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Trump-Backing Super PAC "MAGA, Inc." Files Scammy Ethnics Complaint Against Ron DeSantis, Seeks to Have Him Removed from "Any Future Florida Ballot" (That Is, any Presidential Primary or General Election Ballot)

Well I don't like covering these stories at all. I don't like being cross-wise with half of the readership.

I also can't just pretend that this hasn't happened.

I know when I post negatively about some things that some readers report, my tone is read (and maybe is) scoldy, as if I'm trying to shame people for something someone else entirely did.

I don't mean to do that and I want to underscore I do not mean it here. Even if I don't like Trump's tactics, obviously, no one here could change Trump's behavior even if they wanted to. Trump does what Trump does, period.

Also, everyone here supported Trump in the past, so we've all collectively overlooked or even justified his, um, pugnaciousness. So if Trump supporters want to keep overlooking this, I can't blame them -- I've overlooked some Trump stuff I really didn't like, and, in the less-than-50% chance he becomes the nominee again, I'll go back to overlooking his bad behavior again, too.

But I'm getting really tired of overlooking it. One of the greatest draws of Trump was, for me, this exhilarating realization that I was now allowed to stop defending all of Bush's failures.

I didn't have to lie anymore. I could just say, "Yeah, that guy failed at most of what he tried and he also 'succeeded' in doing things I didn't want done, and I'm sick of having to defend his ass and I won't do it any longer."

But I'm right at the same place now with Trump. And I see DeSantis as a similar chance to say, "Yeah Trump shut the country down and never finished the wall and no his call to Ukraine wasn't 'perfect' and I don't think he reads his briefings or ever really knows what he's talking about and I'm tired of defending him."

I know people are sticking with him -- "the devil you know," one commenter said, plus his unambiguously successful first 3 1/2 years of his presidency (only stumbling due to an unprecedented pandemic created by the country he was warning everyone about for years, which was somehow... his fault?), plus wanting to support a guy who has been absolutely ill-treated and persecuted by an Oligarchy reasserting its Right to Rule and right to destroy anyone who threatens that Right to Rule.

But I am really tired of defending him, now that he has a successor that embraces Trumpism but without all the Trump baggage, and would like to stop doing that. I know opinions vary.

I just don't think he can win, and the eternal response -- "Well no one can win!" -- is not persuasive. If no one can win, what do you care who we nominate to lose? Trump supporters sure act as if winning an election is a possibility.

Anyway, all that preamble aside:


MAGA, Inc. isn't "affiliated with any candidate," so this isn't necessarily done at Trump's direction.

On the other hand, I don't hear him disavowing the Obama-like tactic of attempting to get his opponents taken off the ballot.

I don't see any evidence for the allegations here that DeSantis is using taxpayer money for personal travel. This complaint just asserts that, and then demands that DeSantis be disqualified from running against Trump.

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DeSantis knocked the scammy filing as "frivolous."


Ron hits back at Don's 'frivolous' investigation demand: DeSantis' office slams Trump PAC's 'politically-motivated' and inappropriate accusation he is already running a 'shadow campaign' for president

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis' office hit back Wednesday at a Trump-aligned PAC that wants the Florida Commission on Ethics to investigate DeSantis

DeSantis's comms director called the complaint 'frivolous' and said it was 'inappropriate' to use the Ethics Commission this way

A 15-page complaint from MAGA, Inc. claims DeSantis has launched a 'shadow presidential campaign' and is breaking Florida law

I don't understand where MAGA, Inc. is getting the idea that you're not allowed to make moves that will set up a presidential run before you've actually declared a presidential run. That is done in literally every presidential run. Trump declared early just to scare the field into not running against him, which obviously did not work.

So now MAGA, Inc. has decided that everyone has to declare early like Trump did, just because.


By Nikki Schwab, Senior U.S. Political Reporter For Dailymail.com

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis's office on Wednesday hit back at a Trump-aligned political action committee for filing a complaint with the Florida Commission on Ethics charging that DeSantis was running a 'shadow presidential campaign.'

'Adding this to the list of frivolous and politically motivated attacks. It's inappropriate to use state ethics complaints for partisan purposes,' DeSantis' Communications Director Taryn Fenske told DailyMail.com in a statement.

A 15-page complaint from MAGA, Inc. claims DeSantis has launched a 'shadow presidential campaign' and is using it to amass 'signficant personal wealth and political capital.'

Taylor Budowich, the head of MAGA, Inc., argued to Glenton Gilzean Jr., the chair of the Florida Commission, and a DeSantis appointee, that there is 'strong evidence' that DeSantis has engaged in 'illegal conduct.'

DeSantis, the complaint argued, is making moves associated with getting a presidential campaign off the ground, such as hiring staffers and meeting with key figures in early primary states, but is doing so 'at the expense of Florida taxpayers.'

Budowich argued that DeSantis is using his book tour as a guise for a presidential campaign and is receiving 'gifts' associated with it, including hotel rooms, speaking venues and food.

'Should the Commission find that a violation occurred, it should impose penalties that include removing Governor DeSantis from office and disqualifying him from any future ballot in the State of Florida,' a press release from MAGA Inc. said.

I know, I know: "politics is a contact sport," and DeSantis "started this" by launching attacks on Trump through his "globalist backers," "attacks" which no one can ever quote or cite. They just assert that they're happening. Somewhere.

I think what they mean is that if anyone praises DeSantis, or if DeSantis just rises in popularity without taking any negative shots at Trump at all, that's still a "betrayal" to Trump, and that is therefore an "attack."

I don't get all this "betrayal" nonsense. Trump is a transactional guy himself, but demands others treat him with loyalty. He gets to act transactionally, but we have to all act non-transactionally towards him.

I don't know if this "politics is a contact sport" line is going to hold true for both Trump and DeSantis -- if DeSantis points out that maybe Trump wouldn't be so distracted if he hadn't directed his sleazy fixer Michael Cohen to pay a porn star not to talk about an affair they had in 2006, would that be a case of politics being a contact sport, or would that be an Unforgivable Attack on a Fellow Republican Which is Automatically Disqualifying?

I think the latter, of course.


Trump indictment over Stormy Daniels payments is 'more probable' - but he can win: Lawyer who's cleared Natalee Holloway suspect and accused cop killers and A-Rod insists ex-President committed 'no crime'

Trump lawyer Joe Tacopina said he holds hope that 'justice will prevail'

He defended Trump's statement denying knowledge of $130k 'hush' payments

Tacopina called it 'not a lie' since there was a non-disclosure agreement

By Geoff Earle, Deputy U.S. Political Editor For Dailymail.com


Donald Trump's lawyer Joseph Tacopina called a potential indictment of the former president 'more probable' -- after defending Trump's claim not to have knowledge of hush payments to Stormy Daniels as 'not a lie.'

...

Trump continues to deny having a sexual encounter with Daniels, a former porn star, as she alleges happened back in 2006.

In a Tuesday interview with NewsNation host Dan Abrams, Tacopina was pressed on the $130,000 payment executed by Cohen.

Here's why that's not a lie,' said Tacopina. 'Because it was a confidential settlement. So, if he acknowledged that, he would be violating the confidential settlement. So, is it the truth? Of course, it's not the truth. Was he supposed to tell the truth? He would be in violation of the agreement if he told the truth.'

The confidentiality agreement that he purchased required that he lie, so it's not a lie.

Okay but the whole point of the NDA was to prevent people from speaking, about what is, I'm pretty sure, the truth.

I don't think Trump should be prosecuted for this but... hey, if one side is going to support scammy charges, shouldn't both sides support them? After all, "politics is a contact sport." "We're not playing bean-bag." Choose your favorite "all is fair in politics" cliche, but then apply it equally to all parties.

I'm also, again, growing less inclined to defend Trump, given that he himself is always making nasty attacks, and trying to put other people in the same trouble he's in.

A new poll shows Trump up 46% to 32% over DeSantis among Republicans, improving on the last reading of Trump 42% DeSantis 36%, but then again, Trump is still only drawing less than half of the party despite being a very well known commodity and having 100%+ name recognition, while DeSantis is already in striking distance despite not having announced yet -- Meatball Ron is still running this apparently-illegal "Shadow Campaign" -- and despite many people not knowing who he is.

If Trump is acting a little bit worried about DeSantis -- he should be. He's not imagining things.

I think part of the justification for Trump supporters' demand that no one be allowed to criticize Trump is their idea that Trump is almost inevitable, so anything that damages him -- even a strong primary challenge conducted fairly and positively -- i just hurting the ultimate Republican candidate.

But I don't think Trump is the most likely Republican candidate. I think DeSantis is. I think the fact that DeSantis is already competitive with Trump despite not even announcing his bid indicates that he's actually the favorite in the race.

So if we're talking about disallowing attacks on the likely eventual Republican nominee -- then Trumpworld must stop its attacks on DeSantis.


DeSantis' fellow Freedom Caucus member Chip Roy became the first congressman to endorse Meatball Ron, even though he's running an unprecedented Shadow Campaign where he makes moves to run for president before actually announcing he's running for president.

A co-conspirator in Meatball Ron's crimes!


GOP Rep. Chip Roy, of Texas, has endorsed Florida Governor Ron DeSantis for the 2024 presidential race, even though DeSantis has not yet announced he's running.

Roy sent out a fundraising email Wednesday noting his early support for DeSantis and wrote that when Republicans choose their nominee, "it's time for younger, but proven, leadership to offer America eight solid years of transformational change."

"It's time for Ron DeSantis to be President of the United States," wrote Roy. He praised DeSantis' rejection of COVID vaccine mandates in Florida, his plane flight of migrants from Texas to Martha's Vineyard and the substantial election victories scored by DeSantis and Florida Republicans in the midterm elections last year.

While DeSantis is not in the 2024 presidential race yet, he has started to build his political infrastructure. And in recent weeks he's also traveled to promote his new book and his "Freedom Blueprint" in Iowa and Nevada, two early presidential primary states. He's also scheduled to headline a Republican Party dinner in New Hampshire in April.

Crimes! Crimes! Crimes! Disqualify him! Remove him from every ballot!

This pisses me off because Trump and Trumpworld knows this is what the left is trying to do to Trump -- beat him through legal machinations and abuse of the courts, instead of facing him in an election.

And yet, MAGA, Inc. decides to do the same thing to DeSantis. Maybe on the conspiracy theory that "Ron DeSantis' globalist backers put the Soros DA Alvin Bragg up to prosecuting Trump." Who knows what horseshit will be fabricated to justify all this.


It makes me a lot less willing to press for Trump's case. If "politics is a contact sport," then let's start trading hits. Including the low ones.


I really suspect that Trump is ultimately behind this, because this kind of trashcan stuff is extremely popular with Trump's Twitter agitators -- who are almost certainly being paid by Trump.

That doesn't apply to anyone here. It's a couple dozen low-rent "influencers."

Maybe DeSantis has started counterpunching against Trump.

He doesn't name Trump here -- he attacks Fauci and Birx.

But say, who was it who followed Fauci's and Birx's advice, and kept them in their jobs...?

Via David Strom, a DeSantis backer, who points out that Trump didn't just passively let these guys impose lockdowns.

He actually took credit for them:

Actually Sweden did better in preventing deaths than the US, which is the whole point, isn't it?

This is interesting: Sweden did have more covid deaths than their fellow Scandavian countries, which locked down. But their overall mortality, the "excess deaths" they saw during the covid years, the deaths beyond the anticipated historical/actuarial average -- were... incredibly low.

Unlike in nations like the US, which let serious non-covid conditions fester, delaying doctor's appointments, treatments, etc. And just making people miserable and sick, psychologically and physically, which of course has dire effects on mortality.

Is it fair for DeSantis to bring up Trump's advisors Fauci and Birx? Well, politics is a contact sport, I keep hearing, and even if it weren't, bad policy choices are always fair game for critique.

As I've said, I forgive Trump for buckling to the Safetycrats on covid. It was an unprecedented situation, he was under incredible pressure, and the "experts" were uniform in their demands... and uniform in their error.

Still, while some errors can be excused, they can never actually be praised. DeSantis got this right. Yes, as Trump says, he did order a shutdown of the beaches for two weeks... Based on Trump's advisors' demands, and Trump's own demands. Trump criticized Georgia governor Brian Kemp for opening some bars and restaurants and gyms -- "I just think it's too soon" -- the week before "Shutdown Ron" gave his brief shutdown order.

But Meatball Ron saw his mistake quickly, and corrected.

And Meatball Ron was under the same intense pressure as Trump. Even worse pressure, because Meatball Ron was defying "the experts," while Trump was echoing them.



Posted by: Ace at 04:03 PM




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1 1st

Posted by: GF at March 17, 2023 04:03 PM (aJxr8)

2 I always liked that Trump fights.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at March 17, 2023 04:03 PM (JMAcK)

3 2nd, too?

Posted by: GF at March 17, 2023 04:03 PM (aJxr8)

4 I suppose that's to be expected he'd fight both primary opponents and others the same way, though I'd wish he wouldn't.

I can't fault him for doing the very thing that made me vote for him.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at March 17, 2023 04:04 PM (JMAcK)

5 Holy crap, that's a long movie review.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at March 17, 2023 04:05 PM (JMAcK)

6 Curious:

How often do candidates denounce anything their aligned, but separated, Super PACs do?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at March 17, 2023 04:05 PM (LvTSG)

7 En fuego!

Posted by: That Guy who shouts "En fuego!" at March 17, 2023 04:05 PM (8btn6)

8 I commented the other day it was a scuzzy move that inclines me NOT to vote for Trump in the primary.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at March 17, 2023 04:05 PM (ynpvh)

9 I can't even.

I'm moving to Fance.

Marine LePen! Eric Zemmour!

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at March 17, 2023 04:06 PM (lf83v)

10 I also can't just pretend that this hasn't happened.

Neither can the press and the Democrats, which is how you get this tactic outlawed.

Posted by: t-bird at March 17, 2023 04:06 PM (CaJIi)

11 "I don't like being cross-wise with half of the readership."

Tell it like it is ace. That's all we ask.

Posted by: fd at March 17, 2023 04:06 PM (iayUP)

12 It's sad that people haven't learned to stop defending politicians. They hire attorneys and public relations to do that for them. People fail to understand that neither Trump nor DeSantis are going to save us from the problems that are coming. Anything else is juvenile fighting over your boyfriends' dick sizes.

Posted by: Dr. Titanium Whitey, JD at March 17, 2023 04:06 PM (48oWz)

13 When ethnics complain, trouble always follows.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at March 17, 2023 04:06 PM (Wl6Ns)

14 Damn, this is a girthy post.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at March 17, 2023 04:06 PM (Xrfse)

15 MAGA Inc. Doing the work so Dems don't have to.

Posted by: Napoleon XIV at March 17, 2023 04:07 PM (AiZBA)

16 So 1/700,000ths of what he'll face in D.C. when he's not surrounded by friendlies on staff.

Your move, Ron.

Posted by: Remember when BBC reported WTC7 had fallen due to fire 20 minutes before it collapsed? at March 17, 2023 04:07 PM (yK9py)

17 This pisses me off because Trump and Trumpworld knows this is what the left is trying to do to Trump -- beat him through legal machinations and abuse of the courts, instead of facing him in an election.
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I'd much rather he direct those machinations outward rather than inward.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 17, 2023 04:08 PM (t0OGg)

18 Don't think this strategy will work, but then I thought for sure Biden would lose.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at March 17, 2023 04:09 PM (Bd6X8)

19 Shadow campaign might just be the ticket! democrats are already letting your shadow vote in many states.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at March 17, 2023 04:09 PM (Y5qcH)

20 We should totally argue over which guy loses to the Democrats!

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 17, 2023 04:09 PM (0hOvj)

21 Trump needs to NOT behave like a tw@.

Posted by: Marooned at March 17, 2023 04:10 PM (kt8QE)

22 >>>5 Holy crap, that's a long movie review.

So I wanted to jam all Trump/DeSantis stuff into one post, to keep the fight in one place.

Actually, there's a huge post about DeSantis I won't be posting today, but will hold until monday, to avoid two posts on the subject on one day.

I thought about adding THAT post to this one but that post is already long. and so is this one, of course.

Posted by: George Costanza after a bad date at March 17, 2023 04:10 PM (BvUNN)

23 >>>Scammy Ethnics Complaint

ETHICS (not Ethnics) prolly

Posted by: m at March 17, 2023 04:10 PM (CQE5S)

24 Ethnics complaint sounds super woke, YMMV

Posted by: Methos at March 17, 2023 04:10 PM (kOpft)

25 One of the things that keeps me coming back to this place is that while my views may sometimes differ with those of Chuy, he always lays out his argument. Agree, or not, that is more than 90% of web pundits are willing to do. Kudos.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at March 17, 2023 04:10 PM (Xrfse)

26 Imagine choosing the side of Jeb!, Rove, and Paul Ryan. Imagine cheering on a "book" tour because an Ivy League lawyer and secret society member wants to build his brand and flout state law.

Resign and run, Ron.

DeSantis is an open establishment stooge and the bankers/deep state "choice' for Republicans.

Posted by: Laslof at March 17, 2023 04:10 PM (TkueX)

27 Still, while some errors can be excused, they can never actually be praised. DeSantis got this right. Yes, as Trump says, he did order a shutdown of the beaches for two weeks... Based on Trump's advisors' demands, and Trump's own demands. Trump criticized Georgia governor Brian Kemp for opening some bars and restaurants and gyms -- "I just think it's too soon" -- the week before "Shutdown Ron" gave his brief shutdown order.
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Trump needs to tread very, very carefully on the COVID stuff, and shouldn't attack *anyone* on it. He's just flat out on the wrong side of it to attack DeSantis for shutting down beaches when he publicly dressed down Kemp for reopening Georgia. He just doesn't have a leg to stand on in this fight, and he shouldn't wage it. If anything, he needs to be prepared for defense on the topic.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 17, 2023 04:11 PM (t0OGg)

28 Can't spell "Skammy" without "Kammy"!

Posted by: m at March 17, 2023 04:11 PM (CQE5S)

29 >>>How often do candidates denounce anything their aligned, but separated, Super PACs do?

um, let's just say I dispute the notion that this is really separated from trump. i can't prove that, but I do not believe these are "separated."


Posted by: ace at March 17, 2023 04:11 PM (BvUNN)

30 in the less-than-50% chance he becomes the nominee again,

That's an interesting prediction, I think, unless you were being sarcastic?

On the other hand, I don't hear him disavowing the Obama-like tactic of attempting to get his opponents taken off the ballot.

I can see lefties ready to pounce if he does...he's coordinating with his Super PAC illegally!!!!!! Insurrection!!! Killing Democracy!

Posted by: Moron Analyst at March 17, 2023 04:11 PM (JCZqz)

31 George Costanza after a bad date

She didn't know about shrinkage, did she?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 17, 2023 04:11 PM (0hOvj)

32 I gave Ace some breaking news for his piece today. My job is now done.

Okay, maybe I stay a few more minutes before I get back to Church dinner prep...and then go to dinner...

Posted by: Nova Local at March 17, 2023 04:12 PM (exHjb)

33 9 I'm moving to Fance.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at March 17, 2023 04:06 PM (lf83v)

Do you speak Fench?

Posted by: m at March 17, 2023 04:12 PM (CQE5S)

34 Personally I think DeSantis is setting the stage for 2028.

Posted by: polynikes at March 17, 2023 04:13 PM (7HLtt)

35 um, let's just say I dispute the notion that this is really separated from trump. i can't prove that, but I do not believe these are "separated."


Posted by: ace at March 17, 2023 04:11 PM (BvUNN)

But it's against the rules to coordinate with a PAC. PAC's are just motivated citizens exercising their rights and stuff!

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at March 17, 2023 04:13 PM (Y5qcH)

36 Might as well face reality, either Trump is the nominee, or the GOP is finished, much like the whigs.

As it should be. It served its purpose. Controlled opposition for decades while the American people were replaced in their own country.

Posted by: Laslof at March 17, 2023 04:13 PM (TkueX)

37 I think the only reason this is getting the coverage it is because the lefty media finally gets a breather from blue on blue attacks to enjoy some red on red.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at March 17, 2023 04:13 PM (ssESX)

38 24 Ethnics complaint sounds super woke, YMMV
Posted by: Methos at March 17, 2023 04:10 PM (kOpft)

Could be ethnics ethics, yo.

Posted by: m at March 17, 2023 04:13 PM (CQE5S)

39 Trump vs Desantis makes me do my happy dance!



https://tinyurl.com/mrdxjc9h


Posted by: Joe Biden at March 17, 2023 04:13 PM (M3hSG)

40 Trump needs to tread very, very carefully on the COVID stuff, and shouldn't attack *anyone* on it.

I couldn't agree more. The mark of a savvy politician is to move past your mistakes as if they never happened.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at March 17, 2023 04:13 PM (Xrfse)

41 29 >>>How often do candidates denounce anything their aligned, but separated, Super PACs do?

um, let's just say I dispute the notion that this is really separated from trump. i can't prove that, but I do not believe these are "separated."


Posted by: ace at March 17, 2023 04:11 PM (BvUNN)

=======

It's probable that most Super PACs are not actually separated, that they all coordinate with their candidates. At least as I see it.

But, still, when does it ever happen? When a Super PAC puts out an ad too far beyond the pale, and the candidate "not involved" says, "Whoa, dude, that's too much. Tone it down." In public.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at March 17, 2023 04:14 PM (LvTSG)

42 Dumb move by Trump's pac.
IMHO

Posted by: Bosk at March 17, 2023 04:14 PM (ZVuYy)

43 30 in the less-than-50% chance he becomes the nominee again,

That's an interesting prediction, I think, unless you were being sarcastic?

Posted by: Moron Analyst at March 17, 2023 04:11 PM (JCZqz)

I agree with Ace. Trump's odds are not good for the nomination b/c the field is NOT getting flooded, and some of the flood has already announced they are out...Trump needs a very crowded field to win again...

Posted by: Nova Local at March 17, 2023 04:14 PM (exHjb)

44 34 Personally I think DeSantis is setting the stage for 2028.

I would say you're right except there might not be a country left by then.

Posted by: m at March 17, 2023 04:15 PM (CQE5S)

45 Biden will get 100M ballots counted for him in 2024. You know it's coming.

Posted by: dantesed at March 17, 2023 04:15 PM (193FS)

46 This is the bargain you're making if you're now a Trump supporter. You'll get repulsive stupidity in spades. Every reasonable person will be turned off.

Trump burns every thing down, for no purpose other than taking care of his own ego. Be careful what you wish for, friends.

Posted by: hamitchell at March 17, 2023 04:15 PM (kE/nb)

47 I wish I could separate Trump's RESULTS from Trump's buffoonery.

He was great for when we needed him with a list of accomplishments as long as your forearm.

But now it's time for him to exit stage left, and his ego won't let that happen.

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at March 17, 2023 04:15 PM (DhOHl)

48 I find myself completely bipolar on this topic.

The left acts as they do and cements my support of Trump.

And then Trump acts as he does and cements my support of DeSantis.

Right up until the left does another stupid thing to antagonize Don and the MAGA crowd and I'm back to Trump.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at March 17, 2023 04:15 PM (KbCG3)

49 33 9 I'm moving to Fance.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at March 17, 2023 04:06 PM (lf83v)

Do you speak Fench?

Posted by: m at March 17, 2023 04:12 PM (CQE5S)

English is the ligua franca of the world...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at March 17, 2023 04:15 PM (ynpvh)

50 DeSantis should have waited for 2028. His disloyalty, ambition, and greed has shown the activist base who he really is. Jeb! in slightly better packaging. I'll never vote for him and his openly globalist positions.

Posted by: Laslof at March 17, 2023 04:15 PM (TkueX)

51 "I don't like being cross-wise with half of the readership."

Crosswise is best! Scissor me timbers!

Posted by: Megan Rapinoe and Hope Solo, scissoring violently during Hope's "experimental phase" at March 17, 2023 04:16 PM (JCZqz)

52 On the other hand, I don't hear him disavowing the Obama-like tactic of attempting to get his opponents taken off the ballot.

Meh, I don't like it when the Left pushes that non-argument, so I don't think it cuts any ice here. You would have to have prove that Trump knew and he somehow has to respond to every stupid thing that happens in the next 1.4 years within hours of it occurring.

That's not a great standard.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 17, 2023 04:16 PM (jzzG8)

53 45 Biden will get 100M ballots counted for him in 2024. You know it's coming.
Posted by: dantesed at March 17, 2023 04:15 PM (193FS)

He is a husk of a human.

Posted by: m at March 17, 2023 04:16 PM (CQE5S)

54 Yeah stupid move.
Right now Republicans I think don't have a chance with mail voting states

Posted by: Skip at March 17, 2023 04:16 PM (xhxe8)

55 DeSantis is an open establishment stooge and the bankers/deep state "choice' for Republicans.
Posted by: Laslof at March 17, 2023 04:10 PM (TkueX)

Might as well face reality, either Trump is the nominee, or the GOP is finished, much like the whigs.

As it should be. It served its purpose. Controlled opposition for decades while the American people were replaced in their own country.
Posted by: Laslof at March 17, 2023 04:13 PM (TkueX

These threads bring out the brainiacs.


Posted by: polynikes at March 17, 2023 04:16 PM (7HLtt)

56 As I've said, I forgive Trump for buckling to the Safetycrats on covid. It was an unprecedented situation, he was under incredible pressure, and the "experts" were uniform in their demands... and uniform in their error.

I think it's safe to say the 'experts' uniformly lied. The scale of that deceit is pretty mind numbing too, when you stop and assess it. Literally every medical institution, and big Pharma was in on it. They knew the mask mandates were BS. They knew the vaccine was BS and there were health risks associated with it. Instead of pointing fingers and blaming each other, it'd be nice to see RDS and PDTS turn that anger and effort on Fauci and the government.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at March 17, 2023 04:16 PM (+2RzF)

57 Sometimes I read the Babylon Bee and then I read the news and it takes me a while before I realize this isn't satire I should stop laughing.

Posted by: Anti-Faucist at March 17, 2023 04:16 PM (ik/65)

58 Might as well face reality, either Trump is the nominee, or the GOP is finished, much like the whigs

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It's crazy to know that they're choosing this path rather than American prosperity.

But they are. They'd rather auger us into the ground rather than do things to help Americans and America.

The funniest part is thinking back to 2015-2016 or so and remembering people saying that the Democrats were collapsing. Hahaha, turns out that they had 70% of Republicans to make sure they remained solvent.

Posted by: Remember when BBC reported WTC7 had fallen due to fire 20 minutes before it collapsed? at March 17, 2023 04:17 PM (5OcwI)

59 @50

Posted by: Laslof at March 17, 2023 04:15 PM (TkueX)
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R U Serious?

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at March 17, 2023 04:17 PM (ssESX)

60 America is not coming back from this is it?

Posted by: Just sayin at March 17, 2023 04:17 PM (bewti)

61 51 "I don't like being cross-wise with half of the readership."

Crosswise is best! Scissor me timbers!
Posted by: Megan Rapinoe and Hope Solo, scissoring violently during Hope's "experimental phase" at March 17, 2023 04:16 PM (JCZqz)

LOL

Posted by: m at March 17, 2023 04:17 PM (CQE5S)

62
Ace for Attorney General.

Posted by: Auspex at March 17, 2023 04:17 PM (QarLh)

63 Begun the desantis attack wars have.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at March 17, 2023 04:18 PM (ncXxy)

64 I don't mind this being reported at all. Dumbassery should be exposed regardless of whence its origin.
We agreed when DJT won in 2016, the most important thing that came from that was HRC was denied the Presidency as a result. I still think that. Everything else was gravy.
(BTW I strongly suspect that the C19 plague would have been unleashed regardless of who held the office, since it was the key to world domination).

Posted by: gourmand du jour, it wuz pencils! at March 17, 2023 04:18 PM (jTmQV)

65
These threads bring out the brainiacs.


Posted by: polynikes at March 17, 2023 04:16 PM (7HLtt)

And here, I thought they brought out the paid posters...

Posted by: Nova Local at March 17, 2023 04:18 PM (exHjb)

66 >>>Well I don't like covering these stories at all. I don't like being cross-wise with half of the readership.

Yes, there are snowflakes on the right too.

Posted by: Mark1971 at March 17, 2023 04:18 PM (xPl2J)

67 51 "I don't like being cross-wise with half of the readership."

Crosswise is best! Scissor me timbers!

Posted by: Megan Rapinoe and Hope Solo, scissoring violently during Hope's "experimental phase" at March 17, 2023 04:16 PM (JCZqz)

your timbers are lesbian?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at March 17, 2023 04:18 PM (ynpvh)

68 43 I agree with Ace. Trump's odds are not good for the nomination b/c the field is NOT getting flooded, and some of the flood has already announced they are out...Trump needs a very crowded field to win again...
Posted by: Nova Local at March 17, 2023 04:14 PM (exHjb)

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I really don't think he does.

Looking at RCP, Trump consistently is winning by double digits. The numbers are all over the place because polling is problem, but it's between 15 and 30 points, with #2 being DeSantis, who hasn't even announced anything yet.

Trump is running against his only real, potential, competition, and he's working to define that opposition. It's a primary. It's what happens in primaries.

And people act surprised in every primary season that it happens.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at March 17, 2023 04:18 PM (LvTSG)

69 Hey you know what's scummy, running a shadow campaign, ingratitude to the person responsible for you getting elected, running at the behest of Never Trumper forces in a campaign with no rationale.

But whatever, all indications point to Trump being indicted next week, I'm sure the Never Trumpers and No More Trump contingent will be over the moon.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at March 17, 2023 04:18 PM (673Cc)

70 Walks in...Oh, Oh... Backs out

Posted by: It's me donna at March 17, 2023 04:18 PM (bs+z0)

71 Trump is Trump.

Posted by: m at March 17, 2023 04:18 PM (CQE5S)

72 We're just punching each other as we approach the ocean floor.

After we lose in 24, it will be months of BUT THEY CHEATED AGAIN!

Quickly followed by Muh 2026 Red Tsunami.

Posted by: USS Titanic at March 17, 2023 04:19 PM (at4gV)

73 These threads make me laugh, cry, yell, it’s like the ultimate roller coaster. I like Ron, I like Don. I don’t like circular firing squads.

Posted by: Piper at March 17, 2023 04:19 PM (ZdaMQ)

74 I am going to vote for anyone running against the corrupt regime. Was it me or did Ron say for some time he would not run against Pres Trump?
I still feel Trump would be the most effective to reverse the BS we have seen for the last few years.
Revised, don't see myself voting for little nikki.

Posted by: blindbutch at March 17, 2023 04:19 PM (q+hVn)

75 65 These threads bring out the brainiacs.
Posted by: polynikes at March 17, 2023 04:16 PM (7HLtt)

And here, I thought they brought out the paid posters...
Posted by: Nova Local at March 17, 2023 04:18 PM (exHjb)

Paid? Can we get paid?

Posted by: m at March 17, 2023 04:19 PM (CQE5S)

76 Yes, I am serious.

Do you people just ignore Ron and his fawning over the Bush family and Paul Ryan? Or that he was probably Skull and Bones as well? Or that he was specifically chosen and groomed for this, similar to Obama? Recognize the globalist stench.

Posted by: Laslof at March 17, 2023 04:19 PM (TkueX)

77 I don't like being cross-wise with half of the readership.

Ace, your readership isn't a flock of sheep. At least 40% are on the wrong side of the issue (e.g. 9mm). The one possible exception MIGHT be carrots in chili.

The cool part is that that 40% is different on most issues (e.g. that 9mm person could also be a Mary Ann person). Heck, there's even a few chiroptophobes amongst us.

We luv ya, Ace. Keep on keeping on.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 17, 2023 04:20 PM (clDM5)

78 Trump needs to tread very, very carefully on the COVID stuff, and shouldn't attack *anyone* on it. He's just flat out on the wrong side of it to attack DeSantis for shutting down beaches when he publicly dressed down Kemp for reopening Georgia. He just doesn't have a leg to stand on in this fight, and he shouldn't wage it. If anything, he needs to be prepared for defense on the topic.
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Alternatively, he could admit he was wrong to take advice from DC careerists.

Posted by: Methos at March 17, 2023 04:20 PM (kOpft)

79 73 These threads make me laugh, cry, yell, it’s like the ultimate roller coaster. I like Ron, I like Don. I don’t like circular firing squads.

Posted by: Piper at March 17, 2023 04:19 PM (ZdaMQ)

This

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at March 17, 2023 04:20 PM (ynpvh)

80 75 65 These threads bring out the brainiacs.
Posted by: polynikes at March 17, 2023 04:16 PM (7HLtt)

And here, I thought they brought out the paid posters...
Posted by: Nova Local at March 17, 2023 04:18 PM (exHjb)

Paid? Can we get paid?

Posted by: m at March 17, 2023 04:19 PM (CQE5S)

Hobo pelts, but you have to collect and skin them yourselves.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at March 17, 2023 04:20 PM (ynpvh)

81 Somewhere a Democrat is seething because they wanted to file an ethics complaint against DeSantis if he won the primary.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at March 17, 2023 04:20 PM (Bd6X8)

82 The goal of all of this reporting is to incite anger between the two front runners and damage them, so it becomes easier for the democrats to win.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at March 17, 2023 04:20 PM (lTGtQ)

83 MAGA Inc is run by Taylor Budowich (Trump's Director of Comms) and Chris LaCivita (one of Trump's consultants). This isn't close to an arms length transaction. Trump was directly involved.

You want to take your opponent off the field? That's fine, do it at debates and in the primary. Problem is Trump doesn't want to do that. Why is that I wonder?

Posted by: Marcus T at March 17, 2023 04:21 PM (8Voqu)

84 76 Yes, I am serious.

Do you people just ignore Ron and his fawning over the Bush family and Paul Ryan? Or that he was probably Skull and Bones as well? Or that he was specifically chosen and groomed for this, similar to Obama? Recognize the globalist stench.
Posted by: Laslof at March 17, 2023 04:19 PM (TkueX)

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K. I remember when Trump donated money to Bill Clinton. I remember when Trump called Romney's immigration plans immoral.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at March 17, 2023 04:21 PM (LvTSG)

85 Damnit.

I was in such a good mood and I've gotten such very nice mail from the local democrats today. I wonder why?! (No cute pondering emoji attached.) Up to now, they've acted as if they've hated me.

Posted by: Lola - Free Jacob Chansley at March 17, 2023 04:21 PM (GshMh)

86 Second look at El Salvador?

Posted by: USS Titanic at March 17, 2023 04:21 PM (at4gV)

87 I agree completely with Ace. The attack on DeSantis is inappropriate. The Trump organization should be focused entirely on the Democrats. It should not be making attacks on DeSantis.

They are weakening the Republican Party. Gov. DeSantis has done excellent work as Governor of his very large state. He makes intelligent statements and does not attack his potential Republican opponents. DeSantis should be praised by Trump for what he has accomplished.

Posted by: Roland F Hirsch at March 17, 2023 04:21 PM (oMkPq)

88 We get Trump to get DeSantis out of the running, then we get Trump out with totally not bogus legal shenanigans, Milquetoast Mike Pence left standing to run for the R's, meatpuppet Joe for the D's. Winning!

Posted by: Omniparty at March 17, 2023 04:21 PM (fs1hN)

89

What's up with the chick's knee pictures? (Insert TJM catch phrase here)

Posted by: Phil McOxenbauls at March 17, 2023 04:21 PM (3b35n)

90 America was finished when Trump was on the shut down train and continues to be on the vax train.

I have said though that I want Trump to be the nominee because he's better than the Dem alternative and if he's not the nominee we don't have a chance. Too many Trump advocates like Laslof will stay home if he's not the nominee. Like GA.

Posted by: polynikes at March 17, 2023 04:21 PM (7HLtt)

91 Fuck Trump. I voted for him and had high expectations, but came to see him as having no spine for countering what the deep state was doing to ruin him.

His whining and name calling now is puerile, and adds fuel to the left they can use for attack ads. I believe that most Biden voters voted out of hatred for Trump. And that Trump hate had an effect on the mid terms.

Posted by: Mr Gaga at March 17, 2023 04:21 PM (KiBMU)

92 I don't understand where MAGA, Inc. is getting the idea that you're not allowed to make moves that will set up a presidential run before you've actually declared a presidential run. That is done in literally every presidential run. Trump declared early just to scare the field into not running against him, which obviously did not work.


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The FEC rule is you don’t have to report anything to them for exploratory work. However you can’t just say it’s “exploratory work” for everything. The FEC excludes certain actions.

Campaigning (as opposed to testing the waters) is apparent, for example, when:

Raise more money than what is reasonably needed to test the waters or funds to be used after candidacy is established

Conduct activities over a protracted period of time or shortly before the election


The two above are probably the most relevant to DeSantis.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at March 17, 2023 04:21 PM (cMXNt)

93 I really don't think he does.

Looking at RCP, Trump consistently is winning by double digits. The numbers are all over the place because polling is problem, but it's between 15 and 30 points, with #2 being DeSantis, who hasn't even announced anything yet.

Trump is running against his only real, potential, competition, and he's working to define that opposition. It's a primary. It's what happens in primaries.

And people act surprised in every primary season that it happens.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at March 17, 2023 04:18 PM (LvTSG)

Trump's floor is 25% of the vote in the primary...his max is 40%. With only 2 "real" candidates, he can't win. With 3, he has a shot. With 4, he wins.

Right now, there's .5 of a real candidate in the race with him (b/c I don't see Haley as very real). That hurts Trump. If Youngkin and DeSantis join, I give Trump a good shot. But if only one does, they take the vote, unless like 10 state governors all want to go in to chip away from those 2 in each of their states and let Trump grab it with his expected 30%...

Posted by: Nova Local at March 17, 2023 04:22 PM (exHjb)

94 78 Alternatively, he could admit he was wrong to take advice from DC careerists.
Posted by: Methos at March 17, 2023 04:20 PM (kOpft)

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And DeSantis shut down Florida on that same advice.

The only Republican governor who didn't was Kristi Noem, and Kristi Noem sucks.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at March 17, 2023 04:22 PM (LvTSG)

95 74 I understand this to be urban legend.

Posted by: Piper at March 17, 2023 04:22 PM (ZdaMQ)

96
Trump-Backing Super PAC "MAGA, Inc." Files Scammy Ethnics Complaint


Fuck those guys in particular. Fuck them good and hard.

PDJT needs to grasp the concept of "earning" votes and do some deep reflection on how poorly he staffed his WH for his first term. This sort of crap wastes time and demonstrates that he his doing neither thing. It will keep him from succeeding should he be nominated once again.

These a$$holes act like running for public office is exactly like running for HS student council.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at March 17, 2023 04:22 PM (pNxlR)

97 Begun the desantis attack wars have.

I refuse to participate, either way. It's all just hyperbole and there is a long, hard road ahead in the coming months. Focus on what's immediately before you.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at March 17, 2023 04:22 PM (Xrfse)

98 Chip Roy wrote a letter urging republicans not to challenge the certification on Jan. 6th, and also said Trump "committed impeachable acts."

He also defended Liz Cheney voting to impeach Trump, and was proud of Pence cvcuking when he said he would object on Jan. 6. He hasn't done shit for the Jan 6th political prisoners the way Gaetz and MTG have.

Roy is a little bitch who talks tough and looks the part of a tough Texan I tell you what (the Yellowstone meme) but doesn't follow through with anything when his neck is actually on the line. He's a more clever Eyepatch McCain.

Matt Gaetz did more to galvanize a resistance to McCarthy and get concessions than Roy ever did, and that was while he was being crucified in the media for alleged minor sex trafficking.

I love you Ace but I find the comparisons of Trump to Bush to be extremely pathetic and a way for you to try and push a new, weaker angle of shame on Trump and his supporters, it's Baseballcvck levels of ridiculous. Just say you're for Desantis, don't do this half-assed National Review level of prostration of why you don't like Trump. It's one step away from "you know, Ben Shapiro is right, there was no 2020 fraud."

Posted by: UwU_Power at March 17, 2023 04:22 PM (Wd58P)

99 Here's the biggest problem:

DeSantis supporters - "I'm tired of Trump's BS, but I'll still vote for him if gets the nom"

Trump supporters - "If Trump is screwed, I will vote Democrat/ won't vote"

It's a cult.

Posted by: EtcEtcEtc at March 17, 2023 04:22 PM (8s49i)

100 Sundowner is failing fast, but it will be Gruesome or someone but the fake votes will put whoever is running in the winners office..

Posted by: Skip at March 17, 2023 04:22 PM (xhxe8)

101 93 Trump's floor is 25% of the vote in the primary...his max is 40%. With only 2 "real" candidates, he can't win. With 3, he has a shot. With 4, he wins.

Right now, there's .5 of a real candidate in the race with him (b/c I don't see Haley as very real). That hurts Trump. If Youngkin and DeSantis join, I give Trump a good shot. But if only one does, they take the vote, unless like 10 state governors all want to go in to chip away from those 2 in each of their states and let Trump grab it with his expected 30%...
Posted by: Nova Local at March 17, 2023 04:22 PM (exHjb)

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Why do you assume his ceiling is 40? That's a large assumption that I question.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at March 17, 2023 04:22 PM (LvTSG)

102 MAGA Inc. sounds like what happened to the Tea Party movement. They didn't trouble themselves to copyright the name and cucks took the name, started a PAC and destroyed the original intent of the grassroots movement.

And I'll agree with Ace that what Trump and his germophobia did to freedom and prosperity destroyed all of the so-called magic Trump had for me.

I still think, in the long run, Trump nor DeSantis will not be allowed to win the nomination or a general election.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at March 17, 2023 04:23 PM (BdMk6)

103 Meanwhile over at RedState.com, they are literally breathless for President Trump to be indicted as Bronchie has a new hit piece out, suggesting DJT is guilty of something.
Boy oh boy, they just can't wait to take out Trump over there so they can then crown Desantis king!
If Trump is indicted for some bullshit charge, King Desantis's presidential run is as good as over. Tens of millions of Trump voters will stay home and let the GOPe get whats coming to them. I know I won't be voting for the Grift Party ever again.
Oh yeah, FUCK RedState.com!

Posted by: Tracy at March 17, 2023 04:23 PM (aWDI7)

104 44 34 Personally I think DeSantis is setting the stage for 2028. I would say you're right except there might not be a country left by then.
Posted by: m at March 17, 2023 04:15 PM

Meh. We can limp along for another 6 years of managed decline EASY. The bigger question is: if 2020 (and 2024) were/are stolen, what will change to make 2028 different?

50 DeSantis should have waited for 2028. His disloyalty, ambition, and greed has shown the activist base who he really is. Jeb! in slightly better packaging. I'll never vote for him and his openly globalist positions.
Posted by: Laslof at March 17, 2023 04:15 PM

Lol wut? Unlike most Republican politicians, he seems to be becoming more conservative with increased power and time in office, not less. As far as being disloyal? Trump's not in office, and is talking shit, so DeSantis can say what he wants. He's certainly been more careful with his words than Trump.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at March 17, 2023 04:23 PM (JCZqz)

105 What's up with the chick's knee pictures? (Insert TJM catch phrase here)
Posted by: Phil McOxenbauls at March 17, 2023 04:21 PM (3b35n)

Implying she's another Kamala.

Posted by: polynikes at March 17, 2023 04:23 PM (7HLtt)

106 Trump is going to fight Meatball the same way he fights everyone else. I like them both and I'll vote for either one against Biden.

Posted by: Dum-Dum Shitlord at March 17, 2023 04:23 PM (L498I)

107 Trump is being a noisy , unsavory distraction. Also, I don't think that many commenters are still bin the Trump bandwagon. It's just pro Trump ones are super vociferous.

Posted by: runner at March 17, 2023 04:23 PM (EeVCB)

108 99 Here's the biggest problem:

DeSantis supporters - "I'm tired of Trump's BS, but I'll still vote for him if gets the nom"

Trump supporters - "If Trump is screwed, I will vote Democrat/ won't vote"

It's a cult.

Posted by: EtcEtcEtc at March 17, 2023 04:22 PM (8s49i)

I refuse to vote for a Jeb! for president.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at March 17, 2023 04:23 PM (ynpvh)

109 Even if you like Trump, you have to admit he has a terrible history with hires and consultants.

That is not going to change. DeSantis is Trump without the own goals.

Posted by: Josh Brolin's Blistered Taint at March 17, 2023 04:24 PM (HYBfu)

110 Nobody puts PDT in the corner.

Posted by: m at March 17, 2023 04:24 PM (CQE5S)

111 109 Even if you like Trump, you have to admit he has a terrible history with hires and consultants.

That is not going to change. DeSantis is Trump without the own goals.
Posted by: Josh Brolin's Blistered Taint at March 17, 2023 04:24 PM (HYBfu)

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How does DeSantis get true conservatives through the Senate nomination process under a Schumer or McConnell led Senate?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at March 17, 2023 04:24 PM (LvTSG)

112 I like Trump. Hell, I voted for him twice. He did a pretty good job while in office in spite of the constant attacks by the Democrats and the Media, but I repeat myself.

That said, I really wish he would stop these fucking attacks on Governor DeSantis. By every measure DeSantis has done a fantastic job running that State.

What was that Reagan Rule? Thou shall not speak ill of any Republican.

It is beyond stupid doing these attacks on someone who has not even thrown his hat in the ring.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 17, 2023 04:24 PM (WsJuq)

113 Is DeSatan lgoing to take it easy on trump? I doubt it. And who knows? They may end up on the same ballot together and make all of this moot.

Posted by: ... at March 17, 2023 04:24 PM (iCWt+)

114 What's up with the chick's knee pictures? (Insert TJM catch phrase here)
Posted by: Phil McOxenbauls at March 17, 2023 04:21 PM


Not seeing how "Prometheus" answers that question.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 17, 2023 04:24 PM (clDM5)

115 Ace told us earlier today the left owns the ballot boxes. This is silly. Focus on the important stuff.

Posted by: EveR at March 17, 2023 04:24 PM (MUpk6)

116 Ace had never beenmpproTrump but he definitely is prodesantis

Posted by: Gonzotx at March 17, 2023 04:25 PM (ozaby)

117 Maybe Trump should remember how to win votes with the issues and tamp down the sideshow and pejoratives. Perhaps he should also talk in a material way not only about voter fraud and the Democrat Party's effort to corrupt the election system, but what he's going to do to fix it.

By the way, "Meatball Ron" already did that in Florida.

Posted by: Marcus T at March 17, 2023 04:25 PM (8Voqu)

118 101 93 Trump's floor is 25% of the vote in the primary...his max is 40%. With only 2 "real" candidates, he can't win. With 3, he has a shot. With 4, he wins.

Right now, there's .5 of a real candidate in the race with him (b/c I don't see Haley as very real). That hurts Trump. If Youngkin and DeSantis join, I give Trump a good shot. But if only one does, they take the vote, unless like 10 state governors all want to go in to chip away from those 2 in each of their states and let Trump grab it with his expected 30%...
Posted by: Nova Local at March 17, 2023 04:22 PM (exHjb)

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Why do you assume his ceiling is 40? That's a large assumption that I question.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at March 17, 2023 04:22 PM (LvTSG)

Ummm, have you met your fellow Republican primary voters - there is a large portion that will now NEVER vote for him (mostly female, minority, and/or well off/educated) and a large portion who will ONLY vote for him. Thus, he has a high floor and low ceiling...

Posted by: Nova Local at March 17, 2023 04:25 PM (exHjb)

119 His whining and name calling now is puerile, and adds fuel to the left they can use for attack ads. I believe that most Biden voters voted out of hatred for Trump. And that Trump hate had an effect on the mid terms.

Posted by: Mr Gaga at March 17, 2023 04:21 PM (KiBMU)

Ace said it in a previous post. The nation was in the mood for Trump's tactics in 2016.

We're no longer in the mood for this bullshit.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at March 17, 2023 04:25 PM (KbCG3)

120 112 It is beyond stupid doing these attacks on someone who has not even thrown his hat in the ring.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 17, 2023 04:24 PM (WsJuq)

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According to polls, DeSantis is the only credible threat to Trump. According to rumors, DeSantis is planning a presidential run.

I mean...it makes sense.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at March 17, 2023 04:25 PM (LvTSG)

121 Similar to what MP4 has opined in the past, I think Trump would benefit from and win back a significant portion of the core base he's now lost by acknowledging his greatest mistakes.as POTUS, the lessons he's learned from those mistakes, and his plans of action to counter and prevent them from happening in the future should he miraculously overcome the margin of fraud if he's nominee.

Unfortunately, that does not appear to be part of his makeup; for better or for worse, he's a package deal.

Posted by: ShainS -- The Abolition of The West is from Men Without Chests at March 17, 2023 04:25 PM (bjYEL)

122 The Stormy Daniels "case" is pure Dem stupidry. For the people who even care about it, the story only makes Trump stronger.

in regards to DeSantis vs. MAGA, yawn. The old back and forth since the Stone Age. The American Voter can sort this kind of political bickering out by itself like it has always done.

As it will sort out the current political class's mischief in the coming months and years.

Posted by: mrp at March 17, 2023 04:25 PM (rj6Yv)

123 118 Ummm, have you met your fellow Republican primary voters - there is a large portion that will now NEVER vote for him (mostly female, minority, and/or well off/educated) and a large portion who will ONLY vote for him. Thus, he has a high floor and low ceiling...
Posted by: Nova Local at March 17, 2023 04:25 PM (exHjb)

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So...it's your gut feeling?

Okay.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at March 17, 2023 04:25 PM (LvTSG)

124 Love Trump, Love Desantis. Will vote for either if they get the nom. If I have to choose between the two in the primary I'd vote for Desantis. He'll get some squishes and Reagan dems. Trump will not. I know people that are squishes and they've said they wouldn't vote for PDT in the general. As much as we loathe squishes, we need them to vote in the general. Same with some cross over dems. They just fucked themselves in the northern part of MN (the Iron Range) when they banned mining for metals for things like all the EV's dipshit wants. (better to use child slaves of color I guess) They used to be solid blue pretty much. Not any more. Trump is his own worst enemy. He could disavow this and tell them to stop but he won't. Going after him breaks the Reagan rule. But he can't stop stepping on his own dick.

Posted by: Minnfidel at March 17, 2023 04:26 PM (oE0yX)

125 113 Is DeSatan lgoing to take it easy on trump? I doubt it. And who knows? They may end up on the same ballot together and make all of this moot.

Posted by: ... at March 17, 2023 04:24 PM (iCWt+)

Um...aren't they both residents of Florida? I recall some rule prohibiting the P and VP candidates hailing from the same state...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at March 17, 2023 04:26 PM (ynpvh)

126 still think, in the long run, Trump nor DeSantis will not be allowed to win the nomination or a general election.

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This. The difference between the two is I think DeSantis would be allowed to live and the government would remove him via the courts and a January 6th type production.

Trump? He'll never be allowed back in the White House. And the government is serious about it now.

Posted by: Remember when BBC reported WTC7 had fallen due to fire 20 minutes before it collapsed? at March 17, 2023 04:26 PM (5OcwI)

127 First look at Uruguay.

Posted by: Lola - Free Jacob Chansley at March 17, 2023 04:26 PM (GshMh)

128 Two years until the next "election" and I'm already burned out on the campaigning by the GOP.

Imagine the wailing in 24 when the GOP picks Pence as their candidate. Because GOP.

LMFAO

Posted by: Martini Farmer at March 17, 2023 04:26 PM (Q4IgG)

129 I need a refresher. What about the case where Daniel's lost and was supposed to pay Trump $300,000.

Posted by: Ben Had at March 17, 2023 04:26 PM (e9NS3)

130 Reddening Christine Pushaw's knees is such a slimy tactic. Christine Pushaw is awesome. The fact that they cot caught just makes Trump look bad.

>> A 15-page complaint from MAGA, Inc. claims DeSantis
>> has launched a 'shadow presidential campaign'

It's like the early 90s again:

In the SHADOWS...
out in the SHADOWS...
It's like walking on glass.
It's the end of the show
in the SHADOWS.

And sweet dreams...
She sells you sweet dreams.
It's like movies and trash
where there's always a girl,
and she's sweet dreams.

Posted by: 40 Miles North at March 17, 2023 04:26 PM (uWF4x)

131 114 What's up with the chick's knee pictures? (Insert TJM catch phrase here)
Posted by: Phil McOxenbauls at March 17, 2023 04:21 PM

Not seeing how "Prometheus" answers that question.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 17, 2023 04:24 PM (clDM5)

Prometheus did a Cumala?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at March 17, 2023 04:26 PM (ynpvh)

132 And DeSantis shut down Florida on that same advice.

The only Republican governor who didn't was Kristi Noem, and Kristi Noem sucks.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at March 17, 2023 04:22 PM (LvTSG

And opened it faster . South Dakota has the population of Jacksonville.

Posted by: polynikes at March 17, 2023 04:27 PM (7HLtt)

133 125 Um...aren't they both residents of Florida? I recall some rule prohibiting the P and VP candidates hailing from the same state...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at March 17, 2023 04:26 PM (ynpvh)

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Before you write that, you should ask yourself one question:

If true, does Donald Trump have the resources to attain residency in another state of the union?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at March 17, 2023 04:27 PM (LvTSG)

134
Trump is just John C Fremont with nicer hair!

-- Mossback GOPe

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at March 17, 2023 04:27 PM (pNxlR)

135 (b/c I don't see Haley as very real). That hurts Trump. If Youngkin and DeSantis join, I give Trump a good shot. But if only one does, they take the vote, unless like 10 state governors all want to go in to chip away from those 2 in each of their states and let Trump grab it with his expected 30%

We're not concerned with too many candidates initially...but we'll pull our own version of "operation elect Biden" and force people out by South Carolina if necessary to coalesce around NeverTrump.

Posted by: GOPe at March 17, 2023 04:27 PM (JCZqz)

136 Related: Manhattan DA's office 'asked for a meeting' with law enforcement ahead of possible Trump indictment

https://tinyurl.com/mpzjn8rm

Posted by: Marcus T at March 17, 2023 04:27 PM (8Voqu)

137 Trump fights. He doesn't always fight fair or un-skeevy. I don't always agree with his tactics or his targets. Bottom line he fights and we need that.



Posted by: Archer at March 17, 2023 04:28 PM (gmo/4)

138 Um...aren't they both residents of Florida? I recall some rule prohibiting the P and VP candidates hailing from the same state...

I think it just cancels that state's electoral college votes, so you don't run P and VP from the same state to maximize your EC vote potential.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at March 17, 2023 04:28 PM (Bd6X8)

139 I have tended to vote for whoever I think will do the least amount of damage to the Republic. Well, damage done. Fatally so, I believe. I'm getting less motivated to vote. After the 2020 elections I didn't see any reason to anymore. I voted in the last election (shrugs). It was futile but I did it. Trump isn't helping his cause. He seems to be his own worst enemy.

Posted by: Puddleglum at March 17, 2023 04:28 PM (sAmhv)

140 According to a very respected co-blogger and commenter (whom I haven't seen in a while) no GOP candidate has a path to 270 in 2024 anyway, unless massive voting procedures change, which, from where I observe, ain't gonna happen.
So all of this garment rending is for naught.

Posted by: gourmand du jour, it wuz pencils! at March 17, 2023 04:29 PM (jTmQV)

141 Oh yeah, FUCK RedState.com!
Posted by: Tracy at March 17, 2023 04:23 PM (aWDI7)

Right on! And Ace is right there, DeSantis acolyte

Posted by: Gonzotx at March 17, 2023 04:29 PM (ozaby)

142 Thank you, Ace for expressing how I see things with the Trump Desantis battle.
I voted for Trump twice. I donated and did what I could to promote him. I saw him at a MAGA rally and enjoyed the people, the messaging and the enthusiasm very much.

In the primary I will vote for DeSantis. Trump won in 2020. We were all screwed and continue to be. But I know too many people who just cannot vote for Trump, period. I have tried to explain and cajole but they refuse to vote for him.

This country needs a young, eloquent and hard charging conservative who gets things done. Trump is too old and yes, his baggage is only getting worse.

But if he wins the nomination I will vote for him.

Posted by: Czech Chick at March 17, 2023 04:29 PM (6Tc2R)

143
I need a refresher. What about the case where Daniel's lost and was supposed to pay Trump $300,000.

Posted by: Ben Had


The poor creature is working hard for that money and will likely die on her back doing so.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at March 17, 2023 04:29 PM (pNxlR)

144 Trump needs to tread very, very carefully on the COVID stuff, and shouldn't attack *anyone* on it. He's just flat out on the wrong side of it to attack DeSantis for shutting down beaches when he publicly dressed down Kemp for reopening Georgia. He just doesn't have a leg to stand on in this fight, and he shouldn't wage it. If anything, he needs to be prepared for defense on the topic.
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Alternatively, he could admit he was wrong to take advice from DC careerists.

Posted by: Methos at March 17, 2023 04:20 PM


Yep, the left is setting the stage to blame trump for the covid outbreak. After all it was revealed this week that is was trump's HHS/CDC that was funding the wuhan lab in 2017, three years before biden got elected.


The left can't defend the *natural* outbreak of covid any longer and the experiments and funding that created covid in the lab were done during the trump administration and he will be blamed for it 24/7. He needs to lay off the covid crap.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at March 17, 2023 04:29 PM (ncXxy)

145 Ummm, have you met your fellow Republican primary voters - there is a large portion that will now NEVER vote for him (mostly female, minority, and/or well off/educated) and a large portion who will ONLY vote for him. Thus, he has a high floor and low ceiling...
Posted by: Nova Local at March 17, 2023 04:25 PM (exHjb)

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Your in NoVa

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at March 17, 2023 04:29 PM (cMXNt)

146 133 125 Um...aren't they both residents of Florida? I recall some rule prohibiting the P and VP candidates hailing from the same state...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at March 17, 2023 04:26 PM (ynpvh)

=========

Before you write that, you should ask yourself one question:

If true, does Donald Trump have the resources to attain residency in another state of the union?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at March 17, 2023 04:27 PM (LvTSG)

I don't see his pride letting him do that.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at March 17, 2023 04:29 PM (ynpvh)

147 this is an EXCELLENT post I thoroughly enjoyed it

One of the greatest draws of Trump was, for me, this exhilarating realization that I was now allowed to stop defending all of Bush's failures.

I didn't realize this until you typed it! yes. YES! that was the relief I was feeling in 2015!

and now I'm feeling it again, as PDJT stumbles and bumbles and acts like an ass

Posted by: BlackOrchid at March 17, 2023 04:29 PM (w0NJk)

148 132 And opened it faster . South Dakota has the population of Jacksonville.
Posted by: polynikes at March 17, 2023 04:27 PM (7HLtt)

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If I remember correctly, Abbott started that process first, after Kemp was making noises about it in GA.

And DeSantis was opening up after Trump had said he wanted everything opened up by Easter of 2020.

So, if Trump holds responsibility for the shutdowns across the nation (which all happened with the actual authorities of state governments), then DeSantis is as responsible if not moreso than Trump for what happened in Florida. If DeSantis gets credit for opening up after Trump was signaling that it should end, does Trump get credit for that?

Listen, if both are on the SC ballot, I'm probably voting DeSantis, but let's not pretend that DeSantis is clean on lockdowns in any way, shape, or form.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at March 17, 2023 04:29 PM (LvTSG)

149 Trump is Trump.
Posted by: m at March 17, 2023 04:18 PM (CQE5S)



More's the pity.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at March 17, 2023 04:29 PM (yQpMk)

150 I'm envisioning a Bloom County comic strip with one of the characters pounding a clenched fist into an open palm and yelling "Let Trump be Trump!!"

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at March 17, 2023 04:29 PM (DhOHl)

151 Let the chips fall where they may. We have no control over anything except in our immediate spheres.

Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at March 17, 2023 04:29 PM (Mzdiz)

152 I'm willing to have the debates and let this play out. That will air out DeSantis as well. But why os Trump afraid of that process? Why won't he say he will support who ever wins the primary? Will he run as a third party candidate to sink Republicans chances?

Posted by: Marcus T at March 17, 2023 04:29 PM (8Voqu)

153 I don't like being cross-wise with half of the readership.

I know we've come to expect a math-free haven, but if you're cross-wise with half the readership, so is everybody here. It's ok.

Posted by: t-bird at March 17, 2023 04:30 PM (CaJIi)

154 "If no one can win, what do you care who we nominate to lose? Trump supporters sure act as if winning an election is a possibility."
_________________

Much more importantly, the Democrats and all of Trump's enemies are sure acting as if Trump stands a very good chance of winning if he's allowed to run.

Posted by: MartynWW at March 17, 2023 04:30 PM (Ur3df)

155 On a lighter note ...

The New Mexico Department of Game and Fish is seeking to hire "professional bear huggers." "Must have ability to hike in strenuous conditions, have the courage to crawl into a bear den, and have the trust in your coworkers to keep you safe during the process," the department wrote in a lighthearted Facebook post announcing the application deadline for the next class of conservation officers.

Posted by: PeeWee Herman at March 17, 2023 04:30 PM (RHGPo)

156 The bribe money scandal-struck European Union is reportedly preparing legislation that has “spooked” leftist charities and NGOs as it would require them to disclose any international funding in a bid to reduce foreign influence.

The European Commission, the executive arm of the EU, is said to be currently preparing draft legislation similar to the American Foreign Agents Registration Act 1938, which requires lobbyists to declare if they are working as an agent of a foreign government. However, the EU legislation is believed to only target organisations, not individuals, such as non-governmental organisations (NGOs) and charities, according to a report from the POLITICO website.

Posted by: PeeWee Herman at March 17, 2023 04:30 PM (RHGPo)

157 I'm with you, Ace.

Posted by: Johnny Lanctot at March 17, 2023 04:30 PM (LiTv3)

158 137 Trump fights. He doesn't always fight fair or un-skeevy. I don't always agree with his tactics or his targets. Bottom line he fights and we need that.

Posted by: Archer at March 17, 2023 04:28 PM (gmo/4)

Yes but he's simply fighting on his behalf right now.

It's fine if he's fighting against the establishment on our behalf, but that's far from the case. Desantis is the heir apparent to MAGA and Trump is acting like a scared little bitch.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at March 17, 2023 04:30 PM (KbCG3)

159 139 I have tended to vote for whoever I think will do the least amount of damage to the Republic. Well, damage done. Fatally so, I believe. I'm getting less motivated to vote. After the 2020 elections I didn't see any reason to anymore. I voted in the last election (shrugs). It was futile but I did it. Trump isn't helping his cause. He seems to be his own worst enemy.
Posted by: Puddleglum at March 17, 2023 04:28 PM (sAmhv)

You should always vote - just look at how important school boards and the House are this term. The top seat is one spot, but all the follow-on seats matter just as much, if not more, for you personally.

Posted by: Nova Local at March 17, 2023 04:31 PM (exHjb)

160 103 Meanwhile over at RedState.com, they are literally breathless for President Trump to be indicted as Bronchie has a new hit piece out, suggesting DJT is guilty of something.
Boy oh boy, they just can't wait to take out Trump over there so they can then crown Desantis king!
If Trump is indicted for some bullshit charge, King Desantis's presidential run is as good as over. Tens of millions of Trump voters will stay home and let the GOPe get whats coming to them. I know I won't be voting for the Grift Party ever again.
Oh yeah, FUCK RedState.com!
Posted by: Tracy at March 17, 2023 04:23 PM (aWDI7)

Yep, seeing Karen Townsend be some generic suburb republican woman talking about how horrible Trump is and awaiting the walls to finally close in.

If Desantis put out just the weakest amount of defense for the bullshit Trump goes through it would be an olive branch, but nope. Because Rove is probably telling him to not get involved.

I also find it telling how Desantis let Kari Lake rot, doing nothing to bolster support in the GOP governor association, especially after the election fraud (or is that fake too and "she was just too mean to the McCains?")

Posted by: UwU_Power at March 17, 2023 04:31 PM (Wd58P)

161 Boy, you can't swing a dead cat in this thread without hitting a troll.

Posted by: Marcus T at March 17, 2023 04:31 PM (8Voqu)

162 149 Trump is Trump.
Posted by: m at March 17, 2023 04:18 PM (CQE5S)

More's the pity.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at March 17, 2023 04:29 PM (yQpMk)

But truth in advertising.

Posted by: m at March 17, 2023 04:31 PM (CQE5S)

163 The only Republican governor who didn't was Kristi Noem, and Kristi Noem sucks.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at March 17, 2023 04:22 PM (LvTSG

LOL

Posted by: ... at March 17, 2023 04:31 PM (iCWt+)

164 120 I mean...it makes sense.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at March 17, 2023 04:25 PM

I think it would be better if he attacked Biden and the Democrats who have harmed this country since taking over. Point out their failings and shortcomings. Maybe provides what you would do to turn the ship around.

And I may be in the minority, but if Trump came out with a Mea Culpa on his handling of Covid and how it should have been handled might work in his favor.

That's my 2 cents.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 17, 2023 04:31 PM (WsJuq)

165 154 Much more importantly, the Democrats and all of Trump's enemies are sure acting as if Trump stands a very good chance of winning if he's allowed to run.
Posted by: MartynWW at March 17, 2023 04:30 PM (Ur3df)

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I interpret the left's frothing rage at anyone on the right as little more than the practical application of the Emmanuel Goldstein principle.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at March 17, 2023 04:31 PM (LvTSG)

166 Given Brandon's enthusiastic reception at his little event in Las Vegas this week, I don't think 150,000,000 votes for Biden/Harris 2024! is out of the question.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 17, 2023 04:32 PM (clDM5)

167 "I recall some rule prohibiting the P and VP candidates hailing from the same state..."

More of a suggestion, the VP would help tilt the vote toward the party of the candidate.

Posted by: gourmand du jour, it wuz pencils! at March 17, 2023 04:32 PM (jTmQV)

168 164 I think it would be better if he attacked Biden and the Democrats who have harmed this country since taking over. Point out their failings and shortcomings. Maybe provides what you would do to turn the ship around.

And I may be in the minority, but if Trump came out with a Mea Culpa on his handling of Covid and how it should have been handled might work in his favor.

That's my 2 cents.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 17, 2023 04:31 PM (WsJuq)

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He's in a primary. This is how primaries always play out.

Why does everyone forget this every two years?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at March 17, 2023 04:32 PM (LvTSG)

169 meanwhile, the actual pros at lawfare is going to have trump epsteined in prison enxt week

Posted by: sockamster, gator at March 17, 2023 04:32 PM (MLrvz)

170 My favorite are the Republicans who fight dirty as shit against other Republicans then when it comes time to fight a Democrat they roll out the red carpet and say my friendsh why don't you elect that fuckin guy instead of me.

Posted by: ... at March 17, 2023 04:32 PM (iCWt+)

171 153 I don't like being cross-wise with half of the readership.

I know we've come to expect a math-free haven, but if you're cross-wise with half the readership, so is everybody here. It's ok.
Posted by: t-bird at March 17, 2023 04:30 PM (CaJIi)

I think everyone knows that bedways is rightways now. So best we go homeways and get a bit of spatchka.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at March 17, 2023 04:32 PM (KbCG3)

172 Sure. Let's pretend that "MAGA Inc" is magically different from "Conservative Inc", who we obviously trust implicitly.

Right ? RIGHT ?

Posted by: deadrody at March 17, 2023 04:33 PM (kYmXc)

173
Lots of new nicks here, I see. Really brainy ones -- big brains, too!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at March 17, 2023 04:33 PM (pNxlR)

174 I don't see his pride letting him do that.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at March 17, 2023 04:29 PM (ynpvh)

Exactly. He is not one to accommodate somebody else in that way. He would never take an action like that for the benefit of the junior partner.

Posted by: Mark1971 at March 17, 2023 04:33 PM (xPl2J)

175 170 My favorite are the Republicans who fight dirty as shit against other Republicans then when it comes time to fight a Democrat they roll out the red carpet and say my friendsh why don't you elect that fuckin guy instead of me.
Posted by: ... at March 17, 2023 04:32 PM (iCWt+)

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Mitt Romney, elder statesman of the Senate!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at March 17, 2023 04:33 PM (LvTSG)

176 As someone who supports both Trump and DeSantis, this was a dumb move by MAGA Inc. that will probably backfire bigly. Stupid, unforced error. I hope that Trump will denounce this but won't be too surprised if he doesn't - another unforced error.

Posted by: Cheri at March 17, 2023 04:33 PM (oiNtH)

177 169 meanwhile, the actual pros at lawfare is going to have trump epsteined in prison enxt week


it's easy to be a "pro at law fare" when you can hire lawyers without them having to fear retribution

my friend's family all have new freaking identities b/c he helped with PDJTs election steal suit

Posted by: BlackOrchid at March 17, 2023 04:33 PM (w0NJk)

178 so, it's legal to blackmail but it's illegal to pay off blackmailers, even if your lawyer did it without consulting you.

but everything the democrats do is legal.

man, this is some banana republic.

Posted by: sockamster, gator at March 17, 2023 04:33 PM (MLrvz)

179 145 Ummm, have you met your fellow Republican primary voters - there is a large portion that will now NEVER vote for him (mostly female, minority, and/or well off/educated) and a large portion who will ONLY vote for him. Thus, he has a high floor and low ceiling...
Posted by: Nova Local at March 17, 2023 04:25 PM (exHjb)

———-

Your in NoVa
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at March 17, 2023 04:29 PM (cMXNt)

Yes, one of two state pick-ups Rs have to win in 2024. And which will also have a Senate seat in play, with the right candidate at the top of the ticket and on the Senate seat line...

Posted by: Nova Local at March 17, 2023 04:33 PM (exHjb)

180 The Trump v. DeSantis catfights never fail to amuse me. I must admit, the "first time, long time" callers are a bonus.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at March 17, 2023 04:33 PM (Xrfse)

181 See? The same state argument is a lot more pleasant than Trump v DeSantis, non?

Posted by: ... at March 17, 2023 04:33 PM (BXxcV)

182 And to top it off, lets go to the obvious trustworthy source to get a balanced review of this...

THE DAILYMAIL

Are you SHITTING me ?

Posted by: deadrody at March 17, 2023 04:34 PM (kYmXc)

183 PDT could do well to channel this guy:

“Here I stand, I can do no other, so help me God. Amen.”

—Martin Luther

Posted by: m at March 17, 2023 04:34 PM (CQE5S)

184 179 Yes, one of two state pick-ups Rs have to win in 2024. And which will also have a Senate seat in play, with the right candidate at the top of the ticket and on the Senate seat line...
Posted by: Nova Local at March 17, 2023 04:33 PM (exHjb)

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Just don't nominate someone as bad as Oz. He said crudite.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at March 17, 2023 04:34 PM (LvTSG)

185 RE Meatball Ron

At Subway, the meatball sub is called THE BOSS.

QED

Posted by: st7v7ns at March 17, 2023 04:34 PM (ki5na)

186
it's easy to be a "pro at law fare" when you can hire lawyers without them having to fear retribution

my friend's family all have new freaking identities b/c he helped with PDJTs election steal suit

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damn yo.

yeah, and the treasonous GOP signed off on the 2022 spending bill giving the doj TWO BILLIOJN to continue going after gop folks

Posted by: sockamster, gator at March 17, 2023 04:34 PM (MLrvz)

187 176 As someone who supports both Trump and DeSantis, this was a dumb move by MAGA Inc. that will probably backfire bigly. Stupid, unforced error. I hope that Trump will denounce this but won't be too surprised if he doesn't - another unforced error.


Cheri there are Leftist moles in MAGA Inc no doubt at all. Trump is surrounded by subversives and he will never ever realize it

Posted by: BlackOrchid at March 17, 2023 04:34 PM (w0NJk)

188 Total support for Trump in 2016, even before he got the nomination. These kinds of punkass stunts - coming up with clever nicknames, hawking NFTs and now going after DeSantis with Obama tactics... count me out. The sad part is Trump would rather Biden or some other WEF standin win than DeSantis. He will happily burn it down around his ears while bellowing that he's the greatest. Which is why the great middle are turned off by Trump.

Posted by: Fat Jonah of Krypton at March 17, 2023 04:35 PM (eDqf7)

189 Meanwhile over at RedState.com, they are literally breathless for President Trump to be indicted as Bronchie has a new hit piece out, suggesting DJT is guilty of something.

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just a novel application of criminal law, only against political foes. nothing to see here

Posted by: sockamster, gator at March 17, 2023 04:35 PM (MLrvz)

190 Imagine the wailing in 24 when the GOP picks Pence as their candidate. Because GOP.

LMFAO
Posted by: Martini Farmer at March 17, 2023 04:26 PM (Q4IgG)

I think Pence will be the GOP golden boy. And I think they're going to cheat to get him nominated.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at March 17, 2023 04:35 PM (BdMk6)

191 Just don't nominate someone as bad as Oz. He said crudite.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at March 17, 2023 04:34 PM (LvTSG)

Is that a Turkish word?

Posted by: polynikes at March 17, 2023 04:36 PM (7HLtt)

192 167 "I recall some rule prohibiting the P and VP candidates hailing from the same state..."

More of a suggestion, the VP would help tilt the vote toward the party of the candidate.
Posted by: gourmand du jour, it wuz pencils! at March 17, 2023 04:32 PM (jTmQV)

It's a vestige of the original method of selecting electors. They can't vote for candidates from the same state. Since they totally changed everything and made electors winner take all and selected by popular vote, I don't know why they why they kept that one rule intact.

Other than the people at the time they screwed up Presidential elections weren't that very good at their job.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at March 17, 2023 04:36 PM (Y5qcH)

193 I think that DeSantis will look at the numbers and realize that there is no way he will win the nomination and hold off until 2028.

I also hear that he would have to resign from office to run (not sure how true that is).

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at March 17, 2023 04:36 PM (cMXNt)

194 184 179 Yes, one of two state pick-ups Rs have to win in 2024. And which will also have a Senate seat in play, with the right candidate at the top of the ticket and on the Senate seat line...
Posted by: Nova Local at March 17, 2023 04:33 PM (exHjb)

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Just don't nominate someone as bad as Oz. He said crudite.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at March 17, 2023 04:34 PM (LvTSG)

I'm honestly not sure who we'll have for that seat...it probably depends who is the top of the R national ticket. If it's Trump, no R will take the certain loss here. If it's anyone else, with the state R's at the top now (and able to offer campaigning support and funds), I could see a real race and a real candidate with a shot at winning...

Posted by: Nova Local at March 17, 2023 04:36 PM (exHjb)

195 Folks, chill out. As we move forward, Mika will tell us what to think. And if she doesn't, Joy will bring us joy.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 17, 2023 04:36 PM (clDM5)

196 You should always vote - just look at how important school boards and the House are this term.

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Around here we are seeing Democrats moving to and active in the Republicans local conferences and campaigns. The new "moderate" republicans, who were democrats two years ago.

I assume this is happening across the country, and I assume it's planned and organized.

Posted by: Remember when BBC reported WTC7 had fallen due to fire 20 minutes before it collapsed? at March 17, 2023 04:36 PM (5OcwI)

197 It's not just that Trump's social feeds are at wholesale war with Ron DeSantis, it's that Trump is testing out lines of attack so petty I'd barely believe them. For instance, the idea that Top Guv used to say his name as Dee-Santis, but now pronounces it Dah-Santis. You don't know how to say your own name, the retweeted meme says incredulously.

I checked it out myself on Trump's Telegram, and as silly an accusation as it is, it's apparently accurate. It's not a true disqualifier, of course, but it's a way to drive up DeSantis' awareness- in a negative direction- before he announces.

Now, Donny could bring attention to the idea that DeSantis sold more copies of his book than 2008 Obama or 2016 Clinton, raising the base's extreme suspicion of the New York publishing houses, but that's not going to happen. Donald Trump is perhaps the simplest of modern alphas that way.

Posted by: trev006 at March 17, 2023 04:37 PM (UIR/l)

198 Gonzotx at March 17, 2023 04:29 PM (ozaby)

You're welcome to just stink up the LegalInsurrection site, if you find ace's take to be too offensive. He welcomes snarky, informed responses and takes. If you just want to fling poo, hit the exits.

Posted by: Virginia SoCon at March 17, 2023 04:37 PM (a/dOO)

199 191 Just don't nominate someone as bad as Oz. He said crudite.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at March 17, 2023 04:34 PM (LvTSG)

Is that a Turkish word?
Posted by: polynikes at March 17, 2023 04:36 PM (7HLtt)

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It's a killing word, apparently.

It's also literally the French word for a plate of vegetables.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at March 17, 2023 04:37 PM (LvTSG)

200 This is a nicely argued post. Way better than your average drivel, Ace.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at March 17, 2023 04:37 PM (ppBhU)

201 190 Imagine the wailing in 24 when the GOP picks Pence as their candidate. Because GOP.

LMFAO
Posted by: Martini Farmer at March 17, 2023 04:26 PM (Q4IgG)

I think Pence will be the GOP golden boy. And I think they're going to cheat to get him nominated.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at March 17, 2023 04:35 PM (BdMk6)

And when Pence gets 45 million total votes, the GOP will say that it shows GOP voters have no appetite for the GOP and we must lurch further to the left on all issues.

However this ends, it will not end well.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at March 17, 2023 04:37 PM (KbCG3)

202 my friend's family all have new freaking identities b/c he helped with PDJTs election steal suit
Posted by: BlackOrchid

I wondered why all the PA lawyers Trump hired in 2020 backed out
Worse than the Mafia

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at March 17, 2023 04:37 PM (fUnHJ)

203 178 so, it's legal to blackmail
Posted by: sockamster, gator at March 17, 2023 04:33 PM (MLrvz)

???

Posted by: m at March 17, 2023 04:37 PM (CQE5S)

204 I will say this:

I'm not committed to anyone in the primary.

My feeling almost completely mirror Ace's here. Further, I know that there is still a chance for someone else to sway me. (Given how little I trust anyone in politics, though, that's a very low chance.)

I will say that this kind of crap makes me not want to vote for Trump, though.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at March 17, 2023 04:37 PM (JMAcK)

205 osted by: Czech Chick at March 17, 2023 04:29 PM

This!

Posted by: Minnfidel at March 17, 2023 04:38 PM (oE0yX)

206 187 Cheri there are Leftist moles in MAGA Inc no doubt at all. Trump is surrounded by subversives and he will never ever realize it
Posted by: BlackOrchid at March 17, 2023 04:34 PM

There are leftist moles here. O.O

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 17, 2023 04:38 PM (WsJuq)

207 bonchie...

"it involves several weak and unconnected laws."

yeah, cohen says (with DOJ's gun at his head) that he and trump knowingly worked together to buck campaign laws to pay stormy in an effort to commit a crime. see?

that cohen was actually an election law superstar...knew it was bad to use personal money to pay hush money. and that trump was like "damn, yo, IDC let's pay that bish and lie"

Posted by: sockamster, gator at March 17, 2023 04:38 PM (MLrvz)

208 I assume this is happening across the country, and I assume it's planned and organized.

It is.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at March 17, 2023 04:38 PM (Xrfse)

209 Pretty sure Jonah Goldberg and Rick Wilson are in this thread. I see donut stained t-shirts and sweaty fat rolls with pieces of rice krispy treats in them.

Posted by: Marcus T at March 17, 2023 04:38 PM (8Voqu)

210 167 "I recall some rule prohibiting the P and VP candidates hailing from the same state..."

More of a suggestion, the VP would help tilt the vote toward the party of the candidate.

Posted by: gourmand du jour, it wuz pencils! at March 17, 2023 04:32 PM (jTmQV)

Yeah, just looked it up; would cost all of Florida's electoral votes. Then again, Dems are evil, Reps are stupid.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at March 17, 2023 04:38 PM (ynpvh)

211 It's OK, Ace. I'm cynical enough to think that the pro-Trump group is just doing this as fundraising fodder and, after the elections, we'll find out that it was a "pro-Trump" group consisting of Bulwark wannabes trying to siphon votes from both Republicans.

Meanwhile, in my neck of the woods, Governor Whitless is quacking about how she's expanding the Elliott-Larsen Civil Rights Act so every sexual orientation and "gender expression" is protected. No one can get fired! And everyone can have an abortion and "commonsense action" against gun-lovers.

It's all "good for business"! Seriously, I saw the trans-woman token in her publicity shot and thought, "What business is that, Gretch? Human trafficking?"

Posted by: NaughtyPine at March 17, 2023 04:38 PM (fxCK2)

212 Late to this thread and TLR and all that, but what this illustrates to me is our side's fatally annoying tendency to engage in fights with each other rather than with the enemy. The example I like to use is that when you're on Last Stand Hill with Custer and the 7th, that is not the fucking time to settle scores with your fellow troopers but is the fucking time to focus on shooting at the 10,000 fucking howling savages circling the Hill ready to kill and scalp you.


Of course the savages in my example are Democrats. As if that wasn't obvious.

Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at March 17, 2023 04:38 PM (E8MD5)

213 >190 Imagine the wailing in 24 when the GOP picks Pence as their candidate. Because GOP.

LMFAO
Posted by: Martini Farmer at March 17, 2023 04:26 PM (Q4IgG)

I think Pence will be the GOP golden boy. And I think they're going to cheat to get him nominated.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at March 17, 2023 04:35 PM (BdMk6)

Pence is JEB! without the charisma.

Posted by: Heavy Meta at March 17, 2023 04:38 PM (gryET)

214 what ever, have pdt killed in prison in NYC, no one will care.

seriously, the gop is useless and hates trump and the base.

what is the base going to do? vote harder?

Posted by: sockamster, gator at March 17, 2023 04:38 PM (MLrvz)

215 Unfortunately, that does not appear to be part of his makeup; for better or for worse, he's a package deal.
Posted by: ShainS


Only partially. He needed to have set up multiple orgs to start active lawfare and ballot/voter drives. Truth social isn't enough. He's still relying on supporters to do all of the work to roll back the 2020 blockades. There needs to be a multi-front legion of PACs, NGOs, lawgroups, and legal subversive orgs building an assault.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 17, 2023 04:38 PM (jzzG8)

216 CBD's Art Thread this morning was one of of the least crosswise Threads ever, and it wasn't 100%.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 17, 2023 04:38 PM (clDM5)

217 Two posts ago:

"Democrats and their progressive allies are vastly expanding their unprecedented efforts, begun in 2020, to use private money to influence and run public elections.
Supported by groups with more than $1 billion at their disposal, according to public records, these partisan groups are working with state and local boards to influence functions that have long been the domain of government or political parties."


Democrats are going to spend $1B on the next steal. How much has the GOP said they're willing to spend on stealing it back?

Posted by: Martini Farmer at March 17, 2023 04:38 PM (Q4IgG)

218 This Trump vs. DeSantis fighting just clears the way for Nikky Haley, youse guys.

Posted by: lowandslow at March 17, 2023 04:39 PM (76Foq)

219 Why isn't Trump criticizing Bidet? He can don't every day, 10!times a day.

Posted by: runner at March 17, 2023 04:39 PM (EeVCB)

220 What is the policy position difference between Paul Ryan and Ron! Does ANY writer at NRO or Bulwark have any problem with Ron! being the nominee? I'll wait.

Posted by: Yip at March 17, 2023 04:39 PM (YT5J+)

221 I think DeSantis would be a more effective president at this point because he seems more able to push and pull the levers of governance (and in Conservatives' favor) efficiently and without the excess fanfare. He's just a legislative-pushing machine.

Now, I'll still support Trump first because it's vitally important to deny the Uniparty its desires - that being to purge a populist from ever getting power. But it's getting harder to support Trump if his "team" keeps going scorched earth on really good fellow conservatives. Go after McConnell, Graham, Cornyn, Romney, and the whole farm of globalist-loving miscreants the GOP still hosts 'til the cows come home, but let's not slam the near future, essential leaders we are going to need. Keep that up and even a die-hard MAGA head like me is going to flee.

Trump better curb his dogs. Now.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel Remembers Babbitt and Perna at March 17, 2023 04:39 PM (aXxgO)

222 Trump lyed to my Presdent of Coler and shoulds be in jale !!!!

Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, VT at March 17, 2023 04:39 PM (20SKS)

223 217 Democrats are going to spend $1B on the next steal. How much has the GOP said they're willing to spend on stealing it back?
Posted by: Martini Farmer at March 17, 2023 04:38 PM (Q4IgG)

=========

-$250 million.

They're going to spend to support it.

The future is at the state level. The federal government is a leech that must be cut off.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at March 17, 2023 04:40 PM (LvTSG)

224 Both Trump and DeSantis (and the eventual nominee, who I hope will be one of these two) will have some unsavory "consultants" and political "experts" trying to join their parade.
So if this looks like politics as usual, yes, it is politics as usual.
These people have been around for many years, know how the game is played, and absolutely don't care what the voters think.

Posted by: PG at March 17, 2023 04:40 PM (84jHt)

225 Your in NoVa
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at March 17, 2023 04:29 PM (cMXNt)

Yes, and in a primary, guess what? Liberal Republicans in blue states or blue portions of purple states vote and their vote actually matters. So, if Trump can only get 25% of the primary vote in Northern Virginia, he loses the Virginia primary bigly. Repeat across the mid-Atlantic and NE.

Posted by: Virginia SoCon at March 17, 2023 04:40 PM (a/dOO)

226 just let that sink in though, two billion for the DOJ to go after republicans.

the democrats are evil yo and they're going after GOP normals just for the thrill of putting regular folks in prison.

Posted by: sockamster, gator at March 17, 2023 04:40 PM (MLrvz)

227 183 PDT could do well to channel this guy:

“Here I stand, I can do no other, so help me God. Amen.”

—Martin Luther

Posted by: m at March 17, 2023 04:34 PM (CQE5S)

As long as he doesn't channel the anti-Semetic parts.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at March 17, 2023 04:40 PM (ynpvh)

228 In all seriousness, it's surprising that Melania will LET him run again.

Posted by: m at March 17, 2023 04:40 PM (CQE5S)

229 We are so screwed. That piece By VDH on "Are we Byzantine" is dead on. I am so glad My little Red Backwater will be the only area me and my homies will need to defend. Know you local level LEO, Banks, Food Production.

Posted by: Paladin at March 17, 2023 04:40 PM (+evAm)

230 well, $1B from the left to steal 2024.

The GOP doesn't have any money. So. we lose

bad mood today, eh?

Posted by: sockamster, gator at March 17, 2023 04:40 PM (MLrvz)

231 This is all so effing depressing. We need to present a united front to the fascist Uniparty, and instead we have this penisectomy contest between Trump and DeSantis. Sad!

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at March 17, 2023 04:41 PM (EZaTx)

232 Also, good to see that nobody apparently learned a fucking thing from the statewide races in 2020 and 2022.

PA, GA, AZ, WI, NV are totally purple / blue states. Totally legit. The GOP has to move left to win these statewide races.

You fucking morons.

Posted by: deadrody at March 17, 2023 04:41 PM (kYmXc)

233 221 I think DeSantis would be a more effective president at this point because he seems more able to push and pull the levers of governance (and in Conservatives' favor) efficiently and without the excess fanfare. He's just a legislative-pushing machine.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel Remembers Babbitt and Perna at March 17, 2023 04:39 PM (aXxgO)

=========

Now, assume DeSantis can even overcome the "fortifying of elections" in places like AZ, MI, GA, and PA, how does he convinced an even divided Senate led by Mitch McConnell and Chuck Schumer to pass anything conservative at all?

The federal Congress is not exactly the same beast as the supermajority GOP FL legislature.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at March 17, 2023 04:41 PM (LvTSG)

234 Democrats are going to spend $1B on the next steal. How much has the GOP said they're willing to spend on stealing it back?

-

Remember just a few months ago when Mitch supported Murkowski in Alaska and pulled money out of Arizona when the R looked like he was going to win?

Posted by: Remember when BBC reported WTC7 had fallen due to fire 20 minutes before it collapsed? at March 17, 2023 04:41 PM (5OcwI)

235 118 Ummm, have you met your fellow Republican primary voters - there is a large portion that will now NEVER vote for him (mostly female, minority, and/or well off/educated) and a large portion who will ONLY vote for him. Thus, he has a high floor and low ceiling...
Posted by: Nova Local at March 17, 2023 04:25 PM

He won in 2016, and managed to increase his vote share in 2020 by 18%, but sure, he has electability problems. For comparison

Obama lost about .4% voted in his reelection
Bush gained 15% in his
Clinton gained .5%
Bush senior is a loser, and Perot makes comparison unfair

Reagan gained 24% in his reelection, but I didn't realize an independent (Anderson) got about 6.5% of the vote in Reagan's initial election. That wasn't an issue in 84, and Mondale barely got more votes than Carter.

You don't see many historical parallels of elected officials GAINING 18% votes and losing their election.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at March 17, 2023 04:41 PM (JCZqz)

236 Trump is in great position to criticize Democrat Senate, why is he not doing that?

Posted by: runner at March 17, 2023 04:42 PM (EeVCB)

237 There are leftist moles here. O.O
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 17, 2023 04:38 PM


This is about me, isn't it?

Posted by: Barry Soetoro at March 17, 2023 04:42 PM (clDM5)

238 Yes, and in a primary, guess what? Liberal Republicans in blue states or blue portions of purple states vote and their vote actually matters. So, if Trump can only get 25% of the primary vote in Northern Virginia, he loses the Virginia primary bigly. Repeat across the mid-Atlantic and NE.
Posted by: Virginia SoCon at March 17, 2023 04:40 PM (a/dOO)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Like in 2016. Obviously

Posted by: deadrody at March 17, 2023 04:42 PM (kYmXc)

239 Martini Farmer: "Democrats are going to spend $1B on the next steal. How much has the GOP said they're willing to spend on stealing it back?"

Well, I'm dedicating a few hundred million for the cause. Oh, wait. You said "steal it back". My bad.

Posted by: Mitch McConnell at March 17, 2023 04:42 PM (aXxgO)

240 222 Trump lyed to my Presdent of Coler and shoulds be in jale !!!!
Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, VT at March 17, 2023 04:39 PM

Someone is typing under the influence of fermented maple syrup.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 17, 2023 04:42 PM (WsJuq)

241 225 Yes, and in a primary, guess what? Liberal Republicans in blue states or blue portions of purple states vote and their vote actually matters. So, if Trump can only get 25% of the primary vote in Northern Virginia, he loses the Virginia primary bigly. Repeat across the mid-Atlantic and NE.
Posted by: Virginia SoCon at March 17, 2023 04:40 PM (a/dOO)

=========

It's also in March.

By SC, it's going to be obvious it's Trump or no one. This race ain't getting to Super Tuesday.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at March 17, 2023 04:42 PM (LvTSG)

242 ???
Posted by: m

////

stormy blackmailed trump through cohen, taking advantage of timing of 2016 race.

no biggie.

cohen pays stormy, gets reimbursed from trump at some point. that's the crime nyc is going after.

the gop needs to start lawfaring up.

Posted by: sockamster, gator at March 17, 2023 04:42 PM (MLrvz)

243 Pence will never be elected to anything. Even the most tepid Republicans require some evidence of a spine or testicles, even if they atrophied years ago.

Pence has the resolve of tissue paper.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at March 17, 2023 04:42 PM (lf83v)

244 >>>"Also, everyone here supported Trump in the past, so we've all collectively overlooked or even justified his, um, pugnaciousness."

=====

His "pugnaciousness" is what keeps my Dem SIL from voting for him. But since Trump refuses to change, the result is she cancels out my brother's vote. But I can't blame her.

Posted by: Turn two at March 17, 2023 04:42 PM (JfxgE)

245 you there's enough demons in FL and NoVA that our GOP DA's could go after them and take some scalps

Posted by: sockamster, gator at March 17, 2023 04:43 PM (MLrvz)

246 "You don't see many historical parallels of elected officials GAINING 18% votes and losing their election."

You're welcome.

Posted by: DeepState at March 17, 2023 04:43 PM (ZVuYy)

247 This idea that Trump lost in 2020 because of the suburban wine mom vote but won in 2016...right after the Access Hollywood tape, is ridiculous.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at March 17, 2023 04:43 PM (LvTSG)

248 Maybe you and your particular brand and generation of conservatives should take stock of the issues you've been wrong about over the years. Off the top of my head, the Iraq War, the Ukraine war, George W. Bush, Mitt Romney, Paul Ryan, Lindsey Graham, and every idiotic utterance you and every mainstream conservative pundit defended of theirs' over the years. Now you're gatekeepering or attempting to gatekeep Donald Trump, just as you did waaaaay back with Pat Buchanan.

Posted by: Jopnik NekiM at March 17, 2023 04:44 PM (vdts/)

249 That pro-MAGA group is probably lead by some or another Ray Epps FBI/CIA toady asset.

Ignore them.

They want Florida to become Minnesota with an ocean beach, and Desantis sent to a Covid gulag for the "Vaccine Hesitant."

Posted by: Ju at March 17, 2023 04:44 PM (aTmM/)

250 785 Days After Biden Took Office, WH Says “We’re Going To Secure The Border”

Posted by: PeeWee Herman at March 17, 2023 04:44 PM (RHGPo)

251 Yes, and in a primary, guess what? Liberal Republicans in blue states or blue portions of purple states vote and their vote actually matters. So, if Trump can only get 25% of the primary vote in Northern Virginia, he loses the Virginia primary bigly. Repeat across the mid-Atlantic and NE.
Posted by: Virginia SoCon at March 17, 2023 04:40 PM (a/dOO)

———

We shall see

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at March 17, 2023 04:44 PM (cMXNt)

252 Trump posts on Facebook for 1st time since 2021

Posted by: PeeWee Herman at March 17, 2023 04:45 PM (RHGPo)

253 219 Why isn't Trump criticizing Bidet? He can don't every day, 10!times a day.
Posted by: runner at March 17, 2023 04:39 PM

Now who can argue with that? Not only was it authentic digital frontier gibberish, it expressed a courage little seen in this day and age!

Posted by: Howard Johnson at March 17, 2023 04:45 PM (JCZqz)

254 The federal Congress is not exactly the same beast as the supermajority GOP FL legislature.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison


Why would Trump2024 have a greater chance of that? Trump told the 2016 GOP to get legislation lined up like aircraft on a carrier and that went absolutely nowhere. It seems from a distance DS would have a greater chance getting anything done because he pretends to play the game and understands where the levers are to get pol-idiots to play along.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 17, 2023 04:45 PM (jzzG8)

255 And now for some dark humor. Prog pastor mansplains what is wrong with women.

https://bit.ly/42fCpzP

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at March 17, 2023 04:46 PM (nVLaF)

256 Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, VT at March 17, 2023 04:39 PM (20SKS)

More like president of Choler.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at March 17, 2023 04:46 PM (ynpvh)

257 I have no problem tolerating Trump. I understand him and how he works. It is his most vigorous supporters and surrogates that I am finding insufferable. They aren't good at it the way Trump is. I'm talking about Baris and Posobiec. Just come out as straight-up Trump jock-sniffers and be done with it. But they won't. They just keep going out and saying absurd stuff attacking everyone that isn't Trump as if they are objective observers. Especially Baris. I like his poll analysis. But I really start to question whether he can be trusted when he is so deeply buried up Trump's nether regions.

Posted by: Mad Max in VA at March 17, 2023 04:46 PM (Gu48G)

258 247 This idea that Trump lost in 2020 because of the suburban wine mom vote but won in 2016...right after the Access Hollywood tape, is ridiculous.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at March 17, 2023 04:43 PM (LvTSG)

No R ran against Trump in 2020. As has been mentioned on the board, non-Trump R primary voters would, even now, overwhelmingly still vote for him over Biden in a general, but they'll crawl over broken glass to make sure they don't have to make that decision in the primary.

Posted by: Nova Local at March 17, 2023 04:46 PM (exHjb)

259 I don't know whether anyone pointed out to you in the other post that Bill Kristol's son Joseph -- not the effete son-in-law, Continetti -- did go to Afghanistan as a Marine. I was wincing as I read the post, because I knew what your last line was going to be.

Posted by: 80sfan at March 17, 2023 04:46 PM (vcfbQ)

260 His "pugnaciousness" is what keeps my Dem SIL from voting for him. But since Trump refuses to change, the result is she cancels out my brother's vote. But I can't blame her.
Posted by: Turn two at March 17, 2023 04:42 PM (JfxgE)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Ah, so the most conservative president in at least 4 decades needs to change so the prevailing media carricature of him will sway the wine moms.

Or, your SIL is a hopeless IDIOT who believes the dumb shit the media says and responds to "Ah, but no mean tweets" with, EXACTLY

Good god almighty

Posted by: deadrody at March 17, 2023 04:46 PM (kYmXc)

261
Smoke on the water
Nuke fire in the sky!

Posted by: Joe "Light Purple" Biden at March 17, 2023 04:47 PM (clDM5)

262 By SC, it's going to be obvious it's Trump or no one. This race ain't getting to Super Tuesday.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison,



That's how I see it as well. There just isn't anyone else with the support.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at March 17, 2023 04:47 PM (lTGtQ)

263
Earlier today there was an Emerson poll saying Trump leads RDS 47-43 in FL.
R voters want total , unforgiving, 'skeevy' war waged against the Communists.
From an R voter pov who wages total war, even when he should occasionally may be back off?.
RDS is good, a hell of a back up but the core R voters want pain administered to their Communist tormentors.
It's an Orange World. The Communists have asked for it. They are going to get it. Whether we can overcome the vote hijink, who knows?
But Donnie T is going lead this charge for better or worse

Posted by: Voter theater. at March 17, 2023 04:47 PM (Ih0Cz)

264 Single women already swung hard for the liberals in 2022, while the GOP increased with married men, married women, and single men. And that doesn't take in the election fortification.

The goal is to push more on the families who are suffering the most due to the economic bullshit, as well as having their kids trannified in schools. And the fear of war will also weigh heavily on them as their kids get older and Joepedo goes from sniffing them to pushing them onto a front line for some grifting ukraine losers.

Eroding the strong MAGA platform and being a limp dick for a handful of single 3/10s living in VA who still care about their social media status over their fucking checkbook is a losing proposition.

Posted by: UwU_Power at March 17, 2023 04:47 PM (Wd58P)

265 244

His "pugnaciousness" is what keeps my Dem SIL from voting for him. But since Trump refuses to change, the result is she cancels out my brother's vote. But I can't blame her


She prefers a castrati?

It's the blood and sweat of pugnacious males that gave women like your SIL everything they have.

So sick of these western women spitting on their men.

Posted by: Floridachick at March 17, 2023 04:47 PM (VDwbs)

266 The biggest reason to support Trump is knowing that Democrats will just steal the elections again no matter what.

Posted by: ChrisW at March 17, 2023 04:48 PM (PEgT0)

267 You can read through the comments and see:

Pro DeSantis - reasonable, considered, articulate.

Trump Cultists - insane.

When you're arguing that Redstate is against Trump because THEY ARE REPORTING A STORY then you are insane.

Posted by: EtcEtcEtc at March 17, 2023 04:48 PM (8s49i)

268 All I know is if 2024 ends up like I fear, Biden again, then we're pretty much done... All the Libs ever dreamed of will come true.. Bye, bye America

Posted by: It's me donna at March 17, 2023 04:48 PM (bs+z0)

269 254 Why would Trump2024 have a greater chance of that? Trump told the 2016 GOP to get legislation lined up like aircraft on a carrier and that went absolutely nowhere. It seems from a distance DS would have a greater chance getting anything done because he pretends to play the game and understands where the levers are to get pol-idiots to play along.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 17, 2023 04:45 PM (jzzG

=========

I didn't say anything about Trump's ability to manage Congress. I'm not really on either side (though I'd vote for DeSantis if he is on the SC ballot).

The federal government is fucked. There is literally no saving it. The Establishment's controls of its levers of power are too tightly held to wrest control of it, especially in the next 2 years.

At best, a GOP president slows things down. Maybe.

That's assuming a GOP president can overcome the "fortifying" in AZ, MI, GA, and PA.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at March 17, 2023 04:48 PM (LvTSG)

270 When the time comes, I hope to have the courage of Horatius.

Posted by: Archer at March 17, 2023 04:48 PM (gmo/4)

271 TheJamesMadison: "The federal Congress is not exactly the same beast as the supermajority GOP FL legislature."

True and its always a concern. I'd suggest that DeSantis will be more effective because when he first got in, he squeaked by in a purple state. Since then, FL has moved dramatically redder and has gained popularity because of his policies and philosophy. I think that carries some weight in those challenging districts around the country.

Of course, with the election steal of some degree guaranteed, who knows what will happen even if King Solomon were to descend.

I just think DeSantis is better at moving the ball without all the antagonism Trump's ego invites.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel Remembers Babbitt and Perna at March 17, 2023 04:48 PM (aXxgO)

272 242 ???
Posted by: m

////

stormy blackmailed trump through cohen, taking advantage of timing of 2016 race.

no biggie.

cohen pays stormy, gets reimbursed from trump at some point. that's the crime nyc is going after.

the gop needs to start lawfaring up.

Posted by: sockamster, gator at March 17, 2023 04:42 PM (MLrvz)

I thought in the book by Pomerantz everybody told him there was nothing there and that his "novel theories" of law didn't hold water.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at March 17, 2023 04:48 PM (ynpvh)

273 Burn
Scatter
Salt

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at March 17, 2023 04:49 PM (fUnHJ)

274 266 Note, I don't mean that as a serious defense or attack on Trump, just pointing it out for its own sake.

Posted by: ChrisW at March 17, 2023 04:49 PM (PEgT0)

275 Lots of new nicks here, I see. Really brainy ones -- big brains, too!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at March 17, 2023 04:33 PM


Look at the big brain on Brad.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at March 17, 2023 04:49 PM (ncXxy)

276 Might as well face reality, either Trump is the nominee, or the GOP is finished, much like the whigs.
---
Yup.
Sorry.
There is no "Trumpism without Trump" candidate.
He's either the nominee or he chooses the nominee. Poiitcs now is tribal, not transactional. And Trump commands a plurality of the base more than sufficient to scuttle anyone else. Maybe Trump can't win. But no one can win without him.

Also, I thought someone pointed out that candidates are strictly forbidden from coordinating with a PAC and Trump even saying "knock it off" would be proof of coordination.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at March 17, 2023 04:49 PM (Watld)

277 258 No R ran against Trump in 2020. As has been mentioned on the board, non-Trump R primary voters would, even now, overwhelmingly still vote for him over Biden in a general, but they'll crawl over broken glass to make sure they don't have to make that decision in the primary.
Posted by: Nova Local at March 17, 2023 04:46 PM (exHjb)

========

The primary calendar is most likely going to assure those voters of VA that they either vote for the guy who's already gotten a clear majority of delegates or second place. As we can see through history of primaries, once a clear leader forms early in the calendar, they just tend to build momentum as the calendar goes on.

By March, it'll be Trump.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at March 17, 2023 04:50 PM (LvTSG)

278 And all the swooning "oh, my, the mean tweets" contingent buy this, HOOK, LINE, and SINKER

Great job.

Posted by: deadrody at March 17, 2023 04:50 PM (kYmXc)

279 Trump needs to pound the bad Dem policies. I'm really done with the personal attacks when there are far more important targets. Trump is 76 and will never change.

Posted by: JM in Florida, now Illinois at March 17, 2023 04:50 PM (exd8J)

280 I thought in the book by Pomerantz everybody told him there was nothing there and that his "novel theories" of law didn't hold water.

///

well, yeah, that's the real world.

the world that the DOJ created is...different.

Posted by: sockamster, gator at March 17, 2023 04:50 PM (MLrvz)

281 LOL Trump's such a wuss.

Posted by: Memories at March 17, 2023 04:50 PM (mwcEF)

282 The MSM sure seem to be more afraid of DeSantis than Trump.

I've noticed they've been bashing DeSantis and complimenting Trump lately.

They want Trump to be the nominee, because they think Biden can beat him.

Posted by: redridinghood at March 17, 2023 04:50 PM (NpAcC)

283 I hereby coin a new word: Trumpfoonery ™.

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at March 17, 2023 04:51 PM (DhOHl)

284 271 True and its always a concern. I'd suggest that DeSantis will be more effective because when he first got in, he squeaked by in a purple state. Since then, FL has moved dramatically redder and has gained popularity because of his policies and philosophy. I think that carries some weight in those challenging districts around the country.

Of course, with the election steal of some degree guaranteed, who knows what will happen even if King Solomon were to descend.

I just think DeSantis is better at moving the ball without all the antagonism Trump's ego invites.
Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel Remembers Babbitt and Perna at March 17, 2023 04:48 PM (aXxgO)

=========

This is not how the establishment in DC thinks at all, nor how they act. They are lords of fiefdoms. Fuck you for thinking you can tell them what to do.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at March 17, 2023 04:51 PM (LvTSG)

285
The primary calendar is most likely going to assure those voters of VA that they either vote for the guy who's already gotten a clear majority of delegates or second place. As we can see through history of primaries, once a clear leader forms early in the calendar, they just tend to build momentum as the calendar goes on.

By March, it'll be Trump.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at March 17, 2023 04:50 PM (LvTSG)

We'll see...by March, I'm not even sure he'll still be in the race. Many, many R frontrunners have fallen apart much sooner over the years...

Posted by: Nova Local at March 17, 2023 04:51 PM (exHjb)

286 I said yesterday Trump will step on what's left of his dick and voila! I'm a prophet I tell ya.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at March 17, 2023 04:51 PM (DMyTF)

287 Rory Carroll Ireland correspondent and Martin Pengelly in New York, Fri 17 Mar 2023, The Guardian, today:
Leo Varadkar meets Biden after apparent Clinton-Lewinsky joke. Irish leader meets US president at White House for traditional St Patrick’s Day event a day after making gaffe

"Ireland’s taoiseach, Leo Varadkar, has apologised for making an apparent joke about Bill Clinton’s affair with Monica Lewinsky, during an event in Washington on the eve of St Patrick’s Day celebrations.

Varadkar’s comment on Thursday risked overshadowing his meeting with Joe Biden at the White House on Friday for the traditional handing over of a bowl of shamrock to the US president, the most important day in the Irish-American political calendar."

Posted by: Lola - Free Jacob Chansley at March 17, 2023 04:51 PM (GshMh)

288 Maybe you and your particular brand and generation of conservatives should take stock of the issues you've been wrong about over the years. Off the top of my head, the Iraq War, the Ukraine war, George W. Bush, Mitt Romney, Paul Ryan, Lindsey Graham, and every idiotic utterance you and every mainstream conservative pundit defended of theirs' over the years. Now you're gatekeepering or attempting to gatekeep Donald Trump, just as you did waaaaay back with Pat Buchanan.
Posted by: Jopnik NekiM at March 17, 2023 04:44 PM (vdts/)



This totally cracks me up.

These threads..

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at March 17, 2023 04:51 PM (yQpMk)

289 That Trump won't drop the stupid embellishment (greatest military/vax/wall in the world!) and understand that we understand his optimism but we need the dead serious, pin drop version of 'complicated business'. What that phrase would be I don't know.

Maybe, 'go time' or "let's go" or steel from Chris Fredo "let's get to it".

Meanwhile Mitch in his '20s wheel chair and blanket wiggles his head around from just off stage.

Posted by: micky at March 17, 2023 04:51 PM (3byMq)

290 there's the idea that FEC laws want you to report all spending but that's stupid and violates 1A so there's the idea it's money not related to your normal life.

also, um, you know hillary paid for steele dossier through perkins coie. to avoid FEC.

no one going to go file suit against her?

Posted by: sockamster, gator at March 17, 2023 04:51 PM (MLrvz)

291 You know Ace I love reading your writing but you used a lot of words to say.

1. Shadow Trump PAC spuriously accuses DeSantis of running an illegal shadow presidential campaign despite DeSantis never saying you should elect me President.

2. These repeated Trump underhanded attacks are bullshit and lack any substance. They aren't convincing me they are pissing me off.

3. Politics to many Trump supporters is a contact sport right until contact is made with their candidate. It's either all's fair for everyone , or their's rules for everyone.

4. I'll still vote for Trump if he wins, but I like DeSantis more because I think he has better chances in the general, and I have to mop up for him less when he opens his mouth, and I'm tired of mopping.

Posted by: mikethemoose at March 17, 2023 04:51 PM (AmpGx)

292 I'm afraid DeSantis will be Bush 2. Remember, GW Bush was feted as the next great conservative. Rush could not slobbering enough over him. But he was in bed with the establishment.

DeSantis is in bed with the same establishment. He will take money from them. They will control him. He will never be able to take out the bad guys.

Maybe Trump fails (again) at draining the swamp, but he will try. DeSantis will not because the swamp will own him.

Posted by: Mookie at March 17, 2023 04:52 PM (Y+2kU)

293 It's A Madhouse! A Madhouse!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 17, 2023 04:52 PM (R/m4+)

294 my friend's family all have new freaking identities b/c he helped with PDJTs election steal suit
Posted by: BlackOrchid at March 17, 2023 04:33 PM (w0NJk)

That’s not Trumps fault, that’s the left who must be abolished and it will only happen with Trump, he has taken all the slings and arrows and this time he’s not going to be nice, he will
Be our avenger

I’m sorry for your friend, but if we all don’t step forward with what we can do they will destroy us finally and
Forever

Posted by: Gonzotx at March 17, 2023 04:52 PM (ozaby)

295 DJT's indulgence of the lockdowns was depressing/disappointing. His indulgence of arsonists and looters was offensive. I don't blame him for lack of medical e-doctor-on-Twitter expertise. He lost me on law & order.

BTW I don't support Meatball because don't trust him on the Ukraine self-churning meat grinder. I kind of like Kemp (bonus for Trump fellas, they hate Kemp too). Anyway I think this country is 2-3 months and a bank failure away from civil war. So whatever

Posted by: 80sfan at March 17, 2023 04:52 PM (vcfbQ)

296 Might as well face reality, either Trump is the nominee, or the GOP is finished, much like the whigs.

Yes, but there might be another way. Trump gets indicted, the GOP blocks him from the ballot using that as a pretense, and Trump runs 3rd party. THAT would be amazing.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at March 17, 2023 04:52 PM (JCZqz)

297 266 The biggest reason to support Trump is knowing that Democrats will just steal the elections again no matter what.
Posted by: ChrisW at March 17, 2023 04:48 PM (PEgT0)

I don't understand this.

Posted by: m at March 17, 2023 04:52 PM (CQE5S)

298 *steal

Posted by: micky at March 17, 2023 04:52 PM (3byMq)

299 285 We'll see...by March, I'm not even sure he'll still be in the race. Many, many R frontrunners have fallen apart much sooner over the years...
Posted by: Nova Local at March 17, 2023 04:51 PM (exHjb)

=========

He's the former incumbent.

He's going to win, and we'll all be laughing at all the good times we had in the Trump/DeSantis wars by late February.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at March 17, 2023 04:52 PM (LvTSG)

300 Like in 2016. Obviously
Posted by: deadrody at March 17, 2023 04:42 PM (kYmXc)

You mean, in 2016 when there were 20+ candidates splitting votes until April or so? Trump never hit 50% in a single contest until late April, when it was Trump, Kasich, and Cruz. He never went too low, but he never took a lion's share. Trump needs early momentum. If he doesn't score a majority of clear victories in the first couple of primaries/caucuses, then his "I'm a winner" shtick will take a bigger hit.

Posted by: Virginia SoCon at March 17, 2023 04:52 PM (a/dOO)

301 stormy blackmailed trump through cohen, taking advantage of timing of 2016 race.

no biggie.
cohen pays stormy, gets reimbursed from trump at some point. that's the crime nyc is going after.

Trump is such a clown and such a buffoon and has tons of baggage and has no chance to win........but let's try to BAR him from running at all using skeevy legal tactics

Posted by: JoeF. at March 17, 2023 04:53 PM (mR6Gs)

302 the DOJ squeezed cohen to break priv with trump and to admit to knowingly and for the sole purpose of breaking FEC regulations conspiring with trump to do so.

you see?

just a minor unrelated detail in his tax plea bargain fact pattern.

Posted by: sockamster, gator at March 17, 2023 04:53 PM (MLrvz)

303 Add to my previous: Draining the swamp is the only thing that matters because it is the only thing that can save out nation. The federal government is our mortal enemy and the swamp is where it feeds. It must be eliminated.

Posted by: Mookie at March 17, 2023 04:53 PM (Y+2kU)

304 Trump will never be allowed to win.

Won't happen. They will ratchet up the screaming to levels never imagined. People will vote against him, just like they did in 2020 just to make the screeching stop.

He. Can't. Win.

Posted by: nurse ratched at March 17, 2023 04:53 PM (vRoTw)

305 and remember, Feb 2020 when it was impeachable to go after political opponents for purely personal political reasons.

Posted by: sockamster, gator at March 17, 2023 04:54 PM (MLrvz)

306 292 I'm afraid DeSantis will be Bush 2. Remember, GW Bush was feted as the next great conservative. Rush could not slobbering enough over him. But he was in bed with the establishment.

DeSantis is in bed with the same establishment. He will take money from them. They will control him. He will never be able to take out the bad guys.

Maybe Trump fails (again) at draining the swamp, but he will try. DeSantis will not because the swamp will own him.
Posted by: Mookie at March 17, 2023 04:52 PM (Y+2kU)


You are 95% correct, except for the fact that the swap already owned him. He’s being handled very well to make MAGA believe he is one of us, he’s not, he will obey the masters

Posted by: Gonzotx at March 17, 2023 04:54 PM (ozaby)

307 Shorter version: It's a shitshow and we are doomed.

Posted by: Peaches at March 17, 2023 04:54 PM (14URa)

308 247 This idea that Trump lost in 2020 because of the suburban wine mom vote but won in 2016...right after the Access Hollywood tape, is ridiculous.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at March 17, 2023 04:43 PM (LvTSG)


———

Yep. It’s ridiculous of course because it isn’t true. Suburban wine moms are overwhelmingly white and married and that group voted in greater numbers for Trump in 2020 compared to 2016.

Then you got the “single women turned hard to the Dems” to stop the Red Wave in 2022 as if single women weren’t always hard supporters of the Dems (primarily driven by the fact that most black women are single and vote 90%+ Dem).

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at March 17, 2023 04:54 PM (cMXNt)

309 You mean, in 2016 when there were 20+ candidates splitting votes until April or so? Trump never hit 50% in a single contest until late April, when it was Trump, Kasich, and Cruz. He never went too low, but he never took a lion's share. Trump needs early momentum. If he doesn't score a majority of clear victories in the first couple of primaries/caucuses, then his "I'm a winner" shtick will take a bigger hit.
Posted by: Virginia SoCon at March 17, 2023 04:52 PM (a/dOO)

He will have early momentum.....especially if Biden keeps fucking the country up

Posted by: JoeF. at March 17, 2023 04:54 PM (mR6Gs)

310 I dunno. I'm not going to get my testicles in a bunch just yet. Life's garbage enough without getting freaked out over this shit.

Posted by: Do I need another fucking headache? No I do not. at March 17, 2023 04:54 PM (La8Fd)

311 This is why I support Mike Pence for president, everyone around here hates him, so no drama.

Posted by: Dr Spank at March 17, 2023 04:54 PM (2XjE8)

312 The deal with Trump is the same as the deal with most people, animals, and institutions: His greatest strength — his pugnacity — is also, potentially, his greatest weakness.

Time will tell.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at March 17, 2023 04:54 PM (EZaTx)

313 seriously, if we had a political party, there'd be impeachment just for this right now. might lose but it'd give biden a black eye.

we have every democrat in 2020 solemnly explaining this new rule about going after people.

Posted by: sockamster, gator at March 17, 2023 04:55 PM (MLrvz)

314 292 I'm afraid DeSantis will be Bush 2. Remember, GW Bush was feted as the next great conservative. Rush could not slobbering enough over him. But he was in bed with the establishment.
Posted by: Mookie at March 17, 2023 04:52 PM

Maybe slightly better, like a Scott Walker or Rick Perry? Bobby Jindal? Remeber fiscal hawk Paul Ryan? Wow...so many disappointments foisted upon us, after seemingly significant local successes.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at March 17, 2023 04:55 PM (JCZqz)

315 I absolutely condemn trying to get DeSantis on an ethics charge for travelling and giving a speech as all politicians do.
Is Trump involved? Well, he's at least got to have deniability. The whole PAC could be undercover Tiki Torch Bulwark plants for all we know. (Do we know?) And as anti-Trump as so many are, they are RABIDLY anti DeSantis.

Might be a job for OMG.inc ?

Trump IS fond of the low road, this is true. We know this.

He also had lapses in judgement on Covid (and not what the Dems pretend were horrible things, most of those were reasonable).

Fighting over Covid responses is different than legal shenanigans. Both men made mistakes and corrected those mistakes in different ways. Their judgement is 100% reasonable to hash out.

Posted by: Synova at March 17, 2023 04:55 PM (BD/yx)

316 We're here, when you're ready.

Posted by: Kasich/Fiorina 2024 at March 17, 2023 04:55 PM (clDM5)

317 taoiseach

Had to look that one up.

Tee-Shukh

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at March 17, 2023 04:55 PM (ynpvh)

318 Lance Reddick, a veteran character actor known for his intense roles in HBO’s hit series The Wire, Bosch and the John Wick action films, died on Friday, the Associated Press reports. He was 60.

Posted by: PeeWee Herman at March 17, 2023 04:56 PM (RHGPo)

319 "You are 95% correct, except for the fact that the swap already owned him. He’s being handled very well to make MAGA believe he is one of us, he’s not, he will obey the masters"

I tend to agree. He has already taken their money, and he already has JEB! endorsing him.

Posted by: Mookie at March 17, 2023 04:56 PM (Y+2kU)

320 Trump will never be allowed to win.

Won't happen. They will ratchet up the screaming to levels never imagined. People will vote against him, just like they did in 2020 just to make the screeching stop.

He. Can't. Win.
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 17, 2023 04:53 PM (vRoTw

First off, TRUMP WON, the election was STOLEN

Actually that’s #1 and #2

Period

And Trump will
Win 2024, for the third time

Posted by: Gonzotx at March 17, 2023 04:56 PM (ozaby)

321 >>>he’s not, he will obey the masters

So "the masters" were OK with DeSantis kicking Disney in the nuts, right after he kicked groomer teachers in the .... hmmmmm...... whatever they might still have in that general area.

Posted by: mikethemoose at March 17, 2023 04:56 PM (AmpGx)

322 Do we want another administration full of Omarosa's, Jarvanka's, Kanye's, and Scaramucci's. I do not.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at March 17, 2023 04:56 PM (DMyTF)

323 By March, it'll be Trump.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch

Not so fast. I see that Chris Christie is going to run.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at March 17, 2023 04:56 PM (nVLaF)

324 Lots of new nicks here, I see. Really brainy ones -- big brains, too!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at March 17, 2023 04:33 PM


Look at the big brain on Brad.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at March 17, 2023 04:49 PM (ncXxy)
******
Reminds me of the Georgia runoff and right before J6 2021.

A lot of new nics trying to coerce us in their direction.

Posted by: redridinghood at March 17, 2023 04:56 PM (NpAcC)

325 Trump and DeSantis ( if he intends to run) should be spending their time bashing the Left and Biden but more importantly focusing on voter fraud. They should have filed lawsuits already to get rid of mail in ballots or to have more restrictions on them and how they are counted and certified.

Posted by: polynikes at March 17, 2023 04:56 PM (7HLtt)

326 //
Trump is such a clown and such a buffoon and has tons of baggage and has no chance to win........but let's try to BAR him from running at all using skeevy legal tactics
//

how about this...trump was an ok guy with a normal personal life who the left decided to destroy once he won the nomination.

Posted by: sockamster, gator at March 17, 2023 04:56 PM (MLrvz)

327 @271

>>I just think DeSantis is better at moving the ball without all the antagonism Trump's ego invites.

Donald Trump got 74 million legit votes, The Meat Puppet got 81 million fake votes.

But lets put that aside, the standard now has been set, a Republican cannot win with less than 82 million now.

I think given the right conditions and enough anger, Trump could get 90 million votes people to line up and vote for his uncouth, America Loving Ass.

Can DeSantis? No way in f**king hell.

But will getting 90 million votes be enough?

F**k if I know at this point.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at March 17, 2023 04:56 PM (up/3i)

328 Half thought out:
We have often said, "the Democrats could have gotten everything they wanted from Trump if they would have stroked his ego."
That's a flaw that isn't changing.

But show me where in the ranks of Republicans are the smart people manipulating him that way?

Nope, they're all off stomping after a white knight on the horizon. Ah, the perfect Republican! He'll save us!

I'm not being mean. I'm saying, are we trying to work with the only nominee we have or are we wasting a whole lot of time accepting the criticism (especially from the left) and demanding he change?

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at March 17, 2023 04:57 PM (Watld)

329 I really hope DeSantis doesn't run. His work as governor isn't done yet.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at March 17, 2023 04:57 PM (BdMk6)

330 Yep. It’s ridiculous of course because it isn’t true. Suburban wine moms are overwhelmingly white and married and that group voted in greater numbers for Trump in 2020 compared to 2016.

Then you got the “single women turned hard to the Dems” to stop the Red Wave in 2022 as if single women weren’t always hard supporters of the Dems (primarily driven by the fact that most black women are single and vote 90%+ Dem).
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at March 17, 2023 04:54 PM (cMXNt)

They need these myths to take hold so that they can claim credit for Democrat wins.

It's like they when they always talk about how well Democrats do with EDUCATED!! voters when the reason Dems win is the borderline retards in the hoods in the blue cities

Posted by: JoeF. at March 17, 2023 04:57 PM (mR6Gs)

331 Let Trump be Trump, as he can be no other.

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at March 17, 2023 04:57 PM (fUnHJ)

332 Is Biden loose running around the white house lawn chasing leprechauns?

Posted by: Archer at March 17, 2023 04:57 PM (gmo/4)

333 Not so fast. I see that Chris Christie is going to run.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at March 17, 2023 04:56 PM (nVLaF)

Hope the paramedics are standing by

Posted by: It's me donna at March 17, 2023 04:57 PM (bs+z0)

334 297 266 The biggest reason to support Trump is knowing that Democrats will just steal the elections again no matter what.
Posted by: ChrisW at March 17, 2023 04:48 PM (PEgT0)

I don't understand this.
Posted by: m at March 17, 2023 04:52 PM

Exactly! The right Republican candidate will throw the election, so no stealing is required!

Posted by: Mitt Rombley at March 17, 2023 04:57 PM (JCZqz)

335 ts. He was 60.

/////////

holy shit, that skinny guy dided?

Posted by: sockamster, gator at March 17, 2023 04:57 PM (MLrvz)

336 I'm tired of this bullshit. I want someone to get down and dirty, Andrew Jackson style. None of these pussies can win against the Uniparty machine.

Posted by: fd at March 17, 2023 04:58 PM (iayUP)

337 If nothing else, this thread has been quite entertaining.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at March 17, 2023 04:58 PM (Xrfse)

338 I am in-bred, pale, flabby and completely spent from pleasuring myself and ready to be your standard bearer in 2024!

Please clap!

Posted by: Jeb!, An Inbred Tool at March 17, 2023 04:58 PM (R/m4+)

339 323 By March, it'll be Trump.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch

Not so fast. I see that Chris Christie is going to run.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at March 17, 2023 04:56 PM (nVLaF)

"Fast"? "Run"? Is this some other Chris Christie?

Posted by: m at March 17, 2023 04:58 PM (CQE5S)

340 311 This is why I support Mike Pence for president, everyone around here hates him, so no drama.
Posted by: Dr Spank at March 17, 2023 04:54 PM (2XjE

LOL!

It would actually be glorious to watch him go from the "good" Republican back to the anti-LGBTQ mega-theocratic terror that will turn us all back in time 200 years and hear about his misogyny non-stop because he has never grabbed a woman by the pussy.

Posted by: Synova at March 17, 2023 04:58 PM (BD/yx)

341 "Is it fair for DeSantis to bring up Trump's advisors Fauci and Birx? Well, politics is a contact sport, I keep hearing, and even if it weren't, bad policy choices are always fair game for critique."

iirc, pretty much every week from near the start of the Fauci/Birx show, I was posting here "why does Trump keep these globalist grifters front and center". We had the Great Barrington Declaration, we had Fauci trashing Trump on CNN, and we had a lot of real "science".

It made no sense ... except maybe Trump felt he had to play along, and maybe he believed them and "We have The Cure, People will praise you for Operation Warp Speed". idk.

Posted by: illiniwek at March 17, 2023 04:58 PM (Cus5s)

342 310 I dunno. I'm not going to get my testicles in a bunch just yet. Life's garbage enough without getting freaked out over this shit.
Posted by: Do I need another fucking headache? No I do not. at March 17, 2023 04:54 PM (La8Fd)

I know a guy who did that. It's called a testicular torsion. We called him "Twisted Nutts" for the rest of high school.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at March 17, 2023 04:58 PM (Y5qcH)

343 176 As someone who supports both Trump and DeSantis, this was a dumb move by MAGA Inc. that will probably backfire bigly. Stupid, unforced error. I hope that Trump will denounce this but won't be too surprised if he doesn't - another unforced error.
Posted by: Cheri at March 17, 2023 04:33 PM (oiNtH)
In high level football there are players who will, for reasons unknown, hit their own players if it amuses them at the moment.
Trump does 'unforced errors ' so often and with such dumb assery that methinks he Likes doing it. It is just his own, mysterious way of waging war. And it is always war , always forward with Trump.
As other here say, Trump fights.
There is no amount of talking thats going to solve the destruction the Communists have imposed on the USA.
We are in a fight for our very lives. And Trump will will lead that fight....while, for reasons unknown, often taking gratuitous, self-destructive shots at whomever he pleases.

Posted by: Voter theater. at March 17, 2023 04:58 PM (Ih0Cz)

344 trump is going to be in a nyc jail. he's not going to run. then they're going to epstein him. you will do nothing. no one will be punished.

biden will win 2024, enjoy zimbabwe

Posted by: sockamster, gator at March 17, 2023 04:58 PM (MLrvz)

345 For all these claims the Desantis is owned by the GOPe, they're really playing the long game by having Desantis turn Florida deep red by enacting a conservative wish list.

Now that's some 16-D chess right there.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at March 17, 2023 04:58 PM (KbCG3)

346 Not so fast. I see that Chris Christie is going to run.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at March 17, 2023 04:56 PM (nVLaF)

More like a waddle, really.

Posted by: Peaches at March 17, 2023 04:58 PM (14URa)

347 He's going to win, and we'll all be laughing at all the good times we had in the Trump/DeSantis wars by late February.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at March 17, 2023 04:52 PM (LvTSG)

———

That’s why I think DeSantis won’t run. He’ll let Trump run again and even go balls to the wall support during the campaign. 2028 will be clear to him no matter if Trump wins or loses 2024. If the country still exists.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at March 17, 2023 04:59 PM (cMXNt)

348 Trump won before when we thought he couldn't. With a change of tactics, why not again?

Posted by: fd at March 17, 2023 04:59 PM (iayUP)

349 Not so fast. I see that Chris Christie is going to run.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at March 17, 2023 04:56 PM (nVLaF)

He'll drop dead if he runs more than 20 feet to the buffet

Posted by: JoeF. at March 17, 2023 04:59 PM (mR6Gs)

350 Do we want another administration full of Omarosa's, Jarvanka's, Kanye's, and Scaramucci's.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at March 17, 2023 04:56 PM


What am I, chopped liver?

Posted by: The 'Stache at March 17, 2023 04:59 PM (clDM5)

351 304 Trump will never be allowed to win.

Won't happen. They will ratchet up the screaming to levels never imagined. People will vote against him, just like they did in 2020 just to make the screeching stop.

He. Can't. Win.
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 17, 2023 04:53 PM (vRoTw)
---------------

Agree. I don't know how many, but too many on our side still don't understand the left and pretend it can never get worse. Add to that - too many allegedly on our side, with the potential to stop the left, never stop them.

My representatives don't represent me. I don't know what to do any more.

Posted by: Johnny Cakes at March 17, 2023 04:59 PM (RG7Wy)

352 329 I really hope DeSantis doesn't run. His work as governor isn't done yet.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at March 17, 2023 04:57 PM (BdMk6)

This as well.

Posted by: Synova at March 17, 2023 04:59 PM (BD/yx)

353 335 ts. He was 60.

/////////

holy shit, that skinny guy dided?
Posted by: sockamster, gator at March 17, 2023 04:57 PM (MLrvz)

Skinny? That dude was jacked. And he was fantastic in every show he was in in spite of looking like an earth worm.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at March 17, 2023 05:00 PM (KbCG3)

354 Chris Christie? So long Pence, you've been trumped.

Posted by: Dr Spank at March 17, 2023 05:00 PM (2XjE8)

355 Reminds me of the Georgia runoff and right before J6 2021.

A lot of new nics trying to coerce us in their direction.
Posted by: redridinghood at March 17, 2023 04:56 PM (NpAcC)


Amazing! Shocking! Unbelievable!

Posted by: runner at March 17, 2023 05:00 PM (EeVCB)

356 I like trump and want him to run again and win.

BUT

he fucked up first term with knowingly bringing in anti-trump types into leadership. He picked Pence over Flynn when the FBI tried to frame Flynn w/o even having a 302.

He gave us Wray and Rosenstein. He rewarded Mitch.

DeSantis is going to have 10 guys he knows from Florida nicknamed Gator who are ride or die and are not going to fuck with shit cause gator aint never been about that shit.

Posted by: sockamster, gator at March 17, 2023 05:01 PM (MLrvz)

357 Not so fast. I see that Chris Christie is going to run.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at March 17, 2023 04:56 PM (nVLaF)



Roll maybe.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at March 17, 2023 05:01 PM (yQpMk)

358 @348

>>Trump won before when we thought he couldn't. With a change of tactics, why not again?

Trump did not lose in 2020, the election was stolen.

He will win a third time, but the election will probably be stolen again.

We're in a tough spot, but this notion that Trump lost 2020 needs to be dispensed with.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at March 17, 2023 05:01 PM (up/3i)

359 Anyone who uses the word, "methinks" spends a night in the box.


Seriously.


Posted by: Archer at March 17, 2023 05:01 PM (gmo/4)

360 Won't happen. They will ratchet up the screaming to levels never imagined."

They'll do the same if it's DeSantis. No difference.

Posted by: Ordinary American at March 17, 2023 05:01 PM (W+Xdn)

361 Not so fast. I see that Chris Christie is going to run.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at March 17, 2023 04:56 PM (nVLaF)

He'll drop dead if he runs more than 20 feet to the buffet
Posted by: JoeF. at March 17, 2023 04:59 PM (mR6Gs)

Naw, he's high-end. He plops himself in a way-too-small chair, glances at the menu and says, "I'll have the lot." *burps* *vomits*

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Angry Leprechaun at March 17, 2023 05:01 PM (xPJvm)

362 You guys are forgetting Pompeo is running. That's not a good look for Trump IMHO.

Posted by: polynikes at March 17, 2023 05:01 PM (7HLtt)

363 So "the masters" were OK with DeSantis kicking Disney in the nuts, right after he kicked groomer teachers in the .... hmmmmm...... whatever they might still have in that general area.

The establishment will let someone play in the state sandbox with some freedom, the better to show their "conservative" bona fides and get the base behind them. GWB was seen as a great governor in Texas, a true blue conservative. Obviously, he was anything but that as president.

The establishment will never allow anyone to change anything in DC. So anyone elected with the support of the establishment will be told, before Day 1, what they may and may not do. And they will obey because they owe their political career to the masters (who likely also have dirt on them).

Posted by: Mookie at March 17, 2023 05:02 PM (Y+2kU)

364 New thread

Posted by: Boone at March 17, 2023 05:02 PM (m5ncZ)

365 348 Trump won before when we thought he couldn't. With a change of tactics, why not again?
Posted by: fd at March 17, 2023 04:59 PM

Because the Dems changes vote counting/accumulating tactics in key locations, and Republicans haven't (and won't) counter. Trump can't change election law (and prosecution) in those key locations, so we're primed for another 2020. Wheee.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at March 17, 2023 05:02 PM (JCZqz)

366 I just think DeSantis is better at moving the ball without all the antagonism Trump's ego invites.
---
Trumpism without Trump = Go see the tribute band when the original is playing next door.

It's a "no sale" with a huge chunk of Republican voters.
We are not average Republican voters here.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at March 17, 2023 05:02 PM (Watld)

367 it's one thing to embrace ballot harvesting 4 years after your midterm loss but we now know that blue cities don't even read the ballots, they just count them over and over again

Posted by: sockamster, gator at March 17, 2023 05:02 PM (MLrvz)

368 I also don't see Disney changing much if at all. They are still woke beyond hope, including the clown outfit known as ESPN.

Posted by: Mookie at March 17, 2023 05:02 PM (Y+2kU)

369 I wouldn’t take much advice from Virginia Republicans. The GOP in that state is completely F’ed up.

I do agree though that liberal Republicans will stab everyone in the back as usual.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at March 17, 2023 05:02 PM (cMXNt)

370 Is it fair for DeSantis to bring up Trump's advisors Fauci and Birx? Well, politics is a contact sport, I keep hearing, and even if it weren't, bad policy choices are always fair game for critique."

Of course it is fair. I hope RDS tries to jam those two covid holocaust plotters down Trump's throat.
Trump needs tender scar tissue for the ultimate battle with the Commies.
Bring it RDS.

Posted by: Voter theater. at March 17, 2023 05:03 PM (Ih0Cz)

371 I’m not sure these shady PACs and actors are actually aligned with Trump. This seems like a leftwing op to chum the waters and sow discord. The left would love nothing more than an ugly brawl between Trump and DS at this way premature state. And here we have shadowy actors instigating just that? Very suspicious. Don’t fall for it.

Posted by: Elric Blade at March 17, 2023 05:03 PM (Q87vU)

372 Trump won before when we thought he couldn't. With a change of tactics, why not again?
Posted by: fd at March 17, 2023 04:59 PM (iayUP)
******
But Trump won't change his tactics.

The Trump hate will motivate the left more than abortion.

Posted by: redridinghood at March 17, 2023 05:03 PM (NpAcC)

373 Loose shit, Ace.
It was an ethics complaint.
And there is no evidence Trump was in any way involved.

Posted by: Nom de Blog at March 17, 2023 05:03 PM (UNQS9)

374 Look, can I say this?

I'm going to say what I really believe----Trump is a GIANT asshole.....who happens to bet he greatest President of My Lifetime.

Sometimes it works out that way

Posted by: JoeF. at March 17, 2023 05:04 PM (mR6Gs)

375 We're in a tough spot, but this notion that Trump lost 2020 needs to be dispensed with.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at March 17, 2023 05:01 PM (up/3i)

I believe they stole the vote in 2020 but Trump lost the popular vote in 2016 too. Did they pad the numbers there too? Possible.

Posted by: polynikes at March 17, 2023 05:04 PM (7HLtt)

376 Nood gay man upset that people don't want him to have sex with children

Posted by: Remember when BBC reported WTC7 had fallen due to fire 20 minutes before it collapsed? at March 17, 2023 05:04 PM (5OcwI)

377 Chris Christie, the master of bridge politics

Posted by: PeeWee Herman at March 17, 2023 05:04 PM (RHGPo)

378 It's threads like this that almost makes me want to pray for nuclear war.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at March 17, 2023 05:05 PM (BdMk6)

379 Obama lost about .4% voted in his reelection
Bush gained 15% in his
Clinton gained .5%
Bush senior is a loser, and Perot makes comparison unfair

Reagan gained 24% in his reelection, but I didn't realize an independent (Anderson) got about 6.5% of the vote in Reagan's initial election. That wasn't an issue in 84, and Mondale barely got more votes than Carter.

You don't see many historical parallels of elected officials GAINING 18% votes and losing their election.
Posted by: Moron Analyst at March 17, 2023 04:41 PM (JCZqz)

Well, yes. Donald Trump had an '84 sized vote gain, and it's why the planned cautious vote fraud had to be replaced at midnight with overt vote fraud.

What's interesting is that Conservative Inc. is still trying to minimize the January 6th prisoners and election fraud. These are in my top three issues, along with cleaning up the Epstein pedo network in the highest echelons of American society. Unlike Trump, DeSantis has brought up none of these. Well, hard luck for him. Taking over DisneyWorld and revoking liquor licenses are nice talking points, but nowhere near what it takes to be a viable candidate.

Posted by: trev006 at March 17, 2023 05:05 PM (DTm0P)

380 Excellent post Ace. Sums up exactly how I feel. Maybe doesn't sum up... it was kinda wordy. lol..you know I love you.

Posted by: jewells45 fuck cancer at March 17, 2023 05:05 PM (wagHN)

381 11 "Tell it like it is ace. That's all we ask."

Sounds best to me.

Posted by: Apply gp Directly To Forehead at March 17, 2023 05:05 PM (MvF+J)

382 If Trump is not the Republican nominee 2024, will people here claim THAT was stolen ? If it happens , and its is very likely, I a am afraid he will do something shitty like do a Perot, go third party and cost us the WH.

Posted by: runner at March 17, 2023 05:06 PM (EeVCB)

383 I believe they stole the vote in 2020 but Trump lost the popular vote in 2016 too. Did they pad the numbers there too? Possible.

Posted by: polynikes at March 17, 2023 05:04 PM (7HLtt)

——-

They literally didn’t call PA in 2016 for 6 hours after it was clear Trump won because they didn’t have the process in place to keep manufacturing ballots.

You’ll note that they kicked observers out of all polling places that turned the tide for Biden in 2020.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at March 17, 2023 05:07 PM (cMXNt)

384 Lately, I am always surprised when folks are upset with primary fights. Is the general election going to be a cakewalk? Steel sharpens steel. I want to see the pool stick broken, a sharpened stick handed to each candidate, best one wins. We need a candidate with a spine of steel to win the crooked general election.

Posted by: Scoob at March 17, 2023 05:07 PM (7rlWo)

385 I also condemn the stupid "omg you picked up a phone call on the wrong phone" attempt to get that crazy lady who's running against Schiff for Senate.

We "forgive" donation fraud from Rosie O'Donnell when "but I didn't know!" is no good excuse. And someone tries to sue Sarah Palin for giving an interview about her VP loss in her Governor's office. WTF? Where else is she supposed to give it?

OMG, DeSantis gave a campaign speech when he isn't officially campaigning!

Or that crazy commie lady in California made a phone call from where she happened to be?

It at least has to be POSSIBLE to follow campaign finance laws and picking nits on them, and I don't care WHO it is, is scummy behavior.

Now, should someone want to sue Zuckerberg for donations in kind to Joe Biden? I'm 100% with you. 100%.

Posted by: Synova at March 17, 2023 05:07 PM (BD/yx)

386 What does the Cult of Trump propose for 2028 and beyond? Or heck, 2026, when Trump is a lame duck (if he wins in 2024). To them, Trump is the only person in the history of the universe who is fit to be President and save the country in 2024. That's a fine proposition. But what happens in 2028? I guess we're screwed, because Trump is the only one possible to save the country. Just like he did the last time. I can already hear "there will be no 2028 without Trump!" Fine. So what we're fighting about here is weather we can have a couple more years before this thing all goes to hell for good?

Posted by: Mad Max in VA at March 17, 2023 05:07 PM (Gu48G)

387 Trump shouldn't alienate the governor, he needs his help if anything.

Posted by: humphreyrobot at March 17, 2023 05:08 PM (jIreZ)

388 Cheri there are Leftist moles in MAGA Inc no doubt at all. Trump is surrounded by subversives and he will never ever realize it
Posted by: BlackOrchid

Your right - I should have thought of that and didn't.

Posted by: Cheri at March 17, 2023 05:09 PM (oiNtH)

389 Assuming the federal election will be stolen, DeSantis should stay as governor of Florida. That way, there is one more state to flee to.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at March 17, 2023 05:09 PM (lTGtQ)

390 Posted by: trev006 at March 17, 2023 05:05 PM (DTm0P)

He's not a candidate. He's governor of Florida.

Posted by: polynikes at March 17, 2023 05:10 PM (7HLtt)

391 Let Trump be Trump, as he can be no other.
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion

This is true no matter what angle or with what lighting it's viewed.

Just thinking *seriously* about a Christie/Jeb! or Christie/Sununu or any other combo is an autolol.

Posted by: micky at March 17, 2023 05:10 PM (3byMq)

392 I believe they stole the vote in 2020 but Trump lost the popular vote in 2016 too. Did they pad the numbers there too? Possible.

Posted by: polynikes at March 17, 2023 05:04 PM (7HLtt)

The scale of urban ballot harvesting GENERALLY makes it impossible for Republicans to win the popular vote while maintaining their base. It also doesn't matter: unlike Hillary, Trump focused on actually winning the election and not running up "historic" margins.

As for losing the 2020 popular vote, that's just cucktalk. There's a reason people ridicule FJB for winning 81 GORILLION votes.

Posted by: trev006 at March 17, 2023 05:10 PM (DTm0P)

393 He's not a candidate. He's governor of Florida.
Posted by: polynikes at March 17, 2023 05:10 PM (7HLtt)

As long as that's true, I can afford to be very open minded about his record setting book deal and whirlwind fundraising tour with blue city donors. I'd actually admire his haul under such circumstances, because it would be a sweet grift against some very evil people.

Posted by: trev006 at March 17, 2023 05:13 PM (DTm0P)

394 In fact he should be asked about it, what will he do if he is not the nominee? Support the nominee or go 3rd party.

Posted by: runner at March 17, 2023 05:19 PM (EeVCB)

395 The sad part is Trump would rather Biden or some other WEF standin win than DeSantis.
---------

Sure he would. And he's gonna nominate his liberal sister to the Supreme Court.

Posted by: ... at March 17, 2023 05:20 PM (BXxcV)

396 Trump will lose ‘24, and his people will immediately stake out ‘28 as his—and destroy any challengers.

You can either have a shot that a different Republican can stem the tide of what’s happening, or you can throw your fealty and vote to a losing narcissist that won’t go away.

When the court is stacked by a beatable dem—remember—it was your “hair of the dog that fucked you,” approach that did it.

Posted by: Marleysghost at March 17, 2023 05:27 PM (xZfwB)

397 Desantis is the favorite? Why did he change his messaging then? Rich Baris said that Desantis is collapsing the polling. There's no way he beats Trump in Iowa or SC.

Posted by: Cory C at March 17, 2023 05:29 PM (eni3w)

398 Sure he would. And he's gonna nominate his liberal sister to the Supreme Court.
Posted by: ... at March 17, 2023 05:20 PM (BXxcV)

I've been hearing this for years. Desimps seem to be recast Cruz bots.

Posted by: Cory C at March 17, 2023 05:30 PM (eni3w)

399 284 271... DeSantis will be more effective because when he first got in, he squeaked by in a purple state. Since then, FL has moved dramatically redder and has gained popularity because of his policies and philosophy.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel Remembers Babbitt and Perna at March 17, 2023 04:48 PM (aXxgO)
***
Get this through your heads:
1. Desanctimonious didn't change Florida. More than a half a million Republican voters moving into the state since 2020 changed the state.
2. The 2022 GOP election gains were negligible because a massive number of Trump supporters stayed home as we said we would after the 2020 GOP election backstab.

We will stay home if there's any hint the presidential candidate is eGOP controlled.

Desanctimonious supporters will fall into line. eGOPers always blink first.

Posted by: Jopnik NekiM at March 17, 2023 05:32 PM (vdts/)

400 We will stay home if there's any hint the presidential candidate is eGOP controlled.


Heh.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at March 17, 2023 05:34 PM (yQpMk)

401 Love it. Keep it up.

Posted by: Ted Torgerson DeSantis/Lake 2024 at March 17, 2023 05:35 PM (vN+oL)

402 Meh Don't really care. The Democrats will do far worse to him if he gets the nomination. No Republican can run the Biden*-in-the-basement strategy and stay above the fray.

The more I see of DeSantis, the less I like him. As governor DeSantis has a history of "small ball": that is, he only goes into battle on issues he is positive he will win. The trouble with that strategy is that he is at the mercy of the Republicans in the legislature since he is picking the low-hanging fruit at the expensive of the important battles. And the Republicans in Tallahassee do not have the same nuclear-hot hatred of Republican voters that DC Republicans do. A GOP President who followed DeSantis' "play not to lose" strategy would quickly find himself at the mercy of Franz von Papen Republicans such as McConnell, Murkowski, Romney, Collins, Kennedy, etc. The results would be as bad as what we are seeing now.

So it is time for DeSantis to do what so far he has been loathe to do: take on Republicans. Otherwise he may as well wear McConnell's dog collar and crawl on all fours.

Posted by: Mhandisi at March 17, 2023 05:37 PM (IXANy)

403 Trump 100%. He's incredibly imperfect, listens to the wrong people has way too much confidence in his gut feelings. He's also the ONLY one in my lifetime to put America First. There's no way he wins Ace and it disappoints me that you still seem to think there can be a real national election. Katie Hobbs didn't even bother to campaign, she just shut down the voting process and nobody cares. The way things are going Trump will be my last national election vote, I'm in Florida and won't vote for Scott or Rubio again they've done nothing about the real problem in this country which is corrupt elections.

Posted by: Maxrake at March 17, 2023 05:42 PM (vXrim)

404 FWIW my choice of St Patrick's music is The Drop Kick Murphys.

Posted by: That Northern skulker at March 17, 2023 05:46 PM (VdGjU)

405 This kind of childish bullshit is pushing me away from Trump to DeSantis.

Posted by: Happy at March 17, 2023 06:03 PM (lfF1a)

406 for the life of me , I dont understand why Trump never went after the Dem governors who killed off their elderly in nursing homes. some were even reelected.

Posted by: Avi at March 17, 2023 06:04 PM (cBCwV)

407 400 We will stay home if there's any hint the presidential candidate is eGOP controlled.


Heh.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at March 17, 2023 05:34 PM (yQpMk)

***
"Heh" is right gramps. There's enough of us now to expedite the inevitable - call it what you like - apathy or pigheaded non participation - the days of you reveling in the Foxnews vs CNN vs
MSNBC circle jerks are over.

Posted by: Jopnik NekiM at March 17, 2023 06:07 PM (vdts/)

408 Popping in for a prayer request. Our Church patriarch, Ray, who is in his nineties and was baptized at the church and is a veteran of the Korean War-(He was in the Navy ) was out with a friend, tripped over a box, broke his hip and is having hip surgery right now, Please pray for the surgical team and for Ray. We all love him so.. Thx, dear ones

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 17, 2023 06:17 PM (FUVRY)

409 Whoops-Posted on the wrong thread. Sorry

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 17, 2023 06:22 PM (FUVRY)

410 The whining about the lawsuit is riveting but has anyone considered looking at FL law to analyze if there is any merit to it? I guess not.

Posted by: Pat at March 17, 2023 06:57 PM (BT2N8)

411 If Trump had 2020 stolen from him, all that does is make him a schmuck who can't beat the left, not a victim.

Posted by: Pat at March 17, 2023 07:29 PM (VgyDo)

412 I have enjoyed reading all of the comments. Very funny. Trump has no path to victory in 24 - he can't win any of the states he lost in 20. And for that matter, with the exception of maybe Georgia, DeSantis can't either.

Trumpers - DeSantis is not Jeb! RDS Fans - Trump says things for effect and looks for a response. Get used to it.

24 is about winning enough Senate seats (with more MAGA types) to make Mitch's last two years as majority leader a living hell.

Posted by: Black JEM at March 17, 2023 10:20 PM (UVyKP)

413 Oh, yeah, totes. The stolen election of 2020 was TRUMP'S fault. Holy shit you people are RETARDED

Posted by: deadrody at March 17, 2023 11:03 PM (pZxfz)

414 Don’t worry, your fellow RDS supporters at the Bulwark and their commie allies have teamed up to indict Trump so he can’t run.

Posted by: VAR1ABLE at March 17, 2023 11:15 PM (nMWVL)

415 Nothing is more knee-jerk than a Trumpservative. I wish they'd just go back to being life-long Pedocrats.

Posted by: insurgens ad opus at March 18, 2023 01:45 AM (lSTul)

416 If Trump had 2020 stolen from him, all that does is make him a schmuck who can't beat the left, not a victim.
Posted by: Pat at March 17, 2023 07:29 PM (VgyDo)
----

Agreed. He had a country full of men ready to be called up to secure the election. Instead, he rolled over and hit snooze.

Posted by: insurgens ad opus at March 18, 2023 01:47 AM (lSTul)

417 There's enough of us now to expedite the inevitable - call it what you like - apathy or pigheaded non participation - the days of you reveling in the Foxnews vs CNN vs
MSNBC circle jerks are over.
Posted by: Jopnik NekiM at March 17, 2023 06:07 PM (vdts/)
-----

Yes. Voting for the lesser of two evils is still choosing evil. I won't do it anymore. I'm in the pigheaded non participation camp.

The more Pedocrats enact their agenda, the closer we get to war. Let's do the war and take our medicine.

Posted by: insurgens ad opus at March 18, 2023 01:49 AM (lSTul)

418 No worries Ace, you say what you think is right. You are the Last Samurai m Everyone else - Reynolds, Hinderaker, Althhouse - has failed the free speech.

Lord knows about half of my opinions were formed from listening to you.

Posted by: Fen at March 18, 2023 02:38 AM (+LcMo)

419 Ace, you summariize my feelings about Trump and DeSantis precisely.
Having lots of spirited debates with my many Trump supporting friends.

Posted by: Gobagoo at March 18, 2023 07:57 AM (p6YZo)

420 You know, I was ready to be open minded to Ron DeSantis running (but not really running, yet) against the man who got him over the line in his first Governorship race.

But then I read imbecilic cunts on this site claim that it’s Trump’s fault the eGOP RINOs in battleground states either laid down or colluded with Democrats to “fortify” the 2020 election, and yeah, NO!

Fuck that. Meatball Ron can fuck himself.

And I ain’t paid squat from Trump or Trump World.

Just a guy who grew up in NYC when it sucked pre-Giuliani who saw President Trump do things (such as repair and open the ice skating rink in Central Park to the public) that the incompetent, broke, government of the largest city in the USA could not do.

I will never abandon President Trump, and to all those who benefited from the increase in the economic standing of the working poor and lower income during the first three years of his Presidency, who are now abandoning him; you deserve your daily colonoscopy from the eGOP and Democrats.

Posted by: Dummy #43 at March 18, 2023 11:27 AM (FkMTW)

421 Laslof is definitely one of the hive at Conservative Treehouse. Those folks are Trump crazy. Any sort of question or criticism and they want to destroy you. And please don’t tell me Sundance is a grocery store manager

Posted by: Dolly Parton at March 18, 2023 12:17 PM (QYuAC)

422 Also, the guy running the MAGA PAC is Trumps former spokesperson so Trump knows exactly what he’s doing.

Posted by: Dolly Parton at March 18, 2023 12:27 PM (QYuAC)

423 If I were wanting to create dissent in "Magaland", I'd bankroll a Maga organization to sow discord among the Maga ranks. And, I'd hire a former Trump "hanger-on" susceptible to cashing iron the scheme. If the claim is false, it will collapse on its own. While I think RDS plays better in 2028, the "donor class" wants Trump out NOW, and have bankrolled RDS handsomely. He will have Nicky Halley trying to cast PDJT as misogynistic, while Tim Scott does like duty attempting to cast PDJT as racist among the BIPOC crowds.

Remember... RDS is backed in this endeavor by Jeb Bush AND Paul Ryan... And "Mittens" Romney... enough reason for me to not support their con game.

Posted by: Augusto Perez at March 18, 2023 01:30 PM (I6Dx9)

424 On the other hand, The Bidenate corruptocracy is pulling all the stops to get rid of Trump... Remember, the two Party scheme is essentially one team wearing different jerseys, so chances are some of RDS donors also gave to Biden. The outsider (PDJT) is the best option to defenestrate these criminals out of the taxpayer's trough, and begin a process of more Jacksonian government. No more wars of "democratist" nation-building. No more "continuing resolution" financing. He is not "perfect"; but for this task, he is fit enough.

Posted by: Augusto Perez at March 18, 2023 01:30 PM (I6Dx9)

425 Uh, the bit about this "maga super pac". I wonder if it occurred to the author here that this was concocted by the leftist. And despite Trump's BS I'm STILL voting for him straight out or as a write in. Again, do these jumpers to the shiny new USS DeSantis understand that if he (DeSantis) gets the nomination he doesn't get to bring the FL. state house, senate, AG, nor the FL. state sheriff's assoc. with him? What did Trump get in Jan. 2017 and STILL. This is called LIVED EXPERIENCE. At this point any of you DeSantis suckups willing to risk him? Past even this it may BE already too late to salvage this Country. Some of you are really fucking stewpidt.

Posted by: tintx at March 18, 2023 04:05 PM (8PuN1)

426 "I'll never vote for him and his openly globalist positions." - Laslof

We get it already. We don't need 1,600 comments saying the same, damn thing.

Posted by: Bea Arthur's Dick at March 18, 2023 08:16 PM (TU8Tj)

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