DeSantis to Biden: Take Your Environmental-Panic "Inflation Reduction Act" Money and Stick It Up Your Ass

"Managed Principal" and RINO globalist, yo!

President Joe Biden is offering one of his White House challengers hundreds of millions of dollars to spend in his state. The only problem: that opponent is refusing to take it.
The Inflation Reduction Act makes Florida eligible for some $350 million in energy efficiency incentives. But Gov. Ron DeSantis has rejected the funding and other measures, creating the most prominent blockade by any Republican governor against Biden's economic agenda.
And there's nothing the White House can do besides hope he changes his mind.
The rejection has the potential to create significant ripple effects, politically and economically, in the coming months. As the president and his Cabinet members go around the country boasting about the IRA, rebates for energy-efficient purchases -- the majority of the funding that DeSantis has refused -- have played a particularly prominent role. That's not just because they underpin the administration's climate agenda but because they provide direct rebates to consumers.
DeSantis says he will halt campaigning during Hurricane Idalia
The IRA allows governors the authority to block a handful of its programs, and with it, the power to blunt the political impact of legislation that some Democrats believe will be a key factor in the 2024 election.
Through a veto of his legislature's request, DeSantis turned down $5 million to set up the rebate program for consumers who buy energy efficient appliances and retrofit their homes. It also effectively blocked $341 million to fund the program because the state would need the administrative money to apply for the program, according to people familiar with Florida's budget process. However, federal Energy Department rules allow a state to accept the second pot of money even if they don't take the first. If Florida doesn't apply for the full $346 million by next August, the law allows DOE to provide Florida's money to other states.
The governor also rejected $3 million in IRA funds to help the state fight pollution and rebuffed the Solar for All program which would have paid to help low-income people access solar panels. DeSantis also vetoed $24 million in grants from the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law.

Since this is stirring the hornet's nest anyway: The AP and the left are accusing DeSantis of complicity in the recent racial shooting. They're claiming he essentially programmed the killer to kill.

So don't bother answering because this is purely rhetorical question: Where is Trump's "strong statement" defending DeSantis? Every single time Trump steps in shit it is claimed that DeSantis -- who does defend Trump every single time -- wasn't "strong enough" in his support.

So I have to wonder: Where is Trump's strong statement defending DeSantis from this defamation? Where is any Trump statement on the matter?

Let's face it, Trump is more likely to retweet an MSNBC hit-piece on DeSantis repeating the racism slur than he is to issue any statement against it.

I would advise DeSantis to stop defending Trump, period. I'm going to stop doing so myself. If Trump offers nothing but contempt and insults for anyone but his most enthusiastic supporters, then that's what we'll be offering to Trump in return.

Respect is a street that runs in both directions, guys. You cannot keep demanding that respect can only flow in Trump's direction and that Trump and his supporters have no reciprocal obligation to show respect to their... I would say "rivals" but I sure feel like we're treated as Blood Enemies.

Posted by: Ace at 02:54 PM

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1 Sup

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at August 31, 2023 02:55 PM (eHYob)

2 2

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at August 31, 2023 02:55 PM (eHYob)

3 Trifecta

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at August 31, 2023 02:55 PM (eHYob)

4 top five

Posted by: gnats local 678 at August 31, 2023 02:55 PM (B1FKF)

5 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 31, 2023 02:56 PM (Zz0t1)

6 DeSantis SuperPAC folds. Founder flips to Trump per Bo Snerdley’s Twitter account.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at August 31, 2023 02:56 PM (eHYob)

7 sponge and i nooddled, in that order

Posted by: gnats local 678 at August 31, 2023 02:57 PM (B1FKF)

8 The governor also rejected $3 million in IRA funds to help the state fight pollution and rebuffed the Solar for All program which would have paid to help low-income people access solar panels.

And if there's one thing that concerns the poors, it's whether or not they have solar panels.

*rolls eyes*

Posted by: Archimedes at August 31, 2023 02:57 PM (I/Qkd)

9 Yo!

Posted by: Yo! at August 31, 2023 02:57 PM (OZjDX)

10 More and more states need to reject federal dollars and become self-sufficient entities. The federal money is how the government gets its hooks into you. Every time.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 31, 2023 02:57 PM (YIVH2)

11 The governor also rejected $3 million in IRA funds to help the state fight pollution and rebuffed the Solar for All program which would have paid to help low-income people access solar panels. DeSantis also vetoed $24 million in grants from the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law.

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If there's a hope for the future at the state level, it's states refusing federal money.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 31, 2023 02:57 PM (LvTSG)

12 How very desanctimonius!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 31, 2023 02:58 PM (63Dwl)

13 Ace, love your work, but Desantis hired establishment advisors and committed political suicide. Plus he’s made a number of errors part of which includes deciding to listen to those advisors—his calls.

Posted by: DavidH at August 31, 2023 02:59 PM (I0pC+)

14 Good for DeSantis.. That being said I'll check back later because I have the feeling this is gonna be a Trump vs DeSantis free for all

Posted by: It's me donna at August 31, 2023 02:59 PM (bs+z0)

15 Uh...guys 20+ points down in the polls don't get to make demands. And I'm not sure turning down federal money that...you know...might actually HELP his own citizens is exactly the boss move you make it out to be.

It's always interesting when smart people like Ace let their emotions run away with them. I mean, what has Ron DeSantis done to warrant this sort of fanboyism? I mean, compared to what Trump has accomplished?

Posted by: MBunge at August 31, 2023 02:59 PM (2tWdQ)

16 14 Good for DeSantis.. That being said I'll check back later because I have the feeling this is gonna be a Trump vs DeSantis free for all
Posted by: It's me donna at August 31, 2023 02:59 PM (bs+z0)

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I predict it'll be a movie thread before we get to 100.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 31, 2023 02:59 PM (LvTSG)

17 Pair this with DeSantis's recent statement that "you loot, we shoot," and I'm starting to wonder where the rumors that DeSantis was a globalist plant started.

"Fuck your federal money and the strings with which it comes" and "you loot, we shoot" aren't exactly GOPe platitudes.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at August 31, 2023 02:59 PM (/nCD+)

18 Respect runs two ways, guys. You cannot keep demanding that respect can only flow in Trump's direction and that Trump and his supporters have no reciprocal obligation to show respect to their... I would say "rivals" but I sure feel like we're treated as Blood Enemies.

Posted by Ace at 03:54 PM Comments

You're not wrong here. I think what DeSantis is doing can have very important positive long-term consequences. Just because the government is offering you money doesn't mean you have to take it.

I haven't been a fan of his POTUS candidacy, but RDS is proving that he's - by far - the best governor in the country.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at August 31, 2023 02:59 PM (/iWhV)

19 i presume desantis turned down money that would have financed putting up hundreds of clean electric producing wind turbines along the gulf coast. they have wind there, you know

Posted by: gnats local 678 at August 31, 2023 02:59 PM (B1FKF)

20 Ramaswamy is DA MAN!!!!!!

Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at August 31, 2023 02:59 PM (5AVMW)

21 I'm not understanding why DeSantis rejected the money. Were there strings attached, i.e. some ESG requirements or something?

Posted by: kallisto at August 31, 2023 02:59 PM (8ON7U)

22 That being said I'll check back later because I have the feeling this is gonna be a Trump vs DeSantis free for all

So, about that Civil War...

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 31, 2023 03:00 PM (xTRSc)

23 R-E-S-P-E-C-T
Find out what it means to me
R-E-S-P-E-C-T

Posted by: redridinghood at August 31, 2023 03:00 PM (NpAcC)

24 "What am I bid for these fine almost unused votes?" - FJB

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 31, 2023 03:00 PM (XQKub)

25 I don't get outta bed for less than 6 inches

Posted by: Amber Heard at August 31, 2023 03:01 PM (us2H3)

26 the law allows DOE to provide Florida's money to other states.
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Gavin Newsom and Kathy Hochul perk up.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 31, 2023 03:01 PM (XQKub)

27 I like DeSantis. I’d be happy to vote for him given the opportunity. He’s definitely at his best when he’s in Florida doing governor things. Once he starts to campaign, however, it’s like he disappears. Why?

I worry that he’s fallen into the consultant trap. There’s only so many campaign “experts” to go around and probably 95% of them are GOPe grifters. I hope he can find a way to deal with that issue, because those dorks will load him up with Pence level advice.

Posted by: Green Bubble Raincoated Man at August 31, 2023 03:01 PM (57Y3/)

28 21 I'm not understanding why DeSantis rejected the money. Were there strings attached, i.e. some ESG requirements or something?
Posted by: kallisto at August 31, 2023 02:59 PM (8ON7U)

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All federal money has strings. All of it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 31, 2023 03:01 PM (LvTSG)

29 So now we get news stories for the next few years:

"Hurricane hits Florida unexpectedly, women and minorities hardest hit. DeSantis controversially refused to accept money from the federal government that would have stopped the hurricane."

as opposed to

"Hypocrite Ron DeSantis claims to be for small government. But he went to the federal government with his hands out to get hundreds of millions of dollars for Florida."

It really is a no win scenario with our media.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 31, 2023 03:01 PM (mj0Qp)

30 DeSantis.

If he's good enough for the Bush's, he's good enough for me!

F*ck that Trump asshole. The Bush's hate him, so he MUST be bad.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 31, 2023 03:01 PM (Zz0t1)

31 Anybody wants to know who programmed the JAX killer? The programmers were above state level.

Posted by: Eromero at August 31, 2023 03:01 PM (z3WCn)

32 I don't get outta bed for less than 6 inches
Posted by: Amber Heard at August 31, 2023 03:01 PM (us2H3)

And when Amber does get out of bed, she leaves six inches in there.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at August 31, 2023 03:02 PM (ppBhU)

33 curley: hey, gimme back my nickel!
moe: here's five! (slap)

biden: i remember telling curley to say 'nyuk nyuk and not 'yuk yuk.' my word as a jellyfish

Posted by: gnats local 678 at August 31, 2023 03:02 PM (B1FKF)

34 But his donors, Ace.

His. Donors.

Posted by: Dr. T at August 31, 2023 03:02 PM (bhRsz)

35 Will this lead other govenors (red states) to also not accept support?

Interesting and bold new strategy of not accepting federal funds.

Where does it lead?

Posted by: SH (But Prefer Clark Griswold) at August 31, 2023 03:02 PM (sX1BW)

36 Wait...Florida still exists?

The science was settled...most of Florida would be underwater by now.

And...you aren't a science denier are you?

Posted by: 18-1 at August 31, 2023 03:03 PM (lc5cP)

37 You're not wrong here. I think what DeSantis is doing can have very important positive long-term consequences. Just because the government is offering you money doesn't mean you have to take it.

I haven't been a fan of his POTUS candidacy, but RDS is proving that he's - by far - the best governor in the country.
Posted by: Darrell Harris

The best part is there is a proven track record of other Red Govs following his lead on things so this move may portend some good stuff in this regard

Posted by: BruceWayne at August 31, 2023 03:03 PM (CIS44)

38 28 21 I'm not understanding why DeSantis rejected the money. Were there strings attached, i.e. some ESG requirements or something?
Posted by: kallisto at August 31, 2023 02:59 PM (8ON7U)

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All federal money has strings. All of it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 31, 2023 03:01 PM (LvTSG)

TANSTAAFL.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at August 31, 2023 03:03 PM (/iWhV)

39 Desantis needs to actually take some swings at Trump. Pin trumpflation on him. And Biden pretty much been Trump's 2nd term based on his nominees

Posted by: HowardDevore at August 31, 2023 03:03 PM (qL6ZR)

40 Just because the government is offering you money doesn't mean you have to take it.
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The government takes money away from taxpayers, and doles out some of it back to them. After a small fee for shipping, handling, and restocking, of course.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 31, 2023 03:03 PM (XQKub)

41 Aaaand here we go. Lol.

Posted by: Louie 3 fingers at August 31, 2023 03:03 PM (MMe0T)

42 How are we supposed to funnel money to our solar donors if you won't take these tax dollars?

Posted by: Joe Biden at August 31, 2023 03:03 PM (iW8nX)

43 meatball coulda been the next Paul Ryan

such a pity

Posted by: Amber Heard at August 31, 2023 03:03 PM (us2H3)

44 Florida still exists?

Not anymore. They replaced it with Rhode Island.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 31, 2023 03:04 PM (xTRSc)

45 10 More and more states need to reject federal dollars and become self-sufficient entities. The federal money is how the government gets its hooks into you. Every time.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 31, 2023 02:57 PM (YIVH2)

Yeah, but here's the thing. The federal government has no money.

So the money they're giving to states is really future money. Financed by bonds.

That people of all 50 states will (hypothetically) have to pay back some day.

So when red states stomp their feet and dont take the money, they're basically endorsing a transfer of money from red states to blue states.

But when they DO take the money, then they're hypocrites. ("I thought you wanted small government, and called climate change a hoax, yet you'll take $500 million for solar panels?!?")

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 31, 2023 03:04 PM (mj0Qp)

46 One day, a state will block reject all Education Department funds, and it will be a great day.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 31, 2023 03:04 PM (LvTSG)

47 The Blond White Booted Girl Boss would kick Trump's ass for dissing Ron.

https://tinyurl.com/ycxjeh28

Posted by: Lost In Space at August 31, 2023 03:04 PM (jlbtb)

48 : Where is Trump's "strong statement" defending DeSantis? Every single time Trump steps in shit it is claimed that DeSantis -- who does defend Trump every single time -- wasn't "strong enough" in his support.

Enough of your S love affair with little d

President Trump to you , not Trump, is busy fighting the entire political communist agenda against him trying to imprison him, if not out right murder him, if little d had any balls he would drop out, as they all should in support of President Trump, who had his Presidency stolen from him and us.

But little d and the rest have no honor

Posted by: Gonzotx at August 31, 2023 03:04 PM (PTKf5)

49 21 I'm not understanding why DeSantis rejected the money. Were there strings attached, i.e. some ESG requirements or something?
Posted by: kallisto at August 31, 2023 02:59 PM (8ON7U)

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All federal money has strings. All of it.

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Suspect there is a political angle to this as well. But sometimes good politics is also good policy.

But DeSantis having to defend his action on this is probably the best campaign strategy for him.

Posted by: SH (But Prefer Clark Griswold) at August 31, 2023 03:05 PM (sX1BW)

50 45 So when red states stomp their feet and dont take the money, they're basically endorsing a transfer of money from red states to blue states.

But when they DO take the money, then they're hypocrites. ("I thought you wanted small government, and called climate change a hoax, yet you'll take $500 million for solar panels?!?")
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 31, 2023 03:04 PM (mj0Qp)

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You're not wrong, but the start needs to be somewhere.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 31, 2023 03:05 PM (LvTSG)

51 I mean would advise DeSantis to stop embarrassing himself with a flailing campaign that can't possibly win at this point, and go home and prepare for 2028.

I think he'd make a great President, but he missed his window, and now his campaign has been SO BAD that he's damaging any chances in future races.

Posted by: DudeAbiding at August 31, 2023 03:05 PM (setIA)

52 All federal money has strings. All of it.

well it would be nice to know what in particular he objected to.

I'm not such a purist that I object to taking fed money in all cases.
If I were, I'd have sent back all the covid stimmies that I"d received.

Posted by: kallisto at August 31, 2023 03:05 PM (8ON7U)

53 Some days I wake up feeling mean too, Ace.

here, the weather forecast for Buenos Aires for August 1 2023, by Eugénia Peréz

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMTseDGd-H4

Posted by: Kindltot at August 31, 2023 03:05 PM (xhaym)

54 You cannot keep demanding that respect can only flow in Trump's direction and that Trump and his supporters have no reciprocal obligation to show respect to their... I would say "rivals" but I sure feel like we're treated as Blood Enemies.
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Substitute "GOPe" for "Trump" in that statement and you'd get the primary reason Trump got nominated, then elected the first time.

You'd think someone in Trump's orbit would be aware of that.

Posted by: Methos at August 31, 2023 03:06 PM (Dnobf)

55 I'll vote for either one in the general. I'm a Never-Christier, a Never-Pencer, and a Never-Haleyer. Some of those other guys I neither know nor care about.

Posted by: Jack Squat Bupkis at August 31, 2023 03:06 PM (GD2xa)

56 One day, a state will block reject all Education Department funds, and it will be a great day.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, s

We got a secretary of Ed here who I think eventually has plans to do exactly this. They are trying to impeach him.

Posted by: BruceWayne at August 31, 2023 03:06 PM (CIS44)

57 Begun, the Paid Shills During Primaries War has.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 31, 2023 03:06 PM (mj0Qp)

58 Good for DeSantis. Otherwise I'm not going to participate in this thread. I'll wait for the next.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at August 31, 2023 03:06 PM (BdMk6)

59 One day, a state will block reject all Education Department funds, and it will be a great day.

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Or the Court can conclude that state's get their DOE $ without any strings.

Posted by: SH (But Prefer Clark Griswold) at August 31, 2023 03:06 PM (sX1BW)

60 >>Not anymore. They replaced it with Rhode Island.

We have some crazy mofos here but we do not have Florida Man.

I reject my little paradise being equated with America's penis.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 31, 2023 03:06 PM (ZLI7S)

61 The Blond White Booted Girl Boss would kick Trump's ass for dissing Ron.

https://tinyurl.com/ycxjeh28
Posted by: Lost In Space at August 31, 2023 03:04 PM (jlbtb)

No alcohol was consumed prior to the making of this video.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 31, 2023 03:06 PM (Zz0t1)

62 Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 31, 2023 03:04 PM (mj0Qp)

Well, look at it this way. If a state wanted to--and I'm just spitballing here--organize a tax strike, the feds would have that much less leverage over them.

Posted by: Dr. T at August 31, 2023 03:06 PM (bhRsz)

63 Willard:
This guy looks and sounds trumpish:

https://tinyurl.com/wr6z5ykx
Posted by: SMH at what's coming

Epic!

Posted by: Rhubarb Ranch at August 31, 2023 03:06 PM (kc0fx)

64 57 Begun, the Paid Shills During Primaries War has.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 31, 2023 03:06 PM (mj0Qp)

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If you don't vote for Kasich, then you don't want conservative victories delivered on time!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 31, 2023 03:07 PM (LvTSG)

65 Respect is a street that runs in both directions, guys.

--

I love this place.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - To cheat with DeSantis they'll have to face themselves and admit they're soviet at August 31, 2023 03:07 PM (hsOar)

66 IIRC wasn't there a staff shakeup recently in the DeSantis camp? If so, I hope the GOPe taint is washed away. FWIW I think DeSantis has gotten some really shitty advice over the last several months. If he'd just focus on the core issues the base (including nominal Trump supporters) is concerned about he'd do a bit better in the head-to-head arguments with said Trump supporters.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 31, 2023 03:07 PM (Q4IgG)

67 59 Or the Court can conclude that state's get their DOE $ without any strings.
Posted by: SH (But Prefer Clark Griswold) at August 31, 2023 03:06 PM (sX1BW)

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They sort of did that with the Medicaid expansion part of the ACA. Limited ruling, though.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 31, 2023 03:07 PM (LvTSG)

68 Trump...DeSantis... whoever..... I'm seeing them as just the next clay pigeon for the fucking Communists.... I think this Ramaswamy character may be the real deal.....

Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at August 31, 2023 03:07 PM (5AVMW)

69 Rhode Island is full of Commies.

Rhode Island Reds.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 31, 2023 03:08 PM (xTRSc)

70 and those stimmies came in handy i tell you what

I lost one of my jobs because of the plandemic. I know I'm paying for it in inflation now but as my forebears used to say carpe diem homes.

Posted by: kallisto at August 31, 2023 03:08 PM (8ON7U)

71 >>Substitute "GOPe" for "Trump" in that statement and you'd get the primary reason Trump got nominated, then elected the first time.

>>You'd think someone in Trump's orbit would be aware of that.

You mean the guy who hasn't taken any GOPe money, doesn't participate in their debates and criticizes them pretty much nonstop?

Pretty sure he knows.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 31, 2023 03:08 PM (ZLI7S)

72 Ron DeSantis $50 million super PAC CLOSES after donors were spooked by 'rookie s*** mistakes'

.. looks like DeSantis is back to being a Governor

Posted by: SMOD at August 31, 2023 03:08 PM (RHGPo)

73 well it would be nice to know what in particular he objected to.

I'm not such a purist that I object to taking fed money in all cases.
If I were, I'd have sent back all the covid stimmies that I"d received.

Posted by: kallisto at August 31, 2023 03:05 PM (8ON7U)

...Because it would be used against him in the presidential campaign or in any theoretical debate between Biden and DeSantis.

"You didn't feel that way about my Inflation Reduction Act (tm) when you came begging me for half a billion dollars to build clean energy. See, Ron, we know you don't believe what you say. We need a straight shooter like me in office."

Or at least that's what he would memorize, it would probably come out much more mangled, but the media would fix it for him in post.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 31, 2023 03:08 PM (mj0Qp)

74 Hey, Trump defended Ronnie.

Someone said "DeSantis stinks", and Trump said "like shit he does".

I thought some Elementary School humor was needed.

Posted by: Louie 3 fingers at August 31, 2023 03:09 PM (MMe0T)

75 Trump>Lincoln>Washington>Reagan

Posted by: Trumpkins at August 31, 2023 03:09 PM (RilAR)

76 Straight from a friend's webpage on Facebook who lives in Florida:

So now it is learned that Governor Ron DeSanctimonious unnecessarily approved a 20% hike in Florida Electricity Rates, the largest in history (by far!), after taking a 9.5 Million Dollar Campaign Contribution from “money machine” Florida Power and Light, and subsidiaries. Next up to check out is the Insurance Industry, where DeSanctus gave up the store. His campaign and poll numbers have “CRASHED” to a point where it doesn’t much matter anymore, but what a shame for Florida!

Doesn't sound like he needs Bribem's money.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 31, 2023 03:09 PM (iOTJP)

77 75 Trump>Lincoln>Washington>Reagan
Posted by: Trumpkins at August 31, 2023 03:09 PM (RilAR)

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William Henry Harrison >>>>>>>>>>> every other president

He did the least damage

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 31, 2023 03:09 PM (LvTSG)

78 Rhode Island is full of Commies.

Rhode Island Reds.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus

RI Red hardest hit

Posted by: BruceWayne at August 31, 2023 03:09 PM (CIS44)

79 Enough of your S love affair with little d

President Trump to you , not Trump, is busy fighting the entire political communist agenda against him trying to imprison him, if not out right murder him, if little d had any balls he would drop out, as they all should in support of President Trump, who had his Presidency stolen from him and us.

But little d and the rest have no honor
Posted by: Gonzotx at August 31, 2023 03:04 PM (PTKf5)

Thank you for saying out loud what a couple others on this thread won't say but are clearly thinking underneath their mask of concern and regret.

Posted by: Dr. T at August 31, 2023 03:09 PM (bhRsz)

80 Hey what the hell ever happened to that Youngkin guy?

Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 31, 2023 03:09 PM (9UlRk)

81 59 Or the Court can conclude that state's get their DOE $ without any strings.
Posted by: SH (But Prefer Clark Griswold) at August 31, 2023 03:06 PM (sX1BW)

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They sort of did that with the Medicaid expansion part of the ACA. Limited ruling, though.

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Yes, but it needs to go further. The positive news is Roberts and Kagan were both for this. So we have that going for us.

Posted by: SH (But Prefer Clark Griswold) at August 31, 2023 03:09 PM (sX1BW)

82 I agree that DeSantis should stop reflexively defending Trump. Sometimes it's warranted, sometimes it's not.

At some point, he's going to have to start flinging mud. Trump started flinging mud on Day 1, and all of it has been below the belt. Including left-wing talking points, like DeSantis is going to take away Social Security and Medicare.

Posted by: Blago at August 31, 2023 03:10 PM (wMRY8)

83 So, about that Civil War...

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 31, 2023 03:00 PM (xTRSc)

I thought we all agreed to call it "The Recent Unpleasantness"!

*grabs longbow*

Posted by: pookysgirl is actually a terrible archer at August 31, 2023 03:10 PM (dtlDP)

84 Don't forget that Trump's sycophants also pushed the recent rumor that DeSantis would drop out and challenge Rick Scott for his seat. I guess they don't like the internal polling moves they're seeing.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 31, 2023 03:10 PM (/Mfdi)

85 If you don't vote for Kasich, then you don't want conservative victories delivered on time!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 31, 2023 03:07 PM (LvTSG)

Yes, exactly.

Every. Fricking. Time.

Where my Scott Walker shills at?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 31, 2023 03:10 PM (mj0Qp)

86 Good on DeSantis. Thanks for posting the news, Ace.

With that, I'll hang around outside while the first-timer shit-posters rile up the regulars and the circular firing squads commence.

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at August 31, 2023 03:10 PM (DTX3h)

87 William Henry Harrison >>>>>>>>>>> every other president

He did the least damage

I LOL'd at this.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 31, 2023 03:11 PM (xTRSc)

88 Aaaand here we go. Lol.

WHHHHHHHHHHHHEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!

Posted by: kallisto, sliding down the board into the pool of TvD madness at August 31, 2023 03:11 PM (8ON7U)

89 If you don't vote for Kasich, then you don't want conservative victories delivered on time!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 31, 2023 03:07 PM (LvTSG)

Screw you! Burgum/Suarez 2024!!!

Posted by: Dr. T at August 31, 2023 03:11 PM (bhRsz)

90 With that, I'll hang around outside while the first-timer shit-posters rile up the regulars and the circular firing squads commence.

----------------

Wait until we start debating Chili recipes.

Posted by: SH (But Prefer Clark Griswold) at August 31, 2023 03:11 PM (sX1BW)

91 >>>President Trump to you , not Trump, is busy fighting the entire political communist agenda against him trying to imprison him

No I'll call him Trump, fanboi cultist bitch faggot. He lost the election and he'll lose the next one too.

Then he'll go to jail with no one to pardon him and you'll cry and say it was MY fault for warning you he would lose.

Posted by: ace at August 31, 2023 03:11 PM (KRtlO)

92
Wait until we start debating Chili recipes.
Posted by: SH (But Prefer Clark Griswold) at August 31, 2023 03:11 PM (sX1BW)

Kroger is having a sale on carrots!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 31, 2023 03:12 PM (Zz0t1)

93 Get Trump's little dick out of your mouf when you're talking to me, Boy.

Posted by: ace at August 31, 2023 03:12 PM (KRtlO)

94 I hope Trump does the next Republican debate.
It's going to be on 9/27.
The moderators are Dana Perino, Stuart Varney and Ilia Calderon from Univision.

Posted by: redridinghood at August 31, 2023 03:12 PM (NpAcC)

95 Let's you and him fight. That's how eye roll.
Stolen Dad joke fo sho.

Posted by: 80's music fan at August 31, 2023 03:12 PM (glGDV)

96 I thought only his hands were small.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 31, 2023 03:12 PM (Zz0t1)

97 WHHHHHHHHHHHHEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!

Giselle, is that you? What for me!

Posted by: Jimmy Carter at August 31, 2023 03:13 PM (xTRSc)

98 I think the Trump/Desantis beef is fake to throw the left off target.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 31, 2023 03:13 PM (JTwsP)

99 BTW the article misses a lot. These grants come with a lot of strings attached. That's before we get to the fact they're in furtherance of Democrats radical climate agenda and assault on consumer choices. He did the right thing.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 31, 2023 03:13 PM (/Mfdi)

100 Trump.

Posted by: 80's music fan at August 31, 2023 03:13 PM (glGDV)

101 Boy.
Posted by: ace at August 31, 2023 03:12 PM (KRtlO)

Dats rayciss.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 31, 2023 03:13 PM (Zz0t1)

102 As others have said, I'd like to see the rationale behind this. The linked article doesn't have DeSantis explaining himself. Because you have to make an articulate case against the "you are keeping low income people from helpful money" criticism.

I do think it's an interesting start but unless we get all the red states to unite and stop this grift - what difference does it make at this point?

Posted by: Iris at August 31, 2023 03:13 PM (NaH5I)

103 What would keep you from shoving something up Biden's ass?
Depends

Posted by: That Northernlurker what lurkd at August 31, 2023 03:14 PM (VdGjU)

104 No I'll call him Trump, fanboi cultist bitch faggot. He lost the election and he'll lose the next one too.

Then he'll go to jail with no one to pardon him and you'll cry and say it was MY fault for warning you he would lose.
Posted by: ace at August 31, 2023 03:11 PM (KRtlO)

Yeah, but, no need to be coy -- tell us how you really feel.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 31, 2023 03:14 PM (mj0Qp)

105 Ace, did you sleep any better last night with all the sage advice that you received from the Horde?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 31, 2023 03:14 PM (xTRSc)

106 It is a fact DeSantis hates minorities and transgenders by refusing to take this dirty political money to save his state from Global Warming and total collapse !!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Ferd Berfall at August 31, 2023 03:14 PM (snpvX)

107 President Trump to you , not Trump, is busy fighting the entire political communist agenda against him trying to imprison him, if not out right murder him, if little d had any balls he would drop out, as they all should in support of President Trump, who had his Presidency stolen from him and us.

But little d and the rest have no honor
Posted by: Gonzotx at August 31, 2023 03:04 PM (PTKf5)

Thank you for saying out loud what a couple others on this thread won't say but are clearly thinking underneath their mask of concern and regret.
Posted by: Dr. T at August 31, 2023 03:09 PM (bhRsz)

So here's the thing, you're basically right that Trump is the only guy with a legitimate claim to the title of "President". But instead of mustering the national militia to put down the federal rebellion permanently, he's jumping through the same rigged hoops as last time as if the previous election was legitimate.

Posted by: Methos at August 31, 2023 03:14 PM (Dnobf)

108 BTW the article misses a lot. These grants come with a lot of strings attached. That's before we get to the fact they're in furtherance of Democrats radical climate agenda and assault on consumer choices. He did the right thing.
Posted by: Marcus T at August 31, 2023 03:13 PM (/Mfdi)

I mean, look at Texas. Green initiatives in place from the Owebama administration and now we can't handle 100 degree heat without outages. It gets to 100 every summer.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 31, 2023 03:15 PM (Zz0t1)

109 Of note from Trump fans,* we often hear how easy it is for DeSantis to govern with support of his legislature. Here he is vetoing his legislature's request. The man does lead on things.

* Of which I am one.

Posted by: SH (But Prefer Clark Griswold) at August 31, 2023 03:15 PM (sX1BW)

110 OT: Iranian weightlifter banned for life for shaking hands with Israeli competitor

https://tinyurl.com/4y6aas6u

Posted by: BruceWayne at August 31, 2023 03:15 PM (CIS44)

111 Trump season!
Desantis season!
Trump season!
Desantis season!
*pauses*
Desantis season!
Trump season! FIRE!
*BLAM*

Posted by: Rhubarb Ranch at August 31, 2023 03:15 PM (kc0fx)

112 Then he'll go to jail with no one to pardon him and you'll cry and say it was MY fault for warning you he would lose.
Posted by: ace at August 31, 2023 03:11 PM (KRtlO)

I see your point, ace. You have motivated me to march right over and tell Trump he should give up. Be right back.

Posted by: Kindltot at August 31, 2023 03:16 PM (xhaym)

113 What would keep you from shoving something up Biden's ass?
Depends
Posted by: That Northernlurker what lurkd at August 31, 2023 03:14 PM (VdGjU)

Not true.

Posted by: Jill Biden at August 31, 2023 03:16 PM (Zz0t1)

114 Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 31, 2023 03:08 PM (mj0Qp)

yes that is true. It's a lot different when a governor who is a presidential candidate refuses fed money as compared to me, a brokeass plebe grasping for any crumbs that Uncle Sugar throws my way.

but you kind of answered my initial question. Seems like DeSantis' refusal is more of a political strategy than a refusal to get his constiutents mired in ESG bullshit

Posted by: kallisto, sliding down the board into the pool of TvD madness at August 31, 2023 03:16 PM (8ON7U)

115 Trial by Stone!

Posted by: General vs. The Chamberlain at August 31, 2023 03:16 PM (OZjDX)

116 Mitch McConnell is 'medically clear' to continue work, U.S. Capitol doctor says

Posted by: SMOD at August 31, 2023 03:16 PM (RHGPo)

117 OT: Iranian weightlifter banned for life for shaking hands with Israeli competitor

https://tinyurl.com/4y6aas6u
Posted by: BruceWayne at August 31, 2023 03:15 PM (CIS44)

Religion of peace.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 31, 2023 03:16 PM (Zz0t1)

118 First person with a machete in their commercial gets my vote.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 31, 2023 03:16 PM (9UlRk)

119 Oh no you dinn’t

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at August 31, 2023 03:16 PM (xLon1)

120 Get back to me when they start threatening RDS with jail. /smfh

Posted by: VAR1ABLE at August 31, 2023 03:17 PM (Hd1+B)

121 would advise DeSantis to stop defending Trump, period. I'm going to stop doing so myself. If Trump offers nothing but contempt and insults for anyone but his most enthusiastic supporters, then that's what we'll be offering to Trump in return.

===

Heh, supporters....

Posted by: runner at August 31, 2023 03:17 PM (idBr5)

122 No I'll call him Trump, fanboi cultist bitch faggot. He lost the election and he'll lose the next one too.

Then he'll go to jail with no one to pardon him and you'll cry and say it was MY fault for warning you he would lose.
Posted by: ace at August 31, 2023 03:11 PM (KRtlO)

Damn, it's one thing to call out a Trump fanatic, but quite another to say that Trump will be going to jail.... that's fucking retarded. If you really think/hope that, you should stop blogging and start trying to actually defend this country.

Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at August 31, 2023 03:17 PM (5AVMW)

123 116 Mitch McConnell is 'medically clear' to continue work, U.S. Capitol doctor says
Posted by: SMOD at August 31, 2023 03:16 PM (RHGPo)

They must not set the bar for "medically clear to continue work" very high there at the Capitol.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 31, 2023 03:17 PM (mj0Qp)

124 Yuscil Taveras, the Mar-a-Lago IT director who flipped on Donald Trump, is a registered Democrat with a history of money troubles and a part-time gig as 'DJ Juicy'

Posted by: SMOD at August 31, 2023 03:17 PM (RHGPo)

125 I don't mind the general campaign rock throwing. What I do mind is all the lies, and the peddling of misperception being directed by Team Trump. It not only seems hypocritical, but destructive to the long term health of the party. When you take things personal and your aim seems to permanently take a candidate off the playing field not just for 2024, but beyond, your motive and intent are suspect.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 31, 2023 03:17 PM (/Mfdi)

126
They must not set the bar for "medically clear to continue work" very high there at the Capitol.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 31, 2023 03:17 PM (mj0Qp)

*Dianne Feinstein and her wheelchair have entered the chat.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 31, 2023 03:18 PM (Zz0t1)

127 First person with a machete in their commercial gets my vote.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 31, 2023 03:16 PM (9UlRk)

Gentlemen, I despise each and every one of you....

Posted by: That Japanese Guy at August 31, 2023 03:18 PM (bhRsz)

128 but you kind of answered my initial question. Seems like DeSantis' refusal is more of a political strategy than a refusal to get his constiutents mired in ESG bullshit
Posted by: kallisto, sliding down the board into the pool of TvD madness at August 31, 2023 03:16 PM (8ON7U)

Well, I don't know. I assume there was a poison pill of sorts attached as well. I'm just saying that politically there is no upside to taking the money.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 31, 2023 03:18 PM (mj0Qp)

129
I mean, look at Texas. Green initiatives in place from the Owebama administration and now we can't handle 100 degree heat without outages. It gets to 100 every summer.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 31, 2023 03:15 PM (Zz0t1)

I think the hidden strings are a good point - but SOMEWHERE this needs to be discussed.

It is great leadership to veto something that sounds so benign but so far the action is missing the communication component that DeSantis usually does so well. WHY is he doing this? The destructive green agenda needs to be talked about but it's completely missing.

Posted by: Iris at August 31, 2023 03:18 PM (NaH5I)

130 I see your point, ace. You have motivated me to march right over and tell Trump he should give up. Be right back.

Posted by: Kindltot at August 31, 2023 03:16 PM (xhaym)

If Trump loses, it'll be after ensuring that no other Republican was allowed to take on Biden. This isn't a kids' little league game, there's no "we'll get 'em next week." If Trump gets the nomination and blows it, the whole country is stuck with Biden.

Posted by: Theo at August 31, 2023 03:18 PM (YxvtA)

131 Posted by: Marcus T at August 31, 2023 03:13 PM (/Mfdi)

now we're getting somewhere

this means the FLA assembly doesn't GAS about the strings i guess

Posted by: kallisto, at August 31, 2023 03:18 PM (8ON7U)

132 They must not set the bar for "medically clear to continue work" very high there at the Capitol.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 31, 2023 03:17 PM (mj0Qp)

*Dianne Feinstein and her wheelchair have entered the chat.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Bide

*Fetterman roars in ascent*

Posted by: BruceWayne at August 31, 2023 03:18 PM (CIS44)

133 Primary season is definitely the least fun time around the blog comment section.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at August 31, 2023 03:18 PM (fKIdX)

134 As an objective observer (and not a Trump supporter) I'd point out that Florida received over $41 Billion in Federal Aid. I think that's something like the 3rd highest of any state in the country...or pretty close.

So...let's not do this cherry picking nonsense. Anyone with 2 brain cells rubbing together keeps their distance from the Green New Deal shit in the "Inflation Reduction" package...which increases inflation btw....significantly.

Posted by: Orson at August 31, 2023 03:18 PM (dIske)

135 Show me on this doll where President Trump touched you ace.

Posted by: Louie 3 fingers at August 31, 2023 03:18 PM (MMe0T)

136 The arguments on this blog are nothing compared to the TvD arguments that Ace and Chuy have.

And Lamont is a Vivek guy.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 31, 2023 03:19 PM (xTRSc)

137 117 OT: Iranian weightlifter banned for life for shaking hands with Israeli competitor

https://tinyurl.com/4y6aas6u
Posted by: BruceWayne at August 31, 2023 03:15 PM (CIS44)

Religion of peace.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 31, 2023 03:16 PM (Zz0t1)

This is especially ironic, because after the Ayatollah overthrew the Shah, Iran was isolated from the world oil markets for a time. Marc Rich cut a deal with Iran that allowed them to supply millions of barrels of oil to...

Israel.

Israel, of course, didn't complain, and neither did Iran.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at August 31, 2023 03:19 PM (/iWhV)

138 >>>Ace, did you sleep any better last night with all the sage advice that you received from the Horde?

slightly. I didn't really take the horde's advice though I did have a glass of wine at dinner. But that was 5 hours before bedtime.

I keep waking up and my deep sleep is very low. I wear a fitbit so i know (approximately) how much high quality deep sleep I get. i've been getting very little lately.

thank you for asking.

Posted by: ace at August 31, 2023 03:19 PM (KRtlO)

139 Who ever wrote that article about the IRA is a hack. Apparently it's all upside and there are no costs to the program. What drivel.

Posted by: InZona at August 31, 2023 03:19 PM (T6ga+)

140 If I'm going to give some constructive advice to DeSantis, it would be to stop trying to pass some sort of bullshit conservative purity test.

He needs to be running on how he can win, why Trump can't, and how Trump blew it when he was in office and what poor judgement Trump repeatedly shows. That is going to win over primary voters better than this inside baseball, Ted Cruz type play as a candidate.

Posted by: Blago at August 31, 2023 03:19 PM (wMRY8)

141
*Fetterman roars in ascent*
Posted by: BruceWayne at August 31, 2023 03:18 PM (CIS44)

LOL

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 31, 2023 03:19 PM (Zz0t1)

142 Ace, I agree completely with your statements. DeSantis knows what his state needs AND what it DOESN'T need. He is focused on doing what he must do as governor. This year, like last year, he spent his time on getting prepared for the hurricane, not talking about global warming or taking a vacation or saying our actions on the hurricanes need to have equity (Hawaii choice).

Posted by: Roland F Hirsch at August 31, 2023 03:19 PM (oMkPq)

143 Trump missed his chance. We're living in the thing that happens when it's time to light the candle and the only guy with matches says "no, we can't do that, these are the good candles for when company comes over".

And now they're throwing him in jail for lighting candles.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 31, 2023 03:19 PM (9UlRk)

144 Wait until we start debating Chili recipes.
Posted by: SH (But Prefer Clark Griswold)

The only people, be that man or woman, that spell Chile chili put beans in whatever they are making and beat their boy friends.

Posted by: Lost In Space at August 31, 2023 03:19 PM (jlbtb)

145 I'm waiting to see how this election season unfolds. Anything might happen, and it seems to me we should all take a deep breath and see how this all plays out.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 31, 2023 03:19 PM (WHXGi)

146
the Solar for All program which would have paid to help low-income people access solar panels

++++++++++++++++

Sure. They're nourishing and educational.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at August 31, 2023 03:19 PM (lCaJd)

147 A couple of amusing Ukraine-related items -

The Moscow Times notes that several hundred Russians have avoided the Russian military draft by moving to Israel, where, of course, they are now being drafted into the Israeli army.

Several of them are quite shocked by this.

Also, the Kyiv Independent has a heartwarming story of families being temporarily reunited - the mothers and children left Ukraine as "refugees", while the fathers had to stay, since males 18-60 are not allowed to leave Ukraine (without a sufficient bribe).

But as his daughters recently came to Ukraine for over a month-long summer break, Samoilenko's life became "less hopeless and more lively." He took a vacation to avoid missing a moment of their stay in Ukraine.

I dunno - if I were a Western European country, I would be casting a rather jaundiced eye on "refugees" that are returning home to Ukraine for summer vacations.

Fifteen years ago, the United States noticed that a lot of people claiming political asylum due to persecution were going back to their home countries on vacation. Now, returning to your home country invalidates your US asylum claim.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 31, 2023 03:19 PM (2tUFv)

148 >>Damn, it's one thing to call out a Trump fanatic, but quite another to say that Trump will be going to jail.... that's fucking retarded.

TDS is a helluva drug.

Posted by: garrett at August 31, 2023 03:19 PM (c4O5y)

149 Trump has no right to the 2024 election. Whether or not 2020 was stolen from him (I voted for him, of course), I do not owe him any thing today. Defending him from unjust persecution does not mean I must support his 2024 campaign. Honestly, if Trump really loved this country, he would not run. Same for Biden. But both men clearly love themselves more, though.

Posted by: A person afraid of the LGBTQ lobby at August 31, 2023 03:19 PM (5DTn7)

150 THA is fast on the draw today

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 31, 2023 03:20 PM (vrkNi)

151 138 slightly. I didn't really take the horde's advice though I did have a glass of wine at dinner. But that was 5 hours before bedtime.

I keep waking up and my deep sleep is very low. I wear a fitbit so i know (approximately) how much high quality deep sleep I get. i've been getting very little lately.

thank you for asking.

Posted by: ace at August 31, 2023 03:19 PM (KRtlO)

=========

He took my advice! Slightly.

Now, I shall advise the application of a Ken Burns documentary.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 31, 2023 03:20 PM (LvTSG)

152 Thanks, Ace. Appreciate your perspective on this.

Posted by: Ockeghemlives at August 31, 2023 03:20 PM (FlSGo)

153 134 As an objective observer (and not a Trump supporter) I'd point out that Florida received over $41 Billion in Federal Aid. I think that's something like the 3rd highest of any state in the country...or pretty close.

So...let's not do this cherry picking nonsense. Anyone with 2 brain cells rubbing together keeps their distance from the Green New Deal shit in the "Inflation Reduction" package...which increases inflation btw....significantly.

Posted by: Orson at August 31, 2023 03:18 PM (dIske)

Florida has the third highest population in the country, making that unavoidable. They also pay the third most in taxes to the feds, so they're entitled to get some of it back, even if it'd be better if there was less transferred to begin with.

Posted by: Theo at August 31, 2023 03:20 PM (YxvtA)

154 Damn, it's one thing to call out a Trump fanatic, but quite another to say that Trump will be going to jail.... that's fucking retarded. If you really think/hope that, you should stop blogging and start trying to actually defend this country.
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What mechanism are you expecting to prevent them from jailing Trump? Obama judges? Blue state juries? Some accident in their ballot stuffing methods that allows him to win in the open this time?

Posted by: Methos at August 31, 2023 03:20 PM (Dnobf)

155 I didn't really take the horde's advice though I did have a glass of wine at dinner.

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Surely, the Horde would have advised more than one glass.

Posted by: SH (But Prefer Clark Griswold) at August 31, 2023 03:20 PM (sX1BW)

156 125 I don't mind the general campaign rock throwing. What I do mind is all the lies, and the peddling of misperception being directed by Team Trump. It not only seems hypocritical, but destructive to the long term health of the party. When you take things personal and your aim seems to permanently take a candidate off the playing field not just for 2024, but beyond, your motive and intent are suspect.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 31, 2023 03:17 PM (/Mfdi)

DeSantis seemed a natural heir to the MAGA movement.

As it is, both Ron and Don have torched that, solidifying the fact that conservatives most definitely cannot have nice things.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 31, 2023 03:20 PM (KbCG3)

157 I see your point, ace. You have motivated me to march right over and tell Trump he should give up. Be right back.
Posted by: Kindltot at August 31, 2023 03:16 PM (xhaym)

And then we track down Meatball and call him a bad name.

Posted by: Trumpkins at August 31, 2023 03:21 PM (RilAR)

158 >>>but you kind of answered my initial question. Seems like DeSantis' refusal is more of a political strategy than a refusal to get his constiutents mired in ESG bullshit
Posted by: kallist

the Trump wing of the party has just completely abandoned any pretense of slowing government spending. And for good reason-- Trump blew out the budgets like the Big Government Democrat he is/was.

Posted by: ace at August 31, 2023 03:21 PM (KRtlO)

159 but destructive to the long term health of the party.

well...yeah

destruction of the GOPe is the entire point of the exercise

Posted by: kallisto, at August 31, 2023 03:21 PM (8ON7U)

160 Damn, it's one thing to call out a Trump fanatic, but quite another to say that Trump will be going to jail.... that's fucking retarded. If you really think/hope that, you should stop blogging and start trying to actually defend this country.
Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at August 31, 2023 03:17 PM (5AVMW)

I don't think anyone here hopes that, but not to consider it a strong possibility by now is blindness at best.

Also, you know who else will still be whistling for a pardon if Trump is the nominee and (almost inevitably) loses? The J6 political prisoners, whom I don't remember Trump saying much about lately.

Posted by: Dr. T at August 31, 2023 03:21 PM (bhRsz)

161 People need to start treating Biden like a toddler.

Posted by: That Northernlurker what lurkd at August 31, 2023 03:21 PM (VdGjU)

162 Of course I presume it's possible to take the fed's money, as every Democrat has, and then spend it on whatever the fuck you want. As the Democrats do.

Or just pocket it. That's the sort of move a *biden would make.

Gangsta'

Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 31, 2023 03:21 PM (Q4IgG)

163
I keep waking up and my deep sleep is very low. I wear a fitbit so i know (approximately) how much high quality deep sleep I get. i've been getting very little lately.

thank you for asking.

Posted by: ace at August 31, 2023 03:19 PM (KRtlO)

Sounds like you need an iPod full of Barak's speeches.

Posted by: Queen Elizabeth at August 31, 2023 03:21 PM (Zz0t1)

164 I think the hidden strings are a good point - but SOMEWHERE this needs to be discussed.

Posted by: Iris at August 31, 2023 03:18 PM (NaH5I)

Yes, I'm sure the media will get right on it. I imagine they'll empanel a group of well respected academic types with posh accents to speak about the pros and cons of taking the money for an in depth, multi hour discussion, and it will be broadcast on all major news networks.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 31, 2023 03:21 PM (mj0Qp)

165 Welcome to the 2024 GOP Doom Loop! All simulations result in a Democrat President until 2028.

Posted by: Anti-Faucist at August 31, 2023 03:21 PM (ik/65)

166 143 Trump missed his chance. We're living in the thing that happens when it's time to light the candle and the only guy with matches says "no, we can't do that, these are the good candles for when company comes over".

And now they're throwing him in jail for lighting candles.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 31, 2023 03:19 PM (9UlRk)

Everyone knows you gotta save the blessed beeswax candles for the three days of darkness.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at August 31, 2023 03:22 PM (fKIdX)

167 Meanwhile in Colorado, Gov. Penis bends over, takes a wide stance, and says, "Give it to me hard boys!".

Posted by: Cheri at August 31, 2023 03:22 PM (oiNtH)

168 >>>Surely, the Horde would have advised more than one glass.

I know. The Horde was advising me to have a Keith Moon sized drink before bed.

Posted by: ace at August 31, 2023 03:22 PM (KRtlO)

169 >>Of note from Trump fans,* we often hear how easy it is for DeSantis to govern with support of his legislature. Here he is vetoing his legislature's request. The man does lead on things.

A big problem for DeSantis has been his campaign's approach to winning over new voters. From day 1 it has been condescending and angry to the point of calling Trump supporters "cultists". Quite possibly the dumbest campaign strategy I've ever seen and it was a strategy because it was used by all of Ron's on line "influencers". Who ever came up with that beauty should be fed to the alligators and then the alligators should be fired into the sun.

Whether DeSantis supporters like it or not Trump has earned the support of his supporters and continues to fight on no matter what they throw at him. Nobody, including Ron, has that record.

It's not a matter of not liking Ron, it's a belief that Trump is the far better candidate and nothing Ron has done to date has changed many minds if the polls are to be believed. Trump had his election stolen, he didn't lose, and they will come after whomever the next nominee is just as hard. I like Trump in that fight better. Simple as that.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 31, 2023 03:22 PM (ZLI7S)

170 Uh...guys 20+ points down in the polls don't get to make demands. And I'm not sure turning down federal money that...you know...might actually HELP his own citizens is exactly the boss move you make it out to be.
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Really, because, after all, it's Free Government Money, right?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 31, 2023 03:22 PM (vrkNi)

171 Trump has no right to the 2024 election. Whether or not 2020 was stolen from him (I voted for him, of course), I do not owe him any thing today. Defending him from unjust persecution does not mean I must support his 2024 campaign. Honestly, if Trump really loved this country, he would not run.
Posted by: A person afraid

___

Its only about him.

And I GUARANTEE you if Trump loses this primary to DeSantis, he will not endorse him.

He would rather Biden get a 2nd term because he convinced his cult to sit it out.

Posted by: Blago at August 31, 2023 03:22 PM (wMRY8)

172 ---------------

Surely, the Horde would have advised more than one glass.
Posted by: SH (But Prefer Clark Griswold) at August 31, 2023 03:20 PM (sX1BW)

And it wouldn't have been wine.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 31, 2023 03:22 PM (Zz0t1)

173 William Henry Harrison >>>>>>>>>>> every other president

He did the least damage

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 31, 2023

Speak for yourself, white boy.

Posted by: Tecumseh at August 31, 2023 03:22 PM (xPl2J)

174 Using the hand puppet, point on the doll where Ace's falling shelves hit you.

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko stuff at August 31, 2023 03:22 PM (D19AP)

175 125 I don't mind the general campaign rock throwing. What I do mind is all the lies, and the peddling of misperception being directed by Team Trump. It not only seems hypocritical, but destructive to the long term health of the party. When you take things personal and your aim seems to permanently take a candidate off the playing field not just for 2024, but beyond, your motive and intent are suspect.
Posted by: Marcus T at August 31, 2023 03:17 PM (/Mfdi)

Which "team" exactly is avoiding these very specific things you accuse "Team Trump" of?

Posted by: Inogame at August 31, 2023 03:22 PM (53oGX)

176 William Henry Harrison >>>>>>>>>>> every other president

He did the least damage
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I LOL'd at this.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 31, 2023

***
He monopolized his doctors' time and resources trying to save him, when they could have been treating disadvantaged poor people! REEEEE!

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at August 31, 2023 03:22 PM (J2vNu)

177 Posted by: ace at August 31, 2023 03:21 PM (KRtlO)

it's all funny money now anyway, so what

i have no kids or grandkids so i'm not a "stakeholder" in this mess
but even so i'm sure things will all work out for everyone else in the long run

as long as CCP troops don't land on our shores

Posted by: kallisto, at August 31, 2023 03:23 PM (8ON7U)

178 Meanwhile in Colorado, Gov. Penis bends over, takes a wide stance, and says, "Give it to me hard boys!".
Posted by: Cheri at August 31, 2023 03:22 PM (oiNtH)

WINNING!

Posted by: Pete Buttigieg at August 31, 2023 03:23 PM (Zz0t1)

179 173 William Henry Harrison >>>>>>>>>>> every other president

He did the least damage

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 31, 2023

Speak for yourself, white boy.
Posted by: Tecumseh at August 31, 2023 03:22 PM (xPl2J)

Yeah. That.

Posted by: Calvin Coolidge at August 31, 2023 03:23 PM (/iWhV)

180 I don’t expect DeSantis to defend Trump or vice versa…. They’re opponents in a primary contest. I decided a long time ago I’ll vote for Trump in the primary; I wish DeSantis would stay in Florida and keep doing exactly the same kind of stuff…. Because the fed guvt is unfixable we’d all be better off with more strong heritage America governors.

Ace - Trump could use your support. They’re trying to jail him for the rest of his life. I’d think you could give him a break on all his childish insults. He’s got enough courage to put his own butt on the line; we should all cut him some slack (even if he insults RDS gratuitously).

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at August 31, 2023 03:23 PM (Q/v9F)

181 I don't think Trump has as much support this time around as he did in 2020.

J6 unfortunately left an impact on a lot of LIV's and independents.

Posted by: redridinghood at August 31, 2023 03:23 PM (NpAcC)

182 *Dianne Feinstein and her wheelchair have entered the chat.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Bide

*Fetterman roars in ascent*
Posted by: BruceWayne at August 31, 2023 03:18 PM (CIS44)

No, that wasn't a roar. That was the sound of his lump shifting position.

Posted by: Dr. T at August 31, 2023 03:23 PM (bhRsz)

183 Heh. Well, this should be fun.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 31, 2023 03:23 PM (zZu0s)

184 I think President Trump was stupid attacking DeSantis as he had before the Florida Governor even threw his hat in the ring. That has divided us here on the right more than the Democrats ever did. And no, I am not a Trumper or DeSantis only person.
I think either of them will do a helluva lot better than the shit brained asshole currently occupying the office.

I would have loved to have seen a Trump/DeSantis ticket. And have Trump go scorched earth on the Deep State and others that have shown their disdain for this country and its citizens.

Well that is my 2 cents.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 31, 2023 03:24 PM (qoLdL)

185 175 and 125: Good one. Too good for AI.

Posted by: 80's music fan at August 31, 2023 03:24 PM (glGDV)

186
Yes, I'm sure the media will get right on it. I imagine they'll empanel a group of well respected academic types with posh accents to speak about the pros and cons of taking the money for an in depth, multi hour discussion, and it will be broadcast on all major news networks.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 31, 2023 03:21 PM (mj0Qp)

I'm talking about our media of course. We all know the MSM is too busy gaslighting to present the facts.

Posted by: Iris at August 31, 2023 03:24 PM (NaH5I)

187 >>Sounds like you need an iPod full of Barak's speeches.

Sometimes I put on Always Sunny episodes I've seen 20 times and that does the trick.

I don't think Barky's speeches would work. They would make me angry. Or I would just tune them out.

What people need to fall asleep is something just interesting enough that they listen to it instead of thinking (thinking is a sleep-killer) but not so interesting that they are actually roused to follow it closely.

Barky's speeches would fail that first prong. He is unlistenable. I covered most of his speeches and debates and I swear I could not listen four words of a sentence before my thoughts wandered.

Posted by: ace at August 31, 2023 03:24 PM (KRtlO)

188 Kidding aside, those supporters are not safe from the wrath of the big crybaby. Remember Kayleigh McEnany ? Yeas, cleaned up after him every day , faced hostile to put it mildly media, and his gratitude? Name calling and derision : "milktoast". Good thing he has tome to watch all that TeeVee.

Posted by: runner at August 31, 2023 03:24 PM (idBr5)

189 Apparently the CISO at Dolley's company is beyond pissed that they're losing her.

There's apparently talk of trying to raise everyone's salary on the team to ensure it doesn't happen again.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 31, 2023 03:24 PM (LvTSG)

190 I-uh, uh-I-uh,, s-s-spoke with-uh, with-uh, j-just spoke with-with-uh. Uhhhmmmmmm

yeah

Posted by: John Fetterman at August 31, 2023 03:24 PM (X4yCj)

191 And then we track down Meatball and call him a bad name.
Posted by: Trumpkins

And post articles by MSNBC Medi Hasan that explain how bad Desantis is

Posted by: BruceWayne at August 31, 2023 03:24 PM (CIS44)

192 Trump had his election stolen, he didn't lose, and they will come after whomever the next nominee is just as hard. I like Trump in that fight better. Simple as that.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 31, 2023 03:22 PM (ZLI7S)

If you believe that, you should be furious that Trump raised about $200 million for the stated purpose of fighting "fraud", then embezzled it all.

And if you're not mad, then shut up about 2020.

Posted by: Theo at August 31, 2023 03:24 PM (YxvtA)

193
I know. The Horde was advising me to have a Keith Moon sized drink before bed.
Posted by: ace at August 31, 2023 03:22 PM (KRtlO)

https://is.gd/MFevrU

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 31, 2023 03:24 PM (Zz0t1)

194 Well, actions speak louder than words. And I, for the most part, like the policy actions of both Trump and DeSantis. I think that's all I have to say about the matter.

Posted by: InZona at August 31, 2023 03:25 PM (T6ga+)

195 *time

Posted by: runner at August 31, 2023 03:25 PM (idBr5)

196

There's apparently talk of trying to raise everyone's salary on the team to ensure it doesn't happen again.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 31, 2023 03:24 PM (LvTSG)

Well, they should send her a nice fruit basket, then.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 31, 2023 03:25 PM (Zz0t1)

197 Beep. Beep.

Posted by: Commodore Feinstein at August 31, 2023 03:25 PM (DcAnM)

198 181 I don't think Trump has as much support this time around as he did in 2020.

He has even more and come 2024 the left will be bringing in trucks of ballots in the daylight

Posted by: Gonzotx at August 31, 2023 03:26 PM (rKBqd)

199 >>>Ace - Trump could use your support. They’re trying to jail him for the rest of his life.

well he's lost it, and I don't care if he goes to jail any longer.

You cannot carpet-bomb people constantly and then ask for their support.

Trump's more crazed online propagandists should consider how much support they're gaining versus how much they're driving away.

Posted by: ace at August 31, 2023 03:26 PM (KRtlO)

200 the Trump wing of the party has just completely abandoned any pretense of slowing government spending. And for good reason-- Trump blew out the budgets like the Big Government Democrat he is/was.

Posted by: ace at August 31, 2023 03:21 PM (KRtlO)

Oh, cmon. Lets not pretend every republican ever hasn't also done the same thing.

My mindset is this: we know that our currency will collapse in to a heap of shit someday. Clearly no one is serious about even pretending to fix that. Small government, big government, fiscal conservative, full on retard -- doesn't matter, they all spend like drunken sailors.

So why even pretend anymore? If we're throwing around fake money we have no chance of ever repaying, then let me get some of that cash.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 31, 2023 03:26 PM (mj0Qp)

201 194 Well, actions speak louder than words. And I, for the most part, like the policy actions of both Trump and DeSantis. I think that's all I have to say about the matter.
Posted by: InZona at August 31, 2023 03:25 PM (T6ga+)

Same.

So what COLOR do you think we should paint the deck chairs?

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 31, 2023 03:27 PM (zZu0s)

202 You don't offer respect. You don't offer friendship.

Posted by: Don Aceo Coreleone at August 31, 2023 03:27 PM (OZjDX)

203 What people need to fall asleep is something just interesting enough that they listen to it instead of thinking (thinking is a sleep-killer) but not so interesting that they are actually roused to follow it closely.

Barky's speeches would fail that first prong. He is unlistenable. I covered most of his speeches and debates and I swear I could not listen four words of a sentence before my thoughts wandered.

Posted by: ace at August 31, 2023 03:24 PM (KRtlO)

Unless I'm trashed or utterly exhausted, it takes me an hour minimum to fall asleep. I can't shut my brain off.

I just wish it was doing something productive while it's keeping me awake.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 31, 2023 03:27 PM (Zz0t1)

204 NYC Migrants in Temp Shelters Still Don’t Need Vaccinations to Enroll in School

Children living in temporary shelters do not have to be vaccinated to enroll in school – that includes migrant children.

Immigrants used to come thru Ellis Island for a reason.

Posted by: SMOD at August 31, 2023 03:27 PM (RHGPo)

205 Damn, it's one thing to call out a Trump fanatic, but quite another to say that Trump will be going to jail.... that's fucking retarded. If you really think/hope that, you should stop blogging and start trying to actually defend this country.
Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at August 31, 2023 03:17 PM (5AVMW)

I don't think anyone here hopes that, but not to consider it a strong possibility by now is blindness at best.

Also, you know who else will still be whistling for a pardon if Trump is the nominee and (almost inevitably) loses? The J6 political prisoners, whom I don't remember Trump saying much about lately.
Posted by: Dr. T at August 31, 2023 03:21 PM (bhRsz)
********
We all see what is happening to the J6 protesters.
Why would Trump be treated any different, if not worse?

Posted by: redridinghood at August 31, 2023 03:27 PM (NpAcC)

206 Whom do I contact to get on the official Saturday morning prayer list?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 31, 2023 03:27 PM (xTRSc)

207 WH Fact Sheet, One Year In, President Biden’s Inflation Reduction Act is Driving Historic Climate Action and Investing in America to Create Good Paying Jobs and Reduce Costs In the 12 months since the Inflation Reduction Act was signed into law: (In part)

The private sector has announced more than $110 billion in new clean energy manufacturing investments, including more than $70 billion in the electric vehicle (EV) supply chain and more than $10 billion in solar manufacturing. Since the President was elected, the private sector has announced approximately $240 billion in new clean energy manufacturing investments.

The Internal Revenue Service (IRS) is strengthening enforcement against wealthy tax cheats and increasing recoveries from delinquent millionaires—while improving customer service for law-abiding taxpayers, including cutting phone wait times from 28 minutes last tax season to 3 minutes this year.

And more! Pay the government. Bwa, ha, ha, ha...

A wise DeSantis & co.

Posted by: L - Practice makes perfect. They know their enemies at August 31, 2023 03:27 PM (GshMh)

208 It's not a matter of not liking Ron, it's a belief that Trump is the far better candidate and nothing Ron has done to date has changed many minds if the polls are to be believed. Trump had his election stolen, he didn't lose, and they will come after whomever the next nominee is just as hard. I like Trump in that fight better. Simple as that.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 31, 2023 03:22 PM (ZLI7S)

The idea that Trump is a better candidate on the merits than RDS is....well, creative, to put it politely.

But I don't mind that rationale; it's far better than the "any primary challenger to Trump is a traitor!!!" argument.

Posted by: Dr. T at August 31, 2023 03:27 PM (bhRsz)

209 200 So why even pretend anymore? If we're throwing around fake money we have no chance of ever repaying, then let me get some of that cash.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 31, 2023 03:26 PM (mj0Qp)

========

I'm not sure where the constituency is to cut federal spending in any material way.

Cutting foreign aid only cuts so much from the budget, and it's not that much.

I'd cut it to the bone, but I know I'm not typical of the American voter.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 31, 2023 03:27 PM (LvTSG)

210 Ace - Trump could use your support. They’re trying to jail him for the rest of his life. I’d think you could give him a break on all his childish insults. He’s got enough courage to put his own butt on the line; we should all cut him some slack (even if he insults RDS gratuitously).

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at August 31, 2023 03:23 PM (Q/v9F)

By this line of thinking, shouldn't he be focused on building a coalition of people with the power to create change?

Saying that "they're trying to jail him for the rest of his life" speaks to the unprecedented nature of current events.

And yet, Trump is treating this like it's just any old primary.

He either knows what time it is or he doesn't.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 31, 2023 03:27 PM (KbCG3)

211 Just remember, come the day after Election Day, when all the mysterious votes that showed up overnight have been "counted" -- we'll all be on the same side again.

Posted by: brak at August 31, 2023 03:28 PM (25k9m)

212 DeSantis can do what he likes, but as long as he's claiming 2020 was on the up and up, he's off the table as a candidate.

Posted by: Karen at August 31, 2023 03:28 PM (UN3kR)

213 I've had it with all this shit

Posted by: Amber Heard at August 31, 2023 03:28 PM (us2H3)

214 For a restful sleep, murder a hobo before bed. In the early evening. If you wait till after 9:00 p.m., you'll be too amped.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at August 31, 2023 03:28 PM (ppBhU)

215 212 DeSantis can do what he likes, but as long as he's claiming 2020 was on the up and up, he's off the table as a candidate.
Posted by: Karen at August 31, 2023 03:28 PM (UN3kR)

========

Meh.

Trump is acting like some extra ballot harvesting is going to fix this. He's delusional.

There's one candidate who takes voter fraud seriously, and it's Joe Biden.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 31, 2023 03:28 PM (LvTSG)

216 "No I'll call him Trump, fanboi cultist bitch faggot. He lost the election and he'll lose the next one too.

Then he'll go to jail with no one to pardon him and you'll cry and say it was MY fault for warning you he would lose."

Wow. Respect "is a two-way street," huh?

The abject hatred leveled at any and all Trump supporters on this site is mind-boggling. Am I supposed to forget the video of massive, blatant vote fraud in Detroit and Atlanta? The enormous vote drops in multiple states, all with the same pro-Biden ratios? Trump lost fair and square, huh?

I haven't been poisonous or vitriolic toward any DeSantis supporters, ever. I think he's done a good job as Governor. Because I support Trump I'm a "fanboi cultist bitch faggot?" Wow. Don't even know what to say.

Posted by: Sam Adams at August 31, 2023 03:29 PM (KEWDx)

217 What a cuck. Obviously bought and paid for by Soros and the Uniparty.

Posted by: Eeyore at August 31, 2023 03:29 PM (brAQZ)

218 79 Enough of your S love affair with little d

President Trump to you , not Trump, is busy fighting the entire political communist agenda against him trying to imprison him, if not out right murder him, if little d had any balls he would drop out, as they all should in support of President Trump, who had his Presidency stolen from him and us.

But little d and the rest have no honor
Posted by: Gonzotx at August 31, 2023 03:04 PM (PTKf5)

Thank you for saying out loud what a couple others on this thread won't say but are clearly thinking underneath their mask of concern and regret.
Posted by: Dr. T at August 31, 2023 03:09 PM (bhRsz)

You are very welcomed

Posted by: Gonzotx at August 31, 2023 03:29 PM (rKBqd)

219 I'm hoping more states blunt the fedgov overreach.

I have no comment about the Trump vs Desantis half of the post.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at August 31, 2023 03:29 PM (xcxpd)

220 I'm talking about our media of course. We all know the MSM is too busy gaslighting to present the facts.
Posted by: Iris at August 31, 2023 03:24 PM (NaH5I)

Which media is your media?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 31, 2023 03:29 PM (mj0Qp)

221 Victoria Nuland Appeared "Desperate" During Africa Tour As US-Backed Leaders Overthrown

Posted by: SMOD at August 31, 2023 03:29 PM (RHGPo)

222 Heh, a governor whose state was just ravaged by an unprecedented hurricane fueled by boiling waters off Floriduh's coast is rejected money for green initiatives. What a dumbass.

Posted by: Sid at August 31, 2023 03:29 PM (oP6QB)

223 >>> Good thing he has tome to watch all that TeeVee.

this really bothers me. We entrusted him with our future. And he sits around watching Fox Fucking News all day scanning for positive and negative mentions of himself.

Instead of keeping up on what changes the Pennsylvania governor was making to election procedures.

He obsesses over what people are saying about him to the exclusion of actually serving his supporters.

And now we're paying for that. And if some have their way, we'll get to pay for that some more from 2024-2029.

Posted by: ace at August 31, 2023 03:29 PM (KRtlO)

224 He has even more and come 2024 the left will be bringing in trucks of ballots in the daylight
Posted by: Gonzotx at August 31, 2023 03:26 PM (rKBqd)

Advantage: ?????

Posted by: Dr. T at August 31, 2023 03:29 PM (bhRsz)

225 Ace - Trump could use your support. They’re trying to jail him for the rest of his life. I’d think you could give him a break on all his childish insults. He’s got enough courage to put his own butt on the line; we should all cut him some slack (even if he insults RDS gratuitously).
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at August 31, 2023 03:23 PM (Q/v9F)

Not that it matters, because Ace is fixed on this, but I don't think any of this is about what Trump said, what DeSantis said, etc. I think this is playing out in front of us, but it's happening behind the scenes.

Trump knows who's backing DeSantis, and he doesn't like it. It's not about Ron, it's about his backers. They're the people who he believes stabbed him in the back, but Ron is their face now, so that's who Trump goes after.

Meanwhile, Ron can't go after Trump, because Trump's base is absolutely needed, if Ron is going anywhere. So I think there's some disingenuousness by those who claim Trump is out of line here. He's not. He knows who the vipers are in that party. And so do DeSantis' backers here.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 31, 2023 03:29 PM (dGCAG)

226 I would have loved to have seen a Trump/DeSantis ticket. And have Trump go scorched earth on the Deep State and others that have shown their disdain for this country and its citizens.

Well that is my 2 cents.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude

I would have like this as well. Two different management styles that could be very effective if egos are not in play. The world would take notice of the contrast between them and Biden/Harris/Obama.

Posted by: Cheri at August 31, 2023 03:29 PM (oiNtH)

227 I've had it with all this shit
Posted by: Amber Heard at August 31, 2023 03:28 PM (us2H3)

Then you should get out of bed.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 31, 2023 03:29 PM (Zz0t1)

228 Trump supporter here but Ace you made a great point, support should flow in both directions. Doesn't come close to moving my support, it's simply something I wish both candidates had done better.

But you did see it with Vivek.

Posted by: Jim at August 31, 2023 03:30 PM (KQLSv)

229 Trump's record was to build America up and put America's enemies down. Enemies foreign and domestic. Bubble dwellers enjoy your emesis.

Posted by: 80's music fan at August 31, 2023 03:30 PM (glGDV)

230 Trump's more crazed online propagandists should consider how much support they're gaining versus how much they're driving away.
Posted by: ace at August 31, 2023 03:26 PM (KRtlO)

I can understand your irritation, but if Trump goes to jail it’s not good for you or me or anyone who wants an orderly rule of law. It’d be a catastrophe and a triumph of thug-ism by lawfare. I don’t think you’d really be okay with that….

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at August 31, 2023 03:30 PM (Q/v9F)

231 Whoa whoa whoa!

We are talking fiscal responsibility?!

I have not heard that kind of talk since... oh, '96?

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 31, 2023 03:30 PM (zZu0s)

232 Trump didn't loose the election.

The deep state, the same deep state that gave us 2 scam impeachments, murdered thousands upon thousands by preventing ivermectin and hydroxy treatments, gave us the remdesivir death protocol that killed even more, gave us the ukraine war treasury looting scam and possibly WWIII, burned to death people of Maui, and on and on... that same deep state somehow played nice when it came to the 2020 election....?

Posted by: meal team 6 at August 31, 2023 03:30 PM (puj8O)

233 illiam Henry Harrison >>>>>>>>>>> every other president

He did the least damage
*
I LOL'd at this.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 31, 2023
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Plus, while he lived, he helped lead the Ohio conquest! Ultimately, we owe the Buckeye Marching Band to him, and we are thankful.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 31, 2023 03:30 PM (33k5K)

234 "No I'll call him Trump, fanboi cultist bitch faggot. He lost the election and he'll lose the next one too. " - Ace

RDS supporters always parroting the commie left's stale propaganda & insults when it comes to PDT/MAGA...
After 8yrs of visiting here, I never thought it'd be Ace. /smfh

Posted by: VAR1ABLE at August 31, 2023 03:30 PM (Hd1+B)

235 Trump is a force, and the folks that wish he wasn't can get mad about it but I guess the voters won't do the right thing again.
Maybe the right thing to do is ask why more people would rather go with the guy you can't stand than someone else?
I suspect that would lead to a more solutions than screaming, he's just going to lose again and go to jail you losers.
Not a pro, just an observer.
There is a reason most people don't want the "acceptable Republican", and fair or unfair to specific candidates there is a reason that is a taint and not something that helps.
Or we can just get mad about it and toss insults around. Maybe pretend politics is beanbag and decry how people are mean to candidates we like.

Posted by: Inogame at August 31, 2023 03:30 PM (53oGX)

236 Posted by: Sid at August 31, 2023 03:29 PM (oP6QB)

========

We all know that hurricanes started with the industrial revolution.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 31, 2023 03:30 PM (LvTSG)

237 >>If you believe that, you should be furious that Trump raised about $200 million for the stated purpose of fighting "fraud", then embezzled it all.

>>And if you're not mad, then shut up about 2020.

Really? Show he proof of your claim or shut up period.

And if you don't believe the election was stolen then you're a retard.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 31, 2023 03:30 PM (ZLI7S)

238 The Inflation Reduction Act...you'd think that was supposed to, y'know....reduce inflation?

Overall inflation climbed to 3.3%, from 3% previously, underscoring the Fed’s long road back to 2 percent price increases...Inflation is expected to slow later this year and into 2024, so Thursday’s report marks a bump in the road rather than a reversal of recent progress toward cooler prices.

The Fed is destroying the economy hiking interest rates, corporate greed is driving inflation not job growth, not wages, not the strong economy.

MBS would prefer Trump over Biden after all, Jared gave him some very good intelligence for the $2B. So Saudi's cut their output of oil... higher fuel prices rippling through the economy.

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at August 31, 2023 03:30 PM (JCZqz)

239 I fully expect to vote for Trump in 2024. But face it, his pronouns are "I" and "me".

Posted by: Eeyore at August 31, 2023 03:30 PM (brAQZ)

240 Damn, it's one thing to call out a Trump fanatic, but quite another to say that Trump will be going to jail.... that's fucking retarded

—-

So many of you are living in a fantasy world where somehow Trump magically is acquitted by a DC jury. A jury from the same jury pool that has sent hundreds of J6 people to prison for trespassing.

Posted by: Montec at August 31, 2023 03:30 PM (a2ndm)

241 Posted by: Sid at August 31, 2023 03:29 PM (oP6QB)

You DICK!!!!

Posted by: Jeff Spicoli at August 31, 2023 03:30 PM (Zz0t1)

242 Fire

Is

BAD!!!!

Posted by: Sen Fetterman's official statement on the Maui fire at August 31, 2023 03:30 PM (lc5cP)

243 >>Immigrants used to come thru Ellis Island for a reason.

You are assuming the Government wants to AVOID another Plandemic Situation.

Posted by: garrett at August 31, 2023 03:30 PM (c4O5y)

244 Rhode Island is full of Commies.

Rhode Island Reds.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 31, 2023 03:08 PM (xTRSc)

Hey!
I left years ago!

Posted by: RI Red at August 31, 2023 03:30 PM (CTjQI)

245 If we're throwing around fake money we have no chance of ever repaying, then let me get some of that cash.

we're just chumps if we don't

Posted by: kallisto, at August 31, 2023 03:30 PM (8ON7U)

246 215 212 DeSantis can do what he likes, but as long as he's claiming 2020 was on the up and up, he's off the table as a candidate.
Posted by: Karen at August 31, 2023 03:28 PM (UN3kR)

This 1,000,000,000,000 %

Posted by: Gonzotx at August 31, 2023 03:30 PM (rKBqd)

247 Ace, you're not exercising late in the afternoon or early evening are you? Because that can definitely keep you awake.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 31, 2023 03:31 PM (xTRSc)

248 to NTers, getting rid of Trump is the sustaining victory

the furtherance of meatball is completely secondary

Posted by: REDACTED at August 31, 2023 03:31 PM (us2H3)

249 So, how exactly is a Cat 3 hurricane 'unprecedented?'

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 31, 2023 03:31 PM (Zz0t1)

250 I'll take a stab at it.
It is just another government giveaway that will fuel inflation without showing any tangible results on energy efficiency. It is just buying people's votes. Oh, look, if I buy this incredibly expensive new appliance(seriously more expensive because the government made new efficiency rules almost impossible to meet), I can get a $100 rebate.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 31, 2023 03:31 PM (t/2Uw)

251 Trump had his election stolen, he didn't lose, and they will come after whomever the next nominee is just as hard. I like Trump in that fight better. Simple as that.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 31, 2023 03:22 PM (ZLI7S)

Why exactly do you think he’s in a better position to fight a second stolen election now that he’s a private citizen than he was when he was the sitting president?

Posted by: Joe, living dangerously at August 31, 2023 03:31 PM (fKIdX)

252 Free solar panels are a scam. Anyone with an IQ over 80 knows it.

Cram that into your diaper, FJB.

Posted by: Regular joe at August 31, 2023 03:31 PM (nnp+f)

253
And he sits around watching Fox Fucking News all day

well, he's pushing 80 so it's either that or Matlock reruns

Posted by: brak at August 31, 2023 03:31 PM (25k9m)

254 Well Lordy be!!! DeSantis finally gets a moment to shine GOVERNING HIS STATE. Thank God RINO/Globalists are like chameleons and can change along with their background or whoever is funding them.
Remember how some "Class of 94" conservatives learned Reagan and Rush rhetoric? Remember some that learned TeaParty rhetoric to get elected? Think any career politicians between 2016 and now learned MAGA rhetoric just to advance their political career?

NO OF COURSE NOT RUBE!!!

That's just Cult Of Trump talk!!!

............unless it's about RamaSalami then it's totally legit!

Posted by: Ni**as 4 Trump at August 31, 2023 03:31 PM (IlL6s)

255 >>>I haven't been poisonous or vitriolic toward any DeSantis supporters, ever. I think he's done a good job as Governor. Because I support Trump I'm a "fanboi cultist bitch faggot?" Wow. Don't even know what to say.

I called the other guy that, the guy who told me I had to call Emperor Trump by his proper titles. Do you guys all consider yourself an undifferentiated mass? Is an insult on one of you an insult on all of you?

I mean... Are you saying you don't really consider yourself an individual, just a cell in a greater Trump plasm?

Posted by: ace at August 31, 2023 03:31 PM (KRtlO)

256
The Fed is destroying the economy hiking interest rates, corporate greed is driving inflation not job growth, not wages, not the strong economy.

—

So weird how corporations only became greedy in 2021 after being iso very non greedy the previous 4 years.

Posted by: Montec at August 31, 2023 03:31 PM (a2ndm)

257 I'm not sure where the constituency is to cut federal spending in any material way.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 31, 2023 03:27 PM (LvTSG)

Yep. That's the problem. And it seems to be that it's a pretty unavoidable problem. People get addicted to the "government" money at all levels -- from massive corporations to the poorest people in society, and everyone in between.

How do we unravel that?

I don't think it's possible, frankly.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 31, 2023 03:31 PM (mj0Qp)

258 206. Whom do I contact to get on the official Saturday morning prayer list? Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 31, 2023 03:27 PM

See: Saturday Morning Coffee Break & Prayer Revival

"Please submit any prayer requests to me, “Annie’s Stew” at apaslo atsign hotmail dot com. Prayer requests are generally removed after four weeks unless we receive an update."

Posted by: L - Practice makes perfect. They know their enemies at August 31, 2023 03:32 PM (GshMh)

259 Trump's more crazed online propagandists should consider how much support they're gaining versus how much they're driving away.
Posted by: ace at August 31, 2023 03:26 PM (KRtlO)

Then ask the other question: how many of these rabid fanbois are designed to do so. Drive dissension and frustration with the interplay?

How much do we play into that and I do not hold myself blameless as either. It is a hard line to find between engagement and argument and just getting into a food fight.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 31, 2023 03:32 PM (zZu0s)

260 Victoria Nuland Appeared "Desperate" During Africa Tour As US-Backed Leaders Overthrown

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Less than 24 hours after the coup in Gabon, the presidents of Cameroon and Rwanda have carried out large-scale purges in the ranks of their armed forces.

It's a scary time to be a dictator in Africa.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 31, 2023 03:32 PM (2tUFv)

261 >>After 8yrs of visiting here, I never thought it'd be Ace.

Did you miss 2016?

Because Ace was Voting for Hillary at one point.

He gets quite emotional at times.

Posted by: garrett at August 31, 2023 03:32 PM (c4O5y)

262 227 I've had it with all this shit
Posted by: Amber Heard at August 31, 2023 03:28 PM (us2H3)

Then you should get out of bed.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 31, 2023 03:29 PM (Zz0t1)

lol Sponge

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at August 31, 2023 03:32 PM (xcxpd)

263 257 How do we unravel that?

I don't think it's possible, frankly.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 31, 2023 03:31 PM (mj0Qp)

========

Crashes don't so much unravel things as break apart into tiny little pieces.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 31, 2023 03:32 PM (LvTSG)

264 187 What people need to fall asleep is something just interesting enough that they listen to it instead of thinking (thinking is a sleep-killer) but not so interesting that they are actually roused to follow it closely.
Posted by: ace at August 31, 2023 03:24 PM

Even worse, falling asleep and waking up an hour or two later and the brain kicks in instead of going back to sleep.
Happened one time to me and took about 4 hours to fall back asleep. Alarm went of about 1.5 hours later.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 31, 2023 03:32 PM (qoLdL)

265 I'm not sure where the constituency is to cut federal spending in any material way.

----------------

In general I agree. That being said, I think there is a sizable constituency that says the federal government has no right to dictate how federal spending is spent by the states.

So if federal dollars come with strings attached - and they do - perhaps you can win and lead on that alone.

Posted by: SH (But Prefer Clark Griswold) at August 31, 2023 03:32 PM (sX1BW)

266 I haven't been poisonous or vitriolic toward any DeSantis supporters, ever. I think he's done a good job as Governor. Because I support Trump I'm a "fanboi cultist bitch faggot?" Wow. Don't even know what to say.
Posted by: Sam Adams at August 31, 2023 03:29 PM (KEWDx)

Agreed.

Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at August 31, 2023 03:32 PM (5AVMW)

267 None of these rebates go to consumers. They go to Chinese manufacturers.

Posted by: Montec at August 31, 2023 03:32 PM (a2ndm)

268 So many of you are living in a fantasy world where somehow Trump magically is acquitted by a DC jury. A jury from the same jury pool that has sent hundreds of J6 people to prison for trespassing.
Posted by: Montec at August 31, 2023 03:30 PM (a2ndm)
********
It's clear to me.
Reality bites.

Posted by: redridinghood at August 31, 2023 03:32 PM (NpAcC)

269 257 I'm not sure where the constituency is to cut federal spending in any material way.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 31, 2023 03:27 PM (LvTSG)

just you wait enry iggins, just you wait !!

Posted by: REDACTED at August 31, 2023 03:32 PM (us2H3)

270 232 Trump didn't loose the election.

The deep state, the same deep state that gave us 2 scam impeachments, murdered thousands upon thousands by preventing ivermectin and hydroxy treatments, gave us the remdesivir death protocol that killed even more, gave us the ukraine war treasury looting scam and possibly WWIII, burned to death people of Maui, and on and on... that same deep state somehow played nice when it came to the 2020 election....?
Posted by: meal team 6 at August 31, 2023 03:30 PM (puj8O)

This is not the endorsement of Trump you may have thought it was.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 31, 2023 03:33 PM (KbCG3)

271 >>>Why exactly do you think he’s in a better position to fight a second stolen election now that he’s a private citizen than he was when he was the sitting president?

I don't get this. They don't, either. They never have an answer. They usually just say "Well ANYONE we put up will lose so we might as well go down fighting with Trump!"

I don't know why they fight so hard to get a candidate the nomination when they concede he will lose.

Posted by: ace at August 31, 2023 03:33 PM (KRtlO)

272 Trump had his election stolen, he didn't lose

It was a moral victory, right?

Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 31, 2023 03:33 PM (2tUFv)

273 By the way, I was as virulent an anti-Trumper as you could find. Swore I would never vote for the man. Thought he would govern as a New York liberal. He shocked me with his excellent leadership.

He didn't start any new wars. Made America energy independent. Brought manufacturing back to America. Confronted China. Gave us the Abraham Peace Accords. Moved our embassy to Jerusalem. Fought for Main Street America.

Forgive me for liking all of the above.

Posted by: Sam Adams at August 31, 2023 03:33 PM (KEWDx)

274 Posted by: JackStraw at August 31, 2023 03:30 PM (ZLI7S)

The proof is he raised $200 million dollars, which TRUMP HIMSELF publicly claimed, then the money was gone after Trump didn't spend literally even 1% on election litigation.

Go ahead and give me the explanation of what happened that doesn't involve them pocketing it. Then explain how Trump's going to win in 2024 if he couldn't stop them from stealing it in 2020.

Posted by: Theo at August 31, 2023 03:33 PM (0p/Tu)

275 I think Meatball is a good hands on administrator, but a bad campaigner.

He almost lost his first election as governor to a sodomite who soiled himself and a whole hotel room while engaged in various sex acts with a male prostitute, while under investigation by the FBI and high on drugs.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 31, 2023 03:33 PM (iw4IE)

276 "No I'll call him Trump, fanboi cultist bitch faggot. He lost the election and he'll lose the next one too. " - Ace

Hey! That's uncalled for. He's only a fanboi for himself.

And I like Trump.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 31, 2023 03:33 PM (zZu0s)

277 Ron's move is correct. It stands on its own.

Posted by: 80's music fan at August 31, 2023 03:33 PM (glGDV)

278 And yet, Trump is treating this like it's just any old primary.

He either knows what time it is or he doesn't.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 31, 2023 03:27 PM (KbCG3)

What’s the alternative? Until the system totally implodes (and we don’t want that… it would be bloody) you gotta play inside the system that exists. After all he has multiple opponents that want to beat him and are trying hard to do so….

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at August 31, 2023 03:34 PM (Q/v9F)

279 It is amazing to me to think that -- with Trump now subject to four simultaneous criminal prosecutions with corrupt prosecutors, at least two corrupt judges, and at least three corrupt jury pools filled with Trump-hating Progressive psychopaths -- there are people who don't think Trump is going to prison. Look at what they are doing to J6 defendants. Do you really think Trump is going to escape this? Do you really think we have an impartial judicial system? Do you really think we live in a nation of laws and not men?

Posted by: Anti-Faucist at August 31, 2023 03:34 PM (ik/65)

280 234 "No I'll call him Trump, fanboi cultist bitch faggot. He lost the election and he'll lose the next one too. " - Ace

RDS supporters always parroting the commie left's stale propaganda & insults when it comes to PDT/MAGA...
After 8yrs of visiting here, I never thought it'd be Ace. /smfh

You set a real good example of an unhinged little d supporter

I’m pretty sure your being paid to diss PRESIDENT TRUMP

Your sick and pathetic

Posted by: Gonzotx at August 31, 2023 03:34 PM (rKBqd)

281 So many of you are living in a fantasy world where somehow Trump magically is acquitted by a DC jury.

A DC jury would convict Trump for witchcraft.

He's getting convicted - count on it.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 31, 2023 03:34 PM (2tUFv)

282 So many of you are living in a fantasy world where somehow Trump magically is acquitted by a DC jury. A jury from the same jury pool that has sent hundreds of J6 people to prison for trespassing.
Posted by: Montec

And a judge who thinks trump committed insurrection comparing J6 to 9/11 and the Marathon bombing.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 31, 2023 03:34 PM (t/2Uw)

283 DeSantis SuperPAC folds. Founder flips to Trump per Bo Snerdley’s Twitter account.
Posted by: thathalfrican
..
You believe everything you read when it's not about your favorite?

That PAC had $400 in it and was identified as a scam months ago

https://tinyurl.com/2577ggv8

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 31, 2023 03:34 PM (w/RvR)

284 >>He didn't start any new wars. Made America energy independent. Brought manufacturing back to America. Confronted China. Gave us the Abraham Peace Accords. Moved our embassy to Jerusalem. Fought for Main Street America.

But What Have The Romans Done For US!?

Posted by: garrett at August 31, 2023 03:34 PM (c4O5y)

285 .>>Trump didn't loose the election.

Is he in the White House? No? Then he lost. Whether the election was clean or dirty, he lost by whatever the rules were at the time.

You guys just keep saying Trump didn't lose, and yet he's not in the White House and being hounded by BIDEN's DOJ. That feels like a loss.

Do you intend to have a similar "victory" in 2024, where we lose the White House again, but you get to keep saying "akshually you guys we won"?

I don't want that kind of "victory." I want the REAL kind of win, where you actually win.

Posted by: ace at August 31, 2023 03:35 PM (KRtlO)

286 >>The idea that Trump is a better candidate on the merits than RDS is....well, creative, to put it politely.

You do realize that there is a primary going on all across the country and has been for months now, the months we were all assured by DeSantis voters would be the time Ron would kick his campaign into high gear and zoom ahead of Trump, right?

Since announcing Ron has not only not zoomed ahead he has lost support. He is now trailing Ramaswamy in some states.

This ridiculous claim that somehow a candidate can lose the primary by more than 20 points and somehow be a better general election candidate is just that, ridiculous. You do no win an election without first winning the base and again Ron is losing the base.

To be polite, Ron is obviously only the better candidate in a mythical world where only DeSantis supporters venture.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 31, 2023 03:35 PM (ZLI7S)

287 I thought Trump was more of a Gorilla Channel kind of guy.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 31, 2023 03:35 PM (xTRSc)

288 If we try to balance a federal budget we have to put at least 33¢ out of every dollar spent.

Largest single line item is interest on debt.

It's over folks. No amount of management is keeping us off the rocks. And yet they stupidly keep shoveling cash at Ukraine and illegal aliens. That is self limiting at least because we're functionally bankrupt.

100% of the interest payments is paid with borrowed money. Congress, led by McCarthy just lobbied to pass another one those bankrupt spending bills.

Posted by: torabora at August 31, 2023 03:35 PM (hFPXl)

289 The whole thing is a fucking farce. It's like they chopped off Louis XVI's head and everyone said "that didn't actually happen, there's no real evidence of that, and everything will be fine when this Robespierre guy's term is up and we get Louis XVI back".... "yeah well fuck that guy, what has he ever done for us, you cultists! Louis XVII deserves his turn now!"

Meanwhile St. Just and Danton are stacking up bodies like cordwood and inventing new months.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 31, 2023 03:35 PM (9UlRk)

290 I would have loved to have seen a Trump/DeSantis ticket. And have Trump go scorched earth on the Deep State and others that have shown their disdain for this country and its citizens.

Well that is my 2 cents.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude

That was my thought as well.

I think DeSantis made a mistake coming out and running now. He should've vied for a position in Trump's cabinet or for VP.

4 more years of Trump and 8 of DeSantis would've been awesome.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 31, 2023 03:35 PM (Zz0t1)

291 I don't think Trump has as much support this time around as he did in 2020.

J6 unfortunately left an impact on a lot of LIV's and independents.

Posted by: redridinghood at August 31, 2023 03:23 PM (NpAcC)

=====

Yep. Just look at how much support he's lost from people on this very blog.

Posted by: Jordan61 at August 31, 2023 03:35 PM (DRSnL)

292 Meanwhile, Ron can't go after Trump, because Trump's base is absolutely needed, if Ron is going anywhere. So I think there's some disingenuousness by those who claim Trump is out of line here. He's not. He knows who the vipers are in that party. And so do DeSantis' backers here.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 31, 2023 03:29 PM (dGCAG)

Makes a lot of sense!!!

Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at August 31, 2023 03:35 PM (5AVMW)

293 212 DeSantis can do what he likes, but as long as he's claiming 2020 was on the up and up, he's off the table as a candidate.
Posted by: Karen at August 31, 2023 03:28 PM (UN3kR)

Show the class where DeSantis said 2020 was a clean and aboveboard election with no irregularities.

Saying that Trump lost--which he did, in the sense that he wasn't the one taking the oath of office in January 2021--is not the same as saying things were on the up and up. I watched the interview video; you evidently didn't.

Posted by: Dr. T at August 31, 2023 03:35 PM (bhRsz)

294 . Oh, look, if I buy this incredibly expensive new appliance(seriously more expensive because the government made new efficiency rules almost impossible to meet), I can get a $100 rebate.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 31, 2023 03:31 PM (t/2Uw)

Yes, I love my dishwasher than takes 3 hours to do a cycle, uses slightly less water than the old style dishwasher, and uses almost exactly the same amount of electricity. So it encourages me to waste even more water by hand washing stuff because who has 3 hours to wait for a load of dishes to be done?

Thank you federal government.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 31, 2023 03:35 PM (mj0Qp)

295 Two things can be true simultaneously

1. Trump did a good job as president.
2. Trump is not a good candidate in 2024

Posted by: Montec at August 31, 2023 03:36 PM (a2ndm)

296 And now we're paying for that. And if some have their way, we'll get to pay for that some more from 2024-2029.
Posted by: ace at August 31, 2023 03:29 PM (KRtlO)

There's three possible outcomes here: 1. Trump's the nominee, and R party supporters are going to have to deal with that. 2. The legal cases allow R party operatives in various states to remove Trump from the ballot, and when that happens, civil war breaks out. C. They kill him.

There is no option 4.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 31, 2023 03:36 PM (dGCAG)

297 Victoria Nuland Appeared "Desperate" During Africa Tour As US-Backed Leaders Overthrown
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Zerohedge has had several articles about that situation recently. While no one's been paying attention, a half dozen African governments 'with US backing', which were of course 'democratic' in the sense that one family ruled for over a half century, were overthrown.

Third worlders desperate for freedom have been seen waving the Russian flag, for some reason.

Posted by: Methos at August 31, 2023 03:36 PM (Dnobf)

298 Trump is a poopoo head?

Posted by: Marooned at August 31, 2023 03:36 PM (kt8QE)

299 >>>Even worse, falling asleep and waking up an hour or two later and the brain kicks in instead of going back to sleep.
Happened one time to me and took about 4 hours to fall back asleep. Alarm went of about 1.5 hours later.

Dude this is my entire life for the past two months.

Posted by: ace at August 31, 2023 03:36 PM (KRtlO)

300 I'm agnostic in the T v. D wars. If the Ts win, I'll vote in the general. If the Ds win, I'll vote D in the general. If Crisco wins, I'll eat myself to death.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 31, 2023 03:36 PM (FVME7)

301 >>I think DeSantis made a mistake coming out and running now.

Yep. He caved to the Donor Class.

Posted by: garrett at August 31, 2023 03:36 PM (c4O5y)

302 He's getting convicted - count on it.

Judge Chutkan has made it her life's mission to have Trump imprisoned before Election Day.

And she is going to succeed.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 31, 2023 03:37 PM (2tUFv)

303 Mitch McConnell has declined to comment.

Posted by: wth at August 31, 2023 03:37 PM (v0R5T)

304 300th?

Posted by: Marooned at August 31, 2023 03:37 PM (kt8QE)

305 A discussion or campaign based on what you've accomplished, is a campaign based on what you've accomplished. That might sound tautological, but it's the truth. Problem is someone doesn't want to have that conversation. I wonder why?

Posted by: Marcus T at August 31, 2023 03:38 PM (/Mfdi)

306 Feds giving away money is the problem

Posted by: Skip at August 31, 2023 03:38 PM (UlNlX)

307 I don't care if he goes to jail any longer.

You should, even if you don't like Trump. What's being done to him isn't about the man anymore.

Posted by: Halfhand at August 31, 2023 03:38 PM (1k6l4)

308 I now always wake up 20 minutes after falling asleep. that wake-up isn't that bad, I fall asleep again pretty quickly.

It's the wake-up after four hours that kills, because that's *kind of* barely enough sleep, and I think my brain dumps out the wake-up hormones like cortisol and then I'm f*cked.

Posted by: ace at August 31, 2023 03:38 PM (KRtlO)

309 Trump will never be found liable for raping* a manifestly crazy lady who went on national television and proclaimed that rape is sexy. That's just crazy talk!

* Yeah, yeah. Slander. Lying about not raping. Totmato tomato.

Posted by: People Who Have No Idea What Time It Is at August 31, 2023 03:38 PM (ppBhU)

310 Unless I'm trashed or utterly exhausted, it takes me an hour minimum to fall asleep. I can't shut my brain off.

I just wish it was doing something productive while it's keeping me awake.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 31, 2023 03:27 PM (Zz0t1)

Try some decaf GABA fortified Oolong tea. I like to work out late and I often go to bed about an hour after. The workout fires up your CNS so I drink a little Oolong tea. It has a calming, stress relieving effect.

Posted by: Don Aceo Coreleone at August 31, 2023 03:38 PM (OZjDX)

311 DeSantis should take the money and use it for mass deportations.

Posted by: wth at August 31, 2023 03:38 PM (v0R5T)

312 What’s the alternative? Until the system totally implodes (and we don’t want that… it would be bloody) you gotta play inside the system that exists. After all he has multiple opponents that want to beat him and are trying hard to do so….

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at August 31, 2023 03:34 PM (Q/v9F)

He saw DeSantis gathering steam in Florida and went after him. He created that issue.

Look, I'd be happy voting for him in 2024 but let's at least be fair that his strategy of going after the reddest of red governors because he dare challenge an insurmountable lead is silly. He punched down, unnecessarily, when he could use all the allies he can get.

Just my two.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 31, 2023 03:38 PM (KbCG3)

313 ever since the mugshot, the hood has Trump's back

i roll with my people

Posted by: kallisto, at August 31, 2023 03:38 PM (8ON7U)

314 love my dishwasher than takes 3 hours to do a cycle, uses slightly less water than the old style dishwasher, and uses almost exactly the same amount of electricity. So it encourages me to waste even more water by hand washing stuff because who has 3 hours to wait for a load of dishes to be done?

Thank you federal government.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 31, 2023 03:35 PM (mj0Qp)

I good a new dishwasher this summer. The default “normal” cycle is 2:35. I thought I had it set to extended or extra long wash or something. Nope that’s the base wash cycle. With add ons for extra dirty or extra rinse and shit it can go well over 3 hours.

The old one was under an hour by comparison.

But somehow this is saving the erf.

Posted by: Montec at August 31, 2023 03:38 PM (a2ndm)

315 Get up before the sun.

Get 2+ hours of Physical Activity / Exercise each day.

Lay off the Caffeine after 2-3 pm.

No screen time for 2 hours before you go to bed.

You will sleep fine.

Posted by: garrett at August 31, 2023 03:38 PM (c4O5y)

316 So what COLOR do you think we should paint the deck chairs?
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 31, 2023 03:27 PM (zZu0s)

Brown. Definitely brown. It will match all the other shit going down.

Posted by: InZona at August 31, 2023 03:38 PM (T6ga+)

317 >>The proof is he raised $200 million dollars, which TRUMP HIMSELF publicly claimed, then the money was gone after Trump didn't spend literally even 1% on election litigation.

>>Go ahead and give me the explanation of what happened that doesn't involve them pocketing it. Then explain how Trump's going to win in 2024 if he couldn't stop them from stealing it in 2020.

The money is not gone. If you are claiming it is then prove it. Just asserting something without a shred of proof does not make it so.

No, first you go ahead and explain how Ron is going to beat the cheat. What has Ron done to insure election integrity across the US not just Florida? This demand DeSantis supporters constantly make that somehow Trump and only Trump is supposed to singlehandedly fix the elections in 50 individual states is stupid.

It is not any candidates job to do that. That is the job of the Republican Party and the RNC.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 31, 2023 03:38 PM (ZLI7S)

318 This ridiculous claim that somehow a candidate can lose the primary by more than 20 points and somehow be a better general election candidate is just that, ridiculous. You do no win an election without first winning the base and again Ron is losing the base.

To be polite, Ron is obviously only the better candidate in a mythical world where only DeSantis supporters venture.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 31, 2023 03:35 PM (ZLI7S)

Of the polls and other data you're relying on to make that statement, how many show Trump beating Biden in the finals?

Posted by: Dr. T at August 31, 2023 03:39 PM (bhRsz)

319 There isn't going to be a win in 2024.
Sorry. We cannot vote our way out of this. It's a rigged system.
In no rational world could we afford to promote millions of illegals and fund some proxy war. It's going to break.

Posted by: torabora at August 31, 2023 03:39 PM (hFPXl)

320 What people need to fall asleep is something just interesting enough that they listen to it instead of thinking (thinking is a sleep-killer) but not so interesting that they are actually roused to follow it closely.
Posted by: ace at August 31, 2023 03:24 PM

That is why I use the Calm app on my phone on my night table. They have all kinds of meditation for sleep if that's your thing, bed time stories, and I use Soundscapes....ocean waves, rain, thunder, etc. they have hundreds of different sleep methods.

Posted by: Cheri at August 31, 2023 03:39 PM (oiNtH)

321 270 232 Trump didn't loose the election.

The deep state, the same deep state that gave us 2 scam impeachments, murdered thousands upon thousands by preventing ivermectin and hydroxy treatments, gave us the remdesivir death protocol that killed even more, gave us the ukraine war treasury looting scam and possibly WWIII, burned to death people of Maui, and on and on... that same deep state somehow played nice when it came to the 2020 election....?
Posted by: meal team 6 at August 31, 2023 03:30 PM (puj8O)

This is not the endorsement of Trump you may have thought it was.
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Im not endorsing Trump, I'm saying he did not lose the 2020 election.

Posted by: meal team 6 at August 31, 2023 03:39 PM (puj8O)

322 i I defend Trump

Posted by: George Constanza, cow fucker at August 31, 2023 03:39 PM (8fpTj)

323 A lot of unfamiliar names commenting on this thread…

Posted by: tubal at August 31, 2023 03:39 PM (PCK5/)

324 Is he in the White House? No? Then he lost. Whether the election was clean or dirty, he lost by whatever the rules were at the time.

You guys just keep saying Trump didn't lose, and yet he's not in the White House and being hounded by BIDEN's DOJ. That feels like a loss.

Do you intend to have a similar "victory" in 2024, where we lose the White House again, but you get to keep saying "akshually you guys we won"?

I don't want that kind of "victory." I want the REAL kind of win, where you actually win.

Posted by: ace at August 31, 2023 03:35 PM (KRtlO)

What a silly position to take. You can't deny a truth then somehow mount your high horse.... I wonder if you will even understand what I said.

Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at August 31, 2023 03:39 PM (5AVMW)

325 301 >>I think DeSantis made a mistake coming out

he played the clandestine cocksucker so well

as does his supporters

Posted by: REDACTED at August 31, 2023 03:39 PM (us2H3)

326 I had a lot of trouble sleeping until I started reading the Bible and believing. I've also disconnected as much as possible.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 31, 2023 03:40 PM (/Mfdi)

327 The destructive green agenda needs to be talked about but it's completely missing.
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In the debate, only Ramaswamy stated unequivocally that Gorbal Warmening is nonsense.

This is a problem.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at August 31, 2023 03:40 PM (sWM8x)

328 Had to get a new heat pump a few months ago. I could have gotten a cheaper model but instead got a more expensive one that met the energy efficiency requirements for the tax credit.

Depending on your income level, you can get up to the entire cost of the new one as a tax credit. (Not a deduction. There's a big difference.)

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at August 31, 2023 03:40 PM (fv27Y)

329 For no reason I'll offer my thoughts on Trump and RDS and will admit to liking both - would vote for either.

1. I think it would be in RDS' best interest to be a passionate defender of Trump on pretty much all things - other than perhaps his Covid response.

2. I think it would be in Trump's best interest to be a passionate defender of RDS and what he has done for FL - including his Covid response.

Trump has a built in well of support that seems willing to stick with him no matter what. If true, he shouldn't have to worry about RDS getting a groundswell.

RDS must have Trump's voters - in the small event he wins the nomination - which would likely only happen should something external happen to Trump (conviction, illness, etc).

For the sake of the nation, we would be better if they were supportive of one another.

Normally, I would say in a campaign it is attack and attack. But these are not normal times.

Posted by: SH (But Prefer Clark Griswold) at August 31, 2023 03:40 PM (sX1BW)

330 Everyone needs to remember once the guillotine comes out, it's hard to put away. Take a deep breath while you can.

Posted by: A person afraid of the LGBTQ lobby at August 31, 2023 03:40 PM (5DTn7)

331 nitey nite sleepytime strategery

draw an epsom salt bath, throw in some drops of essential oils: lavender, bergamot. about 4 drops each should be enough

soak for a while

sleep....(once you're out of the tub of course)

Posted by: kallisto, at August 31, 2023 03:40 PM (8ON7U)

332 Judge Chutkan has made it her life's mission to have Trump imprisoned before Election Day.

And she is going to succeed.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 31, 2023 03:37 PM (2tUFv)

Then why do hardcore Desantis fan argue so viscously against Trump if this is so manifestly obvious 'fanboi, cultist, poopoo head, so and so'?

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 31, 2023 03:40 PM (zZu0s)

333 It's over folks. No amount of management is keeping us off the rocks. And yet they stupidly keep shoveling cash at Ukraine and illegal aliens. That is self limiting at least because we're functionally bankrupt.
100% of the interest payments is paid with borrowed money. Congress, led by McCarthy just lobbied to pass another one those bankrupt spending bills.
Posted by: torabora at August 31, 2023 03:35 PM (hFPXl)

Good. The sooner EBTs and federal checks to retirees and layabouts happens the sooner we can move on without washington dc in our lives.

Hurry up for crying out loud.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 31, 2023 03:40 PM (iw4IE)

334 I would have loved seeing a Trump-DeSantis ticket. I'd have supported it without reservation. But, we can't have that, because Trump is evil and bad and orange and wrong. And bad and evil. And orange. And his accomplishments in office must all be ignored.

Posted by: Sam Adams at August 31, 2023 03:40 PM (KEWDx)

335 >>>You set a real good example of an unhinged little d supporter
I’m pretty sure your being paid to diss PRESIDENT TRUMP
Your sick and pathetic
Posted by: Gonzotx

if I call this guy a stupid shit, is Sam Adams gonna WHINE "look what he's saying about ALL of us Trump supporters!" ?

I'm so sick of this crap. This is Identity Politics, Trump-style. I can't speak to ONE Trump supporter without being accused of "dissing" ALL Trump supporters.

Posted by: ace at August 31, 2023 03:41 PM (KRtlO)

336 I am so disgusted by Trump's attacks on DeSantis, especially while Hurricane Idalia was savaging Florida and DeSantis was doing his usual incredible job of disaster prep and recovery, that I will be voting for DeSantis in the primary. Trump has turned into a disgusting troll and has made everything about him while saying he is standing in the breach for we the people. Trump failed hard during Covid and even harder after the 2020 election by failing to prepare in advance for election fraud and by putting on a hideous circus afterwards with Krakens galore. I voted for Trump in 2016 and 2020 but pray that DeSantis gets the nomination.

Posted by: Wilber at August 31, 2023 03:41 PM (cT/LU)

337 On the Tech thread Pixy had this:

"Disclaimer: Kemal Ataturk owned an entire menagerie of animals all named Abdul."

Leno would have preferred Ahmed (pron: ack-med)

Thanks for the laugh Pixy.

Posted by: Ciampino at August 31, 2023 03:41 PM (qfLjt)

338 Biden-flation's budgetary bullshit may explain the sudden uptick in jerkoffs trying to sell me energy efficient solar powered whateverthefucks at my front door, despite the huge fucking "NO SOLICITING" sticker that's right there.

Posted by: Literacy and IQs have plummeted at August 31, 2023 03:41 PM (fhX0j)

339 331 nitey nite sleepytime strategery

draw an epsom salt bath, throw in some drops of essential oils: lavender, bergamot. about 4 drops each should be enough

soak for a while

sleep....(once you're out of the tub of course)
Posted by: kallisto, at August 31, 2023 03:40 PM (8ON7U)

That's a chick recipe.

ace, it might make your fur smell better.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 31, 2023 03:41 PM (zZu0s)

340 319 There isn't going to be a win in 2024.
Sorry. We cannot vote our way out of this. It's a rigged system.
In no rational world could we afford to promote millions of illegals and fund some proxy war. It's going to break.

well, you're just a refreshing ray of sunshine, aren't you?

Posted by: anachronda at August 31, 2023 03:41 PM (oY6Yp)

341 What people need to fall asleep is something just interesting enough that they listen to it instead of thinking (thinking is a sleep-killer) but not so interesting that they are actually roused to follow it closely.

Posted by: ace at August 31, 2023 03:24 PM (KRtlO)

That's what I use - audio books of things I have read 1000 times and like, but are so well known that missing chunks doesn't faze you, you just pick it up if you wake up.

Before audiobooks I was often able to hold a book while sleeping and keep my place, but the light was suboptimal. The odd part was times I dreamed of being in bed reading a book, which I knew by the content of the reading changing on me without my brain registering surprise - well most of it, a tiny bit did notice.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 31, 2023 03:41 PM (eoQWY)

342 Humans: I can barely sleep at night.

https://tinyurl.com/yb5j3mc5

Posted by: Lost In Space at August 31, 2023 03:41 PM (jlbtb)

343 Is he in the White House? No? Then he lost. Whether the election was clean or dirty, he lost by whatever the rules were at the time.

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This is a fair statement. He (We) was cheated. But he is not President. Is he the best to overcome whatever cheating may be forthcoming? I guess that is the question.

Posted by: SH (But Prefer Clark Griswold) at August 31, 2023 03:41 PM (sX1BW)

344 Posted by: JackStraw at August 31, 2023 03:38 PM (ZLI7S)

You know that PACs and such are required to file with the FEC, and we know that Trump's doesn't have that money, right? If you didn't know about any of that, that's on you. Just because you can't see something doesn't mean it's not there.

Second, Trump just lost in 2020 because people don't like him. Democrats didn't need to cheat; Trump is just deeply despised by Middle America.

Go ahead and explain how Glenn Youngkin won in a state Trump got annihilated in, how Brian Kemp cruised in a state Trump got slaughtered in, how a bunch of California and New York Republicans downballot won in districts Trump didn't come close to winning.

Strange how Democrats' rigging affects Trump and only Trump.

Posted by: Theo at August 31, 2023 03:42 PM (0p/Tu)

345 Can't do the Trump vs. De Santis fighting now. I will vote for whoever gets the R nomination unless they're a complete Rino, if we're still having elections and I'm still alive, (Running for office is exhausting me and it's only a local thing .) Trump has drawbacks. DeSantis has drawbacks, and yes, Trump is not my god, never was and never will be. My God said "My kingdom is not of this world."

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 31, 2023 03:42 PM (RSbhh)

346 Point of order:

The Proprietor gets to mount any high horse he so chooses.

(Even if it's a silly horse with busted teeth and fucked up hooves)

(Hoofs?)

(No, definitely hooves...)

Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 31, 2023 03:42 PM (9UlRk)

347 To be polite, Ron is obviously only the better candidate in a mythical world where only DeSantis supporters venture.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 31, 2023 03:35 PM (ZLI7S)

I get the impression Ron took a look at who his big money backers are, and he doesn't like them any more than the rest of us do. Which would explain his lackluster "campaign" up to this point. He's wrestling with his conscience.

Assuming he has one.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 31, 2023 03:42 PM (dGCAG)

348 >>>ut, we can't have that, because Trump is evil and bad and orange and wrong.

no you can't have that because Trump called DeSantis a gay pedophile who cheats on his wife and won't support DeSantis if he's the nominee.

Trump went scorched earth, not us.

Posted by: ace at August 31, 2023 03:42 PM (KRtlO)

349 It's the wake-up after four hours that kills, because that's *kind of* barely enough sleep, and I think my brain dumps out the wake-up hormones like cortisol and then I'm f*cked.

I'm not saying this to be a shit, but I think maybe you're highly strung. You have very elaborate explanations for what is going wrong with your sleep cycle. You may need to do something radical, like have sex with a woman, get your ass kicked in a sparring match. Do something to get out of your own head.

I'm not licensed to practice medicine or anything, of course. (But have you seen the jamooks who are lately?)

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at August 31, 2023 03:42 PM (ppBhU)

350 This is not the endorsement of Trump you may have thought it was.
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Im not endorsing Trump, I'm saying he did not lose the 2020 election.
Posted by: meal team 6 at August 31, 2023 03:39 PM (puj8O)

I mean, he's not living in the White House right now.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 31, 2023 03:42 PM (KbCG3)

351 You do realize that there is a primary going on all across the country and has been for months now, the months we were all assured by DeSantis voters would be the time Ron would kick his campaign into high gear and zoom ahead of Trump, right?

Posted by: JackStraw at August 31, 2023 03:35 PM (ZLI7S)

Jackstraw, you rarely say silly things, but this here is just laughable. I don't know any DeSantis supporters who thought or said that. I am one of them, and I knew from the start that it would be an uphill battle and that Trump would probably get the nomination.

That doesn't mean that I have to accept a Trump nomination as a fait accompli.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 31, 2023 03:42 PM (lQONO)

352 334 I would have loved seeing a Trump-DeSantis ticket. I'd have supported it without reservation. But, we can't have that, because Trump is evil and bad and orange and wrong. And bad and evil. And orange. And his accomplishments in office must all be ignored.
Posted by: Sam Adams at August 31, 2023 03:40 PM (KEWDx)

Geez, this is beautiful.

Is he orange? And evil- but still more orange?

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 31, 2023 03:42 PM (zZu0s)

353 Trump didn't loose the election.

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America lost the election.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 31, 2023 03:42 PM (FVME7)

354 Get 2+ hours of Physical Activity / Exercise each day.

Posted by: garrett at August 31, 2023 03:38 PM (c4O5y)

=====

Sheesh. I ain't got time for that.

Posted by: Jordan61 at August 31, 2023 03:42 PM (DRSnL)

355 339 That's a chick recipe.

ace, it might make your fur smell better.

"no more tears" baby shampoo. my word as a biden.

Posted by: kid-sniffin' joe at August 31, 2023 03:43 PM (oY6Yp)

356 and I use Soundscapes....ocean waves, rain, thunder, etc. they have hundreds of different sleep methods.
Posted by: Cheri

I open my window.

Posted by: nurse ratched, otter 841 superfan at August 31, 2023 03:43 PM (h01er)

357 Let me know when Trump puts together a cogent case and talking points on exactly how the election was stolen. Not only that but specifics to address those issues. Because as of now he hasn't done that. He's made it a throwaway line in speeches and interviews. He also backed the idiot McDaniel who feel's everything is just fine.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 31, 2023 03:43 PM (/Mfdi)

358 Read up on Chutkan. Daddy and Uncle were top commies in Jamaica. Fred Hill was her dad.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 31, 2023 03:43 PM (FDQ4h)

359 There isn't going to be a win in 2024.
Sorry. We cannot vote our way out of this. It's a rigged system.
In no rational world could we afford to promote millions of illegals and fund some proxy war. It's going to break.

Truth. Be nice if we can all come together more before the break but the primary circus won't allow it

Posted by: brak at August 31, 2023 03:43 PM (25k9m)

360 meatball supporters believe in

A that if we get rid of Trump, the left hate machine will stand down and not just change coordinates

B the left will cheat less

this is the textbook definition of stoopid

Posted by: REDACTED at August 31, 2023 03:43 PM (us2H3)

361 Would be more accurate to say Trump didn’t legitimately lose the 2020 election

I’m wondering who these people are that demand DeSantis support Trump in everything

I don’t really expect that of DeSantis and my preference right now is for Trump

DeSantis has been a great governor but it hasn’t translated well into being a good presidential candidate.

Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger at August 31, 2023 03:43 PM (VTu1l)

362 DeSantis should cave just before the deadline and tell everyone "if the feds are going to make it so you will never retire, you might as well get half off on solar panels"

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at August 31, 2023 03:43 PM (3b3P6)

363 Then why do hardcore Desantis fan argue so viscously against Trump if this is so manifestly obvious 'fanboi, cultist, poopoo head, so and so'?

It's DeSantis' supporters arguing viciously against the opposition candidate?

Pull the other one.

I think that what is happening to Trump is an outrage and should be resisted.

That doesn't mean that I think that Trump should be the Republican nominee.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 31, 2023 03:43 PM (2tUFv)

364 >>You should, even if you don't like Trump. What's being done to him isn't about the man anymore.

Never was. Trump isn't a parent being designated a domestic terrorist. Trump isn't having his kids bombarded with sexual garbage. Trump isn't living with the crime and drugs of an open border. They are coming after us.

The idea that if we just get rid of Trump the beatings will stop and we will return to the glory days of a constitutional republic is silly. They ran a color revolution against us to change the character of our government and our culture. They will attempt to destroy anyone we put up. Choose your weapon.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 31, 2023 03:43 PM (ZLI7S)

365 I like DeSantis. I defend Trump because they have attacked him so mercilessly.

I don't really think that either can win. The Republic is over. The proved that they can corrupt the ballot box.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at August 31, 2023 03:44 PM (8fpTj)

366 I recommend against drinking myself to sleep, because I don't remember dreaming and doubt I ever get good sleep that way. Usually, exercise and maybe some melatonin seems to be the most effective. Although melatonin gives me weird dreams: sometimes, I'll have the recurring dream where I'm somewhere public, and have to piss. And the bathrooms are either horribly filthy, or out of order, and I have to go somewhere inappropriate - trash can, sink, ladies room, etc. And I always get caught. Last time, Ronald Regan and my long-deceased Dad walked in on me peeing in the sink.

Posted by: Rhubarb Ranch at August 31, 2023 03:44 PM (kc0fx)

367 308 I now always wake up 20 minutes after falling asleep. that wake-up isn't that bad, I fall asleep again pretty quickly.

It's the wake-up after four hours that kills, because that's *kind of* barely enough sleep, and I think my brain dumps out the wake-up hormones like cortisol and then I'm f*cked.

Sorry to hear that ace. You should re-visit your own post about sleep strategy that you posted awhile back. Good sleep vs. bad sleep is mostly about the choices we make leading up to that sleep.

Exercise, artificial light, proper nutritional intake make the difference. If I get poor sleep it's usually my own fault. If I get good sleep it's because I was disciplined enough to make the right choices that day.

Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at August 31, 2023 03:44 PM (OZjDX)

368 >>>hat's what I use - audio books of things I have read 1000 times and like, but are so well known that missing chunks doesn't faze you, you just pick it up if you wake up.

yeah, I've used this one audiobook by Peter Bart about the box office in the 1998 (I think) summer season. It's so boring. I haven't listened to it all the way through but it's boring enough to work.

I don't know why I bought it. Okay that's a lie, I do: I heard that he talks about the failure of the 1998 Avengers with Ray Fiennes and Sean connery and for some reason I wanted to hear about that huge bomb. But he barely talks about it, and all he says about it is the obvious. There's no details explaining how the bomb was made.

Posted by: ace at August 31, 2023 03:44 PM (KRtlO)

369 20 Ramaswamy is DA MAN!!!!!!

I'm starting to get the vibe he is a plant. One that throws red meat even meatier than Trump to peel away support from Don and DeSantis. The lack of attacks and pushbacks on his statements from the usual leftists make me say hmmm.

Posted by: scruboak at August 31, 2023 03:44 PM (I+dwr)

370 349 like have sex with a woman, get your ass kicked in a sparring match.

embrace the healing power of "and"

Posted by: worf at August 31, 2023 03:45 PM (oY6Yp)

371 A lot of unfamiliar names commenting on this thread…
Posted by: tubal at August 31, 2023 03:39 PM (PCK5/)

Yeah, I see a comment, go to hit respond, then see the name, and realize there's no point.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 31, 2023 03:45 PM (dGCAG)

372 >>>Sorry to hear that ace. You should re-visit your own post about sleep strategy that you posted awhile back. Good sleep vs. bad sleep is mostly about the choices we make leading up to that sleep.

Exercise, artificial light, proper nutritional intake make the difference. If I get poor sleep it's usually my own fault. If I get good sleep it's because I was disciplined enough to make the right choices that day.

...

I'm doing all that!

Posted by: ace at August 31, 2023 03:45 PM (KRtlO)

373 Dude this is my entire life for the past two months.
Posted by: ace

Then highly recommend the no booze bedtime approach. Tipsy makes falling asleep easier, but when I wake from that at 2 am... there's no going back.

For brain shutdown, I'll sometimes bite the bullet, get up, write a note to do/think about whatever is on my mind the next day. It works.... sometimes.

Posted by: She Hobbit (out and about in Middle Earth) at August 31, 2023 03:45 PM (wwFJ2)

374 >>Sheesh. I ain't got time for that.

It can be chores. Walking. Physical Labor is the best exercise.

Doesn't have to be straight up gym type exercise.

Posted by: garrett at August 31, 2023 03:45 PM (c4O5y)

375 When Trump goes after some of his fiercest defenders he loses support of people that voted for him in 2020 with statements like this-

"Kayleigh 'Milktoast' McEnany just gave out the wrong poll numbers on FoxNews," Trump wrote.

"I am 34 points up on DeSanctimonious, not 25 up. While 25 is great, it's not 34. She knew the number was corrected upwards by the group that did the poll. The RINOS & Globalists can have her. FoxNews should only use REAL Stars!!!"

Posted by: redridinghood at August 31, 2023 03:45 PM (NpAcC)

376 360 meatball supporters believe in

A that if we get rid of Trump, the left hate machine will stand down and not just change coordinates

B the left will cheat less

this is the textbook definition of stoopid
Posted by: REDACTED at August 31, 2023 03:43 PM (us2H3)

OR...they believe that these things will continue and DeSantis may fare better against them.

Whether that's true is up to you but there is a third possibility here.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 31, 2023 03:45 PM (KbCG3)

377 Never mind the politics...this is a fascinating idea, solar panels for the poors who are so poor but somehow own houses...let's go all the way! Solar panels for the homeless! Little ones on hats that they can plug in when sitting by an outlet

Posted by: Azjaeger at August 31, 2023 03:45 PM (c1xWQ)

378 Remember some that learned TeaParty rhetoric to get elected? Think any career politicians between 2016 and now learned MAGA rhetoric just to advance their political career?

NO OF COURSE NOT RUBE!!! That's just Cult Of Trump talk!!!
Posted by: Ni**as 4 Trump at August 31, 2023 03:31 PM

Whatever happened to that rising star conservative young gun....Paul Bryan or something? He was gonna rein in Federal spending AND bureaucratic overreach if he ever got power, I tell you! That handsome young man was someone you could TRUST.

Posted by: Low-Info Republican Boomer Fox News Voter at August 31, 2023 03:45 PM (JCZqz)

379 Get 2+ hours of Physical Activity / Exercise each day.

Posted by: garrett at August 31, 2023 03:38 PM (c4O5y)

Masturbation doesn't count.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 31, 2023 03:46 PM (lQONO)

380 the only thing I've forgotten to do is to See Sunlight within 20 minutes of waking up. I'll try that again tomorrow. That actually has worked before.

Posted by: ace at August 31, 2023 03:46 PM (KRtlO)

381
I open my window.
Posted by: nurse ratched, otter 841 superfan at August 31, 2023 03:43 PM (h01er)

That's hot.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 31, 2023 03:46 PM (Zz0t1)

382 299 Dude this is my entire life for the past two months.
Posted by: ace at August 31, 2023 03:36 PM

Ugh, wish I had a fix for it. I just try not to eat a heavy meal for dinner, avoid caffeine or any other stimulant. Granted, I am a couch potato when I get home from work and have not been to the gym in since before the Coof. I would suggest working out in the evening but I get the feeling you already do something like this.

I got nothing else except the chemical route (sleeping pills/aids) which I myself would never do.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 31, 2023 03:46 PM (qoLdL)

383 Marcus T, Do you think I am a fool? Do you think that I am an imbecile?

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at August 31, 2023 03:46 PM (8fpTj)

384 378 Whatever happened to that rising star conservative young gun....Paul Bryan or something? He was gonna rein in Federal spending AND bureaucratic overreach if he ever got power, I tell you! That handsome young man was someone you could TRUST.
Posted by: Low-Info Republican Boomer Fox News Voter at August 31, 2023 03:45 PM (JCZqz)

=======

He was going to balance the budget in 50 years! Assuming Congress never spent more again ever!

It was rock-solid!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 31, 2023 03:46 PM (LvTSG)

385 I'm doing all that!

Posted by: ace at August 31, 2023 03:45 PM (KRtlO)

Ace, have you tried woofing down some cat food and huffing some glue? Charlie and Frank swear by it.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 31, 2023 03:46 PM (KbCG3)

386 GABA plus theanine helps with nighttime anxiety issues. I'm sure that's been suggested to you before but it works for me.

Posted by: brak at August 31, 2023 03:46 PM (25k9m)

387 DeSantis is done politically, he will either be out of politics in two years or fighting Rick Scott or Rubio for a Senate seat.

While he was an adequate Governor, he was not and is not the paradigm shifting politician he or his advocates fancied him to be.

It is what it is, sometimes politics is strange that way.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 31, 2023 03:46 PM (rc3Z7)

388 >>>meatball supporters believe in
A that if we get rid of Trump, the left hate machine will stand down and not just change coordinates
B the left will cheat less
this is the textbook definition of stoopid

and what do you believe? You run the same play you did in 2020 but this time it works because... why? Trump's a better campaigner when he's campagning from jail?

Posted by: ace at August 31, 2023 03:47 PM (KRtlO)

389 this is the textbook definition of stoopid

Posted by: REDACTED at August 31, 2023 03:43 PM (us2H3)

And your comment was a textbook example of a straw-man argument.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 31, 2023 03:47 PM (lQONO)

390 What a silly position to take. You can't deny a truth then somehow mount your high horse.... I wonder if you will even understand what I said.
Posted by: SSBN 656 (G)
....

You guys simply don't get it.

If Trump is the nominee, we lose. Period.

Swarms of former Trump voters have turned against him. And his base just isn't enough.

I voted for him twice. Never again.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 31, 2023 03:47 PM (w/RvR)

391 You may need to do something radical, like have sex with a woman, get your ass kicked in a sparring match.

Unless you're Chad the chances of the first are vanishingly small. Go for the sparring match.

Posted by: There's always heroin, but you might not wake up at August 31, 2023 03:47 PM (fhX0j)

392 >> the only thing I've forgotten to do is to See Sunlight within 20 minutes of waking up. I'll try that again tomorrow. That actually has worked before.

Find a spot to watch the sunrise and do it every day for 2-3 weeks.
Better still if it is a short walk to get to it.

Posted by: garrett at August 31, 2023 03:47 PM (c4O5y)

393 There isn't going to be a win in 2024.
Sorry. We cannot vote our way out of this. It's a rigged system.

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That ought to help what the insomnia problems.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 31, 2023 03:47 PM (FVME7)

394 Sorry to hear that ace. You should re-visit your own post about sleep strategy that you posted awhile back. Good sleep vs. bad sleep is mostly about the choices we make leading up to that sleep.

Exercise, artificial light, proper nutritional intake make the difference. If I get poor sleep it's usually my own fault. If I get good sleep it's because I was disciplined enough to make the right choices that day.

...

I'm doing all that!
Posted by: ace at August 31, 2023 03:45 PM (KRtlO)

Trump supporters always get great sleep. Luxurious sleep. Huuuge sleep. The best sleep.

Posted by: Joe, living dangerously at August 31, 2023 03:47 PM (fKIdX)

395 341 What people need to fall asleep is something just interesting enough that they listen to it instead of thinking (thinking is a sleep-killer) but not so interesting that they are actually roused to follow it closely.

Posted by: ace at August 31, 2023 03:24 PM (KRtlO)

That's what I use - audio books of things I have read 1000 times and like, but are so well known that missing chunks doesn't faze you, you just pick it up if you wake up.

mrs. chronda is a night owl and, consequently, has trained me to sleep with the tv on. what does it for is that harry potter goblet of fire movie; i'm usually asleep by the time the proud sons of durmstrang strut in.

Posted by: anachronda at August 31, 2023 03:47 PM (oY6Yp)

396 Nah, Democrats won't stop their law fare. They've already hinted at going after DeSantis on federal charges for his illegal immigration policies.

They will undermine any Republican candidate that way. It's one reason why we need to win, badly.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 31, 2023 03:47 PM (/Mfdi)

397 375 When Trump goes after some of his fiercest defenders he loses support of people that voted for him in 2020 with statements like this-

"Kayleigh 'Milktoast' McEnany just gave out the wrong poll numbers on FoxNews," Trump wrote.

"I am 34 points up on DeSanctimonious, not 25 up. While 25 is great, it's not 34. She knew the number was corrected upwards by the group that did the poll. The RINOS & Globalists can have her. FoxNews should only use REAL Stars!!!"
Posted by: redridinghood at August 31, 2023 03:45 PM (NpAcC)

What a stupid thing for him to say.

Posted by: tubal at August 31, 2023 03:47 PM (PCK5/)

398 Masturbation doesn't count.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

Rated: FALSE

Posted by: The good fact checkers at August 31, 2023 03:48 PM (wwFJ2)

399 Masturbation doesn't count.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 31, 2023 03:46 PM

Pete hardest hit.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 31, 2023 03:48 PM (aQy7p)

400 I don't think Trump has as much support this time around as he did in 2020.

_____

Trump's stock has gone way, way down.

Every election since 2016, Republicans have done poorly.

The fact that 3/4 of people don't want Trump to run shows you how much people loathe the guy.

Trump winning in 2016 had more to do with Hillary than people want to admit. Once you took Hillary out of the equation, suddenly Trump loses everything he touches.

Posted by: Blago at August 31, 2023 03:48 PM (wMRY8)

401 But first the GOP can ead shit from my ass.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at August 31, 2023 03:48 PM (z7mF5)

402 They will attempt to destroy anyone we put up. Choose your weapon.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 31, 2023 03:43 PM (ZLI7S)

Concur. Nixon was the debbil in 1960 and 1968-72.
Ford was a baby debbil in 1976. Reagan was big debbil from 1980-1988 then the debbil Pappy Bush from 1988-1992. Little Bush was the debbil from 2000-2008. Now President Trump is the debbil from 2016 until dead or replaced by Meatball Debbil or Curry Debbil, etc.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 31, 2023 03:48 PM (iw4IE)

403 >>>While he was an adequate Governor, he was not and is not the paradigm shifting politician he or his advocates fancied him to be.

lol, compare to Trump

Trump hired the Swamp and executed mostly normal establishment GOP policies (tax cuts, for example). He did try to do something about illegal immigration, but failed.

Has the paradigm shifted?

DeSantis is a chance to lock the new paradigm into place, but you guys are determined that only Trump can deliver Trumpism, which means Trumpism dies with Trump. There is no heir, because Trump is jealous of any heir and destroys them.

Posted by: ace at August 31, 2023 03:49 PM (KRtlO)

404 oh I just scrolled upthread and saw comment 76 -

It's nice to see RDS continuing the fine GOPe governor tradition of fvcking over constiutents in favor of big money from energy companies

as Gov Corbett did to us in PA

Posted by: kallisto, at August 31, 2023 03:49 PM (8ON7U)

405 comment not found

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 31, 2023 03:49 PM (LvTSG)

406 399 Masturbation doesn't count.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 31, 2023 03:46 PM

Pete hardest hit.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 31, 2023 03:48 PM (aQy7p)

Not harder than Little Pete is getting hit.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at August 31, 2023 03:49 PM (ppBhU)

407 dammit

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 31, 2023 03:49 PM (LvTSG)

408 RDS supporters make the case that he’s a better candidate and generally - almost unanimously - say they’d still vote for Trump in the general.

Trump supporters on the other hand spew shit about meatballs and how it’s Trump or nothing.

Posted by: Montec at August 31, 2023 03:49 PM (a2ndm)

409 Marcus T, Do you think I am a fool? Do you think that I am an imbecile?
Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at August 31, 2023 03:46 PM (8fpTj)

"Am I a clown? Do I 'muse you?"

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 31, 2023 03:49 PM (Zz0t1)

410 In before the Trump Wars!

Posted by: ShainS -- Deplorable AND Listless Vessel AND Overimaginative Scamp at August 31, 2023 03:49 PM (9jFWV)

411 My fool proof always works strategy to deal with insomnia is three chewable baby aspirins, two extended release tylenol and three 5mg melatonin gummies.

This works 99pct of the time, for all other cases, Gin.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 31, 2023 03:49 PM (rc3Z7)

412 408 RDS supporters make the case that he’s a better candidate and generally - almost unanimously - say they’d still vote for Trump in the general.

Trump supporters on the other hand spew shit about meatballs and how it’s Trump or nothing.
Posted by: Montec at August 31, 2023 03:49 PM (a2ndm)

=======

There are several examples in this thread of people saying they'd vote for DeSantis and not Trump.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 31, 2023 03:49 PM (LvTSG)

413 Trump winning in 2016 had more to do with Hillary than people want to admit. Once you took Hillary out of the equation, suddenly Trump loses everything he touches.

Posted by: Blago at August 31, 2023 03:48 PM (wMRY

What was Trump's vote total in 2016?

What was it in 2020?

Why do people act like he lost votes?

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 31, 2023 03:50 PM (KbCG3)

414 >>>Trump supporters always get great sleep. Luxurious sleep. Huuuge sleep. The best sleep.

Sign me up!

Posted by: ace at August 31, 2023 03:50 PM (KRtlO)

415 387 DeSantis is done politically, he will either be out of politics in two years or fighting Rick Scott or Rubio for a Senate seat.

he has no chance against either

Marco is unassailable in FL

Rick Scott shit more IQ this morning than meatball has

no way, Jose

he need s to stick to his class. Andrew Gillum or the gray fag

Posted by: REDACTED at August 31, 2023 03:50 PM (us2H3)

416 It's the wake-up after four hours that kills, because that's *kind of* barely enough sleep, and I think my brain dumps out the wake-up hormones like cortisol and then I'm f*cked.
Posted by: ace at August 31, 2023 03:38 PM (KRtlO)

Man that is exactly right, that's why I dose myself with a 600 mg ibuprofen, 4 100mg Gabapentins, 5 10 mg melatonin tabs and 3 generic Benadryl.... even when I wake up to pee I can still go right back to sleep.......

Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at August 31, 2023 03:50 PM (5AVMW)

417 Go ahead and explain how Glenn Youngkin won in a state Trump got annihilated in, how Brian Kemp cruised in a state Trump got slaughtered in, how a bunch of California and New York Republicans downballot won in districts Trump didn't come close to winning.

Strange how Democrats' rigging affects Trump and only Trump.
Posted by: Theo at August 31, 2023 03:42 PM (0p/Tu)

Kemp fixed it for himself. former SOS, set up the election system then became governor... why does he have to be clean?
I'll also say that it's clear to me a cheat like what occurred can only go off with the GOP accepting it. So pointing to GOP that won doesn't exactly mean much to me.
I don't see any signs that Younkin is shady, it's possible the school stuff was enough for him to overcome Lib shenanigans.

Posted by: Inogame at August 31, 2023 03:50 PM (53oGX)

418 I don't know why they fight so hard to get a candidate the nomination when they concede he will lose.

Posted by: ace at August 31, 2023 03:33 PM (KRtlO)

They have to believe that any Republican would lose in order to cope with Trump's loss. If DeSantis wins the nomination and then wins in November it will prove them wrong so they would rather lose again with Trump.

Posted by: Mark1971 at August 31, 2023 03:50 PM (xPl2J)

419 Victoria Nuland Appeared "Desperate" During Africa Tour As US-Backed Leaders Overthrown
-
Zerohedge has had several articles about that situation recently. While no one's been paying attention, a half dozen African governments 'with US backing', which were of course 'democratic' in the sense that one family ruled for over a half century, were overthrown.

Third worlders desperate for freedom have been seen waving the Russian flag, for some reason.
Posted by: Methos at August 31, 2023 03:36 PM (Dnobf)

Interesting thing about the Gabon coup (the most recent) is someone claiming that the Americans did it since the head of the army is their dude and that they are taking the chance to snatch the country from the French. Wish I though us triggering a random coup was not possible but these days I can't.

I don't think Russia is 'doing this' because it seems that Wagner's boss getting frisky there is part of the reason he got killed. On the other hand if African states want to take advantage of the situation where the US and France are distracted Russia isn't going to stand in the way.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 31, 2023 03:50 PM (eoQWY)

420 405 comment not found
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 31, 2023 03:49 PM (LvTSG)

Gotta say, I really don't get it.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 31, 2023 03:51 PM (KbCG3)

421 and what do you believe? You run the same play you did in 2020 but this time it works because... why? Trump's a better campaigner when he's campagning from jail?

Posted by: ace at August 31, 2023 03:47 PM (KRtlO)

Bingo.

When Trump explains exactly what he is doing and going to do to combat the cheat, then I will pay attention. But all he has done was support the status quo.

Hell, he should have campaigned HARD for Dhillon as RNC chair...she took the steal seriously and had good ideas about what to do to combat it.

Instead? He supported McDaniel. The person who did nothing to fight the first steal!

Pathetic.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 31, 2023 03:51 PM (lQONO)

422 >>>2 408 RDS supporters make the case that he’s a better candidate and generally - almost unanimously - say they’d still vote for Trump in the general.

Trump supporters on the other hand spew shit about meatballs and how it’s Trump or nothing.
Posted by: Montec at August 31, 2023 03:49 PM (a2ndm)

=======

There are several examples in this thread of people saying they'd vote for DeSantis and not Trump.

...

Yes, TJM, but the sentiment that it's Trump or No One is very big among the Trumpers.

Which is why I myself am not toying with the DeSantis or No One position. Fight fire with fire.

Posted by: ace at August 31, 2023 03:51 PM (KRtlO)

423 A drag queen who has a child porn arrest on his record just got hired as an elementary school principal in OK.

What. The. Fuck?

https://is.gd/uqvrBT

Posted by: bonhomme at August 31, 2023 03:51 PM (0N1h0)

424 410 In before the Trump Wars!
Posted by: ShainS -- Deplorable AND Listless Vessel AND Overimaginative Scamp at August 31, 2023 03:49 PM (9jFWV)

Nick of time, Shain, Nick of time….

Posted by: tubal at August 31, 2023 03:51 PM (PCK5/)

425 399 Masturbation doesn't count.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 31, 2023 03:46 PM

Now you've gone to meddling.

Posted by: Most guys at August 31, 2023 03:51 PM (gbtns)

426
There are several examples in this thread of people saying they'd vote for DeSantis and not Trump.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 31, 2023 03:49 PM (LvTSG)

I said almost unanimously. There are exceptions of course.

Posted by: Montec at August 31, 2023 03:51 PM (a2ndm)

427 I say again. Let no man think me a fool; if otherwise, yet as a fool receive me, that I may boast myself a little."

2 Corinthians 11:16

Posted by: Marcus T at August 31, 2023 03:51 PM (/Mfdi)

428 Trump needs to explain his bad judgement regarding: complete mishandling of personnel during Covid (think Fauci, fostering the development of an ineffective, unmonitored vaccine, allowing pharmaceutical-deep state complex to venture further into the chicken coop, etc etc. I do not trust him.

Posted by: EdmundBurkesShade at August 31, 2023 03:51 PM (mCh4j)

429 Posted by: Inogame at August 31, 2023 03:50 PM (53oGX)

Thanks, Stacey Abrams.

Posted by: Theo at August 31, 2023 03:52 PM (0p/Tu)

430 421 When Trump explains exactly what he is doing and going to do to combat the cheat, then I will pay attention. But all he has done was support the status quo.

Hell, he should have campaigned HARD for Dhillon as RNC chair...she took the steal seriously and had good ideas about what to do to combat it.

Instead? He supported McDaniel. The person who did nothing to fight the first steal!

Pathetic.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 31, 2023 03:51 PM (lQONO)

========

I'm curious what any Republican candidate is saying about getting Detroit to stop saying there are 1000 ballots in a box with ten.

I don't think any of them are.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 31, 2023 03:52 PM (LvTSG)

431 @403

>>Has the paradigm shifted?

Sure, Trump was the paradigm shift.

There was not fighting-fighting GOP fighters like DeSantis or Abbott before Trump.

Again, as I've said, there was no rationale for DeSantis to run in 24.

This is being born out in real-time.

Maybe DeSantis can commiserate with Scott Walker and Rick Perry about what went wrong.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 31, 2023 03:52 PM (rc3Z7)

432 >>>When Trump explains exactly what he is doing and going to do to combat the cheat, then I will pay attention. But all he has done was support the status quo.

He doesn't say. He has no plan.

He won't even admit that he could have done some things better, which at least would be a suggestion that he intends to do things differently.

Instead, he insists he ran 2020 perfectly, with the perfect plan of filing challenges to election changes AFTER the election instead of before, which tells me he's planning on doing all the same loser bullshit again.

Posted by: ace at August 31, 2023 03:52 PM (KRtlO)

433 375 When Trump goes after some of his fiercest defenders he loses support of people that voted for him in 2020 with statements like this-
Posted by: redridinghood at August 31, 2023 03:45 PM

If they were fierce defenders of him in the past, but are attacking/lying about him in the present...he's supposed to give them a pass? Is this the Tessio gambit from the Godfather? "Don (Jr), can you get me off the hook, for old time's sake?" That didn't work out so well.

Besides....that's why the left is running roughshod over us. THEY are ruthless about keeping people in line, and if you stray too far (without permission, see Bernie) outside the lines, you're out. See Tulsi, Dore, JFK Jr, etc.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at August 31, 2023 03:52 PM (JCZqz)

434 I find watching ASMR videos of Russian women showing me as much cleavage as possible helps me fall asleep pretty quickly

Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger at August 31, 2023 03:52 PM (VTu1l)

435 >>>Trump supporters always get great sleep. Luxurious sleep. Huuuge sleep. The best sleep.

Sign me up!
Posted by: ace at August 31, 2023 03:50 PM (KRtlO)

Yeah, I'd like to get more than 4 hours a night.

Posted by: JmT at August 31, 2023 03:53 PM (Dgr0A)

436 >>Jackstraw, you rarely say silly things, but this here is just laughable. I don't know any DeSantis supporters who thought or said that. I am one of them, and I knew from the start that it would be an uphill battle and that Trump would probably get the nomination.

I know many of them. Prior to Ron formally announcing that was the message DeSantis supporters were telling us cultists every single day. Twitter was awash in that sentiment. I can't tell you how many times I have heard the term cult from DeSantis supporters so I'll just keep reminding you that a lot of you did this to yourselves. Telling a girl she doesn't sweat much for a fat girl is not the way to win her over.

We were mocked constantly for not seeing the greatness that would be the DeSantis movement and told to fall in line. And like it or not the DeSantis campaign has been largely awful.

It's not my job to fall in line behind anyone. It's my job and my responsibility to vote for whom I think would be the best candidate to win the election and succeed in a very hostile snake pit. Ron is a very good governor overall but his debut on the national stage has not moved the needle for me.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 31, 2023 03:53 PM (ZLI7S)

437 Posted by: REDACTED at August 31, 2023 03:50 PM (us2H3)
Both Gillum and Crist are far superior campaigners to Joe Biden, whom Trump lost to.

(Or, if you think the election was stolen, who outsmarted Trump)

Posted by: Theo at August 31, 2023 03:53 PM (0p/Tu)

438 I'm going to write a Letter from the Fulton County Jail. It'll be a YUGE letter, fantastic, just fantastic...a big, beautiful letter for all Americans to see.

Posted by: Martin Luther Trump Jr. at August 31, 2023 03:54 PM (fhX0j)

439 I'm doing all that!
Posted by: ace at August 31, 2023 03:45 PM (KRtlO)

Do you take a low dose melatonin supplement? Have you been tested for sleep apnea? I'd actually recommend seeing a sleep specialist if you haven't. It's kind of a pain but if the basic measures aren't working it might be something subtle and you'll thank yourself for it later.

Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at August 31, 2023 03:54 PM (OZjDX)

440 413 Trump winning in 2016 had more to do with Hillary than people want to admit. Once you took Hillary out of the equation, suddenly Trump loses everything he touches.

Posted by: Blago at August 31, 2023 03:48 PM (wMRY

this is industrial grade stoopid

he was barely able to beat Cankles cuz the people hated Barry's polices but did not associate them with Cankles

Joe was close to Trump cuz he was running on a lie

that will be inoperable this go around

the people have lived 4 years without Trump

Posted by: REDACTED at August 31, 2023 03:55 PM (us2H3)

441 This'll help the insomnia too!

RNC Research
@RNCResearch
BIDEN: "There are still some deniers out there in terms of whether or not climate change had anything to do with any of this, and we're gonna need a whole hell of a lot more money!"

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 31, 2023 03:55 PM (FVME7)

442 Kaylie went to the May for him in 2020 day in day out. But she doesn’t grovel in front of him now and she’s on his enemies list. Thts rich from a. Guy who claims loyalty is important.

And he hasn’t learned anything. You don’t succeed in politics by alienating everyone. You’d think in 4 years as president he would have figured that out.

Posted by: Montec at August 31, 2023 03:55 PM (a2ndm)

443 It's not my job to fall in line behind anyone. It's my job and my responsibility to vote for whom I think would be the best candidate to win the election and succeed in a very hostile snake pit. Ron is a very good governor overall but his debut on the national stage has not moved the needle for me.

-----------------

Seems reasonable. Also seems reasonable, that Trump's behavior is moving the needle away from him with some people.

So despite my wishes for both to support each other, I guess its blood bath time. This is the time honored tradition of US presidential politics, so maybe it will all work out in the end.

Posted by: SH (But Prefer Clark Griswold) at August 31, 2023 03:55 PM (sX1BW)

444 He doesn't say. He has no plan.

He won't even admit that he could have done some things better, which at least would be a suggestion that he intends to do things differently.

Instead, he insists he ran 2020 perfectly, with the perfect plan of filing challenges to election changes AFTER the election instead of before, which tells me he's planning on doing all the same loser bullshit again.
Posted by: ace at August 31, 2023 03:52 PM (KRtlO)

Now THAT is something you just can't argue with.....

Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at August 31, 2023 03:55 PM (5AVMW)

445 What was it in 2020?

Why do people act like he lost votes?
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer

__

Because way more people voted against him?

I dont think even Trump asserts that he "really" won the popular vote in 2020, has he? Trump got 46% of the vote.

The election was "rigged" in a lot of ways, mainly in areas like government agencies dictating what could or could not be discussed. But I don't think anyone on Trump's team is saying they were 10 million+ fraudulent ballots.

Posted by: Blago at August 31, 2023 03:56 PM (wMRY8)

446 222 Heh, a governor whose state was just ravaged by an unprecedented hurricane...

If there's one thing unprecedented in Florida, it's hurricanes. Right, Plato?

Posted by: Marcus Gravey at August 31, 2023 03:56 PM (1gmGk)

447 >>>It's not my job to fall in line behind anyone

well we agree on that much.

Trump has lost my vote. Including in the general, which he'll lose so I won't bother voting.

If he wants to earn it back, he can start showing respect instead of demanding submission as if I were his subject to command, and maybe get around to actually coming up with a plan for winning instead of just whining on cable news that he was cheated.

Posted by: ace at August 31, 2023 03:56 PM (KRtlO)

448 No, you're right. When the federal government, through the DOJ attacks Trump, its totes the same thing as when... the media says mean things about DeSantis. For fuck sakes man

Posted by: deadrody at August 31, 2023 03:56 PM (YSD70)

449 (Or, if you think the election was stolen, who outsmarted Trump)
Posted by: Theo at August 31, 2023 03:53 PM (0p/Tu)

cheating does not equate to "smarter"

you miserable fuck

Posted by: REDACTED at August 31, 2023 03:56 PM (us2H3)

450 But somehow this is saving the erf.

Posted by: Montec at August 31, 2023 03:38 PM (a2ndm)

Because the original "energy efficiency" standards came around when the big scare of the decade was that we were running out of water.

Remember acid rain, holes in ozone layers, rivers polluted, etc? 1990's stuff.

Then of course, there is a real water shortage in deserts, like Arizona and big parts of California.

So the mandate was "use less water" not "use less electricity" or "clean better" or anything like that.

But the amount of water saved is, as you can imagine, negligible. But it meets the requirements.

However, the only way to use less water is to increase soak times. Thus, why your dishwasher, washing machine, etc. take forever.

This was the same era when they mandated the 1.7 gallon toilets. Which now work fine (toilet technology did improve), but for the first 20 years were awful.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 31, 2023 03:56 PM (mj0Qp)

451 ...I'll have the recurring dream where I'm somewhere public, and have to piss. And the bathrooms are either horribly filthy, or out of order, and I have to go somewhere inappropriate - trash can, sink, ladies room, etc...

Posted by: Rhubarb Ranch at August 31, 2023 03:44 PM (kc0fx)

I have this same exact dream at least once or twice a month. I never "get caught", but I do wake up having to pee like a racehorse.

Posted by: hobbitopoly at August 31, 2023 03:57 PM (6xRrr)

452 "261 >>After 8yrs of visiting here, I never thought it'd be Ace.
Did you miss 2016?
Because Ace was Voting for Hillary at one point.
He gets quite emotional at times.
Posted by: garrett at August 31, 2023 03:32 PM (c4O5y) "

LMAO, oh yeah... I guess I forgot. I was also stupidly supporting another ivy league lawyer at the time... before I realized most of our problems stem from Ivy League lawyers running the country into the ground while enriching themselves.

Posted by: VAR1ABLE at August 31, 2023 03:57 PM (Hd1+B)

453 Yes, TJM, but the sentiment that it's Trump or No One is very big among the Trumpers.

Which is why I myself am not toying with the DeSantis or No One position. Fight fire with fire.
Posted by: ace at August 31, 2023 03:51 PM (KRtlO)

Personally, I'm stuck on the "I'm voting for someone or no one" position, and the "no one" happens to be leading right now.

Mainly because I'm not voting for anyone who is in on the War With Russia bandwagon. Or War With Chi Nah.

Either or. And so far there are only three announced candidates I know of who aren't: 1. Trump, 2. RFK, C. Cornell West.

I have reasons why I'd be reluctant to consider the latter two, and so far no reasons not to consider the first.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 31, 2023 03:57 PM (dGCAG)

454 >>>Now THAT is something you just can't argue with.....

I assume you're being sarcastic. In which case: Which part CAN you argue with?

Where's trump's plan?

You don't know, do you?

It's not your fault; he doesn't have one. He never talks about any actual plan or program; it's just all griping about him being *personally* cheated.

Posted by: ace at August 31, 2023 03:57 PM (KRtlO)

455 Trump winning in 2016 had more to do with Hillary than people want to admit. Once you took Hillary out of the equation, suddenly Trump loses everything he touches.

Posted by: Blago at August 31, 2023 03:48 PM (wMRY

Absolutely. Had he run against any other establishment Democrat he would have lost a landslide.

Posted by: Montec at August 31, 2023 03:57 PM (a2ndm)

456 The ancient washing machine in my building does a full "super sized" load in 22 minutes. Modern washing machines take at least twice that long.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 31, 2023 03:57 PM (mj0Qp)

457
I approve of horde-based medical advice.

Not sure telling Biden to stick something up his ass is covered.

Posted by: Auspex at August 31, 2023 03:57 PM (j4U/Z)

458 434 I find watching ASMR videos of Russian women showing me as much cleavage as possible helps me fall asleep pretty quickly
Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger at August 31, 2023 03:52 PM (VTu1l)

At first he's interested.
Then he's REALLY interested.
Then he's REALLY REALLY REALLY interested.
Then he's asleep.

Posted by: And then the refractory period at August 31, 2023 03:57 PM (fhX0j)

459 >>> https://tinyurl.com/wr6z5ykx

Posted by: SMH at what's coming

Standing ovation for this guy

Posted by: DJ at August 31, 2023 03:57 PM (uosPt)

460 When I am having insomnia / disrupted sleep, I have come to accept it is all self imposed. Some triggers: any amount of alcohol, pushing past going to bed when I am tired, not staying properly hydrated, not getting suffienct physical activity, being spiritually unsettled and not having a set routine. I find that all of these disrupt my ability to sleep. If I avoid these traps for a week or so I find that all my sleep issues disappear. Of course I am an asshoe...

Posted by: Lost In Space at August 31, 2023 03:58 PM (jlbtb)

461 Posted by: deadrody at August 31, 2023 03:56 PM (YSD70)

Most people say that Trump is guilty and want him thrown in prison.

That's not a DOJ/deep state/swamp/establishment/uniparty/whatever term you want to use problem.

That's a "Americans hate Donald Trump and want him out of their lives" problem.

Posted by: Theo at August 31, 2023 03:58 PM (0p/Tu)

462 DeSantis is done politically, he will either be out of politics in two years or fighting Rick Scott or Rubio for a Senate seat.

While he was an adequate Governor, he was not and is not the paradigm shifting politician he or his advocates fancied him to be.

It is what it is, sometimes politics is strange that way.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 31, 2023 03:46 PM (rc3Z7)

Do you think if you say that enough times between now and January, it'll magically come true?

Posted by: Dr. T at August 31, 2023 03:58 PM (bhRsz)

463 mrs. chronda is a night owl and, consequently, has trained me to sleep with the tv on. what does it for is that harry potter goblet of fire movie; i'm usually asleep by the time the proud sons of durmstrang strut in.
Posted by: anachronda at August 31, 2023 03:47 PM (oY6Yp)

I do that too at times. There's a youtuber Drachinifel who does naval history from fighting sail to WWII and has a nice brit accent that often puts me out for a nap. Very interesting stuff when you do wake up, ironically.

Years back when had undiagnosed kidney stones plus hypertension I'd have episodes starting with back pain then I'd vomit up everything including water for 24 hours. I'd lie on the ground for back support and watch those Sean Bean Sharpe tapes because they were 90 minutes long

Posted by: Oldcat at August 31, 2023 03:58 PM (eoQWY)

464
the people have lived 4 years without Trump
Posted by: REDACTED
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If people hate you, they just don't care.

The people that Trump has turned off arent coming back.

Voters also instinctively know Trump is incompetent at every level. Part of the draw of "throw the bum out" is the hope the replacement can fix things. Trump is not that guy.

Posted by: Blago at August 31, 2023 03:58 PM (wMRY8)

465 13 Ace, love your work, but Desantis hired establishment advisors and committed political suicide. Plus he’s made a number of errors part of which includes deciding to listen to those advisors—his calls.
Posted by: DavidH
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I agree. But this doesn't contradict anything in Ace's post.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at August 31, 2023 03:58 PM (Dl2a5)

466 447 >>>It's not my job to fall in line behind anyone

well we agree on that much.

Trump has lost my vote. Including in the general, which he'll lose so I won't bother voting.

If he wants to earn it back, he can start showing respect instead of demanding submission as if I were his subject to command, and maybe get around to actually coming up with a plan for winning instead of just whining on cable news that he was cheated.

Posted by: ace at August 31, 2023 03:56 PM (KRtlO)

Is it safe to summarize that Trump just generally pisses you off and you have him pegged as being full of shit???

Posted by: tubal at August 31, 2023 03:58 PM (PCK5/)

467 I like Desantis, and the moment multiple states begin discussing removing him from ballots while simultaneously ramping up the COVID mail in ballot fraud in an effort to overcome his turnout is the moment I'll know for sure he's the best candidate for 2024.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - To cheat with DeSantis they'll have to face themselves and admit they're soviet at August 31, 2023 03:58 PM (hsOar)

468 432 >>>When Trump explains exactly what he is doing and going to do to combat the cheat, then I will pay attention. But all he has done was support the status quo.

He doesn't say. He has no plan.

Instead, he insists he ran 2020 perfectly, with the perfect plan of filing challenges to election changes AFTER the election instead of before, which tells me he's planning on doing all the same loser bullshit again.
Posted by: ace at August 31, 2023 03:52 PM

I'm not sure what he can directly do...you can't openly announce "if the election system is rigged, I plan to cheat, too", and you can't enforce law in blue metro areas (especially in states with Dem governors).

You can, however, talk about loopholes in the law, call out potential issues in Red states, and put pressure on the Republican leaders to do something. Whether or not they do will be...illuminating, as is much of what Trump exposes.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at August 31, 2023 03:59 PM (JCZqz)

469 >>>I guess I forgot. I was also stupidly supporting another ivy league lawyer at the time...

and here comes the socio-cultural resentment... Our Tribe Is Best Tribe

and I'm not ivy league, I wish. I grew up poor.

Posted by: ace at August 31, 2023 03:59 PM (KRtlO)

470 There are several examples in this thread of people saying they'd vote for DeSantis and not Trump.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 31, 2023 03:49 PM (LvTSG)
********
As of today, I would vote for DeSantis in the primary.
I'll vote for either one in the general.
I'm not an OT or an NT.
I am a never Democrat.

Posted by: redridinghood at August 31, 2023 03:59 PM (NpAcC)

471 I'm a bit surprised there are those pissed off at Trump doing what Trump has done for 50 years.

He demeans people. He insults people. He tears them down so he's the last man standing. It's his DNA.

This is not new.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 31, 2023 03:59 PM (Zz0t1)

472 But I don't think anyone on Trump's team is saying they were 10 million+ fraudulent ballots.

**********

Yeah if they said something like 10 million that’s just silly and stupid

The number is more likely 20 million+

Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger at August 31, 2023 03:59 PM (VTu1l)

473 Victoria Nuland Appeared "Desperate" During Africa Tour As US-Backed Leaders Overthrown

Does this mean I have a chance?

Posted by: Moron with zero standards at August 31, 2023 03:59 PM (v0R5T)

474 470I am a never Democrat.
Posted by: redridinghood at August 31, 2023 03:59 PM (NpAcC)

=========

"I love you so very, very much."
-GOPe

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 31, 2023 03:59 PM (LvTSG)

475 ********
As of today, I would vote for DeSantis in the primary.
I'll vote for either one in the general.
I'm not an OT or an NT.
I am a never Democrat.
Posted by: redridinghood at August 31, 2023 03:59 PM (NpAcC)

This.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 31, 2023 03:59 PM (Zz0t1)

476 "Worry about the due process later"
Trump can go f#ck himself.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at August 31, 2023 03:59 PM (z7mF5)

477 Posted by: REDACTED at August 31, 2023 03:56 PM (us2H3)

He was the president. To cheat an incumbent president, you kind of have to be smarter than him.

Unless you want to say Trump was out-maneuvered and utterly humiliated by people dumber than him...

Posted by: Theo at August 31, 2023 04:00 PM (0p/Tu)

478 "421 When Trump explains exactly what he is doing and going to do to combat the cheat, then I will pay attention. But all he has done was support the status quo.

Hell, he should have campaigned HARD for Dhillon as RNC chair...she took the steal seriously and had good ideas about what to do to combat it.

Instead? He supported McDaniel. The person who did nothing to fight the first steal!

Pathetic.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 31, 2023 03:51 PM (lQONO) "

This is the most salient point in the entire thread. You would at least think a guy who says it was stolen would be steeped in specifics. Not only that but how he would correct it and what the new battle plan is. Instead he seems content to say it was stolen, have you take it on faith and run the same playbook. He also is keeping in place the same GOP people and strategy as that lost last time. This is a recipe for fail.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 31, 2023 04:00 PM (/Mfdi)

479 >>> Whether or not they do will be...illuminating, as is much of what Trump exposes.

so look, this is endemic; the idea is that trump will lose, but when he loses, we actually "win," because we'll "expose" them when they cheat.

This is just planning to lose but also having a plan to claim the loss is really a Moral Victory, in a way, if you think about it.

Posted by: ace at August 31, 2023 04:00 PM (KRtlO)

480 "285 .>>Trump didn't loose the election.

Is he in the White House? No? Then he lost. Whether the election was clean or dirty, he lost by whatever the rules were at the time.

You guys just keep saying Trump didn't lose, and yet he's not in the White House and being hounded by BIDEN's DOJ. That feels like a loss.

Do you intend to have a similar "victory" in 2024, where we lose the White House again, but you get to keep saying "akshually you guys we won"?

I don't want that kind of "victory." I want the REAL kind of win, where you actually win.

Posted by: ace at August 31, 2023 03:35 PM (KRtlO) "

And you think that your Ivy League lawyer will get a different result?
We're not voting our way out of this.
Commies know they will hang if anyone not under their control gets power and thus will do anything to stop that from happening.

Posted by: VAR1ABLE at August 31, 2023 04:00 PM (Hd1+B)

481 and here comes the socio-cultural resentment... Our Tribe Is Best Tribe

and I'm not ivy league, I wish. I grew up poor.

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Not as poor as me.

- Member of the Even Poorer Tribe

Posted by: SH (But Prefer Clark Griswold) at August 31, 2023 04:00 PM (sX1BW)

482 472 But I don't think anyone on Trump's team is saying they were 10 million+ fraudulent ballots.

**********

Yeah if they said something like 10 million that’s just silly and stupid

The number is more likely 20 million+
Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger at August 31, 2023 03:59 PM (VTu1l)

I mean, Biden outperformed Obama by what, 17 million votes?

Are we really supposed to believe that THAT many people were motivated by a hatred of Trump?

You give Biden all of Obama's voters and 17 MILLION people turned out just to hate-vote against Trump?

Really?

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 31, 2023 04:00 PM (KbCG3)

483 If DeSantis can beat Trump in the primaries then he'll be the best candidate.

If can't , he won't. And Trump will be the best candidate.

That's the way reality works.

Mostly I think DeSantis fucked up by not running for VP. That would've been an awesome ticket.

But that said, I could vote for either.

Posted by: naturalfake at August 31, 2023 04:00 PM (QzZeQ)

484 Kaylie went to the May for him in 2020 day in day out.

say what u will about Trump dissing Kaylie, he stopped short of mentioning her atrocious bleach job

which only proves he is the consummate gentleman

Posted by: kallisto, at August 31, 2023 04:01 PM (8ON7U)

485
and I'm not ivy league, I wish. I grew up poor.
Posted by: ace at August 31, 2023 03:59 PM (KRtlO)

Ace is Navin R. Johnson?

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 31, 2023 04:01 PM (Zz0t1)

486 Posted by: REDACTED at August 31, 2023 03:56 PM (us2H3)

Take a break and calm down.

Come back next Wednesday.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 31, 2023 04:01 PM (lQONO)

487 >>Then of course, there is a real water shortage in deserts

Unprecedented!

Posted by: garrett at August 31, 2023 04:01 PM (c4O5y)

488 Call me naive but I actually believe Trump will get more legitimate votes in the general than any other republican running… by far. He attracts people who won’t vote for anyone but him… if he’s not the nominee they simply won’t vote. He’s a political phenom. Add to that he’s the only one who can genuinely bring a level of righteous indignation and energy to the general campaign from 2020 because everyone knows it was rigged/fortified…. Choose whatever word you want. Finally he might well get sympathy votes if he happens to be in prison. He could (gasp) actually win (he’s that popular) if TPTB fail to gin up more covid hysteria between now and the election and we have a more conventional election without millions of mail-ins…..

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at August 31, 2023 04:01 PM (Q/v9F)

489
Absolutely. Had he run against any other establishment Democrat he would have lost a landslide.
Posted by: Montec
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I distinctly remember in 2016 just about 99% of people even here saying if this election was between Trump and Biden, Biden would have put it away.

Then Hillary collapsed in Central Park, had all sorts of embarassing emails come out, broke the law, had the FBI investigating her, on and on.

Plus, Hillary is a cunt and everyone knows it.

Even with all that, Trump won with like 100k votes in the Rust Belt.

Posted by: Blago at August 31, 2023 04:01 PM (wMRY8)

490 It's the wake-up after four hours that kills, because that's *kind of* barely enough sleep, and I think my brain dumps out the wake-up hormones like cortisol and then I'm f*cked.
Posted by: ace at August 31, 2023 03:38 PM (KRtlO)

Man that is exactly right, that's why I dose myself with a 600 mg ibuprofen, 4 100mg Gabapentins, 5 10 mg melatonin tabs and 3 generic Benadryl.... even when I wake up to pee I can still go right back to sleep.......
Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at August 31, 2023 03:50 PM (5AVMW)

Hey man, I am serious about this- the best part for you will be that you are not a functional alkie like I am, so you will probably just sleep the entire night through!

Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at August 31, 2023 04:01 PM (5AVMW)

491 Honestly if DeSantis talked like Vivek he’d be running away with the nomination

Any chance we could merge Vivek Trump and DeSantis together

We can call him DeViTrump

Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger at August 31, 2023 04:01 PM (VTu1l)

492 What's a fitbit ?

Posted by: JT at August 31, 2023 04:01 PM (T4tVD)

493 the Trump wing of the party has just completely abandoned any pretense of slowing government spending. And for good reason-- Trump blew out the budgets like the Big Government Democrat he is/was.
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There's not even 20% of Republicans party voters that will support actual spending cuts.
That's just retarded, sir. Real retarded.

Oh, there's a big talking cohort that will prattle on endlessly about how we must cut spending-- and they're the first assholes to the microphone in horror when actual spending cuts are on the table.

Note also all the big, huge spending cut the Republican House and Republican Senate proposed between 2017 and 2019: None.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 31, 2023 04:01 PM (TzW+Y)

494 Yes, TJM, but the sentiment that it's Trump or No One is very big among the Trumpers.

Which is why I myself am not toying with the DeSantis or No One position. Fight fire with fire.
Posted by: ace at August 31, 2023 03:51 PM (KRtlO)

If you makes you feel any better, I don't usually vote anyways. I did vote in 2016, but I've moved several times since then, and am definitely not registered to vote. So I'll probably be voting for No One regardless of who the nominee is.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 31, 2023 04:01 PM (mj0Qp)

495 Not as poor as me.

- Member of the Even Poorer Tribe
Posted by: SH (But Prefer Clark Griswold) at August 31, 2023 04:00 PM (sX1BW)

We were so impoverished we were po. Couldn't afford more than one consonant and one vowel.

Posted by: Two of the same vowels? Luxury. at August 31, 2023 04:02 PM (fhX0j)

496 Take a break and calm down.

Come back next Wednesday.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 31, 2023 04:01 PM (lQONO)

I thought it was 'see you next Tuesday?'

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 31, 2023 04:02 PM (Zz0t1)

497 I'm for Trump. I feel morally obligated after what they've done to him. But I would certainly vote for DeSantis.

Posted by: Ordinary American at August 31, 2023 04:02 PM (kRFA3)

498 >>> I'm a bit surprised there are those pissed off at Trump doing what Trump has done for 50 years.
He demeans people. He insults people. He tears them down so he's the last man standing. It's his DNA.
This is not new.

Okay, then I'm surprised that there are those pissed at ME for doing what I've done for 20 years. I demean people. I insult people. I tear them down. It's my DNA.
IT's not new.

You guys always have these stupid excuses about why we should just accept that trump is a nasty asshole and that we've earned our abuse but the moment one of us comes back and insults HIM, the complaining and crying starts.

Posted by: ace at August 31, 2023 04:02 PM (KRtlO)

499 Hell, he should have campaigned HARD for Dhillon as RNC chair...she took the steal seriously and had good ideas about what to do to combat it.

Instead? He supported McDaniel. The person who did nothing to fight the first steal!

Pathetic.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 31, 2023 03:51 PM (lQONO)

Dhillon,
Wasn't she the RNC lawyer tasked with protecting the GOP elections?
How'd she perform?
Why is she better? Because they made her run to suck the air from Pillow man?
Are we pretending the RNC was really going to vote for her? Or him for that matter?
It was the same play they do to keep the incumbent in the primaries... and it worked, again.

Posted by: Inogame at August 31, 2023 04:02 PM (53oGX)

500 The fact that Ronda Santis has been a fine governor doesn't make him less of a traitor for running against Trump any easier to stomach. In fact, anyone who supports the Meatball this go-round is, at best, a second class citizen.

Posted by: Mega Ultra MAGA Man at August 31, 2023 04:02 PM (83IzV)

501 Is it safe to summarize that Trump just generally pisses you off and you have him pegged as being full of shit???
Posted by: tubal
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ace has a past history about Trump for better or worse going back to 2015.

Posted by: whig at August 31, 2023 04:02 PM (L9qbQ)

502 There are several examples in this thread of people saying they'd vote for DeSantis and not Trump.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 31, 2023 03:49 PM (LvTSG)

I would like to clarify that I have never said that. If Trump is the nominee, I will vote for him. But it will be a vote of despair, without any shred of hope that he will win.

Posted by: Dr. T at August 31, 2023 04:03 PM (bhRsz)

503 I think Vivek reminded me of one thing. How old and decrepit most of the people in Washington are.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 31, 2023 04:03 PM (/Mfdi)

504 Desantis has literally no fucking chance and his "camp"at this point is just a festering corpse filled with anti Trump shitheads with clogged arterties.

Posted by: cmonman at August 31, 2023 04:03 PM (lG41+)

505 >>Seems reasonable. Also seems reasonable, that Trump's behavior is moving the needle away from him with some people.

That seems true given the response here. But he must be drawing some new ones because his polling keeps going up. He's way ahead of where he was in 2016 at this point and according to people like Barris who is pretty sound pollster his support in the black and minority community is at levels not seen in many years and growing. The complete and total failure of the Biden administration along with the persecution of Trump by an out of control government seems to be striking a chord in the minority community. Unexpectedly.

The party is changing. The GOP hates Trump, ask Mitch, so I expect him to lose support there. But he is bringing lots of new voters with him and that is something no other candidate is doing.

I'll vote for either Trump or DeSantis but I strongly prefer Trump so he will get my support in the primary. There really isn't anyone else who has a prayer or whom I would get off my couch to vote for in the general.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 31, 2023 04:03 PM (ZLI7S)

506 He demeans people. He insults people. He tears them down so he's the last man standing. It's his DNA

And it's getting old.

He still falls for the same traps. Call RDS "Desanctimonious" in the Tucker interview and later on almost praises Gavin Newsom. Why? because Newsom stroked his ego at their recent meeting. Sorta threw up my hands at that point.

Posted by: Halfhand at August 31, 2023 04:03 PM (1k6l4)

507 say what u will about Trump dissing Kaylie, he stopped short of mentioning her atrocious bleach job

which only proves he is the consummate gentleman
Posted by: kallisto, at August 31, 2023 04:01 PM (8ON7U)
******
Woah.
Let's talk about Trump's strawberry blonde hair.

Posted by: redridinghood at August 31, 2023 04:03 PM (NpAcC)

508 This is the most salient point in the entire thread. You would at least think a guy who says it was stolen would be steeped in specifics. Not only that but how he would correct it and what the new battle plan is. Instead he seems content to say it was stolen, have you take it on faith and run the same playbook. He also is keeping in place the same GOP people and strategy as that lost last time. This is a recipe for fail.

Yeah. Forget about Trump versus Desantis or anyone else. How can Trump not quickly and concisely articulate a set of persuasive bullet points on this topic this far after the fact? (If he can, and I have missed it, just point me to it. I'm happy to be corrected.)

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at August 31, 2023 04:03 PM (ppBhU)

509 After months of hilarious shirt-tearing rants on Trump, ace declares that's it, time to stop being nice to Trump. I cannot wait for the gloves to come off!

Posted by: Deepelemblues at August 31, 2023 04:04 PM (9mRsW)

510 Fuel on the fire.

The Young Republicans
@yrnf
Straw Poll Results Are In! 🗳️ YRs across the country participated in a straw poll at YRNC Dallas. And it's clear that YRs are divided between two contenders. Ron DeSantis comes in with 36.6% of the support, closely followed by Donald Trump at 35.4%.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 31, 2023 04:04 PM (FVME7)

511 502 I would like to clarify that I have never said that. If Trump is the nominee, I will vote for him. But it will be a vote of despair, without any shred of hope that he will win.
Posted by: Dr. T at August 31, 2023 04:03 PM (bhRsz)

========

Until someone tells Philly that they have to count people who actually show up to vote and burn all "unauthorized" mail in ballots that "accidentally" go out, I have no hope for a Republican victory for the White House.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 31, 2023 04:04 PM (LvTSG)

512 Oh, there's a big talking cohort that will prattle on endlessly about how we must cut spending-- and they're the first assholes to the microphone in horror when actual spending cuts are on the table.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 31, 2023 04:01 PM (TzW+Y)

"We need to cut spending!"
"Okay, the biggest places we can cut back are the military and transfer payments."
"WE NEED MOAR SHIPS! AND MOAR SOCIAL SECURITY! WHAT KIND OF ANIMAL WOULD THREATEN TO CUT THAT?!?"
"Er... so what do we cut?"
"NO MOAR FOOD STAMPS FOR FAT PEOPLE"
"Okay, but like... how does that work? Weigh people at the welfare store? And also, it really is a miniscule amount of money for the federal government..."
"RAAAAAAA!"

That's about how that convo goes with most R voters. D voters are the same, but with different bugaboos.

So ... whats the plan?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 31, 2023 04:04 PM (mj0Qp)

513 I'm for Trump. I feel morally obligated after what they've done to him. But I would certainly vote for DeSantis.
Posted by: Ordinary American

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That's me, too.

I couldn't care less if it was Trump, Desantis, or Cruz. The elected (R) that won re-election in a landslide was removed by the government.

That's a bit of a problem.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - To cheat with DeSantis they'll have to face themselves and admit they're soviet at August 31, 2023 04:04 PM (hsOar)

514 If you makes you feel any better, I don't usually vote anyways. I did vote in 2016, but I've moved several times since then, and am definitely not registered to vote. So I'll probably be voting for No One regardless of who the nominee is.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 31, 2023 04:01 PM (mj0Qp)

Likely you're still voting in all the places you lived before.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 31, 2023 04:04 PM (eoQWY)

515 The RDS haters need to go back and check history before saying his political career is over. Many people ran, lost, ran again and won. Hell Biden ran 3 times for the DNC before winning it. Reagan won the 2nd time. Nixon came back 8 years after losing to Kennedy. The list is long.

Posted by: Montec at August 31, 2023 04:04 PM (a2ndm)

516 429 Posted by: Inogame at August 31, 2023 03:50 PM (53oGX)

Thanks, Stacey Abrams.
Posted by: Theo at August 31, 2023 03:52 PM (0p/Tu)

If you want me to pretend only the Dems are dirty I'm not your guy.
The uniparty is real.

Posted by: Inogame at August 31, 2023 04:05 PM (53oGX)

517 Dhillon,
Wasn't she the RNC lawyer tasked with protecting the GOP elections?
How'd she perform?
Why is she better? Because they made her run to suck the air from Pillow man?
Are we pretending the RNC was really going to vote for her? Or him for that matter?
It was the same play they do to keep the incumbent in the primaries... and it worked, again.
Posted by: Inogame
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Dhillon did not do a good job at all in Arizona in 2022 but perhaps that is because the GOPe that runs that state party is fine with vote fraud to avoid populists getting in that might upset the Ukraine and secure the border.

Posted by: whig at August 31, 2023 04:05 PM (L9qbQ)

518 Wait. Did Dildo just put ace in time out?

Posted by: Can he even DO that? at August 31, 2023 04:05 PM (fhX0j)

519 well we agree on that much.

Trump has lost my vote. Including in the general, which he'll lose so I won't bother voting.

If he wants to earn it back, he can start showing respect instead of demanding submission as if I were his subject to command, and maybe get around to actually coming up with a plan for winning instead of just whining on cable news that he was cheated.

Posted by: ace
..
I, like you, live in a state where a vote in the general election doesn't really matter.

You know Trump will never win NY or ILL..

Despite that, I did vote for him in last 2 general elections.. no more.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 31, 2023 04:05 PM (w/RvR)

520 I'll vote for either Trump or DeSantis but I strongly prefer Trump so he will get my support in the primary. There really isn't anyone else who has a prayer or whom I would get off my couch to vote for in the general.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 31, 2023 04:03 PM (ZLI7S)

Wow, really? A year from now you won't vote for Ramaswamy?

Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at August 31, 2023 04:05 PM (5AVMW)

521 "Dhillon, Wasn't she the RNC lawyer tasked with protecting the GOP elections? "

Go back and look at her platform vs Rona. Keep in mind that Rona was the one ultimately calling the shots and allocating money. There was only so much Harneet could do without McRomneytrump pulling the strings. She wanted to change things. Instead you're getting a repeat of the last fail with generous bonuses to consultants.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 31, 2023 04:06 PM (/Mfdi)

522 Until someone tells Philly that they have to count people who actually show up to vote and burn all "unauthorized" mail in ballots that "accidentally" go out, I have no hope for a Republican victory for the White House.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 31, 2023 04:04 PM (LvTSG)
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You'll need to multiply that by dozens, if not hundreds, of cities that will be spun up to defeat any possibility of an R win, regardless of the candidate.

THAT is what any and every R candidate faces--utter annihilation at the polls because the Dems have captured every single city on the board.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 31, 2023 04:06 PM (YIVH2)

523 Today was a perfect late summer day, no humidity, the sky bright blue, a nice breeze blowing all day

NGL if every summer day was like today I wouldn't mind hanging out in this meatsack for another 40 years or so

Posted by: kallisto, at August 31, 2023 04:06 PM (8ON7U)

524 The party is changing. The GOP hates Trump, ask Mitch, so I expect him to lose support there. But he is bringing lots of new voters with him and that is something no other candidate is doing.

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I honestly don't know the answer there. Is he bringing more people to the party than driving away. I certainly think that was true in 2016. Not sure any more.

I like him and support him. But I know people who pretty much think like me on most other things, but despise Trump at this point. I ask them why, and I don't really get a good answer. Its a bit infuriating, but there seems to be something there.

But his style does bring in some people. More than he drives away? I'm just not sure any more.

Posted by: SH (But Prefer Clark Griswold) at August 31, 2023 04:06 PM (sX1BW)

525 @462

>>Do you think if you say that enough times between now and January, it'll magically come true?

Ok, game plan DeSantis' political viability from now going forward?

He's not going to be the nominee, his term ends in less than two years and then what?

DeSantis has already said he doesn't want to be Trumps VP, because in his own words, he's more of a manager type, which is in itself funny because the guy has never managed anything until he became Governor, but what ever, bottom line he's not going to be a part of the Trump administration more than likely, if Trump loses then obviously he won't be part of whatever abomination gets installed.

So that leaves K-Street or The MIC or fighting Rick Scott or Rubio for a Senate seat to stay relevant.

Anyway, DeSantis simply annoys me now, he could have been a team player instead he chose to be a vessel for GOPe machinations and maneuvering.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 31, 2023 04:06 PM (rc3Z7)

526 ask Mitch

I don't want to be brought up on manslaughter charges if my question is the one that finally puts him over the top. During these vapor locks, I half expect him to point like Donald Sutherland and make that wailing noise.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at August 31, 2023 04:06 PM (ppBhU)

527 The Trump prosecution is sucking up all the oxygen in the campaign.

Posted by: Max Power at August 31, 2023 04:06 PM (Hucnr)

528 Okay, then I'm surprised that there are those pissed at ME for doing what I've done for 20 years. I demean people. I insult people. I tear them down. It's my DNA.
IT's not new.

You guys always have these stupid excuses about why we should just accept that trump is a nasty asshole and that we've earned our abuse but the moment one of us comes back and insults HIM, the complaining and crying starts.

Posted by: ace at August 31, 2023 04:02 PM (KRtlO)

You're the reason I've been coming her for the last 15 years. I know who you are. Trump gets insults. I don't cry about it. He doesn't either. He retaliates.

My support of Trump stays with his America First and what he's shown as a MAGA guy. I didn't trust him in the beginning and I'm not a huge fan, mostly because of his vaccine stance, but I find his scorched earth methods pleasing in most areas. I still have some faith that if he gets in again, with nothing to lose, he'll go SE again, with feeling this time.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 31, 2023 04:06 PM (Zz0t1)

529 515 The RDS haters need to go back and check history before saying his political career is over. Many people ran, lost, ran again and won. Hell Biden ran 3 times for the DNC before winning it. Reagan won the 2nd time. Nixon came back 8 years after losing to Kennedy. The list is long.
Posted by: Montec at August 31, 2023 04:04 PM (a2ndm)

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I'm not sure what he does next. He's term limited, his governorship ending in 2026. Both Senate seats in FL are held by Republicans. Does he go back to the House? What does he do other than heading a Super PAC, or something?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 31, 2023 04:06 PM (LvTSG)

530 He still falls for the same traps. Call RDS "Desanctimonious" in the Tucker interview and later on almost praises Gavin Newsom. Why? because Newsom stroked his ego at their recent meeting. Sorta threw up my hands at that point.
Posted by: Halfhand at August 31, 2023 04:03 PM (1k6l4)

So Ron should butter him up to get him to talk nice.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 31, 2023 04:06 PM (eoQWY)

531 Take a break and calm down.

Come back next Wednesday.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

Far more polite than, *Get your shine box!"

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 31, 2023 04:06 PM (FVME7)

532 Video of a Nebraska man driving his pet Mythosaur in a hillbilly rigged, crap covered car.

https://is.gd/mQZRbB

Posted by: bonhomme at August 31, 2023 04:06 PM (0N1h0)

533 Is it safe to summarize that Trump just generally pisses you off and you have him pegged as being full of shit???
Posted by: tubal
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ace has a past history about Trump for better or worse going back to 2015.
Posted by: whig at August 31, 2023 04:02 PM (L9qbQ)

Yeah, ace was very Never Trump in 2016, until he ... lets say, shifted his view based on the views of the commenters. No judgment there. Then he faithfully defended Trump for 4 years.

But I don't know why people are shocked that ace doesn't like Trump. He was VERY clear on that from the moment Donny Two Scoops rode down the escalator.

I personally get a kick out of Trump. But I've also long accepted that politics as a team sport is silly and boring, and that there is no coming back from the "decline" part of our empire, so... why get worked up about it?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 31, 2023 04:07 PM (mj0Qp)

534 Posted by: whig at August 31, 2023 04:05 PM (L9qbQ)

wait, are you telling us the intruder is INSIDE THE HOUSE??

Posted by: kallisto, at August 31, 2023 04:07 PM (8ON7U)

535 522 You'll need to multiply that by dozens, if not hundreds, of cities that will be spun up to defeat any possibility of an R win, regardless of the candidate.

THAT is what any and every R candidate faces--utter annihilation at the polls because the Dems have captured every single city on the board.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 31, 2023 04:06 PM (YIVH2)

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Of course. The flashy examples are just good to trot out.

And I've asked a lot, and yet no one, not one person, has told me what's happening now to prevent it from happening again in 15 months.

The best I've gotten is, "someone's got to be doing something."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 31, 2023 04:07 PM (LvTSG)

536 "Strange how Democrats' rigging affects Trump and only Trump.

Posted by: Theo at August 31, 2023 03:42 PM (0p/Tu) "

Are you fucking serious?

Posted by: VAR1ABLE at August 31, 2023 04:08 PM (Hd1+B)

537 It's not that Trump has changed. It's that circumstances have changed. For me as for others Trump is simply a mechanism to get to a better place. He's an arrogant dick mostly but he's our arrogant dick. And when he was president eggs weren't nine dollars a dozen, we weren't sending hundreds of billions to a corrupt regime in Kiev and we didn't have a senile bowl of boiled asparagus representing our country's interests abroad.

Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at August 31, 2023 04:08 PM (OZjDX)

538 Call me naive but I actually believe Trump will get more legitimate votes in the general than any other republican running… by far. He attracts people who won’t vote for anyone but him… if he’s not the nominee they simply won’t vote.

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at August 31, 2023 04:01 PM (Q/v9F)

I don't think that is naive..I think it is mostly accurate. Trump has tapped into a chunk of non-voters, and he did it marvelously.

But...he also energizes a huge contingent of voters who will work hard to defeat him, and because of many reasons has also energized the Democrat powers-that-be to ramp up the cheat.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 31, 2023 04:08 PM (lQONO)

539 > and I'm not ivy league, I wish. I grew up poor.

I knew you were a Kaboom kid, but you're got a professorial air about you sometimes that made me think you moved in highly educated crowds.

Posted by: bonhomme at August 31, 2023 04:08 PM (0N1h0)

540 How did a racial shooting in Florida become a story about Trump

Posted by: ... at August 31, 2023 04:08 PM (vHpAx)

541 6 DeSantis SuperPAC folds. Founder flips to Trump per Bo Snerdley’s Twitter account.
Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at August 31, 2023 02:56 PM (eHYob)

Sorry typical Truth Social (i.e. fake) news.

🚨LOOK! Trump World is claiming a $50 Million Super PAC abandoned Ron DeSantis but when you go to the FEC report for “Ron to the Rescue” (sounds made up) the guy only had a couple hundred bucks.

Anything to take attention away from DeSantis’s incredible hurricane response

Posted by: Candidus at August 31, 2023 04:08 PM (886E0)

542 If you want me to pretend only the Dems are dirty I'm not your guy.
The uniparty is real.

Posted by: Inogame at August 31, 2023 04:05 PM (53oGX)

Donald Trump was recorded telling someone to find votes for him. So you're right, not only Dems are dirty.

The problem is there's evidence Trump actually did try to cheat (and just failed on account of his incompetence), not Kemp.

Posted by: Theo at August 31, 2023 04:08 PM (0p/Tu)

543 Are we really supposed to believe that THAT many people were motivated by a hatred of Trump?

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Yes.
Plus between 2008 and 2020 the population increased by 10% which means if nothing else there would be 6M more votes for Biden than Obama from that alone.

Posted by: Montec at August 31, 2023 04:09 PM (a2ndm)

544 Instead, he insists he ran 2020 perfectly, with the perfect plan of filing challenges to election changes AFTER the election instead of before, which tells me he's planning on doing all the same loser bullshit again.
Posted by: ace at August 31, 2023 03:52 PM

Trump doesn't want to win if it's work. He just wants to win if it's easy personality love. If all it takes is speeches and cheers, that's how he want to run and win.

Posted by: Nova Local at August 31, 2023 04:09 PM (exHjb)

545 Donald Trump was recorded telling someone to find votes for him. So you're right, not only Dems are dirty.

The problem is there's evidence Trump actually did try to cheat (and just failed on account of his incompetence), not Kemp.

Posted by: Theo at August 31, 2023 04:08 PM (0p/Tu)

Fuck off, troll

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at August 31, 2023 04:09 PM (xcxpd)

546 I'm not sure what he does next. He's term limited, his governorship ending in 2026. Both Senate seats in FL are held by Republicans. Does he go back to the House? What does he do other than heading a Super PAC, or something?

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Does Trump win? If so, there will be a place for him in the administration.

Does Trump lose? Doesn't he then become a 2028 frontrunner.

Posted by: SH (But Prefer Clark Griswold) at August 31, 2023 04:09 PM (sX1BW)

547 I thought a Trump-DeSantis ticket was a done deal. Trump pulled in new voters, black voters, hispanic voters, Democrat union workers. He greatly expanded the Republican party "big tent." To me, a Trump-DeSantis ticket would have been unstoppable.

But the Republican Party hates Trump even more than they hate their alleged base, and they pursued DeSantis for the express purpose of stopping Trump. I genuinely don't believe the GOP cares about winning. Witness Bitch McConnell in the Senate, and the GOP House sellouts who all resigned to hand power to the Dems.

I wasn't trying to anger or disrespect Ace. This was my favorite site on the internet. Ace is the funniest writer I've encountered, and the Moron Horde is the funniest and most intelligent bunch I've encountered on the net. I just see the level of vitriol directed at people who support Trump and wonder if I've accidentally logged in at Democratic Underground.

Again, I was the most ardent anti-Trumper imaginable. Swore I'd never vote for the man. He changed my mind. He fights.

Posted by: Sam Adams at August 31, 2023 04:09 PM (KEWDx)

548 Anyway, DeSantis simply annoys me now, he could have been a team player instead he chose to be a vessel for GOPe machinations and maneuvering.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 31, 2023 04:06 PM (rc3Z7)

And there it is.

Posted by: Dr. T at August 31, 2023 04:09 PM (bhRsz)

549 "Posted by: JackStraw at August 31, 2023 "

/salute

Posted by: VAR1ABLE at August 31, 2023 04:09 PM (Hd1+B)

550 The party is changing. The GOP hates Trump, ask Mitch, so I expect him to lose support there. But he is bringing lots of new voters with him and that is something no other candidate is doing.

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What is scaring the GOP is that they are realizing they aren't the party any longer. Trump is. MAGA voters are. People really do want a great America. That's why they fight him, investigate him, oppose, and reject him (and us).

See also: 2022 mid-terms

It's not their (R) party any longer.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The EPA has determined US has cooled since 1948 at August 31, 2023 04:10 PM (BMWRT)

551 Wow, really? A year from now you won't vote for Ramaswamy?

***********

I like Vivek but I think he’s a grifter. he’s a great salesman too but that’s the thing, he’s a salesman. How much of what he says does he genuinely believe

His path to success is also suspect, a pharma related company he ran into the ground that he still somehow made money off of

Uhhhhhhhhh

Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger at August 31, 2023 04:10 PM (VTu1l)

552 Video of a Nebraska man driving his pet Mythosaur in a hillbilly rigged, crap covered car.

https://is.gd/mQZRbB
Posted by: bonhomme

It's his emotional support Mythosaur.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 31, 2023 04:10 PM (FVME7)

553 Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at August 31, 2023 04:09 PM (xcxpd)

Cry harder about Trump's humiliating defeat.

Posted by: Theo at August 31, 2023 04:10 PM (0p/Tu)

554 We'll find out how many Democrat voters Trump energized when we find out how many people voted for Biden

Posted by: ... at August 31, 2023 04:10 PM (vHpAx)

555 If you want me to pretend only the Dems are dirty I'm not your guy.
The uniparty is real.
Posted by: Inogame at August 31, 2023 04:05 PM (53oGX)

Its an explanation for why the GOP has zero interest in real election reform nationwide or locally, when the rampant corruption in cities hurts them massively.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 31, 2023 04:10 PM (eoQWY)

556 That seems true given the response here. But he must be drawing some new ones because his polling keeps going up. He's way ahead of where he was in 2016 at this point and according to people like Barris who is pretty sound pollster his support in the black and minority community is at levels not seen in many years and growing. The complete and total failure of the Biden administration along with the persecution of Trump by an out of control government seems to be striking a chord in the minority community. Unexpectedly.

Posted by: JackStraw

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I heard all of this during Trump's, and none of it came true.

You can look at exit polling and Trump basically did exactly the same with minorities as people like Mitt Romney or George Bush. But a few TikTok videos with black people wearing MAGA hates and suddenly people ignore reality. Trump got 8% of black voters, Bush also got 8% of black voters.

How a former President does in his party's primary has zero translation to a general election race.

What new voters Trump bringing? It doesn't really matter if you're losing more voters than you're bringing in.

Posted by: Blago at August 31, 2023 04:10 PM (wMRY8)

557 I honestly don't know the answer there. Is he bringing more people to the party than driving away. I certainly think that was true in 2016. Not sure any more.

I like him and support him. But I know people who pretty much think like me on most other things, but despise Trump at this point. I ask them why, and I don't really get a good answer. Its a bit infuriating, but there seems to be something there.

But his style does bring in some people. More than he drives away? I'm just not sure any more.
Posted by: SH (But Prefer Clark Griswold) at August 31, 2023 04:06 PM (sX1BW)
*****
These are the vibes I am getting from people.
They don't want to put up with the drama anymore.

Posted by: redridinghood at August 31, 2023 04:10 PM (NpAcC)

558 And you think that your Ivy League lawyer will get a different result?
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The one and only way to win in 2024 is to break the rules.

Ron the Lawyer is the last one who will.
Trump, despite the threat of death, is still playing by the rules like the damned fool he is.

I really don't know why Ron's folks get so worked up about him and this campaign-- he never had a rational to run, to win over Trump voters.
If he can't beat Trump, cause Trump is playing dirty, how the F is he going to beat Biden, major league dirtbag and cheater?
What is this, affirmative action for Ron, give him the nomination, just give ol' Gil a chance?

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 31, 2023 04:11 PM (TzW+Y)

559 554 We'll find out how many Democrat voters Trump energized when we find out how many people voted for Biden
Posted by: ... at August 31, 2023 04:10 PM (vHpAx)

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*footage of Fulton County election workers feeding the same ballot through the machine is not eligible for evidence because it's misinformation*

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 31, 2023 04:11 PM (LvTSG)

560 Are you kidding me? Joey thinks Ron will roll over for $350 mil?

In this economy that's pin money.

Posted by: creeper at August 31, 2023 04:12 PM (cTCuP)

561 I think Vivek reminded me of one thing. How old and decrepit most of the people in Washington are.
Posted by: Marcus T at August 31, 2023 04:03 PM (/Mfdi)
.......

Smiley Ramasalami

Posted by: wth at August 31, 2023 04:12 PM (v0R5T)

562 Whoa! Please tell me how Trump can win now that he's lost a vote in Chi-town and one in NY.

Posted by: Trump Or Bust! at August 31, 2023 04:12 PM (83IzV)

563 479 >>> Whether or not they do will be...illuminating, as is much of what Trump exposes.

so look, this is endemic; the idea is that trump will lose, but when he loses, we actually "win," because we'll "expose" them when they cheat.

This is just planning to lose but also having a plan to claim the loss is really a Moral Victory, in a way, if you think about it.
Posted by: ace at August 31, 2023 04:00 PM

That's not quite true...see so many mainstream Republicans actively campaign against Trump in 2016, after the base had repeatedly held its nose for the GOPe in 2004, 2008, 2012, etc...was an eye-opening experience for many here, and not an admission of defeat.

When Republican governors in 2020 didn't place, or enforce, secure voting procedures, or investigate allegations thereof...sure, Trump lost, but people weren't using the GOPe failures as an excuse...it was an indictment of the party once again backstabbing the base.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at August 31, 2023 04:12 PM (JCZqz)

564 19 of 20 'bellwether' counties went for Trump. Why is this swept under the rug instead of inspiring endless analysis on how this upends election modeling going forward that would have happened if people thought the election was legit?

Posted by: Chuck Martel at August 31, 2023 04:12 PM (Dl2a5)

565 I hate to say it, but I think whoever wins in the primaries has to consume the other's heart on live television: to take his power. It's our only shot. Also, I really want to see politicians eat their adversaries.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at August 31, 2023 04:12 PM (ppBhU)

566 These are the vibes I am getting from people.
They don't want to put up with the drama anymore.
Posted by: redridinghood at August 31, 2023 04:10 PM (NpAcC)

Drama and old people - 80+ year olds in politics will not be popular in 2024 elections...

Posted by: Nova Local at August 31, 2023 04:12 PM (exHjb)

567 I have seen how both Trump and DeSantis governed when given that power. I have seen who these men hired to work for them. I can see how these men have handled the media.

I will joyfully vote for DeSantis.
I will vote for Trump for revenge.

Posted by: portlandon at August 31, 2023 04:12 PM (+oR7L)

568 "Strange how Democrats' rigging affects Trump and only Trump.

Posted by: Theo at August 31, 2023 03:42 PM (0p/Tu) "

Are you fucking serious?
Posted by: VAR1ABLE at August 31, 2023 04:08 PM (Hd1+B)

lol, Theo, you need to get a bit better at your job. It has been a constant complaint of republicans, going allll the way back to JFK's first election, that there is a LOT of shadiness every fucking election, mostly in big cities, and always in the favor the D.

Every city in America seems to "find" ballots that sway every close election.

This did not start in 2020, and I don't know anyone who thinks it does. And the complaining after every election has gone on my entire life.

So you sound like you got your talking points from some left wing propaganda. Not the role you're playing today -- you're supposed to be SEVERELY conservative, and team DeSantis.

You should take some pages from our Mittbots, they were quality Mobys.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 31, 2023 04:12 PM (mj0Qp)

569 Donald Trump was recorded telling someone to find votes for him. So you're right, not only Dems are dirty.

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Want to learn something neat?

The AP reporters reporting on elections and voter fraud in Georgia? They're associated with and paid by Stacey Abrams' "New Georgia" voter fraud - sorry, "rights" - foundation.

https://tinyurl.com/2bsocxa5

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The EPA has determined US has cooled since 1948 at August 31, 2023 04:12 PM (BMWRT)

570 not sure what he does next. He's term limited, his governorship ending in 2026. Both Senate seats in FL are held by Republicans. Does he go back to the House? What does he do other than heading a Super PAC, or something?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 31, 2023 04:06 PM (LvTSG)

His term as guv in Jan 2027. In June/July 2027, the primary debates for 2028 begin.

Posted by: Montec at August 31, 2023 04:13 PM (a2ndm)

571 557 These are the vibes I am getting from people.
They don't want to put up with the drama anymore.
Posted by: redridinghood at August 31, 2023 04:10 PM (NpAcC)

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Since most of the drama is actually media manufactured nonsense (remember the "losers at Normandy" thing that ended up not happening?), it seem naive to think the "drama" goes away with another Republican.

They turned a light-Democrat who had cultural cache into literally Hitler. They'll do the same to anyone else, especially since they know it's "effective" to dredge up consistent drama that needs to be refuted.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 31, 2023 04:13 PM (LvTSG)

572 nitey nite sleepytime strategery

draw an epsom salt bath, throw in some drops of essential oils: lavender, bergamot. about 4 drops each should be enough

soak for a while

sleep....(once you're out of the tub of course)
Posted by: kallisto,

Pics ?

Posted by: JT at August 31, 2023 04:13 PM (T4tVD)

573 Whoa! Please tell me how Trump can win now that he's lost a vote in Chi-town and one in NY.
Posted by: Trump Or Bust! at August 31, 2023 04:12 PM (83IzV)

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LOL

Posted by: Jordan61 at August 31, 2023 04:13 PM (DRSnL)

574 "389 this is the textbook definition of stoopid
Posted by: REDACTED at August 31, 2023 03:43 PM (us2H3)
And your comment was a textbook example of a straw-man argument.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 31, 2023 03:47 PM (lQONO) "

Skip the white knighting and tell us the answer, dildo.
Will dumping Trump buy us mercy from the commies?

Posted by: VAR1ABLE at August 31, 2023 04:13 PM (Hd1+B)

575 His term as guv ENDS in Jan 2027.

Posted by: Montec at August 31, 2023 04:13 PM (a2ndm)

576 *peeks in thread*

*slowly closes door*

Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 31, 2023 04:13 PM (mZ3xv)

577 What new voters Trump bringing? It doesn't really matter if you're losing more voters than you're bringing in.
Posted by: Blago at August 31, 2023 04:10 PM (wMRY

******
Very true.

Posted by: redridinghood at August 31, 2023 04:13 PM (NpAcC)

578 Donald Trump was recorded telling someone to find votes for him. So you're right, not only Dems are dirty.

his lawyers had done an audit of the GA vote and discovered something like 80k questionalbe ballots. Bidet "won" GA by about 12k votes. Trump asked Kemp to look at that discrepancy, all Kemp would have needed to do is cure about 20k of the questionable ballots which would have been easy since most of them were dead anyway

Posted by: kallisto, at August 31, 2023 04:14 PM (8ON7U)

579 Whoa! Please tell me how Trump can win now that he's lost a vote in Chi-town and one in NY.

Posted by: Trump Or Bust!
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Hold my 40oz malt beverage. Hold this other one I got in my pocket, too.
- N*ggas 4 Trump 2024 guy

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The EPA has determined US has cooled since 1948 at August 31, 2023 04:14 PM (BMWRT)

580 Fuck off, troll

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at August 31, 2023 04:09 PM (xcxpd)

You're out of line.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 31, 2023 04:14 PM (lQONO)

581 The party is changing. The GOP hates Trump, ask Mitch, so I expect him to lose support there. But he is bringing lots of new voters with him and that is something no other candidate is doing.

I'll vote for either Trump or DeSantis but I strongly prefer Trump so he will get my support in the primary. There really isn't anyone else who has a prayer or whom I would get off my couch to vote for in the general.
Posted by: JackStraw
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There is a basic class dimension to the Trump v DeSantis fight and indeed in the GOP itself. The upper class that schmoozes with Dems colleagues all have degrees and credentials and a certain temperament and attitudes. Trump doesn't do well with that crowd. Ironically, some of them turned to Biden in 2016 who is worse than Trump in every measure of temperament and attitude.

Trump appeals to people up to their ass in alligators with little insulation from illegals, crime, the bad economy, etc. and they literally do not give one shit about temperament or the mutual self congratulations among the upper classes that form the backbone of the uniparty.

This probably signals realignment time where parties either die or are born anew.

Posted by: whig at August 31, 2023 04:14 PM (L9qbQ)

582 But his style does bring in some people. More than he drives away?
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That really is the bottom line.

And for Ron's folks: Does he bring in more of those put off by Trump than he loses by those who will only come out for Trump?

The primary polling is a good indicator of that, eh?

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 31, 2023 04:14 PM (TzW+Y)

583 In the end it will be four more years of some damned Democrat…

Posted by: tubal at August 31, 2023 04:14 PM (PCK5/)

584 You all are arguing as if we have such a thing as honest elections. We don't. What changed since 2020 0r 2022? Los Angeles and Wisconsin did some perfunctory cleaning of their voter rolls. We still have mail in ballots, ripe for every kind of fraud. We have the threat of another covid scare. The media hasn't admitted any of their previous lies, not one.
Very little has changed.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at August 31, 2023 04:15 PM (MeG8a)

585 583 In the end it will be four more years of some damned Democrat…
Posted by: tubal at August 31, 2023 04:14 PM (PCK5/)

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Because Democrats actually take voter fraud seriously.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 31, 2023 04:15 PM (LvTSG)

586 Whoa! Please tell me how Trump can win now that he's lost a vote in Chi-town and one in NY.

********

No path to victory

Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger at August 31, 2023 04:15 PM (VTu1l)

587 I think a significant component of the blog readership started this primary campaign fully prepared to support the GOP nominee. Some preferred Trump, some DeSantis.

In the 2022 election, Trump started burning bridges. it was no longer about America First, it was about Trump Only. Many of us tried to keep a civil tongue while supporting our preferred candidate, but the never-ending smears, lies, suggestions that loyalty demands DeSantis (not FezGPT) drop out, and overall fuckwitedness have led me to despise Trump and really have a hard time discussing things civilly with the worst of his advocates.

Posted by: Candidus at August 31, 2023 04:15 PM (886E0)

588 @548

>>And there it is.

Yeah, there it is.

A vote for anyone other than Trump is a vote for, acceptance and approval of all of the Deep State/Uniparty Operations, machinations and maneuvering to destroy Trump and stamp out the MAGA and America First Movement.

F**K.

THAT.

SH*T.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 31, 2023 04:15 PM (rc3Z7)

589 Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 31, 2023 04:12 PM (mj0Qp)

So this has been going on for decades...

...but unlike Nixon, Reagan, and Bush Jr., Trump wasn't able to overcome it.

I'm going to ask again: Why do Republicans that aren't Trump consistently win in places he gets blown out in? Wouldn't fraud, or big-city cheating bring them down too?

And if they're just so good they can overcome it, why can't Trump?

Posted by: Theo at August 31, 2023 04:15 PM (0p/Tu)

590 Pics ?

Posted by: JT at August 31, 2023 04:13 PM (T4tVD)

you want to see pictures of ace soaking in the tub?

I'm sure he'll be flattered!

Posted by: kallisto, at August 31, 2023 04:15 PM (8ON7U)

591 584 You all are arguing as if we have such a thing as honest elections. We don't. What changed since 2020 0r 2022? Los Angeles and Wisconsin did some perfunctory cleaning of their voter rolls. We still have mail in ballots, ripe for every kind of fraud. We have the threat of another covid scare. The media hasn't admitted any of their previous lies, not one.
Very little has changed.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at August 31, 2023 04:15 PM (MeG8a)

Democrats aren't getting worse at cheating.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 31, 2023 04:15 PM (mZ3xv)

592 not sure what he does next. He's term limited, his governorship ending in 2026. Both Senate seats in FL are held by Republicans. Does he go back to the House? What does he do other than heading a Super PAC, or something?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 31, 2023 04:06 PM (LvTSG)

His term as guv in Jan 2027. In June/July 2027, the primary debates for 2028 begin.
Posted by: Montec at August 31, 2023 04:13 PM (a2ndm)

He should take bids from other states to be their governor for a few years.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 31, 2023 04:15 PM (eoQWY)

593 547 I thought a Trump-DeSantis ticket was a done deal. Trump pulled in new voters, black voters, hispanic voters, Democrat union workers. He greatly expanded the Republican party "big tent." To me, a Trump-DeSantis ticket would have been unstoppable.

But the Republican Party hates Trump even more than they hate their alleged base, and they pursued DeSantis for the express purpose of stopping Trump. I genuinely don't believe the GOP cares about winning. Witness Bitch McConnell in the Senate, and the GOP House sellouts who all resigned to hand power to the Dems.

I wasn't trying to anger or disrespect Ace. This was my favorite site on the internet. Ace is the funniest writer I've encountered, and the Moron Horde is the funniest and most intelligent bunch I've encountered on the net. I just see the level of vitriol directed at people who support Trump and wonder if I've accidentally logged in at Democratic Underground.
-snip-
Posted by: Sam Adams at August 31, 2023 04:09 PM (KEWDx)

This is still my favorite site on the internet. I can live with being a Trumpist here, and with disagreeing with Ace on this point. However, I'm too lazy to start my own blog, so I'll be a good guest.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at August 31, 2023 04:16 PM (/iWhV)

594 Wait until we start debating Chili recipes.
Posted by: SH (But Prefer Clark Griswold) at August 31, 2023 03:11 PM (sX1BW)

Carrots in chile
Maple syrup on French Toast

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy now with twice the crazy at August 31, 2023 04:16 PM (Zvtjl)

595 Donald Trump was recorded telling someone to find votes for him. So you're right, not only Dems are dirty.

The problem is there's evidence Trump actually did try to cheat (and just failed on account of his incompetence), not Kemp.

Posted by: Theo at August 31, 2023 04:08 PM (0p/Tu)

It's tongue and cheek. We say that every election night. Since the Dems DO always manage to find ballots. Remember Ohio in 2012? I believe several thousand ballots found in a trunk of a Buick, if I recall. It's a meme going back to before there were memes.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 31, 2023 04:16 PM (mj0Qp)

596 his lawyers had done an audit of the GA vote and discovered something like 80k questionalbe ballots. Bidet "won" GA by about 12k votes.

--

And he was 100% correct. One county alone:

"Georgia Records Report Finds 17,000 Votes Invented Out of Thin Air"

https://tinyurl.com/2jqrqau4

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The EPA has determined US has cooled since 1948 at August 31, 2023 04:16 PM (BMWRT)

597 521 "Dhillon, Wasn't she the RNC lawyer tasked with protecting the GOP elections? "

Go back and look at her platform vs Rona. Keep in mind that Rona was the one ultimately calling the shots and allocating money. There was only so much Harneet could do without McRomneytrump pulling the strings. She wanted to change things. Instead you're getting a repeat of the last fail with generous bonuses to consultants.
Posted by: Marcus T at August 31, 2023 04:06 PM (/Mfdi)

Read what you typed again.
She said she wanted to change things, but she was employed by the RNC for elections.
Did she say the McDaniel didn't do the things she suggested, or that she wanted to change things.
She was drafted to run so Lindell didn't get the uppity voters huffing mad at the "company"
She was never a real candidate for the job, she was still on the payroll.
Incidentally, is she still the RNC lawyer? (honest question I don't know)

Posted by: Inogame at August 31, 2023 04:16 PM (53oGX)

598 I see where Trump has publicly come out and said if he's elected he's going after his political rivals and will attempt to put them in jail. Stating, "they're doing it to us."

I'm not sure publicly stating your intentions in this regard was wise. Plus, it's highly unlikely any current or former politician will ever go to jail other than, possibly, Trump. And provides yet another topic to beat him, and his supporters over their collective heads about.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 31, 2023 04:16 PM (Q4IgG)

599 ACE - grow up. Name calling by the MSM is not the same as raids & indictments by law enforcement & the DAs. Do better.

Posted by: that guy at August 31, 2023 04:16 PM (h5Avx)

600 Great point, Ace. I like to think conservatives are smarter than the other side, but this blind backing of Trump is making me wonder. To paraphrase Emerson, "there is a certain superiority of fact on the conservative side and a certain superiority of feeling on the liberal side." But conservatives seem to be allowing feelings to interfere with their thinking in this election.

Posted by: James Varney at August 31, 2023 04:16 PM (BFhXu)

601 589 So this has been going on for decades...

...but unlike Nixon, Reagan, and Bush Jr., Trump wasn't able to overcome it.

I'm going to ask again: Why do Republicans that aren't Trump consistently win in places he gets blown out in? Wouldn't fraud, or big-city cheating bring them down too?

And if they're just so good they can overcome it, why can't Trump?
Posted by: Theo at August 31, 2023 04:15 PM (0p/Tu)

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What is the normal amount of fraud in Atlanta? How much fraud was in Atlanta in 2020?

How normal was the amount of fraud in Atlanta compared to previous years?

You've admitted that fraud is real. Okay, what is the normal level, and was the 2020 amount normal level?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 31, 2023 04:16 PM (LvTSG)

602 NOOD, you dirty, dirty dogs!

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at August 31, 2023 04:17 PM (ppBhU)

603 Are you fucking serious?
Posted by: VAR1ABLE

Is that the cow's name ?

Posted by: JT at August 31, 2023 04:17 PM (T4tVD)

604 Skip the white knighting and tell us the answer, dildo.
Will dumping Trump buy us mercy from the commies?

Posted by: VAR1ABLE at August 31, 2023 04:13 PM (Hd1+B)

Speaking of straw-man arguments.

That is a stupid supposition, and has nothing to do with the conversation.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 31, 2023 04:17 PM (lQONO)

605 Yeah, there it is.

A vote for anyone other than Trump is a vote for, acceptance and approval of all of the Deep State/Uniparty Operations, machinations and maneuvering to destroy Trump and stamp out the MAGA and America First Movement.

F**K.

THAT.

SH*T.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 31, 2023 04:15 PM (rc3Z7)

Literally cannot tell if this is parody or not.

Posted by: Theo at August 31, 2023 04:17 PM (0p/Tu)

606 559 554 We'll find out how many Democrat voters Trump energized when we find out how many people voted for Biden
Posted by: ... at August 31, 2023 04:10 PM (vHpAx)
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*footage of Fulton County election workers feeding the same ballot through the machine is not eligible for evidence because it's misinformation*
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 31, 2023 04:11 PM

And, if I understand Ace right, it's Trump's fault for not donning the orange Trump-cape and storming the rigged election counting room.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at August 31, 2023 04:17 PM (JCZqz)

607 84 Don't forget that Trump's sycophants also pushed the recent rumor that DeSantis would drop out and challenge Rick Scott for his seat. I guess they don't like the internal polling moves they're seeing.
Posted by: Marcus T at August 31, 2023 03:10 PM (/Mfdi)
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Rrrriiiiiight... The guy leading by 50 pts in the polls doesn't like the polling. Gotcha there Einstein

Posted by: deadrody at August 31, 2023 04:17 PM (YSD70)

608 Forget it, Jake. It's Washingtown.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 31, 2023 04:17 PM (FVME7)

609 Rammy looks way too happy and alive up there on stage. We need somebody morose and depressing like Asa or Pence.

Posted by: wth at August 31, 2023 04:17 PM (v0R5T)

610 Democrats aren't getting worse at cheating.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 31, 2023 04:15 PM (mZ3xv)

On the contrary, the best cheating is the one nobody notices. There is a huge ill effect in the country of the endemic fraud in every election we have these days.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 31, 2023 04:17 PM (eoQWY)

611 No I'll call him Trump, fanboi cultist bitch faggot. He lost the election and he'll lose the next one too.

Then he'll go to jail with no one to pardon him and you'll cry and say it was MY fault for warning you he would lose.
Posted by: ace at August 31, 2023 03:11 PM (KRtlO)
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Good to see we're back on the public meltdown train

Posted by: deadrody at August 31, 2023 04:18 PM (YSD70)

612 13 Ace, love your work, but Desantis hired establishment advisors and committed political suicide. Plus he’s made a number of errors part of which includes deciding to listen to those advisors—his calls.

Posted by: DavidH at August 31, 2023 02:59 PM (I0pC+)

And Trump got moola from Soros at one time...
and held up a LGBTQ banner at least once, remember that?
I will likely vote for Trump, cuz no one else is anywhere near him in the polls, but doesn't mean the dude doesn't have a ton of baggage as well.
Who else is Ron going to turn to? Trump turned to both establishment folks AND outsiders, he was stabbed in the back by both

Posted by: ziggggeeee at August 31, 2023 04:18 PM (JbT0v)

613 Democrats aren't getting worse at cheating.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 31, 2023 04:15 PM (mZ3xv)

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* Maricopa County has entered the chat *

Posted by: ShainS -- Deplorable AND Listless Vessel AND Overimaginative Scamp at August 31, 2023 04:18 PM (9jFWV)

614 Trump appeals to people up to their ass in alligators with little insulation from illegals, crime, the bad economy, etc. and they literally do not give one shit about temperament or the mutual self congratulations among the upper classes that form the backbone of the uniparty.

This probably signals realignment time where parties either die or are born anew.
Posted by: whig

So you’re either a rich person or a red neck?

That’s ridiculous. Many middle class and upper middle class love President Trump. Not to speak of self made millionaires… and yeah, we are the majority

Posted by: Gonzotx at August 31, 2023 04:18 PM (ozaby)

615 How did a racial shooting in Florida become a story about Trump
Posted by: ..

Like Obama every story is about Trump too.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at August 31, 2023 04:18 PM (ga8qR)

616 587 I think a significant component of the blog readership started this primary campaign fully prepared to support the GOP nominee. Some preferred Trump, some DeSantis.

In the 2022 election, Trump started burning bridges. it was no longer about America First, it was about Trump Only. Many of us tried to keep a civil tongue while supporting our preferred candidate, but the never-ending smears, lies, suggestions that loyalty demands DeSantis (not FezGPT) drop out, and overall fuckwitedness have led me to despise Trump and really have a hard time discussing things civilly with the worst of his advocates.
Posted by: Candidus at August 31, 2023 04:15 PM

I’m there as well. I’ll still vote for Trump in the general because getting rid of Biden trumps (ha ha get it) all else. But I really hope he is not the nominee. He’s a fucking joke now.

Posted by: Montec at August 31, 2023 04:18 PM (a2ndm)

617 >>"Georgia Records Report Finds 17,000 Votes Invented Out of Thin Air"

They were invented...

but, later they were Cured Comrade!

Posted by: garrett at August 31, 2023 04:18 PM (c4O5y)

618 Donald Trump was recorded telling someone to find votes for him. So you're right, not only Dems are dirty.

The problem is there's evidence Trump actually did try to cheat (and just failed on account of his incompetence), not Kemp.

Posted by: Theo at August 31, 2023 04:08 PM (0p/Tu)

BWAHAHAHHA,
sure thing troll

Posted by: Inogame at August 31, 2023 04:19 PM (53oGX)

619 594 Wait until we start debating Chili recipes.
Posted by: SH (But Prefer Clark Griswold) at August 31, 2023 03:11 PM (sX1BW)

Carrots in chile
Maple syrup on French Toast

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy now with twice the crazy at August 31, 2023 04:16 PM (Zvtjl)

Longbows v. Crossbows
Glocks v. every other handgun
Mannix Girls v. Fen Girls

Posted by: Darrell Harris at August 31, 2023 04:19 PM (/iWhV)

620 They turned a light-Democrat who had cultural cache into literally Hitler. They'll do the same to anyone else, especially since they know it's "effective" to dredge up consistent drama that needs to be refuted.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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And they TRY to do this to every Republican, but usually they don't get help from the person they are trying to destroy. Remember Chimpy McHitler? He went on to win a 2nd term and even the popular vote.

My big problem with Trump is I just think he's incredibly incompetent and will lose a very winnable election. I'm not convinced at all that's some evil white supremacist, on that they failed completely.

And everyone running (including Trump) believes the next election is winnable, they just have to do "better" than what Trump did in 2020. I dont believe Trump can do that, he has hit his high water mark and has lost even more voters.

Posted by: Blago at August 31, 2023 04:20 PM (wMRY8)

621 >>I heard all of this during Trump's, and none of it came true.

It all came true. Trump got more legal votes than any sitting president in history and that includes the mocha messiah.

Trump has brought more working class voters into the party than any president I can remember since Reagan, maybe including Reagan. If you ever actually watched his campaign rallies and heard his message and looked at the crowd you would know this is true. These aren't country club Republicans attending his rallies, they are blue collar Americans and minorities and he speaks directly to them in a way no Republican does.

We now know factually thanks to the twitter files and other things how vast the cheating was and it started even before Trump was inaugurated with constant lies and investigations to fake news reporting to lies about Joe's corruption and on and on and on. It was the prototypical color revolution and it worked. It's still working on people like you.

We face an enormous uphill battle no matter who is the nominee. They have shown they will lie, cheat and steal without compunction to keep power. I think our best hope is our own bare knuckles fighter but everyone choose yours.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 31, 2023 04:20 PM (ZLI7S)

622 You've admitted that fraud is real. Okay, what is the normal level, and was the 2020 amount normal level?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 31, 2023 04:16 PM (LvTSG)

Here's another response:

I don't give a shit.

Trump bootlickers just use "But they CHEATED" as an all-purpose excuse to justify Trump's failures. If literally anything doesn't go their way, it was fraud.

Whatever fraud in Atlanta there was, didn't stop Brian Kemp from rolling Stacey Abrams. Tell me what Trump will DO about it. And if the answer is "Nothing, he's just going to whine", then at least understand why I'm not impressed.

Posted by: Theo at August 31, 2023 04:20 PM (0p/Tu)

623 Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 31, 2023 04:15 PM (rc3Z7)
********

Literally cannot tell if this is parody or not.

Posted by: Theo at August 31, 2023 04:17 PM (0p/Tu)
******
Please tell me this is.

Posted by: redridinghood at August 31, 2023 04:20 PM (NpAcC)

624 ...

And, if I understand Ace right, it's Trump's fault for not donning the orange Trump-cape and storming the rigged election counting room.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at August 31, 2023 04:17 PM (JCZqz)

Well, Trump bragged afterwards that they would rig the election. Oh really? if he knew that, why didn't he tell us to force our way inside locations with cameras and refuse to leave til the votes were counted in front of everyone?
It's what we need to do in 2024

Posted by: ziggggeeee at August 31, 2023 04:21 PM (JbT0v)

625 So you’re either a rich person or a red neck?

That’s ridiculous. Many middle class and upper middle class love President Trump. Not to speak of self made millionaires… and yeah, we are the majority
Posted by: Gonzotx at August 31, 2023 04:18 PM (ozaby)

One of the biggest myths on both sides is/was just that. Rednecks voted Trump well to do voted Clinton/Biden. When in fact Trump won the $250k+ Group.

Where he lost was single women and suburban women. And he lost them so bigly, that winning everyone else wasn’t enough.

Posted by: Montec at August 31, 2023 04:21 PM (a2ndm)

626 They turned a light-Democrat who had cultural cache into literally Hitler. They'll do the same to anyone else, especially since they know it's "effective" to dredge up consistent drama that needs to be refuted.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 31, 2023 04:13

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Whomever is the nominee, they will be the second coming of Hitler wearing a KKK hood, driving the General Lee, with an Auschwitz bumper sticker.

Posted by: portlandon at August 31, 2023 04:22 PM (+oR7L)

627 Posted by: redridinghood at August 31, 2023 04:20 PM (NpAcC)

It's one of the many reasons why Trump and his "movement" failed so dismally. At some point (maybe at the beginning), it stopped being about the country or anything long-term, and just became about one man.

As one writer put it:

"His fanatical followers are unable to admit his errors; indeed, they see him as incapable of error, and their support for him, in the absence of actual accomplishments, rests purely on “‘They’re’ all against him! He’s a champion of us, but ‘they’ sabotaged him from day one. His misfortunes are never due to his own actions.”"

Posted by: Theo at August 31, 2023 04:22 PM (0p/Tu)

628 622 Here's another response:

I don't give a shit.

Trump bootlickers just use "But they CHEATED" as an all-purpose excuse to justify Trump's failures. If literally anything doesn't go their way, it was fraud.

Whatever fraud in Atlanta there was, didn't stop Brian Kemp from rolling Stacey Abrams. Tell me what Trump will DO about it. And if the answer is "Nothing, he's just going to whine", then at least understand why I'm not impressed.
Posted by: Theo at August 31, 2023 04:20 PM (0p/Tu)

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How about: Kemp is dirty and got rich after becoming governor.

Kemp does what he's told.

Now, what is the normal level of cheat in Philly? What amount happened in 2020? Was that normal?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 31, 2023 04:22 PM (LvTSG)

629 Get off the fucking computer and go do your homework, Theo!

Posted by: Dr Cliff Huxtible at August 31, 2023 04:23 PM (c4O5y)

630 I’m there as well. I’ll still vote for Trump in the general because getting rid of Biden trumps (ha ha get it) all else. But I really hope he is not the nominee. He’s a fucking joke now.
Posted by: Montec
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If the race does end up being Biden vs Trump, you're going to see it pull away with Trump behind double digits. And that's when the near majority of even GOP voters will probably throw in a protest 3rd party vote to let everyone know we're not doing Trump again in 2028.

The fact that FORMER PRESIDENT Trump still has such fractured support of GOP voters shows how disliked he truly is.

Posted by: Blago at August 31, 2023 04:23 PM (wMRY8)

631 I keep waking up and my deep sleep is very low. I wear a fitbit so i know (approximately) how much high quality deep sleep I get. i've been getting very little lately.

thank you for asking.

Posted by: ace at August 31, 2023 03:19 PM (KRtlO)

What's a fitbit ?

Posted by: JT at August 31, 2023 04:24 PM (T4tVD)

632 I think most of the problem here for Ace and other RDS folks is that they essentially want Trump to pull a McCain move like McCain did with Oblabla and say, "You have nothing to fear from Ron DeSantis."

But, that's not the way to win as McCain proved.

And it's silly that DeSantis folks would expect that.

Posted by: naturalfake at August 31, 2023 04:24 PM (QzZeQ)

633 This sounds about as smart as rejecting your social security check.

Posted by: MostlyRight at August 31, 2023 04:24 PM (rHz4i)

634 Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 31, 2023 04:22 PM (LvTSG)

It's Kemp's fault Trump is a fucking loser?

Show me evidence. Show me evidence Kemp did something to screw over Trump. The fact that he happened to be governor of a state Trump got destroyed in isn't enough.

Posted by: Theo at August 31, 2023 04:24 PM (0p/Tu)

635 Comparing Kemp to Trump is apples and oranges. It was different elections. A better comparison is Walker and Kemp last year.

Posted by: Montec at August 31, 2023 04:24 PM (a2ndm)

636 For all the whining about Trump supporters being super aggressive meanies these threads only seem to bring out new DeSantis trolls.

Funny that.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 31, 2023 04:25 PM (ZLI7S)

637 469 >>>I guess I forgot. I was also stupidly supporting another ivy league lawyer at the time...

and here comes the socio-cultural resentment... Our Tribe Is Best Tribe

and I'm not ivy league, I wish. I grew up poor.

Posted by: ace at August 31, 2023 03:59 PM (KRtlO)

Not socio-cultural resentment, I'm just pointing out an indicator or pattern.
Please go on and refute my assertion that lawyer pols have fucked up this country. I'll wait...

Posted by: VAR1ABLE at August 31, 2023 04:25 PM (Hd1+B)

638 >>Funny that.

Too bad Axelrod couldn't get a patent for that shit.

Posted by: garrett at August 31, 2023 04:26 PM (c4O5y)

639 Posted by: Montec at August 31, 2023 04:24 PM (a2ndm)

That also works.

Posted by: Theo at August 31, 2023 04:27 PM (0p/Tu)

640 Enough of your S love affair with little d

President Trump to you , not Trump, is busy fighting the entire political communist agenda against him trying to imprison him, if not out right murder him, if little d had any balls he would drop out, as they all should in support of President Trump, who had his Presidency stolen from him and us.
He's not wrong.

Posted by: Shaftoe at August 31, 2023 04:27 PM (BZYCq)

641 How about: Kemp is dirty and got rich after becoming governor.

Kemp does what he's told.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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Theories like that though are getting into the fever swamps.

So the cabal chooses some Democrats that lose and some that win, purely based on some Trump score?

I can go along with "cheating happens", but now its Illuminati silliness.

What Kemp was doing, we need it done again to win GA. We tried Trump's way, he keeps losing.

Posted by: Blago at August 31, 2023 04:27 PM (wMRY8)

642 Ace
Glad to hear you're using a sleep monitor.

I used a ResMed system years ago and it really thought me about my sleeping patterns.

I used that knowledge to change my system (?) and now sleep like a baby.

Posted by: naturalfake at August 31, 2023 04:27 PM (QzZeQ)

643 So you’re either a rich person or a red neck?

That’s ridiculous. Many middle class and upper middle class love President Trump. Not to speak of self made millionaires… and yeah, we are the majority
Posted by: Gonzotx
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You might actually look at the polling for the 2024 primary here. Not discussing 2020 election but this round. Until just recently (and you get a problem when your subgroup sample drops below a certain threshold), higher SES Republican voters skewed toward DeSantis while lower SES skewed toward Trump. The lines converged about a month or two ago but that could be an artifact of dropping DeSantis support.

In general, the higher the SES, the greater the support for 'moderate' candidates aka GOPe on the GOP side. On the Dem side, you actually have the base of the party with more conservative attitudes than their high SES counterparts.

Posted by: whig at August 31, 2023 04:29 PM (L9qbQ)

644 Ace, a little late, but find some asmr videos that .... suit your taste.

Posted by: runner at August 31, 2023 04:29 PM (idBr5)

645 "Kemp is a seasoned machine politician who effortlessly gains and wields power. Trump is a helpless crybaby loser who's constantly being outsmarted and outfought by pros stronger than he is."

This is the pro-Trump narrative. This is what people who want you to support Trump believe.

Posted by: Theo at August 31, 2023 04:29 PM (0p/Tu)

646 If Babys sleep so well, why are parents always complaining that they can't ever get any sleep?

Posted by: garrett at August 31, 2023 04:30 PM (c4O5y)

647 Not socio-cultural resentment, I'm just pointing out an indicator or pattern.
Please go on and refute my assertion that lawyer pols have fucked up this country. I'll wait...
Posted by: VAR1ABLE at August 31, 2023 04:25 PM (Hd1+B)

———

Not to mention he’s been on the government payroll near his entire adult life.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at August 31, 2023 04:30 PM (cMXNt)

648 Why can't Ron say he will pardon Trump? Why is this such a hard thing to say? "We'll definitely look into it" is weak sauce. It's as gay as Pence thinking Trump will be given a fair trial by a jury of his peers.

Also, why can't Ron come out and say Kemp needs to support removing Fanni Willis? Kemp is a faggot and the people acting like he's this great GOP leader are fucking liars. Gay and Cuck's show this afternoon was estrogen filled country club RINO panic about their good old boy system going away.

Posted by: UwU_Power at August 31, 2023 04:30 PM (3kWw+)

649
"You guys always have these stupid excuses about why we should just accept that trump is a nasty asshole and that we've earned our abuse but the moment one of us comes back and insults HIM, the complaining and crying starts.

Posted by: ace at August 31, 2023 04:02 PM (KRtlO)"

LMAO, weak af. Try insults not swiped from the commies stale playbook and maybe we'll appreciate them more.
You used to be clever asshole, wtf happend?
Did Bill Mitchell take over the blog?

Posted by: VAR1ABLE at August 31, 2023 04:31 PM (Hd1+B)

650 DeSantis has been, by how calculate such matters, an excellent governor, and by those same measures could be a good president while remarkably being something of a dismal candidate. Making his case lands on him and on him only; if he cannot close that deal there is no sustainable campaign. Ultimately, none of these distorted characterizations of him would matter if he was making his case. He still has time.

Trump caught lightening in the 2016. His transformation during that campaign was remarkable. He went from being somewhat of a joke to having an incredibly honed message that, for the first time in my life, spoke directly to the conservative half of middle America and then he delivered much of which he pledged. At the same time he is something of a miserable administrator and has a singular talent for driving his opponents out of their minds. He never was not going to be a political Cat 5 hurricane and in there somewhere is the source of current primary polarization even as Democrats are destroying the Republican primary leader and in the process likely and effectively disfranchising half of the nation.

I am of two minds right now as stated above but lean to warrior.

Posted by: Lost In Space at August 31, 2023 04:31 PM (jlbtb)

651 What's with all the new nics??!

Posted by: runner at August 31, 2023 04:32 PM (idBr5)

652
This thread is why we can't have nice things.

Posted by: Aunt Edna, after broken lamp at Trump/Desantis thread at August 31, 2023 04:32 PM (+oR7L)

653 We have our own trolls, tested and approved, we don't ned no new trolls!

Posted by: runner at August 31, 2023 04:32 PM (idBr5)

654 Frigging daylight savings time. (Now > 7 1/2 months in length.)

Posted by: L - Practice makes perfect. They know their enemies at August 31, 2023 04:33 PM (GshMh)

655 What Kemp was doing, we need it done again to win GA. We tried Trump's way, he keeps losing.
Posted by: Blago
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Ah yes, Kemp is the guy as SoS in 2018 that wiped the State's servers before the Abrams campaign lawsuit could get to them. His chief of staff was hired by Dominion and Dominion won the contract for new voting machines. During the same period of time until today, Kemp became a multi millionaire due to 'investments'.

GaGOP is as dirty as Arizona's GOP party and most likely for the same reason. Both states rank high for drug and human trafficking.

Posted by: whig at August 31, 2023 04:33 PM (L9qbQ)

656 601 589 So this has been going on for decades...

...but unlike Nixon, Reagan, and Bush Jr., Trump wasn't able to overcome it.

I'm going to ask again: Why do Republicans that aren't Trump consistently win in places he gets blown out in? Wouldn't fraud, or big-city cheating bring them down too?

And if they're just so good they can overcome it, why can't Trump?
Posted by: Theo at August 31, 2023 04:15 PM (0p/Tu)

That is such a ridiculous statement , any fraud should not be acceptable but the fraud used against PRESIDENT Trump, was beyond the pale and of now that they got this ballot harvesting down, no Republican will win, no MAGA Republican going forward

Posted by: Gonzotx at August 31, 2023 04:34 PM (ozaby)

657 651 What's with all the new nics??!
Posted by: runner
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Paid responders is my guess--some might be flushed lurkers but I dunno.

There are internet services that flag mentions of keywords so that the flying monkey bots can be summoned.

Posted by: whig at August 31, 2023 04:34 PM (L9qbQ)

658 "Donald Trump was recorded telling someone to find votes for him. So you're right, not only Dems are dirty.
The problem is there's evidence Trump actually did try to cheat (and just failed on account of his incompetence), not Kemp.
Posted by: Theo at August 31, 2023 04:08 PM (0p/Tu) "

Okay, comrade.

Posted by: VAR1ABLE at August 31, 2023 04:35 PM (Hd1+B)

659 DeSantis has an obvious motive in defending Trump - Ace's advice, if taken, could cost Ron the votes of those who would support either man. DJT, on the other hand, gains nothing by either attacking OR defending DeSantis. Both are simply acting in their own best interest.

Posted by: Lawrence Duffield at August 31, 2023 04:36 PM (lPk09)

660 Posted by: Gonzotx at August 31, 2023 04:34 PM (ozaby)

What did Trump, who is no longer President, do about it? What will he do about it?

If you don't have an answer, what is the point of supporting him?

Posted by: Theo at August 31, 2023 04:36 PM (0p/Tu)

661 432 >>>When Trump explains exactly what he is doing and going to do to combat the cheat, then I will pay attention. But all he has done was support the status quo.

He doesn't say. He has no plan.

He won't even admit that he could have done some things better, which at least would be a suggestion that he intends to do things differently.

Instead, he insists he ran 2020 perfectly, with the perfect plan of filing challenges to election changes AFTER the election instead of before, which tells me he's planning on doing all the same loser bullshit again.
Posted by: ace at August 31, 2023 03:52 PM (KRtlO)

Isn't that asking him to show his hand to the Democrats?

Posted by: Jack Squat Bupkis at August 31, 2023 04:37 PM (GD2xa)

662 Why can't Ron say he will pardon Trump? Why is this such a hard thing to say? "We'll definitely look into it" is weak sauce. It's as gay as Pence thinking Trump will be given a fair trial by a jury of his peers.

____

Why couldn't Trump have pardoned Trump, along with the J6 people?

Why does DeSantis have to clean up Trump's mess?

Posted by: Blago at August 31, 2023 04:38 PM (wMRY8)

663 You might actually look at the polling for the 2024 primary here. Not discussing 2020 election but this round. Until just recently (and you get a problem when your subgroup sample drops below a certain threshold), higher SES Republican voters skewed toward DeSantis while lower SES skewed toward Trump. The lines converged about a month or two ago but that could be an artifact of dropping DeSantis support.

DeSantis has 7-9% of the vote and is losing in his own state by 20 points… yeah but your right

Posted by: Gonzotx at August 31, 2023 04:39 PM (ozaby)

664 Donald Trump was recorded telling someone to find votes for him. So you're right, not only Dems are dirty.

The problem is there's evidence Trump actually did try to cheat (and just failed on account of his incompetence), not Kemp.

Theo you are delusional. PRESIDENT Trump said find the votes I know they are there

That’s two very different things amd your statement is false

Posted by: Gonzotx at August 31, 2023 04:40 PM (ozaby)

665 " I mean would advise DeSantis to stop embarrassing himself with a flailing campaign that can't possibly win at this point, and go home and prepare for 2028."

yeah, this . . . ."I want so bad to vote for a guy that can beat Biden, but My Trump D.T.'s are so strong, I just gotta have Hair of the Dog."

We're done. There is no 2028, other than perhaps in form. Electoral College will be gone.

Just take a little trip over to Michigan's local news now that the court has been flipped. Straight up judicial coup and the left isn't even pretending to hide it.

When that filibuster is gone in January of 2025, I can at least take a small joy in the fact that Trump is being rogered with a miniature Trump jet.

Posted by: MarleysGhost at August 31, 2023 04:42 PM (uxXx0)

666 Posted by: Gonzotx at August 31, 2023 04:40 PM (ozaby)

No, it is the same thing, and if a Democrat were caught doing what Loser Trump did, you'd be screaming for their head.

You want to cite primary polls? Okay. I'll just mention polls showing that a majority of Americans think Trump is guilty and should be thrown in prison.

You think your "Oh, Trump wasn't telling them to cheat, he was on the up-and-up telling them to 'find' votes!" schtick will work with Middle America, which already hates Trump to the point of wanting him to die in prison?

Posted by: Theo at August 31, 2023 04:44 PM (0p/Tu)

667 376 360 meatball supporters believe in
A that if we get rid of Trump, the left hate machine will stand down and not just change coordinates
B the left will cheat less
this is the textbook definition of stoopid
Posted by: REDACTED at August 31, 2023 03:43 PM (us2H3)"
"And your comment was a textbook example of a straw-man argument.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 31, 2023 03:47 PM (lQONO)"
"604 Skip the white knighting and tell us the answer, dildo.
Will dumping Trump buy us mercy from the commies?"
"Speaking of straw-man arguments.
That is a stupid supposition, and has nothing to do with the conversation.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 31, 2023 04:17 PM (lQONO)"

Really?! I thought the lack of reading comp was only a leftist trait..

Posted by: VAR1ABLE at August 31, 2023 04:44 PM (Hd1+B)

668 Having a hard time supporting someone who thinks he did no wrong in turning the country over to Fauci, Brix, Wray, Pence, Ruby Ridge Barr, Mrs. Mitch McConnell, Mattis, Milley, Etc. All while forcing lockdowns, ramming through an almost untested vax, allowing rioters to rampage, allowing illegal mail ballots to be sent without throwing people in jail, etc. Now making the same promises made last time around, but I’m sure he means it this time. Where my mutha fucken wall??

Posted by: greg at August 31, 2023 04:50 PM (KtqAF)

669 Posted by: greg at August 31, 2023 04:50 PM (KtqAF)

Sorry, none of that matters. It's all about one billionaire corrupt politician who the entire country must suffer for. Don't ask questions.

Posted by: Theo at August 31, 2023 04:51 PM (0p/Tu)

670 Okay Ace. I can't speak for my President, Donald J Trump but I'll put this forward on behalf of his ardent supporters. It's your choice whether to accept it or not.
I don't think Trump has made a statement about the Jacksonville shooting because all the focus in the past 48 hours has been turned to the storm hitting Florida. So there's that and I think that Governor Desantis has thick enough skin to handle the nonsensical rantings of the leftwing media and their rental protestors. He has done his job and shown up and tried to handle it properly. And now he's taking care of the damage from the storm. Trump doesn't have to speak up for him. He's doing fine and DJT is being respectful by staying out of his way.
That's my take.
And I think some people booing and hissing Desantis at Jacksonville showed what asses they are, so they did themselves no favors. Lastly, a little booing doesn't compare to being railroaded into court on B.S. charges just to eliminate a political enemy. Again, my take.

Peace for the moment, gentlemen!

Posted by: Tracy at August 31, 2023 05:18 PM (aZKD/)

671 Posted by: Theo at August 31, 2023 04:51 PM (0p/Tu)

you asked upthread: how did the demorats cheat/steal the 2020 election?

A few days after the Nov 8 election, while ballots were still coming in, ace did a post showing in real time how the election was being stolen. I distinctly recall, the first line of the post was:

:"they're stealing the election".

so that's a start if you're really interested. All the AoS posts are archived, you can access them in the sidebar.

Posted by: kallisto, always happy to assist at August 31, 2023 05:36 PM (8ON7U)

672 As a Trump voter, I wish great success to the Governor of Florida being Governor of Florida. Having sucked up to the donor class has resulted in the vast chasm, in the polls, of 60+ points between the contender and the googly eyed, giddy gaggle of pretenders.They are not in Trump's league.

Posted by: Augusto Perez at August 31, 2023 05:40 PM (zZHFH)

673 Trumpservatives: "Anyone who challenges my thinking is my political enemy!"

Posted by: insurgens ad opus at August 31, 2023 06:02 PM (E1op6)

674 Ah, I knew you'd come around...Now that we fully agree on Orange Man I'll assume I can appropriate some of these sick burns to insult his cultist fanbois...See you on the cruise! Toot, toot!

Posted by: Jonah Goldberg at August 31, 2023 06:03 PM (nfyTY)

675 They are not in Trump's league.

Posted by: Augusto Perez at August 31, 2023 05:40 PM (zZHFH)

You're right: None of them lost an election to Joe Biden, surely putting Trump in a league of his own.

you asked upthread: how did the demorats cheat/steal the 2020 election?

A few days after the Nov 8 election, while ballots were still coming in, ace did a post showing in real time how the election was being stolen. I distinctly recall, the first line of the post was:

:"they're stealing the election".

so that's a start if you're really interested. All the AoS posts are archived, you can access them in the sidebar.

Posted by: kallisto, always happy to assist at August 31, 2023 05:36 PM (8ON7U)

Thanks, but my question was more "If Trump could not stop it in 2020 as president, why expect him to win in 2024 as a private citizen?"

Posted by: Theo at August 31, 2023 06:35 PM (8ZX5R)

676 Ace, what are you smoking? Ultra Mega MAGA Deplorables, and probably Mean Bad Orange Man, would be fine with DeSanctis, if he'd waited to 2028.

But he listened to the siren song of the Donor Class, and had barely been sworn into his second term. In the process, he stabbed The Don in the back. In so doing, he revealed he's a child of GOP, Inc's deep pockets Now his campaign is on the rocks. Trump is responsible for getting him across the finish line in 2018, against that Jacksonville prevert and felon.

Ultra Mega MAGA never forgets, and never forgives. If DeSanctis is shoe-horned in as the nominee at the convention. The Deplorables will stay home on election (fraud) day. Not all, but enough.

DeSanctis is a good governor, too bad he got greedy. Now he'll never be president. Not in 2024, or 2028.

You're mad because you know it's true.

Posted by: Born Free at August 31, 2023 06:57 PM (6kqgf)

677 Desantis, the guys biggest donor , is former Obama bundler, Ryan supporter and Romney financier Ken Giriffin….but Desantis isn’t a RINO globalist. Lol

Posted by: Bret at August 31, 2023 09:33 PM (VelXf)

678 And Trump installed Ryan as Speaker and Romney as head of RNC.

Posted by: greg at August 31, 2023 09:44 PM (KtqAF)

679 Has Trump promised to pardon J6ers yet, or is he still grabbing his ankles for McConnell? If not, you’ll have to get back to me about backstabbing.

Posted by: greg at August 31, 2023 09:54 PM (KtqAF)

680 "No I'll call him Trump, fanboi cultist bitch faggot. He lost the election and he'll lose the next one too."

Then he'll go to jail with no one to pardon him and you'll cry and say it was MY fault for warning you he would lose."

And Trump is the only one risking his wealth and freedom, buddy. Chew on that one for a while. You aren't.

Your beloved 'republican establishment' are the ones who lost the election(s)(2018, 2020, 2022), buddy.

Raffensperger and Kemp are working with Zuckerberg's CEIR, which means you as well, sir.

Posted by: Danimal28 at August 31, 2023 10:27 PM (ryUqI)

681 Brian Kemp just came out in support of Fani Willis.

This cannot be unseen. Kemp is globalist asshole working against us growing the food and making the parts.

Again, Trump is risking his wealth and freedom and you aren't. Same with globalist Kemp.

Posted by: Danimal28 at August 31, 2023 10:33 PM (ryUqI)

682 Trump has done nothing but lose, lose, lose since 2017, and so many of y’all think he deserves respect? For what? Failing every task? “But he was cheated!” Yeah that was the game and he LOST IT, had an administration riddled with moles, hired flakes and weirdos as his lawyers, and whined for years, and accomplished nothing. I wouldn’t hire him to run an Arby’s at this point, let alone the country, he’s gassed. Dude just expects loyalty for having produced no results. You can credit him with making the GOP finally have to pay attention to immigration, but at this point he’s just dragging the agenda down with him.

Posted by: Cjw at August 31, 2023 11:17 PM (AtWrV)

683 Hey greg,

Just an FYI.
President Trump didn't install Paul Ryan as House Speaker, the Republican Caucus in the House did.

Might want to learn a bit about the division of the government branches, friend.

Posted by: Tracy at September 01, 2023 12:35 AM (aZKD/)

684 Pretty funny watching Desantis supporters pretend Desantis would get 60 million votes after calling most republican voters Listless Vessels.

Meanwhile Trump got 75 million votes and you can't figure out why.

The Democrats wouldn't even have to cheat to beat Desantis. Only people who want democrats to win support Desantis.

Posted by: Achilles at September 01, 2023 02:41 AM (bzsXQ)

685 "No I'll call him Trump, fanboi cultist bitch faggot. He lost the election and he'll lose the next one too."

Then he'll go to jail with no one to pardon him and you'll cry and say it was MY fault for warning you he would lose."

Trump is a better, braver and more courageous person than you are. It is pretty sick when you and the Desantis campaign are siding with the Biden DOJ.

If Desantis wanted to get republican voters to like him he shouldn't have hired Ed Rollins and Jeff Roe. He could also refrain from shitting on republican voters.

But it is pretty obvious by now that Ron Desantis is mediocre at best and has been propped up by handlers from the start. It is also becoming clear that people that support Desantis just want to lose with mah principles.

Posted by: Achilles at September 01, 2023 02:46 AM (bzsXQ)

686 >>> President Trump didn't install Paul Ryan as House Speaker, the Republican Caucus in the House did.

Might want to learn a bit about the division of the government branches, friend.
Posted by: Tracy at September 01, 2023 12:35 AM (aZKD/)

Doy. His backing made it happen, genius.

Posted by: greg at September 01, 2023 07:29 AM (KtqAF)

687 Trump isn’t president because he’s a coward. If he weren’t scared of a cold, we wouldn’t have had illegal mail in ballots, wouldn’t have had lockdowns, and wouldn’t have had summer of rage. We also wouldn’t have had vax mandates.

And, J6ers didn’t get their pardons and are in the gulag because Trump is scared of McConnell.

Posted by: greg at September 01, 2023 07:38 AM (KtqAF)

688 Posted by: Achilles at September 01, 2023 02:46 AM (bzsXQ)

Trump told the crowd on January 6 to march and he'd be right with them - then retired to the WH as they rioted to watch the chaos unfold, insulating himself from the disaster he caused. He also set up Mike Pence by lying Pence could flip a switch and change the election results, resulting in the mob screaming for Pence's head when Pence didn't go along with that fantasy.

That's the most cowardly action any president has taken in my lifetime. Trump is pure cowardice. When it comes to actual fights, not social media beefs, he runs away and can't capitulate fast enough.

Pretty rich to denigrate any other Republican when Trump got butchered by Joe Fucking Biden. "It is also becoming clear that people that support Desantis just want to lose with mah principles."

Trump already did lose, big boy. And his bootlickers flat-out admit he'll lose in 2024 too.

Posted by: Theo at September 01, 2023 08:15 AM (7h8Te)

689 "MAGAs don’t care about real wins. They’re so detached from reality, they see losses as wins, and those fake wins are as real to them as actual wins. Indeed, the fake wins are better, because in an actual win, you have to start governing, which usually leads to compromise. With imaginary wins, like Trump 2020 or Kari Lake 2022, the 'administration' can’t err because it’s fantasy.

Trump’s first term was marred by compromise and failure. But his second, imaginary term is going just great! And that’s where MAGAs choose to live. Like nerds who prefer anime women over real ones, because imaginary girlfriends never argue or need to be fed or express dissatisfaction with your sexual performance, MAGAs are happier with a fake winner like Lake. She’s the perfect governor because 'Governor Lake' exists in an opium dream."

Go ahead and argue that doesn't characterize the Trump bootlicking here. DeSantis wins, so he's in cahoots with the Deep State, and thus bad. Trump loses, so he was cheated, therefore good.

Posted by: Theo at September 01, 2023 08:20 AM (7h8Te)

690 “What people need to fall asleep is something just interesting enough that they listen to it instead of thinking (thinking is a sleep-killer) but not so interesting that they are actually roused to follow it closely.”

I’ve found Spencer klavan’s “young heretics” podcast works well for that, or the good old boyz when they’re just riffing on familiar themes

Posted by: Knemon at September 01, 2023 11:09 AM (M+3kt)

691 "674 Ah, I knew you'd come around...Now that we fully agree on Orange Man I'll assume I can appropriate some of these sick burns to insult his cultist fanbois...See you on the cruise! Toot, toot!

Posted by: Jonah Goldberg at August 31, 2023 06:03 PM (nfyTY)"

^THIS
lmfao, well done!

Posted by: VAR1ABLE at September 01, 2023 01:32 PM (Hd1+B)

692 Desantis is never going to be a National Republican Candidate ever. His mask mask removed. The Listeless Vessels, Deplorables, and other undesirable Republican voters will never support him.

If you support Desantis at this point you are on the same Boat as Paul Ryan and Billy Kristol and you hate the majority of Republican voters. If you hate us so much GTFO and go support the democrat. We will replace Romney Republicans 10:1 with working class/minority voters being screwed by the uniparty.

If you support Desantis you are supporting a candidate that attacks us and calls us, actual republican voters, names. Trump hasn't called Desantis supporters names. You are a bunch of whiny sh!ts.

The reason Desantis is in single digits now is because he is a terrible candidate and only losers who want to lose to democrats in the general support him.

Posted by: Achilles at September 01, 2023 02:42 PM (bzsXQ)

693
Go ahead and argue that doesn't characterize the Trump bootlicking here. DeSantis wins, so he's in cahoots with the Deep State, and thus bad. Trump loses, so he was cheated, therefore good.

Posted by: Theo at September 01, 2023 08:20 AM (7h8Te)

I will argue that. You are a dishonest person who cannot deal with what Trump supporters actually say.

Desantis has decided I am a Listless Vessel. Fine. Desantis can FOAD.

It is clear he thinks the same thing about Republican Voters that the Bush clan thinks. I am just glad his mask was removed before he could have wormed his way into a VP slot to be Pence 2.0.

Posted by: Achilles at September 01, 2023 02:46 PM (bzsXQ)

694 Posted by: Achilles at September 01, 2023 02:42 PM (bzsXQ)

So...

Polls showing Trump winning the Republican primary are proof that he's a winner and no one else should be the nominee, but polls showing Biden beating Trump in all swing states and showing that most Americans hate Trump and want him in prison are meaningless? So polls matter or don't they? If they do, Trump shouldn't be our nominee because he's guaranteed to lose to Biden, like he already did. If they don't, then primary polls are meaningless too.

What Trump supporters say is that the whole country can go to hell; all that matters is Trump's ego. Didn't George W. Bush win over Republican voters? So why are you attacking him? Why are you insulting Republican voters, pal?

Posted by: Theo at September 01, 2023 03:24 PM (pDhOr)

695 I will argue that. You are a dishonest person who cannot deal with what Trump supporters actually say.

Posted by: Achilles at September 01, 2023 02:46 PM (bzsXQ)

That is what they actually say. Just in this thread alone, you will see them argue that DeSantis (and Kemp, and others) winning elections is "proof" that they're in on the Deep State conspiracy to make Trump look bad.

Trump has already lost to Joe Biden. That's not a hypothetical; that's already happened. DeSantis is far more liked among Americans than Trump (actually, literally every other major political figure, including Joe Biden, is more liked than Trump is).

Trump was overwhelmingly crushed by an awful, *awful* candidate, and his bootlickers are giving lectures on how he's the only one who can win. This is like Todd Akin smugly explaining post-2012 why he's the only Republican who can win hard races, and other Republicans don't have what it takes.

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