Nord Stream Pipelines 1 and 2, Which Carry Russian Natural Gas to Germany, Leaking Into the North Sea;<br><i>Sabotage Strongly Suspected</i>

Nord Stream Pipelines 1 and 2, Which Carry Russian Natural Gas to Germany, Leaking Into the North Sea;
Sabotage Strongly Suspected

Gas leaking into the North Sea.

This is going to get a little conspiratorial.

Two undersea pipelines crucial to delivering Russian natural gas to Germany were hit with mysterious leaks on Monday, prompting concerns of sabotage.
Why it matters: The Nord Stream 1 and 2 pipelines have been central to the energy crisis that has enveloped Europe in the wake of Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
While Nord Stream 2 hasn't entered commercial operation -- its certification was halted on the eve of the invasion -- Nord Stream 1 provided a crucial pathway for Russian gas to reach Europe until earlier this month, when Russia closed the pipeline citing maintenance concerns.
The big picture: Two leaks were detected in the Nord Stream 1 pipeline and one in the Nord Stream 2 pipeline. While neither pipe was operating at the time the leaks were discovered, both were filled with gas, Reuters reported.

Via the French outlet BFMTV, two underwater explosions were detected just before the leaks were sited. (My translation.)

Two underwater explosions detected before the Nord Stream leaks
Two underwater explosions "very likely due to detonations" have been recorded in proximity to the sites of the leaks of the pipelines Nord Stream 1 and 2 shortly before their detection, a Swedish seismic institute announced Tuesday.
A first "massive release of energy" of a magnitude 1.9 [Richter, I assume] was recorded in night between Sunday and Monday at 2:03 am local (12:03 am GMT) southwest of the Danish island of Bornholm, then another of magnitude 2.3 at 7:04 pm Monday night northeast of the island, Peter Schmidt of the National Swedish Seismology Network to the AFP. "We interpret it as most likely originating from a form of detonation," he said.

I'm a little unsure if they mean a deliberate detonation via explosive charges or the like, or maybe a detonation of the gas caused by, I don't know, a natural accident. There shouldn't be a lot of free oxygen down there so I don't know how an explosion would happen, even assuming something made a spark.

If these were planted charges, why did they go off so many hours apart? One went off early Monday morning at 2:03 am, the next went off Monday night at 7:04 pm. What kind of timing is that?

Was it not explosives at all? Was it just divers cutting into the pipelines with underwater torches, and the torches themselves provoked the explosions? That seems dangerous to the divers.

On the other hand, if this is all accidental and due to natural causes -- how did both pipes get ruptured?

Denmark's prime minister says it's "hard to imagine" that the ruptures are "accidental:"

Denmark's prime minister says it is "hard to imagine" that the leaks detected on Nord Stream 1 and 2 pipelines were "accidental." pic.twitter.com/MSAxf7xq3X
— DW News (@dwnews) September 27, 2022

Assuming this was a deliberate detonation --

Why blow up a pipeline that wasn't delivering gas anyway, due to Putin's sanctions?

Maybe, some speculate, because there were protests in Germany demanding that the pipelines be reopened?

And the way to reopen the pipelines is to pressure European governments to start negotiating with Russia to end the war?

Thousands of people in Germany protest against Olaf Scholz's government, the high energy prices and the sanctions on Russia. They demand reopening of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline. These protests are largely censored by the corporate media. #NordStream2 pic.twitter.com/J0My22wqY2
— Frank Hoogerbeets (@hobeets) September 27, 2022

A protest was held in Lubmin, Germany yesterday.

It’s the location where Nord Stream 2 reaches German land.

Russian Germans and their supporters demanded the pipeline to be opened.

3 Ukrainian women showed up to counter-protest and were attacked.

pic.twitter.com/sEoNgDVjHw
— Visegrád 24 (@visegrad24) September 26, 2022

As you can see, Ukrainians don't want the pipeline reopened.

And Biden previously vowed, back in February, that "there will no longer be a Nord Stream 2" if Russia invades Ukraine.

Pres. Biden: "If Russia invades...then there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it."

Reporter: "But how will you do that, exactly, since...the project is in Germany's control?"

Biden: "I promise you, we will be able to do that." https://t.co/uruQ4F4zM9 pic.twitter.com/4ksDaaU0YC
— ABC News (@ABC) February 7, 2022

I don't know if I'd put any stock in what that demented fool says. He does not speak for the US government nor make US policy, as the US government informs us weekly.

Darren J. Beattie is blaming the US, "or its proxies:"

Darren J. Beattie
@DarrenJBeattie
Before yesterday, the only impediment to Germany receiving Russian gas from Nordstream 2 was political--Scholz wouldn't allow it
Germans demonstrated demanding the pipeline open
Now that USA (or its proxies) destroyed the pipeline, Germany is fucked
...
USA sabotaged major gas pipeline from Russia to Germany, and Germany isn't going to do shit about it
Germany is not a sovereign country.
...
Champagne bottles popping at Atlantic Council right now

Yeah I don't know about that. Something really risky like this would only be done by the people with the greatest stake in the outcome -- that is, the Ukranians themselves.

But who knows if they had some unofficial help from former CIA people working for one of the many well-funded private intelligence agencies based in DC.

For their part, Ukraine is blaming... Russia.

This is the "Adviser to the Head of the Office of President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelenskyy."

@Podolyak_M
"Gas leak" from NS-1 is nothing more that a terrorist attack planned by Russia and an act of aggression towards EU. Russia wants to destabilize economic situation in Europe and cause pre-winter panic. The best response and security investment -- tanks for Ukraine. Especially German ones...

That seems suspicious.

But maybe, who knows, maybe it was Russia. They are sneaky sons-of-bitches, and the war has been going badly for them.

And just because there have been protests to turn the Nord Stream pipe on -- we have no idea how extensive those protests were, or if they had any chance at all of pressuring the German government.

And those protests could be, legitimately, RUSSIAN DISINFORMATION. Russia pulls a lot of operations with respect to energy -- after all, they fund the anti-fracking movement in the US. I imagine they have similar operations in Germany.

And this is a possibly War-Ending move if it's Ukraine -- this would lose them Europe. Would they do this, based on the iffy premise that a few protests might push the German government to reduce its support of Ukraine? They still have the big guns, the UK and US.

I don't want to be played by Ukraine, but I also don't want my not-wanting-to-be-played-by-Ukraine to make me open to being played by Russia, either.

Posted by: Ace at 12:00 PM

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1 That image looks really photoshoppy

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 27, 2022 12:00 PM (Ivdso)

2 Good Morning Ace.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 27, 2022 12:01 PM (Y+l9t)

3 3 Explosions.

No, the NG did not cause it. There is no air underwater.

Posted by: rd at September 27, 2022 12:01 PM (Z32m1)

4 top 10

Posted by: SturmToddler at September 27, 2022 12:02 PM (WhsXQ)

5 Congratulations Europe! You are one step closer to being carbon free!

Posted by: 2009Refugee at September 27, 2022 12:04 PM (3d5FD)

6 I do not know what to believe any more and I think that is the goal.

Posted by: Czech Chick at September 27, 2022 12:04 PM (haWye)

7 This is the M.O. of Emilio Largo of SPECTRE. Got his fingerprints all over it.

Posted by: gp's Dark Energy Acceleration at September 27, 2022 12:04 PM (24fqN)

8 No, the NG did not cause it. There is no air underwater.
Posted by: rd

Don't need air. Pressure will do it.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 27, 2022 12:04 PM (IyrhE)

9 My bet is on the Greens/WEF. Their motto is "Let the peasants freeze"

Posted by: Chuck C at September 27, 2022 12:04 PM (xttsV)

10 Half of refineries in France are shutdown due to strikes.

Big pain is coming to Europe.

Oh and speaking of big pain, Bill Gates says CW2 is coming and will end it all.

Posted by: I've got bad news for you at September 27, 2022 12:05 PM (GSYnl)

11 Interesting that this follows the article that JJ had this morning about the Israelis moving aggressively forward with their European pipeline. I was totally pissed when Biden kayoed what should have been a no brainer to support Israel versus Russia. But then this entire administration has done nothing but decrease accessibility to fossil fuels and lower the standard of living for the entire Western World.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 27, 2022 12:05 PM (Y+l9t)

12 Kate at Small Dead Animals has more information.

https://tinyurl.com/mpr7zrvw

Posted by: rd at September 27, 2022 12:05 PM (Z32m1)

13 Gas is icky anyway.. Let's just turn on Our solar and Our windmills !

Posted by: Greenies at September 27, 2022 12:05 PM (bs+z0)

14 "or maybe a detonation of the gas caused by, I don't know, a natural accident."

Russian quality control.

Posted by: Braenyard's phone at September 27, 2022 12:05 PM (xj2l7)

15 When I go swimming after a baked bean dinner the water often looks like that. It helps heat the pool.

Posted by: Leaky Leahy at September 27, 2022 12:06 PM (l3SW6)

16 It's Raiga, The Monster from the Deep Sea.

Posted by: fd at September 27, 2022 12:06 PM (sn5EN)

17 Good afternoon everyone.

Posted by: Tonypete at September 27, 2022 12:06 PM (LsEU/)

18 Putin may have done it to remove any incentive to coup him and restore gas shipments

Posted by: Blue Falcon at September 27, 2022 12:07 PM (BJH2j)

19 This portion of today's blog brought to you by the Langley, Va. Chamber of Commerce

Posted by: Jamaica NYC at September 27, 2022 12:07 PM (tdAgY)

20 Things are escalating on schedule. You guys are gonna love October. Bring sunglasses.

Posted by: gp's Dark Energy Acceleration at September 27, 2022 12:07 PM (24fqN)

21 >>>Via the French outlet BFMTV, two underwater explosions were detected just before the leaks were sited.

"Sited," as in located, or "sighted," as in perceived with the eyes. Just wondering.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur at September 27, 2022 12:07 PM (yHsuS)

22 We will find the white supremacists who did this. We'll start the search with anyone who hasn't gotten 4 booster shots, then case the old folks homes.

Posted by: FIB agent Brandon at September 27, 2022 12:07 PM (KrErK)

23 Wondering if it's Ukraine or Russia. Russia would love the see Germany die this winter, and obviously Ukraine doesn't want Russia to get paid for distributing oil.

America is a third world country, but even I don't think they would do that. And I am really not a fan of America anymore.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 27, 2022 12:07 PM (d2bW3)

24 Interesting that this follows the article that JJ had this morning about the Israelis moving aggressively forward with their European pipeline. I was totally pissed when Biden kayoed what should have been a no brainer to support Israel versus Russia. But then this entire administration has done nothing but decrease accessibility to fossil fuels and lower the standard of living for the entire Western World.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 27, 2022 12:05 PM (Y+l9t)

F. Joe Biden has halted every pipeline EXCEPT ONE!

Tapioca Joe removed the Trump Sanctions on Nordstream 2 to allow Russia and Gazprom to complete Nordstream 2.

Posted by: rd at September 27, 2022 12:08 PM (Z32m1)

25 https://tinyurl.com/2p8747ap

Moon of Alabama is the best source for Ukrainian war info.

==
Poland’s top politician said Thursday that the government will seek equivalent of some $1.3 trillion in reparations from Germany for the Nazis’ World War II invasion and occupation of his country.
==

Article suggests the Poles probably sponsored the operation.

Posted by: You Really Don't Want to Know at September 27, 2022 12:08 PM (5Qjf9)

26 i'm going with sabotage, and i'd put even money on someone in DC being behind it.

Posted by: SturmToddler at September 27, 2022 12:08 PM (WhsXQ)

27 Biden made the threat. The pipeline got bombed. Ergo, he is responsible.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 27, 2022 12:08 PM (kHUzq)

28 Ukies wouldn't have the resources for something like this. Seems more like an underwater drone, or...well there are other options that don't involve direct human involvement, but it's probably a moot point anyway.

Bottom line, only a handful of potential actors have the capability to sabotage in that location.

US government--military or intel--is prime suspect.

Posted by: Brother Tim, still the worst commenter on the blog at September 27, 2022 12:09 PM (OUMaO)

29 Dammit, talking to myself downstairs again.

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at September 27, 2022 12:09 PM (906pl)

30 I'm asking all patriotic Americans to stop shopping at Nord Stream, there are plenty of places to buy shoes and girl's panties, stop helping Putin!!

Posted by: President Joe Biden at September 27, 2022 12:09 PM (ANH3w)

31 America is a third world country, but even I don't think they would do that. And I am really not a fan of America anymore.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 27, 2022 12:07 PM (d2bW3)

Not Biden's version of America

Posted by: It's me donna at September 27, 2022 12:09 PM (bs+z0)

32 So this means Germany needs more US LNG shipped over, right? Could that be a motive?

Posted by: gp's Dark Energy Acceleration at September 27, 2022 12:09 PM (24fqN)

33 This is what it looks like when Krakens fart.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 27, 2022 12:10 PM (up/3i)

34 OT, WTF? You have to make an appt to renew your driver license here. On hold for 15min and their first available is Oct. 27. Bday is next week.

Posted by: Infidel at September 27, 2022 12:10 PM (+J0HH)

35 At least the CIA can still pull something off.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at September 27, 2022 12:10 PM (yQpMk)

36 >>>Not Biden's version of America

Posted by: It's me donna

He's obviously capable of anything, but I don't know how this makes sense for the U.S. Yes, i understand he is mentally incapacitated, but this is insane.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 27, 2022 12:10 PM (d2bW3)

37 "Via the French outlet BFMTV, two underwater explosions were detected just before the leaks were sited.

"Sited," as in located, or "sighted," as in perceived with the eyes. Just wondering."

If you are siteing a French TV station, it may just be a translation error.

Posted by: fd at September 27, 2022 12:11 PM (sn5EN)

38 Gas prices in October are gonna be lit.

Posted by: garrett at September 27, 2022 12:11 PM (kE7ZK)

39 27 Biden made the threat. The pipeline got bombed. Ergo, he is responsible.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 27, 2022 12:08 PM (kHUzq)

Biden takes responsibility for *nothing*. Even Jug Ears was more responsible.

Posted by: You Really Don't Want to Know at September 27, 2022 12:11 PM (5Qjf9)

40 Posted by: Infidel at September 27, 2022 12:10 PM (+J0HH)

I did it on line in CA.

Posted by: It's me donna at September 27, 2022 12:11 PM (bs+z0)

41 On the other hand, if this is all accidental and due to natural causes -- how did both pipes get ruptured?

You mean three out of the four pipes. And who screwed up the last one?

Posted by: t-bird at September 27, 2022 12:11 PM (Sv58p)

42 Of course the Germans will blame the Americans while at the same time demanding America safeguard them with military power.

As for the time difference? Achmed the Clockmaker had just one job?

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 27, 2022 12:11 PM (Syqns)

43 This is going to get a little conspiratorial.

------

I smell Navy SEALs.

Out: The Terminal List.
In: The Terminal Twist.

Posted by: ShainS -- Go Galt or Go Rome at September 27, 2022 12:11 PM (ylLOx)

44 Light a match

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 27, 2022 12:11 PM (63Dwl)

45 What a coinkydink!

Posted by: BacktoGA at September 27, 2022 12:12 PM (MPYWI)

46 "Something really risky like this would only be done by the people with the greatest stake in the outcome -- that is, the Ukrainians themselves."

I wouldn't be so sure. Ukraine has been a locus for all kinds of corrupt Deep State activities, and unending war provides both the opportunity and the means to launder vast amounts of money.

Posted by: craig at September 27, 2022 12:12 PM (iblX1)

47 How else do you think Sid Vicious (and friends) is going to get a 10% of the Ukraine-Russian War funds for the Global Clinton Foundation if there is no war?

Of course it was a "private intelligence company" that did this.

Forever Wars, coming to a continent near you.

Posted by: Scott_T at September 27, 2022 12:12 PM (2waQ7)

48 I'm a little unsure if they mean a deliberate detonation via explosive charges or the like, or maybe a detonation of the gas caused by, I don't know, a natural accident.

------

Where did they drop Bin Laden's body?

Posted by: ShainS -- Go Galt or Go Rome at September 27, 2022 12:12 PM (ylLOx)

49 Not clear to me who benefits from this.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 27, 2022 12:13 PM (ZLI7S)

50 I did it on line in CA.
Posted by: It's me donna

It's been 10 years and I need an eye test. It's BS.

Posted by: Infidel at September 27, 2022 12:13 PM (+J0HH)

51 20 Things are escalating on schedule. You guys are gonna love October. Bring sunglasses.
Posted by: gp's Dark Energy Acceleration at September 27, 2022 12:07 PM (24fqN)

At least in the end, there will be only chaos. So I've heard, anyway.

Posted by: Thrawn at September 27, 2022 12:13 PM (Rl7KJ)

52 Interesting that the explosions were so large? 2.3 Magnitude on multiple seismic monitors.

If it was divers, IMO they would use a lot less explosives.
1.) Divers can get right up next to the pipeline to emplace the explosives.
2.) Hauling around hundreds or thousands of pounds of explosives by hand underwater is not easy.

Could the explosives have been emplaced by a ship?
Airplane?

Submarine? This method really limits the possible actors. Russia, US, Britain, France, Italy, Sweden, Norway, Germany (are any German subs even operational?), Poland, others?

Posted by: rd at September 27, 2022 12:13 PM (Z32m1)

53 >>I smell Navy SEALs.

Gas leakage. From Naval Officers. Confirmed.

Posted by: Don Lemon at September 27, 2022 12:13 PM (kE7ZK)

54 If this happened on land in Africa, the locals would be there with plastic garbage bags scavenging the gas.

Posted by: fd at September 27, 2022 12:13 PM (sn5EN)

55 "OT, WTF? You have to make an appt to renew your driver license here. On hold for 15min and their first available is Oct. 27. Bday is next week."

Took over 450 days for my CC renewal to arrive. We had to pass a law that says as long as we're waiting for a card, we're good, even if current card expires in interim. Escher just glanced at our state bureaucracy, called to say "man this is some twisted up mazey shit."

Posted by: gp's Dark Energy Acceleration at September 27, 2022 12:13 PM (24fqN)

56 On the other hand, if this is all accidental and due to natural causes -- how did both pipes get ruptured?

There are many things I don't know. For example, do both pipelines run from the same manifold, so that a pressure spike in one would also happen in the other?

Posted by: Archimedes at September 27, 2022 12:14 PM (ayzS/)

57 Two underwater explosions detected before the Nord Stream leaks

-------

Were the pipes Made in China?

Posted by: ShainS -- Go Galt or Go Rome at September 27, 2022 12:14 PM (ylLOx)

58 Why would a pipeline from Russia to Germany be in the North Sea?

Posted by: BignJames at September 27, 2022 12:15 PM (AwYPR)

59 Poland
Posted by: rd at September 27, 2022 12:13 PM (Z32m1)

https://tinyurl.com/2p8747ap

Posted by: You Really Don't Want to Know at September 27, 2022 12:15 PM (5Qjf9)

60 I'd look at who, especially in the American government stands to make bank over this shit show. It has the taint of something *biden would do to make some cash selling American gas to Europe at inflated prices while letting citizens here freeze.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 27, 2022 12:15 PM (BFigT)

61 The Forever Wars was Humans versus Taurans

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 27, 2022 12:15 PM (Syqns)

62
It's been 10 years and I need an eye test. It's BS.
Posted by: Infidel at September 27, 2022 12:13 PM (+J0HH)

They told me I need an eye test and new photo too.... I checked into the DMV website and filled out what I thought was pre registration and it let me renew... Got my license 2 weeks later... Husband did the same...

Posted by: It's me donna at September 27, 2022 12:15 PM (bs+z0)

63 >>>I'm a little unsure if they mean a deliberate detonation via explosive charges or the like, or maybe a detonation of the gas caused by, I don't know, a natural accident. There shouldn't be a lot of free oxygen down there so I don't know how an explosion would happen, even assuming something made a spark.

Someone cited in the art thread that the depth of around 225 feet, which is about 100 psi hydrostatic pressure on the outside of the pipeline. Even without gas flowing inside the piping or with a residual pressure less than normal operating pressure, I wouldn't necessarily expect 100 psi external to the pipeline to cause an implosion of the pipeline, absent some deterioration of the integrity of the piping, intentional or otherwise.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur at September 27, 2022 12:15 PM (yHsuS)

64 Biden takes responsibility for *nothing*. Even Jug Ears was more responsible.
Posted by: You Really Don't Want to Know at September 27, 2022 12:11 PM (5Qjf9)

He's not taking responsibility. He owns it. He is the one who put destruction of the pipeline on the table, thus giving plausible deniability to any other actor who might have an interest in causing mischief.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 27, 2022 12:15 PM (kHUzq)

65
Doubtful, if you ask me. Protests mean nothing. Our globalist regime will do as it sees fit without regard to popular opinion in any event, and nobody - nobody - takes Europeans seriously. Those people are fucking cattle and can always be safely ignored when they start mooing.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 27, 2022 12:16 PM (oINRc)

66 @51

>>At least in the end, there will be only chaos. So I've heard, anyway.

Kratos was trenchant and mordant... or was that mordant and trenchant?

Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 27, 2022 12:16 PM (up/3i)

67 It's not clear to me either who this would benefit, assuming it is sabotage.

But this is a clear sign that Europe has to fully embrace it's green religion. If thousands and millions have to starve/freeze, well, every religion has its martyrs.

Posted by: Thrawn at September 27, 2022 12:16 PM (Rl7KJ)

68 Maybe because the German people were demanding that the pipelines be reopened.

And the way to reopen the pipelines is to pressure European governments to start negotiating with Russia to end the war.

That was my takeaway. The absolute last thing this junta wants is any negotiation with Russia to take place. What it *does* want is war and mass death.

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at September 27, 2022 12:16 PM (DTX3h)

69 On the other hand, if this is all accidental and due to natural causes -- how did both pipes get ruptured?

You mean three out of the four pipes. And who screwed up the last one?
Posted by: t-bird at September 27, 2022 12:11 PM (Sv58p)

Sounds like one of the fuses failed? I would hate to be the EOD tech on that one. Working in freezing salt water at 225 feet below the surface. If they blow it in place, it takes out the pipeline anyway.

Posted by: rd at September 27, 2022 12:16 PM (Z32m1)

70 You guys know a lot of states allow AAA to issue licenses, right?

No lines.

Posted by: garrett at September 27, 2022 12:17 PM (kE7ZK)

71 He's not taking responsibility. He owns it. He is the one who put destruction of the pipeline on the table, thus giving plausible deniability to any other actor who might have an interest in causing mischief.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 27, 2022 12:15 PM (kHUzq)

He also owns the media.

Posted by: You Really Don't Want to Know at September 27, 2022 12:17 PM (5Qjf9)

72 Fuck the whole lot of them.

Posted by: DaveA at September 27, 2022 12:17 PM (FhXTo)

73 "This proves what a stupid, stupid man Trump is. How dare he warn us that relying on Russian pipelines was ill advised!" the German politician shivered.

Posted by: Furious George at September 27, 2022 12:17 PM (CkFy6)

74 It's just awful, but wouldn't doubt that we had something to do with this, especially considering what pudding head said in that video. I have no idea why though, nothing makes sense anymore.

Posted by: spypeach at September 27, 2022 12:18 PM (UuB/1)

75 USA sabotaged major gas pipeline from Russia to Germany, and Germany isn't going to do shit about it

Germany is not a sovereign country.

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Brussels' Bitch.

Posted by: ShainS -- Go Galt or Go Rome at September 27, 2022 12:18 PM (ylLOx)

76 Russia already showed their willingness to sabotage the pipeline with their "oh, oops, looks like the newly serviced compressor is busted" stunt, but I also don't see how they'd benefit from this. Personally I don't really give a shit who blew it up or how much western Europe in general and Germany in particular suffers for it; the retards were asking for it.

"2.) Hauling around hundreds or thousands of pounds of explosives by hand underwater is not easy."

10-30 lbs of explosives that are often able to float on their own isn't a big deal. This isn't "hundreds or thousands of pounds". You are reading waaaaaay too much into the seismic info vs. actual size of explosion.

Posted by: somedood at September 27, 2022 12:18 PM (++emK)

77 Why would a pipeline from Russia to Germany be in the North Sea?
Posted by: BignJames at September 27, 2022 12:15 PM (AwYPR)

It's in the Baltic sea. Pretty shallow water there, only 70 meters.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 27, 2022 12:18 PM (kHUzq)

78 they fund the anti-fracking movement in the US

no doubt from me

Posted by: rhennigantx at September 27, 2022 12:19 PM (BRHaw)

79 Evidently the lines are only at a depth of 80 to 110 meters, so it could be anybody.

Posted by: Javems at September 27, 2022 12:19 PM (AmoqO)

80 Noodstream!

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at September 27, 2022 12:19 PM (yikp0)

81 nothing makes sense anymore.

Posted by: spypeach at September 27, 2022 12:18 PM (UuB/1)

Electric cars or bust.

Posted by: You Really Don't Want to Know at September 27, 2022 12:19 PM (5Qjf9)

82 "OT, WTF? You have to make an appt to renew your driver license here. On hold for 15min and their first available is Oct. 27. Bday is next week."

If you look at the "Our Mission" webpage of Illinois state govt, there's a picture of a big fat Gordian Knot.

Posted by: gp's Dark Energy Acceleration at September 27, 2022 12:19 PM (24fqN)

83 You do realize this makes a WORLD WIDE DEPRESSION inevitable?

Europe shuts down 75% of it industry, and still freezes in the dark. China loses a major customer, and source of its industrial equipmment. We have F. Joe Brandon.

WE are all screwed.

Posted by: rd at September 27, 2022 12:19 PM (Z32m1)

84 Assuming the reports are true, my money is on the CIA trying to keep the war going.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 27, 2022 12:19 PM (Ivdso)

85 Hmmm.... read this and immediately thought... depth charge...

Note.... you can make yer own, it aint hard. Then just roll it off the back of a fishing boat...

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 27, 2022 12:19 PM (oHd/0)

86 Denmark borders the Baltic and the North Sea.

Pesky little problem for the German Navy to get out until they built the Kiel Canal.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 27, 2022 12:20 PM (Syqns)

87 >> 80 to 110 meters

I'd hate to be that Meter Reader.

Posted by: garrett at September 27, 2022 12:20 PM (kE7ZK)

88 There is no air underwater.
Posted by: rd at September 27, 2022 12:01 PM

Ahem.

Posted by: Fish gills at September 27, 2022 12:20 PM (a3Q+t)

89 The Forever Wars was Humans versus Taurans

Saurans would have been sexier.

Posted by: Not Quite Chuck Tingle, But Love is Real at September 27, 2022 12:20 PM (KFhLj)

90 I wonder how many of those German protestors had marched for "green" energy policies a few years ago.

Posted by: Ultra pj at September 27, 2022 12:20 PM (G1dq6)

91
I have my nickel on "pro-Ukraine irregulars."

Antifa groups in the US are always on about wanting to blow up pipelines. I'm betting some of these douchebags are Supporting the Current Thing, here.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 27, 2022 12:21 PM (oINRc)

92
It's hard to believe obama's/soros' CIA isnt involved in this.

Posted by: Soothsayer at September 27, 2022 12:21 PM (gKXSf)

93 Interesting that this follows the article that JJ had this morning about the Israelis moving aggressively forward with their European pipeline. I was totally pissed when Biden kayoed what should have been a no brainer to support Israel versus Russia. But then this entire administration has done nothing but decrease accessibility to fossil fuels and lower the standard of living for the entire Western World.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 27, 2022 12:05 PM (Y+l9t)

Since we're going all conspiracy theorist here . . . . The joos conspiracies are not my bag, but Israel has subs and a clear financial stake in such an outcome as demonstrated by JJ in The Morning Report.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur at September 27, 2022 12:21 PM (yHsuS)

94 OT: Does the Danish P.M. like fuzzy muffs??

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at September 27, 2022 12:21 PM (yikp0)

95 As much as I'd like to pin this on the U.S. or a close ally, that doesn't make much sense at all. There is no way SF units with those capabilities would be able to manage that op undetected. My money is on the Russians who reportedly had ships, subs and other assets in the area. For lots of reasons.

Posted by: Marcus T at September 27, 2022 12:21 PM (ZeDNp)

96 So nobody knows exactly who's responsible, but Dunderhead in Chief in his aggressive dementia might blunder us into war over it. Oh, bravo, Biden's cabal.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 27, 2022 12:21 PM (vH/6k)

97 But then this entire administration has done nothing but decrease accessibility to fossil fuels and lower the standard of living for the entire Western World.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 27, 2022 12:05 PM

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Posted by: ValJar at September 27, 2022 12:22 PM (a3Q+t)

98 >>The joos conspiracies are not my bag, but Israel has subs

Also, Sharks. With Lasers.

Posted by: garrett at September 27, 2022 12:22 PM (kE7ZK)

99 Ahem.

Posted by: Fish gills at September 27, 2022 12:20 PM (a3Q+t)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gill

disolved oxygen ... not "air" ...

Posted by: You Really Don't Want to Know at September 27, 2022 12:22 PM (5Qjf9)

100 83 You do realize this makes a WORLD WIDE DEPRESSION inevitable?

Europe shuts down 75% of it industry, and still freezes in the dark. China loses a major customer, and source of its industrial equipmment. We have F. Joe Brandon.

WE are all screwed.
Posted by: rd at September 27, 2022 12:19 PM (Z32m1)

Add in Food shortages, and you are about to see 'the Winter of our discontent'.

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 27, 2022 12:22 PM (oHd/0)

101 "OT, WTF? You have to make an appt to renew your driver license here. On hold for 15min and their first available is Oct. 27. Bday is next week."

If you look at the "Our Mission" webpage of Illinois state govt, there's a picture of a big fat Gordian Knot.
Posted by: gp's Dark Energy Acceleration at September 27, 2022 12:19 PM (24fqN)

Do they allow walk-ins? MN has the same BS. I discovered my license expired the next day. First appointment was 67 days later. I showed up at 15 minutes past the opening time, and was about 20th in line. I was out in 90 minutes.

Posted by: rd at September 27, 2022 12:22 PM (Z32m1)

102 Ukraine has bigger fish to fry.

My guess, is that it is one of the European Union Balkin states who do not want to be next on Russia's list of expansion zones.

Posted by: astonerii at September 27, 2022 12:23 PM (VcZlJ)

103 There is oxygen underwater, but it's not enough to sustain combustion. Explosives don't oxygen, they have an accelerant that provides the oxygen.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at September 27, 2022 12:23 PM (Y5qcH)

104 CIA is in Ukraine and "helped" to disable the pipeline. Prove me wrong.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at September 27, 2022 12:23 PM (5pTK/)

105 OT: Does the Danish P.M. like fuzzy muffs??
Posted by: andycanuck

Everyone likes muffs - fuzzy or not.

Posted by: Tonypete at September 27, 2022 12:23 PM (LsEU/)

106 >>Add in Food shortages, and you are about to see 'the Winter of our discontent'.

Those will hit hardest during Spring and into the Summer.

Posted by: garrett at September 27, 2022 12:23 PM (kE7ZK)

107 Since we're going all conspiracy theorist here . . . . The joos conspiracies are not my bag, but Israel has subs and a clear financial stake in such an outcome as demonstrated by JJ in The Morning Report.

Nope. They'd have sent sharks with industrial lasers on their heads to do the job.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 27, 2022 12:23 PM (ayzS/)

108 Why blow up a pipeline that wasn't delivering gas anyway, due to Putin's sanctions?

Maybe, some speculate, because there were protests in Germany demanding that the pipelines be reopened?

And the way to reopen the pipelines is to pressure European governments to start negotiating with Russia to end the war?
++++
That's my knee-jerk reaction, yes. There's not a lot of reason to suspect that Russia would do this themselves. They control the taps on the other end, and destroying their own physical plant doesn't make sense (except possibly as a false-flag to blame the Americans). The Ukrainians could want to do it, but I'm not sure they have the technical capability. We have the capability, but the desire is unknown. If it was us, and we did it to prevent Germany or other European countries from suing for a separate peace, we're total motherfuckers because that means we're holding the continent hostage for energy - energy we can't produce enough of to supply them without starving ourselves - to extend a war in which we're not directly involved.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 27, 2022 12:23 PM (t0OGg)

109
Fuck yea the USA did the sabotage of the pipeline

The USA raided a former POTUS and sent 30 armed Feds to arrest a Roman Catholic dude who pushed somebody in Pennsylvania

Posted by: Yo! Ultra MAGA at September 27, 2022 12:24 PM (xAAUL)

110 The regime has a motive, so does Germany and NATO.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at September 27, 2022 12:24 PM (5Tc06)

111 Note.... you can make yer own, it aint hard. Then just roll it off the back of a fishing boat...
Posted by: Romeo13 at September 27, 2022 12:19 PM (oHd/0)

I suspect that is how it was done. The explosions were evidently quite large, which is what one would do if you could not get shaped charges stuck right on the the lines themselves. Probably with long-duration timers so the explosions occurred days or weeks after the boat had left the area.

Maybe that German pol who warned about the "24th" did know something?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 27, 2022 12:24 PM (kHUzq)

112 Does the Mossad have an alibi?

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at September 27, 2022 12:24 PM (yikp0)

113 Great Caesar's Ghost!!

Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 27, 2022 12:24 PM (up/3i)

114 During Pride Month, Nord Stream?

DURING PRIDE MONTH?!

Posted by: Dr. T at September 27, 2022 12:24 PM (bhRsz)

115 I don’t understand how there is a gas shortage in a world containing Joe Biden, Jerry Nadler, Stacy Abrams, Chris Christie, and Michael Moore.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at September 27, 2022 12:24 PM (atmen)

116 Has anyone said "aliens" yet? If not, put my money on them.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at September 27, 2022 12:24 PM (KFhLj)

117 Posted by: Marcus T at September 27, 2022 12:21 PM (ZeDNp)

Uh, depth charge. And yes, the US Navy has plans to be able to cut pipelines and undersea cables, using various weapons platforms.

Hell, you could FLY over and do it... depth charge set to detonate at a known depth...

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 27, 2022 12:24 PM (oHd/0)

118 >>Has anyone said "aliens" yet? If not, put my money on them.

I'm putting a sawbuck on : Crab People.

Posted by: garrett at September 27, 2022 12:25 PM (kE7ZK)

119 Or, of course, it was us but it has nothing to do with Ukraine and is instead an action taken to capitalize on an already tense energy and political situation to emphasize the dangers of gas and oil pipelines and prevent their reconstruction or the construction of new pipelines in the name of environmentalism and climate change.

If you want tinfoil, *there* is some tinfoil for you!

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 27, 2022 12:25 PM (t0OGg)

120 Sabotage?

So does this mean the pipelines are clogged or unclogged?

I'd sure like to know, wooden shoe?

Posted by: Muldoon at September 27, 2022 12:25 PM (cPDW+)

121 Honestly, though, it would have been much worse if the pipelines hadn't been fully vaccinated.

Posted by: Dr. T at September 27, 2022 12:25 PM (bhRsz)

122
If it was us, and we did it to prevent Germany or other European countries from suing for a separate peace, we're total motherfuckers

------

And stupid ones, too. I'm now convinced it was us.

Whatever the most stupid motherfuckery thing is, is what the US does.

Occam's razor - whatever is the worst possible thing the US could do is always the simplest explanation.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 27, 2022 12:25 PM (oINRc)

123 >>The joos conspiracies are not my bag, but Israel has subs

Also, Sharks. With Lasers.
Posted by: garrett at September 27, 2022 12:22 PM (kE7ZK)

Those Joo subs are 3,000 mles away from the Baltic seas. My money is on Russia, France, Britain, US. Less likely? Poland, Norway, Sweden.

Norway is opening a new 10 million cu ft gas line to Poland tomorrow.

Posted by: rd at September 27, 2022 12:26 PM (Z32m1)

124 Tinfoil?

It happened on September 24th.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at September 27, 2022 12:26 PM (b1zbT)

125 Not surprised that Biden's reign ends in gas.

Posted by: Puddinhead at September 27, 2022 12:26 PM (KY22T)

126 Why not sabotage?
Not like we've had an inexplicable run of various food production and processing sites catch fire, explode, 1k head of cattle just die, largest chicken processing plant burn, etc.

2022: Scarcity, good and hard!

Posted by: Lizzy at September 27, 2022 12:26 PM (7obMn)

127 Are there any female captains in the US submarine service? If so, then there's our possible explanation.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at September 27, 2022 12:26 PM (BdMk6)

128 Also willowed:

How does the Nord bombing help the Biden and Kerry family?
What's the connection to their investments?
--

The only operational pipeline from Russia to Europe is now the one that goes through Ukraine, which Zelensky and anyone with their fingers in that pie benefit from. At least as long as it remains running.

Posted by: Methos

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at September 27, 2022 12:26 PM (b1zbT)

129 They told me that if I voted for Trump the Nordstream 2 pipeline would be killed... AND THEY WERE RIGHT!

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at September 27, 2022 12:27 PM (wmDcS)

130 But who knows if they had some unofficial help from former CIA people working for one of the many well-funded private intelligence agencies based in DC.

The best funded of these is the Agency for Centralized Intelligence. Their offices are located at 1000 Colonial Farm Rd., Langley, VA. It is important to note, however, that they are not an agency of the US government and can, therefore, spy on Americans also.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic, Ashli Babbitt/Rosanne Boyland at September 27, 2022 12:27 PM (z99Zw)

131 The downside to this for Ukraine - if it was deliberate and if they did it - is that it is enormously high-risk and could backfire hugely. It might prevent European countries from pursuing a separate peace with Russia, but that doesn't mean that those countries won't do an about-face and punish Ukraine instead by supporting Russian ambitions in that country to bring the war to an end.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 27, 2022 12:27 PM (t0OGg)

132 I suspect that is how it was done. The explosions were evidently quite large, which is what one would do if you could not get shaped charges stuck right on the the lines themselves. Probably with long-duration timers so the explosions occurred days or weeks after the boat had left the area.

Why couldn't one just lower explosives with a magnet on them on a line, and move it until it encountered the pipeline. I mean, as long as we're doing the rank speculation thing...

Posted by: Archimedes at September 27, 2022 12:27 PM (ayzS/)

133 There your answer:

Court Rules Trans Prison Guard Can’t Strip-Search Muslim Inmate.

Mohammedan>>Tranny

Posted by: rhennigantx at September 27, 2022 12:27 PM (BRHaw)

134 Biden regime will poke the Russian bear with a stick until pootie poo feels forced to pop nuculur corn.

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko Solutions at September 27, 2022 12:27 PM (zGaBX)

135 Will history look back on this as a pivotal moment?

Gavel Princip was unavailable for comment.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at September 27, 2022 12:27 PM (e6UQI)

136 "And this, during daddy's funeral! So disrespectful!"
--Meggie McCain

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 27, 2022 12:27 PM (Ivdso)

137 Pipeline was at ~ 1400 psi when it dropped. Not insignificant pressure.

Posted by: Javems at September 27, 2022 12:27 PM (AmoqO)

138 Any word on Putin's 6,000 nukes?

Posted by: Puddinhead at September 27, 2022 12:28 PM (KY22T)

139 There is no way SF units with those capabilities would be able to manage that op undetected.
Posted by: Marcus T at September 27, 2022 12:21 PM

Assuming you mean U.S. units, even as degraded and woke as they've become, that is highly unlikely to be the case.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 27, 2022 12:28 PM (a3Q+t)

140 > But maybe, who knows, maybe it was Russia. They are sneaky sons-of-bitches, and the war has been going badly for them.

Has it been going badly for them? I really can't tell one way or the other. How many billions of dollars have we dumped on the Ukrainians now? 120 Billion or so? There doesn't seem to be an end anytime soon. I don't trust any of the news coming from the Ukrainians, the Russians, or the US. They're all full of shit as far as I can tell.

Posted by: bonhomme at September 27, 2022 12:28 PM (eyxn4)

141 102 Ukraine has bigger fish to fry.

My guess, is that it is one of the European Union Balkin states who do not want to be next on Russia's list of expansion zones.

Russia had huge economic leverage as long as everyone knew they COULD turn the flow of energy back on.

If it's impossible, then that political / economic leverage, is gone.

Absolutely in Ukraine's interest to have the West continue the steady stream of money into their country, the war has brought.

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 27, 2022 12:28 PM (oHd/0)

142 "Are there any female captains in the US submarine service? If so, then there's our possible explanation."

LOL

Not so funny, check out the report on the USS Connecticut (sub) in the South China Sea in 2021, or summaries of it. Unbelievable. Male commander. Rammed a sea mount at 24 knots. Failure of navigation operation literally difficult to believe.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 27, 2022 12:28 PM (OTzUX)

143 Strangely enough, it becomes much more difficult for European 'leaders' to eliminate sanctions and get Russia to open up gas shipments now.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at September 27, 2022 12:28 PM (5Tc06)

144 America Is Back, Baby!

Posted by: Dark Brandon, Senile Child Molester! at September 27, 2022 12:28 PM (I2/tG)

145 Has anyone said "aliens" yet? If not, put my money on them.

Sure, aliens. Nobody much closer, that's for sure.

Posted by: Subterranean Lizard People at September 27, 2022 12:29 PM (ayzS/)

146 5 Congratulations Europe! You are one step closer to being carbon free!
Posted by: 2009Refugee

Yay!

Posted by: Euro Watermelons at September 27, 2022 12:29 PM (sAmhv)

147 This is what happens when you piss off a Kaiju.

Posted by: fd at September 27, 2022 12:29 PM (sn5EN)

148 Note.... you can make yer own, it aint hard. Then just roll it off the back of a fishing boat...
Posted by: Romeo13 at September 27, 2022 12:19 PM (oHd/0)

I suspect that is how it was done. The explosions were evidently quite large, which is what one would do if you could not get shaped charges stuck right on the the lines themselves. Probably with long-duration timers so the explosions occurred days or weeks after the boat had left the area.

Maybe that German pol who warned about the "24th" did know something?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 27, 2022 12:24 PM (kHUzq)

And it is not as if remotely piloted drones are first world nation only devices. Kind of opens up the world of possibilities.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur at September 27, 2022 12:29 PM (yHsuS)

149 Oddly, the markets are beginning to respond to war. I wonder why?

Posted by: Puddinhead at September 27, 2022 12:29 PM (KY22T)

150 The tough part is that you don't get to tell 9 billion people "I promise you we will do that" and then not take credit when it happens.

Imagine angrily telling someone you were going to have them killed while you were talking to them in front of an entire football stadium, and the person winds up dead in his dressing room 15 minutes later. But it wasn't you, was it?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at September 27, 2022 12:29 PM (b1zbT)

151 Anyone know the current general AO of USS Jimmy Carter?

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 27, 2022 12:29 PM (Syqns)

152 Since we're going all conspiracy theorist here . . . . The joos conspiracies are not my bag, but Israel has subs and a clear financial stake in such an outcome as demonstrated by JJ in The Morning Report.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur

Thing is, this was already happening. Israel already providing natural gas to Europe as a result of current market demand. There was no incentive for them to do this and I did not mean to imply their involvement.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 27, 2022 12:30 PM (Y+l9t)

153 Were the pipes Made in China?

Only our best Stainress Steel!

Posted by: t-bird at September 27, 2022 12:30 PM (hPvGe)

154
I don't trust any of the news coming from the Ukrainians, the Russians, or the US. They're all full of shit as far as I can tell.
Posted by: bonhomme at September 27, 2022 12:28 PM (eyxn4)

You can count on it that all involved parties are bad and liars, because they are.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 27, 2022 12:30 PM (oINRc)

155 A few Europeans freezing to death is a small price to pay for the New World Order!

Posted by: National Google Review! at September 27, 2022 12:30 PM (I2/tG)

156 What about China? China loses if that gas goes to Europe, but they win bigly if it can't. It's the only other place for it to go, and at a discount.

I mean, as long as we're speculating.

Posted by: Subterranean Lizard People at September 27, 2022 12:30 PM (ayzS/)

157 I bet the price of wood stoves in Germany is sky-high. In a few years, the German landscape will look like Haiti's.

Posted by: mrp at September 27, 2022 12:30 PM (6eRlp)

158 And stupid ones, too. I'm now convinced it was us.

Whatever the most stupid motherfuckery thing is, is what the US does.

Occam's razor - whatever is the worst possible thing the US could do is always the simplest explanation.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 27, 2022 12:25 PM (oINRc)

That's basically the modus operandi of the State Department and CIA. Who now have a vegetable nominally in charge of them. Seems plausible

Posted by: Someguy's at September 27, 2022 12:30 PM (VPWcH)

159 "I don't want to be played by Ukraine, but I also don't want my not-wanting-to-be-played-by-Ukraine to make me open to being played by Russia, either."

This is a great summation of my feelings on this whole thing. And why I find it very easy to ignore this whole sideshow, except to occasionally laugh at it.

Posted by: Wally at September 27, 2022 12:30 PM (FJYfm)

160 This is what happens when you piss off a Kaiju.

So Gorgo is real?

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 27, 2022 12:30 PM (Syqns)

161 How many people had "UNITED STATES BEGINS WAR PER WEF PLANS" on their September 24th card?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at September 27, 2022 12:30 PM (b1zbT)

162 There are so many good theories and plausible culprits. Maybe the USA blowed up NS1, and Russia did NS2? Maybe there were subs waiting in line to hit them.

Here's a good suspect: Acme Pipeline Repair Co.

Posted by: gp's Dark Energy Acceleration at September 27, 2022 12:30 PM (24fqN)

163 Why couldn't one just lower explosives with a magnet on them on a line, and move it until it encountered the pipeline. I mean, as long as we're doing the rank speculation thing...
Posted by: Archimedes at September 27, 2022 12:27 PM (ayzS/)

You could, but you would have to stop for a bit to do that.... and everyone knows satellites are watching now...

Now, just happen to cruise by the spot a couple of days ago? Explosives on a timer?

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 27, 2022 12:31 PM (oHd/0)

164 Will all that natural gas into the atmosphere, and ocean, cause any change in the Globull Warming?

Posted by: Bruce at September 27, 2022 12:31 PM (vd8XM)

165 >>This is what happens when you piss off a Kaiju.

Why is everyone looking at me?

Posted by: Pestar at September 27, 2022 12:31 PM (kE7ZK)

166 145 Has anyone said "aliens" yet? If not, put my money on them.

Sure, aliens. Nobody much closer, that's for sure.
Posted by: Subterranean Lizard People

The Abyss except the aliens aren't stupid peaceniks.

Posted by: Puddleglum at September 27, 2022 12:31 PM (sAmhv)

167 Yeah I don't know about that. Something really risky like this would only be done by the people with the greatest stake in the outcome -- that is, the Ukranians themselves.

The Ukrainian regime is a puppet of DC and exists to launder money for DC's politicians. They, and the Biden regime in particular, are the ones with the greatest stake in the outcome of the conflict.

Zelensky can always retire in comfort with all the funds he's skimmed if the war goes the wrong way. But DC's global prestige takes a massive hit in that event.

Posted by: Methos at September 27, 2022 12:31 PM (kOpft)

168 Uh, depth charge. And yes, the US Navy has plans to be able to cut pipelines and undersea cables, using various weapons platforms.

Hell, you could FLY over and do it... depth charge set to detonate at a known depth...
Posted by: Romeo13 at September 27, 2022 12:24 PM (oHd/0)

You can find the pipeline using a MAD / magnetic anomaly detector. Fly lengthwise along it and deliver a large bomb to the sea floor with a time delay. 2 days later? BOOM!

The Swedes said the booms registered 2.3 on multiple seismometers.

Posted by: rd at September 27, 2022 12:31 PM (Z32m1)

169 Biden will blurt out the details of the operation the next time he's in front of the press ... especially if someone asks about it.

Posted by: You Really Don't Want to Know at September 27, 2022 12:31 PM (5Qjf9)

170 How many billions of dollars have we dumped on the Ukrainians now? 120 Billion or so? There doesn't seem to be an end anytime soon.

And we sure as hell are in no hurry!

Posted by: Ukraine at September 27, 2022 12:31 PM (hPvGe)

171 Are there any female captains in the US submarine service? If so, then there's our possible explanation.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at September 27, 2022 12:26 PM (BdMk6)

I'll just parallel park this right here.

Oh crap.

*drives off*

Posted by: Girl Power Sub Commander at September 27, 2022 12:32 PM (yHsuS)

172 Ah, wait, I get the angle.

How many billions in cash will Ukraine require now?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at September 27, 2022 12:32 PM (b1zbT)

173 I blame the Welsh!

Posted by: Puddinhead at September 27, 2022 12:32 PM (KY22T)

174 11 Interesting that this follows the article that JJ had this morning about the Israelis moving aggressively forward with their European pipeline. I was totally pissed when Biden kayoed what should have been a no brainer to support Israel versus Russia. But then this entire administration has done nothing but decrease accessibility to fossil fuels and lower the standard of living for the entire Western World.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice)
--------------------------------------------

They are going to get particularly nasty when they are, finally, backed into the inevitable corner.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at September 27, 2022 12:32 PM (PAY0n)

175 Did any of you ‘Ron’s happen to see Julie London in that Jose Ferrer movie on TCM last night?

YOWZA!

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at September 27, 2022 12:32 PM (atmen)

176 Light it up!

Posted by: Skip's phone at September 27, 2022 12:32 PM (7DG+d)

177 Trench Foot > Kevin McCarthy > Mitch McConnell

Posted by: Maj. Healey at September 27, 2022 12:32 PM (ZCool)

178 War, red in sword, is coming back.
The Deep State wants it and the IC is running wild, as it has been for too long.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at September 27, 2022 12:32 PM (V6f9+)

179 Why couldn't one just lower explosives with a magnet on them on a line, and move it until it encountered the pipeline. I mean, as long as we're doing the rank speculation thing...
Posted by: Archimedes at September 27, 2022 12:27 PM (ayzS/)

Then your ship would have to be on-station over the line for an extended period. I expect several countries monitor movements of vessels in the Baltic. And satellites can track ships, too.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 27, 2022 12:32 PM (kHUzq)

180 Why would a pipeline from Russia to Germany be in the North Sea?

********

Meandering

Posted by: Muldoon at September 27, 2022 12:32 PM (cPDW+)

181 >>I don't trust any of the news coming from the Ukrainians, the Russians, or the US. They're all full of shit as far as I can tell.

This.
I don't know anything about Nordstream in general, and I can't trust the MSM or the involved government officials to get any of us up to speed now. So. . . only leaves speculation based on other recent events and narratives.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 27, 2022 12:33 PM (7obMn)

182 Ukraine has the motive, but not the capability.

Besides, Brandon explicitly said in February that he was going to take the pipelines out if Russia invaded.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 27, 2022 12:33 PM (I2/tG)

183 Rapey Dolphins to blame ?

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at September 27, 2022 12:33 PM (M+Lyo)

184 Not my war. I don't care who did what.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Christian Nationalist, Defiant! at September 27, 2022 12:33 PM (VtqbX)

185 The Ukrainian regime is a puppet of DC and exists to launder money for DC's politicians.

And Brussels, don't forget Brussels.

Posted by: t-bird at September 27, 2022 12:33 PM (hPvGe)

186 The Swedes said the booms registered 2.3 on multiple seismometers.

Posted by: rd at September 27, 2022 12:31 PM (Z32m1)

What do nuke tests register? To my mind, 2.3 is in the realm of hardly able to be felt by humans.

Posted by: Girl Power Sub Commander at September 27, 2022 12:33 PM (yHsuS)

187 The Gaia Religion has a submarine

Posted by: Skip's phone at September 27, 2022 12:33 PM (7DG+d)

188 Now, just happen to cruise by the spot a couple of days ago? Explosives on a timer?

Yeah, that's what I was thinking.

I see that the "Ukraine is the font of all evil" folks are here.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 27, 2022 12:33 PM (ayzS/)

189 I'd sure like to know, wooden shoe?
-------------------
The Red Chinese -- Hillary's pal, Norman Hsu!

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at September 27, 2022 12:34 PM (yikp0)

190 Why would a pipeline from Russia to Germany be in the North Sea?

To avoid going through Belarus and Poland.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 27, 2022 12:34 PM (I2/tG)

191 And what's the cost-of-repair response? Besides the fingerpointing, how long will the repairs take? The least culpable will be the first countries to demand repair of the pipelines whatever the cost.

Posted by: mrp at September 27, 2022 12:34 PM (6eRlp)

192 Reminds me of a plot in a mini arc in Madame Secretary. Air Force One suffered a hack in their computer system, and could have caused a crash. Signature in the code indicated Russians, so we caused a blackout in Moscow. Could have gone to war, but MSec found it they it was the Ukes, who wanted to force is to stop Russian influence in Ukraine, and hired hackers to pin the incident on Russia instead.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at September 27, 2022 12:34 PM (S75wd)

193 How many people had "UNITED STATES BEGINS WAR PER WEF PLANS" on their September 24th card?
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are

Typical Government work! Today is September 27.

Posted by: rd at September 27, 2022 12:34 PM (Z32m1)

194 Greenpeace. Or some other equally retarded militant environmental group.

They're so fvcking dumb they don't realize natural gas is methane which is a far stronger greenhouse gas than CO2. And they're pissing it all into the atmosphere.

Posted by: quantum mechanic at September 27, 2022 12:34 PM (g1EEm)

195 How come nobody in the North Sea has shot a flare into that bubbling eruption? Euros are some kind of retarded.

Posted by: Puddinhead at September 27, 2022 12:35 PM (KY22T)

196 Solar pipelines never seem to explode.

Posted by: ManBearPig at September 27, 2022 12:35 PM (4ENXK)

197 173 I blame the Welsh!
Posted by: Puddinhead

Nobody ever blames the Welsh. Sneaky bastards.

Posted by: Puddleglum at September 27, 2022 12:35 PM (sAmhv)

198 Well, things just got real....

It's going to be long COLD Winter for the EU...*sniff*

Posted by: Bad Boys at September 27, 2022 12:35 PM (Br9Gi)

199 Wondering if it's Ukraine or Russia. Russia would love the see Germany die this winter, and obviously Ukraine doesn't want Russia to get paid for distributing oil.

Russia accomplishes all the pain it wants any time it wants just by turning off the flow. They have no incentive to destroy their own property as it precludes them making money on it for the foreseeable future.

And, oh by the way, creates a massive incentive for the surviving Euros to find some way to heat their homes on their won rather than hoping the Russian gas will be turned back on.

Posted by: Methos at September 27, 2022 12:35 PM (kOpft)

200 Dems up big in AZ, PA senate races and latest polls shows Vance losing OH and a toss up in WI. The senate is gone.

The GOP sucks so bad at politics. Partly because their #1 focus is pissing on their base.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at September 27, 2022 12:35 PM (OalnH)

201 Greg Price
@greg_price11

1h
They're walking out of school in the most liberal part of Virginia because Glenn Youngkin decided that parental consent should be required before children can be called by a different name or gender in schools and make decisions that could lead to irreversible bodily harm.

https://tinyurl.com/yxjcuta3

Posted by: redridinghood at September 27, 2022 12:35 PM (NpAcC)

202 The least culpable will be the first countries to demand repair of the pipelines whatever the cost.

It wasn't me.

Posted by: Tessio at September 27, 2022 12:36 PM (ayzS/)

203 Obviously, the hint of war has put a bottom on the selloff. Coincidence?

Posted by: Puddinhead at September 27, 2022 12:36 PM (KY22T)

204 Our contributions to the Democratic Party are really paying off!

Posted by: US LNG Exporters! at September 27, 2022 12:36 PM (I2/tG)

205 So this means Germany needs more US LNG shipped over, right? Could that be a motive?
Posted by: gp's Dark Energy Acceleration at September 27, 2022 12:09 PM (24fqN)

If things continue to escalate, the world could be reminded that submarines exist...and why.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic, Ashli Babbitt/Rosanne Boyland at September 27, 2022 12:36 PM (z99Zw)

206 Why would a pipeline from Russia to Germany be in the North Sea?

So that Germany controls European energy from Russia, not the Ukraine.

Posted by: t-bird at September 27, 2022 12:36 PM (yZlY6)

207 Maybe some unnatural gas got mixed in with the natural gas.

Posted by: gp's Dark Energy Acceleration at September 27, 2022 12:36 PM (24fqN)

208 Depending upon where the pipelines run, some of their length is probably under surface radar surveillance which is used to monitor ship traffic.

So yeah unless you are a scheduled maintenance ship, stopping will draw attention as in various rescue craft showing up to offer assistance.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 27, 2022 12:36 PM (Syqns)

209 Haven't read comments, but I am sure someone has pointed out the pipeline DOES NOT go through the North Sea. It goes through the Baltic Sea.

Posted by: Kemp at September 27, 2022 12:36 PM (VIwJr)

210 If it was built by the Russkies, maybe it was built into it.

One ping only Vassily

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at September 27, 2022 12:36 PM (M+Lyo)

211 180 Why would a pipeline from Russia to Germany be in the North Sea?

********

Meandering
Posted by: Muldoon

Avoiding Poland?

Posted by: Puddleglum at September 27, 2022 12:36 PM (sAmhv)

212 200 Dems up big in AZ, PA senate races and latest polls shows Vance losing OH and a toss up in WI. The senate is gone.

The GOP sucks so bad at politics. Partly because their #1 focus is pissing on their base.
Posted by: Joe XiDen at September 27, 2022 12:35 PM (OalnH)

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And then there's the battleground poll from ABC saying that the GOP is up by 21.

If you are going by polls, you've surely included that in your calculations, no?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for the Invisible Man with Dracula and Frankenstein's monster at September 27, 2022 12:37 PM (LvTSG)

213 To my mind, 2.3 is in the realm of hardly able to be felt by humans.
Posted by: Girl Power Sub Commander

That's 2.3 on the Richter scale.

Not 2.3 inches.

Posted by: quantum mechanic at September 27, 2022 12:37 PM (g1EEm)

214 "See! We told you pipelines are bad!" - environ-mental retarded Luddites.

Posted by: Roy at September 27, 2022 12:37 PM (6thrC)

215 >>found it they it was the Ukes, who wanted to force is to stop Russian influence in Ukraine, and hired hackers to pin the incident on Russia instead.

So. . . an avatar for Crowdstrike?

Posted by: Lizzy at September 27, 2022 12:37 PM (7obMn)

216 The tough part is that you don't get to tell 9 billion people "I promise you we will do that" and then not take credit when it happens.

Imagine angrily telling someone you were going to have them killed while you were talking to them in front of an entire football stadium, and the person winds up dead in his dressing room 15 minutes later. But it wasn't you, was it?
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at September 27, 2022 12:29 PM (b1zbT)

Which was exactly my point. The Pedo in Chief owns this, whether he gave the order or not.

"Who will rid me of this troublesome priest?"

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 27, 2022 12:37 PM (kHUzq)

217 There was no incentive for them to do this and I did not mean to imply their involvement.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 27, 2022 12:30 PM (Y+l9t)

Me neither. It is more of goofing on "the joos did it" people.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur at September 27, 2022 12:37 PM (yHsuS)

218 Russia accomplishes all the pain it wants any time it wants just by turning off the flow. They have no incentive to destroy their own property as it precludes them making money on it for the foreseeable future.

And, oh by the way, creates a massive incentive for the surviving Euros to find some way to heat their homes on their won rather than hoping the Russian gas will be turned back on.
Posted by: Methos at September 27, 2022 12:35 PM (kOpft)

Yes it is rather bad for Russia's negotiating position. They've already shown they'll shut off the gas using normal means, and already had for that matter. Them blowing up their own stuff makes no sense here.

Posted by: Someguy's at September 27, 2022 12:37 PM (VPWcH)

219 Russia would love the see Germany die this winter

And we were impressed by the guy urinating on his ex-wife's grave 48 years later.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 27, 2022 12:37 PM (ayzS/)

220 "And what's the cost-of-repair response?"

Cost-of-repair > Cost-of-attack.

Posted by: gp's Dark Energy Acceleration at September 27, 2022 12:38 PM (24fqN)

221 The Swedes said the booms registered 2.3 on multiple seismometers.

Posted by: rd at September 27, 2022 12:31 PM (Z32m1)

What do nuke tests register? To my mind, 2.3 is in the realm of hardly able to be felt by humans.
Posted by: Girl Power Sub Commander at September 27, 2022 12:33 PM (yHsuS)

Depends on factors like the rock/ mud, distance, and where the boom happens. But 2.3 on many seismometers many kilometers away? BIG BOOM. lots more than a hundred pounds of explosives. Tons of Explosives?

Posted by: rd at September 27, 2022 12:38 PM (Z32m1)

222 I don't believe any polling

Posted by: Skip's phone at September 27, 2022 12:38 PM (7DG+d)

223 Silent but deadly.

Posted by: ManBearPig at September 27, 2022 12:38 PM (4ENXK)

224 And those protests could be, legitimately, RUSSIAN DISINFORMATION. Russia pulls a lot of operations with respect to energy -- after all, they fund the anti-fracking movement in the US. I imagine they have similar operations in Germany.

So do the communist Chinks. There are plenty of links between the ChiComs and and the Green lobby.

I suspect everyone except garrett, who is mostly interested in adding to his Crocs collection.

Posted by: GnuBreed at September 27, 2022 12:38 PM (JOtiF)

225 >>1h
They're walking out of school in the most liberal part of Virginia

Good. The world needs more ditch diggers and gloryhole attendants.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at September 27, 2022 12:38 PM (ZCool)

226 Russia pulls a lot of operations with respect to energy -- after all, they fund the anti-fracking movement in the US.

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What? This can't be. if this was true, our brave media firefighters who have dedicated themselves to rooting out Russian disinformation would have mentioned something about it.

Posted by: Cave Johnson at September 27, 2022 12:38 PM (9bp5t)

227 We did it.

It's the dumbest possible thing we could do so it's the most likely thing.

Posted by: ballistic - They want you dead or in camps. Prepare accordingly. at September 27, 2022 12:38 PM (oXNqT)

228 The GOP sucks so bad at politics. Partly because their #1 focus is pissing on their base.
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Clearly, you have no understanding of how a Feudal System works.

Posted by: Puddinhead at September 27, 2022 12:38 PM (KY22T)

229
Woopsie!

Posted by: YIKES! at September 27, 2022 12:38 PM (t6XCL)

230 No... the "war" is not "going badly for Russia".

Ukraine is smashed daily.

In fact, come October 1, it's going to go even more badly for Ukraine.

And maybe for us, if the DC maniacs get their way.

Posted by: DJSmith at September 27, 2022 12:38 PM (udu6z)

231 226 What? This can't be. if this was true, our brave media firefighters who have dedicated themselves to rooting out Russian disinformation would have mentioned something about it.
Posted by: Cave Johnson at September 27, 2022 12:38 PM (9bp5t)

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One could even call it Russian collusion.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for the Invisible Man with Dracula and Frankenstein's monster at September 27, 2022 12:39 PM (LvTSG)

232 The thing is, Biden promising something or making a statement isn't really any sort of proof that the US government can or even wants to do something. The guy just talks out of his rear end and then the spox people run to a mic and correct him.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 27, 2022 12:39 PM (Ivdso)

233 Live by the single stream energy provider ruled over by a tyrannical despot, die by the single stream energy provider ruled over by a tyrannical despot.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at September 27, 2022 12:39 PM (bVYXr)

234 I miss the old world -- where there were one or two governments or government agencies that you could trust.

There's no such thing as a conspiracy theory anymore. Everything is plausible, because all the players are bad actors, with dubious motives and no discernible morality.

This is the beginning of the outcome of that wretched John Lennon song, Imagine. Not the dreamworld he and his smelly little commie bit had in mind. Quelle surprise.

Posted by: red speck at September 27, 2022 12:39 PM (gS3OW)

235 Joe XiDen, I believe CBD calls this thread jacking. can't you at least hold off your unmitigated pessisimism for an appropriate thread. No one cares about yur opinion anyways.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 27, 2022 12:39 PM (Y+l9t)

236 Whoa! Anybody seen Greta Thunberg this week? Bet it was her.

Posted by: gp's Dark Energy Acceleration at September 27, 2022 12:39 PM (24fqN)

237 Our gasoline prices will go back up...'cause they can.

Posted by: BignJames at September 27, 2022 12:40 PM (AwYPR)

238 >>They're walking out of school in the most liberal part of Virginia because Glenn Youngkin decided that parental consent. . .

Blah blah blah they want to skip class and play pretend activist. No doubt organized by the teachers.
So very tired of these lil' tantrums being treated seriously.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 27, 2022 12:40 PM (7obMn)

239 There is a wise oft quoted line from a movie that is appropo here. If only I could remember it.

Posted by: Admiral Josh painter at September 27, 2022 12:40 PM (0Qrr3)

240 235 Joe XiDen, I believe CBD calls this thread jacking. can't you at least hold off your unmitigated pessisimism for an appropriate thread. No one cares about yur opinion anyways.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 27, 2022 12:39 PM (Y+l9t)

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And ace says there's no threadjacking in ace threads.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for the Invisible Man with Dracula and Frankenstein's monster at September 27, 2022 12:40 PM (LvTSG)

241 "186 ... registered 2.3 on multiple seismometers.

Posted by: rd at September 27, 2022 12:31 PM (Z32m1)

What do nuke tests register? To my mind, 2.3 is in the realm of hardly able to be felt by humans.
Posted by: Girl Power Sub Commander"

IIRC when the Russian sub Kursk had it's malfunctions and blew up, it was in the 2.x range. I don't remember exactly but it was noticed by siemologists. It was probably a couple of torpedoes/missiles going off in the torpedo/missile bay IIRC.

Posted by: Scott_T at September 27, 2022 12:40 PM (2waQ7)

242 If I were Finland, I'd be watching my six.

Posted by: Puddinhead at September 27, 2022 12:40 PM (KY22T)

243 Or, no such thing as threadjacking, that they're all effectively open threads.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for the Invisible Man with Dracula and Frankenstein's monster at September 27, 2022 12:40 PM (LvTSG)

244 Yeah, 2.3 is a very, very minor tremor. Isn't the scale logarithmic? So 3 is 10 times 2?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 27, 2022 12:40 PM (Ivdso)

245 No... the "war" is not "going badly for Russia".

Ukraine is smashed daily.

Dude...

Posted by: Archimedes at September 27, 2022 12:41 PM (ayzS/)

246 The Welsh don’t have enough vowels to pull of something like this.

The Dutch, on the other hand…

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at September 27, 2022 12:41 PM (atmen)

247 I don't believe any polling
Posted by: Skip's phone at September 27, 2022 12:38 PM (7DG+d)

I don't believe in Joe Xiden or Electric cars.

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at September 27, 2022 12:41 PM (M+Lyo)

248 Maybe everyone loves the Hunchback Named Fetterman

Posted by: Skip's phone at September 27, 2022 12:41 PM (7DG+d)

249 https://tinyurl.com/mr2efae3

"A reading from a German Centre for Georesearch seismograph on the Danish island of Bornholm shows two spikes, at 0003 and 1700 GMT, followed by a lower-level 'hissing' on the day when the Nord Stream 1 and 2 Baltic gas pipelines sprang leaks one after the other."

Posted by: Thrawn at September 27, 2022 12:41 PM (Rl7KJ)

250
I'm mystified as to how it's still *possible* to "threadjack" on this topic.

Who the hell cares who "wins" our "elections?"

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 27, 2022 12:41 PM (oINRc)

251 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 27, 2022 12:41 PM (Zz0t1)

252 UUVs presumably have like their UAV cousins have become more accessible, cheaper, and civilianized, so it seems possible that anyone could have done it. None of the whodunit speculation here seems persuasive given apparent risk/benefit considerations.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 27, 2022 12:42 PM (OTzUX)

253 I think Finland would tear the Soviets a new one.

Posted by: ManBearPig at September 27, 2022 12:42 PM (4ENXK)

254 "Dems up big in AZ, PA senate races and latest polls shows Vance losing OH and a toss up in WI. The senate is gone.
The GOP sucks so bad at politics. Partly because their #1 focus is pissing on their base."
Posted by: Joe XiDen at September 27, 2022 12:35 PM (OalnH)

Because if there's anything we know about polling, they're extremely accurate. Personally I don't think the (R)'s should have the majority in the Senate if they're going to let Mitch be leader but they probably will win, believing in polling is like believing in the tooth fairy.

Posted by: lowandslow at September 27, 2022 12:42 PM (qH6FZ)

255 The world, with a Biden administration in existence, is a VERY dangerous place.

MILLIONS are going to die. Watch what happens next.

Russia is pissed. China is pissed. It will not end quietly.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 27, 2022 12:42 PM (Zz0t1)

256 Russia would love the see Germany die this winter

The Russians wanted to watch the Germans start to freeze, and then say: "Come, let us make a deal so the pipelines get turned back on and you stop freezing".

That's no longer an option.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 27, 2022 12:42 PM (I2/tG)

257 And ace says there's no threadjacking in ace threads.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for the Invisible Man with Dracula and Frankenstein's monster at September 27, 2022 12:40 PM (LvTSG)

Ace jacks his own threads ! haha

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at September 27, 2022 12:42 PM (M+Lyo)

258 No... the "war" is not "going badly for Russia".

Nobody knows what the hell is going on there except the people doing it and even then fog of war. Making definitive statements about who's winning and what is taking place is simply impossible. Both sides lie about it and the media is worthless.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 27, 2022 12:42 PM (Ivdso)

259 232 The thing is, Biden promising something or making a statement isn't really any sort of proof that the US government can or even wants to do something. The guy just talks out of his rear end and then the spox people run to a mic and correct him.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 27, 2022 12:39 PM (Ivdso)

I think we're all reasonably confident the US can do something like this. Motive-wise, the likely culprits our ourselves and Ukraine. I'm skeptical Ukraine could pull this off, it'd take others providing the resources and need coaching through the process.

Posted by: Someguy's at September 27, 2022 12:42 PM (VPWcH)

260 Who knew we'd get WWIII for Halloween?

Posted by: Puddinhead at September 27, 2022 12:42 PM (KY22T)

261 " It was probably a couple of torpedoes/missiles going off in the torpedo/missile bay IIRC."

Great movie: "Kursk" (201

, aka "The Command."

Posted by: gp's Dark Energy Acceleration at September 27, 2022 12:43 PM (24fqN)

262 Is a "threadjacker" some dude with a really small dick who is jacking off?

Posted by: Elric Blade at September 27, 2022 12:43 PM (iFTx/)

263 >>> https://tinyurl.com/2p8747ap
Posted by: You Really Don't Want to Know
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He seems cogent.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at September 27, 2022 12:43 PM (PAY0n)

264 222 I don't believe any polling
Posted by: Skip's phone

As you shouldn't.

Posted by: Puddleglum at September 27, 2022 12:43 PM (sAmhv)

265 TJM, I take your point but I hate that this encourages him. Next thing you know he'll be posting stock market quotes.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 27, 2022 12:43 PM (Y+l9t)

266 Biden is demented but he seemed pretty clear in that statement. Of course he was maybe being boastful (as his nature is) and threatening Russia before they crossed into Ukraine. ... and maybe some advisor made the mistake of telling Joe the real potential response, so Joe just "put it out there" (Joe being Joe).

Since USA is funding most of this war (and DeepState really wanted the war, with their insistence of Ukraine in NATO) ... seems like we would have been advised/consulted if "our side" did it. Globalists wants Russia destroyed or weakened ... idk.

Posted by: illiniwek at September 27, 2022 12:43 PM (Cus5s)

267 Who has the capacity to do this? Us the Russians? Anyone with naval tech or subs? How deep were the pipelines? Divers or drones? Anyhow just being on the seabed isn't secure any longer.

Posted by: USNtakim deplorable still. at September 27, 2022 12:43 PM (q7YwT)

268 ace, you did not even reach for your tinfoil hat before launching into the conspiracy theory.

There are forms for these things, by God!

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 27, 2022 12:43 PM (5r4XQ)

269 Blah blah blah they want to skip class and play pretend activist. No doubt organized by the teachers.
So very tired of these lil' tantrums being treated seriously.
Posted by: Lizzy at September 27, 2022 12:40 PM (7obMn)

Just mark the kids as truant for each day they persist in this.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 27, 2022 12:44 PM (kHUzq)

270 Old CW: "The Europeans are going to freeze to death this winter, and it's the fault of the Russians."

New CW: "The Europeans are going to freeze to death this winter, and it's the fault of the Americans."

Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 27, 2022 12:44 PM (I2/tG)

271 "Who knew we'd get WWIII for Halloween?"

I have been.

Posted by: gp's Dark Energy Acceleration at September 27, 2022 12:44 PM (24fqN)

272 I'm going with, "Germany, because they needed an excuse to halt their shutdown of nuclear reactors."

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at September 27, 2022 12:44 PM (wmDcS)

273
2 twin towers, 2 Nordstream pipelines.

My money's on Islamic terrorists.

Posted by: stu-mick-o-sucks at September 27, 2022 12:44 PM (cAAjW)

274 Could be lousy welds?

Posted by: BignJames at September 27, 2022 12:44 PM (AwYPR)

275 TJM, I take your point but I hate that this encourages him. Next thing you know he'll be posting stock market quotes.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 27, 2022 12:43 PM (Y+l9t)

Or electric cars

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at September 27, 2022 12:44 PM (M+Lyo)

276 This is all just payback for the siege of Leningrad.

Posted by: quantum mechanic at September 27, 2022 12:45 PM (g1EEm)

277 134 Biden regime will poke the Russian bear with a stick until pootie poo feels forced to pop nuculur corn.

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko Solutions at September 27, 2022 12:27 PM (zGaBX)

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"Nucular Corn Pop was a bad dude!"'

Posted by: ShainS -- Go Galt or Go Rome at September 27, 2022 12:45 PM (ylLOx)

278 I would prefer a flying car over WW3.

Posted by: ManBearPig at September 27, 2022 12:45 PM (4ENXK)

279 If you are pinning your hopes on a GOP controlled senate, i have bad news for you.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Christian Nationalist, Defiant! at September 27, 2022 12:45 PM (VtqbX)

280 265 TJM, I take your point but I hate that this encourages him. Next thing you know he'll be posting stock market quotes.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 27, 2022 12:43 PM (Y+l9t)

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People need to get over Joe Xiden. He's a bit antagonistic, sure, but he's not a troll.

I agree with him little, but he's definitely one of us. We all cherry pick our information, and he loves his EV. It's fine. Whatever.

At least he's not trying to sell us lace wigs.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for the Invisible Man with Dracula and Frankenstein's monster at September 27, 2022 12:45 PM (LvTSG)

281 "If these were planted charges, why did they go off so many hours apart? One went off early Monday morning at 2:03 am, the next went off Monday night at 7:04 pm. What kind of timing is that?"

If you were trying to do it deliberately, but wanted ewoks on the case to think the timing did not make sense, wouldn't you do it that way?

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 27, 2022 12:45 PM (5r4XQ)

282 He had a point about the market in the past, but its looking really dire lately, which is why no trolls are talking about it any more. The overall market has dived below the point at which it was when Biden took office. When he was elected, there was a rally based on the Wuhan Flu panic fading and ending, but its been overall downhill since June.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 27, 2022 12:45 PM (Ivdso)

283 I suspect the EU would do this. Italy declaring independence has them spooked. As we have seen, Globo Homo will do anything to keep the thumbscrews in their control.

Posted by: Puddinhead at September 27, 2022 12:45 PM (KY22T)

284 UUVs presumably have like their UAV cousins have become more accessible, cheaper, and civilianized, so it seems possible that anyone could have done it. None of the whodunit speculation here seems persuasive given apparent risk/benefit considerations.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 27, 2022 12:42 PM (OTzUX)

And it's not like the pipeline is a moving target or anything, although I would guess that precision underwater navigation would be a technical challenge that would up the technical competence level away from non-state actors.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur at September 27, 2022 12:45 PM (yHsuS)

285 279 If you are pinning your hopes on a GOP controlled senate, i have bad news for you.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Christian Nationalist, Defiant! at September 27, 2022 12:45 PM (VtqbX)

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I don't think anyone is, except that things slow down a bit at the federal level.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for the Invisible Man with Dracula and Frankenstein's monster at September 27, 2022 12:46 PM (LvTSG)

286 >>Just mark the kids as truant for each day they persist in this.

AND the teachers, suspend them, too. This topic appears to be much more important to them than the majority of the students.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 27, 2022 12:46 PM (7obMn)

287 The thing about preznit talks tough is that when he blowing out bullshit hollow threats like I will end your pipeline and then pipeline goes boom.....he owns no matter who did it because now the propaganda writes itself. Thanks for ww3 Brandon.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at September 27, 2022 12:46 PM (0Qrr3)

288 2 twin towers, 2 Nordstream pipelines.

My money's on Islamic terrorists.

Posted by: stu-mick-o-sucks at September 27, 2022 12:44 PM (cAAjW)

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They should have never let Clock Boy build that fourth explosive device.

Posted by: ShainS -- Go Galt or Go Rome at September 27, 2022 12:46 PM (ylLOx)

289 We all are the jacker of our own threads.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 27, 2022 12:46 PM (5r4XQ)

290 Simply apply Occam's IED.

Posted by: Muldoon at September 27, 2022 12:47 PM (cPDW+)

291 That was my takeaway. The absolute last thing this junta wants is any negotiation with Russia to take place. What it *does* want is war and mass death.
Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at September 27, 2022 12:16 PM (DTX3h)

What it wants is death. War is a means to an end. The WEF has a timetable and the western governments are trying to meet it.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic, Ashli Babbitt/Rosanne Boyland at September 27, 2022 12:47 PM (z99Zw)

292 Blah blah blah they want to skip class and play pretend activist. No doubt organized by the teachers.

I remember the two times we walked out of class and stood around "protesting". I cannot remember either time why we allegedly did it, but the real reason for each and every student was "no class!"

We skipped class because we didn't want to attend class, and this was a convenient excuse.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 27, 2022 12:47 PM (Ivdso)

293 "Dems up big in AZ, PA senate races and latest polls shows Vance losing OH and a toss up in WI. The senate is gone.
The GOP sucks so bad at politics. Partly because their #1 focus is pissing on their base."
Posted by: Joe XiDen at September 27, 2022 12:35 PM (OalnH)

Because if there's anything we know about polling, they're extremely accurate. Personally I don't think the (R)'s should have the majority in the Senate if they're going to let Mitch be leader but they probably will win, believing in polling is like believing in the tooth fairy.

Posted by: lowandslow at September 27, 2022 12:42 PM

Read an article the other day which was most likely posted on the MR that said there are only two polling outfits using likely voters, all of the others are using registered voters. After September 1st everyone should be only using likely voters in polling unless they want to skew the real numbers.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at September 27, 2022 12:47 PM (bVYXr)

294 Why would a pipeline from Russia to Germany be in the North Sea?

********

Meandering
Posted by: Muldoon

Avoiding Poland?
Posted by: Puddleglum at September 27, 2022 12:36 PM (sAmhv)

expansion loop

Posted by: BignJames at September 27, 2022 12:47 PM (AwYPR)

295 Wouldn't need a ship to haul enough explosives to do the damage. A boat, a wessel, seaworthy to travel the distance out would be big enough to carry the explosives.
_Joe Kennedy

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at September 27, 2022 12:47 PM (PAY0n)

296 270:New CW: "The Europeans are going to freeze to death this winter, and it's the fault of the Americans."
Posted by: The ARC of History!

To be fair, this isn't new. They've been doing this for about century, more or less.

Posted by: Puddleglum at September 27, 2022 12:47 PM (sAmhv)

297 go through the North Sea
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Those Scottish pricks!

I knew it!

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at September 27, 2022 12:47 PM (yikp0)

298 Polish welding crews have been trying to fix the damage but they keep drownding.

Posted by: ManBearPig at September 27, 2022 12:48 PM (4ENXK)

299 Its not economically or mechanically feasible for the left to defraud EVERY election, there are too many in too many places. So they have to be strategic about it, and the Senate matters more to them than the house.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 27, 2022 12:48 PM (Ivdso)

300 One would have assumed that if they were not delivering gas, they would have filled it with an inert gas, unless that's more expensive than the natural gas...

Especially if someone is going to be working on it with torches

Posted by: JD at September 27, 2022 12:48 PM (IXlV2)

301 ...the German politician shivered.
Posted by: Furious George at September 27, 2022 12:17 PM (CkFy6)

Nah. They've got direct vents to Hell so they'll stay toasty.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic, Ashli Babbitt/Rosanne Boyland at September 27, 2022 12:48 PM (z99Zw)

302 And what's the cost-of-repair response? Besides the fingerpointing, how long will the repairs take? The least culpable will be the first countries to demand repair of the pipelines whatever the cost. Posted by: mrp at September 27, 2022 12:34 PM (6eRlp)

As I posted on the other thread an got willowed, it's not that difficult to repair a pipeline. Days, if the boats and pipe sections are available, and since they were working on it, they are. OTOH, if you really wanted to put the pipeline out of commission, you would target the compressor stations. Those could take months to repair.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at September 27, 2022 12:48 PM (7B5FA)

303 Honestly, this looks like the work of Ghost Ship.

Posted by: Puddinhead at September 27, 2022 12:48 PM (KY22T)

304 MFers are really trying to kindle WWIII. If this hasn't been said before.

Posted by: RI Red at September 27, 2022 12:48 PM (o33NW)

305 The Russians didn't do it. Putin still wants to sell natural gas to the EU to fill his war budget. He also wants to use the natural gas supply as a lever to force EU/NATO to back off and let him crush Ukraine. I don't know if the CIA did it. "Deniability" is an issue over who did what here. But the junta has no real consideration for the economic well-being of U.S. citizens. I ask if they would have any consideration for EU citizens, as they seek to harm and hinder Putin's Russia in any way they can to escalate the Ukrainian war as a costly diversion from a likely to be more costly election.

Posted by: exdem13 at September 27, 2022 12:48 PM (W+kMI)

306 Who knew that the October Surprise would be blowing up pipelines in Europe?

Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 27, 2022 12:48 PM (I2/tG)

307 hope the saboteurs have their environmental impact statements in order.

Posted by: kulak anachronda at September 27, 2022 12:49 PM (v3pYe)

308 If I tried to put this into a novel, my editor would sent it back with "Not Believable"

Posted by: Tom Clancy at September 27, 2022 12:49 PM (xttsV)

309 294 Why would a pipeline from Russia to Germany be in the North Sea?
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No borders, no enviro quibbling, no digging.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at September 27, 2022 12:49 PM (PAY0n)

310 Which government has the responsibility to repair the pipelines? When does the damage survey begin? Has it begun? Has the US offered to help? What is the EU response? Did the MSM take the week off?

Posted by: mrp at September 27, 2022 12:49 PM (6eRlp)

311 "Because if there's anything we know about polling, they're extremely accurate."

Lotsa "Republicans are gonna lose!" propaganda out there to try to depress R turnout. Ignore it.

Posted by: gp's Dark Energy Acceleration at September 27, 2022 12:49 PM (24fqN)

312 269 Blah blah blah they want to skip class and play pretend activist. No doubt organized by the teachers.
So very tired of these lil' tantrums being treated seriously.
Posted by: Lizzy at September 27, 2022 12:40 PM (7obMn)

Just mark the kids as truant for each day they persist in this.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 27, 2022 12:44 PM (kHUzq)

Totally agree. And any teacher involvement needs to reprimanded. They can do it on their own time.

Posted by: Iris at September 27, 2022 12:49 PM (NaH5I)

313 "If you are pinning your hopes on a GOP controlled senate, i have bad news for you."
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Christian Nationalist, Defiant! at September 27, 2022 12:45 PM (VtqbX)

Win or lose, were not going to get a Senate controlled by people that that even remotely represents the views of its people or states.

Posted by: lowandslow at September 27, 2022 12:49 PM (qH6FZ)

314 MAGA terrorists did it!

Posted by: The Biden Administration! at September 27, 2022 12:50 PM (I2/tG)

315 Wouldn't need a ship to haul enough explosives to do the damage. A boat, a wessel, seaworthy to travel the distance out would be big enough to carry the explosives.
_Joe Kennedy

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at September 27, 2022 12:47 PM (PAY0n)

Anyone seen Jawn Carry's yacht lately?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 27, 2022 12:50 PM (kHUzq)

316 294 Why would a pipeline from Russia to Germany be in the North Sea?
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The North Sea doesn't charge rent.

Posted by: Puddinhead at September 27, 2022 12:50 PM (KY22T)

317 I suspect everyone except garrett, who is mostly interested in adding to his Crocs collection.
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A Croc in every pot! [So you'll need at least two pots.]

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at September 27, 2022 12:50 PM (yikp0)

318 Did watch a Giorgia video with a good rant that would be just as good here on families.

Posted by: Skip's phone at September 27, 2022 12:50 PM (7DG+d)

319

I leak gas all the time. Now I can blame it on the Ruskies!

Posted by: My Pimp Shot My Dealer at September 27, 2022 12:50 PM (f5bDf)

320 One would have assumed that if they were not delivering gas, they would have filled it with an inert gas, unless that's more expensive than the natural gas... Especially if someone is going to be working on it with torches Posted by: JD at September 27, 2022 12:48 PM (IXlV2)

It's common in the industry to store natural gas in pipelines, if for no other reasons than to equalize pressure and because the storage is already paid for.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at September 27, 2022 12:50 PM (7B5FA)

321 Thanks for ww3 Brandon.
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at September 27, 2022 12:46 PM (0Qrr3)
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You know, that's a fair comparison. Biden does have a habit of being a blowhard tough guy.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at September 27, 2022 12:50 PM (5pTK/)

322 If Russia were to take over all of Ukraine what are the objective downsides for the USA ? Both short term and long term.

Posted by: polynikes at September 27, 2022 12:50 PM (ml8cs)

323 Probably a good time to cancel any trip to Europe scheduled for January....

On the other hand, likely to be quite warm! What with the daily riots and burning of cities.

Posted by: Rafal GanGaonwicz at September 27, 2022 12:50 PM (Kbz60)

324 How do we know that it is not Greta Thunberg and those Extinction Rebellion folks

Posted by: SMOD at September 27, 2022 12:50 PM (RHGPo)

325 UDT is going to be state actor. Fact it was non-simultaneous would lead me to guess not US SEALS (we'd use 2 teams and syncronize). Probably same team did both.

Posted by: Farmer Bob at September 27, 2022 12:51 PM (DXJR1)

326 I believe it was the CIA and Ukraine before I believe it was Russia. That is how little I trust our government.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at September 27, 2022 12:51 PM (u4CEu)

327 I wonder how many of those German protestors had marched for "green" energy policies a few years ago.
Posted by: Ultra pj at September 27, 2022 12:20 PM (G1dq6)

And this is why, terrible as it is, my field of fucks continues to lie barren.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic, Ashli Babbitt/Rosanne Boyland at September 27, 2022 12:51 PM (z99Zw)

328 Who has the capacity to do this? Us the Russians? Anyone with naval tech or subs? How deep were the pipelines? Divers or drones? Anyhow just being on the seabed isn't secure any longer.
Posted by: USNtakim deplorable still. at September 27, 2022 12:43 PM (q7YwT)

Third world sailors crewing container ships regularly cut undersea cables using their anchors and stupidity, but mostly stupidity.

Posted by: rd at September 27, 2022 12:51 PM (Z32m1)

329 9 My bet is on the Greens/WEF. Their motto is "Let the peasants freeze"
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I agree, Schwab and the glo-ballists are to blank. MFers.

Posted by: Haywood at September 27, 2022 12:51 PM (fLzDO)

330 Probably done by someone with an interest in hurting Russia and the EU. I don't think it's directly related to the war there.

Posted by: Editor at September 27, 2022 12:51 PM (LJ80m)

331 They're walking out of school in the most liberal part of Virginia because Glenn Youngkin decided that parental consent. . .

Blah blah blah they want to skip class and play pretend activist. No doubt organized by the teachers.
So very tired of these lil' tantrums being treated seriously.
Posted by: Lizzy at September 27, 2022 12:40 PM (7obMn)
When I was in high school I would have welcomed any reason to "walk out" with no punishment. What a treat!

Posted by: LASue at September 27, 2022 12:51 PM (Ed8Zd)

332 Why would a pipeline from Russia to Germany be in the North Sea? The North Sea doesn't charge rent. Posted by: Puddinhead at September 27, 2022 12:50 PM (KY22T)

IIRC when Schroeder stepped down as chancellor he got hired almost immediately by Nord Stream as their vice chairman.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at September 27, 2022 12:51 PM (7B5FA)

333 If Russia were to take over all of Ukraine what are the objective downsides for the USA ? Both short term and long term.

.. the USA would have missed an opportunity to retake Cuba

Posted by: SMOD at September 27, 2022 12:52 PM (RHGPo)

334 To be fair, this isn't new. They've been doing this for about century, more or less.
Posted by: Puddleglum a
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You'd think they would have extra pairs of long john's and sweaters by now.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at September 27, 2022 12:52 PM (PAY0n)

335 If Russia were to take over all of Ukraine what are the objective downsides for the USA ?

"it cuts off our strategic supply of nubile cuties, access to Ukranian banks and investments for money laundering, and graft! Don't you see how this hurts us?"
--Elites

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 27, 2022 12:52 PM (Ivdso)

336 Third world sailors crewing container ships regularly cut undersea cables using their anchors and stupidity, but mostly stupidity.
Posted by: rd at September 27, 2022 12:51 PM (Z32m1)

The pipelines are a bit more durable than cables.

Posted by: Someguy's at September 27, 2022 12:52 PM (VPWcH)

337 Probably a good time to cancel any trip to Europe scheduled for January....

Americans are going to be really unpopular in Europe by then.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 27, 2022 12:52 PM (I2/tG)

338 I am sure Russia blew up the pipelines to remove their leverage. No, this is the US/EU making sure there is no turning back. Green energy now and freezing in the winter soon.

Also, Russia isn't losing badly. They may not being winning as well as they had hope, but they aren't losing.

Posted by: WiNO at September 27, 2022 12:52 PM (WVeiZ)

339 using their anchors and stupidity, but mostly stupidity.
Posted by: rd at September 27, 2022 12:51 PM (Z32m1)
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Hmm, massive anchor, large ship - trolling for pipeline.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at September 27, 2022 12:52 PM (5pTK/)

340 I'm putting a sawbuck on : Crab People.
Posted by: garrett at September 27, 2022 12:25 PM (kE7ZK)

The Sea Monkeys are getting their revenge for decades of their people being shipped around the US to die in the neglected Mason jars of eight-year-old kids.

Posted by: spindrift at September 27, 2022 12:53 PM (h5TKJ)

341 "If you are pinning your hopes on a GOP controlled senate, i have bad news for you."
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Christian Nationalist, Defiant! at September 27, 2022 12:45 PM (VtqbX)
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If the gopE picks up 6-8 seats something might come out of the senate as there are at least 5 republican senators that will vote with the donks on anything major.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at September 27, 2022 12:53 PM (u4CEu)

342 So far the list of suggested culprits mentioned in this thread includes:

The U.S., Russia, Ukraine, ecoterrorists, Muslims, Israel, China, white supremacists, the WEF the Welsh, and aliens

One of these guesses may be correct, but not all of them.

Posted by: Muldoon at September 27, 2022 12:53 PM (cPDW+)

343 UDT is going to be state actor. Fact it was non-simultaneous would lead me to guess not US SEALS (we'd use 2 teams and syncronize). Probably same team did both. Posted by: Farmer Bob at September 27, 2022 12:51 PM (DXJR1)

If we were doing it, we would target the difficult-to-repair pieces of the infrastructure, like the compressor stations. We wouldn't waste our time on the pipe.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at September 27, 2022 12:53 PM (7B5FA)

344 I look at polls every day. I know this is a ridiculous obsession. Last week everything moving in the right direction. Trafalger polls. considered most accurate, all showing Republican challengers in excellent shape with in a couople of points or leading. yesterday I see a post from the NY Times saying Mastriano behind by 12 points, no ads, no money. Today all the polls show everything different. Things do not change overnight.
For accurate info read Rich Baris and Robert Cahaly. Trustworthy sources. All the polling and rhetoric is not going to change the reality of what is happening across the country.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 27, 2022 12:53 PM (Y+l9t)

345 TJM, I take your point but I hate that this encourages him. Next thing you know he'll be posting stock market quotes.
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Or electric cars
Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at September 27, 2022 12:44 PM

He sub-contracted.
Buy Electric Vehicles already, you rubes!

Posted by: Electric Vehicle Guy at September 27, 2022 12:54 PM (xttsV)

346 > Who has the capacity to do this?

Honestly? Pretty much anyone. Any state actor has this capacity and and any group who can bodge together a depth charge and a timer. I think all you would need after that would be a fishing boat, a GPS, and a magnetometer you can drag behind the boat to make sure you're on top of the pipeline.

Posted by: bonhomme at September 27, 2022 12:54 PM (eyxn4)

347 Listen all y'all -- it's sabotage.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at September 27, 2022 12:54 PM (rFqzq)

348 342 So far the list of suggested culprits mentioned in this thread includes:

The U.S., Russia, Ukraine, ecoterrorists, Muslims, Israel, China, white supremacists, the WEF the Welsh, and aliens

One of these guesses may be correct, but not all of them.
Posted by: Muldoon at September 27, 2022 12:53 PM (cPDW+)

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I thought it was my sick 2 year old. He's been on quite a tear recently.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for the Invisible Man with Dracula and Frankenstein's monster at September 27, 2022 12:54 PM (LvTSG)

349 One of these guesses may be correct, but not all of them.
Posted by: Muldoon at September 27, 2022 12:53 PM (cPDW+)

Unless they all happened to show up at the same time, ala the various groups in Life of Brian.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at September 27, 2022 12:54 PM (wmDcS)

350 When will the I stand with Ukraine crowd start adding emjois to there twatter feeds that they also freeze with Germany?

50 million freezing Germans gone take it out on somebody somewhere.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at September 27, 2022 12:54 PM (0Qrr3)

351 322 If Russia were to take over all of Ukraine what are the objective downsides for the USA ? Both short term and long term.

Posted by: polynikes at September 27, 2022 12:50 PM (ml8cs)

Well Ukraine is a nice platform to attack most of Russia's most populated and valuable territory, so if we went to war with Russia in the future that'd be a significant loss of potential operating capabilities. Otherwise, Ukraine is kind of immaterial to us.

Posted by: Someguy's at September 27, 2022 12:54 PM (VPWcH)

352 Wasn't there a Clancy novel about this: The Sum of all Farts ?

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at September 27, 2022 12:54 PM (M+Lyo)

353 The thing is, Biden promising something or making a statement isn't really any sort of proof that the US government can or even wants to do something. The guy just talks out of his rear end and then the spox people run to a mic and correct him.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 27, 2022 12:39 PM (Ivdso)

Which they notably do every time he talks out of line.

How many retractions were made regarding his threat against NS?

Posted by: Methos at September 27, 2022 12:54 PM (kOpft)

354 Because smart milblog . . . .

Article and infographic on Israel Dolphin II sub and possible vertical launch capability.

https://tinyurl.com/5xdr9k6p

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur at September 27, 2022 12:54 PM (yHsuS)

355 The Kremlin has urgently decided to purchase a large batch of potassium iodide, according to the order published on the website of the State Procurement of Russia on Sept. 26. The tender was announced amid threats by Russian dictator Vladimir Putin to use nuclear weapons.

Posted by: SMOD at September 27, 2022 12:55 PM (RHGPo)

356 333 If Russia were to take over all of Ukraine what are the objective downsides for the USA ? Both short term and long term.
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iirc central and western Ukraine is a wheat bread basket and the eastern part is chock full of minerals and carbon based resources.

Probably affects us as our production affects that part of the world.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at September 27, 2022 12:55 PM (PAY0n)

357 Germany should have built the pipiline through the occupied territories and then reunified Prussia.

Posted by: ManBearPig at September 27, 2022 12:55 PM (4ENXK)

358 Why would a pipeline from Russia to Germany be in the North Sea?
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The North Sea doesn't charge rent.
Posted by: Puddinhead at September 27, 2022 12:50 PM (KY22T)

It does not steal gas from the pipeline (cough, *ukraine* cough) and refuse to pay for it.

Posted by: rd at September 27, 2022 12:55 PM (Z32m1)

359 It looks like nordstream goes through the Baltic Sea. Not sure why they say North Sea, unless it crosses some technical boundaries.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Christian Nationalist, Defiant! at September 27, 2022 12:55 PM (VtqbX)

360 342 So far the list of suggested culprits mentioned in this thread includes:

The U.S., Russia, Ukraine, ecoterrorists, Muslims, Israel, China, white supremacists, the WEF the Welsh, and aliens

One of these guesses may be correct, but not all of them.
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You forgot Ghost Ship.

Posted by: Puddinhead at September 27, 2022 12:55 PM (KY22T)

361 If the gopE picks up 6-8 seats something might come out of the senate as there are at least 5 republican senators that will vote with the donks on anything major. Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at September 27, 2022 12:53 PM (u4CEu)

Romney, Collins, and Murkowski will become our Manchin and Synema. The tragic thing about that is that every Democrat senator is stupid, because they all could demand their tribute for their vote.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at September 27, 2022 12:55 PM (7B5FA)

362 NBC I think has announced they will NEVER switch to LVs

wouldn't want to depress the leftists!

meanwhile PLEASE do not listen to Moo Moo re: polling. or anything really but especially not that

Posted by: BlackOrchid at September 27, 2022 12:55 PM (w0NJk)

363 TJM wasn't reversing his SUV anywhere near the pipeline, was he?

Posted by: spindrift at September 27, 2022 12:55 PM (h5TKJ)

364 The U.S., Russia, Ukraine, ecoterrorists, Muslims, Israel, China, white supremacists, the WEF the Welsh, and aliens

One of these guesses may be correct, but not all of them.
Posted by: Muldoon at September 27, 2022 12:53 PM (cPDW+)

Hah you made me think of a cartoon where they all arrive at the pipeline at the same time. So many captions.

Posted by: polynikes at September 27, 2022 12:55 PM (ml8cs)

365 I look at polls every day.

Probably easier on your tummy if you didn't

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 27, 2022 12:56 PM (Ivdso)

366 279 If you are pinning your hopes on a GOP controlled senate, i have bad news for you.
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I have hopes for a GOP majority in the Senate, since there are probably enough pissed off non-Democrat voters to override Democrat cheating, while some young Democrats stay home. Now whether or not McConnell is going to use the new majority to actually control the Senate and have it actually oppose the junta is something to discuss.

Posted by: exdem13 at September 27, 2022 12:56 PM (W+kMI)

367 Can anyone verify the location of Sandy Cheeks during those timeframes? She's a crafty one......

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 27, 2022 12:56 PM (Zz0t1)

368 To my mind, 2.3 is in the realm of hardly able to be felt by humans.
Posted by: Girl Power Sub Commander at September 27, 2022 12:33 PM

Length or girth?

Posted by: Arthur, King of the Britons at September 27, 2022 12:56 PM (a3Q+t)

369 I look at polls every day.

Naughty.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at September 27, 2022 12:57 PM (KFhLj)

370 Whoops. Sorry. Natural gas pipeline rupture.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Christian Nationalist, Defiant! at September 27, 2022 12:57 PM (VtqbX)

371 362 NBC I think has announced they will NEVER switch to LVs

wouldn't want to depress the leftists!

meanwhile PLEASE do not listen to Moo Moo re: polling. or anything really but especially not that

Posted by: BlackOrchid at September 27, 2022 12:55 PM (w0NJk)

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They could switch the guaranteed voters and still get it wrong because they build in assumptions about voting patterns that are all wrong. "The white working class won't turn out because Dobbs depressed their zeal," or something.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for the Invisible Man with Dracula and Frankenstein's monster at September 27, 2022 12:57 PM (LvTSG)

372 There is a wise oft quoted line from a movie that is appropo here. If only I could remember it.

Posted by: Admiral Josh painter at September 27, 2022 12:40 PM (0Qrr3)

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When you heard F. Joe was installed, I think you said "This asshole will get out of control. He will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it." Or something ...

Posted by: ShainS -- Go Galt or Go Rome at September 27, 2022 12:57 PM (ylLOx)

373 If Russia were to take over all of Ukraine what are the objective downsides for the USA ? Both short term and long term.

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It would be like someone breaking into Congress's lock boxes and stealing all the contents.

Posted by: Grudge Harbor at September 27, 2022 12:57 PM (wBpKf)

374 iirc central and western Ukraine is a wheat bread basket and the eastern part is chock full of minerals and carbon based resources.

Probably affects us as our production affects that part of the world.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at September 27, 2022 12:55 PM (PAY0n)

Ukraine's energy resources are pretty small. They are a major grain producer but that puts them in competition with us more than anything else.

Posted by: Someguy's at September 27, 2022 12:57 PM (VPWcH)

375 Meta disables Russia’s anti-Ukraine propaganda targeting Europe

Posted by: SMOD at September 27, 2022 12:57 PM (RHGPo)

376 Remember people, there are lies, damn lies, and polls.

Posted by: exdem13 at September 27, 2022 12:57 PM (W+kMI)

377 I like looking at poles.

Posted by: LadyBug at September 27, 2022 12:57 PM (4ENXK)

378 Listen all y'all -- it's sabotage.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at September 27, 2022 12:54 PM (rFqzq)

You asked for it.......

https://youtu.be/z5rRZdiu1UE

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 27, 2022 12:58 PM (Zz0t1)

379 > I'm going with, "Germany, because they needed an excuse to halt their shutdown of nuclear reactors."

Their timeline was to have the reactor decommissioned by the end of this year. I think that means they can't bring it back up for a while.

Posted by: bonhomme at September 27, 2022 12:58 PM (eyxn4)

380 363 TJM wasn't reversing his SUV anywhere near the pipeline, was he?
Posted by: spindrift at September 27, 2022 12:55 PM (h5TKJ)

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Dolley is mad at me that I damaged our new CX-5 so soon after getting it.

I tried to tell her that I was getting in with the elites, but she just doesn't understand geopolitics.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for the Invisible Man with Dracula and Frankenstein's monster at September 27, 2022 12:58 PM (LvTSG)

381 IIRC when Schroeder stepped down as chancellor he got hired almost immediately by Nord Stream as their vice chairman.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon

Gasprom which owns NS.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 27, 2022 12:58 PM (IyrhE)

382 Given that the Nordstream's announced that they are pro-life, and that they claimed to have evidence that would to put Hillary behind bars--I don't know who the culprit is.

Is it possible the Nordstreams blew themselves up?

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at September 27, 2022 12:58 PM (kfcYC)

383 Old enough to remember natural gas being the cleaner, cheaper, greener alternative. What the hell happened? Made all the wrong people comfortable I guess.

Posted by: jhawk90 at September 27, 2022 12:58 PM (ExMA7)

384 TJM, I take your point but I hate that this encourages him. Next thing you know he'll be posting stock market quotes.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 27, 2022 12:43 PM (Y+l9t)

Err ... yes ... um ... quite ...

that bastard..

*shifty eyes*

Posted by: DJIA Deathwatch at September 27, 2022 12:58 PM (WirFM)

385 I have hopes for a GOP majority in the Senate

And what do you think they will do differently than the D senate is doing now?

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Christian Nationalist, Defiant! at September 27, 2022 12:58 PM (VtqbX)

386 364 The U.S., Russia, Ukraine, ecoterrorists, Muslims, Israel, China, white supremacists, the WEF the Welsh, and aliens

One of these guesses may be correct, but not all of them.
Posted by: Muldoon at September 27, 2022 12:53 PM (cPDW+)

Hah you made me think of a cartoon where they all arrive at the pipeline at the same time. So many captions.
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Anyone think it might be SPECTRE acting through its WEF stalking horse?

Posted by: exdem13 at September 27, 2022 12:58 PM (W+kMI)

387 342 So far the list of suggested culprits mentioned in this thread includes:

The U.S., Russia, Ukraine, ecoterrorists, Muslims, Israel, China, white supremacists, the WEF the Welsh, and aliens

One of these guesses may be correct, but not all of them.
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You forgot Ghost Ship.
Posted by: Puddinhead at September 27, 2022 12:55 PM (KY22T)

or the Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea.

Posted by: Kim Jong-Un, Ain't I A Stinker? at September 27, 2022 12:59 PM (4I/2K)

388 Meta disables Russia’s anti-Ukraine propaganda targeting Europe

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I'm just glad they're not editing or considered a publisher.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at September 27, 2022 12:59 PM (0RhaS)

389
"A reading from a German Centre for Georesearch seismograph on the Danish island of Bornholm shows two spikes, at 0003 and 1700 GMT, followed by a lower-level 'hissing' on the day when the Nord Stream 1 and 2 Baltic gas pipelines sprang leaks one after the other."
Posted by: Thrawn

Have they ruled out any there being any US Navy vessels like, say, a submarine, being in the area and under the con of one or more persons racked with emotional instability about who plays the romantic leads in this week's on board production of "A Streetcar Named Desire"?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at September 27, 2022 12:59 PM (pNxlR)

390 385 I have hopes for a GOP majority in the Senate

And what do you think they will do differently than the D senate is doing now?
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Christian Nationalist, Defiant! at September 27, 2022 12:58 PM (VtqbX)

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Are you forgetting the great theater we're going to get of the failure variety?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for the Invisible Man with Dracula and Frankenstein's monster at September 27, 2022 12:59 PM (LvTSG)

391 Many Nordstreams died to get us these plans.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at September 27, 2022 12:59 PM (yQpMk)

392 So far the list of suggested culprits mentioned in this thread includes:

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The President of the United States literally promised he would do this.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at September 27, 2022 12:59 PM (0RhaS)

393 Don't discount that this was shitty Russian construction combined with something related to shutting down the flow of gas.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at September 27, 2022 12:59 PM (wmDcS)

394 My guess, the Russians. With a dinner pointed at the Ukes. Trying to break the EU.

Posted by: Welcome to Wokistan MFers at September 27, 2022 01:00 PM (2LUbx)

395 The pipeline was asking for it.

Posted by: ManBearPig at September 27, 2022 01:00 PM (4ENXK)

396 Polls are for strippers.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 27, 2022 01:00 PM (Zz0t1)

397 So far the list of suggested culprits mentioned in this thread includes:

The U.S., Russia, Ukraine, ecoterrorists, Muslims, Israel, China, white supremacists, the WEF the Welsh, and aliens

One of these guesses may be correct, but not all of them.
Posted by: Muldoon at September 27, 2022 12:53 PM (cPDW+)

Add Britain, Poland, Sweden, and Norway. All have the capability, and a motive. Example 1: Norway is opening a new natural gas line to Poland tomorrow. Example 2: Poland hates both Germany and Russia after they teamed up to kill millions of poles.

Posted by: rd at September 27, 2022 01:00 PM (Z32m1)

398 375 Meta disables Russia’s anti-Ukraine propaganda targeting Europe
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I'd be okay if Russia puts a hot one up Zuckerberg's ass. Tit for Tat.

Posted by: Puddinhead at September 27, 2022 01:00 PM (KY22T)

399 One would have assumed that if they were not delivering gas, they would have filled it with an inert gas, unless that's more expensive than the natural gas..

How are you going to store $200 million of natural gas? (assuming you were able to suck it back out of the pipeline)

I wonder if they have any valves under the Baltic to isolate the losses. They have to, right?

Posted by: t-bird at September 27, 2022 01:00 PM (Sv58p)

400 GOP control of the Senate means Biden gets even quicker confirmation of his demented, freakish appointments, in the name of Bipartisanship!

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 27, 2022 01:00 PM (Ivdso)

401 MORON BLEG!

We're having HVAC problems.
Low coolant. They claim the coil may be leaking and coolant "switch" is frozen over. the unit is a Tappan, which is over 17 years old. They say the coil needs replacing at a cost of $3500.

The coils is no longer made so putting in a "frankenstein" coil from a different manufacturer is what they would do. or, a new system(!). Roughly, $10K.
Or we can put in coolant and see how long it lasts. Roughly $400.
Okay, so do these prices sound about right for the DFW area?

I was shown pictures of the "rust" around the coils. But, the coils are copper and the "unit" is aluminum. I don't see how there could be rust. Maybe another reddish corrosion?
Anyway, if we choose the worst option which is a new HVAC unit. Who makes the best system? Carrier, Lennox, Trane, Amana(?). Which would you get and why if there's a good reason.

Any and all information would be greatly appreciated.

Posted by: naturalfake at September 27, 2022 01:00 PM (KLPy8)

402 The damage, irregardless of the cause, will help the globalist, pro-war political cabal.

The German government can tell it's subjects that nothing can be done about gas prices, no matter how angry they get or how loud they protest.

Posted by: Lumpy at September 27, 2022 01:00 PM (yX7iI)

403 When I was a pre-schooler, my mom would save time and water by having me and my two brothers bathe at the same time. That picture up top looks like our bathwater after one of us (I blame Rob but it could have been Randy. Wasn't me.) cut loose a natural gas leak.

Posted by: Muldoon at September 27, 2022 01:00 PM (cPDW+)

404 So far the list of suggested culprits mentioned in this thread includes:

The U.S., Russia, Ukraine, ecoterrorists, Muslims, Israel, China, white supremacists, the WEF the Welsh, and aliens

One of these guesses may be correct, but not all of them.
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You forgot Ghost Ship.
Posted by: Puddinhead at September 27, 2022 12:55 PM (KY22T)

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And Sharknado.

Posted by: ShainS -- Go Galt or Go Rome at September 27, 2022 01:01 PM (ylLOx)

405 395 The pipeline was asking for it.
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She was showing too much leg. She deserved what she got. Karma Police.

Posted by: Puddinhead at September 27, 2022 01:01 PM (KY22T)

406 They blew up Nordstrom's?

I suspect Macy's.

Posted by: A Certain Black Lesbian White House Spokesperson at September 27, 2022 01:01 PM (RxA/X)

407 Assuming you mean U.S. units, even as degraded and woke as they've become, that is highly unlikely to be the case.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 27, 2022 12:28 PM (a3Q+t)

Why, back when I was an operator, we snuck into a McDonalds in Moscow and broke their shake machine. Totally undetected. -- Eyepatch McCain

Posted by: I used to have a different nic, Ashli Babbitt/Rosanne Boyland at September 27, 2022 01:01 PM (z99Zw)

408 >>> For accurate info read Rich Baris and Robert Cahaly. Trustworthy sources. All the polling and rhetoric is not going to change the reality of what is happening across the country.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 27, 2022 12:53 PM (Y+l9t)
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Dave in Fla should make another Post to help clear things up.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at September 27, 2022 01:01 PM (PAY0n)

409 Alec Baldwin, 3 Others Could Face Charges Imminently in ‘Rust’ Shooting: ‘Within Weeks, If Not Days’

Alec Baldwin Appears Devastated As He Lists $29 Million Hampton Home Before Facing Possible Criminal Charges Over “Rust” Shooting

Posted by: SMOD at September 27, 2022 01:01 PM (RHGPo)

410 393 Don't discount that this was shitty Russian construction combined with something related to shutting down the flow of gas.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at September 27, 2022 12:59 PM (wmDcS)

If it were once, maybe. It'd be quite coincidental timing but conceivable. This goes beyond plausible coincidence though.

Posted by: Someguy's at September 27, 2022 01:01 PM (VPWcH)

411 We have evidence that will lead to the arrest of Hillary Clinton...

Posted by: Nordstreams I and II at September 27, 2022 01:01 PM (Sv58p)

412 386 364 The U.S., Russia, Ukraine, ecoterrorists, Muslims, Israel, China, white supremacists, the WEF the Welsh, and aliens

One of these guesses may be correct, but not all of them.
Posted by: Muldoon at September 27, 2022 12:53 PM (cPDW+)

Hah you made me think of a cartoon where they all arrive at the pipeline at the same time. So many captions.
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Anyone think it might be SPECTRE acting through its WEF stalking horse?
Posted by: exdem13 at September 27, 2022 12:58 PM (W+kMI)

KAOS! Missed it by thaaaaattt much...

Posted by: Maxwell Smart at September 27, 2022 01:01 PM (oHd/0)

413 I'll tell you how far my distrust of the media has become, when I first read about the Nord Stream pipe incident, I questioned if even happened. They lie like we breathe.

Posted by: lowandslow at September 27, 2022 01:02 PM (qH6FZ)

414 Colonel Klink in the North Sea with a pipe wrench.

Posted by: Just Lily at September 27, 2022 01:02 PM (pIiua)

415 Nood.

Alec Baldwin destroyed the pipeline. He says he didn't realize the bomb was loaded.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic, Ashli Babbitt/Rosanne Boyland at September 27, 2022 01:02 PM (z99Zw)

416 The Biden economic plan is working!!

S&P 500 and DOW hit fresh 52 week lows today. I don't think we can take anymore Biden economic "wins."

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at September 27, 2022 01:02 PM (u4CEu)

417 Alec Baldwin, 3 Others Could Face Charges Imminently in ‘Rust’ Shooting: ‘Within Weeks, If Not Days’

Alec Baldwin Appears Devastated As He Lists $29 Million Hampton Home Before Facing Possible Criminal Charges Over “Rust” Shooting
Posted by: SMOD at September 27, 2022 01:01 PM (RHGPo)

He will move to a non extradition country first.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 27, 2022 01:02 PM (Zz0t1)

418
A scrapper dropped two fully equipped and charged EVs atop the pipeline(s) and wouldn't you know, the damn things caught fire and blowed up.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at September 27, 2022 01:02 PM (pNxlR)

419 Nood is up. Baldwin could be facing charges.

Posted by: Picric at September 27, 2022 01:03 PM (m7R/h)

420 @RyanMaue
The track of #MajorHurricaneIan may still be adjusted to the east or southeast, but the area of extreme winds will be very large and damaging.

Most recent NWS forecast shows gusts 100-120 mph in Tampa Bay extending inland > hurricane force.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 27, 2022 01:03 PM (IyrhE)

421 Chris Wallace’s new CNN show struggled to get any viewers during its Sunday debut, new ratings data shows, according to reports.

Posted by: SMOD at September 27, 2022 01:03 PM (RHGPo)

422 One of these guesses may be correct, but not all of them.

There can be only one...Peruvia!

Posted by: t-bird at September 27, 2022 01:03 PM (Sv58p)

423 406 They blew up Nordstrom's?

I suspect Macy's.
Posted by: A Certain Black Lesbian White House Spokesperson at September 27, 2022 01:01 PM (RxA/X)

It was Gimble's all along...

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at September 27, 2022 01:03 PM (BgMrQ)

424 I don’t understand how there is a gas shortage in a world containing Joe Biden, Jerry Nadler, Stacy Abrams, Chris Christie, and Michael Moore.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus
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Pull my finger...

Posted by: Eric Swalwell at September 27, 2022 01:03 PM (S5jV/)

425 I wonder if they have any valves under the Baltic to isolate the losses. They have to, right? Posted by: t-bird at September 27, 2022 01:00 PM (Sv58p)

Yes. The downside is that the pipe fills up with water, which is heavy to evacuate. On land, it's SOP that if there's a fire, to just shut off the section and let it burn itself out.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at September 27, 2022 01:04 PM (7B5FA)

426 Plus. The Ukes have been hands off internal Russian targets.

Look at the Russian response. When Ukraine has success. The Russians first deny, then call it an accident, then only admit it when social media exposed them. If Russia credits Ukraine right off,v then you know Russia was behind it

Posted by: Welcome to Wokistan MFers at September 27, 2022 01:04 PM (2LUbx)

427 385 I have hopes for a GOP majority in the Senate

And what do you think they will do differently than the D senate is doing now?
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As I inferred in the second half of my statement, which you may or may not have read, that's the real topic to be discussed. The Biden junta has managed to give the GOP the midterms on a plate. What the GOP intends to do with said wins is important.

Posted by: exdem13 at September 27, 2022 01:04 PM (W+kMI)

428 Naturalfake, 17 years is a pretty good run. I replaced a 24 y/o AC and 26 y/o heater a few years ago with a Trane system (replacing Trane) and have had zero problems. It wasn't $10k back then tho. I think $6k for both in 2017.

Posted by: Catherine at September 27, 2022 01:04 PM (ZSsrh)

429 That picture up top looks like our bathwater after one of us (I blame Rob but it could have been Randy. Wasn't me.) cut loose a natural gas leak.

At which point you all laughed uproariously.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 27, 2022 01:04 PM (a3Q+t)

430 He will move to a non extradition country first. Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 27, 2022 01:02 PM (Zz0t1)

It's about time. He promised to move if Bush got reelected.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at September 27, 2022 01:05 PM (7B5FA)

431 carnegie endowment org/politika/87837

Shutting Down Nord Stream Marks the Point of No Return for Russian Gas, by Sergey Vakulenko, 7/09/22

Posted by: Lola at September 27, 2022 01:05 PM (NIYa7)

432 Johnny from Airplane!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 27, 2022 01:05 PM (63Dwl)

433 OTTAWA — The federal government is removing all remaining COVID-19 related travel measures, ending masks on planes, vaccine mandates and the mandatory use of the ArriveCan app.

Posted by: SMOD at September 27, 2022 01:06 PM (RHGPo)

434 @naturalfake

We're in rural Northern AZ, and last time our HVAC was serviced, we were told that -- since it's freon-based -- if it ever needs recharging they'd have to replace the entire unit & system (even piping) for about $10,000 as well ... you know, for the great Ozone Hole Hoax in the Sky.

Posted by: ShainS -- Go Galt or Go Rome at September 27, 2022 01:06 PM (ylLOx)

435 The Ukranians have the ability to conduct underwater demolitions in the North Sea?

I would be more than a little surprised..

You know who has an even bigger stake in stopping Russian NG? Western NG producers. They are selling NG at 4 times the amount they were less than 2 years ago.. and it is costing then not once cent more to produce it..

Gotta love me some windfall profits!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 27, 2022 01:06 PM (2W+1k)

436 >>So far the list of suggested culprits mentioned in this thread includes:

The U.S., Russia, Ukraine, ecoterrorists, Muslims, Israel, China, white supremacists, the WEF the Welsh, and aliens

One of these guesses may be correct, but not all of them.

>>You forgot Ghost Ship.
>>And Sharknado.

Climate change-obsessed tech billionaire (e.g. Samuel Jackson in Kinsman)!!

Posted by: Lizzy at September 27, 2022 01:07 PM (7obMn)

437 I'm no explosives expert, but there are some pictures supposedly of the pipes going around on Twitter and they show the metal of the pipes bent inwards (as if the force came from outside of the pipe). I would think that if the explosion was natural it would originate inside of the pipes, and the metal would be bent outwards. Again, my experience with explosives is very limited so maybe their is someone who can elaborate on what it should actually look like.

Posted by: JTwig at September 27, 2022 01:08 PM (X2egF)

438 How long before Deutschland's Green party members get tarred, feathered and run out of town on a rail?

Likely only in my dreams, unfortunately too many Germans have reached terminal stupidity.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at September 27, 2022 01:08 PM (fs1hN)

439 Hmmm..

Poland and Norway opened a new gas pipeline via Denmark on Tuesday, hailed as a much-needed alternative to Russian-controlled routes. At a ceremony in Poland, Norway’s Energy Minister Terje Aasland said the opening of Baltic Pipe was “a milestone on the important path towards European independence

Posted by: SMOD at September 27, 2022 01:08 PM (RHGPo)

440 Any and all information would be greatly appreciated.
Posted by: naturalfake at September 27, 2022 01:00 PM (KLPy

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Just replaced our units last year due to the same thing. Once any of the coils gets a pinhole in it, you're screwed with an older unit, because they use the old refrigerant that was actually good.

17 years is approaching the useful lifespan of any unit. Usually you'd be lucky to get 20ish years out of them. Our conked out at 21 years.

Once you start bodging them together you're probably buying yourself another 5 years or so, at which point you're replacing it anyway. I live by "Buy once, cry once" and so had them both replaced. One four-ton and one 4.5-ton unit, to the tune of ~$9k each.

Posted by: ballistic - They want you dead or in camps. Prepare accordingly. at September 27, 2022 01:08 PM (oXNqT)

441 Meanwhile the dotard is demanding that gas production be made unresponsive to economic conditions again. "The people demand it!" What was the price of gas in 2020 again?
https://tinyurl.com/ycknz6yw

Posted by: exdem13 at September 27, 2022 01:08 PM (W+kMI)

442 We're in rural Northern AZ, and last time our HVAC was serviced, we were told that -- since it's freon-based -- if it ever needs recharging they'd have to replace the entire unit & system (even piping) for about $10,000 as well ... you know, for the great Ozone Hole Hoax in the Sky.
Posted by: ShainS
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We just had our unit totally replaced and they did not have to change piping. Our pipes are embedded in our slab, so the costs to do so would have been enormous.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 27, 2022 01:09 PM (2W+1k)

443 I'm going with, "Germany, because they needed an excuse to halt their shutdown of nuclear reactors."

Their timeline was to have the reactor decommissioned by the end of this year. I think that means they can't bring it back up for a while.
Posted by: bonhomme at September 27, 2022 12:58 PM (eyxn4)

Latest is Germany is running them until April. Want to bet they are running at 50% output by March?

They will need to be refueled, and NO, Germany has not ordered any new fuel. They may be able to get new nuclear fuel in a year or two, if they started ordering it yesterday. Those European reactors are F---ed! for years!

They need new fuel, likely major new parts and refurbishments too. Want to bet they cannibalized parts from shutdown plants to maintain the operating plants? We regularly did that here in the US.

Posted by: rd at September 27, 2022 01:09 PM (Z32m1)

444 NYC Mayor Adams flies to Puerto Rico to help hurricane-hit isle

.. sure

Posted by: SMOD at September 27, 2022 01:09 PM (RHGPo)

445 433 OTTAWA — The federal government is removing all remaining COVID-19 related travel measures, ending masks on planes, vaccine mandates and the mandatory use of the ArriveCan app.
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I can finally return to visit America's Hat. Unfortunately Trudeau and his voters f*d the country up enough that I'm not sure I want to visit.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at September 27, 2022 01:10 PM (fs1hN)

446 >>OTTAWA — The federal government is removing all remaining COVID-19 related travel measures, ending masks on planes, vaccine mandates and the mandatory use of the ArriveCan app.

And what about the truckers - still required to be vaccinated? Is Trudeau just going to slide past that scandal, pretend like he and his government didn't destroy the livelihoods and steal the bank accounts of those who defied his earlier order?

Posted by: Lizzy at September 27, 2022 01:11 PM (7obMn)

447 It's not like they would be looking for sunken treasure. They know exactly where it is.
The maps and specs are out there and the technology to zero in on the target (pipeline).

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at September 27, 2022 01:11 PM (PAY0n)

448 #359 Yeah; it looks like north of Copenhagen through the straits there would be technically North Sea but all of south of there looks pretty clearly Baltic. Maybe it's something stupid like a dotted line from the Danish island south of Sweden is the divider??

https://tinyurl.com/bdh698hv

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at September 27, 2022 01:11 PM (yikp0)

449 We just had our unit totally replaced and they did not have to change piping. Our pipes are embedded in our slab, so the costs to do so would have been enormous.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 27, 2022 01:09 PM (2W+1k)

Replace the pipes YET. The new refrigerants are more corrosive than the old. Good luck.

Posted by: rd at September 27, 2022 01:11 PM (Z32m1)

450 A reading from a German Centre for Georesearch seismograph on the Danish island of Bornholm shows two spikes,

My grandfather legally immigrated from Bornholm. Small world

Posted by: clutch at September 27, 2022 01:13 PM (9UmRs)

451 I was shown pictures of the "rust" around the coils. But, the coils are copper and the "unit" is aluminum. I don't see how there could be rust. Maybe another reddish corrosion?
Anyway, if we choose the worst option which is a new HVAC unit. Who makes the best system? Carrier, Lennox, Trane, Amana(?). Which would you get and why if there's a good reason.

Any and all information would be greatly appreciated.
Posted by: naturalfake at September 27, 2022 01:00 PM (KLPy

I replaced my whole unit w/Trane sys...good warranty, $8k about 6 years ago. The "contractor grade" original unit only lasted about 6 years..."Goodman" I think...coil corrosion like your description.

Posted by: BignJames at September 27, 2022 01:14 PM (AwYPR)

452 Any and all information would be greatly appreciated.
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Trane is a bit pricey up front but they really are good units. I've seen carriers last a long time, too. Good luck.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at September 27, 2022 01:14 PM (kdaxe)

453 "OT, WTF? You have to make an appt to renew your driver license here. On hold for 15min and their first available is Oct. 27. Bday is next week."

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I had the same situation in Illinois, couldn't get an appointment (online reservation system never showed anything available) so I just showed up in person at the DMV at a non-busy time and they accommodated me. Got lucky I guess.

Posted by: Bigsmith at September 27, 2022 01:17 PM (FS7lC)

454 >>> "The white working class won't turn out because Dobbs depressed their zeal," or something.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for the Invisible Man with Dracula and Frankenstein's monste
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Two groups, liars or fools who believe the lies.
Honesty comes from the main stream so rare one can't believe it's true.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at September 27, 2022 01:23 PM (PAY0n)

455 I have a feeling we going to look back at the chain of events this causes and wonder why this post didn't rate a flaming skull.

Posted by: Diesel Jones, Biologist at September 27, 2022 01:24 PM (Vu7A1)

456 Most likely culprit - Poland.

Look, Biden is belligerent but incompetent. Ukraine has no access to the black sea, and has their hands full.

Poland, Latvia, and Finland have been informed that they are next on Russia's list. All three have strongly supported Ukraine in the fight. And all three have been strongly against the Russian gas lines. Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki strongly opposed it.

Means (Poland has ships and access to the Baltic Sea), motive (they were against it, and fear it increases the chance Poland will be invaded), and opportunity (right off their coast, nobody watching). Poland has all three.

Posted by: Inspector kemp at September 27, 2022 01:25 PM (+DS2f)

457 Industrial Metals Ukraine ranks:
1st in Europe in proven recoverable uranium ore reserves;
2nd in Europe in titanium ore reserves;
2nd in the world (12%) in explored reserves of manganese ore reserves;
2nd in the world in iron ore reserves;
2nd in Europe in mercury ore reserves;
3rd in Europe in shale gas reserves;
4th in the world by the total value of natural resources;
7th in the world in coal reserves;
10th in the world in titanium ore reserves;
13th in the world in shale gas reserves.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at September 27, 2022 01:26 PM (PAY0n)

458 If Russia were to take over all of Ukraine what are the objective downsides for the USA ? Both short term and long term.

Posted by: polynikes at September 27, 2022 12:50 PM (ml8cs)
........

Uglier mail order brides?

Posted by: wth at September 27, 2022 01:26 PM (v0R5T)

459 8 companies make 24 brands.. they just rename them depending what price point they are trying to sell at.

Our contractor told us they have bins with boxes of logos at the warehouse. They slap on the logo they are selling that day to the exact same unit that might sell for thousands more.

This dealer describes the practice:

https://tinyurl.com/2e59xhzf

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 27, 2022 01:27 PM (2W+1k)

460 IN the cold war the US Navy had an op wherein they *physically* tapped Soviet under-sea communication cables in the Black Sea. Periodically they sent in a sub to maintain the recording gear and bring out the recorded intel.

This was in USSR territorial waters. Risky as hec.

So yeah our guys could have done it, but you'd have never been able to detect it on a seismograph.

I also note this event has had ZERO effect on natgas futures.

My guess, US not the culprit.

Posted by: CZ=FNG, Free Republic of Florida at September 27, 2022 01:28 PM (MkuC5)

461 Agriculture Ukraine is: _ 1st in Europe in arable land area; 3rd in the world (25%) in area of black soil;
1st in the world in exports of sunflower and sunflower oil;2nd in the world in barley production;
4th in the world in barley exports; _3rd in the world in production of corn; _4th in the world in corn exports;
7th in the world in soybean production _4th in the world in potato production; _ 5th in the world in rye production; _ 5th in the world in bee production;
8th in the world in wheat exports;
9th in the world in production of chicken eggs;
16th in the world in cheese exports

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at September 27, 2022 01:29 PM (PAY0n)

462 Here's another link that says only 5 manufacturers make 24 brands of HVAC!

https://tinyurl.com/2fzp6lg9

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 27, 2022 01:30 PM (2W+1k)

463 Ukraine ranks: _ 1st in Europe in ammonia production;
3rd in Europe in installed capacity of nuclear power plants; _3rd in Europe in rail network length;
3rd in the world in production of locators and locating equipment; _ 3rd in the world in exportation of iron;
4th largest natural gas pipeline system in the world;
4th in the world in exporting turbines for nuclear power plants; _ 4th in the world in manufacturing of rocket launchers; _ 4th in the world in clay exports;
4th in the world in titanium exports;
8th in the world in exports of ores and concentrates;
8th in the world in installed capacity of nuclear power plants;
9th in the world in exports of defense industry products;
10th in the world in steel production;
11th in the world in rail network length.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at September 27, 2022 01:31 PM (PAY0n)

464 Nood, something.

Posted by: CZ=FNG, Free Republic of Florida at September 27, 2022 01:33 PM (MkuC5)

465 Ukraine is not lazy crooks
Ukraine is busy crooks
Numbers show why Mr. Putin wants Ukraine in his loving arms. Ukraine crooks do much better than big mother Russia.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at September 27, 2022 01:34 PM (PAY0n)

466 We're in rural Northern AZ, and last time our HVAC was serviced, we were told that -- since it's freon-based -- if it ever needs recharging they'd have to replace the entire unit & system (even piping) for about $10,000 as well ... you know, for the great Ozone Hole Hoax in the Sky.
Posted by: ShainS

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That's complete BS. Old Freon is recycled and is still readily available, albeit expensive.

Posted by: Bigsmith at September 27, 2022 01:37 PM (FS7lC)

467 -----------------------
That's complete BS. Old Freon is recycled and is still readily available, albeit expensive.
Posted by: Bigsmith
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Price filling up your unit with recycled freon and you'll be ready for a new unit.
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Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at September 27, 2022 01:40 PM (PAY0n)

468 464 Ukraine ranks:... Thus, the United Steel workers involvement and support.

Posted by: Lola at September 27, 2022 01:55 PM (NIYa7)

469 The best new A/C system one you can get is the cheapest one. Shop around. You might find someone willing to put in just a new outdoor unit but I doubt it. Get at least 3 quotes from contractors that have been around for a few years. Check Yelp for reviews.

Posted by: pawn at September 27, 2022 01:55 PM (kYVzH)

470 nood

Posted by: Lord Percy at September 27, 2022 01:59 PM (iSbhf)

471 should Germany continue to be dependent on Russian fossil fuels? or make a clean break and hurt in the short term?

Posted by: paul at September 27, 2022 02:02 PM (9f7IQ)

472 I don't want to be played by Ukraine, but I also don't want my not-wanting-to-be-played-by-Ukraine to make me open to being played by Russia, either.
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fuck'em both

Posted by: tommylotto at September 27, 2022 02:02 PM (6QQM8)

473 Torpedoed. Right in the nord.

Posted by: boynsea at September 27, 2022 02:04 PM (cx155)

474 Classic cui bono, and to my way of thinking it isn't Russia. That leaves only a limited number of nation-states capable of this level of sabotage, including us. And I'm not happy about that prospect.

Posted by: Syracuse1989 at September 27, 2022 02:34 PM (exm8+)

475 451 Who makes the best system? Carrier, Lennox, Trane, Amana(?). Which would you get and why if there's a good reason.

We replaced a Carrier with another Carrier in 2016 for 8k.The old one lasted 25 years and we haven't had any problems with our current one.

Don't know much about other brands except York. A friend has had problems with his.

Posted by: Editor at September 27, 2022 02:44 PM (LJ80m)

476 Four points worth making:

1. The Danish island of Bornholm is actually closer to Sweden, Germany, and Poland than to any other part of Denmark, so the explosions were further east than you might be thinking.

2. By an amazing coincidence, there is another pipeline passing near Bornholm which officially opened today, though the gas isn't supposed to start flowing until Saturday, the 1st. It crosses the Russian pipelines and will bring Norway's abundant supplies of natural gas across the Baltic to Poland, from which some will be piped on to other countries. That will greatly ease the gas shortage the Russians and someone else (?) have created in Europe by first cutting off the NordStream pipelines and then blowing them up.

That's a point in favor of thinking the Russians blew up their own pipelines. If they weren't planning to reopen them, and they are planning to blow up the Norway-Poland pipeline to really screw the West, blowing up their own makes a good alibi: "Whoever blew up theirs must be the same ones who blew up ours, we couldn't possibly have wanted to blow up ours, therefore someone else must have blown up theirs (probably the US or Ukraine), QED."

1/2

Posted by: Dr. Weevil at September 27, 2022 03:04 PM (p6eON)

477 Cont'd from #476:

3. Ukraine has almost nothing in the way of a navy, and certainly no submarines - Russia stole their navy when they stole Crimea. Super-fit young Ukrainian men with a military bearing renting boats in a Baltic seaport, hauling heavy footlockers aboard, and going out without any local guides in the middle of the night would likely have attracted attention. So, US did it for Ukraine? Conceivable. Ukraine did it themselves? Incredible.

4. Another plausible suspect: China. (Not my idea: somebody on Twitter said it first.) Thanks to sanctions, they're already getting plenty of oil from Russia at half the world market price. Doing the same for the price of natural gas would really help them out, while screwing Russia, Germany, and all the rest of Europe. It's a win-win-win. Would blowing up the Norway-Poland pipeline help them, too? Hard to tell.

2/2

Posted by: Dr. Weevil at September 27, 2022 03:16 PM (p6eON)

478 When I was active duty fifty years ago, a shaped-charge version of det cord was available. Blow up stuff nice.
From which I presume it is now commercially available, or criminally available and in improved models.
225' is pretty deep and considered in some cases a "technical" dive and verging on dangerous. Which means a professional diver with extensive training working at 300' could get down there. Don't need official for anything.
Water being incompressible, you don't need as much explosive power to do damage as in the air. Still, blowing a hole in a curved surface would take less power with a shaped charge and thus less stuff to haul around than just a pile of Semtex or something. So a turn or two around the pipeline and off you go to decompress and the whole operation has a smaller footprint. And that's from a surface craft.
The smaller the necessary operation, the larger the roster of capable suspects.

Posted by: Richard Aubrey at September 27, 2022 03:39 PM (dSnnl)

479 I don't see why Ace is complaining. The line for LNG tankers starts at Hackberry, Louisiana. It's cheaper, both in treasure and blood, for the Europeans but they might have to ram boats filled with Russian funded environmentalists to get it. Win win!

Posted by: hurricane567 at September 27, 2022 04:26 PM (3Hu8O)

480 The Russians developed special sea bed crawling submersibles years ago. Guess what purpose they were intended for?

Posted by: A. Landmesser at September 27, 2022 04:29 PM (EcD5Y)

481 Plenty of reasonable suspects: Russia, Poland, China, US top the list IMO.

Russia: see #476
Poland: see #456
China: see #477
US: see #60

there had better be good security on that new Norway/Poland pipeline.

Posted by: DenverGregg at September 27, 2022 04:39 PM (Is0+m)

482 Might want to withhold judgement on cause till someone in oil/gas industry has technical input. Do we have experience in what happens to pipeline integrity when valves shut off on large scale? Could be the leaks are from doing something stupid, as opposed to something malicious. Maybe?

Posted by: Charlotte at September 27, 2022 05:14 PM (slxQi)

483 Who benefits? This prevents any negotiated settlement that allows the Russians to renew sending natural gas to Europe quickly.

Who would want to sabotage peace talks? Who did it in the past?

Who wants Europe to freeze this winter? Who is trying to reset the European civilization?

Hmmmmmm.

Posted by: ruralcounsel at September 27, 2022 05:20 PM (96wFa)

484 This looks like a job for
Bart Mancuso's Boat!

Gosh, I miss those guys.

Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at September 27, 2022 05:25 PM (x61Im)

485 Blowing up Nord Stream 2 makes perfect sense once we remember that our current president is actually Barack Hussein Obama. Nobody ever hated America as much as Obama. Of course there is nothing he would love more than a nuclear war between the U.S. and Russia.

First, it would be a great excuse to steal another election. Can’t ask Americans to go in person to vote when there are tactical nuclear exchanges going on. It’ll have to be another mail-in election, which Dems have already proved they can steal.

Posted by: Alec Rawls at September 27, 2022 05:42 PM (wh9C3)

486 "Who makes the best system? Carrier, Lennox ...?" (471)

I replaced mine with a Goodman 2-stage. Goodman is a less expensive brand, but seems to be well made. I especially liked the 2-stage feature.

My old single stage system would come on full fan and full heat, quickly bring the house up to temp, then shut off. Very uneven. Wind-noise-hot, then dropping to cold, wind-noise-hot, drop to cold.

Posted by: Alec Rawls at September 27, 2022 07:29 PM (wh9C3)

487 Russia did not sabotage its pipeline that they spent billion to make!. All they have to do is turn it off. You would have to be stupid to suggest that. It's Germany that's holding up the gas, of Russia buy honestly I w5not blame Russia because Germany is sending weapons to Ukraine to kill Russians but saying keep the gas on Russia while we war against you.

Posted by: Mary at September 27, 2022 07:30 PM (j1m71)

488 ... With the advent of electronic controls it is trivial to implement a 2-stage system just using an old analog thermostat. Stage 1 just starts up at half-fan, half-heat, and if the thermostat is still issuing a call for heat 10 or 15 minutes later, stage 2 comes on full-fan full-heat.

Smoothed out my heating so it was barely noticeable. When it's just starting to get cold outside the heater never gets out of the first (half-heat) stage.

Actually my house remains on first stage pretty much all winter. If a house is decently insulated, it doesn't take a lot of heat to keep it up to temperature. The second stage only needs to come into play when it is really cold out.

So don't go super cheap and get an old fashioned single stage. 2-stage units are hardly more expensive and are much better.

Posted by: Alec Rawls at September 27, 2022 07:30 PM (wh9C3)

489 You guys need to turn off your paid programmed news. Today the Donboss overwhelming voted to join the Russian Federation. No one was Forced. Go see Patrick Lancaster, Eva Bartlett in you tube. The media is too dishonest a d Zelensky cancelled media a long time ago. Russia is already building apartments there. As a US citizen you.need to know US NATO are supporting a nazi regime in Ukraine. The people of Donboss have been slaughtered for 8 years by Ukraine military. There is no civil war. US NATO want to destroy Russia so they provoke Russia. Ukraine military is,decimated thanks to Biden, Boris Johnson. They could care labout people of Ukraine or Russia. Zelensky is controlled by Washington and nazis. Now US NATO military are operating very advanced technology that takes years to train on. US NATO want to provoke Russia to use nuclear. Russia is nit going to Saratoga a billions of dollars investment. Russia gas a right to sell gas to anyone, it's not US business. US is threatening countries that don't sanction Russia by sanctions on them. My government is out of control
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Posted by: Mary at September 27, 2022 07:42 PM (j1m71)

490 You guts do know that Europe was going to freeze this winter. Not because if putin. He is supplying gas but Germany foolishly canceled their nuclear, coal. They are already chopping wood.UK has a major increase in utilities and food crisis. A majority can't afford either

Posted by: Mary at September 27, 2022 07:47 PM (j1m71)

491 Godzilla vs Mothra?

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Posted by: April Thornton at September 28, 2022 08:28 AM (Tt0XF)

493 i have been working in a very large refinery for the last 42 years. i can tell you that pipelines rupturing like that are very rare. the odds of 2 of them rupturing days apart? i said i work in an oil refinery. i'm not a statistician or rocket scientist

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Nord Stream Pipelines 1 and 2, Which Carry Russian Natural Gas to Germany, Leaking Into the North Sea;Sabotage Strongly Suspected

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Nord Stream Pipelines 1 and 2, Which Carry Russian Natural Gas to Germany, Leaking Into the North Sea;
Sabotage Strongly Suspected