The Morning Report

The Morning Report — 11/11/22

Good morning, kids. Friday and as the recriminations and finger-pointing continue in the wake of the red wave that wasn't, it is amazing how so many people either ignore or give short shrift to what is now fast becoming institutionalized electoral fraud in a growing number of states and key districts. Was that the only reason the red wave didn't materialize? Of course not. But let me first delve into a couple of factors that are being pimped as the main causes but for sure weren't.

By any measure, Democrats exceeded expectations this week. Though listening to the triumphalism today, you’d think Joe Biden was Hannibal at Cannae. A fractured Republican Party just won the House and still has an outside shot at taking the Senate. The first term of an unpopular Biden [so-called] "presidency" is now effectively over (save the executive abuse).
As expected, though, the lazy Dobbs-sunk-the-GOP narrative quickly solidified on the left. “It turns out women enjoy having human rights, and we vote,” Hillary Clinton tweeted. Dem cheerleader Joe Scarborough called it a “massive backlash.” “It will take a while to sort out exactly why Republicans did so much worse than expected,” writes Michelle Goldberg in the New York Times. “But there seems little question that abortion was a big part of the story.”
Listen, if anyone had told conservatives 30 or 20 or even a year ago that the political price for overturning Roe v. Wade would mean taking back only one chamber of Congress in the subsequent midterm, they would never have believed you. So, even if the left’s tenuous claim that Dobbs saved them in 2022 is to be believed, the price for ridding the nation of the legal and moral abomination of Roe would be well worth it.
But it is a tenuous contention. . .
. . . We’ll know more later, but it doesn’t seem like an army of enraged women and young people flooded the polls to exact revenge on the court. If CNN’s exit polls are to be believed, Democrats lost support among women in 2022 compared to the last midterm in 2018. The Associated Press/Fox News exit poll found that 52 percent of voters were women in 2018, and 52 percent of all voters in 2022 were women. It is a myth that young people came out in droves. Democrats lost support among younger voters, as well. . .
. . . It’s true that pro-lifers lost abortion referendums, including, incomprehensibly, one in Montana that would have compelled medical care for “infants who are born alive.” It’s also true that numerous Republican candidates are either unable or frightened to articulate coherent pro-life views. These are problems for Republicans.
On the other hand, Ron DeSantis, Greg Abbott, and Brian Kemp (in a state where the Senate race is in a runoff) all signed heartbeat bills and easily won re-election. John Fetterman might have beaten a dubious carpetbagging conservative in Dr. Oz, but pro-life Republicans JD Vance and Mike Lee had no problem. It also looks like Adam Laxalt has a chance to knock off Catherine Cortez Masto, an incumbent who made nationalizing Roe v. Wade the central argument of her campaign.

Moving on to the next dubious reason for Tuesday's disappointment, the yuuuge orange gorilla in the room that is everyone's favorite piñata:

Nothing that happened this week makes DeSantis – who rightfully enjoyed a large victory in my home state, in large part due to the massive inward migration of MAGA Republicans, and in a slightly lesser part due to his laughably hopeless opponent Charlie Crist – the king of the America First movement.
As we begin to get some perspective after the risible “red trickle” falsehoods peddled over Tuesday night, people have begun to realize this midterm election went about as well as any of us had believed.
Not only did President Trump win 219 of his 235 endorsed races (that’s a 93 percent success rate at last count), but the Democrats just guaranteed themselves Joe Biden as their nominee for 2024.
In their zeal to create a “no red wave” narrative, they gave Beijing Joe credit for the disjointed, apoplectic, panicked messaging of abortion and the death of democracy. They have backed themselves into a Biden 2024 corner that is going to be long, arduous, and ultimately, defeated.
MAGA Republicans should also remember that they also do not simply fight the corporate media, the left, and the far left all at the same time. They also fight the same Republican moderates who are now whipping up division inside the party. Think about it. In the week Republicans retake the House, and probably the Senate, win a host of victories around the country and with more to come – the corporate Republican class wants to pick a fight with the man and the movement that got us here.
For example, the establishment GOP in Pennsylvania was dead set against Colonel Doug Mastriano, and they worked hand-in-hand with Democrats to defeat him. When your gubernatorial candidate is being attacked from all sides, including your own, your Senate candidate will also be dragged down, along with congressional candidates on the ballot.
If the GOP had actually rallied around the top of the ticket – Mastriano and Oz – they could have won together and delivered a down-ticket boost. But not only did the GOP establishment in that state lose the governor and the U.S. Senate race, they lost congressional races that should have been pickups. The blame lies with them, and they know it. Hence their projection – as always – onto Trump.

This from Charlie Hurt of the Washington Times via Breitbart:

Hurt rejected the idea that establishment Republicans have a case for blaming Trump for midterm losses. He noted that the Republican establishment does not have a great track record with picking winners. For example, former Sens. Martha McSally of Arizona and Kelly Loeffler of Georgia had been handpicked by the Republican establishment to fill vacant Senate seats in red states, but both of them lost their re-election bids in 2020 to Democrats.
“These are two candidates who didn’t even have to face voters,” Hurt said. “It gives them the greatest advantage that any senator has in a Senate race, which is incumbency. And both of those women, who were handpicked by establishment Republicans and dropped in the Senate seats, couldn’t hold on to their seats."
He continued, “So yes, you can blame Donald Trump if you want to, for one lost seat in Georgia, [but] we would not have [Georgia’s Democrat Sen.] Raphael Warnock if not for establishment Republicans dropping a terrible candidate in Kelly Loeffler into that seat.”Hurt said if the establishment is so good at picking candidates, “then explain why [Colorado’s Republican senatorial candidate Joe] O’Dea lost by 12 points.”
He added, “If you’re the establishment Republican Party, and you’re so effing good at all this stuff, then why [do] you pick candidates that even your own voters don’t support?”

THIS. Hello, Romney? McCain? Bueller?

Look, I do not want to get into an intestinal hassle with people over what Trump did or did not say about DeSantis, or even who should be the standard bearer for 2024. I am not going to engage in that shit because that's what it is. First, if Trump wants to attack DeSantis or vice versa, it's their prerogative to do so, since it is campaign season now in earnest and secondly, whatever they say and/or how they say it will redound positively or negatively on either of them in the minds of the base. If anyone has a suggestion whereby rivals can out-compliment themselves to determine which one wins, I'm sure both campaigns would be eager to hear from you.

On a personal level, whatever Trump's shortcomings are – and yes he does have them – I'm just not going to open fire on perhaps the greatest president in over 100 years and among the best ever. That also goes for Ron DeSantis who potentially can rise to Trump-level greatness if given the chance. In any case, the media will distort and gin up crap all by themselves to sow discord and unrest in our camp anyway. Politics ain't beanbag so let the chips fall where they may.

I've covered the fraud factor for the past two days now. It cannot be ignored. The 2020 scam has now been "fortified" and the results speak for themselves. If nothing else convinces you, ask yourself this: how can Katie Hobbs be both a candidate AND continue to act in her role as secretary of state, a prime function of that office being the running of elections and the tabulating/validation of the vote count? QE-fucking-D.

While that alone is something that is an absolute nightmare and proof positive that we have descended to banana republic level, my wanting to believe that that is the sole factor would be strangely comforting were it not for the real nightmare we are facing, as Robert Spencer duly notes:

If Della Volpe’s numbers are correct, and 64% of voters between the ages of 18 and 29 really voted for Democrats, then one thing is clear: the corruption and politicization of our educational system has worked.

One thing I know already.
If not for voters under 30 … tonight WOULD have been a Red Wave.
CNN National House Exit Poll
R+ 13 65+ R+ 11 45-64
D +2 30-44 D +28 18-29#GenZ did their job.
— John Della Volpe (@dellavolpe) November 9, 2022
What he is crowing about is the apparent fact that the voting group with the least life experience and the most recent subjection to the Leftist indoctrination that dominates America’s educational system ended up voting as it was brainwashed to do. Gee, that’s terrific, if you like evidence of the success of the relentless propagandizing of a vulnerable and impressionable captive audience, but neither John Della Volpe nor anyone else should be proud of it. What it shows is not that the Leftist case is compelling or persuasive; it shows that patriotic Americans have been far too complacent in allowing public schools to become centers of Leftist indoctrination and hatred of our own nation and heritage. . .
. . . this endeavor has been going on since long before Garland first put on his jackboots and resolved to destroy the republic. In the 1960s, Leftists began what Communist activist Rudi Dutschke indelibly dubbed “the Long March Through the Institutions". . . The Long March Through the Institutions was the same kind of slow, steady takeover, as Communists, leftists, and their allies gradually gained control of America’s colleges and universities, its primary and secondary educational systems, its popular culture, and above all its ever-growing federal bureaucracy.
This has created a situation in which those who oppose this multifarious and all-encompassing establishment are universally derided virtually everywhere one turns: in what are supposed to be objective and impartial news broadcasts; in lessons at every level of the educational system about the nation’s history, present condition, and future prospects; in movies, popular music, and more. All of the late-night comedians who host talk shows are part of this camp, and they hobnob with the political elites, and yet they still posture as if they were plucky outsiders going up against a stultified and stultifying entrenched orthodoxy. . .
. . . Many, if not most, of the Gen Z-ers who voted overwhelmingly for the Left will, as they get older, come to realize how foolish and wrongheaded they were to support socialist internationalism and the managed decline of the United States. But others will never wake up, and will applaud that decline as retribution for centuries of alleged racism and colonialism. Even as their own cities and towns become ever more squalid, poor, dirty, and dangerous, they will continue to think of themselves as righteous for having chosen all that. That pride will be all they have left.

And that my friends leads me directly into noting that today is Veteran's Day. It used to be a holiday that for me was a happy occasion, a time to thank those who wear or wore the uniform for their service and sacrifices to keep us free. Over the past several years, it has turned into a day of poignancy bordering on melancholy given the state of the nation for which those men and women served, and the complete degradation of our armed forces for those who are still in service. As the collective memory of those who served in World War 2, Korea and Vietnam fades away as more of them pass into history, we lose a vital connection to our past.

What does that leave us with? A lobotomized mass of sheeple, much like the Gen Z-ers who voted for a literal ham sandwich to be Senator from Pennsylvania because, Democrat good, GOP evil.

Anyway, now more than ever, when you see a veteran thank them, and more importantly, help them out however you can if they're struggling. They deserve at least a little kindness, something this government refuses to do for obvious reasons.

Chin up, and have a good weekend.

ABOVE THE FOLD, BREAKING, NOTEWORTHY

". . . it’s astonishing how many of these YGLs completed the program well before the climax of their influence. For example, Putin graduated before he became president of Russia, Page and Brin before Google became a publicly traded company, and Gates and Merkel were in the program’s inaugural year back in 1993."
Who Are the World Economic Forum's 'Young Global Leaders?' The Names May Surprise You.
"If Oster’s essay means anything, it signals that we are in a new phase of a long movement towards totalitarianism. One clue is that its push to forget, to nudge us into cultural amnesia, is a constant hallmark of totalitarianism. Another giveaway is that our elites—the 'experts' who tell us what’s best for us and what we can say and do--have for decades pressed hard for control over all conversations in the public square."
Chinese COVID Amnesty is a Distraction from What’s Coming: Greater Censorship and Atomization
Robert Spencer: "One group saved the left from being completely obliterated. . . If Della Volpe’s numbers are correct, and 64% of voters between the ages of 18 and 29 really voted for Democrats, then one thing is clear: the corruption and politicization of our educational system has worked."
There WOULD Have Been a Red Wave, But…..
Lloyd Billingsley: "This Veterans Day, honor wounded survivors of the Battle of Fort Hood."
11/5 and Still Alive

CIVIL WAR 2.0: J-6 FBI FALSE FLAG "RIOT" & AFTERMATH, LEFTIST PERSECUTIONS, DEMOCRAT PUTSCH, AMERICAN DISSOLUTION

Heather Mac Donald: "Well, that was a dud. Not the abortive 'red wave,' but the Democratic expectation (read: ill-disguised hope) that 'election deniers" would disrupt polling places on Tuesday with violence and intimidation."
The Other Imaginary Red Wave
"Judge Thomas Hogan said [Ryan] Nichols still represents a danger to society for his alleged conduct during the riot, leading to multiple counts of obstruction, violence and disorderly conduct, Politico reported. Nichols spent 20 months at a detention facility in Rappahannock, Virginia, before Hogan released him, allowing him to gather evidence needed to make his case at his upcoming trial."
Marine Vet Jailed For 20 Months On J6 Charges Granted Partial Release On The Corps’ Birthday
David Harsanyi: "Elon Musk is right. Shared power curbs the worst excesses of D.C. It is also a true reflection of the national mood."
‘Democracy’ Is Dead. Long Live Democracy!
RED-GREENS, CLIMATE CHANGE HOAX, DEMOCRAT-LEFT WAR ON FOSSIL FUELS, JUNK SCIENCE, LYSENKOISM
On Thursday’s broadcast of Bloomberg’s “Surveillance,” EPA Administrator Michael Regan stated that he doesn’t think the 2022 midterms will change the fact that the agency has been given power “to pursue the reduction of greenhouse gas emissions to protect public health and protect the planet” through regulations and that the agency got a boost in its goals from the passage of the Inflation Reduction Act.
EPA Reichsminister: Elections Won’t Change our Power to Regulate, Our Regulations Were Enhanced Under Biden
"In other words, the models continue to express opinion, not science. To rely on any model for establishing climate policy is not only foolish, it is downright irresponsible."
Not One Climate Model Predicts Global Temperature; All Predict Too Much Warming
THE ECONOMY, STUPID
"The Labor Department’s consumer price index rose by 0.4 percent from September. The Consumer Price Index (CPI) is up 7.7 percent year-over-year.
Joe Biden: Rising Inflation ‘Will Take Time’ to Get Back to Normal
"The Biden [junta's] Inflation Reduction Act recently approved $80 billion in funding for the IRS, which the agency will leverage to hire 87,000 new employees over the next decade. More than doubling the agency’s payroll is intended to decrease wait times for phone calls and in-person help centers, as well as upgrade information technology used by agents."
Biden Nominates New IRS Chief as the Agency Prepares to Double in Size
Despite the court’s decision, White House Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre said the program would “move full speed ahead.”
Federal Judge Blocks Biden’s ‘Unconstitutional’ Student Loan Forgiveness Plan
“That extra cash will be a much needed lifeline to cover other bills or necessary expenses for many. But some borrowers plan to spend the money more freely.”
Majority of Student Loan Bailout Plan Recipients to Spend Money on Travel, Eating Out
AMERICA AND THE WORLD IMPRISONED: CHINESE CORONAVIRUS FICTIONS AND FACTS
"All in all, the panic over [Chinese] COVID has simply provided more damning evidence that the so-called elites who run our society are generally bankrupt, have incredibly poor judgment, and should be fired as soon as possible."
Time for another Wuhan panic update
Why a left-leaning justice would help keep the [Chinese] COVID fires burning is also no mystery. But what will remain a mystery is why New Yorkers continue to tolerate a government that insists they take a vaccine that provides the illusion of protection while denying them actual protection from “clear and present” dangers.
Sotomayor Lets NYC Vax Mandate for Public Workers Stand
"Aims for projected revenue of $102 billion this year."
Pfizer Boasts of “Multi-Billion Dollar” Chinese COVID Vaccine Franchise as it Marks Up Price by 10,000 Per Cent
AMNESTY, IMMIGRATION, BORDER SECURITY
"The Bay State joins 16 other states as well as Washington, D.C., in allowing the undocumented to have driving privileges." (FFS, stop calling them "undocumented" - jjs)
Massachusetts Voters Affirm Measure Allowing Illegal Aliens To Get Driver’s Licenses
"Not even Democrats want the current border policies to continue."
Americans Want Big Changes In Immigration Policy After Election: I&I/TIPP Poll
"America Needs to Take Immigration 101."
America Needs to Take Immigration 101
CRIME & PUNISHMENT, NON-DOSTOYEVSKY
“'I’m happy Hochul won, but I don’t want her to think winning gives her a pass to keep things status quo,” said the voter. “She’s got her work cut out for her. None of us who rides the trains feel safe.' Then. Why. Did. You. Vote. For. Her?"
Hochul Voters Deserve the Crime-Ridden State They Voted For
They're not in denial. They're in coverup mode because Democrats are the "root cause" of crime.
NY Democrats Still in Denial on Reality of Soaring Crime
"Buta Biberaj's office is plagued by 'almost weekly mistakes.'"
Nazi Collaborator Soros Prosecutor Botches Another Case, Frees Second Murder Suspect in a Month
"[Jesse "the Asshole"] Ventura added that [Tim] Walz also invited him to the bill’s signing. The former governor has reportedly attempted to legalize marijuana for 20 years." (wait until Minnesota becomes majority Muslim, so have another hit - jjs)
Minnesota Governor Promises Marijuana Legalization Will Be One Of First Bills Passed Under Newly-Flipped Legislature
EDUCATION, AND WHAT PASSES FOR IT
"That Coulter’s blacklisting occurred on November 9th, the anniversary of Kristallnacht in Germany, is most significant."
Today’s blacklisted American: Student mob shuts down Ann Coulter speech at Cornell
"'They think they own your kids,' wrote school choice advocate Corey DeAngelis."
Chi-Com Spy Fuckee and Projectile Flatus Emitter Eric Swalwell Says Supporting Parental Rights in Education Is as 'Stupid' as 'Putting Patients in Charge of Their Own Surgeries'
"Trying to save race-based admission policies."
The Systemic Racism of the Teachers Unions
ABORTION
Way to go, Montana. Mengele cracked a smile from hell.
Montana Voters Reject Measure Requiring Care For Babies Born Alive
David Harsanyi: "Listen, if anyone had told conservatives 30 or 20 or even a year ago that the political price for overturning Roe v. Wade would mean taking back only one chamber of Congress in the subsequent midterm, they would never have believed you. So, even if the left’s tenuous claim that Dobbs saved them in 2022 is to be believed, the price for ridding the nation of the legal and moral abomination of Roe would be well worth it. But it is a tenuous contention."
Contra Conventional Wisdom, There Is Little Evidence Dobbs Hurt Republicans
"Tuesday may have been disappointing for Republicans, but pro-abortion fanatics didn’t win big either."
Abortion Didn't Hold Back Republicans
Terry Jeffrey: "The deadly face of the Left."
Biden Vows to Legalize Nationwide Killing of Unborn Babies
THE 2020 ELECTION HEIST AND AFTERMATH
"Red waves and other optimistic emotional constructs are healthy, but the reality is that the Left has installed a massive electoral blockage that rivals the famed Hoover Dam."
You Can’t Have a Red Wave with a Blue Dam
DEMOCRAT/LEFTIST AND RINO SCANDALS, MESHUGAS, CHUTZPOCRISY
"Sam Bankman-Fried is under investigation for mishandling customer deposits as his company implodes."
Beleaguered Crypto Billionaire Was Hobnobbing at White House Just Six Months Ago
2022 MIDTERMS AFTERMATH
William Jacobson: "Controlling the House means no more Biden legislation, and investigations of the corrupt Biden family influence peddling business."
2022 Midterms: Not a Tsunami, But Some Real Republican Gains
"Apparently, Maricopa is counting at a rapid rate of five votes an hour…?"
Third World Nonsense: Maricopa County Delays Results Until After Weekend
“Democrats spent more than $40 million boosting six Republicans who vocally supported Mr. Trump or got his endorsement. All those candidates lost.” (how many candidates that endorsed won? - jjs)
Democrats Backing Trump-Endorsed GOP Candidates in Primaries Worked
"Trump's endorsement success rate is over 90 per cent this year. No One else can deliver such results, despite what the media wants you to fight each other over."
The Uniparty NEEDS You To Believe There Was No Trump-Led Red Wave. It’s a Lie. And Here’s Why (And How) They’re Doing It…
"Boebert took the lead in the race for Colorado’s Third Congressional District, slightly edging out Frisch by just under 800 votes with 98 percent of the votes counted, by 3:30 p.m eastern."
Colorado Republican Lauren Boebert Leads in Tight Congressional Race
"Georgia law requires the top two candidates to compete in a head-to-head rematch if neither reaches 50 percent of the vote on Election Day. The runoff will take place on Dec. 6."
Eviction Notice: Ebenezer Baptist Scrooge Warnock Likely Headed to December Runoff
A source close to the Walker campaign told Fox News that the candidate will focus on “rallies in large-population areas where turnout happens, with the aim to energize supporters of former President Donald Trump, ‘soft Republicans’ and independents to vote in the runoff contest.”:
Herschel Walker Raises $3.3 Million One Day After Georgia Goes into Runoff Election

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"Eight reasons why the Florida governor had a big election night."
Ron’s Rules
Democrats lost a huge amount of Latino support in Florida because "socialism does not play there," Psaki tweeted, saying "the Latino vote is not the same everywhere."
Piss-Hockey Psaki Casually Admits That Dems Peddle Socialism
Abrams, who trailed Georgia governor Brian Kemp (R.) by 9 points with 72 percent of the vote reported Tuesday night, raised nearly $100 million between her campaign and leadership committee, state filings show. O’Rourke, meanwhile, raised $77 million and spent $72 million as of October 29—he trailed Texas governor Greg Abbott (R.) by more than 10 points with 60 percent of the vote reported. O'Rourke even broke Texas’s four-month fundraising record in July, when he raised $28 million.
Dems Blow Nearly $200 Million on Perennial Losers Beto "Irish Mickey" O’Rourke, "Tank" Abrams
"If we actually care about unborn life, and making sure children are not taught to hate themselves in schools, then we have to actually win elections."
Disaster in Pennsylvania
"Britt had worked as chief of staff to retiring Senator Richard Shelby (Ala.) and decided to in his place since he was retiring."
Conservative Katie Britt Elected the First Female Senator from Alabama
Sean, she and her ilk could care fuck-all for white bread males like you. Your kind are on the path to extinction in your former party.
Sean Patrick Maloney rails against Titty Caca AOC: ‘didn’t do anything’ for top Democrats, ‘nowhere to be found’
“So yes, you can blame Donald Trump if you want to, for one lost seat in Georgia, [but] we would not have [Georgia’s Democrat Sen.] Raphael Warnock if not for establishment Republicans dropping a terrible candidate in Kelly Loeffler into that seat.” (ditto Martha McSally in AZ, etc. etc. - jjs)
Establishment Republicans Are Wrong to Blame Donald Trump for Midterm Losses

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"There are about 50 million eligible voters in France. There is no mail-in voting. There are no absentee ballots, although there is proxy voting where one French voter can vote for one other voter. All other voting is done in person. There are paper ballots that are counted the minute the polls are closed. That’s right; paper. A great, big, grown-up country like France uses paper ballots to conduct elections. Why? Concerns about fraud."
What Does France Know About Elections That We Don't?
"There are still plenty of reasons to celebrate what happened in New York — and here they are."
Why New York’s GOP Midterm Loss is More of a Win Than You Think
"Amid a disappointing midterm for the Republican Party, the Empire State, of all places, has provided some consolation."
New York’s Red Splash
"A historically unpopular [so-called quote-unquote "president"] with rapidly declining cognitive abilities. Presiding over a crippling inflation crisis and an economy heading south in a hurry. And he has a better mid-term record than Barack Obama or Bill Clinton. Makes perfect sense."
b l a c k p i l l e d
"One can only hope it doesn't take the nation decades and a descent into post-apocalyptic chaos to reach its 'tipping point' moment."
No ‘Tipping Point’ Yet. Will It Ever Come?
Daily Wire founder Ben Shapiro told his audience that “Candidate quality matters. Americans want stability and sobriety. … [They] are sick of crazy right now. … If you pick bad candidates you are going to lose.” This might have been a somewhat plausible argument if Pennsylvanians hadn’t elected a mentally handicapped, thumb-sucking, hooded vegetable as their senator who enjoys releasing convicted murderers out onto the streets and wants to empty prisons by more than 30 percent. This, as voters listed crime as one of the most important issues for the midterm elections. Not to mention Fetterman is as radically far-left as they come.
‘Candidate Quality’ Doesn’t Matter When You’ve Got a ‘D’ Next to Your Name
"As an analyst and long-time election observer who has watched too many red states turn blue, I can see exactly how the midterms played out."
Three Primary Factors Stopped That Red Wave
Julie Kelly: "If they ever want to win again—and that’s a big if—Republicans must play by the rules they helped create." (she emphasizes abortion a bit too much but otherwise at least highlights the fraud factor - jjs)
The 1980s Hangover and the GOP
It is amazing to me how even someone like Douglas Murray can completely ignore the now institutionalized voting fraud machine that played a significant, if not the significant role in what happened on Tuesday. Sorry, but I cannot believe abortion motivated what was an even bigger wave to stop the real red one.
Red Trickle Has an Upside: GOP Can Get Better, But Democrats Won't
POLITICS
"Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell is making a play for another term in leadership after he sabotaged chances for a GOP majority."
The Case Against Mitch McConnell For Leader
"Preparing for his second term in office, Donalds would be the most-recently elected member of the leadership team, and the only black member. Most other leadership candidates officially declared their bids Wednesday, circulating letters to the prospective Republican conference."
Florida Rep. Byron Donalds Officially Announces Run For Conference Chair
Rabbi Dov Fischer: "There was a significant Republican House victory but not a 'red wave.'”
Now the Real Work — the Hard Work — Begins for the GOP House
“Why would Democrats do anything differently now?”
The Death of Popularism
"Trump has done so much for us as president. Too many people are way too willing to pitch him over the side."
Why Do You Still Hate Donald Trump?
"The Trump versus DeSantis game is aimed at destroying both of these outstanding Americans."
Poisoning Relations Between Trump and DeSantis
"A recent poll after the midterms demonstrates this optimistic change. Thirty-three percent of Jews voted Republican in the primaries, up from 30% in 2020 and 24% in 2016. This new voting bloc proves two things: Jews are starting to wake up to political realities and letting go of their indoctrinated belief that Democrats are the 'Jewish party'; and the rise has nothing to do with and is not tied to Donald Trump and his pro-Israel positions."
Are American Jews Finally Leaving the Democrat Party?
THE UKRAINIAN "FRONT"
"What is the Biden [junta] doing in Ukraine? Given the state of our military, we should postpone all conflict until we are better prepared—assuming the Chinese will grant us that time."
Welcome to Ukrainistan
"Why were the realist Republicans called Putinists and fascists when they argued for the same thing the Biden [junta] is doing?"
$66 Billion In, It’s Clear the Realists Were Right About Ukraine
FOREIGN AFFAIRS, INTERNATIONAL
"Allied states should work together to forge a workable though more limited relationship with China in the future."
Responding to China's Global Influence
"The terrorist regime has seen a massive amount of protests following the death of Mahsa Amini on September 16."
Iran Votes to Execute 15,000 Participants in Women's Rights Protests
"Bluster away, Islamic Republic. Threaten all you want. It won’t help."
Iran Warns Saudi Arabia to Stop Reporting on Protests
DEFENSE, MILITARY, SECURITY AFFAIRS
"U.S. District Judge Gina Groh sentenced Jonathan Toebbe, who had top-secret security clearance in his role as a naval engineer, to 19 years and three months in prison, while his wife Diana, a teacher, received a sentence of 21 years and 10 months." (they should be hanged - jjs)
Here's What Happened to the Couple Caught Trying to Sell U.S. Nuclear Secrets
Daniel Greenfield: "Biden [junta] claims racial discrimination in college is needed for 'national security.'”
Using Military Wokeness to Justify Affirmative Action
DOMESTIC AFFAIRS, THE COURTS, WASTE/FRAUD/ABUSE
"At the same time the federal government was collecting this $318,576,000,000 in record taxes for the month of October, the federal government was spending $406,374,000,000—thus, running up a deficit of $87,798,000,000 for the month."
$318,576,000,000: Federal Tax Collections Set Record in October
ACTUAL SCIENCE, TECHNOLOGY
"American private enterprise now leads China 74 to 48 in the national rankings, but trails the rest of the world combined 76 to 74."
Atlas-5 completes last launch at Vandenberg
"Here however the ash field is eroding away not like a dune field but in chunks, producing distinct but randomly distributed canyons."
A cliff face of volcanic erosion on Mars
FEMINAZISM, TRANSGENDER PSYCHOSIS, HOMOSEXUALIZATION, WAR ON MASCULINITY/NORMALCY
"The fat dude’s victory in the pageant means that he not only robbed a real girl of the crown and title but also a scholarship."
A Fat Dude Won a Women's Beauty Pageant, Because Transgender!
"Dr. Meredithe McNamara, who testified in favor of the controversial protocol, was fact-checked by an international group of more than 100 clinicians and researchers called the Society for Evidence Based Gender Medicine (SEGM)."
Pro-Pediatric Gender Transition Doc Gets Slammed By Medical Professionals For ‘False Claims’
“My teenage life has been the culmination of excruciating pain, regret, and most importantly injustice,” Cole said. “I have been emotionally and physically damaged and stunted by so-called medical professionals in my most important developmental period. I was butchered by an institution that we trust more than anything else in our lives.”
Detransitioner Chloe Cole Announces Intent to Sue Kaiser Permanente for ‘Experimental’ Hormones and Surgery
CULTURE WARS, NATIONAL SUICIDE
KFC sent a message to its customers, saying, “Commemorate Kristallnacht – treat yourself to more soft cheese and crispy chicken. Now at KFCheese!” (KFC = Konzentrationslager Fried Children? - jjs)
KFC Germany Apologizes For Accidental Message Encouraging Customers To Celebrate Kristallnacht
Christian Toto: "Babylon Bee's rising star shares how she stood up to her far-Left critics."
Chandler Juliet Wages Hysterical War on All Things Woke
"Whoever owns the culture in the end owns politics."
America’s Death Wish
"Tuesday night’s results solidified the importance of the culture war."
The Culture War Still Wins
"Youth have to deal with multiple competing narratives, some that are inconsistent even within themselves, fed to them by the education establishment and by propagandists."
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1 Farzrohred!

Posted by: fd at November 11, 2022 07:44 AM (sn5EN)

2 Hola

Posted by: Thanatopsis at November 11, 2022 07:44 AM (O+Obf)

3 Thank you, J.J.!!

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 11, 2022 07:46 AM (1n+EO)

4
Hello! Again!

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 11, 2022 07:46 AM (MoZTd)

5 Donnie Clotshot vs Ron DeSanctimonius

........aaaaand GO!!!!

Posted by: JROD at November 11, 2022 07:46 AM (IlL6s)

6 We had some wins. I'm counting it as a plus.

Posted by: fd at November 11, 2022 07:46 AM (sn5EN)

7 Mornin' Mo-Ron's!

Posted by: Hawkpilot at November 11, 2022 07:47 AM (x2+dL)

8 The best thing that could happen is Ron and Don teaming up. I hope they are both smart enough to realize that.

Posted by: fd at November 11, 2022 07:47 AM (sn5EN)

9 Doggone dog got me up early. Because it's cold out.

Hi JJ. Hi Hordelings.

*puts on armor, charges into the Morning Report*

Posted by: mindful webworker - I am not ready for winter. at November 11, 2022 07:47 AM (Kf3JB)

10 Ian Miles Cheong @stillgray · 10h
Trump lost Ben Garrison.

[andy: the cartoonist goes full NY Post. You never go full NY Post.]

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at November 11, 2022 07:48 AM (yikp0)

11 Gen Z. What a sick joke. They don't deserve America.

Posted by: Ordinary American at November 11, 2022 07:48 AM (H8QX8)

12 Told my son yesterday, if barely scraping out a win in the midterms, instead of a huge wave, is the cost of finally ending Roe... I'll take it.

Posted by: Hawkpilot at November 11, 2022 07:48 AM (x2+dL)

13 morning horde.

thank god it's friday

happy veterans day to all my fellow vets out there.

covfefe is ready, now to the content.

Posted by: SturmToddler at November 11, 2022 07:49 AM (Mkvkw)

14 hiya

Posted by: JT at November 11, 2022 07:49 AM (T4tVD)

15 Our side could have made better showing if the GOP was on our side.

Posted by: fd at November 11, 2022 07:50 AM (sn5EN)

16 the same folks that brought us McCain and Romney and were all in for JEB!

they are the people shit stirring this feud

Posted by: REDACTED at November 11, 2022 07:50 AM (us2H3)

17 8 The best thing that could happen is Ron and Don teaming up. I hope they are both smart enough to realize that.
Posted by: fd at November 11, 2022 07:47 AM (sn5EN)

They can't be on the same ticket, but as a movement above and beyond a political party, I certainly hope so.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 11, 2022 07:50 AM (x0n13)

18 If it was the overthrow of Roe that led to the PA election losses ... I think it was worth it in the long run.

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at November 11, 2022 07:51 AM (2xlV3)

19 Thought for the Day: Every time a progressive climate fascist steps on his schlong, an energy angel gets his wings.

Posted by: CZ=FNG, Free Republic of Florida at November 11, 2022 07:51 AM (MkuC5)

20 Good morning horde

Posted by: Skip's phone at November 11, 2022 07:51 AM (7QicS)

21 they are the people shit stirring this feud
Posted by: REDACTED

shit stirring ratfuckers

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at November 11, 2022 07:51 AM (2xlV3)

22 Good morning dear morons and thanks JJ

Happy Veteran's day to the horde and dad z"l who served with MAAG-ARVN '63-'64 in Saigon and Long Binh. He fell in love with Vietnam.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 11, 2022 07:52 AM (EZebt)

23 More coffee...

Posted by: dantesed at November 11, 2022 07:52 AM (88xKn)

24 Once the recriminations have ended I think it will become obvious that the GOP had an active role in tanking the elections of candidates they did not support nor want in the Party.

If the Republicans want to "win" they have to go to the mat and be willing to beat the cheat in every race.

Currently this does not seem to be something the GOP is interested in doing.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 11, 2022 07:52 AM (Q4IgG)

25 Happy Veterans' Day to all the Moron vets. It must be especially difficult for you to watch what is happening in the country you fought for. Thank you for what remains of our freedom.

Posted by: creeper at November 11, 2022 07:52 AM (TnURt)

26 8 The best thing that could happen is Ron and Don teaming up. I hope they are both smart enough to realize that.
Posted by: fd at November 11, 2022 07:47 AM (sn5EN)

Both are executive types. In no way would DeSantis, after what he's done in Florida (and the story is remarkable) accept the VP. Anyway, he's running.

Posted by: Ordinary American at November 11, 2022 07:52 AM (H8QX8)

27 Thanks JJ

Posted by: Rhenigantx at November 11, 2022 07:52 AM (VAkti)

28 Maricopa County needs to be broken up into several smaller counties. I'm sick of them running this state into the ground.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Gringo fuertemente armado-Tempus belli)) at November 11, 2022 07:53 AM (l7Kbv)

29 Happy Veterans Day!
Fly your flag!

Posted by: redridinghood at November 11, 2022 07:53 AM (NpAcC)

30 Thank you JJ. You put into succinct words and snippets a bunch of my jumbled thoughts from the last 3 days. Especially the McSally/ Loeffler point. Great work as always.

Posted by: LASue at November 11, 2022 07:53 AM (Ed8Zd)

31 You nailed it jj
I refuse to participate in any Trump DiSantis fighting. Only Karl Rove benefits

Better idea for a Republican civil war: Depose and replace McConnell McCarthy and McDaniel.

Posted by: Senator Festerman at November 11, 2022 07:53 AM (o9gPs)

32 Or what Hawkpilot said

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at November 11, 2022 07:53 AM (2xlV3)

33 Morning Horde.

A heartfelt thank you to all the veterans today.
Thank you for your service

Posted by: mpfs at November 11, 2022 07:53 AM (fuCr+)

34 One thing I've learnt over my life is that, as soon as some explanation becomes conventional wisdom among journalists, it's time to go look somewhere else for the truth.

Posted by: Eeyore at November 11, 2022 07:54 AM (TgBWG)

35 Ron went to CO and endored a loser, Mitch's loser, that went full Liz Cheney on Trump

Mitch probably ask Ron to do it

but O'Dea was a Mitch approved quality candidate

got curbed stomped

Posted by: REDACTED at November 11, 2022 07:54 AM (us2H3)

36 I am going to focus on what worked for us in this election, in the states where Red prevailed. What are the characteristics of those states. I could learn much.

Posted by: kraken at November 11, 2022 07:54 AM (OORiI)

37 I hope the MAGA movement doesn't exclude the most successful conservative politician currently in office.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at November 11, 2022 07:54 AM (fs1hN)

38 Dems are followers. Not sure who they are following, but they will vote in dead and mentally dead politicians and continue to follow. Reps are independent-minded. Following is unnatural. The exception is when there is a competent leader; that person they will follow.

Posted by: IanDeal at November 11, 2022 07:55 AM (MGjjz)

39 That's the message I'm getting from my idiot lib friends, this was about women voting to save abortion.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 11, 2022 07:55 AM (EZebt)

40 Anyway, he's running.
Posted by: Ordinary American at November 11, 2022 07:52 AM (H8QX

If he is, he isn't anywhere near as smart as I thought he was.

I don't say this because of anything to do with Trump. I say it because it's really bad strategically.

Posted by: CZ=FNG, Free Republic of Florida at November 11, 2022 07:55 AM (MkuC5)

41 Both are executive types. In no way would DeSantis, after what he's done in Florida (and the story is remarkable) accept the VP"

I wasn't really thing President / VP. I mean just in general. If they could get ahold of the party it could transform it. Without the GOP though, they can't win, even if one of them wins the Presidency.

The Dems are going to get rid of Nancy. We should reciprocate by getting rid of Mitch.

Posted by: fd at November 11, 2022 07:55 AM (sn5EN)

42 Currently(and expecting little change) Rs have a nearly 6 point lead in the popular vote. Historically, due to the urban concentration of Ds, Rs have been able to take the House with something like a 1 or 2 point loss in the national popular vote.

We probably got hurt really bad by redistricting.

Also worth noting slightly more R votes than 2018 while D vote totals collapsed relative to 2018.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 11, 2022 07:55 AM (eYoxG)

43 "thinking" not thing

Posted by: fd at November 11, 2022 07:55 AM (sn5EN)

44 JJ, I'm going to be giving you some knowledge today.

Anyway, to respond to some comments from the last thread. Given what I know now, winning 221 seats was an excellent result for the GOP. The situation had nothing to do with redistricting, and cheating (while it did happen) is not the reason.

Pelosi's brag about holding the House absolutely could have happened if the electorate has been R+3 instead of R+5.5.

Also, Trump did cost us some elections, especially in PA, because there is a core of Trump voters who WILL NOT VOTE FOR ANYONE BUT TRUMP.

Oz did not lose because of Philly fraud. He lost in the Trump districts. So in the rush to jettison Trump you better ask yourself where you are going to find about 5 million voters to replace those working class votes in the rust belt.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 11, 2022 07:55 AM (5p7BC)

45 I am sure the GOPe and the Dems will keep Trump off the ballot, in which case both Trump and DeSantis need to maintain the option of DeSantis being the nominee with Trump's endorsement.

Posted by: davidt at November 11, 2022 07:56 AM (oTZbj)

46 I posted this earlier on the tech thread.

A perfect example of the mindset of the women of the Left.

https://tinyurl.com/2p89f9se

If you wish, just skip to the last two sentences.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 11, 2022 07:56 AM (1n+EO)

47 Have a close friend who lives in semi rural Penn, and is despondent over Tuesday's elections there. A loyal Trumper who wants Karl Rove to be hanged. The only thing they have holding up Total marxism, is the Penn State Senate staying GOP

Posted by: Jonah at November 11, 2022 07:56 AM (WY8d2)

48 I wonder how much the 2020 reapportionment impacted the win/loss number? Deep red states didn’t move lines to remove D’s from winning, in most cases, while Blue states did. And, if they did move them, red states were always faced w law fare. In FL, only bc DeSantis insisted the lines be drawn to encourage more R Congress wins, did the map work well for R’s on Tuesday.

Posted by: EveR at November 11, 2022 07:57 AM (EZeuH)

49 "there is a core of Trump voters who WILL NOT VOTE FOR ANYONE BUT TRUMP."

What if Trump were to bow out and endorse RD?

Posted by: fd at November 11, 2022 07:57 AM (sn5EN)

50 I'm skeptical of the 2nd point in the content. The fact is that Philadelphia, like New York and Chicago, has always been corrupt. In a statewide race, that's enough to prevent any Republican win, if they're willing to pay for it.

Posted by: Eeyore at November 11, 2022 07:58 AM (TgBWG)

51 here's a thought, is it possible that the media, dems, and the pools (birm) all downplayed democrats chances so as to push back against the "red wave" narrative? i mean, most everyone here, myself included, was starting to think that 240 & 54 were not only achievable, but increasingly likely.

I mean, it's not like i wouldn't put it past any of the 3 to make it seem like we were going to crush them only to turn around and mock conservatives for believing people hated democrats.

Posted by: SturmToddler at November 11, 2022 07:58 AM (Mkvkw)

52 Happy Veteran's Day to all who served or are currently serving. God bless you.

Posted by: grammie winger at November 11, 2022 07:58 AM (45fpk)

53 Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 11, 2022 07:55 AM (5p7BC)

The Balkanization of the voters continues apace, IOW. Or is it tribalization?

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Gringo fuertemente armado-Tempus belli)) at November 11, 2022 07:58 AM (l7Kbv)

54 "I wasn't really thing President / VP. I mean just in general. If they could get ahold of the party it could transform it."

Yes, I agree. If they could come to some modus vivendi for the good of the country it would be tremendous and shatter the dreams of the Left/media.

Posted by: Ordinary American at November 11, 2022 07:58 AM (H8QX8)

55 On the plus side, our S.C State Supervisor of Education race was won handily by the Conservative candidate.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 11, 2022 07:59 AM (1n+EO)

56 saw the guy that's running the LV election

500 lb fat sweat hog with lefty written all over him

he's gonna fuck over Laxalt

Posted by: REDACTED at November 11, 2022 07:59 AM (us2H3)

57 Also, Trump did cost us some elections, especially in PA, because there is a core of Trump voters who WILL NOT VOTE FOR ANYONE BUT TRUMP.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 11, 2022 07:55 AM (5p7BC)

The mistake is reading this as a "cost". We don't lose those voters, we never had those voters. In scenarios where Trump is not on the ballot, we don't experience a "gain". A Trump-specific gain is not a cost to us, it's an optional gain.

We can look at trying to convert those voters to reliable Rs, but if we view their not voting as a "cost", sloppy thinking says that getting rid of Trump means we get rid of this "cost' and gain voters. That's precisely backwards, getting rid of Trump means we don't get these voters.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 11, 2022 07:59 AM (eYoxG)

58 What if Trump were to bow out and endorse RD?
Posted by: fd at November 11, 2022 07:57 AM (sn5EN)

As hard as it might be to believe right now, I think this might happen.

Posted by: Ordinary American at November 11, 2022 07:59 AM (H8QX8)

59
Young Kim re-elected in Orange County, CA.

AK senate race heads to runoff.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 11, 2022 07:59 AM (x0n13)

60 Wi keep saying massive fraud in 2020 no way this is the cleanest election ever.
And wait I'd the Marxists do lose congress. You'll hear vote fraud from them

Posted by: Skip's phone at November 11, 2022 08:00 AM (7QicS)

61
Democrats are willing to take a subsequent loss in order to enact something they want (e.g. Obamacare). If the cost of returning decisions about abortion to the states is to sacrifice the potential gains of this cycle, I'm not sorry to make it because we're not going back to the Roe world.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 11, 2022 08:00 AM (MoZTd)

62 '"Hurt said if the establishment is so good at picking candidates, "then explain why [Colorado’s Republican senatorial candidate Joe] O’Dea lost by 12 points."'
_________
We all know the GOPe answer. O'Dea was dragged down by association with us hobbits. And Trump.

Posted by: Eeyore at November 11, 2022 08:00 AM (TgBWG)

63 37 I hope the MAGA movement doesn't exclude the most successful conservative politician currently in office

Not gonna happen. Our numbers are not so great that we can start kicking stars off the MAGA bus.
Stay unified

Posted by: Senator Festerman at November 11, 2022 08:00 AM (o9gPs)

64 Can any of the financial folks on here explain to us that are crypto ignorant what happened with FTX crypto that large segments of financial shows are discussing it. Scaramucci is on CNBC trying to paper over his friendship and involvement with the FTX owner.

Posted by: Jen the original at November 11, 2022 08:00 AM (F7Xfj)

65 56 saw the guy that's running the LV election

500 lb fat sweat hog with lefty written all over him

he's gonna fuck over Laxalt
Posted by: REDACTED at November 11, 2022 07:59 AM (us2H3)

Buick LeSabre trunks notwithstanding, I don't think Cortez Masto has the votes to overcome Laxalt. At least as of now.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 11, 2022 08:01 AM (x0n13)

66 Also, Trump did cost us some elections, especially in PA, because there is a core of Trump voters who WILL NOT VOTE FOR ANYONE BUT TRUMP.

if this true, what path would Ron have to 270 ?

Posted by: REDACTED at November 11, 2022 08:01 AM (us2H3)

67 if McConnell/McCarthy/McDaniel are all still in their same roles in a few months, the GOP has zero hope

replace McDaniel with whomever is responsible for turning Florida dark red (besides RDS of course)

Posted by: Bitcoin Fixes Everything at November 11, 2022 08:01 AM (V6W16)

68
Oz did not lose because of Philly fraud. He lost in the Trump districts.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 11, 2022 07:55 AM

I was shocked to see my county went 60% Festerman 40% Oz. Twenty years ago that would have been the reverse. Still, Philly provided almost 400,000 votes for Festerman and only 80,000 for Oz. Sure, there could be some fraud in there, but it was a massive repudiation of Oz.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at November 11, 2022 08:02 AM (y3pKJ)

69 Happy Veterans' Day to all the Moron vets. It must be especially difficult for you to watch what is happening in the country you fought for. Thank you for what remains of our freedom.
Posted by: creeper
___

Morning, creeper.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at November 11, 2022 08:02 AM (8HfoY)

70 Also, I've been reading a number of hot takes from various sources. 90% of them are getting it wrong, and 10% are seeing a part of the problem, but not the whole story.

There is a rush to be first with hot takes, without understanding the underlying data. This end up being confirmation bias. You are looking for data that supports your pet theory, and ignore contrary data.

For example, if abortion was the issue, why did pro-choice voters vote for Oz, but pro-life voters didn't?

Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 11, 2022 08:02 AM (5p7BC)

71 Buick LeSabre trunks notwithstanding, I don't think Cortez Masto has the votes to overcome Laxalt. At least as of now.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 11, 2022 08:01 AM (x0n13)

you just keep being quaint, Butch

Posted by: REDACTED at November 11, 2022 08:03 AM (us2H3)

72 49 "there is a core of Trump voters who WILL NOT VOTE FOR ANYONE BUT TRUMP."

What if Trump were to bow out and endorse RD?
Posted by: fd at November 11, 2022 07:57 AM (sn5EN)

The evidence suggests that Trump's endorsement doesn't transfer his support. Otherwise we wouldn't have had this problem in the current elections.

The alternative plan of trying to win these Trump voters is to make someone an "heir" to Trump by having them VP. Not clear whether this would work or not but an endorsement seems clearly insufficient.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 11, 2022 08:03 AM (eYoxG)

73 44. Well Said Dave. Here in IL, we were pretty screwed before the election, now we are left of Havana. Abortion Barbies voted in droves for the Marxists.

several friends of my wife, are resonable suburban women, and likeable. For the past year they have been bitching about Gas and Food prices. But they are pro choice. Abortion comes first. All voted Dem

Posted by: Jonah at November 11, 2022 08:03 AM (WY8d2)

74 how can Katie Hobbs be both a candidate AND continue to act in her role as secretary of state, a prime function of that office being the running of elections and the tabulating/validation of the vote count?
________

Another easy one. As a Democrat, Hobbs can be trusted to be a straight arrow down-the-middle impartial judge. Just like Chuck Todd, and Merrick Garland, and of course, Maximum Leader Biden himself.

Anyone who disputes that is guilty of sedition.

Posted by: Eeyore at November 11, 2022 08:03 AM (TgBWG)

75 48 I wonder how much the 2020 reapportionment impacted the win/loss number? Deep red states didn’t move lines to remove D’s from winning, in most cases, while Blue states did. And, if they did move them, red states were always faced w law fare. In FL, only bc DeSantis insisted the lines be drawn to encourage more R Congress wins, did the map work well for R’s on Tuesday.
Posted by: EveR at November 11, 2022 07:57 AM (EZeuH)

Looking beyond Zeldin's loss, the tossing of the NY state gerrymandering led to a breakup of the stranglehold the Dems had on the state legislature as well as a Maloney going down in flames.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 11, 2022 08:03 AM (x0n13)

76 Posted by: REDACTED at November 11, 2022 08:03 AM (us2H3)

That's why I had my disclaimer in there.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 11, 2022 08:03 AM (x0n13)

77 No, Oz over performed Philly. 80K out of Philly was a good result for him.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 11, 2022 08:04 AM (5p7BC)

78 Once the recriminations have ended I think it will become obvious that the GOP had an active role in tanking the elections of candidates they did not support nor want in the Party.

If the Republicans want to "win" they have to go to the mat and be willing to beat the cheat in every race.

Currently this does not seem to be something the GOP is interested in doing.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 11, 2022 07:52 AM (Q4IgG)

i mean the fact that mitch the bitch took all his money from any GOP candidate who didn't kiss the ring should have been a scathing indictment of him and lead to a loss of ALL positions in the senate.

but he'll still be in power along with the rest of the GOPe because why the fuck not...

Posted by: SturmToddler at November 11, 2022 08:04 AM (Mkvkw)

79 66 Also, Trump did cost us some elections, especially in PA, because there is a core of Trump voters who WILL NOT VOTE FOR ANYONE BUT TRUMP.

if this true, what path would Ron have to 270 ?
Posted by: REDACTED at November 11, 2022 08:01 AM (us2H3)

It would need to be very different from Trump's path most likely, which is what I've been saying.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 11, 2022 08:04 AM (eYoxG)

80 AK senate race heads to runoff.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 11, 2022 07:59 AM (x0n13)

It's not a runoff election in the traditional sense, votes are already cast.

Sadly all of Chesbro's voters will go to Mookowskee and she will win.

Posted by: Bitcoin Fixes Everything at November 11, 2022 08:04 AM (V6W16)

81 WI Sec of State race hasn't been called yet. LaFollette, who has been there forever, has a tiny advantage over the Republican challenger. Look up "LaFollette" if you want to get a glimpse of the roots of the Progressive movement.

Posted by: grammie winger at November 11, 2022 08:04 AM (45fpk)

82 Trafalgar really lost credibility this election as a pollster

Posted by: Jonah at November 11, 2022 08:05 AM (WY8d2)

83 If anyone has a suggestion whereby rivals can out-compliment themselves to determine which one wins, I'm sure both campaigns would be eager to hear from you.

We call this the McCain VS Obama Gambit, which we all know resulted -

in a massive win by President John McCain and then another 8 years by his running mate and 1st woman president, President Sarah Palin.

See? Big wins come from freely complimenting your opponent.

Posted by: naturalfake at November 11, 2022 08:05 AM (KLPy8)

84 The evidence suggests that Trump's endorsement doesn't transfer his support. Otherwise we wouldn't have had this problem in the current elections.
**
The evidence saysthat most of the times it does, sometimes it doesn't.

Posted by: Ordinary American at November 11, 2022 08:05 AM (H8QX8)

85 Thank you, JJ.
Based on results, I support Trump and DeSantis.

Also based on results, I condemn McConnell, McCarthy, Ryan and the entirety of GOPe.

Posted by: democrats, Kidnapping, Raping or Mutilating the Children They Cannot Kill Since 1973 at November 11, 2022 08:05 AM (jV+aN)

86 I don't want to hear any rational arguments about why we lost when they elected a brain dead tumor in PA.

Sigh

At least not yet

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 11, 2022 08:05 AM (dO/0d)

87 Ron's kinda McCain , wrapped in a Romney and glazed with JEB! reduction

well maybe not McCain

Posted by: REDACTED at November 11, 2022 08:05 AM (us2H3)

88 Morning, creeper.
Posted by: SMH at what's coming at November 11, 2022 08:02 AM (8HfoY)

{{{SMH}}}

Posted by: creeper at November 11, 2022 08:06 AM (TnURt)

89 63 37 I hope the MAGA movement doesn't exclude the most successful conservative politician currently in office

Not gonna happen. Our numbers are not so great that we can start kicking stars off the MAGA bus.
Stay unified
Posted by: Senator Festerman
_____________

It's hard to stay unified when the head of the MAGA movement appears to be kicking the FL Gov out of the MAGA movement.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at November 11, 2022 08:06 AM (fs1hN)

90 One thing I know I'll hear from our side is Bull Shit. That is the "conservatives did nothing to fight the takeover of our schools."

All my life that has been a major issue on the right. It is true that we failed. But not from not trying. From Kirk to Kimball to Rufo, it's been a constant theme. The problem is that "practical" conservatives weren't interested.

Posted by: Eeyore at November 11, 2022 08:06 AM (TgBWG)

91 Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 11, 2022 07:55 AM (5p7BC)
--------
The Balkanization of the voters continues apace, IOW. Or is it tribalization?
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Gringo fuertemente armado-Tempus belli)) at November 11, 2022 07:58 AM (l7Kbv)
~~~~~

There's a very strong and obvious effort afoot to dump Trump and elevate DeSantis. Even The Lincoln Project has joined the club:

https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/
status/1590781411430174720

I really wish conservatives would take a step back and look at what's happening. The GOPe and The Lincoln Project are on the same page. What does that tell you?

Posted by: IrishEi at November 11, 2022 08:08 AM (3ImbR)

92 89 63 37 I hope the MAGA movement doesn't exclude the most successful conservative politician currently in office

Not gonna happen. Our numbers are not so great that we can start kicking stars off the MAGA bus.
Stay unified
Posted by: Senator Festerman
_____________

It's hard to stay unified when the head of the MAGA movement appears to be kicking the FL Gov out of the MAGA movement.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at November 11, 2022 08:06 AM (fs1hN)

Well the FL Gov is being used to try and kick the head out of the MAGA movement. In case you haven't noticed the massive propaganda wave by our actual enemies.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 11, 2022 08:08 AM (eYoxG)

93 Not that my little two dollars a day for a paper would mean anything to them, but I'm done with the "NY Post" right now-and I appreciate a number of their columnists-because of their constant Trump hate over the past several days or a bit longer. I'm not on anyone's bandwagon yet but I don't like being pushed to be part of the OMGoodness isn't TRump just awful?!! team. As someone noted in the previous post, I would be better for them just to ignore him.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 11, 2022 08:08 AM (vH/6k)

94 Since it is Friday, and the Sun did rise this morning , and God is still King. Let us look at the positives.

1. John James in Michigan
2. JD Vance
3. Baller Ron Johnson in WI
4. 40 year Far left Dem AG in Iowa Defeated

any more....

Posted by: Jonah at November 11, 2022 08:08 AM (WY8d2)

95 several friends of my wife, are resonable suburban women, and likeable. For the past year they have been bitching about Gas and Food prices. But they are pro choice. Abortion comes first. All voted Dem
Posted by: Jonah at November 11, 2022 08:03 AM (WY8d2)

yeah, i got friends and family in Decatur and it's JUST like that. i listened to them complain and go on and on about inflation, but they're all PROUD leftists voters.

personally, i hope Pritzker gives them what they want good and hard...

Posted by: SturmToddler at November 11, 2022 08:09 AM (Mkvkw)

96 It's hard to stay unified when the head of the MAGA movement appears to be kicking the FL Gov out of the MAGA movement.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at November 11, 2022 08:06 AM (fs1hN)
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Yep.

Posted by: redridinghood at November 11, 2022 08:09 AM (NpAcC)

97 Can't be said enough--Thank You,Veterans

Posted by: Ben Had at November 11, 2022 08:09 AM (56Pml)

98 Democrats won for one reason, and it wasn't abortion. GenZ was tangentially involved, but wasn't the motivating force.

Democrats won because of mail in vote fraud/harvesting.

Covid is over: Republicans MUST return elections to election day, absent a very good reason for a mail-in vote.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 11, 2022 08:09 AM (JiTLE)

99 What is up with Kansas? Is it a abortion bill now

Posted by: Jonah at November 11, 2022 08:09 AM (WY8d2)

100 Buick LeSabre trunks notwithstanding, I don't think Cortez Masto has the votes to overcome Laxalt. At least as of now.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 11, 2022 08:01 AM (x0n13)

Don't forget about the thumb drives.

Posted by: dantesed at November 11, 2022 08:10 AM (88xKn)

101 Will Maricopa count until Christmas? Laxalt’s lead shrunk overnight. This utter nonsense that it takes this long to count (when every election, before the notorious 2020, in my lifetime finished counting the night of) is one of many reasons I no longer trust the process. Even in Brazil’s recent fraudulent election they finished the (probably fake) count promptly. Banana republic indeed

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at November 11, 2022 08:10 AM (xT8gx)

102 It would be nice if we could get this election done with and figure out about getting election integrity back before we put on our Trump/DeSantis cheerleading outfits on for an election that's two years away.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 11, 2022 08:10 AM (vH/6k)

103 Red Turban - You are correct. The truth is that there is a core of voters that are willing to vote Republican, but they don't trust the GOP establishment. They will vote for Trump, otherwise they will sit home.

These are people like SMH, YD, and MPPP here. They don't trust the system, they think voting is useless, but with the right candidate (at this point Trump) they will vote.

With them, the GOP can win in the rust belt. Without them they can't.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 11, 2022 08:10 AM (5p7BC)

104 The only problem we have is republican leadership. They are democrats full stop.

Posted by: SOMEASSHOLESTOLEMYPEN at November 11, 2022 08:10 AM (ztQ7U)

105 Happy Frijole Friday and Veterans Day, Everyone.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 11, 2022 08:10 AM (H3RM/)

106 The problem is that "practical" conservatives weren't interested.
Posted by: Eeyore at November 11, 2022 08:06 AM (TgBWG)

It's a harder issue to get our hands around, and can't be solved in one election cycle. The Left has been worming its way into the educational system since the 1930s. They're a metastatic tumor wrapped all around and throughout it.

Posted by: Ordinary American at November 11, 2022 08:11 AM (H8QX8)

107 Oz did not lose because of Philly fraud. He lost in the Trump districts.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 11, 2022 07:55 AM

This is a key observation. Lot of working class folks in PA saw the Lump as more like themselves than Oz, who is too polished. The appeal of Lump to the working class is no harder to understand than the appeal of billionaire Trump. Both men are unpolished and uncouth. Neither is slick.

Posted by: Senator Festerman at November 11, 2022 08:11 AM (o9gPs)

108
We're giving the puppies a bath today.

Pray for me.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 11, 2022 08:11 AM (MoZTd)

109 Biden really F#$ked over those young voters on Student loan forgiveness. His people knew it would never be allowed by the courts, but pushed it anyways.

Posted by: Jonah at November 11, 2022 08:11 AM (WY8d2)

110 The GOPe and The Lincoln Project are on the same page. What does that tell you?
Posted by: IrishEi

They both like anal?

Posted by: rickb223 at November 11, 2022 08:12 AM (OvB8Q)

111 There's a very strong and obvious effort afoot to dump Trump and elevate DeSantis. Even The Lincoln Project has joined the club
Posted by: IrishEi at November 11, 2022 08:08 AM (3ImbR)
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They must have something very nasty on DeSantis, is my first reaction.

No way they would pump up a Republican if they didn't believe they could effectively beat him.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 11, 2022 08:12 AM (JiTLE)

112 108. Good luck LOL. Pug puppies are the hardest to bathe

Posted by: Jonah at November 11, 2022 08:12 AM (WY8d2)

113 I did originally say I wouldn't vote for Oz, of course I did but Fetterman would scare me to vote for almost anyone but him.
He will show his colors when he votes against Pennsylvania often. He is all in on the Marxist agenda

Posted by: Skip's phone at November 11, 2022 08:12 AM (7QicS)

114 Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 11, 2022 08:11 AM (MoZTd)

LOL. How many puppies are there?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 11, 2022 08:12 AM (vH/6k)

115 Democrats won because of mail in vote fraud/harvesting.
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Close but not quite. It wasn't fraud, but it was VBM. And harvesting is legal in some states.

You aren't going to change the laws until you win. Catch-22.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 11, 2022 08:12 AM (5p7BC)

116 Trump will dump himself if he KNOWS he cannot win because Trump does not have a loser gene in his bright orange magnificent body.

No man in history every deserved the opportunity more to run For America with the support of those who are America First.

Posted by: Voter theater. at November 11, 2022 08:13 AM (/5Who)

117 I'll shocked if he lasts 6 months but his replacement will be a carbon copy

Posted by: Skip's phone at November 11, 2022 08:13 AM (7QicS)

118 Majority of Student Loan Bailout Plan Recipients to Spend Money on Travel, Eating Out
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I remain curious about the lavish lifestyles of students today compared to my day. Just looking at the area around my alma mater, it's loaded with posh restaurants. Back in the day, while there were a few such in town, they weren't close to the students. We couldn't afford it.

Same thing with retail stores.

How much of that change is coming from taxpayers? It's not as if tuition were lower now.

Posted by: Eeyore at November 11, 2022 08:13 AM (TgBWG)

119 "Republicans MUST return elections to election day, absent a very good reason for a mail-in vote."

I would suggest that the same mindset that gets us Twitter employees demanding to work from home, gets us voters the demand to vote from home.

As is sometimes said by the smooth-brain crowd....Adulting is hard.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 11, 2022 08:13 AM (1n+EO)

120 Good morning.

Today on the local newscast, I learned two things:
1. Veteran's Day was originally a holiday commemorating the end of WWII. No joke. And it wasn't a misspeak, it was that way on the pompter (I usually have subtitles on, and this channel just feeds the closed captions with the prompter feed). Friggin morons.
2. Urban heat islands hurt poor minorities the most, since they tend to live in and around the hot urban core and thus have to structurally pay more for energy to cool their homes.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 11, 2022 08:13 AM (t0OGg)

121 side note, and i'm asking because i REALLY don't know, but how did PDJT do in endorsements in the voting on tuesday?

i.e. i saw the 93% above, but is that ONLY for tuesday, or is that since the beginning of THIS primary season?

also, of his picks in the primaries, how many went on to win their general races?

i think THOSE 2 answers will tell us a lot more about how the PDJT endorsment carries than will looking at the overall total.

just my 2 cents...

Posted by: SturmToddler at November 11, 2022 08:13 AM (Mkvkw)

122 Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 11, 2022 08:12 AM (JiTLE)

Yep.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 11, 2022 08:13 AM (vH/6k)

123 If the Senate goes D another couple hundred federal judges lost definitely sucks, but how did the school boards do overall? I've heard not bad so far but am curious if any morons have an insight.

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at November 11, 2022 08:13 AM (pI97I)

124 111 There's a very strong and obvious effort afoot to dump Trump and elevate DeSantis. Even The Lincoln Project has joined the club
Posted by: IrishEi at November 11, 2022 08:08 AM (3ImbR)
============

They must have something very nasty on DeSantis, is my first reaction.

No way they would pump up a Republican if they didn't believe they could effectively beat him.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 11, 2022 08:12 AM (JiTLE)

It could be as simple as believing DeSantis or other Rs don't have a real path to the presidency. Could be right or wrong, but that's sufficient reason to back him over a more feared opponent.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 11, 2022 08:13 AM (eYoxG)

125 The first term of an unpopular Biden [so-called] "presidency" is now effectively over (save the executive abuse).
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So the term is not anything close to over. The executive has most of the power courtesy of Congress spending a century abdicating their power and ceding it to the executive.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 11, 2022 08:14 AM (t0OGg)

126 Americans Want Big Changes In Immigration Policy After Election: I&I/TIPP Poll
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THEN WHY THEY HELL DID THEY VOTE FOR THE ONES WHO WILL NEVER DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT?

Posted by: Eeyore at November 11, 2022 08:14 AM (TgBWG)

127 My mother was born on Armistice Day, 11/11/1918. She remained with us for over a hundred years. My father left his pregnant wife to fight in Europe. He returned working two jobs most of his life so that me and my brothers could better ourselves. I hope that I’ve honored him. God bless our veterans.

Posted by: 7man at November 11, 2022 08:14 AM (qwO6y)

128 Democrats lost support among women in 2022 compared to the last midterm in 2018.
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Beware aggregation. Women are not a monolith.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 11, 2022 08:15 AM (t0OGg)

129 Under 30 vote going heavily for Democrats isn't new, is it? I'm actually surprised it isn't even worse, given our propaganda education system. Didn't Obama get similar proportions of the under 30 vote?

Posted by: Mad Max in VA at November 11, 2022 08:15 AM (Gu48G)

130
LOL. How many puppies are there?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 11, 2022 08:12 AM (vH/6k)

Just two. Paradoxically, I think Diana, who's a wild child, will be more cooperative than Rosalind, who's a quiet, mellow girl.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 11, 2022 08:15 AM (MoZTd)

131
Of course the Left will say it's about abortion - it's one of their favorite things, murder. The problem is that the Conservative Media Ecosystem™ is also blaming the Dobbs decision.

They know that isn't why, but they are saying it anyway... Because now that the election is over with, the GOP is planning various deals with the Democrats to codify Roe. Blaming their shitty limpdicked Party's electoral problems on this is just to lube up the base for their inevitable sodomy.

"Baby-killing will make us more electable.* Don't you want us to be electable? Isn't sending us to DC to soak our beaks in the FedGov money river the most important thing, after all?"

*It won't.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 11, 2022 08:15 AM (oINRc)

132 This is a key observation. Lot of working class folks in PA saw the Lump as more like themselves than Oz, who is too polished. The appeal of Lump to the working class is no harder to understand than the appeal of billionaire Trump. Both men are unpolished and uncouth. Neither is slick.
Posted by: Senator Festerman

Then they are going to take it in the ass and more power to them. Hopefully, they get it good & hard.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 11, 2022 08:15 AM (OvB8Q)

133 Friday news dump:

Hobbs won by thousands!
Laxalt lost by thousands!

It was a Blue Wave, folks.

What voter fraud looks like.

Posted by: Ziba at November 11, 2022 08:15 AM (4h9M3)

134 111. Trump loyalist here, but you have to admit he backed some great patriots in the North, that were not electable. He should have layed off Mastraino, a great guy and Vet, who had Jan 6 problems. That works in the south, but not Penn. Same with guy in NH. No easy answers

Posted by: Jonah at November 11, 2022 08:16 AM (WY8d2)

135 Donaldus Magnus wore the gop as a skin suit to gain access to the WH and to start the turnaround. We owe him a UUUUUUUGE debt of gratitude. The gop as it existed before Trump is dead as Trump picks his kind of people as the new gop. 93% is about as close to perfect as you can get. I hope that we all realize this as we continue on.

Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at November 11, 2022 08:16 AM (flINI)

136 Elon Musk @elonmusk · 19h
Far too many corrupt legacy Blue “verification” checkmarks exist, so no choice but to remove legacy Blue in coming months

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at November 11, 2022 08:16 AM (yikp0)

137 Have a friend who has a 22-year-old granddaughter who is very levelheaded from the experiences of her short life.
Both parents into drugs, dad did time and then suicide. Mom still on drugs and a total mess. Granddaughter liberated herself from mom and her grandmother, my friend has been raising her since she was 16. Finishing undergrad and going on to grad school, very bright and motivated as well as conservative and Catholic. Even with all of that she doesn't see how the creep, especially the radical lbgt....... stuff is ruining our nation. To her those older than she is are less accepting. It just amazes me.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at November 11, 2022 08:16 AM (2NHgQ)

138 In their zeal to create a “no red wave” narrative, they gave Beijing Joe credit for the disjointed, apoplectic, panicked messaging of abortion and the death of democracy.
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Too narrow an interpretation, at least as far as root causes go. The Democrats are not the only group that were fighting for "no red wave." The national GOP was in there shoulder-to-shoulder with their allies in the other Party to help make it real, too. *Nobody* in either Party power structure wanted a "red wave."

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 11, 2022 08:17 AM (t0OGg)

139 Happy Armistice Day

Posted by: G'rump928(c) repeats himself at November 11, 2022 08:17 AM (yQpMk)

140 Today on the local newscast, I learned two things:
1. Veteran's Day was originally a holiday commemorating the end of WWII. No joke. And it wasn't a misspeak, it was that way on the pompter (I usually have subtitles on, and this channel just feeds the closed captions with the prompter feed). Friggin morons.

Sweet Jesus, even here in Canuckistan we learned 11/11/11 etc. as elementary school kids. They'd march us to the cenotaph every year.

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at November 11, 2022 08:17 AM (pI97I)

141 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 11, 2022 08:17 AM (Zz0t1)

142 When your gubernatorial candidate is being attacked from all sides, including your own, your Senate candidate will also be dragged down, along with congressional candidates on the ballot.
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All according to plan. The GOP would rather die than let itself be changed.

I hope its wish is granted.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 11, 2022 08:17 AM (t0OGg)

143 Oz lost by 3, Mastriano by 14. Oz was dragged down by the GOPe supporting Shapiro.

Posted by: Jonah at November 11, 2022 08:18 AM (WY8d2)

144 Bourbon Boulevard, in Chantilly, Virginia, is offering a free lunch to veterans today.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 11, 2022 08:18 AM (H3RM/)

145 I hope twitter goes belly up...would be a positive for democracy and freedom

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 11, 2022 08:18 AM (dO/0d)

146 Millennials are the most worthless, lazy, good for nothing generation ever. They will be the destruction of freedom and prosperity in American and the world.

Fuck their lazy asses.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 11, 2022 08:18 AM (Zz0t1)

147 He added, “If you’re the establishment Republican Party, and you’re so effing good at all this stuff, then why [do] you pick candidates that even your own voters don’t support?”
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Because it gets them profitable permanent-minority status and gains them entrance to all the right venues and they can rub elbows with the good people on the inside. If they change their ways, they won't get to party with Democrats and get away with any crime imaginable anymore.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 11, 2022 08:19 AM (t0OGg)

148
g'mornin' again, 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at November 11, 2022 08:19 AM (ENBF0)

149 Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 11, 2022 08:15 AM (MoZTd)

Well, good luck. It sounds a bit like dealing with toddler human twins.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 11, 2022 08:19 AM (vH/6k)

150 We also need to eliminate mail in voting for people who have no good reason. In my county the astronut got 14k mail in votes but only 2.3k votes on Election day. Masters got 9.3k on Election Day and 11k mail in. With the shenanigans going on with signature verification, lack of voter citizenship verification at registration, and even address verification (60 people living in a two bed/two bath?) mail in cannot be trusted.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Gringo fuertemente armado-Tempus belli)) at November 11, 2022 08:19 AM (l7Kbv)

151 GOPe is circling the wagons against MAGA. It doesn't appear that Trump understands this and, instead of attacking them, he goes after DeSantis. If Trump runs, he's turned off a lot of voters who like DeSantis and see him as the future of MAGA, if he doesn't run, a lot of MAGA voters no longer trust DeSantis. Either way MAGA just took a hit straight from Trump's pen. And Lake will probably get cheated out of her win. Biggest winner? McConnell. I don't get the strategy here.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at November 11, 2022 08:19 AM (fs1hN)

152 Elon Musk @elonmusk · 19h
Far too many corrupt legacy Blue “verification” checkmarks exist, so no choice but to remove legacy Blue in coming months
Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at November 11, 2022 08:16 AM (yikp0)

98% of the twatterverse will be on suicide watch.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 11, 2022 08:19 AM (Zz0t1)

153 I really wish conservatives would take a step back and look at what's happening. The GOPe and The Lincoln Project are on the same page. What does that tell you?
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Time to cancel the NY Post and let them know; and unfollow the New Age NeverTrumpers like Ben Garrison??

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at November 11, 2022 08:19 AM (yikp0)

154 How much of that change is coming from taxpayers? It's not as if tuition were lower now.
Posted by: Eeyore at November 11, 2022 08:13 AM (TgBWG)

They aren't getting shit, this will only be on the Federal Level if at all. A Texas Judge just shot the plan down and its destined to go to SCOTUS.

We may be looking at another riot scenario and I don't think the population at large is going to take kindly to kids burning shit down cause they want someone else to pay their tab.

Posted by: tryhardneckbeard at November 11, 2022 08:20 AM (OLVeZ)

155 "Carpetbagger," is a factor.

Posted by: davidt at November 11, 2022 08:20 AM (oTZbj)

156 Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at November 11, 2022 08:16 AM (2NHgQ)

Nice to hear she's doing so well and very kind of your friend to raise her. God bless them!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 11, 2022 08:20 AM (vH/6k)

157 William Jacobson: "Controlling the House means no more Biden legislation, and investigations of the corrupt Biden family influence peddling business."
_______

I'll believe that when I see it. Too many Republicans are going to help cover up the graft that they are also getting.

Posted by: Eeyore at November 11, 2022 08:21 AM (TgBWG)

158 That is BS. Many people have student loan debt above 50 years old. divorces, medical debt etc.. Not just punk kids

Posted by: Jonah at November 11, 2022 08:21 AM (WY8d2)

159 The GOPe and The Lincoln Project are on the same page. What does that tell you?

We're gonna need more K-Y Jelly?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 11, 2022 08:21 AM (dO/0d)

160 I know it's called Veteran's Day. But, didn't it used to be called War Remembrance Day or something like that?

Posted by: dantesed at November 11, 2022 08:21 AM (88xKn)

161
No, Oz over performed Philly. 80K out of Philly was a good result for him.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 11, 2022 08:04 AM

He got the same percentage of the vote as Trump in 2020 (about 80/20), but 55,000 fewer votes then Trump.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at November 11, 2022 08:21 AM (y3pKJ)

162 All according to plan. The GOP would rather die than let itself be changed.

I hope its wish is granted.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 11, 2022 08:17 AM (t0OGg)

from your fingers to God's eyes...

(yeah, i modified it for computer land...)

Posted by: SturmToddler at November 11, 2022 08:21 AM (Mkvkw)

163 This election, where there was plenty of fraud to go around, proves that the electorate is still fucking stupid and isn't paying attention. Fetterman? Are you SERIOUS!?!?

Give the drunkest guy in the room the keys to drive you home. Smartest. Move. Ever.

We're toast.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 11, 2022 08:22 AM (Zz0t1)

164 161
No, Oz over performed Philly. 80K out of Philly was a good result for him.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 11, 2022 08:04 AM

He got the same percentage of the vote as Trump in 2020 (about 80/20), but 55,000 fewer votes then Trump.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at November 11, 2022 08:21 AM (y3pKJ)

It's a mid-term, we do expect less turnout independent of other factors.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 11, 2022 08:22 AM (eYoxG)

165 The GOPe strategy is simple. If your voters don't agree with you, destroy them.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at November 11, 2022 08:22 AM (PWvcU)

166 I like Trump the policy man and I also like Trump the man. Yeah, he's flawed, who isn't? And I cut him some slack given all that the Democrat plague has put him through. I do wish he had a trusted adviser who could keep him from making foolish statements, though.

Posted by: Ziba at November 11, 2022 08:23 AM (4h9M3)

167 Many, if not most, of the Gen Z-ers who voted overwhelmingly for the Left will, as they get older, come to realize how foolish and wrongheaded they were to support socialist internationalism and the managed decline of the United States.
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Barring a catastrophe that results in the collapse of this country and its entire power structure, this is not going to happen. The old saw about how people grow up, gain responsibilities, and become conservatives as they have skin in the game no longer applies. I am comfortable predicting this for "Gen Z" because it hasn't borne out this way for the Millennials. The Millennials are the hardest-left generation and it isn't changing much as they age. They get jobs, buy houses, have kids and most remain staunchly leftist.

The hope for Gen Z is that they aren't uniformly communists. There are deep divisions in Gen Z in a way that there aren't in the Millennials. Both sides of the divide in Gen Z are pretty based and neither is "conservative" in the traditional sense.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 11, 2022 08:23 AM (t0OGg)

168 But, didn't it used to be called War Remembrance Day or something like that?
Posted by: dantesed

Here it's Remembrance Day, I assume that's likely the same for most Commonwealth countries.

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at November 11, 2022 08:23 AM (pI97I)

169 Pat Toomey busting on Trump. AssH only won in 2016 because of Trump.

Thanks for retiring jaghoff, opening that seat up.

Posted by: Jonah at November 11, 2022 08:24 AM (WY8d2)

170 Close but not quite. It wasn't fraud, but it was VBM. And harvesting is legal in some states.

You aren't going to change the laws until you win. Catch-22.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 11, 2022 08:12 AM (5p7BC)
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Do your friends accuse you of being pedantic?

Anyway, harvesting may be legal in some states, but Democrats (with Zuck bucks to help) are practicing it everywhere. And mail-in voting or drop boxes (ie, anonymously sourced ballots) is the mechanism making it all possible.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 11, 2022 08:24 AM (K3WTO)

171 The Ds had a great GOTV machine that used (and abused) mail-in-voting, I'm told. The effort was targeted and focused. I also hear the "turnout" of younger people was unexpectedly high.

Was this turnout generated by the Ds going after people with student loans in swing places?

NY Post says yes
https://tinyurl.com/58zkdhus

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 11, 2022 08:24 AM (SJsWC)

172 Here it's Remembrance Day, I assume that's likely the same for most Commonwealth countries.
Posted by: Lurking Canuck at November 11, 2022 08:23 AM (pI97I)
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Here in Yankee Land, it was "Armistice Day."

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 11, 2022 08:24 AM (t0OGg)

173 151 GOPe is circling the wagons against MAGA. It doesn't appear that Trump understands this and, instead of attacking them, he goes after DeSantis. If Trump runs, he's turned off a lot of voters who like DeSantis and see him as the future of MAGA, if he doesn't run, a lot of MAGA voters no longer trust DeSantis. Either way MAGA just took a hit straight from Trump's pen. And Lake will probably get cheated out of her win. Biggest winner? McConnell. I don't get the strategy here.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at November 11, 2022 08:19 AM (fs1hN)

You raise an interesting point. I’m not sure that Trump understands that MAGA is bigger than he. Otherwise I’d expect his attacks would be more strategic—-as in who and when and how.

Posted by: 7man at November 11, 2022 08:24 AM (qwO6y)

174 Here's a quick video of Kari Lake's senior advisor Caroline Wren telling Bannon how Hershal Walker can win. Forget spending millions on TV ads, travel and talk to people. I personally think Hershal's team should hire her to run his month-long campaign, she gets it.

https://tinyurl.com/5dsr49uf

Posted by: lowandslow at November 11, 2022 08:25 AM (qH6FZ)

175 Pat Toomey is a piece of shit.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at November 11, 2022 08:25 AM (PWvcU)

176 I'll believe that when I see it. Too many Republicans are going to help cover up the graft that they are also getting.
Posted by: Eeyore at November 11, 2022 08:21 AM (TgBWG)

"We are investigating the shit out of Brandon. We need more power to impeach him*, though. Send moar money. 5x match. America. Eagles. Money. Justice. Liberty. Money. Did we mention the money thing? Because you should send us some."

*They won't.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 11, 2022 08:25 AM (oINRc)

177 You cannot win a open Senate seat, when your gov nominee is losing by 15.

Oz was a good candidate. He should run for the House in 2024

Posted by: Jonah at November 11, 2022 08:25 AM (WY8d2)

178 I know it's called Veteran's Day. But, didn't it used to be called War Remembrance Day or something like that?
Posted by: dantesed at November 11, 2022 08:21 AM (88xKn)

Remembrance Day

at least, that's how the UK refers to it.

so on the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month, the guns went silent.

I'm looking forward to getting onto Battlefield I today around that time to watch the players simulate this. it's kind of insane to see. a WWI FPS and it also goes quiet and you can hear the birds chirp...

Posted by: SturmToddler at November 11, 2022 08:27 AM (Mkvkw)

179 Oz was a good candidate. He should run for the House in 2024
Posted by: J

in fairness, after he gets rid of his turkish citizensh

Posted by: confederatefifth at November 11, 2022 08:27 AM (K3ZCc)

180 I'll probably get banned for this. JJ sez.... "Vote harder peasants!"

I'm very disappointed in the authors and commenters on this site. The industrial scale fraud was obvious in the 2020 election - Trump won by a landslide no matter what bought and paid for judges, Soros and GOPe attorneys general and similar secretaries of state said. 2022 IS a red tsunami - which was stolen by even bolder obvious fraud. Get your heads out of the sand and pay attention! The evidence is out there if you don't ignore it and blame GenZ instead.

Sorry that might be an uncomfortable truth for you to hear - those of you who don't want us to audit the votes. I make my same challenge again - if you trust unauditable numbers so much lets do the same thing with corporate financial statements- let's cancel all the third party audits. Your 401k will be worthless anyway due to coming hyper-inflation and your pensions will stop paying soon as the funds go belly up - why bother auditing anything.

Maybe after the cataclysm that boomers have brought upon the world runs its course and enough have died off, Gen X will be able to clean up the mess that was made with the help of our Gen Z kids.

Posted by: justasheep at November 11, 2022 08:27 AM (EUTgk)

181 Close but not quite. It wasn't fraud, but it was VBM. And harvesting is legal in some states.

You aren't going to change the laws until you win. Catch-22.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 11, 2022 08:12 AM (5p7BC)
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Legal in some, but not in most. But there is also no way to *prevent* harvesting in VBM schemes, or to adequately enforce what is legal or illegal harvesting. Even in CA, where most forms of harvesting are legal, it's illegal to collect signed, blank ballots and fill them out on the voter's "behalf." It's illegal to hoover up blank ballots and just forge the signatures, too. All of it happens, not just where harvesting itself is legal but also where it isn't.

So play to win, and do the same things. Go after unused ballots. Get them by hook or crook, regardless of legality. Playing by the rules will ensure that you never, ever win in a VBM state. Go down to their level and cheat your asses off and seize the victory like they do.

Then change the law. And there's the rub: they won't. Even if they manage to win through cheating (and that is what we're talking about here: competitive cheating), why would they get rid of such a useful tool?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 11, 2022 08:28 AM (t0OGg)

182 The people blaming Trump the loudest are the ones most responsible for the failure:

It was the national party and the state party's job to:
Register new conservative voters
Get pre-filled mail-in ballot applications to all conservative voters
Make sure all those conservative voters return the applications
Make sure all those conservative voters fill out and return their mail-in ballot.
Make sure more Republican ballots are returned than Democrats.

Democrats did all of this-- and they won.

The Republican Party--whose only fucking job is to help candidates for the party win--did none of that. They did not do one damned thing to help Oz, Walker, Masters, et al., get more ballots. Nothing. And they blame Trump?

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at November 11, 2022 08:28 AM (5EnGD)

183 >>>This is a key observation. Lot of working class folks in PA saw the Lump as more like themselves than Oz, who is too polished.
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You give too much credit to voter perceptions.

This election was lost by Mastriano, and by ballot collection on the left. GOTV is yesterdays news; now they don't need the corpus at the polls to get the vote counted.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 11, 2022 08:28 AM (K3WTO)

184 I might not be the first to say this but I am saying anyway. There was a "noose" found at the construction site in Chicago at President Obama's Library/Monument.
Fake until I see a picture f the noose. When I see a picture of the actual noose, I need it to look like an actual noose, I will believe it. Then I will look for a minority suspect who was building sympathy for the President.

Posted by: Picric at November 11, 2022 08:28 AM (13tTk)

185 Oz never did nothing for me. I already had it.

Posted by: The Tin Man at November 11, 2022 08:28 AM (4I/2K)

186 I know it's called Veteran's Day. But, didn't it used to be called War Remembrance Day or something like that?
Posted by: dantesed at November 11, 2022 08:21 AM (88xKn)

Armistice Day. End of WW1.

Posted by: lowandslow at November 11, 2022 08:28 AM (qH6FZ)

187 They must have something very nasty on DeSantis, is my first reaction.
No way they would pump up a Republican if they didn't believe they could effectively beat him.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 11, 2022 08:12 AM (JiTLE)
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It could be as simple as believing DeSantis or other Rs don't have a real path to the presidency. Could be right or wrong, but that's sufficient reason to back him over a more feared opponent.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 11, 2022 08:13 AM (eYoxG)
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I'm with Red Turban. They probably believe DeSantis would be much easier to defeat.

Trump is the disruptor. That is why the dems, GOPe, IC, etc. all hate him. It derives from fear.

I'll say this again (and again): I will vote for DeSantis if he is the candidate. But this tremendous push from all sides to back him and dump Trump should at least raise some suspicions.

Tell me again how many planes full of illegals DeSantis sent to Martha's Vineyard.

Posted by: IrishEi at November 11, 2022 08:28 AM (3ImbR)

188 The only complaint about Trump now is the same one I have always had. His massive ego won't let him keep his mouth shut often enough.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at November 11, 2022 08:29 AM (BF0SU)

189 I wish I could pour over Pa voting precincts numbers

Posted by: Skip's phone at November 11, 2022 08:29 AM (7QicS)

190 The 11/11 holiday started after WWI, which officially ended on this date at 11 am, hence Armistice Day.

They didn't think there'd be a sequel.

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 11, 2022 08:29 AM (SJsWC)

191 If the GOPe and their counterpart the DNC succeed in getting us to turn on Trump and getting desantis to run, the damage to America will be immense. Florida is a HUGE stumbling block to the DNC, and eliminating desantis would open the door to the likes of Andrew Gollem. We can't be so stupid to allow them to fool us. Be smarter. If Trump was as bad and ineffective as they say they wouldn't be so intent on removing him. We need him, amwerica needs him.

Posted by: Chillin the most at November 11, 2022 08:29 AM (0uQp2)

192 It's reported there are 26 million student loan forgiveness applications already in the system - freeloader speed I guess - we're lucky the election wasn't worse.

Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at November 11, 2022 08:29 AM (AaLDK)

193 A new commenter is disappointed in me. Oh well.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at November 11, 2022 08:29 AM (PWvcU)

194 I think Oz lost cuz of the "lets elect a spaz" vote

never underestimate how fucked up people are

Posted by: REDACTED at November 11, 2022 08:29 AM (us2H3)

195
It's a mid-term, we do expect less turnout independent of other factors.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 11, 2022

It's a mid-term with rampant inflation, crazy expensive energy, an unsecured border, out of control public schools, and at least 10 other good reasons for people to get off their ass and vote. Even securing a mail-in ballot in this state is a piece of cake.

I don't get it.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at November 11, 2022 08:30 AM (y3pKJ)

196 Gen X will be able to clean up the mess that was made with the help of our Gen Z kids.
Posted by: justasheep at November 11, 2022 08:27 AM (EUTgk)

"Things will be different when we are in charge!" hehe.... classic.

Posted by: tryhardneckbeard at November 11, 2022 08:30 AM (OLVeZ)

197 GOP took back the State Supreme courts in NC and Ohio.

Court in NC did a mid decade gerrymander that lost the GOP 3 seats, even though the GOP held huge margins in legislature. Rumor is that will rectify that in 2023

Same with Ohio. Chief Justice was a GOP appointee who nuked GOP maps after the census

Posted by: Jonah at November 11, 2022 08:30 AM (WY8d2)

198 A new commenter is disappointed in me. Oh well.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory
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A day that ends in a Y for me.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at November 11, 2022 08:30 AM (8HfoY)

199 The fraud that was pointed out to me doing that in 2020 showed a lot was electronic fraud I think.

Posted by: Skip's phone at November 11, 2022 08:30 AM (7QicS)

200 I think that letter from Trump was the beginning of the end. For a guy who gets branding slagging DeSantis like that makes no sense.

Posted by: blaster at November 11, 2022 08:30 AM (pwExq)

201 I'll vote for Trump or DeSantis, but I worry that Trump is burning too many bridges. Even if he were to win he would be a lame duck president. There are too many people in office heading up the military etc. and other offices that will sabotage him. Unfortunately, people like Lisa Murkowski probably won't support or vote for him.

Trump also motivates the Left to vote because they despise him. He turns a lot of suburban women off.
My friends that voted Republican have been texting me and are really getting turned off but Trump's recent statements on DeSantis.

I love Trump, but he's got to stop alienating everyone if he wants to win.

Posted by: redridinghood at November 11, 2022 08:30 AM (NpAcC)

202 They didn't think there'd be a sequel.
Posted by: Ignoramus at November 11, 2022 08:29 AM (SJsWC)
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Calling it either "The Great War" or "The War to End All Wars" is sort of a giveaway on that...

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 11, 2022 08:31 AM (t0OGg)

203 A day that ends in a Y for me.
Posted by: SMH at what's coming at November 11, 2022 08:30 AM (8HfoY)

No, thats reserved for our Spouse's disappointment in us.

Posted by: tryhardneckbeard at November 11, 2022 08:31 AM (OLVeZ)

204 There was a lot of stupid in WW1, but a galling example was they waited to declare the armistice until 11 AM on 11/11. Some politicians view of symmetry cost thousands of soldiers their lives while the fighting continued to an arbitrary clock setting.

Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at November 11, 2022 08:31 AM (AaLDK)

205 The dems are in disarray and the blue shitholes are ripe with out of control crime and poverty.

The GOP doesn't do dick to capitalize on that and, instead, starts infighting and blaming Trump for everything and we all get our shit pushed in because of it.

We're not voting our way out of this.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 11, 2022 08:31 AM (Zz0t1)

206 Huck - My point is that the system we have, which the Democrats exploit, is here now. As long as Democrats keep winning, the system won't change.

You have to win first to change the system to something that allows for clean elections.

Much of what they are doing is completely legal, and gives them a structural advantage. But we keep ignoring it because we keep chasing the fraud shibboleth. It does enable fraud, but even if the fraud was removed, the Democrats will still have that structural advantage.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 11, 2022 08:31 AM (5p7BC)

207
I wish I could pour over Pa voting precincts numbers

Posted by: Skip's phone at November 11, 2022 08:29 AM

You can start here:
https://www.usatoday.com/elections/results/race
/2022-11-08-senate-PA-39002/

Posted by: Divide by Zero at November 11, 2022 08:31 AM (y3pKJ)

208 ll according to plan. The GOP would rather die than let itself be changed.

I hope its wish is granted.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 11, 2022 08:17 AM (t0OGg)

That's what we're up against. People committed to their corruption to the death.

Posted by: Ordinary American at November 11, 2022 08:31 AM (H8QX8)

209 The fraud that was pointed out to me doing that in 2020 showed a lot was electronic fraud I think.
Posted by: Skip's phone at November 11, 2022 08:30 AM (7QicS)
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There was some, but it was largely a sideshow. The electronic voting systems are easy to manipulate, but most of the fraud was things like double-running of ballots and fraudulent (though not counterfeit) ballots. Those things are evergreen.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 11, 2022 08:32 AM (t0OGg)

210 175 Pat Toomey is a piece of shit.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at November 11, 2022 08:25 AM (PWvcU

Toomey = Lumpy's Toomah

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 11, 2022 08:32 AM (x0n13)

211 I love Trump, but he's got to stop alienating everyone if he wants to win.
Posted by: redridinghood at November 11, 2022 08:30 AM (NpAcC)

He didn't alienate anybody, go watch the Ad he was calling RDS "Desanctimonious" over... it was terrible and was a much needed callout. If Rons team keeps putting Ads out like that he's gonna get obliterated in any election outside of Florida.

As always, everyone knee jerks over Trumps comments before they look at the context.

Posted by: tryhardneckbeard at November 11, 2022 08:33 AM (OLVeZ)

212 Ryan Zinke won that new House Seat in Montana, that was mapped to go Dem. Cool

Posted by: Jonah at November 11, 2022 08:33 AM (WY8d2)

213 Posted by: Picric at November 11, 2022 08:28 AM (13tTk)

And you are not alone in these thoughts.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 11, 2022 08:33 AM (vH/6k)

214 As always, we should probably wait 2-3 days before seeing how reality plays out versus the instant hot takes -

1) Both Trump and DeSantis are big boys, if they can't handle some back and forth and campaign criticism, they don't belong at the top of the ticket. Now, fight! And may the best man win.

2) Voter fraud is real and luxurious as we're seeing right now in Maricopa. In the states and/or areas where fraud was better controlled the Republicans had big gains. So, going forward, wherever we can we need to make voter fraud as impossible as possible(!).
Wherever we can't stop Democrat voter fraud, then the Republicans really really need to show the Dims how it done. We can control the fraud only if we have the power to do so.

3) The national leadership is incompetent and needs to be replaced with people ready to fight long and hard for their voters' policy preferences. When have we won any major policy issues, even when we're controlled Congress and/or the Presidency? We haven't.
(con't)

Posted by: naturalfake at November 11, 2022 08:33 AM (KLPy8)

215 Great article, JJ. Thoughtful, unbiased and spot-on!

I think you could also add the case of a lot of tradirional Rebublican voters staying home, due to despondence (and anger) over 2020 and the lack of ANY pushback by Republican leaders for that gigantic crime, which the Left gleefully admitted they did by "fortifying" the election process.

Posted by: Tracy at November 11, 2022 08:33 AM (YO+Db)

216 Broad brushes.....Get your Board Brushes here!!!

Best Broad Brushes that money can buy...

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 11, 2022 08:33 AM (1n+EO)

217 MSNBC claimed that Republicans like DeSantis dominated Florida because of ... gerrymandering

Posted by: SMOD at November 11, 2022 08:33 AM (RHGPo)

218 To the bastards and whores blaming Trump:

What better message were you selling to voters?
What better policy victories were the candidates running on?
What more fundraising did you do for the candidates?
What additional rallies did you hold for the candidates?

Trump delivered in all of those.
You delivered on none of those.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at November 11, 2022 08:33 AM (5EnGD)

219 "Bad candidate quality" just means conservative. I've never really been a Shapiro hater, but **** him.

Posted by: Eeyore at November 11, 2022 08:33 AM (TgBWG)

220 204 There was a lot of stupid in WW1, but a galling example was they waited to declare the armistice until 11 AM on 11/11. Some politicians view of symmetry cost thousands of soldiers their lives while the fighting continued to an arbitrary clock setting.
Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at November 11, 2022 08:31 AM (AaLDK)

That was the thrust of "All Quiet on the Western Front," at least the newest version on Netflix. It is outstanding IMHO.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 11, 2022 08:34 AM (x0n13)

221 We're not voting our way out of this.
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And if everyone takes this attitude, we won't. This is exactly what the establishment wants you to believe. Because then they win by default.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 11, 2022 08:34 AM (5p7BC)

222 Dems are de ft initeky going to be support to ing Trump to be e the GOP nominee in 2024

[Translation: men defecated into my mother 24 years ago and out popped me 9 months later]

Posted by: Paul [Kurt] at November 11, 2022 08:34 AM (E2Rzh)

223 Toomey was always a piece of shit.
Casey is an empty suit.
Specter was the worst.

Posted by: mpfs, Twatwaffle Alert. at November 11, 2022 08:34 AM (fuCr+)

224 217 MSNBC claimed that Republicans like DeSantis dominated Florida because of ... gerrymandering
Posted by: SMOD at November 11, 2022 08:33 AM (RHGPo)

Or Gillummanhandling . . .

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 11, 2022 08:34 AM (x0n13)

225 211. Broken glass Trumper here, but he has to check his ego. Calling out a Desantis, who won by 20, and produced 4 house pickups, is insane.

Posted by: Jonah at November 11, 2022 08:35 AM (WY8d2)

226 Happy Vet Day to my fellow GWOT vets.

If it wasn't for us, Halliburton, KBR, Raytheon, General Dynamics, etc, wouldn't be the companies they are today and the Cheneys would be in the poor house.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at November 11, 2022 08:35 AM (8HfoY)

227 g o f ck yours elf, Paul.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at November 11, 2022 08:35 AM (PWvcU)

228 There was a lot of stupid in WW1, but a galling example was they waited to declare the armistice until 11 AM on 11/11. Some politicians view of symmetry cost thousands of soldiers their lives while the fighting continued to an arbitrary clock setting.
Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at November 11, 2022 08:31 AM (AaLDK)
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This is why I give no support whatsoever to the argument that we shouldn't have nuked Japan because they were months - and possibly just weeks - away from starvation and surrender. That is probably true, but it's irrelevant.

Every single day that war continued resulted in the death and injury of thousands of Americans. Every single day that war continued increased the odds of Soviet occupation of the northern islands (the Soviets had even landed and established beachheads in the north).

That argument assumes that the slowly grinding ascent of American casualties during each day that war continued is better than nuking the enemy and ending it. That argument is wrong.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 11, 2022 08:35 AM (t0OGg)

229 169 Pat Toomey busting on Trump. AssH only won in 2016 because of Trump.

Thanks for retiring jaghoff, opening that seat up.
Posted by: Jonah at November 11, 2022 08:24 AM (WY8d2)

whoa there, you are disputing Dave in FL theory

Posted by: REDACTED at November 11, 2022 08:35 AM (us2H3)

230 Oz lost by 3, Mastriano by 14. Oz was dragged down by the GOPe supporting Shapiro.
Posted by: Jonah at November 11, 2022 08:18 AM (WY8d2)
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And Mastriano got ZIP from the RNC. McConnell actually came out against him.

Posted by: IrishEi at November 11, 2022 08:35 AM (3ImbR)

231 Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 11, 2022 08:34 AM (5p7BC)

Thanks.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 11, 2022 08:35 AM (vH/6k)

232 224. But no mention of the gerrymandering in IL?

Posted by: Jonah at November 11, 2022 08:35 AM (WY8d2)

233 "Also, Trump did cost us some elections, especially in PA, because there is a core of Trump voters who WILL NOT VOTE FOR ANYONE BUT TRUMP."

First, Trump has a 93 percent success rate of his endorsed candidates at last count.

Second, I don't think ANYONE (even you, Dave) has any idea how big a group the "WILL NOT VOTE FOR ANYONE BUT TRUMP" is, especially when the election comes around.

Posted by: Brunnhilde at November 11, 2022 08:35 AM (aW5/6)

234 Look at the races in Florida, which cleaned up its election process and voter rolls, and Arizona and Pennsylvania, and I think it is obvious what happened. One of the biggest states had its numbers in by ten pm and a massive republican win, compared to states that will still be massaging numbers into next week.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at November 11, 2022 08:36 AM (lTGtQ)

235 209 The fraud that was pointed out to me doing that in 2020 showed a lot was electronic fraud I think.
Posted by: Skip's phone at November 11, 2022 08:30 AM (7QicS)
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There was some, but it was largely a sideshow. The electronic voting systems are easy to manipulate, but most of the fraud was things like double-running of ballots and fraudulent (though not counterfeit) ballots. Those things are evergreen.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 11, 2022 08:32 AM (t0OGg)

The key element of the electronic fraud was being able to easily monitor results. We all know the gamesmanship of trying to minimize that window where Ds know how much they need to steal a win, conversely they try to expand that window.

In their theory they also used it to try and coordinate the steal in a less chunky fashion(trying to avoid 100% Biden dumps and get more plausible dumps like 55/45), but that made the fraudulent dumps overly uniform. I don't think there's much reason for them to bother with this again, it doesn't look any more statistically believable.

The intel they were getting in a timely fashion was key to their execution though.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 11, 2022 08:36 AM (eYoxG)

236 The 11th Hour, of the 11th Day, of the 11th Month

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 11, 2022 08:36 AM (dO/0d)

237 Mitch McConnell is America's biggest problem. Democrats are who they are but he is a wolf in sheep's clothing, harming his own voters and all other Republicans who don't kneel before him. He undermines and punishes all Republicans who want to do the right thing.

He must go as nothing will change as long as he is in charge.

Posted by: President Select Decaf at November 11, 2022 08:37 AM (3JfbU)

238 Dems are de ft initeky going to be support to ing Trump to be e the GOP nominee in 2024
Posted by: Paul at November 11, 2022 08:34 AM (E2Rzh)
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You guys try this stunt every election cycle. Very tiresome. Can't you come up with something more original?

Posted by: IrishEi at November 11, 2022 08:37 AM (3ImbR)

239 Much of what they are doing is completely legal, and gives them a structural advantage. But we keep ignoring it because we keep chasing the fraud shibboleth. It does enable fraud, but even if the fraud was removed, the Democrats will still have that structural advantage.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 11, 2022 08:31 AM (5p7BC)

If vote by mail is totally on the up and up then it doesn't matter, right? They are just mailing in votes they already have.

The problem is that VBM allows the creation of votes and no way to audit that.

The two are deeply intertwined.

Posted by: blaster at November 11, 2022 08:37 AM (pwExq)

240 Maybe after the cataclysm that boomers have brought upon the world runs its course and enough have died off, Gen X will be able to clean up the mess that was made with the help of our Gen Z kids.
Posted by: justasheep at November 11, 2022 08:27 AM (EUTgk)

I don't know how old you are but you seem awful foolish and have no understanding of humans and time.
In ten years even the youngest of the Gen X will be old enough that they don't want to 'fix' anything.
And who do you think 'runs things' now?

Posted by: lowandslow at November 11, 2022 08:38 AM (qH6FZ)

241 236 The 11th Hour, of the 11th Day, of the 11th Month
Posted by: Nevergiveup

This

Posted by: mpfs, Twatwaffle Alert. at November 11, 2022 08:38 AM (fuCr+)

242 The intel they were getting in a timely fashion was key to their execution though.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 11, 2022 08:36 AM (eYoxG)
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Yup. All precincts should report simultaneously. Make them guess.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 11, 2022 08:38 AM (t0OGg)

243 230. Rove is the villian. Why people watch Fox News is crazy. They had that traitor on election night. He made sure Mastriano lost, Boldic in NH, Palin, Tudor Dixon etc..

Posted by: Jonah at November 11, 2022 08:38 AM (WY8d2)

244 The Republicans taking the House (hopefully) is a major victory* because it will end Democrat spend-a-palooza budget reconciliation bills for the next two years.

*Assuming the number of House GOPe and RINO sell-outs for pork barrel money is less than the size of the Republican majority. It appears that will be very small, smaller than the Dems have now. I don't know the House rules - maybe the Speaker has the power to keep a bill from ultimately getting a floor vote.

Posted by: Gref at November 11, 2022 08:38 AM (AMIL/)

245 I wonder if Trump knows something we don't?

I do feel like there is an effort underway to turn us away from Trump. I think he's seeing it play out and is trying to get in front of it. The man has given up his lifestyle, his reputation, wealth, and his family has been drug through the mud. I'm actually shocked he still has the will to keep fighting. I'm not looking forward to two years of mud slinging, but I won't be voting for anyone who gets the full endorsement of the GOPe and their minions. They want so desperately to go back to the days before Trump and I won't help them do it.

Posted by: spypeach at November 11, 2022 08:38 AM (UuB/1)

246 So play to win, and do the same things. Go after unused ballots. Get them by hook or crook, regardless of legality. Playing by the rules will ensure that you never, ever win in a VBM state. Go down to their level and cheat your asses off and seize the victory like they do.

Then change the law. And there's the rub: they won't. Even if they manage to win through cheating (and that is what we're talking about here: competitive cheating), why would they get rid of such a useful tool?
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)
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Yes

Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 11, 2022 08:38 AM (5p7BC)

247 Posted by: Paul at November 11, 2022 08:34 AM (E2Rzh)

You ought to get those hiccups medically checked out. It might be sign of a bigger problem.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 11, 2022 08:38 AM (vH/6k)

248 These liberals like to talk about how the republicans did worse than expected, have any of them talked about "why" it was expected? Would they admit it was "expected" because the economy is tanking, inflation is out of control, the idiots in the white house are destroying whole sectors of our economy?

Posted by: Reality Man at November 11, 2022 08:38 AM (XTMvj)

249 -------
And if everyone takes this attitude, we won't. This is exactly what the establishment wants you to believe. Because then they win by default.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 11, 2022 08:34 AM (5p7BC)

I believe it because it's true. I didn't say I was going to stop voting, because I won't. Until the heads start rolling and the worthless fucks are gone, we're not voting our way out of it.

No campaign is going to convince the stupid electorate they're the better choice. The fact that Fetterman won and Kari Lake didn't take it in a landslide shows that we're just not taking any of this seriously and I don't see that changing anytime soon no matter who runs or how they campaign. This election PROVES that.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 11, 2022 08:39 AM (Zz0t1)

250 Why can't we have a Freedom Caucus in the Senate? One that can actually hold a candle to the Turtle's balls?

Posted by: Eeyore at November 11, 2022 08:39 AM (TgBWG)

251 The 11/11/11 thing was weird, for sure. It doesn't surprise me politicians would come up with that crackpot, they're all pieces of shit, after all.

What I don't get is the officers. If you know it's over, why order your men to keep shooting and dying? Just wait it out.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 11, 2022 08:39 AM (oINRc)

252 WTF is going on in alaska? Do they have another runoff after this?

Posted by: Jonah at November 11, 2022 08:39 AM (WY8d2)

253 TGIF!

Paraphrasing seen on tweeter: All these people analyzing the election results like it's legitimate...

Compare results of VA and FL, with tight voting laws versus PA*, NV, AZ, and so on. AN with PA, weren't we being told it would take many days to get the results, but then when Fetterman win was assured - boom! - results out on time! It's almost like they've trained us to tolerate slow counting when the election is close -- why would that be, huh?

Posted by: Lizzy at November 11, 2022 08:40 AM (I/doM)

254 "Anyone who claims to be in the light but hates a brother or sister is still in the darkness. Anyone who loves their brother and sister lives in the light, and there is nothing in them to make them stumble. But anyone who hates a brother or sister is in the darkness and walks around in the darkness. They do not know where they are going, because the darkness has blinded them. "

John 2:9-11

Posted by: Marcus T at November 11, 2022 08:40 AM (eacmp)

255 I would like to thank the Democrat Party and Deep State for refining the cheat to the point where we barely notice it now.

Posted by: creeper at November 11, 2022 08:40 AM (TnURt)

256 193 A new commenter is disappointed in me. Oh well.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at November 11, 2022 08:29 AM (PWvcU)

Occasional comments for 10 years is still new - according to boomers. Like I haven't heard that before.

Posted by: justasheep at November 11, 2022 08:40 AM (EUTgk)

257 Rove deserves to get beat to death with a 1/2" piece of rebar.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at November 11, 2022 08:40 AM (PWvcU)

258 206. Agree with Dave. Michigan just voted to have 8 days of early voting, drop boxes, and enshrined voting as a right in the state constitution. Which means denying voting to someone based on fraud will be extremely hard to do since it is now a right. The drafters of that amendment put the carrots in of mandatory ID and mandatory counting of military ballots which were already required. The Dems are preparing to install mail in voting here, hence the constitutional requirement of drop boxes. Right now we only have absentee which requires a signed request to your clerk and then a return directly to clerk or return to poll on Election Day.

Posted by: Jen the original at November 11, 2022 08:40 AM (F7Xfj)

259 The 11th Hour, of the 11th Day, of the 11th Month
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 11, 2022 08:36 AM (dO/0d)

This was the most important and consequential election of our lives and the electorate Amber Hearded.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 11, 2022 08:40 AM (Zz0t1)

260 "WILL NOT VOTE FOR ANYONE BUT TRUMP"

I don't understand this kind of thinking.

Posted by: grammie winger at November 11, 2022 08:40 AM (45fpk)

261 The Republicans taking the House (hopefully) is a major victory* because it will end Democrat spend-a-palooza budget reconciliation bills for the next two years. ...
Posted by: Gref at November 11, 2022 08:38 AM (AMIL/)
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This has never happened. Look for pork-laden CRs the flow like water. There will be another "debt ceiling showdown" with much noise and killer sound bites and probably a brief (3-7 days) "government shutdown" that will end with the debt ceiling being increased yet again after some back-room dealing that gives GOP leadership a bit of a beak-soaking

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 11, 2022 08:41 AM (t0OGg)

262 Respect and gratitude to all the Veterans of this nation. I sleep peacefully in my bed at night because rough men & women stand watch and are ready to do violence in defense of us.

Posted by: Count de Monet at November 11, 2022 08:41 AM (4I/2K)

263 Excellent post Mr. Sefton.

Posted by: Bach in Black at November 11, 2022 08:41 AM (7ubmG)

264 yeah, Rove's a bad guy but he is only doing what his patron tells him to do

that way the Bushes can keep their hands nice and clean

at least Trump does his own wet work

Posted by: REDACTED at November 11, 2022 08:41 AM (us2H3)

265 Is it any surprise that the worthless, lazy, stupid and mendacious parasites running the GOP since at least W as the "at least were not always as bad as the Democrats"--no conservative ideas, policies, conviction, or vision-- have found their new, improved message?

"At least we're not Trump."

No, nothing conservative; more sniping from the bushes by cowards.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at November 11, 2022 08:41 AM (5EnGD)

266 Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 11, 2022 08:31 AM (5p7BC)
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The fraud shibboleth is quite real, and we agree on its roots. Mollie Hemingway dissected the process in her book, which has been a revelation to me.

In analyzing the future efforts, ending anonymous voting is key. Whether it is mail-in or drop-box voting, each ballot needs to be specifically associated with a particular voter, as Florida for years and years.

We need to end the fuzzy, hazy practices Zuckerberg's money bought, with ballot inspectors paid to ignore obvious fraud.

But the quasi-fraud, the not-quite-criminal anonymous ballots are our principal targets.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 11, 2022 08:42 AM (JiTLE)

267 154 How much of that change is coming from taxpayers? It's not as if tuition were lower now.
Posted by: Eeyore at November 11, 2022 08:13 AM (TgBWG)

They aren't getting shit, this will only be on the Federal Level if at all. A Texas Judge just shot the plan down and its destined to go to SCOTUS.

We may be looking at another riot scenario and I don't think the population at large is going to take kindly to kids burning shit down cause they want someone else to pay their tab.
Posted by: tryhardneckbeard at November 11, 2022 08:20 AM (OLVeZ)
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Why in the world should we expect the population to care? They haven't cared about lefties burning shit down so far. At least, not as much as they fear "fascism".

Posted by: Eeyore at November 11, 2022 08:42 AM (TgBWG)

268
at least Trump does his own wet work
Posted by: REDACTED at November 11, 2022 08:41 AM (us2H3)

Trump trashing DeSantis makes no sense and only divides the base even more. It's a stupid move.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 11, 2022 08:42 AM (Zz0t1)

269 Second, I don't think ANYONE (even you, Dave) has any idea how big a group the "WILL NOT VOTE FOR ANYONE BUT TRUMP" is, especially when the election comes around.
Posted by: Brunnhilde at November 11, 2022 08:35 AM (aW5/6)

Seeing my family and friends, I think they involve a large portion of married white women. Considering we need those women to win, it's not a great idea to stick it to them.

Honestly, I admit the pre-election and post-election DeSantis stuff Trump did this year (with the interview and the rally) was the straw that broke me. I just don't want drama anymore.

I appreciate he was robbed. I voted for him twice. I'll vote for him again if he's the nominee and try to get everyone onboard. But I'm not voting for him in the primary

Posted by: Nova local at November 11, 2022 08:42 AM (exHjb)

270 A federal judge in Texas struck down President Biden’s student loan handout in a Thursday night ruling.

“Whether the Program constitutes good public policy is not the role of this Court to determine. Still, no one can plausibly deny that it is either one of the largest delegations of legislative power to the executive branch, or one of the largest exercises of legislative power without congressional authority in the history of the United States,” United States District Judge Mark Pittman wrote.

Posted by: SMOD at November 11, 2022 08:42 AM (RHGPo)

271 Rove deserves to get beat to death with a 1/2" piece of rebar.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at November 11, 2022 08:40 AM (PWvcU)

Test subject for Insom's Tire Iron Emporium.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 11, 2022 08:43 AM (Zz0t1)

272 Level headed and sensible.

I wish GOPe were willing to back PDT they way they expect MAGA to fall in line with their puppet.

But is wishes were nuts, your aunt would have a merry Christmas as your new uncle.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at November 11, 2022 08:43 AM (vwMFL)

273 "My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends."

John 15:12-13

Posted by: Marcus T at November 11, 2022 08:44 AM (eacmp)

274 I don't think Trump stands a chance in 2024 even if he does run. Dems are going to hang COVID around his neck and the FNM will tie a Windsor knot in it.

Posted by: creeper at November 11, 2022 08:44 AM (TnURt)

275 BTW - Until I hear different, everything thing I have heard directly from DeSantis and his campaign is that he will not challenge Trump for the nomination. The "dump Trump for DeSantis" groundswell is being driven by donors and establishment.

I'm not a fan of what Trump is doing to fight it, and I think he is taking the bait. The establishment media and deep state know how to trigger him, and he is being played. So far, DeSantis is being smart and not responding.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 11, 2022 08:44 AM (5p7BC)

276 1. Lindsay is a dimwit for talking about a national abortion ban if gop took power.

2. Trump needs to go away. Voted twice for him but he's a wrecking ball on himself and the party. Now he's trying to attack DeSantis over Covid?! GTHO! I have grown to despise him.

3. Im still rather disappointed and even shocked how many in this country voted for more of the same. After Covid mandates, the past two years of disaster.....they still voted for the tyrant Dems. Frightening for the future

Posted by: BillBixby at November 11, 2022 08:44 AM (nPGg6)

277 I would like to thank the Democrat Party and Deep State for refining the cheat to the point where we barely notice it now.
Posted by: creeper
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Ballots, not votes, matter.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at November 11, 2022 08:44 AM (8HfoY)

278
...but then when Fetterman win was assured - boom! - results out on time!
Posted by: Lizzy at November 11, 2022 08:40 AM (I/doM)

Results are still trickling in Pennsylvania
96.86% Est. Vote Counted
Updated 7:12 AM EST Nov. 11, 2022

But Oz has gained no ground in past few days.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at November 11, 2022 08:44 AM (y3pKJ)

279 (con't)

4) The national leadership is incompetent. And need to be replaced. There was no or little national (Thanks, Turtle!) money going to MAGA candidates. And plenty of money going to Far Left Democrats in all but name (Helloooo, Coke Bear!) There was no national campaign on what the Reps stood for and why people should vote for them, there was nothing. Ask for nothing, get nothing.

5) What I need to see from DeSantis:
So far, I like the guy, but but but, he has not proven that he has or can have a national presence and coattails.
But, naturalfake, naturalfake, I hear you say, how can he do that? well...he can do that by- starting now showing he has the ability to get Trump level donations for both his campaign and other MAGA candidates. Plus, he has to start elevating those MAGA candidates in other states either with cash or endorsements or both.
If all he can do is knock-off Trump, but then not have a national following, I have no interest in him for a Presidential candidate.
All knocking off Trump would do then is get us a Jeb! o0r a Pence and fuck that.

More as reality clears the muddy waters.

Posted by: naturalfake at November 11, 2022 08:45 AM (KLPy8)

280 so will the media mount a Never Ron movement if he runs

Posted by: REDACTED at November 11, 2022 08:45 AM (us2H3)

281 I'm now finding the Trump/Desantis dustup amusing.

It's clear that GOPe is trying to push Trump off the stage and DeSantis and his backers are more than happy to help and play along.

I see Trumps attacks as a way of smoking DeSantis out and for him to put up or shut up, well are you running big boy, because if your running you have to go through me.

DeSantis could easily diffuse the situation by saying he's not running but obviously because the GOP is a retarded. illigitmaite political party that's not going to happen and we are going to get endless months of fighting and squabbling.

And after Tuesdays results I now fully understand that Trumps not the answer and DeSantis is not the answer, there is no answer, the only answer is letting it burn and hopefully something can be built out of the ashes of a once great country.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 11, 2022 08:45 AM (pV3Bm)

282 I'd like to recommend two films:

Cromwell, with Richard Harris.
Invasion of the Body Snatchers, with Sutherland.

Posted by: Ziba at November 11, 2022 08:45 AM (4h9M3)

283 WTF is going on in alaska? Do they have another runoff after this?
Posted by: Jonah at November 11, 2022 08:39 AM (WY8d2)

It appears they counted the 1st choice votes, now they're going to take a break and tally the 2nd choice votes sometime in the future.

Posted by: lowandslow at November 11, 2022 08:45 AM (qH6FZ)

284 Son did three tours. He lost another army buddy this week to suicide. That makes ten.

Posted by: grammie winger at November 11, 2022 08:46 AM (45fpk)

285 Respect and gratitude to all the Veterans of this nation. I sleep peacefully in my bed at night because rough men & women stand watch and are ready to do violence in defense of us.
Posted by: Count de Monet
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Just don't misgender the troops...
May hurt their feelz.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at November 11, 2022 08:46 AM (8HfoY)

286 I put all the blame for the R's failures on McConnel and the RNC.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at November 11, 2022 08:46 AM (UuD2k)

287 Occasional comments for 10 years is still new - according to boomers. Like I haven't heard that before.
Posted by: justasheep at November 11, 2022 08:40 AM (EUTgk)
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Way to endear yourself to the Horde, decennial commenter.

Posted by: IrishEi at November 11, 2022 08:47 AM (3ImbR)

288 Two things:

Dave in Fl: email me dbl.143.id@ g string dot com

I see abortion mouse winning outright at this point. The votes tallies that are trickling in are actually improving Hobbs' total. I don't see how Lake wins Maricopa or Pima. It appears to me that outstanding votes favor Hobbs - what are you seeing that I'm not?

Sefton: how do I get on the podcast?

Posted by: MJ at November 11, 2022 08:47 AM (zwDuR)

289 But Oz has gained no ground in past few days.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at November 11, 2022 08:44 AM (y3pKJ)

so he's aint gonna get over the lump

Posted by: REDACTED at November 11, 2022 08:47 AM (us2H3)

290 ""Gen Z. What a sick joke. They don't deserve America.""

In defense of them...Boomers, GenX, Millennials have stuck them with 31 TRILLION dollars of debt that is going to leave them with a life of debt slavery. They really have no hope of anything...I would have a bad attitude as well.

Posted by: DaveX64 - AWFLs smell like dryer sheets at November 11, 2022 08:47 AM (QrFBC)

291 Son did three tours. He lost another army buddy this week to suicide. That makes ten.
Posted by: grammie winger
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I stopped counting a long time ago.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at November 11, 2022 08:47 AM (8HfoY)

292 "I hate you. I'm planning to rob you and betray you. But never forget how much I hate you, you filthy fucking prole morlock. Now vote for me and give me money."

This has, quite literally, been the GOP's message to their voters for years. They don't bother hiding it. And it works on a fairly surprising number of people. But it's fewer every day.

That's the real problem here, and I can't blame younger people for saying "no thanks," to that inspiring message. At least the Dems *pretend* not to actively despise their voters.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 11, 2022 08:48 AM (oINRc)

293 260 "WILL NOT VOTE FOR ANYONE BUT TRUMP"

I don't understand this kind of thinking.
Posted by: grammie winger at November 11, 2022 08:40 AM (45fpk)

I understand it. It arises from feelings of passion and betrayal, each feeding off the other. The former is endemic to politics, the latter has been almost invariable in our time. Trump was a phenomenal and exhilarating departure from that, and was himself betrayed, spectacularly and before our eyes.

It may appear or even be irrational, but it is understandable.

Posted by: Ordinary American at November 11, 2022 08:48 AM (H8QX8)

294 Good grief I'm out for at least a week. This is very tiring having to slog through comments about an election that's 2 years out. This is why conservatism loses, the constant infighting and recriminations. What would be nice right now is a bit of positive posting about AZ and NM, it's not over yet and all of you have given up and moved on to the next possible defeat.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at November 11, 2022 08:48 AM (2NHgQ)

295 I stopped counting a long time ago.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at November 11, 2022 08:47 AM (8HfoY)

I'm so sorry, SMH.

Posted by: grammie winger at November 11, 2022 08:48 AM (45fpk)

296 I agree with the approach of Let Trump be Trump. Anyone wishing he had some advisor to reel him in is wanting Trump to be someone else.

The fight has started and it will continue but I think Trump grievously wounded himself with his latest rant. Because he lashed out at the most popular Republican governor and thus made Florida voters look dumb for enthusiastic support of an "average" governor.

This isn't just a throwaway line that was plausibly explained away by a poke at an over the top ad. This was a paragraph that trashed the guy.

Posted by: blaster at November 11, 2022 08:48 AM (pwExq)

297 Has anyone seen Fetterman's Neck Lump and Karl Rove in the same room at the same time?

Things that make you go Ummmmmm.

More coffee..

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 11, 2022 08:48 AM (R/m4+)

298 261. Joe, your points are valid. GOP House does accomplish many things. Move to ditch filibuster goes moot. Ways and means chairman becomes GOP. Where all spending starts.

Roe does not get codified. many other things.

Posted by: Jonah at November 11, 2022 08:49 AM (WY8d2)

299 The Millennials are the hardest-left generation and it isn't changing much as they age. They get jobs, buy houses, have kids and most remain staunchly leftist.

Posted by: Joe Mannix
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The economic pain now is not transitory but becoming structural as the kick the can down the road has reached end of the road. Basically, you can have low interest rates but you will have very high inflation as the debt is depreciated away or you can have high interest rates and the interest on the federal debt rapidly eats the budget alive.

The Millennials have been sheltered by relatively good times with 2008 being the exception and they blame that on the GOP. What is coming is far worse as government debts are becoming unserviceable so there will be debt suppression of the economy and no more freebies.

Posted by: whig at November 11, 2022 08:49 AM (CXr4y)

300 Is the GOP grooming DeSantis to go up against Trump in an effort to sweep MAGA off the stage?

It sort of looks like it. Maybe. The GOP would do about anything, even throw elections they could have won, if it means keeping Trump and/or his agenda out of politics.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 11, 2022 08:49 AM (Q4IgG)

301 They want people completely frustrated with election process. They're winning that angle, too,

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at November 11, 2022 08:49 AM (PWvcU)

302 so will the media mount a Never Ron movement if he runs
Posted by: REDACTED at November 11, 2022 08:45 AM (us2H3)
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Propaganda Press will propagandize against any and every Republican, I suppose, but it feels like the corporate media is a little bit on the run.

Not sure why I think so, but the defensiveness at mainstream sites, the nascent efforts to make CNN a little more commercially viable, the twitter events....maybe the Taylor Lorenz' of this world will finally get a little comeuppance.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 11, 2022 08:49 AM (JiTLE)

303 >>Results are still trickling in Pennsylvania
96.86% Est. Vote Counted

But winner was called, concession speech made, etc..

Posted by: Lizzy at November 11, 2022 08:49 AM (I/doM)

304 First, Trump has a 93 percent success rate of his endorsed candidates at last count.
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The original and newfound NeverTrumpers say that those were all safe GOP seats that PDT had nothing to do with winning!

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at November 11, 2022 08:49 AM (yikp0)

305 We need to bring back Armistice day.
Especially since we seem to be repeating 1914 in Ukraine.

Posted by: Zek at November 11, 2022 08:49 AM (fsV7e)

306 108
We're giving the puppies a bath today. Pray for me.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 11, 2022 08:11 AM (MoZTd)

Turn on the sprinklers. They'll wash themselves.

Bring a camera.

Posted by: CZ=FNG, Free Republic of Florida at November 11, 2022 08:49 AM (MkuC5)

307 They want people completely frustrated with election process. They're winning that angle, too,
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory
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No frustration on my part.

I want no part of it.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at November 11, 2022 08:50 AM (8HfoY)

308 On Shapiro... the critique assumes Democrats and their voters are just like us. That they approach politics the same way. They don't. They are MUCH better at the team sport of winning in politics if we are. They understand that if you don't win, NOTHING ELSE MATTERS. Their voters (just like their politicians) rarely ever go off the reservation the way ours do.

So YES, candidate quality matters FOR US. I still think Walker has a chance to win, but his overall lack of finesse, inexperience, and Clintonian scandals all could have been prevented. We make the mistake of believing that just because Trump could do it that any other right-leaning celeb can throw their hat in the ring and achieve the same result. They can't. And don't even get me started on Mehmet Oz. I know it sucks, but we dodged a HUGE bullet losing with that guy and getting the gift of fetterman.

And for God's sake the intra-party war has to stop. That includes voters who stay home, conservatarian/maga purists who think everyone else is a rino, and establishment types who think business as usual can continue. But God only knows how we solve this problem and get unified.

Posted by: SMFH at November 11, 2022 08:50 AM (CEh/e)

309 Veterans Day.

To all who've served, Thank You for your time, bravery, and sacrifice for this country.

Prayers up for you & yours.

Posted by: Lola at November 11, 2022 08:50 AM (NIYa7)

310 Results are still trickling in Pennsylvania
96.86% Est. Vote Counted

But winner was called, concession speech made, etc..
Posted by: Lizzy at November 11, 2022 08:49 AM (I/doM)

Because it doesn't matter. They just elected a brain damaged trust fund baby to control their lives.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 11, 2022 08:50 AM (Zz0t1)

311 >>They want people completely frustrated with election process. They're winning that angle, too,

This.

As Obama liked to do: ~~Never let a crisis go to waste~~ Create the crisis then demand your solution!

Posted by: Lizzy at November 11, 2022 08:51 AM (I/doM)

312 Veterans Day.

To all who've served, Thank You for your time, bravery, and sacrifice for this country.

Prayers up for you & yours.
Posted by: Lola at November 11, 2022 08:50 AM (NIYa7)

All and every bit of this.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 11, 2022 08:51 AM (Zz0t1)

313 "yeah, i got friends and family in Decatur and it's JUST like that. i listened to them complain and go on and on about inflation, but they're all PROUD leftists voters.

Posted by: SturmToddler"

And in 2 years when inflation and high gas prices persist or are worse, they will still vote to keep abortion legal. Even though it will already be legal for first 8 weeks, more than enough time to decide to off their baby. .

Posted by: Ripley at November 11, 2022 08:51 AM (MxEKc)

314 Harris County Democratic party disputes claim that ballot paper shortages at 23 polling sites was intentional.

Wednesday morning, Harris County elections administrator Clifford Tatum said his office received several requests from election judges claiming they had run out of paper. That same day, he said he could not explain the cause for the paper shortage and said his office had millions of pages of paper to be used for the election.

So, you're defense is incompetence against a charge of malfeasance. Clever!

Posted by: Count de Monet at November 11, 2022 08:51 AM (4I/2K)

315 "I'm not a fan of what Trump is doing to fight it, and I think he is taking the bait. "

He is showing an absolute dearth of leadership and continues to expose his penchant for self, over others.

A real leader would be standing in Georgia, arm in arm with DeSantis, Kemp and Walker, ensuring unity, showing a consistency of objectives and sacrifice for the greater good, our country.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 11, 2022 08:51 AM (eacmp)

316 People forget so quickly, how the GOP House was stellar in 2020, winning 12 seats.

Posted by: Jonah at November 11, 2022 08:51 AM (WY8d2)

317 The Millennials have been sheltered by relatively good times with 2008 being the exception and they blame that on the GOP. What is coming is far worse as government debts are becoming unserviceable so there will be debt suppression of the economy and no more freebies.
Posted by: whig
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And the generation that will be most impacted will be Gen Z.
The same group that just voted for their Dem executioners to slowly chop off their heads.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at November 11, 2022 08:52 AM (8HfoY)

318 The amount of Trump-bashing coming from our OWN side is insane. I remember that there were MANY repubs who were hesitant to vote for Trump in 2020 because they just wanted. it. to. stop. As if voting for a squish will get the left to back down and LET you be free.

Please tell me who, exactly, is or was the politician that was just so perfect and eloquent and oh-so-well-behaved and oh, yes, EFFECTIVE that they are lightyears ahead of Trump.

Are people looking for a father-figure ? a messiah? or do they want to be free? Remember the gravity of the situation: they STOLE a general election.

It's an easy choice. Trump MUST be the candidate for 2024 and he MUST win. We MUST drag him over the finish line. That is a big act of aggression against the left. It's a HUGE jab in their eye and sends a strong message to them that we fight.

Sheesh stop rolling over for the left!!!!

Posted by: RondinellaMamma Donald J. Trump is our duly elected president at November 11, 2022 08:52 AM (l0Cy4)

319 Thehellwithit. I'ma go light the fire.

Posted by: creeper at November 11, 2022 08:52 AM (TnURt)

320 And to expand a bit. Our politicians are always telling us its 1939 when more often it's 1914.

Which is to say many more wars are started by combinations of factors combining in unpredictable ways, than by One Bully who just needs to be Stood Up To.

Posted by: Zek at November 11, 2022 08:52 AM (fsV7e)

321 307 They want people completely frustrated with election process.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory

And demoralized. One overlooked part of Angelo Codevilla's original essay on the Ruling Class was his call for us to do the demoralizing. But as we've learned, that's not who we are.

Posted by: Ordinary American at November 11, 2022 08:52 AM (H8QX8)

322 "When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked rule, the people mourn."
Proverbs 29:2

Seems appropriate since we are still talking politics!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Next year in Corsicana - again! ~ at November 11, 2022 08:52 AM (hOUT3)

323 The 18 -29 year olds have seen sluggish growth out of HS or college, significant growth for 2 years and now stagnant growth. With growth slowing even more.

Let's see how are in two years. 11K at FB. 3500 at Twitter. And more coming.

Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at November 11, 2022 08:53 AM (NW9xb)

324 Happy Veteran's Day and Happy Day After the Marine Corps Birthday. I'm whispering that last part because the hangovers are just starting.

Posted by: NR Pax at November 11, 2022 08:53 AM (Z7Jj3)

325 "When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked rule, the people mourn."
Proverbs 29:2
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Illinois in a nutshell.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at November 11, 2022 08:53 AM (8HfoY)

326 "You can run the best campaign and STILL get cheated."

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 11, 2022 08:53 AM (Zz0t1)

327 Liberterian won 3% in Ga. Walker needs his endorsement, and Kemp too.

2020 is under the bridge with Kemp. We have to move on and win that seat

Posted by: Jonah at November 11, 2022 08:54 AM (WY8d2)

328 I don't want to do this for two more years. For heaven's sake, we haven't even stopped counting THIS election.

Posted by: grammie winger at November 11, 2022 08:54 AM (45fpk)

329 So, you're defense is incompetence against a charge of malfeasance. Clever!
Posted by: Count de Monet at November 11, 2022 08:51 AM (4I/2K)

Who would argue they are wrong?

It's genius.

Now you see why they wanted Fetterman so badly.

Posted by: blaster at November 11, 2022 08:54 AM (pwExq)

330 >>Because it doesn't matter. They just elected a brain damaged trust fund baby to control their lives.

But my point is: why do close races take longer to count?
I get that you have to wait until every last ballot is counted (vs. call it when, say, 80% in), but why does it take weeks to do that when all ballots are in c.o.b election day just as they are elsewhere?

We have been trained to accept the Democrat delays, the counting until they "find" just enough ballots to say the Democrat won.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 11, 2022 08:54 AM (I/doM)

331 26 million student loan forgiveness applications already on file. Let's just say at an average of $15k, that's a cool $40 billion. We're almost talking Zelensky money baby!

Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at November 11, 2022 08:54 AM (AaLDK)

332 WILL NOT VOTE FOR ANYONE BUT TRUMP"

I don't understand this kind of thinking.
Posted by: grammie winger at November 11, 2022 08:40 AM (45fpk)
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Neither do I.

Posted by: redridinghood at November 11, 2022 08:54 AM (NpAcC)

333 @68

>>Sure, there could be some fraud in there, but it was a massive repudiation of Oz.

Which put the lie to "candidate quality."

Oz ran an entirely issues oriented campaign, not only did he not attack his opponent, he went out of his way to show compassion to his medical situation.

He barnstormed up and down the state and met with many black groups in Philly to talk about crime, drugs and jobs and really tried to understand their issues.

And what did he get for this, his f**king meat sack opponent and his surrogates viciously attacked him in the most personal and vulgar manner.

So I don't want to f**king hear about candidate quality, Oz was a quality candidate.

Oh and apparently the new governor is going to end the energy sector in PA.

So, f**k you yor retarded humps of PA who voted for this bullsh*t. I don't want to f**king hear about crime in Philly, I don't want to hear about sky-rocketing energy prices, I don't want to f**king hear anything from you f**king retards any more.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 11, 2022 08:54 AM (pV3Bm)

334 The Millennials have been sheltered by relatively good times with 2008 being the exception and they blame that on the GOP. What is coming is far worse as government debts are becoming unserviceable so there will be debt suppression of the economy and no more freebies.
Posted by: whig at November 11, 2022 08:49 AM (CXr4y)
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Which will (further) fracture Gen Z, not the Millennials. The left will keep the Millennials.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 11, 2022 08:55 AM (t0OGg)

335 296 I agree with the approach of Let Trump be Trump. Anyone wishing he had some advisor to reel him in is wanting Trump to be someone else.

The fight has started and it will continue but I think Trump grievously wounded himself with his latest rant. Because he lashed out at the most popular Republican governor and thus made Florida voters look dumb for enthusiastic support of an "average" governor.

This isn't just a throwaway line that was plausibly explained away by a poke at an over the top ad. This was a paragraph that trashed the guy.
Posted by: blaster
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Eh, I doubt it. 2024 is years away and most people are not invested in candidates. What is clear is that DeSantis, like Cruz, is not going to be allowed to draft behind Trump without Trump taking potshots at him for better or worse. DeSantis would be better served by not having surrogates attacking Trump or secret meetings and that sort of GOPe crap.

Do it like a man and take ownership of it. Trump at least is doing that openly. Cry havoc and let the dogs of politics fly now that DeSantis is reelected.

Posted by: whig at November 11, 2022 08:55 AM (CXr4y)

336 Cromwell, with Richard Harris.
Posted by: Ziba at November 11, 2022 08:45 AM (4h9M3)
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Great movie. Karl Rove could have been a nasty little clerk/helper to the Earl of Stafford and the role would fit.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 11, 2022 08:55 AM (aY/Sp)

337 303 >>Results are still trickling in Pennsylvania
96.86% Est. Vote Counted
But winner was called, concession speech made, etc..
Posted by: Lizzy

Well, a few very minor inconsequential mistakes ~~were~~ might have been made, but now it is time for our Precious Democracy to move on and conduct the People's Business.

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Next year in Corsicana - again! ~ at November 11, 2022 08:55 AM (hOUT3)

338 283 WTF is going on in alaska? Do they have another runoff after this?
Posted by: Jonah at November 11, 2022 08:39 AM (WY8d2)

It appears they counted the 1st choice votes, now they're going to take a break and tally the 2nd choice votes sometime in the future.

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The 2nd choice votes have already been tallied, so it will literally be an instant runoff once they have 100% or close to it reporting.

It's infuriating, but I don't see how Palin wins or Mookow loses at this point.

Posted by: Bitcoin Fixes Everything at November 11, 2022 08:55 AM (V6W16)

339 Just don't misgender the troops...
May hurt their feelz.
Posted by: SMH at what's coming at November 11, 2022 08:46 AM (8HfoY)

*nods* Thank you to you and ex-ex.

Posted by: Count de Monet at November 11, 2022 08:55 AM (4I/2K)

340 MJ - How many votes are sitting uncounted in Maricopa? When and how were those votes cast?

I told you yesterday, you are doing your math based on incorrect numbers. The SOS site is not telling you how many ballots remain uncounted in that report you are looking at.

There is a monster tranche of ballots that are heavily GOP that won't be counted until this weekend.

If Hobbs had the votes, Fox would have called the race.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 11, 2022 08:55 AM (5p7BC)

341 We can't win if we don't vote.

If everyone on our side stayed home in Texas we would have had Beto as governor.

Posted by: redridinghood at November 11, 2022 08:55 AM (NpAcC)

342 unfortunately for Kari, she is gonna get a up close and personal
understanding why Trump is so pissed off about getting rooked in 2020

Posted by: REDACTED at November 11, 2022 08:55 AM (us2H3)

343 I've been ranting about the McSally and Loeffler errors for two years. The establishment ignored Trump and did what they always do, and it backfired.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at November 11, 2022 08:55 AM (KnNvL)

344 I hate you. I'm planning to rob you and betray you. But never forget how much I hate you, you filthy fucking prole morlock. Now vote for me and give me money."
"This has, quite literally, been the GOP's message to their voters for years. They don't bother hiding it. And it works on a fairly surprising number of people. But it's fewer every day.
That's the real problem here, and I can't blame younger people for saying "no thanks," to that inspiring message. At least the Dems *pretend* not to actively despise their voters."
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 11, 2022 08:48 AM (oINRc)

I remember Peter Hitchens on some show not long after David Cameron became the UK Prime Minister. The 'Conservatives' were passing all sorts of liberal legislation from gay marriage to mass immigrations, against their voters will.
Hitches was asked why they do it and what they can do about, he told them "They hate you, and quit voting for them".

Posted by: lowandslow at November 11, 2022 08:56 AM (qH6FZ)

345 Let's get real: take away the convenience of mail in voting, it's a red wave.

Generation world owes me a living slacker who thinks working 20 hours a week is a crime against humanity wouldn't put forth the effort needed to get to a polling station.

However, since voting is a "right" and not a sacred privilege to be cherished, generation world owes me a living and everything is free slacker isn't inconvenienced by having to travel to an actual polling place to cast a vote.

And one party encourages generation lazy slacker to believe voting and free stuff is a right.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at November 11, 2022 08:56 AM (5pTK/)

346 LOL. sometime you would think it is November 2008 in here.

Dems 60 Senate seats, after Specter switched, and Franken stole.

GOP only had 178 House seats, with awful John Boehner as leader.

Posted by: Jonah at November 11, 2022 08:56 AM (WY8d2)

347 Is the GOP grooming DeSantis to go up against Trump in an effort to sweep MAGA off the stage?

It sort of looks like it. Maybe. The GOP would do about anything, even throw elections they could have won, if it means keeping Trump and/or his agenda out of politics.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 11, 2022 08:49 AM (Q4IgG)

Yeah, this looks to be the GOPe Plan. This is their 33-Dimension Chess strategy.
The only unknown is DeSantis himself. If he's the real deal nationally,he needs to start proving it.

By the way, this is how the GOPe fights wars and constantly avoids victory.

They try to titrate reality to an acceptable level of loss that avoids a definite victory.

This is their methodology and why the party sucks donkey doodles.

Posted by: naturalfake at November 11, 2022 08:56 AM (KLPy8)

348 So what do you really think Mr Bender? Awesome rant by the way - totally agree!

Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at November 11, 2022 08:56 AM (AaLDK)

349 I would like to say something in support of some 18-30 year olds. My son-who is a conservative-has a person in his dorm on an upper floor with a sign-which says "Does not play well with liberals". The sign is in the window and faces out towards the campus. I told him he should try to figure out who that person is and make friends with them, because I think that's a rather brave thing of them to do.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 11, 2022 08:56 AM (vH/6k)

350
Here's an economic indicator for you... the farm next to me used half as much fertilizer as previous years and the striping is plain as day. Vibrant green one row, puke yellow the next. Next year, lower yield.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at November 11, 2022 08:56 AM (y3pKJ)

351 'WILL NOT VOTE FOR ANYONE BUT TRUMP'

I don't understand this kind of thinking.

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Don't you? It's quite simple really, he didn't betray the voters, McConnell's gang did.

Posted by: President Select Decaf at November 11, 2022 08:57 AM (3JfbU)

352 "If you’re the establishment Republican Party, and you’re so effing good at all this stuff, then why [do] you pick candidates that even your own voters don’t support?”

He's my son! Yes, he's a smug, sanctimonious midwit with no work ethic, and he ran the magazine I built right straight into the ground, but what was I supposed to do?

Posted by: Irving Kristol at November 11, 2022 08:57 AM (FJYfm)

353 343. McSally was Doug Ducey's fault

Posted by: Jonah at November 11, 2022 08:57 AM (WY8d2)

354 The GOP doesn't do dick to capitalize on that and, instead, starts infighting and blaming Trump for everything and we all get our shit pushed in because of it.

We're not voting our way out of this.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 11, 2022 08:31 AM (Zz0t1)

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This is what I've been saying too! If we allow theRNC/DNC combine to make us blame Trump and not them for no "red wave" they remain in power. It was NOT Trumps fault that the RNC and DNC joined up to defeat any candidate that showed any inclination to throw sand in their mechanism. And blaming Trump, starting friction in maga, getting desantis out of the Florida government and getting Florida back to the corruption it was, all of these things are on the top of their list. Don't help them defeat us.

Posted by: Chillin the most at November 11, 2022 08:57 AM (0uQp2)

355 I hope Dave is right about AZ... The abortion mouse seems to be getting the latest votes....

Posted by: It's me donna at November 11, 2022 08:57 AM (bs+z0)

356 And yes, to all the veterans out there, and especially ones on this board, thank you for your service.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at November 11, 2022 08:57 AM (5pTK/)

357 unfortunately for Kari, she is gonna get a up close and personal
understanding why Trump is so pissed off about getting rooked in 2020
Posted by: REDACTED
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That's what it's looking like.

Nice touch, to use Veterans' Day to quit counting, and resume Monday.
In the meantime, the cheat continues.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at November 11, 2022 08:57 AM (8HfoY)

358 DeSantis is a hero and a Veteran. Trump is a hero that give us a 6-3 Supreme Court. They are both great

Posted by: Jonah at November 11, 2022 08:58 AM (WY8d2)

359 332 WILL NOT VOTE FOR ANYONE BUT TRUMP"

I don't understand this kind of thinking.
Posted by: grammie winger at November 11, 2022 08:40 AM (45fpk)
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Neither do I.

Posted by: redridinghood at November 11, 2022 08:54 AM (NpAcC)

They're not traditionally Republicans. Trump is a guy who sounds like them that they trust. They just don't think of politics in the way you do.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 11, 2022 08:58 AM (eYoxG)

360 People forget so quickly, how the GOP House was stellar in 2020, winning 12 seats.
Posted by: Jonah at November 11, 2022 08:51 AM (WY8d2)
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So we win the People's House. Appropriate.

Now, we need a Speaker who fits the role.

*Decides to watch Cromwell again for inspiration*

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 11, 2022 08:58 AM (aY/Sp)

361 Not a fucking peep from Shapiro all election season. Now he wants to destroy the energy sector.

He, like Emperor Wolf, is a meat puppet.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at November 11, 2022 08:58 AM (PWvcU)

362 Here's a nugget from the Boebert/Frisch race. Aside from overseas and absentee military votes yet to be counted there is a process called "curing" of ballots. This means that improperly submitted mail-in ballots with no signature (required), or photocopy of valid ID (required for first-time voters) are set aside in a separate pile and not counted until the voter is given a chance to correct the missing requirements. That deadline is next Wednesday.

What is the size of this stack? Perhaps a couple thousand. For example, there are 28 counties comprising the 3rd CD. The most populous of those is Pueblo County which as of yesterday reported over 600 waiting to be "cured". So the final counting will not be done for up to a week and then the race will almost certainly go to an automatic recount. Winner may not be declared for a few weeks.

Oh, and Pueblo still has not counted all the ballots they had in hand on Election Day. There may be as many as 10-15 thousand ballots still outstanding across the District.

Posted by: Muldoon at November 11, 2022 08:58 AM (kXYt5)

363 Do it like a man and take ownership of it. Trump at least is doing that openly. Cry havoc and let the dogs of politics fly now that DeSantis is reelected.
Posted by: whig at November 11, 2022 08:55 AM (CXr4y)

You are going to get what you wish for.

The fight is on. But Trumps shots fired are bad for the brand - and torpedoes can circle back.

For example part of Trumps broadside was about DeSantis choosing to open Florida during COVID. Part of the Trump/Kemp beef was that Kemp declared Georgia open and Trump called him stupid.

Posted by: blaster at November 11, 2022 08:59 AM (pwExq)

364 The first dump of Maricopa ballots was expected to break for Hobbs. Lake will win. But, Bender's rant about PA applies to AZ as well - idiots.

Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at November 11, 2022 08:59 AM (AaLDK)

365 BTW, ZeroHedge has joined the NeverTrumpers too.

Francois d'Ottawa 🇨🇦 @FrancoisdOttawa · 16h
Replying to @zerohedge
If people can't see that the GOPe set this loss up, I'm not going to waste my time with them. Millions pulled from winnable races for what? To try and elect Joe O'Dea and keep Murkowski in her seat?

I'm done. It was fun, but you're just repeating the narrative now. Unfollowed.
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World's best Good, Bad, Ugly parody GIF...
https://twitter.com/Gobblingtom13/status/
1590907211823583232

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at November 11, 2022 08:59 AM (yikp0)

366 WILL NOT VOTE FOR ANYONE BUT TRUMP"
I don't understand this kind of thinking.
Posted by: grammie winger at November 11, 2022 08:40 AM (45fpk)
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Neither do I.
Posted by: redridinghood at November 11, 2022 08:54 AM (NpAcC)
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I don't agree with it, but I sort of understand it. They feel that Trump is the only person/politician who did not betray them and they don't trust any other politicians (for good reasonb.) It's really not all that crazy if you think about it.

Posted by: IrishEi at November 11, 2022 08:59 AM (3ImbR)

367 Gen Z, boomers, x-ers, millennials-

I can't keep all the cohorts straight
to me, there's the generation that won WW2 and came home to jump-start America, followed by everything else

imo ymmv

Posted by: DB at November 11, 2022 08:59 AM (geLO8)

368 I will vote for Trump or DeSantis.

However, I do not expect the GOPe to give me that choice. The GOPe will encourage someone like Eyepatch McCain to run in 2024 and make sure they win the nomination.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at November 11, 2022 09:00 AM (5pTK/)

369
Oh, and Pueblo still has not counted all the ballots they had in hand on Election Day. There may be as many as 10-15 thousand ballots still outstanding across the District.
Posted by: Muldoon at November 11, 2022 08:58 AM (kXYt5)

The Iraqi elections after Hussein was hanged were more stable and reliable.

We're a fucking joke. Thanks, liberals. You suck.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 11, 2022 09:00 AM (Zz0t1)

370 Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 11, 2022 08:56 AM (vH/6k)
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My millennial daughters aren't the typical millennials either.
Fact is their cohorts, as well as your son's, are mostly idiots.

We took time with our kids to actually teach them things, not indoctrinate them.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at November 11, 2022 09:00 AM (8HfoY)

371
So, you're defense is incompetence against a charge of malfeasance. Clever!
Posted by: Count de Monet at November 11, 2022 08:51 AM (4I/2K)

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Forget it, Jake, it's Harris County

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 11, 2022 09:00 AM (MoZTd)

372
Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 11, 2022 08:54 AM

Don't hold back, tell us how you really feel.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at November 11, 2022 09:01 AM (y3pKJ)

373 Which will (further) fracture Gen Z, not the Millennials. The left will keep the Millennials.
Posted by: Joe Mannix
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Didn't happen in the Great Depression. Realignments cause party movement--if the Millennials lose their jobs, lose their house, etc. while the Dems are in charge, they will change their voting habits. Things like climate change that seem so important to them will fade like the morning dew. So, if we end up keeping electoral politics, voting habits will change to adjust to the new normal.

The West has reached the end of the debt road as essentially in history, once you go past about 100 percent GDP debt ratio, you don't come back from it. That leaves either formal default which will hit the US extremely hard as in fall of Sov. Union hard, or informal default by inflating the debt away which usually results in a collapse of about ten years on average. Carmines and Rogoff have an excellent book in This Time It's Different which goes through economic crises in different countries over the last 1000 years of so. The same cycles appear again and again.

Posted by: whig at November 11, 2022 09:01 AM (CXr4y)

374 The Iraqi elections after Hussein was hanged were more stable and reliable.
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We were there to ensure that would happen.

No armed troops here to ensure honest elections...not sure if that would help or hurt at this point.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at November 11, 2022 09:02 AM (8HfoY)

375 Oh, and Pueblo still has not counted all the ballots they had in hand on Election Day. There may be as many as 10-15 thousand ballots still outstanding across the District.
Posted by: Muldoon at November 11, 2022 08:58 AM (kXYt5)
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Amazing. This is my brothers district too Muldoon, its so frickin huge, and I bet the vote curing is being done by people who don't much like Lauren Boebert.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 11, 2022 09:02 AM (aY/Sp)

376 Construction Halted At Obama Presidential Center After Noose Found At Site
https://tinyurl.com/mwhchmcm
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Could be the biggest threat to our democracy since something something. Or something.
Shameful.

Posted by: Florida Peasant at November 11, 2022 09:03 AM (dr4Q1)

377 The Iraqi elections after Hussein was hanged were more stable and reliable. ...
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 11, 2022 09:00 AM (Zz0t1)
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Yup. The next time some American official goes to an international event and starts talking about "Democracy," I hope an official from some other country laughs in his face and then punches him in the mouth.

If that happens, I will buy $1,000 in sovereign bonds from that country.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 11, 2022 09:03 AM (t0OGg)

378 Happy Vet Day to my fellow GWOT vets.

If it wasn't for us, Halliburton, KBR, Raytheon, General Dynamics, etc, wouldn't be the companies they are today and the Cheneys would be in the poor house.
Posted by: SMH at what's coming at November 11, 2022 08:35 AM (8HfoY)

we always thought it should have been called the Theater War Against Terror, since it was more localized and we were fighting against it, not on top of it.

but then, i was just civilian support at that point so it didn't matter what we wanted...

Posted by: SturmToddler at November 11, 2022 09:03 AM (Mkvkw)

379

On a lighter note, I was playing with my dongle and accidentally downloaded!

Posted by: Ken Shabby at November 11, 2022 09:03 AM (91+c5)

380 Posted by: Florida Peasant at November 11, 2022 09:03 AM (dr4Q1)

LOL.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 11, 2022 09:03 AM (vH/6k)

381 I'm afraid we're past the point where hard times will make people re-evaluate their political choices. Instead, when they lose their jobs and their houses, they'll just say, "You know what we need? More government assistance."

Posted by: Wally at November 11, 2022 09:04 AM (FJYfm)

382 Damn, but I do appreciate Dave in Fla following the Arizona shenanigans so closely. You are giving us hope.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 11, 2022 09:05 AM (aY/Sp)

383 I'm in AZ and the bullshit about the GOPe picking "more electable candidates" is just that. Kari Lake and Blake Masters were very good candidates and worked incredibly hard. Martha McSally? McConnell's pick. Yet in the end, it was Trump that came here and campaigned for her in the State to try to save her. I get people not liking the guy, but we have a Senate Leader that spent money trying to defeat an actual conservative running against a closet Democrat in Alaska and it's all on Trump?

Posted by: Little Larry Sellers at November 11, 2022 09:05 AM (KouR0)

384 I hope Dave is right about AZ
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I'm probably going to just stop talking about AZ and answering questions, since no one wants to listen to what I am saying. I explained to everyone what would happen in Arizona a week ago. I've told everyone the exact counts of outstanding ballots and their source.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 11, 2022 09:05 AM (5p7BC)

385 re: sidebar

So isn't the tofurkey, soy milk, and faux meat even more 'processed' than the stuff mentioned?

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at November 11, 2022 09:05 AM (CwQXo)

386 cheating and lying has endless explainations

the Truth has, nor needs, any

Posted by: REDACTED at November 11, 2022 09:05 AM (us2H3)

387 >> Is the GOP grooming DeSantis to go up against Trump in an effort to sweep MAGA off the stage?

A guess?
The GOPe want to have us all focus on that fight because they don't like either of them and are rooting for injuries on both sides. "Here, Tea Party/MAGA/Angry parents fighting Lefty public schools -- chase those laser dots (Trumo and DeSantis) while we continue our do-nothing, DC insider grift failure theater over there! Say, looks like Ukraine needs more money, work harder while you're at it, huh, idiot hicks?!"

Posted by: Lizzy at November 11, 2022 09:05 AM (I/doM)

388 Didn't happen in the Great Depression. Realignments cause party movement--if the Millennials lose their jobs, lose their house, etc. while the Dems are in charge, they will change their voting habits. Things like climate change that seem so important to them will fade like the morning dew. So, if we end up keeping electoral politics, voting habits will change to adjust to the new normal. ...
Posted by: whig at November 11, 2022 09:01 AM (CXr4y)
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The Millennials are so devoted and ideological that when the pain comes - and it will, because you're not wrong on the economics - they would rather have total collapse and the hope of a new country under their creepy brand of totalitarianism than to change their minds.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 11, 2022 09:06 AM (t0OGg)

389 Lauren Boebert (i)
R
162,040 50.2%
Adam Frisch
D
160,918 49.8%

99% reporting

Posted by: DB at November 11, 2022 09:06 AM (geLO8)

390 368 I will vote for Trump or DeSantis.

However, I do not expect the GOPe to give me that choice. The GOPe will encourage someone like Eyepatch McCain to run in 2024 and make sure they win the nomination.
Posted by: blake
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GoPe has to either make a deal with DeSantis now or they will have to pick one of the few undamaged GOPe pols with national exposure to do what McCain did in 2008. I think he won something like 20-25 percent or so of the total primary vote but the other GOP candidates crashed and burned . It is a short list--Romney is probably too toxic, Cheney even more so, I think they would go to governors like Noem or Nikki or former VP Pence.

Posted by: whig at November 11, 2022 09:06 AM (CXr4y)

391 I don't agree with it, but I sort of understand it. They feel that Trump is the only person/politician who did not betray them and they don't trust any other politicians (for good reasonb.) It's really not all that crazy if you think about it.
Posted by: IrishEi

For example, Trump is the only candidate I can remember that really spent his own family money to campaign, Every other politician (of any party) has a campaign slush fund funded by the "right (as in correct) people" so they stay bought!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Next year in Corsicana - again! ~ at November 11, 2022 09:06 AM (hOUT3)

392 261 The Republicans taking the House (hopefully) is a major victory* because it will end Democrat spend-a-palooza budget reconciliation bills for the next two years. ...
Posted by: Gref at November 11, 2022 08:38 AM (AMIL/)
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This has never happened. Look for pork-laden CRs the flow like water. There will be another "debt ceiling showdown" with much noise and killer sound bites and probably a brief (3-7 days) "government shutdown" that will end with the debt ceiling being increased yet again after some back-room dealing that gives GOP leadership a bit of a beak-soaking

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 11, 2022 08:41 AM (t0OGg)

Pork-laden CRs will continue. What hopefully won't continue is up to two budget reconciliation bills per year, with billions and billions of dollars of climate change and other Democrat dream-list items, with fantasy "It's paid for!" schemes.

Posted by: Gref at November 11, 2022 09:06 AM (AMIL/)

393 @381 this bothers me about Bongino saying things just aren't bad enough to change peoples behavior.

I mean look at California. How bad does it have to get?

Not going to happen.

Posted by: blaster at November 11, 2022 09:06 AM (pwExq)

394 Pork-laden CRs will continue. What hopefully won't continue is up to two budget reconciliation bills per year, with billions and billions of dollars of climate change and other Democrat dream-list items, with fantasy "It's paid for!" schemes.
Posted by: Gref at November 11, 2022 09:06 AM (AMIL/)
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I wouldn't bet on it. If you're right, then cool - I'll eat the crow.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 11, 2022 09:07 AM (t0OGg)

395 >> Oh, and Pueblo still has not counted all the ballots they had in hand on Election Day. There may be as many as 10-15 thousand ballots still outstanding across the District.

Why?
It's Friday. Fire every last one of the people responsible for this.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 11, 2022 09:07 AM (I/doM)

396 So in 2020 it was fraud they used to steal the Presidency These mid-terms were kinda sorta fraud, maybe, maybe not, VBM, and what is Dave in Fla's other part of the theory? Meh, anyways with all that we still think we can win in 24' whether its Trump or DeSantis or both on the same ticket? I don't see this kinda sorta Red Wave as anything earth shattering politically considering the party in control of the executive traditionally takes a hit in either houses. The Democrats are still lawless and the GOPe is willing tank candidates and elections. If commenters point this out we're automatically assumed by other commenters as rolling over to die or advocating not voting. Some say they won't vote but not all of us. Dave in Fla politely labeled us DOOMSCROLLERS. That was a nice f'ing touch. Never mind what we see happening and thinking we might actually be screwed not because we're in some depressed state and/or trance of doom. What a shit show.

Posted by: JROD at November 11, 2022 09:07 AM (IlL6s)

397 "In other words, the models continue to express opinion, not science. To rely on any model for establishing climate policy is not only foolish, it is downright irresponsible."

Not One Climate Model Predicts Global Temperature; All Predict Too Much Warming

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They're not even nearly as reliable or predictive as political polls.

Posted by: ShainS -- The Humiliation is Part of the Kink at November 11, 2022 09:07 AM (K3TEc)

398 They try to titrate reality to an acceptable level of loss that avoids a definite victory.
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heh. Heh. Titrate.

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at November 11, 2022 09:07 AM (yikp0)

399 I'm probably going to just stop talking about AZ and answering questions, since no one wants to listen to what I am saying. I explained to everyone what would happen in Arizona a week ago. I've told everyone the exact counts of outstanding ballots and their source.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 11, 2022 09:05 AM (5p7BC)
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If I remember correctly, the Democrat leaning ballots have been counted, and, the ballots from rural areas, which always break heavily R have yet to be counted. And those ballots will probably break 60-40 R.

Also, vote counting takes time here in AZ, because mail in ballots are subjected to fairly close scrutiny.

Did I get it right?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at November 11, 2022 09:08 AM (5pTK/)

400 Posted by: SMH at what's coming at November 11, 2022 09:00 AM (8HfoY)

I'm glad to hear that your daughters are not typical. It would even be a bonus if the person posting the sign was a young woman-because then he could have a girl "friend" as opposed to a girlfriend, but I don't know that a girl would put up such a sign. I am glad and thankful to God that he has been going to the campus Christian prayer group. They don't seem to talk about politics so far, but I can't imagine they're all leftists.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 11, 2022 09:08 AM (vH/6k)

401 So isn't the tofurkey, soy milk, and faux meat even more 'processed' than the stuff mentioned?
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at November 11, 2022 09:05 AM (CwQXo)
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Yes. The "plant-based meat substitute" products and the various adjuncts are all chemistry lab experiments. They're as processed as it gets, so processed that they ride the edge of becoming synthetics.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 11, 2022 09:08 AM (t0OGg)

402 "Construction Halted At Obama Presidential Center After Noose Found At Site
https://tinyurl.com/mwhchmcm "

Followed of course by the construction company sending everybody for more DIE training and announcing zero tolerance for bad think.

Why do companies continue to fall for these BS hoaxes? It boggles the mind that these are grown-ups running them.

Posted by: Ripley at November 11, 2022 09:08 AM (MxEKc)

403 Forget it, Jake, it's Harris County
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 11, 2022 09:00 AM (MoZTd)
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How can anyone stand that pushy little dwarf, Hidalgo? Where's McMurtry's Blue Duck when you need him?

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 11, 2022 09:08 AM (aY/Sp)

404 I look forward to working with Fetterman's Neck Lump and see a long and prosperous relationship over the next 6 years.

Posted by: McConnell's Turkey Neck at November 11, 2022 09:08 AM (R/m4+)

405 First !!

Posted by: runner at November 11, 2022 09:09 AM (V13WU)

406 Bing had a pair of tan boots and dogtags, which would have been more appropriate for Memorial day.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at November 11, 2022 09:09 AM (44ww/)

407 The Millennials are so devoted and ideological that when the pain comes - and it will, because you're not wrong on the economics - they would rather have total collapse and the hope of a new country under their creepy brand of totalitarianism than to change their minds.
Posted by: Joe Mannix
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It is possible that a majority feel that way but by that time they will be too old to man the barricades and trying to do so through a coup will lose them everything in less than ten years. Revolution is a young person's game. Coups are an old person's game and last like Pinochet only if the economics are good. The political Millennials want communism on the cheap which simply doesn't work that way.

Posted by: whig at November 11, 2022 09:09 AM (CXr4y)

408 I don’t know what’s going on, but overnight many of the NeverTrump guys flipped to defending Trump and bashing DeSantis. Rick Wilson is currently trying to pick a fight with Christina Pushaw but she’s ignoring him.

Posted by: Ian S. at November 11, 2022 09:09 AM (zm+d5)

409 "The Florida Democratic Party has completely collapsed," Republican strategist Giancarlo Sopo wrote. "This wasn't just a wave or a tsunami. It was a red asteroid that hit them in Florida."

MSNBC claimed that Republicans like DeSantis dominated Florida because of ... gerrymandering

Posted by: SMOD at November 11, 2022 09:09 AM (RHGPo)

410 384 I hope Dave is right about AZ
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I'm probably going to just stop talking about AZ and answering questions, since no one wants to listen to what I am saying. I explained to everyone what would happen in Arizona a week ago. I've told everyone the exact counts of outstanding ballots and their source.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 11, 2022 09:05 AM (5p7BC)
*****
A lot of us are just really, really nervous.

Posted by: redridinghood at November 11, 2022 09:09 AM (NpAcC)

411 Yes. There was a Red Wave. Might I suggest a short read?

Posted by: Ring O' Fire at November 11, 2022 09:09 AM (J/pqx)

412 Thank you Grandpa (WWII Pacific, Korea, 20 years), Pappaw (WWII Europe- Patton's 3rd), Uncle Steve (Pacific, Korea, 25 years), Dad (Vietnam-stateside teacher), Uncle Rick (JAG.)

Army all- except for Uncle Rick who went Airforce, but he always has to be different.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at November 11, 2022 09:09 AM (CwQXo)

413 Our Precious Democracy™ - where every individual's vote is so precious that if you can't be bothered to cast your vote, we will cast it for you. And we will ensure that you vote for the proper candidate. And as an extra bonus, to protect your sacred vote we will ensure that each of your dead grandparents are still on the voter rolls and cast a vote for each of them. But wait, there's more. Fail to act now and we'll include your cousins who moved out of the state 5 years ago.

/International Harcester, Inc

Posted by: Muldoon at November 11, 2022 09:10 AM (kXYt5)

414 I'm probably going to just stop talking about AZ and answering questions, since no one wants to listen to what I am saying. I explained to everyone what would happen in Arizona a week ago. I've told everyone the exact counts of outstanding ballots and their source.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 11, 2022 09:05 AM (5p7BC)

I've been listening. And thank you for your analysis and insights. Hammer on!

Posted by: Count de Monet at November 11, 2022 09:10 AM (4I/2K)

415 408 I don’t know what’s going on, but overnight many of the NeverTrump guys flipped to defending Trump and bashing DeSantis. Rick Wilson is currently trying to pick a fight with Christina Pushaw but she’s ignoring him.
Posted by: Ian S. at November 11, 2022 09:09 AM (zm+d5)

Their handlers may have realize that their support acts as a negative endorsement.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 11, 2022 09:11 AM (eYoxG)

416 I'm probably going to just stop talking about AZ and answering questions, since no one wants to listen to what I am saying. I explained to everyone what would happen in Arizona a week ago. I've told everyone the exact counts of outstanding ballots and their source.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 11, 2022 09:05 AM (5p7BC)
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See my @382

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 11, 2022 09:11 AM (aY/Sp)

417 JROD - You are free to ignore me. Most do.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 11, 2022 09:11 AM (5p7BC)

418 For example part of Trumps broadside was about DeSantis choosing to open Florida during COVID. Part of the Trump/Kemp beef was that Kemp declared Georgia open and Trump called him stupid.
Posted by: blaster at November 11, 2022 08:59 AM (pwExq)

That's not so smart a strategy. Trump was cucked on Covid, badly. The clips of him hailing the vax as some miraculous deliverance from heaven won't play well. He must come to terms with the public health disaster of the vax.

Posted by: Ordinary American at November 11, 2022 09:11 AM (H8QX8)

419 A guess?
The GOPe want to have us all focus on that fight because they don't like either of them and are rooting for injuries on both sides.
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Why don't you and him fight?
-- the three Mc's

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at November 11, 2022 09:11 AM (yikp0)

420 Newbie here and the first post ever.
https://tinyurl.com/4pyezy39

Posted by: Ring O' Fire at November 11, 2022 09:11 AM (J/pqx)

421 417 JROD - You are free to ignore me. Most do.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 11, 2022 09:11 AM (5p7BC)

Did someone say something?

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at November 11, 2022 09:11 AM (CwQXo)

422 It is possible that a majority feel that way but by that time they will be too old to man the barricades and trying to do so through a coup will lose them everything in less than ten years. Revolution is a young person's game. Coups are an old person's game and last like Pinochet only if the economics are good. The political Millennials want communism on the cheap which simply doesn't work that way.
Posted by: whig at November 11, 2022 09:09 AM (CXr4y)
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Right, which is why it will be Gen Z or whatever the next one is (not that it is relevant at that point - the Millennials are the final gasp of "generation" structure that is because of the historical aberration of the War). Those guys are fractured, and where the fight will be. I don't disagree with your guess, but I do disagree that *anything* on this earth will make Millennials break ranks.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 11, 2022 09:12 AM (t0OGg)

423 >> "Construction Halted At Obama Presidential Center After Noose Found At Site

Ah, because Chicago is MAGA country?
Anyone see Jussie Smollet at the scene, or his two weight-lifting bro friends?

Posted by: Lizzy at November 11, 2022 09:12 AM (I/doM)

424 399 I'm probably going to just stop talking about AZ and answering questions, since no one wants to listen to what I am saying. I explained to everyone what would happen in Arizona a week ago. I've told everyone the exact counts of outstanding ballots and their source. Posted by: Dave in Fla
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Yes, you have. And, the dog is not barking which the Dems would assuredly do if they felt they would win in AZ governor's race. Masters may be a closer thing.

Posted by: whig at November 11, 2022 09:12 AM (CXr4y)

425 "The Florida Democratic Party has completely collapsed," Republican strategist Giancarlo Sopo wrote. "This wasn't just a wave or a tsunami. It was a red asteroid that hit them in Florida."

MSNBC claimed that Republicans like DeSantis dominated Florida because of ... gerrymandering
Posted by: SMOD at November 11, 2022 09:09 AM (RHGPo)

Make Red Chicxulub Great Again!

Posted by: Count de Monet at November 11, 2022 09:12 AM (4I/2K)

426 MSNBC claimed that Republicans like DeSantis dominated Florida because of ... gerrymandering
Posted by: SMOD at November 11, 2022 09:09 AM (RHGPo)
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It takes a real zen-master to gerrymander those state-wide elections

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 11, 2022 09:12 AM (aY/Sp)

427 Mastriano didn't run very many ads and in in the philly market he ran zero. He also didn't engage the media especially when negative stories came out on him. One was that he wore a civil war uniform of conferedate general in a picture from his time at the War College. Shapiro jumped on this in the press...but Mastriano offered no defense in the press where he could have made Shapiro look silly for the attack.
May he didn't have the support of the state RNC but he himself made little effort get his message out to the average voter. In my county Berks, Oz won (even though he didn't win the primary in the county) but Mastriono lost....one difference Oz ran ads and sent out mailers.

Posted by: malcolm at November 11, 2022 09:12 AM (b0chk)

428 26 million student loan forgiveness applications already on file. Let's just say at an average of $15k, that's a cool $40 billion. We're almost talking Zelensky money baby!
Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at November 11, 2022 08:54 AM (AaLDK)

once you factor in govt handling fees and such, 440 Billion sounds about right....

Posted by: SturmToddler at November 11, 2022 09:13 AM (Mkvkw)

429 416 I'm probably going to just stop talking about AZ and answering questions, since no one wants to listen to what I am saying.
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I've listened, and don't agree. It's not about numbers anymore. It's about their mortal fear and hatred of Lake. They will find a way to defeat her because it's an imperative.

Posted by: Ordinary American at November 11, 2022 09:13 AM (H8QX8)

430 ". . . it's astonishing how many of these YGLs completed the program well before the climax of their influence. For example, Putin graduated before he became president of Russia, Page and Brin before Google became a publicly traded company, and Gates and Merkel were in the program's inaugural year back in 1993."

Who Are the World Economic Forum's 'Young Global Leaders?' The Names May Surprise You.

I remember all the heartache from Dan Crenshaw worshippers -- when he was the celebrity conservative hero who could do no wrong -- when we started pointing out that he was part of the WEF Young Global Leaders. Lots of backlash from conservatives who supported him early on. Until he finally exposed himself as Eyepatch McCain.

Something to keep in mind regarding the hero-worship of DeSantis or any politician for that matter. No one has absolutely any idea how any politician will behave once they go to the DC swamp. People were rightly very skeptical of Trump in the beginning, but we do know now how he worked to fight the Deep State (and lost to the rigged and stolen election). But the track record of other 'conservative' politicians over the past 2 decades is not a good one.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at November 11, 2022 09:13 AM (Do5/p)

431 Posted by: Count de Monet at November 11, 2022 09:10 AM (4I/2K)

Well said, Count, and thanks again, Dave in Florida.

I would also think Kari Lake is not a quitter and will be very loud if she's feels that something is untoward.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 11, 2022 09:13 AM (vH/6k)

432 RE: Gen Z turnout

1) I don't concede that the 65% number is correct.
2) Even if correct, it's 65% OF HOW MANY?
2a) Are we supposed to believe that this notoriously fickle demographic turned out in record numbers, FOR JOE BIDEN?!

If you want to hear what the young'uns think about Biden, go to a college football game and wait for the chanting.

This is yet another bullshit narrative proffered by people who would rather grasp at straws than admit there was massive fraud.

Posted by: Matt_SE at November 11, 2022 09:13 AM (R1kS/)

433 Blake - There are also 290K heavy GOP votes in Maricopa that they won't count until this weekend.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 11, 2022 09:13 AM (5p7BC)

434 I see our troll is completely ignoring what happened in Florida.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at November 11, 2022 09:13 AM (5pTK/)

435 I don’t know what’s going on, but overnight many of the NeverTrump guys flipped to defending Trump and bashing DeSantis.

==

That is odd....what reasons did he give ?

Posted by: runner at November 11, 2022 09:13 AM (V13WU)

436 America rejected your fascism, your hatred your stupidity.

Posted by: More MAGA Cope at November 11, 2022 09:12 AM (osdvr)

Yup. That's me.

Posted by: grammie winger at November 11, 2022 09:13 AM (45fpk)

437 You're fine Dave, people are frustrated and there is no one more convenient to sharpen the knife of anger on than a friend.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at November 11, 2022 09:14 AM (CwQXo)

438 "This wasn't just a wave or a tsunami. It was a red asteroid that hit them in Florida."

Yes, the Sodom-class rock arrived as scheduled.

It was beautiful.

Posted by: CZ=FNG, Free Republic of Florida at November 11, 2022 09:14 AM (MkuC5)

439 Pork-laden CRs will continue. What hopefully won't continue is up to two budget reconciliation bills per year, with billions and billions of dollars of climate change and other Democrat dream-list items, with fantasy "It's paid for!" schemes.
Posted by: Gref at November 11, 2022 09:06 AM (AMIL/)

Oh come on man...
Oh wait, I seem to remember:

"There was nothing we could do!"
SOH Paul Ryan

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Next year in Corsicana - again! ~ at November 11, 2022 09:14 AM (hOUT3)

440 Lord Miles and Sargon's sidekick went to Afghanistan this year. The video is sobering but not gloomy.

It kind of congealed my own complicated thoughts about it, and especially from the other end army perspective.

Yeah the government fell apart, but the country didn't as far as I can tell.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at November 11, 2022 09:15 AM (44ww/)

441 They will find a way to defeat her because it's an imperative.
Posted by: Ordinary American
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Another reason for me to stop talking about it. We will see on Monday who was right.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 11, 2022 09:15 AM (5p7BC)

442 Yup. That's me.
Posted by: grammie winger at November 11, 2022 09:13 AM (45fpk)

So, grammie's uniform now has: eyepatch, peg leg, cutlass or sword cane, and I imagine one of those smart leather SS coats.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at November 11, 2022 09:15 AM (CwQXo)

443 Isn’t JROD the guy who used to post about his gigantic mansion with gold toilets, or was that another shit poster?

Posted by: Ian S. at November 11, 2022 09:15 AM (zm+d5)

444 asshole is back

Posted by: DB at November 11, 2022 09:15 AM (geLO8)

445 It is a short list--Romney is probably too toxic, Cheney even more so, I think they would go to governors like Noem or Nikki or former VP Pence.
Posted by: whig at November 11, 2022 09:06 AM (CXr4y)

The GOP has a fairly deep bench. The GOP e or otherwise doesn't HAVE to make a deal with DeSantis now or even later. Most of the GOPe doesn't really dig DeSantis now. He went up against Disney and said don't say gay (yeah I know) and he's against illegal immigration and he's banned transgender medical treatments for minors and he is for voting integrity. He is not Jeb Bush.

There are a number of Republican governors who can step up for the GOPe. Noem and Haley and Abbot and Hogan. Pompeo will likely run. I am not saying they are who the Horde would choose but it isn't like there is no one out there.

Posted by: blaster at November 11, 2022 09:15 AM (pwExq)

446 There are also 290K heavy GOP votes in Maricopa that they won't count until this weekend.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 11, 2022 09:13 AM (5p7BC)

They're in a fire proof, tamper proof 300 pound safe, amirite?

Posted by: Ziba at November 11, 2022 09:15 AM (4h9M3)

447 Oh, yeah. If remaining ballots in AZ were for the dems , they would be stretching this business out. They would have been counted 2 days ago. Not left to be counted last. They want to see if Nevada works out for them.

Posted by: runner at November 11, 2022 09:15 AM (V13WU)

448 Right, which is why it will be Gen Z or whatever the next one is (not that it is relevant at that point - the Millennials are the final gasp of "generation" structure that is because of the historical aberration of the War). Those guys are fractured, and where the fight will be. I don't disagree with your guess, but I do disagree that *anything* on this earth will make Millennials break ranks.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)
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Ideology tends to break down over material suffering because it gives no spiritual comfort to materialists. The whole point to materialism is enjoying stuff in this world. It is a nihilistic philosophy which loses its appeal and hold in bad times.

Higher power religion explicitly rejects materialism which makes it more resistant and often it flourishes when bad times in human events come. It offers hope which materialism cannot.

Posted by: whig at November 11, 2022 09:16 AM (CXr4y)

449 *they would not be...

Posted by: runner at November 11, 2022 09:16 AM (V13WU)

450 445 asshole is back
Posted by: DB at November 11, 2022 09:15 AM (geLO

Hey! I am on my break.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at November 11, 2022 09:16 AM (CwQXo)

451 Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 11, 2022 09:11 AM (5p7BC)

Sorry I seemed so needy... I do listen to you... It's just so nerve wracking

Posted by: It's me donna at November 11, 2022 09:16 AM (bs+z0)

452 I'm afraid we're past the point where hard times will make people re-evaluate their political choices. Instead, when they lose their jobs and their houses, they'll just say, "You know what we need? More government assistance."
Posted by: Wally at November 11, 2022 09:04 AM (FJYfm)

Correct. And it all will come from Obama's Stash.

Moochers and Looters.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 11, 2022 09:16 AM (R/m4+)

453 >>I don’t know what’s going on, but overnight many of the NeverTrump guys flipped to defending Trump and bashing DeSantis. Rick Wilson is currently trying to pick a fight with Christina Pushaw but she’s ignoring him.

We should all ignore them.
Why is it after every loss the GOPe/alleged conservative writers all aim their fire at Trump and us?

I appreciate both Trump and DeSantis, because both are fighters who have delivered on their promises. I'll take either of them over McConnell, McCarthy, dispatch/NRO/Lincoln Project, and the rest of that swampy crew.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 11, 2022 09:16 AM (I/doM)

454 So, grammie's uniform now has: eyepatch, peg leg, cutlass or sword cane, and I imagine one of those smart leather SS coats.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at November 11, 2022 09:15 AM (CwQXo)

Aren't I pretty.

Posted by: grammie winger at November 11, 2022 09:16 AM (45fpk)

455 444 Isn’t JROD the guy who used to post about his gigantic mansion with gold toilets, or was that another shit poster?
Posted by: Ian S. at November 11, 2022 09:15 AM (zm+d5)

THAT was a different guy.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at November 11, 2022 09:16 AM (CwQXo)

456
Why?
It's Friday. Fire every last one of the people responsible for this.
Posted by: Lizzy

*******

Pueblo County Clerk says it takes "twice as long" to count ballots because if was a two-page ballot (Front and back of one, front of a second) due to a an unusual amount of down ballot races (local) and multiple ballot initiatives.

Posted by: Muldoon at November 11, 2022 09:17 AM (kXYt5)

457 ... 2) Even if correct, it's 65% OF HOW MANY?
2a) Are we supposed to believe that this notoriously fickle demographic turned out in record numbers, FOR JOE BIDEN?! ...
Posted by: Matt_SE at November 11, 2022 09:13 AM (R1kS/)
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Your question #2 is the same as mine. In my experience, Gen-Z is pretty fractured and extremely based. Unlike the Millennials, they are not uniformly on the left, but their non-leftists are also not conservatives. They're rabidly anticommunist (for lack of a better comparison given the weird new lefty totalitarianism), but they aren't republicans (small "r" deliberate there). The "right-wing" of Gen-Z is more likely to turn out for someone looking to institute monarchy than some GOPe lightweight.

This election had something for the lefty Zoomers. It didn't have a damn thing (outside of some exceptions) for the rest of them.

So your question is mine: 65% of what? What was Zoomer turnout?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 11, 2022 09:17 AM (t0OGg)

458 @417 Dave in Fla-Remember you hung the label on me and claimed I had said there'd be no Red Wave? You should actually read MY comments as I said no such thing. FFS I thought that there would be a Red Wave too and didn't expect really any fraud. Maybe 2-3 races stolen.

I don't ignore fellow commenters here no matter who they are that make baseless claims about me. If you're going to accuse someone of something you need to back it up and allow that person to defend themselves since we're supposedly on the same side.

Posted by: JROD at November 11, 2022 09:17 AM (IlL6s)

459 Mastriono lost....one difference Oz ran ads and sent out mailers.
Posted by: malcolm
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Mastriano had no money. The Republican Gov Assoc abandoned him early, and no one stepped up to fund him.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 11, 2022 09:17 AM (5p7BC)

460 America rejected your fascism, your hatred your stupidity.

==

Yup. That's me.
Posted by: grammie winger at November 11, 2022 09:13 AM (45fpk)

Fascism... I think they/them meant JJ...

Posted by: runner at November 11, 2022 09:17 AM (V13WU)

461 Why is it after every loss the GOPe/alleged conservative writers all aim their fire at Trump and us?

Posted by: Lizzy at November 11, 2022 09:16 AM (I/doM)

Because as Trump would say, he's in the way.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 11, 2022 09:18 AM (eYoxG)

462 Pork-laden CRs will continue. What hopefully won't continue is up to two budget reconciliation bills per year, with billions and billions of dollars of climate change and other Democrat dream-list items, with fantasy "It's paid for!" schemes.
Posted by: Gref at November 11, 2022 09:06 AM (AMIL/)

Oh come on man...
Oh wait, I seem to remember:

"There was nothing we could do!"
SOH Paul Ryan
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Next year in Corsicana - again! ~ at November 11, 2022 09:14 AM (hOUT3)

Barkeep! Another round for my frenz, doubles if you please! *hic*

Posted by: John Boehner at November 11, 2022 09:18 AM (4I/2K)

463
I can only shake my head at the 55,000 Philly peeps who voted for Trump in 2020 and couldn't be bothered to vote for Oz in 2022. I guess things are always sunny in Philadelphia.

Regardless, Philly to me is still a 'No Go' zone. Especially now that they're exporting crime to the 'burbs.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at November 11, 2022 09:18 AM (y3pKJ)

464 408 I don’t know what’s going on, but overnight many of the NeverTrump guys flipped to defending Trump and bashing DeSantis. Rick Wilson is currently trying to pick a fight with Christina Pushaw but she’s ignoring him.
Posted by: Ian S. at November 11, 2022 09:09 AM (zm+d5)

Their handlers may have realize that their support acts as a negative endorsement.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 11, 2022 09:11 AM (eYoxG)

The NeverTrumpers are the George Costanzas of politics. Everything they've ever done or said was wrong. They should just do or say the exact opposite of whatever they're thinking of doing or saying.

Posted by: Wally at November 11, 2022 09:18 AM (FJYfm)

465 JROD - You are free to ignore me. Most do.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 11, 2022 09:11 AM (5p7BC)

Did someone say something?
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at November 11, 2022 09:11 AM (CwQXo)

huh??

Posted by: SturmToddler at November 11, 2022 09:18 AM (Mkvkw)

466 Morning again, all,

Not only did President Trump win 219 of his 235 endorsed races (that’s a 93 percent success rate at last count), but the Democrats just guaranteed themselves Joe Biden as their nominee for 2024.

In their zeal to create a “no red wave” narrative, they gave Beijing Joe credit for the disjointed, apoplectic, panicked messaging of abortion and the death of democracy. They have backed themselves into a Biden 2024 corner that is going to be long, arduous, and ultimately, defeated.

Why are the pundits so certain of this (presuming, of course, Mushbrain is still alive and can be propped up to speak)?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at November 11, 2022 09:18 AM (J2vNu)

467 For example, Trump is the only candidate I can remember that really spent his own family money to campaign

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Next year in Corsicana - again! ~ at November 11, 2022 09:06 AM (hOUT3)

He may have started with some of his own money, but his campaigns were financed by donations.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 11, 2022 09:18 AM (XIJ/X)

468 444 asshole is back
Posted by: DB at November 11, 2022 09:15 AM (geLO

*looks back at the board*

Could you be more specific please?

Posted by: tryhardneckbeard at November 11, 2022 09:19 AM (OLVeZ)

469 @444 IanS.-Go fuck yourself as I have done no such thing.

Posted by: JROD at November 11, 2022 09:19 AM (IlL6s)

470 I think they would go to governors like Noem or Nikki or former VP Pence.
Posted by: whig at November 11, 2022 09:06 AM (CXr4y)

Hold on a sec, I need to lay out a tarp so we can keep all the blood of the rug...

Posted by: CZ=FNG, Free Republic of Florida at November 11, 2022 09:19 AM (MkuC5)

471 Higher power religion explicitly rejects materialism which makes it more resistant and often it flourishes when bad times in human events come. It offers hope which materialism cannot.
Posted by: whig at November 11, 2022 09:16 AM (CXr4y)
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Yup. And a religious revival/Great Awakening sort of thing might change my assumptions. But I still don't see very many Millennials going for it. They'd rather suffer and die than change sides. Or maybe I'm just to close to it.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 11, 2022 09:19 AM (t0OGg)

472 The residents around Chicago's Jackson Park didn't want Obama's "library" here.

Now, all it takes to stop it is a noose. Why go to court, when there are other simple means

Construction Halted at Obama’s Presidential Library After Noose Found on Site

Posted by: SMOD at November 11, 2022 09:19 AM (RHGPo)

473 [From Dave in Fla @44:] Also, Trump did cost us some elections, especially in PA, because there is a core of Trump voters who WILL NOT VOTE FOR ANYONE BUT TRUMP.

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There is likely some truth to this, perhaps coupled with it being less enthusiasm to vote in a midterm (crazy as the country crumbles around you).

In our AZ county, over 80% of registered R's voted in 2016 & 2020. But in midterms like 2018 & 2022, we only got 70% to turn out -- and had they, Lake & Masters and the others wouldn't be so close.

Posted by: ShainS -- The Humiliation is Part of the Kink at November 11, 2022 09:19 AM (K3TEc)

474 MJ - How many votes are sitting uncounted in Maricopa? When and how were those votes cast?

I told you yesterday, you are doing your math based on incorrect numbers. The SOS site is not telling you how many ballots remain uncounted in that report you are looking at.

There is a monster tranche of ballots that are heavily GOP that won't be counted until this weekend.

If Hobbs had the votes, Fox would have called the race.
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I get what you're saying, but how do you know the outstanding votes are R leaning?

There are 220k votes outstanding. In order to tie the county overall that gives lake +54k votes from the 220k.

Her deficit is 27k, so she ends up ahead by 27k votes?

Is this your math?

Posted by: MJ at November 11, 2022 09:19 AM (zwDuR)

475 JROD - to my knowledge I did not call you a doomscroller. I was talking about doomscrolling but it wasn't directed at you. But if I did offend you, I apologize.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 11, 2022 09:19 AM (5p7BC)

476 Moo-Moo -- millionaire. I own a mansion and a yacht.

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at November 11, 2022 09:20 AM (yikp0)

477 There are a number of Republican governors who can step up for the GOPe. Noem and Haley and Abbot and Hogan. Pompeo will likely run. I am not saying they are who the Horde would choose but it isn't like there is no one out there.
Posted by: blaster
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Pompeo is running for VP. Hogan? Really? Might as well pick Charley Baker of MA. Noem and Haley are the most likely running for VP but Abbot is an intriguing mention as a stealth GOPe candidate. It's possible and Abbot has a longer track record than even DeSantis at winning elections by big margins. Interesting point blaster. I would also throw Youngkin into the batch because essentially he is done after one term in VA as isn't the VA governorship term limited to one four year term.

Posted by: whig at November 11, 2022 09:20 AM (CXr4y)

478 somebody tell they/them that Republicans got majority of the popular vote...apparently majority of America likes us

Posted by: runner at November 11, 2022 09:20 AM (V13WU)

479 The article JJ linked doesn't say where exactly (and how deep) the Challenger section was found, but the lord bless those folks for recovering the section.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 11, 2022 09:20 AM (aY/Sp)

480 *contented sigh*

Fire is crackling. We have already seen the high temperature for the day. You couldn't blast me out of this house.

Posted by: creeper at November 11, 2022 09:20 AM (cTCuP)

481 444 asshole is back
Posted by: DB at November 11, 2022 09:15 AM (geLO

This is AoS , you need to be more specific!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Next year in Corsicana - again! ~ at November 11, 2022 09:20 AM (hOUT3)

482 Posted by: Dave in Fla

Please keep hammering away.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 11, 2022 09:20 AM (OvB8Q)

483 Blake - There are also 290K heavy GOP votes in Maricopa that they won't count until this weekend.
Posted by: Dave in Fla
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I pray you're right, Dave. I really do.
I will be very happy if she wins.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at November 11, 2022 09:21 AM (8HfoY)

484 asshole is back
Posted by: DB

This is AoS , you need to be more specific!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar

I'm standing right here!

Posted by: rickb223 at November 11, 2022 09:21 AM (OvB8Q)

485 isn't the VA governorship term limited to one four year term.
Posted by: whig at November 11, 2022 09:20 AM (CXr4y)

Yes it is. One and done!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Next year in Corsicana - again! ~ at November 11, 2022 09:21 AM (hOUT3)

486 Regarding my #431. . . I am not against Ron DeSantis, but I am extremely wary of the hero-worship of him as THE savior when no one has any idea how he would be once he goes to the DC swamp. He was part of the Freedom Caucus when he was a Congressman, which is a good sign. But being a 1 vote of 535 Congressman is one thing (no one heard of him and he needed Trump's help to win Governor race in 201

, taking on the entire DC Swamp is quite another. We found that out with Trump's failure to defeat them.

Personally, I think the main thing that Ron DeSantis has in his favor over President Trump is he may be able to get people to do what he orders. Whereas we know the entire DC establishment worked against President Trump for 4 years. Then again, if DeSantis brings America-first policies with him, the DC establishment may give him the same treatment they gave President Trump.

And when that happens, will DeSantis have enough people on his side to take on the Deep State? Only one way to find out obviously, but anyone thinking it is a given that DeSantis -- or anyone -- could accomplish more against the Deep State, WEF and China-controlled DC establishment is just guessing.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at November 11, 2022 09:21 AM (Do5/p)

487 A gold plated toilet would be far more sanitary. Gold has antimicrobial properties and is far less porous.

Gold leaf might be more affordable and offer the same benefits.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at November 11, 2022 09:21 AM (UuD2k)

488 Posted by: More MAGA Cope at November 11, 2022 09:12 AM (osdvr)

Hey sweetie, honeybun cupcake, my tits are where they've always been and they aren't agitated. at all. I am a convert to conservatism because I read a lot, and. Also, I "put not my trust in princes" (ie leaders and politicians)and you are so bad at this ((actually thinking you're making us feel bad) that I begin to wonder if you might be actually be a conservative having us on, because most normal people don't go on websites of opposing political views to troll them. Unless you're being paid. LOL. What a way to make a living.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 11, 2022 09:21 AM (vH/6k)

489 Now, all it takes to stop it is a noose. Why go to court, when there are other simple means

Construction Halted at Obama’s Presidential Library After Noose Found on Site
Posted by: SMOD at November 11, 2022 09:19 AM (RHGPo)
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Suddenly, nooses are a thing on the southside.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 11, 2022 09:22 AM (aY/Sp)

490 Doomscroller would be a cool nic.

More coffee...

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 11, 2022 09:22 AM (R/m4+)

491 Posted by: More MAGA Cope at November 11, 2022 09:12 AM (osdvr)

you know, this actually gives me MORE hope about AZ. if lake wasn't going to win, the lefty trolls wouldn't be gloating so much, OR attempting to prove that we're going to lose the house, which i THINK we've already secured, and the senate which is still likely to break our way.

so, troll on you worthless remnant at the bottom of a cum sock...

Posted by: SturmToddler at November 11, 2022 09:22 AM (Mkvkw)

492 Moo-Moo -- millionaire. I own a mansion and a yacht.
Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at November 11, 2022 09:20 AM (yikp0)
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It's hilarious and a woefully out-of-date playbook. Conservatives in general have noticed that way too many rich folks got there through fraud and go on to finance utopian fantasies that blow up the world.

The notion that conservatives reflexively respect and admire wealthy people as such is a seriously old one and hasn't been relevant in quite some time.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 11, 2022 09:22 AM (t0OGg)

493 @475 Dave in Fla-Thank You. I also said no such thing about the Red Wave you claimed I said either.

Posted by: JROD at November 11, 2022 09:22 AM (IlL6s)

494 Fire is crackling. We have already seen the high temperature for the day. You couldn't blast me out of this house.
Posted by: creeper
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45 is the high now...dropping into the mid 20s tonight.

Looks like I'll have to turn the heat on.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at November 11, 2022 09:22 AM (8HfoY)

495
If you say you're not voting Republican any more, some people will say you're blackpilled or a doomer or whatever. Comes with the territory.

But as I always say - I don't see it that way. Refusal to vote for these people is the opposite, from my standpoint.

I think this country is definitely doomed - if the GOP is the alternative to the Democrats. For us to live, they must die. And the journey of a thousand steps starts with the base #WalkingAway.

It's the only way I can see forward, and I view the demise of that Party in a very optimistic, hopeful way.

YMMV.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 11, 2022 09:23 AM (oINRc)

496 Okay, so WHY is King Harv holding up coffee bags to a bay full of sharks?

Posted by: Bob from NSA at November 11, 2022 09:23 AM (906pl)

497 Lives in a mansion and gold toilets.........you gotta be f'ing kidding me?

Posted by: JROD at November 11, 2022 09:23 AM (IlL6s)

498 "In other words, the models continue to express opinion, not science. To rely on any model for establishing climate policy is not only foolish, it is downright irresponsible."

Not One Climate Model Predicts Global Temperature; All Predict Too Much Warming
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Twelve hours before our latest hurricane, predicted landfall was anywhere from West Palm Beach to Melbourne.
But they can predict the earth's temperature 50 years from now??
Amazing how 'Science' works.

Posted by: Florida Peasant at November 11, 2022 09:24 AM (dr4Q1)

499 Indian Summer is over where I am. Cold front blowing through tonight into tomorrow that will drop average temperatures by 20 degrees.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 11, 2022 09:24 AM (t0OGg)

500 Doomscroller.

I like that.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at November 11, 2022 09:24 AM (8HfoY)

501 >*looks back at the board*

Could you be more specific please?

Posted by: tryhardneckbeard

a particularly persistent troll

Posted by: DB at November 11, 2022 09:24 AM (geLO8)

502 Midterms are always lower turnout than presidential years, and 2020 is a big outlier as it was heavily fortified.

I don't think we can chalk the delta for 2022 up to solely people who will only vote for Trump though no doubt there are some.

Posted by: blaster at November 11, 2022 09:25 AM (pwExq)

503 486 Regarding my #431. . . I am not against Ron DeSantis, but I am extremely wary of the hero-worship of him as THE savior when no one has any idea how he would be once he goes to the DC swamp. He was part of the Freedom Caucus when he was a Congressman, which is a good sign. But being a 1 vote of 535 Congressman is one thing (no one heard of him and he needed Trump's help to win Governor race in 201, taking on the entire DC Swamp is quite another. We found that out with Trump's failure to defeat them.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at November 11, 2022 09:21 AM (Do5/p)

What bills did he sponsor while in the legislature anyways?

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 11, 2022 09:25 AM (eYoxG)

504 Okay, so WHY is King Harv holding up coffee bags to a bay full of sharks?
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Because first you get the coffee, then you get the sharks, then you get the women.

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at November 11, 2022 09:25 AM (yikp0)

505 JROD - I honestly do not recall saying you said something about the red wave, but this has been a very high stress month and I can't recall everything I have said. So if I did, again I apologize.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 11, 2022 09:25 AM (5p7BC)

506
Moo Moo is also Lurking Lurker, and Joe XiDen. Last iteration, he did dial back on the "I have eleventy gorillion ducats" tactic, though.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 11, 2022 09:25 AM (oINRc)

507 Local pawn shop had one of those metal shitters you see in jail so the inmates can't break them up or make buck or pruno in them.

Someone bought it.

More coffee...

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 11, 2022 09:26 AM (R/m4+)

508 "Is this your math?"

It is expected that over 60% of the remaining votes are for Lake. That means 132k of the 220k are for Lake, and 88k are for Dimwit. 132k - 88k = 44k of catching up (and surpassing).

I'm not sure the exact numbers they're using, but you get the idea.

Posted by: Optimizer at November 11, 2022 09:26 AM (hOOi9)

509 But they can predict the earth's temperature 50 years from now??
Amazing how 'Science' works.

Posted by: Florida Peasant

Tell me the answer you want from the models and I will tell you the price!

Posted by: "Science" Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Next year in Corsicana - again! ~ at November 11, 2022 09:26 AM (hOUT3)

510 There is no hero worship of RDS, people are just stating facts about him. He did win, he does appeal to hispanics, he did keep FL free under enormous pressures - remember when Biden forbid some life saving medial stock to be sent to Fl, so RDS went around and purchased from abroad or something (somebody has the details , I am sure) , told off a billion dollar behemoth with enormous pull to fk off, and continues to have a budget SURPLUS, free schools, etc., etc.

Posted by: runner at November 11, 2022 09:26 AM (V13WU)

511 Doomscroller would be a cool nic.

More coffee...
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 11, 2022

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Gee, I should have named my black cat "Doomscroller."

It sounds like one of the 12 sword names in Saberhagen's Books of Swords, too.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at November 11, 2022 09:26 AM (J2vNu)

512 Check out this toilet:

https://tinyurl.com/msc8z3vx

It's a work of art. I'd proudly drop a duce in that.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at November 11, 2022 09:26 AM (UuD2k)

513 496 Okay, so WHY is King Harv holding up coffee bags to a bay full of sharks?
Posted by: Bob from NSA at November 11, 2022 09:23 AM (906pl)

Those are sea otters, sir.

Posted by: CZ=FNG, Free Republic of Florida at November 11, 2022 09:26 AM (MkuC5)

514 Okay, so WHY is King Harv holding up coffee bags to a bay full of sharks?
Posted by: Bob from NSA at November 11, 2022 09:23 AM (906pl)
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Probably because it's incongruous and funny.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 11, 2022 09:26 AM (t0OGg)

515 Moo Moo is also Lurking Lurker, and Joe XiDen. Last iteration, he did dial back on the "I have eleventy gorillion ducats" tactic, though.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice
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Yeah, but the EV schtick was getting old.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at November 11, 2022 09:26 AM (8HfoY)

516 @505 Dave in Fla-Understandable. I'll STFU about it. It's squashed.

Posted by: JROD at November 11, 2022 09:26 AM (IlL6s)

517 We're at around 30 degrees right now, I wanted to do a little building maintenance outside when it was so nice the last few days but the 30+ mph winds put a dampener on that. Now it's below freezing, and we still have 30 mph winds.

Posted by: lowandslow at November 11, 2022 09:27 AM (qH6FZ)

518 somebody tell they/them that Republicans got majority of the popular vote...apparently majority of America likes us
Posted by: runner at November 11, 2022 09:20 AM (V13WU)

This might be the story of the midterms. Vote totals came out very near the "R+6" we kept hearing in the days leading up to the election. But incumbents in both parties have gotten so good at gerrymandering their districts that you really can't do much to change the Congressional makeup. You can just add another Red vote to an already Red district.

Posted by: Wally at November 11, 2022 09:27 AM (FJYfm)

519 wait- all those asswipes are the same troll?

Posted by: DB at November 11, 2022 09:28 AM (geLO8)

520 I would also throw Youngkin into the batch because essentially he is done after one term in VA as isn't the VA governorship term limited to one four year term.
Posted by: whig at November 11, 2022 09:20 AM (CXr4y)

One term at a time - so you have to take a term off before you can run again for governor.

So, almost no one does.

You can be LTG and AG for a LONG time in a row...it's just the Gov that has to always rotate...

Posted by: Nova local at November 11, 2022 09:28 AM (exHjb)

521 KFC Germany has gone full Democrat.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 11, 2022 09:28 AM (uCRv7)

522 Almost art time, I hope we get boobs again.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 11, 2022 09:28 AM (5p7BC)

523 Indian Summer is over where I am. Cold front blowing through tonight into tomorrow that will drop average temperatures by 20 degrees.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 11, 2022

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Here, no summer of any tribal or national origin is ever "over." But a real cold front (cold for Da Swamp, where the natives think 65 is chilly) is supposed to move through on Saturday afternoon.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at November 11, 2022 09:28 AM (J2vNu)

524 Check out this toilet:

https://tinyurl.com/msc8z3vx

It's a work of art. I'd proudly drop a duce in that.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at November 11, 2022 09:26 AM (UuD2k)
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That is absolutely hideous. I imagine it in the private bathroom of a wealthy older lady who wishes, deep down inside, that she was an industrialist's wife in gilded age high society instead of a stock broker's wife who has to make do with a membership at the country club.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 11, 2022 09:28 AM (t0OGg)

525
wait- all those asswipes are the same troll?
Posted by: DB at November 11, 2022 09:28 AM (geLO8

Yes. Once you notice it, his pattern of trolling becomes pretty glaring.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 11, 2022 09:29 AM (oINRc)

526 If Trump wants to continue his mini war , sink further and further into that madness he can. There will be percentage that will still stick with him regardless of logic, data. Question is , how important will that percentage be in 2024?

Posted by: runner at November 11, 2022 09:29 AM (V13WU)

527 "Lives in a mansion and gold toilets.........you gotta be f'ing kidding me?"

i kid tou not.

Posted by: jabba the pritzker at November 11, 2022 09:29 AM (1DgE4)

528 443 Isn’t JROD the guy who used to post about his gigantic mansion with gold toilets, or was that another shit poster?
Posted by: Ian S.
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Nope, JROD is consistent that we are beyond voting our way out of this mess. I tend to agree with him as I see voting now as simply trying to fill local and state offices with capable people if and when a national crackup of some sort happens.

There is a systemic problem through the West where 70 percent or so of the people are suffering real declines in their living standards, safety, and health while about 30 percent or so of the cloud people simply float above it all and are callously oblivious of those below them. No society so constituted can last that long--either the 70 percent will find a tyrant to beat the 30 percent into submission (usually ends up poorly btw), systematic world wars happen where the masses are suddenly needed to make things, or you get breakups into smaller more homogeneous societies.

Posted by: whig at November 11, 2022 09:29 AM (CXr4y)

529
It's a work of art. I'd proudly drop a duce in that.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at November 11, 2022 09:26 AM (UuD2k)

omg lol

I bet it's all electric.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 11, 2022 09:30 AM (oINRc)

530 Doomscroller.

I like that.
Posted by: SMH

Yo SMH!
Doomscroller has a nice ring to it!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Next year in Corsicana - again! ~ [ at November 11, 2022 09:30 AM (hOUT3)

531 Speaking of Youngkin, he is working with Repubs (and some Dems) to introduce a 15 week abortion ban (with exceptions) in VA. Right now, we're at 24 weeks and we can go full term with 3 doc sigs, so he is trying to push the state rightward on the issue, even without holding the legislature next year. If nothing else, as an election year, this is pretty damn smart to push the pro-life movement out for Repubs in 2023 midterms (if it fails, Dems are extreme...if it passes, Repubs are thankful)...

Posted by: Nova local at November 11, 2022 09:30 AM (exHjb)

532 One of the benefits of electing governors to the Presidency is that they have prebuilt teams to come work for them.

This was a hindrance for Trump. Maybe not having a team ready seemed like an advantage but in hindsight staffing was one of his biggest weaknesses.

DeSantis already has a good comms team and legislative connections and public health guy and disaster response guy and business development etc.

Am I making an argument for politicians in politics? Yeah, kinda. But I have been on about electing governors for a while.

Posted by: blaster at November 11, 2022 09:30 AM (pwExq)

533 Sign of the times:

https://tinyurl.com/2p96sr5n

Toilet paper holders are now coming with a place to put your phone.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at November 11, 2022 09:30 AM (Y5qcH)

534
I did VBM in 2020 and in person Tuesday. VBM takes mere minutes. In person took more than an hour. No excuse Pennsylvania. With Gov. Shapiro (D) VBM is not gonna go away.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at November 11, 2022 09:30 AM (y3pKJ)

535 Pretty sure More MAGA cope and DB are Moo-moo too.

Posted by: JROD at November 11, 2022 09:31 AM (IlL6s)

536 526 If Trump wants to continue his mini war , sink further and further into that madness he can. There will be percentage that will still stick with him regardless of logic, data. Question is , how important will that percentage be in 2024?
Posted by: runner at November 11, 2022 09:29 AM (V13WU)

The percentage you'd want to be worrying about are those who aren't even paying attention to it. The ones who only show up when Trump is on the ballot. They're not highly engaged in politics. The window to get their attention and try to win their support is narrow.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 11, 2022 09:31 AM (eYoxG)

537 Nope, JROD is consistent that we are beyond voting our way out of this mess. I tend to agree with him as I see voting now as simply trying to fill local and state offices with capable people if and when a national crackup of some sort happens. ...
Posted by: whig at November 11, 2022 09:29 AM (CXr4y)
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Yup. This is where I am, and I've been fairly consistent on it. I don't really care about federal elections. The federal government is unfixable. Trying to get shit right at home so that whenever whatever happens finally happens, there's a better shot of surviving in the post-whatever world.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 11, 2022 09:31 AM (t0OGg)

538 There are also 290K heavy GOP votes in Maricopa that they won't count until this weekend.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 11, 2022 09:13 AM (5p7BC)

They're in a fire proof, tamper proof 300 pound safe, amirite?
Posted by: Ziba at November 11, 2022 09:15 AM (4h9M3)

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Katie Hobbs has hired Mexican Cartel MS-13 members to guard them.

/

Posted by: ShainS -- The Humiliation is Part of the Kink at November 11, 2022 09:31 AM (K3TEc)

539 NOODlum.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 11, 2022 09:31 AM (Zz0t1)

540 Art b up !

Posted by: JT at November 11, 2022 09:32 AM (T4tVD)

541
The Bay City Doomscrollers . . .

"M-O-R-N-I / N-I-N-G-REPORT

FIGHT!!!"

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 11, 2022 09:32 AM (x0n13)

542 My first apartment had a black toilet in it. Just as well at that age, I didn't want to know if I was puking or crapping blood.

Posted by: lowandslow at November 11, 2022 09:32 AM (qH6FZ)

543 Speaking of Youngkin, he is working with Repubs (and some Dems) to introduce a 15 week abortion ban (with exceptions) in VA. Right now, we're at 24 weeks and we can go full term with 3 doc sigs, so he is trying to push the state rightward on the issue, even without holding the legislature next year. If nothing else, as an election year, this is pretty damn smart to push the pro-life movement out for Repubs in 2023 midterms (if it fails, Dems are extreme...if it passes, Repubs are thankful)...
Posted by: Nova local at November 11, 2022 09:30 AM (exHjb)

I'm pretty happy with Youngkin. he seems to be doing good things quietly, which is what's needed here due to NoVA...

I wonder what happens with him after this term.

Posted by: SturmToddler at November 11, 2022 09:33 AM (Mkvkw)

544 Yup. This is where I am, and I've been fairly consistent on it. I don't really care about federal elections. The federal government is unfixable. Trying to get shit right at home so that whenever whatever happens finally happens, there's a better shot of surviving in the post-whatever world.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 11, 2022 09:31 AM (t0OGg)

I'm in a similar spot. We're not sticking Trump in a governorship, we badly do want to have the people who he got to vote for him in the R coalition, so why would we run someone else for President?

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 11, 2022 09:33 AM (eYoxG)

545
Anyway, Thanks Dave in Fl for your insights.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at November 11, 2022 09:33 AM (y3pKJ)

546 Russian President Vladimir Putin’s former KGB mentor and one-time crony, who later became an outspoken critic, has died from an unexplained “serious illness,” officials said. Viktor Cherkesov, 72, died in St. Petersburg Tuesday night, according to a Telegram post by Alexander Khinstein, chairman of the State Duma Committee on Information Policy.

Posted by: SMOD at November 11, 2022 09:33 AM (RHGPo)

547 >Pretty sure More MAGA cope and DB are Moo-moo too.

Posted by: JROD

no, I'm not. Don't know how you came to that conclusion.

Posted by: DB at November 11, 2022 09:33 AM (geLO8)

548 45 is the high now...dropping into the mid 20s tonight.

Looks like I'll have to turn the heat on.
Posted by: SMH at what's coming at November 11, 2022 09:22 AM (8HfoY)

Wish you were here.

Posted by: creeper at November 11, 2022 09:33 AM (cTCuP)

549 516 Moo Moo is also Lurking Lurker, and Joe XiDen. Last iteration, he did dial back on the "I have eleventy gorillion ducats" tactic, though.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice
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Yeah, but the EV schtick was getting old.
Posted by: SMH
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I found pretty much all of his various posts as useless. I don't think he contributed much other than dissension and being contrary just for the sake of being contrary. His poll turd posts were particularly annoying.

Either he is a paid/ideological troll or someone with mental issues but I don't think AOS is where he needs to go for therapy because he refuses to repent and sin no more. Just the same tiresome pattern now for over three election cycles. He needs to be permanently flushed.

Posted by: whig at November 11, 2022 09:34 AM (CXr4y)

550 @528 whig-Are you out of your f'ing mind saying you agree with me? You are well respected around here don't start jeopardizing that now.

LOL, I started lurking in 2005 and started commenting in 2010.

Posted by: JROD at November 11, 2022 09:34 AM (IlL6s)

551 Katie Britt is going to make one helluva of a Senator. Thank you, Alabama!

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 11, 2022 09:34 AM (uCRv7)

552 The percentage you'd want to be worrying about are those who aren't even paying attention to it. The ones who only show up when Trump is on the ballot. They're not highly engaged in politics. The window to get their attention and try to win their support is narrow.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 11, 2022 09:31 AM (eYoxG)

He seemed a realist 6 years ago, but something happened to his brain after 2020. Or maybe he was always this way, and had a nice , groomed facade. You cannot operate in NY at the scale that he did, without being a massive asshole and a bully. He may just care about settling scores at this point, he will remain a billionaire regardless of who is in office.

Posted by: runner at November 11, 2022 09:34 AM (V13WU)

553 @547 DB- well I thought I'd just join in on accusing people of being someone they're not. I just looked up and chose your nic. When in Rome.....

Posted by: JROD at November 11, 2022 09:35 AM (IlL6s)

554 I'd like to point out that Youngkin is obviously an Anglo-Saxon name deriving from Jung Kinder and Trump's comment was idiotic.

Posted by: Ted Torgerson DeSantis/Lake 2024 at November 11, 2022 09:35 AM (lzd36)

555 551 you’re welcome! 😊

Posted by: Piper at November 11, 2022 09:35 AM (ZdaMQ)

556 Has there ever been an election where the R won the 20-somethings? I imagine Trump in '16 and Reagan in '84 would be the closest, but did they even outright win the 20-somethings? 20-somethings have been leftist for all of our lives, cuz academia has been leftist and they just exited (or are still in) academia and they haven't had responsibility of their livelihood at stake when surrendering to emotion / academics over reality in the voting booth. Saying the R's underperformed because of lack of 20-something support can't be the takeaway from this, because they (almost?) never have it.

Posted by: bearski at November 11, 2022 09:36 AM (Bhsk7)

557 That's what we're up against. People committed to their corruption to the death.

Bill Whittle warned everyone 13 years ago and no one listened. Probably because it was only happening to "Joe the Plumber" and Sarah Palin. Well, "first they came..." and all.

Of course, he's talking only about Democrats here, but this applies to the entire DC establishment, Democrats and the GOPe. Not to mention the entire Deep State (intelligence agencies, FDA, CDC, EPA, etc.)

http://bit.ly/2ZA3LBo

Alinski and his followers want you to believe that if you fight dirty in response to people fighting dirty with you, then you have lost your morals and in fact your identity. But that's a lie.

We are in a political fight to the death with people who will stop at nothing – and I'm not talking about your average decent Democrat, but rather these Alinski radicals. And if we don't face the same realization as those Marines on Guadalcanal and give back as brutally as we have taken, then we will lose.

Which is what they want. And if we do lose to these kind of tactics, there will be no more decent people left in politics.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at November 11, 2022 09:37 AM (Do5/p)

558 I would also throw Youngkin into the batch because essentially he is done after one term in VA as isn't the VA governorship term limited to one four year term.
Posted by: whig at November 11, 2022 09:20 AM (CXr4y)

Yes another on the bench. I throw in Hogan because he is going to run. He will go nowhere but he will run and capture an outsize amount of media attention because he says that the Trump GOP is crazy. And if that is the core of the GOPe I expect he will get some amount of support there.

My point being that DeSantis is probably the least likely pet candidate of the GOPe. They hate him too.

Posted by: blaster at November 11, 2022 09:37 AM (pwExq)

559 Last Atlas launch....wow. Did not know that venerable rocket was being retired. SpaceX now in the unchallenged drivers seat.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 11, 2022 09:37 AM (uCRv7)

560 The executive branch has also recently explored its ability to forgive student loans. Specifically, the Trump administration considered its statutory authority under the Higher Education Relief Opportunities for
Students Act of 2003 (“HEROES Act”

to forgive student loans due to the COVID-19 pandemic. But the Department concluded that it lacked such authority. House speaker Nancy Pelosi agreed with the Department’s conclusion: “People think that the president of the United States has the power for debt forgiveness. . . He does not. He can postpone, he can delay, but he does not have that power. That has to be [accomplished through] an act of Congress.”

Posted by: SMOD at November 11, 2022 09:37 AM (RHGPo)

561 The smear campaign against Trump shows you what the GOPe goal is.

The only person who can end this crap is Ron Desantis.

He either comes out and attacks Trump himself or he defends Trump against these bullshit attacks.

This is the first and probably last test for Ron Desantis.

Posted by: Achilles at November 11, 2022 09:38 AM (bzsXQ)

562 whig AND Joe Mannix........someone pass me a tissue. You guys are gonna make me cry. Thanks for having my back.

(I take back all the bad shit 'Ive said about you guys behind your backs) : )

Posted by: JROD at November 11, 2022 09:39 AM (IlL6s)

563 68 now, high of 79 but getting into the low 40s overnight this weekend. Sounds very cold and like I need to pull out the winter duvet.

Posted by: Piper at November 11, 2022 09:39 AM (ZdaMQ)

564 Sam Bankman-Fried, the second largest indivdiual Democrat donor in the midterms, lost his net worth this week. $15 billion, gonzo.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 11, 2022 09:40 AM (uCRv7)

565 550 @528 whig-Are you out of your f'ing mind saying you agree with me? You are well respected around here don't start jeopardizing that now.

LOL, I started lurking in 2005 and started commenting in 2010.
Posted by: JROD
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Nah. I take my cues from Jesus bro--if he spoke to everyone, then I sure as hell can too.

BTW, I was going to apologize to you for speaking for your mind as presumptuous but I think I got it essentially correct. We ain't voting our way out of this.

Posted by: whig at November 11, 2022 09:40 AM (CXr4y)

566 559 Last Atlas launch....wow. Did not know that venerable rocket was being retired. SpaceX now in the unchallenged drivers seat.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 11, 2022 09:37 AM (uCRv7)

United Launch Alliance, builder of Atlas, has a new booster ready or about ready to begin launching. I haven't kept track of this program recently.

Posted by: Gref at November 11, 2022 09:41 AM (AMIL/)

567 The HEROES Act defines “affected individuals” to include people who reside or are employed “in an area that is declared a disaster area by any Federal, State, or local official in connection with a national emergency” or who “suffered direct economic hardship as a direct result of a war or other military operation or national emergency, as determined by the Secretary.”

Posted by: SMOD at November 11, 2022 09:42 AM (RHGPo)

568 (I take back all the bad shit 'Ive said about you guys behind your backs) : )
Posted by: JROD
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If what you said is true--it is true regardless. If what you said is false--ditto. Actions matter more than words. And humility is something we can all work on.

You are a good egg JROD and say what you think. So keep on keeping on.

Posted by: whig at November 11, 2022 09:42 AM (CXr4y)

569 Yes, Reagan won 18-24 year olds in 1984. That is the only time since they started tracking this after the War. As we age, we are still the most conservative generation. (More conservative voting in our 50s that boomers or silents were in their 50s)

Posted by: Ted Torgerson DeSantis/Lake 2024 at November 11, 2022 09:42 AM (lzd36)

570 *throws another log on fire*

*pours another cup of tea*

*smiles at the thought of the electric mattress pad*

I'm ready, Winter. Do your worst.

Posted by: creeper at November 11, 2022 09:44 AM (cTCuP)

571 564 Sam Bankman-Fried, the second largest indivdiual Democrat donor in the midterms, lost his net worth this week. $15 billion, gonzo.
Posted by: Huck Follywood
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Crypto is a store of wealth about like tulip bulbs--it is not a currency per se and I don't think it can function as one.

Pixy is someone that I trust and ask his opinion about it. Blockchain is useful for some things but not for others.

Posted by: whig at November 11, 2022 09:44 AM (CXr4y)

572 @565 whig-Your spot on. I feel the same way about our countries situation. It's heartbreaking especially when you have three kids 18 and under.

Posted by: JROD at November 11, 2022 09:44 AM (IlL6s)

573 564. Ouch. Guess in the end you can really only fool all the people some of the time.

Posted by: Piper at November 11, 2022 09:46 AM (ZdaMQ)

574 @568 whig-LOL, never said anything behind your backs its just something I say to people in person jokingly when whatever tensions for the moment fade. Thank You for the kind words..

Posted by: JROD at November 11, 2022 09:46 AM (IlL6s)

575 I am late.

JJ is early in my Official Time Zone.

Posted by: Miklos, rebus sic standibus at November 11, 2022 09:48 AM (SP4pi)

576 So... in AZ they're delaying everything because they know that counting everything gives Lake the win?

What, exactly, do we imagine that they hope to accomplish by delaying Lake's win by a few days?

I mean, c'mon people... Make sense!

Posted by: Optimizer at November 11, 2022 09:49 AM (hOOi9)

577 574 @568 whig-LOL, never said anything behind your backs its just something I say to people in person jokingly when whatever tensions for the moment fade. Thank You for the kind words..
Posted by: JROD
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I know about the joking and I have been around the Horde long enough to distinguish real insults.

I did get a new one from a recent poster--I am apparently a 'credentialist' because I read books and articles about a subject. That cut me to the quick I can tell you.

Posted by: whig at November 11, 2022 09:53 AM (CXr4y)

578 My heavily populated, PA county - in for Trump 2016 & then involved in (investigated a tad) the alleged big steal 2020, shows the 3rd LOWEST number of votes for Mastriano (30.8%), only behind Allegheny (29.8%) which is nuts, and of course, Philly (13.6%) though Trump got 18% of Philly's vote 2020. Heh. Seemed so unlikely.

Fetterman was a long-time creation of the progressives - easily a decade inching through politics. He was the perfect candidate to do 'rope a dope' with his small town ways & personal mountains to climb though his path to the Senate came from the O & Joe administration with Indivisible Lambertville (NJ)-New Hope(PA) nominating him for National Endorsement.

FoxNews, Oct 25 Hillary Clinton roasted for claiming ‘right-wing extremists’ plan to steal 2024 presidential election. ‘This is pathetic even by Clinton standards,’ one critic responded. But no red wave - though some truly outstanding victories - and the plans to "stop MAGA with its plan to steal the 2024 election" are already in motion. Note: Trump or not makes NO difference, like the Tea Party became a slur. They'll not cede ground 2024.

1/

Posted by: Lola at November 11, 2022 09:54 AM (NIYa7)

579 Ann Coulter is a Cornellian from another age, back when different points of view were relished. She could be friends with Bill Mahar in those days, and with my brother (the libtard law professor). Now, Cornell is roiled by the mere presence on campus of Wrong-Think.

Throw a few of them out. That'll end the shenanigans. And get rid of Martha Pollack too. And Kotlikoff.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 11, 2022 09:55 AM (uCRv7)

580 Congrats to the otherwise despicable Charlestonians.

I will pay for a Moron She Crab Soup meetup.

If someone brings a flammable Nancy Mace pinata/\/

Posted by: Miklos, about an hour up the road from damn people at November 11, 2022 09:58 AM (SP4pi)

581 It is estimated that 10,900 soldiers were wounded, killed or went missing in the morning before the guns fell silent on 11/11/18 at 11:11 AM.

Happy Armistice Day everyone.

Posted by: Reforger at November 11, 2022 10:03 AM (7SaLS)

582 Over the past several years, it has turned into a day of poignancy bordering on melancholy given the state of the nation for which those men and women served, and the complete degradation of our armed forces for those who are still in service

Same here.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 11, 2022 10:07 AM (qfJCX)

583 Fortunately most of us will live our lives remaining ignorant about what situation could drive us to kill another person. To kill is to cross an ocean to another shore from which there is no return. Imagine making that crossing while listening to the cries of a newborn baby die from neglect.

Posted by: Oglebay at November 11, 2022 10:10 AM (wscPk)

584 SpaceX now in the unchallenged drivers seat.

And Biden's ready to arrest Musk and seize it.

Posted by: Ian S. at November 11, 2022 10:14 AM (ZGrMX)

585 And Biden's ready to arrest Musk and seize it.
Posted by: Ian S. at November 11, 2022 10:14 AM (ZGrMX)
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And where did you learn this State secret?

Posted by: Lavrenti Garland at November 11, 2022 10:33 AM (xEtsj)

586 576 So... in AZ they're delaying everything because they know that counting everything gives Lake the win?

What, exactly, do we imagine that they hope to accomplish by delaying Lake's win by a few days?

I mean, c'mon people... Make sense!
Posted by: Optimizer at November 11, 2022 09:49 AM (hOOi9)

I believe the AZ senate race has already been called for Kelly (D). I realize we're holding out hope that the ballots remaining to be counted come from more heavily reliable republican areas which "should" go for Lake. But there have been a lot of "should happens" in the last two elections that mysteriously "didn't happen." So I'm not hopeful.

Posted by: SMFH at November 11, 2022 10:44 AM (CEh/e)

587 They also fight the same Republican moderates who are now whipping up division inside the party. Think about it. In the week Republicans retake the House, and probably the Senate, win a host of victories around the country and with more to come – the corporate Republican class wants to pick a fight with the man and the movement that got us here.
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Hmmm. Whatever you do, you better make it seem legitimate, otherwise you alienate movement voters. Too bad there isn't a process for that . . . wait THERE IS A PROCESS FOR THAT.

Posted by: tell me why you like somebody better, not why you hate somebody at November 11, 2022 10:51 AM (CqnQv)

588 -Your spot on. I feel the same way about our countries situation. It's heartbreaking especially when you have three kids 18 and under.
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Yeah, and for me the kids have special needs. You deal with the cards you are dealt. We are each here at this time, with our own crosses to bear, because WE CAN BEAR THEM.

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Posted by: Tom at November 11, 2022 11:26 AM (b6cyk)

591 Trump worked his ass off holding rallies and supporting candidates across the country. All these cucks blaming Trump for losses did was sit on their asses while bitching on Twitter. Eff them.

Posted by: VAR1ABLE at November 11, 2022 12:02 PM (jsyJZ)

592 Meh. I voted for Trump. But now I realized that maybe he won in 2016 because, you know, Hillary. Joe Biden beat Trump... yeah it was close, and yeah, election irregularities. Just like football, Winning means having enough margin that the bad calls can't keep you from having the highest score.

What we all can laugh at together? Egg McMuffin and Franny O'Rourke getting beat...

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