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John Solomon: The White House Claimed It Had No Prior Knowledge of the Raid on Donald Trump's House.
The White House, Once Again, Lied.

They're just worried about democracy and norms and truth.


Long before it professed no prior knowledge of the raid on Donald Trump's estate, the Biden White House worked directly with the Justice Department and National Archives to instigate the criminal probe into alleged mishandling of documents, allowing the FBI to review evidence retrieved from Mar-a-Lago this spring and eliminating the 45th president's claims to executive privilege, according to contemporaneous government documents reviewed by Just the News.


The memos show then-White House Deputy Counsel Jonathan Su was engaged in conversations with the FBI, DOJ and National Archives as early as April, shortly after 15 boxes of classified and other materials were voluntarily returned to the federal historical agency from Trump's Florida home.

By May, Su conveyed to the Archives that President Joe Biden would not object to waiving his predecessor's claims to executive privilege, a decision that opened the door for DOJ to get a grand jury to issue a subpoena compelling Trump to turn over any remaining materials he possessed from his presidency.

The machinations are summarized in several memos and emails exchanged between the various agencies in spring 2022, months before the FBI took the added unprecedented step of raiding Trump's Florida compound with a court-issued search warrant.

The most complete summary was contained in a lengthy letter dated May 10 that acting National Archivist Debra Steidel Wall sent Trump's lawyers summarizing the White House's involvement.


"On April 11, 2022, the White House Counsel's Office -- affirming a request from the Department of Justice supported by an FBI letterhead memorandum -- formally transmitted a request that NARA provide the FBI access to the 15 boxes for its review within seven days, with the possibility that the FBI might request copies of specific documents following its review of the boxes," Wall wrote Trump defense attorney Evan Corcoran.

That letter revealed Biden empowered the National Archives and Records Administration to waive any claims to executive privilege that Trump might assert to block DOJ from gaining access to the documents.

...

The memos provide the most definitive evidence to date of the current White House's effort to facilitate a criminal probe of the man Joe Biden beat in the 2020 election and may face again as a challenger in 2024. That involvement included eliminating one of the legal defenses Trump might use to fight the FBI over access to his documents.

Read the whole thing. Solomon also discusses the absurdity of a later hostile president "waiving" a previous president's executive privilege, which effectively destroys executive privilege -- does Joe Biden believe he'll have executive privilege later?

I mean, yes, he'll be dead, but his staffers won't have it either.

Of course, what they're counting on is that the courts rule that all of this was illegal, thereby protecting executive privilege in the future while permitting it to be suspended for Trump only.

In the WSJ, David B. Rivkin Jr. and Lee A. Casey argue persuasively that the Presidential Records Act give Trump the right to access his own papers, thereby nullifying the crap bullshit the FBI got their warrant on.

He has a specific right to his papers which trumps any more general law about papers.

The warrant authorized the FBI to seize "all physical documents and records constituting evidence, contraband, fruits of crime, or other items illegally possessed in violation of 18 U.S.C. [section] 793, 2071, or 1519" (emphasis added). These three criminal statutes all address the possession and handling of materials that contain national-security information, public records or material relevant to an investigation or other matters properly before a federal agency or the courts.

The materials to be seized included "any government and/or Presidential Records created between January 20, 2017, and January 20, 2021"--i.e., during Mr. Trump's term of office. Virtually all the materials at Mar-a-Lago are likely to fall within this category. Federal law gives Mr. Trump a right of access to them. His possession of them is entirely consistent with that right, and therefore lawful, regardless of the statutes the FBI cites in its warrant.

Bold is my emphasis.


Those statutes are general in their text and application. But Mr. Trump's documents are covered by a specific statute, the Presidential Records Act of 1978. It has long been the Supreme Court position, as stated in Morton v. Mancari (1974), that "where there is no clear intention otherwise, a specific statute will not be controlled or nullified by a general one, regardless of the priority of enactment." The former president's rights under the PRA trump any application of the laws the FBI warrant cites.

The PRA dramatically changed the rules regarding ownership and treatment of presidential documents. Presidents from George Washington through Jimmy Carter treated their White House papers as their personal property, and neither Congress nor the courts disputed that....


The PRA lays out detailed requirements for how the archivist is to administer the records, handle privilege claims, make the records public, and impose restrictions on access. Notably, it doesn't address the process by which a former president's records are physically to be turned over to the archivist, or set any deadline, leaving this matter to be negotiated between the archivist and the former president.

The PRA explicitly guarantees a former president continuing access to his papers. Those papers must ultimately be made public, but in the meantime--unlike with all other government documents, which are available 24/7 to currently serving executive-branch officials--the PRA establishes restrictions on access to a former president's records, including a five-year restriction on access applicable to everyone (including the sitting president, absent a showing of need), which can be extended until the records have been properly reviewed and processed. Before leaving office, a president can restrict access to certain materials for up to 12 years.

In other words, the papers must eventually be made public, presumably in an archives or presidential library, but the president may keep them private for five years or even up to 12 years, under some circumstances.

What business did the deranged leftwing Archivist have insisting that Trump's papers must be made immediately available for public inspection?

The only exceptions are for National Archives personnel working on the materials, judicial process, the incumbent president and Congress (in cases of established need) and the former president himself....

Nothing in the PRA suggests that the former president's physical custody of his records can be considered unlawful under the statutes on which the Mar-a-Lago warrant is based.

...

Nothing is said about the former president himself, but applying these general criminal statutes to him based on his mere possession of records would vitiate the entire carefully balanced PRA statutory scheme. Thus if the Justice Department's sole complaint is that Mr. Trump had in his possession presidential records he took with him from the White House, he should be in the clear, even if some of those records are classified.

And there's a big question whether they were classified: Trump says he signed an executive order declassifying any paper he took with him to read. The Biden Administration and the insubordinate Deep State keeps playing a game of "I veto that!," but we only have one president at a time, and if Trump did that, then they're declassified. No matter what Deep State thinks about it, or what Biden thinks about it subsequently.

Via Debra Heine, here's the deranged leftwing Archivist:

archivistpelosi.jpg

She says that there's only one page of photos of him in the Getty Archives, 57 in total, but that seven of these photos are with Pelosi.

So he's a fan!

Mollie Hemwingway recommends this article about "Vindman 2.0" by Margot Cleveland.



Mollie
@MZHemingway

I can not recommend enough that people read about this Vindman 2.0 character out of National Archives

margotclevelandtitle.png

I've excerpted a part of that before, but the whole thing is worth a read. This partisan bureaucrat just kept pitching the DOJ on the need to investigate Trump for having papers -- "What the hell's in those boxes?!" he admits to exclaiming -- and the partisan DOJ only needed a pretext.

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Posted by: Ace at 03:48 PM




Comments

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1 first.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at August 23, 2022 03:48 PM (bVYXr)

2 And bold.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at August 23, 2022 03:48 PM (bVYXr)

3 Does this go on the lie counter?

Trump's lie counter?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 23, 2022 03:48 PM (LvTSG)

4 I'm guessing the DOJ is using the "possession is nine tenths of the law" rule.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 23, 2022 03:49 PM (5pTK/)

5 Of course.

You'd be nuts to think that Garland would raid Trump's estate without clearing it with the White House first.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 23, 2022 03:49 PM (I2/tG)

6 teh Bidet lied, the country died.

Posted by: kallisto at August 23, 2022 03:50 PM (dCxaZ)

7

Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 23, 2022 03:50 PM (I2/tG)

8 Huh, I didn't think my statement was that bold.

I'll take it, however.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 23, 2022 03:50 PM (5pTK/)

9 Don't let it get lost that an ACTING librarian revoked the President of the United States' executive privilege for the first time in American history. An acting librarian is more powerful than the POTUS.

There is no deep state. There is only the State.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Norway only has EVs because the government has guns at August 23, 2022 03:50 PM (V2MMz)

10 Load. Reload. Crash.

Posted by: NCKate at August 23, 2022 03:50 PM (2oJif)

11 And today's newest leak is the DOJ saying it doesn't matter if none of the documents were classified or not, when considering a prosecution for violation of the Presidential Records Act.

I shit you not.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 23, 2022 03:50 PM (moLIP)

12 11 And today's newest leak is the DOJ saying it doesn't matter if none of the documents were classified or not, when considering a prosecution for violation of the Presidential Records Act.

I shit you not.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 23, 2022 03:50 PM (moLIP)

========

But Obama, Clinton, and W have no worries.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 23, 2022 03:51 PM (LvTSG)

13 Well, hello there Mr. Vindman!

Posted by: Moonbeam at August 23, 2022 03:51 PM (rbKZ6)

14 And today's newest leak is the DOJ saying it doesn't matter if none of the documents were classified or not, when considering a prosecution for violation of the Presidential Records Act.

I shit you not.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 23, 2022 03:50 PM

Weird when the Presidential Records Act is a civil law and has no criminal statute associated with it.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at August 23, 2022 03:52 PM (bVYXr)

15 And today's newest leak is the DOJ saying it doesn't matter if none of the documents were classified or not, when considering a prosecution for violation of the Presidential Records Act.

*

They're classified NOW, and that's what matters.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Norway only has EVs because the government has guns at August 23, 2022 03:52 PM (V2MMz)

16 This is flaming skull worthy. I am so sick of this egregious lawlessness that is just allowed to go on and on and on and on, as long as it targets Trump or those in his orbit.

Posted by: Lady in Black at August 23, 2022 03:53 PM (sVtYq)

17 Joe Biden, by contrast, will assert "Presidential Privilege" over Hunter's hard drive and business records, and the deep state will defend him tooth and nail

Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 23, 2022 03:53 PM (moLIP)

18 You know what would be shocking? If the fucking white house actually said something that wasn't a fucking lie.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at August 23, 2022 03:54 PM (QSjkU)

19 Bet the house the White House Puppeteers knew it,
Sundowner? Wouldn't doubt they kept him in the dark

Posted by: Skip at August 23, 2022 03:54 PM (k8B25)

20 Who runs the White House?

Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 23, 2022 03:54 PM (44ww/)

21 2017: You can't investigate a presidential candidate even after the head of the FBI admitted she broke the law!

2020: You can't investigate a presidential candidate even after you have a hard drive full of him taking bribes and him on audio blackmailing foreign leaders.

2022: Of course you can raid a former president's home because there is a disagreement on paperwork. NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW

Posted by: 18-1 at August 23, 2022 03:54 PM (ESjRY)

22 I begged someone to get that article from out behind the WSJ paywall and Chuy just....delivered. Bravo sir.

Posted by: motionview, a National Divorcee at August 23, 2022 03:54 PM (c86jt)

23 20 Who runs the White House?
Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 23, 2022 03:54 PM (44ww/)

========

I'd take Master Blaster.

Master Blaster had a solid grasp of energy policy.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 23, 2022 03:54 PM (LvTSG)

24 Fucking Clown world. 🤡

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 23, 2022 03:54 PM (89T5c)

25 This is why I continually say that everyone in DC is on the same side, regardless of status or stature. Every last one of them is on the Democrats' side, and every last one of them hates Trump with the fury of a nova because he is not "of them." Obama was a rabid communist & they couldn't suck him off frequently enough.

What does that say about DC?

Posted by: Mr. Fabulist at August 23, 2022 03:54 PM (GTsyt)

26 Well, we knew it was a lie to begin with.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 23, 2022 03:55 PM (HJDAV)

27 After Trump wins in court, nothing will happen.

To anyone.

Posted by: I'll ruin the ending for you at August 23, 2022 03:55 PM (9FBGz)

28 Posted by: 18-1 at August 23, 2022 03:54 PM (ESjRY)

--

Excellent summation. It's simply unbelievable.

Posted by: Lady in Black at August 23, 2022 03:55 PM (sVtYq)

29 I'm beginning to think the entire Federal Civil Service needs to fired, just on general principle.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 23, 2022 03:55 PM (moLIP)

30 Probably already been mentioned, but Pelosi’s pupils are dilated in that pic.

Posted by: Miss Issippi at August 23, 2022 03:55 PM (zjVy3)

31 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 23, 2022 03:56 PM (Zz0t1)

32 20 Who runs the White House?
Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 23, 2022 03:54 PM (44ww/)

We would be a shitload better off if it was MasterBlaster.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at August 23, 2022 03:56 PM (QSjkU)

33 Which one is Pelosi?

Posted by: motionview, a National Divorcee at August 23, 2022 03:56 PM (c86jt)

34 Notice Barack is not in vacation bit Biden has been since this crap happened.

Posted by: SOMEASSHOLESTOLEMYPEN at August 23, 2022 03:56 PM (ytSiK)

35 That letter revealed Biden empowered the National Archives and Records Administration to waive ignore any claims to executive privilege that Trump might assert to block DOJ from gaining access to the documents.
++++
With one tiny little word substitution, the reality asserts itself quite clearly.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 23, 2022 03:56 PM (WWh8n)

36 Yesterday, there was a bit of a kerfluffle about whether or not Trump should have known just how wide and deep the rot was in our government.

I'd like to see the case made PDT should have known the rot extended to the National Archives.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 23, 2022 03:56 PM (5pTK/)

37 Yes. That is exactly what it was. A bureaucrat was "butt hurt" over paperwork litigation. Trump had stuff they said he shouldn't have, he said he should and they went berserk.

But the whole "I just learned about it in the news like you" is a flat out admission "I suck at my job and am not in control of anything"

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 23, 2022 03:56 PM (Ivdso)

38 we only have one president at a time

Great, now I'm imagining a time when Hilzebub refuses to concede, and declares herself the Real! POTUS.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at August 23, 2022 03:56 PM (llON8)

39 The memos provide the most definitive evidence to date of the current White House's effort to facilitate a criminal probe of the man Joe Biden beat in the 2020 election and may face again as a challenger in 2024.


More lies.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 23, 2022 03:56 PM (Zz0t1)

40 In on bit but. Bite me

Posted by: SOMEASSHOLESTOLEMYPEN at August 23, 2022 03:56 PM (ytSiK)

41 Also, FFS.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 23, 2022 03:57 PM (HJDAV)

42 Natural gas prices, btw, have increased 4x since Biden assumed the Residency. Four fucking times, in a country with endless and easily accessible NatGas resources.

Enjoy your heating bills this winter, America.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 23, 2022 03:57 PM (moLIP)

43 Nuclear! Documents!

Posted by: spindrift at August 23, 2022 03:57 PM (h5TKJ)

44 "Bold is my emphasis."

Italics are my shield, superscripts my sword.

Posted by: Durable Yet Minimal gp-Based Barrier at August 23, 2022 03:57 PM (qpX6U)

45 Pondered this since Mar-A-Lago, could they have Sundowner reclasify papers DJT unclassified?

Posted by: Skip at August 23, 2022 03:57 PM (k8B25)

46 We are a Durian Republic at this point. We only aspire to be a Banana Republic.

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at August 23, 2022 03:58 PM (nEs/w)

47 Today's hotness on Twitter is that Trump's call for a "special master" means he wants Vladimir Putin as a lawyer. I'm not dumb enough to make this up.

Posted by: Ian S. at August 23, 2022 03:58 PM (ZGrMX)

48 Nothing is said about the former president himself, but applying these general criminal statutes to him based on his mere possession of records would vitiate the entire carefully balanced PRA statutory scheme.
++++
This is the point. The future needs of the State/Party Complex must be able to trump mere process or law.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 23, 2022 03:58 PM (WWh8n)

49 JEF is nothing more than a figurehead, much like Mr Mudpants. He's just smoother about it.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 23, 2022 03:58 PM (89T5c)

50 ..White House Counsel's Office...

Just some low-level front-line workers in the Cleveland office.

Posted by: motionview, a National Divorcee at August 23, 2022 03:58 PM (c86jt)

51 So, hilariously, Ace earlier pointed out that two January 6 committee members Including the Chairman) have refused to certify prior Presidential electoral college votes.

Insurrectionists!!

Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 23, 2022 03:59 PM (moLIP)

52 Where the fuck is Boffo? I want to rub his nose in this shit.

Posted by: spindrift at August 23, 2022 03:59 PM (h5TKJ)

53 Today's hotness on Twitter is that Trump's call for a "special master" means he wants Vladimir Putin as a lawyer. I'm not dumb enough to make this up.
Posted by: Ian S. at August 23, 2022 03:58 PM (ZGrMX)
---------

You may be confusing "dumb" with "insane."

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 23, 2022 03:59 PM (5pTK/)

54 And there's a big question whether they were classified: Trump says he signed an executive order declassifying any paper he took with him to read. The Biden Administration and the insubordinate Deep State keeps playing a game of "I veto that!," but we only have one president at a time, and if Trump did that, then they're declassified. No matter what Deep State thinks about it, or what Biden thinks about it subsequently.
++++
Legally, yeah. But in a dictatorship, their word is what actually counts. Their word is that Trump is bad and so normal rules don't apply.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 23, 2022 03:59 PM (WWh8n)

55 Local news story.
- MSM

Posted by: Darth Randall at August 23, 2022 03:59 PM (zL564)

56 "In the WSJ, David B. Rivkin Jr."

Get it here instead, no paywall:
davidbrivkin.com/the-trump-warrant-had-no-legal-basis/

Posted by: Durable Yet Minimal gp-Based Barrier at August 23, 2022 03:59 PM (qpX6U)

57 I believe Senile Joe is being resuscitated somewhere in that Rehoboth Beach house.

Posted by: N.L. Urker, my trench is full of chickens at August 23, 2022 03:59 PM (VdGjU)

58 I don't for 1 second believe this has anything to do with a partisan, retiring NARA archivist. That might be the story they are ginning up and he might be playing along but this came from the top. The DOJ wasn't going to authorize a raid of the former and likely Republican nominee in 2 years because of a butthurt archivist.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 23, 2022 03:59 PM (ZLI7S)

59 all these people are bug nuts

Posted by: BlackOrchid at August 23, 2022 04:00 PM (w0NJk)

60 How did the Archives not know what Trump had? The paperwork was all delivered by the GSA itself, right? How did they not know? No access to the manifest?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 23, 2022 04:00 PM (WWh8n)

61 52 Where the fuck is Boffo? I want to rub his nose in this shit.
Posted by: spindrift at August 23, 2022 03:59 PM (h5TKJ)

Boffo had to go back to his job down at the local lavender bath house picking used condoms out of the drains and laundering them.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at August 23, 2022 04:00 PM (QSjkU)

62 We are a Durian Republic at this point. We only aspire to be a Banana Republic.
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at August 23, 2022 03:58 PM (nEs/w)
___

With a heaping side of surströmming and shit sprinkles.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 23, 2022 04:00 PM (z6Z2i)

63 The entire DOJ/F BBB.I case is deteriorating before our eyes. It was ridiculous from the get go - what secret docs after 2 years, what codes ? They kept the same for two years?? What a farce.

Posted by: runner at August 23, 2022 04:00 PM (zhVuU)

64 This prosecution only makes sense if you start by accepting the Demofascist premise that Trump stole Hillary's rightful place as President.

Once you accept Trump stole the election, all these persecutions make more sense, not to mention the wholesale abandonment of Constitutional checks and balances and the rule of law.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 23, 2022 04:01 PM (moLIP)

65 What difference does it make? - HR Clinton


Not like anyone will do anything about it.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 23, 2022 04:01 PM (mE7cY)

66 49 JEF is nothing more than a figurehead, much like Mr Mudpants. He's just smoother about it.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory
---------------
JEF had racism counter measures to muzzle harsh criticisms. Biden junta doesn't have the legitimacy and has an old addled front guy that has a history of being worse at lying than Joe Isuzu.

Posted by: whig at August 23, 2022 04:01 PM (CXr4y)

67 The entire DOJ/F BBB.I case is deteriorating before our eyes. It was ridiculous from the get go - what secret docs after 2 years, what codes ? They kept the same for two years?? What a farce.
Posted by: runner at August 23, 2022 04:00 PM (zhVuU)
++++
No urgency until it's urgent - but even then, it wasn't urgent because they were willing to wait some time to get their pet magistrate.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 23, 2022 04:01 PM (WWh8n)

68 I don't for 1 second believe this has anything to do with a partisan, retiring NARA archivist. That might be the story they are ginning up and he might be playing along but this came from the top. The DOJ wasn't going to authorize a raid of the former and likely Republican nominee in 2 years because of a butthurt archivist.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 23, 2022 03:59 PM (ZLI7S)


Jack, I believe you just nailed it.

Posted by: Rinse and Repeat at August 23, 2022 04:02 PM (7BReP)

69 Not like anyone will do anything about it.
Posted by: AlaBAMA
___

But hey, did you see that AWSOMESAUCE DeSantis video?!

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 23, 2022 04:02 PM (z6Z2i)

70 The Deep State deeply loves democracy and the constitution! Bunch of right-wing haters on this site.

Posted by: Fool Otto at August 23, 2022 04:02 PM (DB16e)

71 OrangeManBad!

OrangeManBaaaaad!

ORANGEMANBAD!

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!

Posted by: leftists at August 23, 2022 04:02 PM (llON8)

72 But hey, did you see that AWSOMESAUCE DeSantis video?!
Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 23, 2022 04:02 PM (z6Z2i)


LOL

Posted by: Jordan61 at August 23, 2022 04:02 PM (DRSnL)

73 >>>The DOJ wasn't going to authorize a raid of the former and likely Republican nominee in 2 years because of a butthurt archivist.

well no but he gave them the pretext to do what they wanted to do, and what their crazed partisans were demanding they do, by hook or by crook

Posted by: Chuy at August 23, 2022 04:03 PM (B3oWe)

74 It is an interesting legal point. Let's say President Obama declared some documents declassified when he left office, as he has the absolute power to do as president. He takes them home to keep in a file somewhere.

Now, let's say President Trump then RE-classifies them, as he has absolute power to do. What is the status of those documents, and does Obama have the legal right to retain them, or is it possible for a president to yank that away from another president?

I do know that presidents have extremely high security clearance even after leaving office. Partly this is because its standard procedure to leave clearances in place even after people retire, and partly because sitting presidents will at times call up the last guy and say "hey you know about this Umbutu guy in Ghana, you got anything on him?"

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 23, 2022 04:03 PM (Ivdso)

75 "But hey, did you see that AWSOMESAUCE DeSantis video?!"

Take it off the sidebar, I guess.

Posted by: Durable Yet Minimal gp-Based Barrier at August 23, 2022 04:03 PM (qpX6U)

76 I don't for 1 second believe this has anything to do with a partisan, retiring NARA archivist. That might be the story they are ginning up and he might be playing along but this came from the top. The DOJ wasn't going to authorize a raid of the former and likely Republican nominee in 2 years because of a butthurt archivist.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 23, 2022 03:59 PM (ZLI7S)
++++
But they will happily launder the op through him, and he had to know that he was being used as a cog in a bigger machine. The instruction (assuming it happened) to ignore executive privilege is pretty out-of-bounds and he happily complied with it.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 23, 2022 04:03 PM (WWh8n)

77 Where are our two resident never trumpers to tell us how this is all Trump’s fault?

Posted by: Duke Lowell at August 23, 2022 04:04 PM (u73oe)

78 73 >>>The DOJ wasn't going to authorize a raid of the former and likely Republican nominee in 2 years because of a butthurt archivist.

well no but he gave them the pretext to do what they wanted to do, and what their crazed partisans were demanding they do, by hook or by crook


also that archivist dude is clearly a MASSIVE queen. they can be really annoying and in their overly dramatic pestering!

also yeah, pretext. but also a lot of REEEEEEEEing from that guy

Posted by: BlackOrchid at August 23, 2022 04:04 PM (w0NJk)

79 75 "But hey, did you see that AWSOMESAUCE DeSantis video?!"

Take it off the sidebar, I guess.
Posted by: Durable Yet Minimal gp-Based Barrie

why? Are we speech patrolling? Are you laying down the law that people are only allowed to agitate for Trump?

Stop.

Posted by: Chuy at August 23, 2022 04:04 PM (B3oWe)

80 Jordan, I shit you not.

Over at PJ Media, they're peeing on themselves over it.

"On Monday, Gov. Ron DeSantis (R-Fla.) released a new campaign ad inspired by Top Gun: Maverick.
And it’s pretty darn awesome."

https://tinyurl.com/ztu2nkrj

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 23, 2022 04:04 PM (z6Z2i)

81 The DOJ wasn't going to authorize a raid of the former and likely Republican nominee in 2 years because of a butthurt archivist.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 23, 2022 03:59 PM (ZLI7S)

This DOJ? I can completely believe it.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 23, 2022 04:04 PM (HJDAV)

82 If we are going to be forced to endure the rerun version of the conversion of the Roman Republic into an Imperial state, does that mean someone crucifies federal bureaucrats along the entire beltway?

Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 23, 2022 04:04 PM (moLIP)

83 On a sad note, IRS employees are skeeeered because Republicans “pounced” on news that 87k new fascist pukes will join them and someone might say bad words about them as they do God’s work.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at August 23, 2022 04:04 PM (3vQN0)

84 Don't underestimate the deep, personal hatred both Biden and Garland have for Trump. Or their petty motivations.

This was a political operation ran out of the White House. Joe was personally briefed and demanded the raid. They needed Trump radioactive for November.

They hate Trump. They know he has to have committed some crime. They were sure the raid would turn up proof. They bet everything on that because every single news source they consume has been screaming 24/7 for 6 solid years that Trump is a criminal.

They had the perfect pretext. They didn't care if the raid was illegal-- they'd have proof of his crimes on every television in America by dinner. They found nothing. Because if there was one, single document that showed any crime at all, it'd already be on every front page by now.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 23, 2022 04:05 PM (Zf0+a)

85 Huh. What's with the white suits and weird tricolored ribbons.

Looks like their Level 3 adherents to some lame-ass cult like-

Sons and Daughters of Sando, the Sandwich God or some such thing.

Posted by: naturalfake at August 23, 2022 04:05 PM (5NkmN)

86
The archivist in that photo looks like he usually lives his life lying on a couch and pissing in a jug when he's not at some event, hanging around with the Cryptkeeper.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 23, 2022 04:05 PM (IXpV7)

87 That archivist still looks like he needs a couple whacks of a tire iron.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at August 23, 2022 04:05 PM (llON8)

88 Even if Biden could waive executive privilege, he never actually did so. You can't just empower an agency to waive executive privilege on their own.

Posted by: MikeN at August 23, 2022 04:05 PM (ek6Pv)

89 Joe seen a few articles about when DJT was leaving and packing along boxes many Leftists wanted to know what exactly was in that box or two, think it was when leaving on the Marine Helicopter

Posted by: Skip at August 23, 2022 04:05 PM (k8B25)

90 73 well no but he gave them the pretext to do what they wanted to do, and what their crazed partisans were demanding they do, by hook or by crook
Posted by: Chuy at August 23, 2022 04:03 PM (B3oWe)

=========

What is the origin of this phrase?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 23, 2022 04:05 PM (LvTSG)

91 Where are our two resident never trumpers to tell us how this is all Trump’s fault?

Posted by: Duke Lowell at August 23, 2022 04:04 PM (u73oe)


As I understand it, these documents were under lock and key, per the FBIs request. Hard to blame that on Trump.

If he had the option ? You don't keep that shit at Mar-A-Lago. You keep it somewhere secret. Somewhere safe. But it doesn't sound like Trump had that option here.

Only thing I can blame on Trump in this ? If you had them, and you declassified them, you don't simply hold onto them. You broadcast them.

Posted by: Rinse and Repeat at August 23, 2022 04:05 PM (7BReP)

92 >>well no but he gave them the pretext to do what they wanted to do, and what their crazed partisans were demanding they do, by hook or by crook

Yes, but I think they went to him much like the DOJ got the Dept of Ed to write a letter to investigate terrorist parents at school board meetings.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 23, 2022 04:05 PM (ZLI7S)

93 25 This is why I continually say that everyone in DC is on the same side, regardless of status or stature. Every last one of them is on the Democrats' side, and every last one of them hates Trump with the fury of a nova because he is not "of them." Obama was a rabid communist & they couldn't suck him off frequently enough.

What does that say about DC? Posted by: Mr. Fabulist
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Take a gander at wealth statistics of the counties in the US over time and how that has changed. Essentially, the DC complex bleeds off the wealth of the country in order to concentrate it on DC.

Making and selling actual products is a trifling matter to the DC elite. This wealth comes strictly from financialization of the US economy. You can see the same sort of issue in Great Britain. with London versus the outlying cities.

Posted by: whig at August 23, 2022 04:05 PM (CXr4y)

94 The DOJ wasn't going to authorize a raid of the former and likely Republican nominee in 2 years because of a butthurt archivist.

I would guess he pulled strings and used connections to get someone in the FBI to go for it, without it being really intended by the people at the top. The first few days everyone in the DOJ and White House were staring around confused trying to figure out what the hell just happened and claiming they had nothing to do with it.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 23, 2022 04:06 PM (Ivdso)

95 Seems to me that vets have more of an issue with the ad, because it's so dumb.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 23, 2022 04:06 PM (z6Z2i)

96
why? Are we speech patrolling? Are you laying down the law that people are only allowed to agitate for Trump?

Stop.
Posted by: Chuy at August 23, 2022 04:04 PM (B3oWe)



Yeah. Good lord.......Was the ad ever really declared Awesomesauce? Not that I've seen.

Some think it's good, some think it's crap.

The message is solid... That's what it's for.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 23, 2022 04:06 PM (Zz0t1)

97 What a fucking joke this whole thing is. And like everything Capt. Pedo McMudpants touches, it is backfiring bigly.

Posted by: Minnfidel at August 23, 2022 04:06 PM (zB9nf)

98 Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 23, 2022 04:04 PM (z6Z2i)

It reminds me of that Crenshaw Avengers ad.

Posted by: Jordan61 at August 23, 2022 04:06 PM (DRSnL)

99 88 Even if Biden could waive executive privilege, he never actually did so. You can't just empower an agency to waive executive privilege on their own.
Posted by: MikeN at August 23, 2022 04:05 PM (ek6Pv)



Sure you can.
- A DC judge

Posted by: Joe XiDen at August 23, 2022 04:06 PM (3vQN0)

100 >>>
What is the origin of this phrase?

probably some shepherd stuff

Posted by: Chuy at August 23, 2022 04:06 PM (B3oWe)

101 29 I'm beginning to think the entire Federal Civil Service needs to fired, just on general principle.
Posted by: Huck Follywood
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I'm with the federal service (VA) and I agree with ya!

Posted by: NALNAMSAM - not as lean, not as mean, still a Marine at August 23, 2022 04:06 PM (FYDU+)

102 94 I would guess he pulled strings and used connections to get someone in the FBI to go for it, without it being really intended by the people at the top. The first few days everyone in the DOJ and White House were staring around confused trying to figure out what the hell just happened and claiming they had nothing to do with it.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 23, 2022 04:06 PM (Ivdso)

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If this is true, then the only way to figure out who authorized it at DOJ is to see who's gonna get promoted soon.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 23, 2022 04:07 PM (LvTSG)

103 DESANTIS IS DONE!!!!

HE'S DUKAKIS NOW!!!!!

JOHN KERRY REPORTING FOR DUTY!!!!!


C'mon, people.....Really?

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 23, 2022 04:07 PM (Zz0t1)

104 seems like they violated his civil rights. is there a law for that?

Posted by: sockamster, doctor of love at August 23, 2022 04:07 PM (OuH7W)

105 "Peter Paperwork had an ego ouchie."

lol


The wheels are closing in!

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur at August 23, 2022 04:07 PM (yHsuS)

106 This White House lying? Never in doubt in my mind.

Posted by: Prime Sister at August 23, 2022 04:07 PM (tQL7r)

107 It reminds me of that Crenshaw Avengers ad.
Posted by: Jordan61
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Because it's the same people.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 23, 2022 04:07 PM (z6Z2i)

108 103 C'mon, people.....Really?
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 23, 2022 04:07 PM (Zz0

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His voice is a little squeaky.

He should be banished to Siberia for it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 23, 2022 04:08 PM (LvTSG)

109 >>>80 Jordan, I shit you not.
Over at PJ Media, they're peeing on themselves over it.
"On Monday, Gov. Ron DeSantis (R-Fla.) released a new campaign ad inspired by Top Gun: Maverick.
And it’s pretty darn awesome."
https://tinyurl.com/ztu2nkrj

Okay, this is going to shock you, but some people like DeSantis, and not everyone is as big a fan of Trump as you seem to be. It's just something you'll have to accept over the coming year.

Posted by: Chuy at August 23, 2022 04:08 PM (B3oWe)

110 Sons and Daughters of Sando, the Sandwich God or some such thing.
Posted by: naturalfake at August 23, 2022 04:05 PM

Waiting for Beldar's orders.

Posted by: Nancy's Saggy Beach tits. at August 23, 2022 04:08 PM (zB9nf)

111 Awesomesauce > sick burns

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 23, 2022 04:08 PM (89T5c)

112 Thank you Ace.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 23, 2022 04:08 PM (Y+l9t)

113 Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 23, 2022 04:05 PM (Zf0+a)

its US they hate. Trump is just the face of MAGA, We ARE MAGA.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at August 23, 2022 04:08 PM (QSjkU)

114 Tucker played that clip of stupid fuck Joe Scaraabragh having people on saying that trump had "ultra secret nuclear information" that "he could sell at any moment".

I mean, what? right? Like can you at least lie like an adult?

Posted by: sockamster, doctor of love at August 23, 2022 04:08 PM (OuH7W)

115 Scumsuckers, one and all.

OH, and since Pelosi is mentioned, DM has this:

Paul Pelosi, the husband of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi , pleaded guilty Tuesday of driving under the influence in Napa County court
TMZ reported Tuesday that Pelosi pleaded guilty to one count of DUI
He was sentenced to three years probation and five days of jail time, getting credit for time served


DUI and caused injuries, gets to plead out to just DUI. Here in MS, if you are DUI and cause injuries, it's a felony. You will spend time in prison.

Posted by: GnuBreed at August 23, 2022 04:08 PM (JOtiF)

116 It reminds me of that Crenshaw Avengers ad.

Posted by: Jordan61 at August 23, 2022 04:06 PM (DRSnL)


It wasn't THAT gay.

Posted by: Rinse and Repeat at August 23, 2022 04:08 PM (7BReP)

117 Eh, Yeah, the Top Gov ad was cornball but I enjoyed it cuz it was fun.

You know, politics needs to be fun for your voters.

It can't all be screaming spider monkey poo-throwing anger 24/7.

You drive people away with that.

Posted by: naturalfake at August 23, 2022 04:08 PM (5NkmN)

118 hook and crook are, I'm guessing, derived from the same root so they're basically the same word

lemme check this out

Posted by: Chuy at August 23, 2022 04:08 PM (B3oWe)

119 91 Where are our two resident never trumpers to tell us how this is all Trump’s fault?

Posted by: Duke Lowell
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One is a troll who believe himself to be an influencer. The other, I think is a GOPe apparatchik.

The influencer troll has been absent today as his blue wave prognostications yesterday don't smell so good today with polling. Probably has to think up or obtain new attack arguments.

Posted by: whig at August 23, 2022 04:08 PM (CXr4y)

120 If the info in the documents Trump had was declassified I have to wonder why they sat on them for nearly 2 years.

That seems to have been a huge mistake if the actuality is that the info was able to be released.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 23, 2022 04:08 PM (BFigT)

121 Okay, this is going to shock you, but some people like DeSantis, and not everyone is as big a fan of Trump as you seem to be. It's just something you'll have to accept over the coming year.
Posted by: Chuy at August 23, 2022 04:08 PM (B3oWe)


I like DeSantis a lot. That ad, not so much.

Posted by: Jordan61 at August 23, 2022 04:09 PM (DRSnL)

122 just another thing to impeach biden over.

Posted by: sockamster, doctor of love at August 23, 2022 04:09 PM (OuH7W)

123 C'mon, people.....Really?
Posted by: Sponge
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So not liking the ad is equal to not like Desantis??

Whatevs.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 23, 2022 04:09 PM (z6Z2i)

124 90 73 well no but he gave them the pretext to do what they wanted to do, and what their crazed partisans were demanding they do, by hook or by crook
Posted by: Chuy at August 23, 2022 04:03 PM (B3oWe)

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What is the origin of this phrase?


Etwas... etwas... Reichstagbrand

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at August 23, 2022 04:09 PM (ZSK0i)

125 109 Okay, this is going to shock you, but some people like DeSantis, and not everyone is as big a fan of Trump as you seem to be. It's just something you'll have to accept over the coming year.
Posted by: Chuy at August 23, 2022 04:08 PM (B3oWe)

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I watched something like 10 seconds of it and shut it off.

I kind of hate politics, especially when it's not in the black and white of print. It's all cringy nonsense to me.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 23, 2022 04:09 PM (LvTSG)

126 It reminds me of that Crenshaw Avengers ad.

The Crenshaw ad was better. I like what DeSantis has accomplished as governor, but his voice is kind of... not commanding or powerful. Its okay, but not "viral" as being claimed.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 23, 2022 04:09 PM (Ivdso)

127 For my entire adulthood Biden has been famous for one thing - getting caught for having lied to the public with absolute sincerity. That any reporter, politician or talking head pretends to believe anything that he says is laughable.

Posted by: 29Victor at August 23, 2022 04:09 PM (BJKQV)

128 "why? Are we speech patrolling? Are you laying down the law that people are only allowed to agitate for Trump? Stop."

Fair enough.

Posted by: Durable Yet Minimal gp-Based Barrier at August 23, 2022 04:09 PM (qpX6U)

129 Okay, this is going to shock you, but some people like DeSantis, and not everyone is as big a fan of Trump as you seem to be. It's just something you'll have to accept over the coming year.
Posted by: Chuy at August 23, 2022 04:08 PM (B3oWe)

I like DeSantis a lot. That ad, not so much.
Posted by: Jordan61 at August 23, 2022 04:09 PM (DRSnL)
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Same.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 23, 2022 04:09 PM (5pTK/)

130 "Peter Paperwork had an ego ouchie." Bwahahaha!

I'm going to sneak behind enemy lines to FB to see how the left-wing Marxists are taking the news.

Posted by: Prime Sister at August 23, 2022 04:10 PM (tQL7r)

131 I mean, what? right? Like can you at least lie like an adult?

Posted by: sockamster
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He is in the media--like a sociopath, he lies without a conscience but also without a brain.

Posted by: whig at August 23, 2022 04:10 PM (CXr4y)

132 Waiting for Beldar's orders.

He answers to Exidor.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 23, 2022 04:10 PM (89T5c)

133 just another thing to impeach biden over.

Yup.

Posted by: Squid at August 23, 2022 04:10 PM (1VPp7)

134 You know, politics needs to be fun for your voters.

Dropping your enemies into a wood-chipper could be fun.

Posted by: Rinse and Repeat at August 23, 2022 04:10 PM (7BReP)

135 This story proves my husband's theory that a tiny bit of power is dangerous. He usually is referring to petty tyrants at the DMV.

Posted by: CaliGirl at August 23, 2022 04:10 PM (0Cl6X)

136 As long as a document is marked classified
It's classified
After the document is declassified the CONTENTS are declassified
It can never be seen with its marking. OK Trump show us all of the memos that yku signed to declassify each document

Posted by: Paul at August 23, 2022 04:10 PM (dv098)

137 Shit like this is how Banana Republics end up with Death Squads.

I'm not quite sure we're in Banana Republic status quite yet, but say, ain't that a minkee wearing a shitpants'd suit there in the Oval Orifice?

ooohh ooohh eeee eeee !!!

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at August 23, 2022 04:10 PM (tkOps)

138 Fire every "civil" servant and relocate any feral agency worth keeping (very few) to Bismarck ND at about 15% current staffing level. Outlaw every civil service union.

Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at August 23, 2022 04:10 PM (flINI)

139 /sarc on/
you know, that's the thing about trump. he's just so unique, the left wouldn't do this to other gOP politicians. We should just try to be nicer. Sure, they did the same thing to Rick Perry, Ted Stevens, Sarah Palin, Newt, Tom Delay, and to hundreds of local smaller politicians like in the John Doe probe. But really, we just need to learn to be nice and never/ever ever pay them back.
/sarc offf/

Posted by: sockamster, doctor of love at August 23, 2022 04:10 PM (OuH7W)

140 I understand if people want to defend Trump from attacks but it goes too far when you start insisting that people are not even permitted to make the positive case for themselves! That everyone just has to campaign for Trump!

Jesus!

Posted by: Chuy at August 23, 2022 04:10 PM (B3oWe)

141 I’m a bigly big fan of DeSantis and yeah that ad is dumb.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at August 23, 2022 04:11 PM (3vQN0)

142
I don't have any dog in this fight. I can't vote in FL, but I wouldn't vote DeSantis or Trump unless they left the GOP. Seriously do not care who runs or doesn't or wins or loses.

I will say, upon watching that vid, I get a cheesy "Dan Crenshaw campaign" vibe from it. #BeBetter, Ron.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 23, 2022 04:11 PM (IXpV7)

143 did anyone here watch the netflix Sandman yet?

anyway there is this One. Particular. Episode.

in it you learn that just pure unadulterated Truth, without dreams or hope, makes human animals ... not feel so good.

it reminded me of this place, sometimes. this place can be like a 24/7 diner with John Dee sitting in the corner.

Me tho? I like fun. I like living. but it's fine, I'm not against the Darkness Falls types at all. I get it. I would never say "don't be like that." You be you.

it IS kind of tiring and enervating tho

Posted by: BlackOrchid at August 23, 2022 04:11 PM (w0NJk)

144 140 I understand if people want to defend Trump from attacks but it goes too far when you start insisting that people are not even permitted to make the positive case for themselves! That everyone just has to campaign for Trump!

Jesus!

—-

A wee bit cult like one might say.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at August 23, 2022 04:11 PM (3vQN0)

145 just another reminder that, before anything else Biden is, he is a fucking liar. Well, he's a child sniffer before that. So let's just call it: Child sniffing liar.

Posted by: sockamster, doctor of love at August 23, 2022 04:11 PM (OuH7W)

146 Lol
What happened to "they planted all those documents" ??

Posted by: Paul at August 23, 2022 04:11 PM (dv098)

147 The DeSantis ad was okay, but it reminded me too much of that Crenshaw ad. Probably irrational, but there it is.

Posted by: 29Victor at August 23, 2022 04:12 PM (BJKQV)

148 I don't have any dog in this fight. I can't vote in FL, but I wouldn't vote DeSantis or Trump unless they left the GOP. Seriously do not care who runs or doesn't or wins or loses.

I will say, upon watching that vid, I get a cheesy "Dan Crenshaw campaign" vibe from it. #BeBetter, Ron.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice
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This^

All. This.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 23, 2022 04:12 PM (z6Z2i)

149 If there are any documents the regime were worried about that Trump had, they are something related to Hillary-Deep State collusion. The rest are documents nobody will ever see or care about again, including that back bench bureaucrat.


As usual, everything we are being told about this from the MSM is a distortion or flat out lie.

Posted by: Ripley at August 23, 2022 04:12 PM (MxEKc)

150 >>>I like DeSantis a lot. That ad, not so much.
Posted by: Jordan61

i heard the ad from another room, probably pretty cheesy.... but I don't know if it's being objected to on effectiveness, or just because some really object to anyone even testing the waters to challenge trump.

Posted by: Chuy at August 23, 2022 04:12 PM (B3oWe)

151 Covid resulted in the gravest civil liberties violations since slavery itself and in the sense of widespread impact, it even was worse. This type of abuse of power flows naturally from a totalitarian state, one which turns its court system into a protection racket to hide lists of pedophiles blackmailed by its security state. This only will get worse. Even Stalin would be dialing it back at this point.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at August 23, 2022 04:12 PM (nMx88)

152 I'll just keep repeating my theory: someone at the WH heard about the spat with the National Archives and gave the FBI permission to raid Mar-A-Lago, hoping that it would embarrass Trump and the GOP. They sidestepped the DoJ and Garland but, when it blew up, they made Garland go out and take responsibility for it.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at August 23, 2022 04:12 PM (wmDcS)

153 124 90 73 well no but he gave them the pretext to do what they wanted to do, and what their crazed partisans were demanding they do, by hook or by crook
Posted by: Chuy at August 23, 2022 04:03 PM (B3oWe)

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it's not a pretext.

the fbi lied about the law.
the groomer-magistrate lied about the law
biden lied about what he did

Posted by: sockamster, doctor of love at August 23, 2022 04:13 PM (OuH7W)

154 This shit is why I want a general strike now before they make their lists of "bad orgeman voter/donor" and cross lists of "keeps things running" vs "retired, we can jail them now"

Possibly they think if they heap enough BS on Trump and the few hundred J6 prisoners, that will be sufficient deterrence from the peons ever daring to challenge the status quo again, but I suspect they'd like to put us all in labor camps and only caution of not crashing too many systems at once and the 2nd amendment is keeping them from starting so far.

Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at August 23, 2022 04:13 PM (3cGpq)

155 I like DeSantis, I like Trump. I saw nothing wrong with the ad.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at August 23, 2022 04:13 PM (QSjkU)

156 And I know I've said it before, but the unredacted warrant affidavit is going to reveal that the FBI "surveillance" that justified the raid will turn out to be Maggie's dramatic recreation of Trump flushing classified docs.

Never, not once, not one time in six years has the left held back the evidence of their claims of Trump's crimes. Every single time, the only thing they've hidden was the proof they were lying.

This time will be no different. Outrageous claims of crimes followed by meek evidence of ... nothing.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 23, 2022 04:13 PM (Zf0+a)

157 Wasn't by hook or by crook a pirate thing?

Posted by: Infidel at August 23, 2022 04:13 PM (QgnTJ)

158 Hey! When I come back from vacation, I'm gonna be a new man. No joke.

*dons aviators*

Posted by: Joe Biteum at August 23, 2022 04:13 PM (sn5EN)

159 "So the DOJ raided the home of a U.S. President because some no-name-left-wing bureaucrat got butthurt over paperwork litigation?"

Some might say there are some parallels between this and the Deep Throat (Mark Felt)/Nixon affair.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at August 23, 2022 04:13 PM (ZSK0i)

160 150 i heard the ad from another room, probably pretty cheesy.... but I don't know if it's being objected to on effectiveness, or just because some really object to anyone even testing the waters to challenge trump.
Posted by: Chuy at August 23, 2022 04:12 PM (B3oWe)

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I haven't seen anyone attack it for presupposing an attack on Trump's position as presumptive 2024 GOP nominee, just the cringe factor.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 23, 2022 04:13 PM (LvTSG)

161 >>hook and crook are, I'm guessing, derived from the same root so they're basically the same word

>>lemme check this out

I already did.

In Medieval England wealthy landowners instructed peasants they could only take wood from the forest they could reach with a Shepard's crook or a reaper's bill hook.

And no, you knoweth the rest of the story.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 23, 2022 04:13 PM (ZLI7S)

162 It's Polesmoker Paul.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 23, 2022 04:14 PM (89T5c)

163
Because it's the same people.
Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 23, 2022 04:07 PM (z6Z2i)

Ooof.

They are 0-fer

Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 23, 2022 04:14 PM (mE7cY)

164 Dropping your enemies into a wood-chipper could be fun.
Posted by: Rinse and Repeat at August 23, 2022 04:10 PM (7BReP)


Dropping your enemies into a wood-chipper from a helicopter could be even more fun.

Posted by: spindrift at August 23, 2022 04:14 PM (h5TKJ)

165 Pondered this since Mar-A-Lago, could they have Sundowner reclasify papers DJT unclassified?
Posted by: Skip
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No. It is a one way ratchet. Once declassified, always declassified.

In this case Trump declassified a bunch of stuff and the FBI refused to release the documents. But they are still declassified.

Eventually, those will be revealed through FOIA requests, once folks like Judicial Watch are clued in on what to ask for.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at August 23, 2022 04:14 PM (5p7BC)

166 155 I like DeSantis, I like Trump. I saw nothing wrong with the ad.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at August 23, 2022 04:13 PM (QSjkU)

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I wish that all campaign ads stopped because people suddenly discovered that they were all ineffective. I hate campaign ads. I hate theirs. I hate ours. I hate them all.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 23, 2022 04:14 PM (LvTSG)

167
I guess between McCain, Crenshaw, and some others, I've just had it up to my eye-teeth with the whole "I was in the military, and I'm going all Zero-Dark-Thirty on these Demz, just you wait and see!" routine. It's dumb.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 23, 2022 04:15 PM (IXpV7)

168 A wee bit cult like one might say.
Posted by: Joe XiDen at August 23, 2022 04:11 PM (3vQN0)

Ya know what's really cultlike? Jumping on any thread that even tangentially mentions Trump and ranting about Trump and his supporters.

Posted by: 29Victor at August 23, 2022 04:15 PM (BJKQV)

169 So in essence the FBI and the DOJ stepped on their dicks

Posted by: It's me donna at August 23, 2022 04:15 PM (bs+z0)

170 On Monday, Gov. Ron DeSantis (R-Fla.) released a new campaign ad inspired by Top Gun: Maverick.

--

How long before anyone associated with that movie formally issues a Cease and Desist, to extract maximum embarrassment toward Florida's governor?

Posted by: Lady in Black at August 23, 2022 04:15 PM (sVtYq)

171 It's Polesmoker Paul.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 23, 2022 04:14 PM

Well only when I am out of town.

Posted by: Nancy's Saggy Beach tits. at August 23, 2022 04:15 PM (zB9nf)

172 Dropping your enemies into a wood-chipper from a helicopter could be even more fun.
Posted by: spindrift at August 23, 2022 04:14 PM (h5TKJ)

Nope. Lower them in with a chain hoist. Prolly take 10 minutes to feed them in completely.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at August 23, 2022 04:15 PM (QSjkU)

173 I guess between McCain, Crenshaw, and some others, I've just had it up to my eye-teeth with the whole "I was in the military, and I'm going all Zero-Dark-Thirty on these Demz, just you wait and see!" routine. It's dumb.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice
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Yeah, but civvies eat that shit up.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 23, 2022 04:15 PM (z6Z2i)

174 >>> 165 Pondered this since Mar-A-Lago, could they have Sundowner reclasify papers DJT unclassified?
Posted by: Skip
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No. It is a one way ratchet. Once declassified, always declassified.

In this case Trump declassified a bunch of stuff and the FBI refused to release the documents. But they are still declassified.

Eventually, those will be revealed through FOIA requests, once folks like Judicial Watch are clued in on what to ask for.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at August 23, 2022 04:14 PM (5p7BC)

Not true! They have an ink-stamp that says "classified"! That means they're ultra-classified, especially if OrangeManBad has them!!!

Posted by: Paul the minor-attracted retard at August 23, 2022 04:15 PM (llON8)

175 Dropping your enemies into a wood-chipper could be fun.
Posted by: Rinse and Repeat at August 23, 2022 04:10 PM (7BReP)

Dropping your enemies into a wood-chipper from a helicopter could be even more fun.
Posted by: spindrift at August 23, 2022 04:14 PM (h5TKJ)


You come from obvious taste and refinement. I'll defer to your superior vision.

*hoists can of Miller Lite in your direction*

Posted by: Rinse and Repeat at August 23, 2022 04:16 PM (7BReP)

176 129 Okay, this is going to shock you, but some people like DeSantis, and not everyone is as big a fan of Trump as you seem to be. It's just something you'll have to accept over the coming year.
Posted by: Chuy
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I have no beefs with DeSantis right now as a potential Prezzie candidate. I also am aware of Trump's weaknesses--one is the potential for the Vaxx to become a massive issue. A second is if all the martyr hoopla effectively makes it impossible for Trump to get his message out about what he would do with his third term.

On both DeSantis and Trump, I am concerned about how GOPe appointees and Congress critters will backstab any attempt to end the invade the world, invite the world and the green impoverishment deal. DeSantis, I am worried does not have the insulation that Trump does of great wealth and that like Scott Walker--will be forced to kneel to big donors to run. All of that can be hashed out though in mid 2023 or so.

Posted by: whig at August 23, 2022 04:16 PM (CXr4y)

177 That was Michael Dukakis.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 23, 2022 03:47 PM (z6Z2i)



The Dukakis ad ended his presidential hopes.

You comparing the DeSantis ad to that means you believe he's done, regardless of the message in the ad.

I don't think that's going to happen.

I'm only quoting what's already been said about it.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 23, 2022 04:16 PM (Zz0t1)

178 Impeachment and 25th amendment are equally difficult?

Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 23, 2022 04:17 PM (44ww/)

179 I'm going to sneak behind enemy lines to FB to see how the left-wing Marxists are taking the news.

Posted by: Prime Sister at August 23, 2022 04:10 PM (tQL7r)

Hit them with "Mueller will come."

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur at August 23, 2022 04:17 PM (yHsuS)

180 I don't for 1 second believe this has anything to do with a partisan, retiring NARA archivist. That might be the story they are ginning up and he might be playing along but this came from the top. The DOJ wasn't going to authorize a raid of the former and likely Republican nominee in 2 years because of a butthurt archivist.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 23, 2022 03:59 PM (ZLI7S)
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Agreed. It's like St. Fauci retiring in December, right before the GOP takes the House. They can require government employees to come before committees, but have less ability to do so when the criminal ... er ... leftist operative ... er ... former employee has retired.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara - Impeach Joe Biden at August 23, 2022 04:17 PM (YqDXo)

181 I guess between McCain, Crenshaw, and some others...
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 23, 2022 04:15 PM (IXpV7)

Yeah, that. It's kinda sad though. Military service used to mean something.

Posted by: 29Victor at August 23, 2022 04:17 PM (BJKQV)

182 You know what we need on our Official Wood-Chipper. A big ass, human size funnel.

*makes note*

Posted by: Rinse and Repeat at August 23, 2022 04:18 PM (7BReP)

183 Every candidate's allowed a few cringe ads. What kills me is some candidates run nothing but cringe ads right out of 1992.

Posted by: lowandslow at August 23, 2022 04:18 PM (qH6FZ)

184
I like DeSantis, btw. Just as a state-level candidate. If I were in FL, I'd vote for the guy. I don't want any decent Republican at the federal level. That whole thing is a scam where bad men go to thrive, and good men go to die. Neither does anyone any good.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 23, 2022 04:18 PM (IXpV7)

185 You comparing the DeSantis ad to that means you believe he's done, regardless of the message in the ad.
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Wrong.

It means that I think it's dumb, just like the tank ad.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 23, 2022 04:18 PM (z6Z2i)

186 Guess what? Isn't everyone here talking about the ad? Whether you liked it, didn't like it whatever, you're talking about DeSantis.
Peopl e on this blog talk politics all day long but some people go to the movies,see Top Gun and get a kick out of seeing our side win for a change.
That's how I see DeSantis. Every time he wins a conservative battle, signs something into law that I approve of, I feel it's a win for our side.
I refuse to be so jaded that I can't appreciate the attempt to make this an up ad.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 23, 2022 04:18 PM (Y+l9t)

187 Remember what's his fuck up in the northeast that drove a pickup truck in an ad and everyone thought he was all conservative 'n shit? How'd that work out for actual conservatives?

The ads work on a significant percentage. That's why they do them.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 23, 2022 04:19 PM (Zz0t1)

188 Lizard Cheney needs to get properly of Nazi Pelosi branded onto her fat ass.

Posted by: N.L. Urker, my trench is full of chickens at August 23, 2022 04:19 PM (VdGjU)

189 So no nuclear secrets requiring immediate raid?

I'm shocked.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 23, 2022 04:19 PM (mE7cY)

190 Sundowner has been a lier his whole government career

Posted by: Skip at August 23, 2022 04:20 PM (k8B25)

191 187 Remember what's his fuck up in the northeast that drove a pickup truck in an ad and everyone thought he was all conservative 'n shit? How'd that work out for actual conservatives?

our Governor Wolf, in a stupid jeep

Posted by: BlackOrchid at August 23, 2022 04:20 PM (w0NJk)

192 Good thing we all don't have to think alike, eh Sharon?

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 23, 2022 04:20 PM (z6Z2i)

193
Yeah, that. It's kinda sad though. Military service used to mean something.
Posted by: 29Victor at August 23, 2022 04:17 PM (BJKQV)



Right?

- - Lt. Col. Bearclaw Vindman

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 23, 2022 04:20 PM (Zz0t1)

194 It's an ad in August. It's not the best but not the end of the world.

The enemy is over yonder.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 23, 2022 04:20 PM (ZLI7S)

195
our Governor Wolf, in a stupid jeep
Posted by: BlackOrchid at August 23, 2022 04:20 PM (w0NJk)

A chick car? Please tell me it was one of those ridiculous pink or purple ones like my coworker used to drive.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 23, 2022 04:21 PM (IXpV7)

196 Christopher Rufo reports the Tampa school system "secretly transitioned" his 12 year old daughter without his knowledge, leading to her eventual suicide.

But, says Democrats, trans-power.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 23, 2022 04:21 PM (5pvBX)

197 It means that I think it's dumb, just like the tank ad.
Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 23, 2022 04:18 PM (z6Z2i)

The most cringe worthy ad I saw so far was dr. Oz's ad in the supermarket... Picks up veggies and dips to tell us how expensive it is now to make a Crudité platter...Seriously ? Crudité ? You mean a veggie platter... real common folks stuff their Dr.

Posted by: It's me donna at August 23, 2022 04:21 PM (bs+z0)

198 Yeah, but civvies eat that shit up.
Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 23, 2022 04:15 PM (z6Z2i)

^^^It's a sad day when I have to admit I no longer make the automatic assumption. Crenshaw really red pilled me.

I like the ad because I find DeSantis' integrity believable. And it's a fun play on the Top Gun meme. But I get while you (and others) don't like it. I just like that he makes a specific point about fighting the narrative. I find that powerful and hope inspiring.

Posted by: Iris at August 23, 2022 04:21 PM (NaH5I)

199 193 Right?

- - Lt. Col. Bearclaw Vindman
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 23, 2022 04:20 PM (Zz0t1)

=========

If you didn't vote for McCain, it's because you hated veterans.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 23, 2022 04:21 PM (LvTSG)

200 Yeah, that. It's kinda sad though. Military service used to mean something.
Posted by: 29Victor
__

For politicians, it means conning the rubes.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 23, 2022 04:21 PM (z6Z2i)

201 Yeah, that. It's kinda sad though. Military service used to mean something.
Posted by: 29Victor at August 23, 2022 04:17 PM (BJKQV)


Only to idiots.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at August 23, 2022 04:21 PM (wmDcS)

202 Sean Davis, Mollie Hemingway, Margot Cleveland and Ace O'Spades = National Treasures. When I'm president, they'lll all get sashes and medals!

Posted by: LASue at August 23, 2022 04:21 PM (Ed8Zd)

203 I said this earlier when Garland took the fall: this is a sign of an utterly rudderless admin. Just like terrorist parents at school boards. That was a clusterf*ck driven by Dr Jill.

This is a clusterf*ck involving the chief librarian, probably driven by someone in the inner WH circle.

In both cases, the guy who can't even control his own bowel movements is almost certainly out of the loop.

Posted by: quantum mechanic at August 23, 2022 04:21 PM (g1EEm)

204 I'm sure there are heart paddles in every room in the Biden house.

Posted by: N.L. Urker, my trench is full of chickens at August 23, 2022 04:22 PM (VdGjU)

205 100 >>>
What is the origin of this phrase?

probably some shepherd stuff


You don't wanna know.

Posted by: Shep at August 23, 2022 04:22 PM (2cfUo)

206 Wrong.

It means that I think it's dumb, just like the tank ad.
Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 23, 2022 04:18 PM (z6Z2i)

The tank ad hurt Dukakis because he looked so darn silly. Like a little boy playing tanks.

Posted by: 29Victor at August 23, 2022 04:22 PM (BJKQV)

207 John Solomon: The White House Claimed It Had No Prior Knowledge of the Raid on Donald Trump's House.
The White House, Once Again, Lied.


Karine John-Peter will continue to claim the White House had no prior knowledge of the raid. It is a deniability white lie meaning they did not know the exact instant the raid would begin. But they knew the raid would be on Monday morning because Brandon gave Garland and Wray the OK for it to be done that specific morning.

Posted by: Gref at August 23, 2022 04:22 PM (AMIL/)

208
I'm sure there are heart paddles in every room in the Biden house.
Posted by: N.L. Urker, my trench is full of chickens at August 23, 2022 04:22 PM (VdGjU)

Heart paddles, meth, and diapers, like a really-fucked up baby bag.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 23, 2022 04:22 PM (IXpV7)

209 This definitely seems like a drama about an overdue library book.

Posted by: LASue at August 23, 2022 04:22 PM (Ed8Zd)

210 Whoa...EASY on the precedents, there, Joe, ok?

Posted by: Barack, Hillary at August 23, 2022 04:22 PM (dzeUe)

211 I guess between McCain, Crenshaw, and some others, I've just had it up to my eye-teeth with the whole "I was in the military, and I'm going all Zero-Dark-Thirty on these Demz, just you wait and see!" routine. It's dumb.

Eyepatch McCain, yeah, I get the eye-rolling because he *is* a Democrat. But DeSantis actually has Done The Things, so I'm fine with him bragging about it.

Posted by: Ian S. at August 23, 2022 04:23 PM (ZGrMX)

212
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If you didn't vote for McCain, it's because you hated veterans.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 23, 2022 04:21 PM (LvTSG)



I did. I don't.

However, it will forever be a regret that I have to live with, voting for that turncoat worthless greedy fuck.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 23, 2022 04:23 PM (Zz0t1)

213 Now, I hate the Big Brain Chessmaster argument but, what if Trump had it planted that he had certain documents so sensational the Dems were forced to raid?

(And we should stop calling it an FBI raid this was a Democrat raid.)

That would flush out a lot of rabbits.

Consider also why Trump keeps dropping that they may plant documents among what they claim they seized.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 23, 2022 04:23 PM (Zf0+a)

214 Only to idiots.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at August 23, 2022 04:21 PM (wmDcS)

Yeah, like all those morons who voted for Washington and Eisenhower. Lol.

Posted by: 29Victor at August 23, 2022 04:23 PM (BJKQV)

215 This definitely seems like a drama about an overdue library book.
Posted by: LASue at August 23, 2022 04:22 PM (Ed8Zd)



*fistbump*

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 23, 2022 04:23 PM (Zz0t1)

216 The tank ad hurt Dukakis because he looked so darn silly. Like a little boy playing tanks.

I'll never forget his stupid, wobbly head in that one.

I couldn't vote in '88 - but I was already watching politics pretty close by then. Dukakis pissed everything away with that stupid debate answer about a rapist getting due process after the fact. Probably the last major zinger question I ever saw hurled at a Dem nominee.

Posted by: Rinse and Repeat at August 23, 2022 04:24 PM (7BReP)

217 Karine Jean-Pierre has been less than 100% truthful and transparent with us?

I shan't believe it. I simply shan't.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 23, 2022 04:24 PM (a3Q+t)

218 215 This definitely seems like a drama about an overdue library book.
Posted by: LASue at August 23, 2022 04:22 PM (Ed8Zd)


Which one ? The raid or the DeSantis ad ?

Posted by: It's me donna at August 23, 2022 04:24 PM (bs+z0)

219 Military service was the only way the Whigs ever won a presidential race in the 19th century.

They put up generals without political backgrounds, and managed to squeak by. Both died early in their administrations.

Coincidence? I THINK NOT!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 23, 2022 04:24 PM (LvTSG)

220 Karine John-Peter will continue to claim the White House had no prior knowledge of the raid. It is a deniability white lie meaning they did not know the exact instant the raid would begin. But they knew the raid would be on Monday morning because Brandon gave Garland and Wray the OK for it to be done that specific morning.

Posted by: Gref at August 23, 2022 04:22 PM (AMIL/)

Also, not really a lie because Biden can't even remember from moment to moment who's hand he just shook.

Posted by: LASue at August 23, 2022 04:24 PM (Ed8Zd)

221 This entire thing stinks of Klain.

Posted by: runner at August 23, 2022 04:24 PM (zhVuU)

222 What happened to "they planted all those documents"

The only one who said that were the voices in your head. Get back on that lithium regimen like your doctor told you.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 23, 2022 04:24 PM (Ivdso)

223 {{SMH}}
You get it.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 23, 2022 04:25 PM (Y+l9t)

224 However, it will forever be a regret that I have to live with, voting for that turncoat worthless greedy fuck.

I voted for Palin, on the assumption that McCain's funeral would begin a few months into 2009. That's my rationalization and I won't be talked out of it.

Posted by: Ian S. at August 23, 2022 04:25 PM (ZGrMX)

225 This definitely seems like a drama about an overdue library book.
Posted by: LASue at August 23, 2022 04:22 PM (Ed8Zd)
_____________

It was a pretext for the World's Greatest Panty Raid.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara - Impeach Joe Biden at August 23, 2022 04:25 PM (YqDXo)

226 49 If there are any documents the regime were worried about that Trump had, they are something related to Hillary-Deep State collusion. The rest are documents nobody will ever see or care about again, including that back bench bureaucrat.


As usual, everything we are being told about this from the MSM is a distortion or flat out lie.
Posted by: Ripley at August 23, 2022 04:12 PM (MxEKc)

It's just another political op. Like the whole (yes, all of it) Covid fiasco.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at August 23, 2022 04:25 PM (Qhnrt)

227 >>This entire thing stinks of Klain.

And Lisa Monaco.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 23, 2022 04:25 PM (ZLI7S)

228 225 This definitely seems like a drama about an overdue library book.
Posted by: LASue at August 23, 2022 04:22 PM (Ed8Zd)
_____________

It was a pretext for the World's Greatest Panty Raid.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara - Impeach Joe Biden at August 23, 2022 04:25 PM (YqDXo)

========

John Belushi faked his death and went to work in the FBI?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 23, 2022 04:26 PM (LvTSG)

229 Our alibis are airtight. We asked Joe if he knew about the raid beforehand and he answered, "Peanut Butter!"

Posted by: Karine Jean-Pierre at August 23, 2022 04:26 PM (Jg92y)

230 The tank ad hurt Dukakis because he looked so darn silly. Like a little boy playing tanks.
Posted by: 29Victor at August 23, 2022 04:22 PM (BJKQV)

Yes, it was really so far out on "how stupid are you" scale it didn't fool even the fools. It was just pathetic, and it made Dukakis look pathetic, which he was, but he really showed it with his little tank stunt.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at August 23, 2022 04:26 PM (QSjkU)

231 This definitely seems like a drama about an overdue library book.
Posted by: LASue at August 23, 2022 04:22 PM (Ed8Zd)


Which one ? The raid or the DeSantis ad ?
Posted by: It's me donna

Take your pick...

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 23, 2022 04:26 PM (Y+l9t)

232 Nothing wrong with the DeSantis commercial. Kind of cheesy, but effective.

He does have an election to win, ya'know.

I liked the clips of him dressing down the reporters.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at August 23, 2022 04:26 PM (5p7BC)

233 People's Hippo Voice

Says forcefully: I will not fall for that again.

Waits a moment: Tell me more about what will happen in #twoweeks.
(I still want to believe that something will finally give us justice.)

Posted by: Iris at August 23, 2022 04:26 PM (NaH5I)

234
The tank ad hurt Dukakis because he looked so darn silly. Like a little boy playing tanks.
Posted by: 29Victor at August 23, 2

I hate when politicians show up to our Ag functions in new jeans and a cowboy hat. Just wear what you normally wear, you aren't fooling anyone.

Posted by: CaliGirl at August 23, 2022 04:26 PM (0Cl6X)

235 167
I guess between McCain, Crenshaw, and some others, I've just had it up to my eye-teeth with the whole "I was in the military, and I'm going all Zero-Dark-Thirty on these Demz, just you wait and see!" routine. It's dumb.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice
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A lot of older GOP voters still have that 80's and 90's vision of the military.

Posted by: whig at August 23, 2022 04:26 PM (CXr4y)

236 To be fair Senile Joe doesn't have prior knowledge of his next bowel movement

Posted by: N.L. Urker, my trench is full of chickens at August 23, 2022 04:26 PM (VdGjU)

237 It really is incredible to understand how clean Trump is.

As someone mentioned above, if there were anything untoward they would be using it to justify the raid.

Crickets.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Norway only has EVs because the government has guns at August 23, 2022 04:27 PM (V2MMz)

238 We should make a Biden Top Gun ad.

Put those aviators to work.

Posted by: Karine Jean Pierre's Brain at August 23, 2022 04:27 PM (5pvBX)

239
I voted for Palin, on the assumption that McCain's funeral would begin a few months into 2009. That's my rationalization and I won't be talked out of it.

-----

He went way past 2009, sadly. And he fought off a glioblastoma for a fuckin' ridiculous length of time.

I guess being in league with Satan makes these decrepit sleazebags practically invincible.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 23, 2022 04:27 PM (IXpV7)

240 Team Behind Florida Governor Ron DeSantis Purchase First National TV Campaign Ad

https://tinyurl.com/yc3fareb

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 23, 2022 04:27 PM (z6Z2i)

241 I don't think he'll be hurt or helped by the ad, but its some more exposure. I just wish he wouldn't waste time, money, and valuable political capitol on a futile run.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 23, 2022 04:27 PM (Ivdso)

242
He does have an election to win, ya'know.

I liked the clips of him dressing down the reporters.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at August 23, 2022 04:26 PM (5p7BC)



Which was the main point of the ad.

The media sucks and is the enemy of the people. I found it effective.

The Top Gun stuff was just fluff. I think it's an effective ad from the message.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 23, 2022 04:27 PM (Zz0t1)

243 It was more than the tank ad the did Dukakis in.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 23, 2022 04:27 PM (Y+l9t)

244 The tank ad hurt Dukakis because he looked so darn silly. Like a little boy playing tanks.
Posted by: 29Victor at August 23, 2022 04:22 PM (BJKQV)
____________

Also, Dukakis always came across as a pansy. It'd be like Mayor Buttplug trying to come across as butch.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara - Impeach Joe Biden at August 23, 2022 04:28 PM (YqDXo)

245 And today's newest leak is the DOJ saying it doesn't matter if none of the documents were classified or not, when considering a prosecution for violation of the Presidential Records Act.

I shit you not.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 23, 2022 03:50 PM (moLIP)

========

But Obama, Clinton, and W have no worries.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison,

Nor I.

Posted by: Hunter Bidens' laptop at August 23, 2022 04:28 PM (cY9wR)

246 221 This entire thing stinks of Klain.
Posted by: runner at August 23, 2022 04:24 PM (zhVuU

It stinks of the Kalorama cartel.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at August 23, 2022 04:28 PM (Qhnrt)

247 I hate when politicians show up to our Ag functions in new jeans and a cowboy hat

The county fair appearances. Don't. Just be who you really are, don't try to fool anyone. Trump flipped this on its head by showing up in a $2500 suit and gave helicopter rides.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 23, 2022 04:28 PM (Ivdso)

248 Does this student debt thing seem like a trap for (R) candidates? I kind of expect some emergency October inflation stimulus bill in the works, checks for $1200 anyone?

Posted by: lowandslow at August 23, 2022 04:28 PM (qH6FZ)

249 It's just another political op. Like the whole (yes, all of it) Covid fiasco.

*

Yep.

They recovered damaging documents related to Epstein, Clinton, Obama, etc., and reclassified them.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Norway only has EVs because the government has guns at August 23, 2022 04:28 PM (V2MMz)

250 I hate when politicians show up to our Ag functions in new jeans and a cowboy hat. Just wear what you normally wear, you aren't fooling anyone.
Posted by: CaliGirl at August 23, 2022 04:26 PM (0Cl6X)


How do you feel about hoodies and tats?

Posted by: John Fetterman at August 23, 2022 04:29 PM (DRSnL)

251 I want to see Trump do a campaign ad as Conan the Barbarian. Picture that in your mind with the giant sword and the long flying hair.....

Posted by: Xipe Totec at August 23, 2022 04:29 PM (QSjkU)

252 It really is incredible to understand how clean Trump is.
______________

It's truly amazing, isn't it? If he so much as torn the tag off a mattress the Reds would be shouting it from the rooftops. But, nada.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara - Impeach Joe Biden at August 23, 2022 04:29 PM (YqDXo)

253 >>It was more than the tank ad the did Dukakis in.

I lived in MA when Dukakis was governor and when he announced he was running for president a new bumpersticker became very popular overnight.

It featured a pictured of a guy laughing hysterically and the words "Dukakis for what?".

He was a joke in his home state.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 23, 2022 04:29 PM (ZLI7S)

254 Kerry had that ad where he was crawling through some tube wearing a space suit? That made him look incredibly stupid.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 23, 2022 04:30 PM (Y+l9t)

255 We should make a Biden Top Gun ad.

Kyle Dunnigan could do a great version.

Posted by: Ian S. at August 23, 2022 04:30 PM (ZGrMX)

256 243 It was more than the tank ad the did Dukakis in.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 23, 2022 04:27 PM (Y+l9t)

If kitty Dukakis were raped and murdered. That left a mark.

Posted by: CaliGirl at August 23, 2022 04:30 PM (0Cl6X)

257 I still say Trump should shave his head and grow a goatee. Unless his head looks like a bashed up wad of paper, it would make him look especially badass and dispose of that stupid combover.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 23, 2022 04:30 PM (Ivdso)

258 I want to see Trump do a campaign ad as Conan the Barbarian. Picture that in your mind with the giant sword and the long flying hair.....
Posted by: Xipe Totec
___

lol

Sorry, but no. A long, orange combover....

Just. No.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 23, 2022 04:30 PM (z6Z2i)

259 I hate when politicians show up to our Ag functions in new jeans and a cowboy hat. Just wear what you normally wear, you aren't fooling anyone.
Posted by: CaliGirl at August 23, 2022 04:26 PM


I dunno, I kind of enjoy watching a pol show up at a rodeo wearing brand-new, never-washed Levi 501s. It tells you everything without saying a word.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 23, 2022 04:30 PM (a3Q+t)

260 Wapo: Republicans making BASELESS claims about IRS putting workers in danger.

Lol

Baseless? Oh right those job ads about irs agents being willing to kill were made up.

Msm is the enemy of the people, part 100000

Posted by: Joe XiDen at August 23, 2022 04:30 PM (OalnH)

261 Kerry had that ad where he was crawling through some tube wearing a space suit? That made him look incredibly stupid.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 23, 2022 04:30 PM (Y+l9t)



It was a body condom and he was exiting the I-95 rest stop bathroom.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 23, 2022 04:31 PM (Zz0t1)

262 *peeks in*

Back to the model building.

Posted by: Anna Puma at August 23, 2022 04:31 PM (4AWFU)

263 It was more than the tank ad the did Dukakis in.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 23, 2022 04:27 PM (Y+l9t)

The response that he'd be against the death penalty if someone raped and murdered his wife was a death blow.

You could say that you would want it, but policy shouldn't be made by grieving husbands, but it sure sounded inhuman.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 23, 2022 04:31 PM (eoQWY)

264 It featured a pictured of a guy laughing hysterically and the words "Dukakis for what?".

He was a joke in his home state.


Also, GHWB's "Michael Taxkakis?!" quip defined him, in much the same way Trump's put-downs did years later.

Posted by: Ian S. at August 23, 2022 04:31 PM (ZGrMX)

265 260 Wapo: Republicans making BASELESS claims about IRS putting workers in danger.

Nobody like the IRS so that will be a tough sale to make them victims

Posted by: It's me donna at August 23, 2022 04:31 PM (bs+z0)

266 If kitty Dukakis were raped and murdered. That left a mark.
Posted by: CaliGirl at August 23, 2022 04:30 PM (0Cl6X)


I said it upthread - I remember watching that live. I remember watching my old man, Union Democrat, watch that live. It didn't turn him into a Republican - but I saw his face watching that. He didn't bother voting that November.

Posted by: Rinse and Repeat at August 23, 2022 04:32 PM (7BReP)

267 It's a good thing those boxes weren't stuffed full of mail-in ballots.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at August 23, 2022 04:32 PM (iRfpu)

268 PURGE NIGHT: DC Edition makes me wish I lived closer.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at August 23, 2022 04:32 PM (XvPQV)

269 Kerry had that ad where he was crawling through some tube wearing a space suit? That made him look incredibly stupid.

It was some NASA tour thing where they were showing him their newest ways to pander to Muslims or something.

Posted by: Ian S. at August 23, 2022 04:32 PM (ZGrMX)

270 Kerry had that ad where he was crawling through some tube wearing a space suit? That made him look incredibly stupid.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 23, 2022 04:30 PM (Y+l9t)
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I thought it was a bunny suit. Who knew he was a fluffer?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara - Impeach Joe Biden at August 23, 2022 04:32 PM (YqDXo)

271 I was also,living in MA during the Dukakis era. I still do not understand why the Democrats think MA politicians have so,e kind of National appeal. Dukakis, McGovern, Kerry, Warren, even Romney.
Boggles the mind.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 23, 2022 04:33 PM (Y+l9t)

272 Wapo: Republicans making BASELESS claims about IRS putting workers in danger.


Why do they have guns and millions of rounds of ammo?

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 23, 2022 04:33 PM (Zz0t1)

273 Every outrageous Democrat act makes me more certain of the election Red Wave. Unfortunately, a Republican majority in both houses of Congress doesn't mean squat s long as McCarthy and WarWeasel run the show.

Do I expect a single prosecution of DOJ personnel? No, I don't.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 23, 2022 04:33 PM (HmfFL)

274 We should make a Biden Top Gun ad.

Kyle Dunnigan could do a great version.


I feel the need. The need for- ahh... Jesus, who did that on the rug?

Posted by: Joe Biden at August 23, 2022 04:33 PM (Jg92y)

275 Let me know when somebody - anybody - is going to be held accountable for all this.

Because until then, this means nothing and I refuse to give a shit.

Screaming at the clouds just ain't my thing.

Posted by: Bea Arthur's Dick at August 23, 2022 04:34 PM (TU8Tj)

276 One of the worst things some politicians do is step outside what they are good at for photo ops. Don't. It doesn't matter how much its tradition, just don't. Like Hillary trying to humanize herself with that godawful bus tour.

Don't try to make yourself into what you are not. Hillary should have played up her in human cold bitch side. "You want a strong president? I'll cut my own daughter's throat for America." People would believe that, because she's a psycho. But trying to make her seem winsome and popular? "I carry hot sauce in my purse everywhere!" Just... no.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 23, 2022 04:34 PM (Ivdso)

277 273 Every outrageous Democrat act makes me more certain of the election Red Wave. Unfortunately, a Republican majority in both houses of Congress doesn't mean squat s long as McCarthy and WarWeasel run the show.

Do I expect a single prosecution of DOJ personnel? No, I don't.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 23, 2022 04:33 PM (HmfFL)

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Waves go deeper than the federal government.

It wipes out governors, and state level legislators. It wipes out school boards that wanted to ban the pledge of allegiance.

Look to the state level for positive change. Expect nothing but stalled action at the federal level.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 23, 2022 04:34 PM (LvTSG)

278 247 I hate when politicians show up to our Ag functions in new jeans and a cowboy hat

I could be wrong but I don't think think Trump has ever done this.

Posted by: N.L. Urker, my trench is full of chickens at August 23, 2022 04:35 PM (VdGjU)

279 Yeah, it is hard to remember, but in 1988 CNN single handedly destroyed the Dukakis campaign with a single question.

I remember the stunned silence of the audience after that question and watching him just melt in front of the cameras. That was the moment I knew he was going to lose.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at August 23, 2022 04:35 PM (5p7BC)

280 Cruel ace is posting photos of molesters today like it's the America's top 10 most wanted list.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at August 23, 2022 04:35 PM (iRfpu)

281 Look to the state level for positive change. Expect nothing but stalled action at the federal level.
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Unless you live in NY, MA, IL, CA, OR, WA, etc.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 23, 2022 04:36 PM (z6Z2i)

282 Hillary should have played up her in human cold bitch side. "You want a strong president? I'll cut my own daughter's throat for America."

If she really promised to kill Chelsea, I think America would be interested.

Posted by: Ian S. at August 23, 2022 04:36 PM (ZGrMX)

283 Stalled action is just fine. Gridlock for the win.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 23, 2022 04:37 PM (Y+l9t)

284 281 Unless you live in NY, MA, IL, CA, OR, WA, etc.
Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 23, 2022 04:36 PM (z6Z2i)

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When it comes to deep blue areas, well, those electoral machines are so corrupted that the only solution is to leave. There will be no positive change, just a steady attrition over time as things get steadily worse under increasingly tight one-party rule that does not need to respond to needs of the voters, propped up by billionaire money.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 23, 2022 04:37 PM (LvTSG)

285 That's how I see DeSantis. Every time he wins a conservative battle, signs something into law that I approve of, I feel it's a win for our side.
I refuse to be so jaded that I can't appreciate the attempt to make this an up ad.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice)
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It is something to talk about I guess. I avoid all political advertising now if I can help it. My wife is the one that has all the political psych knowledge as to what buttons to push. I am more a policy geek than anything. Working in politics is kind of like being a streetwalker or as a cop, you never really look at people the same after it and ultimately it makes a lot of people really cynical and burned out. I burned out.

Posted by: whig at August 23, 2022 04:37 PM (CXr4y)

286 Jean Francois Cary was in a blue bunny suit because he was in a satellite Clean Room for a photo op. Alas it can't keep politicians out.

Michael Dukakis didn't even bother to try and look like he belonged. Instead there he was standing upright in an M-1 tank in a Business Suit.

Posted by: Anna Puma at August 23, 2022 04:38 PM (4AWFU)

287 I hate when politicians show up to our Ag functions in new jeans and a cowboy hat

I could be wrong but I don't think think Trump has ever done this.


Trump famously showed up at the Iowa State Fair in a private helicopter wearing a full suit and tie. Consultants screamed in unison, but voters loved it because he wasn't being phony.

Posted by: Ian S. at August 23, 2022 04:38 PM (ZGrMX)

288 When it comes to deep blue areas, well, those electoral machines are so corrupted that the only solution is to leave.
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Yeah, well, a lot of us are poor, so moving isn't an option.

Best we could do is ensure our offspring doesn't live here.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 23, 2022 04:38 PM (z6Z2i)

289 Nobody like the IRS so that will be a tough sale to make them victims
Posted by: It's me donna at August 23, 2022 04:31 PM (bs+z0



Read the comments section at WaPo. They love the IRS because it collects money for their govt. seriously.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at August 23, 2022 04:38 PM (OalnH)

290 Compared to the rest of the Democrat louts and corruptocrats I think McGovern was a pretty decent guy. That was a long time ago and I think he was on the more moderate side.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 23, 2022 04:39 PM (wvo9L)

291 So the White House lied, who will hammer them for it?
No one will ever get to ask Sundowner about it
The Democrats Propaganda Ministry won't talk about it

Posted by: Skip at August 23, 2022 04:39 PM (k8B25)

292 I remember the stunned silence of the audience after that question and watching him just melt in front of the cameras. That was the moment I knew he was going to lose.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at August 23, 2022 04:35 PM (5p7BC)
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I had a similar moment when Mitt Romney lost the debate to Candy Crowley. When she intruded to fact-check him and he politely moved on, instead of crushing her like the Florida-sized cockroach she was, I knew he'd lose.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 23, 2022 04:39 PM (HmfFL)

293 Who runs the White House?
Posted by: BourbonChicken

We would be a shitload better off if it was MasterBlaster.
Posted by: Xipe Totec
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The place still runs on pig-shit though.

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at August 23, 2022 04:39 PM (yikp0)

294 >>I was also,living in MA during the Dukakis era. I still do not understand why the Democrats think MA politicians have so,e kind of National appeal. Dukakis, McGovern, Kerry, Warren, even Romney.
Boggles the mind.

Because of Camelot.

Our first teevee presidency which the left and the media tried to turn into a fairy tale.

Worked for a while.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 23, 2022 04:39 PM (ZLI7S)

295 Love RDS. Think the GOPe-engineered Top Guv spot is ghey. Dukakis in a tank. Kind of like the superhero Crenshaw ad last cycle.

Posted by: Valiant at August 23, 2022 04:40 PM (cy2xC)

296 Who was more wooden?

Michael Dukakis standing in the tank or a cigar store Indian?

Posted by: Anna Puma at August 23, 2022 04:40 PM (4AWFU)

297 The left doesn't care. They don't care about the rule of law. They know stiffs like us -Trump included - respect the law and will go through the courts which will take months, if not years, and cost a lot of money.

Some day our side might wise up and ignore the rule of law. That will be the last day.

Posted by: Archer at August 23, 2022 04:40 PM (gmo/4)

298 >>>also that archivist dude is clearly a MASSIVE queen. they can be really annoying and in their overly dramatic pestering!

what a terrible thing to say

Posted by: Chuy at August 23, 2022 04:40 PM (B3oWe)

299 >>>Trump famously showed up at the Iowa State Fair in a private helicopter wearing a full suit and tie. Consultants screamed in unison, but voters loved it because he wasn't being phony.

Posted by: Ian S.

>Wasn't he giving the kiddies helicopter rides? That's pretty awesome.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at August 23, 2022 04:40 PM (iRfpu)

300 I hate when politicians show up to our Ag functions in new jeans and a cowboy hat

I could be wrong but I don't think think Trump has ever done this.
Posted by: N.L. Urker


I think it was the Iowa state fair, where Trump showed up in his helicopter and a suit, while all the other politicians were trying to pander by wearing jeans and flannel.

Posted by: rickb223 Cruel ace is the best ace at August 23, 2022 04:40 PM (gUnY3)

301 288 Yeah, well, a lot of us are poor, so moving isn't an option.

Best we could do is ensure our offspring doesn't live here.
Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 23, 2022 04:38 PM (z6Z2i)

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I don't know your situation, obviously, but moving can be cheap. Sell everything. Go somewhere cheaper. With the ability to move anywhere in America, you could move to bumfuck Alabama and get a decent paying job in the Wal-Mart distribution center in Cullman.

If you're part of the laptop class, it's immaterially cheap because the job isn't part of the equation anymore. I know a guy who moves every six months or so, but always keeps the same job.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 23, 2022 04:41 PM (LvTSG)

302 If she really promised to kill Chelsea, I think America would be interested.Posted by: Ian S. at August 23, 2022 04:36 PM (ZGrMX)

I'd be more interested if she said she'd do in Bill.

And, No, FiBBies. I'm not hopng someone will do him in or meeting with anyone online or in bars to discuss his being kdnapped

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 23, 2022 04:42 PM (wvo9L)

303 You know who could order the warrent affidavit released without redactions to prove this wasn't a political operation directed from the White House?

Joe Biden.

Weird no one is calling on him to order that ....

Maybe because "sources and methods" is a direct line back to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue....

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 23, 2022 04:42 PM (Zf0+a)

304 I am just impressed that WSJ has a sober analysis of the events.

Posted by: runner at August 23, 2022 04:42 PM (zhVuU)

305 Also, Dukakis always came across as a pansy. It'd be like Mayor Buttplug trying to come across as butch.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara - Impeach Joe Biden at August 23, 2022 04:28 PM (YqDXo)

Yeah. It's like he made a meme of himself. He automemed.

Posted by: 29Victor at August 23, 2022 04:43 PM (BJKQV)

306 When it comes to deep blue areas, well, those electoral machines are so corrupted that the only solution is to leave. There will be no positive change, just a steady attrition over time as things get steadily worse under increasingly tight one-party rule that does not need to respond to needs of the voters, propped up by billionaire money. Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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Eventually, though, the wells run dry and the majority faction splits into two or more. I always get a chuckle about how the era of Monroe's presidency with one party was called the Era of Good Feelings. It produced the 1824 elections where Andy Jackson had the plurality and Congress installed JQ Adams, probably the most prepared genius that we have had in office. It was an disaster and the Era of Good Feelings gave way to AJ and the patronage system where Andy drove out the technocrats from office while Marty Van Buren handled the politics which was to make deals with the majority faction of the Democrats in each state. That led to the Whig party as it attracted the losers to seek office from each state's Democrat minority party faction.

Posted by: whig at August 23, 2022 04:43 PM (CXr4y)

307 Whig, I think that's a perfect definition of most of us on the blog. We are immersed in it so very cynical. As I have said before, I am a glass half full girl and try to make a difference where I can and try not to let the places where I can't ruin my life with anger and bitterness. That's for leftists.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 23, 2022 04:43 PM (Y+l9t)

308 McGovern? Hell Humphreys, couldn't get picked to run by today's democrat party.

Posted by: Archer at August 23, 2022 04:43 PM (gmo/4)

309 What constitutes poor?

Posted by: Infidel at August 23, 2022 04:43 PM (QgnTJ)

310 287 I hate when politicians show up to our Ag functions in new jeans and a cowboy hat

I could be wrong but I don't think think Trump has ever done this.

Trump famously showed up at the Iowa State Fair in a private helicopter wearing a full suit and tie. Consultants screamed in unison, but voters loved it because he wasn't being phony.
Posted by: Ian S. at August 23, 2022 04:38 PM

He didn't show up in a redneck halloween costume, I may have hay in my hair but I can smell a phony from a mile away.

Posted by: CaliGirl at August 23, 2022 04:43 PM (0Cl6X)

311 I hate when politicians show up to our Ag functions in new jeans and a cowboy hat

I could be wrong but I don't think think Trump has ever done this.
Posted by: N.L. Urker, my tren

IIRC, he showed up at the Iowa state fair in a suit and tie and gave kids rides on his helicopter. He was and is exactly who he professes to be, which is a YUGE part of his appeal.

Posted by: LASue at August 23, 2022 04:43 PM (Ed8Zd)

312 @290 Compared to the rest of the Democrat louts and corruptocrats I think McGovern was a pretty decent guy. That was a long time ago and I think he was on the more moderate side.

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Was McGovern the one who tried to run a hotel after he left politics, and realized that the government was killing businesses with overregulation?

Posted by: junior at August 23, 2022 04:44 PM (ZFIc9)

313 If you're part of the laptop class, it's immaterially cheap because the job isn't part of the equation anymore. I know a guy who moves every six months or so, but always keeps the same job.
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We're part of the working poor class.

Got it?

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 23, 2022 04:44 PM (2Or5V)

314 306 It produced the 1824 elections where Andy Jackson had the plurality and Congress installed JQ Adams, probably the most prepared genius that we have had in office. It was an disaster and the Era of Good Feelings gave way to AJ and the patronage system where Andy drove out the technocrats from office while Marty Van Buren handled the politics which was to make deals with the majority faction of the Democrats in each state. That led to the Whig party as it attracted the losers to seek office from each state's Democrat minority party faction.
Posted by: whig at August 23, 2022 04:43 PM (CXr4y)

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Corruption kept the people's choice out of power, but not forever.

This time will be different, though, because our enemies are so much smarter than...Henry Clay.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 23, 2022 04:45 PM (LvTSG)

315 All these people "coincidentally" look like kiddy diddlers.

Posted by: ... at August 23, 2022 04:45 PM (0HOXn)

316 All of Obama's papers are in a warehouse in Chicago.

When the National Archives asked to see his papers

he told them to f' off.


Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at August 23, 2022 04:45 PM (mRaXM)

317 Our elected Republicans are up in arms about this or nah bro

Posted by: ... at August 23, 2022 04:45 PM (0HOXn)

318 313 We're part of the working poor class.

Got it?
Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 23, 2022 04:44 PM (2Or5V)

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I said I didn't know your situation. I'm not judging you.

Moving is generally expensive, but it can be made cheaper.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 23, 2022 04:46 PM (LvTSG)

319 "This definitely seems like a drama about an overdue library book.
Posted by: LASue "


Nobody is above the law! Trump must pay his fines just like you and me.

Posted by: Ripley at August 23, 2022 04:46 PM (MxEKc)

320 Whatevers.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 23, 2022 04:46 PM (2Or5V)

321 osted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 23, 2022 04:41 PM (LvTSG)

FYI- Your mom's book arrived- it looks great.

Posted by: LASue at August 23, 2022 04:46 PM (Ed8Zd)

322 290 Compared to the rest of the Democrat louts and corruptocrats I think McGovern was a pretty decent guy. That was a long time ago and I think he was on the more moderate side.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke
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McGovern actually tried to earn a living after holding office by running a bed and breakfast if I remember correctly. I do remember him noting that running a business taught him a lot about the problems of dealing with governments than his years holding office.

Dukakis, for all his lack of magnetism, quietly went back to teaching rather than circulating around ginning up money by political grifting and eschewed the limelight. For all his faults, he was a basically decent person.

Posted by: whig at August 23, 2022 04:47 PM (CXr4y)

323 That pic of pelosi ..the sashes need medals...lots and lots of medals.

99% of political ads are terrible

Posted by: a dude in MI at August 23, 2022 04:47 PM (/6GbT)

324 Nobody is above the law! Trump must pay his fines just like you and me.
Posted by: Ripley at August 23, 2022 04:46 PM (MxEKc)


I don't think library fines are a thing anymore. Racist, or something.

Posted by: Jordan61 at August 23, 2022 04:47 PM (DRSnL)

325 I have not seen DeSantis' ad, but by the same token, I pretty much HATE/LOATHE all political ads.

'I like IKE' was pretty catchy.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 23, 2022 04:47 PM (HJDAV)

326 320 Whatevers.
Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 23, 2022 04:46 PM (2Or5V)

I'd love to leave CA. too but it's not that simple... My Children and Grand kids are here and My Husband and I aren't exactly spring chickens....

Posted by: It's me donna at August 23, 2022 04:47 PM (bs+z0)

327 >258 I want to see Trump do a campaign ad as Conan the Barbarian.


I'd go for 40K and Emperor of Mankind

Posted by: Fool Otto at August 23, 2022 04:47 PM (DB16e)

328 321 osted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 23, 2022 04:41 PM (LvTSG)

FYI- Your mom's book arrived- it looks great.
Posted by: LASue at August 23, 2022 04:46 PM (Ed8Zd)

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Cool! I've held that book a few times. Your copy specifically. They all go through me. Quality control, and all.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 23, 2022 04:47 PM (LvTSG)

329 " scale it didn't fool even the fools. It was just pathetic, and it made Dukakis look pathetic, which he was, but he really showed it with his little tank stunt.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at August 23, 2022 04:26 PM (QSjkU

***

Can I get me a huntin' license

Posted by: Jean Francois Kerrie at August 23, 2022 04:48 PM (6H/c1)

330 IIRC, he showed up at the Iowa state fair in a suit and tie and gave kids rides on his helicopter. "

That was when i first started thinking he had a chance. He had that sourpuss NPR reporter along for the ride too.

Posted by: fd at August 23, 2022 04:48 PM (sn5EN)

331 I don't know your situation, obviously, but moving can be cheap. Sell everything. Go somewhere cheaper. With the ability to move anywhere in America, you could move to bumfuck Alabama and get a decent paying job in the Wal-Mart distribution center in Cullman.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 23, 2022 04:41 PM (LvTSG)

My wife and I both have successful small businesses that we'd have to shut down if we left the Socialism Sandwich that is our current home. I'm over 50 and would have to start a new career or be a Walmart greater. We would never get back to the standard of living we have now.

Nevertheless, we're thinking about it more and more every year.

Posted by: 29Victor at August 23, 2022 04:48 PM (BJKQV)

332 A hole is in cahoots! This smiling Douch bag is prolly responsible for Oblahblah 'archiving' mountains of classified documents that will remain untouchable for years to come.. Making up the rules as they go!! Fuck them in the squeekhole

Posted by: Commentor What Got a Shirt at August 23, 2022 04:48 PM (EKM4/)

333 Posted by: junior at August 23, 2022 04:44 PM (ZFIc9

I don't know. I hope so.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 23, 2022 04:48 PM (wvo9L)

334 From the thread: "On April 11, 2022, the White House Counsel's Office- affirming a request from the Department of Justice supported by an FBI letterhead memorandum

archivesdotgov/about/history/archivists/ferriero
David S. Ferriero served as the 10th Archivist of the United States, from November 13, 2009, to APRIL 30, 2022. (Emphasis added.)

During Mr. Ferriero’s tenure, to further openness and access, the agency embraced a number of social media tools—Facebook, Twitter, blogs, YouTube, Tumblr, and others—to reach a wider and broader audience. Mr. Ferriero also created a crowd-sourcing initiative called "citizen archivists,” to get the public more involved with identifying, describing, and sharing federal records, and in 2013 opened the agency’s Innovation Hub.

whitehousehistory org Aug 03, 2022 Washington, D.C. — President Joe Biden will nominate Dr. Colleen Shogan as the next Archivist of the United States.

Posted by: Lola at August 23, 2022 04:48 PM (NIYa7)

335 So this guy is like the Library Cop on “Seinfeld”?

Posted by: TexasJew at August 23, 2022 04:48 PM (1wVUw)

336 >>>also that archivist dude is clearly a MASSIVE queen. they can be really annoying and in their overly dramatic pestering!

what a terrible thing to say
Posted by: Chuy
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And so soon after PRIDE Month!

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at August 23, 2022 04:48 PM (yikp0)

337 I'd love to leave CA. too but it's not that simple... My Children and Grand kids are here and My Husband and I aren't exactly spring chickens....
Posted by: It's me donna
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Whaaaa??? You should be able to just sell everything and move.

It's sooo easy.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 23, 2022 04:49 PM (2Or5V)

338 The Emperor Protects.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 23, 2022 04:49 PM (44ww/)

339 >>> where Andy drove out the technocrats from office
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, shut down the federal reserve bank and balanced the budget. Also stopped the first attempt at secession.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at August 23, 2022 04:49 PM (mRaXM)

340 336 >>>also that archivist dude is clearly a MASSIVE queen. they can be really annoying and in their overly dramatic pestering!

what a terrible thing to say
Posted by: Chuy

This is like Liberace calling someone tacky.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 23, 2022 04:49 PM (HJDAV)

341 squeakhole (sp)

Posted by: Commentor What Got a Shirt at August 23, 2022 04:49 PM (EKM4/)

342 I liked the DeSantis ad ... he does the pilot thing at the end, but then his kid is at the stick, so not like DeSantis is pretending to be a pilot. But the mission is serious.

Posted by: illiniwek at August 23, 2022 04:50 PM (Cus5s)

343 Trump as the Peshwa warrior was fun.

Posted by: Infidel at August 23, 2022 04:50 PM (QgnTJ)

344
i heard the ad from another room, probably pretty cheesy.... but I don't know if it's being objected to on effectiveness, or just because some really object to anyone even testing the waters to challenge trump.

Posted by: Chuy at August 23, 2022 04:12 PM (B3oWe)

Ludicrous.

I like Trump a lot. I want someone MORE effective than Trump. Better than Trump. I want 10 of them. I would cheer it from now to the end of time even if it meant Trump quietly going into the sunset right fucking now. We don't have them.

People thinking we have one, let alone more than one, are in for a fuck of a shock someday. Don't be so convinced of the blinders on your neighbors that you miss the brick wall you're standing behind.

Posted by: ... at August 23, 2022 04:50 PM (0HOXn)

345 For all his faults, he was a basically decent person.
Posted by: whig at August 23, 2022 04:47 PM (CXr4y)

I was a voting Democrat then. I really didn't mind Dukakis except for that ad-which I thought was lame brained.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 23, 2022 04:50 PM (wvo9L)

346
Beware the fake "black pillers."
(The stupid "both parties suck" assholes.)
They are Democrats trying to boost fake libertarian/independent candidates and/or kill R turnout.

I hath spoken.

Posted by: Soothsayer, the #1 most trusted name in news at August 23, 2022 04:50 PM (ee2OS)

347 Remember, Ron Klain said out loud in an interview that they got more done when Biden wasn't around. He is spending one day inDC this week in order to attend a get put the vote rally in Montgomery County MD a short limo ride from the White House then immediately going back to Delaware.
Thee is no one home behind those aviators. Do you anyone with any kind of brain function left would have allowed an u Serling to say he was irrelevant to the day to day operations of the government he was elected to oversee?

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 23, 2022 04:50 PM (Y+l9t)

348 This time will be different, though, because our enemies are so much smarter than...Henry Clay.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison

Ironically, both Henry Clay and Andrew Jackson had correct points to make about the 2nd Bank of the US. Jackson was correct that the 2nd Bank became a self dealing corruption machine buying pols. Clay was correct that killing the bank would cause massive economic disruption. Both were correct. Van Buren paid the price for it though during his term in office. Marty was a smart organizational man for the Dem party as his template lasted until primaries came along. He was not so good as president as the economic crash from the 2nd Bank's expiration led to his one term in office.

Posted by: whig at August 23, 2022 04:51 PM (CXr4y)

349 Please excuse all the incredible autocorrect errors in my last post.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 23, 2022 04:51 PM (Y+l9t)

350 349 Please excuse all the incredible autocorrect errors in my last post.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 23, 2022 04:51 PM (Y+l9t)

Whot ? yer spelin ws gud....

Posted by: It's me donna at August 23, 2022 04:52 PM (bs+z0)

351 Beware the fake "black pillers."
(The stupid "both parties suck" assholes.)
They are Democrats trying to boost fake libertarian/independent candidates and/or kill R turnout.

I hath spoken.

Posted by: Soothsayer, the #1 most trusted name in news at August 23, 2022 04:50 PM (ee2OS)

Rah Rah the GOP has your back. Democrats bad.

Who the fuck are *you* kidding?

Posted by: ... at August 23, 2022 04:52 PM (0HOXn)

352

National Archivist David S. Ferriero served to April 30, 2022.

New nominee announced August 3, 2022.

Posted by: Lola at August 23, 2022 04:53 PM (NIYa7)

353 It's sooo easy.
Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 23, 2022 04:49 PM (2Or5V)

I wish it was easy. I have stuff here from my grandparents.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 23, 2022 04:54 PM (wvo9L)

354
There are two Hordeans who moved to AZ this year and at least three others who have made big moves. Ask them what it's like.


Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at August 23, 2022 04:54 PM (mRaXM)

355 Vote GOP to spend several billion less and be insulted daily by people in your own colors!!!!

Posted by: ... at August 23, 2022 04:55 PM (0HOXn)

356 Moving is an expensive PITA no matter how you do it, but sometimes its worth it. I can understand and support either side: stay or go.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 23, 2022 04:55 PM (Ivdso)

357 Should I stay or should I go?

-- The Clash.

Posted by: Archer at August 23, 2022 04:57 PM (gmo/4)

358 , shut down the federal reserve bank and balanced the budget. Also stopped the first attempt at secession.

Posted by: Braenyard
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I can bore people to tears with minutia on politics and the history of the parties. As I said above, AJ had his good points but Marty paid the political price for AJ's actions. Central banks are really useful for some functions and a dual federal and state based banking system is one of the better solutions. State only banks created a lot of problems because they bought the state politicians who were supposed to ensure they were sound. So, corruption is constant in whatever form of government exists--if we want a republic, voters always have to keep that they must do due diligence or the republic will be taken out of their hands.

Posted by: whig at August 23, 2022 04:57 PM (CXr4y)

359 >>> I wish it was easy. I have stuff here from my grandparents.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke
-------------------------

Worrying about it is tougher than doing it.
Crate it up, put it in a storage bldg then ship it to your new home when you've made the purchase.

The difference in the dollars you sell for and purchase for will cover your extras.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at August 23, 2022 04:59 PM (mRaXM)

360 Remember this - your grandparents don't GAS.

Dealing with that stuff was one of the hardest things I ever did. Your memories can't be taken from you.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at August 23, 2022 05:02 PM (mRaXM)

361 Worrying about it is tougher than doing it.
Crate it up, put it in a storage bldg then ship it to your new home when you've made the purchase.

The difference in the dollars you sell for and purchase for will cover your extras.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at August 23, 2022 04:59 PM (mRaXM)

This is like listening to a college student tell me how simple implementing universal healthcare would be.

Posted by: 29Victor at August 23, 2022 05:02 PM (BJKQV)

362 This is what I'm thinking so far:
1. J6 Committee staffer learns about Presidential Records act, and realizes it is a "window" into all Presidential records/papers. They think the DJT papers will provide them ammunition for the "insurrection" narrative. But are dissatisifed that info wont come to them in time to disqualify DJT from running in 2024.

2. Staffer's boss (yet-to-be identified) puts a bug in the ear of the National Archives to agitate for the DJT materials "now" (in coordination with the staffer).

3. Realizing that DJT isn't going to cough up all his papers soon, that will surely be used against him as proof of phony/fake "Insurrection" Congresscritter starts spinning wheels with DOJ/FBI --what if a President "violated" directives of the Archivist to turn over records.

4. Deep State DOJ/FBI comes up with the "national security" gloss on the demands, working with the Archivist, and ratchets up the correspondence that "vital national security materials" need to be turned over for inspection, asap.

5. DJT smells a rat and drags his feet.

6. J6 Committee/DOJ/FBI decide to push the warrant...

Posted by: Zek at August 23, 2022 05:07 PM (OzNIz)

363 nood

assholes

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at August 23, 2022 05:07 PM (yikp0)

364 I wish it was easy. I have stuff here from my grandparents.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke

A piano collection ?

Posted by: JT at August 23, 2022 05:07 PM (T4tVD)

365 All this “National Security” nuclear horseshit is just to keep the "investigation" within the National Security Division, under the same old Obama Trash who ran the last hundred Trump Frame-Ups. There is zero accountability at DOJ and less-than-zero at the NSD.


On the bright side, if they were humming the theme from "Frozen" while fondling Melania's underpants, they might qualify for the FBI's free Transitioning Program!

They stopped touching their own wives’ panties years ago IYKWIMAITYD.

The Tale of the Disgruntled Homo Librarian(tm) is just an alibi story for the Secret Police.

THE MAR-A-LAGO RAID WAS DONE BY AND FOR OUR SECRET POLICE TO RETRIEVE THE DOCUMENTS WHICH LAY OUT THEIR OWN OVERWHELMING SEDITIOUS CRIMINAL GUILT.

You're welcome.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at August 23, 2022 05:11 PM (Ndje9)

366 Posted by: Zek
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Very plausible.

Posted by: whig at August 23, 2022 05:11 PM (CXr4y)

367 Keep the homestead, buy an RV.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at August 23, 2022 05:13 PM (iRfpu)

368 I sure hope Ace has a joyous Cafe tonight; today's stories are so dispiriting.

I know NaCly Dog says smile and drive the Left mad, but today is hard.

Posted by: JM in Florida at August 23, 2022 05:41 PM (h9IEj)

369
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Posted by: Vanessa Carlson at August 23, 2022 10:28 PM (rorCO)

370 What are you going to do if that classified info was about what Hillary sent on her unclassified server? It's illegal to keep information about Hillary doing the same thing but much worse, but Hillary can't be punished?

Posted by: ChrisW at August 23, 2022 11:30 PM (ItDku)

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