THE MORNING RANT: Bleeding Red Ink, Ford Boldly Decides to Lose Money on Individual EV Sales…then Make It Up in Volume; Plus a Few Things to Smile About

Of Ford Motor Company’s 1.64 million vehicles sold in 2022, barely 61,000 were electric vehicles, comprising a whopping 3.3% of total sales. So where is the company putting its money and focus? Oh, you know.

In fact, Ford is terminating valuable engineers and other personnel involved in traditional internal combustion car manufacturing, all in an effort to free up money for its cash-sucking EV boondoggle.

Well, this won’t help…

Ford Cuts Prices on Electric Mustang Mach-E, Following Tesla’s Lead [CNBC – 01/30/2023]

The Detroit automaker said Monday it will lower pricing of the Mach-E, which is comparable to Tesla’s Model Y, by an average of about $4,500, depending on the model.
…the price cuts will mean not all Mach-E models, based on the trim, will be profitable on a per-unit basis, according to Marin Gjaja, Chief Customer Officer of Ford’s electric vehicle business. He said Mach-E production is expected to increase from 78,000 vehicles to 130,000 units annually.
“We are responding to changes in the marketplace,” Gjaja said during a media briefing, referencing new federal EV incentives and Tesla’s price cuts.

So Ford is going to lose money on a per unit basis, but try to make it up in volume. That’s a bold strategy.

By the way - what the heck is a Chief Customer Officer?

Anyhow, since Ford is “responding to changes in the marketplace” by losing money on a per unit basis on its electric vehicles – a product on which it has foolishly staked its future - this next story isn’t too surprising…

Ford CEO Farley “Frustrated” by $2 Billion Loss for 2022

...for the full year, Ford brought in $158.1 billion in revenue. That’s a 16% increase compared with 2021’s full year revenue number of $136.3 billion. As noted, the company lost $2 billion for the full year, unlike the prior year where it reported net income of $17.9 billion.

With Ford religiously pursuing the EV fantasy, its profitability took a negative turn of almost $20 billion year over year. Ford is a catastrophically mismanaged company and investors are taking note.

Ford Stock Hit by Deutsche Bank Downgrade [Investor Place – 02/03/2023]

Ford stock is falling on Friday after the automobile company’s shares were hit with a downgrade.
Deutsche Bank analysts are behind the downgrade as they dropped Ford stock from a “hold” rating to a “sell” rating.

Here is more news that won’t help any EV manufacturer that is promoting the idea that electric cars are cheaper to drive than gas powered cars:

Electric Vehicles More Expensive to Fuel Than Gas-Powered Cars [Fox Business – 01/28/2023]

Research shows that rising electricity prices and stabilizing gas prices made internal combustion engine cars more economical than their electric counterparts in late 2022.

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What’s worse than an EV catching on fire in a garage? How about an EV catching on fire aboard an ocean liner.

Do you remember the story of the Felicity Ace last year? It was transporting thousands of vehicles from Europe to America when it caught fire and had to be abandoned.

Guess what cargo kept burning and burning…

From Autoweek:

“ The Wall Street Journal has spoken with a spokesperson for the salvage crew working on the burning cargo ship, who confirmed that "part of the fire is the batteries in electric vehicles on board that are still burning." The paper said that according to Portuguese navy officials and salvage workers who have seen a cargo manifest, "it is clear that many of the cars on board are electric vehicles." The fire, which started on Wednesday, has continued to burn into the weekend.”

A fleet of burning EVs aboard a transport ship is terrifying. So, one Norwegian shipping company isn’t taking that risk any longer.

Norwegian Shipping Company Bans Electrified Vehicles Over Fire Fears [CarScoops – 01/19/2023]

The company [Havila Krystruten] mostly carries passengers and goods on the route, but now says that it will only carry private vehicles with internal combustion engines. Havila Krystruten cited fire safety as the main reason for its decision.
While it is not clear what led the company to run the external investigation, fears of fires on ships were stoked by a recent incident in the Atlantic. The Felicity Ace caught fire at sea last year and, although the cause of the fire has not been determined, there were vehicles with batteries aboard the ship, leading to speculation that they may have been responsible for the blaze.

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Before I let go of the EV issue for the day, one more thing…

I often talk about how the “electric vehicle transition” will not happen, because it cannot happen. There aren’t enough mines, or resources, or foreign slave laborers to produce the necessary raw materials.

The ruling class who is hostile to your freedom has always been aware of this. Their goal isn’t really to get us out of our gas-powered cars and into electric vehicles. Their goal is to totally deny us the freedom of personal transportation we have long taken for granted.

But they’re having a hard to keeping their goal quiet. This is Scientific American revealing the real agenda:

Scientific American - No Cars at all including EV.JPG

”…showing the need to move away from private cars as a primary means of travel.”

No.

This is why I’m so opposed to EVs, because the EV transition and related bans on gas powered cars are really just a trojan horse for the purpose of banning all personal vehicles.

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Enough about EVs, let’s have a laugh or two. When you think about it, isn’t Odyssey kind of a weird name for Honda’s minivan?

Gals, with Valentine’s Day approaching, be careful about asking to be treated like a princess.

And guys, speaking of Valentine’s Day, you ought to consider something other than flowers and chocolates this year.

Thanks to commenter Doof for sending over this next cartoon in recognition of Throckmorton’s First Law of Live Music.

Bottom of Ninth, Bassists were loaded - from Doof.JPG

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Reminder About Heartland Institute’s Climate Realism Conference in Orlando in Two Weeks

Just a reminder – I’ll be at the Heartland Institute's Climate Realism conference in Orlando on Feb 23 – 25. Out of gratitude to the AOS horde for helping a video of theirs go viral on Rumble after it was blocked by You Tube, Jim Lakely at Heartland is offering AOS readers a $250 discount off the $500 price by using the code “MORON.” This is the link.

Representative Lauren Boebert was recently added as a keynote speaker, so I’m personally excited for the opportunity to meet her, along with the many other “climate deniers” who will be speaking.

I’d also be delighted to meet any of y’all. If you’re going, please drop me a line at the email address below.

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Songs of the Season

Valentine’s Day is in just four days, so how about a love song? Here is Raul Malo performing the Everly Brothers classic Let It Be Me, accompanied by a beautiful arrangement of piano and string instruments.

I bless the day I found you
I want to stay around you
And so I beg you
Let it be me
Don't take this heaven from one
If you must cling to someone
Now and forever,
Let it be me
Each time we meet, love
I find complete love
Without your sweet love
What would life be?
So, never leave me lonely
Tell me you’ll love me only
And that you'll always
Let it be me

Have a great weekend.

[buck.throckmorton at protonmail dot com]

Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at 11:00 AM

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1 First! Sponge!

Posted by: TJM's phone at February 09, 2023 08:44 PM (LvTSG)

2 Podium

Posted by: Skip at February 10, 2023 11:00 AM (WCOdG)

3 Morning.

Posted by: Robert at February 10, 2023 11:01 AM (jaBdw)

4 I got that first, and I worked hard for it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some Best Pictures at February 10, 2023 11:01 AM (LvTSG)

5 SPONGE!!!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 10, 2023 11:01 AM (Wnv9h)

6 Heh. Engineers. Value Added guys. Never HR for some reason...

I wonder how many DEI positions they have?

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at February 10, 2023 11:02 AM (zZu0s)

7 Guess what cargo kept burning and burning…

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That's got to be almost as much CO2 into the atmosphere as my nuclear powered house puts out in, like, a day.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some Best Pictures at February 10, 2023 11:02 AM (LvTSG)

8 Yes Buck they are foregoing profits now in the hope of capturing market share.
Probably a bit too complicated for you.

Posted by: Paul at February 10, 2023 11:03 AM (XNg0S)

9 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at February 10, 2023 11:03 AM (Zz0t1)

10 ”…showing the need to move away from private cars as a primary means of travel.”

From my cold, dead lead foot.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at February 10, 2023 11:03 AM (Zz0t1)

11 Electric vehicles are 3rd or 4th cars for rich people.

Posted by: rhennigantx at February 10, 2023 11:04 AM (BRHaw)

12 Posted by: Paul at February 10, 2023 11:03 AM (XNg0S)

You DICK!!!!

Posted by: Jeff Spicoli at February 10, 2023 11:04 AM (Zz0t1)

13 ...showing the need to move away from...

Our current set of scientists?

Posted by: Diogenes at February 10, 2023 11:04 AM (anj39)

14 Posted by: Paul at February 10, 2023 11:03 AM (XNg0S)

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It could work...if electric cars suddenly become much more popular than they are now after literally years of propagandizing for them from every corner of the culture.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some Best Pictures at February 10, 2023 11:04 AM (LvTSG)

15 By the way - what the heck is a Chief Customer Officer?
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The CCO is a newer position, and this is the first one I've heard of outside of high tech (we've had a "CCO" at my company for several years now). The CCO is, ostensibly, in charge of customer relationships and programs. Often product support, consulting services, trade shows, etc. fall under the CCO. CCOs, in my experience, are *not* in control of product direction but has, at best, input into the product development process. They can provide advice or make requests, but they don't get to make demands or set the roadmap.

It's weird to me that a major manufacturer would have a CCO at all (they already have a dealer network that handles the customer interface directly, and they presumably regularly survey the dealers to learn what the hell the customer wants) and they all already did market research. It's also weird that they'd trot the CCO out to talk about sales volumes and product direction.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 10, 2023 11:05 AM (t0OGg)

16 "will mean not all Mach-E models, based on the trim,"

I believe The Paolo always buys cars based on the trim.

Posted by: Wally at February 10, 2023 11:05 AM (FJYfm)

17 If you wanna make an omelet, you hafta break a few eggs.
Ford is just another egg on the path to our glorious future, comrades.

Posted by: Che, looking off to the middle distance at nothing at February 10, 2023 11:06 AM (FCbAQ)

18 By the way - what the heck is a Chief Customer Officer?

CEO's nephew.

Posted by: Diogenes at February 10, 2023 11:06 AM (anj39)

19 What was the ultimate fate of the Felicity Ace? Was it salvaged, or did it sink?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 10, 2023 11:07 AM (tkR6S)

20 So Ford is going to lose money on a per unit basis, but try to make it up in volume. That’s a bold strategy.
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This can *only* work if you're loss-leading in the first generation to buy your into a market or make a new market. Losing per unit to establish your market presence or develop your market can be sensible, and has worked in various industries many times (Microsoft's Xbox comes immediately to mind), but those are typically not "bet the business" exercises.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 10, 2023 11:07 AM (t0OGg)

21 EV's are disposable vehicles and will be essentially a worthless paperweights within ten years of purchase.

The other unseen issue is that an end user simply cannot work on EV's safely, there is a 800v system that drive the motors and regenerative systems.

EV's are stupid and silly at every level of analysis.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at February 10, 2023 11:07 AM (up/3i)

22 It's also weird that they'd trot the CCO out to talk about sales volumes and product direction.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 10, 2023 11:05 AM (t0OGg)

Patsy.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at February 10, 2023 11:07 AM (FCbAQ)

23 No Paul, they've already got market share. They are putting themselves in the position of losing bazillion of dollars so the the US Treasury will write them a multi trillion dollar bail out check. "We were just doing what you told us to do."

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 10, 2023 11:07 AM (r46W7)

24 EV's are the wave of the future.

A dark, bleak, meager future where I will be pulling my truck around with horses like the folks did in the Twilight Zone episode of "The Old Man In The Cave".

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 10, 2023 11:07 AM (R/m4+)

25 I once admired Ford because it didn't take any of Uncle Sugars filthy lucre when gm and chrysler did.

Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at February 10, 2023 11:08 AM (flINI)

26 I think Vanilla Ice said it best. "ICE, baby, ICE."

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Not a Real Simulation at February 10, 2023 11:08 AM (FVME7)

27 Well, "Odyssey" actually means "Song of Odysseus".

But it's still funny.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at February 10, 2023 11:08 AM (XlE1Z)

28 So, is the CCO in charge of what used to be called “customer relationship management (CRM)?”

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at February 10, 2023 11:08 AM (ffbyg)

29 The video is lovely, but nothing beats the Everly's close harmony.

Posted by: sal: tolle adversarium et afflige inimicum at February 10, 2023 11:08 AM (wE246)

30 Yes Buck they are foregoing profits now in the hope of capturing market share.
Probably a bit too complicated for you.
Posted by: Paul at February 10, 2023 11:03 AM (XNg0S)

Hey! It worked for Betamax.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 10, 2023 11:08 AM (tkR6S)

31 This is why I’m so opposed to EVs, because the EV transition and related bans on gas powered cars are really just a trojan horse for the purpose of banning all personal vehicles.
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But of course. Every and always, something awful and hateful and destructive to the people is the root motivation. It's all they have, and it manifests in all they do.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 10, 2023 11:09 AM (t0OGg)

32 Felicity Ace went to Davy Jones Locker. Apparently the hull finally burned through.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 10, 2023 11:09 AM (r46W7)

33 Great post Buck.

The Norwegian thing is hilarious. An oil-rich country, formerly one of the most sensible down-to-earth societies on earth, continues to role play and indulge the idiotic science-free fantasy of "green" - up to a point. Like where it will get people killed and ships sunk, now.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 10, 2023 11:09 AM (OTzUX)

34 Losing money but our ESG score is lit.

Also: Texas told Citibank to get stuffed.

Posted by: These Fish Sticks Are Hard As Tits at February 10, 2023 11:09 AM (3AD8C)

35 I wonder if someone will invent a sort of sand-filled (or asbestos-lined) "coffin" for EVs for ocean transport. They might still catch fire, it will catch fire in a fireproof box that will let it burn itself out safely.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 10, 2023 11:09 AM (t0OGg)

36 Hey Paul.

How long can one forego profit in the attempt to grab market share? How profitable is it? Shouldn't the government just subsidize it and force everyone to buy a Ford EV? Bin Laden is dead and Ford is alive?

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at February 10, 2023 11:09 AM (Zz0t1)

37 Yes Buck they are foregoing profits now in the hope of capturing market share.
Probably a bit too complicated for you.
Posted by: Paul at February 10, 2023 11:03 AM (XNg0S)

That's it! The little upstart Ford should try for market share! If only Ford could get market share. If only they were one of, say, the largest car manufacturers. A "Big 3," if you will.

Posted by: Wally at February 10, 2023 11:10 AM (FJYfm)

38 What was the ultimate fate of the Felicity Ace? Was it salvaged, or did it sink?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 10, 2023 11:07 AM (tkR6S)

It set ground on the shore of a deserted isle.

Posted by: Diogenes at February 10, 2023 11:10 AM (anj39)

39 It is astonishing that car manufacturers are so eagerly pursing a product that the market IS NOT PREPARED TO USE.

Even if we all wanted EVs tomorrow, IT CANNOT HAPPEN.

They are the Ready, Fire, Aim crowd.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at February 10, 2023 11:10 AM (lf83v)

40 36 Hey Paul.

How long can one forego profit in the attempt to grab market share? How profitable is it? Shouldn't the government just subsidize it and force everyone to buy a Ford EV? Bin Laden is dead and Ford is alive?
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at February 10, 2023 11:09 AM (Zz0t1)

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He'll be back in a minute. That Ashley Biden diary was calling.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some Best Pictures at February 10, 2023 11:10 AM (LvTSG)

41 Well, "Odyssey" actually means "Song of Odysseus".

But it's still funny.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at February 10, 2023 11:08 AM (XlE1Z)

And it was just an appendix to the Iliad.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 10, 2023 11:10 AM (tkR6S)

42 I remember that "Surprise her..." sign. It was on the road to Port Aransas, right?

Posted by: Oddbob at February 10, 2023 11:10 AM (nfrXX)

43 I don't know much about shipping or sailing, but from what I've seen on the YouTubes, fire on board a ship/boat is one of the most dangerous things that can happen, which is why all larger boats are equipped with redundant fire suppression systems that are checked and re-checked religiously.

I can totally understand why ships would refuse to carry EVs due to the risk of fire hazard.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at February 10, 2023 11:10 AM (YIVH2)

44 Steve Krakauer@SteveKrak
Here comes the truth about John Fetterman, in today's New York Times - months too late:
"When it’s bad, Mr. Fetterman has described it as trying to make out the muffled voice of the teacher in the 'Peanuts' cartoon, whose words could never be deciphered."
. . . .
"a physical impairment and serious mental health challenges that have rendered the transition extraordinarily challenging"

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Now do Biden.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Not a Real Simulation at February 10, 2023 11:11 AM (FVME7)

45 Yes Buck they are foregoing profits now in the hope of capturing market share.
Probably a bit too complicated for you.
Posted by: Paul at February 10, 2023 11:03 AM (XNg0S)

Market share of a one-time purchase before the market dries up due to "unsustainability".
Doesn't sound like a winner to me, but I'm not the guy in charge of making sure the feds backstop my losses with taxpayer money.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at February 10, 2023 11:11 AM (FCbAQ)

46 43 I can totally understand why ships would refuse to carry EVs due to the risk of fire hazard.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at February 10, 2023 11:10 AM (YIVH2)

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They should just email the cars.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some Best Pictures at February 10, 2023 11:11 AM (LvTSG)

47 It's always been obvious that moving to electric is designed to impoverish and enervate the middle class. The environmental movement has been about that since its inception. You'll never convince average Americans of this no matter how many Bond villain quotations you produce though.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at February 10, 2023 11:11 AM (KFhLj)

48 The Felicity Ace met the same fate as the Shelf-building Ace.

Posted by: Wally at February 10, 2023 11:11 AM (FJYfm)

49 The Felicity Chuy is still afloat, however.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at February 10, 2023 11:12 AM (ffbyg)

50 44 Steve Krakauer@SteveKrak
Here comes the truth about John Fetterman, in today's New York Times - months too late:
"When it’s bad, Mr. Fetterman has described it as trying to make out the muffled voice of the teacher in the 'Peanuts' cartoon, whose words could never be deciphered."
. . . .
"a physical impairment and serious mental health challenges that have rendered the transition extraordinarily challenging"

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Now do Biden.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Not a Real Simulation at February 10, 2023 11:11 AM (FVME7)

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But Oz said crudite.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some Best Pictures at February 10, 2023 11:12 AM (LvTSG)

51 'Let It Be Me" was co-written by a Frenchman, Gilbert Becaud. I think Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass even did an instrumental version of it on an early album. And Wiki says that Betty Everett (the "Shoop Shoop Song (It's in His Kiss)" did a version w/ Jerry Butler.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at February 10, 2023 11:12 AM (J2vNu)

52 =======

He'll be back in a minute. That Ashley Biden diary was calling.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some Best Pictures at February 10, 2023 11:10 AM (LvTSG)

I don't blame him. That shit is HOT, I tell you.

Posted by: Hunter Biden at February 10, 2023 11:12 AM (Zz0t1)

53 Honda has a new electric. The Accordless.

Posted by: Diogenes at February 10, 2023 11:12 AM (anj39)

54 Paul is quick to the thread this morning...Fortunately, the Horde is equally quick to mock his stupid, vapid remarks.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at February 10, 2023 11:12 AM (YIVH2)

55 Yes Buck they are foregoing profits now in the hope of capturing market share.
Probably a bit too complicated for you.
Posted by: Paul
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"Hope" is not a plan.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at February 10, 2023 11:12 AM (lf83v)

56 Ford has a better idea!

Mustang II-Boredom Zero!

Only Mustang makes it happen-Mustang, Mustang '68!

Posted by: Ex-Ford Man at February 10, 2023 11:13 AM (wrJpE)

57 Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 10, 2023 11:07 AM (R/m4+)

The horses will be needed to pull plows, and we don't have anything like enough horses or plows (or the knowledge of how to make more plows in a non-industrial setting) to feed more than a fraction of the population.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at February 10, 2023 11:13 AM (nC+QA)

58 The other unseen issue is that an end user simply cannot work on EV's safely, there is a 800v system that drive the motors and regenerative systems.

Rich Benoit made a working Tesla out of 2 or 3 salvage-title wrecks, and a lot of other YouTubers are now following his lead. Working safely on electricity isn't magic, and if you're dumb enough to get in trouble there you're also dumb enough to be one of those people trying to drop a gas tank with a welding torch.

Posted by: Ian S. at February 10, 2023 11:13 AM (ZGrMX)

59 That's it! The little upstart Ford should try for market share! If only Ford could get market share. If only they were one of, say, the largest car manufacturers. A "Big 3," if you will.
Posted by: Wally at February 10, 2023 11:10 AM (FJYfm)
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A new-to-them market is still a new market. But it is an extremely risky play and quite bizarre.

When a company decides to burn capital to buy its way into a market (or develop a new market), it is usually one of two things:
1. A giant firm going after a profitable and major market, but one adjunct to its core business (see: Microsoft and the Xbox)
2. A smaller, single-purpose trying to bring an invention to market and get big fast so they can move the price up and survive (see: Tesla)

This play by Ford is neither of those things. They're behind on EV development, but they're a major car manufacturer who should be able to figure it out. This should be a "low-profit or breakeven while we tool up and achieve volume" situation, not a "we lose money on every transaction in a crowded competitive field while we try to figure out why we're losing money" situation.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 10, 2023 11:13 AM (t0OGg)

60 Yes; Herb Alpert did cover "Let It Be Me" on his very first TJB album. I thought I remembered that.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at February 10, 2023 11:13 AM (J2vNu)

61 I wonder if someone will invent a sort of sand-filled (or asbestos-lined) "coffin" for EVs for ocean transport. They might still catch fire, it will catch fire in a fireproof box that will let it burn itself out safely.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 10, 2023 11:09 AM (t0OGg)

Methinks they put the flammable stuff above decks so they can be jettisoned into the drink, rather than sink the boat.
There were some Porsches and Audis that went up in smoke and overboard not too long ago, right?

Posted by: OneEyedJack at February 10, 2023 11:14 AM (FCbAQ)

62 Studies have shown women get better mileage with EVs than men.
They don't use their blinkers.

Posted by: Diogenes at February 10, 2023 11:14 AM (anj39)

63 Environmentalists should be required to walk or bike to the factories that produce their electric cars and not respirate while doing so since CO2 is so bad for the environment.

But mostly not breathe.

Posted by: Sasquatch, the Original Trans-Wookie at February 10, 2023 11:15 AM (xxG/v)

64 Ford, it's so sad. From the beginning Ford was an independent man and so was his company. It fought FDR to the bitter end.

I guess the Ford family has gone sponge brain.
Sometime, in the early eighty's iirc, a network camera crew using a Ford SUV had a wreck in which some of the crew died.

Although proved that the tires were under inflated and the vehicle was over weight the network won a lawsuit against Ford. One of the Ford family went on the TV talk circuit to no avail.

That generation of Ford independence is gone.
It's going to be either a Toyota or Hyundai.

Posted by: Braenyard at February 10, 2023 11:15 AM (kMJ0v)

65 Gals, with Valentine’s Day approaching, be careful about asking to be treated like a princess.
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*snort*

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 10, 2023 11:15 AM (t0OGg)

66 "Hope" is not a plan.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at February 10, 2023 11:12 AM (lf83v)

Well, this ruins everything.

Posted by: Minnesota Vikings Fans at February 10, 2023 11:15 AM (FJYfm)

67 Posted by: Paul at February 10, 2023 11:03 AM (XNg0S)

In case some of you are wondering why some troll droppings are left undisturbed, just take a look at this one.

The stupidity should be preserved for eternity!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 10, 2023 11:15 AM (XIJ/X)

68 It's 280 miles from here to San Antonio. One of our band parents bought a new Mach-E (offensive, Ford. Blasphemous, even) and decided to drive it down for the BOA / UIL State weekend.

They had to stop twice on the way down for 45 minutes a crack to charge it, just to make it.

Battery cars are staggering horseshit.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at February 10, 2023 11:15 AM (Zz0t1)

69 Studies have shown women get better mileage with EVs than men.
They don't use their blinkers.
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What about high beams?

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at February 10, 2023 11:15 AM (lf83v)

70 Probably better off with catfish.

Posted by: Eromero at February 10, 2023 11:15 AM (1vBNQ)

71 From the beginning Ford was an independent man and so was his company. It fought FDR to the bitter end.

The Ford Foundation is now one of the major sources of funding for "progressive" non-profits.

Posted by: Ian S. at February 10, 2023 11:16 AM (ZGrMX)

72 Buck-

Thanks for the tip of your hat in your post the other day.

Let me know if you have an email and maybe I can buy you a coffee.

Posted by: Minuteman at February 10, 2023 11:16 AM (LaNzR)

73 Malo cover of Let it Be Me is lovely, but Everly Brothers get too much credit as they did not write it, or even write the English version.

Posted by: CN at February 10, 2023 11:16 AM (Zzbjj)

74
Great job on the podcast, Buck. All you morons should listen in.

In the sidebar.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 10, 2023 11:16 AM (x0n13)

75 EV's are stupid and silly at every level of analysis.
Posted by: Thomas Bender

RFC: style guide changes
The acronym 'EV' to be abolished while adding two usable terms of replacement
1. battery operated
2.disposable

Posted by: micky at February 10, 2023 11:17 AM (3byMq)

76 Ford CEO Farley “Frustrated” by $2 Billion Loss for 2022

Chris Farley?

Posted by: rickb223 at February 10, 2023 11:17 AM (SbJgO)

77 Apple is creating an EV for use aboard ships.
It's called the iAye.

Posted by: Diogenes at February 10, 2023 11:17 AM (anj39)

78 44 Steve Krakauer@SteveKrak
Here comes the truth about John Fetterman, in today's New York Times - months too late:
"When it’s bad, Mr. Fetterman has described it as trying to make out the muffled voice of the teacher in the 'Peanuts' cartoon, whose words could never be deciphered."
. . . .
"a physical impairment and serious mental health challenges that have rendered the transition extraordinarily challenging"

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Now do Biden.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Not a Real Simulation at February 10, 2023 11:11 AM (FVME7)

***********

How will inserting "Wah wa-wah wa-wah-wah" endlessly into one of the megabills that nobody reads (and also given that no one in power actually follows the written law any longer, too) make any difference?

Posted by: Sasquatch, the Original Trans-Wookie at February 10, 2023 11:17 AM (xxG/v)

79 It's weird to me that a major manufacturer would have a CCO at all (they already have a dealer network that handles the customer interface directly, and they presumably regularly survey the dealers to learn what the hell the customer wants) and they all already did market research. It's also weird that they'd trot the CCO out to talk about sales volumes and product direction.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 10, 2023 11:05 AM (t0OGg)

I read recently that Ford is dropping their dealerships and moving to buying directly from Ford.

Posted by: Beartooth at February 10, 2023 11:18 AM (N52dd)

80 I think Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass even did an instrumental version of it on an early album.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at February 10, 2023 11:12 AM (J2vNu)

He was a perennial at ballroom dance class, but as we were not there to slow dance, never heard that one.

Posted by: sal: tolle adversarium et afflige inimicum at February 10, 2023 11:18 AM (wE246)

81 Ford CEO Farley “Frustrated” by $2 Billion Loss for 2022

Chris Farley?
___

Living in a van down by the river.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at February 10, 2023 11:18 AM (lf83v)

82 They are raping the earth to create batteries that are unsustainable and cannot be recycled.

For the planet.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at February 10, 2023 11:18 AM (Zz0t1)

83 The EV absurdity is really the perfect quintessential example of the dumbing down of society. Everything about it is laughable and baseless. There's zero public goods value to any of it, so subsidies and accommodations are indefensible. It's not practical. It's not sustainable or viable (beyond niche-market toy, for which there are endless tiny possibilities in a wealthy society) economically or practically.

It showcases the vapid virtue-signaling idiocy of huge segments of the population.

And on some angles it engages the airheaded totalitarian obsessions of cretinous "elites", as the Scientific American thing hilariously illustrates. It's almost as comprehensive as those mind-blowing signs people put on their lawns, in which they unwittingly proclaim their ignorance, racism, bigotry, and moral narcissism for all to see.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 10, 2023 11:18 AM (OTzUX)

84 53 Honda has a new electric. The Accordless.
Posted by: Diogenes at February 10, 2023 11:12 AM (anj39)

Heh. Took me a minute.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at February 10, 2023 11:18 AM (v23vE)

85 Yes Buck they are foregoing profits now in the hope of capturing market share.

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You can't eat market share.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Not a Real Simulation at February 10, 2023 11:18 AM (FVME7)

86 @58

>>Rich Benoit made a working Tesla out of 2 or 3 salvage-title wrecks, and a lot of other YouTubers are now following his lead.

There are millions of people who wrench on ICE cars, there will not be millions of people wrenching on EV's and that is by design.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at February 10, 2023 11:18 AM (up/3i)

87 Rich Benoit made a working Tesla out of 2 or 3 salvage-title wrecks, and a lot of other YouTubers are now following his lead. Working safely on electricity isn't magic, and if you're dumb enough to get in trouble there you're also dumb enough to be one of those people trying to drop a gas tank with a welding torch.
Posted by: Ian S. at February 10, 2023 11:13 AM (ZGrMX)

I am sure that I could do it, if I had enough documentation. But I have about zero desire to own an electric vehicle. If I did, I would have already built one. Some little bucket with a 25 mile range would get me to and fro from town at my home place. But even at today's fuel prices, a quick trip to town costs me less than a buck, so why?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 10, 2023 11:18 AM (tkR6S)

88 Steve Krakauer@SteveKrak
Here comes the truth about John Fetterman, in today's New York Times - months too late:
"When it’s bad, Mr. Fetterman has described it as trying to make out the muffled voice of the teacher in the 'Peanuts' cartoon, whose words could never be deciphered."
. . . .
"a physical impairment and serious mental health challenges that have rendered the transition extraordinarily challenging"

"IF YOU DON'T VOTE FOR HIM, YOU HATE THE HANDICAPPED!!!! BIGOT!!!!"

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at February 10, 2023 11:19 AM (Zz0t1)

89 The EV absurdity is really the perfect quintessential example of the dumbing down of society. Everything about it is laughable and baseless. There's zero public goods value to any of it, so subsidies and accommodations are indefensible. It's not practical. It's not sustainable or viable (beyond niche-market toy, for which there are endless tiny possibilities in a wealthy society) economically or practically.
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Yep, though there *are* legitimate applications for it, I think. Small-scale stuff like personal transportation (scooters and bicycles, for instance). Just nothing massively large scale.

We have a bunch of construction going on where I work. I walked by it and reflected that there is NO WAY any of that could be handled by EVs. It's diesel or nothing.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at February 10, 2023 11:20 AM (YIVH2)

90
Ford is a curious case... They seem to be deliberately immolating their business for this virtue signal. I think they are banking on (and may have advance knowledge of) a complete ban of IC vehicles, and are trying to get ahead of it. And I think they may have some guarantee of a massive bailout for advancing this agenda, in the event it bankrupts them in the meantime.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at February 10, 2023 11:20 AM (oINRc)

91 Yes Buck they are foregoing profits now in the hope of capturing market share.
___________

So, in other words, the Degenerate Gambler Business Plan.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at February 10, 2023 11:20 AM (lf83v)

92 Ford CEO Farley “Frustrated” by $2 Billion Loss for 2022
Chris Farley?
Posted by: rickb223

I'M NOT ALIVE IN AN EV VAN DOWN BY THE RIVER!!!

Posted by: Zombie Chris Farley at February 10, 2023 11:20 AM (FQWHA)

93 I'm not going to screw up the post by trying to post a link, but look up Mark Mills - The Energy Transition Delusion, and watch the video.

45 minutes of proof that the move to EV is technically, politically, and physically impossible.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at February 10, 2023 11:20 AM (lTGtQ)

94 "let it be me" by the Everlys, what a soulful tune.

The other love song from that era that gives me goose bumps is "Cherish" by The Association. It's not just the words, but the musical arrangement that is * chef's kiss*

Posted by: kallisto at February 10, 2023 11:20 AM (dCxaZ)

95 I read recently that Ford is dropping their dealerships and moving to buying directly from Ford.
Posted by: Beartooth at February 10, 2023 11:18 AM (N52dd)
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Ah, okay. I could sort of see it, in that case. Except that I can't really see the point of the CCO anyway, since the job is really two things that are already handled:
1. Operations (we have COOs for that)
2. Product and customer support (we have Sr. VPs of Support for that)

In the case of the tech firms where I've worked, the "CCO" was always a case of title inflation. The Senior Veep of Support grew his empire to slice off some of the internal consulting business and get himself a phony C-level job title. Every time I've seen it. I don't know if this is how it goes outside of high tech, but I've seen it inside high tech more than once.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 10, 2023 11:21 AM (t0OGg)

96 "a physical impairment and serious mental health challenges that have rendered the transition extraordinarily challenging"

"IF YOU DON'T VOTE FOR HIM, YOU HATE THE HANDICAPPED!!!! BIGOT!!!!"
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at February 10, 2023 11:19 AM (Zz0t1)

I never believed it was simply expressive aphasia

Posted by: CN at February 10, 2023 11:21 AM (Zzbjj)

97 Yet Ford has no intention of making the actual Mustang a battery OR hybrid vehicle.

However, they're getting back into F1 in 2028 or so with a hybrid entry.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at February 10, 2023 11:21 AM (Zz0t1)

98 Norwegian Shipping Company Bans Electrified Vehicles Over Fire Fears [CarScoops – 01/19/2023]

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Can't they build some deep freeze cargo ship containers for electrified vehicles that are powered by giant electric batteries?

/Havila Krystruten Chief Customer Officer

Posted by: ShainS -- I'm a Freeborn Man of the USA at February 10, 2023 11:22 AM (3wO3I)

99 What does a guy with diarrhea and a guy with an electric car have in common?

They both hope they make it home.

Posted by: Diogenes at February 10, 2023 11:22 AM (anj39)

100 Rich Benoit made a working Tesla out of 2 or 3 salvage-title wrecks, and a lot of other YouTubers are now following his lead.

There are millions of people who wrench on ICE cars, there will not be millions of people wrenching on EV's and that is by design.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at February 10, 2023 11:18 AM (up/3i)
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Even a car novice like me can figure out basic maintenance like changing spark plugs or oil filters (though I leave it to the pros because I'm lazy).

What's the basic maintenance required for an EV?

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at February 10, 2023 11:22 AM (YIVH2)

101 I laughed when Musk dropped his pricing. Savage move, if obvious. Bought more Tesla stock.

Posted by: Thesokorus at February 10, 2023 11:22 AM (1ais2)

102 Ford is a curious case... They seem to be deliberately immolating their business for this virtue signal. I think they are banking on (and may have advance knowledge of) a complete ban of IC vehicles, and are trying to get ahead of it. And I think they may have some guarantee of a massive bailout for advancing this agenda, in the event it bankrupts them in the meantime.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at February 10, 2023 11:20 AM (oINRc)
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The bailouts will come fast and furious.

But part of the motivation at least is Red China. China has aggressive standards for adoption of what they call "new energy vehicles" and if you want to sell in China, you'd better have EVs. This is probably foolish if it's the motivation because of China's likely structural decline and shrinking population, but it's a big market regardless.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 10, 2023 11:22 AM (t0OGg)

103 Democrats in the state of New York have introduced a bill to ban children from playing tackle football, arguing that it puts them at undue risk of injury. Dubbed the John Mackey Youth Football Protection Act in honor of former NFL player John Mackey, a New York native who died of traumatic encephalopathy (CTE) in 2011, the bill aims to ban all tackle football for children 12 and under.

Posted by: RTC at February 10, 2023 11:22 AM (RHGPo)

104 I think they are banking on (and may have advance knowledge of) a complete ban of IC vehicles, and are trying to get ahead of it. And I think they may have some guarantee of a massive bailout for advancing this agenda, in the event it bankrupts them in the meantime.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice

Yes, that is the official plan. It will work out well, as the majority of people with pitchforks won't have an IC vehicle to get to DC with. And, of course, the bailout money already went to Wuhan Flu bailouts and Ukraine, so there isn't any more.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at February 10, 2023 11:22 AM (lTGtQ)

105 It's 280 miles from here to San Antonio. One of our band parents bought a new Mach-E (offensive, Ford. Blasphemous, even) and decided to drive it down for the BOA / UIL State weekend.

They had to stop twice on the way down for 45 minutes a crack to charge it, just to make it.

Battery cars are staggering horseshit.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden

It maybe time to invest in buggy whips.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Not a Real Simulation at February 10, 2023 11:23 AM (FVME7)

106 From the beginning Ford was an independent man and so was his company. It fought FDR to the bitter end.

The Ford Foundation is now one of the major sources of funding for "progressive" non-profits.

Posted by: Ian S. at February 10, 2023 11:16 AM

Same thing happened with the hershey company. Self made man who started a business that grew into a huge company. He founded a literal City with his own money to help underprivileged kids and now the hershey foundation has been taken over by liberal zealots.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at February 10, 2023 11:23 AM (uNylN)

107 Of Ford Motor Company’s 1.64 million vehicles sold in 2022, barely 61,000 were electric vehicles, comprising a whopping 3.3% of total sales.

--

(lays $20 on table)

Not even 5% of those 61K are to private individuals / families and the rest are government and corporate sales/leases.

Posted by: Trainwreck: Billions of people stuck with a broken immune response at February 10, 2023 11:23 AM (EdaAK)

108 50 But Oz said crudite.

What is this in reference to?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at February 10, 2023 11:23 AM (ffbyg)

109 Have you seen the new Mustang?

That's not a Mustang. It's trash.

I own a 2011 convertible Mustang and will never give it up.

Posted by: mpfs , In a permanent state of confusion at February 10, 2023 11:23 AM (Q9/40)

110 What's the basic maintenance required for an EV?
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at February 10, 2023 11:22 AM (YIVH2)
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Very little. It's one of the selling points. It will still need washer fluid, brakes and tires (a lot of tires - EVs are hell on tires). Beyond that, essentially none - right up until it requires a whole hell of a lot all at once.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 10, 2023 11:23 AM (t0OGg)

111 9/1/22

The California Independent System Operator, which runs the state’s power grid, issued multiple bulletins this week warning of “extreme heat” during the Labor Day weekend that is “likely to strain the grid with increased energy demands.”

The grid operator was asking residents to voluntarily reduce their power consumption by avoiding using “large appliances and charging electric vehicles” during peak usage hours of 4 p.m. to 9 p.m.

Posted by: rhennigantx at February 10, 2023 11:23 AM (BRHaw)

112 What's the basic maintenance required for an EV?
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at February 10, 2023 11:22 AM (YIVH2)

Replace the brake pads, and top up the blinker fluid?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 10, 2023 11:24 AM (tkR6S)

113 Domino's Pizza is making a big deal in their commercials about converting the delivery vehicles to EV's, for the planet.

At the same time, they're offering customers a $3 tip for ordering online and PICKING UP their order.

Square that circle.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at February 10, 2023 11:24 AM (Zz0t1)

114 They don't need to confiscate your car.

Just close gas stations by law, regulations, or making it prohibitively expensive to operate.

It's already happening.

Posted by: I've got bad news for you at February 10, 2023 11:24 AM (i7tmW)

115 It's almost as comprehensive as those mind-blowing signs people put on their lawns, in which they unwittingly proclaim their ignorance, racism, bigotry, and moral narcissism for all to see.
Posted by: rhomboid at February 10, 2023 11:18 AM (OTzUX)

I view those signs as prog doxology.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at February 10, 2023 11:24 AM (nC+QA)

116 showing the need to move away from private cars as a primary means of travel.
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A volcano eruption pumps more CO2 in the air than a year's worth of CO2 contributed by human activity. China puts more CO2 in the air than any other nation, but gets a pass. Atmospheric satelite temps show almost no warming this century. Historical temp records are being algorithmically updated to lower them from contemperanous records in order to keep the fiction going of increasing temperatures. Ice core temps show increases in CO2 that follow temperature increases suggesting a warming planet releases CO2 deposits naturally. CO2 ppm was near historic lows during recent mini-ice age and increases corresponded with pre-industrial warming trend. CO2 is plant food. This whole human caused climate change is fraudulent. If I were president, this is what I would say in the State of Union speech.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at February 10, 2023 11:25 AM (fs1hN)

117 There are millions of people who wrench on ICE cars, there will not be millions of people wrenching on EV's and that is by design.

I agree that's the intent, but things may have gotten out of the government's control there already.

Posted by: Ian S. at February 10, 2023 11:25 AM (ZGrMX)

118 Ford managed to destroy all the conservative goodwill they had resisting being "government motors."

Great work guys.

Posted by: sven at February 10, 2023 11:25 AM (Lzpvj)

119 "IF YOU DON'T VOTE FOR HIM, YOU HATE THE HANDICAPPED!!!! BIGOT!!!!"

Congratulations, PA. You gave up half of your representation in the Senate for a virtue signal.

Posted by: Oddbob at February 10, 2023 11:25 AM (nfrXX)

120 Honestly, if Schwab wanted to move everyone to zepplin transport I would be jackbooting all your lazy pleb faces into bowls of bugs.

God how I would love to take my personal zepplin to the bar and get knee walking and then float home or wherever I ended up.

Posted by: Thesokorus at February 10, 2023 11:25 AM (1ais2)

121 Ford has a better idea!

Mustang II-Boredom Zero!

Only Mustang makes it happen-Mustang, Mustang '68!
Posted by: Ex-Ford Man at February 10, 2023

***
"Ford LTD: The Standard By Which Luxury Cars Are Judged"!

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at February 10, 2023 11:25 AM (J2vNu)

122 I cannot figure out what the big 3 are doing in car creation. Shifting over to EV completely is... inconceivable, they cannot make enough money to stay open, especially selling cars at a loss. Its utterly baffling to me.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 10, 2023 11:26 AM (0hOvj)

123
Great. When Ford goes belly up, where am I going to get an F-150?

Posted by: portlandon at February 10, 2023 11:26 AM (+oR7L)

124 @93
And like every other mandate and prohibition is more proof of willful menacing

Posted by: micky at February 10, 2023 11:26 AM (3byMq)

125 I cannot figure out what the big 3 are doing in car creation. Shifting over to EV completely is... inconceivable, they cannot make enough money to stay open, especially selling cars at a loss. Its utterly baffling to me.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 10, 2023 11:26 AM (0hOvj)

"You must be stupid."

-- - Paul

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at February 10, 2023 11:27 AM (Zz0t1)

126
It will work out well, as the majority of people with pitchforks won't have an IC vehicle to get to DC with.

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Oh, I think the goal is for regular jagoffs to have no car at all. It's not as if our decaying country can scale up its grid for this dumb shit. We can't do anything big ever again.

Cars will be a luxury of the rich. And have the maximum quality, only. Like a Zil.

Our Communists don't want to share the road with proles in Ladas. They'll have big flashy pieces of shit, and nobody else gets anything.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at February 10, 2023 11:27 AM (oINRc)

127 Every organization founded that is not explicitly conservative from the beginning will, over time, become communist. Even some that ARE conservative end up wandering into communism

Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at February 10, 2023 11:27 AM (flINI)

128 Electric cars were around 50 or so years before the ICE. You'd think they would have caught on by now, if they were practical and reliable.

Posted by: Fool Otto at February 10, 2023 11:27 AM (DB16e)

129 I cannot figure out what the big 3 are doing in car creation. Shifting over to EV completely is... inconceivable, they cannot make enough money to stay open, especially selling cars at a loss. Its utterly baffling to me.

ESG controls corporate America now. They don't answer to you, they answer to Trigglypuff.

Posted by: Ian S. at February 10, 2023 11:27 AM (ZGrMX)

130 Electric car meme:

https://tinyurl.com/5dhrv37f

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 10, 2023 11:27 AM (D+F6R)

131 When Ford goes belly up, where am I going to get an F-150?

"We'll bail them out!"
--Money printing machines go brrrrrrrrrr

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 10, 2023 11:27 AM (0hOvj)

132 Buck I hope the conference will focus on the real issue - the lack of any scientific basis for *any* "climate" nonsense. Because that's the reality, and not addressing the basis for it all just leaves rational informed people arguing over the extent and pace of destruction of prosperity and liberty.

With the endumbening of society and especially the collapse of science and brainwashing vs. actual education of the younger generations, I don't see this absurd and pernicious grift/power-grab being ended in my lifetime. But every day the focus is on "costs" and "feasibility" and not the lack of any reason whatsoever for any of it is another day a return to rational baseline is delayed.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 10, 2023 11:27 AM (OTzUX)

133 Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 10, 2023 11:26 AM (0hOvj)

Well we live in the day of increasing globalist fascism, they will do what it takes to stay in business and not be shut down.

Posted by: CN at February 10, 2023 11:27 AM (Zzbjj)

134 Our Communists don't want to share the road with proles in Ladas. They'll have big flashy pieces of shit, and nobody else gets anything.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at February 10, 2023 11:27 AM (oINRc)
++++
Zils. Ugh.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 10, 2023 11:28 AM (t0OGg)

135 122 I cannot figure out what the big 3 are doing in car creation. Shifting over to EV completely is... inconceivable, they cannot make enough money to stay open, especially selling cars at a loss. Its utterly baffling to me.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 10, 2023 11:26 AM (0hOvj)

Well if EV becomes the only option, long run it should become profitable on a per unit basis. The prices would likely be much higher and so support a generally smaller market though, so some automanufacturers would necessarily disappear.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at February 10, 2023 11:28 AM (eYoxG)

136 The horses will be needed to pull plows, and we don't have anything like enough horses or plows (or the knowledge of how to make more plows in a non-industrial setting) to feed more than a fraction of the population.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at February 10, 2023 11:13 AM (nC+QA)

Neither Pol Pot nor Mao quailed at such stumbling blocks, and are we not better and more deeply informed than they?

Posted by: Kindltot at February 10, 2023 11:28 AM (xhaym)

137 Why does Paul hate the environment and love slave labor?

Posted by: Fool Otto at February 10, 2023 11:28 AM (DB16e)

138 Great. When Ford goes belly up, where am I going to get an F-150?
Posted by: portlandon at February 10, 2023 11:26 AM (+oR7L)

They'll do like Dodge did with their truck line when Fiat bought them. No one will buy a truck made by Fiat. RAM, on the other hand......

Spin it off to another company called "F Series."

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at February 10, 2023 11:28 AM (Zz0t1)

139 I think they are banking on (and may have advance knowledge of) a complete ban of IC vehicles, and are trying to get ahead of it.

--

o_O

It has been openly spoken of for quite a while. California has already put a date on their full ban IIRC, and multiple states have legislation in place requiring them to follow California's CARB decisions, so those states will ban theirs, too.

Biden *just* outright said we've got ten years before they stop selling gas and oil to us little nobodies.

The big driver is China, though, and they're requiring 40% EVs by 2030 (what a coincidence it's 2030 again!). They're the biggest market for cars, so our manufacturers couldn't care less about us. We can buy what they make China, and that's absolutely the plan. They're not going to have two drivetrains.

Regardless, our legislation just so happens to also be following China's communist mandates, which just so happens to correspond with the UN's Agenda 21.

It's all connected, and it's all to destroy the productive West.

Posted by: Trainwreck: Billions of people stuck with a broken immune response at February 10, 2023 11:28 AM (EdaAK)

140 Why does Paul hate the environment and love slave labor?
Posted by: Fool Otto at February 10, 2023 11:28 AM (DB16e)

Because he's a communist douchebag.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at February 10, 2023 11:28 AM (Zz0t1)

141 Do EVs have an expect flames signal on the dashboard?

Posted by: N.Lurker at February 10, 2023 11:29 AM (eGTCV)

142 There are millions of people who wrench on ICE cars, there will not be millions of people wrenching on EV's and that is by design.
Posted by: Thomas Bender

'57 Chevy.
Because when someone opens a garage in 70 years, they won't be excited to find a 2020 Chevy Leaf.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 10, 2023 11:29 AM (SbJgO)

143 They'll do like Dodge did with their truck line when Fiat bought them. No one will buy a truck made by Fiat. RAM, on the other hand......

They already had "Dodge" as a dodge for that though.

Posted by: Ian S. at February 10, 2023 11:29 AM (ZGrMX)

144 Why does Paul hate the environment and love slave labor?
Posted by: Fool Otto at February 10, 2023 11:28 AM (DB16e)
++++
Because being a reflexive drone who supports the current thing means never having to say you're sorry.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 10, 2023 11:29 AM (t0OGg)

145 Kallisto @94, yes!!

Posted by: skywch at February 10, 2023 11:29 AM (uqhmb)

146 Serious Fetterman question - I never knew anything about him until last year, so is this a case of "Biden Syndrome" where he was always pretty stupid, and now the medical issues have pushed him over the edge, or was he a somewhat bright (if delusional Leftist) guy before the stroke?

Posted by: Wally at February 10, 2023 11:29 AM (FJYfm)

147 News of the missile flyover was accompanied by further instability in Moldova, as CNBC reports, the Moldovan government has effectively collapsed amid the ongoing pressure due to the war just across the border. "Moldova’s Prime Minister Natalia Gavrilita said Friday that her government was resigning following a volatile 18 months in power and an ongoing war at its border."

Posted by: SMOD at February 10, 2023 11:29 AM (RHGPo)

148 Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere

HS buddy's father had an LTD w/390 in it. '70 I think.
Sweet ride.

Posted by: micky at February 10, 2023 11:29 AM (3byMq)

149 137 Why does Paul hate the environment and love slave labor?
Posted by: Fool Otto at February 10, 2023 11:28 AM (DB16e)

========

Because he's a communist.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some Best Pictures at February 10, 2023 11:29 AM (LvTSG)

150 Well, I drive a Corvette disguised as a Monster Jeep Wrangler, I've done all of the work myself with the exception of swapping the engine, which I could have done if I had the time.

Nobody is going to be doing any of that sh*t on an EV.

The whole concept of, hey maybe I want to swap in a different EV engine or EV battery system will not be in the realm of possibility, what you get is what you get and you'll like it and in 8 to ten years you junk it and or spend a shit ton of money on it.

Again, the first cars ever developed were EV cars, the market has spoken about these types of vehicles 100 years ago, these pieces of garbage are being crammed down on us by monsters and madmen.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at February 10, 2023 11:29 AM (up/3i)

151 I view those signs as prog doxology.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at February 10, 2023 11:24 AM (nC+QA)

Yes, they are. "In this house we believe "Science is real", Love is Love" , etc. They just don't have to recite it on Sunday. It's on their lawn for all to see.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 10, 2023 11:30 AM (D+F6R)

152 Electric car meme:

https://tinyurl.com/5dhrv37f
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 10, 2023 11:27 AM (D+F6R)

Your future hurricane evacuation route.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at February 10, 2023 11:30 AM (Zz0t1)

153 Why does Paul hate the environment and love slave labor?
Posted by: Fool Otto at February 10, 2023 11:28 AM (DB16e)

Because he is a murderous bigot who dreams of genocide.

Posted by: Kindltot at February 10, 2023 11:30 AM (xhaym)

154 More on EVs. For many, it might be more along the line of career training for future chop shop operations & ownerships.

US DEPARTMENT OF LABOR ANNOUNCES MERCEDES-BENZ USA, JOB CORPS PARTNERSHIP TO TRAIN STUDENTS FOR AUTO TECHNICIAN CAREERS
Initial training on four campuses in Kentucky, Massachusetts, New Jersey, Utah

(In part) WASHINGTON – To help meet the need for auto technicians in the growing electric vehicle industry, the U.S. Department of Labor today announced a national partnership with Mercedes-Benz USA to train Job Corps students initially at centers in Kentucky, Massachusetts, New Jersey and Utah for automotive industry careers.

The agreement between the global automaker and the nation’s largest job training and education program will enable Mercedes-Benz USA to develop the curriculum, train Job Corps instructors to deliver it, provide technical support and donate materials, tools and equipment needed to educate the students.

The public-private partnership is designed to create pathways for students from 16 to 24 years of age toward good-paying jobs as auto technicians, including potential employment with Mercedes-Benz.

Posted by: Lola at February 10, 2023 11:30 AM (Wxlzw)

155 I think Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass even did an instrumental version of it on an early album.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at February 10, 2023
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He was a perennial at ballroom dance class, but as we were not there to slow dance, never heard that one.
Posted by: sal: tolle adversarium et afflige inimicum at February 10, 2023

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His first 2 albums sounded tinny, as if recorded in a garage (and they might have been!). By his 3rd, though, the real sound is there. He was a big seller in the mid-Sixties. The theme for the comic Casino Royale spoof movie with David Niven, Orson Welles, and Woody Allen is his.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at February 10, 2023 11:30 AM (J2vNu)

156
Again, the first cars ever developed were EV cars, the market has spoken about these types of vehicles 100 years ago, these pieces of garbage are being crammed down on us by monsters and madmen.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at February 10, 2023 11:29 AM (up/3i)

They learned the same thing about Ethanol, yet look where we are now.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at February 10, 2023 11:31 AM (Zz0t1)

157 What does a guy with diarrhea and a guy with an electric car have in common?

They both hope they make it home.

Posted by: Diogenes at February 10, 2023 11:22 AM (anj39)

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There's a banana-in-the-tailpipe joke in there somewhere ...

Posted by: ShainS -- I'm a Freeborn Man of the USA at February 10, 2023 11:31 AM (3wO3I)

158
I wonder how long they'll even keep up a farce of public transit. For long haul, trains will be necessary. But I figure the future is "stay in your Metaverse pod and drink your soylent. If you *must* leave the pod, walk."

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at February 10, 2023 11:31 AM (oINRc)

159 153 Why does Paul hate the environment and love slave labor?
Posted by: Fool Otto at February 10, 2023 11:28 AM (DB16e)

Because he is a murderous bigot who dreams of genocide.
Posted by: Kindltot at February 10, 2023 11:30 AM (xhaym)

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We already said communist.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some Best Pictures at February 10, 2023 11:31 AM (LvTSG)

160 Fetterman is irrelevant.

I have a woke replacement ready.

Posted by: Dem Gov of PA at February 10, 2023 11:31 AM (i7tmW)

161 Posted by: Wally at February 10, 2023 11:29 AM (FJYfm)

He wasn't stupid. He graduated in finance and got an MBA. Now it seems like nobody's home.

Posted by: CN at February 10, 2023 11:31 AM (Zzbjj)

162 Posted by: Wally at February 10, 2023 11:29 AM (FJYfm)

If he was bright, the evidence for it seemed to be sadly lacking in his role as Mayor the town in PA which he was Mayor of before coming to the Senate , and anyone reporters asked who lived there said he did nothing.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 10, 2023 11:32 AM (D+F6R)

163 The future:

Elites will have ICE cars. Serfs will have public transportation.

Thank goodness, I'll be dead.

Posted by: Archer at February 10, 2023 11:32 AM (gmo/4)

164 National Change Bank > Ford

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at February 10, 2023 11:32 AM (lEVn+)

165 Do EVs have an expect flames signal on the dashboard?
Posted by: N.Lurker at February 10, 2023 11:29 AM (eGTCV)

You have 30 seconds to evacuate when it starts playing the theme music to "Chicago Fire."

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at February 10, 2023 11:32 AM (Zz0t1)

166 The Felicity Chuy is still afloat, however.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at February 10, 2023 11:12 AM

The motor yacht The Big Dummy Lamont is due to launch in May.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 10, 2023 11:32 AM (Wnv9h)

167 So is the plan to turn Detroit into a petting zoo?

Posted by: Puddihead at February 10, 2023 11:33 AM (XHZzR)

168 The whole concept of, hey maybe I want to swap in a different EV engine or EV battery system will not be in the realm of possibility, what you get is what you get and you'll like it and in 8 to ten years you junk it and or spend a shit ton of money on it.

Both the majors and a lot of indies offer "EV crate engines", including computers you actually control (unlike the ones sold in off-the-shelf EVs). EV conversions of, yes, '57 Chevys are a big deal with a lot of people.

Posted by: Ian S. at February 10, 2023 11:33 AM (ZGrMX)

169 I cannot figure out what the big 3 are doing in car creation. Shifting over to EV completely is... inconceivable, they cannot make enough money to stay open, especially selling cars at a loss. Its utterly baffling to me.

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It makes sense when you connect the dots to 15 minute cities and the UN's Wildlands Network, both of which are real, coordinated efforts currently in place at the government level.

"We maintain a coalition of organizations in the United States unified around a vision of more significant federal investment to protect our shared natural heritage. Together, we develop and advocate for policy change in Washington, D.C. that will restore, reconnect and rewild America to benefit wildlife and future generations."

https://wildlandsnetwork.org

They don't intend for you to drive. They absolutely don't intend for you to go out into the country.

Posted by: Trainwreck: Billions of people stuck with a broken immune response at February 10, 2023 11:33 AM (EdaAK)

170 Domino's Pizza is making a big deal in their commercials about converting the delivery vehicles to EV's, for the planet.

"Thank you for your order! Our next delivery window opens after recharging at..."

Posted by: t-bird at February 10, 2023 11:33 AM (CaJIi)

171 ----------

There's a banana-in-the-tailpipe joke in there somewhere ...
Posted by: ShainS -- I'm a Freeborn Man of the USA at February 10, 2023 11:31 AM (3wO3I)

That's hot.

Posted by: Pete Buttigieg at February 10, 2023 11:33 AM (Zz0t1)

172 Domestic manufacturers lobbied for the Inflation Reduction Act, and they and the administration determined the price where the EV incentives would cut off to come in just below Tesla prices. Because, you know, Tesla is non-union, doing this was good for the workers!

So Musk cuts prices on Tesla models forcing Ford to do the same.

Musk isn't losing money on Tesla even at the lower prices.

Oops. Oopsie!

Posted by: blaster at February 10, 2023 11:33 AM (pwExq)

173 Well if EV becomes the only option, long run it should become profitable on a per unit basis.

But it won't be, ever. Not only will there have to be emergency vehicles and heavy machinery that uses gasoline, but people will cling to their gas powered cars like Cubans. This is going to be a short-term experiment that will end with them quietly starting to make IC cars again.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 10, 2023 11:34 AM (0hOvj)

174 So is the plan to turn Detroit into a petting zoo?
Posted by: Puddihead at February 10, 2023 11:33 AM (XHZzR)

It's already a zoo, but I wouldn't pet the animals.

Posted by: Pete Buttigieg at February 10, 2023 11:34 AM (Zz0t1)

175 I wonder how long they'll even keep up a farce of public transit. For long haul, trains will be necessary. But I figure the future is "stay in your Metaverse pod and drink your soylent. If you *must* leave the pod, walk."
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at February 10, 2023 11:31 AM (oINRc)
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Nah. You can ride automated people-movers between pods or from your pod sector to the train station. With passes and an adequate social credit score, of course. If you want to go anywhere but some other pod complex, though, then you'll be arrested and sent to a lithium mine for trying to escape your proper place.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 10, 2023 11:34 AM (t0OGg)

176 We already said communist.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some Best Pictures at February 10, 2023 11:31 AM (LvTSG)

I'm convinced that the communist part comes after the WEF part. The Obamunist types will pretend to ride to the rescue, purge the oligarchy and take over "for the good of the people". They people will cheer, but won't be better off.

Posted by: CN at February 10, 2023 11:34 AM (Zzbjj)

177 Argh.....

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at February 10, 2023 11:34 AM (Zz0t1)

178 The elites think they can live without oil.

What's in a barrel of oil?
https://bit.ly/3YgYk74

Check the thousands of products in the last 15%.

Granted, when you aren't making as much fuel, then you can use more for the bottom 15%. The problem with that is scale. Since you don't need as much, they won't pump as much.

Suddenly the price of a barrel of oil goes from $70 a barrel to $700 a barrel.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 10, 2023 11:35 AM (SbJgO)

179
The Ford Flex (the model without Eco-boost) is the finest car ever produced.

Ugly to some, but owners and dealerships and Iowahawk agree.

Posted by: Auspex at February 10, 2023 11:35 AM (j4U/Z)

180 I love how the govt kneecapped the EV makers and made them all lower their prices so they will be more likely to go under.

Good job, idiots.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at February 10, 2023 11:35 AM (Y5qcH)

181 157 What does a guy with diarrhea and a guy with an electric car have in common?

They both hope they make it home.

Posted by: Diogenes at February 10, 2023 11:22 AM (anj39)

Gas stations shouldn't allow owners of EVs to use the toilet.

Posted by: N.Lurker at February 10, 2023 11:35 AM (eGTCV)

182 The Ford Foundation is now one of the major sources of funding for "progressive" non-profits.
Posted by: Ian S.
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FoMoCo and the family disassociated itself from the foundation years ago.

Posted by: Braenyard at February 10, 2023 11:36 AM (kMJ0v)

183 Do EVs have an expect flames signal on the dashboard?
Posted by: N.Lurker at February 10, 2023 11:29 AM (eGTCV)

Announcement: "This vehicle will self destruct in five seconds"

Then is plays the opening theme from the Mission Impossible TV series.

Posted by: Archer at February 10, 2023 11:36 AM (gmo/4)

184 HS buddy's father had an LTD w/390 in it. '70 I think.
Sweet ride.
Posted by: micky at February 10, 2023 11:

My first car was a 69 Galaxy 500 w/390, affectionately named the Battlestar. Too bad a brother trashed it.

Posted by: Beartooth at February 10, 2023 11:36 AM (N52dd)

185 You should all envy me my two Teslas. Also, I am higher class than you all. Let me tell you about my adjustable rate mortgage.

Posted by: Yoe Psydin at February 10, 2023 11:36 AM (/x7zz)

186 Both the majors and a lot of indies offer "EV crate engines", including computers you actually control (unlike the ones sold in off-the-shelf EVs). EV conversions of, yes, '57 Chevys are a big deal with a lot of people.
Posted by: Ian S. at February 10, 2023 11:33 AM (ZGrMX)

EV crate engines are bullshit. Because in addition to the motor, you need the transmission, all of the accessories (like AC), and battery and charging hardware.

And you obviously have to remove all the ICE and its supporting pieces.

I am not saying you CAN'T put a Tesla motor in, say, a 57 Chevy - people do it - but its way more expensive than buying a Tesla.

Posted by: blaster at February 10, 2023 11:36 AM (pwExq)

187
I use an F250 with a V10 to tow around big, heavy classic cars. Sometimes hundreds of miles. These EV truck towing range is shit. The home mechanic can't work on EV's, so they're going to eliminate a huge aftermarket part industry.

I guess my future hobby will be pet rocks.

Posted by: portlandon at February 10, 2023 11:36 AM (+oR7L)

188 HS buddy's father had an LTD w/390 in it. '70 I think.
Sweet ride.
Posted by: micky at February 10, 2023

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In those days car dealers, while not open on Sunday, often left the lot vehicles unlocked. (Yes -- really.) My dad would bring my brother and me to a Ford or Lincoln-Mercury dealer, and we'd respectfully open and climb into many of them, inhale the "new car" aroma, check out the textures of the seats, etc.

In '67 I remember a used Lincoln Continental limo on a local L-M dealer lot: dark green, black vinyl top, black leather seats, and tan leather on the 2 jump seats in the back compartment. I don't think I've ever seen one of those in a movie; have you?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at February 10, 2023 11:36 AM (J2vNu)

189
My first car was a 69 Galaxy 500 w/390, affectionately named the Battlestar. Too bad a brother trashed it.
Posted by: Beartooth at February 10, 2023 11:36 AM (N52dd)

Nice.....You should demand reparations from said brother.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at February 10, 2023 11:36 AM (Zz0t1)

190 Patrick Starfish > Fetterman

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Not a Real Simulation at February 10, 2023 11:37 AM (FVME7)

191 Elites aren't like Bond villains. They are like the campy criminals in the original Batman TV series.

Posted by: Roy at February 10, 2023 11:37 AM (NOPTj)

192 There's not enough electricity to get the thing done.

Posted by: torabora at February 10, 2023 11:37 AM (FDUIz)

193 But it won't be, ever. Not only will there have to be emergency vehicles and heavy machinery that uses gasoline, but people will cling to their gas powered cars like Cubans. This is going to be a short-term experiment that will end with them quietly starting to make IC cars again.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 10, 2023 11:34 AM (0hOvj)
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ALL of the heavy machinery that makes life possible (ships, planes, construction equipment) requires the use of so-called "fossil fuels." The WEF will not be able to create their supervillain lairs without it. And it's only the economy of scale that makes those vehicles and the fuel that drives them possible.

The WEF might have trillions of dollars, but what good will it do them when the trucks, trains, planes, and ships that bring them their luxury goods (and basic necessities) can no longer function?

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at February 10, 2023 11:37 AM (YIVH2)

194 Dominos Pizza. A non food product delivered by a non car

Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at February 10, 2023 11:37 AM (flINI)

195 To an extent all the electronics in newer ICE cars will suffer that deliberate obsolescence. I can imagine that replacement 'modules' where available are completely priced into non-consideration. Scrap.

Posted by: micky at February 10, 2023 11:37 AM (3byMq)

196 I saw a study the other day that the average annual mileage for an EV in the US was 5,300 miles. Less that half the ICE average.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at February 10, 2023 11:37 AM (Y5qcH)

197 Funny, I expected mr_jack to show up on this thread and regale us with pearls of whizzdom.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 10, 2023 11:37 AM (tkR6S)

198 I use an F250 with a V10 to tow around big, heavy classic cars. Sometimes hundreds of miles. These EV truck towing range is shit. The home mechanic can't work on EV's, so they're going to eliminate a huge aftermarket part industry.

I guess my future hobby will be pet rocks.
Posted by: portlandon

Collect ammo.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 10, 2023 11:38 AM (SbJgO)

199 It's already a zoo, but I wouldn't pet the animals.
Posted by: Pete Buttigieg at February 10, 2023

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Don't sweat the petty things, and don't pet the sweaty things.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at February 10, 2023 11:38 AM (J2vNu)

200 The future:

Elites will have ICE cars. Serfs will have public transportation.

Thank goodness, I'll be dead.
Posted by: Archer at February 10, 2023 11:32 AM (gmo/4)
***

If I'm not, they can call me the head of the resistance.

Posted by: Diogenes at February 10, 2023 11:38 AM (anj39)

201 EV makes sense for delivery cars, if you have a big enough fleet. You cannot really do it with taxis, but delivering pizzas? Sure.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 10, 2023 11:38 AM (0hOvj)

202 What does a guy with diarrhea and a guy with an electric car have in common?

They both hope they make it home.
Posted by: Diogenes at February 10, 2023 11:22 AM

I know, right?

Posted by: Gyu with diarrhea in an electric car at February 10, 2023 11:38 AM (Wnv9h)

203 This is why I’m so opposed to EVs, because the EV transition and related bans on gas powered cars are really just a trojan horse for the purpose of banning all personal vehicles.

Yep. And this is not being driven by Ford or any other automaker. This is being driven by the WEF and Deep State Uniparty. And the environazis in general. Obama drastically changed the CAFE standards and put the energy and auto industries on this path back in 2009. So this is 14 years in the making. This did not just happen overnight. The CAFE standards state that if automakers cannot meet the mpg and greenhouse gas emission targets, not only will they face massive fines, they will be restricted from selling cars at all.

Those ridiculous standards -- and fines/bans on sales -- kick in starting in 2025. And vehicle programs typically start 3-5 years out. So when Obama's CAFE standards were introduced during his Administration, that's why the auto companies and energy companies were forced into full EV mode.

Trump relaxed those standards in his first term and planned to relax them more in 2nd term. Of course they could not let that happen. So rigged and stolen election. And here we are.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at February 10, 2023 11:38 AM (Do5/p)

204 178 The elites think they can live without oil.
******

No but they will insist that we should. They will continue as ever because as Gates said "I am part of the solution" so it's ok. The ideologically pure are always exempt.

Posted by: CN at February 10, 2023 11:39 AM (Zzbjj)

205 I saw a study the other day that the average annual mileage for an EV in the US was 5,300 miles. Less that half the ICE average.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at February 10, 2023 11:37 AM (Y5qcH)

I think you're starting to understand their plan.

Posted by: Wally at February 10, 2023 11:39 AM (FJYfm)

206 It makes sense when you connect the dots to 15 minute cities and the UN's Wildlands Network, both of which are real, coordinated efforts currently in place at the government level.

Yup. If you don't understand what corporations are doing now, you don't know enough conspiracy theories/spoiler alerts.

Posted by: Ian S. at February 10, 2023 11:39 AM (ZGrMX)

207 Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-IA), who testified Thursday before the House’s new Select Subcommittee on Political Weaponization, said whistleblower disclosures indicate the FBI has evidence that President Joe Biden is aware of the family business schemes, a statement that directly contradicts the president.

Posted by: SMOD at February 10, 2023 11:39 AM (RHGPo)

208 180 I love how the govt kneecapped the EV makers and made them all lower their prices so they will be more likely to go under.

Good job, idiots.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at February 10, 2023 11:35 AM (Y5qcH)

See my post a few above yours. That isn't what the government did. Unintended consequences and Elon Musk did it. They were trying to cut Tesla out by setting the price where incentives cut off. Tesla dropped prices below where competitors were and now they are screwed.

Posted by: blaster at February 10, 2023 11:39 AM (pwExq)

209 If I'm not, they can call me the head of the resistance.
Posted by: Diogenes at February 10, 2023 11:38 AM (anj39)

I am old enough to help. Sign me up for the newsletter.

Posted by: CN at February 10, 2023 11:39 AM (Zzbjj)

210 But it won't be, ever. Not only will there have to be emergency vehicles and heavy machinery that uses gasoline, but people will cling to their gas powered cars like Cubans. This is going to be a short-term experiment that will end with them quietly starting to make IC cars again.

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ALL of the heavy machinery that makes life possible (ships, planes, construction equipment) requires the use of so-called "fossil fuels." The WEF will not be able to create their supervillain lairs without it. And it's only the economy of scale that makes those vehicles and the fuel that drives them possible.

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That will be the neat part.

Production won't be reduced much if at all. Normal people simply won't be allowed to use it. And the costs will go up, yes, and the government will pay it because "infrastructure." Remember, fire trucks for politicians suburbs, planes for politicians, etc. It's necessary so the feds will fund it. Added benefit? Additional inflation that makes your dollar even more worthless.

Posted by: Trainwreck: Billions of people stuck with a broken immune response at February 10, 2023 11:39 AM (EdaAK)

211 Elites aren't like Bond villains. They are like the campy criminals in the original Batman TV series.
Posted by: Roy at February 10, 2023

***
Good point. I envision us being "led" by the Cesar Romero Joker or the Burgess Meredith Penguin.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at February 10, 2023 11:39 AM (J2vNu)

212 The Ford Flex (the model without Eco-boost) is the finest car ever produced.

Ugly to some, but owners and dealerships and Iowahawk agree.
Posted by: Auspex at February 10, 2023 11:35 AM (j4U/Z)
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I've never been in one, but I've seen a lot of them and *really* like them. I don't think it's ugly. It's a big 'ole box on wheels with some, in my opinion, nice styling flairs. It isn't sexy, but it has a certain "X Factor" in my eyes. It's cool and I've always wanted one.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 10, 2023 11:39 AM (t0OGg)

213 The elites think they can live without oil.

And yet they live on the petrodollar.

Posted by: t-bird at February 10, 2023 11:40 AM (CaJIi)

214 Posted by: skywch at February 10, 2023 11:29 AM (uqhmb)

Our parents knew how to romance each other

Posted by: kallisto at February 10, 2023 11:40 AM (dCxaZ)

215 I saw a study the other day that the average annual mileage for an EV in the US was 5,300 miles. Less that half the ICE average.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe

25,272 a year. JUST to work 3 days a week.
That doesn't include side trips or errands.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 10, 2023 11:40 AM (SbJgO)

216 Newly elected Sen. John Fetterman has described his severe hearing disability as causing him to hear the voice of the teacher from the "Peanuts" cartoon when listening to people speak, the New York Times reported.

Fetterman suffered a stroke in May 2022 while campaigning for Pennsylvania's open Senate seat, causing him to have cognitive issues, including a problem with auditory processing.

Fetterman has to carry around a closed captioning device that types out what is being said to him so that he can have conversations, since he cannot fully understand the spoken word on his own.

Posted by: DB - Aim high! at February 10, 2023 11:40 AM (geLO8)

217 It's sad when you look to Hyundai and Kia for decent cars these days.

The big 3 have really pissed me off so much that I won't even consider them if I need a new car. I been a Ford and Jeep gal for a long time. Alas, no more.

Posted by: mpfs , In a permanent state of confusion at February 10, 2023 11:40 AM (Q9/40)

218 Dealers.cannot sell EVs to people.who live on dead end streets.

No outlets.

Posted by: Diogenes at February 10, 2023 11:40 AM (anj39)

219 I can kinda forgive people in the early 1960s converting a 1958 Volkswagen Karmann Ghia to electric power.

But in 2023 to willingly convert such a rare vehicle is criminal.

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 10, 2023 11:41 AM (HoPPH)

220 Yes, that is the official plan. It will work out well, as the majority of people with pitchforks won't have an IC vehicle to get to DC with. And, of course, the bailout money already went to Wuhan Flu bailouts and Ukraine, so there isn't any more.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at February 10, 2023 11:22 AM (lTGtQ)

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I expect to live to see the real (GAAP-measured accounting for future liabilities and the "fiscal gap") exponentially-increasing national debt exceed $1 quadrillion. We were at something like $210 trillion nearly a decade ago -- so likely more than a third of the way there now.

If the economy and society doesn't completely implode before that, which will likely result in shortening my remaining years.

Posted by: ShainS -- I'm a Freeborn Man of the USA at February 10, 2023 11:41 AM (3wO3I)

221 211 Elites aren't like Bond villains. They are like the campy criminals in the original Batman TV series.
Posted by: Roy at February 10, 2023

I disagree. They're worse than Bond Villains. I never got the impression that Blofeld owned Parliament or MI6.

Posted by: CN at February 10, 2023 11:41 AM (Zzbjj)

222 213 The elites think they can live without oil.

And yet they live on the petrodollar.
Posted by: t-bird at February 10, 2023 11:40 AM (CaJIi)

The elites do not think that nor do they have any such inclination.

But they're willing to bet that YOU can live without oil. And if you can't? Meh, whatever.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at February 10, 2023 11:41 AM (KbCG3)

223 Newly elected Sen. John Fetterman has described his severe hearing disability as causing him to hear the voice of the teacher from the "Peanuts" cartoon when listening to people speak, the New York Times reported.

There really needs to be a meme video of Fetterman with AOC where her lips are flapping and you hear the Peanuts voice.

Posted by: Ian S. at February 10, 2023 11:41 AM (ZGrMX)

224 PS - Thank you, too, for the song of the season. A favorite was always Jerry Butler's & Betty Everett's version.

Posted by: Lola at February 10, 2023 11:41 AM (Wxlzw)

225 Christopher R. Taylor, have you ever read the Survivor series by James Wesley, Rawles? 4 volumes, start anywhere.

Posted by: Eromero at February 10, 2023 11:42 AM (1vBNQ)

226 I saw a study the other day that the average annual mileage for an EV in the US was 5,300 miles. Less that half the ICE average.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe

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I bet that's almost exactly the same as other toys not quite rich people buy as third and fourth cars to show off their wealth. Corvettes and such. Because that's what EVs are.

Like I said, I doubt even 5% of EV sales are to individuals.

Funny how you can't find those numbers.

Posted by: Trainwreck: Billions of people stuck with a broken immune response at February 10, 2023 11:42 AM (EdaAK)

227 Found On Road Discharged

Posted by: Fifty Three Years an Imbecile at February 10, 2023 11:42 AM (BJKQV)

228 Trump better start rethinking 'cutting back' and maybe opt for something more along the lines of a flamethrower or woodchipper supreme.

Posted by: micky at February 10, 2023 11:42 AM (3byMq)

229 Another funny govt screw up: The govt was classifying all EV's as cars, even though many are clearly SUV's (Model Y, Mustang E-Stank, etc.) This was very important to EV makers because SUVs have higher price caps for the tax breaks.

They eventually sorted this all out when the determined that the best and brightest in the govt were only going by the bullshit mpg-e rating of EV's. Since it was so high, then it must be a car.

F'ing idiots.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at February 10, 2023 11:43 AM (Y5qcH)

230 Puppy thief?!!! From the Amish?!!!

U.S. Representative George Santos faced charges in 2017 for stealing puppies from the Amish. What is with this guy?

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Now do Biden.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Not a Real Simulation at February 10, 2023 11:43 AM (FVME7)

231 EV makes sense for delivery cars, if you have a big enough fleet. You cannot really do it with taxis, but delivering pizzas? Sure.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 10, 2023 11:38 AM (0hOvj)

Nope. Same reason as for taxis. A delivery vehicle sitting idle is an expense, nothing more. It doesn't earn money by sitting still. A fuel-powered delivery vehicle can potentially run 24/7, or darned close to it.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 10, 2023 11:43 AM (tkR6S)

232 I bet that's almost exactly the same as other toys not quite rich people buy as third and fourth cars to show off their wealth. Corvettes and such. Because that's what EVs are.

My liberal brother and his wife's only cars are EVs. They pair well with the unironic "In this house we believe" sign.

Posted by: Ian S. at February 10, 2023 11:43 AM (ZGrMX)

233 Fetterman has to carry around a closed captioning device that types out what is being said to him so that he can have conversations, since he cannot fully understand the spoken word on his own.
____

Is he talking about Biden's SOTU? Welcome to the party, lumpnecked pal!

Posted by: Chuck Martel at February 10, 2023 11:43 AM (fs1hN)

234 23 schools in Baltimore have zero students proficient in math.

Not a typo.

Posted by: WOW at February 10, 2023 11:43 AM (i7tmW)

235 Ford wrote down $7 billion dollars from its Rivian (electric truck) investment last year. Their EBIT was $10 billion without the noise. Hopefully their finance types can read those tea leaves.

Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at February 10, 2023 11:43 AM (oWBc3)

236 The elites think they can live without oil.
******

No but they will insist that we should. They will continue as ever because as Gates said "I am part of the solution" so it's ok. The ideologically pure are always exempt.
Posted by: CN

Even the elites won't pay $100 for a $4 tube of lipstick.
Yeah. That's what economy of scale does when you reduce the use of the current amount of oil.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 10, 2023 11:43 AM (SbJgO)

237 The Ford Flex (the model without Eco-boost) is the finest car ever produced.

Ugly to some, but owners and dealerships and Iowahawk agree.
Posted by: Auspex at February 10, 2023 11:35 AM (j4U/Z)

We bought one new in 2012 for Mrs. Archer. Fully loaded. We still have it. Garaged and thoroughly maintained. It has approximately 15,000 original
miles.

Posted by: Archer at February 10, 2023 11:43 AM (gmo/4)

238 95% of electric vehicles are still on the road, the other 5% made it home.

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at February 10, 2023 11:43 AM (OgrpQ)

239 234. Impressive and by design. Thank a teacher.

Posted by: CN at February 10, 2023 11:44 AM (Zzbjj)

240 I have yet to see one Dominos franchise with any of their own vehicles. It is always the driver's POV.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Wanting to Hang Out with Tom Bombadil at February 10, 2023 11:44 AM (xPJvm)

241 If the desire to run over a WEFer hits you, use an EV. They'll never hear you coming.

Posted by: N.Lurker at February 10, 2023 11:44 AM (eGTCV)

242 Biden / Fetterman 2024

It's a no brainer.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at February 10, 2023 11:44 AM (N39Ws)

243 @168

>>EV conversions of, yes, '57 Chevys are a big deal with a lot of people.

Anyone who would put an EMotor in a 57 Chevy is a f**king clown and not someone I would associate with.

The E Crate motors they are offering to the general public have very little power, somewhere in the neighborhood of 280HP and when you add in all of the associated crap you will need to make this all go, it's far more expensive than dropping a small block ICE crate engine into.

Nice try, no dice.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at February 10, 2023 11:44 AM (up/3i)

244 Newly elected Sen. John Fetterman has described his severe hearing disability as causing him to hear the voice of the teacher from the "Peanuts" cartoon when listening to people speak, the New York Times reported.

That's not his hearing. That's his damaged brain unable to process the sounds he's hearing.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 10, 2023 11:44 AM (0hOvj)

245 234 23 schools in Baltimore have zero students proficient in math.

Not a typo.
Posted by: WOW at February 10, 2023 11:43 AM (i7tmW)

Then how do they know it's zero?

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at February 10, 2023 11:44 AM (Y5qcH)

246 23 schools in Baltimore have zero students proficient in math.

Not a typo.

Posted by: WOW at February 10, 2023 11:43 AM (i7tmW)

Math be racists.

Posted by: Archer at February 10, 2023 11:44 AM (gmo/4)

247 Just got back from the car wash. The Explorer ST is shiny again. Put it sport mode, paddle shifters and sucked a couple gallons of gas for Gaia.

You seldom see EV's at the car wash. Can you say "electrocution?"

Posted by: Martini Farmer at February 10, 2023 11:45 AM (Q4IgG)

248 It's sad when you look to Hyundai and Kia for decent cars these days.

The big 3 have really pissed me off so much that I won't even consider them if I need a new car. I been a Ford and Jeep gal for a long time. Alas, no more.
Posted by: mpfs , In a permanent state of confusion at February 10, 2023 11:40 AM (Q9/40)
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The last time I bought a new car (which was also the first time, and likely the only time) in 2017, Hyundai was far and away the best value on the market. Ford was close behind.

The car was an exceedingly good value (in part thanks to buying it off-season and playing hardball with the dealer) and the longer I've lived with it, the more I've liked it. There is some serious - and in some cases surprising - attention to detail in that car. Everything is right where it should be. The "infotaintment" system doesn't need an engineering degree to operate and is almost entirely intuitive. There are physical controls of the right type and in the right places, and useful shortcuts. The instrument cluster has everything it needs and isn't confusing. It's a great car, and it's built in Alabama.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 10, 2023 11:45 AM (t0OGg)

249 Spanish high court rules in favor of man's right to walk the streets naked

-
Mister, we could use a man like 'Cisco Franco again.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Not a Real Simulation at February 10, 2023 11:45 AM (FVME7)

250 EV's are stupid and silly at every level of analysis.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at February 10, 2023 11:07 AM (up/3i)

Hmmm. I wonder about the first gen prius. Have they all had to get their battery packs swapped?

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at February 10, 2023 11:45 AM (zZu0s)

251 It's sad when you look to Hyundai and Kia for decent cars these days.

---

Just say no.

They look good on the surface, but apparently that engine failure (bearing surface problems, maybe?) that has plagued so many of their cars and prompted recalls affects all of their cars. My neighbor who was smitten and bought one for everyone in his family was telling me he went to a dealer out of town and the service rep told him it's a matter of time before you replace your engine in ALL Hyundais/Kias. The ones that aren't recalled simply haven't been through the proper legal channel yet. 85-130K and you're putting a new one in, and spoilers, there aren't new ones. They're all tied up in the recalls.

Buyer beware.

Posted by: Trainwreck: Billions of people stuck with a broken immune response at February 10, 2023 11:45 AM (EdaAK)

252 Even the elites won't pay $100 for a $4 tube of lipstick.
Yeah. That's what economy of scale does when you reduce the use of the current amount of oil.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 10, 2023 11:43 AM (SbJgO)

Sure they will. They love showing off more than anything, and Bill Gates and Soros rarely wear lipstick.

Posted by: CN at February 10, 2023 11:46 AM (Zzbjj)

253 Puppy thief?!!! From the Amish?!!!

U.S. Representative George Santos faced charges in 2017 for stealing puppies from the Amish. What is with this guy?

=======

He saw My Name Is Earl as a training manual.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at February 10, 2023 11:46 AM (KbCG3)

254 249 Spanish high court rules in favor of man's right to walk the streets naked

-
Mister, we could use a man like 'Cisco Franco again.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Not a Real Simulation at February 10, 2023 11:45 AM (FVME7)

"One thing that I am sure of, and which I can answer truthfully, is that whatever the contingencies that may arise here, wherever I am there will be no communism."

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at February 10, 2023 11:46 AM (eYoxG)

255 Yeah, EVs are cool, everyone loves them, and they're taking the market by storm.

And stuff.

And all of this would still be true without massive direct subsidies, outlandish ridiculous propaganda and brainwashing of the populace and the collapse of the institutions, and the desperate moral narcissism of the (inexplicably) wealthy.

And reasons. And stuff!

Posted by: Not mr_jack at February 10, 2023 11:46 AM (OTzUX)

256 It's sad when you look to Hyundai and Kia for decent cars these days.

The big 3 have really pissed me off so much that I won't even consider them if I need a new car. I been a Ford and Jeep gal for a long time. Alas, no more.

Posted by: mpfs , In a permanent state of confusion at February 10, 2023 11:40 AM (Q9/40)

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I've driven over 3/4 of a million miles the past decade for work and will only buy & drive used Toyota & Honda vehicles with between 100,000 - 200,000 miles already on them. They're generally low maintenance still, and end up getting over 300,000 miles before quitting and becoming too expensive to repair.

Posted by: ShainS -- I'm a Freeborn Man of the USA at February 10, 2023 11:46 AM (3wO3I)

257 23 schools in Baltimore have zero students proficient in math.

Not a typo.

Posted by: WOW at February 10, 2023 11:43 AM (i7tmW)

🎶 "Do they know it's mathematics after all!" 🎶

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at February 10, 2023 11:46 AM (Zz0t1)

258 195 To an extent all the electronics in newer ICE cars will suffer that deliberate obsolescence. I can imagine that replacement 'modules' where available are completely priced into non-consideration. Scrap.
Posted by: micky at February
--------------------------------

This is one of many possibilities.
Another is that the Battery Car will become a city vehicle for the inter urban middle and upper middle class and the Gas/Diesel vehicle will prosper every where else.
------------

Bottom line Gas vehicles, as our Nation's future, greatly depends on the '24 election.

Posted by: Braenyard at February 10, 2023 11:47 AM (kMJ0v)

259 Nope. Same reason as for taxis. A delivery vehicle sitting idle is an expense, nothing more. It doesn't earn money by sitting still. A fuel-powered delivery vehicle can potentially run 24/7, or darned close to it.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

while charging.

Oh, the other fallacy? The "just charge it during off peak hours like overnight"?

When 300 million vehicles are charging overnight,

THERE IS NO OFF PEAK TIME.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 10, 2023 11:47 AM (SbJgO)

260 These days, the Amish are looking like the sane ones. As I get older, the more this is true.

Still. I doubt they will be spared.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at February 10, 2023 11:47 AM (zZu0s)

261 Who's going to build the "15 minute cities?" Who's going to maintain them?
Over the years I've worked on more than a few projects where my commutes were 3-5 hours round trip. That's if there is no traffic jams.

Posted by: Fool Otto at February 10, 2023 11:47 AM (DB16e)

262 I was once nicked walking out of a parking ramp my some idiot in a Prius ev. Didn't hear a fucking thing and the next thing I know my knee was careening off of that cheap plastic thing. I really very badly wanted to punch that glib liberal in the face but my knee hurt so bad I had him call an ambulance.

Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at February 10, 2023 11:47 AM (flINI)

263 I've never been in one, but I've seen a lot of them and *really* like them. I don't think it's ugly. It's a big 'ole box on wheels with some, in my opinion, nice styling flairs. It isn't sexy, but it has a certain "X Factor" in my eyes. It's cool and I've always wanted one.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 10, 2023 11:39 AM (t0OGg)

There are a few near me on the road with upgraded rims and other aftermarket styling things that look really nice. One is lifted I think and one lowered.

Posted by: Thesokorus at February 10, 2023 11:47 AM (1ais2)

264
That's not his hearing. That's his damaged brain unable to process the sounds he's hearing.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 10, 2023 11:44 AM (0hOvj)

This is my opinion as I have never seen any evidence that he can even write out answers.

Posted by: CN at February 10, 2023 11:47 AM (Zzbjj)

265 I've seen a few LS swapped Tesla Type s setups.

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at February 10, 2023 11:47 AM (OgrpQ)

266 You seldom see EV's at the car wash. Can you say "electrocution?"

There are valid arguments against EVs, but that's not one of them. Teslas can and have driven through near-window-high water, as long as the driver can dodge all of the ICE cars that ingested water and threw a rod.

Posted by: Ian S. at February 10, 2023 11:47 AM (ZGrMX)

267 "A cargo ship burning toxic chemicals in the ocean - no biggie."
-Greenpeace
-Sierra Club
-Etc

I'm old enough to remember when environmentalist groups cared about the environment.

Posted by: Fifty Three Years an Imbecile at February 10, 2023 11:48 AM (BJKQV)

268 23 schools in Baltimore have zero students proficient in math.
Not a typo.
Posted by: WOW at February 10, 2023 11:43 AM (i7tmW)

Math be racists.
Posted by: Archer

Well, math does argue against that $5 million a head reparations plan.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Not a Real Simulation at February 10, 2023 11:48 AM (FVME7)

269 218 Dealers.cannot sell EVs to people.who live on dead end streets.

No outlets.
Posted by: Diogenes at February 10, 2023 11:40 AM (anj39)

Groan
CC: Muldoon

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at February 10, 2023 11:48 AM (lEVn+)

270 I rented a Ford Flex once. I loved it. Myself,5 passengers and our luggage, no problem.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at February 10, 2023 11:48 AM (jTmQV)

271 I've seen a few LS swapped Tesla Type s setups.

Rich Benoit did the most famous one (it was shown at SEMA two years running), and there are others now that he's proven it can work.

He's doing a diesel-powered Tesla now to up the ante.

Posted by: Ian S. at February 10, 2023 11:48 AM (ZGrMX)

272 Sure they will. They love showing off more than anything, and Bill Gates and Soros rarely wear lipstick.
Posted by: CN at February 10, 2023 11:46 AM (Zzbjj)

IIRC, when Diocletian set price controls for everything in the empire, the most expensive item was a bolt of purple silk at some insane amount. The emperor would pretty much be the ONLY customer.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at February 10, 2023 11:49 AM (zZu0s)

273 264
That's not his hearing. That's his damaged brain unable to process the sounds he's hearing.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 10, 2023 11:44 AM (0hOvj)

This is my opinion as I have never seen any evidence that he can even write out answers.
Posted by: CN at February 10, 2023 11:47 AM (Zzbjj)

"Boy, his condition really deteriorated fast, didn't it?" - MSM

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at February 10, 2023 11:49 AM (KbCG3)

274 I rented a Ford Flex once. I loved it. Myself,5 passengers and our luggage, no problem.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at February 10, 2023 11:48 AM (jTmQV)

Ford really needed to take a page from Dodge's book and their Magnum. Put a V8 and some HP in that bad boy and Ford would've out sold the Taurus with it.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at February 10, 2023 11:50 AM (Zz0t1)

275 CEO Farley? Is Chris Farley back from the dead? Maybe that explains Ford's problems.

Posted by: John Milton's Ghost at February 10, 2023 11:50 AM (ATyck)

276 I was at the VW dealer getting my diesel VW serviced. They had very few cars. All the ICE cars had a "market adjustment" added to the sticker of ~$5000-8000.

The 2 EV they had, $5000 off!

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at February 10, 2023 11:50 AM (Y5qcH)

277 218 Dealers.cannot sell EVs to people.who live on dead end streets.

No outlets.
Posted by: Diogenes at February 10, 2023 11:40 AM (anj39)

Not a fan of the EV marketing. They are always plugging them

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at February 10, 2023 11:50 AM (OgrpQ)

278 I am not saying you CAN'T put a Tesla motor in, say, a 57 Chevy - people do it - but its way more expensive than buying a Tesla.

About a quarter of a mil last I heard.

http://www.bloodshedmotors.com/

Posted by: Oddbob at February 10, 2023 11:50 AM (nfrXX)

279 @250

>>Hmmm. I wonder about the first gen prius. Have they all had to get their battery packs swapped?

Prius are hybrid vehicles that use a gasoline motor and regenerative breaking to recharge the batteries that assist the gas motor to deliver an overall drive system.

The batteries are smaller and less expensive than full EV cars, they need to be replaced but the costs are much less than EV's.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at February 10, 2023 11:50 AM (up/3i)

280 Bill Gates and Soros rarely wear lipstick.

Are they identifying as women now?

Posted by: Ian S. at February 10, 2023 11:50 AM (ZGrMX)

281 They look good on the surface, but apparently that engine failure (bearing surface problems, maybe?) that has plagued so many of their cars and prompted recalls affects all of their cars. ...
Posted by: Trainwreck: Billions of people stuck with a broken immune response at February 10, 2023 11:45 AM (EdaAK)
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The 4-cylinder GDI engine had a design flaw for several years (including mine) that can cause bearing wear and ultimately failure. To Hyundai's credit, though, they have handled the recall well. There's a software change that repurposes a sensor to detect the condition early and send the engine into "limp home" mode to keep it from failing catastrophically. When that happens - which it likely will, at some point - Hyundai will replace the engine. The recall also modified the terms of the warranty to extend the engine warranty to "lifetime." It doesn't matter that the engines are tied up in the recall channel, because that's where you'll be getting one if the bearings fail.

I don't remember if the lifetime extension is transferable. I'd have to go check the paperwork.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 10, 2023 11:50 AM (t0OGg)

282 The Flex has a touch of Land Rover styling. Big and bluff.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at February 10, 2023 11:51 AM (zZu0s)

283 That's not his hearing. That's his damaged brain unable to process the sounds he's hearing.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 10, 2023 11:44 AM (0hOvj)

This is my opinion as I have never seen any evidence that he can even write out answers.
Posted by: CN

Sack o' Patatoes For Senate 2024!!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Not a Real Simulation at February 10, 2023 11:51 AM (FVME7)

284 "A cargo ship burning toxic chemicals in the ocean - no biggie."
-Greenpeace
-Sierra Club
-Etc “

The smoke had rainbow colors!

Posted by: Transportation Sec at February 10, 2023 11:51 AM (xT61F)

285 We don't need oil-we ride the bus!

Posted by: Soy-infused army at February 10, 2023 11:51 AM (wrJpE)

286 Ford really needed to take a page from Dodge's book and their Magnum. Put a V8 and some HP in that bad boy and Ford would've out sold the Taurus with it.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at February 10, 2023 11:50 AM (Zz0t1)

The Magnum was very tempting. If it had come with a manual, I may not have been able to resist.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at February 10, 2023 11:51 AM (Y5qcH)

287 The batteries are smaller and less expensive than full EV cars, they need to be replaced but the costs are much less than EV's.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at February 10, 2023 11:50 AM (up/3i)

No, but I am wondering when they had to have their battery packs swapped.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at February 10, 2023 11:51 AM (zZu0s)

288 He's doing a diesel-powered Tesla now to up the ante.
Posted by: Ian S. at February 10, 2023 11:48 AM (ZGrMX)

A horse-drawn one would be really cool.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 10, 2023 11:51 AM (tkR6S)

289 Prius battery replacement:

On average, you may spend between $2,000 and $4,500 to replace the high voltage battery in your Toyota Prius. Even if you choose a used Prius battery, you could spend $1,500 plus the labor to have it installed. It’s best to budget ahead of time for this expense that occurs during the life of the hybrid car.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at February 10, 2023 11:51 AM (Zz0t1)

290
I rode in a car to the uh hospital and uh-uh the flashing lights uh, then uh, corndogs uh -s-sh-sherbet

yeah

Posted by: John Fetterman at February 10, 2023 11:51 AM (vwCZJ)

291 I'm starting to like this Santos guy.

Posted by: Not mr_jack at February 10, 2023 11:51 AM (OTzUX)

292 Hmmm. I wonder about the first gen prius. Have they all had to get their battery packs swapped?

Toyota uses a different battery chemistry for hybrids - less peak output, but longer service life. They're very serious about their "150,000 miles is the break-in period" reputation.

Posted by: Ian S. at February 10, 2023 11:52 AM (ZGrMX)

293 To be fair, I would love to bring back wrap around windshields, chrome and mother fucking tail fins!

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at February 10, 2023 11:52 AM (zZu0s)

294 291 I'm starting to like this Santos guy.

Me too... What hasn't he done....

Posted by: It's me donna at February 10, 2023 11:53 AM (bs+z0)

295 DNA evidence in JonBenet Ramsey murder did NOT match family members but cops continued to float idea that her parents were 'under suspicion', new documents reveal

Posted by: DB - Aim high! at February 10, 2023 11:53 AM (geLO8)

296 23 schools in Baltimore have zero students proficient in math.

Not a typo.

Posted by: WOW

Prime candidates to win scholarships. Not a joke.

Posted by: t-bird at February 10, 2023 11:53 AM (CaJIi)

297 This is why the red states should be banning EVs.

Sure that's a big government overreach - but it is to stop the government overreach to ban CARS that the left is working on.

I suspect we'll quickly go from;

We don't need to ban EVs the market will produce ICE cars if people want them

to

Oh, look the government banned ICE cars. Oh well, not the hill to die on

Posted by: 18-1 at February 10, 2023 11:54 AM (lc5cP)

298 294 291 I'm starting to like this Santos guy.

Me too... What hasn't he done....
Posted by: It's me donna at February 10, 2023 11:53 AM (bs+z0)

Heh. We have managed to elect the 'Catch Me If You Can' guy.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at February 10, 2023 11:54 AM (zZu0s)

299 No but they will insist that we should. They will continue as ever because as Gates said "I am part of the solution" so it's ok. The ideologically pure are always exempt.
Posted by: CN at February 10, 2023 11:39 AM (Zzbjj)

I wonder how much trouble I would be in if I started a "LatAm Squatters take Gates' Farm Land" Movement.

Posted by: Kindltot at February 10, 2023 11:54 AM (xhaym)

300 Biden / Fetterman 2024

It's a no brainer.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at February 10, 2023 11:44 AM (N39Ws)

Excellent!

Posted by: Diogenes at February 10, 2023 11:54 AM (anj39)

301 @289

>>Prius battery replacement:

Yeah but that's a lot less than the upwards of 30k to replace the battery packs of EV's we've seen quoted.

Hybrid are potentially compelling and should have been what the masterminds pushed instead of this mad rush to force everyone into EV's.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at February 10, 2023 11:54 AM (up/3i)

302 Hybrids make a hell of a lot more sense than straight EVs, its how trains have worked for a long time now.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 10, 2023 11:55 AM (0hOvj)

303 The Magnum was very tempting. If it had come with a manual, I may not have been able to resist.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at February 10, 2023 11:51 AM (Y5qcH)

I drove a black one for a few years (aka Darth Vader's Hearse), the manual option would have been perfect. There is a guy who did a Redeye swap on a Magnum with a manual 6 speed. Absolute beast. Magnum/Charger/300/Challenger are the same LX platform.

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at February 10, 2023 11:55 AM (OgrpQ)

304 295 DNA evidence in JonBenet Ramsey murder did NOT match family members but cops continued to float idea that her parents were 'under suspicion', new documents reveal
Posted by: DB - Aim high! at February 10, 2023 11:53 AM (geLO

Ok, so who DID it match. Her murder got about as much play after two weeks as the Las Vegas shooting.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at February 10, 2023 11:55 AM (zZu0s)

305 IIRC, when Diocletian set price controls for everything in the empire, the most expensive item was a bolt of purple silk at some insane amount. The emperor would pretty much be the ONLY customer.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at February 10, 2023 11:49 AM (zZu0s)

Their plan is for us to be limited to one new pair of shoes annually and 4-8 garments. If you follow the WEF crap being published in the UK, it's pretty ugly for us kulaks. They already started their 15 minute cities, with Forbes defending.

Posted by: CN at February 10, 2023 11:55 AM (Zzbjj)

306 Hybrid are potentially compelling and should have been what the masterminds pushed instead of this mad rush to force everyone into EV's.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at February 10, 2023 11:54 AM (up/3i)

Which in turn will force everyone on mass transit... The end game

Posted by: It's me donna at February 10, 2023 11:55 AM (bs+z0)

307 To be fair, I would love to bring back wrap around windshields, chrome and mother fucking tail fins!
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at February 10, 2023 11:52 AM (zZu0s)
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Oy, I don't. I think one of the best things that ever happened in automotive styling was when Ford left the rest of Detroit with their dicks in their hands when they went the opposite direction and brought one of the coolest cars ever made: the slab-sided 1961 Lincoln Continental that set American design language for the next many years. It had shoulders, not fins.
https://is.gd/tbPs2q

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 10, 2023 11:55 AM (t0OGg)

308 What, Ford worry? Ain'tcha never heard of government bailouts?

Posted by: Harry at February 10, 2023 11:55 AM (cJfnZ)

309
Hybrid are potentially compelling and should have been what the masterminds pushed instead of this mad rush to force everyone into EV's.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at February 10, 2023 11:54 AM (up/3i)

I agree. I actually have very little gripe against hybrid vehicles. I mean, other than the unsustainable earth rape for the batteries and their unrecycleability........

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at February 10, 2023 11:56 AM (Zz0t1)

310 When that happens - which it likely will, at some point - Hyundai will replace the engine. The recall also modified the terms of the warranty to extend the engine warranty to "lifetime." It doesn't matter that the engines are tied up in the recall channel, because that's where you'll be getting one if the bearings fail.

I don't remember if the lifetime extension is transferable. I'd have to go check the paperwork.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)

--

Yeah, the rep told my neighbor to be sure to have ALL service work performed and receipts from everything from oil changes to valve adjustments. Missed one? Oh, that's why your engine failed, that's on you.

He also said the lady told him there were fifty (50) cars waiting engines in their queue alone, and if he needed a replacement there was no estimate on how long it would take.

And no loaners because 50 people are ahead of him.

Posted by: Trainwreck: Billions of people stuck with a broken immune response at February 10, 2023 11:56 AM (EdaAK)

311 I wonder how much trouble I would be in if I started a "LatAm Squatters take Gates' Farm Land" Movement.

Posted by: Kindltot at February 10, 2023 11:54 AM (xhaym)

Gates, so a lot. If you went after real farmers it would be cool

Posted by: CN at February 10, 2023 11:56 AM (Zzbjj)

312 https://is.gd/tbPs2q
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 10, 2023 11:55 AM (t0OGg)

You f*cked up. You trusted us!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at February 10, 2023 11:56 AM (Zz0t1)

313 I drove a black one for a few years (aka Darth Vader's Hearse), the manual option would have been perfect. There is a guy who did a Redeye swap on a Magnum with a manual 6 speed. Absolute beast. Magnum/Charger/300/Challenger are the same LX platform.
Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at February 10, 2023 11:55 AM (OgrpQ)

I drove a 300 as a rental. Going from a Miata (the car that was wrecked) to that felt like I was floating on a cloud steering a fucking barge.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at February 10, 2023 11:56 AM (zZu0s)

314 O/T...

I have a Ruger Mark III 22/45 Lite that I do not enjoy. I am sorely tempted to put it on consignment at a local gun store, but it will be the first time I have ever sold a gun, and I feel sort of dirty...

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 10, 2023 11:56 AM (XIJ/X)

315 They look good on the surface, but apparently that engine failure (bearing surface problems, maybe?) that has plagued so many of their cars and prompted recalls affects all of their cars. ...

State Farm just announced they won't insure a bunch of Hyundai/Kia/Genesis cars because they're so easy to steal. There's a viral trend on TikTok where youths of melanin steal one of those cars and film themselves joyriding at high speed. Several instances have ended in either the well known Theta II engine fire or fatalities.

Posted by: Ian S. at February 10, 2023 11:57 AM (ZGrMX)

316 And if we did have an opposition party they would be consistently banning things leftwing people like.

Why?

Because it distracts them from banning things normies like.

This is war. Start acting like it.

Posted by: 18-1 at February 10, 2023 11:57 AM (lc5cP)

317 He also said the lady told him there were fifty (50) cars waiting engines in their queue alone, and if he needed a replacement there was no estimate on how long it would take.

And no loaners because 50 people are ahead of him.
Posted by: Trainwreck: Billions of people stuck with a broken immune response at February 10, 2023 11:56 AM (EdaAK)
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Yup. I don't doubt that there will be some backups in that, especially starting about now because the age of the fleet is probably causing a surge of them. I am not looking forward to it when it happens, but I am confident that it will be taken care of.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 10, 2023 11:58 AM (t0OGg)

318
BREAKING NEWS!!!

My anonymous source has confirmed that Ford Motors provided the explosives that damaged the NordStream Pipeline,

two Ford Mustang Mach-E EVs.

The deadly vehicles were delivered via a Specially Modified JetSki and attached to the pipeline by President Biden himself!

More as this story breaks...

Posted by: Seymour Hersh, Suddenly a Reliable News Vendor at February 10, 2023 11:58 AM (KLPy8)

319 Hybrids are expensive and yeah, they use slave-sourced rare stuff that is environmentally damaging, and have the batteries you still have to replace ever 10-12 years at huge expense.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 10, 2023 11:58 AM (0hOvj)

320 No Tesla can drive through "window high" water unless the owner wants a bath. The seals on those cars are atrocious.

Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at February 10, 2023 11:58 AM (oWBc3)

321 > You seldom see EV's at the car wash. Can you say "electrocution?"

There are valid arguments against EVs, but that's not one of them.
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Hard disagree. They're electric. There is always the threat of electrocution with them.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at February 10, 2023 11:58 AM (Q4IgG)

322 Hybrid are potentially compelling and should have been what the masterminds pushed instead of this mad rush to force everyone into EV's.

Hybrids give people *more* freedom and mobility, since they get much higher gas mileage. That made WEF very, very sad.

Posted by: Ian S. at February 10, 2023 11:58 AM (ZGrMX)

323 Oy, I don't. I think one of the best things that ever happened in automotive styling was when Ford left the rest of Detroit with their dicks in their hands when they went the opposite direction and brought one of the coolest cars ever made: the slab-sided 1961 Lincoln Continental that set American design language for the next many years. It had shoulders, not fins.
https://is.gd/tbPs2q
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 10, 2023 11:55 AM (t0OGg)

And I think this is just the proof we have been looking for that Joe is nothing but a commie stooge.

https://tinyurl.com/bdcmwkyk

GOOD DAY, COMRADE!

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at February 10, 2023 11:58 AM (zZu0s)

324 Oh, the other fallacy? The "just charge it during off peak hours like overnight"?

When 300 million vehicles are charging overnight,

THERE IS NO OFF PEAK TIME.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 10, 2023 11:47 AM (SbJgO)

And that they will use renewables, like SOLAR to charge... even though they need to charge at NIGHT? Uhhhhhh....

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 10, 2023 11:58 AM (oHd/0)

325 because as Gates said "I am part of the solution" Posted by: CN at February 10, 2023 11:39 AM

To be fair, if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

Posted by: Chemists of AoSHQ at February 10, 2023 11:58 AM (a3Q+t)

326 Friend has an older Prius he bought used. It has the solar top thingy on it. Last I checked he's ~170K mi on the factory battery setup. No super major problems except for some filter or the timing belt or something where he had to tear off half the topside of the 'motor'.
He's moved out to Liberty County now so doesn't but used to have some dealer free oil change thing as part of the ownership.

Posted by: micky at February 10, 2023 11:59 AM (3byMq)

327 I found it interesting that Forbes completely omitted the "freedom" aspect of 15 minute cities and brayed on about " who can complain about people living within walking distance of shops". That will be the party line, but they will omit the upcoming ration card and control of what is sold in these "shops".

Posted by: CN at February 10, 2023 11:59 AM (Zzbjj)

328 @309

>>I actually have very little gripe against hybrid vehicles.

I don't either, as I said they are compelling, I mean, I will neve own one but I can see the potential utility.

There is nothing like you and a friend pulling a 2 rotor wankel engine out an RX7 by hand and using a 5 gallon bucket as an engine stand while you change Apex seals.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at February 10, 2023 11:59 AM (up/3i)

329 Hard disagree. They're electric. There is always the threat of electrocution with them.

There is with 500 amps from an ICE car's battery too. It's not the voltage, it's the current.

Posted by: Ian S. at February 10, 2023 11:59 AM (ZGrMX)

330 The FBI is currently conducting a search of former Vice President Mike Pence’s home in Indiana, a source familiar with the situation told CNN. Pence is currently on the West Coast with his family after his daughter had a baby, according to his spokesperson. A private attorney for Pence is at the Indiana house while the search is underway, the spokesperson added. The FBI is also expected to search Pence’s office in Washington, DC, in the coming days, sources told CNN.

Posted by: SMOD at February 10, 2023 11:59 AM (RHGPo)

331 The Mercury Marauder was a cool car. Rode in one and drove it.

Posted by: Thesokorus at February 10, 2023 11:59 AM (1ais2)

332 Oy, I don't. I think one of the best things that ever happened in automotive styling was when Ford left the rest of Detroit with their dicks in their hands when they went the opposite direction and brought one of the coolest cars ever made: the slab-sided 1961 Lincoln Continental that set American design language for the next many years. It had shoulders, not fins.
https://is.gd/tbPs2q
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 10, 2023

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That and their '61-'66 Thunderbirds were the coolest cars on my junior-high radar. The LC was unusual; Lincoln-Mercury tested them more extensively than they did their other cars, and they had a longer warranty than anything else on the market then. I've sat in them, but never driven one.

Robert Vaughn bought one brand new in '63 or '64. As far as I know he was still driving it late in his life, when it was 45 years old or more.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at February 10, 2023 12:00 PM (J2vNu)

333 I have one of the best modern theft deterrents on the Mustang- a six speed.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at February 10, 2023 12:00 PM (zZu0s)

334 Why the F is Chy-nah pushing EVs? Because they have no built-out ICE infrastructure/etc, and they figger adopting an EV-one will be cheaper/better in some way?

It obviously isn't because of "climate" (which of course makes no sense anyway for EVs, one of the truly beautiful and astounding idiocies of the whole thing). Otherwise they wouldn't be opening 10 coal-fired power plants per month, or whatever (which is clearly the rational choice there).

Possibly they don't expect car ownership to ever approach anything found in the US/Japan/Europe, and don't plan to invest to make car travel anything like it is in the US, so it just doesn't matter?

Posted by: rhomboid at February 10, 2023 12:00 PM (OTzUX)

335 State Farm just announced they won't insure a bunch of Hyundai/Kia/Genesis cars because they're so easy to steal. There's a viral trend on TikTok where youths of melanin steal one of those cars and film themselves joyriding at high speed. Several instances have ended in either the well known Theta II engine fire or fatalities.
Posted by: Ian S. at February 10, 2023 11:57 AM (ZGrMX)
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Depends on where you are configuration. Hyundai and Kia vehicles didn't ship with an immobilizer by default until, I think, '21. It was available as an add-on security option, but it was an *option* and a lot of people didn't buy it.

If you are one of those people and happen to live in one of the areas where car theft is rampant - but may well *not* have been rampant when you bought the car - it is an appealing target. You'll have no trouble insuring one of those cars in most places. If you're in Seattle or Denver or San Francisco and the like, though, it wouldn't shock me at all if the insurers want nothing to do with them unless they have the security package with an immobilizer.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 10, 2023 12:00 PM (t0OGg)

336 And that they will use renewables, like SOLAR to charge... even though they need to charge at NIGHT? Uhhhhhh....
Posted by: Romeo13 at February 10, 2023 11:58 AM

That's when the wind will take over, Comrade.

Posted by: Mariah at February 10, 2023 12:00 PM (a3Q+t)

337 No Tesla can drive through "window high" water unless the owner wants a bath. The seals on those cars are atrocious.

Look up the "Rufford Ford" videos on YT. The owners definitely got wet, but they also got home. The BMWs where you can hear the rods shattering not so much.

Posted by: Ian S. at February 10, 2023 12:01 PM (ZGrMX)

338 Posted by: SMOD at February 10, 2023 11:59 AM (RHGPo)

His Lawyer is allowed to watch and Trump's lawyers were locked out

Posted by: It's me donna at February 10, 2023 12:01 PM (bs+z0)

339 actually...the Bassists were loaded by the Bottom of the 5th.

Posted by: birddog at February 10, 2023 12:01 PM (uAI4S)

340 No Tesla can drive through "window high" water unless the owner wants a bath. The seals on those cars are atrocious.
==
This is completely false. I can tell you from personal experience that I bath every month INSIDE one of my two teslas. That's right. I put a hose in the window and fill it up, a little bubble bath and its good! Now, let me tell you about my adjustable rate mortgage.

Posted by: Yoe Psyden at February 10, 2023 12:01 PM (ymcOJ)

341 Guns out? at the Pence house.
That would be a sign that unlike Joey Pence is not being completely cooperative.

Posted by: micky at February 10, 2023 12:01 PM (3byMq)

342 The Ford Flex (the model without Eco-boost) is the finest car ever produced. Ugly to some, but owners and dealerships and Iowahawk agree.
Posted by: Auspex at February 10, 2023 11:35 AM (j4U/Z)
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I was fortunate to test drive one and sit in the back while someone else drove. I have been raving about them ever since.

Posted by: mustbequantum at February 10, 2023 12:01 PM (MIKMs)

343 'San Francisco downtown as we know it is not coming back,' mayor proclaims

Posted by: SMOD at February 10, 2023 12:01 PM (RHGPo)

344 And I think this is just the proof we have been looking for that Joe is nothing but a commie stooge.

https://tinyurl.com/bdcmwkyk

GOOD DAY, COMRADE!
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at February 10, 2023 11:58 AM (zZu0s)
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You're kinda proving my point. The 'Vette wasn't finned out and wallowy and overdone. It was sculpted. It wasn't a slab-sided affair like the Connie, but it was rolling sculpture just flowed along. Beautiful

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 10, 2023 12:02 PM (t0OGg)

345 Possibly they don't expect car ownership to ever approach anything found in the US/Japan/Europe, and don't plan to invest to make car travel anything like it is in the US, so it just doesn't matter?
Posted by: rhomboid at February 10, 2023 12:00 PM (OTzUX)

One thing: they have not the resources for ICE, but they have NO problem building nukes. Cheap, plentiful electricity, plus the inherent range limitations to keep people from getting uppity? Win.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at February 10, 2023 12:02 PM (zZu0s)

346 Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at February 10, 2023 11:58 AM (zZu0s)

Shut your whore mouth!

https://is.gd/uuklvI

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 10, 2023 12:02 PM (XIJ/X)

347 >>> Hyundai will replace the engine. The recall also modified the terms of the warranty to extend the engine warranty to "lifetime." It doesn't matter that the engines are tied up in the recall channel, because that's where you'll be getting one if the bearings fail.

I don't remember if the lifetime extension is transferable. I'd have to go check the paperwork.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)
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This happened to a family friend and they were very pleased with the treatment they received from Hyundai.
Yes, they also received a new motor.

Posted by: Braenyard at February 10, 2023 12:02 PM (kMJ0v)

348 > but it will be the first time I have ever sold a gun, and I feel sort of dirty...

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

when it sells, buy another gun, and ye shall be made whole again

Posted by: DB - Aim high! at February 10, 2023 12:02 PM (geLO8)

349 Lets let Uncle Joe be the first to ride in the soon to come EV Presidential Limo. Battery pack has to be changed every 10 miles moving all that weight around. And don't forget AF one, should be all electric.

Posted by: Colin at February 10, 2023 12:02 PM (P4XVj)

350 You're kinda proving my point. The 'Vette wasn't finned out and wallowy and overdone. It was sculpted. It wasn't a slab-sided affair like the Connie, but it was rolling sculpture just flowed along. Beautiful
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 10, 2023 12:02 PM (t0OGg)

Note I said chrome, wrap around windshields and fins.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at February 10, 2023 12:02 PM (zZu0s)

351 Posted by: SMOD at February 10, 2023 11:59 AM (RHGPo)

Couldn't happen to a nicer guy, but he probably agreed to it in advance. Fuck Mr. fist bump with Pelosi.

Posted by: CN at February 10, 2023 12:02 PM (Zzbjj)

352 Hybrid are potentially compelling and should have been what the masterminds pushed instead of this mad rush to force everyone into EV's.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at February 10, 2023 11:54 AM (up/3i)

I think the mad rush is because all the would-be rulers are aging, and some are *old*, and want to fulfill their dreams of lording over filthy, poverty-stricken peasants in their own lifetimes.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at February 10, 2023 12:03 PM (nC+QA)

353 It's not the voltage, it's the current.
Posted by: Ian S. at February 10, 2023 11:59 AM

Resist we must!

Posted by: Rev. You-Know-Who at February 10, 2023 12:03 PM (a3Q+t)

354 333 I have one of the best modern theft deterrents on the Mustang- a six speed.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at February 10, 2023 12:00 PM (zZu0s)

All my cars are manuals. Really limits my choices of vehicles, but I don't mind manual and its less likely to break or get stolen.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at February 10, 2023 12:03 PM (UuD2k)

355 State Farm just announced they won't insure a bunch of Hyundai/Kia/Genesis cars because they're so easy to steal.

Strangely enough you can use a USB thumb drive to start them, by busting off the shroud around the key start. Once people figure that out, they became the joy ride theft of choice, since it was so easy.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 10, 2023 12:03 PM (0hOvj)

356 Yup. I don't doubt that there will be some backups in that, especially starting about now because the age of the fleet is probably causing a surge of them. I am not looking forward to it when it happens, but I am confident that it will be taken care of.

--

Yeah, I suspect the chances are pretty good if you're still in normal warranty AND the original purchaser AND have all receipts from labor.

I suspect it would be foolish to consider a used one with 100K miles, though.

Posted by: Trainwreck: Billions of people stuck with a broken immune response at February 10, 2023 12:03 PM (EdaAK)

357 Oh, forgot to mention, the Prius in question has used dozens of tie-wraps around the fenders -- to hold them in place. Eureka!

Posted by: micky at February 10, 2023 12:03 PM (3byMq)

358 You're kinda proving my point. The 'Vette wasn't finned out and wallowy and overdone. It was sculpted. It wasn't a slab-sided affair like the Connie, but it was rolling sculpture just flowed along. Beautiful

The split-window Vettes were fantastic looking.

Posted by: Ian S. at February 10, 2023 12:04 PM (ZGrMX)

359 You're kinda proving my point. The 'Vette wasn't finned out and wallowy and overdone. It was sculpted. It wasn't a slab-sided affair like the Connie, but it was rolling sculpture just flowed along. Beautiful
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 10, 2023

***
Right; the first Sting Ray, the second-gen Corvette ('63-'67?), was a superbly-styled vehicle whether it was a fastback or a convertible.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at February 10, 2023 12:04 PM (J2vNu)

360 Note I said chrome, wrap around windshields and fins.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at February 10, 2023 12:02 PM (zZu0s)
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The 'Vette doesn't have fins, it had humps. Fair enough on the other pieces. The '57 Imperial, now *that* had fins:
https://is.gd/8Y8eVm

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 10, 2023 12:04 PM (t0OGg)

361 There is nothing like you and a friend pulling a 2 rotor wankel engine out an RX7 by hand and using a 5 gallon bucket as an engine stand while you change Apex seals.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at February 10, 2023 11:59 AM (up/3i)

Those Wankel engines are very heavy. Not a lot of void space inside them as in a piston engine.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 10, 2023 12:04 PM (tkR6S)

362 >23 schools in Baltimore have zero students proficient in math.

Eff Bee Eye stopping the "catastrophic" white supremacy attack makes more sense now. I imagine if these schools were producing positive results it would have been another "they were on our radar" event.

Posted by: Fool Otto at February 10, 2023 12:04 PM (DB16e)

363 State Farm just announced they won't insure a bunch of Hyundai/Kia/Genesis cars because they're so easy to steal. There's a viral trend on TikTok where youths of melanin steal one of those cars and film themselves joyriding at high speed. Several instances have ended in either the well known Theta II engine fire or fatalities.
Posted by: Ian S.

Would prefer a fourth button on the key fob.

The button where it locks the doors and incinerates the car and contents.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 10, 2023 12:04 PM (SbJgO)

364 This happened to a family friend and they were very pleased with the treatment they received from Hyundai.
Yes, they also received a new motor.

Posted by: Braenyard

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Problem being it apparently affects ALL their engines and there are failures across the line, and not every car is recalled because they haven't gone through the required legal hoops.

Posted by: Trainwreck: Billions of people stuck with a broken immune response at February 10, 2023 12:05 PM (EdaAK)

365 Ford: they'll lose money on a more percentage basis of cars sold. Lower trim cars will sell before higher trim cars , if for no other reason than they're cheaper. So more will be bought.

Eff Ford. After pinto and putting cheap metal in wheel wells and doors to rust faster, of they had to change the motto to Quality is Job #1.

However this will not prevent me from finding a mid to late 60s mustang to restore.

Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at February 10, 2023 12:05 PM (NW9xb)

366 355 State Farm just announced they won't insure a bunch of Hyundai/Kia/Genesis cars because they're so easy to steal.

Strangely enough you can use a USB thumb drive to start them, by busting off the shroud around the key start. Once people figure that out, they became the joy ride theft of choice, since it was so easy.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 10, 2023 12:03 PM (0hOvj)

Thus, why my Kias are in VA. You joy ride here, they throw the book at you. Notice, VA does not have a Kia joyride problem (in our local news, the thefts are always MD and DC)...

Posted by: Nova Local at February 10, 2023 12:05 PM (exHjb)

367 I've regretted selling almost every gun I've sold.

Except the Bersa Thunder. That was a turd.
Still go BOHICA on that, gun shop gave me a whopping $80 for it. Still salty about that.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at February 10, 2023 12:05 PM (lEVn+)

368 Dearly departed Jeff Beck had a split window.

Posted by: micky at February 10, 2023 12:05 PM (3byMq)

369 I suspect it would be foolish to consider a used one with 100K miles, though.
Posted by: Trainwreck: Billions of people stuck with a broken immune response at February 10, 2023 12:03 PM (EdaAK)
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It depends on the terms of the recall warranty extension. I'd have to go read the paperwork, but it was fairly generous. If it was transferable and the recall was done and the car is in good repair, it's a bet I would probably make.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 10, 2023 12:06 PM (t0OGg)

370 All my cars are manuals. Really limits my choices of vehicles, but I don't mind manual and its less likely to break or get stolen.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at February 10, 2023 12:03 PM (UuD2k)

Same, eventually want to put a rally sequential 6 in my WRX.

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at February 10, 2023 12:06 PM (OgrpQ)

371 It's not the voltage, it's the current.
Posted by: Ian S. at February 10, 2023 11:59 AM

Resist we must!

Ohmmmmmmmmm. Ohmmmmmmmmm.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 10, 2023 12:06 PM (SbJgO)

372 Eff Ford. After pinto and putting cheap metal in wheel wells and doors to rust faster, of they had to change the motto to Quality is Job #1.

Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at February 10, 2023 12:05 PM (NW9xb)

Every car manufacture on the planet does this. Cut corners to boost profit.

GM needed to put a $4 part in the Corvair and it would've been a decent little ride. But no. They skimped and KILLED people.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at February 10, 2023 12:06 PM (Zz0t1)

373 In other news, the Boeing 747-8s that will become Air Force One were repossessed from a failed Russian airline in 2017.

So I doubt the President will ever have an EV plane or car.

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 10, 2023 12:06 PM (HoPPH)

374 I have one of the best modern theft deterrents on the Mustang- a six speed.

Posted by: Aetius451AD

Millennial anti-theft device. I had to have some warranty item done on my vehicle, and stopped by in the afternoon to pick it up. "Uh, we can't bring your vehicle around right now, the guy who can drive a standard is away from the shop".

Posted by: Thomas Paine at February 10, 2023 12:07 PM (lTGtQ)

375 The Vette had a fiberglass body, which sort of limited what they could do with it styling wise in the early years.

Not that you can't do fins and things with fiberglass, it just would have greatly complicated production.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at February 10, 2023 12:07 PM (UuD2k)

376 I think Cadillac was Peak Tailfin

https://tinyurl.com/mr2rxhva

Posted by: DB - Aim high! at February 10, 2023 12:07 PM (geLO8)

377
Hybrids give people *more* freedom and mobility, since they get much higher gas mileage. That made WEF very, very sad.
Posted by: Ian S.
==
So, do you have an adjustable rate mortgage by any chance?

Posted by: Some stock advice possibly? at February 10, 2023 12:07 PM (2G+sO)

378 @361

>>Those Wankel engines are very heavy. Not a lot of void space inside them as in a piston engine.

If you take off all of the FEAD equipment, two men can reach into the engine bay and remove the motor by hand.

It's somewhere in the neighborhood of 200 lbs without the associated accessories.

The wonderful thing about the motor is how small it is and how much room there is in the engine bay.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at February 10, 2023 12:08 PM (up/3i)

379 330 The FBI is currently conducting a search of former Vice President Mike Pence’s home in Indiana, a source familiar with the situation told CNN.

Posted by: SMOD at February 10, 2023 11:59 AM (RHGPo)

That's a shame.

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at February 10, 2023 12:08 PM (DTX3h)

380 And yes, the '66 Mustang coupe or convertible (I never cared for the fastback; it looked cobbled together) was a superb example of auto styling too. A cream-colored fastback was being raffled off at the W.T. Grant store in the suburbs when I was 11 or 12. I talked Dad into buying a chance on it. He didn't win, but it was sure fun to think about.

If he had won, he'd have probably sold it. He liked 2-door cars, but he preferred big ones, GM coupes like the Chevy Impala.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at February 10, 2023 12:08 PM (J2vNu)

381 I drove a Mitsubishi hybrid as a rental when on vacation this summer.

I liked it. Not much different than driving a normal SUV.

Ignition a bit quirky at times when it was trying to figure out how it would initially move. E or non-E.

Not a huge money saver though. A bit cheaper to drive.

If it were a bit jazzier and had more pep, I might consider one in the future. Might.

Posted by: naturalfake at February 10, 2023 12:08 PM (KLPy8)

382 Zero Ohms: Resistance is futile

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 10, 2023 12:08 PM (t0OGg)

383 I often talk about how the “electric vehicle transition” will not happen, because it cannot happen. There aren’t enough mines, or resources, or foreign slave laborers to produce the necessary raw materials.

Add to that the inability of the grid to support recharging all those cars and the environmental damage of disposing of those old batteries and its not just impossible, but unacceptable.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 10, 2023 12:08 PM (0hOvj)

384 Every car manufacture on the planet does this. Cut corners to boost profit.

GM needed to put a $4 part in the Corvair and it would've been a decent little ride. But no. They skimped and KILLED people.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at February 10, 2023 12:06 PM (Zz0t1)

That's why mid-90's Toyotas still sell at high prices. The Japs over (that is, properly) engineered their cars and trucks to be durable and safe.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at February 10, 2023 12:08 PM (lEVn+)

385 Millennial anti-theft device. I had to have some warranty item done on my vehicle, and stopped by in the afternoon to pick it up. "Uh, we can't bring your vehicle around right now, the guy who can drive a standard is away from the shop".
Posted by: Thomas Paine

How hard is it to drive a stick?

I'd love to have an old pickup with three on the tree.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 10, 2023 12:08 PM (SbJgO)

386 There was a cool video shot by a guy who owns a Tesla. He goes out to the parking lot and it's got really big puddles everywhere, about half a foot or so deep. His car is in one. So he "summons" it. It backs out of the parking spot and very slowly drives to where he's standing on dry ground.

That is pretty neat.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at February 10, 2023 12:09 PM (Q4IgG)

387 Same, eventually want to put a rally sequential 6 in my WRX.
Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at February 10, 2023 12:06 PM (OgrpQ)

I bet there's several conversion kits available for that car.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at February 10, 2023 12:09 PM (UuD2k)

388 Toyota is working to cut all their legs out - they have been very quiet on EV in general. And are talking hydrogen. I believe there are some big truck engine manufacturers working on launching some fuel cells.

The technology still has lots to overcome - but, you can place it directly into the current gasoline supply system infrastructure (upgrades and mods for sure) and have the same flexibility and speed in traveling long distances.

And hydrogen has no carbon - so why isn't Davos all a buzz about hydrogen? No carbon - good, right? It's because they care not a whit about carbon (as they shouldn't, it's just plant fertilizer) - they want the plebes freedom of movement restrained. If my congressman ever votes to ban ICE - he won't want to see me.

Posted by: Black JEM at February 10, 2023 12:09 PM (UVyKP)

389 How hard is it to drive a stick? ...
Posted by: rickb223 at February 10, 2023 12:08 PM (SbJgO)
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Very, if you've never done it before.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 10, 2023 12:09 PM (t0OGg)

390 At some point it's likely one of these big auto makers is going to crash and burn giving us a nice 20th Century Motor Co. analogue.

Posted by: somedood at February 10, 2023 12:09 PM (BaGvt)

391 All my cars are manuals. Really limits my choices of vehicles, but I don't mind manual and its less likely to break or get stolen.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at February 10, 2023

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I read this as "All my cars are mammals."

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at February 10, 2023 12:09 PM (J2vNu)

392 I suspect it would be foolish to consider a used one with 100K miles, though.

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It depends on the terms of the recall warranty extension. I'd have to go read the paperwork, but it was fairly generous. If it was transferable and the recall was done and the car is in good repair, it's a bet I would probably make.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)

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That's the thing, though. They're not all recalled, and all their engines have the problem. Huge gamble if it's not one of the listed ones.

https://tinyurl.com/2ze63w5g

Posted by: Trainwreck: Billions of people stuck with a broken immune response at February 10, 2023 12:09 PM (EdaAK)

393 GM needed to put a $4 part in the Corvair and it would've been a decent little ride. But no. They skimped and KILLED people.

I would be interested to hear more about that but my impression is that the problem with the '60-'64 Corvair was the A-frame rear suspension.

Posted by: Oddbob at February 10, 2023 12:09 PM (nfrXX)

394 Buy High and sell totally wasted

Posted by: REDACTED at February 10, 2023 12:09 PM (us2H3)

395 Strangely enough you can use a USB thumb drive to start them, by busting off the shroud around the key start. Once people figure that out, they became the joy ride theft of choice, since it was so easy.

Yeah, I saw a video where they showed how easy that is and did the Picard facepalm. Imagine designing a car post 2000 where the interface between the lock cylinder and the ignition switch is the size and shape of a USB-A connector.

Posted by: Ian S. at February 10, 2023 12:09 PM (ZGrMX)

396 Shut your whore mouth!

https://is.gd/uuklvI
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 10, 2023 12:02 PM (XIJ/X)

Pretty uppity for a sous vide man. Need someone to prechew that food for you, Champ?

https://tinyurl.com/exm86axu

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at February 10, 2023 12:10 PM (zZu0s)

397 That's the thing, though. They're not all recalled, and all their engines have the problem. Huge gamble if it's not one of the listed ones.

https://tinyurl.com/2ze63w5g
Posted by: Trainwreck: Billions of people stuck with a broken immune response at February 10, 2023 12:09 PM (EdaAK)
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Sure, I don't disagree. But if it *has* been recalled and the recall has been performed and the warranty transfers, I'd take the bet.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 10, 2023 12:10 PM (t0OGg)

398
That's why mid-90's Toyotas still sell at high prices. The Japs over (that is, properly) engineered their cars and trucks to be durable and safe.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at February 10, 2023 12:08 PM (lEVn+)

I'm still baffled as to why they ditched the R22 motor (I think that's the one). That thing was bulletproof and would run forEVER.

And I'm not a Jap car guy in the least.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at February 10, 2023 12:10 PM (Zz0t1)

399 nood cuomo

Posted by: Fool Otto at February 10, 2023 12:10 PM (DB16e)

400 The wonderful thing about the motor is how small it is and how much room there is in the engine bay.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at February 10, 2023 12:08 PM (up/3i)

And the 10,000 Redline. They cool thing about the 13b's is they have aftermarket mods so you can add more rotors. 2.1 turbo charged can produce 1,000 whp.

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at February 10, 2023 12:10 PM (OgrpQ)

401 I thought it was an even more simple issue with the Corvair, proper tire inflation.

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 10, 2023 12:10 PM (HoPPH)

402 Buck, I live in Orlando. Not going to the show but would attend a moron event. Will there be a gathering?

Posted by: Earl Schlobodowicz at February 10, 2023 12:10 PM (P7Iz+)

403 How hard is it to drive a stick? ...

With or without the plushie horse's head on the end?

Posted by: Oddbob at February 10, 2023 12:11 PM (nfrXX)

404
Hey, Ford!

Firestarter would be a great name for one of your EVs!

You're welcome!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at February 10, 2023 12:11 PM (pNxlR)

405 How hard is it to drive a stick? ...

With or without the plushie horse's head on the end?
Posted by: Oddbob

Lol

Posted by: rickb223 at February 10, 2023 12:11 PM (SbJgO)

406 All my cars are manuals. Really limits my choices of vehicles, but I don't mind manual and its less likely to break or get stolen.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at February 10, 2023

Millennial anti-theft device.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at February 10, 2023 12:11 PM (Zz0t1)

407 Very, if you've never done it before.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 10, 2023 12:09 PM (t0OGg)

I grew up with standard transmission cars, so it is easy for me.

Hell, I remember going with my parents to order a station wagon with a standard. It was a special order and it took a fair amount of time.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 10, 2023 12:11 PM (XIJ/X)

408 How hard is it to drive a stick?

Honestly, its not tough but you have to understand some mechanical process. Unless you're stopped on a hill, that's not much fun.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 10, 2023 12:11 PM (0hOvj)

409 GM needed to put a $4 part in the Corvair and it would've been a decent little ride. But no. They skimped and KILLED people.

As often happens with GM, they fixed it and then discontinued the model. (See also the '88 Fieros, which had all the problems fixed).

A YouTuber who does off-road towing has a mint-condition Corvair wagon body on basically a lifted Jeep chassis with huge tires and an LS engine. It looks great and it pulls stuff many times its size effortlessly.

Posted by: Ian S. at February 10, 2023 12:12 PM (ZGrMX)

410 I've experienced the theft deterrent meme for my 98 1500 ram w/5spd but at a shop. Kid goes out to bring it into the bay. I see him jump out after a minute or two and start slowly walking back into the shop.

And I chuckled.

Posted by: micky at February 10, 2023 12:12 PM (3byMq)

411 Except the Bersa Thunder. That was a turd.
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Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards,
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Tell me more.

Posted by: Braenyard at February 10, 2023 12:12 PM (kMJ0v)

412 How hard is it to drive a stick? ...
Posted by: rickb223 at February 10, 2023 12:08 PM (SbJgO)
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Very, if you've never done it before.

Posted by: Joe Mannix

Heh, I learned to drive at 11 by backing our boat trailer up and down ramps with a manual transmission. Everything else was easy after that.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at February 10, 2023 12:12 PM (lTGtQ)

413 The proponents of EV's can squeak, blather, threaten and fulminate endlessly, but until an alternate to the ICE that eclipses ALL the advantages of the current system is perfected we'll be using it.

Not gonna happen. I want to see the aneurysm when they finally realize that fact. It will be epic enjoyment.

Posted by: irongrampa at February 10, 2023 12:13 PM (KATBx)

414 Pretty uppity for a sous vide man. Need someone to prechew that food for you, Champ?

https://tinyurl.com/exm86axu

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at February 10, 2023 12:10 PM (zZu0s)

Shut your Eurotrash whore mouth!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 10, 2023 12:13 PM (XIJ/X)

415 I thought it was an even more simple issue with the Corvair, proper tire inflation.
Posted by: Anna Puma at February 10, 2023 12:10 PM (HoPPH)

Nah. The lack of a sway bar and torque steer sending the vehicle veering off road was the biggie.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at February 10, 2023 12:13 PM (Zz0t1)

416 And hydrogen has no carbon - so why isn't Davos all a buzz about hydrogen? No carbon - good, right? It's because they care not a whit about carbon (as they shouldn't, it's just plant fertilizer) - they want the plebes freedom of movement restrained. If my congressman ever votes to ban ICE - he won't want to see me.
Posted by: Black JEM at February 10, 2023 12:09 PM (UVyKP)

Hydrogen also contains practically no* energy. And it's hard to transport and store. And you have to consume a lot of energy to make it.

*hyperbole alert, but not too far off the mark

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 10, 2023 12:13 PM (tkR6S)

417 GM needed to put a $4 part in the Corvair and it would've been a decent little ride. But no. They skimped and KILLED people.
Posted by: Sponge

Understand planned obsolescence. But to shout about it with a new motto is a disgrace.

We were crappy. Now we're less crappy.

Bold move Cotton.

Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at February 10, 2023 12:13 PM (NW9xb)

418 Late last month, mysterious green laser beams were spotted from Hawaii's tallest peak. Experts initially said the burst of laser beams was emitted by a NASA spacecraft though that was proven incorrect this week -- with evidence pointing to a Chinese satellite.

Space experts at the National Astronomical Observatory of Japan (NAOJ) initially tweeted on Jan. 30 that the Subaru-Asahi Star Camera "captured green laser lights in the cloudy sky over Maunakea, Hawai'i. The lights are thought to be from a remote-sensing altimeter satellite ICESAT-2/43613."

But on Feb. 6, one week later, NAOJ issued a correction on YouTube that specified the laser beams weren't from a US spacecraft but the "most likely candidate" was a "Chinese Daqi-1/AEMS satellite."

Posted by: SMOD at February 10, 2023 12:13 PM (RHGPo)

419 @400

>> They cool thing about the 13b's is they have aftermarket mods so you can add more rotors.

I've only ever seen a 3-rotor in the wild once, that was at a street race and they smoked a Nitros augmented Supra by a lot.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at February 10, 2023 12:13 PM (up/3i)

420 The 'Vette doesn't have fins, it had humps. Fair enough on the other pieces. The '57 Imperial, now *that* had fins:
https://is.gd/8Y8eVm
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 10, 2023 12:04 PM (t0OGg)

And that is fucking gorgeous. I could do without the faux tire rack, but even so. Glittery. Space age.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at February 10, 2023 12:14 PM (zZu0s)

421 I gave a step son afraid of driving in snow. Can only imagine how he’d handle driving a stick in the snow!

Posted by: Rex B at February 10, 2023 12:14 PM (xT61F)

422 Oh, the other fallacy? The "just charge it during off peak hours like overnight"?

When 300 million vehicles are charging overnight,

THERE IS NO OFF PEAK TIME.
Posted by: rickb223
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I just received a notice yesterday from Duke Power. Their rates will be going up 17% over the next 3 years.

Posted by: lMike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 10, 2023 12:14 PM (lGAue)

423 Ford CEO Farley “Frustrated” by $2 Billion Loss for 2022

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Not as "frustrated" we are, you overpaid government stooge.

Posted by: FORD stockholders at February 10, 2023 12:14 PM (aILvO)

424 Daddy took the t-bird away is the plan, Stan.

Posted by: micky at February 10, 2023 12:15 PM (3byMq)

425 Posted by: lMike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 10, 2023 12:14 PM (lGAue)

How you doing?

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at February 10, 2023 12:15 PM (Zz0t1)

426 Sure, I don't disagree. But if it *has* been recalled and the recall has been performed and the warranty transfers, I'd take the bet.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)

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A Hyundai with a new engine and warranty through the dealer/factory? Sure, especially if the price is right. But not one with 100K and no receipts.

Heck, I'm not even sure about a 50K one, and I love me some used cars.

Posted by: Trainwreck: Billions of people stuck with a broken immune response at February 10, 2023 12:15 PM (EdaAK)

427 Although I'll acknowledge that most people don't expect to put 200K+ on their cars like I do.

Posted by: Trainwreck: Billions of people stuck with a broken immune response at February 10, 2023 12:16 PM (EdaAK)

428 And hydrogen has no carbon - so why isn't Davos all a buzz about hydrogen? No carbon - good, right? It's because they care not a whit about carbon (as they shouldn't, it's just plant fertilizer) - they want the plebes freedom of movement restrained.
==
Did they figure out how to make the fuel tank last longer than six months and not cost 16,000 dollars each?

*Hydrogen is such a small molecule it gets inside the walls of the tanks and makes it brittle. Gotta use specialty stainless steel, v. expensive and still has problems. Also mass production of those tanks, nope.

Posted by: The perfect is the enemy of the good, and the ICE and the fuel distribution system is primo at February 10, 2023 12:16 PM (spDL0)

429
That's it! The little upstart Ford should try for market share! If only Ford could get market share. If only they were one of, say, the largest car manufacturers. A "Big 3," if you will.
Posted by: Wally

Just think of all the resources Ford could repurpose to building EVs if they complete this plan to completely shut down production of those wasteful F-series pickup trucks.

*looks at sales stats showing the F-series being the best selling vehicle in the US every year since 1981*

Yeah, this is gonna work out well.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at February 10, 2023 12:17 PM (n+4am)

430 Heh, I learned to drive at 11 by backing our boat trailer up and down ramps with a manual transmission. Everything else was easy after that.
Posted by: Thomas Paine
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Learned first gear with no leap in the front yard.
Learned second and third in the country.
First gear is 2/3 of the learning.

But leaping lizards, when you're hot rodding, don't forget the clutch between 1 and 2.

Posted by: Braenyard at February 10, 2023 12:18 PM (kMJ0v)

431 Except the Bersa Thunder. That was a turd.
...
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards,
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Tell me more.

Posted by: Braenyard at February 10, 2023 12:12 PM (kMJ0v)

It wouldn't feed reliably! Every other round was a jam, even with ball ammo. Very frustrating.

I ended up buying a Kahr 380, and that was too light, so I got a CZ 83 and that was too heavy and hard to find good holsters for, then got a Glock 42 and that one works fine.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at February 10, 2023 12:18 PM (lEVn+)

432 I thought it was an even more simple issue with the Corvair, proper tire inflation.
Posted by: Anna Puma at February 10, 2023 12:10 PM (HoPPH)

Biggest issue was drivers buying it, thinking it would handle like the typical understeering North American car, when it really handled like an oversteering swing-axle VW Beetle.

A mismatch between car characteristics and driver expectations. You could roll a Beetle the same way, but people expected different handling characteristics from them, and learned how to exploit them.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 10, 2023 12:18 PM (tkR6S)

433 The lack of a sway bar and torque steer sending the vehicle veering off road was the biggie.

They weren't nearly as dangerous as Ralph Nader claimed, but yeah it was a dumb oversight. Neat little cars though.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 10, 2023 12:20 PM (0hOvj)

434 423 Ford CEO Farley “Frustrated” by $2 Billion Loss for 2022
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Not as "frustrated" we are, you overpaid government stooge.
Posted by: FORD stockholders
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Ford recovered faster and better than most during the Obama debacle. You'd think that they would have taken notes.

Posted by: Braenyard at February 10, 2023 12:21 PM (kMJ0v)

435 Electric vehicles more expensive to fuel than gas-powered cars at end of 2022: consulting firm

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I've got a plan to fix THAT!

Posted by: F-in' Joe Biden at February 10, 2023 12:22 PM (aILvO)

436 nood

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at February 10, 2023 12:23 PM (lEVn+)

437 Honesty I do not understand why American car manufacturers were so slow to include better suspensions on their products. Its more expensive but not enormously so. Why make a car that goes like hell but steers like hell as well? For fifty more bucks in 1966 you could make a Mustang steer and handle much better, why not even try?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 10, 2023 12:23 PM (0hOvj)

438 (HoPPH)

Biggest issue was drivers buying it, thinking it would handle like the typical understeering North American car, when it really handled like an oversteering swing-axle VW Beetle.

A mismatch between car characteristics and driver expectations. You could roll a Beetle the same way, but people expected different handling characteristics from them, and learned how to exploit them.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 10, 2023 12:18 PM (tkR6S)
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There was a study that showed the Corvair was no more dangerous than most other cars on the road.
Ralph (bullshitter professional alarmist) Nader killed the Corvair.

Posted by: Braenyard at February 10, 2023 12:25 PM (kMJ0v)

439 Because American car makers.did not have as much competition in the 1960s and there were a lot of aftermarket shops.

-- Former owner of a '64 mustang that burned oil

Posted by: JM in Fla/Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at February 10, 2023 12:29 PM (aILvO)

440 Things that make ya say Hmmmm
What might be an energy dense, long burning, fuel source to replace coal in old coal plants?
EV Batteries?

Posted by: birddog at February 10, 2023 12:33 PM (uAI4S)

441 A statement written by her friends on Thursday night stated, “It is with a heavy heart that we announce that Oakland baker, small business owner, social justice activist, and community member Jen Angel has been medically declared to have lost all brain function, and will not regain consciousness. Her official time of death was 5:48 p.m.”

Posted by: SMOD at February 10, 2023 12:34 PM (RHGPo)

442 421 I gave a step son afraid of driving in snow. Can only imagine how he’d handle driving a stick in the snow!
Posted by: Rex B at February 10, 2023 12:14 PM (xT61F)

Might transform his fear to respect. Respect and prudence in snow is great.

Posted by: Emmie at February 10, 2023 12:37 PM (Emce2)

443 I own a 2011 convertible Mustang and will never give it up.
Posted by: mpfs , In a permanent state of confusion at February 10, 2023 11:23 AM (Q9/40)

I own a 2006 Mustang GT (bought new in March 2006) with 362,000 miles on it. I won't give it up either.

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy now with twice the crazy at February 10, 2023 12:39 PM (Zvtjl)

444 A few years back, I was on a small team doing some analysis and concept engineering for the next generation of Navy oceanographic survey ships. One of the prospective designs looked at pushing all the bathymetric survey capability off of the ship and onto a large number of UUVs (Unmanned Underwater Vehicles), basically making it a UUV mothership.

We had to design the recharging bay to magazine standards, with blowout panels in the side of the ship so that burning batteries could be ejected, and an extensive fire-suppression capability.

Posted by: Directrix Gazer at February 10, 2023 12:42 PM (dAKhf)

445 EVs for food deliveries? Yup...just need two of them, driver hopping back and forth between cars and chargers, each one costing nearly twice what the driver earns per year.
"Can't ride two horses with one ass sugar britches."

Posted by: birddog at February 10, 2023 12:44 PM (uAI4S)

446 "they are foregoing profits now in the hope of capturing market share."

Capturing market share only works until people decide that the car they bought from you is too much trouble and swear to never buy a Ford again.

Posted by: FeatherBlade at February 10, 2023 12:46 PM (k2o2s)

447 The future looks bleak /
Gotta wear shades

https://tinyurl.com/2s3vm6m9

Posted by: aelfheld at February 10, 2023 12:47 PM (Zy9Yy)

448 24 EV's are the wave of the future.

Unless these CEOs and "elites" are stopped, the wave of the future will be gas cars from non rust states to refurbish. The James Bond villains were always thwarted by James Bond and other military groups. Now those people take their orders from the James Bond villains

Posted by: azjaeger at February 10, 2023 01:57 PM (3/XaG)

449 Sorry I missed this discussion when it went up. I'll just quickly state my thoughts.

Buck Throckmorton, thank you for your work on the blog. I appreciate what you do. But I completely disagree with most of your post.

I think Toyota and GM are doomed, but Ford will survive, because of what Ford is doing now. The writing is on the wall, BEVs are going to kill ICEVs, but Ford is going to make BEVs and survive.

Ford, GM, Toyota, and the others should have been working on BEVs since the Model S shipped in 2012. Now it's very late. Ford is splitting into two businesses, their ICE business and their BEV business, and the ICE business is going to die. If they had started on BEVs in 2012 this might not have been necessary.

I do agree that it's scary when a BEV catches on fire.

I agree that the "eat the bugs" elites want to control us, but that is not why BEVs are going to win. And ICEVs could have control chips installed if we ever let it come to that point.

Posted by: mr_jack at February 10, 2023 02:48 PM (57l0O)

450 BEVS do not have the resources to replace ICE's. There just isn't enough raw material to do so. I'm not suggesting hydrogen does necessarily - it has some of the same problems. But EVS need something else we do not have - electrical generation capacity. We don't have near enough, and have no way to do so in the near future, especially with green stuff.

GM actually started EVs if you remember. And they have committed to making all EVs within like 15 years. But I have no faith in their ability to do it. Toyota I would never bet against. Better run than any car company on the planet.

Posted by: Black JEM at February 10, 2023 02:52 PM (UVyKP)

451 True: a BEV needs hundreds of pounds of minerals for the battery. Well, an ICEV needs thousands of pounds of crude oil refined into hundreds of gallons of fuel every year, but you never say "gasoline cars take too many resources."

We had to build a lot of gasoline refineries to accommodate all the gasoline cars. We will have to build a lot of lithium processing plants to accommodate building all the BEVs and other batteries for the future.

Lithium is a super-common element and we won't ever run out of it. At some point we will have enough cars and batteries and we will be recycling the ones that are 20+ years old. It's faster and cheaper to recycle lithium batteries than to find more lithium.

And other technology batteries are possible; it's still early days on the BEV transition. Lithium batteries can serve for BEVs but if something better appears we can pivot to that.

Anyway we need hundreds of pounds of minerals to make a BEV battery... and then that BEV can drive around for a couple of decades, and then the battery can be recycled and that lithium used again. Gasoline cars just burn up their fuel, and need oil changes too.

Posted by: mr_jack at February 10, 2023 02:52 PM (57l0O)

452 #450 Black JEM

GM has proven unable to make BEVs at large scale for a profit. GM has well over 100 billion dollars of debt and will have to go deeper into debt to try to transition to BEVs. I don't think they will make it.

Toyota has steadfastly refused to work on BEVs. Even today they are pushing hydrogen, which is a fool's errand. Hydrogen looked promising when batteries sucked; now batteries are pretty good, and hydrogen's disadvantages haven't changed. Finally Toyota made one BEV and its wheels fell off.

https://bit.ly/3YsbXR5

If Toyota had started on BEVs in 2012 and not wasted time on hydrogen they would be a solid bet to carve out a good chunk of the BEV market. If they go 100% for BEVs starting right now, who knows, maybe they can survive; I'm not really a business expert.

Signs show that Tesla is gearing up for their equivalent of a Model T. Lower cost and produced at massive scale. They will grab the lion's share of the worldwide car market if they can pull this off.

Posted by: mr_jack at February 10, 2023 03:00 PM (57l0O)

453 Ford is going to mass produce the Edsel again just like with New Coke

Posted by: Tamaa the Drongo Bird at February 10, 2023 05:48 PM (wGqjj)

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