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Wednesday Morning Rant
The purpose of the rules laid down in such great volume for so long a time is to obviate thinking. You don't need to think if there's a rule to cover whatever it is you need to do. Follow the rules, comply with the procedures, adhere to the regulations and you will achieve your goal or at least be shielded from any poor consequences. Nobody is to blame, because the rules were followed. The rules are there to act as a substitute for thinking. Robotic adherence to the rules - and striving to have a rule for all things - is awfully bad in situations that even slightly deviate from the context envisioned by the rulemakers.
The water situation in the Maui fire response is, I think, an unfortunately spot-on example. Why did the local authority on Maui call Honolulu for permission? Because the rules said it needed to. Why did Honolulu allegedly keep Maui waiting for five hours? They were busy, I'm sure. And the rules permitted it. Why didn't the local incident commander or similar grab the water guy by the lapels and tell him to get the damned water flowing or else, and pick up the pieces later? That would be against the rules. Why didn't they use the emergency sirens? No rule for that, not for a fire. The rules are for tsunami warnings. No rule, no action. Everyone apparently followed the rules. If the rumors that kids were sent home from school into the path of the blaze because of high winds or that firefighters left the scene before the fire was fully quelled are true, there were probably rules for that, too. Maui isn't the only example. The Flint, MI municipal water disaster is another. Flint wanted to change the water source to reduce costs. Both water sources were safe. The chemistry was a bit different between the two sources, but both were fine and complied with safety and quality standards. All of the regulations were satisfied. All the rules were met. But nobody thought about it. They were ticking boxes, not thinking about whether the difference in acidity would cause built-up scale in the pipes to release and expose the water supply to lead. There was no rule for that, and disaster followed. The world is a complicated place and it is impossible to have a rule - or set of rules, or set of sets of rules ad infinitum - that will cover all conditions. But bureaucracy runs on rules and metes out reprisals for breaking them - even if breaking a rule or deciding not to proceed despite the rules saying you can would be the single best thing to do. Rule-following is in the organizational DNA at all levels, and it has made thought redundant. And box-ticking is a poor substitute for thinking.Comments
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Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 23, 2023 11:01 AM (xTRSc)
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Yessss!!!
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 23, 2023 11:01 AM (xTRSc)
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hiya
Posted by: JT at August 23, 2023 11:02 AM (T4tVD)
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Hiya Mannix !
Posted by: JT at August 23, 2023 11:02 AM (T4tVD)
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Hiya, JT!
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 23, 2023 11:02 AM (t0OGg)
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Good nood Bulgy.
Posted by: From about That Time at August 23, 2023 11:04 AM (4780s)
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Rules for thee, not for me!
Posted by: Pete Bog at August 23, 2023 11:04 AM (zGQ50)
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Anyone have New York relatives?
@jihadwatchRS 5s
Biden Regime State Department Makes No Mention of 9/11 on International Day of Remembrance for Terror Victims -
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Biden Regime State Department Makes No Mention of 9/11 on International Day of Remembrance for Terror Victims -
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 23, 2023 11:04 AM (IG4Id)
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Leftards don't think. Prerequisite for being a leftard.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at August 23, 2023 11:04 AM (pohLc)
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I think the primary purpose is to remove responsibility from the system.
Posted by: Thesokorus at August 23, 2023 11:04 AM (/tTUc)
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There's a reason why even an hierarchical organization like the military stresses that the officers and NCOs must be able to act with initiative. Well, at least they used to.
The Russian army doesn't, and the results speak for themselves.
The Russian army doesn't, and the results speak for themselves.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 23, 2023 11:04 AM (I/Qkd)
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Thinking as a habit is being conditioned out of us all, unfortunately the kids are getting an early start. But, hell, why think when the experts tell you what to do, authorities tell you it's safe and effective, the science is settled, etc.
This will make it easy to line all of us cattle into the slaughter chutes.
This will make it easy to line all of us cattle into the slaughter chutes.
Posted by: She Hobbit (out and about in Middle Earth) at August 23, 2023 11:04 AM (Mu4e+)
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They voted for Biden. This is what they get.
Posted by: Jimco Industries at August 23, 2023 11:05 AM (DKNqL)
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But nobody thought about it.
nobody thinks about anything unless you own your own business and your income depends on your innate creativity and ability to think on your feet
these disasters involve municipal utility management. Those offices are occupied by a population of drones, not thinkers.
nobody thinks about anything unless you own your own business and your income depends on your innate creativity and ability to think on your feet
these disasters involve municipal utility management. Those offices are occupied by a population of drones, not thinkers.
Posted by: kallisto at August 23, 2023 11:05 AM (LIf6Z)
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>>The world is a complicated place and it is impossible to have a rule - or set of rules, or set of sets of rules ad infinitum - that will cover all conditions. But bureaucracy runs on rules and metes out reprisals for breaking them - even if breaking a rule or deciding not to proceed despite the rules saying you can would be the single best thing to do. Rule-following is in the organizational DNA at all levels, and it has made thought redundant.
Rules are how bureaucrats escape responsibility.
"Sorry people have died, but it wasn't my call - I had these rules."
We now have political leaders and bureaucrats who are unwilling and likely incapable of acting fast, reacting to emergencies with speed and creativity. Paper-pushing a$$-coverers, who are more interested in pursuing their activist agenda (see Maui water commissioner) than actually doing their dang jobs!
Rules are how bureaucrats escape responsibility.
"Sorry people have died, but it wasn't my call - I had these rules."
We now have political leaders and bureaucrats who are unwilling and likely incapable of acting fast, reacting to emergencies with speed and creativity. Paper-pushing a$$-coverers, who are more interested in pursuing their activist agenda (see Maui water commissioner) than actually doing their dang jobs!
Posted by: Lizzy at August 23, 2023 11:05 AM (avru5)
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nothing wrong with a good box ticking...
Posted by: SturmToddler at August 23, 2023 11:05 AM (nXhwP)
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 23, 2023 11:05 AM (xTRSc)
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As the details about the disastrous Maui fire continue to unfold, many people are left wondering how the hell a foul-up this spectacular is possible. How did everything go so wrong at every level of the response? Why did Maui have to wait for water authorization?
We don't use water. We revere it for it's life giving properties.
How? By hiring new age fucking whackos. That's how.
You want to worship "crystals" or any other whacked shit for healing properties? That's fine. But don't push your bullshit onto other people. And the water resources guy did.
We don't use water. We revere it for it's life giving properties.
How? By hiring new age fucking whackos. That's how.
You want to worship "crystals" or any other whacked shit for healing properties? That's fine. But don't push your bullshit onto other people. And the water resources guy did.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 23, 2023 11:05 AM (Nfan7)
Posted by: Thesokorus at August 23, 2023 11:05 AM (/tTUc)
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The most perplexing Maui horror is the police keeping residents INSIDE the fire zone. Who could possibly think it was wise to prevent people from fleeing the fires? And why did the cops go along with it? What the hell.
Posted by: PJ at August 23, 2023 11:05 AM (G1dq6)
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Rules are how bureaucrats escape responsibility.
"Sorry people have died, but it wasn't my call - I had these rules."
We now have political leaders and bureaucrats who are unwilling and likely incapable of acting fast, reacting to emergencies with speed and creativity. Paper-pushing a$$-coverers, who are more interested in pursuing their activist agenda (see Maui water commissioner) than actually doing their dang jobs!
Posted by: Lizzy at August 23, 2023 11:05 AM (avru5)
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Right. It is both a sword and a shield.
"Sorry people have died, but it wasn't my call - I had these rules."
We now have political leaders and bureaucrats who are unwilling and likely incapable of acting fast, reacting to emergencies with speed and creativity. Paper-pushing a$$-coverers, who are more interested in pursuing their activist agenda (see Maui water commissioner) than actually doing their dang jobs!
Posted by: Lizzy at August 23, 2023 11:05 AM (avru5)
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Right. It is both a sword and a shield.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 23, 2023 11:06 AM (t0OGg)
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About the sirens I read that they are tsunami so everyone most likely would have headed toward the fires. That may very well be legitimate.
Posted by: Earl Schlobodowicz at August 23, 2023 11:06 AM (P7Iz+)
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And box-ticking is a poor substitute for thinking.
True, but tick boxing is the spectator sport of the future!
True, but tick boxing is the spectator sport of the future!
Posted by: Battle Bugs, Bitchez! at August 23, 2023 11:06 AM (fhX0j)
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Hey, I'm in it for the power I can wield, not the responsibility, dude!
Posted by: Bureaucrats everywhere at August 23, 2023 11:06 AM (avru5)
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Just like leftards reflexively checking the "D" box at every election. No thinking. Mentally lazy as fuck. I hate and despise them BTW.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at August 23, 2023 11:06 AM (pohLc)
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The awesome efficiency of coordinated government effort. Do you think it's easy to kill 1000 people??
Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at August 23, 2023 11:07 AM (flINI)
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At work a week or two ago, we needed parts immediately for a time-sensitive repair. Rules in place: you have to get the signoff first, but we did it backwards because of the time constraint. The gal responsible for the parts was a little miffed she wasn't consulted, but said, "I'm all for the rules, but I'm okay bending them if needed. Just let me know first".
Mostly good people there.
Mostly good people there.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 23, 2023 11:07 AM (ynpvh)
Posted by: Captain Barbosa at August 23, 2023 11:07 AM (Mu4e+)
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About the sirens I read that they are tsunami so everyone most likely would have headed toward the fires. That may very well be legitimate.
Posted by: Earl Schlobodowicz at August 23, 2023 11:06 AM (P7Iz+)
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It might be. That entire discussion strikes me as coming up with an answer after the fact. Did that argument happen during the incident? I don't know, but I doubt it.
Posted by: Earl Schlobodowicz at August 23, 2023 11:06 AM (P7Iz+)
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It might be. That entire discussion strikes me as coming up with an answer after the fact. Did that argument happen during the incident? I don't know, but I doubt it.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 23, 2023 11:07 AM (t0OGg)
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Obey the protocol ... is what got doctors to refuse early treatment of Covid. They didn't want to lose hospital privileges. But that protocol had evil intent ... it was not just administrative rule bloat.
I'd guess the same is true of Global Warming lies, and probably the fires around Canada/USA, and maybe in Maui as well. There is an overall WEF/China alliance against Liberty and America as we know it. It can no longer be denied
(if it ever could be denied without "normalcy bias" and "cognitive dissonance", going back to "McCarthyism" ... or perhaps going back to Lincoln destroying States' Sovereign Rights)
I'd guess the same is true of Global Warming lies, and probably the fires around Canada/USA, and maybe in Maui as well. There is an overall WEF/China alliance against Liberty and America as we know it. It can no longer be denied
(if it ever could be denied without "normalcy bias" and "cognitive dissonance", going back to "McCarthyism" ... or perhaps going back to Lincoln destroying States' Sovereign Rights)
Posted by: illiniwek at August 23, 2023 11:07 AM (Cus5s)
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26 The awesome efficiency of coordinated government effort. Do you think it's easy to kill 1000 people??
Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at August 23, 2023 11:07 AM (flINI)
Certain Communist and Socialist regimes sure made it look that way; they were very efficient at it.
Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at August 23, 2023 11:07 AM (flINI)
Certain Communist and Socialist regimes sure made it look that way; they were very efficient at it.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 23, 2023 11:08 AM (ynpvh)
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We don't use water. We revere it for it's life giving properties.
That’s wrong. Revering water for its life-giving properties implies that water has a use and that use is to sustain people. That’s deplorable thinking. It’s the same mindset as that of slaveholders.
There is no reason to elevate the needs of people over the needs of water. Both have equal rights.
That’s wrong. Revering water for its life-giving properties implies that water has a use and that use is to sustain people. That’s deplorable thinking. It’s the same mindset as that of slaveholders.
There is no reason to elevate the needs of people over the needs of water. Both have equal rights.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 23, 2023 11:08 AM (EXyHK)
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The sirens were to be sounded in ANY emergency, not just a fucking tidal wave. That excuse is bullshit.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at August 23, 2023 11:08 AM (pohLc)
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I have heard Maui residents say the sirens were for every emergency. So I am not buying the reasoning of why they weren't turned on.
But nobody thought about it.
But nobody thought about it.
Posted by: PJ at August 23, 2023 11:08 AM (G1dq6)
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I think the primary purpose is to remove responsibility from the system.
hell to the yeah
we have a new boss who doesn't lead, she wants our opinion on almost every move she makes. I'm thinking, wtf is she doing? Hasn't she noticed that some of my coworkers are barely competent? Then it dawned on me...oh, she wants to be able to say her "improvement" was somebody else's idea if her boss doesn't like what she's doing.
hell to the yeah
we have a new boss who doesn't lead, she wants our opinion on almost every move she makes. I'm thinking, wtf is she doing? Hasn't she noticed that some of my coworkers are barely competent? Then it dawned on me...oh, she wants to be able to say her "improvement" was somebody else's idea if her boss doesn't like what she's doing.
Posted by: kallisto at August 23, 2023 11:08 AM (LIf6Z)
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I think the primary purpose is to remove responsibility from the system.
Posted by: Thesokorus at August 23, 2023 11:04 AM (/tTUc)
If sinners don't feel fairly immediate consequences to their sin, they are unlikely to recognize a problem, much less repent.
Which is why progressives are all about pushing "safety nets."
Posted by: Thesokorus at August 23, 2023 11:04 AM (/tTUc)
If sinners don't feel fairly immediate consequences to their sin, they are unlikely to recognize a problem, much less repent.
Which is why progressives are all about pushing "safety nets."
Posted by: Methos at August 23, 2023 11:08 AM (Dnobf)
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The hits just keep on coming.
Former College Basketball Star Reggie Chaney Dies Suddenly At 23
South Florida High School Football Player Timothy Burroughs-Love Suffers Cardiac Arrest
Former College Basketball Star Reggie Chaney Dies Suddenly At 23
South Florida High School Football Player Timothy Burroughs-Love Suffers Cardiac Arrest
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 23, 2023 11:08 AM (FVME7)
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... True, but tick boxing is the spectator sport of the future!
Posted by: Battle Bugs, Bitchez! at August 23, 2023 11:06 AM (fhX0j)
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LOL.
Gonna need one hell of a macro lens.
Posted by: Battle Bugs, Bitchez! at August 23, 2023 11:06 AM (fhX0j)
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LOL.
Gonna need one hell of a macro lens.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 23, 2023 11:08 AM (t0OGg)
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The world is a complicated place and it is impossible to have a rule - or set of rules, or set of sets of rules ad infinitum - that will cover all conditions.
This is the very thing which TPTB fail to understand and it is why AI will always fail because it is NOT intelligent. It will work wonders right up to the point where it encounters something novel and then it is likely to fail spectacularly.
If the rumors that kids were sent home from school into the path of the blaze...
I'm not trying to start any conspiracy theories but, unless they find remains, I will always wonder if the fire wasn't orchestrated to cover the disappearance of the children. Hence the FBI "investigation".
This is the very thing which TPTB fail to understand and it is why AI will always fail because it is NOT intelligent. It will work wonders right up to the point where it encounters something novel and then it is likely to fail spectacularly.
If the rumors that kids were sent home from school into the path of the blaze...
I'm not trying to start any conspiracy theories but, unless they find remains, I will always wonder if the fire wasn't orchestrated to cover the disappearance of the children. Hence the FBI "investigation".
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at August 23, 2023 11:08 AM (zhLdt)
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My sympathy only goes to to the 35% of Maui people who did not vote for this shit.
The rest can go fuck themselves
The rest can go fuck themselves
Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - Longing to Lie in Zooey Deschanel's Bosom for Comfort at August 23, 2023 11:08 AM (VTu1l)
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Government was designed by geniuses to be run by idiots. The rules are there so no one has to think, because thinking men don’t want to govern. They have to be compelled to do it. It’s a problem as old as Aristotle.
Posted by: Lordcsmith at August 23, 2023 11:09 AM (vOcB6)
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Ayn Rand called this problem many decades ago. She may have been really strange, but here she was right on the money.
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Gringo fuertemente armado-Tempus belli) at August 23, 2023 11:09 AM (l7Kbv)
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My old boss was in the habit of doing it first, and asking permission later. It usually worked, but sometimes he'd get a spanking. He didn't care. His priority was making things easier for his subordinates.
For some reason, he was the most popular division head we ever had.
For some reason, he was the most popular division head we ever had.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 23, 2023 11:09 AM (I/Qkd)
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>>About the sirens I read that they are tsunami so everyone most likely would have headed toward the fires. That may very well be legitimate.
1st, what sirens were used during that incoming attack snafu a few years back?
2nd, I've read they have one tsunami every 30+ years, so it's short-sighted to have a system in place and almost never use it. I would bet if they had used the sirens it would have alerted people to check internet/tv/radio where they would quickly learn it was about fires.
1st, what sirens were used during that incoming attack snafu a few years back?
2nd, I've read they have one tsunami every 30+ years, so it's short-sighted to have a system in place and almost never use it. I would bet if they had used the sirens it would have alerted people to check internet/tv/radio where they would quickly learn it was about fires.
Posted by: Lizzy at August 23, 2023 11:09 AM (avru5)
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29 About the sirens I read that they are tsunami so everyone most likely would have headed toward the fires. That may very well be legitimate.
Posted by: Earl Schlobodowicz at August 23, 2023 11:06 AM (P7Iz+)
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It might be. That entire discussion strikes me as coming up with an answer after the fact. Did that argument happen during the incident? I don't know, but I doubt it.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 23, 2023 11:07 AM (t0OGg)
Article in Morning Report said they were for a variety of things, including fire. So if they worry was, "Well, they'll think it's a tsunami warning an run INTO the fires!", well, the alarms were for more than just Tsunamis and air raids.
Posted by: Earl Schlobodowicz at August 23, 2023 11:06 AM (P7Iz+)
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It might be. That entire discussion strikes me as coming up with an answer after the fact. Did that argument happen during the incident? I don't know, but I doubt it.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 23, 2023 11:07 AM (t0OGg)
Article in Morning Report said they were for a variety of things, including fire. So if they worry was, "Well, they'll think it's a tsunami warning an run INTO the fires!", well, the alarms were for more than just Tsunamis and air raids.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 23, 2023 11:09 AM (ynpvh)
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I agree but I'll add two more points: (1) I'm not as confident as you are that rules were followed. I'll bet they were making this up as they went along.
(2) Wtf were the PEOPLE thinking?? The island is burning, people are being roasted alive, and everyone is just like "oh well, we asked for water and they said no. We could leave town, but too bad a police car is blocking the only road out. I guess we'll just have to sit here and die."
Where the fuck was all the self-preservation? Where were all the riots as people tried to escape certain death? The people of Maui seem to be so brainwashed and broken that they meekly accepted their fate without question. It seems that nobody -- not one fucking person -- said "fuck this, I'm gonna do what I have to do to survive. Get the fuck out of my way."
(2) Wtf were the PEOPLE thinking?? The island is burning, people are being roasted alive, and everyone is just like "oh well, we asked for water and they said no. We could leave town, but too bad a police car is blocking the only road out. I guess we'll just have to sit here and die."
Where the fuck was all the self-preservation? Where were all the riots as people tried to escape certain death? The people of Maui seem to be so brainwashed and broken that they meekly accepted their fate without question. It seems that nobody -- not one fucking person -- said "fuck this, I'm gonna do what I have to do to survive. Get the fuck out of my way."
Posted by: Elric Blade at August 23, 2023 11:09 AM (iFTx/)
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If the fire was burning at a temperature of 1200-1400 degrees F, there really is nowhere to go. Even swimming out will not likely get you far enough away from the heat. Your lungs will be scorched. Truly a hell hole. Basically, a Dresden on a small scale.
Posted by: Puddinhead at August 23, 2023 11:09 AM (sVfvf)
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AI will always fail because it is NOT intelligent
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AI has the appearance of intelligence because it behaves more coherently than the left.
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AI has the appearance of intelligence because it behaves more coherently than the left.
Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - Longing to Lie in Zooey Deschanel's Bosom for Comfort at August 23, 2023 11:10 AM (VTu1l)
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There's a reason why even an hierarchical organization like the military stresses that the officers and NCOs must be able to act with initiative. Well, at least they used to.
The Russian army doesn't, and the results speak for themselves.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 23, 2023 11:04 AM (I/Qkd)
Are the Ukes marching on Moscow again?
The Russian army doesn't, and the results speak for themselves.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 23, 2023 11:04 AM (I/Qkd)
Are the Ukes marching on Moscow again?
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at August 23, 2023 11:10 AM (zhLdt)
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From the last thread: Regarding Indian food, yes, I've eaten it, and was resolutely unimpressed. Spicy can be had a lot of different ways.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at August 23, 2023 11:10 AM (J2vNu)
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"The purpose of the rules laid down in such great volume for so long a time is to obviate thinking. You don't need to think if there's a rule to cover whatever it is you need to do. Follow the rules, comply with the procedures, adhere to the regulations and you will achieve your goal or at least be shielded from any poor consequences. Nobody is to blame, because the rules were followed. The rules are there to act as a substitute for thinking. Robotic adherence to the rules - and striving to have a rule for all things - is awfully bad in situations that even slightly deviate from the context envisioned by the rulemakers."
I don't think it's even that thought out. A bunch of rules to produce a certain result consistently is a process. Most rules for organizations are simply accumulations over time(put in place reactively or for some purpose not always relevant), not core processes in producing a product.
Lack of a decisionmaker/leadership (or perhaps lack of an effective one) with authority to make calls on the fly seems to be what was absent here.
I don't think it's even that thought out. A bunch of rules to produce a certain result consistently is a process. Most rules for organizations are simply accumulations over time(put in place reactively or for some purpose not always relevant), not core processes in producing a product.
Lack of a decisionmaker/leadership (or perhaps lack of an effective one) with authority to make calls on the fly seems to be what was absent here.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at August 23, 2023 11:10 AM (eYoxG)
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There's a reason why even an hierarchical organization like the military stresses that the officers and NCOs must be able to act with initiative. Well, at least they used to.
The Russian army doesn't, and the results speak for themselves.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 23, 2023 11:04 AM (I/Qkd)
Well, that was also what the Wehrmacht thought before the Eastern Offensive.
And it was cold comfort to the tankers tasked with "holding" at Fulda.
And hundreds of thousands of dead Ukies were "taught" the same.
"How do these drunk, corrupt incompetents keep winning at War?"
The Russian army doesn't, and the results speak for themselves.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 23, 2023 11:04 AM (I/Qkd)
Well, that was also what the Wehrmacht thought before the Eastern Offensive.
And it was cold comfort to the tankers tasked with "holding" at Fulda.
And hundreds of thousands of dead Ukies were "taught" the same.
"How do these drunk, corrupt incompetents keep winning at War?"
Posted by: Thesokorus at August 23, 2023 11:10 AM (/tTUc)
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The most perplexing Maui horror is the police keeping residents INSIDE the fire zone. Who could possibly think it was wise to prevent people from fleeing the fires? And why did the cops go along with it? What the hell.
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Yeah, because pension warriors just following orders is completely out of the ordinary.
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Yeah, because pension warriors just following orders is completely out of the ordinary.
Posted by: Methos at August 23, 2023 11:11 AM (Dnobf)
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What we saw on Maui were the ramifications of a woke bureaucracy.
The disaster there will be repeated. Whether it's an airliner that augers in because the FAA was more concerned about a low carbon footprint on an airliner in distress, or a bridge engineered with woke math or any other possibilities where leftist dogma is in charge.
The disaster there will be repeated. Whether it's an airliner that augers in because the FAA was more concerned about a low carbon footprint on an airliner in distress, or a bridge engineered with woke math or any other possibilities where leftist dogma is in charge.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 23, 2023 11:11 AM (Q4IgG)
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What apparently nobody did, however, was the single most important thing: think.
A very good trauma physician once told me if you only have 10 secs to act, spend seven of them thinking.
A very good trauma physician once told me if you only have 10 secs to act, spend seven of them thinking.
Posted by: Tonypete at August 23, 2023 11:11 AM (x7plP)
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It can be lunch time
Posted by: Skip at August 23, 2023 11:11 AM (o3Rrr)
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47 If the fire was burning at a temperature of 1200-1400 degrees F, there really is nowhere to go. Even swimming out will not likely get you far enough away from the heat. Your lungs will be scorched. Truly a hell hole. Basically, a Dresden on a small scale.
Posted by: Puddinhead at August 23, 2023 11:09 AM (sVfvf)
We had people try to save themselves in their pools here in 2017 fire and they died.. Like Hawaii it came so fast..
Posted by: Puddinhead at August 23, 2023 11:09 AM (sVfvf)
We had people try to save themselves in their pools here in 2017 fire and they died.. Like Hawaii it came so fast..
Posted by: It's me donna at August 23, 2023 11:11 AM (bs+z0)
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Developers will make out like bandits on this
Posted by: brak at August 23, 2023 11:12 AM (BouGb)
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Where the fuck was all the self-preservation? Where were all the riots as people tried to escape certain death? The people of Maui seem to be so brainwashed and broken that they meekly accepted their fate without question. It seems that nobody -- not one fucking person -- said "fuck this, I'm gonna do what I have to do to survive. Get the fuck out of my way."
Posted by: Elric Blade at August 23, 2023 11:09 AM (iFTx/)
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Compliance has been beaten into people repeatedly for years on end.
Posted by: Elric Blade at August 23, 2023 11:09 AM (iFTx/)
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Compliance has been beaten into people repeatedly for years on end.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 23, 2023 11:12 AM (t0OGg)
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It's good to be king.
America’s Wealthy Elites Are Responsible for 40% of Emissions While Lecturing the Rest of Us on Climate Change
America’s Wealthy Elites Are Responsible for 40% of Emissions While Lecturing the Rest of Us on Climate Change
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 23, 2023 11:12 AM (FVME7)
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(1) I'm not as confident as you are that rules were followed. I'll bet they were making this up as they went along.
>>> I'm confident every eye was dotted and every tee crossed wrt avoiding responsibility.
>>> I'm confident every eye was dotted and every tee crossed wrt avoiding responsibility.
Posted by: Thesokorus at August 23, 2023 11:12 AM (/tTUc)
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Alors, il commence.
Posted by: Ce gars qui pense toujours que ça commence. at August 23, 2023 11:12 AM (ScR16)
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Y'know who else demanded compliance?
Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko stuff at August 23, 2023 11:12 AM (xSwrI)
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This is the very thing which TPTB fail to understand and it is why AI will always fail because it is NOT intelligent. It will work wonders right up to the point where it encounters something novel and then it is likely to fail spectacularly.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at August 23, 2023 11:08 AM (zhLdt)
Which can still be potentially useful. Though the expense is substantial and there seems to be limited use-cases where it does things we couldn't do before.
Maybe a software-development aide for first drafts that are then optimized.
This is the very thing which TPTB fail to understand and it is why AI will always fail because it is NOT intelligent. It will work wonders right up to the point where it encounters something novel and then it is likely to fail spectacularly.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at August 23, 2023 11:08 AM (zhLdt)
Which can still be potentially useful. Though the expense is substantial and there seems to be limited use-cases where it does things we couldn't do before.
Maybe a software-development aide for first drafts that are then optimized.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at August 23, 2023 11:13 AM (eYoxG)
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The people of Maui seem to be so brainwashed and broken that they meekly accepted their fate without question.
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That's why the island was so easy to annex.
Hawaiians are very stupid people. Must be all the humidity.
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That's why the island was so easy to annex.
Hawaiians are very stupid people. Must be all the humidity.
Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - Longing to Lie in Zooey Deschanel's Bosom for Comfort at August 23, 2023 11:13 AM (VTu1l)
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I have heard Maui residents say the sirens were for every emergency. So I am not buying the reasoning of why they weren't turned on.
But nobody thought about it.
Posted by: PJ at August 23, 2023 11:08 AM (G1dq6)
Well the residents were wrong. -- Deputy Associate Assistant Director of Siren Usage
But nobody thought about it.
Posted by: PJ at August 23, 2023 11:08 AM (G1dq6)
Well the residents were wrong. -- Deputy Associate Assistant Director of Siren Usage
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at August 23, 2023 11:13 AM (zhLdt)
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Y'know who else demanded compliance?
Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko stuff at August 23, 2023 11:12 AM (xSwrI)
Not Buckaroo Banzai. He earned compliance from the Buckaroos!
Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko stuff at August 23, 2023 11:12 AM (xSwrI)
Not Buckaroo Banzai. He earned compliance from the Buckaroos!
Posted by: Thesokorus at August 23, 2023 11:13 AM (/tTUc)
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Lack of a decisionmaker/leadership (or perhaps lack of an effective one) with authority to make calls on the fly seems to be what was absent here.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at August 23, 2023 11:10 AM (eYoxG)
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Leaders think. In the absence of authority, they will act anyway and deal with the consequences later.
There was not a leader to be found. That's the point of most organizations and the point of virtually every layer of government. They don't want leaders. They don't need them. They have rules. Just follow the runbook.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at August 23, 2023 11:10 AM (eYoxG)
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Leaders think. In the absence of authority, they will act anyway and deal with the consequences later.
There was not a leader to be found. That's the point of most organizations and the point of virtually every layer of government. They don't want leaders. They don't need them. They have rules. Just follow the runbook.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 23, 2023 11:13 AM (t0OGg)
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And why did the cops go along with it? What the hell.
Posted by: PJ
And further, why didn't some man with balls, in the face of mortal danger, act to remove that 'official' impediment to safety - by whatever means necessary?
Posted by: PJ
And further, why didn't some man with balls, in the face of mortal danger, act to remove that 'official' impediment to safety - by whatever means necessary?
Posted by: Tonypete at August 23, 2023 11:14 AM (x7plP)
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America’s Wealthy Elites Are Responsible for 40% of Emissions
Biden does have a reputation for being "windy".
Biden does have a reputation for being "windy".
Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko stuff at August 23, 2023 11:14 AM (xSwrI)
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3 My old boss was in the habit of doing it first, and asking permission later. It usually worked, but sometimes he'd get a spanking. He didn't care. His priority was making things easier for his subordinates.
For some reason, he was the most popular division head we ever had.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 23, 2023 11:09 AM (I/Qkd)
I'm genuinely surprised that whoever his bosses were didn't sack him. People in positions of authori-TIE generally don't like when you don't consult them first.
For some reason, he was the most popular division head we ever had.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 23, 2023 11:09 AM (I/Qkd)
I'm genuinely surprised that whoever his bosses were didn't sack him. People in positions of authori-TIE generally don't like when you don't consult them first.
Posted by: I've always been punished, not rewarded, for asking forgiveness instead of permission at August 23, 2023 11:14 AM (fhX0j)
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Can't argue here, Joe. Don't forget the Gold King Mine/Animus River disaster.
When I was in the US Army regulations were for the guidance of the commander, they were not graven in stone on Mt. Sinai. You solved a problem the most efficient way possible.
When I was in the US Army regulations were for the guidance of the commander, they were not graven in stone on Mt. Sinai. You solved a problem the most efficient way possible.
Posted by: Danimal28 at August 23, 2023 11:14 AM (klw0w)
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It's funny how they followed some rules but likely ignored rules on clearing brush or maintaining power lines.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 23, 2023 11:14 AM (KbCG3)
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Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at August 23, 2023 11:10 AM (J2vNu)
most Indian restaurants are the equivalent of eating at a pizza joint and declaring it to be Italian cuisine. If you go to a restaurant that serves Indian cuisine, it's really good. When I was in NH, we dined at an Indian restaurant that was just stellar. The food was nothing like any typical Indian restaurant I"d been to prior.
most Indian restaurants are the equivalent of eating at a pizza joint and declaring it to be Italian cuisine. If you go to a restaurant that serves Indian cuisine, it's really good. When I was in NH, we dined at an Indian restaurant that was just stellar. The food was nothing like any typical Indian restaurant I"d been to prior.
Posted by: kallisto at August 23, 2023 11:15 AM (LIf6Z)
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As much as I loathe Sundowner ( today would be a good day for him to stroke out) it's HawIi offs to toss in a volcano for their idiotic rules
Posted by: Skip at August 23, 2023 11:15 AM (o3Rrr)
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The human brain is the only computer that can be mass-produced by unskilled labor.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 23, 2023 11:15 AM (a3Q+t)
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Hawaiians are very stupid people. Must be all the humidity.
Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - Longing to Lie in Zooey Deschanel's Bosom for Comfort at August 23, 2023 11:13 AM (VTu1l)
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Ain't it the coconuts?
https://youtu.be/nf670orHKcA
Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - Longing to Lie in Zooey Deschanel's Bosom for Comfort at August 23, 2023 11:13 AM (VTu1l)
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Ain't it the coconuts?
https://youtu.be/nf670orHKcA
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at August 23, 2023 11:15 AM (adINt)
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And why did the cops go along with it? What the hell.
Posted by: PJAnd why did the cops go along with it? What the hell.
Posted by: PJ
Man, those next encounters at church are gonna be uncomfortable~! Wait, whut?
Posted by: PJAnd why did the cops go along with it? What the hell.
Posted by: PJ
Man, those next encounters at church are gonna be uncomfortable~! Wait, whut?
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 23, 2023 11:15 AM (IG4Id)
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*Adjusts tin foil hat*
Why did they not release the water, sound the alarm, and block the only escape route? The people whose homes were destroyed would still have a claim to the property...unless they were dead.
Why did they not release the water, sound the alarm, and block the only escape route? The people whose homes were destroyed would still have a claim to the property...unless they were dead.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at August 23, 2023 11:16 AM (u73oe)
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Oh yeah, all just standard government bureaucratic incompetency. Sure, sure.
Or, you know maybe not. Funny how the result here pretty much aligns with the long-term goals of the WEF, billionaires, and government officials who coveted that land.
Or, you know maybe not. Funny how the result here pretty much aligns with the long-term goals of the WEF, billionaires, and government officials who coveted that land.
Posted by: The Guy Who Always Says It's Gonna Get Worse at August 23, 2023 11:16 AM (PWI4f)
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It's funny how they followed some rules but likely ignored rules on clearing brush or maintaining power lines.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 23, 2023 11:14 AM (KbCG3)
Well, some rules have positive career ROI and others don't. Some even have a negative ROI.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 23, 2023 11:14 AM (KbCG3)
Well, some rules have positive career ROI and others don't. Some even have a negative ROI.
Posted by: Thesokorus at August 23, 2023 11:16 AM (/tTUc)
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I'm genuinely surprised that whoever his bosses were didn't sack him. People in positions of authori-TIE generally don't like when you don't consult them first.
Posted by: I've always been punished, not rewarded, for asking forgiveness instead of permission at August 23, 2023 11:14 AM (fhX0j)
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I learned this when I failed every time I tried to work for an electronics retailer (Best Buy, Circuit City, CompUSA - all of them). I failed out during interviews every time. I asked I guy I met who was a Best Buy manager what I was doing wrong. He told me, "never, ever say you might be interested in management at some point. They will see you as a competitor and they won't hire a potential competitor."
Posted by: I've always been punished, not rewarded, for asking forgiveness instead of permission at August 23, 2023 11:14 AM (fhX0j)
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I learned this when I failed every time I tried to work for an electronics retailer (Best Buy, Circuit City, CompUSA - all of them). I failed out during interviews every time. I asked I guy I met who was a Best Buy manager what I was doing wrong. He told me, "never, ever say you might be interested in management at some point. They will see you as a competitor and they won't hire a potential competitor."
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 23, 2023 11:16 AM (t0OGg)
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Y'know who else demanded compliance?
Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko stuff at August 23, 2023
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Every dictator in history?
Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko stuff at August 23, 2023
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Every dictator in history?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at August 23, 2023 11:16 AM (J2vNu)
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Another Rule that is (apparently) not a law. Special Counsels should be independent and not from within government (or within the administration?).
Mueller and his gang of Trump haters, now Weiss who is directly in the administration and already tried to arrange an all encompassing pass for all laws broken for Hunter ... they pick the most biased possible, same with Craze Jack, the (is it second or third?) Special Interrogator against Trump.
Mueller and his gang of Trump haters, now Weiss who is directly in the administration and already tried to arrange an all encompassing pass for all laws broken for Hunter ... they pick the most biased possible, same with Craze Jack, the (is it second or third?) Special Interrogator against Trump.
Posted by: illiniwek at August 23, 2023 11:16 AM (Cus5s)
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The purpose of the rules laid down in such great volume for so long a time is to obviate thinking.
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Excellent thesis, Mannix.
Also explains why most sheeple prefer authoritarianism to individual liberty & responsibility.
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Excellent thesis, Mannix.
Also explains why most sheeple prefer authoritarianism to individual liberty & responsibility.
Posted by: ShainS -- Deplorable AND Listless Vessel at August 23, 2023 11:16 AM (Me9WP)
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How did everything go so wrong at every level of the response? Why did Maui have to wait for water authorization? Why were the emergency sirens not activated? Why was traffic allegedly blocked from leading on the only good road out? Assuming that all of what we've heard is true, how did so much go wrong?
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Just bad luck I guess.
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Just bad luck I guess.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - To cheat with DeSantis they'll have to face themselves and admit they're soviet at August 23, 2023 11:17 AM (oZ23Y)
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Government and its employees aren't exempt from the Peter Principle, i.e. people are promoted up to their level of incompetence.
The difference is that in government, the incompetent sitting at the controls of the water supply for fire suppression can help get a lot of people killed in a fucking fire.
The difference is that in government, the incompetent sitting at the controls of the water supply for fire suppression can help get a lot of people killed in a fucking fire.
Posted by: ballistic at August 23, 2023 11:17 AM (oXNqT)
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(2) Wtf were the PEOPLE thinking?? The island is burning, people are being roasted alive, and everyone is just like "oh well, we asked for water and they said no. We could leave town, but too bad a police car is blocking the only road out. I guess we'll just have to sit here and die."
Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
Posted by: You don't want to go to hell do you? at August 23, 2023 11:17 AM (fhX0j)
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FWIW, one thing I saw mentioned on twitter was about people fleeing in electric cars. Electric cars burn much hotter, and much longer than regular cars. Yes, if your car is surrounded by flames you're going to die regardless of car type, but one can wonder how much harder it might have been to stop the fire with all these EVs that burn on and on and on.
Posted by: Lizzy at August 23, 2023 11:17 AM (avru5)
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As much as I loathe Sundowner ( today would be a good day for him to stroke out) it's HawIi offs to toss in a volcano for their idiotic rules
Posted by: Skip at August 23, 2023 11:15 AM (o3Rrr)
Incomprehensible and yet based vibe.
Posted by: Skip at August 23, 2023 11:15 AM (o3Rrr)
Incomprehensible and yet based vibe.
Posted by: Thesokorus at August 23, 2023 11:17 AM (/tTUc)
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The purpose of the rules laid down in such great volume for so long a time is to obviate thinking.
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And in many ways, this too is the story of AI.
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And in many ways, this too is the story of AI.
Posted by: ShainS -- Deplorable AND Listless Vessel at August 23, 2023 11:17 AM (Me9WP)
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Biden does have a reputation for being "windy".
Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko stuff at August 23, 2023 11:14 AM
I'm coming up from behind.
Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko stuff at August 23, 2023 11:14 AM
I'm coming up from behind.
Posted by: Eric Swalwell (D-CA) at August 23, 2023 11:17 AM (a3Q+t)
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I'm genuinely surprised that whoever his bosses were didn't sack him. People in positions of authori-TIE generally don't like when you don't consult them first.
He didn't do it every time, just when it really mattered. And he was always right. He was very politically astute.
He didn't do it every time, just when it really mattered. And he was always right. He was very politically astute.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 23, 2023 11:18 AM (I/Qkd)
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Joe Scarborough
@JoeNBC
Note the overwhelmingly positive response from local residents in the Maui paper and the stark contrast compared to the shock opera nonsense pushed by Trumpy outlets today. Same with the BS “sleep” narrative that created an alternate reality.
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Who you gonna believe, the intern killer or your lying eye?
@JoeNBC
Note the overwhelmingly positive response from local residents in the Maui paper and the stark contrast compared to the shock opera nonsense pushed by Trumpy outlets today. Same with the BS “sleep” narrative that created an alternate reality.
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Who you gonna believe, the intern killer or your lying eye?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 23, 2023 11:18 AM (FVME7)
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In military parlance, this is called "doing it by the book".
The "book" said that all devices having maintenance had to be "tagged out". Basically, the breaker had to be shut off before work could be done. This involved getting the log book, filling out the paperwork, signing the tag, getting a witness to also sign, and placing the tag on the circuit breaker.
However, in one particular instance, there was a piece of gear that for maintenance you had to test if it operated correctly by turning the power on. So, you had to go through all of the steps to turn OFF the power, only to have step one of the actual procedure be to turn ON the power.
Because the book said so.
The "book" said that all devices having maintenance had to be "tagged out". Basically, the breaker had to be shut off before work could be done. This involved getting the log book, filling out the paperwork, signing the tag, getting a witness to also sign, and placing the tag on the circuit breaker.
However, in one particular instance, there was a piece of gear that for maintenance you had to test if it operated correctly by turning the power on. So, you had to go through all of the steps to turn OFF the power, only to have step one of the actual procedure be to turn ON the power.
Because the book said so.
Posted by: AshevilleRobert at August 23, 2023 11:18 AM (fv27Y)
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The system of rules over thought is why "AI" is doomed to fail for the foreseeable future. So-called AI systems are nothing more than a set of rules applied to data - it cannot synthesize or think in the way real intelligence can.
What we are seeing in Maui, Flint, et. al., is the reduction of human intelligence to AI-level intelligence. And that's not a good thing.
What we are seeing in Maui, Flint, et. al., is the reduction of human intelligence to AI-level intelligence. And that's not a good thing.
Posted by: can of spam at August 23, 2023 11:18 AM (7oNMO)
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True, but tick boxing is the spectator sport of the future!
Posted by: Battle Bugs, Bitchez! at August 23, 2023 11:06 AM
Get those bloodsucking punks in the ring! My prediction? Pain!
Posted by: Battle Bugs, Bitchez! at August 23, 2023 11:06 AM
Get those bloodsucking punks in the ring! My prediction? Pain!
Posted by: A Tweetle Beetle at August 23, 2023 11:18 AM (FVJNG)
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>>The difference is that in government, the incompetent sitting at the controls of the water supply for fire suppression can help get a lot of people killed in a fucking fire.
And then resign a week later and. . . move on?
Is he really going to get away with that?
And then resign a week later and. . . move on?
Is he really going to get away with that?
Posted by: Lizzy at August 23, 2023 11:18 AM (avru5)
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As a human being, my heart goes out to the families who suffered this incredible tragedy.
However, my head is all out of fucks to give for people who spend decades electing people over and over and over again who put them in this situation. I don't enjoy feeling this way, but it's like when I see the latest innocent person assaulted by a lunatic on the NYC subway. It's your fucking fault that you live there.
However, my head is all out of fucks to give for people who spend decades electing people over and over and over again who put them in this situation. I don't enjoy feeling this way, but it's like when I see the latest innocent person assaulted by a lunatic on the NYC subway. It's your fucking fault that you live there.
Posted by: ballistic at August 23, 2023 11:18 AM (oXNqT)
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*Adjusts tin foil hat*
Why did they not release the water, sound the alarm, and block the only escape route? The people whose homes were destroyed would still have a claim to the property...unless they were dead.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at August 23, 2023 11:16 AM (u73oe)
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I doubt it, and the reason I doubt it is that an operation at that scale with that level of compliance would be hard to achieve, particularly on short notice. The right conditions for a fire, the right people in the right positions to ensure a perfectly-flubbed response, someone to set the fire, nobody having an attack of basic humanity and deviating from the plan, no leaks about coordination, etc.
It strikes me as unlikely in the extreme.
Why did they not release the water, sound the alarm, and block the only escape route? The people whose homes were destroyed would still have a claim to the property...unless they were dead.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at August 23, 2023 11:16 AM (u73oe)
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I doubt it, and the reason I doubt it is that an operation at that scale with that level of compliance would be hard to achieve, particularly on short notice. The right conditions for a fire, the right people in the right positions to ensure a perfectly-flubbed response, someone to set the fire, nobody having an attack of basic humanity and deviating from the plan, no leaks about coordination, etc.
It strikes me as unlikely in the extreme.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 23, 2023 11:19 AM (t0OGg)
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When I was in NH, we dined at an Indian restaurant that was just stellar. The food was nothing like any typical Indian restaurant I"d been to prior.
Posted by: kallisto
So yer sayin' it had authentic street urchin?
Posted by: kallisto
So yer sayin' it had authentic street urchin?
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 23, 2023 11:19 AM (IG4Id)
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31 26 The awesome efficiency of coordinated government effort. Do you think it's easy to kill 1000 people??
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Its likely moar than 1,000. The population was 12,702 as of 2020. A death count of 1,270 would be ten percent. 2,540 would be twenty percent. Wait and see. They already know the real number they just don't want you to know it.
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Its likely moar than 1,000. The population was 12,702 as of 2020. A death count of 1,270 would be ten percent. 2,540 would be twenty percent. Wait and see. They already know the real number they just don't want you to know it.
Posted by: Puddinhead at August 23, 2023 11:19 AM (sVfvf)
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most Indian restaurants are the equivalent of eating at a pizza joint and declaring it to be Italian cuisine. If you go to a restaurant that serves Indian cuisine, it's really good. When I was in NH, we dined at an Indian restaurant that was just stellar. The food was nothing like any typical Indian restaurant I"d been to prior.
Posted by: kallisto at August 23, 2023
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Well, the one I visited was recommended by a local Indian couple. Nice people, and the restaurant seemed clean and the food tasted okay. It just wasn't to my taste, I guess.
Posted by: kallisto at August 23, 2023
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Well, the one I visited was recommended by a local Indian couple. Nice people, and the restaurant seemed clean and the food tasted okay. It just wasn't to my taste, I guess.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at August 23, 2023 11:19 AM (J2vNu)
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The world is a complicated place and it is impossible to have a rule - or set of rules, or set of sets of rules ad infinitum - that will cover all conditions. But bureaucracy runs on rules and metes out reprisals for breaking them - even if breaking a rule or deciding not to proceed despite the rules saying you can would be the single best thing to do. Rule-following is in the organizational DNA at all levels, and it has made thought redundant.
^^^This right here is why Communism/socialism/Democrat governance fail.
No one is smart enough to anticipate all things or even 90% of all that could happen on a given day.
A small set of simple, broad rules that accommodates freedom of thought and action particularly within emergency situations.
By the by, when TFG was trying to set up his Commissar Corps or whatever it was called, he gave a speech defining success within exactly the kind of broken system on Maui that killed hundreds of kids.
Basically, he said "Get in line, follow the rules, do what you're told, wait your turn, and you'l do alright."
Hawaiian Water Justice Boy was following this advice exactly. People, children burning to death? Not his concern.
^^^This right here is why Communism/socialism/Democrat governance fail.
No one is smart enough to anticipate all things or even 90% of all that could happen on a given day.
A small set of simple, broad rules that accommodates freedom of thought and action particularly within emergency situations.
By the by, when TFG was trying to set up his Commissar Corps or whatever it was called, he gave a speech defining success within exactly the kind of broken system on Maui that killed hundreds of kids.
Basically, he said "Get in line, follow the rules, do what you're told, wait your turn, and you'l do alright."
Hawaiian Water Justice Boy was following this advice exactly. People, children burning to death? Not his concern.
Posted by: naturalfake at August 23, 2023 11:19 AM (QzZeQ)
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94 Joe Scarborough
@JoeNBC
Note the overwhelmingly positive response from local residents in the Maui paper and the stark contrast compared to the shock opera nonsense pushed by Trumpy outlets today. Same with the BS “sleep” narrative that created an alternate reality.
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Who you gonna believe, the intern killer or your lying eye?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 23, 2023 11:18 AM (FVME7)
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Joe Biden sleeping in public is part of a narrative from the right, therefore it can be rejected.
@JoeNBC
Note the overwhelmingly positive response from local residents in the Maui paper and the stark contrast compared to the shock opera nonsense pushed by Trumpy outlets today. Same with the BS “sleep” narrative that created an alternate reality.
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Who you gonna believe, the intern killer or your lying eye?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 23, 2023 11:18 AM (FVME7)
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Joe Biden sleeping in public is part of a narrative from the right, therefore it can be rejected.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 23, 2023 11:19 AM (LvTSG)
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And then resign a week later and. . . move on?
Is he really going to get away with that?
Posted by: Lizzy at August 23, 2023 11:18 AM (avru5)
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I mean, what consequences do you think this person will suffer?
Is he really going to get away with that?
Posted by: Lizzy at August 23, 2023 11:18 AM (avru5)
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I mean, what consequences do you think this person will suffer?
Posted by: ballistic at August 23, 2023 11:19 AM (oXNqT)
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I love Indian food.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 23, 2023 11:19 AM (xTRSc)
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I'm pretty sure people don't run toward flames on purpose. They may get close and then think to themselves "Wow, this is hot. Maybe we should go the other way..."
Posted by: gourmand du jour at August 23, 2023 11:20 AM (MeG8a)
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You can’t respond quickly when you have to conduct a public opinion survey first.
Posted by: db (lowercase since 2008) back from a 2 year break at August 23, 2023 11:20 AM (wu87C)
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The purpose of the rules laid down in such great volume for so long a time is to obviate thinking.
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There's a good flip side to that coin that we're seeing as well.
Training, training, training until you're no longer thinking and instead instinctively acting is exactly why training exists.
Here we have an emergency management head getting paid $200K+ or so who never served a day in an emergency management job and whose only qualification was being an aid to a mayor.
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There's a good flip side to that coin that we're seeing as well.
Training, training, training until you're no longer thinking and instead instinctively acting is exactly why training exists.
Here we have an emergency management head getting paid $200K+ or so who never served a day in an emergency management job and whose only qualification was being an aid to a mayor.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - To cheat with DeSantis they'll have to face themselves and admit they're soviet at August 23, 2023 11:20 AM (oZ23Y)
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It's a great rant.
Typo:
Why was traffic allegedly blocked from leading on the only good road out?
leading-->leaving
Typo:
Why was traffic allegedly blocked from leading on the only good road out?
leading-->leaving
Posted by: m at August 23, 2023 11:21 AM (Dz9Qm)
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"It strikes me as unlikely in the extreme.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 23, 2023 11:19 AM (t0OGg)"
Given the scale of the west coast arsons in the last few years, I'm not so sure about that. You don't need people in on the plan to do this, all you need is a bunch of incompetent rule followers and a couple of dirtbags.
You also have the wtf-factor on the guy in charge for this also being the same dude who handled Las Vegas.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 23, 2023 11:19 AM (t0OGg)"
Given the scale of the west coast arsons in the last few years, I'm not so sure about that. You don't need people in on the plan to do this, all you need is a bunch of incompetent rule followers and a couple of dirtbags.
You also have the wtf-factor on the guy in charge for this also being the same dude who handled Las Vegas.
Posted by: somedood at August 23, 2023 11:21 AM (N9SfE)
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And then resign a week later and. . . move on?
Is he really going to get away with that?
Posted by: Lizzy at August 23, 2023 11:18 AM (avru5)
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I suspect that this fuckup is so extreme that some of the usually-protected Party members will be sacrificed to appease the masses. People will get fired, etc. I doubt there will be a single prosecution. If I am right in my assessment - and time will tell - there will be no cause for a prosecution. They all followed the rules. They got a ton of people killed, but no matter.
Is he really going to get away with that?
Posted by: Lizzy at August 23, 2023 11:18 AM (avru5)
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I suspect that this fuckup is so extreme that some of the usually-protected Party members will be sacrificed to appease the masses. People will get fired, etc. I doubt there will be a single prosecution. If I am right in my assessment - and time will tell - there will be no cause for a prosecution. They all followed the rules. They got a ton of people killed, but no matter.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 23, 2023 11:21 AM (t0OGg)
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I did nothing wrong. I was simply following orders. Now where is my $70k a year for life guaranteed pension?
- govt workers
- govt workers
Posted by: Montec at August 23, 2023 11:21 AM (Ue/uc)
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IIANM, Special Counsels, by law, cannot be from the U.S. govt.
Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at August 23, 2023 11:21 AM (8fpTj)
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94 Joe Scarborough
@JoeNBC
Note the overwhelmingly positive response from local residents in the Maui paper and the stark contrast compared to the shock opera nonsense pushed by Trumpy outlets today. Same with the BS “sleep” narrative that created an alternate reality.
Hey intern murderer... We're supposed to believe some left wing rag in Maui that the "folks" loved hearing Joe compare his kitchen fire to Families being incinerated ? And... Biden was asleep because you can see him wake up startled.. What a fantasy world you live in
@JoeNBC
Note the overwhelmingly positive response from local residents in the Maui paper and the stark contrast compared to the shock opera nonsense pushed by Trumpy outlets today. Same with the BS “sleep” narrative that created an alternate reality.
Hey intern murderer... We're supposed to believe some left wing rag in Maui that the "folks" loved hearing Joe compare his kitchen fire to Families being incinerated ? And... Biden was asleep because you can see him wake up startled.. What a fantasy world you live in
Posted by: It's me donna at August 23, 2023 11:21 AM (bs+z0)
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Joe Scarborough
@JoeNBC
Note the overwhelmingly positive response from local residents in the Maui paper
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While ignoring the opposite responses from the same local residents.
@JoeNBC
Note the overwhelmingly positive response from local residents in the Maui paper
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While ignoring the opposite responses from the same local residents.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - To cheat with DeSantis they'll have to face themselves and admit they're soviet at August 23, 2023 11:22 AM (oZ23Y)
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Compliance has been beaten into people repeatedly for years on end.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 23, 2023 11:12 AM (t0OGg)
It starts early. Obey your parents or get beat. Obey your teachers or get beat, once at school, twice at home. Obey the cops or get beat by a whole gang of them on the street, then at the police station, then in your holding cell. Obey the cultural norms or get your character and reputation and ability to hold a job beat. From the we reach self-awareness it's obey obey obey - and not for our sake, safety or well-being. It's for the sake of obedience for its own sake.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 23, 2023 11:12 AM (t0OGg)
It starts early. Obey your parents or get beat. Obey your teachers or get beat, once at school, twice at home. Obey the cops or get beat by a whole gang of them on the street, then at the police station, then in your holding cell. Obey the cultural norms or get your character and reputation and ability to hold a job beat. From the we reach self-awareness it's obey obey obey - and not for our sake, safety or well-being. It's for the sake of obedience for its own sake.
Posted by: And now I need some sake' at August 23, 2023 11:22 AM (fhX0j)
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I tick the box that indicates Kevin McCarthy is a flouncing Ponce.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at August 23, 2023 11:22 AM (/MvYl)
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And why do we continue to look to them as 'authorities'?
Posted by: t-bird at August 23, 2023 11:22 AM (ptElO)
121
So yer sayin' it had authentic street urchin?
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 23, 2023 11:19 AM (IG4Id)
I didn't see any urchin on the menu, no! I wish I could remember the name of the place, it was near the border with VT
I'm not aware of any similar quality in my area
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 23, 2023 11:19 AM (IG4Id)
I didn't see any urchin on the menu, no! I wish I could remember the name of the place, it was near the border with VT
I'm not aware of any similar quality in my area
Posted by: kallisto at August 23, 2023 11:23 AM (LIf6Z)
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The obvious takeaway is that the people elected to "lead" are nothing but a bunch of reactionaries.
Note that they blame climate change but can't point to a single mitigation strategy taken to blunt its impact.
It would be like driving your car toward a telephone poll that's a mile away but never once steering away from it.
Note that they blame climate change but can't point to a single mitigation strategy taken to blunt its impact.
It would be like driving your car toward a telephone poll that's a mile away but never once steering away from it.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 23, 2023 11:23 AM (KbCG3)
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>>It's funny how they followed some rules but likely ignored rules on clearing brush or maintaining power lines.
Ah, but they were following rules -- the progressive DEI/climate change agenda rules that say pursuit of the latest "green" and/or woke fad is always top priority. For example, it was more important to respect the tribe's water rights than use it immediately.
Ah, but they were following rules -- the progressive DEI/climate change agenda rules that say pursuit of the latest "green" and/or woke fad is always top priority. For example, it was more important to respect the tribe's water rights than use it immediately.
Posted by: Lizzy at August 23, 2023 11:23 AM (avru5)
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It strikes me as unlikely in the extreme.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 23, 2023 11:19 AM (t0OGg)
—————
A few years ago I wouldn’t even have considered the possibility. Now I’m not so sure.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 23, 2023 11:19 AM (t0OGg)
—————
A few years ago I wouldn’t even have considered the possibility. Now I’m not so sure.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at August 23, 2023 11:23 AM (u73oe)
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There was a really good Indian fusion place in Ohama, lo many years ago. I suppose it was Americanized, but in a fancy way, so it's okay.
Posted by: She Hobbit (out and about in Middle Earth) at August 23, 2023 11:23 AM (XX2nN)
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I saw a comment yesterday about 650 kids not being accounted from one school. It must be the story behind the questions being asked about the number of missing kids that the authorities are ducking.
Posted by: DanMan at August 23, 2023 11:23 AM (wcu+j)
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Typo:
Why was traffic allegedly blocked from leading on the only good road out?
leading-->leaving
Posted by: m at August 23, 2023 11:21 AM (Dz9Qm)
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Drat.
Fixed.
Thank you.
Why was traffic allegedly blocked from leading on the only good road out?
leading-->leaving
Posted by: m at August 23, 2023 11:21 AM (Dz9Qm)
++++
Drat.
Fixed.
Thank you.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 23, 2023 11:23 AM (t0OGg)
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You wouldn't be much of a bureaucrat if you just said 'yes' to a request.
Posted by: t-bird at August 23, 2023 11:23 AM (ptElO)
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Rules do not seem to matter for USA borders, or arresting Antifa rioters, gangs of shoplifters or ballot stuffers….
Posted by: Bang-a-gong at August 23, 2023 11:23 AM (opqZ/)
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So, you had to go through all of the steps to turn OFF the power, only to have step one of the actual procedure be to turn ON the power.
Because the book said so.
Posted by: AshevilleRobert
Heh. In one of the Data Centers I worked at the procedure for a fire in the machine rooms was roughly 20 pages long and was supposed to be followed chapter and verse from start to end. iirc, the Halon system would kick off after 8 seconds or so of the alarm. For the uninitiated, Halon will kill you in an enclosed space.
Because the book said so.
Posted by: AshevilleRobert
Heh. In one of the Data Centers I worked at the procedure for a fire in the machine rooms was roughly 20 pages long and was supposed to be followed chapter and verse from start to end. iirc, the Halon system would kick off after 8 seconds or so of the alarm. For the uninitiated, Halon will kill you in an enclosed space.
Posted by: Tonypete at August 23, 2023 11:24 AM (x7plP)
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"How do these drunk, corrupt incompetents keep winning at War?"
Posted by: Thesokorus at August
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You forgot ugly. Not impressed by the Russians at all.
They win by throwing vast numbers of their people at enemy machine guns. It's why the Russian countryside is so empty.
Posted by: Thesokorus at August
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You forgot ugly. Not impressed by the Russians at all.
They win by throwing vast numbers of their people at enemy machine guns. It's why the Russian countryside is so empty.
Posted by: kulaks at August 23, 2023 11:24 AM (Sxm9i)
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Oh, ffs. Every system the gubmint put into place failed. Every.one
Emergency Broadcast System
NOAA radio
Amber alert.
Friggen siren
Emergency Broadcast System
NOAA radio
Amber alert.
Friggen siren
Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at August 23, 2023 11:24 AM (qik3p)
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Great article Joe.
One small quibble. The drones follow rules, until they decide not to. And that not to depends on how the broken rule will affect said recipient.
DoJ rules for FISA. Yes. By the book until the recipient is of no concern.
Union rules are enforced until someone decides not to, for whatever reason. Then, try firing that union guy.
Maui. Everyone involved has lifetime job protection. Follow the rules was the safest course for them, not doing the right thing. And even if doing the wrong thing would have actually been the right thing in the end, given the current cluster-screw this appears to be - no one is losing their job.
These people followed rules, but could have not AND STILL not lost their jobs. So I think there's something to be said that these people really don't care.
One small quibble. The drones follow rules, until they decide not to. And that not to depends on how the broken rule will affect said recipient.
DoJ rules for FISA. Yes. By the book until the recipient is of no concern.
Union rules are enforced until someone decides not to, for whatever reason. Then, try firing that union guy.
Maui. Everyone involved has lifetime job protection. Follow the rules was the safest course for them, not doing the right thing. And even if doing the wrong thing would have actually been the right thing in the end, given the current cluster-screw this appears to be - no one is losing their job.
These people followed rules, but could have not AND STILL not lost their jobs. So I think there's something to be said that these people really don't care.
Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at August 23, 2023 11:24 AM (FxH7T)
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From the we reach self-awareness it's obey obey obey - and not for our sake, safety or well-being. It's for the sake of obedience for its own sake.
Posted by: And now I need some sake' at August 23, 2023 11:22 AM (fhX0j)
You're not an authentic Person until you've hucked your first molotov through a police station window. Until then, your thoughts and opinions don't matter.
Posted by: And now I need some sake' at August 23, 2023 11:22 AM (fhX0j)
You're not an authentic Person until you've hucked your first molotov through a police station window. Until then, your thoughts and opinions don't matter.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 23, 2023 11:24 AM (/EuRN)
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There's a reason why even an hierarchical organization like the military stresses that the officers and NCOs must be able to act with initiative. Well, at least they used to.
The Russian army doesn't, and the results speak for themselves.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 23, 2023 11:04 AM (I/Qkd)
*rolls eyes*
The Russian army doesn't, and the results speak for themselves.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 23, 2023 11:04 AM (I/Qkd)
*rolls eyes*
Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at August 23, 2023 11:25 AM (Mzdiz)
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>>@JoeNBC
Note the overwhelmingly positive response from local residents in the Maui paper
MSM dude points to MSM version of events to prove the MSM narrative is true.
Wow, you nailed it, Joe!
Note the overwhelmingly positive response from local residents in the Maui paper
MSM dude points to MSM version of events to prove the MSM narrative is true.
Wow, you nailed it, Joe!
Posted by: Lizzy at August 23, 2023 11:25 AM (avru5)
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You also have the wtf-factor on the guy in charge for this also being the same dude who handled Las Vegas.
That's the part that makes me think there's some conspiracy theories that aren't getting enough credit.
That's the part that makes me think there's some conspiracy theories that aren't getting enough credit.
Posted by: Ian S. at August 23, 2023 11:25 AM (2ocoG)
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The people responsible for this should be prosecuted for murder, but will likely get promoted and reelected. It's the Democrat way, man.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at August 23, 2023 11:25 AM (pohLc)
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My old boss was in the habit of doing it first, and asking permission later. It usually worked, but sometimes he'd get a spanking. He didn't care. His priority was making things easier for his subordinates.
For some reason, he was the most popular division head we ever had.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 23, 2023 11:09 AM (I/Qkd)
My current department head is like this. Doesn't care. Tells us to do what we need to and she'll play the bad guy if needed.
I don't love my day-to-day but I can't ask for a better boss.
For some reason, he was the most popular division head we ever had.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 23, 2023 11:09 AM (I/Qkd)
My current department head is like this. Doesn't care. Tells us to do what we need to and she'll play the bad guy if needed.
I don't love my day-to-day but I can't ask for a better boss.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 23, 2023 11:26 AM (KbCG3)
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74 Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at August 23, 2023 11:10 AM (J2vNu)
most Indian restaurants are the equivalent of eating at a pizza joint and declaring it to be Italian cuisine. If you go to a restaurant that serves Indian cuisine, it's really good. When I was in NH, we dined at an Indian restaurant that was just stellar. The food was nothing like any typical Indian restaurant I"d been to prior.
Posted by: kallisto at August 23, 2023 11:15 AM (LIf6Z)
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Indian cuisine is much more varied than Americans think. There are hundreds if not thousands of regions in India and each has its own styles and cuisine. Some you would never think of as "Indian" food, just like some of the food in Florence you'd never figure for Italian. The "Indian" food most Americans think of is the equivalent of Chinese takeout: created for a mass-market American audience.
There are a few "real" Indian restaurants, but they are the exception rather than the rule. How can you identify them? Look at who is eating there. If the clientele is mostly Indians, then it's a good bet the place is legit. If not, then the place is McPatel's.
most Indian restaurants are the equivalent of eating at a pizza joint and declaring it to be Italian cuisine. If you go to a restaurant that serves Indian cuisine, it's really good. When I was in NH, we dined at an Indian restaurant that was just stellar. The food was nothing like any typical Indian restaurant I"d been to prior.
Posted by: kallisto at August 23, 2023 11:15 AM (LIf6Z)
__________
Indian cuisine is much more varied than Americans think. There are hundreds if not thousands of regions in India and each has its own styles and cuisine. Some you would never think of as "Indian" food, just like some of the food in Florence you'd never figure for Italian. The "Indian" food most Americans think of is the equivalent of Chinese takeout: created for a mass-market American audience.
There are a few "real" Indian restaurants, but they are the exception rather than the rule. How can you identify them? Look at who is eating there. If the clientele is mostly Indians, then it's a good bet the place is legit. If not, then the place is McPatel's.
Posted by: Elric Blade at August 23, 2023 11:26 AM (iFTx/)
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They always try to say there is a cult following for Trump...It's nothing Compared to the cultish coverage of Joe who can do no wrong ever... The Emperors new clothes on steroids
Posted by: It's me donna at August 23, 2023 11:26 AM (bs+z0)
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Joe Scarborough
@JoeNBC
Note the overwhelmingly positive response from local residents in the Maui paper
TASS reads Pravda on the air.
@JoeNBC
Note the overwhelmingly positive response from local residents in the Maui paper
TASS reads Pravda on the air.
Posted by: db (lowercase since 2008) back from a 2 year break at August 23, 2023 11:26 AM (wu87C)
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IT WAS ALL ON PURPOSE. Weird shit going on over there.
Helter Skelter Hawaiin style? The natives were already restless. When they figure out what was done...
Helter Skelter Hawaiin style? The natives were already restless. When they figure out what was done...
Posted by: DOYLE at August 23, 2023 11:26 AM (Z8Yh2)
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Maui residents are being overwhelmed by calls from real estate agents sharks wanting to buy their leveled property. It's almost like this was a planned burn.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at August 23, 2023 11:26 AM (/MvYl)
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I saw a comment yesterday about 650 kids not being accounted from one school.
By the way, we have 650 kids for sale. Talk to Oprah if interested...
By the way, we have 650 kids for sale. Talk to Oprah if interested...
Posted by: FEMA at August 23, 2023 11:27 AM (bt2PN)
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wonder what it feels like when you are a drunk and no one will sell you any more booze ?
the US, in general, is gonna find out in the net decade and in specific, the Liberal Interventionist, much sooner
the US, in general, is gonna find out in the net decade and in specific, the Liberal Interventionist, much sooner
Posted by: REDACTED at August 23, 2023 11:27 AM (us2H3)
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MSM dude points to MSM version of events to prove the MSM narrative is true.
I know people who absorb every word of it, with great attention, and believe it all
I know people who absorb every word of it, with great attention, and believe it all
Posted by: kallisto at August 23, 2023 11:27 AM (LIf6Z)
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And why do we continue to look to them as 'authorities'?
Posted by: t-bird
Because authority now only means someone in a position of power rather than someone with expertise in a given area.
Posted by: t-bird
Because authority now only means someone in a position of power rather than someone with expertise in a given area.
Posted by: She Hobbit (out and about in Middle Earth) at August 23, 2023 11:27 AM (XX2nN)
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These people followed rules, but could have not AND STILL not lost their jobs. So I think there's something to be said that these people really don't care.
Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at August 23, 2023 11:24 AM (FxH7T)
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They care, but there are rules about when to follow the rules. The meta-rule is political.
With the right political motivation, you can break any rule you want to break. For business as usual, though - the day to day work of government and other large organizations - rules are obeyed with the zeal of the converted.
Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at August 23, 2023 11:24 AM (FxH7T)
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They care, but there are rules about when to follow the rules. The meta-rule is political.
With the right political motivation, you can break any rule you want to break. For business as usual, though - the day to day work of government and other large organizations - rules are obeyed with the zeal of the converted.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 23, 2023 11:27 AM (t0OGg)
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123 >>It's funny how they followed some rules but likely ignored rules on clearing brush or maintaining power lines.
Ah, but they were following rules -- the progressive DEI/climate change agenda rules that say pursuit of the latest "green" and/or woke fad is always top priority. For example, it was more important to respect the tribe's water rights than use it immediately.
Posted by: Lizzy at August 23, 2023 11:23 AM (avru5)
And usually the accumulation of rules over time means that a large amount of them are being ignored at any given time. People couldn't and don't learn them all. They do generally learn the "active" rules related to their routine work and that's it.
Ah, but they were following rules -- the progressive DEI/climate change agenda rules that say pursuit of the latest "green" and/or woke fad is always top priority. For example, it was more important to respect the tribe's water rights than use it immediately.
Posted by: Lizzy at August 23, 2023 11:23 AM (avru5)
And usually the accumulation of rules over time means that a large amount of them are being ignored at any given time. People couldn't and don't learn them all. They do generally learn the "active" rules related to their routine work and that's it.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at August 23, 2023 11:27 AM (eYoxG)
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138 The people responsible for this should be prosecuted for murder, but will likely get promoted and reelected. It's the Democrat way, man.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at August 23, 2023 11:25 AM (pohLc)
As TJM pointed out yesterday, the only positive change will have to come from inside the ruling party. Not dem stronghold will suddenly switch to some effective conservative but they may side for a less crappy dem.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at August 23, 2023 11:25 AM (pohLc)
As TJM pointed out yesterday, the only positive change will have to come from inside the ruling party. Not dem stronghold will suddenly switch to some effective conservative but they may side for a less crappy dem.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 23, 2023 11:27 AM (KbCG3)
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Joe Scarborough
@JoeNBC
Note the overwhelmingly positive response from local residents in the Maui paper
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It's neat how similar that is to COVID.
"Why are you listening to the 7-10% of naysayers who are having seizures and dying? Didn't you see Jimmy Kimmel's dance routine with the gay guys dressed up like doctors?"
@JoeNBC
Note the overwhelmingly positive response from local residents in the Maui paper
--
It's neat how similar that is to COVID.
"Why are you listening to the 7-10% of naysayers who are having seizures and dying? Didn't you see Jimmy Kimmel's dance routine with the gay guys dressed up like doctors?"
Posted by: Moron Robbie - To cheat with DeSantis they'll have to face themselves and admit they're soviet at August 23, 2023 11:27 AM (oZ23Y)
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They always try to say there is a cult following for Trump...It's nothing Compared to the cultish coverage of Joe who can do no wrong ever... The Emperors new clothes on steroids
The left is 100% projection. Any time a Dem/MSM accuses you of something they're doing it.
The left is 100% projection. Any time a Dem/MSM accuses you of something they're doing it.
Posted by: Ian S. at August 23, 2023 11:28 AM (2ocoG)
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"Heh. In one of the Data Centers I worked at the procedure for a fire in the machine rooms was roughly 20 pages long and was supposed to be followed chapter and verse from start to end. iirc, the Halon system would kick off after 8 seconds or so of the alarm. For the uninitiated, Halon will kill you in an enclosed space.
Posted by: Tonypete"
We had Halon systems in the fire room and engine room. It's not so much as the Halon will kill you. It's not poisonous. It's just that it displaces all of the oxygen.
Posted by: Tonypete"
We had Halon systems in the fire room and engine room. It's not so much as the Halon will kill you. It's not poisonous. It's just that it displaces all of the oxygen.
Posted by: AshevilleRobert at August 23, 2023 11:28 AM (fv27Y)
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I know people who absorb every word of it, with great attention, and believe it all
Posted by: kallisto at August 23, 2023 11:27 AM (LIf6Z)
My Sister
I know people who absorb every word of it, with great attention, and believe it all
Posted by: kallisto at August 23, 2023 11:27 AM (LIf6Z)
My Sister
Posted by: It's me donna at August 23, 2023 11:28 AM (bs+z0)
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Posted by: You don't want to go to hell do you? at August 23, 2023 11:17 AM (fhX0j)
Let me take some guesses here. You're not a person of religious faith and don't understand the context of Romans which of course is not related to the situation in Maui
Try reading Martyn Lloyd Jones' commentary on Romans or if that is too much of an effort see the movie "Essential Church" which discusses the role of the church and civil authority and Romans.
Let me take some guesses here. You're not a person of religious faith and don't understand the context of Romans which of course is not related to the situation in Maui
Try reading Martyn Lloyd Jones' commentary on Romans or if that is too much of an effort see the movie "Essential Church" which discusses the role of the church and civil authority and Romans.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 23, 2023 11:28 AM (NpWq6)
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They win by throwing vast numbers of their people at enemy machine guns. It's why the Russian countryside is so empty.
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And yet, that was the entire plan for the Ukrainian counteroffensive.
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And yet, that was the entire plan for the Ukrainian counteroffensive.
Posted by: Methos at August 23, 2023 11:29 AM (Dnobf)
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There are hundreds if not thousands of regions in India and each has its own styles and cuisine.
yes, the Indian couple who reco'd the restaurant to Wolfus must have hailed from a region that produces meh food
yes, the Indian couple who reco'd the restaurant to Wolfus must have hailed from a region that produces meh food
Posted by: kallisto at August 23, 2023 11:29 AM (LIf6Z)
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91 The purpose of the rules laid down in such great volume for so long a time is to obviate thinking.
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And those rules were built on a foundation of generational leftism, so ungood squared.
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And those rules were built on a foundation of generational leftism, so ungood squared.
Posted by: SloPitch Whiffer at August 23, 2023 11:29 AM (wzAuc)
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As TJM pointed out yesterday, the only positive change will have to come from inside the ruling party. Not dem stronghold will suddenly switch to some effective conservative but they may side for a less crappy dem.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 23, 2023 11:27 AM (KbCG3)
That only happens once the GOP is destroyed and a new Party arises. Because the GOP and DEMs are in cahoots to make this stuff happen.
NB: the Party System is dumb.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 23, 2023 11:27 AM (KbCG3)
That only happens once the GOP is destroyed and a new Party arises. Because the GOP and DEMs are in cahoots to make this stuff happen.
NB: the Party System is dumb.
Posted by: Thesokorus at August 23, 2023 11:29 AM (/ZIxB)
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Well written article. We have a dil in dc bureaucracy and can see this also spills into the everyday life. Common sense is a rare commodity.
Posted by: Paisley at August 23, 2023 11:30 AM (ny1NG)
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"Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation." Posted by: You don't want to go to hell do you?
yeah, I always wonder if Romans 13 was inserted after the fact, or if in those times, resisting government equaled death ... but it makes no sense to me, is certainly not aligned with old testament history. ... Some try to say the higher powers are "men of God" not government, but it sure seems to be speaking of governments.
2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation." Posted by: You don't want to go to hell do you?
yeah, I always wonder if Romans 13 was inserted after the fact, or if in those times, resisting government equaled death ... but it makes no sense to me, is certainly not aligned with old testament history. ... Some try to say the higher powers are "men of God" not government, but it sure seems to be speaking of governments.
Posted by: illiniwek at August 23, 2023 11:30 AM (Cus5s)
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You're not an authentic Person until you've hucked your first molotov through a police station window. Until then, your thoughts and opinions don't matter.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 23, 2023 11:24 AM (/EuRN)
It does seem we have reached that point.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 23, 2023 11:24 AM (/EuRN)
It does seem we have reached that point.
Posted by: Not a good place we're in at August 23, 2023 11:30 AM (fhX0j)
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We had Halon systems in the fire room and engine room. It's not so much as the Halon will kill you. It's not poisonous. It's just that it displaces all of the oxygen.
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Doesn't fire fighting on ships include air tanks for the firefighters?
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Doesn't fire fighting on ships include air tanks for the firefighters?
Posted by: Puddinhead at August 23, 2023 11:31 AM (fWTJL)
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Why did Maui have to wait for water authorization? Why were the emergency sirens not activated? Why was traffic allegedly blocked from leading on the only good road out? Assuming that all of what we've heard is true, how did so much go wrong?
In the alternative, the reason everything went wrong is our government at all levels has a self-selected population whose primary nature is to not exhibit leadership or dare violate the dominate government culture and by doing so risk their paychecks, promotion, and pensions. In less polite terms this might also be viewed from a fuck you peasants perspective.
In the alternative, the reason everything went wrong is our government at all levels has a self-selected population whose primary nature is to not exhibit leadership or dare violate the dominate government culture and by doing so risk their paychecks, promotion, and pensions. In less polite terms this might also be viewed from a fuck you peasants perspective.
Posted by: Lost In Space at August 23, 2023 11:32 AM (kxv2o)
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-don't deploy any emergency warnings.
-shut off the water
-corral people in fire zone so they can't escape
-slow walk relief
-refuse to answer questions about missing people
-ground independent drone flying over the source area of the fire
Yep. They started the fire.
-don't deploy any emergency warnings.
-shut off the water
-corral people in fire zone so they can't escape
-slow walk relief
-refuse to answer questions about missing people
-ground independent drone flying over the source area of the fire
Yep. They started the fire.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 23, 2023 11:32 AM (TZ75n)
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Any guesses on if the creatures on The View will say the people of Maui got what they deserved because of voting history like they did with East Palestine? I’m guessing no.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at August 23, 2023 11:32 AM (u73oe)
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Another problem with the Russian army, at least in the past, was that their NCO corps is comparatively small. Most of the personnel are either high muckety-muck officers or lowly ground-pounding conscripts. Comparatively few professional NCOs to bridge the gap.
And the officers look down on the conscripts.
So, typical Russian noble v. serf situation.
And the officers look down on the conscripts.
So, typical Russian noble v. serf situation.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 23, 2023 11:32 AM (xTRSc)
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Christians really be needing to read Aquinas on government.
Posted by: Thesokorus at August 23, 2023 11:32 AM (/ZIxB)
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I had Indian food once, on the insistence of the psycho bitch I was dating at the time. I concur it was meh.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at August 23, 2023 11:32 AM (pohLc)
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I'm going to go with the Babelization of society.
Thomas Sowell has a book out "Knowledge and Decisions" that explains the phenomena in more academic terms, but in short, primitive civilizations where people don't specialize are more adaptable and can more quickly respond than highly specialized societies where a person may have a PhD, but that ability to function may be tightly constrained to a certain specialty and that doctorate holder worthless in any other situation.
When people assume that "Someone [Else] Do Something" and something that occurs outside the specialty of the highly government functionary then people stand around w/o solutions; and in this case will allow themselves and their families immolated rather than dare to think for themselves.
Thomas Sowell has a book out "Knowledge and Decisions" that explains the phenomena in more academic terms, but in short, primitive civilizations where people don't specialize are more adaptable and can more quickly respond than highly specialized societies where a person may have a PhD, but that ability to function may be tightly constrained to a certain specialty and that doctorate holder worthless in any other situation.
When people assume that "Someone [Else] Do Something" and something that occurs outside the specialty of the highly government functionary then people stand around w/o solutions; and in this case will allow themselves and their families immolated rather than dare to think for themselves.
Posted by: Reuben Hick at August 23, 2023 11:32 AM (p8A+W)
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He didn't care. His priority was making things easier for his subordinates.
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My industry is mostly STRONK and INDEPENDENT women who... can't making decisions on nearly anything.
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My industry is mostly STRONK and INDEPENDENT women who... can't making decisions on nearly anything.
Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - Longing to Lie in Zooey Deschanel's Bosom for Comfort at August 23, 2023 11:33 AM (VTu1l)
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What apparently nobody did, however, was the single most important thing: think.
This X1000
Take a look at the kids coming out of high schools and colleges. Many are great graduates off to live good lives. All too many are idiots incapable of thinking. They are destined for the basement in momma's house forever playing video games. A select few are headed to careers in government.
These are the ones who were supposed to make key decisions.
This X1000
Take a look at the kids coming out of high schools and colleges. Many are great graduates off to live good lives. All too many are idiots incapable of thinking. They are destined for the basement in momma's house forever playing video games. A select few are headed to careers in government.
These are the ones who were supposed to make key decisions.
Posted by: Diogenes at August 23, 2023 11:33 AM (hv9bm)
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160 As TJM pointed out yesterday, the only positive change will have to come from inside the ruling party. Not dem stronghold will suddenly switch to some effective conservative but they may side for a less crappy dem.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 23, 2023 11:27 AM (KbCG3)
That only happens once the GOP is destroyed and a new Party arises. Because the GOP and DEMs are in cahoots to make this stuff happen.
NB: the Party System is dumb.
Posted by: Thesokorus at August 23, 2023 11:29 AM (/ZIxB)
GOP base got that ball rolling in 2016. Interesting to see if that momentum carries on past 2024.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 23, 2023 11:27 AM (KbCG3)
That only happens once the GOP is destroyed and a new Party arises. Because the GOP and DEMs are in cahoots to make this stuff happen.
NB: the Party System is dumb.
Posted by: Thesokorus at August 23, 2023 11:29 AM (/ZIxB)
GOP base got that ball rolling in 2016. Interesting to see if that momentum carries on past 2024.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 23, 2023 11:33 AM (KbCG3)
Posted by: Ian S. at August 23, 2023 11:33 AM (2ocoG)
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Another problem with the Russian army, at least in the past, was that their NCO corps is comparatively small. Most of the personnel are either high muckety-muck officers or lowly ground-pounding conscripts. Comparatively few professional NCOs to bridge the gap.
And the officers look down on the conscripts.
So, typical Russian noble v. serf situation.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 23, 2023 11:32 AM (xTRSc)
Wehrmacht cope.
And the officers look down on the conscripts.
So, typical Russian noble v. serf situation.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 23, 2023 11:32 AM (xTRSc)
Wehrmacht cope.
Posted by: Thesokorus at August 23, 2023 11:33 AM (/ZIxB)
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I rarely ask for permission. I often beg for forgiveness.
That being said you can be a leader from behind. I lead people who think they are the ones running shit. I let them think it. It makes it easier for me appeal to their sense of self. Mear suggestions become their good ideas and get implimented. I once figured out the owner was watching me like a hawk on the cameras all over the shop. I got more shit done in that 2 months than anybody ever. I would get needs from the leads. Take the convorsation to a camera somewhere and just talk. What we would discuss was usually realized within a week.
I am always introduced as .... the guy who is really running shit around here. And I do in all but title. I'm a mear executive assistant to the VP.
That being said you can be a leader from behind. I lead people who think they are the ones running shit. I let them think it. It makes it easier for me appeal to their sense of self. Mear suggestions become their good ideas and get implimented. I once figured out the owner was watching me like a hawk on the cameras all over the shop. I got more shit done in that 2 months than anybody ever. I would get needs from the leads. Take the convorsation to a camera somewhere and just talk. What we would discuss was usually realized within a week.
I am always introduced as .... the guy who is really running shit around here. And I do in all but title. I'm a mear executive assistant to the VP.
Posted by: Reforger at August 23, 2023 11:34 AM (xEFP3)
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Who will be the first to smuggle out a photos of charred children huddled among the remains of their home?
Because their government school sent them there to die in the fire.
If photos from Mai Lai, bombings, etc., in Vietnam were necessary to show the horrors of the US government, then we should see the horrors of the Democrat Hawaiian government.
Because their government school sent them there to die in the fire.
If photos from Mai Lai, bombings, etc., in Vietnam were necessary to show the horrors of the US government, then we should see the horrors of the Democrat Hawaiian government.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 23, 2023 11:34 AM (L8Ski)
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I don't know which region produced the good Indian food I enjoyed, I can only say none of the menu offerings looked like slop, and everything on the plate was an identifiable food item.
Posted by: kallisto at August 23, 2023 11:34 AM (LIf6Z)
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170 I had Indian food once, on the insistence of the psycho bitch I was dating at the time. I concur it was meh.
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Take her to a Sushi restaurant. If she will eat raw fish you've got a winner on your hands.
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Take her to a Sushi restaurant. If she will eat raw fish you've got a winner on your hands.
Posted by: Puddinhead at August 23, 2023 11:34 AM (fWTJL)
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So, typical Russian noble v. serf situation.
Russian? The entire Western "elite class" runs on that dynamic.
Russian? The entire Western "elite class" runs on that dynamic.
Posted by: Ian S. at August 23, 2023 11:34 AM (2ocoG)
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GOP base got that ball rolling in 2016. Interesting to see if that momentum carries on past 2024.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 23, 2023 11:33 AM (KbCG3)
I think it's a done deal. GOP trying to milk the donors on the way out the door hanging up the "out of business" sign.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 23, 2023 11:33 AM (KbCG3)
I think it's a done deal. GOP trying to milk the donors on the way out the door hanging up the "out of business" sign.
Posted by: Thesokorus at August 23, 2023 11:35 AM (/ZIxB)
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Take her to a Sushi restaurant. If she will eat raw fish you've got a winner on your hands.
Posted by: Puddinhead at August 23, 2023 11:34 AM (fWTJL)
What part of psycho bitch did you miss?
Posted by: Puddinhead at August 23, 2023 11:34 AM (fWTJL)
What part of psycho bitch did you miss?
Posted by: Xipe Totec at August 23, 2023 11:35 AM (pohLc)
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Didn't you see Jimmy Kimmel's dance routine with the gay guys dressed up like doctors?"
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That was Stephen Colbert actually, who is also a simpsoy pansyass light in the loafers
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That was Stephen Colbert actually, who is also a simpsoy pansyass light in the loafers
Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - Longing to Lie in Zooey Deschanel's Bosom for Comfort at August 23, 2023 11:35 AM (VTu1l)
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"Indian cuisine is much more varied than Americans think. There are hundreds if not thousands of regions in India and each has its own styles and cuisine. Some you would never think of as "Indian" food, just like some of the food in Florence you'd never figure for Italian. The "Indian" food most Americans think of is the equivalent of Chinese takeout: created for a mass-market American audience.
There are a few "real" Indian restaurants, but they are the exception rather than the rule. How can you identify them? Look at who is eating there. If the clientele is mostly Indians, then it's a good bet the place is legit. If not, then the place is McPatel's.
Posted by: Elric Blade at August 23, 2023 11:26 AM (iFTx/)"
This is true.
Then again, I've also had enough bad experiences with them as a culture (very broad brush here, I know) that I refuse to give them money for literally anything, do any sort of business with them, and sure as hell wouldn't trust them to prepare food for me. They've earned a spot on the same list as the mainland Chinese - never again.
There are a few "real" Indian restaurants, but they are the exception rather than the rule. How can you identify them? Look at who is eating there. If the clientele is mostly Indians, then it's a good bet the place is legit. If not, then the place is McPatel's.
Posted by: Elric Blade at August 23, 2023 11:26 AM (iFTx/)"
This is true.
Then again, I've also had enough bad experiences with them as a culture (very broad brush here, I know) that I refuse to give them money for literally anything, do any sort of business with them, and sure as hell wouldn't trust them to prepare food for me. They've earned a spot on the same list as the mainland Chinese - never again.
Posted by: somedood at August 23, 2023 11:35 AM (wK4hU)
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I think this is a lot like covid. Even if you assume that covid's release/the start of the fires were not intentional/planned, the leftists in charge seized on the situation and quickly laid out a plan to maximize damage and casualties in the furtherance of their political agenda which, in the case of the fires, was "proving" climate change is so out of control that a state of "climate emergency" needs to be declared which will in effect lock down the country again.
Posted by: rendered at August 23, 2023 11:36 AM (BudYP)
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If she will eat raw fish you've got a winner on your hands.
But then she's at a high risk for being a lesbian.
But then she's at a high risk for being a lesbian.
Posted by: Ian S. at August 23, 2023 11:36 AM (2ocoG)
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Posted by: Thesokorus at August 23, 2023 11:32 AM (/ZIxB)
Please tell it to "You don't want to go to hell do you?" who has a stupid handle and probably isn't a Christian.
But it's a good suggestion and I have read Aquinas.
Please tell it to "You don't want to go to hell do you?" who has a stupid handle and probably isn't a Christian.
But it's a good suggestion and I have read Aquinas.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 23, 2023 11:36 AM (NpWq6)
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That was Stephen Colbert actually, who is also a simpsoy pansyass light in the loafers
Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - Longing to Lie in Zooey Deschanel's Bosom for Comfort at August 23, 2023 11:35 AM (VTu1l)
Colbert had the dancing syringes
That was Stephen Colbert actually, who is also a simpsoy pansyass light in the loafers
Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - Longing to Lie in Zooey Deschanel's Bosom for Comfort at August 23, 2023 11:35 AM (VTu1l)
Colbert had the dancing syringes
Posted by: It's me donna at August 23, 2023 11:36 AM (bs+z0)
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yeah, I always wonder if Romans 13 was inserted after the fact, or if in those times, resisting government equaled death ... but it makes no sense to me, is certainly not aligned with old testament history. ... Some try to say the higher powers are "men of God" not government, but it sure seems to be speaking of governments.
Posted by: illiniwek at August 23, 2023 11:30 AM (Cus5s)
It's one of those parts that's really hard to reconcile with resistance to tyranny of any sort. Or even mild civil disobedience.
Posted by: illiniwek at August 23, 2023 11:30 AM (Cus5s)
It's one of those parts that's really hard to reconcile with resistance to tyranny of any sort. Or even mild civil disobedience.
Posted by: Nothing is easy at August 23, 2023 11:36 AM (fhX0j)
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yeah, I always wonder if Romans 13 was inserted after the fact, or if in those times, resisting government equaled death ... but it makes no sense to me, is certainly not aligned with old testament history
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It specifically contradicts God's assessment of government and the desire for it as a sin against Him, when Israel's fall into monarchy is discussed in 1 Samuel 8.
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It specifically contradicts God's assessment of government and the desire for it as a sin against Him, when Israel's fall into monarchy is discussed in 1 Samuel 8.
Posted by: Methos at August 23, 2023 11:36 AM (Dnobf)
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"Doesn't fire fighting on ships include air tanks for the firefighters?
Posted by: Puddinhead"
We had Oxygen Breathing Apparatus. It didn't have a tank of oxygen, but rather a large metal cartridge that used a chemical reaction to create oxygen. You wore it on your chest, and you had to insert the cartridge and use a lever to seat it, which broke a thin metal seal on the top. The moisture in your breath activated the chemical reaction.
They only lasted for so long, and to had to swap out the cartridge. You had to be careful when ejecting the old one, because it'd be super hot from the reaction.
Posted by: Puddinhead"
We had Oxygen Breathing Apparatus. It didn't have a tank of oxygen, but rather a large metal cartridge that used a chemical reaction to create oxygen. You wore it on your chest, and you had to insert the cartridge and use a lever to seat it, which broke a thin metal seal on the top. The moisture in your breath activated the chemical reaction.
They only lasted for so long, and to had to swap out the cartridge. You had to be careful when ejecting the old one, because it'd be super hot from the reaction.
Posted by: AshevilleRobert at August 23, 2023 11:36 AM (fv27Y)
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-don't deploy any emergency warnings.
-shut off the water
-corral people in fire zone so they can't escape
-slow walk relief
-refuse to answer questions about missing people
-ground independent drone flying over the source area of the fire
Yep. They started the fire.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 23, 2023 11:32 AM (TZ75n)
Okay but why combine a fire of this magnitude with something like sending the kids home from school so they would inevitably be caught up in it? Where's the motivation to kill hundreds of kids?
I would believe the conspiracy if they timed this out with some event that would limit casualties. I see no upside for them in killing hundreds of kids.
-don't deploy any emergency warnings.
-shut off the water
-corral people in fire zone so they can't escape
-slow walk relief
-refuse to answer questions about missing people
-ground independent drone flying over the source area of the fire
Yep. They started the fire.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 23, 2023 11:32 AM (TZ75n)
Okay but why combine a fire of this magnitude with something like sending the kids home from school so they would inevitably be caught up in it? Where's the motivation to kill hundreds of kids?
I would believe the conspiracy if they timed this out with some event that would limit casualties. I see no upside for them in killing hundreds of kids.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 23, 2023 11:36 AM (KbCG3)
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All this talk is making me want to go get some lamb vindaloo for lunch, knowing that my sphincter will pay the price a number of hours later.
Posted by: ballistic at August 23, 2023 11:36 AM (oXNqT)
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yeah, I always wonder if Romans 13 was inserted after the fact, or if in those times, resisting government equaled death ... but it makes no sense to me, is certainly not aligned with old testament history. ... Some try to say the higher powers are "men of God" not government, but it sure seems to be speaking of governments.
Posted by: illiniwek at August 23, 2023 11:30 AM (Cus5s)
David refused to assassinate Saul on similar grounds.
An easier analogy to understand might be parents. Structures and hierarchies aren't purposeless. Depending on individuals those purposes can be subverted. Someone who acts to replace leadership is asserting authority(and most people are not fit for this, though they're also self-aware about it and so will wait to support someone who is). A question between two authorities rather then endless henpecking of whoever happens to be in charge.
Posted by: illiniwek at August 23, 2023 11:30 AM (Cus5s)
David refused to assassinate Saul on similar grounds.
An easier analogy to understand might be parents. Structures and hierarchies aren't purposeless. Depending on individuals those purposes can be subverted. Someone who acts to replace leadership is asserting authority(and most people are not fit for this, though they're also self-aware about it and so will wait to support someone who is). A question between two authorities rather then endless henpecking of whoever happens to be in charge.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at August 23, 2023 11:37 AM (eYoxG)
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The funny part is I was making up something to make fun of the MSM and late night comedians.
That's awesome.
That's awesome.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - To cheat with DeSantis they'll have to face themselves and admit they're soviet at August 23, 2023 11:37 AM (oZ23Y)
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I had Indian food once, on the insistence of the psycho bitch I was dating at the time. I concur it was meh.
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I have hindu friends who have tutored me into learning that if the food isn't setting your mouth on fire and drying up every fluid in your body with napalm zeal, it's not indian food
Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - Longing to Lie in Zooey Deschanel's Bosom for Comfort at August 23, 2023 11:37 AM (VTu1l)
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'Do you haff your papers, Herr Eromero?'
Posted by: Eromero at August 23, 2023 11:37 AM (NxC5+)
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Okay but why combine a fire of this magnitude with something like sending the kids home from school so they would inevitably be caught up in it? Where's the motivation to kill hundreds of kids?
Gates/WEF have openly stated that achieving utopia will require 7.5 billion peasants to die first.
Gates/WEF have openly stated that achieving utopia will require 7.5 billion peasants to die first.
Posted by: Ian S. at August 23, 2023 11:38 AM (2ocoG)
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I'm pretty sure people don't run toward flames on purpose. They may get close and then think to themselves "Wow, this is hot. Maybe we should go the other way..."
Posted by: gourmand du jour at August 23, 2023 11:20 AM (MeG8a)
Firefighters get paid a lot for more reasons than just that they're unionized government employees.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at August 23, 2023 11:20 AM (MeG8a)
Firefighters get paid a lot for more reasons than just that they're unionized government employees.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at August 23, 2023 11:38 AM (zhLdt)
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197 I had Indian food once, on the insistence of the psycho bitch I was dating at the time. I concur it was meh.
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Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - Longing to Lie in Zooey Deschanel's Bosom for Comfort at August 23, 2023 11:37 AM (VTu1l)
Naan is very good. I enjoy that. They also have a smoothie type drink - forget what it's called - but they are tasty as well. But you can't beat a good hot & spicy curry.
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I have hindu friends who have tutored me into learning that if the food isn't setting your mouth on fire and drying up every fluid in your body with napalm zeal, it's not indian food
Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - Longing to Lie in Zooey Deschanel's Bosom for Comfort at August 23, 2023 11:37 AM (VTu1l)
Naan is very good. I enjoy that. They also have a smoothie type drink - forget what it's called - but they are tasty as well. But you can't beat a good hot & spicy curry.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at August 23, 2023 11:38 AM (N39Ws)
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I doubt it, and the reason I doubt it is that an operation at that scale with that level of compliance would be hard to achieve, particularly on short notice. The right conditions for a fire, the right people in the right positions to ensure a perfectly-flubbed response, someone to set the fire, nobody having an attack of basic humanity and deviating from the plan, no leaks about coordination, etc.
Excellent essay. It does explain the NPCs. To address your doubts: environmental biases going back decades have set up ideal fire conditions in many places. Some titled official in Maui was also a titled official in the Las Vegas shooting. Fires are being set all over the world and being blamed on climate change. According to some people at the scene, some did deviate. I will grant that there are no apparent leakers at this time.
Excellent essay. It does explain the NPCs. To address your doubts: environmental biases going back decades have set up ideal fire conditions in many places. Some titled official in Maui was also a titled official in the Las Vegas shooting. Fires are being set all over the world and being blamed on climate change. According to some people at the scene, some did deviate. I will grant that there are no apparent leakers at this time.
Posted by: AmericanKestrel at August 23, 2023 11:38 AM (S5+ge)
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191 yeah, I always wonder if Romans 13 was inserted after the fact, or if in those times, resisting government equaled death ... but it makes no sense to me, is certainly not aligned with old testament history
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It specifically contradicts God's assessment of government and the desire for it as a sin against Him, when Israel's fall into monarchy is discussed in 1 Samuel 8.
Posted by: Methos at August 23, 2023 11:36 AM (Dnobf)
God appoints Saul. He is accomodating a desire of the Hebrews in doing so, but Saul is nevertheless appointed. And later deposed.
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It specifically contradicts God's assessment of government and the desire for it as a sin against Him, when Israel's fall into monarchy is discussed in 1 Samuel 8.
Posted by: Methos at August 23, 2023 11:36 AM (Dnobf)
God appoints Saul. He is accomodating a desire of the Hebrews in doing so, but Saul is nevertheless appointed. And later deposed.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at August 23, 2023 11:38 AM (eYoxG)
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187 If she will eat raw fish you've got a winner on your hands.
But then she's at a high risk for being a lesbian.
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So room to grow the relationship, rite?
But then she's at a high risk for being a lesbian.
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So room to grow the relationship, rite?
Posted by: Puddinhead at August 23, 2023 11:39 AM (fWTJL)
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We had a young fellow operating a huge, and I mean huge, press and the ram came down for reasons unknown and trapped and crushed his hand. First thing somebody did was hit the big red panic button on the control board. Then it was all hands trying to get it to return to battery, freeing the kids hand. Finally one of the engineers, walking through the bay, went over and cool as a cucumber powered up the press, returning the ram. Big red button shut everything down and because it was a big red button it was the first pushed in an emergency.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at August 23, 2023 11:39 AM (0EOe9)
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Okay but why combine a fire of this magnitude with something like sending the kids home from school so they would inevitably be caught up in it? Where's the motivation to kill hundreds of kids?
I would believe the conspiracy if they timed this out with some event that would limit casualties. I see no upside for them in killing hundreds of kids.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer
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It was just three years ago that they closed the country down for a minor cold virus that no one would know they had if it wasn't constantly advertised and people forced to wear symbols to remind one another that there was a minor cold virus present in parts of the U.S.
Part of that required killing 50K+ people, many old and alone.
This is a test for that. It's why Global Warming is the only thing being blamed.
I would believe the conspiracy if they timed this out with some event that would limit casualties. I see no upside for them in killing hundreds of kids.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer
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It was just three years ago that they closed the country down for a minor cold virus that no one would know they had if it wasn't constantly advertised and people forced to wear symbols to remind one another that there was a minor cold virus present in parts of the U.S.
Part of that required killing 50K+ people, many old and alone.
This is a test for that. It's why Global Warming is the only thing being blamed.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - To cheat with DeSantis they'll have to face themselves and admit they're soviet at August 23, 2023 11:39 AM (oZ23Y)
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Seen on Insty: dozens of US cities have signed up with Michael Bloomberg's pledge to outlaw meat, dairy, and privately-owned cars (including EVs) by 2030.
Chalk another one up for conspiracy theories.
Chalk another one up for conspiracy theories.
Posted by: Ian S. at August 23, 2023 11:39 AM (2ocoG)
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In less polite terms this might also be viewed from a fuck you peasants perspective.
I'm not sure that this conclusion follows from your original observation.
I was tracking with the "No One Gets Fired For Buying IBM" ethos, and quite frankly it may just stay there.
Looking at some individuals in particular in this fiasco, I would say that they have a non-existent OODA cycle.
They don't have the desire or ability to Observe
They don't have the education or mental flexibility to Orient to what may be observed.
They don't have the political/social ability to make a Decision
The system itself is sclerotic preventing any timely ability to Act.
I'm not sure that this conclusion follows from your original observation.
I was tracking with the "No One Gets Fired For Buying IBM" ethos, and quite frankly it may just stay there.
Looking at some individuals in particular in this fiasco, I would say that they have a non-existent OODA cycle.
They don't have the desire or ability to Observe
They don't have the education or mental flexibility to Orient to what may be observed.
They don't have the political/social ability to make a Decision
The system itself is sclerotic preventing any timely ability to Act.
Posted by: Reuben Hick at August 23, 2023 11:39 AM (p8A+W)
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But you can't beat a good hot & spicy curry.
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I have a keto meatloaf recipe that uses apple and curry.
nom nom
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I have a keto meatloaf recipe that uses apple and curry.
nom nom
Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - Longing to Lie in Zooey Deschanel's Bosom for Comfort at August 23, 2023 11:40 AM (VTu1l)
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We're still talking about Indian food?
I like Indian food. When we go out to eat, there's a good chance that it will be Indian chow.
But, there's no denying that, like the dishes from many other third world countries, the highly spiced and or large number and amounts of spices, combined with a long simmering time is designed to cover up the smell and consequences of eating spoiled and/or rotten food.
When you're starving you aren't going to waste that smelly road kill gopher...a bunch of spices, an extended cooking time and zippadeezzop! Wednesday night dinner.
That's why I don't mind "Americanized" Indian cooking restaurants. It's my belief, rightly or wrongly, that they're more likely to be following American standards for food service. And not trying to push that pot of vindaloo, just one more extra day cuz who can taste the difference.
YMMV.
By the by, I've never had food poisoning in an Indian restaurant and the restaurants that I've had the most food poisoning in have been KFCs(!).
I think that some KFCs try to push that leftover chicken just one more day by refrying the day old chicken again.
Again YMMV.
I like Indian food. When we go out to eat, there's a good chance that it will be Indian chow.
But, there's no denying that, like the dishes from many other third world countries, the highly spiced and or large number and amounts of spices, combined with a long simmering time is designed to cover up the smell and consequences of eating spoiled and/or rotten food.
When you're starving you aren't going to waste that smelly road kill gopher...a bunch of spices, an extended cooking time and zippadeezzop! Wednesday night dinner.
That's why I don't mind "Americanized" Indian cooking restaurants. It's my belief, rightly or wrongly, that they're more likely to be following American standards for food service. And not trying to push that pot of vindaloo, just one more extra day cuz who can taste the difference.
YMMV.
By the by, I've never had food poisoning in an Indian restaurant and the restaurants that I've had the most food poisoning in have been KFCs(!).
I think that some KFCs try to push that leftover chicken just one more day by refrying the day old chicken again.
Again YMMV.
Posted by: naturalfake at August 23, 2023 11:40 AM (QzZeQ)
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I have hindu friends who have tutored me into learning that if the food isn't setting your mouth on fire and drying up every fluid in your body with napalm zeal, it's not indian food
Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - Longing to Lie in Zooey Deschanel's Bosom for Comfort at August 23, 2023 11:37 AM (VTu1l)
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Well, duh.
Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - Longing to Lie in Zooey Deschanel's Bosom for Comfort at August 23, 2023 11:37 AM (VTu1l)
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Well, duh.
Posted by: Sichuan Cuisine at August 23, 2023 11:40 AM (ScR16)
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Seen on Insty: dozens of US cities have signed up with Michael Bloomberg's pledge to outlaw meat, dairy, and privately-owned cars (including EVs) by 2030.
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But why would the government kill all those kids to promote Global Warming?
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But why would the government kill all those kids to promote Global Warming?
Posted by: Moron Robbie - To cheat with DeSantis they'll have to face themselves and admit they're soviet at August 23, 2023 11:40 AM (oZ23Y)
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Well now, they call my baby, Patty But her real name, her real name, her real name is Vindaloo
But her real name, her real name, her real name is Vindaloo
But her real name, her real name, her real name is Vindaloo
Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko stuff at August 23, 2023 11:40 AM (xSwrI)
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190 yeah, I always wonder if Romans 13 was inserted after the fact, or if in those times, resisting government equaled death ... but it makes no sense to me, is certainly not aligned with old testament history. ... Some try to say the higher powers are "men of God" not government, but it sure seems to be speaking of governments.
Posted by: illiniwek at August 23, 2023 11:30 AM (Cus5s)
It's one of those parts that's really hard to reconcile with resistance to tyranny of any sort. Or even mild civil disobedience.
Posted by: Nothing is easy at August 23, 2023 11:36 AM (fhX0j)
In terms of civil disobedience, the early Christians continued their practices in the face of the death penalty. God's laws superceded those of the secular rulers, though they were not inherently fractious or rebellious.
Posted by: illiniwek at August 23, 2023 11:30 AM (Cus5s)
It's one of those parts that's really hard to reconcile with resistance to tyranny of any sort. Or even mild civil disobedience.
Posted by: Nothing is easy at August 23, 2023 11:36 AM (fhX0j)
In terms of civil disobedience, the early Christians continued their practices in the face of the death penalty. God's laws superceded those of the secular rulers, though they were not inherently fractious or rebellious.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at August 23, 2023 11:40 AM (eYoxG)
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Okay but why combine a fire of this magnitude with something like sending the kids home from school so they would inevitably be caught up in it? Where's the motivation to kill hundreds of kids?
I would believe the conspiracy if they timed this out with some event that would limit casualties. I see no upside for them in killing hundreds of kids.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 23, 2023 11:36 AM (KbCG3)
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Wipe out the next generations of people who have some ancestral ties to the land and their homes, so there's less objection when the monied class swoops in to scoop up all of the fire-ravaged properties.
I would believe the conspiracy if they timed this out with some event that would limit casualties. I see no upside for them in killing hundreds of kids.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 23, 2023 11:36 AM (KbCG3)
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Wipe out the next generations of people who have some ancestral ties to the land and their homes, so there's less objection when the monied class swoops in to scoop up all of the fire-ravaged properties.
Posted by: ballistic at August 23, 2023 11:40 AM (oXNqT)
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It was just three years ago that they closed the country down for a minor cold virus that no one would know they had if it wasn't constantly advertised and people forced to wear symbols to remind one another that there was a minor cold virus present in parts of the U.S.
Part of that required killing 50K+ people, many old and alone.
This is a test for that. It's why Global Warming is the only thing being blamed.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - To cheat with DeSantis they'll have to face themselves and admit they're soviet at August 23, 2023 11:39 AM (oZ23Y)
Which had an upside for them. Total control over the election.
I don't see the upside here.
Part of that required killing 50K+ people, many old and alone.
This is a test for that. It's why Global Warming is the only thing being blamed.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - To cheat with DeSantis they'll have to face themselves and admit they're soviet at August 23, 2023 11:39 AM (oZ23Y)
Which had an upside for them. Total control over the election.
I don't see the upside here.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 23, 2023 11:41 AM (KbCG3)
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But bureaucracy runs on rules and metes out reprisals for breaking them - even if breaking a rule or deciding not to proceed despite the rules saying you can would be the single best thing to do.
My rule is that bureaucracy is always EVIL. Sometimes it is a necessary evil, but it is still evil and should be minimized, ignored, and resisted as much as possible.
"Reject every kind of evil." (1 Thessalonians 5:22)
My rule is that bureaucracy is always EVIL. Sometimes it is a necessary evil, but it is still evil and should be minimized, ignored, and resisted as much as possible.
"Reject every kind of evil." (1 Thessalonians 5:22)
Posted by: Half Dozen at August 23, 2023 11:41 AM (eHovo)
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"176 Another problem with the Russian army, at least in the past, was that their NCO corps is comparatively small. Most of the personnel are either high muckety-muck officers or lowly ground-pounding conscripts. Comparatively few professional NCOs to bridge the gap.
And the officers look down on the conscripts.
So, typical Russian noble v. serf situation.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 23, 2023 11:32 AM (xTRSc)
Wehrmacht cope.
Posted by: Thesokorus at August 23, 2023 11:33 AM (/ZIxB)"
He's not wrong. This is a thing the goes all the way back to the czars. Their better formations get by on a sort of bullheaded courage and surprisingly good morale, but on the whole they're structured a lot like Arab armies, just... without the Arabs.
And the officers look down on the conscripts.
So, typical Russian noble v. serf situation.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 23, 2023 11:32 AM (xTRSc)
Wehrmacht cope.
Posted by: Thesokorus at August 23, 2023 11:33 AM (/ZIxB)"
He's not wrong. This is a thing the goes all the way back to the czars. Their better formations get by on a sort of bullheaded courage and surprisingly good morale, but on the whole they're structured a lot like Arab armies, just... without the Arabs.
Posted by: somedood at August 23, 2023 11:41 AM (wK4hU)
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207 Seen on Insty: dozens of US cities have signed up with Michael Bloomberg's pledge to outlaw meat, dairy, and privately-owned cars (including EVs) by 2030.
Chalk another one up for conspiracy theories.
Posted by: Ian S. at August 23, 2023 11:39 AM (2ocoG)
Boston, Houston, San Fran are but a few. Seeing Boston on that list only means more Massholes are going to move into NH where there is a scant more sensibility.
Chalk another one up for conspiracy theories.
Posted by: Ian S. at August 23, 2023 11:39 AM (2ocoG)
Boston, Houston, San Fran are but a few. Seeing Boston on that list only means more Massholes are going to move into NH where there is a scant more sensibility.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at August 23, 2023 11:41 AM (N39Ws)
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Don't know if anyone mentioned this but Flint continued the screwups after the initial mess. To replace some pipes to people's houses the contracted with a company set up by Jeff Grayer a former Flint HS basketball star who played at Iowa and a couple years in the NBA. He had no experience but his wife was on the city council. A firm that was very experienced, but run by a white guy was pushed aside. The installations were a mess. Don't know where it stands today but perfect evidence of Dem insider incompetent crap
Posted by: Smell the Glove at August 23, 2023 11:41 AM (BqPUE)
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fucking armchair exegesis.
Just yank any old quote out of a bible and say "Looooook! Words!!!!!" without five seconds of thought as to why it might not mean what you think it means, or that maybe this particular sequence of fifteen words you caged up like a zoo animal to gawp at may not be a universal diktat applicable at all times to every single primate who has ever lived or will ever live anywhere in the known universe.
I blame Calvin.
Just yank any old quote out of a bible and say "Looooook! Words!!!!!" without five seconds of thought as to why it might not mean what you think it means, or that maybe this particular sequence of fifteen words you caged up like a zoo animal to gawp at may not be a universal diktat applicable at all times to every single primate who has ever lived or will ever live anywhere in the known universe.
I blame Calvin.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 23, 2023 11:42 AM (/EuRN)
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Excellent essay.
Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at August 23, 2023 11:42 AM (d9Cw3)
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Seen on Insty: dozens of US cities have signed up with Michael Bloomberg's pledge to outlaw meat, dairy, and privately-owned cars (including EVs) by 2030.
I can not haz cheeseburger?
I can not haz cheeseburger?
Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko stuff at August 23, 2023 11:42 AM (xSwrI)
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They don't have the education or mental flexibility to Orient to what may be observed.
Furthermore, political correctness and wokeness prevents people from being pragmatic and clear eyed. Things are distorted and ran through a Climate Change or White Supremacy filter with predictable results.
The Bud Light people probably were convinced that their tactics were proper and reasonable based on their fucked up orientation to the world around them.
Furthermore, political correctness and wokeness prevents people from being pragmatic and clear eyed. Things are distorted and ran through a Climate Change or White Supremacy filter with predictable results.
The Bud Light people probably were convinced that their tactics were proper and reasonable based on their fucked up orientation to the world around them.
Posted by: Reuben Hick at August 23, 2023 11:42 AM (p8A+W)
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Wipe out the next generations of people who have some ancestral ties to the land and their homes, so there's less objection when the monied class swoops in to scoop up all of the fire-ravaged properties.
Yup. Rich Democrats have a problem with vacation spots like Maui, and it's that people live there who aren't them and their friends.
Yup. Rich Democrats have a problem with vacation spots like Maui, and it's that people live there who aren't them and their friends.
Posted by: Ian S. at August 23, 2023 11:42 AM (2ocoG)
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Colbert had the dancing syringes
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syringes, gay doctors, I cant tell the difference anymore
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syringes, gay doctors, I cant tell the difference anymore
Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - Longing to Lie in Zooey Deschanel's Bosom for Comfort at August 23, 2023 11:42 AM (VTu1l)
Posted by: Thesokorus at August 23, 2023 11:42 AM (/ZIxB)
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Wipe out the next generations of people who have some ancestral ties to the land and their homes, so there's less objection when the monied class swoops in to scoop up all of the fire-ravaged properties.
Posted by: ballistic
Yep. Plus, body count. Climate change wiped out X people. Look how bad it is.
Posted by: ballistic
Yep. Plus, body count. Climate change wiped out X people. Look how bad it is.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 23, 2023 11:42 AM (TZ75n)
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GOD puts rulers on the throne. Yep, even this one we got now. We're being punished for what we did to the last (2016-2020) one He put on the throne.
Posted by: Eromero at August 23, 2023 11:42 AM (NxC5+)
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Hawaii had DEI (DIE, actually) before DEI was cool. Riparian water rights are dispensed on a racial basis, ostensibly to help the native Hawaiians but in truth to make the white and Asian-American leftists feel better about themselves. This has been true for decades. You are right, too, permission had to be granted to release the water, so this was done by the book.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at August 23, 2023 11:43 AM (KSNKu)
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-don't deploy any emergency warnings.
-shut off the water
-corral people in fire zone so they can't escape
-slow walk relief
-refuse to answer questions about missing people
-ground independent drone flying over the source area of the fire
Yep. They started the fire.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 23, 2023 11:32 AM (TZ75n)
Okay but why combine a fire of this magnitude with something like sending the kids home from school so they would inevitably be caught up in it? Where's the motivation to kill hundreds of kids?
I would believe the conspiracy if they timed this out with some event that would limit casualties. I see no upside for them in killing hundreds of kids.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 23, 2023 11:36 AM (KbCG3)
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I think you underestimate how evil these people are. Who's kids died? Surely not the sons or daughters of the really rich. Just like in inner cities, where insane law enforcement policies get hundreds of (mostly black) kids killed every month, it can't possibly not be by design. Ditto seeding high-risk nursing homes with Covid. These people are evil murderers.
-don't deploy any emergency warnings.
-shut off the water
-corral people in fire zone so they can't escape
-slow walk relief
-refuse to answer questions about missing people
-ground independent drone flying over the source area of the fire
Yep. They started the fire.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 23, 2023 11:32 AM (TZ75n)
Okay but why combine a fire of this magnitude with something like sending the kids home from school so they would inevitably be caught up in it? Where's the motivation to kill hundreds of kids?
I would believe the conspiracy if they timed this out with some event that would limit casualties. I see no upside for them in killing hundreds of kids.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 23, 2023 11:36 AM (KbCG3)
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I think you underestimate how evil these people are. Who's kids died? Surely not the sons or daughters of the really rich. Just like in inner cities, where insane law enforcement policies get hundreds of (mostly black) kids killed every month, it can't possibly not be by design. Ditto seeding high-risk nursing homes with Covid. These people are evil murderers.
Posted by: Elric Blade at August 23, 2023 11:43 AM (iFTx/)
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A thousand dead kids is nothing to these people. Shocked that people still can't see it. I give people too much credit.
Posted by: DOYLE at August 23, 2023 11:43 AM (Z8Yh2)
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214 190 yeah, I always wonder if Romans 13 was inserted after the fact, or if in those times, resisting government equaled death ... but it makes no sense to me, is certainly not aligned with old testament history. ... Some try to say the higher powers are "men of God" not government, but it sure seems to be speaking of governments.
Posted by: illiniwek at August 23, 2023 11:30 AM (Cus5s)
It's one of those parts that's really hard to reconcile with resistance to tyranny of any sort. Or even mild civil disobedience.
Posted by: Nothing is easy at August 23, 2023 11:36 AM (fhX0j)
In terms of civil disobedience, the early Christians continued their practices in the face of the death penalty. God's laws superceded those of the secular rulers, though they were not inherently fractious or rebellious.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at August 23, 2023 11:40 AM (eYoxG)
Our system of government is different (or supposed to be). We are supposed to have God-given rights to speak boldly and our Gov't is supposed to be comprised of us and be for us.
The reality is starkly different.
Posted by: illiniwek at August 23, 2023 11:30 AM (Cus5s)
It's one of those parts that's really hard to reconcile with resistance to tyranny of any sort. Or even mild civil disobedience.
Posted by: Nothing is easy at August 23, 2023 11:36 AM (fhX0j)
In terms of civil disobedience, the early Christians continued their practices in the face of the death penalty. God's laws superceded those of the secular rulers, though they were not inherently fractious or rebellious.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at August 23, 2023 11:40 AM (eYoxG)
Our system of government is different (or supposed to be). We are supposed to have God-given rights to speak boldly and our Gov't is supposed to be comprised of us and be for us.
The reality is starkly different.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 23, 2023 11:43 AM (ynpvh)
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This article made my blood boil
https://tinyurl.com/mw2nvbbh
Bungling U.S. government bureaucrats dispatched to the Maui disaster zone are shacked up in $1,000-a-night luxury hotels on the Hawaiian island, DailyMail.com can reveal.
Officials from the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) have been slammed by locals over their slow response to the devastating wildfires that have claimed at least 114 lives and left thousands of people homeless after their houses were scorched to the ground.
But that has not stopped the under-fire agency from splashing taxpayer cash to put up more than 1,000 of its personnel at four bank-breaking resorts in Wailea after the deadliest wildfire in the U.S. for more than a century that caused an estimated $5billion in damage.
The beachside resorts are popular among the rich and famous and located about a 45-minute drive away from the fire-ravaged town of Lahaina.
FEMA teams have checked in at three five-star hotels, the Fairmont Kea Lani, Four Seasons, and the Grand Wailea Astoria where past guests include members of Hollywood's elite.
Federal government rates for this week at all three resorts start at an eye-watering $1,000.
https://tinyurl.com/mw2nvbbh
Bungling U.S. government bureaucrats dispatched to the Maui disaster zone are shacked up in $1,000-a-night luxury hotels on the Hawaiian island, DailyMail.com can reveal.
Officials from the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) have been slammed by locals over their slow response to the devastating wildfires that have claimed at least 114 lives and left thousands of people homeless after their houses were scorched to the ground.
But that has not stopped the under-fire agency from splashing taxpayer cash to put up more than 1,000 of its personnel at four bank-breaking resorts in Wailea after the deadliest wildfire in the U.S. for more than a century that caused an estimated $5billion in damage.
The beachside resorts are popular among the rich and famous and located about a 45-minute drive away from the fire-ravaged town of Lahaina.
FEMA teams have checked in at three five-star hotels, the Fairmont Kea Lani, Four Seasons, and the Grand Wailea Astoria where past guests include members of Hollywood's elite.
Federal government rates for this week at all three resorts start at an eye-watering $1,000.
Posted by: Gref at August 23, 2023 11:44 AM (AMIL/)
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Meat, Dairy, and Privately Owned Cars was basically 95% of the entire American Economy at one point.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 23, 2023 11:44 AM (/EuRN)
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"215 Okay but why combine a fire of this magnitude with something like sending the kids home from school so they would inevitably be caught up in it? Where's the motivation to kill hundreds of kids?
I would believe the conspiracy if they timed this out with some event that would limit casualties. I see no upside for them in killing hundreds of kids.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 23, 2023 11:36 AM (KbCG3)"
I'll point again to the scale of the arsons going on out West for the last ~3 years, combined with the number of people they happily killed to push the mainstream COVID narrative.
Burning whole towns is not off the menu for people like this. You're going to see more of this kind of thing.
I would believe the conspiracy if they timed this out with some event that would limit casualties. I see no upside for them in killing hundreds of kids.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 23, 2023 11:36 AM (KbCG3)"
I'll point again to the scale of the arsons going on out West for the last ~3 years, combined with the number of people they happily killed to push the mainstream COVID narrative.
Burning whole towns is not off the menu for people like this. You're going to see more of this kind of thing.
Posted by: somedood at August 23, 2023 11:44 AM (wK4hU)
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Which had an upside for them. Total control over the election.
I don't see the upside here.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer
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You're looking at the short term (which the COVID panic is already being dialed up, btw). This is longer. Getting you out of cars, getting you into 15 minute cities, etc. It's why they've been pushing Global Warming for 30 years even though the same people pushing it release data showing the U.S. has been steadily cooling since 1948. It doesn't matter.
Total control isn't only about elections.
I don't see the upside here.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer
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You're looking at the short term (which the COVID panic is already being dialed up, btw). This is longer. Getting you out of cars, getting you into 15 minute cities, etc. It's why they've been pushing Global Warming for 30 years even though the same people pushing it release data showing the U.S. has been steadily cooling since 1948. It doesn't matter.
Total control isn't only about elections.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - To cheat with DeSantis they'll have to face themselves and admit they're soviet at August 23, 2023 11:44 AM (oZ23Y)
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They care, but there are rules about when to follow the rules. The meta-rule is political.
Posted by: Joe Mannix
100% agree.
But I don't think this was political. Most everyone is D. I don't think these people cared. Or as many have said: really didn't think ir cared enough to think.
Drones? Yes. But didn't care regardless of D, R or children.
"Let someone else handle it" is the best answer I can come up with.
Posted by: Joe Mannix
100% agree.
But I don't think this was political. Most everyone is D. I don't think these people cared. Or as many have said: really didn't think ir cared enough to think.
Drones? Yes. But didn't care regardless of D, R or children.
"Let someone else handle it" is the best answer I can come up with.
Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at August 23, 2023 11:45 AM (FxH7T)
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228 Wipe out the next generations of people who have some ancestral ties to the land and their homes, so there's less objection when the monied class swoops in to scoop up all of the fire-ravaged properties.
Posted by: ballistic
Yep. Plus, body count. Climate change wiped out X people. Look how bad it is.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 23, 2023 11:42 AM (TZ75n)
The simplest explanation is found right in Joe's essay. Placing a bunch of mental incompetents in areas of great responsibility will lead to disastrous outcomes.
That the rich and powerful may benefit is just par for the course.
The strong do as they will, the weak endure what they must.
It's just a shame that the weak continue to place their full faith and confidence in awful, awful people.
Posted by: ballistic
Yep. Plus, body count. Climate change wiped out X people. Look how bad it is.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 23, 2023 11:42 AM (TZ75n)
The simplest explanation is found right in Joe's essay. Placing a bunch of mental incompetents in areas of great responsibility will lead to disastrous outcomes.
That the rich and powerful may benefit is just par for the course.
The strong do as they will, the weak endure what they must.
It's just a shame that the weak continue to place their full faith and confidence in awful, awful people.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 23, 2023 11:45 AM (KbCG3)
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They always try to say there is a cult following for Trump...It's nothing Compared to the cultish coverage of Joe who can do no wrong ever... The Emperors new clothes on steroids
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There is no Cult of Trump, as discussed in the recent unpleasant thread.
The media goes on forever asserting people who support Trump are cultists.
And that bleeds over onto conservatives who start to believe it, but maybe that it's only a few percentage.
Citing a couple of randos from a site no one has ever heard of is not proof all Trump supporters are crazed cultists.
Or here where even fellow morons are accused of being OnlyTrumpers.
Which is just silly.
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There is no Cult of Trump, as discussed in the recent unpleasant thread.
The media goes on forever asserting people who support Trump are cultists.
And that bleeds over onto conservatives who start to believe it, but maybe that it's only a few percentage.
Citing a couple of randos from a site no one has ever heard of is not proof all Trump supporters are crazed cultists.
Or here where even fellow morons are accused of being OnlyTrumpers.
Which is just silly.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 23, 2023 11:45 AM (L8Ski)
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He's not wrong. This is a thing the goes all the way back to the czars. Their better formations get by on a sort of bullheaded courage and surprisingly good morale, but on the whole they're structured a lot like Arab armies, just... without the Arabs.
Posted by: somedood at August 23, 2023 11:41 AM (wK4hU)
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At Borodino, seeing Russian soldiers dying in droves be refusing to give ground, Napoleon complained that he was fighting against "automatons."
Posted by: somedood at August 23, 2023 11:41 AM (wK4hU)
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At Borodino, seeing Russian soldiers dying in droves be refusing to give ground, Napoleon complained that he was fighting against "automatons."
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight at August 23, 2023 11:45 AM (ScR16)
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My rule is that bureaucracy is always EVIL. Sometimes it is a necessary evil, but it is still evil and should be minimized, ignored, and resisted as much as possible.
"Reject every kind of evil." (1 Thessalonians 5:22)
Posted by: Half Dozen
I can't recall which Nation Review turd it was, but one of them was responding to the phrase "government is a necessary evil" and having a meltdown over it. That lit a fuse in me.
"Reject every kind of evil." (1 Thessalonians 5:22)
Posted by: Half Dozen
I can't recall which Nation Review turd it was, but one of them was responding to the phrase "government is a necessary evil" and having a meltdown over it. That lit a fuse in me.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 23, 2023 11:46 AM (IG4Id)
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The simplest explanation is found right in Joe's essay. Placing a bunch of mental incompetents in areas of great responsibility will lead to disastrous outcomes.
Occam's Razor shatters when you're in a world run by the villains from Atlas Shrugged.
Occam's Razor shatters when you're in a world run by the villains from Atlas Shrugged.
Posted by: Ian S. at August 23, 2023 11:46 AM (2ocoG)
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Also I'm guessing there are quite a few of the Davos-level New Zealand land buyers interested in some nice Hawaiian property, too.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - To cheat with DeSantis they'll have to face themselves and admit they're soviet at August 23, 2023 11:46 AM (oZ23Y)
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Our system of government is different (or supposed to be). We are supposed to have God-given rights to speak boldly and our Gov't is supposed to be comprised of us and be for us.
The reality is starkly different.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 23, 2023 11:43 AM (ynpvh)
Bazinga. But some folks get really really angry for suggesting any tension between New Testament (especially) imprecations in Romans and 1 Peter as well regarding the authori-ties and anti-government sentiment, belief, or action.
Our system of government is different (or supposed to be). We are supposed to have God-given rights to speak boldly and our Gov't is supposed to be comprised of us and be for us.
The reality is starkly different.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 23, 2023 11:43 AM (ynpvh)
Bazinga. But some folks get really really angry for suggesting any tension between New Testament (especially) imprecations in Romans and 1 Peter as well regarding the authori-ties and anti-government sentiment, belief, or action.
Posted by: *shrug* Oh well. at August 23, 2023 11:46 AM (fhX0j)
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God appoints Saul. He is accomodating a desire of the Hebrews in doing so, but Saul is nevertheless appointed. And later deposed.
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By David, who was in the line that eventually produced Christ.
In other words, God works through His plans in spite of the sinful desires of men, such as government.
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By David, who was in the line that eventually produced Christ.
In other words, God works through His plans in spite of the sinful desires of men, such as government.
Posted by: Methos at August 23, 2023 11:46 AM (Dnobf)
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Seen on Insty: dozens of US cities have signed up with Michael Bloomberg's pledge to outlaw meat, dairy, and privately-owned cars (including EVs) by 2030.
I'm trying to figure out how the city government is going to prevent the prisoners from eating meat, consuming dairy (eg. ice cream that Joey likes), buying only three items of clothing, unloading all of their automobiles, and limiting travel to one short distance trip each three years.
If you want to see property and sales tax receipts collapse, this is the plan.
For me, I'm totally for this, it just means it will enshrine permanently the Work Fromhome Anyplace Not In Those Godforsaken Cities model.
I'm trying to figure out how the city government is going to prevent the prisoners from eating meat, consuming dairy (eg. ice cream that Joey likes), buying only three items of clothing, unloading all of their automobiles, and limiting travel to one short distance trip each three years.
If you want to see property and sales tax receipts collapse, this is the plan.
For me, I'm totally for this, it just means it will enshrine permanently the Work From
Posted by: Reuben Hick at August 23, 2023 11:46 AM (p8A+W)
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218 That was a problem with the ARVN. A lot of the field grade officers started out as field grade, essentially an appointment because of family status and education. Now, down at company grade if you had a dai uy with a couple years in the field under his belt you had a tough summbitch.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at August 23, 2023 11:46 AM (0EOe9)
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221 fucking armchair exegesis.
Just yank any old quote out of a bible and say "Looooook! Words!!!!!" without five seconds of thought as to why it might not mean what you think it means, or that maybe this particular sequence of fifteen words you caged up like a zoo animal to gawp at may not be a universal diktat applicable at all times to every single primate who has ever lived or will ever live anywhere in the known universe.
I blame Calvin.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 23, 2023 11:42 AM (/EuRN)
Reminds me of an ONT visitor last week.
Just yank any old quote out of a bible and say "Looooook! Words!!!!!" without five seconds of thought as to why it might not mean what you think it means, or that maybe this particular sequence of fifteen words you caged up like a zoo animal to gawp at may not be a universal diktat applicable at all times to every single primate who has ever lived or will ever live anywhere in the known universe.
I blame Calvin.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 23, 2023 11:42 AM (/EuRN)
Reminds me of an ONT visitor last week.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 23, 2023 11:46 AM (ynpvh)
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>>They always try to say there is a cult following for Trump...
The same NTers who say Trump supporters are part of a cult are the same people who have been skull f***ing the corpse of Reagan for the last 30 years or JFK for the last 60 years.
Trump is a paradigm shifting, historical figure.
His shadow will loom large long after he has left the scene.
>>They always try to say there is a cult following for Trump...
The same NTers who say Trump supporters are part of a cult are the same people who have been skull f***ing the corpse of Reagan for the last 30 years or JFK for the last 60 years.
Trump is a paradigm shifting, historical figure.
His shadow will loom large long after he has left the scene.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 23, 2023 11:46 AM (ZYieD)
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"David refused to assassinate Saul on similar grounds."
there can be such cases, but to say "all governments are ordained by God" (my brief summary without checking the text) ... rather than something more pragmatic (like "obey the law when possible") seems to preclude things like the formation of the USA, or fighting in any war ... because all nations are fair and just.
I think most explanations are "apologies" for something that doesn't make sense, but I haven't read them all.
there can be such cases, but to say "all governments are ordained by God" (my brief summary without checking the text) ... rather than something more pragmatic (like "obey the law when possible") seems to preclude things like the formation of the USA, or fighting in any war ... because all nations are fair and just.
I think most explanations are "apologies" for something that doesn't make sense, but I haven't read them all.
Posted by: illiniwek at August 23, 2023 11:47 AM (Cus5s)
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221 fucking armchair exegesis.
Just yank any old quote out of a bible and say "Looooook! Words!!!!!" without five seconds of thought as to why it might not mean what you think it means, or that maybe this particular sequence of fifteen words you caged up like a zoo animal to gawp at may not be a universal diktat applicable at all times to every single primate who has ever lived or will ever live anywhere in the known universe.
I blame Calvin.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 23, 2023 11:42 AM (/EuRN)
In that vein "The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath".
It's pretty clear outlined elsewhere that the rules exist to help people, they're not a purpose in and of themselves.
Hence “In everything do to others as you would have them do to you; for this is the law and the prophets”
But in the general application and thinking is hard, so we have a bunch of rules and systems to provide guidance.
Just yank any old quote out of a bible and say "Looooook! Words!!!!!" without five seconds of thought as to why it might not mean what you think it means, or that maybe this particular sequence of fifteen words you caged up like a zoo animal to gawp at may not be a universal diktat applicable at all times to every single primate who has ever lived or will ever live anywhere in the known universe.
I blame Calvin.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 23, 2023 11:42 AM (/EuRN)
In that vein "The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath".
It's pretty clear outlined elsewhere that the rules exist to help people, they're not a purpose in and of themselves.
Hence “In everything do to others as you would have them do to you; for this is the law and the prophets”
But in the general application and thinking is hard, so we have a bunch of rules and systems to provide guidance.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at August 23, 2023 11:47 AM (eYoxG)
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If you want to see property and sales tax receipts collapse, this is the plan.
Much like a lot of American businessmen, they don't think that far ahead.
Much like a lot of American businessmen, they don't think that far ahead.
Posted by: Ian S. at August 23, 2023 11:48 AM (2ocoG)
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If you want to see property and sales tax receipts collapse, this is the plan.
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They've already proven that taxes are not needed and are only punitive, so I doubt that even factors into the equation.
"Here's your money, cities."
- Federal Government Money Printing Department
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They've already proven that taxes are not needed and are only punitive, so I doubt that even factors into the equation.
"Here's your money, cities."
- Federal Government Money Printing Department
Posted by: Moron Robbie - To cheat with DeSantis they'll have to face themselves and admit they're soviet at August 23, 2023 11:48 AM (oZ23Y)
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243 The simplest explanation is found right in Joe's essay. Placing a bunch of mental incompetents in areas of great responsibility will lead to disastrous outcomes.
Even 'tards need representation!
Even 'tards need representation!
Posted by: Equity, man! at August 23, 2023 11:48 AM (fhX0j)
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"There is an overall WEF/China alliance against Liberty and America as we know it. It can no longer be denied"
Groups of fit, military age Chinese men, all carrying similar backpacks, are coming illegally across the US border with the Mexicans, South Americans, Arabs and Haitians.
But unfettered entry into the US is good. We can be sure that it's good because Washington tells us it's good, like Ray Epps pointing the way to the Capitol entrance for the even better good of protecting our precious democracy.
Speaking of good, "Dr. Science" Fauci now enjoys a multi-bazillion dollar estate in a good zip code you'll never be invited to enter, even if you're wearing one of those good N-95 masks being hauled out again for our own good.
Groups of fit, military age Chinese men, all carrying similar backpacks, are coming illegally across the US border with the Mexicans, South Americans, Arabs and Haitians.
But unfettered entry into the US is good. We can be sure that it's good because Washington tells us it's good, like Ray Epps pointing the way to the Capitol entrance for the even better good of protecting our precious democracy.
Speaking of good, "Dr. Science" Fauci now enjoys a multi-bazillion dollar estate in a good zip code you'll never be invited to enter, even if you're wearing one of those good N-95 masks being hauled out again for our own good.
Posted by: Ju at August 23, 2023 11:48 AM (aTmM/)
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252 "David refused to assassinate Saul on similar grounds."
there can be such cases, but to say "all governments are ordained by God" (my brief summary without checking the text) ... rather than something more pragmatic (like "obey the law when possible") seems to preclude things like the formation of the USA, or fighting in any war ... because all nations are fair and just.
I think most explanations are "apologies" for something that doesn't make sense, but I haven't read them all.
Posted by: illiniwek at August 23, 2023 11:47 AM (Cus5s)
It is essentially a general rule about being generally law-abiding. It does not assert the usurper(or conqueror) is legitimate or illegitimate by virtue of having usurped. The average Christian is to be generally lawful and has discretion between competing authorities.
Functionally those who would be authorities themselves are not particularly bound by it but exercising their own judgement.
there can be such cases, but to say "all governments are ordained by God" (my brief summary without checking the text) ... rather than something more pragmatic (like "obey the law when possible") seems to preclude things like the formation of the USA, or fighting in any war ... because all nations are fair and just.
I think most explanations are "apologies" for something that doesn't make sense, but I haven't read them all.
Posted by: illiniwek at August 23, 2023 11:47 AM (Cus5s)
It is essentially a general rule about being generally law-abiding. It does not assert the usurper(or conqueror) is legitimate or illegitimate by virtue of having usurped. The average Christian is to be generally lawful and has discretion between competing authorities.
Functionally those who would be authorities themselves are not particularly bound by it but exercising their own judgement.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at August 23, 2023 11:50 AM (eYoxG)
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256 243 The simplest explanation is found right in Joe's essay. Placing a bunch of mental incompetents in areas of great responsibility will lead to disastrous outcomes.
Even 'tards need representation!
Posted by: Equity, man! at August 23, 2023 11:48 AM (fhX0j)
Maheh heh eehhh!
Even 'tards need representation!
Posted by: Equity, man! at August 23, 2023 11:48 AM (fhX0j)
Maheh heh eehhh!
Posted by: Senator Fetterman at August 23, 2023 11:50 AM (KbCG3)
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In other words, God works through His plans in spite of the sinful desires of men, such as government.
The greatest example is found in Daniel of Babylon.
Daniel not only had to interpret a dream, he also had to do it without hearing it from Nebuchadnezzar. Yet Daniel did. That act made him one of the most powerful people, second to Nebuchadnezzar.
Which was useful, because otherwise who would be minding the store when Nebuchadnezzar was spending a few years out in the wilderness eating grass because God took his mind away?
Talk about playing the long game.
The greatest example is found in Daniel of Babylon.
Daniel not only had to interpret a dream, he also had to do it without hearing it from Nebuchadnezzar. Yet Daniel did. That act made him one of the most powerful people, second to Nebuchadnezzar.
Which was useful, because otherwise who would be minding the store when Nebuchadnezzar was spending a few years out in the wilderness eating grass because God took his mind away?
Talk about playing the long game.
Posted by: Reuben Hick at August 23, 2023 11:50 AM (p8A+W)
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yeah, I always wonder if Romans 13 was inserted after the fact, or if in those times, resisting government equaled death ... but it makes no sense to me, is certainly not aligned with old testament history. ... Some try to say the higher powers are "men of God" not government, but it sure seems to be speaking of governments.
Sure, don't resist the powers that be...unless those same powers contradict the common understanding of God's will. See: slavery, abortion.
Sure, don't resist the powers that be...unless those same powers contradict the common understanding of God's will. See: slavery, abortion.
Posted by: AmericanKestrel at August 23, 2023 11:51 AM (S5+ge)
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I hope they hit the right target, I guess...
@BNONews 1m
WATCH: Hundreds of shots being fired at a home in Pittsburgh, police standoff underway
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WATCH: Hundreds of shots being fired at a home in Pittsburgh, police standoff underway
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 23, 2023 11:51 AM (IG4Id)
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naturalflake @ 210-
That's exactly the reason why Brits adapted to Indian food. They originally ate it in India.
That's exactly the reason why Brits adapted to Indian food. They originally ate it in India.
Posted by: Eromero at August 23, 2023 11:51 AM (NxC5+)
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A thousand dead kids is nothing to these people. Shocked that people still can't see it. I give people too much credit.
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Fresh off of killing tens of thousands of elderly via their Covid policies, what's a few hundred kids?
But this time, they'll do the right thing .....
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Fresh off of killing tens of thousands of elderly via their Covid policies, what's a few hundred kids?
But this time, they'll do the right thing .....
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 23, 2023 11:51 AM (L8Ski)
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red pepper vs green beans - Szechwan edition
we're sitting in booth at a fancy Szechwan restaurant in Houston, very dimly lit, maybe a martini or two involved
I stick my fork into her plate to get one of those green beans she's pushing aside. Damn! that is one spicy bean! Sweating for a few minutes.
She casually eating away when I try for another. "You going to eat another one of those peppers?"
we're sitting in booth at a fancy Szechwan restaurant in Houston, very dimly lit, maybe a martini or two involved
I stick my fork into her plate to get one of those green beans she's pushing aside. Damn! that is one spicy bean! Sweating for a few minutes.
She casually eating away when I try for another. "You going to eat another one of those peppers?"
Posted by: DanMan at August 23, 2023 11:51 AM (wcu+j)
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- Federal Government Money Printing Department
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I want to revise that a bit. Part of the forced move to digital currency is so that people don't have to use wheelbarrows, so "printing" was inappropriate for that comment.
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I want to revise that a bit. Part of the forced move to digital currency is so that people don't have to use wheelbarrows, so "printing" was inappropriate for that comment.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - To cheat with DeSantis they'll have to face themselves and admit they're soviet at August 23, 2023 11:51 AM (oZ23Y)
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seems to preclude things like the formation of the USA, or fighting in any war ... because all nations are fair and just.
I think most explanations are "apologies" for something that doesn't make sense, but I haven't read them all.
Posted by: illiniwek at August 23, 2023 11:47 AM (Cus5s)
I'm curious, you think Paul was of the belief that governments were fair and just? Did his life experiences lead to a conclusion like that?
Did this approach which seems paradoxical to you lead to victory?
I think most explanations are "apologies" for something that doesn't make sense, but I haven't read them all.
Posted by: illiniwek at August 23, 2023 11:47 AM (Cus5s)
I'm curious, you think Paul was of the belief that governments were fair and just? Did his life experiences lead to a conclusion like that?
Did this approach which seems paradoxical to you lead to victory?
Posted by: Thesokorus at August 23, 2023 11:51 AM (/ZIxB)
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Remember, the early Church was very sus to the Roman authorities, so Paul had to play up the fact that they were not rabble-rousers, and remind his audience of that, too.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 23, 2023 11:51 AM (xTRSc)
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-Hawaii fires kill 1000+ - they don't give a shit
-Illegals drown In the Rio Grande to get here- TDGAS.
-Illegals kill and rob US citizens- TDGAS
-Withhold treatments for a virus that kills 100,000's-TDGAS
Just some examples. There are plent more. TDGAS.
-Hawaii fires kill 1000+ - they don't give a shit
-Illegals drown In the Rio Grande to get here- TDGAS.
-Illegals kill and rob US citizens- TDGAS
-Withhold treatments for a virus that kills 100,000's-TDGAS
Just some examples. There are plent more. TDGAS.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 23, 2023 11:52 AM (TZ75n)
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262 I hope they hit the right target, I guess...
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Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 23, 2023 11:51 AM (IG4Id)
They hate that home!
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Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 23, 2023 11:51 AM (IG4Id)
They hate that home!
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 23, 2023 11:52 AM (KbCG3)
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262 I hope they hit the right target, I guess...
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WATCH: Hundreds of shots being fired at a home in Pittsburgh, police standoff underway
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 23, 2023 11:51 AM (IG4Id)
Targeted house unscathed, remainder of cul-de-sac laid to waste. No pets survived. Details at 11.
@BNONews 1m
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Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 23, 2023 11:51 AM (IG4Id)
Targeted house unscathed, remainder of cul-de-sac laid to waste. No pets survived. Details at 11.
Posted by: Can Pitt cops shoot better than NYC cops? I just don't know at August 23, 2023 11:52 AM (fhX0j)
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Ruby Ridge procedures were followed.
Waco procedures were followed.
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Uvalde procedures were followed.
Perfectly trained to not take risks. Thinking is there but not to protect citizens.
Waco procedures were followed.
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Uvalde procedures were followed.
Perfectly trained to not take risks. Thinking is there but not to protect citizens.
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 23, 2023 11:53 AM (d/eST)
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So Austin is gonna shut down Franklin’s BBQ? Good luck.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at August 23, 2023 11:53 AM (u73oe)
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Our system of government is different (or supposed to be). We are supposed to have God-given rights to speak boldly and our Gov't is supposed to be comprised of us and be for us.
The reality is starkly different.
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Right, God is not responsible for every bunch of thugs and deceivers who claim the title of 'government' or the fact that weak willed fools obey them because they claim to be government.
The American people are the ultimate authority in this country, directly below God and above the state legislatures which produce and maintain the authority of the Constitution which permits the federal government to exist at all, and we should treat the progressive renegades in DC and so many other 'governments' accordingly.
The reality is starkly different.
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Right, God is not responsible for every bunch of thugs and deceivers who claim the title of 'government' or the fact that weak willed fools obey them because they claim to be government.
The American people are the ultimate authority in this country, directly below God and above the state legislatures which produce and maintain the authority of the Constitution which permits the federal government to exist at all, and we should treat the progressive renegades in DC and so many other 'governments' accordingly.
Posted by: Methos at August 23, 2023 11:53 AM (Dnobf)
Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 23, 2023 11:53 AM (ZYieD)
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WATCH: Hundreds of shots being fired at a home in Pittsburgh, police standoff underway
It was the oil cans.
It was the oil cans.
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 23, 2023 11:53 AM (d/eST)
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The world is a complicated place and it is impossible to have a rule - or set of rules, or set of sets of rules ad infinitum - that will cover all conditions.
Posted by: Joe Mannix at 11:00 AM
F*CK OFF!
Posted by: Joe Mannix at 11:00 AM
F*CK OFF!
Posted by: ChatGPT at August 23, 2023 11:54 AM (lQONO)
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here can be such cases, but to say "all governments are ordained by God" (my brief summary without checking the text) ... rather than something more pragmatic (like "obey the law when possible") seems to preclude things like the formation of the USA, or fighting in any war ... because all nations are fair and just.
It wasn't by accident that God put Paul in the times of Rome, rotting away in Nero's dungeons making the J6 prisoner incarceration look like a Maui five star hotel in comparison.
God already demonstrated that He would knock a prison down to rubble to release the apostle. So when Paul writes Romans 13, we don't poo-poo it and say it doesn't compare to our situation. It doesn't. His was far, far worse.
It wasn't by accident that God put Paul in the times of Rome, rotting away in Nero's dungeons making the J6 prisoner incarceration look like a Maui five star hotel in comparison.
God already demonstrated that He would knock a prison down to rubble to release the apostle. So when Paul writes Romans 13, we don't poo-poo it and say it doesn't compare to our situation. It doesn't. His was far, far worse.
Posted by: Reuben Hick at August 23, 2023 11:54 AM (p8A+W)
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But what if it was Hobbes doing?
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 23, 2023 11:55 AM (d/eST)
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I blame Calvin.
The Noodle Incident?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 23, 2023 11:54 AM (xTRSc)
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No one can prove it was him!
The Noodle Incident?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 23, 2023 11:54 AM (xTRSc)
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No one can prove it was him!
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight at August 23, 2023 11:55 AM (ScR16)
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Look the American Revolution was a criminal act. Definitionally.
That's why the Declaration of Independence was written. It was an affirmative defense.
And that's why all the usual suspects quote it in preference to the Constitution.
And respect it more than the Constitution.
It's a wild document full of extreme claims.
That's why the Declaration of Independence was written. It was an affirmative defense.
And that's why all the usual suspects quote it in preference to the Constitution.
And respect it more than the Constitution.
It's a wild document full of extreme claims.
Posted by: Thesokorus at August 23, 2023 11:56 AM (/ZIxB)
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>>>Everyone likely followed every guideline, rule, regulation and requirement.
Government does nothing well except theft and genocide. You are on your own.
Government does nothing well except theft and genocide. You are on your own.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at August 23, 2023 11:56 AM (B2F8a)
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Wait, there probably aren't any cul-de-sacs in Pittsburgh.
Posted by: Not exactly a quiet suburban community at August 23, 2023 11:56 AM (fhX0j)
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Speaking of digital currency, I wonder why Bill Gates is insisting that there's an "ID crisis" and everyone in the world needs a free digital ID created by his company?
Posted by: Moron Robbie - To cheat with DeSantis they'll have to face themselves and admit they're soviet at August 23, 2023 11:56 AM (oZ23Y)
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naturalflake @ 210-
That's exactly the reason why Brits adapted to Indian food. They originally ate it in India.
Posted by: Eromero at August 23, 2023 11:51 AM (NxC5+)
Makes sense, right?
One of those things you see almost universally in chronically hot or tropical countries.
That's exactly the reason why Brits adapted to Indian food. They originally ate it in India.
Posted by: Eromero at August 23, 2023 11:51 AM (NxC5+)
Makes sense, right?
One of those things you see almost universally in chronically hot or tropical countries.
Posted by: naturalfake at August 23, 2023 11:56 AM (QzZeQ)
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Government at all levels is filled by buffoons, balloon heads, incompetents, rapists, lackeys, layabouts, cretins, degenerates, sexual deviants, sodomites, rapists and neer do wells.
Avoid government and lead a happy life.
Avoid government and lead a happy life.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 23, 2023 11:57 AM (ae93S)
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272 I always think this stuff started with Hill Street Blues, with the old Sarge at the end of roll call saying let's be safe out there. Sometimes you can't be safe. Like the old Coast Guard mantra "you have to go out but you don't have to come back".
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at August 23, 2023 11:57 AM (0EOe9)
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Speaking of digital currency, I wonder why Bill Gates is insisting that there's an "ID crisis" and everyone in the world needs a free digital ID created by his company?
You must be of the Body...
You must be of the Body...
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 23, 2023 11:57 AM (d/eST)
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Right, God is not responsible for every bunch of thugs and deceivers who claim the title of 'government' or the fact that weak willed fools obey them because they claim to be government.
God absolutely is responsible. God says more than once that He alone decides a nation's borders and determines who are the kings and princes.
Nebuchadnezzar, a tyrannical despot of the worst kind, was called "My Servant" by God Himself.
Egypt's Pharaoh was God's cat-toy before Pharaoh practically begged the Hebrews to leave Egypt and take most of the country's wealth with them.
You really need to meditate more on Theodicy.
God absolutely is responsible. God says more than once that He alone decides a nation's borders and determines who are the kings and princes.
Nebuchadnezzar, a tyrannical despot of the worst kind, was called "My Servant" by God Himself.
Egypt's Pharaoh was God's cat-toy before Pharaoh practically begged the Hebrews to leave Egypt and take most of the country's wealth with them.
You really need to meditate more on Theodicy.
Posted by: Reuben Hick at August 23, 2023 11:57 AM (p8A+W)
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261 yeah, I always wonder if Romans 13 was inserted after the fact, or if in those times, resisting government equaled death ... but it makes no sense to me, is certainly not aligned with old testament history. ... Some try to say the higher powers are "men of God" not government, but it sure seems to be speaking of governments.
Sure, don't resist the powers that be...unless those same powers contradict the common understanding of God's will. See: slavery, abortion.
Posted by: AmericanKestrel at August 23, 2023 11:51 AM (S5+ge)
Or early prohibitions on Christian practice as was directly relevant. The rules have a hierarchy to them and are all derivative of the central principle to begin with. If the rules violate the principle, such as not healing on the Sabbath, then the rule is to be disregarded, not the principle.
Sure, don't resist the powers that be...unless those same powers contradict the common understanding of God's will. See: slavery, abortion.
Posted by: AmericanKestrel at August 23, 2023 11:51 AM (S5+ge)
Or early prohibitions on Christian practice as was directly relevant. The rules have a hierarchy to them and are all derivative of the central principle to begin with. If the rules violate the principle, such as not healing on the Sabbath, then the rule is to be disregarded, not the principle.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at August 23, 2023 11:57 AM (eYoxG)
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Im reading the police chief in the Maui area is the same one behind the disastrous response to the Las Vegas shooting
The same... fucking... guy...
The same... fucking... guy...
Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - Longing to Lie in Zooey Deschanel's Bosom for Comfort at August 23, 2023 11:57 AM (VTu1l)
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Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 23, 2023 11:57 AM (ae93S)
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You said "rapists" twice.
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You said "rapists" twice.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight at August 23, 2023 11:58 AM (ScR16)
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The active shooter is in the Garfield section of Pgh. One of the many festering shithole neighborhoods within that city.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 23, 2023 11:58 AM (TZ75n)
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The sirens were not activated because they were designed to be able to warn the people about a tsunami coming ashore.
When sounded people were supposed to run away from the water.
In this case that is NOT what you wanted them to do.
When sounded people were supposed to run away from the water.
In this case that is NOT what you wanted them to do.
Posted by: Paul at August 23, 2023 11:58 AM (n9aij)
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It's been a good day. Just finished up drilling the 14th oil well this morning, now it's time for a bite to eat. I like me
a sammich, B.O.L.O.G.N.A. that's what I'm talking about!
It's been a good day. Just finished up drilling the 14th oil well this morning, now it's time for a bite to eat. I like me
a sammich, B.O.L.O.G.N.A. that's what I'm talking about!
Posted by: Jimmy Carter at August 23, 2023 11:59 AM (X4yCj)
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Good thread.
There are many places, such as civil service, where being an outlier is not desirable. However, outlier behavior often works quite well for the privileged. It depends.
There are many places, such as civil service, where being an outlier is not desirable. However, outlier behavior often works quite well for the privileged. It depends.
Posted by: L - Practice makes perfect. They know their enemy at August 23, 2023 11:59 AM (GshMh)
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296 Hey, Paul, if the sirens sounded don't you think they would run away from a wall of flame?
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at August 23, 2023 12:00 PM (0EOe9)
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I don't know about you but when I hear a siren I immediately want to run to the fire.
Instinct.
Instinct.
Posted by: Bosk of Port Kar at August 23, 2023 12:00 PM (VMFAF)
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I love sushi !
Posted by: Amber Heard at August 23, 2023 12:00 PM (us2H3)
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Why is everyone obsessing about the sirens when the government of Hawai'i has the capability of sending out emergency alert messages.
Like the false alarm over a missile attack?
Why wasn't it used here?
Like the false alarm over a missile attack?
Why wasn't it used here?
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 23, 2023 12:00 PM (d/eST)
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Look the American Revolution was a criminal act. Definitionally.
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Which God blessed with success.
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Which God blessed with success.
Posted by: Methos at August 23, 2023 12:00 PM (Dnobf)
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Paul, you ignorant slut.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at August 23, 2023 12:00 PM (u73oe)
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225 Wipe out the next generations of people who have some ancestral ties to the land and their homes, so there's less objection when the monied class swoops in to scoop up all of the fire-ravaged properties.
Yup. Rich Democrats have a problem with vacation spots like Maui, and it's that people live there who aren't them and their friends.
Posted by: Ian S. at August 23, 2023 11:42 AM
The locals hate the rich white people buying up property. The only people they consider to be okay are the Portuguese. Everyone else is haole.
Yup. Rich Democrats have a problem with vacation spots like Maui, and it's that people live there who aren't them and their friends.
Posted by: Ian S. at August 23, 2023 11:42 AM
The locals hate the rich white people buying up property. The only people they consider to be okay are the Portuguese. Everyone else is haole.
Posted by: CaliGirl at August 23, 2023 12:00 PM (ocULy)
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The sirens were not activated because they were designed to be able to warn the people about a tsunami coming ashore.
**************
Fuck off and die "Paul"
These were not exclusive tsunami sirens ass fucking hole
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Fuck off and die "Paul"
These were not exclusive tsunami sirens ass fucking hole
Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - Longing to Lie in Zooey Deschanel's Bosom for Comfort at August 23, 2023 12:01 PM (VTu1l)
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299 296 Hey, Paul, if the sirens sounded don't you think they would run away from a wall of flame?
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at August 23, 2023 12:00 PM (0EOe9)
Everyone knows Hawaiians are human moths.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at August 23, 2023 12:00 PM (0EOe9)
Everyone knows Hawaiians are human moths.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 23, 2023 12:01 PM (KbCG3)
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And here's the truth:
CBS News
"Hawaii Gov. Josh Green tells "Face the Nation" that the failure of the now-resigned Maui Emergency Management Agency Administrator was "utterly unsatisfactory, to the world." "Of course, as a person, as a father, as a doctor, I wish all the sirens went off," Green said."
https://tinyurl.com/26u33o9f
CBS News
"Hawaii Gov. Josh Green tells "Face the Nation" that the failure of the now-resigned Maui Emergency Management Agency Administrator was "utterly unsatisfactory, to the world." "Of course, as a person, as a father, as a doctor, I wish all the sirens went off," Green said."
https://tinyurl.com/26u33o9f
Posted by: Moron Robbie - The EPA has determined US has cooled since 1948 at August 23, 2023 12:01 PM (NdB+W)
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What we are seeing in Maui, Flint, et. al., is the reduction of human intelligence to AI-level intelligence. And that's not a good thing.
Posted by: can of spam
THIS! ^^^^^^
Posted by: can of spam
THIS! ^^^^^^
Posted by: Drink Like Vikings at August 23, 2023 12:01 PM (s7THu)
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296 The sirens were not activated because they were designed to be able to warn the people about a tsunami coming ashore.
When sounded people were supposed to run away from the water.
so intelligent dim design
gotta love it
When sounded people were supposed to run away from the water.
so intelligent dim design
gotta love it
Posted by: Amber Heard at August 23, 2023 12:01 PM (us2H3)
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The American people are the ultimate authority in this country, directly below God
Somewhere Church, Family and Community fit in before Individual.
Most people are sheep and require a shepherd. The Church, Family and Community provide the guardrails to individual ambition.
Say what you want about Patriarchy, but the world was a whole lot less fucked up when Biblical principles of headship were actively observed.
Somewhere Church, Family and Community fit in before Individual.
Most people are sheep and require a shepherd. The Church, Family and Community provide the guardrails to individual ambition.
Say what you want about Patriarchy, but the world was a whole lot less fucked up when Biblical principles of headship were actively observed.
Posted by: Reuben Hick at August 23, 2023 12:01 PM (p8A+W)
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Straining at gnats while swallowing wasps.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 23, 2023 12:01 PM (RmV2O)
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Uvalde taught us that is you think and act in the best interest of yourself, your family and fellow citizens, you will be arrested.
Posted by: Crazy to be sane at August 23, 2023 12:02 PM (KeeVa)
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Paul needs to be the guest of honor at the next long pig luau to honor Captain Cook's visit to the islands.
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 23, 2023 12:02 PM (d/eST)
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My wife and I like to joke that the Brits conquered India to get decent cuisine.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 23, 2023 12:02 PM (xTRSc)
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302 Every day, more and more, should tell us we're just on our own when the SHTF.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at August 23, 2023 12:02 PM (0EOe9)
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I guess we finally found the demographic that the left believes is more stupid than black people.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - The EPA has determined US has cooled since 1948 at August 23, 2023 12:02 PM (NdB+W)
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"Hawaii Gov. Josh Green tells "Face the Nation" that the failure of the now-resigned Maui Emergency Management Agency Administrator was "utterly unsatisfactory, to the world." "Of course, as a person, as a father, as a doctor, I wish all the sirens went off," Green said." ...
Posted by: Moron Robbie - The EPA has determined US has cooled since 1948 at August 23, 2023 12:01 PM (NdB+W)
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The scapegoat has apparently been identified. All failures shall be downstream from this one, and the sacrificial lamb has been appropriately sacrificed through the worst of all bureaucratic reprisals: unemployment.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - The EPA has determined US has cooled since 1948 at August 23, 2023 12:01 PM (NdB+W)
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The scapegoat has apparently been identified. All failures shall be downstream from this one, and the sacrificial lamb has been appropriately sacrificed through the worst of all bureaucratic reprisals: unemployment.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 23, 2023 12:02 PM (t0OGg)
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315 My wife and I like to joke that the Brits conquered India to get decent cuisine.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 23, 2023 12:02 PM (xTRSc)
Or ANY cuisine for that matter.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 23, 2023 12:02 PM (xTRSc)
Or ANY cuisine for that matter.
Posted by: Brit "cuisine" at August 23, 2023 12:03 PM (fhX0j)
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Morning Joe gets paid to shit the bed
Posted by: Amber Heard at August 23, 2023 12:03 PM (us2H3)
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Situation in Pittsburgh said to have started with the serving of an eviction notice.
Posted by: db (lowercase since 2008) back from a 2 year break at August 23, 2023 12:03 PM (wu87C)
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303 Look the American Revolution was a criminal act. Definitionally.
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Which God blessed with success.
Posted by: Methos at August 23, 2023 12:00 PM (Dnobf)
There is no presumption of favor to the replacing or the replaced government. In that context, between competing authorities, the rank and file Christian must exercise their own judgement.
One who is capable of being an authority must make their own judgement as to whether the cost of revolution to the people is worth the benefits. It's what they're more naturally capable of to begin with.
People with different resources and capabilities have different obligations and guidelines to follow. "If anyone causes one of these little ones—those who believe in me—to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea" applies to rulers and the masses as much as it applies to regular children.
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Which God blessed with success.
Posted by: Methos at August 23, 2023 12:00 PM (Dnobf)
There is no presumption of favor to the replacing or the replaced government. In that context, between competing authorities, the rank and file Christian must exercise their own judgement.
One who is capable of being an authority must make their own judgement as to whether the cost of revolution to the people is worth the benefits. It's what they're more naturally capable of to begin with.
People with different resources and capabilities have different obligations and guidelines to follow. "If anyone causes one of these little ones—those who believe in me—to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea" applies to rulers and the masses as much as it applies to regular children.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at August 23, 2023 12:03 PM (eYoxG)
Posted by: Root of all evil! at August 23, 2023 12:04 PM (fhX0j)
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The scapegoat has apparently been identified. All failures shall be downstream from this one, and the sacrificial lamb has been appropriately sacrificed through the worst of all bureaucratic reprisals: unemployment.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)
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Poor guy, resigning with an intact home and full benefits from two retirement systems.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)
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Poor guy, resigning with an intact home and full benefits from two retirement systems.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - The EPA has determined US has cooled since 1948 at August 23, 2023 12:04 PM (NdB+W)
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Bet the fired MEMA administrator will be hired by the office of Sen. Hirano. In DC.
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 23, 2023 12:04 PM (d/eST)
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296 The sirens were not activated because they were designed to be able to warn the people about a tsunami coming ashore.
When sounded people were supposed to run away from the water.
In this case that is NOT what you wanted them to do.
Posted by: Paul at August 23, 2023 11:58 AM (n9aij)
The sirens blaring would have made people go outside and look around. They'd see the fire and smoke and have an opportunity to decide to stay or go. Exactly what needed to happen.
When sounded people were supposed to run away from the water.
In this case that is NOT what you wanted them to do.
Posted by: Paul at August 23, 2023 11:58 AM (n9aij)
The sirens blaring would have made people go outside and look around. They'd see the fire and smoke and have an opportunity to decide to stay or go. Exactly what needed to happen.
Posted by: Gref at August 23, 2023 12:04 PM (AMIL/)
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321 Situation in Pittsburgh said to have started with the serving of an eviction notice.
so now, Mame is serving eviction notices
so now, Mame is serving eviction notices
Posted by: Amber Heard at August 23, 2023 12:04 PM (us2H3)
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What we are seeing in Maui, Flint, et. al., is the reduction of human intelligence to AI-level intelligence. And that's not a good thing.
Right now, I'm jamming out a software project by myself that before adoption of AI would take a team.
With augmented intelligence, I can develop a complex software solution at the speed of thought rather than fooling around worrying about syntax, algorithms and boilerplate.
Heck, with good comments AI writes my unit tests to about 80% accuracy. Coverage jumps now to 85% and knocks off multiple man-days from my timeline.
Right now, I'm jamming out a software project by myself that before adoption of AI would take a team.
With augmented intelligence, I can develop a complex software solution at the speed of thought rather than fooling around worrying about syntax, algorithms and boilerplate.
Heck, with good comments AI writes my unit tests to about 80% accuracy. Coverage jumps now to 85% and knocks off multiple man-days from my timeline.
Posted by: Reuben Hick at August 23, 2023 12:05 PM (p8A+W)
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Noodus Ace
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at August 23, 2023 12:06 PM (J2vNu)
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Heck, with good comments AI writes my unit tests to about 80% accuracy. Coverage jumps now to 85% and knocks off multiple man-days from my timeline.
Posted by: Reuben Hick at August 23, 2023 12:05 PM (p8A+W)
The trouble comes when it knocks off 100% of the man-days from the timeline.
Heck, with good comments AI writes my unit tests to about 80% accuracy. Coverage jumps now to 85% and knocks off multiple man-days from my timeline.
Posted by: Reuben Hick at August 23, 2023 12:05 PM (p8A+W)
The trouble comes when it knocks off 100% of the man-days from the timeline.
Posted by: AI's gonna replace us all! at August 23, 2023 12:06 PM (fhX0j)
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NOOD Lionsgate
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 23, 2023 12:06 PM (ynpvh)
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God absolutely is responsible. God says more than once that He alone decides a nation's borders and determines who are the kings and princes.
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Maybe you should try to square that with the fact that sin is a thing, rather than pretending we're (and in this case the fiends that run governments) all God's faithful puppets.
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Maybe you should try to square that with the fact that sin is a thing, rather than pretending we're (and in this case the fiends that run governments) all God's faithful puppets.
Posted by: Methos at August 23, 2023 12:07 PM (Dnobf)
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"I'm curious, you think Paul was of the belief that governments were fair and just? Did his life experiences lead to a conclusion like that? Did this approach which seems paradoxical to you lead to victory?" Posted by: Thesokorus
Well I inserted "fair and just" for ordained by God, and that resistance yielded damnation. I think that is the language in question. To say ... "but at times resistance is OK and even preferred" is inserting "text" that does not exist.
I forget if Paul was in prison when he wrote Romans ... certainly he was warned by prophets "don't go to Jerusalem" but he went anyway. ... But Romans 13 sounds like a hostage transcript that found its way into the text. heh
Well I inserted "fair and just" for ordained by God, and that resistance yielded damnation. I think that is the language in question. To say ... "but at times resistance is OK and even preferred" is inserting "text" that does not exist.
I forget if Paul was in prison when he wrote Romans ... certainly he was warned by prophets "don't go to Jerusalem" but he went anyway. ... But Romans 13 sounds like a hostage transcript that found its way into the text. heh
Posted by: illiniwek at August 23, 2023 12:08 PM (Cus5s)
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"Hey, we got him. Man, this wire guided missile stuff we got from the PA guard really works. We're real sorry about the collateral damage, especially the dogs and the stuff the neighbors lost, but case closed. Off to Primanti's for a sammich and an ice cold Iron City.
Some Pittsburgh PD spokesman
Some Pittsburgh PD spokesman
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at August 23, 2023 12:10 PM (0EOe9)
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There is no presumption of favor to the replacing or the replaced government. In that context, between competing authorities, the rank and file Christian must exercise their own judgement.
Also, the individuals weren't acting as individuals, they acted within the realm of casting off a corrupt government and replacing it with a Just government.
Joshua was sent into Canaan to wipe out all of the competing governments, not because of Joshua's personal ambition and rebellion to a particular government, rather as a practical matter of what do you do with millions of people who are antithetical to the existing establishment.
Also, the individuals weren't acting as individuals, they acted within the realm of casting off a corrupt government and replacing it with a Just government.
Joshua was sent into Canaan to wipe out all of the competing governments, not because of Joshua's personal ambition and rebellion to a particular government, rather as a practical matter of what do you do with millions of people who are antithetical to the existing establishment.
Posted by: Reuben Hick at August 23, 2023 12:11 PM (p8A+W)
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Just the Eloi following the sirens of the Morlocks.
Posted by: KungPow at August 23, 2023 12:11 PM (u5v20)
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It's a situation which would fit in perfectly with the movie Brazil.
Posted by: InZona at August 23, 2023 12:14 PM (+AJSk)
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@250 Thomas Bender-Are you trying to imply that the Never Trumpers now were Pro-Reagan or are Reagan worshippers? If you are you're dead wrong. Go read George Wills book The Morning After that came out after Reagans eight years all the way to George Will to his opinion of Trump today.
Posted by: JROD at August 23, 2023 12:16 PM (IlL6s)
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Somewhere Church, Family and Community fit in before Individual.
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That is incorrect. God creates the individual in His image granting the Rights we recognize. He brings the individual to faith - the Church is just a way of describing the totality of those actions. Community is similarly just a way of describing a bunch of individuals.
Family is only of value to the extent that it doesn't contradict the individual's obligations to God. Jesus was quite clear about the fact that His Gospel would break up existing families as conversions happened.
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That is incorrect. God creates the individual in His image granting the Rights we recognize. He brings the individual to faith - the Church is just a way of describing the totality of those actions. Community is similarly just a way of describing a bunch of individuals.
Family is only of value to the extent that it doesn't contradict the individual's obligations to God. Jesus was quite clear about the fact that His Gospel would break up existing families as conversions happened.
Posted by: Methos at August 23, 2023 12:19 PM (Dnobf)
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You will never understand bureaucracies until you understand that for bureaucrats procedure is everything and outcomes are nothing.
Thomas Sowell
Thomas Sowell
Posted by: Hal Dall MD at August 23, 2023 12:23 PM (CMNTi)
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American medicine is rapidly becoming as rigidly rule based as what in described. Medicrats' "guidelines" are rules, rules are laws, and lawbreakers must be punished. A doc in Dallas Oregon had his license revoked for openly and vocally refusing masks for Covid. Soon, any doc "violating guidelines" for any of a host of conditions/treatments will be drawn through the regulatory knothole. When the rules lead to death, "too bad, so sad" as in Maui.
Posted by: Hal Dall MD at August 23, 2023 12:34 PM (CMNTi)
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"Go read George Wills book..."
George Wills blew kisses at Pants Crease.
Haven't bothered with him since.
George Wills blew kisses at Pants Crease.
Haven't bothered with him since.
Posted by: Ju at August 23, 2023 12:37 PM (aTmM/)
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Military regs are written in blood. They exist because someone died over a mistake and the reg is written to prevent future deaths.
Deaths don't drive bureaucracies, hence Hawaii.
Deaths don't drive bureaucracies, hence Hawaii.
Posted by: Patrick Carroll at August 23, 2023 01:00 PM (7Ozoq)
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And further, why didn't some man with balls, in the face of mortal danger, act to remove that 'official' impediment to safety - by whatever means necessary?
Posted by: Tonypete
Exactly!
Such good comments here, and questions, that probably no one will answer. The reason some rules were followed and some weren't is clear to me: the rules that punished the people were enforced, the rules that protected the people (like clearing flammable grasses) were not. To them, the people are the enemy. Never been clearer.
Posted by: Tonypete
Exactly!
Such good comments here, and questions, that probably no one will answer. The reason some rules were followed and some weren't is clear to me: the rules that punished the people were enforced, the rules that protected the people (like clearing flammable grasses) were not. To them, the people are the enemy. Never been clearer.
Posted by: PJ at August 23, 2023 01:03 PM (G1dq6)
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Soon rules will be replaced...we'll have AI!! Oh joy!!
Posted by: with all possible dispatch at August 23, 2023 01:04 PM (nakGR)
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While I agree with you regarding rules, the problem is how many stupid people there are. Often, rules get invented b/c someone did something so stupid in a situation, a rule had to be created to ensure that didn't happen again. So, it's a circular type argument often - we wish there were more people who could think for themselves and not so many rules, but we run into idiots who without rules, will always make the wrong decision.
Posted by: I forgot my name b/c I haven't posted in 6 months at August 23, 2023 01:04 PM (ky+MF)
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My company is always adding rules and "best practices" which don't do anything much but look good when outside auditors come in. It's so much fun. 
Posted by: Jon at August 23, 2023 02:31 PM (H4mKV)
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240 There is no Cult of Trump, as discussed in the recent unpleasant thread.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 23, 2023 11:45 AM (L8Ski)
LOL a meme is born
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 23, 2023 11:45 AM (L8Ski)
LOL a meme is born
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Biden's not Welcome in Hawaii this must have the M.S. Media puzzled
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Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)
News/Chat