Thinking Like a Liberal Supreme Court Justice

Thinking Like a Liberal Supreme Court Justice - Or Not

Soon after the Fourth of July, Francis Menton posted How To Think Like A Liberal Supreme Court Justice -- Part II at Manhattan Contrarian:

Just over a year ago, on July 5, 2022, I had a post titled “How To Think Like A Liberal Supreme Court Justice.” The post was occasioned by the then-brand-new issuance (June 30, 2022) of the biggest decision of the Court’s last term, West Virginia v. EPA. Justice Kagan had authored a dissent on behalf of herself and the other two liberal justices (Breyer and Sotomayor). My post also discussed two other significant decisions of the 2021-22 term where the three liberals had again dissented as a bloc: Alabama Association of Realtors v. HHS and NFIB v. Department of Labor.
And now we have several more big decisions just issued with the same 6-3 voting split (Justice Jackson having replaced Breyer). The most significant is SFFA v. Harvard.
So suppose you want to learn how to think like a liberal Supreme Court justice. If so, I submit that there is no better place to look than the dissents in cases where the three liberal justices dissent as a bloc.

. . you would be justified in coming to these dissents expecting to find brilliant insights into our legal system and constitutional order. If so, you will be greatly disappointed. There is nothing complicated about the thinking of a liberal Supreme Court justice. Each of these dissents follows the same rote formula: the heart of the opinion is an appeal to fear and/or guilt, completely divorced from anything about the law. The basic argument is that because of either some looming menace, or your sins, or both, you must cede infinite power to your betters to run things outside the constitutional order. The law? Somewhere in the thousands of statutes and precedents out there, or maybe just from our superior moral compass, we can find something to serve as a pretext to support our desired result. The desired result is always more power to the bureaucrats and/or liberal elites. QED.

SO SIMPLE. Especially considering how long some of those dissents are. But it seems about right to me. Do you agree?

Examples are given. There are some nice notes in the comment about people thinking like the justices, as well. Particularly in academia.

We are in trouble. God Bless America.

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Rich Lowry:

Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson's dissent in the Supreme Court's affirmative action case achieved instant legendary status in certain quarters.
Vice President Kamala Harris called it "probably one of the most brilliant dissents that any justice of the United States Supreme Court has ever written."

Takes a brilliant mind to recognize a brilliant mind.

This is incredible. Might be Kamala Harris' best yet. pic.twitter.com/3j5PJWSlui
— Nick Gillespie (@nickgillespie) July 7, 2023

Babylon Bee:

Elizabeth Warren Says Without Affirmative Action, A Native American Girl Like Herself Would Never Have Been Accepted To Rutgers

David Strom:

NPR: Whites fooled Asians into believing affirmative action hurt them

Jonathan Turley:

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez bizarrely condemned the Supreme Court for usurping congressional authority by supporting congressional authority in the student loan case.

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How NOT to think like a liberal Supreme Court justice

Just be Thomas Sowell:

From Thomas Sowell’s memoir. More evidence that standardized tests should be free and compulsory to identify gifted youngsters from poor and marginalized backgrounds. And that relying on the subjective opinions of teachers is a major blunder. pic.twitter.com/37HnD7u53u
— Rob Henderson (@robkhenderson) July 7, 2023

THE QUEST FOR COSMIC JUSTICE by Thomas Sowell:

In a sense, proponents of "social justice" are unduly modest. What they are seeking to correct are not merely the deficiencies of society, but of the cosmos. What they call social justice encompasses far more than any given society is causally responsible for. Crusaders for social justice seek to correct not merely the sins of man but the oversights of God or the accidents of history. What they are really seeking is a universe tailor-made to their vision of equality. They are seeking cosmic justice.
Ironically, the quest for greater economic and social equality is promoted through a far greater inequality of political power. If rules cannot produce cosmic justice, only raw power is left as the way to produce the kinds of results being sought. In a democracy, where power must gain public acquiescence, not only must the rule of law be violated or circumvented, so must the rule of truth. However noble the vision of cosmic justice, arbitrary power and shameless lies are the only paths that even seem to lead in its direction. As noted at the outset, the devastating costs and social dangers which go with these attempts to achieve the impossible should be taken into account.

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Weekend Musing

How is this woman different from a liberal Supreme Court justice?

The brave woman who jumped from one plane to another in the air to changed the landing gear of the plane, 1926.pic.twitter.com/nqVJtM1EJq
— World Of History (@UmarBzv) July 7, 2023

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Book Thread Prep

Book review by Wilfred M. McClay
July 3, 2019

Proclaim Liberty Throughout the Land: The Hebrew Bible in the United States, A Sourcebook

It is hard to imagine what the United States might have looked like without the influence of the Hebrew Bible, but there is little point in trying to envision such an extreme counterfactual. Beginning in the 17th century with the migration of English Puritans to New England, biblical narratives and imagery have played a surprisingly large, even outsized, role in the formation of the American national consciousness and institutions. The Hebrew Bible’s unique cosmology, its moral teachings, and its prophetic admonitions were brilliant threads woven into the rich sermons and intense devotional texts produced by these zealous Christian settlers. Its account of the covenant as the ultimate form of binding community in ancient Israel—the community of God and man, as well as that of man and man—would serve as a blueprint for the theological and political structures the New England settlers would go on to create.
But as this valuable new anthology of American political, legal, and ecclesiastical texts from the first half of American history shows vividly, the influence went even deeper than that. As scholars have long understood, but many Americans have forgotten, Puritans identified themselves with ancient Israel. . .

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Music and Dance

The crowd was a little ummmm. . . disorganized at the beginning of this video.

Tuba Skinny and NOLA Jitterbuggs

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Hope you have something nice planned for this weekend.

This is the Thread before the Gardening Thread.

Serving your mid-day open thread needs

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Last week's thread, Happy Independence Day Weekend

Interesting comments on feudalism, standing armies and quartering armies in Europe late in the comment thread.

Some things I didn't know:

249 A music theory prof told me a few decades ago that Sousa's time was the last period when the language spoken by the best popular composers was the same as that of the cutting edge 'major' composers.
Sousa was a pretty remarkable fellow. Not only was he the March King, but he also wrote operettas and novels. He was also among the greatest trapshooters of his day. Of the sport, he said, "Let me say that just about the sweetest music to me is when I call, 'pull,' the old gun barks, and the referee in perfect key announces, 'dead'."

Hadrian the Seventh

Pertinent to this week's topic:

179 So what is the equivalent of "mansplaining," which Justice Brown is engaging?

Lizzy

Comments are closed on last week's thread so you won't ban yourself by trying to comment on a week-old thread. But don't try it anyway.

A thought from Dr_No:

Posted by: K.T. at 11:09 AM

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1 Good morning KT

Posted by: Skip at July 08, 2023 11:09 AM (xhxe8)

2 Yo

Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 08, 2023 11:14 AM (Q4IgG)

3 Hi, Skip!

Posted by: KT at July 08, 2023 11:14 AM (rrtZS)

4 It comes in the morning.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 08, 2023 11:14 AM (63Dwl)

5 I have GOT to stop clicking on Kamala Harris videos. I lose twenty brain cells every time.

Posted by: creeper at July 08, 2023 11:15 AM (cTCuP)

6 That airplane lady had balls.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at July 08, 2023 11:16 AM (ncXxy)

7 > Beginning in the 17th century with the migration of English Puritans to New England

While the Puritans/Pilgrims get a disproportionate share of the credit, they were far from the only, or even the first, group of colonizers. Church of England in Virginia (well before the Puritans), Catholics in Maryland, etc.

Remember, when the Pilgrims landed, they were greeted by Squanto, an Indian who spoke English and had spent much time in Europe.

Posted by: Barry Manilow at July 08, 2023 11:17 AM (Y6AXb)

8 Tha t wheel change while amazing as it's real had to be a set up.

Posted by: Skip at July 08, 2023 11:17 AM (xhxe8)

9 cuz every biplane that loses a wheel also has a camera onboard

Posted by: REDACTED at July 08, 2023 11:17 AM (us2H3)

10 Does Kamala have a writing staff or is this stuff "off the cuff"?

Posted by: BignJames at July 08, 2023 11:18 AM (AwYPR)

11 I know I have comments about KBJ that every ruling from her will show her Cultural Marxist views

Posted by: Skip at July 08, 2023 11:18 AM (xhxe8)

12 Hiya KT !

Posted by: JT at July 08, 2023 11:19 AM (T4tVD)

13 Liberal is a misnomer.
Autocratic is what they are.

Posted by: Itimerant Alley Butcher at July 08, 2023 11:20 AM (ga8qR)

14 > 5 I have GOT to stop clicking on Kamala Harris videos. I lose twenty brain cells every time.
Posted by: creeper at July 08, 2023 11:15 AM (cTCuP)

Rare video from inside OCrazyHo-Tittycaca's head:

https://is.gd/uSmiDL

Posted by: Barry Manilow at July 08, 2023 11:20 AM (Y6AXb)

15 The biplane film is insane.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 08, 2023 11:20 AM (PY/t0)

16 I have GOT to stop clicking on Kamala Harris videos. I lose twenty brain cells every time.

Posted by: creeper at July 08, 2023 11:15 AM (cTCuP)

Only 20? What's your secret?

Posted by: BignJames at July 08, 2023 11:20 AM (AwYPR)

17 I just finished another Morse code class with the Long Island CW Club. Now it's time to jump on the motorcycle and ride up towards Crater Lake. Have a great weekend!

Posted by: PabloD at July 08, 2023 11:20 AM (XDozA)

18 Sock off, dammit.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at July 08, 2023 11:21 AM (Y6AXb)

19
"...an appeal to fear and/or guilt, completely divorced from anything about the law. The basic argument is that because of either some looming menace, or your sins, or both, you must cede infinite power to your betters to run things outside the constitutional order."

Sounds a lot like COVID.

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at July 08, 2023 11:22 AM (DhOHl)

20 Nowadays a biplane also identifies as a submersible.

Posted by: JT at July 08, 2023 11:22 AM (T4tVD)

21 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at July 08, 2023 11:23 AM (Zz0t1)

22 You want to think like a leftist justice? Read The Constitution. Do the opposite of what it says in all of your rulings.

DONE!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at July 08, 2023 11:23 AM (Zz0t1)

23 The cuntefaction of America proceeds apace.

Posted by: go get your fuckin shine box at July 08, 2023 11:23 AM (2wS81)

24
Kagan departs; Harris joins would result in three certified dolts on the SOTUS bench.

Imagine the untrammeled brilliance to which we'd be subjected.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at July 08, 2023 11:23 AM (5pZqO)

25 What is worse:

What Kumswala Harris said or the fact there are people glomming on to ever word, nodding their heads in approval......

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at July 08, 2023 11:24 AM (Zz0t1)

26 yet, a year from now, Kameltoe will be President

Madam President for the rest of her life and becoming very rich

not a bad trade off for pardoning the Bidens and destroying her political future

C'est la vie

Posted by: REDACTED at July 08, 2023 11:24 AM (us2H3)

27 So, has twatter's ban on viewing twatter been lifted? I can go to the links and see the twats on the twatter page instead of having to see it embedded as it was earlier this week.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at July 08, 2023 11:26 AM (Zz0t1)

28 6 That airplane lady had balls.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at July 08, 2023 11:16 AM (ncXxy

And no parachute.

Posted by: Fox 2! at July 08, 2023 11:27 AM (4GxJn)

29 Do my eyes deceive me or has jitterbug gone woke?

Physical contact is practically verboten between the ~~sexes~~ genders in these days of the drag menstrel show.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at July 08, 2023 11:27 AM (KVGVf)

30 And the wing walker gets home and screams for her husband to come and kill a spider.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at July 08, 2023 11:27 AM (rLD7a)

31 Have read the Ho has writers for her word salad speeches
And she isn't the only one who uses that word use constantly tempo

Posted by: Skip at July 08, 2023 11:27 AM (xhxe8)

32
So what is the equivalent of "mansplaining," which Justice Brown is engaging?

Dopespeak

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at July 08, 2023 11:28 AM (5pZqO)

33 All Leftists care about is political power.

They support free speech when it enables them to gain political power, and suppress free speech once they gain political power.

Left-wing justices determine the desired outcome of a case, and then reason backwards from there.

It was striking in the affirmative action decision how little attention that the liberal justices paid to the law - their dissents focused solely on the results that were achieved by racially discriminatory admissions policies. Since they considered those results to be Good, they could care less what the law said.

Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at July 08, 2023 11:30 AM (2tUFv)

34 Only known visual evidence of a woman changing a tire.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 08, 2023 11:31 AM (Q4IgG)

35 I keep saying it's sooner or later the The Ho will move into the Oval Office, every day more of the Biden Crime Family cappers gets out and it's outstanding he has gotten away with it. Only from a complete takeover has ghat happened.

Posted by: Skip at July 08, 2023 11:31 AM (xhxe8)

36 Made it 42 seconds into the biplane video before latent acrophobia set in. I assume she made the jump with the wheel strapped on her back and installed it on the crippled plane.

Nice to have the video, though. That motherfucker WAS real.

Posted by: creeper at July 08, 2023 11:32 AM (cTCuP)

37
Only known visual evidence of a woman changing a tire.
Posted by: Martini Farmer

Strictly speaking, she did not change a tire, she replaced a missing one.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at July 08, 2023 11:32 AM (5pZqO)

38 So what is the equivalent of "mansplaining," which Justice Brown is engaging?

aping ??

Posted by: REDACTED at July 08, 2023 11:33 AM (us2H3)

39 "Thinking like a liberal Supreme Court Justice"...
Objection; Assumes facts not in evidence. Ie, "thinking".

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 08, 2023 11:33 AM (FI4xi)

40 Just when you think the left can't possibly sink any lower they decide to run a coordinated attack on a movie exposing child sex trafficking.

All they had to do was say nothing but that was a bridge too far.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 08, 2023 11:34 AM (ZLI7S)

41 Only known visual evidence of a woman changing a tire.
Posted by: Martini Farmer

Strictly speaking, she did not change a tire, she replaced a missing one.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at July 08, 2023 11:32 AM

It appears that the person who installed the missing wheel forgot to use a cotter pin on it. From that video the entire wheel was gone.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at July 08, 2023 11:35 AM (ncXxy)

42 More a First World Problem thread but our clothes dryer gave up and only a few years, 3 or 4 I think, old. Easy enough because it seems to me the dial for yhe timer is shot.

Posted by: Skip at July 08, 2023 11:35 AM (xhxe8)

43 Morning again, y'all. Just got to the lake in time for the thundershowers. Yay me.

Posted by: olddog in mo at July 08, 2023 11:35 AM (6jiLN)

44 biplane vid brought to you by the rich guy who can afford to have a $200K excavator sitting next to an aqueduct so he can save a $1K cow

Posted by: REDACTED at July 08, 2023 11:36 AM (us2H3)

45 I have always said liberal judges always work backwards. They have a position /decision of life based on their liberalism /Leftism and they will work backwards to come to that decision when a case is presented to them . That’s why they are a mess and are filled with emotion instead of the law and illogical interpretations when they do mention the law.

Posted by: polynikes at July 08, 2023 11:36 AM (MNhXM)

46 Justice Affirmative Action Jackson included a ridiculously wrong claim about black infant mortality in her opinion. Just pure made up shit from DU talking points.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 08, 2023 11:36 AM (FI4xi)

47 So what is the equivalent of "mansplaining," which Justice Brown is engaging?

aping ??
Posted by: REDACTED at July 08, 2023 11:33 AM (us2H3)

She's doing what women do best: She's bitching.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at July 08, 2023 11:37 AM (BdMk6)

48 36 Acrophobia, real stuff. Had a guy in our shop in Erie, a member of one of the NW NY tribes with lots of iron workers. Grandpa was an iron worker, his Dad an iron worker, and a couple brothers and cousins. He would have to get his wife or kid to change an overhead lightbulb.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at July 08, 2023 11:37 AM (rLD7a)

49 Vice President Kamala Harris called it "probably one of the most brilliant dissents that any justice of the United States Supreme Court has ever written."

This is the rule with diversity hires - once you hire them, you are required to state that they were absolutely the best possible candidate for the job (even if you excluded 98% of the possible job candidates, as in Justice Jackson's case).

You are also required to praise everything that the diversity hire does to the skies, no matter how idiotic the diversity hire's claims (such as Justice Jackson's claim that underweight black babies are twice as likely to survive if they are treated by black doctors instead of white doctors, which is obviously farcical).

Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at July 08, 2023 11:37 AM (2tUFv)

50 That airplane lady had balls.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS)

Used to.
First post-op A&P Mechanic and Wingwalker.
/LGBTQAFSSG Historians

Posted by: Itimerant Alley Butcher at July 08, 2023 11:37 AM (ga8qR)

51 Here is some excellent news. The Dutch government has fallen. The Globalists lost and the coalition representing the farmers looks to become in charge. I guess threatening to eliminate one of Europe's main supplier of food and stealing the livlihood of families that had been farming the land for generations was finally going to far. Not only was the government going to shut down I think the mumber was 3000 farms but also prohibit them from farming anywhere else in the EU.
Next goal: Convince the Irish they are crazy to kill cattle int he name of imaginary global warming.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at July 08, 2023 11:37 AM (t/2Uw)

52 In a sense, proponents of "social justice" are unduly modest. What they are seeking to correct are not merely the deficiencies of society, but of the cosmos. What they call social justice encompasses far more than any given society is causally responsible for. Crusaders for social justice seek to correct not merely the sins of man but the oversights of God or the accidents of history. What they are really seeking is a universe tailor-made to their vision of equality. They are seeking cosmic justice.

***

Brilliantly put.
It's a religion

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at July 08, 2023 11:38 AM (vHIgi)

53 Kamala's speech captures that moment when you wake up and that itch is there to alert you to use the restroom before you have an accident.

You can scratch and roll over but it's not a snooze button and Kamala will have her way.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at July 08, 2023 11:39 AM (KVGVf)

54 Vice President Kamala Harris called it "probably one of the most brilliant dissents that any justice of the United States Supreme Court has ever written."

I may have to add another mental illness trait to the list of ten that are common in all Leftists. I’m going to call it the Emperor’s New Clothes mental illness.

Posted by: polynikes at July 08, 2023 11:40 AM (MNhXM)

55 Just when you think the left can't possibly sink any lower they decide to run a coordinated attack on a movie exposing child sex trafficking.

All they had to do was say nothing but that was a bridge too far.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 08, 2023 11:34 AM (ZLI7S)

The pedo intent has always been baked into the leftist culture. Same for libertarians.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at July 08, 2023 11:42 AM (BdMk6)

56 Justice Jackson's claim that underweight black babies are twice as likely to survive if they are treated by black doctors instead of white doctors

If this goes on, we will have two separate health systems - one where only black doctors treat black patients, and where only white and Asian doctors treat white and Asian patients.

Oh - and the black doctors will be held to significantly lower standards than the white and Asian doctors.

Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at July 08, 2023 11:43 AM (2tUFv)

57 The cross-atlantic coordinated attack on Cavaziel's movie was really obvious, wasn't it? But I believe the kinds of people who still read the Guardian and the WaPo would ever dare to watch a movie like that, so they're just printing bilge to please their masters. Just like always.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 08, 2023 11:44 AM (FI4xi)

58
Yeah, fine. She replaced a missing wheel.

Still not "changed a tire".

Dead horse status: still dead

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at July 08, 2023 11:44 AM (5pZqO)

59 cuz every biplane that loses a wheel also has a camera onboard
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There were an awful lot of camera angles at work there for the 1920s with no cameras visible in the other planes when they were in shot.

Posted by: Methos at July 08, 2023 11:44 AM (kOpft)

60 They are seeking cosmic justice.

***

Brilliantly put.
It's a religion
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In which every member considers themself above all things called "God".

Posted by: Methos at July 08, 2023 11:45 AM (kOpft)

61 Liberal is a misnomer.
Autocratic is what they are.
Posted by: Itimerant Alley Butcher at July 08, 2023 11:20 AM (ga8qR)

I hate that people keep using that word. It obscures the truth. It's no less a lie than when an abusive spouse gets done beating the shit out of the other, says "It's for your own good."

Stop letting them get away with this. These people are not liberals.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 08, 2023 11:45 AM (XYJz/)

62 If the left ever gets the chance to pack the court, imagine the cavalcade of cretins they will install. No JD required. Not even a notary license. Just social values. Associate Justice Any Member of the Squad. Associate Justice Guam is Tipping over Hank. Associate Justice the late, great George Floyd (clerks write the shit anyway).

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at July 08, 2023 11:45 AM (rLD7a)

63
Oh - and the black doctors will be held to significantly lower standards than the white and Asian doctors.
Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts!

And then what, we compare the sizes of the piles of dead babies?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at July 08, 2023 11:46 AM (5pZqO)

64 >>>cuz every biplane that loses a wheel also has a camera onboard
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There were an awful lot of camera angles at work there for the 1920s with no cameras visible in the other planes when they were in shot.

Posted by: Methos

>Weren't GoPros the size of a Studebaker back in those days?

Posted by: Dr. Bone at July 08, 2023 11:46 AM (KVGVf)

65 Sowell’s The Quest for Cosmic Justice is a summary of the Left’s most dangerous mental illness trait.

The Ends Justify the Means.

Posted by: polynikes at July 08, 2023 11:46 AM (MNhXM)

66 Next goal: Convince the Irish they are crazy to kill cattle int he name of imaginary global warming.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at July 08, 2023 11:37 AM (t/2Uw)

There's no saving the Irish.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at July 08, 2023 11:46 AM (BdMk6)

67 And then what, we compare the sizes of the piles of dead babies?
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at July 08, 2023 11:46 AM (5pZqO)

Obviously, Racism.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 08, 2023 11:46 AM (PY/t0)

68 Justice Affirmative Action Jackson included a ridiculously wrong claim about black infant mortality in her opinion. Just pure made up shit from DU talking points.

But she was morally right, which is what counts!

-- Lefties Everywhere

Posted by: Oddbob at July 08, 2023 11:47 AM (nfrXX)

69 The cross-atlantic coordinated attack on Cavaziel's movie was really obvious, wasn't it? But I believe the kinds of people who still read the Guardian and the WaPo would ever dare to watch a movie like that, so they're just printing bilge to please their masters. Just like always.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 08, 2023 11:44 AM (FI4xi)

I haven't watched the movie, and probably won't, but you have to wonder why people would be so angry about a film that exposes the international slave trade of children.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 08, 2023 11:47 AM (XYJz/)

70 Commies are always “working toward the fuhrer”.

They do not need orders as they instinctively are supposed to do what the party demands.

They are all Roland Freislers at the end of the day.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 08, 2023 11:47 AM (R/m4+)

71 Thomas Sowell is a national treasure. His explanation as to why social justice makes no sense is brilliant. I wish the man would’ve received broader attention during his life and career. I doubt 10% of the population at large have even heard of him

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at July 08, 2023 11:48 AM (M23Y7)

72 why people would be so angry about a film that exposes the international slave trade of children.

Because open borders enables that international slave trade.

Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at July 08, 2023 11:50 AM (2tUFv)

73 As scholars have long understood, but many Americans have forgotten, Puritans identified themselves with ancient Israel. . .

***

The Lost Tribes of Israel were integrated into the gentiles.
With the coming of Christ, gentiles were called to be part of God's chosen people, called to the New Covenant.
These converts therefore reconstitute the Lost Tribes. Kind of like adoption, or naturalization.

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at July 08, 2023 11:51 AM (vHIgi)

74 There's no saving the Irish.
Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at July 08, 2023 11:46 AM (BdMk6)

There never was. I believe Pollock jokes were invented by the Irish. They're true stories, just changing the protagonist to hide the pain.

How many Irishmen does it take to change a lightbulb?
Sadly, the little drunk fellas keep turning those ladders.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 08, 2023 11:51 AM (XYJz/)

75 That airplane lady had balls.

*********

The Cockpit - a limerick

The daring young stuntwoman Jane
In that video must be insane
In men's overalls
She sure had some balls
And that's why it's called a bi-plane!

Posted by: Muldoon at July 08, 2023 11:51 AM (kXYt5)

76 World Of History
@UmarBzv
The brave woman who jumped from one plane to another in the air to changed the landing gear of the plane, 1926.

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Hey! Let's not be gender assuming!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at July 08, 2023 11:51 AM (FVME7)

77 > There were an awful lot of camera angles at work there for the 1920s with no cameras visible in the other planes when they were in shot.
Posted by: Methos at July 08, 2023 11:44 AM (kOpft)

I agree it wasn't a real incident per se.

However, I also believe that the stunt was real, and that the woman actually did go from plane to plane. That's not something that could have been easily faked at that time.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at July 08, 2023 11:51 AM (Y6AXb)

78 Not only was the government going to shut down I think the mumber was 3000 farms but also prohibit them from farming anywhere else in the EU.
Next goal: Convince the Irish they are crazy to kill cattle int he name of imaginary global warming.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice)

And prohibit their descendents from farming too?
A new caste system would really put an end to that global climate change.

Posted by: Itimerant Alley Butcher at July 08, 2023 11:52 AM (ga8qR)

79 Hopefully part is the issue, sure seems to be and is on its way .

Posted by: Skip at July 08, 2023 11:52 AM (xhxe8)

80 That was a nice twist on wing walking stunts. Pretend it’s being done as a life saving action.

To me It’s goes from being brave to ‘ wypipo be crazy’ Still whether it is a stunt or not , that woman could have become the greatest trannie ever because she already had a huge set of balls.

Posted by: polynikes at July 08, 2023 11:52 AM (MNhXM)

81 Because open borders enables that international slave trade.
Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at July 08, 2023 11:50 AM (2tUFv)

That would be cart leading the horse reasoning.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 08, 2023 11:52 AM (XYJz/)

82 Puritans are not to be confused with the Pruritans, who got an itching to go to America around the same time.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at July 08, 2023 11:52 AM (Y6AXb)

83 There's no saving the Irish.

Another country where the Catholic Church has collapsed, as it did in Quebec sixty years ago.

Not that there aren't downsides to Catholicism, but what replaces Catholicism is far worse.

Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at July 08, 2023 11:52 AM (2tUFv)

84 The left's attack on traditional legal norms began in earnest in the early 1900's and was propelled in many cases by those wanting a more European outlook on legality.

Positivism is one such theory. That is, if the source of the law is legitimate, then the law is legitimate. Thus, a Supreme Court justice, by virtue of their position can 'make' law regardless of precedent, words in a statute or Constitution, etc. Ditto for legislatures and the president.

Another closely related idea is materialism which stresses what can be seen, what can be experienced. The notion that there are natural rights that cannot be abridged by government came more or less from Catholicism in the medieval period. Materialists argue that since concepts of rights come from humans not a creator or state of nature, these rights are not immutable and can be stretched or shrank as needed by a particular society and its rulers.

Posted by: whig at July 08, 2023 11:53 AM (V8NhF)

85 I like the bad math from Jackson 25, and believe stunningly stupid like this should be in every one of her dissents.

She's such a lightweight she floats on air.

Posted by: Mr Gaga at July 08, 2023 11:53 AM (emrql)

86 "...hey were greeted by Squanto, a Catholic Indian who spoke English and had spent much time in Europe."

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at July 08, 2023 11:53 AM (jgJfd)

87 "The Dutch government has fallen."

Indeed, very good news.

I hope the Dutch remember these madmen and women and keep them far away from political power in the future. Sad reality is that they will scatter and regroup having learned nothing.

Posted by: pawn at July 08, 2023 11:54 AM (wsHtO)

88 People are always gonna have a religion.

Usually what replaces traditional religion is Marxism, and that never ends well.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at July 08, 2023 11:54 AM (Y6AXb)

89 In actual fact, the study which Affirmative Action Jackson said "proved' that black babies do better with black caretakers, reported that black babies with black doctors had a 99.6% survival rate, while those with white doctors had a 99.56% survival rate. That was her "proof".

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 08, 2023 11:54 AM (FI4xi)

90 >>Because open borders enables that international slave trade.

The left enables the International slave trade.

It got a bit of coverage initially but then was quickly covered up but one of the results of killing Gaddafi and turning Libya into a completely lawless shit hole was the opening of a very public international slave trading market.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 08, 2023 11:55 AM (ZLI7S)

91 Thomas Sowell is a national treasure. His explanation as to why social justice makes no sense is brilliant. I wish the man would’ve received broader attention during his life and career. I doubt 10% of the population at large have even heard of him
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at July 08, 2023 11:48 AM (M23Y7)

That's not accidental. The corporate media has a vested interest in not allowing people to step off the reservation. It's particularly insidious, the black media types, writers, teevee personalities, they can call someone like him an "Uncle Tom," while at the same time getting their daily chores, their talking points dictated to them by their white female masters.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 08, 2023 11:56 AM (XYJz/)

92 Spain and the UK are both protesting Dopey Joe's decision to send cluster munitions to Ukraine.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at July 08, 2023 11:57 AM (Y6AXb)

93 "The Dutch government has fallen."

And like the English government, it is nominally a "conservative" government.

"We're European conservatives, of course, but you have to be realistic."

Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at July 08, 2023 11:57 AM (2tUFv)

94 But with bad luck and a few more picks by a installed President and the touchy feely Cultural Marxism will be the law of the land

Posted by: Skip at July 08, 2023 11:57 AM (xhxe8)

95 89 Gotta throw in those fractions to make it sound official. Her cousin Ivory Jackson is 99.44% pure.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at July 08, 2023 11:57 AM (rLD7a)

96
... reported that black babies with black doctors had a 99.6% survival rate, while those with white doctors had a 99.56% survival rate. That was her "proof".
Posted by: Tom Servo

For Judge Jumanji, moral significance far outweighs statistical significance.

So there!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at July 08, 2023 11:57 AM (5pZqO)

97 > wish the man would’ve received broader attention during his life and career.

I wish he'd been the first black President of the United States instead of the one we got.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at July 08, 2023 11:57 AM (Y6AXb)

98 > Her cousin Ivory Jackson is 99.44% pure.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at July 08, 2023 11:57 AM (rLD7a)

Allegedly.

Posted by: Marilyn Chambers at July 08, 2023 11:58 AM (Y6AXb)

99 NPR: Whites fooled Asians into believing affirmative action hurt them

As a man married to an ethinic Chinese woman (who was born here), I can say that in Kalifornia, it does hurt Asians. When you can be a 4.0 (or higher), and still be denied because there are "just too many of you" to meet the affirmative action quotas, yet someone of the "right" racial mix gets in with a 3.5GPA or less, something's wrong. That's bias. That's bias based on color/ethnicity.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 08, 2023 11:58 AM (ynpvh)

100 reported that black babies with black doctors had a 99.6% survival rate, while those with white doctors had a 99.56% survival rate

And failed to correct for the fact that since a higher proportion of white doctors are specialists, white doctors are more likely to be taking care of the sickest babies.

Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at July 08, 2023 11:59 AM (2tUFv)

101 98 > Her cousin Ivory Jackson is 99.44% pure.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at July 08, 2023 11:57 AM (rLD7a)

Allegedly.

Posted by: Marilyn Chambers at July 08, 2023 11:58 AM (Y6AXb)

It's that 0.56% that'll get ya.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 08, 2023 12:00 PM (ynpvh)

102 I like the bad math from Jackson 25, and believe stunningly stupid like this should be in every one of her dissents.
She's such a lightweight she floats on air.
Posted by: Mr Gaga at July 08, 2023 11:53 AM (emrql)

The Jackson 5 > Jackson 25

Posted by: Tito Jackson at July 08, 2023 12:00 PM (R/m4+)

103 100 reported that black babies with black doctors had a 99.6% survival rate, while those with white doctors had a 99.56% survival rate

And failed to correct for the fact that since a higher proportion of white doctors are specialists, white doctors are more likely to be taking care of the sickest babies.

Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at July 08, 2023 11:59 AM (2tUFv)

Doesn't matter the color of the abortionist; almost a 100% death rate.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 08, 2023 12:00 PM (ynpvh)

104 It’s awesome that the Dutch government failed right when that fat racist singer that changed the words of the National Anthem chose them as the place she thinks is so much more free than the USA and thinking of moving to.

Posted by: polynikes at July 08, 2023 12:00 PM (MNhXM)

105 Sousa was not a great trapshooter. But he was enthusiastic, loved doing it, and was an organizer of trapshooting organizations and a promoter of the competitions, so he gets a pass.

Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at July 08, 2023 12:00 PM (4PZHB)

106 In actual fact, the study which Affirmative Action Jackson said "proved' that black babies do better with black caretakers, reported that black babies with black doctors had a 99.6% survival rate, while those with white doctors had a 99.56% survival rate. That was her "proof".
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 08, 2023 11:54 AM (FI4xi)

I'll take "What are meaningless statistical differences only considered significant because of the size of the study for $100, Alex."

Alex?? What's wrong Alex? Oh, you're dead. Nevermind then.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 08, 2023 12:00 PM (XYJz/)

107 Spain and the UK are both protesting Dopey Joe's decision to send cluster munitions to Ukraine.

The EU countries were the biggest supporters of banning cluster munitions - let's see how many of them are hypocrites.

According to the Guardian, 60% of the casualties from cluster munitions are civilians, and a third are children.

Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at July 08, 2023 12:01 PM (2tUFv)

108 106 In actual fact, the study which Affirmative Action Jackson said "proved' that black babies do better with black caretakers, reported that black babies with black doctors had a 99.6% survival rate, while those with white doctors had a 99.56% survival rate. That was her "proof".
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 08, 2023 11:54 AM (FI4xi)

I'll take "What are meaningless statistical differences only considered significant because of the size of the study for $100, Alex."

Alex?? What's wrong Alex? Oh, you're dead. Nevermind then.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 08, 2023 12:00 PM (XYJz/)

I'm still doin' his mum.

Posted by: Zombie Sean Connery at July 08, 2023 12:02 PM (ynpvh)

109 From her first week on the Supreme Court bench in October to the final day of the term that ended last week, Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson did something remarkable for a junior justice: She established herself as a distinctive voice on the court.

“She was not cowed by her surroundings or the historical import of her appointment,” said Melissa Murray, a law professor at New York University. “She came to play.”

Other justices have spoken about taking years to find their footing at the court, but Justice Jackson, the first Black woman to serve on the Supreme Court, wasted no time.

Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. did not write his first solo dissent in an argued case until 16 years into his tenure. Justice Jackson issued three such dissents in her first term.

A GREAT CHOICE for SC by President Biden!!!! Yes, we need six more like her!

She has really proven herself in her short time on the Supreme Court. I was initially apprehensive when I saw this tiny, agreeable woman. I was afraid that the conservative male justices would steamroll her into the ground. But she has been fearless. It wouldn’t surprise if she eventually becomes Chief Justice.

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at July 08, 2023 12:02 PM (JCZqz)

110 It is really amazing how many things the Left thinks are true are not.
Only whites can be racist.
AGW is destroying the planet.
Men can change gender and become women.
Women can change gender and become men.
Children, even infants, can decide they were born in the wrong body and it is okay to mutilate their healthy body and feed them hormones to prevent them ever becoming healthy adults.
It is okay to loot and steal if you are a minority and oppressed.
It is okay to shoot up heroin, live on the street, defecate in public, threaten innocent bystanders if that's what you want to do.
I can keep going....

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at July 08, 2023 12:02 PM (t/2Uw)

111 Remember, when the Pilgrims landed, they were greeted by Squanto, an Indian who spoke English and had spent much time in Europe.
Posted by: Barry Manilow at July 08, 2023 11:17 AM (Y6AXb)

They were also helped by other settlers on the coast, including a trader named David Thompson who had settled on an island now known as Thompson's Island in Boston Harbor. Thompson had set up a fur trading post after initially settling in New Hampshire

Posted by: Kindltot at July 08, 2023 12:02 PM (xhaym)

112 There were an awful lot of camera angles at work there for the 1920s with no cameras visible in the other planes when they were in shot.
Posted by: Methos at July 08, 2023 11:44 AM (kOpft)

My thoughts on this:

1. It was done purely as a stunt.

2. It really happened, but was re-enacted for the film.

I favor #1. A good pilot could probably land one of those old biplanes on one wheel, and keep it there until he scrubbed off enough speed that the ground loop resulting from the strut catching the ground wouldn't cause too much damage.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 08, 2023 12:03 PM (5N9z8)

113 107 Spain and the UK are both protesting Dopey Joe's decision to send cluster munitions to Ukraine.

The EU countries were the biggest supporters of banning cluster munitions - let's see how many of them are hypocrites.

According to the Guardian, 60% of the casualties from cluster munitions are civilians, and a third are children.

Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at July 08, 2023 12:01 PM (2tUFv)

So a ClusterF**k is sending ClusterBombs...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 08, 2023 12:03 PM (ynpvh)

114 105 Sousa Grade Ithacas are a piece of art.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at July 08, 2023 12:03 PM (rLD7a)

115 Stephen Hawking had a 99.44% survival rate. It was aliens that cut the poor bastard down!

Posted by: Dr. Bone at July 08, 2023 12:03 PM (KVGVf)

116 Doesn't matter the color of the abortionist; almost a 100% death rate.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 08, 2023 12:00 PM (ynpvh)

I still say, any Republican who was serious about stopping abortions would point out the rates at which black pregnancies end in abortion. Just put the number out there. It's not a secret, the left knows what it is.

Make them explain it.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 08, 2023 12:04 PM (XYJz/)

117 109 From her first week on the Supreme Court bench in October to the final day of the term that ended last week, Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson did something remarkable for a junior justice: She established herself as a distinctive voice on the court.

Yes, retarded can be distinctive.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 08, 2023 12:04 PM (ynpvh)

118 It got a bit of coverage initially but then was quickly covered up but one of the results of killing Gaddafi and turning Libya into a completely lawless shit hole was the opening of a very public international slave trading market.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 08, 2023 11:55 AM (ZLI7S)

Democrats always have been, are, and always will be bound with slave trading. It comes very close to being genetic.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at July 08, 2023 12:05 PM (BdMk6)

119 No matter what the alleged media says Biden wouldn't be sending cluster bombs to Ukraine if Ukraine was winning.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 08, 2023 12:05 PM (ZLI7S)

120 I wonder what are the stats for white babies with white/black doctors?

I mean who keeps these stats? They are useless.

Posted by: pawn at July 08, 2023 12:05 PM (wsHtO)

121 117 109 From her first week on the Supreme Court bench in October to the final day of the term that ended last week, Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson did something remarkable for a junior justice: She established herself as a distinctive voice on the court.

Yes, retarded can be distinctive.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 08, 2023 12:04 PM

Matt Damon!

Posted by: Matt Damon at July 08, 2023 12:05 PM (JCZqz)

122 "If the left ever gets the chance to pack the court, imagine the cavalcade of cretins they will install. No JD required. Not even a notary license. Just social values. Associate Justice Any Member of the Squad. Associate Justice Guam is Tipping over Hank. Associate Justice the late, great George Floyd (clerks write the shit anyway)."

It would be nice if a larger portion of our law-making/law-confirming portion of the federal government wasn't made of lawyers.

Posted by: Richard Cranium at July 08, 2023 12:06 PM (BjD9m)

123 112 Watched a Vietnamese AF pilot bring in an A1D on one wheel. It was a thing of beauty when he touched down, rode it out and finally came to a stop with only some prop damage. When he climbed out he was dwarfed by that old Skyraider.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at July 08, 2023 12:06 PM (rLD7a)

124 116 Doesn't matter the color of the abortionist; almost a 100% death rate.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 08, 2023 12:00 PM (ynpvh)

I still say, any Republican who was serious about stopping abortions would point out the rates at which black pregnancies end in abortion. Just put the number out there. It's not a secret, the left knows what it is.

Make them explain it.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 08, 2023 12:04 PM (XYJz/)

It's a feature, not a bug--Margaret Sanger

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 08, 2023 12:06 PM (ynpvh)

125 Why do they call her Jackson 25?

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at July 08, 2023 12:08 PM (t/2Uw)

126 No matter what the alleged media says Biden wouldn't be sending cluster bombs to Ukraine if Ukraine was winning.

Droolin' Joe's official explanation for sending cluster bombs is that the Ukrainians are running out of other types of artillery ammunition, and we are apparently no longer capable of resupplying them.

Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at July 08, 2023 12:08 PM (2tUFv)

127 >>Why do they call her Jackson 25?

Appears to be her IQ.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 08, 2023 12:08 PM (ZLI7S)

128 I think Biden sending cluster bombs just means we are running low on other munitions.

Posted by: pawn at July 08, 2023 12:09 PM (wsHtO)

129 126 No matter what the alleged media says Biden wouldn't be sending cluster bombs to Ukraine if Ukraine was winning.

Droolin' Joe's official explanation for sending cluster bombs is that the Ukrainians are running out of other types of artillery ammunition, and we are apparently no longer capable of resupplying them.

Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at July 08, 2023 12:08 PM (2tUFv)

China smiles.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 08, 2023 12:10 PM (ynpvh)

130 122 Yep, you're right there. I'm a fan of bringing back reading the law as an apprentice to get a law license. .

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at July 08, 2023 12:10 PM (rLD7a)

131 >>Droolin' Joe's official explanation for sending cluster bombs is that the Ukrainians are running out of other types of artillery ammunition, and we are apparently no longer capable of resupplying them.

Uh huh.

Last year Circle Back Jen was asked to comment on reports that Putin was using cluster bombs. She said if he was it would be a war crime.

But now it's totally ok cause we are running low on conventional bombs. Otay.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 08, 2023 12:11 PM (ZLI7S)

132 reported that black babies with black doctors had a 99.6% survival rate, while those with white doctors had a 99.56% survival rate

Where did they come up with that?
Oh right.. pulled out of their ass.

Posted by: jewells45 fuck cancer at July 08, 2023 12:11 PM (5iFFd)

133 108 106 In actual fact, the study which Affirmative Action Jackson said "proved' that black babies do better with black caretakers, reported that black babies with black doctors had a 99.6% survival rate, while those with white doctors had a 99.56% survival rate. That was her "proof".
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 08, 2023 11:54 AM (FI4xi)

It's well known fact that blacks don't know nuttin about birthin babies

Posted by: Prissy at July 08, 2023 12:12 PM (us2H3)

134 I think Biden sending cluster bombs just means we are running low on other munitions.
Posted by: pawn at July 08, 2023 12:09 PM (wsHtO)

Well, since Ukraine is a cluster-fuck, cluster bombs seem somehow appropriate.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 08, 2023 12:12 PM (5N9z8)

135 A few observations from Mark Ames on Twitter:

"they won't use cluster munitions in *urban* environments"
13 million Ukrainians, 30% of the population, lives in rural environments, but apparently they're game.
...
gotta wonder if the nationalists running Ukraine would be as willing to deploy cluster munitions in west/central Ukraine had the war lines ended up there, as they are to using them in "vatnik-infested" eastern/southeastern Ukraine
...
Aside from the morality/legality of sending cluster munitions to Ukraine—seems a bad tradeoff (limited military value vs undermining crucial domestic support for Ukraine war effort by muddying the "good vs evil" PR framing of the war). Grotesquely stupid.

Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at July 08, 2023 12:12 PM (2tUFv)

136 One of my golf buddies is a retired AF pilot who used to fly ??? doing air refueling. The 100th anniversary of air refueling was recently celebrated.

How did they do it 100 years ago?

Wingwalkers with a gas can and a rubber hose.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at July 08, 2023 12:13 PM (jgJfd)

137 That airplane lady had balls.

Yep, the only XX with balls.
No surgery or hormones required.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at July 08, 2023 12:13 PM (p8A+W)

138 I did read somewhere today that the guy who wrote the article she purportedly took the statistic from said she was mistaken.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at July 08, 2023 12:14 PM (t/2Uw)

139 > No JD required.

Well, technically one isn't required now. Never has been.

The last Justice without a law degree was Robert H. Jackson, who served from 1941 to 1954.

Posted by: Marilyn Chambers at July 08, 2023 12:14 PM (Y6AXb)

140 How do you measure success in Ukraine? Crimea has been Russia's bitch for over 14 years! Is Zelenskyy kicking ass and taking names anywhere, or is the UK Media pumping propaganda because they're balls deep in this political joke?

Posted by: Dr. Bone at July 08, 2023 12:14 PM (KVGVf)

141 I see that Lindsay Graham is on twitter advocating adding Ukraine to NATO.

Monumentally stupid idea.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at July 08, 2023 12:14 PM (jgJfd)

142 So we are out of ammo?

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at July 08, 2023 12:15 PM (vHIgi)

143 The EU countries were the biggest supporters of banning cluster munitions - let's see how many of them are hypocrites.

According to the Guardian, 60% of the casualties from cluster munitions are civilians, and a third are children.
Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at July 08, 2023 12:01 PM (2tUFv)

And 44% of those children wanted to have "gender affirming care."

Why does Biden hate trannies?

Posted by: BurtTC at July 08, 2023 12:15 PM (iIP+9)

144 Last year Circle Back Jen was asked to comment on reports that Putin was using cluster bombs. She said if he was it would be a war crime.

But now it's totally ok cause we are running low on conventional bombs. Otay.

When the Ukes start doing what the Russians have done all along and use cluster bombs on civilian targets like apartment blocks, in Russia, you'll have a good point.

As it is, they've specifically asked for them because it's the best tool for clearing the trenches they must cross in order to take back their land.

Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2023 12:15 PM (eOEVl)

145 > Why do they call her Jackson 25?
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at July 08, 2023 12:08 PM (t/2Uw)

Jackson 5 after scaling for affirmative action points?

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at July 08, 2023 12:16 PM (Y6AXb)

146 The wing walker was Gladys Ingle, and she lived to be 82 years of age. More on the 13 Black Cats:

http://www.twaspirit.com/blackcats.html

For fans of The Right stuff, a minister's daughter named Pancho Barnes was also active in this field.

Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at July 08, 2023 12:16 PM (4PZHB)

147 So we are out of ammo?
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at July 08, 2023 12:15 PM (vHIgi)

*checks gun cabinet*

No.... I mean, yes. I mean, what ammo? I don't have any ammo.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 08, 2023 12:16 PM (iIP+9)

148 Plus the inadvertent casualties from the cluster munitions will be all Ukes.

Posted by: pawn at July 08, 2023 12:16 PM (wsHtO)

149 We often make fun of the fact that liberals operate from the feelz.

But consider they have fans. SUPER fans. No one dresses like Judge Kavanaugh to go on a marathon.

Posted by: blaster at July 08, 2023 12:16 PM (pwExq)

150 > Monumentally stupid idea.

Well, it's Lindsay Graham. What else did you expect?

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at July 08, 2023 12:16 PM (Y6AXb)

151 gotta wonder if the nationalists running Ukraine would be as willing to deploy cluster munitions in west/central Ukraine had the war lines ended up there, as they are to using them in "vatnik-infested" eastern/southeastern Ukraine

Or perhaps they want to use them in eastern /SE Ukraine because that's where the Russians are. Just a thought.

Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2023 12:17 PM (eOEVl)

152 The brave woman who jumped from one plane to another in the air to changed the landing gear of the plane, 1926.
___

That is hot.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at July 08, 2023 12:17 PM (fs1hN)

153 Colleges are still going to do affirmative action they just won’t call it that. It’s like how schools swear up and down they don’t teach CRT because the letters CRT aren’t anywhere in the curriculum.

Posted by: Montec at July 08, 2023 12:17 PM (zKamG)

154 reported that black babies with black doctors had a 99.6% survival rate, while those with white doctors had a 99.56% survival rate

If you are reporting the number for one instance to two decimal places, then you should report the other to two decimal places also. "99.6%" could actually be less than "99.56%", since 99.55 rounds up to 99.6 if reduced to a single decimal place.

Conclusion: KBJ is a stunned coont.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 08, 2023 12:17 PM (5N9z8)

155 hiya

Posted by: JT at July 08, 2023 12:17 PM (T4tVD)

156 Kamala word salad sounds like me in high school and I had to do a presentation on some subject and hadn't made the slightest preparation or read anything about it.

Posted by: Ripley at July 08, 2023 12:17 PM (KrJTL)

157 You get no points for calling the Left out on hypocisy. They really, really don't care.

We said cluster munitions were war crimes last year? Shut up.

Posted by: blaster at July 08, 2023 12:18 PM (pwExq)

158 142 So we are out of ammo?

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at July 08, 2023 12:15 PM (vHIgi)

But a surplus of trannies.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 08, 2023 12:18 PM (ynpvh)

159 136 Watched a program about Lancaster crews in WW2 a few nights ago titled The Wingwalker. Long story short. Engine catches fire from flak, can't dump fuel. Guy crawls out on wing tethered by deployed parachute to extinguish. Falls, chute catches fire yet he makes it to ground, hammered. Rest of crew minus pilot bails.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at July 08, 2023 12:18 PM (rLD7a)

160 Colleges are still going to do affirmative action they just won’t call it that. It’s like how schools swear up and down they don’t teach CRT because the letters CRT aren’t anywhere in the curriculum.

True. The only thing that will stop them is jail / huge fines.

SCOTUS gave them a huge hole to drive a truck through by saying that it was fine to talk about specific hurdles they've overcome. You know, like being black.

Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2023 12:19 PM (eOEVl)

161 I mean, I do LOVE the fact that some blue haired chick is all on about submunitions now, but, honestly, she's (they?) not the best thinker.

Posted by: blaster at July 08, 2023 12:20 PM (pwExq)

162 As it is, they've specifically asked for them because it's the best tool for clearing the trenches they must cross in order to take back their land.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2023 12:15 PM (eOEVl)

What use do cluster munitions have in clearing trenches? They are for cratering roads and airfields, and as an impromptu mine field. They are used as area and movement denial munitions, not for clearing pathways through trenches and barricades.

Posted by: Kindltot at July 08, 2023 12:20 PM (xhaym)

163 I’m this moment in time that is timely and momentous we must ask ourselves how do we time the moment and be in the moment in time in which we are.

Posted by: Montec at July 08, 2023 12:20 PM (zKamG)

164 How do you measure success in Ukraine? Crimea has been Russia's bitch for over 14 years! Is Zelenskyy kicking ass and taking names anywhere, or is the UK Media pumping propaganda because they're balls deep in this political joke?
Posted by: Dr. Bone at July 08, 2023 12:14 PM (KVGVf)

14 years? Is that some Affirmative Action Jackson type of math?

I think Crimea has been Russia's "bitch," although, what IS a bitch? I'm not a biologist. Anyhoo, I'm pretty sure Russia has had the pimp hand there for about... oh, something like 500 years.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 08, 2023 12:20 PM (iIP+9)

165 gotta wonder if the nationalists running Ukraine would be as willing to deploy cluster munitions in west/central Ukraine had the war lines ended up there, as they are to using them in "vatnik-infested" eastern/southeastern Ukraine
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Best money we ever spent!

Posted by: Lindsey Graham - (R, Warmonger) at July 08, 2023 12:20 PM (fs1hN)

166 156 Kamala word salad sounds like me in high school and I had to do a presentation on some subject and hadn't made the slightest preparation or read anything about it.

Posted by: Ripley at July 08, 2023 12:17 PM (KrJTL)

https://youtu.be/-KGwLOETj_k&t=39s

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 08, 2023 12:20 PM (ynpvh)

167 When the Ukes start doing what the Russians have done all along and use cluster bombs on civilian targets like apartment blocks, in Russia, you'll have a good point.

Human Rights Watch notes that both the Russians and Ukrainians have been firing cluster bombs into civilian areas.

New Human Rights Watch research found that Ukrainian cluster munition rocket attacks on Russian-controlled areas in and around the city of Izium in eastern Ukraine during 2022 caused many casualties among Ukrainian civilians. Both countries should stop using these inherently indiscriminate weapons, and no country should supply cluster munitions because of their foreseeable danger to civilians.

“Cluster munitions used by Russia and Ukraine are killing civilians now and will continue to do so for many years,” said Mary Wareham, acting arms director at Human Rights Watch. “Both sides should immediately stop using them and not try to get more of these indiscriminate weapons.”

https://tinyurl.com/4vbdeujt

So I guess we have a good point.

Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at July 08, 2023 12:21 PM (2tUFv)

168 Watched a program about Lancaster crews in WW2 a few nights ago titled The Wingwalker.

The B-17 was more numerous (I think) and the B-29 was a better plane, but for me, there is no more iconic WWII bomber than the Lanc.

Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2023 12:21 PM (eOEVl)

169

Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at July 08, 2023 12:21 PM (2tUFv)

170 After watching this video, I'm concluding that what Ukraine needs is flail tanks.

https://bityl.co/Jhi8

Warning: graphic live action of people stepping on mines.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 08, 2023 12:21 PM (aD39U)

171 Watched a program about Lancaster crews in WW2 a few nights ago titled The Wingwalker. Long story short. Engine catches fire from flak, can't dump fuel. Guy crawls out on wing tethered by deployed parachute to extinguish. Falls, chute catches fire yet he makes it to ground, hammered. Rest of crew minus pilot bails.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door

What does that mean, "he makes it to the ground hammered " ?

Don't drink and fly ?

Posted by: JT at July 08, 2023 12:22 PM (T4tVD)

172 Ok. The biplane video was pretty compelling so I had to do some digging.
Her name was Gladys Ingle and she was part of an airshow barnstorming act named 13 Black Cats formed by former WWI pilots and mechanics to cash in on Hollywood stunt work.
The video was part of a carefully staged act to create drama for an air show. The wheel of the stricken plane would fall off at takeoff.
Sorry, but I closed the tab for the blog that explained it all and I don't recall the URL.

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at July 08, 2023 12:22 PM (DhOHl)

173 >>When the Ukes start doing what the Russians have done all along and use cluster bombs on civilian targets like apartment blocks, in Russia, you'll have a good point.

No, it's a good point now. You don't get to choose when a weapon is good or bad. If it is a war crime for Putin to use weapons that are banned by a large part of the world and our government can call him a war criminal for doing it then we don't get to turn around and say "Well we've been assured these will only be used in a good way". That's bullshit.

The globalists have been lying about this war from day 1 and they continue to lie. Two things can be true at the same time, Putin can be a bad guy and so can Biden.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 08, 2023 12:22 PM (ZLI7S)

174 We won't use cluster munitions in populated areas.

Damn, just when we were getting our hopes up. Baltimore PD.

Damn, can't even do that. Sure wish Rizzo was around to call in an air strike. Philly PD.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at July 08, 2023 12:22 PM (rLD7a)

175 Or perhaps they want to use them in eastern /SE Ukraine because that's where the Russians are. Just a thought.

Including Russian-speaking civilians.

Bonus!

Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at July 08, 2023 12:22 PM (2tUFv)

176
SCOTUS gave them a huge hole to drive a truck through by saying that it was fine to talk about specific hurdles they've overcome. You know, like being black.
Posted by: Archimedes

Yep. This is not the big win conservatives think it is.

Colleges: We won’t accept Juwan because he’s black. We’ll accept Juwan because he has to overcome racism. See, totally not affirmative action.

Posted by: Montec at July 08, 2023 12:22 PM (zKamG)

177 What use do cluster munitions have in clearing trenches? They are for cratering roads and airfields, and as an impromptu mine field. They are used as area and movement denial munitions, not for clearing pathways through trenches and barricades.

They are very useful. Because you don't have to hit a very narrow area (a trench) you can kill lots of the enemy hunkered down in the trench without being as precise.

Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2023 12:22 PM (eOEVl)

178 I hate that people keep using that word. It obscures the truth. It's no less a lie than when an abusive spouse gets done beating the shit out of the other, says "It's for your own good."

Stop letting them get away with this. These people are not liberals.
Posted by: BurtTC
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Read a nice article by Prager recently, 'Can you define Leftism'?

Excerpt: “What is leftism?” is not at all the same as “What is liberalism?” Leftism and liberalism share almost no values. Indeed, perhaps the greatest tragedy of America today is that liberals do not vote their values. Leftists vote their values, and conservatives vote their values. But liberals vote for left-wing values, almost none of which they hold.

And:

"Leftism is the attempt to destroy the past — every value and every institution, the good as well as what it regards as the bad."

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 08, 2023 12:22 PM (oLF0J)

179 "Colleges are still going to do affirmative action they just won’t call it that. It’s like how schools swear up and down they don’t teach CRT because the letters CRT aren’t anywhere in the curriculum.

Posted by: Monte"

Their essay on their lifelong struggle against racism will be used admit then. Even though they will be horribly written and pure BS (like Mooch's thesis) it will be power of their words that matter.

Posted by: Ripley at July 08, 2023 12:23 PM (KrJTL)

180 Why do they call her Jackson 25?

Brown 25 was a product of the Uranus Corp. in the film "The Groove Tube."

It's shit.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at July 08, 2023 12:23 PM (jgJfd)

181 But a surplus of trannies.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 08, 2023 12:18 PM (ynpvh)

Which is fine, they should fit nicely into some of our bigger guns. Fire them at the Rooskies.

Win/win.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 08, 2023 12:23 PM (iIP+9)

182 There is no US national interest in being in the Ukrainian war.
Only globalist interest.

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at July 08, 2023 12:24 PM (vHIgi)

183 No, it's a good point now. You don't get to choose when a weapon is good or bad. If it is a war crime for Putin to use weapons that are banned by a large part of the world and our government can call him a war criminal for doing it then we don't get to turn around and say "Well we've been assured these will only be used in a good way". That's bullshit.

Disagree. It's very important what you use them for. Attacking apartment blocks of civilians is never okay. Taking out a trench full of waiting enemy is.

As to what our government says, I don't care, but in this case, they're arguing about the Russians attacking civilians. The fact that those Russian soldiers occupy a country other than their own is also important.

Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2023 12:25 PM (eOEVl)

184 When the Ukes start doing what the Russians have done all along and use cluster bombs on civilian targets like apartment blocks, in Russia, you'll have a good point.

As it is, they've specifically asked for them because it's the best tool for clearing the trenches they must cross in order to take back their land.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2023 12:15 PM (eOEVl)

Ukraine should have had munitions factories up and runnning by now with the amount of money we've been sending them.

How 'bout we stop sending them anything, including money.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at July 08, 2023 12:25 PM (BdMk6)

185 182 There is no US national interest in being in the Ukrainian war.

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Shut your mouth Putin lover!!
- American Military Industrial Complex

Posted by: Montec at July 08, 2023 12:26 PM (zKamG)

186 There is no US national interest in being in the Ukrainian war.
Only globalist interest.
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at July 08, 2023 12:24 PM (vHIgi)

If we don't stop Putin in Ukraine, before you know it, Communists will be running this country.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 08, 2023 12:26 PM (aD39U)

187 Andy Rooney used to relate the tale of Medal of Honor recipient Maynard "Snuffy" Smith, who put out a fire on a B-17 "using the only liquid available to a man in that situation."

Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at July 08, 2023 12:26 PM (4PZHB)

188 Including Russian-speaking civilians.

Bonus!

If they're in Russian trenches, sure.

Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2023 12:26 PM (eOEVl)

189 176
SCOTUS gave them a huge hole to drive a truck through by saying that it was fine to talk about specific hurdles they've overcome. You know, like being black.
Posted by: Archimedes

Yep. This is not the big win conservatives think it is.

Colleges: We won’t accept Juwan because he’s black. We’ll accept Juwan because he has to overcome racism. See, totally not affirmative action.

Posted by: Montec at July 08, 2023 12:22 PM (zKamG)

Just giving Juwan racial affirming care.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 08, 2023 12:26 PM (ynpvh)

190 Excerpt: “What is leftism?” is not at all the same as “What is liberalism?” Leftism and liberalism share almost no values. Indeed, perhaps the greatest tragedy of America today is that liberals do not vote their values. Leftists vote their values, and conservatives vote their values. But liberals vote for left-wing values, almost none of which they hold.

And:

"Leftism is the attempt to destroy the past — every value and every institution, the good as well as what it regards as the bad."
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 08, 2023 12:22 PM (oLF0J)

All true. Unfortunately, the Republican Party, which is supposedly the party of "conservatives," is more of a leftist party than they want to admit, so there's not a lot of effort on their part to hammer this concept home.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 08, 2023 12:26 PM (iIP+9)

191 So a ClusterF**k is sending ClusterBombs...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia)

I was rather unsettled when watching a video about German civilian opinion concerning Allied bombing. (SPOILER ALERT:They didn't like it.) It's easy to justify our bombing given that they started the, they started bombing civilians, and they were evil. But the average German didn't want the war and were lied into it. Now we are being ruled by a criminal regime preparing to cluster bomb our friend's enemies despite the fact that most of the world considers that to be a war crime. To quote that great philosopher John Fogarty, I fear a bad moon rising. What is justice for the German factory worker in 1943 and for us in coming days?

P.S. This feeling is exacerbated by reading Julia Boyd's A Village In the Third Reich.

P.P.S. The video: https://tinyurl.com/2vz8m6f8

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at July 08, 2023 12:26 PM (FVME7)

192 About those cluster bombs for Ukraine...

IIRC cluster munitions are not exactly deployed as "stand off" weapons. They're dropped from low flying aircraft on personnel, vehicles and the like. This war between Russia and (let's face it, NATO) has been mostly fought at arms length using missiles, drones and an occasional tank battle.

The use of cluster bombs is a real head scratcher. I mean they potentially could do great damage and kill lots of people, which I guess is the whole point of this shit show right now. But tactically, it doesn't make much sense.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 08, 2023 12:26 PM (Q4IgG)

193 Ukraine should have had munitions factories up and runnning by now with the amount of money we've been sending them.

They may have a few other things on their plates right now.

Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2023 12:27 PM (eOEVl)

194 The Catholic Church instituted "New Coke" back in 1970. While it only took 9 months for the Coca Cola Co. to go back to "original recipe" Coke, the Catholic Church marches on with a greatly reduced participation.

The attendance at Traditional Latin Mass parishes is booming.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at July 08, 2023 12:27 PM (jgJfd)

195 True. The only thing that will stop them is jail / huge fines.

SCOTUS gave them a huge hole to drive a truck through by saying that it was fine to talk about specific hurdles they've overcome. You know, like being black.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2023 12:19 PM (eOEVl)

You might want to read it, the decision is quite nice to read.
Thomas actually said that other work arounds to get the same goal of diversity outcome based on skin color are also a form of discrimination and is also illegal. Apparently the idea that the solution that pushes discrimination to solve discrimination has failed to do any good for 50 years and should not be continued.

If you have 30 minutes, this is a podcast from a Harvard grad discussing it, and his concerns.
Tom Woods Show: Ep. 2359 Supreme Court Rules Against Harvard

https://tinyurl.com/3njhmsar

Posted by: Kindltot at July 08, 2023 12:27 PM (xhaym)

196 There is no US national interest in being in the Ukrainian war.
Only globalist interest.
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at July 08, 2023 12:24 PM (vHIgi)

And yet, there is only one prominent "Republican" who appears to be willing to say that.

And they're trying to put him in jail.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 08, 2023 12:28 PM (iIP+9)

197 The most favored blacks in history are the descendants of African slaves brought to what would become United States in the early eighteenth century. That they now bemoan their privilege is really pathetic. Millions of native Africans would give anything for a chance to become a US citizen today.

Posted by: JmT at July 08, 2023 12:28 PM (IOaKQ)

198 9 cuz every biplane that loses a wheel also has a camera onboard
Posted by: REDACTED at July 08, 2023 11:17 AM (us2H3)
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There's about a half dozen cameras up there - many different camera angles. It must either be a complete fake or the stunt was arranged in advance.

Posted by: 496 at July 08, 2023 12:28 PM (Bf+P4)

199 reported that black babies with black doctors had a 99.6% survival rate, while those with white doctors had a 99.56% survival rate

If you are reporting the number for one instance to two decimal places, then you should report the other to two decimal places also. "99.6%" could actually be less than "99.56%", since 99.55 rounds up to 99.6 if reduced to a single decimal place.

Conclusion: KBJ is a stunned coont.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

I doubt she is capable of grokking significant figures, nevermind stats theory.

Posted by: Itimerant Alley Butcher at July 08, 2023 12:28 PM (ga8qR)

200 Weekend is here.
I predict alcohol, low standard and poor decisions.

Posted by: Diogenes at July 08, 2023 12:28 PM (e4fEA)

201 IIRC cluster munitions are not exactly deployed as "stand off" weapons. They're dropped from low flying aircraft on personnel, vehicles and the like. This war between Russia and (let's face it, NATO) has been mostly fought at arms length using missiles, drones and an occasional tank battle.

It's unclear to me what form they're taking. We've got CM artillery shells, and one source said that's what they're sending. The more common form is a highly precise JDAM from a plane.

Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2023 12:28 PM (eOEVl)

202 Ukraine should have had munitions factories up and runnning by now with the amount of money we've been sending them.

They may have a few other things on their plates right now.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2023 12:27 PM (eOEVl)

That money is in Swiss accounts now.

Posted by: BignJames at July 08, 2023 12:29 PM (AwYPR)

203 Ukraine should have had munitions factories up and runnning by now with the amount of money we've been sending them.

They may have a few other things on their plates right now.
Posted by: Archimedes

Tickets to Monte Carlo.

Posted by: JT at July 08, 2023 12:29 PM (T4tVD)

204 >>As to what our government says, I don't care, but in this case, they're arguing about the Russians attacking civilians. The fact that those Russian soldiers occupy a country other than their own is also important.

Occupy another country? Like we did in multiple countries in the Middle East for decades?

The reason there is a war in Ukraine in the first place is because Russia thought we were occupying Ukraine. Because we were. And we were getting ready to bring them into NATO which Putin has been saying for years would cross his red line. His red lines are not like Obama's.

And then of course there is the not so small matter of the Ukrainian government waging its own war against ethnic Russian Ukrainian citizens and killing over 10,000 of them leading up to Russia's invasion. There are no good guys in this war.

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Posted by: www.Payathome7.com at July 08, 2023 12:29 PM (ADQtl)

206 Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson parroted a refuted claim in a Thursday dissent that black newborns are more likely to live when treated by black doctors.

For high risk Black newborns, having a Black physician more than doubles the likelihood that the baby will live, and not die,” Jackson wrote in her dissent for a case that determined the fate of affirmative action policies in college admission practices.

1. That mean white doctors KILL over 50% of all black babies they treat. (doubling 50% would then be 100%)
2. So if you start a study and 1 week into the study you saw that a doctor was killing 50% of their patients YOU WOULD SCREAM 911 and shut the hospital down.
3. Can you be moar racist against white people?

Posted by: rhennigantx at July 08, 2023 12:30 PM (BRHaw)

207 The Catholic Church instituted "New Coke" back in 1970. While it only took 9 months for the Coca Cola Co. to go back to "original recipe" Coke, the Catholic Church marches on with a greatly reduced participation.

The attendance at Traditional Latin Mass parishes is booming.
Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at July 08, 2023 12:27 PM (jgJfd)

And yet the Fresh Pope is slobbering over getting to meet Bill Clinton and Alex Soros.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 08, 2023 12:30 PM (iIP+9)

208 Thomas actually said that other work arounds to get the same goal of diversity outcome based on skin color are also a form of discrimination and is also illegal. Apparently the idea that the solution that pushes discrimination to solve discrimination has failed to do any good for 50 years and should not be continued.

I don't doubt it for a second. I'm just saying this is what they'll try as a workaround for the clear directive of SCOTUS.

Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2023 12:30 PM (eOEVl)

209 So let’s say colleges still admit black candidates with shit grades over white or Asian candidates with better grades. What happens? Does a US Marshall go arrest the college admission dean?how does a decision like that get enforced?

Posted by: Montec at July 08, 2023 12:30 PM (zKamG)

210 194 The Catholic Church instituted "New Coke" back in 1970. While it only took 9 months for the Coca Cola Co. to go back to "original recipe" Coke, the Catholic Church marches on with a greatly reduced participation.

The attendance at Traditional Latin Mass parishes is booming.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at July 08, 2023 12:27 PM (jgJfd)

Where can I get this new coke?

Posted by: Hunter Biden at July 08, 2023 12:30 PM (ynpvh)

211 Conservative Justices are hampered by their belief that they should actually follow The Law, as written. That's why they won't force an outcome based standard on college admissions departments. They are free to admit people on any standards they want to use, as long as they don't openly violate the constitution.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 08, 2023 12:30 PM (FI4xi)

212 P.S. This feeling is exacerbated by reading Julia Boyd's A Village In the Third Reich.

P.P.S. The video: https://tinyurl.com/2vz8m6f8
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks,

Similarly, I recently learned that during WW2, Nagasaki had the largest population of Christians in Japan.It also destroyed the largest Cathedral in the Far East.
They didn't worship the Emperor, they didn't support the war.

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at July 08, 2023 12:31 PM (vHIgi)

213

The Jackson debate squad in action:

https://youtu.be/fmO-ziHU_D8

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 08, 2023 12:32 PM (63Dwl)

214 Ukraine should have had munitions factories up and runnning by now with the amount of money we've been sending them.

Their deal with Turkey will help. The Turks have quietly, over the last couple decades, built a very good defense industry.

Posted by: Diogenes at July 08, 2023 12:32 PM (e4fEA)

215 You have to have been around conspiracy politics quite a long time to remember when there really was a Catholic angle to "cola wars."

In the sixties, the "RC" in RC Cola was widely whispered to stand for Roman Catholic. There were many who avoided the brand because of this.

Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at July 08, 2023 12:32 PM (4PZHB)

216 In my humble opinion, we are in "The Great Apostasy" foretold by several Marian visitations (I don't like the word "apparition." She has glorified body. She can come as go.).

The hierarchy of the Church is full of sodomites and this new Synod on Synodality is all about weakening the Apostolic authority of the Pope and the Bishops.

Stay tuned.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at July 08, 2023 12:32 PM (jgJfd)

217 *the bomb destroyed

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at July 08, 2023 12:32 PM (vHIgi)

218 Occupy another country? Like we did in multiple countries in the Middle East for decades?

The reason there is a war in Ukraine in the first place is because Russia thought we were occupying Ukraine. Because we were. And we were getting ready to bring them into NATO which Putin has been saying for years would cross his red line. His red lines are not like Obama's.

And then of course there is the not so small matter of the Ukrainian government waging its own war against ethnic Russian Ukrainian citizens and killing over 10,000 of them leading up to Russia's invasion. There are no good guys in this war.

There are many things to argue about here, including the use of Russian hybrid warfare to take over Crimea and eastern Ukraine, as they publicly said they wanted to do, and the need on the part of the Ukes to fight back against this stealth invasion.

Nonetheless, only one country invaded another and slaughtered its population in large numbers.

Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2023 12:32 PM (eOEVl)

219 Is it too late to take out a student loan that I don't hafta repay ?

Posted by: JT at July 08, 2023 12:33 PM (T4tVD)

220 No, it's a good point now. You don't get to choose when a weapon is good or bad. If it is a war crime for Putin to use weapons that are banned by a large part of the world and our government can call him a war criminal for doing it then we don't get to turn around and say "Well we've been assured these will only be used in a good way". That's bullshit.
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Was it Princess Diana that was pushing the anti-mine agenda back in the early 90s? Or was she already pushing daisies?

Posted by: Itimerant Alley Butcher at July 08, 2023 12:33 PM (ga8qR)

221 As to what our government says, I don't care, but in this case, they're arguing about the Russians attacking civilians. The fact that those Russian soldiers occupy a country other than their own is also important.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2023 12:25 PM (eOEVl)

The United States has been occupying "their" country for several years now.

One could argue the Russians are merely trying to take it back.

That's a much more accurate assessment than that the Russians are occupying someone else's country.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 08, 2023 12:33 PM (iIP+9)

222 LOL. I am a child of the sixties, and I never heard that. But then, I was not a Protestant.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at July 08, 2023 12:34 PM (jgJfd)

223 We won't use cluster munitions in populated areas.

Damn, just when we were getting our hopes up. Baltimore PD.

Damn, can't even do that. Sure wish Rizzo was around to call in an air strike. Philly PD.
Posted by: bill in arkansas
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One word: Flechettes

Hold it, hold it...just remembered the Cobray 'Street Sweeper'

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 08, 2023 12:34 PM (q0Hle)

224 Nonetheless, only one country invaded another and slaughtered its popaulation in large numbers.

A country whose borders the invader had repeatedly recognized. Until they decided they didn't want to.

Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2023 12:34 PM (eOEVl)

225 They are very useful. Because you don't have to hit a very narrow area (a trench) you can kill lots of the enemy hunkered down in the trench without being as precise.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2023 12:22 PM (eOEVl)

Because the footprint of a cluster munition is very tight and not extended, and trenches are not designed to protect against this. Right.
Then after you have scattered that area with duds that will also act as mines, your loyal troops advance across your unmapped minefield to finish clearing trenches that are also mined with your duds.

Maybe we should give them mustard gas instead? It would kill fewer Ukrainian infantry.

Posted by: Kindltot at July 08, 2023 12:34 PM (xhaym)

226 Scotus decision should have said here is the formula for admissions. SATs, GPA has to account for x% of the decision. Anything else is in violation of this court and the college is subject to criminal Prosecution.

Instead the decision basically says yeah don’t do affirmative action but do whatever else you thinks works (just don’t call it affirmative action).

Posted by: Montec at July 08, 2023 12:34 PM (zKamG)

227 Was it Princess Diana that was pushing the anti-mine agenda back in the early 90s? Or was she already pushing daisies?
Posted by: Itimerant Alley Butcher at July 08, 2023 12:33 PM (ga8qR)

Yeah, that was her thing. In between blowing Arabs.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 08, 2023 12:34 PM (iIP+9)

228 They may have a few other things on their plates right now.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2023 12:27 PM (eOEVl)

Yup. Money laundering and international arms sales take up a lot of time and resources.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at July 08, 2023 12:34 PM (BdMk6)

229 Nonetheless, only one country invaded another and slaughtered its population in large numbers.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2023 12:32 PM (eOEVl)

In fairness, we are out of Afghanistan now.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 08, 2023 12:34 PM (aD39U)

230 213

The Jackson debate squad in action:

https://youtu.be/fmO-ziHU_D8

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 08, 2023 12:32 PM (63Dwl)

Uh.

Posted by: Hunter Biden at July 08, 2023 12:34 PM (ynpvh)

231 Where can I get this new coke?
Posted by: Hunter Biden at July 08, 2023 12:30 PM (ynpvh)

Threadwinner.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at July 08, 2023 12:35 PM (jgJfd)

232 The United States has been occupying "their" country for several years now.

One could argue the Russians are merely trying to take it back.

That's a much more accurate assessment than that the Russians are occupying someone else's country.

Please. That's just idiotic.

Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2023 12:35 PM (eOEVl)

233 Millions of native Africans would give anything for a chance to become a US citizen today.
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Come to the US border! Barely an inconvenience!

Posted by: Secretary Mayorkas at July 08, 2023 12:35 PM (fs1hN)

234 Supposedly there are other corporate types who make speeches like The Ho

Posted by: Skip at July 08, 2023 12:35 PM (xhxe8)

235 "how does a decision like that get enforced?"

What ever way it gets enforced, the lawyers make a lot of money, mostly off the government.

Posted by: pawn at July 08, 2023 12:35 PM (wsHtO)

236 Kamala word salad sounds like me in high school and I had to do a presentation on some subject and hadn't made the slightest preparation or read anything about it.
Posted by: Ripley

My book report is on War and Peace. It's about Russia and war and peace. I mean, think about it. War and peace in Russia, right?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at July 08, 2023 12:35 PM (FVME7)

237 Kamala is stunningly dense. She doesn't even seem to realize that her convoluted b.s. doesn't communicate anything.

I wonder what her IQ is.

Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at July 08, 2023 12:35 PM (Mzdiz)

238 There are four GOATS in sports history.

Babe Ruth
Michael Jordan
Wayne Gretzky
Jim Brown

Posted by: JmT at July 08, 2023 12:35 PM (IOaKQ)

239 Enforcement of the SCOTUS ruling: if you feel you have been discriminated against in violation of this decision, you can sue in district court, and after 15 years of arguments and appeals and at least $500,000 out of pocket, you can force the college to say "Was that wrong? Should we not have done that? Well sorry. Too late to fix it now."

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 08, 2023 12:36 PM (FI4xi)

240 a year from now, the Ukrainian war will be widely unpopular

and will probably split both dims and GOP in DC

however, the voters will be sick of it

Posted by: REDACTED at July 08, 2023 12:36 PM (us2H3)

241 The people in that audience most assuredly thought Kamala is an incredibly well spoken woman and were inspired by her words.

Posted by: Montec at July 08, 2023 12:37 PM (zKamG)

242 225 Just go old school. Mk 82s and napalm. Snake and nape.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at July 08, 2023 12:37 PM (rLD7a)

243 Because the footprint of a cluster munition is very tight and not extended, and trenches are not designed to protect against this. Right.
Then after you have scattered that area with duds that will also act as mines, your loyal troops advance across your unmapped minefield to finish clearing trenches that are also mined with your duds.

Think about it. With lots of small munitions, some will land in the trenches and kill the people that need killing, as well as possibly explode the minefields in front of the trench. Then, you can send tanks, APCs, and other equipment through the gap. If one of those triggers a CM, no big deal.

You know where they are, because you know where the trenches are, so you can go back later and clean the area of UXO.

Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2023 12:37 PM (eOEVl)

244 If they're in Russian trenches, sure.

Cluster bombs kill and maim lots and lots of civilians that aren't in trenches.

Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at July 08, 2023 12:37 PM (2tUFv)

245 The hierarchy of the Church is full of sodomites and this new Synod on Synodality is all about weakening the Apostolic authority of the Pope and the Bishops.

Stay tuned.
Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at July 08, 2023 12:32 PM (jgJfd)

To paraphrase, I didn't leave the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church left me.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 08, 2023 12:38 PM (iIP+9)

246 The United States has been occupying "their" country for several years now.

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Ben and Jerry have entered the chat room.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at July 08, 2023 12:38 PM (FVME7)

247 There are four GOATS in sports history.

Babe Ruth
Michael Jordan
Wayne Gretzky
Jim Brown
Posted by: JmT at July

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Bite me.

Posted by: Tom Brady at July 08, 2023 12:38 PM (zKamG)

248 Cluster bombs kill and maim lots and lots of civilians that aren't in trenches.

1) Precision munitions
2) Unlike the Russians, you are targeting specific MILITARY targets, i.e. trenches.

Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2023 12:38 PM (eOEVl)

249 241 The people in that audience most assuredly thought Kamala is an incredibly well spoken woman and were inspired by her words.

Posted by: Montec at July 08, 2023 12:37 PM (zKamG)

I think she's more known for her oral skills.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 08, 2023 12:39 PM (ynpvh)

250 238 There are four GOATS in sports history.

Babe Ruth
Michael Jordan
Wayne Gretzky
Jim Brown
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*blinks*
*rubs eyes*
*looks at list again*

Posted by: Tom Brady at July 08, 2023 12:39 PM (fs1hN)

251 They are very useful. Because you don't have to hit a very narrow area (a trench) you can kill lots of the enemy hunkered down in the trench without being as precise.

So when the cluster bombs fail to have any significant military effect, like all the other wunderwaffen we're supplied to Ukraine, will you support a Korea-style armistice along the current front lines.

Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at July 08, 2023 12:39 PM (2tUFv)

252 Please. That's just idiotic.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2023 12:35 PM (eOEVl)

Your shameless shilling for the criminal juntas in both Kiev and Washington is really very unbecoming.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 08, 2023 12:40 PM (5N9z8)

253 Montec, SCOTUS can't dictate procedures like that - where is the power to do that stated in the Constitution? That's the biggest difference between Conservative jurists and liberal ones, the Liberal jurists feel they can order anything they feel like ordering just because they want to.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 08, 2023 12:40 PM (FI4xi)

254 Please. That's just idiotic.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2023 12:35 PM (eOEVl)

No, you are.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 08, 2023 12:40 PM (iIP+9)

255 so you can go back later and clean the area of UXO.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2023 12:37 PM (eOEVl)

Does this ever happen?
an army clearing landmines, etc, that it had deployed?
I don't even see anyone taking down flyers they put up about garage sales, lost pets, etc

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at July 08, 2023 12:41 PM (vHIgi)

256 So when the cluster bombs fail to have any significant military effect, like all the other wunderwaffen we're supplied to Ukraine, will you support a Korea-style armistice along the current front lines.

1) Why would I do that?
2) Do you always assume nothing will work, and thus give up and not try?

Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2023 12:41 PM (eOEVl)

257 Their deal with Turkey will help. The Turks have quietly, over the last couple decades, built a very good defense industry.
Posted by: Diogenes

And the Turks are cranking out some quality small arms at good prices.

Posted by: Itimerant Alley Butcher at July 08, 2023 12:41 PM (ga8qR)

258 253 Montec, SCOTUS can't dictate procedures like that - where is the power to do that stated in the Constitution? That's the biggest difference between Conservative jurists and liberal ones, the Liberal jurists feel they can order anything they feel like ordering just because they want to.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 08, 2023 12:40 PM (FI4xi)

Let them go to Burger King then; they can have it their way.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 08, 2023 12:41 PM (ynpvh)

259 One should never use the words "think" and "Liberal" in the same sentence.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at July 08, 2023 12:42 PM (CHHv1)

260 This thing is going to get out of control and we will be lucky to survive it.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at July 08, 2023 12:42 PM (jgJfd)

261 1) Precision munitions

Cluster bombs? Don't make me laugh.

These are area-dispersal weapons.

2) Unlike the Russians, you are targeting specific MILITARY targets, i.e. trenches.

You didn't even read the Human Rights Watch article about the Ukrainians deliberately firing cluster bombs into civilian areas, did you?

Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at July 08, 2023 12:42 PM (2tUFv)

262 257 Their deal with Turkey will help. The Turks have quietly, over the last couple decades, built a very good defense industry.
Posted by: Diogenes

And the Turks are cranking out some quality small arms at good prices.

Posted by: Itimerant Alley Butcher at July 08, 2023 12:41 PM (ga8qR)

Do they sell medium arms?

Posted by: Michelle Fields at July 08, 2023 12:42 PM (ynpvh)

263 Does this ever happen?
an army clearing landmines, etc, that it had deployed?

It absolutely does. There are various methods, some more dangerous than others. A guy with a metal detector and spools of tape is one. Alternatively, there are much more advanced methods involving GPS and towed arrays of detectors such as SQUID magnetometers. I'd choose b).

Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2023 12:42 PM (eOEVl)

264 The Uke war will go on forever because it’s not really a war it’s a business deal. And why stop the money flowing after 2 years when you can make money for 20 years.

Posted by: Montec at July 08, 2023 12:42 PM (zKamG)

265 Sotomayor's dissent and most of the lefty justices have a few things in common other than being fairly dumb and lacking legal argument. They appeal to a sense of doom or misery on the horizon that will necessarily occur if this decision goes through.

Its a logical fallacy (several in fact) but it boils down to this: they cannot prove their case, so try to frighten people into emotional surrender.

The biggest laugh for me was AOC saying they need to hold hearings and grill the Supreme Court justices. Um, separation of powers, baby.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 08, 2023 12:43 PM (0hOvj)

266 I made SIX attempts to post a comment and it was rejected as spam.

I thin KT puts it on autopilot while she freshens up.

Posted by: JT at July 08, 2023 12:43 PM (T4tVD)

267 Your shameless shilling for the criminal juntas in both Kiev and Washington is really very unbecoming.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 08, 2023 12:40 PM (5N9z

It's sad to see. Lindsay Graham and Mitch McConnell put it out there, I guess someone has to suck it up.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 08, 2023 12:43 PM (iIP+9)

268 1) Why would I do that?

Good point. You are willing to fight this war to the last Ukrainian.

Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at July 08, 2023 12:43 PM (2tUFv)

269 Think about it. With lots of small munitions, some will land in the trenches and kill the people that need killing, as well as possibly explode the minefields in front of the trench. Then, you can send tanks, APCs, and other equipment through the gap. If one of those triggers a CM, no big deal.

You know where they are, because you know where the trenches are, so you can go back later and clean the area of UXO.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2023 12:37 PM (eOEVl)

Now you're just dreaming. War never works that way.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at July 08, 2023 12:44 PM (BdMk6)

270 I doubt that Babe Ruth had to try to hit a Randy Johnson fastball.

Or a Randy Jones slider.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at July 08, 2023 12:44 PM (jgJfd)

271 270 I doubt that Babe Ruth had to try to hit a Randy Johnson fastball.

Or a Randy Jones slider.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at July 08, 2023 12:44 PM (jgJfd)

Well, yeah. Just spitballin' here.

Posted by: Michelle Fields at July 08, 2023 12:45 PM (ynpvh)

272 off sock

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 08, 2023 12:45 PM (ynpvh)

273 Kamala is stunningly dense. She doesn't even seem to realize that her convoluted b.s. doesn't communicate anything.

I wonder what her IQ is.
Posted by: Miley, okravangelist

High enough to know how to get ahead.
It's not who you know, it's who you blow.

Posted by: Itimerant Alley Butcher at July 08, 2023 12:45 PM (ga8qR)

274
Think about it. With lots of small munitions, some will land in the trenches and kill the people that need killing, as well as possibly explode the minefields in front of the trench. Then, you can send tanks, APCs, and other equipment through the gap. If one of those triggers a CM, no big deal.[ . . ]
Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2023 12:37 PM (eOEVl)

It is a hell of a position to be advancing on prepared positions behind a Hail Mary suppression of trenches and minefields. How good are CM against prepared bunkers with overhead protection?
Kitchner promised that the wire entanglements would be cut by bombardment. That turned out poorly too.

This is away from the main point, we apparently are sending munitions that the administration considered tantamount to war crimes to be used because they tend to kill a lot of non combatants.
We are sending them because we apparently have sent everything else, and it isn't enough
It isn't enough because there is not enough manpower left, and there is not enough of the munitions and weapons to break through prepared lines.

Posted by: Kindltot at July 08, 2023 12:45 PM (xhaym)

275 You didn't even read the Human Rights Watch article about the Ukrainians deliberately firing cluster bombs into civilian areas, did you?

I hadn't. I just glanced over it now. I noticed this.

Ukrainian forces have used cluster munitions that caused deaths and serious injuries to civilians. Russian forces have extensively used cluster munitions, causing many civilian deaths and serious injuries.

I assume there's a reason that they phrased it as "have used" for the Ukes, and "have extensively used" for the Russians. Regardless, assuming HRW is correct (which I don't) the Ukes should not have done that, and apparently no longer are. The same is not true of the Russians.

Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2023 12:46 PM (eOEVl)

276 Its a logical fallacy (several in fact) but it boils down to this: they cannot prove their case, so try to frighten people into emotional surrender.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 08, 2023 12:43 PM (0hOvj)

This. Unfortunately, this technique works great on people with severely underdeveloped discernment.

Posted by: Emmie -- ArkanOklaMoMe RSVP by July 7, please! at July 08, 2023 12:47 PM (Emce2)

277 Droolin' Joe's official explanation for sending cluster bombs is that the Ukrainians are running out of other types of artillery ammunition, and we are apparently no longer capable of resupplying them.

And Raytheon is recalling their Stinger engineers from retirement (Carter era design) since the contractor stopped manufacturing them twenty years ago, and their current crop of AA engineers can't read blueprints.

CEO says the first batch will be ready to ship in 30 months from date of order. The Manhattan project was done in that time.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at July 08, 2023 12:47 PM (p8A+W)

278 The pedo intent has always been baked into the leftist culture. Same for libertarians.
Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons

Interesting. This libertarian hadn't noticed that. But hey, you can be blind to your own little place on the political spectrum. That's human nature.

Posted by: SFGoth at July 08, 2023 12:48 PM (KAi1n)

279 170 After watching this video, I'm concluding that what Ukraine needs is flail tanks.

https://bityl.co/Jhi8

Warning: graphic live action of people stepping on mines.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 08, 2023 12:21 PM (aD39U)

The Ukrainians have a variety of mine clearance systems mounted on tanks and other armored vehicles. Modern mine clearance systems do not use flails. Mine designers learned how to prevent flails from triggering anti-tank mines and some anti-personnel mines. They use mine plows to move mines to the sides of the track lane and heavy rollers, often in combination on a frame. NATO nations have been supplying their own tanks with mine clearance systems, or the systems-only for Uke engineers to mount on their tanks, and whatever old or captured Russian systems for T-72s and Uke-built systems they have.

There are too many varieties to list. Do a g--gle image search on mine plow and mine clearance tanks.

Posted by: Gref at July 08, 2023 12:48 PM (AMIL/)

280 I doubt that Babe Ruth had to try to hit a Randy Johnson fastball.

Or a Randy Jones slider.
Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at July 08, 2023 12:44 PM (jgJfd)

To the extent it's been studied, it is assumed there are no real increased in velocity over the course of MLB history. None.

When modern radar guns show all these pitchers throwing over 100 now, they're not really throwing harder than guys like Walter Johnson and Lefty Grove threw in the teens and 20s.

The Babe faced the same fastballs and curves, with dirtier baseballs coming at him. The biggest difference of course, is the number of pitches any pitcher threw in a game, so modern pitchers do throw harder MORE OFTEN in a game.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 08, 2023 12:49 PM (iIP+9)

281 >>I have GOT to stop clicking on Kamala Harris videos. I lose twenty brain cells every time.

Starting to wonder if the coke in the WH was hers. . .

Posted by: Lizzy at July 08, 2023 12:49 PM (avru5)

282 Does this ever happen?
an army clearing landmines, etc, that it had deployed?

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There is a supposedly good Danish movie, This Land of Mine, about German POWs being forced to clear mines.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at July 08, 2023 12:49 PM (FVME7)

283 We are sending them because we apparently have sent everything else, and it isn't enough

Could we standardize Ukrainians on .40S&W rounds? The Department of Education and IRS SWAT teams have tens of millions of rounds they shouldn't have.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at July 08, 2023 12:49 PM (p8A+W)

284 277 Droolin' Joe's official explanation for sending cluster bombs is that the Ukrainians are running out of other types of artillery ammunition, and we are apparently no longer capable of resupplying them.

And Raytheon is recalling their Stinger engineers from retirement (Carter era design) since the contractor stopped manufacturing them twenty years ago, and their current crop of AA engineers can't read blueprints.

CEO says the first batch will be ready to ship in 30 months from date of order. The Manhattan project was done in that time.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at July 08, 2023 12:47 PM (p8A+W)

Problem is much of the electronics from that era are obsolete, so engineers have to use modern equivalents. Depending on how complex a design is, that's equivalent to a brand new design, and with all the testing that's required, much time is needed.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 08, 2023 12:49 PM (ynpvh)

285 Harris and Brown might have two brain cells between them.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 08, 2023 12:49 PM (M0kF8)

286 Kamala is stunningly dense. She doesn't even seem to realize that her convoluted b.s. doesn't communicate anything.

I wonder what her IQ is.
Posted by: Miley, okravangelist

Maybe there's something to the "The coke was the VP's" theory that the WH is pushing.

Posted by: LASue at July 08, 2023 12:49 PM (Ed8Zd)

287 1) Why would I do that?

Good point. You are willing to fight this war to the last Ukrainian.

Good one.
*rolls eyes*

It is a hell of a position to be advancing on prepared positions behind a Hail Mary suppression of trenches and minefields. ...

And yet one they're willing to take because they want their country back.

This is away from the main point, we apparently are sending munitions that the administration considered tantamount to war crimes to be used because they tend to kill a lot of non combatants.

Again, the war crime is intentional targeting of civilians, which the Russians are most definitely doing.

Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2023 12:50 PM (eOEVl)

288 If (if) we are arming Ukrainian aircraft with cluster bombs we are also modifying those aircraft to carry and deploy them. The Ukrainian Air Force, what's left of it, flies Russian built and designed MiG-29's and Sukhoi Su-24's (among some other helicopters and jets.) Those alleged F-16's we / NATO were going to send aren't even in theater yet.

So... the Ukrainian planes have to be modified, or the munitions do in order to be carried by Russian build planes.

Our involvement in all that, if it comes to fruition, is troubling. Like war crime troubling.

But, fuck it. Miss Lindsey is making bank, so it's all good.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 08, 2023 12:50 PM (Q4IgG)

289 I will never understand people who pick a side in this Ukraine War thing as if there is a good side and a bad side.

The only good guys are the civilians caught in the struggle between world powers, not governments and armies. Both sides are bad, both sides are doing awful things, both sides are lying, and we're pouring billions, BILLIONS into one side to prop it up and test weapons and throw money at defense contractors, and for what?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 08, 2023 12:50 PM (0hOvj)

290 Yep. This is not the big win conservatives think it is.

Colleges: We won’t accept Juwan because he’s black. We’ll accept Juwan because he has to overcome racism. See, totally not affirmative action.
Posted by: Montec at July 08, 2023 12:22 PM

Even better, it rewards BIPOC persons to see and document oppression everywhere, the better to show their strength in overcoming it!

Posted by: SJW Commissar at July 08, 2023 12:50 PM (JCZqz)

291 Starting to wonder if the coke in the WH was hers. . .

Her staff, they are the ones that need heavy drugs.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at July 08, 2023 12:50 PM (p8A+W)

292 The Ukrainians have already lost their country to the Globalists.

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at July 08, 2023 12:50 PM (vHIgi)

293 You didn't even read the Human Rights Watch article about the Ukrainians deliberately firing cluster bombs into civilian areas, did you?
Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at July 08, 2023 12:42 PM (2tUFv)

But they are doing it precisely.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 08, 2023 12:51 PM (aD39U)

294 Kamala is stunningly dense. She doesn't even seem to realize that her convoluted b.s. doesn't communicate anything.

I wonder what her IQ is.
Posted by: Miley, okravangelist

She kneels to conquer.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at July 08, 2023 12:51 PM (FVME7)

295 it was easier for the old timers to throw harder cuz the climate was cooler

Posted by: REDACTED at July 08, 2023 12:52 PM (us2H3)

296 I doubt that Babe Ruth had to try to hit a Randy Johnson fastball.

No he just had to hit Walter Johnson fastballs.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 08, 2023 12:52 PM (0hOvj)

297 Again, the war crime is intentional targeting of civilians, which the Russians are most definitely doing.

That is why you shouldn't just do War whenever one gets bored. War is Hell. It should be miserable. Otherwise its a f'd up chess game between psychopaths.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at July 08, 2023 12:52 PM (p8A+W)

298 It absolutely does. There are various methods, some more dangerous than others. A guy with a metal detector and spools of tape is one. Alternatively, there are much more advanced methods involving GPS and towed arrays of detectors such as SQUID magnetometers. I'd choose b).
Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2023 12:42 PM (eOEVl)

Or you can do it like they do in Cambodia, don't go into the woods and if you hear an explosion hope it was a cow instead of one of the groups of armed bandits. In Vietnam they have ordinance teams and they are pretty blase about mines and munitions. Still lose people and animals.

Winning at any cost has a cost. Who pays it?

Posted by: Kindltot at July 08, 2023 12:53 PM (xhaym)

299 291 Starting to wonder if the coke in the WH was hers. . .

Didn't you hear.. The latest from the WH is that it could be Construction workers...

Posted by: It's me donna at July 08, 2023 12:53 PM (bs+z0)

300 I have always been fond of the cluster munitions that look just like yo-yos and beanie babies.

Posted by: Itimerant Alley Butcher at July 08, 2023 12:53 PM (ga8qR)

301 Those Raytheon engineers might not be able to read blue prints but are up to date on their diversity training.

Running out of munitions? Well 20 years of LIC and barely keeping up with expenditures before becoming Ukraine's munitions supplier will do that.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 08, 2023 12:53 PM (M0kF8)

302 Colleges: We won’t accept Juwan because he’s black. We’ll accept Juwan because he has to overcome racism. See, totally not affirmative action.

They'll try all kinds of stunts like that, just like the DC government constantly violating the 2nd amendment and being slapped down by courts over and over and over.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 08, 2023 12:53 PM (0hOvj)

303 >>I have GOT to stop clicking on Kamala Harris videos. I lose twenty brain cells every time.

Starting to wonder if the coke in the WH was hers. . .

Posted by: Lizzy at July 08, 2023 12:49 PM (avru5)

Well, she parks her car right outside...

Don't worry about the brain cells, as long as your neurons are OK.

Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at July 08, 2023 12:53 PM (Mzdiz)

304 "...reported that black babies with black doctors had a 99.6% survival rate, while those with white doctors had a 99.56% survival rate"

someone (somewhere) the other day mentioned that there are more whites that become specialists. So if a baby had problems, it was more likely to be seeing a (white) specialist doctor ... and those babies are more likely to die.

Kinda makes sense.

Posted by: illiniwek at July 08, 2023 12:54 PM (Cus5s)

305 297 Again, the war crime is intentional targeting of civilians, which the Russians are most definitely doing.

That is why you shouldn't just do War whenever one gets bored. War is Hell. It should be miserable. Otherwise its a f'd up chess game between psychopaths.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at July 08, 2023 12:52 PM (p8A+W)

https://youtu.be/QvtD4aHfB6Y

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 08, 2023 12:54 PM (ynpvh)

306 But they are doing it precisely.

Amusing. Obviously "precise" depends on your field of reference, but if the precision of a JDAM is 10', and the spread is 100 meters over a trench line, for that purpose, it's very precise.

Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2023 12:54 PM (eOEVl)

307 Starting to wonder if the coke in the WH was hers. . .
Posted by: Lizzy at July 08, 2023 12:49 PM (avru5)

I must admit, if the cocaine baggie manages to take out both Alzheimer Joe and Cackling Cummala, I will stand up and slow clap Susan Rice and ValJar.

That would be some glorious cocaine right there.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 08, 2023 12:54 PM (iIP+9)

308 I'm old enough to remember when Israel was condemned for war crimes for targeting civilians as well. By attacking fortified positions that palestinians stuck civilians in for photo ops.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 08, 2023 12:54 PM (0hOvj)

309 The only good guys are the civilians caught in the struggle between world powers, not governments and armies. Both sides are bad, both sides are doing awful things, both sides are lying, and we're pouring billions, BILLIONS into one side to prop it up and test weapons and throw money at defense contractors, and for what?

A few days ago someone posed a thread question: What movie changed your mind on a serious matter?

"Backstabbing for Beginners" really opened my eyes to see how large a population of grifters there are in the world who require wars and everything around wars in order to make large money. They don't care about the dead, the destroyed and the misery. They sleep at night by counting their money.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at July 08, 2023 12:55 PM (p8A+W)

310 Ukraine is at the point of that infamous battle cry:

STEINER WILL COME!

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at July 08, 2023 12:55 PM (BdMk6)

311 Or you can do it like they do in Cambodia, don't go into the woods and if you hear an explosion hope it was a cow instead of one of the groups of armed bandits. In Vietnam they have ordinance teams and they are pretty blase about mines and munitions. Still lose people and animals.

Winning at any cost has a cost. Who pays it?

Perhaps you should ask the people in whose country they'll be used. They seem to want them.

Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2023 12:55 PM (eOEVl)

312 Otherwise its a f'd up chess game between psychopaths.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at July 08, 2023 12:52 PM (p8A+W)

Well, that would be an accurate sum up of U.S. foreign policy for the last 20+ years.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 08, 2023 12:55 PM (iIP+9)

313 A Provocative Parade Of Perverts!
=====

By the Perfumed Princes of the Pentagon.

Posted by: mustbequantum at July 08, 2023 12:56 PM (MIKMs)

314 I saw a fun argument that the coke belongs to Joey Fingers, because it peps you up a while then crashes you, just like he behaves in public speaking engagements.

But no, we all know its Hunter's. They are probably all on a big grab bag of Halloween treat pharmaceuticals, but Hunter is dumb and sloppy enough to leave his behind.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 08, 2023 12:56 PM (0hOvj)

315 I'm old enough to remember when Israel was condemned for war crimes for targeting civilians as well. By attacking fortified positions that palestinians stuck civilians in for photo ops.

It used to be a war crime to use hollow point ammunition against the enemy.

Yet every single cop in the FUSA is loaded with nothing but hollow points - and it ain't for target practice.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at July 08, 2023 12:56 PM (p8A+W)

316 The pedo intent has always been baked into the leftist culture. Same for libertarians.
Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons

Lots of assumptions there. Wrong ones.

Posted by: Kindltot at July 08, 2023 12:57 PM (xhaym)

317 "For high risk Black newborns, having a Black physician more than doubles the likelihood that the baby will live, and not die,"

Black vs. none? I believe it.

Posted by: SFGoth at July 08, 2023 12:57 PM (KAi1n)

318 Jumanji probably has a lower IQ than Prissy and is a helluva lot uglier

but just as big a liar

Posted by: REDACTED at July 08, 2023 12:57 PM (us2H3)

319 Colleges: We won’t accept Juwan because he’s black. We’ll accept Juwan because he has to overcome racism. See, totally not affirmative action.

They'll try all kinds of stunts like that, just like the DC government constantly violating the 2nd amendment and being slapped down by courts over and over and over.

I'm expecting a big push from academia for people with extremely curly hair who don't easily burn at the beach. But it's not AA.

Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2023 12:57 PM (eOEVl)

320 >>The pedo intent has always been baked into the leftist culture. Same for libertarians.

Yes.

Exhibit A: BAMN (By Any Means Necessary) founders also NAMBLA members/supporters
https://tinyurl.com/f3bp3v8u

BAMN’s parent organization worked directly with the North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) in the years just before it founded BAMN, according to NAMBLA documents reviewed by The Daily Caller. In addition, a member of that parent organization said to have founded BAMN is an admitted member of NAMBLA, which she has described as the victim of a “witch-hunt.” . . .

“The Revolutionary Workers League is a Trotskyist organization of which I’m a member,” Luke Massie, one of BAMN’s founders told the Michigan Daily in 2001.
NAMBLA’s November-December 1991 bulletin, reviewed by TheDC, described at one of its conferences the “participation of Revolutionary Workers League, a Trotskyite group centered in the Detroit area. RWL is supportive of gay rights in general and NAMBLA in particular.” The journal contained details of the organization’s conferences and activities, as well as detailed, erotic stories about naked young boys.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 08, 2023 12:57 PM (avru5)

321 I saw a fun argument that the coke belongs to Joey Fingers, because it peps you up a while then crashes you, just like he behaves in public speaking engagements.

Biden was coked up like Scarface in his debate with Paul Ryan.

Old habits die hard.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at July 08, 2023 12:58 PM (p8A+W)

322 305 297 Again, the war crime is intentional targeting of civilians, which the Russians are most definitely doing.

The Ukrainians have been doing that to their civilian population for years... In the areas that were primarily Russian Citizens who wanted to retain that

Posted by: It's me donna at July 08, 2023 12:58 PM (bs+z0)

323 LibTarded Dissent into Madness ...

Posted by: Marooned at July 08, 2023 12:58 PM (kt8QE)

324 >>Please. That's just idiotic.

Really? If Russia ran a coup in Canada and replaced a pro-western government with one that is more favorable to Russia would be occupying Canada?

Posted by: JackStraw at July 08, 2023 12:58 PM (ZLI7S)

325 Clarifying what Joe is sending - 155mm cluster munition artillery shells, not air-dropped cluster bombs (yet). The dual-purpose designation is because the "bomblets" can hurt personnel and tanks.

>>What type of cluster bomb is the US said to be giving to Ukraine?

The US has a stockpile of cluster munitions known as DPICMs, or dual-purpose improved conventional munitions, that it no longer uses after phasing them out in 2016.

According to an article on the US Army’s eArmor website, the DPICMs Washington will give to Kyiv are fired from 155mm howitzers, with each canister carrying 88 bomblets. Each bomblet has a lethal range of about 10 square meters, so a single canister can cover an area up to 30,000 square meters (about 7.5 acres), depending upon the height it releases the bomblets.

The bomblets in a DPICM have shaped charges that, when striking a tank or armored vehicle, “create a metallic jet that perforates metallic armor,” the article says, adding that it can take 10 or more bomblets to destroy an armored vehicle, but it may take only one to disable the armored vehicle’s weapons or render it immobile

Posted by: Gref at July 08, 2023 12:59 PM (AMIL/)

326 They don't care about the dead, the destroyed and the misery. They sleep at night by counting their money.

Oh, but the arms dealers like the guy Nick Cage played in a movie are the bad guys. They sell a few thousand guns, Rayethon sells millions. Its like that old saw about how many people you kill determining what people think of you.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 08, 2023 12:59 PM (0hOvj)

327 Funny speculating about what movies they watch in the White House.

https://tinyurl.com/abk6jc8c

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at July 08, 2023 12:59 PM (FVME7)

328 Posted by: Gref at July 08, 2023 12:59 PM (AMIL/)

We shouldn't be sending them anything.. It's not Our war

Posted by: It's me donna at July 08, 2023 01:00 PM (bs+z0)

329 No he just had to hit Walter Johnson fastballs.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 08, 2023 12:52 PM (0hOvj)

I'm not sure I have this right, but I think that movie, Fastball, concluded Bob Feller's pitch was the fastest ever tested, on the basis of trying to back-engineer the tests that had been done.

It might have been Johnson's, I don't remember what the movie concluded, one or other of them had their fastball compared to speeding motorcycles, whereas modern radar guns measure the velocity of balls just after they're released from the arm of the pitcher, not averaged over the distance between the mound and home plate.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 08, 2023 01:01 PM (/LElr)

330 "For high risk Black newborns, having a Black physician more than doubles the likelihood that the baby will live, and not die,"

Can we unpackage that statement?

Are they saying that skin color determines how good a physician is?

Or are they saying that white physicians don't put their back into it when it comes to saving black babies

Or is it that white doctors get the most challenging "high risk" newborns?

Posted by: Reuben Hick at July 08, 2023 01:01 PM (p8A+W)

331 328 Posted by: Gref at July 08, 2023 12:59 PM (AMIL/)

We shouldn't be sending them anything.. It's not Our war

Posted by: It's me donna at July 08, 2023 01:00 PM (bs+z0)

I agree

Posted by: Gref at July 08, 2023 01:01 PM (AMIL/)

332 Oh - and the black doctors will be held to significantly lower standards than the white and Asian doctors.
Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts!

Worked for me! I got away with serial murder!

Until I started an opioid business on the side.

Posted by: K. Gosnell at July 08, 2023 01:02 PM (DgGvY)

333 My prediction, barring a coup in Russia, Ukraine is going to lose the majority Russian oblasts east of bend in the Dnieper, but only after suffering immense casualties and grifting a several more hundreds of billions of dollars from our treasury.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) lays down his marker at July 08, 2023 01:02 PM (aD39U)

334 >> "For high risk Black newborns, having a Black physician more than doubles the likelihood that the baby will live, and not die,"

Planned Parenthood.

I don't know the race of PP abortionists, but if she wants to engage in real talk about black baby survival rates then she needs to address PP, which has intentionally placed clinics black neighborhoods with baby-killing sold to them (and young women of all races) as reproductive "freedom."

*I suppose this is why she specified "newborns" and not "babies, which some could interpret to include babies in the womb."

Posted by: Lizzy at July 08, 2023 01:03 PM (avru5)

335 "For high risk Black newborns, having a Black physician more than doubles the likelihood that the baby will live, and not die,"

I would like to see a breakdown on those "high risk" newborns as to urban vs rural. I lay odds that rural births get rural doctors and rural hospitals and staff. The color of the skin is just a demographic anomaly.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at July 08, 2023 01:04 PM (p8A+W)

336 I thought all the black wimmens have a big ol’ black mammy midwife who be doing all the baby delivering.

You know like in “Roots”.

The things I learn here.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 08, 2023 01:04 PM (R/m4+)

337 The United States has been occupying "their" country for several years now.

One could argue the Russians are merely trying to take it back.

That's a much more accurate assessment than that the Russians are occupying someone else's country.

Please. That's just idiotic.

Really? If Russia ran a coup in Canada and replaced a pro-western government with one that is more favorable to Russia would be occupying Canada?

If we're occupying Ukraine, why are the Ukes fighting the Russians, IN UKRAINE.

If memory serves, Cuba, Nicaragua, Venezuela, and others have far left, if not outright communist governments that hate us. We haven't replaced their governments.

If the argument is that Ukraine posed a threat to Russia, that's just silly. They had a much smaller, and much less well-equipped military than Russia's.

If the argument is that NATO is the threat, I seem to recall many, MANY calls on this here site to get out of NATO because it was a joke, and none of the other participants had a serious military, Germany especially.

Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2023 01:04 PM (eOEVl)

338 My prediction, barring a coup in Russia, Ukraine is going to lose the majority Russian oblasts east of bend in the Dnieper, but only after suffering immense casualties and grifting a several more hundreds of billions of dollars from our treasury.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) lays down his marker at July 08, 2023 01:02 PM (aD39U)

Mine is that in addition to this, Lvov will be flying a red and white flag as a buyoff to Poland.

Posted by: Kindltot at July 08, 2023 01:05 PM (xhaym)

339 since the Uke war makes no sense

it's obvious that there is a multi level blackmail operation in place

Posted by: REDACTED at July 08, 2023 01:06 PM (us2H3)

340 From my perspective, to qualify for a war crime, something has to be REALLY heinous, not just "your bomb hit an apartment building" but "you lined up people and shot them with bees just for laughs" kind of evil. War is necessarily filled with awful deeds and reprehensible acts. Just the idea that you murder your fellow man for wearing the wrong uniform is morally awful. War is evil, its just sometimes a lesser evil than the other options.

Because the very nature of war is immoral acts and atrocities, it necessarily has to be a far worse deed in the midst of war to qualify for War Crime, in my opinion.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 08, 2023 01:06 PM (0hOvj)

341 Really? If Russia ran a coup in Canada and replaced a pro-western government with one that is more favorable to Russia would be occupying Canada?
Posted by: JackStraw at July 08, 2023 12:58 PM (ZLI7S)

You'd also have to factor in, if Canada had decided most of New England was really theirs, and the War of 1812 set the borders in the wrong place, so really, they're just protecting their homeland by occupying it. And claiming a bunch of English speaking New Englanders are really just Canuckians after all.

Not a perfect analogy, but close enough.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 08, 2023 01:06 PM (0SQhl)

342 329 Saw the stats on Rapid Robert, with the motorcycle and radar stats and it looks like Feller was achieving 106 at times. Bucking hay on the farm builds strong muscles!

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at July 08, 2023 01:08 PM (rLD7a)

343 From my perspective, to qualify for a war crime, something has to be REALLY heinous, not just "your bomb hit an apartment building" but "you lined up people and shot them with bees just for laughs" kind of evil.

Bees?

Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2023 01:08 PM (eOEVl)

344 You'd also have to factor in, if Canada had decided most of New England was really theirs, and the War of 1812 set the borders in the wrong place, so really, they're just protecting their homeland by occupying it. And claiming a bunch of English speaking New Englanders are really just Canuckians after all.

But, only if it was like 1825, so very recent changes.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 08, 2023 01:08 PM (0hOvj)

345 And claiming a bunch of English speaking New Englanders are really just Canuckians after all.

**

It would explain a lot though

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at July 08, 2023 01:08 PM (vHIgi)

346 Really? If Russia ran a coup in Canada and replaced a pro-western government with one that is more favorable to Russia would be occupying Canada?

HAH! Trick Question!

Canada is an anti-western / pro-Communist China government!

Posted by: Reuben Hick at July 08, 2023 01:08 PM (p8A+W)

347 The American Dream is alive and well!

It took exactly one generation to go from sniffing dander from white girls head hair to sniffing cocaine from Ukrainian prostitutes genital cavities!

I predict Hunter Biden to be the first Chairman of the Solar System!

Posted by: Dr. Bone at July 08, 2023 01:08 PM (KVGVf)

348 NOT THE BEES!!

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 08, 2023 01:08 PM (aD39U)

349 If the argument is that NATO is the threat, I seem to recall many, MANY calls on this here site to get out of NATO because it was a joke, and none of the other participants had a serious military, Germany especially.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2023 01:04 PM (eOE

And that hasn't changed. But the fact is NATO still exists. It's like us allowing Mexico to become part of the Warsaw Pact back in the day.

Posted by: polynikes at July 08, 2023 01:09 PM (FO8S3)

350 348 NOT THE BEES!!

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 08, 2023 01:08 PM (aD39U)

https://youtu.be/BOFz1ZkXE9o

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 08, 2023 01:09 PM (ynpvh)

351 From my perspective, to qualify for a war crime, something has to be REALLY heinous, not just "your bomb hit an apartment building" but "you lined up people and shot them with bees just for laughs" kind of evil.

How about releasing a chimera, and when that didn't provide a high enough body count, they follow up with a mandatory "vaccine" that will kill and maim hundreds of millions?

Posted by: Reuben Hick at July 08, 2023 01:10 PM (p8A+W)

352 If the argument is that NATO is the threat, I seem to recall many, MANY calls on this here site to get out of NATO because it was a joke, and none of the other participants had a serious military, Germany especially.

How about the UN while we are at it?

Posted by: Reuben Hick at July 08, 2023 01:11 PM (p8A+W)

353 My prediction, barring a coup in Russia, Ukraine is going to lose the majority Russian oblasts east of bend in the Dnieper, but only after suffering immense casualties and grifting a several more hundreds of billions of dollars from our treasury.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) lays down his marker at July 08, 2023 01:02 PM (aD39U)

It's the only realistic conclusion. Ukraine is not going to kick the Russians out. They just aren't. And the U.S. population will NOT support sending enough American men in to make the difference.

And if the Russians ARE at risk of losing this thing, the chances of nooks being fired goes up exponentially.

That's what American foreign policy is pushing, possible nukular exchanges, because we are NOT going to win this war.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 08, 2023 01:11 PM (0SQhl)

354 351 From my perspective, to qualify for a war crime, something has to be REALLY heinous, not just "your bomb hit an apartment building" but "you lined up people and shot them with bees just for laughs" kind of evil.

How about releasing a chimera, and when that didn't provide a high enough body count, they follow up with a mandatory "vaccine" that will kill and maim hundreds of millions?

Posted by: Reuben Hick at July 08, 2023 01:10 PM (p8A+W)

Crime Against Humanity.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 08, 2023 01:11 PM (ynpvh)

355 PSA from PSA

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Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 08, 2023 01:11 PM (aD39U)

356 346 Russian coup in Vermont. Nah, happened a long time ago.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at July 08, 2023 01:12 PM (rLD7a)

357 ARchimideds, why do you think we are in Ukraine? US troops are there. We are supporting them. We are giving them intel, we are paying their government pensions at the moment, what do we stand to achieve there? Wave the flag and bleed red white and blue, but why in your opinion are we there? Is it worth the security state we live under, the inflation and the taxes?

What did we achieve in Argentina, Bolivia, Chile, Cuba, Dominican Republic, Guatemala, Hait (multiple times), Nicaragua, and Panama for that matter? What did we achieve in Colombia over 40 years of involvement besides really good coke in the White House today?

Posted by: Kindltot at July 08, 2023 01:12 PM (xhaym)

358 Gardening NOOD.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 08, 2023 01:12 PM (ynpvh)

359 It's like us allowing Mexico to become part of the Warsaw Pact back in the day.

Again, there is zero equivalence between NATO and Warsaw Pact. That's like comparing the International Organization of Oddfellows with the Mafia, because both are organizations.

And again, Russia responding to a nation wanting to join an organization ostensibly to protect them from Russian invasion BY INVADING is top notch irony.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 08, 2023 01:12 PM (0hOvj)

360 Because the very nature of war is immoral acts and atrocities, it necessarily has to be a far worse deed in the midst of war to qualify for War Crime, in my opinion.

I beg to differ.

It should be a war crime when your leadership doesn't fight to win.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at July 08, 2023 01:13 PM (p8A+W)

361 Walter Johnson is right!

Posted by: Olsen Johnson at July 08, 2023 01:13 PM (63Dwl)

362 Saw the stats on Rapid Robert, with the motorcycle and radar stats and it looks like Feller was achieving 106 at times. Bucking hay on the farm builds strong muscles!
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at July 08, 2023 01:08 PM (rLD7a)

I wasn't sure if the motorcycle test was him or Johnson. I know they tried to measure Johnson's fastball, I don't remember how, and even then I think that was relatively late in his career.

I believe there are guys who faced both who said Johnson threw harder.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 08, 2023 01:14 PM (0SQhl)

363 You'd also have to factor in, if Canada had decided most of New England was really theirs, and the War of 1812 set the borders in the wrong place, so really, they're just protecting their homeland by occupying it. And claiming a bunch of English speaking New Englanders are really just Canuckians after all.

Not a perfect analogy, but close enough.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 08, 2023 01:06 PM (0SQhl)

Hmmm. Interesting. I'll have to think about this one. It would have eliminated many problems.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at July 08, 2023 01:16 PM (BdMk6)

364 "We have always been there for your women and children. My word as a Biden."

- The Biden Legacy

Posted by: Dr. Bone at July 08, 2023 01:16 PM (KVGVf)

365 Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 08, 2023 01:12 PM (0hOvj)

No not again. It was and is the same concept as NATO.

Posted by: polynikes at July 08, 2023 01:17 PM (FO8S3)

366 That's what American foreign policy is pushing, possible nukular exchanges, because we are NOT going to win this war.

When did Congress declare war on Russia?

And why does Ukraine get all of the benefits of NATO membership without any of the responsibilities?

Posted by: Reuben Hick at July 08, 2023 01:17 PM (p8A+W)

367 356 346 Russian coup in Vermont. Nah, happened a long time ago.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at July 08, 2023 01:12 PM (rLD7a)

I do enjoy a good dig at New England, but if I'm being completely serious, I really don't understand people from that region. At all.

It doesn't seem like we are fellow countrymen. It really doesn't. Same with Californicans, but since I moved from the midwest to the west, I do feel a real kinship with the locals with whom I interact these days. Including, interestingly enough, a lot of the Mexicans and Native Americans.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 08, 2023 01:18 PM (0SQhl)

368 ARchimideds, why do you think we are in Ukraine? US troops are there. We are supporting them.

From what I see, there are anywhere from zero to 97 American troops in Ukraine. That doesn't fill me with confidence that there are any there, and if there are, how many.

However, assuming they're there, it's probably as trainers. The articles I've read say Special Forces, but don't elaborate, and, as I said, disagree with each other.

I don't think any American military should be in Ukraine, but if they're in adjoining countries, doing training, that's fine with me.

Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2023 01:18 PM (eOEVl)

369 When did Congress declare war on Russia?

And why does Ukraine get all of the benefits of NATO membership without any of the responsibilities?
Posted by: Reuben Hick at July 08, 2023 01:17 PM (p8A+W)

Relevant questions, if we lived in a Constitutional Republic.

But we don't.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 08, 2023 01:19 PM (0SQhl)

370 When did Congress declare war on Russia?

We didn't. When did we attack Russia?

And why does Ukraine get all of the benefits of NATO membership without any of the responsibilities?

They've been begging for NATO membership since the fall of the Soviet Union. We're the ones who've dragged our feet.

Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2023 01:20 PM (eOEVl)

371 No not again. It was and is the same concept as NATO.

You and I both know that is absolutely, positively ridiculous and false. You sound like a NYT reporter from 1984, or a writer for Pravda.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 08, 2023 01:20 PM (0hOvj)

372 Relevant questions, if we lived in a Constitutional Republic.

But we don't.

I'm warming up to call whatever kakistocracy we are living in "Leviathan".

Posted by: Reuben Hick at July 08, 2023 01:20 PM (p8A+W)

373 However, assuming they're there, it's probably as trainers.

Vietnam has entered the chat

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 08, 2023 01:21 PM (0hOvj)

374 I don't think any American military should be in Ukraine, but if they're in adjoining countries, doing training, that's fine with me.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2023 01:18 PM (eOEVl)

So your answer is, it is only a few troops and it is cool with you.

Now answer, what are we getting from the billions of dollars we are pouring into Ukraine, the international ill will, and our enhanced security state, inflation and taxes at home?

Posted by: Kindltot at July 08, 2023 01:22 PM (xhaym)

375 Ukraine should not be in NATO as they cannot contribute to the common defense. I felt, and still feel, the same way about the Baltic States. If Belarus attached Poland, none of them are going to be any help.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 08, 2023 01:23 PM (aD39U)

376 Completely OT: I'm listening to an Audible book called It Burns.
It's about the super hot chili pepper industry-production and those strange people who eat them competently.
What possess someone to deliberately eat something that causes intense pain at both ends, can burn linings of the throat, stomach and bowels and cause vomiting and heart palpation.
Oh they do cause a mild high.
The human race is weird.

Posted by: That Northernlurker what lurkd at July 08, 2023 01:23 PM (aCNZ6)

377 However, assuming they're there, it's probably as trainers.

Vietnam has entered the chat
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 08, 2023 01:21 PM (0hOvj)

Heh.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at July 08, 2023 01:24 PM (BdMk6)

378 The liberal opinions are all about empathy and feelings. Nothing rational or law related whatsoever.

Posted by: Smell the Glove at July 08, 2023 01:24 PM (PVx3i)

379 We didn't. When did we attack Russia?

When did Iraq attack? Afghanistan? Nicaragua? Syria?

The FUSA doesn't need a provocation, Congress can declare by fiat that destroying another country is somehow in our nation's interest and thus proceed.

Though they do like to use the fig leaves of treaties and "humanitarian intervention".

They've been begging for NATO membership since the fall of the Soviet Union. We're the ones who've dragged our feet.

And for good reason. Many Ukrainians have loyalties to mother Russia - talk about security breeches. Furthermore, Ukraine is about the flakiest partner to have in that they are pragmatic as to their allegiances. If the West looks strong, they lean West, if another nation looks better they move over to them.

My question is why is Turkey in NATO?

Posted by: Reuben Hick at July 08, 2023 01:25 PM (p8A+W)

380 Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 08, 2023 01:20 PM (0hOvj)

Just because one side is 'bad' and the other side is not doesn't make the structure of an alliance organization different and subject to different standards of provocation. You have zero understanding how the Russians think.

Posted by: polynikes at July 08, 2023 01:25 PM (FO8S3)

381 Ukraine should not be in NATO as they cannot contribute to the common defense.

With our materiel support, they seem to be doing a damn fine job of holding back the Russians and attriting their military. I'd much rather the Ukes be doing it than us.

Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2023 01:26 PM (eOEVl)

382 Now answer, what are we getting from the billions of dollars we are pouring into Ukraine, the international ill will, and our enhanced security state, inflation and taxes at home?
Posted by: Kindltot at July 08, 2023 01:22 PM (xhaym)

If one starts with the assumption that several politicians of both parties and many Deep Staters in DC are puppets of the Chinese Communist Party, the answer starts to seem obvious.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 08, 2023 01:27 PM (0SQhl)

383 We didn't. When did we attack Russia?

When did Iraq attack? Afghanistan? Nicaragua? Syria?

Goalpost, moved.

They've been begging for NATO membership since the fall of the Soviet Union. We're the ones who've dragged our feet.

And for good reason. Many Ukrainians have loyalties to mother Russia - talk about security breeches. Furthermore, Ukraine is about the flakiest partner to have in that they are pragmatic as to their allegiances. If the West looks strong, they lean West, if another nation looks better they move over to them.

My question is why is Turkey in NATO?

Damn, dude. At least keep them in the same state.

Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2023 01:27 PM (eOEVl)

384 With our materiel support, they seem to be doing a damn fine job of holding back the Russians and attriting their military. I'd much rather the Ukes be doing it than us.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2023 01:26 PM (eOEVl)

Indeed as noted above, you are willing to fight to the last Ukrainian.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 08, 2023 01:27 PM (aD39U)

385 My question is why is Turkey in NATO?

I agree. I mean, why does NATO exist at ALL at this point is still a question but why Turkey of all places???

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 08, 2023 01:28 PM (0hOvj)

386 My question is why is Turkey in NATO?
Posted by: Reuben Hick at July 08, 2023 01:25 PM (p8A+W)

The US wanted to hold the Bosporus. Forward arifields were also a good idea.

Posted by: Kindltot at July 08, 2023 01:28 PM (xhaym)

387 what are we getting from the billions of dollars we are pouring into Ukraine

The heightened threat of a nuclear exchange. That's about all I can think of and it ain't good.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at July 08, 2023 01:29 PM (Xrfse)

388 >>>What possess someone to deliberately eat something that causes intense pain at both ends, can burn linings of the throat, stomach and bowels and cause vomiting and heart palpation.
Oh they do cause a mild high.
The human race is weird.

Posted by: That Northernlurker what lurkd

>I cayenne not deny, I also dress up my sexy hot dogs in a scotch bonnet.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at July 08, 2023 01:30 PM (KVGVf)

389 379 ....

My question is why is Turkey in NATO?

Posted by: Reuben Hick at July 08, 2023 01:25 PM (p8A+W)

Turkey has been in NATO since 1952.
https://is.gd/pAqRkG
When we wanted to move nuke missles into Turkey in the late 50's/early 60's, the Soviets weren't too happy about it.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 08, 2023 01:30 PM (ynpvh)

390 If the West looks strong, they lean West, if another nation looks better they move over to them.

Like who? They've been trying to break free from the Russians for centuries. They thought the Nazis would help them do that, but they were wrong.

They wanted to break free from the Ottomans, Mongols, Lithuanians, Poles, and Austrians at various times. They live in a rough neighborhood, but that doesn't make them bad people.

Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2023 01:30 PM (eOEVl)

391 I agree. I mean, why does NATO exist at ALL at this point is still a question

That one is easy. The FUSA subsidizes NATO nations so that European nations can direct tax dollars to social programs rather than their own security.

Also, the MIC loves it for all of the obvious reasons, and the State Department loves it for all of the treachery that comes along with being Big Brother to NATO.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at July 08, 2023 01:30 PM (p8A+W)

392 That one is easy. The FUSA subsidizes NATO nations so that European nations can direct tax dollars to social programs rather than their own security.

Yup. I can see why the Russians are terrified.

Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2023 01:31 PM (eOEVl)

393 Now answer, what are we getting from the billions of dollars we are pouring into Ukraine, the international ill will, and our enhanced security state, inflation and taxes at home?
Posted by: Kindltot at July 08, 2023 01:22 PM (xhaym)

If one starts with the assumption that several politicians of both parties and many Deep Staters in DC are puppets of the Chinese Communist Party, the answer starts to seem obvious.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 08, 2023 01:27 PM (0SQhl)

Also an excellent point.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at July 08, 2023 01:31 PM (BdMk6)

394 When we wanted to move nuke missles into Turkey in the late 50's/early 60's, the Soviets weren't too happy about it.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 08, 2023 01:30 PM (ynpvh)M

The Cuban Missile Crisis enters the chat.

Posted by: polynikes at July 08, 2023 01:32 PM (FO8S3)

395 You have zero understanding how the Russians think.

I understand them fine, what you're struggling with is how communists behave and how a tyranny works. Soviets did not create the Warsaw Pact as a defensive network, they created it as a method of spreading their communism. You know how I know this? BECAUSE THAT'S WHY THEY DID EVERYTHING. Communism was a religion to the Soviet, it was their entire worldview, constantly monitored and tested to ensure allegiance.

What you're missing here is the cold war mentality, either due to ignorance or forgetfulness.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 08, 2023 01:32 PM (0hOvj)

396 But no, we all know its Hunter's. They are probably all on a big grab bag of Halloween treat pharmaceuticals, but Hunter is dumb and sloppy enough to leave his behind.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 08, 2023 12:56 PM (0hOvj)

Apparently he leaves things behind all of the time. Crack pipes, laptops etc. He's easily distracted.

Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at July 08, 2023 01:32 PM (Mzdiz)

397 393 Now answer, what are we getting from the billions of dollars we are pouring into Ukraine, the international ill will, and our enhanced security state, inflation and taxes at home?
Posted by: Kindltot at July 08, 2023 01:22 PM (xhaym)

If one starts with the assumption that several politicians of both parties and many Deep Staters in DC are puppets of the Chinese Communist Party, the answer starts to seem obvious.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 08, 2023 01:27 PM (0SQhl)

Also an excellent point.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at July 08, 2023 01:31 PM (BdMk6)

One technique used during the Warring Period of Chinese history (and used in many other places) is to wait for two enemies to beat the living shit out of each other, then go in with your army and take them over.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 08, 2023 01:33 PM (ynpvh)

398 The FUSA subsidizes NATO nations so that European nations can direct tax dollars to social programs rather than their own security.

Essentially, yes. Its a gigantic welfare program allowing European governments to run vast socialist programs with money they would otherwise use for defense.

Which, at the time, probably felt wise, because every time Europeans got lots of money into their defense, they got into a war. And the wars were getting bigger and worse every time.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 08, 2023 01:34 PM (0hOvj)

399 So what's worse: Communist/mafioso Putin or fascistic Zelenski?

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at July 08, 2023 01:35 PM (BdMk6)

400 NATO existed to keep the Russians out, the Americans in, and the German's down.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 08, 2023 01:35 PM (aD39U)

401
They wanted to break free from the Ottomans, Mongols, Lithuanians, Poles, and Austrians at various times. They live in a rough neighborhood, but that doesn't make them bad people.

Now you are moving goal posts.

My assertion is that they are not at all reliable partners, particularly when it comes to big things like war.

Heck, they are robbing the West blind. I doubt much of the donated hardware is getting there, rather its being passed around to the highest bidders around the globe. ( I have no first hand knowledge of this, only semi-reliable reports)

Notice that Ukraine loves Russian hardware even when they could have bought Western. Now why is that?

Posted by: Reuben Hick at July 08, 2023 01:35 PM (p8A+W)

402 With our materiel support, they seem to be doing a damn fine job of holding back the Russians and attriting their military. I'd much rather the Ukes be doing it than us.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2023 01:26 PM (eOEVl)

Eventually that nail will wear away the hammer.

Ukraine spent months focusing on one city, and the Russians built their lines elsewhere. They lost the city and now they are facing deep Russian lines. They tried their counter offensive which barely reached the Russian lines. This is the reason they want the cluster munitions, because they can't advance against the lines as they are now. If the Ukrainians are losing one troop to two Russians, it is not sustainable. This is nothing like the ratio that is being reported, it is much worse.

This is not success, this is not a damned fine job of holding back the Russians. It is not winning a war of attrition with troops, economy or weapons.

Posted by: Kindltot at July 08, 2023 01:36 PM (xhaym)

403 God Bless the Lower 48!

Suck it, Alaska and Hawaii!

Posted by: Dr. Bone at July 08, 2023 01:36 PM (KVGVf)

404 Which, at the time, probably felt wise, because every time Europeans got lots of money into their defense, they got into a war. And the wars were getting bigger and worse every time.

Can't blame human nature in Europe. Leviathan does the same thing here. Ergo, endless wars.

That is why I don't understand why Trump poured lavish amounts of money on the military yet didn't expand into new wars and new conflicts like his predecessors and successors have reliably done.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at July 08, 2023 01:37 PM (p8A+W)

405 You infants are getting fractious.
The democrats are going to win, and you are not going to stand up and take the blame -- again. And you will piss, and moan, and blame Satan, while you backbite.

You hate each other. And you're boring about it.

Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at July 08, 2023 01:38 PM (4PZHB)

406 There is only one positive I can think of from this war: it will probably make the Russians more hesitant to pull another one of their cutesy "wearing no national badges" occupation moves that they do every time a Democrat is president.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 08, 2023 01:38 PM (0hOvj)

407 With our materiel support, they seem to be doing a damn fine job of holding back the Russians and attriting their military. I'd much rather the Ukes be doing it than us.

Yes. You have identified the Sweet Spot in FUSA MIC diplomacy. The usual grifters and robber barons make their grift without the unsightly body bags passing through Andrews Air Force Base.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at July 08, 2023 01:41 PM (p8A+W)

408 And you're boring about it.

Nobody's holding you hostage here. You're free to leave anytime.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at July 08, 2023 01:41 PM (Xrfse)

409 Notice that Ukraine loves Russian hardware even when they could have bought Western. Now why is that?

Are you serious? They bought Soviet when they had no choice because Russia ruled them, and now that they do have a choice, they are opting exclusively for Western arms.

They tried their counter offensive which barely reached the Russian lines. This is the reason they want the cluster munitions, because they can't advance against the lines as they are now. If the Ukrainians are losing one troop to two Russians, it is not sustainable. This is nothing like the ratio that is being reported, it is much worse.

I agree that they want CMs so they can advance with fewer casualties. Who wouldn't?

This is not success, this is not a damned fine job of holding back the Russians. It is not winning a war of attrition with troops, economy or weapons.

When Russia first invaded, the universal expectation was that Ukraine would fall within a few days. Now, the Russians are pulling 50s-era tanks out of storage, have had a mass conscription and may have another, and had a mass mutiny by their best outfit. If that's failure, give me more.

Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2023 01:42 PM (eOEVl)

410 They wanted to break free from the Ottomans, Mongols, Lithuanians, Poles, and Austrians at various times. They live in a rough neighborhood, but that doesn't make them bad people.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2023 01:30 PM (eOEVl)

Tell me about the Kurds, now.
Posted by: Kindltot at July 08, 2023 01:38 PM (xhaym)

Posted by: Kindltot at July 08, 2023 01:43 PM (xhaym)

411 There is only one positive I can think of from this war: it will probably make the Russians more hesitant to pull another one of their cutesy "wearing no national badges" occupation moves that they do every time a Democrat is president.

That is precisely what's happening. The era of the little green men is over, at least for now.

Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2023 01:43 PM (eOEVl)

412 There is only one positive I can think of from this war: it will probably make the Russians more hesitant to pull another one of their cutesy "wearing no national badges" occupation moves that they do every time a Democrat is president.
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Remarkably, when a Democrat is president, anything 'occupied' or 'disputed' is usually ceded without question. Putin is probably irritated that he didn't get Ukraine just like he got Crimea.

Posted by: mustbequantum at July 08, 2023 01:45 PM (MIKMs)

413 Nonetheless, only one country invaded another and slaughtered its population in large numbers.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2023 12:32 PM (eOEVl)

And that's bad, uh huh

Posted by: K Harris at July 08, 2023 01:46 PM (kOpft)

414 Ukraine will be as ungrateful, backstabbing and undermining to our interests as every other NATO member.

Posted by: Regular joe at July 08, 2023 01:47 PM (nnp+f)

415 Ukraine will be as ungrateful, backstabbing and undermining to our interests as every other NATO member.
Posted by: Regular joe at July 08, 2023 01:47 PM (nnp+f)

with the added bonus of being militarily useless.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 08, 2023 01:49 PM (aD39U)

416 Ukraine will be as ungrateful, backstabbing and undermining to our interests as every other NATO member.
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But it will provide lots of opportunities for the parasites favored by DC to grift, and that's what matters.

Posted by: Methos at July 08, 2023 01:50 PM (kOpft)

417 Nonetheless, only one country invaded another and slaughtered its population in large numbers.

Yeah, the good way to overthrow a country is to subvert its elections and install a puppet representing a hostile occupying force.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at July 08, 2023 01:50 PM (p8A+W)

418 When Russia first invaded, the universal expectation was that Ukraine would fall within a few days. Now, the Russians are pulling 50s-era tanks out of storage, have had a mass conscription and may have another, and had a mass mutiny by their best outfit. If that's failure, give me more.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2023 01:42 PM (eOEVl)

The Russians out produce NATO manufacturers of artillery shells and are using them at greater rates than the Ukrainians, and have some pretty useful long range missiles one of which they used on the UKR intellegence building. They are claiming to be meeting enlistment goals without expanding conscription. The 50's tanks appear to be doing better than the German Puma tanks and the French ACPs. That could be because the Russians aren't aggressng against prepared lines, but that is also a major factor.
Ukraine is losing men, material, and using barely trained conscripts on the front line. They are doing it on our dime.
This is a meat grinder. How much blood will make you say "enough"

Posted by: Kindltot at July 08, 2023 01:52 PM (xhaym)

419 Putin is probably irritated that he didn't get Ukraine just like he got Crimea.

Putin is a fool. He knew he could grab anything he wanted while the FUSA was bogged down in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Once Leviathan solidified and turned over governance of Afghanistan to the Taliban, Putin should have recognized that his window of opportunity was closed.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at July 08, 2023 01:53 PM (p8A+W)

420 How much blood will make you say "enough"

I usually aim for a couple of million gallons.

Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2023 01:53 PM (eOEVl)

421 If that's failure, give me more.

From your lips to God's ears.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at July 08, 2023 01:54 PM (p8A+W)

422 My favorite reason Harvard discriminates against Asians is that they lack personality.

Posted by: Regular joe at July 08, 2023 01:56 PM (nnp+f)

423 I usually aim for a couple of million gallons.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2023 01:53 PM (eOEVl)

How are you different from Putin, then?

Posted by: Kindltot at July 08, 2023 01:56 PM (xhaym)

424 173: people do not understand that I was the first casualty of the war.

Posted by: The Truth at July 08, 2023 01:57 PM (FbcWf)

425 How are you different from Putin, then?

I'm much, much poorer.

Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2023 01:59 PM (eOEVl)

426 My view is Ukraine is another oligarchy

Posted by: Skip at July 08, 2023 02:03 PM (xhxe8)

427 " black babies with black doctors had a 99.6% survival rate, while those with white doctors had a 99.56% survival rate."

Statistically, this is more probative that there's no difference. Not, "no meaningful difference."

Posted by: Ignoramus at July 08, 2023 02:04 PM (RqMSv)

428 "My favorite reason Harvard discriminates against Asians is that they lack personality."

For some, especially Our Betters, Asians are pesky social climbers. Can't have that.

Posted by: Ignoramus at July 08, 2023 02:05 PM (RqMSv)

429 @419

More like, with Afghanistan over, they needed a new war to keep the spice flowing.

Posted by: Ignoramus at July 08, 2023 02:07 PM (RqMSv)

430 I'm much, much poorer.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2023 01:59 PM (eOEVl)

If you look at someone you call a depraved murdering monster, and the only difference you can find between yourself and him is that you haven't profited as much as he has, you might want to think on that.

I know you are just being flip to avoid the argument and still not concede the point, but you started claiming this was an essential fight and morally defensible. The benefits to this war are not yours, and the costs are.

Posted by: Kindltot at July 08, 2023 02:09 PM (xhaym)

431 "My favorite reason Harvard discriminates against Asians is that they lack personality."

**

So effin polite and modest

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at July 08, 2023 02:14 PM (vHIgi)

432 America! Engaging in tribal atrocities for over 250 years!

Posted by: Dr. Bone at July 08, 2023 02:15 PM (KVGVf)

433 "[...] and kill the people that need killing [...]"

So, the cluster bombs will kill Ukes, Ruskies, *and* the US citizens who think the US should be involved in this? A wonder weapon indeed!

Posted by: Richard Cranium at July 08, 2023 02:22 PM (BjD9m)

434 Yeah, the good way to overthrow a country is to subvert its elections and install a puppet representing a hostile occupying force.
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Works for us!

Posted by: China at July 08, 2023 02:43 PM (kOpft)

435 Not only was the woman brave, but airplanes hadn't been around all that long really. She seemed to be pretty too.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 08, 2023 02:44 PM (Keyt1)

436 My favorite reason Harvard discriminates against Asians is that they lack personality.

Racist much, Harvard?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 08, 2023 02:47 PM (Keyt1)

437 Just to return to the 1926 video of the woman replacing the wheel on the biplane - even if that was a stunt, it was still a very dangerous stunt and she was exceptionally good in performing it without a hitch. And losing a wheel while flying could result in a catastrophic crash, especially if you did not notice that the wheel had fallen off, which they sometimes did. In 1929, Charles Lindbergh took his new fiancé, Anne Morrow, for a plane flight for a private picnic. Taking off after the picnic, he noticed one of the plane wheels rolling along the ground. After taking what precautions he could, including flying around for several hours to empty the gas tank and reduce the chance of an explosion, he landed the plane on one wheel but could not prevent it from flipping over. Anne climbed out perfectly fine, but Lindy dislocated his shoulder. Other flyers of the time were not so lucky. One other thing about the video, which other commenters have noted, is that she was not wearing a parachute - most stunts back then were performed without them, even though they were available, but one slip could have been fatal,.

Posted by: Retired, thank God! at July 08, 2023 02:54 PM (7PBDP)

438 Not only was the woman brave, but airplanes hadn't been around all that long really. She seemed to be pretty too.
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Yeah, assuming the clip is genuinely vintage (I assume it would be part of a silent film that could be identified if someone searched enough), it's a ballsy stunt, because even with some kind of harness we can't see (I assume it isn't actually there), she's pretty screwed if she slips and is left dangling from a win on the side of the plane that's missing a wheel.

My question, in the age of AI everything is if that clip is at all real, which is why I wonder about the cameras. Either the whole thing is fake, or she did that stunt a couple of times to get footage from the damaged plane.

Posted by: China at July 08, 2023 02:55 PM (kOpft)

439 Off, master of DC politicians!

Posted by: Methos at July 08, 2023 02:57 PM (kOpft)

440 Posted by: Retired, thank God! at July 08, 2023 02:54 PM (7PBDP)

Thanks for the interesting insights. Are you a retired pilot?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 08, 2023 02:59 PM (Keyt1)

441 Posted by: China at July 08, 2023 02:55 PM (kOpft)

Yep; Doing that a couple of times seems pretty ballsy or would some call that in crummy progressive vernacular - considering she's a woman, "front holesy"?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 08, 2023 03:02 PM (Keyt1)

442 Yep; Doing that a couple of times seems pretty ballsy or would some call that in crummy progressive vernacular - considering she's a woman, "front holesy"?
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Bonus Holesy

Posted by: Methos at July 08, 2023 03:04 PM (kOpft)

443 Posted by: Methos at July 08, 2023 03:04 PM (kOpft)

Yes; That's the awful term.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 08, 2023 03:10 PM (Keyt1)

444 Thank you for the Tuba Skinny video!

I remember a Lefty in the 70s, visiting the college I was attending. He had a cluster bomb and was explaining how awful we were for using them in Vietnam. But okay for the Ukes now, I guess.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at July 08, 2023 03:11 PM (ouTlx)

445 The problem with Asians: they give the lie to the assertion that minorities cannot succeed in America.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 08, 2023 03:35 PM (YqDXo)

446 369: since when does military action require Congress engage in the diplomatic act of declaring war?

Posted by: Thomas Jefferson at July 08, 2023 03:48 PM (FbcWf)

447 No offence to the John Deere classic, fine mid-american values and all that, but the ladies US Open on a competing channel? Eye candy and Pebble Beach?
Easy choice.

Posted by: From about that Time at July 08, 2023 03:59 PM (4780s)

448 Hi Fenelon. No, not a retired pilot, just retired military and a little bit of a history buff.

Posted by: Retired, thank God! at July 08, 2023 06:48 PM (7PBDP)

449 No one goes there anymore. It's too crowded.

Posted by: Ignoramus at July 08, 2023 08:21 PM (RqMSv)

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