Keep an eye on California (even though there's a lot going on in D.C.)

Last Year:

Gavin Newsom demands answers from whoever is running California

Babylon Bee, January 2022

This year:

Governor Of State People Are Fleeing From Agrees To Debate Governor Of State They Are Fleeing To

Governor Of State People Are Fleeing From Agrees To Debate Governor Of State They Are Fleeing To https://t.co/3gmsv3E3n0 pic.twitter.com/Gpz4CsWxsZ
— The Babylon Bee (@TheBabylonBee) August 3, 2023

Gavin Newsom really wants to be president.

Story:

When Vice President Kamala Harris rejected Gov. Ron DeSantis's (R-FL) offer to sit down and hash out their debate over Florida curriculum standards pertaining to the teaching of slavery, Gov. Gavin Newsom (D-CA) saw an opportunity. The governors of Florida and California have now tentatively agreed to debate on prime time, with Fox News's Sean Hannity moderating.
Newsom is the wannabee backup to President Joe Biden who insists he isn't hoping to unseat the 80-year-old president for the Democratic nomination (or the first female and first black and Asian American vice president whom he considers a friend, for that matter). DeSantis is the Republican whose 20-point transformation of a former purple state was supposed to portend the future of the party. And yet, both have remained solidly B-list, waiting in the wings for two senior citizens older than the average American male life expectancy to bow out from politics or, more realistically, perish.

This piece goes on to discuss the personal strengths and weaknesses of the two men, linking another article on Gavin Newsom's messy personal life. How did I miss that Newsom had had problems with alcoholism? The writer here almost reminds us that Newsom was the guy they sent to rescue Kamala Harris from her failed primary bid so that she could be nominated for VP. Is it a complication that they are friends?

There is a lot of negative content about Newsom here:

Newsom's least problematic romantic liaison was arguably his marriage to Kimberly Guilfoyle, who has been the girlfriend (now fiancee) of Donald Trump Jr. for the last five years. While Newsom and Guilfoyle were in the process of divorcing, the then-San Francisco mayor had an affair with his secretary -- who also happened to be married to one of his best friends -- and siphoned off $10,000 in public funds to her. Right before the news broke, Newsom, then pushing 40, began dating a series of outlandish partners: a Scientologist who controversially took him to a public event sponsored by the cult, a reality television star, and a literal teenager. Newsom would later blame the I-banged-my-secretary incident on his alcoholism, but as evidenced by that infamous French Laundry incident, Newsom still drinks alcohol to this day. (Reporters later figured out that he never actually went to rehab, despite saying he did so at the time of the scandal.)
Now, this is all the scandalous stuff that's already out in the open. While it would certainly be relitigated in the same way the Willie Brown stuff was in 2019, it is technically already public knowledge, meaning that its influence on public opinion is at least partially baked into Newsom's polling.
But select Democratic operatives in California are sitting on an alleged treasure trove of juicy oppo. . .

The Washinton Examiner also published another piece on the DeSantis acceptance of the challenge from Newsom. Do you think it was a good idea?

The Washington Examiner understands that DeSantis intends to take every opportunity that comes his way to present to the country what he believes the ultimate choice to be in 2024: decline or revival. This may come in the form of confronting prominent Biden adjacent figures such as Harris and Newsom.
This strategy could be hit or miss for the Florida Republican, according to political strategists and pollsters. While some praised the idea as a smart move in an unusual media environment, others dismissed it as desperate.
According to Republican strategist Ron Bonjean, this is "a smart strategy to impress voters" but only so long as "he can prove that he is effective at scoring points against a leading Democratic player." . .
"I think right now DeSantis is struggling and scrambling to get some air. So to do something like this could help at least provide him some headlines that get away from Trump, which is what he desperately needs," said pollster Doug Usher.
However, he added, "You just don't look presidential when you go up against people who aren't running for president." . .

Biden made it clear that the indictments against Trump are political by referring to the latest one in an ad for a Dark Brandon Coffee Mug. Trump news really does suck the air out of the media environment. Even the NYT makes the Trump primary race sound exciting. (Link to Ann Althouse)

Ready for a fourth Obama term? Think Gavin Newsom would go for this? Remember, to a large extent, personnel is policy. The Biden Administration is full of Obama people.

You may have caught Ace's piece yesterday on the Tablet interview of Obama (and MLK) biographer David Garrow. I read most of the interview (see short outline here) and thought that two very interesting points were Obama's interests in self-invention and legacy. Apparently foreign relations was where he thought his legacy would be made. Specifically, cozying up to Iran and distancing the USA from Israel. The Tablet interview revealed some antisemitism in Obama's personal life. Would Newsom be willing to help Obama secure his dream legacy?

Have the Democrats got prospects other than Newsom or Harris? You know it's not gonna be Dark Brandon. The Democrats need to find a way to usher him out.

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Ramshackle Chinese Biolab in Reedley, California

Yesterday, Ace featured David Strom's piece on the illegal Chinese biolab in Reedley, California which was subsidized by Gavin Newsom. Strom's story mentioned some recent scattered local stories in addition to the scant national coverage. I saw a couple of local pieces, and heard some radio coverage, which tended to carefully support the responses of local law enforcement agencies, represented with guests on talk radio shows. That was in late July. I was interested to note that the initial code violations were spotted as a result of a garden hose strung into a warehouse. I have been in a warehouse in that general area which was shut down for code violations, also discovered because of a garden hose strung into the warehouse. Small world. Though no COVID-infected lab mice were involved in the warehouse I saw. It was just a machine shop. But the "Officials" were keeping a close eye on when and how the owners fixed code violations.

The code enforcement officer who discovered the illegal lab described what she found yesterday for the Fresno Bee. "The lab inside the warehouse in downtown Reedley operated from December through March, when city officials deemed the building unsafe and padlocked it. The removal of equipment, medical devices and chemicals inside may take another month or two." WHAT? I know that several local, state and federal agencies have been involved. Still, what's taking so long?

As Victor Davis Hanson pointed out in Mexifornia: A State of Becoming, building code violations are a big deal for people with money in California, but not so much for compounds where illegal immigrants live. There, electrical wires and panels can be installed willy-nilly with impunity.

I got to thinking that Reedley is not too far from where Victor Davis Hanson lives. It's an area with gorgeous fruit orchards and a river that flooded this spring. It turns out that VDH worked packing fruit as a teenager in the very building where the nefarious illegal lab was found!

He emphasized that the lab was closed in March, but that even local stories have only been heard and seen in the past few weeks. Why???? In the Victor Hanson podcast from August 2, with Jack Fowler, the pertinent segment runs from 1:44 minutes to 18:00 minutes. Since the principals behind the lab have sort of disappeared, he suggests some reasons the lab could have become located in an obscure rural place like Reedley. Unsettling.

This develops into a discussion of the differences in the ways the USA treats China vs. Russia in politics and popular culture (with some discussion of differences under recent administrations). This is a detailed and nuanced discussion. Recommended, even if you don't agree with every point.

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Another Great California Policy

I�ve read this over and over. I can see no other interpretation than California has officially legalized being a flasher or peeping Tom as long as you enter a women�s facility to do it.

It is illegal to have a private space for women only in California. 1/
— Jennifer 🟥🔴🧙‍♀️🦉🐈‍⬛ 🦖 (@babybeginner) August 4, 2023

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Weekend: Remember the Kids

It's fascinating how as adults we forget crucial lessons that children know instinctively.

The most important thing in life is to keep getting back up when you fall down. A "successful" person is almost always someone who got up one more time than he fell down. pic.twitter.com/N9DEfumvwW
— Konstantin Kisin (@KonstantinKisin) August 3, 2023

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Music

Surfin' USA

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Hope you have something nice planned for this weekend.

This is the Thread before the Gardening Thread.

Serving your mid-day open thread needs

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Last week's thread, July 29, Barbie, the Politician

Comments are closed so you won't ban yourself by trying to comment on a week-old thread. But don't try it anyway.

Posted by: K.T. at 11:08 AM

Comments

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1 Darn it! Stopped to read the content.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at August 05, 2023 11:11 AM (QNSds)

2 Oh and I still got a first!

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at August 05, 2023 11:11 AM (QNSds)

3 Slackers.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at August 05, 2023 11:12 AM (QNSds)

4 Wow! Lots of great content, KT

Posted by: Prime Sister at August 05, 2023 11:12 AM (tQL7r)

5 I wonder if that code inspector was in the area looking for drug labs.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at August 05, 2023 11:15 AM (QNSds)

6 frist

Posted by: MAxIE at August 05, 2023 11:16 AM (twxj3)

7 Good morning KT

Gruesome is my odds on favorite for the Deep State Puppet

Posted by: Skip at August 05, 2023 11:16 AM (MOY79)

8 Newsom is a pretty slimy character.

Posted by: BignJames at August 05, 2023 11:17 AM (AwYPR)

9 While Newsom and Guilfoyle were in the process of divorcing, the then-San Francisco mayor had an affair with his secretary -- who also happened to be married to one of his best friends -- and siphoned off $10,000 in public funds to her. Right before the news broke, Newsom, then pushing 40, began dating a series of outlandish partners: a Scientologist who controversially took him to a public event sponsored by the cult, a reality television star, and a literal teenager. Newsom would later blame the I-banged-my-secretary incident on his alcoholism, but as evidenced by that infamous French Laundry incident, Newsom still drinks alcohol to this day

Oh, yippee. This guy will fit right in to DC and all of Stan's spawn there.

Posted by: Prime Sister at August 05, 2023 11:18 AM (tQL7r)

10 He's got great hair.

Posted by: AWFLs at August 05, 2023 11:19 AM (NBVIP)

11 The most important thing in life is to keep getting back up when you fall down. A "successful" person is almost always someone who got up one more time than he fell down.

Wish this had been posted in the prayer thread. There's a Bible verse that says this very thing.

Posted by: Prime Sister at August 05, 2023 11:21 AM (tQL7r)

12 What kind of dump is he standing in?

Posted by: Infidel at August 05, 2023 11:21 AM (JEuTj)

13 What kind of dump is he standing in?
Posted by: Infidel

I assumed it was somewhere in beautiful Cully-fornyah.

Posted by: Prime Sister at August 05, 2023 11:23 AM (tQL7r)

14 >>Since the principals behind the lab have sort of disappeared,

CA reporter's done some digging on Prestige Biotech - only more questions than answers.
https://tinyurl.com/2rejk6yt

Posted by: Lizzy at August 05, 2023 11:23 AM (avru5)

15 What kind of dump is he standing in?

I think those are the railroad tracks outside of the LA station, where people would steal stuff off the trains (Amazon shipments, etc.)

Posted by: KT at August 05, 2023 11:23 AM (rrtZS)

16 Prime Sister at August 05, 2023 11:21 AM

No reason we need to stop praying just because it's a new thread.

Posted by: KT at August 05, 2023 11:25 AM (rrtZS)

17 Newsome's such a loathsome pile of ...

He's a phonier Joel Osteen.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at August 05, 2023 11:25 AM (roH4R)

18 What kind of dump is he standing in?
Posted by: Infidel

On further inspection....I think that's the railway area in CA where a ton of Amazon packages ended up. By mistake

Posted by: Prime Sister at August 05, 2023 11:25 AM (tQL7r)

19 Gavin looks like Mayor Pete with a personal trainer's cock in his ass.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at August 05, 2023 11:25 AM (KVGVf)

20 Is Newsome Nancy Pelosi's nephew? I heard that somewhere.

Posted by: nurse ratched, otter 841 superfan! at August 05, 2023 11:26 AM (U2p+3)

21 The most important thing in life is to keep getting back up when you fall down. A "successful" person is almost always someone who got up one more time than he fell down.

Failures are the rungs on the ladder to success.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * Ungovernable at August 05, 2023 11:26 AM (Qm4V8)

22 Crap I was talking to myself on the last thread.

White scum bucket executes Black cop in Temple, PA.

I wonder if he was part of Antifa or just a low life criminal.

I would have a hard time taking him alive but the US Marshals did. Cases like this should be a one day trial followed immediately by a hanging.

And two Orlando cops in critical condition after a traffic stop shooting. Perp still on the run . No description given.

These cops unfortunately needed more training because the car they pulled over was a potential murder suspect. I don’t know how they put themselves in a situation where both could get shot.

Posted by: polynikes at August 05, 2023 11:26 AM (MNhXM)

23 >>Apparently foreign relations was where he thought his legacy would be made.

Probably a good time to recall how Obama continued meeting with foreign leaders throughout Trump's presidency. Obama typically net with them just before, or following, a Trump visit. It was highly unusual and suspect. Hell, he's the first former POTUS to set up his primary residence ~ 1 mile from the WH, and given Valerie Jarrett moved in there, too, one could argue it was the home base for his shadow presidency.

Posted by: Lizzy at August 05, 2023 11:27 AM (avru5)

24 Now, this is all the scandalous stuff that's already out in the open. While it would certainly be relitigated in the same way the Willie Brown stuff was in 2019, it is technically already public knowledge, meaning that its influence on public opinion is at least partially baked into Newsom's polling.

The media will do their absolute best to ensure that it ISN'T relitigated. We'll see endless pieces on "why are you so mean to a person who's gotten his life back together?". As to whether it's public knowledge, perhaps it is in CA, but nowhere else. It's the first I've heard of any of that, and I pay a lot more attention to politics than the average person.

Posted by: Archimedes at August 05, 2023 11:27 AM (eOEVl)

25 AWFLs

Posted by: runner at August 05, 2023 11:27 AM (V13WU)

26 19
'Gavin looks like Mayor Pete with...'

That explains the smile.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at August 05, 2023 11:28 AM (roH4R)

27 Looks like Trudeau. Maybe he is also Fidel's son ? I mean, we can't discount it.

Posted by: runner at August 05, 2023 11:29 AM (V13WU)

28 No reason we need to stop praying just because it's a new thread.
Posted by: KT

Oh, right. Absolutely! Someone had asked for a Bible verse about a specific topic in the prayer thread.

Posted by: Prime Sister at August 05, 2023 11:29 AM (tQL7r)

29 A Trump v Newsom race would be interesting, since they're about to be family -- Newsom and Guilfoyle's kids will be Trump Jr.'s stepkids. How would it be to see new dad's dad trashing your real dad in public every day?

Yiiikes, what a mess.

Posted by: Lizzy at August 05, 2023 11:30 AM (avru5)

30 Weekend: Remember the Kids

No no no, what you do is punish the kid each time he falls down so he stops making mistakes and embarrassing you. He should've been looking back in utter terror at his parent before making each tentative, wobbly step.

Posted by: Doensn't. at August 05, 2023 11:30 AM (q1Zxb)

31 Is Newsome Nancy Pelosi's nephew? I heard that somewhere.
Posted by: nurse ratched, otter 841 superfan

Yep, by marriage. IIRC. (Always a big if)

Posted by: Prime Sister at August 05, 2023 11:31 AM (tQL7r)

32 WTF.

Posted by: Doensn't anyone know how to raise kids anymore? No wonder they're all soft! at August 05, 2023 11:31 AM (q1Zxb)

33 30
'what you do is punish the kid each time he falls down so he stops making mistakes and embarrassing you.'

Are you a manager where I work?

Posted by: Dr. Claw at August 05, 2023 11:32 AM (roH4R)

34 Have the Democrats got prospects other than Newsom or Harris? You know it's not gonna be Dark Brandon. The Democrats need to find a way to usher him out.

I've been arguing for awhile that Biden is done, there's no way the Dems can afford to have him as their candidate. It sounds to me like more people are coming around to that conclusion. I'm not saying he won't originally be the nom, but I think there's little chance he'll actually top the ticket come election time. Look for an "episode" of some sort that sidelines him.

Posted by: Archimedes at August 05, 2023 11:32 AM (eOEVl)

35 These cops unfortunately needed more training because the car they pulled over was a potential murder suspect. I don’t know how they put themselves in a situation where both could get shot. Posted by polynikes

Oh, that's terrible. More training is right, in this case.

Posted by: Prime Sister at August 05, 2023 11:33 AM (tQL7r)

36
Good morning, and the best way to discredit Newsom if you ask me is to talk about Cali's doomed fast train. Not a single liberal outfit has an ounce of nice ink for that insanely botched project, including the NY Times and the LA Times. The man can't lay track in a straight line through empty landscape.

https://tinyurl.com/4ws52cdw

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at August 05, 2023 11:34 AM (lCaJd)

37 Newsome is related to Pelosi but the hair...///

Posted by: lin-duh at August 05, 2023 11:34 AM (UUBmN)

38 I think the photos of Newsome out dining at a fancy Napa Valley restaurant with his friends during the time he ordered a lock down of the rest of the State would be more damaging.

The MSM will also cover that story again. With a pillow until it’s smothered to death. ( hat tip to that guy…you know the one)

Posted by: polynikes at August 05, 2023 11:35 AM (MNhXM)

39 20 Is Newsome Nancy Pelosi's nephew? I heard that somewhere.
Posted by: nurse ratched, otter 841 superfan! at August 05, 2023 11:26 AM (U2p+3)

he's more distantly related, through marriage. Still it shows how incestuous the California ruling class is - there's a relative handful of families, all intermarried, who have been running that state for decades.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 05, 2023 11:35 AM (S6gqv)

40 Trump Jr must have gotten some of that woke juice by being wiener cousins since he admonished us for boycotting Bud Light.

Posted by: polynikes at August 05, 2023 11:38 AM (MNhXM)

41 WHAT? I know that several local, state and federal agencies have been involved. Still, what's taking so long?

Securing the correct personnel, making sure they're up on their training and there's a time limit on the equipment.

I'm completely serious. What a lot of people don't realize is that the biohazard/radiation suits you see in movies are guaranteed for short intervals, sometimes as short as 30 minutes, depending on the material being dealt with.

Ever hear of the Fukishima Fifty? They agreed to keep going back in, and even though it was for short intervals, they knew they'd get cancer, or even worse, radiation poisoning. It was worth it to them because of their patriotism, but they knew the suits wouldn't fully protect them.

And whatever group gets put together for this California disaster had better pray the their team lead knows the limitations of the equipment like the back of his hand.

Posted by: pookysgirl, married to a man exposed to too much radiation at August 05, 2023 11:38 AM (dtlDP)

42 Well, well, look at what we have here: the New York Times has finally caught up with what every sensible person knew at least ten years ago—California’s high-speed rail project is a joke. “America’s first experiment with high-speed rail has become a multi-billion-dollar nightmare,” the Times says in a long feature today.

Yeah, everybody sensible, i.e. not a lib, knew it would fail. However, the NYT is a big proponent of such projects. Nice job of ass-covering, you bunch of mendacious tools.

Posted by: Archimedes at August 05, 2023 11:38 AM (eOEVl)

43 what you do is punish the kid each time he falls down so he stops making mistakes and embarrassing you.

It's also pretty important to come up with an insulting name for everyone in that birth cohort, so you can claim that nobody "your generation" ever fell down. We spend days doing that, here.

Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at August 05, 2023 11:40 AM (4PZHB)

44

Skeet Surfin' USA

https://youtu.be/af9N7UhTMA8

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 05, 2023 11:40 AM (63Dwl)

45 'what you do is punish the kid each time he falls down so he stops making mistakes and embarrassing you.'

Are you a manager where I work?
Posted by: Dr. Claw at August 05, 2023 11:32 AM (roH4R)

Some people just shouldn't be in charge of other people, whether they're parents, bosses, or some other authority figure.

Posted by: Narcissistic assholes are everywhere at August 05, 2023 11:40 AM (II3Gr)

46 Houston’s rail system also a multi billion dollar boondoggle. Dem politicians here also got the sweet kick backs.

Posted by: polynikes at August 05, 2023 11:41 AM (MNhXM)

47 Recently, I was at my daughter's taking care of the grandkids. During nap time there was a knock on the door. It was a city building code enforcement officer. My SIL built a chicken coop/playhouse on the back corner of their backyard. It is 11 ft, 8 inches tall. I know this because we measured it after the officer informed me that structures within 10 ft of a property line can not be more than 12 ft high. He told me that the playhouse was obviously in violation. After we measured it, I ripped him a new AH. I took him out front to the street and pointed out two vehicles parked in front of the next door neighbor's house. Both have people living in them. Sketchy people. My daughter has complained to the city multiple times and was told there is a lack of resources to enforce the code. The building code officer couldn't get in his car fast enough. I haven't been that angry in a long time. When I related the incident to my SIL, who is a city deputy prosecutor, he smiled and said, " I know his boss". I haven't heard any follow-up yet.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * Ungovernable at August 05, 2023 11:41 AM (Qm4V8)

48
Oh, yippee. This guy will fit right in to DC and all of Stan's spawn there.
Posted by: Prime Sister

============

He's a classier Hunter Biden.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at August 05, 2023 11:42 AM (lCaJd)

49 It's also pretty important to come up with an insulting name for everyone in that birth cohort, so you can claim that nobody "your generation" ever fell down. We spend days doing that, here.
Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at August 05, 2023 11:40 AM (4PZHB)

I thought you were going to refer to Trump. Through me for a loop.

Posted by: polynikes at August 05, 2023 11:42 AM (MNhXM)

50 It's also pretty important to come up with an insulting name for everyone in that birth cohort
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You mean, like "boomer"?

Posted by: JQ at August 05, 2023 11:42 AM (Gkog9)

51 I'd like to speak to that kid's manager.

Posted by: Karen down the street at August 05, 2023 11:42 AM (NBVIP)

52 Threw = through

That one was on me.

Posted by: polynikes at August 05, 2023 11:43 AM (MNhXM)

53 >>>Have the Democrats got prospects other than Newsom or Harris? You know it's not gonna be Dark Brandon.

Michelle Obama

Posted by: m at August 05, 2023 11:43 AM (ASp1y)

54 47 Recently, I was at my daughter's taking care of the grandkids. During nap time there was a knock on the door. It was a city building code enforcement officer. My SIL built a chicken coop/playhouse on the back corner of their backyard. It is 11 ft, 8 inches tall. I know this because we measured it after the officer informed me that structures within 10 ft of a property line can not be more than 12 ft high. He told me that the playhouse was obviously in violation. After we measured it, I ripped him a new AH.

Shoot, shovel and shut up weren't an option?

Posted by: Just kidding. That's a little extreme unless he was with the HOA. at August 05, 2023 11:43 AM (q1Zxb)

55 Willowed: My wife rescued me and my bike’s flat tire. We all lived happily ever after….

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at August 05, 2023 11:44 AM (xT8gx)

56 “America’s first experiment with high-speed rail" took place in Bryan, Ohio, in 1966, and it went fine. Add another topic to the long list of things the NYT knows nothing about.

https://tinyurl.com/4sujx955

Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at August 05, 2023 11:44 AM (4PZHB)

57 It's also pretty important to come up with an insulting name for everyone in that birth cohort, so you can claim that nobody "your generation" ever fell down. We spend days doing that, here.
Posted by: Way, Way Downriver

Right?? I don't see the point. I just shrug my shoulders and go on. Must be a uni-party op to stir more division than we have already? Idk 🤷‍♀️

Posted by: Prime Sister at August 05, 2023 11:45 AM (tQL7r)

58 Any project, war, etc. that politicians push is either money laundering or an op, or both. They are all swindlers.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at August 05, 2023 11:45 AM (BdMk6)

59 Willowed in the last thread:
300 Tom Elliott
@tomselliott
Rep. @JasmineForUS (D-Texas): Republicans defending Trump "are getting dangerously close, in my opinion, to criminal culpability in and of themselves, as well"

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So just watch it!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 05, 2023 11:10 AM (FVME7)

Hmmmm. They are really letting their fascist flags fly.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 05, 2023 11:46 AM (zZu0s)

60 Is it okay to still rail on the dirty smelly hippie generation ?

Posted by: polynikes at August 05, 2023 11:46 AM (MNhXM)

61 It's likely Newsome wlll win I mean steal the pResidency if the left can jail (or worse) President Trump. Because half of America is stupid.

Posted by: Eromero at August 05, 2023 11:46 AM (z3WCn)

62 >>>the Tablet interview of Obama (and MLK) biographer David Garrow. I read most of the interview (see short outline here)

short outline here = PowerLine; where they start off with:

"Everything biographer/historian David Garrow writes is worth reading."

Which might be true! But David Garrow did not write the Tablet interview of Obama (and MLK) biographer David Garrow.

Posted by: m at August 05, 2023 11:47 AM (ASp1y)

63 Good morning, and the best way to discredit Newsom if you ask me is to talk about Cali's doomed fast train. Not a single liberal outfit has an ounce of nice ink for that insanely botched project, including the NY Times and the LA Times. The man can't lay track in a straight line through empty landscape. Posted by Blonde Morticia

A picture of that mess ought to be in the dictionary under the word "debacle." Or maybe, "The Real Bridge to Nowhere."

Posted by: Prime Sister at August 05, 2023 11:48 AM (tQL7r)

64 Have the Democrats got prospects other than Newsom or Harris? You know it's not gonna be Dark Brandon.

Michelle Obama

Bill Burr on Michelle Obama:

https://tinyurl.com/5ew6kpxe

Posted by: Archimedes at August 05, 2023 11:48 AM (eOEVl)

65 Rep. @JasmineForUS (D-Texas): Republicans defending Trump "are getting dangerously close, in my opinion, to criminal culpability in and of themselves, as well"

Your opinion is as valid as any six year old with no knowledge of the law or the Constitution.

Posted by: polynikes at August 05, 2023 11:48 AM (MNhXM)

66 The intrigue of sidelining the meat puppet, discarding the word salad idiot and installing the hairdo as President will match any Roman or Borgia antics.

Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at August 05, 2023 11:48 AM (oWBc3)

67 >>>Have the Democrats got prospects other than Newsom or Harris? You know it's not gonna be Dark Brandon.

Ahem.

Posted by: Monica Lewinsky's ex-boyfriend's wife at August 05, 2023 11:49 AM (NBVIP)

68 Sketchy people. My daughter has complained to the city multiple times and was told there is a lack of resources to enforce the code.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * Ungovernable at August 05, 2023 11:41 AM (Qm4V

Let me guess: There are reasons due to appearances that the city is afraid to go after the sketchy people but not your daughter's family.

Posted by: pookysgirl, laying a ten on the table at August 05, 2023 11:49 AM (dtlDP)

69 The intrigue of sidelining the meat puppet, discarding the word salad idiot and installing the hairdo as President will match any Roman or Borgia antics.

If I were Kamala, I would avoid any and all planes between now and the election.

Posted by: Archimedes at August 05, 2023 11:49 AM (eOEVl)

70 It still upset me but I was happy to take the call from the Vancouver City police about the river place. Informed them that I don't own it any more. I hope the new owners have to funnel thousands into it. Serves them right (and is why I didn't want it to go to my stepson).

Posted by: Notsothoreau at August 05, 2023 11:49 AM (ouTlx)

71 60 Is it okay to still rail on the dirty smelly hippie generation ?
Posted by: polynikes at August 05, 2023 11:46 AM (MNhXM)

Well, everyone seems to be a dirty, smelly hippie these days.

Except for this gal. Her hair looks like it smells nice.

https://tinyurl.com/3znp9yy9

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 05, 2023 11:50 AM (zZu0s)

72 I feel sorry for the under-30ish people. At least, the ones I had to w*rk with...

They could barely read. Could not write legibly or perform simple calculations, all of which were required on the j*b.

Posted by: JQ at August 05, 2023 11:50 AM (Gkog9)

73 You mean, like "boomer"?

Sure. Mile-nile is my favorite. That way you can suck the New Religion, and spell it rong too. Millenial no motherfucker. Milennial no motherfucker. This is how we moved on to X, Y, and Z. We're now too stupid to even call each other names.

Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at August 05, 2023 11:50 AM (4PZHB)

74 34 "I'm not saying he won't originally be the nom, but I think there's little chance he'll actually top the ticket come election time. Look for an "episode" of some sort that sidelines him."

Well, they need to get it done well before the election, 'cause Kammy becomes Prez the instant Joe goes literally or figuratively tits-up. Wouldn't it be fun to watch them try to postpone the election so they could replace a black female?! Good times.

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at August 05, 2023 11:50 AM (OqSlY)

75 President Lounge Lizard Greaseball? Could it really happen?

Posted by: That Northernlurker what lurkd at August 05, 2023 11:50 AM (aCNZ6)

76 Except for this gal. Her hair looks like it smells nice.

Too much of a good thing.

Posted by: Archimedes at August 05, 2023 11:50 AM (eOEVl)

77 What's really depressing is Joe Biden being the nominee is like the only prayer we have at winning.

Even someone like Gavin Newsom would probably be a layup. We're just in a bad place culturally and demographically right now.

There was an era where Democrats had to carefully thread a needle to be President, now I fear its getting to the point where the "real" contest will be the Democrat Primary.

Posted by: Blago at August 05, 2023 11:51 AM (7zUrF)

78 He's a classier Hunter Biden.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia

****SNORT**** When you're right, you're right

Posted by: Prime Sister at August 05, 2023 11:52 AM (tQL7r)

79 Ahem.
Posted by: Monica Lewinsky's ex-boyfriend's wife at August 05, 2023 11:49 AM (NBVIP)

Bill was never her boyfriend. She was nothing but a set of... nvm.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 05, 2023 11:52 AM (zZu0s)

80 Shoot, shovel and shut up weren't an option?
Posted by: Just kidding.

I've had a conversation with one of the car dwellers. It went along the lines of that's my daughter and grandkids house. I was very clear that I was a firm believer in dealing with people who mess with my family in a very up close and personal manner. I do believe the gentleman understood my meaning.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * Ungovernable at August 05, 2023 11:53 AM (Qm4V8)

81 22 White scum bucket executes Black cop in Temple, PA.
Posted by: polynikes at August 05, 2023 11:26 AM (MNhXM)

Not seeing this online.

Posted by: m at August 05, 2023 11:53 AM (ASp1y)

82 Willowed: My wife rescued me and my bike’s flat tire. We all lived happily ever after….
Posted by: LinusVanPelt

Hooray! She deserves something very nice

Posted by: Prime Sister at August 05, 2023 11:53 AM (tQL7r)

83 76 Except for this gal. Her hair looks like it smells nice.

Too much of a good thing.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 05, 2023 11:50 AM (eOEVl)

I have made a study of such things. I'd agree that there is a point, but I think she is on the edge, inside the limit.

So, she is < USL, but probably between the UCL and USL.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 05, 2023 11:54 AM (zZu0s)

84

The Justice Department on Friday asked a federal judge overseeing the criminal case against former President Donald Trump in Washington to step in after he released a post online that appeared to promise revenge on anyone who goes after him.

Prosecutors asked U.S. District Court Judge Tanya Chutkan to issue a protective order in the case a day after Trump pleaded not guilty to charges of trying to overturn his 2020 election loss and block the peaceful transition of power. The order — which is different from a so-called “gag order” — would limit what information Trump and his legal team could share publicly about the case brought by special counsel Jack Smith.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 05, 2023 11:54 AM (63Dwl)

85 Any project, war, etc. that politicians push is either money laundering or an op, or both. They are all swindlers.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons

You got that right. Every. Blessed. Time. That's all it is.

Posted by: Prime Sister at August 05, 2023 11:55 AM (tQL7r)

86 feel sorry for the under-30ish people. At least, the ones I had to w*rk with...

They could barely read. Could not write legibly or perform simple calculations, all of which were required on the j*b.
Posted by: JQ at August 05, 2023 11:50 AM (Gkog9)

You should read the press reports on our local news network ,KPRC website. The comment section has a running joke about how the articles are written . Frequently it takes some work to figure out exactly what who did what , who was the perp, who was injured, etc.

Posted by: polynikes at August 05, 2023 11:55 AM (MNhXM)

87 64 Have the Democrats got prospects other than Newsom or Harris? You know it's not gonna be Dark Brandon.

Michelle Obama

Bill Burr on Michelle Obama:

https://tinyurl.com/5ew6kpxe
Posted by: Archimedes at August 05, 2023 11:48 AM (eOEVl)

"So. I'm sick of Obama's wife."

LOL

Posted by: m at August 05, 2023 11:55 AM (ASp1y)

88 Morning.

Posted by: Robert at August 05, 2023 11:55 AM (1Yy3c)

89 I feel sorry for the under-30ish people.

You have never met a stupid person your own age.
That's a pretty special piece of information about yourself.

Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at August 05, 2023 11:56 AM (4PZHB)

90 46: homeless shelter on rails.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at August 05, 2023 11:57 AM (f0XAF)

91 What Newsom is doing, in regards to a debate, is brilliant.

Liberals know that in a debate they can just spew out any lies they want, without pushback or repercussions. No matter what goes on he'll be said to be the winner, presidential, and right on every subject; even if halfway through he vomits all over himself and passes out.

Odds are that joke headline will become true, as when Ron points out all of CA's failures, Newsom will just blame it on someone else, and most hardcore liberals will side with him.

The only way a debate will work, this goes for Presidential too, is if Republicans can get someone like Tucker who will ask tough questions, call the guy out on his bullshit, and not be pushed around. Not someone playing the Dem's wingman, like when Obama and the moderator coordinated to claim Obama said something when the video said the exact opposite.

Posted by: Rbastid at August 05, 2023 11:57 AM (jx8Ck)

92 It's likely Newsome wlll win I mean steal the pResidency if the left can jail (or worse) President Trump. Because half of America is stupid.
Posted by: Eromero

Really? Thought it was conventional Horde wisdom that Trump would win if they imprisoned him. I can't keep up!

Posted by: Prime Sister at August 05, 2023 11:58 AM (tQL7r)

93 I believe that anyone coming out of Frisco California must, following the path of Kamala Harris, pass the Willie Brown test.

Gavin must be fully endorsed by Willie or the deal is off.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at August 05, 2023 12:00 PM (KVGVf)

94
Have the Democrats got prospects other than Newsom or Harris?

=============

Mayor Pete, who took a moribund, hidebound federal agency and revitalized it with forward-looking inclusive and green policies that promise a more tolerant and environment-friendly future in American's transportation systems.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at August 05, 2023 12:00 PM (lCaJd)

95 The only way a debate will work, this goes for Presidential too, is if Republicans can get someone like Tucker who will ask tough questions, call the guy out on his bullshit, and not be pushed around. Not someone playing the Dem's wingman, like when Obama and the moderator coordinated to claim Obama said something when the video said the exact opposite.

IIRC, Hannity will "moderate". I wonder if either RDS or Hair Gel will be allowed to complete a sentence.

Really? Thought it was conventional Horde wisdom that Trump would win if they imprisoned him. I can't keep up!

That is certainly NOT my opinion.

Posted by: Archimedes at August 05, 2023 12:01 PM (eOEVl)

96 They could barely read. Could not write legibly or perform simple calculations, all of which were required on the j*b.
Posted by: JQ at August 05, 2023 11:50 AM (Gkog9)

You should have tried getting people fresh out of school to do simple mass % equations in a practical setting. They knew the math (sort of) but they could not apply it to practice. And hand writing out the math? It was difficult. I could usually get them there. I actually had some time one night when we were setting up a new plant and made an excel sheet where you could plug in the values and get a correct answer out. I sent it to my boss. He had asked me if there was some tool we could give people to be able to do the math for them and be able to be functional in their jobs while they were learning.

I sent the sheet to him and told him it was a really bad idea to use. Maybe in an emergency, but it could quickly become a crutch. It also makes it nearly impossible if you do not understand the math to just have that sense of 'This calculation is bullshit- I made a mistake.'

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 05, 2023 12:01 PM (zZu0s)

97 40
'being wiener cousins'

Hahahaha! My sides!

Posted by: Dr. Claw at August 05, 2023 12:01 PM (roH4R)

98 White scum bucket executes Black cop in Temple, PA.
Posted by: polynikes at August 05, 2023 11:26 AM (MNhXM)

Not seeing this online.
Posted by: m at August 05, 2023 11:53 AM (ASp1

Sorry this happened in March I believe. It was a link attached to the Orlando story.

Posted by: polynikes at August 05, 2023 12:02 PM (MNhXM)

99 Ron DeSantis Agrees To Televised Debate With Gavin Newsom. This would be a bad idea. We don't need to help Desantis get any exposure, and Newson has plenty of time to campaign in the next 5 years.

Newsome will wipe the floor with the prick.

Newsome will use actual, verifiable facts - and DeSantis will
counter with predictable gish-galloping, whatabout-ing and "everything is woke." And viewers on the right will see it as a knockout win for DeSantis, because getting all your talking points out there is all that matters (to them).

Newsome has become devastatingly proficient at countering such bullshit.He's been on quite the roll when it comes to being interviewed by right wing assholes, and he is fabulous at it.

Didn't he challenge VP Harris recently, too? I think this is Dunning-Krueger in action & he wants to show off to the MAGAs that he can take on the dems intellectually & maybe peel off some votes from Trump.

Тяцмp voters who care about intellectualism? I’m trying to Google that and Siri won’t stop laughing.

Rumpelstiltskin vs Prince Charming? Can't wait--yeah, probably won't happen.

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at August 05, 2023 12:02 PM (JCZqz)

100 And it happened at Temple University.

Posted by: polynikes at August 05, 2023 12:02 PM (MNhXM)

101 39: “it’s not what you know but WHO you know!”

Americans cheerfully chirp this, not knowing nor caring about where this leads.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at August 05, 2023 12:03 PM (f0XAF)

102 You have never met a stupid person your own age.
That's a pretty special piece of information about yourself.
Posted by: Way, Way Downriver
----

Didn't say I hadn't. But now that you mention it, yes. Yes I have. A few. Much lower percentage though, than in the under-30 cohort.

Why are you so... defensive?

Posted by: JQ at August 05, 2023 12:03 PM (Gkog9)

103 Stupid is eternal.

Or maybe 'Ignorance is eternal.'

I doubt they are actually 'stupid' it is just they have never really thought about how to think or problem solve.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 05, 2023 12:05 PM (zZu0s)

104 Uh oh. The DNC AI has placed its targeting apparatus upon the AOSHQ.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at August 05, 2023 12:06 PM (KVGVf)

105 98 White scum bucket executes Black cop in Temple, PA.
Posted by: polynikes at August 05, 2023 11:26 AM (MNhXM)

Not seeing this online.
Posted by: m at August 05, 2023 11:53 AM (ASp1

Sorry this happened in March I believe. It was a link attached to the Orlando story.
Posted by: polynikes at August 05, 2023 12:02 PM (MNhXM)

100 And it happened at Temple University.
Posted by: polynikes at August 05, 2023 12:02 PM (MNhXM)

Thanks.

Posted by: m at August 05, 2023 12:06 PM (ASp1y)

106 Really? Thought it was conventional Horde wisdom that Trump would win if they imprisoned him. I can't keep up!

That is certainly NOT my opinion.
Posted by: Archimedes

Well, I meant it as kind of a joke....since we usually have about as many opinions as Morons posting. On any given topic, any given day.

Posted by: Prime Sister at August 05, 2023 12:06 PM (tQL7r)

107 >>Bill Burr on Michelle Obama:

https://tinyurl.com/5ew6kpxe

Exactly. He did a version of that plumber joke when Hillary ran for president.

Posted by: Lizzy at August 05, 2023 12:06 PM (avru5)

108 Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at August 05, 2023 12:02 PM (JCZqz)

AAGGHH brain bleach

Posted by: m at August 05, 2023 12:06 PM (ASp1y)

109 OT....

...Now here we are, a few year later and the reporter who supposedly debunked the Pizzagate story just pled guilty to sexually abusing children. The 53 year old reporter admitted to distributing and possessing thousands of child sexual abuse pictures and videos, including a disturbing video of an infant being sexually violated...

Remember the 'conspiracy theory' that pedos are part of the elitist blob junta?
Officially now - at lest PARTLY TRUE

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at August 05, 2023 12:06 PM (ga8qR)

110 Note that *I* never said the under 30s were "stupid".

Do not put words in my mouth

Posted by: JQ at August 05, 2023 12:07 PM (Gkog9)

111 104 Uh oh. The DNC AI has placed its targeting apparatus upon the AOSHQ.
Posted by: Dr. Bone at August 05, 2023 12:06 PM (KVGVf)

Nah, that's our undercover human intelligence asset.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 05, 2023 12:07 PM (zZu0s)

112 feel sorry for the under-30ish people.

You have never met a stupid person your own age.
That's a pretty special piece of information about yourself.
Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at August 05, 2023 11:56 AM (4PZH

People under 30 by a wide margin over other age groups accept the tranny phenomenon. Is it just because of age or is there something else going on?

Posted by: polynikes at August 05, 2023 12:07 PM (MNhXM)

113 What's astonishing about Newsome is nothing, other than the fact that he's going to get away with things that Cuomo was forced out for.

Think about that.

The takeaway from this, and you can do the same for the raging imbecile in the White House already, or the literal idiot in the Penn Senate seat, is that they can and WILL install whoever they want.

What they did, what they're doing, what they will do, it doesn't have any bearing on the question of whether they can be installed in (or removed from) office. Never forget this, as you are getting outraged over what this one or that one is doing.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 05, 2023 12:07 PM (5XIDX)

114 104 Uh oh. The DNC AI has placed its targeting apparatus upon the AOSHQ.
Posted by: Dr. Bone at August 05, 2023 12:06 PM (KVGVf)

?

Posted by: m at August 05, 2023 12:07 PM (ASp1y)

115 101 39: “it’s not what you know but WHO you know!”

Americans cheerfully chirp this, not knowing nor caring about where this leads.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at August 05, 2023 12:03 PM (f0XAF)

I don't know about cheerfully chirping it, but in most arenas it's just the plain unvarnished truth. "Meritocracy" is mostly a myth, bullshit fed to the few remaining gullible rubes with a work ethic who desperately want it to be true.

Posted by: Networks and connections have been more important than competence for a LONG time in many areas at August 05, 2023 12:08 PM (q1Zxb)

116 Really? Thought it was conventional Horde wisdom that Trump would win if they imprisoned him. I can't keep up!

That is certainly NOT my opinion.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 05, 2023 12:01 PM

If Trump is convicted and imprisoned, I have a feeling the Republican party uses it as an excuse to drop him from the ticket (I assume he wins the primaries before being convicted). It'll be too late to mount a 3rd party campaign (plenty of states will find reasons to block him), and a write in campaign won't work (and plenty of independent normies will be turned off). A Republican pro-loser will be selected (Pence would be amazing), and the Republican party up and down the ballot will get DESTROYED.

The R establishment tries to blame Trump and his supporters, in an attempt to purge them from the party.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at August 05, 2023 12:08 PM (JCZqz)

117 People under 30 by a wide margin over other age groups accept the tranny phenomenon. Is it just because of age or is there something else going on?
Posted by: polynikes at August 05, 2023 12:07 PM (MNhXM)

Ignorance. They do not realize what they are asking for because the down sides have never been emphasized to them.

The last 200 years have been a historical anomaly. It took work to get there and would have to be maintained.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 05, 2023 12:09 PM (zZu0s)

118 I've met plenty of stupid people from all generations. Idiocy knows no age.

Posted by: It's all Generation Duh at August 05, 2023 12:10 PM (q1Zxb)

119 Posted by: It's all Generation Duh at August 05, 2023 12:10 PM (q1Zxb)

*golfclap for nic*

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 05, 2023 12:11 PM (zZu0s)

120 Prime Sister @ 92-
President Trump could not be protected in any federal jail, besides we'd have to outnumber the fraud to put him back in the Whitehouse. Would be a miracle, a glorious miracle.

Posted by: Eromero at August 05, 2023 12:12 PM (z3WCn)

121 104 Uh oh. The DNC AI has placed its targeting apparatus upon the AOSHQ.
Posted by: Dr. Bone at August 05, 2023 12:06 PM

Lol, no...but that's an interesting point, in that I've NEVER seen AoS mentioned over at DU, while Fox, Breitbart...even NRO and The Bulwark are mentioned at least occasionally. I wonder how the Horde compares to other conservative sites in actual views vs awareness by the Left in general.

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at August 05, 2023 12:12 PM (JCZqz)

122 I've met plenty of stupid people from all generations. Idiocy knows no age.
Posted by: It's all Generation Duh at August 05, 2023 12:10 PM (q1Zxb)

This is true but the basics of logical thought have been turned on it’s head in the last 60 years. I blame it on the Commies.

Posted by: polynikes at August 05, 2023 12:12 PM (MNhXM)

123 115: “why is society so corrupt?”

“Why are there so many incompetent people in charge of things?”

Too bad so few can put two and two together.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at August 05, 2023 12:12 PM (f0XAF)

124
Willowed in the last thread:
300 Tom Elliott
@tomselliott
Rep. @JasmineForUS (D-Texas): Republicans defending Trump "are getting dangerously close, in my opinion, to criminal culpability in and of themselves, as well"
-
So just watch it!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 05, 2023 11:10 AM (FVME7)

Hmmmm. They are really letting their fascist flags fly.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 05, 2023 11:46 AM

The most basic First Amendment right they want to abolish. That's not being written with an ounce of exaggeration. Law School 101 is now seriously debated?

Paging Clarence Thomas. Paging John Roberts. Paging Brett Kavanaugh. Paging Amy Barrett. Paging Samuel Alito.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at August 05, 2023 12:13 PM (enJYY)

125 Life is short. Spend as much time as you can arguing with strangers on the Internet.

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at August 05, 2023 12:13 PM (NBVIP)

126 That kid has been sneaking some of my scotch.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 05, 2023 12:13 PM (e4fEA)

127 >>Mayor Pete, who took a moribund, hidebound federal agency and revitalized it with forward-looking inclusive and green policies that promise a more tolerant and environment-friendly future in American's transportation systems.

. . . and yet failed to preform the basic duties of his job when faced with supply ship traffic jam at CA port, continued train derailments leading to hazardous spills, increased air traffic mistakes, pilot shortage and overall air travel delays/cancellations, railworker strike, bridge collapse in PA. . . what am I forgetting?

He's been an absolute disaster, as he's never there when something goes wrong, takes days/weeks to respond publicly, if at all. He's always on a secret paternity leave or international vacation -- is he ever actually in the office?!?

Posted by: Lizzy at August 05, 2023 12:14 PM (avru5)

128 Mayor Pete, who took a moribund, hidebound federal agency and revitalized it with forward-looking inclusive and green policies that promise a more tolerant and environment-friendly future in American's transportation systems.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at August 05, 2023 12:00 PM (lCaJd)

Ah, Mayor Pete. Again, they CAN elevate him, if they want to. The fact of trains blowing up, and the chances your flight has about a 50/50 chance of departing/arriving as scheduled... these things are totally irrelevant.

Just look at those cheeks! He's got a husband!! We simply MUST have a Mayor Pete on the ticket next year. We must!!

Posted by: BurtTC at August 05, 2023 12:14 PM (5BSKN)

129 Posted by: Moron Analyst at August 05, 2023 12:08 PM (JCZqz)

Is there a law that says people can't serve public office from prison?

Posted by: pookysgirl, genuinely curious at August 05, 2023 12:16 PM (dtlDP)

130 What's the purpose of a debate between DeSantis and Newsom? One is a declared candidate, the other is a smarmy governor of a failed state with delusions of grandeur.

DeSantis is foolish to engage this nitwit in a fake debate.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 05, 2023 12:16 PM (Q4IgG)

131 >>Rep. @JasmineForUS (D-Texas): Republicans defending Trump "are getting dangerously close, in my opinion, to criminal culpability in and of themselves, as well"

What does "criminal culpability" mean in that sentence?

What law(s) is she accusing them of breaking. She's just saying "I don't like what they're doing so they must be prosecuted."

Posted by: Lizzy at August 05, 2023 12:16 PM (avru5)

132 He's always on a secret paternity leave or international vacation -- is he ever actually in the office?!?
Posted by: Lizzy at August 05, 2023 12:14 PM (avru5)

Well there you go. He's on paternity leave. He has a husband. All those other things... don't be silly, they don't stack up to the fact he's got a husband, and he takes paternity leave!

Posted by: BurtTC at August 05, 2023 12:16 PM (5BSKN)

133 Mayor Pete, who took a moribund, hidebound federal agency and revitalized it with forward-looking inclusive and green policies that promise a more tolerant and environment-friendly future in American's transportation systems.

I see someone else is trawling DU for over-the-top nonsense for us to point and laugh at!

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at August 05, 2023 12:17 PM (JCZqz)

134 Sorry, you used a WHITE child as an example of something good which needs to be learned.

You must be a RAAAAACIST!!!!!

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 05, 2023 12:17 PM (oHd/0)

135 A/C fixed. Guess I won't suffocate today.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at August 05, 2023 12:17 PM (BdMk6)

136 This strategy could be hit or miss for the Florida Republican,

Whether it does or not, I believe no matter what happens, DeSantis is the de facto nominee in 2028. If the dems win next year, Florida will need him just to lead the attacks the dems will launch on the state.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 05, 2023 12:18 PM (e4fEA)

137 "You just don't look presidential when you go up against people who aren't running for president."???
Trump became a front runner by going up against every media personality that wanted an interview...and then attacked him on camera. And STAYED popular by continuing to do so, even 1hr or more DAILY press gatherings. Trump took and responded personally to MORE tough press questions in any given week that Biden has in his entire 40year career. And many/most of those tough questions were passed to those "Press" people by top Democrat operatives and "Presidential" contenders/also-rans.

Posted by: birddog at August 05, 2023 12:18 PM (xyRN4)

138 Life is short. Spend as much time as you can arguing with strangers on the Internet.
Posted by: Quarter Twenty

Exactly

Posted by: Prime Sister at August 05, 2023 12:18 PM (tQL7r)

139 131 >>Rep. @JasmineForUS (D-Texas): Republicans defending Trump "are getting dangerously close, in my opinion, to criminal culpability in and of themselves, as well"

What does "criminal culpability" mean in that sentence?

What law(s) is she accusing them of breaking. She's just saying "I don't like what they're doing so they must be prosecuted."
Posted by: Lizzy at August 05, 2023 12:16 PM

Orange man bad is enough to convict, bar from office, and execute anyone found guilty of being Orange Man Bad. It's really about saving Democracy.

Posted by: At least 4 of 9 SCOTUS justices at August 05, 2023 12:19 PM (JCZqz)

140 133 Mayor Pete, who took a moribund, hidebound federal agency and revitalized it with forward-looking inclusive and green policies that promise a more tolerant and environment-friendly future in American's transportation systems.

I see someone else is trawling DU for over-the-top nonsense for us to point and laugh at!
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at August 05, 2023 12:17 PM (JCZqz)

Uh... Yeah... Yellow going out of business cost my little Central valley Country about 200 jobs.

And why did they go out of business? Bad Economy, and a Union Strike.

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 05, 2023 12:19 PM (oHd/0)

141 "Is there a law that says people can't serve public office from prison?*

There's a law that says if you set up your own private email server and transmit classified information you'll lose your security clearance and go to jail, but what difference, at this point, does it make?

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at August 05, 2023 12:19 PM (NBVIP)

142 136: the 2028 primaries were canceled too?

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at August 05, 2023 12:19 PM (f0XAF)

143 Life is short. Spend as much time as you can arguing with strangers on the Internet.
Posted by: Quarter Twenty at August 05, 2023 12:13 PM (NBVIP)

There’s arguing and then there’s debating which has been a cornerstone of human advancement.

Posted by: polynikes at August 05, 2023 12:20 PM (MNhXM)

144 What does "criminal culpability" mean in that sentence?

What law(s) is she accusing them of breaking. She's just saying "I don't like what they're doing so they must be prosecuted."
Posted by: Lizzy at August 05, 2023 12:16 PM (avru5)

It always sounds like hyperbole, but in Chi Nah, North Korea, and plenty of other places around the globe, right now, "criminal culpability" is something that can and will be enforced with a bullet to the head, and your family, your neighbors who didn't speak up, all your associates being punished right alongside you.

Anyone who thinks there's anything different about the evil inside our own government is terribly naive.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 05, 2023 12:20 PM (5BSKN)

145 Rep. @JasmineForUS (D-Texas): Republicans defending Trump "are getting dangerously close, in my opinion, to criminal culpability in and of themselves, as well"

What does "criminal culpability" mean in that sentence?
What law(s) is she accusing them of breaking.

She hasn't the foggiest idea, she just thinks it sounds good.

Posted by: Archimedes at August 05, 2023 12:20 PM (eOEVl)

146 "...then there’s debating which has been a cornerstone of human advancement."

Plus coffee.

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at August 05, 2023 12:22 PM (NBVIP)

147 "You just don't look presidential when you go up against people who aren't running for president."???
Trump became a front runner by going up against every media personality that wanted an interview...and then attacked him on camera. And STAYED popular by continuing to do so, even 1hr or more DAILY press gatherings. Trump took and responded personally to MORE tough press questions in any given week that Biden has in his entire 40year career. And many/most of those tough questions were passed to those "Press" people by top Democrat operatives and "Presidential" contenders/also-rans.

Excellent point.

Posted by: Archimedes at August 05, 2023 12:22 PM (eOEVl)

148 What law(s) is she accusing them of breaking. She's just saying "I don't like what they're doing so they must be prosecuted."
Posted by: Lizzy at August 05, 2023 12:16 PM (avru5)

They believe 'Our Democracy' means rule by Democrats.
ergo, anything which hampers that rule, is a defacto insurrection.

Insurrection is against the law.

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 05, 2023 12:22 PM (oHd/0)

149 Nice motorcycle ride with Junior-ette. Now we're having an early lunch.

Political debates....i think it is a very bad idea to have any debate between a serious republican and any other politcal hack on any broadcast service that isn't one of two conservative outlets. Newsmax, and the other one "One" something. Any other broadcast comkany is enemy territory and newsmax may well be faking conservativism like Fox used to before they cane oit of tje closet.

Posted by: BifBewalski's Phone at August 05, 2023 12:22 PM (Toxwv)

150 then there’s debating which has been a cornerstone of human advancement."

Plus coffee.
Posted by: Quarter Twenty at August 05, 2023 12:22 PM (NBVIP)

Coffee for debating, whiskey for arguing.

Posted by: polynikes at August 05, 2023 12:23 PM (MNhXM)

151 There’s arguing and then there’s debating which has been a cornerstone of human advancement.

An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a definite proposition... A contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of anything the other person says."

Debating is right out.

Posted by: Archimedes at August 05, 2023 12:24 PM (eOEVl)

152 Marxists prosecutors are making crap up as they go along.

Posted by: Skip at August 05, 2023 12:25 PM (MOY79)

153 Archimedes, Eromero, and Moron Analyst:

See my post at #106

Posted by: Prime Sister at August 05, 2023 12:25 PM (tQL7r)

154 131 >>Rep. @JasmineForUS (D-Texas): Republicans defending Trump "are getting dangerously close, in my opinion, to criminal culpability in and of themselves, as well"

however

"no justice, no peace " is totes kewl

Posted by: REDACTED at August 05, 2023 12:26 PM (us2H3)

155 What does "criminal culpability" mean in that sentence?
What law(s) is she accusing them of breaking.

She hasn't the foggiest idea, she just thinks it sounds good.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 05, 2023 12:20 PM (eOEVl)

I think that is not really true. She knows what she is saying. She wants to jail all political opposition.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 05, 2023 12:28 PM (zZu0s)

156 Lol, no...but that's an interesting point, in that I've NEVER seen AoS mentioned over at DU, while Fox, Breitbart...even NRO and The Bulwark are mentioned at least occasionally. I wonder how the Horde compares to other conservative sites in actual views vs awareness by the Left in general.
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at August 05, 2023 12:12 PM (JCZqz)

My belief, and I could be wrong, is that the internet was a wide open space when AoSHQ was formed, and it competed with many sites on the right, for views and influence.

Then the internet began to contract, with farcebook, then twatter being the "water cooler" of influence, and if you didn't have a presence there, you were more or less ignored by everyone who was anyone.

I don't know how it measures in actual views, but the "everyone who is anyone" crowd, to them you don't exist unless you're playing in their playground.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 05, 2023 12:29 PM (Ot8Xr)

157 Rep. @JasmineForUS (D-Texas): Republicans defending Trump "are getting dangerously close, in my opinion, to criminal culpability in and of themselves, as well"

Well, opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one, Jasmine. But I've been fighting communism all my life so come on. I'm right here. Take your best shot.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 05, 2023 12:29 PM (e4fEA)

158
Any other broadcast comkany is enemy territory and newsmax may well be faking conservativism like Fox used to before they cane out of the closet.

Posted by: BifBewalski's Phone at August 05, 2023 12:22 PM (Toxwv)

There's some disturbing stuff going on at NewsMax. I just walked past the screen and there is Greta Susteren interviewing some man who refers to his 'husband'. I kinda put Greta in the leftist camp. They're also trying to do the 'fair and balanced' debate crap with leftists. Which is always a joke and just plain annoying. Just give us the news. Do not give the left a platform. They have 99% of them already. Don't make me waste my time listening to leftist lies.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at August 05, 2023 12:29 PM (enJYY)

159 Now to comment on the content (Thanks K.T.!)

I do not think a “debate” with Gavin Newsom, “moderated” by Sean Hannity of all people who won’t let anyone get a word in edgewise…. This will not redound to the benefit of RDS. Newsom is as slimy and as slippery as they come…. He’ll say anything and Hannity’s too stupid to notice and call him out… or he’ll be thinking about what he’s gonna shout next. RDS comes across best in one-on-one like the discussion he had with Musk (too bad the tech difficulties got in the way of that). A rough and tumble free for all doesn’t seem like DeSantis’ best format. He’s desperately trying to get attention but it won’t succeed…. Trump inevitably sucks all the oxygen out of every room…

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at August 05, 2023 12:30 PM (xT8gx)

160 I don't know how it measures in actual views, but the "everyone who is anyone" crowd, to them you don't exist unless you're playing in their playground.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 05, 2023 12:29 PM (Ot8Xr)

I am very Okay with the enemy not knkwing enough about us to comment aboit us in theirbplaygrounds. There is no room for them over here.

Posted by: BifBewalski's Phone at August 05, 2023 12:31 PM (Toxwv)

161 >>She hasn't the foggiest idea, she just thinks it sounds good.

Looking at her tiktok she's into word salad (shouldn't have binged her, like a trainwreck. . .)

Her ignorance might be funny if she didn't hold power: https://tinyurl.com/4matb85f

Posted by: Lizzy at August 05, 2023 12:31 PM (avru5)

162 I think that is not really true. She knows what she is saying. She wants to jail all political opposition.

I don't doubt that that ignorant little fascist would like to jail anyone who dares to disagree with her. That doesn't mean she's using words she understands.

Posted by: Archimedes at August 05, 2023 12:32 PM (eOEVl)

163 Posted by: Quarter Twenty at August 05, 2023 12:13 PM (NBVIP)

I'm sure I could spend much more time arguing with them than I already do.

. I've fallen down on the job. Yesterday I think "arguing" consisted of asking "Why does Gemma Atherton (the actress) always look in her pictures as if her mother just died, or she's about to go to the electric chair? and asking whether our resident wealthy person could brag about anything else than "buying his wife new tits"? His words, not mine.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 05, 2023 12:32 PM (Keyt1)

164 I think that is not really true. She knows what she is saying. She wants to jail all political opposition.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 05, 2023 12:28 PM (zZu0s)

Which, right now, is generally the J6 and/or Proud Boys types.

What remains to be seen is whether they can get Trump behind bars. If they do, all bets are off.

They want you behind bars and/or dead. I doubt they care which, or in what order.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 05, 2023 12:33 PM (Ot8Xr)

165 Do not give the left a platform. They have 99% of them already. Don't make me waste my time listening to leftist lies.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at August 05, 2023 12:29 PM (enJYY)

That's my issue with newsmax too. They are on some very thin ice with me on that topic.

Posted by: BifBewalski's Phone at August 05, 2023 12:33 PM (Toxwv)

166
. . . and yet failed to preform the basic duties of his job when faced with supply ship traffic jam at CA port, continued train derailments leading to hazardous spills, increased air traffic mistakes, pilot shortage and overall air travel delays/cancellations, railworker strike, bridge collapse in PA. . . what am I forgetting?

He's been an absolute disaster, as he's never there when something goes wrong, takes days/weeks to respond publicly, if at all. He's always on a secret paternity leave or international vacation -- is he ever actually in the office?!?
Posted by: Lizzy

============

Well, once again the hypocritical right wing attacks a pro-family man! Pete is a loving father and husband who dedicated some time off to the most sacred thing in anyone's life. When he returned to duty, he acknowledged all those problems HONESTLY, unlike anyone in the Drumpf administration, and solved them swiftly! And it's not easy cleaning up after the neglect of the Drumpf administration. Spills, jams, the whole bit. ALL because Drumpf wouldn't fully fund our transportation systems.

Pete 2024!

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at August 05, 2023 12:33 PM (lCaJd)

167 "The R establishment tries to blame Trump and his supporters, in an attempt to purge them from the party."

They don't need to purge me from their party. I left voluntarily, years ago.

Posted by: Outside of Life at August 05, 2023 12:33 PM (89Sog)

168 Governor Of State People Are Fleeing From Agrees To Debate Governor Of State They Are Fleeing To

Forget the sleazy platitude rich "debate" between two lying politicians, interview the people fleeing from California to Florida.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at August 05, 2023 12:33 PM (p8A+W)

169 DU doesn’t mention us because it’s not a corporate owned entity and for the same reason whistling past the grave yard.

Posted by: polynikes at August 05, 2023 12:33 PM (MNhXM)

170 99
'Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions'

Reality drifts farther away from the leftist turd faction but their submissive 'love affair' with slimy democrat weasels continues unchanged.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at August 05, 2023 12:33 PM (roH4R)

171 What law(s) is she accusing them of breaking. She's just saying "I don't like what they're doing so they must be prosecuted."

Posted by: Lizzy at August 05, 2023 12:16 PM (avru5)

Yuuuuuup.

Posted by: pookysgirl, beyond cynical at August 05, 2023 12:34 PM (dtlDP)

172
An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a definite proposition... A contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of anything the other person says."

Debating is right out.
Posted by: Archimedes

THIS is debating:

https://youtu.be/fmO-ziHU_D8

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 05, 2023 12:36 PM (63Dwl)

173
I see someone else is trawling DU for over-the-top nonsense for us to point and laugh at!
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions

==============

Hee hee, I enjoy writing parody. Did I do good?

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at August 05, 2023 12:37 PM (lCaJd)

174 82 Prime Sister: You are correct! A nice dinner tonight is the least I can do

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at August 05, 2023 12:37 PM (xT8gx)

175 Do we really want them mentioning us? Would it make someone feel better somehow?

Would it make people feel like ace is having more of an impact?

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 05, 2023 12:37 PM (zZu0s)

176 >>I don't doubt that that ignorant little fascist would like to jail anyone who dares to disagree with her. That doesn't mean she's using words she understands.

Exactly. Here she tells Congress to butt out of DC's business. Uhhhhh? https://tinyurl.com/yc2snmx6

We have our Sheila Jackson-Lee 2.0 here, folks!
She claims she's been forced to go offtrack but then proceeds to read from her notes. OMG, how many in Congress are operating on this level? Explains so much

https://tinyurl.com/3x386r2z

Posted by: Lizzy at August 05, 2023 12:38 PM (avru5)

177 here's some disturbing stuff going on at NewsMax.

All I needed to know about NewsMax is that they mandated the ClotShot. Didn't drink Fauchi's Kool-Aid you hit the streets unemployed.

If Newsmax is that stupid a/o satanic to force poison into the veins of its own employees, they are too stupid a/o satanic to be trusted with disseminating news and information.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at August 05, 2023 12:39 PM (p8A+W)

178 ...If Trump is convicted and imprisoned, I have a feeling the Republican party uses it as an excuse to drop him from the ticket...

Half the Junta are Republicans.

The only way to expose the systemic vote fraud is by voting early and often. Write in 'vacant' if you have to.

Only when the Junta can no longer hide the incredible vote turnouts can the disqualifying fraud be fully exposed.

Trump-Biden election had the highest "turnout" ever, over 90% of registered voters. If anyone bothered to look they would have found many recincts with vote totals exceeding mul;tiple times the number of registered voters. This was found during the Michigan recount meant to benefit Hillary. One precionct had the Hillary vote over 300% the actual number of ballots cast.

... but there is no evidence of vote fraud...

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at August 05, 2023 12:39 PM (ga8qR)

179 https://youtu.be/fmO-ziHU_D8
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 05, 2023 12:36 PM (63Dwl)

WTF was that ?

Must have been an all black debate competition for them to win.

Posted by: polynikes at August 05, 2023 12:40 PM (MNhXM)

180 What law(s) is she accusing them of breaking. She's just saying "I don't like what they're doing so they must be prosecuted."

When Leviathan's operating system doesn't recognize Rule of Law, this is what you get - capricious, vicious persecutions.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at August 05, 2023 12:41 PM (p8A+W)

181 Debating is right out.
Posted by: Archimedes

I don't think we actually do much debating here. It's more a series of laments.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 05, 2023 12:41 PM (Keyt1)

182 Half the Junta are Republicans.

LOL! Try 90%+

Posted by: Reuben Hick at August 05, 2023 12:42 PM (p8A+W)

183 I don't know how it measures in actual views, but the "everyone who is anyone" crowd, to them you don't exist unless you're playing in their playground.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 05, 2023 12:29 PM (Ot8Xr)

I am very Okay with the enemy not knkwing enough about us to comment aboit us in theirbplaygrounds. There is no room for them over here.
Posted by: BifBewalski's Phone at August 05, 2023 12:31 PM (Toxwv)

Back in the day, we used to get, not just trolls, but actual oppositional commenters. Who argued their points.

Now we just get Paul. And the guy who keeps changing his nic when he wears out the one he's been using by pissing everyone off.

I think that's an indicator, they don't know we're here. For the most part. And I'm fine with that.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 05, 2023 12:42 PM (053ci)

184 Trump Talks Up Friendly Relationship With Gavin Newsom
https://tinyurl.com/2sub5tns

Newsom was mentioned warmly by the former president when responding to Carlson’s question about potential Democratic presidential candidates

“I used to get along great with him, you know, when I was president. Got along really good,” Trump said to a wide-eyed Carlson. “He was always very nice to me. Said the greatest things. He would say things like, ‘He’s doing a great job.’”

“About you?” Carlson asked in disbelief.

“About me. That’s why I could never hit him because he was so nice to me. Just laying in wait, right? But he was very nice to me—relatively speaking. Some of them weren’t. We did a good job for the governors. But they talk about him.”

Posted by: BeautifulHillaryClinton at August 05, 2023 12:43 PM (MFZ8i)

185 WTF was that ?

Must have been an all black debate competition for them to win.

OTOH, I'm sure the AWFLs who judged the competition felt very good about themselves, so there's that, which is nice.

Posted by: Archimedes at August 05, 2023 12:44 PM (eOEVl)

186 Trump knows damn well they will never get this shit to trial before the election, esp the FL case, which will have 5 or 6 Trump supporters on the jury

it is all downside for the prosecution. a Trump conviction would mean nothing to his supporters but an acquittal would be a nightmare scenario for the left

Jailing him would only make him into more of a martyr and maybe even get some yute votes for being the bad guy

he just gonna fuck with them

Trump knows the the political landscape is crumbling underneath the left's feet and will only get worse.

CNN just had a poll where a majority of respondents are against sending anymore stuff to Ukraine

that is just one of the things that will go sour for the left

If the election was this fall, they may have a chance but next year, they are screwed

Posted by: REDACTED at August 05, 2023 12:44 PM (us2H3)

187
::
THIS is debating:

https://youtu.be/fmO-ziHU_D8
::

LOL! The future is in the best of hands. Pity they both couldn't lose.

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at August 05, 2023 12:44 PM (NBVIP)

188 Lefties don’t come here because their positions get destroyed immediately by factual arguments that leave them angry and frustrated.

Now they just do hit and run comments.

Posted by: polynikes at August 05, 2023 12:44 PM (MNhXM)

189 Debating is right out.
Posted by: Archimedes

I don't think we actually do much debating here. It's more a series of laments.

Possibly, but there are few places where one can use the phrase "right out" and everyone knows its provenance.

Posted by: Archimedes at August 05, 2023 12:45 PM (eOEVl)

190 Pakistan:

Protestors out in the streets of Peshawar after Imran Khan [the former prime minister] was sentenced to 3 years in Jail & disqualified from politics in a dubious case.

Lot of that going around.

Posted by: Only WE Can Silence The Truth! at August 05, 2023 12:45 PM (2tUFv)

191 Protestors out in the streets of Peshawar after Imran Khan [the former prime minister] was sentenced to 3 years in Jail & disqualified from politics in a dubious case.

Government has ordered to shutdown internet services in Islamabad and Rawalpindi as protests erupted in different parts of cities.

Pakistan’s Election commission is now set to announce the date of general elections after disqualification of Imran Khan.

The Deep State excitedly taking notes...

Posted by: Only WE Can Silence The Truth! at August 05, 2023 12:47 PM (2tUFv)

192
Protestors out in the streets of Peshawar after Imran Khan [the former prime minister] was sentenced to 3 years in Jail & disqualified from politics in a dubious case.

Lot of that going around.
Posted by: Only WE Can Silence The Truth!

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I wonder when Secretary Blinken will condemn this unthinkable act of political lawfare.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at August 05, 2023 12:47 PM (lCaJd)

193 What law(s) is she accusing them of breaking. She's just saying "I don't like what they're doing so they must be prosecuted."

Posted by: Lizzy at August 05, 2023 12:16 PM (avru5)

It is what they are doing with Trump.
Just got to be creative. Jack Smith is creative.

Does anything maybe they have been doing this for some time?\Jack Smithy has been.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at August 05, 2023 12:47 PM (ga8qR)

194

Posted by: Only WE Can Silence The Truth! at August 05, 2023 12:47 PM (2tUFv)

195 > Rep. @JasmineForUS (D-Texas): Republicans defending Trump "are getting dangerously close, in my opinion, to criminal culpability in and of themselves, as well"
_____________

This is the narrative the left is using now. If you "defend" someone they dislike, or in the case of Trump, someone they hate and is currently being harassed by the DoJ and presumed guilty then you, as a "defender" are guilty too.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 05, 2023 12:48 PM (Q4IgG)

196 He's been an absolute disaster, as he's never there when something goes wrong, takes days/weeks to respond publicly, if at all. He's always on a secret paternity leave or international vacation -- is he ever actually in the office?!?

I think the whole point of who was anointed into these appointed positions was supposed to be AWOL, retarded, or so perverted that there was no way that they would interfere with the Deep State operations that were going on long before these sinecures appeared and long after they leave.

Pete was supposed to be ~~on the side of a milk carton.~~ just missing without anyone looking for him. The unions drive the ports, OTR and railroads and captured regulators and patrons of connected politicians have a nice manus manum lavat system going. Don't need some fly-in interloper who will be gone in a few years to insert themselves into the graft.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at August 05, 2023 12:48 PM (p8A+W)

197
I didn't do that, and I don't know how to undo it. But I'll try.
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Posted by: Blonde Morticia at August 05, 2023 12:48 PM (lCaJd)

198 188 Lefties don’t come here because their positions get destroyed immediately by factual arguments that leave them angry and frustrated.

Now they just do hit and run comments.

Posted by: polynikes at August 05, 2023 12:44 PM (MNhXM)

That sounds too self congratulatory for my tastes. We have a tendency to do that thing when we do argue where people get emotionally invested in the outcome and whether they are seen as 'winning' or not. ace is as guilty as anyone else. It tips way too often from intellectual engagement into emotional ones (see AtC.)

I am not sure it is a good thing that people do not actually argue about much any more. It makes you mentally rusty and emotionally fragile.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 05, 2023 12:48 PM (zZu0s)

199
Nope. Someone else, please.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at August 05, 2023 12:48 PM (lCaJd)

200 And that is how it works.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at August 05, 2023 12:48 PM (p8A+W)

201 Trump-Biden election had the highest "turnout" ever, over 90% of registered voters. If anyone bothered to look they would have found many recincts with vote totals exceeding mul;tiple times the number of registered voters. This was found during the Michigan recount meant to benefit Hillary. One precionct had the Hillary vote over 300% the actual number of ballots cast.

... but there is no evidence of vote fraud...
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at August 05, 2023 12:39 PM (ga8qR)

Crowder had his crew go around and find addresses where voters were listed... and found quite a few vacant lots, warehouses, and even street numbers that didn't exist.

But Crowder yelled at his wife once, and turned down $50 mil from the corporate right, so F him.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 05, 2023 12:49 PM (f9D/y)

202 200 And that is how it works.
Posted by: Reuben Hick at August 05, 2023 12:48 PM (p8A+W)

Nice walk off.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 05, 2023 12:49 PM (zZu0s)

203 Half the Junta are Republicans.

LOL! Try 90%+
Posted by: Reuben Hic

No math, if all the Donks are in the Junta, and all the Repubs are in the Junta, that would make half the Junta Repubs.

Assuming equal numbers of Donks and Repubs, of course.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at August 05, 2023 12:50 PM (ga8qR)

204 I love the Community episode on debating.

Man is good . Counterpoint Man is evil.

Posted by: polynikes at August 05, 2023 12:51 PM (MNhXM)

205 Eugene Deb, 1920… a relevant precedent now. That scumbag Woodrow Wilson had Debs thrown in prison on fake charges…. It wound its way through the court system. Bottom line: He remained on the ballot and ran for president from prison (socialist part IIRC). So if Trump ends up in prison before Nov 24 there is nothing legally that can be done… he’ll run from prison. The GOPe can whine and scheme all thru want… if (really when) Trump goes to the convention with the prohibitive majority of delegates, he’s the nominee. Both Dems and NTers are wishcasting if they think these legal cases keep him from running.

Now practically, the timing of the cases and potential appeals…. Highly highly unlikely he’ll be in prison on Election Day 2024 anyway

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at August 05, 2023 12:51 PM (xT8gx)

206 150 then there’s debating which has been a cornerstone of human advancement."

Plus coffee.
Posted by: Quarter Twenty at August 05, 2023 12:22 PM (NBVIP)

Coffee for debating, whiskey for arguing.
Posted by: polynikes at August 05, 2023 12:23 PM

The secret to our success is mixing both!

Posted by: The Irish at August 05, 2023 12:51 PM (QG++7)

207 Well, well, look at what we have here: the New York Times has finally caught up with what every sensible person knew at least ten years ago—California’s high-speed rail project is a joke. “America’s first experiment with high-speed rail has become a multi-billion-dollar nightmare,” the Times says in a long feature today

//

Yeah but they’re not saying high speed rail is a bad idea. They’re saying it’s a great idea. Just implemented badly. Kind of like how socialism - which always fails - is a good idea just implemented poorly every time.

Posted by: Montec at August 05, 2023 12:51 PM (/kWVN)

208 No math, if all the Donks are in the Junta, and all the Repubs are in the Junta, that would make half the Junta Repubs.

Working on my reading comprehension.... yep, you are right.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at August 05, 2023 12:52 PM (p8A+W)

209 Posted by: REDACTED at August 05, 2023 12:44 PM (us2H3)

That' was awfully positive statement. You sure you belong here?

Posted by: Outside of Life at August 05, 2023 12:52 PM (89Sog)

210 What does "criminal culpability" mean in that sentence?
What law(s) is she accusing them of breaking.

-
WrongThink

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at August 05, 2023 12:52 PM (Irvtd)

211 Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 05, 2023 12:48 PM (zZu0s)

Our internal squabbles are different. We have the right to be self congratulatory because this is probably the only blog that has a non registered comment section and is not infested with trolls. There is a reason for that .

Posted by: polynikes at August 05, 2023 12:53 PM (MNhXM)

212 The Junta with Hunter Treasure Hunt!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at August 05, 2023 12:54 PM (Irvtd)

213 soon, the Treasury is gonna have to start converting trillions of $$ of bonds, bonds which are at a very low rate

refinancing at the current rate will blow a large hole in the deficit

Joetato will stop talking about the deficit

Posted by: REDACTED at August 05, 2023 12:55 PM (us2H3)

214 What kind of dump is he standing in?
Posted by: Infidel

Isn't that a train yard with Amazon boxes strewn about? I recall dindunuffins were raiding trains awhile back.

Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at August 05, 2023 12:56 PM (Mzdiz)

215 And the Israeli Supreme Court is about to issue a ruling that the Knesset can not put any curbs on the power of the judiciary, by overturning a law the Knesset passed limiting the power of the judiciary.

Judicial dictatorship.

Judges in Israel are selected by a committee, a majority of whom are current judges and members of the Left-wing Israel Bar Association.

The legislature has no say in the selection of judges.

Caroline Glick thinks that this will lead to a literal civil war in Israel.

https://tinyurl.com/mrybubzv

Posted by: Only WE Can Silence The Truth! at August 05, 2023 12:56 PM (2tUFv)

216 209 Posted by: REDACTED at August 05, 2023 12:44 PM (us2H3)

That' was awfully positive statement. You sure you belong here?
Posted by: Outside of Life at August 05, 2023 12:52 PM (89Sog)

everyone enjoys slumming once and a while

Posted by: REDACTED at August 05, 2023 12:56 PM (us2H3)

217 Yeah but they’re not saying high speed rail is a bad idea. They’re saying it’s a great idea. Just implemented badly.

I'm constantly amazed at how so many people believe that a little bit of garbage in wine yields wine. Politicians, bureaucrats and other parasites never add value to any project, they are the garbage in the wine. The mere fact a bureaucrat, NGO, activist group, etc. inserts themselves into any well meaning project guarantees less than optimum results. When most of a project is make-work, graft, corruption, sinecures, skimmers, cheats and embezzlers it is foolish to think that the project, no matter what it is, will flourish and succeed.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at August 05, 2023 12:56 PM (p8A+W)

218 What is DU?

Posted by: Inquiring mind at August 05, 2023 12:56 PM (3bqKz)

219 Posted by: REDACTED at August 05, 2023 12:44 PM (us2H3)

Simple concept... the majority of US now KNOW they lied to us about Covid...

So why trust them about Russia?

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 05, 2023 12:57 PM (oHd/0)

220 I've said before...do not discount Gavin Newsom because he's dumb. This makes him all the more dangerous .

Posted by: San Franpsycho at August 05, 2023 12:57 PM (RIvkX)

221 We have the right to be self congratulatory because this is probably the only blog that has a non registered comment section and is not infested with trolls. There is a reason for that .
Posted by: polynikes at August 05, 2023 12:53 PM (MNhXM)

*thinks of Paul's lack of IQ*
*remembers the absolute merciless ridicule glowies get*

Pretty certain the dumbasses don't like getting their heads verbally shoved up their asses so they can see where their ignorant politics comes from.

Posted by: BifBewalski's Phone at August 05, 2023 12:57 PM (Toxwv)

222 I am not sure it is a good thing that people do not actually argue about much any more. It makes you mentally rusty and emotionally fragile.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 05, 2023 12:48 PM (zZu0s)

Agreed. It's a tendency one sees elsewhere, much more than here, but it happens here too. Arguments quickly devolve into attacks, and especially turn into someone else defining what you said into a caricature of what you believe, and you can either defend yourself, saying that's not what I said, or you can tell them to F off.

These days I'm more inclined to the latter, because I've been through it way too many times.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 05, 2023 12:57 PM (5PP+G)

223 I haven't seen any mention here of some news tat came out yesterday the DeSantis is now claiming the 2020 election was clean.

If he did this he's pretty much toast.

Posted by: pawn at August 05, 2023 12:58 PM (wsHtO)

224 Beria would be quite proud of the DOJ

Posted by: Skip at August 05, 2023 12:58 PM (MOY79)

225 Posted by: Only WE Can Silence The Truth! at August 05, 2023 12:56 PM (2tUFv)

The term for that is Kritarchy... which, strangely enough, only has ONE historic precedent... and it was a Jewish Government.

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 05, 2023 12:59 PM (oHd/0)

226 I haven't seen any mention here of some news tat came out yesterday the DeSantis is now claiming the 2020 election was clean.

Link?

Posted by: Archimedes at August 05, 2023 12:59 PM (eOEVl)

227 How can you trust someone who not bought and paid for? Who relies on a fickle "audience" instead of reliable funders?

Posted by: Ben Shapiro and Glen Beck at August 05, 2023 01:00 PM (QG++7)

228 What is DU?
Posted by: Inquiring mind at August 05, 2023 12:56 PM (3bqKz)

Democrat Underground-leftist website.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 05, 2023 01:00 PM (Keyt1)

229 223 I haven't seen any mention here of some news tat came out yesterday the DeSantis is now claiming the 2020 election was clean.

If he did this he's pretty much toast.
Posted by: pawn at August 05, 2023 12:58 PM (wsHtO)

the meatball is the Ryan Leaf of politics

no, not Leaf, Johnny Manziel

Posted by: REDACTED at August 05, 2023 01:00 PM (us2H3)

230 Caroline Glick thinks that this will lead to a literal civil war in Israel.

What in hell do they think has been going on since the day Israel raised its flag?

Or is all of this crap about a Two-Nation-State fiction? Its like the FUSA, we have two nations fighting for the same physical land: Heritage America and Leviathan. The former are nationalist, the latter are globalists just looking for a host to attach to for the pleasure of plundering and terrorizing.

Israel has one group similar to Leviathan who wants to kill all of their opposition.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at August 05, 2023 01:01 PM (p8A+W)

231 I'm sorry; It's official name is "Democratic Underground".

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 05, 2023 01:01 PM (Keyt1)

232 I don't care quite too much to read the article, but I bet the NYT piece about high speed rail doesn't mention much about America's other (semi) high speed rail project since it's privately owned, seems to be mostly functional, and it indirectly makes a certain donk-unfriendly southern governor look even better than he already does.

I didn't know about Brightline either until I was chatting with a guy in Europe--on a train, of course--who works in the travel industry. Apparently it's a pretty big deal and those guys are watching it closely as a bellwether for future US based infrastructure projects.

Posted by: CppThis at August 05, 2023 01:02 PM (PZvjL)

233 220 I've said before...do not discount Gavin Newsom because he's dumb. This makes him all the more dangerous .
Posted by: San Franpsycho at August 05, 2023 12:57 PM

It worked for us!

Posted by: Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, John Fetterman at August 05, 2023 01:02 PM (QG++7)

234 I haven't seen any mention here of some news tat came out yesterday the DeSantis is now claiming the 2020 election was clean.

If that is true, then he must have gone to a clandestine meeting with WEF to participate in the Suck The Dick Initiation Ritual

Posted by: Reuben Hick at August 05, 2023 01:04 PM (p8A+W)

235 There really is nothing to argue about anymore.

From the role of the federal and local governments to the role the front or back holes play in the bedroom, the democrats and their lackeys are wrong about everything.

Everything.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 05, 2023 01:04 PM (R/m4+)

236 Link to WA Post:

https://tinyurl.com/3ujt8aca

Just search on "DeSantis election denier trump"

Posted by: pawn at August 05, 2023 01:05 PM (wsHtO)

237 I've said before...do not discount Gavin Newsom because he's dumb. This makes him all the more dangerous .
Posted by: San Franpsycho at August 05, 2023 12:57 PM (RIvkX)

I think the Kennedy clan is illustrative. Jack was charming, Bobby was the smart one, and Teddy was an imbecile. It was possible to elect Jack because of his charm, and Teddy would have been elected eventually, if he hadn't taken a wrong turn on a bridge one night. Bobby? I think it's very likely he would have been beaten by Nixon, pretty much the same as Humphrey was.

Brains are not the determinant, is the point.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 05, 2023 01:05 PM (5PP+G)

238
Yeah but they’re not saying high speed rail is a bad idea. They’re saying it’s a great idea. Just implemented badly. Kind of like how socialism - which always fails - is a good idea just implemented poorly every time.
Posted by: Montec

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My point is that this should be hung around Newsollini's neck. He can't lay track in a straight line through flat, empty land.

Any time he stands up in debate and promises some thing or other, his opponent should say "How's that fast train coming?"

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at August 05, 2023 01:05 PM (lCaJd)

239 The term for that is Kritarchy... which, strangely enough, only has ONE historic precedent... and it was a Jewish Government.
Posted by: Romeo13 at August 05, 2023 12:59 PM (oHd/0)
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I doubt that the leftists in Israel are looking to the Tanach or Pirke Avot for their rulings.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at August 05, 2023 01:06 PM (RIvkX)

240 Here are Desantis' exact words. (CNN)

DeSantis said elsewhere Friday that the “theories” put out by former President Donald Trump and his associates following the 2020 election were “unsubstantiated” and “did not prove to be true.”

“I’ve said many times, the election is what it is. All those theories that were put out, did not prove to be true,” DeSantis, a Republican presidential candidate, told reporters traveling on his Never Back Down bus tour in Iowa. “What I’ve also said is the way you conduct a good election that people have confidence in, you don’t change the rules in the middle of the game.”

“It was not an election that was conducted the way I think we want to, but that’s different than saying, like, ‘Maduro stolen votes’ or something like that,” he added, in reference to Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro. “I think those theories, you know, proved to be unsubstantiated.”

https://tinyurl.com/mr39wtuu

I disagree with what DeSantis said here about the (unspecified) theories being proven unsubstantiated, but that's a long way from saying it was a clean election, and he makes that point.

Posted by: Archimedes at August 05, 2023 01:06 PM (eOEVl)

241 Still no post about President Biden being fully exonerated from corrupt business dealings?

Posted by: Sid - Aviators are Off at August 05, 2023 01:06 PM (r5wZ6)

242 It is possible for Gavin to be the nominee next year but to have a chance, he will have to reject Joetato's polices

which will cost him the election

Gavin's a greaseball putz but he's not gonna be anyone's clean up boy

Posted by: REDACTED at August 05, 2023 01:06 PM (us2H3)

243
Ron DeSantis acknowledged on Friday that many of the false claims promoted by former President Donald Trump in the aftermath of the 2020 election were “unsubstantiated.”

According to a report from The New York Times, while addressing reporters after a campaign event in Iowa, the Florida governor and presidential hopeful said that the “theories that were put out” following Trump’s election loss “did not prove to be true.”

Yahoo News. Also CNN and New York Times. Ron is getting headlines in all the wrong places.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at August 05, 2023 01:07 PM (enJYY)

244 it happens here too. Arguments quickly devolve into attacks, and especially turn into someone else defining what you said into a caricature of what you believe,

—-

Me: I think taxes on the ultra rich should be increased in exchange for lower taxes on the middle and upper middle class. It would be a winning political message.

Within 8 seconds someone comments: oh so you hate capitalism huh?

Posted by: Montec at August 05, 2023 01:07 PM (/kWVN)

245 ...Governor Of State People Are Fleeing From Agrees To Debate Governor Of State They Are Fleeing To ...

They all need to keep going north and east, Oregon Washington Colorado... do not want in southeast.

Those fleeing may think of themselves as conservatives, but on a more objective scale they are more toward "pink locusts".*

*Morons excluded.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at August 05, 2023 01:07 PM (ga8qR)

246 Test comment.

Posted by: Brand X at August 05, 2023 01:07 PM (geLO8)

247 Posted by: Reuben Hick at August 05, 2023 01:01 PM (p8A+W)

Israel started off as a socialist country by both necessity and culture. It probably hasn’t been necessary for a long time now but culture has allowed it to remain.

Posted by: polynikes at August 05, 2023 01:08 PM (MNhXM)

248 the meatball is the Ryan Leaf of politics

no, not Leaf, Johnny Manziel
Posted by: REDACTED at August 05, 2023 01:00 PM (us2H3)

Who was the steroid buy, out of Oklahoma, I think. Brian Bosworth (had to look it up).

Looked good on paper, then ran into Bo Jackson (or vice versa). Revealed to be lacking in... substance. The non-injectable kind.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 05, 2023 01:08 PM (5PP+G)

249 234 I haven't seen any mention here of some news tat came out yesterday the DeSantis is now claiming the 2020 election was clean.

If that is true, then he must have gone to a clandestine meeting with WEF to participate in the Suck The Dick Initiation Ritual
Posted by: Reuben Hick at August 05, 2023 01:04 PM

While I support Trump over DeSantis by a wide margin, the amount of lies and misinformation surrounding DeSantis has been staggering. Any outrageous claims about him I automatically assume are false until proof is presented.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at August 05, 2023 01:08 PM (QG++7)

250 ILLEGAL CHINESE BIOLAB.

How is this not an act of war?

Posted by: Smallish Bees at August 05, 2023 01:09 PM (f3gOc)

251
I don't care quite too much to read the article, but I bet the NYT piece about high speed rail doesn't mention much about America's other (semi) high speed rail project since it's privately owned, seems to be mostly functional, and it indirectly makes a certain donk-unfriendly southern governor look even better than he already does.

Posted by: CppThis

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Hah, that example was provided ages ago by a certain Republican mayor in San Diego. Pete Wilson built a train from the Mexican border to the town center without a federal dime. I only know from talking to my mom about it, don't have a handy article to link to, but she says it was built on time, on budget, had full ridership, and was reasonably priced. It still runs -- in fact, it's been expanded -- but those projects are probably federally funded, over budget, etc.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at August 05, 2023 01:09 PM (lCaJd)

252 Our comments are better.

Posted by: Brand Y at August 05, 2023 01:10 PM (NBVIP)

253 Newsom isn’t stupid. Just like Biden isn’t stupid just like Bush isn’t stupid just like Obama isn’t stupid. Nobody gets to that level of power by being stupid. Calling them stupid is a lazy argument and both sides do it.

Posted by: Montec at August 05, 2023 01:10 PM (/kWVN)

254 Rep. @JasmineForUS (D-Texas): Republicans defending Trump "are getting dangerously close, in my opinion, to criminal culpability in and of themselves, as well"

Imagine a conversation between this idiot and Harris.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 05, 2023 01:10 PM (e4fEA)

255 Do not assume a politician is dumb just because they say something dumb.

Posted by: davidt at August 05, 2023 01:10 PM (SYTee)

256 Ron DeSantis acknowledged on Friday that many of the false claims promoted by former President Donald Trump in the aftermath of the 2020 election were “unsubstantiated.”

According to a report from The New York Times, while addressing reporters after a campaign event in Iowa, the Florida governor and presidential hopeful said that the “theories that were put out” following Trump’s election loss “did not prove to be true.”

Yahoo News. Also CNN and New York Times. Ron is getting headlines in all the wrong places.

Read it carefully. RDS didn't say "false" claims, that's Yahoo.

See my #240. Regardless, he made a mistake here.

Posted by: Archimedes at August 05, 2023 01:10 PM (eOEVl)

257 I sent Barr my lucky "Billy Joe McCallister" coon's dick for his upcoming flight

Posted by: REDACTED at August 05, 2023 01:10 PM (us2H3)

258
ILLEGAL CHINESE BIOLAB.

How is this not an act of war?
Posted by: Smallish Bees

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It was funded by Newsom, that's how. So it was a shining example of international scientific cooperation between two friendly nations... sorry, gonna have to go to DU's Intercepts for this one!

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at August 05, 2023 01:11 PM (lCaJd)

259 Our internal squabbles are different. We have the right to be self congratulatory because this is probably the only blog that has a non registered comment section and is not infested with trolls. There is a reason for that .
Posted by: polynikes at August 05, 2023 12:53 PM (MNhXM)

I am not sure they are. We agree 99% of the time, so we do not sharpen our arguments, but ace is not wrong that when people are arguing Trump v Desantis (and ace is just as guilty of this as anyone) the arguments go brittle and devolve into what Burt just described.

You go from being one tribe and speaking the same language into ... it is like people cannot/will not even try to see the other person's argument any more. It becomes almost cultural/tribal.

Reason is replaced by passion and then you get people making over statements and on and on.

On certain topics, we do not argue- we assert. When that assertion is denied by the other party, well then if things go well we are brought back together by our love of boobs and freedom, or people flounce and then their pride gets in the way. No one can admit they are wrong and so the group is made poorer from not having the dissonant note.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 05, 2023 01:11 PM (zZu0s)

260 Arch,

Sorry, I paraphrased. My bad.

Kill me now, it's becoming a tradition around here.

It's still pretty FU though.

Posted by: pawn at August 05, 2023 01:11 PM (wsHtO)

261 While I support Trump over DeSantis by a wide margin, the amount of lies and misinformation surrounding DeSantis has been staggering. Any outrageous claims about him I automatically assume are false until proof is presented.

This is the way.

Posted by: Archimedes at August 05, 2023 01:11 PM (eOEVl)

262 I know from personal experience, having worked in his mayoral administration.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at August 05, 2023 01:12 PM (RIvkX)

263 What in hell do they think has been going on since the day Israel raised its flag?

The Left used to control everything in Israel.

Then Menachem Begin got elected, and then Bibi.

The Left's political power has been declining in Israel for decades, and in response the Left-wing judiciary has become increasingly aggressive to preserve the Left's prerogatives and power.

Posted by: Only WE Can Silence The Truth! at August 05, 2023 01:12 PM (2tUFv)

264 Arch,

Sorry, I paraphrased. My bad.

Kill me now, it's becoming a tradition around here.

I've been killed innumerable times here. You get used to it.

Posted by: Archimedes at August 05, 2023 01:12 PM (eOEVl)

265 Plus you know his remarks are going to be taken out of context so why make them at all.

Not a smart move.

Posted by: pawn at August 05, 2023 01:13 PM (wsHtO)

266 Newsom isn’t stupid. Just like Biden isn’t stupid just like Bush isn’t stupid just like Obama isn’t stupid. Nobody gets to that level of power by being stupid. Calling them stupid is a lazy argument and both sides do it.
Posted by: Montec at August 05, 2023 01:10 PM (/kWVN)

Obama is not stupid but he’s not intelligent. Plenty of facts to back that up. Same with Biden.

Posted by: polynikes at August 05, 2023 01:13 PM (MNhXM)

267 I been saying for years that if state legislatures had just done their fucking jobs instead of sitting on their hands while governors unilaterally imposed Calvinball election rules during the political world's most convenient and not-wasted crisis ever, a lot of this sturm und drang about election results could have been avoided. Sounds like what Darth Santa was getting at.

Posted by: CppThis at August 05, 2023 01:13 PM (PZvjL)

268 253 Newsom isn’t stupid. Just like Biden isn’t stupid just like Bush isn’t stupid just like Obama isn’t stupid. Nobody gets to that level of power by being stupid. Calling them stupid is a lazy argument and both sides do it.
Posted by: Montec at August 05, 2023 01:10 PM (/kWVN)

Agreed, with reservations. You get into the weeds when you argue intelligence vs cleverness or survivability.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 05, 2023 01:13 PM (zZu0s)

269
My plan for the DOE: All responsibilities are stripped except one: No one in this country graduates high school unless they can pass a civics test in English.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at August 05, 2023 01:13 PM (lCaJd)

270 Posted by: Archimedes at August 05, 2023 01:06 PM (eOEVl)

no he's trying to have it both ways. He's trying to please the NTs as well as the Trump Ride or Die crowd.

IOW, weasel words. And it's stupid. I have spoken to many many people who are neither right-wing nor Republican who tell me the 2020 election was obviously rigged. This is not rocket science.

Posted by: kallisto at August 05, 2023 01:14 PM (dCxaZ)

271 I haven't seen any mention here of some news tat came out yesterday the DeSantis is now claiming the 2020 election was clean.
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If that is true, then he must have gone to a clandestine meeting with WEF to participate in the Suck The Dick Initiation Ritual
Posted by: Reuben Hick at August 05, 2023 01:04 PM (p8A+W)

If it's true, and I don't know that it is, then it would be an indicator of my favorite scenario: They met him in a dark parking garage, showed him an envelope with pictures in it, and told him they still have the negatives.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 05, 2023 01:14 PM (053ci)

272 Can't say know a whole lot of Israeli politics, but what articles I do read it sure looks like Israeli is a small one state going on like our 50 state country with Leftists trying to take out opposition.

Posted by: Skip at August 05, 2023 01:14 PM (MOY79)

273 My plan for the DOE: All responsibilities are stripped except one: No one in this country graduates high school unless they can pass a civics test in English.

Preferably one with a robust math section.

Posted by: Archimedes at August 05, 2023 01:14 PM (eOEVl)

274 Posted by: Sid - Aviators are Off at August 05, 2023 01:06 PM (r5wZ6)

You're a sock, correct, (?) because it would be hard to be a real leftist poster and so totally and incredibly clueless.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 05, 2023 01:14 PM (Keyt1)

275 Me: I think taxes on the ultra rich should be increased in exchange for lower taxes on the middle and upper middle class. It would be a winning political message.

Within 8 seconds someone comments: oh so you hate capitalism huh?
Posted by: Montec at August 05, 2023 01:07 PM (/kWVN)

And you will be promptly informed that the Hot Air button is thataway.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 05, 2023 01:14 PM (053ci)

276 It is not possible to use reason to win an argument against emotion.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at August 05, 2023 01:15 PM (RIvkX)

277 Who is Dark Brandon? I have a guess but really don't know.

Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at August 05, 2023 01:15 PM (CIIt0)

278 no he's trying to have it both ways. He's trying to please the NTs as well as the Trump Ride or Die crowd.

IOW, weasel words. And it's stupid. I have spoken to many many people who are neither right-wing nor Republican who tell me the 2020 election was obviously rigged. This is not rocket science.

I don't really disagree. I think he was being too clever by half. The poll I saw yesterday said that 69% of Republicans think the election was rigged. I'm one of them.

Posted by: Archimedes at August 05, 2023 01:15 PM (eOEVl)

279 Social media comments section pretty much destroyed the political debate. It’s not “I disagree and here is why” it’s now all “you’re 1000% wrong and fuck off h8er”.

Posted by: Montec at August 05, 2023 01:16 PM (/kWVN)

280
Defrosted refrigerator. Decided to pull refrigerator away from wall and clean under it. OMG Level 4 bio-hazard from dead mice and mouse crap.

Ask your physician if bubonic plaque is right for you.

Back to politics. I invite Ron DeSantis to explain the 2020 election returns in PA where 80,000 more ballots were cast then voters. How our Secretary of State 'certified' that result. How the hell do you 'certify' obvious fraud? Sorry, Ron - but you're not getting my vote if you're uneducated about the 2020 steal.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at August 05, 2023 01:16 PM (enJYY)

281 247 Israel started off as a socialist country by both necessity and culture. It probably hasn’t been necessary for a long time now but culture has allowed it to remain.
Posted by: polynikes at August 05, 2023 01:08 PM

Constant threat of annihilation, a relatively homogeneous population, and an affluent (relatively capitalist) economy can make a socialist (really mostly VERY generous social welfare state) successful. People can't get away with mooching off the system and not contributing to society in their system, like they can here.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at August 05, 2023 01:16 PM (QG++7)

282 Dark Brandon is the dude that took out Corn Pop.

Posted by: pawn at August 05, 2023 01:16 PM (wsHtO)

283 I can't imagine Hannity moderating a debate. How are the debaters going to get a word in edgewise?

Posted by: Emmie at August 05, 2023 01:16 PM (FZziV)

284 The dems knew it was rigged.

-remember the reports of the dancing in the streets in... NYC(?) and when a postal truck passed through, the crowd cheered.

-the TIME article on all the 'fortification' of the election

-the half brain moron married to the other half brained moron who inherited Fox?

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 05, 2023 01:17 PM (zZu0s)

285 Can't say know a whole lot of Israeli politics, but what articles I do read it sure looks like Israeli is a small one state going on like our 50 state country with Leftists trying to take out opposition.
Posted by: Skip at August 05, 2023 01:14 PM (MOY79)
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Perfect. Except they have a history of socialism and leftist politics much more deep than we do.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at August 05, 2023 01:17 PM (RIvkX)

286 Here are my thoughts on Newsom and a question for him. "When you were the Mayor of SanFrancisco your term was marked by more people leaving the city than coming in. The same thing has happened as Governor of California. Why should anyone vote for you and if elected where will the move to next?"

Posted by: Picric at August 05, 2023 01:17 PM (13tTk)

287 265 Plus you know his remarks are going to be taken out of context so why make them at all.

Not a smart move.
Posted by: pawn at August 05, 2023 01:13 PM (wsHtO)

I do agree that wading into the election thing is an unforced error. I mean yeah, sure, the other guy is making it his number one talking point and attack ads gonna attack ad, but RDS's strongest selling point is his proven reputation for getting shit done and he loses by default if he gets dragged down into the mud.

Posted by: CppThis at August 05, 2023 01:17 PM (PZvjL)

288 I simply don't understand the appeal of Newsom to anyone.

Posted by: That Northernlurker what lurkd at August 05, 2023 01:17 PM (aCNZ6)

289 We agree 99% of the time, so we do not sharpen our arguments,

I did not know the following was resolved:

• Ginger vs Maryann
• long bow vs cross bow
• 9mm vs .45ACP
• Trump v DeSantis
• birdbath status
• Is Big Mike actually a Sasquatch or Wookie?

Posted by: Reuben Hick at August 05, 2023 01:18 PM (p8A+W)

290 While I support Trump over DeSantis by a wide margin, the amount of lies and misinformation surrounding DeSantis has been staggering. Any outrageous claims about him I automatically assume are false until proof is presented.
Posted by: Moron Analyst at August 05, 2023 01:08 PM (QG++7)

His response to the Ukraine question was, essentially, we shouldn't be focusing on Ukraine, we should be focusing on China.

Yes, that's a paraphrase, but it was a weasel answer to a direct question about what to do regarding Ukraine.

To me, it's a disqualifier. No matter what else the guy says/does, I'm done with him.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 05, 2023 01:18 PM (053ci)

291 Who is Dark Brandon? I have a guess but really don't know.
Posted by: Chairborne!

It's from a meme about Biden being a superhero with infrared eyes. Apparently, Biden campaign (?) is selling a coffee cup with this image.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 05, 2023 01:18 PM (Keyt1)

292 DeSantis cannot weasel his way to s nomination.
GOPers already have that niche filled.
His dad ay to victory would have been to campaign to the right of Trump, live up to the DeathSantis moniker, not to triangulate like an effing Clinton

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at August 05, 2023 01:19 PM (M2qjg)

293 277 Who is Dark Brandon? I have a guess but really don't know.
Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at August 05, 2023 01:15 PM (CIIt0)

How did you miss that chestnut?

Biden. It was the happy crappy nickname the commies were going with about how cool Biden was.

About the same time as the blood red Reichstag speech.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 05, 2023 01:19 PM (zZu0s)

294 234 I haven't seen any mention here of some news tat came out yesterday the DeSantis is now claiming the 2020 election was clean.

If that is true, then he must have gone to a clandestine meeting with WEF to participate in the Suck The Dick Initiation Ritual
Posted by: Reuben Hick at August 05, 2023 01:04 PM (p8A+W)
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You mean the interview where DeSantis talked about the Democrats stealing the election via the corona virus election rules Trump ushered in & ballot harvesting?
That interview?

Posted by: BeautifulHillaryClinton at August 05, 2023 01:19 PM (MFZ8i)

295 I simply don't understand the appeal of Newsom to anyone.

Right? He's a Dapper Dan man, and everyone else uses Fop.

Posted by: Archimedes at August 05, 2023 01:19 PM (eOEVl)

296 Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 05, 2023 01:11 PM (zZu0s)

Heh this is one of the things that aggravate me about discussions at aos.

The original point I was making was that Leftist trolls don’t come here because they get destroyed by factual arguments and we have a right to be proud of that.

Now somehow it’s shifted to aos commenters don’t debate with each other even though I said our internal squabbles are different than how we handle Leftist trolls.

It’s the way of aos and I’ve learned to live with it.

Posted by: polynikes at August 05, 2023 01:19 PM (MNhXM)

297 Democrats of current year literally want to mutilate and screw children. I doubt Newsom being a drunk will result in a reduction of his support base.

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at August 05, 2023 01:19 PM (DTX3h)

298
Read it carefully. RDS didn't say "false" claims, that's Yahoo.

Posted by: Archimedes at August 05, 2023 01:10 PM

I knew that immediately, Yahoo was just piling on. It's what the left does every time. But what Ron did say I found offensive.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at August 05, 2023 01:20 PM (enJYY)

299 "288 I simply don't understand the appeal of Newsom to anyone."

The (D) after his name, and The Democrat Propaganda Media.

Posted by: davidt at August 05, 2023 01:20 PM (SYTee)

300
It is possible for Gavin to be the nominee next year but to have a chance, he will have to reject Joetato's polices

Posted by: REDACTED

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I haven't observed Newsollini that closely, but I bet we could detect rhetorical banana peels around Joe that Newsollini has tossed down.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at August 05, 2023 01:20 PM (lCaJd)

301 Ron DeSantis acknowledged on Friday that many of the false claims promoted by former President Donald Trump in the aftermath of the 2020 election were “unsubstantiated.”

According to a report from The New York Times, while addressing reporters after a campaign event in Iowa, the Florida governor and presidential hopeful said that the “theories that were put out” following Trump’s election loss “did not prove to be true.”

Yahoo News. Also CNN and New York Times. Ron is getting headlines in all the wrong places.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at August 05, 2023 01:07 PM (enJYY)

As DeSantis continues to campaign, the slime is beginning to appear. His "advisers" should be re-evaluated. Or maybe it really is his opinion.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at August 05, 2023 01:21 PM (BdMk6)

302 Newsom still drinks alcohol to this day

But does he still use Hunter Biden Bolivian Marching Powder?

Posted by: Only WE Can Silence The Truth! at August 05, 2023 01:21 PM (2tUFv)

303 Gavin Newsom is an admitted sexual harasser. Just like Willie Brown. Just like Willie Clinton.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at August 05, 2023 01:21 PM (RIvkX)

304 290 While I support Trump over DeSantis by a wide margin, the amount of lies and misinformation surrounding DeSantis has been staggering. Any outrageous claims about him I automatically assume are false until proof is presented.
Posted by: Moron Analyst at August 05, 2023 01:08 PM (QG++7)

His response to the Ukraine question was, essentially, we shouldn't be focusing on Ukraine, we should be focusing on China.
Yes, that's a paraphrase, but it was a weasel answer to a direct question about what to do regarding Ukraine.
To me, it's a disqualifier. No matter what else the guy says/does, I'm done with him.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 05, 2023 01:18 PM (053ci)
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To me the disqualifier was when DeSantis called Hillary Clinton "my friend, Beautiful Hillary".
No, wait, that was Trump who called Hillary Clinton "my friend, Beautiful Hillary" a couple of weeks ago.
My bad.

Posted by: BeautifulHillaryClinton at August 05, 2023 01:22 PM (MFZ8i)

305 I can dress up, but Ginger can't cook.

Posted by: Mary Ann at August 05, 2023 01:22 PM (NBVIP)

306 It’s the way of aos and I’ve learned to live with it.
Posted by: polynikes at August 05, 2023 01:19 PM (MNhXM)

Hmmm, that means my argument was not clear: in the primary wars, we are no longer treating each other like fellow commenters (often) but rather how people deal/treat with trolls.

And the primary wars are not the only topic.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 05, 2023 01:22 PM (zZu0s)

307 221
Pretty certain the dumbasses don't like getting their heads verbally shoved up their asses so they can see where their ignorant politics comes from.

Posted by: BifBewalski's Phone at August 05, 2023 12:57 PM (Toxwv)
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A wonderfully articulated, grammatically precise and maximally polite way to say "they talk shit".

Posted by: Ciampino - many on the Left are anally retentive at August 05, 2023 01:22 PM (qfLjt)

308 305 I can dress up, but Ginger can't cook.
Posted by: Mary Ann at August 05, 2023 01:22 PM (NBVIP)

She needs to cook?

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 05, 2023 01:22 PM (zZu0s)

309 You look up "white privilege" in the dictionary, and there are photos of Hunter Biden and Gavin Newsom.

Posted by: Only WE Can Silence The Truth! at August 05, 2023 01:22 PM (2tUFv)

310 Trump’s people he sent out to prove his claims of fraud in fact were incompetent shit weasels that never produced anything they promised and made the pursuit of the real cases of fraud that much more difficult.

Posted by: polynikes at August 05, 2023 01:23 PM (MNhXM)

311 My plan for the DOE: All responsibilities are stripped except one: No one in this country graduates high school unless they can pass a civics test in English.

Preferably one with a robust math section.

That is a clumsy way to state: "Asians and Indians Only Need Apply"

Heck, that would disenfranchise over half the indigenous public.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at August 05, 2023 01:23 PM (p8A+W)

312 Newsom isn’t left or right. He is the stereotypical politician because he has no core values. He does and says what he thinks the most people will agree with. Which is why he will flip flop on shit without a second thought. Put him in Wyoming and he’d probably be governor there as well because he’d just say what voters there want to hear. He’s a good actor.

Posted by: Montec at August 05, 2023 01:23 PM (/kWVN)

313 Posted by: Chairborne!

Because it's a take off on the chant at some race car event where people were shouting "Eff Joe Biden" and the media insisteed it was about "Let's go Brandon" and said it was a reference to one of the drivers. So instead of being an incompetent, nasty man who has some sort of cognitive decline, "Dark Brandon" is a large, in control superhero type of guy.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 05, 2023 01:24 PM (Keyt1)

314 Trump’s people he sent out to prove his claims of fraud in fact were incompetent shit weasels that never produced anything they promised and made the pursuit of the real cases of fraud that much more difficult.

This is true. There have been other independent efforts that have done yeoman work in exposing the fraud, but Trump's people really hurt his cause.

Posted by: Archimedes at August 05, 2023 01:24 PM (eOEVl)

315 310 Trump’s people he sent out to prove his claims of fraud in fact were incompetent shit weasels that never produced anything they promised and made the pursuit of the real cases of fraud that much more difficult.
Posted by: polynikes at August 05, 2023 01:23 PM (MNhXM)

They had the feel of grifters. On the other hand... you'd think they would be coming out in force to grift the other way if that was the case. I dunno.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 05, 2023 01:24 PM (zZu0s)

316 But I'm a great American!

Posted by: Shawn Hannity at August 05, 2023 01:25 PM (NBVIP)

317 Now somehow it’s shifted to aos commenters don’t debate with each other even though I said our internal squabbles are different than how we handle Leftist trolls.

It’s the way of aos and I’ve learned to live with it.
Posted by: polynikes at August 05, 2023 01:19 PM (MNhXM)
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We just went back-and-forth over whether it matters if Gavin Newsom is dumb, and how dumb is he!

Posted by: San Franpsycho at August 05, 2023 01:25 PM (RIvkX)

318 Sounds like what Darth Santa was getting at.
Posted by: CppThis at August 05, 2023 01:13 PM (PZvjL)

Again, I must preface this by saying I have no idea what he did or didn't say about election fraud, but will say Mark and Mollie Hemingway wrote a book on the election, claiming there were efforts being formulated to attack the results from that basis, that state governments didn't follow their own laws.

Because it was a sound legal approach.

Then Team Trump came in and made claims that were EASILY defeated in court... not because they were wrong, but because they weren't going to stand up to scrutiny in a courtroom.

So if DeSantis wants to go after Trump from that point of view, it might work in setting him apart from Trump, but if he claims the election was clean, well.....

Posted by: BurtTC at August 05, 2023 01:25 PM (J5uWt)

319 303 Gavin Newsom is an admitted sexual harasser. Just like Willie Brown. Just like Willie Clinton.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at August 05, 2023 01:21 PM (RIvkX)
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And Biden raped Tara Reade and his young daughter.
What's you point?

Posted by: BeautifulHillaryClinton at August 05, 2023 01:25 PM (MFZ8i)

320
Trump’s people he sent out to prove his claims of fraud in fact were incompetent shit weasels that never produced anything they promised and made the pursuit of the real cases of fraud that much more difficult.

Posted by: polynikes at August 05, 2023 01:23 PM

Two words: Rudy Giuliani. Too much hitting the sauce.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at August 05, 2023 01:25 PM (enJYY)

321 Release the Kraken!

Posted by: Sidney Powell at August 05, 2023 01:25 PM (NBVIP)

322 Now somehow it’s shifted to aos commenters don’t debate with each other even though I said our internal squabbles are different than how we handle Leftist trolls.

Come back when we debate Jesus stuff, or "Fair Tax" or do bicyclists get to use public roads?

Posted by: Reuben Hick at August 05, 2023 01:25 PM (p8A+W)

323 316 But I'm a great American!
Posted by: Shawn Hannity at August 05, 2023 01:25 PM (NBVIP)

You needed a speech coach to get rid of that nasal whine about 30 years ago.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 05, 2023 01:26 PM (zZu0s)

324
I simply don't understand the appeal of Newsom to anyone.
Posted by: That Northernlurker

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When he opens his mouth, he gives off utter dweeb vibes. Refers to his wife as The First Partner.

But he photographs well, he performed a bunch of gay marriages as SF mayor the minute it was specifically outlawed in California (thanks to heavy Black turnout but we don't mention that) and he cuts a fine figure.

That said, he doesn't look one bit presidential to me. Just a stick figure of a rich dweeb who'd be a high school teacher or the next middle manager to be laid off from a big tech firm if he hadn't been born rich.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at August 05, 2023 01:26 PM (lCaJd)

325 316 But I'm a great American!
Posted by: Shawn Hannity at August 05, 2023 01:25 PM (NBVIP)

The Reformation/Revolution arguments are always fun.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 05, 2023 01:27 PM (zZu0s)

326 Hmmm, that means my argument was not clear: in the primary wars, we are no longer treating each other like fellow commenters (often) but rather how people deal/treat with trolls.

And the primary wars are not the only topic.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 05, 2023 01:22 PM (zZu0s)

It’s how families argue. And that’s because you can only present your same arguments/facts just so many times with no acknowledgement before it gets personal.

Posted by: polynikes at August 05, 2023 01:27 PM (MNhXM)

327 So if DeSantis wants to go after Trump from that point of view, it might work in setting him apart from Trump, but if he claims the election was clean, well.....

I suspect that's what he was getting at with elliptical language like "unsubstantiated" and "didn't prove to be true". If you mean false, or lies, that's what you say. Still, I imagine he wishes he could take it back.

Posted by: Archimedes at August 05, 2023 01:27 PM (eOEVl)

328 Good for Ron, and, really, good for Gavin. Get out there. Hash it out. Once the rubble is done bouncing, we're still gonna need champions for various causes to get out there and puke their ideas up for the masses to observe. What is really missing from political discourse is the existence of Actual Debate. The fake news cartel has essentially put a kaibosh on anything resembling dissent and disagreement.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 05, 2023 01:27 PM (9UlRk)

329 If we go to the beach in Delaware will I have to shower with Pop-pop, mommy?

Posted by: Navy Joan at August 05, 2023 01:27 PM (NBVIP)

330 To me, it's a disqualifier. No matter what else the guy says/does, I'm done with him.
Posted by: BurtTC at August

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IMO this right here is why the right keeps losing. Ron says one thing yiu don’t like and you’re done with him. The left doesn’t do this. A perfect example is Obama. As much as he is seen as some radical leftists here, for the left he was seen as horribly centrist and even center right. In many parts he is viewed as a Wall St bought and paid for quasi Republican. And yet, they still stuck with him. Because he did give them some crumbs. Because the left understands perfection is the enemy of good. On the right we never learn this lesson.

Posted by: Montec at August 05, 2023 01:28 PM (/kWVN)

331 The Reformation/Revolution arguments are always fun.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 05, 2023 01:27 PM (zZu0s)

Based on track records, Reformations are bloodier than Revolutions.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 05, 2023 01:28 PM (9UlRk)

332 "Trump’s people he sent out to prove his claims of fraud in fact were incompetent shit weasels that never produced anything they promised and made the pursuit of the real cases of fraud that much more difficult."

You go to war with the army you've got.

I don't think anyone was prepared to deal with what happened. It was an ambush. It's not like the GOPe came to the rescuce. They got what they wanted.

Posted by: pawn at August 05, 2023 01:28 PM (wsHtO)

333 Lunden should have Navy shower with a Joetato cutout

break the internets

Posted by: REDACTED at August 05, 2023 01:29 PM (us2H3)

334 314 There have been other independent efforts that have done yeoman work in exposing the fraud, but Trump's people really hurt his cause.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 05, 2023 01:24 PM (eOEVl)

He's consistently been his own worst enemy since 2016, especially on matters of staffing. I'm hardly NT but he's got to do better at convincing me that if re-elected he won't just let a bunch of ass kissers past his guard and ruin everything a second time.

Posted by: CppThis at August 05, 2023 01:29 PM (PZvjL)

335 Newsom's a party boy with a blow habit. He's also a cheetah and cheetah's don't change their spots.

Posted by: SFGoth at August 05, 2023 01:29 PM (KAi1n)

336 Ya stick your left hand in…

Posted by: Hokey Pokey at August 05, 2023 01:29 PM (glGDV)

337 Why should anyone vote for you and if elected where will the move to next?"
Posted by: Picric at August 05, 2023 01:17 PM (13tTk)

Maybe if he's elected President, all the illegals will move back to Mexico?

Posted by: BurtTC at August 05, 2023 01:29 PM (J5uWt)

338 Democrat/ Marxists never change course, Harder enforcement is the usual motto. Gruesome will go for bigger Global Warming Religion universal.

Posted by: Skip at August 05, 2023 01:29 PM (MOY79)

339
Newsom isn’t left or right. He is the stereotypical politician because he has no core values.

Posted by: Montec

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exactly. I struggled for a second to imagine what he'd be doing when I posted #324 because really, if he hadn't been born rich, he'd probably be a Republican. Lord knows he didn't fall for the COVID dogma he was pushing -- cf. his birthday ball at the French Laundry. Without his wealth, he'd be an average joe looking at his taxes and all the regulations that kept him from getting ahead and thinking "I want to stop the people who are doing this to me."

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at August 05, 2023 01:30 PM (lCaJd)

340 Trump’s people he sent out to prove his claims of fraud in fact were incompetent shit weasels that never produced anything they promised and made the pursuit of the real cases of fraud that much more difficult.
Posted by: polynikes at August 05, 2023 01:23 PM (MNhXM)

Fuck off. I’m real damn it.

Posted by: The Kraken at August 05, 2023 01:30 PM (/kWVN)

341 You go to war with the army you've got.

I don't think anyone was prepared to deal with what happened. It was an ambush. It's not like the GOPe came to the rescuce.

The real question is what has the GOPe done to ensure this doesn't happen again. I don't demand that they tell me all their preparations, e.g. lawyers in place DURING THE VOTING, but I fear Ronna McD has focused on her Lulu Lemon drawer instead.

Posted by: Archimedes at August 05, 2023 01:31 PM (eOEVl)

342 not sure why meatball wanted to be gov in a term limited state

he shoulda just stay in the HOR and worked his way up

he coulda been the Kevin McCarthy !!

now he's political road kill with no future

Posted by: REDACTED at August 05, 2023 01:31 PM (us2H3)

343
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Fuck off. I’m real damn it.
Posted by: The Kraken
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Snort.

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at August 05, 2023 01:32 PM (NBVIP)

344 And I believe we deal with trolls initially with a barrage of facts that contradicts everything they say . Most run off. If they do return and continue to ignore the facts , it’s then they get ridiculed.

So yeah, we may have the same MO within the horde debates. One thing that is done though when the horde argue is if any misrepresentation or untrue statement is made, it is pounced on and corrected immediately by someone. That helps sharpen the skills.

Posted by: polynikes at August 05, 2023 01:33 PM (MNhXM)

345 That said, he doesn't look one bit presidential to me. Just a stick figure of a rich dweeb who'd be a high school teacher or the next middle manager to be laid off from a big tech firm if he hadn't been born rich.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at August 05, 2023 01:26 PM (lCaJd)

Put a pics of Newsom and Romney side by side. There's a definite resemblance on how they present themselves. And they both have similar mannerisms. It's uncannny.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at August 05, 2023 01:33 PM (BdMk6)

346 not sure why meatball wanted to be gov in a term limited state

I'm sure you think "meatball" is the height of cleverness, but here's a tip: it's juvenile and stupid.

Posted by: Archimedes at August 05, 2023 01:34 PM (eOEVl)

347
I like the Rudy of old and I'm sure Trump had a good relationship with him spanning decades. But he did Trump no favors in dealing with the election fraud. I read a long article by someone who went into great detail with Rudy with chapter and verse of the fraud. Rudy wanted it condensed. So he condensed it and gave it back to Rudy who didn't seem to be able to comprehend the words on the paper.

Sometimes you gotta pick a different dance partner.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at August 05, 2023 01:34 PM (enJYY)

348
I could hang out here all day, but... nood

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at August 05, 2023 01:34 PM (lCaJd)

349 Skeet Surfin' USA

https://youtu.be/af9N7UhTMA8
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 05, 2023 11:40 AM

An underappreciated song from an underappreciated movie.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 05, 2023 01:34 PM (a3Q+t)

350 Whatever happened to Sidney Powell and "The Kraken"?
Bueller? Bueller? Bueller?

Posted by: BeautifulHillaryClinton at August 05, 2023 01:35 PM (MFZ8i)

351 when the horde argue is if any misrepresentation or untrue statement is made, it is pounced on and corrected immediately by someone.
Posted by: polynikes at August 05, 2023 01:33 PM

Ahem. What am I, chopped liver?

Posted by: Seized at August 05, 2023 01:37 PM (a3Q+t)

352 Since 2016 the GOP has lost 3 elections with Trump the leader of the party. Since 2016 DeSantis has won 2 elections.

That means more to me than some dumb sound bite about Ukraine.

Posted by: Montec at August 05, 2023 01:37 PM (/kWVN)

353 I suspect that's what he was getting at with elliptical language like "unsubstantiated" and "didn't prove to be true". If you mean false, or lies, that's what you say. Still, I imagine he wishes he could take it back.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 05, 2023 01:27 PM (eOEVl)

And I think that's a pattern with him. He wades into topics, and doesn't really have anything strong to say about it. People naturally believe that means he's being disingenuous, when it might merely be that he doesn't know what he's trying to say, and then says it badly.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 05, 2023 01:37 PM (J5uWt)

354 Presidential prospects or no, I'm pretty sure that America would be in the throes of a depression right now if Meat Enthusiast hadn't been there to provide a shining example for all the squishy beta governors to follow during the Covidian Age. And that's not the sort of thing I soon forget.

Posted by: CppThis at August 05, 2023 01:37 PM (PZvjL)

355 "When you were the Mayor of SanFrancisco your term was marked by more people leaving the city than coming in. The same thing has happened as Governor of California. Why should anyone vote for you and if elected where will the move to next?"
Posted by: Picric at August 05, 2023 01:17 PM (13tTk)

Does this mean illegals will move away if Newsome is elected president? Hmmmmmm.

Posted by: Emmie at August 05, 2023 01:39 PM (FZziV)

356 And I think that's a pattern with him. He wades into topics, and doesn't really have anything strong to say about it. People naturally believe that means he's being disingenuous, when it might merely be that he doesn't know what he's trying to say, and then says it badly.

There's a difference between knowing what you want to say, and trying to say it in a way that maximally appeals and minimally offends. For better or worse, Trump lacks that filter.

Posted by: Archimedes at August 05, 2023 01:39 PM (eOEVl)

357 "Sometimes you gotta pick a different dance partner."

Most of the arguments presented here have the benefit of hindsight.

It's not like you were in the thick of it when the "terlits overflowed" signal was sent out.

Posted by: pawn at August 05, 2023 01:39 PM (wsHtO)

358 IMO this right here is why the right keeps losing. Ron says one thing yiu don’t like and you’re done with him.
Posted by: Montec at August 05, 2023 01:28 PM (/kWVN)

No. Again, you miss the point.

This IS a disqualifier. Being wrong about THIS is a disqualifier. It's like those other shitweasels in this race, who argue over whether we should be sending more tanks more quickly, and that's why we should vote for them, and not Biden.

No. We shouldn't be in Ukraine. We shouldn't be itching to go to war with China. Period.

Nothing else is as important as this. If you disagree, fine, but that's my line.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 05, 2023 01:40 PM (J5uWt)

359 >>>DeSantis said elsewhere Friday that the “theories” put out by former President Donald Trump and his associates following the 2020 election were “unsubstantiated” and “did not prove to be true.”

I am not aware of any 'theories' not presumptively based what was self-evident.* Multiple states close, kick observers out, and suddently Biden is ahead when the 'reopen'. That alone ruins transparency in the process (confidence) and should invalidate the precint(s) and / or whole states, whatever, for no-confidence in being a fair election. We need not get to proving fraud as they themselves destroyed confidence.

Want of more details beyond that - videos of papering over of windows, security escorting observers out, video feeding stacks of ballots trough over and over again, suitcases of ballots coming out from under table, other lack of 'chain of cutody', multiple times mail ballots being sent out via mail, mail in ballots indicting outside of envelope who/what party voted, trucks pulling up after counting 'closed' offloading bins full of ballots, undelivered ballots in ditches by the hundreds, ballot drop boxes left uncollected until the elelction was over, voting machines choking..

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at August 05, 2023 01:41 PM (ga8qR)

360 K.T. is nood in da garden.

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at August 05, 2023 01:42 PM (NBVIP)

361 Because it's a take off on the chant at some race car event where people were shouting "Eff Joe Biden" and the media insisteed it was about "Let's go Brandon" and said it was a reference to one of the drivers. So instead of being an incompetent, nasty man who has some sort of cognitive decline, "Dark Brandon" is a large, in control superhero type of guy.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 05, 2023 01:24 PM (Keyt1)

Thanks Fenelon and all you others. I knew about the Brandon Nascar reference, I just missed the 'Dark' part. Thanks again.

Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at August 05, 2023 01:43 PM (CIIt0)

362 The real question is what has the GOPe done to ensure this doesn't happen again. I don't demand that they tell me all their preparations, e.g. lawyers in place DURING THE VOTING, but I fear Ronna McD has focused on her Lulu Lemon drawer instead.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 05, 2023 01:31 PM

Trump lost in 2020...why would we want to adjust a winning formula?

Posted by: GOPe at August 05, 2023 01:44 PM (JCZqz)

363 That baby is a good faller. Very gentle and manageable topplings.

Posted by: Emmie at August 05, 2023 01:44 PM (FZziV)

364 DeSantis: “You don't change the rules in the middle of the game. You don't ballot harvest. You don't do Zuckerbucks, and clearly having the agencies work with Facebook to censor things like Hunter Biden, that's unfair. So it was not an election that was conducted the way I think we want to, but that's different than saying Maduro stole votes or something like that. And I think those theories proved to be unsubstantiated.” Ballot harvesting and Zuckerbucks should be banned. But in the states where that is allowed, @RonDeSantis will use it to our advantage.

"I am not going to fight with one hand tied behind my back."

Posted by: BeautifulHillaryClinton at August 05, 2023 01:48 PM (MFZ8i)

365 There's a rumor that besides booze, there might have been coke... I can see RDS challenging him to an on air collection of samples, including hair, for drug testing. That would be a political breakwater.

Posted by: Augusto Perez at August 05, 2023 01:49 PM (BPYD1)

366
The real question is what has the GOPe done to ensure this doesn't happen again. I don't demand that they tell me all their preparations, e.g. lawyers in place DURING THE VOTING, but I fear Ronna McD has focused on her Lulu Lemon drawer instead.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 05, 2023 01:31 PM

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I think Trump has talked about "the most beautiful ballot-harvesting campaign" ever. No kidding, and I hope he has something in the works. Whatever you think of Jared, Cambridge Analytica 2.0 would be nice.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at August 05, 2023 01:50 PM (lCaJd)

367 Newsom's a party boy with a blow habit. He's also a cheetah and cheetah's don't change their spots.
Posted by: SFGoth at August 05, 2023 01:29 PM (KAi1n)

Kevin Richardson, "the Lion Wisperer," rescued two groups of cheetah cubs, and raised them to be returned to the wild.

When they were younger, the spots were less prominent, they look more like fuzzy cats. As they age, the spots become more stark and sharp.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 05, 2023 01:51 PM (81i8c)

368 One of the books ( of 5) on the 2020 election didn't do Rudy any justice. He according to the book wanted to fight vote fraud the old fashion way thinking it was pure vote stuffing by ballot counters.

Posted by: Skip at August 05, 2023 01:52 PM (MOY79)

369 I am confused by how Trump plans to win in 2024 when he is in federal prison and all the money he is fundraising is going to pay his lawyers?
By the way, must be nice to be Trump's lawyers. $40 million dollars every quarter? Not exactly skimping on the private jets and French caviar for every meal.

Posted by: BeautifulHillaryClinton at August 05, 2023 01:52 PM (MFZ8i)

370
My plan for the DOE: All responsibilities are stripped except one: No one in this country graduates high school unless they can pass a civics test in English.

A test based on the 1619 project

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 05, 2023 01:55 PM (63Dwl)

371 359 I am not aware of any 'theories' not presumptively based what was self-evident.*...We need not get to proving fraud as they themselves destroyed confidence.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at August 05, 2023 01:41 PM (ga8qR)

It must be proved if it is to have legs. Think about it like UFOs. People have seen some hinky stuff and the government has been really circumspect about a lot of things, but nobody's come up with a smoking gun like an actual spaceship or whatever that we can actually see. UFO believers don't care because, as the name implies, they've already made up their mind and no increase or decrease in the body of evidence will sway them. But most everyone else is like, maybe, but seriously guys (Citation Needed).

Posted by: CppThis at August 05, 2023 01:55 PM (PZvjL)

372 Having a dept of education at all is a mistake. The schools should be held to account by the parents of the children attending, that's the parent's job- not the state's.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 05, 2023 01:56 PM (zZu0s)

373 I think Trump has talked about "the most beautiful ballot-harvesting campaign" ever. No kidding, and I hope he has something in the works. Whatever you think of Jared, Cambridge Analytica 2.0 would be nice.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at August 05, 2023 01:50 PM (lCaJd)
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Sorry, he was talking about me "my friend, Beautiful Hillary" because I am so beautiful.
Beautiful, so beautiful, I am! I wonder if he will give me cunnilingus like he did to Diane Feinstein on live nationwide television in March of 2018? She had such a wonderful orgasm! I watch this video every day https://tinyurl.com/3z8ttztj So yummy!
Oh, no, I think I am cumming! Ohhhhh....Trump baby!

Posted by: BeautifulHillaryClinton at August 05, 2023 01:59 PM (MFZ8i)

374 367 Newsom's a party boy with a blow habit. He's also a cheetah and cheetah's don't change their spots.
Posted by: SFGoth at August 05, 2023 01:29 PM (KAi1n)

Keith Richards' blow habit > Gavin Newsom's

Kevin Richardson, "the Lion Wisperer," rescued two groups of cheetah cubs, and raised them to be returned to the wild.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 05, 2023 01:51 PM (81i8c)

Keith Richards > Kevin Richardson

Posted by: That Guy at August 05, 2023 02:00 PM (JCZqz)

375 Damn.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 05, 2023 02:00 PM (zZu0s)

376 Posted by: BeautifulHillaryClinton at August 05, 2023 01:59 PM

I suppose it's a good think that this thread is pretty much done. IMO, your comments and your stupid nic have become tedious.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at August 05, 2023 02:05 PM (Xrfse)

377 376 Posted by: BeautifulHillaryClinton at August 05, 2023 01:59 PM

I suppose it's a good think that this thread is pretty much done. IMO, your comments and your stupid nic have become tedious.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at August 05, 2023 02:05 PM (Xrfse)
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The truth about Trump hurts, doesn't it? Too bad, I am not part of the Trump cult who sends him money so he doesn't have to pay his lawyers & never questions his lies.

Posted by: BeautifulHillaryClinton at August 05, 2023 02:14 PM (MFZ8i)

378 The truth about Trump hurts, doesn't it? Too bad, I am not part of the Trump cult who sends him money so he doesn't have to pay his lawyers & never questions his lies.
Posted by: BeautifulHillaryClinton at August 05, 2023 02:14 PM

Shit, DU and Lefty MSM keep telling me Trump is bilking his supporters by using campaign funds to pay his attorneys for his legal defense. You Lefties need to better coordinate your bullshit lies.

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at August 05, 2023 02:17 PM (JCZqz)

379 Posted by: BeautifulHillaryClinton at August 05, 2023 02:14 PM (MFZ8i)

Yawn. Nobody's is in the mood for this now.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 05, 2023 02:18 PM (Keyt1)

380 Hah! Flash Cadillac performed Surfin' USA last night, with dancing 'ettes in attendance.

Posted by: Emmie at August 05, 2023 02:18 PM (FZziV)

381 377 376 Posted by: BeautifulHillaryClinton at August 05, 2023 01:59 PM

I suppose it's a good think that this thread is pretty much done. IMO, your comments and your stupid nic have become tedious.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at August 05, 2023 02:05 PM (Xrfse)
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Wait! My nickname is stupid?! How can that be?!!! My darling Trump gave it to me!
So, so beautiful I am! Beautiful, beautiful Hillary! Ohhhh...

Posted by: BeautifulHillaryClinton at August 05, 2023 02:19 PM (MFZ8i)

382 >>>Keep an eye on California (even though there's a lot going on in D.C.)

>I'm thinking that both of these things are a distraction so the masses of angered morons won't be focused on ace and Lizzo desperately trying to salvage a reputation between deliveries from the bakery.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at August 05, 2023 02:19 PM (KVGVf)

383 However, he added, "You just don't look presidential when you go up against people who aren't running for president."

It's a good thing Bonjean is here to tell us that this doesn't look presidential because otherwise we wouldn't know to think poorly of DeS for debating.

Posted by: Emmie at August 05, 2023 02:23 PM (FZziV)

384 383 However, he added, "You just don't look presidential when you go up against people who aren't running for president."

It's a good thing Bonjean is here to tell us that this doesn't look presidential because otherwise we wouldn't know to think poorly of DeS for debating.
Posted by: Emmie at August 05, 2023 02:23 PM

Although we all know Newsome IS running for President...either as an unofficial alternate in case Biden dies before the election, or in 2028.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at August 05, 2023 02:27 PM (JCZqz)

385 No more tiresome than all the Meatball comments. I declare it a tie.

Posted by: polynikes at August 05, 2023 02:30 PM (MNhXM)

386 Any outrageous claims about him I automatically assume are false until proof is presented.
Posted by: Moron Analyst at August 05, 2023 01:08 PM (QG++7)

This is the way it should always be with everything.
Like making 99.99 from hour per beezer.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at August 05, 2023 03:30 PM (ga8qR)

387 258
ILLEGAL CHINESE BIOLAB.

How is this not an act of war?
Posted by: Smallish Bees

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It was funded by Newsom, that's how. So it was a shining example of international scientific cooperation between two friendly nations... sorry, gonna have to go to DU's Intercepts for this one!
Posted by: Blonde Morticia

We had a biolab in their country too... But they knew about it, too..
It did leak though.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at August 05, 2023 03:38 PM (ga8qR)

388 I'm just throwing it out there... i kinda like Meatball.

I like the dude, and i like the nickname.

I also like meatballs.

So.... yeah.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 05, 2023 04:36 PM (9UlRk)

389 Well, well, well. It seems Ron Desantis took the bait from the Establishment crooners at RedState.com and the big donor bloc of the Republican Party - the latter being the ONLY voters Republican candidates typically care about - and stated he doesn't believe that the 2020 U.S. Presidential Election was rigged, that it was fair.
It's a really stupid tack to take and it's not going to get him any votes from MAGA, despite making the donors happy. I believe he's taking this position only because his large financial donors have been holding back much needed campaign cash. I'm guessing he's trying to amass a big war chest to do a media blitz in early primary states, in hopes to dent President Trump's leads. My guess only.
Whatever his reasoning for the 2020 statements, he's going the way of Mike Pence. I believe the old saying "if your enemy is doing something stupid, get out of his way," applies fittingly.

2020: NEVER FORGET, NEVER FORGIVE!

Posted by: Tracy at August 05, 2023 07:36 PM (QYbvE)

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