Liz Magill and the Chairman of Penn's Board of Trustees Resigns

As you probably know, UPenn president Liz Magill resigned, as predicted, on Saturday.

She keeps her job as a professor of Bullshit.

Adam Carolla pointed out something about Magill's answers to the question of whether calling for genocide against Jews was against UPenn's rule -- she repeatedly said that if it crossed the line "into action," it was against the rules.

Well of course if you actually commit murder it's against the rules, Carolla exploded. That's obvious, but that's not what's being asked.

Is that the only thing that's against the rules?

That has certainly not been the only speech violation that's against UPenn's rules. Remember, UPenn told Will "Lia" Thomas' female swim team victims to keep silent about their discomfort about changing with Thomas or else face serious consequences.

Heather Mac Donald argues that conservatives chose the most expeditious path to getting vengeance on the woke left, but not the right one. And that the woke left will weaponize our mistake against us:

Critics of the American university have seized on what they perceive as the most efficacious means for discrediting academia. But though accusations of tolerance for the genocide of Jews guarantees the most media coverage, conservatives are making a mistake in highlighting that alleged tolerance as the main reason to revamp the university. This mistake will come back to haunt them.
Absent a complete turnover of university personnel, a renewed authority to limit speech will be used overwhelmingly against conservatives. Even now, Penn is weighing sanctions against law professor Amy Wax for her challenges to campus orthodoxy. Had the public consensus been that the universities' mistake was in not extending the same tolerance they showed to the pro-Hamas demonstrators to dissenters from leftist nostrums, Wax could have argued that she is entitled to the same protections for controversial speech. Now, with renewed support, even from the right, for student "safety," Penn can argue that its newfound concern for Jewish student safety requires it to intensify its solicitude for the "marginalized" groups whom Wax allegedly jeopardized with her contrarian opinions.
A colleague of Wax's has published an op-ed in the Washington Post unironically headlined: "To fight antisemitism on campuses, we must restrict speech." "Isn't it time for university presidents to rethink the role that open expression and academic freedom play in the educational mission of their institutions?" asks law professor Claire Finkelstein. However fanciful the question's premise--the universities currently honor academic freedom--it is chilling that the answer is increasingly affirmative, even from many on the right.

I think many on the right try to make the argument, which is difficult to make, that they have created this system, which we abhor and would like to see repudiated, but so long as they have this system of Safetyism in place, then Safetyism must be applied equally to everybody.

It's all a bit convoluted, I know. But everything fucking woke is convoluted.

What is the alternative, though? That I'm to support the wokies when they allow calls for genocide against Jews -- or whites or straights or men, for that matter -- and must suffer their censorship and debanking if I say anything that merely hurts the feeling of one of their protected groups?

I think Heather Mac Donald has a point -- but I think she's out to lunch to suggest that there is some strategically perfect play here.

I'm supposed to support these women who have championed the suppression of free speech on campus for their entire terms, because in this one case, supporting calls for intifada on campus, they made arguably the right, principled free speech absolutist call?

Mac Donald is making the point that by demanding Magill's ouster, we're also inadvertently supporting the idea that universities should punish unpopular speech. The trouble is, by supporting Magill, we'd also be supporting the idea that universities should punish unpopular speech, because Magill's entire term has been all about that.

So what are we to do? I just don't see a clean path to full victory here. Is there some way we can actually pressure Harvard, UPenn, and MIT to renounce their entire manner of punishing free speech going forward?

No, there's not.

So to be honest I think just sticking a knife in where you can is the only option open to us.

Well put:

It is possible to argue two things at once:
1) we should have true free speech on college campuses; and
2) as long as you are going to have and enforce "speech codes" we want them enforced equally to leftists as they are to righties.
McDonald thinks that if you argue "1", you cannot argue "2". That's stupid.It's called arguing in the alternative. Yes, I would prefer "1" in a perfect world, and I will try to fight for 1, but in the meantime i'm going to demand that "2" be applied.
I'm against a lot of the idiocy in the tax code, but I'm going to take advantage of the stuff as long as it's on the books. I'm not paying more in taxes out of "principle". The left never does, why should I?
Posted by: I forgot my name b/c I haven't posted in 6 months

Ousted UPenn President Liz Magill Lands New Gig At Hamas Institute Of Technologyhttps://t.co/BrL76Uucj1 pic.twitter.com/mgUIQuvwNa
— The Babylon Bee (@TheBabylonBee) December 10, 2023

You'll never believe this -- SNL was 1, unfunny in covering this story and 2, found a way to make the people objecting to the embrace of intifada on campuses the bad guys.

SNL has reached the "So unfunny it's funny" stage.

The have clearly fired all the Jewish writers, not because otherwise they wouldn't be trivializing antisemitism, but because no Jew could write "jokes" this bad. pic.twitter.com/qRvwalYkli
— Saul Sadka (@Saul_Sadka) December 10, 2023

Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace at 12:25 PM

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1 st!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 11, 2023 12:25 PM (aQy7p)

2 SPONGE!!! and first

Posted by: SturmToddler at December 11, 2023 12:25 PM (nXhwP)

3 One down, two to go.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at December 11, 2023 12:25 PM (u73oe)

4 Mrs Magill reminds me that Mr. Magoo would have done a better job at Penn.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at December 11, 2023 12:25 PM (oW3Iu)

5 eh, i got the sponge in.

you get to fetch...

Posted by: SturmToddler at December 11, 2023 12:25 PM (nXhwP)

6 The Others have been duly nooded.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 11, 2023 12:25 PM (aQy7p)

7 Make 'em live and die by the rules they've created. Do a Saul Alinsky on them.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 11, 2023 12:26 PM (ynpvh)

8 eh, i got the sponge in.

you get to fetch...
Posted by: SturmToddler at December 11, 2023 12:25 PM

I'll take "Phrases that would sound really sketchy anywhere else" for $1,000, Alex.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 11, 2023 12:26 PM (aQy7p)

9 Supporting one side of the double standard is just supporting the double standard itself.

Make them live by their own rules, then maybe they'll want to change the rules they made.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at December 11, 2023 12:27 PM (GBKbO)

10 I am sure it was entirely her idea, too - and no pressure was put on her to do so.

I wish she had refused. Make Penn actually fire her.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 11, 2023 12:27 PM (zxP/x)

11 Hi Ace

This is an extremely powerful video addressing this issue.

https://tinyurl.com/yunz45j4

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at December 11, 2023 12:27 PM (t/2Uw)

12 Why Penn and not MIT and Harvard?

Posted by: nckate at December 11, 2023 12:28 PM (SnxUt)

13 Her name was Magil she called herself Lill but everyone knew her as Nancy

Posted by: Rocky Raccoon at December 11, 2023 12:28 PM (/CdPy)

14 So what are we to do? I just don't see a clean path to full victory here. Is there some way we can actually pressure Harvard, UPenn, and MIT to renounce their entire manner of punishing free speech going forward?

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Make the left squeal until they organize protests to protect Jordan Peterson's right to guest at Harvard.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at December 11, 2023 12:28 PM (GBKbO)

15 Back in the olden days, challenges like this were settled rather directly. "Who owns Calahorra?"

Posted by: mrp at December 11, 2023 12:28 PM (rj6Yv)

16 12 Why Penn and not MIT and Harvard?
Posted by: nckate at December 11, 2023 12:28 PM (SnxUt)

Harvard I get as she is a member of the protected class...

Posted by: It's me donna at December 11, 2023 12:28 PM (n2vyf)

17 13 Her name was Magil she called herself Lill but everyone knew her as Nancy

Posted by: Rocky Raccoon at December 11, 2023 12:28 PM (/CdPy)

I would've thought Karen...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 11, 2023 12:29 PM (ynpvh)

18 Greetings.
Didn't she just get shuffled to another tenured position?

Posted by: gourmand du jour at December 11, 2023 12:29 PM (MeG8a)

19 Good.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at December 11, 2023 12:29 PM (xcxpd)

20 "eh, i got the sponge in."

Clearly, sponge worthy.

Posted by: Required Seinfeld reference at December 11, 2023 12:29 PM (h/xVB)

21 i will say, i'm a LITTLE surprised that snl sides with the hamas terrorists and not the fellow jewish travelers, as appropriate...

Posted by: SturmToddler at December 11, 2023 12:29 PM (nXhwP)

22 I should also note that this isn't the right pushing back on the left that's doing it. This is the left pushing against itself.

Think the threat to withhold $100 million from UPenn was from a rightie? Doubtful.

There is no "we" in this fight.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at December 11, 2023 12:29 PM (GBKbO)

23
Old and Busted = "Take my wife. Please!"

New Hotness = "Take your life. Please!"

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 11, 2023 12:29 PM (x0n13)

24 I belive many said "I don't like the new rules and neither will you" and here we are, and like Cassandra the prophecy has come to pass.

Posted by: Bete at December 11, 2023 12:30 PM (k9R3I)

25 On the subject of Jewish religious obligations, the foremost Jewish religious obligation is to call your mother at least semi-occasionally.

Posted by: SFGoth at December 11, 2023 12:30 PM (KAi1n)

26 Anti-Semites hardest hit ...

Posted by: ShainS -- CISA Cognitive Security Agent at December 11, 2023 12:30 PM (FA8N9)

27 21 i will say, i'm a LITTLE surprised that snl sides with the hamas terrorists and not the fellow jewish travelers, as appropriate...
Posted by: SturmToddler at December 11, 2023 12:29 PM (nXhwP)

Stefanik is a Republican and a Trump supporter.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 11, 2023 12:30 PM (x0n13)

28 I am sure it was entirely her idea, too - and no pressure was put on her to do so.

I wish she had refused. Make Penn actually fire her.
Posted by: Joe Mannix

This, by quitting before being fired she has allowed Penn to blame everything on her instead of admitting Penn is completely wrong in its persecution of conservatives and facilitating of 'consequence culture' in all its myriad forms.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at December 11, 2023 12:30 PM (oW3Iu)

29 Absent a complete turnover of university personnel, a renewed authority to limit speech will be used overwhelmingly against conservatives. Even now, Penn is weighing sanctions against law professor Amy Wax for her challenges to campus orthodoxy. Had the public consensus been that the universities' mistake was in not extending the same tolerance they showed to the pro-Hamas demonstrators to dissenters from leftist nostrums, Wax could have argued that she is entitled to the same protections for controversial speech. Now, with renewed support, even from the right, for student "safety," Penn can argue that its newfound concern for Jewish student safety requires it to intensify its solicitude for the "marginalized" groups whom Wax allegedly jeopardized with her contrarian opinions.

So saying goatfuckers should be killed would have been ok as long as there was no "action"?

Posted by: rickb223 at December 11, 2023 12:30 PM (ous9O)

30 Heather Mac Donald can pursue the 'perfect plan'. I just want the right to fight. Fight against the Left, against the Uniparty every time, every chance they get.

I'm fucking tired of people finding excuses not to fight.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at December 11, 2023 12:31 PM (xcxpd)

31 So to be honest I think just sticking a knife in where you can is the only option open to us.

I'm happy that Magill is now wearing the Duncecap of Shame at U Penn. She's still on faculty, but her peers all know what she did.

Posted by: kallisto at December 11, 2023 12:31 PM (dCxaZ)

32 Critics of the American university have seized on what they perceive as the most efficacious means for discrediting academia. But though accusations of tolerance for the genocide of Jews guarantees the most media coverage, conservatives are making a mistake in highlighting that alleged tolerance as the main reason to revamp the university. This mistake will come back to haunt them.

Absent a complete turnover of university personnel, a renewed authority to limit speech will be used overwhelmingly against conservatives. Even now, Penn is weighing sanctions against law professor Amy Wax for her challenges to campus orthodoxy. ...
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Which changes what, exactly? The Universities already dismantle anyone and anything that is heterodox. Only a direct and credible personal threat of dire consequences - something the rich Jews delivered - can make them budge. This is true today. It was true yesterday. It will be true tomorrow.

This scalp - and I am glad the rich Jews in a position to demand it did so - changes nothing. It has just reached the point that every single one-party political monoculture in history reaches: they have nothing left to conquer, and so turn on each other.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 11, 2023 12:31 PM (zxP/x)

33 Gay, Magill, & Cornbluth.
Sounds like a lawfirm I would NOT use...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 11, 2023 12:31 PM (ynpvh)

34 Didn't she just get shuffled to another tenured position?
Posted by: gourmand

I read she is still teaching there.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at December 11, 2023 12:31 PM (oW3Iu)

35 Magill's resignation has also triggered a response from faculty, claiming they shouldn't be at the mercy of "external elements".

Posted by: kallisto at December 11, 2023 12:31 PM (dCxaZ)

36 31
I'm happy that Magill is now wearing the Duncecap of Shame at U Penn. She's still on faculty, but her peers all know what she did.
Posted by: kallisto at December 11, 2023 12:31 PM (dCxaZ)

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*nods sagaciously*

Nearly cost them $100 million.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at December 11, 2023 12:31 PM (GBKbO)

37
Just curious, by why are JJ and Ace referencing The SNL shitshow NBC broadcast so much?

I suspect the viewership of this painfully unfunny show has to be groping around the CNN / Tater level.

Posted by: Auspex at December 11, 2023 12:31 PM (j4U/Z)

38 33 Gay, Magill, & Cornbluth.
Sounds like a lawfirm I would NOT use...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 11, 2023 12:31 PM (ynpvh)

They'll charge you out the ass...

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at December 11, 2023 12:32 PM (xcxpd)

39 27 21 i will say, i'm a LITTLE surprised that snl sides with the hamas terrorists and not the fellow jewish travelers, as appropriate...
Posted by: SturmToddler at December 11, 2023 12:29 PM (nXhwP)

Stefanik is a Republican and a Trump supporter.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 11, 2023 12:30 PM (x0n13)

Self-gassing is like auto-erotic asphyxiation to them.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 11, 2023 12:32 PM (ynpvh)

40 26 seconds (SNL thing). I went over to be sure it was shit, it was.

Do they throw you out of the studio if you boo?

Posted by: DOYLE at December 11, 2023 12:32 PM (Z8Yh2)

41 "Heather Mac Donald argues that conservatives chose the most expeditious path to getting vengeance on the woke left, but not the right one. And that the woke left will weaponize our mistake against us"

Heather MacDonald is wrong - you take the weapon you are offered and use it when it is offered to you. You do not sit back and wallow in angst and wonder if it is the "right" weapon, or if you should wait for something better.

she is also wrong when she says "Absent a complete turnover of university personnel, a renewed authority to limit speech will be used overwhelmingly against conservatives." This was going to happen no matter what, this was already baked into the cake. Nothing we did or could do was ever going to make this "Better:; our only option is to make the entire scene so toxic for everyone on all sides that eventually everyone throws their hands up and agrees to try something else.

One worries about what to do only when you have a delusion that the system can be saved. When you accept that "what to do" is to destroy this system completely, by all and any means possible, then things become quite clear.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 11, 2023 12:32 PM (i9ffA)

42 So if we say students chanting for genocide is against a school's code of conduct, the terrorists win?

Heather McD is the sort of idiot who says quashing terrorists only makes more, so why bother?

Not our hill to die on navel gazer.

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at December 11, 2023 12:32 PM (nnp+f)

43 On the subject of Jewish religious obligations, the foremost Jewish religious obligation is to call your mother at least semi-occasionally.
Posted by: SFGoth

Funny, I thought it was to become a doctor.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at December 11, 2023 12:33 PM (oW3Iu)

44 MacDonald's argument is the same old GOPe "tactic" - which is be so principled that you never win anything and never move your agenda forward.

We must not seek Magill's ouster b/c we believe in free speech and it's free speech to call for the annihilation of Israel.

What about Magill's censoring of tons of other conservative speech? "crickets chirp" and finally "Not the hill for us to die on".

It's the same as putting decorum (Nevertrump) over results. "It is far better to lose gallantly than to win as a boor".

These people are incapable of learning how to actually win in politics and move the agenda forward. They let the perfect be the enemy of the good and the "process" the enemy of the substance.

Posted by: I forgot my name b/c I haven't posted in 6 months at December 11, 2023 12:33 PM (ky+MF)

45 35 Magill's resignation has also triggered a response from faculty, claiming they shouldn't be at the mercy of "external elements".
Posted by: kallisto at December 11, 2023 12:31 PM (dCxaZ)

'A Canticle for Leibowitz' is still a best-case scenario for Earth.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at December 11, 2023 12:33 PM (xcxpd)

46 Her name was Magill, and she called herself Lill, but everyone knew her as Nancy.

Posted by: BignJames at December 11, 2023 12:33 PM (AwYPR)

47 i will say, i'm a LITTLE surprised that snl sides with the hamas terrorists and not the fellow jewish travelers, as appropriate...
Posted by: SturmToddler at December 11, 2023 12:29 PM (nXhwP)

Stefanik is a Republican and a Trump supporter.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 11, 2023 12:30 PM (x0n13)

yeah, i caught that in your morning report, see we DO occasionally read the content..., but i was more shocked that snl would highlight something that while an attack against the right, might have the effect of letting people know about the campus calls for genocide they might not have known about.

Posted by: SturmToddler at December 11, 2023 12:33 PM (nXhwP)

48 22 I should also note that this isn't the right pushing back on the left that's doing it. This is the left pushing against itself.

Think the threat to withhold $100 million from UPenn was from a rightie? Doubtful.

There is no "we" in this fight.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at December 11, 2023 12:29 PM (GBKbO)

So who is behind Harvard prez's embarrassment of her dissertation have plagiarism in numerous places?

Posted by: Bete at December 11, 2023 12:33 PM (k9R3I)

49 >I wish she had refused. Make Penn actually fire her.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 11, 2023 12:27 PM (zxP/x)

That would have required Liz to display courage, which she clearly lacks.

Posted by: Heavy Meta at December 11, 2023 12:33 PM (GTqXr)

50 Why Penn and not MIT and Harvard?

Because Magill was the 800-pound gorilla in the room.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 11, 2023 12:33 PM (JrojV)

51 SNL hasn't been funny since the late 1970s. The got rid of all the jewish writers and now the writers flounce around in Hugo Boss uniforms.

Posted by: Archer at December 11, 2023 12:33 PM (gmo/4)

52 Mac Donald is making the point that by demanding Magill's ouster, we're also inadvertently supporting the idea that universities should punish unpopular speech. The trouble is, by supporting Magill, we'd also be supporting the idea that universities should punish unpopular speech, because Magill's entire term has been all about that.
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Precisely. The *real* solution is to dismantle the universities. There is no political will to do so at the moment, so in the meantime I will kick back and enjoy the spectacle of various leftists cutting each other to ribbons.

They will eventually be destroyed or will decay into a rotten corpse. Monocultures always do. Nothing can save a truly rotten institution, and American academia is truly rotten. It can be pushed over into a dust heap or allowed to rot in place. It is choosing to rot in place.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 11, 2023 12:33 PM (zxP/x)

53 38 33 Gay, Magill, & Cornbluth.
Sounds like a lawfirm I would NOT use...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 11, 2023 12:31 PM (ynpvh)

They'll charge you out the ass...

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at December 11, 2023 12:32 PM (xcxpd)

So you're sayin' I'd be Cornholed?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 11, 2023 12:33 PM (ynpvh)

54 I think Heather Mac Donald has a point -- but I think she's out to lunch to suggest that there is some strategically perfect play here.

Heather, you really should have a strategically perfect plan in place before you act. Otherwise, you might not get what you want. It's usually better just to sit absolutely still and do nothing whatsoever.

Posted by: Matt Gaetz at December 11, 2023 12:33 PM (CsUN+)

55 Out of hills and fucks to give over here, boss.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at December 11, 2023 12:34 PM (R4t5M)

56 Hahaha...and stoopid people pay big money to go to these big kolleges and most of them come out confused.

That should be a SNL skit.

Idiots.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 11, 2023 12:34 PM (mQ8ar)

57 Her hate speech is free speech, H8rz!!

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in solidarity with the struggle to maintain Moron standards at December 11, 2023 12:34 PM (R6b5X)

58 Crazy Quakers, what won't they do?

Posted by: Pudinhead at December 11, 2023 12:34 PM (ntk8v)

59 If you're standing up for free speech in the case, and ONLY in the case, of anti-Semites talking about committing genocide, people are going to doubt free speech is your primary concern here.

Posted by: Dr. T at December 11, 2023 12:34 PM (bhRsz)

60 I'm posting again because I was so impressed by the way he totally destroys these University Presidents.

https://tinyurl.com/yunz45j4

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at December 11, 2023 12:34 PM (t/2Uw)

61 48 So who is behind Harvard prez's embarrassment of her dissertation have plagiarism in numerous places?
Posted by: Bete at December 11, 2023 12:33 PM (k9R3I)

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$5 says Gay easily survives that, that she won't resign, and that she knows she just needs to survive the news cycle.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at December 11, 2023 12:34 PM (GBKbO)

62 Gay, Magill, & Cornbluth.
Sounds like a lawfirm I would NOT use...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 11, 2023 12:31 PM (ynpvh)

They'll charge you out the ass...

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at December 11, 2023 12:32 PM (xcxpd)

So you're sayin' I'd be Cornholed?
Posted by: jim

Until it was blu.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 11, 2023 12:35 PM (ous9O)

63 Lorne Michaels is a self-gasser, and I'd wish he'd hurry up about it.

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at December 11, 2023 12:35 PM (nnp+f)

64 Magill's resignation has also triggered a response from faculty, claiming they shouldn't be at the mercy of "external elements".

Excellent. Please immediately remit all federal expenditures, including tuition assistance and research grants.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 11, 2023 12:35 PM (CsUN+)

65 59 If you're standing up for free speech in the case, and ONLY in the case, of anti-Semites talking about committing genocide, people are going to doubt free speech is your primary concern here.
Posted by: Dr. T at December 11, 2023 12:34 PM (bhRsz)

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"Will you protect the rights of students to say 'a woman is a woman', or nah?"

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at December 11, 2023 12:35 PM (GBKbO)

66 So to be honest I think just sticking a knife in where you can is the only option open to us.
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Even that is rarely an option. There are no conservatives (or even any non-progs) anywhere in American academia. There's nobody to plunge the knife in the first place.

The capture is long since completed. The only ones in a position to do any knifing are those in the Prog complex. And they will. They will knife each other with gleeful abandon.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 11, 2023 12:35 PM (zxP/x)

67 >35 Magill's resignation has also triggered a response from faculty, claiming they shouldn't be at the mercy of "external elements".

Posted by: kallisto at December 11, 2023 12:31 PM (dCxaZ)

Pearl status:
[ ] unclutched
[X] clutched

Posted by: Heavy Meta at December 11, 2023 12:35 PM (GTqXr)

68 Magill's resignation has also triggered a response from faculty, claiming they shouldn't be at the mercy of "external elements".
Posted by: kallisto

Recalls Ace's term of 'Consequences Culture'.

I had a 'eh' view of tenue for far too many years. In the last decade or two - I don't want to be at the mercy of folks in an org that can't be fired.

Posted by: Required Seinfeld reference at December 11, 2023 12:35 PM (h/xVB)

69 What did ole Heather opine about Gaetz? Did she want to know "the plan" by any chance?

Posted by: DOYLE at December 11, 2023 12:35 PM (Z8Yh2)

70 Posted by: I forgot my name b/c I haven't posted in 6 months at December 11, 2023 12:33 PM (ky+MF)

I believe you should be able to say anything as long as it's not a threat or defamation. That being said, they made the rules, so they must be made to suffer by them until the rules are changed or abolished.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 11, 2023 12:36 PM (ynpvh)

71 Hire GMU's pres - has been a free speech absolutist...and happens to be a liberal black man.

I guess it helps when your law school was funded with some Scalia family money for you to remember 1st amendment rights for everything...

It gets a green speech code rating from FIRE. Probably one of the few VA public schools to get one...and is 8th out of 248 in the FIRE rankings nationwide...

Posted by: Nova Local at December 11, 2023 12:36 PM (exHjb)

72 Magill's resignation has also triggered a response from faculty, claiming they shouldn't be at the mercy of "external elements".
Posted by: kallisto at December 11, 2023 12:31 PM (dCxaZ)
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Cut off all federal research dollars and then see how much they squeal.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at December 11, 2023 12:36 PM (7fElN)

73 UPenn's not the boy-rape-enthusiast one, that's Penn State, right? Although with the Hamas support they've probably crossed indirectly into boy-rape-enthusiast territory.

Posted by: If they'd called for genocide of the trannies, they'd have been expelled at December 11, 2023 12:36 PM (wtpA4)

74 Magill will receive a sinecure elsewhere in short order. The other side takes care of their own, so "making them play their own rules" is a losers game. MacDonald is on the mark.

The proper course is to not live in the same political association with these people.

Posted by: No thanks at December 11, 2023 12:36 PM (/2UhC)

75 Funny, I thought it was to become a doctor.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at December 11, 2023 12:33 PM (oW3Iu)
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Correct. Then your mother calls you.

Incessantly!

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at December 11, 2023 12:36 PM (PTdof)

76 0 So what are we to do? I just don't see a clean path to full victory here. Is there some way we can actually pressure Harvard, UPenn, and MIT to renounce their entire manner of punishing free speech going forward?

Part of me still wants to believe if we had someone nasty enough, the "Warrior We Need", he'd have everyone quaking in their boots enough to fall in line.

The more realistic part of me realizes that anyone who COULD be the "Warrior We Need" would very quickly become a tyrant himself.

Posted by: XTC at December 11, 2023 12:36 PM (sm6Pk)

77 This, by quitting before being fired she has allowed Penn to blame everything on her instead of admitting Penn is completely wrong in its persecution of conservatives and facilitating of 'consequence culture' in all its myriad forms.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at December 11, 2023 12:30 PM (oW3Iu)
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Of course. She's still a good Party member. She will also be taken care of. Look for some interviews, a "Ted Talk" and probably a book to come out. She's fine. She did her duty to the Party.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 11, 2023 12:36 PM (zxP/x)

78 Good for Dr. Phil.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at December 11, 2023 12:36 PM (R4t5M)

79 47 yeah, i caught that in your morning report, see we DO occasionally read the content..., but i was more shocked that snl would highlight something that while an attack against the right, might have the effect of letting people know about the campus calls for genocide they might not have known about.
Posted by: SturmToddler at December 11, 2023 12:33 PM (nXhwP)

I really think that a) they're knee-jerk and don't fully understand the consequences of attacking people blindly, even if it means supporting anti-Semitism, and b) they are all of an age and mindset that has warped their perceptions of Israel and America and everything that is good since that is what they believe of themselves.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 11, 2023 12:36 PM (x0n13)

80 I think any arguments about the right path to use overlooks the fact that the Right is completely defeated politically in all but a small proportion of the country.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at December 11, 2023 12:37 PM (IwwlF)

81 Her name was Magill, and she called herself Lill, but everyone knew her as Nancy.
Posted by: BignJames at December 11, 2023 12:33 PM (AwYPR)

In this instance "Nazi' rhymes better.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 11, 2023 12:37 PM (aNACl)

82 Unfortunately one kollige president is a drop in a bucket of slime. But it's a start I guess.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at December 11, 2023 12:37 PM (FCbAQ)

83 yeah, i caught that in your morning report, see we DO occasionally read the content..., but i was more shocked that snl would highlight something that while an attack against the right, might have the effect of letting people know about the campus calls for genocide they might not have known about.
Posted by: SturmToddler at December 11, 2023 12:33 PM (nXhwP)

Attacking Republicans is literally all they know how to do. They can't write, they can't act....even if they were aware of the irony here (which I doubt), they probably would have gone for it anyway.

Posted by: Dr. T at December 11, 2023 12:37 PM (bhRsz)

84 66 The capture is long since completed. The only ones in a position to do any knifing are those in the Prog complex. And they will. They will knife each other with gleeful abandon.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 11, 2023 12:35 PM (zxP/x)

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Humans need conflict. If you're surrounded by people of the same party and ideology, you'll find conflict with them.

It's why small churches split, why football fans argue about who's the best quarterback, and why Soviet authorities tried to kill each other.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at December 11, 2023 12:37 PM (GBKbO)

85 Liz Magill will receive numerous offers from leftist NGO's and become a high paid speaker where she will blame her dismissal on the far right, MAGA and Fox news, who are the real anti- semites.

Posted by: Ripley at December 11, 2023 12:37 PM (JojsZ)

86 57 Her hate speech is free speech, H8rz!!

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in solidarity with the struggle to maintain Moron standards at December 11, 2023 12:34 PM (R6b5X)

Her "enforcement" of the rules is not.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 11, 2023 12:37 PM (ynpvh)

87 Magill-a the Gorilla

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at December 11, 2023 12:37 PM (R4t5M)

88 >>> Heather Mac Donald can pursue the 'perfect plan'. I just want the right to fight. Fight against the Left, against the Uniparty every time, every chance they get.
I'm fucking tired of people finding excuses not to fight.

she is definitely a fighter. I just don't see how we can support Magill and advance our position

Posted by: ace at December 11, 2023 12:37 PM (KRtlO)

89 It was nice to see Magill forced to resign her leadership post at Penn. I think it's doubtful whether Harvard can even admit they were wrong. As to MIT President Sally Kornbluth: MIT has become thoroughly islamacized. They now cater to middle eastern students from oil states who pay full tuition and who support all the administrators salaries, so they are glad to say Death to the Jews. (Big ties to Qatar, I think)

I don't think Kornbluth is going anywhere.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 11, 2023 12:38 PM (i9ffA)

90 Magill's resignation has also triggered a response from faculty, claiming they shouldn't be at the mercy of "external elements".

Posted by: kallisto at December 11, 2023 12:31 PM (dCxaZ)

Uh huh. Nobody's entitled to $100 million a year pledges from donors, bitches. You take the king's gold you play the king's tune.

Posted by: Don't want to be beholden? Don't be beholden. at December 11, 2023 12:38 PM (wtpA4)

91 It is, indeed, a convoluted situation, with more loops and coils than a French horn. I'm just glad that my college days are way behind me (and that my children opted to go the trades route instead of matriculating, uselessly, for four years at F.U. or Gargantuan State).

Posted by: Paco at December 11, 2023 12:38 PM (njExo)

92 So to be honest I think just sticking a knife in where you can is the only option open to us.

------------

"They drew first blood, sir!"

-- Stuff Jefferson Said, Vol. II

Posted by: ShainS -- CISA Cognitive Security Agent at December 11, 2023 12:38 PM (FA8N9)

93 It is possible to argue two things at once:

1) we should have true free speech on college campuses; and

2) as long as you are going to have and enforce "speech codes" we want them enforced equally to leftists as they are to righties.

McDonald thinks that if you argue "1", you cannot argue "2". That's stupid.It's called arguing in the alternative. Yes, I would prefer "1" in a perfect world, and I will try to fight for 1, but in the meantime i'm going to demand that "2" be applied.

I'm against a lot of the idiocy in the tax code, but I'm going to take advantage of the stuff as long as it's on the books. I'm not paying more in taxes out of "principle". The left never does, why should I?

Posted by: I forgot my name b/c I haven't posted in 6 months at December 11, 2023 12:38 PM (ky+MF)

94 67 >35 Magill's resignation has also triggered a response from faculty, claiming they shouldn't be at the mercy of "external elements".

Posted by: kallisto at December 11, 2023 12:31 PM (dCxaZ)

Pearl status:
[ ] unclutched
[X] clutched

Posted by: Heavy Meta at December 11, 2023 12:35 PM (GTqXr)

I thought most kids these days didn't know how to use a clutch...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 11, 2023 12:38 PM (ynpvh)

95 magill actually keeps her job as professor of bullshit (whatever, something gay). She just resigned from the position of president.

Posted by: ace at December 11, 2023 12:38 PM (KRtlO)

96
Biden in Philly again today for some stupid reason. He sure spends a lot of time campaigning here.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at December 11, 2023 12:39 PM (enJYY)

97 History rhymes again. The Nazis found many kindred spirits at elite german universities in the late 1920s, early 1930s.

Posted by: Archer at December 11, 2023 12:39 PM (gmo/4)

98 $5 says Gay easily survives that, that she won't resign, and that she knows she just needs to survive the news cycle.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at December 11, 2023 12:34 PM (GBKbO)

Yeah, no way I'm taking that bet. Can't afford to lose $5 with Bidennomics.

Posted by: Bete at December 11, 2023 12:39 PM (k9R3I)

99 Cut off all ~~federal research~~ dollars and then see how much they squeal.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at December 11, 2023 12:36 PM (7fElN)

fify

Posted by: BignJames at December 11, 2023 12:39 PM (AwYPR)

100 I don't understand why Ace struggles to understand/accept this. The most important thing is that the rules apply to everyone. That's far more important than what the rules actually are. If the rules don't apply to everyone, there's never ANY limit on how bad those rules can be or how viciously they can be applied.

Posted by: MBunge at December 11, 2023 12:39 PM (2tWdQ)

101 88 she is definitely a fighter. I just don't see how we can support Magill and advance our position
Posted by: ace at December 11, 2023 12:37 PM (KRtlO)

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By saying, "I support actual free speech absolutists. Magill is not. She's a shitstain out to protect her job who happily would kick a conservative out of college for using the 'wrong' pronouns. Because I am a free speech absolutist, I support the punishment of those who oppose free speech for all."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at December 11, 2023 12:39 PM (GBKbO)

102 I'm always reluctant to increase governmental power, but given that the government and academia have both outright declared the intention to subvert the recent SCOTUS ruling on race preferences in college admissions, I endorse Stephen Porter's call for mandatory standardized testing for all college admissions.

Perhaps we should apply the same rule to college presidents.

https://tinyurl.com/4k6fcz6a

Posted by: Archimedes at December 11, 2023 12:39 PM (CsUN+)

103 Magill's resignation has also triggered a response from faculty, claiming they shouldn't be at the mercy of "external elements".

Posted by: kallisto at December 11, 2023 12:31 PM (dCxaZ)

So, the faculty want all the freedoms without the responsibility and accountability. Gotcha.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 11, 2023 12:40 PM (N39Ws)

104 SNL hasn't been funny since the late 1970s. The got rid of all the jewish writers and now the writers flounce around in Hugo Boss uniforms.
Posted by: Archer at December 11, 2023 12:33 PM

Ve are right here, you know.

Posted by: Hans und Franz at December 11, 2023 12:40 PM (aQy7p)

105 So what are we to do? I just don't see a clean path to full victory here. Is there some way we can actually pressure Harvard, UPenn, and MIT to renounce their entire manner of punishing free speech going forward?

No, there's not.
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Money, and the political will to use money. That political will is not there. It might never be there, but it would be relatively easy to solve this problem with money - or, rather, its absence.

Don't bother regulating the universities. Just cut them off. No more federal dollars to universities outside of narrow defense research activities with defined ends. No student grants, either. No more federal student loans. No more student loan exemptions in the bankruptcy code. No more carve-outs at all, period.

At least two thirds of schools go bankrupt within five years if that happens. Harvard never will, but if the gloves truly come off, the endowments can be taxed.

The problem isn't Harvard or UPenn or MIT, the problem is the entire academic complex. Just cut off the money and let it collapse into rubble. No muss, no fuss.

The only component missing is the political will to do so - because Washington is somehow even more corrupt than Academia

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 11, 2023 12:40 PM (zxP/x)

106 "So to be honest I think just sticking a knife in where you can is the only option open to us."

Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace at 12:25 PM

Abso-f*cking-lutely!

Chaos is the best outcome. Gum up the works and show the country that leftist plans cannot work.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 11, 2023 12:40 PM (sM1IA)

107 You'll never believe this -- SNL was 1, unfunny in covering this story and 2, found a way to make the people objecting to the embrace of intifada on campuses the bad guys.

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*gasps*

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at December 11, 2023 12:40 PM (GBKbO)

108 88 she is definitely a fighter. I just don't see how we can support Magill and advance our position
Posted by: ace at December 11, 2023 12:37 PM (KRtlO)

Agreed. Doing nothing at all is worse than taking an action that in theory could redound on us as well.. Massengill being shitcanned doesn't solve the problem considering the entire faculty, Amy Wax notwithstanding, and the college itself is all of the same mindset. But it's a shot across the bow at the very least that must be taken. Every time. And in every situation.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 11, 2023 12:40 PM (x0n13)

109 83 yeah, i caught that in your morning report, see we DO occasionally read the content..., but i was more shocked that snl would highlight something that while an attack against the right, might have the effect of letting people know about the campus calls for genocide they might not have known about.
Posted by: SturmToddler at December 11, 2023 12:33 PM (nXhwP)

Amazingly, the Congressional hearings and Stefanik's questioning have broken through into the publics consciousness more powerfully than any congressional hearing by either party in years. I have been very surprised by that, it hit a nerve, and a lot of us have been able to say "SEE WE TOLD YOU SO!!!!"

I could tell when "X" exploded immediately after the hearings, and stayed on it, even though the MSM tried to deflect. SNL jumped on it because they were trying to neutralize the blowback, but they failed.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 11, 2023 12:41 PM (i9ffA)

110 magill actually keeps her job as professor of bullshit (whatever, something gay). She just resigned from the position of president.
Posted by: ace at December 11, 2023 12:38 PM

And will undoubtedly be considered a martyr by all of academia and the left (birm).

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 11, 2023 12:41 PM (aQy7p)

111 59 If you're standing up for free speech in the case, and ONLY in the case, of anti-Semites talking about committing genocide, people are going to doubt free speech is your primary concern here.
Posted by: Dr. T at December 11, 2023 12:34 PM (bhRsz)

Yeah, but some of us have been trying to speak out about how certain groups, including our government, have talked about White Men.... so called Nationalists... for years now... and have often been shut down BY PEOPLE WHO ARE ON OUR OWN SIDE.

I guess White Men are not enough of a minority yet, to get victim status.

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 11, 2023 12:41 PM (xaFKb)

112 Stop thinking rules of debate. Stop thinking general principles.

We are in an ideological war. The goal is to damage and ultimately defeat the left.

Right now the left is busy trying to justify genocide against Jews and Jews leftists are, not surprisingly, fighting back against this.

We want to highlight this conflict as much as possible so that the normies know about it, and since leftist Jews are the weaker party help them against the left as a whole.

But again - this is war. The left has given us a weapon. Their primary weapon ironically. We should use it as long and hard as we can.

Posted by: 18-1 at December 11, 2023 12:41 PM (XqcwY)

113 Calling for murder of a group of people if not " protected speech" according to the ruling by SCOTUS. Theoretically they could be prosecuted.

Posted by: vic at December 11, 2023 12:41 PM (A5THL)

114 What is it about conservatives like MacDonald, etc. and the whole "Don't let's be beastly to the left!" schtick?"

They are making some imbecilic equivalence argument about conservatives' needed actions taken to live in a moral society and the ghastly immoral actions of the left - its become pathetic and nauseating.

Posted by: Boswell at December 11, 2023 12:42 PM (K+UlC)

115 93
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Posted by: I forgot my name b/c I haven't posted in 6 months at December 11, 2023 12:38 PM (ky+MF)

Yup. That's my view. Applied until they bleed from it and shout "Uncle" on those rules.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 11, 2023 12:42 PM (ynpvh)

116 Funny, I thought it was to become a doctor.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron

Then I failed. But I do call my mother every few weeks though she only really wants updates on the big, feral orange and white cat who visits me every so often.

Posted by: SFGoth at December 11, 2023 12:42 PM (KAi1n)

117 It was nice to see Magill forced to resign her leadership post at Penn. I think it's doubtful whether Harvard can even admit they were wrong.

Gay has admitted she handled the situation poorly. Great, now fall on your sword and begone!

Posted by: Archimedes at December 11, 2023 12:42 PM (CsUN+)

118
"They drew first blood, sir!"

-- Stuff Jefferson Said, Vol. II
Posted by: ShainS -- CISA Cognitive Security Agent at December 11, 2023 12:38 PM (FA8N9)

I taught him to ignore pain. To eat things that would make a billy goat puke. To do just one thing. Kill. Period!

Posted by: Col. Trautman at December 11, 2023 12:42 PM (wtpA4)

119 Magill's resignation has also triggered a response from faculty, claiming they shouldn't be at the mercy of "external elements".
Posted by: kallisto at December 11, 2023 12:31 PM (dCxaZ)
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Where do they think the money comes from? Where do they think that their universities are? Do they think they're in a magical vacuum?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 11, 2023 12:42 PM (zxP/x)

120 Magill's resignation has also triggered a response from faculty, claiming they shouldn't be at the mercy of "external elements"

Translation: Give us your money and STFU.

Posted by: Halfhand at December 11, 2023 12:43 PM (E+3bw)

121 Ok you win. No more speech for anyone.
- Colleges

Posted by: Montec at December 11, 2023 12:43 PM (Tll0L)

122 Did any of the men resign? MIT? Harvard? Just curious if she was the only one pinned with a Scarlet Letter A?

Actually yes, Scott Bok resigned. Penn BOT chairperson.

money talks call your alma mater and raise hell against these presidents! She cost the University way more than she was ever worth as a CEO.

Mincing words to cover prejudice is a failure. Calling for he extermination of people because of their faith is still being debated nearly 80 years after after WW II. Sounds like Trump after Charlottesville. Let's not forget "Jews will not replace us." There are no good Nazis.

Still on campus getting a big salary as a law professor...

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at December 11, 2023 12:43 PM (L21aH)

123 Parable of the Pigtails:

A young son complained to his mother that his bratty sister has been yanking at his hair repeatedly. The mother replied, "She is young, and just doesn't understand."

The next day, the boy cried out in the next room. The boy then ran in and complained once more to his mother that his sister had yanked his hair repeatedly. The mother again replied, "She is young, and just doesn't understand."

The day after that, the boy cried out in the next room. Soon after, the girl screamed, and the mother than ran into the next room to find both her children in pain and distress. The boy, looking pained but satisfied, told his mother, "She understands now!"

Posted by: Another Anon at December 11, 2023 12:43 PM (hwP7U)

124 The left on campuses were already punishing conservative thought. Any criticism of the left's pet causes is "hate speech", and speech is "actual violence!"

This highlights that the only students not allowed to be special snowflakes, and have others banned for hate speech aka "violence" against them, are Jews, Christians, and conservatives.

Even if there's not a clear path forward, highlighting that ugliness and hypocrisy is important. And the fact it's causing the ivory tower actual financial pain from fleeing donors and fired presidents is chef's kiss.

Posted by: LizLem at December 11, 2023 12:43 PM (kuSTV)

125 500 Harvard faculty have signed a letter in support of university president Gay Urkel.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at December 11, 2023 12:43 PM (woPEM)

126 Where do they think the money comes from? Where do they think that their universities are? Do they think they're in a magical vacuum?
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 11, 2023 12:42 PM

Federal funding of one kind or another. So not really outside their ideological bubble.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 11, 2023 12:44 PM (aQy7p)

127 Just want to point out, this mess that uni pres created is not about free speech, but the uni code of conduct, that the unis enforced on some some and not on others and anti bullying and harassment, that they also enforced on some but not others.

Posted by: runner at December 11, 2023 12:44 PM (whF9C)

128 I really think that a) they're knee-jerk and don't fully understand the consequences of attacking people blindly, even if it means supporting anti-Semitism, and b) they are all of an age and mindset that has warped their perceptions of Israel and America and everything that is good since that is what they believe of themselves.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 11, 2023 12:36 PM (x0n13)

that's fair. and i think it makes good sense. thanks JJ.

Posted by: SturmToddler at December 11, 2023 12:44 PM (nXhwP)

129 119 Where do they think the money comes from? Where do they think that their universities are? Do they think they're in a magical vacuum?
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 11, 2023 12:42 PM (zxP/x)

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Trees. The only place that matters. Yes.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at December 11, 2023 12:44 PM (GBKbO)

130 113 Calling for murder of a group of people if not " protected speech" according to the ruling by SCOTUS. Theoretically they could be prosecuted.

Posted by: vic at December 11, 2023 12:41 PM (A5THL)

Hyperbole is protected. So is sarcasm. Might be a tough case to build short of that same person sending monies to terrorists or arming up for a terrorist attack.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 11, 2023 12:44 PM (ynpvh)

131 The abhorrent part of their "free speech" is not just the Jew hate, it is the support for savage terrorists.

idk how Woke administrators punish free speech of conservatives, but certainly to get the government funding and publishing rights requires bowing to the global warming scam, and the proper pronouns lunacy.

And Coulter and others can hardly have a meeting on most campuses. Because our speech is violence, their violence is speech (still true, as worn out as that phrase may be)

Posted by: illiniwek at December 11, 2023 12:44 PM (Cus5s)

132 So Dartmouth College has a new president, also a woman, *sigh*

Sian Beilock. Does anyone know if she's been an asshole yet?

Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at December 11, 2023 12:44 PM (Mzdiz)

133 Hahaha...and stoopid people pay big money to go to these big kolleges and most of them come out confused.

I saw some data that showed the average Columbia knows LESS American history after graduating college then they did after graduating high school.

Posted by: 18-1 at December 11, 2023 12:44 PM (XqcwY)

134 Magill's resignation has also triggered a response from faculty, claiming they shouldn't be at the mercy of "external elements".

Posted by: kallisto at December 11, 2023 12:31 PM (dCxaZ)

So, the faculty want all the freedoms without the responsibility and accountability. Gotcha.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 11, 2023 12:40 PM (N39Ws)

Yes, they do. And what about the students the faculty teaches? Who protects THEIR RIGHTS against instructors who persecute THEM for wrong-think? It sure as hell aren't the university administrators.

Posted by: mrp at December 11, 2023 12:45 PM (rj6Yv)

135 122 Mincing words to cover prejudice is a failure. Calling for he extermination of people because of their faith is still being debated nearly 80 years after after WW II. Sounds like Trump after Charlottesville. Let's not forget "Jews will not replace us." There are no good Nazis.

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at December 11, 2023 12:43 PM (L21aH)

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They do know that Trump has Jewish grandkids, right?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at December 11, 2023 12:45 PM (GBKbO)

136 "$5 says Gay easily survives that, that she won't resign, and that she knows she just needs to survive the news cycle.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison"

She is a POC so has an extra layer of protection. Plus uber social race warrior (check her list of publications) No way she gets thrown under the bus.

Posted by: Ripley at December 11, 2023 12:45 PM (JojsZ)

137 104 SNL hasn't been funny since the late 1970s. The got rid of all the jewish writers and now the writers flounce around in Hugo Boss uniforms.
Posted by: Archer at December 11, 2023 12:33 PM

the last two good writers that SNL had were David Spade and Norm McDonald. (they wrote most of their own stuff) Both political conservatives.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 11, 2023 12:45 PM (i9ffA)

138 "So to be honest I think just sticking a knife in where you can is the only option open to us."

Yes, because we are counter-revolutionaries whether we like it or not. Stick a rhetorical knife in, and retreat for the next opportunity. Hurt them as often as we can until the revolution inevitably crumbles due to its own internal contradictions (with our hastening), and begins eating its own.

Once the cultural revolution has dissolved, the Heather Macs of the world (whom I greatly respect) can put the principles back together. Until then, war.

Posted by: Milquetoast Mortgage-Paying Neighbor in Flyover Country at December 11, 2023 12:45 PM (5C4od)

139 In terms of context, I wonder who's hearing those student genocide chants, Hamas, the IDF or fellow students?

I'd say fellow students are the ones within earshot who are being harassed and bullied.

But what do I know, I put myself through a stat university.

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at December 11, 2023 12:45 PM (nnp+f)

140 Yeah, but some of us have been trying to speak out about how certain groups, including our government, have talked about White Men.... so called Nationalists... for years now... and have often been shut down BY PEOPLE WHO ARE ON OUR OWN SIDE.[/i\

The GOPe is so scared of being called racist that they will not fight in any way when it appears to rub up against possible racism. In reality, the right should be fighting hard against each and every claim of "racism" and pointing out the double-standard b/c the left/media is going to call every republican a racist no matter what they do. So they may as well actually fight. But they won't. Too "boorish".

Posted by: I forgot my name b/c I haven't posted in 6 months at December 11, 2023 12:45 PM (ky+MF)

141 30 Heather Mac Donald can pursue the 'perfect plan'. I just want the right to fight. Fight against the Left, against the Uniparty every time, every chance they get.

I'm fucking tired of people finding excuses not to fight.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at December 11, 2023 12:31 PM (xcxpd)

I'm not sure this is the hill to die on.

Posted by: Paul Mingroff at December 11, 2023 12:45 PM (53oGX)

142 But it's a shot across the bow at the very least that must be taken. Every time. And in every situation.

But...but...but muh friends across the aisle?

Posted by: Archimedes at December 11, 2023 12:45 PM (CsUN+)

143 I still think the path forward is a combination of ridicule and capitalism. Granted, that ridicule is going to put a target on your back, but why in the hell do you want to go to a "place of higher learning" that has regressed to such an extent that holds that title only in name.

Relative to capitalism...we all know that the UofP president was shown the door because the donor class carries weight. So does guaranteed tuition. It's no different from Bonanza Steak House. If people stop going they have to shut down their franchise or hemorrhage money. I truly think it's not too outlandish to convince the vast majority that college isn't worth it. Then the competition starts up again, requiring an appeal to all factions. And, lets face it the blue collar positions are getting kind of thin in participants these days. An electrician is more sought after than most of those college graduates (even with a valid degree).

Posted by: Orson at December 11, 2023 12:45 PM (dIske)

144 Yeah, I would agree with McDonald if I thought that arguing for actual freedom of speech would actually result in freedom of speech. I guess I've conceded that we've lost in that sense; burn it all down and maybe they'll cry uncle.

Posted by: Dr. Fausti - I AM The Science at December 11, 2023 12:45 PM (lg881)

145 122
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Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at December 11, 2023 12:43 PM (L21aH)

So close, but can't give up the Trump hate.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 11, 2023 12:45 PM (ynpvh)

146
Gay has admitted she handled the situation poorly. Great, now fall on your sword and begone!
Posted by: Archimedes at December 11, 2023 12:42 PM (CsUN+)

Woman X
Gay X
Lame X

Posted by: We've hit the Kathleen Kennedy trifecta at December 11, 2023 12:46 PM (wtpA4)

147 Stefanik used the Rules for Radicals playbook:

"Make the enemy live up to their own book of rules."

Posted by: WisRich at December 11, 2023 12:46 PM (G0vdT)

148 This argument has been going on for decades. Think about the affirmative action bake sales that used to take place in the 90's when people would set up a table charging different amounts for cookies or whatever based on someone's race. The point was to draw attention to the absurdity of affirmative action. The same but you are accepting the premise argument was made then and the same completey missing the point also took place. No one was accepting the premise, the premise was being mocked.

The way to get stupid rules revoked is to apply them ruthlessly. This is not a new concept.

Posted by: alexthechick at December 11, 2023 12:46 PM (ivr2I)

149 Biden in Philly again today for some stupid reason. He sure spends a lot of time campaigning here.

He's applying for the position that was left vacant by Magilla's forced departure.

Posted by: kallisto at December 11, 2023 12:46 PM (dCxaZ)

150 Mac Donald is making the point that by demanding Magill's ouster, we're also inadvertently supporting the idea that universities should punish unpopular speech.

The point is that we are not inadvertently supporting of punishing unpopular speech, but for punishing the double standard.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 11, 2023 12:46 PM (W/lyH)

151 Calls for genocide are never acceptable in any context. If a clod like me can see that basic truth, why (expletive rant) can't these so-called bastions of higher education see it?
One only needs a casual observation to learn that the vast majority of human trauma over the last 50 years has been at the hands of the Moose-Limbs or the G-Dless commies.
We really need to name and confront the enemy at its root rather than focus on the tactics. The war on terror is a great example of this foolishness; it should have been the war on militant islam.

Posted by: Bonecrusher at December 11, 2023 12:46 PM (JNTt1)

152 The have clearly fired all the Jewish writers, not because otherwise they wouldn't be trivializing antisemitism, but because no Jew could write "jokes" this bad.

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J.J. Sefton is tanned, rested, & rowdy ... but under no circumstances or for any amount of money (well, maybe for 8 figures?) will be relocating back to NYC.

Posted by: ShainS -- CISA Cognitive Security Agent at December 11, 2023 12:46 PM (FA8N9)

153 Posted by: alexthechick at December 11, 2023 12:46 PM (ivr2I)

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*waves enthusiastically*

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at December 11, 2023 12:47 PM (GBKbO)

154 The mistake is in labeling the express call for the genocidal destruction of Jews "unpopular".

The crime is not that it's unpopular, I'm pretty certain.

I'm fine with not criminalizing any speech at all if that's the world we're gonna live in. But is it? Is it?

Posted by: JCG at December 11, 2023 12:47 PM (/WMOu)

155 I too have reservations about us supposedly embracing speech codes as a political tool - even though I find Antisemitism abhorrent.

If we're going to insist on speech codes, we've already lost the ideas of the 1st Amendment. The difficulty is that the American public won't be able to see that the Anti-Semitic speech of the Ivy League students is just as protected as the anti-transgender speech. Simply asking the presidents if genocide-endorsing speech is a violation of the speech code misses the mark IMO. The question would be "why does Jewish Genocide Endorsing Speech NOT violate the speech code, but speaking out against men beating up women in sporting events does." It's my guess that that question doesn't provide the right soundbites because it offers the respondent to rail against right-wing talking points.

Embracing the idea of free speech is a difficult one, because it forces you to allow people to say things that make you want to punch them square in the face. Repeatedly. With your Edward Scissorhands costume on.

Posted by: Defenestratus at December 11, 2023 12:47 PM (8EFBq)

156 Wall St and top law firms (which is where future federal judges start out) still recruit from these elite schools. That’s not changing any time soon.

Posted by: Montec at December 11, 2023 12:47 PM (Tll0L)

157 The left on campuses were already punishing conservative thought. Any criticism of the left's pet causes is "hate speech", and speech is "actual violence!"

Posted by: LizLem at December 11, 2023 12:43 PM (kuSTV)

And it's not new. It's been ongoing since I was in college in the early 90s. Censoring the right is the raison d'etre of most colleges.

Posted by: I forgot my name b/c I haven't posted in 6 months at December 11, 2023 12:47 PM (ky+MF)

158 The James. I'm sure they know that PDT has Jewish family members and I'm sure they believe he would kill them all to become the dictator they think he is. They are completely unhinged, still talking about the Charlottsville lie after all these years.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at December 11, 2023 12:47 PM (2NHgQ)

159 another route to a possible solution:

https://is.gd/1P4Lfw

(American spectator)

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - these lying bastardi e stronzi have been lying for decades at December 11, 2023 12:47 PM (zer5o)

160 In my life I don't think I've *ever* seen the right advantages from taking a "not the hill to die on" or "we have to hold to our sacred principles" take.

Most of the people claiming this are controlled opposition, but for those that aren't - look at the damn history. Your strategy does not work.

Either conservativism, or hell, just "not woke leftism", is worth fighting for or its not.

Posted by: 18-1 at December 11, 2023 12:48 PM (XqcwY)

161 157 And it's not new. It's been ongoing since I was in college in the early 90s. Censoring the right is the raison d'etre of most colleges.
Posted by: I forgot my name b/c I haven't posted in 6 months at December 11, 2023 12:47 PM (ky+MF)

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I thought it was becoming finishing schools for girls before they go off to marry the government.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at December 11, 2023 12:48 PM (GBKbO)

162 we were really happy to receive the message from UPenn to all alums this past weekend.

I wish the universities would stop saying it's violence to disagree with the left. but until then, you work with the weapons you have to use.

Ms MacDonald is too much tied to an abstraction to see the actual dangers we are facing (sometimes, in this case). And I agree all speech on campus should be free, even horrid speech.

BUT - physically stopping classes from happening? physically accosting Jewish-appearing students? this is not speech! but they will say their violence is speech; and simply calling Mr Thomas Mr Thomas is somehow violence.

that is where we are, hopefully soon we can leave this place of insanity. If the ivies don't want to leave it, that's fine. People will be leaving THEM.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at December 11, 2023 12:48 PM (AcWfM)

163 Bishop Robert Baron threaded the needle on this topic when he said (paraphrase) the Ivy Presidents should not have nuanced where full condemnation was required and they should not have equivocated when nuance was needed.

In short, these University leaders want to apply moralistic peacetime policy when fighting against intrinsic moral evil.

Posted by: Corona exile-back_in_exile at December 11, 2023 12:48 PM (7rzgu)

164 This is pissing me off in a way.
This is not about free speech. This is about antisemetism. This is about Jews being singled out as less than human so any action against them i s justified. It is endorsing in a way what the Koran says about Jews. It is just sickening.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at December 11, 2023 12:49 PM (t/2Uw)

165 I saw an advert for the Colbert Show that Liz Chaney was the featured guest. I asked myself, why would anyone want to hear what Liz has to say, much less, have to look at her while she speaks? Odd world. Very odd world.

Posted by: Pudinhead at December 11, 2023 12:49 PM (hybOl)

166 143 I truly think it's not too outlandish to convince the vast majority that college isn't worth it. Then the competition starts up again, requiring an appeal to all factions. And, lets face it the blue collar positions are getting kind of thin in participants these days. An electrician is more sought after than most of those college graduates (even with a valid degree).
Posted by: Orson at December 11, 2023 12:45 PM (dIske)

This needs to happen regardless of the woke angle. It's simply not sustainable for basically everyone to start out with a six-figure debt because of our cultural love of credentialism.

Posted by: CppThis at December 11, 2023 12:49 PM (PZvjL)

167 I too have reservations about us supposedly embracing speech codes as a political tool - even though I find Antisemitism abhorrent.

Posted by: Defenestratus at December 11, 2023 12:47 PM (8EFBq)

Demanding that they apply the code that they are already using equally is not the same as "embracing speech codes". We can fight against speech codes while still demanding that to the extent the code exists, it be applied equally to all sides.

That is the point in response to McDonald - not that we want to "embrace" the codes. But that we know they have codes and use those codes to silence conservatives. Well, if they have the code and enforce the code we want it enforced on them as well.

Posted by: I forgot my name b/c I haven't posted in 6 months at December 11, 2023 12:49 PM (ky+MF)

168 "I'm supposed to support these women who have championed the suppression of free speech on campus for their entire terms, because in this one case, supporting calls for intifada on campus, they made arguably the right, principled free speech absolutist call?"

Yes, exactly, but let's call this for what it is: revenge. I'm all for revenge censorship now, and once was a free speech absolutist. Shut them now when we can, where we can, all we can. It has been earned.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 11, 2023 12:49 PM (KSNKu)

169 Chris Rufo claims he has proof that Harvard's president Gay plagiarized her PhD thesis. If that's true Harvard has to dump her.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 11, 2023 12:49 PM (ZLI7S)

170 vic and alex the chick in the same thread. A ggod day.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at December 11, 2023 12:49 PM (2NHgQ)

171 140 Posted by: I forgot my name b/c I haven't posted in 6 months at December 11, 2023 12:45 PM (ky+MF)

This. The GOP or whoever not fighting is essentially ceding important ground insofar as not fighting is tacit acceptance of Leftist premises about whites, Israel, capitalism, you-name-it.

This is why fighting back is crucial regardless of the slings and arrows that the Left will hurl because they are going to hurl them anyway. And fighting back also entails being just as nasty and name-calling as they are - except with us, it would be telling the truth about them.

This is what Ramaswamy has been doing both in the debates and in calling J-6 for what it was, a Democrat op, which made Dana Bash's head explode. More of this on every front, please.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 11, 2023 12:49 PM (x0n13)

172 Gay has admitted she handled the situation poorly. Great, now fall on your sword and begone!
Posted by: Archimedes at December 11, 2023 12:42 PM (CsUN+)

read Gay's apology letter, and it comes off as "Is'a sorry, massah! Is'a jes a lil ol' black girl', I dint know what I be's sayin, all those mean questions had me so confused!"

yeah real Harvard President material.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 11, 2023 12:49 PM (i9ffA)

173 The GOP's motivation for being enabling isn't that they are scared of being called racist.

It was obvious even when Obama was president but that myth should have certainly died with their abject complicity in the current fake presidential administration.

Posted by: JCG at December 11, 2023 12:50 PM (/WMOu)

174 >She is a POC so has an extra layer of protection. Plus uber social race warrior (check her list of publications) No way she gets thrown under the bus.

Posted by: Ripley at December 11, 2023 12:45 PM (JojsZ)

Bill Ackerman is agitating for her firing. Being a billionaire and an alum does have its perks.

Posted by: Heavy Meta at December 11, 2023 12:50 PM (GTqXr)

175 President Gay will stay. There's no way, I think, that Harvard will get rid of the first AA woman President, and MIT has already said they stand fully behind Kornbluth..

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 11, 2023 12:50 PM (RSbhh)

176
I thought it was becoming finishing schools for girls before they go off to marry the government.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at December 11, 2023 12:48 PM (GBKbO)

I am reappropriating this to me.

Posted by: alexthechick at December 11, 2023 12:50 PM (ivr2I)

177 135 They do know that Trump has Jewish grandkids, right?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at December 11, 2023 12:45 PM (GBKbO)

They'll just write that off as being like an old racist saying "But I have a black friend!", like they always do.

Posted by: XTC at December 11, 2023 12:50 PM (sm6Pk)

178 The problem is trannies think we are calling for their genocide by opposing children getting their genitals chopped off. So if they stop genocide calls for Jews then then we can’t call for their “genocide”. It’s retarded of course but it’s how this will play out.

Posted by: Montec at December 11, 2023 12:50 PM (Tll0L)

179 SNL need to hire Petrie, Rogers and Sorrell to write for them.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 11, 2023 12:50 PM (63Dwl)

180 If we're going to insist on speech codes, we've already lost the ideas of the 1st Amendment. The difficulty is that the American public won't be able to see that the Anti-Semitic speech of the Ivy League students is just as protected as the anti-transgender speech. Simply asking the presidents if genocide-endorsing speech is a violation of the speech code misses the mark IMO. The question would be "why does Jewish Genocide Endorsing Speech NOT violate the speech code, but speaking out against men beating up women in sporting events does." ...
Posted by: Defenestratus at December 11, 2023 12:47 PM (8EFBq)
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Which is why this isn't about embracing a speech code, it's insisting that any place that has one apply it unformly. The universities don't.

Even if the rules suck, the rules *must* be consistently enforced. Without that consistency, there are no rules at all - there is just the vagaries of power.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 11, 2023 12:50 PM (zxP/x)

181 88 >>> Heather Mac Donald can pursue the 'perfect plan'. I just want the right to fight. Fight against the Left, against the Uniparty every time, every chance they get.
I'm fucking tired of people finding excuses not to fight.

she is definitely a fighter. I just don't see how we can support Magill and advance our position
Posted by: ace at December 11, 2023 12:37 PM (KRtlO)

One set of laws. IF Magill actually impartially applied the same set of rules to everyone...

But we're kidding ourselves. The Left doesn't believe in blind justice or equal treatment, neither does the Uniparty.

So I'm happy if bad things happen to bad people. Take scalps, kick ass.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at December 11, 2023 12:50 PM (xcxpd)

182 155
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If we're going to insist on speech codes, we've already lost the ideas of the 1st Amendment.
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Posted by: Defenestratus at December 11, 2023 12:47 PM (8EFBq)

Private institutions can make their own rules, right? I mean, having a driver that's muslim that refuses to deliver Honey-Baked Hams for the company would be a problem.
That said, any institution that has such rules should NOT receive any Fed, State, or Local tax monies, otherwise they're not REALLY private, are they?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 11, 2023 12:50 PM (ynpvh)

183 A cold wind is blowing through the BS academic community.

Somebody noted that AI will soon make it possible to look at every dissertation written since 1970, and see if it was plagiarized or not.

It's not just Harvard president Gay who did this.

Needless to say, an article has already been written explaining that it is racist to look for evidence of plagiarism in dissertation and academic publications.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 11, 2023 12:50 PM (YAtuc)

184 149 Biden in Philly again today for some stupid reason. He sure spends a lot of time campaigning here.

to torment us

Posted by: BlackOrchid at December 11, 2023 12:50 PM (AcWfM)

185 I saw an advert for the Colbert Show that Liz Chaney was the featured guest. I asked myself, why would anyone want to hear what Liz has to say, much less, have to look at her while she speaks? Odd world. Very odd world.

Imagine telling your average leftist in say 2003 that one of their favorite hosts in 2023 will be hosting Liz *Cheney* to talk about the need to censor/cancel people that oppose the US making wars of choice on its perceived enemies...

Posted by: 18-1 at December 11, 2023 12:50 PM (XqcwY)

186 176
I thought it was becoming finishing schools for girls before they go off to marry the government.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at December 11, 2023 12:48 PM (GBKbO)

I am reappropriating this to me.
Posted by: alexthechick at December 11, 2023 12:50 PM (ivr2I)

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I'm witty af. Sometimes. Well, almost never. This once.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at December 11, 2023 12:51 PM (GBKbO)

187 Yahoo had an article about how conservatives are pouncing on the fact that condoning antisemitism on campus is not a winning strategy for the left. And it's working, oh noes. Well duh!

Wait, does this mean the left is admitting they are on the losing side of history, and can't pretend otherwise for once? Their bigotry is finally out in the open, and not enough ink exists in the media to wash it away.

Posted by: LizLem at December 11, 2023 12:51 PM (kuSTV)

188 This argument has been going on for decades. Think about the affirmative action bake sales that used to take place in the 90's when people would set up a table charging different amounts for cookies or whatever based on someone's race. The point was to draw attention to the absurdity of affirmative action. The same but you are accepting the premise argument was made then and the same completey missing the point also took place. No one was accepting the premise, the premise was being mocked.

The way to get stupid rules revoked is to apply them ruthlessly. This is not a new concept.

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"... good and hard."

149 Biden in Philly again today for some stupid reason.

Posted by: ShainS -- CISA Cognitive Security Agent at December 11, 2023 12:51 PM (FA8N9)

189 I thought it was becoming finishing schools for girls before they go off to marry the government.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at December 11, 2023 12:48 PM (GBKbO)

I am reappropriating this to me.
Posted by: alexthechick at December 11, 2023 12:50 PM (ivr2I)

lol to you both

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at December 11, 2023 12:51 PM (xcxpd)

190 I thought it was becoming finishing schools for girls before they go off to marry the government.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at December 11, 2023 12:48 PM (GBKbO)
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Ouch. Brutal and largely accurate.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 11, 2023 12:51 PM (zxP/x)

191 It's simply not sustainable for basically everyone to start out with a six-figure debt because of our cultural love of credentialism.
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Just overturn Griggs v Duke Power. Money and lives saved would be astronomical. Not to mention Carbon Footprint.

Posted by: Pudinhead at December 11, 2023 12:51 PM (hybOl)

192 Is the MIT president Jewish?

Posted by: nckate at December 11, 2023 12:51 PM (SnxUt)

193 Oh, and the Heckler's veto? Threats of violence? Last time I checked, that's called assault.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 11, 2023 12:51 PM (ynpvh)

194 Sian Beilock. Does anyone know if she's been an asshole yet?
Posted by: Miley, okravangelist

Suvey SAYS..........

Posted by: Richard Dawson at December 11, 2023 12:52 PM (R4t5M)

195 None of these bitches actually believe in free speech as a right or as a general principle. Speech is only "free" as long as you stay within their ideological lines. If it had been a call for ghey genocide, or tranny genocide, or a Trump rally, or anything else that didn't have the Leftist clapping seal of approval, they'd be thrown out so fast it would make your head spin. So fuck their double standards and make them choke on it.

Posted by: They made the rules, they can die by them at December 11, 2023 12:52 PM (wtpA4)

196 164 Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at December 11, 2023 12:49 PM (t/2Uw)

They psycho lefty and Muslim Jew-haters have been fixtures on campus going back to when I was in college in the late 70s early 80s.

The difference is we were louder than they were in protesting them and most crucially we were ALLOWED to protest them.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 11, 2023 12:52 PM (x0n13)

197 Tit for tat.

Do it.

Posted by: blaster at December 11, 2023 12:52 PM (IFNME)

198 169 Chris Rufo claims he has proof that Harvard's president Gay plagiarized her PhD thesis. If that's true Harvard has to dump her.

are you kidding?!?! lol check your privilege, jack

she's not going ANYWHERE. the KJP of the Ivies

Posted by: BlackOrchid at December 11, 2023 12:52 PM (AcWfM)

199 183 A cold wind is blowing through the BS academic community.

Somebody noted that AI will soon make it possible to look at every dissertation written since 1970, and see if it was plagiarized or not.

It's not just Harvard president Gay who did this.

Needless to say, an article has already been written explaining that it is racist to look for evidence of plagiarism in dissertation and academic publications.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 11, 2023 12:50 PM (YAtuc)

if AI can get us Barak Obama's college transcripts, I'm prepared to endorse it.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at December 11, 2023 12:52 PM (xcxpd)

200 Another rightist who wants us to die with dignity. This is why I kind of stopped caring about normie politics.

Fuck that. The left forged the weapons being wielded against us. Damn right I'm going to pick it up to defend myself if they accidentally drop one.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen at December 11, 2023 12:52 PM (yGJAK)

201 I think the NYT had an article that the GOP was seizing on this.

Why did no one tell me it was seizing season? I still have my pouncing decorations up.

Posted by: alexthechick at December 11, 2023 12:53 PM (ivr2I)

202 >>If we're going to insist on speech codes, we've already lost the ideas of the 1st Amendment.

I don't view this as a free speech issue. It's a public safety issue.

Gay is allowed to hold whatever repugnant views she wants as a private citizen but she is in charge of the safety of her students. Allowing people to call for a genocide of Jews puts their lives and others in danger.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 11, 2023 12:53 PM (ZLI7S)

203 197 Tit for tat.

Do it.
Posted by: blaster at December 11, 2023 12:52 PM (IFNME)

( . ) ( . )

Endorsed

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at December 11, 2023 12:53 PM (xcxpd)

204 President Gay will stay. There's no way, I think, that Harvard will get rid of the first AA woman President, and MIT has already said they stand fully behind Kornbluth..
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 11, 2023 12:50 PM (RSbhh)
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We'll see how long that determination lasts when serious alumni donors start slamming their wallets shut and refuse to take calls from the University Presidents.

The whole point of university presidents is to schmooze rich alumni for donations. If they can't deliver, then they have to go.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at December 11, 2023 12:53 PM (7fElN)

205 One set of laws. IF Magill actually impartially applied the same set of rules to everyone...

But we're kidding ourselves. The Left doesn't believe in blind justice or equal treatment, neither does the Uniparty.

So I'm happy if bad things happen to bad people. Take scalps, kick ass.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at December 11, 2023 12:50 PM (xcxpd)

This is actually the root of one of our biggest problems. A ruling entity that does not have to abide by its own rules. We see it on the border. We saw it during the Covid shutdowns. We see it in the was the Justice system treats Trump vice how it treats Biden.

It is the idea that rules don't matter, only power does... and that is going to bring on the next big upheaval IMO.

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 11, 2023 12:53 PM (xaFKb)

206 176
I thought it was becoming finishing schools for girls before they go off to marry the government.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at December 11, 2023 12:48 PM (GBKbO)

I am reappropriating this to me.

Posted by: alexthechick at December 11, 2023 12:50 PM (ivr2I)

So basically nuns of the Church of State.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 11, 2023 12:53 PM (ynpvh)

207 184 149 Biden in Philly again today for some stupid reason. He sure spends a lot of time campaigning here.

to torment us
Posted by: BlackOrchid at December 11, 2023 12:50 PM (AcWfM)

To collect his Chi-Com payoffs at the Bidet Center at UP.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 11, 2023 12:53 PM (x0n13)

208 Chris Rufo claims he has proof that Harvard's president Gay plagiarized her PhD thesis. If that's true Harvard has to dump her.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 11, 2023 12:49 PM (ZLI7S)

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F. Joe would immediately hire her as a speech writer.

Posted by: ShainS -- CISA Cognitive Security Agent at December 11, 2023 12:53 PM (FA8N9)

209 Here is the leftist take on this:

Calling for the end of the occupation of Palestine is free speech. If that leads to ethnic cleansing or even genocide that's on the Jews. And yes, all Jews.

However, not using tranny pronouns, questioning the government, or being white and not gay are all literal violence against the most vulnerable and need to be banned.

Posted by: 18-1 at December 11, 2023 12:53 PM (XqcwY)

210
The Ivy league is just the latest victim of whatever label the left is using to describe people who disagree with them today.

Preschoolers are more civil.

Posted by: Auspex at December 11, 2023 12:53 PM (j4U/Z)

211 The left forged the weapons being wielded against us. Damn right I'm going to pick it up to defend myself if they accidentally drop one.
Posted by: Dworkin Barimen at December 11, 2023 12:52 PM (yGJAK)

Preach!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at December 11, 2023 12:54 PM (xcxpd)

212 After having been kicked off campus for her white adjacency, this leggy Asian with great teeth hopes that the entire rotten edifice collapses:
https://is.gd/K0TCTI

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 11, 2023 12:54 PM (zxP/x)

213 178 The problem is trannies think we are calling for their genocide by opposing children getting their genitals chopped off. So if they stop genocide calls for Jews then then we can’t call for their “genocide”. It’s retarded of course but it’s how this will play out.

Posted by: Montec at December 11, 2023 12:50 PM (Tll0L)

I'm sorry, but the 1st Amendment doesn't protect you from getting your feelings hurt.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 11, 2023 12:54 PM (ynpvh)

214 Magill's resignation has also triggered a response from faculty, claiming they shouldn't be at the mercy of "external elements".
Posted by: kallisto

The classic faculty lounge response. Who are YOU to question the thought leaders of this country.

Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at December 11, 2023 12:54 PM (VloHh)

215 >>are you kidding?!?! lol check your privilege, jack

>>she's not going ANYWHERE. the KJP of the Ivies

She'll go just like Magill did when people with big enough checkbooks say it's time to go.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 11, 2023 12:54 PM (ZLI7S)

216 Nothing is going to change until Title IX is abolished. Sure, the professors and admin are a bunchbof woke lefties, but those administrators were hired, and their jobs created, to satisfy government mandates for non-discrimination.

Universities, like big businesses, just followed the path of least reaistance, and that path was to give the finger to whites and pile on the Woke nonsense to avoid having their federal funding cut and to prevent lawsuits.

Posted by: 29Victor at December 11, 2023 12:54 PM (M+gBW)

217 I'm sorry, but the 1st Amendment doesn't protect you from getting your feelings hurt.

Stat I saw the other day - 4 in 10 Gen Z think the founders were villains.

Posted by: 18-1 at December 11, 2023 12:55 PM (XqcwY)

218 Arguing in favor of free speech assumes any of it currently exists at these campuses. It does not.

Free speech that only exists when I call for your murder is not free speech.

Posted by: Navin Gewsome at December 11, 2023 12:55 PM (8E/8X)

219 OT: Search for today's news regarding Russian opposition leader Alexey Navalny.

In Russia, suicide misses you!

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at December 11, 2023 12:55 PM (PTdof)

220
I thought it was becoming finishing schools for girls before they go off to marry the government.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at December 11, 2023 12:48 PM (GBKbO)

GotDAMN that's good. I'll have to remember that one.

Posted by: Very well done indeed at December 11, 2023 12:55 PM (wtpA4)

221 Is there a difference between Republicans seizing and pouncing?

Posted by: Montec at December 11, 2023 12:55 PM (Tll0L)

222 197 Tit for tat.

Do it.

Posted by: blaster at December 11, 2023 12:52 PM (IFNME)

It's the only thing they understand: their own pain.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 11, 2023 12:56 PM (ynpvh)

223 The hiding of the attrocity videos was a huge mistake.

Israel is on a fucked up roll. Been around the US too long.

Posted by: DOYLE at December 11, 2023 12:56 PM (Z8Yh2)

224 read Gay's apology letter, and it comes off as "Is'a sorry, massah! Is'a jes a lil ol' black girl', I dint know what I be's sayin, all those mean questions had me so confused!"

yeah real Harvard President material.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 11, 2023 12:49 PM (i9ffA)

It is utterly predictable. Gay represents the absolute trainwreck of affirmative action. As someone mentioned earlier, she lifted much of her thesis from another black woman academic, Carol Swain. Anyone else would have been gone the nanosecond this became public. My guess is Harvard doesn't have the balls to shitcan Gay and she will do great damage to the university, and that is a good thing.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 11, 2023 12:56 PM (KSNKu)

225 It's not just Harvard president Gay who did this.

In Russia, many high-ranking politicians and businessmen find it prestigious to have a doctorate, so they bribe some academic institution to give them one.

This requires a "dissertation" of course, and an incredibly brave group of people in Russia has been looking at these "dissertations" for evidence of plagiarism.

Needless to say, almost all of them were plagiarized.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 11, 2023 12:56 PM (YAtuc)

226 196 They psycho lefty and Muslim Jew-haters have been fixtures on campus going back to when I was in college in the late 70s early 80s.

The difference is we were louder than they were in protesting them and most crucially we were ALLOWED to protest them.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 11, 2023 12:52 PM (x0n13)

I feel like Obama's entire purpose was to take the historical oppression that was wrongly visited upon the Jewish people, and give that "victim cred" (for lack of a better term, apologies) to Muslims instead. To just rewrite history so that the Muslims would be the ones due that level of sympathy and support.

Posted by: XTC at December 11, 2023 12:56 PM (sm6Pk)

227

I said it here years ago: SNL is 90 minutes of msnbc with applause and laughing sound effects.

Posted by: Soothsayer at December 11, 2023 12:56 PM (S3UJx)

228 213 178 The problem is trannies think we are calling for their genocide by opposing children getting their genitals chopped off. So if they stop genocide calls for Jews then then we can’t call for their “genocide”. It’s retarded of course but it’s how this will play out.

Posted by: Montec at December 11, 2023 12:50 PM (Tll0L)

I've noticed this on twitter about the word "genocide"; outside of the real, historical thing, leftists who use it are like apes who have been taught a few words. They use it over and over again even though they have no idea what it actually means.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 11, 2023 12:56 PM (i9ffA)

229 215 >>are you kidding?!?! lol check your privilege, jack

>>she's not going ANYWHERE. the KJP of the Ivies

She'll go just like Magill did when people with big enough checkbooks say it's time to go.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 11, 2023 12:54 PM (ZLI7S)

Money Talks.

And that will be the Epitaph of the Republic.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at December 11, 2023 12:56 PM (xcxpd)

230
another route to a possible solution:

https://is.gd/1P4Lfw

(American spectator)
Posted by: sock_rat_eez

Motion that table.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 11, 2023 12:56 PM (63Dwl)

231 Can I wear a tee-shirt on campus with a Confederate flag on it?

Can I wear a tee-shirt on campus that says..'The South Will Rise Again"?

If the answer to either one is 'No' she can shut the hell up about context.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 11, 2023 12:56 PM (hH3Px)

232 Title IX is the root of a lot of problems. Well, a misreading of it anyway.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at December 11, 2023 12:56 PM (AcWfM)

233 Do professors get to smoke in the professor's lounge?

Posted by: Pudinhead at December 11, 2023 12:56 PM (hybOl)

234
I believe we need to reapportion the words around.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at December 11, 2023 12:57 PM (enJYY)

235 Still in the camp of we have to play as dirty or dirtier than the fascist left does to make them afraid of ever going to this point again.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at December 11, 2023 12:57 PM (17s+e)

236 I've noticed this on twitter about the word "genocide"; outside of the real, historical thing, leftists who use it are like apes who have been taught a few words. They use it over and over again even though they have no idea what it actually means.

I had a leftist tell me that opposition to gay marriage was racist. And all his friends nodded their heads in agreement.

Posted by: 18-1 at December 11, 2023 12:57 PM (XqcwY)

237 So to be honest I think just sticking a knife in where you can is the only option open to us.
====

My first thought every day.

Posted by: San Franspycho at December 11, 2023 12:57 PM (RIvkX)

238 It's weird watching civilization crumble. Not like I thought it would look like. Maybe later.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at December 11, 2023 12:57 PM (BdMk6)

239 You all need to just send your kids to FIRE-rated universities and only hire folks from those schools that maintain green ratings.

There are schools where you won't get snowflakes - they just won't be Ivy League ones.

FIRE has done this work - we should hold their list up as the ideal colleges and work to flip the "Ivy is best" script...

Posted by: Nova Local at December 11, 2023 12:57 PM (exHjb)

240 How can the left still accuse anyone of being a Nazi? They still will of course.

Posted by: That Northernlurke embracing the suckd at December 11, 2023 12:57 PM (hCt6Y)

241 231 Can I wear a tee-shirt on campus with a Confederate flag on it?
---------------
Only if you have very big ballz and a .45 pistol.

Posted by: Pudinhead at December 11, 2023 12:57 PM (hybOl)

242 233 Do professors get to smoke in the professor's lounge?
Posted by: Pudinhead at December 11, 2023 12:56 PM (hybOl)

Sure. But not tobacco...

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at December 11, 2023 12:57 PM (xcxpd)

243
Add a laugh-track to cnn and you get SNL.

Posted by: Soothsayer at December 11, 2023 12:57 PM (S3UJx)

244 197 Tit for tat.

Do it.
Posted by: blaster at December 11, 2023 12:52 PM (IFNME)

This. Now that the Bush/National Review tone police have been thoroughly discredited and outed as frauds, it should be easier.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 11, 2023 12:57 PM (KSNKu)

245 "How dare the non-wokesters pounce on this to push their issues. Only WE are allowed to do that!"

Posted by: CppThis at December 11, 2023 12:58 PM (PZvjL)

246 217 I'm sorry, but the 1st Amendment doesn't protect you from getting your feelings hurt.

Stat I saw the other day - 4 in 10 Gen Z think the founders were villains.

Posted by: 18-1 at December 11, 2023 12:55 PM (XqcwY)

And that same 4/10 need to go back to their safe rooms and chew on some crayolas.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 11, 2023 12:58 PM (ynpvh)

247 235 Still in the camp of we have to play as dirty or dirtier than the fascist left does to make them afraid of ever going to this point again.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at December 11, 2023 12:57 PM (17s+e)

The problem is that the State and the Criminal Justice System are firmly in the pocket of the Left and its allies.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 11, 2023 12:58 PM (x0n13)

248 Israel is on a fucked up roll. Been around the US too long.
Posted by: DOYLE at December 11, 2023 12:56 PM (Z8Yh2)
-

Europe, too. We are infiltrated here by progressives, with heavy funding from western leftists.

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at December 11, 2023 12:58 PM (PTdof)

249 Harvard thinks they Rule the Ivies. they could care less about their donors, and they could care less about what a lesser Ivy like Penn does.

They Are Above All That.

I don't care that place is a version of Hell and it can do whatever. But I do care that it as infected MIT! what a sad case.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at December 11, 2023 12:58 PM (AcWfM)

250 How can the left still accuse anyone of being a Nazi? They still will of course.

Dontcha know that the core tenet of NAZIism was the protect the right of Jews to keep and bare arms?!?

Posted by: 18-1 at December 11, 2023 12:58 PM (XqcwY)

251 238 It's weird watching civilization crumble. Not like I thought it would look like. Maybe later.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at December 11, 2023 12:57 PM (BdMk6)

Same

I have similar feelings about the End of Days.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at December 11, 2023 12:58 PM (xcxpd)

252 >>Money Talks.

>>And that will be the Epitaph of the Republic.

The person Rufo claims Gay plagiarized is Dr. Carol Swain, a very prominent black conservative and former law professor at Vanderbilt.

Not gonna be able to claim racism on this one.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 11, 2023 12:58 PM (ZLI7S)

253 I've noticed this on twitter about the word "genocide"; outside of the real, historical thing, leftists who use it are like apes who have been taught a few words. They use it over and over again even though they have no idea what it actually means.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 11, 2023 12:56 PM (i9ffA)

Same on Reddit. People think Florida is literally (as in the correct use of the term not the millenial use) hinting down trans people to kill them.

Posted by: Montec at December 11, 2023 12:59 PM (Tll0L)

254 Calling for murder of a group of people if not " protected speech" according to the ruling by SCOTUS. Theoretically they could be prosecuted.

Posted by: v

this is wrong

Posted by: N at December 11, 2023 12:59 PM (RjBju)

255 Do professors get to smoke in the professor's lounge?
Posted by: Pudinhead

The baloney pony, yes.

Posted by: Richard Dawson at December 11, 2023 12:59 PM (R4t5M)

256 Although if you are married, the government's married to you too and will sodomize you with a 14" sandpaper covered strap-on the moment it gets the opportunity.

Posted by: All marriages have husband, wife, government at December 11, 2023 12:59 PM (wtpA4)

257 227

I said it here years ago: SNL is 90 minutes of msnbc with applause and laughing sound effects.

Posted by: Soothsayer at December 11, 2023 12:56 PM (S3UJx)

Dunno. It's filmed in the same place that has judges like Engoron...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 11, 2023 12:59 PM (ynpvh)

258 251 Same

I have similar feelings about the End of Days.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at December 11, 2023 12:58 PM (xcxpd)

=======

Schwarzenegger made better.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at December 11, 2023 12:59 PM (GBKbO)

259 Jost and Che are SNL writers , dumb and dumber .

Posted by: runner at December 11, 2023 12:59 PM (whF9C)

260 164 This is pissing me off in a way.
This is not about free speech. This is about antisemetism. This is about Jews being singled out as less than human so any action against them i s justified. It is endorsing in a way what the Koran says about Jews. It is just sickening.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at December 11, 2023 12:49 PM (t/2Uw)

+++++

Exactly what it is.

Posted by: washrivergal at December 11, 2023 01:00 PM (CmpAD)

261 Which is why this isn't about embracing a speech code, it's insisting that any place that has one apply it unformly. The universities don't.

Even if the rules suck, the rules *must* be consistently enforced. Without that consistency, there are no rules at all - there is just the vagaries of power.

Yup. And then you say, you know, if we didn't HAVE speech codes, all of this goes away.

To be clear, I favor some speech codes, as long as they're uniformly enforced, starting with "calling for genocide or other physical assaults is right out".

Posted by: Archimedes at December 11, 2023 01:00 PM (CsUN+)

262 216 Nothing is going to change until Title IX is abolished. Sure, the professors and admin are a bunchbof woke lefties, but those administrators were hired, and their jobs created, to satisfy government mandates for non-discrimination."

The funny part is that the Trannies are doing more to abolish Title IX than anything conservatives ever dreamed of doing. And lgood Leftists are thanking them for doing it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 11, 2023 01:00 PM (i9ffA)

263 252 The person Rufo claims Gay plagiarized is Dr. Carol Swain, a very prominent black conservative and former law professor at Vanderbilt.

Not gonna be able to claim racism on this one.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 11, 2023 12:58 PM (ZLI7S)

=======

Did Dr. Carol Swain vote for Biden? Cause that's how you tell if someone is black or not.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at December 11, 2023 01:00 PM (GBKbO)

264 After having been kicked off campus for her white adjacency, this leggy Asian with great teeth hopes that the entire rotten edifice collapses:
https://is.gd/K0TCTI
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 11, 2023 12:54 PM (zxP/x)

Damn it! Get your shoes off the furniture!

Posted by: Diogenes at December 11, 2023 01:00 PM (W/lyH)

265 The campus crisis would have reached the same point without right wing help. Oblivious leftwing loons like Bill Ackman threatening to cut off funding is what is threatening the college presidents' sinecures

Posted by: Oglebay at December 11, 2023 01:00 PM (ogTiX)

266 253 I've noticed this on twitter about the word "genocide"; outside of the real, historical thing, leftists who use it are like apes who have been taught a few words. They use it over and over again even though they have no idea what it actually means.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 11, 2023 12:56 PM (i9ffA)

Same on Reddit. People think Florida is literally (as in the correct use of the term not the millenial use) hinting down trans people to kill them.

Posted by: Montec at December 11, 2023 12:59 PM (Tll0L)

I *HATE* being hinted down.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 11, 2023 01:01 PM (ynpvh)

267 225 It's not just Harvard president Gay who did this.

In Russia, many high-ranking politicians and businessmen find it prestigious to have a doctorate, so they bribe some academic institution to give them one.

This requires a "dissertation" of course, and an incredibly brave group of people in Russia has been looking at these "dissertations" for evidence of plagiarism.

Needless to say, almost all of them were plagiarized.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 11, 2023 12:56 PM (YAtuc)

Thank God that could never happen here.

Posted by: DOCTOR Jill at December 11, 2023 01:01 PM (j4U/Z)

268 250 How can the left still accuse anyone of being a Nazi? They still will of course.

Dontcha know that the core tenet of NAZIism was the protect the right of Jews to keep and bare arms?!?
Posted by: 18-1 at December 11, 2023 12:58 PM (XqcwY)

I find it rather funny that the Islamos claim that the Holocaust was fake but in the next breath are pissed at Hitler for not going far enough - all while accusing Israel of acting like Hitler.

Gold, Jerry.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 11, 2023 01:01 PM (x0n13)

269 Remember when all reasonable conservatives agreed that Alex Jones must be banned from all social media?

And how they all swore it was just him who would be banned, only because he was so extreme?

They are still insisting one more surrender to the left and we'll be left alone and everything will go back to 2003.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice - Personality Commentator at December 11, 2023 01:01 PM (TzW+Y)

270 The whole point of university presidents is to schmooze rich alumni for donations. If they can't deliver, then they have to go.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at December 11, 2023 12:53 PM (7fElN)

Bingo bango. Magill got gone because a donor was yanking back a donation of shares in a limited partnership under the terms of the LP agreement due to discriminatory acts. Those shares were worth $100 million.

Here's some inside both legal and development baseball: after Princeton paid out $90 million to settle the suit by the Robertson family about the abuse of donor intent in how Princeton was using a donation to a foundation in ways that were absolutely against donor intent, more and more high dollar value donors are making explicit limitations in how money can be used and in retaining control of gifts in kind, such as stock shares and the like.

Magill was fired in an attempt to keep other large number donors for saying nope, you violated terms, we are taking all the money back.

Posted by: alexthechick at December 11, 2023 01:01 PM (ivr2I)

271 his is pissing me off in a way.
This is not about free speech. This is about antisemetism. This is about Jews being singled out as less than human so any action against them i s justified. It is endorsing in a way what the Koran says about Jews. It is just sickening.

Posted by: s

free means free, just because you disagree dose not mean it is not free speech

Posted by: N at December 11, 2023 01:01 PM (RjBju)

272 I have similar feelings about the End of Days.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at December 11, 2023 12:58 PM (xcxpd)

=======

Schwarzenegger made better.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at December 11, 2023 12:59 PM (GBKbO)

ISWYDT.

It's not bad, really. If I could do a pass on the screenplay, it might even be good. Might be the last decent Schwarzenegger movie. Plus he dies at the end.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at December 11, 2023 01:01 PM (xcxpd)

273 Cristopher F. Rufo ⚔️
@realchrisrufo
15m
I have an exclusive interview with Dr. Carol Swain about Claudine Gay, who plagiarized Swain's work. Swain does not hold back. Coming out later today.

Dr Carol Swain is great. I have her book: Black Eye for America How Critical Race Theory Is Burning Down The House.

Posted by: redridinghood at December 11, 2023 01:02 PM (NpAcC)

274 According to the woke, being punctual is racist. Using this standard, forcing someone to NOT plagiarize is also racist.

Posted by: Montec at December 11, 2023 01:02 PM (Tll0L)

275 258 251 Same

I have similar feelings about the End of Days.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at December 11, 2023 12:58 PM (xcxpd)

=======

Schwarzenegger made better.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at December 11, 2023 12:59 PM (GBKbO)

"Christ in New York...Christina York!"
Yeah, amazing movie.
/sarc

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 11, 2023 01:02 PM (ynpvh)

276 "Chris Rufo claims he has proof that Harvard's president Gay plagiarized her PhD thesis. If that's true Harvard has to dump her. "

Just in time, the left has come up with the idea that the concept plagiarizing is racist.

Posted by: Ripley at December 11, 2023 01:02 PM (JojsZ)

277 I'm witty af. Sometimes. Well, almost never. This once.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at December 11, 2023 12:51 PM (GBKbO)

Brilliant, Sir.

Posted by: mrp at December 11, 2023 01:02 PM (rj6Yv)

278 Money Talks.

And that will be the Epitaph of the Republic.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at December 11, 2023 12:56 PM (xcxpd)

It's fine that money talks. The problem is that bullshit doesn't walk anymore.

Posted by: Milquetoast Mortgage-Paying Neighbor in Flyover Country at December 11, 2023 01:02 PM (5C4od)

279 Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at December 11, 2023 12:53 PM (7fElN)

I think with a number of universities they got lots of money from Muslim countries and also have a quite a few Musli students. The big Muslim donors might outweigh the Jewish ones, because MIT certainly came right out with their endorsement.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 11, 2023 01:03 PM (RSbhh)

280 Damn it! Get your shoes off the furniture!
Posted by: Diogenes at December

I've been told pron flics often show women wear high heels into bed. Not sure of the truth about that.

Posted by: That Northernlurke embracing the suckd at December 11, 2023 01:03 PM (hCt6Y)

281 It is utterly predictable. Gay represents the absolute trainwreck of affirmative action.

Like when she got tenure at Stanford with only four academic publications.

At places like Stanford, you now have Stanford "A" (the real university where standards still apply), and Stanford "B" (where completely unqualified people get hired for political reasons).

However, every year, "B" gets bigger, and "A" gets smaller. When DEI committees control who the math department gets to hire, things are going to go south very quickly.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 11, 2023 01:03 PM (YAtuc)

282 227 I said it here years ago: SNL is 90 minutes of msnbc with applause and laughing sound effects.

Posted by: Soothsayer at December 11, 2023 12:56 PM (S3UJx

MS-NSDAP

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 11, 2023 01:03 PM (x0n13)

283 Finally quick lunch time

Posted by: Skip at December 11, 2023 01:03 PM (XIuDF)

284 251 238 It's weird watching civilization crumble. Not like I thought it would look like. Maybe later.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at December 11, 2023 12:57 PM (BdMk6)

Same

I have similar feelings about the End of Days.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at December 11, 2023 12:58 PM (xcxpd)

Not with a bang but a whimper.

Posted by: Entropy. It's the law. at December 11, 2023 01:03 PM (wtpA4)

285 AH, the Talking Heads. Good stuff.

Posted by: Richard Dawson at December 11, 2023 01:03 PM (R4t5M)

286 151 Calls for genocide are never acceptable in any context...
Posted by: Bonecrusher

Considers comments on AoS (some posted by me) regarding solving the Palestinian problem...

Nope. I stand by it.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at December 11, 2023 01:03 PM (/NPLN)

287 I find it rather funny that the Islamos claim that the Holocaust was fake but in the next breath are pissed at Hitler for not going far enough - all while accusing Israel of acting like Hitler.

Merited impossibility.

Jihadis: Hitler never killed millions of you Jews and boy did you deserve it when he did!

Once you think about it you see it all over the left.

Inflation? There's no inflation! Oh and the inflation you are experiencing is good for you anyway!

Posted by: 18-1 at December 11, 2023 01:03 PM (XqcwY)

288 Did Dr. Carol Swain vote for Biden? Cause that's how you tell if someone is black or not.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at December 11, 2023 01:00 PM (GBKbO)
******
No she did not.

Posted by: redridinghood at December 11, 2023 01:03 PM (NpAcC)

289 Professor of Propaganda

Posted by: Skip at December 11, 2023 01:04 PM (XIuDF)

290 Heather Mac Donald argues that conservatives chose the most expeditious path to getting vengeance on the woke left, but not the right one. And that the woke left will weaponize our mistake against us:

"Critics of the American university have seized on what they perceive as the most efficacious means for discrediting academia."

They should have pounced instead??

Posted by: Doof at December 11, 2023 01:04 PM (eNASR)

291 Mr. Magoo > Ms. Magill

Posted by: wth at December 11, 2023 01:04 PM (v0R5T)

292 If we will just dump Trump and support Nikkiii, the left will stop cheating in elections, stop banning conservatives and end cancel culture!

Billionaire donors are never wrong!

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice - Personality Commentator at December 11, 2023 01:04 PM (TzW+Y)

293 I've noticed this on twitter about the word "genocide"; outside of the real, historical thing, leftists who use it are like apes who have been taught a few words. They use it over and over again even though they have no idea what it actually means.

I had a leftist tell me that opposition to gay marriage was racist. And all his friends nodded their heads in agreement.

Most woke arguments are basically a degraded version of MadLibs, with only a few woke words allowed to be dropped into the blanks.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 11, 2023 01:05 PM (CsUN+)

294 A festering, fly-ridden pile of shit > Ms. Magill

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at December 11, 2023 01:05 PM (R4t5M)

295 And that the woke left will weaponize our mistake against us

Oh no, no that!

The woke have already done that. It's practically illegal to be a conservative on many of these campuses.

Posted by: good luck with neutral principles at December 11, 2023 01:05 PM (ttzpt)

296 164 This is pissing me off in a way.
This is not about free speech. This is about antisemetism. This is about Jews being singled out as less than human so any action against them i s justified. It is endorsing in a way what the Koran says about Jews. It is just sickening.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice)
----------

It's a wedge against all of us. Thinking it's just the Jews is another way to separate us from each other.
We, all of us, must take it to them or we will fail.

Posted by: Braenyard at December 11, 2023 01:05 PM (Zd0xi)

297 When will the brain damaged trash of Antifa start punching Palestinians?

Posted by: That Northernlurke embracing the suckd at December 11, 2023 01:05 PM (hCt6Y)

298 Alex Jones says some interesting, true, stuff and some crazy out there stuff.

However, nothing, NOTHING, he has said puts him out of the mainstream of what similiar leftwing activists say on a regular basis.

Hell, Jones launched his career questing the WoT and the left made him into a movie star. Literally. He plays himself being the victim of government censorship in 2006's Through a Scanner Darkly.

Posted by: 18-1 at December 11, 2023 01:05 PM (XqcwY)

299 I feel like there is wiggle room between free speech and public declarations that a people group should be slaughtered.

Like we can maintain a principle of free speech but dude you can't say that and mean it.

Posted by: TexasDan at December 11, 2023 01:05 PM (wwB5O)

300
I think with a number of universities they got lots of money from Muslim countries and also have a quite a few Musli students. The big Muslim donors might outweigh the Jewish ones, because MIT certainly came right out with their endorsement.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 11, 2023 01:03 PM (RSbhh)

The country name you seek is Qatar.

Posted by: alexthechick at December 11, 2023 01:06 PM (ivr2I)

301 UPenn's not the boy-rape-enthusiast one, that's Penn State, right?

Penn State enabled Jerry Sandusky to criminally violate little boys in plain sight.

University of Pennsylvania, an Ivy League school is the one that hates wipipo and Jew oppressors.

Posted by: kallisto at December 11, 2023 01:06 PM (dCxaZ)

302 After having been kicked off campus for her white adjacency, this leggy Asian with great teeth hopes that the entire rotten edifice collapses:
https://is.gd/K0TCTI
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 11, 2023 12:54 PM (zxP/x)

Cute and petite. Yum.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at December 11, 2023 01:06 PM (BdMk6)

303 Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at December 11, 2023 12:49 PM (t/2Uw)

They psycho lefty and Muslim Jew-haters have been fixtures on campus going back to when I was in college in the late 70s early 80s.

The difference is we were louder than they were in protesting them and most crucially we were ALLOWED to protest them.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton
In a way you make my point. Back in the day, they were considered a minority, kind of like Nazis. No real threat. I grew up in Ct probably a community similar to yours and never felt threatened by antisemetism.
This situation is not about free expression. Being able to articulate different viewpoints. This is about the kind of visceral hatred that the left feels for anyone who disagrees with their viewpoint and now it is totally focused on Jews. This is fomenting violence.
Watch the Dr Phil video. The point he makes is that the kind of violence that took place on 10/7 is unique. It was a slaughter of epic proportion and the people commiting it were rejoicing in it. It was up close and personal.
This is not about making a case for free speech because you want to change people'sminds.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at December 11, 2023 01:06 PM (t/2Uw)

304 Be nice if Musk stepped up and said something along the lines of tell ya what - fire her and replace her with someone who does not have a history of censorship and then here is a check for a billion dollars.

Posted by: CtHillary, dead but dreaming at December 11, 2023 01:07 PM (zSyrn)

305 After having been kicked off campus for her white adjacency, this leggy Asian with great teeth hopes that the entire rotten edifice collapses:
https://is.gd/K0TCTI
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 11, 2023 12:54 PM (zxP/x)

Nice. Gonna guess mixed blood tho. NTTAWWT

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at December 11, 2023 01:07 PM (xcxpd)

306 250 How can the left still accuse anyone of being a Nazi? They still will of course.

Dontcha know that the core tenet of NAZIism was the protect the right of Jews to keep and bare arms?!?
Posted by: 18-1 at December 11, 2023 12:58 PM (XqcwY)

One of the most ridiculous examples recently was the loathsome Van Jones saying that he was left "literally shaking" because Vivek Ramswamay made reference to the Great Replacement Theory.
"Literally, I was shaking listening to him talk because a lot of people don’t know that is one step away from Nazi propaganda coming out of his mouth."

Van Jones is shaking because the thinks Vivek is "One step away" from being a nazi, yet he has nothing to say about his own party going Full Nazi. (there was a speech by Cornel West yesterday that would have made the Fuhrer himself proud, and I am not exagerrating)

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 11, 2023 01:07 PM (i9ffA)

307 I feel like there is wiggle room between free speech and public declarations that a people group should be slaughtered.

Like we can maintain a principle of free speech but dude you can't say that and mean it.
Posted by: TexasDan

and who do you want in charge of doing the deciding?

or is it just easier to go with what the Constitution says?

Posted by: N at December 11, 2023 01:07 PM (RjBju)

308 296 It's a wedge against all of us. Thinking it's just the Jews is another way to separate us from each other.
We, all of us, must take it to them or we will fail.
Posted by: Braenyard at December 11, 2023 01:05 PM (Zd0xi)

As I wrote this morning, all the lefty Jews are shocked! at the anti-semitism on campus, but where the fuck have they been for the past 10-20 years at all the anti-AMERICANISM on campus?

Crickets.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 11, 2023 01:07 PM (x0n13)

309 another route to a possible solution:

https://is.gd/1P4Lfw

(American spectator)
Posted by: sock_rat_eez

Motion that table.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot

I'd rather they put the table in motion.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at December 11, 2023 01:07 PM (oW3Iu)

310 That walking skidmark could always get work as Resusci Annie.

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in solidarity with the struggle to maintain Moron standards at December 11, 2023 01:07 PM (R6b5X)

311 I find it rather funny that the Islamos claim that the Holocaust was fake but in the next breath are pissed at Hitler for not going far enough - all while accusing Israel of acting like Hitler.

Gold, Jerry.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 11, 2023 01:01 PM (x0n13)

Mark Steyn pointed out a similar blatant contradiction when Muslims claimed 9/11 was a Mossad op and also a great victory for Islam. Square that circle.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 11, 2023 01:08 PM (KSNKu)

312 Everyone knew her as Nancy

Posted by: JackStraw at December 11, 2023 01:08 PM (ZLI7S)

313 Calls for genocide are never acceptable in any context...
Posted by: Bonecrusher

Considers comments on AoS (some posted by me) regarding solving the Palestinian problem...

Nope. I stand by it.
Posted by: Moron Analyst

Biggest difference is they have proven they cannot live amongst civilized people.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 11, 2023 01:08 PM (ous9O)

314 286 151 Calls for genocide are never acceptable in any context...
Posted by: Bonecrusher

Considers comments on AoS (some posted by me) regarding solving the Palestinian problem...

Nope. I stand by it.
Posted by: Moron Analyst at December 11, 2023 01:03 PM (/NPLN)

Interesting question... is there a word for wiping out a CULTURE... without having to blatantly kill everyone in it?

But also not absolving said group, from the crimes of their past?

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 11, 2023 01:08 PM (xaFKb)

315 The country name you seek is Qatar.
Posted by: alexthechick at December 11, 2023 01:06 PM (ivr2I)

It's a very small place. One decent nuke, and it would cease to be a problem for anyone.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 11, 2023 01:08 PM (aNACl)

316 ISWYDT.

It's not bad, really. If I could do a pass on the screenplay, it might even be good. Might be the last decent Schwarzenegger movie. Plus he dies at the end.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at December 11, 2023 01:01 PM (xcxpd)

I'm old enough to remember when Arnuld had his own little appearance on (then) WWF to promote that film.

And yeah, I enjoyed it for what it was. Not as good as "True Lies", but better than, say, "Collateral Damage" or anything post that that I've seen.

Posted by: Thrawn at December 11, 2023 01:09 PM (5aFbR)

317 As I wrote this morning, all the lefty Jews are shocked! at the anti-semitism on campus, but where the fuck have they been for the past 10-20 years at all the anti-AMERICANISM on campus?

Crickets.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 11, 2023 01:07 PM (x0n13)

Yep, and recall the similar support for BLM in 2020. Revolutions eat their own.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 11, 2023 01:09 PM (KSNKu)

318 300 The country name you seek is Qatar.
Posted by: alexthechick at December 11, 2023 01:06 PM (ivr2I)

Bingo. And welcome back.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 11, 2023 01:09 PM (x0n13)

319
Mandatory DEI hires of "college" graduates was a huge topic of discussion at last week's Christmas party; they pretend to work or their work product sucks with the certainty of a lawsuit if the company corrects or fires them.

Engineering getting hit worst.

Posted by: Auspex at December 11, 2023 01:09 PM (j4U/Z)

320 It's a very small place. One decent nuke, and it would cease to be a problem for anyone.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 11, 2023 01:08 PM (aNACl)
----
Unfortunately, this is how too many folks think of Israel...(Iran is at the very top of that list)

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at December 11, 2023 01:09 PM (7fElN)

321 315 It's a very small place. One decent nuke, and it would cease to be a problem for anyone.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 11, 2023 01:08 PM (aNACl)

========

The Ghost of J. Robert Oppenheimer is crying because of this.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at December 11, 2023 01:09 PM (GBKbO)

322 Chris Rufo claims he has proof that Harvard's president Gay plagiarized her PhD thesis. If that's true Harvard has to dump her. "

Just in time, the left has come up with the idea that the concept plagiarizing is racist.
Posted by: Ripley at Dece

Someone here yesterday posted a deep dive article on Gay's abominably thin academic credentials I understood about half of it ; what i did get is agreement that her very small amount of 'research' is not reproducible and likely fabricated.

Posted by: LASue at December 11, 2023 01:10 PM (Ed8Zd)

323 Van Jones was shaking because Vivek was over the target. They don't want that spoken about.

The more they emote and squeal and threaten, the closer you are to the truth.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at December 11, 2023 01:10 PM (R4t5M)

324 https://is.gd/K0TCTI

Me ruve you wrong time!

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in solidarity with the struggle to maintain Moron standards at December 11, 2023 01:10 PM (R6b5X)

325 Philadelphia Inquirer, Opinion, Commentary:

Liz Magill’s ouster at Penn will help the worst people take down free speech, higher ed, by Will Bunch | Columnist
Published Dec. 10, 2023

In small part, "Critics celebrating the scalping of Penn's president won't stop there. Free speech, and college itself, are in grave danger." (Much more; read if desired.)

There's ^^ the completely against DeSantis & Vivek Ramaswamy Presidential Campaigns. Couple it with foreign university funding; free or almost free college; 0% interest rates for half a million new homes, and whatever else can be promised and given away (i.e., water as public good) plus the ideas from Dick* Durbin's Newsroom (12.04.23 Durbin To Republicans: Work With Democrats To Fix Our Broken Immigration System) and there's 2024.

So thank Congress, too.

*The current Democratic public spokesperson.

Posted by: L - They don't have to outrun the bear, they only need to outrun us - for now at December 11, 2023 01:10 PM (GshMh)

326 Afternoon Ace. Over 700 Harvard faculty have signed a letter and are marching in support of the Harvard DEI hire. Congress should cut off all funding , grants, etc to each of the universities that don't jettison the dirtbags

Posted by: Smell the Glove at December 11, 2023 01:10 PM (0bAao)

327 307 I feel like there is wiggle room between free speech and public declarations that a people group should be slaughtered.

Like we can maintain a principle of free speech but dude you can't say that and mean it.
Posted by: TexasDan

and who do you want in charge of doing the deciding?
or is it just easier to go with what the Constitution says?

Posted by: N at December 11, 2023 01:07 PM (RjBju)

Defamation, calls for violence and threats of violence. Those are about the only exceptions. There are already laws on the books for each of those cases, if they would only be enforced. Soros has tried his best to make sure they're only enforced against the Left's enemies.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 11, 2023 01:10 PM (ynpvh)

328 "Literally, I was shaking listening to him talk because a lot of people don’t know that is one step away from Nazi propaganda coming out of his mouth."

Has anyone asked him if Democrat insiders John B. Judis and Ruy Teixeira were also one step away from NAZI propaganda when they wrote The Emerging Democratic Majority and won all the left's book awards back in 2004 for arguing that the Democrats were going to import enough third worlders to drown out the votes of heritage Americans?

Posted by: 18-1 at December 11, 2023 01:10 PM (XqcwY)

329 321 315 It's a very small place. One decent nuke, and it would cease to be a problem for anyone.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 11, 2023 01:08 PM (aNACl)

========

The Ghost of J. Robert Oppenheimer is crying because of this.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at December 11, 2023 01:09 PM (GBKbO)

Good. Fucking crybaby commie...

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at December 11, 2023 01:10 PM (xcxpd)

330 151 Calls for genocide are never acceptable in any context...
Posted by: Bonecrusher

Considers comments on AoS (some posted by me) regarding solving the Palestinian problem...
-

Nope. I stand by it.
Posted by: Moron Analyst at December 11, 2023 01:03 PM (/NPLN)
-

I half stand with you. In the case of Gaza, I said from the start that if it were up to me, I would give civilians the most minimal amount of time needed to run away from every last centimeter of Gaza. Then the flattening begins, whether 1,000,000 or 1 person left.

However, I view none of them as innocent or worthy of continuing to suck oxygen out of the air.

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at December 11, 2023 01:10 PM (PTdof)

331 Interesting question... is there a word for wiping out a CULTURE... without having to blatantly kill everyone in it?

But also not absolving said group, from the crimes of their past?
Posted by: Romeo13 at December 11, 2023 01:08 PM (xaFKb)

The word you seek is "Assimilation"

Posted by: Milquetoast Mortgage-Paying Neighbor in Flyover Country at December 11, 2023 01:10 PM (5C4od)

332 The country name you seek is Qatar.
Posted by: alexthechick at December 11, 2023 01:06 PM (ivr2I)

It's a very small place. One decent nuke, and it would cease to be a problem for anyone.

Okay, but not before we determine exactly how the country's name is pronounced and spelled.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 11, 2023 01:11 PM (CsUN+)

333
"Your mind's in the Qatar,
Your sperm's in the sink . . . "

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 11, 2023 01:11 PM (x0n13)

334 325 Philadelphia Inquirer, Opinion, Commentary:

Liz Magill’s ouster at Penn will help the worst people take down free speech, higher ed, by Will Bunch | Columnist
Published Dec. 10, 2023

Posted by: L - They don't have to outrun the bear, they only need to outrun us - for now at December 11, 2023 01:10 PM (GshMh)

=========

So, does this free speech absolutist demand that universities stop punishing students and professors who say, "a woman is a woman" or question DEI policy?

Or is squashing that kind of speech okay? If so, how does that relate to the need for free speech on college campuses?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at December 11, 2023 01:11 PM (GBKbO)

335 I think with a number of universities they got lots of money from Muslim countries and also have a quite a few Musli students. The big Muslim donors might outweigh the Jewish ones, because MIT certainly came right out with their endorsement.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 11, 2023 01:03 PM (RSbhh)

The country name you seek is Qatar.
Posted by: alexthechick at December 11, 2023 01:06 PM (ivr2I)

To their great shame, even Texas A&M has taken nearly $500 million dollars in grants from Qatar, and has set up a satellite campus in Qatar. The money is insidious.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 11, 2023 01:12 PM (i9ffA)

336 Also the argument that we are creating legal standards of some sort in getting these presidents fired is laughable. It's all Calvinball.

It's fine if conservatives want to work out a theoretical "if I were in charge how would I protect free speech and yet deal with violent antisemitic rallies?" questions. In the mean time we punch back against anti semitism in any way that might work.

Posted by: TexasDan at December 11, 2023 01:12 PM (wwB5O)

337 Okay, but not before we determine exactly how the country's name is pronounced and spelled.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 11, 2023 01:11 PM (CsUN+)
++++
"radioactive rubble" is pretty unambiguous...

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 11, 2023 01:12 PM (zxP/x)

338 329 Good. Fucking crybaby commie...
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at December 11, 2023 01:10 PM (xcxpd)

"I can haz become death?"

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 11, 2023 01:12 PM (x0n13)

339
Defamation, calls for violence and threats of violence. Those are about the only exceptions. There are already laws on the books for each of those cases, if they would only be enforced. Soros has tried his best to make sure they're only enforced against the Left's enemies.
Posted by: jim

this has already ben ruled by the courts. any violence concern would have to be something real and imminent.

free means free.

besides, how's that court thingy working out for bruen?

Posted by: N at December 11, 2023 01:12 PM (RjBju)

340 The country name you seek is Qatar.
Posted by: alexthechick at December 11, 2023 01:06 PM (ivr2I)

It's a very small place. One decent nuke, and it would cease to be a problem for anyone.

I think that the Saudis have given up on the idea of making the Saudi-Qatari border Saudi's nuclear waste dump.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 11, 2023 01:12 PM (YAtuc)

341 Cutter.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at December 11, 2023 01:12 PM (R4t5M)

342 "I can haz become death?"
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 11, 2023 01:12 PM (x0n13)

lol

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at December 11, 2023 01:13 PM (xcxpd)

343 ha ha if Will Bunch is for ANYTHING the safe bet is to be against it (and the reverse).

he's s sick, sick man

Posted by: BlackOrchid at December 11, 2023 01:13 PM (AcWfM)

344 Q: Is rape ever an acceptable tactic in war?
The Left: Depends on who is being raped.

To the American Left, some women deserve to be raped.

Abortion must be legal, in case of rape, because the left supports rape as a tactic of subjugation.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice - Personality Commentator at December 11, 2023 01:13 PM (TzW+Y)

345 113 Calling for murder of a group of people if not " protected speech" according to the ruling by SCOTUS. Theoretically they could be prosecuted.
Posted by: vic at December 11, 2023 12:41 PM (A5THL)

I'm not sure which case you're referring to. There are cases about incitement to imminent lawless activity, and "true threats" as being unprotected by the First Amendment but it's usually a difficult case to make. But there could be circumstances in which First Amendment protections would not apply to statements promoting genocide.

Posted by: Defamation and child pr0n don't get 1st A protection either at December 11, 2023 01:13 PM (wtpA4)

346 Qatar is an odd place. U.S. central command is still headquartered there.

Posted by: blaster at December 11, 2023 01:13 PM (IFNME)

347 337 Okay, but not before we determine exactly how the country's name is pronounced and spelled.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 11, 2023 01:11 PM (CsUN+)
++++
"radioactive rubble" is pretty unambiguous...

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 11, 2023 01:12 PM (zxP/x)

At which point it will be called Qrater.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 11, 2023 01:13 PM (ynpvh)

348 The country name you seek is Qatar.
Posted by: alexthechick at December 11, 2023 01:06 PM (ivr2I)

Thanks; I think other Muslim countries give money too.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 11, 2023 01:13 PM (RSbhh)

349 Heather Mac Donald argues that conservatives chose the most expeditious path to getting vengeance on the woke left, but not the right one. And that the woke left will weaponize our mistake against us:

"Critics of the American university have seized on what they perceive as the most efficacious means for discrediting academia."

They should have pounced instead??
Posted by: Doof at December 11, 2023 01:04 PM (eNASR)

Heather Mac Donald seems oblivious to the fact that the Left pre-emptively "weaponizes" every social and political entity that serves its purpose. When US Grant became the Union's General-in-Chief, he said something to the effect that he didn't want to hear about Lee doing this or Lee doing that; his purpose was to make Lee worry about what the Army of the Potomac was going to do to him.

Posted by: mrp at December 11, 2023 01:13 PM (rj6Yv)

350 So, does this free speech absolutist demand that universities stop punishing students and professors who say, "a woman is a woman" or question DEI policy?

Or is squashing that kind of speech okay? If so, how does that relate to the need for free speech on college campuses?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures

free should be absolute, easier and better for everybody.

Posted by: N at December 11, 2023 01:13 PM (RjBju)

351 334 So, does this free speech absolutist demand that universities stop punishing students and professors who say, "a woman is a woman" or question DEI policy?

Or is squashing that kind of speech okay? If so, how does that relate to the need for free speech on college campuses?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at December 11, 2023 01:11 PM (GBKbO)

Either free speech is absolute or it isn't. And that does not include calls inciting violence and death.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 11, 2023 01:13 PM (x0n13)

352 Okay, but not before we determine exactly how the country's name is pronounced and spelled.
Posted by: Archimedes

Spelled Qatar. Pronounced Cutter. Don't ask why. I just know my company has a presence there and that's how they reference it.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 11, 2023 01:14 PM (ous9O)

353 Micro-stamp Schwarzenegger is another walking skidmark.
Also knocked up his nanny and she is a double for Ernest Borgnine .

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in solidarity with the struggle to maintain Moron standards at December 11, 2023 01:14 PM (R6b5X)

354 "Your mind's in the Qatar,
Your sperm's in the sink . . . "
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 11, 2023 01:11 PM (x0n13)
-

Someone's got Yemen on their mind.

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at December 11, 2023 01:14 PM (PTdof)

355 "She keeps her job as a professor of Bullshit."
This is incorrect. She is a female and a bull is a male.

Posted by: Roland F Hirsch at December 11, 2023 01:14 PM (oMkPq)

356 353 Micro-stamp Schwarzenegger is another walking skidmark.
Also knocked up his nanny and she is a double for Ernest Borgnine .

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in solidarity with the struggle to maintain Moron standards at December 11, 2023 01:14 PM (R6b5X)

She had a robust bone structure. She's beefy.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 11, 2023 01:14 PM (ynpvh)

357 The person Rufo claims Gay plagiarized is Dr. Carol Swain, a very prominent black conservative and former law professor at Vanderbilt.

Not gonna be able to claim racism on this one.

Black conservatives are white. Liberals say it all the time. So racism is back on the menu as a defense of President Gay.

Posted by: Barack Obama at December 11, 2023 01:15 PM (0A/JS)

358 348 The country name you seek is Qatar.
Posted by: alexthechick at December 11, 2023 01:06 PM (ivr2I)

Thanks; I think other Muslim countries give money too.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 11, 2023 01:13 PM (RSbhh)

True. And lest we forget China.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 11, 2023 01:15 PM (x0n13)

359 350 free should be absolute, easier and better for everybody.
Posted by: N at December 11, 2023 01:13 PM (RjBju)

=======

Should be, but isn't.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at December 11, 2023 01:15 PM (GBKbO)

360 Pronounced Cutter.

Turd cutter in the gutter.

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in solidarity with the struggle to maintain Moron standards at December 11, 2023 01:15 PM (R6b5X)

361 Either free speech is absolute or it isn't. And that does not include calls inciting violence and death.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton

yes,
however, the incitement to violence has to be imminent and proximate

Posted by: N at December 11, 2023 01:15 PM (RjBju)

362 At which point it will be called Qrater.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 11, 2023 01:13 PM (ynpvh)
++++
Boy did I ever miss that opportunity.

Well done.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 11, 2023 01:16 PM (zxP/x)

363 Cutter.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at December 11, 2023 01:12 PM (R4t5M)

Had a friend who worked there on contract in an oilfield-related job. He was treated quite well. Died quite young of a brain cancer. He told me that "cutter" is about as close as we Westerners can get.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 11, 2023 01:16 PM (aNACl)

364 >> [SNL] have clearly fired all the Jewish writers, not because otherwise they wouldn't be trivializing antisemitism, but because no Jew could write "jokes" this bad.

Billy Crystal could. That guy was never funny.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby at December 11, 2023 01:16 PM (GXBev)

365 They are resigning trying to placate the moneyed Jewish donors and good people who like to be asleep and feel good for donating to go back to bed.

I pray they do not.

Posted by: sven at December 11, 2023 01:16 PM (X0I7i)

366 341 Cutter.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at December 11, 2023 01:12 PM (R4t5M)

Fuck you, college boy.

Posted by: Working class Indiana townie at December 11, 2023 01:16 PM (wtpA4)

367 Sian Beilock. Does anyone know if she's been an asshole yet?

Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at December 11, 2023 12:44 PM (Mzdiz)

Shockingly, she has been good.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 11, 2023 01:16 PM (sM1IA)

368 361 Either free speech is absolute or it isn't. And that does not include calls inciting violence and death.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton

yes,
however, the incitement to violence has to be imminent and proximate

Posted by: N at December 11, 2023 01:15 PM (RjBju)

Because it could well be hyperbole, parody, and sarcasm which are protected.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 11, 2023 01:16 PM (ynpvh)

369
Catarrh: excessive discharge or buildup of mucus in the nose or throat, associated with inflammation of the mucous membrane.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 11, 2023 01:16 PM (x0n13)

370 "So to be honest I think just sticking a knife in where[ you can is the only option open to us."

I'm thinking we need to heed Barack Obama's advice on knife fights.

Posted by: creeper at December 11, 2023 01:16 PM (cTCuP)

371 Free speech is the goal but if only one side is playing by the rules there is no free speech. At Harvard not using someone's preferred pronouns is considered harassment.

It's ridiculous to go into this fight assuming the left will play fair. They don't and they won't. That's the only reason they win. Play by their rules until they experience enough pain to agree to our rules of free speech for everyone.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 11, 2023 01:16 PM (ZLI7S)

372 350 free should be absolute, easier and better for everybody.
Posted by: N at December 11, 2023 01:13 PM (RjBju)

=======

Should be, but isn't.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures

better than any alternative.

besides , not even half the horde wants free speech, they just want what they say to be free.

swap Jews for porn and watch the fun.

Posted by: N at December 11, 2023 01:16 PM (RjBju)

373 I've been wondering: what was the name of the Nazi the Israelis kidnapped in Brazil and smuggled back to Israel for trial and execution?

Posted by: That Northernlurke embracing the suckd at December 11, 2023 01:17 PM (hCt6Y)

374 Someone's got Yemen on their mind.

-

One of Ray Charles' lesser known B-sides.

Posted by: Nikki Haley - No R candidates will discuss voter fraud because Trump said pussy at December 11, 2023 01:17 PM (6Y/Rl)

375 And that the woke left will weaponize our mistake against us.

_

What do you mean "will" with the future tense? They manifestly already have, and unless you hold to the extremely contentious philosophical position of retro causality, asserting that our actions now can be the cause for the actions of the left that already happened, this is just a non-starter.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at December 11, 2023 01:17 PM (fKIdX)

376 367 Sian Beilock. Does anyone know if she's been an asshole yet?

Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at December 11, 2023 12:44 PM (Mzdiz)

Shockingly, she has been good.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 11, 2023 01:16 PM (sM1IA)

Drunk under the table from too much "tranya."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 11, 2023 01:17 PM (x0n13)

377 Arguing that we can't use the same weapons against them that the left uses against us is about the same as saying we can't abridge anyone's civilian rights once they enter the military to fight an aggressive enemy like Nazi Germany. There's a reason we have a UCMJ.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 11, 2023 01:17 PM (CsUN+)

378 Van Jones is shaking because the thinks Vivek is "One step away" from being a nazi, yet he has nothing to say about his own party going Full Nazi. (there was a speech by Cornel West yesterday that would have made the Fuhrer himself proud, and I am not exagerrating)
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 11, 2023 01:07 PM

Projection...it's not just a river in Egypt.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 11, 2023 01:17 PM (aQy7p)

379 One day worried about money for medical care and the day after passing out $5000 dollar gift cards to the new subjects.

Is that true about the $$$?

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at December 11, 2023 01:18 PM (J8LnB)

380 Heather MacDonald pretends that we are in control of any aspect of this ride.

We control (for now sans any more GOP idiocies and tantrums) one mechanism to shine light on this bullshit.

We can use that light to scatter the roaches, we yet lack the power to punish them while generating better policy.

Posted by: sven at December 11, 2023 01:18 PM (X0I7i)

381 Top 15 Recipients of Funding From Arab Sources

Institution Gifts/ ContractsValue

Cornell University127 $1,513,778,660
Georgetown University78 $748,185,798
Carnegie Mellon University 40 $673,570,289
Texas A&M University 365 $620,787,891
Northwestern University109 $586,271,159
University of Colorado 209 $422,344,963
Pennsylvania State University 137 $219,098,040
Harvard University 102 $187,133,626
George Washington University 1,134 $177,987,986
Virginia Commonwealth University 31 $172,260,309
New York University 75 $162,316,365
Massachusetts Institute of Technology 70 $160,681,053
University of Texas MD Anderson Cancer Center*
$152,573,807
George Mason University $113,475,335
New York Institute of Technology $95,150,472

Posted by: Braenyard at December 11, 2023 01:18 PM (Zd0xi)

382 373 I've been wondering: what was the name of the Nazi the Israelis kidnapped in Brazil and smuggled back to Israel for trial and execution?
Posted by: That Northernlurke embracing the suckd at December 11, 2023 01:17 PM (hCt6Y)

Adolf Eichmann.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 11, 2023 01:18 PM (x0n13)

383 373 Eichmann

Posted by: lurking at December 11, 2023 01:18 PM (mZOHK)

384 I've been wondering: what was the name of the Nazi the Israelis kidnapped in Brazil and smuggled back to Israel for trial and execution?

Eichmann.

I believe that he is the only person Israel has ever executed.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 11, 2023 01:18 PM (YAtuc)

385 Someone's got Yemen on their mind.

This is about me, isn't it?
--Sandra Fluke.

Oh, wait. You said Yemen!
--Also Sandra Fluke

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 11, 2023 01:18 PM (N39Ws)

386 I've been wondering: what was the name of the Nazi the Israelis kidnapped in Brazil and smuggled back to Israel for trial and execution?
Posted by: That Northernlurke embracing the suckd at December 11, 2023 01:17 PM (hCt6Y)
-

Eichman.

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at December 11, 2023 01:18 PM (PTdof)

387 Because it could well be hyperbole, parody, and sarcasm which are protected.
Posted by: jim

I forget the name of the guy, but in the 60s there was a guy in detroit that held up a gun and said he was going to go to dc with that gun and shoot the pres.

sc said it was free speech and not a threat

Posted by: N at December 11, 2023 01:18 PM (RjBju)

388 Sian Beilock. Does anyone know if she's been an asshole yet?

Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at December 11, 2023 12:44 PM (Mzdiz)

Shockingly, she has been good.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 11, 2023 01:16 PM

Good as in "good" or good as in "not caught on tape yet"?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 11, 2023 01:18 PM (aQy7p)

389 What's the evidence that conservatives got Magill fired anyway? This mostly seems like a fight amongst different tribes of leftists. No one cares what conservatives think.

Posted by: good luck with neutral principles at December 11, 2023 01:18 PM (ttzpt)

390 I don't care how Qatar is pronounced in Qatar for the same reason I don't say Nippon.

Posted by: Nikki Haley - No R candidates will discuss voter fraud because Trump said pussy at December 11, 2023 01:18 PM (6Y/Rl)

391 So to be honest I think just sticking a knife in where you can is the only option open to us.

As far as I am concerned, any stick will do to beat a dog.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 11, 2023 01:19 PM (Qn59F)

392 Ah yes, Eichmann.

Posted by: That Northernlurke embracing the suckd at December 11, 2023 01:19 PM (hCt6Y)

393 381 New York Institute of Technology $95,150,472
Posted by: Braenyard at December 11, 2023 01:18 PM (Zd0xi)

It was absorbed by NYU a bit over 10 years ago.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 11, 2023 01:19 PM (x0n13)

394 372 better than any alternative.

besides , not even half the horde wants free speech, they just want what they say to be free.

swap Jews for porn and watch the fun.
Posted by: N at December 11, 2023 01:16 PM (RjBju)

========

That's where interactions with the real world come in. The libertarian paradise is never going to come about. Best to make the government as free as possible considering human nature, but since we're talking about a government run by enemies of a majority of the populace, I'd say we're at war footing and it's not about principles but advantage.

Also, it needs to be noted once again that this lady lost her job not because of anything the right says or did but because a rich lefty threatened to pull a donation. This is left on left action.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at December 11, 2023 01:19 PM (GBKbO)

395 >>I forget the name of the guy, but in the 60s there was a guy in detroit that held up a gun and said he was going to go to dc with that gun and shoot the pres.

A guy in NH just got arrested for threatening to shoot Vivek.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 11, 2023 01:19 PM (ZLI7S)

396
If rape keeps abortion legal, all wymywn must support it!

Posted by: Every eminist you know at December 11, 2023 01:19 PM (j4U/Z)

397 As far as I am concerned, any stick will do to beat a dog.

Helps if you use some meat tenderizer as well

Posted by: Barack Obama at December 11, 2023 01:20 PM (XqcwY)

398 321 315 It's a very small place. One decent nuke, and it would cease to be a problem for anyone.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 11, 2023 01:08 PM (aNACl)
========
The Ghost of J. Robert Oppenheimer is crying because of this.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at December 11, 2023 01:09 PM (GBKbO)

Most people are surprised to learn that the largest American military base in the middle east is located in Qatar. From watching them over time, my impression is that Qatar doesn't actually have any beliefs or positions; rather they specialize in collecting the profits from arbitraging everyone against everyone.

Why do they host Hamas leaders? Because there's a big profit for them in doing it. When there's a bigger profit to be made in tossing them out, they'll do that - but somebody will have to pay them first.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 11, 2023 01:20 PM (i9ffA)

399 Top 15 Recipients of Funding From Arab Sources

Institution Gifts/ ContractsValue

Cornell University127 $1,513,778,660
Georgetown University78 $748,185,798
Carnegie Mellon University 40 $673,570,289
Texas A&M University 365 $620,787,891
Northwestern University109 $586,271,159
University of Colorado 209 $422,344,963
Pennsylvania State University 137 $219,098,040
Harvard University 102 $187,133,626
George Washington University 1,134 $177,987,986
Virginia Commonwealth University 31 $172,260,309
New York University 75 $162,316,365
Massachusetts Institute of Technology 70 $160,681,053
University of Texas MD Anderson Cancer Center*
$152,573,807
George Mason University $113,475,335
New York Institute of Technology $95,150,472

Huh, I would not have expected to see VCU on that list.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 11, 2023 01:20 PM (CsUN+)

400 Cornell University127 $1,513,778,660
Georgetown University78 $748,185,798
Carnegie Mellon University 40 $673,570,289
Texas A&M University 365 $620,787,891
Northwestern University109 $586,271,159
University of Colorado 209 $422,344,963
Pennsylvania State University 137 $219,098,040
Harvard University 102 $187,133,626
George Washington University 1,134 $177,987,986
Virginia Commonwealth University 31 $172,260,309
New York University 75 $162,316,365
Massachusetts Institute of Technology 70 $160,681,053
University of Texas MD Anderson Cancer Center*
$152,573,807
George Mason University $113,475,335
New York Institute of Technology $95,150,472
Posted by: Braenyard

Fucking whores.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at December 11, 2023 01:20 PM (R4t5M)

401 387 Because it could well be hyperbole, parody, and sarcasm which are protected.
Posted by: jim

I forget the name of the guy, but in the 60s there was a guy in detroit that held up a gun and said he was going to go to dc with that gun and shoot the pres.

sc said it was free speech and not a threat

Posted by: N at December 11, 2023 01:18 PM (RjBju)

Probably because paper guns don't hurt very much?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 11, 2023 01:20 PM (ynpvh)

402 384 Eichmann.

I believe that he is the only person Israel has ever executed.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 11, 2023 01:18 PM (YAtuc)

They have no death penalty but they made the exception for him, and probably would have executed Mengele who just barely got away from the same Mossad team.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 11, 2023 01:20 PM (x0n13)

403 389 What's the evidence that conservatives got Magill fired anyway? This mostly seems like a fight amongst different tribes of leftists. No one cares what conservatives think.
Posted by: good luck with neutral principles at December 11, 2023 01:18 PM (ttzpt)

========

$5 says Mitch would have supported her staying if he hadn't frozen again.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at December 11, 2023 01:20 PM (GBKbO)

404 I forget the name of the guy, but in the 60s there was a guy in detroit that held up a gun and said he was going to go to dc with that gun and shoot the pres.

A guy in NH just got arrested for threatening to shoot Vivek.
Posted by: JackStraw

and this is why we do not rely upon the court.
even if the guy was found to be within his rights, the process is the punishment.

so absolute free speech

Posted by: N at December 11, 2023 01:21 PM (RjBju)

405 390 I don't care how Qatar is pronounced in Qatar for the same reason I don't say Nippon.

Posted by: Nikki Haley - No R candidates will discuss voter fraud because Trump said pussy at December 11, 2023 01:18 PM (6Y/Rl)

Nippon, Nippoff.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 11, 2023 01:21 PM (ynpvh)

406 Qatar 939 $4,345,222,548
Saudi Arabia4,411 $2,119,786,697
UAE8 90 $1,067,753,026
Kuwait 820 $537,278,414
Oman $116,698,532
Egypt 75 $98,672,900
Bahrain 38 $54,905,058
Iraq 40 $50,108,451
Jordan 59 $21,968,092
Lebanon 38 $16,808,001
“State of Palestine” 15 $7,461,000
Libya $4,277,536
Syria5 $2,605,641
Tunisia 3 $1,033,701

Posted by: Braenyard at December 11, 2023 01:21 PM (Zd0xi)

407 148 The way to get stupid rules revoked is to apply them ruthlessly. This is not a new concept.
Posted by: alexthechick at December 11, 2023 12:46 PM (ivr2I)

“The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly.”

― Abraham Lincoln

Posted by: Half Dozen at December 11, 2023 01:21 PM (eHovo)

408 396
If rape keeps abortion legal, all wymywn must support it!
Posted by: Every eminist you know at December 11, 2023 01:19 PM (j4U/Z)

Rape?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 11, 2023 01:21 PM (x0n13)

409 even john bolton hates qatar

Posted by: N at December 11, 2023 01:21 PM (RjBju)

410 Oh nice my Alma Mater is finally number 1 at something

Posted by: TexasDan at December 11, 2023 01:21 PM (wwB5O)

411 Posted by: Tom Servo at December 11, 2023 01:20 PM (i9ffA)

They also simply hate Jews, like everywhere else in the gulf. The money is a bonus.

Posted by: lurking at December 11, 2023 01:21 PM (mZOHK)

412 Most people are surprised to learn that the largest American military base in the middle east is located in Qatar. From watching them over time, my impression is that Qatar doesn't actually have any beliefs or positions; rather they specialize in collecting the profits from arbitraging everyone against everyone.

Why do they host Hamas leaders? Because there's a big profit for them in doing it. When there's a bigger profit to be made in tossing them out, they'll do that - but somebody will have to pay them first.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 11, 2023 01:20 PM (i9ffA)

That's bazaar.

Posted by: mrp at December 11, 2023 01:21 PM (rj6Yv)

413 Posted by: good luck with neutral principles at December 11, 2023 01:18 PM (ttzpt)

She resigned. She wasn't fired. She's still a professor at the law school.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 11, 2023 01:22 PM (RSbhh)

414 Most people are surprised to learn that the largest American military base in the middle east is located in Qatar. From watching them over time, my impression is that Qatar doesn't actually have any beliefs or positions; rather they specialize in collecting the profits from arbitraging everyone against everyone.

Why do they host Hamas leaders? Because there's a big profit for them in doing it. When there's a bigger profit to be made in tossing them out, they'll do that - but somebody will have to pay them first.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 11, 2023 01:20 PM (i9ffA)

And if they ceased to exist, would anybody miss them?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 11, 2023 01:22 PM (aNACl)

415 Source: https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org
/arab-funding-of-american-universities-
donors-recipients-and-impact

Posted by: Braenyard at December 11, 2023 01:22 PM (Zd0xi)

416 331 The word you seek is "Assimilation"
Posted by: Milquetoast Mortgage-Paying Neighbor in Flyover Country at December 11, 2023 01:10 PM (5C4od)

What in Islam (aside from building flights) is remotely worthy of being assilimated?

Posted by: XTC at December 11, 2023 01:22 PM (sm6Pk)

417 That's bazaar.
Posted by: mrp at December 11, 2023 01:21 PM (rj6Yv)
-

ISWYDT.

Do you?

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at December 11, 2023 01:23 PM (PTdof)

418 FIRE has done this work - we should hold their list up as the ideal colleges and work to flip the "Ivy is best" script...
Posted by: Nova Local at December 11, 2023 12:57 PM (exHjb

FIRE rates Hillsdale as special, absolute worst score on free speech.

Posted by: Emmie at December 11, 2023 01:23 PM (Sf2cq)

419 They always have some fuckin' cucked-out, tucked under, pussy fag argument for why the right must never ever claim a scalp, and continue winning by losing.

Sure as the sun rises.

Posted by: Yudhishthira Florian Maria Hohenzollern von Schloengishugen, Liechtensteinian Usurper at December 11, 2023 01:23 PM (0FoWg)

420 Fucking whores.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at December 11, 2023 01:20 PM (R4t5M)

Worse. They take your money, but they only fuck metaphorically.

Posted by: lurking at December 11, 2023 01:23 PM (mZOHK)

421 404
A guy in NH just got arrested for threatening to shoot Vivek.
Posted by: JackStraw

Appears to be an Administrative Assistant at Univ. of New Hampshire. Don't have to guess what his political leanings are.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 11, 2023 01:23 PM (N39Ws)

422 402 They have no death penalty but they made the exception for him, and probably would have executed Mengele who just barely got away from the same Mossad team.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 11, 2023 01:20 PM (x0n13)

But as we all know, Israel has no problems targeting individuals for extra-judicial liquidation. See the Munich terrorists, Gerald Bull and all those Iranian nuke scientists and a few weapons dealers in the UAE.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 11, 2023 01:23 PM (x0n13)

423 421 404
A guy in NH just got arrested for threatening to shoot Vivek.
Posted by: JackStraw

Appears to be an Administrative Assistant at Univ. of New Hampshire. Don't have to guess what his political leanings are.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 11, 2023 01:23 PM (N39Ws)

"Anti-fascist", by any chance?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 11, 2023 01:24 PM (ynpvh)

424 They always have some fuckin' cucked-out, tucked under, pussy fag argument for why the right must never ever claim a scalp, and continue winning by losing.

Sure as the sun rises.
Posted by: Yudhishthira Florian Maria Hohenzollern von Schloengishugen, Liechtensteinian Usurper at December 11, 2023 01:23 PM (0FoWg)

This.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 11, 2023 01:24 PM (Qn59F)

425 And if they ceased to exist, would anybody miss them?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

Time to Qatar loose.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at December 11, 2023 01:24 PM (R4t5M)

426 “The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly.”

― Abraham Lincoln
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Didn't work for the Law of Lincoln now did it?

Posted by: Pudinhead at December 11, 2023 01:24 PM (pZ64F)

427 What in Islam (aside from building flights) is remotely worthy of being assilimated?
Posted by: XTC at

Hummus?

Posted by: That Northernlurke embracing the suckd at December 11, 2023 01:24 PM (hCt6Y)

428 416 What in Islam (aside from building flights) is remotely worthy of being assilimated?
Posted by: XTC at December 11, 2023 01:22 PM (sm6Pk)

Geometric patterns. That's about all I can think of.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 11, 2023 01:24 PM (x0n13)

429 What in Islam (aside from building flights) is remotely worthy of being assilimated?
Posted by: XTC at December 11, 2023 01:22 PM (sm6Pk)

Your civilization assimilates the individual muslims, as human beings, provided they renounce the evil that is islam.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 11, 2023 01:24 PM (aNACl)

430 Why do they host Hamas leaders? Because there's a big profit for them in doing it. When there's a bigger profit to be made in tossing them out, they'll do that - but somebody will have to pay them first.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 11, 2023 01:20 PM (i9ffA)

It's like Rick's in Casablanca:

Qatar: I'm shocked... SHOCKED to see terrorism occurring in this establishment!
Hamas: Your Jewish gold teeth, sir.
Qatar: Oh thank you very much.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 11, 2023 01:25 PM (dGCAG)

431 428 416 What in Islam (aside from building flights) is remotely worthy of being assilimated?
Posted by: XTC at December 11, 2023 01:22 PM (sm6Pk)

Geometric patterns. That's about all I can think of.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 11, 2023 01:24 PM (x0n13)

There's a non-repeating geometric pattern they've used that was mathematically interesting.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 11, 2023 01:25 PM (ynpvh)

432 Appears to be an Administrative Assistant at Univ. of New Hampshire. Don't have to guess what his political leanings are.

wait what?!?!

well, probably the dude is a sick lefty, but that college and that town (Durham) are surprisingly conservative.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at December 11, 2023 01:25 PM (AcWfM)

433 Appears to be an Administrative Assistant at Univ. of New Hampshire. Don't have to guess what his political leanings are.
------------------
Oddly, NH is the only state in New England not infested with Roundheads and Crazy Quakers. What happened?

Posted by: Pudinhead at December 11, 2023 01:25 PM (pZ64F)

434 429 What in Islam (aside from building flights) is remotely worthy of being assilimated?
Posted by: XTC at December 11, 2023 01:22 PM (sm6Pk)

Your civilization assimilates the individual muslims, as human beings, provided they renounce the evil that is islam.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 11, 2023 01:24 PM (aNACl)

Taqqiyah

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 11, 2023 01:25 PM (ynpvh)

435 393 381 New York Institute of Technology $95,150,472
Posted by: Braenyard at December 11, 2023 01:18 PM (Zd0xi)

It was absorbed by NYU a bit over 10 years ago.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at
----------------------

415 Source: https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org
/arab-funding-of-american-universities-
donors-recipients-and-impact

Posted by: Braenyard

Posted by: Braenyard at December 11, 2023 01:26 PM (Zd0xi)

436 Good as in "good" or good as in "not caught on tape yet"?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 11, 2023 01:18 PM (aQy7p)

Good. She cracked down on Hamas-lovers who broke the rules, and there have been no threats of violence as far as I know.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 11, 2023 01:26 PM (sM1IA)

437 "The best way to get a law repealed is to just suspend rule of law."

- Abraham Lincoln

Posted by: Nikki Haley - No R candidates will discuss voter fraud because Trump said pussy at December 11, 2023 01:26 PM (6Y/Rl)

438 Alex Jones: I am not a fan of Brian Stelter

He's a complicated man..

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 11, 2023 01:26 PM (Qn59F)

439 That's where interactions with the real world come in. The libertarian paradise is never going to come about. Best to make the government as free as possible considering human nature, but since we're talking about a government run by enemies of a majority of the populace, I'd say we're at war footing and it's not about principles but advantage.

Also, it needs to be noted once again that this lady lost her job not because of anything the right says or did but because a rich lefty threatened to pull a donation. This is left on left action.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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Needs to be repeated over and over again. Your statement is wisdom.

In a lot of cases, speech itself is an element of the crime and the severity of punishment--for example fraud, murder, etc. Ditto for civil actions of libel or slander. So there has never been 'absolute' free speech and it is a chimera. Reasonable people argue about what are the outer limits of free speech not whether or not to have absolute free speech.

Brandenburg v Ohio was one of the wiser decisions by the Supreme Court regarding regulation of free speech by government.

Posted by: whig at December 11, 2023 01:26 PM (JAi95)

440
A guy in NH just got arrested for threatening to shoot Vivek.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 11, 2023 01:19 PM

That doesn't sound like someone playing with a full deck. Vivek has literally no chance of much of anything except a cabinet position. The only chance Biden has if NH guy were to take out every one of the 3rd party candidates.

So of course Joe Burden won't offer SS protection to any of them.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at December 11, 2023 01:26 PM (enJYY)

441 If it's pronounced "Cutter", why not spell it "Cutter"? Might as well spell it Krzyzewski.

Posted by: SFGoth at December 11, 2023 01:27 PM (KAi1n)

442 New one. SJL.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 11, 2023 01:27 PM (CsUN+)

443 FIRE rates Hillsdale as special, absolute worst score on free speech.
Posted by: Emmie at December 11, 2023 01:23 PM (Sf2cq)

This is because Hillsdale has speech codes against lewd, pornographic, or obscene speech/conduct.

I have to say, I'm not troubled by that prohibition against "speech".

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at December 11, 2023 01:27 PM (N1DT3)

444 438 Alex Jones: I am not a fan of Brian Stelter

He's a complicated man..

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 11, 2023 01:26 PM (Qn59F)

He can be one hard potato to peel.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 11, 2023 01:27 PM (ynpvh)

445 What in Islam (aside from building flights) is remotely worthy of being assilimated?
Posted by: XTC at December 11, 2023 01:22 PM (sm6Pk)

Nothing

It wasn't a suggestion

I am firmly on the side of separation if possible, obliteration if necessary

Posted by: Milquetoast Mortgage-Paying Neighbor in Flyover Country at December 11, 2023 01:27 PM (5C4od)

446 437 "The best way to get a law repealed is to just suspend rule of law."

- Abraham Lincoln
-----------
Best to call this what it is, the Law of Caine.

Posted by: Pudinhead at December 11, 2023 01:27 PM (pZ64F)

447 Appears to be an Administrative Assistant at Univ. of New Hampshire. Don't have to guess what his political leanings are.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 11, 2023 01:23 PM (N39Ws)

"Anti-fascist", by any chance?
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 11, 2023 01:24 PM (ynpvh)

Obviously. Let's give him a "Preventing the Next Hitler" medal.

Posted by: Van Jones and CNN at December 11, 2023 01:27 PM (dGCAG)

448 But as we all know, Israel has no problems targeting individuals for extra-judicial liquidation. See the Munich terrorists, Gerald Bull and all those Iranian nuke scientists and a few weapons dealers in the UAE.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 11, 2023 01:23 PM (x0n13)

I think Israel missed the boat with Gerald Bull. Instead of killing him, they should have captured him, and put him to work designing weapons and space cannons for Israel. Waste of a brilliant mind.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 11, 2023 01:28 PM (aNACl)

449 "The best way to get a law repealed is to just suspend rule of law."

- Abraham Lincoln
Posted by: Nikki Haley - No R candidates will discuss voter fraud because Trump said pussy at December 11, 2023 01:26 PM (6Y/Rl)

The rebels suspended habeus corpus, too.

Posted by: mrp at December 11, 2023 01:28 PM (rj6Yv)

450 334. So, does this free speech absolutist demand that universities stop punishing students and professors who say, "a woman is a woman" or question DEI policy?

Or is squashing that kind of speech okay? If so, how does that relate to the need for free speech on college campuses?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at December 11, 2023 01:11 PM

I'll agree with this response to your inquiry: Either free speech is absolute or it isn't. And that does not include calls inciting violence and death. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 11, 2023 01:13 PM

I suggest reading Bunch's full commentary referenced, too.

Posted by: L - They don't have to outrun the bear, they only need to outrun us - for now at December 11, 2023 01:28 PM (GshMh)

451 429 Your civilization assimilates the individual muslims, as human beings, provided they renounce the evil that is islam.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 11, 2023 01:24 PM (aNACl)

Considering the entire point of Islam is lying to people (Taqiyya, Muruna, Tawriya, Kitman, Taysir, and Darura), I don't see how much a renunciation can be trusted.

Posted by: XTC at December 11, 2023 01:28 PM (sm6Pk)

452 441 If it's pronounced "Cutter", why not spell it "Cutter"? Might as well spell it Krzyzewski.

Posted by: SFGoth at December 11, 2023 01:27 PM (KAi1n)

Maybe it's really pronounced more like Kotter. Welcome back.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 11, 2023 01:28 PM (ynpvh)

453 but that college and that town (Durham) are surprisingly conservative.
Posted by: BlackOrchid
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What?!
Oh...Durham NH, not Durham NC
Never mind.

Posted by: 90 Duke professors at December 11, 2023 01:28 PM (XeU6L)

454 426 “The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly.”

― Abraham Lincoln
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Didn't work for the Law of Lincoln now did it?
Posted by: Pudinhead at December 11, 2023 01:24 PM (pZ64F)

Best way to enforce a law, good or bad, is to wage actual war against its opponents.

Posted by: Let's kill our countrymen for the sake of national unity at December 11, 2023 01:28 PM (wtpA4)

455 449 Posted by: mrp at December 11, 2023 01:28 PM (rj6Yv)

It's like there was a war on.

Posted by: sven at December 11, 2023 01:28 PM (X0I7i)

456 the thing is, we would not have had a chance to show everybody how disgusting the Israel haters were without free speech.

Posted by: N at December 11, 2023 01:29 PM (RjBju)

457 Hillsdale is fully private and doesn't accept federal or state aid so

they can have whatever rules they wish, so long as they are applied fairly and the students are all aware of them and accept/agree.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at December 11, 2023 01:29 PM (AcWfM)

458 447 Appears to be an Administrative Assistant at Univ. of New Hampshire. Don't have to guess what his political leanings are.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 11, 2023 01:23 PM (N39Ws)

"Anti-fascist", by any chance?
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 11, 2023 01:24 PM (ynpvh)

Obviously. Let's give him a "Preventing the Next Hitler" medal.

Posted by: Van Jones and CNN at December 11, 2023 01:27 PM (dGCAG)

If there was an award for killing Hitlers, would Adolf been awarded it?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 11, 2023 01:29 PM (ynpvh)

459 426 “The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly.”

― Abraham Lincoln
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Didn't work for the Law of Lincoln now did it?
Posted by: Pudinhead
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Goes to the rhetoric versus dialectic distinction in speech. Lincoln is speaking rhetorically; not dialectically.

It is to set up thought experiments in individuals where they set up laws for general applicability and enforcement rather than to favor one group or another.

Posted by: whig at December 11, 2023 01:29 PM (JAi95)

460 The rebels suspended habeus corpus, too.

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I'm not sure that's the best way to argue that, but I'm 100% okay with it.

Posted by: Nikki Haley - No R candidates will discuss voter fraud because Trump said pussy at December 11, 2023 01:29 PM (6Y/Rl)

461 Won't change a thing. Burn 'em down.

Posted by: Glenn John at December 11, 2023 01:29 PM (RilAR)

462 they can have whatever rules they wish, so long as they are applied fairly and the students are all aware of them and accept/agree.
Posted by: BlackOrchid
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Grove City in PA is similar.

Posted by: whig at December 11, 2023 01:30 PM (JAi95)

463 He can be one hard potato to peel.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 11, 2023 01:27 PM (ynpvh)

Careful, he has eyes everywhere!

Posted by: Don't tell secrets in the cornfield at December 11, 2023 01:30 PM (wtpA4)

464 463 He can be one hard potato to peel.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 11, 2023 01:27 PM (ynpvh)

Careful, he has eyes everywhere!

Posted by: Don't tell secrets in the cornfield at December 11, 2023 01:30 PM (wtpA4)

He'll mash you.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 11, 2023 01:31 PM (ynpvh)

465 free speech because everybody is happier when the idiots and bigots self identify

Posted by: N at December 11, 2023 01:31 PM (RjBju)

466 If there was an award for killing Hitlers, would Adolf been awarded it?
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia)

It's a Braun-z statue.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at December 11, 2023 01:31 PM (R4t5M)

467 the thing is, we would not have had a chance to show everybody how disgusting the Israel haters were without free speech.

Posted by: N at December 11, 2023 01:29 PM (RjBju)

"Sunlight is the best disinfectant."

The only positive in this horror-show is that the Jew-hate is in the open. We know who they are.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 11, 2023 01:31 PM (sM1IA)

468 441 If it's pronounced "Cutter", why not spell it "Cutter"? Might as well spell it Krzyzewski.
Posted by: SFGoth at December 11, 2023 01:27 PM (KAi1n)

James Joyce enters the conversation...

Posted by: browndog looking up from the Qatar at December 11, 2023 01:31 PM (TTAGa)

469 To Heather:

Do you know why Hitler didn't use chemical weapons against the Allies in WW2?

Because the Allies used them in WW1.

Posted by: Minuteman at December 11, 2023 01:31 PM (LaNzR)

470 NOOD Shiela Jackson

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 11, 2023 01:31 PM (ynpvh)

471 And will undoubtedly be considered a martyr by all of academia and the left (birm).
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 11, 2023 12:41 PM (aQy7p)

These days being a martyr just means everyone else has to gain a few more oppression points to keep up. Look for revelations that more uni people are hyphenated Americans, on the oppression spectrum or some such nonsense.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 11, 2023 01:31 PM (eoQWY)

472 Considering the entire point of Islam is lying to people (Taqiyya, Muruna, Tawriya, Kitman, Taysir, and Darura), I don't see how much a renunciation can be trusted.
Posted by: XTC at December 11, 2023 01:28 PM (sm6Pk)

I am aware of that. Needless to say, we invite them in on condition of a true renunciation. Any evidence of backsliding or a false renunciation, Achmed gets a bullet.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 11, 2023 01:32 PM (aNACl)

473 The rebels suspended habeus corpus, too.

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I'm not sure that's the best way to argue that, but I'm 100% okay with it.
Posted by: Nikki Haley - No R candidates will discuss voter fraud because Trump said pussy at December 11, 2023 01:29 PM (6Y/Rl)

The best way to argue that was the debate that concluded at Appomotax.

Posted by: mrp at December 11, 2023 01:32 PM (rj6Yv)

474 say what you will about the nazis but it was easier to see who to shoot when they were wearing brown shirts and swastikas.

Posted by: N at December 11, 2023 01:32 PM (RjBju)

475 The rebels suspended habeus corpus, too.
Posted by: mrp at December 11, 2023 01:28 PM (rj6Yv)

I don't know about the Confederate Constitution, but the U.S. Constitution actually gives the President the power to suspend habeus corpus during war.

But southerners claim like Lincoln was a tyrant, because he wouldn't let southern sympathizers wreck havoc in northern states.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 11, 2023 01:32 PM (dGCAG)

476 And if they ceased to exist, would anybody miss them?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 11, 2023 01:22 PM (aNACl)

If you think of them as being like the Ferengi in DS9, you wouldn't be too far off. Very clever, with no morals whatsoever, but with international relations being so difficult, free agents like that can sometimes be useful. For a more down to earth description, think of them as the descendants of 100 generations of middle eastern camel traders.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 11, 2023 01:32 PM (i9ffA)

477 I swear, a leftwing institution could say "we're going to have all conservative members of this establishment raped by Hamas militants in the name of Allah," and ConInc would say "if you resist, it'll just give them ammunition to attack freedom of religion. Lie back and think of corporate tax rates. We're discussing that and more on this year's National Review cruise, sponsored by Raytheon and Anheuser-Busch."

Posted by: Yudhishthira Florian Maria Hohenzollern von Schloengishugen, Liechtensteinian Usurper at December 11, 2023 01:32 PM (0FoWg)

478 468 441 If it's pronounced "Cutter", why not spell it "Cutter"? Might as well spell it Krzyzewski.
Posted by: SFGoth at December 11, 2023 01:27 PM (KAi1n)

James Joyce enters the conversation...
Posted by: browndog looking up from the Qatar at December 11, 2023 01:31 PM (TTAGa)

Go ghoti.

Posted by: And no stream of consciousness please at December 11, 2023 01:33 PM (wtpA4)

479 To Heather:

Do you know why Hitler didn't use chemical weapons against the Allies in WW2?

Because the Allies used them in WW1.
Posted by: Minuteman at December 11, 2023 01:31 PM (LaNzR)

And both sides had plenty in use ready to go if there were any slipups or backsliding. There was an incident in the supply chain where an ammo ship blew up next to a ship carrying poison gas and there were casualties.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 11, 2023 01:33 PM (eoQWY)

480 I think geometric patterns predates islam.

Posted by: Braenyard at December 11, 2023 01:33 PM (Zd0xi)

481 "Sunlight is the best disinfectant."

The only positive in this horror-show is that the Jew-hate is in the open. We know who they are.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

the thing is though that this is just news to idiots

Posted by: N at December 11, 2023 01:33 PM (RjBju)

482 What?!
Oh...Durham NH, not Durham NC
Never mind.

Get 10 minutes out of an urban area and talk politics and they'd call the average AoS Moron a limp wristed lefty yet NH votes in Democrats and GOPers.

I assume its fraud

Posted by: 18-1 at December 11, 2023 01:33 PM (XqcwY)

483 I think geometric patterns predates islam.
Posted by: B

hes referencing a particular non-repeating geometric pattern

Posted by: N at December 11, 2023 01:34 PM (RjBju)

484 466 If there was an award for killing Hitlers, would Adolf been awarded it?
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia)

It's a Braun-z statue.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at December 11, 2023 01:31 PM (R4t5M)

Would have thought he'd have been awarded the Michelangelo award for painting ceilings. Granted the paint used was the last thing to go through his mind.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 11, 2023 01:34 PM (N39Ws)

485 I don't know about the Confederate Constitution, but the U.S. Constitution actually gives the President the power to suspend habeus corpus during war.

But southerners claim like Lincoln was a tyrant, because he wouldn't let southern sympathizers wreck havoc in northern states.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 11, 2023 01:32 PM (dGCAG)

The Confederacy went back to a version of the old Articles of Confederation, which was arguably their greatest weakness. They didn't work to hold a country together the first time they were tried, and they didn't work the second time, either. You can make a case that the current EU is the third go-round for the idea.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 11, 2023 01:35 PM (i9ffA)

486 fwiw, the confederates were not entirely wrong

Posted by: N at December 11, 2023 01:36 PM (RjBju)

487 480 I think geometric patterns predates islam.
Posted by: Braenyard at December 11, 2023 01:33 PM (Zd0xi)

the deuce you say!

Posted by: Pythagoras at December 11, 2023 01:36 PM (i9ffA)

488 438 Alex Jones: I am not a fan of Brian Stelter
He's a complicated man..
Posted by: G'rump928(c)
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Alex Jones spent a couple of days with Tucker Carlson during that time they made a Tucker interview. But the night before the interview, well, Divide by Zero said it best,

...the humor when Alex tells Tater [they called him] (after an indeterminate number of adult beverages with Tucker Carlson) he wants to date him (like AOS) is worth the time [to watch].
...
https://is.gd/u6yOVj

Posted by: Braenyard at December 11, 2023 01:36 PM (Zd0xi)

489 I completely get what she's saying, but I don't think it will play out that way. They are trying to control pro-Hamas/pro-terror students / faculty with rules and laws.

Posted by: Uncle Dufus at December 11, 2023 01:37 PM (UPp47)

490 I watched Downfall again this weekend. Excellent movie. A lot of parallels to today in that move.

History tries to warn people, but many are deaf and blind to its teachings.

Posted by: Archer at December 11, 2023 01:37 PM (gmo/4)

491 United States Holocaust Memorial Museum

Holocaust Education in the United States: Holocaust education requirements vary by state. This list reflects those states that have provided the Museum with a link to their Holocaust education requirements. The Museum offers this list for informational purposes only, and it may not be comprehensive. State departments of education may complete this form to submit a request to be included.

The Museum offers free educational resources on a variety of Holocaust-related topics, available for classroom use. For more information on Holocaust resource centers in each state, please visit the Association of Holocaust Organizations.
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New Jersey and Pennsylvania are not on the list.

Pennsylvania passed a law in 2014 prioritizing Holocaust lessons. The instruction is not mandated but "encouraged," the state Board of Education said. (Jan. 2023)

Spring 1993, the N.J. Commission voted to carry out all efforts necessary to mandate the teaching of the Holocaust in the schools. ... and, in the spring of 1994, a Holocaust/genocide mandate bill was signed into law by Governor Christine Todd Whitman.

Posted by: L - They don't have to outrun the bear, they only need to outrun us - for now at December 11, 2023 01:40 PM (GshMh)

492 United States Holocaust Memorial Museum

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New Jersey and Pennsylvania are not on the list.

Pennsylvania passed a law in 2014 prioritizing Holocaust lessons. The instruction is not mandated but "encouraged," the state Board of Education said. (Jan. 2023)

Spring 1993, the N.J. Commission voted to carry out all efforts necessary to mandate the teaching of the Holocaust in the schools. ... and, in the spring of 1994, a Holocaust/genocide mandate bill was signed into law by Governor Christine Todd Whitman.
Posted by: L - They don't have to outrun the bear

They are supposed to teach Math, English, and History and fail to do so. I'm sure they can manage not to teach Holocaust lessons similarly.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 11, 2023 01:45 PM (eoQWY)

493 If I were to call an Arab a camel jockey on any of those campuses, would that have been a problem? I think we all know the answer to that.

But what about calling a German a kraut, an Englishman a limey, or a Frenchman a frog? Or for that matter me, a yank, a cracker or a gringo? I don't know or care.

The only speech that society should reign in are calls for imminent violence or destruction.

The left has flipped the priorities; innocuous speech, albeit potentially rude, is banned and incite-full speech is condoned based on the intersectional hierarchy of the speaker.

Posted by: kraki at December 11, 2023 01:45 PM (AQZte)

494 If free speech is limited against the call to kill somebody, what about just winging them?

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at December 11, 2023 01:46 PM (BdMk6)

495 I don't know about the Confederate Constitution, but the U.S. Constitution actually gives the President the power to suspend habeus corpus during war.

But southerners claim like Lincoln was a tyrant, because he wouldn't let southern sympathizers wreck havoc in northern states.
Posted by: BurtTC a
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No, the Constitution does not grant that power to suspend habeas corpus--only Congress has that power and that is an explicit grant of power to them only. Ex Parte Milligan after the Civil War clarified that particular situation. The little reported Ex Parte Merryman where CJ Taney was sitting as a circuit judge came to the same reasoning during the Civil War.

The Civil War Constitution of the Confederacy actually has the Commerce Clause and other ways to assert national power.

Posted by: whig at December 11, 2023 01:50 PM (JAi95)

496 Don't discount the role that Big Penguin is playing in this.

Just sayin'.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 11, 2023 01:52 PM (a3Q+t)

497 He can be one hard potato to peel.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 11, 2023 01:27 PM (ynpvh)

Careful, he has eyes everywhere!
Posted by: Don't tell secrets in the cornfield
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All of the substance is beneath the surface.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 11, 2023 01:53 PM (XeU6L)

498 I watched Downfall again this weekend. Excellent movie. A lot of parallels to today in that move.

History tries to warn people, but many are deaf and blind to its teachings.

Posted by: Archer at December 11, 2023 01:37 PM

Don't depend on Steiner.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 11, 2023 01:54 PM (a3Q+t)

499 The Confederacy went back to a version of the old Articles of Confederation, which was arguably their greatest weakness. They didn't work to hold a country together the first time they were tried, and they didn't work the second time, either. You can make a case that the current EU is the third go-round for the idea.
Posted by: Tom Servo

Arguably the Confederate Constitution was a mirror image of the US Constitution with a Supreme Court and actually a more powerful in words Commerce clause. However, the states' rights rhetoric and the ensuing confusion during the war ended up with de facto governors running the show over issues like the draft, revenues, etc.

Like it or not, the major purpose of the Confederacy was to keep slavery from being regulated, not to defend states from a national government if that national government was now pro slavery. Same as the South did not pursue secession much until its spread to western territories was threatened aka the Missouri Compromise of the 1820's. Before that, it was the Northeast threatening secession due to the War of 1812 and the eclipse of the Federalist party nationally.

Posted by: whig at December 11, 2023 01:59 PM (JAi95)

500 Nancy Mace will come.

Posted by: Steiner at December 11, 2023 02:12 PM (Qn59F)

501 Hobson's choice.

Posted by: Beverly at December 11, 2023 02:33 PM (Epeb0)

502 And of course Magill is a token semi-sacrifice.

Remember that these people bow to no principles -- only expediency. There will be no new balance.

Posted by: Beverly at December 11, 2023 02:36 PM (Epeb0)

503 Hi Ace

This is an extremely powerful video addressing this issue.

https://tinyurl.com/yunz45j4
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at December 11, 2023 12:27 PM (t/2Uw)

WOW!! Dr. Phil hit the nail on the head. I wonder if Orca will invite him back to her show after that.

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy now with twice the crazy at December 11, 2023 02:44 PM (iODuv)

504 The real battle is plucking voters and donors from leftist groups, much in the way pre-Giuliani NYC paved the way for Conservatives there. Their real test will come if they're ever sued under RICO.

Posted by: Augusto Perez at December 11, 2023 02:50 PM (CIziS)

505 Stefanik did a great job, but she left out the mike-drop question:

"What "context" WOULD make calls for exterminating the Jews 'acceptable'?"

Posted by: Beverly at December 11, 2023 02:58 PM (Epeb0)

506 Making Jews part of the protected intersectional classes doesn't solve the problem of DIE. It's irritating that the mega donors were fine with intersectional hate and discrimination until it impacted them personally. They didn't issue threats to take away millions before their class was impacted. The only way to fix DIE is to ban the intersectional oppressor/oppressed calculus completely.

Posted by: Half measures don't work at December 11, 2023 02:58 PM (Gplmx)

507 Joseph McCarthy would be proud of all of this. Just sayin'

Posted by: Charles Patrick Adkins at December 11, 2023 03:42 PM (plNsB)

508 493 If I were to call an Arab a camel jockey on any of those campuses, would that have been a problem? I think we all know the answer to that.

Posted by Kracki

That would be protected speech at M.I.T.

Don't scoff. After a debacle in 2021 over a speech by a non-MIT geophysics professor that was supposed to be sponsored by MIT but was cancelled after his views about DEI vs. merit evaluations were publicized the alumni let the MIT administration (not the current one) let them know that this was unacceptable. Long story short, MIT in 2022 adopted a new free speech policy modeled on the Chicago Principles. A couple days after that protesters chalked some uncomplimentary commentary about LGBTQABCDEF on campus. The LGBTQABCDEF crowd was apoplectic. They got told that the postings were permitted by the new free speech policy.

It turns out that it was in fact some LGBTQABCDEF people who made the chalkings in order to stir up opposition to the new policy.

Posted by: RonF at December 11, 2023 04:18 PM (NAyZt)

509 Open Mouth Insert Foot is a common problem with Liberal Democrats

Posted by: Tamaa the Drongo Bird at December 11, 2023 04:27 PM (wGqjj)

510 I like Heather. Understand her point. She's completely wrong. The scalps on the right are already occurring. You need to take scalps on the left, big ones. Make it messy and ugly.

And then, and only then, you tell the left. So you want to keep doing this, or do you want to re-establish some new rules? Because here is what they are. While we are a melting pot, we are of Judeo Christian heritage. America for her faults is the best damn place on the planet. Communism sucks, and we aren't teaching it anymore except as a historical anecdote. It has killed more people than any "faith" on the planet. Free speech means free speech - not just speech you like. There is no thing as white privilege, systemic racism or any of that crap. There will be no public funds available at any public university for womyn's studies, chicano studies, black studies, gay studies. And trannies are mentally ill and will not be allowed to concuss our daughters in athletic competitions. And every doctor advocating for any surgical or pharmaceutical solution to confusion regarding your sex when your under 18 will have their license to practice medicine revoked. Until then, I'm expecting scalps.

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