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Zelensky: Thanks America, But You're Really Letting Us Down
I do enjoy him doing what all foreign leaders do, which is disrespecting Biden.
Byron York
@ByronYork Zelensky is apparently prepared to tell Congress that whatever the US has given Ukraine -- $45 billion in new aid now under consideration -- it is not enough. From
@AP Link
In a speech before Congress, Zelensky did in fact say thanks, but you must do more for my cause.
Rebeccah Heinrichs
@RLHeinrichs The problem isn’t the amount of money. The problem is that the Biden admin continues to withhold certain kinds of weapons that Ukraine needs. The Biden WH is obscuring this fact by touting the number.
So, so, here the front line, the tyranny which has no lack of cruelty against the lives of free people -- and your support is crucial, not just to stand in such fight but to get to the turning point to win on the battlefield. We have artillery, yes. Thank you. We have it. Is it enough? Honestly, not really. To ensure Bakhmut is not just a stronghold that holds back the Russian Army, but for the Russian Army to completely pull out, more cannons and shells are needed. If so, just like the Battle of Saratoga, the fight for Bakhmut will change the trajectory of our war for independence and for freedom. If your Patriots stop the Russian terror against our cities, it will let Ukrainian patriots work to the full to defend our freedom. When Russia -- when Russia cannot reach our cities by its artillery, it tries to destroy them with missile attacks. More than that, Russia found an ally in this -- in this genocidal policy: Iran. Iranian deadly drones sent to Russia in hundreds -- in hundreds became a threat to our critical infrastructure. That is how one terrorist has found the other. It is just a matter of time when they will strike against your other allies if we do not stop them now. We must do it.The idea that Russia, bogged-down in Ukraine, is going to strike "our other allies," is as plausible as the US deciding to take out Iran while it was bogged down in Iraq and Afghanistan. I don't begrudge him his rhetoric for his own cause. But this is total horseshit, and we shouldn't be afraid to say so. Even if it is the "kind of thing Russia would want to say," as Jim Geraghty's new formulation for Russian Disinformation has it. (See Sidebar.) Zelensky thinks that his own country is important enough to fight for. I wish that Mitch McConnell and National Review equally believed their own country was important enough to fight for.
Sustained applause for President Zelensky before a joint session of Congress. pic.twitter.com/XYmukPxtTP
— Kaitlan Collins (@kaitlancollins) December 22, 2022
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Posted by: Tom Brady at December 22, 2022 12:05 PM (Mkvkw)
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and not only Zalensky, but the italicans are here as well
Posted by: Tom Brady at December 22, 2022 12:06 PM (Mkvkw)
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Give me Katerina Soria, asshole, and we can call it even.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at December 22, 2022 12:06 PM (zZu0s)
Posted by: Tom Brady at December 22, 2022 12:06 PM (Mkvkw)
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and corgis called
Posted by: Tom Brady at December 22, 2022 12:06 PM (Mkvkw)
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at December 22, 2022 12:07 PM (Y+l9t)
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Why doesn’t Zelensky just hold a bake sale?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 22, 2022 12:07 PM (gaUxn)
Posted by: Press Juan For English at December 22, 2022 12:07 PM (HQPbJ)
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He might be a hustler, but he's also very centered.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at December 22, 2022 12:07 PM (V6f9+)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 22, 2022 12:07 PM (csytg)
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Sidebar: I was once friendly with Geraghty and have tried to exclude him from my criticism of the Establishment liberals at National Review, but this marks the end of that for me.
Sorry, Ace. It must suck to see these people expose themselves.
Sorry, Ace. It must suck to see these people expose themselves.
Posted by: Comrade flounder, Disinformation Demon at December 22, 2022 12:07 PM (hgD8w)
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The idea that Russia, bogged-down in Ukraine, is going to strike "our other allies," is as plausible as the US deciding to take out Iran while it was bogged down in Iraq and Afghanistan.
The domino theory returns after sixty years!
The domino theory returns after sixty years!
Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 22, 2022 12:07 PM (KCOCK)
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This z asshole has helped me to spread my general feelings of contempt and disgust between the dem assholes and the repub assholes. Thanks z.
Posted by: banana Dream at December 22, 2022 12:07 PM (0fVbu)
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Translation: My wife's $40k+ shopping spree in Paris is "not enough."
Posted by: Elric Blade at December 22, 2022 12:07 PM (iFTx/)
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Team America World Police!
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at December 22, 2022 12:08 PM (uNylN)
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Fuck that guy in particular.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at December 22, 2022 12:08 PM (u73oe)
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235 nood
ewok
Ukes
Posted by: banana Dream at December 22, 2022 12:05 PM (0fVbu)
Banana Dream, with the Nood call in prior thread with no first. This is how Men do it. I nominate him for the the Blog Cursus Honorum.
ewok
Ukes
Posted by: banana Dream at December 22, 2022 12:05 PM (0fVbu)
Banana Dream, with the Nood call in prior thread with no first. This is how Men do it. I nominate him for the the Blog Cursus Honorum.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at December 22, 2022 12:08 PM (zZu0s)
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hiya
Posted by: JT at December 22, 2022 12:08 PM (T4tVD)
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The Italicans rush to the center.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 22, 2022 12:08 PM (tkR6S)
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I'm almost on Russia's side... At least you know what you're getting with him....
Posted by: It's me donna at December 22, 2022 12:08 PM (bs+z0)
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This congress is just disgusting. The bit with the Ukranian flag should never be allowed in our House.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at December 22, 2022 12:08 PM (Y+l9t)
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aww
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at December 22, 2022 12:08 PM (V6f9+)
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check one two, check one two. anyone else here?
Posted by: Tom Brady at December 22, 2022 12:08 PM (Mkvkw)
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1 first
Posted by: Tom Brady at December 22, 2022 12:05 PM (Mkvkw)
I don't believe for a moment that Tom Brady was first, and I won't rest until I expose the HQ's comment system as the fraud that it is.
Posted by: Tom Brady at December 22, 2022 12:05 PM (Mkvkw)
I don't believe for a moment that Tom Brady was first, and I won't rest until I expose the HQ's comment system as the fraud that it is.
Posted by: Mike Lindell at December 22, 2022 12:09 PM (KFhLj)
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Zelensky is apparently prepared to tell Congress that whatever the US has given Ukraine -- $45 billion in new aid now under consideration -- it is not enough.
F*ck off, grifter.
F*ck off, grifter.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at December 22, 2022 12:09 PM (Xrfse)
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Brandon is defining dementia down.
Posted by: torabora at December 22, 2022 12:09 PM (a5c5i)
Posted by: Joe Biden at December 22, 2022 12:09 PM (dNNCD)
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Willowed but also on point.
Well, that explains it.
Jimmy Failla@jimmyfailla
Don’t bag on Zelensky for showing up to the White House in a sweatshirt. Apparently a member of the Biden administration stole his luggage.
Well, that explains it.
Jimmy Failla@jimmyfailla
Don’t bag on Zelensky for showing up to the White House in a sweatshirt. Apparently a member of the Biden administration stole his luggage.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 22, 2022 12:09 PM (FVME7)
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When do we make Ukraine our 51st state? Two more Dem senators... winner!
Posted by: Fat Jonah of Krypton at December 22, 2022 12:09 PM (eDqf7)
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Just did an image search of Katerina Soria. Yowza!
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 22, 2022 12:09 PM (gaUxn)
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23 check one two, check one two. anyone else here?
Posted by: Tom Brady at December 22, 2022 12:08 PM (Mkvkw)
No one here but us chickens!
-The Fox
Posted by: Tom Brady at December 22, 2022 12:08 PM (Mkvkw)
No one here but us chickens!
-The Fox
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at December 22, 2022 12:09 PM (zZu0s)
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Why doesn’t Zelensky just hold a bake sale?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 22, 2022 12:07 PM (gaUxn)
He could put on a show!
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 22, 2022 12:07 PM (gaUxn)
He could put on a show!
Posted by: zombie Mickey Rooney at December 22, 2022 12:09 PM (tkR6S)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 22, 2022 12:09 PM (csytg)
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30 Just did an image search of Katerina Soria. Yowza!
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 22, 2022 12:09 PM (gaUxn)
Indeed.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 22, 2022 12:09 PM (gaUxn)
Indeed.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at December 22, 2022 12:10 PM (zZu0s)
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"I don't begrudge him his rhetoric for his own cause. But this is total horseshit, and we shouldn't be afraid to say so. Even if it is the "kind of thing Russia would want to say," as Jim Geraghty's new formulation for Russian Disinformation has it. (See Sidebar.)"
Geraghty suffers from a cognitive dissonance widespread in the NPC-infested United States. The moment his internet goes out and he can't shove slop into his pig face because there is no transportation to and from NYC, he'll do a 180. And that presupposes he even is alive. Putin is in a corner and a nuclear first strike now looks like a good option to him.
Geraghty suffers from a cognitive dissonance widespread in the NPC-infested United States. The moment his internet goes out and he can't shove slop into his pig face because there is no transportation to and from NYC, he'll do a 180. And that presupposes he even is alive. Putin is in a corner and a nuclear first strike now looks like a good option to him.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 22, 2022 12:10 PM (KSNKu)
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Since day 1 I couldn't care less about Ukraine but wish them well
Posted by: Skip's phone at December 22, 2022 12:10 PM (wjsVP)
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Honestly...I don't begrudge Zelensky for his hustle.
The Ukes didn't deserve to be invaded and they did not roll over and take it. I admire that.
There are other things I'd ding Zelensky for, but not for coming looking for handouts from Uncle Sugar. Churchill did the same, and more, in similar circumstances.
The Ukes didn't deserve to be invaded and they did not roll over and take it. I admire that.
There are other things I'd ding Zelensky for, but not for coming looking for handouts from Uncle Sugar. Churchill did the same, and more, in similar circumstances.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at December 22, 2022 12:10 PM (V6f9+)
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They aren't going to be happy until there are mushroom clouds. Think of the leverage that crisis will give the government!
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Set the Earth to fire and reshape it closer to the heart's desire at December 22, 2022 12:10 PM (R8uWY)
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Ace-
I agree with your final comments about our "leadership's" disinterest in fighting for our country, and that it's highly unlikely that Russia will invade ANOTHER country while it's getting its ass handed to it in Ukraine. Still, Zelensky used rhetoric which was, in some cases, a bit clumsy, but that's what you do when you're fighting for your life.
Would that Ronna McDaniel had a bit of Kari Lake in her.
I agree with your final comments about our "leadership's" disinterest in fighting for our country, and that it's highly unlikely that Russia will invade ANOTHER country while it's getting its ass handed to it in Ukraine. Still, Zelensky used rhetoric which was, in some cases, a bit clumsy, but that's what you do when you're fighting for your life.
Would that Ronna McDaniel had a bit of Kari Lake in her.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 22, 2022 12:11 PM (eOEVl)
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He could put on a show!
Posted by: zombie Mickey Rooney at December 22, 2022 12:09 PM (tkR6S)
I hear he plays a mean penis piano
Posted by: zombie Mickey Rooney at December 22, 2022 12:09 PM (tkR6S)
I hear he plays a mean penis piano
Posted by: It's me donna at December 22, 2022 12:11 PM (bs+z0)
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Excellent thread on Ukraine and the genesis and our funding of Azov, which makes last night's display in Congress all that more disgusting.
Kanekoa @KanekoaTheGreat
1/ THREAD ON UKRAINE
https://tinyurl.com/45ret48z
Kanekoa @KanekoaTheGreat
1/ THREAD ON UKRAINE
https://tinyurl.com/45ret48z
Posted by: Comrade flounder, Disinformation Demon at December 22, 2022 12:11 PM (hgD8w)
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I hate this guy, but I gotta hand it to him: he treats Biden and indeed the entire US government with the disgust and contempt that they deserve. He's basically come here to beg for money, and he does so by shitting on the very people he's begging money from. Then these people give him a standing ovation! Shame is part of the kink. Guy's got some balls, I'll give him that.
Posted by: Elric Blade at December 22, 2022 12:11 PM (iFTx/)
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I'm telling you guys... however this ends for Ukraine, it ends for the Zelnskys in a large Montecito estate where they live by the pool when they aren't shooting their boring Netflix series. Bank it. That's Volodomyr's end goal - the kind of celebrity he could never achieve as Uke soap-opera dude.
I'm telling you guys... however this ends for Ukraine, it ends for the Zelnskys in a large Montecito estate where they live by the pool when they aren't shooting their boring Netflix series. Bank it. That's Volodomyr's end goal - the kind of celebrity he could never achieve as Uke soap-opera dude.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 22, 2022 12:11 PM (oINRc)
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How much of this Ukrainian "aid" is going into the Democrat's and Republican's pockets? Besides the "big guy's" 10 percent.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 22, 2022 12:11 PM (Q4IgG)
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We have disappointed him.
Posted by: ... at December 22, 2022 12:11 PM (Anwxb)
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check one two, check one two. anyone else here?
Posted by: Tom Brady at December 22, 2022 12:08 PM (Mkvkw)
I think you meant this for the Tampa Bay Offense Line thread...
Posted by: Tom Brady at December 22, 2022 12:08 PM (Mkvkw)
I think you meant this for the Tampa Bay Offense Line thread...
Posted by: Boswell at December 22, 2022 12:11 PM (+Cgut)
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Is anyone else throwing money at him, or is it just the US?
Posted by: Jordan61 at December 22, 2022 12:12 PM (DRSnL)
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Yes, we must support Belenksy and Irakians and have them kill Russkies over there so we don't have to fight them here.
And giving Irkiane more than the Russian's annual military budget in 10 months isn't enough.
And giving Irkiane more than the Russian's annual military budget in 10 months isn't enough.
Posted by: Thrawn at December 22, 2022 12:12 PM (9ewTg)
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It's all mostly grafting, probably not pennies on the dollar doing any help
Posted by: Skip's phone at December 22, 2022 12:12 PM (wjsVP)
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It's almost as if Zelensky had some sort of control over Biden and his cronies. Something in the form of blackmail material.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 22, 2022 12:12 PM (ZLI7S)
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Any chance we will ever get a detailed explanation of where our money is going, who it is benefiting and exactly what we are supporting?
Are we buying tents or clothes or food? Or are we buying million dollar third homes in Switzerland for the Z man and his cronies? Can it be proven this isn't all just a giant money laundering scheme?
No. No it can't. Because that's exactly what this is. Everyone knows it and no one cares because they are all dirty filthy rotten scoundrels.
Are we buying tents or clothes or food? Or are we buying million dollar third homes in Switzerland for the Z man and his cronies? Can it be proven this isn't all just a giant money laundering scheme?
No. No it can't. Because that's exactly what this is. Everyone knows it and no one cares because they are all dirty filthy rotten scoundrels.
Posted by: nurse ratched, I wanna cookie, dammit! at December 22, 2022 12:12 PM (U2p+3)
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Remember, gathered Elites- no Ukraine, no Ukrainian baby farms!
Posted by: Zelensky at December 22, 2022 12:12 PM (yZlY6)
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"We" are playing both sides of this war. I have said it from jump. It will surface one day.
Posted by: ... at December 22, 2022 12:12 PM (Anwxb)
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I don't believe for a moment that Tom Brady was first, and I won't rest until I expose the HQ's comment system as the fraud that it is.
Posted by: Mike Lindell at December 22, 2022 12:09 PM (KFhLj)
This is outrageous! Elon Musk needs to buy the HQ for $44 billion and get to the bottom of this sham.
Posted by: Mike Lindell at December 22, 2022 12:09 PM (KFhLj)
This is outrageous! Elon Musk needs to buy the HQ for $44 billion and get to the bottom of this sham.
Posted by: Napoleon XIV at December 22, 2022 12:12 PM (AiZBA)
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Way too many “conservatives” supporting this money laundering globo homo operation.
Posted by: x at December 22, 2022 12:12 PM (rWUSz)
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Russia, Ukraine, EU, US- there is nobody good involved in this clusterfuck.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at December 22, 2022 12:13 PM (XvQxw)
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I'm telling you guys... however this ends for Ukraine, it ends for the Zelnskys in a large Montecito estate where they live by the pool when they aren't shooting their boring Netflix series. Bank it. That's Volodomyr's end goal - the kind of celebrity he could never achieve as Uke soap-opera dude.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 22, 2022 12:11 PM (oINRc)
Naaahhh. Zelensky thinks this, but either the Russians or Western intelligence have a bullet with his name on it.
I'm telling you guys... however this ends for Ukraine, it ends for the Zelnskys in a large Montecito estate where they live by the pool when they aren't shooting their boring Netflix series. Bank it. That's Volodomyr's end goal - the kind of celebrity he could never achieve as Uke soap-opera dude.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 22, 2022 12:11 PM (oINRc)
Naaahhh. Zelensky thinks this, but either the Russians or Western intelligence have a bullet with his name on it.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 22, 2022 12:13 PM (KSNKu)
Posted by: SturmToddler at December 22, 2022 12:13 PM (Mkvkw)
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When did Ukraine become an ally, and not just a corrupt client state? Did we sign a treaty of mutual support?
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 22, 2022 12:13 PM (yQpMk)
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It is annoying that we are, once again, getting drawn into a war without a true consultation of the American people's wishes. Instead we are getting pro-Uke propaganda directed at us by our own rulers and unaccountable dump trucks full of our money being given to them.
Of course, """our""" representatives (actually the Uniparty's) are all in on spending our money there.
Maybe this is the best way to kneecap the Russians. Maybe that's a good thing. But it would be nice, essential even, to actually have that debate in public.
Of course, """our""" representatives (actually the Uniparty's) are all in on spending our money there.
Maybe this is the best way to kneecap the Russians. Maybe that's a good thing. But it would be nice, essential even, to actually have that debate in public.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at December 22, 2022 12:13 PM (V6f9+)
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Just like Lend-Lease for Russia in WWII. Ingratitude.
There was a story about how at one of the Big 3 meetings, Roosevelt noted to Stalin all of the jeeps, trucks, artillery, etc. that America provided. Stalin replied something along the lines of "American bullets, Russian bodies".
There was a story about how at one of the Big 3 meetings, Roosevelt noted to Stalin all of the jeeps, trucks, artillery, etc. that America provided. Stalin replied something along the lines of "American bullets, Russian bodies".
Posted by: Archimedes at December 22, 2022 12:13 PM (eOEVl)
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You would think Washington would have learned that fighting Europe's wars never works. There's always ANOTHER war to fight over there because they won't settle their differences. Now it looks like we're going to have the same problem here.
Posted by: torabora at December 22, 2022 12:13 PM (a5c5i)
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Reposted because on point.
[NBC News Presidntial Historian] Michael Beschloss@BeschlossDC
For any Members of Congress who refused to clap for Zelenskyy, we need to know from them exactly why.
[NBC News Presidntial Historian] Michael Beschloss@BeschlossDC
For any Members of Congress who refused to clap for Zelenskyy, we need to know from them exactly why.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 22, 2022 12:13 PM (FVME7)
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The image of Zelensky giving that speech and the clapping seals of the Uniparty laughing and cumming all over themselves was quite possibly the most vulgar and repulsive display of aggression against The American People that I have seen in my life.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 22, 2022 12:14 PM (up/3i)
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This is outrageous! Elon Musk needs to buy the HQ for $44 billion and get to the bottom of this sham.
Posted by: Napoleon XIV at December 22, 2022 12:12 PM (AiZBA)
'The Horde Files' exposing the seedy underbelly under the outer, more visible, seedy underbelly will be illuminating.
Posted by: Napoleon XIV at December 22, 2022 12:12 PM (AiZBA)
'The Horde Files' exposing the seedy underbelly under the outer, more visible, seedy underbelly will be illuminating.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at December 22, 2022 12:14 PM (zZu0s)
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Problem is that as long as we keep supplying him with the funds to continue the war, He's going to continue the war. He has no incentive to come to the bargaining table.
the Russians are actually getting what they want as they are causing a global recession and causing energy costs to skyrocket which helps them continue the war as they line their pockets.
the Russians are actually getting what they want as they are causing a global recession and causing energy costs to skyrocket which helps them continue the war as they line their pockets.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at December 22, 2022 12:14 PM (Y+l9t)
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[NBC News Presidntial Historian] Michael Beschloss@BeschlossDC
For any Members of Congress who refused to clap for Zelenskyy, we need to know from them exactly why.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 22, 2022 12:13 PM (FVME7)
Shades of Nazi Germany
For any Members of Congress who refused to clap for Zelenskyy, we need to know from them exactly why.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 22, 2022 12:13 PM (FVME7)
Shades of Nazi Germany
Posted by: It's me donna at December 22, 2022 12:14 PM (bs+z0)
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Z has our corrupt govt by the balls and is just squeezing.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at December 22, 2022 12:14 PM (XvQxw)
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No Ukes are trained on Patriot Missiles... ergo it will be Americans manning those batteries.
First real admission we have troops in Uke....
First real admission we have troops in Uke....
Posted by: Romeo13 at December 22, 2022 12:15 PM (oHd/0)
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It's almost as if Zelensky had some sort of control over Biden and his cronies. Something in the form of blackmail material.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 22, 2022 12:12 PM
Impeach JackStraw!
It's almost as if Zelensky had some sort of control over Biden and his cronies. Something in the form of blackmail material.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 22, 2022 12:12 PM
Impeach JackStraw!
Posted by: Divide by Zero at December 22, 2022 12:15 PM (enJYY)
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Ingots of ways we're, France 1777 breaking ourselves to help a little country and so ending up in a revolution
Posted by: Skip's phone at December 22, 2022 12:15 PM (wjsVP)
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I feel for the average citizen of Ukraine caught in a war zone. I also feel for the average Ukrainian combat solider (Not the NAZI paramilitary ones) who are getting slaughtered.
Fuck the rest of them and our government.
Fuck the rest of them and our government.
Posted by: Archer at December 22, 2022 12:15 PM (gmo/4)
Posted by: DaveA at December 22, 2022 12:15 PM (FhXTo)
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Pigs like Beschloss richly deserve to be roasted alive in a nuclear holocaust. Unfortunately, the innocent will die right along with him.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 22, 2022 12:15 PM (KSNKu)
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Are they clapping hard enough? Because that’s what Stalin wanted.
Posted by: Holy Crap at December 22, 2022 12:15 PM (glGDV)
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When did Ukraine become an ally, and not just a corrupt client state?
2014, when it became *our* corrupt client state.
2014, when it became *our* corrupt client state.
Posted by: t-bird at December 22, 2022 12:15 PM (yZlY6)
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Matt Gaetz and Lauren Boebert STAY SEATED and Skip the Applause as Zelensky Speaks to Congress and Demands US Cash
https://tinyurl.com/yh43w2f2
https://tinyurl.com/yh43w2f2
Posted by: SMH at what's coming at December 22, 2022 12:15 PM (/yIga)
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54 "We" are playing both sides of this war. I have said it from jump. It will surface one day.
Posted by: ... at December 22, 2022 12:12 PM (Anwxb)
_______________
Both sides are playing both sides. I swear both Z and Putin are in this together. The whole thing is a charade cooked up to allow mutual saber-rattling and embezzlement of hundreds of billions of dollars.
Posted by: ... at December 22, 2022 12:12 PM (Anwxb)
_______________
Both sides are playing both sides. I swear both Z and Putin are in this together. The whole thing is a charade cooked up to allow mutual saber-rattling and embezzlement of hundreds of billions of dollars.
Posted by: Elric Blade at December 22, 2022 12:15 PM (iFTx/)
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Zelensky thinks that his own country is important enough to fight for.
You're really giving him the benefit of the doubt. My perception is that Zelensky knows that his country is a convenient way to obtain graft. Fighting is, uh, secondary at best.
But I'm saying this from a position of ignorance, since I have not followed the saga very closely.
You're really giving him the benefit of the doubt. My perception is that Zelensky knows that his country is a convenient way to obtain graft. Fighting is, uh, secondary at best.
But I'm saying this from a position of ignorance, since I have not followed the saga very closely.
Posted by: Emmie at December 22, 2022 12:15 PM (Emce2)
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The image of Zelensky giving that speech and the clapping seals of the Uniparty laughing and cumming all over themselves was quite possibly the most vulgar and repulsive display of aggression against The American People that I have seen in my life.
Posted by: Thomas Bender
Yes
Posted by: Thomas Bender
Yes
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at December 22, 2022 12:15 PM (Y+l9t)
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It's closer to $48 billion, probably.
Ukraine's GDP is about $200 billion. That's 25% of their total output, given to them in cash and in kind by this country in less than a year.
It's $48 billion too much. The millions or billions we spent on color revolutions in Ukraine were too much. The millions or billions we spent on attempting a revolution in Kazakhstan were too much. The billions we spent expanding NATO eastward were too much.
We have long crossed the point of throwing good money after bad.
Ukraine's GDP is about $200 billion. That's 25% of their total output, given to them in cash and in kind by this country in less than a year.
It's $48 billion too much. The millions or billions we spent on color revolutions in Ukraine were too much. The millions or billions we spent on attempting a revolution in Kazakhstan were too much. The billions we spent expanding NATO eastward were too much.
We have long crossed the point of throwing good money after bad.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 22, 2022 12:16 PM (t0OGg)
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You never want to be the first guy to stop clapping.
Posted by: ... at December 22, 2022 12:16 PM (Anwxb)
83
I guarantee you Zelensky and his cronies will have billions in some Cayman Islands offshore account when this is all over.
Posted by: Blago at December 22, 2022 12:10 PM (PwNLq)
The guy owns, what, nine houses outside Ukraine. Pretty sure he already has billions in an offshore account.
Now he's just doing his part for Papa Schwab to get as many undesirables killed as possible.
Posted by: Blago at December 22, 2022 12:10 PM (PwNLq)
The guy owns, what, nine houses outside Ukraine. Pretty sure he already has billions in an offshore account.
Now he's just doing his part for Papa Schwab to get as many undesirables killed as possible.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic, Ashli Babbitt/Rosanne Boyland at December 22, 2022 12:16 PM (1Z8zZ)
Posted by: torabora at December 22, 2022 12:16 PM (a5c5i)
85
The Daily Mail has a late-breaking scandal!
It turns out that the wife of Russia's deputy defence minister had an $84,000 shopping spree in Paris in -er- March.
I guess that Olena Zelenskaya's $40,000 shopping spree in Paris a few days ago really didn't go over well PR-wise, so the Powers That Be are dredging up ten-month-old scandals to distract from that.
Look, A Squirrel!
It turns out that the wife of Russia's deputy defence minister had an $84,000 shopping spree in Paris in -er- March.
I guess that Olena Zelenskaya's $40,000 shopping spree in Paris a few days ago really didn't go over well PR-wise, so the Powers That Be are dredging up ten-month-old scandals to distract from that.
Look, A Squirrel!
Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 22, 2022 12:16 PM (KCOCK)
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You'd think Biden would be thrilled to help Ukraine after all the money they gave him. Biden is a POS, and he always will be.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at December 22, 2022 12:16 PM (d2bW3)
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38 They aren't going to be happy until there are mushroom clouds. Think of the leverage that crisis will give the government!
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Set the Earth to fire and reshape it closer to the heart's desire at December 22, 2022 12:10 PM (R8uWY)
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As long as they get DC first.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Set the Earth to fire and reshape it closer to the heart's desire at December 22, 2022 12:10 PM (R8uWY)
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As long as they get DC first.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at December 22, 2022 12:17 PM (cMXNt)
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>>> Now it's Russian Disinformation if it's "the kind of rumor the Russians would want to spread."
I suppose mentioning the release of the Merchant of Death is right out.
I suppose mentioning the release of the Merchant of Death is right out.
Posted by: fluffy at December 22, 2022 12:17 PM (UqnOO)
89
Remember Hunter went to Ukraine first for no work contract giving the big guy a percentage
Posted by: Skip's phone at December 22, 2022 12:17 PM (wjsVP)
90
For any Members of Congress who refused to clap for Zelenskyy, we need to know from them exactly why.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 22, 2022 12:13 PM (FVME7)
How very Solzhenitsyn.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 22, 2022 12:13 PM (FVME7)
How very Solzhenitsyn.
Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at December 22, 2022 12:17 PM (YJwUM)
91
28 Lol! Thanks for bringing that over!
Posted by: Emmie at December 22, 2022 12:17 PM (Emce2)
92
I would expect Putin to go full Grozny on Keeeev or Odessa before he goes nuclear with anyone.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 22, 2022 12:17 PM (yQpMk)
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It turns out that the wife of Russia's deputy defence minister had an $84,000 shopping spree in Paris in -er- March.
Yeah ? We didn't pay for Hers
It turns out that the wife of Russia's deputy defence minister had an $84,000 shopping spree in Paris in -er- March.
Yeah ? We didn't pay for Hers
Posted by: It's me donna at December 22, 2022 12:17 PM (bs+z0)
94
I'm not mad. Just... disappointed in you.
I'm not mad. Just... disappointed in you.
Posted by: Auspex at December 22, 2022 12:18 PM (j4U/Z)
95
64 The image of Zelensky giving that speech and the clapping seals of the Uniparty laughing and cumming all over themselves was quite possibly the most vulgar and repulsive display of aggression against The American People that I have seen in my life.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 22, 2022 12:14 PM (up/3i)
That tableau was nauseating but a perfect distillation of the United States circa 2022, a corrupt, ignorant shitshow with repulsive actors.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 22, 2022 12:14 PM (up/3i)
That tableau was nauseating but a perfect distillation of the United States circa 2022, a corrupt, ignorant shitshow with repulsive actors.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 22, 2022 12:18 PM (KSNKu)
96
Imma thinking Russia might be doing psy-ops on social media by employing gorgeous, beautiful, feminine women who love men and america and apple pie in an attempt to radicalize us sexually starved american men having to deal with purple haired Karens who add pronouns to their profiles.
I have to admit I find myself Pooty-curious these days
I have to admit I find myself Pooty-curious these days
Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - Longing to Lie in Zooey Deschanel's Bosom for Comfort at December 22, 2022 12:18 PM (VTu1l)
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>>>Zelensky thinks that his own country is important enough to fight for. I wish that Mitch McConnell and National Review equally believed their own country was important enough to fight for.
Apparently not, since Bitch is sending border money to the Middle East and Africa in the omnibus package, but none for the U.S.
Apparently not, since Bitch is sending border money to the Middle East and Africa in the omnibus package, but none for the U.S.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at December 22, 2022 12:18 PM (d2bW3)
98
Just did an image search of Katerina Soria. Yowza!
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus
She got a 5-star rating in frontal crashes from the NHTSA.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus
She got a 5-star rating in frontal crashes from the NHTSA.
Posted by: mikeski at December 22, 2022 12:18 PM (P1f+c)
99
NBC News Presidntial Historian] Michael Beschloss@BeschlossDC
For any Members of Congress who refused to clap for Zelenskyy, we need to know from them exactly why.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 22, 2022 12:13 PM (FVME7)
Maybe NBC can suggest a loyalty salute, maybe, oh I don't know, right arm raised, hand up, palm forward thingy...
For any Members of Congress who refused to clap for Zelenskyy, we need to know from them exactly why.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 22, 2022 12:13 PM (FVME7)
Maybe NBC can suggest a loyalty salute, maybe, oh I don't know, right arm raised, hand up, palm forward thingy...
Posted by: Boswell at December 22, 2022 12:18 PM (+Cgut)
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... It turns out that the wife of Russia's deputy defence minister had an $84,000 shopping spree in Paris in -er- March.
I guess that Olena Zelenskaya's $40,000 shopping spree in Paris a few days ago really didn't go over well PR-wise, so the Powers That Be are dredging up ten-month-old scandals to distract from that. ...
Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 22, 2022 12:16 PM (KCOCK)
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Mrs. Russian Deputy Finance Minister didn't go on her shopping spree with my money. I have no dog in that fight. Russian internal corruption is a Russian internal problem. Ukrainian internal corruption is, sadly, very much my problem because my illegitimate government keeps hurling money at their illegitimate government.
I guess that Olena Zelenskaya's $40,000 shopping spree in Paris a few days ago really didn't go over well PR-wise, so the Powers That Be are dredging up ten-month-old scandals to distract from that. ...
Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 22, 2022 12:16 PM (KCOCK)
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Mrs. Russian Deputy Finance Minister didn't go on her shopping spree with my money. I have no dog in that fight. Russian internal corruption is a Russian internal problem. Ukrainian internal corruption is, sadly, very much my problem because my illegitimate government keeps hurling money at their illegitimate government.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 22, 2022 12:18 PM (t0OGg)
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>>Is anyone else throwing money at him, or is it just the US?
We have sent more money to Ukraine than all member of the EU combined. We've spent more money than Russia's annual military budget.
The amount we are spending on an undeclared war that nobody can justify should be a national scandal but DC is getting rich and that's all that really matters.
We have sent more money to Ukraine than all member of the EU combined. We've spent more money than Russia's annual military budget.
The amount we are spending on an undeclared war that nobody can justify should be a national scandal but DC is getting rich and that's all that really matters.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 22, 2022 12:18 PM (ZLI7S)
102
I'm still pissed that the local CBS station pre empted Jeorpody to show that Z schmuck's speech to his money laundering recipients.
Posted by: Cosda at December 22, 2022 12:18 PM (Mufju)
103
It's almost as if Zelensky had some sort of control over Biden and his cronies. Something in the form of blackmail material.
Posted by: JackStraw
While it has been intimated in many places and probably here at AoS also, FTX and Sam Bankman-Fried was a conduit for money coming BACK from Ukraine and..among other things, to the Democrats for the 2022 mid terms.
Ukraine people (uh, Zelensky) bought bit-coin options at FTX, and these were then filtered back, converted to cash and given to the Democrats (and likely Mitch McConnell, but I digress).
And really, I think this is a pattern that has likely been going on a LONG time; big foreign aid packages to the designated hot thing today, get filtered back to the key politicians who moved it.
Biden, his family and cronies, are corrupt scum. Which is really news to no one.
Posted by: JackStraw
While it has been intimated in many places and probably here at AoS also, FTX and Sam Bankman-Fried was a conduit for money coming BACK from Ukraine and..among other things, to the Democrats for the 2022 mid terms.
Ukraine people (uh, Zelensky) bought bit-coin options at FTX, and these were then filtered back, converted to cash and given to the Democrats (and likely Mitch McConnell, but I digress).
And really, I think this is a pattern that has likely been going on a LONG time; big foreign aid packages to the designated hot thing today, get filtered back to the key politicians who moved it.
Biden, his family and cronies, are corrupt scum. Which is really news to no one.
Posted by: A face in the crowd..... at December 22, 2022 12:19 PM (tjZg/)
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It's not just a matter of having its woefully inadequate and small military, under-funded for years and embarked on a pretty dubious new doctrine and design, that is the point. There are no other "allies" Russia was or was about to or is about to attack. The implication there could be is horseshit.
This is about specific issues of decades' duration and they are between Russia and Ukraine (and between their respective oligarchies). A neutral Ukraine or independent or Russian-affiliated Donetsk and Lugansk mean bupkis to anyone else, period. No vital interests engaged at any point.
The neutral Ukraine goal was probably always unattainable (NATO military aid, training, and integration with Ukraine was already extensive and going on for years), but rolling the dice to get regime change in Kiev (clearly Moscow's initial strategy) had *some* hope of buying some time on that issue.
This is about specific issues of decades' duration and they are between Russia and Ukraine (and between their respective oligarchies). A neutral Ukraine or independent or Russian-affiliated Donetsk and Lugansk mean bupkis to anyone else, period. No vital interests engaged at any point.
The neutral Ukraine goal was probably always unattainable (NATO military aid, training, and integration with Ukraine was already extensive and going on for years), but rolling the dice to get regime change in Kiev (clearly Moscow's initial strategy) had *some* hope of buying some time on that issue.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 22, 2022 12:19 PM (OTzUX)
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I suppose mentioning the release of the Merchant of Death is right out.
Posted by: fluffy at December 22, 2022 12:17 PM (UqnOO)
Getting that WNBA chick back was completely worth getting Victor Bout released so he can go back to Russia, publicly give his support to Putin, and help out with the Ukrainian invasion...I mean, Special Military Operation.
Posted by: fluffy at December 22, 2022 12:17 PM (UqnOO)
Getting that WNBA chick back was completely worth getting Victor Bout released so he can go back to Russia, publicly give his support to Putin, and help out with the Ukrainian invasion...I mean, Special Military Operation.
Posted by: Thrawn at December 22, 2022 12:19 PM (9ewTg)
106
That guy was the first man who plays the piano with his penis to shake Pelosi's hand.
Posted by: torabora
I doubt it.
Posted by: torabora
I doubt it.
Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at December 22, 2022 12:19 PM (YJwUM)
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80 The image of Zelensky giving that speech and the clapping seals of the Uniparty laughing and cumming all over themselves was quite possibly the most vulgar and repulsive display of aggression against The American People that I have seen in my life. Posted by: Thomas Bender
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Twas ever thus for empires and those hoping to make their fortunes out of it. Won't end well but politicians never think beyond the next election.
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Twas ever thus for empires and those hoping to make their fortunes out of it. Won't end well but politicians never think beyond the next election.
Posted by: whig at December 22, 2022 12:19 PM (bDjBG)
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Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 22, 2022 12:16 PM (t0OGg)
2023 Russia Defense spending is supposed to be $83 Billion. That is to defend the whole country, from all the NATO threats.
We've already supposedly spent more than that in Uke... although most went to the US Military industrial complex.
2023 Russia Defense spending is supposed to be $83 Billion. That is to defend the whole country, from all the NATO threats.
We've already supposedly spent more than that in Uke... although most went to the US Military industrial complex.
Posted by: Romeo13 at December 22, 2022 12:19 PM (oHd/0)
109
Monster by Steppenwolf.
Posted by: Eromero at December 22, 2022 12:19 PM (z3WCn)
110
59 When did Ukraine become an ally, and not just a corrupt client state? Did we sign a treaty of mutual support?
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 22, 2022 12:13 PM (yQpMk)
When they gave up their nukes, we sorta said we'd garuntee their territorial integrity. Which we failed to do when Russia took Crimea. It wasn't a treaty, though.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 22, 2022 12:13 PM (yQpMk)
When they gave up their nukes, we sorta said we'd garuntee their territorial integrity. Which we failed to do when Russia took Crimea. It wasn't a treaty, though.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at December 22, 2022 12:19 PM (V6f9+)
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Apparently not, since Bitch is sending border money to the Middle East and Africa in the omnibus package, but none for the U.S.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at December 22, 2022 12:18 PM (d2bW3)
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That's not true. There's plenty of money for the border - just not to enforce it or prevent illegal crossings. The money is all there for "processing" of migrant-slaves.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at December 22, 2022 12:18 PM (d2bW3)
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That's not true. There's plenty of money for the border - just not to enforce it or prevent illegal crossings. The money is all there for "processing" of migrant-slaves.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 22, 2022 12:20 PM (t0OGg)
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re: sidebar
Everything about that is so through the clown mirror. I really thought these guys were fellow travelers back in the day and we just parted ways as they succumbed to social/cultural pressure. Now I am beginning to think I was the rube all along.
Fuck.
Everything about that is so through the clown mirror. I really thought these guys were fellow travelers back in the day and we just parted ways as they succumbed to social/cultural pressure. Now I am beginning to think I was the rube all along.
Fuck.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at December 22, 2022 12:20 PM (zZu0s)
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Z has our corrupt govt by the balls and is just squeezing.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at December 22, 2022 12:14 PM
Ywp, biden and the democrats and some gop(e) folks know that zelensky has the goods on all of the graft that was cycled through Ukraine and back to the democrats through FTX and other means. They will give him everything he wants.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at December 22, 2022 12:14 PM
Ywp, biden and the democrats and some gop(e) folks know that zelensky has the goods on all of the graft that was cycled through Ukraine and back to the democrats through FTX and other means. They will give him everything he wants.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at December 22, 2022 12:20 PM (uNylN)
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With just a few billion more, I could afford to stand before you with a better quality sweatshirt.
Maybe even a hoodie, like your other illustrious politicians.
For a few more billion, you can sponsor several young Ukrainian ladies whose poverty is such that they barely have enough clothes to cover themselves modestly. That may or may not change depending on your level of support.
For just a few billion more, you could qualify for a "rebate" program that is second to none, and the less said the better.
For a few billion more, we could hire mercenaries that will win the war for us. Some of them may be Russian.
But for a few billion more, we can make the war drag out as long as you want.
Sank you.
Maybe even a hoodie, like your other illustrious politicians.
For a few more billion, you can sponsor several young Ukrainian ladies whose poverty is such that they barely have enough clothes to cover themselves modestly. That may or may not change depending on your level of support.
For just a few billion more, you could qualify for a "rebate" program that is second to none, and the less said the better.
For a few billion more, we could hire mercenaries that will win the war for us. Some of them may be Russian.
But for a few billion more, we can make the war drag out as long as you want.
Sank you.
Posted by: Unsaid at December 22, 2022 12:20 PM (FCbAQ)
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The solution is obvious. Have Elon Musk buy Ukraine.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 22, 2022 12:20 PM (FVME7)
116
Has Zelensky considered learning to code?
Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at December 22, 2022 12:20 PM (CecP5)
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Way too many “conservatives” supporting this money laundering globo homo operation.
With $4.5 billion in hand, the Big Guy can afford to pay 450 members of Congress $5 million each to go along with this and still have $2.25 billion for himself.
With $4.5 billion in hand, the Big Guy can afford to pay 450 members of Congress $5 million each to go along with this and still have $2.25 billion for himself.
Posted by: t-bird at December 22, 2022 12:20 PM (dNNCD)
118
I guess that Olena Zelenskaya's $40,000 shopping spree in Paris a few days ago really didn't go over well PR-wise
She should have bought her husband a suit at Men's Warehouse for cripes sake.
She should have bought her husband a suit at Men's Warehouse for cripes sake.
Posted by: Archer at December 22, 2022 12:20 PM (gmo/4)
119
People still watch Jeopardy?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 22, 2022 12:20 PM (gaUxn)
120
Had the US just largely stayed out of it, this thing would be over, less Ukranians would be dead, and Russia would have a section of Ukraine like they took of Crimea and no one would give a shit.
But now we have dragged this thing on to where Ukraine will probably be rubble and the US will have to rebuild it to the tune of trillions. But we dont have the money for a border fence.
I absolutely think Putin is capable of launching a nuke here, he knows he's dead anyway.
But now we have dragged this thing on to where Ukraine will probably be rubble and the US will have to rebuild it to the tune of trillions. But we dont have the money for a border fence.
I absolutely think Putin is capable of launching a nuke here, he knows he's dead anyway.
Posted by: Blago at December 22, 2022 12:20 PM (EaHnS)
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"When they gave up their nukes, we sorta said we'd garuntee their territorial integrity. Which we failed to do when Russia took Crimea. It wasn't a treaty, though."
Correct, it was just Obama mouthing off.
Correct, it was just Obama mouthing off.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at December 22, 2022 12:20 PM (jTmQV)
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Since day 1 I couldn't care less about Ukraine but wish them well
That's my attitude. Not my circus, not my monkeys.
That's my attitude. Not my circus, not my monkeys.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic, Ashli Babbitt/Rosanne Boyland at December 22, 2022 12:21 PM (1Z8zZ)
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43 Zelensky turning Prince Harry into a cuck would be so 2023. Megan and Zelensky wife as Real Housewives of Montecito. Kiev a smoldering hole in the ground. We are so effed
Posted by: Smell the Glove at December 22, 2022 12:21 PM (11zNb)
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98 Just did an image search of Katerina Soria. Yowza!
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus
She got a 5-star rating in frontal crashes from the NHTSA.
Posted by: mikeski at December 22, 2022 12:18 PM (P1f+c)
You could be the 'Dummy' in those tests and die a happy and fulfilled man.
With garrett whispering in your ear the whole time 'Remember, thou art mortal...'
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus
She got a 5-star rating in frontal crashes from the NHTSA.
Posted by: mikeski at December 22, 2022 12:18 PM (P1f+c)
You could be the 'Dummy' in those tests and die a happy and fulfilled man.
With garrett whispering in your ear the whole time 'Remember, thou art mortal...'
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at December 22, 2022 12:21 PM (zZu0s)
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In one sense it is slightly hilarious the Junta is fighting against it's Iranian ally now.
What a fucking clown car elite.
What a fucking clown car elite.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 22, 2022 12:21 PM (It9OC)
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Remember when being the last man to die in a war in Vietnam was a thing?
Now who's going to be the first in Ukraine?
Now who's going to be the first in Ukraine?
Posted by: torabora at December 22, 2022 12:21 PM (a5c5i)
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>>>That's not true. There's plenty of money for the border - just not to enforce it or prevent illegal crossings. The money is all there for "processing" of migrant-slaves.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)
Oh. Now I feel much better.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)
Oh. Now I feel much better.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at December 22, 2022 12:21 PM (d2bW3)
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BTW, the auto delete here is way to aggressive. My comments constantly get deleted automatically a few minutes after I write something.
Posted by: Blago at December 22, 2022 12:22 PM (EaHnS)
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I’m sorry, this Zelensky fellow is not wearing well with me. The more I hear him, the more I dislike. What I dislike even more are pols like Lindsay Graham….. not enough bad words to describe the senator from SC…
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 22, 2022 12:22 PM (xT8gx)
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For any Members of Congress who refused to clap forZelenskyy Trump, we need to know from them exactly why.
Take that one out for a spin, Mikey.
For any Members of Congress who refused to clap for
Take that one out for a spin, Mikey.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 22, 2022 12:22 PM (csytg)
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It's really too bad that the American public is more or less oblivious to the corruption going on with this shit. And, that it's their tax dollars that are going to Ukraine and by extension into the politicians pockets.
I'd think it might give one pause on paying their taxes in April.
I'd think it might give one pause on paying their taxes in April.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 22, 2022 12:22 PM (Q4IgG)
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I would think that a meeting with POTUS (such as he is) and an address before Congress would warrant a suit with perhaps a tie? He doesn't need to wear his wartime costume here. We get it. Maybe the next time that Olena is on a spree in Paris, she can pick out an appropriate suit for you as I am sure that you will be back.
Posted by: Cheri at December 22, 2022 12:22 PM (oiNtH)
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DaveA, I think I know what you were saying at #73, thought of saying it myself, but that (and other) topics are long-long hopeless causes around here.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 22, 2022 12:22 PM (OTzUX)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 22, 2022 12:22 PM (csytg)
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Kiev a smoldering hole in the ground. We are so effed
Posted by: Smell the Glove at December 22, 2022 12:21 PM (11zNb)
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Or Nashville. Or Sacramento. The Rooskies have plenty of available targets.
Posted by: Smell the Glove at December 22, 2022 12:21 PM (11zNb)
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Or Nashville. Or Sacramento. The Rooskies have plenty of available targets.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 22, 2022 12:23 PM (It9OC)
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>>>We have sent more money to Ukraine than all member of the EU combined. We've spent more money than Russia's annual military budget.
Posted by: JackStraw
I'm old enough to remember when Trump told NATO to start paying their bills because the U.S. isn't carrying them anymore. Good times.
Posted by: JackStraw
I'm old enough to remember when Trump told NATO to start paying their bills because the U.S. isn't carrying them anymore. Good times.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at December 22, 2022 12:23 PM (d2bW3)
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LOL. The highly IMMOBILE, 90-crewed "PATRIOT" missile system is going to prove EXCELLENT target practice for Russia's Hypersonic -- as in MACH 7 -- missiles. I give the Patriot less than a day in the field before the field is a smouldering heap of metal and body parts. For real. Americans have no idea that Russia is superior in every are of missile defense. But they are about to find out. Which is the plan really -- the neocon nuts want US troops fighting Russian on Russia's HOME TURF.
Posted by: DJS at December 22, 2022 12:23 PM (YX6cD)
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@j___eraghty
Second, whether or not we ever determine if this is a rumor the Russians are trying to spread, we should keep in mind that this is exactly the kind of rumor the Russians would want to spread.
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Oy. So now we have our betters channeling the Russians and assessing all thing through the perspective of Russians and if Russians want it - according to their clairvoyance - then it's bad and should be censored.
Hell of a take, there, Jim. And why should I trust you on this? In the latest NR spam you sent to my Inbox, you lamented that you didn't get your shit together enough to send out your Christmas cards. If you can't even do that, why should I trust your judgement on Russia?
Second, whether or not we ever determine if this is a rumor the Russians are trying to spread, we should keep in mind that this is exactly the kind of rumor the Russians would want to spread.
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Oy. So now we have our betters channeling the Russians and assessing all thing through the perspective of Russians and if Russians want it - according to their clairvoyance - then it's bad and should be censored.
Hell of a take, there, Jim. And why should I trust you on this? In the latest NR spam you sent to my Inbox, you lamented that you didn't get your shit together enough to send out your Christmas cards. If you can't even do that, why should I trust your judgement on Russia?
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 22, 2022 12:23 PM (t0OGg)
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126 Remember when being the last man to die in a war in Vietnam was a thing?
Now who's going to be the first in Ukraine?
Posted by: torabora at December 22, 2022 12:21 PM (a5c5i)
Wouldn't this have already happened? Weren't there a lot of fellahs volunteering to be French Foreign Legion in Ukraine when this whole boondoggle started?
Now who's going to be the first in Ukraine?
Posted by: torabora at December 22, 2022 12:21 PM (a5c5i)
Wouldn't this have already happened? Weren't there a lot of fellahs volunteering to be French Foreign Legion in Ukraine when this whole boondoggle started?
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at December 22, 2022 12:23 PM (zZu0s)
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We probably don't give advanced weapons away because we don't want them falling into Russian (or terrorist) hands. We'd also prefer to just give financial aid, because we can embezzle and redirect that to our personal and political needs more freely.
Posted by: Military Moron at December 22, 2022 12:23 PM (JCZqz)
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You'll be glad to know that besides the fact that Russia Is About To Run Out Of Missiles (which has been reported regularly for the last ten months), Russia Is Also About To Run Out Of Artillery Ammunition.
Because Russia doesn't have the industrial base to produce artillery ammunition, or something.
Secretary of Commerce Gina Raimondo claimed back in May that the Russians were so short of computer chips to put into their weapons that they were cannibalizing washing machines for the computer chips.
Curiously, I haven't read about any washing machine shortages in Russia.
I'm sure that's just an oversight.
Because Russia doesn't have the industrial base to produce artillery ammunition, or something.
Secretary of Commerce Gina Raimondo claimed back in May that the Russians were so short of computer chips to put into their weapons that they were cannibalizing washing machines for the computer chips.
Curiously, I haven't read about any washing machine shortages in Russia.
I'm sure that's just an oversight.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 22, 2022 12:24 PM (KCOCK)
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I absolutely think Putin is capable of launching a nuke here, he knows he's dead anyway.
Posted by: Blago at December 22, 2022 12:20 PM (EaHnS)
People are in denial about that. Given the rampant madness, the cognitive dissonance was predictable. In all seriousness, if I lived in NYC or the DC Metro area I would have taken my family and left several months ago. For the first time I am convinced this is going to happen.
Posted by: Blago at December 22, 2022 12:20 PM (EaHnS)
People are in denial about that. Given the rampant madness, the cognitive dissonance was predictable. In all seriousness, if I lived in NYC or the DC Metro area I would have taken my family and left several months ago. For the first time I am convinced this is going to happen.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 22, 2022 12:24 PM (KSNKu)
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71 France 1777 breaking ourselves to help a little country and so ending up in a revolution
Posted by: Skip's phone
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Bit garbled but still in essence the same situation. We are borrowing money that can never be repaid in order to dabble with a proxy war. What is not noted is that France helping us set off another world war and France/Spain got their butts kicked in Europe and elsewhere over us as a casus belli.
Posted by: Skip's phone
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Bit garbled but still in essence the same situation. We are borrowing money that can never be repaid in order to dabble with a proxy war. What is not noted is that France helping us set off another world war and France/Spain got their butts kicked in Europe and elsewhere over us as a casus belli.
Posted by: whig at December 22, 2022 12:24 PM (bDjBG)
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I suggest everyone call all these traitors republicans that are voting for the 1.7 trillion dollar omnibus bs bill.
They must at least hear from us, and we must rent who they are
Endless bit give them bell please
Collins , Romney, Capito, Wicker, Portman, Hyde-Smith, Eubio, McConnell , Portman, Cornyn, Moran, Toung, Grassley, Tuberville, Boozman, Collins, Blunt, Graham, Rounds
Endless, but give them hell
They must at least hear from us, and we must rent who they are
Endless bit give them bell please
Collins , Romney, Capito, Wicker, Portman, Hyde-Smith, Eubio, McConnell , Portman, Cornyn, Moran, Toung, Grassley, Tuberville, Boozman, Collins, Blunt, Graham, Rounds
Endless, but give them hell
Posted by: Gonzotx at December 22, 2022 12:24 PM (t4poC)
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More out of control spending, please!! We've long ago passed the point of fixing things. Full throttle to bankruptcy now!!!
Posted by: Doof at December 22, 2022 12:24 PM (yUjc0)
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Obama funded the color revolution. But Democrats are incensed that Russia spent $100 grand on Facebook ads.
This will get out of control. It will get out of control and we will all be lucky to live through it.
This will get out of control. It will get out of control and we will all be lucky to live through it.
Posted by: torabora at December 22, 2022 12:24 PM (a5c5i)
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>>While it has been intimated in many places and probably here at AoS also, FTX and Sam Bankman-Fried was a conduit for money coming BACK from Ukraine and..among other things, to the Democrats for the 2022 mid terms.
It's been more than intimated here. Same laundromat, different machines.
But the corruption in Ukraine goes way deeper than that. I'm no fan of Putin but I understand completely why he invaded and I don't blame him one bit. It was our own idiotic, corrupt foreign policy that started this war. No surprise that Ukraine was at the heart of both the Russia collusion scam and the Ukraine impeachment bullshit.
It's been more than intimated here. Same laundromat, different machines.
But the corruption in Ukraine goes way deeper than that. I'm no fan of Putin but I understand completely why he invaded and I don't blame him one bit. It was our own idiotic, corrupt foreign policy that started this war. No surprise that Ukraine was at the heart of both the Russia collusion scam and the Ukraine impeachment bullshit.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 22, 2022 12:24 PM (ZLI7S)
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I've always contemplated Heaven to be of such an utterly incomprehensible nature that the idea of asking God about some of what happened here would seem well beyond pointless.
But now . . "God, exactly how much money laundering was going on between Ukraine and USA politicians?"
But now . . "God, exactly how much money laundering was going on between Ukraine and USA politicians?"
Posted by: 2009Refugee at December 22, 2022 12:25 PM (bhf6z)
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59 When did Ukraine become an ally, and not just a corrupt client state? Did we sign a treaty of mutual support?
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 22, 2022 12:13 PM (yQpMk)
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Well, yes, we did. It's called the "Biden Crime Family Bank Account Wire Instruction Agreement"
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 22, 2022 12:13 PM (yQpMk)
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Well, yes, we did. It's called the "Biden Crime Family Bank Account Wire Instruction Agreement"
Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 22, 2022 12:25 PM (It9OC)
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Hell of a take, there, Jim. And why should I trust you on this? In the latest NR spam you sent to my Inbox, you lamented that you didn't get your shit together enough to send out your Christmas cards. If you can't even do that, why should I trust your judgement on Russia?
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)
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Heh.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)
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Heh.
Posted by: whig at December 22, 2022 12:25 PM (bDjBG)
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The lawyers in this AZ are not the best. That I will tell you. They are currently having much discomfort trying to gotcha! this witness. Not working.
Posted by: micky at December 22, 2022 12:26 PM (3byMq)
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Way too many “conservatives” supporting this money laundering globo homo operation.
Posted by: x at December 22, 2022 12:12 PM (rWUSz)
Lotta people stuck in a cold war mentality. Lotta people still unwilling to fully embrace the fact that we've been lied to, about just about everything, for pretty much our entire lives.
It's easier to fool a person than to convince them they've been fooled.
Posted by: x at December 22, 2022 12:12 PM (rWUSz)
Lotta people stuck in a cold war mentality. Lotta people still unwilling to fully embrace the fact that we've been lied to, about just about everything, for pretty much our entire lives.
It's easier to fool a person than to convince them they've been fooled.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic, Ashli Babbitt/Rosanne Boyland at December 22, 2022 12:26 PM (1Z8zZ)
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Let's be honest here for a moment - the dems being incompetent and squishy (and focused on destroying North Africa) under Obama followed by Biden's handlers wanting a European war - with neither making a good faith effort to follow through on the practical consequences of the deal in which Ukraine gave up their nukes - is a large part of why this happened the way it did. Ukraine has earned a right to complain.
They know we hung them out to dry, but can't do touch about it since they need what help we're willing to give, knowing that how/what/when we give is calculated to benefit the western left.
They know we hung them out to dry, but can't do touch about it since they need what help we're willing to give, knowing that how/what/when we give is calculated to benefit the western left.
Posted by: somedood at December 22, 2022 12:26 PM (EgLGT)
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It's really too bad that the American public is more or less oblivious to the corruption going on with this shit.
Why are they so ignorant, one wonders?
Why are they so ignorant, one wonders?
Posted by: The MFM at December 22, 2022 12:26 PM (hPvGe)
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>>> 126 Remember when being the last man to die in a war in Vietnam was a thing?
The book Last Men Out is an amazing tale of the exodus of Marines who were the last ones to flee Vietnam. The final two killed were Charles McMahon and Darwin Judge.
The book Last Men Out is an amazing tale of the exodus of Marines who were the last ones to flee Vietnam. The final two killed were Charles McMahon and Darwin Judge.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at December 22, 2022 12:27 PM (d2bW3)
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Since day 1 I couldn't care less about Ukraine
That's my attitude. Not my circus, not my monkeys.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic, Ashli Babbitt/Rosanne Boyland at December 22, 2022 12:21 PM (1Z8zZ)
Right on!
That's my attitude. Not my circus, not my monkeys.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic, Ashli Babbitt/Rosanne Boyland at December 22, 2022 12:21 PM (1Z8zZ)
Right on!
Posted by: Charles Lindbergh at December 22, 2022 12:27 PM (xPl2J)
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The idea that Russia, while bogged down in Ukraine, would strike other countries is manifestly ridiculous.
For the same reason, the (somewhat desperate-sounding) claims that by backing Ukraine we are "risking World War Three!!!" are also idiotic.
For the same reason, the (somewhat desperate-sounding) claims that by backing Ukraine we are "risking World War Three!!!" are also idiotic.
Posted by: RichieC at December 22, 2022 12:27 PM (DxBF0)
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Why are they so ignorant, one wonders?
Posted by: The MFM at December 22, 2022 12:26 PM (hPvGe)
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That's only a part of it. It's a big, meaningful part but only a part. Another part is that people don't *want* to know about it. Nobody wants to look in the mirror and tell himself that he's a horrible asshole.
Posted by: The MFM at December 22, 2022 12:26 PM (hPvGe)
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That's only a part of it. It's a big, meaningful part but only a part. Another part is that people don't *want* to know about it. Nobody wants to look in the mirror and tell himself that he's a horrible asshole.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 22, 2022 12:27 PM (t0OGg)
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I've got two Senators. One of them is in the grips of senility and the other is some fucking Democrat I don't even know the name of and it doesn't matter because jungle primary means the animals in the forest are in charge and I'm prey.
Posted by: torabora at December 22, 2022 12:27 PM (a5c5i)
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Great outfit, Zelensky!
Posted by: "Senator" Fetterneck at December 22, 2022 12:27 PM (h5TKJ)
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Our own military may be woefully underfunded and lack readiness, but at least ours will be the most FAB-U-LOUSSSS!!!
Posted by: fly gal at December 22, 2022 12:27 PM (6CtMt)
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People are in denial about that. Given the rampant madness, the cognitive dissonance was predictable. In all seriousness, if I lived in NYC or the DC Metro area I would have taken my family and left several months ago. For the first time I am convinced this is going to happen.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 22, 2022 12:24 PM (KSNKu)
Putin has so many better options than a nuclear strike, especially since we blew up his pipeline. Our electric infrastructure is terribly fragile and wide open to sabotage. A few large commercial drones with explosives could take out most of our refinery assets in hours.
Nukes are not really necessary except as a deterrent.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 22, 2022 12:24 PM (KSNKu)
Putin has so many better options than a nuclear strike, especially since we blew up his pipeline. Our electric infrastructure is terribly fragile and wide open to sabotage. A few large commercial drones with explosives could take out most of our refinery assets in hours.
Nukes are not really necessary except as a deterrent.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 22, 2022 12:28 PM (yQpMk)
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We loved being abused and humiliated. Give him more money.
Posted by: The spineless Republican Party at December 22, 2022 12:28 PM (boFEI)
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151 The lawyers in this AZ are not the best. That I will tell you. They are currently having much discomfort trying to gotcha! this witness. Not working.
Posted by: micky
Real courts are not like Perry Mason. Lawyers ask questions from hostile witnesses and don't expect an answer--what they do expect is that the questions are remembered.
Posted by: micky
Real courts are not like Perry Mason. Lawyers ask questions from hostile witnesses and don't expect an answer--what they do expect is that the questions are remembered.
Posted by: whig at December 22, 2022 12:28 PM (bDjBG)
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The CIA has repeatedly been an historic disaster, from funding the creation of the Muslim Brotherhood, to screwing up Iran, to messing up Ukraine (repeatedly). About the only good thing I can see is the Pinochet takeover in Chile (though even that appears to be falling apart now).
Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 22, 2022 12:28 PM (It9OC)
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Also worth noting, we have sent them gigantic quantities of missiles and other ammo and we are not building nearly as many Javelins and Next Gen Stingers to replace them. Years of production, gone to Uke.
But...considering who's taken control of our military, perhaps that's for the best.
But...considering who's taken control of our military, perhaps that's for the best.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at December 22, 2022 12:28 PM (V6f9+)
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If so, just like the Battle of Saratoga
Ah yes the Battle of Saratoga where the occupying American troops used French artillery to chase out the Brits and then massacred the locals.
Ah yes the Battle of Saratoga where the occupying American troops used French artillery to chase out the Brits and then massacred the locals.
Posted by: 18-1 at December 22, 2022 12:28 PM (lc5cP)
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So Congress fiddles while America burns.
Stock market tanking
Housing market tanking
Open borders
Inflation out of control
But lets send billions to Ukraine and hold a special session to honor the corrupt beaurocrat of a foreign country which has nothing to do with our security but everything to do with graft and neocon war mongering.
Stock market tanking
Housing market tanking
Open borders
Inflation out of control
But lets send billions to Ukraine and hold a special session to honor the corrupt beaurocrat of a foreign country which has nothing to do with our security but everything to do with graft and neocon war mongering.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at December 22, 2022 12:28 PM (Y+l9t)
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Zelensky thinks that his own country is important enough to fight for. I wish that Mitch McConnell and National Review equally believed their own country was important enough to fight for.
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"Define, 'our country'. You may be surprised at how we define it."
-Mitch McConnell and National Review
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"Define, 'our country'. You may be surprised at how we define it."
-Mitch McConnell and National Review
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at December 22, 2022 12:29 PM (veXAq)
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Up until 1991 Ukraine was part of Russia. Ukraine was Russia before Russia was Russia, hence the term "Kievan Rus", back when Moskovy was a backwater. We owe nothing to Ukraine as a country, but to the politicians its utility as a laundromat is more important than its nationhood. Just like our utility as sheep to be herded and shorn is more important than our nationhood.
Ukraine can go to hell with Afghanistan.
Ukraine can go to hell with Afghanistan.
Posted by: Minuteman at December 22, 2022 12:29 PM (LaNzR)
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Hey Z-man.
The Iranians and the Iraqis exchanged over four times the number of missiles that the Germans shot at London and all those countries are still here. Suck it up buttercup.
The Iranians and the Iraqis exchanged over four times the number of missiles that the Germans shot at London and all those countries are still here. Suck it up buttercup.
Posted by: Diogenes at December 22, 2022 12:29 PM (anj39)
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That Katerina Soria dame sure has a lot of assets:
https://is.gd/XpvGlC
https://is.gd/XpvGlC
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 22, 2022 12:29 PM (t0OGg)
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That's not true. There's plenty of money for the border - just not to enforce it or prevent illegal crossings. The money is all there for "processing" of migrant-slaves.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 22, 2022 12:20 PM (t0OGg)
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"Welcome to the U.S.A., citizen! Here is your: National ID Card Driver's License; Vouchers for free travel, food, shelter, healthcare, education, phone, & more for up to two years; and your National pre-Registered Democrat Voter ID.
And a little advice? Stay away from the big cities and settle in the smaller, rural areas. For the children ..."
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 22, 2022 12:20 PM (t0OGg)
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"Welcome to the U.S.A., citizen! Here is your: National ID Card Driver's License; Vouchers for free travel, food, shelter, healthcare, education, phone, & more for up to two years; and your National pre-Registered Democrat Voter ID.
And a little advice? Stay away from the big cities and settle in the smaller, rural areas. For the children ..."
Posted by: ShainS -- Ctrl+Galt+Delete to remove the The Great Reset malware virus at December 22, 2022 12:29 PM (S3ur0)
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146 Obama funded the color revolution. But Democrats are incensed that Russia spent $100 grand on Facebook ads.
This will get out of control. It will get out of control and we will all be lucky to live through it.
Posted by: torabora at December 22, 2022 12:24 PM (a5c5i)
And we KNOW CIA paid Twitter 3 million for 'legal fees' to help against 'misinformation"... how much did Facebook get? Bet its in the millions.
This will get out of control. It will get out of control and we will all be lucky to live through it.
Posted by: torabora at December 22, 2022 12:24 PM (a5c5i)
And we KNOW CIA paid Twitter 3 million for 'legal fees' to help against 'misinformation"... how much did Facebook get? Bet its in the millions.
Posted by: Romeo13 at December 22, 2022 12:29 PM (oHd/0)
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I absolutely think Putin is capable of launching a nuke here, he knows he's dead anyway.
Although Putin likes to rattle sabers, I think that he has decided not to use nukes.
Of course, if we are successful in overthrowing Putin, his successor may not be so be scrupulous...
Although Putin likes to rattle sabers, I think that he has decided not to use nukes.
Of course, if we are successful in overthrowing Putin, his successor may not be so be scrupulous...
Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 22, 2022 12:29 PM (KCOCK)
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Here's an interesting question.
We all know the intel community, not just the FBI but all of it, was deeply involved in covering up the Biden family corruption in Ukraine to help install Biden in the White House. That's not in dispute anymore.
But the question is why? Why is the intel community so invested in covering up for an obviously compromised president and involving the US in a war of choice that has no benefit to the average American?
We all know the intel community, not just the FBI but all of it, was deeply involved in covering up the Biden family corruption in Ukraine to help install Biden in the White House. That's not in dispute anymore.
But the question is why? Why is the intel community so invested in covering up for an obviously compromised president and involving the US in a war of choice that has no benefit to the average American?
Posted by: JackStraw at December 22, 2022 12:29 PM (ZLI7S)
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More out of control spending, please!! We've long ago passed the point of fixing things. Full throttle to bankruptcy now!!!
Posted by: Doof at December 22, 2022 12:24 PM
I think the reason the politicians don't give a fvck about spending is they know the total value of checking and savings accounts, stocks, bonds, retirement accounts, etc of hard working Americans and know they can steal it in a heartbeat.
I have quite a story about the I R S and my dealings with them. They can take your money (and return it) in mere seconds.
More out of control spending, please!! We've long ago passed the point of fixing things. Full throttle to bankruptcy now!!!
Posted by: Doof at December 22, 2022 12:24 PM
I think the reason the politicians don't give a fvck about spending is they know the total value of checking and savings accounts, stocks, bonds, retirement accounts, etc of hard working Americans and know they can steal it in a heartbeat.
I have quite a story about the I R S and my dealings with them. They can take your money (and return it) in mere seconds.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at December 22, 2022 12:29 PM (enJYY)
Posted by: Comrade flounder, Disinformation Demon at December 22, 2022 12:29 PM (hgD8w)
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He's basically come here to beg for money, and he does so by shitting on the very people he's begging money from. Then these people give him a standing ovation! Shame is part of the kink. Guy's got some balls, I'll give him that.
Posted by: Elric Blade
Yeah, except for the part where it's not their money, it could end up pushing us into a war, and wrecking the economy for generations. YEah, totes cool.
Posted by: Elric Blade
Yeah, except for the part where it's not their money, it could end up pushing us into a war, and wrecking the economy for generations. YEah, totes cool.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 22, 2022 12:30 PM (IyrhE)
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This sweatshirt bs, and I think he’s trans, he sure likes to dance in spiked high heels
What a f-king joke on the US taxpayer
What a f-king joke on the US taxpayer
Posted by: Gonzotx at December 22, 2022 12:30 PM (t4poC)
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Ukraine has an incalculable advantage over Russia in that they have a reason to fight-they believe in their country. They're liberating, not occupying any of the towns Ivan captured.
Posted by: irongrampa at December 22, 2022 12:30 PM (KATBx)
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What I don't understand:
The United States is unequivocal and vocal in it's support for Ukraine and disdain for Moscow, and more specifically Putin.
So why doesn't Putin take a hard line, declare War on the United States for their proxy war in Ukraine, and threaten nuclear armageddon and really freak everyone on the planet out?
The United States is unequivocal and vocal in it's support for Ukraine and disdain for Moscow, and more specifically Putin.
So why doesn't Putin take a hard line, declare War on the United States for their proxy war in Ukraine, and threaten nuclear armageddon and really freak everyone on the planet out?
Posted by: Darth Chipmunk at December 22, 2022 12:30 PM (AD14M)
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 22, 2022 12:30 PM (AGB/o)
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If you had told me in 2006 that within 20 years the democrats would be cheering nuclear dick wagging and brinksmanship and doubting people who wanted a cessation of fighting I would have analyzed whether you needed committed.
Here we are.
Here we are.
Posted by: sven at December 22, 2022 12:30 PM (Lzpvj)
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>>>But lets send billions to Ukraine and hold a special session to honor the corrupt beaurocrat of a foreign country which has nothing to do with our security but everything to do with graft and neocon war mongering.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice)
The sooner you realize our politicians hate us and America, the easier it is to stop voting for them.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice)
The sooner you realize our politicians hate us and America, the easier it is to stop voting for them.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at December 22, 2022 12:30 PM (d2bW3)
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Any guesses on DU's reaction to President Z?
Man, I have tears in my eyes watching Zelenskyy and Pelosi, Harris, members of Congress, etc. How cool is this!
Good, I thought I was being overly emotional. I am a passionate and emotional person, especially when politics are concerned. That can be a good and a bad thing sometimes.
This is what authentic heroism looks like. Look at this man, Rethugs and search your souls…. If you can find them.
I wonder how much bipartisan support Ukraine will get from Putin's republican supporters in congress. Don't forget that republicans celebrated July 4th in Moscow with Putin. I was about to write that there are lots of republican traitors to America, but decided not to.
Man, I have tears in my eyes watching Zelenskyy and Pelosi, Harris, members of Congress, etc. How cool is this!
Good, I thought I was being overly emotional. I am a passionate and emotional person, especially when politics are concerned. That can be a good and a bad thing sometimes.
This is what authentic heroism looks like. Look at this man, Rethugs and search your souls…. If you can find them.
I wonder how much bipartisan support Ukraine will get from Putin's republican supporters in congress. Don't forget that republicans celebrated July 4th in Moscow with Putin. I was about to write that there are lots of republican traitors to America, but decided not to.
Posted by: Intrepid Democratic Underground AoS Liaison at December 22, 2022 12:31 PM (JCZqz)
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166 Also worth noting, we have sent them gigantic quantities of missiles and other ammo and we are not building nearly as many Javelins and Next Gen Stingers to replace them. Years of production, gone to Uke.
But...considering who's taken control of our military, perhaps that's for the best.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at December 22, 2022 12:28 PM (V6f9+)
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Their running out of ammo and the traditional new recruits don't want to join.
This is, "raid the treasury" territory. There is no longer any long term thinking involved with our national government.
But...considering who's taken control of our military, perhaps that's for the best.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at December 22, 2022 12:28 PM (V6f9+)
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Their running out of ammo and the traditional new recruits don't want to join.
This is, "raid the treasury" territory. There is no longer any long term thinking involved with our national government.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at December 22, 2022 12:31 PM (veXAq)
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Posted by: RichieC at December 22, 2022 12:27 PM (DxBF0)
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Quick question: Is your Senate staff office labeled "Foolish Twit"?
Your confidence in out ability to attack Russia militarily, as we are, without a response is the most idiotic gamble I've ever seen.
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Quick question: Is your Senate staff office labeled "Foolish Twit"?
Your confidence in out ability to attack Russia militarily, as we are, without a response is the most idiotic gamble I've ever seen.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 22, 2022 12:31 PM (It9OC)
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11 Posted by: Comrade flounder, Disinformation Demon at December 22, 2022 12:07 PM (hgD8w)
I warned of Jake the Snake Tapper here.
I am sad to say that Jake is not the only reptile in the blogosphere.
I warned of Jake the Snake Tapper here.
I am sad to say that Jake is not the only reptile in the blogosphere.
Posted by: sven at December 22, 2022 12:31 PM (Lzpvj)
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I have Aquabudda and Mitch the Bitch.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at December 22, 2022 12:31 PM (zZu0s)
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Sorry, Ace. It must suck to see these people expose themselves.
Posted by: Comrade flounder, Disinformation
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Don't shoot the penis piano player. It's nuclear war entertainment. Like Benny Goodman or Bob Hope.
Posted by: Comrade flounder, Disinformation
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Don't shoot the penis piano player. It's nuclear war entertainment. Like Benny Goodman or Bob Hope.
Posted by: torabora at December 22, 2022 12:31 PM (a5c5i)
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was it over when the Ghost of Kiev was bombed on Snake Island?
Posted by: sockamster, Aos ShowRunner at December 22, 2022 12:31 PM (MLrvz)
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Biden is like the fat kid on the playground everyone pushes over and steals his lunch money.
Posted by: Gmac - WTF did you think was going to happen? at December 22, 2022 12:31 PM (qZdIZ)
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"I wish that Mitch McConnell and National Review equally believed their own country was important enough to fight for."
I have come to the realization that there is only ONE issue in America today.
We are ruled by people who hate us and are in it for their own enrichment at the cost of everything else.
Everyone in Washington must be purged. METAPHORICALLY. Otherwise we'll get to the conditions of the French Revolution and it won't be metaphorical anymore.
THAT is what I would like to prevent. I hope and pray we can.
I have come to the realization that there is only ONE issue in America today.
We are ruled by people who hate us and are in it for their own enrichment at the cost of everything else.
Everyone in Washington must be purged. METAPHORICALLY. Otherwise we'll get to the conditions of the French Revolution and it won't be metaphorical anymore.
THAT is what I would like to prevent. I hope and pray we can.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at December 22, 2022 12:32 PM (JMAcK)
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Should have told the state dept to kick rocks when they screwed everything up at the beginning of this. But then you can't line your pockets on the deaths of your people can you ?
Posted by: SOMEASSHOLESTOLEMYPEN at December 22, 2022 12:32 PM (ytSiK)
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Since day 1 I couldn't care less about Ukraine
That's my attitude. Not my circus, not my monkeys.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic, Ashli Babbitt/Rosanne Boyland at December 22, 2022 12:21 PM (1Z8zZ)
Yup, got no Dawg in this fight.
That's my attitude. Not my circus, not my monkeys.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic, Ashli Babbitt/Rosanne Boyland at December 22, 2022 12:21 PM (1Z8zZ)
Yup, got no Dawg in this fight.
Posted by: Romeo13 at December 22, 2022 12:32 PM (oHd/0)
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For the same reason, the (somewhat desperate-sounding) claims that by backing Ukraine we are "risking World War Three!!!" are also idiotic.
The Ukrainians are doing their damndest to try to get NATO directly involved in the war.
That is a risk.
The Ukrainians are doing their damndest to try to get NATO directly involved in the war.
That is a risk.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 22, 2022 12:32 PM (KCOCK)
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Just think, all Russia had to do was get a tan and put on some dresses and then they could come over to Ukraine as the natural flow of migrants and it'd be a hate crime to stop them
Posted by: sockamster, Aos ShowRunner at December 22, 2022 12:32 PM (MLrvz)
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Putin has so many better options than a nuclear strike, especially since we blew up his pipeline. Our electric infrastructure is terribly fragile and wide open to sabotage. A few large commercial drones with explosives could take out most of our refinery assets in hours.
Nukes are not really necessary except as a deterrent.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 22, 2022 12:28 PM (yQpMk)
All that is true, but the calculation would be even that would result in a first strike from the other direction. Unfortunately, that calculation is correct.
Nukes are not really necessary except as a deterrent.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 22, 2022 12:28 PM (yQpMk)
All that is true, but the calculation would be even that would result in a first strike from the other direction. Unfortunately, that calculation is correct.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 22, 2022 12:32 PM (KSNKu)
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Zelensky is the panhandler you encounter when you're in a little bit tuned up good mood, and you give him a dollar. And he says "What the fuck, dude, you got more than that".
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 22, 2022 12:33 PM (lz5hY)
201
I didn't get a harumph outta that guy!
Posted by: Michael Beschloss, notable retard at December 22, 2022 12:33 PM (h5TKJ)
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186 Posted by: Intrepid Democratic Underground AoS Liaison at December 22, 2022 12:31 PM (JCZqz)
A front man for the Ukie laundry who played the piano with his dick is the new Churchill.
Fuck these people in particular.
A front man for the Ukie laundry who played the piano with his dick is the new Churchill.
Fuck these people in particular.
Posted by: sven at December 22, 2022 12:33 PM (Lzpvj)
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Don't shoot the penis piano player. It's nuclear war entertainment. Like Benny Goodman or Bob Hope.
Posted by: torabora at December 22, 2022 12:31 PM (a5c5i)
I notice you did not mention Milton Berle...
Posted by: torabora at December 22, 2022 12:31 PM (a5c5i)
I notice you did not mention Milton Berle...
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at December 22, 2022 12:33 PM (zZu0s)
204
I really hope all my morons bought their extended warranty.
Posted by: torabora at December 22, 2022 12:33 PM (a5c5i)
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Posted by: Intrepid Democratic Underground AoS Liaison at December 22, 2022 12:31 PM (JCZqz)
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They just used the find-and-replace function and reused their comments about Fauci.
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They just used the find-and-replace function and reused their comments about Fauci.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 22, 2022 12:33 PM (t0OGg)
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Their running out of ammo and the traditional new recruits don't want to join.
This is, "raid the treasury" territory. There is no longer any long term thinking involved with our national government.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at December 22, 2022 12:31 PM (veXAq)
I really never thought I'd see the US go downhill like this in my lifetime.
I guess Hal Lindsey was right all along, the bastard.
This is, "raid the treasury" territory. There is no longer any long term thinking involved with our national government.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at December 22, 2022 12:31 PM (veXAq)
I really never thought I'd see the US go downhill like this in my lifetime.
I guess Hal Lindsey was right all along, the bastard.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at December 22, 2022 12:33 PM (V6f9+)
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Honestly... if Russia shouted "YOLO" & Nuked the Ukes, our craven political classes would shit in their oversized slacks, and do... nothing.
This is only a graft mill for them. They aren't willing to personally die for it.
Any number of other factors may be staying Putin's hand, but fear of America's Politburo of obese, geriatric, childfucking oligarch cowards isn't one of them.
Honestly... if Russia shouted "YOLO" & Nuked the Ukes, our craven political classes would shit in their oversized slacks, and do... nothing.
This is only a graft mill for them. They aren't willing to personally die for it.
Any number of other factors may be staying Putin's hand, but fear of America's Politburo of obese, geriatric, childfucking oligarch cowards isn't one of them.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 22, 2022 12:33 PM (oINRc)
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also, behold the power of ballot harvesting, the zero point five percent issue is both partys' agenda
Posted by: sockamster, Aos ShowRunner at December 22, 2022 12:33 PM (MLrvz)
209
Ace, Shoutout from Mollie.
https://tinyurl.com/3ssdw97b
Posted by: Comrade flounder, Disinformation Demon at December 22, 2022 12:29 PM (hgD8w)
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Like Andrew, in her tweet she appears to praise the commenters.
https://tinyurl.com/3ssdw97b
Posted by: Comrade flounder, Disinformation Demon at December 22, 2022 12:29 PM (hgD8w)
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Like Andrew, in her tweet she appears to praise the commenters.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 22, 2022 12:33 PM (It9OC)
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They're liberating, not occupying any of the towns Ivan captured.
The last mostly free, mostly fair election they had the people in those towns voted for better relations with Russia.
"Liberating" is not the accurate term here.
On the "plus" side if the Ukes win those people won't be there for long though...
The last mostly free, mostly fair election they had the people in those towns voted for better relations with Russia.
"Liberating" is not the accurate term here.
On the "plus" side if the Ukes win those people won't be there for long though...
Posted by: 18-1 at December 22, 2022 12:33 PM (lc5cP)
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199 Just think, all Russia had to do was get a tan and put on some dresses and then they could come over to Ukraine as the natural flow of migrants and it'd be a hate crime to stop them
Posted by: sockamster, Aos ShowRunner at December 22, 2022 12:32 PM (MLrvz)
The odds are north of 100 percent that has happened.
Posted by: sockamster, Aos ShowRunner at December 22, 2022 12:32 PM (MLrvz)
The odds are north of 100 percent that has happened.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 22, 2022 12:33 PM (KSNKu)
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152 Way too many “conservatives” supporting this money laundering globo homo operation.
Posted by: x
Lotta people stuck in a cold war mentality. Lotta people still unwilling to fully embrace the fact that we've been lied to, about just about everything, for pretty much our entire lives.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic
+++++++++++++
I would guess that a majority of voters, both Dem and Rep are against shipping money to Ukraine (or Iran, etc.). This foreign and military aid has become the mechanism by which politicians and the DC establishment get campaign donations and grift.
Posted by: x
Lotta people stuck in a cold war mentality. Lotta people still unwilling to fully embrace the fact that we've been lied to, about just about everything, for pretty much our entire lives.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic
+++++++++++++
I would guess that a majority of voters, both Dem and Rep are against shipping money to Ukraine (or Iran, etc.). This foreign and military aid has become the mechanism by which politicians and the DC establishment get campaign donations and grift.
Posted by: whig at December 22, 2022 12:33 PM (bDjBG)
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Rethugs and search your souls…. If you can find them.
I am actually a registered Democrat, but my soul has nothing to do with my views on Russia and Ukraine. Their theological information is a bit lacking.
I am actually a registered Democrat, but my soul has nothing to do with my views on Russia and Ukraine. Their theological information is a bit lacking.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 22, 2022 12:34 PM (vH/6k)
Posted by: spindrift at December 22, 2022 12:34 PM (h5TKJ)
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>>>If you had told me in 2006 that within 20 years the democrats would be cheering nuclear dick wagging and brinksmanship and doubting people who wanted a cessation of fighting I would have analyzed whether you needed committed.
Add to that their complete and unconditional support for the FBI and CIA. Part of it may be because they're in charge, but there's something else at play here.
Add to that their complete and unconditional support for the FBI and CIA. Part of it may be because they're in charge, but there's something else at play here.
Posted by: Citizen Cake at December 22, 2022 12:34 PM (HmZuC)
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I could never muster too much of a flying fuck about Ukraine at all from the very beginning. It seemed so... manufactured from jump street.
I wonder if this is how some people felt about gulf war I in the 90s...
I wonder if this is how some people felt about gulf war I in the 90s...
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at December 22, 2022 12:34 PM (zZu0s)
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185 Posted by: Wyatt Earp at December 22, 2022 12:30 PM (d2bW3)
Not voting for them does not stop their power.
Not voting for them does not stop their power.
Posted by: sven at December 22, 2022 12:34 PM (Lzpvj)
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No Blood For Biden!
Posted by: sockamster, Aos ShowRunner at December 22, 2022 12:34 PM (MLrvz)
219
That Katerina Soria dame sure has a lot of assets:
https://is.gd/XpvGlC
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 22, 2022 12:29 PM (t0OGg)
I think I have identified the key terrain in the Battle for Katerina Heights.
https://is.gd/XpvGlC
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 22, 2022 12:29 PM (t0OGg)
I think I have identified the key terrain in the Battle for Katerina Heights.
Posted by: Diogenes at December 22, 2022 12:34 PM (anj39)
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Laugh all you want, but they're the same folks that wax poetic about college football.
In fairness, I would put the Crimson Tide of Alabama up against the Ukrainians any Saturday.
Bama by 21.
In fairness, I would put the Crimson Tide of Alabama up against the Ukrainians any Saturday.
Bama by 21.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 22, 2022 12:34 PM (yQpMk)
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Anyone who believes Putin is done for -- do you honestly believe that God is on our side? That God will uphold the victory of the perverted, Satan-worshipping, child sacrificing transhumanist Empire of Lies?
If so... why?
If so... why?
Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at December 22, 2022 12:35 PM (YJwUM)
222
Nice to see the JV progs whoop up on the Varsity team.
Posted by: squid at December 22, 2022 12:35 PM (S/NWs)
223
215 This is what authentic heroism looks like.
Begging for money?
Posted by: spindrift at December 22, 2022 12:34 PM (h5TKJ)
Not all heroes wear capes.
Begging for money?
Posted by: spindrift at December 22, 2022 12:34 PM (h5TKJ)
Not all heroes wear capes.
Posted by: Some hold cardboard signs and rattle their styrofoam cups at December 22, 2022 12:35 PM (s2na+)
224
The idea that Russia, while bogged down in Ukraine, would strike other countries is manifestly ridiculous.
Now, wait a minute. Let's think this through...
If Putin bombed Davos when it was fully loaded with Our Betters and the Parasite Class and WEF Commies,
he might just win this thing.
And then he could go on to invade China.*
*Yeah, yeah, I know. But, I just want a nice quick and dirty solution to the currently insoluble problem of Worldwide Rule By Malicious Dickweeds.
Now, wait a minute. Let's think this through...
If Putin bombed Davos when it was fully loaded with Our Betters and the Parasite Class and WEF Commies,
he might just win this thing.
And then he could go on to invade China.*
*Yeah, yeah, I know. But, I just want a nice quick and dirty solution to the currently insoluble problem of Worldwide Rule By Malicious Dickweeds.
Posted by: naturalfake at December 22, 2022 12:35 PM (KLPy8)
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So, all those billions and the guy can't afford a nice suit? He prefers to parade around in Ché-Chic, despite the fact that he was a comedian five minutes ago? What's next -- full generalissimo attire like Khaddafi?
And apparently 99% of the US Congress is full of Ben Stiller-like fanboys, hoping to touch the hem of Zelensky's garment.
ptooiee.
And apparently 99% of the US Congress is full of Ben Stiller-like fanboys, hoping to touch the hem of Zelensky's garment.
ptooiee.
Posted by: red speck at December 22, 2022 12:36 PM (gS3OW)
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I gave this begging homeless gal in a parking lot $3 and she says " what the hell am I supposed to do with that?"
Embarrassed, I just drove off.
Embarrassed, I just drove off.
Posted by: torabora at December 22, 2022 12:36 PM (a5c5i)
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184 If you had told me in 2006 that within 20 years the democrats would be cheering nuclear dick wagging and brinksmanship and doubting people who wanted a cessation of fighting I would have analyzed whether you needed committed.
Here we are.
Posted by: sven at December 22, 2022 12:30 PM (Lzpvj)
20 years from now the idea that there are Democrats and Republicans will seem just as odd.
Here we are.
Posted by: sven at December 22, 2022 12:30 PM (Lzpvj)
20 years from now the idea that there are Democrats and Republicans will seem just as odd.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at December 22, 2022 12:36 PM (V6f9+)
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Bit garbled but still in essence the same situation. We are borrowing money that can never be repaid in order to dabble with a proxy war. What is not noted is that France helping us set off another world war and France/Spain got their butts kicked in Europe and elsewhere over us as a casus belli.
Posted by: whig at December 22, 2022 12:24 PM (bDjBG)
I'm pretty sure that war had started by the time France came to our aid. But I could be wrong. but yes, we were a part of a world war before it was called such...
Posted by: whig at December 22, 2022 12:24 PM (bDjBG)
I'm pretty sure that war had started by the time France came to our aid. But I could be wrong. but yes, we were a part of a world war before it was called such...
Posted by: SturmToddler at December 22, 2022 12:36 PM (Mkvkw)
229
That Katerina Soria dame sure has a lot of assets:
https://is.gd/XpvGlC
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 22, 2022 12:29 PM (t0OGg)
=================
Holy smokes! My second wife! (as long as I get to keep the first too)
https://is.gd/XpvGlC
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 22, 2022 12:29 PM (t0OGg)
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Holy smokes! My second wife! (as long as I get to keep the first too)
Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 22, 2022 12:36 PM (It9OC)
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If you had told me in 2006 that within 20 years the democrats would be cheering nuclear dick wagging and brinksmanship
I still set in amazement that the twitteri located in NYC and DC keep publicly cheering for a nuclear attack on Russia.
What the hell do they think a Russian response would be and specifically where would it be targeted?
I still set in amazement that the twitteri located in NYC and DC keep publicly cheering for a nuclear attack on Russia.
What the hell do they think a Russian response would be and specifically where would it be targeted?
Posted by: 18-1 at December 22, 2022 12:36 PM (lc5cP)
231
What the hell am I supposed to do with forty five billion dollars?
Posted by: Zelenskyy at December 22, 2022 12:36 PM (a5c5i)
232
Money for nothing, and your chicks for free.
Posted by: Citizen Cake at December 22, 2022 12:37 PM (HmZuC)
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227 I gave this begging homeless gal in a parking lot $3 and she says " what the hell am I supposed to do with that?"
Embarrassed, I just drove off.
Posted by: torabora at December 22, 2022 12:36 PM (a5c5i)
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"Give it to a girl working her way through college. One bill at a time."
Embarrassed, I just drove off.
Posted by: torabora at December 22, 2022 12:36 PM (a5c5i)
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"Give it to a girl working her way through college. One bill at a time."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at December 22, 2022 12:37 PM (veXAq)
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Mike Lee
@SenMikeLee
An amendment by Sens Sinema & Tester is designed to ensure a porous border. A wolf in sheep's clothing to mislead the American people to believe Dems are doing something to secure our borders. It merely provides them cover to vote against my extension of Title 42 protections.
@SenMikeLee
An amendment by Sens Sinema & Tester is designed to ensure a porous border. A wolf in sheep's clothing to mislead the American people to believe Dems are doing something to secure our borders. It merely provides them cover to vote against my extension of Title 42 protections.
Posted by: redridinghood at December 22, 2022 12:37 PM (NpAcC)
235
Zelensky is kind of Churchillian, isn't he?
Posted by: CNN at December 22, 2022 12:37 PM (CdE4N)
236
And in the 1980s these Democrats were worried about the Mudj in Afghanistan getting Stingers and the Soviets capturing one.
Here they are giving military tech at cut rate prices...
Here they are giving military tech at cut rate prices...
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 22, 2022 12:37 PM (AGB/o)
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Posted by: Intrepid Democratic Underground AoS Liaison at December 22, 2022 12:31 PM
There's child-like naiveté, and then there's the DU.
There's child-like naiveté, and then there's the DU.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 22, 2022 12:37 PM (Wnv9h)
238
Correct, it was just Obama mouthing off.
Posted by: gourmand du jour
Nukes were removed under Clinton. IIRC
Posted by: gourmand du jour
Nukes were removed under Clinton. IIRC
Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at December 22, 2022 12:37 PM (NW9xb)
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Meanwhile, our country is being invaded on the Southern border, trans are grooming kids, and China is eating our lunch.
Must be nice to sell your soul for American taxpayer dollars being funneled into your offshore, tax free, accounts while America burns to the ground.
Must be nice to sell your soul for American taxpayer dollars being funneled into your offshore, tax free, accounts while America burns to the ground.
Posted by: BetaCuck4Lyfe at December 22, 2022 12:37 PM (MFZ8i)
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231 What the hell do they think a Russian response would be and specifically where would it be targeted?
Posted by: 18-1 at December 22, 2022 12:36 PM (lc5cP)
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An isolated Kansas farm?
Posted by: 18-1 at December 22, 2022 12:36 PM (lc5cP)
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An isolated Kansas farm?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at December 22, 2022 12:37 PM (veXAq)
241
I gave this begging homeless gal in a parking lot $3 and she says " what the hell am I supposed to do with that?"
Embarrassed, I just drove off.
Posted by: torabora at December 22, 2022 12:36 PM (a5c5i)
++++
Last time I was in San Francisco, they didn't even wait to get something from you before hurling contemptuous invective. If you *didn't* give them anything, they'd follow you around and scream at you for a couple of blocks. Happened to me numerous times.
I hate San Francisco. A formerly really nice, now shithole city, utterly ruined by its ruling class.
Embarrassed, I just drove off.
Posted by: torabora at December 22, 2022 12:36 PM (a5c5i)
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Last time I was in San Francisco, they didn't even wait to get something from you before hurling contemptuous invective. If you *didn't* give them anything, they'd follow you around and scream at you for a couple of blocks. Happened to me numerous times.
I hate San Francisco. A formerly really nice, now shithole city, utterly ruined by its ruling class.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 22, 2022 12:37 PM (t0OGg)
242
So Congress fiddles while America burns.
Stock market tanking
Housing market tanking
Open borders
Inflation out of control
But lets send billions to Ukraine and hold a special session to honor the corrupt beaurocrat of a foreign country which has nothing to do with our security but everything to do with graft and neocon war mongering.
--
Exactly, Sharon. The American people and the dire issues facing all of us are not their priority. Not by a long shot.
Stock market tanking
Housing market tanking
Open borders
Inflation out of control
But lets send billions to Ukraine and hold a special session to honor the corrupt beaurocrat of a foreign country which has nothing to do with our security but everything to do with graft and neocon war mongering.
--
Exactly, Sharon. The American people and the dire issues facing all of us are not their priority. Not by a long shot.
Posted by: Lady in Black at December 22, 2022 12:37 PM (sVtYq)
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I gave this begging homeless gal in a parking lot $3 and she says " what the hell am I supposed to do with that?"
Embarrassed, I just drove off.
Posted by: torabora at December 22, 2022 12:36 PM
Was it the Hillary Clinton $3.00 bill? I carry one in my wallet, and never leave home without it.
I gave this begging homeless gal in a parking lot $3 and she says " what the hell am I supposed to do with that?"
Embarrassed, I just drove off.
Posted by: torabora at December 22, 2022 12:36 PM
Was it the Hillary Clinton $3.00 bill? I carry one in my wallet, and never leave home without it.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at December 22, 2022 12:38 PM (enJYY)
244
His voice sounded like a frog to me last night. And why was Congress applauding him? I think Z might be the king from the north....
Posted by: Miss Issippi at December 22, 2022 12:38 PM (sI15f)
245
Ukraine has an incalculable advantage over Russia in that they have a reason to fight-they believe in their country.
That is certainly true to an extent, but Ukraine is still a country that is refusing to let males of military age leave the country, which does bespeak a certain lack of enthusiasm for fighting for Mother Ukraine in some quarters.
Russia does let males of military age leave, but it was explained to me here a few days ago that letting your males of military age leave is a sign of weakness, and refusing to let your males of military age leave is a sign of strength.
That is certainly true to an extent, but Ukraine is still a country that is refusing to let males of military age leave the country, which does bespeak a certain lack of enthusiasm for fighting for Mother Ukraine in some quarters.
Russia does let males of military age leave, but it was explained to me here a few days ago that letting your males of military age leave is a sign of weakness, and refusing to let your males of military age leave is a sign of strength.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 22, 2022 12:38 PM (KCOCK)
246
208
Honestly... if Russia shouted "YOLO" & Nuked the Ukes, our craven political classes would shit in their oversized slacks, and do... nothing.
This is only a graft mill for them. They aren't willing to personally die for it.
Any number of other factors may be staying Putin's hand, but fear of America's Politburo of obese, geriatric, childfucking oligarch cowards isn't one of them.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 22, 2022 12:33 PM (oINRc)
Ukrainian citizens really are the victims here. Putin probably realizes the D.C. maggots would fold like a cheap suit if he dropped a nuke on Kiev but for whatever reason has stayed his hand. My fear is he goes the next step if nuclear weapons become optional.
Honestly... if Russia shouted "YOLO" & Nuked the Ukes, our craven political classes would shit in their oversized slacks, and do... nothing.
This is only a graft mill for them. They aren't willing to personally die for it.
Any number of other factors may be staying Putin's hand, but fear of America's Politburo of obese, geriatric, childfucking oligarch cowards isn't one of them.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 22, 2022 12:33 PM (oINRc)
Ukrainian citizens really are the victims here. Putin probably realizes the D.C. maggots would fold like a cheap suit if he dropped a nuke on Kiev but for whatever reason has stayed his hand. My fear is he goes the next step if nuclear weapons become optional.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 22, 2022 12:38 PM (KSNKu)
247
Elon Musk
@elonmusk
52m
Replying to
@SenatorTester
and
@SenatorSinema
But shouldn’t there be some funding in this bill to secure US borders, given that we are spending tens of billions to secure the borders of other countries?
@elonmusk
52m
Replying to
@SenatorTester
and
@SenatorSinema
But shouldn’t there be some funding in this bill to secure US borders, given that we are spending tens of billions to secure the borders of other countries?
Posted by: redridinghood at December 22, 2022 12:38 PM (NpAcC)
248
Zelensky is kind of Churchillian, isn't he?
Posted by: CNN at December 22, 2022 12:37 PM
Actually, he kind of is....
Wait...were you talking about Ward or Winston?
Posted by: CNN at December 22, 2022 12:37 PM
Actually, he kind of is....
Wait...were you talking about Ward or Winston?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 22, 2022 12:38 PM (Wnv9h)
249
242 Last time I was in San Francisco, they didn't even wait to get something from you before hurling contemptuous invective. If you *didn't* give them anything, they'd follow you around and scream at you for a couple of blocks. Happened to me numerous times.
I hate San Francisco. A formerly really nice, now shithole city, utterly ruined by its ruling class.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 22, 2022 12:37 PM (t0OGg)
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I think it's funny to watch the Mark Rober glitterbomb videos.
He's done five, and San Francisco just keeps getting worse.
I hate San Francisco. A formerly really nice, now shithole city, utterly ruined by its ruling class.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 22, 2022 12:37 PM (t0OGg)
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I think it's funny to watch the Mark Rober glitterbomb videos.
He's done five, and San Francisco just keeps getting worse.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at December 22, 2022 12:38 PM (veXAq)
250
It looks like Caroline (my pet name for her is "Pill") is fast-tracking her prison system intake. Sooner she starts, sooner she gets out! Meanwhile I'm going to send her prison love letters. I am skilled in the art of pitching surefire postal woo. When she replies, I'll share our correspondence here for the lulz.
Posted by: El gp De Los Vientos at December 22, 2022 12:38 PM (24fqN)
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222 Anyone who believes Putin is done for -- do you honestly believe that God is on our side? That God will uphold the victory of the perverted, Satan-worshipping, child sacrificing transhumanist Empire of Lies?
If so... why?
Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at December 22, 2022 12:35 PM (YJwUM)
God went out for smokes ages ago and never came home.
If so... why?
Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at December 22, 2022 12:35 PM (YJwUM)
God went out for smokes ages ago and never came home.
Posted by: God's not on anyone's side but his at December 22, 2022 12:39 PM (s2na+)
252
What the hell am I supposed to do with forty five billion dollars?
Posted by: Zelenskyy at December 22, 2022 12:36 PM (a5c5i)
His problem won't be spending it. It will be getting any value for his (our) money. Everyone knows what he wants. He won't get any deals. And import is limited by shipping. It will be 6 months before he sees any real acquisition of assets for this tranche and that may be too late.
Posted by: Zelenskyy at December 22, 2022 12:36 PM (a5c5i)
His problem won't be spending it. It will be getting any value for his (our) money. Everyone knows what he wants. He won't get any deals. And import is limited by shipping. It will be 6 months before he sees any real acquisition of assets for this tranche and that may be too late.
Posted by: Diogenes at December 22, 2022 12:39 PM (anj39)
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If Putin bombed Davos when it was fully loaded with Our Betters and the Parasite Class and WEF Commies,
he might just win this thing.
And then he could go on to invade China.*
The fact that he hasn't murdered these non-government meddlers is very curious. I mean, if I were a sociopathic dictator with assassins on my payroll, the WEF would have all been liquidated long ago.
he might just win this thing.
And then he could go on to invade China.*
The fact that he hasn't murdered these non-government meddlers is very curious. I mean, if I were a sociopathic dictator with assassins on my payroll, the WEF would have all been liquidated long ago.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 22, 2022 12:39 PM (yQpMk)
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"120 Had the US just largely stayed out of it, this thing would be over, less Ukranians would be dead, and Russia would have a section of Ukraine like they took of Crimea and no one would give a shit.
But now we have dragged this thing on to where Ukraine will probably be rubble and the US will have to rebuild it to the tune of trillions. But we dont have the money for a border fence.
I absolutely think Putin is capable of launching a nuke here, he knows he's dead anyway.
Posted by: Blago at December 22, 2022 12:20 PM (EaHnS)"
This shows a pretty wild lack of understanding regarding Russian intentions. True, the western left goaded Russia into this, but Russia has maintained for a century that Ukraine doesn't exist as a culture. This combined with their psychotic obesession with buffer states makes this a fight for all the marbles as far as Ukraine is concerned. Rolling over and abandoning populations and territory is absolutely the wrong move, whether we help them or not.
But now we have dragged this thing on to where Ukraine will probably be rubble and the US will have to rebuild it to the tune of trillions. But we dont have the money for a border fence.
I absolutely think Putin is capable of launching a nuke here, he knows he's dead anyway.
Posted by: Blago at December 22, 2022 12:20 PM (EaHnS)"
This shows a pretty wild lack of understanding regarding Russian intentions. True, the western left goaded Russia into this, but Russia has maintained for a century that Ukraine doesn't exist as a culture. This combined with their psychotic obesession with buffer states makes this a fight for all the marbles as far as Ukraine is concerned. Rolling over and abandoning populations and territory is absolutely the wrong move, whether we help them or not.
Posted by: somedood at December 22, 2022 12:39 PM (EgLGT)
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For any Members of Congress who refused to clap for Zelenskyy, we need to know from them exactly why.
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If you're not with us you're with the terrorists, I guess.
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If you're not with us you're with the terrorists, I guess.
Posted by: ... at December 22, 2022 12:39 PM (Anwxb)
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They are going to make us pay for all wars in all corners of the globe even if we are no any longer joining their bloated incompetent military in sufficient numbers to actually fight those wars.
Up next: conscription returns
Up next: conscription returns
Posted by: Ex-GOP at December 22, 2022 12:39 PM (YTBIQ)
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249 Elon Musk
@elonmusk
But shouldn’t there be some funding in this bill to secure US borders, given that we are spending tens of billions to secure the borders of other countries?
Posted by: redridinghood at December 22, 2022 12:38 PM (NpAcC)
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Is Musk turning full conservative?
@elonmusk
But shouldn’t there be some funding in this bill to secure US borders, given that we are spending tens of billions to secure the borders of other countries?
Posted by: redridinghood at December 22, 2022 12:38 PM (NpAcC)
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Is Musk turning full conservative?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at December 22, 2022 12:39 PM (veXAq)
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Zelensky is the panhandler you encounter when you're in a little bit tuned up good mood, and you give him a dollar. And he says "What the fuck, dude, you got more than that".
Posted by: bill in arkansas
And then reminds you of the kompromat he's got on you.
Posted by: bill in arkansas
And then reminds you of the kompromat he's got on you.
Posted by: SFGoth at December 22, 2022 12:39 PM (KAi1n)
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But shouldn’t there be some funding in this bill to secure US borders, given that we are spending tens of billions to secure the borders of other countries?
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goddamn, someone had to say it
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goddamn, someone had to say it
Posted by: sockamster, Aos ShowRunner at December 22, 2022 12:40 PM (MLrvz)
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I gave this begging homeless gal in a parking lot $3 and she says " what the hell am I supposed to do with that?"
Embarrassed, I just drove off.
Posted by: torabora at December 22, 2022 12:36 PM (a5c5i)
One reason I never give money to the street bums.
Embarrassed, I just drove off.
Posted by: torabora at December 22, 2022 12:36 PM (a5c5i)
One reason I never give money to the street bums.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gen X Ne'er-Do-Well at December 22, 2022 12:40 PM (UQUAY)
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also, no one fighting this bill mentions inflation
Posted by: sockamster, Aos ShowRunner at December 22, 2022 12:40 PM (MLrvz)
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Putin doesn't have to attack us at all. We are doing a fine job of bankrupting and destroying our society all by ourselves.
I remember early on being told over and over by the geniuses in DC that we were slowly ruining Putin's economy and strangling him. The Russian economy is doing just fine and here we are sending another $40 billion to prop up a military that can't win.
I remember early on being told over and over by the geniuses in DC that we were slowly ruining Putin's economy and strangling him. The Russian economy is doing just fine and here we are sending another $40 billion to prop up a military that can't win.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 22, 2022 12:40 PM (ZLI7S)
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>>>Is Musk turning full conservative?
Common-sense is now considered conservative. We are, as the Chinese say, in interesting times.
Common-sense is now considered conservative. We are, as the Chinese say, in interesting times.
Posted by: Citizen Cake at December 22, 2022 12:40 PM (HmZuC)
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Khadaffi was a Colonel when he took Libya and unlike other tyrants he never promoted himself to Major Generalissimo
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 22, 2022 12:40 PM (AGB/o)
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Like a lot of other shit, this will all pass when the Silents and Boomers pass. We're stuck in the last gasps of two really self-absorbed generations who, inconveniently, hold all the levers of power.
Posted by: Telecaster at December 22, 2022 12:37 PM (du/FJ)
There you go, painting with an overly broad brush again.
Posted by: Telecaster at December 22, 2022 12:37 PM (du/FJ)
There you go, painting with an overly broad brush again.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 22, 2022 12:40 PM (tkR6S)
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263 also, no one fighting this bill mentions inflation
Posted by: sockamster, Aos ShowRunner at December 22, 2022 12:40 PM (MLrvz)
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Inflation is 7% instead of 9%. That means it's whipped.
Posted by: sockamster, Aos ShowRunner at December 22, 2022 12:40 PM (MLrvz)
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Inflation is 7% instead of 9%. That means it's whipped.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at December 22, 2022 12:41 PM (veXAq)
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This is only a graft mill for them. They aren't willing to personally die for it.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 22, 2022 12:33 PM (oINRc)
Neither is Zelensky. In his bunker all tricked out like a soldier, clutching his pearls for Congress. DC is spending our money to protect their money, while Mrs Zelensky shops at Hermes. Fuck ZDogg
This is only a graft mill for them. They aren't willing to personally die for it.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 22, 2022 12:33 PM (oINRc)
Neither is Zelensky. In his bunker all tricked out like a soldier, clutching his pearls for Congress. DC is spending our money to protect their money, while Mrs Zelensky shops at Hermes. Fuck ZDogg
Posted by: CN at December 22, 2022 12:41 PM (Zzbjj)
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I gave this begging homeless gal in a parking lot $3 and she says " what the hell am I supposed to do with that?"
You should have said, "You're right, you didn't earn this" and took your $3 back. Ungrateful vagrants make me not want to help them at all.
You should have said, "You're right, you didn't earn this" and took your $3 back. Ungrateful vagrants make me not want to help them at all.
Posted by: Miss Issippi at December 22, 2022 12:41 PM (sI15f)
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"The problem is that the Biden admin continues to withhold certain kinds of weapons that Ukraine needs"
The problem is that Zelenski doesn't realize that he's just cannon fodder to winnow Russia down for the real war, which the Ukraine will not be participating it because it will be dead. Biden is literally slitting this guy's throat and Zelenski is smiling about it.
The problem is that Zelenski doesn't realize that he's just cannon fodder to winnow Russia down for the real war, which the Ukraine will not be participating it because it will be dead. Biden is literally slitting this guy's throat and Zelenski is smiling about it.
Posted by: JamesTCarville at December 22, 2022 12:41 PM (x7plP)
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Ace et al.,
The Collective Western Media is lying to us and the entire world. Russia is in absolutely no way bogged down. They have formed a massive meat grinder and invited the Ukrainian gov't to feed its military into it. The corrupt, evil, and venal Ukrainian gov't has obliged and is effectively demilitarizing itself by feeding its military into this meat grinder.
- Demilitarization of Ukraine is one of Russia's plainly stated strategic goals. It appears to be in the advanced stages of completion.
Ace et al.,
The Collective Western Media is lying to us and the entire world. Russia is in absolutely no way bogged down. They have formed a massive meat grinder and invited the Ukrainian gov't to feed its military into it. The corrupt, evil, and venal Ukrainian gov't has obliged and is effectively demilitarizing itself by feeding its military into this meat grinder.
- Demilitarization of Ukraine is one of Russia's plainly stated strategic goals. It appears to be in the advanced stages of completion.
Posted by: Bach in Black at December 22, 2022 12:41 PM (7ubmG)
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Needs more $ to fund his wife's shopping sprees.
Posted by: mr tmz at December 22, 2022 12:41 PM (rJ48h)
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Zelensky is kind of Churchillian, isn't he?
Posted by: CNN at December 22, 2022 12:37 PM
I'm thinking more of the Bay of Pigs Cuban exiles...
Posted by: CNN at December 22, 2022 12:37 PM
I'm thinking more of the Bay of Pigs Cuban exiles...
Posted by: Diogenes at December 22, 2022 12:41 PM (anj39)
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I remember early on being told over and over by the geniuses in DC that we were slowly ruining Putin's economy and strangling him. The Russian economy is doing just fine and here we are sending another $40 billion to prop up a military that can't win.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 22, 2022 12:40 PM (ZLI7S)
Outside of the psychotic fanatics, all that matters to Congress is the $40B can be skimmed.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 22, 2022 12:40 PM (ZLI7S)
Outside of the psychotic fanatics, all that matters to Congress is the $40B can be skimmed.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 22, 2022 12:41 PM (KSNKu)
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242 I have only drawn my gun twice, just letting bad actors know I had it and it did the trick. One was with an aggressive panhandler in Cleveland (they have aggressive panhandler warning signs) who flat got in my face and started poking me in the chest. He ran.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 22, 2022 12:42 PM (lz5hY)
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Russki chief of staff did a briefing today, highlights were meh, but I hope to watch the whole thing later.
No, Ukraine really has no right to bitch about the 1994 agreement re nukes. First, they needed the money. Second, they had no real use for, or ability to maintain, the nukes and some of their delivery systems. Third, there really was (nor is there now) much use for the nukes, since the Russians will not be using them (not even the smallest chance). Fourth, the Donbass situation and the Minsk I and II stories involve at least much Ukrainian as Russian f***ery, if not more, and that is one of the two big drivers of the Russian operation.
No, Ukraine really has no right to bitch about the 1994 agreement re nukes. First, they needed the money. Second, they had no real use for, or ability to maintain, the nukes and some of their delivery systems. Third, there really was (nor is there now) much use for the nukes, since the Russians will not be using them (not even the smallest chance). Fourth, the Donbass situation and the Minsk I and II stories involve at least much Ukrainian as Russian f***ery, if not more, and that is one of the two big drivers of the Russian operation.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 22, 2022 12:42 PM (OTzUX)
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At least Washington elected are mostly past their stale date. I think it's the oldest ever.
Come on down, Diane Fiendstein.
Come on down, Diane Fiendstein.
Posted by: torabora at December 22, 2022 12:42 PM (a5c5i)
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I guess it will be a merry Christmas. I just got this text.
THIS Day is your Last Chance to File for how much you are owed. Campground Lejune owes you 25,854.36$ lbavcu.com/D8ytVm3hGl
THIS Day is your Last Chance to File for how much you are owed. Campground Lejune owes you 25,854.36$ lbavcu.com/D8ytVm3hGl
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at December 22, 2022 12:42 PM (FVME7)
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How much did the Contras cost to fund? If memory serves, I think we went a couple hundred million all in, on that sordid little affair, in a proxy war against a *much* more powerful Soviet bloc.
How much did the Contras cost to fund? If memory serves, I think we went a couple hundred million all in, on that sordid little affair, in a proxy war against a *much* more powerful Soviet bloc.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 22, 2022 12:43 PM (oINRc)
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And then reminds you of the kompromat he's got on you.
Posted by: SFGoth at December 22, 2022 12:39 PM (KAi1n)
Only a blackmailer would feel confident enough to send the wife to shop on the Champs Elysees while begging for money. Don't think the rich ukes are going to spend their money smashing Donbas, but wasting our is cool.
Posted by: SFGoth at December 22, 2022 12:39 PM (KAi1n)
Only a blackmailer would feel confident enough to send the wife to shop on the Champs Elysees while begging for money. Don't think the rich ukes are going to spend their money smashing Donbas, but wasting our is cool.
Posted by: CN at December 22, 2022 12:43 PM (Zzbjj)
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Ukraine = the mouse that roared?
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 22, 2022 12:43 PM (AGB/o)
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But the question is why?
What is very large amounts of money going into the correct pockets?
I'll take foreign corruption for $200.
What is very large amounts of money going into the correct pockets?
I'll take foreign corruption for $200.
Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at December 22, 2022 12:44 PM (CecP5)
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Putin was a LTC in the KGB. Obtaining that rank, you had to be a die hard commie - a true believer. That's all I have to say about that.
Posted by: Archer at December 22, 2022 12:44 PM (gmo/4)
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who the fuck are these new guys, and their word vomit makes no sense?
Posted by: OneEyedJack at December 22, 2022 12:44 PM (FCbAQ)
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Bidet said he had F-15s and nukes. Guess who he was talking about when he said it.
Posted by: Jimco Industries at December 22, 2022 12:44 PM (buTO7)
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Russia can't take and hold hostile territory in Ukrane after choosing war on its timetable, but seriously you guys they're totally gonna roll into Poland.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at December 22, 2022 12:44 PM (6tYhO)
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I'm pretty sure that war had started by the time France came to our aid. But I could be wrong. but yes, we were a part of a world war before it was called such... Posted by: SturmToddler
France sent covert aid to Americans beginning in 1775 https://tinyurl.com/2yhkczk5 and this aid was critical in helping the US win the Battle of Saratoga. So that France felt it was safe after that win to formally ally with the US sparking British declaration of war on France and Spain.
France sent covert aid to Americans beginning in 1775 https://tinyurl.com/2yhkczk5 and this aid was critical in helping the US win the Battle of Saratoga. So that France felt it was safe after that win to formally ally with the US sparking British declaration of war on France and Spain.
Posted by: whig at December 22, 2022 12:44 PM (bDjBG)
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@259
>>Is Musk turning full conservative?
Nah, He's a Blue Dog Democrat circa 1994 or 1995.
He just seem conservative because the Democrat party has gone so far to the left that Zombie Fidel Castro is saying from hell, Whoa Comrades, You be loco.
>>Is Musk turning full conservative?
Nah, He's a Blue Dog Democrat circa 1994 or 1995.
He just seem conservative because the Democrat party has gone so far to the left that Zombie Fidel Castro is saying from hell, Whoa Comrades, You be loco.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 22, 2022 12:44 PM (up/3i)
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I have only drawn my gun twice, just letting bad actors know I had it and it did the trick. One was with an aggressive panhandler in Cleveland (they have aggressive panhandler warning signs) who flat got in my face and started poking me in the chest. He ran.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 22, 2022 12:42 PM (lz5hY)
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If they know they have aggressive, dangerous vagrants to the point that they put up signage about it, why don't they arrest them? All cities have some amount of vagrancy, but it used to be handled rationally. There were limited areas the vagrants were allowed to be (under certain highway overpasses, off the bus yard, etc.) and they were tolerated so long as they didn't wander off the reservation or fuck with the normals. If they broke out of their zones or fucked with the normals, they'd get some hickory shampoo and some time in jail.
It isn't a great system, but it works. Putting up placards about the dangers and letting it fester is a far worse approach.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 22, 2022 12:42 PM (lz5hY)
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If they know they have aggressive, dangerous vagrants to the point that they put up signage about it, why don't they arrest them? All cities have some amount of vagrancy, but it used to be handled rationally. There were limited areas the vagrants were allowed to be (under certain highway overpasses, off the bus yard, etc.) and they were tolerated so long as they didn't wander off the reservation or fuck with the normals. If they broke out of their zones or fucked with the normals, they'd get some hickory shampoo and some time in jail.
It isn't a great system, but it works. Putting up placards about the dangers and letting it fester is a far worse approach.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 22, 2022 12:44 PM (t0OGg)
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"Like a lot of other shit, this will all pass when the Silents and Boomers pass."
Blame this boomer all you want. I deserve it. But know this: the shit won't pass when I do.
Blame this boomer all you want. I deserve it. But know this: the shit won't pass when I do.
Posted by: El gp De Los Vientos at December 22, 2022 12:45 PM (24fqN)
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" 222 Anyone who believes Putin is done for -- do you honestly believe that God is on our side? That God will uphold the victory of the perverted, Satan-worshipping, child sacrificing transhumanist Empire of Lies?
If so... why?
Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at December 22, 2022 12:35 PM (YJwUM)"
"Our"? This is a fight between the western left (not my side) and their partly involuntary proxy Ukraine (not my side) and the post-Soviet Russian barbarians (also not my side)
I'm not sympathetic to the west at all; only to those defending their homes.
If so... why?
Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at December 22, 2022 12:35 PM (YJwUM)"
"Our"? This is a fight between the western left (not my side) and their partly involuntary proxy Ukraine (not my side) and the post-Soviet Russian barbarians (also not my side)
I'm not sympathetic to the west at all; only to those defending their homes.
Posted by: somedood at December 22, 2022 12:45 PM (EgLGT)
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"The problem is that the Biden admin continues to withhold certain kinds of weapons that Ukraine needs"
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Why, just a couple of months ago we were told HIMARS would in the war for them. And Russia is losing!!
Except now we have to send American troops and Patriot missiles. And Ukraine will spend 20% more on defense this fiscal year than Russia spent.
But, the tide will soon turn!
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Why, just a couple of months ago we were told HIMARS would in the war for them. And Russia is losing!!
Except now we have to send American troops and Patriot missiles. And Ukraine will spend 20% more on defense this fiscal year than Russia spent.
But, the tide will soon turn!
Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 22, 2022 12:45 PM (It9OC)
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Up until 1991 Ukraine was part of Russia. Ukraine was Russia before Russia was Russia, hence the term "Kievan Rus", back when Moskovy was a backwater.
Posted by: Minuteman
Up until 1776, America was part of the British Empire.
Prior to 1921 Eire was part of the British emprie.
The corruption matters, this bullshit doesn't.
Posted by: Minuteman
Up until 1776, America was part of the British Empire.
Prior to 1921 Eire was part of the British emprie.
The corruption matters, this bullshit doesn't.
Posted by: Blue Hen at December 22, 2022 12:45 PM (5Al3g)
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There is no greater sucker in the entire history of the world than the U.S. Taxpayer.
Posted by: No Shirt Shylock at December 22, 2022 12:45 PM (PWI4f)
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What the hell am I supposed to do with forty five billion dollars?
Posted by: Zelenskyy at December 22, 2022 12:36 PM (a5c5i)
Congress slapped us in the face having that little ahole in our house last night while they embarrassed us by clapping like a bunch of retarded seals. We owe him nothing. Who does he think he is?
Posted by: Zelenskyy at December 22, 2022 12:36 PM (a5c5i)
Congress slapped us in the face having that little ahole in our house last night while they embarrassed us by clapping like a bunch of retarded seals. We owe him nothing. Who does he think he is?
Posted by: Miss Issippi at December 22, 2022 12:45 PM (sI15f)
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So all the World pretends to love freedom.
Love taking it.
World is a tourist trap.
New political relationships are at best,,, a hook up.
Love taking it.
World is a tourist trap.
New political relationships are at best,,, a hook up.
Posted by: humphreyrobot at December 22, 2022 12:45 PM (Ok8gS)
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277 Russki chief of staff did a briefing today, highlights were meh, but I hope to watch the whole thing later.
No, Ukraine really has no right to bitch about the 1994 agreement re nukes. First, they needed the money. Second, they had no real use for, or ability to maintain, the nukes and some of their delivery systems. Third, there really was (nor is there now) much use for the nukes, since the Russians will not be using them (not even the smallest chance). Fourth, the Donbass situation and the Minsk I and II stories involve at least much Ukrainian as Russian f***ery, if not more, and that is one of the two big drivers of the Russian operation.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 22, 2022 12:42 PM (OTzUX)
Even in the Soviet/Post-Soviet era, Ukraine was spectacularly corrupt. The then-sane West wanted it denuclearized because those weapons would have been sold to even worse actors.
No, Ukraine really has no right to bitch about the 1994 agreement re nukes. First, they needed the money. Second, they had no real use for, or ability to maintain, the nukes and some of their delivery systems. Third, there really was (nor is there now) much use for the nukes, since the Russians will not be using them (not even the smallest chance). Fourth, the Donbass situation and the Minsk I and II stories involve at least much Ukrainian as Russian f***ery, if not more, and that is one of the two big drivers of the Russian operation.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 22, 2022 12:42 PM (OTzUX)
Even in the Soviet/Post-Soviet era, Ukraine was spectacularly corrupt. The then-sane West wanted it denuclearized because those weapons would have been sold to even worse actors.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 22, 2022 12:46 PM (KSNKu)
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Zelensky actually is dumb enough to think he has power, isn't he? He comes and acts like this, forgetting that he's being used just as an easy way to launder money, and that by acting like an entitled child he's going to screw that up for the Dems, as he's going to start pissing off the public. He forgets he's replaceable, and if the Dems can martyr him in a false flag attack it'll work out even better for them.
If he doesn't start remembering that he's literally an actor hired to play a role, the producers here in the US are going to recast him for someone who hasn't built up a giant ego. Like so many before he'll realize he's only a star because he's on a show, and that once he tries to break away and do his own thing he'll be forgotten about.
If he doesn't start remembering that he's literally an actor hired to play a role, the producers here in the US are going to recast him for someone who hasn't built up a giant ego. Like so many before he'll realize he's only a star because he's on a show, and that once he tries to break away and do his own thing he'll be forgotten about.
Posted by: Rbastid at December 22, 2022 12:46 PM (/jg7D)
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At this point, we have to ask Zelensky: What the hell are we getting in return for our money?
If what we are buying is a country free of Russian control, the world lived with Ukraine under Russian control for almost 100 years.
I am 100 percent against Russia invading Ukraine. But at some point, Zelensky better start putting shit on the table. And start making these into loans to Ukraine -- not free money.
If what we are buying is a country free of Russian control, the world lived with Ukraine under Russian control for almost 100 years.
I am 100 percent against Russia invading Ukraine. But at some point, Zelensky better start putting shit on the table. And start making these into loans to Ukraine -- not free money.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at December 22, 2022 12:46 PM (lf83v)
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283 who the fuck are these new guys, and their word vomit makes no sense?
Posted by: OneEyedJack at December 22, 2022 12:44 PM (FCbAQ)
Hey!
Posted by: OneEyedJack at December 22, 2022 12:44 PM (FCbAQ)
Hey!
Posted by: Scipio202BC at December 22, 2022 12:46 PM (zZu0s)
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Putin was a LTC in the KGB. Obtaining that rank, you had to be a die hard commie - a true believer. That's all I have to say about that.
Posted by: Archer
Ever read about Saul of Tarsus?
Posted by: Archer
Ever read about Saul of Tarsus?
Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at December 22, 2022 12:46 PM (YJwUM)
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I remember early on being told over and over by the geniuses in DC that we were slowly ruining Putin's economy and strangling him.
There was a guy for the news agency Bellingcat (affiliated with British intelligence) who said early on that sanctions would cause the Russian military and economy to grind to a halt by "next Wednesday".
Now we are being told that everyone knew that sanctions would take five to ten years to work.
There was a guy for the news agency Bellingcat (affiliated with British intelligence) who said early on that sanctions would cause the Russian military and economy to grind to a halt by "next Wednesday".
Now we are being told that everyone knew that sanctions would take five to ten years to work.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 22, 2022 12:46 PM (KCOCK)
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206 Posted by: Intrepid Democratic Underground AoS Liaison at December 22, 2022 12:31 PM (JCZqz)
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They just used the find-and-replace function and reused their comments about Fauci.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 22, 2022 12:33 PM
We have to reduce, reuse and recycle electrons to save the planet!!!
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They just used the find-and-replace function and reused their comments about Fauci.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 22, 2022 12:33 PM
We have to reduce, reuse and recycle electrons to save the planet!!!
Posted by: Greens at December 22, 2022 12:46 PM (JCZqz)
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Like a lot of other shit, this will all pass when the Silents and Boomers pass. We're stuck in the last gasps of two really self-absorbed generations who, inconveniently, hold all the levers of power.
And apparently are the only generations with a work-ethic.
And apparently are the only generations with a work-ethic.
Posted by: Reuben Hick at December 22, 2022 12:46 PM (3hSHB)
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285 Posted by: Archer at December 22, 2022 12:44 PM (gmo/4)
It is and always was way more complicated than that.
The KGB hardliners considered officers who spent too much time in the GDR to be contaminated, Putin is also the guy that protected Gorby from being deposed by actual true believer hardliners and Yeltsin being hurt.
Putin like Xiaopeng grasped early on that Marxist economics are suck ass for funding a great power. Whether he thinks a dictatorship of the proles is the only just way to slice up the better economic pie or not is another matter.
It is and always was way more complicated than that.
The KGB hardliners considered officers who spent too much time in the GDR to be contaminated, Putin is also the guy that protected Gorby from being deposed by actual true believer hardliners and Yeltsin being hurt.
Putin like Xiaopeng grasped early on that Marxist economics are suck ass for funding a great power. Whether he thinks a dictatorship of the proles is the only just way to slice up the better economic pie or not is another matter.
Posted by: sven at December 22, 2022 12:46 PM (Lzpvj)
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"The problem is that the Biden admin continues to withhold certain kinds of weapons that Ukraine needs"
No. the issue is Ukraine (and the rooskies for that matter) do not fight as a combined arms team. Most of what we are seeing is probes of a single or at best, a dual action of air and artillery, artillery only, air only, tanks only, raids by infantry teams, etc.
It is stupid.
Fight like a modern army and you will see a big difference in results.
Ironically, even our Army has forgotten this...what given 20 years of small unit tactics.
No. the issue is Ukraine (and the rooskies for that matter) do not fight as a combined arms team. Most of what we are seeing is probes of a single or at best, a dual action of air and artillery, artillery only, air only, tanks only, raids by infantry teams, etc.
It is stupid.
Fight like a modern army and you will see a big difference in results.
Ironically, even our Army has forgotten this...what given 20 years of small unit tactics.
Posted by: Diogenes at December 22, 2022 12:46 PM (anj39)
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If he doesn't start remembering that he's literally an actor hired to play a role, the producers here in the US are going to recast him for someone who hasn't built up a giant ego. Like so many before he'll realize he's only a star because he's on a show, and that once he tries to break away and do his own thing he'll be forgotten about.
Posted by: Rbastid at December 22, 2022 12:46 PM (/jg7D)
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Seems to work for AOC.
Posted by: Rbastid at December 22, 2022 12:46 PM (/jg7D)
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Seems to work for AOC.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 22, 2022 12:47 PM (t0OGg)
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I stand with Vlad. There I said it. The sooner Putin conquers Ukraine, the better for people all over the world.
Posted by: Lincoln Hawk at December 22, 2022 12:47 PM (OpX6M)
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THIS Day is your Last Chance to File for how much you are owed. Campground Lejune owes you 25,854.36$ lbavcu.com/D8ytVm3hGl
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at December 22, 2022 12:42 PM
At this point, there are things clinging to the bottom of rocks under an ocean of ammonia on Ganymede that are getting tired of hearing about the Camp Lejune lawsuit.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at December 22, 2022 12:42 PM
At this point, there are things clinging to the bottom of rocks under an ocean of ammonia on Ganymede that are getting tired of hearing about the Camp Lejune lawsuit.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 22, 2022 12:47 PM (Wnv9h)
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>>What is very large amounts of money going into the correct pockets?
>>I'll take foreign corruption for $200.
The military industrial complex that feeds off of DC, including retired intel "experts" who sign bullshit letters days before an election to help swing public opinion, really runs most of what comes out of that shit hole.
>>I'll take foreign corruption for $200.
The military industrial complex that feeds off of DC, including retired intel "experts" who sign bullshit letters days before an election to help swing public opinion, really runs most of what comes out of that shit hole.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 22, 2022 12:47 PM (ZLI7S)
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I have only drawn my gun twice, just letting bad actors know I had it and it did the trick. One was with an aggressive panhandler in Cleveland (they have aggressive panhandler warning signs) who flat got in my face and started poking me in the chest. He ran.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 22, 2022 12:42 PM (lz5hY)
If he's close enough to poke you in the chest, he's close enough to fight you for that gun.
I'd push him away before *squinty eyes* brandishing my weapon.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 22, 2022 12:42 PM (lz5hY)
If he's close enough to poke you in the chest, he's close enough to fight you for that gun.
I'd push him away before *squinty eyes* brandishing my weapon.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at December 22, 2022 12:47 PM (FCbAQ)
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Congress slapped us in the face having that little ahole in our house last night while they embarrassed us by clapping like a bunch of retarded seals. We owe him nothing. Who does he think he is?
Posted by: Miss Issippi at December 22, 2022 12:45 PM (sI15f)
The man who holds their secrets and launders their cash
Posted by: Miss Issippi at December 22, 2022 12:45 PM (sI15f)
The man who holds their secrets and launders their cash
Posted by: CN at December 22, 2022 12:47 PM (Zzbjj)
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303 Posted by: Reuben Hick at December 22, 2022 12:46 PM (3hSHB)
Yup we 50 somethings are notorious for not working....
Yup we 50 somethings are notorious for not working....
Posted by: sven at December 22, 2022 12:47 PM (Lzpvj)
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Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 22, 2022 12:44 PM (t0OGg)
As you know, now that we've joined you here, we've been driving all around to find the back-street routes Lady YD likes to use. You know what I haven't seen?
One damn vagrant. And this place isn't a wealthy enclave. It's a regular town.
You can control vagrancy if you want.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 22, 2022 12:44 PM (t0OGg)
As you know, now that we've joined you here, we've been driving all around to find the back-street routes Lady YD likes to use. You know what I haven't seen?
One damn vagrant. And this place isn't a wealthy enclave. It's a regular town.
You can control vagrancy if you want.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 22, 2022 12:47 PM (oINRc)
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Lotta people still unwilling to fully embrace the fact that we've been lied to, about just about everything, for pretty much our entire lives.
It's a very painful realization. Like a fire building in your chest and head that eventually makes you feel like you'll explode. Everyone - EVERYONE - that you were supposed to be able to trust - your parents, pastors, teachers, schools, politicians, institutions - has been lying to you.
It's a very painful realization. Like a fire building in your chest and head that eventually makes you feel like you'll explode. Everyone - EVERYONE - that you were supposed to be able to trust - your parents, pastors, teachers, schools, politicians, institutions - has been lying to you.
Posted by: Gaslighting ain't just a juvenile pastime at December 22, 2022 12:47 PM (s2na+)
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God went out for smokes ages ago and never came home.
Posted by: God's not on anyone's side but his at December 22, 2022 12:39 PM (s2na+)
You were lucky enough to be out on a smoke with him and so know he didn't come back?
Posted by: God's not on anyone's side but his at December 22, 2022 12:39 PM (s2na+)
You were lucky enough to be out on a smoke with him and so know he didn't come back?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 22, 2022 12:47 PM (vH/6k)
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When asked, anyone who didn't clap should just say they did mail-in clapping.
Posted by: ... at December 22, 2022 12:47 PM (Anwxb)
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If what we are buying is a country free of Russian control, the world lived with Ukraine under Russian control for almost 100 years.
Far, far longer than that.
Far, far longer than that.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 22, 2022 12:48 PM (KCOCK)
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305 Posted by: Diogenes at December 22, 2022 12:46 PM (anj39)
I work in the biz so to speak, combined arms was tighter in 1997 than it is now.
I work in the biz so to speak, combined arms was tighter in 1997 than it is now.
Posted by: sven at December 22, 2022 12:48 PM (Lzpvj)
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You know why I believe Putin is an evil monster? Because the CIA and Lindsey Grahamnasty insist he is.
That's the only evidence I need!
Oh yeah, and that's the only evidence that has EVER been presented.
We can all confidently trust in the honesty and integrity of our "intelligence" agencies. - Most especially the CIA.
That's the only evidence I need!
Oh yeah, and that's the only evidence that has EVER been presented.
We can all confidently trust in the honesty and integrity of our "intelligence" agencies. - Most especially the CIA.
Posted by: Bach in Black at December 22, 2022 12:48 PM (7ubmG)
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May I offer Putin a suggestion? The next time the WEF/Davos crowd meets, nuke it. You will by acclamation be declared the King of the World.
Posted by: Chuck C at December 22, 2022 12:48 PM (xttsV)
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What the hell am I supposed to do with forty five billion dollars?
Posted by: Zelenskyy at December 22, 2022 12:36 PM (a5c5i)
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We'll take that
Posted by: Zelenskyy at December 22, 2022 12:36 PM (a5c5i)
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We'll take that
Posted by: Raytheon at December 22, 2022 12:48 PM (It9OC)
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You can control vagrancy if you want.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 22, 2022 12:47 PM (oINRc)
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Big cities always have some vagrancy. You can lock them all up, but it gets awfully expensive. The compromise solution more or less worked for *decades* before it was deliberately destroyed.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 22, 2022 12:47 PM (oINRc)
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Big cities always have some vagrancy. You can lock them all up, but it gets awfully expensive. The compromise solution more or less worked for *decades* before it was deliberately destroyed.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 22, 2022 12:49 PM (t0OGg)
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Honestly...I don't begrudge Zelensky for his hustle.
The Ukes didn't deserve to be invaded and they did not roll over and take it. I admire that.
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Except for the part where they allowed our bioweapons labs near the Russian border.
Which is funny, because that was pretty much 100% our premise for invading Iraq, except Russia didn't have to cross thousands of miles of ocean to do it. Oh, and Iraq didn't make public (sworn?) statements confirming that yes, they had multiple bioweapons labs in the country.
The Ukes didn't deserve to be invaded and they did not roll over and take it. I admire that.
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Except for the part where they allowed our bioweapons labs near the Russian border.
Which is funny, because that was pretty much 100% our premise for invading Iraq, except Russia didn't have to cross thousands of miles of ocean to do it. Oh, and Iraq didn't make public (sworn?) statements confirming that yes, they had multiple bioweapons labs in the country.
Posted by: Press Juan For English at December 22, 2022 12:49 PM (HQPbJ)
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And start making these into loans to Ukraine -- not free money.
Ukraine is the poorest major country in Europe - they have zero ability to pay loans back.
Ukraine is the poorest major country in Europe - they have zero ability to pay loans back.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 22, 2022 12:49 PM (KCOCK)
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266 263 also, no one fighting this bill mentions inflation
Posted by: sockamster, Aos ShowRunner at December 22, 2022 12:40 PM (MLrvz)
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Inflation is 7% instead of 9%. That means it's whipped.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at December 22, 2022 12:41 PM (veXAq)
Shadowstats still says north of 14%.
Posted by: sockamster, Aos ShowRunner at December 22, 2022 12:40 PM (MLrvz)
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Inflation is 7% instead of 9%. That means it's whipped.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at December 22, 2022 12:41 PM (veXAq)
Shadowstats still says north of 14%.
Posted by: Romeo13 at December 22, 2022 12:49 PM (oHd/0)
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But if you want to paint something that you and I can do - something that's useful - you use a bigger brush. When you're talking in the macro ? Use a broad brush.
Aw did your mommy and daddy not buy you that new car you whaaaaanted? Poor baby. The progressive overthrow of the US started more than 100 years ago, long before any of us were even born. At least my generation stacked dead Communists by the tens of thousands. What, exactly, has your generation done to protect freedom?
Aw did your mommy and daddy not buy you that new car you whaaaaanted? Poor baby. The progressive overthrow of the US started more than 100 years ago, long before any of us were even born. At least my generation stacked dead Communists by the tens of thousands. What, exactly, has your generation done to protect freedom?
Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at December 22, 2022 12:49 PM (CecP5)
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Far, far longer than that.
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I know. I just didn't want to get into the Russian, Prussian, Polish/Latvian empire lineage of Ukraine. Hell, we could even talk about the Golden Horde of Mongols that controlled Ukraine -- if we had the time.
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I know. I just didn't want to get into the Russian, Prussian, Polish/Latvian empire lineage of Ukraine. Hell, we could even talk about the Golden Horde of Mongols that controlled Ukraine -- if we had the time.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at December 22, 2022 12:49 PM (lf83v)
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Big cities always have some vagrancy. You can lock them all up, but it gets awfully expensive. The compromise solution more or less worked for *decades* before it was deliberately destroyed.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 22, 2022 12:49 PM (t0OGg)
Sure. It's a lot harder to be a vagrant in a small town. Bigger ya get, the more you get. But the more inhospitable you make a big city, the less of them you'll see.
Big cities always have some vagrancy. You can lock them all up, but it gets awfully expensive. The compromise solution more or less worked for *decades* before it was deliberately destroyed.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 22, 2022 12:49 PM (t0OGg)
Sure. It's a lot harder to be a vagrant in a small town. Bigger ya get, the more you get. But the more inhospitable you make a big city, the less of them you'll see.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 22, 2022 12:50 PM (oINRc)
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325 And start making these into loans to Ukraine -- not free money.
Ukraine is the poorest major country in Europe - they have zero ability to pay loans back.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 22, 2022 12:49 PM (KCOCK)
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Have they even been able to get their crops growing in the last year or so?
Ukraine is the poorest major country in Europe - they have zero ability to pay loans back.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 22, 2022 12:49 PM (KCOCK)
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Have they even been able to get their crops growing in the last year or so?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at December 22, 2022 12:50 PM (veXAq)
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327 Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at December 22, 2022 12:49 PM (CecP5)
The country was probably lost in 1917 just like the Soviet Union was the death of the Tsars.....
the commies here just walked slow.
The country was probably lost in 1917 just like the Soviet Union was the death of the Tsars.....
the commies here just walked slow.
Posted by: sven at December 22, 2022 12:51 PM (Lzpvj)
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At this point, we have to ask Zelensky: What the hell are we getting in return for our money?
In fairness, what we appear to be getting is the destruction of Russian military capability. I'm not for this adventure by proxy, but Russia has taken it in the ass hard. The reason this continues, and will continue to continue, is because Russia can't seem to put anything in the win column. Until it can, this is going to go on.
In fairness, what we appear to be getting is the destruction of Russian military capability. I'm not for this adventure by proxy, but Russia has taken it in the ass hard. The reason this continues, and will continue to continue, is because Russia can't seem to put anything in the win column. Until it can, this is going to go on.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at December 22, 2022 12:51 PM (KFhLj)
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I've gone from uninformed sympathy for Ukraine to actively hoping Russia wins decisively, annexes Ukraine, uncovers all the political dirty laundry on Biden, Inc. and humiliates Zalensky and the US. Of course it wouldn't matter because the media would lie about everything, the totality of LIVs in the country wouldn't care and the Republicans would join with the democrats in calling for nuclear war on Putin.
Posted by: Ordinary American at December 22, 2022 12:51 PM (H8QX8)
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The KGB hardliners considered officers who spent too much time in the GDR to be contaminated, Putin is also the guy that protected Gorby from being deposed by actual true believer hardliners and Yeltsin being hurt.
Putin like Xiaopeng grasped early on that Marxist economics are suck ass for funding a great power. Whether he thinks a dictatorship of the proles is the only just way to slice up the better economic pie or not is another matter.
Posted by: sven at December 22, 2022 12:46 PM (Lzpvj)
I think he's brought Tzar-dom back. He certainly governs like one. He has his Oligarch/Boyars and he has shown interest in the affairs of the peasants in a paternalistic way. Support the church, the church supports the state, etc.
Putin like Xiaopeng grasped early on that Marxist economics are suck ass for funding a great power. Whether he thinks a dictatorship of the proles is the only just way to slice up the better economic pie or not is another matter.
Posted by: sven at December 22, 2022 12:46 PM (Lzpvj)
I think he's brought Tzar-dom back. He certainly governs like one. He has his Oligarch/Boyars and he has shown interest in the affairs of the peasants in a paternalistic way. Support the church, the church supports the state, etc.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at December 22, 2022 12:51 PM (V6f9+)
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Sure. It's a lot harder to be a vagrant in a small town. Bigger ya get, the more you get. But the more inhospitable you make a big city, the less of them you'll see.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 22, 2022 12:50 PM (oINRc)
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Right, which is how things more or less used to work. There's the places where the vagrants are tolerated so long as they don't go wandering too far or interfere with normal people.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 22, 2022 12:50 PM (oINRc)
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Right, which is how things more or less used to work. There's the places where the vagrants are tolerated so long as they don't go wandering too far or interfere with normal people.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 22, 2022 12:51 PM (t0OGg)
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326 Inflation is 7% instead of 9%. That means it's whipped.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at December 22, 2022 12:41 PM (veXAq)
Shadowstats still says north of 14%.
Posted by: Romeo13 at December 22, 2022 12:49 PM (oHd/0)
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"Shadowstats is racism."
-Economic theorist teaching at the University of Chicago, probably
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at December 22, 2022 12:41 PM (veXAq)
Shadowstats still says north of 14%.
Posted by: Romeo13 at December 22, 2022 12:49 PM (oHd/0)
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"Shadowstats is racism."
-Economic theorist teaching at the University of Chicago, probably
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at December 22, 2022 12:51 PM (veXAq)
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I gave this begging homeless gal in a parking lot $3 and she says " what the hell am I supposed to do with that?"
Embarrassed, I just drove off.
Posted by: torabora
Old and busted: Spare change?
New and cool: Spare Benjamins?
Embarrassed, I just drove off.
Posted by: torabora
Old and busted: Spare change?
New and cool: Spare Benjamins?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 22, 2022 12:51 PM (FVME7)
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Ukraine is the poorest major country in Europe - they have zero ability to pay loans back.
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Really? How come they were able to pay Hunter Biden millions of dollars? Is Burisma broke? Those Ukrainian oligarchs?
I call bullshit on their ability to pay back loans.
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Really? How come they were able to pay Hunter Biden millions of dollars? Is Burisma broke? Those Ukrainian oligarchs?
I call bullshit on their ability to pay back loans.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at December 22, 2022 12:52 PM (lf83v)
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Bidet said he had F-15s and nukes. Guess who he was talking about when he said it.
Posted by: Jimco Industries at December 22, 2022 12:44 PM (buTO7)
Saddam Hussein?
Posted by: Jimco Industries at December 22, 2022 12:44 PM (buTO7)
Saddam Hussein?
Posted by: BignJames at December 22, 2022 12:52 PM (AwYPR)
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328 Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at December 22, 2022 12:49 PM (lf83v)
It is easy to forget that once upon a time the Ukies were insrguably economically, socially, and militarily superior to Russia.....
It is easy to forget that once upon a time the Ukies were insrguably economically, socially, and militarily superior to Russia.....
Posted by: sven at December 22, 2022 12:52 PM (Lzpvj)
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When discussing groups, the broad brush fits by definition. Because, if the group didn't show collective behaviors, they'd never be defined as a group.
Posted by: Bassman at December 22, 2022 12:48 PM (iSpMS)
So, if one person who paints with an overly broad brush is a retard, then they all are?
Got it.
Posted by: Bassman at December 22, 2022 12:48 PM (iSpMS)
So, if one person who paints with an overly broad brush is a retard, then they all are?
Got it.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 22, 2022 12:52 PM (tkR6S)
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The whole Ukraine Russia debate here is exactly why Washington in his Farewell Address warned of foreign entanglements.
Essentially, we see what we want to see in foreign conflicts and it devolves into good guys and bad guys. It was thus in Britain and Ireland back the in the day, Israel and its neighbors, China vs USSR, and so on.
Diplomacy is not for the emotional but should be the result of cold, hard analysis by cynical wielders of state power that act toward a country's permanent interest rather than permanence in allies and enemies.
When foreign policy is made on the basis of domestic political considerations, you get a mess that might just get a lot of people killed.
Essentially, we see what we want to see in foreign conflicts and it devolves into good guys and bad guys. It was thus in Britain and Ireland back the in the day, Israel and its neighbors, China vs USSR, and so on.
Diplomacy is not for the emotional but should be the result of cold, hard analysis by cynical wielders of state power that act toward a country's permanent interest rather than permanence in allies and enemies.
When foreign policy is made on the basis of domestic political considerations, you get a mess that might just get a lot of people killed.
Posted by: whig at December 22, 2022 12:52 PM (bDjBG)
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I've gone from not giving a shit about the Ukraine war to not giving a shit about the Ukraine war.
I would care about the federal government spending billions of dollars, but the federal government has been run on funny money for so long I don't see how it really matters where they shovel it.
I would care about the federal government spending billions of dollars, but the federal government has been run on funny money for so long I don't see how it really matters where they shovel it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at December 22, 2022 12:52 PM (veXAq)
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Maybe NBC can suggest a loyalty salute, maybe, oh I don't know, right arm raised, hand up, palm forward thingy...
Posted by: Boswell
And people gave me shit for coming up with something similar, 40 years before the gorram fascists stole the gesture. Assholes.
Maybe NBC can suggest a loyalty salute, maybe, oh I don't know, right arm raised, hand up, palm forward thingy...
Posted by: Boswell
And people gave me shit for coming up with something similar, 40 years before the gorram fascists stole the gesture. Assholes.
Posted by: Zombie James Upham at December 22, 2022 12:52 PM (n+4am)
Posted by: SMH at what's coming at December 22, 2022 12:52 PM (/yIga)
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Even if half the Russian nuke warheads are duds, hitting US cities puts a serious dent in Democrat voting numbers.
Oops, that's wrong. Dead Dem votes matter.
Even if half the Russian nuke warheads are duds, hitting US cities puts a serious dent in Democrat voting numbers.
Oops, that's wrong. Dead Dem votes matter.
Posted by: Auspex at December 22, 2022 12:53 PM (j4U/Z)
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And start making these into loans to Ukraine -- not free money.
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Dude, it's like student loans.
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Dude, it's like student loans.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 22, 2022 12:53 PM (FVME7)
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If Ukraine can't win the war without dragging the rest of the world into it and risking nuclear armageddon, then they need to start thinking of how to negotiate a peaceful surrender.
Posted by: Undercoverin LA at December 22, 2022 12:53 PM (DjpUC)
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Honestly...I don't begrudge Zelensky for his hustle.
The Ukes didn't deserve to be invaded and they did not roll over and take it. I admire that.
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He ran on a peace with Donbas platform and didn't honor it. Maybe some ukes didn't deserve to be invaded, that one did. And his masquerading as a "soldier" is sickening, all from central wardrobe and not one iota of truth, while Olena and the kids beat it to Paris for haute couture, haute cuisine and five star hotels. He's a POS
The Ukes didn't deserve to be invaded and they did not roll over and take it. I admire that.
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He ran on a peace with Donbas platform and didn't honor it. Maybe some ukes didn't deserve to be invaded, that one did. And his masquerading as a "soldier" is sickening, all from central wardrobe and not one iota of truth, while Olena and the kids beat it to Paris for haute couture, haute cuisine and five star hotels. He's a POS
Posted by: CN at December 22, 2022 12:53 PM (Zzbjj)
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335 Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at December 22, 2022 12:51 PM (V6f9+)
That is a fair analysis, I think were you to get him to speak straight with you he would state he fantasized about a Russian people who could handle self-government.
Guy is a lot more complex than a cold war stereotype.
That is a fair analysis, I think were you to get him to speak straight with you he would state he fantasized about a Russian people who could handle self-government.
Guy is a lot more complex than a cold war stereotype.
Posted by: sven at December 22, 2022 12:54 PM (Lzpvj)
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I've gone from uninformed sympathy for Ukraine to actively hoping Russia wins decisively, annexes Ukraine, uncovers all the political dirty laundry on Biden, Inc. and humiliates Zalensky and the US. Of course it wouldn't matter because the media would lie about everything, the totality of LIVs in the country wouldn't care and the Republicans would join with the democrats in calling for nuclear war on Putin.
Posted by: Ordinary American at December 22, 2022 12:51 PM (H8QX
Concur. Ukraine is the dirty asshole of Europa. Russia needs to wipe it clean.
Wipe. It. Clean.
Posted by: Ordinary American at December 22, 2022 12:51 PM (H8QX
Concur. Ukraine is the dirty asshole of Europa. Russia needs to wipe it clean.
Wipe. It. Clean.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 22, 2022 12:54 PM (R/m4+)
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Zelensky can suck my dick.
I don't give a fuck about Ukraine.
I hope they win and that Putin loses because Putin is a commie fuck and I hate commie fucks. However, the other side of that balance is that Ukraine is and has been a ridiculously corrupt catspaw for the globalist left for the past few decades, and I hope that the global left loses their collective ass having bet on being able to enrich themselves by playing in that sandbox filled with catshit.
I don't give a fuck about Ukraine.
I hope they win and that Putin loses because Putin is a commie fuck and I hate commie fucks. However, the other side of that balance is that Ukraine is and has been a ridiculously corrupt catspaw for the globalist left for the past few decades, and I hope that the global left loses their collective ass having bet on being able to enrich themselves by playing in that sandbox filled with catshit.
Posted by: ballistic at December 22, 2022 12:54 PM (oXNqT)
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I would say no to this asshole just because he showed up to speak before a joint session of Congress wearing a fucking sweater. Not that Congress as currently constituted deserves any sort of institutional or individual respect. But such things are just not done. Have some class, man.
Posted by: Sharkman at December 22, 2022 12:54 PM (jO1gQ)
353
@324
>>Which is funny, because that was pretty much 100% our premise for invading Iraq,
THEY HAD YELLOW CAKE!!! YELLOWCAKE!!!
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George "Slam Dunk" Tenet
>>Which is funny, because that was pretty much 100% our premise for invading Iraq,
THEY HAD YELLOW CAKE!!! YELLOWCAKE!!!
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George "Slam Dunk" Tenet
Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 22, 2022 12:54 PM (up/3i)
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Ukraine is the poorest major country in Europe - they have zero ability to pay loans back.
It is difficult to overstate how poor Ukraine is.
They have a quarter of the per-capita GNP of Poland, and a third of the per-capita GNP of Russia.
They have only half the per-capita GNP of Turkey, for God's sake.
The major barrier to Ukraine joining the EU was the EU's assumption that a majority of the young people in Ukraine would emigrate, given the enormous disparity in wealth between Ukraine and Western and Central Europe.
It is difficult to overstate how poor Ukraine is.
They have a quarter of the per-capita GNP of Poland, and a third of the per-capita GNP of Russia.
They have only half the per-capita GNP of Turkey, for God's sake.
The major barrier to Ukraine joining the EU was the EU's assumption that a majority of the young people in Ukraine would emigrate, given the enormous disparity in wealth between Ukraine and Western and Central Europe.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 22, 2022 12:54 PM (KCOCK)
355
I work in the biz so to speak, combined arms was tighter in 1997 than it is now.
Posted by: sven at December 22, 2022 12:48 PM (Lzpvj)
Agreed.
I recall talking to Brigade Commanders fresh back from Iraq in 2009-10-11, etc. and asking them if their Brigade, fresh from a year of war, could go to Korea and take on a Nork MRD reinforced with the usual tanks and artillery and every one...every one of them admitted they'd get their asses kicked. One even told me his entire staff struggled putting together a simple fire support plan.
I was stunned.
Posted by: sven at December 22, 2022 12:48 PM (Lzpvj)
Agreed.
I recall talking to Brigade Commanders fresh back from Iraq in 2009-10-11, etc. and asking them if their Brigade, fresh from a year of war, could go to Korea and take on a Nork MRD reinforced with the usual tanks and artillery and every one...every one of them admitted they'd get their asses kicked. One even told me his entire staff struggled putting together a simple fire support plan.
I was stunned.
Posted by: Diogenes at December 22, 2022 12:54 PM (anj39)
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Russia is in absolutely no way bogged down. They have formed a massive meat grinder and invited the Ukrainian gov't to feed its military into it. The corrupt, evil, and venal Ukrainian gov't has obliged and is effectively demilitarizing itself by feeding its military into this meat grinder.
- Demilitarization of Ukraine is one of Russia's plainly stated strategic goals. It appears to be in the advanced stages of completion.
Posted by: Bach in Black
So much for the 'smart military blog' bit.
Russia started off with an invasion, which fucking failed.
Ukraine somehow still exists, which surprises me, cause I thought that the size and capabilities disparity would be crucial.
Now Ukraine has regained some ground, but still lack the capability to regain more or to avoid casualties holding what is has.
The latest bullshit claim is that" Russia has fomed this meat grinder." Utter trash. They are doing what they can with what they have. It's easier to lob artillery and missiles than to rebuild maneuver units They have also been destroying infastructure since day one, which other liars here claimed Russia has NEVER done.
- Demilitarization of Ukraine is one of Russia's plainly stated strategic goals. It appears to be in the advanced stages of completion.
Posted by: Bach in Black
So much for the 'smart military blog' bit.
Russia started off with an invasion, which fucking failed.
Ukraine somehow still exists, which surprises me, cause I thought that the size and capabilities disparity would be crucial.
Now Ukraine has regained some ground, but still lack the capability to regain more or to avoid casualties holding what is has.
The latest bullshit claim is that" Russia has fomed this meat grinder." Utter trash. They are doing what they can with what they have. It's easier to lob artillery and missiles than to rebuild maneuver units They have also been destroying infastructure since day one, which other liars here claimed Russia has NEVER done.
Posted by: Blue Hen at December 22, 2022 12:54 PM (5Al3g)
357
Maybe NBC can suggest a loyalty salute, maybe, oh I don't know, right arm raised, hand up, palm forward thingy...
Posted by: Boswell at December 22, 2022 12:18 PM (+Cgut)
That's not funny!!
Posted by: Boswell at December 22, 2022 12:18 PM (+Cgut)
That's not funny!!
Posted by: Michelle Fields at December 22, 2022 12:55 PM (PiwSw)
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Bigger ya get, the more you get. But the more inhospitable you make a big city, the less of them you'll see.
This is true, but even "conservatives" won't do this. The reason vagrants panhandle? Because they make bank from suckers. Of course, they use that to buy alcohol and drugs pretty much, as the amount of resources that big cities and nonprofits already pour on the homeless is huge and makes begging unnecessary. No one is starving downtown. I mean, if they were, you'd see carts picking up the dead. But you don't see that, do you?
This is true, but even "conservatives" won't do this. The reason vagrants panhandle? Because they make bank from suckers. Of course, they use that to buy alcohol and drugs pretty much, as the amount of resources that big cities and nonprofits already pour on the homeless is huge and makes begging unnecessary. No one is starving downtown. I mean, if they were, you'd see carts picking up the dead. But you don't see that, do you?
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at December 22, 2022 12:55 PM (KFhLj)
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310 Good advice, but I know that. In that case it was one step back, drew and held the pistol at my side. The worst thing you can do is get in a wrestling match over a gun. The other time was the same thing. I was going to my car while living in Erie, and three aspiring rappers said they wanted to talk to me so the Model 36 comes out at my side and I asked them what they wanted to talk about.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 22, 2022 12:55 PM (lz5hY)
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Ukraine somehow still exists, which surprises me, cause I thought that the size and capabilities disparity would be crucial.
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It's probably because it's all an op to launder money.
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It's probably because it's all an op to launder money.
Posted by: Change Your Socks Regularly at December 22, 2022 12:56 PM (v3mBl)
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12:49 PM (KCOCK)
KCOCK, coming at you hard with the greatest hits of yesteryear from renowned bands like REM and the B-52s!
KCOCK, coming at you hard with the greatest hits of yesteryear from renowned bands like REM and the B-52s!
Posted by: Rocking hard rock hard! at December 22, 2022 12:56 PM (s2na+)
362
Elon Musk needs to buy the HQ for $44 billion and get to the bottom of this sham.
Posted by: Napoleon XIV at December 22, 2022 12:12 PM (AiZBA)
“Best we can do is $44 and half a box of Hot Pockets.” - Elon, probably
Posted by: Napoleon XIV at December 22, 2022 12:12 PM (AiZBA)
“Best we can do is $44 and half a box of Hot Pockets.” - Elon, probably
Posted by: Ian S. at December 22, 2022 12:56 PM (D1n1Q)
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Except for the part where they allowed our bioweapons labs near the Russian border.
Which is funny, because that was pretty much 100% our premise for invading Iraq, except Russia didn't have to cross thousands of miles of ocean to do it. Oh, and Iraq didn't make public (sworn?) statements confirming that yes, they had multiple bioweapons labs in the country.
Posted by: Press Juan For English at December 22, 2022 12:49 PM (HQPbJ)
Jah, that's fucked up. American has lost any moral high ground. But that doesn't mean, to me at least, the Russia is justified in turning Ukraine back into a Russian province.
Which is funny, because that was pretty much 100% our premise for invading Iraq, except Russia didn't have to cross thousands of miles of ocean to do it. Oh, and Iraq didn't make public (sworn?) statements confirming that yes, they had multiple bioweapons labs in the country.
Posted by: Press Juan For English at December 22, 2022 12:49 PM (HQPbJ)
Jah, that's fucked up. American has lost any moral high ground. But that doesn't mean, to me at least, the Russia is justified in turning Ukraine back into a Russian province.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at December 22, 2022 12:56 PM (V6f9+)
364
The whole Ukraine Russia debate here is exactly why Washington in his Farewell Address warned of foreign entanglements.
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While he didn't specifically name Eric Swalwell . . .
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While he didn't specifically name Eric Swalwell . . .
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 22, 2022 12:56 PM (FVME7)
365
>>Ukraine somehow still exists
How long do you think they would have existed without our $100 billion and other military assets?
How long do you think they would have existed without our $100 billion and other military assets?
Posted by: JackStraw at December 22, 2022 12:57 PM (ZLI7S)
366
There seems to be a lot of underestimating Russia based on their struggles against a lesser power. We've seen this movie before.
Posted by: Citizen Cake at December 22, 2022 12:57 PM (HmZuC)
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355 Posted by: Diogenes at December 22, 2022 12:54 PM (anj39)
Part of the problem is we have fooled ourselves into overbetting on one aspect of the C3 trifecta.
The US Army circa 1997 would give its left testicle if honest for the modern comnet.
The current Army if honest would give both testicles to have half the inegrated fire control and time and motion of the 97 force.
We have learned the last 20 years to punch down on battlefield fludity to goat herding tribals.
Part of the problem is we have fooled ourselves into overbetting on one aspect of the C3 trifecta.
The US Army circa 1997 would give its left testicle if honest for the modern comnet.
The current Army if honest would give both testicles to have half the inegrated fire control and time and motion of the 97 force.
We have learned the last 20 years to punch down on battlefield fludity to goat herding tribals.
Posted by: sven at December 22, 2022 12:57 PM (Lzpvj)
368
Remember when Congress had to bring thirteen separate appropriation bills to the floor to be voted on?
Good times.
Good times.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at December 22, 2022 12:57 PM (ufFY8)
369
Russia and Ukraine have more in common historically and culturally then say Northern/Southern Italy.
But really that doesn't matter - because no government has the right to hold a people against their will (that whole DoI thing right?). So the people of Western Ukraine clearly want to be independent of Russia and the people of Donbas clearly want to be independent of Ukraine. Seems like if we didn't have a corrupt government here we'd be diplomatically offering to broker a deal that would make Ukes and Donbassians both happy.
Russia and Ukraine have more in common historically and culturally then say Northern/Southern Italy.
But really that doesn't matter - because no government has the right to hold a people against their will (that whole DoI thing right?). So the people of Western Ukraine clearly want to be independent of Russia and the people of Donbas clearly want to be independent of Ukraine. Seems like if we didn't have a corrupt government here we'd be diplomatically offering to broker a deal that would make Ukes and Donbassians both happy.
Posted by: 18-1 at December 22, 2022 12:58 PM (lc5cP)
370
Let's not play generational warriors here. There is plenty of blame to throw around.
-The generation in power during the 1910s got us into WWI and was way too coddling and entusiastic about eugenics.
-The generation in power during WWII (Not the Greatest Generation, but their fathers) were way too globalist and coddling of fucking commies.
-The Greatest Generation did their bit for God and Country, fought the commies abroad but got snookered by the commies at home.
-The Boomers managed to waste and piss away everything the blood of their Father's had built.
-everyone who came after them has been stupid and ignorant and willfully oblivious.
(Ed note: in all of these, there were people who were saying 'Hey wait a minute...' but they have been as ineffective at actually counteracting it as we are, so far. The Game is still being played.)
Have I managed to achieve equity in offense?
-The generation in power during the 1910s got us into WWI and was way too coddling and entusiastic about eugenics.
-The generation in power during WWII (Not the Greatest Generation, but their fathers) were way too globalist and coddling of fucking commies.
-The Greatest Generation did their bit for God and Country, fought the commies abroad but got snookered by the commies at home.
-The Boomers managed to waste and piss away everything the blood of their Father's had built.
-everyone who came after them has been stupid and ignorant and willfully oblivious.
(Ed note: in all of these, there were people who were saying 'Hey wait a minute...' but they have been as ineffective at actually counteracting it as we are, so far. The Game is still being played.)
Have I managed to achieve equity in offense?
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at December 22, 2022 12:58 PM (zZu0s)
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Like a lot of other shit, this will all pass when the Silents and Boomers pass. We're stuck in the last gasps of two really self-absorbed generations who, inconveniently, hold all the levers of power.
Meh.
Your generation is too busy whining about wanting socialism and chopping their dicks off to do much of anything.
Meh.
Your generation is too busy whining about wanting socialism and chopping their dicks off to do much of anything.
Posted by: naturalfake at December 22, 2022 12:58 PM (KLPy8)
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One of the silver linings of the Vietnam War was the thorough post-war assessment the military conducted. Clearly we got nothing, nothing, nothing from our experience in Afghanistan. It didn't even rate a footnote.
Posted by: Minuteman at December 22, 2022 12:58 PM (LaNzR)
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It is difficult to overstate how poor Ukraine is.
Which made the propaganda early in the war about how invading Russian troops were stunned by the wealth of Ukraine so ridiculous. "Yuri had never seen a paved road or a washing machine before he came to Ukraine."
Yeah, rural Russia is dirt-poor. Rural Ukraine is also dirt-poor.
Which made the propaganda early in the war about how invading Russian troops were stunned by the wealth of Ukraine so ridiculous. "Yuri had never seen a paved road or a washing machine before he came to Ukraine."
Yeah, rural Russia is dirt-poor. Rural Ukraine is also dirt-poor.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 22, 2022 12:58 PM (KCOCK)
374
So long as we're on the side of guys banning opposition parties, closing churches, and practicing ethnic cleansing while openly practicing Nazism.
That's all that matters.
That's all that matters.
Posted by: Change Your Socks Regularly at December 22, 2022 12:58 PM (v3mBl)
375
OT, but I really regret buying one of Jim Geraghty's really lousy books, which I did out of a wildly mistaken sense of "supporting his writing".
Tossed it into the trash today, with a bitter sense of having been taken... again.
Tossed it into the trash today, with a bitter sense of having been taken... again.
Posted by: Raytheon at December 22, 2022 12:59 PM (qdKsA)
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373 Yeah, rural Russia is dirt-poor. Rural Ukraine is also dirt-poor.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 22, 2022 12:58 PM (KCOCK)
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A whole lot of rural Europe is pretty dirty poor.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 22, 2022 12:58 PM (KCOCK)
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A whole lot of rural Europe is pretty dirty poor.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at December 22, 2022 12:59 PM (veXAq)
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368 Remember when Congress had to bring thirteen separate appropriation bills to the floor to be voted on?
Good times.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at December 22, 2022 12:57 PM (ufFY
We the people would still get fucked in the ass but at least there was PROCEDURE, dammit!
Good times.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at December 22, 2022 12:57 PM (ufFY
We the people would still get fucked in the ass but at least there was PROCEDURE, dammit!
Posted by: They don't even have to work for it anymore. at December 22, 2022 12:59 PM (s2na+)
Posted by: ... at December 22, 2022 12:59 PM (Anwxb)
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How long do you think they would have existed without our $100 billion and other military assets?
Posted by: JackStraw
Exactly. The US, France, UK, et al have given them roughly twice the annual military budget of Russia, and they are barely holding on with that. At least the Europeans seem to have figured out the scam.
Posted by: JackStraw
Exactly. The US, France, UK, et al have given them roughly twice the annual military budget of Russia, and they are barely holding on with that. At least the Europeans seem to have figured out the scam.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 22, 2022 12:59 PM (lTGtQ)
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So long as we're on the side of guys banning opposition parties, closing churches, and practicing ethnic cleansing while openly practicing Nazism.
Yep, that sounds like the goals of he FUSA's Deep State and political/ruling class.
Yep, that sounds like the goals of he FUSA's Deep State and political/ruling class.
Posted by: Reuben Hick at December 22, 2022 01:00 PM (3hSHB)
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375 OT, but I really regret buying one of Jim Geraghty's really lousy books, which I did out of a wildly mistaken sense of "supporting his writing".
Tossed it into the trash today, with a bitter sense of having been taken... again.
Posted by: Raytheon at December 22, 2022 12:59 PM (qdKsA)
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You know...if you want to support someone's writing...
Tossed it into the trash today, with a bitter sense of having been taken... again.
Posted by: Raytheon at December 22, 2022 12:59 PM (qdKsA)
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You know...if you want to support someone's writing...
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at December 22, 2022 01:00 PM (veXAq)
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Inflation is 7% instead of 9%. That means it's whipped.
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Also there were one million new jobs.
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Also there were one million new jobs.
Posted by: Change Your Socks Regularly at December 22, 2022 01:00 PM (v3mBl)
383
I would say no to this asshole just because he showed up to speak before a joint session of Congress wearing a fucking sweater.
My cousin Vinny had a better wardrobe
My cousin Vinny had a better wardrobe
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at December 22, 2022 01:00 PM (ufFY8)
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Ukraine somehow still exists, which surprises me, cause I thought that the size and capabilities disparity would be crucial.
There are strong hints that we gave the Ukes the intel to defeat the initial Russian decapitation strike which Putin has gambled on for the initial invasion.
Amusingly he found out the same thing we did - if you are going to war don't half ass it expecting it to be easy. Send a few million soldiers - better to send them home after 6 months then leave 250K in a kill box for a decade or two.
There are strong hints that we gave the Ukes the intel to defeat the initial Russian decapitation strike which Putin has gambled on for the initial invasion.
Amusingly he found out the same thing we did - if you are going to war don't half ass it expecting it to be easy. Send a few million soldiers - better to send them home after 6 months then leave 250K in a kill box for a decade or two.
Posted by: 18-1 at December 22, 2022 01:01 PM (lc5cP)
385
My usually savvy wife bought Nikki Haley's book at the height of Trump. I still see it on a pile in the basement and retch.
Posted by: ... at December 22, 2022 01:01 PM (Anwxb)
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366 There seems to be a lot of underestimating Russia based on their struggles against a lesser power. We've seen this movie before.
Posted by: Citizen Cake
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It is more that Russia often gets its ass handed to them in offensive wars. The key is not to invade Russia.
Posted by: Citizen Cake
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It is more that Russia often gets its ass handed to them in offensive wars. The key is not to invade Russia.
Posted by: whig at December 22, 2022 01:01 PM (bDjBG)
387
Ukraine somehow still exists
How long do you think they would have existed without our $100 billion and other military assets?
Posted by: JackStraw
Not long. That much is clear. Without the aid, they would have completely lost the air dimension, and from there it would be a matter of time.
How long do you think they would have existed without our $100 billion and other military assets?
Posted by: JackStraw
Not long. That much is clear. Without the aid, they would have completely lost the air dimension, and from there it would be a matter of time.
Posted by: Blue Hen at December 22, 2022 01:01 PM (5Al3g)
388
Zelensky's biggest worry is that the Russians will get him before he spends his money. If I were him, I'd be sure to offer Putin a cut.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 22, 2022 01:01 PM (qdKsA)
389
A light sprinkling of snow, the driveways are freezing with this morning's light rain, and the wind is increasing from the north.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 22, 2022 01:02 PM (lz5hY)
390
>>Exactly. The US, France, UK, et al have given them roughly twice the annual military budget of Russia, and they are barely holding on with that. At least the Europeans seem to have figured out the scam.
They seem to have known it all along. The NATO model. Everyone pledges to do their share which actually means giving the US taxpayer the privilege of defending Europe.
They seem to have known it all along. The NATO model. Everyone pledges to do their share which actually means giving the US taxpayer the privilege of defending Europe.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 22, 2022 01:02 PM (ZLI7S)
391
My usually savvy wife bought Nikki Haley's book at the height of Trump. I still see it on a pile in the basement and retch.
Posted by: ... at December 22, 2022 01:01 PM (Anwxb)
I do that when I see Shrub's book 'Decision Points', which I also paid cash money for. I keep it as a reminder to myself.
Posted by: ... at December 22, 2022 01:01 PM (Anwxb)
I do that when I see Shrub's book 'Decision Points', which I also paid cash money for. I keep it as a reminder to myself.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at December 22, 2022 01:02 PM (V6f9+)
Posted by: REDACTED at December 22, 2022 01:02 PM (us2H3)
393
Which made the propaganda early in the war about how invading Russian troops were stunned by the wealth of Ukraine so ridiculous.
Meh they were Ukes reading scripts. The scripts were "bad" to us because they weren't aimed at Ukes or Russians - they were aimed at LIV Americans and Europeans.
Meh they were Ukes reading scripts. The scripts were "bad" to us because they weren't aimed at Ukes or Russians - they were aimed at LIV Americans and Europeans.
Posted by: 18-1 at December 22, 2022 01:02 PM (lc5cP)
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361 12:49 PM (KCOCK)
KCOCK, coming at you hard with the greatest hits of yesteryear from renowned bands like REM and the B-52s!
Posted by: Rocking hard rock hard! at December 22, 2022 12:56 PM (s2na+)
*golfclap*
NEXT UP ON KCOCK: RED RED WINE BY UB40!
KCOCK, coming at you hard with the greatest hits of yesteryear from renowned bands like REM and the B-52s!
Posted by: Rocking hard rock hard! at December 22, 2022 12:56 PM (s2na+)
*golfclap*
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Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at December 22, 2022 01:02 PM (zZu0s)
395
Have I managed to achieve equity in offense?
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at December 22, 2022 12:58 PM (zZu0s)
A pretty solid effort. One thing I'm always drawn back to, anecdotal to be sure, is an Ann Landers article in my local paper. Remember that chic ? My mom and her mom thought that bitch hung the moon.
A scathing article by her about how the new generation (me) was too concerned with just getting a job, buying a house and car, and not tuned in enough to "the important things". Which Ann was sure she had dialed in.
I think she was pretty representative of the Silents and Boomers.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at December 22, 2022 12:58 PM (zZu0s)
A pretty solid effort. One thing I'm always drawn back to, anecdotal to be sure, is an Ann Landers article in my local paper. Remember that chic ? My mom and her mom thought that bitch hung the moon.
A scathing article by her about how the new generation (me) was too concerned with just getting a job, buying a house and car, and not tuned in enough to "the important things". Which Ann was sure she had dialed in.
I think she was pretty representative of the Silents and Boomers.
Posted by: Blues Junior at December 22, 2022 01:02 PM (5YnnZ)
396
only DC can make Putin the good guy
Well do you want you authoritarian despot with or without globohomo. I mean that's your choice in Biden v Putin right?
Well do you want you authoritarian despot with or without globohomo. I mean that's your choice in Biden v Putin right?
Posted by: 18-1 at December 22, 2022 01:03 PM (lc5cP)
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388 Zelensky's biggest worry is that the Russians will get him before he spends his money. If I were him, I'd be sure to offer Putin a cut.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 22, 2022 01:01 PM (qdKsA)
How do you know he hasn't?
Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 22, 2022 01:01 PM (qdKsA)
How do you know he hasn't?
Posted by: CN at December 22, 2022 01:03 PM (Zzbjj)
398
Amusingly he found out the same thing we did - if you are going to war don't half ass it expecting it to be easy. Send a few million soldiers - better to send them home after 6 months then leave 250K in a kill box for a decade or two.
Posted by: 18-1 at December 22, 2022 01:01 PM (lc5cP)
But you can't sling as anywhere near as much graft money to your civilian defense contractor buddies that way.
Posted by: 18-1 at December 22, 2022 01:01 PM (lc5cP)
But you can't sling as anywhere near as much graft money to your civilian defense contractor buddies that way.
Posted by: Military industrial complex indeed at December 22, 2022 01:03 PM (s2na+)
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383 I would say no to this asshole just because he showed up to speak before a joint session of Congress wearing a fucking sweater.
My cousin Vinny had a better wardrobe
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at December 22, 2022 01:00 PM (ufFY
Agree. Of course, a corrupt slob is exactly what he is.
My cousin Vinny had a better wardrobe
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at December 22, 2022 01:00 PM (ufFY
Agree. Of course, a corrupt slob is exactly what he is.
Posted by: Ordinary American at December 22, 2022 01:03 PM (H8QX8)
Posted by: Barack Obama at December 22, 2022 01:03 PM (D1n1Q)
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392 I do that when I see Shrub's book 'Decision Points', which I also paid cash money for. I keep it as a reminder to myself.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at December 22, 2022 01:02 PM (V6f9+)
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A reminder regarding the general dullness of political memoirs.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at December 22, 2022 01:02 PM (V6f9+)
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A reminder regarding the general dullness of political memoirs.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at December 22, 2022 01:03 PM (veXAq)
402
It's almost as if Zelensky had some sort of control over Biden and his cronies. Something in the form of blackmail material.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 22, 2022 12:12 PM
He apparently has the same control over every Western nation in the world. As every Western nation leader is doing the same as the Biden Administration and US Congress has been doing... sending unlimited amounts of their nation's taxpayers' money to Ukraine and outright telling them that Ukraine is more important than their own country's people.
This is not Zelensky's doing. He -- and every Western nation leader involved in the Ukraine situation -- is merely a puppet of the overall world plan of the WEF. Nothing happening here in the USA is unique to anything happening all over Europe and Australia and New Zealand. The WEF controls it all. People thinking this is just a Biden problem are not looking at the big picture. This would be happening no matter what Democrat was President. It is just a little easier with Biden as President, because of his family corruption.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 22, 2022 12:12 PM
He apparently has the same control over every Western nation in the world. As every Western nation leader is doing the same as the Biden Administration and US Congress has been doing... sending unlimited amounts of their nation's taxpayers' money to Ukraine and outright telling them that Ukraine is more important than their own country's people.
This is not Zelensky's doing. He -- and every Western nation leader involved in the Ukraine situation -- is merely a puppet of the overall world plan of the WEF. Nothing happening here in the USA is unique to anything happening all over Europe and Australia and New Zealand. The WEF controls it all. People thinking this is just a Biden problem are not looking at the big picture. This would be happening no matter what Democrat was President. It is just a little easier with Biden as President, because of his family corruption.
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at December 22, 2022 01:04 PM (Do5/p)
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Some bigwig financial guy, Scott Minerd just unexpectedly passed away. He was 63 but was a big health/fitness guy too and had a fatal heart attack during a regular workout.
Posted by: banana Dream at December 22, 2022 01:04 PM (I8nLU)
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Did Zelenski stop by his mansion in Florida to see if the caretakers are keeping everything ship shape?
Posted by: davidt at December 22, 2022 01:04 PM (SYTee)
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Exactly. The US, France, UK, et al have given them roughly twice the annual military budget of Russia, and they are barely holding on with that. At least the Europeans seem to have figured out the scam.
A smaller country is invaded and they are "barely holding on, despite receiving aid".
Now do the British empire in WWII.
So much for the 'smart military blog'.
A smaller country is invaded and they are "barely holding on, despite receiving aid".
Now do the British empire in WWII.
So much for the 'smart military blog'.
Posted by: Blue Hen at December 22, 2022 01:04 PM (5Al3g)
Posted by: ... at December 22, 2022 01:04 PM (Anwxb)
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One of the silver linings of the Vietnam War was the thorough post-war assessment the military conducted. Clearly we got nothing, nothing, nothing from our experience in Afghanistan. It didn't even rate a footnote.
Posted by: Minuteman at December 22, 2022 12:58 PM (LaNzR)
Well, America did learn how to abandon a country America promised it wouldn't and lose billions and billions in state of the art equipment, supplies and intelligence as well as wasting thousands of American servicemen's lives.
Posted by: Minuteman at December 22, 2022 12:58 PM (LaNzR)
Well, America did learn how to abandon a country America promised it wouldn't and lose billions and billions in state of the art equipment, supplies and intelligence as well as wasting thousands of American servicemen's lives.
Posted by: The Republic Of Vietnam at December 22, 2022 01:04 PM (R/m4+)
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I would say no to this asshole just because he showed up to speak before a joint session of Congress wearing a fucking sweater.
He’s an actor. The wardrobe is deliberate to project the image he/Klaus Schwab wants.
He’s an actor. The wardrobe is deliberate to project the image he/Klaus Schwab wants.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 22, 2022 01:04 PM (D1n1Q)
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A whole lot of rural Europe is pretty dirty poor.
Economically, Russia has been described as European cities surrounded by Central African poverty. The same is true of Ukraine.
There's a reason why almost all the volunteers for the Russian army come from rural areas and non-Russian areas.
Economically, Russia has been described as European cities surrounded by Central African poverty. The same is true of Ukraine.
There's a reason why almost all the volunteers for the Russian army come from rural areas and non-Russian areas.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 22, 2022 01:05 PM (KCOCK)
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Not all heroes wear capes.
Greg Price@greg_price11
McConnell: "I'm pretty proud of the fact that with a Democratic president, Democratic House, and Democratic Senate, we were able to achieve through this Omnibus spending bill essentially all of our priorities."
Greg Price@greg_price11
McConnell: "I'm pretty proud of the fact that with a Democratic president, Democratic House, and Democratic Senate, we were able to achieve through this Omnibus spending bill essentially all of our priorities."
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 22, 2022 01:05 PM (FVME7)
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@comment 356:
Russia started off with an invasion, which fucking failed.
-posted by Blue Hen
******
Oh yeah, the Ukes have TOTALLY kicked the Russians right out of their country. Uh huh. And soon they'll be marching to Moscow.
Get a clue.
@comment 356:
Russia started off with an invasion, which fucking failed.
-posted by Blue Hen
******
Oh yeah, the Ukes have TOTALLY kicked the Russians right out of their country. Uh huh. And soon they'll be marching to Moscow.
Get a clue.
Posted by: Bach in Black at December 22, 2022 01:05 PM (7ubmG)
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to think, this is all because the child fuckers in DC got pissed cuz Putin stopped them from adopting young spring chickens
Posted by: REDACTED at December 22, 2022 01:05 PM (us2H3)
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A scathing article by her about how the new generation (me) was too concerned with just getting a job, buying a house and car, and not tuned in enough to "the important things". Which Ann was sure she had dialed in.
I think she was pretty representative of the Silents and Boomers.
Posted by: Blues Junior at December 22, 2022 01:02 PM (5YnnZ)
Yeah, mostly I was trying to say that each generation has it's good and bad. Villains and Heroes.
Honestly I consider the early 20th (turn of the century) Eugenicists to be some of the most openly evil, yet accepted, assholes ever.
I think she was pretty representative of the Silents and Boomers.
Posted by: Blues Junior at December 22, 2022 01:02 PM (5YnnZ)
Yeah, mostly I was trying to say that each generation has it's good and bad. Villains and Heroes.
Honestly I consider the early 20th (turn of the century) Eugenicists to be some of the most openly evil, yet accepted, assholes ever.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at December 22, 2022 01:05 PM (zZu0s)
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Some bigwig financial guy, Scott Minerd just unexpectedly passed away. He was 63 but was a big health/fitness guy too and had a fatal heart attack during a regular workout.
Posted by: banana Dream at December 22, 2022 01:04 PM (I8nLU)
Did he just get a covid booster, like my tv commercials are urging?
Posted by: banana Dream at December 22, 2022 01:04 PM (I8nLU)
Did he just get a covid booster, like my tv commercials are urging?
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at December 22, 2022 01:05 PM (ufFY8)
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Economically, Russia has been described as European cities surrounded by Central African poverty.
You still need official permission to move to a Russian city - someone in a rural area can't just pack up and move to Moscow.
You still need official permission to move to a Russian city - someone in a rural area can't just pack up and move to Moscow.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 22, 2022 01:06 PM (KCOCK)
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403 Some bigwig financial guy, Scott Minerd just unexpectedly passed away. He was 63 but was a big health/fitness guy too and had a fatal heart attack during a regular workout.
Posted by: banana Dream at December 22, 2022 01:04 PM (I8nLU)
Jim Fixx. Famous jogger/runner. In tremendous shape. Drops dead of a massive heart attack at 52 while running.
Posted by: banana Dream at December 22, 2022 01:04 PM (I8nLU)
Jim Fixx. Famous jogger/runner. In tremendous shape. Drops dead of a massive heart attack at 52 while running.
Posted by: Irony. It's what's for dinner. at December 22, 2022 01:06 PM (s2na+)
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Jah, that's fucked up. American has lost any moral high ground. But that doesn't mean, to me at least, the Russia is justified in turning Ukraine back into a Russian province.
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I'm okay with letting the people in the eastern part that were (and still are) being ethnically cleansed and who wanted to be part of Russia make that decision.
But we - the U.S. - prompted our color revolution over there, and the people who did it are going to get their money's worth.
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I'm okay with letting the people in the eastern part that were (and still are) being ethnically cleansed and who wanted to be part of Russia make that decision.
But we - the U.S. - prompted our color revolution over there, and the people who did it are going to get their money's worth.
Posted by: Change Your Socks Regularly at December 22, 2022 01:06 PM (v3mBl)
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Imagine how much money Zelensky could have cadged if he'd declared he was transgendering? He's a piker.
Posted by: Ordinary American at December 22, 2022 01:06 PM (H8QX8)
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Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at December 22, 2022 01:00 PM (veXAq)
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Done.
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Done.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 22, 2022 01:06 PM (m7egX)
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If Putin bombed Davos when it was fully loaded with Our Betters and the Parasite Class and WEF Commies,
he might just win this thing.
And then he could go on to invade China.*
The fact that he hasn't murdered these non-government meddlers is very curious. I mean, if I were a sociopathic dictator with assassins on my payroll, the WEF would have all been liquidated long ago.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 22, 2022 12:39 PM (yQpMk)
Why would he when he can see this country committing national suicide? He'll wait until the carcus is dead and make a halvses deal with China.
he might just win this thing.
And then he could go on to invade China.*
The fact that he hasn't murdered these non-government meddlers is very curious. I mean, if I were a sociopathic dictator with assassins on my payroll, the WEF would have all been liquidated long ago.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 22, 2022 12:39 PM (yQpMk)
Why would he when he can see this country committing national suicide? He'll wait until the carcus is dead and make a halvses deal with China.
Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at December 22, 2022 01:07 PM (BdMk6)
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@greg_price11
McConnell: "I'm pretty proud of the fact that with a Democratic president, Democratic House, and Democratic Senate, we were able to achieve through this Omnibus spending bill essentially all of our priorities."
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 22, 2022 01:05 PM (FVME7)
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Huh. McConnell told a near-truth. The only deceit in that statement is the implication that the Democrats weren't interested in all of the exact same things.
McConnell: "I'm pretty proud of the fact that with a Democratic president, Democratic House, and Democratic Senate, we were able to achieve through this Omnibus spending bill essentially all of our priorities."
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 22, 2022 01:05 PM (FVME7)
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Huh. McConnell told a near-truth. The only deceit in that statement is the implication that the Democrats weren't interested in all of the exact same things.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 22, 2022 01:07 PM (t0OGg)
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Some bigwig financial guy, Scott Minerd just unexpectedly passed away. He was 63 but was a big health/fitness guy too and had a fatal heart attack during a regular workout.
Whenever one of these types die in Russia the FNM tells me its Putin killing them.
I don't think the Biden junta did it directly here (though the clot shot would be indirectly I suppose) but the difference in coverage is amusing.
Whenever one of these types die in Russia the FNM tells me its Putin killing them.
I don't think the Biden junta did it directly here (though the clot shot would be indirectly I suppose) but the difference in coverage is amusing.
Posted by: 18-1 at December 22, 2022 01:07 PM (lc5cP)
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Have I managed to achieve equity in offense?
Posted by: Aetius451AD
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You left out the most recent generations and thus you are being inequitable. Report to the nearest DIE center for reprogramming.
Posted by: Aetius451AD
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You left out the most recent generations and thus you are being inequitable. Report to the nearest DIE center for reprogramming.
Posted by: whig at December 22, 2022 01:07 PM (bDjBG)
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>>Some bigwig financial guy, Scott Minerd just unexpectedly passed away. He was 63 but was a big health/fitness guy too and had a fatal heart attack during a regular workout.
That almost never happens!
That almost never happens!
Posted by: Jim Fix at December 22, 2022 01:08 PM (5f91x)
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I'd trade Soros for Zelensky faster that Brittany Griner could dunk on her wife.
I'd trade Soros for Zelensky faster that Brittany Griner could dunk on her wife.
Posted by: Auspex at December 22, 2022 01:08 PM (j4U/Z)
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Some bigwig financial guy, Scott Minerd just unexpectedly passed away. He was 63 but was a big health/fitness guy too and had a fatal heart attack during a regular workout.
Posted by: banana Dream at December 22, 2022 01:04 PM (I8nLU)
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That makes me sad. I read his stuff regularly.
Posted by: banana Dream at December 22, 2022 01:04 PM (I8nLU)
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That makes me sad. I read his stuff regularly.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 22, 2022 01:08 PM (m7egX)
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But the question is why? Why is the intel community so invested in covering up for an obviously compromised president and involving the US in a war of choice that has no benefit to the average American?
Posted by: JackStraw at December 22, 2022 12:29 PM
Hi there.
Deep State controls every institution in the USA. We control the Deep State (in every Western nation in the world).
Posted by: JackStraw at December 22, 2022 12:29 PM
Hi there.
Deep State controls every institution in the USA. We control the Deep State (in every Western nation in the world).
Posted by: WEF elites at December 22, 2022 01:08 PM (Do5/p)
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McConnell: "I'm pretty proud of the fact that with a Democratic president, Democratic House, and Democratic Senate, we were able to achieve through this Omnibus spending bill essentially all of our priorities."
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 22, 2022 01:05 PM (FVME7
Hey Mitch, can you define “our”?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 22, 2022 01:05 PM (FVME7
Hey Mitch, can you define “our”?
Posted by: tofer732 at December 22, 2022 01:08 PM (fatpD)
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At least my generation stacked dead Communists by the tens of thousands. What, exactly, has your generation done to protect freedom?
Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at December 22, 2022 12:49 PM (CecP5)
Please, just stop.
Generational finger pointing is so stupid.
Nobody chose when they're born. Or what color. Or what level of wealth.
You want to mindlessly point foam fingers at your enemy, that's exactly what sports is for, so you can cheer on the laundry from you most excellent town and bash the laundry of that shit town to the north/south/east/west.
The gen x and millenials did sign up to fight forever wars to combat "terrorism".
That they were as abused as the 'Nam vets is no more their fault than it was for earlier generations of earnest dupes.
Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at December 22, 2022 12:49 PM (CecP5)
Please, just stop.
Generational finger pointing is so stupid.
Nobody chose when they're born. Or what color. Or what level of wealth.
You want to mindlessly point foam fingers at your enemy, that's exactly what sports is for, so you can cheer on the laundry from you most excellent town and bash the laundry of that shit town to the north/south/east/west.
The gen x and millenials did sign up to fight forever wars to combat "terrorism".
That they were as abused as the 'Nam vets is no more their fault than it was for earlier generations of earnest dupes.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at December 22, 2022 01:08 PM (FCbAQ)
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"...we were able to achieve through this Omnibus spending bill essentially all of our priorities."
"Our Priorities."
"Our Priorities."
Posted by: davidt at December 22, 2022 01:09 PM (SYTee)
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We're going to have Columbus NM 2.0 and the retards in DC can't see it. If you live in a border town, arm up if you haven't.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 22, 2022 01:09 PM (lz5hY)
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Jim Fixx. Famous jogger/runner. In tremendous shape. Drops dead of a massive heart attack at 52 while running.
Posted by: Irony
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Read his book, he started running because he thought it would protect him from a family history of heart issues. Genetics got him anyway.
Posted by: Irony
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Read his book, he started running because he thought it would protect him from a family history of heart issues. Genetics got him anyway.
Posted by: whig at December 22, 2022 01:09 PM (bDjBG)
433
Zelensky should have taken the first deal Russia offered. And stopped bombing Donbas long before the invasion
Posted by: polynikes at December 22, 2022 01:09 PM (KLWiP)
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Honestly I consider the early 20th (turn of the century) Eugenicists to be some of the most openly evil, yet accepted, assholes ever.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at December 22, 2022 01:05 PM (zZu0s)
Compelling folks to military service is right up there in my book. Yet, some still bump their gums about how Conscription will make men out of boys.
In a nation of free citizens, you just stack up the guns and uniforms. If it's a clear and present danger, a draft is not necessary.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at December 22, 2022 01:05 PM (zZu0s)
Compelling folks to military service is right up there in my book. Yet, some still bump their gums about how Conscription will make men out of boys.
In a nation of free citizens, you just stack up the guns and uniforms. If it's a clear and present danger, a draft is not necessary.
Posted by: Blues Junior at December 22, 2022 01:09 PM (5YnnZ)
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>>He apparently has the same control over every Western nation in the world. As every Western nation leader is doing the same as the Biden Administration and US Congress has been doing... sending unlimited amounts of their nation's taxpayers' money to Ukraine and outright telling them that Ukraine is more important than their own country's people.
Axshually, that's not true. The US is sending more money to Ukraine than all member states of the EU combined. A lot more.
But your larger point is true. Ukraine was not just a laundromat for corrupt US politicos, the rest of the western world had the feedbag on as well to various extents. NATO is a relic that serves no purpose other than to enrich politicians and military contractors and start conflicts to keep the cycle going. It should have ended when the Wall came down.
Axshually, that's not true. The US is sending more money to Ukraine than all member states of the EU combined. A lot more.
But your larger point is true. Ukraine was not just a laundromat for corrupt US politicos, the rest of the western world had the feedbag on as well to various extents. NATO is a relic that serves no purpose other than to enrich politicians and military contractors and start conflicts to keep the cycle going. It should have ended when the Wall came down.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 22, 2022 01:09 PM (ZLI7S)
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78 Both sides are playing both sides. I swear both Z and Putin are in this together. The whole thing is a charade cooked up to allow mutual saber-rattling and embezzlement of hundreds of billions of dollars.
Posted by: Elric Blade at December 22, 2022 12:15 PM (iFTx/)
It won't hold. Putin has never met a man he didn't want to kill while laughing in his face.
And maybe he'll get to do that to Zelenskyy, who knows.
Posted by: Elric Blade at December 22, 2022 12:15 PM (iFTx/)
It won't hold. Putin has never met a man he didn't want to kill while laughing in his face.
And maybe he'll get to do that to Zelenskyy, who knows.
Posted by: XTC at December 22, 2022 01:09 PM (UnA8+)
Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 22, 2022 01:09 PM (lTGtQ)
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@comment 356:
Russia started off with an invasion, which fucking failed.
-posted by Blue Hen
******
Oh yeah, the Ukes have TOTALLY kicked the Russians right out of their country. Uh huh. And soon they'll be marching to Moscow.
Get a clue.
Posted by: Bach in Black
Did not say that, you lying sack of shit.
I have said repeatedly that I was surprised that Ukraine has lasted as long as it has, and would not have survived without massive aid, much of which isn't accounted for.
Your fantasy that Russia is doing everything by design is a joke to anyone who has studied military history. It comes down to power, the ability to survive attrition and making fewer mistakes.
Russia started off with an invasion, which fucking failed.
-posted by Blue Hen
******
Oh yeah, the Ukes have TOTALLY kicked the Russians right out of their country. Uh huh. And soon they'll be marching to Moscow.
Get a clue.
Posted by: Bach in Black
Did not say that, you lying sack of shit.
I have said repeatedly that I was surprised that Ukraine has lasted as long as it has, and would not have survived without massive aid, much of which isn't accounted for.
Your fantasy that Russia is doing everything by design is a joke to anyone who has studied military history. It comes down to power, the ability to survive attrition and making fewer mistakes.
Posted by: Blue Hen at December 22, 2022 01:09 PM (5Al3g)
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That makes me sad. I read his stuff regularly.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 22, 2022 01:08 PM (m7egX)
probably why they killed him
Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 22, 2022 01:08 PM (m7egX)
probably why they killed him
Posted by: REDACTED at December 22, 2022 01:10 PM (us2H3)
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The gen x and millenials did sign up to fight forever wars to combat "terrorism".
That they were as abused as the 'Nam vets is no more their fault than it was for earlier generations of earnest dupes.
Posted by: OneEyedJack
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Thank you.
That they were as abused as the 'Nam vets is no more their fault than it was for earlier generations of earnest dupes.
Posted by: OneEyedJack
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Thank you.
Posted by: SMH at what's coming at December 22, 2022 01:10 PM (/yIga)
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It's almost as if Zelensky had some sort of control over Biden and his cronies. Something in the form of blackmail material.
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Yep, and this is why I am 50-50 on whether he and Putin are the Hulk Hogan and Iron Sheik in all of this, just playing a role and cashing the checks.
Like the "homeless" industry, fixing it stops the money. Slow rolling it keeps the billions coming in.
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Yep, and this is why I am 50-50 on whether he and Putin are the Hulk Hogan and Iron Sheik in all of this, just playing a role and cashing the checks.
Like the "homeless" industry, fixing it stops the money. Slow rolling it keeps the billions coming in.
Posted by: Change Your Socks Regularly at December 22, 2022 01:10 PM (v3mBl)
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It occurs to me one of the most momentous events this century was when Obama overthrew the Uke government - right up there with 9/11 and the Steal 2020.
And unlike the other two no one really paid much attention at the time.
And unlike the other two no one really paid much attention at the time.
Posted by: 18-1 at December 22, 2022 01:10 PM (lc5cP)
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Jim Fixx. Famous jogger/runner. In tremendous shape. Drops dead of a massive heart attack at 52 while running.
Posted by: Irony. It's what's for dinner. at December 22, 2022 01:06 PM (s2na+)
Genetics, also long-term smoker and formerly obese. Probably also had diabetes.
Posted by: Irony. It's what's for dinner. at December 22, 2022 01:06 PM (s2na+)
Genetics, also long-term smoker and formerly obese. Probably also had diabetes.
Posted by: Ordinary American at December 22, 2022 01:10 PM (H8QX8)
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So much for the 'smart military blog'.
Posted by: Blue Hen
Not too bright, are you?
Posted by: Thomas Paine
I'm brighter than you are honest, but that's not saying much.
Posted by: Blue Hen
Not too bright, are you?
Posted by: Thomas Paine
I'm brighter than you are honest, but that's not saying much.
Posted by: Blue Hen at December 22, 2022 01:10 PM (5Al3g)
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At least the Europeans seem to have figured out the scam.
Posted by: Thomas Paine
Nah. They just realized that the gullible and corrupt US Congress was willing to shovel greenbacks at the Ukes, so they didn't have to incur any financial pain to counter the Russian bear.
Just like the last 70 years of European defense spending history. Europe is willing to fight the bear down to the last US dollar and US soldier.
At least the Europeans seem to have figured out the scam.
Posted by: Thomas Paine
Nah. They just realized that the gullible and corrupt US Congress was willing to shovel greenbacks at the Ukes, so they didn't have to incur any financial pain to counter the Russian bear.
Just like the last 70 years of European defense spending history. Europe is willing to fight the bear down to the last US dollar and US soldier.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 22, 2022 01:10 PM (n+4am)
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Imagine how much money Zelensky could have cadged if he'd declared he was transgendering? He's a piker.
Chopping off his dick would remove his only known talent, playing the piano with it.
Chopping off his dick would remove his only known talent, playing the piano with it.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 22, 2022 01:10 PM (D1n1Q)
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I still want someone to advance a convincing argument as to why I should care whether the area of the Ukraine is controlled by Ukrainian oligarchs or Russian oligarchs.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 22, 2022 01:10 PM (yQpMk)
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Even the Uke's Ministry of Defense admits they're at a 6 to 1 major disadvantage when it comes to artillery fire in fire in Bakmut.
Why is Bakmut important? Because that's where Ukraine is putting it's major effort. All of Ukraine's other
"offenses" have ground to a halt.
And even the Pentagon admits that Russia is slowly crushing Ukrainian forces in Bakmut.
Even the Uke's Ministry of Defense admits they're at a 6 to 1 major disadvantage when it comes to artillery fire in fire in Bakmut.
Why is Bakmut important? Because that's where Ukraine is putting it's major effort. All of Ukraine's other
"offenses" have ground to a halt.
And even the Pentagon admits that Russia is slowly crushing Ukrainian forces in Bakmut.
Posted by: Bach in Black at December 22, 2022 01:10 PM (7ubmG)
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Although our politicians are stealing most of this Aid Money outright, we are still paying Pres. Cannonfodder to slaughter Ukrainians for George Soros' Mad Dream of Empire.
You are witnessing the Final Days of this Beast Regime, praise God!
Proverbs 13:22
The good man shall give inheritance unto his children’s children: and the riches of the sinner is laid up for the just.
Amen!
You are witnessing the Final Days of this Beast Regime, praise God!
Proverbs 13:22
The good man shall give inheritance unto his children’s children: and the riches of the sinner is laid up for the just.
Amen!
Posted by: The Gipper Lives at December 22, 2022 01:11 PM (Ndje9)
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The NASDAQ is on its way to a 4% drop.
Today.
The Zelinsky speech is not being well-received. Oh, except by the staffers in Mitch McConnell's social media boom-boom room.
Today.
The Zelinsky speech is not being well-received. Oh, except by the staffers in Mitch McConnell's social media boom-boom room.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 22, 2022 01:11 PM (m7egX)
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436 78 Both sides are playing both sides. I swear both Z and Putin are in this together. The whole thing is a charade cooked up to allow mutual saber-rattling and embezzlement of hundreds of billions of dollars.
Posted by: Elric Blade at December 22, 2022 12:15 PM (iFTx/)
It won't hold. Putin has never met a man he didn't want to kill while laughing in his face.
And maybe he'll get to do that to Zelenskyy, who knows.
Posted by: XTC at December 22, 2022 01:09 PM (UnA8+)
_________________
Fine by me
Posted by: Elric Blade at December 22, 2022 12:15 PM (iFTx/)
It won't hold. Putin has never met a man he didn't want to kill while laughing in his face.
And maybe he'll get to do that to Zelenskyy, who knows.
Posted by: XTC at December 22, 2022 01:09 PM (UnA8+)
_________________
Fine by me
Posted by: Elric Blade at December 22, 2022 01:11 PM (iFTx/)
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Former Broncos running back Ronnie Hillman died at 31. It was cancer. But my first thought was clot shot. Happening way too often for it to be a coincidence. Still, sad to hear of his passing. RIP
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gen X Ne'er-Do-Well at December 22, 2022 01:11 PM (UQUAY)
453
401 392 I do that when I see Shrub's book 'Decision Points', which I also paid cash money for. I keep it as a reminder to myself.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at December 22, 2022 01:02 PM (V6f9+)
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A reminder regarding the general dullness of political memoirs.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at December 22, 2022 01:03 PM (veXAq)
A reminder of my shame in supporting him.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at December 22, 2022 01:02 PM (V6f9+)
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A reminder regarding the general dullness of political memoirs.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at December 22, 2022 01:03 PM (veXAq)
A reminder of my shame in supporting him.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at December 22, 2022 01:12 PM (V6f9+)
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Compelling folks to military service is right up there in my book. Yet, some still bump their gums about how Conscription will make men out of boys.
In a nation of free citizens, you just stack up the guns and uniforms. If it's a clear and present danger, a draft is not necessary.
Posted by: Blues Junior at December 22, 2022 01:09 PM (5YnnZ)
I agree.
In a nation of free citizens, you just stack up the guns and uniforms. If it's a clear and present danger, a draft is not necessary.
Posted by: Blues Junior at December 22, 2022 01:09 PM (5YnnZ)
I agree.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at December 22, 2022 01:12 PM (zZu0s)
455
Why is Bakmut important? Because that's where Ukraine is putting it's major effort.
Russia has a superior tactical position around Bakmut, and is using the Verdun strategy of putting the Ukrainians through the meat grinder.
Ukraine won't do a tactical withdrawal from Bakmut for prestige reasons.
Russia has a superior tactical position around Bakmut, and is using the Verdun strategy of putting the Ukrainians through the meat grinder.
Ukraine won't do a tactical withdrawal from Bakmut for prestige reasons.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 22, 2022 01:12 PM (KCOCK)
456
Jim Fixx. Famous jogger/runner. In tremendous shape. Drops dead of a massive heart attack at 52 while running.
Posted by: Irony. It's what's for dinner. at December 22, 2022 01:06 PM (s2na+)
Killer cholesterol. Both his father and grandfather died in their 30s. So one could argue that for a year of total running time, he bought 20 years more life.
Posted by: Irony. It's what's for dinner. at December 22, 2022 01:06 PM (s2na+)
Killer cholesterol. Both his father and grandfather died in their 30s. So one could argue that for a year of total running time, he bought 20 years more life.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 22, 2022 01:12 PM (yQpMk)
457
I just want to say that I think Biden is stage managing this.
Zelelensky seems to be a very dim bulb, but he would never show up in a t-shirt without some protocol approval by Biden. I suspect biden is jealous of the other world leaders who actually went o Ukraine.
I think most of what Z is saying may be pre-approved or even written by the biden team
Zelelensky seems to be a very dim bulb, but he would never show up in a t-shirt without some protocol approval by Biden. I suspect biden is jealous of the other world leaders who actually went o Ukraine.
I think most of what Z is saying may be pre-approved or even written by the biden team
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at December 22, 2022 01:12 PM (17+P3)
458
Zelensky is merely the guy in charge of the laundromat. He doesn't give a shit about Ukraine or Ukrainians. Russia is doing their best to create a second front by encouraging and supporting disruption in places like the Balkans and Slovakia. They don't need to commit their own troops . Yet.
Posted by: Sock Monkey * Ungovernable at December 22, 2022 01:13 PM (KPPKS)
459
I'm brighter than you are honest, but that's not saying much.
Posted by: Blue Hen at December 22, 2022 01:10 PM (5Al3g)
why don't you go somewhere else to make your 2 into 4
Posted by: Blue Hen at December 22, 2022 01:10 PM (5Al3g)
why don't you go somewhere else to make your 2 into 4
Posted by: REDACTED at December 22, 2022 01:13 PM (us2H3)
460
Former Broncos running back Ronnie Hillman died at 31. It was cancer. But my first thought was clot shot.
A friend of mine got diagnosed with cancer a few months after getting the clot shot. It responded to treatment though...
She went in for a check up...after getting a booster...and found the cancer had grown beyond anything the oncologist had seen before and it killed her not long after.
Coincidental? Well maybe, but a whole lot of people seem to have gotten incredibly aggressive cancers after being clot shotted...
A friend of mine got diagnosed with cancer a few months after getting the clot shot. It responded to treatment though...
She went in for a check up...after getting a booster...and found the cancer had grown beyond anything the oncologist had seen before and it killed her not long after.
Coincidental? Well maybe, but a whole lot of people seem to have gotten incredibly aggressive cancers after being clot shotted...
Posted by: 18-1 at December 22, 2022 01:14 PM (lc5cP)
461
I still want someone to advance a convincing argument as to why I should care whether the area of the Ukraine is controlled by Ukrainian oligarchs or Russian oligarchs.
Posted by: G'rump928(c)
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It reminds me a LOT of the whole post-9/11 "if you don't let us ______ then the terrorists win!!!"
Posted by: G'rump928(c)
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It reminds me a LOT of the whole post-9/11 "if you don't let us ______ then the terrorists win!!!"
Posted by: Change Your Socks Regularly at December 22, 2022 01:14 PM (v3mBl)
462
451 Fine by me
Posted by: Elric Blade at December 22, 2022 01:11 PM (iFTx/)
Well, yeah.
The Smart Military Blog has been pro-Putin since the days of Uncle Palp.
Posted by: Elric Blade at December 22, 2022 01:11 PM (iFTx/)
Well, yeah.
The Smart Military Blog has been pro-Putin since the days of Uncle Palp.
Posted by: XTC at December 22, 2022 01:14 PM (UnA8+)
463
One more thing
Ukraine is going to lose this. It would be smart to lose it before we double the national debt.
Ukraine is going to lose this. It would be smart to lose it before we double the national debt.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at December 22, 2022 01:15 PM (17+P3)
464
I agree.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at December 22, 2022 01:12 PM (zZu0s)
We agree on a bunch, honestly. I'd pay the bar tab. Name the spot. Being self-employed, I kinda' get to set my own hours. I work for a real prick, though.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at December 22, 2022 01:12 PM (zZu0s)
We agree on a bunch, honestly. I'd pay the bar tab. Name the spot. Being self-employed, I kinda' get to set my own hours. I work for a real prick, though.
Posted by: Blues Junior at December 22, 2022 01:15 PM (5YnnZ)
465
When you're times up, it's up. That goes for people and for nations, it seems.
Still, I do admire those who fight rather than those who just complain.
The Stoics had a lot of truth, if not a lot of hope.
Still, I do admire those who fight rather than those who just complain.
The Stoics had a lot of truth, if not a lot of hope.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at December 22, 2022 01:15 PM (V6f9+)
466
you'll know when the war is about to end
Putin will bring in jis heavy bombers to give the US more to clean up
Putin will bring in jis heavy bombers to give the US more to clean up
Posted by: REDACTED at December 22, 2022 01:15 PM (us2H3)
467
@comment 356:
Russia started off with an invasion, which fucking failed.
-posted by Blue (Chicken Hawk) Hen
Did not say that, you lying sack of shit.
- Ironically posted by Blue (Chicken Hawk) Hen @ comment # 438.
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I copied BOTH comments from your post, you sad clown.
Anyone who wants to look back at your comment #356 can see who the lying sack is. (Hint: take a look in the mirror.)
Good luck pretending to be all honest and whatnot, Chicken Hawk.
@comment 356:
Russia started off with an invasion, which fucking failed.
-posted by Blue (Chicken Hawk) Hen
Did not say that, you lying sack of shit.
- Ironically posted by Blue (Chicken Hawk) Hen @ comment # 438.
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I copied BOTH comments from your post, you sad clown.
Anyone who wants to look back at your comment #356 can see who the lying sack is. (Hint: take a look in the mirror.)
Good luck pretending to be all honest and whatnot, Chicken Hawk.
Posted by: Bach in Black at December 22, 2022 01:15 PM (7ubmG)
468
Is there still talk of Ukraine into NATO?
Posted by: davidt at December 22, 2022 01:15 PM (SYTee)
469
Ukraine is going to lose this. It would be smart to lose it before we double the national debt.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest
That is the essential point.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest
That is the essential point.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 22, 2022 01:16 PM (lTGtQ)
470
Putin will bring in jis heavy bombers to give the US more to clean up
If he was smarter he’d be sending in cyber security guys to get all the blackmail material that’s stacked up like cordwood inside servers in Kiev.
If he was smarter he’d be sending in cyber security guys to get all the blackmail material that’s stacked up like cordwood inside servers in Kiev.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 22, 2022 01:16 PM (D1n1Q)
471
>>The Smart Military Blog has been pro-Putin since the days of Uncle Palp.
It's entirely possible to not like Putin and not like Zelensky at the same time. I know because I don't like either one of them.
I'm pro-USA. We don't have a dog in this fight and should not have helped start it. I don't like most of our political class either.
It's entirely possible to not like Putin and not like Zelensky at the same time. I know because I don't like either one of them.
I'm pro-USA. We don't have a dog in this fight and should not have helped start it. I don't like most of our political class either.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 22, 2022 01:16 PM (ZLI7S)
472
Zelensky is the type who would fuck you in the ass, and not have the common courtesy of a reach around.
Zelensky is the type who would fuck you in the ass, and not have the common courtesy of a reach around.
Posted by: Sgt Hartman at December 22, 2022 01:16 PM (+oR7L)
473
462 451 Fine by me
Posted by: Elric Blade at December 22, 2022 01:11 PM (iFTx/)
Well, yeah.
The Smart Military Blog has been pro-Putin since the days of Uncle Palp.
Posted by: XTC at December 22, 2022 01:14 PM (UnA8+)
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I'm not pro-Putin. But Zelenskyy is a corrupt cocksucker, and wannabe Putin, who should fight his own wars and leave my money out of it. I don't give a shit who wins the war. Not my circus, not my monkeys.
Posted by: Elric Blade at December 22, 2022 01:11 PM (iFTx/)
Well, yeah.
The Smart Military Blog has been pro-Putin since the days of Uncle Palp.
Posted by: XTC at December 22, 2022 01:14 PM (UnA8+)
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I'm not pro-Putin. But Zelenskyy is a corrupt cocksucker, and wannabe Putin, who should fight his own wars and leave my money out of it. I don't give a shit who wins the war. Not my circus, not my monkeys.
Posted by: Elric Blade at December 22, 2022 01:17 PM (iFTx/)
474
Why is Bakmut important? Because that's where Ukraine is putting it's major effort.
Russia has a superior tactical position around Bakmut, and is using the Verdun strategy of putting the Ukrainians through the meat grinder.
Ukraine won't do a tactical withdrawal from Bakmut for prestige reasons.
Posted by: The ARC of History!
One of the fears during the cold war was that the West German government would attempt to hold onto ground in the Federal republic instead of falling back with other NATO forces.
A case can be made for ceding territory everywhere, but it also begs the question; if they do cede ground, cannot Russia replicate the attrition killing ground elsewhere/farther west? An invasion by degrees is still an invasion.
Russia has a superior tactical position around Bakmut, and is using the Verdun strategy of putting the Ukrainians through the meat grinder.
Ukraine won't do a tactical withdrawal from Bakmut for prestige reasons.
Posted by: The ARC of History!
One of the fears during the cold war was that the West German government would attempt to hold onto ground in the Federal republic instead of falling back with other NATO forces.
A case can be made for ceding territory everywhere, but it also begs the question; if they do cede ground, cannot Russia replicate the attrition killing ground elsewhere/farther west? An invasion by degrees is still an invasion.
Posted by: Blue Hen at December 22, 2022 01:17 PM (5Al3g)
475
470 Posted by: Ian S. at December 22, 2022 01:16 PM (D1n1Q)
He could obliterate NATO if he showed subtlety in leaking the Kompromat through a third party nation.
He could obliterate NATO if he showed subtlety in leaking the Kompromat through a third party nation.
Posted by: sven at December 22, 2022 01:17 PM (Lzpvj)
476
Putin will bring in jis heavy bombers to give the US more to clean up
Posted by: REDACTED
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This is a man wise in the ways of war.
Posted by: REDACTED
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This is a man wise in the ways of war.
Posted by: Change Your Socks Regularly at December 22, 2022 01:17 PM (v3mBl)
477
448
Even the Uke's Ministry of Defense admits they're at a 6 to 1 major disadvantage when it comes to artillery fire in fire in Bakmut.
Why is Bakmut important? Because that's where Ukraine is putting it's major effort. All of Ukraine's other
"offenses" have ground to a halt.
And even the Pentagon admits that Russia is slowly crushing Ukrainian forces in Bakmut.
Posted by: Bach in Black
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That is overstated and somewhat ridiculous. Essentially Bakmut is a worthless town that the Russians want as part of capturing the rest of the oblast. The Ukrainians are conducting attrition of Russian forces so you get something like Verdun-a symbol rather than any strategic importance.
Right now, no one really has a clue outside of perhaps classified military reports what the attrition ratio is and even where the lines are but like WWI, advances are being measured in meters, not km.
By the way, the winter freeze is what all sides are waiting for as General Mud makes conducting operations off road pretty much impossible until frozen or dried off in the early summer.
Even the Uke's Ministry of Defense admits they're at a 6 to 1 major disadvantage when it comes to artillery fire in fire in Bakmut.
Why is Bakmut important? Because that's where Ukraine is putting it's major effort. All of Ukraine's other
"offenses" have ground to a halt.
And even the Pentagon admits that Russia is slowly crushing Ukrainian forces in Bakmut.
Posted by: Bach in Black
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That is overstated and somewhat ridiculous. Essentially Bakmut is a worthless town that the Russians want as part of capturing the rest of the oblast. The Ukrainians are conducting attrition of Russian forces so you get something like Verdun-a symbol rather than any strategic importance.
Right now, no one really has a clue outside of perhaps classified military reports what the attrition ratio is and even where the lines are but like WWI, advances are being measured in meters, not km.
By the way, the winter freeze is what all sides are waiting for as General Mud makes conducting operations off road pretty much impossible until frozen or dried off in the early summer.
Posted by: whig at December 22, 2022 01:17 PM (bDjBG)
478
126 Remember when being the last man to die in a war in Vietnam was a thing?
It isn't wrong. But that being said, I'm sure the devil has a whole playground devoted to John Kerry shuffling off into the infinite.
It isn't wrong. But that being said, I'm sure the devil has a whole playground devoted to John Kerry shuffling off into the infinite.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at December 22, 2022 01:18 PM (44ww/)
479
Compelling folks to military service is right up there in my book. Yet, some still bump their gums about how Conscription will make men out of boys.
In a nation of free citizens, you just stack up the guns and uniforms. If it's a clear and present danger, a draft is not necessary.
Posted by: Blues Junior at December 22, 2022 01:09 PM (5YnnZ)
All out war ALWAYS brings conscription. It's the nature of war.
In a nation of free citizens, you just stack up the guns and uniforms. If it's a clear and present danger, a draft is not necessary.
Posted by: Blues Junior at December 22, 2022 01:09 PM (5YnnZ)
All out war ALWAYS brings conscription. It's the nature of war.
Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at December 22, 2022 01:18 PM (BdMk6)
480
This little girl got stuck in a claw machine after her sister convinced her to climb in and steal some stuffed animals
https://bit.ly/3PLNq5Q
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There may be a moral in there somewhere.
https://bit.ly/3PLNq5Q
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There may be a moral in there somewhere.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 22, 2022 01:18 PM (FVME7)
481
We call OURSELVES the Moron Horde. Moose out front shoulda told ya.
If you can step over that low bar, it still does not make you fucking Richard Feynman.
If you can step over that low bar, it still does not make you fucking Richard Feynman.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at December 22, 2022 01:18 PM (zZu0s)
482
Wow-weee. That's the thorn in the rose? That's the achilles heel that gets shitpants done criticism?
He doesn't Support Current Thing enough to give Z every piece of military hardware we got?
Haha. Lawl.
He doesn't Support Current Thing enough to give Z every piece of military hardware we got?
Haha. Lawl.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 22, 2022 01:18 PM (9UlRk)
483
The Smart Military Blog has been pro-Putin since the days of Uncle Palp.
I'm so old I remember when the FNM told me that supporting AQ/the Taliban and wishing they'd killed red state Americans instead of New Yorkers was officially not "pro-jihadi".
I'm so old I remember when the FNM told me that supporting AQ/the Taliban and wishing they'd killed red state Americans instead of New Yorkers was officially not "pro-jihadi".
Posted by: 18-1 at December 22, 2022 01:18 PM (lc5cP)
484
nood Caroline Ellison
Posted by: SMH at what's coming at December 22, 2022 01:19 PM (lTC1F)
485
It's entirely possible to not like Putin and not like Zelensky at the same time. I know because I don't like either one of them.
Jack, you just hit on something that I've noticed in common culture. There is an absolute drive - by most people - to be "right" or "wrong" on every damn issue.
The concept of both sides being wrong, or picking between "bad" and "worse" ... escapes at least half of everyone I know.
Jack, you just hit on something that I've noticed in common culture. There is an absolute drive - by most people - to be "right" or "wrong" on every damn issue.
The concept of both sides being wrong, or picking between "bad" and "worse" ... escapes at least half of everyone I know.
Posted by: Blues Junior at December 22, 2022 01:19 PM (5YnnZ)
486
The Smart Military Blog has been pro-Putin since the days of Uncle Palp.
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To put it in football terms:
It's Tennessee vs. Auburn. I'm not "pro" anyone. Matter of fact, I'll laugh equally when the stadium catches on fire or the fans start throwing mustard bottles. F*ck 'em both.
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To put it in football terms:
It's Tennessee vs. Auburn. I'm not "pro" anyone. Matter of fact, I'll laugh equally when the stadium catches on fire or the fans start throwing mustard bottles. F*ck 'em both.
Posted by: Change Your Socks Regularly at December 22, 2022 01:19 PM (v3mBl)
Posted by: JackStraw at December 22, 2022 01:19 PM (ZLI7S)
488
Nood, Bankman's Squirrel-Girl chick is going to testify against him.
Posted by: Thrawn at December 22, 2022 01:20 PM (9ewTg)
489
Between a decade of "virtual reality," phony baloney jobs performed without any tangible connection to reality, lack of connection to nature, numbing levels of creature comfort and convenience, and the progressive habit of wishing reality into being, our current progressive leaders in the Democrats are a leadership generation uniquely devoid of a sense of reality.
So they poke the bear by waging an ever escalating proxy war, ignore the potential for miscommunications, accidents by forces on high alert, potential expansion of conflict to NATO countries and generally ignore the potential for blundering into a hot war with Russia. Insane.
Between a decade of "virtual reality," phony baloney jobs performed without any tangible connection to reality, lack of connection to nature, numbing levels of creature comfort and convenience, and the progressive habit of wishing reality into being, our current progressive leaders in the Democrats are a leadership generation uniquely devoid of a sense of reality.
So they poke the bear by waging an ever escalating proxy war, ignore the potential for miscommunications, accidents by forces on high alert, potential expansion of conflict to NATO countries and generally ignore the potential for blundering into a hot war with Russia. Insane.
Posted by: Zek at December 22, 2022 01:20 PM (5FPX4)
490
Nood. Creepy bitch.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at December 22, 2022 01:20 PM (zZu0s)
491
A case can be made for ceding territory everywhere, but it also begs the question; if they do cede ground, cannot Russia replicate the attrition killing ground elsewhere/farther west? An invasion by degrees is still an invasion.
You can straighten your lines out, and reduce casualties.
Russia has a new commanding general in Ukraine - the first thing he did was withdraw from Kherson to a more defensible line.
You can straighten your lines out, and reduce casualties.
Russia has a new commanding general in Ukraine - the first thing he did was withdraw from Kherson to a more defensible line.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 22, 2022 01:20 PM (KCOCK)
492
So long as we're on the side of guys banning opposition parties, closing churches, and practicing ethnic cleansing while openly practicing Nazism.
In all seriousness, why would anyone think this is bothersome to the U.S. government(s)? Our own government(s) effectively closed churches over a bad flu and harasses them with legislation and regulation, is engaged in tribalist messaging all the time, and is doing everything in its power to subvert free speech. The only reason opposition parties are not outlawed is because the two existing ones are essentially aligned on all major issues and have a total lock on the electorate.
In all seriousness, why would anyone think this is bothersome to the U.S. government(s)? Our own government(s) effectively closed churches over a bad flu and harasses them with legislation and regulation, is engaged in tribalist messaging all the time, and is doing everything in its power to subvert free speech. The only reason opposition parties are not outlawed is because the two existing ones are essentially aligned on all major issues and have a total lock on the electorate.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at December 22, 2022 01:21 PM (KFhLj)
493
471 Posted by: JackStraw at December 22, 2022 01:16 PM (ZLI7S)
Quite, somehow the GOP has decided to show the democrats how to properly fuck a beehive that Barry O'Bammy color revolutioned.
The best outcome of this conflict from my point of view would be both Ukraine and Russia left fallow.
The Ukies are the GloboHomo laundry and Russia is well Russia....
of course in an ideal world we would have allied with Russia as a hedge against Sino domination.
Quite, somehow the GOP has decided to show the democrats how to properly fuck a beehive that Barry O'Bammy color revolutioned.
The best outcome of this conflict from my point of view would be both Ukraine and Russia left fallow.
The Ukies are the GloboHomo laundry and Russia is well Russia....
of course in an ideal world we would have allied with Russia as a hedge against Sino domination.
Posted by: sven at December 22, 2022 01:21 PM (Lzpvj)
494
The good man shall give inheritance unto his children’s children: and the riches of the sinner is laid up for the just.
Amen!
Posted by: The Gipper Lives at December 22, 2022 01:11 PM (Ndje9)
Uh, no. The sinners steal the riches of the good man so his children and children's children will have no inheritance.
The good man shall give inheritance unto his children’s children: and the riches of the sinner is laid up for the just.
Amen!
Posted by: The Gipper Lives at December 22, 2022 01:11 PM (Ndje9)
Uh, no. The sinners steal the riches of the good man so his children and children's children will have no inheritance.
Posted by: It's a nice notion, but it ain't reality at December 22, 2022 01:21 PM (s2na+)
495
December 20, 2022
"Ukraine is accelerating efforts to erase the vestiges of Soviet and Russian influence from its public spaces by pulling down monuments and renaming hundreds of streets to honor its own artists, poets, soldiers, independence leaders and others — including heroes of this year’s war."
https://tinyurl.com/mefa6fvc
Everything is fine, though. The ethnic cleansing is completely unrelated.
December 20, 2022
"Ukraine is accelerating efforts to erase the vestiges of Soviet and Russian influence from its public spaces by pulling down monuments and renaming hundreds of streets to honor its own artists, poets, soldiers, independence leaders and others — including heroes of this year’s war."
https://tinyurl.com/mefa6fvc
Everything is fine, though. The ethnic cleansing is completely unrelated.
Posted by: Change Your Socks Regularly at December 22, 2022 01:22 PM (v3mBl)
496
Oh yeah, the Ukes have TOTALLY kicked the Russians right out of their country. Uh huh. And soon they'll be marching to Moscow.
Get a clue.
Posted by: Bach in Black
Did not say that, you lying sack of shit.
You made the bullshit claim. I never said that the Ukrainians are driving on Moscow.
This is what I said in post #356.
Ukraine somehow still exists, which surprises me, cause I thought that the size and capabilities disparity would be crucial.
Now Ukraine has regained some ground, but still lack the capability to regain more or to avoid casualties holding what is has.
Why people feel the need/desire to lie about any of this is bizarre.
Get a clue.
Posted by: Bach in Black
Did not say that, you lying sack of shit.
You made the bullshit claim. I never said that the Ukrainians are driving on Moscow.
This is what I said in post #356.
Ukraine somehow still exists, which surprises me, cause I thought that the size and capabilities disparity would be crucial.
Now Ukraine has regained some ground, but still lack the capability to regain more or to avoid casualties holding what is has.
Why people feel the need/desire to lie about any of this is bizarre.
Posted by: Blue Hen at December 22, 2022 01:22 PM (5Al3g)
497
Jack, you just hit on something that I've noticed in common culture. There is an absolute drive - by most people - to be "right" or "wrong" on every damn issue.
You see it in dash cam videos too. People total their car out in an easily avoidable accident and then crow that the police found them in the right.
You see it in dash cam videos too. People total their car out in an easily avoidable accident and then crow that the police found them in the right.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 22, 2022 01:22 PM (D1n1Q)
498
471 >>The Smart Military Blog has been pro-Putin since the days of Uncle Palp.
It's entirely possible to not like Putin and not like Zelensky at the same time. I know because I don't like either one of them.
I'm pro-USA. We don't have a dog in this fight and should not have helped start it. I don't like most of our political class either.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 22, 2022 01:16 PM (ZLI7S)
As I've said, there are no good guys in this war....and that includes the US.
It's entirely possible to not like Putin and not like Zelensky at the same time. I know because I don't like either one of them.
I'm pro-USA. We don't have a dog in this fight and should not have helped start it. I don't like most of our political class either.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 22, 2022 01:16 PM (ZLI7S)
As I've said, there are no good guys in this war....and that includes the US.
Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at December 22, 2022 01:22 PM (BdMk6)
499
477
Bakmut is a major transportation hub for Uke forces and essential for any hope of holding the front line against Russian forces. When it falls (and it will), the Ukes will continue to suffer loss after devastating loss.
If it was an unimportant position, the Ukes wouldn't be putting so many resources into it.
They're desperate to hold it. The Russians are patiently squeezing it.
Bakmut is a major transportation hub for Uke forces and essential for any hope of holding the front line against Russian forces. When it falls (and it will), the Ukes will continue to suffer loss after devastating loss.
If it was an unimportant position, the Ukes wouldn't be putting so many resources into it.
They're desperate to hold it. The Russians are patiently squeezing it.
Posted by: Bach in Black at December 22, 2022 01:23 PM (7ubmG)
500
An isolated Kansas farm?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at December 22, 2022 12:37 PM (veXAq)
The Ozarks - lots and lots of small farms in the Ozarks.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at December 22, 2022 12:37 PM (veXAq)
The Ozarks - lots and lots of small farms in the Ozarks.
Posted by: Boswell at December 22, 2022 01:25 PM (+Cgut)
Posted by: banana Dream at December 22, 2022 01:25 PM (I8nLU)
502
496 Checkmate Chicken Hawk Blue Hen.
Don't bother with your sad lying revisionism. You and your deceitful comments are simply boring now.
Why would you think that anyone will bother caring about what you say now?
Go lie to a mirror. - It might believe you.
Don't bother with your sad lying revisionism. You and your deceitful comments are simply boring now.
Why would you think that anyone will bother caring about what you say now?
Go lie to a mirror. - It might believe you.
Posted by: Bach in Black at December 22, 2022 01:26 PM (7ubmG)
503
The GOP is fucking embarrassing, dangerous, and actively supporting policy that is completely contrary to our founding. Like Ace, I'm done. They've purposefully guaranteed themselves relegation to the also-ran party. It's this simple: GOP supporters are officialy members of the Nazi supporting forever-war corporatists party.
Posted by: MikeN at December 22, 2022 01:26 PM (itmCs)
504
I'm pro-USA. We don't have a dog in this fight and should not have helped start it. I don't like most of our political class either.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 22, 2022 01:16 PM (ZLI7S)
And shit like this is why, although we argue every damn thread, I think Jack would be one Hell of a neighbor.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 22, 2022 01:16 PM (ZLI7S)
And shit like this is why, although we argue every damn thread, I think Jack would be one Hell of a neighbor.
Posted by: Blues Junior at December 22, 2022 01:28 PM (5YnnZ)
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Everything in the media regarding Ukraine is bullshit, and most of the stuff about Russia.
Apparently Russian consumers have it much better than Americans, based on tourists visiting stores. Don't know about the Euros and can't say that I care much.
Apparently Russian consumers have it much better than Americans, based on tourists visiting stores. Don't know about the Euros and can't say that I care much.
Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at December 22, 2022 01:30 PM (Mzdiz)
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Bakmut is a major transportation hub for Uke forces and essential for any hope of holding the front line against Russian forces. When it falls (and it will), the Ukes will continue to suffer loss after devastating loss.
If it was an unimportant position, the Ukes wouldn't be putting so many resources into it.
They're desperate to hold it. The Russians are patiently squeezing it.
Posted by: Bach in Black
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Who told you that. Bakhmut is more advantageous to teh Russians than Ukrainians.
If it was an unimportant position, the Ukes wouldn't be putting so many resources into it.
They're desperate to hold it. The Russians are patiently squeezing it.
Posted by: Bach in Black
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Who told you that. Bakhmut is more advantageous to teh Russians than Ukrainians.
Posted by: whig at December 22, 2022 01:35 PM (bDjBG)
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Why would you think that anyone will bother caring about what you say now?
Posted by: Bach in Black at December 22, 2022 01:26 PM (7ubmG)
The irony is palpable.
Posted by: Bach in Black at December 22, 2022 01:26 PM (7ubmG)
The irony is palpable.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) knows that no one cares what he says at December 22, 2022 01:35 PM (yQpMk)
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If we're going to help them we should help them. We have thousands of surplus Abrams tanks to send them and could easily produce more than enough artillery shells.
Patriot batteries should help keep Russia from breaking their grid.
Patriot batteries should help keep Russia from breaking their grid.
Posted by: SkylerKat at December 22, 2022 01:38 PM (9TbBR)
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How much of this Ukrainian "aid" is going into the Democrat's and Republican's pockets? Besides the "big guy's" 10 percent.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 22, 2022 12:11 PM (Q4IgG)
In the first Ukraine aid package only 6 percent went to the Ukraine government. The rest went to US arms manufacturers and to Western NGOs in Ukraine.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 22, 2022 12:11 PM (Q4IgG)
In the first Ukraine aid package only 6 percent went to the Ukraine government. The rest went to US arms manufacturers and to Western NGOs in Ukraine.
Posted by: Oldcat at December 22, 2022 01:51 PM (eoQWY)
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Bakmut is a major transportation hub for Uke forces and essential for any hope of holding the front line against Russian forces. When it falls (and it will), the Ukes will continue to suffer loss after devastating loss.
If it was an unimportant position, the Ukes wouldn't be putting so many resources into it.
They're desperate to hold it. The Russians are patiently squeezing it.
Posted by: Bach in Black at December 22, 2022 01:23 PM (7ubmG)
Zelensky has issued fight to the death orders for literally every town in the DonBass. Bakmut, important or not is not special in his callous hold to the death orders.
If it was an unimportant position, the Ukes wouldn't be putting so many resources into it.
They're desperate to hold it. The Russians are patiently squeezing it.
Posted by: Bach in Black at December 22, 2022 01:23 PM (7ubmG)
Zelensky has issued fight to the death orders for literally every town in the DonBass. Bakmut, important or not is not special in his callous hold to the death orders.
Posted by: Oldcat at December 22, 2022 01:53 PM (eoQWY)
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If we're going to help them we should help them. We have thousands of surplus Abrams tanks to send them and could easily produce more than enough artillery shells.
Patriot batteries should help keep Russia from breaking their grid.
Posted by: SkylerKat at December 22, 2022 01:38 PM (9TbBR)
The one Patriot battery we are saying we are sending can possibly defend one point until the reloads run out.
The Russians are hitting targets all over the country, and the grid is already broken in many places.
Patriot batteries should help keep Russia from breaking their grid.
Posted by: SkylerKat at December 22, 2022 01:38 PM (9TbBR)
The one Patriot battery we are saying we are sending can possibly defend one point until the reloads run out.
The Russians are hitting targets all over the country, and the grid is already broken in many places.
Posted by: Oldcat at December 22, 2022 01:55 PM (eoQWY)
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A case can be made for ceding territory everywhere, but it also begs the question; if they do cede ground, cannot Russia replicate the attrition killing ground elsewhere/farther west? An invasion by degrees is still an invasion.
You can straighten your lines out, and reduce casualties.
Russia has a new commanding general in Ukraine - the first thing he did was withdraw from Kherson to a more defensible line.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 22, 2022 01:20 PM (KCOCK)
That's why the response to Russia's calls for diplomacy before the war should have been diplomacy. Russia's stated demands were not the dismembering of Ukraine then.
Now, Russia almost has to since after the war Ukraine will certainly persecute any Russian they can find in what territory they have left and the west can't be trusted to even pretend to stop it. Merkel admitted that the West negotiated in bad faith after the last war publicly.
You can straighten your lines out, and reduce casualties.
Russia has a new commanding general in Ukraine - the first thing he did was withdraw from Kherson to a more defensible line.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 22, 2022 01:20 PM (KCOCK)
That's why the response to Russia's calls for diplomacy before the war should have been diplomacy. Russia's stated demands were not the dismembering of Ukraine then.
Now, Russia almost has to since after the war Ukraine will certainly persecute any Russian they can find in what territory they have left and the west can't be trusted to even pretend to stop it. Merkel admitted that the West negotiated in bad faith after the last war publicly.
Posted by: Oldcat at December 22, 2022 01:58 PM (eoQWY)
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Lol, just perusing the language in Zelensky's speech
suggests a full on bullshit story. What, are we the equivalent
of France during the American revolution? They went broke
and endured decades of war and tumult for their troubles.
suggests a full on bullshit story. What, are we the equivalent
of France during the American revolution? They went broke
and endured decades of war and tumult for their troubles.
Posted by: observer at December 22, 2022 01:59 PM (ya9BE)
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The one Patriot battery we are saying we are sending can possibly defend one point until the reloads run out.
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Patriots are manned by American troops. We are (publicly, and not by Presidential uh-oh this time) saying American troops are entering the Uke/Russkie war.
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Patriots are manned by American troops. We are (publicly, and not by Presidential uh-oh this time) saying American troops are entering the Uke/Russkie war.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 22, 2022 02:00 PM (YMay6)
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Axshually, that's not true. The US is sending more money to Ukraine than all member states of the EU combined. A lot more.
But your larger point is true. Ukraine was not just a laundromat for corrupt US politicos, the rest of the western world had the feedbag on as well to various extents.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 22, 2022 01:09 PM
I agree. I never said they were sending as much. I stated that every single Western nation in the world is pushing the pro-Ukraine narrative and also sending their nation's taxpayer dollars to Ukraine. Not in the same amounts, of course, but the government leaders are all in lockstep with the narrative and the financial support. My point being that the support for Ukraine is not unique to the USA, it's a worldwide WEF scam involving every Western nation.
Paul Joseph Watson has been sharing updates on this all year, with one of his latest videos showing a clip of some twat in one of the European countries explicitly saying that supporting Ukraine is morally correct and she does not care what her constituents think about it. That is the same attitude shared by every Western nation leader involved in the Ukraine scam.
But your larger point is true. Ukraine was not just a laundromat for corrupt US politicos, the rest of the western world had the feedbag on as well to various extents.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 22, 2022 01:09 PM
I agree. I never said they were sending as much. I stated that every single Western nation in the world is pushing the pro-Ukraine narrative and also sending their nation's taxpayer dollars to Ukraine. Not in the same amounts, of course, but the government leaders are all in lockstep with the narrative and the financial support. My point being that the support for Ukraine is not unique to the USA, it's a worldwide WEF scam involving every Western nation.
Paul Joseph Watson has been sharing updates on this all year, with one of his latest videos showing a clip of some twat in one of the European countries explicitly saying that supporting Ukraine is morally correct and she does not care what her constituents think about it. That is the same attitude shared by every Western nation leader involved in the Ukraine scam.
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at December 22, 2022 02:03 PM (Do5/p)
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There's a reason why almost all the volunteers for the Russian army come from rural areas and non-Russian areas.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 22, 2022 01:05 PM (KCOCK)
That's true of just about every army in every nation.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 22, 2022 01:05 PM (KCOCK)
That's true of just about every army in every nation.
Posted by: Oldcat at December 22, 2022 02:07 PM (eoQWY)
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Allow me to make a case for supporting Ukraine.
In the American Revolution, the people of the US sought to throw off the chains of an imperial monarch who was actively oppressing them. This sparked a fairly bloody war. At the outset things looked very poor for the small, largely untrained and under-equipped american patriots. However, after about 2 years of fighting the americans compelled the surrender of a british force at Saratoga. This was an important win because it convinced several larger world players who were geopolitical rivals of the british to throw support behind the american patriots. /1
In the American Revolution, the people of the US sought to throw off the chains of an imperial monarch who was actively oppressing them. This sparked a fairly bloody war. At the outset things looked very poor for the small, largely untrained and under-equipped american patriots. However, after about 2 years of fighting the americans compelled the surrender of a british force at Saratoga. This was an important win because it convinced several larger world players who were geopolitical rivals of the british to throw support behind the american patriots. /1
Posted by: p.mo at December 22, 2022 02:39 PM (6Cx+M)
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In particular, the French realized they had a unique opportunity to degrade the british military and gain a measure of revenge for their losses in the French and Indian wars. They supported the americans with guns, cannons, ships, supplies, cash and quite a few men. They also put a threat on british territories elsewhere in places like the carribean, which prevented the british from focusing their army on America. French support was very much essential in allowing the americans to fight their way to victory, and France got the benefit of seriously degrading british power. /2
In particular, the French realized they had a unique opportunity to degrade the british military and gain a measure of revenge for their losses in the French and Indian wars. They supported the americans with guns, cannons, ships, supplies, cash and quite a few men. They also put a threat on british territories elsewhere in places like the carribean, which prevented the british from focusing their army on America. French support was very much essential in allowing the americans to fight their way to victory, and France got the benefit of seriously degrading british power. /2
Posted by: p.mo at December 22, 2022 02:39 PM (6Cx+M)
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The Ukraine similarities are quite similar. Ukraine broke from Russia's puppet government in 2014. In the process it sparked a war in which Russia invaded parts of Ukraine. Now, Russia is trying to regain their position of control over Ukraine (which is why Kiev was the original goal).
In the early stages of the war we gave some support, but it really wasn't expected that Ukraine would last more than a few days. But they did. And not only that they inflicted significant casualties on the invaders. This sparked further support, which has been critical in allowing Ukraine to counter-attack. /3
In the early stages of the war we gave some support, but it really wasn't expected that Ukraine would last more than a few days. But they did. And not only that they inflicted significant casualties on the invaders. This sparked further support, which has been critical in allowing Ukraine to counter-attack. /3
Posted by: p.mo at December 22, 2022 02:42 PM (6Cx+M)
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Now we're at a point where if we really throw our support behind Ukraine we'll see Russia sent packing, with their military neutered for a generation. Ukraine has a real chance of winning, just like America after Saratoga, and our support can make a difference.
Posted by: p.mo at December 22, 2022 02:44 PM (6Cx+M)
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Does my dislike of this Zelensky guy and his grift make me a Putin Puppet?
Posted by: Bea Arthur's Dick at December 22, 2022 03:17 PM (TU8Tj)
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"Allow me to make a case for supporting Ukraine."
Know how you can really support Ukraine? Get your butt over there and start fighting.
But don't use another penny of my fucking money to do it.
Know how you can really support Ukraine? Get your butt over there and start fighting.
But don't use another penny of my fucking money to do it.
Posted by: Bea Arthur's Dick at December 22, 2022 03:19 PM (TU8Tj)
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P.mo must be a lefty because it's the typical illogical comparisons.
Posted by: polynikes at December 22, 2022 03:37 PM (KLWiP)
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P.mo must be a lefty because it's the typical illogical comparisons.
Posted by: polynikes at December 22, 2022 03:37 PM (KLWiP)
I'm not even in support of what P.mo said, but jesus, if you disagree, state your fucking case as to why. Just name-calling makes you look stupid as fuck.
Posted by: polynikes at December 22, 2022 03:37 PM (KLWiP)
I'm not even in support of what P.mo said, but jesus, if you disagree, state your fucking case as to why. Just name-calling makes you look stupid as fuck.
Posted by: Goober at December 22, 2022 04:33 PM (Hgvgt)
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Oh fuck right off Zelensky. You and McConnell can go over the Bullshed and get serviced by the same guys that do David French's wife.
I'm done with all of these Chicken Hawks. Since the fall of the Berlin Wall the worst traitors to conservatism have continued to bang the drum for war, and every time conservatives say, hey, let's focus on our families, our economy, our BORDER, they say, whoa, Hitler, we are going to to over to the Dems if you don't get back in line. Fuck them all.
I'm done with all of these Chicken Hawks. Since the fall of the Berlin Wall the worst traitors to conservatism have continued to bang the drum for war, and every time conservatives say, hey, let's focus on our families, our economy, our BORDER, they say, whoa, Hitler, we are going to to over to the Dems if you don't get back in line. Fuck them all.
Posted by: John Milton's Ghost at December 22, 2022 05:40 PM (Q7+tM)
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What you're not getting is that monetary and equipment support is actually strategically advantageous without needing a single american life to be put at risk. The Ukrainians are doing you a solid, just like the patriots did for the French. All they want is better equipment to kill Russians with.
I'm certainly not banging a drum for war, I'd be pretty happy if Putin left Ukraine entirely, but since there is a war going on over there, and since it is strategically important and useful for Russia's military power to be snuffed out for at least a decade, its in america's interest to give the Ukrainians the tools to do the job for america.
I'm certainly not banging a drum for war, I'd be pretty happy if Putin left Ukraine entirely, but since there is a war going on over there, and since it is strategically important and useful for Russia's military power to be snuffed out for at least a decade, its in america's interest to give the Ukrainians the tools to do the job for america.
Posted by: P. Mo at December 23, 2022 12:06 AM (PN4ah)
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Ukrainian defence budget for 2022 ~$5 billion
USA top up - $45 billion
How much will be "lost" - many billions
USA top up - $45 billion
How much will be "lost" - many billions
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