Evil Midget Psychopath Anthony Fauci Admits That The "Six Foot Distancing" Rule Just Sort of "Appeared;" Also Claims He Never Bothered Reading the Wuhan Grant Applications</i>

Evil Midget Psychopath Anthony Fauci Admits That The "Six Foot Distancing" Rule Just Sort of "Appeared;" Also Claims He Never Bothered Reading the Wuhan Grant Applications

The six foot distancing "rule" "sort of just appeared" without any scientific basis, the malignant dwarf now admits.

Like 95% of his decrees.

Dr. Anthony Fauci confessed to lawmakers Tuesday that guidelines to keep six feet of separation -- ostensibly to limit the spread of COVID-19 -- "sort of just appeared" without scientific input.
Fauci, 83, revealed to the House Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Pandemic that the "six feet apart" recommendation championed by him and other US public health officials was "likely not based on scientific data," according to Chairman Brad Wenstrup (R-Ohio), who is also a physician.
Schools nationwide remained closed well into the second year of the pandemic as a result of the social distancing guidelines, which were disputed by both research studies and other health officials.
"It never struck me that six feet was particularly sensical in the context of mitigation," Dr. Ashish Jha, the dean of the Brown University School of Public Health who served as President Biden's COVID response coordinator for 15 months, told the New York Times in March 2021.

"I wish the CDC would just come out and say this is not a major issue."
...
A top White House adviser to two presidential administrations, Fauci's transcribed interview before the House COVID panel "revealed systemic failures in our public health system and shed light on serious procedural concerns with our public health authority," according to Wenstrup.
Those "failures" included foisting vaccination mandates on schools and businesses.
"After two days of testimony and 14 hours of questioning, many things became evident. During his interview today, Dr. Fauci claimed that the policies and mandates he promoted may unfortunately increase vaccine hesitancy for years to come," Wenstrup said.
"It is clear that dissenting opinions were often not considered or suppressed completely. Should a future pandemic arise, America's response must be guided by scientific facts and conclusive data."

The goblin-fingered fascist is also benefiting from Selective Advantageous Memory Loss.

Wenstrup also said committee members "remain frustrated with Dr. Fauci's inability to recollect COVID-19 information that is important for our investigation," while "others we have spoken to do recall the facts."
Rep. Michael Cloud (R-Texas), who sits on the panel, said Tuesday night that Fauci had shown an "amazing ability to either forget what happened or then to find ways to shirk any sort of responsibility for the influence that was had," during the two-day affair.
"They wash their hands of any sort of responsibility, saying, 'Oh, those decisions were made by school districts.' But the school districts know, if you don't follow the guidance that's coming out of the federal government, you open yourselves up to lawsuits," Cloud said of Fauci and other US pandemic response officials.

The fake scientist also discards the large number of studies that have proven significant, possibly irreversible learning loss due to the school closings he ordered. Wait, he claims he didn't order them; he just scared the hell out of liberal school administrators and presented false claims about children dying from covid.

Fauci says he doesn't believe in learning loss.

"He says he's still not convinced that there was learning loss -- that in his view, that's still really open for discussion," Cloud also told The Post.

He's a Learning Loss Denier. Will FaceBook deplatform him?

The NY Post reminds us that Fauci explicitly admitted that lying to people to frighten them was a critical part of his strategy of control and domination of the public:

In 2021, Fauci had also said it was "proven that when you make it difficult for people in their lives, they lose their ideological bulls--t, and they get vaccinated."

Here's an example of Fauci lying to the public to force them to do what he wanted them to do:

Another gem from Fauci:

“If you’re vaccinated, you don’t have a risk. And that’s the reason why we say it’s as simple as black and white. You’re vaccinated, you’re safe. You’re unvaccinated, you’re at risk. Simple as that.”

Also: they never said the jab would prevent… pic.twitter.com/ZHbt2EHMJA
— Viva Frei (@thevivafrei) January 11, 2024

Fauci is also creating a new defense against perjury charges. He repeatedly lied under oath about never having funded gain-of-function research.

Now he's fashioned himself a defense for a future perjury trial -- he now claims that, incredibly, he never even bothered reading the grant applications for viral experimentation which resulted in millions of dollars for gain of function Frankensteining in many labs, particularly the Wuhan lab that created covid-19.

Though he doesn't expressly say this now, the implication is clear: "Hey, when I lied about not funding gain of function, I wasn't lying, because I never even read the grant applications. I didn't knowingly know I was funding gain of function research because I'm a lazy incompetent who doesn't bother reading the descriptions of the research I'm steering millions in taxpayer monies to."

No intent!, whispers James Comey.

The Victory Girls.

Quoting National Review:

During the first seven hours of the transcribed interview on Monday, Fauci repeatedly defended his previous Senate testimony in which he claimed the National Institutes of Health did not fund gain-of-function research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology in China, which was conducting research on bat coronaviruses that may have produced the Covid pandemic. Similar to his hearing exchanges with Senator Rand Paul (R., Ky.), Fauci disagreed with Congress's definition of "gain-of-function" to avoid admitting that the NIH funded potentially dangerous research that led to the pandemic’s outbreak.
Gain-of-function research refers to making viruses more infectious or deadly for laboratory study.
Fauci also testified that he approved of all foreign and domestic NIAID grants without reviewing the proposals, and conceded that he was unable to confirm whether NIAID has any procedure in place to conduct oversight of the foreign labs they fund.

That's not a "concession," that's a future defense at a perjury trial -- he's claiming there were no procedures which would inform him if a lab was conducting gain-of-function research, furthering his Nazi-like "I know nossing, nossing at all" defense.

Also from that National Review article: while Fauci was lying and perjuring himself insisting that the Wuhan lab he funded was not conducting gain-of-function research, he admitted in a private email that it was a "fact" that Wuhan was doing GOF research.

Confronted with this, Fauci now says he Made a Freudian Typo and that he was wrong at the time to say it was a "fact."

Furthermore, when presented with his February 2020 email to NIH officials demonstrating he was then aware of the gain-of-function research taking place in China, Fauci backpedaled, saying he should not have stated the Wuhan lab's involvement as "fact" in the email.

"The suspicion was heightened by the fact that scientists in Wuhan University are known to have been working on gain of function experiments to determine the molecular mechanisms associated with bat viruses adapting to human infection, and the outbreak originated in Wuhan," Fauci wrote in the February 2020 email to his colleagues.

All of this is creating some blowback for Donald Trump, who effectively made Anthony Fauci the President-in-Fact for a year, and later bestowed upon him a Presidential Commendation for his great service.

Donald Trump is frank and forthright in admitting that if there were any mistakes made, they were all made by (checks notes) Ron "DeSanctimonious."

Not only did Trump give Fauci the White House for a year, he also gave him a Presidential Commendation on his last day in office. https://t.co/SUO8HVk1rw
— Jeremy Redfern (@JeremyRedfernFL) January 11, 2024

DESANTIS responds to the "massive gaslighting" on COVID from Trump — the same guy who gave Anthony Fauci a Presidential Commendation:

“This was the number one crisis he faced as president and he chose to defer to Anthony Fauci. They were running commercials in October of 2020… pic.twitter.com/NRdN8zmYEQ
— DeSantis War Room 🐊 (@DeSantisWarRoom) January 11, 2024

Ian Miller
@ianmSC

This isn't even in the same universe as the truth
Fauci repeatedly, forcefully criticized DeSantis in 2020 for reopening Florida before Fauci wanted him to. If anything, DeSantis became Fauci's worst enemy because Florida proved him wrong about masks, lockdowns and schools

I know people make excuses for Trump's cowardly, weakling failure to step up to Fauci and Brix and tell them know. The country was in a panic, they'll say. He's a germophobe. Fauci and Brix "played" him.

(The very stable genius seems to get "played" by leftwingers an awful lot.)

Okay, suppose I excuse his Chicken Little act in 2020-2021:

What excuses his shameless, remorseless lying now?

Is just everything acceptable if Trump does it?

Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace at 12:10 PM

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1 3

Posted by: Skip at January 11, 2024 12:10 PM (fwDg9)

2 Why would he need to read the grants?

He is science.

He just absorbs their points by osmosis.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 11, 2024 12:11 PM (GBKbO)

3 I'm here.
I have a miserable cold. (is there any other kind?)

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at January 11, 2024 12:12 PM (t/2Uw)

4 “If you’re vaccinated, you don’t have a risk. And that’s the reason why we say it’s as simple as black and white. You’re vaccinated, you’re safe. You’re unvaccinated, you’re at risk. Simple as that.”

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"I remember this quote."
-DU, 0.0% probability

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 11, 2024 12:12 PM (GBKbO)

5 And CDC "guidelines" became absolute ironclad requirements.

Posted by: Eff 'em at January 11, 2024 12:12 PM (NBVIP)

6 Nothing ever is a Leftists fault
He should be tried for crimes against humanity

Posted by: Skip at January 11, 2024 12:13 PM (fwDg9)

7 It pisses me off when anyone tries to rewrite history that I remember. Fauci, Trump, whoever.

Posted by: huerfano at January 11, 2024 12:13 PM (Q4KYm)

8 Fauci is also creating a new defense against perjury charges. He repeatedly lied under oath about never having funded gain-of-function research.

Now he's fashioned himself a defense for a future perjury trial -- he now claims that, incredibly, he never even bothered reading the grant applications for viral experimentation which resulted in millions of dollars for gain of function Frankensteining in many labs, particularly the Wuhan lab that created covid-19.

Though he doesn't expressly say this now, the implication is clear: "Hey, when I lied about not funding gain of function, I wasn't lying, because I never even read the grant applications. I didn't knowingly know I was funding gain of function research because I'm a lazy incompetent who doesn't bother reading the descriptions of the research I'm steering millions in taxpayer monies to."

Yup. It's the equivalent of a Clintonian "I don't recall".

Posted by: Archimedes at January 11, 2024 12:13 PM (CsUN+)

9 And CDC "guidelines" became absolute ironclad requirements.
Posted by: Eff 'em

SEC "guidance" has entered the chat.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 11, 2024 12:13 PM (9yWhg)

10 Why would he need to read the grants?

He is science.

He just absorbs their points by osmosis.

I larfed.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 11, 2024 12:14 PM (CsUN+)

11 I know people make excuses for Trump's cowardly, weakling failure to step up to Fauci and Brix and tell them know. The country was in a panic, they'll say. He's a germophobe. Fauci and Brix "played" him.

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There was one good executive politician on covid, and that was Kristi Noem.

And Kristi Noem sucks.

Everyone else is different grades of terrible. Both Trump and DeSantis were terrible on covid.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 11, 2024 12:14 PM (GBKbO)

12 Working these past nights in a medical facility, still see the 6 fert distance stickers on floors around the place

Posted by: Skip at January 11, 2024 12:14 PM (fwDg9)

13 America's Doctor, ladies and gentlemen!

Posted by: Dr. T at January 11, 2024 12:14 PM (NSXXH)

14 Not only did Trump give Fauci the White House for a year, he also gave him a Presidential Commendation on his last day in office.

One of the many reasons I will not vote for Trump again.

PS: He appeared again last night on Fox's Townhall with Baier and the other tramp. Fox. News.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at January 11, 2024 12:15 PM (eYF7X)

15 Fauci, 83, revealed to the House Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Pandemic that the "six feet apart" recommendation championed by him and other US public health officials was "likely not based on scientific data," according to Chairman Brad Wenstrup (R-Ohio), who is also a physician.
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This isn't something you can hedge and dismiss with passive voice. It was "based on scientific data" or it wasn't (it wasn't, of course). There is no "likely." Those rules came from somewhere, too - they didn't just spring out from aether.

Pull the other one, Fauci. It jingles.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 11, 2024 12:15 PM (Zp1WF)

16 Fauci, 83, revealed to the House Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Pandemic that the "six feet apart" recommendation championed by him and other US public health officials was "likely not based on scientific data," according to Chairman Brad Wenstrup (R-Ohio), who is also a physician.

--

That can't possibly be! He got on the media circuit to specifically say, "I am the science." Malignant little turd.

Posted by: Lady in Black at January 11, 2024 12:15 PM (mupln)

17 Or as Rush called her: Team Scarf.

Posted by: I miss Rush at January 11, 2024 12:15 PM (NBVIP)

18 I'll say what I've said before. Fauci will be remembered as one of the 21st century's greatest monsters once it's all said and done. There're other shoes to drop on this infamous toad, most of which will be protected information until Hell finally calls him home.

Posted by: Citizen Cake at January 11, 2024 12:16 PM (CwhoI)

19 The "Six Foot Distancing" Rule Just Sort of "Appeared;"

Like a skidmark.

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in solidarity with the struggle to maintain Moron standards at January 11, 2024 12:16 PM (VS1In)

20 The six foot distancing "rule" "sort of just appeared" without any scientific basis, the malignant dwarf now admits.

Like 95% of his decrees.

There never was any basis for any of the COVID crap

Posted by: vic at January 11, 2024 12:16 PM (A5THL)

21 Fauci needs chained to a truck bumper and drug down a gravel road for 5 miles.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at January 11, 2024 12:16 PM (R4t5M)

22 Creepy little Gnome... My apologies to Gnomes

Posted by: It's me donna at January 11, 2024 12:16 PM (n2vyf)

23 >>>
Everyone else is different grades of terrible. Both Trump and DeSantis were terrible on covid.

LOL. DeSantis "closed florida" for two fucking weeks BASED ON THE REPRESENTATIONS AND GUIDANCE GIVEN TO HIM BY TRUMP.

When he reopened it, Trump called him and told him to close down again.

But yes, TJM, they were both equally bad on covid.

Posted by: ace at January 11, 2024 12:16 PM (KRtlO)

24 I've read grant proposals for a living. The idea that you would say "I approved them without reading them" is outright fraud. You have to rank them, comment on pros and cons, and ultimately justify why you selected particular grants, so as to avoid favoritism.

I'm not sure Fauci has thought this through.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 11, 2024 12:16 PM (CsUN+)

25 There are still people getting boosters every 6 months thinking this is keeping them from getting a severe case.
The stupidity knows no bounds.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at January 11, 2024 12:16 PM (t/2Uw)

26 Fauci needs a free helicopter ride.

Posted by: Justin Pinochet Castreau at January 11, 2024 12:16 PM (V8yYW)

27 Is there a law against 'gaslighting'? Slippery POS.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at January 11, 2024 12:17 PM (fs1hN)

28 >>>Is just everything acceptable if Trump does it?

"But he fights!"

Posted by: Dr. T at January 11, 2024 12:17 PM (bhRsz)

29 To be honest, I did not mind the six foot rule. I hate it when people stand too close to me in line.

Everything else about the Wu-flu bullshit sucks.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Disgustipated at January 11, 2024 12:17 PM (T/Lqj)

30 23 LOL. DeSantis "closed florida" for two fucking weeks BASED ON THE REPRESENTATIONS AND GUIDANCE GIVEN TO HIM BY TRUMP.

When he reopened it, Trump called him and told him to close down again.

But yes, TJM, they were both equally bad on covid.
Posted by: ace at January 11, 2024 12:16 PM (KRtlO)

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I never said they were equally bad.

Shutting down for even a little bit is terrible. It's not good.

Also, it was 2 months, not 2 weeks. From April to June.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 11, 2024 12:17 PM (GBKbO)

31 Malignant little turd.

Used to date her.

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in solidarity with the struggle to maintain Moron standards at January 11, 2024 12:18 PM (VS1In)

32 So, you loves you some Bidem? Mmmmm. Mmm?

Posted by: 80's music fan at January 11, 2024 12:18 PM (as3uC)

33 16 Fauci, 83, revealed to the House Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Pandemic that the "six feet apart" recommendation championed by him and other US public health officials was "likely not based on scientific data," according to Chairman Brad Wenstrup (R-Ohio), who is also a physician.

So we all had to suffer the little floor stickers in the few stores they allowed open while wearing masks that were not only useless but actually dangerous

Posted by: It's me donna at January 11, 2024 12:18 PM (n2vyf)

34 Everyone else is different grades of terrible. Both Trump and DeSantis were terrible on covid.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 11, 2024 12:14 PM (GBKbO)

Sure, Jan.

Posted by: Dr. T at January 11, 2024 12:18 PM (bhRsz)

35 Our government is filled with this level of competence.

Posted by: Diogenes at January 11, 2024 12:18 PM (W/lyH)

36 Working these past nights in a medical facility, still see the 6 fert distance stickers on floors around the place
Posted by: Skip at January 11, 2024

***
They're still around, along with the one-way traffic signs, in some grocery stores and Dollar Trees here.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 11, 2024 12:18 PM (J2vNu)

37 "It is clear that dissenting opinions were often not considered or suppressed completely. Should a future pandemic arise, America's response must be guided by scientific facts and conclusive data."
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Whoa, whoa, whoa. Pump the brakes.

I was assured - assured in every venue, in every every news story, in every advertisement, in every policy, in every speech, in every memo, in every PA broadcast at the supermarket, on countless placards, on lighted highway signs and everything else you can imagine - that the approach to COVID management and the pandemic response was guided by scientific facts and conclusive data.

I and countless others were assured of this even at the point of the gun, for having the temerity to question whether it was true or if the data were actually conclusive.

And now this rat-fucker says we have to do it in the *future?* What about the past, motherfucker? You said this is what you were already doing, doing to exclusion, and doing with perfection. If you were lying about this being the way it works *last* time - and you apparently were, even by your own admission - why the hell should I believe you *next* time?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 11, 2024 12:19 PM (Zp1WF)

38 I'm just glad Fauci didn't send everyone forth in seach forca shrubbery.

Posted by: Minuteman at January 11, 2024 12:19 PM (CH4qO)

39 A Freudian Speako

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 11, 2024 12:19 PM (63Dwl)

40 Is just everything acceptable if Trump does it?

*Suspects a trap. Looks for a trap. Finds no trap.*

Why yes, yes it is. Anything else is disloyalty.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 11, 2024 12:19 PM (CsUN+)

41 DeSantis signed multiple executive orders forbidding mayors and corporations from implementing mask and vaccine mandate.

Trump kept the team in place that was telling mayors to implmement masks and vaccine mandates. Though he did whine about having to do so on Twitter.

I mean, they're practically identical!!!

Posted by: ace at January 11, 2024 12:19 PM (KRtlO)

42 34 Everyone else is different grades of terrible. Both Trump and DeSantis were terrible on covid.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 11, 2024 12:14 PM (GBKbO)

Sure, Jan.
Posted by: Dr. T at January 11, 2024 12:18 PM (bhRsz)

=======

"I only shut down my state for two months," is terrible, antithetical to freedom, and all around bad.

That it was less bad than many others doesn't make it good or not terrible.

Covid was a giant wash across the political spectrum because almost no one was actually good about it. They were just different grades of terrible.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 11, 2024 12:19 PM (GBKbO)

43 KNOW! I said. KNOW, KNOW, KNOW!!

I won't take that vaccine. Can't you take KNOW for an answer?

Posted by: Mr Gaga at January 11, 2024 12:19 PM (KiBMU)

44 >>>the policies and mandates he promoted may unfortunately increase vaccine hesitancy for years to come

Ya think?
#NeverAgain
#MyBodyNotYourVaccine

Posted by: m at January 11, 2024 12:19 PM (mn2bz)

45 So we all had to suffer the little floor stickers in the few stores they allowed open while wearing masks that were not only useless but actually dangerous
Posted by: It's me donna

I loved ostentatiously going in the opposite direction of the arrows on the floor.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 11, 2024 12:19 PM (9yWhg)

46 18 I'll say what I've said before. Fauci will be remembered as one of the 21st century's greatest monsters once it's all said and done. There're other shoes to drop on this infamous toad, most of which will be protected information until Hell finally calls him home.
____

I would like to think so, but I think instead there will be statues made of him to replace the ones of Christopher Columbus that have, or will be soon, removed.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at January 11, 2024 12:20 PM (fs1hN)

47 DeSantis should have used Covid to differentiate his personality from Trump's. He didn't and in fact has done little on any issue. I still think DeSantis is running for prez because the DS told him to in order to separate him from Florida voters.
Florida and Texas will be blue by 28.

Posted by: Jamaica at January 11, 2024 12:20 PM (7dc2a)

48 The fake scientist also discards the large number of studies that have proven significant, possibly irreversible learning loss due to the school closings he ordered. Wait, he claims he didn't order them; he just scared the hell out of liberal school administrators and presented false claims about children dying from covid.
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The CDC positioned itself as the menacing force saying, "do it or else." Fuck him.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 11, 2024 12:20 PM (Zp1WF)

49 41 I mean, they're practically identical!!!
Posted by: ace at January 11, 2024 12:19 PM (KRtlO)

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"different grades of terrible" =/= "same grade of terrible"

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 11, 2024 12:20 PM (GBKbO)

50 "There was one good executive politician on covid, and that was Kristi Noem."

Noem attempted to get SD House Bill 1297 passed, for extensive lockdown authority without statehouse oversight.

The only reason SD didn't have lockdowns was their representatives, not their governor.

How quickly we forget.

DeSantis > Noem > Trump.

Posted by: Fringe at January 11, 2024 12:20 PM (XUbQl)

51 Why is Fauci admitting this now?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 11, 2024 12:20 PM (Ki//m)

52 America's Doctor, ladies and gentlemen!

Take him out to the ballgame!

Posted by: That guy who always sings... at January 11, 2024 12:20 PM (V8he0)

53 Didn't some grade school kid come up with the six foot rule?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 11, 2024 12:20 PM (63Dwl)

54 Willowed:

Ackshewallee and weirdly, a goodly number of Jewish folk, some who are whiter than an Icelandic-Irish hybrid red head, do not consider themselves "white" but a different race entirely.

===

I think you are confusing "race" with "ethnicity".
Posted by: runner at January 11, 2024 12:10 PM (V13WU)

Nope. Not at all. That' was not the argument.

He was arguing for race. Jews were a different race entirely. That's why he eventually was making Hitlerian arguments.

I was arguing for ethnicity.

Posted by: naturalfake at January 11, 2024 12:20 PM (nFnyb)

55 >>>Florida proved [Fauci] wrong about masks, lockdowns and schools

#NeverForget

Posted by: m at January 11, 2024 12:21 PM (mn2bz)

56 50 Noem attempted to get SD House Bill 1297 passed, for extensive lockdown authority without statehouse oversight.

The only reason SD didn't have lockdowns was their representatives, not their governor.

How quickly we forget.

DeSantis > Noem > Trump.
Posted by: Fringe at January 11, 2024 12:20 PM (XUbQl)

=======

At the very least, one can say she tried to do it "right", and then accepted the will of the legislature.

Still, she sucks. I'd never vote for her for anything.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 11, 2024 12:21 PM (GBKbO)

57 What could "just sort of appeared: mean. Did he find a sticky note on his bathroom mirror?

Posted by: Northernlurker at January 11, 2024 12:21 PM (NvyWM)

58 "Gain-of-function research refers to making viruses more infectious or deadly for ~~laboratory study~~ to kill/control people."

moar bettah

Posted by: BignJames at January 11, 2024 12:21 PM (AwYPR)

59 axe

We need many more governors like DeSantos, and SMOD for either US President or Chairperson of the DC Council.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at January 11, 2024 12:21 PM (u82oZ)

60 40 Is just everything acceptable if Trump does it?

*Suspects a trap. Looks for a trap. Finds no trap.*

Why yes, yes it is. Anything else is disloyalty.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 11, 2024 12:19 PM (CsUN+)

Okay.... I'm gonna ask... It looks likely that Trump will get the nod... Those here who hate him are you just not gonna vote or vote for Biden which is basically the same thing... I say this as a person who did not want Trump as a Candidate.

Posted by: It's me donna at January 11, 2024 12:21 PM (n2vyf)

61 There're other shoes to drop on this infamous toad

Infamous Toad would be an excellent name for a punk band.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 11, 2024 12:21 PM (CsUN+)

62 51 Why is Fauci admitting this now?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 11, 2024 12:20 PM (Ki//m)

Can't touch him. Seeing as the rules of the game are that he is no longer in governmental service.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at January 11, 2024 12:21 PM (N39Ws)

63 Gee, I'd hate to see Fauci suffer permanent memory loss.

Would reeeeeallly hate that.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at January 11, 2024 12:21 PM (wtvvX)

64 >>>Working these past nights in a medical facility, still see the 6 feet distance stickers on floors

Our local Walmart still has those stupid arrows so folks wouldn't walk past each other in a lane. Remember that?

Posted by: Citizen Cake at January 11, 2024 12:21 PM (CwhoI)

65 "The country was in a panic, they'll say."

The USA went batshit nuts in 2020.

Posted by: Can't Make gp's Shimmy Shake on Tea at January 11, 2024 12:21 PM (MvF+J)

66 Didn't some grade school kid come up with the six foot rule?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.

Yep

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at January 11, 2024 12:21 PM (R4t5M)

67 Just keep getting booster shots in this human medical experiment

Posted by: Skip at January 11, 2024 12:22 PM (fwDg9)

68 An economic indicator that Morons will appreciate - a stripper posted on Portland Reddit that business is way, way down.

(Portland has been a center for strip clubs for decades, ever since the Oregon supreme court held that women had a right under the Oregon constitution to get completely naked for money.)

A number of other Portland strippers chimed in agreeing with the poster that business was very bad.

People have already created a "Stripper Index" - the idea being that if you are looking for completely discretionary purchases, strip clubs are high on the list, so it serves as an early warning indicator that the economy is going south and people are being forced to economize.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at January 11, 2024 12:22 PM (YAtuc)

69 65 "The country was in a panic, they'll say."

The USA went batshit nuts in 2020.
Posted by: Can't Make gp's Shimmy Shake on Tea at January 11, 2024 12:21 PM (MvF+J)

NOT ALL OF US

Posted by: m at January 11, 2024 12:22 PM (mn2bz)

70 Federal Grants are rife with rape, deceit, lies, made up statistics, fraud, theft and rape.

Another reason to abolish the federal government.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 11, 2024 12:22 PM (B/nLP)

71 Wear a mask, they're kind of patriotic.

Who said this?

Hint: http://tinyurl.com/2h99mh96

Posted by: Maj. Healey at January 11, 2024 12:22 PM (eYF7X)

72 Afternoon Ace. Still can't believe anyone, including Trump , listened to that bureaucratic tyrant Fauci. Go back and look at his response to AIDS in the early 80s . Everything had to go through Big Pharma, including using very toxic drugs. The little worm didn't have the guts to tell the gay community to "knock it off". Why, because he's a leftist bureaucratic worm

Posted by: Smell the Glove at January 11, 2024 12:22 PM (Yem6A)

73 Black armbands in Tuscaloosa. Saint Nick gonna retire.

Posted by: Oh, no! Anyway... at January 11, 2024 12:22 PM (NBVIP)

74 65 "The country was in a panic, they'll say."

The USA went batshit nuts in 2020.
Posted by: Can't Make gp's Shimmy Shake on Tea at January 11, 2024 12:21 PM (MvF+J)

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The media ginned up a panic. Most of the political class eagerly participated, most of the rest caved.

The response to covid was the single greatest political failure in modern history, and it was a raging success in desecrating the world's freedoms.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 11, 2024 12:23 PM (GBKbO)

75 "different grades of terrible" =/= "same grade of terrible"
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, wa

D+, D- and F are not the same grades

Posted by: BruceWayne at January 11, 2024 12:23 PM (CIS44)

76 I gotta admit, can't you, that when this Wuhan shit hit the fan, the way the press blew it up like it was fucking apocalyptic, I thought, "we're all gonna die?"

And didn't you think it wonderful for PDT to elevate Dr Fauci and Deborah Birx to that podium to tell us all what do do?

Posted by: Mr Gaga at January 11, 2024 12:23 PM (KiBMU)

77 61 There're other shoes to drop on this infamous toad

Infamous Toad would be an excellent name for a punk band.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 11, 2024 12:21 PM (CsUN+)

In Fauci's case, the better band name would be Toad the Wet Market.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at January 11, 2024 12:23 PM (wtvvX)

78 63 Gee, I'd hate to see Fauci suffer permanent memory loss.

Would reeeeeallly hate that.
Posted by: Tex Lovera at January 11, 2024 12:21 PM (wtvvX)

As the result of an incident with a tire iron?

Posted by: m at January 11, 2024 12:23 PM (mn2bz)

79 "Evil Midget Psychopath Anthony Fauci"

I'm ready to just steer into the skid. Let's name schools after him. I want statues of him erected at universities around the country. We can frickn' rename Halloween to Fauci Fun Day and everyone will wear masks and get free shit.

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at January 11, 2024 12:23 PM (z+89e)

80 "I only shut down my state for two months," is terrible, antithetical to freedom, and all around bad.

That it was less bad than many others doesn't make it good or not terrible.

Bull.

Granted that no state should have shut down in the first place, there is a qualitative difference between looking at the early results and deciding "okay, this isn't working, it was a mistake, we're going to start opening back up," and doubling down and maintaining the lockdowns for months and months, and also honoring the malignant elf on your way out of office.

Posted by: Dr. T at January 11, 2024 12:23 PM (bhRsz)

81 So we all had to suffer the little floor stickers in the few stores they allowed open while wearing masks that were not only useless but actually dangerous
___

I still am astounded that many believed that making aisles one-way only would help prevent transmission. I'd like to think most though figured that, if this idiocy means I can still go shopping, I'll put up with it.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at January 11, 2024 12:23 PM (fs1hN)

82 COVID was the 21st Century equivalent of the 1600s Dancing Mania.

How can we escape Earth to the stars if we can not be rational?

axe = ace. The finger responsible has been admonished.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at January 11, 2024 12:23 PM (u82oZ)

83 Still, she sucks. I'd never vote for her for anything.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

Wasn't she a beauty queen? I would've voted for her in that contest.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 11, 2024 12:24 PM (9yWhg)

84 65 "The country was in a panic, they'll say."

The USA went batshit nuts in 2020.
Posted by: Can't Make gp's Shimmy Shake on Tea at January 11, 2024 12:21 PM (MvF+J)

NOT ALL OF US

True. Some of us have been batshit nuts for decades.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at January 11, 2024 12:24 PM (dZVON)

85 According to this link, DeSantis closed FL on April 1, and largely reopened it on April 29.

http://tinyurl.com/5n6uzpdz

Posted by: Archimedes at January 11, 2024 12:24 PM (CsUN+)

86 Though he doesn't expressly say this now, the implication is clear: "Hey, when I lied about not funding gain of function, I wasn't lying, because I never even read the grant applications. I didn't knowingly know I was funding gain of function research because I'm a lazy incompetent who doesn't bother reading the descriptions of the research I'm steering millions in taxpayer monies to."
++++
And this is a splendid lie because it isn't exactly a lie. Here's how it works.

:: ring ring ::
Daszak: Hey, Tony, how's it hanging? Remember that thing we talked about doing in China with SARS? Well, I wanted to give you a heads-up that NIAID just got a proposal from EcoHealth to go do it. It'll cost a few million but we have everything lined up and ready to go!
Fauci: Wow, great! Thanks for the heads-up, Pete. I'll be sure to expedite it. Let me know next time you're in town. I found a great new noodle shop and you're just gonna love it.
Daszak: Sounds good, partner. Thanks, and see ya soon!
:: Fauci signs the grant form ::

See? He *didn't* read the grant. He knew who it was from and what was in it and what it did and how much money it would cost, but he didn't actually *read* it.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 11, 2024 12:24 PM (Zp1WF)

87 Wear the damn mask!

Posted by: Maryland Governor Larry Hogan at January 11, 2024 12:24 PM (NBVIP)

88 As the result of an incident with a tire iron?

Posted by: m at January 11, 2024 12:23 PM (mn2bz)

Any blunt object would be horrible.

Would really hate that.

Really.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at January 11, 2024 12:24 PM (wtvvX)

89 Trump : ""The vaccine is one of the greatest achievements of mankind," in interview with Candace Owens in December 2021.

Posted by: runner at January 11, 2024 12:24 PM (V13WU)

90 Okay.... I'm gonna ask... It looks likely that Trump will get the nod... Those here who hate him are you just not gonna vote or vote for Biden which is basically the same thing... I say this as a person who did not want Trump as a Candidate.
Posted by: It's me donna

If Haley is his VP I will not vote for him. But my vote doesnt matter in my state. If i was in, say, GA id prly hold my nose and do it. and then take a bath in lye afterward.

Posted by: BruceWayne at January 11, 2024 12:24 PM (CIS44)

91 Black armbands in Tuscaloosa. Saint Nick gonna retire.
Posted by: Oh, no! Anyway... at January 11, 2024 12:22 PM (NBVIP)

Better hope the new coach doesn't wreck the Ferrari.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at January 11, 2024 12:24 PM (R4t5M)

92 I kept telling everyone I knew that they pulled that 6 ft. BS out of their ass. Thats one of the reasons I never believed their BS. There was no scientific reasoning in the part of Fauci and the CDC. When I talked to one of my friends at my old job at the lab, I asked how they were testing for the different variants. He laughed and said there were no clinical tests for that. It was all a lie.

Posted by: Megthered at January 11, 2024 12:24 PM (mkUGq)

93 80 Bull.

Granted that no state should have shut down in the first place, there is a qualitative difference between looking at the early results and deciding "okay, this isn't working, it was a mistake, we're going to start opening back up," and doubling down and maintaining the lockdowns for months and months, and also honoring the malignant elf on your way out of office.
Posted by: Dr. T at January 11, 2024 12:23 PM (bhRsz)

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No bull.

There is no emergency clause to the constitution. "I only violated the constitution a little bit" is terrible.

Less terrible that Cuomo in NY, but still terrible.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 11, 2024 12:24 PM (GBKbO)

94
It will be nice when he's safely 6 feet away from us permanently.

Posted by: torabora at January 11, 2024 12:24 PM (OUiUM)

95 That's not a "concession," that's a future defense at a perjury trial -- he's claiming there were no procedures which would inform him if a lab was conducting gain-of-function research, furthering his Nazi-like "I know nossing, nossing at all" defense.
++++
Assuming a legitimate and honest legal system that we most assuredly don't have, wouldn't this be some kind of official dereliction of duty?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 11, 2024 12:25 PM (Zp1WF)

96 Everyone else is different grades of terrible. Both Trump and DeSantis were terrible on covid.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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While being worthless or worse on most issues, GA Gov Kemp actually came off better regarding Covid than either Trump or DeSantis.

That being said, most of the actions regarding Covid were state driven under Trump and not nationalized until Biden's junta took power.

The vaxx mandates and other very coercive health measures requiring all sorts of vindictive policies toward refusals took place then.

Covid response was not Trump's finest hour but in fairness, the impeachment charades were a distraction and nat sec was unsure whether it was a biological attack or a lab leak of a biological attack virus for a couple of months. Early 2020 moved in January from concern, to February's warning from the med folks, to full blown panic in March of 2020 with shutdowns, etc. What made it worse is that effectively the Chinese lied, distorted treatments, and used the opportunity to spread the disease world wide. The US public health community nationwide was also incapable and unready at its primary task leading to lockdowns.

Posted by: whig at January 11, 2024 12:25 PM (tllOr)

97 Trump : ""I came up with a vaccine, with three vaccines all are very, very good".

Posted by: runner at January 11, 2024 12:25 PM (V13WU)

98 We're supposed to back Trump b/c he's our martyr, not b/c he can win or even do/believe stuff we want anymore.

Some of us do back him for that reason alone. Some of us don't, and figure he better prove he can win primaries state by state and has a ground game to win, b/c he didn't have one in 2020.

Posted by: Nova Local at January 11, 2024 12:25 PM (exHjb)

99 Almost lunchtime.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 11, 2024 12:25 PM (J2vNu)

100
People have already created a "Stripper Index" - the idea being that if you are looking for completely discretionary purchases, strip clubs are high on the list, so it serves as an early warning indicator that the economy is going south and people are being forced to economize.
Posted by: The ARC of History!

First, they came for the titty bars.

Posted by: BifBewalski at January 11, 2024 12:25 PM (Lha1B)

101 Dr. T

Very good point.

Mid-course guidance as a policy tool has been lost.
We would change welfare, energy regulations and many, many more if that tool is used.

But it takes power away from the sociopaths in charge.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at January 11, 2024 12:26 PM (u82oZ)

102 > DeSantis signed multiple executive orders forbidding mayors and corporations from implementing mask and vaccine mandate.

It bothers me that Trump supporters have been trying for over a year now to rewrite history. They keep saying that DeSantis locked down as hard as anyone else and that he's a lying liar when he says he fought any of the "recommendations" and "guidelines" coming from Fauci's burp hole.

Posted by: bonhomme at January 11, 2024 12:26 PM (Odg76)

103 Okay.... I'm gonna ask... It looks likely that Trump will get the nod... Those here who hate him are you just not gonna vote or vote for Biden which is basically the same thing... I say this as a person who did not want Trump as a Candidate.

Ever since I expressed a preference for DeS more than a hear ago, I've been very clear that if Trump were the nom, he'd have my vote. There are quite a few NTers who insist (or at least insisted) that they would only vote for Trump.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 11, 2024 12:26 PM (CsUN+)

104 Trump : "The ones that get very sick and go to the hospital are the ones that don't do the vaccine, but it's still their choice," he said. "And if you take the vaccine you're protected, the results of the vaccine are good."

Posted by: runner at January 11, 2024 12:26 PM (V13WU)

105 If Haley is his VP I will not vote for him. But my vote doesnt matter in my state. If i was in, say, GA id prly hold my nose and do it. and then take a bath in lye afterward.
Posted by: BruceWayne at January 11, 2024 12:24 PM (CIS44)

I agree on Haley but like you I have the "luxury" of my vote not counting in this State... That said I too would vote for Trump if I were in a State that my vote counted

Posted by: It's me donna at January 11, 2024 12:26 PM (n2vyf)

106 102 It bothers me that Trump supporters have been trying for over a year now to rewrite history. They keep saying that DeSantis locked down as hard as anyone else and that he's a lying liar when he says he fought any of the "recommendations" and "guidelines" coming from Fauci's burp hole.
Posted by: bonhomme at January 11, 2024 12:26 PM (Odg76)

========

After those first 2 months, DeSantis was very good.

Those first 2 months were terrible, though.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 11, 2024 12:26 PM (GBKbO)

107 At our grocery stores the normies realized as long as we were going backwards down the wrong aisle with our carriage we were good.

Posted by: Jaimo at January 11, 2024 12:26 PM (DBrN4)

108 91 Black armbands in Tuscaloosa. Saint Nick gonna retire.
Posted by: Oh, no! Anyway... at January 11, 2024 12:22 PM (NBVIP)

Better hope the new coach doesn't wreck the Ferrari.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at January 11, 2024 12:24 PM (R4t5M)

More like a Buick Grand National

Posted by: Tex Lovera at January 11, 2024 12:26 PM (wtvvX)

109 So who put Fauci in charge (and kept him there )after he admitted to lying about things like masks?

Who pinned a medal on him?

I feel like 99% of our problems were Trump causing the problem. But he sure was good about complaining about these people later.

Posted by: Wireless at January 11, 2024 12:27 PM (29cxv)

110 >>> Okay.... I'm gonna ask... It looks likely that Trump will get the nod... Those here who hate him are you just not gonna vote or vote for Biden which is basically the same thing... I say this as a person who did not want Trump as a Candidate.

I feel the same way about Trump as a do about Disney and Bud Light. They all have repeatedly told me they do not want me as customers, do not respect my values, and have arrogantly attacked me when I offered fair criticism of them.

So, I do not support any of them. Period.

If Trump loses -- which he will -- that's his fault, not mine. I am not required to support a scumbag. If a scumbag wants my support, he's required to work a little to get it.

Posted by: ace at January 11, 2024 12:27 PM (KRtlO)

111 I did not follow any of the COVID rules.

Posted by: vic at January 11, 2024 12:27 PM (A5THL)

112 Infamous Toad would be an excellent name for a punk band.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 11, 2024 12:21 PM (CsUN+)

In Fauci's case, the better band name would be Toad the Wet Market.

Oh, that's excellent.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 11, 2024 12:27 PM (CsUN+)

113 Eight freaking three.

When did we become a flat out gerontocracy?

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 11, 2024 12:27 PM (9UlRk)

114 Trump : "The ones that get very sick and go to the hospital are the ones that don't do the vaccine, but it's still their choice," he said. "And if you take the vaccine you're protected, the results of the vaccine are good."

Posted by: runner at January 11, 2024 12:26 PM (V13WU)

Yeesh.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at January 11, 2024 12:27 PM (R4t5M)

115 74 It was COVID + fucking BLM horseshit + hatred of Trump, amplified by every organ of the establishment. Perfect storm. It's one of those things you can tell the younguns someday: "You had to be there to understand it."

Posted by: Can't Make gp's Shimmy Shake on Tea at January 11, 2024 12:27 PM (MvF+J)

116 "Donald Trump is frank and forthright in admitting that if there were any mistakes made, they were all made by (checks notes) Ron "DeSanctimonious."

That entire town hall was embarrassing. It was more like reminiscing at the Shady Oaks Rest Home. Trump's answer were all evasive or deflection. But its totes "his turn" because the election was "stolen". He keeps repeating that like it means something. It doesn't.

Also, five minutes of listening to DeSantis or Vivek for that matter, and it's clear what we really need- and it's not Trump.

Posted by: Marcus T at January 11, 2024 12:27 PM (vBMpQ)

117 I expect nothing less from the anal swab aficionado than to pull SCIENCE! out of his ass.

Posted by: ShainS -- Plagiarism is copying without attribution plus white cisheteropatriarchal skin at January 11, 2024 12:27 PM (OxCEH)

118 🤡

Posted by: runner at January 11, 2024 12:27 PM (V13WU)

119 I gotta admit, can't you, that when this Wuhan shit hit the fan, the way the press blew it up like it was fucking apocalyptic, I thought, "we're all gonna die?"
And didn't you think it wonderful for PDT to elevate Dr Fauci and Deborah Birx to that podium to tell us all what do do?
Posted by: Mr Gaga at January 11, 2024 12:23 PM (KiBMU)

I remember the semi trucks that were supposedly lined up to remove the dead bodies from the New Yawk City morgue.

Was untrue of course. I was disappointed.

Still am.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 11, 2024 12:28 PM (B/nLP)

120 87 Wear the damn mask!
Posted by: Maryland Governor Larry Hogan

It's a pandemic of the unvaccinated buddy.

It also helped get me re-elected.

Posted by: Kay Ivey at January 11, 2024 12:28 PM (eYF7X)

121 Any teacher or professor who has had to reteach material to students after a summer break is well aware of "learning loss" that occurs when students don't practice what they've learned.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 11, 2024 12:28 PM (7fElN)

122 That's not a "concession," that's a future defense at a perjury trial -- he's claiming there were no procedures which would inform him if a lab was conducting gain-of-function research, furthering his Nazi-like "I know nossing, nossing at all" defense.
++++
Assuming a legitimate and honest legal system that we most assuredly don't have, wouldn't this be some kind of official dereliction of duty?

Absolutely. See my #24.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 11, 2024 12:28 PM (CsUN+)

123 "As the result of an incident with a tire iron?"

What a terrible thing to say!

Posted by: Just Lily at January 11, 2024 12:28 PM (TVRWN)

124 "sort of appeared" like the mushroom ring under the birch trees in my front yard, or "sort of appeared" like the engine block that wound up in the blackberries behind the local gas station, or "sort of appeared" like the new boat that my nephew forgot to tell his wife he was buying on credit?

Posted by: Kindltot at January 11, 2024 12:28 PM (D7oie)

125 The most incredible part is even though masks, 6 ft rule, inoculations all have proved to be completely ineffective, there are people who will not give them up.
there are people who still think Fauci is a god, Biden is a good president, Hamas was righteous, J6 was an insurrection, Black people deserve reparations, Russia interfered in the 2016 election, Hunter's lap top was Russian disinformation and on and on...
How the hell do you fight that?

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at January 11, 2024 12:28 PM (t/2Uw)

126 > The six foot distancing "rule" "sort of just appeared" without any scientific basis, the malignant dwarf now admits.

Screw your freedoms.

Posted by: Ahnold Maidfucker Schwarzenegger at January 11, 2024 12:28 PM (Odg76)

127 I still find it hard to believe after Fauci's cretinous and near-criminal mishandling of the AIDS crisis -

that he had a job anywhere in the CDC that didn't involve scrubbing out toilets.

I don't blame Trump for not knowing the science cuz he's not a science guy and believed those who were his 'experts", who were feeding him nothing but unscientific bullshit.

There were experts out there who knew the truth and were totally silent cuz, I guess, Orange Man Bad.

They should all lose their jobs, their pensions, and be replaced by retarded spider-monkeys.

Posted by: naturalfake at January 11, 2024 12:28 PM (nFnyb)

128 I can't wait for the Iowa caucus to be over.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 11, 2024 12:28 PM (ZLI7S)

129 116 Also, five minutes of listening to DeSantis or Vivek for that matter, and it's clear what we really need- and it's not Trump.
Posted by: Marcus T at January 11, 2024 12:27 PM (vBMpQ)

========

What we need is a response to 170,000 fake ballots in GA.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 11, 2024 12:28 PM (GBKbO)

130 105 If Haley is his VP I will not vote for him. But my vote doesnt matter in my state. If i was in, say, GA id prly hold my nose and do it. and then take a bath in lye afterward.
Posted by: BruceWayne at January 11, 2024 12:24 PM (CIS44)

I agree on Haley but like you I have the "luxury" of my vote not counting in this State... That said I too would vote for Trump if I were in a State that my vote counted
Posted by: It's me donna at January 11, 2024 12:26 PM (n2vyf)

If Trump is gonna win, ALL 50 STATES MATTER, b/c he can't win if they don't. He has to pull a surprise state, so it doesn't matter his VP - if he wins the nomination, he needs the vote.

Same for any R candidate, although the possible surprise states are different.

Posted by: Nova Local at January 11, 2024 12:28 PM (exHjb)

131 So, I do not support any of them. Period.

If Trump loses -- which he will -- that's his fault, not mine. I am not required to support a scumbag. If a scumbag wants my support, he's required to work a little to get it.
Posted by: ace at January 11, 2024 12:27 PM (KRtlO)

That's an honest answer

Posted by: It's me donna at January 11, 2024 12:29 PM (n2vyf)

132 There is no emergency clause to the constitution. "I only violated the constitution a little bit" is terrible.

Less terrible that Cuomo in NY, but still terrible.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 11, 2024 12:24 PM (GBKbO)

You're not getting it.

If every politician violated the Constitution, and then one of them realized, "Hey, I shouldn't have done that, let's stop doing that," that makes him several orders of magnitude better than the others who kept on with their violations.

But do enjoy your purity spiral.

Posted by: Dr. T at January 11, 2024 12:29 PM (bhRsz)

133 It will be nice when he's safely 6 feet away from us permanently.

Posted by: torabora at January 11, 2024 12:24 PM (OUiUM)

Nice.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at January 11, 2024 12:29 PM (wtvvX)

134 I still am astounded that many believed that making aisles one-way only would help prevent transmission. I'd like to think most though figured that, if this idiocy means I can still go shopping, I'll put up with it.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at January 11, 2024 12:23 PM (fs1hN)

Or wearing masks while going into restaurants. Allowed to take masks off while eating. Like the virus won't spread when you are sitting.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at January 11, 2024 12:29 PM (N39Ws)

135 And it's delightful that this grifting little chicken fucker thinks he's an Expert in education now, too

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 11, 2024 12:29 PM (9UlRk)

136 Absolutely. See my #24.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 11, 2024 12:28 PM (CsUN+)
++++
Ah, okay. Thanks.

But I disagree with your conclusion. Fauci has definitely thought it through. He know that he will never be questioned - much less investigated or charged - as a result of that phony admission.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 11, 2024 12:29 PM (Zp1WF)

137 The six foot rule didn't "just sort of appear"

IIRC there was some CDC or FDA or some other embedded perpetual government official making $200K/year whose 7th grade daughter made up the six foot social distancing silliness for a school science project.

It didn't "just appear."

It was celebrated.

Posted by: Nikki Haley - Poland's color revolution makes sense when you remember Ukraine's 2022 rocket attack at January 11, 2024 12:30 PM (tT7jR)

138 What we need is a response to 170,000 fake ballots in GA.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 11, 2024 12:28 PM (GBKbO)

117% turnout in precincts in Philly.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at January 11, 2024 12:30 PM (R4t5M)

139 I still think Evil Fauci planned this virus to get DJT out

Posted by: Skip at January 11, 2024 12:30 PM (fwDg9)

140 Remember when they sent the hospital ships to New York and LA and they didn't do squat?

Posted by: Good times. Good times. at January 11, 2024 12:30 PM (NBVIP)

141 132 You're not getting it.

If every politician violated the Constitution, and then one of them realized, "Hey, I shouldn't have done that, let's stop doing that," that makes him several orders of magnitude better than the others who kept on with their violations.

But do enjoy your purity spiral.
Posted by: Dr. T at January 11, 2024 12:29 PM (bhRsz)

=======

Oh, and I'm voting for DeSantis in the NC primary.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 11, 2024 12:30 PM (GBKbO)

142 I will personally desecrate his grave when he dies.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at January 11, 2024 12:30 PM (a2BJE)

143 Also, five minutes of listening to DeSantis or Vivek for that matter, and it's clear what we really need- and it's not Trump.
Posted by: Marcus T at January 11, 2024 12:27 PM (vBMpQ)

Yes - too bad those 2 have not announced a team up...

Posted by: Nova Local at January 11, 2024 12:30 PM (exHjb)

144 There was one good executive politician on covid, and that was Kristi Noem.

And Kristi Noem sucks.

Everyone else is different grades of terrible. Both Trump and DeSantis were terrible on covid.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 11, 2024 12:14 PM (GBKbO)

She may indeed suck, but I'd still be MORE than will to giver her private pickleball lessons

Posted by: Doof at January 11, 2024 12:30 PM (dIkcx)

145 The gov and President had no choice when the CDC jumped on the COVID fraud.

Posted by: vic at January 11, 2024 12:30 PM (A5THL)

146
The best thing Trump could do, or could've done, is just admit he was wrong. Or that he was bamboozled.

Going after DeSantis, election or not, is inexcusable.

Ugh.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 11, 2024 12:30 PM (x0n13)

147 The dancing syringes were pretty cool!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 11, 2024 12:30 PM (63Dwl)

148 @96

>>Covid response was not Trump's finest hour but in fairness,

The COVID Op, while probably not initially conceived as a tool to take out Trump, was largely a tool to put Trump in a box and take him out, which it was successful in doing.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 11, 2024 12:30 PM (XV/Pl)

149 138 What we need is a response to 170,000 fake ballots in GA.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 11, 2024 12:28 PM (GBKbO)

117% turnout in precincts in Philly.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at January 11, 2024 12:30 PM (R4t5M)

=======

Probably can fix it with just a better candidate.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 11, 2024 12:30 PM (GBKbO)

150 And it's delightful that this grifting little chicken fucker thinks he's an Expert in education now, too
Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 11, 2024 12:29 PM (9UlRk)
++++
In fairness, DOCTOR Jill Biden is an education expert and he's certainly smarter and more generally knowledgeable than she is...

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 11, 2024 12:30 PM (Zp1WF)

151 When Fauci is dead and buried, I predict a long line of people waiting to piss on his grave.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at January 11, 2024 12:30 PM (N39Ws)

152 He was lying then and he's lying now.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 11, 2024 12:31 PM (xcxpd)

153 Oh, that's excellent.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 11, 2024 12:27 PM (CsUN+)

Take enough swings and you hit the occasional double.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at January 11, 2024 12:31 PM (wtvvX)

154 And didn't you think it wonderful for PDT to elevate Dr Fauci and Deborah Birx to that podium to tell us all what do do?
___

That's a huge negative for me regarding Trump. He was smart enough to hire Dr. Scott Atlas to keep an eye on possible shenanigans from the entrenched bureacrats, but then he ignored him, and let the entrenched bureacrats run amok. Given that one of them was the cause of the pandemic in the first place (assuming it is correct that he funded the gain of function in the crappy Wuhan lab, which seems obvious to me), resulted in absolutely horrible consequences for the US and the world we are still dealing with today. Trump should stop blaming DeSantis and take some responsibility for his crappy judgement on this.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at January 11, 2024 12:31 PM (fs1hN)

155 53 Didn't some grade school kid come up with the six foot rule?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 11, 2024 12:20 PM (63Dwl)

A 6th grader, and her dad (who worked for Rand or some other think tank) wrote a paper for her science fair.

Dad used the super computers at work to enhance the data.

She won the award, we lost our freedoms…

Posted by: browndog remembers all this bullshit at January 11, 2024 12:31 PM (TTAGa)

156 >> Also, five minutes of listening to DeSantis or Vivek for that matter, and it's clear what we really need- and it's not Trump.

They've been speaking for months. Apparently the country disagrees.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 11, 2024 12:31 PM (ZLI7S)

157 When Fauci is dead and buried, I predict a long line of people waiting to piss on his grave.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at January 11, 2024 12:30 PM (N39Ws)
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When Fauci is dead, I predict that an enormous statue of him will be erected on the National Mall.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 11, 2024 12:31 PM (Zp1WF)

158 bonhomme

Trump screwed up mighty with COVID-19 Wuhan.
He did very good in other areas, like foreign policy and in unwrapping the ugly side of our leadership totalitarians.

Give me a name that can do better. Vivek Ramaswamy ? Can we trust him?

Posted by: NaCly Dog at January 11, 2024 12:31 PM (u82oZ)

159 Oh, and I'm voting for DeSantis in the NC primary.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 11, 2024 12:30 PM (GBKbO)

I'm voting for same in VA.

Posted by: Nova Local at January 11, 2024 12:32 PM (exHjb)

160 So, I do not support any of them. Period.

If Trump loses -- which he will -- that's his fault, not mine. I am not required to support a scumbag. If a scumbag wants my support, he's required to work a little to get it.
Posted by: ace at January 11, 2024 12:27 PM (KRtlO)

That's an honest answer

It is. I disagree with it, other than the part about Trump losing. He will lose to whomever replaces Biden on the ticket.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 11, 2024 12:32 PM (CsUN+)

161 I still think Evil Fauci planned this virus to get DJT out
Posted by: Skip at January 11, 2024 12:30 PM (fwDg9)

I think it was planned to keep someone in -- the person who was "supposed" to win in 2016. Plan B was getting the unexpected winner out.

Posted by: Doof at January 11, 2024 12:32 PM (dIkcx)

162 >>> Okay.... I'm gonna ask... It looks likely that Trump will get the nod... Those here who hate him are you just not gonna vote or vote for Biden which is basically the same thing... I say this as a person who did not want Trump as a Candidate.

Oh, I'll vote for Trump. I'll have zero enthusiasm for it, and it'll be a wasted vote, but I've consistently said that I will.

But frankly, your question is a hypothetical. I have a moderate degree of confidence that DeSantis will win Iowa, in which case the whole ball game changes.

Posted by: Dr. T at January 11, 2024 12:32 PM (bhRsz)

163 After those first 2 months, DeSantis was very good.

Those first 2 months were terrible, though.

100%. He screwed up at first. I'm frustrated at all the people who claim those first two months are all that matter. DeSantis stuck his neck way out after that to fight all the Covid insanity, but some people pretend that didn't happen.

Posted by: bonhomme at January 11, 2024 12:32 PM (Odg76)

164 The six foot rule kept schools closed

Posted by: BlackOrchid at January 11, 2024 12:32 PM (fXQuD)

165 140 Remember when they sent the hospital ships to New York and LA and they didn't do squat?

Posted by: Good times. Good times. at January 11, 2024 12:30 PM (NBVIP)

I remember.

Posted by: Pepperidge Farms at January 11, 2024 12:32 PM (wtvvX)

166 why do Iowa caucuses matter, again ??

Posted by: runner at January 11, 2024 12:32 PM (V13WU)

167 Most members of my family (aside from myself) continue to dutifully get the booster jabs each and every time they are recommended. Ironically, some of them seem to have been afflicted with one ailment after another within the past three years. Anecdotal? Yes. Coincidence? Maybe. Enough evidence to keep me as far away from that poison as possible? Definitely.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 11, 2024 12:32 PM (V8he0)

168 147 The dancing syringes were pretty cool!
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 11, 2024 12:30 PM (63Dwl)

"Pfft."

- - Fred Silverman's Dancing "N"

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 11, 2024 12:32 PM (x0n13)

169 Screw your freedoms.
Posted by: Ahnold Maidfucker Schwarzenegger

*fist bump*

Posted by: Howard Stern at January 11, 2024 12:33 PM (eYF7X)

170 159 Oh, and I'm voting for DeSantis in the NC primary.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 11, 2024 12:30 PM (GBKbO)

I'm voting for same in VA.
Posted by: Nova Local at January 11, 2024 12:32 PM (exHjb)

========

I just find most of the anti-Trump or anti-DeSantis narratives to be silly nonsense.

Except on covid. They both sucked.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 11, 2024 12:33 PM (GBKbO)

171 We have the absolute worst leadership in power now or likely to be in power soon than at any time in our history.

May God have mercy on us because these cretins sure won't.

Posted by: Just Lily at January 11, 2024 12:33 PM (TVRWN)

172 I think they just serve to give a boost to this or that candidate. they have little predictive power. Nice to win, but ..not conclusive.

Posted by: runner at January 11, 2024 12:33 PM (V13WU)

173 I'll say what I've said before. Fauci will be remembered as one of the 21st century's greatest monsters once it's all said and done. There're other shoes to drop on this infamous toad, most of which will be protected information until Hell finally calls him home.
Posted by: Citizen Cake at January 11, 2024 12:16 PM (CwhoI)

I am saddened by the fact that Fauci is too old to spend the last 25 years of his life hiding in semi-poverty in a slum in Southern Brazil

Posted by: Kindltot at January 11, 2024 12:33 PM (D7oie)

174 When Fauci is dead, I predict that an enormous statue of him will be erected on the National Mall.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 11, 2024 12:31 PM (Zp1WF)

It will become an annual hajj for the Covidians.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at January 11, 2024 12:33 PM (R4t5M)

175 163 100%. He screwed up at first. I'm frustrated at all the people who claim those first two months are all that matter. DeSantis stuck his neck way out after that to fight all the Covid insanity, but some people pretend that didn't happen.
Posted by: bonhomme at January 11, 2024 12:32 PM (Odg76)

========

Let's be honest: the first impulse is very important.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 11, 2024 12:33 PM (GBKbO)

176 But frankly, your question is a hypothetical. I have a moderate degree of confidence that DeSantis will win Iowa, in which case the whole ball game changes.
Posted by: Dr. T at January 11, 2024 12:32 PM (bhRsz)

From your lips to the one above's ears...I don't even have that confidence, but I am hopeful in the republican voter...

Posted by: Nova Local at January 11, 2024 12:33 PM (exHjb)

177 The best thing Trump could do, or could've done, is just admit he was wrong. Or that he was bamboozled.

Going after DeSantis, election or not, is inexcusable.

Ugh.

Serious question: has Trump EVER apologized or admitted error for anything? Or does he believe he walks on water?

Posted by: Archimedes at January 11, 2024 12:33 PM (CsUN+)

178 When Fauci is dead, I predict that an enormous statue of him will be erected on the National Mall.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 11, 2024 12:31 PM (Zp1WF)

Wait, we puttin' up statues of wypipo again?

Posted by: Pepperidge Farms at January 11, 2024 12:33 PM (wtvvX)

179 This idiotic rule didn't just "appear." It was the product of a lot of thought.

They needed to come up with some bullshit distancing rule to try to keep the proles in line. The distance couldn't have been too great, or it would have shut down even essential businesses. A rule of, say, 12 feet would have been impossible to enforce.

But the distance also couldn't have been too short, or else it would have been exposed as the pointless, useless pile of bullshit that it was.

Hence: 6 feet. A nice, round, easy-to-understand distance that wasn't too long, wasn't too short, it was just right.

Posted by: Elric Blade at January 11, 2024 12:33 PM (iFTx/)

180 The 6 foot distancing was THE linchpin for the whole shutdown.

Businesses were shut down because they could not maintain the 6 feet.
Schools were shut down because they could not ensure 6 feet.
Even outdoor venues were shut down because they couldn't ensure 6 feet spacing.

People were yelled at by strangers for not keeping 6 feet away.
People were banned from social media for merely asking the scientific basis for the 6 foot rule.

And over and over anyone who dared raise questions was shouted down, bullied and harassed--"Trust the Science" was really "Obey Authority ."

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice - Personality Commentator at January 11, 2024 12:33 PM (PFILT)

181 She may indeed suck, but I'd still be MORE than will to giver her private pickleball lessons
Posted by: Doof

Watch it. Didn't you already get in trouble once for certain on-court...behavior?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 11, 2024 12:34 PM (9yWhg)

182 If Trump is gonna win, ALL 50 STATES MATTER, b/c he can't win if they don't. He has to pull a surprise state, so it doesn't matter his VP - if he wins the nomination, he needs the vote.

Same for any R candidate, although the possible surprise states are different.
Posted by: Nova Local a

BULL

the R will win my state by 20+ points. my vote is not necessary

Posted by: BruceWayne at January 11, 2024 12:34 PM (CIS44)

183 Probably can fix it with just a better candidate.
____

Hey, the Dems promised they won't put the cheat in this time if we nominate Haley. So in that sense, she is the better candidate. Plus, think of all the opportunities for grift from foreign wars and immigration policy we'll have.

Posted by: National Review at January 11, 2024 12:34 PM (fs1hN)

184 Oh, and I'm voting for DeSantis in the NC primary.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 11, 2024 12:30 PM (GBKbO)

Yes, I know. You said that some months ago.

That doesn't make your "DeSantis was as bad as Trump on Covid!" claim any less wrong.

Posted by: Dr. T at January 11, 2024 12:34 PM (bhRsz)

185 157 When Fauci is dead and buried, I predict a long line of people waiting to piss on his grave.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at January 11, 2024 12:30 PM (N39Ws)
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When Fauci is dead, I predict that an enormous statue of him will be erected on the National Mall.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 11, 2024 12:31 PM (Zp1WF)

They'll have to give him negroid and female features.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 11, 2024 12:34 PM (x0n13)

186 Trump doesn't feel he has to work for it. He's clearly the front runner and will win the primary. He's basically running in a mode to Ortega his lead in the primary, that include the frat house way he's attacking other candidates, some who have real potential for the future. I talked to someone the other day I think represents the typical Trump primary voter. Their reason was "he deserves it". Digging down a little deeper, it was clear this was a revenge vote for all that happened to Trump. Not about the future, or really about the substantive past, just revenge. I can think of few things more predictably dangerous or destined for failure.

Posted by: Marcus T at January 11, 2024 12:34 PM (vBMpQ)

187 This is large fuck up for Trump. By late 2019, early 2020, he had to know the entire bureaucracy wanted him out.
The real question is, can no single person see how stopping Fauci in his tracks early would NOT be portrayed as a larger than large fuck up by Trump?

My conclusion has ALWAYS been Trump/DeSantis 2024, then eight more for DeSantis after that, but this position is a lonely island getting lonelier by the hour.

Uniparty MUST be ended or America as Founded is over.

Posted by: uniparty, Raping and Mutilating the Children They Do Not Kill at January 11, 2024 12:34 PM (gxokI)

188 If Trump loses -- which he will -- that's his fault, not mine. I am not required to support a scumbag. If a scumbag wants my support, he's required to work a little to get it.

Posted by: ace at January 11, 2024 12:27 PM (KRtlO)

Maybe so, but it's hard for me to believe a majority of voters want 4 more years of this bullshit.

Posted by: BignJames at January 11, 2024 12:34 PM (AwYPR)

189 182 BULL

the R will win my state by 20+ points. my vote is not necessary
Posted by: BruceWayne at January 11, 2024 12:34 PM (CIS44)

========

Vote third party!

One chief way out of the two-party dichotomy is to support third parties. Since they have no chance of winning, just vote for the strongest one in the state.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 11, 2024 12:35 PM (GBKbO)

190 @146 JJ, whatever you think of Trump it's pretty much a given that he can't admit he was wrong. What you suggest is the obvious out but it would take a sea change in attitude to get it out of him

Posted by: Smell the Glove at January 11, 2024 12:35 PM (Yem6A)

191 The Great Barrington Declaration could have saved the day ... Real Men of Science. But Swamp creatures Fauci/Birx stayed front and center, denouncing the early (effective) treatments, apparently so they could cram the jab into every American (and the world) possible, For Their Own Profit.

And yes, the real dangers of the jabs are still not fully known, but they could be somewhere between terrible and whatever is much worse than terrible.

Posted by: illiniwek at January 11, 2024 12:35 PM (Cus5s)

192 >>But frankly, your question is a hypothetical. I have a moderate degree of confidence that DeSantis will win Iowa, in which case the whole ball game changes

Better chance he comes in 3rd. Then what?

Posted by: JackStraw at January 11, 2024 12:35 PM (ZLI7S)

193 "There never was any basis for any of the COVID crap
Posted by: vic"

If it was not for the mass panic spread by the govt, MSM, and medical profession it would have been noted as an unusually bad flu season. That was already obvious by the time Diamond Princess numbers came out. I believe 11 deaths out of 5000 passengers cooped up for a month. And a very high percentage of elderly.

Posted by: Ripley at January 11, 2024 12:35 PM (JojsZ)

194 If Trump loses -- which he will -- that's his fault, not mine. I am not required to support a scumbag. If a scumbag wants my support, he's required to work a little to get it.

Posted by: ace

i am on the same page. What would have made the difference for me was if Trump debated his challengers. I wanted to see him prove he was a better candidate and that he acknowledged his mistakes. He should have embraced DeSantis as having done what he should have done.
that being said, I could never actually cast a ballot for a democrat.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at January 11, 2024 12:35 PM (t/2Uw)

195 Serious question: has Trump EVER apologized or admitted error for anything? Or does he believe he walks on water?
Posted by: Archimedes at January 11, 2024 12:33 PM (CsUN+)

Publicly, he never has. At least that I'm aware.

Posted by: Nova Local at January 11, 2024 12:35 PM (exHjb)

196 184 Yes, I know. You said that some months ago.

That doesn't make your "DeSantis was as bad as Trump on Covid!" claim any less wrong.
Posted by: Dr. T at January 11, 2024 12:34 PM (bhRsz)

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That's not what I said.

I said they were different degrees of terrible, which is not the same as saying that they were equally terrible.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 11, 2024 12:35 PM (GBKbO)

197 Watch it. Didn't you already get in trouble once for certain on-court...behavior?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus a

When is that court date?

Posted by: BruceWayne at January 11, 2024 12:35 PM (CIS44)

198 168 147 The dancing syringes were pretty cool!
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 11, 2024 12:30 PM (63Dwl)

"Pfft."

- - Fred Silverman's Dancing "N"

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 11, 2024 12:32 PM (x0n13)

OUR PRIDE IS SHOWING!!!

Posted by: Pepperidge Farms at January 11, 2024 12:35 PM (wtvvX)

199 114 Trump : "The ones that get very sick and go to the hospital are the ones that don't do the vaccine, but it's still their choice," he said. "And if you take the vaccine you're protected, the results of the vaccine are good."

Posted by: runner at January 11, 2024 12:26 PM

———

Perhaps the Left will have a hard time painting him as a vax denier. It’ll boil down to whether vaccines should be mandatory or not. And 80% of the public will agree with Trump that vaccines shouldn’t be mandatory.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at January 11, 2024 12:36 PM (a2BJE)

200 Evil Fauci can't meet his maker fast enough

Posted by: Skip at January 11, 2024 12:36 PM (fwDg9)

201 I don't blame Trump for not knowing the science cuz he's not a science guy and believed those who were his 'experts", who were feeding him nothing but unscientific bullshit.

= =

THIS.

I worked for Public Health at the local level for 24 1/2 years until about a year ago when I couldn't take any more of their politicized unscientific bullspit that literally ignored everything we understand about epidemiology and viral transmission. The entire episode was rotten from the outset.

In our jurisdiction, our Emergency Operation Center was staffed with NO ONE from the Public Health Department, including nurses who worked through the Ebola pandemic. instead, it was staffed by people from the library and Air Quality and other unrelated departments.

My Public Health Department has 6 physical entrances to the building. Rather than segmenting the workplace and having staff come through only the door closest to their office, leadership required all staff to come through ONE entrance; a door that required staff to reach out and pull a physical handle.

When I questioned these moves, I was labeled insubordinate. I can go on. But it was ALL POLITICS. NO SCIENCE.

Posted by: Darth Chipmunk at January 11, 2024 12:36 PM (AD14M)

202 Not voting for Trump in the primary, but definitely voting for him in the general if he's the nominee.

How is saying you're never voting for him again, period, any different than non-binary Ben and the rest of never-Trump? Why are the arguments against that now somehow distinguishable from 2016 and 2020?

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at January 11, 2024 12:36 PM (62G7o)

203 Vote third party!

One chief way out of the two-party dichotomy is to support third parties. Since they have no chance of winning, just vote for the strongest one in the state.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, wa

Or just abstain. I voted JOhnson in 16

Posted by: BruceWayne at January 11, 2024 12:36 PM (CIS44)

204 You're vaccinated, you're safe.

I fondly remember my sixth polio vaccination.
GTFOOH with that booster bullshit.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 11, 2024 12:36 PM (nNux3)

205 182 If Trump is gonna win, ALL 50 STATES MATTER, b/c he can't win if they don't. He has to pull a surprise state, so it doesn't matter his VP - if he wins the nomination, he needs the vote.

Same for any R candidate, although the possible surprise states are different.
Posted by: Nova Local a

BULL

the R will win my state by 20+ points. my vote is not necessary
Posted by: BruceWayne at January 11, 2024 12:34 PM (CIS44)

I see we didn't follow the KY Gov election just last Nov...

Posted by: Nova Local at January 11, 2024 12:36 PM (exHjb)

206 Watch it. Didn't you already get in trouble once for certain on-court...behavior?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 11, 2024 12:34 PM (9yWhg)

That's the difference between tennis elbow and pickleball elbow!!

Posted by: Doof at January 11, 2024 12:37 PM (dIkcx)

207
Whoa,, hold up here. Are y'all saying there was some sorta' virus going around?

Posted by: Jimmy Carter at January 11, 2024 12:37 PM (X4yCj)

208 it's clear what we really need-

STEINER WILL COME

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in solidarity with the struggle to maintain Moron standards at January 11, 2024 12:37 PM (VS1In)

209 When he reopened it, Trump called him and told him to close down again.

But yes, TJM, they were both equally bad on covid.
Posted by: ace at January 11, 2024 12:16 PM (KRtlO)

ace, I got told to hold my nose and vote for McCain and Mittens. Both of whom were terrible people and whose' politics sucked. I got told I had to vote for Bob Packwood to keep what is happening today from happening even though he actually won.

Everyone hates Realpolitik unless it favors their point of view after all.

Posted by: Kindltot at January 11, 2024 12:37 PM (D7oie)

210 Serious question: has Trump EVER apologized or admitted error for anything?
Posted by: Archimedes

When was the last time any President did that? Maybe Reagan?

It's not something most politicians are good at.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 11, 2024 12:37 PM (9yWhg)

211 Since this is, AGAIN, a Trump vs Scott Pilgrim thread apparently I'll add in that I am not happy with how Trump (and far more importantly the Uniparty) handled the Wuhan Flu. And there are several people not named Darlng Nikki that'd I'd be glad to have as President. I'm voting for Trump purely out of hope of revenge. Red, bloody revenge against the IC and the Uniparty and the Deep State.

Trump has charisma.

We'll see if that can beat another, bigger Steal. I doubt it. The Republic is dead and there's no coming back from that. Bunker up.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 11, 2024 12:37 PM (xcxpd)

212 190 @146 JJ, whatever you think of Trump it's pretty much a given that he can't admit he was wrong. What you suggest is the obvious out but it would take a sea change in attitude to get it out of him
Posted by: Smell the Glove at January 11, 2024 12:35 PM (Yem6A)

He has a huge ego, but unlike someone like Obama, Trump has actual positive accomplishments. That said, it is, along with his shooting-from-the-hip proclivities, an Achilles Heel.

I love him. And I hate him. Splunge - he will get my vote, though, if it means anything since the fix will be in in my state of Wisconsin big time.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 11, 2024 12:37 PM (x0n13)

213 A reminder of the Bloomberg Syndrome, as coined by the great Victor Davis Hanson: the next time your elected local or state official holds a press conference about global warming, the Middle East, or the national political climate, expect to experience poor county law enforcement, bad municipal services, or regional insolvency.

Posted by: SMOD at January 11, 2024 12:37 PM (RHGPo)

214 Let's name schools after him. I want statues of him erected at universities around the country.

------

That stuff is going to happen. I could hold forth about all the things about COVID that pissed me off at a bone-deep level. But the one that always makes me feel a surge of anger is Fauci's age.

He's going to die long before the government is willing to tolerate any criticism of their Frontline Healthcare Hero. They are going to put on a funeral for him that will be McCain + Floyd x Mandela. There will be statues and public building namings. Karens across the fruited plains will light votive candles. News anchors will read lachrymose paeans to his holy memory.

It's gonna be *revolting.*

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 11, 2024 12:37 PM (0FoWg)

215 I think the 6-foot rule was implemented so that when the guy in line behind you dropped dead, he wouldn't tear your MCL on his way down.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at January 11, 2024 12:37 PM (wtvvX)

216 This just looks like a lose,lose situation.. Trump as the candidate or Biden for four more years

Posted by: It's me donna at January 11, 2024 12:38 PM (n2vyf)

217 203 Or just abstain. I voted JOhnson in 16
Posted by: BruceWayne at January 11, 2024 12:36 PM (CIS44

=======

I did too!

I still feel like third party voting is the better way to go about it, but we're talking one of a few million votes. The effect is...small.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 11, 2024 12:38 PM (GBKbO)

218 The CDC should be refunded and disbanded.

Posted by: vic at January 11, 2024 12:38 PM (A5THL)

219 Trump screwed up mighty with COVID-19 Wuhan.
He did very good in other areas, like foreign policy and in unwrapping the ugly side of our leadership totalitarians.

Give me a name that can do better. Vivek Ramaswamy ? Can we trust him?

I'm not making an endorsement of any candidate. I'm simply expressing frustration at the people who claim DeSantis never fought the Covid insanity. It's simply not true. He was one of the best public figures on the topic after those first couple of months.

Posted by: bonhomme at January 11, 2024 12:38 PM (Odg76)

220 The most "educated" society ever. And quite possibly the dumbest.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at January 11, 2024 12:38 PM (R4t5M)

221 》》》Claims He Never Bothered Reading the Wuhan Grant Applications

He wrote it did not bother to proof read, just straight to cutting a check.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at January 11, 2024 12:38 PM (Ibaon)

222 Here is a nice Twitter video that is the truth about DeSantis and Fauci. As it turns out, DeSantis was a big fan of Fauci's early in the pandemic...

So this is more revisionist history

https://t.ly/p3EsU

Posted by: deadrody at January 11, 2024 12:38 PM (OeYsY)

223 Oh, and I'm voting for DeSantis in the NC primary.

--

Did you move, TJM? I thought you were in the Charleston area.

Posted by: Lady in Black at January 11, 2024 12:38 PM (mupln)

224 And over and over anyone who dared raise questions was shouted down, bullied and harassed--"Trust the Science" was really "Obey Authority ."
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice - Personality Commentator at January 11, 2024 12:33 PM (PFILT)

Concur. It was all about losers getting a little bit of authority and running with it like Little Mussolinis.

Never obey assholes, never get the vax and live free.

Fuck All Of Them.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 11, 2024 12:38 PM (B/nLP)

225 AP: Nearly 10,000 died from COVID-19 last month, fueled by holiday gatherings and new variant, WHO says...mostly in Europe and the Americas...calling on governments to keep up surveillance and provide continued access to treatments and vaccines.

Other areas of the world may have less access/affordability for vaccines. But USA has lots of stupid antivaxxers. Might be fewer Trump and RFK Jr. supporters by November.

#VaccinesWork "Not enough Americans are vaccinated. As of December 30, 2023, only 8% of children and 19% of adults report having received the updated COVID-19 vaccine. Only 38% of adults age 65 years and older report having received this vaccine, which is concerning given that they are at higher risk of hospitalization from COVID-19."

Covid is here. Whether governments keep track or not, people will get Covid. Some will die. I make a weekly schedule on an index card and carry it with me. I'm on Plague Week 198. I was going to stop noting how many weeks we've had to live like this because of traitor/mass killer, but since the death toll is rising, again, I'll keep tracking the time we have lived with this nightmare.

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at January 11, 2024 12:39 PM (im7NQ)

226 Every business in America should be filing a suit against Fauchi to make him personally liable.

He, under color of law, conspired to deny them their civil rights.
He made knowingly false statements which denied them freedom of association and freedom of speec under the 1st.
He also denied then their economic privileges under the 14th, depriving them of their property without due process.

This also goes for every county clerk and judge who ordered shutdowns.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice - Personality Commentator at January 11, 2024 12:39 PM (PFILT)

227 refunded = defunded.

Posted by: vic at January 11, 2024 12:39 PM (A5THL)

228 ... He's going to die long before the government is willing to tolerate any criticism of their Frontline Healthcare Hero. They are going to put on a funeral for him that will be McCain + Floyd x Mandela. There will be statues and public building namings. Karens across the fruited plains will light votive candles. News anchors will read lachrymose paeans to his holy memory.

It's gonna be *revolting.*
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 11, 2024 12:37 PM (0FoWg)
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Oh yeah. The tears will fill buckets and the Chyrons will all be black for six months.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 11, 2024 12:39 PM (Zp1WF)

229 I see we didn't follow the KY Gov election just last Nov...
Posted by: Nova Local at

He was an incumbent in a state that elected him. My R Gov won by 18. there is no chance a D wins a statewide race in this state.

Posted by: BruceWayne at January 11, 2024 12:39 PM (CIS44)

230 223 Oh, and I'm voting for DeSantis in the NC primary.

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Did you move, TJM? I thought you were in the Charleston area.
Posted by: Lady in Black at January 11, 2024 12:38 PM (mupln)

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We did, about four months ago. The house is nicer, at least.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 11, 2024 12:39 PM (GBKbO)

231 Better chance he comes in 3rd. Then what?
Posted by: JackStraw at January 11, 2024 12:35 PM (ZLI7S)

Then we will have Trump as the nominee. And we will lose.

Posted by: Dr. T at January 11, 2024 12:39 PM (bhRsz)

232 Groan.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at January 11, 2024 12:40 PM (R4t5M)

233 Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at January 11, 2024 12:39 PM (im7NQ)

Here we go again

Posted by: It's me donna at January 11, 2024 12:40 PM (n2vyf)

234 Covid is here. Whether governments keep track or not, people will get Covid. Some will die. I make a weekly schedule on an index card and carry it with me. I'm on Plague Week 198. I was going to stop noting how many weeks we've had to live like this because of traitor/mass killer, but since the death toll is rising, again, I'll keep tracking the time we have lived with this nightmare.
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at January 11, 2024 12:39 PM (im7NQ)

These people are completely batshit insane.

Posted by: Is there a vaccination against batshit? at January 11, 2024 12:40 PM (atdF6)

235 Ahoy, Ace. I'll wait for the next thread.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at January 11, 2024 12:40 PM (BdMk6)

236 210 Serious question: has Trump EVER apologized or admitted error for anything?
Posted by: Archimedes

When was the last time any President did that? Maybe Reagan?

It's not something most politicians are good at.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 11, 2024 12:37 PM (9yWhg)

I think if he did apologize when he was obviously wrong, he'd actually gain support. Digging in his heels and flaming everyone around him is not a good look. But, Trump's gonna Trump so accept it and hope for the best.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 11, 2024 12:40 PM (x0n13)

237 “ I encounter CEOs who don't know the details of their technology and that's ridiculous to me. ” -- Elon Musk

When I worked for a Fortune 150 company, the head of our ‘division’ of the company was asked “why the marketing/sales guys didn’t know their products and would benefit from a tutorial on the products”
He responded with … “if I caught any of my staff doing training, I would have an on-the-spot DOC (Discussion Of Contribution) and fire him on the spot”

Deliberate Ignorance

Posted by: SMOD at January 11, 2024 12:40 PM (RHGPo)

238 231 Better chance he comes in 3rd. Then what?
Posted by: JackStraw at January 11, 2024 12:35 PM (ZLI7S)

Then we will have Trump as the nominee. And we will lose.
Posted by: Dr. T at January 11, 2024 12:39 PM (bhRsz)

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Just a few days ago, in the trial around the 2020 election in GA, it was revealed that 170,000 ballots were essentially fake.

How does any Republican counter that?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 11, 2024 12:40 PM (GBKbO)

239 Trump wins if Biden is the candidate. Biden will not be the candidate.
Trump is primary polling right around 50%. Biden, with all his problems, polling around 70+%.
Trump has not yet convinced half of the party that he should be the candidate.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at January 11, 2024 12:40 PM (t/2Uw)

240 This just looks like a lose,lose situation.. Trump as the candidate or Biden for four more years

In the final analysis, is there any way Trump would be worse for the country than Biden or his replacement? I think not.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 11, 2024 12:41 PM (CsUN+)

241 >>This just looks like a lose,lose situation.. Trump as the candidate or Biden for four more years

I'm curious why you would say that. All the polls are trending in Trump's favor which DeSantis supporters said would never happen. Not just the national polls but the all important swing states. Trump is leading in every single one, in some cases by very big numbers.

Biden is a terrible candidate and the left is panicking because they do not think he can win. That goes all the way up to Obama. Trump won in 2016 and unless you are lying in a fantasy world you know he won in 2020. So why can't he win in 2024 when every indication is that he can and unless something big changes will?

Posted by: JackStraw at January 11, 2024 12:41 PM (ZLI7S)

242 How is saying you're never voting for him again, period, any different than non-binary Ben and the rest of never-Trump? Why are the arguments against that now somehow distinguishable from 2016 and 2020?
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba a

I personally never said I wouldnt vote him in the genral. I said if he picks Punjabi Karen as VP I will not. but again my vote is meaningless.

Posted by: BruceWayne at January 11, 2024 12:41 PM (CIS44)

243 Some people apparently believe the primary isn't already over.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 11, 2024 12:41 PM (gbpxs)

244 > Let's be honest: the first impulse is very important.

OK. Is there anyone with any influence who did better?

DeSantis at least showed the capacity to learn. 99% of these tools in government have the opposite instinct when proven wrong. They double and triple down on it.

Posted by: bonhomme at January 11, 2024 12:42 PM (Odg76)

245 I'm not making an endorsement of any candidate. I'm simply expressing frustration at the people who claim DeSantis never fought the Covid insanity. It's simply not true. He was one of the best public figures on the topic after those first couple of months.
Posted by: bonhomme at January 11, 2024 12:38 PM (Odg76)

But let's focus solely on those first couple months and ignore everything else, so we can let Trump off the hook.

Posted by: Dr. T at January 11, 2024 12:42 PM (bhRsz)

246 Why are the arguments against that now somehow distinguishable from 2016 and 2020?

I distinctly remember being scolded here for not wanting to vote for Mitt Romney. "If you don't vote for him, you're voting for Obama!"

What's changed? Just that it's YOUR turn to hold your nose? Or what?

Posted by: blobula at January 11, 2024 12:42 PM (GfWuY)

247 229 I see we didn't follow the KY Gov election just last Nov...
Posted by: Nova Local at

He was an incumbent in a state that elected him. My R Gov won by 18. there is no chance a D wins a statewide race in this state.
Posted by: BruceWayne at January 11, 2024 12:39 PM (CIS44)

Yes, and a top ticket D won, when every other state wide R race was 10+ R margin...anything happens with unpopular candidates and Trump is an unpopular R for the base R voter, so R states are not gonna be shoo-ins, just like D states are not gonna be shoo-ins for Ds b/c Trump's appeal, IF he wins, is not true party based...

Posted by: Nova Local at January 11, 2024 12:42 PM (exHjb)

248 Lots of people have no lives except waiting on the mail man or watching for their garbage pick up.

The China Flu Scam gave their lives meaning and purpose.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 11, 2024 12:42 PM (B/nLP)

249 ... Covid is here. Whether governments keep track or not, people will get Covid. Some will die. I make a weekly schedule on an index card and carry it with me. I'm on Plague Week 198. I was going to stop noting how many weeks we've had to live like this because of traitor/mass killer, but since the death toll is rising, again, I'll keep tracking the time we have lived with this nightmare.
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at January 11, 2024 12:39 PM (im7NQ)
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This person is right in fact, but totally insane about it. COVID is just another bug out in the world. It will never go away. It will never be "conquered." That was true more or less immediately, too.

So yeah. You'll get it, probably, if you're one of the seemingly 75% or so who *can* get it. You'll also probably be fine. Just like the flu, which does kill a lot of people every year.

But you don't carry around an index card for the flu, because that would be insane. You don't carry around an index card for the common cold, because that would be insane. You don't reindex your calendar for new diseases, because that would be insane.

Yet this person does it for COVID. Oy.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 11, 2024 12:42 PM (Zp1WF)

250 My wife broke her ankle yesterday. The hospital was terrible. Six hours before pain meds. Chocked full of people, few looked to be the paying sort. Total of 9 hours there for about 15 minutes of x-rays and "yep you sure broke it go call a surgeon now". Cracked her tibia and other side of ankle, may need hardware. Orthopedic surgeon office not answering phone. What a damned mess. And I'm not the one suffering.

Posted by: banana Dream at January 11, 2024 12:42 PM (bSSoQ)

251 New Delhi Nikki won't be VP.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at January 11, 2024 12:42 PM (R4t5M)

252 When I worked for a Fortune 150 company, the head of our ‘division’ of the company was asked “why the marketing/sales guys didn’t know their products and would benefit from a tutorial on the products”
He responded with … “if I caught any of my staff doing training, I would have an on-the-spot DOC (Discussion Of Contribution) and fire him on the spot”

Deliberate Ignorance
Posted by: SMOD at January 11, 2024 12:40 PM (RHGPo)

It's harder to defraud the customer if you know too much about the product.

Posted by: Bullshitting is easier if you don't know it's bullshit at January 11, 2024 12:42 PM (atdF6)

253 I've never understood the ideas of voting third party as some kind protest. As of now it's Trump v Biden. If you have conservative or libertarian thoughts, great, but anything but a vote for Trump is a vote for Biden. If Biden wins don't complain about the resulting tyranny

Posted by: Smell the Glove at January 11, 2024 12:42 PM (Yem6A)

254 DeSantis isn't going to win.
He has peaked at 10%.
That's Ron's fault for hiring GOPe retreads and running a vintage 1993 campaign.
Whining about Trump won't change that.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice - Personality Commentator at January 11, 2024 12:42 PM (PFILT)

255 >>218 The CDC should be defunded and disbanded.
Posted by: vic

If I'm still here in a few months, I'll look into it.
-Mike Johnson A Conservative

Posted by: Maj. Healey at January 11, 2024 12:42 PM (eYF7X)

256 "...a sinister midget, with a bucket and a mop...
...a sinister midget, with a bucket and a mop..."
I know it's not Zappa month anymore but still.

Posted by: rechill at January 11, 2024 12:43 PM (Q1LXu)

257 231 Better chance he comes in 3rd. Then what?
Posted by: JackStraw at January 11, 2024 12:35 PM (ZLI7S)

Then we will have Trump as the nominee. And we will lose.
Posted by: Dr. T at January 11, 2024 12:39 PM (bhRsz)

OR we figure out how to win without GA and VA - and that may mean NY...bad odds, but at least not impossible ones...

Posted by: Nova Local at January 11, 2024 12:43 PM (exHjb)

258 Fauci: You won't get Covid if you get the vaccine.
Howard Stern: Yay! He's our savior!

Stern gets vaccinated repeatedly, still gets Covid.

Stern: I'd still suck Fauci's dick.

Posted by: Wally at January 11, 2024 12:43 PM (hqVaF)

259 . . . And Kristi Noem sucks. . . .

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 11, 2024

***
I don't understand. I always think very highly of a woman who does that.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 11, 2024 12:43 PM (J2vNu)

260 my state will go will go (made up stat) 70% Trump; and the cities (Ph. Pi. Hrsbrg., Scranton, Erie) will cancel the vote. The "poop-hole" loophole...

Posted by: poconohound at January 11, 2024 12:43 PM (2gG6+)

261 Perhaps the Left will have a hard time painting him as a vax denier. It’ll boil down to whether vaccines should be mandatory or not. And 80% of the public will agree with Trump that vaccines shouldn’t be mandatory.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at January 11, 2024 12:36 PM (a2BJE)

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They managed to convince a large group of the population that he said to inject bleach into your veins.

Telling people who hate the very idea of him that he is a vaxx denier will be a piece of cake.

Posted by: Just Lily at January 11, 2024 12:43 PM (TVRWN)

262 In the final analysis, is there any way Trump would be worse for the country than Biden or his replacement? I think not.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 11, 2024 12:41 PM (CsUN+)

No... I just mean Trump's odds of winning with the election shenanigans we have are low... I think the same is true for any R candidate

Posted by: It's me donna at January 11, 2024 12:43 PM (n2vyf)

263 Federal Grants are rife with rape, deceit, lies, made up statistics, fraud, theft and rape.

Another reason to abolish the federal government.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 11, 2024 12:22 PM
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You said rape twice.

Posted by: Hedley Lamarr at January 11, 2024 12:43 PM (xT7BI)

264 This bikini brunette actively deplores and disrespects Fauci and all of his ilk:
http://tiny.cc/j7ezvz

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 11, 2024 12:43 PM (Zp1WF)

265 226 Every business in America should be filing a suit against Fauchi to make him personally liable.
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I think we had something similar that went before the SC, which ruled 'no standing' since these orders aren't CURRENTLY in effect.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at January 11, 2024 12:43 PM (fs1hN)

266 225 #VaccinesWork "Not enough Americans are vaccinated

If they work how do you account for Howard Stern, vaccinated, boosted out the wahzoo and living more hermetically sealed than Howard Hughes coming down with it?

It's flu. A bad flu and dangerous, like all other diseases to the most vulnerable.

The central issue is how it was created, by whom, how it got here and the conspiracy to allow mass hysteria and the kneecapping of proven cheap treatments from being used. That and the persecution/silencing of everyone who advocated for them.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 11, 2024 12:43 PM (x0n13)

267 217 203 Or just abstain. I voted JOhnson in 16
Posted by: BruceWayne at January 11, 2024 12:36 PM (CIS44

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I did too!

I still feel like third party voting is the better way to go about it, but we're talking one of a few million votes. The effect is...small.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 11, 2024 12:38 PM (GBKbO)

"Go ahead. Throw your vote away! Ah ha ha ha ha ha!"
*wiggles tentacles while laughing*

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 11, 2024 12:43 PM (xcxpd)

268 244 > Let's be honest: the first impulse is very important.

OK. Is there anyone with any influence who did better?

DeSantis at least showed the capacity to learn. 99% of these tools in government have the opposite instinct when proven wrong. They double and triple down on it.
Posted by: bonhomme at January 11, 2024 12:42 PM (Odg76)

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Kristi Noem, who followed the will of her legislature and kept her state open.

But, even discounting her, "everyone else is terrible, therefore my terribleness should be excused because I was the least terrible" is essentially where I am.

Everyone sucked on covid to different degrees. The only person I'd be willing to vote for with covid as a primary concern is Rand Paul. Outside of him, covid is simply a wash of an issue.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 11, 2024 12:43 PM (GBKbO)

269 Here is a nice Twitter video that is the truth about DeSantis and Fauci. As it turns out, DeSantis was a big fan of Fauci's early in the pandemic...

The key words are "early in the pandemic". It's when we know little about it, so caution is warranted.

But, Trump's gonna Trump so accept it and hope for the best.

Nope. I have a real problem with people who won't admit error, because it means they don't learn.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 11, 2024 12:43 PM (CsUN+)

270
Yes, and a top ticket D won, when every other state wide R race was 10+ R margin...anything happens with unpopular candidates and Trump is an unpopular R for the base R voter, so R states are not gonna be shoo-ins, just like D states are not gonna be shoo-ins for Ds b/c Trump's appeal, IF he wins, is not true party based...
Posted by: Nova Local

KY is not my state

Posted by: BruceWayne at January 11, 2024 12:43 PM (CIS44)

271 Just a few days ago, in the trial around the 2020 election in GA, it was revealed that 170,000 ballots were essentially fake.

How does any Republican counter that?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 11, 2024 12:40 PM (GBKbO)

As Youngkin and DeSantis, who both have now improved vote security in their states...

Posted by: Nova Local at January 11, 2024 12:44 PM (exHjb)

272 Oh, and I'm voting for DeSantis in the NC primary.

Overly optimistic that he'll still be in the race by that point, or a declaration you'll write him in regardless?

Posted by: Moron Analyst at January 11, 2024 12:44 PM (im7NQ)

273 For the $$$$ I'm going to be paying why is medical care so absolutely crappy? Because I'm actually just paying for ten other people's crappy care too? So f'ing frustrating.

Posted by: banana Dream at January 11, 2024 12:44 PM (bSSoQ)

274 Trump is still the only candidate who's correct on the border.

However he did get suckered by Fauci and I regret having listened to Trump about the so called vaccine. He should admit it was a failure because it didn't prevent disease and it's unknown if it even mitigates against severe disease.

It was a Tulip Mania social contagion. We've had a few. Gulf of Tonkin, WMD's ..
shakes jar, housing crash because of fraud and nobody goes to jail, election of a Kenyan who wasn't a natural born citizen, cold fusion, Madoff and Bitcoin, Epstein. There will be
many more.

Posted by: torabora at January 11, 2024 12:44 PM (OUiUM)

275 i am on the same page. What would have made the difference for me was if Trump debated his challengers....

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It's funny because all I need from ANY of the challengers is an acknowledgement that 2020 was stolen and that we're not going through a normal election like it's 1996 (which probably had a lot of cheating, too).

So far as I know there hasn't been the first single teensy bit of discussion about the steal in any of the debates.

A steal everyone knows happened, and that the SCOTUS confirmed happened by telling PA to cut that sh*t out (and PA said "nah, make us"), and just a day or two ago some judge confirmed yet again that Voting Vans in some state were illegal.

Crickets. Just a normal election that Nikki Haley can win, darnit.

Posted by: Nikki Haley - Poland's color revolution makes sense when you remember Ukraine's 2022 rocket attack at January 11, 2024 12:44 PM (tT7jR)

276 264 This bikini brunette actively deplores and disrespects Fauci and all of his ilk:
http://tiny.cc/j7ezvz
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 11, 2024 12:43 PM (Zp1WF)

Busty. Above average.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 11, 2024 12:44 PM (xcxpd)

277 They've been speaking for months. Apparently the country disagrees.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 11, 2024 12:31 PM (ZLI7S)

The frustrating thing about this new world we are in, is that EVERYONE'S default position in arguing is "[so and so] is [such and such] and due to that his argument is invalid because of his obvious moral and social failings, so I will not waste my time listening to him"

It is like arguing with a middle-schooler. "Jonie is a poopie head and likes NCT 127, how can anyone listen to someone so stupid?"

Posted by: Kindltot at January 11, 2024 12:44 PM (D7oie)

278 @238

>>How does any Republican counter that?

Georgia is a truly bizarre state, votes for GOPe good old boys for statewide office but has two red diaper babies as Senators.

I mean, I guess Raffesnsburger would be more receptive to pull the dials for DeSantis rather than Trump, but I wouldn't bet the house on it.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 11, 2024 12:44 PM (XV/Pl)

279 271 Just a few days ago, in the trial around the 2020 election in GA, it was revealed that 170,000 ballots were essentially fake.

How does any Republican counter that?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 11, 2024 12:40 PM (GBKbO)

As Youngkin and DeSantis, who both have now improved vote security in their states...
Posted by: Nova Local at January 11, 2024 12:44 PM (exHjb)

Last I checked neither was governor of GA.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 11, 2024 12:45 PM (eYoxG)

280 Some people apparently believe the primary isn't already over.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 11, 2024 12:41 PM (gbpxs)

How many ballots have been cast?

Posted by: Dr. T at January 11, 2024 12:45 PM (bhRsz)

281 250 My wife broke her ankle yesterday. The hospital was terrible. Six hours before pain meds. Chocked full of people, few looked to be the paying sort. Total of 9 hours there for about 15 minutes of x-rays and "yep you sure broke it go call a surgeon now". Cracked her tibia and other side of ankle, may need hardware. Orthopedic surgeon office not answering phone. What a damned mess. And I'm not the one suffering.
Posted by: banana Dream at January 11, 2024 12:42 PM (bSSoQ)

Next time - urgent care over hospital for broken bones.

Posted by: Nova Local at January 11, 2024 12:45 PM (exHjb)

282 Neither Haley nor Desantis have a chance to beat the cheat machine... Trump did before and might again, thats why the globalists are loosing their shit. Desantis, the best govnor in the union is completely out of his league.
If he continued to send illegals to Martha's Vinyard you might convince me he would fight the fight, but he folded like a cheap suit. He aint the one.

Posted by: ET at January 11, 2024 12:45 PM (U3RHl)

283 Last time Iowa had predicting abiity was 20 year ago. After that , (for Rs) it served as an indicator of a more conservative person in the race. Santorum 2012, Cruz 2016.

Posted by: runner at January 11, 2024 12:45 PM (V13WU)

284 Some of us do back him for that reason alone. Some of us don't, and figure he better prove he can win primaries state by state and has a ground game to win, b/c he didn't have one in 2020.
Posted by: Nova Local at January 11, 2024 12:25 PM (exHjb)

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Which is, of course, why he increased his vote total by 11 million and won 84% of the counties in the US. Sure. Totally his lack of a "ground game" that allowed AZ, PA, MI, WI, GA, and NV to stop the vote count in the middle of the night, just long enough to find the votes necessary to put Biden over the top.

Right. Trump's "ground game". Thanks for playing

Posted by: deadrody at January 11, 2024 12:45 PM (OeYsY)

285 Yes, and a top ticket D won, when every other state wide R race was 10+ R margin...anything happens with unpopular candidates and Trump is an unpopular R for the base R voter, so R states are not gonna be shoo-ins, just like D states are not gonna be shoo-ins for Ds b/c Trump's appeal, IF he wins, is not true party based...
Posted by: Nova Local

KY is not my state
Posted by: BruceWayne at

And Trump is not unpopular here. this aint VA

Posted by: BruceWayne at January 11, 2024 12:45 PM (CIS44)

286 This bikini brunette actively deplores and disrespects Fauci and all of his ilk:
http://tiny.cc/j7ezvz
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)

The dude in the background staring at her ass. Heh.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at January 11, 2024 12:45 PM (R4t5M)

287 Just a few days ago, in the trial around the 2020 election in GA, it was revealed that 170,000 ballots were essentially fake.

How does any Republican counter that?

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Step one:

Admit that it happened.

Posted by: Nikki Haley - Poland's color revolution makes sense when you remember Ukraine's 2022 rocket attack at January 11, 2024 12:45 PM (tT7jR)

288 270 KY is not my state
Posted by: BruceWayne at January 11, 2024 12:43 PM (CIS44)

Punchlines abound here . . .

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 11, 2024 12:45 PM (x0n13)

289 >>Then we will have Trump as the nominee. And we will lose.

This is just wish casting. There is no world where a guy like DeSantis who is unable to gain the support of his own party base which is now the energy of the party would somehow magically get their support and beat an incumbent.

Trump is running away with the primary with smoke and mirrors. These are actual voters who have seen both candidates and are putting their support behind Trump. DeSantis is losing by 20 point in his own state of Florida.

Pretending he would somehow get the support Trump now has by magic is just not going to happen.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 11, 2024 12:45 PM (ZLI7S)

290 Posted by: banana Dream
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slap hot iron to it. That's what we do out in the peanut fields

Posted by: Jimmy Carter at January 11, 2024 12:45 PM (X4yCj)

291 254 DeSantis isn't going to win.
He has peaked at 10%.
That's Ron's fault for hiring GOPe retreads and running a vintage 1993 campaign.
Whining about Trump won't change that.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice - Personality Commentator at January 11, 2024 12:42 PM (PFILT)

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I think there was room for a Trumpism without Trump in this race even with Trump in the race, but the primary issue that needed to be addressed was voter integrity. No one did it. Hell, Trump barely does it ("we'll ballot harvest more" is the extent of it), but at least he addresses it.

Without that, everyone else seems like they're trying to win the 2016 election, not the 2024 election.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 11, 2024 12:45 PM (GBKbO)

292 Covid is here. Whether governments keep track or not, people will get Covid. Some will die. I make a weekly schedule on an index card and carry it with me. I'm on Plague Week 198. I was going to stop noting how many weeks we've had to live like this because of traitor/mass killer, but since the death toll is rising, again, I'll keep tracking the time we have lived with this nightmare.
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions

Covid mentally broke a lot of people.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 11, 2024 12:45 PM (nNux3)

293 I hadn't seen Noem in months, though I only live a medium-length Par 4 from SD, but saw her the other night on the news. When did she go to the whore look? Eyes, hair, everything. Yikes.

Posted by: Wally at January 11, 2024 12:46 PM (hqVaF)

294 "why do Iowa caucuses matter, again ??"

Posted by: Ted Cruz at January 11, 2024 12:46 PM (89Sog)

295 The longer I live the more I'm convinced that all our institutions and 98% of social interaction run on bullshit and lies.

Posted by: And being willing dupes keeps it going at January 11, 2024 12:46 PM (atdF6)

296 267 "Go ahead. Throw your vote away! Ah ha ha ha ha ha!"
*wiggles tentacles while laughing*
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 11, 2024 12:43 PM (xcxpd)

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No, Mr. Perot! That was your best straw hat!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 11, 2024 12:46 PM (GBKbO)

297 I'm sorry your wife had to go through that, banana Dream. Best wishes to her for a speedy recovery.

Posted by: bonhomme at January 11, 2024 12:46 PM (Odg76)

298 One of the reasons Trump was much worse on COVID than Ron D is his talking up this garbage "vaccine"

Posted by: Jay in PA at January 11, 2024 12:46 PM (i7Q7S)

299 If you look at the actual death numbers the overall deaths from ALL flu was no different from the past.

Posted by: vic at January 11, 2024 12:46 PM (A5THL)

300 Trump isn't running away ....

Posted by: JackStraw at January 11, 2024 12:46 PM (ZLI7S)

301 250 My wife broke her ankle yesterday. The hospital was terrible. Six hours before pain meds. Chocked full of people, few looked to be the paying sort. Total of 9 hours there for about 15 minutes of x-rays and "yep you sure broke it go call a surgeon now". Cracked her tibia and other side of ankle, may need hardware. Orthopedic surgeon office not answering phone. What a damned mess. And I'm not the one suffering.
Posted by: banana Dream at January 11, 2024 12:42 PM (bSSoQ)

Sorry to hear it. Hope your wife heals up soon

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 11, 2024 12:46 PM (xcxpd)

302 236 210 Serious question: has Trump EVER apologized or admitted error for anything?
Posted by: Archimedes

When was the last time any President did that? Maybe Reagan?

It's not something most politicians are good at.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 11, 2024 12:37 PM (9yWhg)

I think if he did apologize when he was obviously wrong, he'd actually gain support. Digging in his heels and flaming everyone around him is not a good look. But, Trump's gonna Trump so accept it and hope for the best.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 11, 2024 12:40 PM (x0n13)

———-

I’m pretty sure we here at AoS have spent years complaining about the GOP apology caucus.

In fact it was one of the main things everyone liked about Trump in 2016, he didn’t apologize.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at January 11, 2024 12:47 PM (a2BJE)

303 266 225 #VaccinesWork "Not enough Americans are vaccinated

If they work how do you account for Howard Stern, vaccinated, boosted out the wahzoo and living more hermetically sealed than Howard Hughes coming down with it?

If they HADN'T been vaccinated, it would have been much worse! Trust the science! They'd probably be DEAD!

Posted by: Branch Covidian Zealots, acting out of faith at January 11, 2024 12:47 PM (im7NQ)

304 271 As Youngkin and DeSantis, who both have now improved vote security in their states...
Posted by: Nova Local at January 11, 2024 12:44 PM (exHjb)

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How does a Republican presidential candidate improve that?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 11, 2024 12:47 PM (GBKbO)

305 KY is not my state
Posted by: BruceWayne at

Whatever you say, slick.

Posted by: Dry humor? at January 11, 2024 12:47 PM (atdF6)

306 Serious question: has Trump EVER apologized or admitted error for anything? Or does he believe he walks on water?
Posted by: Archimedes at January 11, 2024 12:33 PM (CsUN+)

It is a common failing.

Posted by: Kindltot at January 11, 2024 12:47 PM (D7oie)

307 You're missing the greater reason the 'social distance' crap existed.

They wanted their precious lockdowns, but they ALSO wanted the rich ones to be able to bribe them to be declared 'essential'.

The ONLY WAY that they could simultaneously justify lockdowns and allowing 'essential' businesses to be open is if they dictated 'precautions' that allowed it.

They didn't give two shits about whether there was science or not, they just needed a fig leaf justification. 'Oh yeah, you can totally let Wal-Mart be open as long as they put arrows on the ground to keep people 6 feet away and everybody wears a mask!!!!'

Posted by: DudeAbiding at January 11, 2024 12:47 PM (setIA)

308 284 Right. Trump's "ground game". Thanks for playing
Posted by: deadrody at January 11, 2024 12:45 PM (OeYsY)

It has been argued that he and his team knew about the cheats well in advance and did nothing to stop it. Whether he and they alone without the help of the party could have had any effect in countering it is debatable. But not moot since the same crap is for sure bound to happen 11 months from now.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 11, 2024 12:47 PM (x0n13)

309 DeSantis isn't going to win.
He has peaked at 10%.
That's Ron's fault for hiring GOPe retreads and running a vintage 1993 campaign.
Whining about Trump won't change that.

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The craziest part is that he had the clearest, easiest path to the presidency in 2028 that I've ever seen, and instead he decided to lose to Nikki Haley.

Posted by: Nikki Haley - Poland's color revolution makes sense when you remember Ukraine's 2022 rocket attack at January 11, 2024 12:47 PM (tT7jR)

310 I took two flights this past week. There are still some idiots in masks. And what's worse, is that most of the masks are still the cheap, garbage kind that even Fauci admitted don't work. One clown basically had a bandana loosely wrapped around his face.

And here's the real kicker: most of these imbeciles would board the plane in a mask, sit there for a while in the mask, and then take off the mask for a while[i/], then put it back on, take it off, etc.

What in holy hell of all god's name under heaven and earth do these fucking retards think they're accomplishing by doing this?? Do they not understand that as soon as you take the mask off, you're exposed to everything you thought you were protecting yourself against? It's like going scuba diving, taking off the mask, and wondering why you're suddenly drowning.

Posted by: Elric Blade at January 11, 2024 12:47 PM (iFTx/)

311 This bikini brunette actively deplores and disrespects Fauci and all of his ilk:
http://tiny.cc/j7ezvz

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 11, 2024 12:43 PM (Zp1WF)

Guy in pool is getting an eyefull...wonder if she's wearing a thong?

Posted by: BignJames at January 11, 2024 12:47 PM (AwYPR)

312 Biden is a terrible candidate and the left is panicking because they do not think he can win. That goes all the way up to Obama. Trump won in 2016 and unless you are lying in a fantasy world you know he won in 2020. So why can't he win in 2024 when every indication is that he can and unless something big changes will?

As you point out, Biden is a TERRIBLE candidate, probably the worst we've ever had. Hillary wasn't much better, and yet Trump barely beat Hillary. So, assuming Biden is replaced, and I think he will be, Trump would face a much stronger candidate.

If Biden does remain as the nom, which I do not expect, Trump MIGHT beat him.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 11, 2024 12:47 PM (CsUN+)

313 Which is, of course, why he increased his vote total by 11 million and won 84% of the counties in the US. Sure. Totally his lack of a "ground game" that allowed AZ, PA, MI, WI, GA, and NV to stop the vote count in the middle of the night, just long enough to find the votes necessary to put Biden over the top.

Right. Trump's "ground game". Thanks for playing
Posted by: deadrody at January 11, 2024 12:45 PM (OeYsY)

Ground game involves having the lawyers everywhere to stop the cheat - that's what Youngkin paid for in VA in 2021...

Posted by: Nova Local at January 11, 2024 12:47 PM (exHjb)

314 It doesn't really matter. Either the ballot boxes are stuffed, or the ruling class does what Poland is doing. Either way, freedom to choose your leaders is gone.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 11, 2024 12:47 PM (gbpxs)

315 I don't fault anybody for his reaction to covid, and for a simple reason: nobody knew what we were up against. I certainly don't blame trump or desantis in this connection for the same reason.

Politicians in particular were vulnerable to getting blown up by the MSM for substituting their judgment over that of the so called experts

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 11, 2024 12:47 PM (YqDXo)

316 Every doctor that pushed the shot should personally apologize to each patient they pushed it on. This is why I will never trust another one again. I have a huge "D" on my charts.

Posted by: Megthered at January 11, 2024 12:48 PM (Pz49S)

317 I don't want anyone i like in the presidency for at least another couple of terms. The nation has a fever, and that fever is baking out the virus of default leftism with every day that passes. The worse, the better. Anyone "good" in office would have to go full Caesar to accomplish anything of merit in that filthy fake swamp, or else just get swept along with the bullshit and become the new target of the 24/7 Hate while the bastards who are actually running things continue to skate along with impunity.

There's a lot more ruin left in this nation before we can have nice things again. If it can happen gradually over time instead of in a big conflagration, so much the better.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 11, 2024 12:48 PM (9UlRk)

318 ... What in holy hell of all god's name under heaven and earth do these fucking retards think they're accomplishing by doing this?? Do they not understand that as soon as you take the mask off, you're exposed to everything you thought you were protecting yourself against? It's like going scuba diving, taking off the mask, and wondering why you're suddenly drowning.
Posted by: Elric Blade at January 11, 2024 12:47 PM (iFTx/)
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They they're accomplishing what they are in fact actually accomplishing: providing a group identification marker.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 11, 2024 12:48 PM (Zp1WF)

319 >> Serious question: has Trump EVER apologized or admitted error for anything?

Has Ron? Or is he just perfect?

Posted by: JackStraw at January 11, 2024 12:48 PM (ZLI7S)

320 >>> Next time - urgent care over hospital for broken bones.
Posted by: Nova Local at January 11, 2024 12:45 PM (exHjb)

Yeah we both said the same thing after the ordeal. I panicked maybe and didn't even know if I was going to be able to get her in the car she was in so much pain, thought of ambulance. But yeah, now I know.

Posted by: banana Dream at January 11, 2024 12:48 PM (bSSoQ)

321 This bikini brunette actively deplores and disrespects Fauci and all of his ilk:
http://tiny.cc/j7ezvz
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 11, 2024 12:43 PM (Zp1WF)

Busty. Above average.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 11, 2024 12:44 PM (xcxpd)

She surpassed "busty" and achieved "buxom"

Posted by: Doof at January 11, 2024 12:48 PM (dIkcx)

322 303 If they HADN'T been vaccinated, it would have been much worse! Trust the science! They'd probably be DEAD!
Posted by: Branch Covidian Zealots, acting out of faith at January 11, 2024 12:47 PM (im7NQ)

Except Mouse Midget Mengele stated as fact: Vaccinated = protected, Unvaccinated = vulnerable.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 11, 2024 12:48 PM (x0n13)

323 321 This bikini brunette actively deplores and disrespects Fauci and all of his ilk:
http://tiny.cc/j7ezvz
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 11, 2024 12:43 PM (Zp1WF)

Busty. Above average.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 11, 2024 12:44 PM (xcxpd)

She surpassed "busty" and achieved "buxom"
Posted by: Doof at January 11, 2024 12:48 PM (dIkcx)

Buxom is good. We need to bring that word back.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 11, 2024 12:48 PM (xcxpd)

324 I think the biggest positive that comes out of all of this (and the little creepy midget in particular) is that this is a one off.

Next time they try the pandemic angle for control a significantly large swath of the the populous is just going to respond appropriately...Such as:

"Fvck Off, Poindexter."

Posted by: Orson at January 11, 2024 12:49 PM (dIske)

325 Guy in pool is getting an eyefull...wonder if she's wearing a thong?
Posted by: BignJames at January 11, 2024 12:47 PM (AwYPR)

You don't wear a thong. You thing a thong.

Posted by: Thilly perthon at January 11, 2024 12:49 PM (atdF6)

326 I'm here.
I have a miserable cold. (is there any other kind?)
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at January 11, 2024 12:12 PM (t/2Uw)

Fee better soon !

Posted by: JT at January 11, 2024 12:49 PM (T4tVD)

327 Illinois primary is March 19. I never voted in one before. Don't have to decide-decide until then. Nine weeks to procrastinate.

Posted by: Can't Make gp's Shimmy Shake on Tea at January 11, 2024 12:49 PM (MvF+J)

328 The dude in the background staring at her ass. Heh.
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And you're staring at her tits. What of it?

Posted by: Dude in Background at January 11, 2024 12:49 PM (fs1hN)

329 >>> Sorry to hear it. Hope your wife heals up soon
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 11, 2024 12:46 PM (xcxpd)

Thank you.

Posted by: banana Dream at January 11, 2024 12:50 PM (bSSoQ)

330 313 Ground game involves having the lawyers everywhere to stop the cheat - that's what Youngkin paid for in VA in 2021...
Posted by: Nova Local at January 11, 2024 12:47 PM (exHjb)

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It's like you intentionally forget the back and forth through the courts during the 2020 election.

They brought suits before the election based on illegal changes to the law, and they were all tossed by the courts because the courts said that there was no harm done.

They brought suits right after the election, and everything was tossed without hearing the merits.

Would the courts suddenly have changed their judicial philosophies because another Republican was on the ballot?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 11, 2024 12:50 PM (GBKbO)

331 Buxom is good. We need to bring that word back.
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That's not funny!

Posted by: Feminists at January 11, 2024 12:50 PM (fs1hN)

332 318 ... What in holy hell of all god's name under heaven and earth do these fucking retards think they're accomplishing by doing this?? Do they not understand that as soon as you take the mask off, you're exposed to everything you thought you were protecting yourself against? It's like going scuba diving, taking off the mask, and wondering why you're suddenly drowning.
Posted by: Elric Blade at January 11, 2024 12:47 PM (iFTx/)
++++
They they're accomplishing what they are in fact actually accomplishing: providing a group identification marker.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 11, 2024 12:48 PM (Zp1WF)
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Yea I get that . . . but by willfully destroying the entire purpose of the identification exercise, do they not see all they are really doing is identifying how utterly fucking brain-dead they are?

Posted by: Elric Blade at January 11, 2024 12:50 PM (iFTx/)

333 Are we really back to Trump DeSantis arguments. I feel like I just stepped 6 months back in time, lol.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 11, 2024 12:50 PM (0FoWg)

334 Next time - urgent care over hospital for broken bones.
Posted by: Nova Local at January 11, 2024 12:45 PM (exHjb)

Yeah we both said the same thing after the ordeal. I panicked maybe and didn't even know if I was going to be able to get her in the car she was in so much pain, thought of ambulance. But yeah, now I know.
Posted by: banana Dream

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Some other moron pointed it out a couple of days ago.

We've not only achieved socialized medicine, but we've reached 3rd world status. You can tell because if you need medical care and can pay for it then you no longer go to the hospital for care.

Posted by: Nikki Haley - Poland's color revolution makes sense when you remember Ukraine's 2022 rocket attack at January 11, 2024 12:50 PM (tT7jR)

335 293 I hadn't seen Noem in months, though I only live a medium-length Par 4 from SD, but saw her the other night on the news. When did she go to the whore look? Eyes, hair, everything. Yikes.
Posted by: Wally

So, she's lobbying for Trump's VP slot.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at January 11, 2024 12:50 PM (im7NQ)

336 Next time they try the pandemic angle for control a significantly large swath of the the populous is just going to respond appropriately...Such as:

"Fvck Off, Poindexter."
Posted by: Orson

strongly disagree. The push back will be greater, but the vast majority will go along. just like always.

Posted by: BruceWayne at January 11, 2024 12:51 PM (CIS44)

337 Sundowner isn't going to be allowed to run

Posted by: Skip at January 11, 2024 12:51 PM (fwDg9)

338 No, Mr. Perot! That was your best straw hat!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 11, 2024 12:46 PM (GBKbO)

Ross Perot was right about everything, apparently.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 11, 2024 12:51 PM (xcxpd)

339 Mike Johnson-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uy4aG_fBxNc

Gope maths. Lying fuck.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at January 11, 2024 12:51 PM (eYF7X)

340 325 You don't wear a thong. You thing a thong.
Posted by: Thilly perthon at January 11, 2024 12:49 PM (atdF6)

By requeth . . . EWF!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4dsPZmeTys

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 11, 2024 12:51 PM (x0n13)

341 316 Every doctor that pushed the shot should personally apologize to each patient they pushed it on. This is why I will never trust another one again. I have a huge "D" on my charts.
Posted by: Megthered at January 11, 2024 12:48 PM (Pz49S)

They haven't stopped pushing it... My Doctor asks and I say no... Both My husband and I fell for the hype and got the first 2 shots... He had a headache for 6 months and has permanently lost his sense of smell... By the way we both have covid right now... Entire family got it over Christmas... Pretty bad but I'll survive

Posted by: It's me donna at January 11, 2024 12:51 PM (n2vyf)

342 "(Fauci) Also Claims He Never Bothered Reading the Wuhan Grant Applications"

This is to set-up Fauci's claim that he had no INTENT to cause any harm to anyone in any way, in civil and perhaps criminal trials.

What do you lawyerly Horde members think?

Posted by: Gref at January 11, 2024 12:51 PM (5fDan)

343
It was just another fake policy creates to INCONVENIENCE us.

The whole idea was to turn the Flu into some Big Fucking Deal that turned the Whole World upside down to affect the 2020 election.

Posted by: Soothsayer at January 11, 2024 12:51 PM (SKaNH)

344 336 strongly disagree. The push back will be greater, but the vast majority will go along. just like always.
Posted by: BruceWayne at January 11, 2024 12:51 PM (CIS44)

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Eh, they're trying it now. Only the bluest of blue enclaves are putting up any kind of "anti-covid" protocols.

I think the plandemic angle is spent without actual mass graves. They need something else.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 11, 2024 12:52 PM (GBKbO)

345 @315

>>nobody knew what we were up against. I certainly don't blame trump or desantis in this connection for the same reason.

Pfft, I'll take a backseat to no one in recognizing this was bullsh*t and an Op from jump street, having said that, the entire Op was designed to take out Trump, which it did.

Unfortunately, there really wasn't enough political courage on a lot of politicians parts to fight through it until it was mostly too late.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 11, 2024 12:52 PM (XV/Pl)

346 They brought suits before the election based on illegal changes to the law, and they were all tossed by the courts because the courts said that there was no harm done.

They brought suits right after the election, and everything was tossed without hearing the merits.

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And Trump's legal teams filed for "timely" hearings (or whatever the term is) and the judges wouldn't grant it so that it would be too late.

Posted by: Nikki Haley - Poland's color revolution makes sense when you remember Ukraine's 2022 rocket attack at January 11, 2024 12:52 PM (tT7jR)

347 We've not only achieved socialized medicine, but we've reached 3rd world status. You can tell because if you need medical care and can pay for it then you no longer go to the hospital for care.
_____

I'm beginning to think medical care in the US has been colonized.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at January 11, 2024 12:52 PM (fs1hN)

348 - Dr. Fauci acknowledged that the lab leak hypothesis is not a conspiracy theory. This comes nearly four years after prompting the publication of the now infamous “Proximal Origin” paper that attempted to vilify and disprove the lab leak hypothesis.

- Dr. Fauci admitted that America’s vaccine mandates during the COVID-19 pandemic could increase vaccine hesitancy in the future. Previously, Dr. Fauci advocated “that when you make it difficult for people in their lives, they lose their ideological bullshit, and they get vaccinated.”

- When American universities approached Dr. Fauci, he advised them to impose vaccine mandates on their students.

- Dr. Fauci denies allegations that he visited the CIA during the pandemic or influenced the CIA’s investigation into the origins of COVID-19.

- Dr. Fauci played semantics with the definition of a “lab leak” in an attempt to cover up the inaccurate conclusions of “Proximal Origin.” It is impossible for Dr. Fauci to defend the conclusion of this publication while simultaneously acknowledging that a lab leak is possible.

Posted by: SMOD at January 11, 2024 12:52 PM (RHGPo)

349 I’m pretty sure we here at AoS have spent years complaining about the GOP apology caucus.

In fact it was one of the main things everyone liked about Trump in 2016, he didn’t apologize.

There's a very big difference between being able to admit a manifest mistake, and constantly making cringing apologies for having dared to cross the masters of the Uniparty.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 11, 2024 12:52 PM (CsUN+)

350 338 No, Mr. Perot! That was your best straw hat!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 11, 2024 12:46 PM (GBKbO)

Ross Perot was right about everything, apparently.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 11, 2024 12:51 PM (xcxpd)

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Including appropriate head attire.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 11, 2024 12:52 PM (GBKbO)

351 >>293 I hadn't seen Noem in months, though I only live a medium-length Par 4 from SD, but saw her the other night on the news. When did she go to the whore look? Eyes, hair, everything. Yikes.
Posted by: Wally

Next step is the fish lips. --> See Jr's squeeze.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at January 11, 2024 12:52 PM (eYF7X)

352 335 293 I hadn't seen Noem in months, though I only live a medium-length Par 4 from SD, but saw her the other night on the news. When did she go to the whore look? Eyes, hair, everything. Yikes.
Posted by: Wally

So, she's lobbying for Trump's VP slot.
Posted by: Moron Analyst at January 11, 2024 12:50 PM (im7NQ)
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Same thing Kamala did in prep for VP, only she did the full facelift thing. All those years on her knees looking up was not kind to her face.

Posted by: Elric Blade at January 11, 2024 12:52 PM (iFTx/)

353 338 Ross Perot was right about everything, apparently.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 11, 2024 12:51 PM (xcxpd)

The giant sucking sound turned out to be Kamala. And whatever he predicted going southbound is flooding in in the opposite direction every day.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 11, 2024 12:52 PM (x0n13)

354 The Washington Times
@WashTimes
Popular car rental service Hertz announced it will get rid of 20,000 electric vehicles from its fleet because of the high cost of fixing them.

Bloomberg
@business
Hertz plans to sell a third of its US electric vehicle fleet and reinvest in gas-powered cars due to weak demand and high repair costs for its battery-powered options

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Well, that's it. The Earth will die.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2024 at January 11, 2024 12:52 PM (FVME7)

355 >>>I've never understood the ideas of voting third party as some kind protest. As of now it's Trump v Biden. If you have conservative or libertarian thoughts, great, but anything but a vote for Trump is a vote for Biden. If Biden wins don't complain about the resulting tyranny

Posted by: Smell the Glove

DeSantis has to treat Trump with kid gloves because he knows that if Trump lost, he would tell his voters to stay home. In addition, many (most?) trump supporters say they will ONLY vote for Trump, and never for DeSantis.

So you can sell your "You have to vote for Trump or you're really pro-Biden" snakeoil somewhere else. I wouldn't feel this set in my opinion if I didn't hear for a YEAR that OnlyTrumpers would NEVER vote for "DeSanctimonious."

I'm doing what they're doing. If you have a problem with that, you should have said something to them at some point over the last year.

Posted by: ace at January 11, 2024 12:52 PM (KRtlO)

356 Guy in pool is getting an eyefull...wonder if she's wearing a thong?
Posted by: BignJames at January 11, 2024 12:47 PM (AwYPR)

Can't see his hands, can you? Or at least not BOTH of them.

Posted by: Doof at January 11, 2024 12:53 PM (dIkcx)

357 he never even bothered reading the grant applications
......

Sounds like your typical government employee.

Posted by: wth at January 11, 2024 12:53 PM (v0R5T)

358 I think the plandemic angle is spent without actual mass graves. They need something else.
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They need, say, mass graves?

Posted by: Chuck Martel at January 11, 2024 12:53 PM (fs1hN)

359 If Biden does remain as the nom, which I do not expect, Trump MIGHT beat him.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 11, 2024 12:47 PM (CsUN+)

In much the same way that I MIGHT have a six-figure job next year.

I don't think it much matters who the Dem nominee is, Trump has become too unlikeable on a personal level. Even a lot of people who voted for him in '16 or '20 will not do so a third time; the Dems may not even need to cheat.

But I guess a lot of people on our side are just hooked through the bag where he's concerned.

Posted by: Dr. T at January 11, 2024 12:53 PM (bhRsz)

360 Eh, they're trying it now. Only the bluest of blue enclaves are putting up any kind of "anti-covid" protocols.

I think the plandemic angle is spent without actual mass graves. They need something else.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison,

It's just cause covid is old and busted. when the new hotness comes in the sheep will sheep.

Posted by: BruceWayne at January 11, 2024 12:54 PM (CIS44)

361 Hertz plans to sell a third of its US electric vehicle fleet and reinvest in gas-powered cars due to weak demand and high repair costs for its battery-powered options

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Well, that's it. The Earth will die.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2024 at January 11, 2024 12:52 PM (FVME7)

Seems the ICE cars have more Juice.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at January 11, 2024 12:54 PM (R4t5M)

362 You guys never had a van full of chicks kidnap you, tie you up and have their ways with you?
Happened twice to me.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at January 11, 2024 12:54 PM (J8LnB)

363 Oh Lord... We have 10 more months of this

Posted by: It's me donna at January 11, 2024 12:54 PM (n2vyf)

364 Well, that's it. The Earth will die.
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It's going to boil, first, peon.

Posted by: Al Gore, shivering in latest Arctic Blast at January 11, 2024 12:54 PM (fs1hN)

365 All of this is creating some blowback for Donald Trump, who effectively made Anthony Fauci the President-in-Fact for a year, and later bestowed upon him a Presidential Commendation for his great service.
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Which is a damned fine complaint to make in hindsight.

But at the time?

If he fired that prick, even looked like he would-- the outrage in the media and in among the Republicans of the Senate would have made Watergate look like a popcorn fart in a hurricane.
Are we forgetting the firestorm from the very mild, "I hope we can be open by Easter?"

There were easily 80 votes to convict him on impeachment if he had.
But let's pretend that there was even one single brave, truth-telling Republicans in DC who was loudly questioning Fauci making Trump the main dumdum for listening to Fauci.

Reality at the time:
Not one single Republican dared question him.
Not one single Republican stood up for us
We were on our own, crushed by the most massive propaganda campaign in history.
Every other Republican at the time was meekly cowering before Fauci.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice - Personality Commentator at January 11, 2024 12:54 PM (PFILT)

366 So why can't he win in 2024 when every indication is that he can and unless something big changes will?
Posted by: JackStraw at January 11, 2024 12:41 PM (ZLI7S)

I would add that if Trump can't beat the Steal, how could DeSantis or Ramaswami?

(I suspect Haley could beat the steal because she is one of their's no matter which ballot she is on)

Posted by: Kindltot at January 11, 2024 12:55 PM (D7oie)

367 Yea I get that . . . but by willfully destroying the entire purpose of the identification exercise, do they not see all they are really doing is identifying how utterly fucking brain-dead they are?
Posted by: Elric Blade at January 11, 2024 12:50 PM (iFTx/)
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Only to you.

To their own kind, they're signaling that they're good people. Your opinion doesn't exist (and if it does exist, it's bad and so they don't care).

It's like when a hot chick wears skimpy clothing and then gets mad when the wrong kind of man notices it. That outfit isn't for him, it's for the people in the group she's targeting. Like the skimpy clothes, the mask isn't a smart bomb, it's a nuke. It's aimed at one person (or type of person), but everyone notices it.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 11, 2024 12:55 PM (Zp1WF)

368 >>> Some other moron pointed it out a couple of days ago.

We've not only achieved socialized medicine, but we've reached 3rd world status. You can tell because if you need medical care and can pay for it then you no longer go to the hospital for care.
Posted by: Nikki Haley - Poland's color revolution makes sense when you remember Ukraine's 2022 rocket attack at January 11, 2024 12:50 PM (tT7jR)

When you read ex-pat websites and guides they go over how to decent care in south America, Philippines, etc.. Yep, that's where we're at.

Posted by: banana Dream at January 11, 2024 12:55 PM (bSSoQ)

369 Trump is still the only candidate who's correct on the border.

I think Trump's border policy was his strongest success, and I have few quibbles with it. However, DeSantis also has a very strong policy. I'm not sure what difference you see to justify your statement.

http://tinyurl.com/4um5yy97

Posted by: Archimedes at January 11, 2024 12:55 PM (CsUN+)

370 >>There's a very big difference between being able to admit a manifest mistake, and constantly making cringing apologies for having dared to cross the masters of the Uniparty.

Has Ron apologized for this yet?

>“You have a lot of people there who are working very, very hard, and they’re not getting a lot of sleep,” DeSantis said on March 25, 2020, at a briefing on Florida’s response. “And they’re really focusing on a big country that we have. And from Dr. Birx to Dr. Fauci to the vice president who’s worked very hard, the surgeon general, they’re really doing a good job. It’s a tough, tough situation, but they’re working hard.”

Posted by: JackStraw at January 11, 2024 12:55 PM (ZLI7S)

371 Really good comments.

Posted by: Can't Make gp's Shimmy Shake on Tea at January 11, 2024 12:55 PM (MvF+J)

372 353 338 Ross Perot was right about everything, apparently.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 11, 2024 12:51 PM (xcxpd)

The giant sucking sound turned out to be Kamala. And whatever he predicted going southbound is flooding in in the opposite direction every day.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 11, 2024 12:52 PM (x0n13)

ha!

Well industries did go to Mexico, in a big way. And all their hoboes are flooding north. NAFTA was a big, big con. Big as Medicare.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 11, 2024 12:55 PM (xcxpd)

373 254 DeSantis isn't going to win.
He has peaked at 10%.
That's Ron's fault for hiring GOPe retreads and running a vintage 1993 campaign.
Whining about Trump won't change that.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice

Dunno. Iowa is always a weird state to predict due to its caucus system but I don't see DeSantis catching fire. I see the political problem is DeSantis, like Ace for that matter, cannot admit things that Trump did right but are all in on what Trump did wrong. That pretty much goes for his online supporters as well. They tend to skew toward the upper part of the SES versus Trump supporters and are highly offended by Trump's political persona.

DeSantis would have done better to ignore the Trump attacks, not do cheesy things like wear the platform shoes, and be comfortable in his own persona. In essence, I think he would have done better using the Cruz strategy of drafting behind Trump instead of getting into a mud slinging campaign which excites the partisans but turns off potential new voters. His former Cruz staffers and his whale donors did him no favors either by trying to run on social issues when Ukraine, injustice in the courts, or the economy are as big.

Posted by: whig at January 11, 2024 12:55 PM (tllOr)

374 I think if he did apologize when he was obviously wrong, he'd actually gain support. Digging in his heels and flaming everyone around him is not a good look. But, Trump's gonna Trump so accept it and hope for the best.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 11, 2024 12:40 PM (x0n13)
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The problem with Trump or any politician/CEO at his level is that apologizing or admitting one was wrong becomes a signal to "the market" of weakness. If Trump were to admit his failings on COVID tomorrow, no matter how sincere or heartfelt he was, he'd be DESTROYED by the media. He *might* gain support among key constituencies, but that will NOT be enough to offset how the media will then portray him as a weak-minded fool. (Even more than they do now).

This is true *no matter* who is President.

FJB can't admit he's wrong for the same exact reasons.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 11, 2024 12:55 PM (7fElN)

375 Except Mouse Midget Mengele stated as fact: Vaccinated = protected, Unvaccinated = vulnerable.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton

Exactly! Protected....like a bulletproof vest. It's not 100% effective, and you may get slightly injured if shot while wearing one, but you're still protected, and vulnerable without one! Fauci has such brilliance, explaining complex concepts in simple terms the masses can understand. He's so dreamy...

Posted by: Branch Covidian Zealots, acting out of faith at January 11, 2024 12:55 PM (im7NQ)

376 371 Really good comments.
Posted by: Can't Make gp's Shimmy Shake on Tea at January 11, 2024 12:55 PM (MvF+J)

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Well, yeah.

Whig is here.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 11, 2024 12:56 PM (GBKbO)

377
"Admits That The "Six Foot Distancing" Rule Just Sort of "Appeared"

The "rule" comes from the command of some forgotten Medieval Lord who ordered the bodies of plague victims buried at least 6 ft. under, somewhere around half a millennium ago.

Since then, we've been burying then 6 ft. under for no apparent reason.

There has never been any scientific basis for the 6 ft. rule.

Posted by: Speller at January 11, 2024 12:56 PM (pSotA)

378 >>>DeSantis has to treat Trump with kid gloves because he knows that if Trump lost, he would tell his voters to stay home. In addition, many (most?) trump supporters say they will ONLY vote for Trump, and never for DeSantis.

So you can sell your "You have to vote for Trump or you're really pro-Biden" snakeoil somewhere else. I wouldn't feel this set in my opinion if I didn't hear for a YEAR that OnlyTrumpers would NEVER vote for "DeSanctimonious."

But surely they would have voted for him, if only he had "waited his turn" and run in '28!!!

Posted by: Dr. T at January 11, 2024 12:56 PM (bhRsz)

379 Confronted with this, Fauci now says he Made a Freudian Typo and that he was wrong at the time to say it was a "fact."

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Those in the pathological-lying & mass-murdering psychopathic biz refer to that as de "facto."

Posted by: ShainS -- Plagiarism is copying without attribution plus white cisheteropatriarchal skin at January 11, 2024 12:56 PM (OxCEH)

380 >>I would add that if Trump can't beat the Steal, how could DeSantis or Ramaswami?

That question never gets answered.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 11, 2024 12:56 PM (ZLI7S)

381 319 >> Serious question: has Trump EVER apologized or admitted error for anything?

Has Ron? Or is he just perfect?

http://tinyurl.com/yp23nxtm

Posted by: Archimedes at January 11, 2024 12:56 PM (CsUN+)

382 Popular car rental service Hertz announced it will get rid of 20,000 electric vehicles from its fleet because of the high cost of fixing them.

I recall the big hoopla six months ago when they announced they were buying them.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 11, 2024 12:57 PM (gbpxs)

383 380 >>I would add that if Trump can't beat the Steal, how could DeSantis or Ramaswami?

That question never gets answered.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 11, 2024 12:56 PM (ZLI7S)

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It does. It's just the answer is kind of gauzy.

A slight increase in suburban women and establishmenty Republicans while sacrificing the non-traditional voting blocks that Trump brought in 2016 and 2020.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 11, 2024 12:57 PM (GBKbO)

384 Not Ronnie D or OrangeManBad, I won't vote. This is PA. So, no assurances that I won't "cast" a vote.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at January 11, 2024 12:58 PM (R4t5M)

385 Our hospital has reinstituted the mask mandate for patients and visitors. They haven't reinstituted it for staff. The Chief Medical Officer that informed us of this scientifically sound idea also signs off his emails with his pronouns included.

Go figure.

Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at January 11, 2024 12:58 PM (I+ZWa)

386 Reality at the time:
Not one single Republican dared question him.
Not one single Republican stood up for us
We were on our own, crushed by the most massive propaganda campaign in history.
Every other Republican at the time was meekly cowering before Fauci.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice
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Even here among commenters, there was dissension over what to do.

Posted by: whig at January 11, 2024 12:58 PM (tllOr)

387 A Toronto man has been charged with public incitement of hatred after police allege he held a "terrorist flag" during a demonstration last weekend.

Police say the 41-year-old man allegedly waved a flag of "an organization listed as a terrorist group by Public Safety Canada" while marching through the city's downtown on Sunday.

Speaking at a Toronto Police Services Board meeting Thursday, police Chief Myron Demkiw called the charge "unprecedented," noting the "very high threshold" to charge anyone with a hate propaganda offence.

"We're not putting up with this kind of hateful conduct," said Demkiw, at a news conference Thursday.

"This type of allegation points to an extremist, hateful perspective that we do not welcome in the city."

Demkiw has not confirmed what the flag depicted to the board or to the public, saying he would "not be complicit in providing a platform to both acknowledge or promote the hateful ideology."

Posted by: SMOD at January 11, 2024 12:58 PM (RHGPo)

388 Did everyone see the Jews in NYC digging tunnels? Why were they doing that? Bolt holes?

I heard one theory they were doing it so they could hold meetings and have school during the next Covid lockdowns. Does that theory make any sense?

Posted by: bonhomme at January 11, 2024 12:58 PM (Odg76)

389 What in holy hell of all god's name under heaven and earth do these fucking retards think they're accomplishing by doing this?? Do they not understand that as soon as you take the mask off, you're exposed to everything you thought you were protecting yourself against? It's like going scuba diving, taking off the mask, and wondering why you're suddenly drowning.
Posted by: Elric Blade

The mask is simply a talisman. No different than making a straw doll and waving it at a witch to ward her off.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 11, 2024 12:58 PM (nNux3)

390
btw, lol @ the fake "booster shots"

That's like buying the "extended warranty."

Only Really Stupid people do that.

Posted by: Soothsayer at January 11, 2024 12:58 PM (SKaNH)

391 DeSantis has to treat Trump with kid gloves because he knows that if Trump lost, he would tell his voters to stay home. In addition, many (most?) trump supporters say they will ONLY vote for Trump, and never for DeSantis.

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Blacks, hispanics, union workers, etc that Trump pulled over from (D)s in record numbers in both 2016 and 2020?

You're almost certainly right. I'd be shocked if they voted for Ron or Nikki.

Posted by: Nikki Haley - Poland's color revolution makes sense when you remember Ukraine's 2022 rocket attack at January 11, 2024 12:58 PM (tT7jR)

392 I think Trump's border policy was his strongest success, and I have few quibbles with it.

http://tinyurl.com/4um5yy97
Posted by: Archimedes at January 11, 2024 12:55 PM (CsUN+)

I think that's what got him elected.

Posted by: BignJames at January 11, 2024 12:59 PM (AwYPR)

393 Dunno. Iowa is always a weird state to predict due to its caucus system but I don't see DeSantis catching fire.

I gave live updates here from my Iowa caucus site in 2016...I plan to do the same again this year. Could be interesting.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at January 11, 2024 12:59 PM (im7NQ)

394 384 Not Ronnie D or OrangeManBad, I won't vote. This is PA. So, no assurances that I won't "cast" a vote.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at January 11, 2024 12:58 PM (R4t5M)

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Bare minimum, vote in the lower races.

One way to cheat is to take people who haven't voted and vote for them. If you cast a ballot, even if you didn't vote in the presidential race, they can't do that to you.

Also, not voting in local races is silly. Do you want your decent little corner of PA to get worse because some leftist slipped through as DA, or something?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 11, 2024 12:59 PM (GBKbO)

395 "Is just everything acceptable if Trump does it?"

Replace Trump with Biden/Obama/Bush/etc. the answer is usually "Yes" if the person is partisan enough and lacks critical thinking skills beyond "My is good, is the nazis".

At this point of course, it's all moot as COVID+trump's years in office revealed the government to be hopefully controlled by technocrats who know nothing and hate to be called out as such. Unelected, unimpeachable.

Posted by: Gaff at January 11, 2024 12:59 PM (jPS2y)

396 I distinctly remember being scolded here for not wanting to vote for Mitt Romney. "If you don't vote for him, you're voting for Obama!"

What's changed? Just that it's YOUR turn to hold your nose? Or what?
Posted by: blobula at January 11, 2024 12:42 PM (GfWuY)
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Not quite following you. As bad as Romney turned out to be, he would still have been preferable to Obama.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at January 11, 2024 12:59 PM (62G7o)

397 This bikini brunette actively deplores and disrespects Fauci and all of his ilk:
http://tiny.cc/j7ezvz
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)
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Doubt it. All she's thinking is digme.

Posted by: wth at January 11, 2024 12:59 PM (v0R5T)

398 'Look into your heart!' begged the malignant rat, on his knees.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson work phone at January 11, 2024 12:59 PM (GmPfo)

399 No... I just mean Trump's odds of winning with the election shenanigans we have are low... I think the same is true for any R candidate

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I think so, too. The odds are low (due to institutionalized, sanctioned fraud) for any R from here on out. Unless something very drastic changes that.

I do know one thing. Personally, my vantage point shows that the United States in heading straight into a brick wall at 100mph, economically and culturally. I know there are only 3 R candidates I will vote for in the general: Desantis, Trump or Ramaswamy. I will never vote again for another Mittens or McCain candidate with the fear that the D is worse. We're becoming unraveled in real time. If it's Nikki, I stay home. At this point, maybe it's better to let the country plow into that coming wall and let the cards fall where they may. There's a tiny bit of me that thinks when things are bad enough, only then will good change, restorative change, happen. Let's get on with it...

Posted by: Lady in Black at January 11, 2024 01:00 PM (mupln)

400 I think the majority of the people don't want 4 more years of Biden... Not sure if they will vote Trump

Posted by: It's me donna at January 11, 2024 01:00 PM (n2vyf)

401 That should have been "My (political party) is good, (other political party) is the nazis". Mea culpa.

Posted by: Gaff at January 11, 2024 01:00 PM (jPS2y)

402 I'm surprised nobody put:
"I saw Evil Midget Psychopaths play for..."

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 11, 2024 01:00 PM (ynpvh)

403 396 Not quite following you. As bad as Romney turned out to be, he would still have been preferable to Obama.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at January 11, 2024 12:59 PM (62G7o)

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We'd have Republican flavored big government to be proud of, like another extension to Medicare, or something. Plan E! For the elephants!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 11, 2024 01:00 PM (GBKbO)

404 380 >>I would add that if Trump can't beat the Steal, how could DeSantis or Ramaswami?

That question never gets answered.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 11, 2024 12:56 PM (ZLI7S)
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Because there is no answer. None. All the circle-jerking and anal lubricating on this site -- and any other site -- over who should be the GOP candidate is just that: circle-jerking and anal lubricating. Without a real plan to stop the steal, it does not matter one drop of piss who is the GOP candidate, or who is the Democrap candidate.

Posted by: Elric Blade at January 11, 2024 01:00 PM (iFTx/)

405 >>Has Ron? Or is he just perfect?

>>http://tinyurl.com/yp23nxtm

LOL. So he regrets, not apologizes, taking advice from DC. This comes after he praised Fauci and Brix for their hard work.

Trump did not lock the country down after the initial 2 weeks. Governors did.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 11, 2024 01:00 PM (ZLI7S)

406 400 I think the majority of the people don't want 4 more years of Biden... Not sure if they will vote Trump

Posted by: It's me donna at January 11, 2024 01:00 PM (n2vyf)

The dead and imaginary definitely will vote Biden.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 11, 2024 01:00 PM (ynpvh)

407 One way to cheat is to take people who haven't voted and vote for them. If you cast a ballot, even if you didn't vote in the presidential race, they can't do that to you.

Also, not voting in local races is silly. Do you want your decent little corner of PA to get worse because some leftist slipped through as DA, or something?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 11, 2024 12:59 PM (GBKbO)

I meant voting for president. Sorry, not clear.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at January 11, 2024 01:01 PM (R4t5M)

408 398 'Look into your heart!' begged the malignant rat, on his knees.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson work phone at January 11, 2024 12:59 PM (GmPfo)

"What heart?" *pulls trigger*

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 11, 2024 01:01 PM (xcxpd)

409 Marxists know how bad Sundowner's poll numbers are, no doubt lower than the Democrats Propaganda Ministry says they are.
His Hunter baggage has to be starting to wear on him.
They keep Sundowner they will need 100 million fraud votes to keep him.

Posted by: Skip at January 11, 2024 01:01 PM (fwDg9)

410 Even here among commenters, there was dissension over what to do.

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Yep. Lots of us were berated because we were discussing actual science and other morons were angrily posting I'VE LOST COLLEAGUES TO THIS VIRUS WHO ARE TRYING TO SAVE PEOPLE'S LIVES!!! HOW MANY VENTILATORS HAVE YOU DONATED?!! and stuff like that.

Posted by: Nikki Haley - Poland's color revolution makes sense when you remember Ukraine's 2022 rocket attack at January 11, 2024 01:01 PM (tT7jR)

411 407 I meant voting for president. Sorry, not clear.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at January 11, 2024 01:01 PM (R4t5M)

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*thumbs up*

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 11, 2024 01:01 PM (GBKbO)

412
Or just abstain. I voted JOhnson in 16
Posted by: BruceWayne

Which one? Gabby or Howard?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 11, 2024 01:01 PM (63Dwl)

413 Now he's fashioned himself a defense for a future perjury trial -- he now claims that, incredibly, he never even bothered reading the grant applications for viral experimentation which resulted in millions of dollars for gain of function Frankensteining in many labs, particularly the Wuhan lab that created covid-19.
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This is just plain dumb. Forget for a moment his close relationship with EcoHealth. Forget the email traffic documenting his direct involvement in thee experiment design and defense of it. Forget that Fauci panicked when GOF was outlawed, and rushed to hold a meeting at the White House on the subject (all of which s documented).

Forget this mountain of circumstantial evidence.

His job description required him to approve these grants. Arguing after the fact he did a half-assed job, as he is arguing, means nothing. When he stands in the dock at the Hague (at least in my dream), with the freshly built gallows visible through the court room windows, this "I'm a lousy employee" defense will be ignored.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at January 11, 2024 01:01 PM (1jv0P)

414 409 They keep Sundowner they will need 100 million fraud votes to keep him.
Posted by: Skip at January 11, 2024 01:01 PM (fwDg9)

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And he'll get them. The Republican Party will respond by asking lower-middle class Republicans, hurting in the Biden economy, for money.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 11, 2024 01:02 PM (GBKbO)

415 I'm voting for Trump purely out of hope of revenge. Red, bloody revenge against the IC and the Uniparty and the Deep State.

Trump has charisma.

There's a big revenge fuck you against the people(Democrats, GOPe) who made our lives miserable with their insane Biden Free-spending Crapola in voting for Trump.

But, there's the never to be underestimated, Hollywood Ending O'Justice.

He man of the people who was driven from office by underhanded, cheating, rich, money-grubbing, corrupt and perverted robber politicians,

comes back and defeats them all!!!!

*triumphant music*

*after credit scene with Samuel L Jackson saying, "That's right, motherfuckers! Justice has prevailed*

Posted by: naturalfake at January 11, 2024 01:02 PM (nFnyb)

416 I would add that if Trump can't beat the Steal, how could DeSantis or Ramaswami?

That question never gets answered.
Posted by: JackStraw

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Nikki Haley can. And maybe will. Because she's part of the same group of globalists, and it will be bi-partisan when she signs their plans into law.

Posted by: Nikki Haley - Poland's color revolution makes sense when you remember Ukraine's 2022 rocket attack at January 11, 2024 01:02 PM (tT7jR)

417 Lol...and here we go...TRUMP THE DUMMY.

Posted by: It's too late to cry baby at January 11, 2024 01:02 PM (eheVn)

418 There's a very big difference between being able to admit a manifest mistake, and constantly making cringing apologies for having dared to cross the masters of the Uniparty.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 11, 2024 12:52 PM (CsUN+)

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In hardball politics it isn't.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at January 11, 2024 01:02 PM (cMXNt)

419 Mail voting is all about collecting loose ballots and producing fake ballots, like the truck filled with them from out of state in Pa.

Posted by: Skip at January 11, 2024 01:03 PM (fwDg9)

420 His Hunter baggage has to be starting to wear on him.
They keep Sundowner they will need 100 million fraud votes to keep him.
Posted by: Skip at January 11, 2024 01:01 PM (fwDg9)

I hope you're right... I have to say I don't hate Trump... I just wanted someone else and at first it was DeSantis though it wasn't whole hearted... Frankly I'm really not a fan of any of them

Posted by: It's me donna at January 11, 2024 01:03 PM (n2vyf)

421 They keep Sundowner they will need 100 million fraud votes to keep him.
Posted by: Skip at January 11, 2024 01:01 PM (fwDg9)
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Fire up those Xerox machines!

Posted by: DNC at January 11, 2024 01:03 PM (v0R5T)

422 .... my question about the NYC tunnels is.... how?!?!? Where?!?! NYC below sea level is basically just another NYC, upside down. It's completely full of levels upon levels of existing tunnels, basement floors, foundations, etc etc etc. There's no where left to tunnel without popping out in a shopping mall or a subway tunnel or a utilities substation, and i doubt them crafty joos are using massive boring machines to carve through virgin bedrock without anyone noticing.

Something strikes me as silly about this meme of a story.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 11, 2024 01:03 PM (9UlRk)

423 > Yep. Lots of us were berated because we were discussing actual science and other morons were angrily posting I'VE LOST COLLEAGUES TO THIS VIRUS WHO ARE TRYING TO SAVE PEOPLE'S LIVES!!! HOW MANY VENTILATORS HAVE YOU DONATED?!! and stuff like that.

Has Seattle Slow dropped by recently to remind us he thinks we killed his mom? Apparently she died of Covid and it's our fault.

Posted by: bonhomme at January 11, 2024 01:03 PM (Odg76)

424 410 Even here among commenters, there was dissension over what to do.

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Yep. Lots of us were berated because we were discussing actual science and other morons were angrily posting I'VE LOST COLLEAGUES TO THIS VIRUS WHO ARE TRYING TO SAVE PEOPLE'S LIVES!!! HOW MANY VENTILATORS HAVE YOU DONATED?!! and stuff like that.

Posted by: Nikki Haley - Poland's color revolution makes sense when you remember Ukraine's 2022 rocket attack at January 11, 2024 01:01 PM (tT7jR)

I kinda did both; talked about the science AND mention that COVID did kill some of my relatives. Now my cousin, he was a big man with diabeetus, so was exceedingly sensitive to COVID. Never pimped the ventillators, though.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 11, 2024 01:03 PM (ynpvh)

425 They keep Sundowner they will need 100 million fraud votes to keep him.
Posted by: Skip at

Ya, So?
-Democrats

Posted by: BruceWayne at January 11, 2024 01:03 PM (CIS44)

426 388 Did everyone see the Jews in NYC digging tunnels? Why were they doing that? Bolt holes?

I heard one theory they were doing it so they could hold meetings and have school during the next Covid lockdowns. Does that theory make any sense?
Posted by: bonhomme at January 11, 2024 12:58 PM (Odg76)
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They hired Mexicans to do it. Not joking. I think what they were trying to do is create a physical "link" between that old abandoned bathhouse and the actual synagogue, so that the bathhouse would become part of the synagogue. That way, they could squat in the bathhouse and still be "in" the holy area of the synagogue.

Posted by: Elric Blade at January 11, 2024 01:04 PM (iFTx/)

427 416 Nikki Haley can. And maybe will. Because she's part of the same group of globalists, and it will be bi-partisan when she signs their plans into law.
Posted by: Nikki Haley - Poland's color revolution makes sense when you remember Ukraine's 2022 rocket attack at January 11, 2024 01:02 PM (tT7jR)

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This is honestly true.

Except I think Democrats have crossed the Rubicon and simply will not cede power willingly again.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 11, 2024 01:04 PM (GBKbO)

428 We'd have Republican flavored big government to be proud of, like another extension to Medicare, or something. Plan E! For the elephants!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

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Agreed, but it seems to me the alternative is "the worse, the better" argument. And I can accept that too if that's where you're going.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at January 11, 2024 01:04 PM (62G7o)

429 What in holy hell of all god's name under heaven and earth do these fucking retards think they're accomplishing by doing this?? Do they not understand that as soon as you take the mask off, you're exposed to everything you thought you were protecting yourself against? It's like going scuba diving, taking off the mask, and wondering why you're suddenly drowning.
Posted by: Elric Blade at January 11, 2024 12:47 PM (iFTx/)

My step sister is like this. Oh, she also hates Christians because they hold "irrational beliefs"

Posted by: Kindltot at January 11, 2024 01:04 PM (D7oie)

430 The Marxists are mnot going to go clean if DJT isn't the nomination. They can't give up power no matter what the cost.

Posted by: Skip at January 11, 2024 01:04 PM (fwDg9)

431 Fire up those Xerox machines!

Posted by: DNC at January 11, 2024 01:03 PM (v0R5T)

They be smokin!,,

Posted by: It's too late to cry baby at January 11, 2024 01:04 PM (eheVn)

432 I guess that fuckhead kook judge in the Trump case got swatted. These assholes are setting something up.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at January 11, 2024 01:05 PM (R4t5M)

433 It does. It's just the answer is kind of gauzy.

A slight increase in suburban women and establishmenty Republicans while sacrificing the non-traditional voting blocks that Trump brought in 2016 and 2020.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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The 2004 route that GWB used to get to victory exists no more. We are not that country and simply put Wine moms and upperly mobile country club GOP types are not a winning coalition.

That is why in the GOP is effectively dead as it was after the New Deal until Eisenhower accepted it. The brand image itself is actually toxic. What comes to mind is weak, craven, treacherous, corrupt, and elitist. It is only the fact that the Dems are so awful and insane that the GOP even gets its marginal performance in elections.

Posted by: whig at January 11, 2024 01:05 PM (tllOr)

434 My step sister is like this. Oh, she also hates Christians because they hold "irrational beliefs"
Posted by: Kindltot at January 11, 2024 01:04 PM (D7oie)

She seems nice.

Posted by: Dr. T at January 11, 2024 01:05 PM (bhRsz)

435 I would add that if Trump can't beat the Steal, how could DeSantis or Ramaswami?

That question never gets answered.

"Trump can't win, but you should vote for him because nobody else can either" isn't the slam dunk you seem to think it is.

Posted by: Ian S. at January 11, 2024 01:06 PM (NqGS/)

436 >>Has Ron? Or is he just perfect?

>>http://tinyurl.com/yp23nxtm

LOL. So he regrets, not apologizes, taking advice from DC. This comes after he praised Fauci and Brix for their hard work.

Trump did not lock the country down after the initial 2 weeks. Governors did.

As I said in another comment, I don't fault anyone for being cautious and taking the advice of the people we assumed were knowledgeable and honest early in the Pandemic. That's the smart move. DeSantis did so, and then reopened before almost anyone else, and against Trump's wishes.

Continuing to ignore the evidence that these people are neither knowledgeable nor honest long after they've been shown not to be is where I draw a line.

DeSantis didn't. Trump did.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 11, 2024 01:06 PM (CsUN+)

437 I hadn't seen Noem in months, though I only live a medium-length Par 4 from SD, but saw her the other night on the news. When did she go to the whore look? Eyes, hair, everything. Yikes.

Maybe she's trying herself in a more honest light. She is a politician, after all.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at January 11, 2024 01:06 PM (dZVON)

438 "My conclusion has ALWAYS been Trump/DeSantis 2024, then eight more for DeSantis after that, but this position is a lonely island getting lonelier by the hour."

I was pushing something similar, where Trump resigns after two years, giving DeSantis a posssible ten years.

The second part of my scheme was to then have Trump made the director of the FIB, but given Trump's recent FIB Building pronouncement, seems stupid unlikely.

Posted by: CtHillary, dead but dreaming at January 11, 2024 01:06 PM (zSyrn)

439 His job description required him to approve these grants. Arguing after the fact he did a half-assed job, as he is arguing, means nothing. When he stands in the dock at the Hague (at least in my dream), with the freshly built gallows visible through the court room windows, this "I'm a lousy employee" defense will be ignored.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at January 11, 2024 01:01 PM (1jv0P)

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Also wasn't he the highest paid civilian employee in the Federal Government? And the things he was supposed to review affects the health and safety of everyone on the planet.

So Fauci's "I just pencil whipped it" is all the more egregious.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at January 11, 2024 01:07 PM (cMXNt)

440
419 Mail voting is all about collecting loose ballots and producing fake ballots, like the truck filled with them from out of state in Pa.

Posted by: Skip at January 11, 2024 01:03 PM (fwDg9)

Shipped by Postmen that are part of a Union that donates to Dems, and filled with Dems. Yeah, no WAY votes for Trump will get lost or transmutated into Biden votes.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 11, 2024 01:07 PM (ynpvh)

441 435 "Trump can't win, but you should vote for him because nobody else can either" isn't the slam dunk you seem to think it is.
Posted by: Ian S. at January 11, 2024 01:06 PM (NqGS/)

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It really isn't.

The solution is extralegal because our problems are extralegal. Our solutions will not come from politicians following rules and winning elections.

Our solutions will come from the people taking back their suffrage on their own.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 11, 2024 01:07 PM (GBKbO)

442 I thought with DeSantis imploding, we'd get a reprieve on election melodrama til the general. Wasn't meant to be, I guess.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 11, 2024 01:07 PM (0FoWg)

443 This is honestly true.

Except I think Democrats have crossed the Rubicon and simply will not cede power willingly again.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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Why should they in their minds GOP voters are evil and not human?

Posted by: whig at January 11, 2024 01:08 PM (tllOr)

444 @IAPolls2022
🇺🇲 2024 Presidential Election Poll

Donald Trump (R): 49% (+

Joe Biden (D-inc): 41%
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Another candidate: 8%
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@Rasmussen_Poll
| 968 LV
• D36/R33/I31 | Jan. 7-9 | MoE: ±3%

Posted by: JackStraw at January 11, 2024 01:08 PM (ZLI7S)

445 442 I thought with DeSantis imploding, we'd get a reprieve on election melodrama til the general. Wasn't meant to be, I guess.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 11, 2024 01:07 PM (0FoWg)

Nope... Only gonna get worse

Posted by: It's me donna at January 11, 2024 01:08 PM (n2vyf)

446 442 I thought with DeSantis imploding, we'd get a reprieve on election melodrama til the general. Wasn't meant to be, I guess.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 11, 2024 01:07 PM (0FoWg)

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We could talk about Star Trek instead.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 11, 2024 01:08 PM (GBKbO)

447 Except I think Democrats have crossed the Rubicon and simply will not cede power willingly again.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

I'm of the same mind. If Trump pulls it off, I expect the troops to be called out to stop him.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 11, 2024 01:08 PM (gbpxs)

448 I guess at that time many scientists working in the field felt important and flattered, working on life-and-death matters, and Fauci above all, as an experienced bureaucrat, saw the opportunity for an unprecedented power grab.

Posted by: PG at January 11, 2024 01:09 PM (gQbO4)

449 443 Why should they in their minds GOP voters are evil and not human?
Posted by: whig at January 11, 2024 01:08 PM (tllOr)

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I'm not sure if they care about us.

I think they care about their fiefdoms and graft.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 11, 2024 01:09 PM (GBKbO)

450 My step sister is like this. Oh, she also hates Christians because they hold "irrational beliefs"

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Yet it sounds like she's a Covidian?

Posted by: Lady in Black at January 11, 2024 01:09 PM (mupln)

451 I hadn't seen Noem in months, though I only live a medium-length Par 4 from SD, but saw her the other night on the news. When did she go to the whore look? Eyes, hair, everything. Yikes.

Maybe she's trying herself in a more honest light. She is a politician, after all.
Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at January 11, 2024 01:06 PM (dZVON)
........

South Dakota has a shortage of hookers and I'm just trying to help out.

Posted by: Noem ad at January 11, 2024 01:09 PM (v0R5T)

452 The Washington Times
@WashTimes

Popular car rental service Hertz announced it will get rid of 20,000 electric vehicles from its fleet because of the high cost of fixing them.

Posted by: redridinghood at January 11, 2024 01:09 PM (NpAcC)

453 The 2004 route that GWB used to get to victory exists no more. We are not that country and simply put Wine moms and upperly mobile country club GOP types are not a winning coalition.

That is why in the GOP is effectively dead as it was after the New Deal until Eisenhower accepted it. The brand image itself is actually toxic. What comes to mind is weak, craven, treacherous, corrupt, and elitist. It is only the fact that the Dems are so awful and insane that the GOP even gets its marginal performance in elections.
Posted by: whig at January 11, 2024 01:05 PM (tllOr)

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Agree, however, I think GWB mainly won in 2004 because of the fear that people still had of terrorism and the GWOT.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at January 11, 2024 01:09 PM (cMXNt)

454 I think if he did apologize when he was obviously wrong, he'd actually gain support. Digging in his heels and flaming everyone around him is not a good look. But, Trump's gonna Trump so accept it and hope for the best.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 11, 2024 12:40 PM (x0n13)
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The problem with Trump or any politician/CEO at his level is that apologizing or admitting one was wrong becomes a signal to "the market" of weakness. If Trump were to admit his failings on COVID tomorrow, no matter how sincere or heartfelt he was, he'd be DESTROYED by the media. He *might* gain support among key constituencies, but that will NOT be enough to offset how the media will then portray him as a weak-minded fool. (Even more than they do now).

This is true *no matter* who is President.

FJB can't admit he's wrong for the same exact reasons.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 11, 2024 12:55 PM (7fElN)

That's correct, Professor.

We live in Saul Alinsky's world now.

To admit mistakes would be to invite endless mockery.

Posted by: naturalfake at January 11, 2024 01:09 PM (nFnyb)

455 @355 Ace , didn't bring other Republicans into my statement. If Desantis, Hailey or Vivek is the nominee I will vote for them. Voting third party gives the tyrannical left more power . Like it or not we live in a republic with two main parties.

Posted by: Smell the Glove at January 11, 2024 01:09 PM (Yem6A)

456 We could talk about Star Trek instead.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison,

Wesley Crusher sucks

Posted by: BruceWayne at January 11, 2024 01:09 PM (CIS44)

457 Did everyone see the Jews in NYC digging tunnels? Why were they doing that? Bolt holes?

I heard one theory they were doing it so they could hold meetings and have school during the next Covid lockdowns. Does that theory make any sense?
Posted by: bonhomme

And that's another thing I didn't have on my 2024 bingo card!

Battle Beneath the Earth (1967)

http://tinyurl.com/u2jfvahd

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2024 at January 11, 2024 01:09 PM (FVME7)

458 I thought with DeSantis imploding, we'd get a reprieve on election melodrama til the general. Wasn't meant to be, I guess.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice

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He's struggling against universally despised Nikki Haley, but he'll easily get 90M votes in 2024.

Posted by: Nikki Haley - Poland's color revolution makes sense when you remember Ukraine's 2022 rocket attack at January 11, 2024 01:10 PM (tT7jR)

459 I thought with DeSantis imploding, we'd get a reprieve on election melodrama til the general. Wasn't meant to be, I guess.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 11, 2024 01:07 PM (0FoWg)

Nope... Only gonna get worse

For a few months, maybe. But we're almost at the time when the issue will be decided. Hang in there.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 11, 2024 01:10 PM (CsUN+)

460 Except I think Democrats have crossed the Rubicon and simply will not cede power willingly again.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison

I'm of the same mind. If Trump pulls it off, I expect the troops to be called out to stop him.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 11, 2024 01:08 PM (gbpxs)

Agree. To save democracy.

Posted by: It's too late to cry baby at January 11, 2024 01:10 PM (eheVn)

461 "a reprieve on election melodrama"

I'm learning a lot from it. I think when Ace disses DJT, it brings out the best from the disputants.

Posted by: Can't Make gp's Shimmy Shake on Tea at January 11, 2024 01:10 PM (MvF+J)

462 MAGA: I think I'm in love with a retard.

Trump: Is he bigger than me?

Posted by: GOP Elephantiasis at January 11, 2024 01:10 PM (ki5na)

463 441 435 "Trump can't win, but you should vote for him because nobody else can either" isn't the slam dunk you seem to think it is.
Posted by: Ian S. at January 11, 2024 01:06 PM (NqGS/)

=========

It really isn't.

The solution is extralegal because our problems are extralegal. Our solutions will not come from politicians following rules and winning elections.

Our solutions will come from the people taking back their suffrage on their own.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 11, 2024 01:07 PM (GBKbO)

Sounds painful.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 11, 2024 01:10 PM (ynpvh)

464 Except I think Democrats have crossed the Rubicon and simply will not cede power willingly again.

Same. There was that book in 2011 or so about "The Permanent Democrat Supermajority" or whatever that Obama's win had allegedly guaranteed. The DNC really believed it, which is why the 2016 election night video is so awesome. And also why they went almost immediately to extralegal means to hamstring Trump.

Posted by: Ian S. at January 11, 2024 01:10 PM (NqGS/)

465
Donald Trump (R): 49% (+
Joe Biden (D-inc): 41%
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Another candidate: 8%

==

Nikki Haley's incessant commercials tell me she's leading Biden double digits.

Posted by: Lady in Black at January 11, 2024 01:11 PM (mupln)

466 >> Why should they in their minds GOP voters are evil and not human?

Do you know many Republican voters who don't think the same about the left after the last few years?

Posted by: JackStraw at January 11, 2024 01:11 PM (ZLI7S)

467 446 442 I thought with DeSantis imploding, we'd get a reprieve on election melodrama til the general. Wasn't meant to be, I guess.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 11, 2024 01:07 PM (0FoWg)

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We could talk about Star Trek instead.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 11, 2024 01:08 PM (GBKbO)

Tank Abrams, President of Earf?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 11, 2024 01:11 PM (ynpvh)

468 The Washington Times
@WashTimes

Popular car rental service Hertz announced it will get rid of 20,000 electric vehicles from its fleet because of the high cost of fixing them.

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Related, Kelley Blue Book:

"Study: All Those EVs Save America 2 Days of Gas per Year"

http://tinyurl.com/yenfz8ta

hooray!

Posted by: Nikki Haley - Poland's color revolution makes sense when you remember Ukraine's 2022 rocket attack at January 11, 2024 01:11 PM (tT7jR)

469 Popular car rental service Hertz announced it will get rid of 20,000 electric vehicles from its fleet because of the high cost of fixing them.
Posted by: redridinghood at January 11, 2024 01:09 PM (NpAcC)
.......

Junk yards are gonna be on fire!

Posted by: wth at January 11, 2024 01:11 PM (v0R5T)

470 We could talk about Star Trek instead.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison,

William Shatner Roasts Paramount’s Attempts to Memory-Hole Captain Kirk: “It Makes No Difference to Me That a Group Who Think They Are ‘Enlightened’ Obviously Feels Threatened by the Character”

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Yeah, Bill, they talk like fags and their shit's all retarded.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2024 at January 11, 2024 01:11 PM (FVME7)

471 447 I'm of the same mind. If Trump pulls it off, I expect the troops to be called out to stop him.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 11, 2024 01:08 PM (gbpxs)

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I fully expect the PA governor to arrest rural precinct workers for holding out until Philly reports.

It could be a spark.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 11, 2024 01:12 PM (GBKbO)

472 442 I thought with DeSantis imploding, we'd get a reprieve on election melodrama til the general. Wasn't meant to be, I guess.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice
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Stories are floating around that if DeSantis loses in Iowa, he will drop out but he is not set to outperform in NH and way behind in SC.

At this stage, not sure even if he pulls off a win in Iowa that he can get momentum. The money crowd and Fox is all in on Nikki. Conservative Media is for DeSantis, and Trump is still winning with more casual voters aka low info that pay little attention to daily campaign. Trump has the brand id as the anti Republican and anti Democrat and past performance as Prezzie which is hard to displace in these voter's minds.

Posted by: whig at January 11, 2024 01:12 PM (tllOr)

473 Voting third party gives the tyrannical left more power . Like it or not we live in a republic with two main parties.
Posted by: Smell the Glove

This is not strictly true. The state in which you vote effects the validity of that statement.

Posted by: BruceWayne at January 11, 2024 01:12 PM (CIS44)

474 > I think what they were trying to do is create a physical "link" between that old abandoned bathhouse and the actual synagogue, so that the bathhouse would become part of the synagogue. That way, they could squat in the bathhouse and still be "in" the holy area of the synagogue.

That's...weird. Did they already try buying the bathhouse and the owner wouldn't sell? Several adults all sat around and thought, "Ya know, I want to hang out in that old abandoned bathhouse, but I don't want to actually take steps to do it legally or sanely. I just want to hire some people to dig tunnels for me so I can hang out in an abandoned bathhouse."

This is the kind of wacky idea Cosmo Kramer would have on Seinfeld. What would possess them to actually do this?

Posted by: bonhomme at January 11, 2024 01:12 PM (Odg76)

475 450 My step sister is like this. Oh, she also hates Christians because they hold "irrational beliefs"

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Yet it sounds like she's a Covidian?

Posted by: Lady in Black at January 11, 2024 01:09 PM (mupln)

And probably will curse "Climate Change" while freezing her ass off during the polar vortex.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 11, 2024 01:12 PM (ynpvh)

476 So you can sell your "You have to vote for Trump or you're really pro-Biden" snakeoil somewhere else.
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Heh.

I'm old enough to remember when this very blog used to snark about "Not-binary Ben"

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice - Personality Commentator at January 11, 2024 01:13 PM (PFILT)

477 We could talk about Star Trek instead.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison,

Wesley Crusher sucks
Posted by: BruceWayne at January 11, 2024 01:09 PM (CIS44)

Beverley does too, IYKWIMAITTYD.

Posted by: Captain J-L Picard at January 11, 2024 01:13 PM (AA8bA)

478 That's correct, Professor.

We live in Saul Alinsky's world now.

To admit mistakes would be to invite endless mockery.
Posted by: naturalfake at January 11, 2024 01:09 PM (nFnyb)
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FJB has the benefit of all the major media outlets supporting him if he admitted he was wrong about something. He still can't do it because of the international repercussions. Our global opponents will pounce on that immediately to undermine and weaken the United States as a global force for peace and stability.

Being President of the United States means NEVER admitting you are wrong.

I guarantee when FJB gives his SOTU speech, he's going to say, "The state of the union is strong!" regardless of the truth. President Trump will say the same thing.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 11, 2024 01:13 PM (7fElN)

479 26 Fauci needs a free helicopter ride.

Posted by: Justin Pinochet Castreau at January 11, 2024 12:16 PM (V8yYW)
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Nope. Bill his estate for all the costs involved. It's all money he defrauded from us by misrepresenting himself as a scientist.

Now do all his superiors at NIH and CDC.

Posted by: Ciampino - We need to sue them in their private capacity at January 11, 2024 01:13 PM (qfLjt)

480 The solution is extralegal because our problems are extralegal. Our solutions will not come from politicians following rules and winning elections.

Our solutions will come from the people taking back their suffrage on their own.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 11, 2024 01:07 PM (GBKbO)

I think they're a little too busy watching the latest series on Hulu and reading up on this year's dietary craze to worry about a pesky thing like "suffrage."

Posted by: Dr. T at January 11, 2024 01:13 PM (bhRsz)

481 456 We could talk about Star Trek instead.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison,

Wesley Crusher sucks

Posted by: BruceWayne at January 11, 2024 01:09 PM (CIS44)

whose cock? Worf's?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 11, 2024 01:13 PM (ynpvh)

482
This is the way I saw it... Covid 2019 was just a variation of a covid type that was running around in the year 2002. It was a relative nothing in the US news back then except to people in the health care industry - although a lot of people contracted it but it mainly was lethal to people who the common cold would kill. Gawd only knows how China fvcked with Covid 2002 in their labs to gain function.

Which is the big question about the whole ordeal; who knew what, and when? If Fauci knew all along he should appear before a World Court and answer. Then swing.

Posted by: New IP New Nic at January 11, 2024 01:13 PM (nIvob)

483 I fully expect the PA governor to arrest rural precinct workers for holding out until Philly reports.

It could be a spark.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 11, 2024 01:12 PM (GBKbO)

If there is A Spark, it will probably be something stupid like that.

I know enough history to know that sparks are generally something stupid like that.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 11, 2024 01:13 PM (9UlRk)

484 Wish I had a tunnel.

Posted by: Can't Make gp's Shimmy Shake on Tea at January 11, 2024 01:14 PM (MvF+J)

485 Donald Trump. Donald Trump. If I type his name one more time, he will appear in all his majesty to take down our foes.

Donald Trump.

For some context, Ace. On December 19, 2019, Donald Trump was impeached by Nancy Pelosi's House of Representatives. The Senate Trial took place between January 16, 2020 to February 5, 2020. It was an unremitting din of Russia Russia Russia. Everyone in official DC was lying to him, his own advisors were betraying him, The Science had spoken and the MSM had proclaimed Contagion throughout the Land. He would have be even more isolated than he already was. Not Trump's finest hour, but backseat carping is so easy to do.

Posted by: mrp at January 11, 2024 01:14 PM (rj6Yv)

486 I bought a used Toyota ICE from Hertz when I lived in Hawaii. 10 months old, paid 3K. Great car.

Posted by: wth at January 11, 2024 01:14 PM (v0R5T)

487 Now do all his superiors at NIH and CDC.
Posted by: Ciampino - We need to sue them in their private capacity at January 11, 2024 01:13 PM (qfLjt)

Ok!

Posted by: Kamala Harris at January 11, 2024 01:14 PM (9UlRk)

488 Not quite following you. As bad as Romney turned out to be, he would still have been preferable to Obama.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at January 11, 2024 12:59 PM (62G7o)

so, are we agreeing that we are facing the same choice?

Posted by: Kindltot at January 11, 2024 01:14 PM (D7oie)

489 480 I think they're a little too busy watching the latest series on Hulu and reading up on this year's dietary craze to worry about a pesky thing like "suffrage."
Posted by: Dr. T at January 11, 2024 01:13 PM (bhRsz)

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We are comfortable and not starving, which is why the general reaction to 2020 has been to simply move from the worst parts of America to the better parts.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 11, 2024 01:14 PM (GBKbO)

490 Did everyone see the Jews in NYC digging tunnels? Why were they doing that? Bolt holes?

I heard one theory they were doing it so they could hold meetings and have school during the next Covid lockdowns. Does that theory make any sense?

What I saw on Twitter is that a few people from the synagogue were following an old crazy rabbi's orders to reconnect the place to the bathhouse. The current rabbi and most of the congregation thought that was stupid and insane, and called the cops and structural engineers when they found out there were tunnels.

Not explained: the significance of the bathhouse. Had they decided the Jewish Messiah was Obama? Beats me, but it makes for funny jokes.

Posted by: Ian S. at January 11, 2024 01:14 PM (NqGS/)

491 The whole effort of the medical community to the pandemic was to establish their ability to give unquestionable orders to the government and public alike.

I don't think they were successful.

Posted by: JB1000 at January 11, 2024 01:14 PM (NBM7T)

492 "My conclusion has ALWAYS been Trump/DeSantis 2024, then eight more for DeSantis after that, but this position is a lonely island getting lonelier by the hour."

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This was once my hope. But Trump's a**holery kicked into high gear and removed that naive notion from my head. Yes, it's a fault of his that grates on me, but he is what he is.

Someone want to ring up Sara Huckabee Sanders and see if she will jump into the race???

Posted by: Lady in Black at January 11, 2024 01:15 PM (mupln)

493 Nikki Haley's incessant commercials tell me she's leading Biden double digits.

My dog leads Biden by that much, and he died in 2017.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at January 11, 2024 01:15 PM (dZVON)

494 This is the way I saw it... Covid 2019 was just a variation of a covid type that was running around in the year 2002. It was a relative nothing in the US news back then except to people in the health care industry - although a lot of people contracted it but it mainly was lethal to people who the common cold would kill...

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The secret lies with there being something like five flu deaths in 2020. That's the big X where people could dig if they were interested in finding the treasure.

Posted by: Nikki Haley - Poland's color revolution makes sense when you remember Ukraine's 2022 rocket attack at January 11, 2024 01:15 PM (tT7jR)

495 483 If there is A Spark, it will probably be something stupid like that.

I know enough history to know that sparks are generally something stupid like that.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 11, 2024 01:13 PM (9UlRk)

========

Then again, I thought boarding up the windows to the count room would be a spark.

Maybe the powers that be realized that the same as I did, and they worked to tamp down on it before it set a blaze.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 11, 2024 01:15 PM (GBKbO)

496 466 >> Why should they in their minds GOP voters are evil and not human?

Do you know many Republican voters who don't think the same about the left after the last few years?
Posted by: JackStraw
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I think the GOP base is more discerning in that it hates the behavior of leftists and what they do but still leans toward stupidity and ignorance rather than malice. That, in part, is why conservatives often blame this policy or that policy for losing elections. It is more tolerable than believing that their fellow country people are actually and overtly evil in thought and deed. That requires a very different mindset of elimination or separation rather than persuasion.

Posted by: whig at January 11, 2024 01:16 PM (tllOr)

497 "My conclusion has ALWAYS been Trump/DeSantis 2024, then eight more for DeSantis after that, but this position is a lonely island getting lonelier by the hour."

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This was once my hope. But Trump's a**holery kicked into high gear and removed that naive notion from my head. Yes, it's a fault of his that grates on me, but he is what he is.

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Wait, how did DeSantis refusing that teamup and then refusing to be anyones VP make it Trump's fault?

Posted by: Nikki Haley - Poland's color revolution makes sense when you remember Ukraine's 2022 rocket attack at January 11, 2024 01:16 PM (tT7jR)

498
Trump can be both a lying blowhard, incessant narcissist who I dislike personally and 1000% better than braindead Joe Biden.

I'd prefer DeSantis as he has proven with RESULTS to govern conservatively and not need constant petting and ego stroking to do it.

Posted by: Frank Barone at January 11, 2024 01:16 PM (+oR7L)

499 Nood fani willis

Posted by: SturmToddler at January 11, 2024 01:16 PM (nXhwP)

500 We could talk about Star Trek instead.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison,

Wesley Crusher sucks
Posted by: BruceWayne at January 11, 2024 01:09 PM (CIS44)

Oh My!!

Posted by: Sulu at January 11, 2024 01:17 PM (SYTee)

501 "Popular car rental service Hertz announced it will get rid of 20,000 electric vehicles from its fleet because of the high cost of fixing them."

So many fleets, big and small, bought those things. Reminds me of Theranos snookering Walgreens. Don't corporate buyers have any sense or skepticism at all? "Here, take our money!"

Posted by: Can't Make gp's Shimmy Shake on Tea at January 11, 2024 01:17 PM (MvF+J)

502 nood

Posted by: Can't Make gp's Shimmy Shake on Tea at January 11, 2024 01:17 PM (MvF+J)

503 I'm the only one here with a soul. You guys are just cardboard cutouts.
Cute like rabbits but no soul.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at January 11, 2024 01:17 PM (J8LnB)

504 Fauci got away with killing thousands during the aids epidemic and bided his tme until he got the chance to add to his body count.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at January 11, 2024 01:17 PM (tT6L1)

505 499 Nood fani willis

Posted by: SturmToddler at January 11, 2024 01:16 PM (nXhwP)

Getting my eye-bleach

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 11, 2024 01:17 PM (ynpvh)

506 William Shatner Roasts Paramount’s Attempts to Memory-Hole Captain Kirk: “It Makes No Difference to Me That a Group Who Think They Are ‘Enlightened’ Obviously Feels Threatened by the Character”

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He will not be memory holed, per se. I predict a strong, empowered black woman will become Captain Kirk.

Posted by: Lady in Black at January 11, 2024 01:17 PM (mupln)

507 Nood fani willis

Ewwwww, no!

Posted by: Ian S. at January 11, 2024 01:18 PM (NqGS/)

508 > What I saw on Twitter is that a few people from the synagogue were following an old crazy rabbi's orders to reconnect the place to the bathhouse. The current rabbi and most of the congregation thought that was stupid and insane, and called the cops and structural engineers when they found out there were tunnels.

Wild!

Posted by: bonhomme at January 11, 2024 01:18 PM (Odg76)

509 503 I'm the only one here with a soul. You guys are just cardboard cutouts.
Cute like rabbits but no soul.
Posted by: Humphreyrobot at January 11, 2024 01:17 PM (J8LnB)

=======

Tell me you're a solipsist without saying you're a solipsist.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 11, 2024 01:18 PM (GBKbO)

510 >>I'd prefer DeSantis as he has proven with RESULTS to govern conservatively and not need constant petting and ego stroking to do it.

At this point I'd almost like to see DeSantis have to deal with the backstabbing and frontstabbling swamp of DC instead of the friendly confines of Tallahassee.

Not only don't I believe he would get half done what Trump did I think the swamp would eat him alive.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 11, 2024 01:18 PM (ZLI7S)

511 Recent polls released as of Monday, Dec. 3.

Poll Biden Trump
Economist/YouGov 44% 42%
Morning Consult 43% 42%
NBC News 44% 46%
Fox News 46% 50%
Quinnipiac University 46% 48%

Posted by: runner at January 11, 2024 01:19 PM (V13WU)

512 @473 I live in NY, at state level Dem , but with large area of Rep, cons, libertarian voters. Just not enough

Posted by: Smell the Glove at January 11, 2024 01:19 PM (Yem6A)

513 104 Trump : "The ones that get very sick and go to the hospital are the ones that don't do the vaccine, but it's still their choice," he said. "And if you take the vaccine you're protected, the results of the vaccine are good."

Posted by: runner at January 11, 2024 12:26 PM (V13WU)
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Sure. That's Trump repeating what he was told. I honestly don't know what people expected Trump to do - just individually have divine intervention tell him otherwise ?

Posted by: deadrody at January 11, 2024 01:20 PM (OeYsY)

514 Our solutions will come from the people taking back their suffrage on their own.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison

Sounds painful.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia)
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We are heading into a whole lotta pain anyway but the Democrats have essentially went Thelma and Louise heading toward the cliff and worldwide we see the same sort of thing--Ecuador and Poland as two recent examples.

Posted by: whig at January 11, 2024 01:20 PM (tllOr)

515 I don't fault anyone for being cautious and taking the advice of the people we assumed were knowledgeable and honest early in the Pandemic. That's the smart move.

This view is so docile and servile (and preposterously naive about governmental health authorities) that I'm amazed to hear anyone say so aloud. No need for evidence; just defer to authority whenever you're told there's an emergency.

Posted by: America is Lost at January 11, 2024 01:20 PM (zuIfz)

516 We could talk about Star Trek instead.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 11, 2024 01:08 PM (GBKbO)

Like I want to hear more people argue that Picard's third season "redeems it all"

Posted by: Kindltot at January 11, 2024 01:20 PM (D7oie)

517 45 So we all had to suffer the little floor stickers in the few stores they allowed open while wearing masks that were not only useless but actually dangerous
Posted by: It's me donna

I loved ostentatiously going in the opposite direction of the arrows on the floor.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 11, 2024 12:19 PM (9yWhg)
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Yes yes. My daughter and I would do just that and also refused the mask. Occasionally we'd get nasty looks but we ignored them or smiled. We went the way it was most convenient, depending on what we needed, not the long way around for the sake of some lies.
Did you enjoy the cart handle sanitation?

Posted by: Ciampino - We need to sue them in their private capacity! at January 11, 2024 01:20 PM (qfLjt)

518 Trump : "The ones that get very sick and go to the hospital are the ones that don't do the vaccine, but it's still their choice,

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Thanks for posting that.

Posted by: Nikki Haley - Poland's color revolution makes sense when you remember Ukraine's 2022 rocket attack at January 11, 2024 01:21 PM (tT7jR)

519 DeSantis "closed florida" for two fucking weeks BASED ON THE REPRESENTATIONS AND GUIDANCE GIVEN TO HIM BY TRUMP.

When he reopened it, Trump called him and told him to close down again.

But yes, TJM, they were both equally bad on covid.
Posted by: ace at January 11, 2024 12:16 PM (KRtlO)

I'm a neutral in the Trump/DeSantis wars, but it isn't the best defense of DeSantis to say that he can be bullied into doing the wrong thing. Trump fell down there by letting his germophobia do the same thing.

Ron has been excellent overall in Florida as Governor but his presidential campaign has been poor and not because Trump's minions talk him down. He should have been able to make points regardless and reach more people.

I don't know if either can stop the Deep State before disaster strikes the country even further.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 11, 2024 01:21 PM (eoQWY)

520 508 > What I saw on Twitter is that a few people from the synagogue were following an old crazy rabbi's orders to reconnect the place to the bathhouse. The current rabbi and most of the congregation thought that was stupid and insane, and called the cops and structural engineers when they found out there were tunnels.

Wild!
Posted by: bonhomme
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Internal dispute over a breakaway sect that believes a rabbi that died in the 90's was the Messiah.

Posted by: whig at January 11, 2024 01:22 PM (tllOr)

521 Not quite following you. As bad as Romney turned out to be, he would still have been preferable to Obama.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at January 11, 2024 12:59 PM (62G7o)

so, are we agreeing that we are facing the same choice?
Posted by: Kindltot
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Yes. Hopefully to a lesser degree.

But again, the alternative is "the worse, the better" and let's just get on with the collapse and, at some point, the rebirth.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at January 11, 2024 01:22 PM (62G7o)

522 Give me a name that can do better. Vivek Ramaswamy ? Can we trust him?
Posted by: NaCly Dog at January 11, 2024 12:31 PM (u82oZ)

No. Ireland has an Indo PM, and it's descending into shithole status. England has an Indo PM, and it's descending into shithole status.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 11, 2024 01:22 PM (tkR6S)

523 He will not be memory holed, per se. I predict a strong, empowered black woman will become Captain Kirk.
____

Did you know his middle name was Tiberius? Well?

Posted by: Chuck Martel at January 11, 2024 01:23 PM (fs1hN)

524 Not only don't I believe he would get half done what Trump did I think the swamp would eat him alive.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 11, 2024 01:18 PM

Half of the reason the swamp went after Trump so badly was his lack of self control, and his inability take rational legal advise. A lot of Trumps problems were self inflicted.

Posted by: Frank Barone at January 11, 2024 01:24 PM (+oR7L)

525 We are heading into a whole lotta pain anyway but the Democrats have essentially went Thelma and Louise heading toward the cliff and worldwide we see the same sort of thing--Ecuador and Poland as two recent examples.

Posted by: whig at January 11, 2024 01:20 PM (tllOr)

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Cloward & Piven were Thelma & Louise before it was cool.

Posted by: ShainS -- Plagiarism is copying without attribution plus white cisheteropatriarchal skin at January 11, 2024 01:24 PM (qf2XD)

526 This view is so docile and servile (and preposterously naive about governmental health authorities) that I'm amazed to hear anyone say so aloud. No need for evidence; just defer to authority whenever you're told there's an emergency.
Posted by: America is Lost at January 11, 2024 01:20 PM (zuIfz)

The authority of someone who supports puppy torture experiments is the worst sort of authority to follow. The crap coming out of the "projection" science were absurd, even virulent diseases never spread that fast before man knew what germs were.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 11, 2024 01:24 PM (eoQWY)

527 Give me a name that can do better. Vivek Ramaswamy ? Can we trust him?
Posted by: NaCly Dog at January 11, 2024 12:31 PM (u82oZ)

No. Ireland has an Indo PM, and it's descending into shithole status. England has an Indo PM, and it's descending into shithole status.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

India has an Indo PM and it's never risen above shithole status.

I think a pattern has been established.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 11, 2024 01:25 PM (nNux3)

528 He will not be memory holed, per se. I predict a strong, empowered black woman will become Captain Kirk.
Posted by: Lady in Black at January 11, 2024 01:17 PM (mupln)

As long as she does a great Shatner impression, fine.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 11, 2024 01:26 PM (eoQWY)

529 "Popular car rental service Hertz announced it will get rid of 20,000 electric vehicles from its fleet because of the high cost of fixing them."

So many fleets, big and small, bought those things. Reminds me of Theranos snookering Walgreens. Don't corporate buyers have any sense or skepticism at all? "Here, take our money!"
Posted by: Can't Make gp's Shimmy Shake on Tea at January 11, 2024 01:17 PM (MvF+J)

No, they don't. The hire armies of chicks for the admin staff and put alcohol on tap so they can score at dinner, all their policies have nothing to do with improving, selling, or making their product, and they hate their actual customers for making them actually do work every so often.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 11, 2024 01:29 PM (eoQWY)

530 Well, a doctor or scientist should just shoot the fuck.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at January 11, 2024 01:32 PM (J8LnB)

531 459 I thought with DeSantis imploding, we'd get a reprieve on election melodrama til the general. Wasn't meant to be, I guess.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice
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Nah. It is 2016 all over again here only Trump and a different group of challengers.

Partisans often focus on people and ideologues focus on ideas; the rest of folks are bemused by the anger and hostility between people that agree on about 80 percent of the issues. So the fights are more vicious because the actual difference in positions are so small.

Either DeSantis or Trump are going to be fairly identical on what they can get done if they win. They will be limited by Congress, courts, and bureaucracy if they stay within normal boundaries.
The left though is thinking about a Fort Sumter moment as the shit that they have done to others makes them fear revenge of those they have wronged.

Posted by: whig at January 11, 2024 01:32 PM (tllOr)

532 The secret lies with there being something like five flu deaths in 2020. That's the big X where people could dig if they were interested in finding the treasure.
Posted by: Nikki Haley - Poland's color revolution makes sense when you remember Ukraine's 2022 rocket attack at January 11, 2024 01:15 PM (tT7jR)

Some areas in CA "reassigned" about 35 percent of the COVID deaths to other causes on the downlow in the mid summer once the panic was dying down. Bet that correction never made it to the national death stats or the mainstream press.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 11, 2024 01:33 PM (eoQWY)

533 Cloward & Piven were Thelma & Louise before it was cool.
Posted by: ShainS
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Far uglier but I would agree. But the problem with Gramscians is that they never considered the problem of governance--only of breaking down existing society.

Socialists and Marxists can never be creative societies because that requires an individualism that is antithetical to the system. H. Beam Piper in his Empire collection of short stories had an amusing one about a communist society--I think it was A Slave is a Slave and he worked that story into another story set in years afterwards in A Ministry of Troubles or some similar title.

Posted by: whig at January 11, 2024 01:37 PM (tllOr)

534 It's like you been jumping through the loops, then you realize you are human. Only a retard would continue the tricks.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at January 11, 2024 01:38 PM (J8LnB)

535 I think what they were trying to do is create a physical "link" between that old abandoned bathhouse and the actual synagogue, so that the bathhouse would become part of the synagogue. That way, they could squat in the bathhouse and still be "in" the holy area of the synagogue.

Posted by: bonhomme at January 11, 2024 01:12 PM (Odg76)

I'm a bit more doom minded but I figured the reason was to have a way to get out when the mobs, or the NYC cops or both came to get them some Jews. Didn't some teacher get mobbed up just around the time the tunneling started and had to hide in a backroom until rescued?

Posted by: Oldcat at January 11, 2024 01:39 PM (eoQWY)

536 But, Trump's gonna Trump so accept it and hope for the best.

Nope. I have a real problem with people who won't admit error, because it means they don't learn.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 11, 2024 12:43 PM (CsUN+)
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Oh for fuck sakes, stop. There's a difference between PUBLICLY admitting error, and privately doing so. The idea that DJT never admits error, and therefore never "learns" is fucking retarded and you know goddam well that's true.

I'm so goddam sick of people wishing Donald Trump's personality should change. ITS NOT GOING TO. You're no better than the "but the mean tweets" people.

Posted by: deadrody at January 11, 2024 01:41 PM (OeYsY)

537 "Is just everything acceptable if Trump does it?"

==

If I understand Trumpworld logic correctly, you must never ever question anything Trump says, and in fact you are required to accept and magnify it, or you are guilty of the unpardonable sin of "disloyalty".

Posted by: can of spam at January 11, 2024 01:43 PM (7oNMO)

538 H. Beam Piper in his Empire collection of short stories had an amusing one about a communist society--I think it was A Slave is a Slave and he worked that story into another story set in years afterwards in A Ministry of Troubles or some similar title.
Posted by: whig at January 11, 2024 01:37 PM (tllOr)

A Slave is a Slave is about a star Empire finding a planet where just about everyone is a slave, having been overrun by raiders from another planet centuries ago. Slaves run everything, but don't revolt because "Slaves have to have a master". The Master class has parties and dances while upper slaves do everything

The problem is that by Empire law slavery is illegal. The head of the legation is a leftist guy straight out of law school who starts plotting with the head slaves against the Masters but is shocked when the slaves massacre nearly all of the Masters instead and ruin his plans. They set up a Slave state under Communist lines which is all legal.

Ministry of Disturbance - A young emperor sees that the Empire is stagnating - Science is ossified, elections are fixed in local districts and economies are flat so he tries to generate little troubles to fix them.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 11, 2024 01:49 PM (eoQWY)

539 308 284 Right. Trump's "ground game". Thanks for playing
Posted by: deadrody at January 11, 2024 12:45 PM (OeYsY)

It has been argued that he and his team knew about the cheats well in advance and did nothing to stop it.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 11, 2024 12:47 PM (x0n13)
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Pure fantasy. There were lawsuits filed in many states. All thrown out because no elections had yet been held, so no "harm" had yet been done. And then, after the election, the lawsuits were all thrown out because "too late".

The people that keep arguing as if the entrenched bureaucracy, the media, and a new entity that we now know quite a bit about - the Censorship Industrial Complex - just didn't exist. Except it all DOES exist.

I'm dead serious about this - I want someone to write up their best case "alternate history" account of exactly what happened in 2020, but changing the story based solely on what Trump was going to do to single-handedly swing things 180 degrees in our favor.

Posted by: deadrody at January 11, 2024 01:50 PM (OeYsY)

540 As you point out, Biden is a TERRIBLE candidate, probably the worst we've ever had. Hillary wasn't much better, and yet Trump barely beat Hillary. So, assuming Biden is replaced, and I think he will be, Trump would face a much stronger candidate.

If Biden does remain as the nom, which I do not expect, Trump MIGHT beat him.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 11, 2024 12:47 PM (CsUN+)
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WHO ? Who in the Democrat party is actually better than Biden ? Newsom ? He's not better than Biden. DeSantis wiped the floor with him at the "debate", and his state is a third world disaster as a DIRECT result of his policies. Everyone else is less well known or worse than that.

Whoever this "strong" Democrat candidate for President is, I'm all ears.

Posted by: deadrody at January 11, 2024 01:53 PM (OeYsY)

541 "Popular car rental service Hertz announced it will get rid of 20,000 electric vehicles from its fleet because of the high cost of fixing them."

I rented one from them once and it was bad. Pleasant to drive, but the short range was very stressful and limited my plans that day.

Posted by: PG at January 11, 2024 01:58 PM (gQbO4)

542 Ground game involves having the lawyers everywhere to stop the cheat - that's what Youngkin paid for in VA in 2021...
Posted by: Nova Local at January 11, 2024 12:47 PM (exHjb)

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Where to start ? First of all, Youngkin did not win in 2021 because he was able to prevent or mitigate cheating. He won because of the incredible luck of the disastrous Democrat embrace of saying parents shouldn't have a say in their kids education, up to and including not being raped in the girls bathroom. It remains to be seen if he can get re-elected without that issue at his back. If there is some concise account of how Youngkin stopped the steal in VA in 2021, I'd love to read about it. But considering I've never heard of any such thing, I'm going out on a limb to suggest there is no such thing. But I'd be happy to be proven otherwise.

Nevermind that VA was not one of the states where the steal was beyond obvious like AZ, PA, MI, WI, GA, and NV.

Nevermind that all the lawyers in the world can't do spit if they're presenting their case in Democrat run courts like they did in the run-up to the 2020 election and afterwards.

Posted by: deadrody at January 11, 2024 02:00 PM (OeYsY)

543 This was once my hope. But Trump's a**holery kicked into high gear and removed that naive notion from my head.

Posted by: Lady in Black at January 11, 2024 01:15 PM (mupln)
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So... it's Trump being a meanie's fault that the primary race went from Trump 46 DeSantis 31 in April '23 to Trump 61 DeSantis 11 in January '24 ? That's your story ?

Did Trump force DeSantis to say Ukraine is not our fight and then take it back a week later ?

DeSantis has done all of this to HIMSELF.

Posted by: deadrody at January 11, 2024 02:22 PM (OeYsY)

544 Half of the reason the swamp went after Trump so badly was his lack of self control, and his inability take rational legal advise. A lot of Trumps problems were self inflicted.
Posted by: Frank Barone at January 11, 2024 01:24 PM (+oR7L)
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Dude, you're DELUSIONAL. The swamp went after Trump because he threatens the permanent DC bureaucracy. There were no new wars started between 2016 and 2020. The people trying to line their pockets off the military took a major hit. And you think they were being genuine because he was a loose cannon. Holy shit. They went after him because he was an outsider that didn't need their sweet grifter cash.

Posted by: deadrody at January 11, 2024 02:27 PM (OeYsY)

545 waaaa ... another DeSantis fanboy can't face the world ...

Posted by: The Dark Lord at January 11, 2024 02:31 PM (DBAaD)

546 Did you guys really believe Fauci wouldn't magically reappear to blame Trump in 2024 about 2020?!

Geez...

Birx, Pence, and the rest of the globalist hacks will be thumping Trump over the Scamdemic all year.

The American People accepted the Scam, but many of us didn't.

Posted by: Danimal28 at January 11, 2024 03:18 PM (klw0w)

547 Compared to THE MAJORITY OF GLOBALIST REPUBLICANS, Trump is a near genius.

Who was the Task Force Leader again? Oh yeah, the same guy who disappeared right before two states were going to make motions to pause vote certification...

All the bureaucrats who profited nicely from the Scamdemic took the same oath as Trump did. No other advisor except Scott Atlas was advising Trump well.

Posted by: Danimal28 at January 11, 2024 03:27 PM (klw0w)

548 It would be nice to just go straight to Nuremberg 2.0, find him guilty and then hang him.

Posted by: Joe kidtoucher at January 11, 2024 03:27 PM (W+TLY)

549 You can't spell 'passive-agressive little shit' without the letters a-c-e.

Posted by: Ace molests squirrels at January 11, 2024 03:29 PM (mMqP+)

550 549 You can't spell 'passive-agressive little shit' without the letters a-c-e.
Posted by: Ace molests squirrels at January 11, 2024 03:29 PM (mMqP+)

F--k this guy in particular.

Posted by: Jack Squat Bupkis at January 11, 2024 04:06 PM (GD2xa)

551 I work for a supermarket chain. We recently remodeled and in a dusty box crammed in a corner we found some "one way aisle" signs left over from covid social distancing. I do remember those signs going up, but never getting replaced when knocked down by shopping carts, stocking carts, or fat people scooters.

Posted by: hurricane567 at January 11, 2024 05:04 PM (uPraa)

552 Why do we use the euphemism "gain of function." That term was invented because what was actually happening, weaponization, had been outlawed. Fauci was funding Wuhan to weaponize SARS.

Posted by: Al in St. Louis at January 11, 2024 05:12 PM (XU3QZ)

553 The 6 foot rule like the 97% on Climate Change just put it all into a jar shake up the jar and withdraw a Number

Posted by: Tamaa the Drongo Bird at January 11, 2024 05:45 PM (wGqjj)

554 This is the Ken Lay defense.

Ken Lay's wife went to (IIRC) NBC Nightly News and gave an interview where she claimed her husband wasn't a crook, he was just incompetent.

The General Counsel's wife (who was herself a Houston lawyer) gave the same basic interview to The Texas Lawyer magazine.

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