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The Morning Rant: Great News! Fewer High School Grads Proceeding to College as Enrollment Continues to Decline

Here’s some news to gladden the hearts of those fed up with all the awfulness that surrounds higher education these days. Over the 2+ years since the start of the Covid panic, from spring 2020 to spring 2022, college enrollment has dropped almost 10%.

Despite my revulsion about the unscientific Covid protocols, it was my hope that the universities’ enthusiastic embrace of Covid sharia would repel future students. It seems to be happening. We can hope that the prestige and importance of universities will be another casualty of Covid.

The College Enrollment Decline Worsened This Spring [Forbes – 5/26/2022]

Undergraduate enrollment decreased by more than 662,000 students - or 4.7% - from spring 2021, bringing its total two-year decline, roughly corresponding to the period of the Covid-19 pandemic, to 1.4 million students, a decrease of 9.4%. The decline was even steeper than the 3.1% decrease in undergraduate numbers seen last fall.

Starve the beast.

Declining enrollment means declining revenue for the university cartel. It means that the Marxists in charge of our colleges will have to decide which radical administrators to let go due to budget cuts. It means that fewer teenagers will be subject to anti-western-civilization indoctrination. It means the shackles of student debt will not be tied to those who abstain from college.

It all means that those who prosper from the university industrial complex are facing hard times. Where I live, in Tennessee, the higher education establishment is getting scared.

Administrators sound an alarm: Half of Tennessee high school graduates aren't going to college [Knox News – 5/23/2022]

Nearly half of Tennessee's high school seniors aren't going to college or technical school right after they graduate — the lowest rate in the past 10 years.

…only 52.8% of high school graduates from the class of 2021 enrolled in a college or technical college after they graduated.

That rate is down 4 percentage points from the year before and down 11 percentage points from 2017, according to the report from the Tennessee Higher Education Commission.

So just a few years ago 64 out of 100 high school graduates were going straight into further schooling (aka “post-secondary education” but now only 53 out of 100 are. From the colleges’ perspective, that is actually a 17% reduction! (11 divided by 64 = 17%.) Nice.

As of 2019 — the latest data available — nearly 47% of working adults in Tennessee have a college degree or technical certification.

This state is absolutely humming economically, with less than half of its citizens possessing degrees or technical certifications. (And a great many of those degrees provided no job skills.) By trying to push a huge majority of high school grads into post-secondary education, it seems like “Higher Education, Inc.” is counting on some tuition revenue from those who they know will ultimately drop out.

Is there anything more cruel than pushing someone into higher education and saddling him with a mountain of debt, after which he ends up with debt but without a degree.

Aside from the whole debate about attending college or not, why are we obsessed with the notion that college (or technical school) must start at age 18? Unless the purpose of going to school is “the college experience” (which is really just an expensive party for 18-22 year-olds), the late teens are probably the worst age for higher education.

My two closest friends from my freshman year at college failed out before the middle of their sophomore years. They then got real-life experience by working in restaurants and retail, before returning to college in their early 20s, by which time they now had the discipline to attend class every day. They went on to graduate and have successful careers. In addition, those couple years of restaurant and retail work provided them other valuable lessons in business and life.

The same applies for those who seek careers in the trades, which, by the way, pay better than most degrees in the social sciences.

An 18 year-old just out of high school would do himself a favor by working several different jobs at that stage of his life before fully committing to one trade, technical career, or college major. On the job, he is likely to find out that he thrives at certain skills. If, after a couple of years, he finds himself being drawn in a certain direction, it would be better to attend technical school or college at that time.

Even without technical training, those with a work ethic and common sense are likely to thrive. Leadership and talent will sort themselves out and produce foremen, entrepreneurs, and even executives. I am close to one person who went to work in a hotel kitchen upon high school graduation. From that position he rose to become an executive in a chain of country clubs. Another person I know started doing construction as a teenager and is now a millionaire real estate developer. Neither attended a day of college.

Yes, many careers require the education that is received in college – STEM obviously, and also things such as architecture, accounting, etc. But even then, way too much of the traditional 4-year business degree is electives and “the college experience.” There has got to be a better and cheaper way, but that’s an essay for another day.

For now, let’s celebrate that more and more high school graduates are demonstrating their intelligence by not proceeding straight to post-secondary education.

(buck.throckmorton at protonmail dot com)

Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at 11:00 AM




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1 Be a plumber. Make more money.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi at June 06, 2022 11:00 AM (LvTSG)

2 Undergraduate enrollment decreased by more than 662,000 students - or 4.7% - from spring 2021, bringing its total two-year decline, roughly corresponding to the period of the Covid-19 pandemic, to 1.4 million students, a decrease of 9.4%. The decline was even steeper than the 3.1% decrease in undergraduate numbers seen last fall.

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Seems like a perfect opportunity for a stronger state-level GOP to strike hard and fast at the universities within its borders.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi at June 06, 2022 11:01 AM (LvTSG)

3 the little peeps are learning about how to make beaucoup bux via e-commerce

Posted by: kallisto at June 06, 2022 11:01 AM (DJFLF)

4 Top 10!

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 06, 2022 11:02 AM (F0YaR)

5 Great News!

This isn't about the Dacia Sandero at all.

Posted by: spindrift at June 06, 2022 11:02 AM (h5TKJ)

6 Stop funding Marxists Seminaries

Posted by: Skip's phone at June 06, 2022 11:03 AM (yJe3+)

7 Sounds like the youngsters were paying attention to things better than we thought.

And yes; starve the beasts until they finally start offering a worthwhile product.

Posted by: NR Pax at June 06, 2022 11:04 AM (4olE8)

8 Elitist universities will become more elitist as people lower on the elitist scale are culled out.

Posted by: davidt at June 06, 2022 11:05 AM (vkJL/)

9 I made this point to a co-worker the other day:

As a 37-year old with fantastic credit, a near $100K salary, and a steady employment history, I was put through the ringer to buy a house for $300K that appraised a bit more than that.

As an 18-year old with no credit, no salary, and no employment history, I was handed a federal loan as a seeming rite of passage.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at June 06, 2022 11:05 AM (KbCG3)

10 And yes; starve the beasts until they finally start offering a worthwhile product.

Evergreen State, notorious for cancelling Bret Weinstein and his wife because they refused to be "Othered" due to their race...gets a big fat "F" from an independent college rating board.

The schools are graded on their degree's value in the marketplace.

Posted by: kallisto at June 06, 2022 11:05 AM (DJFLF)

11 I agree with you. But what 17 or 18 year old wants to go sweat like a pig in the trades when the alternative is 4+ years of partying and smoking dope and trying to get laid and not having to pay for any of it until years down the road?

Posted by: Elric Blade at June 06, 2022 11:06 AM (iFTx/)

12 Here's a kicker for you Buck, in Tennessee we offer two years of free community college, applied technology training, and even tuition at some 4 year universities with the Tennessee Promise scholarship program.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at June 06, 2022 11:06 AM (66TLh)

13 As much as I loved college, and I loved college a lot, it's a waste for most people. Only a few careers really, really need a college education. Not worth going into debt for.

The system needs to collapse and go back to being a source for technical training with some light frippery on the side.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at June 06, 2022 11:07 AM (V6f9+)

14 I'd like to see data on what those who choose not to go immediately (or at all) do after HS. My concern is that many of them will simply spend the time playing video games in their parent's basement instead of developing real skills. I suspect that easy pandemic money has given lots of people the idea that work is optional.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 06, 2022 11:07 AM (ZsR3z)

15 1 Be a plumber. Make more money.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi at June 06, 2022 11:00 AM (LvTSG)

Major in Plumbing Studies, and tell Home Depot all about how male and female fittings are "problematic"....

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 06, 2022 11:08 AM (/EuRN)

16 How is the Gender Studies enrollment doing?

Posted by: torabora at June 06, 2022 11:08 AM (Y274z)

17 Not to worry, Biden is importing enough illegals so that the Public School Teachers Unions will not have to downsize. This is what is really important to the Dem Machine. Live It, Love It, she's just a trollop.

Posted by: Puddinhead at June 06, 2022 11:08 AM (HTCOy)

18 Unless you were majoring in a STEM subject, why on earth would a straight white male go to college?

You'd spend four years having it explained how awful and vile you were, and any female that you're ever alone with can ruin your life with an allegation of sexual assault, if she so chooses.

All this while spending tens of thousands of dollars. Such a deal.

Even majoring in STEM wouldn't be fun, given the mandatory "studies" courses, but you can keep your head down, limit your socializing to off-campus, and make a lot of money when you are finished.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 06, 2022 11:08 AM (I2/tG)

19 Seems like a perfect opportunity for a stronger state-level GOP to strike hard and fast at the universities within its borders.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi
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Best time to kick college administrators is when they are down. Closer to your foot.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at June 06, 2022 11:09 AM (WKPeU)

20 more and faster please....

Posted by: SturmToddler (po3vF) at June 06, 2022 11:09 AM (p03vF)

21 ...Over the 2+ years since the start of the Covid panic, from spring 2020 to spring 2022, college enrollment has dropped almost 10%.

One positive outcome of this drop is some employers are dumping their college degree requirements.

Credentialism is not dead, but the corpse isn't fighting hard any more.

I think in certain STEM fields you do need the whole enchilada (though wokeness is making inroads there as well); I'd kinda like my physician to be able to label body parts, and my programmer to know when an infinite loop is happening.

But maybe that's just me.

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 06, 2022 11:09 AM (F0YaR)

22 Its not just college enrollment that declined - graduation declined as well.

My granddaughter just graduated and when I commented on the huge group of kids she told me it was originally a class of 600 but during covid many kids stopped doing the work so did not the grades and another large section just plain dropped out. Came out to almost half did not finish.

I cannot imagine the national total.

Posted by: SnailRacer at June 06, 2022 11:10 AM (G/xIj)

23 Good rant, Buck.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at June 06, 2022 11:10 AM (nByzo)

24 It means that the Marxists in charge of our colleges will have to decide which radical administrators to let go due to budget cuts. It means that fewer teenagers will be subject to anti-western-civilization indoctrination.

I think those people will be last fired. The ones to be let go will the competent, non-ideological ones. The ideologues look after their own.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at June 06, 2022 11:11 AM (+YsAH)

25 When I went to college for engineering, the moon landings were over and job prospects were bleek.

When I graduated, there was this new thing .. the microprocessor and jobs were easy to find.

Posted by: SMOD at June 06, 2022 11:11 AM (RHGPo)

26
College Boy is still a slur

Posted by: Yo! Ultra MAGA at June 06, 2022 11:12 AM (+ahd0)

27 Breaking news! It's the Republicans fault that San Francisco is a shit hole!

Justin Miller
@justinjm1
San Francisco, governed by Republicans for most of the 20th century, doesn't rest on a New Deal foundation and increasingly lacks a working-class population to bolster progressive candidates

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, That's AnonosaurX WrX, hater! at June 06, 2022 11:12 AM (FVME7)

28 Why can't they just confer a Gender Studies degree on the trannies and save them a bunch of time and money so they can enter the workforce armed with knowledge of Gender.

Posted by: torabora at June 06, 2022 11:12 AM (Y274z)

29 I work in the college-industrial complex in the belly of that beast. Our Chancellor wants to increase overall enrollment by at least 50% over the next few years. It ain't gonna happen. In the meantime, he gets to claim credit for several multi-million dollar capital campaign projects that will NOT actually increase enrollment, but will make the campus "look good." This one reason why I'm seeking employment at a different campus in our university system...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at June 06, 2022 11:12 AM (YIVH2)

30 27 Breaking news! It's the Republicans fault that San Francisco is a shit hole!

Justin Miller
@justinjm1
San Francisco, governed by Republicans for most of the 20th century, doesn't rest on a New Deal foundation and increasingly lacks a working-class population to bolster progressive candidates
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, That's AnonosaurX WrX, hater! at June 06, 2022 11:12 AM (FVME7)

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Wait until we tell them how the South's biggest cities have been run by Democrats for most of the 20th century and all of the 21st.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi at June 06, 2022 11:13 AM (LvTSG)

31 As I was finishing high school, I really was not looking forward to college that much. I was due to attend the big commuter university a few miles from my home. As it turned out, I hated it: a 45-minute bus ride each way, terribly impersonal and overcrowded (and this was 50 years ago!). The girls were good-looking; that was about its only saving grace. It was just like high school, only less fun.

On the other hand, if I'd stayed out for a year, I have no idea what kind of job I could have landed.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at June 06, 2022 11:13 AM (txdEq)

32 28 Why can't they just confer a Gender Studies degree on the trannies and save them a bunch of time and money so they can enter the workforce armed with knowledge of Gender.
Posted by: torabora at June 06, 2022 11:12 AM (Y274z)

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"Fuck you, pay me."
-Goodfellas Universities

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi at June 06, 2022 11:13 AM (LvTSG)

33 14 I'd like to see data on what those who choose not to go immediately (or at all) do after HS. My concern is that many of them will simply spend the time playing video games in their parent's basement instead of developing real skills. I suspect that easy pandemic money has given lots of people the idea that work is optional.


so a bunch of 2021 and 2022 HS grads I know chose to "gap year" b/c admissions was SO BRUTAL for white girls and boys at prestigious schools. (here's hoping it eases for 2023 b/c my kid will be applying)

anyway yeah they ... so I have tried to put a couple in paid internships with people I'm connected to - pulled strings for them - these are good jobs in air conditioned offices in their supposed fields (obvs they don't know yet but these were great internships).

none of them even bothered to apply. am still trying to help their parents but yeah, they are too good for any normal job and apparently too good for my connections' internships too. which annoys me b/c I wasted some of my good will there to no avail. it's crazy.

Posted by: Black Orchid at June 06, 2022 11:13 AM (w0NJk)

34 Major in Plumbing Studies, and tell Home Depot all about how male and female fittings are "problematic"....
Posted by: Warai-otoko

Pipe is pipe.

It is known.

Posted by: Tonypete at June 06, 2022 11:13 AM (Msys3)

35 "If the airplanes are silver, they're American.
If they are tan, they're British...
and if they're invisible, they are ours!"
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It killed me how the German actor portraying the one of a pair of Luftwaffe pilots [Colonel Priller] in the Longest Day looked like Richard Basehart. I had to look it up online to check when I watched the film with my nephew to be sure.
https://tinyurl.com/s9y2mynh

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at June 06, 2022 11:14 AM (yikp0)

36 No one needs college to learn to code.

Posted by: torabora at June 06, 2022 11:14 AM (Y274z)

37 29 I work in the college-industrial complex in the belly of that beast. Our Chancellor wants to increase overall enrollment by at least 50% over the next few years. It ain't gonna happen. In the meantime, he gets to claim credit for several multi-million dollar capital campaign projects that will NOT actually increase enrollment, but will make the campus "look good." This one reason why I'm seeking employment at a different campus in our university system...
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at June 06, 2022 11:12 AM (YIVH2)

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He's gonna get just the best golden parachute.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi at June 06, 2022 11:14 AM (LvTSG)

38 Solyndra II: No Electricity Bugaloo!

Jeff Mason
@jeffmason1
SCOOP: @POTUS will use executive action Monday to kickstart solar projects in the U.S. that are stalled by a Commerce Dept tariff probe, and he will invoke the Defense Production Act to spur domestic production of solar panels and other clean energy projects, sources tell me

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, That's AnonosaurX WrX, hater! at June 06, 2022 11:14 AM (FVME7)

39 You're already seeing this in the claims that "student loans are a feminist issue".

Curiously, it seems that you need to be a female from a reasonably affluent family to run up a $300,000 debt acquiring a useless undergraduate degree and a useless graduate degree.

Nobody else is that stupid.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 06, 2022 11:14 AM (I2/tG)

40 Despite my revulsion about the unscientific Covid protocols, it was my hope that the universities’ enthusiastic embrace of Covid sharia would repel future students. It seems to be happening. We can hope that the prestige and importance of universities will be another casualty of Covid.
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It would be better if it was the hard-left totalitarian insanity that was driving it, but I'll take what I can get.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 06, 2022 11:15 AM (0zQHa)

41 That 660,000 fewer students represent such a small fraction of the whole is a BIG part of the problem. Here's hoping it accelerates into an actual correction.

Posted by: SloPitch Whiffer at June 06, 2022 11:15 AM (+R5dc)

42 On the other hand, if I'd stayed out for a year, I have no idea what kind of job I could have landed.


my son is still focused on going where there's skiing so we suggested he take a gap year working at a ski resort maybe? I know of a few kids who did that or similar things and they went into college much more in a serious mindset.

plus maybe he'd get over the "must be near skiing" thing b/c it's kind of dumb

Posted by: Black Orchid at June 06, 2022 11:15 AM (w0NJk)

43 If you go to college, use the community colleges as much as possible. Our youngest daughter home-schooled her last couple years of high school and took a lot of dual-credit high school/college classes. They were practically free and it gave her a big head start. She also experienced Leftist profs and would come home and ask how to navigate those situations.

And my state school accounting degree has served me well. I scored better on the CPA exam than 99.9% of Ivy leaguers. Turns out that we could buy the same textbooks as those paying multiples for their "education" (read: indoctrination).

Posted by: Eternity Matters at June 06, 2022 11:15 AM (MTm8X)

44 Breaking news! It's the Republicans fault that San Francisco is a shit hole!

Yep.

I was watching an interview of the author of the book:

"San Fransicko" - whose subtitle actually is "how progressives ruin cities - and after he went on his spiel of how the progs wrecked the city, he concluded that it was the fault of "conservatives and moderates" that it doesn't get fixed!

Posted by: kallisto at June 06, 2022 11:15 AM (DJFLF)

45 At the University where I don't teach anymore, I saw a memo where they expect this decline to continue with another 7-15% decline. They are into their second round of RIFs.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 06, 2022 11:15 AM (anj39)

46 Lena Dunham knows how to lay pipe at least. And she is not a plumber.

Posted by: torabora at June 06, 2022 11:16 AM (Y274z)

47 Expecting the Left to react to this with common sense and logic...is an expectation without a promising payoff.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at June 06, 2022 11:16 AM (+YsAH)

48 Just thought
Since they were preached to that the world is burning up since kindergarten why bother with education?

Posted by: Skip's phone at June 06, 2022 11:16 AM (yJe3+)

49 39 Curiously, it seems that you need to be a female from a reasonably affluent family to run up a $300,000 debt acquiring a useless undergraduate degree and a useless graduate degree.

Nobody else is that stupid.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 06, 2022 11:14 AM (I2/tG)

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"I got into the Electrical Engineering department because I got solid B's in high school and the department was desperate to have girls. I dropped out of the program after the first semester where I had a 1.3 GPA and went to my roommate's department of Gender Studies. I'm now a 3.8 GPA student, and my teachers all tell me I'm brilliant!"

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi at June 06, 2022 11:16 AM (LvTSG)

50 He's gonna get just the best golden parachute.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi at June 06, 2022 11:14 AM (LvTSG)
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Yeah, that's pretty much a given at this point. He's probably managed to raise around $500 million for various campus initiatives. That's A LOT of money for a relatively small campus like ours. But that doesn't translate into better-prepared or more-capable students upon graduation.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at June 06, 2022 11:16 AM (YIVH2)

51 44 "San Fransicko" - whose subtitle actually is "how progressives ruin cities - and after he went on his spiel of how the progs wrecked the city, he concluded that it was the fault of "conservatives and moderates" that it doesn't get fixed!
Posted by: kallisto at June 06, 2022 11:15 AM (DJFLF)

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This is the same as blaming the US for Venezuela's crumbling infrastructure.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi at June 06, 2022 11:17 AM (LvTSG)

52 Justin Miller
@justinjm1
San Francisco, governed by Republicans for most of the 20th century, doesn't rest on a New Deal foundation and increasingly lacks a working-class population to bolster progressive candidates


It's all George Christopher's fault!

(The last Republican mayor of San Francisco, in the 1960s.)

Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 06, 2022 11:17 AM (I2/tG)

53 Someone please tell me the numbers for Oberlin are even lower. Lie to me if you must.

Posted by: Ann Rutledge at June 06, 2022 11:17 AM (cTCuP)

54 De-sock.

Posted by: creeper at June 06, 2022 11:18 AM (cTCuP)

55 it's actually hard to get student loans now if you're a white student (or maybe Asian I don't know). the govt runs the student loans now and so if you make any money/have a stable home forget getting federal loans. it's means-tested (plus other preferred demos get more in loans).

the kids with massive loan amounts are probably "preferred minority class" or similar OR their families take out private loans but honestly I don't think many people do that

Posted by: Black Orchid at June 06, 2022 11:18 AM (w0NJk)

56 *facepalm*

Trump endorses "Outstanding" Kevin McCarthy for another team. (link goes to Breitbart)

https://is.gd/71AEMz

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, who may be watching too many Pitch Meetings at June 06, 2022 11:18 AM (PiwSw)

57 From before the 1st grade (preschool? fuggitaboutit) my dad wanted me to go to college. And I did, and made family history; in a STEM field no less.

But that achievement was in an environment when most HS graduates did not go on to college.

Nowadays, many HS graduates can't mentally calculate change from a dollar. Sigh.

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 06, 2022 11:18 AM (F0YaR)

58 term, but team works too.

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, who may be watching too many Pitch Meetings at June 06, 2022 11:19 AM (PiwSw)

59 this is great news for my kids who will have less competition for getting into top schools.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 06, 2022 11:19 AM (3vQN0)

60 I did some work on Covid loans; seeing their actual tax returns.

You have no idea how many people are making over $100k in jobs that don't require a college degree.

And I'm over here paying off student loans like a sucker from lies told repeatedly from 6th grade on ....

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at June 06, 2022 11:19 AM (Zf0+a)

61 42 On the other hand, if I'd stayed out for a year, I have no idea what kind of job I could have landed.


my son is still focused on going where there's skiing so we suggested he take a gap year working at a ski resort maybe? I know of a few kids who did that or similar things and they went into college much more in a serious mindset.

plus maybe he'd get over the "must be near skiing" thing b/c it's kind of dumb
Posted by: Black Orchid at June 06, 2022 11:15 AM (w0NJk)
__________________________

I'm an avid skier. There are ski resorts all across the country and each of them has colleges nearby. Finding a college near a ski resort is not hard to do. NY, VT, NH, ME, CA, CO, ID, WY, UT, NM, WA, OR, etc etc etc.

Posted by: Elric Blade at June 06, 2022 11:19 AM (iFTx/)

62 That's good news. Eventually higher education was going to price itself out of the reach of all but the wealthy. It's happening faster than I thought it would.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at June 06, 2022 11:19 AM (bVYXr)

63 Regarding college: My father, a survivor of the Depression, counseled me that I had "to get that degree. If you have that degree in your hand, you're set."

Maybe that would have been true in 1938 or whenever. Not knowing any better, I simply studied what my inclinations led me to, thinking, "Once you have that degree . . ."

If I'd studied computers back then in the punch-card days, I probably could have walked out of college and into a high-paying white-collar job. I can see myself back then, buying a well-kept used car, moving into a nice apartment, dating a number of girls. I might not have made the same mistakes I made with my 2 marriages. (Prob. a totally different set of mistakes, though.)

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at June 06, 2022 11:20 AM (txdEq)

64 50 He's gonna get just the best golden parachute.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi at June 06, 2022 11:14 AM (LvTSG)
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Yeah, that's pretty much a given at this point. He's probably managed to raise around $500 million for various campus initiatives. That's A LOT of money for a relatively small campus like ours. But that doesn't translate into better-prepared or more-capable students upon graduation.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at June 06, 2022 11:16 AM (YIVH2)

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That's, obviously, not the point. The point is the endowment.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi at June 06, 2022 11:20 AM (LvTSG)

65 An 18 year-old just out of high school would do himself a favor by working several different jobs at that stage of his life before fully committing to one trade, technical career, or college major. On the job, he is likely to find out that he thrives at certain skills. If, after a couple of years, he finds himself being drawn in a certain direction, it would be better to attend technical school or college at that time.
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You might find that you hate it or you might find that your college career counselors were a bunch of bald-faced liars about earning potential. This happened to me. I studied one area with my eye toward a career. I enjoyed it. Doing it for a living was fine.

Then I eventually got my first job in that field. That's when I learned two things. First, I did still like it. Second, there was no money in it. The earnings figures the counselors were using were in NY and LA, where that money means you're poor. In other areas, you're still poor.

So I threw on the brakes and switched, right away by jumping into another area where I was skilled (albeit not credentialed) and started working elsewhere.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 06, 2022 11:20 AM (0zQHa)

66 I'd like to see data on what those who choose not to go immediately (or at all) do after HS. My concern is that many of them will simply spend the time playing video games in their parent's basement instead of developing real skills. I suspect that easy pandemic money has given lots of people the idea that work is optional.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 06, 2022 11:07 AM (ZsR3z)


I was thinking the same.

Posted by: Jordan61 at June 06, 2022 11:20 AM (DRSnL)

67 59 this is great news for my kids who will have less competition for getting into top schools.


nope

the top schools are insanely competitive AND you get to compete with top foreign candidates who cheat on their grades and test scores and fake awards and extra-curriculars. and who count as "diversity" even if they're white kids so yeah.

the mid-range and not-famous schools are getting hit hard. AND the LACs b/c every kid wants a STEM degree now (or their parents are demanding it).

your kids have a shot at a T20 if they apply as a history major I guess. and are full pay.

Posted by: Black Orchid at June 06, 2022 11:21 AM (w0NJk)

68 Rule #1 Nothing ever is the fault of Leftists

Posted by: Skip's phone at June 06, 2022 11:21 AM (yJe3+)

69 Community colleges are free tuition now in California. They hit a high of 26$ unit.

Now before you morons flip out at that....they USED to be free when they were set up. In early 1970's they were 'free'.
That means taxpayer pays of course

Upside. A student in college is less likely to find time to run with gangs or be high 100% of their day. It saves quite a few from ruin.

But colleges need run FAR more efficiently. They have no incentive to produce graduates. My JC had a 5 year no degree rate of 70% for a two year program.

Taxpayers don't get what they are promised.

Posted by: torabora at June 06, 2022 11:21 AM (Y274z)

70 Lie to me if you must.

Posted by: Ann Rutledge at June 06, 2022 11:17 AM (cTCuP)

Hey!

After we stand next to Biden as he signs the new gub control legislation into law, we're going to start fighting so hard for you!

A big beautiful red wave!

Posted by: Gope Leadership at June 06, 2022 11:21 AM (QEWH+)

71 That's, obviously, not the point. The point is the endowment.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi at June 06, 2022 11:20 AM (LvTSG)
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There's no question the money can do a lot of good for the research aspects of my institution (STEM school). It *may* help the teaching side, but that's not certain right now.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at June 06, 2022 11:21 AM (YIVH2)

72 Taking a year or two before college is a good move for many kids. When I was in Army ROTC, we had a few students drop out. but I never saw a prior service guy drop out. Ever. They'd been to Vietnam, got the GI Bill and were dead serious about graduating.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 06, 2022 11:21 AM (anj39)

73 62 That's good news. Eventually higher education was going to price itself out of the reach of all but the wealthy. It's happening faster than I thought it would.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at June 06, 2022 11:19 AM (bVYXr)
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It'll be like the old (and still kind of existing) Chinese model where only affluent and connected families could afford to pay for schooling and exams that were necessary to join the civil bureaucracy.

Posted by: Elric Blade at June 06, 2022 11:21 AM (iFTx/)

74 My son is graduating from the Merchant Marine Academy week after next with an engineering degree. He had 10-12 offers and will be starting with a salary of 120K.

My niece graduated from Apalachian State with a degree in sociology. She works as a hostess in a local restaurant.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 06, 2022 11:22 AM (Qy7kP)

75 and went to my roommate's department of Gender Studies. I'm now a 3.8 GPA student, and my teachers all tell me I'm brilliant!"

A friend's kid spent five years at a college paying $50,000 a year in tuition to get a degree in theater. She now has a low-level job in the theater department at the school.

Someone really needed to sit her down and explain that certain majors are only for people with $10 million trust funds (art history is another one).

Oh, and she now uses they/them pronouns.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 06, 2022 11:22 AM (I2/tG)

76 1 Be a plumber. Make more money.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi at June 06, 2022 11:00 AM (LvTSG)

This is a myth man. Over a 30-40 year career a plumber does not make more money than someone with a degree, on average.

I know someone will chime in with an a brother in law who makes $300k as a plumber. Those are outliers. The median salary for a plumber is $57k. The median STARTING salary for a college grad is $55k..

Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 06, 2022 11:22 AM (3vQN0)

77 What's the sex breakdown with that lower enrollment? I strongly suspect that it's mostly men. This will certainly be true at the trade schools and I'd bet men are also the majority within the decline for traditional college or university.

This will push even more declines in the traditional schools. Most women don't want to go to a girls' school, and that's what they're increasingly becoming. It will feed itself. I hope.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 06, 2022 11:22 AM (0zQHa)

78 Is there anything more cruel than pushing someone into higher education and saddling him with a mountain of debt, after which he ends up with debt but without a degree.

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Or a degree Transgender Self-Mutilation Studies.

"Would you like fries with that?"

Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, we got fun & games & Starveflation aims at June 06, 2022 11:22 AM (iVmfy)

79 Many people go to college in order to wear a collar that is white. The search for an easier, higher status, more lucrative life. Their information might be outdated in some instances.

Posted by: kraken at June 06, 2022 11:23 AM (Vr12I)

80 There's a billboard that's been up for years in the city next door, and I saw it again this weekend.

It's a guy in a hard hat with the text, "Avoid Student Debt. Learn a Trade."

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 06, 2022 11:23 AM (0zQHa)

81 >>>63 Regarding college: My father, a survivor of the Depression, counseled me that I had "to get that degree. If you have that degree in your hand, you're set."

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College used to be the recipe for a successful career. Not anymore. My brother's kid did carpentry his Jr. & Sr. years in high school voc-tec and graduates this year. He'll have the world eating out of his hand.

My daughter is in college for early childhood education. I really wish she'd minor in something more practical.

Anymore, it is the rare youngster I would recommend enter college right out of high school.

Posted by: 496 at June 06, 2022 11:23 AM (VJsqe)

82 I think in certain STEM fields you do need the whole enchilada (though wokeness is making inroads there as well); I'd kinda like my physician to be able to label body parts, and my programmer to know when an infinite loop is happening.
Posted by: GnuBreed at June 06, 2022 11:09 AM (F0YaR)


Freaking college graduates will argue with me that it's possible to test a fix for intermittency. They cannot accept that the best they can do is verify that they've changed it's frequency.

Idiots.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic, member - Ashli Babbitt Society at June 06, 2022 11:23 AM (zhLdt)

83 77 What's the sex breakdown with that lower enrollment? I strongly suspect that it's mostly men. This will certainly be true at the trade schools and I'd bet men are also the majority within the decline for traditional college or university.

This will push even more declines in the traditional schools. Most women don't want to go to a girls' school, and that's what they're increasingly becoming. It will feed itself. I hope.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 06, 2022 11:22 AM (0zQHa)

Males predominate. College enrollments are, overall, 60-40, female to male.

Posted by: kraken at June 06, 2022 11:24 AM (Vr12I)

84 I'd like to see #'s on the student loans that didn't result in a degree/certificate. Couldn't you spend loan money on anything you wanted?

Posted by: BignJames at June 06, 2022 11:24 AM (AwYPR)

85 I'm an avid skier. There are ski resorts all across the country and each of them has colleges nearby. Finding a college near a ski resort is not hard to do. NY, VT, NH, ME, CA, CO, ID, WY, UT, NM, WA, OR, etc etc etc.


thanks Elric we've been to a bunch! I like Utah but again, the schools near good skiing (and it has to be good! he's picky. no PA, for example) tend to be SUPER LIBERAL in SUPER LIBERAL states and we are very averse after what happened with COVID.

I'd like him to go to school in a sane state so he can be in person and not wear a damn mask all the damn time.

Posted by: Black Orchid at June 06, 2022 11:24 AM (w0NJk)

86 Seems like a perfect opportunity for a stronger state-level GOP to strike hard and fast at the universities within its borders.
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There is a direct connection between the decline of innovation and invention in this country and the increase in university science grants.

Talent, energy and resources are being suffocated by the university system--because that's how they make money. We're paying them to kill creativity.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at June 06, 2022 11:24 AM (Zf0+a)

87 This will push even more declines in the traditional schools. Most women don't want to go to a girls' school, and that's what they're increasingly becoming. It will feed itself. I hope.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 06, 2022 11:22 AM (0zQHa)

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It'll work itself out when half of the girls transition to male.

Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, we got fun & games & Starveflation aims at June 06, 2022 11:24 AM (iVmfy)

88 The administrators will be the last to be let go.

Posted by: aelfheld at June 06, 2022 11:24 AM (Zy9Yy)

89 I think with all this interest in identifying women, a Biology major would be popular, at least for consulting work with the Supreme Court.

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, who may be watching too many Pitch Meetings at June 06, 2022 11:24 AM (PiwSw)

90 79 Many people go to college in order to wear a collar that is white. The search for an easier, higher status, more lucrative life. Their information might be outdated in some instances.
Posted by: kraken at June 06, 2022 11:23 AM (Vr12I)


Well, of course. They've been told from infancy, "You don't want to get your hands dirty, do you?"

Posted by: creeper at June 06, 2022 11:25 AM (cTCuP)

91 ... Someone really needed to sit her down and explain that certain majors are only for people with $10 million trust funds (art history is another one). ...
Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 06, 2022 11:22 AM (I2/tG)
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Insofar as education and training are the same, absolutely. Education in its own right isn't a bad thing, but it won't help you earn much. If you're pursuing actual, honest-to-goodness education as opposed to training, then the motivations and goals - and the money available for it - are quite different.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 06, 2022 11:25 AM (0zQHa)

92 I'm an avid skier. There are ski resorts all across the country and each of them has colleges nearby. Finding a college near a ski resort is not hard to do. NY, VT, NH, ME, CA, CO, ID, WY, UT, NM, WA, OR, etc etc etc.
Posted by: Elric Blade at June 06, 2022 11:

If it ain’t Rockies it ain’t skiing. Fight me.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 06, 2022 11:25 AM (3vQN0)

93 boys are definitely a lot less interested in college nowadays it's happened really fast. my son's friends are just completely not enthused and annoyed by the process too.

IOW they're smart.

and yeah they don't want to go to schools that are 70/30 female to male which is a BUNCH of them

Posted by: Black Orchid at June 06, 2022 11:25 AM (w0NJk)

94 Many people go to college in order to wear a collar that is white. The search for an easier, higher status, more lucrative life. Their information might be outdated in some instances.

Posted by: kraken at June 06, 2022 11:23 AM (Vr12I)

It's a simple exercise to look up employment outlook and earning potential of any job prospect, then to weigh that earning potential against costs.

That students don't leave HS having done this at least once is an indictment of the HSs themselves in the whole "woe is me, tuition is too damn high" hullabaloo.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at June 06, 2022 11:26 AM (nByzo)

95 If I'd studied computers back then in the punch-card days, I probably could have walked out of college and into a high-paying white-collar job.

My standard advice in the 1970s was do what you want in college, but make sure that you learn to program a computer while you're there.

I knew a fair number of philosophy majors who had lucrative careers as programmers.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 06, 2022 11:26 AM (I2/tG)

96 88 The administrators will be the last to be let go.
Posted by: aelfheld at June 06, 2022 11:24 AM (Zy9Yy


This, unfortunately. And the DIE departments are pretty well protected, too.

Posted by: Emmie at June 06, 2022 11:26 AM (6RgRK)

97 77 What's the sex breakdown with that lower enrollment? I strongly suspect that it's mostly men. This will certainly be true at the trade schools and I'd bet men are also the majority within the decline for traditional college or university.

This will push even more declines in the traditional schools. Most women don't want to go to a girls' school, and that's what they're increasingly becoming. It will feed itself. I hope.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 06, 2022 11:22 AM (0zQHa)
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I believe it's been trending for a while that females are outpacing males in college enrollments. I also agree that the majority if the plunge in recent enrollments is men. But I question your last point about girls not wanting to go to an all-girls school. I'll bet many girls do, or at the very least wouldn't mind it.

Posted by: Elric Blade at June 06, 2022 11:26 AM (iFTx/)

98 If it ain’t Rockies it ain’t skiing. Fight me.


can't fight you on this since we took him out to CO that's his thinking too. altho VT has been good they had crazy late snow this year! just wrapped up the ski season! it was bumpy tho

Posted by: Black Orchid at June 06, 2022 11:26 AM (w0NJk)

99 You have trade schools of course, like medical school, that take a while, and are expensive.

Posted by: kraken at June 06, 2022 11:27 AM (Vr12I)

100 I'd like to see #'s on the student loans that didn't result in a degree/certificate. Couldn't you spend loan money on anything you wanted?
Posted by: BignJames at June 06, 2022 11:24 AM (AwYPR)
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Depends on the loan and how it is structured, but even if you get student loans and use them appropriately, you can still fail or otherwise wash out or burn out.

And I am sure the number exists, but I have never seen it. I'll bet it's yuge and luxurious.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 06, 2022 11:27 AM (0zQHa)

101 Back in the Dark Ages (aka my high school years), there were vocational programs in high school for kids who were not planning to attend college. These kids, male and female, graduated high school ready to start earning money their first day post graduation. But American schools moved away from that concept. All of a sudden, everyone had to go to college. And now, college degrees are required for jobs that high school dropouts can perform -- and those jobs pay exactly what a high school dropout would earn.

Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin -- I wasn't particularly fond of the '70s the first time around at June 06, 2022 11:27 AM (sjtZ7)

102 I'd like to see data on what those who choose not to go immediately (or at all) do after HS. My concern is that many of them will simply spend the time playing video games in their parent's basement instead of developing real skills. I suspect that easy pandemic money has given lots of people the idea that work is optional.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 06, 2022 11:07 AM (ZsR3z)

***

I was thinking the same.

Posted by: Jordan61 at June 06, 2022 11:20 AM (DRSnL)


Me too.

Posted by: HTL at June 06, 2022 11:27 AM (vkeXz)

103 Trump endorses "Outstanding" Kevin McCarthy for another team. (link goes to Breitbart)


Exxxxcellent.

Posted by: Ron DeSantis, '24 at June 06, 2022 11:27 AM (ZsR3z)

104 Musk: Twitter in material breach of merger agreement for refusing to disclose information related to spam and bot accounts.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at June 06, 2022 11:27 AM (nByzo)

105 My kids (like me) don’t know one end of a hammer from another. So be a plumber doesn’t quite work out for them. And as glamorous as it sounds I’m not sure they would want to spend 8 hours a day in other peoples toilets. And yes I know plumbing is more than that. But it also is that.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 06, 2022 11:27 AM (3vQN0)

106 If it ain’t Rockies it ain’t skiing. Fight me.
Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 06, 2022 11:25 AM (3vQN0)


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I grew up ski racing on VT ice. I can ski on damn near anything.

Best skiing I ever had, however, was at Alta (That's the Wasatch range, right? Not sure). I look forward to trying the Rockies.

Posted by: 496 at June 06, 2022 11:28 AM (VJsqe)

107 As bad as things are in academia, And as bad as things are in the military, I'm still pleased my boy chose the Marines and is learning to be a boat Mac and a diesel mac. He has 16 months of active duty left. And he will be able to get a well paying job when he's out.

Posted by: nurse ratched at June 06, 2022 11:28 AM (PIcCH)

108 I believe it's been trending for a while that females are outpacing males in college enrollments. I also agree that the majority if the plunge in recent enrollments is men. But I question your last point about girls not wanting to go to an all-girls school. I'll bet many girls do, or at the very least wouldn't mind it.
Posted by: Elric Blade at June 06, 2022 11:26 AM (iFTx/)
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Time will tell. I suspect the break point is probably around 60/40 or 70/30. Girls' schools essentially stopped existing some time ago, and there had to have been a reason for it.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 06, 2022 11:28 AM (0zQHa)

109 Welp, my Noni will be in the vet hospital for two days while they drain his bladder and remove whatever obstruction.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at June 06, 2022 11:29 AM (ic6SW)

110 someone smart (Musk?) needs to come up with a "trade school" or professional school that focuses on STEM with ZERO BULLSHIT

they would get all these boys who are not interested in taking mandatory diversity classes and dumb cores at normal universities

Posted by: Black Orchid at June 06, 2022 11:29 AM (w0NJk)

111 It'll work itself out when half of the girls transition to male.
Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, we got fun & games & Starveflation aims at June 06, 2022 11:24 AM (iVmfy)
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Heh. On paper, maybe. But in reality, trannies are undateable and so that will definitely not solve the problem.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 06, 2022 11:29 AM (0zQHa)

112 My kids (like me) don’t know one end of a hammer from another. So be a plumber doesn’t quite work out for them. And as glamorous as it sounds I’m not sure they would want to spend 8 hours a day in other peoples toilets. And yes I know plumbing is more than that. But it also is that.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 06, 2022 11:27 AM (3vQN0)

The world needs ditch diggers, too.

Posted by: Judge Smails at June 06, 2022 11:29 AM (nByzo)

113 And as glamorous as it sounds I’m not sure they would want to spend 8 hours a day in other peoples toilets. And yes I know plumbing is more than that. But it also is that.
Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 06, 2022 11:27 AM (3vQN0)

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The problem with plumbing is that 'watertight' is an impossible standard! I can only get things watertight about 85% of the time, and when you're dealing with plumbing that's not nearly good enough.

I'm getting better.

Posted by: 496 at June 06, 2022 11:29 AM (VJsqe)

114 108
Time will tell. I suspect the break point is probably around 60/40 or 70/30. Girls' schools essentially stopped existing some time ago, and there had to have been a reason for it.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 06, 2022 11:28 AM (0zQHa)

We are already at 60-40, and colleges are truly panicing.

Posted by: kraken at June 06, 2022 11:30 AM (Vr12I)

115 I got a lot of static from a couple supervisors during my 30+ years working for the fed about getting an advanced degree or some sort of certification in whatever my primary job responsibility was. Every time I'd ask if there was either a promotion or pay raise they'd laugh.

Why get (another) degree if there's no incentive?

Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 06, 2022 11:30 AM (BFigT)

116 I grew up skiing in New England. I now ski in the west and I like to joke that a shitty day here is better than a good day there. And it’s kind of true. The difference in snow quality is just night and day.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 06, 2022 11:30 AM (3vQN0)

117 My 20 year old daughter learned welding for ~ 5 months between 2021 and 2022. The total cost was about $16 thousand. She is now making 6 figures, with no college debt hanging over her head.

Posted by: Jim T at June 06, 2022 11:30 AM (wkIwJ)

118 Most women don't want to go to a girls' school, and that's what they're increasingly becoming.

A lot of colleges with "competitive" admissions now quietly have affirmative action for males. The belief is that if the sex ratio goes over 60/40 female/male, a lot of women will stop wanting to attend.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 06, 2022 11:30 AM (I2/tG)

119 I'd like to see data on what those who choose not to go immediately (or at all) do after HS. My concern is that many of them will simply spend the time playing video games in their parent's basement instead of developing real skills. I suspect that easy pandemic money has given lots of people the idea that work is optional.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 06, 2022 11:07 AM (ZsR3z)

Kid out three weeks, hasn't looked for a job, not sure about college. But that's just anecdotal.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at June 06, 2022 11:30 AM (7bRMQ)

120 109 Welp, my Noni will be in the vet hospital for two days while they drain his bladder and remove whatever obstruction.


aw SMH poor Noni!

thinking good thoughts for him!

I'm still struggling with my little guy's food allergies. getting pretty frustrated. my vet is frustrated too. maybe have to take him to a specialist or something.

Posted by: Black Orchid at June 06, 2022 11:30 AM (w0NJk)

121 113

The problem with plumbing is that 'watertight' is an impossible standard! I can only get things watertight about 85% of the time, and when you're dealing with plumbing that's not nearly good enough.

I'm getting better.
Posted by: 496 at June 06, 2022 11:29 AM (VJsqe)

More thread tape!!! more plumber's putty!!!

Posted by: kraken at June 06, 2022 11:31 AM (Vr12I)

122 What's the sex breakdown with that lower enrollment?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 06, 2022 11:22 AM (0zQHa)

College enrollments are, overall, 60-40, female to male.

Posted by: kraken at June 06, 2022 11:24 AM (Vr12I)

Sex breakdown looking pretty good.

Posted by: Judge Smails at June 06, 2022 11:31 AM (nByzo)

123 92 I'm an avid skier. There are ski resorts all across the country and each of them has colleges nearby. Finding a college near a ski resort is not hard to do. NY, VT, NH, ME, CA, CO, ID, WY, UT, NM, WA, OR, etc etc etc.
Posted by: Elric Blade at June 06, 2022 11:

If it ain’t Rockies it ain’t skiing. Fight me.
Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 06, 2022 11:25 AM (3vQN0)

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Well, the Rockies cover an awful lot of ground and probably 100+ resorts. But I've also heliskied in AK and Chile and off piste in Chamonix, Zermatt, and Cervinia.

Posted by: Elric Blade at June 06, 2022 11:32 AM (iFTx/)

124 Kudos to Mike Rowe for showing young people there are many alternatives to college for making a good, honest living.

Posted by: JM in Florida at June 06, 2022 11:32 AM (L7jyl)

125 Just finished watching Viva Frei's interview of Brandon Straka (Walk Away Campaign).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBtHUKHprRE

Totally jaw dropping and unbelievable what this guy has gone through for nothing. Forget the legal trouble, the fallout on all the rest of the bullshit will make your blood boil. I can't believe the GOP has allowed this shit to go on without a word. We need to replace all of those bastards this fall. And what's up with Trump endorsing Kevin McCarthy? How fucking stupid can he be?

Posted by: jwest at June 06, 2022 11:32 AM (/BlEx)

126 124 Kudos to Mike Rowe for showing young people there are many alternatives to college for making a good, honest living.
Posted by: JM in Florida at June 06, 2022 11:32 AM (L7jyl)

+1 to Mike Rowe

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at June 06, 2022 11:33 AM (V6f9+)

127 I'd like to see data on what those who choose not to go immediately (or at all) do after HS.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 06, 2022 11:07 AM (ZsR3z)

Kid out three weeks, hasn't looked for a job, not sure about college. But that's just anecdotal.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at June 06, 2022 11:30 AM (7bRMQ)

Kid who helped work on our new construction had a job before graduating, in a steel fab shop, as a welder, above minimum wage, with training and growth prospects.

Posted by: flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at June 06, 2022 11:33 AM (nByzo)

128 Women will stop going to college soon too.

Since the #1 real reason they go is to get the MRS degree.

You know, get hitched to a higher-status male ....

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at June 06, 2022 11:33 AM (Zf0+a)

129 Thanks, Black Orchid.

Momi, his big sis, is taking advantage of the peace and quiet.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at June 06, 2022 11:33 AM (ic6SW)

130 Skiing has become a rich person's activity. Lift tickets are well over a hundred bucks for a day pass.

I used to ski a lot when we could night ski for 7bucks. Damn. We had a lot of fun.

Posted by: nurse ratched at June 06, 2022 11:33 AM (PIcCH)

131 Alta after a foot of snow dump is about as good as it gets. Utah’s marketing doesn’t like when it says best snow on earth.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 06, 2022 11:33 AM (3vQN0)

132 Trump endorsing McCarthy? He expects gratitude, seems like.

Posted by: kraken at June 06, 2022 11:33 AM (Vr12I)

133 A lot of colleges with "competitive" admissions now quietly have affirmative action for males. The belief is that if the sex ratio goes over 60/40 female/male, a lot of women will stop wanting to attend.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 06, 2022 11:30 AM (I2/tG)
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On admissions, I could believe it. Not on operations, though. Even if the guy gets in, he's going to be hated by every facet of the institution. They can help him walk through the door through quiet favoritism, but they can't keep him there if he wants to quit being the permanent boogeyman, risk false accusations of rape, and be generally abused.

Colleges are toxic for everyone. They make men into the cause of that's all bad and convince women they can do no wrong, all while destroying the foundations of civilization in all available dimensions.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 06, 2022 11:34 AM (0zQHa)

134 I agree with you. But what 17 or 18 year old wants to go sweat like a pig in the trades when the alternative is 4+ years of partying and smoking dope and trying to get laid and not having to pay for any of it until years down the road?

Because in 2022 partying and getting laid are illegal unless you're gay, and it's now very well publicized that you *will* have to pay a shitton of money for it.

I guess there's still the dope though.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 06, 2022 11:34 AM (ZGrMX)

135 Most women don't want to go to a girls' school, and that's what they're increasingly becoming.

A lot of colleges with "competitive" admissions now quietly have affirmative action for males. The belief is that if the sex ratio goes over 60/40 female/male, a lot of women will stop wanting to attend.


Yup. William and Mary is a case in point. They have AA for males because they're at 60/40, and will tell you so explicitly.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 06, 2022 11:34 AM (ZsR3z)

136 The way to do skiing on the cheap is the Ikon or Eipic pass. Buying day tickets is ridiculous.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 06, 2022 11:34 AM (3vQN0)

137 Kid who helped work on our new construction had a job before graduating, in a steel fab shop, as a welder, above minimum wage, with training and growth prospects.

Posted by: flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at June 06, 2022 11:33 AM (nByzo)

Mine is a girl, interested in music. There's a nice cheap college in Utah for that, but she's not looking very hard for money. Told her to get on it. Only two months til Fall semester.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at June 06, 2022 11:34 AM (7bRMQ)

138 As the percentage of foreign born residents increases, expect the percentage of overall students entering into post-secondary education to decrease.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at June 06, 2022 11:34 AM (66TLh)

139 A story I saw on LinkedIn says that the number of jobs that now require a college degree has gone down. The student market is responding.

Posted by: SMOD at June 06, 2022 11:34 AM (RHGPo)

140 136 The way to do skiing on the cheap is the Ikon or Eipic pass. Buying day tickets is ridiculous.


yep

he's already covered the cost of NEXT YEAR's pass! and that's here on the Ice Coast! lol

Posted by: Black Orchid at June 06, 2022 11:35 AM (w0NJk)

141 Welp, my Noni will be in the vet hospital for two days while they drain his bladder and remove whatever obstruction.
Posted by: SMH at what's coming at June 06, 2022


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I'm sorry to hear that, SMH, though it's good that he's getting medical attention. Is Noni a dog or a cat?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at June 06, 2022 11:35 AM (txdEq)

142 And now, college degrees are required for jobs that high school dropouts can perform -- and those jobs pay exactly what a high school dropout would earn.

I studied a foreign language at a community college for years, and I would walk by the body shop classrooms and the HVAC repair classrooms at the community college, and wondered why it was necessary to go to community college to learn those trades.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 06, 2022 11:35 AM (I2/tG)

143 You know who keeps their boat tied up next to my surgeon's boat?


My plumber.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 06, 2022 11:35 AM (1n+EO)

144 Morning.

Boris Johnson faces a zConfidence vote today in Parliament.

https://instapundit.com/524161/

Via...oh, right.

Posted by: Robert at June 06, 2022 11:35 AM (Cp1I5)

145 128

That’s about 30 years out of date.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 06, 2022 11:35 AM (3vQN0)

146 Re: skiing

Snowbird ran a brilliant ad campaign a few years back touting themselves as a '1-star Resort'.

They took some of their negative reviews and made them the centerpiece of the campaign - reviews like: "There was too much snow!" and so on.

Really well done.

Posted by: 496 at June 06, 2022 11:35 AM (VJsqe)

147 141

I'm sorry to hear that, SMH, though it's good that he's getting medical attention. Is Noni a dog or a cat?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at June 06, 2022 11:35 AM (txdEq)

Ewok.

Posted by: kraken at June 06, 2022 11:36 AM (Vr12I)

148 They're both domestic shorthairs, Wolfus.

Noni is a ginger tabby.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at June 06, 2022 11:36 AM (ic6SW)

149 132 Trump endorsing McCarthy? He expects gratitude, seems like.
Posted by: kraken at June 06, 2022 11:33 AM (Vr12I)

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It was easily predictable. McCarthy is a lock for re-election.

Trump wants to work with Congress if and when he's back in power, not against it. It's better to try to make inroads with Congressional leadership than to give them open excuses to defy him.

Will it work? I have no idea, but McCarthy is a spineless worm, so getting on his good side might work something. It would probably work better than openly antagonizing him for the next two years and then finding him in charge of committee assignments and floor votes.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi at June 06, 2022 11:36 AM (LvTSG)

150 Well, of course. They've been told from infancy, "You don't want to get your hands dirty, do you?"

Posted by: creeper at June 06, 2022 11:25 AM


Well, the world needs ditch diggers too.

Posted by: Judge Smails at June 06, 2022 11:36 AM (bVYXr)

151 This is not a joke...my cousin's oldest grandson got a scholarship to Lander University...a fishing scolarship.

Posted by: BignJames at June 06, 2022 11:37 AM (AwYPR)

152 none of them even bothered to apply. am still trying to help their parents but yeah, they are too good for any normal job and apparently too good for my connections' internships too. which annoys me b/c I wasted some of my good will there to no avail. it's crazy.

Posted by: Black Orchid at June 06, 2022 11:13 AM (w0NJk)


Unless I'm getting paid $30 trillion/year and told that I'm a precious snowflake, what's the point?

Posted by: I used to have a different nic, member - Ashli Babbitt Society at June 06, 2022 11:37 AM (zhLdt)

153 Ditch digging jobs are last resort jobs though. They’re nobody’s choice.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 06, 2022 11:37 AM (3vQN0)

154 I think the people advocating for the trades are forgetting an important point: social status. Fair or not, college grads are perceived as higher status, and many women will consider only them. Those women might find out later in life that they'd have been better off with the plumber than the gender studies idiot, but by then, it's too late.

To be clear, I'm not saying I agree, I'm just noting it.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 06, 2022 11:37 AM (ZsR3z)

155 Welp, my Noni will be in the vet hospital for two days while they drain his bladder and remove whatever obstruction.
Posted by: SMH at what's coming at June 06, 2022 11:29 AM (ic6SW)


Poor guy.

Posted by: Jordan61 at June 06, 2022 11:37 AM (DRSnL)

156 You know who doesn't keep their boat tied up next to my surgeon's boat?

ANY Gender Studies graduate.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 06, 2022 11:38 AM (1n+EO)

157 It used to be that people went to college to gain crucial skills and increase your self-esteem.

These days we have Tic-Toc and YouTube to increase your se4lf-esteem.

As a matter of fact, I am planning on being an "Internet Influencer" when I retire.

Posted by: SMOD at June 06, 2022 11:38 AM (RHGPo)

158 Great News! Fewer High School Grads Proceeding to College as Enrollment Continues to Decline

The bad news: popular career goals among those who didn't go straight to college are crypto trader, drug dealer, and Instagram influencer

Posted by: cool breeze at June 06, 2022 11:38 AM (UGKMd)

159 "122 What's the sex breakdown with that lower enrollment?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 06, 2022 11:22 AM (0zQHa)

College enrollments are, overall, 60-40, female to male.

Posted by: kraken at June 06, 2022 11:24 AM (Vr12I)

Sex breakdown looking pretty good."

When I was going to college in the 80's, the ratio was essentially the inverse of that. It was less than ideal, but at least the women in the dating pool were mostly sane. I would be terrified of dating a college chick nowadays, even if they appeared normal at first blush.

Posted by: Jim T at June 06, 2022 11:38 AM (wkIwJ)

160 Both my sons went to college after being out in the world for a bit. The youngest did a stint in the Navy and on to college where he majored in atmospheric science and a minor in applied math. This from a kid who failed algebra twice in high school. My oldest drove a big rig for a few years to bank money to pay for school, got a music tech degree and a production team he was on just picked up two regional Emmys for their work. Not bad for 6 months out school.

It pays off to be out in the world for bit before deciding what you want to do.

Posted by: Tennessee Jed at June 06, 2022 11:38 AM (pXkXl)

161 I studied a foreign language at a community college for years, and I would walk by the body shop classrooms and the HVAC repair classrooms at the community college, and wondered why it was necessary to go to community college to learn those trades.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 06, 2022 11:35 AM (I2/tG)

Because it is not, in fact, something that you can just show up and be an expert on all things, and the trades actually expect you to do the work you are hired to do. And there are people out there who don't know one end of a hammer from the other.

Posted by: flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at June 06, 2022 11:38 AM (nByzo)

162 If it ain’t Rockies it ain’t skiing. Fight me.
Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 06, 2022 11:25 AM (3vQN0)

WA state! Well only if one looks at the 1984 US Olympic Ski Team. Only time US wins Alpine event as far as I can recall. Mahre Bros, Debbie Armstrong, and Bill Johnson (released from car theft wrap by a judge if he’d continue his skiing at Wenatchee ski school) all contribute to victory.

Posted by: Rex B at June 06, 2022 11:38 AM (KP7aq)

163 You know who keeps their boat tied up next to my surgeon's boat?
My plumber.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 06, 2022 11:35 AM (1n+EO)
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A brain surgeon got off work at 02:00 after a long surgery and when he got home, a toilet was flooding his house. He called an emergency, 24-hour plumber who came out, looked at the problem and tightened a fitting. He turned to the surgeon and said, "You're all set. That will be $500."

The surgeon blew his stack and said, "you turned one screw and were here for only 15 minutes! I'm a brain surgeon and I don't make $2,000 per hour!"

The plumber shrugged and said, "Yeah, I didn't earn that much when I was a brain surgeon, either."

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 06, 2022 11:38 AM (0zQHa)

164 Trump endorses "Outstanding" Kevin McCarthy for another team. (link goes to Breitbart)

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, who may be watching too many Pitch Meetings at June 06, 2022 11:18 AM (PiwSw)

Trump was alwas full of shit with he "Drain the Swamp" stuff. He always valued the swamp because he thinks he can negotiate an alliance. He's delusional.

Posted by: Bandana Dee at June 06, 2022 11:39 AM (tfnqC)

165 154 I think the people advocating for the trades are forgetting an important point: social status. Fair or not, college grads are perceived as higher status, and many women will consider only them.

Until there are three vans running around town with the plumber's name on the side. Those women just love a small business owner.

Posted by: jwest at June 06, 2022 11:39 AM (/BlEx)

166 Gun grabbing Giuliani on with Bannon talking 2A. LOL Go fuck yourself Rudy.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at June 06, 2022 11:39 AM (fmt/2)

167 Fair or not, college grads are perceived as higher status, and many women will consider only them.

Which is causing a lot of disruption socially, because there are not enough college educated men for all the college educated women.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 06, 2022 11:39 AM (I2/tG)

168 If I'd studied computers back then in the punch-card days, I probably could have walked out of college and into a high-paying white-collar job.
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My standard advice in the 1970s was do what you want in college, but make sure that you learn to program a computer while you're there.

I knew a fair number of philosophy majors who had lucrative careers as programmers.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 06, 2022


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I'd have had to learn to type, which I resisted with all my strength for years. How I managed to churn out short stories, a couple of novels, and term papers on a manual typewriter using 2 forefingers and a thumb is beyond my ability to explain now.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at June 06, 2022 11:39 AM (txdEq)

169 Hey Jordan.

It's been a long weekend, heh.

Glad you and nurse and the rest of you guys had fun.

Eldest daughter will be here on the 16th for a week, so looking forward to that.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at June 06, 2022 11:39 AM (ic6SW)

170 Lots of you are confusing plumbers with owners of plumbing companies with several employees. The former make $60k a year, the latter make $250k a year.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 06, 2022 11:39 AM (3vQN0)

171 and my programmer to know when an infinite loop is happening

As a programmer who interviewed job applicants, my limited experience says that the best programmers are those who program, not those who studied programming.

I’d also say that even when I took a couple of programming classes in the eighties (my degree was psychology, not programming) the quality of teaching was spotty at best.

My first hint that college-taught programming might not be worth much came when our assignment was to solve a programming problem that would normally be handled through recursion, in a language that does not support recursion. Therefore, went the summary, you can’t have function A calling function A.

But according to at least some of the graders, you could have function A call function B which then calls function A. In an actual language that does not support recursion, this will fail spectacularly. So it wouldn’t surprise me, both from my own experience and the interviews I conducted, if there are computer science grads who don’t understand what an infinite loop is and how to avoid it.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at June 06, 2022 11:40 AM (U+Oxn)

172 "Fair or not, college grads are perceived as higher status, and many women will consider only them. Those women might find out later in life that they'd have been better off with the plumber than the gender studies idiot, but by then, it's too late. "

Most men benefit from those women having that mindset.

As in...'Whew....dodged another crazy woman'.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 06, 2022 11:40 AM (1n+EO)

173 153 Ditch digging jobs are last resort jobs though. They’re nobody’s choice.
Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 06, 2022 11:37 AM (3vQN0)

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There was a bully in my junior and senior high school - one of the 'cool kids'. Thought he was hot stuff, picked on smaller, younger kids, etc... I went away to school and then left town for 15 years and forgot about him... Until he dug the hole for my basement. Heh.




Posted by: 496 at June 06, 2022 11:40 AM (VJsqe)

174 I think the people advocating for the trades are forgetting an important point: social status. Fair or not, college grads are perceived as higher status, and many women will consider only them.
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Good thing there are women who aren't so shallow.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at June 06, 2022 11:40 AM (ic6SW)

175 Income and status have a .6 correlation coefficient in attracting a mate for males.

Income and status have a -.05 correlation coefficient in attracting a mate for females.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at June 06, 2022 11:40 AM (66TLh)

176 There is a joke currently making its way through the internet. It goes something like this: Elon Musk has offered to buy the FBI for $100 million. No word on whether Hillary Clinton will sell.

Posted by: SMOD at June 06, 2022 11:40 AM (RHGPo)

177 139 A story I saw on LinkedIn says that the number of jobs that now require a college degree has gone down. The student market is responding.
Posted by: SMOD at June 06, 2022 11:34 AM (RHGPo)

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Yeah. If a kid's chosen career path doesn't include the bar , boards, engineering competency exams or the like, then college shouldn't be his default consideration. I'm starting to see that more and more among my kids' circle -- almost exclusively the male ones, and some of whom would do fine in college. But they're on to the scam.

Posted by: SloPitch Whiffer at June 06, 2022 11:41 AM (+R5dc)

178 Ditch digging jobs are last resort jobs though. They’re nobody’s choice.
Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 06, 2022 11:37 AM (3vQN0)

sure they are, once you own the backhoe.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 06, 2022 11:41 AM (El0oR)

179 101 Back in the Dark Ages (aka my high school years), there were vocational programs in high school for kids who were not planning to attend college. These kids, male and female, graduated high school ready to start earning money their first day post graduation.

my high school sat between a university extension and a vocational school. i could take courses at either during the day, get high school credit for them, and the school district paid tuition. i went to college as a sophomore. i also learned that i should not be allowed anywhere near a vehicle with a tool in my hand. invaluable stuff.

Posted by: kulak anachronda at June 06, 2022 11:41 AM (oY6Yp)

180 Will it work? I have no idea, but McCarthy is a spineless worm, so getting on his good side might work something. It would probably work better than openly antagonizing him for the next two years and then finding him in charge of committee assignments and floor votes.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi at June 06, 2022 11:36 AM (LvTSG)

It won't work. McCarthy is entrenched. What's his penalty for going against Trump? There is no way McCarthy goes full MAGA to appease Trump.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at June 06, 2022 11:41 AM (KbCG3)

181 WA state, at least the west side of the state is heavy as fuck wet snow. Nickname is Cascade Cement. So if you ski in that it prepares you well for competitions worldwide. But for a fun factor, it blows.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 06, 2022 11:42 AM (3vQN0)

182 I'd have had to learn to type, which I resisted with all my strength for years. How I managed to churn out short stories, a couple of novels, and term papers on a manual typewriter using 2 forefingers and a thumb is beyond my ability to explain now.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at June 06, 2022 11:39 AM (txdEq)

Typing skills and ten key were about the only valuable learning I received in college.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at June 06, 2022 11:42 AM (7bRMQ)

183 Ditch digging jobs are last resort jobs though. They’re nobody’s choice.
Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 06, 2022 11:37 AM (3vQN0)

sure they are, once you own the backhoe.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon


Fistbump 🤜🏻🤛🏻

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 06, 2022 11:42 AM (c8pZY)

184 44

You have to have a super-human commitment to lying to claim republicans have been running major cities in this country.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at June 06, 2022 11:42 AM (vNbzm)

185 Posted by: Rex B at June 06, 2022 11:38 AM (KP7aq)

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Ted Ligety, Bode Miller, and Mikaela Shiffrin would like a word.

Posted by: 496 at June 06, 2022 11:43 AM (VJsqe)

186 McCarthy as speaker.

Oh boy, this going to be great!

Posted by: blaster at June 06, 2022 11:43 AM (9otr5)

187 Hey Buck, was that you on the Chris Plant show just now?
(Caller was Buck from Chattanooga)

Posted by: IrishEi at June 06, 2022 11:43 AM (VhE0u)

188 "Lots of you are confusing plumbers with owners of plumbing companies with several employees. The former make $60k a year, the latter make $250k a year."

Most plumbing business owners that I know started by working for another plumbing company.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 06, 2022 11:43 AM (1n+EO)

189 Trade School.

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko Solutions at June 06, 2022 11:43 AM (mrjgR)

190 It's not just college enrollment that's down. The lead story in my local lefty newspaper is about school boards struggling to keep teacher positions. The state funds teachers based on enrollment, and enrollment has dropped significantly. It seems a lot of people are simply fed up with public education and they're not going to send their children back to public schools.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at June 06, 2022 11:43 AM (sWM8x)

191 "Good thing there are women who aren't so shallow."
Posted by: SMH at what's coming at June 06, 2022 11:40 AM (ic6SW)

When I first read this I thought you were saying people in the trades got women who don't swallow.

Posted by: jwest at June 06, 2022 11:44 AM (/BlEx)

192 The bad news: popular career goals among those who didn't go straight to college are crypto trader, drug dealer, and Instagram influencer

Posted by: cool breeze at June 06, 2022 11:38 AM


I don't get the crypto trader thing. It makes absolutely zero sense to me how a thing that is not real in any sense of the word can be traded and people make money doing it. Our son bought into bitcoin a few years back and made some serious money doing it. Now if you buy into it there is a 95% probability that you are going to lose money.


I mean it peaked six months ago $67,000 a coin and is now trading at $31,000 a coin. I guess they make it up in volume.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at June 06, 2022 11:44 AM (bVYXr)

193 Well, one thing. Once the price of gas renders backhoes obsolete, we'll need ditch diggers.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, That's AnonosaurX WrX, hater! at June 06, 2022 11:44 AM (FVME7)

194 The whole so-and-so makes XYZ a year thing always reminds me that Success is (or at least should be) an individual condition.

Succeed or fail on your own terms. Your income is between you and your employer, and coming up with ad hoc top down "policies" to do whatever some unconcerned third party wants with how much other people are making can only serve to royally screw over at least some groups of people.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 06, 2022 11:44 AM (/EuRN)

195 180 It won't work. McCarthy is entrenched. What's his penalty for going against Trump? There is no way McCarthy goes full MAGA to appease Trump.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at June 06, 2022 11:41 AM (KbCG3)

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The idea wouldn't be for McCarthy to go full MAGA (anyone expecting any federal government of any composition to full MAGA in the next generation is delusional, the institutional limits are just simply too severe to loosen the reins anytime soon), but to simply be non-antagonistic.

McCarthy is a follower. He's following his donors and McConnell. The idea is get McCarthy to follow Trump at least some of the time.

Again, the realistic alternative isn't to beat McCarthy in his secure to win re-election campaign, but to simply make him an enemy.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi at June 06, 2022 11:44 AM (LvTSG)

196 They're both domestic shorthairs, Wolfus.

Noni is a ginger tabby.
Posted by: SMH at what's coming at June 06, 2022


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Bladder obstruction? That used to be more common in years gone by -- a kind of silt could build up in the male cat's urethra (because it narrows at one point, unlike the female's) and cause a blockage. Arizona my big red tabby had it, and Linda's Marie-Antoinette too (which is how we learned she was born a boy, but transitioned).

Apparently commercial cat food is better about that now. Neither Chekov nor Wolf, my most recent male cats, ever had the problem.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at June 06, 2022 11:44 AM (txdEq)

197 56 *facepalm*

Trump endorses "Outstanding" Kevin McCarthy for another team. (link goes to Breitbart)


At what point does Trump become a liability to MAGA?

*runs and hides*

Posted by: Maj. Healey at June 06, 2022 11:44 AM (fmt/2)

198 When I first read this I thought you were saying people in the trades got women who don't swallow.
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Bless your heart.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at June 06, 2022 11:44 AM (ic6SW)

199 I'd have had to learn to type, which I resisted with all my strength for years.

The best decision I made in high school was to take the typing class. It was a low-status choice, but (a) it was filled with teenaged girls, and (b) the ability to sit at a keyboard and use it as an extension of my brain is probably the most useful technical skill I’ve had both as a writer and as a programmer.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at June 06, 2022 11:45 AM (U+Oxn)

200 "San Fransicko" - whose subtitle actually is "how progressives ruin cities - and after he went on his spiel of how the progs wrecked the city, he concluded that it was the fault of "conservatives and moderates" that it doesn't get fixed!
Posted by: kallisto at June 06, 2022 11:15 AM (DJFLF)
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Don't you get it? It's your job to bail them out of their mistakes, fix what they broke, take heaps of abuse in the process, then get called a piece of shit when the people who's lives you saved get bored and kick you out in favor of what did the damage in the first place.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 06, 2022 11:45 AM (0zQHa)

201 I'd have had to learn to type, which I resisted with all my strength for years.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius



My mother insisted I take typing class. I hated it until I saw how many girls were in the class. Also, the teacher was reputed to have been a waitress in a Playboy club to pay her way through college; I don't know if it was true, but she would have easily qualified.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at June 06, 2022 11:45 AM (lTGtQ)

202 Moar Leftoid hypocrisiez...

On the last thread I posted about how Saint FDR, friend of the werkin man, established Whites Only towns around PWA projects, making the non-whites commute from a distance.

Another little gem I learned: Chevy Chase MD, GZ for Karen Nation...was a Sundown Town until the mid 20c. A "Sundown Town" meant if you were not white, you had to be out of the city limits by sundown. Quite a few municipalities sounded a siren or a bell so the undesirables knew it was time to leave.

Who's gonna tell the Chevy Chase Karens that they rayciss?

Posted by: kallisto at June 06, 2022 11:45 AM (DJFLF)

203 There was a bully in my junior and senior high school - one of the 'cool kids'. Thought he was hot stuff, picked on smaller, younger kids, etc... I went away to school and then left town for 15 years and forgot about him... Until he dug the hole for my basement. Heh.




Posted by: 496 at June 06, 2022 11:40 AM (VJsqe)

Heh. I had a similar experience. This asshole in HS. He knew not to fuck with me since I was the kid in HS who have no fucks, but he was a real duck to a lot of people.

A few years post HS I was back home visiting my parents and went to the grocery store to buy some stuff. Who was stocking shelves? Why none other than that guy. We were 25 or 26 at this point. And it made me smile that his life had turned out like that.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 06, 2022 11:45 AM (3vQN0)

204 Typing skills and ten key were about the only valuable learning I received in college.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at June 06, 2022 11:42 AM (7bRMQ)

I'd say mine was honing the ability to successfully complete the one-handed bra unhook maneuver.

Posted by: Count de Monet at June 06, 2022 11:45 AM (4I/2K)

205 200 Don't you get it? It's your job to bail them out of their mistakes, fix what they broke, take heaps of abuse in the process, then get called a piece of shit when the people who's lives you saved get bored and kick you out in favor of what did the damage in the first place.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 06, 2022 11:45 AM (0zQHa)

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Sounds like every failed communist state ever.

Also, every communist state ever.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi at June 06, 2022 11:45 AM (LvTSG)

206 Most plumbing business owners that I know started by working for another plumbing company.

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Yep. Same as HVAC, roofers, landscapers, etc. That's sort of how that whole thing works.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - witness the Amber Heard presidency at June 06, 2022 11:46 AM (nK76A)

207 238

>>to spur domestic production of solar panels and other clean energy projects, sources tell me..


Because of the marxist plans to plunge us into darkness, The US annually retires about 11 gigawatts of coal power plant generation, our power grids are going to be failing more frequently and eventually collapse because at their best, solar farms generate megawatts of energy and not gigawatts.

Without increased power and energy an economy cannot grow, it's an immutable law.

These people want us dead and are actively trying to murder us.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 06, 2022 11:46 AM (yfl3F)

208 It's not just college enrollment that's down. The lead story in my local lefty newspaper is about school boards struggling to keep teacher positions. The state funds teachers based on enrollment, and enrollment has dropped significantly. It seems a lot of people are simply fed up with public education and they're not going to send their children back to public schools.
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at June 06, 2022 11:43 AM (sWM8x)
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Even better. Even if you do an indifferent job at home schooling, you're probably doing a better job than the public schools.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 06, 2022 11:46 AM (0zQHa)

209 Ditch digging jobs are last resort jobs though. They’re nobody’s choice.
Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 06, 2022 11:37 AM (3vQN0)

sure they are, once you own the backhoe.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

Pay attention to the road crews rebuilding roads and such. Look what the heavy equipment operators drive. Their pickups aren't the cheap ones.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 06, 2022 11:46 AM (c8pZY)

210 167 Fair or not, college grads are perceived as higher status, and many women will consider only them.

Which is causing a lot of disruption socially, because there are not enough college educated men for all the college educated women.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 06, 2022 11:39 AM (I2/tG)

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Another good reason for Biden to surrender to Chairman Xi for an additional 10% -- all those young, college-educated, surplus Chinese males.

/Win-Win!

Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, we got fun & games & Starveflation aims at June 06, 2022 11:47 AM (iVmfy)

211 Hey, if anyone here has a niece, nephew, son, daughter, or grands of same, and they are going into their Junior year next Fall at any college studying computer science; and if they can get a security clearance (no felonies, etc); and they'd be interested in working in the Intelligence Community, let me know. I am aware of some excellent internships.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 06, 2022 11:47 AM (anj39)

212 Lots of mugs out there that college grads all work at Starbucks and owe $100k in student debt. Stop falling for the msm propaganda designed to forgive loans and get the govt to give people more money.

The median starting salary for all college graduates in 2021 was $55k a year. And the median debt was $30k.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 06, 2022 11:47 AM (3vQN0)

213 170 Lots of you are confusing plumbers with owners of plumbing companies with several employees. The former make $60k a year, the latter make $250k a year.
Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 06, 2022 11:39 AM (3vQN0)

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$60k/yr is more than a lot of new college graduates can earn. Add to that the lack of college debt and the fact that you don't need to work 2 jobs and it's a real easy choice.

Posted by: 496 at June 06, 2022 11:47 AM (VJsqe)

214 Yup. William and Mary is a case in point. They have AA for males because they're at 60/40, and will tell you so explicitly.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 06, 2022 11:34 AM (ZsR3z)
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Where I work (STEM school), the ratio is about 70/30 males / females. They are always eager to enroll any promising young woman who wants to attend. Despite what you may hear, NO ONE wants to keep women out of STEM schools. Women just aren't that interested in attending.

These fields are inherently challenging so you have to be quite determined and disciplined to succeed (male or female).

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at June 06, 2022 11:48 AM (YIVH2)

215 183 Ditch digging jobs are last resort jobs though. They’re nobody’s choice.
Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 06, 2022 11:37 AM (3vQN0)

sure they are, once you own the backhoe.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

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Recently said goodbye to $3,500 that went off to live with two guys who own a front-end loader and a trailer and the willingness to climb into a stranger's septic tank. The cheerfulness with which they worked those three hours was striking.

Posted by: SloPitch Whiffer at June 06, 2022 11:48 AM (+R5dc)

216 On the last thread I posted about how Saint FDR, friend of the werkin man, established Whites Only towns around PWA projects, making the non-whites commute from a distance. ...
Posted by: kallisto at June 06, 2022 11:45 AM (DJFLF)
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It is widely forgotten, but also keep in mind that even though it was by no means universal, the armed forces began integrating in the 1920s.

Then Roosevelt re-segregated the armed forces. Great hero.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 06, 2022 11:48 AM (0zQHa)

217 I'd say mine was honing the ability to successfully complete the one-handed bra unhook maneuver.

Posted by: Count de Monet at June 06, 2022 11:45 AM (4I/2K)

The real trick was getting girls to do it by themselves.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at June 06, 2022 11:48 AM (7bRMQ)

218 Again, the realistic alternative isn't to beat McCarthy in his secure to win re-election campaign, but to simply make him an enemy.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi at June 06, 2022 11:44 AM (LvTSG)

Honestly, I don't see much of a difference. McCarthy is going to act within a certain set of parameters either way. Those parameters do very little to further the conservative movement.

Dare I say, Trump is acting more and more like an insider getting swallowed by the swamp.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at June 06, 2022 11:48 AM (KbCG3)

219 It seems a lot of people are simply fed up with public education and they're not going to send their children back to public schools.
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at June 06, 2022 11:43 AM (sWM8x)
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Even better. Even if you do an indifferent job at home schooling, you're probably doing a better job than the public schools.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 06, 2022 11:46 AM (0zQHa)

Public school enrollments were down about a million students, last I checked. Let it burn.

Posted by: flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at June 06, 2022 11:48 AM (nByzo)

220 199 The best decision I made in high school was to take the typing class. It was a low-status choice, but (a) it was filled with teenaged girls, and (b) the ability to sit at a keyboard and use it as an extension of my brain is probably the most useful technical skill I’ve had both as a writer and as a programmer.

mom made me take typing in 7th grade. "you'll need it when you go to college," she said. worst class ever. we'd come in and sit down at the (manual) typewriter. the teacher would put a tape in the tape player, then sit at his desk reading a newspaper. tape would go "a a a a s s s s", etc. and we'd go *thump* *thump* *thump* and so on.

most useful class i had.

Posted by: kulak anachronda at June 06, 2022 11:48 AM (oY6Yp)

221 I think the colleges most likely to be on the bubble are older second- and third-tier private schools that are too small to have a big endowment and have been a sinecure for faculty for decades. There are a bunch of them through New York, New England, Pennsylvania, and Ohio.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at June 06, 2022 11:48 AM (7B5FA)

222 It seems a lot of people are simply fed up with public education and they're not going to send their children back to public schools.

During Covid, parents learned that: 1) that they actually had the resources to homeschool their kids; and 2) they got to see via Zoom what sort of "education" their kids were getting.

It didn't help that when parents tried to get the schools reopened, the teachers unions sneered that parents just wanted "free babysitting".

Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 06, 2022 11:48 AM (I2/tG)

223 Most plumbing business owners that I know started by working for another plumbing company.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 06, 2022


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The Bernie-Bro member of my writing group, the Trumpsychotic, worked as an electrician for many years. He inveighs mightily about how the "fat cats" are screwing workers over. I asked him, "Well, why didn't you start your own business and change that?"

He had no answer.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at June 06, 2022 11:49 AM (txdEq)

224 Seems like the only trades that are laying people off these days is the domestic oil industry.


Grrrrr.

Posted by: 496 at June 06, 2022 11:49 AM (VJsqe)

225 U.S. Men’s Soccer Team Pens Open Letter to Congress for More Gun Control

NRA Pens Open Letter to Congress for More Soccer

Posted by: SMOD at June 06, 2022 11:49 AM (RHGPo)

226 Hub's boss is also family (SiL's uncle).

The number of electricians among family and friends is staggering.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at June 06, 2022 11:49 AM (ic6SW)

227 The real trick was getting girls to do it by themselves.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at June 06, 2022 11:48 AM (7bRMQ)

I was never that good at playing guitar.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 06, 2022 11:49 AM (/EuRN)

228
Pay attention to the road crews rebuilding roads and such. Look what the heavy equipment operators drive. Their pickups aren't the cheap ones.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 06, 2022 11:46 AM

$30k millionaire applies to blue collar guys as well as white collar

Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 06, 2022 11:49 AM (3vQN0)

229 Most plumbing business owners that I know started by working for another plumbing company.

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Yep. Same as HVAC, roofers, landscapers, etc. That's sort of how that whole thing works.
Posted by: Moron Robbie

Especially for plumbers. Eunuchs > journeyman > tradesman > master plumber. Once they become a master plumber, they open their own business.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 06, 2022 11:49 AM (c8pZY)

230 218 Honestly, I don't see much of a difference. McCarthy is going to act within a certain set of parameters either way. Those parameters do very little to further the conservative movement.

Dare I say, Trump is acting more and more like an insider getting swallowed by the swamp.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at June 06, 2022 11:48 AM (KbCG3)

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If it doesn't matter, then it doesn't matter whether he endorses McCarthy or not and either decision necessitates any kind of reaction from people not directly involved.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi at June 06, 2022 11:49 AM (LvTSG)

231 curious where you teach Perfessor! I know you're right - we visited CO School of Mines and it was like 80/20 M to F lol

I loved it so much BUT he's worried it's so small. Imma keep pushing it tho. from THERE you WILL get a good job after grad!

Posted by: Black Orchid at June 06, 2022 11:49 AM (w0NJk)

232 But that doesn't translate into better-prepared or more-capable students upon graduation.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at June 06, 2022 11:16 AM (YIVH2)


That's not why you go into education.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic, member - Ashli Babbitt Society at June 06, 2022 11:49 AM (zhLdt)

233 It is widely forgotten, but also keep in mind that even though it was by no means universal, the armed forces began integrating in the 1920s. Then Roosevelt re-segregated the armed forces. Great hero. Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 06, 2022 11:48 AM (0zQHa)

I think you might be about 20 years off. Wilson re-segregated the armed forces for WW I.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at June 06, 2022 11:50 AM (7B5FA)

234 I am working on learning a new trade and starting a business. Very hard at this old age!

Posted by: rhennigantx at June 06, 2022 11:50 AM (yrol0)

235 I was never that good at playing guitar.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 06, 2022 11:49 AM (/EuRN)

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LOL

Posted by: 496 at June 06, 2022 11:51 AM (VJsqe)

236 "...I went away to school and then left town for 15 years and forgot about him... Until he dug the hole for my basement. Heh." Posted by: 496 at June 06, 2022 11:40 AM (VJsqe)

Excavators own the type of boats that plumbers and brain surgeons wish they could afford.

Posted by: jwest at June 06, 2022 11:51 AM (/BlEx)

237 Ted Ligety, Bode Miller, and Mikaela Shiffrin would like a word.
Posted by: 496 at June 06, 2022 11:43

What year/Olympics did they win at the medal table?

Posted by: Rex B at June 06, 2022 11:51 AM (KP7aq)

238 If it doesn't matter, then it doesn't matter whether he endorses McCarthy or not and either decision necessitates any kind of reaction from people not directly involved.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi at June 06, 2022 11:49 AM (LvTSG)

I'm saying, the endorsement doesn't matter in terms of how McCarthy will act as speaker. He owes nothing to Trump.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at June 06, 2022 11:51 AM (KbCG3)

239 There is the Money for Nothing and the Chicks for Free career aspiration that is still out there too.

Posted by: kraken at June 06, 2022 11:51 AM (Vr12I)

240 105
Toilets are the easy part of plumbing.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at June 06, 2022 11:51 AM (vNbzm)

241 I think the colleges most likely to be on the bubble are older second- and third-tier private schools that are too small to have a big endowment and have been a sinecure for faculty for decades. There are a bunch of them through New York, New England, Pennsylvania, and Ohio.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at June 06, 2022 11:48 AM (7B5FA)
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I went to one of those. It's going to be toast within 25 years. Costs are out of control, they grossly overextended on capital outlay (fancy new buildings and facilities), tuition is so high that it can't be justified for what you get, and they can't live long off the endowment.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 06, 2022 11:51 AM (0zQHa)

242 I loved it so much BUT he's worried it's so small. Imma keep pushing it tho. from THERE you WILL get a good job after grad! Posted by: Black Orchid at June 06, 2022 11:49 AM (w0NJk)

Another STEM gem is Rose-Hulman, in Indiana. When my ex-wife worked in HR at NASA, she said a Rose-Hulman resume always gets a second look, even during a hiring freeze (which is surprisingly common there).

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at June 06, 2022 11:52 AM (7B5FA)

243 College loan forgiveness is an middle / upper middle class technocrat obsession.

The debt factors into their lives. A lot of mid level people who work in government, academia, education, and other soft jobs have a ton of credentials and mediocre pay.

A lot of the girls get very expensive degrees, meet a guy, and become stay at home moms. They want you to pay for that.

Posted by: MJ at June 06, 2022 11:52 AM (zwDuR)

244 $60k/yr is more than a lot of new college graduates can earn. Add to that the lack of college debt and the fact that you don't need to work 2 jobs and it's a real easy choice.
Posted by: 496 at June 06, 2022 11:47 AM (VJsqe)

Median STARTING salary for college grads in 2021 was $55k. Median debt was $30k.

Most people will pay that $30k off in less than 10 years and by then will be making $70,80k a year. Tht is the typical college grad story. Not the outliers you hear about on CNN.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 06, 2022 11:52 AM (3vQN0)

245 Krugman’s latest drivel harrumphed that “[v]oters don’t care about economists’ estimates of underlying inflation.” Instead, mourned Krugman, “they care about the prices they pay, especially the prices of highly salient goods they buy on a regular basis.” Krugman pivoted off of a bad European inflation report to lecture Americans that the “lesson” was that “these are precisely the prices over which President Biden, or actually any president, has almost no control.” When Biden used a similar line of reasoning to dodge responsibility for inflation in March, even The Associated Press fact-checked him: “Biden sidesteps reality. Government spending has been a clear factor behind rising consumer prices.”

Posted by: SMOD at June 06, 2022 11:52 AM (RHGPo)

246 @230

>>If it doesn't matter, then it doesn't matter whether he endorses McCarthy or not and either decision necessitates any kind of reaction from people not directly involved.

Henry was pretty mad a Tommy for killing Spider, but Henry saw the bigger picture, unfortunately for Henry, Tommy got wacked.

There are some metaphors here, I'm not sure what they are, but they're there.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 06, 2022 11:52 AM (yfl3F)

247 I think you might be about 20 years off. Wilson re-segregated the armed forces for WW I.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at June 06, 2022 11:50 AM (7B5FA)
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I didn't know there was any integration prior to Wilson, but there was some during the interwar period until Roosevelt got his hands on the wheel.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 06, 2022 11:52 AM (0zQHa)

248 Whenever I was hired, for anything, it was because I was a skilled person and my skills were needed.
No one ever asked for my CV (and I have one).

Posted by: gourmand du jour at June 06, 2022 11:52 AM (jTmQV)

249 curious where you teach Perfessor! I know you're right - we visited CO School of Mines and it was like 80/20 M to F lol

I loved it so much BUT he's worried it's so small. Imma keep pushing it tho. from THERE you WILL get a good job after grad!
Posted by: Black Orchid at June 06, 2022 11:49 AM (w0NJk)
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It's a peer institution to Colorado School of Mines, located in the Ozarks, about halfway between Springfield and St. Louis...As long as I've been here (almost 30 years), the ratio of males to females has fluctuated between 3-to-1 and 4-to-1

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at June 06, 2022 11:52 AM (YIVH2)

250 The best decision I made in high school was to take the typing class. It was a low-status choice, but (a) it was filled with teenaged girls, and (b) the ability to sit at a keyboard and use it as an extension of my brain is probably the most useful technical skill I’ve had both as a writer and as a programmer.

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Low-status indeed. When I was in HS, typing was "for girls," because "they're going to be secretaries until they get married." Looking back, I wish I'd taken it, though. "Filled with teenage girls" would have been a plus, I admit.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at June 06, 2022 11:52 AM (txdEq)

251 Find the guy who owns the septic tank company that has his name on the side of the trucks.

Follow him home one time.

Septic tank business is literally liquid gold.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 06, 2022 11:52 AM (1n+EO)

252 Despite what you may hear, NO ONE wants to keep women out of STEM schools. Women just aren't that interested in attending.

The biggest wowzer that the Left continues to perpetrate is that women and minorities are still being discriminated against in higher education.

"There are so few black professors in STEM departments because racist universities refuse to hire qualified black people!"

Yeah, right.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 06, 2022 11:53 AM (I2/tG)

253 I would love to see how the numbers were massaged to pretend that the starting salaries of college grads is $55K.

The salaries of HBCU graduates after ten years is $30K or so, and that's going to be 25-35% of non-HBCU graduates, too. There's no way those kids are walking into $55K jobs as a median salary.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - witness the Amber Heard presidency at June 06, 2022 11:53 AM (nK76A)

254 238 I'm saying, the endorsement doesn't matter in terms of how McCarthy will act as speaker. He owes nothing to Trump.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at June 06, 2022 11:51 AM (KbCG3)

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Will it affect McCarthy's ability to get re-elected at all?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi at June 06, 2022 11:53 AM (LvTSG)

255 241

I went to one of those. It's going to be toast within 25 years. Costs are out of control, they grossly overextended on capital outlay (fancy new buildings and facilities), tuition is so high that it can't be justified for what you get, and they can't live long off the endowment.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 06, 2022 11:51 AM (0zQHa)

They won't survive.The window is estimated at 5-10 years though.

Posted by: kraken at June 06, 2022 11:53 AM (Vr12I)

256 The real trick was getting girls to do it by themselves.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at June 06, 2022 11:48 AM (7bRMQ)

Smooth patter was never my forte. Neither was graceful dexterity. Any ability I had along those lines have been lost in the mists of time.

Posted by: Count de Monet at June 06, 2022 11:53 AM (4I/2K)

257 It's a peer institution to Colorado School of Mines, located in the Ozarks, about halfway between Springfield and St. Louis...As long as I've been here (almost 30 years), the ratio of males to females has fluctuated between 3-to-1 and 4-to-1


sounds lovely! yep there are definitely worthwhile schools in this sadly small category - thank goodness!

Posted by: Black Orchid at June 06, 2022 11:53 AM (w0NJk)

258 Another STEM gem is Rose-Hulman, in Indiana.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at June 06, 2022 11:52 AM (7B5FA)

Both are highly regarded in the STEM world.

Posted by: flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at June 06, 2022 11:54 AM (nByzo)

259 Hey Moron Robbie, the Panthers just hired a transgender cheerleader! You go *checks program* girl!

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, who may be watching too many Pitch Meetings at June 06, 2022 11:54 AM (PiwSw)

260 I went to one of those. It's going to be toast within 25 years. Costs are out of control, they grossly overextended on capital outlay (fancy new buildings and facilities), tuition is so high that it can't be justified for what you get, and they can't live long off the endowment. Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 06, 2022 11:51 AM (0zQHa)

There's probably a cottage industry in restructuring those that will keep turnaround consultants busy for the next couple of decades. Do the first one cheap and then you have a resume builder.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at June 06, 2022 11:54 AM (7B5FA)

261 I dated a college educated woman for a period of time.

She was always very distraught when I destroyed her watching Jeopardy.

She also drank about a pint of Jim Beam every other night and would sometimes slap the hell out of me for no apparent reason. Was also very jealous of the time I spent with my daughter.

I learned from her that it was better to date in my own circles. And also to be careful around women that drank lots of bourbon.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at June 06, 2022 11:55 AM (66TLh)

262 "There are so few black professors in STEM departments because racist universities refuse to hire qualified black people!"

Yeah, right.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 06, 2022 11:53 AM (I2/tG)
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yeah, I don't buy it either because I WORK HERE and I can see just how many minorities and women professors we have. It's a lot.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at June 06, 2022 11:55 AM (YIVH2)

263 254 238 I'm saying, the endorsement doesn't matter in terms of how McCarthy will act as speaker. He owes nothing to Trump.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at June 06, 2022 11:51 AM (KbCG3)

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Will it affect McCarthy's ability to get re-elected at all?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi at June 06, 2022 11:53 AM (LvTSG)

Nope.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at June 06, 2022 11:55 AM (KbCG3)

264 What year/Olympics did they win at the medal table?
Posted by: Rex B at June 06, 2022 11:51 AM (KP7aq)

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Ligety took gold in 2006 and 2014.
Bode took gold in 2010
Schiffrin in 2014 and 2018

All that being said, I love Stevens Pass and Crystal Mountain - both fantastic hills and much better than anything here in VT. Alpental too. Liftline on the upper chair is so much fun.

Posted by: 496 at June 06, 2022 11:55 AM (VJsqe)

265 I don't know if you guys know the but the PA state school system (non-land-grant) is consolidating in a BIG way. some of these schools are pretty far from each other too so not sure how it will work

I'm pretty sure they're lying about not closing some of them

Posted by: Black Orchid at June 06, 2022 11:55 AM (w0NJk)

266 Hey Moron Robbie, the Panthers just hired a transgender cheerleader! You go *checks program* girl!

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I saw that. I think it's hilarious that the dude will be cheering on the very demographic that is most likely to beat him to death.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - witness the Amber Heard presidency at June 06, 2022 11:56 AM (nK76A)

267 257 It's a peer institution to Colorado School of Mines, located in the Ozarks, about halfway between Springfield and St. Louis...As long as I've been here (almost 30 years), the ratio of males to females has fluctuated between 3-to-1 and 4-to-1


sounds lovely! yep there are definitely worthwhile schools in this sadly small category - thank goodness!
Posted by: Black Orchid at June 06, 2022 11:53 AM (w0NJk)

Missouri School of Mines in Rolla, Mo. ???? Yes, but mining is eeeevil now.

Posted by: kraken at June 06, 2022 11:56 AM (Vr12I)

268 I'd say mine was honing the ability to successfully complete the one-handed bra unhook maneuver.

Posted by: Count de Monet at June 06, 2022
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The real trick was getting girls to do it by themselves.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at June 06, 2022


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Mrs. Wolfus No. 2 solved that problem by wearing bras that unhooked in front.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at June 06, 2022 11:56 AM (txdEq)

269 263
Will it affect McCarthy's ability to get re-elected at all?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi at June 06, 2022 11:53 AM (LvTSG)

Nope.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at June 06, 2022 11:55 AM (KbCG3)

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Will it affect McCarthy's hold on the Republican caucus to the point that he would lose his Speaker bid if he won his own re-election campaign in the face of Trump's endorsement of his opponent?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi at June 06, 2022 11:56 AM (LvTSG)

270 I believe engineering could be done as well or better with an apprenticeship system in lieu of college. But there isn't a system in place for it.

Posted by: banana Dream at June 06, 2022 11:56 AM (VOewj)

271 Fewer people going to college is terrible! How will the economy, and society at large, survive if teachers can't rack up $320,000 in debt for their bachelor's and master's degrees to make $60k a year like me?
https://tinyurl.com/bdfmjxad

Posted by: Cheryl (last name withheld on request, because she's fucking retarded) at June 06, 2022 11:56 AM (JCZqz)

272 261
I learned from her that it was better to date in my own circles. And also to be careful around women that drank lots of bourbon.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at June 06, 2022 11:55 AM (66TLh)

Bitter Clinger: Add vodka to the list as well. It is like "liquid bitch". Ask me how I know....

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 06, 2022 11:56 AM (N39Ws)

273 The salaries of HBCU graduates after ten years is $30K or so, and that's going to be 25-35% of non-HBCU graduates, too. There's no way those kids are walking into $55K jobs as a median salary.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - witness the Amber Heard presidency at June 06, 2022 11:53 AM (nK76A)

That’s why it’s a median. For every $30k there is a $75k. You would be shocked at starting salaries for tech jobs. $100k is kind of the new minimum wage these days, at least for the faang and faang adjacent. And even for mid level, $80k is pretty standard.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 06, 2022 11:57 AM (3vQN0)

274 239 There is the Money for Nothing and the Chicks for Free career aspiration that is still out there too.
Posted by: kraken at June 06, 2022 11:51 AM (Vr12I)

The "blister on your thumb" lyric always confused me until I remembered how Knopfler plays.

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, who may be watching too many Pitch Meetings at June 06, 2022 11:57 AM (PiwSw)

275 Low-status indeed. When I was in HS, typing was "for girls," because "they're going to be secretaries until they get married." Looking back, I wish I'd taken it, though. "Filled with teenage girls" would have been a plus, I admit. Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at June 06, 2022 11:52 AM (txdEq)

In the same vein, it wasn't until I got much older that I figured out that while those of us on the football team were beating our brains out in August 2-a-days, the guys on the swim team and tennis team were hanging out with girls.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at June 06, 2022 11:57 AM (7B5FA)

276 Missouri School of Mines in Rolla, Mo. ???? Yes, but mining is eeeevil now.
Posted by: kraken at June 06, 2022 11:56 AM (Vr12I)
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It's gone through a couple of name changes. It was University of Missouri-Rolla around 1968, then changed to Missouri University of Science & Technology around 2008, I think. We still do a lot of mining engineering, though. It's a dirty job, but pays very, very well.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at June 06, 2022 11:57 AM (YIVH2)

277 Black Orchid -- might want to look at ski pass pricing, too, as it is incredibly expensive in CO nowadays. Worse, incredibly crowded (so I've heard from family). Yeats ago I had family in Vail, and they skied on Thursdays, but then it got too crowded with others wanting to beat the weekend crowd. And they just keep packing people into Denver and the rest of the front range.

No use going to CU if you can't afford the ski pass, and when you do splurge, you only gat a few runs in.

Posted by: Lizzy's phone at June 06, 2022 11:57 AM (AEPuQ)

278
I went to one of those. It's going to be toast within 25 years. Costs are out of control, they grossly overextended on capital outlay (fancy new buildings and facilities), tuition is so high that it can't be justified for what you get, and they can't live long off the endowment.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 06, 2022 11:51 AM (0zQHa)

Same, although mine was in the Midwest. It's doomed, because a lot of people are starting to realize that, and then it snowballs because what kid wants to go to a school that might close during his 4 years?
But I think even some of the state schools are in trouble. At one time, you had specialization - A state teachers' college, a state ag school, maybe a mining school in some states - but now that all of those degrees are available at all of the state schools, why choose one in a dumpy town with inferior facilities?

Posted by: Wally at June 06, 2022 11:57 AM (FJYfm)

279 22 y/o son just returned from visiting relatives in South Africa. Last night there he and his cousin went to a club in Durban, and of course were held at knife point and robbed of their cell phones, cash and dignity. They were fortunate not to have been killed as they were outnumbered 4 to 1.

Son is about 8 credits shy of an Associates Degree but he has not settled into a serious job yet, so now he's back I've tasked him to decide what he wants to do. He's said he wants to attend the Jacksonville, FL police academy. I'm hoping rather that he tries to become a paramedic, but I'll support his decision whatever it is.

I've got to kick the fatherly oversight into high gear for the next few years or the kid is going to be living with his Mom when he's 29.

Posted by: Sharkman at June 06, 2022 11:57 AM (BzWnF)

280 plus maybe he'd get over the "must be near skiing" thing b/c it's kind of dumb
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Hint - its gravity fed.

Posted by: Puddinhead at June 06, 2022 11:57 AM (HTCOy)

281 251 Find the guy who owns the septic tank company that has his name on the side of the trucks.

Follow him home one time.

Septic tank business is literally liquid gold.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 06, 2022 11:52 AM (1n+EO)

They are #1 in the business of #2.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 06, 2022 11:57 AM (N39Ws)

282 Someone really needed to sit her down and explain that certain majors are only for people with $10 million trust funds (art history is another one).
Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 06, 2022 11:22 AM (I2/tG)


Kate Middleton has an Art History degree. Prince William is already married. Choose something else.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic, member - Ashli Babbitt Society at June 06, 2022 11:58 AM (zhLdt)

283 270 I believe engineering could be done as well or better with an apprenticeship system in lieu of college. But there isn't a system in place for it.


well we have looked at some other colleges that do in fact have this (b/c I won't let him go to Drexel jesus the city is dangerous now)

Kettering University is really interesting and basically does this (with some classes but you're in the field Day One)

Posted by: Black Orchid at June 06, 2022 11:58 AM (w0NJk)

284 none of them even bothered to apply. am still trying to help their parents but yeah, they are too good for any normal job and apparently too good for my connections' internships too. which annoys me b/c I wasted some of my good will there to no avail. it's crazy.

Posted by: Black Orchid at June 06, 2022 11:13 AM

I'm afraid it's not a "too good" mentality.

Lots of children have learned that if they don't feel like doing something, they can simply not do it. Either an adult will take care of it, or they'll lose an opportunity. It's all the same to them as long as they get their food and entertainment.

The absolutely weird thing is that I see this with middle-class kids, not kids who've gotten subsidies most of their lives.

Posted by: NaughtyPine at June 06, 2022 11:58 AM (fxCK2)

285 The best decision I made in high school was to take the typing class.
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That's probably true for me too. In my little country school I took all the elective courses available, including typing. This was long before the development of the PC. Little did I know how useful typing would become.

On the topic of success in the trades: The highest earners in my graduating class of 37 kids worked in the building trades. Three of them are now multi-millionare builders/developers. None of them went to college.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at June 06, 2022 11:58 AM (sWM8x)

286 Despite what you may hear, NO ONE wants to keep women out of STEM schools. Women just aren't that interested in attending.

Two words: real estate.

A Catholic university in suburban Portland closed a few years ago. The school's finances weren't so hot, but the school was in a wealthy suburb, and the land that the university sat on is worth an incredible amount of money.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 06, 2022 11:58 AM (I2/tG)

287
My kids (like me) don’t know one end of a hammer from another. So be a plumber doesn’t quite work out for them. And as glamorous as it sounds I’m not sure they would want to spend 8 hours a day in other peoples toilets. And yes I know plumbing is more than that. But it also is that.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 06, 2022 11:27 AM (3vQN0)


You're kind of making the point that plumbing is lucrative. Lots of folks out there who are too squeamish or too lazy to do simple plumbing jobs, which means lots of work for people who don't have their nose firmly and snootily planted in the air.

Which is funny, because yootoob instruction videos mean that virtually ANYONE can do these simple jobs, which wasn't the case even 20 years ago.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 06, 2022 11:58 AM (n+4am)

288 yeah, I don't buy it either because I WORK HERE and I can see just how many minorities and women professors we have. It's a lot.

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We're 52% of the population and we deserve to be treated as such!
- Black people, 88% with high school diplomas and 30% or so with college degrees

Posted by: Moron Robbie - witness the Amber Heard presidency at June 06, 2022 11:58 AM (nK76A)

289 I have a friend who is a ditch digger and he has several properties, a fully outfitted 62' Viking fishing boat with crew, a Helicopter and a 12 million dollar P-24. I think the fancy word for "ditch digging" is excavation.

Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at June 06, 2022 11:58 AM (flINI)

290 125
I saw Brandon S. on Tim Pool and I agree with you.
If you're a non-democrat in this country, you're living in a police state.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at June 06, 2022 11:58 AM (vNbzm)

291 Posted by: Lizzy's phone at June 06, 2022 11:57 AM (AEPuQ)

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Ski passes to Stowe are thousands of dollars, but UVM students can get them for <$500, iirc.

Posted by: 496 at June 06, 2022 11:58 AM (VJsqe)

292 All those failed small colleges will have to be repurposed after they fail and close.

Posted by: kraken at June 06, 2022 11:59 AM (Vr12I)

293 Mrs. Wolfus No. 2 solved that problem by wearing bras that unhooked in front.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at June 06, 2022 11:56 AM (txdEq)

Bra-less ones were easier, but they weren't that prized.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at June 06, 2022 11:59 AM (7bRMQ)

294 I learned from her that it was better to date in my own circles. And also to be careful around women that drank lots of bourbon.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at June 06, 2022 11:55 AM (66TLh)

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Once they do brown, you'll never get down.

Posted by: SloPitch Whiffer at June 06, 2022 11:59 AM (+R5dc)

295 292 All those failed small colleges will have to be repurposed after they fail and close.
Posted by: kraken at June 06, 2022 11:59 AM (Vr12I)

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Insane asylums.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi at June 06, 2022 11:59 AM (LvTSG)

296 @264 ok. I just meant that 1984 is I believe the only Olys that the US took the mist golds in the Alpine. Usually its Austria or Italy or some other small mountainous european country.

Posted by: Rex B at June 06, 2022 12:00 PM (KP7aq)

297 I loved it so much BUT he's worried it's so small. Imma keep pushing it tho. from THERE you WILL get a good job after grad!
Posted by: Black Orchid at June 06, 2022 11:49 AM (w0NJk)

Suggest you tell him it's skiing or college, not both. skiing is just another party activity, that steals away study time. Have him go to a school far from the ski slopes, and maybe he can get in a couple of ski trips during natural break periods at school.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 06, 2022 12:00 PM (El0oR)

298 This busty, freckled blonde in shorts didn't go to college:
https://is.gd/JvUBD4

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 06, 2022 12:00 PM (0zQHa)

299 Will it affect McCarthy's hold on the Republican caucus to the point that he would lose his Speaker bid if he won his own re-election campaign in the face of Trump's endorsement of his opponent?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi at June 06, 2022 11:56 AM (LvTSG)

This is where we may disagree but I say no. And this is where you say, "Yes, so it's better to stay on his good side." To which I say, why? McCarthy will only deliver more of the same. That's it and that's all.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at June 06, 2022 12:00 PM (KbCG3)

300 Find the guy who owns the septic tank company that has his name on the side of the trucks.

Follow him home one time.

Septic tank business is literally liquid gold.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 06, 2022 11:52 AM (1n+EO)

Years ago there was a guy in town w/a homemade rig...had "Money" spraypainted on the tank.

Posted by: BignJames at June 06, 2022 12:00 PM (AwYPR)

301 I can see myself back then, buying a well-kept used car, moving into a nice apartment, dating a number of girls. I might not have made the same mistakes I made with my 2 marriages. (Prob. a totally different set of mistakes, though.)
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at June 06, 2022 11:20 AM (txdEq)

Your car: 2 year old 318i
Your clothes: Izod, Calvins, and Serengeti driving glasses.
Your Date: Farrah knock-off with too much blue eye shadow.

Livin the dream.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 06, 2022 12:01 PM (MFphb)

302 Mrs. Wolfus No. 2 solved that problem by wearing bras that unhooked in front.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at June 06, 2022
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Bra-less ones were easier, but they weren't that prized.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at June 06, 2022


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La Sociopath, as I call her, was known to practice that on occasion too.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at June 06, 2022 12:01 PM (txdEq)

303 Professor, my son... he loves rocks. Always has. his room is a little museum of them.

loves skiing, and rocks!

Black Orchid -- might want to look at ski pass pricing, too, as it is incredibly expensive in CO nowadays. Worse, incredibly crowded (so I've heard from family). Yeats ago I had family in Vail, and they skied on Thursdays, but then it got too crowded with others wanting to beat the weekend crowd. And they just keep packing people into Denver and the rest of the front range.

No use going to CU if you can't afford the ski pass, and when you do splurge, you only gat a few runs in.


this is good info to have we have the Indy pass here which is GREAT but I never thought about what the passes are like out there. everything seems more expensive in CO tbh that's why i was semi-pushing for Utah but maybe that's no better.

Posted by: Black Orchid at June 06, 2022 12:01 PM (w0NJk)

304 degrees don’t matter for Wall St. grades and quality of school is what matters. 3.7 gpa in bullshit studies from Brown or Colby is worth more than a 3.3 gpa in electrical engineering from south Northwest Eastern State U.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 06, 2022 12:01 PM (3vQN0)

305
It's a peer institution to Colorado School of Mines, located in the Ozarks, about halfway between Springfield and St. Louis...As long as I've been here (almost 30 years), the ratio of males to females has fluctuated between 3-to-1 and 4-to-1

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at June 06, 2022 11:52 AM


do they still have the big St.Patrick's day celebration?

when my brother went there in the late 80's, the ratio was well over 5:1

Posted by: AltonJackson at June 06, 2022 12:01 PM (ENBF0)

306 Didn't see this mentioned, but lumping in trade schools and tech colleges seems like a cheat. I believe more people are opting fir this route, so the number for 4yr university decline is probably even higher.

Posted by: Grudge Harbor at June 06, 2022 12:01 PM (wBpKf)

307 299 This is where we may disagree but I say no. And this is where you say, "Yes, so it's better to stay on his good side." To which I say, why? McCarthy will only deliver more of the same. That's it and that's all.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at June 06, 2022 12:00 PM (KbCG3)

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More of the same including refusing to appoint members to the 1/6 committee, promising the toss certain Democrats off of committees when he's in charge? Essentially begging to be taken as MAGA friendly for months now?

He's a spineless worm. He goes where there is no pain, that doesn't mean he's a big warrior for the liberal polities of the establishment.

He's not a good guy. He's a worm. He's not McConnell, though.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi at June 06, 2022 12:02 PM (LvTSG)

308 degrees don’t matter for Wall St. grades and quality of school is what matters. 3.7 gpa in bullshit studies from Brown or Colby is worth more than a 3.3 gpa in electrical engineering from south Northwest Eastern State U.
Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 06, 2022 12:01 PM (3vQN0)
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In my experience, GPA only matters for grad school. For employment, it's "Degree: Yes or No"

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 06, 2022 12:02 PM (0zQHa)

309 "I have a friend who is a ditch digger and he has several properties, a fully outfitted 62' Viking fishing boat with crew, a Helicopter and a 12 million dollar P-24"

Sounds like 'Heavy D'

Watch some of his videos about dragging broke equipment out of where it got stuck

Then realize that he flies his own helo, for fun.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 06, 2022 12:02 PM (1n+EO)

310 296 @264 ok. I just meant that 1984 is I believe the only Olys that the US took the mist golds in the Alpine. Usually its Austria or Italy or some other small mountainous european country.
Posted by: Rex B at June 06, 2022 12:00 PM (KP7aq)
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Yep, also Sweden back then (Ingmar Stenmark). The Mahre brothers were my heroes growing up racing in the 70's & 80's.

I also really had a thing for Tamara McKinney. 2 hubbas.

Posted by: 496 at June 06, 2022 12:02 PM (VJsqe)

311 Bet the change also increased the F/M ratio.

Interesting that while high school, with compulsory ed, is dominated on the F side by mean girls club, college is dominated by woke girlz club. The breeding ground for "suburban wimmenz" and those nasty authoritarian school boards.

Posted by: Uvalde citizens at June 06, 2022 12:02 PM (KiBMU)

312 DENVER (KDVR) — A report out from Forbes on Monday showed that Rob Walton, an heir to the Walmart fortune, will win the bid to buy the Denver Broncos for about $4.5 billion.

Posted by: DB at June 06, 2022 12:02 PM (geLO8)

313 Your car: 2 year old 318i
Your clothes: Izod, Calvins, and Serengeti driving glasses.
Your Date: Farrah knock-off with too much blue eye shadow.

Livin the dream.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 06, 2022


***
You pretty much got it. Though BMWs were not well known around here in the '70s yet. Maybe I'd have landed a first-gen Monte Carlo or a Chevelle. And I've always preferred fair-skinned girls with black hair. But the general outline, you got it.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at June 06, 2022 12:03 PM (txdEq)

314 Great post up top and I fully endorse the Throckmorton plan of starving the beast.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at June 06, 2022 12:03 PM (537E3)

315 292 All those failed small colleges will have to be repurposed after they fail and close.
Posted by: kraken at June 06, 2022 11:59 AM (Vr12I)

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Insane asylums.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi at June 06, 2022 11:59 AM (LvTSG)


Who'll know the difference after the transition?

Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 06, 2022 12:04 PM (MFphb)

316 Breaking news! It's the Republicans fault that San Francisco is a shit hole!

Justin Miller
@justinjm1
San Francisco, governed by Republicans for most of the 20th century, doesn't rest on a New Deal foundation and increasingly lacks a working-class population to bolster progressive candidates
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, That's AnonosaurX WrX, hater! at June 06, 2022 11:12 AM (FVME7)



Barely. The last republican mayor left office in 1964.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at June 06, 2022 12:04 PM (yQpMk)

317 But I think even some of the state schools are in trouble. At one time, you had specialization - A state teachers' college, a state ag school, maybe a mining school in some states - but now that all of those degrees are available at all of the state schools, why choose one in a dumpy town with inferior facilities?
Posted by: Wally at June 06, 2022 11:57 AM (FJYfm)

The biggest problem for schools is that, now that degrees are mostly generic, and anyone can get a degree online as good as any they can get from in-person instruction (University of Phoenix, etc.) where is the extra value in attending a hugely expensive 4 year residential school? Oh it's a lot of drunken fun and you'll meet some good friends, but how many hundreds of thousands of dollars is that worth?

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 06, 2022 12:04 PM (q3gwH)

318 Post MoMe nic change, ah Oregon Muse...I still miss him

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at June 06, 2022 12:05 PM (V6f9+)

319 316 Barely. The last republican mayor left office in 1964.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at June 06, 2022 12:04 PM (yQpMk)

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America will never rid itself of its racist past and legacy until everyone who's not a Marxist is dead.

Old age isn't going fast enough, and misinformation is hindering things further.

More drastic measures must be taken.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi at June 06, 2022 12:05 PM (LvTSG)

320 Insane asylums.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi at June 06, 2022 11:59 AM (LvTSG)


Who'll know the difference after the transition?


lol yeah just go to Bryn Mawr put up some fencing and lock em up

done

Posted by: Black Orchid at June 06, 2022 12:05 PM (w0NJk)

321 LIZZY if you see this, try posting from your wifi.

Posted by: ... at June 06, 2022 12:05 PM (W8FGt)

322 Septic tank business is literally liquid gold.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 06, 2022 11:52 AM (1n+EO)
***

I've met the guy who has about 80% of the market share for Porta-Potties on the West Coast. He got into the business by accident. Does a hell of a job hiring Vets too.
He flys his own Lear Jet.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 06, 2022 12:05 PM (anj39)

323 n my experience, GPA only matters for grad school. For employment, it's "Degree: Yes or No"
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 06, 2022 12:02 PM (0zQHa)

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When I was in college for the top tier companies like Goldman, McKinsey, Bain, etc gpa is pretty much all that mattered. And those companies only recruit and hire from a handful of colleges.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 06, 2022 12:05 PM (3vQN0)

324
All those failed small colleges will have to be repurposed after they fail and close.
Posted by: kraken at June 06, 2022 11:59 AM (Vr12I)

Insane asylums.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi at June 06, 2022 11:59 AM (LvTSG)


The conversion process will be cheap, just put up a fence. They're even pre-supplied with patients.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 06, 2022 12:05 PM (n+4am)

325 I believe engineering could be done as well or better with an apprenticeship system in lieu of college. But there isn't a system in place for it.

Posted by: banana Dream at June 06, 2022 11:56 AM (VOewj)

Possibly. I think the engineering system in place tends to weed out of a lot of the non-hackers in the group, thereby ensuring a certain level of competence intended for professions where failures have the potential to wreak large scale destruction.

You put that out into an operation work-force, and you may get more errors that could have been prevented earlier in the pipeline, where the stakes are not as high.

Posted by: flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at June 06, 2022 12:05 PM (nByzo)

326 I suggested to my son that the important thing to do in a class is 'Start Strong' which was recommended here this past weekend. His response was I was a retard. That what teachers want is to see improvement under they're care. So he recommends starting slow and then improving will impress the teacher rather than starting strong and waning. He might have a point. His other comment was that all the kids that studied hard in HS are now working shit jobs and he's finishing his senior year. Go figure.

Posted by: Puddinhead at June 06, 2022 12:05 PM (HTCOy)

327 "It means that the Marxists in charge of our colleges will have to decide which radical administrators to let go due to budget cuts."

HAHAHAHAHAhahahaaaa

I love your optimism.

What they will ~actually~ do is hire a couple of "vice presidents of student recruitment and retention" at twice what the highest paid faculty makes, fire as many lower staff as they can get away with (making it harder for everyone to get paperwork done), and buy some $30,000/year off-the-shelf software program to assist, which will end up taking twice as many man-hours to use as the system it replaces.

Posted by: FeatherBlade at June 06, 2022 12:05 PM (MSHMi)

328 You pretty much got it. Though BMWs were not well known around here in the '70s yet. Maybe I'd have landed a first-gen Monte Carlo or a Chevelle. And I've always preferred fair-skinned girls with black hair. But the general outline, you got it.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at June 06, 2022 12:03 PM (txdEq)

You must be a geezer. I was picturing late 70's early 80's.
By that time GM was shit and ugly too.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 06, 2022 12:05 PM (MFphb)

329 Republican politicians thinking the Red Wave they hope to see in the fall allows them to safely push through gun laws now should read this article from JJS Morning Report links.

Republican candidates are in trouble in elections they should be easily winning.

https://tinyurl.com/ytbmrp3r

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at June 06, 2022 12:06 PM (537E3)

330 324 The conversion process will be cheap, just put up a fence. They're even pre-supplied with patients.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 06, 2022 12:05 PM (n+4am)

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The administrators caught behind the fence won't even realize the difference. In fact, they'll probably be happier since they'll be cut off from the outside world, freed from any bad thought.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi at June 06, 2022 12:06 PM (LvTSG)

331 Even STEM is questionable. I spent 5 years getting a degree in Electrical Engineering and have never used anything from a single class with the exception of the boolean logic course.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at June 06, 2022 12:06 PM (lUzJ7)

332 Work is tedious. I think I am going to play hooky and go to the range.

Posted by: blaster at June 06, 2022 12:06 PM (9otr5)

333 Would Ron DeSantis endorse McCarthy? I think not.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at June 06, 2022 12:06 PM (fmt/2)

334 LOL about San Fran! San Fran doesn't have a "working class population" because they ran them all off long ago, way before any of the other cities trying to do so managed. San Fran has been the template for destruction for several decades.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 06, 2022 12:06 PM (q3gwH)

335 317

U of Phoenix is a joke and nobody takes it seriously.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 06, 2022 12:06 PM (3vQN0)

336 Off topic, but notice that the school shootings never happen in the failed 'hood schools of Compton, south Philly, DC, Baltimore, south Chicago?

Guns everywhere in these locales, but no alienated narcissistic boys wanting to go in and gun down a couple dozen of their peers.

Could it be that while fatherless and with their mommas not giving a shit about anything, these boys find league and community with their gangs, and thus feel connected?

Posted by: Uvalde citizens at June 06, 2022 12:07 PM (KiBMU)

337 When I was in college for the top tier companies like Goldman, McKinsey, Bain, etc gpa is pretty much all that mattered. And those companies only recruit and hire from a handful of colleges.
Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 06, 2022 12:05 PM (3vQN0)
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Ah, so they use a GPA filter for their preferred recruitment institutions. That was not my non-Wall-Street experience.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 06, 2022 12:07 PM (0zQHa)

338 326 I suggested to my son that the important thing to do in a class is 'Start Strong' which was recommended here this past weekend. His response was I was a retard. That what teachers want is to see improvement under they're care.

once had a teacher threaten to give me a c because i had aced every test he had given me and, consequently, had not shown improvement.

Posted by: kulak anachronda at June 06, 2022 12:07 PM (sGtp+)

339 When I went to college for engineering...job prospects were bleek.

Engineer Joke of The Day so far, but early in the thread.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at June 06, 2022 12:07 PM (videA)

340 Find the guy who owns the septic tank company that has his name on the side of the trucks.

Follow him home one time.

Septic tank business is literally liquid gold.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice


Winston Rothschild - Sewage & Septic Sucking Services

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 06, 2022 12:08 PM (c8pZY)

341 You pretty much got it. Though BMWs were not well known around here in the '70s yet. Maybe I'd have landed a first-gen Monte Carlo or a Chevelle. And I've always preferred fair-skinned girls with black hair. But the general outline, you got it.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at June 06, 2022
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You must be a geezer. I was picturing late 70's early 80's.
By that time GM was shit and ugly too.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 06, 2022


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Early '80s, sure. I'd have been coming out of college in '76 or so. The Monte Carlo or Chevelle I picture would have been from the early '70s.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at June 06, 2022 12:08 PM (txdEq)

342 this is good info to have we have the Indy pass here which is GREAT but I never thought about what the passes are like out there. everything seems more expensive in CO tbh that's why i was semi-pushing for Utah but maybe that's no better.
Posted by: Black Orchid at June 06, 2022 12:01 PM (w0NJk)
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We have a pretty good geology/geological engineering program here. Also, there's a field camp in the summer that goes to Utah...Not much skiing around here though. But lots of pretty rocks!

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at June 06, 2022 12:08 PM (YIVH2)

343 All those failed small colleges will have to be repurposed after they fail and close.

I used to live about 2 houses down from the Goucher College property line (alma mater of Jonah "Paolo's #1 customer" Goldberg). A significant amount of their property is undeveloped (lots of trees) and it's in a pretty desirable location, so the land would be worth a ton if they failed.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 06, 2022 12:08 PM (ZGrMX)

344 When NYS dropped the tax BS, I figured it was because Trump made The Deal.
White kids skipping college is a feature, not a bug. They will be replaced with whatever is handy.

Posted by: Jamaica NYC at June 06, 2022 12:09 PM (pf+DM)

345 Aerospace companies often get so many applications for entry level positions that they do screen for grades and whether you had an internship or co-op and what orgs you were in. But after entry level no one cares except elitist a-holes which there always a few but otherwise it's all work experience that matters. At higher levels big companies are getting very desperate because there are fewer and fewer engineers left.

Posted by: banana Dream at June 06, 2022 12:09 PM (VOewj)

346 I used to live about 2 houses down from the Goucher College property line (alma mater of Jonah "Paolo's #1 customer" Goldberg). A significant amount of their property is undeveloped (lots of trees) and it's in a pretty desirable location, so the land would be worth a ton if they failed.
Posted by: Ian S. at June 06, 2022 12:08 PM (ZGrMX)
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Bankruptcy auctions will determine the value, when the time comes.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 06, 2022 12:09 PM (0zQHa)

347 298 This busty, freckled blonde in shorts didn't go to college:
https://is.gd/JvUBD4
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 06, 2022 12:00 PM (0zQHa)

Made her fortune as a 'massage therapist'?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at June 06, 2022 12:09 PM (V6f9+)

348 The Mahre brothers were my heroes growing up racing in the 70's & 80's.

I also really had a thing for Tamara McKinney. 2 hubbas.

Grew up racing? Nice. Had a friend that was on the Ski Team in the late ‘80s. He dropped out but always talked shit about Tommy Moe.

Posted by: Rex B at June 06, 2022 12:10 PM (KP7aq)

349 "It means that the Marxists in charge of our colleges will have to decide which radical administrators to let go due to budget cuts."

No, it doesn't. It means that as tenured faculty retire they will be replaced by adjuncts, that programs will be dropped, that low-level administrative staff will be cut, that physical plant expenditures will be cut.

Once an administrator position is created, it is *never* cut.

Posted by: Simon Jester at June 06, 2022 12:10 PM (BSu3l)

350
once had a teacher threaten to give me a c because i had aced every test he had given me and, consequently, had not shown improvement.
Posted by: kulak anachronda at June 06, 2022 12:07 PM (sGtp+)


Then he's a shitty teacher for starting you off with work that was too easy, leaving you no room to improve.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 06, 2022 12:10 PM (n+4am)

351 The main thing I learned in College was that I didn't want to be there. I've been self employed for over 29 years now.

Posted by: fd at June 06, 2022 12:10 PM (vrz2I)

352 Made her fortune as a 'massage therapist'?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at June 06, 2022 12:09 PM (V6f9+)

***

Selling Baby Milk from her Baby Milk plants

Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at June 06, 2022 12:10 PM (flINI)

353 wtf, I have a life today?
Wife telling me I've got to get ready.
So I'm off to either get dressed or undressed.
That last one might be a joke.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 06, 2022 12:11 PM (MFphb)

354 "I used to live about 2 houses down from the Goucher College property line "

Mrs VIA has oft times muttered the phrase 'F'n Goucher Bull Dykes' under her breath.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 06, 2022 12:11 PM (1n+EO)

355 I think the fancy word for "ditch digging" is excavation.
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I once talked with the owner of a very successful excavation company as his employees prepared the site for a new building. "I like dirt," he said. "Dirt has been good to me."

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at June 06, 2022 12:11 PM (sWM8x)

356 do they still have the big St.Patrick's day celebration?

when my brother went there in the late 80's, the ratio was well over 5:1
Posted by: AltonJackson at June 06, 2022 12:01 PM (ENBF0)
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Yep! St. Pat's is still going strong! It's always The Best Ever(TM)!

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at June 06, 2022 12:12 PM (YIVH2)

357 > It means that the Marxists in charge of our colleges will have to decide which radical administrators to let go due to budget cuts.

They'll fire the STEM teachers.

Posted by: ArthurK at June 06, 2022 12:12 PM (zBwIl)

358 The urban kids shoot each other away from school. Inside school, they beat each other.

Posted by: Jamaica NYC at June 06, 2022 12:12 PM (pf+DM)

359 All those failed small colleges will have to be repurposed after they fail and close.
Posted by: kraken at June 06, 2022 11:59 AM (Vr12I)


This is true of the University where I don't teach anymore. Small school. Shitty neighborhood. Declining enrollments and expensive. They went woke years ago and it led to the first round of RIFs. The parents were pissed at what they wanted all male freshment to do. (No details here)
Today, the Business School, where I used to teach, is 12 full time profs and 4 P/T. Three years ago it was 28 F/T and 7 P/T.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 06, 2022 12:12 PM (anj39)

360 once had a teacher threaten to give me a c because i had aced every test he had given me and, consequently, had not shown improvement.
Posted by: kulak anachronda at June 06, 2022 12:07 PM

That is bizarre to me.

My biggest problem is the "weak starters" who are in danger of failing because they think they're miraculously going to improve their grade. My subject area is cumulative, so it's rather like trying to do algebra without knowing multiplication or division.

Posted by: NaughtyPine at June 06, 2022 12:12 PM (fxCK2)

361 We have the same problem with Universities now that England had with Monasteries in the 1400's and 1500's. There are way too many, they absorb a huge amount of the productive energy of the country, and they have become a huge and wealthy vested interest resistant to any changes whatsoever. (At the beginning of the 1500's, the monasteries controlled 1/3 of all of the farmable land in England) How to solve this intractable problem? Henry VIII's Dissolution of the Monasteries Law was their answer. It was hugely disruptive and brought about a great deal of death and destruction, but it also worked.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 06, 2022 12:12 PM (q3gwH)

362 Another STEM gem is Rose-Hulman, in Indiana. When my ex-wife worked in HR at NASA, she said a Rose-Hulman resume always gets a second look, even during a hiring freeze (which is surprisingly common there).
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at June 06, 2022 11:52 AM (7B5FA)


The company I work for sends recruiters to Rose-Hulman.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at June 06, 2022 12:12 PM (YQ4mh)

363 Barely. The last republican mayor left office in 1964.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at June 06, 2022 12:04 PM (yQpMk)



And actually, they didn't have a Republican mayor in the 20th Century until 1912. So yeah, most of the 20th Century, by 2 years, 52/48.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at June 06, 2022 12:13 PM (yQpMk)

364 Justin Miller
@justinjm1
San Francisco, governed by Republicans for most of the 20th century, doesn't rest on a New Deal foundation and increasingly lacks a working-class population to bolster progressive candidates
__________

LOL, we've been in the 21st century for well over two decades now, and the last year a Republican was mayor of SF was in 1964, three generations and almost 60 years ago.

But nice try, douchebag. SF is a shit-hole because of idiotic Dim leadership, and everybody knows it.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--FJB at June 06, 2022 12:13 PM (MvHI3)

365
Just wait until the Executive Order mandating all companies set aside 40% of their workforce for "Studies" graduates.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 06, 2022 12:13 PM (n+4am)

366 Possibly. I think the engineering system in place tends to weed out of a lot of the non-hackers in the group, thereby ensuring a certain level of competence intended for professions where failures have the potential to wreak large scale destruction.
You put that out into an operation work-force, and you may get more errors that could have been prevented earlier in the pipeline, where the stakes are not as high. Posted by: flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at June 06, 2022 12:05 PM (nByzo)

It's generally a good idea for engineers to be able to do math. Physics is kind of useful too, in order to get to statics and dynamics. Those are college subjects you can't get by OJT. But I think it's very common for engineering students to take off a semester or a year to do internships -- I know that two of my four engineer kids did.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at June 06, 2022 12:13 PM (7B5FA)

367
My kid isn't college age yet. I have see any number of accounts of people's offspring going off to to college and returning during break transformed into leftist pod people that they no longer recognize.

I am trying to figure out what to do. The kid is intelligent, accomplished, and has strong character. But I already seeing leftist viewpoints creeping in at the high school level.

Does college matter anymore unless one wants to be a certified apparatchik? Let this rotten bloated system collapse. There us actual education, and then there's whatever is happening in colleges now.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at June 06, 2022 12:14 PM (N8nUc)

368 Kolleges today are simply an extension of the democrat party and launder the cash needed to keep the democrats in power.

Education and the students are simply window dressing.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 06, 2022 12:14 PM (RQN3O)

369 The world needs ditch diggers, too.
Posted by: Judge Smails at June 06, 2022 11:29 AM (nByzo)


Back during the period between leaving the Navy and starting college, I worked as a maintenance mechanic for a Coke bottler.

One of my co-workers, Hispanic guy, talked about how smart his daughter was, good grade, interested in computers but they just couldn't afford one. I told him that 1 fewer six pack per weekend and he could buy her one within a year. He said - that ain't happening. I said - well, the world needs maids too.

For some reason he got offended by that.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic, member - Ashli Babbitt Society at June 06, 2022 12:14 PM (zhLdt)

370 And actually, they didn't have a Republican mayor in the 20th Century until 1912. So yeah, most of the 20th Century, by 2 years, 52/48.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at June 06, 2022 12:13 PM (yQpMk)

They're unending adherence to absolute truth is admirable.

Posted by: ... at June 06, 2022 12:14 PM (GHasD)

371 Not going to technical school is alarming.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at June 06, 2022 12:14 PM (TimFr)

372 once had a teacher threaten to give me a c because i had aced every test he had given me and, consequently, had not shown improvement.
Posted by: kulak anachronda at June 06, 2022 12:07 PM (sGtp+)

Had a kid come to class on the first day, for each exam, and the final. He aced them all. He go a 95...I docked him 5% for non-participaton in class.
L'il bastard.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 06, 2022 12:15 PM (anj39)

373 My kid isn't college age yet. I have see any number of accounts of people's offspring going off to to college and returning during break transformed into leftist pod people that they no longer recognize. ...
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at June 06, 2022 12:14 PM (N8nUc)
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It's a huge risk.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 06, 2022 12:15 PM (0zQHa)

374 Republican candidates are in trouble in elections they should be easily winning.
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No they aren't. That article has a bad logical fallacy.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at June 06, 2022 12:15 PM (JXXJD)

375 My son will be heading to college to finish up two years after community college. Hopefullly he got through the most horrible "woke" courses-although I don't think they were that bad-at CC-and the school's going to have a practical internships related to his field-agricultural studies.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 06, 2022 12:16 PM (l7p9i)

376 348 The Mahre brothers were my heroes growing up racing in the 70's & 80's.

I also really had a thing for Tamara McKinney. 2 hubbas.

Grew up racing? Nice. Had a friend that was on the Ski Team in the late ‘80s. He dropped out but always talked shit about Tommy Moe.
Posted by: Rex B at June 06, 2022 12:10 PM (KP7aq)

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I never was close to the US Team. I raced for my college (NCAA Div1) for 1 year then blew my knee out.

If I hadn't blown my knee out, I still never would've sniffed anything close to the US team.

Posted by: 496 at June 06, 2022 12:16 PM (VJsqe)

377 Septic tank business is literally liquid gold.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 06, 2022 11:52 AM (1n+EO)

They are #1 in the business of #2.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 06, 2022 11:57 AM (N39Ws)
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Your sh*t is our bread and butter.

Posted by: WisRich at June 06, 2022 12:16 PM (G0vdT)

378 For many, if not most, college is a huge waste of time. At least 4 years. A 2 year trade school would be better

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 06, 2022 12:16 PM (d0Qel)

379 Ah, so they use a GPA filter for their preferred recruitment institutions. That was not my non-Wall-Street experience.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 06, 2022 12:07 PM (0zQHa)

Unofficially it was under 3.5 don’t waste your time.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 06, 2022 12:16 PM (3vQN0)

380 The best business education would be taking the money you would spend on a business degree and start a business.

If your business fails you still have the benefit of the lessons from the experience and if it succeeds you have a business.

Posted by: Minuteman at June 06, 2022 12:16 PM (LaNzR)

381 And actually, they didn't have a Republican mayor in the 20th Century until 1912. So yeah, most of the 20th Century, by 2 years, 52/48.

SF DA Chesa Boudin is going to get voted out of office in a landslide tomorrow, so they are already explaining that this is a one-off, not nationwide revulsion against Soros prosecutors.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 06, 2022 12:17 PM (I2/tG)

382 371 Not going to technical school is alarming.

When the average HS graduate thinks the US is bordered by Colorado and Massachusetts I'm kind of glad they've decided to take a different career path.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at June 06, 2022 12:17 PM (fmt/2)

383 And it's anyone wants to complain, it's a waste of time please free to offer him a job at your farm or nursery.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 06, 2022 12:17 PM (l7p9i)

384 If I had to do it all over? I definitely would have learned a trade. Welding, heavy equipment operator, something along those lines.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 06, 2022 12:17 PM (c8pZY)

385 The Mahre brothers were my heroes growing up racing in the 70's & 80's.


Saw then up at Crystal Mountain one day. I was going like a bat outta hell and they literally blew by me. And they were talking to each other whle doing it and making it look effortless.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 06, 2022 12:18 PM (anj39)

386 Had a kid come to class on the first day, for each exam, and the final. He aced them all. He go a 95...I docked him 5% for non-participaton in class.
L'il bastard.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 06, 2022 12:15 PM (anj39)

I had a differential equations professor that would give 6-10 question quizzes and exams and would hand them out stating, "if you get two, you are doing well."

He's the professor whose class I worked hardest at to get an A.

Posted by: flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at June 06, 2022 12:18 PM (nByzo)

387 Kid out three weeks, hasn't looked for a job, not sure about college. But that's just anecdotal.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at June 06, 2022 11:30 AM (7bRMQ)


Oldest got out of HS and "attended" community college but mostly played video games. Wife wouldn't go hardcore and kick him out so there we were.

Then the girl that he met playing those games moved from California to Texas to light a fire under his ass. They got married last month, both work for the same company and have a friendly competition about who will get into management first.

Life happens.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic, member - Ashli Babbitt Society at June 06, 2022 12:18 PM (zhLdt)

388 (At the beginning of the 1500's, the monasteries controlled 1/3 of all of the farmable land in England) How to solve this intractable problem? Henry VIII's Dissolution of the Monasteries Law was their answer. It was hugely disruptive and brought about a great deal of death and destruction, but it also worked.

Unfortunately for the average rural or even townie subject of the dissolute, rage-aholic monarch...the monasteries provided a de facto welfare system. So when the criminal monarchists dissolved the monasteries, *poof* went free health care and food pantries.

This had excruciatingly painful follow-on effects down through the centuries.

Posted by: kallisto at June 06, 2022 12:19 PM (DJFLF)

389 My last kid just graduated high school and is trying to figure out if she even wants to go to college. I am encouraging a gap year to do a little real worlding before any more schooling.

Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at June 06, 2022 12:19 PM (flINI)

390 What did a college grad with a computer programming degree (not Computer Science, I probably couldn't have handled the math) earn, on average, out of school in 1975?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at June 06, 2022 12:19 PM (txdEq)

391 Buck, agree 100% with the idea of delaying entry into college. My daughter worked for a year and banked enough money to pay her own way through at least a 2-year associates degree. She's more attentive to her studies because it's her money at stake.

I told my younger sons to at least look at apprenticeship opportunities, and discussed the process with a local plumbing company. If one of them decides to apprentice for 2-3 years, gets paid for their work, and then decides to go a different way, no loan debt, no foul -- and they know how to handle plumbing work when they become homeowners. Win-win in my book.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at June 06, 2022 12:19 PM (v23vE)

392 Little did I know how useful typing would become.

Going to high school in the late seventies/early eighties, I had a good idea that typing would be useful; I didn’t have the experience to realize how useful.

I can’t imagine programmers working in the zone without the ability to dump code almost straight into the computer. Typing isn’t quite a cyberpunk implant, but it’s damn close.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at June 06, 2022 12:19 PM (U+Oxn)

393 The skills I acquired in college had almost nothing to do with college.

Posted by: ... at June 06, 2022 12:19 PM (yy25D)

394 Whoopie ! More solar panels.. Thanks Joe I'm gonna hook up my car right now !.... Oh.. wait...

Posted by: It's me donna at June 06, 2022 12:19 PM (bs+z0)

395 Not going to technical school is alarming.


Got the specs for that?

Posted by: Diogenes at June 06, 2022 12:20 PM (anj39)

396 the school's going to have a practical internships related to his field-agricultural studies.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 06, 2022 12:16 PM


One of the great things about agricultural studies is that they cows are out standing in their fields.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 06, 2022 12:20 PM (a3Q+t)

397 Fenelon how are you feeling sweetie?

Posted by: ... at June 06, 2022 12:20 PM (yy25D)

398 My son will be heading to college to finish up two years after community college. Hopefullly he got through the most horrible "woke" courses-although I don't think they were that bad-at CC-and the school's going to have a practical internships related to his field-agricultural studies.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 06, 2022 12:16 PM (l7p9i)

I think this is the best route to take, based mainly on the maturity of the student body. There are a lot of returning adult students in CCs.

Posted by: flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at June 06, 2022 12:20 PM (nByzo)

399 One of the great things about agricultural studies is that they cows are out standing in their fields.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 06, 2022 12:20 PM (a3Q+t)

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That was corny

Posted by: 496 at June 06, 2022 12:20 PM (VJsqe)

400 One of the great things about agricultural studies is that they cows are out standing in their fields.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 06, 2022


***
Milking their experience for all they can get

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at June 06, 2022 12:21 PM (txdEq)

401 If I hadn't blown my knee out, I still never would've sniffed anything close to the US team.
Posted by: 496

You had a worthwhile dream. Fwiw, I rarely ever skied and really cant imagine an all out downhill run.

Posted by: Rex B at June 06, 2022 12:21 PM (KP7aq)

402 I have a friend who almost but didn’t quite make the us team for freestyle. I’m a damn good skier, expert level I’ll go down anything, trees, moguls, off piste you name it. But he does it so effortlessly it’s insane. I’ll ski with him and just watch him with awe. And he still wasn’t good enough to be on the ski team.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 06, 2022 12:21 PM (3vQN0)

403 Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 06, 2022 12:17 PM (I2/tG)

I will pray for his removal, but how do we know there are not going to be shenanigans in which the recall allows him to stay in?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 06, 2022 12:21 PM (l7p9i)

404 @381

>>SF DA Chesa Boudin is going to get voted out of office in a landslide tomorrow...

I'll believe it when I see it.

Allegedly, Newsome's recall was driven by Hispanics angry at the lock downs, Newsome won the recall in a landslide even bigger than his general victory, and got the same percentage of Hispanics.

We know Cali elections are rigged but Newsome winning in a landslide is inexplicable even accounting for the rigging.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 06, 2022 12:21 PM (bNMvK)

405 I encourage every kid that doesn't want to go to college, or who just isn't ready, but is otherwise healthy, to look at the military. Yes, even in today's climate for the military. It is a great place to mature, find skills, get benefits, and in many cases, get a security clearance that can be worth thousands later in a civilian job.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 06, 2022 12:22 PM (anj39)

406 What did a college grad with a computer programming degree (not Computer Science, I probably couldn't have handled the math) earn, on average, out of school in 1975?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at June 06, 2022 12:19 PM


Around $14K, IIRC.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 06, 2022 12:22 PM (a3Q+t)

407 One of the great things about agricultural studies is that they cows are out standing in their fields.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 06, 2022

***
Milking their experience for all they can get
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at June 06, 2022 12:21 PM (txdEq)

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Udderly ridiculous

Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at June 06, 2022 12:22 PM (flINI)

408 I think this is the best route to take, based mainly on the maturity of the student body. There are a lot of returning adult students in CCs. Posted by: flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at June 06, 2022 12:20 PM (nByzo)

All of my kids took some community college. One of them discovered that even once you were enrolled in 4-year college, you could still take CC courses for non-major subjects and transfer the credits in. Tuition was a lot cheaper.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at June 06, 2022 12:22 PM (7B5FA)

409 One of the great things about agricultural studies is that they cows are out standing in their fields.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 06, 2022

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Milking their experience for all they can get
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at June 06, 2022 12:21 PM (txdEq)

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Udderly ridiculous
Posted by: Truck Monkey Report

No whey!

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 06, 2022 12:23 PM (c8pZY)

410 Even STEM is questionable. I spent 5 years getting a degree in Electrical Engineering and have never used anything from a single class with the exception of the boolean logic course.

For computer science, everything moves so quickly that whatever you learn is obsolete before you graduate. There's *some* value there for base data structures and other universal things, but mostly you're going to be teaching yourself whatever it is when you get a job anyway.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 06, 2022 12:23 PM (ZGrMX)

411 400 One of the great things about agricultural studies is that they cows are out standing in their fields.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 06, 2022

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Milking their experience for all they can get
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at June 06, 2022 12:21 PM (txdEq)


The restaurant nearby has a strict "No Tipping" policy....

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, who may be watching too many Pitch Meetings at June 06, 2022 12:23 PM (PiwSw)

412 College is a great place to meet a woman from a good family who is well off financially.

And then drag her down to your level.

Posted by: Wally at June 06, 2022 12:23 PM (FJYfm)

413 Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 06, 2022

Sandra Boynton-one of the great card makers and artists of the 70's. Congrats"To someone outstanding in their field" still makes me laugh.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 06, 2022 12:23 PM (l7p9i)

414 The College Enrollment Decline Worsened This Spring [Forbes – 5/26/2022]

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Wrong. The decline *improved.*

This is like saying "Decline in Cases of Ass Cancer Worsened This Spring."

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 06, 2022 12:24 PM (xPIwr)

415 347 298 This busty, freckled blonde in shorts didn't go to college:
https://is.gd/JvUBD4
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 06, 2022 12:00 PM (0zQHa)

Made her fortune as a 'massage therapist'?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at June 06, 2022 12:09 PM (V6f9+)

I could use one. Got her number?

Posted by: Deshaun Watson at June 06, 2022 12:24 PM (qwO6y)

416 Around $14K, IIRC.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 06, 2022 12:22 PM (a3Q+t)


Yeah. My first computer job was $13.5K for the first six months. Then I got a raise to $16K.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at June 06, 2022 12:24 PM (yQpMk)

417 Newsome winning in a landslide is inexplicable even accounting for the rigging. Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 06, 2022 12:21 PM (bNMvK)

My BIL and SIL, good Republicans even in California, voted against the recall because they thought it was a waste of money. It did no good to point out that the cost of the election was already sunk and they were making a decision about future spending.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at June 06, 2022 12:25 PM (7B5FA)

418 Sandra Boynton-one of the great card makers and artists of the 70's. Congrats"To someone outstanding in their field" still makes me laugh.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 06, 2022 12:23 PM (l7p9i)

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It wasn't a Boynton, but I still remember a birthday card from the 80's.

Cover: "When they made you they broke the mold"

Inside: "And rumor has it they beat the hell out of the mold-maker too!"

Posted by: 496 at June 06, 2022 12:25 PM (VJsqe)

419 Totally agree with Buck (yes, I know everyone else has already moved on. I'm busy this morning and just now read the post). I knew I wanted to be an engineer, and I had good self-discipline and enjoyed learning. So four-year college straight out of high school was the right choice for me. That doesn't make it the right choice for everyone.

Posted by: Mrs. Peel at June 06, 2022 12:25 PM (8548M)

420 All of my kids took some community college. One of them discovered that even once you were enrolled in 4-year college, you could still take CC courses for non-major subjects and transfer the credits in. Tuition was a lot cheaper.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at June 06, 2022 12:22 PM (7B5FA)

Quality of instruction at CC was better, in my experience, for the two-year requirements, at least for STEM pre-reqs. I was actually a bit shocked at how poor the instruction was at the university level for the classes I had to fill in when transferring from semester to quarter system. I remember being angry about the waste of time and money.

Posted by: flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at June 06, 2022 12:25 PM (nByzo)

421 One thing about college that is never talked about is the network built. To this day 20+ years later I can call up someone I knew from college and get a job or a meeting with someone he/she knows. And when it’s time for my kids to get jobs, that network will be a very good source as well. Those networks are invaluable and alone are with the cost of tuition.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 06, 2022 12:26 PM (3vQN0)

422 One of the great things about agricultural studies is that they cows are out standing in their fields.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 06, 2022 12:20 PM (a3Q+t)

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That was corny
Posted by: 496

That's the cream of his jokes.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 06, 2022 12:26 PM (c8pZY)

423 All of my kids took some community college. One of them discovered that even once you were enrolled in 4-year college, you could still take CC courses for non-major subjects and transfer the credits in. Tuition was a lot cheaper.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at June 06, 2022 12:22 PM (7B5FA)
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Often, but be very careful with the main college and understand their policies. I got burned by this. I was pursuing a double degree, which required more credits than a single degree (something neither I nor my advisor knew). I was two credits short in my senior year. I planned to go take a cheap CC class to make up the credit shortfall, and was told I couldn't do that because they forbade any credit transfer during the final 30 credits.

They told me to pick which degree I wanted, and the other would convert to a minor. I took the BS instead of the BA.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 06, 2022 12:26 PM (0zQHa)

424 This busty, freckled blonde in shorts didn't go to college:
https://is.gd/JvUBD4
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 06, 2022 12:00 PM (0zQHa)

Made her fortune as a 'massage therapist'?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at June 06, 2022 12:09 PM (V6f9+)

I could use one. Got her number?
Posted by: Deshaun Watson at June 06, 2022 12:24 PM (qwO6y)

***

Hmmmm... Too old

Posted by: Jeffrey Epstein at June 06, 2022 12:26 PM (flINI)

425 nood biden

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at June 06, 2022 12:26 PM (V6f9+)

426 I went to college for Computer science. 1980. I already had some experience with building, programming, and using computers with my Dad and the college was still using punch cards. It didn't take long before I found out I knew more about microcomputers than the professors. I learned some System 36 programming, and have forgotten it all.

Posted by: fd at June 06, 2022 12:27 PM (vrz2I)

427 That's fantastic. Recently I was blocked from moving up the ladder at a company I had been working for 5 years since I didn't have an accounting degree. Even though I had been doing that kind of work for 40 years total, but hey, the person they hired never worked for a construction company and is not working out as fantastic as they planned. I'm glad I got out of there.

Posted by: Jaimo at June 06, 2022 12:28 PM (DBrN4)

428 Trades education offered through community colleges (most of it now) is included in the "higher education" category. It is not specified whether union apprenticeship programs are, if offered at a union-only facility. It also breaks down the individual trades, if you'd care to open the article -- it states that only construction trades have grown back to pre-epidemic levels, although there were modest upswings in others.

The gender breakdown is in there, too. So are the broad categories of majors: undergraduate psychology is booming, which ought to cause some dismay.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at June 06, 2022 12:28 PM (videA)

429 Quality of instruction at CC was better, in my experience, for the two-year requirements, at least for STEM pre-reqs. I was actually a bit shocked at how poor the instruction was at the university level for the classes I had to fill in when transferring from semester to quarter system. I remember being angry about the waste of time and money.
Posted by: flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at June 06, 2022 12:25 PM (nByzo)


Common in CCs to have very few full-time faculty, but instead to pay adjuncts who actually work in a related field. More current in their knowledge, and understand the "real world."
The big 4 year-schools have the tenured profs who haven't learned anything new in decades, and don't care if their teachings are impractical, or outright wrong.

Posted by: Wally at June 06, 2022 12:29 PM (FJYfm)

430
After Newsom survived the recall, he went on a rampage. A real vengeance ride.

He was so scared for a while, and attenuated and walked back his bullshit then. But by election day he knew he had it in the bag.

Lessons: 1. Scaring politicians is good. 2. Democrats are devious fucks who know how to win even when they are visibly destroying thecstate.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at June 06, 2022 12:30 PM (N8nUc)

431 There's some value there for base data structures and other universal things

Heh. I remember being mostly underwhelmed by the programming classes I took. I’d already been programming for my own purposes for a few years. But one thing I’d never run into before was linked lists. I was amazed!

And by the time I started working as a programmer, they had been completely replaced with hashes or made completely unnecessary by speed. Every once in a while I’ll implement something like a linked list, but am always nagged by the probability that there’s a better way to do it built into the language.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at June 06, 2022 12:30 PM (U+Oxn)

432 Quality of instruction at CC was better, in my experience, for the two-year requirements, at least for STEM pre-reqs. I was actually a bit shocked at how poor the instruction was at the university level for the classes I had to fill in when transferring from semester to quarter system. I remember being angry about the waste of time and money.
Posted by: flounder

Best business teacher I ever had was at a CC. He'd teach, get bored with teaching, leave & start a business. Then he'd get tired of running a business and he'd sell it and go teach. Rinse, repeat.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 06, 2022 12:30 PM (c8pZY)

433 I spent 5 years getting a degree in Electrical Engineering and have never used anything from a single class with the exception of the boolean logic course.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at June 06, 2022 12:06 PM


Too many people don't know that resistance is futile.

Posted by: The Democratic Borg at June 06, 2022 12:31 PM (a3Q+t)

434 What did a college grad with a computer programming degree (not Computer Science, I probably couldn't have handled the math) earn, on average, out of school in 1975?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at June 06, 2022 12:19 PM
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Around $14K, IIRC.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 06, 2022


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That would have seemed like a fortune to me at the time, when a decent apartment could be had here for $150-200/month and gas was .55/gal.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at June 06, 2022 12:31 PM (txdEq)

435 The last of my 3 boys is heading to Penn State Engineering, university park. The accepted students weekend was not woke. Let's hope this works out.

Posted by: dagny, first of her name at June 06, 2022 12:32 PM (HMTci)

436 The entire system is designed to shackle people to debt, force them into careers where both parents work, the system attends to the kids . . .

The family is merely an economic production unit, from which taxes are farmed.

Also a lot of electronic "products" you don't really own. You dont pay one price and you own it forever. You have to pay monthly for a license or subscription whatever you want to call it. They whittle away your ability to save and easy to lose track of how much you spend yearly on such crap.

Posted by: simplemind at June 06, 2022 12:32 PM (T2qfq)

437 nood.

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, who may be watching too many Pitch Meetings at June 06, 2022 12:35 PM (PiwSw)

438 A lot of apprenticeships aren't labeled as such. A friend of mine owns an HVAC company. He has a standing offer to unskilled people for helper jobs at $15 an hour. He pays for all the training costs for them to get their certifications, but they have to study on their own time. He says many of them make in the $70K range after three years or so, but they have to work hard to get there.

This is a smart business model. He's able to identify the really good employees while they're training, and "the challenge then is to treat them so well they won't leave."

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at June 06, 2022 12:37 PM (sWM8x)

439 Biden's winning strategy
- Climate change
- Negotiate with Iran for oil
- Attack GOP over gun safety and abortion

WOW what a winning strategy /sarc

Posted by: DavidM at June 06, 2022 12:40 PM (NwPWC)

440 Posted by: 496 at June 06, 2022 12:25 PM (VJsqe)

Thanks; Very funny.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 06, 2022 12:42 PM (l7p9i)

441 Shackling people to debt is one of the main goals of the hierarchy in this country. Student debt is just one. The other is credit card debt. Finally I have neither. I remember my sister saying about 5 yrs ago, that "everyone has lots of credit card debt so it's not that bad." I felt sorry for her.

Posted by: sidney at June 06, 2022 12:42 PM (Uy/WF)

442 The idea that you need a degree for a good career in STEM has some merit, but....

Out on the construction site I have seen many, many, many occasions where the crew foreman is telling the STEM-degreed designer and engineer that what they are proposing isn't going to work, and then showing them what will. If the engineer has any snap at all, he/she is going to be out on the job site listening to the builders and the craftsmen.

OK, the STEM is really going to help you in the force calculations and the materials specifications, but it's collaborative, not magisterial.

Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at June 06, 2022 12:52 PM (K58O6)

443 As someone who with a professional degree, I have to wonder these days if traditional postsecondary education is becoming a dinosaur. Aside from laboratory requirements for STEM courses, what is so magical about sitting in a lecture hall at a hideously-expensive university vs. online learning?

As an analogy, most of my continuing medical ed requirements are now easily available online, and frankly a lot cheaper and more convenient than traveling across the country to some conference. Other than providing bragging rights for *where* one spent their four years getting a bachelor's degree, just what justifies the exorbitant tariff for college education these days?

Posted by: Dr. Mabuse at June 06, 2022 01:47 PM (bx+f8)

444 Our kid applied to a number of CRM archeology grad programs to become an archeologist. Two turned them down flat, because they only accepted students who had actually been working as shovel bums for at least 3-5 years. They had learned that some students who came straight from earning a BS degree in archeology/anthropology dropped out after realizing that they hated the hard physical labor of hiking for miles and digging 20-30 shovel test pits a day for weeks on end, looking for artifacts. Our kid was accepted into another really good program and did well, but was behind fellow students who had actual real world experience. They are a quick learner and we’re mentored well. Now they have been working for a year, been promoted to leading crews, and loving their work. They admit that it would have been better to get more real world experience before doing college. Fortunately, it worked well for them, but they have seen others who wasted a lot of money on college, only to discover they hate archeology.

Posted by: Annie Rose at June 06, 2022 02:20 PM (rlstk)

445 With the average student,loan payment at $393.00, your annual payment is almost 5 grand (net). As a youngster, you can live at the same level on about $6,200 gross less and not be hurting at all. Granted, you should have skills, but if you're smart and opt for OJT with a company, the mutual commitment could be mutually profitable.

Don't think employers haven't noticed. Living with income anxiety fuels job-hopping and turnover is a sunk cost.

Posted by: Carlos Rodriguez at June 06, 2022 04:12 PM (uMg1j)

446 They don't want t o be Brainwashed by those Liberal Collage Professors with their walnut Brains

Posted by: Tamaa the Drongo Bird at June 06, 2022 06:18 PM (wGqjj)

447 "with less than half of its citizens possessing degrees or technical certifications"

FEWER.
The word is FEWER.
C'mon, man, you're writing about education.

Posted by: GWB at June 06, 2022 07:42 PM (W0i8D)

448 "...why are we obsessed with the notion that college (or technical school) must start at age 18? "

I graduated high school in 1968. Many of us went directly into college to avoid the draft (S2 deferment.) When Nixon ended the draft, that rationale ended, but the practice has continued due to social inertia.

My two cents.

Posted by: JPowell at June 07, 2022 12:51 AM (8fbh7)

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