Gun Thread: Happy Father's Day Edition!

Howdy, Y'all! Welcome to the wondrously fabulous Gun Thread! As always, I want to thank all of our regulars for being here week in and week out, and also offer a bigly Gun Thread welcome to any newcomers who may be joining us tonight. Howdy and thank you for stopping by! I hope you find our wacky conversation on the subject of guns 'n shooting both enjoyable and informative. You are always welcome to lurk in the shadows of shame, but I'd like to invite you to jump into the conversation, say howdy, and tell us what kind of shooting you like to do!

What's up? Now that the super fun NoVaMoMe is a wrap, your 'ol pal Weasel can turn his attention to Organic Tree Farming. Truth be told, I'm a little afraid to go down there at this point as I am sure the vegetation has been growing vigorously without my being there to beat it into submission. Anyhoo, I need to plan a work trip this week to tidy up the road and the ranges and get the place presentable for members of the Moron Gun Club making a return visit, and also the Dream Date with Weasel winner, Julie S.

With that, step into the dojo and let's get to the gun stuff below, shall we?

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Happy Father's Day! This is a gun I inherited from my father, a Smith and Wesson Model 686-4 purchased in 1995. We were able to take it shooting a couple of times and I very fondly recall those trips. My dad wasn't a big shooter, and this handgun was a "spite" purchase in response to a politician who annoyed him by, among other things, pushing gun control back in the day. Gotta love my Dad! Spite purchases can be some of the best and most rewarding, don't you think?

Please tell us about your dad and any shooting you might have done together. Did he teach you how to shoot? More importantly, are you teaching your son or daughter how to shoot?

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I was thinking about how much I will enjoy filling up the truck on the upcoming trip to the farm. I always stop at one of the small town gas stations along the way, and took this picture in April of 2020. As you can see I was paying $0.96 per gallon for regular. Now it's something like $4.60 at the same place, which got me to thinking about the cost of shooting in general. What are you doing, if anything, to mitigate the cost? Are you making fewer range trips and shooting less once you get there? Let us know in the comments if you have figured out how to save some money.

Q: Weasel, Do you enjoy Krispy Krunchy Chicken?
A: What the hell do you think?

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Our pal Blake, who contributed two beautifully handmade cutting boards to the NoVaMoMe prize table sends a thank you!

I received the card signed by everyone who was at the NoVa MoMe and it really made my day. Thanks to everyone who made the NoVa MoMe and took the time to sign the card. Regards, -Blake

Thank You Blake!

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First up, our pal Utah Lurker sends in some photos of a rifle from his Dad's collection.

I recently acquired a .308 FN Herstal manufactured KAR 98. Its stamped with Israeli Army markings due the Israelis ordering them in 1952-53 for use by their armed forces.
That is the only .308 KAR 98's I've ever run across as collector. My dad was a military arms collector and had an extensive collection of KAR98s, and it's from his collection that I acquired the one I own. If the Israeli experience is any indication they originally took 8x57 mm KARs from Eastern Europe, Czechoslovakia for use by the Haganah. It was only after independence was won, 1951, that they ordered the rifle for the fledgling IDF in the new .308 cartridge which was beginning adoption by NATO.
As for CETME rechambered KAR98k's I've not run across one at any gun shows and would be suspicious unless it re-barrelled properly. I hope to get out from Utah to shoot at a meet with lurkers like myself.

Very nice Utah Lurker, and welcome! Thanks for the information and sending this in, and hope to see you at a MoMe!

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Next up our pal Hairyback Guy follows up on last week's discussion in the comments with some pics of his FR-8.

Here are some pictures of my Spanish rifles which include the FR-8. Last Week there were some questions on the FR-7 and the FR-8 so I figured I would send a few pictures of my FR-8 so folks would know what one looks like and what to look for if they see one out in the wild. From the pictures the FR-8 was used to get the Spanish troops familiar with the new but still yet to be issued Cetme roller lock, delay blowback semi-auto rifle. The front and rear sights as well as the flash hider and grenade ability of the FR-8 are what one would find on a Cetme B. The FR-8 also uses the same bayonet as the Cetme B and also the sling setup. A nice shooter, it does pack a wallop on recoil and the iron Cetme sights do take some getting used to but work reasonably well. My FR-8 was made in 1954 and is still in excellent condition and fun to shoot!

Very nice, Hairyback Guy!! Thank you for sending these in!

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Next up our pal Javems sends in a range report

Both targets were shot with an US 1917, 30-06 from a bench at 50 yards. The rifle has a fixed peep sight set at 100 yards. It has a second peep for extended ranges on a slide. The front sight is adjustable for windage but wound need an armorer or expert to adjust them. Rifle is as I bought it some 35years ago. Shot my re-loads. Remarkable for a rifle that could be pushing 100 years old. I'll have to see when this one was assembled.

In the second target you can see I was wearing out. Wasn't the rifle's fault. Missed the whole dang target twice. I'll have to get someone to help me next time. Traipsing up and down the range in this heat and humidity is more that I can handle at this point. If I can make the TxMoMe I'll bring either the 1917 or 98 Krag. I'll have to get dies and supplies for the Krag, commercial rounds are $3.00+ each if you can find them.

Nicely done Javems and thank you! Isn't it fun shooting these old rifles and wondering where they have served? How about a picture of the rifle?

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A-Salt Rifles

Domestic Terrorist with Weapon of War

You People and your damn a-salt rifles! Who needs an a-salt rifle for hunting? Why do you need a gun that holds more than 10 grains of salt?!?! Did you know you can buy these on the internet?!

I recently had the pleasure of doing some fly hunting with a group of my fellow dangerously unstable right-wingers. Believe it or not, the Bug-A-Salt rifle really works, and comes with a wide range of accessories to customize your setup; including laser sights and custom ammunition and even a Bug Cam to record the hunt!

With standard ammunition, ballistic performance was excellent in crosswinds up to 3 mph, and targets as far away as 1 yard were successfully engaged. WeaselApproved!

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A couple of weeks ago I included a comparison test of (I think) various screw drivers by a guy who does a really good series of product reviews. This week he tackles penetrating oil.

What the heck? One of my favorites, Aerokroil, came in last! I still think it's a great product, but maybe not the best for loosening rusty bolts. And although it apparantly doesn't work as well as some of the others, it makes up for it by costing more!

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Gun Basics 101

This week the She Equips Herself Gal covers the five things to buy after buying a gun. This is a great topic as far as saving money, because there are a seemingly endless list of "must have" items advertised to first time gun owners.

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Cigar of the Week

In case you're unsure how to proceed, here's a helpful video on how to smoke a cigar with Nick Perdomo.

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And no Cigar of the Week feature would be complete without Cigar Vixen, this time reporting at the 2016 Puro Sabor Nicaraguan Cigar Festival.

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Link-O-Rama

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Palmetto State Armory
Georgia Arms
AmmoMan
Target Sports USA
Bud's Gun Shop

***Mail Bag***

This week's mailbag entry is from our pal TDSOBVO. Timmy is wise.

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That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

Posted by: Weasel at 07:00 PM

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1 Happy Father's day

Posted by: Skip at June 19, 2022 07:00 PM (2JoB8)

2 Yay ! Woohoo !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - ultra maga ftw ! at June 19, 2022 07:01 PM (H4bsh)

3 Remember when Uncle Weasel said "Buy ammo!"?

He wasn't just pulling your finger.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 19, 2022 07:01 PM (a3Q+t)

4 Hiya all

Posted by: Ciampino at June 19, 2022 07:02 PM (qfLjt)

5 Spent the day with my boys lightening chunks of aluminum and plastic. One came out nice, the other functional but ugly. That's ok 'cause I got a 3 pack and know all the things to not do wrong now.

Posted by: fd at June 19, 2022 07:05 PM (vrz2I)

6 I could have gone to the range today, but didn't.

I did however feast upon a London broil prepared by my lovely wife, whose innovation was to use the marinade to cook baby red skin potatoes.

I am now fighting off a good coma.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 19, 2022 07:05 PM (llXky)

7
g'early evenin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at June 19, 2022 07:06 PM (ENBF0)

8 Check that, food coma. So drowsy...

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 19, 2022 07:06 PM (llXky)

9 Yeah Buddy

Posted by: That Guy What Always Says Yeah Buddy TM at June 19, 2022 07:07 PM (R5lpX)

10 Hello, Weasel and horde! To cope w/ ammo costs, I do the following: 1) Limit the number of rounds I shoot in any one magazine to five, max (practice on reloading the firearm) 2) practice aimed shots more instead of rapid fire, and 3) limit the total number of rounds expended on any one firearm to a single box.

Posted by: Ed L at June 19, 2022 07:07 PM (/lmRp)

11 Here's to all the Dads!
Here's to my dad who enrolled me in marksmanship class at age of 12, and sent me off to school with my Marlin single shot, bolt action .22.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at June 19, 2022 07:07 PM (jTmQV)

12 some joker doesn't like AeroKroil ? meh, what do I care about some ignorant heathen's opinion ? works fine for me is all I know.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - ultra maga ftw ! at June 19, 2022 07:08 PM (H4bsh)

13 I'm thankful to have my father still around today. I did not think he would make it to *mumblemumble* years old. I'm also thankful he has entrusted his father's M1 to me. Now if I could just find time to get my husband to take me to the outdoor range (I've only ever shot a handgun). And my daughters have shot guns more than I have with their younger brothers not far behind; so I'm doing what I can for the next generation.

Thanks for the gun thread, Weasel!

Posted by: Catherine at June 19, 2022 07:08 PM (ZSsrh)

14 Howdy, Weasel, and fellow Gub Horde members. The idea of a laser for my Bug-A-Salt is oddly compelling. (My dog is always right at my side when I pick up my copy, because she loves to eat the "skyraisins" after I knock them down to her level. With a visible laser, I could encourage the cats to join in the hunt as well... 8^)

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at June 19, 2022 07:10 PM (v23vE)

15 Posted by: Catherine at June 19, 2022 07:08 PM (ZSsrh)
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Howdy Catherine!! Try and get out with the M1 - you'll love it!!

Posted by: Weasel at June 19, 2022 07:10 PM (0IeYL)

16 Howdy, Weasel! Happy Father's Day, Horde! Feeling blessed to have three wonderful chilluns who brought gifts of 9mm snap caps, a rail-mounted Crimson Trace flashlight, and a Hornady cheek pad.

Was tempted to bitch & moan about having to travel today, but I was heartily rewarded. WOC ahead of me in security line was picked for full screening / pat down. As we waited for our bags to come thru the metal detector, she says to me "Sheee-itt, I jus got me a full massage.... coochie and all !"

Life is good. Second flight about to take off. Catch y'all next week!

Posted by: Matthew Kant Cipher at June 19, 2022 07:11 PM (4LReb)

17 Neat FR-8. Next week I'll give my FR-7 a try and grab some photos to boot.

Yesterday I reorganized my ammo for the first time since the Covid hit. It was long overdue.

Calibers that once were common are now scarce, and so I needed to adjust the space I accorded them. At the same time, the amount of reserve ammo I want to keep on hand for self-defense calibers has gone up, so they need more room.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 19, 2022 07:11 PM (llXky)

18 hiya

Posted by: JT at June 19, 2022 07:12 PM (arJlL)

19 Howdy MKC! HFD!

Posted by: Weasel at June 19, 2022 07:12 PM (0IeYL)

20 One cure for rusty bolts is to utilize only weapons that don't have one.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 19, 2022 07:12 PM (a3Q+t)

21 Still confused what Ben was doing with 2,000 feed bags, but suggested to do what Timmy is doing, he could use 2,000 feed bags

Posted by: Skip at June 19, 2022 07:13 PM (2JoB8)

22 Hello, Weasel and horde! To cope w/ ammo costs, I do the following: 1) Limit the number of rounds I shoot in any one magazine to five, max (practice on reloading the firearm) 2) practice aimed shots more instead of rapid fire, and 3) limit the total number of rounds expended on any one firearm to a single box.

Posted by: Ed L at June 19, 2022 07:07 PM (/lmRp)
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Yes on 1, sometimes on 2, yes on 3.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 19, 2022 07:14 PM (llXky)

23 Can you get a chainsaw bayonet for the Bug-A-Salt rifle?

Asking for Dianne Feinstein.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 19, 2022 07:15 PM (a3Q+t)

24 Nice S&W Weasel! Looks like a nice shooter.

Great shooting Javems! .30-O6 will wear a shooter out. Nice groups!

Utah Lurker, your father know what he was collecting. Very Cool!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 19, 2022 07:15 PM (R/m4+)

25 Thanks Hairyback Guy!

Posted by: Weasel at June 19, 2022 07:18 PM (q8ymT)

26 That 686 is a beaut. My spite gun was a Para-Ordnance P-12 bought on Cinco de Mayo 1994, the day my "Republican" representative sold me (us really, but I took it personally) out on the AWB vote.

Posted by: Oddbob at June 19, 2022 07:18 PM (nfrXX)

27 Javems,

Lee PACESETTER DIES 30/40 Krag are available on Amazon for about 44 bucks Prime. Couldn't find them available at the usual places like MidwayUSA. If I had a 98 Krag, I would definitely get the dies.

Just FYI.

Posted by: JTB at June 19, 2022 07:18 PM (7EjX1)

28 I am on the road to really being a part of this thread.

First, I want to thank the thread morons for many suggestions. Following those suggestions, I have a Smith and Wesson Airweight .22 revolver on the way for me, and a Glock Model 48 (9 mm) on the way for Mrs. Splunge.

The most important one there is that Glock. It fits Mrs. Splunge's hand. She finds it easy to pull the trigger, with her compromised finger. And the small grip fits her small hand perfectly.

The 9mm is also a good fit, supply-wise with my S&W Model 6904, which has the great advantage of pointing exactly, precisely where I think it is pointing. Now if I could only find magazines with that proper curving notch on them (discontinued, apparently).

Range time in a couple of weeks. Will report here. Many thanks!

Posted by: Splunge at June 19, 2022 07:18 PM (2hil/)

29 I have TWO S&W 686 revolvers! Great guns, and the first handgun I purchased, Dad bought one for himself on my recommendation. He can’t handle it anymore so he gave it to me. My first one holds seven rounds though.

Posted by: TheMitch at June 19, 2022 07:18 PM (Y9HXE)

30 Is the chicken good?

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at June 19, 2022 07:20 PM (bVYXr)

31 .30-O6 will wear a shooter out.

Yeah, especially with the steel butt plate on USGI rifles. The first time I shot an 88 round High Power match with an M1, I had a rifle rash that took a week to go away. After that, I bought a strap-on* sissy pad.

* keep it clean, ladies are present.

Posted by: Oddbob at June 19, 2022 07:21 PM (nfrXX)

32 Some really nice photos in today's entry, nice positioning.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at June 19, 2022 07:21 PM (m0zqP)

33 Posted by: TheMitch at June 19, 2022 07:18 PM (Y9HXE)
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I have the one pictured above with the 4" barrel, and another with a 2 1/2" barrel which serves as my farm gun. Great guns!

Posted by: Weasel at June 19, 2022 07:21 PM (q8ymT)

34 The most important one there is that Glock. It fits Mrs. Splunge's hand. She finds it easy to pull the trigger, with her compromised finger. And the small grip fits her small hand perfectly.

Posted by: Splunge at June 19, 2022 07:18 PM (2hil/)
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Glocks do work for some people. The success of the company proves this.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 19, 2022 07:21 PM (llXky)

35 I do not know what I would do without my Bug-a-Salt, with laser sight, during fly season. I've had sessions where I shot 40 flies.

I also have their more powerful CO2 salt pistol, which is just the thing for those scorpions that have penetrated the house defenses.

Posted by: Splunge at June 19, 2022 07:21 PM (2hil/)

36 Hitting some of the long-stored shooting irons with (Weasel Approved) Deep Creep today, including Dad's Bullseye competition 1911s.

He taught me to shoot and hunt, and the meaning of sportsmanship. I didn't realize it until much later, but the first deer I ever harvested (age 12) was one that he deliberately allowed to walk past his stand, knowing that it would pass me and give me a shot. He was, and will always be, my hero.

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at June 19, 2022 07:21 PM (dVlo/)

37 Hello, Horde! I did not go to the range, much other things to do getting ready for Giggles to arrive on Wednesday, BUT, I did just get back for a very nice motorcycle ride and dinner at a local dive bar. And heard for most of my kids. At least, those that have tracked me down! Off to read the content!

McGyver, over

Posted by: McGyver at June 19, 2022 07:23 PM (mUYId)

38 I also bought the G48 for those exact same reasons and also so Weasel will stop trying to tape my thumb down.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 19, 2022 07:23 PM (Y+l9t)

39 Hello, Morons.

My gun news:

I followed AH Lloyd's advice and picked up a P226 a couple months ago (the MK25 variant). Need to drift the rear sight a tad.

For that, I ordered a holster from Wright's. That arrived last week. It's snug enough that the slide moves and needed nudged in place when holstering. Got a tin of their break-in butter and been blocking it. Almost ready. Prolly to more days of blocking needed. After that, I'll wear it around the house to break it in. very creaky, owing to newness of the holster and a new belt (see below). Some of the break-in butter will help. Have to be careful not to overdo it, as too much will soften the leather.
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Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at June 19, 2022 07:23 PM (8C7+r)

40 He taught me to shoot and hunt, and the meaning of sportsmanship. I didn't realize it until much later, but the first deer I ever harvested (age 12) was one that he deliberately allowed to walk past his stand, knowing that it would pass me and give me a shot. He was, and will always be, my hero.
Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at June 19, 2022 07:21 PM (dVlo/)
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Excellent story!

Posted by: Weasel at June 19, 2022 07:23 PM (0IeYL)

41 ...cont'd

Yesterday went to the flea market in Mennonite county (next county over). Bought a couple of gun belts. Custom fitted on the spot. Think "ghost belt" as in 80% finished.

Learned something. Fellow claimed there's only 4 tanneries left in the US. Going the way of lead mining and lead battery making, I guess. He claimed the Amish guys get their hides from Mexico and quality is spotty. I can attest to seeing that in belts I have bought at an Amish tack outfit a couple counties south of me, but never asked about hide source.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at June 19, 2022 07:24 PM (8C7+r)

42 34 Glocks do work for some people. The success of the company proves this.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 19, 2022 07:21 PM (llXky)

Knowing Mrs Splunge, I did not think a "double action first, single action from then on" trigger pull would work well for her in a stressful situation, and perhaps not in a normal situation. That narrows the selection considerably. She tried another 9mm, don't know which, with a grip safety, but her natural hold on the grip did not engage the safety, so that was an easy no.

Posted by: Splunge at June 19, 2022 07:24 PM (2hil/)

43 I also have their more powerful CO2 salt pistol, which is just the thing for those scorpions that have penetrated the house defenses.

That sounds like fun. How loud is it?

Posted by: Oddbob at June 19, 2022 07:24 PM (nfrXX)

44 Ahhhh, Gun thread time.......I feel more relaxed already. No range time again, but several ammo deliveries. Gun safe bulging.......I am smiling.

Posted by: Norman Spiny at June 19, 2022 07:25 PM (a8vi6)

45 Great shooting Javems! .30-O6 will wear a shooter out. Nice groups!!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 19, 2022 07:15 PM (R/m4+)

Thanks. That old rifle is heavy. By the last few rounds I couldn't hold on the target and was dimming out. I wouldn't be much use in a fire fight any more. I do have other choices of a weaponry though.

Posted by: Javems at June 19, 2022 07:25 PM (AmoqO)

46 43 I also have their more powerful CO2 salt pistol, which is just the thing for those scorpions that have penetrated the house defenses.

That sounds like fun. How loud is it?
Posted by: Oddbob at June 19, 2022 07:24 PM (nfrXX)

Not loud at all. Probably less loud than those plastic champagne party poppers.

Posted by: Splunge at June 19, 2022 07:26 PM (2hil/)

47 Learned to shoot small bore (.22 rifle and MoSkeet) at Boy Scout Camp.

Deer hunting caliber was with Dad.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at June 19, 2022 07:26 PM (8C7+r)

48 I have a "Bug-a-Salt".

I have other bug weapons

I'll never post pics. Too dangerous.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 19, 2022 07:27 PM (BFigT)

49 I have no pigs to shoot at the moment so that saves ammo. Got some snapcaps to dry fire the .357 just to keep playing with it.

Never saw my dad pick up a gun but I sure miss being able to bird hunt with my brother.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 19, 2022 07:27 PM (WPM4d)

50 I've been doing a bunch of 38 special reloading, mostly 148 gr. HBWCs and some 158 gr rounds. All for target work when I can finally get to the range. I'm doing this all with a Lee hand press (the nutcracker style) in my recliner. Slow but the job gets done. And since there's no telling how many times this brass has been used (it's a lot) the slow approach lets me examine each case for defects, clean out the primer pockets, etc. Sure helps not to be in a hurry.

Posted by: JTB at June 19, 2022 07:30 PM (7EjX1)

51 After I read that Senile Biden is trying to close down one of the largest ammo factories, I ordered more ammo yesterday. i have been using Rogers Sporting Goods, good supply, great prices and free shipping over $99. Ship in 48 hours so quick delivery.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 19, 2022 07:31 PM (Y+l9t)

52 Knowing Mrs Splunge, I did not think a "double action first, single action from then on" trigger pull would work well for her in a stressful situation, and perhaps not in a normal situation. That narrows the selection considerably. She tried another 9mm, don't know which, with a grip safety, but her natural hold on the grip did not engage the safety, so that was an easy no.

Posted by: Splunge at June 19, 2022 07:24 PM (2hil/)
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Another option (with a revolver in particular) is to just assume it will be used only in single action. As in: that's how they practice, that's how they shoot it.

Yes, yes, the "what if?" brigade hates that, but single actions have been the rule since firearms were invented. You can get used to shooting that way.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 19, 2022 07:31 PM (llXky)

53 Splunge, thanks for the info on the CO2 pistol. May just have to have one of those.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 19, 2022 07:31 PM (WPM4d)

54 After I read that Senile Biden is trying to close down one of the largest ammo factories,

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 19, 2022 07:31 PM (Y+l9t)
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Specifics?

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 19, 2022 07:32 PM (llXky)

55 Posted by: JTB at June 19, 2022 07:30 PM (7EjX1)
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Excellent advice, JTB. Reloading is not something you want to do when you're in a hurry!

Posted by: Weasel at June 19, 2022 07:32 PM (0IeYL)

56 That guy with the a-salt gun looks familiar! I’m not sure he is mature enough for that kind of firepower!

Posted by: Rancherbob at June 19, 2022 07:33 PM (QHuJ9)

57 PSA has their flamethrowers on sale again for Fathers Day. This has been a public service announcement...

Posted by: Norman Spiny at June 19, 2022 07:34 PM (a8vi6)

58 Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 19, 2022 07:32 PM (llXky)

I believe that the intent is to end sales of 5.56mm manufactured at the Lake City ammo plant, which is owned by the Army, but operated by Winchester.

Posted by: Ed L at June 19, 2022 07:34 PM (/lmRp)

59 Thanks. That old rifle is heavy. By the last few rounds I couldn't hold on the target and was dimming out. I wouldn't be much use in a fire fight any more. I do have other choices of a weaponry though.

Posted by: Javems at June 19, 2022 07:25 PM (AmoqO)
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When you hold old rifles, you understand why it was generally assumed you would be firing while sitting, kneeling, prone or in some way supported.

If you were firing "off hand," hand, it was a snap shot, not a situation where you were taking deliberate aim.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 19, 2022 07:34 PM (llXky)

60 After I read that Senile Biden is trying to close down one of the largest ammo factories,

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 19, 2022 07:31 PM (Y+l9t)
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Specifics?

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 19, 2022 07:32 PM

Yes please provide specifics. Have not seen anything on that myself.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at June 19, 2022 07:34 PM (bVYXr)

61 56 That guy with the a-salt gun looks familiar! I’m not sure he is mature enough for that kind of firepower!
Posted by: Rancherbob at June 19, 2022 07:33 PM (QHuJ9)
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Agreed, Rancherbob! Clearly a dangerous lunatic!

Posted by: Weasel at June 19, 2022 07:34 PM (0IeYL)

62 Howdy Weasel. Great thread.

Posted by: Rancherbob at June 19, 2022 07:35 PM (QHuJ9)

63 Where can I buy me one of those semi fully auto assault weapons that fires 10 bullets per second? I keep hearing about them on social
Media and the msm.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 19, 2022 07:35 PM (T4seV)

64 Posted by: Rancherbob at June 19, 2022 07:35 PM (QHuJ9)
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Thanks amigo! Happy to see you!

Posted by: Weasel at June 19, 2022 07:37 PM (0IeYL)

65 Biden is trying to stop production of green tip 5.56 sales to the public.

Posted by: Rancherbob at June 19, 2022 07:37 PM (QHuJ9)

66 I believe that the intent is to end sales of 5.56mm manufactured at the Lake City ammo plant, which is owned by the Army, but operated by Winchester.

Posted by: Ed L at June 19, 2022 07:34 PM (/lmRp)
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Why would the Army shut off its ammo supplier?

Or are they trying to create a shortage by banning the civilian sales?

Because given the volume at stake, the big players can and will make the investment necessary to capture that market share.

Or we can just buy stuff from RUSSIA, which strangely isn't at all hard to find.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 19, 2022 07:38 PM (llXky)

67 Via Insty, White House moving to constrict .223/5.56...

https://tinyurl.com/2p979r5r

Posted by: davidt at June 19, 2022 07:38 PM (oTZbj)

68 I have addressed ammo cost in a couple of ways. I got a .22LR conversion kit from CMMG to use in AR pattern rifles/pistols. It replaces the BCG, feeds round nose ammo reliably, and comes with 3 quality .22LR magazines. That's what I practice with now. I also stopped shooting pistol drills that require 25 or 50 rounds. I shoot one regularly that requires 6 rounds, and today I tried one that requires 16. I have some others in the mix that are relatively low round counts.

Posted by: IronDave at June 19, 2022 07:38 PM (k3crU)

69
I believe that the intent is to end sales of 5.56mm manufactured at the Lake City ammo plant, which is owned by the Army, but operated by Winchester.

Posted by: Ed L at June 19, 2022 07:34 PM

IIRC, it's specifically to halt sales of "surplus" 5.56 with the 62 gr M855 "green tip" to the civilian market

I'm sure they'll stop there, and that's all they'll try to ban /sarc

Posted by: AltonJackson at June 19, 2022 07:38 PM (ENBF0)

70 I can contribute!

I purchased my first firearm today.

A Springfield XD. Went to a range for the first time and knocked out a couple of dozen rounds, just enough to sate my curiosity on my new weapon.

The fun part was that Junior's karate instructor was at Palmetto Armory at the same time I was. A former cop, he approved of my purchase, which was neat.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 19, 2022 07:38 PM (LvTSG)

71 I'm doing this all with a Lee hand press (the nutcracker style) in my recliner. Slow but the job gets done.

Unwillowed from last week's gun thread:

For those looking to get into reloading without breaking the bank, consider something like this:

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/ 1013004049?pid=121744c

Delete the space after product/. Everything you need except dies, components, and a way to clean cases.

Posted by: Oddbob at June 19, 2022 07:38 PM (nfrXX)

72 Evening everyone!! And Happy Fathers Day to all those that are.

No range report, the closest I got to shooting was going to see Top Gun: Maverick and moving my rifle from the Pelican case to it's regular case.

Mighty fine looking rifles there. Have to say, the old stuff with the wood stocks look so much better than polymer.

Weasel, will try to get a the range report from last week after the NoVaMome to you. Was busy enjoying a much needed vacation.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 19, 2022 07:38 PM (fe7in)

73 Except for Timmy's Dad was a WW II VET. Mine too.

Posted by: Eromero at June 19, 2022 07:39 PM (0OP+5)

74 Posted by: IronDave at June 19, 2022 07:38 PM (k3crU)
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Great strategy!

Posted by: Weasel at June 19, 2022 07:39 PM (0IeYL)

75 Congratulations, TJM !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - ultra maga ftw ! at June 19, 2022 07:39 PM (H4bsh)

76 The gub! Thanks, Weasel. I think I've mentioned here before that my S&W 686-6 is one of my all-time favorites. Over the years, I actually became consistently proficient with it. Guess that's what happens when a firearm is so fun to shoot that you end up passing hundreds (and more hundreds) of rounds though it. Heh.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at June 19, 2022 07:40 PM (Xrfse)

77
I've shot a fair amount of the IMI 5.56 M855 with no complaints

Posted by: AltonJackson at June 19, 2022 07:40 PM (ENBF0)

78 56 That guy with the a-salt gun looks familiar! I’m not sure he is mature enough for that kind of firepower!

Posted by: Rancherbob at June 19, 2022 07:33 PM

That he does!! Better keep an eye on him.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 19, 2022 07:40 PM (fe7in)

79 BTW, even though I'm using a Lee carbide sizing die for the 38 special cases, a quick application of Imperial Sizing Die Wax makes a big difference. It probably cuts the force needed in half, maybe more. On a bench press set up it might not be so noticeable but sure is with the hand press especially when doing several hundred.

The stuff is gold.

Posted by: JTB at June 19, 2022 07:40 PM (7EjX1)

80 Biden is trying to stop production of green tip 5.56 sales to the public.

Posted by: Rancherbob at June 19, 2022 07:37 PM (QHuJ9)
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Why would I want to buy that crappy, underpowered 5.56 shit? I hear 9mm will blow your lung clean out of your chest!

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 19, 2022 07:40 PM (llXky)

81 Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 19, 2022 07:38 PM (fe7in)
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Sounds great, Scoob. Thanks!

Posted by: Weasel at June 19, 2022 07:40 PM (0IeYL)

82 My Dad was career Army. Thirty years. He was an Expert class pistol, 1911, competitor. I have one of his Trophies, a medal actually > "Second Army, .45 Cal, Slow Fire Champion". He could afford a match pistol so he used the best service model he could put together.

He use to take me out to an old abandoned quarry and let me watch him shoot the .45 when I was a pre-teen. I remember he shot some tracer round once. I was astounded.

Bought me a .22 bold action when I was 12. My son has it now.

He grew up hard, without a father. He was a great one to me.

Posted by: Javems at June 19, 2022 07:41 PM (AmoqO)

83 Declares any pigs found on Ben's property is now a endangered species
Signed
EPA

Posted by: Skip at June 19, 2022 07:41 PM (2JoB8)

84 I purchased my first firearm today. A Springfield XD.

Congrats! Enjoy.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at June 19, 2022 07:42 PM (Xrfse)

85 Normally at the range I go through 500-600 rounds of 9mm. My last range trip I sent 290 down range - 90 coming from the rounds that flew with me (with the 10 hollows I keep for self-defense), and 200 from a box of ammo I bought near the range. Mitigation combined with enough rounds for each of my three guns.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 19, 2022 07:42 PM (CdZ4i)

86 I'm sure they'll stop there, and that's all they'll try to ban /sarc

Posted by: AltonJackson at June 19, 2022 07:38 PM (ENBF0)
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What they'll do is raise the price (and profits) of overseas suppliers while screwing up the Army's supply system.

I'm pretty sure the reason they allow surplus sales is to keep the lines open and employees on hand so that if they need to "surge" they have that capability. If those sales stop, either the gov't pays people to do nothing, or that capability goes away. We will then face severe ammo shortages in any future conflict.

Which is to say, sure, the Pentagon will roll over like a puppy wanting a belly rub.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 19, 2022 07:44 PM (llXky)

87
Range time in a couple of weeks. Will report here. Many thanks!
Posted by: Splunge at June 19, 2022 07:18 PM (2hil/)
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Look forward to your report! Congratulations!

Posted by: Weasel at June 19, 2022 07:44 PM (0IeYL)

88 Actually seen the other day some poisonous snakes in PA are getting in dangerous numbers, probably from wantonly hunting.

Posted by: Skip at June 19, 2022 07:44 PM (2JoB8)

89 TJM!
Congratulations! I've shot Mark Andrew Edwards' Springfield XD many times. It's a great pistol!!

Good for you!!!!

Posted by: nurse ratched at June 19, 2022 07:44 PM (U2p+3)

90 G'night everyone !

thanks as always for the thread, Weasel !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - ultra maga ftw ! at June 19, 2022 07:44 PM (H4bsh)

91 For Father's Day, my son gave me a card with a $100 bill in it and a coupon good for a trip to Bass Pro to pick up a gun safe and bring it home in his pickup truck.

Good kid.

I really need to get back to a range, I haven't shot in over a year. Just too busy.

Maybe when I retire I will get a chance.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at June 19, 2022 07:44 PM (5p7BC)

92 I believe that the intent is to end sales of 5.56mm manufactured at the Lake City ammo plant, which is owned by the Army, but operated by Winchester.

The headline I saw in passing a few days ago specifically mentioned M855 which is extra evil because it is "armor piercing."

Posted by: Oddbob at June 19, 2022 07:45 PM (nfrXX)

93 TJM, that's great you've entered the world of evil firearm ownership.

What caliber/model? My XD9 (5-inch, or "Tactical") was my first gub purchase, and still my only 9mikemike. Slide retention pin (?) broke after about a bazillion rounds fired, indoor range guy took things apart for me and I replaced it (free from Springfield) myself. Other than that, thing has worked wonderfully for years and years.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 19, 2022 07:45 PM (OTzUX)

94 I've shot a fair amount of the IMI 5.56 M855 with no complaints

Posted by: AltonJackson at June 19, 2022 07:40 PM

I bought 2,000 rounds of that when covid hit. The Israelis had a contract to supply the Saudis with that ammo and when covid hit they cancelled the contract and the Israelis were selling it cheap. I have multiple ammo cans marked in Arabic filled with that stuff in 20 round boxes.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at June 19, 2022 07:45 PM (bVYXr)

95 38 I also bought the G48 for those exact same reasons and also so Weasel will stop trying to tape my thumb down.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 19, 2022 07:23 PM (Y+l9t)
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Good!

Posted by: Weasel at June 19, 2022 07:45 PM (0IeYL)

96 On Robert Zommerman’s Behind the Black blog (a must read if you are into space exploration) he posted a recent entry on how gun stores are being shut down on the slightest excuse by ATF.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 19, 2022 07:46 PM (CdZ4i)

97 "I'm pretty sure the reason they allow surplus sales is to keep the lines open and employees on hand so that if they need to "surge" they have that capability. If those sales stop, either the gov't pays people to do nothing, or that capability goes away. We will then face severe ammo shortages in any future conflict.

Which is to say, sure, the Pentagon will roll over like a puppy wanting a belly rub.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 19, 2022 07:44 PM (llXky) "

spot-on. every action they take is designed with one end: destruction of America, BAMN.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - ultra maga ftw ! at June 19, 2022 07:46 PM (H4bsh)

98 85 Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 19, 2022 07:42 PM

500-600 rounds? Damn, I think I usually do 100-150. Then again, I have only one handgun.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 19, 2022 07:46 PM (fe7in)

99 JTB, Imperial Sizing Wax is wonderful. Load on a mounted turret press so I skip it for straight-wall cases like 38, but for 30-06, 9mm, 30 carbine, it's great. A little dab'll do ya. I tumble the cases for 15 minutes after to remove it.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 19, 2022 07:46 PM (OTzUX)

100 30 Is the chicken good?
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at June 19, 2022 07:20 PM (bVYXr)
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Yep!

Posted by: Weasel at June 19, 2022 07:46 PM (0IeYL)

101 Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 19, 2022 07:38 PM (LvTSG)
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Congratulations!!!!

Posted by: Weasel at June 19, 2022 07:48 PM (0IeYL)

102 Another day in Oregon with weather that is 20 degrees below average. March, April, May and most of June all 20-30 degrees below average. My heat came on last night; It's June fucking 19th.

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at June 19, 2022 07:48 PM (h1jJh)

103 I hear 9mm will blow your lung clean out of your chest!
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 19, 2022 07:40 PM

As a proto-.41 Magnum shooter, you are enjoined to consider the source of that statement and do a bit of consilience.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 19, 2022 07:48 PM (a3Q+t)

104 Think I have a case of green tip bought a few years ago. And half a case of Lake City green tip, courtesy of some Navy or Coast Guard detachment's night training, after which they left more than a case's worth of green tip on the ground (must have been a lot of clearing and other drills). Split it with another RO - took us 20 minutes to pick it all up.

Now, some day I'll have a rifle from which to fire it ....

Posted by: rhomboid at June 19, 2022 07:48 PM (OTzUX)

105 I think I've mentioned here before that my S&W 686-6 is one of my all-time favorites. Over the years, I actually became consistently proficient with it. Guess that's what happens when a firearm is so fun to shoot that you end up passing hundreds (and more hundreds) of rounds though it. Heh.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at June 19, 2022 07:40 PM (Xrfse)
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Absolutely!

Posted by: Weasel at June 19, 2022 07:48 PM (0IeYL)

106 I followed AH Lloyd's advice and picked up a P226 a couple months ago (the MK25 variant). Need to drift the rear sight a tad.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at June 19, 2022 07:23 PM (8C7+r)
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That is a fine piece of machinery. Is that a steel frame? I can't imagine carrying one would be particularly comfortable by the end of the day...

I (briefly) hauled around a Browning BDM and when I began to look like Quasimodo, reconsidered my life choices.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 19, 2022 07:49 PM (llXky)

107 Posted by: AltonJackson at June 19, 2022 07:38 PM (ENBF0)

That's interesting, since folks I know who've had a lot more trigger time w/ the M4 and M16 than me consider "green tips" as less than the best because of 1) poor performance out of carbine length (14.5" to 16") barrels, 2) poor "man stoppers" due to the rapid drop in muzzle velocity out of carbines, especially further than 50 meters (due to bullet velocity falling below 2000 fps) and 3) poor accuracy at longer ranges (100 - 500 meters) due to the design of the round (steel core inside a lead bullet) because of manufacturing tolerances. "Green tips" were designed for 20" barrels in the M16A2. They don't do well out of anything w/ short barrels.

Posted by: Ed L at June 19, 2022 07:49 PM (/lmRp)

108 80 Why would I want to buy that crappy, underpowered 5.56 shit? I hear 9mm will blow your lung clean out of your chest!
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 19, 2022 07:40 PM (llXky)

I know, I live in an area with a lot of gun ownership, so naturally it is a weekly chore to walk the land and pick up any stray lungs. In a good week, I can fill a 13 gallon bag with just lungs. Every time I pick one up, I shake my head slowly, and say "9mm. When will people learn" under my breath.

Posted by: Splunge at June 19, 2022 07:49 PM (2hil/)

109 Not sure if this has been posted here before. If you're a shotty aficionado, it's a hoot. Jerry and Lena with Steve Gould.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Glbqqz8Vy9k

Posted by: Notorious BFD at June 19, 2022 07:50 PM (Xrfse)

110 Congrats to TJM on your new XD! I've got an XD-M in 10mm and love it!

Posted by: Norman Spiny at June 19, 2022 07:50 PM (a8vi6)

111 Good evening gub threaders. Gub stuff this week. 500 rds of 124 grain 9mm NATO which I read to be a bit hotter than regular. It says on the site I purchased it from not for use in micro nines but Sig P365 sources say it's perfectly fine. 9mm NATO is supposed to be not quite as hot as +P and P365s are rated for that. Thoughts?

Posted by: blaster at June 19, 2022 07:50 PM (6TxNR)

112 ooops...meant to tiny that URL

Posted by: Notorious BFD at June 19, 2022 07:51 PM (Xrfse)

113 As a proto-.41 Magnum shooter, you are enjoined to consider the source of that statement and do a bit of consilience.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 19, 2022 07:48 PM (a3Q+t)
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I'm not going to say I'll never own a .41 Mag, just that it is so far down my list of priorities that I will have added a servants' quarters to Chateau Lloyd before I get one.

My most satisfactory recent purchase was a Berette Jetfire in .25 ACP, aka the Giggle Gun. Shoot it and you'll chuckle because it's just so much fun.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 19, 2022 07:51 PM (llXky)

114 I guess I need to get my act together and buy a bunch of .223, 9mm, and .380

Biden is going to spend the next 2 years trying to screw around with ammo supply.

Any current deals on the mail order sites that people like? I have to use brass at my range.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at June 19, 2022 07:52 PM (5p7BC)

115 111 Blaster, you will be fine with NATO ammo. The +P is not worth the extra recoil and wear and tear on small pistolas.

Posted by: whig at June 19, 2022 07:52 PM (xA2KX)

116 Posted by: Dave in Fla at June 19, 2022 07:52 PM (5p7BC)
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You might try a couple of ammo search tools linked in the thread. Good luck!

Posted by: Weasel at June 19, 2022 07:53 PM (0IeYL)

117 My most satisfactory recent purchase was a Berette Jetfire in .25 ACP, aka the Giggle Gun. Shoot it and you'll chuckle because it's just so much fun.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd
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I did reloads for my late FIL in 25 ACP. Never again. Tiny bullets and small cases that can be overloaded very easily. 32 is now as small as I care to go.

Posted by: whig at June 19, 2022 07:54 PM (xA2KX)

118 9mm NATO is supposed to be not quite as hot as +P and P365s are rated for that. Thoughts?

Posted by: blaster at June 19, 2022 07:50 PM (6TxNR)
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It's loaded so that it can cycle submachineguns in arctic temperatures. A little extra oomph.

I think a pistol carbine would lap it up, but seems a bit much for a handgun.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 19, 2022 07:54 PM (llXky)

119 As I had learned my lesson in the 2013 panic, and stockpiled components, the situation hasn't really affected my shooting, which just continues to vary depending on schedule and druthers. But going back to when I first was getting back into gubs, being in CA, I took a long (dark) view, and made sure to buy as much as I could fit or afford as soon as I knew what I would be needing. That paid off as (surprise!) CA laws got more and more ridiculous.

Now should point out that you can buy ammo fairly normally here, including online with delivery to your home (well, outside LA or SF, I think), you just have to jump through some stoopid hoops, which are easy but, stoopid.

There's been a dramatic drop-off in traffic at the range, on weekdays especially, which we all of course speculate to be the result of ammo, and gas, prices. And the drop-off was made more noticeable by the surge in range traffic starting in summer 2020, which persisted for quite a while.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 19, 2022 07:54 PM (OTzUX)

120 71 ... Oddbob,

Good choice for a reloading set up. That press will handle any cartridge you want from 32 ACP to 45-70 or bigger. I'm not a fan of the Lee powder scale. Much prefer the RCBS M500 scale. In my opinion, it's worth the extra cost and will last forever.

Posted by: JTB at June 19, 2022 07:54 PM (7EjX1)

121 Lee PACESETTER DIES 30/40 Krag are available on Amazon for about 44 bucks Prime. Couldn't find them available at the usual places like MidwayUSA. If I had a 98 Krag, I would definitely get the dies.

Just FYI.

Posted by: JTB at June 19, 2022 07:18 PM (7EjX1)

Thanks. I found a two die set from RCBS for the 1917 at Midway, after searching there for a while. Got the Lee trim die. I just found 80 fired cases today I didn't know I had, plus I ordered 50 more. Should keep me busy for a while.

Posted by: Javems at June 19, 2022 07:55 PM (AmoqO)

122 Why would I want to buy that crappy, underpowered 5.56 shit? I hear 9mm will blow your lung clean out of your chest!

I wish I would have listened to Joe sooner, before I wasted twenty years carrying a .357 in the small of my back. To think, I could have had more shots, and the convenience of mag fed, instead of wasting my time with magnum hollow points and speed loaders when I could have had as many as nineteen lung blowers and a polymer frame.

Posted by: Old School at June 19, 2022 07:56 PM (wW2ti)

123 Posted by: rhomboid at June 19, 2022 07:54 PM (OTzUX)
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Interesting. Anyone else noticing smaller crowds at the range?

Posted by: Weasel at June 19, 2022 07:56 PM (0IeYL)

124 My dad taught all three boys how to shoot.
He recently passed away at the ripe old age of 91

All of his guns were unfortunately stolen in a break-in a couple of years ago.
As the only son that actually enjoys shooting, I was looking forward to those guns. None were particularly beautiful or special, just belonged to my grandfather and father originally

Posted by: PMRich at June 19, 2022 07:56 PM (eh5ud)

125 Great job, TJM!

Practice, practice, practice, and, practice some more!

Lake City is probably going to be set up to produce that stupid round the army has decided they need.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 19, 2022 07:57 PM (5pTK/)

126
Posted by: Ed L at June 19, 2022 07:49 PM

I'm running a 20" barrel; what I've seen is inconsistencies in accuracy (beyond the Margin of Alton), probably due to the design manufacturing issues you mentioned. It's hard to manufacture every round with the steel core perfectly centered in the bullet

Posted by: AltonJackson at June 19, 2022 07:57 PM (ENBF0)

127 You might try a couple of ammo search tools linked in the thread. Good luck!

Posted by: Weasel at June 19, 2022 07:53 PM (0IeYL)
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An alternate approach (which I've used for a while) is to find a local shop that is fairly consistent in having what you need. Make it a habit to stop there each week, and buy a box or two.

Will you pay more than one of those big online orders? Probably.

But some of us can't dump $500 all at once. But you can swing $20-30 a week or so. Over time, you will build up quite a respectable stock and it won't really impact your budget.

I'm sure some will suggest that just throwing the money in a cookie jar would enable the bulk buy, but the problem is that you never know when a panic will hit. So just chipping away is a good way to go.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 19, 2022 07:58 PM (llXky)

128 Posted by: PMRich at June 19, 2022 07:56 PM (eh5ud)
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Bummer, but howdy and welcome to the Gun Thread PMRich!

Posted by: Weasel at June 19, 2022 07:58 PM (0IeYL)

129
My most satisfactory recent purchase was a Berette Jetfire in .25 ACP, aka the Giggle Gun. Shoot it and you'll chuckle because it's just so much fun.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 19, 2022 07:51 PM (llXky)
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Funny, I have the same reaction when I shoot my Garand.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 19, 2022 07:58 PM (5pTK/)

130 My Dad was not anti-gun, more like guns? sure why not. He had an old German bolt action that he used for hunting for a while when I was a kid. And before you ask, I ain't got no clue what it was. Li'l brother refurbished it and uses it now.

This is my first Fathers' Day since Dad passed. I miss him. A lot of my family is in Montana having a bbq in his honor. I could not be there.

Semper Fidelis, Marine.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Trailer Trash Adjacent at June 19, 2022 07:58 PM (x8Wzq)

131 I purchased my first firearm today.

Congrats, TJM. Ya know, it's totally OK if you want to give your gun a cool name like "Light Bringer" or something.

Posted by: Oddbob at June 19, 2022 07:58 PM (nfrXX)

132 Posted by: blaster at June 19, 2022 07:50 PM (6TxNR)

Agree 100% w/ whig. 9 mm +P ammo should really be used in PCC/SMGs, where the longer barrel can make use of the additional zip +P ammo gives you. Even then, I'd limit the number of hot rounds you use unless the firearm is specifically rated to take +P ammo. One reason I like the HK SP-5 is that the gun is built to take +P+ ammo. So +P rounds don't bother the SP-5 at all.

Posted by: Ed L at June 19, 2022 07:59 PM (/lmRp)

133 Here!
Late, but well fed!

Posted by: RI Red at June 19, 2022 07:59 PM (3Hz5j)

134 guess I need to get my act together and buy a bunch of .223, 9mm, and .380

Biden is going to spend the next 2 years trying to screw around with ammo supply.

Any current deals on the mail order sites that people like? I have to use brass at my range.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at June 19, 2022 07:52 PM

Palmetto State Armory has 500 rds of Green Tip + 10 Magpul Gen2 mags for $399 for Father's Day:

https://tinyurl.com/2yjm9nt4

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 19, 2022 07:59 PM (a3Q+t)

135 Posted by: RI Red at June 19, 2022 07:59 PM (3Hz5j)
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Howdy, bro!

Posted by: Weasel at June 19, 2022 08:00 PM (0IeYL)

136 9mm Nato goes about 75-100 fps faster than more or less std 124 gr 9mm found in the states. Euro guns actually like it a bit better as that is what Euro land considers 9mm to be rather than the 115 gr commonly used in the US.

More or less US mfg 9mm 124 gr goes about 1140-1150 fps--NATO goes 1200-1250 depending on the country and mfg. Part of the confusion comes from comparing CIP (Euroland) to (US)SAAMI stds--they place the piezoelectric sensors for pressure in different places and are correlated but not exactly comparable. You see similar issues with 7.62 NATO and 5.56x45.

Posted by: whig at June 19, 2022 08:00 PM (xA2KX)

137 70 I can contribute!

I purchased my first firearm today.

A Springfield XD. Went to a range for the first time and knocked out a couple of dozen rounds, just enough to sate my curiosity on my new weapon.

The fun part was that Junior's karate instructor was at Palmetto Armory at the same time I was. A former cop, he approved of my purchase, which was neat.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 19, 2022 07:38 PM (LvTSG)
Well done, TMJ! You bought your Springfield XD within 5 miles of where I bought my first semiauto, a .380 Colt pocket model.

Posted by: Eromero at June 19, 2022 08:00 PM (0OP+5)

138 Congrats, TJM. Ya know, it's totally OK if you want to give your gun a cool name like "Light Bringer" or something.
Posted by: Oddbob at June 19, 2022 07:58 PM

It's a firearm, right? And who brought fire to mankind?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 19, 2022 08:01 PM (a3Q+t)

139 An alternate approach (which I've used for a while) is to find a local shop that is fairly consistent in having what you need. Make it a habit to stop there each week, and buy a box or two.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 19, 2022 07:58 PM (llXky)

This is also my approach. I'm also reluctant to purchase guns or ammo online, and only buy with cash, because I don't want the bank or anyone else knowing.

Posted by: davidt at June 19, 2022 08:02 PM (oTZbj)

140 138 Congrats, TJM. Ya know, it's totally OK if you want to give your gun a cool name like "Light Bringer" or something.
Posted by: Oddbob at June 19, 2022 07:58 PM

It's a firearm, right? And who brought fire to mankind?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 19, 2022 08:01 PM (a3Q+t)

========

*nods sagaciously*

Zardoz.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 19, 2022 08:02 PM (LvTSG)

141 Well, Giggles is gonna call any minute now and we've lot's to go over before the "Retirement Trip of a Lifetime", see ya in a couple weeks. Maybe even with some trophy shots. L8tR all

McGyver, out

Posted by: McGyver at June 19, 2022 08:02 PM (mUYId)

142 Thanks for the thread, weasel! Great job, as usual!

I keep looking for an average thread, at some point, but, I guess I'll continue to wait!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 19, 2022 08:02 PM (5pTK/)

143 Also a gub maintenance day. My 1st gen EP9 had 2 screws come out of the pic rail and it was kind dangling on the last one. I happened to have a bunch of M3 screws which were correct. A little blue Loctite to make it stay.

Posted by: blaster at June 19, 2022 08:02 PM (6TxNR)

144 Have the last of my HXP once-fired 30-06 brass tumbling right now. The rest is all twice-fired (original load, and my reload) and ready for loading. I sort of want to have all my brass at the same stage (in terms of how many firings), to avoid confusion or complication as we get to the limits of the brass.

The lazy me wants to just recycle it all after 4 firings, and start looking for decent prices on new or once-fired to accumulate a replacement stock. The less lazy me is told by several salty veterans of M1 reloading that they easily get 6 firings from their brass.

It's the thought of the paper clip text X 800 that's daunting. Of course, perfect work for a cigar on the back porch .....

Posted by: rhomboid at June 19, 2022 08:02 PM (OTzUX)

145 Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 19, 2022 08:02 PM (5pTK/)
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Thanks, brother. Appreciate it!

Posted by: Weasel at June 19, 2022 08:02 PM (0IeYL)

146 That's really helpful as you continue to buy them (and you will) and will need an easy way to tell them apart.

"Honey, get the Beretta!"

"Which one?"

"The one in .380."

"Which one?"

If you just ask for Light Bringer, it is a lot easier.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 19, 2022 08:04 PM (llXky)

147 My firearms tell me they haz a sad, they never got names

Posted by: Skip at June 19, 2022 08:04 PM (2JoB8)

148 Posted by: rhomboid at June 19, 2022 08:02 PM (OTzUX)
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Excellent brass management strategy. That's what I do, particularly with match brass.

Posted by: Weasel at June 19, 2022 08:04 PM (0IeYL)

149 Posted by: Weasel at June 19, 2022 07:56 PM (0IeYL)

I can confirm. I went to my nearby range today. Weekends usually have people standing in line waiting their turn on the firing line for an hour or more. Today, only about half of the lanes were occupied. Went in w/o any wait time at all.

Posted by: Ed L at June 19, 2022 08:04 PM (/lmRp)

150 Range Report....

I drew a CO cow elk tag (no great achievement, 80+ percent odds in the Unit I'll be hunting), so I decide to take our my Tikka Light rifle chambered in 300 WSM. Wonderful rifle to carry in the mountains, but not so fun at the range. Every three shot group went as follows: First two shots within a half-inch of each other, third shot opens the group up yo 1.25-1.5". And boy howdy does that thin barrel heat up fast!

Posted by: PacosMojo at June 19, 2022 08:05 PM (1Fv0G)

151 131 I purchased my first firearm today.

Congrats, TJM. Ya know, it's totally OK if you want to give your gun a cool name like "Light Bringer" or something.
Posted by: Oddbob

I named my Ruger Mark IV George.

I love George.

Posted by: nurse ratched at June 19, 2022 08:05 PM (U2p+3)

152 *nods sagaciously*

Zardoz.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 19, 2022 08:02 PM (LvTSG)
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Are we going to get into the whole "The gun is good, the penis is evil" thing?

I did a column on Connery's Webley-Fosbery. I'd love to shoot one at some point. Contra Alec Baldwin, Connery's is usually unloaded.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 19, 2022 08:06 PM (llXky)

153 I have the bug-a-salt gun. It works.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at June 19, 2022 08:07 PM (ybIRR)

154 Posted by: Ed L at June 19, 2022 08:04 PM (/lmRp)
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Interesting. Wonder what's causing that. Summer vacations or are people hunkering down?

Posted by: Weasel at June 19, 2022 08:07 PM (0IeYL)

155 EdL is also correct that M855 62gr is not considered the most accurate of the 5.56 ammo at short or long range nor as great a 'manstopper' in the short barrels. It was designed primarily to defeat expected 1980 era body armor of Soviets and to penetrate their helmets. At a couple of hundred meters out of the longer barrelled A1 and A2, those rifles would accomplish that.

In the M4 or M4rgerys, you would do better dropping to the 55 gr bullets or go heavy if your barrel twist is 1:9 or less. A compromise if you can find it, is the 63 gr bullet that Winchester used to make which fires well in older 1:12 barrel twists due to its profile.

Posted by: whig at June 19, 2022 08:08 PM (xA2KX)

156 My guess would be mostly gas prices reducing range use.

Posted by: davidt at June 19, 2022 08:08 PM (oTZbj)

157 I can confirm. I went to my nearby range today. Weekends usually have people standing in line waiting their turn on the firing line for an hour or more. Today, only about half of the lanes were occupied. Went in w/o any wait time at all.

Posted by: Ed L at June 19, 2022 08:04 PM (/lmRp)
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Um, Father's Day?

I for one skipped my range time for Mandatory Family Fun.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 19, 2022 08:08 PM (llXky)

158 I should add that the range in question is a good 40-50 minute drive from the population centers in the county, so gas prices are definitely on the suspect list.

There's also no noticeable presence of new gun owners/shooters now, as before. Many you can tell just by the way they handle themselves as they check in or get their gear out. It all works out because I always ask such people if they're new to gunz, and so far they're all happy to say "yes" and eager for guidance and tips on etiquette and other basics.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 19, 2022 08:08 PM (OTzUX)

159 One more and I'll stop. Jerry vs. Lena. I really get a kick out of their vids. Their skills are somethin' else and the humor is a bonus.

https://tinyurl.com/cjn4cjwf

Posted by: Notorious BFD at June 19, 2022 08:08 PM (Xrfse)

160 *nods sagaciously*

Zardoz.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 19, 2022 08:02 PM

Assuming you wear a duplicate of Connery's costume to the range, that would be acceptable.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 19, 2022 08:09 PM (a3Q+t)

161 Interesting. Wonder what's causing that. Summer vacations or are people hunkering down?
Posted by: Weasel at June 19, 2022 08:07 PM (0IeYL)
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Well, it probably costs $20 bucks to drive to the range, then another $15 per person to shoot, and, after that, take out a second mortgage to replace the ammo used while at the range.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 19, 2022 08:10 PM (5pTK/)

162 Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 19, 2022 07:57 PM (5pTK/)

I understand Big Army is working on awarding the contract to build the new production lines at Lake City for the new 6.8mm X 51 round, if they haven't done so already. It'll be interesting to see how the Army sets up its QA/QC for the new round. Hopefully, there won't be a repeat of the debacle the introduction of the 5.56mm M193 proved to be in Vietnam 50+ years ago.

Posted by: Ed L at June 19, 2022 08:10 PM (/lmRp)

163 Assuming you wear a duplicate of Connery's costume to the range, that would be acceptable.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 19, 2022 08:09 PM (a3Q+t)
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And the mustache.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 19, 2022 08:10 PM (llXky)

164 Yeah not sure about Father's Day. Sort of like Mother's Day is the best time to try to get on local golf courses that are usually difficult to get a tee time for.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 19, 2022 08:11 PM (OTzUX)

165 A project done just for a bit of fun. When possible, I like to use powder scoops to charge cases. If the Lee scoops, which can be very accurate, don't come in the right size, I'm going to make my own. This assumes I know what charge of which powder I want. Once established, it's easy to drill out a hardwood dowel until the desired charge is reached and add a handle made from a smaller dowel. It helps I found an old Stanley hand drill, the eggbeater type, which is easy to control.

I was going to do something similar for muzzleloading rifles using antler tips, which is traditional. But I have pieces of Honduran mahogany (it's not just cigars) that can be drilled and carved in whimsical ways for each rifle. I like the idea of a wizard or gnome for the thing.

Posted by: JTB at June 19, 2022 08:11 PM (7EjX1)

166 I always ask such people if they're new to gunz, and so far they're all happy to say "yes" and eager for guidance and tips on etiquette and other basics.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 19, 2022 08:08 PM (OTzUX)
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I cannot overemphasize the importance of making new shooters feel welcome at the range. Good job, rhomboid!

Posted by: Weasel at June 19, 2022 08:11 PM (0IeYL)

167 Evening.

OT: Don't mind me, just dropping a cool photo.

https://tinyurl.com/mryfejfy

Posted by: Robert at June 19, 2022 08:12 PM (61CCq)

168 I understand Big Army is working on awarding the contract to build the new production lines at Lake City for the new 6.8mm X 51 round, if they haven't done so already. It'll be interesting to see how the Army sets up its QA/QC for the new round. Hopefully, there won't be a repeat of the debacle the introduction of the 5.56mm M193 proved to be in Vietnam 50+ years ago.
Posted by: Ed L at June 19, 2022 08:10 PM (/lmRp)
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It'll be worse. The round runs at ridiculous pressures and muzzle velocity. I do not see any scenario under which this round is considered a success, other than successfully lining the pockets of Sig.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 19, 2022 08:12 PM (5pTK/)

169 https://youtu.be/5mnQTzhVgl8

Babylon Bee.
Spelling bee contestant asks for definition of woman.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at June 19, 2022 08:12 PM (ufFY8)

170 Ive slowly been buying ammo when the price is right. Proven effective.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at June 19, 2022 08:12 PM (89T5c)

171 I’ve had really good luck with mail order ammo

Target Sports has been good, I found it via ammoseek

Fast deliveries and they actually WILL email you when something that was out of stock is available again.

Aim surplus is good also, nice part is I can stop in to do a local pickup on the way home from work

Posted by: PMRich at June 19, 2022 08:12 PM (eh5ud)

172 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm late.

Posted by: GWB at June 19, 2022 08:12 PM (+Lvag)

173 It'll be worse. The round runs at ridiculous pressures and muzzle velocity. I do not see any scenario under which this round is considered a success, other than successfully lining the pockets of Sig.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 19, 2022 08:12 PM (5pTK/)
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Correction: lining the pockets of SIG and the former Army generals who are hired by them.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 19, 2022 08:13 PM (llXky)

174 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm late.
Posted by: GWB at June 19, 2022 08:12 PM

The guy in the top picture says "Drop and give us twenty!!"

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 19, 2022 08:14 PM (a3Q+t)

175 The lazy me wants to just recycle it all after 4 firings, and start looking for decent prices on new or once-fired to accumulate a replacement stock. The less lazy me is told by several salty veterans of M1 reloading that they easily get 6 firings from their brass.

It's the thought of the paper clip text X 800 that's daunting. Of course, perfect work for a cigar on the back porch .....

Posted by: rhomboid
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6x reloads depends on your chamber and what you are loading it with and annealing the necks will stretch what case life you have for it.

Posted by: whig at June 19, 2022 08:14 PM (xA2KX)

176 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm late.

Posted by: GWB at June 19, 2022 08:12 PM (+Lvag)
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Take a lap.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 19, 2022 08:14 PM (llXky)

177 Bang bang!
Tillamook is very good.
Bang bang!

Posted by: Jamaica NYC at June 19, 2022 08:15 PM (b+v9B)

178 JTB, I think there are guys who use the Lee scoops, and customize them by filling them with white glue until they get the volume desired for the given load. Of course this would entail fairly laborious sequential additions of glue followed by drying followed by careful weighing of charges, on and on until you hit the spot.

My RCBS 505 (?) scale and the Lee Auto Drum, press-mounted, I find quick and easy, and the consistency of the throws is impressive.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 19, 2022 08:15 PM (OTzUX)

179 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm late.
Posted by: GWB at June 19, 2022 08:12 PM
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Note from mom?

Posted by: Weasel at June 19, 2022 08:15 PM (0IeYL)

180 Posted by: Weasel at June 19, 2022 08:07 PM (0IeYL)
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 19, 2022 08:08 PM (llXky)

Father's Day festivities might be a reason. However, considering that I try to avoid going to this range on weekends, especially holiday weekends, this was the first time I've been able to shoot here w/o at least a 30 minute wait.

Posted by: Ed L at June 19, 2022 08:15 PM (/lmRp)

181 I couldn't understand what the She Equips babe said her name was.

Posted by: SFGoth at June 19, 2022 08:15 PM (KAi1n)

182 Along with guns and ammo, do not forget magazines. You need mags. Unless you are a wheel gun lever action cowboy type. Or Gyrojets. Whatever.

I picked up one - ONE - 15 round mag for the P65 XL. Actually it's for P365 too. Different base plate. It comes set up for the 365. To change it you take off the baseplate and let the spring shoot out across the room. Maybe that's not part of the process but no instructions so who knows. But it was difficult to find that mag. Seems they are sold out most everywhere. Buy your high cap mags now.

Posted by: blaster at June 19, 2022 08:15 PM (6TxNR)

183 OT: Don't mind me, just dropping a cool photo.

https://tinyurl.com/mryfejfy
Posted by: Robert at June 19, 2022 08:12 PM (61CCq)

Very cool. Going to Utah next weekend. Son's buddy has a killer telescope. one of the things we do is tear-ass in their trucks into the desert late at night to look at the cosmos. The off-roading is awesome on its own, BTW.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Trailer Trash Adjacent at June 19, 2022 08:15 PM (x8Wzq)

184 @181 Stavroula

Posted by: blaster at June 19, 2022 08:16 PM (6TxNR)

185 Team Biden’s Internal Revenue Service (IRS) spent some $700,000 on firearm ammunition between March 1 and June 1, Florida Republican Rep. Matt Gaetz said.

The IRS’s ammunition acquisition is “bizarre,” Gaetz told Breitbart News.

Posted by: rhennigantx at June 19, 2022 08:16 PM (yrol0)

186 Team Biden’s Internal Revenue Service (IRS) spent some $700,000 on firearm ammunition between March 1 and June 1, Florida Republican Rep. Matt Gaetz said.

The IRS’s ammunition acquisition is “bizarre,” Gaetz told Breitbart News.

Posted by: rhennigantx at June 19, 2022 08:16 PM (yrol0)
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Don't worry, it's not part of a military crackdown.

They sold it to the cartels.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 19, 2022 08:18 PM (llXky)

187 >Team Biden’s Internal Revenue Service (IRS) spent some $700,000 on firearm ammunition between March 1 and June 1, Florida Republican Rep. Matt Gaetz said.

What do they carry?

Posted by: davidt at June 19, 2022 08:18 PM (oTZbj)

188 Naming a gun requires a caliber over .50 and a barrel over 5 inches

Posted by: Y5 at June 19, 2022 08:18 PM (kEwHe)

189 It comes set up for the 365.
... Buy your high cap mags now.
Posted by: blaster at June 19, 2022 08:15 PM

Some are shipped set up for the XL, Sig seems pretty random about that.

Your last statement x1000.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 19, 2022 08:18 PM (a3Q+t)

190 It's the thought of the paper clip text X 800 that's daunting. Of course, perfect work for a cigar on the back porch .....

Posted by: rhomboid
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A bit more ergonomic version of the paper clip test is to use metal testing probes which are similar to dental picks which are also useful for cleaning crevices. They have a longer shank and a few have the tight 90 degree sharp tip already made for you. Harbor freight charges about 5-6 bucks for a set.

Posted by: whig at June 19, 2022 08:19 PM (xA2KX)

191 First took Son deer hunting when he was 12. Got him a rossi with swappable .22 and 20 ga barrels. Took him shooting half a dozen times during the summer for BRM.

Come hunt day: His vest had lots of shell loops. Over a box of shells and he insisted on filling each loop. Snowed the night before and he wanted to wear his fave gloves, which were knitted. Told FIL and BIL to hunt separate from us. Son played with snow and soaked his hands before we got to our spot. I brought spares and the rest of the day was staying on his butt about noise discipline.

Saw nothing. FIL got a fawn. Family joke for years was the "deer that fit in the glove box". Son turned out alright in the end and is a productive hunter.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at June 19, 2022 08:19 PM (8C7+r)

192 Flashgitz does Jordan Peterson

https://youtu.be/3huYExmlxbo

I linked to this before. The amount of thought that went into the script is crazy.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at June 19, 2022 08:20 PM (ybIRR)

193 Yep whig, annealing could enter the picture to stretch (heh) case life. Normal M1 chamber, well below-max loads of 4064 and TAC. I'll probably do some detailed look at the brass once I get to 4 firings and decide what to do.

I do have a 500-round can of the PPU M1 30-06 sitting here, but it's my "reserve" so not anxious to touch it. I have a reserve, usually a case, of factory for each caliber I own. "Reserve" for what? Nothing in particular. For when I'm planning to discontinue shooting something and sell it, and/or don't feel like reloading for it. Started the practice mostly as a hedge against CA law idiocy, but now a fixed pattern.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 19, 2022 08:21 PM (OTzUX)

194 Your last statement x1000.
Posted by: D

What is everything sig for$100

Posted by: Y5 at June 19, 2022 08:21 PM (kEwHe)

195 Hardly any wait time at our range the last couple of times we went. Figured people getting to shoot outdoors but maybe cost a factor. Fees where we shoot are pretty reasonable.
We also generally only do 5 rounds per person when we do our drills. It keeps things moving along and we can do multiple drills on several lanes moving back and forth. Time flies when you're having fun.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 19, 2022 08:21 PM (Y+l9t)

196 The organization has moved the recommended age for beginning hormones to “change genders” from 16 to just 14-years-old and the age for cutting healthy breasts off female children from 16 to 15.

Lets cut out the breast buds at 8 or 9!!

Posted by: rhennigantx at June 19, 2022 08:22 PM (yrol0)

197 JTB,
To echo Rhomboid's point, some folks selling on ebay or direct use 3d printers to make all kinds of useful accessories for Lee or other reloading lines. I have bought several useful trinkets for the presses such as a 3d cover for a primer arm slot in the Lee Turret Press and Classic Cast press. Keeps expended primers from jumping out.

Think at least one person is making custom powder scoops.

Posted by: whig at June 19, 2022 08:22 PM (xA2KX)

198 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm late.
Posted by: GWB at June 19, 2022 08:12 PM (+Lvag)
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Sit and give me 20 12oz curls, NOW!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 19, 2022 08:22 PM (5pTK/)

199 Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 19, 2022 08:12 PM (5pTK/)

What's telling is that Big Army has NOT ordered ramping down production of the 5.56mm M855A1 round now or in the near future at Lake City. That tells me that the Army is definitely hedging its bets. Based on that, I think the M4/M4A1 carbine will stick around for a long time to come, especially for the National Guard and Reserves.

Posted by: Ed L at June 19, 2022 08:22 PM (/lmRp)

200
And the mustache.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 19, 2022 08:10 PM

How does a mustache help in combat?

https://youtu.be/PiWkhET56uA

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 19, 2022 08:23 PM (RkC6l)

201 Stavroula. Greek, which was my first guess as to the lineage of She Equips Herself. Who in my sad juvenile mind I render as "She Who is Definitely Equipped".

Posted by: rhomboid at June 19, 2022 08:23 PM (OTzUX)

202 I feel your pain at the pump, Weasel. I filled up our old Suburban at Costco on Friday. $122. Luckily we don't use it often anymore, but I wish I had known it was so low so I could have filled it up a couple months ago.

Posted by: bluebell at June 19, 2022 08:25 PM (aeePL)

203 What's telling is that Big Army has NOT ordered ramping down production of the 5.56mm M855A1 round now or in the near future at Lake City. That tells me that the Army is definitely hedging its bets. Based on that, I think the M4/M4A1 carbine will stick around for a long time to come, especially for the National Guard and Reserves.

Posted by: Ed L at June 19, 2022 08:22 PM (/lmRp)
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Female and support troops are not going to be able to qualify with the new weapon, period.

Not only that, the Army is going to have to lower entry standards to meet its manning goals.

Furthermore, the Air Force is not going to play along with this.

All of which means we'll get really expensive rifles with really expensive ammo and the supply chain problems of having different primary weapons in service.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 19, 2022 08:25 PM (llXky)

204 Guns!
Something my father is terrified of.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at June 19, 2022 08:25 PM (xcxpd)

205 106
That is a fine piece of machinery. Is that a steel frame? I can't imagine carrying one would be particularly comfortable by the end of the day...

I (briefly) hauled around a Browning BDM and when I began to look like Quasimodo, reconsidered my life choices.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 19, 2022 07:49 PM (llXky)

Alloy frame.

PSA: when they say "alloy", it's really "aluminium".

So far, I don't mind a few extra ounces on my hip. Of course, I am still comparing that to a light MG or a missile, or a pair of rockets, so it seems less consequential.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf, still stuck in his misspent youth at June 19, 2022 08:25 PM (8C7+r)

206 Nice content, Weasel.

My range report from last week's DMV MGC:
Absolutely NO love for my .38/.357 derringer! Everyone felt like if they pulled the trigger they had to hold it so low on what little grip was there that it would fly out of their hands. I managed to get one person to pull the trigger. But, by golly, everyone knew when I fired the .357 from it.

I got to break in my new revolver (.38/.357), the EAA Windicator. It is definitely a work of German engineering - absolutely solid, and not subtle at all.
Sadly, it was laid out next to Ed L's Colt Pythons. It suffered by comparison. The trigger is going to need some work, eventually. (I think "sandblasted" was the term someone used.)

I absolutely LOVED shooting the newer Python. The trigger was fantastic, and the balance was practically perfect. It shot nice, too.

Also loved getting to shoot the SP5 Ed L brought. Very nice, indeed.

Thanks to all the members of the DMV MGC for the fun!

Posted by: GWB at June 19, 2022 08:26 PM (+Lvag)

207 Posted by: bluebell at June 19, 2022 08:25 PM (aeePL)
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*fistbump*

Posted by: Weasel at June 19, 2022 08:26 PM (0IeYL)

208 whig that's a great tip for the "dental pick" type tool to use for checking inside cases. I actually have a set on my shopping list, but it was mostly for cleaning and other tiny-awkward-spot duties at the bench.

And I love the idea of that 3D primer slot cover - trying to picture how it fits on the ram (?). Primers popping out that slot when decapping can indeed be annoying some times.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 19, 2022 08:26 PM (OTzUX)

209 Looking like $500 for 1000 rounds on .223 is about the best deal available. All the good prices are out of stock.

Buy now, or wait for a sale on something?

I can get a decent price on steel case, but that doesn't help me, can't shoot it at my range.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at June 19, 2022 08:27 PM (5p7BC)

210 193 Rhomboid,
I would also hold onto the HXP brass as 30-06 brass is spottily available right now and not cheap if you do find it.

Unfortunately as not being able healthwise to go to the range, I have reserves of everything that goes bang but unused, it is about as valuable as hind tits on a boar hog.

Posted by: whig at June 19, 2022 08:27 PM (xA2KX)

211 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm late.
Posted by: GWB at June 19, 2022 08:12 PM
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Note from mom?
Posted by: Weasel at June 19, 2022 08:15 PM (0IeYL)

Yep, it's right here!
"Please excuse GWB as he was sleeping off the beer and strudel from Father's Day dinner.
Mom"

Posted by: GWB at June 19, 2022 08:27 PM (+Lvag)

212 @181 Stavroula
Posted by: blaster at June 19, 2022 08:16 PM

She's Greeky girl?

*swoons*

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 19, 2022 08:28 PM (RkC6l)

213 Guns!
Something my father is terrified of.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at June 19, 2022 08:25 PM (xcxpd)
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My father qualified on the M14. I don't think he's ever actually held, much less fired an M-16/AR-15 platform.

Nevertheless, the New York Times tells him they're atomic cannon firing death missiles and he believes them.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 19, 2022 08:28 PM (llXky)

214 All of which means we'll get really expensive rifles with really expensive ammo and the supply chain problems of having different primary weapons in service.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 19, 2022 08:25 PM (llXky)
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Meanwhile, there are plenty of decent rounds in the civilian market that would have made nice step up from the perceived limitations of the 556. And, bonus, would have only required swapping out the upper. I want to say 6.5 SPC is one of those cartridges.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 19, 2022 08:28 PM (5pTK/)

215 Speaking of German revolvers, has anyone here held/handled/shot a Korth? Just curious.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 19, 2022 08:28 PM (OTzUX)

216 Who has a recommendation for good shooting glasses q

Posted by: Y5 at June 19, 2022 08:28 PM (kEwHe)

217 Posted by: GWB at June 19, 2022 08:26 PM (+Lvag)
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My pleasure, GWB! Glad to hear you had a good time with the gang.

Posted by: Weasel at June 19, 2022 08:28 PM (0IeYL)

218 Nevertheless, the New York Times tells him they're atomic cannon firing death missiles and he believes them.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 19, 2022 08:28 PM (llXky)
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I'd love to hand one of those NYT writers an M1 Garand, then an AR and ask them to get back to me after they stopped crying in the corner.

Morons, one and all.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 19, 2022 08:29 PM (5pTK/)

219 203 What's telling is that Big Army has NOT ordered ramping down production of the 5.56mm M855A1 round now or in the near future at Lake City...
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Female and support troops are not going to be able to qualify with the new weapon, period.

Not only that, the Army is going to have to lower entry standards to meet its manning goals.

Furthermore, the Air Force is not going to play along with this.

All of which means we'll get really expensive rifles with really expensive ammo and the supply chain problems of having different primary weapons in service.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 19, 2022 08:25 PM (llXky)

1. As pointed out, Reserve component will need current ammo for at least a decade.
2. Different rifles for bayonet fixin', door kickin', trench clearin' line animals is not really a problem, IMO. See 25mm ammo.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf, still stuck in his misspent youth at June 19, 2022 08:29 PM (8C7+r)

220 Posted by: GWB at June 19, 2022 08:27 PM (+Lvag)
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Tardiness excused!

Posted by: Weasel at June 19, 2022 08:30 PM (0IeYL)

221 So far, I don't mind a few extra ounces on my hip. Of course, I am still comparing that to a light MG or a missile, or a pair of rockets, so it seems less consequential.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf, still stuck in his misspent youth at June 19, 2022 08:25 PM (8C7+r)
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Location and rig matter a lot. I've been doing pocket carry forever, but finally lost enough weight/bought loose enough clothes to try IWB carry on my revolver. With a rigger's belt to distribute the weight, it was barely noticeable. My cell phone has more heft.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 19, 2022 08:31 PM (llXky)

222 I'd love to hand one of those NYT writers an M1 Garand, then an AR and ask them to get back to me after they stopped crying in the corner.

Morons, one and all.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 19, 2022 08:29 PM

And then show them videos of kids firing them, then point and laugh.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 19, 2022 08:31 PM (RkC6l)

223 Dave in Fla, Yogi Berra and I share the same viewpoint on forecasting the future, but in this case I'd say: buy now. At least some sort of "base" supply of whatever it is you will be using.

Because I don't think the water temperature on gunz and ammo is going to get better for an extended period. I'd say "if ever", but I won't, because at some point, sure.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 19, 2022 08:31 PM (OTzUX)

224 Today store got in some 6.5, 270, 30-30, and one box of 30-06.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 19, 2022 08:31 PM (4+1iY)

225 Happy Father's Day anyway.

Did IDPA yesterday with Bubba Fly (G17). Scores aren't up but I think I did my usual 'in the middle' performance. I'm fairly happy with how I did. No hostages killed, no bad guys missed, no DQ's, only one procedural and that was due to unclear instructions.

I'm probably going to swap guns. I'm happy with the G17, even bubba-fied as it is. Very reliable, light weight, grippy enough with the bubba stipple job. But the Romeo One red dot isn't thrilling me and I'm a little slow on reloads. Probably a familiarity thing as I didn't train as much with the G17 before getting Bubba Fly. But the real trouble is that some times I'll get a round 'missing'. Shoot two rounds at 7 ish yards and find only one hole. Really one hole, not the two very close hits (the gun will also make those if I dont' fuck up). So more than once I will get counted a 'miss'. Now I can fuck up, I'm no saint, but I don't believe I'm missing a target at 7 to 10 yards with two hands and a red dot.

Probably switch to El Macho (CZ P07) but I'll have to take the compensator off.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at June 19, 2022 08:32 PM (xcxpd)

226 Film them trying to put an 8rd clip into an M-1.

See who's thumb gets mashed. Post to YouTube.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 19, 2022 08:32 PM (4+1iY)

227 Rhomboid, it is form fitting and holds on the pin that the priming arm uses to pivot. I don't prime with that arm and bulk deprime before wet tumbling with steel pins anyway. So I deprime all brass with a universal depriming die and I have a different sized Lee decapping pin for each of my most common bulk ammo inserted into a Lee Decapping die unit.

I resize and trim on the Lee Classic cast and prime off press. The rest of it is dealt with on the Lee Classic Turret including a powder check die.

Posted by: whig at June 19, 2022 08:32 PM (xA2KX)

228 Wow, I just got an email from Warren Buffet, letting me know he's going to send me a billion bucks or so.

Was it wrong for me to respond and give out my bank account number?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 19, 2022 08:32 PM (5pTK/)

229 Range report.
Weasel/Scoob, CBD, I took that AR and tightened up the scope mount. Back on target, especially when one uses the elevation knob on top instead of the laser/scope lighting knob on the left!
Also checked zero on the iron sights and finally found a mounting arrangement for the red dot.
I did limit magazines to ooonly 10 rounds. But then went through a fair amount of 62 g. I better restock before Lake City becomes unavailable.

Posted by: RI Red at June 19, 2022 08:32 PM (3Hz5j)

230 Am I allowed to go OT? Today is Fun Size Joe's adoption second anniversary!

Posted by: Weasel at June 19, 2022 08:32 PM (0IeYL)

231 I do have some stuff to send soon, Weasel.

Given how little I can find about .303s, I think I'll take pics of mine and send them in. I know someone here will likely have insight as to exactly what sort it is.

I was never really concerned until I went to buy some spare mags for it and discovered there are two types of mags for the Lee-Enfield and its important to have the right one. (And I need new ones because the one I have - yeah, just one - seems problematic in functional checks.)

Also, hopefully I'll get that Beowulf done in the near future. (I have nothing so fun as organic tree farming to do - my bane is a bathroom remodel, followed by a total re-sheetrocking of a bedroom, after.)

Posted by: GWB at June 19, 2022 08:32 PM (+Lvag)

232 My dad was pretty neutral when it came to firearms. Mumbled something to me once that he'd satisfied his curiosity at the Siegfried Line. I was fortunate that he never discouraged me from pursuing the shooting sports. Miss ya, Pop.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at June 19, 2022 08:33 PM (Xrfse)

233 whig I'm kicking myself (OK, just mildly chiding myself) for not jumping on some local 30-06 brass deals on the local forum, probably 5 years ago. Unfired Lake City brass. Guy wasn't giving it away, but it wasn't outrageously expensive. Thought about getting it as a "brass reserve". Shoulda.

Don't worry about my HXP brass. Shooting at ranges and matches, it's fairly easy to keep track of the brass. Figure I have about a 99% recovery rate on it. Pretty OCD about that.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 19, 2022 08:34 PM (OTzUX)

234 Isn't the black strip supposed to cover your nips, Weasel??

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at June 19, 2022 08:34 PM (yikp0)

235 Am I allowed to go OT? Today is Fun Size Joe's adoption second anniversary!
Posted by: Weasel at June 19, 2022 08:32 PM

We'll allow it.

Posted by: The Judges at June 19, 2022 08:34 PM (RkC6l)

236 Film them trying to put an 8rd clip into an M-1.

See who's thumb gets mashed. Post to YouTube.
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 19, 2022 08:32 PM (4+1iY)
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One needs a fair amount of grip strength to go with technique to load a Garand. I guarantee the soi bois of the NYT have neither muscle tone nor athletic ability.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 19, 2022 08:34 PM (5pTK/)

237 202 I feel your pain at the pump, Weasel. I filled up our old Suburban at Costco on Friday. $122. Luckily we don't use it often anymore, but I wish I had known it was so low so I could have filled it up a couple months ago.
Posted by: bluebell at June 19, 2022 08:25 PM (aeePL)
Mrs. E and I drove 80 miles to the deer lease to check on our camper and stands this past week. AND to pick up the five 5-gal cans of gas on the generator pallet. That's $111.00 in ETEX money.

Posted by: Eromero at June 19, 2022 08:35 PM (0OP+5)

238 Meanwhile, there are plenty of decent rounds in the civilian market that would have made nice step up from the perceived limitations of the 556. And, bonus, would have only required swapping out the upper. I want to say 6.5 SPC is one of those cartridges.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 19, 2022 08:28 PM (5pTK/)
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I'm just a weekend warrior zoomie REMF, but don't we have AR platforms that use 7.62mm NATO?

Why are we acting like we have to have INFANTRY engage targets at such long ranges with armor-piercing capability? Did I miss something? Is it 1896 again and all our rifles have to be calibrated to 2,000 yards? Are volley sights coming back?

I mean we have this wonderful thing called an AIR FORCE than drops bombs through the back windows of hatchbacks on request (sometimes it's the correct hatchback).

This just seems like a pathetic attempt by the Army to get a budget boost because we have no endless overseas wars to sustain them.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 19, 2022 08:35 PM (llXky)

239 216 Who has a recommendation for good shooting glasses q
Posted by: Y5 at June 19, 2022 08:28 PM (kEwHe)

Prescription or unmodified? I use Gargoyles or WileyX for my prescription shooting glasses.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at June 19, 2022 08:35 PM (xcxpd)

240 Posted by: RI Red at June 19, 2022 08:32 PM (3Hz5j)
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Nice when a plan comes together, huh? Good job!

Posted by: Weasel at June 19, 2022 08:35 PM (0IeYL)

241 Hey AHL

Read your book about the Oil Spill.

Kind of funny
very sad.

PS Did you survive the Facebook wars?

Posted by: rhennigantx at June 19, 2022 08:35 PM (yrol0)

242 Am I allowed to go OT? Today is Fun Size Joe's adoption second anniversary!
Posted by: Weasel at June 19, 2022 08:32 PM (0IeYL)

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Has it been two years since you and WW took in Fun Size Joe?

Where does the time go?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 19, 2022 08:35 PM (5pTK/)

243 eal available. All the good prices are out of stock.

Buy now, or wait for a sale on something?

I can get a decent price on steel case, but that doesn't help me, can't shoot it at my range.
Posted by: D

Some things are just not done in polite society, you do not bring anescort to Thanksgiving dinner and you do not shoot steel case ammo.

I got a good deal with so. Inman 55 grain 223 from primary arms .50/1000 rounds. It always goes bang but it is not good for much beyond 200 yardsl

Posted by: Y5 at June 19, 2022 08:35 PM (kEwHe)

244 Posted by: GWB at June 19, 2022 08:32 PM (+Lvag)
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Great! Thanks!

Posted by: Weasel at June 19, 2022 08:36 PM (0IeYL)

245 Today is Fun Size Joe's adoption second anniversary!

Congrats to FSJ! Ya won the lottery, pooch!

Posted by: Notorious BFD at June 19, 2022 08:36 PM (Xrfse)

246 Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at June 19, 2022 08:34 PM (yikp0)
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That's not me!!

Posted by: Weasel at June 19, 2022 08:37 PM (0IeYL)

247 Am I allowed to go OT? Today is Fun Size Joe's adoption second anniversary!
Posted by: Weasel at June 19, 2022 08:32

Give FSJ All The Belly Rubs!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 19, 2022 08:37 PM (RkC6l)

248 See who's thumb gets mashed. Post to YouTube.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 19, 2022 08:32 PM (4+1iY)
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Xe broke xer nail! Medic!

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 19, 2022 08:37 PM (llXky)

249 231 GWB,
I like the ole SMLE's and their WWII counterparts and know a fair piece about them including reloading for them. If you have some questions, shoot me an email and you can get that by clicking on my nic.

Posted by: whig at June 19, 2022 08:38 PM (xA2KX)

250 The move to larger caliber rounds comes out of AFPAK fighting, where 5.56 troopers were being routinely outranged by 7.62x54 rounds. Air support was not always available, arty could also be a long, long way away.

Then there's body armor. The Army is looking to be engaging Chinese or Russian troops who will have trauma plates and kevlar...or US 'insurgents' who may also have body armor.

I don't know if 227 SIG Fury is the right answer but I know what they're doing. I just doubt the decsion.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at June 19, 2022 08:38 PM (xcxpd)

251 This just seems like a pathetic attempt by the Army to get a budget boost because we have no endless overseas wars to sustain them.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 19, 2022 08:35 PM (llXky)
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The military is proving, once again, they've learned absolutely nothing from the debacle in Afghanistan.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 19, 2022 08:38 PM (5pTK/)

252 Actually, back on IDPA, I may give this my PSA Dagger a try. It shot well and feels nice. We'll see if I go with the CZ or the PSA.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at June 19, 2022 08:39 PM (xcxpd)

253 Happy Adoption Day, FSJ!!!

Sweet little fur ball.

Posted by: nurse ratched at June 19, 2022 08:39 PM (U2p+3)

254
Am I allowed to go OT? Today is Fun Size Joe's adoption second anniversary!

Posted by: Weasel at June 19, 2022 08:32 PM

Yay Fun Size Joe!!!

today is also Lila von Tardhammer the Wonder Rabbit's second birfday

true fact: rabbits do not like wearing little hats, no matter how cute it will look

Posted by: AltonJackson at June 19, 2022 08:39 PM (ENBF0)

255 whig that's one squared-away depriming approach you have. Almost all my reloads are just range fodder, so doing everything on-press works out well. 30-06 is a more "craft" approach, turret press becomes single stage press.

I recall a few years ago I ran a test, weighed/accurized every charge in 50 rounds of 30-06. Then shot it against my other 30-06 reloads (where I sample about every 5th or 10th round to check the charge).

No difference at all in accuracy or consistency. TAC meters like sand in the Auto Drum, very consistent, which I attribute to the ball-like shape, vs. the extruded sticks of 4064.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 19, 2022 08:39 PM (OTzUX)

256 Thanks Rhomboid. Good advice.

I have probably 400 rounds or so in stock, don't really want to drop $500 today, so maybe a smaller purchase.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at June 19, 2022 08:40 PM (5p7BC)

257 Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 19, 2022 08:25 PM (llXky)

Don't forget that there will TWO different rounds made in 6.8mm X 51. The first (and probably, the most commonly seen) will be an all-brass round that will primarily be used for training. The second is the dual metal stainless steel base and brass case. Intent is that this is meant as a "go to war" only round. The rationale for the different rounds is that the full power, "go to war" round is really hard on the new rifle's/MG's bolt, barrel, and other internal parts, plus the suppressor. Excessive wear on rifles in peacetime is not a good thing. In a "go to war" situation, nobody cares if the rifles don't last to the 10,000 round mark. And Big Army has plenty of spare barrels, bolts, and other spare parts to repair broken rifles. It sounds dumb. But this is what Big Army has put out for public consumption.

Also, don't forget the Army wanted a new machine gun to go along w/ the new rifle. So MG performance was just as big a factor (if not bigger) as rifle performance, given that the priority was defeating the new generation of body armor other countries are fielding.

Posted by: Ed L at June 19, 2022 08:40 PM (/lmRp)

258 Posted by: Y5 at June 19, 2022 08:28 PM (kEwHe)
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Oakley makes some very nice clear glasses. I have a pair but I'm not sure they are really worth the price ($100)

Posted by: Weasel at June 19, 2022 08:40 PM (0IeYL)

259 Ola, ca va?

Well the gun auction was a bust. A deceased estate basically with stupid high reserves, almost everything was passed in. Did buy a shit-ton of .303 Brit from the sales tables cheap and did get a long range Vickers deflection sight which was NOS and in its case, so it evened out. Also found a cheap bulk supply of .30-06 and .303 along with MG barrels and locks from a old friend who is selling up, so even better. The latest toy works well as I found out yesterday. Very happy. My experiment with disintegrating link was also a win. Did not expect that.
How we all doing?

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at June 19, 2022 08:41 PM (bgJ0E)

260 glasses.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at June 19

Unmodded

When I am going high-speed, low drag, go fast, I need something that is not too convex.

Posted by: Y5 at June 19, 2022 08:41 PM (kEwHe)

261 My nephew bought an Aussie Lee-Enfield that was "sporterized" with a cut-down stock that he's going to get a new partial stock made for it to make it look closer to original.

Marks on it are:
MA
LITHGOW
S.M.L.E.
[indecipherable -- to my eyes at least]
1941

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at June 19, 2022 08:41 PM (yikp0)

262 Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 19, 2022 08:37 PM (RkC6l)
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He's burrowed into his cozy cave right next to me as we speak.

Posted by: Weasel at June 19, 2022 08:42 PM (0IeYL)

263
Kind of funny
very sad.

Posted by: rhennigantx at June 19, 2022 08:35 PM (yrol0)
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You know, I was aiming for "Very funny, kind of sad."

Close enough, I guess.

As for real life...my chain of command was blissfully unaware of what happened. I wrote an AAR and all they cared about was that I had volunteered and came back without an Article 15, so it was all good.

The fact that I was one of 12 NGB volunteers somehow worked its way into a citation I got a couple of years later. All's well that ends well.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 19, 2022 08:42 PM (llXky)

264 Weasel what does FSJ get in terms of special meal for the blessed anniversary?

And what are you burning today?

No cigar for me today, day/schedule just not working out for that.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 19, 2022 08:42 PM (OTzUX)

265 Posted by: nurse ratched at June 19, 2022 08:39 PM (U2p+3)
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He's a good boy!

Posted by: Weasel at June 19, 2022 08:43 PM (0IeYL)

266 Oakley makes some very nice clear glasses. I have a pair but I'm not sure they are really worth the price ($100)
Posted by: W

Thanks. I am trying to find something very flat.

I have had a hard time finding shooting glasses with nice glass.

Posted by: Y5 at June 19, 2022 08:43 PM (kEwHe)

267 true fact: rabbits do not like wearing little hats, no matter how cute it will look
Posted by: AltonJackson at June 19, 2022 08:39 PM

Rabbits disapprove of everything. This is known.

http://www.disapprovingbun.com/?m=1

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 19, 2022 08:43 PM (RkC6l)

268 Rhomboid,
Thanks for the compliments. I have about 4 presses not including hand presses, and each has different tasks. I have substantial stocks of reloading components and prefer to load fresh for what I am shooting during ammo shortages. I buy commercial for popular calibers to shoot and save the brass during ammo surpluses when it is cheaper.

Posted by: whig at June 19, 2022 08:44 PM (xA2KX)

269 The point of the Lake City thing is to take ammo off the market and make it go up in price. Lake City is not being allowed to produce more than current Army contract. Before they could and sell the surplus. Maybe you don't buy green tip but the guy who does is going to buy ammo somewhere. And if you are buying 5,56/.223 he's competing with you.

Posted by: blaster at June 19, 2022 08:44 PM (6TxNR)

270 I don't know if 227 SIG Fury is the right answer but I know what they're doing. I just doubt the decsion.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at June 19, 2022 08:38 PM (xcxpd)
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fair point.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 19, 2022 08:44 PM (5pTK/)

271 I purchased my first firearm today.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 19, 2022 07:38 PM (LvTSG)

Congrats!

Posted by: GWB at June 19, 2022 08:44 PM (+Lvag)

272 So Marines needed a hard hitting gun. So a place up in Indiana took the 7.63 (M14) and built a titanium frame for it. So the barrel did not heat up and lose accuracy.

I think they built about 5000.

Posted by: rhennigantx at June 19, 2022 08:44 PM (yrol0)

273 Posted by: GWB at June 19, 2022 08:26 PM (+Lvag)

Glad you enjoyed shooting them, GWB!

Posted by: Ed L at June 19, 2022 08:44 PM (/lmRp)

274
Marks on it are:
MA
LITHGOW
S.M.L.E.
[indecipherable -- to my eyes at least]
1941
Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at June 19, 2022 08:41 PM (yikp0)

III* may be the indecipherable bit.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at June 19, 2022 08:44 PM (bgJ0E)

275 Ingman 55 grain

Think they are in croatia

Posted by: Y5 at June 19, 2022 08:44 PM (kEwHe)

276 That's not me!!
Posted by: Weasel
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Doh!

Never mind.

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at June 19, 2022 08:44 PM (yikp0)

277 Happy Anniversary to FSJ and the Weasel family. A great match!

Posted by: Ben Had at June 19, 2022 08:45 PM (WPM4d)

278 "I don't know if 227 SIG Fury is the right answer but I know what they're doing. I just doubt the decsion."

It's .277 Fury, which is the commercial variant of the 6.8x.51 mil. It came out of the NGSW program. Not to be confused with numerous other programs for new platforms and ammunition.

Posted by: Marcus T at June 19, 2022 08:46 PM (VF4WI)

279 Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at June 19, 2022 08:41 PM (bgJ0E)
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Howdy brother!

Posted by: Weasel at June 19, 2022 08:46 PM (0IeYL)

280 Going with a bigger more powerful round is contrary to everything they have earned since Vietnam

Accuracy is .ore important then force.

Posted by: Y5 at June 19, 2022 08:47 PM (kEwHe)

281 We will then face severe ammo shortages in any future conflict.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 19, 2022 07:44 PM (llXky)

Nah. Because they'll all be making that fancy new 6.8 stuff. Because there's no such thing as a supply chain in the Army.

Posted by: GWB at June 19, 2022 08:47 PM (+Lvag)

282 261 AndyCanuck, that is a somewhat rare (in the US) WWII era Lithgow No. 1 mk 3 Enfield if the barrel was not cut off in length as commonly done to sporterize them. Off and on, you can find the proper forends to restore it to military appearance.

At worst, if the barrel was cut, you can find aftermarket Flash Hiders to convert it to a No. 1 based fake Jungle Carbine. Easier to find already cut partial forends for that task.

Posted by: whig at June 19, 2022 08:47 PM (xA2KX)

283 Posted by: Y5 at June 19, 2022 08:43 PM (kEwHe)
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These are wrap-around and extremely all plastic. Like I said, not worth $100.

Posted by: Weasel at June 19, 2022 08:48 PM (0IeYL)

284 The 16-inch guns on the Iowa class had practice rounds, which put less wear on the barrels, but at first glance/zero thinking this approach to a standard service rifle seems odd. To me.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 19, 2022 08:48 PM (OTzUX)

285 Howdy brother!
Posted by: Weasel at June 19, 2022 08:46 PM (0IeYL)

Gidday to you!
As posted above, the joy of watching disintegrating link work thru a old WWII gun is so good.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at June 19, 2022 08:48 PM (bgJ0E)

286 The better half enjoys doing mag dumps at 7 yards with the ingman 223.

Posted by: Y5 at June 19, 2022 08:48 PM (kEwHe)

287 Posted by: Ben Had at June 19, 2022 08:45 PM (WPM4d)
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Thank you!!

Posted by: Weasel at June 19, 2022 08:48 PM (0IeYL)

288 Hi NZ Frank!
I really hope to meet you someday.

Posted by: nurse ratched at June 19, 2022 08:49 PM (U2p+3)

289 Big Green should put more money into teaching Joe how to shoot, especially at the longer end of what we know will be future engagement ranges. That would pay off a lot more then most of these platforms. Although the investment in DMR capabilities is in many cases a step in the right direction.

Posted by: Marcus T at June 19, 2022 08:49 PM (VF4WI)

290 Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 19, 2022 08:38 PM (5pTK/)

I think the ghost of COL Rene Studler still haunts the Ordinance Corps' small arms branch. He's still trying to steer the Army back to the 7.62mm NATO 60+ years later.

Posted by: Ed L at June 19, 2022 08:49 PM (/lmRp)

291 New gun review: Taurus G3C TORO.

New 12 round pistol, no optic yet but it has the option to and it had plates provided. Put 125 rounds through it of various brands. It likes 124gr Federal, shooting to point of aim. 115gr PMC had no malfunctions and grouped well but shot low (more of a combat hold required, with the dot on front sight covering target).
124 gr TulaMAXX had two failures to fire, firing pin strike looked good but no ignition. Both rounds fired subsequently from a G17. Rounds had two feed hiccups out of 50 rounds, possible the rounds are slightly out of spec.

Pistol groups well, if I slow down. Fast fire makes for larger groups, but that's fairly normal and also physics. This is not a big pistol. It is about as small as I want to go for a carry gun (pocket pistols excepted), rough dimensions match the S&W M&P Compact 1.0.

Good sights, metal, good magazines with yellow followers, grip texture and trigger serrations are more aggressive than I like but they function. Trigger press is...odd. Long takeup but not heavy. It will not win 1911 fans over but can work.

More tests to follow.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at June 19, 2022 08:49 PM (xcxpd)

292 The fact that I was one of 12 NGB volunteers somehow worked its way into a citation I got a couple of years later. All's well that ends well.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 19, 2022 08:42 PM (llXky)

The sammich shit was funny! I used to get hotels rooms at the Waldport there in the Garden district for about 90 a night.

I worked at JRB NOLA about 2 years. Civil Contactor.

Posted by: rhennigantx at June 19, 2022 08:50 PM (yrol0)

293 Posted by: rhomboid at June 19, 2022 08:42 PM (OTzUX)
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Normal dinner but lots of treats!

Smoked a nice Ramon Allones Maduro earlier!

Posted by: Weasel at June 19, 2022 08:50 PM (0IeYL)

294 What's telling is that Big Army has NOT ordered ramping down production of the 5.56mm M855A1 round now or in the near future at Lake City. That tells me that the Army is definitely hedging its bets. Based on that, I think the M4/M4A1 carbine will stick around for a long time to come, especially for the National Guard and Reserves.

Posted by: Ed L at June 19, 2022 08:22 PM

National Guard and Reserve units were still using the M14 rifle 10+ years after the Army adopted the M16A1 rifle and Lake City was still cranking out .308 ammo 15 years after the Army abandoned that cartridge.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at June 19, 2022 08:50 PM (bVYXr)

295 I use Revision Sawfly glasses, as I recall I picked them because they have the most coverage of anything I researched at the time. Just replaced the lens, 2nd time, so that's about 12 years and just on the third lens. They came with a dark/gray lens too, have never taken that one out of the wrapping.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 19, 2022 08:50 PM (OTzUX)

296 It's .277 Fury, which is the commercial variant of the 6.8x.51 mil. It came out of the NGSW program. Not to be confused with numerous other programs for new platforms and ammunition.
Posted by: Marcus T at June 19, 2022 08:46 PM (VF4WI)

Thankee

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at June 19, 2022 08:51 PM (xcxpd)

297 III* may be the indecipherable bit.
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Yes, that's it! The asterisk looks more like a box and the III sorta looks like an IXE with the centre stroke on the E missing, in my crappy photo.

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at June 19, 2022 08:51 PM (yikp0)

298 Cigar Vixen was worth watching, but so superficial. How about some maps, to show where we are, and talk to the local people a little? They have names; learn them.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 19, 2022 08:51 PM (QA/Pa)

299 Thanks for the range report MAE. Taurus is becoming a very interesting firearm maker and apparently successful in improving its quality quite a bit.

Posted by: whig at June 19, 2022 08:51 PM (xA2KX)

300 howdy, all. Just want to remind you all that George Washington didn't need a gun to chop down that cherry tree and that insects contain a lot of protein. Also, there are probably many planets in the universe where Lena Dunham would be considered hot. Soak that in your pipe and smoke it.

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at June 19, 2022 08:52 PM (Ynyl9)

301 some joker doesn't like AeroKroil ? meh, what do I care about some ignorant heathen's opinion ? works fine for me is all I know.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - ultra maga ftw ! at June 19, 2022 07:08 PM (H4bsh)

and they didn't test Gibbsoil.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 19, 2022 08:52 PM (QA/Pa)

302 I purchased my first firearm today.

A Springfield XD. Went to a range for the first time and knocked out a couple of dozen rounds, just enough to sate my curiosity on my new weapon.

The fun part was that Junior's karate instructor was at Palmetto Armory at the same time I was. A former cop, he approved of my purchase, which was neat.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 19, 2022 07:38 PM (LvTSG)

The XD9 is one of my top 5 pistols and has been my EDC for many years. Good choice.

PSA also has 16 round mags deeply discounted this weekend, if you want to stock up.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at June 19, 2022 08:53 PM (xcxpd)

303 297 III* may be the indecipherable bit.
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Yes, that's it! The asterisk looks more like a box and the III sorta looks like an IXE with the centre stroke on the E missing, in my crappy photo.
Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at June 19, 2022 08:51 PM (yikp0)

Well to peeps like Whig and myself that's easy. Glad to help. *Preens* Can you fix a 79 Sportster carb for me?

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at June 19, 2022 08:54 PM (bgJ0E)

304 Posted by: Marcus T at June 19, 2022 08:46 PM (VF4WI)

I think this is the "training" all-brass round the Army will use. The full power bi-metal cases will get saved for wartime use only. I doubt that the "go to war" rounds will see much use (at least initially) on the civilian market. That's because the much higher chamber pressure of the "go to war" ammo would break most firearms chambered for it.

Posted by: Ed L at June 19, 2022 08:54 PM (/lmRp)

305 Since my dad is 750 miles away I had to do Father’s Day range day solo. I recently picked up an Ruger Precision Rifle in 308 and sighted it in with a cheap $100 Nikon scope that I picked up on a whim at Academy one day. After sighting it in with some 180 gr soft points, I put a few Gold Medal rounds through it with 168gr and 175gr Matchkings at 100 yards which is the max for the range I was at. I have to run the targets through my software but it seemed to prefer the 175gr a little better. I saved some rounds to reverse engineer because paying $2 a round sucks. Not sure if my reloading skill will be up to the task but I’ll find out one way or another. Also did some shooting with the 1911 but definitely had an off day with the pistol shooting.

Yesterday’s cigar was an Oliva Series G. Burned pretty evenly, good taste, would probably but more.

Posted by: Arch Stanton at June 19, 2022 08:55 PM (2VTt6)

306 Talked to wife about it and we decided to go ahead and get 1000 rounds. Going to inventory the other calibers to see what else we need, but figure the .223 is what is going to be harder to get soon, since that is the "bad gun".

Anyway, order placed.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at June 19, 2022 08:55 PM (5p7BC)

307 No. My dad didn't have any guns. He was born in 1914 and lived in nice parts of towns. Seeing war coming in 1939, he tried to join the Army and could not. Scarlet Fever in his youth left him deaf in one ear. 4-F. So he spent the war years working for Consolidated Aircraft building planes. Not a great dad (sure I could join the boy scouts just as long as he didn't a have to go to any meetings). Didn't relate to us when we were kids.

But man, was he great when we were grown up. He loved us so much. Lent me money to buy my first house. He died in 1991. I still miss him.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at June 19, 2022 08:55 PM (lKAqb)

308 Oh, one last thing andycanuck. No. 1 Enfields had a very long thin barrel that was not designed to be free floated. Out of its military stock without shortening the barrel, they are often quite bad in accuracy without doing some work figuring out the barrel resonance and how it will shoot best. NZFrank might have some ideas about that.

Posted by: whig at June 19, 2022 08:56 PM (xA2KX)

309 282 Thank you, whig. I'll have to measure the barrel but I don't think it was cut down, just the woodwork.

I'll pass on your other info to my nephew. Thanks, again!

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at June 19, 2022 08:56 PM (yikp0)

310 Oh, and he voted for Reagan in 1980.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at June 19, 2022 08:57 PM (lKAqb)

311 National Guard and Reserve units were still using the M14 rifle 10+ years after the Army adopted the M16A1 rifle and Lake City was still cranking out .308 ammo 15 years after the Army abandoned that cartridge.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at June 19, 2022 08:50 PM (bVYXr)

We were still using M-14s in the Navy, in 1993. They had wanted to switch us over, but I talked both Guns and me Captain out of it... .308 will go THROUGH a merchant ships interior walls... .223 tends to bounce.

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 19, 2022 08:57 PM (oHd/0)

312 288 Hi NZ Frank!
I really hope to meet you someday.
Posted by: nurse ratched at June 19, 2022 08:49 PM (U2p+3)

Welp if the stars align I may meet all you good people at the TX MoMe. If I can stop buying guns, parts and ammo so I can get there, that is.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at June 19, 2022 08:57 PM (bgJ0E)

313 Posted by: Arch Stanton at June 19, 2022 08:55 PM (2VTt6)
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I am increasingly impressed with the Olivia brand. Never paid much attention to them before, but recently found Serie V in 20 round boxes for $60 at Cigar International, and stocked up a little.

Posted by: Weasel at June 19, 2022 08:58 PM (0IeYL)

314 bunch of Dems sedning out emails anbout Juneteenth. Email from Pocahontis (MA) is typical:

I understand the responsibility that I and others have as white Americans to ask what we are doing to dismantle a system that has too often undervalued Black life. We cannot just be allies. We have to fight for everyone who's still waiting for justice.

[maybe start by caring about the Blacks being murdered by non-whites in Chicago..?]

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at June 19, 2022 08:59 PM (Ynyl9)

315 WD-40 is a water dispenser.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at June 19, 2022 08:59 PM (lKAqb)

316 The sammich shit was funny! I used to get hotels rooms at the Waldport there in the Garden district for about 90 a night.

I worked at JRB NOLA about 2 years. Civil Contactor.

Posted by: rhennigantx at June 19, 2022 08:50 PM (yrol0)
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The whole thing was a hoot if you thought about it.

I will say that the catering was first class. Sandwich Bar day was greeted with enthusiasm.

As a sad postscript, one of the Coasties who was a reservist went home to the civilian job and was fired because of some of the social media crap that took place. I got an email and said to contact USERRA but the response was that the job involved too much public interaction to make that viable. What a shitshow.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 19, 2022 09:00 PM (llXky)

317 Regarding firearms, my father as an Army officer was an expert shot in the M1 Garand,, m1 Carbine, and the 1911. Later he shot expert in the M16 A1 and A2 but he never taught me how to shoot. Uncle Sam did that when I was an adult and most of the rest I learned over time from reading, shooting, and some classes.

Later, I taught my mother how to shoot both longarms and pistolas.

Posted by: whig at June 19, 2022 09:00 PM (xA2KX)

318 "I think this is the "training" all-brass round the Army will use. The full power bi-metal cases will get saved for wartime use only. I doubt that the "go to war" rounds will see much use (at least initially) on the civilian market. That's because the much higher chamber pressure of the "go to war" ammo would break most firearms chambered for it.
Posted by: Ed L at June 19, 2022 08:54 PM (/lmRp)"

Higher chamber pressures and shorter barrel life. I try to live by the saying, train as you fight. Shit always goes south and as we know use in the field is a LOT different then on the range. Not knowing how things will react to hard use never ends well. But we can't even get men enough range and training times as it is. So you're probably right because last is prologue.

Posted by: Marcus T at June 19, 2022 09:01 PM (VF4WI)

319 I've got a .243 Winchester named Slick. He's a deer killing machine. One shot, one kill.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at June 19, 2022 09:01 PM (0ocXn)

320 *Preens* Can you fix a 79 Sportster carb for me?
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Sorry, not an automobile guy but if you want 1/56 WW2 tanks made in resin, I'm your man.

[smiles to self upon seeing Frank's reply is #303]

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at June 19, 2022 09:01 PM (yikp0)

321 238 ...
I'm just a weekend warrior zoomie REMF, but don't we have AR platforms that use 7.62mm NATO?

Why are we acting like we have to have INFANTRY engage targets at such long ranges with armor-piercing capability? ...I mean we have this wonderful thing called an AIR FORCE than drops bombs through the back windows of hatchbacks on request (sometimes it's the correct hatchback)...This just seems like a pathetic attempt by the Army to get a budget boost because we have no endless overseas wars to sustain them.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 19, 2022 08:35 PM (llXky)

You do know the armor to be pierced is BODY ARMOR and not tanks, right?

Unless I missed something, CAS for ground troops in contact is not USAF bread and butter in a high intensity fight.
...

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf, still stuck in his misspent youth at June 19, 2022 09:01 PM (8C7+r)

322 Well, the She Equips Herself is the perfect video for me. I got to see my purchase. Will be able to pick up next week (I hope). Mag was broken - but I called Browning and they will send one to me no charge!

Posted by: Iris at June 19, 2022 09:02 PM (foa6+)

323 301 some joker doesn't like AeroKroil ? meh, what do I care about some ignorant heathen's opinion ? works fine for me is all I know.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - ultra maga ftw ! at June 19, 2022 07:08 PM (H4bsh)

and they didn't test Gibbsoil.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 19, 2022 08:52 PM (QA/Pa)
I use Gibbsoil a lot.

Posted by: Eromero at June 19, 2022 09:02 PM (0OP+5)

324 WD-40 is a water dispenser.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at June 19, 2022 08:59 PM (lKAqb)
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One of the greatest developments to ever come out of Titan missile program.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 19, 2022 09:02 PM (5pTK/)

325 The headline I saw in passing a few days ago specifically mentioned M855 which is extra evil because it is "armor piercing."
Posted by: Oddbob at June 19, 2022 07:45 PM (nfrXX)

I wonder what would happen if one were to embed tungsten carbide tire studs into cast lead boolits?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 19, 2022 09:02 PM (QA/Pa)

326 Posted by: Romeo13 at June 19, 2022 08:57 PM (oHd/0)

I think the USN still has M14s in the rifle racks on board its vessels to this day. The Navy Honor Guard still carries them (polished up big time, of course). M14s fitted out with special adapters still see wide use as line throwers (for at sea refueling, passenger transfers, mail transfers, etc.) between ships.

Posted by: Ed L at June 19, 2022 09:02 PM (/lmRp)

327 re 308: as I understand it, the Enfield was produced in huge quantities in England when they were worried about a German invasion. NYC Chief of Detectives Al Seedman in his memoir had an interest story about the Enfield.

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at June 19, 2022 09:02 PM (Ynyl9)

328 Posted by: Iris at June 19, 2022 09:02 PM (foa6+)
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Congratulations again!!

Posted by: Weasel at June 19, 2022 09:02 PM (0IeYL)

329
You do know the armor to be pierced is BODY ARMOR and not tanks, right?

Unless I missed something, CAS for ground troops in contact is not USAF bread and butter in a high intensity fight.
...

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf, still stuck in his misspent youth at June 19, 2022 09:01 PM (8C7+r)
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We'll kill everything in the box, pal. Just let us do our job.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 19, 2022 09:02 PM (llXky)

330 Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at June 19, 2022 08:55 PM (lKAqb)

The only gun my Dad had was an old bolt action .22 from when he was a Kid.

He'd been in the Navy in both WW2 and Korea... and didn't want anything more to do with things that go bang or boom. Moved to about the safest little town in existence... small town right next to a Strategic Air Command base, in a neighborhood where just about every resident was a fairly senior Air Force Officer.

He hated what happened to this town when the Base closed in 83.... but by then all us kids were already gone, so they stuck around.

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 19, 2022 09:03 PM (oHd/0)

331 Also shot some subsonic .22. It's a long 60 g bullet sitting in a .22 short case. Through the can, the impact was louder than the shot.
Of course, with wing gusting to 20+ knots, the rounds were taking sharp right hand turns at 50 yards. And you could watch the whole flight.
Happy Happy Day to Jose!

Posted by: RI Red at June 19, 2022 09:03 PM (3Hz5j)

332 #308 Will-do; will get the nephew to discuss it with his gunsmith.

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at June 19, 2022 09:04 PM (yikp0)

333
Higher chamber pressures and shorter barrel life. I try to live by the saying, train as you fight. Shit always goes south and as we know use in the field is a LOT different then on the range. Not knowing how things will react to hard use never ends well. But we can't even get men enough range and training times as it is. So you're probably right because last is prologue.
Posted by: Marcus T at June 19, 2022 09:01 PM (VF4WI)
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You know, that's a great point. Using a lower pressure training round, then switching to a combat round is going to change mean time to failure, and, probably change the spare parts mix needed.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 19, 2022 09:04 PM (5pTK/)

334 Oh, one last thing andycanuck. No. 1 Enfields had a very long thin barrel that was not designed to be free floated. Out of its military stock without shortening the barrel, they are often quite bad in accuracy without doing some work figuring out the barrel resonance and how it will shoot best. NZFrank might have some ideas about that.
Posted by: whig at June 19, 2022 08:56 PM (xA2KX)

2nd rifle I bought was one of those, still on the rack. They are usually terrible as the bores are normally frosted/rusted from poor cleaning with mil ammo and as Whig said not designed to be shot much without the full stock, but my one is still like that and I have shot a lot of deer with it. It will not group at all after the barrel heats up but you know , one shot , one kill.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at June 19, 2022 09:04 PM (bgJ0E)

335
I wonder what would happen if one were to embed tungsten carbide tire studs into cast lead boolits?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 19, 2022 09:02 PM

or load up some 12ga with the tire studs

Posted by: AltonJackson at June 19, 2022 09:04 PM (ENBF0)

336 WeaselDad was a Naval Aviator and flew a plane that fired rockets and dropped nuclear depth charges. Guess that counts as shooting!

Posted by: Weasel at June 19, 2022 09:05 PM (0IeYL)

337 309 andycanuck, if your nephew wants to restore it, I can direct him to a few places for parts. Email is in nic.

The No. 1 can shoot amazingly well if accurized in its military stock and if the barrel/chamber is in decent shape. It also helps that we have better ammo than back in WWI and even WWII.

From memory, I believe in its full stock, the barrel shoots best with 4-6 lbs upthrust and making sure the front bayonet/end cap does not touch the barrel. Aussies also used to protect the draws with copper pads at the back of the stock and some have the desired heavy HV marked barrels that emulate the later thicker No. 4 barrels and have a bit more accuracy as a result.

Posted by: whig at June 19, 2022 09:05 PM (xA2KX)

338 PS Did you survive the Facebook wars?

Posted by: rhennigantx at June 19, 2022 08:35 PM (yrol0)
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So yeah, that particular Coastie did not. The cruel irony was that this individual was generally a good liberal, joined the Coast Guard to serve the nation, save lives and protect property and ended up getting burned hard.

Biden visited us, of course. I ignored it.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 19, 2022 09:06 PM (llXky)

339 I think the USN still has M14s in the rifle racks on board its vessels to this day. The Navy Honor Guard still carries them (polished up big time, of course). M14s fitted out with special adapters still see wide use as line throwers (for at sea refueling, passenger transfers, mail transfers, etc.) between ships.
Posted by: Ed L at June 19, 2022 09:02 PM (/lmRp)

Thinking on it... probably want the better penetration for Shark guns as well... That would be a gun they send in the small boat during Search and Rescue type ops.

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 19, 2022 09:06 PM (oHd/0)

340 Armor-piercing is the one that blows your lungs out, isn't it??

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at June 19, 2022 09:07 PM (yikp0)

341 Iris, Congratulations on your purchase and Thank You again.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 19, 2022 09:08 PM (WPM4d)

342 340 Armor-piercing is the one that blows your lungs out, isn't it??
Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at June 19, 2022 09:07 PM (yikp0)

Jim?

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 19, 2022 09:08 PM (oHd/0)

343 I wonder what would happen if one were to embed tungsten carbide tire studs into cast lead boolits?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 19, 2022 09:02 PM (QA/Pa)
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Small bench top lathe, drill out nose of bullet, put in tungsten carbide tip, or, heck, small high speed CNC drill bit and away you go.

The 75 grain 243 Winchester round is capable of 3,800 fps, if memory serves. Can you imagine what would happen to body armor if a bullet that fast was tipped with something extremely hard?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 19, 2022 09:08 PM (5pTK/)

344 Funny story: the flight profile after releasing a nuclear weapon has a minimum and maximum airspeed. Dad mentioned you always were going the maximum after the drop.

Posted by: Weasel at June 19, 2022 09:09 PM (0IeYL)

345 So SMLE on a .303 stands for Small Magazine Lee-Enfield?

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 19, 2022 09:10 PM (4+1iY)

346 Armor-piercing is the one that blows your lungs out, isn't it??
Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at June 19, 2022 09:07 PM (yikp0)

Jim?

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 19, 2022 09:08 PM (oHd/0)
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I'd like to meet his tailor.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 19, 2022 09:10 PM (llXky)

347 Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 19, 2022 09:02 PM (QA/Pa)

Tungsten is a no-go. Too much wear on barrels. Too expensive for small arms ammo. The Army currently uses steel tips on top of copper slugs in the 5.56mm M855A1 and 7.62mm NATO M80A1. These deliver a lot of improvement over conventional FMJ lead rounds at an affordable price. As a bonus, the impacted rounds in range backstops are more desirable to the recycling/scrap metal market, and don't have the drawbacks of lead dust being a regulated hazardous waste. Picatinny Arsenal put out a Power Point slide deck about this technology and its performance back in 2011 when the M855A1 was introduced. It's unclassified and available for public download.

Posted by: Ed L at June 19, 2022 09:11 PM (/lmRp)

348 Posted by: Anna Puma at June 19, 2022 09:10 PM (4+1iY)
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Thought it was "short"

Posted by: Weasel at June 19, 2022 09:11 PM (0IeYL)

349 I've been assured by the AF that CAS is a mission not a platform and the F-35 (and I think the AV-8 for Marines) is going to solve all our CAS problems.

Posted by: Marcus T at June 19, 2022 09:12 PM (VF4WI)

350 344 Funny story: the flight profile after releasing a nuclear weapon has a minimum and maximum airspeed. Dad mentioned you always were going the maximum after the drop.
Posted by: Weasel at June 19, 2022 09:09 PM (0IeYL)

Yeah, grew up in an Air Force town... still got 3 retired Air Force types living on my block (1 Nav, 1 Pilot, 1 who we really don't know what he did, but was a Bird Col.).

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 19, 2022 09:12 PM (oHd/0)

351 I am curious so ask here instead of using the search engines.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 19, 2022 09:12 PM (4+1iY)

352 Hey Iris!
Good for you! I hope you also got SEH #4 item.

Pepper spray. It's good to have a non lethal way of protecting yourself as well. Especially in an urban situation.

Love you, lady!!!!

Posted by: nurse ratched at June 19, 2022 09:12 PM (U2p+3)

353 ...
There is great utility in an infantry unit that can reach out to >500m with rifles. As a point of reference, US Stryker equipped units will typically dismount infantry 2+ km from an attack objective. Having a few hundred meters of engagement envelope for defending as compared to M16Ax or M4Ax makes for a world of difference.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf, still stuck in his misspent youth at June 19, 2022 09:12 PM (8C7+r)

354 327 mallfly, estimates are over 10 to possible 15 million No. 1 and no 4 model Enfields were produced by various countries.

But, other than sporterized versions, the days of cheap military surplus bolt actions had ended. I started restoring those sporterized versions back to as issued condition back in the 00's as a project to do when I could not get around much.

Too expensive a hobby today and I am finishing the last couple of restoration projects slowly but surely--a Lebel and a late 1888 model Spanish American War era Trapdoor Springfield.

Posted by: whig at June 19, 2022 09:12 PM (xA2KX)

355 Weasel, nuclear depth charges? Holy cow! A near miss by a nuclear depth charge is probably measured in thousands of yards!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 19, 2022 09:13 PM (5pTK/)

356 346 Armor-piercing is the one that blows your lungs out, isn't it??
Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at June 19, 2022 09:07 PM (yikp0)

Jim?

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 19, 2022 09:08 PM (oHd/0)

I'd like to meet his tailor.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 19, 2022 09:10 PM (llXky)

Ode to a great songwriter, but... wouldn't 'Roland the Headless Thompson Gunner' be more appropriate for the subject matter of this thread?

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 19, 2022 09:14 PM (oHd/0)

357 How rich is the United States?

They can send a $60 million airplane to bomb a $50,000 truck and loose the plane to a $2 bullet...

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 19, 2022 09:14 PM (4+1iY)

358 "You know, that's a great point. Using a lower pressure training round, then switching to a combat round is going to change mean time to failure, and, probably change the spare parts mix needed.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 19, 2022 09:04 PM (5pTK/)"

Please stop thinking logically. It's upsetting the brass with a vested interest in their pet programs, not the mission.

Posted by: Marcus T at June 19, 2022 09:14 PM (VF4WI)

359 Or... maybe.... send Lawyers, Guns, and Money?

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 19, 2022 09:14 PM (oHd/0)

360 Ed L, I'm thinking about using depleted uranium in my 5.56 rounds. Whadaya think?

Posted by: RI Red at June 19, 2022 09:14 PM (3Hz5j)

361 Aussies also used to protect the draws with copper pads at the back of the stock and some have the desired heavy HV marked barrels that emulate the later thicker No. 4 barrels and have a bit more accuracy as a result.
Posted by: whig at June 19, 2022 09:05 PM (xA2KX)

The Aussie HV heavy barrel will shoot out to 600m and once you get a decent projectile, they can group really well. I have a Fulton Regulated No 4 IN 7.62x51 with a heavy target barrel which I use at 900 - 1200 due to its positive compensation, " clap in t'clout".

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at June 19, 2022 09:14 PM (bgJ0E)

362 345 So SMLE on a .303 stands for Small Magazine Lee-Enfield?

Posted by: Anna Puma
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Short instead of small.

The older Long Lees were musket barrel length roughly 30+ inches or so. Blackpowder required longer barrels than the newer smokeless powder was found to require.

Posted by: whig at June 19, 2022 09:15 PM (xA2KX)

363 Posted by: Anna Puma at June 19, 2022 09:10 PM (4+1iY)

Short Magazine Lee Enfield.

Posted by: Ed L at June 19, 2022 09:15 PM (/lmRp)

364 Too expensive a hobby today and I am finishing the last couple of restoration projects slowly but surely--a Lebel and a late 1888 model Spanish American War era Trapdoor Springfield.
Posted by: whig at June 19, 2022 09:12 PM (xA2KX)

Its.... a Trap?

Posted by: Admiral Ackbar at June 19, 2022 09:15 PM (oHd/0)

365 I've been assured by the AF that CAS is a mission not a platform and the F-35 (and I think the AV-8 for Marines) is going to solve all our CAS problems.

Posted by: Marcus T at June 19, 2022 09:12 PM (VF4WI)
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The AV-8s are on their way out.

Here's the thing: if you're talking about peer-to-peer engagement, expecting riflemen to fight riflemen at ranges only seen in the Hindu Kush is...anti-logical.

With the benefit of hindsight, the problem of Afghanistan was that our leaders lied like rugs about what was happening. A new rifle won't fix that.

But it will make contractors (and retired O-7s and O-8s) very very rich.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 19, 2022 09:15 PM (llXky)

366 In honor of Junteenth, a celebration dinner:

https://tinyurl.com/pauwwdva

Posted by: Javems at June 19, 2022 09:16 PM (AmoqO)

367 Thanks for clarifying it stands for Short.

Had always wondered what the SMLE stood for.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 19, 2022 09:17 PM (4+1iY)

368 There is great utility in an infantry unit that can reach out to >500m with rifles. As a point of reference, US Stryker equipped units will typically dismount infantry 2+ km from an attack objective. Having a few hundred meters of engagement envelope for defending as compared to M16Ax or M4Ax makes for a world of difference.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf, still stuck in his misspent youth at June 19, 2022 09:12 PM (8C7+r)
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Again, you're assuming that the 'commander's intent' is to win.

See also, Afghanistan.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 19, 2022 09:18 PM (llXky)

369 I wonder when the USAF will try to retire the A-10C again.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 19, 2022 09:18 PM (4+1iY)

370 NZFrank,
You would provide an interesting thread of pix and commentary about from your collection for months. Fulton did really excellent work but they are scarce and very pricey in the US.

I have only seen them in pictures but I do understand some of their tricks used to accurize them.

Posted by: whig at June 19, 2022 09:18 PM (xA2KX)

371 325 The headline I saw in passing a few days ago specifically mentioned M855 which is extra evil because it is "armor piercing."
Posted by: Oddbob at June 19, 2022 07:45 PM (nfrXX)

I wonder what would happen if one were to embed tungsten carbide tire studs into cast lead boolits?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 19, 2022 09:02 PM (QA/Pa)

The hard part is getting the penetrator well centered. #D printed sabot would likely be more accurate in that regard.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf, still stuck in his misspent youth at June 19, 2022 09:19 PM (8C7+r)

372 357 How rich is the United States?

They can send a $60 million airplane to bomb a $50,000 truck and loose the plane to a $2 bullet...
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 19, 2022 09:14 PM (4+1iY)
Lose a dollar to take out a penny.

Posted by: Eromero at June 19, 2022 09:19 PM (0OP+5)

373 #337 I'll check for any HV marks then -- there is an M stamped on a breech part; there were some other marks but it looks like they were deliberately stamped out [for civilian resale?] although there maybe 'broad arrow' marks amongst them.

Serial number [I assume] on both a barrel part and a breech part next to each other is a "6 -- new line -- 53496".

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at June 19, 2022 09:19 PM (yikp0)

374 Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 19, 2022 09:13 PM (5pTK/)
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Yeah! Pretty cool. I guess you just need to get them into the general area!

Posted by: Weasel at June 19, 2022 09:19 PM (0IeYL)

375 367 Thanks for clarifying it stands for Short.

Had always wondered what the SMLE stood for.
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 19, 2022 09:17 PM (4+1iY)

Smelly.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at June 19, 2022 09:19 PM (bgJ0E)

376 I wonder when the USAF will try to retire the A-10C again.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 19, 2022 09:18 PM (4+1iY)
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The issue now is that they are getting pretty old. One of the situations where the pilots are flying daddy's plane. At some point they will go away.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 19, 2022 09:20 PM (llXky)

377 Its.... a Trap?

Posted by: Admiral Ackbar
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Yep, during the 00's, there were quite a few rifles that were suitable for restoration and the parts to do it. Really hard to do and pricey now. Videogames and WWI centennial also made some firearms desirable like the Lebel.

Posted by: whig at June 19, 2022 09:20 PM (xA2KX)

378 178 ... "My RCBS 505 (?) scale and the Lee Auto Drum, press-mounted, I find quick and easy, and the consistency of the throws is impressive."

Hi rhomboid,
Agree and I've used both when at the bench. The scoops are handy, especially for my armchair and lap desk routine. Or if I needed a minimal traveling reloading set up.

Posted by: JTB at June 19, 2022 09:20 PM (7EjX1)

379 329
We'll kill everything in the box, pal. Just let us do our job.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 19, 2022 09:02 PM (llXky)

With a 72hr ATO creation cycle? Sell it to the Air Force, Mayo. Wait..

Heh.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf, still stuck in his misspent youth at June 19, 2022 09:20 PM (8C7+r)

380 And Big Army has plenty of spare barrels, bolts, and other spare parts to repair broken rifles.

Posted by: Ed L at June 19, 2022 08:40 PM (/lmRp)

Correction, Ed: Big Army WILL HAVE plenty of spare parts. Right now they got bupkus for the new round.

All soldiers study tactics.
Better soldiers study strategy, too.
The best soldiers study logistics, on top of that.

Posted by: GWB at June 19, 2022 09:20 PM (+Lvag)

381 The A-10C modification program saw the replacement of the wing skins along with all the wiring and electronic upgrades.

So the fatigue life of each rebuilt airframe has been extended.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 19, 2022 09:22 PM (4+1iY)

382 Posted by: RI Red at June 19, 2022 09:14 PM (3Hz5j)

You'll need to shoot it out of a smoothbore barrel w/ sabot technology to avoid creating DU dust. If you can't avoid using a rifled barrel, you'd better wear a completely sealed hazmat suit if you do, and decon yourself before removing it. Getting DU dust in your lungs isn't a very pleasant way to go.

In other words, cool concept, but not terribly practical w/ today's technology.

Posted by: Ed L at June 19, 2022 09:22 PM (/lmRp)

383 "You know, that's a great point. Using a lower pressure training round, then switching to a combat round is going to change mean time to failure, and, probably change the spare parts mix needed.
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[recalls training with Daisy BB guns]
https://beaufortcountynow.com/post/19789

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 19, 2022 09:22 PM (pPheI)

384 "US Stryker equipped units will typically dismount infantry 2+ km from an attack objective"

MCWS will now have a 30mm canon on the Styker, some of them remote. So there's that.

Posted by: Marcus T at June 19, 2022 09:23 PM (VF4WI)

385 OK, 9:23 thank you time!

Thank you!

Sure do appreciate you guys and gals being here tonight!

Posted by: Weasel at June 19, 2022 09:23 PM (q8ymT)

386 197 ... "I have bought several useful trinkets for the presses such as a 3d cover for a primer arm slot in the Lee Turret Press and Classic Cast press. Keeps expended primers from jumping out."

whig,
Thanks for the heads up. I usually spread a towel or sheet under the press to keep the spent primers from skating all over the tile floor. At least the hand press captures the spent primers every time.

Posted by: JTB at June 19, 2022 09:24 PM (7EjX1)

387 366 In honor of Junteenth, a celebration dinner:

https://tinyurl.com/pauwwdva
Posted by: Javems at June 19, 2022 09:16 PM (AmoqO)
Hah! Now that right there made my evening. This calls for another drink. Thanks, Javems.

Posted by: Eromero at June 19, 2022 09:24 PM (0OP+5)

388 Later, weasel! Thanks again!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 19, 2022 09:24 PM (5pTK/)

389 USAF also was so 'smart' they adapted the M-16s used in Basic for marksmanship training to fire the cheaper .22LR.

It sucked.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 19, 2022 09:24 PM (4+1iY)

390 So the fatigue life of each rebuilt airframe has been extended.
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 19, 2022 09:22 PM (4+1iY)

See, also "BUFF". Going on 70 years, so they are flying their Grandfather's planes.

Posted by: RI Red at June 19, 2022 09:24 PM (3Hz5j)

391 364 Too expensive a hobby today and I am finishing the last couple of restoration projects slowly but surely--a Lebel and a late 1888 model Spanish American War era Trapdoor Springfield.
Posted by: whig at June 19, 2022 09:12 PM (xA2KX)

Many moons ago I started a collection of U.S.Army long guns. My next purchase was going to be a Trapdoor Springfield. Alas my change in fortunes ended my collection aspirations. I really wanted a good sample. Still do. Maybe I can convince my son he needs one.

Posted by: Javems at June 19, 2022 09:25 PM (AmoqO)

392 Posted by: JTB at June 19, 2022 09:24 PM (7EjX1)
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Don't tell WW, but there may be several hundred spent primers under the washer and dryer.

Posted by: Weasel at June 19, 2022 09:25 PM (0IeYL)

393 With a 72hr ATO creation cycle? Sell it to the Air Force, Mayo. Wait..

Heh.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf, still stuck in his misspent youth at June 19, 2022 09:20 PM (8C7+r)
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So are we engaging in a land war in Asia? Will longer range rifles be the the decisive advantage?

We should be strengthening air, sea and space, not preparing the Army for another round of COIN sniper duels.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 19, 2022 09:26 PM (llXky)

394 See, also "BUFF". Going on 70 years, so they are flying their Grandfather's planes.
Posted by: RI Red at June 19, 2022 09:24 PM (3Hz5j)
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Still think it's amazing the Air Force, when they need a replacement, just pulls one out of mothballs and reconditions it.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 19, 2022 09:26 PM (5pTK/)

395 Ed L, my first problem is actually acquiring said DU. Maybe Marty can get me some from Libyan terrorists. Or was that Plutonium?

Posted by: RI Red at June 19, 2022 09:26 PM (3Hz5j)

396 So are we engaging in a land war in Asia? Will longer range rifles be the the decisive advantage?

We should be strengthening air, sea and space, not preparing the Army for another round of COIN sniper duels.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 19, 2022 09:26 PM (llXky)
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forward deployment of drones might be useful. Information is power.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 19, 2022 09:27 PM (5pTK/)

397
In honor of Junteenth, a celebration dinner:

https://tinyurl.com/pauwwdva
Posted by: Javems

At least they don't have to wear masks.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 19, 2022 09:27 PM (63Dwl)

398 See, also "BUFF". Going on 70 years, so they are flying their Grandfather's planes.

Posted by: RI Red at June 19, 2022 09:24 PM (3Hz5j)
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Different mission profile. B-52s don't expect to enter contested airspace. They're bomb trucks.

The A-10 was designed for an 80s threat environment. Not sure if that's viable now.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 19, 2022 09:28 PM (llXky)

399 Posted by: Anna Puma at June 19, 2022 09:18 PM (4+1iY)

Right before it's needed to do CAS again. Don't forget that A-10s scored two air to air kills against enemy helicopters in 1991 w/ their guns. So it COULD be used against enemy helicopters w/ some expectation of success.

Posted by: Ed L at June 19, 2022 09:28 PM (/lmRp)

400 Tungsten is a no-go. Too much wear on barrels. Too expensive for small arms ammo. The Army currently uses steel tips on top of copper slugs in the 5.56mm M855A1 and 7.62mm NATO M80A1. These deliver a lot of improvement over conventional FMJ lead rounds at an affordable price. As a bonus, the impacted rounds in range backstops are more desirable to the recycling/scrap metal market, and don't have the drawbacks of lead dust being a regulated hazardous waste. Picatinny Arsenal put out a Power Point slide deck about this technology and its performance back in 2011 when the M855A1 was introduced. It's unclassified and available for public download.
Posted by: Ed L at June 19, 2022 09:11 PM (/lmRp)

Well, I wasn't suggesting it become the military standard, LOL. Just something that a home craftsman could brew up in the basement. And if the carbide core is properly centered in the lead slug, it should never touch the barrel.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 19, 2022 09:28 PM (hYzEX)

401 Weasel,
Before our internet kicks out again, thanks for another great thread. It's always appreciated. Even when I can't get to the range there is always fun information here.

Posted by: JTB at June 19, 2022 09:29 PM (7EjX1)

402 Still think it's amazing the Air Force, when they need a replacement, just pulls one out of mothballs and reconditions it.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 19, 2022 09:26 PM (5pTK/)
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The pictures of the boneyards are amazing.

See also: "The Best Years of our Lives." When the ex-bombardier enters the salvage area it's heartbreaking.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 19, 2022 09:29 PM (llXky)

403 Well, time to wander. Next match is next week. It will be another local match I've never shot, Should be a hoot.

Later!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 19, 2022 09:29 PM (5pTK/)

404 Posted by: JTB at June 19, 2022 09:29 PM (7EjX1)
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My pleasure, JTB. Thank you for being here.

Posted by: Weasel at June 19, 2022 09:30 PM (0IeYL)

405 Thanks for hosting, Weasel!

Posted by: Ed L at June 19, 2022 09:30 PM (/lmRp)

406 373 #337 I'll check for any HV marks then -- there is an M stamped on a breech part; there were some other marks but it looks like they were deliberately stamped out [for civilian resale?] although there maybe 'broad arrow' marks amongst them.

Serial number [I assume] on both a barrel part and a breech part next to each other is a "6 -- new line -- 53496".

Posted by: andycanuck
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Links to marks
https://enfield-stuff.com/Pages/2-codes_marks.html
Milsurps dot com forum has Peter Laidler who was a former Army Armorer officer and several others that live in Australia and New Zealand commenting. You might get more traction from there.

The magnum opus of books is the Lee Enfield by Ian Skennerton which is a bit pricey for basic information. The cheaper Stratton authored Lee Enfield Rifles volume 1 runs about 20 bucks from Amazon and has quite a bit of information about them.

Posted by: whig at June 19, 2022 09:31 PM (xA2KX)

407 Well, you never know what to expect on the gun thread! Firearms! Books! Military doctrine!

We've got it all.

Thanks, Weasel, for pulling it all together.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 19, 2022 09:31 PM (llXky)

408 Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 19, 2022 09:29 PM (5pTK/)
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Good luck and aim for the middle!

Posted by: Weasel at June 19, 2022 09:31 PM (0IeYL)

409 Thanks, Weasel. Love the gub. Have a great week, amigo.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at June 19, 2022 09:32 PM (Xrfse)

410 392 ... "Don't tell WW, but there may be several hundred spent primers under the washer and dryer."

It will be our secret, buddy.

Posted by: JTB at June 19, 2022 09:32 PM (7EjX1)

411 Have you seen the Rheinmetal prototype Panther tank?

130mm smooth bore cannon. Auto loader. 20 round magazine. But keeps a 4 man crew, the 4th person can be tasked to run EW or when fitted an Israeli smart weapon to reach out and kill people further than the main gun. It is also equipped with a remote control machine gun turret that can elevate to 85 degrees so makes a good anti-drone weapon.

This new turret rests upon the tried and tested Leopard A2 chassis and engine. And it weighs a bit lighter at 59 tons.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 19, 2022 09:32 PM (4+1iY)

412 Thanks Nurse! Yes I do have some. I need to carry it with me (just have for home defense) right now.

See you in Oct!

Posted by: Iris at June 19, 2022 09:32 PM (foa6+)

413
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 19, 2022 09:31 PM (llXky)
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Happy to do it, AHL. All y'all are the best.

Posted by: Weasel at June 19, 2022 09:32 PM (0IeYL)

414 I've got it! We imbed porcelain from spark plugs in the round! At least it will break car side windows.

Posted by: RI Red at June 19, 2022 09:32 PM (3Hz5j)

415 I dunno. I'll admit nostalgia for the A10, but as I watch battlefields like Ukraine and Nagorno Karabak I think They've seen their day.

Posted by: Marcus T at June 19, 2022 09:33 PM (VF4WI)

416
See also: "The Best Years of our Lives." When the ex-bombardier enters the salvage area it's heartbreaking.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd

That's my favorite part of the movie when he's in the plane sweating and the music builds and builds.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 19, 2022 09:33 PM (63Dwl)

417 382 Posted by: RI Red at June 19, 2022 09:14 PM (3Hz5j)

You'll need to shoot it out of a smoothbore barrel w/ sabot technology to avoid creating DU dust. If you can't avoid using a rifled barrel, you'd better wear a completely sealed hazmat suit if you do, and decon yourself before removing it. Getting DU dust in your lungs isn't a very pleasant way to go.

In other words, cool concept, but not terribly practical w/ today's technology.
Posted by: Ed L at June 19, 2022 09:22 PM (/lmRp)
Yes, snorfted some of that dust in 2005. And it's still there on the well-named Highway Of Death.

Posted by: Eromero at June 19, 2022 09:33 PM (0OP+5)

418 Posted by: Notorious BFD at June 19, 2022 09:32 PM (Xrfse)
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Glad to hear it. Thank you!

Posted by: Weasel at June 19, 2022 09:33 PM (0IeYL)

419 Too expensive a hobby today and I am finishing the last couple of restoration projects slowly but surely--a Lebel and a late 1888 model Spanish American War era Trapdoor Springfield.
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Coincidentally enough, I'd like to get a Canadian WW1 Ross rifle [although the early 1902 version is very neat too] so that I watched several videos about them just last week. [Based on the Austrian Mannlicher.]

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at June 19, 2022 09:34 PM (yikp0)

420 Posted by: Ed L at June 19, 2022 09:30 PM (/lmRp)
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Happy to do it, Ed L!!

Posted by: Weasel at June 19, 2022 09:34 PM (0IeYL)

421 Many moons ago I started a collection of U.S.Army long guns. My next purchase was going to be a Trapdoor Springfield. Alas my change in fortunes ended my collection aspirations. I really wanted a good sample. Still do. Maybe I can convince my son he needs one.

Posted by: Javems
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I understand. You can still get some that may well worn or altered at about the same price as WWI vintage rifles and price movement has been slow on them as opposed to WWI and later military arms.

Older guns in average or less condition often descend to what the parts will bring separately. Not a large growth in people interested in shooting black powder from the post civil war era either. A first person shooter game using single shot black powder rifles just does not have the cachet that full auto does.

Posted by: whig at June 19, 2022 09:35 PM (xA2KX)

422 [recalls training with Daisy BB guns]
https://beaufortcountynow.com/post/19789

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 19, 2022 09:22 PM (pPheI)

I went through a familiarization class on "Quick Kill" back in 1969. The tack's demonstrating were impressive. Not sure how the training worked out. Seemed logical to me.

Posted by: Javems at June 19, 2022 09:36 PM (AmoqO)

423 A.H. Lloyd the A-10C has been rewired to use smart munitions.

Korea, a Royal Navy Sea Fury bagged a MiG-15. In Vietnam, unguided Zuni rockets from an A-4 clobbered a MiG-17. One MiG-21 fell victim to a jettisoned drop tank from a F-105G that was trying to get away.

It all depends upon the fight in the pilot and sometimes if the gomer on the other side decides to be stupid.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 19, 2022 09:36 PM (4+1iY)

424 Yeah, AH Lloyd, Weasel throws out a tiny bit of red meat, and we turn it into bullets, cigars and uranium.
It's why I come here!

Posted by: RI Red at June 19, 2022 09:37 PM (3Hz5j)

425 419 Andycanuck,
I have a Ross 1905 that someone sporterized. It is in firing condition but perhaps someday will fit a repro military stock for it. The Ross is an interesting rifle with a very smooth action.

Posted by: whig at June 19, 2022 09:37 PM (xA2KX)

426 402 Still think it's amazing the Air Force, when they need a replacement, just pulls one out of mothballs and reconditions it.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 19, 2022 09:26 PM (5pTK/)
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The pictures of the boneyards are amazing.

See also: "The Best Years of our Lives." When the ex-bombardier enters the salvage area it's heartbreaking.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 19, 2022 09:29 PM (llXky)
Sorta glad those guys (and Pappy Eromero) ain't around to see what's going on today.

Posted by: Eromero at June 19, 2022 09:39 PM (0OP+5)

427 Re attached the red dot that fell off my P95 at the range. Made sure to get the Loctite in there.

Posted by: blaster at June 19, 2022 09:39 PM (6TxNR)

428 Forgot to thank you Weasel and other commenters.

High point for the week to come.

Posted by: whig at June 19, 2022 09:39 PM (xA2KX)

429 Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 19, 2022 09:26 PM (llXky)

The debate over the need for riflemen to reach out to 500m has been ongoing within the Army for 10+ years. See MAJ Thomas Ehrhart's paper, "Taking Back the Infantry Half-Kilometer." Beyond just the issue of a longer ranged rifle for the infantry, MAJ Ehrhart also addresses the need for better, more realistic training to be incorporated into Army marksmanship qualification to make this concept work. He criticizes the lack of realism in the Army's then current (2009) rifle qualification regimen, arguing that the 1940s Army did a much better job than the modern Army at rifle training. The 6.8mm X 51 and NGSW appear to address the longer range capability need identified by MAJ Ehrhart, but not the training requirements. The paper is downloadable and available to the public.

Posted by: Ed L at June 19, 2022 09:41 PM (/lmRp)

430 And it's still there on the well-named Highway Of Death.

Posted by: Eromero at June 19, 2022 09:33 PM (0OP+5)

My son spent almost a year in a squad sized compound along the 'Highway of Death". They were within sight of Babylon. The actual Babylon. He sent pictures back. The quiet confidence those young men showed amazed me.

Posted by: Javems at June 19, 2022 09:41 PM (AmoqO)

431 Hope all the Horde dads have had a wonderful Father's Day.

No range report, went hiking instead, but practiced with snap caps in the 1911. Thought I had lost one, was turning the place upside down to find it. Finally thought to check Jesse's Knob Creek Range hoodie that's still draped over the back of his chair and there it was!

Also found a spare pistol rug while searching the room so I don't have to buy one for the 1911.

Hugs to ev'rybody and a T-R-E-A-T for the Horde pets in honor of FSJ's anniversary!

Posted by: screaming in digital at June 19, 2022 09:42 PM (pkAcY)

432 Aerokrol? Damn, I haven't heard that name since my dad brought several cans to help me loosen a seized flywheel on an 80 hp Evinrude. I'm getting verklempt...talk amongst yourselves...

Posted by: Joe Kidd at June 19, 2022 09:42 PM (RMN7W)

433 Word, Eromero. Maybe some folks will rise to the occasion and honor them.

Posted by: RI Red at June 19, 2022 09:42 PM (3Hz5j)

434 Hope you are feeling well whig.

Posted by: Javems at June 19, 2022 09:42 PM (AmoqO)

435 Posted by: whig at June 19, 2022 09:39 PM (xA2KX)
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Thanks for being here and contributing, whig!

Posted by: Weasel at June 19, 2022 09:44 PM (0IeYL)

436 My dad and mother both loved to hunt. He taught us how to shoot, as well as many of the grandkids who lived nearby.

At college, a suitemate asked me if I had any pics of my family that didn't include a dead animal.

Posted by: sal at June 19, 2022 09:45 PM (y40tE)

437 Posted by: screaming in digital at June 19, 2022 09:42 PM (pkAcY)
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FSJ sends a tail wag!

Posted by: Weasel at June 19, 2022 09:45 PM (0IeYL)

438 Thank you Weasel, for your modern day Revere Ride.

Posted by: Eromero at June 19, 2022 09:46 PM (0OP+5)

439 Posted by: Eromero at June 19, 2022 09:46 PM (0OP+5)
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Thanks, brother.

Posted by: Weasel at June 19, 2022 09:47 PM (0IeYL)

440 {{{Screaming in digital}}}

This year in Corsicana.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at June 19, 2022 09:47 PM (u82oZ)

441 Weasel

Great content, as usual. Thinking of the Beretta Bobcat. Hmmm.

Has the A Salt gun been tested on Minnesota black flies and Canadian mosquitos? I could have used that data on my northern canoe trips.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at June 19, 2022 09:49 PM (u82oZ)

442 Sigh.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 19, 2022 09:49 PM (anj39)

443 sal

Did you ask him 'So, are you an animal?"

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at June 19, 2022 09:50 PM (u82oZ)

444 Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at June 19, 2022 09:49 PM (u82oZ)
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Thanks, Salty!

Well, these were large and aggressive flies!

Posted by: Weasel at June 19, 2022 09:50 PM (0IeYL)

445 Weasel, as always.
Think I may listen to your advice again and Buy Ammo. Again.
Revere Ride - I love it.

Posted by: RI Red at June 19, 2022 09:51 PM (3Hz5j)

446 Waited for the outside temp to get down to 95 and had about an hour before dark to try to get some stuff done. Back just in time to say good night. Thanks Weasel.

Posted by: Zombie Bill Monroe at June 19, 2022 09:52 PM (nfrXX)

447 Posted by: RI Red at June 19, 2022 09:51 PM (3Hz5j)
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Always buy ammo!

Posted by: Weasel at June 19, 2022 09:52 PM (0IeYL)

448 This year in Corsicana.
Posted by: NaCly Dog
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I sure hope so, Salty. Lots of things up in the air for me right now and 2 other major trips back east in between now and then...

Posted by: screaming in digital at June 19, 2022 09:52 PM (pkAcY)

449 >>> 14 Howdy, Weasel, and fellow Gub Horde members. The idea of a laser for my Bug-A-Salt is oddly compelling. (My dog is always right at my side when I pick up my copy, because she loves to eat the "skyraisins" after I knock them down to her level. With a visible laser, I could encourage the cats to join in the hunt as well... 8^)
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at June 19, 2022 07:10 PM (v23vE)

I would avoid getting the kittehs in the target zone. Salt in the face is not lethal but it isn't pleasant either. But if they too like the protein treats they could help with the cleanup of the little twitching corpses.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at June 19, 2022 09:53 PM (llON8)

450 411 Have you seen the Rheinmetal prototype Panther tank?

130mm smooth bore cannon. Auto loader. 20 round magazine. But keeps a 4 man crew, the 4th person can be tasked to run EW or when fitted an Israeli smart weapon to reach out and kill people further than the main gun. It is also equipped with a remote control machine gun turret that can elevate to 85 degrees so makes a good anti-drone weapon.

This new turret rests upon the tried and tested Leopard A2 chassis and engine. And it weighs a bit lighter at 59 tons.
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 19, 2022 09:32 PM (4+1iY)

20rds is a tad light for a basic load. Have to amp up the log tail to provide more than one resupply per day.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf, still stuck in his misspent youth at June 19, 2022 09:53 PM (8C7+r)

451 Posted by: Zombie Bill Monroe at June 19, 2022 09:52 PM (nfrXX)
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Howdy and welcome, Zombie Bill!!

Posted by: Weasel at June 19, 2022 09:54 PM (0IeYL)

452 Andycanuck, I have a Ross 1905 that someone sporterized. It is in firing condition but perhaps someday will fit a repro military stock for it. The Ross is an interesting rifle with a very smooth action.
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Especially if you do restore it but even for the sporterized version that maybe I would get worked on here, I'll be happy to buy it from you [and feel free to overcharge me!] especially if it's fire-able if you decide to sell one day.

The demonstration videos were fairly complimentary while addressing some of the flaws with the various models; and I won't be using it in the Flanders mud -- I hope.

Speaking of Fathers Day, in the '70s as a young teen at a shopping mall, my dad and I saw a floor-lamp with a Ross running up the side of the lamp's post. [Not as the lamp's post with the insides drilled out for the wiring.] He'd trained on them in the RCN at Esquimalt, B.C. in '43; and the Wiki said some were used on shipboard to save the Lee-Enfields for the land forces.

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at June 19, 2022 09:54 PM (yikp0)

453 >>> 429 Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 19, 2022 09:26 PM (llXky)

The debate over the need for riflemen to reach out to 500m has been ongoing within the Army for 10+ years. See MAJ Thomas Ehrhart's paper, "Taking Back the Infantry Half-Kilometer." Beyond just the issue of a longer ranged rifle for the infantry, MAJ Ehrhart also addresses the need for better, more realistic training to be incorporated into Army marksmanship qualification to make this concept work. He criticizes the lack of realism in the Army's then current (2009) rifle qualification regimen, arguing that the 1940s Army did a much better job than the modern Army at rifle training. The 6.8mm X 51 and NGSW appear to address the longer range capability need identified by MAJ Ehrhart, but not the training requirements. The paper is downloadable and available to the public.
Posted by: Ed L at June 19, 2022 09:41 PM (/lmRp)

Aren't they too busy for trivialities like marksmanship right now, making sure they are properly diverse and shit?

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at June 19, 2022 09:56 PM (llON8)

454 And I love the idea of that 3D primer slot cover - trying to picture how it fits on the ram (?).

Link please? My Lee press is the dedicated decapping press. I cut a hole in a scrap of cardboard, fold in a U shaped channel and jam it over the ram to direct primers to a trash can. A better, more permanent solution would be nice.

Posted by: Zombie Bill Monroe at June 19, 2022 09:57 PM (nfrXX)

455 Hey! I made it before the bar closed! Howdy all.
Had a chance to go to the range and expend 200 rounds of 124 grain 9mm in that P365. I added a Hogue rubber grip sleeve and that alleviated a lot of the pain I was having from such a small frame in my hands. Havent sprung for a 15 rnd mag yet, but may not need to now. Was shooting low at 21 feet, but since it was my second time with it, I think I did ok. Was able to keep groups relatively close. Will keep trying to improve. Thanks for the thread Weasel!

Posted by: 10 Gallon Hat at June 19, 2022 09:57 PM (EAwmw)

456 Oh yeah! Happy Father's Day to all the dad horde!

Posted by: 10 Gallon Hat at June 19, 2022 09:58 PM (EAwmw)

457 Posted by: 10 Gallon Hat at June 19, 2022 09:57 PM (EAwmw)
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Happy to do it! Thanks!

Posted by: Weasel at June 19, 2022 09:58 PM (0IeYL)

458 Posted by: Anna Puma at June 19, 2022 09:32 PM (4+1iY)

Saw pictures... wouldn't the slope of the Glacis on the turret, bottom half, create a shot trap that would pop the turret?

I'm not a tank guy... but I do know me some physics. You're funneling any shot for about 1/4 of the front, straight into the ring holding the turret on.

Posted by: Admiral Ackbar at June 19, 2022 10:00 PM (oHd/0)

459 I note that #10&11 percussion caps are becoming super scarce. This is going to bite me shortly, my supply is dwindling.

Been using Pyrodex for propellant with very good results, cleanup is quite easy now, and availability is not an issue--yet.

Posted by: irongrampa at June 19, 2022 10:01 PM (KATBx)

460 Posted by: Iron Mike Golf, still stuck in his misspent youth at June 19, 2022 09:53 PM (8C7+r)

IIRC, the Israeli Merkava has a 60 round magazine of 120mm. The Israelis moved the engine to the front of the tank and put in large rear doors to speed up combat replenishment and increase ammo capacity based on their experience in 1973.

Posted by: Ed L at June 19, 2022 10:01 PM (/lmRp)

461 Ran across this cigar shop near my neighborhood so had to stop and get one of their handrolls. It was "ok" https://tinyurl.com/35n92h46

Posted by: 10 Gallon Hat at June 19, 2022 10:01 PM (EAwmw)

462 Howdy Weasel!

Thanks for another good gun thread.

We have lots of relatives in town, so I had to cook some dead animals to feed that horde.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at June 19, 2022 10:02 PM (tkyK5)

463 Andy,
I will let you know if I am ready to get rid of it. The barrel has decent rifling, bolt and chamber are in good condition, and the action headspaces properly but I have not had an opportunity to test fire it.

I have another bare Ross Action with a full length barrel on it and was going to swap and headspace that barrel to the action via a local gunsmith fitting it out. The barrel on the complete action that I have has been cut to 22 or so inches.

Posted by: whig at June 19, 2022 10:02 PM (xA2KX)

464 Posted by: Helena Handbasket at June 19, 2022 09:56 PM (llON

Always. Until the next war happens, and everyone goes "Oh shit."

Posted by: Ed L at June 19, 2022 10:03 PM (/lmRp)

465 $0.95 for regular in 2020? Perhaps you meant 2002?

Posted by: FriscoYoda at June 19, 2022 10:03 PM (S7une)

466 465 $0.95 for regular in 2020? Perhaps you meant 2002?
Posted by: FriscoYoda at June 19, 2022 10:03 PM (S7une)
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Nope. April of 2020!

Posted by: Weasel at June 19, 2022 10:05 PM (0IeYL)

467 Where did you find gas for $0.95 in 2020?

Posted by: FriscoYoda at June 19, 2022 10:05 PM (S7une)

468 Link please? My Lee press is the dedicated decapping press. I cut a hole in a scrap of cardboard, fold in a U shaped channel and jam it over the ram to direct primers to a trash can. A better, more permanent solution would be nice.

Posted by: Zombie Bill Monroe
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Reloading3d is the seller on Ebay. Here is a link to what I was talking about for the Classic Cast press https://tinyurl.com/3553nhpk
He is selling it for 9.99.

Posted by: whig at June 19, 2022 10:05 PM (xA2KX)

469 Gnight folks.

Posted by: whig at June 19, 2022 10:06 PM (xA2KX)

470 Posted by: FriscoYoda at June 19, 2022 10:05 PM (S7une)
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Central Virginia, west of Richmond.

Posted by: Weasel at June 19, 2022 10:07 PM (0IeYL)

471 M-16 had no problem with 450 meters. I'm sure 500 meters would not be a problem. Anything over 500 is probably area anyway.

Posted by: Javems at June 19, 2022 10:09 PM (AmoqO)

472 OK, the ONT should be along any minute. Have a great week and hope to see all y'all right back here next Sunday!

'Nite!

Posted by: Weasel at June 19, 2022 10:09 PM (0IeYL)

473
New Shooter Report with Cur:

My Stepfather's nephew and family are here in the states visiting from Holland this week. Just did Friday and Saturday in Yosemite, and today was our range day. My mom had the idea of me taking them to the range, and they were all enthusiastic about going. Especially R, his 17 yr old son, who apparently had his eyes pop open as wide as dinner plates when he heard that he was going to get a chance to shoot some guns.

The bad: The range personnel were uncharacteristically sucky for this range, one guy at the counter had a serious vocabulary problem where every third word was "fuck" and the one chick working as a range officer had an attitude problem (to be fair, she could have just been having a bad day). But we weren't going to let that stop us having fun, and it didn't.

Did the usual range safety brief, and explained a bit about how the cartridges and guns work. Everyone stayed interested and I did a great job of restraining my inner urge to ramble on and on and on and on, boring everyone.

Everyone got to shoot the 10/22, Horde-approved evil AR15, MkII target pistol, and the CZ P01.

*to be continued*

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 19, 2022 10:11 PM (KYKwc)

474 There is no ONT. Can I just sit here on the steps?

Posted by: fd at June 19, 2022 10:11 PM (vrz2I)

475 Interesting...according to the US EIA, the average price of gas in April 2020 was $1.77 (nationally), so $0.95 in certain locations would seem possible. I remember (vaguely) paying ~$2/gal here in TX.

Posted by: FriscoYoda at June 19, 2022 10:12 PM (S7une)

476 No ONT? I'm a scared.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at June 19, 2022 10:14 PM (m0zqP)

477 Ill Tempered Cur, ain't it a hoot when you get to show someone from afar, without the benefit of our gun culture, that shootin' is just plain fun!

Posted by: RI Red at June 19, 2022 10:14 PM (3Hz5j)

478 I will let you know if I am ready to get rid of it.
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Thank you; and goodnight.

And thanks for the other info tonight too. [And Frank too.]

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at June 19, 2022 10:15 PM (yikp0)

479 There is no ONT. Can I just sit here on the steps?
Posted by: fd
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[saunters along, twirling nightstick]

Okay, you...let's move it along...

Posted by: What beat cops used to do at June 19, 2022 10:16 PM (TIW4Q)

480 479 There is no ONT. Can I just sit here on the steps?
Posted by: fd
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[saunters along, twirling nightstick]

Okay, you...let's move it along...
Posted by: What beat cops used to do at June 19, 2022 10:16 PM (TIW4Q)
Does your mama know where you are?

Posted by: Eromero at June 19, 2022 10:18 PM (0OP+5)

481 443 sal

Did you ask him 'So, are you an animal?"
Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at June 19, 2022 09:50 PM (u82oZ)

Um, no- this was a long time ago and there were no guys allowed in the dorms.
She was from Cincinnati and still getting used to TX.

Posted by: sal at June 19, 2022 10:18 PM (y40tE)

482
New Shooter Report with Cur, Part II

R and his dad B also shot the 1911, B was the only taker on shooting the Finn M39.

A fun, safe day was had by all. Mom D was probably the most enthusiastically giddy, but we all had loads of fun.

Also, my mom was along with us as well, although she didn't want to shoot. She's come out to the range with me before to watch me teach new folks, and she still enjoys the day.

Capped the day off with a trip to In-N-Out Burger (their first). They took off to go shopping while I ran the irons back to secure them in the safe. Best day I've had in awhile.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 19, 2022 10:19 PM (KYKwc)

483 ITC, nice.

Posted by: RI Red at June 19, 2022 10:21 PM (3Hz5j)

484 Posted by: Zombie Bill Monroe at June 19, 2022 09:52 PM (nfrXX)
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Howdy and welcome, Zombie Bill!!

F*ckin' A!! I am the king of the sock fail. That one was from the food thread for a lame mandolin/mandoline joke!

Posted by: Oddbob at June 19, 2022 10:22 PM (nfrXX)

485
Posted by: RI Red at June 19, 2022 10:14 PM (3Hz5j)

Yep, it's some of the best fun you can have with your boomsticks. I've actually had ARGUMENTS with new shooters because on their first range day I only shoot a few rounds to show them how the guns react. "Why don't you shoot more? Aren't you having fun?"

Takes awhile of telling them "Hell yes I'm having fun. It's a blast to watch YOU have fun. I don't NEED to shoot more to have fun today with you here."

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 19, 2022 10:23 PM (KYKwc)

486 I really gotta see what it's going to take to bribe Pixy to give us a "Post with sock" button that doesn't set the nic cookie.

Posted by: Oddbob at June 19, 2022 10:23 PM (nfrXX)

487 Same experience, ITC. I love the sh*t-eating grins when a new shooter realizes that they can master what they've been told is a monster.
I tell them I have multiples of thousands of rounds fired and that I enjoy their first ones even more.

Posted by: RI Red at June 19, 2022 10:27 PM (3Hz5j)

488 One of the situations where the pilots are flying daddy's plane. At some point they will go away.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 19, 2022 09:20 PM (llXky)

Yeah, because that's what happened to the B52 and KC135....

Posted by: GWB at June 19, 2022 10:32 PM (+Lvag)

489 GWB, and the C47 and the C130 . . .

Posted by: RI Red at June 19, 2022 10:35 PM (3Hz5j)

490 380: amateurs talk tactics; professionals talk logistics.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 20, 2022 01:10 AM (CdZ4i)

491 The Me and Dad gun thread should be a recurring theme. My dad bequeathed to me the Winchester rifle his mom had when he was born in Colorado in 1914. One day as she was hanging laundry with my infant father in his crib, a mountain lion came to visit, cruisin' for food. Grandma picked up her rifle and shot the lion dead saving my dad's life. The grandson has been the heir to this bit of history. BTW it still shoots straight and true. She also packed a .32 pistol. A real Frontier Woman...

Posted by: Ray at June 20, 2022 10:54 AM (sw3xv)

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