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Politico: Ron DeSantis Opposes Joe Biden's Agenda, But Then He Asks For Money Out of "Joe Biden's Wallet"
From Twitchy, a real winner from the Real Journalists at Poltico. This is specifically from Matt Dixon's mouth.
TALLAHASSEE, Fla. -- Gov. Ron DeSantis has been a persistent critic of President Joe Biden on nearly every policy front as he moves toward a likely potential 2024 presidential bid. But the Florida Republican likes one thing about the president: his wallet. ... Florida is now poised to benefit from billions of dollars in additional federal assistance to grapple with the devastating damage left by Hurricane Ian, which could bring a staggering $40 billion of insured losses.
Mary Katharine HamApparently Biden's dementia is going viral among his most devoted zombie cultists.
@mkhammer "The president's wallet?"
Zaid JilaniIt's not a story, it's a bylined political attack ad.
@ZaidJilani Should Gavin Newsom have turned down all federal budget money when Trump was president? This is a weird story.
Tom Elliott
@tomselliott
Wow did you guys know Biden's wallet has more than $10 trillion in it? Incredible reporting here from Politico.
Christina Pushaw
@ChristinaPushaw
What is wrong with you? It's not "the president's wallet". It is American taxpayers' money.
Americans in any state hit by a disaster are entitled to federal disaster relief funds, whether or not you approve of the governor.
The media disgusts me more every day.
Christina PushawIt is. But we're the "fascists."
@ChristinaPushaw
Why is my money in the president's wallet to begin with? This is 3rd world dictatorship stuff.
DeSantis War RoomWe'll keep this in mind when we control the government. Enough of this "president of all of America" bullshit. It's a lie and we must no longer live with lies. It's time for the truth, no matter how ugly or brutal that may be.
@DeSantisWarRoom "Biden has been a critic of DeSantis on nearly every policy front. But he sure does like collecting federal taxes from Floridians." [pink clown emoji]
@Mdixon55 has outdone himself with this.
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)End FEMA and let individual states use those funds to create their own state-level EMAs?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for the Invisible Man with Dracula and Frankenstein's monster at October 04, 2022 02:34 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: Archimedes at October 04, 2022 02:34 PM (ayzS/)
Posted by: BunkerintheBurbs at October 04, 2022 02:34 PM (y8NK7)
@tomselliott
Wow did you guys know Biden's wallet has more than $10 trillion in it? Incredible reporting here from Politico.
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It's good to be the king.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for the Invisible Man with Dracula and Frankenstein's monster at October 04, 2022 02:34 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: Joe Biden at October 04, 2022 02:35 PM (UuD2k)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 04, 2022 02:35 PM (vH/6k)
lol great plan. will get rid of states like Lousiana pretty quicklike
Posted by: BlackOrchid at October 04, 2022 02:35 PM (w0NJk)
I think some states, including FL, would balk, because they are at greater risk of natural disasters, especially when they allow building on the beach. I won't defend that practice, but as long as a national FEMA exists, FL can make a claim for money.
Posted by: Archimedes at October 04, 2022 02:36 PM (ayzS/)
Posted by: Dr. T at October 04, 2022 02:36 PM (bhRsz)
Posted by: kallisto at October 04, 2022 02:36 PM (dCxaZ)
ok here's one - the FedGov prints all the money it needs to dole out to itself and its clients. so personal taxes are purely punitive.
Posted by: BlackOrchid at October 04, 2022 02:36 PM (w0NJk)
Posted by: Archimedes at October 04, 2022 02:34 PM (ayzS/)
David French: "The same way that the Staff of Decadence of my wife's 'friends' ended up in all her orifices - Divine Providence."
Posted by: Thrawn at October 04, 2022 02:36 PM (Rl7KJ)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 04, 2022 02:35 PM (vH/6k)
And he started with an 80 IQ and a tendency to lie to promote himself.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at October 04, 2022 02:37 PM (UuD2k)
Posted by: 18-1 at October 04, 2022 02:37 PM (ESjRY)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Christian Nationalist, Defiant! at October 04, 2022 02:37 PM (t3/qz)
Posted by: BlackOrchid at October 04, 2022 02:35 PM (w0NJk)
Damn. At least I live in the most northern part of Louisiana.
Posted by: Thrawn at October 04, 2022 02:37 PM (Rl7KJ)
Posted by: Xipe Totec at October 04, 2022 02:37 PM (QSjkU)
Posted by: Wally at October 04, 2022 02:37 PM (vMWVi)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 04, 2022 02:37 PM (1Nxff)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Christian Nationalist, Defiant! at October 04, 2022 02:38 PM (t3/qz)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 04, 2022 02:35 PM (vH/6k)
One of my NPC co-workers said she loved teh Bidet and would vote for him again, and I just blurted out:
WHAT? He's a pudding-brained clown, what's wrong with you??
and she snitched to my boss about my wrongthink
Posted by: kallisto at October 04, 2022 02:38 PM (dCxaZ)
Drill bits are only meant to be used in one direction.
Posted by: spindrift at October 04, 2022 02:38 PM (h5TKJ)
Posted by: BlackOrchid at October 04, 2022 02:38 PM (w0NJk)
Posted by: Romeo13 at October 04, 2022 02:38 PM (oHd/0)
I knew this was true within 30 days of Baron von Lightbringer's presidency
Posted by: Elric Blade at October 04, 2022 02:38 PM (iFTx/)
"Here. I'll just grab what I need."
Posted by: Wally at October 04, 2022 02:38 PM (vMWVi)
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 04, 2022 02:39 PM (Zz0t1)
Mel's Brooks's King character wanted to make out with hot willing French women
Bruce Campbell's character wanted to make out with the hottest, and willingest, woman in Smart.
Joe Biden wants to make out with his granddaughter
Posted by: 18-1 at October 04, 2022 02:39 PM (ESjRY)
yeah, just prior to the election, I had a gut feeling that 55MM was teh Bidet ceiling.
Posted by: kallisto at October 04, 2022 02:39 PM (dCxaZ)
It would be a shame if the spice stopped flowing to DC. Yessir, a damn shame. Especially if a whole bunch of states got together on it.
Posted by: Rusty Nail at October 04, 2022 02:39 PM (3AR13)
Do not attempt to stop a chainsaw chain using your hands or genitals.
Posted by: Dr. T at October 04, 2022 02:39 PM (bhRsz)
There is no your Money, you evil racist sexist homophobic Republicans.
Posted by: Democrats at October 04, 2022 02:39 PM (Z32m1)
Posted by: Paul Krugman, boy genius at October 04, 2022 02:40 PM (ESjRY)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 04, 2022 02:40 PM (1Nxff)
You cant handle the truth.
I think that is from A Few Good Men.
But a relevant quote.
Posted by: Czech Chick at October 04, 2022 02:40 PM (haWye)
Come on, this is just "vote harder!" with extra steps
Posted by: somedood at October 04, 2022 02:40 PM (7rP4D)
Posted by: kallisto at October 04, 2022 02:38 PM (dCxaZ)
Sorry about the rat face-cage.
Posted by: Comrade flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur at October 04, 2022 02:40 PM (yHsuS)
You are shit. You exude shit. You smell like shit. You're made of shit.
You, sir, are a piece of shit.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 04, 2022 02:40 PM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: portlandon at October 04, 2022 02:40 PM (+oR7L)
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 04, 2022 02:41 PM (qrbVb)
The money just 'is' and the libs can dip into it for their friends.
Mostly because the SC has held that taxpayers have no standing.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at October 04, 2022 02:41 PM (sOWoL)
The 2020 election was stolen.
Posted by: Comrade flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur at October 04, 2022 02:41 PM (yHsuS)
Posted by: kallisto at October 04, 2022 02:38 PM (dCxaZ)
And what-if anything did your boss do?
When Biden was elected, I told my sister-who has been out of the country since 1972-that Joe Biden had dementia and her response was "Well, as long as he has good people around him." Uggh.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 04, 2022 02:41 PM (vH/6k)
Posted by: Gref at October 04, 2022 02:41 PM (AMIL/)
Leftists howled about that.
Now they're upset Governor DeSantis asked at all?
https://bit.ly/3rrCXRY
Posted by: bonhomme at October 04, 2022 02:41 PM (eyxn4)
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 04, 2022 02:41 PM (Zz0t1)
One of my NPC co-workers said she loved teh Bidet and would vote for him again, and I just blurted out:
I think I would have gone with something a little more subtle.
"Yeah I hated being able to afford a cart full of groceries before Glorious Leader came to power"
Posted by: 18-1 at October 04, 2022 02:41 PM (ESjRY)
Posted by: Archimedes at October 04, 2022 02:41 PM (ayzS/)
You, sir, are a piece of shit.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 04, 2022 02:40 PM (Zz0t1)
Pile of shite, in a silk stocking...
Posted by: Col. Richard Sharpe at October 04, 2022 02:42 PM (oHd/0)
A boy has a penis. A girl has a vagina.
Posted by: Comrade flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur at October 04, 2022 02:42 PM (yHsuS)
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 04, 2022 02:42 PM (qrbVb)
Joe (or the cabal ) is completely sold out to China and probably Ukraine.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 04, 2022 02:42 PM (vH/6k)
I think some states, including FL, would balk, because they are at greater risk of natural disasters, especially when they allow building on the beach. I won't defend that practice, but as long as a national FEMA exists, FL can make a claim for money.
Posted by: Archimedes at October 04, 2022 02:36 PM (ayzS/)
__________________________
The system only works when all states contribute for the benefit of a few states. Take federal flood insurance. It's a total scam. It's mandatory if you are in a flood zone. But "flood zone" doesn't mean what you think it means. There are flood zones all over the country in areas with no risk of real flooding. But if you own property there, you must pay for (expensive) flood insurance that you will never use. You are subsidizing areas like FL that are constantly flooded.
Posted by: Elric Blade at October 04, 2022 02:43 PM (iFTx/)
"Yeah I hated being able to afford a cart full of groceries before Glorious Leader came to power"
Posted by: 18-1 at October 04, 2022 02:41 PM (ESjRY)
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"I love how corporations have sky high profits because they're so unafraid of Biden, driving inflation to levels that hurt the lower classes most. I hate those poor people."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for the Invisible Man with Dracula and Frankenstein's monster at October 04, 2022 02:43 PM (LvTSG)
Mostly because the SC has held that taxpayers have no standing.
We'll know we have a "conservative supreme court" when they declare any particular implementation of the personal income tax unconstitutional.
Posted by: 18-1 at October 04, 2022 02:43 PM (ESjRY)
The 2020 election was stolen.
Posted by: Comrade flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur at October 04, 2022 02:41 PM (yHsuS)
Binary choice, either the election was stolen or...
Democracy has failed as a viable Model for choosing our leaders.
Posted by: Col. Richard Sharpe at October 04, 2022 02:43 PM (oHd/0)
Posted by: Eromero at October 04, 2022 02:43 PM (0OP+5)
Posted by: Mentholated Smooth-Drawing gp at October 04, 2022 02:44 PM (24fqN)
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at October 04, 2022 02:44 PM (kIrFD)
You are shit. You exude shit. You smell like shit. You're made of shit.
__________
Hit the bricks, pal, and beat it 'cause you are going OUT!
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 04, 2022 02:44 PM (1Nxff)
Lately my filter is on "mute". I can't pretend anymore.
Posted by: kallisto at October 04, 2022 02:44 PM (dCxaZ)
No, it means exactly what I thought it means. It's me subsidizing people who want a beach house, but don't want to cover the real risk of building there.
Posted by: Archimedes at October 04, 2022 02:44 PM (ayzS/)
Posted by: Gridlock at October 04, 2022 02:44 PM (nGsrQ)
Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at October 04, 2022 02:44 PM (5pTK/)
Size matters, and you're woefully lacking.
Posted by: kathysaysso at October 04, 2022 02:45 PM (m78jL)
Maybe Polbitemydickio can report on that.
Or how about that in 2020 for every dollar NY gave to the federal government, they got back $1.59.
Posted by: Marcus T at October 04, 2022 02:45 PM (OTvdu)
Posted by: Boss Paul at October 04, 2022 02:45 PM (j40lz)
Posted by: nurse ratched at October 04, 2022 02:46 PM (/Tiaw)
and even if they get rid of their own penis or vagina they can't change their genders. You either have XY or XX chromosones. That doesn't change if you play dress up. Also, unlike what the Portland Public Schools teach there are NOT an infinite number of genders and the idea of gender was not brought to America by colonists.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 04, 2022 02:46 PM (vH/6k)
Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at October 04, 2022 02:44 PM (5pTK/)
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The kid who breaks windows is a hero.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for the Invisible Man with Dracula and Frankenstein's monster at October 04, 2022 02:46 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: Weak Geek at October 04, 2022 02:46 PM (Om/di)
Posted by: Megthered at October 04, 2022 02:46 PM (f1xtl)
Here's the DOE press release confirming that the Strategic Reserves will be drained up to election day, and then it can be Trump's fault. 9-19-22:
"WASHINGTON, D.C. — The U.S. Department of Energy’s (DOE) Office of Petroleum Reserves today announced a Notice of Sale of up to 10 million barrels of crude oil to be delivered from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve (SPR) in November 2022"
https://tinyurl.com/2qynbbu8
IIRC the sales occur and the deliveries are finalized on November 9th.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at October 04, 2022 02:46 PM (kIrFD)
Secure the borders, maintain a military and assist the states.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 04, 2022 02:46 PM (Zz0t1)
Old and Busted: Those red states are all on welfare!
New Hotness: We deserve...everything...from you proles.
Posted by: 18-1 at October 04, 2022 02:46 PM (ESjRY)
I would like to see Brandon go meet with DeSantis, then come out with a black eye, whining about how Ron actually *took his wallet.*
I bet DeSantis would win a Presidential run by 25 points after that.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 04, 2022 02:47 PM (oINRc)
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The kid who breaks windows is a hero.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for the Invisible Man with Dracula and Frankenstein's monster at October 04, 2022 02:46 PM (LvTSG)
See? I told you.
- - Paul Krugman
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 04, 2022 02:47 PM (Zz0t1)
No, it means exactly what I thought it means. It's me subsidizing people who want a beach house, but don't want to cover the real risk of building there.
Posted by: Archimedes at October 04, 2022 02:44 PM (ayzS/)
____________________
Exactly. But it's not just the beach house people. Contractors and builders make a fortune building and then rebuilding the same houses over and over. That's why we are building so much expensive shit right in the middle of known hurricane paths. It's very profitable to do so.
Posted by: Elric Blade at October 04, 2022 02:47 PM (iFTx/)
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at October 04, 2022 02:47 PM (kIrFD)
A billion dollars is just like finding coins in the couch.
Posted by: That NLurker guy at October 04, 2022 02:47 PM (eGTCV)
That is how I am reading it.
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 04, 2022 02:47 PM (qrbVb)
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 04, 2022 02:47 PM (Zz0t1)
Old and Busted: If you elected Donald Trump as president you'll get a nuclear war.
New Hotness: A limited nuclear war would be a good thing
Posted by: The FNM at October 04, 2022 02:47 PM (ESjRY)
Despite her public misandry, Lena Dunham still needs a parade of cocks passing through to fill the void(s) in her life.
Posted by: Rusty Nail at October 04, 2022 02:48 PM (3AR13)
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at October 04, 2022 02:48 PM (ufFY8)
Posted by: Welcome to Wokistan MFers at October 04, 2022 02:48 PM (r2ldJ)
Posted by: kraken at October 04, 2022 02:48 PM (Vr12I)
Maybe Polbitemydickio can report on that.
Or how about that in 2020 for every dollar NY gave to the federal government, they got back $1.59.
Posted by: Marcus T at October 04, 2022 02:45 PM (OTvdu)
Micron Technology is going to spend $100 billion over the next 20 years to build a chip factory in upstate NY. Should create 50,000 jobs. The CEO made the announcement today - credited Biden, Schumer and the CHIPs Act by name.
MU may have just breathed new life into the Hochul campaign. The timing of the announcement wasn't coincidental.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at October 04, 2022 02:48 PM (9miN6)
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at October 04, 2022 02:48 PM (ppBhU)
Asking for a friend. Wait, not a friend!! No need to bust down my door, Fibbies!
Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 04, 2022 02:48 PM (BTIKu)
Only then will norms be restored. Faces can grow back after all.
Posted by: East Bay Jay at October 04, 2022 02:48 PM (DePyg)
"Bros" is the best that Hollywood can do these days.
And...
The McRib is also an over-rated pile o' crap.
Posted by: naturalfake at October 04, 2022 02:49 PM (KLPy8)
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at October 04, 2022 02:49 PM (iLmHM)
Posted by: kraken at October 04, 2022 02:49 PM (Vr12I)
The future we are getting: A high heeled boot worn by a 250lb man in the face, forever
Posted by: 18-1 at October 04, 2022 02:49 PM (ESjRY)
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at October 04, 2022 02:48 PM (ppBhU)
Crapital One - It's what's in Joe's wallet.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at October 04, 2022 02:49 PM (9miN6)
Thanks you papa Joe. You are so benevolent.
Posted by: portlandon at October 04, 2022 02:49 PM (+oR7L)
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at October 04, 2022 02:49 PM (iLmHM)
Hey, he's not *my* president, dammit!
Posted by: Napoleon XIV at October 04, 2022 02:49 PM (AiZBA)
The McRib is also an over-rated pile o' crap.
Posted by: naturalfake at October 04, 2022 02:49 PM (KLPy
I love that Wendy's is making fun of that.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 04, 2022 02:50 PM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 04, 2022 02:50 PM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: SMOD at October 04, 2022 02:50 PM (RHGPo)
You don't need a condom if she doesn't bleed yet
Posted by: Joe Biden, Pedo Genius at October 04, 2022 02:50 PM (ESjRY)
Posted by: kraken at October 04, 2022 02:50 PM (Vr12I)
Secure the borders, maintain a military and assist the states.
No it isn't. Please cite the part of the Constitution that specifies how many times is it my responsibility to rebuild someone's beach house.
Constitutionally there is no delegation of authority for the federal government to act as emergency funding services for the States. James Madison, father of the Constitution and 4th president declared before congress in 1792:
“I, sir, have always conceived — I believe those who proposed the Constitution conceived — it is still more fully known, and more material to observe, that those who ratified the Constitution conceived — that this is not an indefinite government, deriving its powers from the general terms prefixed to the specified powers — but a limited government, tied down to the specified powers, which explain and define the general terms.”
Posted by: Archimedes at October 04, 2022 02:50 PM (ayzS/)
No, it means exactly what I thought it means. It's me subsidizing people who want a beach house, but don't want to cover the real risk of building there.
Posted by: Archimedes at October 04, 2022 02:44 PM (ayzS/)
____________________
Exactly. But it's not just the beach house people. Contractors and builders make a fortune building and then rebuilding the same houses over and over. That's why we are building so much expensive shit right in the middle of known hurricane paths. It's very profitable to do so.
Posted by: Elric Blade
So where are we supposed to live? If you follow the logic here, earthquake zones and tornado alley and volcanic activity all preclude building a home or a city. Your thinking is stupid.
Posted by: nurse ratched at October 04, 2022 02:50 PM (/Tiaw)
Posted by: Joe Biden, Wake Up at October 04, 2022 02:51 PM (xEe87)
O.K. Joe Biden has dementia.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 04, 2022 02:35 PM (vH/6k)
I'm pretty sure most of us here have had that impression for a while now.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic, Ashli Babbitt/Rosanne Boyland at October 04, 2022 02:51 PM (z99Zw)
Posted by: wth at October 04, 2022 02:51 PM (v0R5T)
Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at October 04, 2022 02:51 PM (3Or4S)
Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 04, 2022 02:51 PM (6FeV1)
“It might look like they are moving on, but the reality is they are being forced out,” the employee told Insider.
.. hard times for billionaires, who knew
Posted by: SMOD at October 04, 2022 02:51 PM (RHGPo)
https://tinyurl.com/5n75f9b7
Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 04, 2022 02:52 PM (BTIKu)
Your high school sweetheart never thinks about you and is getting banged by someone who smells like a liverwurst sandwich.
Posted by: naturalfake at October 04, 2022 02:52 PM (KLPy8)
Posted by: Archimedes at October 04, 2022 02:50 PM (ayzS/)
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One reason progressives hate Calvin Coolidge is because he refused to use federal funds to help with some disaster or other that wiped out a bunch of farmers (I think).
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for the Invisible Man with Dracula and Frankenstein's monster at October 04, 2022 02:52 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: wth at October 04, 2022 02:52 PM (v0R5T)
People upstate have seen this movie before. Cuomo made some of the same promises that were never delivered on. The voters are more focused on crime and the fact they can't afford anything. Not these sleight of hand tricks.
Posted by: Marcus T at October 04, 2022 02:52 PM (OTvdu)
Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at October 04, 2022 02:52 PM (qvpzJ)
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 04, 2022 02:53 PM (qrbVb)
I'm not that old, but I already see massive construction in areas that were considered "too risky" when I was younger.
Its partially because we are wealthier, and partially that we've exploded the population through immigration, but mostly because of the way government hands out money after disasters.
Posted by: 18-1 at October 04, 2022 02:53 PM (ESjRY)
damn straight, ace!
the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.
we are suffering under the converse of the old tag about "the truth will make you free" ... lies are enslaving us.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - we are being gaslighted 24/365 at October 04, 2022 02:53 PM (8oyo2)
Is that constitutional? I honestly do not know, but it sounds like mere charity to me. If it is constitutional, it implicitly insures the additional risks folx voluntarily take on to live in naturally disastrous places.
Posted by: Mentholated Smooth-Drawing gp at October 04, 2022 02:53 PM (24fqN)
Enough of this "president of all of America" bullshit.
81 MILLION votes!
Posted by: kallisto at October 04, 2022 02:36 PM (dCxaZ)
........
This always makes me laugh even though I know I should be crying.
Posted by: wth at October 04, 2022 02:53 PM (v0R5T)
Posted by: Eromero at October 04, 2022 02:53 PM (0OP+5)
Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at October 04, 2022 02:53 PM (3Or4S)
Us stupid people generally defer to the very smart people who run private insurance companies and have calculated the true cost of building a home in any particular location, and charge the home builder accordingly.
Posted by: Archimedes at October 04, 2022 02:54 PM (ayzS/)
Posted by: kallisto at October 04, 2022 02:38 PM (dCxaZ)
Slash her tires.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 04, 2022 02:54 PM (XIJ/X)
Posted by: nurse ratched at October 04, 2022 02:54 PM (/Tiaw)
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at October 04, 2022 02:54 PM (ufFY8)
ok here's one - the FedGov prints all the money it needs to dole out to itself and its clients. so personal taxes are purely punitive.
Posted by: BlackOrchid at October 04, 2022 02:36 PM
Exactly, it's a control mechanism over the right (or wrong) people. Nothing more.
Posted by: Bozo at October 04, 2022 02:54 PM (y3pKJ)
Posted by: BlackOrchid at October 04, 2022 02:35 PM (w0NJk)
Honestly, what it would do generally is instill rationality. Without constant flooding by the Mississippi, New Orleans is destined to sink into the Gulf.
Lots of people will beat their chests and say, "I'll never leave" but why should the rest of the country pay for their stubbornness time and time again?
That having been said, everywhere in the world gets hit by something eventually.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic, Ashli Babbitt/Rosanne Boyland at October 04, 2022 02:55 PM (z99Zw)
Posted by: Elric Blade
So where are we supposed to live? If you follow the logic here, earthquake zones and tornado alley and volcanic activity all preclude building a home or a city. Your thinking is stupid.
Posted by: nurse ratched at October 04, 2022 02:50 PM (/Tiaw)
__________________
Live where you want to live. But don't ask me to help pay for rebuilding your home when your choice proves catastrophic. If you want to live in a known hurricane path, or in a known earthquake zone, then you should bear the risk. Ain't my problem.
Posted by: Elric Blade at October 04, 2022 02:55 PM (iFTx/)
Posted by: nurse ratched at October 04, 2022 02:54 PM (/Tiaw)
Boring places.
Posted by: Comrade flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur at October 04, 2022 02:55 PM (yHsuS)
Posted by: nurse ratched at October 04, 2022 02:54 PM (/Tiaw)
Antarctica??
Posted by: kraken at October 04, 2022 02:55 PM (Vr12I)
Posted by: illiniwek at October 04, 2022 02:56 PM (Cus5s)
In the director's cut, the first date foursome leads to a wicked case of monkeypox for the lead Bros. The rest of the movie is shot with them having face cankers and people gingerly walking bowlegged.
The CGI'd that out, like the cat anii in Cats.
Posted by: motionview, a MAGA Republican (who supports DeSantis) at October 04, 2022 02:56 PM (469KY)
Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at October 04, 2022 02:56 PM (yikp0)
You can't. That's why we have insurance.
Posted by: Archimedes at October 04, 2022 02:56 PM (ayzS/)
.. so who is replacing Mark ?
Posted by: SMOD at October 04, 2022 02:56 PM (RHGPo)
And where on earth can you completely avoid natural disasters?
Posted by: nurse ratched at October 04, 2022 02:54 PM
There's some place in Central America iirc where the temperature varies by only one degree. When it's 73 people say its too hot, when its 72 people say its too cold.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at October 04, 2022 02:56 PM (y3pKJ)
I was thinking more about the corrupt govt of LA stealing all the tax moneys and never updating anything and etc etc
if you're up in the north of the state you should be ok. but a lot of pain would occur before Louisiana (and other states) learned to face reality and stop being lazy and thieving.
it would probably be good in the long run but ugly for a while.
Posted by: BlackOrchid at October 04, 2022 02:57 PM (w0NJk)
Posted by: kraken at October 04, 2022 02:57 PM (Vr12I)
Posted by: nurse ratched at October 04, 2022 02:54 PM (/Tiaw)
I plan on going nova soon anyway....so-
Posted by: The Sun at October 04, 2022 02:57 PM (KLPy8)
.. so who is replacing Mark ?
Posted by: SMOD at October 04, 2022 02:56 PM (RHGPo)
The Robot Butler?
Posted by: Napoleon XIV at October 04, 2022 02:57 PM (AiZBA)
Posted by: Joe Bidenios at October 04, 2022 02:57 PM (2QTfF)
I think it is more relative risk.
So, for example in my town some areas are more flood prone then others.
40 years ago there were no houses there. Now there are.
I'm not suggesting Florida not get disaster money now since that is the system they paid into. But if we were a serious people we'd put caps on the money someone can get if they build in a dangerous area.
If you have a $1M beach home in an area that hurricanes hit every 10 years insurance either private or through government hand outs should be prohibitively expensive.
Posted by: 18-1 at October 04, 2022 02:57 PM (ESjRY)
Press F to mourn.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 04, 2022 02:57 PM (6FeV1)
Posted by: That NLurker guy at October 04, 2022 02:58 PM (eGTCV)
"Known hurricane paths"? That describes a dozen ENTIRE STATES you'd like to see completely depopulated.
Posted by: Rusty Nail at October 04, 2022 02:58 PM (3AR13)
Posted by: Comrade flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur at October 04, 2022 02:42 PM (yHsuS)
A non-binary otherkin has a broken brain.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic, Ashli Babbitt/Rosanne Boyland at October 04, 2022 02:59 PM (z99Zw)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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The Great Flood of 1927 of the Mississippi River. Worst hit states were Louisiana, Arkansas, and Mississippi.
Posted by: whig at October 04, 2022 02:59 PM (CXr4y)
good question. of EITHER party! crickets
Posted by: BlackOrchid at October 04, 2022 02:59 PM (w0NJk)
Micron Technology is going to spend $100 billion over the next 20 years to build a chip factory in upstate NY. Should create 50,000 jobs. The CEO made the announcement today - credited Biden, Schumer and the CHIPs Act by name.
MU may have just breathed new life into the Hochul campaign. The timing of the announcement wasn't coincidental.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at October 04, 2022 02:48 PM (9miN6)
Whatever happened to that huge factory the folks that make apple phones was going to build in Paul Ryan's district?
Posted by: Democrats at October 04, 2022 02:59 PM (Z32m1)
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 04, 2022 02:59 PM (qrbVb)
Posted by: nurse ratched at October 04, 2022 02:54 PM (/Tiaw)
______________
It's not about COMPLETELY avoiding them. It's about the insanity of deliberately building in well-known disaster areas that frequently get hit with . . . wait for it . . . natural disasters. As I said above, if you want to do this, then you should bear all the risk. I shouldn't have to pay to keep rebuilding someone else's expensive beach houses in a known disaster area.
Posted by: Elric Blade at October 04, 2022 02:59 PM (iFTx/)
Posted by: Archimedes at October 04, 2022 02:56 PM (ayzS/)
The problem is that the risk models are distorted by the lottery of federal and state aid.
My house was damaged by a Nor'easter a dozen years ago. My homeowners' insurance covered the damage. I got nothing from the government. But a few miles away?
Jackpot!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 04, 2022 02:59 PM (XIJ/X)
I mean, I know I’ve only got the wet-tissue level membership, but still…
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 04, 2022 02:59 PM (dS9wL)
Putin's Belgorod submarine is said to be capable of creating a 1,600-ft 'radioactive tsunami'
Posted by: SMOD at October 04, 2022 02:59 PM (RHGPo)
Posted by: That NLurker guy at October 04, 2022 02:58 PM (eGTCV)
Ronny Jackson for one
Posted by: Tofer732 at October 04, 2022 02:59 PM (fatpD)
.. so who is replacing Mark ?
Posted by: SMOD at October 04, 2022 02:56 PM (RHGPo)
Hopefully a Nexus 6 pleasure model.
Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at October 04, 2022 02:59 PM (qvpzJ)
But Biden is just a bit player in the world he supposedly runs.
Trump and Desantis are his only reason for existing within this sphere. He really should thank them.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 04, 2022 02:59 PM (KbCG3)
Posted by: whig at October 04, 2022 02:59 PM (CXr4y)
======
That's the one. I could have looked it up, but I had a feeling someone would know.
America was very difference before the Great Depression.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for the Invisible Man with Dracula and Frankenstein's monster at October 04, 2022 02:59 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 04, 2022 02:42 PM (qrbVb)
$1M for every little girl he gets to sniff.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic, Ashli Babbitt/Rosanne Boyland at October 04, 2022 02:59 PM (z99Zw)
What part of "live where you want, but don't bill me when it predictably goes wrong" is unclear?
Posted by: Archimedes at October 04, 2022 03:00 PM (ayzS/)
Posted by: TexasDan at October 04, 2022 03:00 PM (s/5s+)
Posted by: Skip's phone at October 04, 2022 03:00 PM (xhxe8)
Posted by: That NLurker guy at October 04, 2022 03:00 PM (eGTCV)
Posted by: That NLurker guy at October 04, 2022 02:58 PM (eGTCV)
No fucking way.
None dare call it dementia.
Posted by: JoeF. at October 04, 2022 03:00 PM (mR6Gs)
Posted by: steevy at October 04, 2022 03:00 PM (yezA1)
Posted by: nurse ratched at October 04, 2022 02:54 PM (/Tiaw)
It's impossible.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at October 04, 2022 03:00 PM (N30d6)
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 04, 2022 03:00 PM (qrbVb)
Posted by: nurse ratched at October 04, 2022 02:54 PM (/Tiaw)
--------
This is why we need to colonize Mars.
Oh, wait ...
Posted by: ShainS -- Triple-Jabbed & Quad-Boosted with the Biden Hurricane-22 Vaccine at October 04, 2022 03:00 PM (7qzIg)
Posted by: Elric Blade
*
Hmm...
(ponders local people paying for local insurance via Farm Bureau type local insurance policies to cover these sorts of things, be it in Oklahoma, Florida, or New York)
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at October 04, 2022 03:00 PM (kIrFD)
Posted by: wth at October 04, 2022 03:01 PM (v0R5T)
.. so who is replacing Mark ?
Posted by: SMOD at October 04, 2022 02:56 PM (RHGPo)
Hopefully a Nexus 6 pleasure model.
Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at October 04, 2022 02:59 PM (qvpzJ)
Forget it. She's hanging with Neil Young.
Posted by: Napoleon XIV at October 04, 2022 03:01 PM (AiZBA)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 04, 2022 03:01 PM (vH/6k)
It does not take 20 years to build a fab. Sounds fishy.
Posted by: Mentholated Smooth-Drawing gp at October 04, 2022 03:01 PM (24fqN)
Putin's Belgorod submarine is said to be capable of creating a 1,600-ft 'radioactive tsunami'
Gotta make some sacrifices to defend the essential American interest of who runs Donbas.
Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at October 04, 2022 03:01 PM (qvpzJ)
Posted by: Alexander Scipio at October 04, 2022 03:01 PM (+uzCP)
Posted by: nurse ratched at October 04, 2022 02:54 PM (/Tiaw)
Qatar is statistically the safest place on Earth from natural disasters.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at October 04, 2022 03:01 PM (UuD2k)
Posted by: Elric Blade at October 04, 2022 02:55 PM (iFTx/)
Not my problem!
So long, gayboys!
Posted by: Mr Chow from The Hangover at October 04, 2022 03:01 PM (ufFY8)
No, it means exactly what I thought it means. It's me subsidizing people who want a beach house, but don't want to cover the real risk of building there.
Posted by: Archimedes at October 04, 2022 02:44 PM (ayzS/)
____________________
Exactly. But it's not just the beach house people. Contractors and builders make a fortune building and then rebuilding the same houses over and over. That's why we are building so much expensive shit right in the middle of known hurricane paths. It's very profitable to do so.
Posted by: Elric Blade
So where are we supposed to live? If you follow the logic here, earthquake zones and tornado alley and volcanic activity all preclude building a home or a city. Your thinking is stupid.
Posted by: nurse ratched at October 04, 2022 02:50 PM (/Tiaw)
Elric gonna Elric, ma'am. I think it's the medication...
Posted by: CZ=FNG, Free Republic of Florida at October 04, 2022 03:01 PM (MkuC5)
I denounce myself for this, and for what I did to what I THOUGHT was a couch, but was actually Dr. Jill.
Posted by: couch fucker at October 04, 2022 03:01 PM (JTRqZ)
Posted by: That NLurker guy at October 04, 2022 02:58 PM (eGTCV)
Half of them have it, too.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at October 04, 2022 03:01 PM (N30d6)
Posted by: That NLurker guy at October 04, 2022 03:01 PM (eGTCV)
My house was damaged by a Nor'easter a dozen years ago. My homeowners' insurance covered the damage. I got nothing from the government. But a few miles away?
Jackpot!
That's an argument for getting rid of the aid. It distorts the market and encourages people to do foolish things at other people's expense.
Posted by: Archimedes at October 04, 2022 03:01 PM (ayzS/)
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 04, 2022 03:02 PM (qrbVb)
Posted by: ... at October 04, 2022 03:02 PM (PgIwc)
"Known hurricane paths"? That describes a dozen ENTIRE STATES you'd like to see completely depopulated.
Posted by: Rusty Nail at October 04, 2022 02:58 PM (3AR13)
_______________
Are you even reading my comments? I said you can live wherever you want to live, but don't ask me to pay for it when the inevitable happens. And it's not a dozen states at risk. It's the usually the same counties over and over. We know which areas are most likely to be hit.
Posted by: Elric Blade at October 04, 2022 03:02 PM (iFTx/)
Is it just financial support? Is there logistical work regarding the directing of supplies? Is there clean up work that they do?
No contracting, but FEMA itself.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for the Invisible Man with Dracula and Frankenstein's monster at October 04, 2022 03:02 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: LiveFreeOrDie at October 04, 2022 03:02 PM (Z4oqp)
When it's 73 people say its too hot, when its 72 people say its too cold.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at October 04, 2022 02:56 PM (y3pKJ)
_________
Likely all women.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 04, 2022 03:02 PM (1Nxff)
Posted by: Marcus T at October 04, 2022 03:02 PM (OTvdu)
(FoxNews) The Biden administration is working on a "national strategy" for establishing diversity, equity and inclusion policies for the government that officials hope can be used as a template for companies and other organizations throughout the country.
In part, last week, OPM convened the first meeting of the Chief Diversity Officers Executive Council to "implement and sustain" a government-wide plan for (DEIA) in government hiring and employment.
Yeah, tell anyone associated with the Federal government they're inaccurate, you'll be a racist.
Posted by: Lola at October 04, 2022 03:03 PM (NIYa7)
Posted by: whig at October 04, 2022 02:59 PM (CXr4y)
======
That's the one. I could have looked it up, but I had a feeling someone would know.
America was very difference before the Great Depression.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for the Invisible Man with Dracula and Frankenstein's monster at October 04, 2022 02:59 PM (LvTSG)
It wasn't normal for the federal government to get involved in natural disasters in the past.
Posted by: Someguy's at October 04, 2022 03:03 PM (VPWcH)
That can be a pain in the ass in Minnesota winters after a snow storm. But I never had to worry about floods.
Posted by: Democrats at October 04, 2022 03:03 PM (Z32m1)
Republican Herbert Hoover gained popularity and the presidency by promoting the use of federal dollars to help in state emergencies, after a 1927 flood of the Mississippi did horrific damage and spawned 500 blues songs. The Red Cross did a lot of good and helped out everyone, but Hoover though the government should ride to the rescue.
As Republican silent Cal's Secretary of Commerce, Hoover was sent down to help coordinate rescue and cleanup efforts and did a good job both of the work and making damned sure he got all the publicity and credit.
When he became president he put lots of federal dollars into emergency rescue and assistance funds. Hoover was, in essence, the first GOPe Republican, totally willing to use socialist ideas to promote his employment prospects and power.
Which really doesn't mesh well with the concept of federalism and conservatism but its pretty much something that everyone takes for granted as the federal government's duty and job.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 04, 2022 03:03 PM (Ivdso)
Or was that black youth?
One or the other.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at October 04, 2022 03:03 PM (kIrFD)
All the old farts do is live in air conditioning, fight for a place at the early bird special and steal Sweet N Low while not tipping the help then home for an enema and CNN.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at October 04, 2022 03:04 PM (iLmHM)
Also the left: Gimme all your money to fund our "big government" or to jail you go
Also, also the left: Ok, so the government might have, sort of, actually caused the problem. Mistakes were made, we'll improve training, yada yada
Posted by: 18-1 at October 04, 2022 03:04 PM (ESjRY)
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at October 04, 2022 03:01 PM (UuD2k
We beg to differ.
Posted by: The Goats at October 04, 2022 03:04 PM (ufFY8)
Posted by: Dr. Bone at October 04, 2022 03:04 PM (z+OQR)
______________
I think you mean, "sweet, laundered through Ukraine, American taxpayer cash."
Posted by: Chuck Martel at October 04, 2022 03:04 PM (fs1hN)
MU may have just breathed new life into the Hochul campaign. The timing of the announcement wasn't coincidental.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at October 04, 2022 02:48 PM (9miN6)
And it'll never happen. Chip fabs require a lot of power.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic, Ashli Babbitt/Rosanne Boyland at October 04, 2022 03:04 PM (z99Zw)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 04, 2022 03:03 PM (Ivdso)
===========
Herbert Hoover is pretty much only liked these days by big government GOPe types.
He distorted the federal government's roles in disasters, made everything worse, and screwed up so badly that we got FDR for the next decade plus.
I mean...he's the ideal Republican.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for the Invisible Man with Dracula and Frankenstein's monster at October 04, 2022 03:05 PM (LvTSG)
I have no data in back that up.
Posted by: That NLurker guy at October 04, 2022 03:05 PM (eGTCV)
Posted by: Ian S. at October 04, 2022 03:05 PM (ZGrMX)
All the old farts do is live in air conditioning, fight for a place at the early bird special and steal Sweet N Low while not tipping the help then home for an enema and CNN.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at October 04, 2022 03:04 PM (iLmHM)
So you have been to Sarasota.
Posted by: kraken at October 04, 2022 03:05 PM (Vr12I)
Posted by: Elric Blade at October 04, 2022 02:59 PM (iFTx/)
What level of risk is acceptable or sensible? Nearly everywhere in the country is at some elevated risk for one kind of disaster or other.
Posted by: ... at October 04, 2022 03:05 PM (PgIwc)
Posted by: CZ=FNG, Free Republic of Florida at October 04, 2022 03:01 PM (MkuC5)
______________
What the fuck is that supposed to mean? F you if you think it's "medication" causing me not to want to pay for rebuilding someone else's home when they and they alone made the choice to build in a risky area. I recently put in a new roof deck. You care to send me some money to subsidize it? No? Then shut the fuck up.
Posted by: Elric Blade at October 04, 2022 03:06 PM (iFTx/)
I have no data in back that up.
Posted by: That NLurker guy at October 04, 2022 03:05 PM (eGTCV)
Unless you count getting crushed by a glacier catastrophic.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at October 04, 2022 03:06 PM (UuD2k)
I have no data in back that up.
You'd think so, but no.
Posted by: Mile high wall of ice at October 04, 2022 03:06 PM (ayzS/)
Posted by: Democrats at October 04, 2022 02:59 PM (Z32m1) "
Foxconn
LOL, pretty much what you woulda figured; zip, zero, nada.
though I'm sure that a variety of consulting firms are billing big $ and various big guys have gotten a cut.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - we are being gaslighted 24/365 at October 04, 2022 03:06 PM (8oyo2)
Posted by: Puddleglum at October 04, 2022 03:06 PM (sAmhv)
I think the number of hurricanes that Elric has had experience with is between zero and nada.
Posted by: Rusty Nail at October 04, 2022 03:06 PM (3AR13)
Please tell us Brady got a prenup.
Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at October 04, 2022 03:06 PM (qvpzJ)
**
Wow, imagine that. Throwing trillions of free dollars at someone will make them open a factory. Learn something every day.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at October 04, 2022 03:06 PM (kIrFD)
When did the assholes make you their king?
Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at October 04, 2022 02:56 PM (yikp0)
regi-->regem
Posted by: m at October 04, 2022 03:07 PM (8rTNG)
Ohio not on a flood plain vs Florida on a sand beach where major hurricanes strike every few years.
I think if you run the actual insurance tables you'll see a rather substantial difference.
Posted by: 18-1 at October 04, 2022 03:07 PM (ESjRY)
Posted by: nurse ratched at October 04, 2022 02:54 PM (/Tiaw)
Melrose, NM
Posted by: Roland THTG at October 04, 2022 03:07 PM (j40lz)
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 04, 2022 03:07 PM (qrbVb)
I have no data in back that up.
Posted by: That NLurker guy at October 04, 2022 03:05 PM (eGTCV)
I dunno...don't the places with feet of snow in storms tend to get that ice issue that destroys roofs and causes water issues everywhere?
That said, NoVA statistically is probably one of the safest places to avoid natural disasters...anywhere at this climate level, not in hurricane/tornado/earthquake/wildfire valley probably also is..
Posted by: Nova local at October 04, 2022 03:07 PM (exHjb)
Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at October 04, 2022 03:07 PM (3Or4S)
For the cruise ship republican set and Democrats, yeah. Advances the democrat agenda then loses so they can have power.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 04, 2022 03:07 PM (Ivdso)
Posted by: Skip's phone at October 04, 2022 03:07 PM (xhxe8)
The Biden administration is working on a "national strategy" for establishing diversity, equity and inclusion policies for the government that officials hope can be used as a template for companies and other organizations throughout the country.
__________
So, discrimination having been made illegal, Grievance groups have not caught up. Therefore, discrimination is again legal.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 04, 2022 03:07 PM (1Nxff)
Fetterman came out as a "gun grabber"
Posted by: SMOD at October 04, 2022 03:07 PM (RHGPo)
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at October 04, 2022 03:08 PM (kIrFD)
You're in one of the better areas. I mean volcanoes are almost inconceivably destructive, but they are super rare, too.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 04, 2022 03:08 PM (Ivdso)
Elric is trying to tell you that you decide that risk, when you choose where to live. You bear the consequences of your risk decision, not everybody else.
Posted by: Mentholated Smooth-Drawing gp at October 04, 2022 03:08 PM (24fqN)
boss is a closet reich-winger so the joke was on NPC.
and I also like CBD's suggestion
Posted by: kallisto at October 04, 2022 03:08 PM (dCxaZ)
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at October 04, 2022 03:08 PM (ppBhU)
Fortunately, we have people whose entire job is to estimate those risks for the private sector. They even get paid for it, and go out of business if they keep getting it wrong.
Posted by: Archimedes at October 04, 2022 03:08 PM (ayzS/)
Posted by: kraken at October 04, 2022 03:08 PM (Vr12I)
I have no data in back that up.
Cooling temperatures in Europe seem to have led to the black death.
Note, the hottest temperature in modern history happened in the high middle ages.
Posted by: 18-1 at October 04, 2022 03:08 PM (ESjRY)
Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at October 04, 2022 03:08 PM (3Or4S)
That's an argument for getting rid of the aid. It distorts the market and encourages people to do foolish things at other people's expense.
Posted by: Archimedes at October 04, 2022 03:01 PM
There's an area near me that floods every 20 years or so. Last years HC remnants was #3 flood. Really bad. It's only anecdotal but I've heard that FEMA sent a letter to every resident on the street that said, 'Never again. You're on your own."
I have seen one home lifted about 10 feet higher since then. The rest still have shit drying out in the back yards, porta potties, generators going. A year later.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at October 04, 2022 03:08 PM (y3pKJ)
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at October 04, 2022 03:08 PM (cupoy)
Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at October 04, 2022 03:06 PM (qvpzJ)
Pretty sure she's got more $$$ than he does. They're both pretty annoying - which is why they seemed to be a good match - but at least he's been a good source of entertainment, esp for a Pats fan.
Posted by: Peaches at October 04, 2022 03:08 PM (14URa)
yep this is why Operation Herschel started today (actually last night)
Posted by: BlackOrchid at October 04, 2022 03:08 PM (w0NJk)
End FEMA and let individual states use those funds to create their own state-level EMAs?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for the Invisible Man with Dracula and Frankenstein's monster at October 04, 2022
***
FLEMA (Florida)
LEMA (Lousy-ana)
MEMA (Montana)
(It's a shame there's no state abbreviated EN)
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, dreaming of Elsewhere at October 04, 2022 03:08 PM (J2vNu)
Posted by: naturalfake at October 04, 2022 02:52 PM (KLPy
Bullshit, it's one or the other. Not both.
Once you've had the wurst, you never go back.
Posted by: Guy who smells like a liverwurst sandwich. at October 04, 2022 03:08 PM (44ww/)
Posted by: Elric Blade
There's over a dozen states that wouldn't meet the threshold that you set.
That's what the fuck it means.
Posted by: Blue Hen at October 04, 2022 03:09 PM (JTRqZ)
And they'll close it again the second the EPA comes sniffing around.
Posted by: Ian S. at October 04, 2022 03:09 PM (ZGrMX)
Posted by: ... at October 04, 2022 03:09 PM (PgIwc)
Posted by: Elric Blade at October 04, 2022 02:59 PM (iFTx/)
What level of risk is acceptable or sensible? Nearly everywhere in the country is at some elevated risk for one kind of disaster or other.
Posted by: ... at October 04, 2022 03:05 PM (PgIwc)
_________________
It's really very simple: you pay for your own risk, whatever that may be. People in areas with no risk of flooding shouldn't be paying for mandatory flood insurance that subsidizes rebuilding other people's homes in actual flood areas. This is such an obviously simple concept I can only surmise that the pushback I'm getting is from people who chose to live in these areas and want me to help pay for it.
Posted by: Elric Blade at October 04, 2022 03:09 PM (iFTx/)
Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 04, 2022 03:09 PM (BTIKu)
Posted by: x at October 04, 2022 03:09 PM (ZC2go)
I think one of the safest places to hide out a hurricane in a city would be parked on the third floor of a parking ramp near the elevator banks.
Posted by: rd at October 04, 2022 03:09 PM (Z32m1)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 04, 2022 02:42 PM (vH/6k)"
The Bidens took money from the old pro-Russia elements in Ukraine. Those people are long out of power and the cabal's main interest in Ukraine now is abusing them to drum up the desired type of conflict. They're holding aid back to draw things out... while Ukraine knows they're being used but will, reasonably, milk all the aid they can get since for them this is a war of survival.
Neither group is doing this for simple graft; you need to think much bigger. Meanwhile Chinese money which is still flowing to the Bidens very much wants to see this war.
Posted by: somedood at October 04, 2022 03:09 PM (7rP4D)
Posted by: SFGoth at October 04, 2022 03:09 PM (KAi1n)
Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 04, 2022 03:09 PM (6FeV1)
Which, honestly I sympathize with to a point; some people lack the resources or ability to get to anywhere else. And its our responsibility as fellow humans and neighbors (remember the story of the good samaritan?) to help those in need around us. But I'm not a neighbor of Tampa, and my tax dollars shouldn't be extorted out to bail out someone living on a sand bar off North Carolina.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 04, 2022 03:10 PM (Ivdso)
Posted by: kraken at October 04, 2022 03:08 PM (Vr12I)
California has nice weather and is pretty predictable. Main natural disaster is wildfires, which is avoidable and caused by mismanagement.
Posted by: Someguy's at October 04, 2022 03:10 PM (VPWcH)
Other than that, maybe some hail damage from storms.
All the shit weather is moderate, at worst.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at October 04, 2022 03:10 PM (ufFY8)
https://tinyurl.com/5n8jbh8b
Posted by: bed head at October 04, 2022 03:10 PM (Y1sOo)
Posted by: Kamalaho at October 04, 2022 03:10 PM (/qdLp)
gotta think about that a while
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - we are being gaslighted 24/365 at October 04, 2022 03:10 PM (8oyo2)
Hillary has a snatch
No, it's a snizz.
Posted by: Ian S. at October 04, 2022 03:10 PM (ZGrMX)
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at October 04, 2022 03:10 PM (UuD2k)
I have no data in back that up.
Posted by: That NLurker guy
When it gets cold enough, all motion stops, so yeah.
Posted by: SFGoth at October 04, 2022 03:10 PM (KAi1n)
Also the left: We found this woman to say Herschel knocked her up and she got an abortion. Obviously you can't vote for Herschel now...right?
Posted by: 18-1 at October 04, 2022 03:10 PM (ESjRY)
Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko Solutions at October 04, 2022 03:10 PM (mnoTq)
Posted by: Skip's phone at October 04, 2022 03:10 PM (xhxe8)
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But there's Nothing to dooooo around here!
Posted by: Northern Connecticut teenager at October 04, 2022 03:11 PM (fs1hN)
Posted by: kraken at October 04, 2022 03:08 PM (Vr12I)
California has nice weather and is pretty predictable. Main natural disaster is wildfires, which is avoidable and caused by mismanagement.
Posted by: Someguy's at October 04, 2022 03:10 PM (VPWcH)
So, hellhole.
Posted by: kraken at October 04, 2022 03:11 PM (Vr12I)
Elric is trying to tell you that you decide that risk, when you choose where to live. You bear the consequences of your risk decision, not everybody else.
Posted by: Mentholated Smooth-Drawing gp at October 04, 2022 03:08 PM (24fqN)
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Exactly. Except there seems to be a bunch of freeloaders on this site who want someone else to pay for their decisions.
Posted by: Elric Blade at October 04, 2022 03:11 PM (iFTx/)
Posted by: Tofer732 at October 04, 2022 03:11 PM (fatpD)
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 04, 2022 03:11 PM (dS9wL)
Fetterman came out as a "gun grabber"
Posted by: SMOD at October 04, 2022 03:07 PM (RHGPo)
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But the polls in June!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for the Invisible Man with Dracula and Frankenstein's monster at October 04, 2022 03:11 PM (LvTSG)
Fetterman came out as a "gun grabber"
Posted by: SMOD
Came out? He always was, he just hid it. 'It was revealed' would be more accurate.
Posted by: Puddleglum at October 04, 2022 03:11 PM (sAmhv)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 04, 2022 03:11 PM (1Nxff)
It's really very simple: you pay for your own risk, whatever that may be. People in areas with no risk of flooding shouldn't be paying for mandatory flood insurance that subsidizes rebuilding other people's homes in actual flood areas. This is such an obviously simple concept I can only surmise that the pushback I'm getting is from people who chose to live in these areas and want me to help pay for it.
Posted by: Elric Blade at October 04, 2022 03:09 PM (iFTx/)
Can you get government flood insurance outside government designated flood zones?
Posted by: rd at October 04, 2022 03:11 PM (Z32m1)
Posted by: Archimedes at October 04, 2022 03:08 PM (ayzS/)
My question wasn't about how to calculate it, it was about the threshold of acceptability after which "help" should or should not be given.
Posted by: ... at October 04, 2022 03:11 PM (PgIwc)
Posted by: SBSP at October 04, 2022 03:12 PM (WmGrA)
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Shh! Don't tell him.
Posted by: San Andreas Fault at October 04, 2022 03:12 PM (fs1hN)
That's an argument for charity, not taxpayer money extorted at the point of a gun.
Posted by: Archimedes at October 04, 2022 03:12 PM (ayzS/)
Posted by: Lola at October 04, 2022 03:13 PM (NIYa7)
I mean, specifically he grabbed a shotgun and chased an innocent black man.
Posted by: Ian S. at October 04, 2022 03:13 PM (ZGrMX)
Posted by: Elric Blade
There's over a dozen states that wouldn't meet the threshold that you set.
That's what the fuck it means.
Posted by: Blue Hen at October 04, 2022 03:09 PM (JTRqZ)
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So what? Let them pay for their own decisions and stop freeloading off me. Or should I send you a bill for renovations to my place?
Posted by: Elric Blade at October 04, 2022 03:13 PM (iFTx/)
Posted by: SMOD at October 04, 2022 03:13 PM (RHGPo)
Posted by: Skip's phone at October 04, 2022 03:00 PM (xhxe
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And Jill's underwear drawers!
Posted by: ShainS -- Triple-Jabbed & Quad-Boosted with the Biden Hurricane-22 Vaccine at October 04, 2022 03:13 PM (odqVH)
Posted by: Divide by Zero at October 04, 2022 03:08 PM (y3pKJ)
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Our previous house was in a flood zone, and the only way to get it out was to raise the house. We considered it, but estimates put it at a minimum of $30,000 - $100,000 to do it, plus contracting work to build porches and stairs and such.
Our new house is also in a flood zone, but much less badly than the previous house. The only part is really a corner of the yard. Our annual flood insurance went from $4,000 to $400.
Oh, and we never claimed flood damage at the old house. We went through several hurricanes including a 100 year flood over there.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for the Invisible Man with Dracula and Frankenstein's monster at October 04, 2022 03:13 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: Tornado Alley at October 04, 2022 03:14 PM (JTRqZ)
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Shh! Don't tell him.
Posted by: San Andreas Fault at October 04, 2022 03:12 PM (fs1hN)
And until Yellowstone blew North America was inhabited by humans.
Posted by: Someguy's at October 04, 2022 03:14 PM (VPWcH)
According to the Bible perhaps, but the Constitution is not the Bible. That there is charity, plain and simple.
Posted by: Mentholated Smooth-Drawing gp at October 04, 2022 03:14 PM (24fqN)
Posted by: Libertarian Greatest Hits at October 04, 2022 03:14 PM (ppBhU)
No, it's a snizz.
Posted by: Ian S. at October 04, 2022 03:10 PM (ZGrMX)
A hellhole.
Posted by: Webb Hubbell at October 04, 2022 03:14 PM (ufFY8)
Posted by: Samuel Jackson at October 04, 2022 03:14 PM (v0R5T)
Posted by: Indignatio Vindacatorem at October 04, 2022 03:14 PM (9Ow33)
Posted by: Elric Blade at October 04, 2022 03:06 PM (iFTx/)
You file an insurance claim?
If you did, then I subsidized it.
If you didn't and you bear animosity to the folks down in Ft. Meyers simply because they had the unmitigated temerity to want a nice house in a warm climate, and then got run over by a Cat 4 hurricane then you've got other issues.
Posted by: CZ=FNG, Free Republic of Florida at October 04, 2022 03:14 PM (MkuC5)
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Guns! grab..... will??...... I .... start?..... now!
Posted by: Fetterman at October 04, 2022 03:14 PM (fs1hN)
The government should not, and constitutionally cannot, be responsible for funding "help". There is no threshold. If you choose to live somewhere, and not to insure yourself, that's on you.
Posted by: Archimedes at October 04, 2022 03:14 PM (ayzS/)
No, it's a snizz.
Posted by: Ian S. at October 04, 2022 03:10 PM (ZGrMX)
A hellhole.
Posted by: Webb Hubbell at October 04, 2022 03:14 PM (ufFY
.......
a snuke.
Posted by: wth at October 04, 2022 03:14 PM (v0R5T)
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at October 04, 2022 03:15 PM (N30d6)
Posted by: Elric Blade at October 04, 2022 03:11 PM (iFTx/)
I didn't get a sufficient reply on what level of risk is acceptable before help can be given. I'm hardly a communist and I would prefer help come charitably rather than through brute force, but we live in an imperfect world where shit happens.
What shit is considered "shit happens" and therefore is deserving of help? Or do you just go "every man for himself, fuck you, I got mine".
Posted by: ... at October 04, 2022 03:15 PM (PgIwc)
Posted by: ...
Some good race tracks in Northern Connecticut (Lime Rock, Stafford). It was hilly and lots of forests up there too. Drove through that area a few years back.
Posted by: Puddleglum at October 04, 2022 03:15 PM (sAmhv)
>Fetterman should be on a road crew cracking rock with a sledgehammer for the department of corrections.
Posted by: Dr. Bone at October 04, 2022 03:16 PM (z+OQR)
Posted by: SMOD at October 04, 2022 03:13 PM (RHGPo)
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"Feature, not a bug."
Posted by: ShainS -- Triple-Jabbed & Quad-Boosted with the Biden Hurricane-22 Vaccine at October 04, 2022 03:16 PM (odqVH)
Posted by: Fetterman at October 04, 2022 03:14 PM (fs1hN)
Understand I.
Posted by: The Horta at October 04, 2022 03:16 PM (AiZBA)
And human beings are really, really bad at this. This whole business of people building where floods destroy everything every 20 years or so...where they are building a house they want to live in for decades is evidence of this.
The "sort of" answer is to make people swallow the costs. If you see people ruined because they moved into a flood zone and didn't get flood insurance you'll learn...at least most people will.
But...our government just can't work like this, because if candidate A says "Hey should have gotten your insurance people" and candidate B says "here is a stack of money from everyone else" those people will just vote for candidate B while the people paying for it will NOT generally turn out to vote for candidate A.
Posted by: 18-1 at October 04, 2022 03:16 PM (ESjRY)
Posted by: Hairyback Guy
This is oddly specific.
Posted by: Sharkman at October 04, 2022 03:16 PM (/lE6c)
Posted by: Webb Hubbell
When you're in a hellhole, at least you know where you stand.
Posted by: SFGoth at October 04, 2022 03:16 PM (KAi1n)
Posted by: Elric Blade
You should, if you can prove you're housebroken. Otherwise, you took the piss, you take the risk.
Posted by: Blue Hen at October 04, 2022 03:16 PM (JTRqZ)
yeah and Josh Shapiro won't debate Doug Mastriano and Chrissy Houlihan won't debate Guy Ciarrocchi
it's the new dem hotness - don't bother debating let the media do all the work for you
Posted by: BlackOrchid at October 04, 2022 03:17 PM (w0NJk)
The fires are a bigger threat in California now, especially for the rural communities. Especially with Democrat "leadership" on the environmental lobby payroll.
Earthquakes are bad but only for the urban environments and the genuinely destructive ones are exceedingly rare and less of a problem with modern construction.
Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at October 04, 2022 03:17 PM (qvpzJ)
Well I mean, everywhere is a risk area, its a matter of how high and how likely they are.
If, for example, Mt Rainier erupted (as will happen some day), almost all of Seattle would disappear in a matter of minutes, even if the eruption was on the opposite side of the volcano. But I mean the last time it blew up was 5 centuries ago or earlier (the 500 year one was a pyroclastic flow, which may or may not have had quakes). So the risk is severe, but rate.
On the other hand, the San Andreas and related faults had a major earthquake was in Antelope Valley last year (6.0). The last one that really caused a lot of damage was Northridge in 1994, I think? The risk is uncommon, but also significant.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 04, 2022 03:17 PM (Ivdso)
But...our government just can't work like this, because if candidate A says "Hey should have gotten your insurance people" and candidate B says "here is a stack of money from everyone else" those people will just vote for candidate B while the people paying for it will NOT generally turn out to vote for candidate A.
Posted by: 18-1 at October 04, 2022 03:16 PM (ESjRY)
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I've owned houses in flood zones, and flood insurance was not an option we could choose to go without. The bank would not give us the loan without it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for the Invisible Man with Dracula and Frankenstein's monster at October 04, 2022 03:17 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus
People know the gamble. Same with barrier reefs.
Galveston Island is the same way. Public beach goes from the water to the vegetation line. Huge risk having your home within 100 yards of the beach. Hurricane Alicia came thru and scoured the vegetation line back and three rows of houses were now on the public beach and forfeited.
Posted by: rickb223 Cruel ace is the best ace at October 04, 2022 03:17 PM (AXL3t)
Arguably, there should be a similar hybrid system for earthquakes, tornadoes, and hurricanes. But there won't be.
That being said, in about ten to twenty years or if the US loses reserve currency status, expect that you may receive nothing at all in a disaster as it will compete with required functions, interest on the national debt, plus entitlements. All the West plus probably China are reaching the end of fiat currency and there will have to be either a default, austerity, or hyperinflation on a Weimar scale.
Posted by: whig at October 04, 2022 03:17 PM (CXr4y)
Posted by: kraken
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Until the New Madrid fault line acts up.
There's a little piece of Western Kentucky detached from the rest of the state as result of the last time it happened. Changed the course of the Mississippi.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at October 04, 2022 03:17 PM (SIZS3)
Posted by: Ian S. at October 04, 2022 03:05 PM (ZGrMX)
I've been with my first wife 33 years this month. I'll keep the current model, thanks.
Posted by: clutch at October 04, 2022 03:17 PM (9UmRs)
Yep. I know a couple who had a great place on the Lake, on a high bluff. Their house is maybe 100 feet away from the ledge, but they were responsible and spent a shit ton of money building erosion prevention stuff, and planting vegetation on the sand slope.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at October 04, 2022 03:17 PM (ufFY8)
Posted by: Archimedes at October 04, 2022 03:14 PM (ayzS/)
Those are the ones who truly fry my ass.
Posted by: Peaches at October 04, 2022 03:18 PM (14URa)
FEMA dot gov
Posted by: Lola at October 04, 2022 03:18 PM (NIYa7)
Posted by: REDACTED at October 04, 2022 03:18 PM (us2H3)
That's why we're in this boat. Politicians exploit natural disasters with other people's money and desire to help those in need.
It's amazing how many people who claim to be conservatives can't see the problem with this model, and allowing politicians to use it.
Posted by: Archimedes at October 04, 2022 03:18 PM (ayzS/)
https://tinyurl.com/58ffk9n4
Posted by: Gref at October 04, 2022 03:18 PM (AMIL/)
Posted by: BlackOrchid at October 04, 2022 03:17 PM (w0NJk)
Good. Debates are an asinine farce, and the idea that any sane "message" can come out of one, or that anyone "wins" the entirely predictable media-led hatchet-fest besides the uniparty approved candidate, is laughable.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 04, 2022 03:18 PM (6FeV1)
Can you get government flood insurance outside government designated flood zones?
Posted by: rd at October 04, 2022 03:11 PM (Z32m1)
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That I don't know. Probably, if you're willing to pay for it. You can probably add your own flood insurance if you are willing to pay the premiums. But I'm talking about the gov't forcing property owners to pay for flood insurance in areas that have no risk of flooding. And the insurance is expensive too. To give an example, one of the properties in my client's portfolio has to pay over 4x in flood insurance what it pays for "regular" CGL insurance. That's insane. Where is that money going? Oh yea . . . .
Posted by: Elric Blade at October 04, 2022 03:19 PM (iFTx/)
The problem is that we've had over 100 years of "America That Cares About You." (I chalk it up to women's suffrage, initially.) Five generations of citizens are conditioned to expect federal disaster responses, financial bailouts, social security, medicare etc. They think it's all part of the founders' 'generous' vision.
In reality, our govt has shown its inability to do even its mere enumerated tasks competently. So why expect more?
Posted by: Mentholated Smooth-Drawing gp at October 04, 2022 03:19 PM (24fqN)
Posted by: ... at October 04, 2022 03:15 PM (PgIwc
I don't know about Elric, but we do have some posters- or at least one-who espouses that opinion.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 04, 2022 03:19 PM (vH/6k)
No, it's a snizz.
Posted by: Ian S. at October 04, 2022 03:10 PM (ZGrMX)
A hellhole.
Posted by: Webb Hubbell at October 04, 2022 03:14 PM (ufFY
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a snuke.
In ingrown gunt.
Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at October 04, 2022 03:19 PM (qvpzJ)
Posted by: Archimedes at October 04, 2022 03:14 PM (ayzS/)
What if a meteor strikes? My point is I love this world we supposedly live in where the government doesn't fund any of this stuff, except you know, it does.
We pay for a lot of other people's bad decisions. We don't live in a textbook. Why should we only be paying for SOME people's bad decisions but if disaster strikes you're on your own? Seems weird.
Posted by: ... at October 04, 2022 03:19 PM (PgIwc)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 04, 2022 03:19 PM (Ivdso)
Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 04, 2022 03:18 PM (6FeV1)
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I think it's also pretty nicely dismissive of the people. "No, you will only see me in carefully curated ad spots, because that's all you deserve."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for the Invisible Man with Dracula and Frankenstein's monster at October 04, 2022 03:19 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at October 04, 2022 03:10 PM (UuD2k)
In the Red River Valley of the Dakotas, there are farmsteads surrounded by huge berms / levees.
A lot of homes would be 90-95% less flood prone if they built them on a raised foundation of just a few feet.
Last city I lived in? I was at the 3-6 foot higher end of the street. The poor SOBs at the other end? All the rainwater would flow down the street into their yard and home 6" - 2 feet deep after a large 3"+ rainstorm.
Posted by: rd at October 04, 2022 03:19 PM (Z32m1)
https://tinyurl.com/58ffk9n4
Posted by: Gref at October 04, 2022 03:18 PM (AMIL/)
THANK YOU! I glimpsed them yesterday and have been worried I was alone in my horror.
Posted by: Peaches at October 04, 2022 03:20 PM (14URa)
No, it's a snizz.
Posted by: Ian S. at October 04, 2022 03:10 PM (ZGrMX)
A hellhole.
Meat wallet
Posted by: Doyle Hargrave at October 04, 2022 03:20 PM (2cfUo)
that is SO Delaware
*apologies to First State Morons who in any case would not wear coral color espadrilles with that slipcover-theme dress*
Posted by: kallisto at October 04, 2022 03:20 PM (dCxaZ)
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 04, 2022 03:20 PM (dS9wL)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for the Invisible Man with Dracula and Frankenstein's monster at October 04, 2022 03:17 PM (LvTSG)
Flood insurance is very limited in the scope of its coverage, beyond that it's all on the property owner.
What people don't realize is the quantity of aid that goes to the local governments for reconstruction of infrastructure.
Posted by: CZ=FNG, Free Republic of Florida at October 04, 2022 03:21 PM (MkuC5)
Only if you voluntarily entered into the same insurance contract. It's not an involuntary citizen's guaranteed insurance policy!
Posted by: Mentholated Smooth-Drawing gp at October 04, 2022 03:21 PM (24fqN)
Not just upstate, but near Syracuse. That's a strange choice, from a transportation standpoint.
Posted by: t-bird at October 04, 2022 03:21 PM (amJF4)
Posted by: kallisto at October 04, 2022 03:21 PM (dCxaZ)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for the Invisible Man with Dracula and Frankenstein's monster at October 04, 2022
it's required by federal law on all mortgages for houses in flood zones
Posted by: x at October 04, 2022 03:21 PM (ZC2go)
And this is a never ending argument for extending what we pay for.
I agree there is no easy answer - politically if you go with "f*ck you you made a bad choice learn from it" you will not get elected or re-elected at least.
But as long as we keep privatizing profits/benefits and socializing failures/disasters we'll keep getting more of the latter.
Posted by: 18-1 at October 04, 2022 03:21 PM (ESjRY)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 04, 2022 03:21 PM (Ivdso)
Posted by: Archimedes at October 04, 2022 03:14 PM (ayzS/)
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Reminds me of Col. & Rep. Davy Crockett's famous speech in Congress arguing against the Welfare State.
But yeah, unfortunately, that ship sailed centuries ago ...
Posted by: ShainS -- Triple-Jabbed & Quad-Boosted with the Biden Hurricane-22 Vaccine at October 04, 2022 03:22 PM (Y2/Oh)
https://tinyurl.com/58ffk9n4
Posted by: Gref at October 04, 2022 03:18 PM (AMIL/)
...........
It seems she's color blind.
Posted by: wth at October 04, 2022 03:22 PM (v0R5T)
Posted by: Yooper Poachers at October 04, 2022 03:22 PM (WmGrA)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for the Invisible Man with Dracula and Frankenstein's monster at October 04, 2022 03:22 PM (LvTSG)
https://tinyurl.com/58ffk9n4
Very ugly shoes. They match the color of the orange flowers in her dress, however. I guess that's what she was going for?
I am glad I am not the First Lady. Not only because that would mean being married to Joe-but I'd also have my clothes critiqued all the time.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 04, 2022 03:22 PM (vH/6k)
For anybody who doesn't like that, there's a Democrat Party they can join.
Posted by: Mentholated Smooth-Drawing gp at October 04, 2022 03:22 PM (24fqN)
I have flood insurance I had to buy when I took out the mortgage on Schloss Hadrian. The elevation is 45 feet. The only time we were seriously threatened was Harvey and even then it would have been another two feet before it got into the house. I doubt a storm surge would make it here.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 04, 2022 03:22 PM (fE74p)
What is wrong with you? It's not "the president's wallet". It is American taxpayers' money. ...
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Nah, it's just like the benefits coming out of "Obama's Stash" back in the day.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 04, 2022 03:22 PM (t0OGg)
mmm hmmm
uhhyep
anyway the debate thing - they ARE important despite all the goofiness - people get to see and compare the candidates! in PA we're not going to get to do that AT ALL! it's totally on purpose to keep Doug looking like some freakish weirdo instead of a nice, thoughtful guy. plus the Left owns the media, the placements (even if they do ad buys they will get somewhat shafted compared to the Left's candidates), and the bots that are popping up everywhere online with garbage.
Posted by: BlackOrchid at October 04, 2022 03:23 PM (w0NJk)
https://tinyurl.com/58ffk9n4
Posted by: Gref at October 04, 2022 03:18 PM (AMIL/)
...........
It seems she's color blind.
Posted by: wth at October 04, 2022 03:22 PM (v0R5T)
She ain't no Melania.
Posted by: Napoleon XIV at October 04, 2022 03:23 PM (AiZBA)
One of the beauties of freedom. If people choose their own level of risk, not only do we get fewer deaths from disasters (remember, encouraging people to live in higher-risk areas doesn’t just mean their houses are destroyed regularly; there’s also a rate of people who die regularly because of that incentive).
But we also get innovative new ways of living in areas that would otherwise be unlivable—or require exorbitant insurance. A federal bailout discourages such innovation.
Otherwise, we might as well stop complaining that everyone has to get insurance against pregnancy and making fun of the fact that Obamacare requires even people for whom it is physically impossible to be pregnant to get insured for it.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at October 04, 2022 03:23 PM (U+Oxn)
We pay for a lot of other people's bad decisions. We don't live in a textbook. Why should we only be paying for SOME people's bad decisions but if disaster strikes you're on your own? Seems weird.
Apples and oranges. There's no way to prepare for a meteor strike. It's location is unknowable and unavoidable, since every place on earth has exactly the same risk.
I suppose in that case, one could pass an amendment allowing assistance.
Posted by: Archimedes at October 04, 2022 03:23 PM (ayzS/)
Posted by: ... at October 04, 2022 03:23 PM (PgIwc)
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 04, 2022 03:23 PM (mE7cY)
I don't mind the dress, its kind of pretty. Too high cut for her age, and it looks like she picked out her shoes in the dark, but the pattern is fine to me.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 04, 2022 03:24 PM (Ivdso)
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at October 04, 2022 03:24 PM (ppBhU)
Posted by: Eli Cash at October 04, 2022 03:24 PM (9r4oT)
Posted by: Elric Blade
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The money goes because some areas have predictable flooding and people are allowed to build again on that property. Some people have gotten 4-5 payouts and rebuilt each time. So, the flood program still requires a government subsidy to remain solvent--if the true cost of flood insurance was charged, a lot of people will have to relocate from river and stream locations which is kind of impractical if it is a city or small town. So, like crop insurance, mass transit fares, postage, etc., the rates are determined as much by political pressure as they are by economics.
Posted by: whig at October 04, 2022 03:24 PM (CXr4y)
Posted by: SmartAlecK at October 04, 2022 03:24 PM (cMlC1)
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at October 04, 2022 03:24 PM (lz5hY)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for the Invisible Man with Dracula and Frankenstein's monster at October 04, 2022
it's required by federal law on all mortgages for houses in flood zones
Posted by: x at October 04, 2022 03:21 PM (ZC2go)
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Yeah, people act like most people go without flood insurance. If you live in a flood zone as defined by the federal government's maps, you pay the flood insurance, unless you own the house outright (you can still keep that insurance, of course, it's just no longer required).
Living in coastal South Carolina, I have all kinds of insurance on the house. I actually don't have hurricane insurance, though. It's not required living as far inland as I do (the dividing line is Highway 17 in the Charleston are, pretty much).
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for the Invisible Man with Dracula and Frankenstein's monster at October 04, 2022 03:24 PM (LvTSG)
We pay for a lot of other people's bad decisions. We don't live in a textbook. Why should we only be paying for SOME people's bad decisions but if disaster strikes you're on your own? Seems weird.
Posted by: ... at October 04, 2022 03:19 PM (PgIwc)
Moral hazard. Cost-shifting encourages bad decision-making.
Frankly most natural disasters are handleable at the state level. Maybe if half a state gets wrecked and we need to mass migrate hundreds of thousands or millions of people on a permanent basis there is a federal issue.
Posted by: Someguy's at October 04, 2022 03:24 PM (VPWcH)
Posted by: Dem Voter at October 04, 2022 03:24 PM (fs1hN)
Where's the bearded lady??
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 04, 2022 03:23 PM (mE7cY)
Secretary of the Navy.
Posted by: Napoleon XIV at October 04, 2022 03:24 PM (AiZBA)
Where's the bearded lady??
Sorry, Big Mike shaved today.......
Posted by: Ferd Berfall at October 04, 2022 03:24 PM (Js3tc)
What shit is considered "shit happens" and therefore is deserving of help? Or do you just go "every man for himself, fuck you, I got mine".
Posted by: ... at October 04, 2022 03:15 PM (PgIwc)
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You are missing the point. It's not that no help should be given. It's that insurance and other "help" should be priced according to the risk of the situation, whatever it is. If the property is at higher risk, then that risk should be reflected in the cost of insurance, etc. That is true for virtually all other kinds of insurance. I drive an expensive sports car and pay insurance accordingly. I don't expect a families across the country to subsidize my choices.
Posted by: Elric Blade at October 04, 2022 03:25 PM (iFTx/)
Posted by: ...
Wut?
Posted by: Welfare and Bailouts at October 04, 2022 03:25 PM (WmGrA)
I suppose in that case, one could pass an amendment allowing assistance.
Posted by: Archimedes at October 04, 2022 03:23 PM (ayzS/)
That's literally my point. I just want to know what the thresholds are since there is elevated risk of something almost everywhere one lives and as I said, shit happens.
I think this idea that someone bought their ticket and knew what they were getting into, let em crash, is a kind of strange inverted idealism.
Posted by: ... at October 04, 2022 03:25 PM (PgIwc)
so the affordable housing folks have come to my small town and bought a huge white elephant for a milion
and the redo is estimated at 5.3 million
so 6.3 million, at a bare minimum, for 11 affordable apartments
the definition of nutz
Posted by: REDACTED at October 04, 2022 03:25 PM (us2H3)
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 04, 2022 03:20 PM (dS9wL)
.........
South Park
https://tinyurl.com/5n9xey5r
Posted by: wth at October 04, 2022 03:26 PM (v0R5T)
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 04, 2022 03:26 PM (mE7cY)
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at October 04, 2022 03:24 PM (ppBhU)
That's hot.
Cut off EBT cards.
THAT'S the spark, baby.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at October 04, 2022 03:26 PM (ufFY8)
Where's the bearded lady??
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 04, 2022 03:23 PM (mE7cY)
Secretary of the Navy.
Posted by: Napoleon XIV at October 04, 2022 03:24 PM (AiZBA
This guy gets it.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 04, 2022 03:26 PM (mE7cY)
Posted by: Dr. Bone at October 04, 2022 03:26 PM (z+OQR)
Posted by: Puddleglum at October 04, 2022 03:27 PM (sAmhv)
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at October 04, 2022 03:27 PM (UuD2k)
Posted by: CA Token at October 04, 2022 03:27 PM (OtL8F)
Yes; Not debating seems to be the Democrat theme for this cycle. It's too bad.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 04, 2022 03:28 PM (vH/6k)
Help can always be given. What it can’t be is required. Requiring help means more deaths from choices that would otherwise be made differently.
Sure, mandatory aid can pay for destroyed homes and even for injuries. But it still can’t bring anyone back from the dead.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at October 04, 2022 03:28 PM (U+Oxn)
KJP: What the PINO meant to say was Fidel was a great baseball player and was cut from a team for racism. Thus he turned against the white man to become a Progressive.
Posted by: Ferd Berfall at October 04, 2022 03:28 PM (Js3tc)
so 6.3 million, at a bare minimum, for 11 affordable apartments
the definition of nutz
Say what?
Posted by: The politically connected developer building the apartments at October 04, 2022 03:28 PM (ESjRY)
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at October 04, 2022 03:28 PM (bVYXr)
that is SO Delaware
*apologies to First State Morons who in any case would not wear coral color espadrilles with that slipcover-theme dress*
Posted by: kallisto at October 04, 2022 03:20 PM (dCxaZ)
Now here is a good example of the difference between 'rons and 'ettes. I would say those things are orange not coral, and I have no idea what an espadrille is. I feel like a complete dullard.
Posted by: Gref at October 04, 2022 03:28 PM (AMIL/)
6th property insurer in Florida declared insolvent. FedNat Insurance Co. previously canceled 56,500 policies in May, transferred another 83K in June.
In part, when property insurers become insolvent, the non-profit Florida Insurance Guaranty Association typically steps in to pay claims.
Posted by: Lola at October 04, 2022 03:28 PM (NIYa7)
Posted by: Elric Blade at October 04, 2022 03:25 PM (iFTx/)
I'm mostly with you, I just don't think it's realistic.
I would prefer to live in a country where help is given charitably rather than at the barrel of a gun. But the absolutes you are speaking in leave me cold, if only because they are totally divorced from the unfortunate reality we actually live in.
Posted by: ... at October 04, 2022 03:28 PM (PgIwc)
Why not more? Because my parents had too much pride and considered it shameful and immoral to take government payouts even though we totally qualified. I think the most money my dad ever made a year was around $28,000.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 04, 2022 03:29 PM (Ivdso)
It might have some draw backs though.
Posted by: The dinosaurs at October 04, 2022 03:29 PM (ESjRY)
That's literally my point. I just want to know what the thresholds are since there is elevated risk of something almost everywhere one lives and as I said, shit happens.
I think this idea that someone bought their ticket and knew what they were getting into, let em crash, is a kind of strange inverted idealism.
But you fail to acknowledge the difference between living on earth, which is not a choice, and living in a particular location. The latter has no threshold, because it's not my problem. I didn't get the benefit of living wherever you chose to, so why am I on the hook for the costs?
Posted by: Archimedes at October 04, 2022 03:29 PM (ayzS/)
Posted by: 18-1 at October 04, 2022 03:21 PM (ESjRY)
--------
Including bailing out Auto Companies, Big Banks, and other flavored Special Interest "Too Big To Fail 'Disasters'" and subsidizing Big Tech, Big Pharma/Health, Big Green, et. al.
It's almost like we've be become a Third-World Oligarchic Banana Republic ... or something.
Posted by: ShainS -- Triple-Jabbed & Quad-Boosted with the Biden Hurricane-22 Vaccine at October 04, 2022 03:29 PM (Y2/Oh)
Posted by: sniffybigtoe
How do you collect that pay if you're smeared across two zip codes?
Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 04, 2022 03:30 PM (IyrhE)
I think women just invent words for colors and shoes, then dare us to call them on it.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 04, 2022 03:30 PM (Ivdso)
Posted by: Mentholated Smooth-Drawing gp at October 04, 2022 03:21 PM (24fqN)
I spend thousands on insurance every year. It goes into a risk pool. Personally, I can't remember the last time I filed a claim, but I expect the insurance provider to provide the coverage I've been paying for just as it does for any other insured party.
Whether I have a policy with your insurer or not is immaterial to the disagreement. The concept of risk management and the associated price we pay for applies to us all, and I am not free to determine who gets a claim paid and who doesn't.
Posted by: CZ=FNG, Free Republic of Florida at October 04, 2022 03:30 PM (MkuC5)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
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It is not cheap. I don't live in a flood zone but there are some nearby. A few years ago, this area suffered a 500 year flood event as we received 16 inches of rain (not from a hurricane but a stalled front) in roughly 8-9 hours. My wife and I were out diverting streams away from the house in the rain while suffering from the flu. We got a trickle was all. Since then, I have revamped the yard and landscaping of the house to include berms, soaker areas, piping, drywells, etc. to avoid that situation again.
I looked into flood insurance as a rider and it was much more expensive over time than simply redoing the yard and installing drainage/water removal systems.
Posted by: whig at October 04, 2022 03:30 PM (CXr4y)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 04, 2022 03:30 PM (IyrhE)
Insurance.
ROFL
Posted by: CZ=FNG, Free Republic of Florida at October 04, 2022 03:31 PM (MkuC5)
Makes me sick !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Ferd Berfall at October 04, 2022 03:31 PM (Js3tc)
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at October 04, 2022 03:31 PM (u4CEu)
Posted by: screaming in digital at October 04, 2022 03:31 PM (1g34h)
Well, pretty sure mandatory aid isn’t going to help you at that point, either…
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at October 04, 2022 03:31 PM (U+Oxn)
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at October 04, 2022 03:27 PM (UuD2k)
BEST comment EVER! lololol
Posted by: Peaches at October 04, 2022 03:31 PM (14URa)
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 04, 2022 03:31 PM (dS9wL)
Posted by: Lola
__________________
At 100%? Usually when the state has to step in it's at a cut rate.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at October 04, 2022 03:31 PM (SIZS3)
I said orange and I have no idea what type of shoe an espadrille is except that if that what she's wearing, it's an open toed shoe with a chunky sole.
Last time I checked I am a woman. I just have about two pairs of shoes and some sneakers.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 04, 2022 03:32 PM (vH/6k)
It was like 5 bucks a month here when I last checked into it but that was in the 90s so, who knows now. It would take a very long time to be more costly than renovating your yard and drainage at that rate. But I guess eventually a single cost is always eventually going to be more than an ongoing one.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 04, 2022 03:32 PM (Ivdso)
Posted by: Gref at October 04, 2022 03:28 PM (AMIL/)
Mr. Blandings Builds His Dream House - room colors.
https://tinyurl.com/5e9urfkx
Posted by: Napoleon XIV at October 04, 2022 03:32 PM (AiZBA)
Posted by: Dem Voter at October 04, 2022 03:24 PM (fs1hN)
.........
Jim (my brother)... is that you?
Posted by: wth at October 04, 2022 03:32 PM (v0R5T)
Posted by: Mentholated Smooth-Drawing gp at October 04, 2022 03:33 PM (24fqN)
That's why I've given up on personal responsibility and market distortion arguments entirely. In the political reality we are living in, they always amount to: hey middle class person, fuck yourself with a potato masher. Meanwhile, the "poor" live off me, and the wealthy are effectively insured by me. No, no, no. Do not talk to me about fiscal sanity or my responsibilities.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at October 04, 2022 03:33 PM (ppBhU)
Of course it's material. If a company overpays on its claims, then they go out of business. If they underpay, people leave them and go with companies that honor their commitments. That's why we have different insurance companies.
Posted by: Archimedes at October 04, 2022 03:33 PM (ayzS/)
Posted by: wth at October 04, 2022 03:33 PM (v0R5T)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
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Rates vary by annual precipitation rates among other things. I live in a relatively high precip area where our annual rainfall in a drought exceeds a lot of other places regular precipitation.
Posted by: whig at October 04, 2022 03:34 PM (CXr4y)
The level of risk is what the owner is willing to take. Or it should be. Not what is dictated by some gvt entity.
Posted by: AK at work at October 04, 2022 03:34 PM (o+IHV)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 04, 2022 03:30 PM (Ivdso
Nah. It would be funnier if we made up names. Jill's shoes:
Juntadrilles.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 04, 2022 03:34 PM (vH/6k)
Posted by: whig at October 04, 2022 03:30 PM (CXr4y)
The house we moved from had a sump pump that failed. First big rain, water was pouring in over the crawl space vents from the high side of the property, which was all swampy to begin with.
I was out digging, diverting, redirecting, and cleaning out storm drains in the rain. I spent the next ten years doing the same as you, perfecting the storm drainage and runoff into the storm drains.
Posted by: Comrade flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur at October 04, 2022 03:34 PM (yHsuS)
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 04, 2022
***
"Lobster Espadrille" keeps running through my mind.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, dreaming of Elsewhere at October 04, 2022 03:35 PM (J2vNu)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 04, 2022 03:35 PM (vH/6k)
Posted by: REDACTED at October 04, 2022 03:35 PM (us2H3)
Posted by: tsj017 at October 04, 2022 03:35 PM (YcOm1)
But...but....but...I LIKE living at the beach. I just can't afford it. It's not FAIRRRRR!!!
Posted by: Insolvent homeowner on a sandbar at October 04, 2022 03:35 PM (ayzS/)
Posted by: Mentholated Smooth-Drawing gp at October 04, 2022 03:33 PM (24fqN)
Yeah it's not obvious why this needs to be laundered by the federal government. If all states have natural disasters with some degree of regularity, why would it need to be federalized? The costs are then somewhat predictable and manageable.
Posted by: Someguy's at October 04, 2022 03:35 PM (VPWcH)
Posted by: Archimedes at October 04, 2022 03:29 PM (ayzS/)
As we've established, some disasters are more predictable than others. As I've said I'm mostly with you and Elric in general sentiment, I just don't think it's all that attached to reality. My tax dollars pay for more stupid shit than I could ever name, and plenty of disasters are not the result of a "bad decision".
Posted by: ... at October 04, 2022 03:35 PM (PgIwc)
These people are garbage.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at October 04, 2022 03:35 PM (CwQXo)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 04, 2022 03:36 PM (Ivdso)
Posted by: Chuck Martel at October 04, 2022 03:36 PM (fs1hN)
America has so thoroughly internalized the "electricity" of huge amounts of money floating around between DC and the various states, that cutting it all off would make the nation unlivable. All noble principles and theories to the side (however correct they may be), it would be cataclysmic to change America into being a free, ordered republic overnight. Literally, Revolutionary. We're just not set up for it anymore, not culturally, not financially, not at all. Maybe it does happen and we won't have any choice in the matter, and maybe life will be better off after everything's shook down and re-established itself for a "post-electricity" world... but it wouldn't be pretty or fun.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 04, 2022 03:36 PM (6FeV1)
Posted by: Elric Blade at October 04, 2022 03:25 PM (iFTx/)
And what exactly makes you think the same process isn't at work for homeowners impacted by Ian?
Posted by: CZ=FNG, Free Republic of Florida at October 04, 2022 03:37 PM (MkuC5)
It was like 5 bucks a month here when I last checked into it but that was in the 90s so, who knows now. It would take a very long time to be more costly than renovating your yard and drainage at that rate. But I guess eventually a single cost is always eventually going to be more than an ongoing one.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 04, 2022 03:32 PM (Ivdso)
Never had a flood myself, but after helping clean up the mess at my job? Avoiding a flood event is worth 10X more than any insurance pay out!
Posted by: rd at October 04, 2022 03:37 PM (Z32m1)
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at October 04, 2022 03:33 PM (ppBhU)
Bingo bango bongo bingo
Posted by: ... at October 04, 2022 03:37 PM (PgIwc)
I was addressing that argument to those who think fed disaster bailouts are The American Way, and/or those who keep asking what is the risk level of any particular place.
Posted by: Mentholated Smooth-Drawing gp at October 04, 2022 03:37 PM (24fqN)
I understand, but that's a political argument, not a "what should we do" argument.
Posted by: Archimedes at October 04, 2022 03:38 PM (ayzS/)
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at October 04, 2022 03:38 PM (Y5qcH)
Posted by: Skip's phone at October 04, 2022 03:38 PM (xhxe8)
https://tinyurl.com/5n75f9b7
Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 04, 2022 02:52 PM (BTIKu)
I hadn't seen that article before. Lovely scalpel work on the part of Ms. Devine.
Posted by: kathysaysso at October 04, 2022 03:38 PM (m78jL)
One of Hunter's used condoms and a rock of crack cocaine. Hunter is like a squirrel.
Posted by: Dr. Bone at October 04, 2022 03:39 PM (z+OQR)
Because the Feds got involved and whenever they do, the rot creeps in.
Posted by: AK at work at October 04, 2022 03:39 PM (o+IHV)
Posted by: REDACTED at October 04, 2022 03:39 PM (us2H3)
Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at October 04, 2022 03:39 PM (yikp0)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
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Most of the changes are actually pretty cheap and my wife and I did most of it ourselves. Same for a lot of houses in flat areas before the flood insurance program existed. They raised up the house with crawlspaces and used grading to direct water away from the houses or barns. Some even figured that the first floor was at risk from flooding even with a crawlspace and used appropriate construction to minimize cleaning and mold from them.
Posted by: whig at October 04, 2022 03:39 PM (CXr4y)
Juntadrilles.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 04, 2022 03:34 PM (vH/6k)
........
They don't look comfortable at all. She should invest in a pair of My Sandals.
Posted by: wth at October 04, 2022 03:40 PM (v0R5T)
"I understand, but that's a political argument, not a "what should we do" argument."
That's a "two wrongs make a right" argument.
Posted by: Mentholated Smooth-Drawing gp at October 04, 2022 03:40 PM (24fqN)
If the money collected from FL homeowners reflected the costs of ownership there, then FL wouldn't need to ask the Feds for money.
Posted by: Archimedes at October 04, 2022 03:40 PM (ayzS/)
Every new government agency not only saps money, but urgency from charitable giving. Why give to a charity, even a really good one (a few are out there), if you're already giving to the government to do it? Its covered, sorry.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 04, 2022 03:41 PM (Ivdso)
needs to go somewhere they close at 4 am
Posted by: REDACTED at October 04, 2022 03:41 PM (us2H3)
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at October 04, 2022 03:41 PM (Y5qcH)
Posted by: andycanuck
Hopefully they don't.
Posted by: rickb223 Cruel ace is the best ace at October 04, 2022 03:43 PM (AXL3t)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 04, 2022 03:43 PM (IyrhE)
But the ocean is just "that's pretty" for a few minutes then I get tired of waves crashing every couple seconds and seagulls.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 04, 2022 03:43 PM (Ivdso)
If a meteor hits that smears people across two zip codes, this is going to be a major disaster of unprecedented level, probably affecting climate worldwide for decades, as well as the ability to live in the several states around the impact zone.
If a meteor hits that smears people across two states (barring hitting right at the border), I suspect it’s game over for humans throughout the world.
I don’t know, though. What’s the biggest impact we know of in the history of life on Earth?
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at October 04, 2022 03:44 PM (U+Oxn)
FUCK NO! Suck a greasy turd out of my asshole RNC.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at October 04, 2022 03:44 PM (u4CEu)
Posted by: Count de Monet at October 04, 2022 03:44 PM (4I/2K)
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at October 04, 2022 03:41 PM (Y5qcH)
I thought of the chrome robot from Logan's Run- and Jenny Agutter's boobs.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at October 04, 2022 03:44 PM (CwQXo)
Posted by: Mentholated Smooth-Drawing gp at October 04, 2022 03:40 PM (24fqN)
Not even remotely. I will accept the argument that there's shouldn't be government help for hard working people getting dicked by disasters when we get rid of the help for all the other shit. Otherwise it's just a lot of Tough Talk and textbook sentiment. Why should they be the first to get the axe but the banks and welfare loafers are still protected?
Posted by: ... at October 04, 2022 03:44 PM (RZ+ob)
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at October 04, 2022 03:45 PM (BIKbQ)
Posted by: wth at October 04, 2022 03:45 PM (v0R5T)
More of previously cited article: FIGA already is using money from assessments of 1.3 percent and 0.7 percent to pay costs related to other insolvencies. Its board last month approved a plan to borrow $150 million, with the debt financed by extending the 0.7 percent assessment through 2023.
Posted by: Lola at October 04, 2022 03:45 PM (NIYa7)
It really isn't. It's a "one set of rules for everyone or no rules" argument.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at October 04, 2022 03:46 PM (ppBhU)
Posted by: Weak Geek at October 04, 2022 03:46 PM (Om/di)
But the ocean is just "that's pretty" for a few minutes then I get tired of waves crashing every couple seconds and seagulls.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 04, 2022 03:43 PM (Ivdso)
__________
Plus asshole boaters and Cap'n Bill's Seafood Restaurant
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 04, 2022 03:46 PM (1Nxff)
I thought of Box. Not Jenny Agutter's, the robot.
Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at October 04, 2022 03:47 PM (qvpzJ)
Posted by: Comrade flounder
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That would do it. Unfortunately in this day and age, a lot of people regard houses, cars, etc. as throwaway purchases and construction and car reliability today shows it.
Posted by: whig at October 04, 2022 03:47 PM (CXr4y)
needs to go somewhere they close at 4 am
Posted by: REDACTED at October 04, 2022 03:41 PM (us2H3)
........
but then it's only a couple hours until sunrise and you're really in trouble.
Posted by: wth at October 04, 2022 03:47 PM (v0R5T)
It is just tough talk because noone wants their piece of pie taken. Doesn't mean that everyone's piece of pie shouldn't be taken. It wasn't theirs in the first place.
I'm waiting for the pendulum to swing back with a vengeance.
Posted by: AK at work at October 04, 2022 03:48 PM (o+IHV)
Posted by: Elric Blade at October 04, 2022 03:25 PM (iFTx/)
And what exactly makes you think the same process isn't at work for homeowners impacted by Ian?
Posted by: CZ=FNG, Free Republic of Florida at October 04, 2022 03:37 PM (MkuC5)
________________________
Because I'm paying tens of thousands a year for flood insurance for property in no risk of being flooded. My premiums are being used to subsidize properties that are in risk of being flooded.
Posted by: Elric Blade at October 04, 2022 03:48 PM (iFTx/)
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair
----------------
It is believed that some third body hit the earth early in the solar system development and the part of the resulting debris created the moon. Given the sample of moons in our solar system, the Moon is unusually large and close given the size of Earth.
Posted by: whig at October 04, 2022 03:49 PM (CXr4y)
If people can't (won't) pay the insurance, they don't deserve to own a home.
Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at October 04, 2022 03:52 PM (BdMk6)
Posted by: Elric Blade
------------------------
Hate to tell you but if you are paying flood insurance, the usual is based on at least one flood in every hundred years--but the odds are the same from year to year whether it will be THIS year. Development in a watershed including commercial runoff due to large impermeably roads, parking lots, etc. also figures into it with the maps be redrawn in hindsight. After the 500 year flood occurred in my county, all of the maps were redrawn to reflect new areas of flooding so some people had to buy flood insurance that were previously not in a flood plain.
Posted by: whig at October 04, 2022 03:53 PM (CXr4y)
It's amazing how many people who claim to be conservatives can't see the problem with this model, and allowing politicians to use it.
Posted by: Archimedes at October 04, 2022 03:18 PM (ayzS/)
Not related to FEMA but I thought this same thing when my Senator (D) sent an email lauding all the wonderful things he'd done. Passing a bill to subsidize some green home renovation crap, etc. All I could think was - STOP spending my money!! For all the money that goes to run the stupid program just to give a household $500 - there's so much COST for your program that far outweighs any benefit.
We really need to outlaw government programs like this . Stop spending taxpayer money to influence behavior. Can we outlaw them all? Found a nonprofit (time limited) to solve the problem with NO government funding.
**steps carefully down from soap box.
Posted by: Iris at October 04, 2022 03:54 PM (NaH5I)
You're the 1st to ask. Themselves? The agency statement is: "The Federal Emergency Management Agency coordinates the federal government's role in preparing for, preventing, mitigating the effects of, responding to, and recovering from all domestic disasters, whether natural or man-made, including acts of terror."
Coordinates.
Posted by: Lola at October 04, 2022 04:00 PM (NIYa7)
And those flood plain lines are drawn by the fed gvt. And mandated by fed gvt. Who shouldn't be involved. It should be the owner's choice and responsiblility alone.
Posted by: AK at work at October 04, 2022 04:01 PM (o+IHV)
Posted by: SMOD at October 04, 2022 04:14 PM (RHGPo)
Posted by: AK at work
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Contractors generally do that and mapping and surveying has been a job of the fedgov since all the way back. G. Washington was a surveyor before becoming a soldier for the colony of VA.
When people get a federally guaranteed mortgage, they agree contractwise to be subject to federal flood program insurance. The nuclear power industry benefits from a long time limit on damage claims against the utility, Corp of Engineers enjoys sovereign immunity from being sued over water decisions including flooding one place to avoid it in another and so on.
We are dealing with a thicket of laws, policies, political interest, and so on and basically the only way to sort it out would be a hard crash to the system.
Posted by: whig at October 04, 2022 04:15 PM (CXr4y)
Posted by: SMOD
______________
Nonsense. He's a regular man of the people. He wears a hoodie!
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Milestone: Oliver Willis Posts 400th "Fake News Article" Referencing Britney Spears
Liberal Economists Rue a "New Decade of Greed"
Artificial Insouciance: Maureen Dowd's Word Processor Revolts Against Her Numbing Imbecility
Intelligence Officials Eye Blogs for Tips
They Done Found Us Out, Cletus: Intrepid Internet Detective Figures Out Our Master Plan
Shock: Josh Marshall Almost Mentions Sarin Discovery in Iraq
Leather-Clad Biker Freaks Terrorize Australian Town
When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool
What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means
Wonkette's Stand-Up Act
Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour
Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider
My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)