THE MORNING RANT: In Response to Democrats’ Success with Abortion Initiatives, the GOP Needs to Drive Turnout by Using Ballot Initiatives that Favor Conservatives

Did you hear about the referendum last week in the red state of Ohio to enshrine abortion rights in its state Constitution? It passed resoundingly, 57% to 43%. (“Abortion rights advocates win major victories in Ohio, Kentucky, Virginia” – Washington Post)

Well, what about the results of the referendum to ban child gender transitions? Oh wait, there wasn’t one.

What about the referendum to ban sanctuary cities? Nope, that wasn’t on the ballot anywhere either.

Conservatives have got to start using ballot initiatives on issues such as these to drive our turnout and put the left on defense. This tweet from Patrick Ruffini is spot on.

Ruffini - Use Ballot Initiatives to Drive Turnout.JPG

While we on the right celebrated the Supreme Court’s Dobbs decision, which finally overturned Roe vs Wade, we also understood that the abortion debate was being shifted back to the states, and there would be some political consequences as it gets hashed out. Like it or don’t, a majority of Americans are in the middle on the abortion debate, supporting neither a total ban on abortions nor supporting abortion for late term pregnancies. A bell curve would tend to place the median point beyond which there is majority support for banning abortions to be about three months. Hearts, minds, and behaviors will have to change to move it closer to zero months. Beyond that I’ll leave the abortion debate to others, but the reality is that a majority of Americans do not want to see a total abolition of abortions, and putting “protection” of abortion on the ballot will propel Democrat turnout, and also put at risk the votes of conservatives who support some level of legalized abortion.

Even in deep-red Kansas, voters approved a statewide referendum to keep abortion legal after Roe vs Wade was overturned. “Kansas Votes to Protect Abortion Rights in State Constitution”

Guess what, when a product is successful, you see a lot more of it, so Democrats plan to roll out a whole lot more abortion initiatives. Kamala Harris’ husband, Doug Emhoff, has been quoted as saying the Democrats’ path to victory in 2024 is “Dobbs and Democracy.”

“Democrats' new abortion battle plan: Rush to get it on ballots in 2024” [Axios – 11/09/2023]

After Ohio's vote Tuesday to protect abortion rights, Democrats are rushing to get similar measures on the ballot next year in key states such as Arizona, Nevada and Florida — partly to boost President Biden and down-ballot Democrats.

With the economy, border, and foreign affairs in disarray, Democrats have virtually nothing else to campaign on except abortion, so of course they are pushing it. Arizona and Nevada are winnable states for the GOP. The Democrats aim to get abortion initiatives on the ballot in those states.

Why it matters: In the face of bleak polling on the economy, abortion continues to be a winning issue for Democrats — one that could motivate otherwise uninspired voters to turn out and keep the White House in the party's hands.
Voters now have explicitly endorsed abortion rights via ballot initiatives in seven states since the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade last year — in California, Kansas, Kentucky, Michigan, Montana, Vermont and now Ohio.
The wins are boosting confidence among Democrats that similar ballot measures — and candidates who cast the high court's Dobbs ruling as a government assault on individual rights — can help the party ride the backlash in the 2024 elections.

What popular initiatives that favor conservatives will the GOP be getting on ballots to drive turnout?

The otherwise red state of Kentucky re-elected Democrat Andy Beshear last week in an election which was very much about abortion. Per Decision Desk HQ, 79% of Biden’s 2020 voters turned out for the November 2023 election, whereas only 53% of Trump voters did the same.

If voters were being asked to approve a Constitutional ban on child gender transitions would more of them have shown up at the polls?

Of course, it’s not just a matter of driving turnout, it’s also about making Democrats defend the indefensible. Republicans cannot expect to win by playing defense on abortion while never making Democrats play defense on the toxic social issues that they support.

Regarding the Initiative & Referendum process, in which citizens vote directly to create laws, conservatives have generally been opposed to it, in part because there have been plenty of bad laws passed in that fashion, but also out of an old-fashioned respect for traditional legislative lawmaking through elected representatives.

The responses in opposition to Patrick Ruffini’s call for conservatives to embrace ballot initiatives revealed some residual, principled “conservatarianism” that simply opposes the concept of making new laws. It was conservative boilerplate back in the 1980s and ‘90s that it was a wonderful thing when lawmaking bodies such as Congress or the state legislature were not in session, because the assumption was that any new laws they passed would impinge on freedom, thus an absent legislative body was a good thing because no new laws could be passed.

In other words, conservatives were still trying to conserve the status quo and maintain the old order by not passing new laws.

But the old order has been broken. We need new laws to repair, replace, and rebuild that which is broken.

In a sane society, there wouldn’t be the need for a referendum to prohibit blue jurisdictions from releasing hardened criminals without bail. In a sane society we wouldn’t need to get laws passed to protect the medical establishment (and Munchausen mommies) from sterilizing and mutilating children. But that is not the society we live in right now.

Political inaction might once have been an appropriate prescription for conservatives to protect the old order. But the old order is long gone and there is little of it left to “conserve.” Maybe we should stop referring to ourselves as conservatives and start considering ourselves restorationists.

Using the Initiative and Referendum process to push back against the most toxic issues being advanced by the left is a winning way to drive conservative turnout, to put the left on defense, and above all else, to advance our agenda.

[buck.throckmorton at protonmail dot com]

Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at 11:00 AM

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1 I don't live in OH anymore, praise the Lord. Did they word this in a way that voters didn't know what they were voting on? Happened a couple times when we lived there.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at November 13, 2023 11:02 AM (2NHgQ)

2 Excuse OT so early: OSINTdefender @sentdefender 35m
5 Soldiers of the 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment also known as the “Night Stalkers” were Killed on Friday in a Helicopter Accident involving their UH-60L Black Hawk which Crashed while Refueling during a Routine-Training Mission in the Eastern Mediterranean; the Helicopter reportedly Crashed to the Southeast of Cyprus and despite Rescue Operations by Aircraft and Ships of the U.S. Navy, No Survivors were Discovered.

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at November 13, 2023 11:02 AM (krqg6)

3 OSINTdefender @sentdefender 35m
The Soldiers Killed in the Crash included:
- Chief Warrant Officer 3 Stephen R. Dwyer, 38, of Clarksville, Tennessee
-Chief Warrant Officer 2 Shane M. Barnes, 34, of Sacramento, California.
-Staff Sergeant Tanner W. Grone, 26, of Gorham, New Hampshire.
-Sergeant Andrew P. Southard, 27, of Apache Junction, Arizona.
-Sergeant Cade M. Wolfe, 24, of Mankato, Minnesota.

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at November 13, 2023 11:03 AM (krqg6)

4 Did you hear about the referendum last week in the red state of Ohio to enshrine abortion rights in its state Constitution? It passed resoundingly, 57% to 43%. (“Abortion rights advocates win major victories in Ohio, Kentucky, Virginia” – Washington Post)
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What does the Ohio Constitution require for amendment? Simple majority or 2/3rds?

Posted by: Puddinhead at November 13, 2023 11:03 AM (iDpzk)

5 Baby killing is the. Marxists best argument

Posted by: Skip at November 13, 2023 11:04 AM (fwDg9)

6 With the economy, border, and foreign affairs in disarray, Democrats have virtually nothing else to campaign on except abortion, so of course they are pushing it. Arizona and Nevada are winnable states for the GOP. ...Political inaction might once have been an appropriate prescription for conservatives to protect the old order. But the old order is long gone and there is little of it left to “conserve.”

As long as Ronna McDaniel is in charge, nothing will change. See the column today by Kurt Schlichter.

https://tinyurl.com/6zv3m3fp

And yes, Trump endorsed her in 2016, and has yet to retract that endorsement. A tepid "I'm neutral" stance on his part in 2021 is NOT a retraction.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 13, 2023 11:05 AM (I/Qkd)

7 Leftists never up, never give in. GOP, not so much.

Posted by: Big Al "Meatball Mauler" Bambino at November 13, 2023 11:05 AM (DZwT/)

8 What popular initiatives that favor conservatives will the GOP be getting on ballots to drive turnout?
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None. The GOP hates its base and doesn't want anything its voters want. The party will, at best, do *nothing* to advance anything approaching a reform agenda. At worst - and more likely - it will work against anyone trying to do the same.

Candidates will be "moderate" Uniparty types. Ballot initiatives - if any - will be "moderate" soft-prog issues and positions. If a popular, non-Party initiative gets traction, the GOP folks on the committees will block it. You can be sure they'll do aggressive signature verification and disqualify whole tranches of petitioners with no recourse.

The GOP does not win on any terms other than the current status quo. Barring that, the GOP would rather lose. They do not want to cater to some notion from the rubes that they ought to achieve something.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 13, 2023 11:06 AM (d04cU)

9 All conservative ballot initiatives will have to come from the grassroots, the GOPe will never willingly promote a conservative initiative.

Posted by: Archer at November 13, 2023 11:06 AM (gmo/4)

10 Just saw this at a new site. Photos of the five dead servicemen.

https://tinyurl.com/292entcr

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at November 13, 2023 11:06 AM (krqg6)

11 What is needed is a referendum on banning the democrat party.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 13, 2023 11:06 AM (R/m4+)

12 Of course, it’s not just a matter of driving turnout, it’s also about making Democrats defend the indefensible. Republicans cannot expect to win by playing defense on abortion while never making Democrats play defense on the toxic social issues that they support.
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Republicans do not expect to win. They expect to lose with dignity.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 13, 2023 11:06 AM (d04cU)

13 I didn’t see ant change in Democrat turnout numbers. I did see a reduction in Republican turnout.

Posted by: Drive by at November 13, 2023 11:07 AM (MNhXM)

14 All conservative ballot initiatives will have to come from the grassroots, the GOPe will never willingly promote a conservative initiative.

Action from the RNC would require that Ronna McDaniel skip a few luxury spa days, paid by you, so it won't happen.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 13, 2023 11:07 AM (I/Qkd)

15 Did the GOP run any ads opposing the baby-killing amendment? Did any of its candidates in Ohio make opposition to it part of their campaign?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 13, 2023 11:07 AM (JrojV)

16

Every dead baby is a sacrifice to Stan.

Posted by: Gimlet at November 13, 2023 11:07 AM (H2Auj)

17 With Dobbs sending the matter back to the states where it belongs, I figured blue states would move to codify roe. I must say I was surprised at Ohio.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at November 13, 2023 11:08 AM (u73oe)

18 Two ways to look at this - 1. Dems/Crazies killing their own or 2 - innocents being killed to alleviate the guilty of their sins. This works with fagz as well.

Posted by: Puddinhead at November 13, 2023 11:08 AM (iDpzk)

19 Political inaction might once have been an appropriate prescription for conservatives to protect the old order. But the old order is long gone and there is little of it left to “conserve.” Maybe we should stop referring to ourselves as conservatives and start considering ourselves restorationists.
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Ah, except that it isn't about preserving or protecting the "old order" and it never has been. It's about preserving or protecting the *current* order, whatever it is. The GOP - and some conservatives more widely, but certainly the Party in total - uses relative positioning as its "north star." Whatever it is, today, is what they try to "conserve." It isn't about restoration or reform, it's about status quo at all costs.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 13, 2023 11:08 AM (d04cU)

20 I don't imagine that a SS agent assigned to the grand daughter of the president graduated at the top of xis SS class.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy MAGA Extremist at November 13, 2023 11:09 AM (R8uWY)

21 The GOP does not win ~~on any terms other than the current status quo.~~ Barring that, the GOP would rather lose. They do not want to cater to some notion from the rubes that they ought to achieve something.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 13, 2023 11:06 AM (d04cU)

FTFY

Posted by: SturmToddler at November 13, 2023 11:09 AM (KZaqS)

22 13 I didn’t see ant change in Democrat turnout numbers. I did see a reduction in Republican turnout.

Posted by: Drive by at November 13, 2023 11:07 AM (MNhXM)

Dems are willing to die on just about any hill they think may garner them some votes.

Reps are willing to die on just about any hill that dems are. They don't care about garnering votes.

Rep voters have noticed.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at November 13, 2023 11:09 AM (KbCG3)

23 Do wonder if that argument they say is their winner is cover for vote fraud

Posted by: Skip at November 13, 2023 11:10 AM (fwDg9)

24 "...Maybe we should stop referring to ourselves as conservatives and start considering ourselves restorationists."

I like this idea. It makes us the activists we need to be, rather than the do-nothing conservatives that continually get rolled by 'progressivism'.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at November 13, 2023 11:10 AM (venpK)

25 Doesn’t help that Trump criticized DeSantis for signing their bill abortion restricting bill.

Posted by: Drive by at November 13, 2023 11:10 AM (MNhXM)

26 FTFY
Posted by: SturmToddler at November 13, 2023 11:09 AM (KZaqS)
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Nah, they want win a little bit. Only way to keep the grift going.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 13, 2023 11:10 AM (d04cU)

27 Per Decision Desk HQ, 79% of Biden’s 2020 voters turned out for the November 2023 election, whereas only 53% of Trump voters did the same.

I think popular referendums would definitely help bring some of the otherwise unengaged Trump supporters to the voting booth. That's a failure of the Republican Party to motivate those voters, I think, although I can see many Republican leaders and analysts (even Ace, I'm afraid) getting it backwards and blaming Trump and his supporters for not turning out.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at November 13, 2023 11:11 AM (JCZqz)

28
A bell curve would tend to place the median point beyond which there is majority support for banning abortions to be about three months.

Yup, three months = 12 weeks. The Soviet Union/Russia were among the first to legalize abortion, then de-legalized it, then legalized it again.

Their time frame after 100 years of experience? 12 weeks.

I still can not believe in this age that it is around or used as a form of birth control.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at November 13, 2023 11:11 AM (enJYY)

29 "a winning way to drive conservative turnout, to put the left on defense, and above all else, to advance our agenda."

Maybe we can vote our way out of this!

Posted by: gp Decays To Plage at November 13, 2023 11:11 AM (MvF+J)

30 Did the GOP run any ads opposing the baby-killing amendment? Did any of its candidates in Ohio make opposition to it part of their campaign?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 13, 2023 11:07 AM (JrojV)

if they did like in VA, there was one ad, run about 3 times a day, in an attempt to counter the dem's 50-60% of every ad FOR killing babies.

Posted by: SturmToddler at November 13, 2023 11:11 AM (KZaqS)

31 If killing babies is so damn important so be it.

Posted by: DOYLE at November 13, 2023 11:11 AM (Z8Yh2)

32
Conservatives get ballot initiative passed.

Progs run to tame-tabby judge and get it enjoined or struck down.

(e.g. Proposition

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 13, 2023 11:12 AM (MoZTd)

33 24 "...Maybe we should stop referring to ourselves as conservatives and start considering ourselves restorationists."
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If you want to start we need to dig up John Brown and nail his skull to the Supreme Court's wall.

Posted by: Puddinhead at November 13, 2023 11:12 AM (iDpzk)

34
Proposition 8

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 13, 2023 11:12 AM (MoZTd)

35 the reality is that a majority of Americans do not want to see a total abolition of abortions
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That's a pretty good argument for "Let it burn."

Posted by: Methos at November 13, 2023 11:12 AM (Dnobf)

36
The initiative idea is great strategy.

People don't have to wait for their elected representatives to keep their promises. They can act directly.

Every state that has ballots initiatives should have, at least, ten straight up conservative initiatives ready to go on election day. There are several conservative positions popular with the public.

Will it happen?

We'll see.

Posted by: naturalfake at November 13, 2023 11:13 AM (QzZeQ)

37 unengaged Trump supporters to the voting booth. That's a failure of the Republican Party to motivate those voters,

they don't want them motivated -- they don't want them period

uniparty gonna uniparty

Posted by: brak at November 13, 2023 11:13 AM (25k9m)

38 EVERY ad in PA was pro-killing babies.

Posted by: XTC at November 13, 2023 11:13 AM (UnA8+)

39 while never making Democrats play defense on the toxic social issues that they support

You won't see this because Republicans are for everything the Democrats are on social issues. Social conservatives are despised by the party. There'd have to be a grassroots effort, which is hard work and expensive. Any effort will be outspent. By a lot.

Posted by: The GOP doesn't fight these fights because it's on the other side. at November 13, 2023 11:13 AM (KFhLj)

40 FTFY
Posted by: SturmToddler at November 13, 2023 11:09 AM (KZaqS)
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Nah, they want win a little bit. Only way to keep the grift going.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 13, 2023 11:10 AM (d04cU)

I can see that i suppose

but only the RIGHT people can win...

Posted by: SturmToddler at November 13, 2023 11:14 AM (KZaqS)

41 EVERY ad in PA was pro-killing babies.
Posted by: XTC at November 13, 2023 11:13 AM (UnA8+)

Yep. It didn't matter what office it was for.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at November 13, 2023 11:14 AM (R4t5M)

42 I know it’s reality but If you , a conservative leaning person need to be motivated to vote against Democrat politicians that want to destroy you than you might not be smart enough to breathe .

Posted by: Drive by at November 13, 2023 11:14 AM (MNhXM)

43 "If voters were being asked to approve a Constitutional ban on child gender transitions would more of them have shown up at the polls?"

This. It might be the one thing to get people like me to vote again, too.

The bottom line, though, is that the Republican Party, which pretends to be right of center, actually has no problem with the genital mutilation of children or sanctuary cities, either. It might promote tax referendums and measures to engage in forever wars, though, and no one wants those.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at November 13, 2023 11:14 AM (KSNKu)

44 40 I can see that i suppose

but only the RIGHT people can win...
Posted by: SturmToddler at November 13, 2023 11:14 AM (KZaqS)

By which you mean only the LEFT people can win.

Posted by: XTC at November 13, 2023 11:14 AM (UnA8+)

45 One of the problems with ballot initiatives is that even if conservatives can win one, a leftist judge will just come along and say, "Nope. You can't do that."

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at November 13, 2023 11:15 AM (YIVH2)

46 An obvious problem with the idea - only 26 states allow some form of inititiatve or referendum to appear on a ballot, mostly in the West and some in the midwest.

https://ballotpedia.org/States_with_initiative_or_referendum

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 13, 2023 11:15 AM (i9ffA)

47 If Joe Biden isn't enough to get republicans to the polls....

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy MAGA Extremist at November 13, 2023 11:16 AM (R8uWY)

48 42 I know it’s reality but If you , a conservative leaning person need to be motivated to vote against Democrat politicians that want to destroy you than you might not be smart enough to breathe .
Posted by: Drive by at November 13, 2023 11:14 AM (MNhXM)

Honest question, at what point are you just tired of being asked to act like a fool? Not you personally, but conservative voters.

A dem tells you how they will destroy you, a rep tells you how they'll save one, but you know one of them is lying. At some point, settling for the lie becomes a bigger issue.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at November 13, 2023 11:16 AM (KbCG3)

49 I was wondering if gun rights would be a good referendum item...there are many fairly apolitical voters that strongly support gun rights, but the general public is fairly anti-gun, and the Left is rabidly so. Would it be dangerous to have a 2nd amendment-style referendum guaranteeing gun rights at a State level, or would it be counter-productive?

Lefties are coming out regardless, especially with abortion nonsense, and if the referendum is broad enough (just enshrine right to own/possess guns), the general public won't care much. The measure may fail, but it would mobilize many casual R voters.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at November 13, 2023 11:17 AM (3cqj1)

50 41 EVERY ad in PA was pro-killing babies.
Posted by: XTC at November 13, 2023 11:13 AM (UnA8+)

Yep. It didn't matter what office it was for.
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A fish rots from the head down. See Senator Fetterman for the details.

Posted by: Puddinhead at November 13, 2023 11:17 AM (iDpzk)

51 Kill babies, kill the Jews, Trump is a Nazi.
If you can't compete with that messaging, you don't deserve to win.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy MAGA Extremist at November 13, 2023 11:17 AM (R8uWY)

52 And now, a warning from Psuki Psaki . . .

Inside with Jen Psaki
@InsideWithPsaki
.@jrpsaki: "Donald Trump would prosecute anyone he deems an enemy, unleash troops on protestors, and essentially unravel the rule of law as we know it... But sure, Joe Biden is three years older and occasionally trips."

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter Here at November 13, 2023 11:17 AM (FVME7)

53 Yep. It didn't matter what office it was for.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at November 13, 2023 11:14 AM (R4t5M)

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Vote for Karen McAwfl for deputy assistant county zoning commissioner. She’ll fight for your right to choose!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at November 13, 2023 11:17 AM (u73oe)

54 I'm thankful there are no referendums in Indiana.

Posted by: Black JEM at November 13, 2023 11:18 AM (GZYu7)

55 Nice to know Psaki's campaigning for Trump.

Posted by: American Hawkman at November 13, 2023 11:18 AM (skAOD)

56 EVERY ad in PA was pro-killing babies.

The MFM in OH was all over Issue 1, 24x7. If you opposed it, you were "literally Hitler".

Posted by: Notorious BFD at November 13, 2023 11:18 AM (V8he0)

57 This was a thing in the 2000s with SSM bans.

Posted by: Montec at November 13, 2023 11:19 AM (3yWeD)

58 This is a no brainer, but right now, we have no leader.

Trump just cares about one thing, Trump. So we can’t rely on his team to lift a finger on any of this. Trump’s RNC chairman Ronna McDaniel is also a complete joke and just keeps losing.

But also, we have to stop pretending there’s some secret pro life majority. Even in the red states, abortion is politically popular. And yes, it’s sickening , but women aren’t doing a 180 on this anytime soon.

Posted by: Equate at November 13, 2023 11:19 AM (PDIUS)

59 Ah, except that it isn't about preserving or protecting the "old order" and it never has been. It's about preserving or protecting the *current* order, whatever it is. The GOP - and some conservatives more widely, but certainly the Party in total - uses relative positioning as its "north star." Whatever it is, today, is what they try to "conserve." It isn't about restoration or reform, it's about status quo at all costs.
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Conservatism, whatever it *should be*, is largely the cowardly belief that any change will make things worse.

Posted by: Methos at November 13, 2023 11:19 AM (Dnobf)

60
Honest question, at what point are you just tired of being asked to act like a fool? Not you personally, but conservative voters.

A dem tells you how they will destroy you, a rep tells you how they'll save one, but you know one of them is lying. At some point, settling for the lie becomes a bigger issue.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at November 13, 2023 11:16 AM (KbCG3)

I know it’s the Dems that allow sanctuary cities, gun control, hatred of God, unlimited abortion , destruction of the fossil fuel industry, transitioning kids, dismantling the military , reparations, race agitators, etc etc.

You will never not motivate me to vote against them.

Posted by: Drive by at November 13, 2023 11:20 AM (MNhXM)

61 Your platform is killing babies and democracy.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at November 13, 2023 11:20 AM (rJ7Hd)

62 Not all states allow ballot initiatives.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 13, 2023 11:20 AM (63Dwl)

63 The time has passed, to stand athwart history with a wide stance.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at November 13, 2023 11:20 AM (44ww/)

64 Vote for Karen McAwfl for deputy assistant county zoning commissioner. She’ll fight for your right to choose!
Posted by: Duke Lowell

Mike Hunt, township tax collector, keep his hands off your uterus.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at November 13, 2023 11:20 AM (R4t5M)

65 The new lexicon . . .

https://tinyurl.com/yr4s5prn

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter Here at November 13, 2023 11:20 AM (FVME7)

66 53 Vote for Karen McAwfl for deputy assistant county zoning commissioner. She’ll fight for your right to choose!
Posted by: Duke Lowell at November 13, 2023 11:17 AM (u73oe)

They weren't even using euphemisms like "Right to Choose" or "Women's Healthcare" anymore. They were flat out just shouting "SAVE ABORTION!"

Posted by: XTC at November 13, 2023 11:20 AM (UnA8+)

67 A bell curve would tend to place the median point beyond which there is majority support for banning abortions to be about three months.

Yup, three months = 12 weeks. The Soviet Union/Russia were among the first to legalize abortion, then de-legalized it, then legalized it again.

Their time frame after 100 years of experience? 12 weeks.

I still can not believe in this age that it is around or used as a form of birth control.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at November 13, 2023 11:11 AM (enJYY)
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Yep - and the wins for abortion advocates in some of the blue states will end up creating a problem for them. Third trimester abortion support is lower than total bans on abortions. Michigan has started a time bomb.

Posted by: Black JEM at November 13, 2023 11:20 AM (GZYu7)

68 42 I know it’s reality but If you , a conservative leaning person need to be motivated to vote against Democrat politicians that want to destroy you than you might not be smart enough to breathe .
Posted by: Drive by at November 13, 2023 11:14 AM

As Yoda said "And this, is why you fail". Dems prefer voters too dumb to make decisions on their own. Smart person vote counts the same as a dumb person's. Important thing is just getting those votes, by whatever means necessary. Hell, Dems don't even care if the "voters" are breathing...

Posted by: Moron Analyst at November 13, 2023 11:21 AM (3cqj1)

69 When it comes to abortion AOS is in a bigly big bubble. As Buck accurately stated, the median voter is somewhere in the middle. Accusing that median voter of “wanting to kill babies” is not a winning strategy.

Posted by: Montec at November 13, 2023 11:21 AM (3yWeD)

70 I wonder how many people are anti abortion for themselves and their loved ones, but feel the government has no business restricting what they believe is family planning? That bans on abortion are one more governmental boot on the public’s neck, a place the government doesn’t belong?

Posted by: Jen the original at November 13, 2023 11:22 AM (em6YP)

71 But also, we have to stop pretending there’s some secret pro life majority. Even in the red states, abortion is politically popular. And yes, it’s sickening , but women aren’t doing a 180 on this anytime soon.
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Very easy to derail. Just publish some science that notes that women who have abortions live shorter lives and die miserably. That should get them thinking a bit. A couple of surveys that note women who have abortions are really skanky would be persuasive, as well.

Posted by: Puddinhead at November 13, 2023 11:22 AM (iDpzk)

72 in Kali, we do use the ballot initiative system. And the Gov't vets conservative initiatives with a microscope to invalidate signatures, and if enough signatures survive that process, mis-label and mis-describe the initiative as negatively as possible to turn off voters. Then the Left's allies across the country start a media campaign demonizing it. And even with all that, if it passes, some liberal judge will overturn it as "unconstitutional" on some penunbra of the foreskin of some supposed "right".

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 13, 2023 11:22 AM (ynpvh)

73 LOL:
https://tinyurl.com/3pbx8ywd
Afshine Emrani MD FACC @afshineemrani Nov 11 Replying to @BillAckman @POTUS
He will not finish his term.

Next year we will have chaos.

Newsom is waiting to step in last minute.

In the end Trump will win.

Please remind me of this.

Jay in Kyiv @JayinKyiv Nov 11 Replying to @BillAckman @POTUS
Ackman is the guy that just 2 months ago was promoting Ramaswamy.

Look Bill, you're good at borrowing money at one rate and investing it at another.

Stick with that.

Day Trader POS @daytrader190 Nov 11 Replying to @BillAckman @POTUS
A straight up clown show… you voted for him, why complaining now?

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at November 13, 2023 11:22 AM (krqg6)

74 10 notice all white guys, not conspiracy just noting who is volunteering

Posted by: Skip at November 13, 2023 11:22 AM (Oo5lG)

75 If all the Biden voters came out in KY, how did republicans win all the other races?

Posted by: Inogame at November 13, 2023 11:22 AM (53oGX)

76 hiya

Posted by: JT at November 13, 2023 11:23 AM (T4tVD)

77 Texas just had several constitutional amendments on the ballot - none should be considered conservative.

Posted by: SH (no more socks) at November 13, 2023 11:23 AM (sX1BW)

78 "Why I am a Restorationist"

(Which was apparently also a religious movement, having nothing to do with modern civic issues.)

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at November 13, 2023 11:23 AM (zjgNU)

79 wonder how many people are anti abortion for themselves and their loved ones, but feel the government has no business restricting what they believe is family planning? That bans on abortion are one more governmental boot on the public’s neck, a place the government doesn’t belong?
Posted by: Jen the original at November 13, 2023 11:22 AM (em6YP)

Most believe it is murder. You do the government math from there.

Posted by: Drive by at November 13, 2023 11:23 AM (MNhXM)

80 in PA we limited the Governor's emergency powers with a ballot resolution. this was in the wake of the b.s. plandemic restrictions

Posted by: kallisto at November 13, 2023 11:24 AM (dCxaZ)

81 71 Very easy to derail. Just publish some science that notes that women who have abortions live shorter lives and die miserably. That should get them thinking a bit. A couple of surveys that note women who have abortions are really skanky would be persuasive, as well.
Posted by: Puddinhead at November 13, 2023 11:22 AM (iDpzk)

I don't think that overcomes "Killing your baby is a Power Move. Look at you, you just got away with killing someone!"

Posted by: XTC at November 13, 2023 11:24 AM (UnA8+)

82 It is easy, mental gymnastics to just make the law completely open to late term abortion, and then voters will think they of course will never do such a horrible thing.

Any sort of abortion question that’s on the ballot, the pro life side will lose.

I really think roe vs wade hanging around was a better dynamic that what we have now.

A state like Ohio would have never put unlimited abortion in their constitution before it had been over turned.

Posted by: Equate at November 13, 2023 11:24 AM (PDIUS)

83 70 I wonder how many people are anti abortion for themselves and their loved ones, but feel the government has no business restricting what they believe is family planning? That bans on abortion are one more governmental boot on the public’s neck, a place the government doesn’t belong?
Posted by: Jen the original at November 13, 2023 11:22 AM (em6YP)

You just described my wife. She’s against it and told me when we were dating she would never have one. But she absolutely opposes govt bans on it. Pretty sure she’s not alone.

Posted by: Montec at November 13, 2023 11:24 AM (P5BwU)

84 Floyd the animal control officer believes in your right to choose!

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at November 13, 2023 11:24 AM (R4t5M)

85 the problem, as I see it, is that "Republicans" don't want to win.

thus, all kinds of useful strategies for winning are ignored in favor of flaplip and gasbaggery in service of getting re-"elected"

"we", whatever that means, do want to win.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - these lying bastardi e stronzi have been lying for decades at November 13, 2023 11:24 AM (hXr4C)

86 Mentioned often had one of our planes ( A- 10) go down in a airshow, my crew chief was last guy to talk to him on the ground

Posted by: Skip at November 13, 2023 11:24 AM (fwDg9)

87 And yes, Trump endorsed her in 2016, and has yet to retract that endorsement. A tepid "I'm neutral" stance on his part in 2021 is NOT a retraction.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 13, 2023 11:05 AM (I/Qkd)
==
He lobbied for her in the latest round this year I believe. She is his "guy" at the RNC.

Posted by: Black JEM at November 13, 2023 11:25 AM (GZYu7)

88 He lobbied for her in the latest round this year I believe. She is his "guy" at the RNC.
Posted by: Black JEM

Against Harmeet Dillon too

Posted by: BruceWayne at November 13, 2023 11:25 AM (CIS44)

89
50 41 EVERY ad in PA was pro-killing babies.
Posted by: XTC at November 13, 2023 11:13 AM (UnA8+)

Yep. It didn't matter what office it was for."

You wonder who paid for those ads, in Pa., Va., and elsewhere? It wasn't the pro-abortion lobby. It was much worse; corporate grifters who know who they need to keep in power to keep the public money flowing their way:

https://tinyurl.com/mr3e4wxx

You may think the recent Virginia election was about abortion, but follow the money. The wave of advertising on that issue was largely bankrolled by the renewable energy industry. This election was about energy and delivered to those special interests the legislature they needed to stay in control of that agenda.

Dominion Energy Virginia increased its donations to Virginia state politicians six-fold in just four years. The other major donors in the energy regulation arena, Clean Virginia Fund, and its founder, have done much the same. They are donating five times more in the 2023 election cycle than they did in the similar 2019 cycle. The two political behemoths have donated about $23 million between them, compared to about $4 million four years ago." (more at the link)

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 13, 2023 11:25 AM (i9ffA)

90 Republicans have a bad case of the 'rona.

Posted by: Darth Randall at November 13, 2023 11:26 AM (Fdgx2)

91 Accusing that median voter of “wanting to kill babies” is not a winning strategy.
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Because wicked people hate to have their wickedness brought into the light for all to see.

Posted by: Methos at November 13, 2023 11:27 AM (Dnobf)

92 Any ballot initiative to ban trannie surgery would be overturned by a Hawaiian judge. But the effort is still worth it, only for the added turnout.

Posted by: Montec at November 13, 2023 11:27 AM (P5BwU)

93 Ballot initiatives for conservatives will go nowhere

We had someone pass a really popular one. Ultimately the state simply ignored it. He spun up another one - state claimed he broke rules on signature collection and fundraising and threw his ass in prison. We are not voting our way out of this.

"58 This is a no brainer, but right now, we have no leader.
Posted by: Equate at November 13, 2023 11:19 AM (PDIUS)"

- the problem isn't that we don't have a leader, it's that we don't have a PARTY. This is a two party system, and "our" party is a fraud. There is no genuine, viable third party nor will there be now that we're this far into the police-state phase of the downward spiral. Conservatives are fundamentally gullible (despite understanding lefties far better than the inverse) and got led around by the GOP for too long.

Posted by: somedood at November 13, 2023 11:27 AM (oL+dz)

94 Any sort of abortion question that’s on the ballot, the pro life side will lose.

I really think roe vs wade hanging around was a better dynamic that what we have now.

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Point 1 - I doubt. Prohibit abortions after the first 2 trimesters would likely pass.

Point 2 - I also doubt. It was simply a known dynamic for 50 years, one in which the GOPe exploited. I do think many were caught off guard with some recent state wins, but in part I don't think the Republican party really cared that much. But given time, the base will force new ways of protecting the lives of the unborn.

Posted by: SH (no more socks) at November 13, 2023 11:27 AM (sX1BW)

95 85 "we", whatever that means, do want to win.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - these lying bastardi e stronzi have been lying for decades at November 13, 2023 11:24 AM (hXr4C)

"We" keep thinking the Idiot Electorate will somehow become Smart, Serious, and Responsible all on its own.

It never does.

Posted by: XTC at November 13, 2023 11:27 AM (UnA8+)

96 And yes, Trump endorsed her in 2016, and has yet to retract that endorsement. A tepid "I'm neutral" stance on his part in 2021 is NOT a retraction.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 13, 2023 11:05 AM (I/Qkd)
==
He lobbied for her in the latest round this year I believe. She is his "guy" at the RNC.

Against Harmeet Dillon too

Want do you want, an admission of error????

Posted by: Archimedes at November 13, 2023 11:27 AM (I/Qkd)

97 Oh no!

Chaos Erupts as Fellow Climate-Crazy Tries to Stop Greta Thunberg From Turning Climate Demo Into Anti-Israel Rally

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter Here at November 13, 2023 11:28 AM (FVME7)

98 Maybe we should consider protecting men from women in divorce courts given women's penchant to kill children?

Posted by: Puddinhead at November 13, 2023 11:28 AM (iDpzk)

99 77 Texas just had several constitutional amendments on the ballot - none should be considered conservative.
Posted by: SH (no more socks) at November 13, 2023 11:23 AM (sX1BW)

The problem in Texas is that nothing gets on the ballot unless the Legislature, meaning the GOP-e House of Reps, approves it first.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 13, 2023 11:28 AM (i9ffA)

100 "I didn’t see ant change in Democrat turnout numbers. I did see a reduction in Republican turnout."

Congratulations to the "May as well not vote, it doesn't make any difference" party on their successful psy-ops campaign.

Posted by: FeatherBlade at November 13, 2023 11:28 AM (ou9hh)

101
91 Accusing that median voter of “wanting to kill babies” is not a winning strategy.
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Because wicked people hate to have their wickedness brought into the light for all to see.
Posted by: Methos at November 13, 2023 11:27 AM (Dnobf)

60% of voters are wicked? OK go with that strategy. It’s a sure winner.

Posted by: Montec at November 13, 2023 11:28 AM (P5BwU)

102 There is nobody that I know that thinks abortion is morally OK.

The flipside is, 99% of Republicans I know don’t want abortion outlawed and lean towards a pro choice position.

Posted by: Equate at November 13, 2023 11:28 AM (PDIUS)

103 Vote for Karen McAwfl for deputy assistant county zoning commissioner. She’ll fight for your right to choose!
Posted by: Duke Lowell

I'm sure Karen McAwfl would have a hyphenated last name. Divorced, now lesbian, with a non-binary child.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at November 13, 2023 11:28 AM (Nkvha)

104 93
...
- the problem isn't that we don't have a leader, it's that we don't have a PARTY. ...
Posted by: SH (no more socks) at November 13, 2023 11:27 AM (sX1BW)

There is the Uniparty, and they do not look out for us or for our benefit, comrades.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 13, 2023 11:29 AM (ynpvh)

105 Oh no!

Chaos Erupts as Fellow Climate-Crazy Tries to Stop Greta Thunberg From Turning Climate Demo Into Anti-Israel Rally
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter Here at November 13, 2023 11:28 AM (FVME7)
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Ah, so a sorting. Those who knew that all these causes were the same thing and unlimited will not be separated from those who though that these causes were distinct or limited.

If it keeps up, it'll look a lot like the "TER" kerfuffle in the feminist movement.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 13, 2023 11:29 AM (d04cU)

106 Possible Republican-led ballot initiatives:

Would you like to change the state constitution to support foreign conflicts in perpetuity?

Would you like change the state constitution to protect corporate tax cuts?

Would you like to change the state constitution to limit homosexual and transgender discussions to only the 4th grade and higher?

Would you like to change the change the state constitution to allow the state to discard budgets and operate only on continuing resolutions and deficit spending?

Would you like to change the state constitution to create a legal fast track for illegal aliens to flood the state, rape your women, sell your kids fentanyl, and compete with you for jobs and housing?

These are winning issues, IMHO.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at November 13, 2023 11:29 AM (gmL84)

107 He lobbied for her in the latest round this year I believe. She is his "guy" at the RNC.

I looked, but was unable to find any proof. I'm not saying you're wrong, just that I didn't find anything. I can easily believe that he's on board with her.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 13, 2023 11:29 AM (I/Qkd)

108 Uniparty doesn't want us to win, and DJT isn't in the Uniparty

Posted by: Skip at November 13, 2023 11:29 AM (fwDg9)

109
If it keeps up, it'll look a lot like the "TER" kerfuffle in the feminist movement.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 13, 2023 11:29 AM (d04cU)

The TER tear...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 13, 2023 11:30 AM (ynpvh)

110 I'm shocked that the RNC is running cover campaigns by blaming Trump for their troubles, said no one paying attention.
That's like taking advice on winning elections from Democrats... like they actually want to help.
They want to preserve power, period.
Anything they can do to smack down the uppity base voters and get rid of their pesky Trump problem they will do, if they can spin them both together great.
I'm not in the business of pretending the RNC's own lawyer was really running to unseat McDaniel, and that "vote" wasn't decided well before any date to count. About the only thing republicans exceed expectations at is failure theater. At this they are masters.

Posted by: Inogame at November 13, 2023 11:30 AM (53oGX)

111 *will *now* be separated.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 13, 2023 11:30 AM (d04cU)

112 Sowell sez “There are no solutions. There are only trade-offs,” and points out the necessity of compromise in politics. On the abortion issue, that is very depressing to contemplate. I don't know what to do about it.

Posted by: gp Decays To Plage at November 13, 2023 11:30 AM (MvF+J)

113 102 There is nobody that I know that thinks abortion is morally OK."

I congratulate you on not allowing your personal air to be poisoned with leftists.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 13, 2023 11:30 AM (i9ffA)

114 in PA we limited the Governor's emergency powers with a ballot resolution. this was in the wake of the b.s. plandemic restrictions
Posted by: kallisto at November 13, 2023 11:24 AM (dCxaZ)

We should get him to fix the potholes next !

Posted by: JT at November 13, 2023 11:31 AM (T4tVD)

115 112 Sowell sez “There are no solutions. There are only trade-offs,” and points out the necessity of compromise in politics. On the abortion issue, that is very depressing to contemplate. I don't know what to do about it.
Posted by: gp Decays To Plage at November 13, 2023 11:30 AM (MvF+J)

Mr. Sowell - please explain how that works with Slavery.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 13, 2023 11:31 AM (i9ffA)

116 You just described my wife. She’s against it and told me when we were dating she would never have one. But she absolutely opposes govt bans on it. Pretty sure she’s not alone.
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If someone murders her, does she expect the government to do something about it, or nah?

Posted by: Methos at November 13, 2023 11:31 AM (Dnobf)

117 Don’t discount the fact that people who would never have an abortion are also fine with noting that the people who do shouldn’t have children anyway.

Posted by: Jen the original at November 13, 2023 11:31 AM (em6YP)

118 The States are deciding as it should be . Their choice to become Mordor .

I will sadly note that women will destroy this country eventually. They are the drivers of woke and abortion.

Posted by: Drive by at November 13, 2023 11:31 AM (MNhXM)

119 112 Sowell sez “There are no solutions. There are only trade-offs,” and points out the necessity of compromise in politics. On the abortion issue, that is very depressing to contemplate. I don't know what to do about it.
Posted by: gp Decays To Plage at November 13, 2023 11:30 AM (MvF+J)

Intimidate, Intimidate, Intimidate.

Then Intimidate some more.

Make them more afraid of what happens if they DON'T vote for you than what happens if they DO.

Posted by: XTC at November 13, 2023 11:32 AM (UnA8+)

120 Texas just had several constitutional amendments on the ballot - none should be considered conservative.

Yup. Every one of them was "let's subsidize some sympathetic sounding group or cause." I voted for the ones where that group or cause was me.

Posted by: Oddbob at November 13, 2023 11:32 AM (nfrXX)

121 This is hilarious.

Disney will attempt to influence the 2024 elections by releasing-

a hyper-politicized, anti-Trump, anti-Jan6 ~~hectoring lecture~~ Captain America movie, which-

is bombing with prevue audiences everywhere.

Disney really puts the "taint" in entertainment.*

hopefully, this one will open to a buck fiddy and make "The Marvels" look like a classic for the ages.

*iI know, I know but roll with me here.

Posted by: naturalfake at November 13, 2023 11:32 AM (QzZeQ)

122 The worst lesson you could possibly learn from these recent elections as we somehow have a marketing problem on the issue of abortion.

People understand the issue. They’re just lopsidedly pro choice on the legal side of things.

You’ll notice the only time really strict abortion laws pass is when it’s done by a legislature and there’s no ballot initiative available to voters.

All 50 states would vote for legal access to abortion if it was on the ballot. It might be 3 months or it might be 9 months but it would be available.

Remember, the real pro life position has never been three month abortions. It’s been no abortions ever..

Posted by: Equate at November 13, 2023 11:32 AM (PDIUS)

123 112 Sowell sez “There are no solutions. There are only trade-offs,” and points out the necessity of compromise in politics. On the abortion issue, that is very depressing to contemplate. I don't know what to do about it.

Posted by: gp Decays To Plage at November 13, 2023 11:30 AM (MvF+J)

Sometimes in math (yes, "no math"), there are no solutions given the constraints on a problem. The answer is to remove some of those constraints (or change them).
How this translates politically?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 13, 2023 11:32 AM (ynpvh)

124 Things are tough all over.

Suspected Financial Crisis in North Korea Sees Nation Closing Its Embassies Around the World

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter Here at November 13, 2023 11:33 AM (FVME7)

125 I'm so old, I can remember when the Left ranted against 'baby killers'.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 13, 2023 11:33 AM (XeU6L)

126 116 You just described my wife. She’s against it and told me when we were dating she would never have one. But she absolutely opposes govt bans on it. Pretty sure she’s not alone.
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If someone murders her, does she expect the government to do something about it, or nah?

Posted by: Methos at November 13, 2023 11:31 AM (Dnobf)

Depends on the color, gender identity, and sexual identity of the killer.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 13, 2023 11:33 AM (ynpvh)

127 Don’t discount the fact that people who would never have an abortion are also fine with noting that the people who do shouldn’t have children anyway.
Posted by: Jen the original at November 13, 2023 11:31 AM (em6YP)

Pro life supporters dismiss that libel made by pro-abortion advocates.

Posted by: Drive by at November 13, 2023 11:34 AM (MNhXM)

128 Face it, there is but one political party in this country, the Uniparty, and we aren't members.

Posted by: Archer at November 13, 2023 11:34 AM (gmo/4)

129 112 Sowell sez “There are no solutions. There are only trade-offs,” and points out the necessity of compromise in politics.

I greatly admire Sowell, but don't agree with this as a categorical statement. Reagan didn't compromise when it came to breaking the Soviet Union. This didn't mean he didn't believe in compromise.

Posted by: Ordinary American at November 13, 2023 11:34 AM (+vi5G)

130 123 He wrote that in "A Conflict of Visions: Ideological Origins of Political Struggles;" his context is specifically political.

Posted by: gp Decays To Plage at November 13, 2023 11:34 AM (MvF+J)

131 On the abortion issue, that is very depressing to contemplate. I don't know what to do about it.

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Take comfort in knowing that science and morality are on your side. What happened in OH sucks, but Texas has done a good job reducing abortion. Start by taking the wins you can get, such as eliminate abortions in 3rd trimester - better yet - eliminate after 1st if you can. Move the window in your direction.

Posted by: SH (no more socks) at November 13, 2023 11:35 AM (sX1BW)

132 124 Things are tough all over.

Suspected Financial Crisis in North Korea Sees Nation Closing Its Embassies Around the World

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter Here at November 13, 2023 11:33 AM (FVME7)

I thought they were a Communist paradise, just like in Star Trek...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 13, 2023 11:35 AM (ynpvh)

133 A couple of surveys that note women who have abortions are really skanky would be persuasive, as well.

"90% of the women who killed more than two of their unborn children had 7 or more sex partners in one year, most of whom they were not married to. Save abortion: Support whores by killing babies"?

Posted by: FeatherBlade at November 13, 2023 11:35 AM (ou9hh)

134 Sowell sez “There are no solutions.

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We are spirits in a material world.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter Here at November 13, 2023 11:35 AM (FVME7)

135 Remember, the real pro life position has never been three month abortions. It’s been no abortions ever..
Posted by: Equate

It's always hilariously funny that the people FOR abortion have already won the birth canal lottery.

And they get real fucking uppity when you tell them you wished their mother would have availed herself of the procedure.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 13, 2023 11:35 AM (X98Jy)

136 If someone murders her, does she expect the government to do something about it, or nah?
Posted by: Methos at November 13, 2023 11:31 AM (Dnobf)

This kind of rhetoric is why the GOP loses on the issue.

Posted by: Montec at November 13, 2023 11:35 AM (P5BwU)

137 He lobbied for her in the latest round this year I believe. She is his "guy" at the RNC.

I looked, but was unable to find any proof. I'm not saying you're wrong, just that I didn't find anything. I can easily believe that he's on board with her.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 13, 2023 11:29 AM (I/Qkd)
==
First article I saw on my search:

https://shorturl.at/nwKO4

First line was " The Republican National Committee reelected Ronna McDaniel to a fourth term as chairwoman, giving a mandate that would keep the Donald Trump-backed candidate in the top party post through the 2024 U.S. presidential elections."

I've read multiple opinion pieces from authors commenting on his people working to get her re-elected this time again.

Very little doubt. She's Trumps "guy".

Posted by: Black JEM at November 13, 2023 11:35 AM (GZYu7)

138 125 I'm so old, I can remember when the Left ranted against 'baby killers'.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 13, 2023 11:33 AM (XeU6L)

And I can remember when one of their banner proclamations was "Power to the People." I can also remember when the ACLU defended free speech.

Posted by: Ordinary American at November 13, 2023 11:36 AM (+vi5G)

139 I've said this before but politically, focusing all of your own energy into throwing a fit because YOUR ENEMY is killing their own children is top-tier clownshoes.

Of all the shit these people are gearing up to do to US, and to OUR CHILDREN, and this is what you get butthurt about? So much so that you'll just run straight into any electoral set-up they place in front of you? Really?

Sucks for their kids but you need to place successfully protecting your own tribe before saving your enemies from themselves. I don't care how many room temp IQ reasons people cherry-pick out of the Bible to justify it.

Posted by: somedood at November 13, 2023 11:36 AM (oL+dz)

140 133 A couple of surveys that note women who have abortions are really skanky would be persuasive, as well.

"90% of the women who killed more than two of their unborn children had 7 or more sex partners in one year, most of whom they were not married to. Save abortion: Support whores by killing babies"?

Posted by: FeatherBlade at November 13, 2023 11:35 AM (ou9hh)

And apparently they and their "partners" didn't want to use prophylactics either.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 13, 2023 11:36 AM (ynpvh)

141 Maybe we should stop referring to ourselves as conservatives and start considering ourselves restorationists.

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Would give new meaning to the phrase "Restoration Hardware" IYKWIMAITYD.

Reformationists? Reclamationists? Reclaim-Nationists? Reclaim-Nationalists?

Make A 2nd Renaissance Great Again!

[Insightful & Important Rant, Buck.]

Posted by: ShainS -- Too Male, Too Pale, Too Stale at November 13, 2023 11:36 AM (5wkdV)

142 I greatly admire Sowell, but don't agree with this as a categorical statement. Reagan didn't compromise when it came to breaking the Soviet Union. This didn't mean he didn't believe in compromise.
Posted by: Ordinary American at November 13, 2023 11:34 AM (+vi5G)
++++
Yes, he did. He compromised domestically in order to achieve it. The Dems got a lot out of Reagan in exchange for various anti-Soviet things Reagan wanted (like SDI, which they bitched about but didn't really try to stop).

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 13, 2023 11:36 AM (d04cU)

143 Ohioan here.

Ohio is a simple majority 50%+1 to amend the state constitution.

We tried to change it to 60% threshold in August, but it was rejected by the same margin that the abortion measure was approved, 43/57.

The amendment was deceptively written to mask that it legalizes all manner of abortion at any time for any reason. The pro-abortion ads focused on rape, incest, and "miscarriage care". The ads were fully deceptive on the nature and purpose of the amendment. When you're hellbent on killing children, telling the truth isn't a priority.

There were a couple pro-life PACs who tried to run counter advertisements, but when you're trying to explain why the deceptively written amendment is deceptive (which is hard to to in 30sec)...to a people who are increasingly lacking a moral foundation and critical thinking skills...

Posted by: Knob at November 13, 2023 11:37 AM (D+MNW)

144 128 Face it, there is but one political party in this country, the Uniparty, and we aren't members.

I've insisted for years that conservatives are the Republicans In Name Only.

We register as Republicans, vote for Republicans, support Republicans, but hold none of the values of the Republican Party.

They've shown us over and over that our values aren't the party's values. And yet we continue to vote for them.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at November 13, 2023 11:37 AM (gmL84)

145 34 Proposition 8
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh

IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE "H" IS THE 8TH LETTER OF THE ALPHABET, AND "PREPERATION H" IS A WELL KNOWN HEMORRHOID CREAM. PERHAPS PROPOSITION KY WOULD ALSO WORK, AS WE GOT BUTTFUCKED IN KENTUCKY WITH NO LUBE.

Posted by: BEN ROETHLISBERGER at November 13, 2023 11:37 AM (Nkvha)

146 135 Remember, the real pro life position has never been three month abortions. It’s been no abortions ever..
Posted by: Equate

It's always hilariously funny that the people FOR abortion have already won the birth canal lottery.

And they get real fucking uppity when you tell them you wished their mother would have availed herself of the procedure.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 13, 2023 11:35 AM (X98Jy)

When not inadvertently doing it themselves. Didn't Hillary say she wished her mother had access? Well, in that case, so do I...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 13, 2023 11:37 AM (ynpvh)

147
Don’t discount the fact that people who would never have an abortion are also fine with noting that the people who do shouldn’t have children anyway.

Posted by: Jen the original at November 13, 2023 11:31 AM

Yup. What is Whoopi Goldberg's abortion count, something like four? Mother of the Year material there.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at November 13, 2023 11:37 AM (enJYY)

148 Small glimmer of hope.

More Than 100,000 People in France Take to the Streets to March Against Skyrocketing Antisemitism

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter Here at November 13, 2023 11:37 AM (FVME7)

149 Remember, the real pro life position has never been three month abortions. It’s been no abortions ever..
Posted by: Equate at November 13, 2023 11:32 AM (PDIUS

That’s the campaign slogan of the Left. I’m surprised you’re here since it’s not a Trump thread.
Baby killing must be your other ocd issue.

Posted by: Drive by at November 13, 2023 11:37 AM (MNhXM)

150 Maybe we should stop referring to ourselves as conservatives and start considering ourselves restorationists.

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I sort of like it. I call myself a conservative, because that is what I am. I'm not to blame for the GOP not following. And maybe there isn't much to conserve anymore. If there is a better label, I'll use it.

Posted by: SH (no more socks) at November 13, 2023 11:38 AM (sX1BW)

151 Yup. Every one of them was "let's subsidize some sympathetic sounding group or cause." I voted for the ones where that group or cause was me.

There was one exception: one to allow judges to be older than present before requiring them to retire. I think it's the only one that failed.

Posted by: Texas loves to have constitutional amendments. So many it's hard to keep track of them. at November 13, 2023 11:38 AM (KFhLj)

152 136 This kind of rhetoric is why the GOP loses on the issue.
Posted by: Montec at November 13, 2023 11:35 AM (P5BwU)

They lose because they tell people who want to stay kids forever that they have to grow up, mature, and start acting like responsible adults.

I don't know how you get through to the 40-going-on-16 types.

Posted by: XTC at November 13, 2023 11:38 AM (UnA8+)

153 Depends on the color, gender identity, and sexual identity of the killer.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 13, 2023 11:33 AM (ynpvh)

Okay, that's a fair point.

Posted by: Methos at November 13, 2023 11:39 AM (Dnobf)

154 141 Maybe we should stop referring to ourselves as conservatives and start considering ourselves restorationists.

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Would give new meaning to the phrase "Restoration Hardware" IYKWIMAITYD.

Reformationists? Reclamationists? Reclaim-Nationists? Reclaim-Nationalists?

Make A 2nd Renaissance Great Again!

[Insightful & Important Rant, Buck.]

Posted by: ShainS -- Too Male, Too Pale, Too Stale at November 13, 2023 11:36 AM (5wkdV)

I've always liked the word antidisestablismentarianism.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 13, 2023 11:39 AM (ynpvh)

155 "138 125 I'm so old, I can remember when the Left ranted against 'baby killers'.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 13, 2023 11:33 AM (XeU6L)

And I can remember when one of their banner proclamations was "Power to the People." I can also remember when the ACLU defended free speech.
Posted by: Ordinary American at November 13, 2023 11:36 AM (+vi5G)"

The left succeeds and the right fails because the right (generally) fails to understand that the only genuine thing to come out of the post-1917 left has been the will to power.

These times you both remember were still *far* past the point where these people should have been Pinochet'ed.

Posted by: somedood at November 13, 2023 11:39 AM (oL+dz)

156 When not inadvertently doing it themselves. Didn't Hillary say she wished her mother had access? Well, in that case, so do I...
Posted by: jim

I think it was the Hillspawn that said that.

I've told cousins that I know their mother and after seeing what they believe in, it's a damn shame my aunts did do it.

Yeah. We no longer talk.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 13, 2023 11:39 AM (X98Jy)

157 "A couple of surveys that note women who have abortions are really skanky would be persuasive, as well."

Many undoubtedly are, some even admit that proudly, but the pro-abortionist strategists always push the edge cases (pregnant 11-year-olds, rape victims, 'health of the mother.')

Posted by: gp Decays To Plage at November 13, 2023 11:40 AM (MvF+J)

158 This kind of rhetoric is why the GOP loses on the issue.
Posted by: Montec at November 13, 2023 11:35 AM (P5BwU)

They lose because they tell people who want to stay kids forever that they have to grow up, mature, and start acting like responsible adults.

I don't know how you get through to the 40-going-on-16 types.
Posted by: XTC

You don't. You also don't help them and let them live under an overpass until they are ready to grow up.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 13, 2023 11:41 AM (X98Jy)

159 147
Don’t discount the fact that people who would never have an abortion are also fine with noting that the people who do shouldn’t have children anyway.

Posted by: Jen the original at November 13, 2023 11:31 AM

Yup. What is Whoopi Goldberg's abortion count, something like four? Mother of the Year material there.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at November 13, 2023 11:37 AM (enJYY)

One guy had sex with her four times? Four guys had sex with her once? I don't get it...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 13, 2023 11:41 AM (ynpvh)

160 "I don't know how you get through to the 40-going-on-16 types.
Posted by: XTC at November 13, 2023 11:38 AM (UnA8+)"

Lead by example

If your community is wealthy and safe and theirs is a violent multi-culti shitfest, things start becoming pretty obvious. The USSR built walls to keep people in for a reason.

Posted by: somedood at November 13, 2023 11:41 AM (oL+dz)

161 Not everyone on the Right has a monolithic worldview.

There is absolutely a large contingent of conservatives that don’t want to expend the taxpayer resources on accidental children.

Let’s be honest, a poor woman having a child out of wedlock? That’s $1 million easy that it will cost in government services to take care of that kid and the mother.

They still think it’s evil, it just doesn’t keep them up at night. It’s just more of a “I would never get an abortion” outlook.

Posted by: Equate at November 13, 2023 11:42 AM (PDIUS)

162 "Maybe we should stop referring to ourselves as conservatives and start considering ourselves restorationists."

Legacy Americans.

Posted by: gp Decays To Plage at November 13, 2023 11:42 AM (MvF+J)

163 If your community is wealthy and safe and theirs is a violent multi-culti shitfest, things start becoming pretty obvious. The USSR built walls to keep people in for a reason.
Posted by: somedood at November 13, 2023 11:41 AM (oL+dz)
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Postwar Europe had two armies facing east.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 13, 2023 11:42 AM (d04cU)

164 Ohioan here.

Ohio is a simple majority 50%+1 to amend the state constitution.

We tried to change it to 60% threshold in August, but it was rejected by the same margin that the abortion measure was approved, 43/57.

The amendment was deceptively written to mask that it legalizes all manner of abortion at any time for any reason. The pro-abortion ads focused on rape, incest, and "miscarriage care". The ads were fully deceptive on the nature and purpose of the amendment. When you're hellbent on killing children, telling the truth isn't a priority.

Posted by: Knob at November 13, 2023 11:37 AM (D+MNW)
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And now when some judge rams what it says down someone's throat, everyone will ask why.

And then there will be a new ballot initiative - and it will introduce more restrictions back the other direction. The dems are doing the same thing they are laughing at the GOP over abortion, grabbing more than the general electorate will accept.

It's heartbeat to 12-13 weeks. Anything more that that doesn't have support except in the bluest of blue places. Dobbs is taking 50 years of legislative activity and compressing it into 2.

Posted by: Black JEM at November 13, 2023 11:42 AM (GZYu7)

165 One guy had sex with her four times? Four guys had sex with her once? I don't get it...

Wish I hadn't.

Posted by: Ted Danson at November 13, 2023 11:42 AM (JrojV)

166 If someone murders her, does she expect the government to do something about it, or nah?
Posted by: Methos at November 13, 2023 11:31 AM (Dnobf)

This kind of rhetoric is why the GOP loses on the issue.
Posted by: Montec at November 13, 2023 11:35 AM (P5BwU)

Abortion is in fact murder and should be punished the same. Specifically it is murder for hire, which appropriately carries the death penalty for everyone involved in most states.

It is not my fault that people support the ongoing holocaust in this country and I am not going to try to sugarcoat what they are.

Posted by: Methos at November 13, 2023 11:42 AM (Dnobf)

167 157 ...

Many undoubtedly are, some even admit that proudly, but the pro-abortionist strategists always push the edge cases (pregnant 11-year-olds, rape victims, 'health of the mother.')

Posted by: gp Decays To Plage at November 13, 2023 11:40 AM (MvF+J)

For which, if done in a timely manner, was available in most or all states for those edge conditions.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 13, 2023 11:43 AM (ynpvh)

168 Knob. Thanks. I thought it might have been deceptively written as others were before it. I think many believe that since I wouldn't abort a child I'm sure many of my fellow countrymen have the same belief. No, morality is in the toilet. Do not care, it's murder no matter what people believe.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at November 13, 2023 11:43 AM (2NHgQ)

169 Well, there's two seconds' profit shot to hell!

Apple to Pay $25 Million Over Allegations of Hiring Discrimination Against U.S. Citizens

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter Here at November 13, 2023 11:43 AM (FVME7)

170 You don't. You also don't help them and let them live under an overpass until they are ready to grow up.
Posted by: rickb223

Great! Another Dem voter, then. We'll promise him money for nothing and his chick's abortions for free.

Posted by: Dire Dem Voter Outreach Straits at November 13, 2023 11:43 AM (JCZqz)

171 That's the dirty secret of the Uniparty - there is never debate on conservative issues - so only progressive causes can ever pass. Feature not bug.

Posted by: Rex Mundi at November 13, 2023 11:43 AM (coZYD)

172 158 You don't. You also don't help them and let them live under an overpass until they are ready to grow up.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 13, 2023 11:41 AM (X98Jy)

That's the thing, though.

Most of them slipped into a cushy, well-enough paying job right out of college that they never had to moderate their behavior to survive.

You can't tell them shit, because they're never in danger of being homeless.

Posted by: XTC at November 13, 2023 11:43 AM (UnA8+)

173 ... There is absolutely a large contingent of conservatives that don’t want to expend the taxpayer resources on accidental children.

Let’s be honest, a poor woman having a child out of wedlock? That’s $1 million easy that it will cost in government services to take care of that kid and the mother. ...
Posted by: Equate at November 13, 2023 11:42 AM (PDIUS)
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And thus get more of them regardless because they're subsidized and the incentives are there.

The better solution to that is the elimination of those programs, not the expansion of abortion. Not that it matters, because the reduction - let alone elimination - of programs like that will not happen until the system collapses.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 13, 2023 11:44 AM (d04cU)

174 There was one exception: one to allow judges to be older than present before requiring them to retire. I think it's the only one that failed.

Yes, I was speaking over broadly. That one and the Galveston County Treasurer issue were not about hands in my pocket.

Posted by: Oddbob at November 13, 2023 11:44 AM (nfrXX)

175 There is absolutely a large contingent of conservatives that don’t want to expend the taxpayer resources on accidental children.

Let’s be honest, a poor woman having a child out of wedlock? That’s $1 million easy that it will cost in government services to take care of that kid and the mother.

They'd have to be retarded conservatives if they look at welfare and entitlement programs and think "Aha! I have a solution! Instead of repealing the programs, we could just get rid of the people!"

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at November 13, 2023 11:44 AM (gmL84)

176 it seems useless in the face of the machine.

Posted by: fd 49 at November 13, 2023 11:44 AM (vFG9F)

177 Posted by: BEN ROETHLISBERGER at November 13, 2023 11:37 AM (Nkvha)
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O/T but I watched the Miami/Akron game last week and at the end they showed the clip of your game-winning Hail, Mary TD pass against the Zips back in '01.

A voice in my head said, "IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE WE BEAT THEM TONIGHT, TOO!!"

Go, Red Hawks!

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at November 13, 2023 11:44 AM (N3zMI)

178 Reality is: Abortion is a no-win subject for Conservatives/ Republican during elections, and we need to change our strategy on how to win. It's an emotional decision...one men need to stop making for women. Women can decide what's best for them. Politicians should concede the abortion issue and publicly support abortion up to X weeks.

Posted by: snowball_santa at November 13, 2023 11:44 AM (w5I03)

179 If a Republican 10 years ago, had said, he’s OK with abortion up to 12 weeks, everyone here would call that a pro-choice position.

Thats basically the same abortion laws France has and much of Europe has.

It’s not pro life, it’s a compromise.

Posted by: Equate at November 13, 2023 11:44 AM (PDIUS)

180 And I would note - there is more state support for total ban than there is for total availability.

Posted by: Black JEM at November 13, 2023 11:45 AM (GZYu7)

181 First article I saw on my search:

https://shorturl.at/nwKO4

First line was " The Republican National Committee reelected Ronna McDaniel to a fourth term as chairwoman, giving a mandate that would keep the Donald Trump-backed candidate in the top party post through the 2024 U.S. presidential elections."

Thanks, that's helpful, however it is still vague, because it calls her the "Trump-backed candidate", but it doesn't specify when he backed her. I'm looking for incontrovertible proof that he STILL supports her. As I said, I believe he does, but your link doesn't confirm that he supported her in 2023.

I fully expect a counterattack from the "Trump is God" people, so I want to have it nailed down.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 13, 2023 11:45 AM (I/Qkd)

182 They lose because they tell people who want to stay kids forever that they have to grow up, mature, and start acting like responsible adults.

I don't know how you get through to the 40-going-on-16 types.
Posted by: XTC at November 13, 2023 11:38 AM (UnA8+)

Forced to have a baby is being adult?

Posted by: Montec at November 13, 2023 11:45 AM (P5BwU)

183
More Than 100,000 People in France Take to the Streets to March Against Skyrocketing Antisemitism

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter Here at November 13, 2023 11:37 AM

Someone noted this morning that number came from the New York Times. Two other newspapers recorded the count at 180,000.

But the New York Times way of describing the number is pure propaganda, when they could also factually say that 'Nearly 200,000' take to the streets. Subtle.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at November 13, 2023 11:45 AM (enJYY)

184 But we skaret!

Posted by: Feckless GOP at November 13, 2023 11:46 AM (G1dq6)

185 179 If a Republican 10 years ago, had said, he’s OK with abortion up to 12 weeks, everyone here would call that a pro-choice position.

Thats basically the same abortion laws France has and much of Europe has.

It’s not pro life, it’s a compromise.

Posted by: Equate at November 13, 2023 11:44 AM (PDIUS)

Not even Europe allows some of the abortions allowed here (and ironically enough, in China).

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 13, 2023 11:46 AM (ynpvh)

186
First line was " The Republican National Committee reelected Ronna McDaniel to a fourth term as chairwoman, giving a mandate that would keep the Donald Trump-backed candidate in the top party post through the 2024 U.S. presidential elections."

I've read multiple opinion pieces from authors commenting on his people working to get her re-elected this time again.

Very little doubt. She's Trumps "guy".
Posted by: Black JEM at November 13, 2023 11:35 AM (GZYu7)

There was no - zero, zip, zilch, nada - chance of anyone over than Romney getting to be RNC chair again. She's elected by the other state GOP officials, and there is not one of them that is worth any more than a warm bucket of spit. They owe their jobs to maintaining the status quo, and Romney was going to keep the cash flowing to them.

Back around J6, the RNC gave Trump a choice. Stand down now, or get not a penny in defense when the Dems come after you legally. We know that there was no defense from them coming, but Trump is not going to rock that boat when there was little chance of a competitor succeeding. They still need each other.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at November 13, 2023 11:46 AM (venpK)

187 If you guys really want to bitch consider the Redskin's offensive line.

Posted by: Puddinhead at November 13, 2023 11:46 AM (dGES5)

188 It's an emotional decision...one men need to stop making for women. Women can decide what's best for them.

Oh brother...

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 13, 2023 11:46 AM (JrojV)

189 If your community is wealthy and safe and theirs is a violent multi-culti shitfest, things start becoming pretty obvious. The USSR built walls to keep people in for a reason.

Posted by: somedood at November 13, 2023 11:41 AM (oL+dz)

The problem with blight is that it spreads. We might be better off figuring out how to fortify those successful communities so that when our own shitholes collapse, they don't take everyone with them.

Posted by: Grudge Harbor at November 13, 2023 11:46 AM (hCzfy)

190 182 They lose because they tell people who want to stay kids forever that they have to grow up, mature, and start acting like responsible adults.

I don't know how you get through to the 40-going-on-16 types.
Posted by: XTC at November 13, 2023 11:38 AM (UnA8+)

Forced to have a baby is being adult?

Posted by: Montec at November 13, 2023 11:45 AM (P5BwU)

If you have to take care of it, yes.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 13, 2023 11:46 AM (ynpvh)

191 Well, there's your problem.

John Cooper: Our Society Is Run by the Wimpy, Weak and Woke

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter Here at November 13, 2023 11:46 AM (FVME7)

192 "Many undoubtedly are, some even admit that proudly, but the pro-abortionist strategists always push the edge cases (pregnant 11-year-olds, rape victims, 'health of the mother.')
Posted by: gp Decays To Plage "

The "health of the mother" objection usually involves conflating any or all of the ways to end a viable pregnancy with those methods use to fix an ectopic pregnancy, which is non-viable by definition.

From what I've read that usually involves removing the fallopian tube with which a fertilized egg has fused, not cutting up a live and mostly developed body for parts.

Posted by: FeatherBlade at November 13, 2023 11:46 AM (ou9hh)

193 Reality is: Abortion is a no-win subject for Conservatives/ Republican during elections, and we need to change our strategy on how to win. It's an emotional decision...one men need to stop making for women. Women can decide what's best for them. Politicians should concede the abortion issue and publicly support abortion up to X weeks.
Posted by: snowball_santa at November 13, 2023 11:44 AM (w5I03)
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The attitude that women are the only ones who matter in the transaction and decision is a false argument and a grave problem.

But there shouldn't be a hard line here. Not all places are the same. Remove abortion from national policy and let the state parties determine what to pursue and what level. Missouri is not Alabama is not Ohio is not Arizona is not Maine. The key battle - Roe - is won. It's now local politics, and the local political environment should determine the strategy.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 13, 2023 11:47 AM (d04cU)

194 She's elected by the other state GOP officials, and there is not one of them that is worth any more than a warm bucket of spit. They owe their jobs to maintaining the status quo, and Romney was going to keep the cash flowing to them.

Harmeet Dhillon?

Posted by: Archimedes at November 13, 2023 11:47 AM (I/Qkd)

195 187 If you guys really want to bitch consider the Redskin's offensive line.

Posted by: Puddinhead at November 13, 2023 11:46 AM (dGES5)

What did they say now?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 13, 2023 11:47 AM (ynpvh)

196 I believe abortion is murder. I also know that I’m in the minority. People are looking for a legal or political remedy to a moral problem. I don’t think it exists.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at November 13, 2023 11:47 AM (u73oe)

197 More Than 100,000 People in France Take to the Streets to March Against Skyrocketing Antisemitism

Do the French ever work, or just protest?

I'm envious of those people's unquenchable thirst to stand in the streets and scream.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at November 13, 2023 11:47 AM (gmL84)

198 This kind of rhetoric is why the GOP loses on the issue.
Posted by: Montec at November 13, 2023 11:35 AM (P5BwU)

Means you just lost the argument. Heh.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 13, 2023 11:48 AM (jOd3I)

199 RIP.

Report: Donald Trump's sister Maryanne was found dead early Monday morning in her New York home

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter Here at November 13, 2023 11:48 AM (FVME7)

200 Accusing that median voter of “wanting to kill babies” is not a winning strategy.
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Because wicked people hate to have their wickedness brought into the light for all to see.
Posted by: Methos
60% of voters are wicked? OK go with that strategy. It’s a sure winner.
Posted by: Montec

Let's beat this dead horse one more time.
Last summer, there was a definite "conservative" amendment to change to 60% minimum vote to amend the Constitution in Ohio. It failed.
Issue 1 in Ohio was largely presented as a Freedom of Choice issued....get government out of our ability to "choose". This was, of course, just a mask for abortion and abortion rights. The single biggest donor to this Issue was an abortion "doctor" who gave over $100K to this issue.
Mike Gallagher is a talk show host on the Salem Radio Network, and he talked about this the day after the vote. He spoke a lot of truth when he said a lot (majority) of Republican women are pro-choice and voted "yes" on Tuesday, Nov. 8th. This may bother a lot of you, but I think it is pretty close to the truth.

Posted by: A face in the crowd..... at November 13, 2023 11:48 AM (vcOmj)

201 She's elected by the other state GOP officials, and there is not one of them that is worth any more than a warm bucket of spit. They owe their jobs to maintaining the status quo, and Romney was going to keep the cash flowing to them.

Harmeet Dhillon?

I misread what you were saying. You bucket of spit analogy was aimed at state GOP officials.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 13, 2023 11:48 AM (I/Qkd)

202 192 "Many undoubtedly are, some even admit that proudly, but the pro-abortionist strategists always push the edge cases (pregnant 11-year-olds, rape victims, 'health of the mother.')
Posted by: gp Decays To Plage "

The "health of the mother" objection usually involves conflating any or all of the ways to end a viable pregnancy with those methods use to fix an ectopic pregnancy, which is non-viable by definition.

From what I've read that usually involves removing the fallopian tube with which a fertilized egg has fused, not cutting up a live and mostly developed body for parts.

Posted by: FeatherBlade at November 13, 2023 11:46 AM (ou9hh)

Then they stretched "Health of the Mother" to include mental health in some places...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 13, 2023 11:48 AM (ynpvh)

203 EVERY ad in PA was pro-killing babies.
Posted by: XTC at November 13, 2023 11:13 AM (UnA8+)

I'll bet it wasn't worded that way.
REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS!

Posted by: Bosk of Port Kar at November 13, 2023 11:48 AM (geB2x)

204 The problem with blight is that it spreads. We might be better off figuring out how to fortify those successful communities so that when our own shitholes collapse, they don't take everyone with them.
Posted by: Grudge Harbor at November 13, 2023 11:46 AM (hCzfy)
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Walls, patrols and ruthless enforcement of the flow of outsiders in and through is how that usually works. Put up the walls to keep the barbarians out, and patrol them aggressively to make sure they don't get ambitious.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 13, 2023 11:48 AM (d04cU)

205 one men need to stop making for women. Women can decide what's best for them. Politicians should concede the abortion issue and publicly support abortion up to X weeks.

Posted by: snowball_santa at November 13, 2023 11:44 AM (w5I03)
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Ok - this is the most fucking stupid comment I've ever seen on this board.

Men support abortion more readily than women. There is polling all over the place on it. Women are over represented in the leadership of pro-life organizations.

If it were up to women abortion would be illegal in almost every state, with a few blue states allowing some form of first trimester.

Posted by: Black JEM at November 13, 2023 11:48 AM (GZYu7)

206 GOP is dead. They just don’t know it yet

Posted by: Ex GOP at November 13, 2023 11:49 AM (no9hC)

207 If you guys really want to bitch consider the Redskin's offensive line.

Posted by: Puddinhead

Yep.

Posted by: G. A. Custer at November 13, 2023 11:49 AM (hCzfy)

208 You are never going to get rid of any sort of assistance for poor women and babies. Ever.

It’s also a life sentence to poverty and welfare for a single mother. Also a Democrat voter for life.

I’m just pointing out human nature, people instinctively understand it’s bad for society to have millions of unwanted babies that can’t be taken care of.

It’s evil, but we need to stop pretending the “skanky ho murderer” tactic is going to win the day.

Posted by: Equate at November 13, 2023 11:49 AM (PDIUS)

209 Conservatives for 50 years: overturn Roe so it becomes a state issue

Now after Roe: fuck those states for deciding individually to keep abortion legal

Posted by: Montec at November 13, 2023 11:49 AM (P5BwU)

210 Forced to have a baby is being adult?

If you're "adult" enough to engage in promiscuous, unprotected sex, than you are adult enough to foresee the consequences of your actions, and to care for a child (or put it up for adoption), if it comes to that.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 13, 2023 11:50 AM (JrojV)

211 It's an emotional decision...one men need to stop making for women. Women can decide what's best for them.
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That's the problem. These grotesque narcissists are choosing what's best for them without regard to the interests of their child, which should take absolute priority over any interest of theirs.

Posted by: Methos at November 13, 2023 11:50 AM (Dnobf)

212 From a purely political standpoint every conservative should be pro choice. Democrats overwhelmingly are the ones who have abortions.

Posted by: Montec at November 13, 2023 11:50 AM (P5BwU)

213 Ok - this is the most fucking stupid comment I've ever seen on this board.

"Wut?!"
-- Sid and Raimondo

Posted by: Oddbob at November 13, 2023 11:51 AM (nfrXX)

214 "Forced to have a baby is being adult?
Posted by: Montec "

If you don't want to have a baby, don't do the things make them.

And if men having unfettered access to women they shouldn't be fucking is a problem, then bring back duennas and chaperones. Make sure no male is ever left alone with a female at any age unless she's his wife.

Posted by: FeatherBlade at November 13, 2023 11:51 AM (ou9hh)

215 196 I believe abortion is murder. I also know that I’m in the minority. People are looking for a legal or political remedy to a moral problem. I don’t think it exists.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at November 13, 2023 11:47 AM (u73oe)

There are some kinds of moral problems, like adultery, that the Gov't really should stay out of. It's wrong, it happens.
When it involves the taking of lives of people, it becomes different. Abortion is one of those issues.
According to most states, unborn babies have the same or fewer rights than antebellum slaves.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 13, 2023 11:51 AM (ynpvh)

216 192 "Many undoubtedly are, some even admit that proudly, but the pro-abortionist strategists always push the edge cases (pregnant 11-year-olds, rape victims, 'health of the mother.')
Posted by: gp Decays To Plage "

The "health of the mother" objection usually involves conflating any or all of the ways to end a viable pregnancy with those methods use to fix an ectopic pregnancy, which is non-viable by definition.

From what I've read that usually involves removing the fallopian tube with which a fertilized egg has fused, not cutting up a live and mostly developed body for parts.
Posted by: FeatherBlade at November 13, 2023 11:46 AM (ou9hh)

This goes back to a post from last week, but Emmie had what I think is a solution: tell the truth.

If Republicans backed a measure to have doctors document, in a HIPAA-compliant way, the actual medical reasons why women abort their babies, and release those results quarterly or annually, the public will see how accurate the rape or incest claims really are. Once they know that it's a vanishingly small percentage of all abortions, that will begin to wake the public up to the truth about the procedures. It worked for smoking.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at November 13, 2023 11:51 AM (venpK)

217 If a Republican 10 years ago, had said, he’s OK with abortion up to 12 weeks, everyone here would call that a pro-choice position.

Thats basically the same abortion laws France has and much of Europe has.

It’s not pro life, it’s a compromise.

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From a campaign rhetoric standpoint, that is because the Dem position was "safe, legal and rare" which led to a bi-partisan bill against late term abortions. Clinton vetoed, but he still took out that position. However, the Court's Roe decision made that a non-issue, because Roe, then Casey, was far more expansive than people thought.

Posted by: SH (no more socks) at November 13, 2023 11:51 AM (sX1BW)

218 If you're "adult" enough to engage in promiscuous, unprotected sex, than you are adult enough to foresee the consequences of your actions, and to care for a child (or put it up for adoption), if it comes to that.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 13, 2023 11:50 AM (JrojV)

Yes it’s well known 15 year olds are mature and think through these things.

Posted by: Montec at November 13, 2023 11:51 AM (P5BwU)

219 Here's the ballot initiative I want to vote for. Very simple language. "This State hereby secedes from the federal Union. Also, suck our balls til you choke on 'em."

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 13, 2023 11:51 AM (0FoWg)

220 Pro-murder rape and torture protesters are apparently blocking turnstiles at a Raytheon facility in SoCal today near where I used to live. Defacing the Raytheon signs even… apparently they didn’t get the memo the protests were supposed to be last week. I don’t like 2023-world…..

Yeah, why would I wanna conserve this? Conservatism circa 1990s style is dead

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at November 13, 2023 11:51 AM (aQIPF)

221 199 RIP.

Report: Donald Trump's sister Maryanne was found dead early Monday morning in her New York home

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter Here at November 13, 2023 11:48 AM (FVME7)

She was 86.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 13, 2023 11:52 AM (ynpvh)

222 "Politicians should concede the abortion issue and publicly support abortion up to X weeks."

What is X weeks? 10 or some non determined number?

If you are a woman and can't figure out you are pregnant within two months-unless you have some medical problem- , you are moronic.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 13, 2023 11:52 AM (RSbhh)

223 There was no - zero, zip, zilch, nada - chance of anyone over than Romney getting to be RNC chair again. She's elected by the other state GOP officials, and there is not one of them that is worth any more than a warm bucket of spit. They owe their jobs to maintaining the status quo, and Romney was going to keep the cash flowing to them.

Back around J6, the RNC gave Trump a choice. Stand down now, or get not a penny in defense when the Dems come after you legally. We know that there was no defense from them coming, but Trump is not going to rock that boat when there was little chance of a competitor succeeding. They still need each other.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at November 13, 2023 11:46 AM (venpK)
==
Probably very true.

He sold out. Like all politicians have to do at times. But part of the sell out is she's his gal. He has to own it whether he likes it or not. And she has been a disaster at winning elections. Which makes you pause to think what is the goal of the GOP "leadership". This is fixed at state level.

Posted by: Black JEM at November 13, 2023 11:52 AM (GZYu7)

224 Want an issue Americans WILL all care about? Fentanyl.

It kills 100,000 Americans a year... 30 times more than 9/11.... and was experimented with by both the US and Russia, as a Chemical weapon.

Yes, chemical weapon... used for crowd control but they found out it was TOO LETHAL.

And yet, somehow it is coming from China, across our southern border, to kill Kids... and NEITHER PARTY IS DOING FUCK ALL ABOUT IT.

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 13, 2023 11:53 AM (xaFKb)

225 211 It's an emotional decision...one men need to stop making for women.....until we decide they have a responsibility to pay 33% of their income for the "woman's decision" for the next 18 years

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at November 13, 2023 11:53 AM (gmL84)

226 203 EVERY ad in PA was pro-killing babies.
Posted by: XTC at November 13, 2023 11:13 AM (UnA8+)

I'll bet it wasn't worded that way.
REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS!

Posted by: Bosk of Port Kar at November 13, 2023 11:48 AM (geB2x)

We don't have the right to Reproduce?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 13, 2023 11:53 AM (ynpvh)

227 There are some kinds of moral problems, like adultery, that the Gov't really should stay out of. It's wrong, it happens.

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The government used to be in the adultery business through the common law. I'm not convinced it should not be in the business somehow.

I.e., the effect of adultery and no-fault divorce.

Posted by: SH (no more socks) at November 13, 2023 11:53 AM (sX1BW)

228 "Ok - this is the most fucking stupid comment I've ever seen on this board."

I'm glad to hand over the crown and scepter to the new #1.

Posted by: gp Decays To Plage at November 13, 2023 11:54 AM (MvF+J)

229 Great post.

Though I do see some difficulty in gathering signatures to put the issue on the ballot. Not because these measures aren't popular, but because the Dems would send their shock-troops to physically harass the petition gatherers and signers. We would need a small army of volunteers just to protect the little old ladies who are soliciting the signatures.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at November 13, 2023 11:54 AM (fs1hN)

230 218 Yes it’s well known 15 year olds are mature and think through these things.
Posted by: Montec at November 13, 2023 11:51 AM (P5BwU)

There needs to be a way to leave people who don't want to grow up and take responsibility with no other choice but to grow up and take responsibility.

Posted by: XTC at November 13, 2023 11:54 AM (UnA8+)

231 Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 13, 2023 11:47 AM (d04cU)

You nailed it. People may not want to read this, but life is a boutique issue. They feel compassionately about it and see abortion as murder. Most people do not, though. Think how you feel about transgenderism, and you are in the majority there. Many if not most view the pro-life position in the same manner, as a weird outlier. To be clear, I do not see the pro-life position at all in the same way as child sexual mutilation, but as a political issue both are losers.

Dobbs was correctly decided. We are now seeing the state responses to it, and that's how it should be. I disagree that every state will enshrine abortion as a right (many loons see it as a sacrament), but the fact is most will. Of course, bans on child sexual mutilation also would pass overwhelmingly in most states but as we know the Left doesn't respect elections results if it allows a free and fair election at all.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at November 13, 2023 11:55 AM (KSNKu)

232 Though I do see some difficulty in gathering signatures to put the issue on the ballot. Not because these measures aren't popular, but because the Dems would send their shock-troops to physically harass the petition gatherers and signers. We would need a small army of volunteers just to protect the little old ladies who are soliciting the signatures.
Posted by: Chuck Martel a

They just connive to throw out the signatures anyway.

Posted by: BruceWayne at November 13, 2023 11:55 AM (CIS44)

233
I've always liked the word antidisestablismentarianism.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 13, 2023 11:39 AM (ynpvh)

Can't say that I'm a fan.

Posted by: The Prince Regent at November 13, 2023 11:55 AM (n+4am)

234 216
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If Republicans backed a measure to have doctors document, in a HIPAA-compliant way, the actual medical reasons why women abort their babies, and release those results quarterly or annually, the public will see how accurate the rape or incest claims really are. Once they know that it's a vanishingly small percentage of all abortions, that will begin to wake the public up to the truth about the procedures. It worked for smoking.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at November 13, 2023 11:51 AM (venpK)

PP hides rapes of minors quite often, even in states where it's mandatory to report.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 13, 2023 11:55 AM (ynpvh)

235 "Ok - this is the most fucking stupid comment I've ever seen on this board."

Which comment was this?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 13, 2023 11:56 AM (JrojV)

236 There needs to be a way to leave people who don't want to grow up and take responsibility with no other choice but to grow up and take responsibility.
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We could tattoo 'MORON' on their forehead. They'd never figure it out. 'NOROM'

Posted by: Puddinhead at November 13, 2023 11:56 AM (dGES5)

237 Damn provocateurs!

https://tinyurl.com/59dkn7uy

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter Here at November 13, 2023 11:56 AM (FVME7)

238 Yes it’s well known 15 year olds are mature and think through these things.
Posted by: Montec at November 13, 2023 11:51 AM (P5BwU)

They have been made to believe abortion is just another form of birth control so no problem.

Posted by: Drive by at November 13, 2023 11:56 AM (MNhXM)

239 The government loves abortion. They give a person the right to kill your baby. That way, they don't have to do it themselves. And they can wash their hands of it. "Well, it was Suzie's decision."

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at November 13, 2023 11:56 AM (OPFAz)

240 "I've always liked the word antidisestablismentarianism."

Is that the Icelandic volcano in the news?

Posted by: gp Decays To Plage at November 13, 2023 11:56 AM (MvF+J)

241 We could tattoo 'MORON' on their forehead. They'd never figure it out. 'NOROM'
Posted by: Puddinhead at

Have you seen the zoomers, they will do this themselves.

Posted by: BruceWayne at November 13, 2023 11:57 AM (CIS44)

242 222 "Politicians should concede the abortion issue and publicly support abortion up to X weeks."

What is X weeks? 10 or some non determined number?

If you are a woman and can't figure out you are pregnant within two months-unless you have some medical problem- , you are moronic.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 13, 2023 11:52 AM (RSbhh)

"I don't know how this could have happened!"--some women on talk shows talking about their pregnancies

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 13, 2023 11:57 AM (ynpvh)

243
There needs to be a way to leave people who don't want to grow up and take responsibility with no other choice but to grow up and take responsibility.
Posted by: XTC at November 13, 2023 11:54 AM (UnA8+)

Dude. Seriously? So the 15 year old who gets pregnant has her life ruined as well as her kid’s life ruined just to make a point.

And you wonder why the GOP is getting its ass handed to it on abortion every single time.

JFC.

Posted by: Montec at November 13, 2023 11:57 AM (P5BwU)

244 Their baby.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at November 13, 2023 11:57 AM (OPFAz)

245 "We all need to wallow in a gutter of infanticidal savagery, so our gang of closeted homosexual sneakthieves can pretend to wield illusory power in our irredeemably corrupt government" is not a compelling argument. Sorry.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 13, 2023 11:58 AM (0FoWg)

246 243 And you wonder why the GOP is getting its ass handed to it on abortion every single time.

JFC.
Posted by: Montec at November 13, 2023 11:57 AM (P5BwU)

No, I don't wonder.

But Responsibility is Principle Number One.

If we can't have that, we don't deserve anything.

Posted by: XTC at November 13, 2023 11:58 AM (UnA8+)

247 Dude. Seriously? So the 15 year old who gets pregnant has her life ruined as well as her kid’s life ruined just to make a point.

Having a child ruins your life?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at November 13, 2023 11:58 AM (gmL84)

248 Yes it’s well known 15 year olds are mature and think through these things.

Posted by: Montec at November 13, 2023 11:51 AM (P5BwU)
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Yep. They aren't . Which is why society used to put limits on what they did alone. I realize that was never perfect, but that was the societal response. Now, most abortions I think are morning after pills. And most are women in their 20s if you can believe the pharmacy stats. I think there may still be more physical abortions in urban blue shithole hellscapes where the whole notion of family formation and economic opportunity are screwed up, but I've seen less hard data on that one.

Posted by: Black JEM at November 13, 2023 11:58 AM (GZYu7)

249 232 Though I do see some difficulty in gathering signatures to put the issue on the ballot. Not because these measures aren't popular, but because the Dems would send their shock-troops to physically harass the petition gatherers and signers. We would need a small army of volunteers just to protect the little old ladies who are soliciting the signatures.
Posted by: Chuck Martel a

They just connive to throw out the signatures anyway.

Posted by: BruceWayne at November 13, 2023 11:55 AM (CIS44)

See my comment #72

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 13, 2023 11:59 AM (ynpvh)

250 Yes, chemical weapon... used for crowd control but they found out it was TOO LETHAL.

And yet, somehow it is coming from China, across our southern border, to kill Kids... and NEITHER PARTY IS DOING FUCK ALL ABOUT IT.
Posted by: Romeo13

Fentanyl laced Mexican brown heroin killed at least two young men (sons of people I worked with).
Forget all that Percoset and Percodan nonsense and over prescribing.
Obama started this when he was President, and opened the gates to the Cartels, because he and other Democrats were PAID for it.
Donald Trump tried to slow this down, but now Biden the Decrepit has allowed them to put the pedal to the metal and accelerate this.

Posted by: A face in the crowd..... at November 13, 2023 11:59 AM (vcOmj)

251 245 "We all need to wallow in a gutter of infanticidal savagery, so our gang of closeted homosexual sneakthieves can pretend to wield illusory power in our irredeemably corrupt government" is not a compelling argument. Sorry.
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Doesn't fit on a Tee Shirt.

Posted by: Puddinhead at November 13, 2023 11:59 AM (dGES5)

252 Restorationists. Not terrible. Conservatism has been trash for 80 years.

Also, OH his not a Red state. I lived there. The reddest are big government socialists who will never stop the flow of gibzmedats that they think they deserve.

Posted by: insurgens ad opus at November 13, 2023 11:59 AM (h5Eh3)

253 Obama started this when he was President, and opened the gates to the Cartels, because he and other Democrats were PAID for it.
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Did you think that $450M came from NetFlix?

Posted by: Puddinhead at November 13, 2023 12:00 PM (dGES5)

254 240 "I've always liked the word antidisestablismentarianism."

Is that the Icelandic volcano in the news?

Posted by: gp Decays To Plage at November 13, 2023 11:56 AM (MvF+J)

Or a town in Wales.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 13, 2023 12:00 PM (ynpvh)

255 PP hides rapes of minors quite often, even in states where it's mandatory to report.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 13, 2023 11:55 AM (ynpvh)
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Frequently because in reality it was incest.

Posted by: Black JEM at November 13, 2023 12:00 PM (GZYu7)

256 Forced to have a baby is being adult?
Posted by: Montec at November 13, 2023 11:45 AM (P5BwU)

Facing the consequences of your own decisions is the DEFINITION of being an adult.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at November 13, 2023 12:00 PM (zjgNU)

257 Also, Americans have suffered nearly enough. Things will continue getting worse.

Posted by: insurgens ad opus at November 13, 2023 12:00 PM (h5Eh3)

258 Dude. Seriously? So the 15 year old who gets pregnant has her life ruined as well as her kid’s life ruined just to make a point.

Who says her life is necessarily ruined? If she has parents and family, they can help her. Maybe she could even get the father (if she knows who it is) to step up and help care for the child.

You seem to agree with the pro-aborts that pregnancy and children are some kind of curse.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 13, 2023 12:00 PM (JrojV)

259 Having a child ruins your life?

Posted by: Bitter Clinge

At 15? Absolutely.

Posted by: Montec at November 13, 2023 12:00 PM (P5BwU)

260 "The problem with blight is that it spreads. We might be better off figuring out how to fortify those successful communities so that when our own shitholes collapse, they don't take everyone with them.
Posted by: Grudge Harbor at November 13, 2023 11:46 AM (hCzfy)"

A defensive posture is insufficient unless you figure the collapse itself is enough of an offense. But that's probably moot since we have now entered the phase where they put the screws on us, with the theory that if we don't fight back they win, and if we do fight back it gives them an excuse to move to the next (more open) step.

No amount of dicking around with voting is going to alter or prevent what is coming.

Posted by: somedood at November 13, 2023 12:01 PM (oL+dz)

261 246 243 And you wonder why the GOP is getting its ass handed to it on abortion every single time.

JFC.
Posted by: Montec at November 13, 2023 11:57 AM (P5BwU)

No, I don't wonder.

But Responsibility is Principle Number One.

If we can't have that, we don't deserve anything.

Posted by: XTC at November 13, 2023 11:58 AM (UnA8+)

Which founder said the Constitution was meant for a Moral People?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 13, 2023 12:01 PM (ynpvh)

262 Sneakthieves would be a good name for a punk rock band.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at November 13, 2023 12:01 PM (u73oe)

263 If you have to sell your soul to "win", then you haven't won anything.

You've just eternally damned yourself to Hell.

Posted by: XTC at November 13, 2023 12:01 PM (UnA8+)

264 You know, if the Redskins could bring in two remarkably big guys and call them guards their offensive line would be improved.

Posted by: Puddinhead at November 13, 2023 12:01 PM (dGES5)

265 Referendums are mob rule. I wish the Constitution had prohibited them.

Posted by: Jake Speed at November 13, 2023 12:02 PM (Vu1jV)

266 Got most of old compost out of the bin

Posted by: Skip at November 13, 2023 12:02 PM (fwDg9)

267 Having a child ruins your life?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger

At 15? Absolutely.
Posted by: Montec

You're an ass.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 13, 2023 12:02 PM (JrojV)

268 Dude. Seriously? So the 15 year old who gets pregnant has her life ruined as well as her kid’s life ruined just to make a point.

Do you have a newsletter?

Posted by: Planned Parenthood at November 13, 2023 12:02 PM (V8he0)

269 This is depressing... I'm beginning to think I'm out of touch with what society accepts and expects....

Posted by: It's me donna at November 13, 2023 12:02 PM (bs+z0)

270 After Dobbs, this is how it is supposed to play out - by allowing individual states decide. I have no issue with the process. I believe abortion is murder and those people who support it have dammed their eternal souls; however, it is the right of the people of a state to decide.

Posted by: Archer at November 13, 2023 12:02 PM (gmo/4)

271 252 Restorationists. Not terrible. Conservatism has been trash for 80 years.

Also, OH his not a Red state. I lived there. The reddest are big government socialists who will never stop the flow of gibzmedats that they think they deserve.

Posted by: insurgens ad opus at November 13, 2023 11:59 AM (h5Eh3)

had to look up gibsmedats...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 13, 2023 12:02 PM (ynpvh)

272
If you are a woman and can't figure out you are pregnant within two months-unless you have some medical problem- , you are moronic.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 13, 2023 11:52 AM (RSbhh)

How about the 12 or 13 year old girl having sex who has yet to have her first period? The very first egg drops, she's pregnant and she's not expecting a period because it never happened before.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at November 13, 2023 12:02 PM (enJYY)

273 Ohio went Trump by almost 10 points. It’s a red state.

If you can’t win on the abortion issue there, it’s clearly a political loser

Abortion is also what gave the Democratic governor the win in Kentucky. Which is even more red than Ohio.

Democrats are gonna start flipping red states over this issue.

Posted by: Equate at November 13, 2023 12:03 PM (PDIUS)

274 Forced to have a baby is being adult?
Posted by: Montec at November 13, 2023 11:45 AM (P5BwU)
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No one forces you to have a baby. You just have one. This is the biggest "Der hur!" logical fallacy in the world.

Having sex is being an adult, so yes, having babies as a natural consequence is also being an adult. For many, it's the first adult thing they've ever done.

Posted by: insurgens ad opus at November 13, 2023 12:03 PM (h5Eh3)

275 Frequently because in reality it was incest.
Posted by: Black JEM at November 13, 2023 12:00 PM (GZYu7)
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I doubt it. I am sure it happens, but I would be surprised if it's the majority of cases. I would bet that "this kid I'm whoring out got knocked up" outnumbers "I accidentally knocked up my niece or daughter" by a pretty wide margin.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 13, 2023 12:03 PM (d04cU)

276 Doesn't fit on a Tee Shirt.
Posted by: Puddinhead at November 13, 2023 11:59 AM (dGES5)

You know what would fit on a Tee Shirt? A pic of that guy in Panama, holding his pistol, with the text: "How to make a Good Communist."

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 13, 2023 12:03 PM (jOd3I)

277 nood

Posted by: gp Decays To Plage at November 13, 2023 12:03 PM (MvF+J)

278
You seem to agree with the pro-aborts that pregnancy and children are some kind of curse.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 13, 2023 12:00 PM (JrojV)

Bullshit. I have kids. But I had them when I was financially and mentally ready to have them. At 15 or 16 or he’ll even 18 or 19 having kids is going to be a disaster. For both the mother and the baby.

And yes I know someone’s grandparents had kids at 18 and were happily married for 60 years. There’s always the exception.

I

Posted by: Montec at November 13, 2023 12:03 PM (P5BwU)

279 Nobody is trying to take away your ability to murder your unborn child. What they are trying to do is set limits and conditions that on what is reasonable to protect the most vulnerable amongst us.

Remember that phrase- "if it saves just one life"?

Like it or not as a society we have a moral obligation to protect the unborn. This is about what that obligation is. Unfortunately, Democrats have been successful in saying that Republicans want to take away that "right". Which is not true. What they want to do is set reasonable limits and provide alternatives to terminating a child. If you look at the poll breakdowns, a clear majority don't support abortion up until birth. They also agree there should be reasonable limits. But as usual, the GOP fails for make simple arguments, have a strategy, and execute on that strategy in a clear and concise way that achieves its goal.

One more reason to completely wipe incompetent relics who have run a losing playbook for the GOP, I'm looking at you Rona and consultants, from the earth.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 13, 2023 12:03 PM (2hOms)

280 We could fit the skanks with chastity belts.

Posted by: Puddinhead at November 13, 2023 12:04 PM (dGES5)

281 At 15? Absolutely.

Posted by: Montec at November 13, 2023 12:00 PM (P5BwU)

That's a worldview gap we'll never likely bridge.

I wouldn't trade my child for all the riches or the world, the wildest adventures or anything else.

In fact, I consider my child to be my treasure and the best adventure I could ever take.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at November 13, 2023 12:04 PM (gmL84)

282 And this thread amply demonstrates why Abortion is a loosing issue for Repubs.

If you can divide the HORDE at this level....

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 13, 2023 12:04 PM (xaFKb)

283
Want an issue Americans WILL all care about? Fentanyl.

It kills 100,000 Americans a year... 30 times more than 9/11.... and was experimented with by both the US and Russia, as a Chemical weapon.

Yes, chemical weapon... used for crowd control but they found out it was TOO LETHAL.

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 13, 2023 11:53 AM (xaFKb)

This was the shit that the Russians pumped into the HVAC system, killing a bunch of the hostages in the Moscow theater hostage crisis about 20 years ago.

But they DID kill all the Chechen terrorists, so there's that.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 13, 2023 12:04 PM (n+4am)

284 259 Having a child ruins your life?

Posted by: Bitter Clinge

At 15? Absolutely.

Posted by: Montec at November 13, 2023 12:00 PM (P5BwU)

Sounds more like having sex as a 15-year-old child can ruin one's life...
What about the STDs? They can STERILIZE.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 13, 2023 12:04 PM (ynpvh)

285 How about the 12 or 13 year old girl having sex who has yet to have her first period? The very first egg drops, she's pregnant and she's not expecting a period because it never happened before.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at November 13, 2023 12:02 PM (enJYY)
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Alright - we have a need for the most obscure rationale for allowing something to happen.

Posted by: Black JEM at November 13, 2023 12:04 PM (GZYu7)

286 Abortion is also what gave the Democratic governor the win in Kentucky. Which is even more red than Ohio.

Democrats are gonna start flipping red states over this issue.
Posted by: Equate at November 13, 2023 12:03 PM (PDIUS)
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Socialism is a winning political issue. At some point, you must draw a line.

Posted by: insurgens ad opus at November 13, 2023 12:04 PM (h5Eh3)

287 "Frequently because in reality it was incest.
Posted by: Black JEM "

Does it actually count as incest if it was the minor's mother's third new boyfriend that month?

Posted by: FeatherBlade at November 13, 2023 12:04 PM (ou9hh)

288
Which founder said the Constitution was meant for a Moral People?
Posted by: jim
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“Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” - John Adams

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 13, 2023 12:04 PM (XeU6L)

289 Dude. Seriously? So the 15 year old who gets pregnant has her life ruined as well as her kid’s life ruined just to make a point——-

Dozens of adoptive organizations out there and thousands of childless couples looking to make a family.

That said, If a machine was invented that you could transfer the fetus in to mature for adoption rather than have it aborted the pro abortion people would be against it.

Posted by: Drive by at November 13, 2023 12:05 PM (MNhXM)

290 Yes it’s well known 15 year olds are mature and think through these things.
Posted by: Montec

Yet in one more year they are legally allowed to pilot a 5,000 lb missile.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 13, 2023 12:06 PM (X98Jy)

291 Posted by: Archer at November 13, 2023 12:02 PM (gmo/4)

This. It is fun to watch the Left embrace federalism, which they will deny for every issue they support.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at November 13, 2023 12:06 PM (KSNKu)

292 272
If you are a woman and can't figure out you are pregnant within two months-unless you have some medical problem- , you are moronic.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 13, 2023 11:52 AM (RSbhh)

How about the 12 or 13 year old girl having sex who has yet to have her first period? The very first egg drops, she's pregnant and she's not expecting a period because it never happened before.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at November 13, 2023 12:02 PM (enJYY)

and 12 and 13 year-olds are having unprotected sex in droves? Most cases, I believe, are incest at that age and younger. Or pedophilia.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 13, 2023 12:06 PM (ynpvh)

293 Yet in one more year they are legally allowed to pilot a 5,000 lb missile.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 13, 2023 12:06 PM (X98Jy)

And in 3, they can kill foreigners at the behest of politicians.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at November 13, 2023 12:07 PM (gmL84)

294 And yes I know someone’s grandparents had kids at 18 and were happily married for 60 years. There’s always the exception.

I

Posted by: Montec at November 13, 2023 12:03 PM (P5BwU)
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That was a pretty large cohort. But that was during a different time than today. If you start re-aligning post HS activity away from 4 year colleges it will actually start moving back in that direction, but life is much more complicated today. You do realize that most abortions do not involve kids up to age 18 though. Coitus as an activity for youth has been falling rather dramatically in recent years.

Posted by: Black JEM at November 13, 2023 12:07 PM (GZYu7)

295 You know, if the Redskins could bring in two remarkably big guys and call them guards their offensive line would be improved.
Posted by: Puddinhead at November 13, 2023 12:01 PM (dGES5)

I’m just glad you call them Redskins…. That’s what they’ll always be to me. Their new unis and nickname stinks

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at November 13, 2023 12:07 PM (aQIPF)

296 And in 3, they can kill foreigners at the behest of politicians.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger

But they can't drink a fucking beer because they aren't mature enough.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 13, 2023 12:08 PM (X98Jy)

297 288
Which founder said the Constitution was meant for a Moral People?
Posted by: jim
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“Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” - John Adams

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 13, 2023 12:04 PM (XeU6L)

And that is EXACTLY how the left has dismantled it; by making an amoral, areligious people.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 13, 2023 12:08 PM (ynpvh)

298 “and 12 and 13 year-olds are having unprotected sex in droves? ”

Maybe not in droves but a lot more often than you think. Lots of peeps still live in a Leave it to Beaver world.

Posted by: Montec at November 13, 2023 12:08 PM (P5BwU)

299 Does it actually count as incest if it was the minor's mother's third new boyfriend that month?

Posted by: FeatherBlade at November 13, 2023 12:04 PM (ou9hh)
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Haha! Well played. But given common law marriage reality these days, probably yes.

Posted by: Black JEM at November 13, 2023 12:08 PM (GZYu7)

300 15 Did the GOP run any ads opposing the baby-killing amendment? Did any of its candidates in Ohio make opposition to it part of their campaign?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 13, 2023 11:07 AM (JrojV)

The Dems raised a ton more money for ads (no doubt, dark money) and ran ads of young girls raped and who got pregnant. Did the Republicans run any ads of women that had abortions that regretted having one?

Posted by: ziggggeeee at November 13, 2023 12:11 PM (AsMdZ)

301 298 “and 12 and 13 year-olds are having unprotected sex in droves? ”

Maybe not in droves but a lot more often than you think. Lots of peeps still live in a Leave it to Beaver world.

Posted by: Montec at November 13, 2023 12:08 PM (P5BwU)

Looking through genealogy...
Came across an ancestor who's wife (my ancestor) died, remarried a widow with kids of her own.
One of his sons (22--not an ancestor) got his step-daughter (14) pregnant. Those two were married (the kid was born later that month). That's one way they used to "solve" that problem.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 13, 2023 12:12 PM (ynpvh)

302 The ones that really want an abortion, are usually the ones that really should be having an abortion is the unfortunate truth.

Teenagers get knocked up all the time, look at Sarah Palins daughter.

Society doesn’t want this and that’s why they are reluctant to outlaw abortion.

Nobody is saying you shouldn’t think abortion is wrong, just that it’s not gonna be outlawed.

Posted by: Equate at November 13, 2023 12:12 PM (PDIUS)

303 302 The ones that really want an abortion, are usually the ones that really should be having an abortion is the unfortunate truth.

Teenagers get knocked up all the time, look at Sarah Palins daughter.

Society doesn’t want this and that’s why they are reluctant to outlaw abortion.

Nobody is saying you shouldn’t think abortion is wrong, just that it’s not gonna be outlawed.

Posted by: Equate at November 13, 2023 12:12 PM (PDIUS)

And if society doesn't want to take care of toddlers and old folks? Should infanticide and euthanasia be rationalized? Some "ethicists" seem to think so. Canada seems to believe, at least in the case of euthanasia, that it's a-okay.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 13, 2023 12:14 PM (ynpvh)

304 Good luck, legislating a sin free world.

Posted by: Equate at November 13, 2023 12:16 PM (PDIUS)

305
and 12 and 13 year-olds are having unprotected sex in droves? Most cases, I believe, are incest at that age and younger. Or pedophilia.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 13, 2023 12:06 PM

Young African American females are getting their first periods at astonishingly young ages. With that come secondary sexual characteristics like boobs. Believe or not guys like boobs. Or so I've heard. Here. Almost daily.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at November 13, 2023 12:17 PM (enJYY)

306 Good luck, legislating a sin free world.

Posted by: Equate at November 13, 2023 12:16 PM (PDIUS)

You need to abort you strawbaby.

Posted by: Drive by at November 13, 2023 12:22 PM (MNhXM)

307 306 Good luck, legislating a sin free world.

Posted by: Equate at November 13, 2023 12:16 PM (PDIUS)

You need to abort you strawbaby.

Posted by: Drive by at November 13, 2023 12:22 PM (MNhXM)

And seems to ignore what I wrote in comment # 215.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 13, 2023 12:28 PM (ynpvh)

308 Bloody Kansas

Posted by: Braenyard at November 13, 2023 12:29 PM (Wj/z9)

309 284 What about the STDs? They can STERILIZE.

*takes notes*

Posted by: dalek 348 at November 13, 2023 12:31 PM (oY6Yp)

310 Agents posting in these parts.

Posted by: DOYLE at November 13, 2023 12:37 PM (Z8Yh2)

311 Maybe it's much less about abortion than people having had enough of government control over their lives. The totalitarian scamdemic / vaccine mandate is still pretty fresh in some or our minds.

Posted by: TakeFive at November 13, 2023 01:22 PM (4DupB)

312 131 On the abortion issue, that is very depressing to contemplate. I don't know what to do about it.

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Take comfort in knowing that science and morality are on your side. What happened in OH sucks, but Texas has done a good job reducing abortion. Start by taking the wins you can get, such as eliminate abortions in 3rd trimester - better yet - eliminate after 1st if you can. Move the window in your direction.
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Precisely. I know that some of my fellow pro-lifers would consider it compromising on evil, but issues like this are long term battles. Roe took close to 50 years to overturn. Look how long it took to abolish slavery. Every small step forward saves babies. Take the Ws.

Posted by: Dr. Mabuse at November 13, 2023 01:28 PM (uY1j2)

313 This was tried in CA in the 1990s. The courts just invalidated the initiatives and eventually it ran out of steam.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 13, 2023 02:17 PM (eoQWY)

314 We need to push harder. Pro-deathers get away with muttering about 'cells' while supporting decapitating newborns with one toe in the womb. They bring up "for the safety of the mother" as if there has ever been a single pro-life law, ever, which retracted self defense rights.

We have a generation of GOPe candidates who know they have today their prolife, but can't even formulate what that means.

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