"You Do Not Reward Mediocrity:" In Wake of Disappointing Gains, Calls Grow for Kevin McCarthy to Step Aside and Let Someone Else Lead the House

I do happen to think that Trump is a drag on the party -- but so is the feckless, weak-willed GOP establishment.

And if they want Trump to go, they should lead first by example. McCarthy and McConnell should show Trump what "taking responsibility" looks like and resign their positions as leaders of their respective caucuses.

Is it time for "new leadership," "fresh blood"? I agree.

So pack your bags, gentlemen! Let the fresh blood flow!

But they won't, will they?

Quoting The Washington Times:

The House GOP's smaller-than-expected majority increased leverage for the chamber's arch-conservative House Freedom Caucus to demand concessions from Mr. McCarthy in exchange for support in his speakership bid.
Freedom Caucus member Rep. Andy Biggs (R-AZ) says Republicans "have to have that very frank discussion. Going forward, I don't know who's going to end up being the leader. But if it's Kevin McCarthy, he's going to have to be far more, a little far more, tough than he has necessarily shown."

Every reality show contestant I've ever seen understands the creed, "I didn't come here to make friends." Why do all of these pussies think we send them to the Capitol or to state houses to make frenz with Democrats and the Democrat media?

The Freedom Caucus, I hear, is not against supporting McCarthy, but they will demand a heavy price in terms of "structural reforms" aimed at returning power to individual representatives, and stripping it from the Speaker of the House himself.

For various reasons, unfortunately, Democrats and then Republicans chose to abandon that bottom-up, pluralistic approach in favor of more of a winner-take-all model of governing. The House's rules were changed to give the Speaker greater sway over who became committee chairs and who sat on the Rules Committee. Majority legislators also began to rely heavily on the Speaker to fundraise for them, and to declare the party's legislative agenda. Getting a bill passed devolved into a top-down exercise led by the Speaker, his leadership team, and the Rules Committee. They would craft bills, often omnibuses, and present them to the chamber for an up or down vote.
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The House Freedom Caucus (HFC), that rabble-rousing group of a few dozen righties, is pressuring McCarthy to give rank-and-file legislators more power. It has been reported that the House Freedom Caucus publicly issued a memorandum on "restoring the people's voice in Congress" this past July. Among the requests for rule changes was making committees more independent from the Speaker by allowing committee members to choose their chair. The HFC memorandum also calls for legislators to be re-empowered to offer amendments from the floor and to be granted five days to read any legislation called up for a vote.
Let anyone think they were kidding, last month the HFC doubled down by releasing a guide to new members of the House. It tells incoming congressmen the hard truths about life in a top-down House.
"The state of affairs in the U.S. House of Representatives has steadily deteriorated over recent decades -- to the point at which the balance of power is so lopsided that members of Congress find themselves with no meaningful role in policymaking. ... The result is the 'People's House' serves almost everyone in Washington except the American People."

The guide acidly informs the naive naif that a new legislator would be wrong to imagine her committee assignment will be based on her life experiences. No, "committee assignments are based on perceived loyalty to leadership and whether you agree to meet a fundraising quota."
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McCarthy is well aware of what is being asked of him. He also knows that the HFC sent packing the two previous Republican Speakers, Ryan and John Boehner (R-Ohio). Certainly, he may feel he can work through this situation by pitching a few bones to the House Freedom Caucus but otherwise keeping the same leadership-dominated model.

Except, with a razor-thin majority, the Speaker (whoever it is) cannot govern at all without the Freedom Caucus.

By the way, Ron DeSantis was a member of the Freedom Caucus, the hardcore "MAGA"-oriented caucus of the House, before he ran for governor of Florida in 2018.

I point this out because people keep trying to claim that he's really "Establishment," like he's taking on the Establishment and shipping illegal aliens to Martha's Vineyard as part of some Long Con so he can become president and then say "Got ya, Suckers! Time for Comprehensive Immigration Reform! Viva McCain!"

Give me a break. He didn't have to make his life difficult and join the hated, despised Freedom Caucus. If he was a squish he could have been a part of John Boehner's squish leadership.

And if he wasn't a Freedom Caucus type, they wouldn't have taken him as a member. They control their membership lists; they don't have to let someone in just because he requests membership.

Correction: I was wrong; he didn't have to apply to join the Freedom Caucus, because he was a founding member.

Meet the Freedom Caucus
Feb. 4, 2015
About 30 House Republicans will meet Monday evening to establish the bylaws of a new caucus animated by two principles: First, rank-and-file Republicans must pressure leadership to enact a more conservative agenda. And second, this pressure should never involve frantic scurrying on the House floor.
The House Freedom Caucus, an invitation-only group, will work in concert in order to guide the House Republican Conference at key junctures, starting with the debate over a border-security bill that has conservatives alarmed.

The argument was over the belief that this was a paper border security bill designed to provide Border Security Theater while permitting Obama to leave the border open and grant mass amnesty.

"We're going to focus on what we believe middle-class voters sent us here to do," Representative Jim Jordan (R., Ohio), the de facto chairman of the organization pending leadership elections, tells National Review Online.
As a caucus devoted to moving leadership's agenda to the right, the group has a chance to take over the traditional role of the Republican Study Committee, which many lawmakers believe has strayed from its founding mission as an organization designed to pressure moderate GOP leaders to adopt more conservative positions.

As noted, the Republican Study Committee had been the group that was supposed to set a conservative agenda, but it was hijacked by moderates and liberals and turned into just another mouthpiece for Boeher and the neoliberal corporatist leadership.

The Freedom Caucus was formed to re-create what the RSC had previously been.

The RSC has served as the leading conservative caucus in the GOP conference since 1973, when it started as an informal group with just a few members. As it has grown in size -- it now has 170 members, close to three-quarters of the Republican majority -- many conservatives believe it's come to represent the more establishment wing of the party, and strayed from its original mission. The fissures in the RSC became apparent when then-RSC chairman Steve Scalise (R., La.) fired the caucus's long-time executive director for leaking information about conversations between members to outside groups that opposed a bipartisan budget deal in 2013. Scalise went on to win a race for House whip, while the fired aide, Paul Teller, went to work for Senator Ted Cruz (R., Texas).
The Freedom Caucus is forming just days after Boehner suggested that conservative frustration with his leadership is misguided.
"Frankly, a lot is being driven by national groups here in Washington who have raised money and just beating the dickens out of me," Boehner told CBS during a joint interview with new Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell (R., Ky.). "They raise money, put it in their pocket, and pay themselves big salaries."
DeSantis says that Boehner's critique might apply to some groups, but not to prominent conservative organizations such as the Heritage Foundation and the Club for Growth.
"I don't think that they would be able to generate outrage or generate dissatisfaction where none existed," he says. "I think they're tapping into an existing dissatisfaction with Republican leadership and with Washington, D.C., more generally."

Anyway, if you prefer Trump, you prefer Trump. But claiming that DeSantis is a Johnny-Come-Lately establishment liberal is just a flat-out lie. He was fighting the GOP Establishment before Trump was enmeshed in the GOP enough to even know there was a GOP Establishment to fight.

Posted by: Ace at 03:36 PM

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1 hiya

Posted by: JT at November 10, 2022 03:37 PM (T4tVD)

2 But rewarding mediocrity is so on brand for Republicans.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at November 10, 2022 03:38 PM (XvPQV)

3 Dems are voting in dead and brain dead people, I no longer have to feel bad about being lazy and going Straight R ticket anymore.

Posted by: tryhardneckbeard at November 10, 2022 03:38 PM (OLVeZ)

4 No from CA should run anything in CONgress.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at November 10, 2022 03:38 PM (g03CO)

5 Throw the bum out! Throw 'em all out.

Posted by: Prime Sister at November 10, 2022 03:38 PM (tQL7r)

6 >>>But if it's Kevin McCarthy, he's going to have to be far more, a little far more, tough than he has necessarily shown.

Come on. Spit the dick out of your mouth, and show some spine.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Disinformation Demon at November 10, 2022 03:39 PM (yHsuS)

7 No from CA should run anything in CONgress.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at November 10, 2022 03:38 PM

Exactly right.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at November 10, 2022 03:39 PM (N1tpc)

8 The two Mc"s need to go

Posted by: It's me donna at November 10, 2022 03:39 PM (bs+z0)

9 Nobody. Wtf

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at November 10, 2022 03:39 PM (g03CO)

10 Every reality show contestant I've ever seen understands the creed, "I didn't come here to make friends." Why do all of these pussies think we send them to the Capitol or to state houses to make frenz with Democrats and the Democrat media?
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They don't. They think they snowed us into sending them there to make money, and that's how you make the money.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 10, 2022 03:39 PM (DU+/6)

11 Oh boy, now you've done it, Ace.

Posted by: WisRich at November 10, 2022 03:40 PM (G0vdT)

12 And I'm not going to play a Trump vs DeSantis game. I like both, both have accomplished a lot that I like. Both bear watching, like any politician.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at November 10, 2022 03:40 PM (XvPQV)

13 Make changes to the uniparty? Blasphemy!

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at November 10, 2022 03:40 PM (cRs5X)

14 McConnell and McCarthy did nothing to advance Republican interests this cycle.

Anyone else could have done so much better by giving something POSITIVE for Republicans to run with.

Posted by: rd at November 10, 2022 03:40 PM (Z32m1)

15 Dems are voting in dead and brain dead people Posted by: tryhardneckbeard

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Anyone mentioned that the Dims voted in 3 dead people? Yeah, no fraud there

Posted by: Prime Sister at November 10, 2022 03:41 PM (tQL7r)

16 Gentlemen, I despise each and every one of you.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 10, 2022 03:41 PM (yQpMk)

17 Who is saying DeSantis *isn't* MAGA? We're saying he is bankrolled by a billionaire who has stated in the media that he isn't for all the America First shit, but he IS for the same globalist, selling the country down the river treasonous BS.

Posted by: MattyCO at November 10, 2022 03:41 PM (7DHQv)

18 6 >>>But if it's Kevin McCarthy, he's going to have to be far more, a little far more, tough than he has necessarily shown.

Come on. Spit the dick out of your mouth, and show some spine.
Posted by: Comrade flounder, Disinformation Demon at November 10, 2022 03:39 PM (yHsuS)

But where would he sleep at night???

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at November 10, 2022 03:41 PM (XvPQV)

19 Is it time for "new leadership," "fresh blood"?

Please clap!

Posted by: Heb! at November 10, 2022 03:41 PM (v0R5T)

20 "Gentlemen, I despise each and every one of you."

so much truth

Posted by: ace at November 10, 2022 03:41 PM (C1Zwz)

21 No from CA should run anything in CONgress.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at November 10, 2022 03:38 PM (g03CO)

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This. I have made this comment several times in the lead up to this election. No one from Commiefornia gets a congressional leadership position, not even the Coat Check Supervisor.

Posted by: Curly Shuffle at November 10, 2022 03:41 PM (TNyrE)

22 Also Romney's nice can get her lap banned a** and fat injected lips right the hell out of here.

Bunch of incompetent goofballs running the show.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 10, 2022 03:41 PM (mQsqg)

23 two Mc"s need to go

Posted by: It's me donna at

All 3 need to go.

Posted by: Fat Girl at November 10, 2022 03:42 PM (EWtCc)

24 Bring him in, John! Awkward moment John Kerry SHAKES HANDS with Venezuela’s ex-president Nicolas Maduro at COP27 Summit in Egypt – despite US having $15million bounty out on the narco-terrorist

Joe Biden’s climate change envoy John Kerry was in the Egyptian resort of Sharm-el-Sheikh on Tuesday, and was caught on camera shaking Maduro’s hand

The Venezuelan leader, one of 90 world leaders attending the conference, has been indicted by the United States for drug trafficking

Posted by: SMOD at November 10, 2022 03:42 PM (RHGPo)

25 If DeSantis doesn't want to be associated with the people pushing him, it's really not that hard to distance himself. he can speak for himself.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 10, 2022 03:42 PM (eYoxG)

26 Charlie McCarthy >>> Kevin McCarthy.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 10, 2022 03:42 PM (ZRTAW)

27 Ace, I appreciate you covering the DeSantis/Establishment rumors.

The psyops seems to be working. My trust in anyone has been crushed by past GOPers saying one thing and doing another.

DeSantis not only talks the talk, but his actions are also solid.

Posted by: Seems Legit at November 10, 2022 03:42 PM (DcKNO)

28 Gentlemen, I despise each and every one of you.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 10, 2022 03:41 PM (yQpMk)

Woohoo! I'm exempt!

Posted by: pookysgirl, proud Ette at November 10, 2022 03:42 PM (XKZwp)

29 Anyone mentioned that the Dims voted in 3 dead people? Yeah, no fraud there

Posted by: Prime Sister at November 10, 2022 03:41 PM (tQL7r)
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Dem logic: "If dead people can vote, why can't they run for office?"

Posted by: WisRich at November 10, 2022 03:42 PM (G0vdT)

30 Trump took billionaires' money too

Trump spent barely any of his own money

I'll start digging into trump's doners, believe that

Posted by: ace at November 10, 2022 03:42 PM (C1Zwz)

31 I agree, Trump has become a drag on the conservative party. Warp Speed is going to affect his campaign. Bank it.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at November 10, 2022 03:43 PM (pb6ET)

32 The only reason Florida is red and we didn't just lose five more senate seats this election is.... Donald J. Trump. Just because Big Media Money(Paul Singer) has ordered all of their journo's to blame Trump for this election is no reason to go along. They purposely hyped this election for non-success to further hammer Trump rather than Mitch McConnell who spent more money on democrats than Tshibaka, Masters, and Mastriano. That is it, guys. We are now supposed to be serfs for the multinational republican establishment once again. Fuck that.

Posted by: Danimal28 at November 10, 2022 03:43 PM (klw0w)

33 Yeah, fvck McCarthy.

Even a yellow dog will do

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at November 10, 2022 03:43 PM (ufFY8)

34 Hear Hear!
I did not vote FOR anyone, yet again. Just against the other asshole who wants to spend our money and placate every fuckin weirdo that demands to be placated. I would vote FOR Desantis. Bigly.

Posted by: Hairpin turn concrete truck collision take me now at November 10, 2022 03:43 PM (WknMC)

35 >>>I point this out because people keep trying to claim that he's really "Establishment," like he's taking on the Establishment and shipping illegal aliens to Martha's Vineyard as part of some Long Con so he can become president and then say "Got ya, Suckers! Time for Comprehensive Immigration Reform! Viva McCain!"

Is this hyperbole? Because this seems like hyperbole.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Disinformation Demon at November 10, 2022 03:43 PM (yHsuS)

36 16 Gentlemen, I despise each and every one of you.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 10, 2022 03:41 PM (yQpMk)

Amen

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at November 10, 2022 03:43 PM (XvPQV)

37 Let's give everyone a title and a corner office and a pony.

Then sing kumbaya.

Posted by: nurse ratched at November 10, 2022 03:43 PM (VQQA3)

38 I give handies daily in the cloak-room!

Posted by: Kevin McCarthy loves him big fat Google checks at November 10, 2022 03:43 PM (gFQ4g)

39 We've got to protect our phony baloney jobs!

Posted by: Mc & Mc at November 10, 2022 03:43 PM (cRs5X)

40 What I said below:

Look at what We, the GOP Establishment did for you:

Oh, that's right. We did Jack and Squat. Well, Except for Mitch. Mitch shoveled a bunch of money to the Alsakan Queen Moookowski. Oh, and Ms. Lindsey made Abortion a National Issue because he always helps out like that. And someone else said "FUCK UKRAINE" and dropped a load on their way out.

So I guess we really did a lot after all!?!?!

Posted by: GOP Establishment Incorporated at November 10, 2022 03:44 PM (Z32m1)

41 "committee assignments are based on perceived loyalty to leadership and whether you agree to meet a fundraising quota."

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No wonder the r's can never get anything really good done for us.

Posted by: Seems Legit at November 10, 2022 03:44 PM (DcKNO)

42 DeSantis can remove any reasonable doubt by going Pinochet with his supermajority legislature.

Posted by: Fat Girl at November 10, 2022 03:44 PM (EWtCc)

43 "Gentlemen, I despise each and every one of you."

Smartly, you left the 'ettes out.
Self preservation mode activated!

Posted by: Bosk at November 10, 2022 03:44 PM (ZVuYy)

44 The constituencies of the Speaker of the House and of the Senate Majority Leader are not We the People.

Their constituencies are their party's House Members and Senate Members.

Posted by: davidt at November 10, 2022 03:44 PM (oTZbj)

45 And second, this pressure should never involve frantic scurrying on the House floor.

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Why can't it involve scurrying? Is that a euphemism now??

Posted by: Prime Sister at November 10, 2022 03:44 PM (tQL7r)

46 Zombie Joe McCarthy >>> Charlie McCarthy >>> Kevin McCarthy.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at November 10, 2022 03:44 PM (pb6ET)

47 You know who else was fiercely independent when he started out in the House?

Paul Ryan.

What they do to get attention and power on a national level is no indication of what they will do once they have power.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at November 10, 2022 03:44 PM (pPIpD)

48 I didn't go to war for this country to like China's anus while they pay Mitch McConnell and Joe Biden. Period.

Posted by: Danimal28 at November 10, 2022 03:45 PM (klw0w)

49 There's going to be a flame war soon. 🔥

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at November 10, 2022 03:45 PM (g03CO)

50 No question the GOPe is grooming RDS to take out Trump. Will their $$$$ corrupt him? We can watch in real time.

Posted by: Valiant at November 10, 2022 03:45 PM (YusNT)

51 Come on. Spit the dick out of your mouth, and show some spine.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Disinformation Demon at November 10, 2022 03:39 PM (yHsuS)

You just made my day with that comment, flounder. And, can we talk Jim Jordan?

Posted by: Peaches at November 10, 2022 03:45 PM (14URa)

52 Bs President Trump is the one and only republican to take bullet after bullet. And we think new blood is going to make these leftist play nice ? I call bs on that garbage!! The only fighter I've seen is Trump!! Not perfect but let's not buy the crap the left has been selling us on from the get.

Posted by: SOMEASSHOLESTOLEMYPEN at November 10, 2022 03:45 PM (Whn33)

53 There's now 2 factions, NeverTrump and OnlyTrump. I'm somewhere in between, but I'll support whoever gets the nomination. I just hope the MSM isn't given enough fodder to define all debates within the conservative movement as being for or against Trump.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at November 10, 2022 03:45 PM (F5ekr)

54 Step aside? Yeah, I don't think so. Do you MAGAts understand how this game is played? I don't think you do. None of your behavior or your mealy-mouthed blathering about "principles" and "leadership" indicate that you do.

So let's do something rare, shall we? Let's be direct. Let's be blunt. Let me lay some knowledge on you.

Who the hell do you think we are? Who do you think you're dealing with? We're not a bunch of boy scouts. We're here to feather our nests, throw our weight around, and keep riding this gravy train until we run out of track. What's the way to throw your weight around? What's the way to get that mucho dinero? What's the way to stay on that train? It's to give nice sound bites to the semi-literate troglodytes that were stupid enough to put us in office while cutting every deal possible with the people who are actually in charge.

That's it. We're after money and power and we mean it. You're after what? Some principle? Some desire to pretend that you, too, don't hold those idiots back in your districts in contempt? Sure. You just want more for you, to play the same game without me. You're no better than me. Fuck you and the horse you rode in on.

Posted by: Kevin McCarthy, frustrated at November 10, 2022 03:45 PM (DU+/6)

55 And also glad to see my congressman (Biggs) sending up a trial balloon about no automatic coronation for McSquishy.

I'd be pleased with him as Speaker.

Posted by: Curly Shuffle at November 10, 2022 03:45 PM (TNyrE)

56 Having speaker of the House on your resume is a pretty big deal, he will not go quietly into the night.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at November 10, 2022 03:46 PM (bVYXr)

57 I agree 100%. McCarthy and McConnell should lead by example.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at November 10, 2022 03:46 PM (5eM/G)

58 And I'm not going to play a Trump vs DeSantis game. I like both, both have accomplished a lot that I like. Both bear watching, like any politician.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at November 10, 2022 03:40 PM (XvPQV)

Smart move.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Disinformation Demon at November 10, 2022 03:46 PM (yHsuS)

59 Daily Wire: The protestor who egged King Charles III during the royal’s visit with the Queen Consort in York has been banned for life against carrying eggs in public.

Posted by: Mark1971 at November 10, 2022 03:46 PM (xPl2J)

60 Let's give everyone a title and a corner office and a pony.

Then sing kumbaya.
Posted by: nurse ratched at November 10, 2022 03:43 PM (VQQA3)

We fight harder over office assignments than we do over billion dollar budget items.

Posted by: GOP Establishment Incorporated at November 10, 2022 03:46 PM (Z32m1)

61

*hic*

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at November 10, 2022 03:46 PM (vwCZJ)

62 The attacks on Desantis are so weak that they actually make me more inclined to support him, not less.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at November 10, 2022 03:46 PM (ppBhU)

63 17 Who is saying DeSantis *isn't* MAGA?
Posted by: MattyCO at November 10, 2022 03:41 PM (7DHQv)

The usual suspects.

Posted by: tryhardneckbeard at November 10, 2022 03:46 PM (OLVeZ)

64 By the way, Ron DeSantis was a member of the Freedom Caucus, the hardcore "MAGA"-oriented caucus of the House, before he ran for governor of Florida in 2018.
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Impossible! He's Romney's Twin? Or is it Ryan's? Anyway he's Mitch's bitch. I saw that at the Treehouse, so it must be troo.

Posted by: Eeyore at November 10, 2022 03:47 PM (TgBWG)

65 Anyone new would be better than McCarthy

Posted by: Skip's phone at November 10, 2022 03:47 PM (xhxe8)

66 DeSantis held strong when Trump's covid advisors were attacking him every day. That showed some integrity while being attacked in the national spotlight.

Posted by: ace at November 10, 2022 03:47 PM (C1Zwz)

67 I think the GOP needs to focus on cheating to level the playing field.

Posted by: Regular joe at November 10, 2022 03:47 PM (nnp+f)

68 Nasdaq up 7%. !!

Posted by: Fat Girl at November 10, 2022 03:47 PM (EWtCc)

69 Anyway, if you prefer Trump, you prefer Trump. But claiming that DeSantis is a Johnny-Come-Lately establishment liberal is just a flat-out lie. He was fighting the GOP Establishment before Trump was enmeshed in the GOP enough to even know there was a GOP Establishment to fight.

Posted by: Ace at 03:36 PM

My, let's call it 'hesitancy', about DeSantis' running for POTUS in '24 still stands. Love what he's doing as governor, love that he was a founding member of the Freedom Caucus. Things change a lot when you need to raise $1 billion to run for POTUS.

If McConnell turns out to be happy with a DeSantis run, watch out.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at November 10, 2022 03:47 PM (fgev6)

70 Republicans need to clean house and start anew.

These squishy corporatists need to be sent packing.

If this country is to be saved, we need some people willing to fight for average, hard working Americans.

Fuck the Establishment.

Posted by: Czech Chick at November 10, 2022 03:47 PM (6Tc2R)

71 So, what happens if the caucus actually does withhold votes for McCarthy and blocks him? Does he go cut deals with enough Dems to get the Speaker's gavel anyway? What if he can't? What if there is no Speaker because there's a poison pull blocking all of their nominees?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 10, 2022 03:47 PM (DU+/6)

72 it's a lot like when they say "trump was the 1st one to say build a wall."

No he was not: It was Cruz in his 1st Senate elex.

Posted by: jb at November 10, 2022 03:47 PM (MFMP+)

73 Some very stupid ideas floating around.

1. Candidate quality. Hello, every DNC candidate is brain dead. None could talk spontaneously.

2. The issues. There's no issue that the DNC could run on. Crime/border/trannies/whatever

3. Abortion. Really? Well, it's our number one defining issue, so what can you do. But it was never polling that bigly until after the election.

Anyway, it seems like the best bet for the GOP going forward is to focus on governorships to, ahem, fortify the elections and doing a good job, because Ohio and Florida show that's how you turn swing states red.

Posted by: sockamster, Aos ShowRunner at November 10, 2022 03:47 PM (MLrvz)

74 They didn't fail. They accomplished what they set out to do.

Also, if VDH is right then voting is worthless. A separation of some sort needs to be implemented.

Posted by: WiNO - Again Fortified with Fraud at November 10, 2022 03:47 PM (EpDzw)

75 >>>My, let's call it 'hesitancy', about DeSantis' running for POTUS in '24 still stands. Love what he's doing as governor, love that he was a founding member of the Freedom Caucus. Things change a lot when you need to raise $1 billion to run for POTUS.

Trump raised a billion too

Posted by: ace at November 10, 2022 03:48 PM (C1Zwz)

76 "A drag on the party"

Trump is the only reason the R party has any balls at all.

Posted by: Dark Force Thirsting For Power at November 10, 2022 03:48 PM (QY+6a)

77 DeSantis is obviously not a liberal. And I'd like to think he's genuinely conservative.
If he's the 2024 nominee, I'll quite likely vote for him.

However, while it's clear he's been a superlative governor of Florida: I want to hear his national positions and Constitutional positions sharply vetted during the primary debates.

I'm fuckin' SICK of check-the-box "conservative" Republicans who pay broad lip service to conservative positions and principles when campaigning while leaving themselves an ocean of wiggle room should they get elected.
- Then, surprise! They find exceptions to their "conservative" positions.

Posted by: Bach in Black at November 10, 2022 03:48 PM (7ubmG)

78 Anybody got the list of who McConnell and McCarthy personally campaigned for?

It is really, really short!

Posted by: GOP Establishment Incorporated at November 10, 2022 03:48 PM (Z32m1)

79 Charles got egged?

Is he shell shocked?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 10, 2022 03:48 PM (ZRTAW)

80 66 DeSantis held strong when Trump's covid advisors were attacking him every day. That showed some integrity while being attacked in the national spotlight.
Posted by: ace at November 10, 2022 03:47 PM (C1Zwz)

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As a Floridian this was everything.

Flying to CA or WA was like going to a different country.

Posted by: Seems Legit at November 10, 2022 03:48 PM (DcKNO)

81 I don't trust DeSantis but, full disclosure, I don't trust any of those rat-bastard politicians, especially anyone who hires consultants last employed by Chris Christie.

Having said that, DeSantis is clearly our future leader and since I hope President Trump (age 78 next election) will gracefully retire to Party Commissar for Ideological Leadership and not become Joe Biden, I can accept DeSantis. Hell, I might even get excited about DeSantis.

Time will tell.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 10, 2022 03:48 PM (gFQ4g)

82 67 I think the GOP needs to focus on cheating to level the playing field.
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At least bid up the cost of harvested ballots. Did you notice that all of Silicon Valley did their mass firing after the Unemployment Numbers were announced?

Posted by: Puddinhead at November 10, 2022 03:48 PM (J7wri)

83 Woohoo! I'm exempt!
Posted by: pookysgirl, proud Ette at November 10, 2022 03:42 PM (XKZwp)

Me too!

Posted by: spindrift, brazen-faced varlet at November 10, 2022 03:49 PM (h5TKJ)

84
12 And I'm not going to play a Trump vs DeSantis game. I like both, both have accomplished a lot that I like. Both bear watching, like any politician.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at November 10, 2022 03:40 PM (XvPQV

Same here.

Having said that, I fully support telling the two Macs to get the fuck out of their "leadership" positions.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at November 10, 2022 03:49 PM (BdMk6)

85 More 4-D chess from Trump.

He backs McCarthy and now McCarthy can't wash the stench off of him.

Trump gets a new speaker.

The man is a genius.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at November 10, 2022 03:49 PM (eeZI3)

86 I think the GOP needs to focus on cheating to level the playing field.

It's a catch-22. The GOP needs to win in the places where cheating is preventing them from winning so that it can stop the cheating.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at November 10, 2022 03:49 PM (ppBhU)

87 Let's give everyone a title and a corner office and a pony.

Then sing kumbaya.
Posted by: nurse ratched at November 10, 2022 03:43 PM (VQQA3)

Don't forget my sack of cash.

Posted by: GOP Senatard at November 10, 2022 03:49 PM (v0R5T)

88 72 it's a lot like when they say "trump was the 1st one to say build a wall."

No he was not: It was Cruz in his 1st Senate elex.
Posted by: jb at November 10, 2022 03:47 PM (MFMP+)
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And what am I, worm food? I said, "build the damned wall" on TV!

Posted by: Zombie McCain at November 10, 2022 03:49 PM (F5ekr)

89 I guess I mean that if abortion cost us the election, well, that's the price you pay for your big issue.

Does that mean the Lyndsey had to give MSNBC a scary quote a month before midterms? no. That was sabotage.

I don't even think Mitch holding back $$$ was that big of a deal because the left has shit the bed. But, maybe it was. Then Mitch is ...continues... to be a traitor and CANNOT be in leadership.

Thus...of course, he will be.

Posted by: sockamster, Aos ShowRunner at November 10, 2022 03:49 PM (MLrvz)

90 >>I do happen to think that Trump is a drag on the party.

Trump is not a drag on the party, quite the opposite, Trump gives word and deed to the lying liars of the GOP and what they've sold us for 20 years.

He's literally attempted the Herculean task of making the GOP a legitimate political party.

There is no DeSantis without Trump, there is no Youngkin without Trump, in fact their is no modern Republican movement without Trump.

He is their father and mother.

And this is the thanks he gets from these ungrateful loaves of bread.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 10, 2022 03:49 PM (mQsqg)

91 This is a great time to remember that no matter how you feel about Trump or Desantis, there's a common enemy here that must be defeated first for either man to accomplish what he's capable of.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at November 10, 2022 03:49 PM (KbCG3)

92 The only way to get things done is to have a Speaker who will fight the White House.

That isn't Kevin McCarthy. He's Paul Ryan v2

Posted by: Jay in PA at November 10, 2022 03:49 PM (i7Q7S)

93 The only reason we are having this discussion about replacing Pelosi as Speaker is because of the excellent stewardship of the party by Senator McConnell and Representative McCarthy. It is a bit disappointing that people want to turn on them in their moment of triumph.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Disinformation Demon at November 10, 2022 03:49 PM (yHsuS)

94 >> Freedom Caucus member Rep. Andy Biggs (R-AZ) says
>> Republicans "have to have that very frank discussion.

You're talking about me, aren't you?

Posted by: Frank Luntz at November 10, 2022 03:49 PM (uWF4x)

95 67 I think the GOP needs to focus on cheating to level the playing field.
Posted by: Regular joe at November 10, 2022 03:47 PM (nnp+f)

Which is why the GOPe is lining up to suck his dick but none of them will admit it. Most Safe and Secure elections ever.

Posted by: tryhardneckbeard at November 10, 2022 03:49 PM (OLVeZ)

96 In a G-load disaster from the rate of climb
Sometimes I'd faint and be lost to our side
But there's no reward for failure, but death

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrGfBnPRZCQ

Posted by: DaveA at November 10, 2022 03:49 PM (FhXTo)

97 74 They didn't fail. They accomplished what they set out to do.

Also, if VDH is right then voting is worthless. A separation of some sort needs to be implemented.
Posted by: WiNO - Again Fortified with Fraud at November 10, 2022 03:47 PM (EpDzw)

A separation of us from the political class? I'm down.

Because this isn't a red vs blue tribal issue. This is the power elite protecting their gravy train, even if it causes misery and debases what America was created to be.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at November 10, 2022 03:49 PM (XvPQV)

98 I'll vote for whomever is the GOP nominee. I've got serious Trump fatigue, I'll admit.

Posted by: Max Power at November 10, 2022 03:50 PM (Hucnr)

99 Did they really beat the dicks out of Boehner? Or did I misread that?

Posted by: Eeyore at November 10, 2022 03:50 PM (TgBWG)

100 McConnell and McCarthy don't want to win. They want to be in the minority so they can spread their hands and say, "Oh, we don't have enough power to stop Biden. But please send us money so we can pretend to try."

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 10, 2022 03:50 PM (p+1gI)

101 so, if menopausal women and obese single women want to ignore the destruction of the nation to kill their hypothetical spawn...well...enjoy your unlivable city.

Posted by: sockamster, Aos ShowRunner at November 10, 2022 03:50 PM (MLrvz)

102 I will accept new blood all around.
Every call to dump Trump without that needs to explain how the author increased the number of Republicans voting by mail.

None of them can because none of them tried. They simply refused to try.
You beat Trump by beating Trump--showing you ran the party better. Better candidates, better messages and--most important--better get-out-the-vote.

Your failures led to Trump in 2016. Your failures in 2022--that you're blaming on Trump-- are not an argument to return you to power. It's an argument for turning you out as well.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at November 10, 2022 03:50 PM (5EnGD)

103 I believe one of the qualifications of Speaker of the House is that they should be able to speak... No?

Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at November 10, 2022 03:50 PM (flINI)

104 If I'm Ike in WWII, I'm not going to fire Patton OR Bradley. And I don't have to reject DeSantis OR Trump.

And I'm going to look for even more politicians that will fight and fight.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 10, 2022 03:50 PM (eoQWY)

105 Now in the good old days of Reagan that narco terrorist would have been intercepted by fighter jets off a carrier and forced to land for arrest.

Posted by: torabora at November 10, 2022 03:50 PM (z0aPa)

106

Once you get rid of that clown, there are a hundred scumbags behind him to take his place.

I don't see this getting rectified before I pass on.

Posted by: Rev The Buzz at November 10, 2022 03:50 PM (6woqZ)

107 All these little cliques and tribes, it's no wonder nothing gets done.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at November 10, 2022 03:50 PM (geVLo)

108 No question the GOPe is grooming RDS to take out Trump. Will their $$$$ corrupt him? We can watch in real time.
Posted by: Valiant at November 10, 2022 03:45 PM (YusNT)

If Ron runs for the nomination, we're cooked any way you slice it. It will destroy the party--pissing off Trumpsters who feel there is unfinished business--and even if it doesn't, and even though De Santis is a better politician, more articulate, more attractive, less baggage, quicker on his feet--the media is going to treat him just as they treated Trump. Harvard and Yale is going to get him ZERO good coverage from these traitorous fucks.

Posted by: JoeF. at November 10, 2022 03:50 PM (mR6Gs)

109 The only reason we are having this discussion about replacing Pelosi as Speaker is because of the excellent stewardship of the party by Senator McConnell and Representative McCarthy. It is a bit disappointing that people want to turn on them in their moment of triumph.
Posted by: Comrade flounder, Disinformation Demon at November 10, 2022 03:49 PM (yHsuS)
++++
LOLWUT?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 10, 2022 03:50 PM (DU+/6)

110 Kevin and Mitch thinks that they can cut deals with Joe and come out the better

and in doing so, set the GOP up for gains in 2024

they will fail in this cuz the average independent has been somewhat imprinted to vote dim

the thing that will break the shackles of imptintation is corruption

show the inependents that Joe is corrupt and will pay attention

and you don't do that by cutting deals, you that by cutting throats

Posted by: REDACTED at November 10, 2022 03:51 PM (us2H3)

111 8 The two Mc"s need to go
Posted by: It's me donna at November 10, 2022 03:39 PM (bs+z0)
_______
Three. I think of them as the 3M Egos.

Posted by: Eeyore at November 10, 2022 03:51 PM (TgBWG)

112 Nasdaq up 7%. !!

Posted by: Fat Girl at November 10, 2022 03:47 PM (EWtCc)

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Meta is a little lighter today, guess the investors liked that move.

Posted by: Curly Shuffle at November 10, 2022 03:51 PM (TNyrE)

113 As I said on the Pixy thread: this is not even about Trump.

How long after DeSantis becomes the front runner will he too become 'toxic' and 'needs to step aside for the good of the party'?

How soon before some new, shinier, more 'electable' asshole lights the stars in everyone's eyes because the dems have not unleashed both barrels on them?

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at November 10, 2022 03:51 PM (CwQXo)

114 Assuming there is a Trump vs DeSantis primary, how does DeSantis counter the onslaught of petty insults from Trump. What's the best strategy? Especially at debates.

Posted by: WisRich at November 10, 2022 03:51 PM (G0vdT)

115 Trump only pressured DeSantis to close Florida under CoVID restrictions to make DeSantis look like a fighter.

Now he is insulting DeSantis to make them appear to be at odds.

5-D chess. Suckering the GOPe into backing DeSantis. A plan brilliant in its intricacy.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at November 10, 2022 03:51 PM (eeZI3)

116 So pack your bags, gentlemen! Let the fresh blood flow!

Ahhh. Drain The Swamp takes on a more literal meaning.

Can they borrow Paul Ryan for a few gallons?

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 10, 2022 03:51 PM (JOtiF)

117 OT: Sidebar about Indiana Jones movie
"Another unpopular conclusion had Ford’s Indiana Jones dying."

Um, that goes against canon; See "Young Indiana Jones Chronicles", where in one episode he's a very old man reminiscing.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 10, 2022 03:52 PM (ynpvh)

118 Kevin McCarthy? It's the shit eating grin that sets him above the rest.

Posted by: wth at November 10, 2022 03:52 PM (v0R5T)

119 Trump, not Kevin, won 18 seats in HOR in 2020

that's often overlooked

Posted by: REDACTED at November 10, 2022 03:52 PM (us2H3)

120 No question the GOPe is grooming RDS to take out Trump. Will their $$$$ corrupt him? We can watch in real time.
Posted by: Valiant

Speaking of random clowns showing up at election time...

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 10, 2022 03:52 PM (IyrhE)

121 Yeah, sorry. I should have socked that as Romney or Ryan, piss be upon them.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Disinformation Demon at November 10, 2022 03:52 PM (yHsuS)

122 it's a lot like when they say "trump was the 1st one to say build a wall."

////////

the border was lost long ago, like in 2006 when Bush went amnesty before his 2nd midterms.

Bush could've used GWOT to fix the border wall.

But the GOP was always on board invasion USA.

Posted by: sockamster, Aos ShowRunner at November 10, 2022 03:52 PM (MLrvz)

123 I will accept new blood all around.
Every call to dump Trump without that needs to explain how the author increased the number of Republicans voting by mail.

None of them can because none of them tried. They simply refused to try.
You beat Trump by beating Trump--showing you ran the party better. Better candidates, better messages and--most important--better get-out-the-vote.

Your failures led to Trump in 2016. Your failures in 2022--that you're blaming on Trump-- are not an argument to return you to power. It's an argument for turning you out as well.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at November 10, 2022 03:50 PM (5EnGD)

Hear. Hear.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Disinformation Demon at November 10, 2022 03:52 PM (yHsuS)

124 have we had a speaker from a red state since Newt

Posted by: REDACTED at November 10, 2022 03:53 PM (us2H3)

125 By the time the media is done with DeSantis, the LIVs will think he's just a younger, better-looking Trump with possible ( all four of Ron's grandparents are Italian-born)
MOB ties.

Posted by: JoeF. at November 10, 2022 03:53 PM (mR6Gs)

126 There's going to be a flame war soon. 🔥
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at November 10, 2022 03:45 PM (g03CO)

That is mainly because the GOPe leadership is willing to do anything to kill MAGA, just like the Tea Party. They came right out of the gate with the narrative of Trump caused this and abortion ruined us.

I'm willing to give DeSantis a chance. Although, I don't think even he could accomplish much in DC.

Posted by: WiNO - Again Fortified with Fraud at November 10, 2022 03:53 PM (EpDzw)

127 Posted by: Kevin McCarthy, frustrated at November 10, 2022 03:45 PM (DU+/6)
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You aren't the real Kevin McCarthy! I know Kevin McCarthy. If you were really him, you would say all that same stuff but it would take fifteen minutes to get it out and there would be lots of "uh" inserts in between phrases.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 10, 2022 03:53 PM (gFQ4g)

128 The DeSantis Trump Flame Wars....begun they have.

Posted by: Retarded Yoda at November 10, 2022 03:53 PM (OZjDX)

129 The Trump-Desantis wars have begun. Investing in 3 years worth of beef and deer jerky for this shit show.
Also I believe The ConservativeTreeHouse and the influencers who started there (Catturd and Bill Mitchell) may be a little bit bias when it comes to Trump since without Trump no gravy train.

Hell, I don't trust anybody.

Posted by: Yay! at November 10, 2022 03:53 PM (qu6IK)

130 Um, that goes against canon; See "Young Indiana Jones Chronicles", where in one episode he's a very old man reminiscing.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 10, 2022 03:52 PM (ynpvh)
++++
If modern Hollywood has demonstrated anything, it's that they don't give two shits about franchise canon.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 10, 2022 03:53 PM (DU+/6)

131 115 Trump only pressured DeSantis to close Florida under CoVID restrictions to make DeSantis look like a fighter.

Now he is insulting DeSantis to make them appear to be at odds.

5-D chess. Suckering the GOPe into backing DeSantis. A plan brilliant in its intricacy.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at November 10, 2022 03:51 PM (eeZI3)
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Tip o' the hat. It's brilliant!

Posted by: Zombie McCain at November 10, 2022 03:53 PM (F5ekr)

132 Assuming there is a Trump vs DeSantis primary, how does DeSantis counter the onslaught of petty insults from Trump. What's the best strategy? Especially at debates.

Posted by: WisRich at November 10, 2022 03:51 PM (G0vdT)

Ask him if he cheats at golf. Accuse, if he must.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 10, 2022 03:53 PM (JOtiF)

133 About DeSantis.

He spent a lot of time this Summer campaigning for County School Board Candidates. Candidates that despise CRT and Gender Mutilations. He found, funded, and campaigned for those candidates. His candidates won their elections this Summer.

He fired the Broward County Sheriff after Parkland. The Sheriff stayed fired. The Courts and the Senate made sure he stayed fired. Ditto a States Attorney.

DeSantis and his staff do the hard work, and do it right.

Posted by: rd at November 10, 2022 03:54 PM (Z32m1)

134 A very good first start would be shit-canning Ronna McDaniel.

Posted by: Peaches at November 10, 2022 03:54 PM (14URa)

135 @117

>>Um, that goes against canon; See "Young Indiana Jones Chronicles", where in one episode he's a very old man reminiscing.

** Millennial writer Brain Storming Around Plot Hole **

WE'LL CALL IT THE MULTI-VERSE OF JONSES!!!

Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 10, 2022 03:54 PM (mQsqg)

136 114 Assuming there is a Trump vs DeSantis primary, how does DeSantis counter the onslaught of petty insults from Trump. What's the best strategy? Especially at debates.

/////////

DeSantis isn't a dickless Jeb!

DeSantis is Cruz level smart and a bit of a fighter.

Posted by: sockamster, Aos ShowRunner at November 10, 2022 03:54 PM (MLrvz)

137 A couple walks into a therapist's office, after an hour of sharing grievances the therapist says, "remember it's not husband against wife, it's husband and wife against the problem."

The moral of the story is, who knows? No, wait, it's that we need Trump and DeSantis working together against establishment republicans.

Posted by: Seems Legit at November 10, 2022 03:54 PM (DcKNO)

138 KFC Germany had to apologize after it sent out a promotion to commemorate the anniversary of Nazi Kristallnacht

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Today Regular; Tomorrow Extra Crispy!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 10, 2022 03:54 PM (FVME7)

139 The Big Lie in the Media today:

Trump is a loser. Drop him.

I agree completely about McCarthy and McConnell. They have to go.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at November 10, 2022 03:54 PM (I9VC/)

140 Inflation report comes in a tiny bit better and Wall Street has an orgasm.

Posted by: Mark1971 at November 10, 2022 03:54 PM (xPl2J)

141 The Pool IRL had Milo on last night, which was pretty interesting. TBH I totally bailed on Milo years ago, but I got the impression he really is serious about his new found Christianity.

He had the take on Trump that he understood his bitterness - and I gotta admit most people would have crumpled. He thought that Trump, once he announced would start to look forward again, and take the lessons learned to heart. I really hope so. Because I have zero doubt that he's throwing his hat in the ring again.

Benny's take was also kind of spot on. The Republicans are Blockbuster, the Dems are Netflix. Campaigning is a thing of the past. We see that, Fetterman and Dead guy prime examples, as is Hobbs. Hunker down, do a couple of videos and most of all - balloteering. It's all about the ballot. CA laid the blueprint, and we've got to get on board with it - at least for now. How, I have no idea. And, I hate the idea. But the whole "voting day" thing has been successfully killed off. Nobody is going to get off of their asses, so we need to work within this new paradigm of tik-tok attention spans.

Posted by: clutch cargo - Now fortified with CPM-S90V at November 10, 2022 03:54 PM (zB/T/)

142 "Allow someone else to lead" makes it sound as if McCarthy led something. As far as I can tell, he was Masterchief Milquetoast -- devining the squishy middle of every conflict, and proffering up a few soundbites to some mid-morning schlub on Fox News to make himself appear tough.

Utterly useless. He should've been out front on Floyd, 1/6, COVID overreach, parental rights, the economy... but he was utterly and completely absent.

Posted by: red speck at November 10, 2022 03:54 PM (gS3OW)

143 You aren't the real Kevin McCarthy! I know Kevin McCarthy. If you were really him, you would say all that same stuff but it would take fifteen minutes to get it out and there would be lots of "uh" inserts in between phrases.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 10, 2022 03:53 PM (gFQ4g)
++++
I'm character-limited in this neanderthal forum.

Posted by: Kevin McCarthy, frustrated at November 10, 2022 03:55 PM (DU+/6)

144 Assuming there is a Trump vs DeSantis primary, how does DeSantis counter the onslaught of petty insults from Trump. What's the best strategy? Especially at debates.
Posted by: WisRich at November 10, 2022 03:51 PM (G0vdT)
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Laugh along with PDJT; respond to the substance and ignore the petty stuff.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 10, 2022 03:55 PM (gFQ4g)

145 Well, all the smart people tell me "Trump is poison."

I guess that's enough for me. And besides he said DeSantis had cooties, and that was not nice.

I shall now throw the greatest president since Ronald Maximus under the bus. The man who fought DC. Who exposed the corruption and stood up against globohomo, china, the swamp, Big Tech, Big Media, and the guy who was so scary that all of DC conspired to have him lose. Yeah, he must be bad now.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at November 10, 2022 03:55 PM (pPIpD)

146 DeSantis and his staff do the hard work, and do it right.
Posted by: rd at November 10, 2022 03:54 PM (Z32m1)

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agree

Posted by: Seems Legit at November 10, 2022 03:55 PM (DcKNO)

147 Trump's singular downside is his 80 years old in 2024.

That's a damned shame. I didn't like his age in 2016 either. We need a much younger candidate. He should recognize that and help us find a younger candidate. This is needed from him.

Posted by: torabora at November 10, 2022 03:55 PM (z0aPa)

148 Inflation report comes in a tiny bit better and Wall Street has an orgasm.

///

inflation already occurred for the common man, his paycheck cut in half already.

also, dead cat bounce + news of 48-52 GOP Senate and GOP House

Posted by: sockamster, Aos ShowRunner at November 10, 2022 03:55 PM (MLrvz)

149 Doesn't matter who's speaker. The GOP will cave on the first CR.

Posted by: wth at November 10, 2022 03:56 PM (v0R5T)

150 So, what happens if the caucus actually does withhold votes for McCarthy and blocks him? Does he go cut deals with enough Dems to get the Speaker's gavel anyway? What if he can't? What if there is no Speaker because there's a poison pull blocking all of their nominees?
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 10, 2022 03:47 PM (DU+/6)

I think there was a case right before the Civil War where the Northern and Southern Dems could not decide on a speaker so a Republican was made Speaker.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 10, 2022 03:56 PM (eoQWY)

151 Trump will run in the primaries with DeSantis as his arch rival, forcing the media to praise DeSantis in an effort to defeat Trump and make DeSantis the Trump-slayer, hero of the people.

But Trump doesn't really want the presidency.

It's all an elaborate 6-D chess move by the glorious golden-scalped weasel! Long live kingmaker Trump! Long live Trump-puppet DeSantis!

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at November 10, 2022 03:56 PM (eeZI3)

152 The main issue with DeSantis is he's going to be treated exactly like Trump and we don't know how he'll handle it.

Posted by: MBunge at November 10, 2022 03:56 PM (2tWdQ)

153 Trump is Moses. Joshua is TBD.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at November 10, 2022 03:56 PM (fgev6)

154 >>>How long after DeSantis becomes the front runner will he too become 'toxic' and 'needs to step aside for the good of the party'?

stop pretending that everything that happened to Trump is *external* to Trump and can just happen to anyone else. Trump is a uniquely divisive figure. Trump makes popular positions unpopular. For example, people generally want to seal the border. it's a winning position. When he came down the escalator, he said something like, 'they're bringing drugs, they're bringing rape... and some, I assume, are good people." By freewheeling a very delicate subject, he toxified a position that was a popular. He turned a 60-40 position into a 50-50 one with a lot of people screaming RACIST!

Yes I know they would have screamed that anyway but now they had that soundbite.

He's always stepping on his dick because he just refuses to do any homework or reading at all.

But you just keep pretending "This could happen to ANYONE." Well no, not really.

Posted by: ace at November 10, 2022 03:56 PM (C1Zwz)

155 Trump is not a drag on the party, quite the opposite, Trump gives word and deed to the lying liars of the GOP and what they've sold us for 20 years.

He's literally attempted the Herculean task of making the GOP a legitimate political party.

There is no DeSantis without Trump, there is no Youngkin without Trump, in fact their is no modern Republican movement without Trump.

He is their father and mother.

And this is the thanks he gets from these ungrateful loaves of bread.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 10, 2022 03:49 PM (mQsqg)
==
He is certainly not a drag. But he is a governor. In that we can only go so high. I'm still waiting for his path to victory in 24. Because it doesn't exist as far as I can see.

Posted by: Black JEM at November 10, 2022 03:56 PM (xWZcb)

156 114 Assuming there is a Trump vs DeSantis primary, how does DeSantis counter the onslaught of petty insults from Trump. What's the best strategy? Especially at debates.
Posted by: WisRich at November 10, 2022 03:51 PM (G0vdT)

Hitting back just as hard(assuming he wants to win this particular race and not just bolster his chances for a future one). Trump has a monopoly on a portion of the GOP voters (largely working class), which is how he won the primaries back then. They won't respect DeSantis if he tries to play it differently.

Trying to play it like a conventional politician dooms him.

If DeSantis avoids making a serious try for the nom but just is polishing his future credentials, Trump will not likely focus on him to a meaningful degree.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 10, 2022 03:56 PM (eYoxG)

157 Stop rewarding failure. Get rid of McConnel and McCarthey. Get someone in leadership who will lead Rs to victory.

Posted by: IanDeal at November 10, 2022 03:57 PM (MGjjz)

158 The only old blood they want gone is the guy who's not a careerist. Sounds fucking stupid to me. Trump is not "old blood", he gave the scrabby remains of conservativism in the GOP a dose of the sort of leadership that hadn't seen since Reagan. And the careerists, who now masquerade, as "new blood" (Scalise is in his 8th term, Cruz is largely a lifer, too.

Posted by: CN at November 10, 2022 03:57 PM (Zzbjj)

159 have we had a speaker from a red state since Newt
Posted by: REDACTED at November 10, 2022 03:53 PM (us2H3)

***

John Boehner

Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at November 10, 2022 03:57 PM (flINI)

160 Assuming that both Don and Ron run for prez, I'm stickin' with the Don until Ron shows he can consistently kick some ass on stage in the debates.

Moreover, despite his impressive win in Florida, I have serious doubts about DeSantis's ability to generate the kind of star power and intense enthusiasm that Trump manifests.
We need that.

Posted by: Bach in Black at November 10, 2022 03:57 PM (7ubmG)

161 We ain't votin' our way out of this. Mail-in ballots, election month/season. It's all gotta go.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at November 10, 2022 03:57 PM (I9VC/)

162 5-D chess. Suckering the GOPe into backing DeSantis. A plan brilliant in its intricacy.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at November 10, 2022 03:51 PM (eeZI3)

They won't back DeSantis. It will be a Haley/Noem ticket with them crowing about how Democrats are the real sexists. If DeSantis gets their backing, then the fix is likely in. Other than Trump or DeSantis, I will not vote for them. Let it be Weekend at Biden's II.

Posted by: WiNO - Again Fortified with Fraud at November 10, 2022 03:57 PM (EpDzw)

163 117 OT: Sidebar about Indiana Jones movie
"Another unpopular conclusion had Ford’s Indiana Jones dying."

Um, that goes against canon; See "Young Indiana Jones Chronicles", where in one episode he's a very old man reminiscing.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 10, 2022 03:52 PM (ynpvh)

The're doing a time travel plot twist, ala Marvel (and DC, with their Flash movie)

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at November 10, 2022 03:57 PM (XvPQV)

164 Ron is too smart to fall for the "take down Trump for us" bullshit of the GOPe

he knows it would be a suicide mission, even if he won the nomination

the GOPe is no better than a bunch of unmarried women

Trump is their abortion

he has broken them and they think if they get rid of him, they will become unbroken

Posted by: REDACTED at November 10, 2022 03:57 PM (us2H3)

165 Inflation report comes in a tiny bit better and Wall Street has an orgasm.
Posted by: Mark1971 at November 10, 2022 03:54 PM (xPl2J)
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If you're buy and hold, don't be fooled. That same elevator goes down, but faster. Stay safe.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 10, 2022 03:57 PM (gFQ4g)

166 As a Trump guy, I see your suggestion as the perfect solution. If the GOPe caucus moves aside, I can absolutely tolerate asking Trump to move aside.

Posted by: Jim at November 10, 2022 03:57 PM (v2iao)

167 Purple permanent dye on your right index finger.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at November 10, 2022 03:57 PM (I9VC/)

168 I think there was a case right before the Civil War where the Northern and Southern Dems could not decide on a speaker so a Republican was made Speaker.
Posted by: Oldcat at November 10, 2022 03:56 PM (eoQWY)
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But the Speaker is elected by the House. So what if the Republican's refuse to field someone the Freedom Caucus will back, and the Democrats hold the line and refuse to vote for any Republican? What if they can't seat a Speaker?

Of course, this is probably academic. If that happens, they'll pick a "moderate Democrat representative" to be Speaker, all of the Ds will vote for him and enough Rs will climb on board to make it happen.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 10, 2022 03:57 PM (DU+/6)

169 "You Do Not Reward Mediocrity"

The Democrats do it all the time. McCarthy is doing what he is supposed to do.

Posted by: Bubba at November 10, 2022 03:58 PM (sn5EN)

170 Here's another aspect of a possible Ron DeSantis run that some may have overlooked.
If the GOP is sincere and really wants him to run, they are going to assign him all their usual GOP consultants and media "experts' and these jerkoffs will immediately try to soften his image to "attract" moderates, independents and yes, Suburban Wine Moms, effectively neutering him and making him another loser

Posted by: JoeF. at November 10, 2022 03:58 PM (mR6Gs)

171 "I do happen to think that Trump is a drag on the party -- but so is the feckless, weak-willed GOP establishment.” ---Smart Military Blogger

Correct. Anyone who insists that anything is monocausal should be dismissed as a hack. If we had a better establishment we wouldn't need someone to be anti-establishment. And Trump was the right anti-establishment guy in 2016. He's just no longer the right guy.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at November 10, 2022 03:58 PM (/AwhG)

172 152 The main issue with DeSantis is he's going to be treated exactly like Trump and we don't know how he'll handle it.
Posted by: MBunge at November 10, 2022 03:56 PM (2tWdQ)

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When the press tries to misrepresent him, he takes ZERO shit.

Posted by: Seems Legit at November 10, 2022 03:58 PM (DcKNO)

173 To all of our complete and utter shock, Arizona says the Governors race will not be done being counted until after the weekend.

Posted by: tryhardneckbeard at November 10, 2022 03:58 PM (OLVeZ)

174 Doesn't matter who's speaker. The GOP will cave on the first CR.

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basically. you wanted control of congress. all we can do is stop new bad laws.

You want to fight biden? You think any republican has the balls to stand up when they wrap the WWII memorial in yellow tape?

Posted by: sockamster, Aos ShowRunner at November 10, 2022 03:58 PM (MLrvz)

175 I agree completely about McCarthy and McConnell. They have to go.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at November 10, 2022 03:54 PM (I9VC/)

McTurtle throwing millions at a race in AK with an R vs R was a poke in the eye to the rest of us. They could have changed a few senate races if they wanted to - but the last thing they want is another MAGA in the house. The uniparty must go. Hell, I have little doubt that Miss Lindsey did a lot of damage with his "outlaw abortion" message. We didn't listen, but the 18-26 year old idiots sure did. Turns out abortion was a huge deal. We are after all dealing with dummies. All of them need the boot.

Posted by: clutch cargo - Now fortified with CPM-S90V at November 10, 2022 03:58 PM (zB/T/)

176 161 We ain't votin' our way out of this. Mail-in ballots, election month/season. It's all gotta go.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at November 10, 2022 03:57 PM (I9VC/)

this right here

Posted by: Peaches at November 10, 2022 03:58 PM (14URa)

177 McCarthy and McConnell should be kicked out of a C-130 at altitude directly over the US Chambers of Commerce headquarters in DC with a screaming Lindsey Grayham duct taped to them.

Posted by: Azathoth at November 10, 2022 03:58 PM (wb1YC)

178 Trump 78 July 2024. Excuse but same sentiment.

Posted by: torabora at November 10, 2022 03:58 PM (z0aPa)

179 John Boehner
Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at November 10, 2022 03:57 PM (flINI)

I meant a sober one

Posted by: REDACTED at November 10, 2022 03:58 PM (us2H3)

180 167 Purple permanent dye on your right index finger.
Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at November 10, 2022 03:57 PM (I9VC/)

That's not funny!

Posted by: Michelle Fields at November 10, 2022 03:58 PM (PiwSw)

181 stop pretending that everything that happened to Trump is *external* to Trump and can just happen to anyone else. Trump is a uniquely divisive figure. Trump makes popular positions unpopular. For example, people generally want to seal the border. it's a winning position.

But you just keep pretending "This could happen to ANYONE." Well no, not really.
Posted by: ace at November 10, 2022 03:56 PM (C1Zwz0

Eh, I think this is a koolaid drinking take. It's not a presentation issue, it's trying to actively push forward with something at all. Any focus on immigration was going to tribalize things into the usual split.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 10, 2022 03:58 PM (eYoxG)

182 >>he knows it would be a suicide mission, even if he won the nomination

that's what I used to think but now I know we cannot win with trump so I no longer care

bluff called. You want to destroy the party? Fine, I'm game. I'll blow it up too.

Posted by: ace at November 10, 2022 03:59 PM (C1Zwz)

183 He is certainly not a drag. But he is a governor. In that we can only go so high. I'm still waiting for his path to victory in 24. Because it doesn't exist as far as I can see.
Posted by: Black JEM at November 10, 2022 03:56 PM (xWZcb)

No there isn't because the Dems will fortify the election again. And the day after we'll have some people complaining we didn't hustle enough, or go to jail trying to cheat like the Dems.

Posted by: WiNO - Again Fortified with Fraud at November 10, 2022 03:59 PM (EpDzw)

184 Great points about DeSantis, Ace. It's where I will stand with him, unless he proves otherwise. I honestly don't expect that. He does seem to be the real deal with his convictions, and if it's truly where he's at ideologically, the Rs who wish to coopt him aren't going to get very far. They may just be grasping at straws to get us away from Trump and consider him ultimately spoilable...like so many that came before. I currently have a lot of faith in DeSantis.

Posted by: Lady in Black at November 10, 2022 03:59 PM (sVtYq)

185 Yeah any degree that Trump is problematic, the current GOPe leadership is far, far, exponentially worse. If you want Trump gone because he only got like 90% of his endorsed candidates elected, then you should want McConnell et al banished to the outer darkness even more.

It is very, very, painfully obvious that it is time for a serious change at the top, and not just some shuffling around of deck chairs. In both parties.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 10, 2022 03:59 PM (Ivdso)

186 114 Assuming there is a Trump vs DeSantis primary, how does DeSantis counter the onslaught of petty insults from Trump. What's the best strategy? Especially at debates.
Posted by: WisRich at November 10, 2022 03:51 PM (G0vdT)

Trump's insults only really work when aimed against an easy target. Calling Pelosi an animal or calling Rubio Little Marco works because people who may vote for Trump care very little for the others.

Coming after Desantis like that will backfire bigly.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at November 10, 2022 03:59 PM (KbCG3)

187 I'm fully out on the notion that we need a vigorous GOP primary to separate the wheat from the chaff, that "steel sharpens steel" or any other bullshit catchphrases suggesting that a hotly contested primary (between Trump and DeSantis, the only two men with a shot) will leave the eventual nominee in a stronger position more ready to take on whatever Dem gets selected.

That might have flown in normal times, but these aren't normal times.

Posted by: ballistic at November 10, 2022 03:59 PM (Sa0bK)

188 135 @117

>>Um, that goes against canon; See "Young Indiana Jones Chronicles", where in one episode he's a very old man reminiscing.

** Millennial writer Brain Storming Around Plot Hole **

WE'LL CALL IT THE MULTI-VERSE OF JONSES!!!
Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 10, 2022 03:54 PM (mQsqg)
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The "multiverse" the Disney/Marvel MacGuffin that keeps on giving. I, for one, hated "Avengers: End Game" because it negated the gravitas of half of everyone being snapped away by Thanos at the end. The "multiverse" was used liberally to undo all that, and for what? To piss on all the characters that made the MCU a huge financial and cultural success? That's why everything post, and including, End Game is mostly crap. /rant

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at November 10, 2022 03:59 PM (F5ekr)

189 Well, all the smart people tell me "Trump is poison."

I guess that's enough for me. And besides he said DeSantis had cooties, and that was not nice.

I shall now throw the greatest president since Ronald Maximus under the bus. The man who fought DC. Who exposed the corruption and stood up against globohomo, china, the swamp, Big Tech, Big Media, and the guy who was so scary that all of DC conspired to have him lose. Yeah, he must be bad now.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at November 10, 2022 03:55 PM (pPIpD)

lol

Perfect.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Disinformation Demon at November 10, 2022 03:59 PM (yHsuS)

190 Freedom Caucus member Rep. Andy Biggs (R-AZ) says
>> Republicans "have to have that very frank discussion.

You're talking about me, aren't you?
Posted by: Frank Luntz

* golf clap*

Posted by: Blue Hen at November 10, 2022 03:59 PM (JTRqZ)

191 @155

>>Because it doesn't exist as far as I can see.

That's fair, but given the new voting realities and the fact we will still have a retarded and feckless GOP establishment, does DeSantis or Younkin or fill in the blank have a better shot at winning PA, WI, MI, AZ, NV, or any of the other places a GOP candidate needs to win?

GOP Presidential candidates paths were narrowing before Trump, now they look microscopic.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 10, 2022 04:00 PM (mQsqg)

192 There's a shortage of good governors out there. We could use thirty more like Desantis. I'd rather Trump deal with DC and keep MAGA alive for a bit more before it goes the way of the tea party.

Of course, given the fact the democrats continue to level up their vote fraud skills with each cycle it might not even matter.

Posted by: brak at November 10, 2022 04:00 PM (j5Tg0)

193 No there isn't because the Dems will fortify the election again. And the day after we'll have some people complaining we didn't hustle enough

Donate Moar! Vote Harder! It wuz Trump!

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 10, 2022 04:00 PM (Ivdso)

194 As I said on the Pixy thread: this is not even about Trump.

How long after DeSantis becomes the front runner will he too become 'toxic' and 'needs to step aside for the good of the party'?

How soon before some new, shinier, more 'electable' asshole lights the stars in everyone's eyes because the dems have not unleashed both barrels on them?
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at November 10, 2022 03:51 PM (CwQXo)

War Turtle and whoever is in the GOPe are too toxic and must resign their leadership positions so they can pay more attention to serving their constituents.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 10, 2022 04:00 PM (eoQWY)

195 And I'm not going to play a Trump vs DeSantis game. I like both, both have accomplished a lot that I like. Both bear watching, like any politician.

Same. It's almost comical how suddenly this week there's all kinds of drama intended to discredit both of them. Most of it "sources say" or from nicks we've never seen before.

Example:
The main issue with DeSantis is he's going to be treated exactly like Trump and we don't know how he'll handle it.
Posted by: MBunge at November 10, 2022 03:56 PM (2tWdQ)

Search Twitchy for "Christina Pushaw" and you'll get an earful of how DeSantis handles the press.

Posted by: Ian S. at November 10, 2022 04:00 PM (ZGrMX)

196 The only reason I liked Kemp is because he wasn't listening to Donald "Father of the Vaccines" Trump either on shutting down!

But fuck Rathlesburger

Posted by: BacktoGA at November 10, 2022 04:00 PM (MPYWI)

197 163 117 OT: Sidebar about Indiana Jones movie
"Another unpopular conclusion had Ford’s Indiana Jones dying."

Um, that goes against canon; See "Young Indiana Jones Chronicles", where in one episode he's a very old man reminiscing.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 10, 2022 03:52 PM (ynpvh)

The're doing a time travel plot twist, ala Marvel (and DC, with their Flash movie)

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at November 10, 2022 03:57 PM (XvPQV)

Might as well make him a non-binary disabled transgender of color while they're at it; the destroy everything else.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 10, 2022 04:00 PM (ynpvh)

198 Trump is a uniquely divisive figure.

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guess so. The left has promised not to call DeSantis any bad names this time around.

Posted by: sockamster, Aos ShowRunner at November 10, 2022 04:00 PM (MLrvz)

199 The market is reacting to election forecasts of a GOP water anchor on Brandon's megalomania. The inflation numbers, actually awful, have nothing to do with this run today. The Fed is already lining up another 75 basis points.

Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at November 10, 2022 04:00 PM (AaLDK)

200 OMG, Trump is NOT a drag on the party, HE is the party, the rest are globalists, even your precious cruz

Posted by: Gonzotx at November 10, 2022 04:00 PM (RTNcm)

201 >>>Eh, I think this is a koolaid drinking take. It's not a presentation issue, it's trying to actively push forward with something at all. Any focus on immigration was going to tribalize things into the usual split.

to some extent, yes, I conceded that, but not to saying, basically, "a lot of mexicans are rapists."

this is delicate shit, not bull-in-a-china-shop stuff. yes there's crime coming over the border. But you have to say this carefully, avoiding giving the impression you're saying "mexicans love rape." I know trump didn't MEAN that, of course. But he's just so sloppy and so unwilling to do the most basic prep work.

Posted by: ace at November 10, 2022 04:00 PM (C1Zwz)

202 What I want from the speaker is someone who understands that the January 6th committee was a fucking travesty, and will act accordingly, punishing those responsible to the point that they never try to pull that kind of shit ever again. Anything short of that is unacceptable.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at November 10, 2022 04:00 PM (/AwhG)

203 As I said on the Pixy thread: this is not even about Trump.

How long after DeSantis becomes the front runner will he too become 'toxic' and 'needs to step aside for the good of the party'?

How soon before some new, shinier, more 'electable' asshole lights the stars in everyone's eyes because the dems have not unleashed both barrels on them?
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at November 10, 2022 03:51 PM (CwQXo)

Hey Guys! Pick me! Pick! ME!

Posted by: Dan Crenshaw eyepatch and all at November 10, 2022 04:01 PM (Z32m1)

204 Definitely time for new leadership in the Shit For Brains Party.

No more kiddie diddlers, no more drunks crying in their skid marked diapers, no more sodomite fag lover's of the caak and no more turkey necked, turtle looking Red Chinese coke addled octogenarians.

Lead, follow or get out of the damn way.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 10, 2022 04:01 PM (R/m4+)

205 Meh, Trump or DeSantis.
I'll crawl over broken glass to vote for either.

Posted by: Bosk at November 10, 2022 04:01 PM (ZVuYy)

206 Doesn't matter who's speaker. The GOP will cave on the first CR.

Posted by: wth at November 10, 2022 03:56 PM (v0R5T)

Yeah, they can't even have a manly fight about speaker. Instead, we get watered down weasel words. Very inspiring, GOPe.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Disinformation Demon at November 10, 2022 04:01 PM (yHsuS)

207 Benny's take was also kind of spot on. The Republicans are Blockbuster, the Dems are Netflix. Campaigning is a thing of the past. We see that, Fetterman and Dead guy prime examples, as is Hobbs. Hunker down, do a
couple of videos and most of all - balloteering. It's all about the ballot. CA laid the blueprint, and we've got to get on board with it - at least for now. How, I have no idea. And, I hate the idea. But the whole "voting day" thing has been successfully killed off. Nobody is going to get off of their asses, so we need to work within this new paradigm of tik-tok attention spans.
Posted by: clutch cargo - Now fortified with CPM-S90V at November 10, 2022 03:54 PM (zB/T/)
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But the issue is - blues don't vote - thus harvesting, etc work for them. the reds do vote, making it more difficult. So it must be different.

Posted by: Black JEM at November 10, 2022 04:01 PM (xWZcb)

208 Purple permanent dye on your right index finger.
Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse
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Up-armored humvees with .50s helps keep the peace also.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at November 10, 2022 04:01 PM (KL6QW)

209 Here's the bottom line for me:
I don't want to be *governed* by Trump. He is the hammer in the kit to tear it all down.
DeSantis can rebuild and govern. I don't trust him to be a raging bull in the china shop known as the DC swamp.

Posted by: MattyCO at November 10, 2022 04:01 PM (7DHQv)

210 We don't punish failure at all in the GOP and it shows.

McConnell should have been gone when the GOP lost the Senate in 2020.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 10, 2022 04:01 PM (ESjRY)

211 To all of our complete and utter shock, Arizona says the Governors race will not be done being counted until after the weekend.
Posted by: tryhardneckbeard at November 10, 2022 03:58 PM (OLVeZ)

AZ can look forward to Abortion Mouse as their governor. But hey, it is the GOP's fault in AZ. They didn't cheat like the Dems.

Posted by: WiNO - Again Fortified with Fraud at November 10, 2022 04:01 PM (EpDzw)

212 The're doing a time travel plot twist, ala Marvel (and DC, with their Flash movie)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at November 10, 2022 03:57 PM (XvPQV)

Doomcock seems to have been right on this one. And it makes sense - Disney wants to do an Indy TV show, so what better way than to have some bitch turn into Indiana Jones? I sort of remember the Young Indiana Jones having some promise, but no way they'd let a white male hetro be a lead character.

Posted by: clutch cargo - Now fortified with CPM-S90V at November 10, 2022 04:01 PM (zB/T/)

213 For everyone saying that it's too early to start this Trump vs. Desantis war, let's remember one thing: Trump started this all on his own. The famous counter-puncher launched a pre-emptive here, and he had absolutely zero reason to do so other than being insecure.

Desantis is in his head and it's not the best look.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at November 10, 2022 04:01 PM (KbCG3)

214 I'm for getting rid of "all of the above". But I despise Mitch McConnell most of all. If your party hates you that much, its time to go McCarthy less so, but we should VASTLY outperformed say 2010 and 2014 mid terms.

But the Red Wave being a Red Puddle is mostly at Trump's feet, especially since HIS endorsements were why these clowns were the nominees and shit the bed. MAstriano being terrible was a drag on all of PA. Masters in AZ was also a major fuck upon Trump's part.

And don't tell me this horse shit about Trump getting REAL conservatives, Dr Oz was a pro choice, pro transgender liberal. And McConnell gave him $50 million for his race, so this ones not McConnell's fault.

Posted by: Hylian at November 10, 2022 04:01 PM (dpIbY)

215 >>>The left has promised not to call DeSantis any bad names this time around.

they will, they'll call him transphobe hater and gay-hater and all that

by the way Trump isn't very talkative about those issues

is he not taking a strong position on them?

Posted by: ace at November 10, 2022 04:01 PM (C1Zwz)

216 There's a shortage of good governors out there. We could use thirty more like Desantis.

Good governors in place doing a good job are worth 100 Presidential Candidates. Even if by some act of God DeSantis won, it is clear that he's doing more and being more effective where he is than in the Oval Office. We need 49 more Governor DeSantises, not a President DeSantis.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 10, 2022 04:02 PM (Ivdso)

217 146 DeSantis and his staff do the hard work, and do it right.
Posted by: rd at November 10, 2022 03:54 PM (Z32m1)

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agree
Posted by: Seems Legit at November 10, 2022 03:55 PM (DcKNO)

Also agree. However, does FL have a Treasury Secretary to spare? What about a Defense Secretary? or an HHS or Sec'y of State? As a governor, you don't get to work with any of those; they come from the Rolodex of the GOP(e?). Again, I like RDS a lot. I'm just afraid he'll simply have a slightly better 'administration' than Trump did, unless there is a Come To Jesus moment between the battling wings of the Republican Party. McConnell's people seem to have no appetite to compromise, and the GOP base has no appetite to see if the GOPe scorpion will do anything other than sting the frog again.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at November 10, 2022 04:02 PM (fgev6)

218 To all of our complete and utter shock, Arizona says the Governors race will not be done being counted until after the weekend.
Posted by: tryhardneckbeard at November 10, 2022 03:58 PM (OLVeZ)

AZ can look forward to Abortion Mouse as their governor. But hey, it is the GOP's fault in AZ. They didn't cheat like the Dems.
Posted by: WiNO
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lol

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at November 10, 2022 04:02 PM (KL6QW)

219 VA Lt. Gov. Winsome Sears, who was the national chair of Black Americans to Re-elect the President in 2020, says "I could not support" Trump if he decides to run for president in 2024.

"We have a clear mission, and it is time to move on."

Posted by: Mark1971 at November 10, 2022 04:02 PM (xPl2J)

220 186 114 Assuming there is a Trump vs DeSantis primary, how does DeSantis counter the onslaught of petty insults from Trump. What's the best strategy? Especially at debates.
Posted by: WisRich at November 10, 2022 03:51 PM (G0vdT)

Trump's insults only really work when aimed against an easy target. Calling Pelosi an animal or calling Rubio Little Marco works because people who may vote for Trump care very little for the others.

Coming after Desantis like that will backfire bigly.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at November 10, 2022 03:59 PM (KbCG3)

So all the GOP candidates besides Trump in 2015 were weak targets?

Trump was getting voters in the primaries that no other candidate was competing for, everyone else was dividing other portions of the electorate. Which has a lot to do with his style. Assuming that happens again, he'll win the primaries again.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 10, 2022 04:02 PM (eYoxG)

221 The person running against Lake, Abortion Mouse, is also in charge of counting ballots.

Lake needs to fix that conflict of interest. Perhaps a position of SOS for just one term.

Posted by: torabora at November 10, 2022 04:02 PM (z0aPa)

222 he only got like 90% of his endorsed candidates elected,

I'd really like to see a breakdown of how many of these races were competitive and any other data that suggests they performed better because of Trump's endorsement. I don't think the bottom-line number tells us anything.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at November 10, 2022 04:02 PM (ppBhU)

223 My real top secret campaign slogan:

"Keep the Golden State Golden Shower.... Ha-Ha Peasants...."

Posted by: Gavin Newsum at November 10, 2022 04:02 PM (8GJtx)

224 I'd be orgasmic with Kari Lake and Ric Grenell, in any order.

Posted by: Peaches at November 10, 2022 04:02 PM (14URa)

225 Please note this very important fact: Republicans won the nationwide vote by a considerable margin. Democrats, like in 2012 had very targeted fraud that won them important races.

You people do realize it is Kari Lake's OPPONENT who is counting the votes in AZ. Now do you understand why it is so phuked up there? While I expect Kari to win the vote, I expect her opponent to win the count.

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at November 10, 2022 04:02 PM (CecP5)

226 I think we all need to agree on what needs to happen to the government (shutting down the FBI, DOJ, DHS, CIA, Education, etc.) and then determine which person would be more likely to do it. I don't think Trump or Desantis is willing to do what it takes to actually make real change. And if they try, they'll be assassinated, impeached, or their own party will stab them in the back. 49% of the country thinks things are going great!

Posted by: BacktoGA at November 10, 2022 04:02 PM (MPYWI)

227 The DeSantis Trump Flame Wars....begun they have.
Posted by: Retarded Yoda at November 10, 2022 03:53 PM (OZjDX)

No offense to the actual person behind the Yoda nic, but that IS retarded. Flame Wars been going on since Tuesday at least or maybe that's a joke-Retarded Yoda didn't notice.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 10, 2022 04:02 PM (vH/6k)

228 Doesn't matter who's speaker. The GOP will cave on the first CR.
Posted by: wth at November 10, 2022 03:56 PM

You are too young to be so cynical.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at November 10, 2022 04:02 PM (a3Q+t)

229 Need some way to exclude from party leadership, anyone who has made a substantial amount of money from insider trading, govt. contracts, or gone round the industry/govt revolving door at least once.

Posted by: PlainJane at November 10, 2022 04:02 PM (RDtcS)

230 More important right now than arguing Trump or DeSantis is to get rid of the two MacRepublicans dragging the party down!

Posted by: Floridachick at November 10, 2022 04:03 PM (oajph)

231 215 >>>The left has promised not to call DeSantis any bad names this time around.

they will, they'll call him transphobe hater and gay-hater and all that

by the way Trump isn't very talkative about those issues

is he not taking a strong position on them?
Posted by: ace at November 10, 2022 04:01 PM (C1Zwz)

Is the tranny thing something the President does anything about? He/Devos reversed the nonsense Obama put in. But what is DeSantis proposing the President do about this issue?

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 10, 2022 04:03 PM (eYoxG)

232 John Boehner
Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at November 10, 2022 03:57 PM (flINI)
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Cincinnati doesn't count. He's a piece of shit.

https://tinyurl.com/29wrpxdu

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 10, 2022 04:03 PM (jxcJy)

233 But you just keep pretending "This could happen to ANYONE." Well no, not really.

Posted by: ace at November 10, 2022 03:56 PM (C1Zwz)

I was told we couldn't say gay. Did I imagine that?

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Disinformation Demon at November 10, 2022 04:03 PM (yHsuS)

234 It's a catch-22. The GOP needs to win in the places where cheating is preventing them from winning so that it can stop the cheating.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls

///

Yes, exactly.

Posted by: Prime Sister at November 10, 2022 04:03 PM (tQL7r)

235 I'm down for Trump/DeSantis 2024 but the one thing I'll for DeSantis outside of ideological positions is his mastery of details when it comes to policy implementation.

The whole hurricane preparation and recovery might not be the most interesting subject to people outside effected areas but it's good insight into the way the man approaches problems. He knows the details, knows the criticisms before they're asked and has specific rebuttals and is quick on his feet to adapt to flip the script.

Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at November 10, 2022 04:03 PM (OZjDX)

236 To all of our complete and utter shock, Arizona says the Governors race will not be done being counted until after the weekend.
Posted by: tryhardneckbeard at November 10, 2022 03:58 PM (OLVeZ)

That means they can't steal it now, and might not by then.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 10, 2022 04:03 PM (eoQWY)

237 But the issue is - blues don't vote - thus harvesting, etc work for them. the reds do vote, making it more difficult. So it must be different.
Posted by: Black JEM at November 10, 2022 04:01 PM (xWZcb)
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First, not all conservatives vote. There's plenty of opportunity there.
Second, it doesn't have to be limited to conservatives. You think the people the Dems are harvesting from are all good leftists? I don't. I think most of the harvesting targets are probably clueless and would respond to anyone. Go after the same target, too. Why not? This isn't about ideology or what's right, it's about stealing it before the other guy can steal it. So steal from him while you're at it. Hell, even tell the harvesting target that you're a Democrat if it'll get the ballot out of his hands.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 10, 2022 04:03 PM (DU+/6)

238 As I said on the Pixy thread: this is not even about Trump.

How long after DeSantis becomes the front runner will he too become 'toxic' and 'needs to step aside for the good of the party'?

How soon before some new, shinier, more 'electable' asshole lights the stars in everyone's eyes because the dems have not unleashed both barrels on them?
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at November 10, 2022 03:51 PM (CwQXo)
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I am tanned, rested, and ready. You know i have no scruples and I am willing to betray everyone for nothing at all.

Posted by: Willard Romney at November 10, 2022 04:03 PM (Z32m1)

239 Hey Guys! Pick me! Pick! ME!
Posted by: Dan Crenshaw eyepatch and all at November 10, 2022 04:01 PM (Z32m1)

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He can fuck right off, too.

I'd rather get my hand slammed in a car door than vote for that attention whoring asshole.

Posted by: Seems Legit at November 10, 2022 04:03 PM (DcKNO)

240 I hadn't come across that bullshit about DeSantis from CTH until I saw someone on another forum spouting it. At first I was like, "Really? Damn, that sucks."

Then I did about 30 seconds of research.

Not that CTH has been a bastion of rock-solid information, but this really tarnished their brand.

Posted by: McLurkerson at November 10, 2022 04:04 PM (wNDOJ)

241 There is no DeSantis without Trump, there is no Youngkin without Trump, in fact their is no modern Republican movement without Trump.

He is their father and mother.

And this is the thanks he gets from these ungrateful loaves of bread.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 10, 2022 03:49 PM (mQsqg)

Its an old debate amongst historians... do the times make the Man, or the Man make the times...

I think Trump is a symptom, not cause... because the cause has been around since Perot had the Reform party going.... and he was no where to be found during the TEA Party movement.

But the issue remains the same... and it is one the Repubs don't want to address either... because our problem stems from the Government itself being too large, and taking too many of our resources to run.

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 10, 2022 04:04 PM (oHd/0)

242 bluff called. You want to destroy the party? Fine, I'm game. I'll blow it up too.
Posted by: ace

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membaberries:

they screwed us on assault rifles. so, we allegedly forgave them, but maybe not.

either way, now with Mitch hurting blake and helping Murk.

and..with america gone either way, who cares, eh?

Posted by: sockamster, Aos ShowRunner at November 10, 2022 04:04 PM (MLrvz)

243 John Boehner
Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at November 10, 2022 03:57 PM (flINI)

I meant a sober one
Posted by: REDACTED at November 10, 2022 03:58 PM (us2H3)

***

Pft.. bbbb,, WAGHHHHHHHH

Posted by: John Boehner at November 10, 2022 04:04 PM (flINI)

244 "The only reason Florida is red and we didn't just lose five more senate seats this election is.... Donald J. Trump."

OK, fine. But I do say that a major reason that we in Wisconsin are saddled with Evers (the prick who stood by and watched while Kenosha burned) for four more years is Donald J. Trump. We had a solid candidate in Walker's lieutenant governor, Rebecca Kleefisch, but she didn't kiss Trump's ring while Tim Michels did; and the Trumpistas and the Democrats together ensured that Michels, a weaker candidate, took the primary. He proceeded to run a lackluster campaign and got nuked in the general.

Was Trump screwed in 2020 in Wisconsin? Yes; take it from one who participated in the Milwaukee recount, which was a farce from start to finish. Does it needs to be cleaned up? Yes, absolutely. But helping to re-elect the Democrat by backing a weaker candidate simply on the question of personal loyalty is not the way to get it done.

Trump was a good president. He gave us four years of peace and prosperity, and did so much to help unmask the deep state. I will always be grateful to him. But he needs to learn - *we* need to learn - that it's not all about him.

Posted by: Nemo at November 10, 2022 04:04 PM (S6ArX)

245 213 For everyone saying that it's too early to start this Trump vs. Desantis war, let's remember one thing: Trump started this all on his own. The famous counter-puncher launched a pre-emptive here, and he had absolutely zero reason to do so other than being insecure.

Desantis is in his head and it's not the best look.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at November 10, 2022 04:01 PM (KbCG3)

He was under attack by people pushing DeSantis before this point. Being under attack by surrogates counts.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 10, 2022 04:04 PM (eYoxG)

246 I am enjoying the discussion but my positions are pretty much set already. I like our future President DeSantis a lot but, if Trump runs, and doesn't do anything astonishingly stupid in the next year, he has my vote in the primary. I would not be blessedly retired right now if it were not for Trump's 2019 economy. I owe him at least one more vote.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 10, 2022 04:04 PM (yQpMk)

247 question -

Did Trump push banning abortion before the election?
Did Trump push cutting off Ukraine?

On the left side of the internet, every time a Republican did the above, it was major news. These were the 80/20 issues that the dems relied on, and the Rs that didn't shut the f--- up and instead talked up the other side's line were the problem
Them and the fraudulent mail in votes.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at November 10, 2022 04:04 PM (pPIpD)

248 186 114 Assuming there is a Trump vs DeSantis primary, how does DeSantis counter the onslaught of petty insults from Trump. What's the best strategy? Especially at debates.
Posted by: WisRich at November 10, 2022 03:51 PM (G0vdT)

Trump's insults only really work when aimed against an easy target. Calling Pelosi an animal or calling Rubio Little Marco works because people who may vote for Trump care very little for the others.

Coming after Desantis like that will backfire bigly.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at November 10, 2022 03:59 PM (KbCG3)

So all the GOP candidates besides Trump in 2015 were weak targets?

I agree with Scrutinizer. the attacks worked because we wanted to see the GOPe taken down. which is why Sundance is so desperate to pretend that DeSantis is GOPe. But that's a dumb lie and it won't work.

I mean, whatever. "Little Ronnie White Boots." Give it a shot.

Posted by: ace at November 10, 2022 04:04 PM (C1Zwz)

249 152 The main issue with DeSantis is he's going to be treated exactly like Trump and we don't know how he'll handle it.
Posted by: MBunge at November 10, 2022 03:56 PM (2tWdQ)
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He's gone through a least two years of the "Trump Treatment" from the MSM. They wanted him destroyed and did everything possible to tarnish him for the Gov race. He handled the pressure great. He knows he won't get the benefit of the doubt from the press.

Posted by: WisRich at November 10, 2022 04:04 PM (G0vdT)

250 You all would feel differently if he come to/at one of my parties.

Posted by: Frank Luntz at November 10, 2022 04:05 PM (uWF4x)

251 The very reason people are starting to associate DeSantis with the GOPe is because they're acting on his behalf. And he hasn't distanced himself from this activity. It's natural for people to make that connection.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 10, 2022 04:05 PM (eYoxG)

252 No there isn't because the Dems will fortify the election again. And the day after we'll have some people complaining we didn't hustle enough, or go to jail trying to cheat like the Dems.
Posted by: WiNO - Again Fortified with Fraud at November 10, 2022 03:59 PM (EpDzw)
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There are states where the cheat is not so fortified. Can Trump take Virginia? Can he take Georgia?

He can't. There are some others who would have a chance. I assume WI, MI, PA aren't there for anyone.

Posted by: Black JEM at November 10, 2022 04:05 PM (xWZcb)

253 Trump will run in the primaries with DeSantis as his arch rival, forcing the media to praise DeSantis in an effort to defeat Trump and make DeSantis the Trump-slayer, hero of the people.

But Trump doesn't really want the presidency.

It's all an elaborate 6-D chess move by the glorious golden-scalped weasel! Long live kingmaker Trump! Long live Trump-puppet DeSantis!

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at November 10, 2022 03:56 PM (eeZI3)
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I am now a C Anon who follows & perpetrates the Qunspiracy Theories of Bitter C!

Posted by: ShainS -- The Humiliation is Part of the Kink at November 10, 2022 04:05 PM (XX92M)

254 That guy 2024 lunch yeah.

Posted by: Fetterman at November 10, 2022 04:05 PM (qQ/i8)

255 Until this all gets sorted - it's early days, after all - I'll stick with drinking and junk food.

Posted by: Peaches at November 10, 2022 04:05 PM (14URa)

256 I am tanned, rested, and ready. You know i have no scruples and I am willing to betray everyone for nothing at all.
Posted by: Willard Romney at November 10, 2022 04:03 PM (Z32m1)

Romney / Bush de jure... 2024?

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 10, 2022 04:05 PM (oHd/0)

257 a shrug of the GOPe's shoulders will be the best you will get if they run Ron and he loses

they got their shot with their perfect candidate and he wilted

and yet no of the paid for that mistake

Posted by: REDACTED at November 10, 2022 04:05 PM (us2H3)

258 they will, they'll call him transphobe hater and gay-hater and all that

by the way Trump isn't very talkative about those issues

is he not taking a strong position on them?
Posted by: ace
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Remember Trump waving the gay flag at the GOP Convention?

But he's REAL conservative.

https://tinyurl.com/5n6tfj5p

Posted by: Hylian at November 10, 2022 04:05 PM (dpIbY)

259 is he not taking a strong position on them?
Posted by: ace

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who knows, I just want to focus on Georgia run off.

2024 is 2 years away. We can lose a lot more before then

Posted by: sockamster, Aos ShowRunner at November 10, 2022 04:05 PM (MLrvz)

260 I would pay a high price just to have the turtle out of politics sooner than Trump. Even if wasn't strategically wise to the readers-of-tea-leaves.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at November 10, 2022 04:06 PM (44ww/)

261 Maryann or Ginger. Ducks.

Posted by: Puddinhead at November 10, 2022 04:06 PM (J7wri)

262 “A bull in a china shop?”

*pricks up ears*

— Mrs. David French

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 10, 2022 04:06 PM (ZRTAW)

263 if you prefer Trump, you prefer Trump. But claiming that DeSantis is a Johnny-Come-Lately establishment liberal is just a flat-out lie.
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Anyone who attempts to eliminate any candidate prior to the primary based upon "concerns" is either an emo or a paid operative. There is a process. We are going to see it play out. A LOT is going to happen. You can talk about the pros and cons. However if you are trying to eliminate from consideration based upon "concerns" well you are carrying the enemies water.

Posted by: tell me why you like somebody better, not why you hate somebody at November 10, 2022 04:06 PM (LgF/l)

264 Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at November 10, 2022 04:02 PM (CecP5)

And if she loses-which is highly likely- Lake ought to sue the hell out of Hobbs and her campaign and the voters for Kari Lake ought to be out in the street.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 10, 2022 04:06 PM (vH/6k)

265 >>>Trump was a good president. He gave us four years of peace and prosperity, and did so much to help unmask the deep state. I will always be grateful to him. But he needs to learn - *we* need to learn - that it's not all about him.

agreed including the part about us owing Trump bigly for all of this -- he did so much. None of this is possible without him.

But how much do you owe someone for a victory six years ago? Especially after six years of losses since then?

When he loses in 2024, do we owe him another shot in 2028? When does the owing end?

Posted by: ace at November 10, 2022 04:06 PM (C1Zwz)

266 176 161 We ain't votin' our way out of this. Mail-in ballots, election month/season. It's all gotta go.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at November 10, 2022 03:57 PM (I9VC/)

this right here

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Yes, and I alluded to it early this morning. This is cart before the horse stuff. The cheat factor is very real, and as we all see now, has been cemented into several states by way of all Democrat controlled govt's. Once the methods have been instituted, it's practically compulsory for them to cheat. How do you unwind that when they've captured all levers of state power that you need to undo it??? It's a deeply serious problem and it's only going to get worse unless it's stopped...somehow.

Posted by: Lady in Black at November 10, 2022 04:06 PM (sVtYq)

267
Of course, this is probably academic. If that happens, they'll pick a "moderate Democrat representative" to be Speaker, all of the Ds will vote for him and enough Rs will climb on board to make it happen.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 10, 2022 03:57 PM (DU+/6)

Speaker AOC.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at November 10, 2022 04:06 PM (BdMk6)

268 Those purple ties he wears might be code.

Posted by: torabora at November 10, 2022 04:06 PM (z0aPa)

269 Yes Trump has stepped on his dick and IMO is naive as fck. But, BUT he is the first person that has shown he is willing to stoop, even in a Republican primary(I was a Cruz person) and call his opponents wife an ugly sCrUNT. This infuriated me to no fucking end to the point I was not going to vote for Trump.
However it didn't take long for me to remember that a person that was willing to stoop as low as he did against someone essentially on the same team that that THIS IS MY GUY. I want someone that will stoop lower, step over that line to beat people we know are evil, and then step back over. Trump is a condescending arrogant prick and that is EXACTLY the TYPE of person I want going in to battle for me or with me. This pussy ass shit of OMG he attacked DeSantis......who cares. I want to see who is the meanest, rottenest sonofabitch in a gdamn fight!

Posted by: JROD at November 10, 2022 04:06 PM (IlL6s)

270 First, not all conservatives vote. There's plenty of opportunity there.
Second, it doesn't have to be limited to conservatives. You think the people the Dems are harvesting from are all good leftists? I don't. I think most of the harvesting targets are probably clueless and would respond to anyone. Go after the same target, too. Why not? This isn't about ideology or what's right, it's about stealing it before the other guy can steal it. So steal from him while you're at it. Hell, even tell the harvesting target that you're a Democrat if it'll get the ballot out of his hands.

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That is not who we are. We would rather lose, and we are so damned good at it.

Posted by: Willard Romney at November 10, 2022 04:07 PM (Z32m1)

271 Gov. Youngkin, if his background is examined, is a very moderate R with some troubling past associations with globalist entities, but he is a damn sight better than the Clinton bag man.

Posted by: gourmand du jour, pensively at November 10, 2022 04:07 PM (jTmQV)

272 Trump is a uniquely divisive figure.

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guess so. The left has promised not to call DeSantis any bad names this time around.
Posted by: sockamster, Aos ShowRunner at November 10, 2022 04:00 PM (MLrvz)
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As you know, that is not what was said.

Posted by: Black JEM at November 10, 2022 04:07 PM (xWZcb)

273 I don't think the bottom-line number tells us anything.

I think it says that Trump is not destructive or a drag on the party as the NeverTrumpers so desperately want us to believe. I think it says a hell of a lot more than wild inventions like "Trump cost us the red wave" without a shred of evidence or logic.

I think everyone here knows that I do not like Trump personally land don't want him to run for president at 97 years old or whatever. I think he's been a useful weapon against the evil of the left, but an erratic and often regrettable one .

But the sudden "we need to Dump Trump just like the left has always said and the Bulwark told us" is just idiotic. I think he has a useful part to play if nothing other than flypaper for the left to attack.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 10, 2022 04:07 PM (Ivdso)

274 Marvel is dead! Long live the Indiana Jones Cinematic Universe!

Posted by: The Nerd Crew, brought to you by Lootcrate� at November 10, 2022 04:07 PM (h5TKJ)

275 Hey Guys! Pick me! Pick! ME!
Posted by: Dan Crenshaw eyepatch and all at November 10, 2022 04:01 PM (Z32m1)
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Didn't you have a supporting role in Dodgeball? "ARRGH!"

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at November 10, 2022 04:07 PM (F5ekr)

276 But the issue is - blues don't vote - thus harvesting, etc work for them. the reds do vote, making it more difficult. So it must be different.
Posted by: Black JEM at November 10, 2022 04:01 PM (xWZcb)

We've seen how turning up and voting in person is counterintuitively not working any longer.

Unfortunately, at least here in CA, they fucking put R all over our ballots. Wait, why should I have to go to that scanner? So basically, if you don't register as a D, your ballot ~~will~~ could wind up in a shredder or landfill. That alone should be illegal, I've got no idea why it should matter unless it's a primary (depending on state laws).

Posted by: clutch cargo - Now fortified with CPM-S90V at November 10, 2022 04:07 PM (zB/T/)

277 DeSantis has done everything you could want a conservative governor to do.

He's been the best governor, arguably, in American history.

Trump tried to move the ball to the right during his presidency and deserves credit for trying unlike Shrub but...his actual record of achievement wasn't great.

DeSantis needs to lay out a plan for getting elected and governing, but right now he is the obvious choice to head the ticket in 2024. And ideally Trump will put his ego aside and choice DeSantis's cabinet (Commerce Secretary would be a perfect role)

Posted by: 18-1 at November 10, 2022 04:08 PM (ESjRY)

278 It's worth having a President DeSantis just to see Christina Pushaw destroy the White House press.

Posted by: Mark1971 at November 10, 2022 04:08 PM (xPl2J)

279 The main issue with DeSantis is he's going to be treated exactly like Trump and we don't know how he'll handle it.
Posted by: MBung

dude, as wisrich said, he's gotten the Trump Treatment for two years. Okay, so he only got 80% of the full Trump Treatment, but of all the people in America not named Donald Trump, he is the most Trump-Tested.

Posted by: ace at November 10, 2022 04:08 PM (C1Zwz)

280 Dan Crenshaw is like those posers from Black Rifle Coffee.

They're openly mocking conservatives and gun culture, until it comes time for the important stuff, then it's neoliberal fvckery.

Posted by: McLurkerson at November 10, 2022 04:08 PM (wNDOJ)

281 Wall Stret sees the House heading to Republicans
Dow 33,715.37 up 1201.00

Posted by: SMOD at November 10, 2022 04:08 PM (RHGPo)

282 agreed including the part about us owing Trump bigly for all of this -- he did so much. None of this is possible without him.

But how much do you owe someone for a victory six years ago? Especially after six years of losses since then?

When he loses in 2024, do we owe him another shot in 2028? When does the owing end?

Posted by: ace at November 10, 2022 04:06 PM (C1Zwz)

If you're proposing an alternative you need to show the alternative. Which if DeSantis runs will happen in good time platform-wise.

But strategically, where does the GOP go without Trump specific voters? Is there any effort to keep them?

If Rs go back down to 63M votes, can they win the presidency?

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 10, 2022 04:08 PM (eYoxG)

283 I like Ron a lot. I don’t think he connects with voters at large the same way Trump did and does.

YMMV

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at November 10, 2022 04:08 PM (duNi9)

284 I'm Ike in WWII, I'm not going to fire Patton OR Bradley. And I don't have to reject DeSantis OR Trump.

And I'm going to look for even more politicians that will fight and fight.
Posted by: Oldcat

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This x 1000 ^^^^

Posted by: Prime Sister at November 10, 2022 04:08 PM (tQL7r)

285 Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at November 10, 2022 04:04 PM (pPIpD)

Trumps main strength was his ability to get his message PAST the MSM gatekeepers.

They are still all in on anti Trump stories... I see them daily... but his avenues of communication to us have been severed.

Media, and Big Tech, have way too much influence in our elections.

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 10, 2022 04:08 PM (oHd/0)

286 But he's REAL conservative.

https://tinyurl.com/5n6tfj5p
Posted by: Hylian
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Ha ha like you are?! You were all Muh 'bortions this morning, this afternoon gay-scare tactics. Shill.

Posted by: tell me why you like somebody better, not why you hate somebody at November 10, 2022 04:08 PM (rb0DY)

287 Oh, great. More murdered French girls in suitcases.

@WashTimes 3m

France will take in passengers from a migrant rescue ship who have been stranded in the Mediterranean Sea for more than two weeks after Italy refused them entry, the country's interior minister said Thursday.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 10, 2022 04:08 PM (IyrhE)

288 >>Trump is a uniquely divisive figure.

As was Bush, Reagan, McCain, Romney, Nixon, .....Lincoln.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at November 10, 2022 04:09 PM (pPIpD)

289 Also. The election was stolen in 2020. The man got 74 fucking million votes.

It’s almost like people purposefully don’t mention that when they say he lost in 20 and will lose in 24.

🤷‍♂️

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at November 10, 2022 04:09 PM (duNi9)

290 What if Katie Hobbs and Gavin Newsom had a baby?

Trick question. She would have an abortion.

Posted by: wth at November 10, 2022 04:09 PM (v0R5T)

291 MAGAts think the house is theirs and still cling to the senate.

Silly MAGAts. We are stealing all of it right under your nose.

Cry More.

Posted by: More MAGA Cope at November 10, 2022 04:09 PM (LoHfQ)

292 So all the GOP candidates besides Trump in 2015 were weak targets?

I agree with Scrutinizer. the attacks worked because we wanted to see the GOPe taken down. which is why Sundance is so desperate to pretend that DeSantis is GOPe. But that's a dumb lie and it won't work.

I mean, whatever. "Little Ronnie White Boots." Give it a shot.
Posted by: ace at November 10, 2022 04:04 PM (C1Zwz)

Not to mention, none of the other candidates had an in-built following the way Desantis does. I don't recall there being a clear cut favorite in 2015, other than maybe Cruz.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at November 10, 2022 04:10 PM (KbCG3)

293 171 ...
Correct. Anyone who insists that anything is monocausal should be dismissed as a hack.
...
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at November 10, 2022 03:58 PM (/AwhG)

Abso - effing -lutely. That is a truth I try to hammer in to people's heads, but they can't get it. But it's why actual serious experiments are CONTROLLED. That way you eliminate most of the extraneous causes. And why only monomaniacs read history like that. (Think Marx.)

I listened to the Federalist Radio Hour, and Mollie made that point. Unsurprisingly, Harsanyi didn't really get it, but couldn't dispute it. (It's unfair putting a 5th rate dweeb like that against Molly.)

Posted by: Eeyore at November 10, 2022 04:10 PM (TgBWG)

294 Posted by: JROD at November 10, 2022 04:06 PM (IlL6s)

Very perspicacious, JROD. I believe you nailed it.

Posted by: Peaches at November 10, 2022 04:10 PM (14URa)

295 And if she loses-which is highly likely- Lake ought to sue the hell out of Hobbs and her campaign and the voters for Kari Lake ought to be out in the street.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 10, 2022 04:06 PM (vH/6k)
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Hobbs is in a position that is a clear conflict of interest. If I am remembering correctly, she was called upon to recuse herself during this campaign but she refused to do so.

This should be wide open territory for litigation. It won't matter, of course - you can be sure the judge will be on the "right side" of things - but it's a really serious problem.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 10, 2022 04:10 PM (DU+/6)

296 280 Dan Crenshaw is like those posers from Black Rifle Coffee.

They're openly mocking conservatives and gun culture, until it comes time for the important stuff, then it's neoliberal fvckery.
Posted by: McLurkerson at November 10, 2022 04:08 PM (wNDOJ)

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Yes, they act like only special forces and former military know how and when to use a gun.

Posted by: Seems Legit at November 10, 2022 04:10 PM (DcKNO)

297 Trump unmasked the deep state as much as they unmasked themselves while trying to get him out of office (or thrown into prison) for the last 6 years.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at November 10, 2022 04:10 PM (F5ekr)

298 271 Gov. Youngkin, if his background is examined, is a very moderate R with some troubling past associations with globalist entities, but he is a damn sight better than the Clinton bag man.
Posted by: gourmand du jour, pensively at November 10, 2022 04:07 PM (jTmQV)

he's OK but instead of running around the country picking up chips for a run in 2024

he shoulda stayed hiis ass home and helped the house candidates in VA

Posted by: REDACTED at November 10, 2022 04:10 PM (us2H3)

299 Oh, great. More murdered French girls in suitcases.

@WashTimes 3m

France will take in passengers from a migrant rescue ship who have been stranded in the Mediterranean Sea for more than two weeks after Italy refused them entry, the country's interior minister said Thursday.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 10, 2022 04:08 PM (IyrhE)

The French will whisk them off to Blighty in a trice.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 10, 2022 04:10 PM (eoQWY)

300 Ron DeSantis raped me.

Posted by: Time Magazine's Person of the Year 2024 at November 10, 2022 04:10 PM (KFjcc)

301 281 Wall Stret sees the House heading to Republicans
Dow 33,715.37 up 1201.00
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The DOW is up cuz Deep State said Biden is winning against Inflation. Has nothing to do with D v Rs. The question is 'can the numbers be trusted?' Notice as soon as the Unemployment numbers were sort of good all of Silicon Valley started firing large numbers of their staff. These things are connected to elections.

Posted by: Puddinhead at November 10, 2022 04:10 PM (J7wri)

302 I'm Ike in WWII, I'm not going to fire Patton OR Bradley. And I don't have to reject DeSantis OR Trump.

Exactly, I see no conflict here. I can support or at least like both men. I cannot understand why it has to be a fight between the two, or if you appreciate one you have to hate the other. That feels imbecilic and childish.

France will take in passengers from a migrant rescue ship who have been stranded in the Mediterranean Sea for more than two weeks

God knows they couldn't GO BACK WHERE THEY CAME FROM or anything.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 10, 2022 04:10 PM (Ivdso)

303 Anyway, if you prefer Trump, you prefer Trump. But claiming that DeSantis is a Johnny-Come-Lately establishment liberal is just a flat-out lie. He was fighting the GOP Establishment before Trump was enmeshed in the GOP enough to even know there was a GOP Establishment to fight.
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This is completely fair and most everyone here should know better.

The problem, I think, *may* be those 'new' Trump voters, the ones that let him surge past the margin of cheat in 2016, are going to tend to be people that have been disgusted with both parties for a long time, and checked out on things like the Freedom Caucus, so if they see DeSantis palling around with the likes of JEB, they're likely to tune out.

And if Trump can't get them to show up in Congressional races, he probably can't get them to show up for someone who beats him in a primary.

Which is all moot anyway, since the margin of cheat has, as of 2020, expanded to compensate for them.

Posted by: Methos at November 10, 2022 04:10 PM (kOpft)

304 Republican congressional leadership -- proclaiming their faith in God and their moral principles while living a life of hubris, hypocrisy, and arrogance. Doesn't help sell the message.

Posted by: SFGoth at November 10, 2022 04:11 PM (KAi1n)

305 213 For everyone saying that it's too early to start this Trump vs. Desantis war, let's remember one thing: Trump started this all on his own.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at November 10, 2022 04:01 PM (KbCG3)
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I thought the first salvo was DeSantis flying out to CO to endorse O'Dea, a few days after O'Dea publicly denounced Trump and vowed to defeat him if elected. That seems like a first punch.

Posted by: MattyCO at November 10, 2022 04:11 PM (7DHQv)

306 Just a small reminder --

The longest government shutdown in history was in 2018–2019 under former President Donald Trump. That shut down lasted 35 days from December 22, 2018, to January 25, 2019.

Two points, however -- It should have gone longer, and there shouldn't have been any backpay, like there always is.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 10, 2022 04:11 PM (JOtiF)

307 We'll find out Tuesday where the battle lines are.

Posted by: davidt at November 10, 2022 04:11 PM (oTZbj)

308 289 Also. The election was stolen in 2020. The man got 74 fucking million votes.

It’s almost like people purposefully don’t mention that when they say he lost in 20 and will lose in 24.

🤷‍♂️
Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at November 10, 2022 04:09 PM (duNi9)

Yeah there's the big math problem no one likes to talk about. Let alone gaining voters, we're likely to lose some Trump voters that he had brought in by replacing him.

How does someone get to a higher number? What's the game plan?

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 10, 2022 04:11 PM (eYoxG)

309 When he loses in 2024, do we owe him another shot in 2028? When does the owing end?

Posted by: ace
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And he will lose, zero question about that.

Oz vs Fetterman is a great test of how Trump would fare against a now fully exposed, braindead Biden.

They'll give it again to braindead Biden.

Trump will be like Adlai Stevenson that just kept running even after losing two times in a row. Democrats finally said no, and only then were able to actually win.

We paid a huge price for Trump. I used to think it was "worth it", now I'm not so sure.

Posted by: Hylian at November 10, 2022 04:11 PM (dpIbY)

310 dude, as wisrich said, he's gotten the Trump Treatment for two years. Okay, so he only got 80% of the full Trump Treatment, but of all the people in America not named Donald Trump, he is the most Trump-Tested.

Posted by: ace

I think the poster has a point, but the counter point is that DeSantis is the next most media tested candidate who is not TRUMP. In essence, Trump has defined one of the criteria necessary for our candidate by exemplifying it for years. That is not to say I'm decided for Trump. I want to see what happens. Its way too fcukin early to decide. Thanks.

Posted by: tell me why you like somebody better, not why you hate somebody at November 10, 2022 04:12 PM (JuNEE)

311 How long after DeSantis becomes the front runner will he too become 'toxic' and 'needs to step aside for the good of the party'?

This is a fair point. Any GOP candidate will be demonized, and ones with actual conservative positions in particular.

But I don't think the folks who have soured on Trump think otherwise. Their point seems to be that Trump is also hindered by his unprepared, off-the-cuff, NYC-style banter. That Trump's style is an additional obstacle that puts people off quite apart from the substance, cross-over and independent voters in particular.

My point isn't to agree or disagree with that really, so much as to point out that the all-GOP-candidates-will-be-declared-toxic position doesn't really address the other side's argument.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at November 10, 2022 04:12 PM (ppBhU)

312 John Wick Chapter 4 trailer

https://tinyurl.com/yhcvzcmt

Posted by: BruceWayne at November 10, 2022 04:12 PM (MGB5H)

313 He was under attack by people pushing DeSantis before this point. Being under attack by surrogates counts.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 10, 2022 04:04 PM (eYoxG)
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Um, there is a reason why you have surrogates - so you can keep your hands clean until you need to swing yourself.

Posted by: Black JEM at November 10, 2022 04:12 PM (xWZcb)

314 The problem, I think, *may* be those 'new' Trump voters, the ones that let him surge past the margin of cheat in 2016, are going to tend to be people that have been disgusted with both parties for a long time, and checked out on things like the Freedom Caucus, so if they see DeSantis palling around with the likes of JEB, they're likely to tune out.

And if Trump can't get them to show up in Congressional races, he probably can't get them to show up for someone who beats him in a primary.

Posted by: Methos at November 10, 2022 04:10 PM (kOpft)

Yeah this is our issue. Even if Trump wanted to bring everyone who voted for him in 2020 to vote for DeSantis, he's unlikely to succeed.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 10, 2022 04:12 PM (eYoxG)

315 For various reasons, unfortunately, Democrats and then Republicans chose to abandon that bottom-up, pluralistic approach in favor of more of a winner-take-all model of governing.

Oh, I think it was for one reason only, and that was to preserve the power of the GOPe.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 10, 2022 04:12 PM (eOEVl)

316 Correct. Anyone who insists that anything is monocausal should be dismissed as a hack.
...
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at November 10, 2022 03:58 PM (/AwhG)

Abso - effing -lutely. That is a truth I try to hammer in to people's heads, but they can't get it. But it's why actual serious experiments are CONTROLLED. That way you eliminate most of the extraneous causes. And why only monomaniacs read history like that. (Think Marx.)

I listened to the Federalist Radio Hour, and Mollie made that point. Unsurprisingly, Harsanyi didn't really get it, but couldn't dispute it. (It's unfair putting a 5th rate dweeb like that against Molly.)

Posted by: Eeyore at November 10, 2022 04:10 PM (TgBWG)

Jordan Peterson discusses the hackery of single cause explanation for multivariant real world events in the famous Kathy Newman interview, its the same thing.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 10, 2022 04:12 PM (eoQWY)

317 Yes, and I alluded to it early this morning. This is cart before the horse stuff. The cheat factor is very real, and as we all see now, has been cemented into several states by way of all Democrat controlled govt's. Once the methods have been instituted, it's practically compulsory for them to cheat. How do you unwind that when they've captured all levers of state power that you need to undo it??? It's a deeply serious problem and it's only going to get worse unless it's stopped...somehow.
Posted by: Lady in Black at November 10, 2022 04:06 PM (sVtYq)

We stop it by getting better at it than the Democrats. If start challenging the Democrat results with our better results? The Democrats will decide honest elections are a better bet.

Posted by: Willard Romney at November 10, 2022 04:13 PM (Z32m1)

318 He was under attack by people pushing DeSantis before this point. Being under attack by surrogates counts.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 10, 2022 04:04 PM (eYoxG)

I mean, does it? You can't be the guy who brags about being up by 50 points in the polls and then turn around and make sure everyone knows you got more votes in Florida than the guy you're beating by 50. It's weak.

Surrogates? You're Donald F'ing Trump. Congratulate Desantis on kicking their ass and then get back to work.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at November 10, 2022 04:13 PM (KbCG3)

319 That is not who we are. We would rather lose, and we are so damned good at it.
Posted by: Willard Romney at November 10, 2022 04:07 PM (Z32m1)

Because cheating and stealing votes is who we are? That will not end well. What happens when they are taking out our canvassers? You going to do some passing velocity delivery? What Mannix is saying is we don't have a democracy. Dave in FL basically said the same thing. So, we can go their route, but we still won't have a democracy.

Posted by: WiNO - Again Fortified with Fraud at November 10, 2022 04:13 PM (EpDzw)

320 Trump-Tested.

Posted by: ace at November 10, 2022 04:08 PM (C1Zwz)

Stealing this lol..

Trump-Tested... Red Hat Approved.

Posted by: tryhardneckbeard at November 10, 2022 04:13 PM (OLVeZ)

321 The Big Lie in the Media today:

Trump is a loser. Drop him.

I agree completely about McCarthy and McConnell. They have to go.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse

////

Exactly. And why does anyone believe the media about this? Or the polls? Or the ballots? Or the votes? Who won, who lost, and why? They're lying about all of it

Posted by: Prime Sister at November 10, 2022 04:13 PM (tQL7r)

322 313 He was under attack by people pushing DeSantis before this point. Being under attack by surrogates counts.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 10, 2022 04:04 PM (eYoxG)
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Um, there is a reason why you have surrogates - so you can keep your hands clean until you need to swing yourself.

Posted by: Black JEM at November 10, 2022 04:12 PM (xWZcb)

Trump plays attack dog himself. It's not a big deal and people should stop moaning about it. It doesn't have some moral implication for either candidate.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 10, 2022 04:13 PM (eYoxG)

323 while living a life of hubris, hypocrisy, and arrogance.

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eyes roll

Posted by: sockamster, Aos ShowRunner at November 10, 2022 04:13 PM (MLrvz)

324 When he loses in 2024, do we owe him another shot in 2028?

It would be the gentlemanly thing to do.

Posted by: William Jennings Bryan at November 10, 2022 04:13 PM (ppBhU)

325 @WashTimes
France will take in passengers from a migrant rescue ship who have been stranded in the Mediterranean Sea for more than two weeks after Italy refused them entry, the country's interior minister said Thursday.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 10, 2022 04:08 PM (IyrhE)
++++
Or they could torpedo the ship for attempting violate French sovereignty.

I wonder which part of the NGO complex is paying for it. Ships are hard to hide.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 10, 2022 04:13 PM (DU+/6)

326 but of all the people in America not named Donald Trump, he is the most Trump-Tested

Yeah he hasn't faced Trump level hate and attack (I mean the FBI hasn't raided his home etc) but he has been pretty steadily attacked and targeted, and has handled it surprisingly well. Without stepping on his own tongue or late night bizarre tweets.

He's not nearly as charismatic as Trump, does not make speeches as well, and cannot work a crowd like Trump. He does not have the money Trump does to let him shrug at donor blockouts. But he does walk the walk and has faced a lot of the same fire.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 10, 2022 04:13 PM (Ivdso)

327 I've got it! I solved the problem!!

Trump and DeSantis Co-Presidents!

Posted by: Weasel at November 10, 2022 04:13 PM (Kq91K)

328 >>>Yeah there's the big math problem no one likes to talk about. Let alone gaining voters, we're likely to lose some Trump voters that he had brought in by replacing him.

I absolutely hear that and I understand there is a big problem with replacing Trump but I just don't think he can win. For me, it's a choice between gambling on a possible win or taking a sure loss.

There's also the matter of Trump just not being interested in policy and not riding herd on his people to get actual policy through. He's just not interested in details like that. He trusts people to "take care of it," and they don't, because they oppose him, and it doesn't get done.

Posted by: ace at November 10, 2022 04:13 PM (C1Zwz)

329 Yeah there's the big math problem no one likes to talk about. Let alone gaining voters, we're likely to lose some Trump voters that he had brought in by replacing him.
___

lol

Votes, and voters, do not matter anymore.

It's all about ballots, and how many are needed to put your candidate over the line.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at November 10, 2022 04:13 PM (KL6QW)

330 agreed including the part about us owing Trump bigly for all of this -- he did so much. None of this is possible without him.

But how much do you owe someone for a victory six years ago? Especially after six years of losses since then?

When he loses in 2024, do we owe him another shot in 2028? When does the owing end?

Posted by: ace

Trump and that decision is 2024.

Mitch the bitch and Franks roommate are decisions for January 2023.

Leftists and the GOPe want us to fight about trump.

I will NOT do as they command.

The bitch and Franks roommate need to go.

Posted by: Blue Hen at November 10, 2022 04:13 PM (JTRqZ)

331 Maryann or Ginger. Ducks.
Posted by: Puddinhead at November 10, 2022 04:06 PM (J7wri)
.........

Which one has on the coconut bra?

Posted by: wth at November 10, 2022 04:14 PM (v0R5T)

332 How long after DeSantis becomes the front runner will he too become 'toxic' and 'needs to step aside for the good of the party'?

If you swap leaders because Trump is "toxic" or some such you are being silly.

You swap leaders because DeSantis has been winning and Trump has not.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 10, 2022 04:14 PM (ESjRY)

333 Ted Budd, Thom Tillis and Nip Sip to the rescue.

Posted by: Golfman at November 10, 2022 04:14 PM (jZc8c)

334 "I point this out because people keep trying to claim that he's really "Establishment,.."

To be fair, Ace, a lot of that comes from the fact his lead campaign consultant is an establishment guy who worked for Christie and then Haley Barbour at the RGA. One of his partners is also another establishment guy. Then DeathSantis goes and endorses, of all people who, forget about his open loathing for Trump, had a wealth of positions that were not exactly "conservative".

That doesn't mean Deathsantis is not conservative, he's shown he's for personal liberty. But it either makes him suspect in judgment or perhaps flirting with the wrong people. Personally I think his instincts will help avoid the traps and a lot of consultants in DC have some stink on them. But there it is.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 10, 2022 04:14 PM (eacmp)

335 Sheriff’s Deputies Surround Maricopa County Tabulation Center, Perched On Roof, Barricades and Fence Set Up Around Perimeter

Posted by: SMOD at November 10, 2022 04:14 PM (RHGPo)

336 I thought the first salvo was DeSantis flying out to CO to endorse O'Dea, a few days after O'Dea publicly denounced Trump and vowed to defeat him if elected. That seems like a first punch.
Posted by: MattyCO
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That's so absurd if you really believe that.

So now if any Republican endorses DeSantis for Governor or any other office, they're the enemy?

Posted by: Hylian at November 10, 2022 04:14 PM (dpIbY)

337 What if Katie Hobbs and Gavin Newsom had a baby?

https://tinyurl.com/ya8std67

Posted by: Mark1971 at November 10, 2022 04:14 PM (xPl2J)

338 Maryann or Ginger. Ducks.
Posted by: Puddinhead at November 10, 2022 04:06 PM (J7wri)

All day, all night, Marianne
Down by the sea side siftin' sand
Even little children love Marianne
Down by the seaside siftin' sand...

Posted by: The Easy Riders at November 10, 2022 04:14 PM (R/m4+)

339 How many politicians have we fallen in love with because they governed counter to the usual establishment BS only to step out onto the national stage and do a 180? Co-opted by the establishment or establishment the whole time? Conservatism sells especially at the state level. The establishment know this. I can remember when Kasich was the flavor of the month rock ribbed conservative.

We need to stop with so called conservative media vetting our candidates. They do not ask the tough questions.

Posted by: JROD at November 10, 2022 04:14 PM (IlL6s)

340 I think until we fix the vote cheat problem, we're fooked.

Posted by: Seems Legit at November 10, 2022 04:14 PM (DcKNO)

341 Exactly. And why does anyone believe the media about this? Or the polls? Or the ballots? Or the votes? Who won, who lost, and why? They're lying about all of it
Posted by: Prime Sister at November 10, 2022 04:13 PM (tQL7r)

After 6 or so years of this bullshit people still chase the carrot... its so damned... predictable.

Posted by: tryhardneckbeard at November 10, 2022 04:14 PM (OLVeZ)

342 This pussy ass shit of OMG he attacked DeSantis......who cares. I want to see who is the meanest, rottenest sonofabitch in a gdamn fight!

Posted by: JROD at November 10, 2022 04:06 PM (IlL6s)

*gasp*

Pinkies out, my good man.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Disinformation Demon at November 10, 2022 04:14 PM (yHsuS)

343 It just occurred to me what the ideal 2024 ticket is. Jeb and Liz. That is, Bush/Cheney!

!!!

Posted by: Eeyore at November 10, 2022 04:14 PM (TgBWG)

344 when Kevin sits around with his cocao late at night, in his jammies

he probably wabably neber talks to his roomie, luntzy wuntzy

Posted by: REDACTED at November 10, 2022 04:14 PM (us2H3)

345 We paid a huge price for Trump. I used to think it was "worth it", now I'm not so sure.
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What was it then, that was "paid" ? You think his winning in 2016 prevented another republican from winning in 2016 who would have won in 2020? REEEALLLY?

If you are being honest, you never thought it was worth it. Try harder, spinner.

Posted by: tell me why you like somebody better, not why you hate somebody at November 10, 2022 04:15 PM (WH9Oy)

346 @WashTimes
France will take in passengers from a migrant rescue ship who have been stranded in the Mediterranean Sea for more than two weeks after Italy refused them entry, the country's interior minister said Thursday.

awesome, good. Giorgia Milani (is that her name?) was knocking France weeks ago for making demands that Italy accept migrants while conspicuously not taking them themselves.

Posted by: ace at November 10, 2022 04:15 PM (C1Zwz)

347 @305

>>That seems like a first punch.

See, there's always a backstory.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 10, 2022 04:15 PM (mQsqg)

348 If DeSantis leaves the governorship of FL, whose going to take over? Remember. FL is still a decisive state in national elections. And rest assured, the dem machine is licking it's lips with that prospect.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at November 10, 2022 04:15 PM (BdMk6)

349 Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 10, 2022 04:11 PM (eYoxG)

DeSantis and magic.

Jokes aside. Love Ron as Governor and everything he’s done for the most part. I don’t see Ron having the same down to earth appeal Trump still has with minorities and the working class. Maybe he’ll get there but I don’t see it now.

Kari Lake? Now I think, with the right to change my mind, could clean up if she does everything in her power to enact her agenda.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at November 10, 2022 04:15 PM (duNi9)

350 *endorses O'Dea

Posted by: Marcus T at November 10, 2022 04:15 PM (eacmp)

351 I want to see who is the meanest, rottenest sonofabitch in a gdamn fight!
Posted by: JROD at November 10, 2022 04:06 PM (IlL6s)

I always likened President to a divorce attorney. Do you want a nice guy who you'd love to have a beer with, and just wants to make sure that every side stays happy, and everything stays amicable?

Or do you want some scary-ass foul mouthed shark who you'd cross the street if you saw him on the sidewalk and just needs to be pointed at the next kill?

I really liked having Trump in attack mode. Where he totally fell down was his need to be loved by the wrong people. We aren't going to have much of a choice, so hopefully the message gets to him we hope he's learned his lesson. Making it known that Jarod is out of the picture, as well as some of his other human baggage (whether or not they are, it's the perception) and a real fresh start.

At least for me, the best case scenario is next Tuesday he thanks us for all the fish, but he's handing the torch to Ron.

Posted by: clutch cargo - Now fortified with CPM-S90V at November 10, 2022 04:15 PM (zB/T/)

352 Trump and DeSantis Co-Presidents!

My dream lineup remains Trump/DeSantis '24 and DeSantis/Lake '28/'32.

Posted by: Ian S. at November 10, 2022 04:15 PM (ZGrMX)

353 BREAKING: Construction Halted at Obama Presidential Center In Chicago Following 'Act of Hate,' Officials Say

Posted by: Mark1971 at November 10, 2022 04:15 PM (xPl2J)

354 Without a spread of evidence I think fraud as squashed a lot of voters

Posted by: Skip's phone at November 10, 2022 04:15 PM (xhxe8)

355 The longest government shutdown in history was in 2018–2019 under former President Donald Trump. That shut down lasted 35 days from December 22, 2018, to January 25, 2019.

//

interesting to remember that.

Trump's the only GOP leader to not cave within a week on a democrat shutdown. It's usually with a gop congress and dnc prez but still...

biden doesn't care about jack shit. That's the only dark brandon power. He just will do whatever he wants and will enjoy a 5 month govt shutdown

Posted by: sockamster, Aos ShowRunner at November 10, 2022 04:15 PM (MLrvz)

356 So another tease for the podcast. I will also be talking about the role of McCarthy in deliberately engineering this result in the House.

May it bite him in the ass.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 10, 2022 04:16 PM (5p7BC)

357 If Trump get's the nod. I'll happily vote for him. But I don't think he wins again. He is divisive and I don't care about it. But it's not ME that he has to convince. It's the average voter and yes, even moderate reps. Sadly you still need them to win. That's why I think Desantis has the edge. He seems to be able to be a fighter without tripping over his own dick. If both are running and Trump goes after Desantis, as someone mentioned, it will not bode well for Trump.

Posted by: Minnfidel Looking For Jackie at November 10, 2022 04:16 PM (yb11p)

358 Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 10, 2022 04:10 PM (DU+/6)

I didn't know that she refused to recuse herself earlier. Terrible.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 10, 2022 04:16 PM (vH/6k)

359 338 Maryann or Ginger. Ducks.
Posted by: Puddinhead at November 10, 2022 04:06 PM (J7wri)

All day, all night, Marianne
Down by the sea side siftin' sand
Even little children love Marianne
Down by the seaside siftin' sand...
Posted by: The Easy Riders at November 10, 2022 04:14 PM (R/m4+)
________
While others debate that, I'll be in my grass shack with both of them. I'll let them out when I'm finished, but that could be a while.

Posted by: Eeyore at November 10, 2022 04:16 PM (TgBWG)

360 DeSantis should just kill Trump with kindness. Say how much he admires what he's done and the attacks he's endured. Say how much the country could benefit from implementation of Trump's policies again and contrast them to the Democrats.

DeSantis will be president one day. Trump gets one term max and 2024 is it for him. Democrats will line up their best shot for 2024 and Trump/DeSantis 2024 would stomp the sh2t out of them. Gawd I hope it's Governor Brylcream.

Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at November 10, 2022 04:16 PM (OZjDX)

361 Conventional wisdom has finally caught up reality, circa 2012.

Posted by: Good Morning Sunday Morning at November 10, 2022 04:16 PM (1dzqn)

362 The Big Lie in the Media today:

Trump is a loser. Drop him.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse

I see. So you're going to base your opinions on what the MSM says?

Posted by: Archimedes at November 10, 2022 04:16 PM (eOEVl)

363 Sheriff’s Deputies Surround Maricopa County Tabulation Center, Perched On Roof, Barricades and Fence Set Up Around Perimeter
Posted by: SMOD at November 10, 2022 04:14 PM (RHGPo)
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Protecting the steal.

Next, Merrick Garland will start arresting people and you'll never see them again.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 10, 2022 04:16 PM (jxcJy)

364 Good governors in place doing a good job are worth 100 Presidential Candidates. Even if by some act of God DeSantis won, it is clear that he's doing more and being more effective where he is than in the Oval Office. We need 49 more Governor DeSantises, not a President DeSantis.

agree -- and good governors can help keep the concept of federalism from dying off completely

Posted by: brak at November 10, 2022 04:16 PM (j5Tg0)

365 "How many politicians have we fallen in love with..."

Zero.

And it's going to stay that way.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at November 10, 2022 04:16 PM (KL6QW)

366 Giorgia Milani (is that her name?) was knocking France weeks ago for making demands that Italy accept migrants while conspicuously not taking them themselves.

Meloni. It literally means "melon", which she apparently turned into a boob-themed campaign ad (which I haven't found video of yet).

Posted by: Ian S. at November 10, 2022 04:16 PM (ZGrMX)

367 Sheriff’s Deputies Surround Maricopa County Tabulation Center, Perched On Roof, Barricades and Fence Set Up Around Perimeter
Posted by: SMOD at November 10, 2022 04:14 PM (RHGPo)

Is the wire facing in or out?

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 10, 2022 04:17 PM (yQpMk)

368 How long after DeSantis becomes the front runner will he too become 'toxic' and 'needs to step aside for the good of the party'?

If you swap leaders because Trump is "toxic" or some such you are being silly.

You swap leaders because DeSantis has been winning and Trump has not.
==
Sort of -- you swap leaders when one of them wins the primaries. You don't swap anything because there is nothing to swap yet. And a bunch of shills hyperventilating two days after the midterm doesn't change that.

Posted by: tell me why you like somebody better, not why you hate somebody at November 10, 2022 04:17 PM (9bSJG)

369 338 Maryann or Ginger. Ducks.
Posted by: Puddinhead at November 10, 2022 04:06 PM (J7wri)

All day, all night, Marianne
Down by the sea side siftin' sand
Even little children love Marianne
Down by the seaside siftin' sand...
Posted by: The Easy Riders at November 10, 2022 04:14 PM (R/m4+)
----

What about the episode when Mary Ann hit her head and thought she was Ginger? I wish I had that one on blu-ray.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at November 10, 2022 04:17 PM (F5ekr)

370 I am so disgusted by this " election" that I can barely continue describing myself as an American. The thought of an " election month" and an additional month to count the ballots, electing brain dead people and regally dead people is a concept that should cause a revolution-but it won't. It's shameful. But I draw the line at who ever is trying to start a war between Desantis and Trump. It should be obvious to everybody that they have been trying to get rid of Trumpand if they succeed they will then focus on getting rid of desantis.

Posted by: Chillin the most at November 10, 2022 04:17 PM (0uQp2)

371 I don't think we are going to win if the argument is anyone that ever had any ties to GOPers is poison. Hell Trump gave Turtle's wife a cabinet position.

The calculus should be...what has the candidate done to advance the cause and what is is W/L ratio, yes with an understanding of the difficulty of the role.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 10, 2022 04:17 PM (ESjRY)

372 Ace why is Trump a sure loss? I don’t see it.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at November 10, 2022 04:17 PM (duNi9)

373 Sorry but Trump is too old. I love him but he's too old. I want Desantis to enter the primary and get bloody and fight

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at November 10, 2022 04:17 PM (dKiJG)

374 But DeThantith ith like Jeb! and ith going to make you all eat bugth!!!

Posted by: Thundanthe at Conthervative Threehouth at November 10, 2022 04:17 PM (0hHNz)

375 DeSantis will be president one day. Trump gets one term max and 2024 is it for him.

Why? Why is he entitled to another term? I want to win. I don't owe Trump anything. It is a privilege to be president.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 10, 2022 04:18 PM (eOEVl)

376 I am absolutely, without a shadow of a doubt, totally certain that Republicans could run a resurrected Abraham Lincoln and lose, because the Democrats will NOT allow anyone in the White House except their own party again. Not until something truly shocking and widespread happens to change our culture and politics. Like meteors hitting most of the eastern seaboard including DC.

It doesn't matter who runs for President in 2024. The Democrats win. I mean for the love of God they got a corpse elected twice now. So hard angry debates over who's better as a presidential candidate are just a waste of energy and focus. They lose. Get used to the idea.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 10, 2022 04:18 PM (Ivdso)

377 I absolutely hear that and I understand there is a big problem with replacing Trump but I just don't think he can win. For me, it's a choice between gambling on a possible win or taking a sure loss.

There's also the matter of Trump just not being interested in policy and not riding herd on his people to get actual policy through. He's just not interested in details like that. He trusts people to "take care of it," and they don't, because they oppose him, and it doesn't get done.

Posted by: ace at November 10, 2022 04:13 PM (C1Zwz)

I don't see Trump as a sure loss, since 2020 was still extremely close.

I'd like to see something for another candidate that presents better odds, especially since we'd be sacrificing the opportunity for someone to "inherit" Trump's mantle.

Like DeSantis, ok he's popular in Florida. I'm going to go out on a limb and say he's less likely than Trump to win the blue wall states. So what's his path to victory?

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 10, 2022 04:18 PM (eYoxG)

378 I'm voting for revenge in 2024. Whoever will deliver it to me gets my vote and my money.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at November 10, 2022 04:18 PM (XvPQV)

379 Trump should not have attacked DeSantis. Makes Trump look petty and self-absorbed. 2024 will be a change election. You don't run a retread in a change election.

Posted by: Ted Torgerson DeSantis/Lake 2024 at November 10, 2022 04:18 PM (vN+oL)

380 Jokes aside. Love Ron as Governor and everything he’s done for the most part. I don’t see Ron having the same down to earth appeal Trump still has with minorities and the working class. Maybe he’ll get there but I don’t see it now.

Kari Lake? Now I think, with the right to change my mind, could clean up if she does everything in her power to enact her agenda.
Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at November 10, 2022 04:15 PM (duNi9)

My problem is analyzing Trump. I'm thinking about it, but for 90% of the voters, it's all in their heart. I can't judge by rallies any longer (as we've witnessed with Joe) so it's hard to tell how the constant looking back to 2020 is really playing with the base. That was not an issue in 2020. And at least from the pundits (who are also analyzing) it's bugging them. But is it bugging Joe and Judy America?

Posted by: clutch cargo - Now fortified with CPM-S90V at November 10, 2022 04:18 PM (zB/T/)

381 Nemo - I second everything you said in your post. Michels was a disaster, and we all know why he got the nod.

Posted by: Grammie Winger at November 10, 2022 04:18 PM (45fpk)

382 For various reasons, unfortunately, Democrats and then Republicans chose to abandon that bottom-up, pluralistic approach in favor of more of a winner-take-all model of governing.

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I'm thinking the Dims do it bc their people are used to being told what to do. That's why they stick with not very bright people. Fetterman, e.g.

Posted by: Prime Sister at November 10, 2022 04:18 PM (tQL7r)

383 353 BREAKING: Construction Halted at Obama Presidential Center In Chicago Following 'Act of Hate,' Officials Say

I'm guessing someone hung up a Subway sandwich with a garage pull with a sign that said "This is footlong country" and a picture of Michelle.

Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at November 10, 2022 04:18 PM (OZjDX)

384 I think Trump gives the party the balls to fight where they otherwise would not.

Posted by: dartist at November 10, 2022 04:18 PM (9X/y4)

385 Sheriff’s Deputies Surround Maricopa County Tabulation Center, Perched On Roof, Barricades and Fence Set Up Around Perimeter
Posted by: SMOD
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Now why would they be doing that if everything is on the up and up?

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at November 10, 2022 04:18 PM (KL6QW)

386 373 Sorry but Trump is too old. I love him but he's too old. I want Desantis to enter the primary and get bloody and fight
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at November 10, 2022 04:17 PM (dKiJG)

I really don't get this. Too old for what?

You know what may be great? A guy with a few years left to live who has nothing to lose.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at November 10, 2022 04:19 PM (KbCG3)

387 Shouldn't we at least see how DeStantis fairs in a couple of debates against Trump before deciding "TRUMP MUST ABSOLUTELY BE TOSSED TO THE SIDELINES" ?

Posted by: Bach in Black at November 10, 2022 04:19 PM (7ubmG)

388 229 Need some way to exclude from party leadership, anyone who has made a substantial amount of money from insider trading, govt. contracts, or gone round the industry/govt revolving door at least once.
Posted by: PlainJane at November 10, 2022 04:02 PM (RDtcS)

That's a lot of them, and definitely their spouses in many cases, but then again you'll find lots of professional asset managers, and traders on the board of Heritage Foundation. They seem to be very representative of the donor class.

Posted by: CN at November 10, 2022 04:19 PM (Zzbjj)

389 Yes, and Scott Walker was sitting on his throne of skulls. The problem is that we've heard this sort of thing before and been burned. There's nothing wrong with being cautious about DeSantis.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - move forward at November 10, 2022 04:19 PM (5HBd1)

390 BREAKING: Construction Halted at Obama Presidential Center In Chicago Following 'Act of Hate,' Officials Say

I'm guessing someone hung up a Subway sandwich with a garage pull with a sign that said "This is footlong country" and a picture of Michelle.
Posted by: Wonkish Rogue
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LOL!

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at November 10, 2022 04:19 PM (KL6QW)

391 Gawd I hope it's Governor Brylcream.
Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at November 10, 2022 04:16 PM

Be careful what you wish for. Look at how brick fucking stupid voters are.

Posted by: Minnfidel Looking For Jackie at November 10, 2022 04:19 PM (yb11p)

392 Some sad logic:
1. I assume there is no way any Republican can win in 2024
2. So it doesn't matter.

I support Trump because he will be most entertaining and possibly most disruptive to the current order on both sides of the aisle.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at November 10, 2022 04:19 PM (pPIpD)

393 Given that the fraud machine will never, ever allow a Republican president for the foreseeable future, what is the best approach?

Focus at the local and state level. Get people elected where you are, and where you can control it, not at the federal level. Get good governors in and don't let the good ones leave their office to chase after a fantasy.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 10, 2022 04:19 PM (Ivdso)

394
As has been noted before, the Speaker needn't be a member.

I nominate Charles Taylor of Liberia. If we have the pull to land him in the PI Haaglanden, we have the pull to get him out.

And then make him Charles Taylor, Speaker of the United States House of Representatives. Also, to kill and eat whomsoever he and his family hunger for, so long as they receive a green treasury check.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 10, 2022 04:19 PM (oINRc)

395 Ace is sliding over to the Never Trump dark side.

Posted by: Paul at November 10, 2022 04:19 PM (E2Rzh)

396 378 I'm voting for revenge in 2024. Whoever will deliver it to me gets my vote and my money.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at November 10, 2022 04:18 PM (XvPQV)

CONAN / RAMBO 2024!

Posted by: tryhardneckbeard at November 10, 2022 04:19 PM (OLVeZ)

397 Maryann or Ginger. Ducks.
Posted by: Puddinhead at November 10, 2022 04:06 PM (J7wri)
.........

Well, if I have to choose one of them, I'd go with MaryAnne or Ginger over Ducks. Those beaks look mean.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 10, 2022 04:19 PM (vH/6k)

398 370 I am so disgusted by this " election" that I can barely continue describing myself as an American. The thought of an " election month" and an additional month to count the ballots, electing brain dead people and regally dead people is a concept that should cause a revolution-but it won't. It's shameful. But I draw the line at who ever is trying to start a war between Desantis and Trump. It should be obvious to everybody that they have been trying to get rid of Trumpand if they succeed they will then focus on getting rid of desantis.
Posted by: Chillin the most at November 10, 2022 04:17 PM (0uQp2)
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Agreed... and Putin, Xi, heck even Kim Jong-Un, can justifiably laugh and point fingers at how we run elections in this country.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at November 10, 2022 04:19 PM (F5ekr)

399 This is good to hear about DeSantis.

We still need about 20 more though.

Posted by: Iris at November 10, 2022 04:19 PM (NaH5I)

400 375 "DeSantis will be president one day. Trump gets one term max and 2024 is it for him."

Why? Why is he entitled to another term? I want to win. I don't owe Trump anything. It is a privilege to be president.
Posted by: Archimedes at November 10, 2022 04:18 PM (eOEVl)

Do you want DeSantis to get Trump's voters? Part of how being part of a political coalition works.

If your answer is no, it's not worth running Trump for DeSantis to get his voters, what's your plan for DeSantis to win?

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 10, 2022 04:19 PM (eYoxG)

401 Posted by: JROD at November 10, 2022 04:06 PM (IlL6s)

*gasp*

Pinkies out, my good man.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Disinformation Demon at November 10, 2022 04:14 PM (yHsuS)

I'm caucusing with you bastids.

Posted by: Peaches at November 10, 2022 04:19 PM (14URa)

402 BREAKING: Construction Halted at Obama Presidential Center In Chicago Following 'Act of Hate,' Officials Say

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What a coincidence! There were a few acts of hate in the runup to the midterms with GOP candidates homes getting shot into and white substances being mailed!

Posted by: Lady in Black at November 10, 2022 04:20 PM (sVtYq)

403 Here is the situation in AZ: when you go to play a football game, and you not only notice the refs are players on the other team, but that they also get to write the rules, you can be pretty sure its going to be a long night.

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at November 10, 2022 04:20 PM (CecP5)

404 I thought the first salvo was DeSantis flying out to CO to endorse O'Dea, a few days after O'Dea publicly denounced Trump and vowed to defeat him if elected. That seems like a first punch.
Posted by: MattyCO

Regardless of whether it was a first punch . . . .

Joe O’Dea supports abortion rights and same-sex marriage. His philosophy is simple: “You live your life, I’ll live mine.”

O'Dea calls himself a "a Republican Joe Manchin” who is willing to “work with reasonable people on both sides of the aisle."

O'Dea lost, if we're keeping track.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Disinformation Demon at November 10, 2022 04:20 PM (yHsuS)

405 271 Gov. Youngkin, if his background is examined, is a very moderate R with some troubling past associations with globalist entities, but he is a damn sight better than the Clinton bag man.
Posted by: gourmand du jour,

Yep. Not a fan but I voted for him because I thought he'd do the least amount of damage. McAwful needs to be drawn and quartered. Sadly, most of my voting is for who I think will do the least amount of damage. Everything is Broken.

Posted by: Puddleglum at work at November 10, 2022 04:20 PM (bA3Ln)

406 Like DeSantis, ok he's popular in Florida. I'm going to go out on a limb and say he's less likely than Trump to win the blue wall states. So what's his path to victory?

Why is he less likely? Many people in the squishy middle hate Trump, for good reason or bad. DeSantis doesn't have that baggage.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 10, 2022 04:20 PM (eOEVl)

407 384 I think Trump gives the party the balls to fight where they otherwise would not.
Posted by: dartist at November 10, 2022 04:18 PM (9X/y4)

Definitely shames some into it, but being addicted to the money attached to failure theater, they fought like mad against him.

Posted by: CN at November 10, 2022 04:20 PM (Zzbjj)

408 Jeannie > Marianne > Ginger.

Posted by: Golfman at November 10, 2022 04:20 PM (jZc8c)

409 but of all the people in America not named Donald Trump, he is the most Trump-Tested.

Posted by: ace

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Great turn of phrase, Ace

Posted by: Prime Sister at November 10, 2022 04:20 PM (tQL7r)

410 Trump plays attack dog himself. It's not a big deal and people should stop moaning about it. It doesn't have some moral implication for either candidate.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 10, 2022 04:13 PM (eYoxG)
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Yes he does. And he swung way too early and foolishly. Have we heard anything from "Ron" after this. Not a word. How do you beat a wild swinger. You let him tire himself out swinging wildly. And then when exhausted you nail him.

Posted by: Black JEM at November 10, 2022 04:20 PM (xWZcb)

411 Trump should not have attacked DeSantis. Makes Trump look petty and self-absorbed. 2024 will be a change election. You don't run a retread in a change election.
Posted by: Ted Torgerson DeSantis/Lake 2024 at November 10, 2022 04:18 PM (vN+oL)

I think that was a huge mistake. Especially since he's called Florida his home. Yeah, alienate Florida, Don. He should be smart enough to know that Ron is very unlikely to run if Trump throws his hat back in the ring. I have no idea why he did that, but it pissed me off, especially when there's so many other targets. And all he had to do was just say his name correctly. Easy peasy.

Posted by: clutch cargo - Now fortified with CPM-S90V at November 10, 2022 04:20 PM (zB/T/)

412 114 Assuming there is a Trump vs DeSantis primary, how does DeSantis counter the onslaught of petty insults from Trump. What's the best strategy? Especially at debates.
Posted by: WisRich at November 10, 2022 03:51 PM (G0vdT)

Anyone who runs against him will be seen as knifing him in the back for the sake of the GOPe.

Posted by: XTC at November 10, 2022 04:20 PM (UnA8+)

413 395 Ace is sliding over to the Never Trump dark side.
Posted by: Paul at November 10, 2022 04:19 PM (E2Rzh)
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I hope you're kidding, because that's next level BS.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at November 10, 2022 04:20 PM (F5ekr)

414 awesome, good. Giorgia Milani (is that her name?)
......

Meloni

Posted by: wth at November 10, 2022 04:21 PM (v0R5T)

415 Maricopa County Sheriff is a far leftwing asshole.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 10, 2022 04:21 PM (ESjRY)

416 Trump will not be allowed to become President again.

Personally, I don't want him to run. He brings too much noise and drama and hysteria. He has not learned from his mistakes. He has not been at all self reflective.

He

Can't

Win.

Posted by: nurse ratched at November 10, 2022 04:21 PM (HCL3E)

417 Jeannie > Marianne > Ginger.

At my age, its Mrs Howell. She had it all together, still looked pretty good, and is rich as hell.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 10, 2022 04:21 PM (Ivdso)

418 Honestly, I think its healthy we air out the grievances with what is obviously the predominant factions going forward in the GOP... but to do it at the behest of shit rags like Daily Mail and The Examiner... fuk that.

Posted by: tryhardneckbeard at November 10, 2022 04:21 PM (OLVeZ)

419 Biden also setting a voting record was not because Biden brought them out. Oh I know, Trump really won the popular vote it was all fraud. Nobody sane believes that.

Trump cancels out his support with who he brings out on the Dem side. Trump also is great at raising money...for Democrats.

And getting past the electoral arguments, Trump governed like a liberal. He was outbidding Dems on Covid stimulus. never fired Fauci, he didn't drain shit.

We got out of Trump what we got under Dubya Bush or any other generic Republican. A tax cut and some conservative judges.

Posted by: Hylian at November 10, 2022 04:21 PM (dpIbY)

420 Trump and DeSantis are going to need to fight it out. I wish it didn't have to be this way, but it does.

Posted by: SH (No more Roe) at November 10, 2022 04:21 PM (sX1BW)

421 I don't know what kind of president DeSantis would make, but I do like his holsters.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 10, 2022 04:21 PM (ym7CX)

422 Sheriff’s Deputies Surround Maricopa County Tabulation Center, Perched On Roof, Barricades and Fence Set Up Around Perimeter
Posted by: SMOD at November 10, 2022 04:14 PM (RHGPo)
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Protecting the steal.

Next, Merrick Garland will start arresting people and you'll never see them again.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 10, 2022 04:16 PM (jxcJy)

Welcome to last year.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 10, 2022 04:22 PM (eoQWY)

423 Do you want DeSantis to get Trump's voters? Part of how being part of a political coalition works.

If your answer is no, it's not worth running Trump for DeSantis to get his voters, what's your plan for DeSantis to win?
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 10, 2022 04:19 PM (eYoxG)
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Excellent. 2024 is done. Now I don't have to worry. WE can't win at all, whatever we do.

Posted by: Black JEM at November 10, 2022 04:22 PM (xWZcb)

424 >>>I don’t see Ron having the same down to earth appeal Trump still has with minorities and the working class. Maybe he’ll get there but I don’t see it now.

YAS this is a big question, I admit. Trump has a certain purchase with hispanics and blue collar males which I don't know that DeSantis will also have. He seems to have it in Florida, certainly, so that's a positive sign. but we don't know if it will travel to, say, the rust belt white working class.

I think some people LIKE the fact that Trump isn't very prepared and often seems to not know what he's talking about. I think they find that "authentic," and I think they find that DeSantis, by sounding like he's thought about htese things and has a canned answer about them, is "slick" and "rehearsed" and "just a politician."

Posted by: ace at November 10, 2022 04:22 PM (C1Zwz)

425
So the guy who knows what he's talking about is "dishonest" and "fake" because he knows what the fuck he's talking about, and the guy who just gets angry and shouts because he doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about is "real."

I get shoot from the hip but... these are questions of national and world importance. Is it too much to ask someone to do some homework? Does that make someone a fake geek?

Posted by: ace at November 10, 2022 04:22 PM (C1Zwz)

426 2 things I have to dispute.

1. That Trump is somehow unique in holding up to the MFM/Demo attack. Yes, they were brutal and dishonest. But I'm old enough to remember 1964. It ain't new. Every Republican gets that, and each has to find a way to handle it. One thing I have against McCain is that he seems to have expected the media to keep loving him after he clinched the nomination against The One, and then was shocked to find they said he was now a Grand Dragon of the Klan.

2. The Trump "taught us how to fight." Actually, there have been others. Cruz was doing it already, but many people just don't like him. Walker had done so, but he couldn't appeal nationwide. Gingrich had already done so, but Speaker was as far as he would go. (Actually, Kari Lake is more like Newt than the Donald.) The trick is combining fighting with other political skills.

Posted by: Eeyore at November 10, 2022 04:22 PM (TgBWG)

427 I absolutely hear that and I understand there is a big problem with replacing Trump but I just don't think he can win. For me, it's a choice between gambling on a possible win or taking a sure loss.
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Except right now its all in your head. There's a way to do an real world trial run. its called Primaries. You can match his totals to the past totals and see how it runs. We'll ALL see it. There's no point in deciding based upon a FEELING today. I mean, unless there is a point. $

Posted by: tell me why you like somebody better, not why you hate somebody at November 10, 2022 04:22 PM (vwiXB)

428 Ace ... kiddo ... the Republicans in the House are going to vote to fund the Deep State in the upcoming federal budget.

There's no POINT to having Republicans. They vote to fund exactly the same things that the Democrats vote to fund. They're going to fund Biden's $10,000 college giveaway. They're going to fund the Democrat-only federal bureaucracy. A huge part of that money will flow to Democrat candidates in laundered campaign donations.

You're trapped in here with them, kid. It's time you face it.

And you're worried about who gets front row seats to this shitshow? My God. What's the point of getting worked up about who sits where when every single Republican is literally voting against your interests?

Posted by: JamesTCarville at November 10, 2022 04:22 PM (2yPp9)

429
And then make him Charles Taylor, Speaker of the United States House of Representatives. Also, to kill and eat whomsoever he and his family hunger for, so long as they receive a green treasury check.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 10, 2022 04:19 PM (oINRc)

Either that Japanese guy or "The rent is too damn high" man.

Posted by: CN at November 10, 2022 04:22 PM (Zzbjj)

430 I honestly think if Trump is the nominee, there will be several states that will refuse to allow him on the ballot for his (non) insurrection participation from J6.

Posted by: Lady in Black at November 10, 2022 04:22 PM (sVtYq)

431 I'm guessing someone hung up a Subway sandwich with a garage pull with a sign that said "This is footlong country" and a picture of Michelle.

"What am I, chopped liver?" - Reggie

Posted by: Ian S. at November 10, 2022 04:22 PM (ZGrMX)

432 But strategically, where does the GOP go without Trump specific voters? Is there any effort to keep them?

If Rs go back down to 63M votes, can they win the presidency?

Very good question.

Posted by: DaisyB at November 10, 2022 04:22 PM (AbL8c)

433 O'Dea was Mitch's guy

and O'Dea Hates Trump

and he got curbed stomped by a moron

but does Mitch pay ,nope

Posted by: REDACTED at November 10, 2022 04:22 PM (us2H3)

434 I an as sure as the sin came up today vote fraud on a massive scale happened in 2020 and not a snow balls chance in Hell this one is purely on the up and up

Posted by: Skip's phone at November 10, 2022 04:22 PM (xhxe8)

435 395 Ace is sliding over to the Never Trump dark side.

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If one was already once for Trump, by definition, one cannot be "Never Trump."

It's more like "Sweet Jesus, not this crap again."

Posted by: Good Morning Sunday Morning at November 10, 2022 04:22 PM (1dzqn)

436 406" Like DeSantis, ok he's popular in Florida. I'm going to go out on a limb and say he's less likely than Trump to win the blue wall states. So what's his path to victory"?

Why is he less likely? Many people in the squishy middle hate Trump, for good reason or bad. DeSantis doesn't have that baggage.
Posted by: Archimedes at November 10, 2022 04:20 PM (eOEVl)

Uh, the demographics of the blue wall. Only way we can win there is with the working class. We literally don't have other candidates likely to win the blue wall states. This is the basic calculation and assumption in trading off against Trump, we give up those states to win others.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 10, 2022 04:22 PM (eYoxG)

437 383 353 BREAKING: Construction Halted at Obama Presidential Center In Chicago Following 'Act of Hate,' Officials Say

I'm guessing someone hung up a Subway sandwich with a garage pull with a sign that said "This is footlong country" and a picture of Michelle.
Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at November 10, 2022 04:18 PM (OZjDX)

LOL!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at November 10, 2022 04:23 PM (XvPQV)

438 Posted by: Paul

Speaking of random ass election clowns*

* I'm using clowns instead of the other word now.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 10, 2022 04:23 PM (IyrhE)

439 Shouldn't we at least see how DeStantis fairs in a couple of debates against Trump before deciding "TRUMP MUST ABSOLUTELY BE TOSSED TO THE SIDELINES" ?

Of course. We're talking about why we favor one candidate or another.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 10, 2022 04:23 PM (eOEVl)

440 I don't want him to run. He brings too much noise and drama and hysteria.

Yeah but as others have pointed out, that isn't really a feature of Trump but of being Not-Democrat. ANY person who runs against the Democrat becomes a storm of hate, fury, rioting, even murder. The names change, but the game is always the same, as Bill Maher said outright in 2017.

But you and I both know it doesn't matter who the Republican candidate is.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 10, 2022 04:23 PM (Ivdso)

441 283 I like Ron a lot. I don’t think he connects with voters at large the same way Trump did and does.

YMMV
Posted by: thathalfrican
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Ron reminds me of Richard Nixon. Right now he is using Cruz's strategy in 2016 to draft behind=-*/-098Trump until he tries to pass him. If he fucks up though Trump will put him into the wall maybe fucking both of them up. You are not going to get Trump to withdraw folks and you are probably not going to persuade his diehard followers to desert him for the new shiny thing.

DeSantis has won reelection and is term limited now so let them rip on each other. I do not care. May the person left standing win but I would require a pledge by all candidates that win or lose that they would support the nominee or keep their frigging mouths shut after they lose.

And the 11th Commandment bullshit was simply a political ploy by Reagan, not something to be observed for all time. Reagan did a lot of harsh criticism of Ford during his run against him and tried to submarine Nixon in 68. Ronnie for all his seeming amiability was a stone cold killer when he had to be.

Posted by: whig at November 10, 2022 04:23 PM (CXr4y)

442 My problem is analyzing Trump. I'm thinking about it, but for 90% of the voters, it's all in their heart. I can't judge by rallies any longer (as we've witnessed with Joe) so it's hard to tell how the constant looking back to 2020 is really playing with the base. That was not an issue in 2020. And at least from the pundits (who are also analyzing) it's bugging them. But is it bugging Joe and Judy America?
Posted by: clutch cargo - Now fortified with CPM-S90V at November 10, 2022 04:18 PM

Bruce Spingstein sells out big stadiums (no idea why, he sucks) But that's the point, just because you can do so does not mean everyone likes you. Trump many times is his own worst enemy. I would still vote for him. But could he win a GE? I don't think so.

Posted by: Minnfidel Looking For Jackie at November 10, 2022 04:23 PM (yb11p)

443 I think we should all write in Fetterman in 2024. It's what we deserve.

Posted by: Seems Legit at November 10, 2022 04:23 PM (DcKNO)

444 396 378 I'm voting for revenge in 2024. Whoever will deliver it to me gets my vote and my money.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at November 10, 2022 04:18 PM (XvPQV)

CONAN / RAMBO 2024!
Posted by: tryhardneckbeard

The Punisher/Paul Kersey

Posted by: Puddleglum at work at November 10, 2022 04:23 PM (bA3Ln)

445 Like DeSantis, ok he's popular in Florida. I'm going to go out on a limb and say he's less likely than Trump to win the blue wall states. So what's his path to victory?

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He's less likely to win some states (e.g., PA), but perhaps more likely to win others (e.g., NH).

Regardless, we will need to find an electoral strategy that does not include PA or MI.

Posted by: SH (No more Roe) at November 10, 2022 04:23 PM (sX1BW)

446 Hey, maybe Nancy Pelosi has a point.

She spent 6 years trying to convince me that Trump is bad for America, and I don't know about you, but she has finally convinced me.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at November 10, 2022 04:23 PM (pPIpD)

447 DeSantis also does not have Trump's animal charisma, of course, but he's not bad. Just not up to trumpian levels.

Posted by: ace at November 10, 2022 04:23 PM (C1Zwz)

448 He has not been at all self reflective.

Posted by: nurse ratched at November 10, 2022 04:21 PM (HCL3E)

I'll definitely argue that Trump has not been himself lately, he definitely fumbled the ball before it was even snapped.

That Desanctimonious quip was ill timed and ill delivered.

Posted by: tryhardneckbeard at November 10, 2022 04:23 PM (OLVeZ)

449 DeSantis not being a Johnny come lately anti-establishment MAGA guy isn't an automatic that he isn't or can't flip. That shit should only get you so far. Up to this point he has shown he MIGHT have what it takes but there's a lot more shit tests the guy has to pass. Just going oh yep, for sure this is my guy this quick is a recipe for f'ing disaster that will potentially leave you standing there with your dick in your hand. I know there's risk in everything but I'm going to vet the MF'ers enough to mitigate that risk. DeSantis has NOT been vetted enough for me just to say fuck Trump, DeSantis is the way to go in just this short of time. This falling in love like a love addled teen over these people bite us in the ass every time.

Posted by: JROD at November 10, 2022 04:23 PM (IlL6s)

450 There's also the matter of Trump just not being interested in policy and not riding herd on his people to get actual policy through. He's just not interested in details like that. He trusts people to "take care of it," and they don't, because they oppose him, and it doesn't get done.

Posted by: ace at November 10, 2022 04:13 PM (C1Zwz)
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I mentioned that last weekend in my "why I won't vote for Trump" comments.

But the biggest reason is that Trump was taken to the cleaners by the Democrats in 2020, and we got the Junta and Joey Choo-choo because of it. Biden announced their plan in advance, and Trump still got fooled. Also, thanks to Trump, we are left with a permanent Democrat "mail in vote" harvesting operation in all fifty states.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 10, 2022 04:24 PM (cFFKx)

451 And if she loses-which is highly likely- Lake ought to sue the hell out of Hobbs and her campaign and the voters for Kari Lake ought to be out in the street.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke
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Lake isn't going to lose.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 10, 2022 04:24 PM (5p7BC)

452 Who is this Hylian troll?

Posted by: Eeyore at November 10, 2022 04:24 PM (TgBWG)

453 By the way, while I'm noting the ability of DeSantis to get a cadre of loyalists behind him to clean up the Augean Stables of the Deep State, that's not to say that Trump doesn't have the same problem.

As far as I know, there has been absolutely no effort made - by anyone - to identify which potential government officials are on our side, and not the GOPe's.

Without that, folks, we're dead in the water. The best time to have planted that tree was in 2015. The second best time to do that is today.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at November 10, 2022 04:24 PM (fgev6)

454 Ron will never challenge Trump, NEVER

it would be stupid and Ron aint stupid

Posted by: REDACTED at November 10, 2022 04:24 PM (us2H3)

455 BREAKING: Construction Halted at Obama Presidential Center In Chicago Following 'Act of Hate,' Officials Say

Yeah, one of the workers left an empty bottle of Negro Modelo on a bench with a watermelon rind and a KFC bucket, and they've had a meltdown.

Posted by: clutch cargo - Now fortified with CPM-S90V at November 10, 2022 04:24 PM (zB/T/)

456 It's more like "Sweet Jesus, not this crap again."

"Our strategy is working!"
--The Establishment left

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 10, 2022 04:24 PM (Ivdso)

457 I thought the first salvo was DeSantis flying out to CO to endorse O'Dea, a few days after O'Dea publicly denounced Trump and vowed to defeat him if elected. That seems like a first punch.
Posted by: MattyCO at November 10, 2022 04:11 PM (7DHQv)

Has Senator-Elect O'Dea changed his position yet?

Posted by: rd at November 10, 2022 04:24 PM (Z32m1)

458 O'Dea tried to out-Democrat the Democrat. People chose the real Democrat.

Most of us have seen that movie before. It ended badly. DeSantis hasn't.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 10, 2022 04:24 PM (eacmp)

459 The best thing that could happen is Trump sits back for a while, and then endorses DeSantis. Can DJT be that perceptive?

Posted by: fd at November 10, 2022 04:24 PM (sn5EN)

460 425
So the guy who knows what he's talking about is "dishonest" and "fake" because he knows what the fuck he's talking about, and the guy who just gets angry and shouts because he doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about is "real."

I get shoot from the hip but... these are questions of national and world importance. Is it too much to ask someone to do some homework? Does that make someone a fake geek?
Posted by: ace at November 10, 2022 04:22 PM (C1Zwz)

We're trying to win votes for an election not points in a debate. Doesn't do much good to whine about the electorate.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 10, 2022 04:24 PM (eYoxG)

461 There will never be another Trump. Ever.

Posted by: Seems Legit at November 10, 2022 04:25 PM (DcKNO)

462 Calling Ace or others here arguing for someone else right now a NeverTrumper is stupid.

If Trump wins the R primary would I vote for him in the general? Hell yes.

But I think we'd do better with DeSantis at winning the presidency and getting conservative policy implemented. In fact I think there is a role for Trump in a DeSantis administration if he'd take it.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 10, 2022 04:25 PM (ESjRY)

463 Why does everybody seem to thing the House is in the bag, but the Senate is not?

From where I'm sitting, 210 House races have been called R, but we need 8 more.

AK-01 is a definite win - and probably Sarah Palin.

The R is up 2.3% in MD-06, with 99% reporting, so I don't know why THAT hasn't been called.

So maybe that's 2 of the 8 needed. Still need 6 more.

Republicans are ahead in only 9 of the remaining races (maybe add one for Boehbert). It seems like the counting in all remaining races has stopped - WHICH MEANS THEY'RE BEING STOLEN.

So tell me again how the House is in the bag?

In contrast, AK puts the Senate up to 50, while NV is looking more like a win all the time (and AZ and GA remain possibilities).

Posted by: Optimizer at November 10, 2022 04:25 PM (hOOi9)

464
Either that Japanese guy or "The rent is too damn high" man.
Posted by: CN at November 10, 2022 04:22 PM (Zzbjj)

Sure, those guys *seem* great.

But who has the proven record of indiscriminate kill-crazy tribal violence and cannibalism?

Taylor, that's who.

Vote Taylor, for America.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 10, 2022 04:25 PM (oINRc)

465 Maryann or Ginger. Ducks.
Posted by: Puddinhead at November 10, 2022 04:06 PM (J7wri)
.........

Well, if I have to choose one of them, I'd go with MaryAnne or Ginger over Ducks. Those beaks look mean.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 10, 2022 04:19 PM (vH/6k)
........

Plus, all that quacking would drive me crazy.

Posted by: wth at November 10, 2022 04:25 PM (v0R5T)

466 After all, we aren't the ones saying things like "Ace is sliding over to the Never Trump dark side. ".

Also, Uh, the demographics of the blue wall. Only way we can win there is with the working class. We literally don't have other candidates likely to win the blue wall states.

DeS just won FL by a huge margin, a large percentage of which must mathematically have come from the working class. This assertion that Trump, and ONLY TRUMP, can appeal to the working class is based on nothing.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 10, 2022 04:25 PM (eOEVl)

467 Who is this Hylian troll?
Posted by: Eeyore

I don't know. Who is your butt buddy?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 10, 2022 04:25 PM (IyrhE)

468 443 I think we should all write in Fetterman in 2024. It's what we deserve.
Posted by: Seems Legit at November 10, 2022 04:23 PM (DcKNO)
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100% agree.

Posted by: The future Fetterman Junta at November 10, 2022 04:25 PM (F5ekr)

469 >>>Like DeSantis, ok he's popular in Florida. I'm going to go out on a limb and say he's less likely than Trump to win the blue wall states. So what's his path to victory?

you guys keep thinking about 2016

we've had three elections since then, you know

Posted by: ace at November 10, 2022 04:25 PM (C1Zwz)

470 383 353 BREAKING: Construction Halted at Obama Presidential Center In Chicago Following 'Act of Hate,' Officials Say

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"Investigators followed a trail of bean pie crumbs and colostomy bag leakage from the scene to the Hyde Park residence of one 'Calypso' Louis Farrakhan."

Posted by: Good Morning Sunday Morning at November 10, 2022 04:25 PM (1dzqn)

471 Who is this Hylian troll?

Nevertrumper who showed up recently. In pay of the Dispatch? Who knows. He has a real cuckshed feel though.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 10, 2022 04:25 PM (Ivdso)

472 Lake isn't going to lose.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 10, 2022 04:24 PM (5p7BC)
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I hope you are right but, right or wrong, I'm very happy to hear the confident tone.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 10, 2022 04:26 PM (cFFKx)

473 BREAKING: Construction Halted at Obama Presidential Center In Chicago Following 'Act of Hate,' Officials Say

The plans were changed so the building is shaped like a dick and balls?

Posted by: Ian S. at November 10, 2022 04:26 PM (ZGrMX)

474 Samantha (Bewitched) >Jeannie > Marianne > Ginger.

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko Solutions at November 10, 2022 04:26 PM (UJJTo)

475 Here's the problem...we who live in BLUE states are surrounded by friends/family/neighbors who complain about Trump, say he's toxic or whatever. So we think to ourselves, "HE CAN'T WIN, OMG@!"

The problem with that is that Trump doesn't need NY, CA, CO, etc. He NEEDS AZ, GA, WI, MI, OH, etc.

Posted by: MattyCO at November 10, 2022 04:26 PM (7DHQv)

476 Obama's "library" is in Chicago???

Good, as things are going, no one will ever visit.

Posted by: Seems Legit at November 10, 2022 04:26 PM (DcKNO)

477 I voted for Trump twice and will do so again, but has Trump ever actually done anything for the Jan. 6 protesters who walked through a building.

Posted by: Glenn John at November 10, 2022 04:26 PM (M3hSG)

478 We've been all thru this, but no longer have Cruz or that other guy (what was his name anyway) to start with.

Posted by: fd at November 10, 2022 04:26 PM (sn5EN)

479 Uh, the demographics of the blue wall. Only way we can win there is with the working class. We literally don't have other candidates likely to win the blue wall states. This is the basic calculation and assumption in trading off against Trump, we give up those states to win others.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy
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This. You want to win GOP, you have to win the white and hispanic working class which means your typical feed the corporate hogs and starve the peasants at budget time such as social security or medicare cuts won't play unless you aim those safety net cuts at the wealthy.

Posted by: whig at November 10, 2022 04:26 PM (CXr4y)

480 "In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way" - The Uniparty.

Posted by: Brando at November 10, 2022 04:26 PM (R5FXF)

481 If DeSantis leaves the governorship of FL, whose going to take over?

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I think Byron Donalds would crush it.

Posted by: McLurkerson at November 10, 2022 04:26 PM (wNDOJ)

482 The left and the GOPe want to get rid of Trump cuz he has charisma

and charisma kills

Posted by: REDACTED at November 10, 2022 04:26 PM (us2H3)

483 All this Trump v DeSantis stuff and its like people never even heard of Larry Hogan.

Posted by: blaster at November 10, 2022 04:27 PM (pwExq)

484 Why is he less likely? Many people in the squishy middle hate Trump, for good reason or bad. DeSantis doesn't have that baggage.
Posted by: Archimedes
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I know too many Republicans that wont vote Trump, they did vote for him in 2016 because they hated Hillary and were seething at 8 years of Obama but then abandoned him.

Actual swing voters aren't even a "maybe" anymore.

And as angry as you want to get at these people, they aren't going to bend to your will.

2016 was an anomaly and too many people think we can replicate it with Trump again. We can't.

It's like saying why not do George HW Bush again? He beat Dukakis like a rented mule and even won states like CA and NJ. Things have changed.

Posted by: Hylian at November 10, 2022 04:27 PM (dpIbY)

485 408 Jeannie > Marianne > Ginger.
Posted by: Golfman at November 10, 2022 04:20 PM (jZc8c)

Catwoman > Jeanie > Marianne > Ginger

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 10, 2022 04:27 PM (oHd/0)

486 I think some people LIKE the fact that Trump isn't very prepared and often seems to not know what he's talking about. I think they find that "authentic," and I think they find that DeSantis, by sounding like he's thought about htese things and has a canned answer about them, is "slick" and "rehearsed" and "just a politician."
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Let's be real. It doesn't matter why people like one vs the other. It matters if they will VOTE for them or not. We find that out by having primaries. Just because you have a notion in your head that some people are attracted to a possible candidate for declasse reasons is kinda nevertrumpy reasoning. I mean, I'm sure you have other reasons to be down on Trump. I know I do. He's got vax baggage. That's why I want to see how the primaries go.

Posted by: tell me why you like somebody better, not why you hate somebody at November 10, 2022 04:27 PM (N1ZmI)

487 He

Can't

Win.

I'll correct you: as in 2020, he won't be allowed to win. He won the vote last time, he lost the count.

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at November 10, 2022 04:27 PM (CecP5)

488 395 Ace is sliding over to the Never Trump dark side.

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If one was already once for Trump, by definition, one cannot be "Never Trump."

It's more like "Sweet Jesus, not this crap again."
Posted by: Good Morning Sunday Morning at November 10, 2022 04:22 PM

Can't someone state their preference of someone other than Trump without being labeled a Never Trumper?

Posted by: Minnfidel Looking For Jackie at November 10, 2022 04:27 PM (yb11p)

489 469 >>>Like DeSantis, ok he's popular in Florida. I'm going to go out on a limb and say he's less likely than Trump to win the blue wall states. So what's his path to victory?

you guys keep thinking about 2016

we've had three elections since then, you know
Posted by: ace at November 10, 2022 04:25 PM (C1Zwz)

Demographics haven't changed that much. Without strong working class appeal, the Rs don't have a chance up there. Maybe we don't have a chance even with it, but what states do you aim for then?

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 10, 2022 04:27 PM (eYoxG)

490 TheTruthAboutGuns: TSA Finds Gun Hidden Inside Florida Woman’s Chicken

https://tinyurl.com/27jj9huh

Via Instapundit

Posted by: Robert at November 10, 2022 04:27 PM (1Yy3c)

491 If the R's fail to do anything about this "mail in" shit show, it won't matter who they run.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 10, 2022 04:27 PM (ym7CX)

492 This falling in love like a love addled teen over these people bite us in the ass every time.
Posted by: JROD at November 10, 2022 04:23 PM (IlL6s)

I'd agree with you but it's not like Desantis just gave a rousing speech at the RNC or made some slick commercial. He's done a lot in a lot of ways, including expanding a slim win in 2016 to a landslide in 2020.

That said, I'm all for letting the chips fall.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at November 10, 2022 04:27 PM (KbCG3)

493 Russian President Vladimir Putin’s former KGB mentor and one-time crony, who later became an outspoken critic, has died from an unexplained “serious illness,” officials said. Viktor Cherkesov, 72, died in St. Petersburg Tuesday night, according to a Telegram post by Alexander Khinstein, chairman of the State Duma Committee on Information Policy.

.. “serious illness” ? at least he stayed away from the windows

Posted by: SMOD at November 10, 2022 04:27 PM (RHGPo)

494 2016 is not our only data point, there are three more more recent ones, please include those as well

I know that the In the Hall of the Mountain King montage is great and believe me, I watched it about 50 times myself, but you can't keep insisting the nation is as it was in 2016. Trump's ability to win the blue wall states is now highly contestable.

You can't keep saying "Trump can win the blue states and DeSantis can't." When did Trump last win the blue states?

Posted by: ace at November 10, 2022 04:27 PM (C1Zwz)

495 462 Calling Ace or others here arguing for someone else right now a NeverTrumper is stupid.

If Trump wins the R primary would I vote for him in the general? Hell yes.

But I think we'd do better with DeSantis at winning the presidency and getting conservative policy implemented. In fact I think there is a role for Trump in a DeSantis administration if he'd take it.
Posted by: 18-1 at November 10, 2022 04:25 PM (ESjRY)
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I would also like to get back to a White House that doesn't make all national policy by fiat (ala E.O.s).

Posted by: The future Fetterman Junta at November 10, 2022 04:28 PM (F5ekr)

496 "Our strategy is working!"
--The Establishment left

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“I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: Oh Lord, make my enemies ridiculous. And God granted it." -- Voltaire, on Trump

Posted by: Good Morning Sunday Morning at November 10, 2022 04:28 PM (1dzqn)

497 /sock off

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at November 10, 2022 04:28 PM (F5ekr)

498 ... DeSantis has won reelection and is term limited now so let them rip on each other. I do not care. May the person left standing win but I would require a pledge by all candidates that win or lose that they would support the nominee or keep their frigging mouths shut after they lose. ...
Posted by: whig at November 10, 2022 04:23 PM (CXr4y)
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That's SOP. RNC money and polling come with strings, and the big string is "you throw your weight behind the winner after this shakes out." There was much drama about this in 2016, all directed at Trump because everyone feared that he wouldn't. He agreed to do it.

In the aftermath of his primary win, the only former candidate I saw holding up his end of the agreement was Ted Cruz. I was not a Cruz guy during the primary and I didn't like him much, but he was the only one I saw doing what he promised he would do. Cruz pounded the pavement for Trump after the primary was over. He rose several notches in my estimation after that. I still don't like him for president, but he's the only other candidate I am aware of that didn't prove to be an utter piece of shit that welshed on his agreements.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 10, 2022 04:28 PM (DU+/6)

499 All this Trump v DeSantis stuff and its like people never even heard of Larry Hogan.

LOLOLOL. Hogan put out a statement yesterday that now that Republicans hate Trump he's happy to be the clear frontrunner or some such. He's such an idiot.

Posted by: Ian S. at November 10, 2022 04:28 PM (ZGrMX)

500 O'Dea was Mitch's guy

and O'Dea Hates Trump

and he got curbed stomped by a moron

but does Mitch pay ,nope
Posted by: REDACTED

Leave my boyfriend alone!!!

Posted by: Sen Coke bear at November 10, 2022 04:28 PM (JTRqZ)

501 481 If DeSantis leaves the governorship of FL, whose going to take over?

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I think Byron Donalds would crush it.

Posted by: McLurkerson at November 10, 2022 04:26 PM (wNDOJ)

I'd love it if RDS will anoint someone to take his place, if he really is going to try to run in '24. Donalds would be great. He'd be the anti-Gillum.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at November 10, 2022 04:28 PM (fgev6)

502 And as angry as you want to get at these people, they aren't going to bend to your will.

Posted by: Hylian at November 10, 2022 04:27 PM (dpIbY)

Say this to yourself in a mirror. The voters Trump brought in are not traditionally Republican and consequently not very attached to the R party at this point.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 10, 2022 04:28 PM (eYoxG)

503 The remaining outstanding ballots in AZ are going to lean at least 60-40 republican. Kerry Lake will win. Masters has a tougher route to victory though

Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at November 10, 2022 04:29 PM (flINI)

504 Who is this Hylian troll?

Nevertrumper who showed up recently. In pay of the Dispatch? Who knows. He has a real cuckshed feel though.
==
rolls through around election time. Like its a job. IYKWIMAITTYD.

Posted by: tell me why you like somebody better, not why you hate somebody at November 10, 2022 04:29 PM (rb0DY)

505 Plus, all that quacking would drive me crazy.
Posted by: wth at November 10, 2022 04:25 PM (v0R5T)

Well done!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 10, 2022 04:29 PM (vH/6k)

506 I voted for Trump twice and will do so again, but has Trump ever actually done anything for the Jan. 6 protesters who walked through a building.
Posted by: Glenn John
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He condemned them, threw them under the bus, refused to pardon any of them, then claimed he never had anything to do with them being there in the first place.

Posted by: Hylian at November 10, 2022 04:29 PM (dpIbY)

507 People are tired of Trump's "charisma". Not saying RDS does not have any, but Trump's brand of charisma comes with some awful , ugly baggage. Reagan had charisma, his brand was not destructive, like Trump's.

Posted by: runner at November 10, 2022 04:29 PM (bdYma)

508 Ron will never challenge Trump, NEVER

it would be stupid and Ron aint stupid
Posted by: REDACTED at November 10, 2022 04:24 PM (us2H3)
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He might not run against him, but this debate we are having is encouraged by the DeSantis team. Don't kid yourself, they are hoping to convince PDJT not to run. And, after Tuesday and after 2020, they are right to do so.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 10, 2022 04:29 PM (cFFKx)

509 I know there's risk in everything but I'm going to vet the MF'ers enough to mitigate that risk. DeSantis has NOT been vetted enough for me just to say fuck Trump, DeSantis is the way to go in just this short of time. This falling in love like a love addled teen over these people bite us in the ass every time.

Just out of curiosity, did you vote for Trump in '16? You know, before he had ANY governing experience?

Posted by: Archimedes at November 10, 2022 04:29 PM (eOEVl)

510 @426 Eeyore-Wrong. There is nobody in this party that has stooped to Trumps level ridiculing these assholes on the left. Mocking Nancy Pelosi, calling that one asshole a pencil neck and on and on. NOBODY has done that. Trump is the first to fight like the nasty sonofabitch you have to be. THIS IS WHY PEOPLE LOVE HIM. Period!!! He's ham fisted, clumsy, bull in a china shop but he is willing to do what Cruz and everyone would never do. Mock and ridicule and call them out for how evil they are and how much they hate you. Nothing like that has EVER escaped from a Republican or conservatives mouth that is a politician.

Posted by: JROD at November 10, 2022 04:29 PM (IlL6s)

511 Can't someone state their preference of someone other than Trump without being labeled a Never Trumper?

I suppose its how its done. If you say all positive things about someone else and how you prefer them, yes.

If you spend your time attacking Trump constantly and often with falsehoods (like Hylian does), then no.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 10, 2022 04:29 PM (Ivdso)

512 There's also the matter of Trump just not being interested in policy and not riding herd on his people to get actual policy through. He's just not interested in details like that. He trusts people to "take care of it," and they don't, because they oppose him, and it doesn't get done.

Posted by: ace

Extremely Wealthy Boomers and Silents behave this way. The don't care how bad the "job" gets fucked up nor who gets hurt as long as it "gets done".

Posted by: She screams Yasssss when you bottom out. at November 10, 2022 04:29 PM (qu6IK)

513 Trump has turned off (R) voters unnecessarily. I know this for a fact because people very close to me refuse to vote for him again, after voting for him 2016. Call these voters RINOs, squishes, F-ing idiots or whatnot, that's fine. I find most of their arguments against Trump stupid. That does not change the fact that they will never vote for the guy, and that's bad.

When Trump called him Ron DeSanctimonious right before the election, I thought - WTF is this guy doing? Has he really not learned any lessons from the past? Is he going to surround himself with backstabbing dumbasses like his last administration? The man is his own worst enemy sometimes. I'll vote for him in a heartbeat if he is the nominee, but will I vote for him in a primary? Not necessarily.

Posted by: Colonel Travis at November 10, 2022 04:29 PM (RG7Wy)

514 I think we should all write in Fetterman in 2024. It's what we deserve.
Posted by: Seems Legit at November 10, 2022 04:23 PM (DcKNO)

Fetterman/Fentanyl 2024! A Lump On Every Neck And A Pipe in Every Mouth!

Posted by: Democrat Layabout Moocher at November 10, 2022 04:29 PM (R/m4+)

515 The very reason people are starting to associate DeSantis with the GOPe is because they're acting on his behalf. And he hasn't distanced himself from this activity. It's natural for people to make that connection.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 10, 2022 04:05 PM (eYoxG)

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Yeah, I think Sundance over CTH has been mocking some of the DeSantis "coveted endorsements" -- people like Paul Ryan, Jeb!, David Frum, Chris Christie, and even Alex Jones.

Stuff like that could hurt him, but one could argue that that's the intent -- NeverTrump is just using DeSantis to bash Trump ... for now, and before they turn on him.

Posted by: ShainS -- The Humiliation is Part of the Kink at November 10, 2022 04:29 PM (XX92M)

516 458 O'Dea tried to out-Democrat the Democrat. People chose the real Democrat.
Posted by: Marcus T at November 10, 2022 04:24 PM (eacmp)
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This! Watched this movie before in CA back in the day. You'll NEVER out-Democrat the Democrat. They will always promise more.

Posted by: MattyCO at November 10, 2022 04:29 PM (7DHQv)

517 When someone claims to be a servant of God, but, in actuality, he uses that religious cloak to provide himself a tax benefit for his true-identity: Slum Lord, I’m thinking I would gleefully vote against him. JMHO.

Posted by: EveR at November 10, 2022 04:29 PM (EZeuH)

518 If the R's fail to do anything about this "mail in" shit show, it won't matter who they run.

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The red states definitely need to foritfy their states and create protections (i.e., voting restrictions) that will remain as those states receive more and more transplants. There is a long game to play too.

Posted by: SH (No more Roe) at November 10, 2022 04:30 PM (sX1BW)

519 454 Ron will never challenge Trump, NEVER

it would be stupid and Ron aint stupid
Posted by: REDACTED at November 10, 2022 04:24 PM (us2H3)

Pretty much this, also, if you know 2024 is going to end up being rigged against you while going against an Incumbent President, an incredibly corrupt and powerful incumbent... why tarnish when you can polish in the time being?

There is also the added bonus of having big money being slid into your pocket while everyone is fapping in anticipation.

If Ron is a Real Politician, he'll wait. Let Trump go again, probably lose, scream to the heavens about cheating again and we'll all remind ourselves about the story of The Boy That Cried Wolf.

Posted by: tryhardneckbeard at November 10, 2022 04:30 PM (OLVeZ)

520 The Trump "taught us how to fight." Actually, there have been others. Cruz was doing it already, but many people just don't like him.

The dislike for Cruz is largely an artifact of his father's involvement in Kennedy's assassination. Cruz is thought to be a chip off the ol' homicidal block. But it's not fair. He's Lyin' Ted, not Murderin' Ted.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at November 10, 2022 04:30 PM (ppBhU)

521 By the way, while I'm noting the ability of DeSantis to get a cadre of loyalists behind him to clean up the Augean Stables of the Deep State, that's not to say that Trump doesn't have the same problem.

As far as I know, there has been absolutely no effort made - by anyone - to identify which potential government officials are on our side, and not the GOPe's.

Without that, folks, we're dead in the water. The best time to have planted that tree was in 2015. The second best time to do that is today.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at November 10, 2022 04:24 PM (fgev6)

If "our" people are publicly identified? They will get the Trump Treatment, and without the assets that Trump has to protect himself. They will become enemies of the Democrats, the Deep State, and the GOP Establishment. They will be destroyed.

Posted by: rd at November 10, 2022 04:30 PM (Z32m1)

522 The GOP establishment supports DeSantis to stop Trump even though they hate him the same way they supported Cruz to stop Trump even though they hate him.

Therefore with DeSantis vs. Trump, DeSantis is the establishment.

That is simply what is.

Don't believe me, check Twitter. The entire rogues' gallery of establishment on both sides wants Trump gone.

Or just read this, lol. I wanted to just post the Twitter links but your "use tinyurl" deal forced my hand.

https://dailystormer.in/ cernovich-leads-shill-revolution-for-ron-desantis/

Whether DeSantis wants to be or not (and I think he does), if he runs against Trump he now becomes the establishment.

He's a swell Governor, but a few not insane moves on Covid and a few modest rollbacks on trannies do not an anti-establishment warrior make. Trump is still the scalp and DeSantis is about to help the establishment take it.

Posted by: It's Thursday at November 10, 2022 04:30 PM (uZNbz)

523 Plus , Reagan had a vision. Trump only has slogans.

Posted by: runner at November 10, 2022 04:30 PM (bdYma)

524 490 TheTruthAboutGuns: TSA Finds Gun Hidden Inside Florida Woman’s Chicken

https://tinyurl.com/27jj9huh

Via Instapundit
Posted by: Robert at November 10, 2022 04:27 PM (1Yy3c)
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And somehow this is linked to the Mary Ann, Ginger, or Duck discussion further up.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at November 10, 2022 04:30 PM (F5ekr)

525 476 Obama's "library" is in Chicago???

Good, as things are going, no one will ever visit.
Posted by: Seems Legit

All those copies of ESPN the Magazine and his NCAA pics and nobody to see them. Sad.

Posted by: Puddleglum at work at November 10, 2022 04:30 PM (bA3Ln)

526 Fetterman won't last 6 months

But then wrong so far on Sundowner stroking out.
All they need Is a vote, that's all he is there for

Posted by: Skip's phone at November 10, 2022 04:30 PM (xhxe8)

527 Demographics haven't changed that much.

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This might not be true. The election showed that there might have been a lot of geographical self-sorting.

Posted by: McLurkerson at November 10, 2022 04:30 PM (wNDOJ)

528 You can't keep saying "Trump can win the blue states and DeSantis can't." When did Trump last win the blue states?
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More recently than DeSantis.

Was that serious or a goof?

Posted by: tell me why you like somebody better, not why you hate somebody at November 10, 2022 04:30 PM (LgF/l)

529 494 2016 is not our only data point, there are three more more recent ones, please include those as well

I know that the In the Hall of the Mountain King montage is great and believe me, I watched it about 50 times myself, but you can't keep insisting the nation is as it was in 2016. Trump's ability to win the blue wall states is now highly contestable.

You can't keep saying "Trump can win the blue states and DeSantis can't." When did Trump last win the blue states?
Posted by: ace at November 10, 2022 04:27 PM (C1Zwz)

It's not that Trump will win those states, it's that he's the only one with a shot there.

Assuming we cede those states, take them off the table for a hypothetical DeSantis path, what is the DeSantis path? Need to be comparing the DeSantis path to the Trump path.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 10, 2022 04:30 PM (eYoxG)

530 OPPS- looks like I through the troll some red meat.

Posted by: Glenn John at November 10, 2022 04:30 PM (M3hSG)

531 >>>488 395 Ace is sliding over to the Never Trump dark side.

the constant bullying and attempts to submit people to your force of will is Trump thing that only works for Trump and it works less and less for Trump. I know you want to emulate your hero but it won't work for you. You're not a billionaire and you have nothing you can hold over me.

You're a clown.

Posted by: ace at November 10, 2022 04:30 PM (C1Zwz)

532 How do you pardon people that haven't been tried yet?

Posted by: fd at November 10, 2022 04:30 PM (sn5EN)

533 I do happen to think that Trump is a drag on the party

Dragging them, kicking and screaming. All they have to do is shut up.

Posted by: t-bird at November 10, 2022 04:31 PM (HjfVN)

534 Samantha (Bewitched) >Jeannie > Marianne > Ginger.
Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko Solutions at November 10, 2022 04:26 PM (UJJTo)
++++
Elizabeth Montgomery was a top-tier smokeshow.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 10, 2022 04:31 PM (DU+/6)

535 He NEEDS AZ, GA, WI, MI, OH, etc.
Posted by: MattyCO at November 10, 2022 04:26 PM (7DHQv)
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He won't get WI or MI.
PA is out.
GA not likely but possible.

Posted by: WisRich at November 10, 2022 04:31 PM (G0vdT)

536 @509 Archimedes-Yes I voted for Trump in 16. Lifelong conservative whose family actively campaigned and fund raised from Goldwater to Reagan.This shit ain't new to me.

Posted by: JROD at November 10, 2022 04:31 PM (IlL6s)

537 Isn't the real question here not between Trump or DeSantis but who would the Republican party, the GOP go to the mat for against the Democrats and really try to out-steal the next election?

It might not be either of those men.

Which is a real problem with the GOP.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 10, 2022 04:31 PM (Q4IgG)

538 Plus , Reagan had a vision. Trump only has slogans.
Posted by: runner

Read that back to yourself a few times.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 10, 2022 04:31 PM (IyrhE)

539 The sheriff's department is protecting a steal for Hobbs. Arizona turns blue at gunpoint.

Posted by: CN at November 10, 2022 04:31 PM (Zzbjj)

540 >>>
It's not that Trump will win those states, it's that he's the only one with a shot there.

well I mean, obviously, this is pure supposition on your part. As someone already said, you don't win 60% of a state without bringing over most of the working class.

Posted by: ace at November 10, 2022 04:31 PM (C1Zwz)

541
blah blah blah trump's bad vote for this guy or vote for that guy trump's great and it'll all get better somehow if we do this or that yadda yadda yadda

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 10, 2022 04:32 PM (oINRc)

542 523 Plus , Reagan had a vision. Trump only has slogans.
Posted by: runner at November 10, 2022 04:30 PM (bdYma)

yeah and RR took Bush for his VP

how nice of him

Posted by: REDACTED at November 10, 2022 04:32 PM (us2H3)

543 but of all the people in America not named Donald Trump, he is the most Trump-Tested.

Posted by: ace

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Great turn of phrase, Ace
Posted by: Prime Sister at November 10, 2022 04:20 PM (tQL7r)

Yes, and I appreciate the information about DeSantis' conservative credits that I didn't know.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 10, 2022 04:32 PM (eoQWY)

544 To be honest, I am not on either team. I am just throwing out counter arguments.

My hope is that they could work together though as others said above. I am really not emotional about Trump, but I am emotional about the seeming conspiracy to throw him under the bus.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at November 10, 2022 04:32 PM (pPIpD)

545 How do you pardon people that haven't been tried yet?

Posted by: fd at November 10, 2022 04:30 PM (sn5EN)

With a pen

Posted by: Gerald R Ford at November 10, 2022 04:32 PM (xPl2J)

546 When did Trump last win the blue states?

2020: he solidly won the vote in every state he won the vote in 2016. He however did lose the count in a number of those states.

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at November 10, 2022 04:32 PM (CecP5)

547 He's a swell Governor, but a few not insane moves on Covid and a few modest rollbacks on trannies do not an anti-establishment warrior make. Trump is still the scalp and DeSantis is about to help the establishment take it.

Posted by: It's Thursday at November 10, 2022 04:30 PM (uZNbz)

___________
You're either lying, or ignorant.

30 seconds on even Google proves this.

Get thee back to CTH.

Posted by: McLurkerson at November 10, 2022 04:32 PM (wNDOJ)

548 Cruz was doing it already, but many people just don't like him.

No, Cruz showed us how to talk, then betray his people by voting to give Capitol Police a medal for murdering someone and calling January 6th protesters "terrorists". Somehow I cannot find it in my heart to ignore that because I like the way he talks.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 10, 2022 04:32 PM (Ivdso)

549 Read that back to yourself a few times.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 10, 2022 04:31 PM (IyrhE)

Don't know what you're talking about, dude.

Posted by: runner at November 10, 2022 04:32 PM (bdYma)

550 Red Turban Guy, would your feelings change about DeSantis if you heard him start talking about bringing jobs back to America and fair trade?

Posted by: ace at November 10, 2022 04:32 PM (C1Zwz)

551 Plus , Reagan had a vision. Trump only has slogans.
Posted by: runner at November 10, 2022 04:30 PM (bdYma)

yeah and RR took Bush for his VP

how nice of him
Posted by: REDACTED at November 10, 2022 04:32 PM (us2H3)

Like Pence, that was the deal for the GOPe at the time.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 10, 2022 04:32 PM (eoQWY)

552 I think I'm going to bow out until the next thread.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at November 10, 2022 04:32 PM (BdMk6)

553 Samantha (Bewitched) >Jeannie > Marianne > Ginger.
Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko Solutions at November 10, 2022 04:26 PM (UJJTo)
.........

NO NO NO NO
Jeannie with that belly outfit!
What, are you going to vote for Trump or something?

Posted by: obligatory dissent at November 10, 2022 04:33 PM (v0R5T)

554 If Trump or DeSantis win the 2024 nomination, good for them. However, I do not believe the GOPe will allow either one of them to win the nomination.

The GOPe will do everything they can to foist an eyepatch McCain off on the electorate. And the rank and file GOP voters will fall for it.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at November 10, 2022 04:33 PM (5pTK/)

555 You can't keep saying "Trump can win the blue states and DeSantis can't." When did Trump last win the blue states?

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More to the point, I seem to recall a whole lot of people saying things like "Trump can't win," back in 2016. And "Biden can't win" in the primaries.

All such assertions are meaningless. No one knows.

That's why they play the games.

"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future."

Posted by: Good Morning Sunday Morning at November 10, 2022 04:33 PM (1dzqn)

556 If Ron is a Real Politician, he'll wait. Let Trump go again, probably lose, scream to the heavens about cheating again and we'll all remind ourselves about the story of The Boy That Cried Wolf.

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Not sure about this. I think DeSantis needs to be careful in how he goes after Trump. For now, he doesn't need to do anything but continue to do what he has done.

But not sure DeSantis will ever have a brighter star.

Posted by: SH (No more Roe) at November 10, 2022 04:33 PM (sX1BW)

557 DeS just won FL by a huge margin, a large percentage of which must mathematically have come from the working class. This assertion that Trump, and ONLY TRUMP, can appeal to the working class is based on nothing.
Posted by: Archimedes
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Open question still dude. Trump got along with union workers because he supported onshoring manufacturing and putting tariffs on. He tried to seal the border so the flood of Fentanyl and illegal workers lowering wages and employment for US citizens was done. He broke the invade the world invite the world model by not starting new idiotic wars abroad. He tried to get our allies to pay for their own damn protection. He did not pick open fights with China or Russia but instead used soft economic power to woo or punish.

Midwestern working class voters (and some in places like Georgia) are not going to vote for the corporate class guys. They will either stay at home or vote for local races--they are not in it for your or my approval but for survival of them and theirs. Once you get that, you will come closer to understanding that voters are not potatoes and not ignorant of their own needs.

Posted by: whig at November 10, 2022 04:33 PM (CXr4y)

558

Actor Rainn Wilson, who played "Dwight Schrute" in the popular TV show "The Office," has changed his name in an effort to bring awareness to and protest climate change.

The 56-year-old actor's new name, which Wilson announced on Twitter in a video, is "Rainnfall Heat Wave Extreme Winter Wilson."

The name change comes as the United Nations plans to meet in Egypt for a climate change conference this week named the " 27th Conference of the Parties of the UNFCCC" or "COP27."

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 10, 2022 04:33 PM (63Dwl)

559 All the talk in here about anybody running in 2024 besides Trump is a GOPe/Dem fever dream. Blackpill city. Complete nonsense.

Trump is not only wildly popular in the US, but internationally.

DeSantis became popular by imitating Trump, and through Trump's support, and basically spearheading the MAGA movement among politicians who aren't Trump himself within the Republican party.

The rift between Trump and DeSantis is theater - not at all real.

Posted by: Optimizer at November 10, 2022 04:33 PM (hOOi9)

560 But I think we'd do better with DeSantis at winning the presidency and getting conservative policy implemented. In fact I think there is a role for Trump in a DeSantis administration if he'd take it.
Posted by: 18-1 at November 10, 2022 04:25 PM (ESjRY)

I think there's a chance (albeit small) that more of the GOP shills would work with DeSantis - or at least not fight everything he did. Trump on the other hand will still have the same resistance he did when he left, if not worse. We've already seen they're fine with trying to kill the country rather than have him behind the Resolute Desk for more than 10 seconds.

I'd crawl over broken glass to vote for Trump, but really hope to see a bit of self-reflection in the coming months, and an actual strategy to take on the uniparty for the sake of all of us. I'm hoping that he really does start to lay out a path forward after Tuesday.

A last revenge tour won't help us much 2028 and beyond. And if Biden wins (he'll be in a Captain Pike scooter by then) there won't be elections any longer.

Posted by: clutch cargo - Now fortified with CPM-S90V at November 10, 2022 04:33 PM (zB/T/)

561 507 People are tired of Trump's "charisma". Not saying RDS does not have any, but Trump's brand of charisma comes with some awful , ugly baggage. Reagan had charisma, his brand was not destructive, like Trump's.
Posted by: runner at November 10, 2022 04:29 PM (bdYma)
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I WANT destructive. DC is a swamp and needs to be drained. That analogy isn't additive, it's destructive. DeSantis can rebuild what's left over. I'll bet he'd be great at that and he'd have my full support.

Posted by: MattyCO at November 10, 2022 04:33 PM (7DHQv)

562 The president in 2025 is more likely to be Trump than Desantis. More likely to be Trump than Biden. More likely to be Trump than cackling Harris. More likely to be Trump than Fetterman. Hey it's true!

The person you judge alone in a vacuum is not an actionable apples to apples comparison.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at November 10, 2022 04:34 PM (44ww/)

563 I think what everyone is missing from this is Trump has real equity in the GOP

and he is not he kind of man that walks away from that

you'll have to take it from him

but walk away

no

Posted by: REDACTED at November 10, 2022 04:34 PM (us2H3)

564 Trump is the TYPE<<<READ the TYPE of people we need. Not just Trump only. We need a lot of them.

Posted by: JROD at November 10, 2022 04:34 PM (IlL6s)

565 Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at November 10, 2022 04:30 PM (ppBhU)

Question: Is that humor more dry or is it more droll?

Posted by: rd at November 10, 2022 04:34 PM (Z32m1)

566 DeSantis also does not have Trump's animal charisma, of course, but he's not bad. Just not up to trumpian levels.
Posted by: ace at November 10, 2022 04:23 PM (C1Zwz)

I think any discussion on this is premature. "The horse may yet learn to sing" no matter who we claim is the horse.

We'd be better off trying to figure out what we should have accomplished by the time we figure out that the horse isn't going to sing. To twist a metaphor

Posted by: Kindltot at November 10, 2022 04:34 PM (xhaym)

567 You're a clown.

Posted by: ace at November 10, 2022 04:30 PM (C1Zwz)

I think you're arguing with a one name troll there, ace.

Posted by: Methos at November 10, 2022 04:34 PM (kOpft)

568 GA not likely but possible.

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GA is a state where some election reform would definitely help.

Posted by: SH (No more Roe) at November 10, 2022 04:34 PM (sX1BW)

569 540 >>>
It's not that Trump will win those states, it's that he's the only one with a shot there.

well I mean, obviously, this is pure supposition on your part. As someone already said, you don't win 60% of a state without bringing over most of the working class.

Posted by: ace at November 10, 2022 04:31 PM (C1Zwz)

Ok sure, it's my hypothetical. The analogy of winning their votes after being their governor for 4 years isn't great though. DeSantis doesn't get a chance to run the blue wall states before being President. I think we'd see in the primary whether DeSantis starts to see people peeling off from Trump's working class support to him.

But I think the conventional wisdom that Trump offends college-educated and brings in working class is pretty well backed. I don't see it as likely that someone else gets the same trust without being proven.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 10, 2022 04:34 PM (eYoxG)

570 The dislike for Cruz is largely an artifact of his father's involvement in Kennedy's assassination. Cruz is thought to be a chip off the ol' homicidal block. But it's not fair. He's Lyin' Ted, not Murderin' Ted.
* * *
Though now that I think about it, he did insinuate in a tweet that is the Zodiac killer. Whoa. Guy's Cruz might be Murderin' Ted.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at November 10, 2022 04:34 PM (ppBhU)

571 I do think that if you find yourself making the same arguments and statements against Trump as, say, Bill Kristol and the Lincoln Logs, it is time for a long, hard look in the mirror, though.

Kind of like the people who are using exactly the same arguments against Bush as Michael Moore and the Dixie Chicks did need to reconsider a moment.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 10, 2022 04:34 PM (Ivdso)

572 The rift between Trump and DeSantis is theater - not at all real.
Posted by: Optimizer at November 10, 2022 04:33 PM (hOOi9)

It was just Trump shooting off his mouth - like that's a new thing? - and nothing more. But it's fodder, and anything the media can use to create a rift they'll run with.

Posted by: clutch cargo - Now fortified with CPM-S90V at November 10, 2022 04:34 PM (zB/T/)

573 Jeannie or Samantha could perform all kinds of magic tricks.

Posted by: wth at November 10, 2022 04:35 PM (v0R5T)

574 No, Cruz showed us how to talk, then betray his people by voting to give Capitol Police a medal for murdering someone and calling January 6th protesters "terrorists". Somehow I cannot find it in my heart to ignore that because I like the way he talks.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 10, 2022 04:32 PM (Ivdso)

If you shook his hand you'd need de-greaser, he's sly and slippery. That backtracking after his J6 comment, wasn't as artful as Tucker. If we spoke like Cruz, we'd lose for sure. No benefit in sounding like a pedant

Posted by: CN at November 10, 2022 04:35 PM (Zzbjj)

575 Trump bears little responsibility for Tuesday. The only thing that he could have done that he didn't was spend money from his PAC.

What happened is the responsibility of the national party. You can blame McDaniel, McCarthy, and McConnell for the results.

And also the Dems have a very good operation in place that they first used in 2018, which we all missed because we keep blaming Dominion.

Plenty of blame to pass around, but this one isn't on Trump.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 10, 2022 04:35 PM (5p7BC)

576 Willowed. May have been answered earlier...
{i}42 Fetterman?
Posted by: Elric Blade at November 10, 2022 02:40 PM (iFTx/)
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No, it was a different race, and the Dem they elected was actually dead. I asked in the last thread if anyone knew what would happen, since obviously they can't swear him in. Do they appoint someone? Have another election?
Posted by: bluebell at November 10, 2022 02:41 PM (pTb/Z)

I believe there will be a special election.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at November 10, 2022 04:35 PM (8C7+r)

577 Ace, @522 Daily Stormer is here

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 10, 2022 04:35 PM (cFFKx)

578 @ 102 bingo!!

Posted by: SOMEASSHOLESTOLEMYPEN at November 10, 2022 04:35 PM (Whn33)

579 yeah and RR took Bush for his VP

Hey have I told you recently how honest and fair the 2020 election was?

Posted by: Mike Pence at November 10, 2022 04:35 PM (ESjRY)

580 It won't matter if the candidate is Ron or Don if the cheating isn't fixed.

Arguing over who we are going to lose with next time is distracting us from the fact that we WILL lose next time unless we get some election integrity going on up in here.

Posted by: Just Lily at November 10, 2022 04:35 PM (vivhj)

581 Trump has turned off (R) voters unnecessarily. I know this for a fact because people very close to me refuse to vote for him again, after voting for him 2016. Call these voters RINOs, squishes, F-ing idiots or whatnot, that's fine. I find most of their arguments against Trump stupid. That does not change the fact that they will never vote for the guy, and that's bad.

When Trump called him Ron DeSanctimonious right before the election, I thought - WTF is this guy doing? Has he really not learned any lessons from the past? Is he going to surround himself with backstabbing dumbasses like his last administration? The man is his own worst enemy sometimes. I'll vote for him in a heartbeat if he is the nominee, but will I vote for him in a primary? Not necessarily.

Posted by: Colonel Travis at November 10, 2022 04:29 PM

Pretty much this. I know people that are tired of Trump. I am not, but they will not vote for him again. I would if he gets the nod, but it's not me he needs to win over. That's why I prefer DeSantis as of right now if I could pick. Does not make me a NTer.

Posted by: Minnfidel Looking For Jackie at November 10, 2022 04:35 PM (yb11p)

582 Actor Rainn Wilson, who played "Dwight Schrute" in the popular TV show "The Office," has changed his name in an effort to bring awareness to and protest climate change.

To be fair, he had a pretty dumb name to begin with.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 10, 2022 04:35 PM (Ivdso)

583 523 Plus , Reagan had a vision. Trump only has slogans.
Posted by: runner at November 10, 2022 04:30 PM (bdYma)

Sandra Day O'Connor
Beirut Bombing non-response
Leaving Iran intact after hostage release
Letting Bork twist in the wind
Amnesty 'deal' with Tip O'Neil

RWR did a LOT of good, but we're still living with the legacy of those mistakes. Still.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at November 10, 2022 04:35 PM (fgev6)

584 It's not that Trump will win those states, it's that he's the only one with a shot there.

well I mean, obviously, this is pure supposition on your part. As someone already said, you don't win 60% of a state without bringing over most of the working class.
==
True, but applies to your position equally.

As it supposition for you to say Desantis will either. Which is the point of primaries -- to take some of the guesswork out of it.

Why, today, this week make a decision, that simply doesn't need to be made without more data. Unless there is a reason. $

Posted by: tell me why you like somebody better, not why you hate somebody at November 10, 2022 04:35 PM (qUWBj)

585 I think I'll go knock may head against a wall. Perhaps I'll do so much damage that I'll miss the Trump/DeSantis debate until a candidate is actually elected.

And on another note, when I left at 12;30 FenSpouse was fine. When I came back at 2;30 he was curled up ion the couch and then having dry heaves and then throwing up. He only had a muffin this morning, but he was out mowing and cutting up leaves . Maybe some of that stuff got in his lungs. So, if the praying people could pray for him, I'd appreciate that. Thx.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 10, 2022 04:36 PM (vH/6k)

586 567 You're a clown.

Posted by: ace at November 10, 2022 04:30 PM (C1Zwz)

well, that narrows it down

Posted by: REDACTED at November 10, 2022 04:36 PM (us2H3)

587 What both Trump AND DeSantis should do right now is get McCarthy and War Turtle to step down.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 10, 2022 04:36 PM (eoQWY)

588 Trump grates on my nerves with his petulance and unforced errors, but he's still the man, and he's the guy who had his office stolen, notwithstanding all the other vicious shit he put up with. I have nothing bad to say about DeSantis, who also makes my erection go turgidly engorged. Either way, a factional war doesn't help us. I'll support either or both.

What I'm most looking forward to is the Jeb Bush types sliding into the primaries with fat Chamber of Commerce coffers only to flame out in disaster.

Posted by: SMFH at November 10, 2022 04:36 PM (TIAb4)

589 How do you pardon people that haven't been tried yet?
Posted by: fd at November 10, 2022 04:30 PM (sn5EN)

With the stroke of a pen.

Posted by: Gerald R. Ford at November 10, 2022 04:36 PM (yQpMk)

590 The dislike for Cruz is largely an artifact of his father's involvement in Kennedy's assassination. Cruz is thought to be a chip off the ol' homicidal block. But it's not fair. He's Lyin' Ted, not Murderin' Ted.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at November 10, 2022 04:30 PM (ppBhU)

I think he's confessed to being the Zodiac killer but people just assume he's kidding.

Posted by: LASue at November 10, 2022 04:36 PM (Ed8Zd)

591 Actor Rainn Wilson, who played "Dwight Schrute" in the popular TV show "The Office," has changed his name in an effort to bring awareness to and protest climate change.

The 56-year-old actor's new name, which Wilson announced on Twitter in a video, is "Rainnfall Heat Wave Extreme Winter Wilson." ...
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 10, 2022 04:33 PM (63Dwl)
++++
LOL. What a pussy.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 10, 2022 04:36 PM (DU+/6)

592 @526 JROD.
You've missed my point. Sure, that's Trump's way of fighting, and no one else can do it that way.

But it's not the only way. Others have done it, just differently.

Posted by: Eeyore at November 10, 2022 04:36 PM (TgBWG)

593 Not sure about this. I think DeSantis needs to be careful in how he goes after Trump. For now, he doesn't need to do anything but continue to do what he has done.

But not sure DeSantis will ever have a brighter star.

Posted by: SH
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DeSantis will have to go after the Never Trumpers publicly which means disowning Paul Ryan, Pence, etc. and their rancid corporatist politics. It is fine to pick on Disney which is a leftist shithole, but the Koch brother or Griffin, that is another color. Then we start getting into the 3d secret bullshit only with DeSantis instead of Trump.

Posted by: whig at November 10, 2022 04:36 PM (CXr4y)

594 We need a whole army of Trumps who call out the lies.

Posted by: CN at November 10, 2022 04:36 PM (Zzbjj)

595 575 Trump bears little responsibility for Tuesday.

True. He's still a giant putz, though.

Posted by: Good Morning Sunday Morning at November 10, 2022 04:36 PM (1dzqn)

596 Any one of the three girls on Petticoat Junction > Samantha (Bewitched) >Jeannie > Marianne > Ginger.

Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at November 10, 2022 04:36 PM (flINI)

597 >>>You're either lying, or ignorant.
30 seconds on even Google proves this.
Get thee back to CTH.

don't be so uncivil, please... it's a difficult conversation, let's be careful about it. I don't think he's "lying," i think he's offering a take he believes in.

There is no doubt the Establishment hates Trump more than DeSantis and would like Trump gone more than DeSantis (for now). I mean, that part is true.

Trump embarrasses them personally, for one thing, which DeSantis does not do.

Posted by: ace at November 10, 2022 04:36 PM (C1Zwz)

598 Actor Rainn Wilson, who played "Dwight Schrute" in the popular TV show "The Office," has changed his name in an effort to bring awareness to and protest climate change.

The 56-year-old actor's new name, which Wilson announced on Twitter in a video, is "Rainnfall Heat Wave Extreme Winter Wilson."
........

Shoulda just went with "Dumbass".

Posted by: wth at November 10, 2022 04:37 PM (v0R5T)

599 Jeff Cook, Co-Founder of Alabama and a Country Music Hall of Fame Member, Dies at 73

Posted by: SMOD at November 10, 2022 04:37 PM (RHGPo)

600 Reality is that a lot of people will stay home if Trump is not on the top of the ticket, regardless of whether Ron is actually better for our chances.

Posted by: Eli Cash at November 10, 2022 04:37 PM (VZubT)

601 Archimedes-Yes I voted for Trump in 16. Lifelong conservative whose family actively campaigned and fund raised from Goldwater to Reagan.This shit ain't new to me.

I believe you. So then, per your point, how could vote for someone so completely untested? Are you saying DeSantis now has been tested much less than a guy who then had been tested not at all? Be consistent.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 10, 2022 04:37 PM (eOEVl)

602 @509 Archimedes-After Cruz who the fuck else was I going to vote for genius? You think I was going to willingly hand the Presidency over to Hillary. Stupid f'ing attempt pal.

Posted by: JROD at November 10, 2022 04:37 PM (IlL6s)

603 Strange we expect more accountability from our football coaches than our political "leaders." Read the content but not the comments- any good news from AZ or elsewhere? Any bad?

Posted by: Farmer Bob at November 10, 2022 04:37 PM (zsNoE)

604 523 Plus , Reagan had a vision. Trump only has slogans.
Posted by: runner at November 10, 2022 04:30 PM (bdYma)

yeah and RR took Bush for his VP

how nice of him
Posted by: REDACTED

A year later, Bush tries to have him assassinated.
If conservatives only win is 8 years of Reagan since the 1830's-40's to define conservatism, then maybe it doesn't work (or at least cannot conserve the actual country and People).

Posted by: Yay! at November 10, 2022 04:37 PM (qu6IK)

605 550 Red Turban Guy, would your feelings change about DeSantis if you heard him start talking about bringing jobs back to America and fair trade?
Posted by: ace at November 10, 2022 04:32 PM (C1Zwz)

I'm not working class, it's not my circus. I don't have any investment in those issues but am down with going along with it for votes.

The important question is whether the working class(who don't know him since they don't live in FL) would change their opinion.

My figuring is someone who talks more like Trump has a better shot with them. I'm not entirely sure what platform issues will actually get them to turn out.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 10, 2022 04:37 PM (eYoxG)

606 I had no clue there were so many psychics among the Horde.

Posted by: Prime Sister at November 10, 2022 04:37 PM (tQL7r)

607 What both Trump AND DeSantis should do right now is get McCarthy and War Turtle to step down.
Posted by: Oldcat at November 10, 2022 04:36 PM (eoQWY)

Just make sure that Miss Lindsey is driving.

Posted by: clutch cargo - Now fortified with CPM-S90V at November 10, 2022 04:37 PM (zB/T/)

608 Trump bears little responsibility for Tuesday. The only thing that he could have done that he didn't was spend money from his PAC.

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I agree. But DeSantis definitely comes out stronger than he went in. And Trump comes out a little weaker - even if I don't think things are his fault. PA is a lost cause.

Posted by: SH (No more Roe) at November 10, 2022 04:37 PM (sX1BW)

609 The 56-year-old actor's new name, which Wilson announced on Twitter in a video, is "Rainnfall Heat Wave Extreme Winter Wilson." ...
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 10, 2022 04:33 PM (63Dwl)
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LOL. What a pussy.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 10, 2022 04:36 PM (DU+/6)

Too bad. No self-respecting beet farmer will deal with him now.

Posted by: LASue at November 10, 2022 04:37 PM (Ed8Zd)

610 I think its funny that Penn, elected the dead, and the walking dead. Must be a fun place.

That right there should be a great case against early voting.

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at November 10, 2022 04:37 PM (M+Lyo)

611 Perfect timing for you bozo.

Posted by: JROD at November 10, 2022 04:37 PM (IlL6s)

612 343 It just occurred to me what the ideal 2024 ticket is. Jeb and Liz. That is, Bush/Cheney!

!!!
Posted by: Eeyore at November 10, 2022 04:14 PM (TgBWG)

*******

She has far more testosterone than he does, so the proper ticket for that pair has to be reversed.

Cheney/Bush

Posted by: Sasquatch, the Original Trans-Wookie at November 10, 2022 04:38 PM (EkEjR)

613 well I mean, obviously, this is pure supposition on your part. As someone already said, you don't win 60% of a state without bringing over most of the working class.

I'd just like to point out that that person was me, and you can ignore the other 20 people who said it before me.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 10, 2022 04:38 PM (eOEVl)

614 Isn't the real question here not between Trump or DeSantis but who would the Republican party, the GOP go to the mat for against the Democrats and really try to out-steal the next election?

It might not be either of those men.

Which is a real problem with the GOP.
Posted by: Martini Farmer

They'd do it for me....

Posted by: Sen Coke bear at November 10, 2022 04:38 PM (JTRqZ)

615 Any one of the three girls on Petticoat Junction > Samantha (Bewitched) >Jeannie > Marianne > Ginger.
Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at November 10, 2022 04:36 PM (flINI)
.........

CHOOO CHOOO

Posted by: wth at November 10, 2022 04:38 PM (v0R5T)

616 523 Plus , Reagan had a vision. Trump only has slogans.
Posted by: runner at November 10, 2022 04:30 PM (bdYma)

Ya still waiting on everyone to quit hanging on to 2020 and tabulate the results of his Presidency... in my book he only has one big win.

- NO CLINTON

Posted by: tryhardneckbeard at November 10, 2022 04:38 PM (OLVeZ)

617 Trump bears little responsibility for Tuesday. The only thing that he could have done that he didn't was spend money from his PAC.

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I agree. But DeSantis definitely comes out stronger than he went in. And Trump comes out a little weaker - even if I don't think things are his fault. PA is a lost cause.
Posted by: SH (No more Roe) at November 10, 2022 04:37 PM (sX1BW)

Concur on both points.

Posted by: LASue at November 10, 2022 04:38 PM (Ed8Zd)

618 So, if the praying people could pray for him, I'd appreciate that. Thx.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke

Okay

Posted by: JT at November 10, 2022 04:38 PM (T4tVD)

619 I'm going to sit on the fence until Chemheff tells us what he thinks.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at November 10, 2022 04:38 PM (44ww/)

620 RWR did a LOT of good, but we're still living with the legacy of those mistakes. Still.

Yeah, he had his flaws but I think a lot of them were driven by being the lone voice against a hostile Democrat-controlled congress, and its shocking he managed to get done what he did in those circumstances. I don't say that as an excuse, stuff like Beirut and grounding the Shuttle are all on him and he has his flaws.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 10, 2022 04:38 PM (Ivdso)

621 I agree. But DeSantis definitely comes out stronger than he went in. And Trump comes out a little weaker - even if I don't think things are his fault. PA is a lost cause.
Posted by: SH (No more Roe) at November 10, 2022 04:37 PM (sX1BW)

Pence has more responsibility for Tuesday, and so does Barr.

Posted by: CN at November 10, 2022 04:39 PM (Zzbjj)

622 @602 Archimedes-That is consistent.

Posted by: JROD at November 10, 2022 04:39 PM (IlL6s)

623 Be careful what you wish for. Look at how brick fucking stupid voters are.
Posted by: Minnfidel Looking For Jackie at November 10, 2022 04:19 PM (yb11p)

Governor Patrick Bateman is already my governor. It's only right the rest of the nation get an up close look at what a nepotic car salesman psychopath looks like.

Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at November 10, 2022 04:39 PM (OZjDX)

624 In general I think we made a trade in 2016 and 2020. We lost in some demos, and gained in others. Those demos we lost in aren't coming back. I'm concerned that we lose the demos we traded them for.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 10, 2022 04:39 PM (eYoxG)

625 The dislike for Cruz is largely an artifact of his father's involvement in Kennedy's assassination. Cruz is thought to be a chip off the ol' homicidal block. But it's not fair. He's Lyin' Ted, not Murderin' Ted.
* * *
Though now that I think about it, he did insinuate in a tweet that is the Zodiac killer. Whoa. Guy's Cruz might be Murderin' Ted.
* * *
It's a weird, potentially blog-breaking situation I've stumbled into here. I'm having an argument . . . with myself, and I think I'm losing.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at November 10, 2022 04:39 PM (ppBhU)

626 591 Actor Rainn Wilson, who played "Dwight Schrute" in the popular TV show "The Office," has changed his name in an effort to bring awareness to and protest climate change.

The 56-year-old actor's new name, which Wilson announced on Twitter in a video, is "Rainnfall Heat Wave Extreme Winter Wilson." ...
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 10, 2022 04:33 PM (63Dwl)
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LOL. What a pussy.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 10, 2022 04:36 PM (DU+/6)

No. He's a Harvard Man.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at November 10, 2022 04:39 PM (fgev6)

627 Anyone see the Weird Al movie?

Posted by: BourbonChicken at November 10, 2022 04:39 PM (44ww/)

628 590 The dislike for Cruz is largely an artifact of his father's involvement in Kennedy's assassination. Cruz is thought to be a chip off the ol' homicidal block. But it's not fair. He's Lyin' Ted, not Murderin' Ted.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls
----------------------------
Cruz has not had a very good legislative career other than spouting off on Twitter like an older version of little Shapiro or occasionally making some sharp remarks to some functionary.

I think he realized time has passed him by as a contender but doesn't know what else to do.

Posted by: whig at November 10, 2022 04:39 PM (CXr4y)

629 I think its funny that Penn, elected the dead, and the walking dead. Must be a fun place.

That right there should be a great case against early voting.
Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway

It makes Delaware look better, which ain't easy.

Posted by: Blue Hen at November 10, 2022 04:39 PM (JTRqZ)

630 Which would you prefer if Trump & DeSantis were 100% best buds,

Trump running with DeSantis in full support

-or-

DeSantis running with Trump's full support.

Not saying either is likely but what's your gut preference?

Posted by: banana Dream at November 10, 2022 04:39 PM (0fVbu)

631 The name change comes as the United Nations plans to meet in Egypt for a climate change conference this week named the " 27th Conference of the Parties of the UNFCCC" or "COP27."
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.

If the UN was THAT concerned about the climate, they would zoom meeting ot instead of everyone jet setting in from around the world.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 10, 2022 04:39 PM (ym7CX)

632 People are tired of Trump's "charisma". Not saying RDS does not have any, but Trump's brand of charisma comes with some awful , ugly baggage. Reagan had charisma, his brand was not destructive, like Trump's.
Posted by: runner at November 10, 2022 04:29 PM (bdYma)

Tell that to the Air Traffic Controllers. Everyone knew Reagan was a man who could be destructive, that's why he was respected.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 10, 2022 04:40 PM (eoQWY)

633 @602 Archimedes-Its consistent if you've read all my gdamn posts in this thread.

Posted by: JROD at November 10, 2022 04:40 PM (IlL6s)

634 Obama's "library" is in Chicago???

Good, as things are going, no one will ever visit.
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Sure they will, it'll be all basketball courts to keep the shootings contained.

Posted by: dartist at November 10, 2022 04:40 PM (9X/y4)

635 598 Actor Rainn Wilson, who played "Dwight Schrute" in the popular TV show "The Office," has changed his name in an effort to bring awareness to and protest climate change.

The 56-year-old actor's new name, which Wilson announced on Twitter in a video, is "Rainnfall Heat Wave Extreme Winter Wilson."
........

Shoulda just went with "Dumbass".
Posted by: wth at November 10, 2022 04:37 PM (v0R5T)

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It's obvious actors are attention whores, you have to be but that's just a cry for help.

Posted by: Seems Legit at November 10, 2022 04:40 PM (DcKNO)

636 I really like Sundance over at CTH, but holy hell that place has gone nuts with MAGA purity tests. They're eaten up with the DeSantis=DeepState paranoia.

Once again, folks, per Uncle Milton: We have to make it politically profitable for the wrong people to do the right things. DeSantis has shown he's done plenty of the right things.

Posted by: SMFH at November 10, 2022 04:40 PM (TIAb4)

637 DeSantis will have to go after the Never Trumpers publicly which means disowning Paul Ryan, Pence, etc. and their rancid corporatist politics.

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This would help.

Defending Trump from the DOJ would help.

Firing government beurecrats (even if he controls it) would help.

There are things DeSantis can do that will raise him up with Trumpers without having to pick a direct fight with Trump (which would be unwise).

I'm sure the NeverTrump, GOPe crowd will give him an opportunity he can seize upon --- if he wants too.

Posted by: SH (No more Roe) at November 10, 2022 04:40 PM (sX1BW)

638 Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 10, 2022 04:38 PM (Ivdso)

Are you forgetting me?

Posted by: Simpson Mazzoli act at November 10, 2022 04:40 PM (Zzbjj)

639 >>>Trump grates on my nerves with his petulance and unforced errors, but he's still the man, and he's the guy who had his office stolen,

So I think a big reason people support Trump is because of the obvious injustice of 2020. Even if you don't believe the election was fully stolen (and it was definitely partly stolen), then it was unfair that Trump got blamed for covid, which was created by BIden's chinese business partners, and it's unjust he was booted from office from soemthing Bidens business partners did.

And I totally get that.

But... sometimes you have to give up on SOME of your priorities to get the most important one.

a friend who you all know and love says we MUST reelect trump to prove that the Deep State cannot get away with doing what they did 2015-2020.

Agree, sort of, but if they beat him again, then we're not repudiating them, we're vindicating them...

Posted by: ace at November 10, 2022 04:40 PM (C1Zwz)

640 I don't think DeSantis is a squish now. But he has taken money from people who will reward squishdom. Eventually they will call in their favors. I'm not saying he will give in, but that they will want him to do so, and their money is addictive.

Posted by: Catherine at November 10, 2022 04:41 PM (ZSsrh)

641 Archimedes-After Cruz who the fuck else was I going to vote for genius? You think I was going to willingly hand the Presidency over to Hillary. Stupid f'ing attempt pal.

Didn't you flounce out of here yesterday? I think I can stand the nuclear heat of your wit.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 10, 2022 04:41 PM (eOEVl)

642 The name change comes as the United Nations plans to meet in Egypt for a climate change conference this week named the " 27th Conference of the Parties of the UNFCCC" or "COP27."
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.

Egypt?

Posted by: Puddleglum at work at November 10, 2022 04:41 PM (bA3Ln)

643 So, if the praying people could pray for him, I'd appreciate that. Thx.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 10, 2022 04:36 PM (vH/6k)

Praying. May he get well quickly.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gen X Ne'er-Do-Well at November 10, 2022 04:41 PM (xPJvm)

644 What's CTH?

Posted by: Seems Legit at November 10, 2022 04:41 PM (DcKNO)

645 Anyone see the Weird Al movie?

Word is that its fun but a bit long. Its a fake biography of his life, with crazy stuff going on, not a real biopic.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 10, 2022 04:41 PM (Ivdso)

646 When I get older I might change my name to
"Fuckyouyou'reanasshole".

Posted by: fd at November 10, 2022 04:41 PM (sn5EN)

647 I hope Trump throws his hat into the ring Tuesday. Why? Because it drives the left crazy, it stirs up their woke base, which indies hate. And the Millennials will get a heaping dose of bad economy blues. Trump knows this.
If Trump doesn't, then the left will use the next two years pushing "moderates" into the spotlight to save the Democratic Party. If they make their party more palatable, and wrap up in "legitimacy," then there is absolutely no reason for Millennials to break with their party of choice.

Posted by: Coki at November 10, 2022 04:41 PM (dTzB3)

648 Posted by: SMFH at November 10, 2022 04:40 PM (TIAb4)

He has been on the Never DeSantis train for a while. He can be a little full of him self

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at November 10, 2022 04:42 PM (M+Lyo)

649 Red Turban Guy, would your feelings change about DeSantis if you heard him start talking about bringing jobs back to America and fair trade?

The FUSA doesn't have the energy resources to field heavy industry, mining or even steel mills. Already struggling with data centers.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at November 10, 2022 04:42 PM (3hSHB)

650 Look on the bright side, no more purely democrat shit bills from Congress for Biden to sign.

Now we'll get dem + sellout RINO bills.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at November 10, 2022 04:42 PM (UuD2k)

651 I don't know why anybody is even talking about Trump. If I could get comped at one of his casinos or resorts, I'd say, "Thank you, Mr. Trump!"

Posted by: Dr. Bone at November 10, 2022 04:42 PM (geVLo)

652 Looks like canning all the Repubs whose last names begin with Mc would be a good start.

Wait...

Posted by: McLurkerson at November 10, 2022 04:42 PM (wNDOJ)

653 640 I don't think DeSantis is a squish now. But he has taken money from people who will reward squishdom. Eventually they will call in their favors. I'm not saying he will give in, but that they will want him to do so, and their money is addictive.
Posted by: Catherine at November 10, 2022 04:41 PM (ZSsrh)

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You've just described every politician. Every one.

Posted by: Seems Legit at November 10, 2022 04:42 PM (DcKNO)

654 "Sheriff’s Deputies Surround Maricopa County Tabulation Center, Perched On Roof, Barricades and Fence Set Up Around Perimeter"

this is disturbing ... trucks are bring in ballots ... sheriff also says no taking photos on the property. WOW, why is that a new law? Days and days to count ... and fabricate or collect form those that did not vote?

They system is working ... for someone.

Posted by: illiniwek at November 10, 2022 04:42 PM (Cus5s)

655 So, if the praying people could pray for him, I'd appreciate that. Thx.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke
==
keep a close eye on him. If he gets a fever develops light sensitivity stiff neck take him to the ER. There is a virus that is in leaves that can cause meninigitis.

Posted by: tell me why you like somebody better, not why you hate somebody at November 10, 2022 04:43 PM (/JlCr)

656 I think he realized time has passed him by as a contender but doesn't know what else to do.

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My advise - stay in the Senate. We need people pulling the Senate to the right. He does it.

He won't be President. He won't be a justice. But his time may come where he can serve in a roll made for him (i.e., AG).

But he's in a good place for himself and for our movement.

Posted by: SH (No more Roe) at November 10, 2022 04:43 PM (sX1BW)

657 It's not that Trump will win those states, it's that he's the only one with a shot there.

Assuming we cede those states, take them off the table for a hypothetical DeSantis path, what is the DeSantis path? Need to be comparing the DeSantis path to the Trump path.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy

++

Because he won them in 2016 by a rounding error and then lost them in 2020, what does that prove?

Hillary was weaker than Biden, that's why Trump won in 2016. People just dont have the same hate for Biden that they did for Hillary.

Let's pretend Biden had been the nominee in 2016. He would have beat Trump in that election, without question. Had Hillarys emails not been leaked , she would have beat Trump.

Posted by: Hylian at November 10, 2022 04:43 PM (dpIbY)

658 645 Anyone see the Weird Al movie?

Word is that its fun but a bit long. Its a fake biography of his life, with crazy stuff going on, not a real biopic.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 10, 2022 04:41 PM (Ivdso)
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And next you're gonna tell me all that Rambo stuff in UHF didn't happen either.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at November 10, 2022 04:43 PM (F5ekr)

659 Conservative Tree House should be called Conservative Nut House.

Posted by: Mark1971 at November 10, 2022 04:43 PM (xPl2J)

660 Egypt?
Posted by: Puddleglum at work at November 10, 2022 04:41 PM (bA3Ln)
++++
They tend to choose hot, southern areas for their winter meetings because they kept getting blizzards during their global warming conferences when they held them in Europe or North America.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 10, 2022 04:43 PM (DU+/6)

661 Are you forgetting me?

No, but I think that was backroom deal making to get tax cuts and some other stuff passed. I think that was the price to fix the economy and rebuild the military.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 10, 2022 04:43 PM (Ivdso)

662 Body cams for all politicians! Air them on C SPAN 24 7.

Posted by: Holy Crap at November 10, 2022 04:43 PM (glGDV)

663 The name change comes as the United Nations plans to meet in Egypt for a climate change conference this week named the " 27th Conference of the Parties of the UNFCCC" or "COP27."
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.

Egypt?
Posted by: Puddleglum

Do you and likes to spread around their meeting places, so countries can get in on the grift. That's what shows the climate stuff is all bullshit. If they were truly concerned, they wouldn't be flying in from all over the world. They would do electronic meetings. Always watch what they do not what they say.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 10, 2022 04:43 PM (ym7CX)

664 @592 Eeyore-Others? If you are talking about past presidents(Reagan?) that was a different time. Todays political climate and electorate are not the same. I'd have to know what others have had the same success and love of the people like Trump has garnered to discuss.

Posted by: JROD at November 10, 2022 04:43 PM (IlL6s)

665 >>>You've just described every politician. Every one.

including Trump. People seem to believe Trump self-financed his campaign. Look it up -- he did not.

Posted by: ace at November 10, 2022 04:43 PM (C1Zwz)

666 Pa is definitely a Dark Blue now they got a half brain for a Senator anyone can be installed that Shapiro wants

Posted by: Skip's phone at November 10, 2022 04:43 PM (xhxe8)

667 I guess if we're restarting the Trump wars my take is this- NeverTrump is and always has been leftists grifting assholes, and, if for nothing else, we owe him a debt for exposing them. Having said that, he has flaws and, at this point is so damaged as to be (in my opinion,) unelectable- and also immediately a lame duck if elected, so likely stymied if elected, considering the same folks will be arrayed against him, including GOPe. I prefer DeSantis. Having said that. I think Paul Ryan missed a great opportunity to shut the fuck up today.

Posted by: Farmer Bob at November 10, 2022 04:44 PM (zsNoE)

668 Hillary was weaker than Biden, that's why Trump won in 2016. People just dont have the same hate for Biden that they did for Hillary.

Let's pretend Biden had been the nominee in 2016. He would have beat Trump in that election, without question. Had Hillarys emails not been leaked , she would have beat Trump.
Posted by: Hylian at November 10, 2022 04:43 PM (dpIbY)

The 2020 election was all about Trump. Biden was a bit player. This is a laughable assertion.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at November 10, 2022 04:44 PM (KbCG3)

669 Word is that its fun but a bit long. Its a fake biography of his life, with crazy stuff going on, not a real biopic.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 10, 2022 04:41 PM (Ivdso)
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I got some good laughs out of it. It's amusing. It drags a bit in places. It isn't the greatest movie ever made, but it's a fun little novelty movie.

It will be far funnier if you know a little bit about Weird Al.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 10, 2022 04:44 PM (DU+/6)

670 630 Which would you prefer if Trump & DeSantis were 100% best buds,

Trump running with DeSantis in full support

-or-

DeSantis running with Trump's full support.

Not saying either is likely but what's your gut preference?
Posted by: banana Dream at November 10, 2022 04:39 PM (0fVbu)

The problem with the "Trump's full support" scenario is that we've had issues transferring his popularity. He has pretty big sway in the primaries but unless he's on the ballot some of his voters aren't showing up.

Ideally we'd have a candidate who is identified as Trump's successor and hope that works.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 10, 2022 04:44 PM (eYoxG)

671 The NTs hate DeSantis as much as they hate Trump.

They are picking but the DeathSantis flag now in order to take out Trump. Then they will turn on DeSantis.

You know this is true.

BUT - there is a tired of Trump contingent, too.

Posted by: blaster at November 10, 2022 04:44 PM (pwExq)

672 I don't think DeSantis is a squish now. But he has taken money from people who will reward squishdom. Eventually they will call in their favors. I'm not saying he will give in, but that they will want him to do so, and their money is addictive.

The smart play there is to take the money, and publicly say you are your own man, and nobody sets your policy but you. If they then stop giving, well, that's worth more than money can buy in terms of cred with the base.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 10, 2022 04:44 PM (eOEVl)

673 The only thing that bugged me about Petticoat Junction was that the girls might pee in the water tank.

Posted by: wth at November 10, 2022 04:44 PM (v0R5T)

674 Yeah, some lunatic at the climate conference called for a fossil fuel non-proliferation treaty.

And that's dumb enough that the UN just might do it.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at November 10, 2022 04:44 PM (UuD2k)

675 "Sheriff’s Deputies Surround Maricopa County Tabulation Center, Perched On Roof, Barricades and Fence Set Up Around Perimeter"

this is disturbing ... trucks are bring in ballots ... sheriff also says no taking photos on the property. WOW, why is that a new law? Days and days to count ... and fabricate or collect form those that did not vote?

They system is working ... for someone.
Posted by: illiniwek

Fabricate. No photos equals no record.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 10, 2022 04:44 PM (ym7CX)

676 A whole lot of things will happen between now and November 2024 including another total solar eclipse.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 10, 2022 04:44 PM (63Dwl)

677 Which would you prefer if Trump & DeSantis were 100% best buds,

Trump running with DeSantis in full support

-or-

DeSantis running with Trump's full support.

Not saying either is likely but what's your gut preference?
Posted by: banana Dream at November 10, 2022 04:39 PM (0fVbu)

Right now T with D. I am less sure D can withstand the attacks, though he did well in the Disney/Hurricaine war.

My Analogy with Patton and Bradley is a close one. Trump has more flash, DeS probably runs the administration better.

If you need the 3 day pivot for the Battle of the Bulge, Patton is your man. Brad runs his army better and doesn't slap privates and sneaks over the Rhine.

The main thing is to get rid of the traitors we have running the rest of the party, or negate their power.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 10, 2022 04:44 PM (eoQWY)

678 And next you're gonna tell me all that Rambo stuff in UHF didn't happen either.

I would never go that far!

Fun Weird Al in other movies

https://youtu.be/cF82nPcR91M

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 10, 2022 04:44 PM (Ivdso)

679 The left wants an offramp to their crazy. Even Ted Wheeler is breaking up the homeless encampments.
We need Trump to kick the left's hornets nest again. Make it impossible for the left to run away from their insane policies, make it impossible for them to gaslight about the damage they've done.
Maybe Trump will win, maybe he won't, but we need him to expose more of the left.

Posted by: Coki at November 10, 2022 04:45 PM (dTzB3)

680 DeSantis is no squish, he can throw a baseball.

Posted by: dartist at November 10, 2022 04:45 PM (9X/y4)

681 464 Sure, those guys *seem* great.

But who has the proven record of indiscriminate kill-crazy tribal violence and cannibalism?

Taylor, that's who.

Vote Taylor, for America.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 10, 2022 04:25 PM (oINRc)

This guy gets it.

Real Men have Body Counts.

Posted by: XTC at November 10, 2022 04:45 PM (UnA8+)

682 Another unfortunate reality is that the second Trump is gone, the entire deep state will turn the same disgusting traitorous efforts against Desantis. So, either way it will be the same outcome.

Unless you go Don and Ron 2024 bitches!!

Lets go!

Posted by: Eli Cash at November 10, 2022 04:45 PM (VZubT)

683 How do you pardon people that haven't been tried yet?
Posted by: fd at November 10, 2022 04:30 PM (sn5EN)

With the stroke of a pen.
Posted by: Gerald R. Ford at November 10, 2022 04:36 PM (yQpMk)
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For any and all criminal acts performed in Washington DC in the United States on January 6, 2021 between the hours of 10 AM and 8 PM.

Posted by: rd at November 10, 2022 04:45 PM (Z32m1)

684 603 Strange we expect more accountability from our football coaches than our political "leaders."
Posted by: Farmer Bob

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You're right, FB. Tbf, coaches are paid a lot more.

Posted by: Prime Sister at November 10, 2022 04:45 PM (tQL7r)

685 You've just described every politician. Every one.

including Trump. People seem to believe Trump self-financed his campaign. Look it up -- he did not.

Posted by: ace at November 10, 2022 04:43 PM

You are correct. trump is currently sitting on over $100 million in various pac's and campaign accounts. and he was extremely miserly in donating to candidates that he endorsed.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at November 10, 2022 04:45 PM (bVYXr)

686 Sports teams fire previously successful coaches all the time, because the players are just tired of hearing the message from the same way, with the same theatrics, for too long of a time, and they've tuned out that coach.

I think you can acknowledge Trump's genius, and his successes, and still think it's time for a new voice.

Posted by: Wally at November 10, 2022 04:45 PM (EkHsf)

687 644 What's CTH?
Posted by: Seems Legit at November 10, 2022 04:41 PM (DcKNO)

Conservative Treehouse aka The Last Refuge. Sundance is a fantastic investigative reporter. I first learned about him when he was the only person reporting the truth on the Trayvon Martin shooting. I've found him to be reliable, and he's got some first rate analysis on Crossfire Hurricane and the rest of the deep state coup attempts we saw from 2016-2020. But his acolytes are like religious zealots sometimes with their purity tests. If we're so doctrinaire that we're calling Rand Paul and Ted Cruz and Tom Cotton "Rinos" then we need a moment of self-reflection.

Posted by: SMFH at November 10, 2022 04:45 PM (TIAb4)

688 The only thing that bugged me about Petticoat Junction was that the girls might pee in the water tank.
Posted by: wth

AND????

Honestly, that was just the water tank for the locomotive.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 10, 2022 04:45 PM (ym7CX)

689 Wasn't Paul Ryan one of the establishment schmucks who recommended several of the disaster appointments Trump made during his first year in office? DeSantis needs to take zero advice from that guy.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at November 10, 2022 04:46 PM (F5ekr)

690 Forget 2024.. I just want to finish up this forever "vote" count now.... We don't even know if we have the House

Posted by: It's me donna at November 10, 2022 04:46 PM (bs+z0)

691 Suppose Trump's big announcement next week features Ron DeSantis?

And the "things I know" are GOPe donors approaching Ron to run against Trump to divide and conquer MAGA?

I won the Powerball jackpot too.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at November 10, 2022 04:46 PM (5EnGD)

692 Because he won them in 2016 by a rounding error and then lost them in 2020, what does that prove?

Posted by: Hylian at November 10, 2022 04:43 PM (dpIbY)

It proves that Trump can make those states, which nobody was previously thinking we could win, winnable. Winning by a hairsbreadth or losing by one is a winnable state.

Those states haven't normally been winnable for Rs.

Is this so hard to understand?

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 10, 2022 04:46 PM (eYoxG)

693 Why is everyone assuming the Republicans have taken the House?

Posted by: E. A. Blair at November 10, 2022 04:46 PM (dJC33)

694 >>>671 The NTs hate DeSantis as much as they hate Trump.

no they hate him about 20% less. They will never hate anyone as much as they hate Trump.

But they do not like him. He is not Their Kind. He is a populist and a conservative. He plays to the same "deplorables" that Trump does, instead of Tricking the Rubes like all gentlemanly GOPe Aristocrats do.

Posted by: ace at November 10, 2022 04:46 PM (C1Zwz)

695 Trump running with DeSantis in full support

-or-

DeSantis running with Trump's full support.

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My preference would be a truce with both of them saying before we make our case as to who should be better between us, we both agree that we need to crush the old guard first.

Posted by: SH (No more Roe) at November 10, 2022 04:46 PM (sX1BW)

696 They tend to choose hot, southern areas for their winter meetings because they kept getting blizzards during their global warming conferences when they held them in Europe or North America.

Plus: vacation spots

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 10, 2022 04:46 PM (Ivdso)

697
Trumps "DeSantimonious" bullhshit kind of made me look at him differently now. This was right at a Rally before election day. It's this kind of petty, childish crap that makes me with Trump would get lost.

Posted by: portlandon at November 10, 2022 04:46 PM (+oR7L)

698 The smart play there is to take the money, and publicly say you are your own man, and nobody sets your policy but you. If they then stop giving, well, that's worth more than money can buy in terms of cred with the base.

Even better, pick an issue you know they want, like lax borders, and come down HARD on it. DeSantis is already doing that, so either they'll suck it up and donate, or refuse to. That refusal is pure electoral gold.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 10, 2022 04:46 PM (eOEVl)

699 DeSantis will have to go after the Never Trumpers publicly which means disowning Paul Ryan, Pence, etc. and their rancid corporatist politics.

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This would help.

Defending Trump from the DOJ would help.

Firing government beurecrats (even if he controls it) would help.

There are things DeSantis can do that will raise him up with Trumpers without having to pick a direct fight with Trump (which would be unwise).
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This is the tell. I am waiting to see if this happens or not. Trump Desantis is a ticket to a big show in 2024, 2028 2032. But the deep state, uniparty and money people don't want that and the have the $ to convince a lot of people including Desantis that the time for Desantis is now. A primary season is called for. Lets find out.

Posted by: tell me why you like somebody better, not why you hate somebody at November 10, 2022 04:47 PM (JuNEE)

700 "Sheriff’s Deputies Surround Maricopa County Tabulation Center, Perched On Roof, Barricades and Fence Set Up Around Perimeter"

this is disturbing ... trucks are bring in ballots ... sheriff also says no taking photos on the property. WOW, why is that a new law?

Law? LOL

Posted by: Methos at November 10, 2022 04:47 PM (kOpft)

701 Only 9 undecided House races are trending R. GOP must win all 9 to control House. Stand by for a midnight ballot dump. They’re stealing the House.

Posted by: Queequeg the Harpooner at November 10, 2022 04:47 PM (9X60i)

702 548 Cruz was doing it already, but many people just don't like him.

No, Cruz showed us how to talk, then betray his people by voting to give Capitol Police a medal for murdering someone and calling January 6th protesters "terrorists". Somehow I cannot find it in my heart to ignore that because I like the way he talks.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 10, 2022 04:32 PM (Ivdso)
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That was well after 2016. The 1/6 2020 BS broke several of our people. But it doesn't change the fact they'd fought before then.

Posted by: Eeyore at November 10, 2022 04:47 PM (TgBWG)

703 this is disturbing ... trucks are bring in ballots ... sheriff also says no taking photos on the property. WOW, why is that a new law? Days and days to count ... and fabricate or collect form those that did not vote?

They system is working ... for someone.
Posted by: illiniwek at November 10, 2022 04:42 PM (Cus5s)

Lots of brand new ballots. over 48h later. Governor Hobbs demands it! Maybe somebody could explain how that's Trump's fault? Sick of the blame Trump for cheating, bullshit. If any GOP federal people are responsible for enabling these coups, it's Pence and Barr.

Posted by: CN at November 10, 2022 04:47 PM (Zzbjj)

704 Do you and likes to spread around their meeting places, so countries can get in on the grift. That's what shows the climate stuff is all bullshit. If they were truly concerned, they wouldn't be flying in from all over the world. They would do electronic meetings. Always watch what they do not what they say.
Posted by: rickb223

Oh I know. It's all bullshit. I was just wondering where our ruling class will get those fine quality whores and drugs they are used to getting in Egypt.

Posted by: Puddleglum at work at November 10, 2022 04:47 PM (bA3Ln)

705 Skip: I thought Shapiro tweeted (or IG or something) before the election, if Fetterman couldn’t serve he would appoint the Scranton mayor?

Posted by: EveR at November 10, 2022 04:47 PM (EZeuH)

706 The "Trump is the only person in the universe who can win X, Y, and Z" is a really lame argument, and the Trump absolutists would be well-served to move on from it. First, even if that were true, the US and GOP are screwed. Because despite how some may act, Trump isn't actually a deity, he will be gone one day. So continuing to reform the GOP to a "party" that is really nothing more than a cult to worship one man is not a smart strategy. Second, it's simply not reasonable to say that someone else can't win those states just because Trump was the first to (barely) do so in a while. Things change. And parties/candidates position themselves in a way to try to win enough states. The idea that only Trump can do it is a baseless assertion. There are better arguments for Trump (e.g., he's the only one who has proven himself in the Presidency). Bad arguments make me only more suspicious.

Posted by: Mad Max in VA at November 10, 2022 04:48 PM (Gu48G)

707 The only thing that bugged me about Petticoat Junction was that the girls might pee in the water tank.

They were literally taking a bath in the water tank. I mean its the railroad tank so nobody is drinking it, but I wouldn't even want to drink Belle Delphine's bath water whether she wee'd in it or not. :/

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 10, 2022 04:48 PM (Ivdso)

708 >>> Body cams for all politicians! Air them on C SPAN 24 7.
Posted by: Holy Crap at November 10, 2022 04:43 PM (glGDV)

There are enough Peter Buttjizz and Gillums out there to make that a hard pass.

Posted by: banana Dream at November 10, 2022 04:48 PM (0fVbu)

709 That was well after 2016. The 1/6 2020 BS broke several of our people. But it doesn't change the fact they'd fought before then.
Posted by: Eeyore at November 10, 2022 04:47 PM (TgBWG)

It said they'd fold hard under pressure.

Posted by: CN at November 10, 2022 04:48 PM (Zzbjj)

710 Really sorry I'm so late to this thread, but just want to clarify that I never said or implied that DeSantis was "establishment." I merely state the fact that the establishment prefers him to Trump. There's a reason for that.

Also, how many flights of illegals did DeSantis send to Martha's Vineyard again?

Posted by: IrishEi at November 10, 2022 04:48 PM (3ImbR)

711 Real Men have Body Counts.
Posted by: XTC

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Ummm, so does Hillary.

Posted by: Prime Sister at November 10, 2022 04:48 PM (tQL7r)

712 including Trump. People seem to believe Trump self-financed his campaign. Look it up -- he did not.
Posted by: ace
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Absolute cheapskate.

Richest man that's ever been President and outside the primary, didnt throw a nickel in.

Trump didnt think he was going to even win, it was almost like a PR stunt that caught fire. Trump had been "running for PResident" for nearly 30 straight years. Conservatives were so sick of GOPe like Jeb Bush they decided they had nothing to lose.

Posted by: Hylian at November 10, 2022 04:49 PM (dpIbY)

713 That was well after 2016. The 1/6 2020 BS broke several of our people

Oh I would have comfortably and happily voted for Ted Cruz in 2016, given the chance. But we all would have largely regretted him winning the presidency.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 10, 2022 04:49 PM (Ivdso)

714 Look away, blood pressure victims:

@NEWSMAX 15m

Former POTUS George W. Bush will chat publicly next week with the man he called the "Winston Churchill of our time," Ukrainian President Zelenskyy, about U.S. aid to Ukraine.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 10, 2022 04:49 PM (IyrhE)

715 Has anyone ever watched the music documentary "Heartworn Highways"? Is it worth buying?

I recently got interested in Townes Van Zandt music, which is why I ask.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 10, 2022 04:49 PM (+za1/)

716 I stood on a street corner with a Bush sign(made 5 bucks can't say what I did for it) bought into all the McCain crap the Bush's garbage republican thrash. Don't get me started on Romney. Trump opened all that up to be seen as crap truth is we been played and lied to for way to long. Establishment demoncrats and repukelacans can kiss my butt I'll go with a fighter be it Trump or or or whomever. But I won't be told it's raining as they piss on my head anymore. And at the end of the day no politician is going to save this world but I sure want a fighter giving them fits as they spew their thrash.

Posted by: SOMEASSHOLESTOLEMYPEN at November 10, 2022 04:49 PM (Whn33)

717 6 more piles of leaves chopped up and in compost bin

Posted by: Skip's phone at November 10, 2022 04:49 PM (xhxe8)

718 I especially like the way we aren't allowed to finish counting ballots in this election, before we have to start fighting about the next one.

We've got a year before this really cranks up again. Take the time to focus on something besides politics.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - move forward at November 10, 2022 04:49 PM (5HBd1)

719 A lot of you mincing, recoiling, nuts drawing up over Trump calling Ron, DeSanctimonious are ridiculous beyond belief. I want candidates to have a knockdown dragon fight for my, MY VOTE. Why would you want anything less from two people vying for something considered so sacred that people have FOUGHT AND DIED FOR?

Posted by: JROD at November 10, 2022 04:49 PM (IlL6s)

720 Wasn't there an old interview with Trump in which he said he wished he was not liked, so he could find out who his friends really were?
Well, after the left's cat-and-mouse game, the fair-weathers' defecting, and DeSantis on the scene, I guess he got what he wished for.
Still, those rallies, tho ...

Posted by: Coki at November 10, 2022 04:49 PM (dTzB3)

721 When Trump called him Ron DeSanctimonious right before the election, I thought - WTF is this guy doing? Has he really not learned any lessons from the past? Is he going to surround himself with backstabbing dumbasses like his last administration? The man is his own worst enemy sometimes. I'll vote for him in a heartbeat if he is the nominee, but will I vote for him in a primary? Not necessarily. Posted by: Colonel Travis
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You really need to actually go to the original context. It was a pointed joke at a DeSantis ad that was over the top in making it St. DeSantis. The subsequent sniping is in response to GOPe types doing their planned op yesterday.

DeSantis needs to denounce the GOPe op and their support if he wants to keep Trump voters in 2024 if he wins the nomination. Trump comes at you from the front which upsets people that want Nice candidates. What most of our elites including GOPe now do is stab people in the back by gossip mongering, deplatforming, demonetizing, doing organized hits on them, etc.

Posted by: whig at November 10, 2022 04:49 PM (CXr4y)

722 Two points

1. Yes Ron will be attacked, every Republican is. And he has been attacked. Remember he is named DEATHSantis after all. He's been attacked for 4 years mercilessly.

2. Unlike Trump he doesn't and won't take the bait every time and step on his dick proving how tough he is in response.

Posted by: DeathSantis 24 at November 10, 2022 04:49 PM (T/7Bm)

723 Oh I know. It's all bullshit. I was just wondering where our ruling class will get those fine quality whores and drugs they are used to getting in Egypt.
Posted by: Puddleglum

They will have them shipped in. Away from the watchful eyes of the press.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 10, 2022 04:49 PM (ym7CX)

724
Trump didnt think he was going to even win, it was almost like a PR stunt that caught fire. Trump had been "running for PResident" for nearly 30 straight years. Conservatives were so sick of GOPe like Jeb Bush they decided they had nothing to lose.
Posted by: Hylian at November 10, 2022 04:49 PM (dpIbY)

Saying you might isn't "running for president" I call BS.

Posted by: CN at November 10, 2022 04:49 PM (Zzbjj)

725 1. GOPe will not allow Trump the nomination. 2. Will GOPe allow DeSantis the nomination? 3. Will Trump endorse DeSantis if GOPe allows DeSantis the nomination?

Posted by: davidt at November 10, 2022 04:50 PM (oTZbj)

726 o they hate him about 20% less. They will never hate anyone as much as they hate Trump.

But they do not like him. He is not Their Kind. He is a populist and a conservative. He plays to the same "deplorables" that Trump does, instead of Tricking the Rubes like all gentlemanly GOPe Aristocrats do.
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They will convince him he can do it. Or try. They will bankroll him. They will offer him the ONE RING. Will he pass the test or will he turn into Jeb Bush? Interesting times.

Posted by: tell me why you like somebody better, not why you hate somebody at November 10, 2022 04:50 PM (YZ3ZD)

727 The idea that only Trump can do it is a baseless assertion. There are better arguments for Trump (e.g., he's the only one who has proven himself in the Presidency). Bad arguments make me only more suspicious.
Posted by: Mad Max in VA at November 10, 2022 04:48 PM (Gu48G)

It's not baseless. It's support by the stats and demographics. Another candidate would need to demonstrate support with the same demos. Or I guess somehow flip massive numbers of blacks or other demos(which is more unrealistic so not what we've been discussing).

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 10, 2022 04:50 PM (eYoxG)

728 59 Daily Wire: The protestor who egged King Charles III during the royal’s visit with the Queen Consort in York has been banned for life against carrying eggs in public.
Posted by: Mark1971
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In the US he'd either have been shot or would have joined the J6 political prisoners.

Posted by: Ben Shapiro at November 10, 2022 04:50 PM (7BcXp)

729 A reminder: Florida would now be under the governorship of a meth addict who passes out with male hookers in a Motel 6 without Trump's relentless endorsement and rallies in 2018. Let's stay away from the RINO's and the trolls, please.

Posted by: Jonah Kyle at November 10, 2022 04:50 PM (R4j1g)

730 Just listened to Charlie Kirk, we will have only a 2 seat majority in the house… wow

The Dems will try to steal those I bet

Posted by: Gonzotx at November 10, 2022 04:50 PM (SMur1)

731 You are correct. trump is currently sitting on over $100 million in various pac's and campaign accounts. and he was extremely miserly in donating to candidates that he endorsed.
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For me, that's the most damning thing.
Like him going golfing while ballots are still being counted in 2020. And cheating out on funding challenges and recounts, te-tweeting Lin Wood instead.

He is still the head cow. No one has done better in the last 2 years. But the bar he set is really, really low.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at November 10, 2022 04:50 PM (5EnGD)

732 I wish we could have waited to June to start this friendly discussion.

Posted by: polynikes at November 10, 2022 04:51 PM (i514R)

733 Really sorry I'm so late to this thread, but just want to clarify that I never said or implied that DeSantis was "establishment." I merely state the fact that the establishment prefers him to Trump. There's a reason for that.

Yes, they hate Trump more than they hate anyone else, because they're tiresome parasites with no vision. However, that doesn't mean DeSantis is the inferior choice, it just means Trump's enemies are idiots.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 10, 2022 04:51 PM (eOEVl)

734
Posted by: ace at November 10, 2022 04:46 PM (C1Zwz)

As Trump was fond of pointing out, they never hated him. They hated the people who voted for him.

If those people vote for Ron DeSantis, the GOP will hate him just as much.

There isn't really a strong argument for any candidate. If they won't be fucked, they don't deserve your vote. If they did, they'd get fucked.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 10, 2022 04:51 PM (oINRc)

735 665 >>>You've just described every politician. Every one.

including Trump. People seem to believe Trump self-financed his campaign. Look it up -- he did not.
Posted by: ace at November 10, 2022 04:43 PM (C1Zwz)

Of course Trump didn't self-finance. First rule of business finance - use Other People's Money. Besides, when he won the nomination he earned the right to use the RNC infrastructure, their mailing lists, and their money. As he should, because Perot taught us what happens with Third Parties in a two-party system. The real test was, was he bought? If he was, then all those proctological investigations that he went through missed one huge detail.

Donald John Trump was the cleanest politician DC has ever seen. Nobody - absolutely nobody - was investigated as much as he was. The man left office at least $1 billion (and counting) poorer than when he entered it. He's paid more, relationally, professionally, and emotionally, than any public politician in my lifetime.

Again, I really like DeSantis. He really needs to count the true cost of what we're talking about him doing.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at November 10, 2022 04:52 PM (fgev6)

736 Saying you might isn't "running for president" I call BS.

Posted by: CN at November 10, 2022 04:49 PM (Zzbjj)

That's some seriously deluded stuff I had heretofore not heard from anyone except someone hard left.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Disinformation Demon at November 10, 2022 04:52 PM (yHsuS)

737 Yikes... We're gonna be lucky to even take the House

Posted by: It's me donna at November 10, 2022 04:52 PM (bs+z0)

738 What most of our elites including GOPe now do is stab people in the back by gossip mongering, deplatforming, demonetizing, doing organized hits on them, etc.

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Its basically Ladie's Bunko night without the wine. Maybe it includes the wine.

Posted by: SH (No more Roe) at November 10, 2022 04:52 PM (sX1BW)

739 McConnell, McDaniel, and McCarthy desperately need us to think that Trump's the reason we didn't win all the seats. The more we crap on Trump, the more the Mc3s get away with sabotage and lousy work.

Posted by: Coki at November 10, 2022 04:52 PM (dTzB3)

740 Lord, I cannot stand George Bush. I hope his bike breaks and his paint store stops selling him paint.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 10, 2022 04:52 PM (+za1/)

741 Seriously look back at how politicians ripped each others guts out in the late 1700's, 1800's.We would whither at what they used to do to each other. We have become too soft to survive and would have died just from the feelz of being insulted over what politicians said to each other back then.

Posted by: JROD at November 10, 2022 04:52 PM (IlL6s)

742 410 Trump plays attack dog himself. It's not a big deal and people should stop moaning about it. It doesn't have some moral implication for either candidate.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 10, 2022 04:13 PM (eYoxG)
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Yes he does. And he swung way too early and foolishly. Have we heard anything from "Ron" after this. Not a word. How do you beat a wild swinger. You let him tire himself out swinging wildly. And then when exhausted you nail him.
Posted by: Black JEM at November 10, 2022 04:

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Lol Trump
NEVER tires NEVER!!!!!

Posted by: Gonzotx at November 10, 2022 04:52 PM (SMur1)

743 If conservatives only win is 8 years of Reagan since the 1830's-40's to define conservatism, then maybe it doesn't work (or at least cannot conserve the actual country and People).
Posted by: Yay! at November 10, 2022 04:37 PM (qu6IK)

Winning a Civil War might be considered a win in some circles.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 10, 2022 04:52 PM (eoQWY)

744 I'm going to let the next year play out before I start worrying about who gets the nod and who doesn't like someone else. Dems win because aside from cheating. They know how to rally around each other. I give them credit for that.

Posted by: Minnfidel Looking For Jackie at November 10, 2022 04:52 PM (yb11p)

745 After what happened in 2020 during the six-state freeze, and what happened this year in PA, and what's happening right now in AZ, I make a pledge.

The next time a US official starts droning about "democracy" during an international event, I will buy $1,000 in sovereign bonds from the country who's representative first laughs in the official's face and then sucker-punches him.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 10, 2022 04:52 PM (DU+/6)

746 There are fewer balls in the Republican Party then at all female bachelor party for Chris Hayes.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 10, 2022 04:52 PM (eacmp)

747 648 Posted by: SMFH at November 10, 2022 04:40 PM (TIAb4)

He has been on the Never DeSantis train for a while. He can be a little full of him self
Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at November 10, 2022 04:42 PM (M+Lyo)
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Everyone is full of himself at some point. These bloggers who put their thoughts / analysis out there every day have guts that I don't have. It takes some real mental fortitude to do what the boys here at AOSHQ and elsewhere do. I can't even write out my own thoughts without just deleting most of them, because I just don't have the motivation to defend them.

I think Sundance is a fellow traveler, even if I don't agree with him all the time...same as Ace and the COBS.

Posted by: MattyCO at November 10, 2022 04:53 PM (7DHQv)

748 Just to make an obvious point crystal clear, NeverTrump doesn't want DeSantis.

NeverTrump wants obvious fake Republicans like Mitt Romney or Liz Cheney. Or better yet, just convincing enough Republicans to get the Democrat elected is the real goal. And getting oligarch money to do it.

If DeSantis is our nominee, these people aren't going to be behind DeSantis.

We saw them even condemning people like VA Governor Younkin as "too Trumpy".

Posted by: Hylian at November 10, 2022 04:53 PM (dpIbY)

749 Richest man that's ever been President and outside the primary, didnt throw a nickel in.

hylian
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The primaries are the tough part. You get federal funding , and national support. Its during the primaries that candidates get bought by special interests.

But, I know you are working the job. I'll tell your boss you put in a full 8 hours today.

Posted by: tell me why you like somebody better, not why you hate somebody at November 10, 2022 04:53 PM (LgF/l)

750 A lot of you mincing, recoiling, nuts drawing up over Trump calling Ron, DeSanctimonious are ridiculous beyond belief

Well, just as long as we're keeping things civil.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 10, 2022 04:53 PM (eOEVl)

751 Are there any links to this alleged AZ fuckery? Because I'm about sick of taking people at their word. People who allege fuckery and people who proclaim a surefire win. Sick of it.

Posted by: McLurkerson at November 10, 2022 04:53 PM (wNDOJ)

752 Posted by: Hylian

Have you ever thought of swallowing your own tongue?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 10, 2022 04:53 PM (IyrhE)

753 Posted by: JROD at November 10, 2022 04:49 PM (IlL6s)

Nobody follows the Reagan 11th commandment

Posted by: CN at November 10, 2022 04:53 PM (Zzbjj)

754 739 McConnell, McDaniel, and McCarthy desperately need us to think that Trump's the reason we didn't win all the seats. The more we crap on Trump, the more the Mc3s get away with sabotage and lousy work.
Posted by: Coki at November 10, 2022 04:52 PM (dTzB3)

BINGO!!!

Posted by: Gonzotx at November 10, 2022 04:53 PM (SMur1)

755 Daily Wire: The protestor who egged King Charles III during the royal’s visit with the Queen Consort in York

has been banned for life against carrying eggs in public.
Posted by: Mark1971

And here I thought we were an unserious country.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 10, 2022 04:53 PM (ym7CX)

756 Paul fkin Ryan is dead to me

Posted by: Skip's phone at November 10, 2022 04:53 PM (xhxe8)

757 no they hate him about 20% less. They will never hate anyone as much as they hate Trump.

Posted by: ace at November 10, 2022 04:46 PM (C1Zwz)

I pretty much never disagree with ace, so I'm probably wrong this time. But I will just say that in my lifetime (I've been 29 for 21 years), EVERY single GOP nominee has been the most evil in history, and EVERY time, the previous most evil in history was better by comparison (e.g., at least Bush referred to Islam as the religion of peace, etc.). Every. Single. Time. I actually told my leftist friends this when Bush left office after 2008 and they were acting so happy that we would never have such an evil, stupid, Hitler-clone President again. I told them just wait, you will consider the next one worse. It is always the case, and then only after the fact do they find a strange new respect...Trump is definitely going to test my theory, but it has proven true 100% of the time so far, so I may as well stick with it. They will insist DeSantis is worse.

Posted by: Mad Max in VA at November 10, 2022 04:54 PM (Gu48G)

758 If DeSantis is honest and true, then the uniparty will Ted Stevens him. If that doesn't work, then they'll Trump him.

Posted by: Coki at November 10, 2022 04:54 PM (dTzB3)

759 Trump brings a monster America First vote which would otherwise stay home. They won't vote for DeSantis. They won't.

Posted by: exdeadhead at November 10, 2022 04:54 PM (MoNet)

760
If conservatives only win is 8 years of Reagan since the 1830's-40's to define conservatism, then maybe it doesn't work (or at least cannot conserve the actual country and People).
Posted by: Yay! at November 10, 2022 04:37 PM (qu6IK)

The Conservative movement didn't exist until post-FDR. And yeah, it mostly failed to do what it was constructed for, rolling back a lot of New Deal stuff. It did roll back a lot of other stuff that came later though.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 10, 2022 04:54 PM (eYoxG)

761 Not going to quote the troll, but want to nip this in the bud.

GOP is leading in 11 remaining districts and needs to win 6 more to take the House.

Conversely, the Democrats need to win 24 more seats to take control.

Believe me, if the Democrats were going to win the district, they would be called already.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 10, 2022 04:54 PM (5p7BC)

762 @NEWSMAX
Former POTUS George W. Bush will chat publicly next week with the man he called the "Winston Churchill of our time," Ukrainian President Zelenskyy, about U.S. aid to Ukraine.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 10, 2022 04:49 PM (IyrhE)
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Must-see TV. I am sure it will be just riveting.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 10, 2022 04:54 PM (DU+/6)

763 I was in Ivory Coast when VP Quayle met with Charles Taylor there.

Taylor knew how to do warlord - his limo had hand rails and steps for all the guys with AKs to hang off of.

Posted by: blaster at November 10, 2022 04:54 PM (pwExq)

764 719 A lot of you mincing, recoiling, nuts drawing up over Trump calling Ron, DeSanctimonious are ridiculous beyond belief. I want candidates to have a knockdown dragon fight for my, MY VOTE. Why would you want anything less from two people vying for something considered so sacred that people have FOUGHT AND DIED FOR?
Posted by: JROD at November 10, 2022 04:49 PM (IlL6s)

Because there's still that part where people have to want to vote for you. And let's face it, there's a difference between a bum fight and a technical masterpiece. Maybe people are tired of the bum fights.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at November 10, 2022 04:55 PM (KbCG3)

765 Take a stress pill and think things over.

Posted by: HAL9000 at November 10, 2022 04:55 PM (F5ekr)

766 So I have a friend that works at a political consulting firm that is working with Mark Kelly in AZ.

He just got off the phone with a Democrat "PooBah".

They say Lake is going to win. And Masters loses.

Posted by: Hylian at November 10, 2022 04:55 PM (dpIbY)

767 Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 10, 2022 04:54 PM (5p7BC)

Thanks.. Didn't know that was a troll

Posted by: It's me donna at November 10, 2022 04:55 PM (bs+z0)

768 Has anyone ever watched the music documentary "Heartworn Highways"? Is it worth buying?

Sounds good, but no I haven't. Apparently its streaming on Fubo and DirectTV as well as Showtime services for free. I'll try to look it up.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 10, 2022 04:55 PM (Ivdso)

769 Posted by: Hylian

Have you ever thought of swallowing your own tongue?
Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 10, 2022 04:53 PM (IyrhE)
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But then, who would clean Bill Kristol's ass?

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 10, 2022 04:55 PM (+za1/)

770 "Another candidate would need to demonstrate support with the same demos. "

Go back and see how Trump polled with those demos at the beginning and get back to me.

Candidates build their base over time. DeSantis has built an incredible base in Florida. He starts to build a national base with an advantage.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 10, 2022 04:56 PM (eacmp)

771 635 598 Actor Rainn Wilson, who played "Dwight Schrute" in the popular TV show "The Office," has changed his name in an effort to bring awareness to and protest climate change.

The 56-year-old actor's new name, which Wilson announced on Twitter in a video, is "Rainnfall Heat Wave Extreme Winter Wilson."
........

Shoulda just went with "Dumbass".
Posted by: wth at November 10, 2022 04:37 PM (v0R5T)

*Weeps*

Posted by: Meta World Peace at November 10, 2022 04:56 PM (OZjDX)

772 Just to make an obvious point crystal clear, NeverTrump doesn't want DeSantis.
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They didn't really want Jeb Bush or Mitt Romney or John McCain either. They don't want to win. They want someone who is going to lose gracefully. Or just lose. If trump is such a sure loss, why the panic from them -- they should be happy? Thanks for making it so clear to everyone.

I'mma have to call your boss and take back the praise.

Posted by: tell me why you like somebody better, not why you hate somebody at November 10, 2022 04:56 PM (N2yWM)

773 Former POTUS George W. Bush will chat publicly next week with the man he called the "Winston Churchill of our time," Ukrainian President Zelenskyy, about U.S. aid to Ukraine.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 10, 2022 04:49 PM (IyrhE)

My favorite Churchill moment was when he banned all opposition parties and bought that land in Switzerland with money intended for the war effort.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 10, 2022 04:56 PM (eoQWY)

774 "Sheriff’s Deputies Surround Maricopa County Tabulation Center, Perched On Roof, Barricades and Fence Set Up Around Perimeter"

this is disturbing ... trucks are bring in ballots ... sheriff also says no taking photos on the property. WOW, why is that a new law? Days and days to count ... and fabricate or collect form those that did not vote?

They system is working ... for someone.
Posted by: illiniwek at November 10, 2022 04:42 PM (Cus5s)

Last I heard there were 290K day of ballots to be counted and the county was slow walking the count. They are expected to break AT LEAST two thirds for Lake and Masters, and should be enough to push Lake well over the top, and likely Masters too.

But Abortion Barbie's goons are playing games with the other counties, pushing through those results and slowing rural counties and the same day Maricopa ballots.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 10, 2022 04:56 PM (YV6PJ)

775 >>> However, that doesn't mean DeSantis is the inferior choice, it just means Trump's enemies are idiots.
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I agree. My point is that the GOPe likely sees DeSantis as more malleable--Freedom Caucus founder or not.

Anyone here remember the Young Guns?

Posted by: IrishEi at November 10, 2022 04:56 PM (3ImbR)

776 I see the never-Trumpers are beating the drum.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at November 10, 2022 04:56 PM (geVLo)

777 IMHO, there's a staggering amount of garment rending and argument right now over different types of tree bark, while ignoring the forest.

I'm fortunate to live in the great state of Ohio. We have 8 million registered voters. 4 million of them voted. My county is blood red and went for Vance by a heavy margin...with 60% turnout.

Half the bloody electorate couldn't be bothered to fill out a ballot. THAT is both the root problem and the root solution. If even 20% of the no shows were convinced to vote for a R, in any state in the union, fraud becomes meaningless.

Posted by: SeaWorldActual at November 10, 2022 04:56 PM (tgEY/)

778 There's too much hidden to settle this now.

Posted by: exdeadhead at November 10, 2022 04:56 PM (MoNet)

779 @NEWSMAX
Former POTUS George W. Bush will chat publicly next week with the man he called the "Winston Churchill of our time," Ukrainian President Zelenskyy, about U.S. aid to Ukraine.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 10, 2022 04:49 PM (IyrhE)
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Must-see TV. I am sure it will be just riveting.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 10, 2022 04:54 PM (DU+/6)

If he punches Bush in his fucking face, I will change my tune and go all in on Ukraine.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Disinformation Demon at November 10, 2022 04:56 PM (yHsuS)

780 They will insist DeSantis is worse.
Posted by: Mad Max in VA at November 10, 2022 04:54 PM (Gu48G)

The NTs are not yet there, but the media has already labeled DeSantis as Trump but scarier because he's competent.

Posted by: blaster at November 10, 2022 04:56 PM (pwExq)

781 770 "Another candidate would need to demonstrate support with the same demos. "

Go back and see how Trump polled with those demos at the beginning and get back to me.

Candidates build their base over time. DeSantis has built an incredible base in Florida. He starts to build a national base with an advantage.
Posted by: Marcus T at November 10, 2022 04:56 PM (eacmp)

We saw Trump's strength in those demos from early on in the primaries. If someone else has the same connection, it'll show up by splitting those votes off from him.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 10, 2022 04:56 PM (eYoxG)

782 Lol, the troll has a friend.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at November 10, 2022 04:56 PM (UuD2k)

783 Yikes... We're gonna be lucky to even take the House

Luck has about as much to do with US elections as voters.

Posted by: Methos at November 10, 2022 04:56 PM (kOpft)

784 Are there any links to this alleged AZ fuckery? Because I'm about sick of taking people at their word. People who allege fuckery and people who proclaim a surefire win. Sick of it.
Posted by: McLurkerson
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Well, you could go do your own research. *shrug*

Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 10, 2022 04:56 PM (5p7BC)

785 Former POTUS George W. Bush will chat publicly next week with the man he called the "Winston Churchill of our time," Ukrainian President Zelenskyy

Man they are overselling this crap like maniacs. The Deep State must REALLY like Ukraine.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 10, 2022 04:57 PM (Ivdso)

786 I don't fault any reds for assuming someone is a DC firster in sheep's clothing. Just in my lifetime I lost count of the amount of times we have been burned and betrayed.

I think the concern about desantis getting money from the nevertrump crowd are legitimate questions. Are they using him or are they using us? Full eyes open. Desantis earned my trust when he didn't back down or throw the game when fighting Disney. Either he has written a new GOP.DC.CORP play book or he is not a fake.

We rightly give Trump alot of flak for much of dumb stuff he says, but a big part of it like "the wall just hit 10 feet higher" and "if iw as president you would be in jail." Are actually him virtue signalling to conservatives that he won't be bullied by the media.

Posted by: Shiggz (defective slave) at November 10, 2022 04:57 PM (WY5fe)

787 I agree. My point is that the GOPe likely sees DeSantis as more malleable--Freedom Caucus founder or not.

I'm sure they do, and I'm equally sure they're wrong. It isn't my job to correct their mistakes.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 10, 2022 04:57 PM (eOEVl)

788 6 more piles of leaves chopped up and in compost bin
Posted by: Skip's phone

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Good for you, Skip! Time well spent. 😉

Posted by: Prime Sister at November 10, 2022 04:58 PM (tQL7r)

789 >>> Real Men have Body Counts.
Posted by: XTC

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Ummm, so does Hillary.
Posted by: Prime Sister at November 10, 2022 04:48 PM (tQL7r)

Q.E.D

Posted by: banana Dream at November 10, 2022 04:58 PM (0fVbu)

790 A lot of you mincing, recoiling, nuts

My firearms recoil. I prance and sashay. Keep it straight, talking erection.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at November 10, 2022 04:58 PM (ppBhU)

791 Trump won in 2016 by running on a Nationalist platform tapping into 80's and 90's White Peepol energy. Remember how tense things were before and after Waco... I do.

Trump abandoned the Bannon DIA faction nationalist platform for the Jared and Ivanka running The Oval Office option by late 2017 early 2018.

Just don't be surprised when Jared and Ivanka are calling the shots again by Feb. 2025. I don't believe we can survive those 2 running the country up until 2029.

Posted by: Yay! at November 10, 2022 04:58 PM (qu6IK)

792 Are there any links to this alleged AZ fuckery?

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If you can't deliver the results two days after the election then the onus is on you to disprove the fuckery.

Posted by: SH (No more Roe) at November 10, 2022 04:58 PM (sX1BW)

793 I see the never-Trumpers are beating the drum.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at November 10, 2022 04:56 PM (geVLo)

As pointed out above, we need a new term for people who have been looking for and seizing on any reason to ditch Trump since 2017, after reluctantly voting for him.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Disinformation Demon at November 10, 2022 04:58 PM (yHsuS)

794 People who were still Democrats in 2022 will need to vote for Trump in 2024 for him to have any chance of beating the fix we've witnessed in now 2 successive national elections and win.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at November 10, 2022 04:58 PM (F5ekr)

795 Man they are overselling this crap like maniacs. The Deep State must REALLY like Ukraine.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 10, 2022 04:57 PM (Ivdso)

How else were they going to justify buying a ton of new shit for the military?

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at November 10, 2022 04:58 PM (UuD2k)

796 McConnell, McDaniel, and McCarthy...the Mc3
Posted by: Coki at November 10, 2022 04:52 PM (dTzB3)

Ooh, that's good! That'll stick as a name.

Posted by: J. Frank Parnell at November 10, 2022 04:59 PM (t4BDZ)

797 You really need to actually go to the original context. It was a pointed joke at a DeSantis ad that was over the top in making it St. DeSantis.
Posted by: whig at November 10, 2022 04:49 PM (CXr4y)
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What was the ad?

Posted by: Colonel Travis at November 10, 2022 04:59 PM (RG7Wy)

798 I won the Powerball jackpot too.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at November 10, 2022 04:46 PM (5EnGD)

Won the Powerball Lottery?

In the Immortal Words of Chris Carter, you need a Fall Guy. Make sure you know who will be your fall guy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Hkm5sEcmVY

You are People's Hippo Voice Incorporated.

Posted by: rd at November 10, 2022 05:00 PM (Z32m1)

799 795 Man they are overselling this crap like maniacs. The Deep State must REALLY like Ukraine.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 10, 2022 04:57 PM (Ivdso)

How else were they going to justify buying a ton of new shit for the military?
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at November 10, 2022 04:58 PM (UuD2k)

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Nation builders want a new shiny toy and a washing machine to clean all that new money.

Posted by: tryhardneckbeard at November 10, 2022 05:00 PM (OLVeZ)

800 On Wednesday, Los Angeles County prosecutor George Gascon dropped criminal charges against Eugene Yu, CEO of the Michigan election software company Konnech.

Yu was arrested in October, and stands accused of storing data on poll workers in a China-based server, which was a breach of the company’s contract with LA County.

In a statement, the district attorney’s office said that it had dropped the case due to concerns regarding the “pace of the investigation” and the “potential bias in the presentation” of evidence in the case.

“Mr. Yu is an innocent man,” said Gary Lincenberg, Yu’s lawyer, adding that “conspiracy theorists” were using the arrest to “further their political agenda.”

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at November 10, 2022 05:00 PM (yikp0)

801 I know Trump did not completely self-finance. But he didn't sell out completely when the favors were called in. He could have squished out any number of times on lots of different issues. He's earned that trust from people who do not trust the R party. DeSantis has earned it from FL and well. But it is no contest between which race will take more money, time, and sacrifice. He may be able to do it. But he also might not. I actually would be fine with either, but you have to consider the voters Trump brings. He has many voters absolute loyalty, and going up against him in a primary likely means those people stay home.

Posted by: Catherine at November 10, 2022 05:00 PM (ZSsrh)

802 I pretty much never disagree with ace, so I'm probably wrong this time. But I will just say that in my lifetime (I've been 29 for 21 years), EVERY single GOP nominee has been the most evil in history, and EVERY time, the previous most evil in history was better by comparison

...Trump is definitely going to test my theory, but it has proven true 100% of the time so far, so I may as well stick with it. They will insist DeSantis is worse.
Posted by: Mad Max in VA at November 10, 2022 04:54 PM (Gu48G)

Yes Chimpy-McHitler-GW Bush already has gotten his strange new respect awards from the Leftists and Press. Trump might be a bridge too far

Posted by: Oldcat at November 10, 2022 05:00 PM (eoQWY)

803 Believe me, if the Democrats were going to win the district, they would be called already.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 10, 2022 04:54 PM (5p7BC)

Same can be said about AZ and Maricopa. Trolls can make up whatever nonsense they want, and until they count ALL those same day ballots, any numbers that look bad for Lake and Masters are b.s. created by Team Abortion, and have no basis in reality.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 10, 2022 05:00 PM (YV6PJ)

804 I wish we could have waited to June to start this friendly discussion.
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Well, there's a lot of this $ floating around now. Times a wasting.

Posted by: tell me why you like somebody better, not why you hate somebody at November 10, 2022 05:00 PM (rb0DY)

805 I want candidates to have a knockdown dragon fight for my, MY VOTE. Why would you want anything less from two people vying for something considered so sacred that people have FOUGHT AND DIED FOR?
Posted by: JROD

Politics of the gossiping boudoir class--never mind what he did--DID YOU HEAR WHAT HE SAID!!! I CAN"T EVEN!!! REEE!!!. It is like a funhouse mirror of the Left and I think it is the same problem that the Tories have had since Margaret Thatcher. At some point, talk became substituted for action and the interest of the upper class in cheap labor, cheap goods, and financialization of the economy (maximizing the return for stock gains) has left the country poorer per capita, weaker internationally because the upper class likes to send the working class sons off to war while cravenly buying off leftist domestic opponents.
This whole GOPe op stinks to high heaven and when I feel I am getting the rush job. I dig my heels in and become contrarian simply because people are making opinion statements that have little or no relation to facts on the ground.

Posted by: whig at November 10, 2022 05:00 PM (CXr4y)

806 One thing you have to understand. Whenever the DC asshats say they are giving Ukraine another $400 billion, that's just the tip of the iceberg.

They are also sending them our military equipment that was already paid for and will need to be replaced.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at November 10, 2022 05:00 PM (UuD2k)

807 >Former POTUS George W. Bush will chat publicly next week with the man he called the "Winston Churchill of our time," Ukrainian President Zelenskyy

How many wars does the Connecticut asshole want to start?

Posted by: BourbonChicken at November 10, 2022 05:00 PM (44ww/)

808 The NTs are not yet there, but the media has already labeled DeSantis as Trump but scarier because he's competent.

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You haven't been following NTs enough then. They've already gone ND.

Posted by: McLurkerson at November 10, 2022 05:00 PM (wNDOJ)

809 The economy will improve in the next 2 years, and the Dem will win in 2024, or everything will keep going to shit in the next 2 years, and a lot of Republicans could win.

Posted by: Wally at November 10, 2022 05:01 PM (EkHsf)

810 And I agree a million percent with the beginning of this post. They think that Trump's time is past, they can lead the way out the door,

Posted by: Catherine at November 10, 2022 05:01 PM (ZSsrh)

811 How else were they going to justify buying a ton of new shit for the military?

Yeah its the next best thing for the military-industrial complex after an actual war. They've been at it more or less constantly since WW2, always some new excuse to buy new weapons and give them way or use them in one conflict after another.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 10, 2022 05:01 PM (Ivdso)

812 While you're in here stirring up shit, you're being cucked by your spouse and a non-English speaking bull.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at November 10, 2022 05:01 PM (geVLo)

813 DeSantis will have his turn, and will do well sometime after 2024.

Whig is right; this "feud" between Trump and DeSantis (who Trump was happy to admit having just voted for) is pure fiction. As is any discussion about Trump being "old news", tine to move on, that sort of silliness.

Trump has never been more influential. Politicians make endorsements all the time, and it usually doesn't mean diddly-squat. A Trump endorsement gives you something like a 95% chance of being elected.

Posted by: Optimizer at November 10, 2022 05:01 PM (hOOi9)

814 How many wars does the Connecticut asshole want to start?

As many as he needs to finally be associated with a successful one.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at November 10, 2022 05:01 PM (ppBhU)

815 You really need to actually go to the original context. It was a pointed joke at a DeSantis ad that was over the top in making it St. DeSantis.

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DeSantis does come across as a bit self-righteous. Or overly serious. But that is his personality and he should play to it. Be who you are. Don't be fake. Fake doesn't look good. If your actions back up your words, who cares.

Posted by: SH (No more Roe) at November 10, 2022 05:01 PM (sX1BW)

816 I wish we could have waited until June to start this friendly discussion.

Posted by: polynikes

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You and me both, polynikes. The trolls have got to be enjoying this.

Posted by: Prime Sister at November 10, 2022 05:01 PM (tQL7r)

817 Former POTUS George W. Bush will chat publicly next week with the man he called the "Winston Churchill of our time," Ukrainian President Zelenskyy

Man they are overselling this crap like maniacs. The Deep State must REALLY like Ukraine.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

It's a real mystery why the Derp State treats them well. Kazar Milkers of course!

Posted by: Yay! at November 10, 2022 05:02 PM (qu6IK)

818 Man they are overselling this crap like maniacs. The Deep State must REALLY like Ukraine.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 10, 2022 04:57 PM (Ivdso)

How else were they going to justify buying a ton of new shit for the military?
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at November 10, 2022 04:58 PM (UuD2k)

They need the new shit to replace the old shit they sent. Now the problem is they might not be able to make the new shit at all - old components, no factories, parts made in China.

But the big guy gets his 10 percent.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 10, 2022 05:02 PM (eoQWY)

819 My own take right now is: I don't know. Others may, but there's still a matter of degree of certainty. And the varying degrees of resemblance and dissimilarity.

I'm not crazy about people who argue as if one difference makes two things opposites. Or that one similarity makes them identicals. I'm willing to wait.

Posted by: Eeyore at November 10, 2022 05:02 PM (TgBWG)

820 AZ finishing today or milking it out till next week? Unreal
Updates on the remaining failed states?

Posted by: A dude in mi at November 10, 2022 05:02 PM (/6GbT)

821 DeSantis running with Trump's full support.
Posted by: banana Dream

It's possible some DeSantis people do not want Trump anywhere near his run.
I mean some don't want Trump to announce before the Georgia vote is final, that's how toxic they think he is.
If Desantis is the winner of the primary then Trump must bow out. I can't see having it both ways.

Posted by: old chick at November 10, 2022 05:02 PM (sOete)

822 McCarthy and McConnell bring shame on their families.

They should commit seppuku.

Posted by: Archer at November 10, 2022 05:02 PM (gmo/4)

823 People who were still Democrats in 2022 will need to vote for Trump in 2024 for him to have any chance of beating the fix we've witnessed in now 2 successive national elections and win.
Posted by: Chairman LMAO at November 10, 2022 04:58 PM (F5ekr)

I suppose that would require an energy crisis and high inflation.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at November 10, 2022 05:02 PM (44ww/)

824 Well, you could go do your own research. *shrug*

Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 10, 2022 04:56 PM (5p7BC)

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I'm not the one making the allegations or claims. The only thing I've seen is speculative bullshit, so anyone making the claims needs to put up or shut up.

Posted by: McLurkerson at November 10, 2022 05:02 PM (wNDOJ)

825 “conspiracy theorists” were using the arrest to “further their political agenda.”

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at November 10, 2022 05:00 PM (yikp0)

Did he make a youtube video nobody viewed?

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Disinformation Demon at November 10, 2022 05:02 PM (yHsuS)

826 I approve this message.

Posted by: Ron Desantis at November 10, 2022 05:03 PM (yfW84)

827 F these bastiges. I’m folding up my tent and moving on. Spit.

Posted by: Linda Sina at November 10, 2022 05:03 PM (Yrvb3)

828 I approve this message.

Posted by: Ron Desantis at November 10, 2022 05:03 PM (yfW84)

lol

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Disinformation Demon at November 10, 2022 05:03 PM (yHsuS)

829
To the point in question: Who will lead the House?

Because if the answer "someone who won't won't suck Dem dick on command" is the answer... well prepared to be disappointed.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 10, 2022 05:03 PM (oINRc)

830 My gosh I hate this.

Posted by: Grammie Winger at November 10, 2022 05:04 PM (45fpk)

831 Although if Paul Ryan wants the Uniparty to win, knowing that Biden is now all in for 2024, the best thing he could have done was to tell Trump not to run, b/c he can't stop himself from the put down...

Posted by: Nova local at November 10, 2022 05:04 PM (exHjb)

832 I go for lunch and there are over 800 comments already!!!

Posted by: IC - #FJB at November 10, 2022 05:04 PM (mnUzy)

833 I'm not the one making the allegations or claims. The only thing I've seen is speculative bullshit, so anyone making the claims needs to put up or shut up.
Posted by: McLurkerson at November 10, 2022 05:02 PM (wNDOJ)
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Funny. You're claiming the claims are bullshit and/or fuckery.
Evidence?
None.

I like how everyone has to do work but you.

Posted by: Colonel Travis at November 10, 2022 05:04 PM (RG7Wy)

834 How else were they going to justify buying a ton of new shit for the military?
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at November 10, 2022 04:58 PM (UuD2k)

That's just it - we aren't making replacements of the arms we've been shipping. We're just drawing down our reserves.

Posted by: Archer at November 10, 2022 05:04 PM (gmo/4)

835 What was the ad?
Posted by: Colonel Travis

https://tinyurl.com/246fdc34

Link goes to MSNBC
On the eighth day, his campaign tells us, God sent Ron DeSantis to save America
https://tinyurl.com/246fdc34

Posted by: whig at November 10, 2022 05:04 PM (CXr4y)

836 EVERY single GOP nominee has been the most evil in history, and EVERY time, the previous most evil in history was better by comparison

https://youtu.be/_ul2OuvPOQE?t=41

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 10, 2022 05:04 PM (Ivdso)

837 I'm not the one making the allegations or claims. The only thing I've seen is speculative bullshit, so anyone making the claims needs to put up or shut up.

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Perhaps if the person in charge of the election wasn't also a contestant in an election that has still not been called 2 days later would have tampered down some of this speculation.

Posted by: SH (No more Roe) at November 10, 2022 05:04 PM (sX1BW)

838 Man they are overselling this crap like maniacs. The Deep State must REALLY like Ukraine.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 10, 2022 04:57 PM (Ivdso)

How else were they going to justify buying a ton of new shit for the military?
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at November 10, 2022 04:58 PM (UuD2k)
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Buy shit for the Military? How about getting their own 10% for themselves? Think Joe Biden's kids are the only ones cashing in. John F'ing Kerry's kid was right there too. So was Mitt's buddy Cofer Black too. And a thousand other politically connected grifters.

Posted by: rd at November 10, 2022 05:05 PM (Z32m1)

839 LOL the Left wing Sports Writers and Teams are finding out a Muslim County is against Gay and Trans Rights and will Jail them. And they are putting out Statements wringing their hands about it.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at November 10, 2022 05:06 PM (dKiJG)

840 Posted by: Colonel Travis at November 10, 2022 05:04 PM (RG7Wy)

Not how it works, Sport. But keep wagging the e-peen.

Posted by: McLurkerson at November 10, 2022 05:06 PM (wNDOJ)

841 791...Just don't be surprised when Jared and Ivanka are calling the shots again by Feb. 2025. I don't believe we can survive those 2 running the country up until 2029.
Posted by: Yay! at November 10, 2022 04:58 PM (qu6IK)
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Did you read Navarro's book? All laid out there as you say. Sad that Trump put faith in those two. I pray that doesn't continue. But who knows?

Posted by: MattyCO at November 10, 2022 05:06 PM (7DHQv)

842 Once again, folks, per Uncle Milton: We have to make it politically profitable for the wrong people to do the right things.
Posted by: SMFH

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That quote from Milton has been running through my mind constantly since the "election." He was on to something big.

Posted by: Prime Sister at November 10, 2022 05:06 PM (tQL7r)

843 Link goes to MSNBC
On the eighth day, his campaign tells us, God sent Ron DeSantis to save America
https://tinyurl.com/246fdc34

Posted by: whig at November 10, 2022 05:04 PM (CXr4y)

Whoever signed off on that message really had DeathSanta's best interest in mind and should be promoted.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Disinformation Demon at November 10, 2022 05:06 PM (yHsuS)

844 "Yeah its the next best thing for the military-industrial complex after an actual war. They've been at it more or less constantly since WW2, always some new excuse to buy new weapons and give them way or use them in one conflict after another."

The heyday for the defense industry was the Cold War, where not a shot was fired. The idea that they want a war to make money doesn't really fly with me. If anything, a war might expose any flaws in what they sold the government.

Technology is expensive, and quickly goes out of date, and today's military is all about technology. No actual war required to make huge sums of money.

Elon Musk is the biggest these days. How many people are they shooting at with his satellites?

Posted by: Optimizer at November 10, 2022 05:06 PM (hOOi9)

845 Was listening to Levin - yeah, I know - while walking today and he thinks there may be a red wave in 2024, but the pollsters were two years off.

He also said that we should ignore pollsters, because this election, most of them were guessing, and people got their hopes up, or worse, stayed home.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 10, 2022 05:06 PM (d2bW3)

846 Someone help me out, we got the Republicans all tugging their twigs and planning out leadership, but its becoming more glaringly obvious that they aren't going to take the House.

Basing your victory on California giving us some more seats? Surely they jest.

Posted by: tryhardneckbeard at November 10, 2022 05:06 PM (OLVeZ)

847 How else were they going to justify buying a ton of new shit for the military?

From Robocop:

"I had a guaranteed military sale with ED209! Renovation program! Spare parts for 25 years! Who cares if it worked or not!"
--Dick Jones

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 10, 2022 05:06 PM (Ivdso)

848 831 Although if Paul Ryan wants the Uniparty to win, knowing that Biden is now all in for 2024, the best thing he could have done was to tell Trump not to run, b/c he can't stop himself from the put down...
Posted by: Nova local
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Ryan has little or no effect on Trump's decision. Trump was running and has been teasing that for two years. DeSantis has downplayed but never specifically said he was not running (that is politician speak for testing the waters to see if he could win).

Posted by: whig at November 10, 2022 05:06 PM (CXr4y)

849 793 I see the never-Trumpers are beating the drum.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at November 10, 2022 04:56 PM (geVLo)

As pointed out above, we need a new term for people who have been looking for and seizing on any reason to ditch Trump since 2017, after reluctantly voting for him.
Posted by: Comrade flounder, Disinformation Demon

His original 2015-2016 base made up of White Men (Pro White to WigNat) were ditched first. He got all his messaging from those highly motivated groups.
Maybe we feel like y'all and Trump shit on us.

Posted by: Yay! at November 10, 2022 05:06 PM (qu6IK)

850 I just knew the flame war was coming.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at November 10, 2022 05:06 PM (3Lw3j)

851 >>> My firearms recoil. I prance and sashay. Keep it straight, talking erection.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at November 10, 2022 04:58 PM (ppBhU)

If your erection talks for more than four hours you should seek help immediately because it is probably lonely and needs to get out more.

Posted by: banana Dream at November 10, 2022 05:07 PM (Nd9N3)

852 What did we learn in Wisconsin? Wouldn't it be better to analyze current results than to piss on each other over 2024?

Posted by: Grammie Winger at November 10, 2022 05:07 PM (45fpk)

853 822. They're bringing money to their families. Freshly laundered tax dollars

Posted by: CN doesn't miss Xiden at November 10, 2022 05:08 PM (Zzbjj)

854 The idea that they want a war to make money doesn't really fly with me.

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The money does seem to be in the "on the verge of war" side.

Posted by: SH (No more Roe) at November 10, 2022 05:08 PM (sX1BW)

855 Link goes to MSNBC
On the eighth day, his campaign tells us, God sent Ron DeSantis to save America
https://tinyurl.com/246fdc34
Posted by: whig at November 10, 2022 05:04 PM (CXr4y)
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Thanks, OK that was funny and eye-rolling.

Posted by: Colonel Travis at November 10, 2022 05:08 PM (RG7Wy)

856 Whoever signed off on that message really had DeathSanta's best interest in mind and should be promoted.
Posted by: Comrade flounder
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Yeah, that is why ace's comment about it made me dig it up yesterday.

Trump is making a funny but pointed comment on the ad.

Posted by: whig at November 10, 2022 05:08 PM (CXr4y)

857 >>>Although if Paul Ryan wants the Uniparty to win, knowing that Biden is now all in for 2024, the best thing he could have done was to tell Trump not to run, b/c he can't stop himself from the put down...
Posted by: Nova local

I did notice a lot of Bushies were suggesting what they can do to actually get a red wave. Because if you want sage advice, go to Karl Rove... or something.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 10, 2022 05:08 PM (d2bW3)

858 Posted by: Yay! at November 10, 2022 05:06 PM (qu6IK)

You sound vaccinated.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Disinformation Demon at November 10, 2022 05:08 PM (yHsuS)

859 852 What did we learn in Wisconsin? Wouldn't it be better to analyze current results than to piss on each other over 2024?
Posted by: Grammie Winger at November 10, 2022 05:07 PM (45fpk)

Yes.. Unless we clean up Our act and pick up Our ground game it won't matter who we nominate... And get rid of Mitts Niece

Posted by: It's me donna at November 10, 2022 05:08 PM (bs+z0)

860 Our new one-named nevertrump troll seems very fixated on race.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 10, 2022 05:08 PM (Ivdso)

861 Look as far as Trump is concerned. His personality aside, I though and still think he was, by and large, a GREAT President who got more done and got more done for "Our Side" than anyone else in my lifetime. The question is can he get elected again, and THAT is the only thing that matters now. The last 2 Elections have shown he has some huge negatives that might prevent us from regaining the WH. Can he overcome them? I have my doubts, so the next question is can any real conservative, Like DeSantis, go better or will they also be labeled crazy right wing MAGAs and have it stick and do no better or worse than Trump. That is really the issue here. At this point I would rather go down with a fighting Trump than back a RINO like any bushie or YADA YADA YADA name your RINO. But if I good conservative like DeSantis or Pompeo or pick your good conservative can overcome that and WIN.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 10, 2022 05:08 PM (Irn0L)

862 I'm not the one making the allegations or claims. The only thing I've seen is speculative bullshit, so anyone making the claims needs to put up or shut up.

Posted by: McLurkerson at November 10, 2022 05:02 PM (wNDOJ)

Or you could just go fuck off. Its the comments section and if you don't like it, move on.

Posted by: Mad Max in VA at November 10, 2022 05:09 PM (Gu48G)

863 856 Whoever signed off on that message really had DeathSanta's best interest in mind and should be promoted.
Posted by: Comrade flounder
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Yeah, that is why ace's comment about it made me dig it up yesterday.

Trump is making a funny but pointed comment on the ad.
Posted by: whig at November 10, 2022 05:08 PM (CXr4y)

As I've said before, if they really get into a competitive fight Trump will be hosing him down with insults, it won't just be an offhand remark.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 10, 2022 05:09 PM (eYoxG)

864 nood

email

Posted by: banana Dream at November 10, 2022 05:09 PM (Nd9N3)

865 Perhaps if the person in charge of the election wasn't also a contestant in an election that has still not been called 2 days later would have tampered down some of this speculation.
Posted by: SH (No more Roe) at November 10, 2022 05:04 PM (sX1BW)

Lake has specifically said one of the issues was outgoing Gov Douchey violating state law by having these larger voting centers, where cheating is easier than the precinct method.

She says this is a day 1 fix she's going to do. All this nonsense has to do with Abortion Barbie not having printed ballots and workable machines and poll workers on site to count all the same day ballots. Which ARE all going to heavily break for Lake and Masters... when they get around to counting them.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 10, 2022 05:09 PM (YV6PJ)

866 Man they are overselling this crap like maniacs. The Deep State must REALLY like Ukraine.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

I'm beginning to think these World Economic Forum things are cray-cray.
* SNOOOOORRRRRTTTTTT*

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 10, 2022 05:09 PM (IyrhE)

867 660 Egypt?
Posted by: Puddleglum at work at November 10, 2022 04:41 PM (bA3Ln)
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They tend to choose hot, southern areas for their winter meetings because they kept getting blizzards during their global warming conferences when they held them in Europe or North America.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 10, 2022 04:43 PM (DU+/6)

If AlGore shows up, it might snow there yet!

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at November 10, 2022 05:09 PM (906pl)

868 >>>Boehner told CBS during a joint interview with new Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell (R., Ky.). "They raise money, put it in their pocket, and pay themselves big salaries."

Funny, I remember McConnell taking money away from a lot of candidates. Wonder where he put that money?

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 10, 2022 05:09 PM (d2bW3)

869 Watching a CBS news package on Ron DeSantis. The really turned up the green facial tint. He looks like an ill hulk.

Posted by: rd at November 10, 2022 05:10 PM (Z32m1)

870 Wouldn't it be better to analyze current results than to piss on each other over 2024?

Unfortunately angry yelling and throwing things is easier than thinking through and analyzing

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 10, 2022 05:10 PM (Ivdso)

871 >>> Was listening to Levin - yeah, I know - while walking today and he thinks there may be a red wave in 2024, but the pollsters were two years off.

Strange how demographics are never mentioned, openly considered, nor cared about by the Levin types. Weird.
Maybe he just doesn't have children.

Posted by: Yay! at November 10, 2022 05:10 PM (qu6IK)

872 If certain states don't clean their elections up, this is what we get. Full stop.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at November 10, 2022 05:11 PM (3Lw3j)

873 Or you could just go fuck off. Its the comments section and if you don't like it, move on.

Posted by: Mad Max in VA at November 10, 2022 05:09 PM (Gu48G)

Right, so asking for a link or a cite in a comments section that people always drop links and cites in warrants your baby fit.

Go with that.

Posted by: McLurkerson at November 10, 2022 05:12 PM (wNDOJ)

874 >>> As pointed out above, we need a new term for people who have been looking for and seizing on any reason to ditch Trump since 2017, after reluctantly voting for him.
~~~~~

I like Nouveau NeverTrumpers.

Posted by: IrishEi at November 10, 2022 05:12 PM (3ImbR)

875 803 Believe me, if the Democrats were going to win the district, they would be called already.
Posted by: Dave in Fla
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Heh, Fox would have called it the day before the election if the Dems would win. Then the other usual suspects would chime in.

Posted by: whig at November 10, 2022 05:12 PM (CXr4y)

876 Link goes to MSNBC
On the eighth day, his campaign tells us, God sent Ron DeSantis to save America
https://tinyurl.com/246fdc34

Posted by: whig

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That narrator sounds just like Paul Harvey!

Posted by: Prime Sister at November 10, 2022 05:12 PM (tQL7r)

877 If certain states don't clean their elections up, this is what we get

And if certain states don't specifically and vigorously work to stop fraud in their big cities, this is what we get.

Or you can just believe that it was just bad luck and things just didn't work out, again.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 10, 2022 05:12 PM (Ivdso)

878 874 >>> As pointed out above, we need a new term for people who have been looking for and seizing on any reason to ditch Trump since 2017, after reluctantly voting for him.
~~~~~

I like Nouveau NeverTrumpers.
Posted by: IrishEi
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New Thingers.

Posted by: whig at November 10, 2022 05:12 PM (CXr4y)

879 The only question is why, Ace, do you think DeSantis can win MI, MN, WI, PA, NV, AZ and GA? We all know Trump and DeSantis will win FL, OH and TX and all the other reliably red states. Neither will come close in CA or NY and the other blues.

I’m not being snarky, but I’d like to see the answer about why DeSantis can take the swing states as opposed to Trump? Trump may be a drag on the party but if Tudor Dixon can’t beat that a hole Whitmer (Trump didn’t have a big presence in MI) after all the damage she did what makes you think DeSantis is going to roll into the upper Midwest and flip all those states?

Posted by: Lex at November 10, 2022 05:13 PM (3R0MN)

880 As I've said before, if they really get into a competitive fight Trump will be hosing him down with insults, it won't just be an offhand remark.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead!

Won't matter, Trump will be 78 going against a youthful (45?) handsome Ron. It will come off as post wall women insults towards men.

Posted by: Yay! at November 10, 2022 05:13 PM (qu6IK)

881 GOPe would rather lose to the Dems than have Trump as the nominee.

Posted by: davidt at November 10, 2022 05:13 PM (oTZbj)

882 That narrator sounds just like Paul Harvey!

Posted by: Prime Sister
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See DeSantis raised Paul from the dead. It's a miracle I tell you.

Posted by: whig at November 10, 2022 05:13 PM (CXr4y)

883 Believe me, if the Democrats were going to win the district, they would be called already.

That is worth considering. It cannot be particularly good for Democrats in AZ right now if they haven't started the victory dance and announced the race being called already.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 10, 2022 05:14 PM (Ivdso)

884 >>> New Thingers.
~~~~~~

I like that too!

Posted by: IrishEi at November 10, 2022 05:14 PM (3ImbR)

885 GOPe would rather lose to the Dems than have Trump as the nominee.
Posted by: davidt at November 10, 2022 05:13 PM (oTZbj)
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True. Just as they would rather lose the House and Senate than fill it with MAGAs.

Posted by: IrishEi at November 10, 2022 05:15 PM (3ImbR)

886 Right, so asking for a link or a cite in a comments section that people always drop links and cites in warrants your baby fit.

Go with that.
Posted by: McLurkerson
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You wouldn't happen to have a former nic here that was banned very recently would you?

Posted by: whig at November 10, 2022 05:15 PM (CXr4y)

887 "Believe me, if the Democrats were going to win the district, they would be called already."

That's not the way it worked in the "swing states" in 2020.

I'm shocked that Dave in FL would say such a thing.

The Republican advantage in the undecided races is pretty thin for all but one or two - well within the ability to manufacture ballots for a steal.

What does anybody THINK is the reason why the counting has stopped at 90% of the ballots?

Posted by: Optimizer at November 10, 2022 05:16 PM (hOOi9)

888 "Cite" or "citation needed" is the Lefty version of "You LIE!"

At least it seems that way on Twitter/Facebook/Youtube comments.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at November 10, 2022 05:16 PM (F5ekr)

889 "Lake isn't going to lose."

Every vote drop she falls further and further behind...

Posted by: Jay in PA at November 10, 2022 05:16 PM (i7Q7S)

890
All I can tell people is that the people in Philadelphia voted 75% for Festterman. But wait a second, because that doesn't really prove much or put it in perspective.

Try this... out of ONE MILLION voters ONLY 250,000 would have voted for Oz. So Festterman has 750,000 votes the rest of the state has to somehow negate*.

The Free Shit Army has destroyed Pennsylvania. Perhaps the entire country in the process.

* Take my numbers and multiply by .4 or something. Illustration purposes only. Not valid in all states who voted against marijuana legalization. Redemption value .01 per coupon.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at November 10, 2022 05:17 PM (y3pKJ)

891 NOOD

Posted by: IrishEi at November 10, 2022 05:17 PM (3ImbR)

892 >>> As pointed out above, we need a new term for people who have been looking for and seizing on any reason to ditch Trump since 2017, after reluctantly voting for him.
~~~~~

I like Nouveau NeverTrumpers.
Posted by: IrishEi
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New Thingers.
Posted by: whig at November 10, 2022 05:12 PM (CXr4y)
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Those are good. #NeverAgainers

Posted by: ShainS -- The Humiliation is Part of the Kink at November 10, 2022 05:18 PM (XX92M)

893 Funny, I remember McConnell taking money away from a lot of candidates. Wonder where he put that money?
Posted by: Wyatt Earp

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Good question, Wyatt. Very good question. Where did that $$$ go?

Posted by: Prime Sister at November 10, 2022 05:19 PM (tQL7r)

894 I’m not being snarky, but I’d like to see the answer about why DeSantis can take the swing states as opposed to Trump? Trump may be a drag on the party but if Tudor Dixon can’t beat that a hole Whitmer (Trump didn’t have a big presence in MI) after all the damage she did what makes you think DeSantis is going to roll into the upper Midwest and flip all those states?
==
yeah. See my nick. I understand negative feelings. I have them. I want data. Let em primary. There's no reason anyone needs to take a position now. Unless there is a reason. $

Posted by: tell me why you like somebody better, not why you hate somebody at November 10, 2022 05:20 PM (JuNEE)

895 843 Link goes to MSNBC
On the eighth day, his campaign tells us, God sent Ron DeSantis to save America
https://tinyurl.com/246fdc34

Do people really not recognize that as a take-off on Paul Harvey's "So God Made a Farmer" soliloquy? I mean, of course MSNBC doesn't but Trump and the Morons certainly should.

Posted by: Oddbob at November 10, 2022 05:21 PM (nfrXX)

896 "Someone help me out, we got the Republicans all tugging their twigs and planning out leadership, but its becoming more glaringly obvious that they aren't going to take the House.

Basing your victory on California giving us some more seats? Surely they jest."

I'm not as fatalistic, but have pointed out the same - we need to keep an eye on these still-contested races, because they're obviously trying to steal them.

This seems like a GOPe move to get us to take our eyes off the ball, by claiming victory when we haven't QUITE won yet.

Last I saw 4 of the races that aren't called yet are D vs D. The Dems have an automatic pickup of 4 more. (Republicans, conversely, have only one automatic pickup with AK-01).

Posted by: Optimizer at November 10, 2022 05:24 PM (hOOi9)

897 @785 CT
I enjoy razzing lefties about how they are now the party of bush,Cheney, neocons, foreign wars, domestic spying, and etc.

Welcome to us in 2003. Expensive lessons. Much like many people and slavery, their objection was not to the thing itself, it was just that they wanted to be on the other side.

Posted by: Shiggz (defective slave) at November 10, 2022 05:26 PM (0SrVS)

898 https://tinyurl.com/246fdc34
Posted by: whig at November 10, 2022 05:04 PM (CXr4y)

*sits, stares, turns to the scoreboard, marks a point on the L column*

WUT....Da....FUQ WAS THAT?!?!

Posted by: tryhardneckbeard at November 10, 2022 05:27 PM (OLVeZ)

899 889 "Lake isn't going to lose."

Every vote drop she falls further and further behind...
Posted by: Jay in PA at November 10, 2022 05:16 PM (i7Q7S)

Does that mean she has lost? No. They're slow-rolling the tally, same as the R primary. It's mischievous, the way things are handled out there. Florida and Canada can competently hold elections. Why can't Arizona?

Posted by: James Smith at November 10, 2022 05:30 PM (hvfJj)

900 "I’m not being snarky, but I’d like to see the answer about why DeSantis can take the swing states as opposed to Trump?"

Ok

DeSantis won majorities from women, as well as men, from all age groups, from all income groups.

To be clear: DJT will not win Wisconsin, PA, or Michigan in 2024.

That's why.

Posted by: Jay in PA at November 10, 2022 05:33 PM (i7Q7S)

901 As the big winner on Tuesday, This would be a prime chance for desantis to weigh in and endorse someone for house and Senate leader replacements.

Sir pick your generals. We have your back.

Posted by: Shiggz (defective slave) at November 10, 2022 05:39 PM (0SrVS)

902 While all this Red on Red action can be amusing, it's just a WWE match on the aft deck of the Titanic if something is not done about the actual problem.
Without addressing the mail in vote fraud issue the winner of a pissing match is immaterial next to the guy who owns the Gatorade stand....um..er or something like that.
R's need to be Sean Connery in this game, not Kevin Costner. If it takes rolling dirty then so be it.
Anything short of that equals Portland at best, Venezuela at worst.

Posted by: Mildly retarded lurker at November 10, 2022 05:39 PM (+nxIh)

903 The Republican civil war to have right now isn’t Trump vs. DeSantis, it’s us vs. McConnell, McCarthy, and McDaniel.

Posted by: SquidbillyCPO at November 10, 2022 05:45 PM (JdnFk)

904 People aren't claiming DeSantis has always been some kind of establishment shill.

But when you are courting the likes of Jeb Bush and Paul Ryan, well, sorry, but if the shoe fits, fucking wear it.

Trying to curry favor with those RINO scumbags is not winning you one single, solitary vote from a massive MAGA voting base. This Conservative Inc inspired conflict between DeSantis and Trump needs to be put to sleep in short order or it seriously threatens the likelihood of turning off the entire MAGA voting block. And not because of DeSantis, but because people rightly question how you end up aligned with the GOPe RINOs without being one yourself.

Posted by: deadrody at November 10, 2022 05:51 PM (kYmXc)

905 Also, FYI, you'd think people would remember, Amnesty Rubio was a Tea Party darling at one time too.

Where you start IS NOT where you finish.

Posted by: deadrody at November 10, 2022 05:56 PM (kYmXc)

906 DeSantis won majorities from women, as well as men, from all age groups, from all income groups.

To be clear: DJT will not win Wisconsin, PA, or Michigan in 2024.

That's why.

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DeSantis will
Never win those states, Trump did win Wisconsin but it was stolen, he did win Pa but it was stolen, he probably won MI but it was stolen

And they stole again this election amd nothing will change as they allow the mail in covid ballots
NOTHING!!!!!!!

Posted by: Gonzotx at November 10, 2022 05:56 PM (t4poC)

907 To be clear: DJT will not win Wisconsin, PA, or Michigan in 2024.

That's why.
Posted by: Jay in PA at November 10, 2022 05:33 PM (i7Q7S)
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Good fucking Christ. Unless those states enact STRICT voting integrity laws between now and then, here's a tip: NEITHER WILL DESANTIS. Ohio is very similar to all three of those states - EXCEPT ? - they don't put up with election shenanigans. That's why there is no crazy recount ongoing to figure out if JD Vance, who was thought to be no better a candidate than Oz, won in Ohio. FFS

Posted by: deadrody at November 10, 2022 05:59 PM (kYmXc)

908 DeSantis won majorities from women, as well as men, from all age groups, from all income groups.

To be clear: DJT will not win Wisconsin, PA, or Michigan in 2024.

That's why.
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And YOU think it’s OK to compare yourself as the second coming?
Boy have you lost your shit !

Posted by: Gonzotx at November 10, 2022 05:59 PM (t4poC)

909 >>And if they want Trump to go, they should lead first by example. McCarthy and McConnell should show Trump what "taking responsibility" looks like and resign their positions as leaders of their respective caucuses.

HA! HA! HA! HA!

YOU'RE KILLIN' ME!!!!

Posted by: Hell will freeze over first at November 10, 2022 06:01 PM (MIODZ)

910 DeSantis won majorities of all those demos in Florida.

Can he do that in the upper midwest? I'm not so sure. I don't know if Trump can either.

I'm not sure anyone in the GOP can. The Rs are moving out of there. The mail in garbage tilts only one way. And the Ds are solidly team players who will not beat up on their own no matter what (see Fetterman).

So should we take a chance with DeSantis in 2024 or let Trump have one more crack? I say let Trump have the try. He did win some of those States before so he has proven he can win outside of Florida.

Posted by: Lex at November 10, 2022 06:14 PM (KhUbk)

911 The heyday for the defense industry was the Cold War, where not a shot was fired. The idea that they want a war to make money doesn't really fly with me. If anything, a war might expose any flaws in what they sold the government.

Posted by: Optimizer at November 10, 2022 05:06 PM (hOOi9)

Good lord, are you retarded ? Actual bullets and bombs have to be REPLACED in a war, Einstein. The defense industry heyday was the last 20 years fighting a never-ending war on "terror" all over the globe, bombing and blowing shit up and running gear into the ground that has to be replaced. Fuck sakes man

Posted by: deadrody at November 10, 2022 06:15 PM (kYmXc)

912 And I see that a few of you have actually taken Red State and Conservative Inc's bait over the "Ron DeSanctimonious" dig.

Ron DeSantis made an ad claiming "on the 8th day, God created Ron DeSantis"

Trump's joke was well deserved. You absolutely owe it to the man who's gone through the shit he's gone through - FOR YOU - for going on 7 years now to know what the fuck you're talking about before you open your yaps.

Posted by: deadrody at November 10, 2022 06:18 PM (kYmXc)

913 So, is the new normal here going to be commenters, including some relatively new ones, attacking and name calling over disagreements about Trump? CHILL OUT.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at November 10, 2022 06:22 PM (F5ekr)

914 Those who are always blaming Trump for something seem to forget that DeSantis shut down Florida for 6 months and opened only after some other states did. DeSantis fundraised (two fundraisers) with RINOs like Mitt Romney IN UTAH in a hush-hush butt-buddy high-dollar way with GOPe mega donors.

How soon we forget that Trump bankrolled his first primary with the help of many small donors like me on up until the nomination.

Posted by: cjhmhch at November 10, 2022 06:33 PM (PoYG7)

915 Ron voted for TPP. Look who’s lining up behind Ron, the freaking swamp. Hell no!

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Posted by: Dana Fowler at November 11, 2022 01:23 AM (+5G0G)

917 "But claiming that DeSantis is a Johnny-Come-Lately establishment liberal is just a flat-out lie."

Who is saying that?

Posted by: Fen6" at November 11, 2022 02:19 AM (naHzv)

918 Oh I see

"I point this out because people keep trying to claim that he's really "Establishment," like he's taking on the Establishment and shipping illegal aliens to Martha's Vineyard as part of some Long Con"

I think people are claiming DeSantis is has hired Deep State Groomers onto his campaign staff to teach him to be a Chamber of Commerce Whisperer. This came as a warning from Conservative Treehouse, a site with a rep 2nd only to yours?

Posted by: Fen6 at November 11, 2022 02:26 AM (naHzv)

919 "And I'm not going to play a Trump vs DeSantis game"

Good call. But I hope you remember that Team Trump has been the one trying to get you to play.

Posted by: Fen6 at November 11, 2022 02:36 AM (naHzv)

920 213 "let's remember one thing: Trump started this all on his own."

Bull. Shit.

Team DeSantis has been lunging at Trump supporters, trying to get us to throw a punch, for the last 9 months on every right-wing site I've been on.

Can't even discuss bird watching without them wanting to talk to us about our vehicle's extended warranty Trump's (insert flaw) and how DeSantis is just as dreamy as Chris Christie or Scott Walker were before they flamed out too.

I'm certain of this because I have
developed about a dozen talking points that were shaped from repeated attempts to get them to stop attacking Trump

I'm also certain of this because I started out loving DeSantis but am now sick of him solely due to the actions of his supporters

You want to fight, that's fine. But don't act like you weren't praying for Trump to give you an excuse to do what you know is wrong.

If we abandon Trump we are doomed, even if DeSantis wins. Because we will have sent a message to every future Ronald Reagan that we can't be trusted to stand by him if he sticks his neck out for us.

You want more Romney? This is how you get more Romney. Betrayal after betrayal after betrayal

Posted by: Fen6 at November 11, 2022 03:23 AM (naHzv)

921 I'm deeply disappointed Ace. Now the GOPe seems to have gotten to even YOU with their spin.

President Trump is the only one fighting for us. The Republicans are their own "drag" on their party as the base hates them. And yet cheating is STILL the main issue in most of these races, despite all the media spin. Voting harder will never beat rigging.

There's also another big factor people aren't considering. How many Republican voters sat home because they are still despondent about 2020? Bet it was a lot.

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