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The Morning Rant: Minimalist Edition

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If the conservative movement in America has learned one thing, it should be that we cannot trust our political leaders, no matter how aligned with our own beliefs their rhetoric seems. Judge them by their actions. Nothing else.

It is an unavoidable reality in today's political playing field that success requires huge amounts of money. Donald Trump needs money; Ron Desantis needs money; Chuck Schumer and Alexandra Donkey-Chompers need money. And they don't particularly care from where it comes.

Are they bought? Who knows? Once again: judge them by their actions, not their rhetoric. Donald Trump's soaring rhetoric during the 2016 presidential election was wonderful, in particular about gun control. Did he act on it? No. In fact, the bump stock ban came from his administration. Was he bought by the American gun control industry? Probably not. Was his program of tariffs a result of donations from domestic industries? Who knows, but it aligned with his rhetoric...what people wanted to hear, so nobody paid any attention to those donations.

As some guy named "Ace" said...

Was Trump "bought" by Schwarzman? I wouldn't claim that. But I have a sneaking suspicion that if Schwarzman backs Ron DeSantis, people will claim that Schwartzman has bought DeSantis, even if he gives DeSantis less money than he gave to Trump.

Trump did not self-finance. And he did not raise money "just from small donors." He did raise a lot of money from small donors, but he took a lot of money from mega-donors. I'd like to start hearing some nuance in the "if you take money you're 'bought'" arguments explaining how one donation can buy someone but another donation leaves another man -- Trump -- completely un-bought. I'd just like to hear how that works.


Now, there is a powerful rebuttal to Ace's argument...that Trump is independently wealthy and doesn't need outside donations to maintain his current life. But that presupposes a level of corruption in others that simply isn't borne out by the facts. And it ignores the huge cost of running a national or even a state-wide campaign.

There is enough evidence about both men that they have acted counter to the obvious corporate interests in so many ways that it seems disingenuous to suggest that those moneyed interests are getting quid pro quo.

Just because Donald Trump is the dominant paradigm doesn't mean that there is no one else who can be successful in furthering the interests of the American people and pushing back against the neo-Marxists and the globalists. Being blind to alternatives and tarring those alternatives with the brush of corruption -- without any objective evidence -- is jingoistic and unbecoming of thinking people.

What is important is finding the most conservative and America-loving politician we can. And then getting him elected. Because the politician whose values and ideas align perfectly with ours (which never happens anyway), who then loses, is not a rational option.

Posted by: CBD at 11:00 AM




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1 Howdy CBD!

Posted by: Doof at November 17, 2022 11:00 AM (ChAEn)

2 and so it begins

Posted by: that guy that always thinks it's beginning at November 17, 2022 11:01 AM (yQpMk)

3 Corgis called

Posted by: rickb223 at November 17, 2022 11:01 AM (tfjlC)

4 hiya

Posted by: JT at November 17, 2022 11:02 AM (T4tVD)

5 and so it begins
Posted by: that guy that always thinks it's beginning at November 17, 2022 11:01 AM (yQpMk)


You asked for it!
https://youtu.be/UtGjJVcrKQU

Posted by: Doof at November 17, 2022 11:02 AM (ChAEn)

6 Ohio is moving to ban Trans meds and operations for Kids (Good) and about time.

Florida will not have a any State wide Democrats for the first time since the 1873

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at November 17, 2022 11:03 AM (wje8c)

7 Conservative and America-loving sure.

But will also bully and insult the media every chance he gets.

Posted by: XTC at November 17, 2022 11:03 AM (UnA8+)

8 I'd like to start hearing some nuance in the "if you take money you're 'bought'" arguments explaining how one donation can buy someone but another donation leaves another man -- Trump -- completely un-bought. I'd just like to hear how that works.

Nah, it's more fun to just slam anyone who takes any money...unless his name is Trump.

Being blind to alternatives and tarring those alternatives with the brush of corruption -- without any objective evidence -- is jingoistic and unbecoming of thinking people.

Personally, I'd look with favor on someone who took the money and then told the donor to get f***ed.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 17, 2022 11:03 AM (eOEVl)

9 Lincoln Project, Jeb Bush, Paul Ryan, RedState, and AllahPundit all agree with this statement.

Posted by: mossomo at November 17, 2022 11:04 AM (pky95)

10 7 Conservative and America-loving sure.

But will also bully and insult the media every chance he gets.
Posted by: XTC at November 17, 2022 11:03 AM (UnA8+)

Note that I'm saying that someone who won't fight the media probably isn't tough enough.

Posted by: XTC at November 17, 2022 11:04 AM (UnA8+)

11 I'll vote for either man. But anyone who doesn't have a plan for replacing the voters that will only turn out for Trump is gonna run headlong into Dave in Fla's nic line. I'd love to see anyone but the current idiots in charge. It's completely NOT up to me.

Posted by: Catherine at November 17, 2022 11:04 AM (RZmWs)

12 >>>Sidebar: I'd like to start hearing some nuance in the "if you take money you're 'bought'" arguments explaining how one donation can buy someone but another donation leaves another man -- Trump -- completely un-bought. I'd just like to hear how that works.

I got your nuance right here, pal. /s


Did Trump take the funds as a condition to throw in his hat and destroy his own populist movement that says America and Americans should be first priority in their government - the one that he kind of started and led? That seems to be a bit of a ridiculous position. Billionaires are Americans and deserve a seat at the table with the rest of Americans; not the only seat.

Did DeSantis? Do some people want to head down the same path as the Tea Party? Do some people want to be fooled again? All these seem to be open questions.

Posted by: flounder at November 17, 2022 11:04 AM (6uSvh)

13 Howdy CBD!

Posted by: Doof at November 17, 2022 11:00 AM (ChAEn)

Good morning!

What was your breakfast bourbon today?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 17, 2022 11:04 AM (XIJ/X)

14 What is important is finding the most conservative and America-loving politician we can. And then getting him elected. Because the politician whose values and ideas align perfectly with ours (which never happens anyway), who then loses, is not a rational option.
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And then the other side of it: hold him accountable. That is the part that fails and it fails for various reasons.

The people who say one thing and then do another should be primaried out of office after a single term.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 17, 2022 11:05 AM (t0OGg)

15 If it even gets to the SC primary, I think I'll probably vote for DeSantis.

I just don't think it's going to get that far.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, drinking whiskey and getting into fights with Sam Peckinpah at November 17, 2022 11:05 AM (LvTSG)

16 Personally, I'd look with favor on someone who took the money and then told the donor to get f***ed.

Unless that donor was me. But let's be real here. The chances of that happening are slim, unless you're one of the disposable little people, and your name begins with Mc. That's why I've said that I would really like to see DeS take the money from Schwarzmann or whomever, say thank you very much, and then immediately vote against one of Schwarzmann's pet causes.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 17, 2022 11:06 AM (eOEVl)

17 hiya

Posted by: JT at November 17, 2022 11:02 AM (T4tVD)

You know the rule!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 17, 2022 11:06 AM (XIJ/X)

18 Conservative and America-loving sure.

But will also bully and insult the media every chance he gets.

Posted by: XTC at November 17, 2022 11:03 AM (UnA8+)

Both of them are pretty good at that.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 17, 2022 11:06 AM (XIJ/X)

19 Good morning!

What was your breakfast bourbon today?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 17, 2022 11:04 AM (XIJ/X)


Had some Michter's small batch while hanging out on the ONT last night. I did have some after midnight so I guess that counts as breakfast??

Posted by: Doof at November 17, 2022 11:07 AM (ChAEn)

20 I also think that the federal government is a lost cause and on borrowed time.

Our attention as conservatives needs to be making sure that the governments closest to us will be the guarantors of liberty that the federal government won't be.

Sheriffs who will refuse unconstitutional state laws against 10-round-plus magazines, like in CO. Governors who refuse federal observers in obviously clean elections. School boards that aren't interested in cutting off your kids' dicks.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, drinking whiskey and getting into fights with Sam Peckinpah at November 17, 2022 11:07 AM (LvTSG)

21 I am beginning to think that Chapek is deliberately trying to destroy Disney. Either that or he just does not understand how anything works.

https://tinyurl.com/2mk4vpyy

Disney World in Orlando says it will now be raising the price of park admission to as high as $189 per day.

The price hike comes amid CEO Bob Chapek announcing layoffs, a targeted hiring freeze, and limiting company travel as part of sweeping cost-cutting moves.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 17, 2022 11:07 AM (Ivdso)

22 It is an unavoidable reality in today's political playing field that success requires huge amounts of money. Donald Trump needs money; Ron Desantis needs money...And they don't particularly care from where it comes.

Are they bought? Who knows?


That's why we need publicly financed campaigns! That will take all the corruption out of the system, help 3rd parties flourish, and save democracy!

Big business out of politics (unless it's major social media, unions, black churches...basically anyone suppressing conservative messaging and turning out Dem voters).

Posted by: Bernie Bot NPC at November 17, 2022 11:08 AM (JCZqz)

23 No shit. (Todd Young, im looking at YOU. Traitor)

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at November 17, 2022 11:08 AM (3Or4S)

24 Drive time

Posted by: Skip's phone at November 17, 2022 11:08 AM (WMLMF)

25 16 Unless that donor was me. But let's be real here. The chances of that happening are slim, unless you're one of the disposable little people, and your name begins with Mc. That's why I've said that I would really like to see DeS take the money from Schwarzmann or whomever, say thank you very much, and then immediately vote against one of Schwarzmann's pet causes.
Posted by: Archimedes at November 17, 2022 11:06 AM (eOEVl)

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"As they say around the Texas Legislature, if you can't drink their whiskey, screw their women, take their money, and vote against 'em anyway, you don't belong in office."
-Molly Ivins, American hero

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, drinking whiskey and getting into fights with Sam Peckinpah at November 17, 2022 11:08 AM (LvTSG)

26 I am beginning to think that Chapek is deliberately trying to destroy Disney. Either that or he just does not understand how anything works.


I think he knows exactly what he's doing. He'll keep raising prices to the point that it keeps the riff raff out. He's a typical lefty.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 17, 2022 11:09 AM (eOEVl)

27 hiya

Posted by: JT at November 17, 2022 11:02 AM (T4tVD)

You know the rule!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

No hiyas on Thursday ?

Posted by: JT at November 17, 2022 11:09 AM (T4tVD)

28 What is important is finding the most conservative and America-loving politician we can. And then getting him elected.
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Yea. (Or getting her elected, too.)

Posted by: Lola at November 17, 2022 11:09 AM (NIYa7)

29 8
I'll go one further: I have no objection to candidates taking money from big business. I'm pro-business. But only big business that minds it own business and doesn't push a woke or pro-amnesty agendas.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at November 17, 2022 11:10 AM (vNbzm)

30 Disney World in Orlando says it will now be raising the price of park admission to as high as $189 per day.
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He knows the value of the dollar is going to tank, and most of his business is going to be foreigners anyway. It almost is now.

Posted by: He's knows his appeal is becoming more selective at November 17, 2022 11:11 AM (4ckqv)

31 Pence stumped for money 'to defend Trump' and like a chump, i gave some up. I believe i was defrauded. Anyone have that fuqer's address where i can send a refund request?

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at November 17, 2022 11:11 AM (3Or4S)

32 Maybe JT has taken a speed reading course and read the commentary before he posted.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 17, 2022 11:11 AM (vH/6k)

33 I'll go one further: I have no objection to candidates taking money from big business. I'm pro-business. But only big business that minds it own business and doesn't push a woke or pro-amnesty agendas.

Yes, but only AFTER he's made it plain that money does not equal influence.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 17, 2022 11:12 AM (eOEVl)

34 Trump beat the machine once and got it stolen by the machine once and a good part of the machine is the GOPe

and if Ron doesn't kowtow to the GOPe , they will work against him too. And then you got the equivalent to Mutt or McLame. And then you lose the base and then you lose

who has the GOP nominees been since RR ? And we all realize now that the Bushes were just well diguised dims

a bunch of inside dopes

being a human means you can reason these things out and not resort to trial an error

Posted by: REDACTED at November 17, 2022 11:13 AM (us2H3)

35
Molly Ivins, American hero
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, drinking whiskey and getting into fights with Sam Peckinpah

___________

*polite cough*

I had no use for Molly Ivins, a fraud, a plagiarist and a bitter-end Leftie.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 17, 2022 11:13 AM (MoZTd)

36 30
He knows the value of the dollar is going to tank, and most of his business is going to be foreigners anyway. It almost is now.
Posted by: He's knows his appeal is becoming more selective at November 17, 2022 11:11 AM

If we open the borders to illegal immigrants, we'll increase our target demographic by millions a year!!! It's a sure fire winning bet, just like remaking all our previously successful superheroes as LGBTQ+ women of color!

Posted by: Bob Chapek at November 17, 2022 11:13 AM (JCZqz)

37 >>>What is important is finding the most conservative and America-loving politician we can. And then getting him elected.

While that may have been important, 20, maybe even 10 years ago, now, I view that as mostly wishful thinking. It might not have been before they stole one, then two elections, before they inflated the crap out of our currency, before they laid bare the oligarchy, and before they proved that we are a post law society, that the social contract is dead.

There will need to be a whole lot of destruction to get those latter two back - the political will for which is zero - before it is important again to find the most conservative and America-loving politician we can.

Posted by: flounder at November 17, 2022 11:13 AM (6uSvh)

38 There are two competing narratives that I think are dumb.

1) Trump took many from mega-donors. As Jack Straw has been point out, that is only true for the general in 2016 and for 2020. He self financed his primary campaign. He isn't beholden to donors.

2) DeSantis is a tool of the establishment. This is nonsense. Everyone has quickly forgotten how DeSantis went against every establishment advice on Covid, CRT, grooming, election reform, etc. DeSantis will make decisions based on his best interests, not the desires of the donors.

Posted by: Dave in Fla (there is no path to 270) at November 17, 2022 11:13 AM (5p7BC)

39 I've checked Ace's findings on the use the Qwant search engine. I searched with the Brave engine for "Infogalactic," which is a wiki much less affected by leftist censorship than is Wikipedia. I got links *about* Infogalactic, but no link to it.

Switch to Qwant: Infogalactic.com is the first result.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at November 17, 2022 11:14 AM (J2vNu)

40 23
(Todd Young, im looking at YOU. Traitor)

My kids thought it was funny how I voiced disgust every time a Re-elect Todd Young commercial came on.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at November 17, 2022 11:14 AM (vNbzm)

41 The price hike comes amid CEO Bob Chapek announcing layoffs, a targeted hiring freeze, and limiting company travel as part of sweeping cost-cutting moves.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 17, 2022 11:07 AM (Ivdso)

Bob Chipeska > Bob Chapek

Posted by: Bad Santa at November 17, 2022 11:14 AM (wpHwF)

42 and if Ron doesn't kowtow to the GOPe , they will work against him too. And then you got the equivalent to Mutt or McLame. And then you lose the base and then you lose


True, they will, but what we learned from Trump was that in the end, they can't prevent people from choosing the candidate they want. They're grifters, not gods.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 17, 2022 11:14 AM (eOEVl)

43 35 *polite cough*

I had no use for Molly Ivins, a fraud, a plagiarist and a bitter-end Leftie.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 17, 2022 11:13 AM (MoZTd)

========

I should have attributed it to Jesse Unruh.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, drinking whiskey and getting into fights with Sam Peckinpah at November 17, 2022 11:14 AM (LvTSG)

44 WOR710 in NY which has some conservative hosts, had a video on Mark Simone's website with Pence saying there were election irregularities in 2020 and supporting a gathering at the capitol on January 6. The video has since been removed. What a surprise!!/s Mark Simone points out that this is what Pence did and he hasn't been canned yet.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 17, 2022 11:14 AM (vH/6k)

45 21 I am beginning to think that Chapek is deliberately trying to destroy Disney. Either that or he just does not understand how anything works.

https://tinyurl.com/2mk4vpyy

Disney World in Orlando says it will now be raising the price of park admission to as high as $189 per day.

The price hike comes amid CEO Bob Chapek announcing layoffs, a targeted hiring freeze, and limiting company travel as part of sweeping cost-cutting moves.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 17, 2022 11:07 AM (Ivdso)

Disney is in big trouble, Disney plus is a money sucking loser, Wakanda Forever (stinks) Strange World the new Disney movie has of course a boy liking another boy in the film. and the New Santa Clause series I know they are going to pick a Black Santa because, even thought they brought back Tim Allen they can go screw,

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at November 17, 2022 11:15 AM (cxG4V)

46 I'll go one further: I have no objection to candidates taking money from big business. I'm pro-business. But only big business that minds it own business and doesn't push a woke or pro-amnesty agendas.
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The problem is that we have reached a stage where big business and government are giving each other reach arounds - but not only that - the big businesses have socio political goals, which give them more money and power at the expense of individual freedom, and market choices.

Posted by: Its Mussolini fascism at November 17, 2022 11:15 AM (HuxWS)

47 38 2) DeSantis is a tool of the establishment. This is nonsense. Everyone has quickly forgotten how DeSantis went against every establishment advice on Covid, CRT, grooming, election reform, etc. DeSantis will make decisions based on his best interests, not the desires of the donors.
Posted by: Dave in Fla (there is no path to 270) at November 17, 2022 11:13 AM (5p7BC)

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After watching so many promising Republicans at the state level completely fall apart once national donor money became involved (like with Scott Walker), I think the wariness is valid.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, drinking whiskey and getting into fights with Sam Peckinpah at November 17, 2022 11:15 AM (LvTSG)

48 He knows the value of the dollar is going to tank, and most of his business is going to be foreigners anyway. It almost is now.
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Yep. That dumpster fire Biden started on day 1 of the Junta is going to make some Americans a lot of money. The number 1 winner is the Loan Shark State - Delaware. I wonder why that is?

Posted by: Puddinhead at November 17, 2022 11:16 AM (tiR3O)

49 I don’t believe Schwartzman actually gave any money to Trump individually. He is a big GOP donor but I don’t think he has donated a penny directly to Trump.

Posted by: Eli Cash at November 17, 2022 11:16 AM (ggZgv)

50 What I find odd is that anyone thinks of any politician as a human person. All that money goes along with all those people who hang onto the corporate entity that is the politician's name.

So it doesn't matter if it's Trump or DeSantis or Nazi Pelosi or Frankenman or anybody, there are people in their corporation making choices, and lots of those choices are based on somebody putting money in somebody's hands.

So if you want to know who bought Trump, it's really not about Donald, it's about Trump Inc. Which is not an indictment of him, just the system they all operate in.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 17, 2022 11:16 AM (YV6PJ)

51 45 Disney is in big trouble, Disney plus is a money sucking loser, Wakanda Forever (stinks) Strange World the new Disney movie has of course a boy liking another boy in the film. and the New Santa Clause series I know they are going to pick a Black Santa because, even thought they brought back Tim Allen they can go screw,
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at November 17, 2022 11:15 AM (cxG4V)

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Disney is held up by their parks and their cruises more than their entertainment divisions...and Black Panther 2 just had the biggest November opening ever.

The rumors of Disney's death are greatly exaggerated.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, drinking whiskey and getting into fights with Sam Peckinpah at November 17, 2022 11:16 AM (LvTSG)

52 Short of making everything free for a candidate, money will always be a factor.

Posted by: NR Pax at November 17, 2022 11:17 AM (4olE8)

53 31 Pence stumped for money 'to defend Trump' and like a chump, i gave some up. I believe i was defrauded. Anyone have that fuqer's address where i can send a refund request?
Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at November 17, 2022 11:11 AM

I am very pleased to halp you, sir. Most kindly submit small procesing fee of $10.05 USD for our assistance in recovering funds.

Posted by: New Republican National Committee Fundraising Scheme at November 17, 2022 11:17 AM (JCZqz)

54 The right will not win until their voters demand the same level of professionalism from their full time party that the lunatic activist class gets from the DNC....

kind of like Britain's secret services in pre world war one frankly.

Posted by: sven at November 17, 2022 11:17 AM (Lzpvj)

55 After watching so many promising Republicans at the state level completely fall apart once national donor money became involved (like with Scott Walker), I think the wariness is valid.

Agree. That's why it's critical that DeS do something dramatic to make it plain that he can't be bought.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 17, 2022 11:18 AM (eOEVl)

56 21 I am beginning to think that Chapek is deliberately trying to destroy Disney. Either that or he just does not understand how anything works.

It would be so fun if that happens.

Posted by: Jack Squat Bupkis at November 17, 2022 11:18 AM (GD2xa)

57 DeSantis is a tool of the establishment. This is nonsense. Everyone has quickly forgotten how DeSantis went against every establishment advice on Covid, CRT, grooming, election reform, etc. DeSantis will make decisions based on his best interests, not the desires of the donors.
Posted by: Dave in Fla (there is no path to 270) at November 17, 2022 11:13 AM (5p7BC)

Everybody thought he wouldn't cross Disney with the Parental bill, He not only told them to pound sand he took away their special Status, I didn't think he would do that

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at November 17, 2022 11:18 AM (cxG4V)

58 I had no use for Molly Ivins, a fraud, a plagiarist and a bitter-end Leftie.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 17, 2022 11:13 AM (MoZTd)

Molly Ivins

the Nina Totenberg of TX

got no use for her

Posted by: REDACTED at November 17, 2022 11:19 AM (us2H3)

59 Unbecoming of thinking people.

Leftists on the other hand don't think. They emote.

Posted by: Minuteman at November 17, 2022 11:20 AM (LaNzR)

60 53 31 Pence stumped for money 'to defend Trump' and like a chump, i gave some up. I believe i was defrauded. Anyone have that fuqer's address where i can send a refund request?
Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at November 17, 2022 11:11 AM


I'm shocked, never figured you for a sucker

Posted by: REDACTED at November 17, 2022 11:20 AM (us2H3)

61 The cost to Trump was in the 300 lawsuits (no idea on the real number) he and his family faced, and the harassment by the federal government (and so many others).

But did he really not fund any of his own campaign, or not much? idk ... he flew his own plane around, but maybe he was reimbursed in full by donations?

Ivanka has stated she won't be involved in the politics this term, so maybe Trump got that (no more Manhattan liberal advisors) message. She was not even at his announcement, but Jared was.

Posted by: illiniwek at November 17, 2022 11:20 AM (Cus5s)

62 McConnell's PAC has $40,000,000 sitting unused today.
Enough to have overwhelmed every single Democrat who won a close election. Instead, he was tossing crumbs to even those he favored.
That's really bad, yeah? Skunked an easy layup intentionally.

But, how many more times that does Trump have sitting in his PAC?

You can say, "Trump is so brave, facing all the smears and giving up his life to serve as president." But, that's not what he values, is it? He's shown us what he values: Money. He's not giving any of that up, is he? He's hoarding his and yours ....

Put your money where your mouth is. His mouth is with us, his money is with him. I'll still vote for him, just so you know.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at November 17, 2022 11:20 AM (5EnGD)

63 51 Disney is held up by their parks and their cruises more than their entertainment divisions...and Black Panther 2 just had the biggest November opening ever.

The rumors of Disney's death are greatly exaggerated.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, drinking whiskey and getting into fights with Sam Peckinpah at November 17, 2022 11:16 AM

Disney stock is down about 43% in the last 12 months. Seems many people are concerned enough about Disney's future to put serious money on it.

Posted by: Money Moron at November 17, 2022 11:20 AM (JCZqz)

64 I said during Trump's first run, and term, forget what he says, watch what he does.

Me, I'm hoping for bloody revenge.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at November 17, 2022 11:21 AM (V6f9+)

65 I was listening to John Denver's Rocky Mountain High coming to work. Great voice, great song writer, great performer. And then I remembered he wore a fucking Dutch Boy haircut and the illusion disappeared. Grown men wearing Dutch Boy haircuts should be shunned or exiled. There is something wrong with this.

Posted by: Puddinhead at November 17, 2022 11:21 AM (tiR3O)

66 Weirdly, the 2022 election has shown that we no longer need the Party to get candidates that we want elected. Candidate quality who can appeal "to the independents, and won't scare the moderates" is a crock of shit.

If the Democrats can elect Fetterman, then it is stupid to think we need to try to appeal to anyone.

Outside money going and finding ballots to vote for our candidates is the wave of the future. To hell with the party, starve the RNC.

Posted by: Dave in Fla (there is no path to 270) at November 17, 2022 11:21 AM (5p7BC)

67 After watching so many promising Republicans at the state level completely fall apart once national donor money became involved (like with Scott Walker), I think the wariness is valid.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at November 17, 2022 11:15 AM (LvTSG)

Wariness is fine, as I explained in the post.

Assuming corruption without any evidence is stupid.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 17, 2022 11:22 AM (XIJ/X)

68 No one of prominence is calling for a general strike, why do you suppose that is?

Posted by: Not voting our way out at November 17, 2022 11:22 AM (1XmFF)

69 Agree. That's why it's critical that DeS do something dramatic to make it plain that he can't be bought.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 17, 2022 11:18 AM (eOEVl)

And not just calculating political theater designed to evoke just such an assessment.

Posted by: flounder at November 17, 2022 11:22 AM (6uSvh)

70 The banner ad dominating my AoSHQ front page right now is for snus.
Fancy.

Posted by: lowandslow at November 17, 2022 11:22 AM (qH6FZ)

71 65
"Grown men wearing Dutch Boy haircuts should be shunned or exiled.'

I'm dead. Is that good enough?

Posted by: John Denver at November 17, 2022 11:23 AM (vNbzm)

72 As Ace showed us, donations are not equal to corruption; a Schwartzman gift is not the same as "being bought".

But it certainly raises flags when your ideological opponents, like Google, write big checks to your ostensible Congressional "leadership", and those same politicos try to squelch all discussion of the donations.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 17, 2022 11:23 AM (B1a/Q)

73 64 I said during Trump's first run, and term, forget what he says, watch what he does.
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He now has a Kill List. Let loose the Kraken and feast on his kills. Currently, he is circling McConnell.

Posted by: Puddinhead at November 17, 2022 11:23 AM (tiR3O)

74 Why can't we nominate someone that I don't agree with 100% because he's too crazy?

Posted by: Oglebay at November 17, 2022 11:23 AM (wscPk)

75 I’ve gotten to the point where I just don’t believe it matters anymore.

As long as VBM exists no Republican that I’d support will ever again win a key swing state. 270 is unreachable even if Abe Lincoln himself rose from the dead and ran as the GOP standard bearer. The system is all those key states is now corrupt and rigged…

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at November 17, 2022 11:23 AM (xT8gx)

76 I'll go one further: I have no objection to candidates taking money from big business. I'm pro-business. But only big business that minds it own business and doesn't push a woke or pro-amnesty agendas.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at November 17, 2022 11:10 AM (vNbzm)

Good luck finding the "big business" that meets your criteria.

Most large businesses now know we're in a fascist system, and adjust accordingly, or die.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 17, 2022 11:23 AM (YV6PJ)

77 65 John Denver got his first flying lessons from John McCain.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at November 17, 2022 11:23 AM (lz5hY)

78 67 Wariness is fine, as I explained in the post.

Assuming corruption without any evidence is stupid.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 17, 2022 11:22 AM (XIJ/X)

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Personally, I'd probably vote for DeSantis in the primary. There's a conspiratorial mindset that's seeped into a lot of people's thinking, though. It's societally degrading and highly unfortunate. I won't call it unjustified, though.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, drinking whiskey and getting into fights with Sam Peckinpah at November 17, 2022 11:23 AM (LvTSG)

79 Trump "tried" to be an Establishment corporate whore, they just never accepted him into the club.

For example, making the corporation tax cuts "permanent" and the individual tax cuts expire. That's a perfect example of serving your corporate masters first. I still can't believe that went down.

Then there's the Import-Export bank that the Tea Party had finally got on the chopping block that he saved.

Posted by: Hylian at November 17, 2022 11:23 AM (dpIbY)

80 Disney is held up by their parks and their cruises more than their entertainment divisions...and Black Panther 2 just had the biggest November opening ever.

That's like saying that can of Spam was fresher than the pile of garbage nearby; almost nobody opens a major film in November, they did it specifically to be able to say "biggest November opening ever." Wakanda won't make a billion dollars, its not re-watchable.

I agree that Disney is not doomed, they have too good properties in the past and can always rely on that. But they made a lot of gambles that didn't pay off, and are suffering from alienating and annoying fans. Raising prices at their bedrock earners is not going to help matters.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 17, 2022 11:24 AM (Ivdso)

81 Leftists on the other hand don't think. They emote.

Posted by: Minuteman at November 17, 2022 11:20 AM (LaNzR)

Every time I hear the phrase, "I feel," my first thought is, "I don't give a shit how you feel...what are the facts?"

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 17, 2022 11:24 AM (XIJ/X)

82 Assuming corruption without any evidence is stupid.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 17, 2022 11:22 AM (XIJ/X)

As is assuming he won't GOPer on us. Right now, the look of GOPer tool to take out Trump is not a good look for him.

Posted by: flounder at November 17, 2022 11:24 AM (6uSvh)

83 I'd like to start hearing some nuance in the "if you take money you're 'bought'" arguments explaining how one donation can buy someone but another donation leaves another man -- Trump -- completely un-bought. I'd just like to hear how that works.


If you send $25 or $50, do you really expect to get the president's ear?

If I bundle $2.5 million or $5 million, yeah, THOSE donors expect to get the president's ear.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 17, 2022 11:24 AM (tfjlC)

84 I hold out hope on this fact:
In 2015, Jeb was the guaranteed nominee. Had the name recognition, a huge money advantage and every possible major endorsement. A couple other governors were speculated to run.
No one but no one had Trump even entering the race.

Maybe, just maybe, there's a repeat out there. Maybe the Sun blows up too. But, there it is and, until then, I'll support Trump.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at November 17, 2022 11:24 AM (5EnGD)

85 'because Donald Trump is the dominant paradigm doesn't mean that there is no one else who can be successful in furthering the interests of the American people and pushing back against the neo-Marxists and the globalists.'

uhm... Trump is the first since Reagan to stand up for us. That's why you guys drive me nuts with the "I didn't want a date with blonde ScarJo, I wanted a date with red-headed Scarjo" routine. Like we have choices? like we have time to find another Reagan?

I hope DeSantis is of that mold, but I was equally excited about Chris Cristir and Scott Walker in their time so I'm a bit jaded

Posted by: Fen6 at November 17, 2022 11:24 AM (PWS6Q)

86
I'm dead. Is that good enough?
Posted by: John Denver at November 17, 2022 11:23 AM (vNbzm)

_________

No

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 17, 2022 11:24 AM (MoZTd)

87 This is not the time to go on and on about Trump or DeSantis.

It's the time to shit on that duplicitous scoundrel McConnell

Posted by: Minuteman at November 17, 2022 11:25 AM (LaNzR)

88 Molly Ivins

the Nina Totenberg of TX

got no use for her
Posted by: REDACTED at November 17, 2022


***
Emma Evins >>>> Molly Ivins

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at November 17, 2022 11:25 AM (J2vNu)

89 For example, making the corporation tax cuts "permanent" and the individual tax cuts expire. That's a perfect example of serving your corporate masters first. I still can't believe that went down.

Posted by: Hylian at November 17, 2022 11:23 AM (dpIbY)

Total bullshit. Corporate taxes are paid by consumers. It was a fantastic economy boosting move.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 17, 2022 11:25 AM (XIJ/X)

90 To hell with the party, starve the RNC.

Perhaps this should be the new masthead at AOSHQ. Mencken had a good run, but it's time to move on.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 17, 2022 11:25 AM (eOEVl)

91 69 Agree. That's why it's critical that DeS do something dramatic to make it plain that he can't be bought.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 17, 2022 11:18 AM (eOEVl)

And not just calculating political theater designed to evoke just such an assessment.
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Someone said that DeSantis will never again be as popular as he is now. I think this is true. He can run for Prez or he can run as VP. VP sets him up for an 8 year ticket. Its gonna take 12 years to fix the damage Deep State has unleashed on America.

Posted by: Puddinhead at November 17, 2022 11:25 AM (tiR3O)

92 You can have a lot money and be generous. You can have no money and be generous.

You can have have a lot of money and be greedy. You can have no money and still be greedy.

Being wealthy doesn't mean you can't be corrupted by money. What's you idol?

Posted by: A person afraid of the LGBTQ lobby at November 17, 2022 11:25 AM (5DTn7)

93 Personally, I'd probably vote for DeSantis in the primary. There's a conspiratorial mindset that's seeped into a lot of people's thinking, though. It's societally degrading and highly unfortunate. I won't call it unjustified, though.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, drinking whiskey and getting into fights with Sam Peckinpah at November 17, 2022 11:23 AM (LvTSG)


If two America-First candidates run in the primaries it will split the vote and the nomination will go to a "safe" GOPe squish.

Posted by: Emmie at November 17, 2022 11:25 AM (Emce2)

94 Ah, that's the answer.

VOTE HARDERER BITCHEZ!

Posted by: nurse ratched at November 17, 2022 11:26 AM (PComA)

95 John Denver got his first flying lessons from John McCain.
Posted by: bill in arkansas


I figured it would have been Harrison Ford.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 17, 2022 11:26 AM (tfjlC)

96
If you send $25 or $50, do you really expect to get the president's ear?

If I bundle $2.5 million or $5 million, yeah, THOSE donors expect to get the president's ear.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 17, 2022 11:24 AM (tfjlC)

And they do. They just do. Pretending they don't is naive.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 17, 2022 11:26 AM (YV6PJ)

97 90 To hell with the party, starve the RNC.

Perhaps this should be the new masthead at AOSHQ. Mencken had a good run, but it's time to move on.
Posted by: Archimedes at November 17, 2022 11:25 AM (eOEVl)


Uh, no. Mencken is more relevant now than ever.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at November 17, 2022 11:27 AM (PY/t0)

98 80 That's like saying that can of Spam was fresher than the pile of garbage nearby; almost nobody opens a major film in November, they did it specifically to be able to say "biggest November opening ever." Wakanda won't make a billion dollars, its not re-watchable.

I agree that Disney is not doomed, they have too good properties in the past and can always rely on that. But they made a lot of gambles that didn't pay off, and are suffering from alienating and annoying fans. Raising prices at their bedrock earners is not going to help matters.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 17, 2022 11:24 AM (Ivdso)

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The important thing for Disney is that Wakanda is probably going to turn a profit. It's not Endgame profits, but it's still profits.

Until Disney movies like this start actually staying in the red, they're not going to care at all, especially when the parks will still be full even after the price hike.

It really just seems like not enough of the American people care about Disney's cultural efforts to make the kind of dent necessary to push them back economically.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, drinking whiskey and getting into fights with Sam Peckinpah at November 17, 2022 11:27 AM (LvTSG)

99 I'm dead. Is that good enough?
Posted by: John Denver at November 17, 2022 11:23 AM (vNbzm)

Ummmmmmm....Yes.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 17, 2022 11:27 AM (wpHwF)

100 If Ron is the nominee, I will support him in every way I can

but he kinda reminds me of a cassone. It's beautifully carved, 18th century, great color, cool Italian name

but basically, unsaleable

every rookie makes this mistake when he buys stuff

they're OK as long as you don't mind getting buried with it

Posted by: REDACTED at November 17, 2022 11:27 AM (us2H3)

101 The Germans and the Japanese seem to really love John Denver's music. I've seen multiple sportsball games where the crowd is singing along to 'Country Roads'.

Weird but oddly pleasing.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at November 17, 2022 11:27 AM (V6f9+)

102 'What is important is finding the most conservative and America-loving politician we- "

oh. did you see that? I think you got something there - we need to stop outsourcing to politicians and do it ourselves. half the reason that local government is screwed up is because Republicans don't want to deal with running for school board. That's changing I know but I think that's our problem. McCain's not an outlier, he's the norm

Posted by: Fen6 at November 17, 2022 11:27 AM (PWS6Q)

103 One thing we do know is Sundowner has been bought by the Chinese.
On DJT ( and I'm a Trump guy) or DeSantis ( I'm sure he would be great too) is right now the Marxists have set up states they need to hold the White House so much Lumpy could run and win

Posted by: Skip's phone at November 17, 2022 11:27 AM (WMLMF)

104 I was listening to John Denver's Rocky Mountain High coming to work. Great voice, great song writer, great performer. And then I remembered he wore a fucking Dutch Boy haircut and the illusion disappeared. Grown men wearing Dutch Boy haircuts should be shunned or exiled. There is something wrong with this.
Posted by: Puddinhead at November 17, 2022


***
A lot of people wore stupid things (hairstyles, leisure suits) in the '70s. If they lived long enough, they wised up.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at November 17, 2022 11:28 AM (J2vNu)

105 95 John Denver got his first flying lessons from John McCain.
Posted by: bill in arkansas


How dare you speak ill of my Daddy. During. His. Funeral!

Posted by: Meghan McCain at November 17, 2022 11:28 AM (PiwSw)

106 The GOP has announced it taking a deep dive into Joe's biz dealings

THIS IS GREAT NEWS

fuck working with the left

Posted by: REDACTED at November 17, 2022 11:29 AM (us2H3)

107 Grown men wearing Dutch Boy haircuts should be shunned or exiled. There is something wrong with this.
Posted by: Puddinhead at November 17, 2022

Oh, big fashion maven are you?

Posted by: Emo Phillips at November 17, 2022 11:29 AM (PiwSw)

108 >>A lot of people wore stupid things (hairstyles, leisure suits) in the '70s.


Back then, a guy could cut his own hair and wear upholstery and people were cool with it.

Posted by: garrett at November 17, 2022 11:29 AM (MaJGV)

109 The important thing for Disney is that Wakanda is probably going to turn a profit. It's not Endgame profits, but it's still profits.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at November 17, 2022 11:27 AM (LvTSG)

That profit needs to be judged against what they COULD have made with the huge investment in time and money.

It probably cost $400 million to make and market the movie, and that was over two or three years before it saw a single $ of income.

So if they make $600 million? Eh...

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 17, 2022 11:29 AM (XIJ/X)

110 And while use to think a great candidate is better than a good candidate speaking of Lumpy who can't understand a verbal sentence or speak a rational statement what difference does it make?

Posted by: Skip's phone at November 17, 2022 11:30 AM (WMLMF)

111 *It is Day 3 of the Trump Wars

I sit here in my tent, writing this letter to you by candlelight, while the shells explode overhead...*

Posted by: Dave in Fla (there is no path to 270) at November 17, 2022 11:30 AM (5p7BC)

112 I can go for either, but I think between the never trumpers and only trumpers, the glass of water party will have the inside of the track.

Posted by: griff at November 17, 2022 11:30 AM (iWXHo)

113 I agree that Disney is not doomed, they have too good properties in the past and can always rely on that. But they made a lot of gambles that didn't pay off, and are suffering from alienating and annoying fans. Raising prices at their bedrock earners is not going to help matters.
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They are just being more selective on who they wish to entertain. Much like journalists - they only recognize the approved people.

Posted by: Puddinhead at November 17, 2022 11:30 AM (tiR3O)

114 106 The GOP has announced it taking a deep dive into Joe's biz dealings

THIS IS GREAT NEWS

fuck working with the left
Posted by: REDACTED at November 17, 2022 11:29 AM (us2H3


Uh, no. Have you ever seen a single person brought to task by any government investigation in the past twenty years?

Posted by: AlaBAMA at November 17, 2022 11:30 AM (PY/t0)

115
Uh, no. Mencken is more relevant now than ever.

Mencken was the Neal Boortz of his day.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 17, 2022 11:30 AM (63Dwl)

116 93 If two America-First candidates run in the primaries it will split the vote and the nomination will go to a "safe" GOPe squish.
Posted by: Emmie at November 17, 2022 11:25 AM (Emce2)

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Meh, probably not.

America First stuff is so popular with the base, that it'll dominate something like 75% of the vote. Add in that the GOPe has proven itself really bad at pushing their preferred choices on the base, especially in the face of an actual choice the base likes, and that's why there's news of Asa Hutchinson working on a presidential campaign.

The GOPe is desperate to take back the party and flush with cash. They are going to throw it in every direction so there isn't one anti-America First GOP candidate in the primary, but a dozen. They still haven't learned how to operate in a post-Trump world. Splitting the base's vote worked when the base appealing candidates had to struggle to get oxygen in the media atmosphere, leaving enough room for someone like Mitt Romney to just exist long enough to consolidate enough votes to win.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, drinking whiskey and getting into fights with Sam Peckinpah at November 17, 2022 11:30 AM (LvTSG)

117 The important thing for Disney is that Wakanda is probably going to turn a profit. It's not Endgame profits, but it's still profits.

I agree, it will make money, and they aren't feeling the annoyance of the people as much as they need to yet. And may never. But they took a loss last quarter and are firing a lot of people, so they are feeling it. They have lost money on streaming shows they hoped would be big winners.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 17, 2022 11:31 AM (Ivdso)

118 John Denver gets permanent special dispensation for his Muppet Show appearances.

Posted by: garrett at November 17, 2022 11:31 AM (MaJGV)

119 As is assuming he won't GOPer on us. Right now, the look of GOPer tool to take out Trump is not a good look for him.

Please remember that just because the GOPe prefers DeS over Trump, that doesn't mean DeS is dirty. As someone wise said, they think they can control him, but what if they can't?. I'm betting they're stupid and wrong.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 17, 2022 11:31 AM (eOEVl)

120 Weird but oddly pleasing.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at November 17, 2022 11:27 AM (V6f9+)

Yeah...and the Boston Red Sox fans sing along to a pedophile singing about a president's young daughter.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 17, 2022 11:31 AM (XIJ/X)

121 104 I had a pair of wire rimmed glasses, old school with the hook behind the ear temples. Like the ones Col. Potter wore on MASH. Also John Denver. My ex once said I should grow my hair like Denver and I'd look cute. Ditched the wire rims and got a razor cut.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at November 17, 2022 11:32 AM (lz5hY)

122 You can have have a lot of money and be greedy.

define greedy

and it aint the opposite of generous

Posted by: REDACTED at November 17, 2022 11:32 AM (us2H3)

123 109 It probably cost $400 million to make and market the movie, and that was over two or three years before it saw a single $ of income.

So if they make $600 million? Eh...
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 17, 2022 11:29 AM (XIJ/X)

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Final tally, my guess, would be at least $800 million. That might be enough. Thor 4, which was pretty universally met with a giant shrug, still made $760 million.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, drinking whiskey and getting into fights with Sam Peckinpah at November 17, 2022 11:32 AM (LvTSG)

124
*It is Day 3 of the Trump Wars

I sit here in my tent, writing this letter to you by candlelight, while the shells explode overhead...*
Posted by: Dave in Fla


...remembering the good old days of 2016.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 17, 2022 11:32 AM (63Dwl)

125
Total bullshit. Corporate taxes are paid by consumers. It was a fantastic economy boosting move.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
+

Wouldn't you rather Google and Facebook have to "fight" to keep their tax rates from going up instead of individuals?

Unless we get a Republican in the WH and both houses of Congress, the Trump tax cuts for "us" are probably gone. But Woke corporations will keep their low rates.

Posted by: Hylian at November 17, 2022 11:32 AM (dpIbY)

126 And this gives you power over me?

Posted by: Bane DeSantis at November 17, 2022 11:32 AM (h5TKJ)

127 If two America-First candidates run in the primaries it will split the vote and the nomination will go to a "safe" GOPe squish.
Posted by: Emmie at November 17, 2022 11:25 AM (Emce2)


If they split 80% of the vote, no one else will win. If they're splitting 50% of the vote, then yes, someone else will win. But then the problem isn't that Trump and DeSantis split the vote. The problem would be that there's so much non-America First vote in the Republican Party.
The only way a squish wins is if there's still a whole lot of squish in the party.

Posted by: Wally at November 17, 2022 11:32 AM (vMWVi)

128 One thing I've come to realize, from reading & listening to those analysts (amateur & professional, including some here) who've recently been pointing out that there is a significant segment of the population to whom Trump appeals (rural, likely past & present union-working class whites), is that apparently they will only show up to vote for, and only for, Trump now -- not necessarily any other Republicans or in any other elections -- so that we have a flip-side of the #NeverTrumpers:

#OnlyTrumpers

[Although I'm with Dave in Fla and see no path to 270, especially given the current widespread election fraud in the battleground states:] I suppose the academic questions are: (1) is this contingent of #OnlyTrumpers enough to counter the loss of those former Trump supporters now experiencing Trump-fatigue; and (2) can anybody else (obviously DeSantis is the only option now) win without the #OnlyTrumpers?

Posted by: ShainS -- The Humiliation is Part of the Kink at November 17, 2022 11:32 AM (K3TEc)

129 A lot of people wore stupid things (hairstyles, leisure suits) in the '70s. If they lived long enough, they wised up.
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I had a shag haircut to celebrate the liberation brought to us by shag carpeting. Did you know there was a shag rake sold at carpet stores?

Posted by: Puddinhead at November 17, 2022 11:33 AM (tiR3O)

130 A lot of people wore stupid things (hairstyles, leisure suits) in the '70s.
*
Back then, a guy could cut his own hair and wear upholstery and people were cool with it.
Posted by: garrett at November 17, 2022


***
I had a hard time finding something to wear back then that didn't make me feel stupid. Those fake fur-collared topcoats, for instance. Bell-bottoms or flared pants. Ties and suit lapels as wide as a squashed adder.

On the other hand: .55 for a gallon of gas, .69 for a full-sized bag of Doritos, $100 for monthly rent, and $5 for (admittedly cheap) bourbon was nothing to sneeze at!

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at November 17, 2022 11:33 AM (J2vNu)

131 I don't call any politician a "Leader" anymore. They aren't leaders for us. They work for themselves and their objective is to benefit themselves. Leaders lead. They take the flak and show the way. The only way this current (and the past ones, too, for a long time) group of politicians leads is to the bank. Self interest over the best interest of the people they purportedly serve.

Posted by: TecumsehTea-not a resident troll at November 17, 2022 11:34 AM (BjGT6)

132 ...remembering the good old days of 2016.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 17, 2022 11:32 AM (63Dwl)

Yes, 2016 was jolly. LOL. And we have two years or so of this. Groan.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 17, 2022 11:34 AM (vH/6k)

133 117 I agree, it will make money, and they aren't feeling the annoyance of the people as much as they need to yet. And may never. But they took a loss last quarter and are firing a lot of people, so they are feeling it. They have lost money on streaming shows they hoped would be big winners.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 17, 2022 11:31 AM (Ivdso)

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Streaming was always a bad idea. As a standalone subscription service to an existing library, it would probably make enough to justify itself, but throwing literally billions into content is a joke.

I think it's why Zaslav is such an enemy in media journalism right now. He's the indicator that the free for all streaming spending era is coming to an end.

If an $8 account spends 150 hours a week watching Bluey and then 2 hours watching the new Thor movie, how much of that $8 gets accounted to Bluey and how much to Thor?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, drinking whiskey and getting into fights with Sam Peckinpah at November 17, 2022 11:34 AM (LvTSG)

134 127
I estimate the squish wing <= 20%

Posted by: Dr. Claw at November 17, 2022 11:35 AM (vNbzm)

135 Please remember that just because the GOPe prefers DeS over Trump, that doesn't mean DeS is dirty. As someone wise said,...

As someone else said, he was still reviled last Monday for his voting, covid, and Disney actions.

Posted by: t-bird at November 17, 2022 11:35 AM (CaJIi)

136 The other side of coercion, from being bribed, is being threatened. The silver or the lead. But it is not just the threat of being shot, but of being sued into oblivion, and your family sued.

I think even Trump was not completely immune to all those pressures and threats ... but having a full time staff of lawyers probably helped him resist. But then again, how many close to Trump got harassed (by FIB/DOJ) to the point good (but not strong) men stay away?

Posted by: illiniwek at November 17, 2022 11:35 AM (Cus5s)

137 *It is Day 3 of the Trump Wars

I sit here in my tent, writing this letter to you by candlelight, while the shells explode overhead...*
Posted by: Dave in Fla


"Dispatches from the Front"

Posted by: rickb223 at November 17, 2022 11:35 AM (tfjlC)

138 Question is, who does trump hire to rip off the arms of DeSantis' people?

Posted by: AlaBAMA at November 17, 2022 11:35 AM (PY/t0)

139 Uh, no. Have you ever seen a single person brought to task by any government investigation in the past twenty years?
Posted by: AlaBAMA at November 17, 2022 11:30 AM (PY/t0)

I think this may be different

Posted by: REDACTED at November 17, 2022 11:35 AM (us2H3)

140 138 Question is, who does trump hire to rip off the arms of DeSantis' people?
Posted by: AlaBAMA at November 17, 2022 11:35 AM (PY/t0)

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I don't get it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, drinking whiskey and getting into fights with Sam Peckinpah at November 17, 2022 11:35 AM (LvTSG)

141 Since we're on the favorite topic of "Is DeSantis a GOPe chameleon", this DU excerpt of a NY Times article is appropriate:

Mr. Trump’s candidacy should serve as a clarion call to those who are willing to fight for the soul of the Republican Party. While this board does not support many of their policy positions, some leading figures in the party — including former Vice President Mike Pence, Representative Liz Cheney of Wyoming, Gov. Ron DeSantis of Florida, former United Nations Ambassador Nikki Haley, Senator Tim Scott of South Carolina and Gov. Chris Sununu of New Hampshire, among others — have demonstrated a commitment to the rule of law and an ability to govern.

Lol, if I were trying to run as the 2024 Republican nominee, and my name appeared in THAT list (aside from DeSantis, at the moment), I'd flip out, demand a retraction, etc. Not a list that inspired confidence in fighting for the base's interests!

Posted by: Intrepid Democratic Underground AoS Liaison at November 17, 2022 11:35 AM (JCZqz)

142 I don't think Schwarzman donated to Trump until after he was elected President.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at November 17, 2022 11:35 AM (6xbVH)

143 *It is Day 3 of the Trump Wars

I sit here in my tent, writing this letter to you by candlelight, while the shells explode overhead...*

Posted by: Dave in Fla (there is no path to 270) at November 17, 2022 11:30 AM (5p7BC)

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LOL. Early entry for threadwinner.

Posted by: ShainS -- The Humiliation is Part of the Kink at November 17, 2022 11:36 AM (K3TEc)

144 141 Mr. Trump’s candidacy should serve as a clarion call to those who are willing to fight for the soul of the Republican Party. While this board does not support many of their policy positions, some leading figures in the party — including former Vice President Mike Pence, Representative Liz Cheney of Wyoming, Gov. Ron DeSantis of Florida, former United Nations Ambassador Nikki Haley, Senator Tim Scott of South Carolina and Gov. Chris Sununu of New Hampshire, among others — have demonstrated a commitment to the rule of law and an ability to govern.

Lol, if I were trying to run as the 2024 Republican nominee, and my name appeared in THAT list (aside from DeSantis, at the moment), I'd flip out, demand a retraction, etc. Not a list that inspired confidence in fighting for the base's interests!
Posted by: Intrepid Democratic Underground AoS Liaison at November 17, 2022 11:35 AM (JCZqz)

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The entire media carried the Charlie Crist accusation that DeSantis was a fascist tyrant without question, but okay.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, drinking whiskey and getting into fights with Sam Peckinpah at November 17, 2022 11:36 AM (LvTSG)

145 Thinks about turning thread into a gun thread.
Thinks better than turning thread into a gun thread.
Won't mention newest acquisition.

Does his part of keeping the thread gun free.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 17, 2022 11:37 AM (tfjlC)

146 Ties and suit lapels as wide as a squashed adder.

I'll take metrics I never expected for $500, Mayim.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 17, 2022 11:37 AM (eOEVl)

147 Someone said that DeSantis will never again be as popular as he is now. I think this is true. He can run for Prez or he can run as VP.
Posted by: Puddinhead

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He's not going to run for VP or even accept a VP position. He knows Trump loses (and I doubt they allow him the nom, they'll figure out a way to steal it like the Dems have done over the years) because they know that will be the 3rd election Trump hands the Democrats for his ego.

GOP voters will be desperate to get Trump's "stink" away from them. Look at Pence, every wing of the Party hates the guy for being Trump's VP.

Posted by: Hylian at November 17, 2022 11:37 AM (dpIbY)

148 You think the swamp gives you power but I was born in the swamp.

Posted by: McBane at November 17, 2022 11:37 AM (yQpMk)

149 145 Thinks about turning thread into a gun thread.
Thinks better than turning thread into a gun thread.
Won't mention newest acquisition.

Does his part of keeping the thread gun free.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 17, 2022 11:37 AM (tfjlC)

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This feels...familiar...

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, drinking whiskey and getting into fights with Sam Peckinpah at November 17, 2022 11:37 AM (LvTSG)

150 I had a hard time finding something to wear back then that didn't make me feel stupid. Those fake fur-collared topcoats, for instance. Bell-bottoms or flared pants. Ties and suit lapels as wide as a squashed adder.
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Platform Shoes!!! The snizz.

Posted by: Puddinhead at November 17, 2022 11:37 AM (tiR3O)

151 140
This is the beating of the dead Michelle Fields horse that some find funny.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at November 17, 2022 11:37 AM (vNbzm)

152 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 17, 2022 11:37 AM (Zz0t1)

153 I've decided to go Mercenary this cycle.

Kinda like the A-Team.

If you've got a problem and the money...

Posted by: AlaBAMA at November 17, 2022 11:38 AM (PY/t0)

154 145 Thinks about turning thread into a gun thread.
Thinks better than turning thread into a gun thread.
Won't mention newest acquisition.

Does his part of keeping the thread gun free.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 17, 2022 11:37 AM (tfjlC)

Awww

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at November 17, 2022 11:38 AM (V6f9+)

155 Ace's point on the sidebar is valid. At this point, there is certainly no evidence that DeSantis is going to try and derail the grassroots base of the GOP. What I've said all along - and I still maintain - is that once you allow people who are demonstrably not friendly to the base to finance DeSantis' campaign, there is a nonzero risk that they will have undue influence on him. Schwarzman did interpose himself in the process while the China tariffs were in place. He said that he helped to moderate Trump in some aspects of those. Blackstone has big China interests, so he helped himself in doing so. Sheldon Adelson, on the other hand, had huge interests in Macau, but that didn't influence Trump (or China) in the collapse of the casino market there.

What is evident is that RDS is being used by a lot of people who want Trump to step aside. Some are honest brokers, others are NT factotums. Money is a data point, that's all. Still waiting to see how RDS acts. Disney is a big, big plus in his favor. I want to see him embrace Trumpism before I cast my lot with him, however.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at November 17, 2022 11:38 AM (y2RgW)

156 I agree that we have to judge them by their actions as we can't assume their character. Furthermore we should make actions we don't like painful for them. But our leverage diminishes constantly. The donations by wealthy individuals and corporations not to mention massive off-the-book expenditures by powerful international groups like wef/davos greatly dilute any leverage we had. As government becomes stronger powerful entities become more interested and we are shoved aside. I don't see how this situation can reverse its self as it has become fully autonomous. Perhaps in little advances.

I look at it from the perspective of a system designer. A small government in service of a sovereign people is inherently unstable and will always tend to deviate away requiring constant diligence. Ruthless totalitarianism is extremely stable.

TL;DR - our work is cut out for us

Posted by: banana Dream at November 17, 2022 11:38 AM (PY/t0)

157 I don't think Schwarzman donated to Trump until after he was elected President.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger
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But then it doesn't count, right?

Posted by: Hylian at November 17, 2022 11:38 AM (dpIbY)

158 *It is Day 3 of the Trump Wars

I sit here in my tent, writing this letter to you by candlelight, while the shells explode overhead...*
Posted by: Dave in Fla (there is no path to 270) at November 17, 2022 11:30 AM (5p7BC)

LOL.

Posted by: t_bodie - Lurker. Unless you are reading this. at November 17, 2022 11:39 AM (nXAoJ)

159 Platform Shoes!!! The snizz.
Posted by: Puddinhead


Two twisted ankles later...

Posted by: rickb223 at November 17, 2022 11:39 AM (tfjlC)

160 Can the Air Force train new pilots without planes?

Airmen are gearing up for what could be the most consequential move in military pilot training since the Air Force was created in 1947: teaching students to fly without stepping foot in a real airplane.

https://valorguardians.com/blog/?p=133653

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at November 17, 2022 11:39 AM (Iy8Rs)

161 "the politician whose values and ideas align perfectly with ours (which never happens anyway),"

Heck, even I don't align well with my own values and ideas. It's a struggle.

Posted by: gp Declines 2024 Nomination at November 17, 2022 11:39 AM (24fqN)

162 161 Heck, even I don't align well with my own values and ideas. It's a struggle.
Posted by: gp Declines 2024 Nomination at November 17, 2022 11:39 AM (24fqN)

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Obama? Is that you?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, drinking whiskey and getting into fights with Sam Peckinpah at November 17, 2022 11:40 AM (LvTSG)

163 Listen to Hylian. It's how we learn their biggest fears.

Posted by: t-bird at November 17, 2022 11:40 AM (CaJIi)

164 Please remember that just because the GOPe prefers DeS over Trump, that doesn't mean DeS is dirty. As someone wise said,...

As someone else said, he was still reviled last Monday for his voting, covid, and Disney actions.


Oh, they hate and fear him alright. They just hate Trump even more. They're obsessed. But if Trump gets run over by a bus tomorrow, all that hate will be transferred to DeS. It will flow through them.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 17, 2022 11:40 AM (eOEVl)

165 160 Can the Air Force train new pilots without planes?

Airmen are gearing up for what could be the most consequential move in military pilot training since the Air Force was created in 1947: teaching students to fly without stepping foot in a real airplane.

https://valorguardians.com/blog/?p=133653
Posted by: SMH at what's coming at November 17, 2022 11:39 AM (Iy8Rs)


Don't they train Astronauts this way?

Posted by: AlaBAMA at November 17, 2022 11:40 AM (PY/t0)

166 I had a hard time finding something to wear back then that didn't make me feel stupid. Those fake fur-collared topcoats, for instance. Bell-bottoms or flared pants. Ties and suit lapels as wide as a squashed adder.
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Platform Shoes!!! The snizz.
Posted by: Puddinhead at November 17, 2022


***
Those didn't even look attractive on girls!

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at November 17, 2022 11:40 AM (J2vNu)

167 GOP voters will be desperate to get Trump's "stink" away from them. Look at Pence, every wing of the Party hates the guy for being Trump's VP.
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You mean every wing of UniParty (aka McConnell) hates the guy. Let's see if he can kill McConnell. That's what he's up to. That's why McConnell spent the money on Murkowski and other no name losers. Jeebus, do I have to draw you a picture?

Posted by: Puddinhead at November 17, 2022 11:40 AM (tiR3O)

168 I've done a lot of thinking and if Desantis announces, I'm supporting him. I don't believe Trump can win again. I won't be upset if I'm wrong, though.

Posted by: squid_hunt at November 17, 2022 11:40 AM (kVHiw)

169 It's my belief that only the small donor money comes without strings. They back you and fund you for what you say, how you campaign and how they align with that.

The BIG MONEY donors ALWAYS have strings attached. Always. I will never believe otherwise, unless there was a foolproof way to prove I'm wrong.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 17, 2022 11:40 AM (Zz0t1)

170 Streaming was always a bad idea. As a standalone subscription service to an existing library, it would probably make enough to justify itself, but throwing literally billions into content is a joke.

I think it's why Zaslav is such an enemy in media journalism right now. He's the indicator that the free for all streaming spending era is coming to an end.

If an $8 account spends 150 hours a week watching Bluey and then 2 hours watching the new Thor movie, how much of that $8 gets accounted to Bluey and how much to Thor?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, drinking whiskey and getting into fights with Sam Peckinpah at November 17, 2022 11:34 AM (LvTSG)

I'm losing respect for the RLM hacks, to be honest. I watched their Barbarians review and half the tiem I was nodding and half the time I was disagreeing. It's like they're half smart, but only half.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at November 17, 2022 11:41 AM (V6f9+)

171 160 without stepping foot into a real airplane. Our aero club had Cessna 150s.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at November 17, 2022 11:41 AM (lz5hY)

172 Awww
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards


1k #10 primers for BP Pistol. Now to get the BP pistol. Can find those everywhere. Primers were the bitch. Wasn't going to buy a BP pistol without primers. #11's for the rifle are hard to find as well.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 17, 2022 11:41 AM (tfjlC)

173 Kinda like the A-Team.

If you've got a problem and the money...
Posted by: AlaBAMA at November 17, 2022 11:38 AM (PY/t0)



I love how they always pull out those full auto chrome plated AK's. I want some.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 17, 2022 11:41 AM (Zz0t1)

174 What if you don't think either can win? No road to 270.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at November 17, 2022 11:41 AM (PY/t0)

175 Listen to Hylian. It's how we learn their biggest fears.
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That's how they program the bot.

Posted by: a facsimile of a commentor - takes one to know one at November 17, 2022 11:41 AM (4ckqv)

176 163 Listen to Hylian. It's how we learn their biggest fears.
Posted by: t-bird at November 17, 2022 11:40 AM (CaJIi)

I guess even a fool has his purpose.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at November 17, 2022 11:41 AM (V6f9+)

177 Platform Shoes!!! The snizz.
Posted by: Puddinhead at November 17, 2022

***
Those didn't even look attractive on girls!
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Wolfus, at 17 everything looks good on girls. Even better if they take it off.

Posted by: Puddinhead at November 17, 2022 11:41 AM (tiR3O)

178 If an $8 account spends 150 hours a week watching Bluey and then 2 hours watching the new Thor movie, how much of that $8 gets accounted to Bluey and how much to Thor?

Yeah its a crazy unaccountable, no logic system. Its wonderful for consumers but not so great for producers.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 17, 2022 11:42 AM (Ivdso)

179 174 What if you don't think either can win? No road to 270.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at November 17, 2022 11:41 AM (PY/t0)

Might as well run Trump then. We're not putting him a governorship and his participation in the post-republican era will be minimal due to age.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 17, 2022 11:42 AM (eYoxG)

180 What if you don't think either can win? No road to 270.
Posted by: AlaBAMA
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You just read and...shake your head.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at November 17, 2022 11:42 AM (Iy8Rs)

181 GOP voters will be desperate to get Trump's "stink" away from them. Look at Pence, every wing of the Party hates the guy for being Trump's VP.

No, they hate Pence because he acted Pencely.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 17, 2022 11:42 AM (eOEVl)

182 How many Trump email blegs do you get a day?

Posted by: BignJames at November 17, 2022 11:42 AM (AwYPR)

183 "Obama? Is that you?"

It's not a struggle for him.

Posted by: gp Declines 2024 Nomination at November 17, 2022 11:42 AM (24fqN)

184 I had a hard time finding something to wear back then that didn't make me feel stupid.

Corduroys. I wore a leisure suit a few times, too, although I don't remember why (I may have suppressed the memory)

Posted by: t-bird at November 17, 2022 11:42 AM (CaJIi)

185 170 I'm losing respect for the RLM hacks, to be honest. I watched their Barbarians review and half the tiem I was nodding and half the time I was disagreeing. It's like they're half smart, but only half.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at November 17, 2022 11:41 AM (V6f9+)

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They don't want to engage with social issues, so when a movie pushes social issues they don't really engage with them, just a lot of accepting of assumptions.

I've always thought Re:view was their best show, and BOTW has an absurd amount of replay value. Half in the Bag is really their least show. It feels like the sort of thing they crap out to help keep the lights on without trying to hard.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, drinking whiskey and getting into fights with Sam Peckinpah at November 17, 2022 11:42 AM (LvTSG)

186
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This feels...familiar...
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, drinking whiskey and getting into fights with Sam Peckinpah at November 17, 2022 11:37 AM (LvTSG)



I don't get it.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 17, 2022 11:43 AM (Zz0t1)

187 This feels...familiar...
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, drinking whiskey and getting into fights with Sam Peckinpah at November 17, 2022 11:37 AM (LvTSG)


I don't get it.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 17, 2022 11:43 AM (Zz0t1)

Forget it, Sponge. This is AceTown

Posted by: AlaBAMA at November 17, 2022 11:43 AM (PY/t0)

188 178 If an $8 account spends 150 hours a week watching Bluey and then 2 hours watching the new Thor movie, how much of that $8 gets accounted to Bluey and how much to Thor?

Yeah its a crazy unaccountable, no logic system. Its wonderful for consumers but not so great for producers.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 17, 2022 11:42 AM (Ivdso)

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I think it's very clearly accountable. Bluey gets 98.68% of the $8 and Thor gets the remainder.

It's just not what Disney wants to admit.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, drinking whiskey and getting into fights with Sam Peckinpah at November 17, 2022 11:44 AM (LvTSG)

189 If we truly judge by results, Donald Trump, "warts and all" outshines any GOP leader since at least Reagan. That is against a level of Deep State opposition neither Ron nor Ronald had to endure. As well, if we do not deliver a decisive rebuke to the perpetrators of the 2020 and 2022 election "irregularities" by returning The Donald to office, we will never be able to trust an election again.

Posted by: Lawrence Duffield at November 17, 2022 11:44 AM (ZD8Is)

190
Forget it, Sponge. This is AceTown
Posted by: AlaBAMA at November 17, 2022 11:43 AM (PY/t0)



Forgotten, but I figured he was just rolling.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 17, 2022 11:44 AM (Zz0t1)

191 ----------------
You mean every wing of UniParty (aka McConnell) hates the guy. Let's see if he can kill McConnell. That's what he's up to. That's why McConnell spent the money on Murkowski and other no name losers. Jeebus, do I have to draw you a picture?
Posted by: Puddinhead
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Yeah, to be a fly on the wall for that brainstorming session.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ Donald Trump is the heartbeat of MAGA at November 17, 2022 11:44 AM (gfCY0)

192 The BIG MONEY donors ALWAYS have strings attached. Always. I will never believe otherwise, unless there was a foolproof way to prove I'm wrong.

They do have that motivation. That's why publicly cutting the strings they're trying to tie to the candidate is so powerful. Anyone who gives money after that knows that the candidate isn't going to be their puppet.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 17, 2022 11:44 AM (eOEVl)

193 190
Forget it, Sponge. This is AceTown
Posted by: AlaBAMA at November 17, 2022 11:43 AM (PY/t0)


Forgotten, but I figured he was just rolling.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 17, 2022 11:44 AM (Zz0t1

He strikes me as someone who dabbles in Ecstasy too.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at November 17, 2022 11:45 AM (PY/t0)

194 What the heck is Bluey?

Posted by: spindrift at November 17, 2022 11:45 AM (h5TKJ)

195 Oooh, lookie who's lined up to attend the New York Times' DealBook Summit in a couple of weeks. None other than #2 Democrat Party donator and crypto launderer/thief, Sam Bankman-Freid is on the list. It's truly a veritable smorgasbord of leftist globalist scum.

https://archive.ph/jTg94

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at November 17, 2022 11:45 AM (DTX3h)

196 @128 ShainS-The people pissing and moaning about Trump fatigue are suffering from being in close association with GOPe grifters for too long. This is why we are hearing the SAME EXACT excuses and so called prescriptions for selecting candidates. Same proven GOP establishment failure conservatives have listened to, starting with the kinder gentler shit we heard from Pappy Bush after Reagan now being applied to Trump and "OMG he's too much of an attack dog!" "We need more presidential!" This is completely missing out the main reason Trump is so beloved. I'd go as far as even more loved than Reagan and I consider myself a Reaganite. The only way anyone including DeSantis could bring the OnlyTrumpers into the fold is to be just like Trump in the mocking and attacking of his enemies....then double down. He or anyone else does that then they're in.

Posted by: JROD at November 17, 2022 11:45 AM (IlL6s)

197 Corduroys. I wore a leisure suit a few times, too, although I don't remember why (I may have suppressed the memory)
Posted by: t-bird


Never run with Corduroys on.
Flash fire is extremely possible.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 17, 2022 11:45 AM (tfjlC)

198
They don't want to engage with social issues, so when a movie pushes social issues they don't really engage with them, just a lot of accepting of assumptions.

I've always thought Re:view was their best show, and BOTW has an absurd amount of replay value. Half in the Bag is really their least show. It feels like the sort of thing they crap out to help keep the lights on without trying to hard.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, drinking whiskey and getting into fights with Sam Peckinpah at November 17, 2022 11:42 AM (LvTSG)



I will forever judge media on whether Silent Bob posts a twat image of himself crying or not.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 17, 2022 11:45 AM (Zz0t1)

199 It feels like the sort of thing they crap out to help keep the lights on without trying to hard.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, drinking whiskey and getting into fights with Sam Peckinpah at November 17, 2022 11:42 AM (LvTSG)

Agreed.
Also, they don't seem terribly happy with the life they've chosen or with their fan base. It's not a great look. But they are pretty insightful, sometimes.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at November 17, 2022 11:45 AM (V6f9+)

200 You know what I find especially obnoxious about Pence?

He exemplifies in a lot of ways what a Christian in power should behave like, with his Pence principle and his rhetoric. But then he betrays everything and acts like its worst enemies portray Christianity as: pharisaical, judgmental, weak, and cowardly.

He basically is our worst enemy.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 17, 2022 11:45 AM (Ivdso)

201 Platform Shoes!!! The snizz.
Posted by: Puddinhead at November 17, 2022
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Those didn't even look attractive on girls!
---------------
Wolfus, at 17 everything looks good on girls. Even better if they take it off.
Posted by: Puddinhead at November 17, 2022


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Well, sure . . . but there were better choices. "Thong" sandals, as they were called then, or regular high heels. Some girls knew this and eschewed the platforms.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at November 17, 2022 11:45 AM (J2vNu)

202 I've done a lot of thinking and if Desantis announces, I'm supporting him. I don't believe Trump can win again. I won't be upset if I'm wrong, though.
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No reason you can't embrace the power of "and" until you actually have to vote in your primary. I don't get the idea that anyone has to decide who they are going to Support. Now. I am supporting both. I want to see how it shakes out. Who wins what where and how the approach it. It will give you a better idea of how things will shake out if you wait six months, at least. You could wind up voting for both of them on the same ticket.

Posted by: a facsimile of a commentor - takes one to know one at November 17, 2022 11:45 AM (WOF+X)

203 What the heck is Bluey?
Posted by: spindrift at November 17, 2022 11:45 AM (h5TKJ)



Ba Ba Bluey from The Howard Stern Show?

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 17, 2022 11:46 AM (Zz0t1)

204 Mencken is more relevant now than ever.

Mencken suffered a major stroke in 1948, and died in 1956. In other words, he could have been a Senator.

Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at November 17, 2022 11:46 AM (x61Im)

205 194 What the heck is Bluey?
Posted by: spindrift at November 17, 2022 11:45 AM (h5TKJ)

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Australian kid's cartoon that Disney+ carries and is, reportedly, one of the most watched things they have.

It's very sweet and family friendly about a mom, a dad, and two girls who like to play. It's also got a knowing, adult sense of humor that appeals to parents without getting dirty in any way.

Yes, I've watched a lot of it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, drinking whiskey and getting into fights with Sam Peckinpah at November 17, 2022 11:46 AM (LvTSG)

206 MurkCowSki is gaining on Tshibaka but is not there yet.
Boebert's still afloat.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ Donald Trump is the heartbeat of MAGA at November 17, 2022 11:46 AM (gfCY0)

207 I think it's very clearly accountable. Bluey gets 98.68% of the $8 and Thor gets the remainder.

Well here's what I mean by unaccountable. The numbers are hidden. The profits are unclear. Investors have no idea what they are investing in.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 17, 2022 11:46 AM (Ivdso)

208 In the 70s I was still in the Corps. Got detailed out where I got a civilian (suit and tie) clothing allowance, one time deal. Went to a Haddasah thrift store in Silver Springs MD and Brooks Brothers all the way baby. Florsheim Imperials.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at November 17, 2022 11:46 AM (lz5hY)

209 What the heck is Bluey?
Posted by: spindrift at November 17, 2022


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The color "blue" as pronounced by Lt. Uhura after Nomad wiped her brain.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at November 17, 2022 11:47 AM (J2vNu)

210 I want to see him embrace Trumpism before I cast my lot with him, however.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at November 17, 2022 11:38 AM (y2RgW)

Are you saying Trump is your movement? Or is it life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness as written in our founding documents, which is counter to our current government culture?

In my extremely humble standpoint: Trump was a president...he is not my leader nor did he instill these values in me. I felt this way long before he stepped out.

Posted by: Miss Issippi at November 17, 2022 11:47 AM (sI15f)

211 I have never, and will never donate to any political candidate or group. They get my vote, that's it. They already take too much of my money as it is.

Posted by: toddg at November 17, 2022 11:47 AM (B3RQo)

212
He strikes me as someone who dabbles in Ecstasy too.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at November 17, 2022 11:45 AM (PY/t0)



Doesn't that stuff cause brain damage?

Posted by: Jeff Spicoli at November 17, 2022 11:47 AM (Zz0t1)

213 199 Agreed.
Also, they don't seem terribly happy with the life they've chosen or with their fan base. It's not a great look. But they are pretty insightful, sometimes.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at November 17, 2022 11:45 AM (V6f9+)

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They might be happier if they ignored the comments section.

I wish they would shut down the channel for 4-6 months and go off and make another movie. I still love Space Cop.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, drinking whiskey and getting into fights with Sam Peckinpah at November 17, 2022 11:47 AM (LvTSG)

214 Everyone hates McConnell and he's still there, right?

Posted by: blaster at November 17, 2022 11:47 AM (pwExq)

215 They do have that motivation. That's why publicly cutting the strings they're trying to tie to the candidate is so powerful. Anyone who gives money after that knows that the candidate isn't going to be their puppet.

More importantly, the average voter will now see that he can't be bought.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 17, 2022 11:47 AM (eOEVl)

216 You know what I find especially obnoxious about Pence?

He exemplifies in a lot of ways what a Christian in power should behave like, with his Pence principle and his rhetoric. But then he betrays everything and acts like its worst enemies portray Christianity as: pharisaical, judgmental, weak, and cowardly.

He basically is our worst enemy.
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and from that you could almost make the argument that it was for the best that Trump lost in 2020. Because 2024 would be the Pence election otherwise.

Posted by: a facsimile of a commentor - takes one to know one at November 17, 2022 11:47 AM (WOF+X)

217 Big announcement coming from Pelosi. "It is with great reluctance that I inform you that I plan to go spend time with the tens of millions of dollars I somehow acquired as a public servant."

Posted by: turnout man at November 17, 2022 11:47 AM (CIcwn)

218 Doesn't that stuff cause brain damage?
Posted by: Jeff Spicoli at November 17, 2022 11:47 AM (Zz0t1)

Life causes brain damage.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at November 17, 2022 11:47 AM (PY/t0)

219 Well, sure . . . but there were better choices. "Thong" sandals, as they were called then, or regular high heels. Some girls knew this and eschewed the platforms.
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Girls wearing thongs in the early 70s were either Jesus Freaks or Hobbits reading Lord of The Ring. The ones that would fuck wore other stuff.

Posted by: Puddinhead at November 17, 2022 11:48 AM (tiR3O)

220 The Germans and the Japanese seem to really love John Denver's music. I've seen multiple sportsball games where the crowd is singing along to 'Country Roads'.

Weird but oddly pleasing.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at November 17, 2022 11:27 AM (V6f9+)

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Heard somebody on radio yesterday playing audio of a German stadium crowd singing along to "Country Road" during some sporting event. They speculated it might be because John Denver's birth name was "Henry John Deutschendorf Jr."

Posted by: ShainS -- The Humiliation is Part of the Kink at November 17, 2022 11:48 AM (K3TEc)

221 Posted by: Lawrence Duffield at November 17, 2022 11:44 AM (ZD8Is)

You must have been out of the country when Reagan was President.

Posted by: polynikes at November 17, 2022 11:48 AM (pAYE7)

222 You could wind up voting for both of them on the same ticket.
Posted by: a facsimile of a commentor - takes one to know one at November 17, 2022 11:45 AM (WOF+X)


That's my dream. Trump moves residency to NY and sets DS up to head the ticket for 2028.

Posted by: Emmie at November 17, 2022 11:48 AM (Emce2)

223 It's not Endgame profits,

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Or Top Gun II profits either

Posted by: runner at November 17, 2022 11:49 AM (uXTLF)

224 Big announcement coming from Pelosi. "It is with great reluctance that I inform you that I plan to go spend time with the tens of millions of dollars I somehow acquired as a public servant."
Posted by: turnout man


Big announcement coming from Pelosi. "It is with great reluctance that I inform you that I plan to go spend time with a hammer handle."

Posted by: rickb223 at November 17, 2022 11:49 AM (tfjlC)

225 223 Or Top Gun II profits either
Posted by: runner at November 17, 2022 11:49 AM (uXTLF)

=======

"That's just because of Tom Cruise. There is no other lesson to learn here. None at all."
-Hollywood

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, drinking whiskey and getting into fights with Sam Peckinpah at November 17, 2022 11:49 AM (LvTSG)

226 ELP, good one Doof.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ Donald Trump is the heartbeat of MAGA at November 17, 2022 11:49 AM (gfCY0)

227 In the 70s I was still in the Corps. Got detailed out where I got a civilian (suit and tie) clothing allowance, one time deal. Went to a Haddasah thrift store in Silver Springs MD and Brooks Brothers all the way baby. Florsheim Imperials.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at November 17, 2022


***
I'd have gone that route if there had been any worthwhile thrift stores in Lafayette, Lousy-ana. Lafayette had only 75K people then, and always seemed to be out of whatever I wanted, or to have never heard of it.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at November 17, 2022 11:50 AM (J2vNu)

228 210 I want to see him embrace Trumpism before I cast my lot with him, however.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at November 17, 2022 11:38 AM (y2RgW)

Are you saying Trump is your movement? Or is it life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness as written in our founding documents, which is counter to our current government culture?

In my extremely humble standpoint: Trump was a president...he is not my leader nor did he instill these values in me. I felt this way long before he stepped out.
Posted by: Miss Issippi at November 17, 2022 11:47 AM (sI15f)

In this context it probably refers to "Manage the Decline" vs "Make America Great Again". People want a noisy fight to the finish rather than a polite surrender.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 17, 2022 11:50 AM (eYoxG)

229 He now has a Kill List. Let loose the Kraken and feast on his kills. Currently, he is circling McConnell.
Posted by: Puddinhead at November 17, 2022 11:23 AM (tiR3O)
===================
McConnell won't be around anyway. But implied in your point is Trump doesn't have a unified power base in Washington, a power group with enough strength to defend him. And that is right on.

In his first term, consequently, he was on defense the whole time and it'll be exactly the same thing the second term.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 17, 2022 11:50 AM (a8Rob)

230 He basically is our worst enemy.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 17, 2022 11:45 AM (Ivdso)

Pence is a false Christian. He is just a big enough prudish asshole to "appear" as the world has been taught a Christian looks like. The truth is he is extremely prideful, arrogant, haughty and scheming. He is a wolf.

Posted by: Miss Issippi at November 17, 2022 11:50 AM (sI15f)

231 I also try to look cute everyday.

Sadly, I don't have much to work with.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 17, 2022 11:50 AM (ZLI7S)

232 John Denver was an amazing songwriter who created real lasting classic songs that people can sing along to. You can dislike the guy and his hippy dippy FAR OUT persona and not like his songs but you gotta respect the guy's catalog and influence on culture.

Farva was right: John Denver getting Country Artist of the Year was an insult to country and ludicrous, but Denver is a true major artist.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 17, 2022 11:51 AM (Ivdso)

233 Big announcement coming from Pelosi. "It is with great reluctance that I inform you that I plan to go spend time with the tens of millions of dollars I somehow acquired as a public servant."

Posted by: turnout man at November 17, 2022 11:47 AM (CIcwn)

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Two questions:
(1) Does she get to keep the Giant Gavel.
(2) Will Kevin McCarthy-Luntz rip up F. Joe Biden's slurred SOTU ... you know, the thing?

Posted by: ShainS -- The Humiliation is Part of the Kink at November 17, 2022 11:51 AM (K3TEc)

234 I have never, and will never donate to any political candidate or group. They get my vote, that's it. They already take too much of my money as it is.
Posted by: toddg


I have said it here many times. I refuse to donate to someone who can grift more in one day than I make in a year.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 17, 2022 11:51 AM (tfjlC)

235 Maybe JT has taken a speed reading course and read the commentary before he posted.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke

I was just ready to jump in the shower and I never read the content when I'm nakee, lest I become aroused.

Posted by: JT at November 17, 2022 11:51 AM (T4tVD)

236 If we open the borders to illegal immigrants, we'll increase our target demographic by millions a year!!! It's a sure fire winning bet, just like remaking all our previously successful superheroes as LGBTQ+ women of color!
Posted by: Bob Chapek at November 17, 2022 11:13 AM (JCZqz)

You'd have to pay me a lot more than $189 to spend a day at Disneyworld. sport. $1890, and comp all the food and booze, and maybe we can talk.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 17, 2022 11:51 AM (z9Nh0)

237 "MurkCowSki is gaining on Tshibaka but is not there yet.
Boebert's still afloat." Posted by: Braenyard

but neither gets 50%, so the ranked choice votes get counted next (in a week or so). Seems likely Dem friendly Murky gets more of the Dems second choice. R's maybe split their vote, though if they were smart they would not make second choices (Murk probably advised that, idk).

Posted by: illiniwek at November 17, 2022 11:51 AM (Cus5s)

238 Everyone hates McConnell and he's still there, right?

Posted by: blaster at November

His retaining power was never in doubt. The vote itself was political theater.

Posted by: Not voting our way out at November 17, 2022 11:51 AM (1XmFF)

239 The Germans and the Japanese seem to really love John Denver's music. I've seen multiple sportsball games where the crowd is singing along to 'Country Roads'.

Weird but oddly pleasing.


I once saw a story about a German band that covered Willie Nelson. It was great hearing them sing "Auf der Autobahn" instead of "On the Road Again".

Posted by: Archimedes at November 17, 2022 11:51 AM (eOEVl)

240 At this moment, the Presidency is a suckers bet, If DeSantis gives up the Governorship for the White House, he's crazy.

Because the same forces that arrayed against Trump will array against DeSantis if he attempts to implement the same policy preferences as Trump.

Like do you really think the Donks or GOP are going to fund a DeSantis border wall, or any other initiatives that Trump pushed simply because DeSantis is slightly more polished?

No, that's not happening.

What DeSantis should do is remain being the awesome Governor of Florida, set the tone and example of what solid, capital-C Conservative GOP governance looks like and act as a bulwark against a growing tyrannical Federal Government.

The people pushing DeSantis to run really want him off the field as much as they want Trump.

Let Trump be Trump and Smash These MotherF**kers or Die Trying.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 17, 2022 11:51 AM (up/3i)

241 I loved Angry Arizona Man from the sidebar. Every word he said is correct. I had to laugh at what I think I saw at the end...a few people in the audience not applauding, but doing "jazz hands." L-O-L

Posted by: Lady in Black at November 17, 2022 11:52 AM (sVtYq)

242 The truth is he is extremely prideful, arrogant, haughty and scheming. He is a wolf.

Real Christians can, sadly, be pretty awful for a time. Being saved doesn't make us perfect.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 17, 2022 11:52 AM (Ivdso)

243 227 Got lucky on that one. The widow was donating the stuff and we were the same size.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at November 17, 2022 11:52 AM (lz5hY)

244 I also try to look cute everyday.

Sadly, I don't have much to work with.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 17, 2022 11:50 AM (ZLI7S)



Bro.

*fistbump*

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 17, 2022 11:52 AM (Zz0t1)

245 I also try to look cute everyday.

Sadly, I don't have much to work with.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 17, 2022 11:50 AM (ZLI7S)

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I've found that a full-face beard doubles my cuteness.

Posted by: ShainS -- The Humiliation is Part of the Kink at November 17, 2022 11:52 AM (K3TEc)

246 I'm no Pence fan but the demonization of Pence arises solely because he did not stop the electoral certification. I find that ridiculous.

Posted by: polynikes at November 17, 2022 11:53 AM (pAYE7)

247 >>> Can the Air Force train new pilots without planes?

Airmen are gearing up for what could be the most consequential move in military pilot training since the Air Force was created in 1947: teaching students to fly without stepping foot in a real airplane.

https://valorguardians.com/blog/?p=133653
Posted by: SMH at what's coming at November 17, 2022 11:39 AM (Iy8Rs)


Brokeback Barry canceled the t-6 texan II to screw with domestic trainer production giving it all away to foreign run companies.

Posted by: banana Dream at November 17, 2022 11:53 AM (PY/t0)

248 246 I'm no Pence fan but the demonization of Pence arises solely because he did not stop the electoral certification. I find that ridiculous.
Posted by: polynikes at November 17, 2022 11:53 AM (pAYE7)

Flynn.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 17, 2022 11:54 AM (eYoxG)

249 Maybe JT has taken a speed reading course and read the commentary before he posted.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke



Because it fits........


https://youtu.be/HrwDzuUtQKY

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 17, 2022 11:54 AM (Zz0t1)

250 >>I've found that a full-face beard doubles my cuteness.

I might go back to wearing a mask.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 17, 2022 11:54 AM (ZLI7S)

251 I'm no Pence fan but the demonization of Pence arises solely because he did not stop the electoral certification.

He was almost certainly the "inside the white house" source of leaks trying to harm Trump as well.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 17, 2022 11:54 AM (Ivdso)

252 In his first term, consequently, he was on defense the whole time and it'll be exactly the same thing the second term.
---------------
I told you he now has a Kill List. DeSantis doesn't. He can self fund. DeSantis can't. We have the perfect weapon before us. Sieze the Moment.

Posted by: Puddinhead at November 17, 2022 11:54 AM (tiR3O)

253 The people pushing DeSantis to run really want him off the field as much as they want Trump.

Broad brush much?

Posted by: Archimedes at November 17, 2022 11:54 AM (eOEVl)

254 200
'But then he betrays everything and acts like its worst enemies portray Christianity'

Pontius Pilate was in the Bible too.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at November 17, 2022 11:54 AM (vNbzm)

255 did we do this already, because HFS!!%@^@#&

@MZHemingway
Body Cam Video Shows Paul Pelosi Opened Door for Police, Despite DOJ Saying Otherwise: Source
https://tinyurl.com/6tr8ew3n

Link to Molly tweet and a link to NBC story

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 17, 2022 11:54 AM (IyrhE)

256 So...what pronouns does chocolate use?


Her/she

Posted by: Diogenes at November 17, 2022 11:54 AM (anj39)

257 I'm no Pence fan but the demonization of Pence arises solely because he did not stop the electoral certification.

The elbow bump with Pelosi is a tell.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 17, 2022 11:55 AM (tfjlC)

258 In his first term, consequently, he was on defense the whole time and it'll be exactly the same thing the second term.
==
The only president who won't be on defense the whole time because he has a unified power base in DC will be a deep state tool. And everybody now knows it. But if you'd rather avoid the drama, just vote for Biden again. Or whomever takes over for him - Michelle, Oprah, or Jeb! or Romney, or Niki Haley . . . there's a fairly long list of "choices" that amount to the same thing isn't there. The challenging choices are few. Maybe two.

Posted by: a facsimile of a commentor - takes one to know one at November 17, 2022 11:55 AM (0kLdd)

259 I loved Angry Arizona Man from the sidebar. Every word he said is correct. I had to laugh at what I think I saw at the end...a few people in the audience not applauding, but doing "jazz hands." L-O-L

Posted by: Lady in Black at November 17, 2022 11:52 AM (sVtYq)

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Ditto -- sent the link to some of our friends. Epic.

As commenter brak said in the previous thread: "Trump should hire this guy to introduce him at rallies."

Posted by: ShainS -- The Humiliation is Part of the Kink at November 17, 2022 11:55 AM (K3TEc)

260 no Pence fan but the demonization of Pence arises solely because he did not stop the electoral certification. I find that ridiculous.

Posted by: polynikes at 

Solely?

He was a leaker.

Posted by: Not voting our way out at November 17, 2022 11:55 AM (1XmFF)

261 He was almost certainly the "inside the white house" source of leaks trying to harm Trump as well.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 17, 2022 11:54 AM (Ivdso)M

Don't agree.

Posted by: polynikes at November 17, 2022 11:55 AM (pAYE7)

262 I'm no Pence fan but the demonization of Pence arises solely because he did not stop the electoral certification.

The elbow bump with Pelosi is a tell.
==
Not to mention the generous book contract. They don't do that for people that are not in the club.

Posted by: a facsimile of a commentor - takes one to know one at November 17, 2022 11:55 AM (0kLdd)

263 253 "The people pushing DeSantis to run really want him off the field as much as they want Trump."

Broad brush much?
Posted by: Archimedes at November 17, 2022 11:54 AM (eOEVl)

Some of them anyways. It's a risk some of his ordinary fans aren't considering.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 17, 2022 11:55 AM (eYoxG)

264 Pence was in charge of the China virus task force.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 17, 2022 11:56 AM (ZLI7S)

265 I once saw a story about a German band that covered Willie Nelson. It was great hearing them sing "Auf der Autobahn" instead of "On the Road Again".
Posted by: Archimedes at November 17, 2022


***
Equally startling: The Beatles doing "Komm, Gib Mir Deine Hand" ("I Want to Hold Your Hand").

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at November 17, 2022 11:56 AM (J2vNu)

266 Real Christians can, sadly, be pretty awful for a time. Being saved doesn't make us perfect.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 17, 2022 11:52 AM (Ivdso)

Not what I was saying, but I know your point. Being saved, I would never get into politics in the first place. He appears as a Christian and that's his schtick. He is very aware that it is what people see him as, but that mask has come off. He is a deceiver. That was my point.

Posted by: Miss Issippi at November 17, 2022 11:56 AM (sI15f)

267 So...what pronouns does chocolate use?


Her/she
Posted by: Diogenes at November 17, 2022 11:54 AM (anj39)



Eat/Me

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 17, 2022 11:56 AM (Zz0t1)

268 I might go back to wearing a mask.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 17, 2022 11:54 AM (ZLI7S)

--------

LOL

Posted by: ShainS -- The Humiliation is Part of the Kink at November 17, 2022 11:56 AM (K3TEc)

269 In my extremely humble standpoint: Trump was a president...he is not my leader nor did he instill these values in me. I felt this way long before he stepped out.
Posted by: Miss Issippi at November 17, 2022 11:47 AM (sI15f)

At this point, for me, the name of this movement is Trumpism. We could call it American Nationalism as well - I don't really care. There has been no other current GOP political figure that has articulated anything close to an over-arching guiding principle for this inchoate movement we have. As has been said on the blog before - conservatism itself is inchoate. What are we conserving, actually? For the GOPe, conservatism is simply getting us to socialism, but not as quickly as the progressives want to. I want no part of that 'conservatism'. If you want your values articulated - and they're my values as well - and you want to find someone other than Trump to lead it, we need to have someone other than him that articulates that clearly. DeSantis is close, but for me he hasn't sealed the deal on it just yet. He's acting like it, yes, but there is no DeSantis Doctrine that exists to get behind right now. He just looks like Trumpism, but more competent.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at November 17, 2022 11:57 AM (y2RgW)

270 An explanation on just how money became the most important factor in politics would be worthwhile. (That's rhetorical in case you're wondering.)

Because it sure as hell isn't the quality of the candidate or their positions on topical issues. Making bank as the public's representative is bullshit.

Fix this and a host of other issues goes away.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 17, 2022 11:57 AM (Q4IgG)

271 264 Pence was in charge of the China virus task force.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 17, 2022 11:56 AM (ZLI7S)

========

He did a great job of working with Republican governors to help clean up voting when given the task by Trump, like Ducey in AZ.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, drinking whiskey and getting into fights with Sam Peckinpah at November 17, 2022 11:57 AM (LvTSG)

272 254 200
'But then he betrays everything and acts like its worst enemies portray Christianity'

Pontius Pilate was in the Bible too.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at November 17, 2022 11:54 AM (vNbzm)

Seems an unfair comparison for Pontius Pilate. He tried several times.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 17, 2022 11:57 AM (eYoxG)

273 He did a great job of working with Republican governors to help clean up voting when given the task by Trump

He quit after a few weeks, I'm skeptical he had much imapct.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 17, 2022 11:58 AM (Ivdso)

274
He did a great job of working with Republican governors to help clean up voting when given the task by Trump, like Ducey in AZ.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, drinking whiskey and getting into fights with Sam Peckinpah at November 17, 2022 11:57 AM (LvTSG)

Did you forget your Sarc tag ?

Posted by: It's me donna at November 17, 2022 11:58 AM (bs+z0)

275 I'm no Pence fan but the demonization of Pence arises solely because he did not stop the electoral certification. I find that ridiculous.
Posted by: polynikes
==
Speaking of ridiculous, the formulation: I'm not Pence fan, but . . .

This is the third straight day you've spent your time defending him. If you "aren't a fan" are you related to him or on his payroll?

Posted by: a facsimile of a commentor - takes one to know one at November 17, 2022 11:58 AM (y9qn1)

276 Real Christians can, sadly, be pretty awful for a time. Being saved doesn't make us perfect.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
__

Ain't that the truth.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at November 17, 2022 11:58 AM (Iy8Rs)

277 Eat/Me
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 17, 2022 11:56 AM (Zz0t1)


Lol

Posted by: Diogenes at November 17, 2022 11:58 AM (anj39)

278 274
He did a great job of working with Republican governors to help clean up voting when given the task by Trump, like Ducey in AZ.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, drinking whiskey and getting into fights with Sam Peckinpah at November 17, 2022 11:57 AM (LvTSG)

Did you forget your Sarc tag ?
Posted by: It's me donna at November 17, 2022 11:58 AM (bs+z0)

==========

I never joke.

/sarc

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, drinking whiskey and getting into fights with Sam Peckinpah at November 17, 2022 11:58 AM (LvTSG)

279 224
I'd mortgage my house and give all the money to the RNC if McCarthy pretended to hit Pelosi with the hammer during the stupid transfer of power ceremony.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at November 17, 2022 11:58 AM (vNbzm)

280 >>> In this context it probably refers to "Manage the Decline" vs "Make America Great Again". People want a noisy fight to the finish rather than a polite surrender.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy
--------------------------------

I keep thinking of those Marines in Korea, undermanned and out gunned saving the bacon, against all odds.
Will has a lot to do with victory.
Surrender never wins.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ Donald Trump is the heartbeat of MAGA at November 17, 2022 11:58 AM (gfCY0)

281 @263 Red Turban Someguy-I believe the same thing. Kill two birds essentially with one stone.

Posted by: JROD at November 17, 2022 11:58 AM (IlL6s)

282 231 I also try to look cute everyday.

Sadly, I don't have much to work with.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 17, 2022 11:50 AM (ZLI7S)

Go get yourself a Lab puppy...

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at November 17, 2022 11:59 AM (CCSxw)

283 According to a distinguished authority, an honest politician is one who, when he is once bought, stays bought.

Variations on this thought have been put forth by different sources, unknown who was the original.

Posted by: Muldoon at November 17, 2022 11:59 AM (ykeLU)

284 246

Pence is a chickenshit that endorsed a stolen (from his own boss) election.

Does that make it more understandable?

Posted by: Dr. Claw at November 17, 2022 12:00 PM (vNbzm)

285
Go get yourself a Lab puppy...

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at November 17, 2022 11:59 AM (CCSxw)



And become a priest!

Posted by: The Last Art Thread at November 17, 2022 12:00 PM (Zz0t1)

286 Pence was in charge of the China virus task force.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 17, 2022 11:56 AM (ZLI7S)

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His legacy to the nation will have been Fauci & Birx.

Posted by: ShainS -- The Humiliation is Part of the Kink at November 17, 2022 12:00 PM (K3TEc)

287 273 "He did a great job of working with Republican governors to help clean up voting when given the task by Trump"

He quit after a few weeks, I'm skeptical he had much imapct.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 17, 2022 11:58 AM (Ivdso)

Pretty sure that was sarcasm.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 17, 2022 12:00 PM (eYoxG)

288 260 no Pence fan but the demonization of Pence arises solely because he did not stop the electoral certification. I find that ridiculous.

Posted by: polynikes at

Solely?

He was a leaker.
Posted by: Not voting our way out at November 17, 2022 11:55 AM (1XmFF)

Mike Flynn was fired because he 'lied' to Pence. Shall we take a second look at the nature of that 'lie"? Because without Flynn, Trump is suddenly defenseless against the machinations of the Deep State. Flynn knew where a lot of those bodies were buried - he saw Obama bury them.

Taking Flynn out was a very, very big deal.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at November 17, 2022 12:00 PM (y2RgW)

289 >Variations on this thought have been put forth by different sources, unknown who was the original.


Roy L. Fuchs, damn it

Posted by: DB at November 17, 2022 12:00 PM (geLO8)

290 The counter-counter argument is that Trump will be at his second term and won't need money after winning. So he won't be beholden to the big donors for another run in 2028.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at November 17, 2022 12:01 PM (cMXNt)

291 It's always fun when this little town makes national news:

https://bit.ly/3UJyLK5

And, yeah, owls don't make all that great of pets.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com - Email for morons. at November 17, 2022 12:01 PM (Bd6X8)

292 If Pence didn't see what a tipping point we arrived at in 2020 by way of a stolen presidential election, he's worthless. He's less than worthless. He conspired with the enemy of this republic.

Posted by: Lady in Black at November 17, 2022 12:01 PM (sVtYq)

293 I also try to look cute everyday.

Sadly, I don't have much to work with.
Posted by: JackStraw


*******

Try starting on a smaller scale. Develop acute pneumonia. Or acute gastroenteritis.

Posted by: Muldoon at November 17, 2022 12:01 PM (ykeLU)

294 He did a great job of working with Republican governors to help clean up voting when given the task by Trump, like Ducey in AZ.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, drinking whiskey and getting into fights with Sam Peckinpah at November 17, 2022 11:57 AM (LvTSG)

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Good point, had forgotten that. Like Kamala on The Border ...

Posted by: ShainS -- The Humiliation is Part of the Kink at November 17, 2022 12:01 PM (K3TEc)

295 @263

>>Some of them anyways. It's a risk some of his ordinary fans aren't considering.

Yeah, lets kick DeSantis up to the White House, lets see what he can get done with a non-compliant congress.

And that presumes he has at least one chamber which is not a sure bet.

Oh, and he'll rule by EO, great, these will be fought just as strenuously as Trumps were and be reversed as soon as a Donk gets into the WH.

We are in a tight spot and DeSantis is not going to get us out of it.

No one is.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 17, 2022 12:01 PM (up/3i)

296 DeSantis is close, but for me he hasn't sealed the deal on it just yet. He's acting like it, yes, but there is no DeSantis Doctrine that exists to get behind right now. He just looks like Trumpism, but more competent.

That's a perfectly reasonable position, although saying that DeS is doing Trumpism, only more competently, seems like a bit of a subconscious tell.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 17, 2022 12:02 PM (eOEVl)

297 >>He did a great job of working with Republican governors to help clean up voting when given the task by Trump, like Ducey in AZ.

I think Trump tabbed Pence for a few reasons. To help shore up the midwest vote, to be a bridge to Congress and to appease some who thought Trump was too far out of the mainstream.

In hindsight I don't think he helped in any area and his negatives far outweighed any positives. The reason Pence got so much heat on the 6th was because he loudly proclaimed at a rally before the 6th that he was going to represent our interests on that day. He folded like a cardboard suitcase.

He has nobody to blame for the reaction but himself.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 17, 2022 12:02 PM (ZLI7S)

298 Ace is Nood!

Posted by: Hawkpilot at November 17, 2022 12:02 PM (CO3WZ)

299 polynikes is a commenter who just recently changed his nic. Be interesting to know the old nic.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ Donald Trump is the heartbeat of MAGA at November 17, 2022 12:02 PM (gfCY0)

300 I told you he now has a Kill List. DeSantis doesn't. He can self fund. DeSantis can't. We have the perfect weapon before us. Sieze the Moment.
Posted by: Puddinhead at November 17, 2022 11:54 AM (tiR3O)
==========
Any evidence he ever killed anything in his first term? Like before, and even right now, he will spend all his time on self-defense. That is a sucky damn weapon.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 17, 2022 12:02 PM (fQarn)

301
Roy L. Fuchs, damn it
Posted by: DB at November 17, 2022 12:00 PM (geLO



I have Fuchs Dystrophy, to which I exclaim "DAMN YOU FUCHS!!!" quite often.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 17, 2022 12:02 PM (Zz0t1)

302 New thread on Presidential politics -- Ace is awake and *fired up*. NOOD

Posted by: gdgm+ at November 17, 2022 12:02 PM (1FoCx)

303 Ace is Nood!
Posted by: Hawkpilot at November 17, 2022 12:02 PM (CO3WZ)



Ewwwwwww.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 17, 2022 12:02 PM (Zz0t1)

304 >>Go get yourself a Lab puppy...

I had Golden puppies for years. One of them got a hug and kisses from a model/actress.

I got neither.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 17, 2022 12:03 PM (ZLI7S)

305 If I had a hammer

I'd hammer in my underwear

I'd hammer in my back door

I'd hammer all over this man

I'd hammer out love between my brothers and my brothers

Posted by: Pelosi Folk Band Revival at November 17, 2022 12:04 PM (PY/t0)

306 The more I read about DeSantis the more questions I have. Time will tell.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ Donald Trump is the heartbeat of MAGA at November 17, 2022 12:04 PM (gfCY0)

307 257 Posted by: rickb223 at November 17, 2022 11:55 AM (tfjlC)

Pence says the GOP can do better than Trump-I agree.

Pence thinks he is the better-he can go fuck a blender.

Posted by: sven at November 17, 2022 12:05 PM (Lzpvj)

308 299 Posted by: Braenyard, _ Donald Trump is the heartbeat of MAGA at November 17, 2022 12:02 PM (gfCY0)

polynikes is a 'ron or 'ette of long standing....

Posted by: sven at November 17, 2022 12:05 PM (Lzpvj)

309 I'll vote for either man. But anyone who doesn't have a plan for replacing the voters that will only turn out for Trump is gonna run headlong into Dave in Fla's nic line. I'd love to see anyone but the current idiots in charge. It's completely NOT up to me.
Posted by: Catherine at November 17, 2022 11:04 AM

There in lies the rub. Is there a large nobody but Trump crowd? I suppose there's some. But I have a feeling that there's way more that would vote for RDS over PDT and not turn out to vote for Trump. I will run to gladly vote for either. But I think with independents etc. Trump would lose the GA. I know people that are republican who have said they are tired of his antics. So if I had to pick based on whom I thought would win it in the general election I think it would be Desantis.

Posted by: Minnfidel Looking For Jackie at November 17, 2022 12:06 PM (yb11p)

310 296 DeSantis is close, but for me he hasn't sealed the deal on it just yet. He's acting like it, yes, but there is no DeSantis Doctrine that exists to get behind right now. He just looks like Trumpism, but more competent.

That's a perfectly reasonable position, although saying that DeS is doing Trumpism, only more competently, seems like a bit of a subconscious tell.
Posted by: Archimedes at November 17, 2022 12:02 PM (eOEVl)

Not that subconscious, actually. DeSantis is a governor, with a pliant legislature behind him. Most governors have a lot of power, and DeSantis' actual use of it puts him far above the Mendoza Line of current Republican gubernatorial competency. The key, ultimately, is whether he can put a team together if he were to get kicked upstairs to deal with the Deep State. That's the really big unknown with RDS - or even Trump for that matter. There has been no evidence of any such cadre of friendly government forces being even looked for, much less gathered.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at November 17, 2022 12:06 PM (y2RgW)

311 60% of DeSantis' donations are for $50,000 or more.

54% of Trump's donations are for $200 or less.

6% of DeSantis' donations are for $200 or less.

The big GOP donors backing DeSantis are backing him explicitly because he's not Trump and they think he'll play nicer with the corporate GOP.

DeSantis is GOPe-backed slop and the tool by which the GOPe is trying to free itself not just of Trump, but Trump voters in favor of a more socially-acceptable coalition that leans heavily on wine/soccer moms who don't like taxes. They're trying to sell him as "Trumpism without Trump" but the reality is DeSantis is "Business-as-usual Republicanism without Trump voters."

Posted by: Brock at November 17, 2022 12:06 PM (OpX6M)

312 This is the beating of the dead Michelle Fields horse that some find funny.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at November 17, 2022 11:37 AM (vNbzm)

It will never not be funny.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 17, 2022 12:07 PM (pz0zL)

313 312 Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 17, 2022 12:07 PM (pz0zL)

The effete too nice to exist GOP was shining in full glory as her arm lay there ripped off in the gutter.

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Posted by: Maria at November 17, 2022 12:10 PM (Impm5)

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Posted by: rickb223 at November 17, 2022 11:41 AM (tfjlC)

You mean percussion caps, right? There are some EweToobs on making your own. The thin aluminum from soda cans, plus compound you can buy.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 17, 2022 12:11 PM (pz0zL)

316 At this point I will vote for Mitt Romney over FJB and I voted for the Libertarian over Romney the last time he ran. Hell, I'd vote for John McCain in his current condition, at least he couldn't do anything actively destructive.

Posted by: Diesel Jones, Biologist to the Stars at November 17, 2022 12:11 PM (Vu7A1)

317 I'd just like to point out to both Ace and CBD that Trump actually LOST MONEY while President. Just by standing up to the Swamp, he pretty much put his (and his family's) lives, fortune, and reputation out on the chopping block.

He didn't have to. And he could have governed as the unprincipled deal maker a lot of the Swamp, like Bob Dole, thought he would be, which would have saved him a lot of crap. So when his critics have done that much for this country I might listen.

Posted by: SDN at November 17, 2022 12:15 PM (roWCJ)

318 Two questions:
(1) Does she get to keep the Giant Gavel.
(2) Will Kevin McCarthy-Luntz rip up F. Joe Biden's slurred SOTU ... you know, the thing?
Posted by: ShainS -- The Humiliation is Part of the Kink at November 17, 2022 11:51 AM (K3TEc)

(1) of course; she will shove it up Paul's ass.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 17, 2022 12:16 PM (pz0zL)

319 You mean percussion caps, right? There are some EweToobs on making your own. The thin aluminum from soda cans, plus compound you can buy.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon


Yeah. I have the #11 percussion cap maker. It doesn't cut them out like the say it does. Lots of trial and error.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 17, 2022 12:19 PM (tfjlC)

320 The Germans and the Japanese seem to really love John Denver's music. I've seen multiple sportsball games where the crowd is singing along to 'Country Roads'.

Weird but oddly pleasing.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at November 17, 2022 11:27 AM (V6f9+)

----
A few of my 8 grandchildren love
John Denver, Billy Joel and Taylor Swift. They all heard John Denver from me but they didn't latch on to van Morrison or the Band that I'm also always playing! My 2 grandsons are into techno crap.

Posted by: Chillin the most at November 17, 2022 12:20 PM (0uQp2)

321 Here is why I am (currently) not a fan of Trump. Just one morons opinion.

Trump’s ego is easily stroked. Had the dems tried that he would have gone ultra-libéral. As it is, he was easily managed by too many of the wrong people. Ivanka. Jared. Boltman.

He failed to fire people when they should have been fired. He kept on failing to fire people who we’re screwing up his orders.

And finally, he may live to campaign, but he’s lazy and sloppy. And so the poison spread under his administration to the point where the FBI is now a full stasi organization. I blame him for that.

I loved that he took us out of the forever wars. I was an idiot to support them and I have learned my lesson. I loved so much that he did. But when he needs to buckle down, he fails. And we can’t afford that again. I’ve already seen how he works.

For those who say he changed. Really? He raised so much money in vote fraud in 2020 and has left the Jan 6 grandmas and grandpas to rot in jail without a dime to assist. He collected 100 million in the last election and didn’t spend a dime on his candidates.

He has not changed.

Posted by: Justin Castrau at November 17, 2022 12:22 PM (ai2Yq)

322 I'd just like to point out to both Ace and CBD that Trump actually LOST MONEY while President.
Posted by: SDN

I don’t think any of us believe trump is corrupt. He is a good man. If he was even slightly corrupt he would be in jail. That he isn’t is absolute proof that hey have nothing on him. So I agree, he has sacrificed and I honor him for that. And so if he’s the last resort I’ll vote for him.

But he doesn’t have the discipline to do what needs to be done. Or, frankly, the brains. He’s smart but not that smart. And we need whip smart and disciplined to turn it around.

Or as Jesse Kelly likes to say, the next one will be harder and harder. Trump has torn off the masks. I’m willing to give DeSantis his chance, because the hour is late and trump has already shown he was not up to the challenge.

Posted by: Justin Castrau at November 17, 2022 12:28 PM (ai2Yq)

323 Trump never claimed that small donors and he financed his general election. But he did finance his 2016 PRIMARY with his own loans and small donors which was capped at $2700. Easy to research.

Posted by: cjhmhch at November 17, 2022 12:50 PM (5VgmD)

324 "we cannot trust our political leaders, no matter how aligned with our own beliefs their rhetoric seems"

You can't trust them because you can't or won't hold them accountable.

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