Martha McCallum Grills John Kirby: Why Is the White House "Keeping an Eye on Twitter" While Not Even Saying a Word in Private to Apple About Actively Assisting China in Repressing Its Own People?

In case you missed it, Apple bowed to the demands of their Chinese Communist Partners and secretly deleted a key feature in Apple phones which protesters and dissidents had previously used to communicate discretely.

Apple's updates are usually very thorough about telling you exactly what they will change. But not this time -- the update, intended only for the Chinese market, omitted any mention that the "AirDrop" feature, long relied on by protesters and dissidents, would be greatly limited.

AirDrop eludes censorship/monitoring systems because, if I understand this right, AirDropped transmissions go phone-to-phone, like walkie-talkies, without having to first go to through a cell tower or the internet.

Users had no idea they'd be crippling one of the few tools they had to communicate without state monitoring when they accepted the update.

Which is the way Apple wanted it, because that's the way their Chinese Communist partners and paymasters wanted it.

A Nov. 9 software update included an additional AirDrop feature applying only to iPhones sold in mainland China.
AirDrop, which allows users to share content between Apple devices, has become an important tool in demonstrators' efforts to circumvent authoritarian censorship.
The feature relies on wireless connections between phones, rather than internet connectivity, placing it beyond the scope of internet content moderators.
Protests in China have attracted international attention as the greatest challenge of President Xi Jinping's premiership and a major knock to the Chinese Communist Party's (CCP) longstanding authority.
But their spread within China was partially hobbled by a key change in Apple
's AirDrop feature, launched just weeks before the unrest.
AirDrop, which allows users to share content between Apple devices, has become an important tool in protestors' efforts to circumvent authoritarian censorship regimes over recent years.
That is because it relies on wireless connections between phones, rather than internet connectivity, placing it beyond the scope of internet content moderators. It uses Bluetooth to form a peer-to-peer Wi-Fi network between two devices.
The tool was used widely during Hong Kong's 2019 pro-democracy protests, when demonstrators would share messages and protest literature with passers by and visitors from mainland China through AirDrop's open network.
More recently, in mid-October, AirDrop was reportedly used to disseminate messages based on banners produced by a Beijing demonstrator known as "Bridge man."
China-only software update
However, it was limited earlier this month, when a Nov. 9 update to Apple's global operating system, iOS 16.1.1, included an additional AirDrop feature applying only to iPhones sold in mainland China.
Under the update, iPhones can now only set their AirDrop to receive messages from "everyone" for 10 minutes before switching off. The other settings allow for file-sharing between "contacts only" or "receiving off."
Apple did not immediately respond to a CNBC request for comment. In an online statement, the company said the software update includes "bug fixes and security updates and is recommended for all users."

NSC spokesman John Kirby appeared on Martha MacCallum. She wanted to know why the Biden White House -- and Biden himself, in fact -- had all but declared Elon Musk a National Security Threat and ordered a Deep State probe of him because he wasn't imposing the left's totalitarian censorship regime, but had offered absolutely no criticism or government scrutiny of Apple, despite it now being officially part of the Communist China Secret Police apparatus.

He says, "Because Apple is a private company."

She responds, "Twitter is a private company, too."

He then says, "These are completely different situations," having failed in his first attempt to mark them as different situations.

He then say that Twitter must be subjected to a Deep State probe because it might have foreign investors. Note that Twitter also had foreign investors when it was imposing the left's censorship regime, and the left had no problem with foreign investment then.

Also note that Apple has a lot of foreign investors.

Martha MacCallum points out that Apple is taking orders from a foreign government here, which seems to be the very situation that this bullshit concern over "foreign investors" is aimed at preventing. That is, grumbling about foreign investors is ultimately about trying to keep a major company from being perverted by foreign powers to work their will.

But Apple is already working China's will, to help it crush an organic protest movement.

And Kirby says "But it's different!"

Because Apple is helping Biden crush his own despised internal dissident movement, of course.

Not only will he not scold Apple publicly, but he admits the White House has not even reached out to Apple privately, behind the scenes, to ask them why they are now a partner organization with the Chinese Secret Security Police.

From Twitchy.

UNFAIR TREATMENT: Martha MacCallum presses NSC's John Kirby about the different standards Apple and Twitter are being held to. pic.twitter.com/SDK8nlx35J
— Fox News (@FoxNews) November 30, 2022

Flashback:

Flashback!@Apple’s @tim_cook in 2017: “China has done an unbelievable job of lifting people out of poverty … far beyond what any country has done... we should all applaud that … And the environmental leadership today, is very clear & it aligns completely with Apple's values” pic.twitter.com/F1TW9PLVjU
— Tom Elliott (@tomselliott) November 30, 2022

"[China] aligns completely with Apple's values" — weird I've never heard him say that about American values like free speech https://t.co/M2JabLObFy
— Tom Elliott (@tomselliott) November 30, 2022

Apple and China do seem to be in perfect alignment as regards Regime censorship and state police control over the minds and words of the citizenry.

Posted by: Ace at 12:05 PM

Comments

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1 first.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at December 01, 2022 12:06 PM (uNylN)

2 Apple is Publicly Traded.

Twitter, is not.

Posted by: garrett at December 01, 2022 12:07 PM (HF1PR)

3 China has done a good job of lifting people out of poverty and then enslaving them in concentration camps.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at December 01, 2022 12:07 PM (uNylN)

4 Top 10!

Posted by: Jamaica NYC at December 01, 2022 12:07 PM (8T3Xj)

5 "Apple and China do seem to be in perfect alignment as regards Regime censorship and state police control over the minds and words of the citizenry."

Hmm...sounds kinda fasc-y. Wonder how Google is screwing over the protestors behind the scenes too.

Posted by: Thrawn at December 01, 2022 12:07 PM (Rl7KJ)

6 >>China has done a good job of lifting people out of poverty and then enslaving them in concentration camps.

Concentration Camps. Organ Farms.

Potato...Potahto.

Posted by: garrett at December 01, 2022 12:08 PM (HF1PR)

7 Kirby: Crushing the hopes and aspirations of the inconsequential is entirely in keeping with official US Government policy.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic, Ashli Babbitt/Rosanne Boyland at December 01, 2022 12:08 PM (zhLdt)

8 Why is this admin so dumb? How can they be such incredible idiots in these positions?

Posted by: Piper at December 01, 2022 12:09 PM (ZdaMQ)

9 Well, Martha, it's Granny Smith apples and Gala apples, so never mention that again.

Posted by: Admiral John Kirby at December 01, 2022 12:09 PM (dTFZY)

10 Because Leftists don't commit crimes

Posted by: Skip's phone at December 01, 2022 12:09 PM (5UbrK)

11 Hi Ace

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at December 01, 2022 12:09 PM (Y+l9t)

12 >>Why is this admin so dumb? How can they be such incredible idiots in these positions?

Expecting Politicians to be smart...

That was your first mistake.

Posted by: garrett at December 01, 2022 12:10 PM (HF1PR)

13 Twitter bans pedo shit. Biden declares them a threat.

Posted by: buzzion at December 01, 2022 12:10 PM (aRLgQ)

14 "I've got the world on a string . . ."

Posted by: Chairman Xi does karaoke at December 01, 2022 12:10 PM (lO5WT)

15 Don't expect this admin to go after any company that supports what they are doing and want to do. Twitter is off the reservation, as far as they are concerned.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 01, 2022 12:10 PM (ynpvh)

16 Tim Cook hasn't been the same since his gingerbread house burned down.

Posted by: Bourbonchicken at December 01, 2022 12:11 PM (44ww/)

17 Hi, Sharon!

Posted by: ace at December 01, 2022 12:11 PM (C1Zwz)

18 Apple is apphoe.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 01, 2022 12:11 PM (pmT/d)

19 it's nice she hammered him.

too bad no one outside of us will know about it.

and many on the left will celebrate it.

Posted by: SturmToddler at December 01, 2022 12:11 PM (nXhwP)

20 Apple and China do seem to be in perfect alignment as regards Regime censorship and state police control over the minds and words of the citizenry.

And, applying what I have said about Chik-Fil-A, if conservatives such as ourselves were really the majority in this country, we would boycott Apple, publicly burn its products and make Tim Cook's life a living hell for being an accomplice to human slavery.

But, as we are reminded ad nauseam. . ."That's not who we are."

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 01, 2022 12:11 PM (AW0uW)

21 But Apple is already working China's will, to help it crush an organic protest movement.

And Kirby says "But it's different!"

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I mean...he's right. It's very different.

Just not the way he seems to think.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at December 01, 2022 12:11 PM (LvTSG)

22 He says, "Because Apple is a private company."

She responds, "Twitter is a private company, too."

He then says, "These are completely different situations," having failed in his first attempt to mark them as different situations.
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That's a very special pleading there.

Posted by: Axeman at December 01, 2022 12:12 PM (krQz2)

23 Why is this admin so dumb? How can they be such incredible idiots in these positions?

Posted by: Piper at December 01, 2022 12:09 PM (ZdaMQ)

Their devotion to leftism blinds and negatively affects their mental abilities.

Posted by: Archer at December 01, 2022 12:12 PM (gmo/4)

24 8 Why is this admin so dumb? How can they be such incredible idiots in these positions?
Posted by: Piper at December 01, 2022 12:09 PM (ZdaMQ)

They're not dumb, they're evil and not used to pushback.

Are the Chinese still holding up the "types, deletes" signs?

Posted by: CN at December 01, 2022 12:12 PM (Zzbjj)

25 Now tell me Apple turned over all the email/text traffic between J6 protestors to the FBI or something and the day will be complete.

Posted by: its too fantastically grotesque to be believable fiction at December 01, 2022 12:12 PM (Z7Xmf)

26 Why Is the White House "Keeping an Eye on Twitter" While Not Even Saying a Word in Private to Apple About Actively Assisting China in Repressing Its Own People?

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And How About Those White House Condemnations of SBF & FTX? But nah, Musk is the real threat ...

Posted by: ShainS -- The Humiliation is Part of the Kink at December 01, 2022 12:12 PM (K3TEc)

27 I've been in situations where I was being asked questions I knew I couldn't give an intelligent answer to, so I just started thinking of intelligent-sounding words and phrases and strung them into sentences instead.

Watching Kirby respond to MacCallum's questions reminded me forcefully of those times.

Posted by: Dr. T at December 01, 2022 12:12 PM (bhRsz)

28 Why is this admin so dumb? How can they be such incredible idiots in these positions?
Posted by: Piper at December 01, 2022 12:09 PM (ZdaMQ)

feature, not a bug.

Posted by: SturmToddler at December 01, 2022 12:12 PM (nXhwP)

29 Ha! Watching this exact same story on Bongino right now. I've never cared for Apple's platforms. Chinese dissidents: don't use Apple devices. You won't miss them.

Posted by: Peel gp A Grape at December 01, 2022 12:13 PM (24fqN)

30 Our government is despicable, from the "president" down to the lowliest intern. They do nothing to stop China's human rights violations while they attack American citizens.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at December 01, 2022 12:13 PM (VWp7G)

31 You kidding?Biden is probably passing signal intel on to China to help them find protest leaders...

Posted by: steevy at December 01, 2022 12:13 PM (yezA1)

32 Slightly late because I was looking at video of the Chinese marching people off to the "quarantine" camps. They were clutching small bags of their belongings and men in head to toe medical gear keeping them in line.
I no longer wonder how they got all those people to voluntarily get in those cattle cars.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at December 01, 2022 12:13 PM (Y+l9t)

33 China has done a unbearable job locking people in their own apartments without any access to the outside of their own building

Posted by: Skip's phone at December 01, 2022 12:13 PM (5UbrK)

34 Not only will he not scold Apple publicly, but he admits the White House has not even reached out to Apple privately, behind the scenes, to ask them why they are now a partner organization with the Chinese Secret Security Police.

Why would the White House ask when the White House is also a partner organization with the Chinese Secret Security Police. Apple is a partner for the same reasons the United States federal government is a partner.

If people don't realize by now that every single institution and corporation in the United States is controlled by either the WEF, the CCP or both, I don't know what to say.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at December 01, 2022 12:13 PM (Do5/p)

35 [China] aligns completely with Apple's values

Putting Muslims in slave labor camps and harvesting the organs from still living political dissidents are Apple's values?

Huh.

Posted by: 18-1 at December 01, 2022 12:14 PM (ESjRY)

36 18 Apple is apphoe.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 01, 2022 12:11 PM (pmT/d

Lol! I nominate for threadwinner.

Posted by: Emmie at December 01, 2022 12:14 PM (Emce2)

37 China has done an unbelievable job of ~~lifting people out of poverty~~welding people into their homes.

Posted by: Axeman at December 01, 2022 12:14 PM (krQz2)

38 too bad no one outside of us will know about it.

and many on the left will celebrate it.
Posted by: SturmToddler at December 01, 2022 12:11 PM (nXhwP)

They already have. I watched the video on Twitter; a good many in the comments were saying "He did well; he stood his ground and answered her questions calmly and openly."

The NPC is strong with these jokers.

Posted by: Dr. T at December 01, 2022 12:14 PM (bhRsz)

39 35 [China] aligns completely with Apple's values

Putting Muslims in slave labor camps and harvesting the organs from still living political dissidents are Apple's values?

Huh.

Posted by: 18-1 at December 01, 2022 12:14 PM (ESjRY)

They side with China and don't seem to put any statements against those practices. Ergo, they must support it.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 01, 2022 12:15 PM (ynpvh)

40 he admits the White House has not even reached out to Apple privately, behind the scenes, to ask them why they are now a partner organization with the Chinese Secret Security Police.

How do you know we didn't and this is the result?

Posted by: John Kirby at December 01, 2022 12:15 PM (Ac9bb)

41 Don't expect this admin to go after any company that supports what they are doing and want to do. Twitter is off the reservation, as far as they are concerned.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 01, 2022 12:10 PM

Yet biden's SEC silently approved twatters sale to musk by doing nothing. They could have said nope, not a legal sale and tied musk up in court for years but they didn't.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at December 01, 2022 12:15 PM (uNylN)

42 I no longer wonder how they got all those people to voluntarily get in those cattle cars.

They can't possibly be planning to kill all of us?!?

Posted by: Some Jewish guy in Europe in the 1940s at December 01, 2022 12:15 PM (ESjRY)

43 China has what, like 1.5 billion people (read: customers) and one of the world's largest manufacturing base including specifically electronics? Even putting aside the envy the American left has for China's repressive regime, any country with that many people and that yuge a manufacturing base is gonna have corporations lining up on their hands and knees in the servicing position. I don't see any way around this, unfortunately.

Posted by: Elric Blade at December 01, 2022 12:15 PM (iFTx/)

44 "Why is this admin so dumb?"
They believe that men can get pregnant and have babies.
That isn't "dumb".
Dumb people are generally innocent of everything except being dumb.
It's willful ignorance.

Posted by: gourmand du jour, now with 50% less content at December 01, 2022 12:15 PM (jTmQV)

45 The change by Apple affects more than what's described above. According to one YouTube channel I watch that focuses on China, dissidents were using the feature to get word out about the protester who hanged anti-Xi Jumping banners in Beijing a couple of months ago ("Bannerman"). People with the Airdrop feature turned on would get a message along the lines that Xi Jinping wanted to send them a message. If they accepted the message, they'd be greeted by pictures of the banners that Bannerman put up. Because the CCP ruthlessly censored any and all news about Bannerman, this was how the dissidents spread news about what he'd done (which was unheard of). The fact that the change by Apple happened immediately after this tactic started is probably not a coincidence as requiring users to turn Airdrop back on every ten minutes blocks this tactic.

Posted by: junior at December 01, 2022 12:15 PM (8gtkW)

46 30 Our government is despicable, from the "president" down to the lowliest intern. They do nothing to stop China's human rights violations while they attack American citizens.

Yes. And they kiss ass because people like Mitt outsourced everything so that a few people could become much richer than they were.

Posted by: CN at December 01, 2022 12:16 PM (Zzbjj)

47 Why is this admin so dumb? How can they be such incredible idiots in these positions?
Posted by: Piper at December 01, 2022 12:09 PM (ZdaMQ)

Look at who their fearless leader is.

Posted by: Dr. T at December 01, 2022 12:16 PM (bhRsz)

48 Not only will he not scold Apple publicly, but he admits the White House has not even reached out to Apple privately, behind the scenes, to ask them why they are now a partner organization with the Chinese Secret Security Police.
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Why would the White House ask when the White House is also a partner organization with the Chinese Secret Security Police. Apple is a partner for the same reasons the United States federal government is a partner.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at December 01, 2022 12:13 PM (Do5/p)
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A vassal does not question their liege like that.

Posted by: Axeman at December 01, 2022 12:16 PM (krQz2)

49 Ace, that video is on Posobiec Twitter.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at December 01, 2022 12:16 PM (Y+l9t)

50 Why is this admin so dumb? How can they be such incredible idiots in these positions?
Posted by: Piper at December 01, 2022 12:09 PM (ZdaMQ)

feature, not a bug.

Posted by: SturmToddler at December 01, 2022 12:12 PM (nXhwP)
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"Feature, not bug" is exactly what Apple thinks of their update that allows censorship...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at December 01, 2022 12:16 PM (YIVH2)

51 41 Don't expect this admin to go after any company that supports what they are doing and want to do. Twitter is off the reservation, as far as they are concerned.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 01, 2022 12:10 PM

Yet biden's SEC silently approved twatters sale to musk by doing nothing. They could have said nope, not a legal sale and tied musk up in court for years but they didn't.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at December 01, 2022 12:15 PM (uNylN)

They thought they could "persuade" him to toe the party line with various threats and innuendo.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 01, 2022 12:16 PM (ynpvh)

52 >>>he admits the White House has not even reached out to Apple privately, behind the scenes, to ask them why they are now a partner organization with the Chinese Secret Security Police.

Just like when the FBI "didn't" reach out to Facebook to quell election "misinformation" in 2020.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at December 01, 2022 12:16 PM (VWp7G)

53 Chinese dissidents: don't use Apple devices. You won't miss them.
Posted by: Peel gp A Grape at December 01, 2022 12:13 PM (24fqN)

What device do you recommend, gp? Are there any smartphones that aren't tools for tyrants?

Posted by: Emmie at December 01, 2022 12:16 PM (Emce2)

54 any country with that many people and that yuge a manufacturing base is gonna have corporations lining up on their hands and knees in the servicing position.

We can, and should, be imprisoning business leaders for this.

We don't...but if we did suddenly they wouldn't want to work with the Chinese government

Posted by: 18-1 at December 01, 2022 12:17 PM (ESjRY)

55 Putting Muslims in slave labor camps and harvesting the organs from still living political dissidents are Apple's values?

To be fair, these dissidents are no long living.

Posted by: Apple, In The Condition That Got Us Kicked Out of the Garden at December 01, 2022 12:17 PM (Sv58p)

56 “France is our oldest ally. Our unwavering partner…from the spirit of Marcus de Lafayette…”

Biden, historical scholar.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 01, 2022 12:17 PM (Y5qcH)

57 Potato Joe called the Marquis de Lafayette,

"Marcus Lafayette"

Jebus what an ass.

Posted by: Archer at December 01, 2022 12:17 PM (gmo/4)

58 Liberals admire China because it is authoritarian. They are not bound by truth, principle, individual liberty, a commitment to freedom or constitution. They are not bound by Democratic process. They move and exist through the exercise of raw power, in opposition and complete trampling all those rights and factors.

Once you understand this is who Democrats and their liege admire, and are often paid by, it's not really hard to understand what's going on.

Posted by: Marcus T at December 01, 2022 12:17 PM (vBMpQ)

59 Celebrities Cut Ties With Balenciaga After MyPillow Spotted In Photo Shoot

https://tinyurl.com/ycyk4ks7

Posted by: Elric Blade at December 01, 2022 12:17 PM (iFTx/)

60 I have never owned an apple product. I avoid them like the plague.

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at December 01, 2022 12:17 PM (M+Lyo)

61 Posted by: gourmand du jour, now with 50% less content at December 01, 2022 12:15 PM (jTmQV)

It's manipulative evil. The people talking about pregnant men are not the slightest bit ignorant, they're creating new thought crimes in order to force more brutal compliance.

Posted by: CN at December 01, 2022 12:17 PM (Zzbjj)

62 Fox News...Karl Rove must live there.

Posted by: BignJames at December 01, 2022 12:17 PM (AwYPR)

63 Why is this admin so dumb? How can they be such incredible idiots in these positions?
Posted by: Piper at December 01, 2022 12:09 PM (ZdaMQ)
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There's a difference between dumb and saboteur.

Posted by: Axeman at December 01, 2022 12:18 PM (krQz2)

64 Marcus Lafayette? I think he is a linebacker for Michigan....

Posted by: steevy at December 01, 2022 12:18 PM (yezA1)

65 The Bidet administration is in bed with Beijing.

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 01, 2022 12:18 PM (kL6mt)

66 Did not realize the plug was pulled on the last thread.

Posted by: kraken at December 01, 2022 12:18 PM (Vr12I)

67
Once you understand this is who Democrats and their liege admire, and are often paid by, it's not really hard to understand what's going on.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 01, 2022 12:17 PM (vBMpQ)

Exactly. Money and power, not little sillies who are a bit confused. Until we fix our own narrative to recognize this we will fail.

Posted by: CN at December 01, 2022 12:18 PM (Zzbjj)

68 China has what, like 1.5 billion people (read: customers) and one of the world's largest manufacturing base including specifically electronics? Even putting aside the envy the American left has for China's repressive regime, any country with that many people and that yuge a manufacturing base is gonna have corporations lining up on their hands and knees in the servicing position. I don't see any way around this, unfortunately.

Posted by: Elric Blade at December 01, 2022 12:15 PM (iFTx/)
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It's a little weird how corporations go out of their way to alienate 90% of their American audiences by inserting woke garbage into their advertising, but then REMOVE that content so they can suck up to the Chinese customers that probably hate them because they are not Chinese.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at December 01, 2022 12:19 PM (YIVH2)

69 "Are there any smartphones that aren't tools for tyrants?"

Prolly not, but the other brands are at least cheaper. And they don't use little black diamonds for apostrophes.

Posted by: Peel gp A Grape at December 01, 2022 12:19 PM (24fqN)

70 I have never owned an apple product. I avoid them like the plague.
Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at December 01, 2022 12:17 PM (M+Lyo)
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I've always been technical, so "easy" never compelled me.

That doesn't mean there weren't heavy notes of coveting how easily Apples joined a network in the early network years, though!!!

Posted by: Axeman at December 01, 2022 12:19 PM (krQz2)

71 The Bidet administration is in bed with Beijing.

Separate beds. This Biden character is a mess every morning.

Posted by: CCP at December 01, 2022 12:19 PM (Sv58p)

72 To be fair, these dissidents are no long living.
Posted by: Apple, In The Condition That Got Us Kicked Out of the Garden at December 01, 2022 12:17 PM (Sv58p)

As I understood it, they're cut apart like in the Ishiguro book

Posted by: CN at December 01, 2022 12:20 PM (Zzbjj)

73 "Are there any smartphones that aren't tools for tyrants?"
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Everybody wants to rule the World.

Posted by: Axeman at December 01, 2022 12:20 PM (krQz2)

74 59 Celebrities Cut Ties With Balenciaga After MyPillow Spotted In Photo Shoot

https://tinyurl.com/ycyk4ks7
Posted by: Elric Blade at December 01, 2022 12:17 PM (iFTx/)

Looks like Balenciaga makes a necklace or bracelet with the Babylon Bee logo.

Wheels within wheels, man.

Posted by: Emmie at December 01, 2022 12:20 PM (Emce2)

75 China is a massive polluter and gets off scot free while farmers in the Netherlands are put out of business

Posted by: steevy at December 01, 2022 12:20 PM (yezA1)

76 Would be a million just like Twitter was in the Democrats Propaganda Ministry camp Apple was as well in 2020

Posted by: Skip's phone at December 01, 2022 12:20 PM (5UbrK)

77 The quest for virtuous technology always disappoints, in the end.

Posted by: kraken at December 01, 2022 12:21 PM (Vr12I)

78 Joe Biden - America's first Chinese president

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at December 01, 2022 12:21 PM (M+Lyo)

79 What is an alternative to an Apple Phone? Samsung Galaxy?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 01, 2022 12:21 PM (vH/6k)

80 The Bidet administration is in bed with Beijing.
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 01, 2022 12:18 PM (kL6mt)
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Swalwell wants to get in on that action.

Posted by: Axeman at December 01, 2022 12:21 PM (krQz2)

81 79. I have a galaxy and I am not in despair. Apple products are overvalued chichi

Posted by: CN at December 01, 2022 12:22 PM (Zzbjj)

82 And, applying what I have said about Chik-Fil-A, if conservatives such as ourselves were really the majority in this country, we would boycott Apple, publicly burn its products and make Tim Cook's life a living hell for being an accomplice to human slavery.

But, as we are reminded ad nauseam. . ."That's not who we are."
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 01, 2022 12:11 PM (AW0uW)

This is a very, very important point. The Left has no problem, for instance, paying more for an 'organic, free-trade, ethically harvested' product. If you want to do things that align with your beliefs, you'll make the appropriate sacrifices to do so. We should do the same.

At this stage in the tech revolution, there is functionally no significant sacrifice to be made when you don't use an Apple product. It's not like you're going back to the Bronze Age - at worst, you're going back to 2015. Is that so high a price to pay to stick it to the globalists? If it is, then what's the price for fighting at all?

Posted by: Darrell Harris at December 01, 2022 12:22 PM (wEQZp)

83 79 What is an alternative to an Apple Phone? Samsung Galaxy?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 01, 2022 12:21 PM (vH/6k)

Sure. They work. They all do. Cheaper. But not virtuous, really.

Posted by: kraken at December 01, 2022 12:22 PM (Vr12I)

84 >>>What is an alternative to an Apple Phone? Samsung Galaxy?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke

Yes, more or less. They sometimes have Google apps on there, but you can delete them.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at December 01, 2022 12:22 PM (VWp7G)

85 The Bidet administration is in bed with Beijing.
==
You are familiar with the contents of my laptop yes? I'd not say "in bed" so much, as well, we are down on all fours waiting for their pleasure.

Posted by: Special Advisor to the President Hunter Biden at December 01, 2022 12:22 PM (iSfZN)

86 All smart phones collect data on your location, your contacts, your texts, calls, internet searches, etc.
If they didn't, your phone wouldn't work.

Posted by: gourmand du jour, now with 50% less content at December 01, 2022 12:22 PM (jTmQV)

87 @Apple’s @tim_cook in 2017: “China has done an unbelievable job of lifting people out of poverty … far beyond what any country has done... we should all applaud that … And the environmental leadership today, is very clear & it aligns completely with Apple's values”

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Apple's values (1984): "Man is the creator of change in this world. As such he should be above systems and structures, and not subordinate to them."

Apple's Values (2011): "No ads. We build products that we want for ourselves, too, and we just don't want ads."

Apple's Values (2022): "Weld citizens into their homes and put a coal-fired plant online weekly!"

Posted by: ShainS -- The Humiliation is Part of the Kink at December 01, 2022 12:22 PM (K3TEc)

88 Frank Marshall Obama's administration doesn't hold a candle to the fucking liars in the Pants-Shitter's administration

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at December 01, 2022 12:22 PM (rJ88p)

89 "No man can be worried neither for his religion, nor for his opinions, nor for the communication of his thoughts by the word; writing or printing, unless it has disturbed the peace of the Citizens by Calumnies."

- Marquis de Lafayette, Declaration of the Rights of Man and the Citizen.

Grandpa Diddlershitmypants missed that part.

Posted by: Marcus T at December 01, 2022 12:23 PM (vBMpQ)

90 75 China is a massive polluter and gets off scot free while farmers in the Netherlands are put out of business
Posted by: steevy at December 01, 2022 12:20 PM (yezA1)

They gotta get a move on with this starvation thing.

Posted by: CN at December 01, 2022 12:23 PM (Zzbjj)

91 18 Apple is apphoe.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 01, 2022 12:11 PM (pmT/d)

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"Don't trust Apple, Apple is Asshoe."

Posted by: Seems Legit at December 01, 2022 12:23 PM (DcKNO)

92 Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 01, 2022 12:11 PM (pmT/d)

O/T
Hey Bulgaroctonus,

I left the Art thread early, but saw you had questions about Tim Horton.

Tim is considered one of the 100 greatest NHL players of all time, having spent over 24 years in the league with Toronto, NY Rangers, Pittsburg Penguins and the Sabres.

Punch Imlach brought Tim to a new, and very young Buffalo Sabres squad in 1972 for his veteran leadership. He played only two years in Buffalo, as he was killed in a car crash. He was returning from a Sabres game in Toronto, and crashed his De Tomaso Pantera on the QEW, a half hour to the north of Buffalo.

His Donut franchise took off well after his death.

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at December 01, 2022 12:23 PM (CCSxw)

93 There's a diminishing return when you're "lifting people out of poverty."

If you're a Chinese citizen, living out in some village somewhere in the countryside, you're living a functionally equivalent life to a European peasant from the middle ages. Advancing to flushing toilets and running water is a HUGE step.

Contrast that with American poor who live in houses with electricity, running water, flagship cell phones, big screen tvs and air conditioning. It takes a big investment to marginally improve that person's life.

Yes, some of this is tongue in cheek. I know some people in America live on the street and many people in China live in modern-ish cities (with air quality similar to 1700s London.)

Posted by: bonhomme at December 01, 2022 12:24 PM (eyxn4)

94 86 All smart phones collect data on your location, your contacts, your texts, calls, internet searches, etc.
If they didn't, your phone wouldn't work.
Posted by: gourmand du jour, now with 50% less content at December 01, 2022 12:22 PM (jTmQV)

Good Lord, man, you pointed that out?

Posted by: kraken at December 01, 2022 12:24 PM (Vr12I)

95 IT managers' perennial bugaboo: everybody in the org uses Win and/or Linux, but the 'creatives' insist on using Apple. Now make them work together seamlessly.

Posted by: Peel gp A Grape at December 01, 2022 12:24 PM (24fqN)

96 88 This is the Obama admin with a fully operational deepstate deathstar...

Posted by: steevy at December 01, 2022 12:24 PM (yezA1)

97 The left would be camped out on Tim Cook’s front lawn protesting. We don’t do that so the tyranny goes on unabated.

Posted by: JROD at December 01, 2022 12:24 PM (AtoNk)

98 It's a little weird how corporations go out of their way to alienate 90% of their American audiences by inserting woke garbage into their advertising, but then REMOVE that content so they can suck up to the Chinese customers that probably hate them because they are not Chinese.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at December 01, 2022 12:19 PM (YIVH2)
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Not to mention do VERY UNWOKE things like removing black people from movie posters.

Because those model people, the Chinese, REALLY don't like black people.

Hmmm.... I wonder what the poster for Black Panther looked like in China

Posted by: Axeman at December 01, 2022 12:24 PM (krQz2)

99 Gays like Tim cook love authoritarianism.

They know how FABULOUS! they look in those nifty uniforms. And the riding crops come in handy for all sorts of things.

And there are a lot of gays in seats of power.

Posted by: Justin Castrau at December 01, 2022 12:24 PM (ai2Yq)

100 Was Steve Jobs a Chinese stooge, too, or did this only start after his death?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 01, 2022 12:24 PM (pmT/d)

101 Lol values. Like Googles do no evil. $$$ is the only value that and power they/them care about.

Posted by: SOMEASSHOLESTOLEMYPEN at December 01, 2022 12:25 PM (ytSiK)

102 Tim Cook is part of the corporate dictatorship. Democrats have realized that corporations can stifle free speech and a host of other rights they cannot limit or end based on our constitution. So these companies have become their proxies to undermine our republic. They are the enemy and need to be crushed.

Posted by: Marcus T at December 01, 2022 12:25 PM (vBMpQ)

103 95 IT managers' perennial bugaboo: everybody in the org uses Win and/or Linux, but the 'creatives' insist on using Apple. Now make them work together seamlessly.

Posted by: Peel gp A Grape at December 01, 2022 12:24 PM (24fqN)

Easy. Fire the folks that insist on using Apple products. Problem solved?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 01, 2022 12:25 PM (ynpvh)

104 Why Is the White House "Keeping an Eye on Twitter" While Not Even Saying a Word in Private to Apple About Actively Assisting China in Repressing Its Own People?

Because the White House agrees with Apple & China.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 01, 2022 12:25 PM (R3En5)

105 >>And there are a lot of gays in seats of power.

ISWYDT

And it turns me on.

Posted by: Pete Buttigieg at December 01, 2022 12:26 PM (HF1PR)

106 101 Lol values. Like Googles do no evil. $$$ is the only value that and power they/them care about.

Posted by: SOMEASSHOLESTOLEMYPEN at December 01, 2022 12:25 PM (ytSiK)

They removed the "Do no Evil" from their info years ago.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 01, 2022 12:26 PM (ynpvh)

107 IMHO, Apple is a dying corporation. Since the fag took over has there been one groundbreaking product release? I'm not an Apple fanboi but I can't think of one. Under Jobs there were tens of groundbreaking product releases. That innovation is gone and they are coasting on that previous IP.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at December 01, 2022 12:26 PM (u4CEu)

108 Steve Jobs would never have allowed Tim Cook to do this.

Jobs was no conservative, but he was smart enough to not let the company be any country's cat's paw. It violated his 60s ethos.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at December 01, 2022 12:26 PM (wEQZp)

109 "Apple products are overvalued chichi"

Their marketing has always flattered their customers as smarter and cooler than everybody else, and it's on that cachet alone that they command a higher price. Apple is the hipster snob Veblen tech good.

Posted by: Peel gp A Grape at December 01, 2022 12:26 PM (24fqN)

110 This will not cease as long as poll watchers continue to stand motionless while satchels of ballots are unloaded from black vans without plates.

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at December 01, 2022 12:27 PM (3Or4S)

111 92 Thanks, Browndog!

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 01, 2022 12:27 PM (pmT/d)

112 The left would be camped out on Tim Cook’s front lawn protesting. We don’t do that so the tyranny goes on unabated.
Posted by: JROD at December 01, 2022 12:24 PM (AtoNk)
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Look at the way the "Handmaidens" can run ape-shit through the nations Capitol, screeching at Senators in elevators, throwing papers all over representatives' offices and compare that to January 6.

Posted by: Axeman at December 01, 2022 12:27 PM (krQz2)

113 Because it's a trial run for what they plan to have Apple do here. Duh.

Posted by: ... at December 01, 2022 12:27 PM (WRwvA)

114 Governments spy on their most dangersous enemy. In America, that would be Americans, but never Chinese. In China, that would be Chinese first, then Americans.

Posted by: Eromero at December 01, 2022 12:27 PM (/knpl)

115 In the sidebar, Musk allowed Cook (Apple) to use the "misunderstanding" escape. I'd love to hear the pre-requisite conversation to that contrived press release. I'm sure it was colorful and filled with "I wonder how your bottom line would look if I did this?" conjectures.

Posted by: Orson at December 01, 2022 12:27 PM (pfCk7)

116 "Easy. Fire the folks that insist on using Apple products."

I wish it were easy.

Posted by: Peel gp A Grape at December 01, 2022 12:27 PM (24fqN)

117 the MAIN problem is the stranglehold the left has on the media

without that, the rest falls apart

Posted by: REDACTED at December 01, 2022 12:28 PM (us2H3)

118 Yes, the Biden administration sucks. But what sucks as much is that it's eager allies include the Republican establishment. Protect Same Sex Marriage! Fund the government for as long as possible! And keep the existing McLeadership.

Of course, there will be an assessment of the 2022 failure. Guess what? The Republicans have to run on more immigration and LGBTQWERTY rights. And turn over your children.

Well, F*** that. They don't want my support, so I will not burden them with it.

Posted by: Eeyore at December 01, 2022 12:28 PM (TgBWG)

119 Why is this admin so dumb? How can they be such incredible idiots in these positions?

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They are not. They are evil and don't give a rat fuck about you, me, or anyone other than them.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at December 01, 2022 12:28 PM (u4CEu)

120 Weird....despite their professed hatred of big business, love of democracy, and hatred of slavery, DU isn't talking about any of this.

Tis a mystery...

Posted by: Intrepid Democratic Underground AoS Liaison at December 01, 2022 12:28 PM (6vPrf)

121 Liberals and politicians adore China because it is a source of lots and lots of "grants" and "in-kind" payments that don't have to be reported and are structured to be ingnorable by the the Treasury and all that pesky legislation.

It is also a source of blackmail and extortion because of unending honeypots.

Posted by: Kindltot at December 01, 2022 12:28 PM (xhaym)

122 All the governments are colluding with each other and sharing signal Intel to quash dissent and freedom of information.

ALL OF THEM.

So I'm sure ours thinks it's no biggie to collude with Chyna. It's what they all do.

Posted by: Just Lily at December 01, 2022 12:28 PM (7I07s)

123 I buy nothing Android. That's Google. I fear Google more than I care about what Apple does.

Posted by: Jaimo at December 01, 2022 12:29 PM (DBrN4)

124 "I wonder how your bottom line would look if I did this?" conjectures.
Posted by: Orson at December 01, 2022 12:27 PM (pfCk7)

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I'd like to think that actually happened. "Hey, Tim, I'm already garnering excitement for my new Tesla phone, oh, I can stay on your platform, good choice."

Posted by: Seems Legit at December 01, 2022 12:29 PM (DcKNO)

125 He then say that Twitter must be subjected to a Deep State probe because it might have foreign investors. Note that Twitter also had foreign investors when it was imposing the left's censorship regime, and the left had no problem with foreign investment then.
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This is baffling. Twitter is owned by one person. He has his own investors, but Twitter doesn't. The chain of ownership for Twitter is *much* clearer and cleaner than for *any* publicly-listed company...

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 01, 2022 12:29 PM (t0OGg)

126

"This an Apple. This is a stink fruit."

- - THIS is XiNN

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 01, 2022 12:30 PM (x0n13)

127 123 I buy nothing Android. That's Google. I fear Google more than I care about what Apple does.

Posted by: Jaimo at December 01, 2022 12:29 PM (DBrN4)

What phones are neither Apple nor Android?
I have one phone that isn't; my home phone.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 01, 2022 12:30 PM (ynpvh)

128 > "Marcus Lafayette"

Probably Corn Pop's brother by another father.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at December 01, 2022 12:30 PM (bW8dp)

129 Apple's Values (2022): "Weld citizens into their homes and put a coal-fired plant online weekly!"

Posted by: ShainS -- The Humiliation is Part of the Kink at December 01, 2022 12:22 PM (K3TEc)

Arc welders don't run on solar.

Posted by: ... at December 01, 2022 12:30 PM (WRwvA)

130 Yea I have a home phone too. Nice if I'm there 24/7/365 but I'm not.

Posted by: Jaimo at December 01, 2022 12:30 PM (DBrN4)

131 126
"This an Apple. This is a stink fruit."
- - THIS is XiNN

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 01, 2022 12:30 PM (x0n13)

Durian

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 01, 2022 12:30 PM (ynpvh)

132 > Was Steve Jobs a Chinese stooge, too, or did this only start after his death?

Steve Jobs was one of the world's most effective cult leaders. Even his close friends would describe the, "reality distortion zone" around him. They weren't just saying he was a liar, though he was that too. Jobs had that cult leader personality that would make everyone around him bend to his version of reality.

I don't think there was any space in Jobs' ego to be a stooge to China.

Posted by: bonhomme at December 01, 2022 12:30 PM (eyxn4)

133 125 This is baffling. Twitter is owned by one person. He has his own investors, but Twitter doesn't. The chain of ownership for Twitter is *much* clearer and cleaner than for *any* publicly-listed company...
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 01, 2022 12:29 PM (t0OGg)

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"Foreign officials stayed at a Trump hotel for a few nights, which means they own Trump now."
-Same people

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at December 01, 2022 12:30 PM (LvTSG)

134 I'd love to hear the pre-requisite conversation to that contrived press release.

"Hey, Tim. Interesting DMs you sent on each trip to the child markets in China."

Posted by: t-bird at December 01, 2022 12:31 PM (ptElO)

135 Their marketing has always flattered their customers as smarter and cooler than everybody else, and it's on that cachet alone that they command a higher price. Apple is the hipster snob Veblen tech good.

Posted by: Peel gp A Grape at December 01, 2022 12:26 PM (24fqN)

I've been an Apple user (industry standard for graphic design back in the day) for over 30 years. I absolutely hate what has become of it.

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at December 01, 2022 12:31 PM (OgrpQ)

136 > What phones are neither Apple nor Android?

Blackberry used to be, but they're defunct.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at December 01, 2022 12:31 PM (bW8dp)

137 79 What is an alternative to an Apple Phone? Samsung Galaxy?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 01, 2022 12:21 PM (vH/6k)

There is no need for a smartphone. There is absolutely nothing going on in our lives that requires anything more than a flip phone so that really important calls get to us. You're not typing out War and Peace on an iPhone, anyway. It can wait until you get to a desk.

This incessant need to be 'online' is insane, and we've all bought into it, at the cost of our sanity and our personal time.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at December 01, 2022 12:31 PM (wEQZp)

138 130 Yea I have a home phone too. Nice if I'm there 24/7/365 but I'm not.

Posted by: Jaimo at December 01, 2022 12:30 PM (DBrN4)

Which I forward to my Android phone...Oh, I see...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 01, 2022 12:31 PM (ynpvh)

139 Durian
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 01, 2022 12:30 PM (ynpvh)

I saw Durian Durian open for Duran Duran at Wembley in '85

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 01, 2022 12:31 PM (x0n13)

140
The US government will never challenge Apple in any way, whether or not they cleave to the bosom of the Party (though they will).

Look at it this way: Apple does not depend on the US economy for any of its production inputs. None of its materials, manual labor, or manufacturing come from the US. Some of its top execs, designers and engineers are American, but a ton of them are H1Bs. There is nothing to stop the boys in Cupertino from selling that fancy building and going to Dubai or wherever.

Not that the threat would ever happen - Apple has a $2.35T market cap. They can and do use it to bribe every single Commie limpdick in DC and every statehouse.

By contrast - China provides Apple its raw material, its manufactures, and all the delicious, yummy slave labor that goes into those things. And no small number of the aforementioned H1Bs. Those guys can snap their fingers at any time and get Tim Cook to blow them like one of his rentboys.

Kirby is right about Twitter - the situations aren't even remotely similar. Twitter can be bullied by the US. Apple cannot.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 01, 2022 12:31 PM (oINRc)

141 As I've been saying since early 2020, we are already in WWIII.

This time it's the globalists vs everyone else.

It will only be seen by many with the benefit of hindsight.

Posted by: ... at December 01, 2022 12:31 PM (WRwvA)

142 "What phones are neither Apple nor Android?"

I have a Tracfone I carry for emergencies only. For the other 3 or 4 calls I make per year, it's a MagicJack and a Western Electric model 2500 deskset.

Posted by: Peel gp A Grape at December 01, 2022 12:31 PM (24fqN)

143 I buy nothing Android. That's Google. I fear Google more than I care about what Apple does.

Posted by: Jaimo
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Never had a single Apple product but I have an iphone 13 now because of that very reason and nothing else.

Google evil >>>>>>>>>>> Apple evil >>>>>>>>>good

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at December 01, 2022 12:31 PM (u4CEu)

144 132 Steve Jobs was one of the world's most effective cult leaders. Even his close friends would describe the, "reality distortion zone" around him. They weren't just saying he was a liar, though he was that too. Jobs had that cult leader personality that would make everyone around him bend to his version of reality.

I don't think there was any space in Jobs' ego to be a stooge to China.
Posted by: bonhomme at December 01, 2022 12:30 PM (eyxn4)

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I think the Danny Boyle film Jobs effectively showed Jobs as something of a monster who could push technology in new directions.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at December 01, 2022 12:31 PM (LvTSG)

145 Fascinating book idea

China goes full warlord civil war. The economic and political schwerpunkt in that situation would be the Three Rivers Gorge dam.

Would a warlord be ruthless enough to destroy it?

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 01, 2022 12:32 PM (kL6mt)

146 Look at the way the "Handmaidens" can run ape-shit through the nations Capitol, screeching at Senators in elevators, throwing papers all over representatives' offices and compare that to January 6.
Posted by: Axeman at December 01, 2022 12:27 PM (krQz2)

Look at the way hard-core, super-duper, rock 'em-sock 'em "conservatives" like Ted Cruz and Rand Paul go out of their way to call J6 an 'insurrection' and award fucking medals of bravery to the cops who murdered Ashli Babbitt and compare it to their radio silence when it comes to "Handmaidens."

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 01, 2022 12:32 PM (AW0uW)

147 134 I'd love to hear the pre-requisite conversation to that contrived press release.

"Hey, Tim. Interesting DMs you sent on each trip to the child markets in China."

Posted by: t-bird at December 01, 2022 12:31 PM (ptElO)

Do they sell them by the pound?

Posted by: Zombie Jeffrey Dahmer at December 01, 2022 12:32 PM (ynpvh)

148 What is an alternative to an Apple Phone? Samsung Galaxy?
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Samsung runs on Android software. Works fine. Nice product range in terms of phone models. Camera excellent, maybe not as cutting edge as the top of the line apple. Apps from google app store. They now have something called nearby share - which is similar in function to AIR DROP.

If you want a phone for a kid that looks like a smart phone but doesn't have apps or internet - but will allow text and photo - GABB phone.

Posted by: consumer advice at December 01, 2022 12:33 PM (tvcsv)

149 ALL OF THEM.

So I'm sure ours thinks it's no biggie to collude with Chyna. It's what they all do.
Posted by: Just Lily at December 01, 2022 12:28 PM (7I07s)

This is why when they use phrases like "preserving our democracy" it's particularly insidious. Ordinary rubes think by "our" they mean the people.

Nope. They mean the global cabal of elites who get together to rule over the rubes. To them, "our democracy" is that fruity little club to which they all belong and you don't.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 01, 2022 12:33 PM (YV6PJ)

150 "Hey, Tim. Interesting DMs you sent on each trip to the child markets in China."

Posted by: t-bird at December 01, 2022 12:31 PM (ptElO)

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Closer to the truth than mine.

Posted by: Seems Legit at December 01, 2022 12:33 PM (DcKNO)

151 139 Durian
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 01, 2022 12:30 PM (ynpvh)

I saw Durian Durian open for Duran Duran at Wembley in '85

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 01, 2022 12:31 PM (x0n13)

Made quite a stink when Gallagher smashed them with a mallet...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 01, 2022 12:34 PM (ynpvh)

152 > I saw Durian Durian open for Duran Duran at Wembley in '85

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 01, 2022 12:31 PM (x0n13)

I saw Duranty Duranty win a Pulitizer Prize for fellating Stalin back in '32.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at December 01, 2022 12:34 PM (bW8dp)

153 I think we now see why a "free market" proponent has to be an interventionist enough to prevent monopolistic effects.

It's the reason that for ~2 decades, I haven't been able to back the "lassaiz faire" model of "free market".

Yes, they are private companies, private entities. But the Market is a good, and we should not let private entities interfere with the value of the Market.

Posted by: Axeman at December 01, 2022 12:34 PM (krQz2)

154 141 Yep.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 01, 2022 12:34 PM (pmT/d)

155 This incessant need to be 'online' is insane, and we've all bought into it, at the cost of our sanity and our personal time.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at December 01, 2022 12:31 PM (wEQZp)

This. A thousand times this.

Does anyone really need to be texting, facebooking, twittering and all that pointless bullshit? Other than making sure your elderly relatives are OK, why does anyone feel the need to have that goddamned phone on every fucking minute of every fucking day?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 01, 2022 12:35 PM (AW0uW)

156 Android is open source.

It would probably be fine if Musk had his engineers do a thorough (and I mean THOROUGH) security audit.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at December 01, 2022 12:35 PM (bW8dp)

157 “China has done an unbelievable job of lifting people out of poverty … far beyond what any country has done..."

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Uh yeah, about that. America (before we died as a country) might have a word. I guess when you start lifting people out of poverty with a starting point of them eating leaves and bark because you starved them, perhaps they are doing better now.

However, I have yet to see China as a beacon for a world yearning for a good life. Get back to me when people the world over are clamoring to get in. Nobody wants to consciously live in that sh*t country.

Posted by: Lady in Black at December 01, 2022 12:35 PM (sVtYq)

158 I don't think there was any space in Jobs' ego to be a stooge to China.
Posted by: bonhomme at December 01, 2022 12:30 PM (eyxn4)

When the US allowed those technologies to be produced in China, a lot of greed and evil ensued.

Posted by: CN at December 01, 2022 12:35 PM (Zzbjj)

159 The left would be camped out on Tim Cook’s front lawn protesting. We don’t do that so the tyranny goes on unabated.
Posted by: JROD at December 01, 2022 12:24 PM (AtoNk)
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Maybe that's the key. Maybe they have a separate "democracy" that they refer to where the masses aren't citizens, and therefore not voters.

Posted by: Axeman at December 01, 2022 12:36 PM (krQz2)

160 155 This incessant need to be 'online' is insane, and we've all bought into it, at the cost of our sanity and our personal time.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at December 01, 2022 12:31 PM (wEQZp)

This. A thousand times this.

Does anyone really need to be texting, facebooking, twittering and all that pointless bullshit? Other than making sure your elderly relatives are OK, why does anyone feel the need to have that goddamned phone on every fucking minute of every fucking day?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 01, 2022 12:35 PM (AW0uW)

Mostly use phone for text and calls, but sometimes use mapping apps when I'm trying to get somewhere.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 01, 2022 12:36 PM (ynpvh)

161 Twitter is even more of a private company than Apple. Apple is publicly traded.

Posted by: SloPitch Whiffer at December 01, 2022 12:36 PM (wzAuc)

162 OT - the Macrons are visiting the Bidens today. I hope Joe does not confuse Mrs. Macron for Jill - they sure look alike.

Posted by: IC - #FJB #MitchTheBitch at December 01, 2022 12:36 PM (mnUzy)

163 88 the same people are in brain deads ad as we're in Obama's. They just have more allies and have upped their game

Posted by: Smell the Glove at December 01, 2022 12:36 PM (mP+mW)

164 "This incessant need to be 'online' is insane, and we've all bought into it, at the cost of our sanity and our personal time."

Guilty as charged.

Posted by: Peel gp A Grape at December 01, 2022 12:37 PM (24fqN)

165 163 88 the same people are in brain deads ad as we're in Obama's. They just have more allies and have upped their game

Posted by: Smell the Glove
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And now know there will be no consequences to what they do... NONE.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at December 01, 2022 12:37 PM (u4CEu)

166 Oh la la, Jill bangs Monsieur Macron in the Lincoln Bedroom?

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 01, 2022 12:38 PM (kL6mt)

167 But Apple is already working China's will, to help it crush an organic protest movement.
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And it will continue to do so. As will every other Big Tech company. And the United States government.

These are not "American Companies." They are also not "Chinese Companies." They are truly "global companies." They have no territory, they have no allegiance, they have no master.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 01, 2022 12:38 PM (t0OGg)

168 What phones are neither Apple nor Android?

My Southwestern Bell phone still works well. Doesn't have much range, though.

Posted by: t-bird at December 01, 2022 12:38 PM (dNNCD)

169 I wish, just once, someone would just say to one of these Biden spokesliars "Stop lying to me."

Just once.

Posted by: Eeyore at December 01, 2022 12:38 PM (TgBWG)

170 Team Biden was not cracking down on MAGA hard enough, so they burned five of his cars as a warning?

ha, it is pretty odd though, five cars all spontaneously combusting?

Long list of items censored by BigTech/BigGov, and lies that were promoted. Like the Trump/Russia continuing lie, versus Hunter Laptop is Russia disinfo. Then all the shutdown/vax lies, while censoring good info. Guys like Kirby are very proud of their Stasi and their vote fraud machines.

Posted by: illiniwek at December 01, 2022 12:39 PM (Cus5s)

171 I have a galaxy and I am not in despair. Apple products are overvalued chichi
Posted by: CN at December 01, 2022 12:22 PM (Zzbjj)

Based on current pricing at ATT, the iPhone 14 costs exactly $0.00 more than the Galaxy S22.

Arguments can probably be made for either system but price isn't one.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic, Ashli Babbitt/Rosanne Boyland at December 01, 2022 12:39 PM (zhLdt)

172 Digging through subforums to see if China/Apple is being discussed at all (it isn't), I stumbled across employment data released yesterday I don't recall seeing here?

Private hiring increased by just 127,000 jobs in November, well below estimate, ADP reports Unexpectedly!

Private companies added just 127,000 positions for the month, a steep reduction from the 239,000 in October and well below the 190,000 estimate.
-- Leisure and hospitality saw an increase of 224,000, but that was offset by losses in manufacturing, professional and business services, financial activities, and information services.

Private hiring slowed sharply during November in a sign that the historically tight labor market could be losing some steam, according to a report Wednesday from payroll processing firm ADP. ... Companies added just 127,000 positions for the month, a steep reduction from the 239,000 the firm reported for October and well below the Dow Jones estimate for 190,000. It also was the lowest total since January.

Posted by: Intrepid Democratic Underground AoS Liaison at December 01, 2022 12:39 PM (6vPrf)

173 "What phones are neither Apple nor Android?"
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Is some company cared enough to do it. Android is open source. All the Google stuff could be re-written to not be spyware.

Samsung does some pretty heavy modifications of Android base code to put on their phones.

Posted by: Axeman at December 01, 2022 12:39 PM (krQz2)

174 “Macaroni is coming? Yum, yum. I’ll take mine with chili on top.”

— Joe Biden

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 01, 2022 12:40 PM (pmT/d)

175 I think we now see why a "free market" proponent has to be an interventionist enough to prevent monopolistic effects.
It's the reason that for ~2 decades, I haven't been able to back the "lassaiz faire" model of "free market".

Yes, they are private companies, private entities. But the Market is a good, and we should not let private entities interfere with the value of the Market.
Posted by: Axeman at December 01, 2022 12:34 PM (krQz2)

Thing is, just straight markets wouldn't matter, but what we have are essentially cartels managed by national governments to exclude competition. That is the purpose of anti-monopoly legislation is all about, to make sure the members don't cheat on each other and all competition is excluded.
Regulatory capture and anti-monopoly legislation work hand in hand

If you "give" the government anti-monopoly powers, we wind up with what we have today.

Posted by: Kindltot at December 01, 2022 12:40 PM (xhaym)

176
That last Tim Cook vid about the ChiComs "lifting people out of poverty" is such bullshit. What the ChiComs did is they simply gave poor people a few yuan a year to bridge the gap between what they already produce for subsistence and the UN floor number that defines absolute poverty for China's development level, which is about $2000 per year.

So instead of a billion people making an annual income of $1990 a year, they have a billion people making $2001 per year. Yay! Absolute poverty defeated!

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 01, 2022 12:40 PM (n+4am)

177 Kirby is a slicker more polished version of Pierre. Both are sent out to feed the media and populace lies so the administration can keep causing wreckage. Pierre flat out lied yesterday saying Biden went to the boarder and no consequences, because they can lie and get away with it

Posted by: Smell the Glove at December 01, 2022 12:40 PM (mP+mW)

178 172 Digging through subforums to see if China/Apple is being discussed at all (it isn't), I stumbled across employment data released yesterday I don't recall seeing here?

Posted by: Intrepid Democratic Underground AoS Liaison at December 01, 2022 12:39 PM (6vPrf)

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There were some comments about it being really, really bad, the signs that corporate America couldn't hold back the bad news anymore now that the election was in the past.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at December 01, 2022 12:40 PM (LvTSG)

179 Does anyone really need to be texting, facebooking, twittering and all that pointless bullshit? Other than making sure your elderly relatives are OK, why does anyone feel the need to have that goddamned phone on every fucking minute of every fucking day?

--

It's become such a sick obsession. For all age groups, even though those 30 and under are particularly highly (and I do mean highly) addicted to their phones.

Personally, I want to throw my cell phone into the street most hours of the day and let it get run over. I hate it. I don't even have the ringer on. I never care where it is. I do have to have it though as my dad is elderly and we no longer have a home phone.

Posted by: Lady in Black at December 01, 2022 12:40 PM (sVtYq)

180 The Bidet administration is in bed with Beijing.
Posted by: Anna Puma

Must be a big bed.

Posted by: JT at December 01, 2022 12:40 PM (T4tVD)

181 As I've been saying since early 2020, we are already in WWIII.

This time it's the globalists vs everyone else.

It will only be seen by many with the benefit of hindsight.
Posted by: ... at December 01, 2022 12:31 PM (WRwvA)

Completely agree. 2016 me would have considered that crazy. Amazing how quickly things spiraled out of control.

Posted by: DaisyB at December 01, 2022 12:41 PM (AbL8c)

182 PEPE LEPEW SHIT MY PANTS!

Posted by: Joe Biden at December 01, 2022 12:41 PM (rJ88p)

183 Last time I went on twitter (yesterday) there was a barrage of tweets about how congress finally has gotten their hands on Trumps IRS returns.
I'd love to see Pelosi's returns. Or just about any other member of congress. Maybe McConnell's.

Posted by: gourmand du jour, now with 50% less content at December 01, 2022 12:41 PM (jTmQV)

184 >>>Oh la la, Jill bangs Monsieur Macron in the Lincoln Bedroom?
Posted by: Anna Puma

Would that surprise anyone on the planet of Earth?

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at December 01, 2022 12:41 PM (bkUtD)

185 Macs are unix based (Free BSD) and run on Intel chips. No reason that any IT person would have issues getting them to work with Linux and Windows.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at December 01, 2022 12:41 PM (uz3Px)

186
Another thing about Tim Cook I kind of hate: when Apple's shareholders were furious at Cook for, among other things, the innovation stagnation, the cost of the Cupertino structure, the forays into politics that Jobs had always forbidden, and above all the failure of the Apple watch doo-dad... THAT'S when Cook came out of the closet.

Everyone in the world of business knew he was a rump-ranger before that. But he "came out" because, hey - "I plug dudes in the keister. You can't fire me, bigots" works in this stupid-ass country.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 01, 2022 12:41 PM (oINRc)

187 The Bidet administration is in bed with Beijing.
Posted by: Anna Puma

Must be a big bed.
Posted by: JT at December 01, 2022 12:40 PM (T4tVD)
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Over 1 billion served.

Posted by: MacDonald's at December 01, 2022 12:42 PM (krQz2)

188 Did y'all already talk about that State Senator pedo-looking freak, Scott Weiner posting a fake threat on his Twitter account?

It's still there, too.

You can tell it's fake, because in the screenshot you can see a cursor and those little blue grammar underline markers that Apple Notes has. He typed it up himself.

https://bit.ly/3gRymXv

Posted by: bonhomme at December 01, 2022 12:42 PM (eyxn4)

189 167 These are not "American Companies." They are also not "Chinese Companies." They are truly "global companies." They have no territory, they have no allegiance, they have no master.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 01, 2022 12:38 PM

No, no...they're about "do no evil", or "improve humanity". They really care!

Posted by: Tech Journalist at December 01, 2022 12:42 PM (6vPrf)

190 The five rentals burned because they couldn't get the stains and the drugs out of the upholstery

Posted by: Kindltot at December 01, 2022 12:42 PM (xhaym)

191 Martha has discovered journalism. Good for her.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 01, 2022 12:43 PM (ptqGC)

192 John Kirby is a paid liar.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at December 01, 2022 12:43 PM (lf83v)

193 I'd buy a Tesla phone, roll out bugs and all . I'm not happy about being morally and politically forced to get rid of my IPhone .

Posted by: polynikes at December 01, 2022 12:43 PM (ISz6t)

194 I'm different.

I need a smartphone on me at all times for work in case an emergency bartending situation comes up.

I need to be available and be able receive important bartending files downloaded to me 24/7.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at December 01, 2022 12:44 PM (M1eCb)

195 But, as we are reminded ad nauseam. . ."That's not who we are."
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 01, 2022 12:11 PM (AW0uW)

I can't boycott Apple; never owned any of their shit. And I pretty regularly snark here at Apple fanbois who whine about the HQ not rendering properly on their device.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 01, 2022 12:44 PM (tkR6S)

196 They want Apple to do this because they don't want the dissidents to be successful. If the Chinese dissidents were successful, then it might be duplicated by other movements, and this would be bad for two reasons: first, it would undermine the efforts of State Dept peons to make nice with these regimes, and second, it would reduce the need for "approved" resistance groups to rely on US support.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at December 01, 2022 12:44 PM (wmDcS)

197 171 I have a galaxy and I am not in despair. Apple products are overvalued chichi
Posted by: CN at December 01, 2022 12:22 PM (Zzbjj)

Based on current pricing at ATT, the iPhone 14 costs exactly $0.00 more than the Galaxy S22.

Arguments can probably be made for either system but price isn't one.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic, Ashli Babbitt/Rosanne Boyland at December 01, 2022 12:39 PM (zhLdt)

Apple products typically sell at a higher price for equivalent hardware. It's the brand premium that makes them so profitable.

Posted by: Someguy's phone at December 01, 2022 12:45 PM (LetEU)

198 They have no territory, they have no allegiance, they have no master.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 01, 2022 12:38 PM

I disagree. Apple is Not a Chinese company, but China has more influence than any other entity within Apple - even it's own "owners."

Without Chinese help, Apple dies. Like, tomorrow.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 01, 2022 12:45 PM (oINRc)

199 Few observations: One, there are options for non-google or apple phones. It requires a bit of tech know-how but lineage OS is the open source version of android that can be installed on older phones after wiping them.- with a couple of variants plus a list of phone models that support it. Best start with an older unlocked phone to begin with. PinePhone is a complete degoogled open source phone that is rtg--the smart phone will be a bit behind current tech. Older phones include the Windows phone by Nokia and a Ubuntu linux phone that got abandoned by Ubuntu but kept alive by volunteers.

Two, fix your application permissions and limit what it can do. The low tech faraday bag can stop tracking such as when your phone is off.

Last but not least, figure anything that you share over phones, texts, search engines like Google, data, tv/streaming boxes, or gps is accessible with enough concentration by authorities without a warrant. Insecurities include VPNs, Tor Onion searches, apps like Signal, etc. and so on. Encryption can be broken but it takes some time--the usual way snoopers get in though is by tricking the target to get an app, etc. installed opening backdoors.

Posted by: whig at December 01, 2022 12:45 PM (bDjBG)

200 John Kirby is a paid liar.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at December 01, 2022 12:43 PM (lf83v)

He's another Obama lackey. At least he doesn't wear his uniform with all the medals anymore. 🤡

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 01, 2022 12:45 PM (ptqGC)

201 Kirby is a slicker more polished version of Pierre. Both are sent out to feed the media and populace lies so the administration can keep causing wreckage. Pierre flat out lied yesterday saying Biden went to the boarder and no consequences, because they can lie and get away with it
Posted by: Smell the Glove at December 01, 2022 12:40 PM (mP+mW)
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Decades ago, Kirby would probably be the guy doing the job.

Now we have the diversity hire you can't criticize because 3! intersections of "marginalization".

(Yeah, it's *that* ironic. We live in a society where increasingly somebody will wave the LGBT banner to become unassailable...and they're still the "marginalized" people.)

Posted by: Axeman at December 01, 2022 12:45 PM (krQz2)

202 Personally, I want to throw my cell phone into the street most hours of the day and let it get run over. I hate it. I don't even have the ringer on. I never care where it is. I do have to have it though as my dad is elderly and we no longer have a home phone.
Posted by: Lady in Black at December 01, 2022 12:40 PM (sVtYq)
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Here's how you know if you're addicted to your phone: if you forget it at home when you go out to a restaurant, do you get anxious and uncomfortable?

Unless you're on-call or something, of course, because then you're tethered to it for your job.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 01, 2022 12:46 PM (t0OGg)

203 "China aligns perfectly with Apple values"

*Narrator* Chinese slave labor used at FoxCon factories to produce iPhones?

Posted by: Inquiring Minds Want To Know at December 01, 2022 12:46 PM (ZcDSg)

204 The War on Islamic radicalism has taken a backseat for now in favor of our war on domestic commies.

Posted by: polynikes at December 01, 2022 12:46 PM (ISz6t)

205 Now, having ranted all that, I will admit that I have a cell phone, but only because:

1. There are no public phones anymore. If I break down, I have to be able to call someone.

2. I need it to access the various websites of the hospitals I work for.

Otherwise, it's a brick stuffed to overflowing with apps and other garbage I neither need nor want.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 01, 2022 12:46 PM (AW0uW)

206 Apparently Kanye is on Alex Jones' Infowars show and Alex Jones is having to push back on some of the crazy conspiracy crap Kanye is pushing.

When Alex Jones thinks you're going too far, you're pure crazy.

Posted by: bonhomme at December 01, 2022 12:47 PM (eyxn4)

207 Otherwise, it's a brick stuffed to overflowing with apps and other garbage I neither need nor want.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 01, 2022 12:46 PM (AW0uW)

I need my cat videos!

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 01, 2022 12:47 PM (Y5qcH)

208 Any app you install on your smart phone decreases your security and privacy.
I try to limit mine.

Posted by: gourmand du jour, now with 50% less content at December 01, 2022 12:47 PM (jTmQV)

209 I'd get an Android/Apple alternative if it had the features I need. Lineage isn't there. It might get there, though, and if it does I'm off those platforms.

Or a Muskphone, if the privacy model is acceptable. A third player can't hurt, that's for sure.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 01, 2022 12:48 PM (t0OGg)

210 The five rentals burned because they couldn't get the stains and the drugs out of the upholstery
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you pop one hooker for vomiting in the back seat and burn the rental, but five at once? That's quite the weekend.

Posted by: Daddy Biden wondering what happened at December 01, 2022 12:48 PM (BiPn7)

211 >>>When Alex Jones thinks you're going too far, you're pure crazy.
Posted by: bonhomme

Word.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at December 01, 2022 12:48 PM (bkUtD)

212 Rush used to be really big into Apple stuff. Presumably he wouldn’t be anymore if he were alive.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 01, 2022 12:48 PM (pmT/d)

213 The latest lies from KJP and Kirby are nothing compared to future Junta lies. The lies will get bigger and bigger from now to November 2024.

By no later than March 2024, all of the Big Media fact-checkers will be laid-off. The words from the Junta will all be labeled true, period. Everything a non-Dem says, even what their name is, will instantly be labeled false, period.

Posted by: Gref at December 01, 2022 12:48 PM (AMIL/)

214
You work as a wage-slave for Foxconn building iPhones until you jump off the building for the suicide benefits, or you start protesting your appalling state of your pitiful existence. In that case, the iPhone reports you to the Ministry of State Security, who arrest you and put you in an actual, straight-up slave camp where you build more iPhones.

It's the cycle of Chinese life.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 01, 2022 12:49 PM (oINRc)

215 Any app you install on your smart phone decreases your security and privacy.
I try to limit mine.
Posted by: gourmand du jour, now with 50% less content at December 01, 2022 12:47 PM (jTmQV)
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100%. If your thing requires a mobile app, I won't buy it. If you flog a mobile app at me in a store, I won't install it.

"order on our app and get a free sandwich!' No. The free sandwich - even the periodic free sandwich - isn't worth the destruction of privacy.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 01, 2022 12:49 PM (t0OGg)

216 196 : first, it would undermine the efforts of State Dept peons to make nice with these regimes, and second, it would reduce the need for "approved" resistance groups to rely on US support.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at December 01, 2022 12:44 PM

I've had the displeasure of working with senior State Department personnel on several occasions. They're are some of the most egotistical, sanctimonious assholes on the planet, and they are not working in the US's best interest. If they don't like the current admin's priorities (I worked with them during Trump), the lie, delay, and ignore the guidance they're given. It was shocking.

Posted by: Grimmy at December 01, 2022 12:49 PM (6vPrf)

217 If I didn't have my phone I couldn't post from the hospital right now doing my pre-op for tomorrow's procedure. Though I guess you could say I'm hooked more to aos than to my phone . 😀

Posted by: polynikes at December 01, 2022 12:49 PM (ISz6t)

218 Apparently Kanye is on Alex Jones' Infowars show and Alex Jones is having to push back on some of the crazy conspiracy crap Kanye is pushing.

They should have had him at the NYT event with Janet Yellen, Sam Bankman Fried. Mark Zuckerberg and Vladimir Zelenskyy.

They could have pushed back against Ye's crazy theory that Jewish people are controlling everything.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at December 01, 2022 12:49 PM (M1eCb)

219 Proposal for the Musk-Fone:

Given that the various apps and other data collecting bits PAY such as Apple and Samsung for the access and "rights" to collect said data, I'd like to know the value of those payments, over (presuming) the nominal three-year life of the phone. For conversation, let's call it $200 in fees, over that time.

Fine. I will opt to pay that $200 into what *I* pay for the fone, with the provision that there remains NO data collecting apps, cumulative data tracking or other such, less the raw necessity of the phone knowing it's location when it *pings* a tower, etc.

And, I want no cloud. My photos, documents, searches, etc. Those remain and are stored in MY fone, and not XYZ's erstwhile cloud. I'm not asking for a Secure Fone for free. It's worth something to me, and I'll pay the rate to have one!

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at December 01, 2022 12:49 PM (e6UQI)

220 Mostly use phone for text and calls, but sometimes use mapping apps when I'm trying to get somewhere.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 01, 2022 12:36 PM (ynpvh)

Garmin makes a perfectly fine GPS, which can be used for mapping purposes. Now, this is not a slam on you (I, for instance, use my bricked HP Elite Smartphone for a GPS sometimes - my SIM card is in my flip phone), but this is symptomatic of the cult of convenience we've all succumbed to. It's truly great to have one device to rule all our tasks, rather than many. What we've done, however, is made it trivially easy to have the gov't control one entity to dominate us, rather than hundreds. I'm as guilty as the next for doing my bit to facilitate this, but I'm now taking the time to extricate myself. I'll sacrifice convenience for individual security, going forward.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at December 01, 2022 12:49 PM (wEQZp)

221 "When Alex Jones thinks you're going too far, you're pure crazy."

When AJ thinks you're going too far, it's because he knows he'll get sued for what anybody else says.

Posted by: Peel gp A Grape at December 01, 2022 12:49 PM (24fqN)

222 I used to love Apple and the cohesiveness of the ecosystem. They can go fuck a volcano now

2023 will mark my complete transition too all things non-Apple, starting with the Galaxy S23 coming out in February

Posted by: The Unvaxed and Unmasked Ranger at December 01, 2022 12:50 PM (c8W7l)

223 TikTok app openly ravages whatever they can get off your phone. It's really a national security issue. Some pols have noticed but little is done.

Posted by: gourmand du jour, now with 50% less content at December 01, 2022 12:51 PM (jTmQV)

224 152 I saw Duranty Duranty win a Pulitizer Prize for fellating Stalin back in '32.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at December 01, 2022 12:34 PM (bW8dp)

"Papa oo Mao Mao." Or was it "Man-Mau?"

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 01, 2022 12:51 PM (x0n13)

225 By no later than March 2024, all of the Big Media fact-checkers will be laid-off. The words from the Junta will all be labeled true, period. Everything a non-Dem says, even what their name is, will instantly be labeled false, period.

Posted by: Gref at December 01, 2022 12:48 PM (AMIL/)
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You'll get crowd-sourced fact-checking from Twitter if it stays around that long. (No, not because Elon's "mismanaging" it, but because Hillary's cabal is literally extorting people to leave/ban the platform.)

Posted by: Axeman at December 01, 2022 12:51 PM (krQz2)

226 Every time I see the name Macron I hear "maricon" in my head.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, I think I have a skeleton inside me at December 01, 2022 12:51 PM (xPJvm)

227 Posted by: Grimmy at December 01, 2022 12:49 PM (6vPrf

I am assuming it doesn't work the other way around . State department supporters of a Republican President trying to sabotage a Democrat administration. Would that be a correct assumption?

Posted by: polynikes at December 01, 2022 12:51 PM (ISz6t)

228 185 Macs are unix based (Free BSD) and run on Intel chips. No reason that any IT person would have issues getting them to work with Linux and Windows. Posted by: Notsothoreau

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Free BSD is enough alike but enough different to Linux to create problems on the margins such as configuration files necessary to access corporate networks and resources while keeping up with required updates and internal security.

Sort of like running different kernels of Linux or differences between Windows 10 and 11--you can have strange issues with mundane things like printer drivers, video drivers, and so on. Configuration file locations can move. Stack that with pushed OS updates from Apple that can break things, it can be an issue. I have about 4-5 computers that I maintain (less now since parents and inlaws have passed on).

Basically, the more OS'es you maintain, the bigger the pita on actual physical machines. That is why virtual machines are becoming so popular but they gobble memory and storage space.

Posted by: whig at December 01, 2022 12:51 PM (bDjBG)

229 167 These are not "American Companies." They are also not "Chinese Companies." They are truly "global companies." They have no territory, they have no allegiance, they have no master.
Posted by: Joe Mannix

https://youtu.be/35DSdw7dHjs

Posted by: Puddleglum at work at December 01, 2022 12:52 PM (xSnmX)

230 I think Duranty Duranty did "Should I Stay or Should I Go".

Posted by: Axeman at December 01, 2022 12:52 PM (krQz2)

231 > They could have pushed back against Ye's crazy theory that Jewish people are controlling everything.

"Some Jewish people are in positions of power and are working against your best interest" IS NOT THE SAME as "the Jews control everything."

If you can't see the difference, you're a moron.

Posted by: bonhomme at December 01, 2022 12:53 PM (eyxn4)

232 When Alex Jones thinks you're going too far, you're pure crazy."
__________

The guy married Kim Kardashian. What other proof is needed?

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at December 01, 2022 12:53 PM (lf83v)

233 I have a Pinephone and gave up on it. I have a Nokia Windows phone but it's only 3g so the networks don't support it.

I now have an $80 Android with gooble play and everything else google turned off and Brave sideloaded and it works pretty well.

Posted by: fd at December 01, 2022 12:54 PM (sn5EN)

234 During the lockdown period, people wanted me to do zoom video conferencing, on my laptop.
So I went to the site, downloaded the app. Upon installation the very *first* thing it wanted to do was copy the contents of my download folder.
Abort, abort, abort...

Posted by: gourmand du jour, now with 50% less content at December 01, 2022 12:54 PM (jTmQV)

235 "100%. If your thing requires a mobile app, I won't buy it"

I liked Web 1.0, because it brought the promise of writing just one site that would work on all browser platforms (hopefully.) Then the smartphone came along and introduced the need for a custom-crafted app for each possible use case. It's all to help force vendor lock-in. People seem to love the mobile app model though.

Posted by: Peel gp A Grape at December 01, 2022 12:54 PM (24fqN)

236 Apple needs to suffer for this, they have blood on their hands (as does Biden and this Administration).

Posted by: acethepug at December 01, 2022 12:55 PM (iPUDw)

237 When Alex Jones thinks you're going too far, you're pure crazy.
==
I dunno what it is, but some people are really taken with whatever the pick up on the internet. I've had to deprogram a few people, who should have been smarter, on the whole fire doesn't melt steel thing. It is the most bizarre thing. They latch on to something in a moment of stress and the acceptance of that narrative must provide some kind of relief, and that makes them not want to give it up. Even when they know they are obviously wrong, you can see them still trying to hold onto their wubby. Its gives them something. I mean, one gal i had to turn on an episode of forged in fire. Explain the fire triangle and walk her through videos of furnance construction. She eventually got it. But then shifted to some other ridiculous thing. It was providing her something, some sense of control or of figuring something out , I dunno.
People's emotional upheaval during the last 20 years or so should not be underestimated. Lotta shit been stirred and still going.

Posted by: YMMV at December 01, 2022 12:55 PM (iSfZN)

238 I thought Duranty Duranty did that Inka-Dinka-Doo song.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 01, 2022 12:55 PM (pmT/d)

239 >
2023 will mark my complete transition too all things non-Apple, starting with the Galaxy S23 coming out in February
Posted by: The Unvaxed and Unmasked Ranger at December 01, 2022 12:50 PM (c8W7l)

Samsung kit is full of bloat, privacy violations, and constant ads. I'm with you and was tired of apple so I got an S9+ but it's getting just as bad. And I don't know what the solution is.

Posted by: banana Dream at December 01, 2022 12:56 PM (hwaFC)

240 23 TikTok app openly ravages whatever they can get off your phone. It's really a national security issue. Some pols have noticed but little is done.
Posted by: gourmand du jour, now with 50% less content at December 01, 2022 12:51 PM (jTmQV)

US officials are too busy sucking China dick for graft to do anything about it. Plus trannies heavily use TikTok to proselytize to kids, so that's yet another reason the feds won't go after it.

Posted by: Too many groomers and grifters at December 01, 2022 12:56 PM (V6LRK)

241 I buy nothing Android. That's Google. I fear Google more than I care about what Apple does.
Posted by: Jaimo at December 01, 2022 12:29 PM (DBrN4)

There are alternatives. There are Linux phones, and there is a defanged fork of Android out there. But you might suffer a little inconvenience. Me, I use a flip phone. It works. I have computers for internettery.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 01, 2022 12:56 PM (tkR6S)

242 > Basically, the more OS'es you maintain, the bigger the pita on actual physical machines. That is why virtual machines are becoming so popular but they gobble memory and storage space.

Containers have been the new hotness for a while now. It's a similar but improved technology. Basically instead of having an entire OS and hardware layer for each VM, a container lets you share some of those resources while still maintaining separation.

Posted by: bonhomme at December 01, 2022 12:56 PM (eyxn4)

243 "No reason that any IT person would have issues getting them to work with Linux and Windows. Posted by: Notsothoreau"

I'll take your word for it, because I've been retired for so long, I haven't had to deal with those issues forever.

Posted by: Peel gp A Grape at December 01, 2022 12:57 PM (24fqN)

244 227 Posted by: Grimmy at December 01, 2022 12:49 PM (6vPrf

I am assuming it doesn't work the other way around . State department supporters of a Republican President trying to sabotage a Democrat administration. Would that be a correct assumption?
Posted by: polynikes at December 01, 2022 12:51 PM

You'd never know, because you'd never meet them. At high levels of most federal agencies (but below the top appointed leaders), it's almost exclusively lefties. Any conservative underlings keep their mouths shut and politics secret.

Posted by: Grimmy at December 01, 2022 12:57 PM (6vPrf)

245 If you can't see the difference, you're a moron.

Posted by: bonhomme at December 01, 2022 12:53 PM (eyxn4)

Take it easy, was just being silly.

And it is already well established that I am not real bright. I accurately assess myself at "two steps above drooling on myself."

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at December 01, 2022 12:57 PM (M1eCb)

246 "Some Jewish people are in positions of power and are working against your best interest" IS NOT THE SAME as "the Jews control everything."

If you can't see the difference, you're a moron.
Posted by: bonhomme at December 01, 2022 12:53 PM (eyxn4)
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They say that about Soros, despite that you can construct from his own words that he WANTs to destroy economies.

Posted by: Axeman at December 01, 2022 12:57 PM (krQz2)

247 Duranty Duranty
____________

Hungry Like A Mrs. Callabash.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at December 01, 2022 12:57 PM (lf83v)

248
And I don't know what the solution is.
Posted by: banana Dream at December 01, 2022 12:56 PM (hwaFC)

Break up the tech companies. By law or by force.

But that would baaaaaad, as I'm frequently reminded by the sheep. That would have economic consequences, and you might not be able to GPS your way around for like, a year or something.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 01, 2022 12:57 PM (oINRc)

249 I thought Duranty Duranty did that Inka-Dinka-Doo song.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 01, 2022 12:55 PM (pmT/d)

Kicked the bucket.

Posted by: Napoleon XIV at December 01, 2022 12:58 PM (AiZBA)

250 I accurately assess myself at "two steps above drooling on myself."
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at December 01, 2022 12:57 PM (M1eCb

Take it easy, smarty pants, nobody likes a braggart.

Posted by: Still at December 01, 2022 12:58 PM (V6LRK)

251 209 I'd get an Android/Apple alternative if it had the features I need. Lineage isn't there. It might get there, though, and if it does I'm off those platforms.

Or a Muskphone, if the privacy model is acceptable. A third player can't hurt, that's for sure.
Posted by: Joe Mannix
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A poster here used to make comments on his installation of Lineage on older Google Pixel models--Dr. (something or other). Lineage though by its very nature will ALWAYS be behind in tech versus Apple or Google simply because phones specs from manufacturers are built around those two. So, it takes awhile for volunteer techies to break down those idiosyncrasies in phone hardware and software applications by trial and error to ensure they work well enough for most people wanting to have a basic phone. The major drawback is the Google App Store and right now micro g is simply not there yet.

Apple's app market though is dying from Apple greed and Google's latest OS actually gives greater control over app permissions along tracking. It also allows you to fuzzify your location reported to apps making exact determinations difficult.

Posted by: whig at December 01, 2022 12:58 PM (bDjBG)

252 One more time.

I accurately assess myself at "two steps above drooling on myself."
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at December 01, 2022 12:57 PM (M1eCb

Take it easy, smarty pants, nobody likes a braggart.

Posted by: Still at drooling level at December 01, 2022 12:59 PM (V6LRK)

253 omitted any mention that the "AirDrop" feature, long relied on by protesters and dissidents,

Hey- remember the whole 'karmic retribution' thing. If you didn't read the fine print, whose fault is that?

Posted by: Tim Cook at December 01, 2022 12:59 PM (Sv58p)

254 Chinese dissidents now communicate by commenting in old threads after the NOOD. Nobody will see them there.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Set the Earth to fire and reshape it closer to the heart's desire at December 01, 2022 01:00 PM (+hI+T)

255 Samsung kit is full of bloat, privacy violations, and constant ads. I'm with you and was tired of apple so I got an S9+ but it's getting just as bad. And I don't know what the solution is.

*******

I have a friend who who transitioned to Samsung and he mentioned you can cut the bloat and lock the OS down via a few tricks and hacks, but have to ask him for details though

Posted by: The Unvaxed and Unmasked Ranger at December 01, 2022 01:00 PM (c8W7l)

256 > I dunno what it is, but some people are really taken with whatever the pick up on the internet. I've had to deprogram a few people, who should have been smarter, on the whole fire doesn't melt steel thing.

People will defer to others who demonstrate some level of expertise in an area in which they know they are inexpert. In the case of "fire can't melt steel," someone can do a flawed physical demonstration, then show you real numbers that show the melting point of steel and the flame temp of a map gas torch or the flame temp of aircraft fuel.

What they don't know is that another expert can come along and tear all of that apart by demonstrating that metal can turn into play-doh at a much lower temperature than the melting point of steel.

Posted by: bonhomme at December 01, 2022 01:01 PM (eyxn4)

257 Twitter remembers. From Powerline:

https://tinyurl.com/4a9fpy92

Posted by: Javems at December 01, 2022 01:01 PM (r/d3+)

258 201 yup. The thing that continues to amaze me is that while KJP, Buttigieg, Harris and the others in this administration are diversity hires they are utterly incompetent at there jobs. While I'm sure that globalists think incompetence leads to success for their cause it will only lead to disaster. This has got to be the plan

Posted by: Smell the Glove at December 01, 2022 01:01 PM (mP+mW)

259 What phones are neither Apple nor Android?

Some hobbyists buy Android phones and install altered versions of Android or Linux phone OS. It's not for the average person, the performance is wonky, no support except for forums, and there is always the possibility of 'bricking' the phone.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 01, 2022 01:01 PM (IyrhE)

260 It's naked at this point. The need for investigations, regulatory interventions, and law enforcement actions has NOTHING to do with the good of the US or it's citizens. It's what is good for

THE PARTY

Posted by: mikethemoose at December 01, 2022 01:02 PM (ymDT5)

261 I had a flip phone until 2018. Someone who saw it said, “I thought only drug dealers had flip phones anymore.”

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 01, 2022 01:02 PM (pmT/d)

262 Apple's app market though is dying from Apple greed and Google's latest OS actually gives greater control over app permissions along tracking. It also allows you to fuzzify your location reported to apps making exact determinations difficult.
Posted by: whig at December 01, 2022 12:58 PM (bDjBG)
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Yup. Except actually getting better privacy is still very, very hard on Android (and deliberately so). I just had to get a new phone and Lineage will not work - I have apps I must use for work, and they aren't available other than for the Big Two. I spent probably 2-3 hours locking it down to the best of my ability, particularly in terms of the Google apps themselves.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 01, 2022 01:02 PM (t0OGg)

263

I heard the very accomplished and intelligent black Haitian lesbian spokesthey say some white guys won the Noble Prize.

Only the best smartest.

Posted by: Dr.Rev. Senator Your Highness E Buzz Miller, Esq PhD MA MS at December 01, 2022 01:02 PM (XnbJC)

264 Containers have been the new hotness for a while now. It's a similar but improved technology. Basically instead of having an entire OS and hardware layer for each VM, a container lets you share some of those resources while still maintaining separation. Posted by: bonhomme

Thanks for the update on technology. Given what you told me, containers would be the way to go if you want to run a bunch of operating systems for development and modern cpus, storage, and memory can do it.

But, it is easier for me to simply use different computers with new technology albeit with dual booting as I refresh the home models on about a three year rolling basis.

For a home user, that is about the sweet spot of cost versus benefit because software including drivers lags hardware advances by at least 12 to 18 months. More if you rely on open source operating systems.

Posted by: whig at December 01, 2022 01:03 PM (bDjBG)

265 > Take it easy, was just being silly.

Sorry. I was here yesterday when some genuine holocaust denier, "I'm not saying no Jews died, I'm just saying it was an order of magnitude less than the official number" BS was being spread around.

That stuff gets my goat.

Posted by: bonhomme at December 01, 2022 01:03 PM (eyxn4)

266 Tim Cook: "China aligns perfectly with Apple's values."

How about the one where they outlawed boy bands that were a little too faggy, Tim? How'd that one go over with ya?

Posted by: red speck at December 01, 2022 01:03 PM (gS3OW)

267 What would Marcus Lafayette do?

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at December 01, 2022 01:04 PM (lf83v)

268 She wanted to know why the Biden White House -- and Biden himself, in fact -- had all but declared Elon Musk a National Security Threat and ordered a Deep State probe of him because he wasn't imposing the left's totalitarian censorship regime, but had offered absolutely no criticism or government scrutiny of Apple, despite it now being officially part of the Communist China Secret Police apparatus.

==

I can't help but wonder how differently WWII would've turned out had America's politicians of the day been the same miserable commu-leftists polluting every branch, every bureaucracy, every inch of D.C. right now.

Posted by: Lady in Black at December 01, 2022 01:04 PM (sVtYq)

269 255 I have a friend who who transitioned...

Me too, girlfriend! They're part of the Department of Energy now! They ran into a little trouble recently over a luggage mix up, but we'll get it all cleared up!

...to Samsung ...

Oh.

Posted by: Admiral Levine at December 01, 2022 01:04 PM (6vPrf)

270 Chinese dissidents now communicate by commenting in old threads after the NOOD. Nobody will see them there.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Set the Earth to fire and reshape it closer to the heart's desire at December 01, 2022 01:00 PM (+hI+T)

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Pixy is a Chinese agent!

Posted by: ShainS -- The Humiliation is Part of the Kink at December 01, 2022 01:05 PM (Ce/f8)

271 Yup. Except actually getting better privacy is still very, very hard on Android (and deliberately so). I just had to get a new phone and Lineage will not work - I have apps I must use for work, and they aren't available other than for the Big Two. I spent probably 2-3 hours locking it down to the best of my ability, particularly in terms of the Google apps themselves. Posted by: Joe Mannix
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That is the stone cold bitch as custom apps or even requiring the latest version of a Google/Apple app can be a killer for alternative software.

Takes awhile for the volunteers to get around those barriers and by then the app developers have moved on to new versions.

Posted by: whig at December 01, 2022 01:05 PM (bDjBG)

272 236 Apple needs to suffer for this, they have blood on their hands (as does Biden and this Administration).

Posted by: acethepug at December 01, 2022 12:55 PM (iPUDw)

Senator Mark Warner /spit/ said yesterday that it may not be a bad idea for the FedGov and the Senate to look into Musk's Twitter actions and his businesses, because Musk will go broke if China refuses to continue making batteries for Teslas. He did not say it in so many words, but strongly implied Musk is a slave of Xi Jinping.

OK, Mark, now do China and Tim Cook with his Apple devices.

Posted by: Gref at December 01, 2022 01:05 PM (AMIL/)

273 Sorry. I was here yesterday when some genuine holocaust denier, "I'm not saying no Jews died, I'm just saying it was an order of magnitude less than the official number" BS was being spread around.

No worries.

Besides, everyone knows it's the Free Masons that run the world.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at December 01, 2022 01:05 PM (M1eCb)

274 The way Martha MacCallum talks over John Kirby and poses and furrows her little brow is not useful.

Posted by: m at December 01, 2022 01:06 PM (GkGYg)

275 I had a flip phone until 2018. Someone who saw it said, “I thought only drug dealers had flip phones anymore.”

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 01, 2022 01:02 PM (pmT/d)

I had a crackberry until 2013

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at December 01, 2022 01:06 PM (OgrpQ)

276 "What would Marcus Lafayette do?
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot "

Call up his corpse?

Posted by: Barky McDogeaterface at December 01, 2022 01:06 PM (sn5EN)

277 Noooooooooooood! Wide view.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic, Ashli Babbitt/Rosanne Boyland at December 01, 2022 01:07 PM (zhLdt)

278 268
I can't help but wonder how differently WWII would've turned out had America's politicians of the day been the same miserable commu-leftists polluting every branch, every bureaucracy, every inch of D.C. right now.
Posted by: Lady in Black at December 01, 2022 01:04 PM

I mean...it was FDR. They WERE super-lefty commies. They were motivated to help commies fight Nazis, though, so it was okay.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at December 01, 2022 01:07 PM (6vPrf)

279 Chinese dissidents now communicate by commenting in old threads after the NOOD. Nobody will see them there.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Set the Earth to fire and reshape it closer to the heart's desire at December 01, 2022 01:00 PM (+hI+T)
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A lot of them are making unbelievable money at home on the internet!

Posted by: Axeman at December 01, 2022 01:07 PM (krQz2)

280 The thing that continues to amaze me is that while KJP, Buttigieg, Harris and the others in this administration are diversity hires they are utterly incompetent at there jobs. While I'm sure that globalists think incompetence leads to success for their cause it will only lead to disaster. This has got to be the plan
Posted by: Smell the Glove at December 01, 2022 01:01 PM (mP+mW)

Incompetent people are easily used as sock puppets, they can be trained to not make any decisions that are not approved ahead of time and can be manipulated.
I suspect Harris is having all the problems she is having because she is resistant to being led, or else she is a slow learner.

Posted by: Kindltot at December 01, 2022 01:08 PM (xhaym)

281 Rush used to be really big into Apple stuff. Presumably he wouldn’t be anymore if he were alive.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 01, 2022 12:48 PM (pmT/d)

A lot of cohesion of the actual conservatism community died with El Rushbo

Posted by: Doof at December 01, 2022 01:08 PM (ChAEn)

282 I can't help but wonder how differently WWII would've turned out had America's politicians of the day been the same miserable commu-leftists polluting every branch, every bureaucracy, every inch of D.C. right now.

Posted by: Lady in Black at December 01, 2022 01:04 PM

We would have lost WWII if happened now. Half of the Country would refuse to fight or to work 12 hour days to make the weapons necessary to fight the war. And they would pretty much be left alone by the government which would proclaim "peace in our time" agreements with Japan and Germany.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at December 01, 2022 01:08 PM (uNylN)

283
I'm seriously thinking of moving back to a flip-phone if anyone still makes them. I just wish one existed that didn't have text.

This whole "ya got a computer in your pocket, so none of your time is ever your own again" thing sucks.

It used to be that receiving corporate email and texts, etc., was a director-level thing and optional for others. NO MORE. Everyone is tethered to that desk unless they're out of range.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 01, 2022 01:08 PM (oINRc)

284 "When Alex Jones thinks you're going too far, you're pure crazy."

I get the feeling Kanye's mother started getting a little familiar with the Black Israelites prior and after the Kyrie Irving thing Kanye went down that rabbit hole. I'm sure the whole thing seems logical to him.

Posted by: lowandslow at December 01, 2022 01:08 PM (76Foq)

285 Did Marcus Lafayette date Alice de Tocqueville?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 01, 2022 01:09 PM (pmT/d)

286 I have a Pinephone and gave up on it. I have a Nokia Windows phone but it's only 3g so the networks don't support it.

I now have an $80 Android with gooble play and everything else google turned off and Brave sideloaded and it works pretty well.
Posted by: fd at December 01, 2022 12:54 PM (sn5EN)

Would you consider selling the Pinephone, if it still works?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 01, 2022 01:10 PM (tkR6S)

287 I had a crackberry until 2013
Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at December 01, 2022 01:06 PM (OgrpQ)

I sure wish they could get a do-over.

Maybe that could be Musk's foundation for a new phone.

Always said BB need full screen on one side and BB UI on the other.

Posted by: Golfman at December 01, 2022 01:11 PM (wvzjK)

288 Never bought an Apple product in my life and never will. Didn't like their cool-kid attitude from the beginning.

Posted by: Ordinary American at December 01, 2022 01:12 PM (H8QX8)

289
He's another Obama lackey. At least he doesn't wear his uniform with all the medals anymore. ��
Posted by: Jane D'oh

Yeah, another freak Admiral.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 01, 2022 01:12 PM (63Dwl)

290 Would you consider selling the Pinephone, if it still works?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 01, 2022 01:10 PM (tkR6S)

*elbows in front of AOP and bats my eyelashes*

Posted by: Emmie at December 01, 2022 01:13 PM (Emce2)

291 The internet is the problem, not Apple. We let governments take control of it. And then they made us dependent on it.

If Apple hadn't done what they did, then the Chicom government would have shut the whole internet down. Every phone and computer that's connected is at the mercy of tech and government censorship .

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at December 01, 2022 01:13 PM (BdMk6)

292 281 Rush used to be really big into Apple stuff. Presumably he wouldn’t be anymore if he were alive. Posted by: Bulgaroctonus

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The issue is that learning curves are steep and people naturally resist learning new stuff for basic operations over and over again. Techies may get excited about the latest hardware gizmos etc or Wayland v. X11 graphics but most people just want their shit to work. But, software and hardware companies will die profit wise if they cannot get people to upgrade, sell them support, or lock them in via proprietary means like IBM did and still does for legacy big iron systems.

Posted by: whig at December 01, 2022 01:15 PM (bDjBG)

293 280 The thing that continues to amaze me is that while KJP, Buttigieg, Harris and the others in this administration are diversity hires they are utterly incompetent at there jobs. While I'm sure that globalists think incompetence leads to success for their cause it will only lead to disaster. This has got to be the plan
Posted by: Smell the Glove at December 01, 2022 01:01 PM (mP+mW)

Incompetent people are easily used as sock puppets, they can be trained to not make any decisions that are not approved ahead of time and can be manipulated.
I suspect Harris is having all the problems she is having because she is resistant to being led, or else she is a slow learner.

Posted by: Kindltot at December 01, 2022 01:08 PM (xhaym)

All KJP does is mindlessly read talking points from her notebook. If nothing is in there about a topic, she has sort-of learned to say "I'll talk to our people working on that and get back to you," instead of, "Umm, well, I'm not finding anything new about that in my briefing book."

Her demeanor has morphed from frequent confusion and defensiveness into a near-Psaki level of total condescension and lecturing.

Posted by: Gref at December 01, 2022 01:16 PM (AMIL/)

294 That is the stone cold bitch as custom apps or even requiring the latest version of a Google/Apple app can be a killer for alternative software.

Takes awhile for the volunteers to get around those barriers and by then the app developers have moved on to new versions.
Posted by: whig at December 01, 2022 01:05 PM (bDjBG)

What if you don't use apps? Any app. Just use the fucker to make and receive phone calls, and to browse the Internet when sitting in a cafe?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 01, 2022 01:16 PM (tkR6S)

295 Would you consider selling the Pinephone, if it still works?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

Canada still has 3g cell service? I think the drop dead date for most US service plans if not all is January 2023 or so.

Had to change out some older cell based alarm systems for my parents and it took a new cell modem board to do it.

Posted by: whig at December 01, 2022 01:17 PM (bDjBG)

296 Canada still has 3g cell service? I think the drop dead date for most US service plans if not all is January 2023 or so.

Had to change out some older cell based alarm systems for my parents and it took a new cell modem board to do it.
Posted by: whig at December 01, 2022 01:17 PM (bDjBG)

No, they are dropping 3G, too. But I thought recent iterations of Pinephone supported 4g/5G?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 01, 2022 01:20 PM (tkR6S)

297 Thought it got quiet in here. There is a nood.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 01, 2022 01:21 PM (tkR6S)

298 I loved Apple. The hardware was durable and a pleasure to use. The software worked just as well for my purposes as MS stuff. As far as expense, my Apple devices required no repairs or replacements, so I came out way ahead of my colleagues with their Windows machines.

Then Apple decided to break my phone with that fake "unhealthy battery" update. They moved stuff to the cloud that shouldn't have to be there and messed up our subscription, introducing maddening glitches.

I would love to find a better alternative, but it seems Apple is milking the marketing plan of "we stink 5% less than the other guys!"

Posted by: Emmie at December 01, 2022 01:25 PM (Emce2)

299 What if you don't use apps? Any app. Just use the fucker to make and receive phone calls, and to browse the Internet when sitting in a cafe?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
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Depends on what degree you feel your privacy needs to be protected. To turn on a phone, it will send information to the local cell tower as to the id of the phone, cell network permissions, and so on--it is possible to clone an existing phone but it is pretty obvious with any use of it what has happened in a short time. Want to browse the internet, even using a VPN, the information passes through multiple hands and some of that is location data buried in websites. Even flip phones can be tracked. And there is strong suggestions that cellphones that are off still emit tracking information now and again. Plus there is every indication they can remotely turn on and off your phone, mikes, and cameras if so desired.

There are ways to sidestep a lot of it and countermeasures used by govt agencies if they really want to track you. Want to keep privacy in this day and age--I advise being a hermit in the woods like crazy Ted K.

Posted by: whig at December 01, 2022 01:25 PM (bDjBG)

300 No, they are dropping 3G, too. But I thought recent iterations of Pinephone supported 4g/5G?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

They do. Dunno if you can upgrade an older phone or if there is a tradein value for it.

Posted by: whig at December 01, 2022 01:26 PM (bDjBG)

301 I still have my plain old galaxy 10. No plan to upgrade, I use it for texts, occasional pictures, check my mail. I don't need apple, prestige brand, or frills.

I don't splurge on prestige brands, at all. Never have.

Posted by: CN at December 01, 2022 01:57 PM (Zzbjj)

302 There are only two reasons I use an iPhone: better battery life, and longer security updates to the OS. The combination let's me go 5-7 years between phone replacement, instead of 3-4 for an Android phone. The last time I compared phones (unlocked), the phone price was comparable. I can use the iPhone longer.

If an American or South Korean phone maker guaranteed 6 years of OS updates, I'd switch.- especially if I can use a Windows or Linux PC to write apps for it.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at December 01, 2022 01:58 PM (oGiDo)

303 But, but, but, but, the Biden Family is not in the pocket of the Chinese Communist Party. That’s Russian Disinformation.

This^^^ is according to the USA’s “Intelligence Agencies” and “News” Media.

In case you don’t get it. The American People are F@CKED!

You may not like it, just like you may not like getting a colonoscopy every day for the rest of your earthly life, but it doesn’t change the reality.

Posted by: Dummy #43 at December 01, 2022 02:07 PM (U2W4Y)

304 Oh, I would drop my iPhone in a hot minute if there was a better alternative. But Google and its Android phones? Eff no.

Posted by: Dummy #43 at December 01, 2022 02:10 PM (U2W4Y)

305 Yet biden's SEC silently approved twatters sale to musk by doing nothing. They could have said nope, not a legal sale and tied musk up in court for years but they didn't.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at December 01, 2022 12:15 PM (uNylN)
==
But there is a small problem that some red state AGs have the admin by the balls with their techie friends. Adding to the pounding they are going to take there, and on a point where 5 of the justices of the SCOTUS are absolutely enraged with the FJB WH, they had no basis upon which to protest the sale. It would just create another case for them to lose.

Posted by: Black JEM at December 01, 2022 02:10 PM (UVyKP)

306 Kirby is right about Twitter - the situations aren't even remotely similar. Twitter can be bullied by the US. Apple cannot.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 01, 2022 12:31 PM (oINRc)
==
Partly true - partly not. As China continues swirling down the proverbial toilet, Apple is very exposed to what is happening. They have recently begun exploring options in India. But China can shut Apple down at the moment, because Apple is so dependent upon them within their supply chain. This is going to cost Apple huuuuge amounts of money to pull out, which they have. But it will tap their cash as nothing has before. Most Apple investors think it will be OK. Most Apple investors are wrong.

Posted by: Black JEM at December 01, 2022 02:18 PM (UVyKP)

307 Sooooo...... Is Elon Musk going to leapfrog all the terrestrial based phone technology and introduce a complete satellite based phone and service? Could that be the end of Apple?

Posted by: DFCtomm at December 01, 2022 02:37 PM (OHy0b)

308 Kirby is another scumbag whose entire military service is a cover. He went to a military academy, then spent his entire career being a f'n pres secretary for various departments, then he gets bumped up to Admiral despite being nothing but a worthless propagandist.

I get the military needs great minds to lead, as well as those who are boots on the ground, but no one should reach since of the highest echelons for being nothing more than a media talking head.

Posted by: Rbastid at December 01, 2022 03:17 PM (xSRCK)

309 Twitters under new ownership and the Turkey(Biden)wants the Twitter Bird back in his cage

Posted by: Tamaa the Drogo Bird at December 01, 2022 06:10 PM (wGqjj)

310 Because Apple is doing the exact same thing for the US government that it's doing for China. They see Apple's actions as a feature, not a bug.

They are losing that control over Twitter, so it makes them nervous. They want Twitter and Apple to do whatever governments tell them to do. Apple is still "on the reservation".

Therein lies your distinction.

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