Major Donor Makes It Explicit to UPenn: If Magill Stays, You Lose My $100 Million. If You Fire Her, I Send You the $100 Million.

It's not just the $100 million revoked donation. The Wharton School of Business, part of U Penn and one of the greatest business schools in the world, is surely one of their biggest magnets for donor money.

And their Board of Advisors wants Magill out, says UPenn's paper, the Daily Pennsylvanian.

The Wharton Board of Advisors is calling on the University to change leadership with "immediate effect," according to a letter to Penn President Liz Magill first obtained by The Daily Pennsylvanian.
The letter describes the Board's concern about "dangerous and toxic culture" at Penn that they said the University leadership has allowed to exist. The letter adds that the University leadership "does not share the values of our Board."...
"In light of your testimony yesterday before Congress, we demand the University clarify its position regarding any call for harm to any group of people immediately, change any policies that allow such conduct with immediate effect, and discipline all offenders expeditiously," the letter said.

The last part suggests a way for Magill to keep her job -- if she disciplines all offenders. But I don't think she wants to do that.

In the sidebar, I mentioned that Ross Stevens had withdrawn a $100 million donation. He said that the university had violated an anti-discrimination clause in their contract.

He adds that he'll give UPenn the $100 million... as soon as McGill is fired.

Mr. Stevens and Stone Ridge would welcome the opportunity to discuss this matter further and give the University a chance to remedy what Stone Ridge believes are likely violations of the LP Agreement if, and when, there is a new University President in place. Until then, there can be no meaningful discussion about remedying the University's ongoing failure to honor is obligations.

Many of you may, like me, be of two minds on this issue.

On one hand: Your rules. These are your rules. We're going to make you choke on them until you spit them out and admit they're poison.

But it does feel wrong to be demanding that universities crack down on offensive speech.

Still, they already have been outlawing virtually all "offensive" speech. What they're doing here is selectively allowing some favored hate speech.

Glenn Reynolds puts it perfectly:

[A]s much as I enjoy seeing these people stew in the juices of their hypocrisy -- and believe me, enjoy it I do -- it is nonetheless true, as Eugene Volokh cogently points out, that free speech principles, and the First Amendment where it applies, prevent things like a selective ban on anti-semitism, or on "advocacy of genocide" or whatever.
But think how much easier the life of these administrators would be if they and their institutions had just had some principles. If they had a record of allowing student and faculty speech on everything without punishment, they could point to that record and say, sure, some of our students are saying monstrous things, but we believe in free speech and that the best way to deal with monstrous ideas is by discussing, and refuting, them in the open.
Of course, they can't say that, because it isn't true -- and, more importantly, it obviously isn't true. Top universities have for years been denying the value of free speech, and even suggesting it is some sort of questionable relic of white supremacy, or Christian Nationalism, or something. They've been centers for the belief that the way to deal with ideas you don't like isn't to refute them, but to ruthlessly suppress them.
Well, when that's your stance -- and we all know that it largely has been theirs -- suddenly appearing before Congress and parsing free speech doctrine to a nicety isn't very convincing. When you censor any speech, you make yourself responsible for whatever you allow.

Emphasis added.

Yes, that's it, that's it! That's been tip of my tongue for days now!

If you have a flat policy of allowing all speech, you do not necessarily endorse any kind of speech -- it's simply your policy to allow all kinds of speech. Your endorsement is not implied.

But if your policy is to routinely censor speech, and only selectively allow speech, then you definitely are endorsing the speech you permit, because you've shown what you do with speech you don't endorse: you censor it, you forbid it. Therefore, in a regime or routine censorship, any permitted speech is officially endorsed speech.

The below video from FP.com makes a similar point, for you Visual Learners. Their argument is just contrasting the two wildly different standards employed by these formerly "elite" universities:

For all browner-skinned students, and for gays and especially trans students, the policy is "safety first:" any claim of "harm" from speech is presumed to not only be true but to be absolutely controlling. If someone says they're harmed by speech, that speech must be shut down.

But for Jews -- and, of course, for all non-minority men and straights -- the policy is "anything goes."

This cannot be sustained. You cannot claim "the Constitution" demands this.

The Constitution has nothing to do with this Different Rights For Different People regime.

By the way, Magill was asked why Joe Biden was paid almost a million dollars for a no-show "job" at UPenn -- a million dollars for two years a couple of months' non-work -- and why suddenly millions of dollars in anonymous donations from China began flowing in after Biden was hired to do nothing.

She said he had a "wide range" of duties, which she failed to specify.

Those duties did not include teaching classes or actually doing anything. She does mention that he "attended" some meetings.

Univ. of @Penn Pres. Liz Magill defends paying Biden $400,000 for a no-show job: "He invited speakers" pic.twitter.com/epkDZRJEjH
— Tom Elliott (@tomselliott) December 5, 2023

Biden says he “really enjoyed teaching” when he was a “professor” at the University of Pennsylvania.

Biden was paid $1 million, but never taught a single class. pic.twitter.com/vR2xzdOlDe
— RNC Research (@RNCResearch) March 4, 2022

There's so much corruption here. The "elites" are just absolutely rotten.

The whole rotten upper structure needs to be torn out and rebuilt with fresh untainted wood.

Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace at 03:45 PM

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1 PATRIARCHY!!

Posted by: Axeman at December 08, 2023 03:49 PM (krQz2)

2 Many of you may, like me, be of two minds on this issue.

Destroy them now, else they will win and they want us dead.

Posted by: Next2Nothing at December 08, 2023 03:49 PM (tA1/w)

3 We'll see if you get what you pay for.

Posted by: huerfano at December 08, 2023 03:49 PM (Q4KYm)

4 Biden says he “really enjoyed teaching” when he was a “professor” at the University of Pennsylvania.

Biden was paid $1 million, but never taught a single class.
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Big chance Biden doesn't remember not teaching.

He might just believe every fable he's spilled out there.

Posted by: Axeman at December 08, 2023 03:50 PM (krQz2)

5 So fire one lousy University President and they get the 100 Million and you ignore all the other left wing anti-semites at the University that wrought this hatred and stupidity?

Are you that stupid and committed to the left wing DEI crap?

My G-D there is no hope

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 08, 2023 03:50 PM (PQ4m2)

6 Joe probably thought he taught classes… his brain is spongiform now..

Posted by: tubal at December 08, 2023 03:50 PM (PCK5/)

7 It's female college president genocide!

Posted by: Axeman at December 08, 2023 03:51 PM (krQz2)

8 3 We'll see if you get what you pay for.

I sure did!

Posted by: Emperor Xi at December 08, 2023 03:51 PM (hSwza)

9 When you censor any speech, you make yourself responsible for whatever you allow.

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Wasn't this the corner of the idea of challenging social media platforms for choosing what to allow while insisting that they're just platforms instead of publishers?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, celebrating anarchy and 50s B-movies with Joe Dante at December 08, 2023 03:52 PM (GBKbO)

10 Don't forget Joey left classified documents at UPenn

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 08, 2023 03:52 PM (Ukgr4)

11 untainted wood? I gotcher untainted wood right here!

Posted by: DanMan at December 08, 2023 03:53 PM (8uzBS)

12 I can't say I want anything done about any of these people. You want to be reprehensible? Go ahead.

What I'm tired of is paying for it. No more tax dollars for universities. Period. None. Tuition and everything else is paid by those who choose to pay.

No tax money. Then you can say whatever you want.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 08, 2023 03:53 PM (dGCAG)

13 You don't shrink a tumor by feeding it.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 08, 2023 03:53 PM (ynpvh)

14 There's so much corruption here. The "elites" are just absolutely rotten.

The whole rotten upper structure needs to be torn out and rebuilt with fresh untainted wood.

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I'm gonna do my part! I'm gonna vote harder!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, celebrating anarchy and 50s B-movies with Joe Dante at December 08, 2023 03:53 PM (GBKbO)

15 money talks, I guess

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at December 08, 2023 03:53 PM (xcxpd)

16 You don't shrink a tumor by feeding it.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 08, 2023 03:53 PM (ynpvh)
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It's not a tumeh!

Posted by: Axeman at December 08, 2023 03:54 PM (krQz2)

17 14 There's so much corruption here. The "elites" are just absolutely rotten.

The whole rotten upper structure needs to be torn out and rebuilt with fresh untainted wood.

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I'm gonna do my part! I'm gonna vote harder!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, celebrating anarchy and 50s B-movies with Joe Dante at December 08, 2023 03:53 PM (GBKbO)

Penetrative voting: When you vote so hard someone gets screwed over...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 08, 2023 03:54 PM (ynpvh)

18 you had to read the content to get the context

Posted by: DanMan at December 08, 2023 03:54 PM (8uzBS)

19 Just an astounding amount of corruption. It's getting to the point where being a law biding citizen is a sucker's game.

Posted by: Paco at December 08, 2023 03:54 PM (njExo)

20 U Penn does money laundering, too.

Posted by: Pudinhead at December 08, 2023 03:54 PM (gllTv)

21 I sure did!
Posted by: Emperor Xi at December 08, 2023 03:51 PM (hSwza)

Nikki Haley called, said it's been 30 minutes, she wants to know if you want more.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 08, 2023 03:55 PM (dGCAG)

22 I'm gonna do my part! I'm gonna vote harder!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, celebrating anarchy and 50s B-movies with Joe Dante at December 08, 2023 03:53 PM (GBKbO)

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Sounds like Generic Democrat voter.

Posted by: Axeman at December 08, 2023 03:55 PM (krQz2)

23 16 You don't shrink a tumor by feeding it.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 08, 2023 03:53 PM (ynpvh)
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It's not a tumeh!

Posted by: Axeman at December 08, 2023 03:54 PM (krQz2)

It's not; it's more like that beast from the movie "The Thing"

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 08, 2023 03:55 PM (ynpvh)

24 Biden teach a class? In what... Dumbassery?

Posted by: wth at December 08, 2023 03:55 PM (v0R5T)

25 5 So fire one lousy University President and they get the 100 Million and you ignore all the other left wing anti-semites at the University that wrought this hatred and stupidity?

Are you that stupid and committed to the left wing DEI crap?

My G-D there is no hope
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 08, 2023 03:50 PM (PQ4m2)

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On the one hand, you are very right.

On the other, it's cracking the whip and establishing the fact that donors can tell universities what to do while using this anti-Semitic explosion as the example.

The university will be less willing to blanket allow similar behavior, but it also means that other big dollar donors will be using their potential donations to get policy changes for all sorts of things.

I hope this one works, because some rich person is going to dangle a billion dollars in front of Brown or something to make it so that no white person can attend, and it will entertain me.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, celebrating anarchy and 50s B-movies with Joe Dante at December 08, 2023 03:55 PM (GBKbO)

26 24 Biden teach a class? In what... Dumbassery?

Posted by: wth at December 08, 2023 03:55 PM (v0R5T)

Depends...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 08, 2023 03:55 PM (ynpvh)

27 Untainted Wood is my Peter North cover band name

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at December 08, 2023 03:56 PM (xcxpd)

28 Didn't FJB use this strategy once? Something about getting someone fired in exchange for $1 billion?

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at December 08, 2023 03:56 PM (7fElN)

29 I'm glad she's getting zitzed but all it will do is insure that there's no hate speech or actions against Jews...which is a good thing.

But I doubt that any anti-Left students of other stripes will have a voice under new Woke regime. There are no heavy hitter donors that will enforce safe spaces for normies.

Posted by: kallisto at December 08, 2023 03:56 PM (dCxaZ)

30 You don't shrink a tumor by feeding it.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 08, 2023 03:53 PM (ynpvh)
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You get Kuato.

Posted by: Axeman at December 08, 2023 03:57 PM (krQz2)

31 Tried and True Remedies:
1) feed a cold
2) Starve a fever
3) Hang traitors

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 08, 2023 03:57 PM (ynpvh)

32 money talks, I guess
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo
.......

and bullshit still walks (see Joe Biden)
barely.

Posted by: wth at December 08, 2023 03:57 PM (v0R5T)

33 Why wouldn’t you want taint on your wood?

Posted by: Pete B at December 08, 2023 03:57 PM (i/LKe)

34 Fire her and don't release the donation would be my advice

Posted by: Zeera the ungoverened at December 08, 2023 03:57 PM (VefU6)

35 32 money talks, I guess
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo
.......

and bullshit still walks (see Joe Biden)
barely.
Posted by: wth at December 08, 2023 03:57 PM (v0R5T)

Or bumps around like a Roomba

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at December 08, 2023 03:58 PM (xcxpd)

36 Perfect example of taking over an institution, wearing it around as a skinsuit while destroying everything good about it.

Posted by: spongeworthy at December 08, 2023 03:58 PM (DWqKI)

37 33 Why wouldn’t you want taint on your wood?

Posted by: Pete B at December 08, 2023 03:57 PM (i/LKe)

Must be that new wood finish.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 08, 2023 03:58 PM (ynpvh)

38 Untainted Wood is my Peter North cover band name
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at December 08, 2023 03:56 PM (xcxpd)
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As a lot of the porn guys used to work gay, I'm guessing it wasn't untainted.

Posted by: Axeman at December 08, 2023 03:58 PM (krQz2)

39 nd you ignore all the other left wing anti-semites at the University that wrought this hatred and stupidity?

oh no, this will create absolute havoc. Those pali--symps are not going to go gently into the night.

these are the same twats who went and mobbed that Israeli falafel vendor.

Posted by: kallisto at December 08, 2023 03:58 PM (dCxaZ)

40 No, I am not of two minds on the issue. We are so so so far down the slippery slope, I don't even remember what it looks like at the top of the mountain. What is the implicit threat here--that if we crack down on offensive, left-threatening, violence-inducing speech from the left, then they will start censoring conservative speech? That horse hasn't just left the barn, that horse's grandchildren have already been to the glue factory. I am not of two minds about this, I am of one mind. F them to hell.

Posted by: Mad Max in VA at December 08, 2023 03:58 PM (4+3qm)

41 That Senate hearing with the Penn, MIT, and Harvard Presidents was remarkable to me because they were all clearly prepped together. All three were saying exactly the same things, and they were PROUD. The Penn scrunt McGill was clearly enjoying herself as she repeated her prepared answers. And nobody on their prep team took a step back and said, "Will we suffer any blowback for this?"

They're all so comfortable in their doctrinaire leftism they saw absolutely no downside to their answers.

Posted by: bonhomme at December 08, 2023 03:58 PM (Odg76)

42 I'm enthused about this to the extent that I'm always a fan of leftist scalps being collected, particularly by other leftists. But it's not really cause for optimism. None of the long-existing, well-documented toxicity of universities prompted big donors to take action. This is just another episode of tribal warfare. None of this outrage will be extended to similar treatment of straight white men generally, or conservatives of any stripe. So, like the Iran-Iraq war, I'm more or less just cheering casualties.

Posted by: It'd be nice to have neutral, universally applied principles again, but we don't at December 08, 2023 03:59 PM (pjs7m)

43 Why wouldn’t you want taint on your wood?

Posted by: Pete B at December 08, 2023 03:57 PM (i/LKe)
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But not my irons.

Posted by: Axeman at December 08, 2023 03:59 PM (krQz2)

44 n the one hand, you are very right.

On the other, it's cracking the whip and establishing the fact that donors can tell universities what to do while using this anti-Semitic explosion as the example.

The university will be less willing to blanket allow similar behavior, but it also means that other big dollar donors will be using their potential donations to get policy changes for all sorts of things.

I hope this one works, because some rich person is going to dangle a billion dollars in front of Brown or something to make it so that no white person can attend, and it will entertain me.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, celebrating anarchy and 50s B-movies with Joe Dante at December 08, 2023 03:55 PM (GBKbO)

Nothing will change. 95% or more of the faculty are just as bad. It will go back underground again. But they will still be teaching this Anti-Colonialism, DEI, Moral Equivalency and white hate. And these rich JINOs will still support it and continue to contribute to their enemies to rise up again later and kill them.

So sad they do not see this

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 08, 2023 03:59 PM (PQ4m2)

45 "The last part suggests a way for Magill to keep her job -- if she disciplines all offenders. But I don't think she wants to do that."

She will find some a couple white male students that made some anti-semetic comments of Facebook and expel them to prove she is doing something.

Posted by: Ripley at December 08, 2023 03:59 PM (JojsZ)

46 41 They're all so comfortable in their doctrinaire leftism they saw absolutely no downside to their answers.
Posted by: bonhomme at December 08, 2023 03:58 PM (Odg76)

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They don't know anybody who voted for ~~Nixon~~ Trump.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, celebrating anarchy and 50s B-movies with Joe Dante at December 08, 2023 03:59 PM (GBKbO)

47 38 Untainted Wood is my Peter North cover band name
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at December 08, 2023 03:56 PM (xcxpd)
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As a lot of the porn guys used to work gay, I'm guessing it wasn't untainted.
Posted by: Axeman at December 08, 2023 03:58 PM (krQz2)

I'm just going off how many hotties he barebacked. If he had an STD, it would have ended his career.

And yeah, Peter North did gay for pay to get started.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at December 08, 2023 03:59 PM (xcxpd)

48 "discipline all offenders expeditiously"

IOW, swift and terrible sword.

Posted by: Apply gp Directly To Forehead at December 08, 2023 03:59 PM (MvF+J)

49 Just think how much they would have had to pay him TO teach.

Posted by: Just Lily at December 08, 2023 03:59 PM (q/T/q)

50 While I'd rather this person just cancel the donation and let another festering boil on the body of this country go without, I will say that he makes a compelling offer.

If they keep this person, they're saying that she's worth more than $100 million.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 08, 2023 03:59 PM (zxP/x)

51 39 nd you ignore all the other left wing anti-semites at the University that wrought this hatred and stupidity?

oh no, this will create absolute havoc. Those pali--symps are not going to go gently into the night.

these are the same twats who went and mobbed that Israeli falafel vendor.

Posted by: kallisto at December 08, 2023 03:58 PM (dCxaZ)

Be nice if each and every one of those "protesters" could be sued for defamation, loss of income, and emotional distress.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 08, 2023 04:00 PM (ynpvh)

52 I just called her office and it went straight to voicemail.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at December 08, 2023 04:00 PM (RIvkX)

53 On one hand: Your rules. These are your rules. We're going to make you choke on them until you spit them out and admit they're poison.

But it does feel wrong to be demanding that universities crack down on offensive speech.

Nope. Their rules. Choke on them. Full stop. There is no second part.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 08, 2023 04:00 PM (ous9O)

54 Untainted Wood is my Peter North cover band name
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at December 08, 2023 03:56 PM (xcxpd)
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As a lot of the porn guys used to work gay, I'm guessing it wasn't untainted.
Posted by: Axeman at December 08, 2023 03:58 PM (krQz2)

No idea who Peter North is. I thought he was one of the Monkeys.

Guess not.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 08, 2023 04:00 PM (dGCAG)

55 Mr Ackman doesn't realize that if they get rid of this college President, they'll just hire someone else who feels exactly the same way but will not broadcast it?.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 08, 2023 04:00 PM (RSbhh)

56 They're all so comfortable in their doctrinaire leftism they saw absolutely no downside to their answers.
Posted by: bonhomme at December 08, 2023 03:58 PM (Odg76)

Exactly. They all live in the same echo tunnel

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 08, 2023 04:00 PM (PQ4m2)

57 Doesn't anyone notice that Magill never answers the question asked during her testimony on Wednesday?

Posted by: dantesed at December 08, 2023 04:00 PM (A5C5H)

58 Well, when that's your stance -- and we all know that it largely has been theirs -- suddenly appearing before Congress and parsing free speech doctrine to a nicety isn't very convincing. When you censor any speech, you make yourself responsible for whatever you allow.
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Well sure, if you're living in a logical world.

They don't. They live in academia. Logic has no place there. It is, in fact, unknown there.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 08, 2023 04:01 PM (zxP/x)

59 So, like the Iran-Iraq war, I'm more or less just cheering casualties.
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An enjoyable pastime.

Posted by: Pudinhead at December 08, 2023 04:01 PM (f87vz)

60 44 Nothing will change. 95% or more of the faculty are just as bad. It will go back underground again. But they will still be teaching this Anti-Colonialism, DEI, Moral Equivalency and white hate. And these rich JINOs will still support it and continue to contribute to their enemies to rise up again later and kill them.

So sad they do not see this
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 08, 2023 03:59 PM (PQ4m2)

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Eh...going underground again is a change.

The real front in the battle for colleges, though, should be happening in state legislatures to pull funding for schools who do this stuff. The elites can have their little oases of crazy. It's the lower colleges where the fight that really matters is.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, celebrating anarchy and 50s B-movies with Joe Dante at December 08, 2023 04:01 PM (GBKbO)

61 The fundamental issue with higher education isn't "free speech" or "cancel culture" but that progressives have systematically captured these institutions by gradually and increasingly discriminating against conservatives (and, eventually, moderates) in favor of themselves. Most colleges and universities are now nearly monolithically progressive in their faculties and bureaucracies, and this is reflected in the causes and groups they choose to support, which currently includes favoring the genocide of Israeli Jews by Hamas nazis. They're perfectly happy to claim to be supporting "free speech" and opposing "cancel culture" in regard to the nazi collaborators on their campuses, but of course they would immediately turn on a dime and continue to suppress any dissenting opinions from conservatives.

Posted by: My Ridiculously Circuitous Plan at December 08, 2023 04:01 PM (3oMNC)

62
What's a hundred million against Penn pricks preening about their non-existent principles?

The money will roll in from somewhere else.

Posted by: Auspex at December 08, 2023 04:01 PM (j4U/Z)

63 Mr Ackman doesn't realize that if they get rid of this college President, they'll just hire someone else who feels exactly the same way but will not broadcast it?.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 08, 2023 04:00 PM (RSbhh)

exactly

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 08, 2023 04:01 PM (PQ4m2)

64 53 On one hand: Your rules. These are your rules. We're going to make you choke on them until you spit them out and admit they're poison.

But it does feel wrong to be demanding that universities crack down on offensive speech.

Nope. Their rules. Choke on them. Full stop. There is no second part.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 08, 2023 04:00 PM (ous9O)

Exactly. Beat them over the head with their own stupid rules. Beat them so badly that they repeal their own stupid rules.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 08, 2023 04:01 PM (ynpvh)

65 Since when have students we ver been right about wars?

Well I mean except for
Vietnam
Afghanistan
Iraq

Posted by: Paul at December 08, 2023 04:02 PM (gNnNz)

66 57 Doesn't anyone notice that Magill never answers the question asked during her testimony on Wednesday?
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This is how they are taught.

Posted by: Pudinhead at December 08, 2023 04:02 PM (f87vz)

67 "The last part suggests a way for Magill to keep her job -- if she disciplines all offenders. But I don't think she wants to do that."

She will find some a couple white male students that made some anti-semetic comments of Facebook and expel them to prove she is doing something.
Posted by: Ripley

I don't think that's $100 million worth and this donor doesn't appear to be stupid. He knows what he wants.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 08, 2023 04:02 PM (ous9O)

68 May all the propaganda mills bleed dry. *spit*

Posted by: She Hobbit at December 08, 2023 04:02 PM (ftFVW)

69 Good, I rather see the Cultural Marxist Seminary burned to the ground but run them out of money isn't bad also.

Posted by: Skip at December 08, 2023 04:02 PM (fwDg9)

70 "If you have a flat policy of allowing all speech, you do not necessarily endorse any kind of speech -- it's simply your policy to allow all kinds of speech. Your endorsement is not implied.

But if your policy is to routinely censor speech, and only selectively allow speech, then you definitely are endorsing the speech you permit, because you've shown what you do with speech you don't endorse: you censor it, you forbid it."

That's well put.

Posted by: Apply gp Directly To Forehead at December 08, 2023 04:02 PM (MvF+J)

71 They says if youse be white, youse should stay outta sight
If youse be brown, youse can loot downtown,
But as youse be black, m-mm brother, the Jews you can attack, ack, ack...

Posted by: Liz Magill, democrat rayciss at December 08, 2023 04:02 PM (R/m4+)

72 On one hand: Your rules. These are your rules. We're going to make you choke on them until you spit them out and admit they're poison.

But it does feel wrong to be demanding that universities crack down on offensive speech.

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Nope. Their rules. Choke on them. Full stop. There is no second part.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 08, 2023 04:00 PM (ous9O)

But they're not going to. The rules are in place to keep YOU in check. Not to keep themselves in check.

There will be no enforcement. So all that happens is, whatever principles one has about freedom of speech, you're now compromised.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 08, 2023 04:02 PM (dGCAG)

73 Eh...going underground again is a change.

The real front in the battle for colleges, though, should be happening in state legislatures to pull funding for schools who do this stuff. The elites can have their little oases of crazy. It's the lower colleges where the fight that really matters is.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, celebrating anarchy and 50s B-movies with Joe Dante at December 08, 2023 04:01 PM (GBKbO)

You are right going after their funding is fundamental but going underground is not a change. That's where they were on Oct6th. Still Jew Haters, just a tad more silent and deceptive about it.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 08, 2023 04:04 PM (PQ4m2)

74 > Perfect example of taking over an institution, wearing it around as a skinsuit while destroying everything good about it.

It's hilarious to me the PRESIDENT of Harvard has only published thirteen academic papers. If she weren't a black woman, she wouldn't even get tenure on such a thin resume.

Reminds me of a certain skinny, jug eared fuck getting to be the Editor of the Harvard Law Review after publishing ZERO academic legal papers.

Posted by: bonhomme at December 08, 2023 04:04 PM (Odg76)

75 If we didn't have a GOP House, the anti-Semitism of these college heads would never have been exposed. The battle would have been fought on twitter.

Posted by: kallisto at December 08, 2023 04:04 PM (dCxaZ)

76 State governments controlled by conservatives should have taken action decades ago to ensure true academic freedom in their public university systems by prohibiting discrimination against conservatives in faculty promotions, faculty hiring, graduate student retention, and graduate student admission decisions (also undergraduate admission decisions, which were the last to be greatly affected).

At the federal level, investigations can be undertaken into discrimination by universities, public or private, against conservatives, Jews, Christians, whites, Asians, etc. Massive amounts of federal funds are sent to universities, directly or indirectly, and cutting them off to the worst offenders would send an excellent message, possibly resulting in a real amelioration, though it wouldn't affect the underlying problem of the personnel at these institutions.

Posted by: My Ridiculously Circuitous Plan at December 08, 2023 04:04 PM (3oMNC)

77 fresh untainted wood?

But my wood is connected to my taint.. How does that work.. A dildo?

Posted by: I'm Gumby Damn It! at December 08, 2023 04:04 PM (7cPAc)

78 This cannot be sustained. You cannot claim "the Constitution" demands this.

The Constitution has nothing to do with this Different Rights For Different People regime.
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No, it doesn't

But it also doesn't matter. The Constitution has no bearing on any of this. It doesn't enter into the equation.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 08, 2023 04:04 PM (zxP/x)

79 73 You are right going after their funding is fundamental but going underground is not a change. That's where they were on Oct6th. Still Jew Haters, just a tad more silent and deceptive about it.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 08, 2023 04:04 PM (PQ4m2)

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Well, it is a change back to pre-10/7 status quo.

It's not a change from that, but it is still a change from where the university is now.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, celebrating anarchy and 50s B-movies with Joe Dante at December 08, 2023 04:05 PM (GBKbO)

80 But my wood is connected to my taint.. How does that work.. A dildo?
Posted by: I'm Gumby Damn It!

Survey says....

Posted by: She Hobbit at December 08, 2023 04:05 PM (ftFVW)

81 Notice how leftist Jews are pushing back against this jihadi crap on campuses and in the media and getting some success?

This is what the GOPe and "conservative" media organizations would be doing to the same virtriol aimed at conservatives, whites, Christians, etc.

Notice they are generally just piling on instead? That's because they aren't conservatives.

Posted by: 18-1 at December 08, 2023 04:05 PM (XqcwY)

82 By the way, Magill was asked why Joe Biden was paid almost a million dollars for a no-show "job" at UPenn -- a million dollars for two years a couple of months' non-work -- and why suddenly millions of dollars in anonymous donations from China began flowing in after Biden was hired to do nothing.

She said he had a "wide range" of duties, which she failed to specify.

Those duties did not include teaching classes or actually doing anything. She does mention that he "attended" some meetings.
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He was there for the purposes of corruption and international espionage.

But that sounds bad.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 08, 2023 04:05 PM (zxP/x)

83 Magill is a disposable douche.

Posted by: Axeman at December 08, 2023 04:05 PM (krQz2)

84
they might have great policies, or enact what the donors demand, but if they continue to selectively enforce them, we won't get anywhere.

Posted by: runner at December 08, 2023 04:05 PM (V13WU)

85 There's so much corruption here. The "elites" are just absolutely rotten.

The whole rotten upper structure needs to be torn out and rebuilt with fresh untainted wood.
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But.

But doing so will bring the house down. They will see to that.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 08, 2023 04:06 PM (zxP/x)

86 The money will roll in from somewhere else.

Posted by: Auspex at December 08, 2023 04:01 PM (j4U/Z)

where? the Hamas leaders keep all the loot for themselves.

Posted by: kallisto at December 08, 2023 04:06 PM (dCxaZ)

87 ALL leftists are pushing back, not just Jews.

Posted by: runner at December 08, 2023 04:06 PM (V13WU)

88 That was well said: if you stop some speech and allow some you've endorsed that which you allowed.

If only the California UC system and the U of AZ understood this I'd still be proud of my undergrad alma maters.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at December 08, 2023 04:06 PM (hC3xx)

89 Reminds me of a certain skinny, jug eared fuck getting to be the Editor of the Harvard Law Review after publishing ZERO academic legal papers.
Posted by: bonhomme at December 08, 2023 04:04 PM (Odg76)

The only papers I needed were JOB rolling papers.

Posted by: Barack Obongo, Sodomite at December 08, 2023 04:07 PM (R/m4+)

90 When you donate $1,000 to a university you get the president's thanks in a form letter.

When you donate $100,000,000 to a university you get the president's tits in a wringer.

Posted by: Muldoon at December 08, 2023 04:07 PM (991eG)

91 "There's so much corruption here. The "elites" are just absolutely rotten.

The whole rotten upper structure needs to be torn out and rebuilt with fresh untainted wood."
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It's easier just to dig a ditch around it, fill it with gasoline and water, and then light the whole village on fire. Then the rats run from the burning buildings into the fiery ditch. Then you can start over.

Posted by: rd at December 08, 2023 04:07 PM (ub6ad)

92

Notice how leftist Jews are pushing back against this jihadi crap on campuses and in the media and getting some success?

This is what the GOPe and "conservative" media organizations would be doing to the same virtriol aimed at conservatives, whites, Christians, etc.

Notice they are generally just piling on instead? That's because they aren't conservatives.
Posted by: 18-1 at December 08, 2023 04:05 PM (XqcwY)

you know what , I should have asked before commenting, who is pushing back ? can I have some names ?

Posted by: runner at December 08, 2023 04:07 PM (V13WU)

93 Of course they need a lot more than just principled free speech. They need to stop favoring anti-white and anti-Jewish communists and bigots in their admissions and hiring and instead actually need to strongly dis-favor this moral trash of the universe.

That is something universities themselves cannot do because at this point almost all of them are completely captured by the communist race bigots. The only possibility of reform is for state schools in red states, where governors and legislatures have the possibility of flushing out the Augean stables from the top, if they can ever get their acts together.

But Harvard with its mega-billions endowment? They don't need any more donations. They are going to be an anti-American s#!thole forever.

Posted by: Alec Rawls at December 08, 2023 04:07 PM (wh9C3)

94 That's where they were on Oct6th. Still Jew Haters, just a tad more silent and deceptive about it.
Posted by: Nevergiveup

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Well, it is a change back to pre-10/7 status quo.

It's not a change from that, but it is still a change from where the university is now.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, celebrating anarchy and 50s B-movies with Joe Dante

I do see some value in the unmasking, though. Let them own their positions and reveal to us their degenerate allies.

Posted by: She Hobbit at December 08, 2023 04:07 PM (ftFVW)

95 On one hand: Your rules. These are your rules. We're going to make you choke on them until you spit them out and admit they're poison.
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This is the only thing I care about now.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at December 08, 2023 04:07 PM (RIvkX)

96 UPenn will get rid of her, take the 100 million and hire another just like her.

If this donor thinks she's the problem he's naive.
It's the majority of the faculty and professors that's the problem.

Posted by: redridinghood at December 08, 2023 04:07 PM (NpAcC)

97 83 Magill is a disposable douche.
Posted by: Axeman at December 08, 2023 04:05 PM (krQz2)

Massengill > Magill.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 08, 2023 04:07 PM (x0n13)

98 Glenn Reynolds nailed it. ‘Ol Liz has to play by the rules she established and loves. So goodbye Liz… I won’t lose a wink of sleep about it. Learn to code, Liz. Learn to code

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 08, 2023 04:07 PM (xT8gx)

99 87 ALL leftists are pushing back, not just Jews.
Posted by: runner at December 08, 2023 04:06 PM (V13WU)

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Oh, that's definitely not true.

Plenty of leftists out there saying, "Israel had it comin', and nothing bad happened to Israel, and Israel shouldn't exist."

They're also saying things like, "Rape of Israeli women isn't the greatest thing, but in the face of Israeli war crimes, it's not that bad."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, celebrating anarchy and 50s B-movies with Joe Dante at December 08, 2023 04:08 PM (GBKbO)

100 She said he had a "wide range" of duties, which she failed to specify.

I did have a wide range of doodies. Still do.

Posted by: Joe Biden at December 08, 2023 04:08 PM (pjs7m)

101 But it does feel wrong to be demanding that universities crack down on offensive speech.

It's not so much the "offensive speech" as it is that Jewish students at Ivy League schools are cowering in their dorm rooms, since they are afraid that they'll be assaulted if they walk around campus.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 08, 2023 04:08 PM (YAtuc)

102 When you donate $1,000 to a university you get the president's thanks in a form letter.
.......

Sounds totally worth it.

Posted by: wth at December 08, 2023 04:08 PM (v0R5T)

103 UPenn: Okay, we'll fire her.

(And hire someone exactly the same, in her place.)

Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at December 08, 2023 04:08 PM (/QIWP)

104 There's so much corruption here. The "elites" are just absolutely rotten.

The whole rotten upper structure needs to be torn out and rebuilt with fresh untainted wood.

But.

But doing so will bring the house down. They will see to that.
Posted by: Joe Mannix

So? 1776 was a good year. 2023 can be just as good.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 08, 2023 04:08 PM (ous9O)

105 >>>Reminds me of a certain skinny, jug eared fuck getting to be the Editor of the Harvard Law Review...

I'm sure they all felt so smug when they appointed him, too. "We're the good people".

Posted by: spongeworthy at December 08, 2023 04:08 PM (DWqKI)

106 I wonder how all those "conservative speakers" who were disinvited from speaking on college
Campuses because the children were unable to tolerate the discussion of a different viewpoint, are taking all this new talk about FREEDOM
OF SPEECH.

Posted by: nurse ratched at December 08, 2023 04:08 PM (7VrcY)

107 Does the money that he previously gave any stipulations on it's use. Maybe if she is fired he should demand the money be used to fund studies about Israeli history or a a Simon Weisenthal (sp) center to combat anti semetism.or

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 08, 2023 04:08 PM (RSbhh)

108 Seems to me it would be far more collectivist to stop a private citizen from using their own capital as leverage against a private institution (of sorts) that nonetheless gets more funding from the government in the form of grants and student loans than your local public schools do, which is totally all your base are belong to government.

Posted by: Axeman at December 08, 2023 04:09 PM (krQz2)

109 Oh, that's definitely not true.

Plenty of leftists out there saying, "Israel had it comin', and nothing bad happened to Israel, and Israel shouldn't exist."

They're also saying things like, "Rape of Israeli women isn't the greatest thing, but in the face of Israeli war crimes, it's not that bad."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, celebrating anarchy and 50s B-movies with Joe Dante at December 08, 2023 04:08 PM (GBKbO)

dude , I was responding to 18-1, who is saying that "leftist Jews" are pushing back on the crackdown

Posted by: runner at December 08, 2023 04:09 PM (V13WU)

110 UPenn will get rid of her, take the 100 million and hire another just like her.

If this donor thinks she's the problem he's naive.
It's the majority of the faculty and professors that's the problem.
Posted by: redridinghood at December 08, 2023 04:07 PM (NpAcC)
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Yup.

Now, if it were me, all things being equal, I could see making this demand. Watch them fire her. Then cancel the donation anyway.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 08, 2023 04:09 PM (zxP/x)

111 104 There's so much corruption here. The "elites" are just absolutely rotten.

The whole rotten upper structure needs to be torn out and rebuilt with fresh untainted wood.

But.

But doing so will bring the house down. They will see to that.
Posted by: Joe Mannix

So? 1776 was a good year. 2023 can be just as good.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 08, 2023 04:08 PM (ous9O)

TV commercial: "But time is running out...so act fast!"

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 08, 2023 04:09 PM (ynpvh)

112 Mr. Magoo > Massengill > Magill.

Posted by: wth at December 08, 2023 04:09 PM (v0R5T)

113 Which I should not have, because no names were given

Posted by: runner at December 08, 2023 04:09 PM (V13WU)

114 101 It's not so much the "offensive speech" as it is that Jewish students at Ivy League schools are cowering in their dorm rooms, since they are afraid that they'll be assaulted if they walk around campus.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 08, 2023 04:08 PM (YAtuc)

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At this point, they should have taken a lesson that these places hate them and that they should leave for other opportunities, never to return again.

Men are generally taking that lesson from universities at this point. Other groups should too.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, celebrating anarchy and 50s B-movies with Joe Dante at December 08, 2023 04:09 PM (GBKbO)

115 They're also saying things like, "Rape of Israeli women isn't the greatest thing, but in the face of Israeli war crimes, it's not that bad."

You need to look at October 7th in context before you criticize Hamas.

Posted by: The Left! at December 08, 2023 04:09 PM (YAtuc)

116 So? 1776 was a good year. 2023 can be just as good.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 08, 2023 04:08 PM (ous9O)
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It was a year of death and war. It was an investment in the future, though.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 08, 2023 04:10 PM (zxP/x)

117 "She said he had a "wide range" of duties, which she failed to specify."

He makes a wide range of doodies, sometimes several times a day.

Posted by: Apply gp Directly To Forehead at December 08, 2023 04:10 PM (MvF+J)

118 Alissa Heinerscheid is tanned, rested, and ready!

Posted by: And a lot cheaper, too! at December 08, 2023 04:10 PM (W2jIx)

119 97 83 Magill is a disposable douche.
Posted by: Axeman at December 08, 2023 04:05 PM (krQz2)

Massengill > Magill.
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Summer breeze, makes me feel fine
Blowing through the jasmine in my mine

Posted by: Pudinhead at December 08, 2023 04:10 PM (f87vz)

120 I hereby nominate Alex The Chick to take over Magill's position as Penn President.

*deflty places The Assault Stepstool of Death" behind the University Podium.*

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at December 08, 2023 04:10 PM (e6UQI)

121
Plenty of leftists out there saying, "Israel had it comin', and nothing bad happened to Israel, and Israel shouldn't exist."

They're also saying things like, "Rape of Israeli women isn't the greatest thing, but in the face of Israeli war crimes, it's not that bad."

Yep. The leftist version of "just war" allows literally ANYTHING to be done in its name.

Shooting random people? Sure. Colonizers had it coming.
Raping Jewish women? Sure. Colonizers had it coming.
Beheading babies? Sure. Colonizers had it coming.

Posted by: 18-1 at December 08, 2023 04:10 PM (XqcwY)

122 98 Glenn Reynolds nailed it. ‘Ol Liz has to play by the rules she established and loves. So goodbye Liz… I won’t lose a wink of sleep about it. Learn to code, Liz. Learn to code

The rest of them that "testified" weren't much better

Posted by: It's me donna at December 08, 2023 04:10 PM (n2vyf)

123 109 dude , I was responding to 18-1, who is saying that "leftist Jews" are pushing back on the crackdown
Posted by: runner at December 08, 2023 04:09 PM (V13WU)

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I'll take my chastisement in good cheer, but note that what I responded to could have been taken very differently from what you seem to have intended.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, celebrating anarchy and 50s B-movies with Joe Dante at December 08, 2023 04:10 PM (GBKbO)

124 You forgot the other part of Steven’s demands. His daughter gets admission into Wharton.

Posted by: Drive By at December 08, 2023 04:10 PM (MNhXM)

125 TJM , do you really think I was on another planet last two mothns or something ?

Posted by: runner at December 08, 2023 04:10 PM (V13WU)

126 It's not so much the "offensive speech" as it is that Jewish students at Ivy League schools are cowering in their dorm rooms, since they are afraid that they'll be assaulted if they walk around campus.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 08, 2023 04:08 PM (YAtuc)
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And lynchings can start with "Hey, let's lynch that guy!"

Posted by: Axeman at December 08, 2023 04:10 PM (krQz2)

127 You need to look at October 7th in context before you criticize Hamas.

You also need to look at the Holocaust in context - after all, the Nazis said that the Jews started World War Two, and you need to respect their point of view.

Posted by: The Left! at December 08, 2023 04:11 PM (YAtuc)

128 I remember the Univ. of Penn creating a safe space location after the 2016 election. The reason I remember is because they had kittens and puppies and coloring books and I was pissed they didn't have anything on tap. (that last part isn't true...but they did have kittens and puppies and coloring books)

Posted by: Orson at December 08, 2023 04:11 PM (dIske)

129 Penn is nominally a Quaker school. You'd think they would hold fast on passivism and then shut up.

Posted by: Pudinhead at December 08, 2023 04:11 PM (f87vz)

130 But it does feel wrong to be demanding that universities crack down on offensive speech.

No one is telling them they can't say what they want. It's just there are consequences to saying shit. Up to you if you think it's worth it.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 08, 2023 04:11 PM (ous9O)

131
You need to look at October 7th in context before you criticize Hamas.

Literal crimes against humanity: must be viewed in context

Trump says p*ssy: THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THIS SORT OF LANGUAGE

Posted by: 18-1 at December 08, 2023 04:11 PM (XqcwY)

132 Get woke
Go broke
Strikes again...
Yay!

Posted by: I'm Gumby Damn It! at December 08, 2023 04:11 PM (7cPAc)

133 TJM, it's your fault !!

Posted by: runner at December 08, 2023 04:11 PM (V13WU)

134 125 TJM , do you really think I was on another planet last two mothns or something ?
Posted by: runner at December 08, 2023 04:10 PM (V13WU)

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I think what you wrote was unclear and missing the context of what you were responding to which would have helped clarify the intended point.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, celebrating anarchy and 50s B-movies with Joe Dante at December 08, 2023 04:11 PM (GBKbO)

135 My college President said colleges everywhere were getting rid of college newspapers.

The Lassen Cougar printed an oped critical of his Excellency and a couple months later the entire paper and it's archives were at the Lassen County landfill.

He hired the Senior Journalism professor as his Vice President and then fired her. Tenure was his problem and promotion to senior management was his answer to how to rid himself of the spot. Millions in taxpayer's money were spent on the ensuing lawfare.

Posted by: torabora at December 08, 2023 04:12 PM (OUiUM)

136 133 TJM, it's your fault !!
Posted by: runner at December 08, 2023 04:11 PM (V13WU)

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...Dolley?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, celebrating anarchy and 50s B-movies with Joe Dante at December 08, 2023 04:12 PM (GBKbO)

137 90 When you donate $1,000 to a university you get the president's thanks in a form letter.

When you donate $100,000,000 to a university you get the president's tits in a wringer.
Posted by: Muldoon at December 08, 2023 04:07 PM

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When you donate $1,000 to the University and the President pisses you off? You have a problem.

When you donate $100K to the University and the President pisses you off? She has a BIG PROBLEM.

In the meantime, how many $1K, $5K and $10K donors are just as pissed off?

Posted by: rd at December 08, 2023 04:12 PM (ub6ad)

138 ...Dolley?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, celebrating anarchy and 50s B-movies with Joe Dante

Ah, she has you well trained.

Posted by: She Hobbit at December 08, 2023 04:13 PM (ftFVW)

139 Congresswoman Stefanik has an excellent op-ed in today’s WSJ about this. Nails it.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 08, 2023 04:13 PM (Hkcdp)

140 They're also saying things like, "Rape of Israeli women isn't the greatest thing, but in the face of Israeli war crimes, it's not that bad……

And Israeli war crimes is just shit I made up.

Posted by: Drive By at December 08, 2023 04:13 PM (MNhXM)

141 Now, if it were me, all things being equal, I could see making this demand. Watch them fire her. Then cancel the donation anyway.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)

Tee hee. Had my fingers crossed behind my back.

Posted by: Ross Stevens at December 08, 2023 04:13 PM (v0R5T)

142 137 In the meantime, how many $1K, $5K and $10K donors are just as pissed off?

Posted by: rd at December 08, 2023 04:12 PM (ub6ad)

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How many still buy thousands of dollars of merch for their football teams every year?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, celebrating anarchy and 50s B-movies with Joe Dante at December 08, 2023 04:13 PM (GBKbO)

143 Ace: "The last part suggests a way for Magill to keep her job -- if she disciplines all offenders. But I don't think she wants to do that."

She's going to discipline herself? I don't think so. And, no, a Letter of Clarification is not discipline in any sense of the word. She must resign to even approach a satisfactory response given how putrid her leadership has been given the evidence paraded by the student body (and the bureaucracy who prosecuted any conservatives in their midst).

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel Remembers Babbitt and Perna at December 08, 2023 04:13 PM (aXxgO)

144 dude , I was responding to 18-1, who is saying that "leftist Jews" are pushing back on the crackdown

Huh? No I meant the other way. That Jews in the leftist coalition are fighting to clamp down on jihadis whereas no one cares if this same crap is pointed at conservatives including so-called conservatives in the government/media

Posted by: 18-1 at December 08, 2023 04:14 PM (XqcwY)

145 I remember the Univ. of Penn creating a safe space location after the 2016 election. The reason I remember is because they had kittens and puppies and coloring books and I was pissed they didn't have anything on tap. (that last part isn't true...but they did have kittens and puppies and coloring books)
Posted by: Orson at December 08, 2023

***
Wasn't there a time, perhaps somewhere in the last century, where college students wanted to act grown-up and not be treated like children any more? They bucked against the in loco parentis doctrine of colleges instead of running to their campus Mommy and Daddy?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 08, 2023 04:14 PM (J2vNu)

146 No idea who Peter North is. I thought he was one of the Monkeys.

Guess not.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 08, 2023 04:00 PM (dGCAG)

Peter Tork was a Monkey.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 08, 2023 04:14 PM (eoQWY)

147 "Wasn't this the corner of the idea of challenging social media platforms for choosing what to allow while insisting that they're just platforms instead of publishers?"

yep.

Posted by: barbarausa at December 08, 2023 04:14 PM (enw9G)

148 How many still buy thousands of dollars of merch for their football teams every year?
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Does Penn have a football team?

Posted by: Pudinhead at December 08, 2023 04:14 PM (f87vz)

149 On one hand, it's good to see all these preening assholes who give large sums of money to kolleges filled with people who hate them have a wake up call.

On the other hand, keep polishing these turds so they shine nice and bright.

They ain't changing and they hate you.

Idiots.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 08, 2023 04:14 PM (R/m4+)

150 Please remember, one square only!

Posted by: Sheryl Crow at December 08, 2023 04:15 PM (a3Q+t)

151 And Israeli war crimes is just shit I made up.

Posted by: Drive By at December 08, 2023 04:13 PM (MNhXM)
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It's not a lie, if you believe it.

Posted by: Costanza Press at December 08, 2023 04:15 PM (krQz2)

152 Sadly, Magill is more of an idiot scapegoat.
Penn went to sh$tinder former dean Amy Guttmam, whom Biden rewarded with an ambassadorship to Germany.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 08, 2023 04:15 PM (Hkcdp)

153 148 How many still buy thousands of dollars of merch for their football teams every year?
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Does Penn have a football team?
Posted by: Pudinhead at December 08, 2023 04:14 PM (f87vz)

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I assume, but the turning of colleges into basketcases goes from Oberlin to the University of Florida.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, celebrating anarchy and 50s B-movies with Joe Dante at December 08, 2023 04:15 PM (GBKbO)

154 You need to look at October 7th in context before you criticize Hamas.
Posted by: The Left!

This is exactly what they say. And the "context" they want you to consider is 75 YEaRS open aIR prisON IsRaEl KEePS hOStAGEs (prisoners who are convicted of crimes) stOLeN lAnd STolen LaNd StoleN laND

Posted by: bonhomme at December 08, 2023 04:15 PM (Odg76)

155 150 Please remember, one square only!

Posted by: Sheryl Crow at December 08, 2023 04:15 PM (a3Q+t)

::: starts selling TP the size of kitchen paper towels :::

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 08, 2023 04:16 PM (ynpvh)

156 Reminds me of a certain skinny, jug eared fuck getting to be the Editor of the Harvard Law Review after publishing ZERO academic legal papers.
Posted by: bonhomme at December 08, 2023 04:04 PM

Those are popularity contests. The other kids on staff vote people into those positions.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 08, 2023 04:16 PM (aQy7p)

157 I assume, but the turning of colleges into basketcases goes from Oberlin to the University of Florida.
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Yeah, I was surprised what they did to Davidson.

Posted by: Pudinhead at December 08, 2023 04:16 PM (f87vz)

158 No idea who Peter North is. I thought he was one of the Monkeys.

Guess not.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 08, 2023 04:00 PM (dGCAG)

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But people say he monkeyed around.

Point of pedantry: It's Monkees

Posted by: Axeman at December 08, 2023 04:16 PM (krQz2)

159 Why the hate for Jews?
It doesn't make sense except to the Mussies

Posted by: MAC V SOG at December 08, 2023 04:16 PM (P4Pk9)

160 The grins with teeth but not eyes, the body language the three all exhibited before Stefanik, spoke volumes.

"I'm so much smarter than you, Ms Deplorable, and better prepared to play your little cat and mouse game, and I'm on the side with the power. You are tilting at windmills, Ms Low-Life Flyover Rep, and your ranting signifies nothing."

Posted by: Mr Gaga at December 08, 2023 04:16 PM (OUalq)

161 Lots of bitches in charge of stuff. Where's the kumbaya we were promised?

Posted by: nckate at December 08, 2023 04:16 PM (SnxUt)

162 Wasn't there a time, perhaps somewhere in the last century, where college students wanted to act grown-up and not be treated like children any more? They bucked against the in loco parentis doctrine of colleges instead of running to their campus Mommy and Daddy?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere

But those kids also wanted to drive and generally exercise the freedoms of adulthood. These kids were too coddled and seem to be permanently infantilized. Their mantra is protect me from danger, real and imagined.

Posted by: She Hobbit at December 08, 2023 04:16 PM (ftFVW)

163 156 Reminds me of a certain skinny, jug eared fuck getting to be the Editor of the Harvard Law Review after publishing ZERO academic legal papers.
Posted by: bonhomme at December 08, 2023 04:04 PM

Those are popularity contests. The other kids on staff vote people into those positions.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 08, 2023 04:16 PM (aQy7p)

Oh yes, the positions we voted on were LOTS of fun!

Posted by: Petey BootiJudge at December 08, 2023 04:17 PM (ynpvh)

164 You are right going after their funding is fundamental but going underground is not a change. That's where they were on Oct6th. Still Jew Haters, just a tad more silent and deceptive about it.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 08, 2023 04:04 PM (PQ4m2)

They weren't underground on Oct 6, they were just waiting for an atrocity to crow about. They pop off with statements like this regularly.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 08, 2023 04:17 PM (eoQWY)

165 I like the Tim Pool approach to this, which matches well with the "you make yourself responsible for whatever you allow" sentiment:

If you support free speech, I will support your free speech.
If you do not support free speech, I will not support your free speech.

Posted by: weew at December 08, 2023 04:17 PM (/uwTS)

166 No idea who Peter North is.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 08, 2023 04:00 PM

He's a proud Canadian, as well as an infrequent commenter here.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 08, 2023 04:17 PM (a3Q+t)

167 What kind of class could Biden teach? Advanced graft? How to protect your chums and kin from consequences? Ah, I have it. The random walk approach to exiting a stage.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 08, 2023 04:17 PM (CsUN+)

168 Trump mostly won in court, and the gag order against him is vastly reduced. Trump isn't stopping there. He's taking the remaining gag order to the Supreme Court.

Posted by: bonhomme at December 08, 2023 04:17 PM (Odg76)

169 Aw, c'mon, man! Don't take UPenn away from me!
Now I'll only be able to get my snuff films of 8 year olds from CAIR and Rashida Tlaib, and they're are always shaky and grainy.

Posted by: Joe Biden at December 08, 2023 04:18 PM (OBuuS)

170 159 Why the hate for Jews?
It doesn't make sense except to the Mussies
Posted by: MAC V SOG at December 08, 2023 04:16 PM (P4Pk9)

=========

Long history of Jew hate in Christian nations as well. Jews were expelled from Spain in 1492.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, celebrating anarchy and 50s B-movies with Joe Dante at December 08, 2023 04:18 PM (GBKbO)

171 Please remember, one square only!

Posted by: Sheryl Crow at December 08, 2023 04:15 PM (a3Q+t)
.......

That's why they call you "Dingleberries".

Posted by: wth at December 08, 2023 04:18 PM (v0R5T)

172 M.I.T. alumnus here.

Back in late 2021 MIT had a scandal wherein a prominent (non-MIT) geophysics professor was invited by a department at MIT to give a lecture in his area of expertise. When this became public a small group of alumni and student created a Twitter storm of protest because of his views on academic evaluations being done on the basis of DEI vs. Merit. The Dean of that department swiftly disinvited the professor from speaking.

Posted by: RonF at December 08, 2023 04:18 PM (l8nW6)

173 It's hilarious to me the PRESIDENT of Harvard has only published thirteen academic papers. If she weren't a black woman, she wouldn't even get tenure on such a thin resume.

Reminds me of a certain skinny, jug eared fuck getting to be the Editor of the Harvard Law Review after publishing ZERO academic legal papers.
Posted by: bonhomme at December 08, 2023 04:04 PM (Odg76)

Bet those papers are real corker's too. Kill Whitey in more syllables.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 08, 2023 04:18 PM (eoQWY)

174 Wasn't there a time, perhaps somewhere in the last century, where college students wanted to act grown-up and not be treated like children any more? They bucked against the in loco parentis doctrine of colleges instead of running to their campus Mommy and Daddy?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 08, 2023 04:14 PM (J2vNu)

_______________________________________

I'll tell you what would be an interesting poll. Ask different generations what they would do with $10 Million. I guarantee you that a vast majority of college kids these days would look at it as an opportunity to do absolutely nothing while living comfortably. The older generations would have plans to follow their passions and excell in an employment they truly enjoy.

Posted by: Orson at December 08, 2023 04:19 PM (dIske)

175 170 159 Why the hate for Jews?
It doesn't make sense except to the Mussies
Posted by: MAC V SOG at December 08, 2023 04:16 PM (P4Pk9)

=========

Long history of Jew hate in Christian nations as well. Jews were expelled from Spain in 1492.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, celebrating anarchy and 50s B-movies with Joe Dante at December 08, 2023 04:18 PM (GBKbO)

Or the Czars with their Progroms.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 08, 2023 04:19 PM (ynpvh)

176 Rich people with a lot of money can generally put themselves above the fray. Most of the insidious things they support in the name of Democrats don't affect them. So they snicker, and support people who tear apart the fabric of our country and divide us. That is until the mob goes after something they can't escape- being Jewish. Then all of a sudden it's "I'll cut you off until you start going after the plebes again and leave me alone". Forgive me, but go fuck yourself and stick your money up your ass. I'm kinda enjoying the fact you feel uncomfortable and all of a sudden you're launching pathos pleas to your "tribe". EATADIK.

Posted by: Marcus T at December 08, 2023 04:19 PM (e1mwr)

177 Huh? No I meant the other way. That Jews in the leftist coalition are fighting to clamp down on jihadis whereas no one cares if this same crap is pointed at conservatives including so-called conservatives in the government/media
Posted by: 18-1 at December 08, 2023 04:14 PM (XqcwY)

ah, well, if conservatives care about "crap pointed at them " they should do something about it, no? or do conservatives have no agency ?? what are the excuses ?

Posted by: runner at December 08, 2023 04:19 PM (V13WU)

178 90 When you donate $1,000 to a university you get the president's thanks in a form letter.

When you donate $100,000,000 to a university you get the president's tits in a wringer.
Posted by: Muldoon at December 08, 2023 04:07 PM (991eG

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Jews are usually very successful. Some people are just lazy envious fucktards.

Posted by: rd at December 08, 2023 04:19 PM (ub6ad)

179 If you support free speech, I will support your free speech.
If you do not support free speech, I will not support your free speech.
Posted by: weew at December 08, 2023 04:17 PM (/uwTS)
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It's also a position of authority. An authority that doesn't know better than tolerate the concept of genocide, isn't really somebody who should be in authority.

That's the problem with all 3 incompetents who testified. It's like thinking on your feet is a sign of The Patriarchy--so they refuse to think on their feet.

Posted by: Axeman at December 08, 2023 04:19 PM (krQz2)

180 THIS. IS. LIBRARY!!!

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at December 08, 2023 04:19 PM (nnp+f)

181 For a 1% cut of the upcoming donation, this chilly Asian lady is happy to take the job vacated by the soon-to-be-unemployed Magill:
https://is.gd/FeYcnV

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 08, 2023 04:19 PM (zxP/x)

182 Peter North is a Canadian former porn star and director. I know that, not because I've seen his output but because the name was mentioned here some time ago.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 08, 2023 04:20 PM (RSbhh)

183 Long history of Jew hate in Christian nations as well. Jews were expelled from Spain in 1492.
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Well they had Conversos who were the leading edge of the Inquisition. 1492 was a big year for Spain. The beginning of a nation state and discovering a new world loaded with gold.

Posted by: Pudinhead at December 08, 2023 04:20 PM (f87vz)

184 Point of pedantry: It's Monkees
Posted by: Axeman at December 08, 2023 04:16 PM

Hermanx!

But why don't people shout "Shut up, Axeman!" at you, like they do me?

Posted by: Wesley Crusher at December 08, 2023 04:20 PM (a3Q+t)

185 What kind of class could Biden teach? Advanced graft? How to protect your chums and kin from consequences? Ah, I have it. The random walk approach to exiting a stage.
Posted by: Archimedes

Adult diaper selection during times of high inflation.

Posted by: She Hobbit at December 08, 2023 04:20 PM (ftFVW)

186 172 M.I.T. alumnus here.

Back in late 2021 MIT had a scandal wherein a prominent (non-MIT) geophysics professor was invited by a department at MIT to give a lecture in his area of expertise. When this became public a small group of alumni and student created a Twitter storm of protest because of his views on academic evaluations being done on the basis of DEI vs. Merit. The Dean of that department swiftly disinvited the professor from speaking.
Posted by: RonF at December 08, 2023 04:18 PM (l8nW6)

=======

E to the x, du dx, e to the x dx.
Secant, tangent, cosine, sine
3.14159
integral, radical, u dv
slipstick, sliderule, MIT!

(apparently not how it actually goes, but how I remember my dad saying it)

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, celebrating anarchy and 50s B-movies with Joe Dante at December 08, 2023 04:21 PM (GBKbO)

187 "Conservatives" can stand up and say, enough is enough, no ? DOE is poison and I withdraw my support ? Plenty of billionaires on the right.

Posted by: runner at December 08, 2023 04:21 PM (V13WU)

188 184 Point of pedantry: It's Monkees
Posted by: Axeman at December 08, 2023 04:16 PM

Hermanx!

But why don't people shout "Shut up, Axeman!" at you, like they do me?

Posted by: Wesley Crusher at December 08, 2023 04:20 PM (a3Q+t)

Your voice is more annoying and whiney.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 08, 2023 04:21 PM (ynpvh)

189 148 How many still buy thousands of dollars of merch for their football teams every year?
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Does Penn have a football team?

Posted by: Pudinhead at December 08, 2023 04:14 PM (f87vz)

The Wramblin' Wrectum

Posted by: Tex Lovera at December 08, 2023 04:21 PM (wtvvX)

190 Long history of Jew hate in Christian nations as well. Jews were expelled from Spain in 1492.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, celebrating anarchy and 50s B-movies with Joe Dante at December 08, 2023 04:18 PM (GBKbO)

Mrs. Robbo's family. They claim to have documentation tracing all the way back but I haven't actually seen it.

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at December 08, 2023 04:21 PM (N3zMI)

191 Ace: "But if your policy is to routinely censor speech, and only selectively allow speech, then you definitely are endorsing the speech you permit, because you've shown what you do with speech you don't endorse: you censor it, you forbid it. Therefore, in a regime or routine censorship, any permitted speech is officially endorsed speech."

Yep. That's a precise analysis of what has been policy and the remedy for it.

Free speech is not a unidirectional ratchet. And on an "elite" campus, it's especially egregious given their advertised lie of free exchange of ideas. It's not and hasn't been. Now the world has Exhibit One A of yet another lie spread 'round the world. It's up to a responsible citizenry to correct this. Alas, it won't, but the opportunity has been provided by the collegiate leadership itself due to its pathetic (yet designed) behavior.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel Remembers Babbitt and Perna at December 08, 2023 04:21 PM (aXxgO)

192 159 Why the hate for Jews?
It doesn't make sense except to the Mussies
Posted by: MAC V SOG at December 08, 2023 04:16 PM (P4Pk9)

=========

Long history of Jew hate in Christian nations as well. Jews were expelled from Spain in 1492.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, celebrating anarchy and 50s B-movies with Joe Dante at December 08, 2023 04:18 PM (GBKbO)

Jews often were lending money back in the day when Christians didn't feel right about charging interest. So their interactions with most people were pretty negative.

Kings also found it handy because they could get "loans" and then kick them out of the country for a while in lieu of paying them back.

They also were big in trade when trade had collapsed in Medieval times and this again were on the other side of expensive transactions for high priced items.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 08, 2023 04:22 PM (eoQWY)

193 Peter North is a Canadian former porn star and director. I know that, not because I've seen his output but because the name was mentioned here some time ago.

Former porn star? What does he do now after porn? I'd like to see his resume. I mean, porn star is not exactly full of transferable skills.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 08, 2023 04:23 PM (CsUN+)

194 For a 1% cut of the upcoming donation, this chilly Asian lady is happy to take the job vacated by the soon-to-be-unemployed Magill:
https://is.gd/FeYcnV
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)
........

Obviously a Japanese spy. She's practically begging me to dial Tokyo.

Posted by: wth at December 08, 2023 04:23 PM (v0R5T)

195 Long history of Jew hate in Christian nations as well. Jews were expelled from Spain in 1492.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, celebrating anarchy and 50s B-movies with Joe Dante at December 08, 2023 04:18 PM (GB
What about today?

Posted by: MAC V SOG at December 08, 2023 04:23 PM (P4Pk9)

196 DOE is poison

Yeah. Down with the Department of Energy already.

Posted by: Where's that Argentinian guy cancelling ministries when you need him? at December 08, 2023 04:23 PM (pjs7m)

197
ah, well, if conservatives care about "crap pointed at them " they should do something about it, no? or do conservatives have no agency ?? what are the excuses ?

THAT conservative getting cancelled right now is icky and deserved it. But of course I support free speech and wouldn't let them cancel normal people like you and I.

Posted by: What the GOPe says at December 08, 2023 04:23 PM (XqcwY)

198 191 Ace: "But if your policy is to routinely censor speech, and only selectively allow speech, then you definitely are endorsing the speech you permit, because you've shown what you do with speech you don't endorse: you censor it, you forbid it. Therefore, in a regime or routine censorship, any permitted speech is officially endorsed speech."

Yep. That's a precise analysis of what has been policy and the remedy for it.

Free speech is not a unidirectional ratchet. And on an "elite" campus, it's especially egregious given their advertised lie of free exchange of ideas. It's not and hasn't been. Now the world has Exhibit One A of yet another lie spread 'round the world. It's up to a responsible citizenry to correct this. Alas, it won't, but the opportunity has been provided by the collegiate leadership itself due to its pathetic (yet designed) behavior.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel Remembers Babbitt and Perna at December 08, 2023 04:21 PM (aXxgO)

Which is why, by defining some speech as NOT speech they can ban it. "Oh, that's not speech, it's violence and hate!"

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 08, 2023 04:23 PM (ynpvh)

199 But it does feel wrong to be demanding that universities crack down on offensive speech.

-

Not really, not any more. Being of two minds here is just the first stage of the grieving process, denial.

We don't have that kind of society any more.

Posted by: Joe, living dangerously at December 08, 2023 04:23 PM (dPmj/)

200 195 Long history of Jew hate in Christian nations as well. Jews were expelled from Spain in 1492.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, celebrating anarchy and 50s B-movies with Joe Dante at December 08, 2023 04:18 PM (GB
What about today?
Posted by: MAC V SOG at December 08, 2023 04:23 PM (P4Pk9)

========

It does seem much reduced in Christianity today, but I'd never assume it's gone.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, celebrating anarchy and 50s B-movies with Joe Dante at December 08, 2023 04:23 PM (GBKbO)

201 "Jews often were lending money back in the day when Christians ~~didn't feel right about~~ were forbidden from charging interest."

FIFY

Posted by: FeatherBlade at December 08, 2023 04:24 PM (ou9hh)

202

They weren't underground on Oct 6, they were just waiting for an atrocity to crow about. They pop off with statements like this regularly.
Posted by: Oldcat at December 08, 2023 04:17 PM (eoQWY)

Works for me

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 08, 2023 04:24 PM (PQ4m2)

203 "Long history of Jew hate in Christian nations as well."

Martin Luther wrote a whole book about it.

Posted by: Apply gp Directly To Forehead at December 08, 2023 04:24 PM (MvF+J)

204 *I meant DEI is poison

Posted by: runner at December 08, 2023 04:24 PM (V13WU)

205 193 Peter North is a Canadian former porn star and director. I know that, not because I've seen his output but because the name was mentioned here some time ago.

Former porn star? What does he do now after porn? I'd like to see his resume. I mean, porn star is not exactly full of transferable skills.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 08, 2023 04:23 PM (CsUN+)

Politics. It's used all the time in politics.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 08, 2023 04:24 PM (ynpvh)

206 Does Penn have a football team?

Posted by: Pudinhead at December 08, 2023 04:14 PM (f87vz)

The Wramblin' Wrectum
Posted by: Tex Lovera at December 08, 2023 04:21 PM (wtvvX)
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The UberAlles.

Posted by: Axeman at December 08, 2023 04:24 PM (krQz2)

207 I know that, not because I've seen his output

*snickers like a 6th grader*

Posted by: Archimedes at December 08, 2023 04:24 PM (CsUN+)

208 "Conservatives" can stand up and say, enough is enough, no ? DOE is poison and I withdraw my support ? Plenty of billionaires on the right.
Posted by: runner at December 08, 2023 04:21 PM (V13WU)
++++
The State of Tennessee might be doing that. It's a story I'm watching.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 08, 2023 04:24 PM (zxP/x)

209 But why don't people shout "Shut up, Axeman!" at you, like they do me?
Posted by: Wesley Crusher

Why would they shout "Shut up, Axeman!" at you?

Posted by: rickb223 at December 08, 2023 04:25 PM (ous9O)

210 201 "Jews often were lending money back in the day when Christians didn't feel right about were forbidden from charging interest."

FIFY
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Good catch.

Posted by: Pudinhead at December 08, 2023 04:25 PM (f87vz)

211 204 *I meant DEI is poison

Posted by: runner at December 08, 2023 04:24 PM (V13WU)

Well, they both kinda are.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 08, 2023 04:25 PM (ynpvh)

212 Oh no, they can't fire the white AWFL! If there's one thing there's a shortage of in this country, it's them! She's irreplaceable!

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen at December 08, 2023 04:25 PM (HF4ch)

213 199 But it does feel wrong to be demanding that universities crack down on offensive speech.

-

Not really, not any more. Being of two minds here is just the first stage of the grieving process, denial.

We don't have that kind of society any more.
Posted by: Joe, living dangerously at December 08, 2023 04:23 PM (dPmj/)

Openly siding with those calling for genocide kiiiiiind of goes beyond offensive.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at December 08, 2023 04:25 PM (KbCG3)

214 Peter North is a Canadian former porn star and director. I know that, not because I've seen his output but because the name was mentioned here some time ago.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 08, 2023 04:20 PM

His output really must be seen to be appreciated, or so I've read here.

Posted by: J. Random Single 'Ron at December 08, 2023 04:25 PM (a3Q+t)

215 Posted by: Archimedes at December 08, 2023 04:24 PM (CsUN+)

It was intended to get that reaction.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 08, 2023 04:25 PM (RSbhh)

216 208 "Conservatives" can stand up and say, enough is enough, no ? DOE is poison and I withdraw my support ? Plenty of billionaires on the right.
Posted by: runner at December 08, 2023 04:21 PM (V13WU)
++++
The State of Tennessee might be doing that. It's a story I'm watching.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 08, 2023 04:24 PM (zxP/x)

======

I'm not so much as watching it, as just knowing that it's a thing and perking up when my regular news sources highlight it.

I don't want to say that I'm hopeful, but it is certainly interesting.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, celebrating anarchy and 50s B-movies with Joe Dante at December 08, 2023 04:25 PM (GBKbO)

217 "Jews often were lending money back in the day when Christians didn't feel right about were forbidden from charging interest."

FIFY
Posted by: FeatherBlade at December 08, 2023 04:24 PM (ou9hh)
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Jews weren't supposed to charge each other interest either.

Posted by: Axeman at December 08, 2023 04:25 PM (krQz2)

218 "It's getting to the point where being a law biding citizen is a sucker's game."

I got a jury summons. Or maybe I didn't.
I can't recall.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at December 08, 2023 04:25 PM (MeG8a)

219 But it does feel wrong to be demanding that universities crack down on offensive speech.

Don't think of this as a legal situation where you want some general fairly implemented rule that most reasonable people can agree with.

Think of this as war because that's what our culture and legal system have become. And right now our enemies have taken a short break from attacking us and are attacking each other instead. Have at it and I hope you both lose.

Posted by: 18-1 at December 08, 2023 04:25 PM (XqcwY)

220 Former porn star? What does he do now after porn?
......

probably sits around a lot scratching his balls.

Posted by: wth at December 08, 2023 04:26 PM (v0R5T)

221 "Long history of Jew hate in Christian nations as well. "

Define long, white man. There were relatively short periods in history where nations who professed to be Christian engaged in antisemitism. Often that was met with equal hate for anyone else who wasn't a Christian including Atheists they burnt at the stake. The Gospels directly contradict antisemitism and there are a few instances where people corrupted them in ignorance for that purpose. Conversely, it has been a staple of Islam and still is.

Posted by: Marcus T at December 08, 2023 04:26 PM (e1mwr)

222
I got a jury summons. Or maybe I didn't.
I can't recall.

I'd go. And 100% base my jury vote on how conservative I thought the defendant was.

Posted by: 18-1 at December 08, 2023 04:26 PM (XqcwY)

223 I pray that we are at the Finding Out part of the saying.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 08, 2023 04:26 PM (aD39U)

224 220 Former porn star? What does he do now after porn?
......

probably sits around a lot scratching his balls.

Posted by: wth at December 08, 2023 04:26 PM (v0R5T)

There are creams for that.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 08, 2023 04:26 PM (ynpvh)

225 I cannot believe that Joe Biden was such a hot commodity that he was the only person foreign countries, US businesses and, as it turns out, fancy universities all couldn't wait to throw money at him, his crackhead kid, any other members of his family and random other people who managed to glom on to him.

So who else is eyeball deep in this sort of money scheme?

Posted by: Just Lily at December 08, 2023 04:26 PM (q/T/q)

226 I know that, not because I've seen his output
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But let's not talk about his issues.

Posted by: Axeman at December 08, 2023 04:26 PM (krQz2)

227 195 Long history of Jew hate in Christian nations as well. Jews were expelled from Spain in 1492.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, celebrating anarchy and 50s B-movies with Joe Dante at December 08, 2023 04:18 PM (GB
What about today?
Posted by: MAC V SOG at December 08, 2023 04:23 PM (P4Pk9)

Not as much today. Mostly because Christians gave up on their religion. They went from a fairly pointed reading of "Let his blood be upon us" to "well, whatever, the point is to be nice to everyone, especially gays."

Posted by: A lot of Christianity is pretty weak sauce these days at December 08, 2023 04:27 PM (pjs7m)

228 221 "Long history of Jew hate in Christian nations as well. "

Define long, white man. There were relatively short periods in history where nations who professed to be Christian engaged in antisemitism. Often that was met with equal hate for anyone else who wasn't a Christian including Atheists they burnt at the stake. The Gospels directly contradict antisemitism and there are a few instances where people corrupted them in ignorance for that purpose. Conversely, it has been a staple of Islam and still is.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 08, 2023 04:26 PM (e1mwr)

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No True Scotsman.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, celebrating anarchy and 50s B-movies with Joe Dante at December 08, 2023 04:27 PM (GBKbO)

229 Jews weren't supposed to charge each other interest either.
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Then how was wire invented?

Posted by: Pudinhead at December 08, 2023 04:27 PM (f87vz)

230 Jews often were lending money back in the day when Christians didn't feel right about charging interest. So their interactions with most people were pretty negative.

==

Jews were denied practice of most professions if not all, citizenship, rights, membership in guilds, and were only allowed money lending, because it was considered "dirty".

Posted by: runner at December 08, 2023 04:27 PM (V13WU)

231 I got a jury summons. Or maybe I didn't.
I can't recall.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at December 08, 2023 04:25 PM (MeG8a)

I get one about once a year. I usually call the clerk and her fat ass tells me if I am needed or not.

This year I tossed it. Still waiting for The Man to come and get me.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 08, 2023 04:27 PM (R/m4+)

232 222
I got a jury summons. Or maybe I didn't.
I can't recall.

I'd go. And 100% base my jury vote on how conservative I thought the defendant was.

Posted by: 18-1 at December 08, 2023 04:26 PM (XqcwY)

I can't be on a jury for a week or more, so I'm exempt, for now.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 08, 2023 04:27 PM (ynpvh)

233 I'm not so much as watching it, as just knowing that it's a thing and perking up when my regular news sources highlight it.

I don't want to say that I'm hopeful, but it is certainly interesting.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, celebrating anarchy and 50s B-movies with Joe Dante at December 08, 2023 04:25 PM (GBKbO)
++++
If TN does it - and I hope it does - the FedGov, the teachers unions and various others are going to go after them with pliers, hammers and blowtorches. It will be educational.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 08, 2023 04:27 PM (zxP/x)

234 Ire! Google it Bitches!

Posted by: Am a Gettin Tired of this shit! at December 08, 2023 04:28 PM (7cPAc)

235 182 Peter North .... I've seen his output

His "output" was legendary.

Posted by: J. Frank Parnell at December 08, 2023 04:28 PM (lqvOK)

236 160 The grins with teeth but not eyes, the body language the three all exhibited before Stefanik, spoke volumes.

"I'm so much smarter than you, Ms Deplorable, and better prepared to play your little cat and mouse game, and I'm on the side with the power. You are tilting at windmills, Ms Low-Life Flyover Rep, and your ranting signifies nothing."
Posted by: Mr Gaga at December 08, 2023 04:16 PM (OUalq)
********
Her tone and the look on her face made them look like fools.
She's probably on the short list for Trump or DeSantis' VP choice.

Posted by: redridinghood at December 08, 2023 04:28 PM (NpAcC)

237 "Jews weren't supposed to charge each other interest either.
Posted by: Axeman at December 08, 2023"

They weren't charging each other (probably). They were charging everybody else.

The out-group is always fair game for whatever abuse, regardless of who the in-group is.

Posted by: FeatherBlade at December 08, 2023 04:28 PM (ou9hh)

238 The State of Tennessee might be doing that. It's a story I'm watching.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 08, 2023 04:24 PM (zxP/x)

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I'm not so much as watching it, as just knowing that it's a thing and perking up when my regular news sources highlight it.

I don't want to say that I'm hopeful, but it is certainly interesting.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, celebrating anarchy and 50s B-movies with Joe Dante at December 08, 2023 04:25 PM (GBKbO)

good, good

Posted by: runner at December 08, 2023 04:28 PM (V13WU)

239
Is it official Satanic policy to have three women making policy statements together? I notice in Michigan that Whitmer, Nessel and Benson are always showing up together as well, and Hillary Scholten seems to have a couple lesbians hanging around at statement time.

Posted by: Auspex at December 08, 2023 04:28 PM (j4U/Z)

240 It's getting to the point where being a law biding citizen is a sucker's game.

There is a lot you can do against Leviathan without even sticking your neck out. Some thoughts in no particular order:

1. Stop buying stuff
2. Do only what the government directly compels you to do. Do not voluntarily cooperate Do not volunteer information.
3. Pay in cash with a winkwink
4. Cheat the government whenever possible
5. Steal all your entertainment
6. If you know of tax cheating, keep your mouth shut
7. If called to jury, refuse to convict if you think the law unjust Remember that if the FBI is testifying, it's most likely a frame-up.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 08, 2023 04:28 PM (aD39U)

241 This is applicable to the Gaetz dust up a couple days ago too. Yes, we would like to go back to "normal", where we all support free speech and concern ourselves with things like decorum from politicians. Unfortunately, as Breitbart said, this is war. These fuckers must be made to live by their own illiberal rules until they break.

This is why The Godfather needed a wartime consigliere - someone willing to fight until the threat has been put down.

Posted by: Milquetoast Mortgage-Paying Neighbor in Flyover Country at December 08, 2023 04:28 PM (5C4od)

242
8. Discriminate in all your private dealings, without openly saying so. Never miss an opportunity to quietly do a Commie dirty.
9. If you see a CoC sticker on a business, go elsewhere
10. Vote against all tax levies, particularly school levies
11. Always ask your contractors if they use Latin American labor. If they say yes say sorry, if they say no, check out the workers yourself and if Latin, send them away.
12. Buy firearms and ammo. It's not simply a just-in-case, it's a good financial investment of small sums when savings are yielding poor returns.

Good Citizens are chumps.

They need us more than we need them.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 08, 2023 04:28 PM (aD39U)

243
i mentioned the plane pulling a banner over Cambridge,MA the last two days: "Harvard Hates Jews"

Posted by: Soothsayer at December 08, 2023 04:28 PM (JsN0q)

244 probably sits around a lot scratching his balls.
Posted by: wth at December 08, 2023 04:26 PM (v0R5T)
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Hey! We're colleagues!

Posted by: President Charlie Foxtrot at December 08, 2023 04:28 PM (krQz2)

245 I cannot believe that Joe Biden was such a hot commodity that he was the only person foreign countries, US businesses and, as it turns out, fancy universities all couldn't wait to throw money at him, his crackhead kid, any other members of his family and random other people who managed to glom on to him.

So who else is eyeball deep in this sort of money scheme?

She mentioned that Jeb Bush has also had such a position, so you know they don't discriminate against conservatives.
\sarc

Also, for some reason, she didn't mention how much Bush made.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 08, 2023 04:29 PM (CsUN+)

246 "Jews often were lending money back in the day when Christians didn't feel right about were forbidden from charging interest."

No matter what your ethnicity, lending money is a great way to get somebody to hate you.

Posted by: Apply gp Directly To Forehead at December 08, 2023 04:29 PM (MvF+J)

247 232 222
I got a jury summons. Or maybe I didn't.
I can't recall.

I'd go. And 100% base my jury vote on how conservative I thought the defendant was.

Posted by: 18-1 at December 08, 2023 04:26 PM (XqcwY)

I can't be on a jury for a week or more, so I'm exempt, for now.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 08, 2023 04:27 PM (ynpvh)

If it was a Federal summons, you might have 30 FIB agents in full gear knock down your door...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 08, 2023 04:29 PM (ynpvh)

248 199 But it does feel wrong to be demanding that universities crack down on offensive speech.

They have rejected free speech and must be treated equally.

Posted by: Kratwurst at December 08, 2023 04:29 PM (i/LKe)

249 Posted by: A lot of Christianity is pretty weak sauce these days at December 08, 2023 04:27 PM (pjs7m)

Its sounds like you're endorsing anti semetism because it's "real" Christianity and not weak sauce. I hope that I read that wrong, because if I didn't it's reprehsible.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 08, 2023 04:30 PM (RSbhh)

250 The James Madison @186

Yep, that's how that goes. "Slipstick" was a slang term for slide rule.

Posted by: RonF at December 08, 2023 04:30 PM (l8nW6)

251 Remember the government takes money from YOU to pay people at universities to call for YOUR rights (and in some cases life) to be taken away.

Posted by: 18-1 at December 08, 2023 04:30 PM (XqcwY)

252 239
Is it official Satanic policy to have three women making policy statements together? I notice in Michigan that Whitmer, Nessel and Benson are always showing up together as well, and Hillary Scholten seems to have a couple lesbians hanging around at statement time.

Posted by: Auspex at December 08, 2023 04:28 PM (j4U/Z)

I think that's the minimun number of witches needed for something or the other.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 08, 2023 04:30 PM (ynpvh)

253 Long history of Jew hate in Christian nations as well. Jews were expelled from Spain in 1492.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, celebrating anarchy and 50s B-movies with Joe Dante at December 08, 2023 04:18 PM (GBKbO)

Yup...but we remember. My grandmother spoke Ladino.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 08, 2023 04:30 PM (sM1IA)

254 BREAKING: Biden DOJ To Prosecute Major UPenn Donor For Extortion. Developing ...

Posted by: ShainS -- CISA Cognitive Security Agent at December 08, 2023 04:31 PM (ub4bN)

255 No matter what your ethnicity, lending money is a great way to get somebody to hate you.
Posted by: Apply gp Directly To Forehead

Notice, if you loan someone money, instead of paying you back, they just quit talking to you?

Posted by: rickb223 at December 08, 2023 04:31 PM (ous9O)

256 240 It's getting to the point where being a law biding citizen is a sucker's game.

There is a lot you can do against Leviathan without even sticking your neck out. Some thoughts in no particular order:

1. Stop buying stuff
2. Do only what the government directly compels you to do. Do not voluntarily cooperate Do not volunteer information.
3. Pay in cash with a winkwink
4. Cheat the government whenever possible
5. Steal all your entertainment
6. If you know of tax cheating, keep your mouth shut
7. If called to jury, refuse to convict if you think the law unjust Remember that if the FBI is testifying, it's most likely a frame-up.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 08, 2023 04:28 PM (aD39U)

Proviso: Unless libbies are engaging in said illegal activities...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 08, 2023 04:31 PM (ynpvh)

257 Shut up, Wesley!

Posted by: San Franpsycho at December 08, 2023 04:31 PM (RIvkX)

258 Univ. of @Penn Pres. Liz Magill defends paying Biden $400,000 for a no-show job: "He invited speakers"

Who? Who did he invite? How much were they paid?

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at December 08, 2023 04:31 PM (7KyEm)

259 The entire purpose of university presidents is to bring in donors. The three that testified before Congress forgot that. They thought they were there to suck up to the latest leftist student movement, which they did formidably. (Imagine suggesting there's a proper context for a group to assert genocide.)

Good on the few benefactors who've stood up to say, "Nah, bruh."

Posted by: red speck at December 08, 2023 04:32 PM (0Id0S)

260 jim (in Kalifornia): "Which is why, by defining some speech as NOT speech they can ban it. 'Oh, that's not speech, it's violence and hate!'"

It's easy to call BS on the semantic game of redefining terms. All it takes is the tiniest amount of spine to reject their premise and out the game. Super easy. Barely an inconvenience.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel Remembers Babbitt and Perna at December 08, 2023 04:32 PM (aXxgO)

261 i mentioned the plane pulling a banner over Cambridge,MA the last two days: "Harvard Hates Jews"
Posted by: Soothsayer at December 08, 2023 04:28 PM (JsN0q)

Can't charge the guy with lying, can you.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 08, 2023 04:32 PM (eoQWY)

262 243
i mentioned the plane pulling a banner over Cambridge,MA the last two days: "Harvard Hates Jews"

Posted by: Soothsayer at December 08, 2023 04:28 PM (JsN0q)

Funny thing is, you can't quite be 100% sure which side hired that plane to fly that banner.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at December 08, 2023 04:32 PM (KbCG3)

263 Notice, if you loan someone money, instead of paying you back, they just quit talking to you?

Except some family members, who try to act like it just didn't happen.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at December 08, 2023 04:32 PM (dZVON)

264 I get jury summons like clockwork every 2 years.
It's pretty easy service. You check with the web site the night before and it will tell you if need to actually come in. And that has only happened to me 1 time in a dozen years or so.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at December 08, 2023 04:32 PM (MeG8a)

265 After a large and unfavorable reaction by other alumni M.I.T. now has an updated free speech policy based on the Chicago principles.

It's at https://tinyurl.com/4kw5c25d

It was soon tested by students who chalked anti-leftist messages on campus. Many leftists were offended. They were informed that this is what free speech means and the administration refused to take action against the chalkers.

Posted by: RonF at December 08, 2023 04:33 PM (c+mk0)

266 Notice, if you loan someone money, instead of paying you back, they just quit talking to you?

==

So , I had this friend....

Posted by: runner at December 08, 2023 04:33 PM (V13WU)

267 I was on the grand jury once. It was eyeopening.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 08, 2023 04:33 PM (aD39U)

268 A lot of people finding out these days.

Posted by: Axeman at December 08, 2023 04:33 PM (krQz2)

269 Yeah, no Latin workers. I hate Italians.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 08, 2023 04:33 PM (b4o9z)

270 Dr. Kornbluth has only been in office as President of M.I.T. since May.

Antisemitism may well be gross and offensive but if it's protected by free speech I think she has to allow it.

OTOH, recently a group of "pro-Palestinian" protesters blocked the main street entrance to M.I.T. for hours, even after being told not to do it in the first place and then being told to leave.

They've been placed on restriction (can only be on campus for class) until their cases are heard by the Committee on Discipline.

Nothing will happen there until next semester. We'll see what happens after that.

Posted by: RonF at December 08, 2023 04:34 PM (c+mk0)

271 269 Yeah, no Latin workers. I hate Italians.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 08, 2023 04:33 PM (b4o9z)

Et tu, Sniffy?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 08, 2023 04:34 PM (ynpvh)

272 Yeah, no Latin workers. I hate Italians.

Don't we all.

Posted by: Some Carthaginian at December 08, 2023 04:34 PM (XqcwY)

273 Jews were expelled from England, too.

Posted by: mrp at December 08, 2023 04:34 PM (rj6Yv)

274 Except some family members, who try to act like it just didn't happen.
Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at December 08, 2023 04:32 PM (dZVON)
++++
Yup.

I have some family members to whom I'll lend money, because I know I'll eventually be paid back.

I have some family members to whom I'll "lend" money if it's not too much, because I know I'll never be paid back.

I have some family members who have worn out their welcome and to whom I will not "lend" money for any reason.

Takes all kinds.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 08, 2023 04:34 PM (zxP/x)

275 Never been on a jury. I’ve waited around while they scared everyone into plea deals a few times though.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 08, 2023 04:35 PM (b4o9z)

276 "I think that's the minimun number of witches needed for something or the other.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 08, 2023 "

Do you think they fight over which of them get to be the maiden, the mother, or the crone?

Posted by: FeatherBlade at December 08, 2023 04:35 PM (ou9hh)

277 If Jews and Muzzies would just embrace Santa Claus all would be well in the world.

Posted by: Pudinhead at December 08, 2023 04:35 PM (f87vz)

278 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Expulsions_and_exoduses_of_Jews

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 08, 2023 04:35 PM (ynpvh)

279 I get jury summons like clockwork every 2 years.
It's pretty easy service. You check with the web site the night before and it will tell you if need to actually come in. And that has only happened to me 1 time in a dozen years or so.
Posted by: gourmand du jour

Lived in the last house 31 years. Received three jury summonses. Moved to new county. Got one the first year.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 08, 2023 04:35 PM (ous9O)

280 I have had a jury summons too. I can easily get the time off and I plan to serve if I get called.

I have done one federal and one local jury in the past.

If I get picked for a panel, I will do my best to be fair.

It seems like the right thing to do.

Posted by: Just Lily at December 08, 2023 04:35 PM (q/T/q)

281 Nothing will happen there until next semester. We'll see what happens after that.

And the word of the day kids is nothing! Nothing will happen now. Nothing will happen then!

Posted by: 18-1 at December 08, 2023 04:35 PM (XqcwY)

282 But those kids also wanted to drive and generally exercise the freedoms of adulthood. These kids were too coddled and seem to be permanently infantilized. Their mantra is protect me from danger, real and imagined.
Posted by: She Hobbit at December 08, 2023 04:16 PM (ftFVW)

Being an adult carries more liabilities than benefits, nowadays.

Posted by: Kindltot at December 08, 2023 04:35 PM (D7oie)

283 Proviso: Unless libbies are engaging in said illegal activities...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia)

Yep.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at December 08, 2023 04:35 PM (R4t5M)

284 Interesting. First of all, Joe's daughter & all three of Hunter's oldest, all now grown women, went to Sidwell Friends School (as did O's daughters) and then went to Penn.

Penn may be caught between a rock and a hard place because:

Quaker Consortium

Undergraduate students within The Wharton School, College of Arts and Sciences, and School of Engineering and Applied Science may enroll in undergraduate-level courses at Bryn Mawr, Haverford, or Swarthmore College during the fall and spring terms of the academic year. These three schools along with University of Pennsylvania constitute the Quaker Consortium and have a reciprocal agreement for course credit and tuition. This means that grades will appear on the student’s Penn transcript, and no additional tuition will be charged.

Summer sessions are not subject to the Quaker Consortium agreement and are treated as credit away.

Students from Bryn Mawr, Haverford, or Swarthmore College wishing to enroll in Penn undergraduate-level courses in the fall or spring term should do so through the Registrar's Office at their home institution. For more information, review the Quaker Consortium Student Guide.
--
"Divesture"

Posted by: L - They don't have to outrun the bear, they only need to outrun us - for now at December 08, 2023 04:36 PM (GshMh)

285 Remember when you used to donate money and get a feee Sham Wow or one of those Ronco Slicers. Sadly, it seems those days are gone forever. Now you get some dunce who only got the job because of their race, gender, ability to proudly say there aren't two sexes and is a blatant antisemite. The exchange of value just sadly isn't there anymore.

Posted by: Marcus T at December 08, 2023 04:36 PM (e1mwr)

286 What kind of class could Biden teach?

3rd grade. he's more experienced at it than almost all Americans.

Posted by: x at December 08, 2023 04:36 PM (C3l/P)

287 Do you think they fight over which of them get to be the maiden, the mother, or the crone?

We aren't THOSE kind of witches. Mother? That alone is going to make Molech, sorry Gaia, mad

Posted by: Gretchen Whitmer at December 08, 2023 04:36 PM (XqcwY)

288 Remember the 51 "Former Intelligence Officials" who said the Hunter Biden laptop was Russian disinformation? Turns out they were on the CIA payroll. That's right, they were getting paid with taxpayer money to say what was patently false.

https://tinyurl.com/3u7uyf4a

Posted by: Archimedes at December 08, 2023 04:37 PM (CsUN+)

289 254 BREAKING: Biden DOJ To Prosecute Major UPenn Donor For Extortion. Developing ...
Posted by: ShainS -- CISA Cognitive Security Agent at December 08, 2023 04:31 PM (ub4bN)
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Would sent an interesting precedent, given Biden did the same threat of withholding money from Ukraine if they didn't do a firing of their own.

Posted by: Another Anon at December 08, 2023 04:37 PM (vukoG)

290 It was soon tested by students who chalked anti-leftist messages on campus. Many leftists were offended. They were informed that this is what free speech means and the administration refused to take action against the chalkers.

Posted by: RonF at December 08, 2023 04:33 PM (c+mk0)

Hell...Berkeley, circa 1982. My socialist student housing association had a graffiti wall where everyone would write political shit. One person wrote something stupid about "People's Park." I countered with:

Peoples Park: Nuke It, Pave It, Build A Dorm. (and I signed it)

She actually cried when she saw what I had written, but nobody erased it!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 08, 2023 04:37 PM (sM1IA)

291 Of course, the "anti-LGBTQ" slurs that were posted around M.I.T. turned out to have been posted by LGBTQ folks themselves to protest the new policy. The M.I.T. admin said "Yep, that's allowed, deal with it."

https://tinyurl.com/4j8x3m5t

Posted by: RonF at December 08, 2023 04:37 PM (c+mk0)

292 260 jim (in Kalifornia): "Which is why, by defining some speech as NOT speech they can ban it. 'Oh, that's not speech, it's violence and hate!'"

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel Remembers Babbitt and Perna at December 08, 2023 04:32 PM (aXxgO)

It's why I love GMU's pres, even though he's a lib. At the start of this, he said "hate speech" was allowed and is a 1st amendment right, so learn to live with it. Actual violence was not allowed, and 2 kids have gotten in trouble for that (and getting them in trouble immediately shut down that ever from happening again). With a large Jewish and Islam population on the same campus, I'm amazed it's been handled so well, to include a Menorah lighting ceremony last night that went off without a hitch...

Posted by: Nova Local at December 08, 2023 04:37 PM (exHjb)

293 288 Remember the 51 "Former Intelligence Officials" who said the Hunter Biden laptop was Russian disinformation? Turns out they were on the CIA payroll. That's right, they were getting paid with taxpayer money to say what was patently false.

https://tinyurl.com/3u7uyf4a
Posted by: Archimedes at December 08, 2023 04:37 PM (CsUN+)

========

But the CIA won't do that sort of thing against any other Republican candidate.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, celebrating anarchy and 50s B-movies with Joe Dante at December 08, 2023 04:37 PM (GBKbO)

294 I think I know that the idea of obscene speech was either actually changed by the courts or just dropped in practice as something that gets prosecuted.

Is incitement to violence still against the law? The question was is it harassment but that seems like the wrong question to me.

Posted by: TexasDan at December 08, 2023 04:37 PM (rskRa)

295 I get jury summons like clockwork every 2 years.
It's pretty easy service. You check with the web site the night before and it will tell you if need to actually come in. And that has only happened to me 1 time in a dozen years or so.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at December 08, 2023

***
Civil court in my parish (county to people in the other 49 states) does that. Criminal, though, you have to show up for a minimum number of days. If you aren't selected, you're done. If you are but not chosen for a jury, you go back to the waiting room until they've chosen all the jurors they need for that day.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 08, 2023 04:37 PM (J2vNu)

296 Freedom of Speech simply means that one cannot be thrown in jail for voicing an unpopular opinion.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 08, 2023 04:37 PM (DUw5R)

297 If you have a flat policy of allowing all speech, you do not necessarily endorse any kind of speech -- it's simply your policy to allow all kinds of speech. Your endorsement is not implied.

But if your policy is to routinely censor speech, and only selectively allow speech, then you definitely are endorsing the speech you permit, because you've shown what you do with speech you don't endorse: you censor it, you forbid it. Therefore, in a regime or routine censorship, any permitted speech is officially endorsed speech.

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* Section 230 has entered the post *

Posted by: ShainS -- CISA Cognitive Security Agent at December 08, 2023 04:38 PM (oVv4i)

298 Remember when you used to donate money and get a feee Sham Wow or one of those Ronco Slicers. Sadly, it seems those days are gone forever. Now you get some dunce who only got the job because of their race, gender, ability to proudly say there aren't two sexes and is a blatant antisemite. The exchange of value just sadly isn't there anymore.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 08, 2023 04:36 PM (e1mwr)

Apparently if you are a big donor to a big athletics program you get your choice of cheerleaders.

Posted by: Kindltot at December 08, 2023 04:38 PM (D7oie)

299 President Biden was hired as a Professor of Practice.

He practiced being absent!

Posted by: kallisto, noting Magill actually did say the first thing at December 08, 2023 04:38 PM (bHd6/)

300 Of course, the "anti-LGBTQ" slurs that were posted around M.I.T. turned out to have been posted by LGBTQ folks themselves to protest the new policy. The M.I.T. admin said "Yep, that's allowed, deal with it."

https://tinyurl.com/4j8x3m5t
Posted by: RonF at December 08, 2023 04:37 PM (c+mk0)
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I've always said it: the demand exceeds the supply.

Posted by: Axeman at December 08, 2023 04:38 PM (krQz2)

301 Its sounds like you're endorsing anti semetism because it's "real" Christianity and not weak sauce. I hope that I read that wrong, because if I didn't it's reprehsible.

No, I'm not. What I am saying is that Christians and Jews had a very fractious relationship from the jump and that persisted for many, many centuries. But now that a great deal of Christianity has become diluted over the past couple of centuries (there are whole churches who reject the idea that Jesus died for much of anything, let alone to redeem mankind from sin), there's less reason for animus and there is less animus. If large numbers of supposed Christians don't really think Jesus was the Christ, then there's no reason for them to get exercised over the Jews having rejected Jesus.

And, quite apart from that, even more serious modern Christians are simply in denial about how the "Let his blood be upon us" language was traditionally interpreted. If modern Christians reject that interpretation, fine and well, but it's a largely revisionist take, because Christianity was in fact quite hostile to Jews for a very long time. And you can see that as recently, for example, as Martin Luther.

Posted by: A lot of Christianity is pretty weak sauce these days at December 08, 2023 04:38 PM (pjs7m)

302 You know I'm thinking the IDF may have been influenced by
Nazi Blitzkrieg tactics IE: The 1967 seven day war and other skirmishes since 2000 are examples. Now this assault on Gaza moving briskly to fruition it seems.
Meh Im also thinking the Mossad and a large percentage of
the Israeli populace would support a Blitzkrieg style revolution here in the US,, SUPRISE BITCHES~!~!~!

Posted by: Am a Gettin Tired of this shit! at December 08, 2023 04:38 PM (7cPAc)

303 There's so much corruption here. The "elites" are just absolutely rotten.

The whole rotten upper structure needs to be torn out and rebuilt with fresh untainted wood.

Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace at 03:45 PM

This situation with our elite colleges is reminiscent of what happened to the Pre-Reformation Church when its corruption was known, but nothing could be done about it. The first thing that happened was you had the first monasteries crop up. These places cloistered themselves from the corruption of the greater church. The parallel would be in the recent rise of the homeschool movement.

It's taken about 400 years for Harvard et al to get to this point. With the rise of MOOCs and other viable online alternatives to college, and the rise of major corps not requiring bachelor's degrees, it's only a matter of time that Luther's equivalent in the education sphere rises to create a real exodus from the Ivies - with viable career alternatives away from their influence as well. I wouldn't be surprised if Jewish and Asian parents begin to openly advocate for such an institution.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at December 08, 2023 04:38 PM (uCT+M)

304 Thrilla in Magilla

Posted by: kallisto at December 08, 2023 04:38 PM (bHd6/)

305 President Biden was hired as a Professor of Practice.

He practiced being absent!
Posted by: kallisto, noting Magill actually did say the first thing at December 08, 2023 04:38 PM (bHd6/)
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He gave directions to Carnegie Hall.

Posted by: Axeman at December 08, 2023 04:39 PM (krQz2)

306 The Red Cross refused to transfer medications to a hostage Jew because they had to think of the Palis.

The parents of an Israeli being held hostage by Hamas were reprimanded by representatives of the Red Cross after they tried to ask the Red Cross to transfer prescription medication to their child. The Red Cross told them they needed to "think about the Palestinian side. It's hard for the Palestinians, they're being bombed." The Red Cross did not agree to transfer the medication to the Israeli hostage!

Never, ever come to me for money, you pieces of s***!

https://tinyurl.com/4n4md6ur

Posted by: Archimedes at December 08, 2023 04:39 PM (CsUN+)

307 288 Out of all the outrages of the past several years, that's the one that pisses me off the most. That story ought to redpill anybody and everybody.

Posted by: Apply gp Directly To Forehead at December 08, 2023 04:39 PM (MvF+J)

308 UPenn will fire Magill and dig up Yasser Arafat.

$100 million please.

Posted by: Marcus T at December 08, 2023 04:39 PM (e1mwr)

309 Did Joe teach about driving a truck?

Posted by: Axeman at December 08, 2023 04:39 PM (krQz2)

310 Magil called herself Lil!

Posted by: Rocky Raccoon at December 08, 2023 04:40 PM (7cPAc)

311 Sundowner had a no work contract, eh maybe preached his Leftism no and again but nothing nobody knew

Posted by: Skip at December 08, 2023 04:40 PM (fwDg9)

312 He adds that he'll give UPenn the $100 million... as soon as McGill is fired.

In 2021, this Ivy League school had $27 billion in assets, $5.4 billion in fundraising from their alumni, had $1.1 billion from tuition, and $1.2 billion federal and private research funding.

Where's the money going that they need $100 million?

Posted by: t-bird at December 08, 2023 04:40 PM (HjfVN)

313
Went to Mass for the Holy Day of Obligation this morning at the church up the road. It was a Novus Ordo service, which doesn't do much for me, but the priest, an African, gave a great sermon.

I see more black families at Mass on Sunday, but I've realized with a sinking feeling they're likely all African immigrants.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 08, 2023 04:40 PM (9mNHV)

314 A non-lecturing professor is a good thing.

Posted by: Axeman at December 08, 2023 04:40 PM (krQz2)

315 The entire purpose of university presidents is to bring in donors. The three that testified before Congress forgot that. They thought they were there to suck up to the latest leftist student movement, which they did formidably. (Imagine suggesting there's a proper context for a group to assert genocide.)

Good on the few benefactors who've stood up to say, "Nah, bruh."
Posted by: red speck at December 08, 2023 04:32 PM (0Id0S)
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Yep. Job Numero Uno for a university president is to schmooze for dough to fund pet projects and secure their "legacy."

Serious donors are very aware of that and will steer clear of problematic university presidents that make their schools look bad.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at December 08, 2023 04:40 PM (7fElN)

316 The Red Cross refused to transfer medications to a hostage Jew because they had to think of the Palis.

The parents of an Israeli being held hostage by Hamas were reprimanded by representatives of the Red Cross after they tried to ask the Red Cross to transfer prescription medication to their child. The Red Cross told them they needed to "think about the Palestinian side. It's hard for the Palestinians, they're being bombed." The Red Cross did not agree to transfer the medication to the Israeli hostage!

Never, ever come to me for money, you pieces of s***!

https://tinyurl.com/4n4md6ur
Posted by: Archimedes

Holy crap. Fuck the Red Cross.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 08, 2023 04:41 PM (ous9O)

317 I've served as a juror twice, both times criminal cases. Never too complicated, over in days.
This summons is for civil court which means I'll like get seated because retired, I am now. They like us retired types on lengthy cases. Can't wait to start pulling down that $5 a day...

Posted by: gourmand du jour at December 08, 2023 04:41 PM (MeG8a)

318 >>And you can see that as recently, for example, as Martin Luther.

almost 500 years ago Rumple?

Posted by: DanMan at December 08, 2023 04:41 PM (8uzBS)

319 (Imagine suggesting there's a proper context for a group to assert genocide.)

This is honestly a core belief of leftism. The Bolsheviks discussed the need to kill 10-20% of Russia's population before they took power and hell, Bill Ayers, Barack Obama's mentor made a similiar argument here in America.

Posted by: 18-1 at December 08, 2023 04:42 PM (XqcwY)

320 Hell...Berkeley, circa 1982. My socialist student housing association had a graffiti wall where everyone would write political shit. One person wrote something stupid about "People's Park." I countered with:

Peoples Park: Nuke It, Pave It, Build A Dorm. (and I signed it)

She actually cried when she saw what I had written, but nobody erased it!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 08, 2023 04:37 PM

Ah, for the halcyon days of the annual "How Berkeley Can You Be?" celebration.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 08, 2023 04:42 PM (a3Q+t)

321 Where's the money going that they need $100 million?
Posted by: t-bird at December 08, 2023 04:40 PM (HjfVN)

I'm sure there are ways people get a cut of big grants. Administrating, promotions, something,

Posted by: Oldcat at December 08, 2023 04:42 PM (eoQWY)

322 Former porn star? What does he do now after porn?

Makes money selling movies or performances to Pornhub?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 08, 2023 04:42 PM (RSbhh)

323 She actually cried when she saw what I had written, but nobody erased it!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 08, 2023 04:37 PM (sM1IA)
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An angel got wings too.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at December 08, 2023 04:42 PM (RIvkX)

324 She said he had a "wide range" of duties, which she failed to specify.

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Fetching coffee for some clean and articulate black deans and professors.

Posted by: ShainS -- CISA Cognitive Security Agent at December 08, 2023 04:42 PM (oVv4i)

325 Where's the money going that they need $100 million?

Posted by: t-bird at December 08, 2023 04:40 PM (HjfVN)
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The Endowment must be fed!

Posted by: Axeman at December 08, 2023 04:42 PM (krQz2)

326 Doesn't anyone notice that Magill never answers the question asked during her testimony on Wednesday?
Posted by: dantesed at December 08, 2023 04:00 PM (A5C5H)

Does she call herself Lil, but everyone knows her as Nancy?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 08, 2023 04:42 PM (DUw5R)

327 Jews were expelled from England, too.

And France. By Philip IV.

Posted by: A lot of Christianity is pretty weak sauce these days at December 08, 2023 04:42 PM (pjs7m)

328 Just think of all the shit that will be found out through election day next year. It will be clown world to the fifth power.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at December 08, 2023 04:43 PM (R4t5M)

329 MIT got a 100 million grant from Koch. Harvard got in the millions. They have a foundation that donates money to many Universities . Have they withdrawn any of their funds because the conservatives are marginalized on campuses ?

Posted by: runner at December 08, 2023 04:43 PM (V13WU)

330 "He invited speakers"

Who? Who did he invite? How much were they paid?
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at December

...

Did they even come? Did they leave behind any cocaine?

Posted by: TexasDan at December 08, 2023 04:43 PM (rskRa)

331 This summons is for civil court which means I'll like get seated because retired, I am now. They like us retired types on lengthy cases. Can't wait to start pulling down that $5 a day...

This is one of those things that needs to be changed. Jury salary should be whatever the average salary in the state is. Hell, they aren't even meeting minimum salary they demand by law out of the private sector.

Posted by: 18-1 at December 08, 2023 04:43 PM (XqcwY)

332 >>Holy crap. Fuck the Red Cross.

international red cross ist krunk

Posted by: DanMan at December 08, 2023 04:43 PM (8uzBS)

333 As an actual professor, all I can say is that when the peasants rise up with pitchforks and torches to march on the universities I’ll be right there with them. The corruption is disgusting and endemic, and I’m glad to see it’s being exposed.

Posted by: SomeAsshole at December 08, 2023 04:43 PM (S18qe)

334 She said he had a "wide range" of duties, which she failed to specify.

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I have some idea!

Posted by: Kamala at December 08, 2023 04:43 PM (krQz2)

335 This is honestly a core belief of leftism. The Bolsheviks discussed the need to kill 10-20% of Russia's population before they took power and hell, Bill Ayers, Barack Obama's mentor made a similiar argument here in America.

Explains flooding the border. Got to get us "legacy" Americans down to acceptable numbers for extermination.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at December 08, 2023 04:43 PM (dZVON)

336 After a large and unfavorable reaction by other alumni M.I.T. now has an updated free speech policy based on the Chicago principles.

It's at https://tinyurl.com/4kw5c25d

It was soon tested by students who chalked anti-leftist messages on campus. Many leftists were offended. They were informed that this is what free speech means and the administration refused to take action against the chalkers.

Note the date. You can make all the statements you want, but it's whether on not you live up to them that matters. MIT failed.

Free Expression Statement adopted by the MIT faculty 12/21/22

Posted by: Archimedes at December 08, 2023 04:43 PM (CsUN+)

337 Jews weren't supposed to charge each other interest either.
Posted by: Axeman at December

Isn't it that they had to forgive it all at Jubilee?

Posted by: TexasDan at December 08, 2023 04:44 PM (rskRa)

338 Good on the few benefactors who've stood up to say, "Nah, bruh."

Posted by: red speck at December 08, 2023 04:32 PM (0Id0S)

the guy who got the ball rolling was Jon Huntsman, IIRC, against U Penn. It may have had to do with women's sports though, I can't remember what was at issue.

Posted by: kallisto at December 08, 2023 04:44 PM (bHd6/)

339 286 What kind of class could Biden teach?

3rd grade. he's more experienced at it than almost all Americans.
Posted by: x at December 08, 2023 04:36 PM (C3l/P)

He keeps getting older, they stay the same age

Posted by: Milquetoast Mortgage-Paying Neighbor in Flyover Country at December 08, 2023 04:44 PM (5C4od)

340 In other gossipy news:
Nancy Mace broke up with her bullet headed fiance and is fighting with him over a $4 million house.

Posted by: wth at December 08, 2023 04:44 PM (v0R5T)

341 But it does feel wrong to be demanding that universities crack down on offensive speech.

Still, they already have been outlawing virtually all "offensive" speech. What they're doing here is selectively allowing some favored hate speech.
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You put your finger right on the problem, Ace, as usual.

Culture is the problem. Universities confuse Marxist struggle sessions for education. They are fatally flawed.

Firing the President is just one person of many. The Faculty needs to be canned, in big chunks. Hiring needs to be reformed, so that departments are no longer free to hire more Marxists.

Then we also need to go after high schools.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 08, 2023 04:44 PM (JdhGg)

342 Former porn star? What does he do now after porn? Makes money selling movies or performances to Pornhub?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 08, 2023 04:42 PM (RSbhh)

It seems a shame, doesn't it? Even Wil Wheaton can get paying gigs.

Posted by: Kindltot at December 08, 2023 04:45 PM (D7oie)

343 " If large numbers of supposed Christians don't really think Jesus was the Christ, then there's no reason for them to get exercised over the Jews having rejected Jesus."

Also no reason for Jews to get exercised about those particular "Christians" following a rabbi insane and heretical enough to call himself "The Son of God". Since, obviously, they aren't.

That does neatly explain why Jews assume that conservative Christians hate them, and hate the conservative Christians in return, even though the Conservative Christians don't hate them at all.

Posted by: FeatherBlade at December 08, 2023 04:45 PM (ou9hh)

344 $5 a day and parking? That's $10 a day.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at December 08, 2023 04:45 PM (MeG8a)

345 Reminds me of a certain skinny, jug eared fuck getting to be the Editor of the Harvard Law Review after publishing ZERO academic legal papers.
Posted by: bonhomme at December 08, 2023 04:04 PM (Odg76)

Not "Editor", "President". A do-nothing job.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 08, 2023 04:45 PM (DUw5R)

346 Posted by: A lot of Christianity is pretty weak sauce these days at December 08, 2023 04:38 PM (pjs7m)

Thanks for clarifying. Martin Luther was very anti semetic. he also lived 500 years ago. Are their Christian anti semeties around today? Yes, but probably not nearly as many as are in the Godless left

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 08, 2023 04:45 PM (RSbhh)

347 This is honestly a core belief of leftism. The Bolsheviks discussed the need to kill 10-20% of Russia's population before they took power and hell, Bill Ayers, Barack Obama's mentor made a similiar argument here in America.
Posted by: 18-1 at December 08, 2023 04:42 PM (XqcwY)

Asimov had it as plot points in several stories of his. so it must have been nattered about in literary circles in the East Coast in the 50s.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 08, 2023 04:45 PM (eoQWY)

348
1. Burn.
2. Scatter.
3. Salt.

Posted by: ShainS -- CISA Cognitive Security Agent at December 08, 2023 04:45 PM (oVv4i)

349 Odds of a straight white man getting the job? Lol.

Posted by: Montec at December 08, 2023 04:45 PM (Tll0L)

350
And France. By Philip IV.

Of course the French massacred Protestants during the "Wars of Religion"

And Templars when they "discovered" Templar heresy and just how much the government owed them in loans

and Catholics during the Vendee

and Cathars whatever the hell they actually were during the Cathar inquisition

and...I mean I think there is a pattern here...

Posted by: 18-1 at December 08, 2023 04:45 PM (XqcwY)

351 Starting with Larry Summers, the President of Harvard has become a revolving door.

The current Urkle of the Ivy League will probably cling to the position like grim death, however

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at December 08, 2023 04:46 PM (nnp+f)

352 Honestly, please stop the amateur interpretations, fallacies, historical fraud and the general dearth of knowledge about Christianity. The fundamental tenets haven't changed since the time of our Lord, and therefore being called "Christian" or professing the faith doesn't change that. As I've said many times, you can call yourself whatever you want, but if you do not follow the doctrine you are not a Christian.

Posted by: Marcus T at December 08, 2023 04:46 PM (e1mwr)

353 When one defines what they are against, they also define what they are for.

Posted by: Subby at December 08, 2023 04:47 PM (YbBfI)

354 By the way, Liz Megill succeeded Amy Gutman, who became Joe Biden's ambassador to Germany. As part of Gutman's Senate confirmation process she disclosed that Penn paid her $23 million in her final year as President.

$23 million dollars. For a university fundraiser in chief. Disgusting.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 08, 2023 04:47 PM (JdhGg)

355 1. Burn.
2. Scatter.
3. Salt.
Posted by: ShainS -- CISA Cognitive Security Agent at December 08, 2023 04:45 PM (oVv4i)

Sounds like me trying to make eggs over easy.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Aspiring Codger at December 08, 2023 04:47 PM (T/Lqj)

356 This entire episode (not just the UPenn thing but all the shit post 10/7) made me decide my kids are going to State U for a fraction of the cost of an elite university. If they want to go to Brown or whatever, and get in, cool, but I ain’t paying for it.

Posted by: Montec at December 08, 2023 04:47 PM (Tll0L)

357 1. Burn.
2. Scatter.
3. Salt.
Posted by: ShainS -- CISA Cognitive Security Agent at December 08, 2023 04:45 PM (oVv4i)
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Matches, Wrecking Ball, Salt

Some disassembly required.

Posted by: Kamala at December 08, 2023 04:47 PM (krQz2)

358 This summons is for civil court which means I'll like get seated because retired, I am now. They like us retired types on lengthy cases. Can't wait to start pulling down that $5 a day...

This is one of those things that needs to be changed. Jury salary should be whatever the average salary in the state is. Hell, they aren't even meeting minimum salary they demand by law out of the private sector.
Posted by: 18-1 at December 08, 2023 04:43 PM (XqcwY)

How it works at my job, I have to put in for leave, I get paid my regular pay for the day. The $40 the court would pay me goes to my employer to reimburse them. And it doesn't count against my personal leave.

Posted by: Just Lily at December 08, 2023 04:47 PM (q/T/q)

359 A friend of mine is a retired cop who works at UPenn. He says enrollment is plummeting because of this nonsense.

They should have raked Magill even more brutally because she refused to answer the questions. She obviously don't like Jews, and made that completely clear.

Hamas, tho? Awesome.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at December 08, 2023 04:47 PM (d2bW3)

360
Asimov had it as plot points in several stories of his. so it must have been nattered about in literary circles in the East Coast in the 50s.

Some people remember Asimov had a turn with #metoo...apparently he was rather handsy with female fans...but he was also identified as a possible Soviet spy.

The Soviet files had an asset codenamed "Dr Robot" who was a professor and writer based out of the American northeast ...

Posted by: 18-1 at December 08, 2023 04:48 PM (XqcwY)

361 Remember the 51 "Former Intelligence Officials" who said the Hunter Biden laptop was Russian disinformation? Turns out they were on the CIA payroll. That's right, they were getting paid with taxpayer money to say what was patently false.

https://tinyurl.com/3u7uyf4a

Posted by: Archimedes at December 08, 2023 04:37 PM (CsUN+)

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Unexpectedly.

Posted by: ShainS -- CISA Cognitive Security Agent at December 08, 2023 04:48 PM (oVv4i)

362 Andrew Sullivan just dropped a substack on this very subject just FYI

I actually think Gay is the most likely to be fired and fast. Harvard doesn't play.

Penn will dither and hope it goes away. we SUCK.

AU is a joke everyone knows what that place is

and MIT is a sad little Harvard acolyte now

Posted by: BlackOrchid at December 08, 2023 04:48 PM (AcWfM)

363 I see more black families at Mass on Sunday, but I've realized with a sinking feeling they're likely all African immigrants.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 08, 2023 04:40 PM (9mNHV)

The Catholic Church is seeing its greatest growth in Africa and the Americas. Catholics from Africa tend to be conservative and very devout.

Posted by: kallisto at December 08, 2023 04:48 PM (reY9I)

364 "Thanks for clarifying. Martin Luther was very anti semetic. he also lived 500 years ago."

Christ lived 2000 years ago, and we don't discount Him for that.

Posted by: Apply gp Directly To Forehead at December 08, 2023 04:48 PM (MvF+J)

365 Mothra is Better nood

Posted by: Inogame at December 08, 2023 04:49 PM (53oGX)

366 340 In other gossipy news:
Nancy Mace broke up with her bullet headed fiance and is fighting with him over a $4 million house.
Posted by: wth at December 08, 2023 04:44 PM (v0R5T)

Guess she'll be able to make it on time to the next prayer breakfast huh?

Posted by: Milquetoast Mortgage-Paying Neighbor in Flyover Country at December 08, 2023 04:49 PM (5C4od)

367 nood scaly things

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at December 08, 2023 04:50 PM (krqg6)

368 356 This entire episode (not just the UPenn thing but all the shit post 10/7) made me decide my kids are going to State U for a fraction of the cost of an elite university. If they want to go to Brown or whatever, and get in, cool, but I ain’t paying for it.

Montec this is actually the trend I'm seeing (with three kids now in college) - by the time my youngest was looking he wouldn't consider ANY private colleges, only public (state) colleges. And all his friends (guys at a boys-only prep school) were the same. they went for nice scholarships to state flagships and everybody is pretty happy.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at December 08, 2023 04:50 PM (AcWfM)

369 313
Went to Mass for the Holy Day of Obligation this morning at the church up the road. It was a Novus Ordo service, which doesn't do much for me, but the priest, an African, gave a great sermon.

I see more black families at Mass on Sunday, but I've realized with a sinking feeling they're likely all African immigrants.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December

I would LOVE to see the next pope come from Africa.

Posted by: nurse ratched at December 08, 2023 04:50 PM (Ro3yS)

370
1. Burn.
2. Scatter.
3. Salt.
Posted by: ShainS -- CISA Cognitive Security Agent at December 08, 2023 04:45 PM (oVv4i)

Sounds like me trying to make eggs over easy.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Aspiring Codger at December 08, 2023 04:47 PM (T/Lqj)

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* snort *

Posted by: ShainS -- CISA Cognitive Security Agent at December 08, 2023 04:50 PM (6PR7d)

371 Conservative Christians don't hate them at all.
Posted by: FeatherBlade at December 08, 2023 04:45 PM (ou9hh)

Since it was, I'm guessing a conservatve Christian, Mike Johnson who was probably-at least in large part behind organizing inveestigation of anti Semetism on campuses, I think we can out that idea_all conservative Chistians hate Jews to bed.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 08, 2023 04:50 PM (RSbhh)

372 Penn will dither and hope it goes away. we SUCK.

AU is a joke everyone knows what that place is

and MIT is a sad little Harvard acolyte now
Posted by: BlackOrchid at Decem

...

It's a shame more universities didn't send THEIR presidents to the inquiry.

Posted by: TexasDan at December 08, 2023 04:50 PM (rskRa)

373 Christ lived 2000 years ago, and we don't discount Him for that.
Posted by: Apply gp Directly To Forehead at December 08, 2023 04:48 PM (MvF+J)

Christ wasn't anti semetic.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 08, 2023 04:52 PM (RSbhh)

374 Posted by: wth at December 08, 2023 04:44 PM (v0R5T)

the embodiment of family values!

The fight over the house is just the opening act. Wait til you see the fight over the sex toy stash!

Posted by: kallisto at December 08, 2023 04:53 PM (reY9I)

375 Christ lived 2000 years ago, and we don't discount Him for that.
Posted by: Apply gp Directly To Forehead at December 08, 2023 04:48 PM (MvF+J)

You worship Martin Luther as God in this world and the salvation of mankind?

You Lutherans are whacked.

Posted by: Kindltot at December 08, 2023 04:53 PM (D7oie)

376
I would LOVE to see the next pope come from Africa.
Posted by: nurse ratched

___________

Robert Cardinal Sarah, FTW!

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 08, 2023 04:53 PM (9mNHV)

377 373 Fen, I'm not advocating hating anyone, just pointing out that the "that's old, therefore lame" argument doesn't work here.

Posted by: Apply gp Directly To Forehead at December 08, 2023 04:54 PM (MvF+J)

378 In days gone by, I would agree with you that "it does feel wrong to be demanding that universities crack down on offensive speech." But now?

Fuck 'em.

Posted by: Jim Rose at December 08, 2023 04:54 PM (miqrx)

379 The Soviet files had an asset codenamed "Dr Robot" who was a professor and writer based out of the American northeast ...
Posted by: 18-1 at December 08, 2023 04:48 PM (XqcwY)

Pretty dumb code naming on their part, and not sure what spying Ikey did staying at home writing like a maniac aside from the odd SF convention.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 08, 2023 04:54 PM (eoQWY)

380 Posted by: BlackOrchid at December 08, 2023 04:50 PM (AcWfM)
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Three in college simultaneously?! Can you guys still afford to eat? Mucho respect to your 529 plans.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 08, 2023 04:54 PM (JdhGg)

381
Nood flicks

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 08, 2023 04:55 PM (9mNHV)

382 ELECTION 2020
Colleges Rescind Honorary Degrees Awarded To Trump, Giuliani Following Capitol Riot
Jack Brewster, Former Staff, january 14, 2021
I write about national politics for Forbes, with a focus on Trump.

In part, University of Pennsylvania alumni are pressuring the school to strip Trump of his bachelor's degree, which the president earned in 1968, by threatening to withhold donations, though it’s much more difficult for a college to revoke an earned degree.

Posted by: L - They don't have to outrun the bear, they only need to outrun us - for now at December 08, 2023 04:55 PM (GshMh)

383 The Soviet files had an asset codenamed "Dr Robot" who was a professor and writer based out of the American northeast ...
Posted by: 18-1 at December 08, 2023 04:48 PM (XqcwY)

I consider it over with extreme difficulty.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 08, 2023 04:56 PM (eoQWY)

384 "You worship Martin Luther as God in this world and the salvation of mankind?"

Answer is no. Can you explain the chain of reasoning that led you to that question? I'm merely pointing out that the "that's old, therefore lame" argument does not apply well in this discussion.

Posted by: Apply gp Directly To Forehead at December 08, 2023 04:56 PM (MvF+J)

385 Three in college simultaneously?! Can you guys still afford to eat? Mucho respect to your 529 plans.

yes THANK GOD WE DID THE 529s!!!

and the one that's about to graduate did really well with internships and made $$$ even while taking classes. the beauty of the Applied Math major.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at December 08, 2023 04:57 PM (AcWfM)

386 If they fire her he needs to hold the money until he can see her replacement.

Posted by: SamIam at December 08, 2023 04:58 PM (oasF3)

387 Honestly, please stop the amateur interpretations, fallacies, historical fraud and the general dearth of knowledge about Christianity. The fundamental tenets haven't changed since the time of our Lord, and therefore being called "Christian" or professing the faith doesn't change that. As I've said many times, you can call yourself whatever you want, but if you do not follow the doctrine you are not a Christian.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 08, 2023 04:46 PM (e1mwr)

I have to disagree. Christianity was a freedom-of-faith and ideas prior to the Nicene counsel. All Christiandom (even Protestant) is based on a early Catholic model.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at December 08, 2023 04:59 PM (BdMk6)

388 376
I would LOVE to see the next pope come from Africa.
Posted by: nurse ratched

___________

Robert Cardinal Sarah, FTW!
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December

*fist bump*

Posted by: nurse ratched at December 08, 2023 05:00 PM (rFHiR)

389 There's so much corruption here. The "elites" are just absolutely rotten.

There is nothing 'elite' about these people. They're just common folk with money and privilege brought about by money. They're the epitome of entitlement. They should be scorned and ignored as the fools they really are.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 08, 2023 05:00 PM (YRsIm)

390 Look, I'm not even trying to be controversial here. You realize that the Catholic Church, for example, did not formally repudiate the traditional collective-Jewish-guilt interpretation of "Let his blood be upon us" until the Second Vatican Council in the 1960s, right? It addressed the issue because it lingered even then. The idea that Christianity hasn't traditionally/historically had an anti-Jewish slant is just rank nonsense. You don't have to be anti-Christian or anything else to recognize that Christianity's view of the Jews has evolved greatly, especially in modern times.

Posted by: A lot of Christianity is pretty weak sauce these days at December 08, 2023 05:04 PM (pjs7m)

391 "The whole rotten upper structure needs to be torn out and rebuilt with fresh untainted wood."

While the notion of fresh untainted wood makes my nethers quiver, I wonder if the problem is the upper structure itself, and the devilment it's empowered to do.

Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at December 08, 2023 05:05 PM (Mzdiz)

392 Cardinal Sarah would be a great Pope!

Posted by: Just Lily at December 08, 2023 05:07 PM (q/T/q)

393 I would LOVE to see the next pope come from Africa.
Posted by: nurse ratched

I'm still tickled by Cardinal Sin from Manila.

Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at December 08, 2023 05:08 PM (Mzdiz)

394 390 I think you've got it right.

Posted by: Apply gp Directly To Forehead at December 08, 2023 05:09 PM (MvF+J)

395 Posted by: A lot of Christianity is pretty weak sauce these days at December 08, 2023 05:04 PM (pjs7m)

I understand that. My point was-as you said, Christianity has evolved quite a bit-and I think there's a lot more anti semetism NOW from the left than from the right.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 08, 2023 05:18 PM (RSbhh)

396 Where were these guys when conservatives were being targeted?

Posted by: butch at December 08, 2023 05:19 PM (LBq1e)

397 Also, ace, if you are screaming "kill the Jews" in front of a Jewish student's face or chasing a group of them to seek a safe place, isn't that assault?

Posted by: PJ at December 08, 2023 05:21 PM (G1dq6)

398 >>> Also, ace, if you are screaming "kill the Jews" in front of a Jewish student's face or chasing a group of them to seek a safe place, isn't that assault?

yes in that case. that's what the three presidents are saying would be the "context" that would make it against the rules. they're saying that if you call for intifada NOT in the face of a particular person, not intending any particular person to be afraid, it's okay.

which would be an okay standard... but they won't let Riley Gaines go on campus to say that women shouldn't have to compete against men in swimming because that's too 'threatening" and "harmful" for transgenders to hear.

Posted by: ace talking tough about vitamins at December 08, 2023 05:28 PM (KRtlO)

399 Right, it's a double standard. At least double.

Posted by: PJ at December 08, 2023 05:31 PM (G1dq6)

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