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The Morning Rant: Minimalist Edition
The Biden administration is in possession of nearly one billion records detailing American citizens' firearm purchases, far more than Congress and the public has been aware of, according to new information from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives obtained by the Washington Free Beacon.
So, what would our benevolent masters in Washington do with a list of most gun owners in America? Send them ammo deals from the CMP? Make sure that they get recall notices from manufacturers? Send the jack-booted thugs of the Leviathan to their homes to confiscate their weapons, and very possibly shoot a couple thousand gun owners while they are at it...pour encourager les autres! When was the last time a government entity didn't overreact? When was the last time a bureaucrat with life-and-death power over Americans decided that exercising his authority in the most aggressive and heavy-handed way was not in keeping with the intent of Congress and the clear text of the Constitution? Chevron vs. NRDC is the proximate cause of this disgusting deference to the unelected apparatchiks of the deep state, but obviously it has been going on for far longer. But it is the size of government that makes the Deep State so dangerous. Imagine an ATF without the resources to collect and keep that data, and without the resources to create a mini army to force its regulations on American citizens. That is the genius of our founders, and the bureaucratic state has been fighting it since Marbury vs. Madison. It is also one of the bedrocks of conservative political philosophy, and one that has sadly fallen by the wayside.
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: Jordan61 at February 01, 2022 11:01 AM (Ez6QX)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice. Asymptomatic raycist at February 01, 2022 11:01 AM (3D/fK)
Posted by: Ladyl at February 01, 2022 11:01 AM (OVqT/)
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If you think the left will go to the mat to protect Roe v. Wade, just you wait until Chevron gets a real challenge at the SCOTUS level.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at February 01, 2022 11:02 AM (LvTSG)
Posted by: Jordan61 at February 01, 2022 11:02 AM (Ez6QX)
Posted by: BignJames at February 01, 2022 11:02 AM (AwYPR)
Seems like there is a coordinated effort across multiple States with these bomb threats.
https://tinyurl.com/2n5dz4de
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice. Asymptomatic raycist at February 01, 2022 11:02 AM (3D/fK)
Posted by: Skip's Phone at February 01, 2022 11:03 AM (5hMIh)
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Minimize government. Structure the law so as to be restrictive rather than widely permissive of state power. Maximize local control.
All good ideas. None of this is conducive to massive power acquisition, unaccountable fraud and graft, a master class of government elites or any of the other good things the elites cherish.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 01, 2022 11:03 AM (DU+/6)
Posted by: Ladyl at February 01, 2022 11:03 AM (OVqT/)
Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at February 01, 2022 11:03 AM (dfRN6)
On a side note, friend wants to sell me a Colt AR-15, early 2000's vintage, for $500. Good deal? I already have an AR, but could always use another. And I like that it would be "off the grid".
Posted by: Blago at February 01, 2022 11:03 AM (PwNLq)
Posted by: V2 at February 01, 2022 11:03 AM (9Mua8)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice. Asymptomatic raycist at February 01, 2022 11:04 AM (3D/fK)
Posted by: Ladyl at February 01, 2022 11:03 AM (OVqT/)
Oh no, Ladyl! Prayers up!
Posted by: Jordan61 at February 01, 2022 11:04 AM (Ez6QX)
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 01, 2022 11:04 AM (DU+/6)
The commanders overseeing the retreat from Afghanistan?
Posted by: Diogenes at February 01, 2022 11:04 AM (axyOa)
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at February 01, 2022 11:04 AM (3dE89)
Posted by: Blago at February 01, 2022 11:03 AM (PwNLq)
Seems like a no-brainer.
Posted by: flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at February 01, 2022 11:05 AM (SH2Zi)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at February 01, 2022 11:05 AM (F4b8f)
What would happen if someone had the balls to disband it or defund it entirely?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at February 01, 2022 11:05 AM (V6f9+)
Posted by: Big AL at February 01, 2022 11:05 AM (vnvi2)
Posted by: I used to have a different nic, member - Ashli Babbitt Society at February 01, 2022 11:05 AM (IUd0M)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at February 01, 2022 11:02 AM (LvTSG)
But before that, the Left will try to derail Palin v. NYT. NYT v. Sullivan is their first line of defense.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at February 01, 2022 11:05 AM (mdjgu)
They get a new list every September when people buy hunting licenses. They also know every license to carry individual.
They already know gun owners.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 01, 2022 11:05 AM (uXonU)
Posted by: SMOD at February 01, 2022 11:06 AM (RHGPo)
Posted by: Blago at February 01, 2022 11:03 AM (PwNLq)
Yes, good deal, jump on that. Colt AR's are pretty durable. I have one myself.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at February 01, 2022 11:06 AM (V6f9+)
Posted by: Ladyl at February 01, 2022 11:03 AM (OVqT/)
May he get well most rapidly.
Posted by: Hillary at February 01, 2022 11:06 AM (P3gRi)
Posted by: SMOD at February 01, 2022 11:06 AM (RHGPo)
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That represents a whole lot of guns in the hands of Americans.
I mean...that's a lot of guns.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at February 01, 2022 11:06 AM (LvTSG)
Posted by: t-bird at February 01, 2022 11:07 AM (SwCv8)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at February 01, 2022 11:07 AM (LvTSG)
Colt roll stamp holds its value. I'd buy it.
Posted by: Oddbob at February 01, 2022 11:07 AM (nfrXX)
Posted by: Puddin Head at February 01, 2022 11:07 AM (J7wri)
Not every gun transfer, thank goodness.
Posted by: Eric Holder at February 01, 2022 11:07 AM (SwCv8)
Philly is good already
well, not good but you know what I mean
Posted by: REDACTED
San Francisco could be AC\DC.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Stupid Son of a Bitch at February 01, 2022 11:08 AM (FVME7)
Posted by: Blago
It won't truly be off grid. If he bought it "on the books", if pressed, he'll roll over on you quicker than you can sneeze.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 01, 2022 11:08 AM (uXonU)
Posted by: Ladyl
Prayers for Dave Ladyl.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at February 01, 2022 11:08 AM (tHtan)
Posted by: flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at February 01, 2022 11:08 AM (SH2Zi)
Posted by: Ladyl at February 01, 2022 11:03 AM (OVqT/)
May the Lord, who is the ultimate physician and healer, completely restore Dave to health and fitness. May any fear around his diagnosis be dissipated in the presence of the Lord's strength, love, and comfort.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at February 01, 2022 11:08 AM (mdjgu)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at February 01, 2022 11:05 AM (F4b8f)
The NSA was forbidden from using their communication database against US citizens without a warrant, and yet..
Posted by: DoublySymmetric(phone) at February 01, 2022 11:08 AM (9mfKN)
Without reading the link, is it too cynical to put odds on the perpretrators?
2-1 faculty member from one of the schools, to raise awareness of the evil racism that still exists
4-1 FBI entrapping guy in basement who is on the spectrum
5-1 FBI
10000-1 actual bona-fide 'white supremacist'
Posted by: Chuck Martel at February 01, 2022 11:09 AM (fs1hN)
Posted by: Xipe Totec at February 01, 2022 11:09 AM (o2MD2)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 01, 2022 11:09 AM (P3gRi)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Stupid Son of a Bitch at February 01, 2022 11:08 AM (FVME7)
Queen
Posted by: BignJames at February 01, 2022 11:09 AM (AwYPR)
Philly is good already
well, not good but you know what I mean
Posted by: REDACTED
San Francisco could be AC\DC.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Stupid Son of a Bitch at February 01, 2022 11:08 AM (FVME7)
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What, no love for Queen?
Posted by: 496 at February 01, 2022 11:09 AM (VJsqe)
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But we really need to know who has all the guns. And where they are. Because we do. Its totes needed. How could be function if we didn't know where the guns are and who has them. I mean, how could a free people conduct their affairs? Why wouldn't we need to know where every single gun owner is immediately. Eeek! A gun owner. Hisssssssss.
Posted by: Your government loves you and only wants to keep you safe at February 01, 2022 11:10 AM (5rhtO)
Or just go ahead and violate the black letter of the law. It's been proven time and again that there will be no adverse consequences.
Posted by: Oddbob at February 01, 2022 11:10 AM (nfrXX)
Colt roll stamp holds its value. I'd buy it.
Posted by: Oddbob
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I know the "pre bans" fetch a premium, I think those stopped at the mid-90's.
What is a "roll stamp"?
Posted by: Blago at February 01, 2022 11:11 AM (PwNLq)
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Who Dis? at February 01, 2022 11:11 AM (xPJvm)
I wonder why FL got rid of him? Is he going to resurrect the TX Tea Party? LOLGF
Posted by: Capital Eff at February 01, 2022 11:11 AM (GYllL)
Posted by: t-bird at February 01, 2022 11:11 AM (SwCv8)
4-1 FBI entrapping guy in basement who is on the spectrum
5-1 FBI
10000-1 actual bona-fide 'white supremacist'
Posted by: Chuck Martel at February 01, 2022 11:09 AM
1.5-1 A student or student organization
Posted by: Bert G at February 01, 2022 11:11 AM (4YnRO)
I mean...that's a lot of guns.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at February 01, 2022 11:06 AM (LvTSG)
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And yet, how many people would give them up willingly if asked? Is the government really fazed by this number if they decided to take them by force?
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at February 01, 2022 11:12 AM (YIVH2)
Hamilton Burger: And can you tell me who the pistol in question is registered to?
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice. Asymptomatic raycist at February 01, 2022 11:12 AM (3D/fK)
Posted by: Roy at February 01, 2022 11:12 AM (ETgAA)
Colt roll stamp holds its value. I'd buy it.
Posted by: Oddbob
Is it a LE69XX ?
Posted by: Capital Eff at February 01, 2022 11:12 AM (GYllL)
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at February 01, 2022 11:12 AM (UuD2k)
His book "Is Administrative Law Unlawful?" pisses off libtard law professors like no other book, so you know it must be outstanding.
Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at February 01, 2022 11:12 AM (XSIWL)
Posted by: rickb223 at February 01, 2022 11:08 AM (uXonU)
"Oh, that AR15? Yeah, bought it off buddy well under market, decided I didn't need it that much, sold it at a gun show. On the way home from the gun show, my Tesla caught fire, and all the records were burned."
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 01, 2022 11:12 AM (P3gRi)
Posted by: Elric Blade at February 01, 2022 11:12 AM (iFTx/)
Posted by: ShainS -- A faculty lounge, if you can keep it. at February 01, 2022 11:13 AM (hHVtf)
Posted by: Oddbob at February 01, 2022 11:10 AM (nfrXX)
Do not do that again, or there will (lol, not really) be consequences!
~ Federal Judge enforcing the law
Posted by: DoublySymmetric(phone) at February 01, 2022 11:13 AM (9mfKN)
https://tinyurl.com/mwaz79be
Posted by: Methos at February 01, 2022 11:13 AM (kOpft)
The size and power of the federal bureaucracy really goes back to the 16th amendment. Ties into "civil service reform" as well. Rights on paper are rather nominal, they don't have active defenders sitting there to fight back against the bureaucracy. The establishment of a large permanent bureaucracy(which requires money and the elimination of regular mass firings) inevitably becomes tyrannically (notably even without any active intention of the executive).
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at February 01, 2022 11:13 AM (z5Vrg)
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at February 01, 2022 11:12 AM (YIVH2)
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I think all gun control talk is fundraising fodder for the bases. There are too many legal and illegal guns out there, especially in the hands of people who won't turn them over (rural folk, inner city folk) to ever make confiscation anything approaching a reality. It's akin to "deport all the illegal immigrants".
It'll never happen, and yet we get Democrats promising up and down to illegalize guns while the worm keeps turning against them culturally and legally. It's failure theater for their rubes.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at February 01, 2022 11:14 AM (LvTSG)
I mean...that's a lot of guns.
Doesn't matter if none of us are willing to use them.
Posted by: Methos at February 01, 2022 11:14 AM (kOpft)
Assuming its in good condition yes. A early 2k Colt AR was probably a 1000 dollar rifle. Be aware depending on the serial number it may fit civilian standard or .mil standard aftermarket parts.
Good Rifles, and as noted above, the roll stamp does hold some value (moreso then say, the pistol side of the company)
Posted by: FrozenTech at February 01, 2022 11:14 AM (ESZMY)
Posted by: ShainS -- A faculty lounge, if you can keep it. at February 01, 2022 11:13 AM (hHVtf)
Burning that compound down with them in it was the ONLY way to save them!!
~ Janet Reno and the ATF
Posted by: DoublySymmetric(phone) at February 01, 2022 11:15 AM (9mfKN)
Just the external markings. Brand, model, serial, etc. The Colt brand brings a premium.
Posted by: Oddbob at February 01, 2022 11:15 AM (nfrXX)
Posted by: 496 at February 01, 2022 11:15 AM (VJsqe)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
That's good. Better?
"Money was tight. Needed groceries. City of XXX had a "No Questions Asked" gun buy back and were giving out grocery cards. Go ask them".
Posted by: rickb223 at February 01, 2022 11:16 AM (uXonU)
https://tinyurl.com/mwaz79be
Posted by: Methos at February 01, 2022 11:13 AM (kOpft)
Just daydreaming. They get bored in the General Assembly when the only thing they can do is gerrymander and ignore the exploding pension liability crisis.
Posted by: Roy at February 01, 2022 11:16 AM (ETgAA)
You might miss the odd hermit in the woods who hunts with his grandpa's unserialized shotgun and uses paper shells from the 1930s or pays cash at the mom and pop selling ammo but that is unnecessary.
IN other words, a list is easy to make but the political will for actually seizing them appears weak so far as NY Safe laws, Canada's failed long gun registry, and other states banning certain weapons. Even in Australia, there are more guns now than before their buybacks, widespread non-compliance in NZ, etc.
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2022 11:17 AM (Iq9dF)
Posted by: flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at February 01, 2022 11:17 AM (SH2Zi)
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That's too reductive! Sometimes we surf porn.
Posted by: Your General Assembly at February 01, 2022 11:17 AM (9/AHh)
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at February 01, 2022 11:12 AM (YIVH2)
They won't use force...they'll crush you with the process.
Posted by: BignJames at February 01, 2022 11:17 AM (AwYPR)
I'll be satisfied if he just doesn't stack his staff with Bushites.
Posted by: Oddbob at February 01, 2022 11:18 AM (nfrXX)
Just as "deleting" a file on your PC only erases the first character of the file name, but leaves the underlying file intact. Unless you use some kind of "wipefile" or "bleach-bit" data tool, and then melt the hard-drive down in a vat of molten metal, aka Terminator style.
And even then, the hundreds and thousands of "cloud" backups those bastards have surely emplaced, and like I said.. there's no way we can know that those files are well and truly dead. Possible solution. Starting at the Director level, throw one ATF employee off of the roof of their own building, each and every time a new cache of the "database" is discovered and identified. Unless they're proving en-masse, that they're working to destroy them all.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at February 01, 2022 11:18 AM (QzJWU)
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at February 01, 2022 11:18 AM (KvvYQ)
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 01, 2022 11:18 AM (yQpMk)
2-1 faculty member from one of the schools, to raise awareness of the evil racism that still exists
4-1 FBI entrapping guy in basement who is on the spectrum
5-1 FBI
10000-1 actual bona-fide 'white supremacist'
Posted by: Chuck Martel at February 01, 2022 11:09 AM (fs1hN)
3-1 Jussie Smollett.
Posted by: flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at February 01, 2022 11:18 AM (SH2Zi)
Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at February 01, 2022 11:18 AM (XSIWL)
Yeah, that was my initial reaction. Not shock at the compilation of the data, but pride at the ubiquity of gun ownership. As TJM notes, there are way too many guns out there for any confiscation to ever occur.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at February 01, 2022 11:18 AM (BMmaB)
Posted by: 496 at February 01, 2022 11:15 AM (VJsqe)
NFL: The New York They Might Be Giants
Posted by: Darrell Harris at February 01, 2022 11:18 AM (mdjgu)
Posted by: Ladyl
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You got it. I assume you are at the ER now?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 01, 2022 11:18 AM (WZ5i4)
Government promising to not violate the rights of the people should be viewed with the same kind of suspicion a high school girl might have when her boyfriend looks her in the eye and says, "Just the tip. I promise."
Posted by: Robert at February 01, 2022 11:19 AM (1Yy3c)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
They cover that by overcharging various crimes and there is always lying to federal agents that is a felony. Better off with I don't remember.
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2022 11:19 AM (Iq9dF)
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at February 01, 2022 11:19 AM (K2SnJ)
Posted by: 496 at February 01, 2022 11:19 AM (VJsqe)
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2022 11:17 AM (Iq9dF)
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Right. They could probably build a registry of 80% of weapons but there are serious data management problems (ingesting hand-written forms reliably) and data access problems (getting information from the banks, from the mail, from the publishers, in a reliable and quiet way) to doing so. It doesn't mean they can't and I am sure they have at least a partial shadow registry already, but it is to some degree like having a stolen Picasso: how do you display it without getting caught?
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 01, 2022 11:19 AM (DU+/6)
Posted by: Puddin Head at February 01, 2022 11:20 AM (J7wri)
As others have pointed out, they can't or won't use this information in cases where guns are used for crimes.
Posted by: Emmie is unacceptable, eh at February 01, 2022 11:20 AM (6RgRK)
It's the downside of "Guns don't kill people, people kill people".
Posted by: me at February 01, 2022 11:20 AM (9p+wn)
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon
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Yes, but it makes targeted actions against individuals very easy.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 01, 2022 11:20 AM (WZ5i4)
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at February 01, 2022 11:18 AM (QzJWU)
What, like with a cloth?
~Hillary Clinton
Posted by: DoublySymmetric(phone) at February 01, 2022 11:20 AM (9mfKN)
Posted by: Darrell Harris at February 01, 2022 11:18 AM (mdjgu)
The Philadelphia I fucking hate the Eagles
Posted by: Jeffrey Lebowski at February 01, 2022 11:20 AM (fQLrM)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 01, 2022 11:20 AM (roRP4)
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at February 01, 2022 11:20 AM (BMmaB)
What is a "roll stamp"?
Posted by: Blago at February 01, 2022 11:11 AM (PwNLq)
Roll stamp is the Colt logo and serial. During the obama shortage, a LNIB 6920 fetched a profit, or so I heard. Stop thinking, start making it your own.
Posted by: flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at February 01, 2022 11:20 AM (SH2Zi)
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Is there anything that doesn't scare the hell out of them?
Bambi had more fortitude.
Posted by: Woe to the liberal for they are gutless at February 01, 2022 11:20 AM (5rhtO)
Government promising to not violate the rights of the people should be viewed with the same kind of suspicion a high school girl might have when her boyfriend looks her in the eye and says, "Just the tip. I promise."
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The tip is a good place to start.
Posted by: Puddin Head at February 01, 2022 11:20 AM (J7wri)
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Not necessary Jim. All you have to do with databases is corrupt the information enough where the information is unreliable--false in part, false in total is how that evidence is treated in courts.
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2022 11:21 AM (Iq9dF)
Posted by: Puddin Head at February 01, 2022 11:20 AM (J7wri)
Been good for me too. Little uncertain whether we see Obama level oil price highs.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at February 01, 2022 11:21 AM (z5Vrg)
For example, I'm sure all the gun records were pulled for everyone involved in the Jan 6 protest and if there was the slightest gun infraction, they would throw the book at them.
In that Las Vegas massacre, they gave a stupidly long prison sentence to the guy that sold him ammo...because he handloaded and didn't have a permit to sell ammo. Had nothing to do with the actual crime.
This is their playbook. It won't be a confiscation, but it will be like you're a fugitive looking over your shoulder.
Posted by: Blago at February 01, 2022 11:22 AM (PwNLq)
Posted by: Count de Monet at February 01, 2022 11:22 AM (4I/2K)
Some of that may be an announcement that they are combining the refining and chemicals divisions and closing the Irving HQ and moving corporate HQ to the Houston campus to cut costs.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at February 01, 2022 11:22 AM (BMmaB)
Posted by: flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at February 01, 2022 11:20 AM (SH2Zi)
You're gonna make it after all!
Posted by: Mary Tyler Moore at February 01, 2022 11:22 AM (dNqv+)
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2022 11:21 AM (Iq9dF)
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A poisoned data set is worth less than no data set. If your data are bad, you're actually worse off making decisions based on it than you would be by guessing based on the known state of part of the system at this moment in time. A guess might be wrong. Decisions based on bad data will be wrong.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 01, 2022 11:23 AM (DU+/6)
I have AFIB, Cardioligist got mine under control.Biggest concern is blood clots, so blood thinner is a must along with a couple of other pills. Worst part is no more than one alcoholic drink a day. There are also procedures that can be done to correct it, but they are not 100% effective.
Good luck, and prayers sent
Posted by: Cicero Skip at February 01, 2022 11:23 AM (FIrEF)
Posted by: Puddin Head at February 01, 2022 11:24 AM (J7wri)
Posted by: Emmie is unacceptable, eh at February 01, 2022 11:24 AM (6RgRK)
Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 01, 2022 11:24 AM (dNqv+)
Posted by: Puddin Head at February 01, 2022 11:20 AM (J7wri)
I picked them up in 2020 when they are $30 something. I remember reading articles about this being the end of fossil fuels. Idiots. The financial press is nothing but bad opinion pieces.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at February 01, 2022 11:24 AM (Y5qcH)
cheap radios and chopsticks. It's the patriotic thing to do for Christ's sake.
Posted by: Trent Lott Head Lobbyist For Beijing at February 01, 2022 11:24 AM (GYllL)
Posted by: Future Boating Accident at February 01, 2022 11:24 AM (79FgF)
It just defies common sense and logic--a bullet is severely deformed and even fractured upon impact.
Yet we're supposed to pretend that microscope marks made by the gun remain distinguishable? To say nothing of the notion that mass-produced guns each have a "fingerprint" distinct from every other gun made on that exact same machine?
I think it's all a lie indirectly funded by the feds to justify an informal gun registry.
Posted by: Well at February 01, 2022 11:25 AM (YHtYW)
Posted by: Puddin Head at February 01, 2022 11:20 AM (J7wri)
Been good for me too. Little uncertain whether we see Obama level oil price highs.
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Never underestimate Branden's ability to fuck things up.
Posted by: Puddin Head at February 01, 2022 11:25 AM (J7wri)
Posted by: Ladyl
Okay !
Posted by: JT at February 01, 2022 11:25 AM (arJlL)
Posted by: Joe Mannix
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What they do is somewhat like the illegal use of Stingray fake cell phone towers---they use the leads to build up parallel investigations based on the targeted person. That is where it is most dangerous--to the individual. What the feds can do with illegal and corrupted information is use that as a basis to do a proctology exam on an disfavored individual and charge them with whatever crimes that they can drag up including procedural crimes. If all else fails, they send informants or undercover agents after you which is how Randy Weaver got screwed.
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2022 11:25 AM (Iq9dF)
Correct. However, this data set is only gathered from gun stores which are no longer in business....
So... a relatively small subset.
Posted by: FrozenTech at February 01, 2022 11:25 AM (ESZMY)
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 01, 2022 11:23 AM (DU+/6)
Though it probably needs not be said, this is why commie states like WA moved to make ALL transfers 4473 transactions. Before a certain date, many of those transactions out of WA will be worthless, as people could and did trade willingly between law-abiding gun owners. Those 4473s are like so many tears in rain.
Posted by: flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at February 01, 2022 11:26 AM (SH2Zi)
Posted by: Future Boating Accident at February 01, 2022 11:24 AM (79FgF)
Really terrible how that storm came out of nowhere while you were on the lake, cleaning your entire arsenal. You were lucky to get to shore alive!!
Posted by: DoublySymmetric(phone) at February 01, 2022 11:26 AM (9mfKN)
Except that they're not keeping it to use in court. They're keeping it to decide which doors to kick in first.
Posted by: Oddbob at February 01, 2022 11:26 AM (nfrXX)
Posted by: Darrell Harris at February 01, 2022 11:18 AM (mdjgu)
The Philadelphia I fucking hate the Eagles
Posted by: Jeffrey Lebowski
The Philadelphia Wind Turbine Casualties
Posted by: stu-mick-o-sucks at February 01, 2022 11:26 AM (w9Wax)
Posted by: Moron Robbie - read closely, it's impossible to get a negative result from the free COVID tests at February 01, 2022 11:26 AM (SMktP)
Posted by: Mrs. JTB at February 01, 2022 11:27 AM (7EjX1)
Preying on the perception that ballistic testing is too real science. And not a WAG.
Posted by: Well at February 01, 2022 11:27 AM (YHtYW)
Posted by: flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at February 01, 2022 11:20 AM (SH2Zi)
What the hell is an LNIB 6920?
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at February 01, 2022 11:28 AM (VwHCD)
Maybe a few more hundreds of thousands more traces will leave us a clue if this is working or not. Until then, proceed as planned. You job probably depend on this program's continuity.
Posted by: Fool Otto at February 01, 2022 11:28 AM (DB16e)
Posted by: Well at February 01, 2022 11:25 AM (YHtYW)
I can tell you don't watch many "cop shows".
Posted by: BignJames at February 01, 2022 11:28 AM (AwYPR)
Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at February 01, 2022 11:28 AM (VzbI8)
What they do is somewhat like the illegal use of Stingray fake cell phone towers---they use the leads to build up parallel investigations based on the targeted person. That is where it is most dangerous--to the individual. What the feds can do with illegal and corrupted information is use that as a basis to do a proctology exam on an disfavored individual and charge them with whatever crimes that they can drag up including procedural crimes. If all else fails, they send informants or undercover agents after you which is how Randy Weaver got screwed.
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Pretty much.
Posted by: Probable cause - armed dangerous at February 01, 2022 11:29 AM (lGxBE)
But again, if there's no downside to being wrong...
Also, bonus points for correctly using "data" as a plural.
Posted by: Oddbob at February 01, 2022 11:29 AM (nfrXX)
Posted by: Mr. Barky at February 01, 2022 11:29 AM (4DTGQ)
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division
Like New In Box Model 6920.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 01, 2022 11:29 AM (uXonU)
Yet we're supposed to pretend that microscope marks made by the gun remain distinguishable? To say nothing of the notion that mass-produced guns each have a "fingerprint" distinct from every other gun made on that exact same machine?
Posted by: Well
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It is somewhat of anecdotal nature but similar to analyzing car crashes. Depends on the skill of the examiner and whether the firearm is actually obtained--and how long between the discovery of the weapon and the slug. There is a reason that criminals doing dirty deeds discard the weapon or even resell it in a crime prone area.
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2022 11:30 AM (Iq9dF)
Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at February 01, 2022 11:30 AM (XSIWL)
Posted by: flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at February 01, 2022 11:30 AM (SH2Zi)
Posted by: dunno at February 01, 2022 11:30 AM (w4qRL)
If only possible to purchase guns for another in their name. Then purchasers could buy one for every individual adult in the US.
Fill the registry.
Posted by: Braenyard at February 01, 2022 11:30 AM (jg5Rp)
6920 is part of the standard colt model for an AR15 - which is usually LE6920 (Which stands for Law Enforcment, because that's who they marketed to)
Posted by: FrozenTech at February 01, 2022 11:31 AM (ESZMY)
Posted by: Moron Robbie
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I'm probably going to buy it, just don't need it, already have an AR.
I know $500 is a good price, just curious if its $500 for a $700 gun or if it's worth over $1000+.
Early Colts go for big money and the pre bans also do well, I'm pretty sure this one is like a 2001 model. Probably less than 100 rounds through it, but the door on the stock that holds the cleaning kit is broken.
Posted by: Blago at February 01, 2022 11:31 AM (PwNLq)
Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at February 01, 2022 11:31 AM (CjHGv)
But again, if there's no downside to being wrong...
Also, bonus points for correctly using "data" as a plural.
Posted by: Oddbob at February 01, 2022 11:29 AM (nfrXX)
This. You assume that they are interested in being just and correct. This is about power. This is bureaucratic indifference.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 01, 2022 11:31 AM (dNqv+)
Adam Schiff
@RepAdamSchiff
The bomb threats against HBCUs are deeply disturbing.
Today,
@RepAndreCarson
and I requested a briefing from the FBI to ensure steps are being taken to apprehend the culprits.
We must do all that we can to combat the scourge of white supremacist violence and terrorism.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 01, 2022 11:32 AM (63Dwl)
Posted by: Skip's Phone at February 01, 2022 11:32 AM (PwMUS)
Posted by: Emmie is unacceptable, eh at February 01, 2022 11:32 AM (6RgRK)
Posted by: Bill Clinton at February 01, 2022 11:32 AM (5pTK/)
Posted by: Mrs. JTB
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Pretty well, thanks for asking.
I've avoided commenting about Sophie. Still adjusting to being without Mike Hammer's Cat, I lost Sophie early Sunday morning. 17 years together. I haven't yet been able to bring myself to gather up her things.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 01, 2022 11:32 AM (L47aO)
Posted by: Future Boating Accident at February 01, 2022 11:24 AM (79FgF)
I shot one of those probably 30 years ago. That was sweeeet.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at February 01, 2022 11:33 AM (VwHCD)
Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at February 01, 2022 11:33 AM (VzbI8)
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 01, 2022 11:23 AM (DU+/6)
You are assuming that the data are incomplete and pretty crappy on all fronts.
But here is the only important point: the government does not care about the guns...the government cares about the gun owners. They have a list of names, and that is the goal.
The arrant nonsense about gun crime is just subterfuge to fool the rubes. It is the names that have always been the goal.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 01, 2022 11:34 AM (XIJ/X)
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I'm weird in that sometimes I can feel a subtle difference that I like or maybe I just shoot something better, and I'll swap out one for a new favorite. If I had the opportunity and the cash I'd definitely buy it.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - read closely, it's impossible to get a negative result from the free COVID tests at February 01, 2022 11:34 AM (SMktP)
They got the wrong Michael Cohen. But, they found enough peripheral crimes like with the taxi medallion and Manafort was charged with lying on a home loan for example.
Essentially, they follow Beria's admonition--find me the man and I will tell you their crimes.
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2022 11:34 AM (Iq9dF)
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2022 11:19 AM
Better off with I don't answer questions.
Posted by: I Mean at February 01, 2022 11:34 AM (jPsiL)
short gas system. Mid-gassed AR's are much nicer firing IMHO.
Posted by: Capital Eff at February 01, 2022 11:34 AM (GYllL)
Easy to replace. The entire A2 buttstock can be had for about $25
Posted by: Eisenhorn at February 01, 2022 11:34 AM (Uuquo)
Except I own an LE6920 with Law Enforcement only markings. Which occasionally gives me a giggle.
Posted by: FrozenTech at February 01, 2022 11:34 AM (ESZMY)
Posted by: Arch Stanton at February 01, 2022 11:34 AM (8Ur/F)
- The FBI
Posted by: stu-mick-o-sucks at February 01, 2022 11:34 AM (w9Wax)
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at February 01, 2022 11:33 AM (VwHCD)
Only downside is it only chambers 2 1/2 shells. A nice replacement that is still available - Benelli M-4.
Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at February 01, 2022 11:35 AM (CjHGv)
LOL, I remember when saying that FedGov would do this was a conspiracy theory.
I'm tired of calling them theories at this point. Most of them are fact.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at February 01, 2022 11:35 AM (Cf/uA)
Posted by: Oddbob at February 01, 2022 11:35 AM (nfrXX)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 01, 2022 11:32 AM (63Dwl)
This confirms it, for me. This is a manufactured hoax.
Posted by: flounder at February 01, 2022 11:35 AM (SH2Zi)
Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at February 01, 2022 11:35 AM (VzbI8)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 01, 2022 11:32 AM (L47aO)
Condolences, Mike. You have been through the wringer this past couple of months. People of lesser character would have given up.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 01, 2022 11:36 AM (P3gRi)
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2022 11:34 AM (Iq9dF)
Right, the data is just the foot in the door that allows you to start scrutinizing an individual the cabal has targeted for destruction.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 01, 2022 11:36 AM (dNqv+)
Posted by: SMOD at February 01, 2022 11:36 AM (RHGPo)
Posted by: flounder at February 01, 2022 11:36 AM (SH2Zi)
Posted by: Capital Eff at February 01, 2022 11:36 AM (GYllL)
Posted by: Skip's Phone at February 01, 2022 11:32 AM (PwMUS)
The last gun I bought was over 30 years ago. Late 80's actually. Remington 700 elmer fudd model. Stopped shooting not too long after that. I always wondered if the records are still around.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at February 01, 2022 11:37 AM (VwHCD)
Gun Shop owners have long, quietly, complained that ATF routinely, during audits, copied FFL forms, which, by law, ATF is not supposed to do. Gun shop owners, obviously, dare not complain, lest they get both a personal and business deep anal probe by various government agencies.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/)) at February 01, 2022 11:37 AM (5pTK/)
Posted by: Mrs. JTB at February 01, 2022 11:37 AM (7EjX1)
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Condolences M.Hammer. I lost the best dog I ever had a year ago this month. Unexpectedly got another dog about 4 months later. Unbelievably enough - equally awesome doggo. I did not think it possible. Truly.
Hang in there.
Posted by: Remarkably enough at February 01, 2022 11:37 AM (S9GM2)
Posted by: Moron Robbie - read closely, it's impossible to get a negative result from the free COVID tests at February 01, 2022 11:37 AM (SMktP)
Posted by: DB at February 01, 2022 11:37 AM (geLO8)
Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at February 01, 2022 11:37 AM (CjHGv)
I don't understand this sentence.
Posted by: Oddbob
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It's funny, I'm actually less into the tactical stuff and more into the traditional guns to collect. But I got those checked off the list.
He also wanted to unload a Rem 700 in 7mm, I was more interested in that.
I think he's making a mistake selling his guns, tried to talk him out of it. He's just keeping a pistol for home defense. Says they just collect dust.
Posted by: Blago at February 01, 2022 11:37 AM (PwNLq)
Posted by: Emmie is unacceptable, eh at February 01, 2022 11:37 AM (6RgRK)
Posted by: flounder at February 01, 2022 11:35 AM (SH2Zi)
Well, of course it is. They cannot run on accomplishments or how great things are going.
So, they go back to their bread and butter: Fear Porn.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 01, 2022 11:37 AM (dNqv+)
But here is the only important point: the government does not care about the guns...the government cares about the gun owners. They have a list of names, and that is the goal.
The arrant nonsense about gun crime is just subterfuge to fool the rubes. It is the names that have always been the goal.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
CBD, if you take a look at the history of government databases--you will find them pretty much a mess. The government agencies run a mismash of old systems, they contain a lot of mistakes, and often lead to bad matching. What they can do very well though is focus the enforcement on individuals of interest, not so well on large groups.
Even commercial contractors get database mistakes all the time such as billing, sending money from one place to another, data penetration by hackers, etc. and in truth are probably only slightly better than the government.
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2022 11:37 AM (Iq9dF)
Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 01, 2022 11:38 AM (dNqv+)
Looking forward to Jonah getting on board. Heheh.
Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at February 01, 2022 11:38 AM (XSIWL)
Instead of stamping the letters on a part (BANG!), you use high pressure and an engraved roller to put the markings on.
Posted by: t-bird at February 01, 2022 11:38 AM (OFJlJ)
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2022 11:17 AM
After the Sandy Hook school shooting Connecticut passed all sorts of new restrictive gun laws one of which was registering your "assault weapon".
Turns out the State of CT had been keeping a secret gun registration data base since 1991 in violation of Federal law. That came out in the hearings when a senator wanted the new law to include a provision for the State Police to use the registration data base to arrest anyone who failed to register their guns. In essence the State knew who owned what in violation of Federal law. The law was passed and they only got about a 10% registration compliance rate.
To date only a single person has been arrested for failing to register their guns and that's because he was shooting squirrels with it in his front yard.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at February 01, 2022 11:38 AM (bVYXr)
Posted by: Puddin Head at February 01, 2022 11:20 AM (J7wri)
I picked them up in 2020 when they are $30 something. I remember reading articles about this being the end of fossil fuels. Idiots. The financial press is nothing but bad opinion pieces.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at February 01, 2022 11:24 AM (Y5qcH)
In the $30s, XOM was paying a fat dividend as well. Win-win.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at February 01, 2022 11:39 AM (mdjgu)
Posted by: old chick at February 01, 2022 11:39 AM (sOete)
At least nine Historically Black Colleges and Universities got bomb threats Monday and Tuesday. Congressman Andre Carson (D-Ind.), said Monday evening that he was requesting a briefing from the FBI on the threats.
"There is no denying the surge of racially-motivated violent extremism and the threat it poses to our nation. We will remain focused on ensuring that all appropriate resources are utilized to identify and prosecute the perpetrators of these threats, and to combat the scourge of white supremacist violence and terrorism," said Carson.
None of the threats proved to be founded. Tuesday was the first day of Black History Month.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 01, 2022 11:39 AM (63Dwl)
Posted by: DB at February 01, 2022 11:40 AM (geLO8)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at February 01, 2022 11:40 AM (V6f9+)
Just as "deleting" a file on your PC only erases the first character of the file name, but leaves the underlying file intact. Unless you use some kind of "wipefile" or "bleach-bit" data tool, and then melt the hard-drive down in a vat of molten metal, aka Terminator style.
And even then, the hundreds and thousands of "cloud" backups those bastards have surely emplaced, and like I said.. there's no way we can know that those files are well and truly dead. Possible solution. Starting at the Director level, throw one ATF employee off of the roof of their own building, each and every time a new cache of the "database" is discovered and identified. Unless they're proving en-masse, that they're working to destroy them all.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at February 01, 2022 11:18 AM (QzJWU)
You mean wipe it like with a cloth.
Posted by: HRC worthless bitch at February 01, 2022 11:40 AM (yrol0)
Posted by: SMOD at February 01, 2022 11:40 AM (RHGPo)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 01, 2022 11:39 AM (63Dwl)
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"No one was hurt, and no bombs were planted. This is just further proof that we must use the power of the federal government to destroy those that I dislike."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at February 01, 2022 11:40 AM (LvTSG)
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2022 11:37 AM (Iq9dF)
I have no doubt that the data are a mess. But they don't need anything other than the names. They do not give a shit about serial numbers and addresses and brands and the answers on the yes/no questions.
It's the names...the easiest thing to find on the forms.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 01, 2022 11:41 AM (XIJ/X)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at February 01, 2022 11:41 AM (V6f9+)
Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 01, 2022 11:41 AM (dNqv+)
Posted by: Chuck Martel at February 01, 2022 11:41 AM (fs1hN)
Posted by: concealledkerryorsubmitt at February 01, 2022 11:41 AM (EnQQ8)
Posted by: SMOD at February 01, 2022 11:41 AM (RHGPo)
Posted by: Braenyard at February 01, 2022 11:41 AM (jg5Rp)
B ~ no record keeping of gun sales.
When I bought my last gun the clerk got quite snippy with me when I suggested that those records could be used as a registry.
America 2.0 needs to go back to liberty.
Posted by: AmericanKestrel at February 01, 2022 11:42 AM (IDhUW)
Posted by: SMOD at February 01, 2022 11:41 AM (RHGPo)
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Hard to argue with his last point.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at February 01, 2022 11:42 AM (LvTSG)
It's the names...the easiest thing to find on the forms.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 01, 2022 11:41 AM (XIJ/X)
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A case can be made that Waco happened due to bad data.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/)) at February 01, 2022 11:42 AM (5pTK/)
Ferengi Rules Of Acquisition
#242- More is good, all is better.
#97- Enough, is never enough
#10- greed is eternal
Nope, nothing about need in there.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at February 01, 2022 11:42 AM (VwHCD)
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 01, 2022 11:43 AM (KiKyV)
Posted by: Just Lily at February 01, 2022 11:43 AM (vivhj)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at February 01, 2022 11:40 AM (V6f9+)
Saw a Star BM 9 mm at a local flea market this past weekend. Used, but in box, $450. Seller had several of them.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 01, 2022 11:43 AM (P3gRi)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.
**
Spoilers:
White people couldn't care less about HBCUs.
$100 says that's the problem, and why the black dude is calling in the bomb threats. Raising awareness something something.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - read closely, it's impossible to get a negative result from the free COVID tests at February 01, 2022 11:43 AM (SMktP)
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2022 11:37 AM (Iq9dF)
I have no doubt that the data are a mess. But they don't need anything other than the names. They do not give a shit about serial numbers and addresses and brands and the answers on the yes/no questions.
It's the names...the easiest thing to find on the forms.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 01, 2022 11:41 AM (XIJ/X)
I remember when NYS simply published the names and addresses of gun owners in upstate NY - ostensibly to expose and shame them after a recent shooting took place. It didn't go well for the state then, but if at first you don't succeed...
Posted by: Darrell Harris at February 01, 2022 11:43 AM (mdjgu)
Posted by: JT at February 01, 2022 11:43 AM (arJlL)
Posted by: no 6 at February 01, 2022 11:43 AM (hMlTh)
Well, he ain't wrong.
Posted by: Oddbob at February 01, 2022 11:44 AM (nfrXX)
That gun? I felt guilty for owning it so I took it to a gun buy-back.
Then I donated the money to the democrat party.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at February 01, 2022 11:44 AM (JTztk)
Posted by: JT at February 01, 2022 11:44 AM (arJlL)
It's the names...the easiest thing to find on the forms.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 01, 2022 11:41 AM (XIJ/X)
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Agreed. The other information is just there to squeeze you until you squeal. The process is the punishment.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at February 01, 2022 11:44 AM (YIVH2)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 01, 2022
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Mike, I'm sorry to hear that. My Chekov the Ailing Codger Cat is beginning what I fear is his final decline. I have no idea what I will do with his toys and other items. Maybe keep them for a successor -- though right now I cannot imagine adopting anybody. Everything can go in a closet for the time being, I guess.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at February 01, 2022 11:45 AM (txdEq)
Posted by: Darrell Harris at February 01, 2022 11:43 AM (mdjgu)
I thought that was a newspaper?
Posted by: BignJames at February 01, 2022 11:45 AM (AwYPR)
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/)) at February 01, 2022 11:42 AM (5pTK/)
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A case can be made that Waco was a show cause for ATF's continued funding.
Posted by: Braenyard at February 01, 2022 11:45 AM (jg5Rp)
Several emails from department leaders and obtained by The Times inform students and faculty that Matthew Harris made threats toward the philosophy department and people in it. In some of the emails, sent over the course of Monday evening, department heads recommend moving to virtual learning, and multiple instructors did so, alerting students that in-person classes would not be held.
Posted by: SMOD at February 01, 2022 11:45 AM (RHGPo)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 01, 2022 11:45 AM (XIJ/X)
Posted by: BignJames at February 01, 2022 11:45 AM (AwYPR)
That's right - it was. Same difference, though.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at February 01, 2022 11:46 AM (mdjgu)
So I got that going for me.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 01, 2022 11:46 AM (ZLI7S)
Posted by: AmericanKestrel at February 01, 2022 11:46 AM (IDhUW)
Posted by: no 6 at February 01, 2022 11:46 AM (hMlTh)
"ATF (Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms) should be a convenience store, not a government agency!)
Posted by: Blago at February 01, 2022 11:47 AM (PwNLq)
A case can be made that Waco was a show cause for ATF's continued funding.
Posted by: Braenyard at February 01, 2022 11:45 AM (jg5Rp)
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Anyway, my point is that it doesn't matter if the data is a mess. Government agents, as of right now, can kill a citizen, due to any number of errors, and, oopsie!
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/)) at February 01, 2022 11:47 AM (5pTK/)
Posted by: Oddbob at February 01, 2022 11:47 AM (nfrXX)
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2022 11:25 AM (Iq9dF)
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Yes, the parallel construction evil. And it is the absolute inverse of how a legal and judicial system is supposed to work in a free society. In a free society, the state investigates crimes to find the person who committed it and the state can then prosecute the person within the structures defined by the law.
In an unfree society, the state investigates people to find crimes they have committed. This inversion isn't new, it's just historically been expensive and difficult and so its use was minimized. The inconvenience, difficulty and expense kept the inversion small-scale. It is increasingly cheap and easy to do it, though, and so is happening more and at smaller and smaller scales.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 01, 2022 11:47 AM (DU+/6)
Mike Hammer...well, it could have been him, too.
And a few others here have chronic problems that could become serious.
Lady L is worried about Afib with Dave, her man friend. Right now, today.
Just a comment, that maybe we should all cherish this time and these people here a little bit more, and not be so eager to condemn someone else (and I'm not picking on anyone here about that). We all get mad at some people, each other, some time. But life is short and fleeting.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative...Living on the Prison Planet at February 01, 2022 11:47 AM (vcOmj)
Sounds like a white guy threat but Mr. Harris just appropriated it from a white guy.
Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at February 01, 2022 11:48 AM (VzbI8)
Posted by: t-bird at February 01, 2022 11:48 AM (OFJlJ)
They never do that do they?
Posted by: Braenyard at February 01, 2022 11:48 AM (jg5Rp)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 01, 2022 11:32 AM (L47aO)
Seventeens years was a good run, but they are never here with Us long enough.... Hugs
Posted by: It's me donna at February 01, 2022 11:48 AM (g43JH)
Posted by: JT at February 01, 2022 11:43 AM (arJlL)
Did you read the content?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 01, 2022 11:45 AM (XIJ/X)
I read this with a tone of surprise.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 01, 2022 11:49 AM (dNqv+)
https://is.gd/5vA1NX
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 01, 2022 11:49 AM (DU+/6)
Posted by: DB at February 01, 2022 11:49 AM (geLO8)
Posted by: Braenyard
It was a righteous bust and we all get raises. - The head of the BATF, 1993.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative...Living on the Prison Planet at February 01, 2022 11:50 AM (vcOmj)
Posted by: JT at February 01, 2022 11:43 AM (arJlL)
Did you read the content?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
NOPE !
Posted by: JT at February 01, 2022 11:50 AM (arJlL)
Posted by: It's me donna at February 01, 2022 11:48 AM (g43JH)
All the medical knowledge that we have and they still don't know why species have different life spans.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at February 01, 2022 11:50 AM (UuD2k)
Posted by: It's me donna at February 01, 2022 11:50 AM (g43JH)
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/)) at February 01, 2022 11:47 AM (5pTK/)
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Once again, altogether now...Brazil was not an instruction manual!
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at February 01, 2022 11:50 AM (YIVH2)
That would be an unwise decision, in my opinion, but hey, let 'er rip.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at February 01, 2022 11:50 AM (bkUtD)
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at February 01, 2022 11:50 AM (YIVH2)
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"Yes, it was."
-Terry Gilliam, today
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at February 01, 2022 11:51 AM (LvTSG)
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This highlights how there are two Americas. To me, it showcases why they should be dismantled, disgraced, and used as a warning to other agencies.
Posted by: AmericanKestrel at February 01, 2022 11:51 AM (IDhUW)
Posted by: t-bird at February 01, 2022 11:48 AM (OFJlJ)
They have accurate data. Their grift depends on it. How else would they need to know how many extra ballots to print?
Posted by: flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at February 01, 2022 11:51 AM (SH2Zi)
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/)) at February 01, 2022 11:47 AM (5pTK/)
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Any accident - or deliberate action that be framed (however loosely) as an accident - means that there are no consequences.
Ashli Babbit is the closest example to a government agent walking away from cold-blooded murder with no consequences, and it marked a serious escalation in my opinion.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 01, 2022 11:52 AM (DU+/6)
https://is.gd/5vA1NX
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)
SPLOOSH!
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at February 01, 2022 11:52 AM (bkUtD)
Posted by: Iris at February 01, 2022 11:52 AM (DibdT)
Posted by: flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at February 01, 2022 11:52 AM (SH2Zi)
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at February 01, 2022 11:52 AM (3YVs3)
Just like a few weeks back when there was a flurry of school threats to numerous not historically black schools.
Posted by: old chick at February 01, 2022 11:52 AM (sOete)
It's the names...the easiest thing to find on the forms.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
And that is actually the least useful information--for investigations, serial numbers, make and type, are the most useful. For political purposes, the names are less than useful when it is about 40 percent or higher of households that own firearms. Full scale seizure will rapidly deplete the federales and drive any ownership underground.
New Zealand's experience is also appropriate. They have roughly the same information that US authorities have, perhaps a bit more on who owns guns. But, they have massive non-compliance with their turnin requirement because unlike Australia--they never had firearm registration but rather owner so they do not know who owns what.
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2022 11:53 AM (Iq9dF)
Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at February 01, 2022 11:53 AM (VzbI8)
Posted by: Puddin Head at February 01, 2022 11:53 AM (J7wri)
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 01, 2022 11:52 AM (DU+/6)
Agreed. No trial, no examination. Just: yep you executed an American citizen because... reasons. You are good to go.
Hell the fucking Kent State kids got more than that.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 01, 2022 11:54 AM (dNqv+)
Just a comment, that maybe we should all cherish this time and these people here a little bit more, and not be so eager to condemn someone else (and I'm not picking on anyone here about that). We all get mad at some people, each other, some time. But life is short and fleeting
~~~
Agreed, Bozo, thank you
Posted by: AmericanKestrel at February 01, 2022 11:54 AM (IDhUW)
I always wondered about the precision of ballistics tests. The best you can say is that a bullet has marks that is consistent with a gun, not that the bullet uniquely matches it.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at February 01, 2022 11:54 AM (JTztk)
Posted by: Puddin Head at February 01, 2022 11:53 AM (J7wri)
Well sale of these are all controlled. But usually by state law, so why we have a federal bureaucracy focused on it is odd.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at February 01, 2022 11:55 AM (z5Vrg)
Anyone remember who did it? It rhymes with "not a Republican or even a Trump supporter."
Posted by: blaster at February 01, 2022 11:55 AM (9otr5)
Posted by: AmericanKestrel
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GHWB tried to do that. His method was to dissolve the ATF and distribute the agents amongst the other agencies where they would fit best.
All the other agencies balked.
Posted by: Braenyard at February 01, 2022 11:55 AM (jg5Rp)
Posted by: Joe Mannix
And the guy that did that has no statute of limitations either on being charged. Sometimes it is the civil trial that develops the information leading to a criminal charge because of evidence discovered during the course of that.
The reason the guy did not even talk to investigators is that Senators and Reps were apparently urging the Cap Hill police to shoot those in the Capitol. Lindsay Graham was apparently one of them btw.
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2022 11:55 AM (Iq9dF)
Posted by: DB at February 01, 2022 11:56 AM (geLO8)
https://is.gd/5vA1NX
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)
Now THAT is a bomb threat!
Posted by: stu-mick-o-sucks at February 01, 2022 11:56 AM (w9Wax)
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2022 11:55 AM (Iq9dF)
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Sure, and they're all monsters. But last time I checked, a senator yelling "shoot them! shoot them!" is not a reasonable justification to fire into a crowd.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 01, 2022 11:56 AM (DU+/6)
Posted by: redridinghood at February 01, 2022 11:56 AM (NpAcC)
~~~
When this time comes, it would be wise to remember Solzhenitsyn's words.
Posted by: AmericanKestrel at February 01, 2022 11:57 AM (IDhUW)
Posted by: klaftern at February 01, 2022 11:57 AM (taPSh)
https://is.gd/5vA1NX
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 01, 2022 11:49 AM (DU+/6)
She's the kind you want to flaunt and take to dinner...
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at February 01, 2022 11:57 AM (V6f9+)
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 01, 2022 11:56 AM (DU+/6)
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"That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works."
-Power uber alles
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at February 01, 2022 11:57 AM (LvTSG)
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2022 11:55 AM (Iq9dF)
Yeah. I keep saying it is odd that not one rep on either side went and confronted the crowds. Not one. Not one said: I am going to go speak to these people.
Kind of makes you wonder, eh?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 01, 2022 11:58 AM (dNqv+)
Wut?
Posted by: Kids Burned Alive in Waco at February 01, 2022 11:58 AM (3YVs3)
Inside is an inscription put there by the guy who ordered it built - "People of the Book, Jesus is just a messenger. There is only one G-d."
Posted by: Anna Puma at February 01, 2022 11:58 AM (0gWEW)
Posted by: Puddin Head at February 01, 2022 11:53 AM (J7wri)
Well sale of these are all controlled. But usually by state law, so why we have a federal bureaucracy focused on it is odd.
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Whiskey Rebellion?
Posted by: Puddin Head at February 01, 2022 11:58 AM (J7wri)
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at February 01, 2022 11:59 AM (BMmaB)
Posted by: Kids Burned Alive in Waco at February 01, 2022 11:58 AM (3YVs3)
++++
Waco was an evil nightmare of overreaction, murder, poor motivation, and everything else. They did at least manufacture a pretext for it. They didn't even do so with Babbitt. They just let her murderer not only walk free, but go on national television to talk about how heroic he was.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 01, 2022 11:59 AM (DU+/6)
Posted by: Puddin Head at February 01, 2022 11:53 AM (J7wri)
Well sale of these are all controlled. But usually by state law, so why we have a federal bureaucracy focused on it is odd.
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Whiskey Rebellion?
Posted by: Puddin Head at February 01, 2022 11:58 AM (J7wri)
That was a tax. Do we have a federal tax on any of these items?
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at February 01, 2022 11:59 AM (z5Vrg)
Posted by: redridinghood at February 01, 2022 11:59 AM (NpAcC)
Posted by: redchief at February 01, 2022 12:00 PM (Kab4E)
Posted by: Anna Puma at February 01, 2022 12:00 PM (0gWEW)
Posted by: Xipe Totec at February 01, 2022 12:00 PM (o2MD2)
And
Posted by: Oddbob at February 01, 2022 12:00 PM (nfrXX)
I'll deny it, you lying fuck.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at February 01, 2022 12:00 PM (JTztk)
Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at February 01, 2022 12:00 PM (RqlhY)
Posted by: Puddin Head at February 01, 2022 11:58 AM (J7wri)
That was a tax. Do we have a federal tax on any of these items?
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FDR control freakism?
Posted by: Puddin Head at February 01, 2022 12:00 PM (J7wri)
All the other agencies balked
~~~
Anyone who balks is next.
And even if the don't, they may be next.
Posted by: AmericanKestrel at February 01, 2022 12:01 PM (IDhUW)
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at February 01, 2022 12:01 PM (3dE89)
Posted by: Chunky Cheese at February 01, 2022 12:02 PM (RoIW/)
snow forecast map
https://is.gd/MtbYIo
Posted by: illiniwek at February 01, 2022 12:02 PM (Cus5s)
Bambi had more fortitude.
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Apparently actual murderers being released on the street doesn't faze them in the least.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at February 01, 2022 12:02 PM (rvnbR)
100%. That was objectively a terrible shoot.
Posted by: bonhomme at February 01, 2022 12:02 PM (VCz/u)
Posted by: Paco at February 01, 2022 12:02 PM (njExo)
Posted by: SMOD at February 01, 2022 12:02 PM (RHGPo)
snow forecast map
https://is.gd/MtbYIo
Posted by: illiniwek at February 01, 2022 12:02 PM (Cus5s)
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Big Snow is the reason for inflation. They must be regulated.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at February 01, 2022 12:02 PM (LvTSG)
Because there wasn't one!
Posted by: The Ever-Expanding Administrative State at February 01, 2022 12:02 PM (CTJwJ)
I have AFIB and it is controllable Can be scary but rarely fatal... Biggest worry is blood clotting.. I imagine he has some sort of blood thinner
Posted by: It's me donna at February 01, 2022 12:02 PM (g43JH)
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at February 01, 2022 12:01 PM (3dE89)
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Because it's too much. I have only ever seen it rendered as "ATF" or "BATFE" (Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives) but the latter can be pronounced and usually is as "bat-fee."
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 01, 2022 12:03 PM (DU+/6)
Sometimes I see it as "BATFE." Lots of people shorten it to ATF.
Posted by: bonhomme at February 01, 2022 12:03 PM (VCz/u)
Posted by: Anna Puma at February 01, 2022 12:03 PM (0gWEW)
Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at February 01, 2022 12:00 PM (RqlhY)
Don't put the safe in a canoe whatever you do!
Posted by: blaster at February 01, 2022 12:04 PM (9otr5)
Posted by: Dr. Claw
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I've always been skeptical also, but I know nothing about it.
It reminds me of when they say they have traces of drugs in cash to build a drug trafficking case, basically all money has drug traces on it.
If say a killer shoots someone and gets a metal pick and make a tiny scratch on the inside of his gun barrel, would the bullet no longer match the barrel?
Posted by: Blago at February 01, 2022 12:04 PM (PwNLq)
Posted by: fluffy at February 01, 2022 12:04 PM (UnQlg)
Posted by: The MFM at February 01, 2022 12:04 PM (CTJwJ)
Posted by: SMOD
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Lolololololol!!!**gasp** lololololololololol!!!!
You're pretty darn funny!!!
Posted by: lin-duh at February 01, 2022 12:04 PM (1koXB)
Posted by: AmericanKestrel at February 01, 2022 12:04 PM (IDhUW)
Posted by: Capital Eff at February 01, 2022 12:05 PM (GYllL)
Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal
California is pretty strict on transfers and what is allowed for CA residents to have and what is not. Federal law gets involved if the person getting the goodies is a prohibited owner, if NFA items are included (or discovered as some people never registered NFA items), and transfers involving state lines. Acting as a seller for financial benefit might also get you declared an unlicensed dealer depending on what side of the bed the ATF woke up on.
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2022 12:05 PM (Iq9dF)
Just like a few weeks back when there was a flurry of school threats to numerous not historically black schools.
Posted by: old chick at February 01, 2022 11:52 AM (sOete)
There were some bomb threats just yesterday to Bowie State and Howard Univ. I assume they were false but certainly sets the narrative for the LIV crowd.
Posted by: Iris at February 01, 2022 12:05 PM (DibdT)
and speaking of bottoms, how is Frank ??
Posted by: REDACTED at February 01, 2022 12:05 PM (us2H3)
Posted by: Blago at February 01, 2022 12:04 PM (PwNLq)
THEY CAN TELL THE DIFFERENCE! Because they are super geniuses.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 01, 2022 12:05 PM (dNqv+)
Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at February 01, 2022 12:05 PM (CjHGv)
Posted by: Blago at February 01, 2022 12:04 PM (PwNLq)
Or just replaces the barrel with the one from a different gun.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at February 01, 2022 12:05 PM (Y5qcH)
Posted by: Anna Puma at February 01, 2022 12:06 PM (0gWEW)
Posted by: old chick at February 01, 2022 12:06 PM (sOete)
Posted by: Mr. Barky at February 01, 2022 12:06 PM (4DTGQ)
As reported in WaPo:
The Senate and House leaders also had been evacuated by Capitol Police and taken to an undisclosed location, but many lawmakers remained in their chambers for a few minutes before they were led to safety in the Hart Senate Office Building. Sen. Lindsey O. Graham was irate that senators were forced to flee their own chamber. He yelled at the Senate sergeant-at-arms. "What are you doing? Take back the Senate! You've got guns. Use them." The South Carolina senator was adamant. "We give you guns for a reason," he repeated. "Use them."
Posted by: bonhomme at February 01, 2022 12:06 PM (VCz/u)
Posted by: Capital Eff
It actually appears that GOP state pols are the ones betraying the national GOP in places like Missouri, Florida, etc.
The Dems are doing what they always do---gerrymander tremendously themselves while decrying any losses in Republican dominated states.
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2022 12:06 PM (Iq9dF)
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at February 01, 2022 12:05 PM (Y5qcH)
Pin strike is another unique characteristic
Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at February 01, 2022 12:07 PM (CjHGv)
It's the names...the easiest thing to find on the forms.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 01, 2022 11:41 AM (XIJ/X)
Yep. And if they mess it up, no sleep lost.
Archibald Buttle wept.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 01, 2022 12:07 PM (yQpMk)
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2022 12:06 PM (Iq9dF)
We shouldn't count Our Congressional wins in 2022 before they hatch or something
Posted by: It's me donna at February 01, 2022 12:08 PM (g43JH)
Yeah. I keep saying it is odd that not one rep on either side went and confronted the crowds. Not one. Not one said: I am going to go speak to these people.
Kind of makes you wonder, eh?
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Conscious of guilt. Awareness of, suspicious of, or participation in, the big steal.
Posted by: AmericanKestrel at February 01, 2022 12:08 PM (IDhUW)
Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at February 01, 2022 12:07 PM (CjHGv)
Also replaceable. But you never see pin strike on any of the TV shows. You could also use a revolver or pick up your brass.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at February 01, 2022 12:08 PM (Y5qcH)
The Senate and House leaders also had been evacuated by Capitol Police and taken to an undisclosed location, but many lawmakers remained in their chambers for a few minutes before they were led to safety in the Hart Senate Office Building. Sen. Lindsey O. Graham was irate that senators were forced to flee their own chamber. He yelled at the Senate sergeant-at-arms. "What are you doing? Take back the Senate! You've got guns. Use them."
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They've got electronic keycards, too.
They used those, didn't they? And for some weird reason never closed and locked the doors back.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - read closely, it's impossible to get a negative result from the free COVID tests at February 01, 2022 12:09 PM (SMktP)
Posted by: Capital Eff at February 01, 2022 12:05 PM (GYllL)
yeah, they could do better and they still might
but most of the red states are adders and the blues are subs
it's easier to wipe out a GOPer in a blue state
Posted by: REDACTED at February 01, 2022 12:09 PM (us2H3)
Posted by: Capital Eff at February 01, 2022 12:05 PM (GYllL)
GOP is being hammered by civil rights lawsuits about redistricting again.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at February 01, 2022 12:09 PM (z5Vrg)
Posted by: Blago at February 01, 2022 12:04 PM (PwNLq)
Or just replaces the barrel with the one from a different gun.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe
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I just think it's one of those things where a forensic team "decides" this is the gun and you can find like 99% of the same patterns on any bullet from any barrel.
Again, I know nothing about it, but just seems fishy that hot lead coming out of a barrel from an explosion at that speed (with a modern manufacturing and close tolerances) and the bullet mushrooms and deforms after impact that it's really is going to be all that distinguishable where its like a fingerprint and every one is different.
Posted by: Blago at February 01, 2022 12:10 PM (PwNLq)
Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at February 01, 2022 12:10 PM (n/szn)
'the demand for hate crimes far exceeds the supply'
Posted by: DB at February 01, 2022 11:49 AM (geLO
1st saw that said by Instapundit...but he could have taken it from someone else.
And yes, the HCBU thing is likely not a white on black hate crime...even my area has kept the news low key b/c they aren't sure and they really don't want another "fake hate crime" to blow up in their faces...pun intended...or not
Posted by: Nova local at February 01, 2022 12:10 PM (exHjb)
Posted by: Anna Puma at February 01, 2022 12:06 PM (0gWEW)
It's not about evidence per se...it's about giving a good show and convincing a jury.
Posted by: BignJames at February 01, 2022 12:10 PM (AwYPR)
Posted by: Moron Robbie - read closely, it's impossible to get a negative result from the free COVID tests at February 01, 2022 12:11 PM (SMktP)
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Disagree. Conservative political philosophy = "Welfare is bad, except for all the people who REALLY need it."
"Government indoctrination is bad, except when it comes to putting my children into the hands of fruitcakes and pedophiles so they can teach my children to hate me in Government Schools."
"Forced confiscation of wealth and its redistribution is bad, except when it comes to me getting to 65 and ending my life as a productive human being so I can milk the tax payer for the next 20 - 30 years."
"But, but, but...I paid IN to all those things. I should be able to use them!"
Conservatives love a big government, and they firmly believe it can solve social and economic problems, so long as the right people are in charge and so long as the money is directed to their pet causes. They are the mirror image of the American political Left.
Conservatives are the "centrists" - somewhere between Communism and the Constitution, but resolutely NOT on either end of that extreme. Because, obviously, being a Constitutionalist is extreme.
Posted by: insurgens ad opus at February 01, 2022 12:11 PM (pfqej)
Posted by: old chick at February 01,
Prayers up for Cybersmythe and his family.
Posted by: AmericanKestrel at February 01, 2022 12:11 PM (IDhUW)
Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at February 01, 2022 12:07 PM (CjHGv)
That's what they usually have at a shooting scene. The cartridge cases. That's also how you can assume a revolver was used before the caliber is determined. No cases. Lot of murder by .22 .
Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at February 01, 2022 12:11 PM (VzbI8)
Posted by: It's me donna at February 01, 2022 12:08 PM (g43JH)
we are gonna win bigly
only a matter now will it be a 2010 wipeout
we will know more on Memorial Day
when gas will be over 4 bucks, everywhere
Posted by: REDACTED at February 01, 2022 12:11 PM (us2H3)
Posted by: Iris
The recent threats (a few weeks back) were even made to schools in North Dakota and locally the parents were concerned, but, I don't recall it being blamed on supremacists/racists, etc BEFORE the investigation.
Posted by: old chick at February 01, 2022 12:12 PM (sOete)
Posted by: Moron Robbie - read closely, it's impossible to get a negative result from the free COVID tests at February 01, 2022 12:12 PM (SMktP)
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2022 12:12 PM (Iq9dF)
Posted by: Miss Issippi at February 01, 2022 12:12 PM (sI15f)
You've lost all credibility long ago. This just cements it.
Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at February 01, 2022 12:13 PM (VzbI8)
As are bolt-face marks. Both of which could be obliterated in five minutes with a piece of sandpaper.
Posted by: Oddbob at February 01, 2022 12:13 PM (nfrXX)
You could also use a revolver or pick up your brass.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at February 01, 2022 12:08 PM (Y5qcH)
Or toss down a shitload of range pickup brass. Good luck matching it with a particular gun. Possible, yes, but a major expensive pain in the ass, and ripe for establishing reasonable doubt.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at February 01, 2022 12:13 PM (LZFcA)
Posted by: Miss Issippi at February 01, 2022 12:12 PM (sI15f)
We've not yet begun to fight... Don't shoot till you see the whites of their eyes... Tally ho and all that rot...
Posted by: It's me donna at February 01, 2022 12:13 PM (g43JH)
Who needs efficient? When the left sends out Tiger Teams, all they need is names and general population clusters. They harass and randomly murder country folk, the country folk flee to the cities for "safety", the security apparatus in the cities grab and disappear "troublemakers."
This pattern appears over and over and over in recent history.
Posted by: bonhomme at February 01, 2022 12:14 PM (VCz/u)
they cheat now
and when they get caught cheating
the election is over
"He didn't win, did he ?"
Posted by: REDACTED at February 01, 2022 12:14 PM (us2H3)
Tooth marks, hair analysis, stuff like that. Just made up to convict people.
I can see how a bullet could be ruled out or in as a possibility. I don't see how it could be conclusive except in certain very well defined circumstances.
Given standardized manufacturing processes, I don't see how they could identify with any specificity which individual gun from a certain model fired a bullet.
A bullet fired of a certain caliber with a certain number of lands and grooves and types of lands and twist rate could be determined. Beyond that, I don't see how unless there was some very unique difference in one gun it could be singled out.
Posted by: blaster at February 01, 2022 12:14 PM (9otr5)
Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death
I've read that extractor marks are traceable. I seriously doubt this.
Posted by: Capital Eff at February 01, 2022 12:14 PM (GYllL)
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at February 01, 2022 12:14 PM (Y5qcH)
The current admin is UNDER-reacting to the immigration crisis at our southern border...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at February 01, 2022 12:15 PM (ynpvh)
Disagree. Conservative political philosophy = "Welfare is bad, except for all the people who REALLY need it."
"Government indoctrination is bad, except when it comes to putting my children into the hands of fruitcakes and pedophiles so they can teach my children to hate me in Government Schools."
"Forced confiscation of wealth and its redistribution is bad, except when it comes to me getting to 65 and ending my life as a productive human being so I can milk the tax payer for the next 20 - 30 years."
"But, but, but...I paid IN to all those things. I should be able to use them!"
Conservatives love a big government, and they firmly believe it can solve social and economic problems, so long as the right people are in charge and so long as the money is directed to their pet causes. They are the mirror image of the American political Left.
Posted by: insurgens ad opus at February 01, 2022 12:11 PM (pfqej)
And thus, why the US deficit is impossible to handle now, b/c everyone feels entitled to entitlements...and thus they can't be touched and now start the bankrupting us process...
Posted by: Nova local at February 01, 2022 12:15 PM (exHjb)
The current admin is UNDER-reacting to the immigration crisis at our southern border...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at February 01, 2022 12:15 PM (ynpvh)
The word you're looking for is facilitating.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at February 01, 2022 12:16 PM (z5Vrg)
If that scratch shows up on subsequent bullets, I would say yes, earlier bullets no longer match
Posted by: Dr. Claw at February 01, 2022 12:16 PM (JTztk)
Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at February 01, 2022 12:13 PM (VzbI
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What happens to a country when the citizenry can only form thoughts and express them as logical fallacies? It becomes an Idiocracy, completely unaware of its own inconsistencies and hypocrisies.
Posted by: insurgens ad opus at February 01, 2022 12:16 PM (pfqej)
What kind of fucked up timeline is this?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 01, 2022 12:17 PM (dNqv+)
Posted by: Puddin Head at February 01, 2022 12:17 PM (J7wri)
The current admin is UNDER-reacting to the immigration crisis at our southern border...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at February 01, 2022 12:15 PM (ynpvh)
The word you're looking for is facilitating.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at February 01, 2022 12:16 PM (z5Vrg)
True, but it isn't a over-reaction...it's a feature.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at February 01, 2022 12:17 PM (ynpvh)
Because no one ever has upgrade or replaced their gun's barrel.
Posted by: Reuben Hick at February 01, 2022 12:17 PM (lD3vL)
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It would never cross my mind to flee to a city for safety.
Posted by: AmericanKestrel at February 01, 2022 12:17 PM (IDhUW)
Posted by: old chick at February 01, 2022 12:12 PM (sOete)
TBF the alerts didn't specifically state they were race related - that was MY interpretation on what was going to be said about the cause.
Posted by: Iris at February 01, 2022 12:17 PM (DibdT)
Posted by: It's me donna at February 01, 2022 12:17 PM (g43JH)
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at February 01, 2022 12:14 PM (Y5qcH)
I haven't thought about this at all, but -
assuming the same type of shell and shot size and distance to target, would each shotgun produce a distinctive and unique pattern or no? Too many other factors?
Posted by: naturalfake at February 01, 2022 12:17 PM (5NkmN)
Posted by: insurgens ad opus at February 01, 2022 12:16 PM (pfqej)[/i[
But it has electrolytes!
Posted by: blaster at February 01, 2022 12:17 PM (9otr5)
Posted by: insurgens ad opus at February 01, 2022 12:16 PM (pfqej)
You need to put that in your manifesto.
Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at February 01, 2022 12:18 PM (VzbI8)
Posted by: Puddin Head at February 01, 2022 12:18 PM (J7wri)
Posted by: insurgens ad opus at February 01, 2022 12:16 PM (pfqej)
Got a minor in philosophy?
Posted by: BignJames at February 01, 2022 12:18 PM (AwYPR)
Posted by: Blago
Depends on the degree of damage to the bullet--they do not always deform and caliber, approximate weight, etc. can be established. Sometimes firearm examiners don't provide evidence to court but to investigators as to what caliber, perhaps make of firearm to look for.
One of the gun mags has a reloads/ballistics guy that was a former firearm examiner writing a regular column. He went through the procedures and they include having a large reference library, reference firearms, bullets, and a tank to recover bullets.
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2022 12:18 PM (Iq9dF)
Posted by: insurgens ad opus at February 01, 2022 12:16 PM (pfqej)
You need to put that in your manifesto.
Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at February 01, 2022 12:18 PM (VzbI
He should title it Both Sides!
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at February 01, 2022 12:18 PM (z5Vrg)
Very easy to do as it turns out. How are you able to read my thoughts?
Posted by: Dr. Claw at February 01, 2022 12:18 PM (JTztk)
Posted by: N.L. Urker, resolved to lurking at February 01, 2022 12:19 PM (eGTCV)
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at February 01, 2022 12:19 PM (ynpvh)
Another case of attention deficiency.
Posted by: Oddbob at February 01, 2022 12:19 PM (nfrXX)
Posted by: Puddin Head at February 01, 2022 12:18 PM (J7wri)
I live near the Miss River where it's almost a mile wide. No way they're sending a diver into that. It would kill the diver.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at February 01, 2022 12:19 PM (Y5qcH)
Posted by: DB at February 01, 2022 12:19 PM (geLO8)
Posted by: It's me donna at February 01, 2022 12:19 PM (g43JH)
Posted by: Miss Issippi at February 01, 2022 12:12 PM (sI15f)
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They're close. If we give up our guns, it's over for sure. Until then, we still have a fighting chance.
But it's not going to happen without the fighting part. What's going on in several of the Free States gives me a lot of hope. The Founders, yet again, prove their genius as we can fall back on the federated system.
And I'm very hopeful for the final results of the 2022 election. I think that's going to be the final straw for a lot of Hopium addicts, when they finally realize they cannot vote their way out of tyranny.
Posted by: insurgens ad opus at February 01, 2022 12:19 PM (pfqej)
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When this time comes, it would be wise to remember Solzhenitsyn's words.
Posted by: AmericanKestrel at February 01, 2022 11:57 AM (IDhUW)
Never get out of the boat?
Posted by: flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at February 01, 2022 12:20 PM (SH2Zi)
Posted by: kraken at February 01, 2022 12:20 PM (Vr12I)
Posted by: Nova local at February 01, 2022 12:15 PM (exHjb)
Yup....a nation of layabouts getting handouts from Uncle Sugar.
It will never end, until it does.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 01, 2022 12:20 PM (KiKyV)
Many of them enthusiastically got all of the jabs, give Phizer's miracle depopulation brew some time.
Posted by: Reuben Hick at February 01, 2022 12:20 PM (lD3vL)
Tooth marks,
Oh, I don't buy that at all. Tooth patterns can be very distinctive.
Posted by: naturalfake at February 01, 2022 12:20 PM (5NkmN)
Posted by: Your betters in government at February 01, 2022 12:20 PM (0OmEj)
She still alive ?
Posted by: It's me donna at February 01, 2022 12:19 PM (g43JH)
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If Elvis comes out against Joe Rogan, then Imma gonna be done with him ...
Posted by: ShainS -- A faculty lounge, if you can keep it. at February 01, 2022 12:20 PM (hHVtf)
Posted by: Puddin Head
Oxy acetylene torch. Cut to hell.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 01, 2022 12:21 PM (uXonU)
Canadian truckers seem to be getting some political action sans firearms.
Posted by: Reuben Hick at February 01, 2022 12:21 PM (lD3vL)
Posted by: Oddbob at February 01, 2022 12:19 PM (nfrXX)
When she told the world she was gay that just got a ho hum. I mean, who ISN'T gay anymore?
So yes, an attempt at relevance.
Posted by: blaster at February 01, 2022 12:21 PM (9otr5)
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at February 01, 2022 12:21 PM (z5Vrg)
Posted by: Skip's Phone at February 01, 2022 12:21 PM (PwMUS)
Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at February 01, 2022 12:21 PM (VzbI8)
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I think you are painting with too broad a brush. Some conservatives might think that but then they aren't really conservatives, are they?
Posted by: AmericanKestrel at February 01, 2022 12:21 PM (IDhUW)
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at February 01, 2022 12:18 PM (z5Vrg)
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I've never once used the term "both sides". I find that's a phrase mostly used by "centrists" to make them feel morally and intellectually superior to "both sides", regardless of the reality of which side is the current aggressor or how much either side owns any responsibility.
Posted by: insurgens ad opus at February 01, 2022 12:21 PM (pfqej)
Posted by: Reuben Hick at February 01, 2022 12:21 PM (lD3vL)
Posted by: Puddin Head at February 01, 2022 12:18 PM (J7wri)
I live near the Miss River where it's almost a mile wide. No way they're sending a diver into that. It would kill the diver.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at February 01, 2022 12:19 PM (Y5qcH)
I used to live near the most polluted river in the US. Once, a criminal threw a gun in it, and one policeman was voluteered to go in and get it. He was massively vaxxed, wore two or three layers on his diving suit, and was in quarantine for...I think it was 40 days...afterwards. He didn't find the gun.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at February 01, 2022 12:21 PM (ynpvh)
Posted by: kraken at February 01, 2022 12:21 PM (Vr12I)
Posted by: Skip's Phone at February 01, 2022 12:22 PM (PwMUS)
Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 01, 2022 12:22 PM (dNqv+)
Posted by: DB at February 01, 2022 12:22 PM (geLO8)
assuming the same type of shell and shot size and distance to target, would each shotgun produce a distinctive and unique pattern or no? Too many other factors?
Posted by: naturalfake
Shotguns can be tricky but wads for example can include information on the barrel, you can certainly distinguish a rifled shotgun slug, and there are also marks by the firing pin, etc. from casings. Ammo also has chemicals that vary by mfg that can be detected as residue. Plus fingerprints on cartridges and magazines, and so on. Know a bit about it but far from what all a working firearm examiner does.
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2022 12:22 PM (Iq9dF)
Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at February 01, 2022 12:22 PM (5HBd1)
Tooth marks,
Oh, I don't buy that at all. Tooth patterns can be very distinctive.
Posted by: naturalfake at February 01, 2022 12:20 PM (5NkmN)
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"They can make molds from your dentist x-rays and records -- and frame your ass!" -- Dr. Hannibal Lecter
Posted by: ShainS -- A faculty lounge, if you can keep it. at February 01, 2022 12:22 PM (hHVtf)
Posted by: N.L. Urker, resolved to lurking at February 01, 2022 12:19 PM (eGTCV)
If they think they can make a murder charge - always. 18 U.S.C. § 242 (deprivation civil rights under color of law where death results) - no statute. If not, they could if they win the next term, they could look into it if they do it asap (most federal charges have 5 year statutes).
Posted by: Nova local at February 01, 2022 12:22 PM (exHjb)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at February 01, 2022 12:22 PM (V6f9+)
Posted by: Xipe Totec at February 01, 2022 12:23 PM (o2MD2)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at February 01, 2022 12:22 PM (V6f9+)
That's what sniffy Joe says. Just shoot through the door; who cares who's on the other side.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at February 01, 2022 12:23 PM (ynpvh)
She still alive ?
Posted by: It's me donna at February 01, 2022 12:19 PM (g43JH)
Her bid back to relevance by posting picks of her butch girlfriend a few months back didn't work (talk about a "well duh" moment) so this isn't surprising. Not sure exactly why they need to feel cameras pointed at them when they haven't had anything to offer for decades, but there you go.
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at February 01, 2022 12:23 PM (wAnMi)
Posted by: Xipe Totec at February 01, 2022 12:23 PM (o2MD2)
Or the charges against you...criminal, civil rights, etc...will send you up the river for 200+ years, so be a good citizen and don't fight it; just take the plea deal.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at February 01, 2022 12:24 PM (ynpvh)
He has his moments but a lot of his show is like listening to a funeral.
Posted by: ballistic at February 01, 2022 12:24 PM (oXNqT)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at February 01, 2022 12:24 PM (V6f9+)
I believe there are too many factors. In my limited experience, the spread will be a fairly predictable width with the same shell types and distance to target; but the projectiles won't land in a specific, predictable pattern.
Also, plenty of shotguns have interchangeable barrels and interchangeable chokes, which all change the pattern.
Posted by: bonhomme at February 01, 2022 12:24 PM (VCz/u)
Posted by: AmericanKestrel at February 01, 2022 12:21 PM (IDhUW)
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You tell me, AK. I used to think that, too, but these days I seem to run into more-and-more of those types. I look at the GOPe, and see nothing but that mentality.
I have come to believe that the so-called RINOs aren't the Republican politicians. It's the Republican voters.
The party has walked so far away from what their base believes, stands for, and desires that it cannot represent them. Yet, seeing no other alternative, the base keeps pulling the lever for soft socialism.
Posted by: insurgens ad opus at February 01, 2022 12:25 PM (pfqej)
Ah, thanks, whig. That was informative.
You are a gentleman and a scholar.
Posted by: naturalfake at February 01, 2022 12:25 PM (5NkmN)
Posted by: naturalfake at February 01, 2022 12:20 PM (5NkmN)
https://tinyurl.com/3umr7kxt
Your faith in the FBI is...disturbing.
Posted by: blaster at February 01, 2022 12:25 PM (9otr5)
It happens every cycle. In Texas anyway, we just expect it and plan for it. The legislatively drawn districts are a negotiating position, because a three-judge panel is going to wind up making modifications and the Supreme Court will deny cert and let it stand.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at February 01, 2022 12:25 PM (BMmaB)
Posted by: Blago at February 01, 2022 11:22 AM (PwNLq)
If you're a white Christian male, you're fugitive status is already assured.
Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at February 01, 2022 12:25 PM (Fs5vw)
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at February 01, 2022 12:21 PM (z5Vrg)
40 acres of brown Naugahyde.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 01, 2022 12:25 PM (P3gRi)
I should add, we have primaries on March 1, and guaranteed there will be some districts that will have to have special elections in the summer because the candidates elected in the primaries will be in districts that have been redrawn by the three-judge panel. Again, part of the process.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at February 01, 2022 12:27 PM (BMmaB)
Posted by: Dave in Fla at February 01, 2022 12:27 PM (rvnbR)
100%. That was objectively a terrible shoot.
Posted by: bonhomme at February 01, 2022 12:02 PM (VCz/u)
Yes, a line was crossed by the derp state where they told us they'll do whatever they damn well please and suffer no consequences. It also showed the lack of representation we have by the GOP.
Posted by: Captain Hate won't forget Michael Byrd Murdered Ashli Babbitt at February 01, 2022 12:27 PM (y7DUB)
It's not pithy enough to fit here.
Posted by: insurgens ad opus at February 01, 2022 12:28 PM (dSrpk)
He has his moments but a lot of his show is like listening to a funeral.
Posted by: ballistic at February 01, 2022 12:24 PM (oXNqT)
Ugh.
That's what made Rush so listenable. His optimism and his great sense of humor.
Posted by: naturalfake at February 01, 2022 12:29 PM (5NkmN)
Posted by: Dave in Fla at February 01, 2022 12:27 PM (rvnbR)
He dropped by this morning and seems to be doing remarkably well.
Posted by: Captain Hate won't forget Michael Byrd Murdered Ashli Babbitt at February 01, 2022 12:29 PM (y7DUB)
Posted by: blaster at February 01, 2022 12:17 PM (9otr5)
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BRAWNDO, baby!
Posted by: insurgens ad opus at February 01, 2022 12:29 PM (dSrpk)
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I only speak for myself. I do not call myself a Republican. I do say that I am conservative, sometimes classical liberal. The GOPe term arose because the GOP acts contrary to expectations.
Posted by: AmericanKestrel at February 01, 2022 12:30 PM (IDhUW)
Posted by: BignJames at February 01, 2022 12:18 PM (AwYPR)
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No. An Associates degree in Electronics Engineering. But I'm self-educated in History, Economics, and Civics. I recommend all Americans younger than 60 do the same.
Posted by: insurgens ad opus at February 01, 2022 12:31 PM (pPbv+)
Posted by: AmericanKestrel at February 01, 2022 11:57 AM (IDhUW)
Never get out of the boat?
Posted by: flounder, wrecker
Hey flounder
No, those other words.
Posted by: AmericanKestrel at February 01, 2022 12:32 PM (IDhUW)
https://tinyurl.com/3umr7kxt
Your faith in the FBI is...disturbing.
Posted by: blaster at February 01, 2022 12:25 PM (9otr5)
Okay, but that guy was a nut. Claiming he could see microscopic differences.
There's plenty of individual macroscopic variation that would make a clean bite mark identifiable. Maybe not as the only evidence to convict unless they had a really screwed up dentition. But, as additive? Sure, yeah.
I guess the larger point remains though that the FBI was using a nut to convict people.
Posted by: naturalfake at February 01, 2022 12:37 PM (5NkmN)
Posted by: insurgens ad opus at February 01, 2022 12:38 PM (pPbv+)
Posted by: insurgens ad opus at February 01, 2022 12:39 PM (pPbv+)
Posted by: insurgens ad opus at February 01, 2022 12:41 PM (pPbv+)
Good point. And those building lower 80 platforms for their own personal use, though unregistered, are easily discoverable.
Posted by: 7man at February 01, 2022 12:57 PM (qwO6y)
The task of any sort of non-voluntary confiscation is, to put it mildly, completely impossible at this point. They know it.
They want their list. They always have. They want their list so badly that it pains them at night. The thing is, their list isn't going to help them accomplish shit, except to realize the futility of any attempt to do anything with it. It's kind of a woobie to them. The list will make them feel so much better, even though it's inarguably completely useless to them.
If they've gone and created it, fine. Now what?
Posted by: Goober at February 01, 2022 03:44 PM (Hgvgt)
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