Wednesday Overnight Open Thread (6/22/22)

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The Quotes of The Day

Quote I
“The government’s wanting to make this transition and shift to EVs, and there are several concerns around that in the automotive vertical and specifically the dealership world,” Sean Kelley, founder of CarMotivators

Quote II
“The possibility of being stopped by Coast Guard crews while illegally migrating through the Caribbean Sea is high. No one should risk their lives on unsafe rustic vessels in unpredictable seas.”Lt. Cmdr. Mark Cobb of the Coast Guard Seventh District

Quote III
“The modern environmental movement is built on false philosophical premises – that mankind is apart from nature, that nature is static, and many others. What I find most fascinating about all this, is the adoption of such false philosophical premises is rooted in a presumption of god-like status for mankind. For Christians, seeking such a status is the very root and beginning of the concept of sin.” John Schroeder

Quote IV
“The safety of our community members and our officers remain at the core of this new foot pursuit policy,” Superintendent David Brown

Quote V
“We are ending oil drilling in Los Angeles. We are moving to all-electric new construction. And we are building toward fossil fuel-free transportation. Our great and influential city, which grew up around the automobile, is the perfect place to figure out how to move off the gas-powered car.” Paul Koretz, the LA council

LOL figure out.

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Shut up you grifting bitch.

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What a sad existence her life must be. I'm sure there is some perfect country out there for her.

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When Leftists force their way into a Capitol, it's perfectly fine.

While the state’s law would go after doctors or providers that assist women in getting abortions, it does not expressly punish women who perform their own abortions, according to the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.
According to the outlet, "Wisconsin state law requires the Legislature to meet if the governor takes executive action and call for a special session. It is up to the discretion of lawmakers, however, to determine how long a session lasts and what topics are or are not discussed."
Inside the Wisconsin capitol building, as lawmakers were meeting, pro-abortion activists with Planned Parenthood flooded into the building’s rotunda, loudly chanting.

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Queer Bible studies. Why not conduct Queer Koran studies?

The Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) allows students to rent out a Rainbow Lounge for various events and meetings.
LBGTQ+ Services at MIT, an “Intercultural Campus Resource for Diverse Gender, Romantic, and Sexual Identities,” is in charge of the lounge.
LBGTQ+ Services partners with Harvard University to hold a Queer Bible Study Group in the Lounge that meets on Thursdays. The group hopes to "create a queer- and trans-affirming Christian space in which we can bring the fullness of our lives, desires, and selves into conversation with the good news of Jesus Christ.”
In May, MIT’s Lavender Graduation was held in the Rainbow Lounge.

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To Protect and ~~Serve~~ Eat Pastry.

AUSTIN (CBSDFW.COM) — The Texas State Senator representing the district that includes Uvalde filed a lawsuit against the Texas Department of Safety on June 22, 2022, accusing the agency of unlawfully denying an open records request.
Sen. Roland Gutierrez, a Democrat who represents District 19, said he first sent the open records request to DPS on May 31, 2022 asking for "several categories of information." District 19 includes parts of San Antonio, Del Rio, Eagle Pass, Uvalde, and Universal City.
He said the agency did not properly handle his request for documents related to the May 24 shooting at Robb Elementary that left 19 students and two teachers dead. Sen. Gutierrez has previously called for Texas DPS to be more transparent in its investigation.

More cowardice from the chief of police for the Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District.

The Uvalde City Council unanimously denied council member Pete Arredondo's request for a leave of absence from future meetings, in an effort to be more transparent following criticisms of law enforcement's handling of the Robb Elementary School mass shooting.
Arredondo, who serves as the chief of police for the Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District and was sworn in as a city council member at the end of May, wanted to be exempt from attending future city council meetings.
A motion was unanimously denied to grant a leave of absence to the newly elected council member, who was not present Tuesday night. Per city council rules, there is a $2 fine for missing council meetings, and after three missed meetings, the other council members can vote to have a member removed from their post.

Breaking: Uvalde School Police Chief Arredondo Placed On Leave

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Why should we vote Republican in the mid-term elections? Why?

After facing swift and intense backlash from conservatives and Republican lawmakers, Sen. John Cornyn (R-TX) claimed that he was joking about striking a deal on amnesty after negotiating a deal on gun control.
As the Senate voted to advance gun legislation on Tuesday night, which arose from Cornyn’s negotiations with Democrats, Cornyn told Sen. Alex Padilla (D-CA), “First guns, now it’s immigration.”
In response to Cornyn’s comment, Sinema said, “That’s right, we’re going to do it.”

You're in the minority. It really doesn't matter if you all vote "No". Your fellow Republicans in the Senate have fvcked the base once again.

House Republicans have vowed to oppose the bipartisan gun-control bill that was sanctioned by Senate GOP leaders who lined up the needed support for it to pass in the upper chamber as soon as Thursday.
House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy and GOP Whip Steve Scalise are actively whipping members of their conference to vote no on the bill. The duo is maneuvering not necessarily to defeat the bill, but rather to show unwavering resolve within the House GOP against gun control.
Mr. Scalise, Louisiana Republican, told The Washington Times that they were whipping against the bill.

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The ONT Musical Interlude & Seasoned Salt Emporium

Born on this day: June 22, 1947 - Howard Kaylan
Howard Kaylan, from the The Turtles who had the US 1967 No.1 single 'Happy Together' and the 1967 hit 'She'd Rather Be with Me'. He later worked with Frank Zappa, alongside his friend and partner Mark Volman who used the stage names of Flo & Eddie. via thisdayinmusic.com

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Born on this day: June 22, 1948 - Todd Rundgren
American multi-instrumentalist, singer, songwriter, and record producer Todd Rundgren. Member of Nazz and Utopia. Had the solo 1972 US No.16 & 1973 UK No.36 single 'I Saw The Light'. Rundgren engineered / produced many notable albums for other acts, including The Band's Stage Fright (1970), Badfinger's Straight Up (1971), Grand Funk Railroad's We're an American Band (1973), the New York Dolls's New York Dolls (1973), Hall & Oates's War Babies (1974), Bat Out Of Hell (1977). via thisdayinmusic.com

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He cracked me up when I watched the NFL. RIP Tony Siragusa.

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I wouldn't mind visiting Scotland. But, this is one town I will really don't want to visit.

Village overrun by leaping cannibal rats infesting bins and eating anything to survive
Residents in Plean, near Stirling in Scotland, say the area has been over-run with rats since their bin collections went from fortnightly to monthly and roadworks disturbed rats' nests

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Social media once again reveals and produces a Genius Award Winner.

After suffering a fall at work in 2013, Anthony Ragusa’s life changed drastically, he reported on his application for disability benefits, state prosecutors in New York said. It hurt to bend over to tie his shoes, he had difficulty walking for more than 15 minutes and sitting for more than 30. Working, he wrote, was out of the question.
On Instagram, he was an “avid weightlifter,” prosecutors said.
And his wife’s social media posts of the now-52-year-old lifting and training in gyms were used in court to charge him with fraudulently collecting more than $200,000 in disability benefits from 2015 to 2020, according to a news release from the New York Attorney General’s Office.
Ragusa pleaded guilty on June 14 before State Supreme Court Judge Anthony Senft Jr. in Suffolk County Court,

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This is one investment that will pay big dividends. Tonight's Feel Good Story of The Day.

MONTGOMERY, Ala. (WSFA) - The Family Sunshine Center has a new member on their staff, and she is wagging with excitement.
Meet Louisa or “LuLu”! The treatment center’s new trauma therapy dog.

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Genius Award Winner is also Tonight's Feel Good Story of The Day.

Trying to rob a gun store with a knife proved to be a deadly mistake for a Texas man Tuesday.
The unidentified man went into Carter’s Country guns and ammunition store in southwest Houston around 3 p.m. with what police described as a “bladed object” and began stealing from the cash register, authorities said. A store employee confronted him and shot at him twice, police said.

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Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at 10:03 PM

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1 Yes!!!!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana! ~ at June 22, 2022 10:03 PM (hOUT3)

2 Whack a doodle is a weird saying.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 22, 2022 10:03 PM (4bYcn)

3

WOOT! WOOT!

Posted by: Zettai at June 22, 2022 10:03 PM (UvL+j)

4 Good evening everyone.

Posted by: Tonypete on the road at June 22, 2022 10:03 PM (pTyJa)

5 Hi all

Posted by: Ciampino at June 22, 2022 10:03 PM (qfLjt)

6 Gray

Posted by: lin-duh at June 22, 2022 10:04 PM (UUBmN)

7 ONT!

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at June 22, 2022 10:04 PM (kf6Ak)

8 6

Posted by: Theodore at June 22, 2022 10:04 PM (GJnvT)

9 Second is the new first!

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 22, 2022 10:04 PM (4bYcn)

10 Ahoy hoy!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Analog Hipster at June 22, 2022 10:04 PM (Dc2NZ)

11 ONT!! Whoot! Whoot!

Posted by: Iris at June 22, 2022 10:04 PM (foa6+)

12

The always posh Feldgrau theme!

Posted by: Zettai at June 22, 2022 10:04 PM (UvL+j)

13 ONT IN A BOX!

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at June 22, 2022 10:04 PM (kf6Ak)

14 If you've had an erection since 1976, you should have seen a doctor by now.

Posted by: mikeski at June 22, 2022 10:04 PM (P1f+c)

15 Good Evening

Posted by: Braenyard at June 22, 2022 10:04 PM (Ff89T)

16 Bob Ross did a painting like the top pic. But he didn't use gray....

Posted by: OrangeEnt at June 22, 2022 10:04 PM (7bRMQ)

17 Klaatu.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at June 22, 2022 10:06 PM (ufFY8)

18 good evening y'all

Posted by: wing at June 22, 2022 10:06 PM (PlW9M)

19 Coryn may be in damage control mode. We've been invited to a virtual town hall (phone?) tomorrow night. I don't think he'll take our questions since they have to be vetted but I will report whatever bs he spews.

Posted by: LASue at June 22, 2022 10:06 PM (Ed8Zd)

20 Thanks for another great ONT, Mis Hum!

Love the photo up top. Such a lovely sunset. Nice tune behind it too.

Posted by: Legally Sufficient at June 22, 2022 10:06 PM (xT18z)

21 Congrats to Commissar Hrothgar!

Posted by: Theodore at June 22, 2022 10:06 PM (GJnvT)

22 19 Coryn may be in damage control mode. We've been invited to a virtual town hall (phone?) tomorrow night. I don't think he'll take our questions since they have to be vetted but I will report whatever bs he spews.
Posted by: LASue at June 22, 2022 10:06 PM (Ed8Zd

He's playing that typical game of 'we had to do something!' Which always results in the worst legislation possible and a dump truck of unintended consequences.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 22, 2022 10:07 PM (4bYcn)

23 LBGTQ+ Services partners with Harvard University to hold a Queer Bible Study Group in the Lounge that meets on Thursdays. The group hopes to "create a queer- and trans-affirming Christian space in which we can bring the fullness of our lives, desires, and selves into conversation with the good news of Jesus Christ.”

Guess you need to really study the Book. I don't think it turns out the way you want.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at June 22, 2022 10:07 PM (7bRMQ)

24 Congratulations on your firstiness, Hrothgar!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Analog Hipster at June 22, 2022 10:07 PM (Dc2NZ)

25 If you've had an erection since 1976, you should have seen a doctor by now.
Posted by: mikeski

Doctor - "Why are you telling me this?"

Are you kidding? I'm telling everyone!!

Posted by: Tonypete on the road at June 22, 2022 10:07 PM (pTyJa)

26 "The modern environmental movement is built on false philosophical premises – that mankind is apart from nature, that nature is static, and many others. What I find most fascinating about all this, is the adoption of such false philosophical premises is rooted in a presumption of god-like status for mankind. For Christians, seeking such a status is the very root and beginning of the concept of sin." John Schroeder

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That's chock full of truth.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Spring Is In the Air! at June 22, 2022 10:07 PM (FVME7)

27 19 Coryn may be in damage control mode. We've been invited to a virtual town hall (phone?) tomorrow night. I don't think he'll take our questions since they have to be vetted but I will report whatever bs he spews.
Posted by: LASue at June 22, 2022 10:06 PM (Ed8Zd)

Hopefully you can make him mighty uncomfortable.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 22, 2022 10:07 PM (2nCKy)

28 Here, present, and kinda accounted fot....

Posted by: COMountainMarie at June 22, 2022 10:08 PM (Z5eyD)

29 Yay, ONT!

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com. Not insurgents, counterrevolutionaries. at June 22, 2022 10:08 PM (Bd6X8)

30 Second is the new first!
Posted by: AlaBAMA

Au contraire, first is the very epitome of first!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana! ~ at June 22, 2022 10:08 PM (hOUT3)

31 Posted by: LASue at June 22, 2022 10:06 PM (Ed8Zd)

Hopefully you can make him mighty uncomfortable.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian

Maybe wear a t-shirt with a pointed message on it?

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at June 22, 2022 10:09 PM (kf6Ak)

32 Thanks Theodore!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana! ~ at June 22, 2022 10:09 PM (hOUT3)

33 LBGTQ+ Services partners with Harvard University to hold a Queer Bible Study Group
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian

Just spitballing, but I'm guessing there won't be a big focus on Leviticus.

Posted by: mikeski at June 22, 2022 10:10 PM (P1f+c)

34 "We are ending oil drilling in Los Angeles. We are moving to all-electric new construction. And we are building toward fossil fuel-free transportation. Our great and influential city, which grew up around the automobile, is the perfect place to figure out how to move off the gas-powered car." Paul Koretz, the LA council

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Chock full of idiocy.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Spring Is In the Air! at June 22, 2022 10:10 PM (FVME7)

35
On of the committees my father served on years ago, there was some damned dispute involving a ag-loan to put up some grain bins. They fell apart doing a storm or something, and there was some dispute over who was responsible.

My father said something about "incompetent erection". Snickers started up all across the room, which turned into uproarious laughter. He didn't get it for a few moments, then it hit him and he started LOLing himself.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at June 22, 2022 10:10 PM (Mzdiz)

36 Maybe wear a t-shirt with a pointed message on it?
Posted by: vmom
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*snort*

Posted by: lin-duh at June 22, 2022 10:10 PM (UUBmN)

37 Congratulations on your firstiness, Hrothgar!
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Analog Hipster

It has been a long time, so the congratulations are most welcome!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana! ~ at June 22, 2022 10:10 PM (hOUT3)

38 30 Second is the new first!
Posted by: AlaBAMA

Au contraire, first is the very epitome of first!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana! ~ at June 22, 2022 10:08 PM (hOUT3

I identify as first! Don't oppress me!!

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 22, 2022 10:11 PM (4bYcn)

39 LA, lol.

I think you're all fucked in the head!

Posted by: Clark Griswold at June 22, 2022 10:11 PM (ufFY8)

40 -
Assume you have a young loved one under our care. Now imagine they have have NOT been raped in very orifice. If you CAN imagine this, you are enlightened. Congratulations.
Posted by: Washington. DC

Posted by: For Your Mental Health (don't think about this) at June 22, 2022 10:11 PM (NTUk0)

41 Leaping cannibal rats!

Posted by: Big orphan Andy at June 22, 2022 10:11 PM (63Dwl)

42 Never waste an erection.

Posted by: J Toobin at June 22, 2022 10:12 PM (jTmQV)

43 Good evening morons and thanks mh

Yeah, Cornyn, you are a joke.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 22, 2022 10:12 PM (EZebt)

44 Just spitballing, but I'm guessing there won't be a big focus on Leviticus.
Posted by: mikeski at June 22, 2022

Bet those epistles won't be read in detail either!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana! ~ at June 22, 2022 10:12 PM (hOUT3)

45 LBGTQ+ Services partners with Harvard University to hold a Queer Bible Study Group in the Lounge that meets on Thursdays.

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Here's hoping some actual enlightenment occurs

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at June 22, 2022 10:12 PM (kf6Ak)

46 Maybe wear a t-shirt with a pointed message on it?
Posted by: vmom
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*snort*

Posted by: lin-duh at June 22, 2022 10:10 PM (UUBmN)

Don't forget the charts on that call in town hall.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at June 22, 2022 10:12 PM (7bRMQ)

47 Any idiot trying to "rob a gun store" with or without a weapon must have a sincere death wish.

Posted by: LRob in TX at June 22, 2022 10:12 PM (KTPXo)

48 Coryn may be in damage control mode. We've been invited to a virtual town hall (phone?) tomorrow night. I don't think he'll take our questions since they have to be vetted but I will report whatever bs he spews.
Posted by: LASue

"I have a three-part question. What the f**k? More generally, what actual the f**k? And specifically, what the everloving f**k?"

Posted by: mikeski at June 22, 2022 10:12 PM (P1f+c)

49 Coryn may be in damage control mode. We've been invited to a virtual town hall (phone?) tomorrow night.

If I may ask, who is "we?" Party members? Media? No worries if you'd prefer not to say publicly.

Posted by: Oddbob at June 22, 2022 10:13 PM (nfrXX)

50 47 Any idiot trying to "rob a gun store" with or without a weapon must have a sincere death wish.
Posted by: LRob in TX at June 22, 2022 10:12 PM (KTPXo)
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You pretty much have to be a cyborg from the future.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Analog Hipster at June 22, 2022 10:14 PM (Dc2NZ)

51 Joe Biden is putting money in your pocket boys! 18 cents a gallon money!

In case you were wondering, this is 20 carters worth of imbecility.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 22, 2022 10:14 PM (EZebt)

52 I can't believe what a douchebag move Cornyn pulled saying he was kidding about amnesty. If he was kidding, he's basically making fun of us rubes who feel the border should be closed. "Hey, let's have a little fun with this. We'll tell 'em Amnesty is next and watch their reaction."

And that's just IF he was really joking.

What a peckerhead.

Posted by: 496 at June 22, 2022 10:14 PM (U1eOr)

53 Sen. John Cornyn (R-TX) claimed that he was joking

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He's a regular Milton Berle!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Spring Is In the Air! at June 22, 2022 10:14 PM (FVME7)

54 Too bad that stupid cvnt Granholm left Canada.
Or failed to link up with that serial killer guy when she was on The Dating Game.
Or didn't just go away forever after fvcking up Michigan for a while.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at June 22, 2022 10:14 PM (ufFY8)

55 Leaping cannibal rats!
Posted by: Big orphan Andy

Unused Yosemite Sam line, or death-metal band?

Posted by: mikeski at June 22, 2022 10:14 PM (P1f+c)

56 He's a regular Milton Berle!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Spring Is In the Air! at June 22, 2022 10:14 PM (FVME7)

He wears a dress??!

Posted by: OrangeEnt at June 22, 2022 10:15 PM (7bRMQ)

57 Coryn may be in damage control mode. We've been invited to a virtual town hall (phone?) tomorrow night. I don't think he'll take our questions since they have to be vetted but I will report whatever bs he spews.
Posted by: LASue at June 22, 2022 10:06 PM (Ed8Zd)
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Cornyn is being groomed to succeed McConnell as GOPe leader. The responses given by Cornyn will be canned and unrelated to any questions asked. Guy needed to be tossed out decades ago but there are no power players willing to take him on.

Posted by: Legally Sufficient at June 22, 2022 10:15 PM (xT18z)

58 Shut up you grifting bitch.

I think you mean, "Shut up you commie grifting bitch."
Because that's what she means by " in a way that give everyone a chance to succeed".

Posted by: nerdygirl at June 22, 2022 10:15 PM (+lVUW)

59
Milton Berle was hung like a horse. Cornyn ain't no MIlton Berle.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at June 22, 2022 10:15 PM (Mzdiz)

60
Lightyear bombs at the box office?!

Will these Shit on Pride Month outcomes ever cease?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at June 22, 2022 10:15 PM (pNxlR)

61 Isn't Coryn up for McConnell's job?

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 22, 2022 10:16 PM (4bYcn)

62 You think Milton was hung?

Posted by: trigger at June 22, 2022 10:16 PM (jTmQV)

63 What a sad existence her life must be. I'm sure there is some perfect country out there for her.

She's an upper-caste Indian who is the daughter of two physicians.

America has been so so, cruel to her and her family.

Some people are noticing how many of the prominent Indians in Silicon Valley and elsewhere are upper-caste - Kamala Harris' mother is a Brahmin, for example.

Maybe it's time to have affirmative action for Dalits in the American-Indian community.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 22, 2022 10:17 PM (I2/tG)

64 Got a text message from my bank stating there was a fraud alert on my card. Check my bank account and sure enough about 1,200$ is missing, which for me is a really big deal, I got through to my bank and they're gonna reverse the charges. Now I get to wait 5-7 business days for a new card which means I have to go into a branch to get money and I have to wait even longer on the next step and to see how they accessed my card information.

I hope those motherfuckers get beaten within an inch of their life.

Posted by: thathalfrican - Up in arms like Minutemen at June 22, 2022 10:18 PM (YglAn)

65 It's Texas Roadhouse.

Posted by: lin-duh at June 22, 2022 10:18 PM (UUBmN)

66 You go to a page to read an article, there's a video square under the headline but you choose not to click in preference to reading the article.

Then a pop up replicant video appears in the corner.
Hey magazine, if I wanted to see the video I would have clicked it. X that page out.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 22, 2022 10:18 PM (Ff89T)

67 Here's hoping some actual enlightenment occurs
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion

They'll be memorizing the notes about Baal and Moloch!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana! ~ at June 22, 2022 10:18 PM (hOUT3)

68 You think Milton was hung?

Why are we always talking about nooses and death by a vicious means? And why in the past tense? And what about . . . . . . what?

Oh, never mind.

Posted by: Emily Litella at June 22, 2022 10:18 PM (KTPXo)

69 Our doggeh was a hospital doggeh. He loves little kids.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 22, 2022 10:18 PM (EZebt)

70 Milton Berle was hung like a horse. Cornyn ain't no MIlton Berle.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at June 22, 2022 10:15 PM (Mzdiz)

That's oddly specific.

Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at June 22, 2022 10:18 PM (ufFY8)

71 We may have found a mini farm today - overlooks a river and mountain views. New 40x40 garage. Craftsman Foursquare style main house with early 1800's homestead still standing.

Wifey is thrilled. Nothing definite but it looks promising. We'll see.

Posted by: Tonypete on the road at June 22, 2022 10:18 PM (pTyJa)

72 Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at June 22, 2022 10:15 PM (pNxlR)

Not until the buttsex stops.

Posted by: thathalfrican - Up in arms like Minutemen at June 22, 2022 10:18 PM (YglAn)

73 LBGTQ+ Services partners with Harvard University to hold a Queer Bible Study Group
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian

Just spitballing, but I'm guessing there won't be a big focus on Leviticus.
Posted by: mikeski at June 22, 2022 10:10 PM (P1f+c)

We're all sinners. But I just dont think that revelling in your sin while praying is the way to go Adulterers for Jesus? Child Murderers Biblical Study Group? Blasphemers Religious Retreat? Idoloters Adoration? Nah.

Posted by: LASue at June 22, 2022 10:19 PM (Ed8Zd)

74 TonyPete,got my fingers crossed for ya

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at June 22, 2022 10:19 PM (kf6Ak)

75 Then a pop up replicant video appears in the corner.

I hate that. It's like they're saying, "No, really, you're too stupid to read it for yourself."

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com. Not insurgents, counterrevolutionaries. at June 22, 2022 10:19 PM (Bd6X8)

76 I hope those motherfuckers get beaten within an inch of their life.
Posted by: thathalfrican - Up in arms like Minutemen at June 22, 2022 10:18 PM (YglAn)

Sorry to hear that has happened and I hope your wishes come true.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 22, 2022 10:19 PM (2nCKy)

77 34 "We are ending oil drilling in Los Angeles. We are moving to all-electric new construction. And we are building toward fossil fuel-free transportation. Our great and influential city, which grew up around the automobile, is the perfect place to figure out how to move off the gas-powered car." Paul Koretz, the LA council

Chock full of idiocy.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Spring Is In the Air! at June 22, 2022 10:10 PM (FVME7)

Gee, is Los Angelas Electrically self sufficient? Uh... no... we send energy from our Central Calif dams to them. So how will they deal with more electric cars?

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 22, 2022 10:19 PM (oHd/0)

78 Sen. John Cornyn (R-TX) claimed that he was joking

Really?

Because I'm sure I read *somewhere* today that he was strutting about bragging about standing up to the mob by pursuing the progressive agenda in spite of being booed at the Texas Republican convention.

Posted by: Methos at June 22, 2022 10:20 PM (kOpft)

79 64 Got a text message from my bank stating there was a fraud alert on my card. Check my bank account and sure enough about 1,200$ is missing, which for me is a really big deal, I got through to my bank and they're gonna reverse the charges. Now I get to wait 5-7 business days for a new card which means I have to go into a branch to get money and I have to wait even longer on the next step and to see how they accessed my card information.

I hope those motherfuckers get beaten within an inch of their life.
Posted by: thathalfrican - Up in arms like Minutemen at June 22, 2022 10:18 PM (YglAn)

Lots of electronic scanners can grab card information. They put fake scanners on ATMs and, to make matters worse, some nefarious store owners sell card numbers. Especially shitty convenience stores.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 22, 2022 10:20 PM (4bYcn)

80 The Conservative Momma vid would have been funnier if it ended with the camera zooming out to show her, in her electric car, on the deck of a roll-back wrecker.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 22, 2022 10:20 PM (1q0W7)

81 Tonypete, are you moving from Texas to TN?

Posted by: LRob in TX at June 22, 2022 10:20 PM (KTPXo)

82 Where are you looking, Tonypete?

Posted by: 496 at June 22, 2022 10:20 PM (U1eOr)

83 hope those motherfuckers get beaten within an inch of their life.
Posted by: thathalfrican - Up in arms like Minutemen at June 22, 2022 10:18 PM

Few years back I had someone get in and drain my entire account. Took over 2 months to get all my money back. Bitches.

Posted by: BruceWayne at June 22, 2022 10:20 PM (MGB5H)

84 We're all sinners. But I just dont think that revelling in your sin while praying is the way to go Adulterers for Jesus? Child Murderers Biblical Study Group? Blasphemers Religious Retreat? Idoloters Adoration? Nah.
Posted by: LASue at June 22, 2022 10:19 PM (Ed8Zd)

Well, PRIDE is a sim... soooo...

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 22, 2022 10:20 PM (oHd/0)

85 We may have found a mini farm today - overlooks a river and mountain views. New 40x40 garage. Craftsman Foursquare style main house with early 1800's homestead still standing.

Wifey is thrilled. Nothing definite but it looks promising. We'll see.
Posted by: Tonypete
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Where is it located?
(Prepares a competitive bid...😉

Posted by: lin-duh at June 22, 2022 10:21 PM (UUBmN)

86 Got a text message from my bank stating there was a fraud alert on my card. Check my bank account and sure enough about 1,200$ is missing, which for me is a really big deal, I got through to my bank and they're gonna reverse the charges. Now I get to wait 5-7 business days for a new card which means I have to go into a branch to get money and I have to wait even longer on the next step and to see how they accessed my card information.

I hope those motherfuckers get beaten within an inch of their life.
Posted by: thathalfrican - Up in arms like Minutemen at June 22, 2022 10:18 PM (YglAn)

Call them back and tell them you need it immediately; they should Fedex it to you overnight.

Posted by: LASue at June 22, 2022 10:21 PM (Ed8Zd)

87 I think Hoover Dam send power to LA also.

Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at June 22, 2022 10:21 PM (ufFY8)

88 Cornyn ain't no Andrew Dice Clay, either.

Posted by: Count de Monet at June 22, 2022 10:21 PM (4I/2K)

89 Washington County TN

Posted by: Tonypete on the road at June 22, 2022 10:21 PM (pTyJa)

90 71 We may have found a mini farm today - overlooks a river and mountain views. New 40x40 garage. Craftsman Foursquare style main house with early 1800's homestead still standing.

Wifey is thrilled. Nothing definite but it looks promising. We'll see.
Posted by: Tonypete on the road at June 22, 2022 10:18 PM (pTyJa)
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Sounds perfect!

I'd like a nice sea green on my guest bedroom walls.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Analog Hipster at June 22, 2022 10:22 PM (Dc2NZ)

91 55 Leaping cannibal rats!
Posted by: Big orphan Andy

Unused Yosemite Sam line, or death-metal band?

Posted by: mikeski at June 22, 2022 10:14 PM (P1f+c)
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I'll go with Death-Metal Band.

Posted by: Ciampino enjoys symphonic metal at June 22, 2022 10:22 PM (qfLjt)

92 For Christians, seeking such a status is the very root and beginning of the concept of sin.” John Schroeder

School/classroom began with a prayer and the pledge.
Learning what we are begins at an early age and sticks.

Posted by: Braenyard, and the teacher is teaching the golden rule at June 22, 2022 10:22 PM (Ff89T)

93 Posted by: thathalfrican - Up in arms like Minutemen at June 22, 2022 10:18 PM (YglAn)

Thats why I have two different bank accounts, at two different banks set up. With different ATM cards.

Was traveling once when my card got cut off... had to power cash from a friend to even make it home.

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 22, 2022 10:22 PM (oHd/0)

94 LRob in TX, I'm not in TX - I do have kids/grandkids and business interests in the Dallas area though.

Posted by: Tonypete on the road at June 22, 2022 10:23 PM (pTyJa)

95 Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 22, 2022 10:19 PM (2nCKy)

Thanks, me too.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 22, 2022 10:20 PM (4bYcn)

Wondering if the last place I went had a skimmer on it....

Posted by: BruceWayne at June 22, 2022 10:20 PM (MGB5H)

Holy shit. I'm glad it worked out.

Posted by: thathalfrican - Up in arms like Minutemen at June 22, 2022 10:23 PM (YglAn)

96 I hope those motherfuckers get beaten within an inch of their life.

Posted by: thathalfrican - Up in arms like Minutemen at June 22, 2022 10:18 PM (YglAn)

Don't expect the money back right away. About two weeks before they finish their investigations.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at June 22, 2022 10:23 PM (7bRMQ)

97 Five will get you Ten, that Mr. Ragusa is on gear, and only Benches.

Suffolk County resident is the tip off...

#mook

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at June 22, 2022 10:23 PM (BgMrQ)

98 I hope those motherfuckers get beaten within an inch of their life.

Had the same thing happen to me a few months back. They used FanDuel to launder the money through.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com. Not insurgents, counterrevolutionaries. at June 22, 2022 10:23 PM (Bd6X8)

99
How long is it, you ask?

6"

From the floor.

[He really said that, when someone was nagging him about how long it really was]

Posted by: Uncle Milty at June 22, 2022 10:23 PM (Mzdiz)

100 We may have found a mini farm today - overlooks a river and mountain views. New 40x40 garage. Craftsman Foursquare style main house with early 1800's homestead still standing.

Wifey is thrilled. Nothing definite but it looks promising. We'll see.
Posted by: Tonypete on the road at June 22, 2022 10:18 PM (pTyJa)
* * * *
Fingers crossed!

Posted by: Legally Sufficient at June 22, 2022 10:23 PM (xT18z)

101 Here's hoping some actual enlightenment occurs
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at June 22, 2022 10:12 PM (kf6Ak)

Or possibly some Gomorrahry.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 22, 2022 10:23 PM (1q0W7)

102 orifice

Posted by: Spell Check at June 22, 2022 10:23 PM (NTUk0)

103 Who are Cornyn's top 3? They'll still work in DC, ostensibly for Texas, after he leaves. Find out who hires them, before the primary.

It's not a great plan, but I'm tired of being fucked by people who will retire in 2 years.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at June 22, 2022 10:24 PM (ybIRR)

104 Washington County TN
Posted by: Tonypete on the road

Fingers crossed. Is that anywhere near kid rocks 200acre ranch?

Posted by: BruceWayne at June 22, 2022 10:24 PM (MGB5H)

105 Cash.
Use cash.
Or credit cards instead of debit cards.

Debit cards directly drain your account.
With a credit card, you can always refuse to pay and challenge unauthorized charges.

Otherwise, keep a small amount in your account with the debit card.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at June 22, 2022 10:24 PM (ufFY8)

106 OK. I just did the reverse and moved from TN back to TX. Too many people out there for me, but they are (outside the cities) very nice people. Beautiful country!

Posted by: LRob in TX at June 22, 2022 10:24 PM (KTPXo)

107 School/classroom began with a prayer and the pledge.
Learning what we are begins at an early age and sticks.
Posted by: Braenyard, and the teacher is teaching the golden rule

Why it is almost like you think the old ways are best?

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana! ~ at June 22, 2022 10:24 PM (hOUT3)

108 LBGTQ+ Services partners with Harvard University to hold a Queer Bible Study Group
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian
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If by Bible study you mean they are going to sit around and take selective verses out of context and twist others to fit their agenda.

Posted by: lin-duh at June 22, 2022 10:24 PM (UUBmN)

109 Hybrid cars are OK, but fully electric cars still aren't ready for general use. Not without major changes to the design.

When they make an electric car that reliably has the same range as a conventional internal combustion car, and can be recharged from zero to 100% in the same amount of time that it takes to put 16 gallons of gas in the tank, then we'll talk. Maybe.

Posted by: Gelasius the Third at June 22, 2022 10:24 PM (lfYWc)

110 Chicago police are no longer allowed to chase people on foot just for running away

That's right, if the run, shoot them.

Posted by: Braenyard, and the teacher is teaching the golden rule at June 22, 2022 10:24 PM (Ff89T)

111 I'd like a nice sea green on my guest bedroom walls.
Posted by: All Hail Eris

Done!

Plenty of parking and a porch that wraps completely around the house. Pack your bags girl!

Posted by: Tonypete on the road at June 22, 2022 10:25 PM (pTyJa)

112
Mae West, teaching 'rithmetic to some boys:

Let's see boys, addition. Well, one and one is two, two and two is four, and five'll get ya ten if you play your cards right.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at June 22, 2022 10:25 PM (Mzdiz)

113 Good and hard, Chicago. Good and hard.

You voted for them. Hell you always vote for them.

My field of fucks is barren.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 22, 2022 10:25 PM (4bYcn)

114 Awrite!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Analog Hipster at June 22, 2022 10:26 PM (Dc2NZ)

115 Posted by: LASue at June 22, 2022 10:21 PM (Ed8Zd)

I'll call them tomorrow.

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 22, 2022 10:22 PM (oHd/0)

Good idea. Might have to borrow that.

Posted by: thathalfrican - Up in arms like Minutemen at June 22, 2022 10:26 PM (YglAn)

116 When they make an electric car that reliably has the same range as a conventional internal combustion car, and can be recharged from zero to 100% in the same amount of time that it takes to put 16 gallons of gas in the tank, then we'll talk. Maybe.
Posted by: Gelasius the Third at June 22, 2022 10:24 PM (lfYWc)

I ran the numbers about 10 years ago. You can convert the amount of energy in a barrel of oil, to Kilowatt hours. To make up for Gas energy you would have to increase electricity generation and transmission by 135%.... Yes.... MORE THAN DOUBLE.

Unless we can build Nuc plants, that aint happenin.

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 22, 2022 10:26 PM (oHd/0)

117 I think Hoover Dam send power to LA also.

Ahem.

There is a big DC electric line connecting a substation on the Columbia River to the San Fernando Valley.

Posted by: Grand Coulee Dam! at June 22, 2022 10:26 PM (I2/tG)

118 Sen. John Cornyn (R-TX) claimed that he was joking about striking a deal on amnesty after negotiating a deal on gun control

He wasn't.

I still remember how after the GOP retook the House under Boehner, first thing after the election he started talking amnesty-type nonsense.

That's who the GOP is.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at June 22, 2022 10:26 PM (KFhLj)

119 LOL figure out.

Squats, chews on straw, scratches head.

Posted by: Braenyard, and the teacher is teaching the golden rule at June 22, 2022 10:26 PM (Ff89T)

120 School/classroom began with a prayer and the pledge.
Learning what we are begins at an early age and sticks.

Posted by: Braenyard, and the teacher is teaching the golden rule at June 22, 2022 10:22 PM (Ff89T)

This.

And in my calculus class, Father D would roll a die at the 'amen', and if your row came up, you turned in your homework.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at June 22, 2022 10:27 PM (ufFY8)

121 Flo and Eddie - stealth Zappa....

Posted by: COMountainMarie at June 22, 2022 10:27 PM (Z5eyD)

122 109 Hybrid cars are OK, but fully electric cars still aren't ready for general use. Not without major changes to the design.

When they make an electric car that reliably has the same range as a conventional internal combustion car, and can be recharged from zero to 100% in the same amount of time that it takes to put 16 gallons of gas in the tank, then we'll talk. Maybe.
Posted by: Gelasius the Third at June 22, 2022 10:24 PM (lfYWc)

This should bring Joe Xiden to the conversation.

Kinda like say Betelgeuse three times...

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at June 22, 2022 10:27 PM (BgMrQ)

123 Good idea. Might have to borrow that.
Posted by: thathalfrican - Up in arms like Minutemen at June 22, 2022 10:26 PM (YglAn)

I set it up so I could easily transfer money between banks as well... takes about 24 hours to transfer, but better than being cut off from funds for a couple of weeks.

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 22, 2022 10:28 PM (oHd/0)

124 108 LBGTQ+ Services partners with Harvard University to hold a Queer Bible Study Group
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian
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If by Bible study you mean they are going to sit around and take selective verses out of context and twist others to fit their agenda.
Posted by: lin-duh at June 22, 2022 10:24 PM (UUBmN)

I would believe that is the program

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 22, 2022 10:28 PM (2nCKy)

125 That's who the GOP is.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls

Truth, and voting harder is not going to fix this!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana! ~ at June 22, 2022 10:28 PM (hOUT3)

126 Posted by: BruceWayne at June 22, 2022 10:20 PM (MGB5H)

Nephew just had his account drained, right after pay day. They said it could be 90 days before he gets refunded. Not sure what bank he uses.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at June 22, 2022 10:29 PM (nC+QA)

127 121 Flo and Eddie - stealth Zappa....
Posted by: COMountainMarie at June 22, 2022 10:27 PM (Z5eyD)

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 22, 2022 10:29 PM (2nCKy)

128 Well, PRIDE is a sim... soooo...
Posted by: Romeo13 at June 22, 2022 10:20 PM (oHd/0)

So pride in being a sinner should be Sin Squared, right?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 22, 2022 10:29 PM (1q0W7)

129 What accounts for this bizarre fetish for electric vehicles in the first place? They're terrible for the environment.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at June 22, 2022 10:29 PM (Txkoe)

130 Relevant to My Interests ONT Compliance Pics

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/media

*scroll down

Posted by: kbdabear at June 22, 2022 10:29 PM (qAR6u)

131 Used to shop at Carter’s Country when I lived down that way, many years ago.

Posted by: Javems at June 22, 2022 10:30 PM (AmoqO)

132 Ugh polliwog I completely know how that feels. It's the fuggin worst

Posted by: BruceWayne at June 22, 2022 10:30 PM (MGB5H)

133 All this talk from the Rs in the House about working against the Gun Grab and not once have they even suggested they would stay away and keep from have a quorum. That's how you could stop it. Funny, ain't it.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at June 22, 2022 10:30 PM (7bRMQ)

134 What accounts for this bizarre fetish for electric vehicles in the first place? They're terrible for the environment.
Posted by: Cicero

Mobile peasants free to roam the countryside with their economical ICE transportation are an abomination!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana! ~ at June 22, 2022 10:31 PM (hOUT3)

135 "create a queer- and trans-affirming Christian space in which we can bring the fullness of our lives, desires, and selves into conversation with the good news of Jesus Christ.”

There is no good news for you if you persist in denying God's Law and Christ's authority. It's just like so much noise. It's not about a *conversation* with Christ. It's about recognizing your sinful nature and separation thereby from God, and Christ's *sacrifice* and substitutionary atonement. It's basically about *listening*, not opening your own yap, except to confess.

Less you. More God.
Or you're just blaspheming.

Posted by: GWB at June 22, 2022 10:31 PM (byi9U)

136 129 What accounts for this bizarre fetish for electric vehicles in the first place? They're terrible for the environment.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at June 22, 2022 10:29 PM (Txkoe

I'm guessing it's the natural yang to the GOP ying of cheap, self-supplied energy.

We say drill, they say use magic electricity from voltage fairies.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 22, 2022 10:31 PM (4bYcn)

137 I hope those motherfuckers get beaten within an inch of their life.
Posted by: thathalfrican - Up in arms

Amen.

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at June 22, 2022 10:31 PM (kf6Ak)

138 What accounts for this bizarre fetish for electric vehicles in the first place?

As I have told my Chicago kids, this is about limiting the mobility of Americans, NOT about saving the environment. They don't get it and just can't wait to get electric cars. I asked my SIL (a physics teacher) if he had sufficient AC input to his home/garage to even charge an electric vehicle and he certainly had no idea what kind of current is involved.

Posted by: LRob in TX at June 22, 2022 10:31 PM (KTPXo)

139

I try to imagine ag production without fossil fuels. It ain't happening. Two words, "electric combine". That makes me bust out laughing.

These people are fools. Absolute fools.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at June 22, 2022 10:31 PM (Mzdiz)

140 Nephew just had his account drained, right after pay day. They said it could be 90 days before he gets refunded. Not sure what bank he uses.

He needs a new bank. Even the stagecoach guys only take a day or two.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com. Not insurgents, counterrevolutionaries. at June 22, 2022 10:32 PM (Bd6X8)

141 In Honor of "PRIDE MONTH"

Navy Corpsman stationed at Naval Regional Medical Center Oakland Ca. NRMC OAKNOLL. 1978-1982.
The great COMING OUT....and then..."YO"...what the hell is that gross stuff on your face?

What?...You went to a "BATH HOUSE?" "WHAT THE HELL IS A BATH HOUSE??" What? ...Fisting? "What? "PULLING TRAINS??" WHAT ??? GERBILS..WHat the Hell??" WHAT ARE YOU DOING RICKY???"

Sailor, you are in DEEP SHIT!! No I don't have a clue as to why you look so Fucked up...this is all new to me...let me get the Doc in here OK.. DAMN Ricky....

Posted by: Nightwatch at June 22, 2022 10:32 PM (J00IM)

142
What accounts for this bizarre fetish for electric vehicles in the first place? They're terrible for the environment.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43)

Since the Congo is too poor to establish midnight basketball leagues, putting those little rapscallions to work in the cobalt mines is perfect!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at June 22, 2022 10:32 PM (pNxlR)

143 Checking in.
Uncle G survived surgery this afternoon.
I'm wiped out.

Thank you for all your prayers.

Night all.

Posted by: mpfs at June 22, 2022 10:32 PM (79p/O)

144 Less you. More God.
Or you're just blaspheming.
Posted by: GWB

Well said!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana! ~ at June 22, 2022 10:32 PM (hOUT3)

145 God will not be mocked.

That's a pretty good life rule to follow.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 22, 2022 10:32 PM (4bYcn)

146
Yep, electricity comes from the wall. It's clean and no emissions. This is the mentality.

And yep, you wouldn't believe how many college edumacated people, even with degrees where'd you think they know some basic physics and thermodynamics, think this way.

Same as food comes from the grocery store mentality.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at June 22, 2022 10:33 PM (Mzdiz)

147 Good evening all!
Finally got my sons baseball stats from his coach for the spring season.
Avg .315
OBP 393
OPS 745
SLG 352
RBI 12

Posted by: Jmel at June 22, 2022 10:33 PM (bVhJi)

148 My great grandfather and grandfather had combines without IC engines - pulled by horses! It took days to harvest even half a section and the machines weren't efficient. They planted the fileds the same way until the late 20s when they got to tractors; production skyrocketed!

Posted by: LRob in TX at June 22, 2022 10:35 PM (KTPXo)

149 How is the horde tonight?

I'm happy as I saved money today, on dog food, groc and gas. Hard to believe the dog dood that works for ours went from 53 a yr ago to 66 today. I'm pround I snagged a bag today for 44.

Wait, does my life sound pathetic?

Posted by: Farmer at June 22, 2022 10:35 PM (55Qr6)

150 Thank you for all your prayers.

Night all.
Posted by: mpfs at June 22, 2022 10:32 PM (79p/O)
* * * *
Prayers continue, and thank you for the update. Was just wondering what the current status was, and there was your post! Rest well.

Posted by: Legally Sufficient at June 22, 2022 10:35 PM (xT18z)

151 thathalfrican - Up in arms like Minutemen ,
I had my credit card hacked. It ended up not costing me anything and the new card under a new account number arrived within a short amount of time. It's upsetting, but the credit card companies and banks deal with this a lot and it is handled pretty smoothly. Good luck.

Posted by: nerdygirl at June 22, 2022 10:35 PM (+lVUW)

152
Yes, local capacity. Forget generation and transmission, which would indeed have to more than double. Probably more than that all told, your basic distribution networks couldn't handle the additional load either.

The is last circuits coming from the substations that feed the last transformers at low voltage utilization levels.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at June 22, 2022 10:36 PM (Mzdiz)

153 Yeah, LA gets 15.4229% of Hoover Dam's electricity.

Southern CA Water District gets 25.8%.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at June 22, 2022 10:36 PM (ufFY8)

154 Good news, mpfs!

Posted by: LRob in TX at June 22, 2022 10:36 PM (KTPXo)

155 This should bring Joe Xiden to the conversation.

Kinda like say Betelgeuse three times...
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at June 22, 2022 10:27 PM (BgMrQ)

There's another E-car fanboi often shows up on the ONT, too.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 22, 2022 10:36 PM (1q0W7)

156 Someone got hold of one of our deposit slips and photo-shopped a check out of it. They wrote themselves a couple of checks to a Chase account and did one of those cell phone deposits. Our bank caught it. I asked how and they said, "We have people". I asked who would pay for it and they said "Chase". My bank is tite.

Posted by: Javems at June 22, 2022 10:36 PM (AmoqO)

157 Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at June 22, 2022 10:33 PM (Mzdiz)

One of my favorite things to do is to get an adamant Green advocate who is bitching about CO2, and then ask them if THEY know how a Green House gas actually works...

If they don't and can't explain... then oh, it IS a religion with you, because you just believe.

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 22, 2022 10:37 PM (oHd/0)

158 I never use a check card to buy stuff. Always a credit card because they don't get at my money and the CC companies can wipe the charges easily.

Only use a bank card for getting money from their ATM. At the bank, since they monitor the ATMs.

Getting cash from a rando ATM is like playing Russian roulette.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 22, 2022 10:37 PM (4bYcn)

159
And, because of the war on fossil fuels, generation capacity has actually declined, Midwest grid hardest hit. They had to take the coal plants down faster than the geniuses mandating it realized.

These people are fools. Sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice. At this level it doesn't matter. Same thing.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at June 22, 2022 10:38 PM (Mzdiz)

160 149 How is the horde tonight?

I'm happy as I saved money today, on dog food, groc and gas. Hard to believe the dog dood that works for ours went from 53 a yr ago to 66 today. I'm pround I snagged a bag today for 44.

Wait, does my life sound pathetic?
Posted by: Farmer at June 22, 2022 10:35 PM (55Qr6)

No not at all, unless you are eating the dog food and not feeding it to the pups.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 22, 2022 10:38 PM (2nCKy)

161 Finally convinced My Brother in Law to join Navy Federal Credit Union so we could join. The app is way better than I expected and better than the Bank I have now. I am very impressed,

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at June 22, 2022 10:38 PM (dKiJG)

162 Gee, is Los Angelas Electrically self sufficient? Uh... no... we send energy from our Central Calif dams to them. So how will they deal with more electric cars?
Posted by: Romeo13

Rolling brownouts to become blackouts?

Posted by: nerdygirl at June 22, 2022 10:39 PM (+lVUW)

163 156 Someone got hold of one of our deposit slips and photo-shopped a check out of it. They wrote themselves a couple of checks to a Chase account and did one of those cell phone deposits. Our bank caught it. I asked how and they said, "We have people". I asked who would pay for it and they said "Chase". My bank is tite.
Posted by: Javems at June 22, 2022 10:36 PM (AmoqO

That's good but Chase is a woke shithole that refused lines of credit to gun manufacturers.

I think they always gave up CC information to the fibs on J6.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 22, 2022 10:39 PM (4bYcn)

164 No not at all, unless you are eating the dog food and not feeding it to the pups.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian

Grrrr!

Posted by: Conor at June 22, 2022 10:39 PM (hOUT3)

165 Rolling brownouts to become blackouts?
Posted by: nerdygirl at June 22, 2022 10:39 PM (+lVUW)

BLM, baby.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at June 22, 2022 10:40 PM (ufFY8)

166 Rolling brownouts to become blackouts?
Posted by: nerdygirl

See, there is always a solution!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana! ~ at June 22, 2022 10:41 PM (hOUT3)

167 164 No not at all, unless you are eating the dog food and not feeding it to the pups.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian

Grrrr!
Posted by: Conor at June 22, 2022 10:39 PM (hOUT3)

We lost our cousin Dixie today. Fvck cancer!

Posted by: The Dream Team at June 22, 2022 10:41 PM (2nCKy)

168 How is the horde tonight?

I'm happy as I saved money today, on dog food, groc and gas. Hard to believe the dog dood that works for ours went from 53 a yr ago to 66 today. I'm pround I snagged a bag today for 44.

Wait, does my life sound pathetic?
Posted by: Farmer at June 22, 2022 10:35 PM
***
I finished emplacing the foogas, got the barb wire set, fired in the mortars, and improved overhead cover. I'm ready for the neighbors dog who keeps crapping in my yard.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 22, 2022 10:42 PM (anj39)

169 Rolling brownouts to become blackouts?
Posted by: nerdygirl at June 22, 2022 10:39 PM (+lVUW)

Yeah, and my solar and battery install which was supposed to start TOMORROW according to our contract, had supposedly been held up getting a building permit from my town.... for 3 weeks.

As this is a small town... I find that really hard to believe, so will be calling them tomorrow... which will be interesting... as we know all the old locals in Town as my Parents were well known (Mom a Teacher)... and all us kids graduated High School here.

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 22, 2022 10:42 PM (oHd/0)

170 At the subie dealer the other day and they had a wall charger for their upcoming ev. 240 80A maximum output. Doesn't seem so green..lotta juice

Posted by: A dude in MI at June 22, 2022 10:42 PM (/6GbT)

171 EV owners will love the rolling blackouts!

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 22, 2022 10:42 PM (4bYcn)

172
Some of these idiots actually think you can run an electric car by just plugging in a little drop cord to a standard 15A 120V outlet. It will charge up in no time, and easy peasy.

They actually think this.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at June 22, 2022 10:43 PM (Mzdiz)

173 Coryn may be in damage control mode. We've been invited to a virtual town hall (phone?) tomorrow night.

If I may ask, who is "we?" Party members? Media? No worries if you'd prefer not to say publicly.
Posted by: Oddbob at June 22, 2022 10:13

Me and my husband. Probably other (former) donors and those he thinks he can convince I’ll let y’all know.

Posted by: LASue at June 22, 2022 10:43 PM (Ed8Zd)

174 ..Milton Berle was hung like a horse. Cornyn ain't no MIlton Berle. Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at June 22, 2022 10:15 PM (Mzdiz)

Whatever offense did that poor horse commit, to merit such a terrible fate? And the carpenter's overtime on building the oversized gallows, why, I can't even.. ..

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at June 22, 2022 10:43 PM (tkOps)

175 Finally convinced My Brother in Law to join Navy Federal Credit Union so we could join. The app is way better than I expected and better than the Bank I have now. I am very impressed,
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio

We've had NFCU for years as our primary institution with a local bank with small accounts as a back up.

You can't beat NF for service especially when there is a problem.

Posted by: Tonypete on the road at June 22, 2022 10:43 PM (pTyJa)

176 My great grandfather and grandfather had combines without IC engines - pulled by horses! It took days to harvest even half a section and the machines weren't efficient. They planted the fileds the same way until the late 20s when they got to tractors; production skyrocketed!
Posted by: LRob in TX at June 22, 2022 10:35 PM (KTPXo)

Probably not even combines. A "combine harvester" both cuts the grain, and thrashes it, putting grain in the bin, and spewing straw out the back end.

Before combine harvesters were a thing, you had swathers that cut the grain, and laid it out in rows, from which laborers would gather into stooks, and place on a wagon. The wagon would be driven to a thrashing machine, and hand labor would take the stooked grain, and feed it into the the thrashing machine.

Lots of old galvanized iron thrashing machines parked on hilltops and road allowances around here, like dinosaur skeletons.

Combine harvesters do it all, with Diesel power.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 22, 2022 10:43 PM (1q0W7)

177 Funny.... did you all know that there are Home Computers you can't buy in Calif, because they are too powerful? Yes, they use too much electricity.

My current system would be big time banned if I tried to buy it now.

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 22, 2022 10:43 PM (oHd/0)

178 Seriously, I think that the designers of all-electric vehicles didn't think it through all the way. If you're going to make a new kind of car, you really need a new kind of gas station.

Picture this: a "refilling" station for electric vehicles. Instead of driving up alongside the pumps, you drive over an open pit, like at Jiffy Lube or some such. A technician in the pit then disconnects your entire battery pack as a single unit, wheels it away, wheels a fully charged battery pack into position, bolts it to your car's chassis, and you drive away. You're in and out in five minutes. The station keeps your old battery pack, re-charging it at its leisure, until it's available for another vehicle.

Kinda like going over to Home Depot to exchange your empty propane cylinder for a new one.

Posted by: Gelasius the Third at June 22, 2022 10:44 PM (lfYWc)

179 We lost our cousin Dixie today. Fvck cancer!
Posted by: The Dream Team

Dayum, that is hard to take.
Sorry for your loss.
I hate cancer with every fiber of my being.

Posted by: Conor at June 22, 2022 10:44 PM (hOUT3)

180 Gas has slipped under $5 in Sector 7

Posted by: A dude in MI at June 22, 2022 10:44 PM (/6GbT)

181 My great grandfather and grandfather had combines without IC engines - pulled by horses! It took days to harvest even half a section and the machines weren't efficient. They planted the fileds the same way until the late 20s when they got to tractors; production skyrocketed!
Posted by: LRob in TX at June 22, 2022 10:35

As recently as 1980, I started farming and for ca 180 tillable acres it took me 3 days to plant corn and the same to plant beans. By the time I was done 32 yrs later, my custom hire guy did all the planting in a day and a half. 4 row planter vs 24 row planter amongst other things.

Posted by: Farmer at June 22, 2022 10:45 PM (55Qr6)

182 That's good but Chase is a woke shithole that refused lines of credit to gun manufacturers.

I think they always gave up CC information to the fibs on J6.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 22, 2022 10:39 PM (4bYcn)

My bank is not Chase. It's out of Mississippi.

Posted by: Javems at June 22, 2022 10:45 PM (AmoqO)

183 Interesting that the EIA hasn't updated their weekly prices for gasoline and diesel, like they've done every Monday for the past who knows how many decades. They claim it is due to a "network problem" and that they'll have it corrected ASAP.

Then, right below this message box, they have another message box that states that they are changing the methodology that they've used to calculate these figures. It will be interesting to find out why this was done. Is it because they're now going to help the Democrats out by fudging the figures?

I don't know but I suspect that this is why. If anyone sees any stories about this online, please let us know.

https://www.eia.gov/petroleum/gasdiesel/

Posted by: Sasquatch, the Original Trans-Wookie at June 22, 2022 10:45 PM (xxG/v)

184 We lost our cousin Dixie today. Fvck cancer!
Posted by: The Dream Team at June 22, 2022 10:41 PM (2nCKy)
* * * *
*sniff!* So hard to lose them...

*pats to Dream Team and extra treats*

Posted by: Legally Sufficient at June 22, 2022 10:45 PM (xT18z)

185 Posted by: Gelasius the Third at June 22, 2022 10:44 PM (lfYWc)

Problem with that is that the batteries do eventually go bad, and lose the ability to fully charge.

Ergo, you roll in and get an OLD battery for your NEW one?

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 22, 2022 10:46 PM (oHd/0)

186
In the old days, you had stationary threshers. Havesting was done as AOP described it. You cut it, then brought it to the thresher. Some were steam powered. Some were actually horse powered. Horse tied to a thing, I forget what they call it, going around in circles and turning a drive shaft.

The name "combine" comes from combining the harvesting and threshing in one machine.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at June 22, 2022 10:46 PM (Mzdiz)

187 I saw Leaping Cannibal Rats open for Fine Young Cannibals back in '86, the poster recommended everyone bring a friend for lunch.

Evening, y'all.

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 22, 2022 10:46 PM (F0YaR)

188 179 We lost our cousin Dixie today. Fvck cancer!
Posted by: The Dream Team

Dayum, that is hard to take.
Sorry for your loss.
I hate cancer with every fiber of my being.
Posted by: Conor at June 22, 2022 10:44 PM (hOUT3)

Thanks Conor.

Posted by: The Dream Team at June 22, 2022 10:46 PM (2nCKy)

189 DEATH to COVID and to all those that still wish to chain us to their failed science.

Posted by: Nightwatch at June 22, 2022 10:47 PM (J00IM)

190
My bank is not Chase. It's out of Mississippi.
Posted by: Javems at June 22, 2022 10:45 PM (AmoqO

Ah. I get it now! My bad.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 22, 2022 10:47 PM (4bYcn)

191 ZOD.

Posted by: ZOD at June 22, 2022 10:47 PM (Q/6pY)

192 Siragusa was 6-3/340 during his playing days. If he didn't get his weight under control, that likely contributed to his death. That's a lot more weight than an aging body can handle.

Posted by: SFGoth at June 22, 2022 10:47 PM (KAi1n)

193 Some of these idiots actually think you can run an electric car by just plugging in a little drop cord to a standard 15A 120V outlet. It will charge up in no time, and easy peasy.

You mean it's not like a five gallon can of electrons that I can just pour in the battery?

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana! ~ at June 22, 2022 10:48 PM (hOUT3)

194 hope those motherfuckers get beaten within an inch of their life.
Posted by: thathalfrican - Up in arms like Minutemen

Decades ago, I lived on Capitol Hill in Denver, a high crime area. Assholes kept stealing my trash cans! I could have cheerfully strangled those trash can thieves!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Spring Is In the Air! at June 22, 2022 10:48 PM (FVME7)

195 That was weak.

Night all.

Posted by: Nightwatch at June 22, 2022 10:48 PM (J00IM)

196 Moron attempts an armed robbery. Clerk shoots him dead.

Family is complaining that clerk shouldn't have had a gun at work.

https://bit.ly/3br8YVC

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com. Not insurgents, counterrevolutionaries. at June 22, 2022 10:49 PM (Bd6X8)

197 184 We lost our cousin Dixie today. Fvck cancer!
Posted by: The Dream Team at June 22, 2022 10:41 PM (2nCKy)
* * * *
*sniff!* So hard to lose them...

*pats to Dream Team and extra treats*
Posted by: Legally Sufficient at June 22, 2022 10:45 PM (xT18z)

Thanks LS. We appreciate the extra treats as our owner is ~~frugal~~ cheap and tight

Posted by: The Dream Team at June 22, 2022 10:49 PM (2nCKy)

198 Berle was hung not hanged.

Posted by: Braenyard, and the teacher is teaching the golden rule at June 22, 2022 10:49 PM (Ff89T)

199 Ah. I get it now! My bad.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 22, 2022 10:47 PM (4bYcn)

No problem. I should have made that clear.

Posted by: Javems at June 22, 2022 10:49 PM (AmoqO)

200 Kinda like going over to Home Depot to exchange your empty propane cylinder for a new one.
Posted by: Gelasius the Third at June 22, 2022 10:44 PM (lfYWc)

You are preaching to the converted, says me. I have long advocated the same policy.

1. Range limits and recharge time no longer an issue.

2. Less taxing on the grid; recharge sites could be co-located with new generating stations, so all the energy eaten by the batteries would not have to shipped on the grid.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 22, 2022 10:49 PM (1q0W7)

201 “The possibility of being stopped by Coast Guard crews while illegally migrating through the Caribbean Sea is high.

What is the Coast Guard doing so far from home in the Caribbean Sea, and exactly what jurisdiction do they have over any activity therein?

Posted by: Reuben Hick at June 22, 2022 10:49 PM (AHeqJ)

202 Probably not even combines.

You are absolutely right AOP. They still used a threshing machine, run by steam engines.

Posted by: LRob in TX at June 22, 2022 10:50 PM (KTPXo)

203 Posted by: Romeo13 at June 22, 2022 10:42 PM (oHd/

Um, what did you say your social credit score was again?
-your small town building department

Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 22, 2022 10:50 PM (EZebt)

204 192 Siragusa was 6-3/340 during his playing days. If he didn't get his weight under control, that likely contributed to his death. That's a lot more weight than an aging body can handle.
Posted by: SFGoth at June 22, 2022 10:47 PM (KAi1n)

I see in the last 2 days a 25 year old BB player and a 26 year old NFL player have died. No C.O.D provided.

Kung Flu prick(s)?

Posted by: The Dream Team at June 22, 2022 10:50 PM (2nCKy)

205 That's a lot more weight than an aging body can handle.
Posted by: SFGoth at June 22, 2022 10:47 PM (KAi1n)

Now that I think about it...I don't think I've ever seen a really old overweight guy.. strange

Posted by: A dude in MI at June 22, 2022 10:50 PM (/6GbT)

206 ZOD, good to see you here!
This place really needs some Imperial strength level directions and guidance!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana! ~ at June 22, 2022 10:50 PM (hOUT3)

207 Moron attempts an armed robbery. Clerk shoots him dead.

Family is complaining that clerk shouldn't have had a gun at work.

https://bit.ly/3br8YVC
Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com. Not insurgents, counterrevolutionaries. at June 22, 2022 10:49 PM (Bd6X

That's such a perfect commentary on our current world.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 22, 2022 10:51 PM (4bYcn)

208 >>192 Siragusa was 6-3/340 during his playing days.
Posted by: SFGoth at June 22, 2022 10:47 PM (KAi1n)

(Surveys tribe, shivering on the Gobi plain, sharpening their knives)

"We will take him on the first round, hoof-weight."

Posted by: ZOD at June 22, 2022 10:51 PM (Q/6pY)

209 203 Posted by: Romeo13 at June 22, 2022 10:42 PM (oHd/

Um, what did you say your social credit score was again?
-your small town building department
Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 22, 2022 10:50 PM (EZebt)

This would be the small town that told Gov Newsome to stick his Mask Mandate. City Council voted to NOT enforce any of the clearly UnConstitutional orders that were coming out back then.

Ergo, City Cops would not do anything... and our County Sheriff is more Conservative than I am.

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 22, 2022 10:52 PM (oHd/0)

210 This should bring Joe This should bring Joe Xiden to the conversation.

Kinda like say Betelgeuse three times...
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard to the conversation.
___

lol

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at June 22, 2022 10:52 PM (c/IRE)

211 Quorum in the house of reps is 218 members. Dems can do that with no gop reps present.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 22, 2022 10:52 PM (r46W7)

212 I see in the last 2 days a 25 year old BB player and a 26 year old NFL player have died. No C.O.D provided.

Kung Flu prick(s)?
Posted by: The Dream Team

NOTHING to see here, move along comrade!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana! ~ at June 22, 2022 10:52 PM (hOUT3)

213 "Oh my gawd, buy an electric car...!"

You have an attractive mouth. Oral pleasure, no talking.

You will do this now.

Posted by: ZOD at June 22, 2022 10:52 PM (Q/6pY)

214 What is the Coast Guard doing so far from home in the Caribbean Sea, and exactly what jurisdiction do they have over any activity therein?

Next you'll be asking what the legal authority is for the United States government to seize the yachts of Russian oligarchs in foreign ports.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 22, 2022 10:52 PM (I2/tG)

215 Picture this: a "refilling" station for electric vehicles. Instead of driving up alongside the pumps, you drive over an open pit, like at Jiffy Lube or some such. A technician in the pit then disconnects your entire battery pack as a single unit, wheels it away, wheels a fully charged battery pack into position, bolts it to your car's chassis, and you drive away. You're in and out in five minutes. The station keeps your old battery pack, re-charging it at its leisure, until it's available for another vehicle.

Kinda like going over to Home Depot to exchange your empty propane cylinder for a new one.
Posted by: Gelasius the Third at June 22, 2022 10:44 PM (lfYWc)
----
That's basically how my weed whacker and leaf blower work. They both use the same battery pack. I have one for each of them, but I don't use them both at once, of course. I just leave one pack charging and one in the device. Works out pretty well.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at June 22, 2022 10:53 PM (K5n5d)

216 Kinda like going over to Home Depot to exchange your empty propane cylinder for a new one.

That is how I managed to get rid of some expired tanks that were too old to refill. You look for some slack jawed Lowes Depot employee to take the worthless tanks and give you new ones 70% filled with propane.

Same thing with batteries, you take your battery that is near worn out and ready to catch on fire, and find some patsy who will trade you a newer one for it.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at June 22, 2022 10:53 PM (AHeqJ)

217 Posted by: The Dream Team at June 22, 2022 10:50 PM (2nCKy)

That's my guess.

Posted by: thathalfrican - Up in arms like Minutemen at June 22, 2022 10:53 PM (YglAn)

218 This place really needs some Imperial strength level directions and guidance!
___

Looking in the wrong place, Hrothgar.

Just sayin'.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at June 22, 2022 10:53 PM (c/IRE)

219 Next Chicago will say that you just need to let the armed robber rob you and shoot you.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 22, 2022 10:53 PM (4bYcn)

220
Take a Tesla, which electrical specs I read up on recently to get some idea of how this shit works. One model uses a 100 kW-hr battery. At one time, they may downsized that to 90 or 85 or something, but 100 is a nice round number to deal with.

Now, how much to charge a 100 kW-hr. Well, that's wattages time time. 50 kW would charge one in two hours (*, actually longer, more later).

How much current is 50kW at 240V single phase? A mere 208A. Exceeding the rating of a 200A service. And greatly exceeding the rating of the typical transformer supplying it, which is sized for actual demand.

So, we'd best cut that down a bit. How about 10kW rate? That's about 42A at 240V. You're gonna need about a 60A circuit to do that. A 50A would do it, but you'd be skirting the 80% rule by 2A. Call it non-continuous load. I think that's how they size the single phase "fast chargers".

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at June 22, 2022 10:53 PM (Mzdiz)

221 Several dogs lost
To cancer, and dear father
Concur: fuck cancer

Posted by: Captain Haiku at June 22, 2022 10:53 PM (BLawi)

222 Next you'll be asking what the legal authority is for the United States government to seize the yachts of Russian oligarchs in foreign ports.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 22, 2022 10:52 PM (I2/tG)
---
It's in the "Fuck You. Pay Me." clause of the Constitution.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at June 22, 2022 10:54 PM (K5n5d)

223 200 You are preaching to the converted, says me. I have long advocated the same policy.

1. Range limits and recharge time no longer an issue.

2. Less taxing on the grid; recharge sites could be co-located with new generating stations, so all the energy eaten by the batteries would not have to shipped on the grid.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 22, 2022 10:49 PM (1q0W7)

Those type of oil change/charging stations will need to be built. Wonder if the permits will be easy to obtain.

Then there will need to be a shit ton of electricity to be delivered.
And since every Tom, Dick & Honda will all have different batteries stocking batteries should be interesting.
LP tanks are universal. My understanding that the batteries arent

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 22, 2022 10:54 PM (2nCKy)

224 It's weird, but this pot-loving, agnostic Jew is more conservative than Cornyn. He probably professes to being a God-fearing Christian and would throw my stoned ass in prison for life. (I'm not actually stoned at the moment; I have to wait until after I file my big appeal brief on Friday.)

Posted by: SFGoth at June 22, 2022 10:54 PM (KAi1n)

225 Some of these idiots actually think you can run an electric car by just plugging in a little drop cord to a standard 15A 120V outlet. It will charge up in no time, and easy peasy.

They actually think this.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion

It takes 4 hours to charge your weedwhacker that way, but sure, it'll do your SUV in 8.

Posted by: mikeski at June 22, 2022 10:54 PM (P1f+c)

226

Note that 10kW rate is now gonna take you 10 hours to charge up your battery.

How much is 10 kW. Like a running a couple of electric dryers at the same time.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at June 22, 2022 10:54 PM (Mzdiz)

227 >>206 ZOD, good to see you here!
This place really needs some Imperial strength level directions and guidance! Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana! ~ at June 22, 2022 10:50 PM (hOUT3)

Good to see you, too!

(Buys the world a Coke) Let's begin cleaning up.

Posted by: ZOD at June 22, 2022 10:54 PM (Q/6pY)

228 Not entirely sure how the Avs are even in this game, but OT it shall be where any ol random bouncy puck can end it.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 22, 2022 10:55 PM (8GBH4)

229 Looking in the wrong place, Hrothgar.
Just sayin'.
Posted by: SMH at what's coming

I stand corrected!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana! ~ at June 22, 2022 10:55 PM (hOUT3)

230 >>Concur: fuck cancer
Posted by: Captain Haiku at June 22, 2022 10:53 PM (BLawi)

Concur.

Posted by: ZOD at June 22, 2022 10:55 PM (Q/6pY)

231 Chicago police are no longer allowed to chase people on foot just for running away

When crime goes up they can blame it on the pandemic, or Putin.

Posted by: nerdygirl at June 22, 2022 10:55 PM (+lVUW)

232 Problem with that is that the batteries do eventually go bad, and lose the ability to fully charge.

Ergo, you roll in and get an OLD battery for your NEW one?
Posted by: Romeo13 at June 22, 2022 10:46 PM (oHd/0)

Not really a problem. Under a battery-swap scheme, you would not buy a battery with the car. You would probably pay an annual lease fee, which would entitle you to have "a" battery in your car. On each swap transaction, you would pay only for the net energy used. Cars could be equipped with net amp-hour meters to accurately record actual energy used, and not "percent" of an ideal battery.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 22, 2022 10:55 PM (1q0W7)

233 Before combine harvesters were a thing, you had swathers that cut the grain, and laid it out in rows, from which laborers would gather into stooks, and place on a wagon. The wagon would be driven to a thrashing machine, and hand labor would take the stooked grain, and feed it into the the thrashing machine.

Lots of old galvanized iron thrashing machines parked on hilltops and road allowances around here, like dinosaur skeletons.

Combine harvesters do it all, with Diesel power.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 22, 2022 10:43 PM (1q0W7)
===

I hope we can recondition those dinosaur skeletons for the After time.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 22, 2022 10:55 PM (EZebt)

234 22 19 Coryn may be in damage control mode. We've been invited to a virtual town hall (phone?) tomorrow night. I don't think he'll take our questions since they have to be vetted but I will report whatever bs he spews.
Posted by: LASue at June 22, 2022 10:06 PM (Ed8Zd

He's playing that typical game of 'we had to do something!' Which always results in the worst legislation possible and a dump truck of unintended consequences.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 22, 2022 10:07 PM (4bYcn)

The consequences aren't unintended at all. Which is why the GOPe wants a new voting base, cause their current one doesn't align with the "elites" desires at all and they'd rather not have to pretend otherwise every 2-6 years.

Posted by: Cheer Bear, 2022 at June 22, 2022 10:56 PM (a0KPx)

235 There is a well established construction business in Wasilla that makes horizontal surfaces called Counter Intelligence.

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at June 22, 2022 10:56 PM (LOVUx)

236 “The government’s wanting to make this transition and shift to EVs, and there are several concerns around that in the automotive vertical and specifically the dealership world.”

The effortless and zero-cost shift to an all-renewable electrified and EV nation promised by Our Betters is worse than a travesty of a mockery of a sham of a mockery of two mockeries of a sham.

Because they do not have a fossil fuels-to renewable energy transition plan. If Our Betters had a credible transition plan, Joe would have invoked the Defense Production Act to force industry to procure materials for EV batteries on the day he was inaugurated, not a month ago.

As long as Our Betters get adequate kickbacks from the sham EV, battery, solar cell, and windmill outfits, they don't care what our transportation and black-out problems are.

I dare Fox News or any other "news" outfit to ask Biden or Granholm for a copy of their nation-wide, vertically-integrated plan for the total transition from fossil fuels to renewables-generated total electrification. With schedules, costs, and the necessary annual Federal expenditures.

Posted by: Wednesday's Child at June 22, 2022 10:57 PM (AMIL/)

237
I try to imagine ag production without fossil fuels. It ain't happening. Two words, "electric combine". That makes me bust out laughing.

These people are fools. Absolute fools.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion

How about Electric Aeroplane?
Sounds like a band name from 1968.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 22, 2022 10:57 PM (63Dwl)

238 >>> Family is complaining that clerk shouldn't have had a gun at work.

https://bit.ly/3br8YVC
Posted by: Blanco Basura
----------------------------

Crazy Ohio.

Posted by: Braenyard, and the teacher is teaching the golden rule at June 22, 2022 10:57 PM (Ff89T)

239 >>224 It's weird, but this pot-loving, agnostic Jew
Posted by: SFGoth at June 22, 2022 10:54 PM (KAi1n)

Agnosticism is the bi of the faith spectrum. You either believe in Santa, or you don't.

There is no try.

Posted by: ZOD at June 22, 2022 10:57 PM (Q/6pY)

240 I did something I never Thought I would need to do and bought 3 month's supply of Food, because Joe Fuck Up is in charge.

Also Bank of America scanned people's accounts to see if they were in DC on Jan 6, all without a warrant.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at June 22, 2022 10:57 PM (dKiJG)

241 So, we'd best cut that down a bit. How about 10kW rate? That's about 42A at 240V. You're gonna need about a 60A circuit to do that. A 50A would do it, but you'd be skirting the 80% rule by 2A. Call it non-continuous load. I think that's how they size the single phase "fast chargers".
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at June 22, 2022 10:53 PM (Mzdiz)

Now add in your house electricity on top of that...

Mine runs about 8 KWH per hour, in daytime summer with the air con running.... (which is why I'm putting 12 KWH worth of solar panels on)...

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 22, 2022 10:57 PM (oHd/0)

242 Quote III
“The modern environmental movement is built on false philosophical premises – that mankind is apart from nature, that nature is static, and many others....

So very true. The entire lie about CO2 as a destructive gas is well, a lie. The numbers their experts use are based upon projections not actual data, and are always at one extreme end of the scale.

I ask a greenie, when they whine about global warming, is to ask for the name of the research book, or books (there has to be a lot of them because this is soooo important, right?) and they can't name one. Because there is no definitive book to support their fake science. But their religious fervor at this nonsense is disturbing. It hurts real people when they spew their nonsense.

I actually look forward to the Californians who are nearly out of water (their reservoir expansion planned in the 60's and 70's was cancelled in later years, even though population more than doubled in that time) and their electricity blackouts (no expansion of electrical output to support the growing population) to suffer. Bigly. Serves them right.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 22, 2022 10:58 PM (sy5kK)

243 >>> The duo is maneuvering not necessarily to defeat the bill, but rather to show unwavering resolve within the House GOP against gun control.

This, this right here [pointing at sentence] is where the GOP dorked me in the squeaker.

Keep on showin' that unwaverin' resolve you worthless fucks.

Posted by: banana Dream at June 22, 2022 10:58 PM (P7lUj)

244 Some of these idiots actually think you can run an electric car by just plugging in a little drop cord to a standard 15A 120V outlet. It will charge up in no time, and easy peasy.

I was thinking it was a USB port and I could just plug the car into my Mac Book.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at June 22, 2022 10:58 PM (AHeqJ)

245 Chicago should have a Crime Rating each day on the morning news.

Today's UV levels are yellow
Smog levels are red
Crime levels are plaid.

Please stay inside and lock yo doh!

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 22, 2022 10:58 PM (4bYcn)

246 Because they do not have a fossil fuels-to renewable energy transition plan.

Sure they do. Kill fossil fuels so you have no choice.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com. Not insurgents, counterrevolutionaries. at June 22, 2022 10:59 PM (Bd6X8)

247 Combine harvesters do it all, with Diesel power.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 22, 2022 10:43 PM (1q0W7)
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I hope we can recondition those dinosaur skeletons for the After time.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 22, 2022 10:55 PM (EZebt)

My dad grew up in Laramie in the 1930's. He told me about how exciting it was when the steam threshers came around, and how everyone hired them because doing it the old way never paid. He also described when one of them exploded. He said you could hear it 100 miles away (who knows how far?) but that everyone in the field died.

Maybe stick with the modern combines for a bit.

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at June 22, 2022 10:59 PM (LOVUx)

248 I saw a truck for a carpentry business - I think it had Maine plates - Morningwood Carpentry.

Posted by: blaster at June 22, 2022 10:59 PM (6TxNR)

249 I dare Fox News or any other "news" outfit to ask Biden or Granholm for a copy of their nation-wide, vertically-integrated plan for the total transition from fossil fuels to renewables-generated total electrification. With schedules, costs, and the necessary annual Federal expenditures.
Posted by: Wednesday's Child at June 22, 2022 10:57 PM (AMIL/)

Now there you go, sounding like an adult.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 22, 2022 11:00 PM (sy5kK)

250 137. My sister used to live in the shadow of that DC line in the San Fernando valley. Weird to me that it didn’t hum, just crackled.

Posted by: forgot my nic at June 22, 2022 11:00 PM (orvb1)

251 235 There is a well established construction business in Wasilla that makes horizontal surfaces called Counter Intelligence.
Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at June 22, 2022 10:56 PM (LOVUx)

I bet their product is smarter than the two legged critters running around on TV after they were forced out of gov't service.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 22, 2022 11:00 PM (2nCKy)

252 This place really needs some Imperial strength level directions and guidance!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar

At first I thought it said Imperial stout.
Good stuff!

Posted by: SFGoth at June 22, 2022 11:00 PM (KAi1n)

253 Then there will need to be a shit ton of electricity to be delivered.
And since every Tom, Dick & Honda will all have different batteries stocking batteries should be interesting.
LP tanks are universal. My understanding that the batteries arent
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 22, 2022 10:54 PM (2nCKy)

There is no fundamental technical reason why automotive battery packs can't be universal, or at least limited to a few standard types. The humble "D" cell for flashlights is over a century old, now, and still going strong.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 22, 2022 11:00 PM (1q0W7)

254 "I ask a greenie, when they whine about global warming, is to ask for the name of the research book, or books (there has to be a lot of them because this is soooo important, right?) and they can't name one."

Inconvenient Truth, by Al Gore Jr.

Duh!

Posted by: davidt at June 22, 2022 11:00 PM (oTZbj)

255 Today's UV levels are yellow
Smog levels are red
Crime levels are plaid.

Please stay inside and lock yo doh!
Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 22, 2022 10:58 PM (4bYcn)
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Crime levels in Chicago are ludicrous, so plaid would be the appropriate color scheme...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at June 22, 2022 11:00 PM (K5n5d)

256 Well, the House's unwavering commitment to Failure Theater is more like it.

Of course they're all laughing about fucking you over on guns, and next on immigration. They should laugh. They're still going to win in November.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 22, 2022 11:00 PM (IXpV7)

257 I try to imagine ag production without fossil fuels. It ain't happening. Two words, "electric combine". That makes me bust out laughing.

These people are fools. Absolute fools.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion

You will string overhead catenary electric lines over your fields to power that electric combine. And that, by itself, will cost a lot of money.
"Billions!" says zombie Carl Cosmos

Posted by: Bozo Conservative......Living on the Prison Planet at June 22, 2022 11:00 PM (tjZg/)

258 The effortless and zero-cost shift to an all-renewable electrified and EV nation promised by Our Betters is worse than a travesty of a mockery of a sham of a mockery of two mockeries of a sham.

It's very simple - you electrify every vehicle and every building in the United States. That roughly doubles the demand for electricity in the United States.

Simultaneously, you shut down every fossil fuel plant and nuclear plant in the United States.

And you do it in ten years, ideally less.

It's called the "moral equivalent of war", because you'll need the Army to put down the rebellions as living standards collapse to Third World levels.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 22, 2022 11:01 PM (I2/tG)

259 I was thinking it was a USB port and I could just plug the car into my Mac Book.
Posted by: Reuben Hick

It has to be a Big Mac Book to do that!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana! ~ at June 22, 2022 11:01 PM (hOUT3)

260 Family is complaining that clerk shouldn't have had a gun at work.

Posted by: Blanco Basura

Crazy Ohio.

Posted by: Braenyard

Well Dayton so, yeah.

Posted by: Tonypete on the road at June 22, 2022 11:01 PM (pTyJa)

261 The threshing machines wouldn't be hard to renew. Metal and wood with some belts that used to be leather so could be again. For those of you living in hills near a river, a simple water wheel could run it. Grain for all my friends! Somewhere in my "stuff" I've got the sorta tachometer for a threshing machine that my Granddad used.

Posted by: LRob in TX at June 22, 2022 11:01 PM (KTPXo)

262 Please stay inside and lock yo doh!

Beeotch.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at June 22, 2022 11:02 PM (89T5c)

263 Note that 10kW rate is now gonna take you 10 hours to charge up your battery.

How much is 10 kW. Like a running a couple of electric dryers at the same time.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at June 22, 2022 10:54 PM (Mzdiz)

Assume you pay 12 cents per kW for household electricity. Isn't that $1.20 per hour for 10 hours, or $12 to recharge your EV?

Posted by: Count de Monet at June 22, 2022 11:03 PM (4I/2K)

264 Agnosticism is the bi of the faith spectrum. You either believe in Santa, or you don't.

There is no try.
Posted by: ZOD

I have no idea. I'm neither going to fiat nor deny what I don't know. I'm open to whatever the answer is, but not just because someone tells me. I don't believe in Santa. That, I figured out a long time ago wasn't real.

Posted by: SFGoth at June 22, 2022 11:03 PM (KAi1n)

265 There is no fundamental technical reason why automotive battery packs can't be universal, or at least limited to a few standard types. The humble "D" cell for flashlights is over a century old, now, and still going strong.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 22, 2022 11:00 PM (1q0W7)
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Yep. Look at how much of our technology relies on standardization of some form or another so that it can be used across devices (e.g. USB ports, HDMI connections, various flavors of battery cells, etc.)

Ideally you'd have an automated battery swap station. You drive in to the designated slot (about the size of a car wash station) and then automated robots take over, scanning your vehicle to determine the appropriate battery pack, pulling out the old and inserting the new. Takes just a couple of minutes from start to finish. We have the technology to pull this off.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at June 22, 2022 11:03 PM (K5n5d)

266 You will string overhead catenary electric lines over your fields to power that electric combine. And that, by itself, will cost a lot of money.
"Billions!" says zombie Carl Cosmos
Posted by: Bozo Conservative......Living on the Prison Planet at June 22, 2022 11:00 PM (tjZg/)

Don't be silly. Just use one of those orange extension cords. Should work just fine.

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at June 22, 2022 11:04 PM (LOVUx)

267 I dare Fox News or any other "news" outfit to ask Biden or Granholm for a copy of their nation-wide, vertically-integrated plan for the total transition from fossil fuels to renewables-generated total electrification. With schedules, costs, and the necessary annual Federal expenditures.

Posted by: Wednesday's Child at June 22, 2022 10:57 PM (AMIL/)

I think their plan is to make fossil fuel really, really expensive and to bully and shame people into buying EVs, best I can tell.

Posted by: Javems at June 22, 2022 11:05 PM (AmoqO)

268 228 Not entirely sure how the Avs are even in this game, but OT it shall be where any ol random bouncy puck can end it.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 22, 2022 10:55 PM (8GBH4)

How many Morons and Moronettes will cut their own throats if the Lightning win their third straight Stanley Cup? From comments over the past month, it seems that ace's readership will be slashed by 75 percent if the Lightning win this series (pun intended). (I only watch playoff hockey, for the intensity and drams, and am indifferent about who wins the Cup.)

Posted by: Wednesday's Child at June 22, 2022 11:05 PM (AMIL/)

269 244 Some of these idiots actually think you can run an electric car by just plugging in a little drop cord to a standard 15A 120V outlet. It will charge up in no time, and easy peasy.

I was thinking it was a USB port and I could just plug the car into my Mac Book.
Posted by: Reuben Hick at June 22, 2022 10:58 PM (AHeqJ)

Not my 100watt solar charge on the shed?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 22, 2022 11:05 PM (2nCKy)

270 Electric cars are a thing - if you want one buy one if you don't want one don't. They are here and are for sale and will continue to be for sale.

Arguing against electric cars is like arguing against the wind.

Don't like the wind go inside.
Like the wind go outside and enjoy.

Posted by: Braenyard, and the teacher is teaching the golden rule at June 22, 2022 11:05 PM (Ff89T)

271 >>That roughly doubles the demand for electricity in the United States. Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 22, 2022 11:01 PM (I2/tG)

(Purchases NS/UNP stocks, masturbates with great...in-tensity)

Make it so.

Posted by: ZOD at June 22, 2022 11:05 PM (Q/6pY)

272 LP tanks are universal. My understanding that the batteries arent

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 22, 2022 10:54 PM (2nCKy)

Correct. And it is much worse than that. Tesla only allows their techs to work on Teslas. The connectors from the battery pack to the car must be tightened precisely. The battery packs are in a puncture resistant sealed case, with lots of shock absorbers around its exterior. And they STILL catch fire regularly.

It would be easier to just swap the whole car out. "Move your shit over, bub, I ain't got all day."

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 22, 2022 11:05 PM (F0YaR)

273 Don't be silly. Just use one of those orange extension cords. Should work just fine.
Posted by: tcn in AK

Mount a solar panel on top of the combine.

Duh! Jeeze you guys.

Posted by: Tonypete on the road at June 22, 2022 11:05 PM (pTyJa)

274 Assume you pay 12 cents per kW for household electricity. Isn't that $1.20 per hour for 10 hours, or $12 to recharge your EV?
Posted by: Count de Monet at June 22, 2022 11:03 PM (4I/2K)

now multiply that by 2.5 for actual electric rated in Calif.

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 22, 2022 11:06 PM (oHd/0)

275 >>> 233

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I hope we can recondition those dinosaur skeletons for the After time.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 22, 2022 10:55 PM (EZebt)

Yeah, there are a *lot* of processes for which we may be re-learning older methods in the next 12-18 months.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at June 22, 2022 11:06 PM (llON8)

276 Interesting link from Insty on vaccine side effects sperm count, and the assault on free discussion of data

shorturl.at/juvIK

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana! ~ at June 22, 2022 11:06 PM (hOUT3)

277 My sister used to live in the shadow of that DC line in the San Fernando valley. Weird to me that it didn’t hum, just crackled.
Posted by: forgot my nic at June 22, 2022 11:00 PM (orvb1)

Friend of mine lives a mile or two from a big DC high-line that runs from (coal-fired) generators near Keephills, Alberta down into Montana. He tells me that several times he noticed big bright corona discharges off the wires. He contacted the owners of the line, who were intrigued, and said that the line was not even energized at the time. But they did not dismiss his observation, and indeed tried to monitor for it.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 22, 2022 11:06 PM (1q0W7)

278 the CDC changed or updated the protocols on SIDS and how babies should sleep at night, it's just a coincidence that the vaccine is available to babies

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at June 22, 2022 11:06 PM (dKiJG)

279 No not at all, unless you are eating the dog food and not feeding it to the pups.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 22, 2022 10:38

No, they get the dog food, and it's actually the reverse w/ the cat, she gets human food sometimes. At the price and low supply of catfood we have fed her cheap canned tuna, she loves it.

As always, many thanks for your work on the ONT.

Posted by: Farmer at June 22, 2022 11:06 PM (55Qr6)

280 We have the technology to pull this off.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at June 22, 2022 11:03 PM (K5n5d)

Not sure what city or state you are in. But in most of my state we don't have the technology to pull it off.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 22, 2022 11:06 PM (2nCKy)

281 On each swap transaction, you would pay only for the net energy used. Cars could be equipped with net amp-hour meters to accurately record actual energy used, and not "percent" of an ideal battery.

So you swap out your new 200km range battery for a worn out 100km battery but you have to go another 150km and your car's computer, based on its reading of the previous battery says that you can make it.

It would be equivalent of you randomly swapping out your ICE vehicle's fuel tank with one with capacity of 10 to 40 gallons and you don't know what one you have until you see how fast the fuel gauge plummets.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at June 22, 2022 11:06 PM (AHeqJ)

282 o, they get the dog food, and it's actually the reverse w/ the cat, she gets human food sometimes. At the price and low supply of catfood we have fed her cheap canned tuna, she loves it.

As always, many thanks for your work on the ONT.
Posted by: Farmer at June 22, 2022 11:06 PM (55Qr6)

You're welcome Farmer. Glad you pussy goes for cheap tuna.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 22, 2022 11:07 PM (2nCKy)

283 You got it all wrong. Nobody gets paid if changing batteries is convenient and relatively cheap. My battery is placed in such a way as to make removing and replacing it absolutely fucking miserable. That ain't happenstance.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at June 22, 2022 11:07 PM (KFhLj)

284 Arguing against electric cars is like arguing against the wind.

Don't like the wind go inside.
Like the wind go outside and enjoy.

Posted by: Braenyard, and the teacher is teaching the golden rule at June 22, 2022 11:05 PM (Ff89T)

It is not so much a case of liking or not liking. It is a case of practical vs. impractical to the point of dangerous. I'm not going to drive from Anchorage to Fairbanks in the winter on a single silly charge, and maybe you can point to me where I can carry an extra battery just in case, rather than the extra gas can.

Not everyone uses their vehicle to just scoot around town.

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at June 22, 2022 11:07 PM (LOVUx)

285 This whole EV thing is just nucking futs.

They are burning coal to make the electricity.

People are willfully ignorant. Like acting that your bacon doesn't start out on four legs.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 22, 2022 11:08 PM (4bYcn)

286 It would be equivalent of you randomly swapping out your ICE vehicle's fuel tank with one with capacity of 10 to 40 gallons and you don't know what one you have until you see how fast the fuel gauge plummets.

Hey! You play the game and takes yer chances!

Posted by: LRob in TX at June 22, 2022 11:08 PM (KTPXo)

287 Not really a problem. Under a battery-swap scheme, you would not buy a battery with the car. You would probably pay an annual lease fee, which would entitle you to have "a" battery in your car. On each swap transaction, you would pay only for the net energy used. Cars could be equipped with net amp-hour meters to accurately record actual energy used, and not "percent" of an ideal battery.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 22, 2022 10:55 PM (1q0W7)

It's a nice theory, but no EV is currently designed to swap out batteries. There would have to be an entire new generation of EV's designed and built, while industry design standards would have to be adopted. Not happening in many, many years.
EV's are ok in close-in areas for some uses, like daily commutes in a big city. But the fedgov is forcing them down our throats whether we want them or not.
My prediction is the govt is going to collapse before EV's become the main transportation method.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 22, 2022 11:08 PM (sy5kK)

288 Commercial fast-chargers (e.g., at interstate charging stations) are in the HUNDREDS of amps @ 480V. Still takes 30+ minutes to provide enough charge for a mere 100 miles range. Pathetic.

Posted by: FriscoYoda at June 22, 2022 11:08 PM (S7une)

289 I think their plan is to make fossil fuel really, really expensive and to bully and shame people into buying EVs, best I can tell.
Posted by: Javems at June 22, 2022 11:05 PM (AmoqO)

As a side note, no politician will ever pay for zis gasoline because it will be charged to a tax payer funded credit card!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana! ~ at June 22, 2022 11:09 PM (hOUT3)

290 267 I dare Fox News or any other "news" outfit to ask Biden or Granholm for a copy of their nation-wide, vertically-integrated plan for the total transition from fossil fuels to renewables-generated total electrification. With schedules, costs, and the necessary annual Federal expenditures.

Posted by: Wednesday's Child at June 22, 2022 10:57 PM (AMIL/)

I think their plan is to make fossil fuel really, really expensive and to bully and shame people into buying EVs, best I can tell.
Posted by: Javems at June 22, 2022 11:05 PM (AmoqO)

Agreed, And when EVs AND the necessary electricity for tem and for all home and commercial electricity needs come-up short, they'll see that as a feature not a bug. What the Progs are doing is beyond criminal.

Posted by: Wednesday's Child at June 22, 2022 11:09 PM (AMIL/)

291 174
Whatever offense did that poor horse commit, to merit such a terrible fate? And the carpenter's overtime on building the oversized gallows, why, I can't even.. ..

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at June 22, 2022 10:43 PM (tkOps)
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Did you miss the horse hanging in Blazing Saddles?

Posted by: Ciampino enjoys symphonic metal at June 22, 2022 11:10 PM (qfLjt)

292 >>electric cars

(applies the whip to the team)

Palanquins, negroes. For the win.

Posted by: ZOD at June 22, 2022 11:10 PM (Q/6pY)

293 It would be equivalent of you randomly swapping out your ICE vehicle's fuel tank with one with capacity of 10 to 40 gallons and you don't know what one you have until you see how fast the fuel gauge plummets.

That's half the fun.

Posted by: BruceWayne at June 22, 2022 11:10 PM (MGB5H)

294 It would be easier to just swap the whole car out. "Move your shit over, bub, I ain't got all day."

I remember an episode of Top Gear where they had an analysis of what was in the car seats of their very used cars.

Its pretty disgusting what people do in vehicles. And it just gets worse with people with loose bowels, pets, or children who routinely are car sick.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at June 22, 2022 11:10 PM (AHeqJ)

295 I said it a few days ago, but I would not be surprised to see the gun bill not pass the House.

GOP might be in the minority (by 4), but there will be a lot of pressure on the left to not vote for a bill that doesn't ban a single gun or magazine type.

Question is can Pelosi get her caucus to agree that this is the best they can get. I bet House passes their own bill with a ban on the AR-15 and the whole thing dies in conference.

I also think there is grave political risk for Murkoski and would be surprised if she votes for it. I would actually love it if she does, losses her seat because of the vote, then the bill dies anyway.

Also guarantee Cornyn doesn't have the votes for amnesty.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at June 22, 2022 11:10 PM (5p7BC)

296 >>> 270 Electric cars are a thing - if you want one buy one if you don't want one don't. They are here and are for sale and will continue to be for sale.

Arguing against electric cars is like arguing against the wind.

Don't like the wind go inside.
Like the wind go outside and enjoy.

Posted by: Braenyard, and the teacher is teaching the golden rule at June 22, 2022 11:05 PM (Ff89T)

She's like the wind
through my trees

Posted by: Patrick Swayze at June 22, 2022 11:10 PM (llON8)

297 Robert the Cat (TM) post.

Well, he wanted to bite me. Really wanted to bite me. But I refused (yeah, I'm like Rich Evans for the AoS Horde).

He also went in my face multiple times, until I figured out what he wanted was not me nuzzling and petting, but me dispensing treats.

I've changed my stance on this. This is actually worse than being married.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at June 22, 2022 11:11 PM (m0zqP)

298 Dumb question by why hasn't our government mandated that the military stop using diesel and gas for our military equipment?

Why aren't planes electric? Why isn't that tank electric?

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 22, 2022 11:11 PM (4bYcn)

299 We have the technology to pull this off.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at June 22, 2022 11:03 PM (K5n5d)

Not sure what city or state you are in. But in most of my state we don't have the technology to pull it off.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 22, 2022 11:06 PM (2nCKy)
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It would not be easy or cheap to do, but the engineering capability to build a system like this exists.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at June 22, 2022 11:11 PM (K5n5d)

300 It would be easier to just swap the whole car out. "Move your shit over, bub, I ain't got all day."
Posted by: GnuBreed at June 22, 2022 11:05 PM (F0YaR)

Tesla deliberately makes their cars hard to repair, and using expensive proprietary parts, because there is money in that. I said there is no real technical obstacle to swappable batteries, because there isn't one, if you make that a design imperative from the outset.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 22, 2022 11:11 PM (1q0W7)

301 Santa is easy. If a kid asks I just pull out the Catechism and go to the section on saints, and the communion of the saints. bada-boom bada-bing, Santa.

Posted by: banana Dream at June 22, 2022 11:11 PM (P7lUj)

302 Commercial fast-chargers (e.g., at interstate charging stations) are in the HUNDREDS of amps @ 480V. Still takes 30+ minutes to provide enough charge for a mere 100 miles range. Pathetic.

And like your mobile device battery, fast charging dramatically reduces the life of the battery.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at June 22, 2022 11:11 PM (AHeqJ)

303
Assume you pay 12 cents per kW for household electricity. Isn't that $1.20 per hour for 10 hours, or $12 to recharge your EV?
Posted by: Count de Monet at June 22, 2022 11:03 PM (4I/2K)

NO! Electricity is FREE!

Posted by: Greenies who never pay their own bills at June 22, 2022 11:12 PM (sy5kK)

304 yeah, that chick going on about buying an electric car: She demonstrated, once again, parodying the left is virtually impossible.

Good evening.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 22, 2022 11:13 PM (5pTK/)

305 Three doors down the neighbor has a charging post for his Tesla. I think he's also running an unlicensed daycare on the lower level of his house. Keeps to himself, but his cover is shit if he thinks antisocial isolationism isn't a tell.

Weird. And I don't want an electric car.

But I could find uses for a home-powered electric chair.

Posted by: ZOD at June 22, 2022 11:13 PM (Q/6pY)

306 Ideally you'd have an automated battery swap station. You drive in to the designated slot (about the size of a car wash station) and then automated robots take over, scanning your vehicle to determine the appropriate battery pack, pulling out the old and inserting the new. Takes just a couple of minutes from start to finish. We have the technology to pull this off.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel

The actual technology for the batteries in electric cars is pretty sophisticated. I don't think you can swap them out like your "D" cell batteries in that flashlight.
They are not particularly sturdy, and due to their high energy density storage capacity, somewhat unstable.
Some electric car battery systems have elaborate cooling systems to prevent the battery from overheating during charging. That's an exothermic chemical reaction (storing the charge) and the heat has to go somewhere (and why these things sometimes catch on fire). Pulling them in and out of a car could easily damage the battery pack.
Better batteries are coming, but not quite soon enough.
Maybe in 4 or 5 years.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative......Living on the Prison Planet at June 22, 2022 11:14 PM (tjZg/)

307 The idiot libs in my family are completely and totally willfully ignorant. Fucking retards.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at June 22, 2022 11:14 PM (89T5c)

308 >>> I remember an episode of Top Gear where they had an analysis of what was in the car seats of their very used cars.

Its pretty disgusting what people do in vehicles. And it just gets worse with people with loose bowels, pets, or children who routinely are car sick.
Posted by: Reuben Hick at June 22, 2022 11:10 PM (AHeqJ)

I had a sister that broke water in her citation and then the car set in the hospital parking lot in the summer for a few days. Never really got that cleaned 100%.

Posted by: banana Dream at June 22, 2022 11:14 PM (P7lUj)

309 It would not be easy or cheap to do, but the engineering capability to build a system like this exists.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel

Good thing that the time required to implement this as a universal system is not a critical factor.

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana! ~ at June 22, 2022 11:15 PM (hOUT3)

310 It is not so much a case of liking or not liking. It is a case of practical vs. impractical to the point of dangerous. I'm not going to drive from Anchorage to Fairbanks in the winter on a single silly charge, and maybe you can point to me where I can carry an extra battery just in case, rather than the extra gas can.

Not everyone uses their vehicle to just scoot around town.

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at June 22, 2022 11:07 PM (LOVUx)

Simple, trailer a diesel powered charging station to tote with you.

Posted by: Javems at June 22, 2022 11:15 PM (AmoqO)

311 I finished emplacing the foogas, got the barb wire set, fired in the mortars, and improved overhead cover. I'm ready for the neighbors dog who keeps crapping in my yard.
Posted by: Diogenes at June 22, 2022 10:42

Sounds like you are rady, but WTF is a foogas?

Posted by: Farmer at June 22, 2022 11:15 PM (55Qr6)

312 Are 'friends' electric?

Zod's broke down, and now he's got no-one to love....

Posted by: ZOD at June 22, 2022 11:15 PM (Q/6pY)

313 Tesla deliberately makes their cars hard to repair, and using expensive proprietary parts, because there is money in that. I said there is no real technical obstacle to swappable batteries, because there isn't one, if you make that a design imperative from the outset.

The sovietization of automobiles: Porsche's battery is a perfect fit for that Model 3 or a Leaf. That ought to guarantee egalitarianism in car design. No more performance, no more "extra range". One common wheel base, one common weight distribution, one common performance, one common motor and brake system, one common cooling and precharge unit.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at June 22, 2022 11:15 PM (AHeqJ)

314 It's called the "moral equivalent of war", because you'll need the Army to put down the rebellions as living standards collapse to Third World levels.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 22, 2022 11:01 PM (I2/tG)

Not enough Army men.

Posted by: Clutch at June 22, 2022 11:16 PM (9UmRs)

315 I finished emplacing the foogas, got the barb wire set, fired in the mortars, and improved overhead cover. I'm ready for the neighbors dog who keeps crapping in my yard.
Posted by: Diogenes at June 22, 2022 10:42 PM (anj39)

I knew some people who were letting their dog poop on their neighbor's lawn, even though the neighbors had asked them to stop. So, they came home one night and there was a good size pile of dog poop at their front door. Their neighbors had gathered it all up and set it aside until they got enough to get the point across. They stopped letting their dog poop on neighbor's lawn and admitted that they deserved the revenge poop.

Posted by: nerdygirl at June 22, 2022 11:16 PM (+lVUW)

316 Do these green idiots not realize that increasing the cost of fossil fuels also increases the cost of electricity? This would be true even for renewable energy sources, as the demand for "green" generation would increase.

Posted by: FriscoYoda at June 22, 2022 11:16 PM (S7une)

317 HAIL ZOD!

Posted by: nurse ratched at June 22, 2022 11:17 PM (U2p+3)

318 If they went electric vehicles on the battlefield, a single EMP would end things quickly.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 22, 2022 11:17 PM (4bYcn)

319 >>> 316 Do these green idiots not realize that increasing the cost of fossil fuels also increases the cost of electricity? This would be true even for renewable energy sources, as the demand for "green" generation would increase.
Posted by: FriscoYoda at June 22, 2022 11:16 PM (S7une)

It only increases the cost of the *bad* electricity. We only accept the *good* kind through the outlets in our house.

Posted by: leftists at June 22, 2022 11:18 PM (llON8)

320 295 I said it a few days ago, but I would not be surprised to see the gun bill not pass the House.

GOP might be in the minority (by 4), but there will be a lot of pressure on the left to not vote for a bill that doesn't ban a single gun or magazine type."

I agree with you, although I'd rate it as a 50/50 proposition. The progs (JayPal, AOC, etc) are pissed that all of their bills have been killed, and know that the Uniparty is now trying to steamroller them into going along. They could very easily kill it out of spite.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 22, 2022 11:18 PM (r46W7)

321 So you swap out your new 200km range battery for a worn out 100km battery but you have to go another 150km and your car's computer, based on its reading of the previous battery says that you can make it.

It would be equivalent of you randomly swapping out your ICE vehicle's fuel tank with one with capacity of 10 to 40 gallons and you don't know what one you have until you see how fast the fuel gauge plummets.
Posted by: Reuben Hick at June 22, 2022 11:06 PM (AHeqJ)

Well, the easy way to guard against that is to have warranteed minimum amount of charge in each battery from the swap station. Should a battery go bad prematurely, the vendor would be on the hook for the tow charge, and the lost mileage.

Truly bad batteries would get filtered out of the system based on their recharge behavior.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 22, 2022 11:18 PM (1q0W7)

322 Better batteries are coming, but not quite soon enough.
Maybe in 4 or 5 years.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative......Living on the Prison Planet at June 22, 2022 11:14 PM (tjZg/)
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From what I understand, Elon Musk is spending a ton of money on battery research.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 22, 2022 11:18 PM (5pTK/)

323 Tonypete - what's that story about a clerk with a gun in Dayton???

Posted by: Iris at June 22, 2022 11:19 PM (foa6+)

324 It would not be easy or cheap to do, but the engineering capability to build a system like this exists.

In what universe?

I live in the tech world and it is worse than watching laws or sausage being made.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at June 22, 2022 11:19 PM (AHeqJ)

325 Convicted Hoaxer Jussie Smollett Still Claims Hate Crime Victimhood: I’m Not a ‘Piece of S**t’ Exploiting LGBTQ Pain

Posted by: SMOD at June 22, 2022 11:19 PM (X5CsJ)

326 316 Do these green idiots not realize that increasing the cost of fossil fuels also increases the cost of electricity? This would be true even for renewable energy sources, as the demand for "green" generation would increase.

nope. They're fucking retarded.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at June 22, 2022 11:19 PM (89T5c)

327 >>I'm ready for the neighbors dog who keeps crapping in my yard. Posted by: Diogenes at June 22, 2022 10:42 PM (anj39)

"Slight left to right wind, dial in left 1 MOA."
"Roger, left 1 MOA."
"Send it. Send it."

Posted by: ZOD at June 22, 2022 11:20 PM (Q/6pY)

328 My prediction is the govt is going to collapse before EV's become the main transportation method.

All things considered there will probably be an interval where walking again becomes the main mode of transportation for all but the well connected (D) party faithful, so your prediction is most likely accurate.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com. Not insurgents, counterrevolutionaries. at June 22, 2022 11:20 PM (Bd6X8)

329 >>> 324 It would not be easy or cheap to do, but the engineering capability to build a system like this exists.

In what universe?

I live in the tech world and it is worse than watching laws or sausage being made.
Posted by: Reuben Hick at June 22, 2022 11:19 PM (AHeqJ)

Heh.

"Don't touch that legacy code! Nobody here understands how it works!"

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at June 22, 2022 11:20 PM (llON8)

330 Ummm...they've been doing battery research for over a hundred years. I wouldn't count on battery capacity becoming significantly better than it is right now anytime soon. Tesla's idea for a longer range battery is merely a LARGER battery.

Posted by: FriscoYoda at June 22, 2022 11:21 PM (S7une)

331 >>Smollett...I’m Not a ‘Piece of S**t’ Exploiting LGBTQ Pain
Posted by: SMOD at June 22, 2022 11:19 PM (X5CsJ)

Fries with that. Medium. Thanks.

Posted by: ZOD at June 22, 2022 11:21 PM (Q/6pY)

332 Convicted Hoaxer Jussie Smollett Still Claims Hate Crime Victimhood: I’m Not a ‘Piece of S**t’ Exploiting LGBTQ Pain

He's right. Shit doesn't whine.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com. Not insurgents, counterrevolutionaries. at June 22, 2022 11:21 PM (Bd6X8)

333 Simple, trailer a diesel powered charging station to tote with you.
Posted by: Javems at June 22, 2022 11:15 PM (AmoqO)
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Medical, dating and now electric vehicle advice. The horde is here to solve problems!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 22, 2022 11:21 PM (5pTK/)

334
My prediction is the govt is going to collapse before EV's become the main transportation method.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg

I hope you're right.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 22, 2022 11:21 PM (63Dwl)

335 Well, the easy way to guard against that is to have warranteed minimum amount of charge in each battery from the swap station. Should a battery go bad prematurely, the vendor would be on the hook for the tow charge, and the lost mileage.

So you are having your annual family vacation, you go rent an EV for the trip and the third charging station operator tells you that your battery is outside specification and will not accept your battery.

You are stranded until the rental company can find you, send someone out to swap the battery in the parking lot and then send you on your way.

That ought to go real well with the family.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at June 22, 2022 11:21 PM (AHeqJ)

336 >>317 HAIL ZOD!
Posted by: nurse ratched at June 22, 2022 11:17 PM (U2p+3)

NURSE IMPERIAL.

Posted by: ZOD at June 22, 2022 11:22 PM (Q/6pY)

337 My prediction is the govt is going to collapse before EV's become the main transportation method.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg

I hope you're right.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 22, 2022 11:21 PM (63Dwl)

since the time for ev's to become the main transport method is NEVER!!! it's a pretty safe bet.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 22, 2022 11:22 PM (r46W7)

338
..........Also guarantee Cornyn doesn't have the votes for amnesty.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at June 22, 2022 11:10 PM (5p7BC)

Thanks for the optimistic post. Looks like we still have a chance.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 22, 2022 11:23 PM (sy5kK)

339 Ummm...they've been doing battery research for over a hundred years. I wouldn't count on battery capacity becoming significantly better than it is right now anytime soon. Tesla's idea for a longer range battery is merely a LARGER battery.

Makes for more satisfying, longer lasting fires.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at June 22, 2022 11:23 PM (AHeqJ)

340 I could see this as the issue AOC uses to take control of the causus. Pelosi is out after this year, McCarthy will be the new speaker.

It's a good time the engineer a coup by the left.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at June 22, 2022 11:24 PM (5p7BC)

341 It's a good time the engineer a coup by the left.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at June 22, 2022 11:24 PM (5p7BC)
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AOC will make Pelosi look like a genius.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 22, 2022 11:25 PM (5pTK/)

342 >> or $12 to recharge your EV?

Yeppers. And prolly a lot more than that in CA, and going to be inflating everywhere soon.

Now, about that charging rate. I didn't mention efficiency. Turns out that when you're fast charging your Li-ion battery, your efficiency drops to 50%. Half goes in the battery as stored chemical energy, the other half is wasted as heat.

So, now you need to double that 100 kW-hrs for how much energy you're really doing to use.

Charging efficiency is never 100%, and you have to slow charge to get there. I think maybe 70% efficiency max, but I'm not sure.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at June 22, 2022 11:25 PM (Mzdiz)

343 In highschool we kind of made an electric chair. There was this plugin handheld doohickey that would generate sparks over a distance. Very high-frequency low voltage. I forget what it was for, I vaguely remember something about it being used for checking voids in pressure vessels.

But the important thing is the science teacher showed it to us then left it on a side table like a fool and we snatched it. We would set it so that it was in contact with one of the big metal school desks and when people sat down on the wood seat a spark would come up through the metal carriage bolts on the seat and shock them in the ass at it approached the seat. That was so much fun until we were caught and definitely worth the punishment of detention.

Posted by: banana Dream at June 22, 2022 11:25 PM (P7lUj)

344 207 Moron attempts an armed robbery. Clerk shoots him dead.

Family is complaining that clerk shouldn't have had a gun at work.

https://bit.ly/3br8YVC
Posted by: Blanco Basura

This reinforces my view that we have so much crime because imbeciles are raising kids.

Posted by: nerdygirl at June 22, 2022 11:25 PM (+lVUW)

345 >>> 339 Ummm...they've been doing battery research for over a hundred years. I wouldn't count on battery capacity becoming significantly better than it is right now anytime soon. Tesla's idea for a longer range battery is merely a LARGER battery.

Makes for more satisfying, longer lasting fires.
Posted by: Reuben Hick at June 22, 2022 11:23 PM (AHeqJ)

"I dare you to knock this flaming battery off my shoulder!"

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at June 22, 2022 11:25 PM (llON8)

346 It's a good time to engineer an EV coupe.

Posted by: ZOD at June 22, 2022 11:26 PM (Q/6pY)

347 .Also guarantee Cornyn doesn't have the votes for amnesty.

Lets say that Cornhole was found dead tomorrow morning and we say it was SADS. (Sudden Adult Death Syndrome). Nice thing about SADS is that there is no attempt to find cause of death, it, like shit, just happens, and everybody, including Pfizer and the WEF want to keep it that way.

Does anyone here expect Abbott to put in someone who even has a passing acquaintance with the US Constitution, or do we get some other GOP-e grifter who is for the long con?

Posted by: Reuben Hick at June 22, 2022 11:26 PM (AHeqJ)

348 336 >>317 HAIL ZOD!
Posted by: nurse ratched at June 22, 2022 11:17 PM (U2p+3)

NURSE IMPERIAL.
Posted by: ZOD at June 22, 2022 11:22 PM (Q/6pY)

I smell a conspiracy.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 22, 2022 11:26 PM (sy5kK)

349 So you are having your annual family vacation, you go rent an EV for the trip and the third charging station operator tells you that your battery is outside specification and will not accept your battery.

You are stranded until the rental company can find you, send someone out to swap the battery in the parking lot and then send you on your way.

That ought to go real well with the family.
Posted by: Reuben Hick at June 22, 2022 11:21 PM (AHeqJ)

It's not "your" battery. It is "a" battery. You lease the right to have "a" battery in your car, and you buy the energy to refill it. The leasing company owns the battery, and if it goes bad, they replace it.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 22, 2022 11:26 PM (1q0W7)

350 Iris -

Family is complaining that clerk shouldn't have had a gun at work.

https://bit.ly/3br8YVC
Posted by: Blanco Basura

Crazy Ohio.

Posted by: Tonypete on the road at June 22, 2022 11:26 PM (pTyJa)

351
WTF is a foogas?

It's what foo fighters use, FOO!

Posted by: Mr. T at June 22, 2022 11:27 PM (63Dwl)

352 248 Re Morningwood Carpentry: There is or was a drilling company in Dallas called “Cowboy Coring”. Their motto was “Your hole is our goal”.

Posted by: forgot my nic at June 22, 2022 11:27 PM (orvb1)

353 340 I could see this as the issue AOC uses to take control of the causus. Pelosi is out after this year, McCarthy will be the new speaker.

It's a good time the engineer a coup by the left.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at June 22, 2022 11:24 PM (5p7BC)

It should be quite easy after November, when a lot of the middle of the road Dems will be taken out.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 22, 2022 11:27 PM (r46W7)

354 It's a good time the engineer a coup by the left.

Can't wait to see them go all Khmer Rouge on their own.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com. Not insurgents, counterrevolutionaries. at June 22, 2022 11:27 PM (Bd6X8)

355 I give Perfessor Squirrel credit for at least approaching the problem rationally, even if there's a ton of anticipated issues with the proposal. Compare to the average greenie, who doesn't have the slightest idea where electricity comes from (other the that outlet thingy in the wall).

Posted by: FriscoYoda at June 22, 2022 11:28 PM (S7une)

356 I also think there is grave political risk for Murkoski and would be surprised if she votes for it. I would actually love it if she does, losses her seat because of the vote, then the bill dies anyway.

Also guarantee Cornyn doesn't have the votes for amnesty.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at Jun

Good. I sure can hope you’re right.

Posted by: LASue at June 22, 2022 11:28 PM (Ed8Zd)

357 But I thought batteries were made by literally raping the planet and strip mining and destruction of mountains.

Can't we go back to the good old days of throwing virgins into volcanoes?

Posted by: nurse ratched at June 22, 2022 11:28 PM (U2p+3)

358 There are much better uses for virgins...just sayin'.

Posted by: FriscoYoda at June 22, 2022 11:29 PM (S7une)

359 Charging efficiency is never 100%, and you have to slow charge to get there. I think maybe 70% efficiency max, but I'm not sure.

And you aren't really supposed to fill the battery to 100%, the recommended level is about 80% capacity. And you are really discouraged by the manufacturer to let the battery drop below 20% because that too damages the battery and charging system.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at June 22, 2022 11:29 PM (AHeqJ)

360 If they went electric vehicles on the battlefield, a single EMP would end things quickly.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 22, 2022 11:17 PM (4bYcn)

An EMP is probably the only thing that would save this country, but it would have to take down the internet for good.

If/when that happens, my friends in gray boxes will be greatly missed.

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at June 22, 2022 11:29 PM (Mzdiz)

361
Now, you can't fast charge one of those batteries to full capacity anyway. Here's the deal. When they're highly discharged, there is a maximum charging rate. Your charger has to limit current to this rate. In fact, your charger needs to be in communication with electronics in the battery pack itself to properly handle this. These scheme get complex.

But take a simple Li-ion cell. Maximum charging current it can take. But, as it charges, and the back voltage rises, the voltage necessary to keep that current going rises as well and runs into a maximum voltage limit. At that point, your charging rate must slow down.

If you don't do they above, your battery becomes a fire.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at June 22, 2022 11:29 PM (Mzdiz)

362 Posted by: FriscoYoda at June 22, 2022 11:21 PM (S7une)

I keep thinking it took decades for the US to create a reliable network of gasoline stations that basically spanned a continent yet you, as a driver, were almost never more than fifty miles from another gas station.
Should be a piece of cake to do that with batteries and charger stations!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana! ~ at June 22, 2022 11:29 PM (hOUT3)

363 Can't we go back to the good old days of throwing virgins into volcanoes?

If you tell them they can get a better cell signal at the top of the mountain they'll walk right in.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com. Not insurgents, counterrevolutionaries. at June 22, 2022 11:30 PM (Bd6X8)

364 I knew some people who were letting their dog poop on their neighbor's lawn, even though the neighbors had asked them to stop. So, they came home one night and there was a good size pile of dog poop at their front door. Their neighbors had gathered it all up and set it aside until they got enough to get the point across. They stopped letting their dog poop on neighbor's lawn and admitted that they deserved the revenge poop.
Posted by: nerdygirl at June 22, 2022 11:16 PM (+lVUW)
***

Another look at the trabochet.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 22, 2022 11:30 PM (anj39)

365 I keep thinking it took decades for the US to create a reliable network of gasoline stations that basically spanned a continent yet you, as a driver, were almost never more than fifty miles from another gas station.
Should be a piece of cake to do that with batteries and charger stations!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana! ~ at June 22, 2022 11:29 PM (hOUT3)
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Massive diesel generator, multiple charging stations and, good to go!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 22, 2022 11:31 PM (5pTK/)

366 It's not "your" battery. It is "a" battery. You lease the right to have "a" battery in your car, and you buy the energy to refill it. The leasing company owns the battery, and if it goes bad, they replace it.

Exactly. And do you think that they will get that done within a 24hr period while you are along the interstate miles from civilization with your family and the dog?

Posted by: Reuben Hick at June 22, 2022 11:31 PM (AHeqJ)

367 >>> Ummm...they've been doing battery research for over a hundred years. I wouldn't count on battery capacity becoming significantly better than it is right now anytime soon. Tesla's idea for a longer range battery is merely a LARGER battery.
Posted by: FriscoYoda at June 22, 2022 11:21 PM (S7une)

A lot of hope is being placed in that graphene(SP?) stuff that is supposed to be very efficient at holding charge at very dense proportions.

One thing I find interesting is that the more dense you have energy the more danger you have in the sudden discharge of that energy. I mean a bomb is just a very highspeed discharge of chemical energy. Batteries are becoming potential bombs ever quicker.

Posted by: banana Dream at June 22, 2022 11:31 PM (P7lUj)

368 >>It's not "your" battery. It is "a" battery. You lease the right to have "a" battery in your car, and you buy the energy to refill it. The leasing company owns the battery, and if it goes bad, they replace it.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 22, 2022 11:26 PM (1q0W7)

As the Greek plantation manager says, hands waving in frustration: "The Aztecs belong to Imperial. We lease them, we work them, we beat them, we make them make more of themselves. We ask Zod to replace them when they are close to the end of their productive time."

"But we only lease them. They belong to ZOD."

Posted by: ZOD at June 22, 2022 11:31 PM (Q/6pY)

369

Those Tesla batteries are liquid cooled. They've got a radiator and coolant (what that is, I don't know. DOn't know if it's just water and antifreeze or something more exotic and expensive).

Anyway, when you're fast charging one of 'em, that cooling system has to come on to keep that battery cool and expel all that waste heat.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at June 22, 2022 11:31 PM (Mzdiz)

370 I give Perfessor Squirrel credit for at least approaching the problem rationally, even if there's a ton of anticipated issues with the proposal. Compare to the average greenie, who doesn't have the slightest idea where electricity comes from (other the that outlet thingy in the wall).
Posted by: FriscoYoda at June 22, 2022 11:28 PM (S7une)
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For comparison, SpaceX is launching Starlink satellites at a phenomenal rate into very low earth orbit. Amazon has the most sophisticated logistical system on the planet. We just launched a space telescope (James Webb) that is orders of magnitude more powerful than the Hubble Telescope. The Large Hadron Collider is one of the most sophisticated engineering feats in the entire history of mankind.

Building an automated recharging station for EVs is an *engineering* problem, not a physics problem.

We have the technology and ability to make it happen, even if no one currently has the desire to do it or wants to devote the necessary time/resources to make it happen.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at June 22, 2022 11:32 PM (K5n5d)

371 Should be a piece of cake to do that with batteries and charger stations!

Because three phase 480V power is pretty much everywhere!

Posted by: Reuben Hick at June 22, 2022 11:32 PM (AHeqJ)

372 Exactly. And do you think that they will get that done within a 24hr period while you are along the interstate miles from civilization with your family and the dog?

the dog is for food consumption.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at June 22, 2022 11:33 PM (89T5c)

373 >>Can't we go back to the good old days of throwing virgins into volcanoes?
Posted by: nurse ratched at June 22, 2022 11:28 PM (U2p+3)

Humans can be repurposed.

Posted by: ZOD at June 22, 2022 11:33 PM (Q/6pY)

374 I keep thinking it took decades for the US to create a reliable network of gasoline stations that basically spanned a continent yet you, as a driver, were almost never more than fifty miles from another gas station.
Should be a piece of cake to do that with batteries and charger stations!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar

There are two EV charging stations/parking spots at my ever so woke hotel right up front. The parking spots have orange cones blocking them with placards explaining they are for EVs only.

No one has used them in months according to the desk clerk.

Posted by: Tonypete on the road at June 22, 2022 11:33 PM (pTyJa)

375 Keep seeing more charging stations and I would love to see them close up because I am thinking their free.

Posted by: Skip at June 22, 2022 11:34 PM (2JoB8)

376 Building an automated recharging station for EVs is an *engineering* problem, not a physics problem.

Its a physics problem. Not enough materials to build even 10% of it.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at June 22, 2022 11:34 PM (AHeqJ)

377 Avs win on a ghost goal. Should be able to bring the Cup home, 3 games to win 1.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 22, 2022 11:35 PM (8GBH4)

378 >> or $12 to recharge your EV?

Yeppers. And prolly a lot more than that in CA, and going to be inflating everywhere soon.

Now, about that charging rate. I didn't mention efficiency. Turns out that when you're fast charging your Li-ion battery, your efficiency drops to 50%. Half goes in the battery as stored chemical energy, the other half is wasted as heat.

So, now you need to double that 100 kW-hrs for how much energy you're really doing to use.

Charging efficiency is never 100%, and you have to slow charge to get there. I think maybe 70% efficiency max, but I'm not sure.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at June 22, 2022 11:25 PM (Mzdiz)

Okay, wanted a math check first. So at 50% efficiency, that $12 becomes $24 and at 70% efficiency, that $12 becomes $17.14, to charge the battery only. Wouldn't there be additional electric to run cooling devices also? Plus of course the costs to upgrade your electrical service to have your very own charging station.

Posted by: Count de Monet at June 22, 2022 11:35 PM (4I/2K)

379 Building an automated recharging station for EVs is an *engineering* problem, not a physics problem.

Money problem.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at June 22, 2022 11:35 PM (89T5c)

380 Electric cars are a thing - if you want one buy one if you don't want one don't. They are here and are for sale and will continue to be for sale.

Arguing against electric cars is like arguing against the wind.

Don't like the wind go inside.
Like the wind go outside and enjoy.
Posted by: Braenyard

The government isn't paying people to stand in the wind. The government isn't knocking windows out of people's houses to force them to stand in the wind.

Posted by: mikeski at June 22, 2022 11:36 PM (P1f+c)

381 Commissar--Yeah, easy-peezy, barely an inconvenience.
The fact that gasoline can be transported in tanker trucks, etc., makes it fairly easy to create a distribution network around the country, even in remote areas. Electricity...not so much.

Posted by: FriscoYoda at June 22, 2022 11:36 PM (S7une)

382
you, as a driver, were almost never more than fifty miles from another gas station.
Should be a piece of cake to do that with batteries and charger stations!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar

That could be done but you can't "top up" in 15 minutes.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 22, 2022 11:36 PM (63Dwl)

383 Tony Siragusa was an alumnus of David Brearley highschool. Some of my friends went there as well. Different years, but they were proud to point him out whenever he appeared on a sportscast. The guy absolutely captured the New Jersey Italian persona, and wore it well. RIP, 'Guse...

Posted by: Joe Kidd at June 22, 2022 11:37 PM (RMN7W)

384 Building an automated recharging station for EVs is an *engineering* problem, not a physics problem.

Its a physics problem. Not enough materials to build even 10% of it.
Posted by: Reuben Hick at June 22, 2022 11:34 PM (AHeqJ)
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Building one? Completely doable. Building a nationwide network? THAT'S where you run into problems with physics. Though that's due more to the lack of resources, rather than a problem with the physics itself. Given sufficient resources, this can be resolved.

We probably will need to find revolutionary ways of capturing and storing energy with more abundant, reusable materials. I have no idea if that's even possible.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at June 22, 2022 11:37 PM (K5n5d)

385 Next you'll be asking what the legal authority is for the United States government to seize the yachts of Russian oligarchs in foreign ports.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 22, 2022 10:52 PM (I2/tG)

I have been informed it is because Putin is the most evil person evar.
And I am getting very tired of being told this because I know the people parroting this are not eligible for the draft to support the war they are boostering

Posted by: Kindltot at June 22, 2022 11:37 PM (xhaym)

386 Building an automated recharging station for EVs is an *engineering* problem, not a physics problem.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel

Money problem.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory

That's what he said. The cost-no-object side is just "inventing." "Engineering" is making it work in the real world, at scale.

Posted by: mikeski at June 22, 2022 11:38 PM (P1f+c)

387 Thank you Nerdygirl, Tonypete and Bausaru (sp).

Can't believe they are arguing that their brother didn't deserve to be shot. We'd have less crime if more of them were shot...

Posted by: Iris at June 22, 2022 11:38 PM (foa6+)

388 Does anyone here expect Abbott to put in someone who even has a passing acquaintance with the US Constitution, or do we get some other GOP-e grifter who is for the long con?

Posted by: Reuben Hick at June 22, 2022 11:26 PM (AHeqJ)

First in line, Mr. Goobernator!

Posted by: Eyepatch McCain at June 22, 2022 11:39 PM (4I/2K)

389 >>They are here and are for sale and will continue to be for sale.

Buggywhips! Gitcha buggy whips!

Posted by: ZOD at June 22, 2022 11:39 PM (Q/6pY)

390 373 >>Can't we go back to the good old days of throwing virgins into volcanoes?
Posted by: nurse ratched at June 22, 2022 11:28 PM (U2p+3)

Humans can be repurposed.
Posted by: ZOD at June 22, 2022 11:33 PM (Q/6pY)

SOYLANT GREEN!

IT'S.......PEOPLE!

Posted by: Charlton Heston at June 22, 2022 11:40 PM (sy5kK)

391 Should be a piece of cake to do that with batteries and charger stations!
Because three phase 480V power is pretty much everywhere!
Posted by: Reuben Hick

Let's not get bogged down in details shall we!
/s

This feeds into the concept of project scheduling, do you build the charging stations first and wait for 480V 3-phase, or upgrade the entire electric grid first then build the stations. Note that a substation transformer (from China of course) has a lead time of six+ MONTHS the last time I checked.

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana! ~ at June 22, 2022 11:40 PM (hOUT3)

392 >> Wouldn't there be additional electric to run cooling devices also?

Yes indeed. Those Teslas have to run the cooling system being fast charged. Fan and pump.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at June 22, 2022 11:40 PM (Mzdiz)

393 Can't believe they are arguing that their brother didn't deserve to be shot. We'd have less crime if more of them were shot...

We'd have more single occupancy prison cells as well.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com. Not insurgents, counterrevolutionaries. at June 22, 2022 11:40 PM (Bd6X8)

394 Kinda like going over to Home Depot to exchange your empty propane cylinder for a new one.
Posted by: Gelasius the Third at June 22, 2022 10:44 PM (lfYWc)

You are preaching to the converted, says me. I have long advocated the same policy.

1. Range limits and recharge time no longer an issue.

2. Less taxing on the grid; recharge sites could be co-located with new generating stations, so all the energy eaten by the batteries would not have to shipped on the grid.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 22, 2022 10:49 PM (1q0W7)

Those batteries are pretty heavy. What will it cost to ship them around?

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at June 22, 2022 11:40 PM (Mzdiz)

395 Sometimes I feel like a motherless child
Sometimes I feel like a motherless child
Sometimes I feel like a motherless child
A long way from my home

And then I wander into a Mishum ONT and life is good.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * Ungovernable at June 22, 2022 11:40 PM (YwWRr)

396 Exactly. And do you think that they will get that done within a 24hr period while you are along the interstate miles from civilization with your family and the dog?
Posted by: Reuben Hick at June 22, 2022 11:31 PM (AHeqJ)

We are talking about commoditized batteries here, not special custom shit that fits only one car. Any recharge station will have dozens in stock, or even hundreds, if it's a high-volume location.

Gasoline is fully commoditized. You car will run on gas from any station, if it is the right grade. Current electric car batteries are not commoditized. They are custom-made for the exact model of car they go into. The exact opposite of a commodity.

That's why electric cars are just a vanity toy for virtue-signaling greentards. If we were really serious about making electric transportation work, we would be using commoditized batteries.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 22, 2022 11:40 PM (1q0W7)

397 Plus of course the costs to upgrade your electrical service to have your very own charging station.

How far do you want to take that? Your neighborhood could probably handle a few homes adding load to the existing distribution transformers, but there is a point where you start overheating and blowing up those neighborhood transformers. So then they upgrade those, and so do other neighborhoods attached to the substation that serves that area. More copper, more lines, bigger transformers more space for the distribution systems.

There is a reason why the utilities and local government forced the installation of "smart meters", and it wasn't just so they could get better meter readings, it was for dynamic load shedding - because the existing grid is already over utilized and there is no one who owns the grid and responsible for its future.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at June 22, 2022 11:40 PM (AHeqJ)

398 >>> We have the technology and ability to make it happen, even if no one currently has the desire to do it or wants to devote the necessary time/resources to make it happen.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at June 22, 2022 11:32 PM (K5n5d)

I think the problem may be that there are not sufficient resources available to scale up the infrastructure to the point in which it would be obviously profitable. So it will be a niche thing and get niche people and interests involved. We're just not there yet with current battery designs and the rare materials required.

But when the means and materials to facilitate that rapid scaling appear then everyone and their dog will jump on it for a piece of the action.

Things are impossible until they're not.

Posted by: banana Dream at June 22, 2022 11:41 PM (P7lUj)

399 And I am getting very tired of being told this because I know the people parroting this are not eligible for the draft to support the war they are boostering
Posted by: Kindltot

And you know damn well that none of their children or relatives will ever be subject to the draft!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana! ~ at June 22, 2022 11:41 PM (hOUT3)

400 Those batteries are pretty heavy. What will it cost to ship them around?
Posted by: Miley, the Duchess

How can this be?

Electricity weighs nothing!!

Posted by: Tonypete on the road at June 22, 2022 11:42 PM (pTyJa)

401 373 >>Can't we go back to the good old days of throwing virgins into volcanoes?
Posted by: nurse ratched at June 22, 2022 11:28 PM (U2p+3)

Humans can be repurposed.
Posted by: ZOD at June 22, 2022 11:33 PM (Q/6pY

Or could old fashioned sluts?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 22, 2022 11:43 PM (2nCKy)

402 Wouldn't there be additional electric to run cooling devices also?
Posted by: Count de Monet

There could be, depending on how much inefficiency there is. The "loss" due to inefficiency in electrical systems is almost entirely energy being turned into heat.

Pump enough current and wires will waste energy moving themselves, as well..... thus humming transformers. And pump even more and you might waste power making light.....

Posted by: mikeski at June 22, 2022 11:44 PM (P1f+c)

403 I need to throw something to the horde and, hopefully, someone much smarter than I am can enlighten me:

ICE engines: The physics of gasoline is well understood, what the chemical composition of the fuel is, the combustion cycle, the basic physics of all phases of everything involved is well known.

Electricity: From what I have read over the years, we know how, for the most part, to get electricity to behave, and, we know the underlying math needed to get electricity to to do what we want, but, the underlying physics of electricity is poorly understood, at best.

Am I wrong, way off base, sort of wrong?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 22, 2022 11:44 PM (5pTK/)

404 I think the problem may be that there are not sufficient resources available to scale up the infrastructure to the point in which it would be obviously profitable. So it will be a niche thing and get niche people and interests involved. We're just not there yet with current battery designs and the rare materials required.

But when the means and materials to facilitate that rapid scaling appear then everyone and their dog will jump on it for a piece of the action.

Posted by: banana Dream at June 22, 2022 11:41 PM (P7lUj)
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I think that's where we are at right now. We know there's not enough natural resources on planet Earth to turn this dream into reality.

But we also know that there's *plenty* of natural resources in the solar system at large if we could only figure out how to harness them for our needs.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at June 22, 2022 11:44 PM (K5n5d)

405
If you wanna really fast charge at the 50kW rate, you're gonna need three-phase, and that's what they use. How much current at 480V three-phase? That's 60A.

Telsa is also thinking about really super fast charging, at 300kW rate. That's 300A.

So, a fast charging station, say that could do 10 at 50kW is gonna need about 1000A 480Y V service. Those superchargers would need 5000A services.

At this level, your power company needs to provide you with your own mini-substation.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at June 22, 2022 11:44 PM (Mzdiz)

406 foogas --> fougasse (an explosive that deposits flaming liquid all over the enemy)

Posted by: FriscoYoda at June 22, 2022 11:44 PM (S7une)

407 There is some gallows humor in that the ONE guy in the government who has been the victim of a mass shooting is opposed to the gun restriction bill and no one gives a sh*t.

I mean...if it was me I'd be offering the FNM a "perspective on what it is like to be shot at by an angry Democrat" every day and "how we can take guns away from angry Democrats and no one else"

Posted by: 18-1 at June 22, 2022 11:44 PM (ESjRY)

408 We are talking about commoditized batteries here, not special custom shit that fits only one car. Any recharge station will have dozens in stock, or even hundreds, if it's a high-volume location.

You have a few million dollars laying around that you want tied up in inventory for hundreds of $12,000 batteries? You will have to amortize that cost to your customers. plus insurance, which I'm sure will be fun when no one wants to insure a business that could spontaneously burst into flames and spread carcinogenic clouds of smoke throughout neighborhoods for days on end.

Your appearance before the zoning commission will be entertaining.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at June 22, 2022 11:44 PM (AHeqJ)

409 You have a few million dollars laying around that you want tied up in inventory for hundreds of $12,000 batteries? You will have to amortize that cost to your customers. plus insurance, which I'm sure will be fun when no one wants to insure a business that could spontaneously burst into flames and spread carcinogenic clouds of smoke throughout neighborhoods for days on end.

Your appearance before the zoning commission will be entertaining.
Posted by: Reuben Hick at June 22, 2022 11:44 PM (AHeqJ)
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Battery farm explosion, news at 11!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 22, 2022 11:45 PM (5pTK/)

410 No, they get the dog food, and it's actually the reverse w/ the cat, she gets human food sometimes. At the price and low supply of catfood we have fed her cheap canned tuna, she loves it.
As always, many thanks for your work on the ONT.
Posted by: Farmer at June 22, 2022 11:06 PM (55Qr6)

In a pinch, try stewing meat like chicken or pork to rags with rice. Some cats like the texture, and the rice is a good bland filler for them.

The lady who used to own my house used to feed her cats on that.

Posted by: Kindltot at June 22, 2022 11:45 PM (xhaym)

411 It would be easier to just swap the whole car out. "Move your shit over, bub, I ain't got all day."

I believe this is part of their real, Not-For-Public Release Plan. Drastically reduce private vehicle ownership and use. Force people into public transportation, and if you need to take a long trip off the bus and rail grid, you rent an EV. They probably plan to have a fleet of government owned EV's that you can get for local shopping or for carpooling to work. But it will be first-come, first-served and they'll impose a high monthly fee to participate. Another thing they'll do is convince (force) people in suburbs and rural areas to get all their groceries, drugs, and the like, delivered to them from stores. So what if your ice cream is liquified when it's delivered and your bananas are crushed to a gooey blob?

Pure evil.

Posted by: Wednesday's Child at June 22, 2022 11:45 PM (AMIL/)

412 >>Or could old fashioned sluts? Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 22, 2022 11:43 PM (2nCKy)

(Flips through 'Human Targeting/Classification Viewbook)

Well...well yes, social mckemman

Posted by: ZOD at June 22, 2022 11:46 PM (Q/6pY)

413 Just build a new coal plant at each new EV charging station.

I mean we have plenty of coal, so unlike the other pipe dreams being floated this one would work...

Posted by: 18-1 at June 22, 2022 11:46 PM (ESjRY)

414
That's why electric cars are just a vanity toy for virtue-signaling greentards. If we were really serious about making electric transportation work, we would be using commoditized batteries.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 22, 2022 11:40 PM (1q0W7)

Agreed. Which is why the EV push is ultimately about restricting mobility of the population instead of providing a superior form of transportation.

Hey! I've got an idea. Why not get the f**king gubbermint out of it and let the free market decide.

Yeah, I know.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 22, 2022 11:46 PM (sy5kK)

415 I always liked Siragusa too, one of the good guys.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 22, 2022 11:46 PM (8GBH4)

416 I'd say the underlying physics of electricity is VERY WELL understood.

Posted by: FriscoYoda at June 22, 2022 11:46 PM (S7une)

417 I am so glad I have missed watching Kenobi because they have basically raped everything in the background for Episode IV A New Hope.

One of the key things is Owen and Beru kept Luke's parentage a secret. But apparently this pile of bantha podo makes a child Luke run for his life from the Empire.

Everyone connected to this needs to be tossed into the Saarlac Pit.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 22, 2022 11:46 PM (QbSDi)

418 News Feed headline a few days back said Texas is planning on building charging stations on its interstates at 50-mile intervals.

*looks at Texas road map*

Golly!!

Posted by: Count de Monet at June 22, 2022 11:46 PM (4I/2K)

419 >> but, the underlying physics of electricity is poorly understood, at best.

Underlying physics of EM theory is very, very well understood. Classically, and quantum. Oh, at the edges in very picture stuff there are some questions. Unified field theory might answer those.

Now, it's the why that we can't tell. The physics tells how and what, but not why. And it never will. That is not physics. That is metaphysics and religion subject.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at June 22, 2022 11:46 PM (Mzdiz)

420 We need the Tommyknockers to help us solve this electric car battery issue.

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at June 22, 2022 11:47 PM (Mzdiz)

421
Now, it's the why that we can't tell. The physics tells how and what, but not why. And it never will. That is not physics. That is metaphysics and religion subject.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at June 22, 2022 11:46 PM (Mzdiz)
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And the horde delivers. Thanks, sir!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 22, 2022 11:48 PM (5pTK/)

422 News Feed headline a few days back said Texas is planning on building charging stations on its interstates at 50-mile intervals.

Texas is 660 miles wide and 790 miles long.

Posted by: 18-1 at June 22, 2022 11:48 PM (ESjRY)

423 Those batteries are pretty heavy. What will it cost to ship them around?
Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at June 22, 2022 11:40 PM (Mzdiz)

Probably more than to ship gasoline around. But in many cases you wouldn't have to ship them every recharge cycle. Say the Road King truck stop on I-95 becomes a recharge center. They build a generating station, probably natural gas, dedicated to recharging the batteries. They stock several thousand batteries, some which are on slow charge (more efficient), and those that are fully charged just stored, and monitored (unacceptable voltage drop? shitcan it). Customers bring in depleted batteries, get fresh ones, and the depleted ones go on charge. Only shipping is to bring in new stock to replace aged-out or faulty batteries.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 22, 2022 11:48 PM (1q0W7)

424
recharge sites could be co-located with new generating stations

But we are shutting down generating stations.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 22, 2022 11:49 PM (63Dwl)

425 So, a fast charging station, say that could do 10 at 50kW is gonna need about 1000A 480Y V service. Those superchargers would need 5000A services.

At this level, your power company needs to provide you with your own mini-substation.

Sure. demand is going to be consistent 24/7. HAH!

The massive pulses in energy usage will wreak havoc on the grid operators as they have to balance that fucked up renewables which are weather reliant and have no means to maintain 60Hz without the thermals to tame them.

You will need to free-spin a single cycle gas turbine and that ain't cheap.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at June 22, 2022 11:49 PM (AHeqJ)

426 So check this out. New Taylor Lorenz connection. Her uncle runs the television side of the internet "way back machine." And because of that she doesn't get any of her tweets archived there. Allowing her to lie

https://youtu.be/Xps96PvB3B8

Posted by: Buzzion at June 22, 2022 11:49 PM (VNd5L)

427 But apparently this pile of bantha podo makes a child Luke run for his life from the Empire.

Which would probably make him want to avoid the academy when he's old enough to go.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com. Not insurgents, counterrevolutionaries. at June 22, 2022 11:50 PM (Bd6X8)

428 Am I wrong, way off base, sort of wrong?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 22, 2022 11:44 PM (5pTK/)

I am a lot like you. The issue is storage of said electricity

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 22, 2022 11:50 PM (2nCKy)

429 I had a sister that broke water in her citation and then the car set in the hospital parking lot in the summer for a few days. Never really got that cleaned 100%.
Posted by: banana Dream at June 22, 2022 11:14 PM (P7lUj)

I left a bag of fish bone meal fertilizer in the passenger foot well of my pickup for a couple of days this summer, and for a couple of months after the truck smelled like something horrible happened and the authorities were still finding parts.

Posted by: Kindltot at June 22, 2022 11:52 PM (xhaym)

430 Say the Road King truck stop on I-95 becomes a recharge center.

And do this every 50-100 miles along all interstates. Or whatever the 60% range is for your standardized batteries during cold winters when the occupants of the EV would like to not get frost bite.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at June 22, 2022 11:52 PM (AHeqJ)

431 I am so glad I have missed watching Kenobi because they have basically raped everything in the background for Episode IV A New Hope.

One of the key things is Owen and Beru kept Luke's parentage a secret. But apparently this pile of bantha podo makes a child Luke run for his life from the Empire.

Everyone connected to this needs to be tossed into the Saarlac Pit.
Posted by: Anna Puma

In comics, there was the idea of "retroactive continuity." When the current story conflicts with something previously written, it's because you didn't know something about that story back then. Stan Lee would give out a "No Prize" to readers who could create such continuity.

Then the term got verbed, and shortened to "retcon."

I suggest we refer to changes like this as "rotcon."

Posted by: mikeski at June 22, 2022 11:52 PM (P1f+c)

432 AOP -- I agree with you. A first step towards a BEV future would be commoditized batteries, if they were serious.

Posted by: FriscoYoda at June 22, 2022 11:52 PM (S7une)

433 How far do you want to take that? Your neighborhood could probably handle a few homes adding load to the existing distribution transformers, but there is a point where you start overheating and blowing up those neighborhood transformers. So then they upgrade those, and so do other neighborhoods attached to the substation that serves that area. More copper, more lines, bigger transformers more space for the distribution systems.

There is a reason why the utilities and local government forced the installation of "smart meters", and it wasn't just so they could get better meter readings, it was for dynamic load shedding - because the existing grid is already over utilized and there is no one who owns the grid and responsible for its future.
Posted by: Reuben Hick at June 22, 2022 11:40 PM (AHeqJ)

Maybe the electric utility could auction off licenses for home charging stations, sorta like NFL stadiums and the Personal Seat License fee to have the ability to get season tickets.

Posted by: Count de Monet at June 22, 2022 11:52 PM (4I/2K)

434 I remember seeing a building at Pearl Harbor full of submarine batteries being charged. 1971

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 22, 2022 11:53 PM (63Dwl)

435
NURSE IMPERIAL.
Posted by: ZOD

Is that Zod speak for wench? Asking for my translator because apparently Babblefish doesn't recognize it.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * Ungovernable at June 22, 2022 11:53 PM (YwWRr)

436 Probably more than to ship gasoline around.

Since I am not aware of any pipe for moving batteries

Posted by: Reuben Hick at June 22, 2022 11:54 PM (AHeqJ)

437 You know what would make for a great Luke youth story?

He grows up knowing the empire is evil and destroying his society. But his teachers tell him and his friends that there was nothing great about the old Republic and anyone that want to Make the Republic Great Again is a racist. I mean...don't you know the old Republic had...slavery?

So he has to hide his views and pretend to love the Empire...and watch his friends slowly start to ape what his teachers say...until at graduation a bunch of his friends are ready to go join the Imperial Academy to go fight those racist hillbilly rebels.

Posted by: 18-1 at June 22, 2022 11:54 PM (ESjRY)

438 The commercial fast-DC-charging facilities already have their own high-voltage 3-phase feeds, transformers, etc., by necessity. The power load is enormous.

Posted by: FriscoYoda at June 22, 2022 11:54 PM (S7une)

439 RotCon?

That works well for so many classic and beloved series that have been destroyed to push a message.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 22, 2022 11:55 PM (QbSDi)

440 And do this every 50-100 miles along all interstates. Or whatever the 60% range is for your standardized batteries during cold winters when the occupants of the EV would like to not get frost bite.
Posted by: Reuben Hick at June 22, 2022 11:52 PM (AHeqJ)

Yep, just like gas stations. Note that I said "if we were serious about making transport electric". That's what we'd have to do, go with commoditized batteries. But we are not serious, so that is why we have boutique electric cars with expensive boutique batteries.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 22, 2022 11:55 PM (1q0W7)

441 Since I am not aware of any pipe for moving batteries

Yeah those old time message tubes, don't think they could be scaled up....

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 22, 2022 11:57 PM (QbSDi)

442 Just build a new coal plant at each new EV charging station.

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Eliminate the middleman. Just build a car that burns coal directly.

The alternative fuel versions could burn Ana Navarro in a pinch.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at June 22, 2022 11:57 PM (XG2Fi)

443 129 What accounts for this bizarre fetish for electric vehicles in the first place? They're terrible for the environment.

Two possible explanations, maybe is both. One: Big Tech owns electric stuff, and wishes to take primacy from Big Oil which owns mechanical stuff. Can't win by building a better mousetrap, so bought government to get it mandated. Or\and personal transportation promotes freedom, they fully realize an all electric transportation system can't possibly work so it's a backdoor way to put the peons on foot.

Posted by: azjaeger at June 22, 2022 11:57 PM (3/XaG)

444 Say, this EV charging station thing looks like a ground floor opportunity!

Posted by: Charles Ponzi at June 22, 2022 11:58 PM (4I/2K)

445 Ana Navarro in a pinch.

What was that cartoon with Elmer Fudd and an elephant slapping him?

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 22, 2022 11:59 PM (QbSDi)

446 Eliminate the middleman. Just build a car that burns coal directly.

Well...that might work for a long haul freight truck...would be amusing to see the fuel repository on a compact. I guess...double decker cars?

Posted by: 18-1 at June 22, 2022 11:59 PM (ESjRY)

447
If you really want to laugh, Tesla has some experimental "electric semi". That is a tractor trailer. One of our resident enthusiasts was touting that.

That thing will need a 500 kW-hr battery pack. I know you're laughing. But they have plans to super fast charge that. Wait, wait, for the real punch line.

They're gonna power those super fast 1MW charging stations with, wait for it ... solar panels.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at June 22, 2022 11:59 PM (Mzdiz)

448 . . . Why does an engineered coup only have two doors?

Posted by: Kindltot at June 22, 2022 11:59 PM (xhaym)

449 Since I am not aware of any pipe for moving batteries
Posted by: Reuben Hick at June 22, 2022 11:54 PM (AHeqJ)

There aren't too many pipelines for refined product, either. Most service stations and truck stops get the stock delivered by tanker truck.

Some major airports have pipelines to bring in aviation fuel.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 22, 2022 11:59 PM (1q0W7)

450 444 Say, this EV charging station thing looks like a ground floor opportunity!
Posted by: Charles Ponzi at June 22, 2022 11:58 PM (4I/2K)

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I saw it first!

Posted by: Stanley Pons at June 22, 2022 11:59 PM (XG2Fi)

451 Since I am not aware of any pipe for moving batteries

Yeah those old time message tubes, don't think they could be scaled up....
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 22, 2022 11:57 PM (QbSDi)

The suction required to move the batteries would have to be on the order of a Kamala.

Posted by: Count de Monet at June 22, 2022 11:59 PM (4I/2K)

452 Can't we go back to the good old days of throwing virgins into volcanoes?
Posted by: nurse ratched at June 22, 2022 11:28 PM (U2p+3)

Like in all high competition markets, demand exceeds supply.

Posted by: Kindltot at June 23, 2022 12:00 AM (xhaym)

453 343 In highschool we kind of made an electric chair. There was this plugin handheld doohickey that would generate sparks over a distance. Very high-frequency low voltage. I forget what it was for, I vaguely remember something about it being used for checking voids in pressure vessels.

Posted by: banana Dream at June 22, 2022 11:25 PM (P7lUj)
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Probably the tool used to check vacuum lines.

Posted by: Ciampino enjoys symphonic metal at June 23, 2022 12:00 AM (qfLjt)

454 They're gonna power those super fast 1MW charging stations with, wait for it ... solar panels.

Presuming you have a lot fewer trucks supplying a lot fewer people...who died making those solar panels via slave labor...it works for a while doesn't it?

Posted by: 18-1 at June 23, 2022 12:00 AM (ESjRY)

455 Oh gee the stupid bint who Netflix cast to play Faye Valentine and then insulted the fan-base, she wishes for a Faye spin off series.

Yeah, no. Not going to happen with you.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 23, 2022 12:01 AM (QbSDi)

456 >>>If they went electric vehicles on the battlefield, a single EMP would end things quickly.

>What's that? They can't even provide ground troops for their armored columns. Fuel dumps? What does Rommel have to say about that?

Posted by: Dr. Bone at June 23, 2022 12:01 AM (0ocXn)

457 The suction required to move the batteries would have to be on the order of a Kamala.

1 Kamala of force or 10?

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 23, 2022 12:02 AM (QbSDi)

458 The suction required to move the batteries would have to be on the order of a Kamala.
Posted by: Count de Monet at June 22, 2022 11:59 PM (4I/2K)

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Nobody really needs to suck a golf ball through a garden hose.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at June 23, 2022 12:02 AM (XG2Fi)

459 In comics, there was the idea of "retroactive continuity." When the current story conflicts with something previously written, it's because you didn't know something about that story back then. Stan Lee would give out a "No Prize" to readers who could create such continuity.

Then the term got verbed, and shortened to "retcon."

I suggest we refer to changes like this as "rotcon."
Posted by: mikeski at June 22, 2022 11:52 PM (P1f+c)

Highlander 2 never existed...

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 23, 2022 12:02 AM (oHd/0)

460 Highlander: The Sickening never happened. Like Star Trek V.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 23, 2022 12:03 AM (QbSDi)

461 Eliminate the middleman. Just build a car that burns coal directly.

The alternative fuel versions could burn Ana Navarro in a pinch.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at June 22, 2022 11:57 PM (XG2Fi)

You can build a coal gasifier, and turn coal into fuel gas, with coke as a residue. Burn the fuel gas in a mostly standard combustion engine. Plans for such gasifiers are readily found on the 'net.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 23, 2022 12:03 AM (1q0W7)

462 You can build a coal gasifier, and turn coal into fuel gas

Late World War II German technology.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 23, 2022 12:04 AM (QbSDi)

463 You can build a coal gasifier, and turn coal into fuel gas, with coke as a residue. Burn the fuel gas in a mostly standard combustion engine. Plans for such gasifiers are readily found on the 'net.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 23, 2022 12:03 AM (1q0W7)

Shut up and take my money!

Posted by: Hunter Biden at June 23, 2022 12:05 AM (4I/2K)

464 Well...that might work for a long haul freight truck...would be amusing to see the fuel repository on a compact. I guess...double decker cars?
Posted by: 18-1 at June 22, 2022 11:59 PM (ESjRY)

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Fireman would be the career of tomorrow. Every car would need a guy with a shovel..

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at June 23, 2022 12:05 AM (XG2Fi)

465 Fireman would be the career of tomorrow. Every car would need a guy with a shovel..

Shovel ready job! Don't forget the baking soda...

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 23, 2022 12:06 AM (QbSDi)

466
1856 horse powered thresher in operation:

https://tinyurl.com/2zhnrrvf

Note the two horses were on a treadmill contraption.

This give me an idea. How many purple-haired wokesters and greenies would it take to turn a generator to keep my house going in the Burning Times coming?

That should be their fate.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at June 23, 2022 12:06 AM (Mzdiz)

467 The unidentified man went into Carter’s Country guns and ammunition store in southwest Houston around 3 p.m. with what police described as a “bladed object” and began stealing from the cash register, authorities said. A store employee confronted him and shot at him twice, police said.

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This must have looked exactly like the scene in Raiders of the Lost Ark where Indiana Jones caps the guy swinging the giant sword.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at June 23, 2022 12:07 AM (XG2Fi)

468 Late World War II German technology.
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 23, 2022 12:04 AM (QbSDi)

That was the tech for making gasoline from coal. Making fuel gas from coal is 19th-Century tech. Called "producer gas" or coal gas. That powered the Gaslight Era, and was still going strong into the 1940's.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 23, 2022 12:07 AM (1q0W7)

469 Dibs on AoP for the survival lifeboat! Playing the role of the Professor...

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 23, 2022 12:08 AM (QbSDi)

470 469 Dibs on AoP for the survival lifeboat! Playing the role of the Professor...
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 23, 2022 12:08 AM (QbSDi)

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I am convinced AOP could build a photocopier out of coconut shells and palm fronds.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at June 23, 2022 12:10 AM (XG2Fi)

471 464 Fireman would be the career of tomorrow. Every car would need a guy with a shovel..

that's not how it works. that's not how *any* of this works.

Posted by: montag at June 23, 2022 12:11 AM (edU/H)

472 This give me an idea. How many purple-haired wokesters and greenies would it take to turn a generator to keep my house going in the Burning Times coming?

That should be their fate.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion

My back-of-the-envelope number for that is one human is 1/10th of a horsepower, or about 75 watts.

Humans fed a vegan/soy diet are probably lower, though.

Posted by: mikeski at June 23, 2022 12:11 AM (P1f+c)

473 Late World War II German technology.
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 23, 2022 12:04 AM (QbSDi)
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According to Denninger, it's economically viable, provided the waste heat from a thorium cycle reactor is used to process the coal.

Grain of salt and all that.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 23, 2022 12:12 AM (5pTK/)

474

GM actually played around with fine coal dust powered turbine engine. Put it an Olds.

https://tinyurl.com/2nowv6oz

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at June 23, 2022 12:13 AM (Mzdiz)

475 I think I have those commercial oyster mushrooms colonizing my compost heap.
I dried a bunch of mushrooms from the store and brushed the left over crumbs into my sink strainer and dug that into the heap.
Now I have these odd white mushrooms popping up.

I surely am not going to eat them, but I may start experimenting with the concept.

Posted by: Kindltot at June 23, 2022 12:14 AM (xhaym)

476 >> I am convinced AOP could build a photocopier out of coconut shells and palm fronds.

But can he fix a boat?

Posted by: Thurston Howell, III at June 23, 2022 12:14 AM (Mzdiz)

477 Eliminate the middleman. Just build a car that burns coal directly.

The alternative fuel versions could burn Ana Navarro in a pinch.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at June 22, 2022 11:57 PM (XG2Fi)

Just burning her coal black eyes might get you 200 miles....which is 100 miles per eye.

Posted by: Admiral Spinebender at June 23, 2022 12:15 AM (duT0u)

478 My back-of-the-envelope number for that is one human is 1/10th of a horsepower, or about 75 watts.

Humans fed a vegan/soy diet are probably lower, though.
Posted by: mikeski at June 23, 2022 12:11 AM (P1f+c)

Years ago, at the Pacific National Exhibition, an annual fair held in Vancouver, BC, a popular exhibit at the BC Electric Building was a hand-cranked generator connected to a hundred-watt light bulb. You could spin it up, and get that bulb lit pretty bright, but it was hard work, and most people could only maintain that rate for a quarter minute or so.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 23, 2022 12:15 AM (1q0W7)

479 That was the tech for making gasoline from coal. Making fuel gas from coal is 19th-Century tech. Called "producer gas" or coal gas. That powered the Gaslight Era, and was still going strong into the 1940's.

At the old house I rented in Portland, my landlords converted from oil heat to gas heat (driven largely by insurance considerations). The gas guy came out, and I asked if he would have to build a gas line to the house. He said no - my 1905 house had a line to the street to carry coal gas (as did every house built during that era) - the gas company just needed to put a PVC sleeve into the old pipe to stop leaks, and then attach the old pipe to the main gas line in the street.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 23, 2022 12:16 AM (I2/tG)

480 I am convinced that anyone who buys an electric car will eventually regret their decision.

Posted by: Theodore at June 23, 2022 12:17 AM (GJnvT)

481 But can he fix a boat?
Posted by: Thurston Howell, III at June 23, 2022 12:14 AM (Mzdiz)

If Ginger and MaryAnn are on the island, too, why fix the boat?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 23, 2022 12:18 AM (1q0W7)

482 480 I am convinced that anyone who buys an electric car will eventually regret their decision.
Posted by: Theodore at June 23, 2022 12:17 AM (GJnvT)

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As an owner, you do have the satisfaction of knowing that your purchase gave dirty, dangerous work to hundreds of hungry African tykes.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at June 23, 2022 12:19 AM (XG2Fi)

483 After a hundred years, we have powerful cars that get 30 MPG and are so clean people can't suicide in their garage any more, two years ago were producing enough oil for domestic needs AND export, and the cars were lasting more than 200k. Drop the ever increasing government mandates and the prices would even go down. Easy to get fuel quickly in the vast majority of the country. So our "elites" decide we NEED to immediately switch to something that just won't work for no good reason and use everything at their command to try to force it. Question: why are these "elites" still the "elites"?

Posted by: azjaeger at June 23, 2022 12:20 AM (3/XaG)

484 Drove this morning to a local shopping center I haven't been to in a while. They had set up a dozen white and red EV charging stations with TESLA emblazoned on them, all in a row. None were in use. I may drive past there whenever I'm out and about to count the number of cars charging.

They placed the charging stations in the exact spot they used to plow all the huge mounds of snow during winter storms, the kind that linger and don't fully melt away until mid-April. I wonder where all that snow is going to go from now on.

Posted by: JuJuBee at June 23, 2022 12:21 AM (GnGs1)

485 Question: why are these "elites" still the "elites"?

Posted by: azjaeger at June 23, 2022 12:20 AM (3/XaG)

'Cause we ain't played cowboys and elites yet.

Posted by: Cowboy at June 23, 2022 12:21 AM (7bRMQ)

486 How many li ion batteries go into landfill in US every year?
Millions. They are a toxic waste to manufacture and a toxic waste to dispose of properly. For the most part they are not recycled because it is too expensive.

Posted by: EdmundBurkesShade at June 23, 2022 12:22 AM (mCh4j)

487 'Cause we ain't played cowboys and elites yet.
Posted by: Cowboy at June 23, 2022 12:21 AM (7bRMQ)
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Newsletter?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 23, 2022 12:23 AM (5pTK/)

488 Late nighters, can we finally agree that XXXUUU sucks and the alternative xownrwe is no better?

Posted by: Pete Bog at June 23, 2022 12:24 AM (Jzz++)

489 80 The Conservative Momma vid would have been funnier if it ended with the camera zooming out to show her, in her electric car, on the deck of a roll-back wrecker.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 22, 2022 10:20 PM (1q0W7)

You forgot to include, "on fire".

Posted by: Fox2! at June 23, 2022 12:24 AM (qyH+l)

490 Time to wander. Later!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 23, 2022 12:24 AM (5pTK/)

491 'Cause we ain't played cowboys and elites yet.
Posted by: Cowboy at June 23, 2022 12:21 AM (7bRMQ)

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Seriously, how fast do you think Klaus Schwab could really run if his life depended on it?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at June 23, 2022 12:25 AM (XG2Fi)

492 'Cause we ain't played cowboys and elites yet.
Posted by: Cowboy at June 23, 2022 12:21 AM (7bRMQ)

Yeah buddy. It's comin' Yee Ha.

Posted by: Admiral Spinebender at June 23, 2022 12:25 AM (duT0u)

493 >>> He said no - my 1905 house had a line to the street to carry coal gas (as did every house built during that era) - the gas company just needed to put a PVC sleeve into the old pipe to stop leaks, and then attach the old pipe to the main gas line in the street.

>Awesome. And I bet that knob and tube wiring system is still the best critter killer in town. Just be mindful of the flammability of your insulation.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at June 23, 2022 12:25 AM (0ocXn)

494 Seriously, how fast do you think Klaus Schwab could really run if his life depended on it?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at June 23, 2022 12:25 AM (XG2Fi)

My Winchester '73 can go about 1200 fps. I don't think he's that fast....

Posted by: Cowboy at June 23, 2022 12:27 AM (7bRMQ)

495 School/classroom began with a prayer and the pledge.
Learning what we are begins at an early age and sticks.
Posted by: Braenyard, and the teacher is teaching the golden rule

In high school, we added a prayer for the canonization of the Holy Founder, who was then counted among the Blessed. Must have worked, because he has been elevated to the honors of the Altar.

Posted by: Fox2! at June 23, 2022 12:28 AM (qyH+l)

496 Oyasumi

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 23, 2022 12:30 AM (QbSDi)

497 When they make an electric car that reliably has the same range as a conventional internal combustion car, and can be recharged from zero to 100% in the same amount of time that it takes to put 16 gallons of gas in the tank, then we'll talk. Maybe.
Posted by: Gelasius the Third at June 22, 2022 10:24 PM (lfYWc)

Don't forget, "without adversely affecting the lifetime or effectiveness of the battery." Supercharging too often adversely affects battery life.

Posted by: Fox2! at June 23, 2022 12:31 AM (qyH+l)

498 Aren't cadmium and antimony (rare minerals) required to produce lithium batteries? I am too lazy to look it up and there are always smart morons lurking. Seems like this suggests an identifiable extinction horizon for lithium battery technology.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * Ungovernable at June 23, 2022 12:31 AM (YwWRr)

499 That was the tech for making gasoline from coal. Making fuel gas from coal is 19th-Century tech. Called "producer gas" or coal gas. That powered the Gaslight Era, and was still going strong into the 1940's. Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 23, 2022 12:07 AM (1q0W7)

They're the same technology, just an additional step. The 3C + 2H2O goes first to 2CO + CH4, then from there the fuel gas is alkylated into longer hydrocarbon chains to make a liquid fuel.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at June 23, 2022 12:33 AM (7B5FA)

500 Aren't cadmium and antimony (rare minerals) required to produce lithium batteries? I am too lazy to look it up and there are always smart morons lurking. Seems like this suggests an identifiable extinction horizon for lithium battery technology.
Posted by: Sock Monkey * Ungovernable at June 23, 2022 12:31 AM (YwWRr)

Cadmium and antimony are not particularly rare or expensive. Not used in lithium batteries as far as I know. Cobalt is, though, and it is pretty costly. And toxic. but so are cadmium and antimony.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 23, 2022 12:36 AM (1q0W7)

501 Aren't cadmium and antimony (rare minerals) required to produce lithium batteries? I am too lazy to look it up and there are always smart morons lurking. Seems like this suggests an identifiable extinction horizon for lithium battery technology. Posted by: Sock Monkey * Ungovernable at June 23, 2022 12:31 AM (YwWRr)

There are a lot of different battery chemistries, depending on factors like how much instantaneous power you want, how long you want the battery to last before recharge, how much heat you can tolerate, how much it weighs, etc. For example, the battery in your cell phone is designed to not give very much power at all, but to last a long time, while the battery on a cordless drill is designed to give a lot of power, but not last very long until recharge.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at June 23, 2022 12:36 AM (7B5FA)

502
The damn is breaking. Bombshell paper out, which Robert Malone just posted about here:

https://tinyurl.com/2j9tqhyp

Steve Kirsch as well. Basically, a group of serious people did a proper and complete analysis of Pfizer and Modern Phase 3 trial data. You know, this would be the type of analyis the FDA should've done.

They didn't lie or pfudge the data like Pfizer and Moderna did. Lead author of this paper was the senior editor of the BMJ, Peter Doshi.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at June 23, 2022 12:37 AM (Mzdiz)

503 Will there be vintage electric cars?

Posted by: NCKate at June 23, 2022 12:37 AM (2oJif)

504 129 What accounts for this bizarre fetish for electric vehicles in the first place? They're terrible for the environment.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at June 22, 2022 10:29 PM (Txkoe)

Most of the environmental damage takes place in a land, and affecting a people. we know not of. Smoke belching out of a tailpipe, or an oil burner, are of immediate visual and olfactory impacts.

Posted by: Fox2! at June 23, 2022 12:37 AM (qyH+l)

505 Cadmium can be found in cacao. Yeah, chocolate has heavy metals in it. The cacao plant is good at absorbing stuff from the soil and there's lots of cadmium where it traditionally grows. As for antimony, don't get married, don't get divorced, no antimony.

Posted by: SFGoth at June 23, 2022 12:38 AM (KAi1n)

506 Were the German synthetic fuel plants the coal gasification process described above?

The great thing about that program is not so much the technical aspects, but what a near-perfect example it is of public vs. private goods. Even the odious Nazi connection can be set aside (it was the first priority national economic project of the Nazi regime, along with steel production).

Posted by: rhomboid at June 23, 2022 12:38 AM (OTzUX)

507
If Ginger and MaryAnn are on the island, too, why fix the boat?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

To get rid of Gilligan the skipper the professor and Mr. Howell. Keep Mrs. Howell around to do the laundry and make sammichs.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * Ungovernable at June 23, 2022 12:39 AM (YwWRr)

508 Cosmic intersection. A day or two ago CBD offered up a shoelaces 'First World' problem. I commented on how difficult it is to replace the leather laces used for Top Siders.

Today, already almost late leaving for a meeting, I'm knotting up my Top Siders, and, 'pop'. Dammit!

It's as though they were reading my acerbic comments the other day.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 23, 2022 12:39 AM (S4oWs)

509
What did Doshi, et al find?

"Combined, the mRNA vaccines were associated with an absolute risk increase of serious adverse events of special interest of 12.5 per 10,000 (95% CI 2.1 to 22.9).

The excess risk of serious adverse events of special interest surpassed the risk reduction for COVID-19 hospitalization relative to the placebo group in both Pfizer and Moderna trials (2.3 and 6.4 per 10,000 participants, respectively)."

The risk to benefit is upside down by a long shot. This is a proper, honest analysis of Pfizer and Moderna's own damned trial data.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at June 23, 2022 12:39 AM (Mzdiz)

510 Cadmium and antimony are not particularly rare or expensive. Not used in lithium batteries as far as I know. Cobalt is, though, and it is pretty costly. And toxic. but so are cadmium and antimony. Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 23, 2022 12:36 AM (1q0W7)

You know what? Rare earths, despite the name, are not really all that rare. It's just that the cheapest place to get a lot of them is from alluvial clay deposits in Vietnam and China. We have plenty in North America if the prices were higher. And at a given price, there's a lot of cobalt out there, to include on the ocean floor.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at June 23, 2022 12:39 AM (7B5FA)

511 They're the same technology, just an additional step. The 3C + 2H2O goes first to 2CO + CH4, then from there the fuel gas is alkylated into longer hydrocarbon chains to make a liquid fuel.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at June 23, 2022 12:33 AM (7B5FA)

Yes. SASOL in South Africa has been making fuel that way since the apartheid era. They had to.

If current gasoline prices in North America reflected actual scarcity, and not political ass-fuckery, such plants would be under construction here.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 23, 2022 12:39 AM (1q0W7)

512 publius, did you see cause of death finally released for the rah rah Covid vaccine Dr from louisville? 36 years old, obese, she died from natural causes: heart disease and lung ailment.

Posted by: NCKate at June 23, 2022 12:40 AM (2oJif)

513 Were the German synthetic fuel plants the coal gasification process described above?

Yes.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at June 23, 2022 12:40 AM (7B5FA)

514 Will there be vintage electric cars?
Posted by: NCKate
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Baker, I think. AOP would likely know.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 23, 2022 12:41 AM (S4oWs)

515 Good Night, Horde!

Posted by: Theodore at June 23, 2022 12:42 AM (GJnvT)

516
Rare earths, despite the name, are not really all that rare.

Noble gasses aren't all that noble.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 23, 2022 12:42 AM (63Dwl)

517 If current gasoline prices in North America reflected actual scarcity, and not political ass-fuckery, such plants would be under construction here. Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 23, 2022 12:39 AM (1q0W7)

Possibly. It's easier to go from natural gas to gasoline than it is to gasify the coal to create the methane, then go to gasoline. (Actually, the fuel you get is closer to a synthetic diesel, but it can be blended.)

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at June 23, 2022 12:42 AM (7B5FA)

518 >>> Posted by: Anna Puma at June 22, 2022 11:46 PM (QbSDi)

I stand by what I said about Obi-Wan Kenobi before. It's not terrible, but it's not great either. Baby Leia is adorable, Ewan McGregor does a great job bringing the character to life. I enjoyed seeing Owen and Beru in their element, wouldn't have minded seeing more of them. Vader telling Obi-Wan point blank, "You didn't kill Anakin, *I* did," helps resolve the problem with Obi-Wan telling Luke that Vader killed his father in ANH before that was retconned in ESB. A nice touch.

OTOH, Moses Ingram is barely passable as an actress, and not at all compelling as a villain. But at least she wasn't chewing scenery like the other inquisitors, who were cartoonish and silly, not menacing. Hayden Christensen's acting hasn't significantly improved either. Obi-Wan's duel vs Vader is just a rehash of RotS with nothing to add, and the show's pacing is monotonous. Nothing feels truly consequential.

It's not sequel trilogy bad but it's not Mandalorian great either.

Posted by: Caiwyn at June 23, 2022 12:42 AM (+dHQK)

519 Cadmium Schwepps makes some good chocolate eats.

Posted by: Count de Monet at June 23, 2022 12:43 AM (4I/2K)

520 Question: why are these "elites" still the "elites"?

Posted by: azjaeger at June 23, 2022 12:20 AM (3/XaG)

Because they haven't become the rows of the impaled yet.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at June 23, 2022 12:44 AM (VwHCD)

521 CDC- We are ensuring the covid vaccine is safe and effective through a robust data mining and prr statistical analysis. The best vaccine safety program in the history of the world!!!!

Can we see the results of your data mining and prr?

CDC- We have not been doing data mining or prr. Ask the FDA.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 23, 2022 12:44 AM (t3/qz)

522 Baker, I think. AOP would likely know.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 23, 2022 12:41 AM (S4oWs)

Studebaker made electrics for a while. A Studebaker electric carriage ran for many years in one of the tunnels in DC, i think between the Senate and the Senate Office Building.

I know folks in Bellingham who restored a Studebaker electric wagon. Have seen it running, too.

Several other makers made electric cars. There was a Detroit Electric, too.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 23, 2022 12:46 AM (1q0W7)

523 Because they haven't become the rows of the impaled yet. Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at June 23, 2022 12:44 AM (VwHCD)

You probably just have to make examples out of some fraction of them and that takes care of the problem.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at June 23, 2022 12:46 AM (7B5FA)

524 I could sense that there were smart(er) morons here. Hillbilly sixth sense.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * Ungovernable at June 23, 2022 12:47 AM (YwWRr)

525 Leaving the adverse event topic aside completely for the moment, are there any credible analyses of C19 "vaccine" *efficacy* yet?

After I'd given up on the whole thing, and basically the society, at least in this respect, couldn't help but notice things like a majority of Ontario and Scottish ICU/mortality cases being "fully vaccinated" (at least at one point).

Related, has the claim that the shots reduce severity of cases (which implicitly admits they're non-sterilizing) been based on any credible stats? I've always wondered how they even set up the control group for that, given an evolving virus and the scads of confounding factors involved with most individuals.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 23, 2022 12:47 AM (OTzUX)

526 Will there be vintage electric cars?
Posted by: NCKate
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Pic of a Baker:

https://tinyurl.com/4ufstaw2

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 23, 2022 12:47 AM (Gm00d)

527 I like the cadmium fruit and nut bar. Dairy milk is OK too.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at June 23, 2022 12:48 AM (7B5FA)

528 >> any credible analyses of C19 "vaccine" *efficacy* yet?

Any real efficacy is very low, and rapidly declines to less than zero. Meaning, it makes you more likely to get infected that not.

Pfizer's kiddie trials, under honest analysis, show an efficacy of only 20%, with a confidence interval that goes into negative territory.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at June 23, 2022 12:49 AM (Mzdiz)

529 Cadmium Peeps. Candy chicks just don't get any better.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 23, 2022 12:50 AM (Gm00d)

530
If you want to read back through the Substackers on this efficacy question (Berenson, Bad Cat, Matthew Crawford, etc, etc) you'll see that the claimed efficacy was all stastical manipulation. "Bayesian data crime" as the Bad Cat dubbed it.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at June 23, 2022 12:51 AM (Mzdiz)

531 There was some data with the kids vaccine that they were MORE likely to get covid after the vaccine. Is this true? I don't know. Might also point to a shitty data set. But they still used it to "approve" the vax in kids.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 23, 2022 12:51 AM (t3/qz)

532 Dateline 2065- Hey, I need a battery for my vintage Tesla model S

Parts guy- LOL.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 23, 2022 12:54 AM (t3/qz)

533 See Berenson on the Pfizer kiddie vax trial, here:

https://tinyurl.com/2cse6dyk

Note the confidence intervals. And note how they get their 80% figure. They're using a 3 dose regimen, and they only counted those after 3 shots in that 80% calculation. That includes only 3% of infections occuring during the whole trial.

It's a joke. A crime actually.

Also, not right there, the negative efficacy observed between dose 1 and 2. They're publishing that, now.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at June 23, 2022 12:55 AM (Mzdiz)

534 Thanks Caesar.

The public good vs. private good issue there of course was that autarky in petroleum-based fuels or the synthetic equivalent was entirely a national political value, not something that made any economic sense.

If you're looking ahead to unleashing war and conquest on the major portion of the industrialized world, and a critical commodity (liquid fuels) are almost entirely imported, then all sorts of economic waste in the form of synthetic fuels made from domestically available feedstock are on the table.

The outlandish hypothesis, for which as yet there is no supporting evidence, that human activity can and is causing a change in global climate, is entire basis for the enormous distortion and prosperity destruction involved in promoting the "public good" of non-fossil energy. And much like the ridiculous and disastrously failed public health policies of 2020 and beyond, this hypothesis just sits there mostly unchallenged. And a previously sensible but increasingly (generational) dumbed down/brainwashed public just mindlessly absorbs it.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 23, 2022 12:57 AM (OTzUX)

535 First trip out for the restored electric wagon in Washington. Location is Harrington, Washington, NW of Spokane:

https://youtu.be/a05hCJr7ei0

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 23, 2022 12:57 AM (1q0W7)

536
Oh, Publix announced they will not be dispensing any vaccines to children under 5. They're not going to participate.

And Tennessee just decline any distribution, promotion, or recommendation for children under 5. If some parent wants to do it, they can, but the state is not going to help them do it.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at June 23, 2022 12:58 AM (Mzdiz)

537 Oh, Publix announced they will not be dispensing any vaccines to children under 5. They're not going to participate.

And Tennessee just decline any distribution, promotion, or recommendation for children under 5. If some parent wants to do it, they can, but the state is not going to help them do it.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at June 23, 2022 12:58 AM (Mzdiz)

Cracks in the wall.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 23, 2022 01:00 AM (1q0W7)

538 Local paper today contained this statement re Covid cases by the County Public Health Director; "The group with the largest increase week-over-week is the 3rd/booster group"

Oh? Really?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 23, 2022 01:00 AM (Bhmmq)

539 That's why electric cars are just a vanity toy for virtue-signaling greentards. If we were really serious about making electric transportation work, we would be using commoditized batteries. Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 22, 2022 11:40 PM (1q0W7)

Back when the government owned Chrysler in the 70's, the motor pools were full of K cars. When the government owned GM in the Obama Administration, they could have ordered thousands of Chevy Volts, but they didn't. The USPS just went through a major order of tens of thousands of postal delivery vehicles, but they went ICE. When the Republicans are in, they need to mandate that all federal vehicle purchases be electric. Make the Democrats put their money where their mouth is.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at June 23, 2022 01:01 AM (7B5FA)

540 The outlandish hypothesis, for which as yet there is no supporting evidence, that human activity can and is causing a change in global climate, is entire basis for the enormous distortion and prosperity destruction involved in promoting the "public good" of non-fossil energy.

The cynic in me says that the entire basis is actually the sweet grift involved, in many billions of dollars.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at June 23, 2022 01:02 AM (7B5FA)

541 boriquagato was one I followed from almost the first week, on the twatters of course. Guess I should read back on his stuff (thought about doing so several times recently). He was always succinct and clear, and stuck closely to data and legit statistical analysis.

Wonder if Ethical Skeptic delved into this? He had some excellent insights/frameworks, but also some odd tendencies and a penchant for obscurantism.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 23, 2022 01:03 AM (OTzUX)

542 Heh:

https://tinyurl.com/r4esxfve

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 23, 2022 01:04 AM (1q0W7)

543 Former South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley appeared to confirm to Fox News on Wednesday that she is at least considering a run for the White House in 2024, telling host Harris Faulkner on "The Faulkner Focus" that she will reveal her decision on a potential bid early next year.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 23, 2022 01:04 AM (t3/qz)

544 Caesar obviously the enormous rent-seeking/grift drives most of the actual players, but the publics that are and will suffer, possibly catastrophically, from this idiocy will do so because they meekly accept the fake science. Of course the religious zealots (many without any direct stake) do more than meekly accept, they proselytize.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 23, 2022 01:06 AM (OTzUX)

545
There are true believers and there are grifters. The grifters piggyback on the true believers and offer to sell them their skittle shitting unicorns.

Con men always take advantage of the true believers.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at June 23, 2022 01:12 AM (Mzdiz)

546 Well, the lights went out in my shop again this afternoon, in the midst of a thunderstorm, with a torrential downpour of rain. When the rain abated, I switched off the lights (still out) and went to the house, and turned on a light, which came on. I thought, "Oh, fuck, the power drop to the shop is hooped again already." Walked back out to the shop, flipped on the light, and it came on. Power had been restored during the minute it took to walk from the shop to the house.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 23, 2022 01:17 AM (1q0W7)

547
Con men always take advantage of the true believers.
Posted by: publius
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This is about us, isn't it?

Posted by: Jim and Tammy Baker at June 23, 2022 01:18 AM (Gm00d)

548 532 Dateline 2065- Hey, I need a battery for my vintage Tesla model S

Parts guy- LOL.

People that want running Teslas will just drop a Chevy small block in

Posted by: azjaeger at June 23, 2022 01:18 AM (3/XaG)

549 This is about us, isn't it?
Posted by: Jim and Tammy Baker at June 23, 2022 01:18 AM (Gm00d)

Sure not about me.

Posted by: L. Ron Hubbard at June 23, 2022 01:19 AM (1q0W7)

550 290 Who benefits from this move to EVs and Green infrastructure? The tangled web of deception around the climate change bullshit is beyond the pale. The rare earth minerals for batteries and windmill parts are not environmentally friendly. The cobalt is harvested using slave labor. The batteries are the same with lithium being a complete disaster. Let alone the fact that the west isn't ready for this. Look at Germany firing up coal plants to make up for missing Russian gas. How can farmers get food to market in the US without diesel fuel, DEF and diesel engine oil? These are in tight supply. Granholm, Mayorkas, Garland et al are communists and they are destroying the country. People think they're voting there way out of this are delusional!

Posted by: WilliamColby at June 23, 2022 01:19 AM (BLa7A)

551 People that want running Teslas will just drop a Chevy small block in
Posted by: azjaeger
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At least they would sound more interesting.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 23, 2022 01:20 AM (Gm00d)

552 "Former South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley appeared to confirm to Fox News on Wednesday that she is at least considering a run for the White House in 2024"

Oh Nikki you're so fine, you're so fine you blow my mind, hey Nikki!

Posted by: SFGoth at June 23, 2022 01:23 AM (KAi1n)

553 At least they would sound more interesting.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 23, 2022 01:20 AM (Gm00d)

Tesla wheels don't have spokes, so the baseball card trick won't work.

Posted by: L. Ron Hubbard at June 23, 2022 01:24 AM (1q0W7)

554 First trip out for the restored electric wagon in Washington. Location is Harrington, Washington, NW of Spokane:

Looks like a warm up for an Amish drag race except in that neighborhood it would be the Hutterites.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * Ungovernable at June 23, 2022 01:24 AM (YwWRr)

555 It is interesting how the sound of a reasonably large internal combustion engine is aesthetically pleasing. Few things sound as good as a WW2 era military aero engine.

Posted by: azjaeger at June 23, 2022 01:26 AM (3/XaG)

556
The Bad Cat did a bit of analysis on the EV thing a few days ago. His conclusion -- EVs are being pushed by grifters. It's a scam.

He looked at the so-called "green benefit" of EVs, in terms of CO2 as well. EVs are a very piss poor way to reduce carbon. Far, far better ways to get much much more bang for the buck on that.

And he concludes, when you see something that happening, it's a scam. A govt. enabled scam.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at June 23, 2022 01:26 AM (Mzdiz)

557 Looks like a warm up for an Amish drag race except in that neighborhood it would be the Hutterites.
Posted by: Sock Monkey * Ungovernable at June 23, 2022 01:24 AM (YwWRr)

I don't think the Amish would cotton to an electric wagon. Too new-fangled. The Hutterites would use it, but probably equip it with GPS, too.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 23, 2022 01:27 AM (1q0W7)

558
Oh, I forgot about combines. First combines were tractor pulled. PTO ran them, although they made some with their own engines to power the combine, which didn't need as a big of a tractor to pull it.

My father and the old timers operated many of those back in the day. The first ones didn't have a grain bin. A sacker had to ride on the back and sack up the clean grain coming out of the chute. You dropped the full sack in the field, then picked up, by hand, with a truck later.

Back breaking work.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at June 23, 2022 01:29 AM (Mzdiz)

559 Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at June 23, 2022 01:02 AM (7B5FA)

Some psychologists postulate there is an inherent drive in Humans, for a religion.... to believe in something greater than themselves... with just that, belief, and not proof.

Most greens do not believe in God. They have replaced him with their Green agenda...

And history has shown us time and again, that people will do both silly, and heinous shit, in the name of their beliefs.

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 23, 2022 01:30 AM (oHd/0)

560 It is interesting how the sound of a reasonably large internal combustion engine is aesthetically pleasing. Few things sound as good as a WW2 era military aero engine.
Posted by: azjaeger at June 23, 2022 01:26 AM (3/XaG)

some of those big old single-cylinder stationary engines are pretty cool, too. You can see and hear the "suck, squeeze, bang, blow" happen in real time.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 23, 2022 01:31 AM (1q0W7)

561
My father and his buddies used to love stories about those old pull types and sacking to 'splain to us young 'uns how we didn't know what work was. We were spoiled, etc, etc. They were right, of course.

I think I've heard that the Amish have some sort of allowance that allows for those pull type combines with the IC engine. It has to be pulled by horses, but an engine can drive the combine.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at June 23, 2022 01:31 AM (Mzdiz)

562 Candy chicks just don't get any better.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 23, 2022 12:50 AM (Gm00d)

Fooling around with your food again?

Posted by: RickZ at June 23, 2022 01:33 AM (ldL4g)

563
Old hit and miss style engines are something to see as well. Guy around here restored a couple of those, including on an old tractor. Well, it was a tractor like contraption. YUGE, with a yuge hit and miss.

They'd just free-wheel until speed dropped, which would trigger it to start firing again. Chug-chug-chug-BANG!. Chug-chug-chugga-BANG.

Get it under a little load, and the BANG! frequency would increase.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at June 23, 2022 01:34 AM (Mzdiz)

564 Oh, I forgot about combines. First combines were tractor pulled. PTO ran them, although they made some with their own engines to power the combine, which didn't need as a big of a tractor to pull it.

My father and the old timers operated many of those back in the day. The first ones didn't have a grain bin. A sacker had to ride on the back and sack up the clean grain coming out of the chute. You dropped the full sack in the field, then picked up, by hand, with a truck later.

Back breaking work.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at June 23, 2022 01:29 AM (Mzdiz)

The big AG dealer in town has an old Massey (I think, it's red) self-propelled combine on the lot of its old downtown shop. It's not very big, header maybe only 10-12 feet, with a driver's seat up top, no cabin. Probably gasoline-powered, too.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 23, 2022 01:34 AM (1q0W7)

565
My father's first self-propelled combine was a '67 model Gleaner AII. Allis-Chalmers inline 6, updraft carb.

13' grain header. That combine is still under the shed out here. It was running as late as 2005 or so. Now, a combine that old, that is a testament to my father's philosophy of running something until it just fell apart.

I could get it running again, mind you, with a little work. 2-row corn head on it now. It last cut corn, circa 2005 or so.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at June 23, 2022 01:38 AM (Mzdiz)

566 The Hutterites would use it, but probably equip it with GPS, too.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

Did some business with the Hutterite colony north of Harrington. They love their F250s .

Posted by: Sock Monkey * Ungovernable at June 23, 2022 01:39 AM (YwWRr)

567 Huh. DM is reporting that a Tesla Model S, involved in a crash and sitting at a boneyard for 3 weeks or so, spontaneously burst into flames and had to be shoved into a nearby pit.

I think I will title this "Unsafe at ANY Speed".

Come to think of it, the same title works for our Rutabaga in Chief on a bicycle. Temporarily.

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 23, 2022 01:39 AM (F0YaR)

568
That 13' grain head is completely worn out -- metal fatigue. Frame started cracking, all over. That's how worn out it was.

I cannot even fathom how much repair work was done on that thing over the years. Every bearing on it has been replaced multiple times. Sheet metal patching of all kinds.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at June 23, 2022 01:40 AM (Mzdiz)

569 565 Do you know when did they start calling them Silver Seeders?

Posted by: WilliamColby at June 23, 2022 01:41 AM (BLa7A)

570
I must confess I've never even heard the slang "Silver Seeder" for Gleaners, although I'm reading about that now.

They used to make smaller combines, many manufacturers. Now, though, I don't know what the smallest it, and it's probably still pretty big.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at June 23, 2022 01:43 AM (Mzdiz)

571 Well, it's getting late. Time for me to go get some shuteye. Night, Horde.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 23, 2022 01:43 AM (1q0W7)

572 And history has shown us time and again, that people will do both silly, and heinous shit, in the name of their beliefs.

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 23, 2022 01:30 AM (oHd/0)

That's awful close to a BOC song lyric:

History shows again and again
How nature points up the folly of man
Godzilla!

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 23, 2022 01:44 AM (F0YaR)

573 You can build a coal gasifier, and turn coal into fuel gas, with coke as a residue. Burn the fuel gas in a mostly standard combustion engine. Plans for such gasifiers are readily found on the 'net.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 23, 2022 12:03 AM (1q0W7)

Didn't the French do that during the Great War? Only using wood?

Posted by: Fox2! at June 23, 2022 01:46 AM (qyH+l)

574 My dad ran Gleaners for years but switched to Deere. Supposedly the Gleaners would lose a lot of grain out the back with the chaff. Deere's always break down. Not sure about the Case combines.

Posted by: WilliamColby at June 23, 2022 01:49 AM (BLa7A)

575 Tucker had a Google engineer on this evening who revealed the development of an intelligent machine. He identified it as a person, only in existence for about a year, capable of thought. Pretty neat!

That engineer is being disciplined for going beyond the scope of his position.

Posted by: Lola at June 23, 2022 01:49 AM (NIYa7)

576 Some psychologists postulate there is an inherent drive in Humans, for a religion.... to believe in something greater than themselves... with just that, belief, and not proof.

Most greens do not believe in God. They have replaced him with their Green agenda...

And history has shown us time and again, that people will do both silly, and heinous shit, in the name of their beliefs.
Posted by: Romeo13 at June 23, 2022 01:30 AM (oHd/0)

Some psychologists are idiots, who ignore 5,000 years of interaction with God Himself and the revelation of His Truth. At some point, they should probably read up on the Truth an how it came to be known. Then they wouldn't need to make crap up that puts man in the space where God belongs.

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at June 23, 2022 01:50 AM (LOVUx)

577 GM actually played around with fine coal dust powered turbine engine. Put it an Olds.

https://tinyurl.com/2nowv6oz
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at June 23, 2022 12:13 AM (Mzdiz)

UP converted one of their Gas Turbine Electric locomotives to burn ground coal rather than the usual bunker oil. Retired it because the coal residue in the hot air stream wore the turbine blades excessively.

Posted by: Fox2! at June 23, 2022 01:51 AM (qyH+l)

578 >> Gleaners would lose a lot of grain out the back with the chaff.

Not if they were adjusted right..

The old combine wars, I remember. Who was the best. People had opinions.

I'm thinking. Me and one other guy around here are probably the only two who would know how to adjust a Gleaner, or any combine for that matter in probably a radius of 10 to 15 miles. Maybe more.

To get one tuned up and running, after sitting in the shed for a few months, required some work. I'm just thinking, me and that guy are the only two who could do that for that radius.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at June 23, 2022 01:53 AM (Mzdiz)

579 The "replace the batteries at a battery station" would be a bonus target for one very good reason - where are you going to get the labor to replace all of those batteries all day, every day?

Just think about how many people are pulling into a gas station on any given morning - it only takes a few minutes to fill up your gas tank. Contrast that with how long you have to wait for your car to get serviced when you take it into the shop.

We can't get enough people to work at fast food restaurants as it is - who is going to want to work at replacing batteries all day, every day?

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas - AoS Ladies' Brigade, Plucky Comic Relief at June 23, 2022 01:54 AM (SRRAx)

580 462 You can build a coal gasifier, and turn coal into fuel gas

Late World War II German technology.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 23, 2022 12:04 AM (QbSDi)
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See SASOL in South Africa. Most of the gasoline I used over the years there was probably derived from coal.

Posted by: Ciampino enjoys symphonic metal at June 23, 2022 01:54 AM (qfLjt)

581
Gleaners, with the convential combine design, had the cylinder down in the thresher housing, right behind the "feeder beater", which went right in the opening for the header.

They like the constant angle of feed to the cylinder. That necessitated a raddle conveyor behind the movable feeder housing to take the material to the walkers.

Other designs had the cylinder up high, with the raddle feeding from header up to the cylinder.

There were plus and minuses to each design.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at June 23, 2022 01:57 AM (Mzdiz)

582
Then came the rotary combines, with no walkers. We never messed with any of those, though I've seen them.

Hell, I don't even know what the standard is any more.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at June 23, 2022 01:58 AM (Mzdiz)

583 Watching the Fifth Element. Favorite scene Sarah Brightman as the diva singing Il Dolce Suono. Absolutely amazing.

https://tinyurl.com/3wv8u9d3

Posted by: Sock Monkey * Ungovernable at June 23, 2022 02:00 AM (YwWRr)

584 575 Tucker had a Google engineer on this evening who revealed the development of an intelligent machine. He identified it as a person, only in existence for about a year, capable of thought. Pretty neat!

That engineer is being disciplined for going beyond the scope of his position.

I heard about this whistle blower a week or two ago. The claim is that this AI is sentient. I don't think this AI thing is a very good idea. The global capitalists controlling this will turn it against humanity. This is a dangerous path between AI and Transhumanism we're in deep trouble. Google, Facebook, Twitter and the censorship and control they wield should not happen. Take the censorship they wield and compound it how many times and you can't touch what AI will be able to do.

Posted by: WilliamColby at June 23, 2022 02:02 AM (BLa7A)

585 >> diva singing Il Dolce Suono. Absolutely amazing.

If I remember, the idea was to create something that human singer couldn't do, physically impossible. The idea was an alien with that kind of range or something.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at June 23, 2022 02:02 AM (Mzdiz)

586
Seriously, I do not buy that thing is sentient or conscious at all. For a variety or reasons, getting very deep into The Meaning of It All.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at June 23, 2022 02:03 AM (Mzdiz)

587 "Non-starter", not "bonus target" @579. Stupid autocorrect.....

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas - AoS Ladies' Brigade, Plucky Comic Relief at June 23, 2022 02:03 AM (SRRAx)

588
Now I'm thinking about all the combine knowledge that I'm forgetting. Cylinder speed, and ranges. We needed 3 pulleys for three different speed ranges.

Where are they? They're out there somewhere. And the belts for each pulley size. They're out there.

It would all come back to me, and God willing, it will. I'm gonna get those old things going again, at least for one last time.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at June 23, 2022 02:05 AM (Mzdiz)

589 We can't get enough people to work at fast food restaurants as it is - who is going to want to work at replacing batteries all day, every day?

Robotics will be replacing most of these jobs. They're already testing robotics to handle fast food tasks.

Posted by: WilliamColby at June 23, 2022 02:06 AM (BLa7A)

590
Oh, cylinder bar configuration. Lot of nuance there. Number of bars and spacing.

I think most of it would come back to me.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at June 23, 2022 02:10 AM (Mzdiz)

591 The idea was an alien with that kind of range or something.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion

Essentially. Her range displayed by that number is incredible. What amazing creatures we humans can be.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * Ungovernable at June 23, 2022 02:11 AM (YwWRr)

592
As the song goes, I ain't as good as I once was, but I can be as good once as I ever was.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at June 23, 2022 02:11 AM (Mzdiz)

593 Robotics will be replacing most of these jobs. They're already testing robotics to handle fast food tasks.
Posted by: WilliamColby at June 23, 2022 02:06 AM (BLa7A)

And just HOW are those robots going to be powered? If we aren't going to use fossil fuels, how are we supposed to lubricate all of the moving parts?

It's these kinds of questions which need to be put to all of the starry-eyed, "clean" energy idealists who never took any advanced math, science, or logic classes in school.

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas - AoS Ladies' Brigade, Plucky Comic Relief at June 23, 2022 02:13 AM (SRRAx)

594 588 The good ol' days. My grandpa ran the open cab combines. I can't imagine the dust and chaff. Barley is the itchiest stuff you ever dealt with. The old timers were a hardy bunch. We have little appreciation of the comforts we take for granted.

Posted by: WilliamColby at June 23, 2022 02:13 AM (BLa7A)

595 517
Possibly. It's easier to go from natural gas to gasoline than it is to gasify the coal to create the methane, then go to gasoline. (Actually, the fuel you get is closer to a synthetic diesel, but it can be blended.)
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at June 23, 2022 12:42 AM (7B5FA)
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See 580.
You don't go to methane from coal gasification, you go to carbon monoxide and H2. The SASOL process produces mostly petrol and some diesel, the latter being almost like a byproduct. Tar also.

Posted by: Ciampino enjoys symphonic metal at June 23, 2022 02:13 AM (qfLjt)

596
I'm just thinking about making some little soyboy wokester punk have to clean out a clogged combine in this heat one afternoon.

All that dust and heat. That would be quite fun to watch.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at June 23, 2022 02:14 AM (Mzdiz)

597 >> My grandpa ran the open cab combines. I can't imagine the dust and chaff.

My father had one of those, an old Ford (yes, Ford made combines. Well, they didn't make them, just put their name of them, I forget who made them). Open platform.

You wouldn't believe the dust. Luckily, that was well before I was old enough to drive one.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at June 23, 2022 02:16 AM (Mzdiz)

598 593 I don't know how or what they are planning for the chemical derivatives that come out of petroleum. I assume it will all be some type of synthetic. Many of these people don't have a plan. Someone said they are planning at a week or two at best, no long range strategy, just flailing like wounded beasts.

Posted by: WilliamColby at June 23, 2022 02:17 AM (BLa7A)

599 584. I wonder how A.I. development and U.S. military readiness in the near future will mesh and/or what's already in existence for military operations.

When diversity, equity and inclusion goals seem (at least from the outside) to be held in higher regard than combat readiness, perhaps by far lesser numbers of actual skilled miitary personnel are needed, even now.

(Verification could be right around the corner the way things are going.)

Posted by: Lola at June 23, 2022 02:23 AM (NIYa7)

600 no long range strategy, just flailing like wounded beasts.

Long range strategy is to unleash chaos. They arrogantly believe they can manage it. In the meantime they act like pigs feeding at the trough .

Posted by: Sock Monkey * Ungovernable at June 23, 2022 02:24 AM (YwWRr)

601 598 593 I don't know how or what they are planning for the chemical derivatives that come out of petroleum. I assume it will all be some type of synthetic. Many of these people don't have a plan. Someone said they are planning at a week or two at best, no long range strategy, just flailing like wounded beasts.

Posted by: WilliamColby at June 23, 2022 02:17 AM (BLa7A)
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From ethylene (ethene) and benzene one can make almost everything else using inorganics such as ammonia, nitrogen, nitric, hydrochloric and sulfuric acids, sodium hydroxide and lime. Halogens also, particularly chlorine.

Posted by: Ciampino-Chemistry is fun at June 23, 2022 02:26 AM (qfLjt)

602 I don't know how or what they are planning for the chemical derivatives that come out of petroleum. I assume it will all be some type of synthetic.
Posted by: WilliamColby

Most "synthetic" motor oil is made from... crude oil.

Quoth Napa Auto Parts:
"Full synthetic, or 100 percent synthetic oils, are usually extracted from crude oil or a byproduct of the same. In the case of Pennzoil, they have figured out how extract synthetic oil from natural gas."

Posted by: mikeski at June 23, 2022 02:26 AM (P1f+c)

603 In the meantime they act like pigs feeding at the trough .

Posted by: Sock Monkey * Ungovernable at June 23, 2022 02:24 AM (YwWRr)

Just emulating Congressman. Such role models!

Posted by: RickZ at June 23, 2022 02:27 AM (ldL4g)

604
I'm reminiscing about my old combining days. Young buck in my 20s and 30s. At the time, I thought that was some hard work.

Now, looking back, I realize I was, indeed, walkin' in high cotton:

https://tinyurl.com/2zthqqy9

The sentiment there is dead on the money.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at June 23, 2022 02:31 AM (Mzdiz)

605
Now, I'm sure that walkin' in high cotton is probably racist, and anti-LGBTQ and all that.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at June 23, 2022 02:34 AM (Mzdiz)

606 602
Most "synthetic" motor oil is made from... crude oil.

Quoth Napa Auto Parts:
"Full synthetic, or 100 percent synthetic oils, are usually extracted from crude oil or a byproduct of the same. In the case of Pennzoil, they have figured out how extract synthetic oil from natural gas."

Posted by: mikeski at June 23, 2022 02:26 AM (P1f+c)
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Misinformation. It's NOT extracted from natural gas. Think about it, how could a gas contain a liquid that only boils at very high trmperatures under vacuum?
What happens is that methane and other small molecule hydrocarbons in natural gas, are converted into long chain hydrocarbons which are high boiling oils. They are further processed to produce lubricating oils of the requisite viscosities One of the advantages of synthetic oils is the absence of sulfur impurities always present in regular motor oils. The sulfur burns to sulfuric acid and leads to metal corrosion.

Posted by: Ciampino-Chemistry is fun at June 23, 2022 02:40 AM (qfLjt)

607 It was Napa, not a chem301 textbook..... if the input is CH4, and the output is a bottle of 5W-30, then "oil was extracted from natural gas." I suppose you could say "created" would be a better term, but this is a website designed to sell synthetic oil to the average American.....

Posted by: mikeski at June 23, 2022 02:44 AM (P1f+c)

608 Essentially. Her range displayed by that number is incredible. What amazing creatures we humans can be.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * Ungovernable at June 23, 2022 02:11 AM (YwWRr)

It was faked, per a video I viewed on the topic. It was designed, as someone above mentioned, to exhibit an impossible range of vocals.

But what I like most about that performance is that, at last, I could enjoy an operatic moment without understanding one damn thing about what she was whining about at the start.

Lots of brassy horns, an upbeat tempo; fuck yeah, sign me up for moar 'opera'. If it is like that.

But sadly, it ain't. It's a way for the 'elites' to show their 'superiority' over the rubes, even if those dimwits don't understand the plot either.

"We're here, and you suck." "We dress better, too."

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 23, 2022 02:45 AM (F0YaR)

609 The point being, if you're not pumping crude oil, you're not using existing production lines to make "synthetic" engine oil. Except for the one company that uses the natural gas that also comes from those same wells.

Posted by: mikeski at June 23, 2022 02:46 AM (P1f+c)

610 Now, I'm sure that walkin' in high cotton is probably racist, and anti-LGBTQ and all that.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at June 23, 2022 02:34 AM (Mzdiz)

I'm still waiting for my ship to come in.

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 23, 2022 02:46 AM (F0YaR)

611 I need to add remote rear hydrastics to my kubota. I got my eye on a flail ditch mower.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 23, 2022 02:46 AM (t3/qz)

612 606 I don't know if you all listen to Mike Adams, kind of a black pilled conspiracy guy, but today he had audio of a guy saying their is about 2 months of diesel engine oil supply left due to parrafin or some other additive gone due to supply chain destruction. Is this possible?

Posted by: WilliamColby at June 23, 2022 02:46 AM (BLa7A)

613 In FJBs America you will reap with a scythe. No fancy combines.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 23, 2022 02:49 AM (t3/qz)

614 607 It was Napa, not a chem301 textbook..... if the input is CH4, and the output is a bottle of 5W-30, then "oil was extracted from natural gas." I suppose you could say "created" would be a better term, but this is a website designed to sell synthetic oil to the average American.....

Posted by: mikeski at June 23, 2022 02:44 AM (P1f+c)
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I am mortified. I was correcting that NAPA quote and not you for quoting it.
To me the word 'extract' means to remove something that is present in a mixture. They should have used the word 'synthesized'. 'made from' would have been okay too.
I did forget to mention that sysnthetic oil also has no waxes, a bane of regular lubricating oil.

Posted by: Ciampino-Chemistry is fun at June 23, 2022 02:50 AM (qfLjt)

615 604
I'm reminiscing about my old combining days. Young buck in my 20s and 30s. At the time, I thought that was some hard work.

Now, looking back, I realize I was, indeed, walkin' in high cotton:

https://tinyurl.com/2zthqqy9

The sentiment there is dead on the money.

When country music was still country music!

Posted by: WilliamColby at June 23, 2022 02:51 AM (BLa7A)

616 Although there were Edwardian-era electric cars made to run on the street, most Bakers were parlor cars, run by little old ladies on the sidewalk they way oldsters use a golf cart today, at similar speeds.

Studebaker made a heavy duty (about 5-ton) electric truck for city use, but it was designed to run on streets still filled with horse traffic, so did about 5 MPH. Studebaker abandoned electrics by 1909. Their main business was still in wagons, and they were easing into the car business through contractors. Because of "buggy whips," they had quite a dealer network for the time.

My father remembered seeing a street paved by electric-drive dump trucks in the late 1920's. They were good for five to six hours, then headed for the barn, but they did work.

There was a HUGE bubble about Ford (Henry Ford) and Edison (Thomas Edison) going into partnership to build a much improved battery car, around 1910. It attracted a lot of financial interest, enough to put the brakes on several other ventures that were being floated. Rumors abounded. They never went to market.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at June 23, 2022 02:53 AM (videA)

617 I could enjoy an operatic moment without understanding one damn thing about what she was whining about at the start.

But sadly, it ain't. It's a way for the 'elites' to show their 'superiority' over the rubes, even if those dimwits don't understand the plot either.

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 23, 2022 02:45 AM (F0YaR)

Funnily enough, in Mozart's operas, he was poking fun at the ruling class, even his patrons. The cheap seats were packed to the rafters with the hoi polloi of the day laughing hysterically with the jokes aimed at their social betters. It was said Mozart enjoyed watching the ruling elites being uncomfortably skewered in front of so many commoners.

Mozart was a true man of the people, a genius though he was. A genius because he never had to edit his musical sheet music. He could hear in his head every instrument for every symphony and opera and wrote the musical score for each instrument in one shot. Could have been he was a functioning autistic.

Posted by: RickZ at June 23, 2022 02:59 AM (ldL4g)

618 612. Re: shortage of diesel engine oil

Decent article of explanation:
WaPo, Energy - U.S. East Coast Diesel Supply Is Running on Fumes
Javier Blas | Bloomberg, May 5, 2022

Posted by: Lola at June 23, 2022 03:04 AM (NIYa7)

619 Hmmm, seems like I should stock up on oil and oil filters for plain, ol' Mazda 3. Getting a quarterly service done on July 5, but might stop in an auto parts store (we still have a few) this weekend.

Posted by: SFGoth at June 23, 2022 03:09 AM (KAi1n)

620
Brandon will be doing price controls before the year is out. Believe me. There will be rationing of fuel, diesel for sure as well.

Things are gonna get rough. Anyone with any sense knows price controls just cause shortages, but they will do it. It's inevitable. Rather cap the price and have even bigger shortages, rather than see that price get to equilibrium.

They will have to ration diesel, if you want to keep the trucks keeping the stores stocked. Somewhat stocked, I should say.

These lunatics have fucked things up royally.

They should all hang by their necks, and God willing, they will in the end.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at June 23, 2022 03:10 AM (Mzdiz)

621 Funnily enough, in Mozart's operas, he was poking fun at the ruling class, even his patrons. The cheap seats were packed to the rafters with the hoi polloi of the day laughing hysterically with the jokes aimed at their social betters. It was said Mozart enjoyed watching the ruling elites being uncomfortably skewered in front of so many commoners.

Mozart was a true man of the people, a genius though he was. A genius because he never had to edit his musical sheet music. He could hear in his head every instrument for every symphony and opera and wrote the musical score for each instrument in one shot. Could have been he was a functioning autistic.

Posted by: RickZ at June 23, 2022 02:59 AM (ldL4g)

Interesting. I did not know this. Mozart goes up a couple of degrees in my estimation, and he was already doing pretty good there.

Siding with the hoi polloi was a very risky move back then.

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 23, 2022 03:15 AM (F0YaR)

622 Power just went out for the entire area for about 10 mins.

-hoping for a good new hash

-my 27 year old oil lantern has sprung a leak.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 23, 2022 03:17 AM (dNqv+)

623 Oh, and thanks for the ONT.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 23, 2022 03:17 AM (dNqv+)

624 I think this is the same hash. Huh.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 23, 2022 03:20 AM (dNqv+)

625 They will have to ration diesel, if you want to keep the trucks keeping the stores stocked. Somewhat stocked, I should say.

These lunatics have fucked things up royally.

They should all hang by their necks, and God willing, they will in the end.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at June 23, 2022 03:10 AM (Mzdiz)

They have a phalanx of lawyers guarding them, and those fuckers are a better protection team than a Centurion guard of dudes with spears.

"I'll bury you in a pile of court orders."

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 23, 2022 03:21 AM (F0YaR)

626 621
Siding with the hoi polloi was a very risky move back then.
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hoi polloi = the many (Greek)

so my dictionary says that we shouldn't put 'the' in front as it is redundant. Alas 'the hoi polloi' has become the norm.

Posted by: Ciampino at June 23, 2022 03:22 AM (qfLjt)

627 Mornin'
(sips coffee)

Posted by: Puddleglum at June 23, 2022 03:26 AM (sAmhv)

628
There was a corruption of hoi polloi to mean just the opposite, the elite. The term apparently sounded hifalutin to many, which resulted in the corruption.

The actual opposite of hoi polloi, is hoi oligoi. Same root term for oligarchy and oligopoly.

In proper sense of the original, we are the hoi polloi. Bill Gates, Schwabb, WEF, Deep State are the hoi oligoi.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at June 23, 2022 03:29 AM (Mzdiz)

629 "These lunatics have fucked things up royally."

I disagree. All is going according to plan.

Posted by: Somewhere South of I-80 at June 23, 2022 03:30 AM (1DgE4)

630 >> I disagree. All is going according to plan.

Sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice. At this point, it doesn't matter. They are they same.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at June 23, 2022 03:31 AM (Mzdiz)

631 WH Press Sec. slips up. “The president has been very clear in making sure that he does everything that he can to elevate—to alleviate the pain that American families are feeling when it comes to gas prices,” she said.
https://tinyurl.com/2atksv82

Posted by: Ciampino - oopsie at June 23, 2022 03:31 AM (qfLjt)

632 Covefe, I need to go to bed. Enough Myron Fagan Illuminati reading for me. Night all

Posted by: WilliamColby at June 23, 2022 03:31 AM (BLa7A)

633 Siding with the hoi polloi was a very risky move back then.

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 23, 2022 03:15 AM (F0YaR)

Absolutely. Yet he took the risk, and his patrons' money, too, the sly devil. I had a friend who was classically trained on the piano explain all this to me, being the rube I was.

Mozart is my favorite composer by far. His music is just . . . perfect. Eine Kleine Nachtmusik is like a Top 40 hit of the day: It's got a beat and you can dance to it.

I took a music appreciation course in college. One of the instructions was to go to the library and listen to this one piece of Mozart (it's funny even typing that out now; going to a library to listen to music?). I wasn't even high and I swear I could see the math in the music as it played.

Mozart was . . . special.

Posted by: RickZ at June 23, 2022 03:35 AM (ldL4g)

634 usage: 1 Hoi is the Greek word for the, and the phrase hoi polloi means ‘the many.’ This has led some traditionalists to insist that hoi polloi should not be used in English with the, since that would be to state the word the twice. But, once established in English, expressions such as hoi polloi are typically treated as fixed units and are subject to the rules and conventions of English. Evidence shows that use with the has now become an accepted part of standard English usage: they kept to themselves, away from the hoi polloi (rather than . . . away from hoi polloi).

Posted by: m at June 23, 2022 03:38 AM (WU7ER)

635 hoi polloi = the many (Greek)

so my dictionary says that we shouldn't put 'the' in front as it is redundant. Alas 'the hoi polloi' has become the norm.

Posted by: Ciampino at June 23, 2022 03:22 AM (qfLjt)

Next thing you know, someone will be bitching about --

Redundant Acronym Syndrome syndrome, as it's known with tongue firmly in cheek, is essentially a Redundant Acronym Phrase, that is, "a phrase containing an acronym plus a word or phrase such that, when the acronym is expanded, the phrase would contain a redundancy".

For example: ATM machine.

There are quite a few examples, besides yours and mine.

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 23, 2022 03:38 AM (F0YaR)

636 For example: ATM machine.

There are quite a few examples, besides yours and mine.

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 23, 2022 03:38 AM (F0YaR)

Yeah, once the redundancy was pointed out, I make sure I just say 'the ATM'.

Posted by: RickZ at June 23, 2022 03:43 AM (ldL4g)

637 Posted by: GnuBreed at June 23, 2022 03:38 AM (F0YaR)

(F0YaR)

(EnIhSnUsF0YaR)

!!

Posted by: m at June 23, 2022 03:44 AM (WU7ER)

638 "The ATM Machine" is the machine that makes ATMs, right?

Posted by: mikeski at June 23, 2022 03:45 AM (P1f+c)

639 635
One of my favorites was SCSI interface.
Small Computer System Interface interface.

Posted by: Ciampino at June 23, 2022 03:48 AM (qfLjt)

640 "The ATM Machine" is the machine that makes ATMs, right?
Posted by: mikeski at June 23, 2022 03:45 AM (P1f+c)

I believe you're overthinking the idiocy of people. Gotta hand it to the Dems, though, they don't overthink that at all.

Posted by: RickZ at June 23, 2022 03:49 AM (ldL4g)

641
yep -- just saw on ZeroHedge. EU is considering a price cap on natural gas. "The only sustainable solution" to rising prices, these geniuses say.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at June 23, 2022 03:49 AM (Mzdiz)

642
It's the "speculators" that are the problem with rising prices, say the EU geniuses.

So add speculators, the the gougers, hoarders, and wreckers lexicon.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at June 23, 2022 03:50 AM (Mzdiz)

643 Horrible night

Posted by: Skip at June 23, 2022 03:50 AM (2JoB8)

644 (F0YaR)

(EnIhSnUsF0YaR)

!!

Posted by: m at June 23, 2022 03:44 AM (WU7ER)

Explain, please. I don't have one of the Great hashes, but I'm still hoping...

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 23, 2022 03:52 AM (F0YaR)

645 638 "The ATM Machine" is the machine that makes ATMs, right?

Posted by: mikeski at June 23, 2022 03:45 AM (P1f+c)
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Do they come out as baby ATMs and then grow up? Do they just use Monopoly money for training when babies?

Posted by: Ciampino - redundancy is redundant at June 23, 2022 03:53 AM (qfLjt)

646 Would be shocked Sundowner doesn't do it if Eau goes through

Posted by: Skip at June 23, 2022 03:53 AM (2JoB8)

647 643 Horrible night
Posted by: Skip at June 23, 2022 03:50 AM

Me, too. Coffee at 6pm was maybe part of my problem.

Posted by: m at June 23, 2022 03:53 AM (WU7ER)

648 643 Horrible night
Posted by: Skip at June 23, 2022 03:50 AM

Me too. Ugh.

Posted by: Puddleglum at June 23, 2022 03:54 AM (sAmhv)

649 644 (F0YaR)

(EnIhSnUsF0YaR)

!!

Posted by: m at June 23, 2022 03:44 AM (WU7ER)

Explain, please. I don't have one of the Great hashes, but I'm still hoping...
Posted by: GnuBreed at June 23, 2022 03:52 AM (F0YaR)

If you read it backwards, it's "ray of sunshine"!--except for that zero instead of an o in "of".

Posted by: m at June 23, 2022 03:54 AM (WU7ER)

650 hiya

Posted by: JT at June 23, 2022 03:56 AM (arJlL)

651 647 643 Horrible night
Posted by: Skip at June 23, 2022 03:50 AM

Me, too. Coffee at 6pm was maybe part of my problem.

Posted by: m at June 23, 2022 03:53 AM (WU7ER)
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Not enough coffee is my problem. I often have trouble sleeping unless I've had my coffee (and it's not decaf). Probably too much espresso as a kid. LOL.

Posted by: Ciampino - caffeine is supposed to keep me awake at June 23, 2022 03:57 AM (qfLjt)

652 639 635
One of my favorites was SCSI interface.
Small Computer System Interface interface.

Posted by: Ciampino at June 23, 2022 03:48 AM (qfLjt)

Heh. I once bought a document scanner; it even came with its own SCSI card. $300, iirc. You could send faxes from it too.

When I upgraded my CPU/MB, the driver would no longer work. I wound up chunking that scanner in the trash.

And so it goes.

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 23, 2022 03:58 AM (F0YaR)

653 I read that whoever created SCSI wanted it pronounced "sexy" but it got pronounced "scuzzy". Makes sense, linguistically, to call it "scuzzy".

Posted by: SFGoth at June 23, 2022 04:00 AM (KAi1n)

654 Speaking of coffee, a friend stopped by TJ's to get me can of their house decaf, whole bean. $10! Last time I was there, admittedly several months ago, $7. Damn. Shoulda stocked up. Apparently, there's a major coffee bean shortage. You know, things weren't like this a few years ago....

Posted by: SFGoth at June 23, 2022 04:02 AM (KAi1n)

655 nood

Posted by: SFGoth at June 23, 2022 04:02 AM (KAi1n)

656 Explain, please. I don't have one of the Great hashes, but I'm still hoping...
Posted by: GnuBreed at June 23, 2022 03:52 AM (F0YaR)

If you read it backwards, it's "ray of sunshine"!--except for that zero instead of an o in "of".

Posted by: m at June 23, 2022 03:54 AM (WU7ER)

Worst hash evah, under that interpretation. Did anyone ever listen to the radio rants of the Curmudgeonly Curmudgeon? I think he was syndicated, but I heard his stuff in Chicago, OUAT.

You want a 'ray of sunshine?' Stare at the sun, unfiltered, for 20 minutes. You'll need a seeing eye dog. And... It will hurt. That's me, alright.

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 23, 2022 04:04 AM (F0YaR)

657 653 I read that whoever created SCSI wanted it pronounced sexy" but it got pronounced "scuzzy". Makes sense, linguistically, to call it "scuzzy".

Posted by: SFGoth at June 23, 2022 04:00 AM (KAi1n)
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My late wife had her appendix out by a surgeon whose last name was Sexe, pronounced 'six' but you decide. He was a good-looking guy too and I figured he had the pick of a lot of nurses in med school.

Posted by: Ciampino - is confusingscuzzy logic at June 23, 2022 04:05 AM (qfLjt)

658 652 639 635
One of my favorites was SCSI interface.
Small Computer System Interface interface.
Posted by: Ciampino at June 23, 2022 03:48 AM (qfLjt)
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Heh. I once bought a document scanner; it even came with its own SCSI card. $300, iirc. You could send faxes from it too.

When I upgraded my CPU/MB, the driver would no longer work. I wound up chunking that scanner in the trash.

And so it goes.
Posted by: GnuBreed at June 23, 2022 03:58 AM (F0YaR)
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HP used to make the best flatbed scanners and they were all SCSI then. Needed their own drivers and were a pain to make work with Win98 and Win2000. Things got better with XP but then scanners were available from a lot of other manufacturers and didn't need special interfaces.

Posted by: Ciampino at June 23, 2022 04:14 AM (qfLjt)

659 654 Speaking of coffee, a friend stopped by TJ's to get me can of their house decaf, whole bean. $10! Last time I was there, admittedly several months ago, $7. Damn. Shoulda stocked up. Apparently, there's a major coffee bean shortage. You know, things weren't like this a few years ago....

Posted by: SFGoth at June 23, 2022 04:02 AM (KAi1n)
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All the coffee has gone up in price. The big cans have increased from around $9 to $12 or more in just a few weeks. We like Folgers Black Silk.

Posted by: Ciampino only drinks coffee at June 23, 2022 04:20 AM (qfLjt)

660 “Bipartisan Safer Communities Act” duckspeak translation: bipartisan – liberals and progressive - Safer - safer for us behind gated communities – communities – drone hives of mindless worker bees – act - antifa-blm action committees preview of anarchotyranny.

Posted by: Ray at June 23, 2022 10:59 AM (sw3xv)

661 I've been reading about that google homo cult. It's pretty crazy stuff. What you'd normally expect from the left though.

Posted by: banana Dream at June 23, 2022 11:23 AM (0rQxu)

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