Mid-Morning Art Thread [Kris]

Cimabue Madonna.jpg

Cimabue
Madonna And Child Enthroned

Giotto Madonna.jpg

Madonna in Maest
Giotto

Comparing artworks is a good way to hone your skills at reading art (click on either image for a side-by-side view). It’s also fun. A good place to start is two works that have the same subject, such as the Madonna and Child enthroned. This was a VERY common subject in Western art for centuries, so there’s a lot of different interpretations around. These two works were created just decades apart, by a master and his student. Together, they demonstrate a shift in aesthetics from one generation to the next.

How did Cimabue and Giotto create similar works but two very different pieces?

COLOR: The palettes are similar: gold, red, and blue. In the Cimabue, gold is the dominant color. It is in the skin tones and even defines the creases and folds of Mary’s garments. Gold infuses everything and represents the holy majesty and the heavenly realm. The Giotto also uses gold, but he defuses its potency with that huge area of royal blue. He also adds other colors, mostly greens and white. The heat of Cimabue’s gold and red radiate. Giotto’s green, blue and white cool these colors down. To me, Giotto’s work is easier to look at. And the variation in color allow the eye to wander and pick out details.

COMPOSITION: Cimabue arranged his work in a very formal style. The main figure is Mary, no question. She sits dead center, facing the viewer. The angels are carefully arranged around the throne and stand on bleachers so each face and all eyes are seen. The angels pose stiffly. The four prophets under the throne occupy their narrow spaces and pose Gothically. In the Giotto, the figures are relaxed. Mixed together, the angels and prophets stand around the throne as a group. The figures overlap each other naturally. All eyes are on Mary, not the viewer. Giotto didn’t change how Mary is composed however. She is still dead center and huge, the entire focus of the work.

PROPORTION: The use of proportions here is quite simple. In both works, the main figure, Mary, is massive, while the others are smaller. In the Cimabue, Jesus is tiny, and because he has similar colors to His mother, He gets lost in her colossal form. Fortunately, her gesture helps the viewer see Him. Cimabue renders Him with the scale of an infant but the proportions of an adolescent. Giotto, however, gives Christ a more natural body for His apparent age and size. He is a chubby toddler here. He doesn’t get lost in the work and shares dominance with His mother.

PERSPECTIVE: This is the era before mathematical perspective was invented. Artists rendered three dimensional space in a way to get the idea across. Things get smaller as they recede, the viewer will get the hint. However, the figures within this setting look unnatural. They are placed in the space but don’t inhabit it. They’re just there. I think this idea is best seen in how the thrones are constructed. I think Giotto does a better job at depicting perspective, but they both look “off”. They demonstrate the influence of Byzantine/Gothic art styles that still dominated the era.

LIGHTING: In terms of lighting, Cimabue uses a straight on soft light to highlight faces and give his figures some definition. The highlights of Mary’s garment are just gold lines that symbolize the fold and creases of a garment. Shadows are black or darker shades of the main color with very little shading. Giotto is very different. His highlights and shadows blend gently and seamlessly. He uses lighting to drape Mary in rich blue and demonstrates where the cloth covers her knees and where the white top falls over her breasts. Christ’s form is also well-defined. The pink garment defines his baby fat. It bunches up and spread out where it’s supposed to. Same with the robes of the two angels in green to the sides. Giotto’s figures have mass.

Comparisons in art give the viewer an understanding of why some works or artists were trailblazers and innovators and why certain works or movements were important. These two paintings are an example of a change in thinking from older medieval ideas where art represents the abstract and eternal, to the ideals that evolved into the Renaissance. Both works are altarpieces, intended to guide the worshipper. Where Cimabue’s work is formal, stiff, lofty, straight-forward and flat, Giotto’s is warm and relaxed. Giotto’s work still communicates majesty, but he brings a tenderness and naturalism to the subject. Mary is real and three-dimensional.

Cimabue’s figures feel separated from us, on another plane. They look out at us and we look back at them like we’re watching a staged tableau. They are there and we are here. In the Giotto, the angels and prophets look at Mary, like us. The viewer feels a part of the group and joins them in veneration. The front angels kneel, like the viewer, before the throne but to the side so our view is unobstructed. We are included in the worship and it becomes personal and communal.

Posted by: Open Blogger at 09:30 AM




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1 hiya

Posted by: JT at January 26, 2022 09:31 AM (arJlL)

2 Baby Jesus is a little chunky.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at January 26, 2022 09:31 AM (bVYXr)

3 Not one happy face n the bunch

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at January 26, 2022 09:31 AM (HaPdD)

4 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - Death Sucks at January 26, 2022 09:31 AM (Zz0t1)

5 The original NPC's? They all have the same face.

Posted by: Sponge - Death Sucks at January 26, 2022 09:32 AM (Zz0t1)

6 Great explanation of the paintings, thanks!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Lie back and think of the sweet graft! ~ at January 26, 2022 09:32 AM (hOUT3)

7 Can't wait for a "restoration" that makes the infant Jesus look like Curious George.

Posted by: PabloD at January 26, 2022 09:32 AM (n9B4L)

8 Jesus dressed in pink and has boobs.

Posted by: Sponge - Death Sucks at January 26, 2022 09:32 AM (Zz0t1)

9 Angels are clones?

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 26, 2022 09:33 AM (4I/2K)

10 Thanks Kris!

Posted by: Tonypete at January 26, 2022 09:33 AM (mD/uy)

11 In the Giotto, Mary's robe looks like velvet.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 26, 2022 09:33 AM (txdEq)

12 Baby Jesus is looking like Carroll O'Connor in the 2nd painting.

Would Not Hang Either.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 26, 2022 09:34 AM (a5d7/)

13 Sweet baby Jesus rocking the baby beard.

Posted by: rhennigantx at January 26, 2022 09:34 AM (yrol0)

14 Jesus dressed in pink and has boobs.
Posted by: Sponge - Death Sucks at January 26, 2022 09:32 AM (Zz0t1)

He buffs out later in life.

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 26, 2022 09:34 AM (4I/2K)

15 The men at the bottom of the first painting are not happy with the guy in the black shirt.

"Does anyone else have something to add?"
"Yes, I do. Can we turn back to the slide where..."

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 26, 2022 09:34 AM (F4b8f)

16 They all look wooden!

Posted by: OrangeEnt at January 26, 2022 09:34 AM (7bRMQ)

17 Kris be smart.

Almost too smart.

But she has the ability to write in a manner where I can learn from her.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice. Asymptomatic raycist at January 26, 2022 09:35 AM (3D/fK)

18 More Icons, I like

Posted by: Skip's Phone at January 26, 2022 09:35 AM (O7mKc)

19 Top pic:

"This is my baby. Thoughts?"

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at January 26, 2022 09:35 AM (KbCG3)

20 Why does Jesus look like a tiny middle-aged man?

Posted by: Guy Smiley at January 26, 2022 09:35 AM (njfCw)

21
Why does Baby Jesus always have his right hand raised in a Kung Fu Death Grip?

Minions of Satan, Beware!

Posted by: naturalfake at January 26, 2022 09:35 AM (5NkmN)

22 On the second painting the 2 angels appear to be mirror images in the face and hands. Pretty neat.

Posted by: rhennigantx at January 26, 2022 09:36 AM (yrol0)

23 Thanks Kris

Posted by: rhennigantx at January 26, 2022 09:36 AM (yrol0)

24 Cimabue's figures feel separated from us, on another plane. They look out at us and we look back at them like we're watching a staged tableau. They are there and we are here.


I like this one better. It has a more Orthodox icon feel to it, which is appealing to me. Would hang the first, but not the second.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 26, 2022 09:36 AM (45fpk)

25 Baby Jesus is looking like Carroll O'Connor in the 2nd painting.

Would Not Hang Either.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 26, 2022


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To me, He looks more like Paul Giamotti or Paul Sorvino.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 26, 2022 09:37 AM (txdEq)

26 The top one looks pretty Pepi to me!

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at January 26, 2022 09:37 AM (UHVv4)

27 The first painting is extremely reminiscent of the religious icons in my Father's Eastern Orthodox Church.

Posted by: Archer at January 26, 2022 09:37 AM (gmo/4)

28 What I don't like about either work is the complete lack of joy. Everybody looks like they have corn cob up their asses.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at January 26, 2022 09:37 AM (o2MD2)

29 In Cimabue's work, the scholars at the bottom appear to be annoyed. Anything to that or am I misreading their faces?

Posted by: Tonypete at January 26, 2022 09:37 AM (mD/uy)

30
Cimabue


So, close and yet so far from "Cinnabon" and thus immortal fame!

Sad.

Posted by: naturalfake at January 26, 2022 09:37 AM (5NkmN)

31 Jesus is doing the "TWO GENDERS" hand-signal.

I am literally shaking right now.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at January 26, 2022 09:38 AM (njfCw)

32 To me, He looks more like Paul Giamotti or Paul Sorvino.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 26, 2022 09:37 AM (txdEq)

When all your models are Wops, your painting looks like Wops.

Posted by: rhennigantx at January 26, 2022 09:38 AM (yrol0)

33 She's no "Woman In The Rain", that's for sure. I wonder if people even liked art when it looked like this. Very wooden and mechanical.

Posted by: t-bird at January 26, 2022 09:38 AM (1vynn)

34 How much of the additional colors has to do with the availability of new colors? Or the degradation of colors we just can't see on the painting anymore.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 26, 2022 09:38 AM (F4b8f)

35 As paintings go, both are kind of ugly. Complete lack of human expression.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 26, 2022 09:38 AM (P3gRi)

36 I like this one better. It has a more Orthodox icon feel to it, which is appealing to me. Would hang the first, but not the second.
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You've lost your perspective, Grammie!

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at January 26, 2022 09:38 AM (UHVv4)

37 Thanks Kris!
Posted by: Tonypete

Seconded !

Posted by: JT at January 26, 2022 09:38 AM (arJlL)

38 Iconic.

Posted by: Pete in Texas at January 26, 2022 09:38 AM (LIvYW)

39 16 They all look wooden!
Posted by: OrangeEnt at January 26, 2022 09:34 AM (7bRMQ)

Yeah. Even Giotto is still working within the Gothic influence even as he tries to innovate.

Posted by: Kris at January 26, 2022 09:38 AM (OyyDO)

40 How large are the panels?

Posted by: redridinghood at January 26, 2022 09:39 AM (NpAcC)

41 More Icons, I like
Posted by: Skip's Phone

Likons !

Posted by: JT at January 26, 2022 09:39 AM (arJlL)

42 Why does Baby Jesus always have his right hand raised in a Kung Fu Death Grip?

Minions of Satan, Beware!
Posted by: naturalfake

It's Jesus' version of a knife hand.

You don't want to mess with Jesus' knife hand.

Posted by: Tonypete at January 26, 2022 09:39 AM (mD/uy)

43 Kris be smart.

Almost too smart.

But she has the ability to write in a manner where I can learn from her.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice. Asymptomatic raycist at January 26, 2022 09:35 AM (3D/fK)



Some have found their niche.

Some of us haven't.

Posted by: Sponge - Death Sucks at January 26, 2022 09:39 AM (Zz0t1)

44 She's no "Woman In The Rain", that's for sure. I wonder if people even liked art when it looked like this. Very wooden and mechanical.
Posted by: t-bird at January 26, 2022


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Wikiart was centuries in the future, so they had little choice.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 26, 2022 09:39 AM (txdEq)

45 I-con,
You-con,
We all-con for....

KHAAAAAN!!!!

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at January 26, 2022 09:40 AM (dfRN6)

46 43
Some have found their niche.

Some of us haven't.
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Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 26, 2022 09:40 AM (LvTSG)

47 There appears to be a lot of inbreeding amongst the celestials.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at January 26, 2022 09:40 AM (6liew)

48 We've boxed ourselves in!

Posted by: First Painting Architects at January 26, 2022 09:41 AM (7bRMQ)

49 29 In Cimabue's work, the scholars at the bottom appear to be annoyed. Anything to that or am I misreading their faces?
Posted by: Tonypete at January 26, 2022 09:37 AM (mD/uy)

I think the artist is going for the "Hey, worship is serious business" idea. Can't have the saints smiling.

Posted by: Kris at January 26, 2022 09:41 AM (OyyDO)

50 Oh that one guy doesn't like the other guy. And look at that stink eye! Then the hand gesture! 'Just shut up! nobody cares what you thing, shut up!' And it's the same angel everywhere! Cut and paste?? Holy Tao, what passed fore arte in those days.

Posted by: Guginheim at January 26, 2022 09:41 AM (OOUsj)

51 "They demonstrate the influence of Byzantine/Gothic art styles that still dominated the era."

I love the juxtaposition of the two, thanks! My first thought on viewing them was that Cimabue's painting still appeared very Byzantine, in keeping with all of their stylistic conventions. Giotto, who was born in 1267 (it's easy to forget how far back he was) is the first western artist to begin to move past the old Byzantine styles. Not to mention that he's much more talented; Giotto's faces look like they belong to real people, not wooden dummies.

I have a Christmas Story book called "The Glorious Impossible", decorated by pictures of fresco work done by Giotto in the Scrovegni Chapel. They are magnificently beautiful.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 26, 2022 09:41 AM (evAgx)

52 Why does Baby Jesus always have his right hand raised in a Kung Fu Death Grip?




Gang signs.

The Nazarene Disciples.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at January 26, 2022 09:41 AM (ifUkZ)

53 Makes me think of the Byzantine Empire when I look at it, and I know it is not Byzantine in fact. Point being, it is frozen and somehow lifeless, and very very remote for me.

Posted by: kraken at January 26, 2022 09:42 AM (6Je/Q)

54 40 How large are the panels?

Wiki says 385 cm × 223 cm (152 in × 88 in)

Posted by: Guy Smiley at January 26, 2022 09:42 AM (njfCw)

55 49 29 In Cimabue's work, the scholars at the bottom appear to be annoyed. Anything to that or am I misreading their faces?
Posted by: Tonypete at January 26, 2022 09:37 AM (mD/uy)

I think the artist is going for the "Hey, worship is serious business" idea. Can't have the saints smiling.
Posted by: Kris at January 26, 2022 09:41 AM (OyyDO)

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University politics: the early years.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 26, 2022 09:42 AM (LvTSG)

56 There appears to be a lot of inbreeding amongst the celestials.
Posted by: Dr. Bone at January 26, 2022 09:40 AM (6liew)
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That's exactly what I was thinking.

Posted by: redridinghood at January 26, 2022 09:42 AM (NpAcC)

57 Cimabue, Maestà or Santa Trinita Madonna and Child Enthroned, 1280-90, tempera on panel, 385 x 223 cm (Galleria degli Uffizi, Florence)

151 by 83 inches.

So about 13 by 7 feets.

Posted by: rhennigantx at January 26, 2022 09:42 AM (yrol0)

58
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Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 26, 2022 09:40 AM (LvTSG)



You can put an eye out with those things.

Posted by: Sponge - Death Sucks at January 26, 2022 09:42 AM (Zz0t1)

59 This reminds me of all those kids who scribble the same Yu Gi Oh or Pokemon characters on their binders all day at school -- simplistic, rote depictions of a thing that looks like a thing. And they get pretty good at it. But it doesn't make them artists because they can draw the same characters in their sleep.

These friezes, to me, are the same thing. The faces are all the same. There's not even an attempt to show individuality or render any kind of humanity. It's got the artistic value of a bread truck logo.

Posted by: red speck at January 26, 2022 09:42 AM (gS3OW)

60 For me, Cimabue looks closer (but not exactly the same) to Byzantine art.

I'm Eastern Orthodox so I'm very used to this kind of look for holy figures (heavy gold, formal composition, "grown up" looking baby Jesus, etc.) from icons.

Giotto's definitely looks further away from/more modern than the Byzantine style, but for me the choices seem so odd -- the sheer clothing on the baby, the angels and prophets not looking out at the viewer.

I greatly prefer Cimabue's work to Giotto's.

Posted by: Venus at January 26, 2022 09:43 AM (YVBLw)

61 56 There appears to be a lot of inbreeding amongst the celestials.
Posted by: Dr. Bone at January 26, 2022 09:40 AM (6liew)
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That's exactly what I was thinking.
Posted by: redridinghood at January 26, 2022 09:42 AM (NpAcC)

God makes 'em by the million, rolling off his production line.

Posted by: kraken at January 26, 2022 09:44 AM (6Je/Q)

62 They don't look like they would be fun at a party

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at January 26, 2022 09:44 AM (HaPdD)

63 Paintings in this time period seem to most often depict Jesus as an infant. I wonder why? Why not as an adult? I'd like to see more table-tossing or grilling fish on the beach.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 26, 2022 09:44 AM (45fpk)

64 They all look wooden!
Posted by: OrangeEnt

Madonna and Jesus are sitting on the Jenga Throne.

Posted by: stu-mick-o-sucks at January 26, 2022 09:44 AM (WFMLs)

65 I like this one better. It has a more Orthodox icon feel to it, which is appealing to me. Would hang the first, but not the second.
Posted by: grammie winger at January 26, 2022 09:36 AM (45fpk)

It's interesting how different people's tastes are. That's one of the more fascinating things about art appreciation. Giotto's ideas here blew peoples' minds at the time. He is considered the Father of the Renaissance because of them.

Posted by: Kris at January 26, 2022 09:44 AM (OyyDO)

66 This is the era before mathematical perspective was invented.
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How could they? It's a vanishing point not an appearance point!

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at January 26, 2022 09:44 AM (UHVv4)

67 Thank you Kris
Great art appreciation lesson!

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at January 26, 2022 09:45 AM (lCui1)

68 I think these two painting foretell the supply chain issues of 2022.

The account managers are at the bottom of the first painting. The actual deliveries are made in the second paining.

Except for the stuff that was looted from the caravans that passed through LA. That shit is gone.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at January 26, 2022 09:45 AM (ifUkZ)

69 The four dudes at the bottom of the first painting look pissed that they've been relegated to the basement when the party's upstairs.

Posted by: red speck at January 26, 2022 09:45 AM (gS3OW)

70 No boobs. Not iconic.

Posted by: Puddin Head at January 26, 2022 09:45 AM (bA3Ln)

71
Why not as an adult? I'd like to see more table-tossing or grilling fish on the beach.
Posted by: grammie winger at January 26, 2022 09:44 AM (45fpk)

________

Jesus volunteering at the K of C fish fry.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 26, 2022 09:45 AM (/U27+)

72 69 The four dudes at the bottom of the first painting look pissed that they've been relegated to the basement when the party's upstairs.

They're unvaxxed.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at January 26, 2022 09:46 AM (njfCw)

73 Is that Mitch McConnell in the background of the second painting. The one without the halo?

Posted by: Capital Eff at January 26, 2022 09:46 AM (GYllL)

74 Gi! You forgot to paint the back of this thing!

Posted by: Second Painting Guys in the Back at January 26, 2022 09:46 AM (7bRMQ)

75 40 How large are the panels?

Wiki says 385 cm 223 cm (152 in 88 in)

Posted by: Guy Smiley at January 26, 2022 09:42 AM (njfCw)
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That's a lot larger than I thought it was.

Posted by: redridinghood at January 26, 2022 09:46 AM (NpAcC)

76 Seen a miniature set of a Icon with 2 Alter boys and a Priest, would love to have one for my Russian Army

Posted by: Skip's Phone at January 26, 2022 09:46 AM (O7mKc)

77 Rejoice!

Er. Ah. Not so much.

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 26, 2022 09:47 AM (4I/2K)

78
Beard boys in Heaven's basement.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 26, 2022 09:47 AM (/U27+)

79 **********
That's a lot larger than I thought it was.
Posted by: redridinghood at January 26, 2022 09:46 AM (NpAcC)



That's what she said.

Posted by: Sponge - Death Sucks at January 26, 2022 09:47 AM (Zz0t1)

80 >>> Why does Baby Jesus always have his right hand raised in a Kung Fu Death Grip?

No, seriously, what is the meaning of it?

Posted by: fluffy at January 26, 2022 09:47 AM (tIat9)

81 Exasperated Photographer (lower pic):
You down front, can you move to the left, your halo is blocking the angels behind you...

Posted by: stu-mick-o-sucks at January 26, 2022 09:48 AM (WFMLs)

82 80 >>> Why does Baby Jesus always have his right hand raised in a Kung Fu Death Grip?

No, seriously, what is the meaning of it?
Posted by: fluffy at January 26, 2022 09:47 AM (tIat9)

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"All your base are belong to us."

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83 We're in desperate need of a fidget spinner expert. Are you ready to step up?
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I don't remember fidget spinners being a subject of serious discussion amongst The Horde.

Posted by: Mary Ann at January 26, 2022 09:48 AM (a3Q+t)

84 Read the content. Learnt sumpthin'. Gotta be careful around here.

Posted by: Oddbob at January 26, 2022 09:48 AM (nfrXX)

85 I wonder if Baby Jesus used a straight razor on that five o'clock shadow.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at January 26, 2022 09:48 AM (6liew)

86 49 29 In Cimabue's work, the scholars at the bottom appear to be annoyed. Anything to that or am I misreading their faces?
Posted by: Tonypete at January 26, 2022 09:37 AM (mD/uy)

I think the artist is going for the "Hey, worship is serious business" idea. Can't have the saints smiling.
Posted by: Kris at January 26, 2022 09:41 AM (OyyDO)

Given artistic conventions of the time, I would guess that the two in the center are meant to be Paul and Peter (with the crown). The two on either side would have been prophets; if we could make out the script in front of them we might know which ones.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 26, 2022 09:48 AM (evAgx)

87 84 Read the content. Learnt sumpthin'. Gotta be careful around here.
Posted by: Oddbob at January 26, 2022 09:48 AM (nfrXX)

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"SOON"
-Math

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 26, 2022 09:49 AM (LvTSG)

88 Waiting for post 100. Not about to snark on Jesus.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 26, 2022 09:49 AM (uXonU)

89 Neither artist got the relative size of a toddler's head right. Compare Madonna's head to the child's in the both pictures. On the order of 3 to 4 times the size. A typical two-year-old's head is considerably larger than half the size of an adult's.

https://tinyurl.com/mrx8axhd

Look at this chart of child's head circumference up to 36 months of age. Note how quickly it increases the first 6-12 months, then virtually stops growing by 36 months.

Posted by: Muldoon at January 26, 2022 09:49 AM (m45I2)

90 God makes 'em by the million, rolling off his production line.
Posted by: kraken at January 26, 2022 09:44 AM (6Je/Q)

I borrowed the idea.

Posted by: Harcourt Fenton Mudd at January 26, 2022 09:49 AM (4I/2K)

91 I've seen these, or paintings much like them, in Florence. I remember them as being pretty large. Can't find any dimensions. My google powers are weak.

Posted by: Javems at January 26, 2022 09:49 AM (AmoqO)

92 I'd like to see more table-tossing or grilling fish on the beach.
Posted by: grammie winger at January 26, 2022 09:44 AM (45fpk)

I used to fish in a tournament where if you caught a barracuda it was not the weight that won the pot but who could throw their fish the farthest.

Posted by: rhennigantx at January 26, 2022 09:50 AM (yrol0)

93 I see the difference. In the second painting the kid is all grown up.

Posted by: fd at January 26, 2022 09:50 AM (vrz2I)

94
Read the content. Learnt sumpthin'. Gotta be careful around here.
Posted by: Oddbob at January 26, 2022 09:48 AM (nfrXX)

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Book larnin'. Givin' yerself airs.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 26, 2022 09:50 AM (/U27+)

95 I went to Catholic Church Skoo. I got this.

Jesus's right hand is raised as a blessing. The two bent fingers symbolize Christ's divine and human natures, and the other three fingers are raised to symbolize The Trinity.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at January 26, 2022 09:50 AM (njfCw)

96 "I don't remember fidget spinners being a subject of serious discussion amongst The Horde. "

During one of Weasel's gun threads.

Covered them during a Forgotten Weapons episode, with Gun Jesus.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice. Asymptomatic raycist at January 26, 2022 09:50 AM (3D/fK)

97 Why does Baby Jesus always have his right hand raised in a Kung Fu Death Grip?

No, seriously, what is the meaning of it?
Posted by: fluffy at January 26, 2022 09:47 AM (tIat9)



Blessings. Always with the blessings.

Posted by: Sponge - Death Sucks at January 26, 2022 09:50 AM (Zz0t1)

98 I had a hard time identifying the 4 prophets at the bottom of the Cimabue. The third from the left is almost certainly David, and I think the one on the far right is John the Baptist. If someone reads Latin and knows their Bible, the ID's should be revealed in the scrolls. It'll be a quote by that specific prophet.

Posted by: Kris at January 26, 2022 09:50 AM (OyyDO)

99 91 I've seen these, or paintings much like them, in Florence. I remember them as being pretty large. Can't find any dimensions. My google powers are weak.
Posted by: Javems at January 26, 2022 09:49 AM (AmoqO)

my math was about 15 by 8 feets

Posted by: rhennigantx at January 26, 2022 09:51 AM (yrol0)

100 I used to fish in a tournament where if you caught a barracuda it was not the weight that won the pot but who could throw their fish the farthest.

Posted by: rhennigantx at January 26, 2022 09:50 AM (yrol0


HA!

Posted by: grammie winger at January 26, 2022 09:51 AM (45fpk)

101 Looking for the Angel Wings. Ah, there they are. No mention ever of angels having wings in the Bible.

Posted by: kraken at January 26, 2022 09:51 AM (6Je/Q)

102 Kris,

That was a wonderful summation of the varied aspects between the two paintings. Thank you. Applying your critique to the works makes me look at them even closer. Your observation about the Cimabue tableau vs Giotto's inclusiveness brings home the differences and improvement (to me) in technique.

It's a minor and niggling matter, but I find the way the angel's heads tilt in different ways, right and left, in the Cimabue to be distracting.

Posted by: JTB at January 26, 2022 09:51 AM (7EjX1)

103 From Cimabue and Giotto to the classic work of Lucien Freud, we appreciate the breadth and depth of your knowledge of artists and their works, Kris!

Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 26, 2022 09:52 AM (a3Q+t)

104 Yeah. Even Giotto is still working within the Gothic influence even as he tries to innovate.

Posted by: Kris at January 26, 2022 09:38 AM (OyyDO)

Oh, I just figured they were painted on panels, not canvas.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at January 26, 2022 09:52 AM (7bRMQ)

105
If someone reads Latin and knows their Bible, the ID's should be revealed in the scrolls. It'll be a quote by that specific prophet.
Posted by: Kris at January 26, 2022 09:50 AM (OyyDO)

__________

"1310 Catholic Church Hall of Fame Class"

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 26, 2022 09:52 AM (/U27+)

106 I see protestors in Ukraine entered their legislative building - they are mad about tax changes.

Note in the media they are protestors, not "neo-nazi right wing insurrectionists"

Posted by: 18-1 at January 26, 2022 09:52 AM (ESjRY)

107 I used to fish in a tournament where if you caught a barracuda it was not the weight that won the pot but who could throw their fish the farthest.

Posted by: rhennigantx at January 26, 2022 09:50 AM (yrol0



We're offended by this.

Posted by: Heart at January 26, 2022 09:53 AM (Zz0t1)

108 The first painting is extremely reminiscent of the religious icons in my Father's Eastern Orthodox Church.
Posted by: Archer at January 26, 2022 09:37 AM


It definitely has a Byzantine icon feel to it.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 26, 2022 09:53 AM (HhfIU)

109 Madonna in Giotto's painting seems vaguely classical Greek

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at January 26, 2022 09:53 AM (lCui1)

110
my math was about 15 by 8 feets
Posted by: rhennigantx at January 26, 2022


***
152" x 88" = 12.66 ft. x 7.33

Still huge.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 26, 2022 09:53 AM (txdEq)

111 101 Looking for the Angel Wings. Ah, there they are. No mention ever of angels having wings in the Bible.
Posted by: kraken at January 26, 2022 09:51 AM (6Je/Q)

untrue

Posted by: CN The First at January 26, 2022 09:53 AM (ONvIw)

112 The third from the left is almost certainly David,


I was thinking Peter, but hard to tell.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 26, 2022 09:53 AM (45fpk)

113 Kris? Yeah, she classes the place up.

Posted by: kraken at January 26, 2022 09:53 AM (6Je/Q)

114 101 Looking for the Angel Wings. Ah, there they are. No mention ever of angels having wings in the Bible.
Posted by: kraken at January 26, 2022 09:51 AM (6Je/Q)

"Oh, snap."

- Cary Grant and Jean Arthur

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at January 26, 2022 09:53 AM (dfRN6)

115 It's hard for me to believe no one has made a comment about how you fold these at the edges to reveal the hidden picture.

It's like I don't know you people sometimes.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - read closely, it's impossible to get a negative result from the free COVID tests at January 26, 2022 09:54 AM (R8KJo)

116 I used to fish in a tournament where if you caught a barracuda it was not the weight that won the pot but who could throw their fish the farthest.

Posted by: rhennigantx at January 26, 2022
*
We're offended by this.
Posted by: Heart at January 26, 2022


***
Girls, just keep your dog from attacking that butterfly, will you?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 26, 2022 09:54 AM (txdEq)

117 111
untrue
Posted by: CN The First at January 26, 2022 09:53 AM (ONvIw)

Really?

Posted by: kraken at January 26, 2022 09:54 AM (6Je/Q)

118
Kris? Yeah, she classes the place up.
Posted by: kraken at January 26, 2022 09:53 AM (6Je/Q)

_________

*hacks loogie on sidewalk*

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 26, 2022 09:54 AM (/U27+)

119

Basement Jooos look pissed!

Posted by: Johnny Noir at January 26, 2022 09:54 AM (mZpPn)

120 Conversation among the guys below;

"I told you we shoulda got a reservation! But, noooo. 'This is Heaven there's a place for everyone. And now look where we are...2nd Tier Heaven! 2nd Tier!

No raisins in our rice pudding. Fucking Beyond Meat Burgers instead of steaks! Pat Boone singing in the lounge! Pat Fucking Boone! And they don't even shake your Manhattans. And we don't even get Manhattans. We get White Claw! Fucking White Claw! Oh! Oh! And worst of all clothing from the GAP. What's that stupid thing on your head? A model of, of the Cleveland Civic Center? Fuuuuuck this, I'm going home!!!"

"Well, I for one plan to stay right here enjoy my rice pudding and Raspberry-Celery White Claw Spritzer. Hmpf!"

Posted by: naturalfake at January 26, 2022 09:54 AM (5NkmN)

121 I used to fish in a tournament where if you caught a barracuda it was not the weight that won the pot but who could throw their fish the farthest.
Posted by: rhennigantx


Awww....who could throw a Plymouth ?

Posted by: JT at January 26, 2022 09:54 AM (arJlL)

122 My take-away at first glance is only the angels in the bottom picture are keeping their eyes 'on the adoree'. The rest of the detail are surveilling the crowd. So to speak.

Posted by: Eromero at January 26, 2022 09:54 AM (0OP+5)

123 119

Basement Jooos look pissed!
Posted by: Johnny Noir at January 26, 2022 09:54 AM (mZpPn)

=======

Splitters.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 26, 2022 09:54 AM (LvTSG)

124 82 80 >>> Why does Baby Jesus always have his right hand raised in a Kung Fu Death Grip?

No, seriously, what is the meaning of it?
Posted by: fluffy at January 26, 2022 09:47 AM (tIat9)
=========
"All your base are belong to us."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 26, 2022 09:48 AM (LvTSG)

The gesture is the first two fingers raised, with the thumb touching the little finger. It's an ancient sign of Blessing which is still used by the Popes today. Although it's said to be a purely Christian gesture, I have seen ancient paintings that show it predates Christianity by at least several centuries, and was recognized in multiple cultures.

I find it fascinating that there are some hand gestures that appear to be almost universally recognized as Bad, while some are Good.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 26, 2022 09:55 AM (evAgx)

125
I entered "Throwing the baraccuda" into the Urban Dictionary and I am shocked and stunned.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at January 26, 2022 09:55 AM (njfCw)

126 Some Icons are quite miniature in size,

Posted by: Skip's Phone at January 26, 2022 09:55 AM (O7mKc)

127 It's hard for me to believe no one has made a comment about how you fold these at the edges to reveal the hidden picture.

It's like I don't know you people sometimes.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - read closely, it's impossible to get a negative result from the free COVID tests at January 26, 2022 09:54 AM (R8KJo)

I get this reference. Benefits of a misspent youth.

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 26, 2022 09:55 AM (4I/2K)

128 Exodus: 25:20
Isaiah 6: 1-3
Ezekiel 1

Posted by: CN The First at January 26, 2022 09:55 AM (ONvIw)

129 The guys at the bottom of the first picture seem to be grumpylumpkins.

Posted by: banana Dream at January 26, 2022 09:55 AM (Q51xq)

130 Really?

Posted by: kraken at January 26, 2022 09:54 AM (6Je/Q)


Cherubim have wings.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 26, 2022 09:56 AM (45fpk)

131 Also willowed and past 100:

CBS reported this morning that DHS has put out a press release about "chatter" about militias threatening the power grid.

*

Wreckers.

Wreckers and kulaks that just want to torment poor unlucky President Biden.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - read closely, it's impossible to get a negative result from the free COVID tests at January 26, 2022 09:56 AM (R8KJo)

132 124 I find it fascinating that there are some hand gestures that appear to be almost universally recognized as Bad, while some are Good.
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 26, 2022 09:55 AM (evAgx)

===========

"I told them it means peace among worlds. How wild is that?"
-Rick Sanchez, flipping off the denizens of his miniverse that powers his flying car

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 26, 2022 09:56 AM (LvTSG)

133 Paintings like this always make me feel like lighting candles.

Posted by: Roy at January 26, 2022 09:56 AM (h4ai5)

134 128 Exodus: 25:20
Isaiah 6: 1-3
Ezekiel 1
Posted by: CN The First at January 26, 2022 09:55 AM (ONvIw)

I'll check it out. BRB.

Posted by: kraken at January 26, 2022 09:56 AM (6Je/Q)

135 It's a minor and niggling matter, but I find the way the angel's heads tilt in different ways, right and left, in the Cimabue to be distracting.
Posted by: JTB at January 26, 2022 09:51 AM (7EjX1)

This is the High Gothic era. Look at sculptures on cathedrals for example. Cimabue is just translating that onto his painting. And both the Gothic and Cimabue was influenced by Byzantine motifs and styles. That cramped, flat look was the style at the time.

Posted by: Kris at January 26, 2022 09:56 AM (OyyDO)

136 20 lThe cherubim shall spread out their wings above, overshadowing the mercy seat with their wings, their faces one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubim be.

Posted by: CN The First at January 26, 2022 09:56 AM (ONvIw)

137 Stylistically, and technically, these paintings appear to me to be a lot closer to Egyptian tomb art than they are to Renaissance art. The figures are more like cartoons than actual attempts to depict real people.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 26, 2022 09:56 AM (P3gRi)

138 Yes; the infant Jesus is giving a sign of blessing. Here are some other keys to hand gestures in iconic art:

https://tinyurl.com/2p97cae5

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 26, 2022 09:57 AM (dprVF)

139 Would not paint on the side of my Free Candy van.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 26, 2022 09:57 AM (yQpMk)

140 So Germany gives Ukraine military equipment, 5,000 helmets. Whoa there fellas, don't overdo it now.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at January 26, 2022 09:57 AM (HaPdD)

141 Cherubim have wings.
Posted by: grammie winger at January 26, 2022 09:56 AM


So fallen Cherubim get the 'hot' sauce?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 26, 2022 09:57 AM (a3Q+t)

142 >>> Jesus's right hand is raised as a blessing. The two bent fingers symbolize Christ's divine and human natures, and the other three fingers are raised to symbolize The Trinity.

Thanks Guy Smiley!

I was raised Unitarian Universalist (I got better) so I did not learn these things as a kid.

Posted by: fluffy at January 26, 2022 09:57 AM (tIat9)

143 Some have found their niche.

Some of us haven't.


*******

My dad used to say, "If you find a niche, scratch it!"

Posted by: Muldoon at January 26, 2022 09:57 AM (m45I2)

144 I entered "Throwing the baraccuda" into the Urban Dictionary and I am shocked and stunned.
Posted by: Guy Smiley at January 26, 2022


***
I have a feeling you could choose 2 terms at random, (gerund) the (noun), and find a shocking or stunning definition somewhere in the Urban Dictionary.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 26, 2022 09:57 AM (txdEq)

145 Cherubim have wings.

(checks current "market price" of chicken wings)

Hmmmm......

Posted by: Guy Smiley at January 26, 2022 09:57 AM (njfCw)

146 "Well, I for one plan to stay right here enjoy my rice pudding and Raspberry-Celery White Claw Spritzer. Hmpf!"
Posted by: naturalfake at January 26, 2022 09:54 AM (5NkmN)

It is better to be served White Claw in Heaven than Shaken Manhattans in Hell.

Posted by: rhennigantx at January 26, 2022 09:57 AM (yrol0)

147 Oh, I just figured they were painted on panels, not canvas.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at January 26, 2022 09:52 AM (7bRMQ)

It is. It's tempera on a wooden panel.

Posted by: Kris at January 26, 2022 09:58 AM (OyyDO)

148 6 In the year that King Uzziah died I saw the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up; and the train1 of his robe filled the temple. 2 Above him stood the seraphim. Each had six wings: with two he covered his face, and with two he covered his feet, and with two he flew.

Posted by: CN The First at January 26, 2022 09:58 AM (ONvIw)

149 Choirs of angels --

Thrones, dominions, and seraphim. Interesting how the echoes of Isaiah are depicted. Thrones upon thrones, the burning wings of the seraphim and dominion of Christ and Mary.

I like both and could not choose between them, so I would hang both.

Posted by: mustbequantum at January 26, 2022 09:58 AM (MIKMs)

150 95 I went to Catholic Church Skoo. I got this.

Jesus's right hand is raised as a blessing. The two bent fingers symbolize Christ's divine and human natures, and the other three fingers are raised to symbolize The Trinity.
--------------------
So gang signs, amirite?

Posted by: Puddin Head at January 26, 2022 09:58 AM (bA3Ln)

151 85 I wonder if Baby Jesus used a straight razor on that five o'clock shadow.
Posted by: Dr. Bone at January 26, 2022 09:48 AM (6liew)

Unfortunately, Giotto had to use Baby Luigi Francioni as his artists model.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 26, 2022 09:58 AM (evAgx)

152 I would no-sh*t love to see a joking meta (I think that's the cool word to use these days) art exhibit in an inner city with images like this, and descriptions by famous, recognizable icons from the community.

BUNCHA GREEK HOMOS
- Reverend Al Sharpton

Posted by: Moron Robbie - read closely, it's impossible to get a negative result from the free COVID tests at January 26, 2022 09:59 AM (R8KJo)

153 So Germany gives Ukraine military equipment, 5,000 helmets. Whoa there fellas, don't overdo it now.
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at January 26, 2022 09:57 AM


Don't sneer. Those World War I Stahlhelms with the spike have collector value.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 26, 2022 09:59 AM (a3Q+t)

154 140 So Germany gives Ukraine military equipment, 5,000 helmets. Whoa there fellas, don't overdo it now.
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at January 26, 2022 09:57 AM (HaPdD)

Get a helmet

Put it on

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vDWAbvguGs

Posted by: rhennigantx at January 26, 2022 09:59 AM (yrol0)

155 134 128 Exodus: 25:20
Isaiah 6: 1-3
Ezekiel 1
Posted by: CN The First at January 26, 2022 09:55 AM (ONvIw)

I'll check it out. BRB.
Posted by: kraken at January 26, 2022 09:56 AM (6Je/Q)

Oh, right you are, CN. The cherubim, up in heaven in the OT! Nice call. I stand corrected.

Posted by: kraken at January 26, 2022 10:00 AM (6Je/Q)

156 Sean Payton has plenty of options for how he will spend next fall, but one will not be coaching the New Orleans Saints.

Posted by: SMOD at January 26, 2022 10:00 AM (RHGPo)

157 I was raised Unitarian Universalist (I got better) so I did not learn these things as a kid.
Posted by: fluffy at January 26, 2022


***
I wasn't raised anything at all, and never heard of the Stations of the Cross until I was an adult. This despite growing up among Catholics, living in a strongly Catholic city, and living as a kid only 3 blocks from a famous cathedral.

(To be fair, someone might have mentioned the tradition at some point, and I just was not paying attention.)

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 26, 2022 10:00 AM (txdEq)

158 Why does Baby Jesus always have his right hand raised in a Kung Fu Death Grip?
*****************************

The hand gesture symbolizes the name Jesus Christ in ancient Greek

IC XC are the first and last letters of Jesus and Christ in Greek -- I tried to use Greek alphabet to show you but the platform will not let me, but Jesus in Greek is spelled with Iota first (sounds like Joshua) and Christ is spelled Xristos (using Roman letters).

Index finger points up = I
Middle finger curved = C
Fourth finger crosses over thumb = X
Little finger curved similar to middle = C

Posted by: Venus at January 26, 2022 10:00 AM (YVBLw)

159 CBS reported this morning that DHS has put out a press release about "chatter" about militias threatening the power grid.

*

Wreckers.

Wreckers and kulaks that just want to torment poor unlucky President Biden.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - read closely, it's impossible to get a negative result from the free COVID tests at January 26, 2022 09:56 AM (R8KJo)

"OK everybody, on my signal, we all plug in our electric cars to charge. 3, 2, 1..."

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 26, 2022 10:00 AM (P3gRi)

160 Nehemiah 8:10 NIV

Nehemiah said, "Go and enjoy choice food and sweet drinks, and send some to those who have nothing prepared. This day is holy to our Lord. Do not grieve, for the joy of the LORD is your strength."

Posted by: SMOD at January 26, 2022 10:01 AM (RHGPo)

161 I wonder if Baby Jesus used a straight razor on that five o'clock shadow.
Posted by: Dr. Bone at January 26, 2022


***
Some Tabac soap and a vintage adjustable Gillette would have taken care of it.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 26, 2022 10:01 AM (txdEq)

162 Thank you OB for this teaching moment. It lifted me up from the cesspool of daily news stories. Edifying and enriching. Please do this again.

Posted by: 7man at January 26, 2022 10:02 AM (qwO6y)

163 Kris art posts always class up the joint.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 26, 2022 10:02 AM (DU+/6)

164 Index finger points up = I
Middle finger curved = C
Fourth finger crosses over thumb = X
Little finger curved similar to middle = C

Posted by: Venus at January 26, 2022 10:00 AM (YVBLw)


The things I learn here.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 26, 2022 10:02 AM (45fpk)

165 Did Nehemiah invent Nehi soda? I always liked the peach Nehi myself.

Posted by: kraken at January 26, 2022 10:02 AM (6Je/Q)

166 CBS reported this morning that DHS has put out a press release about "chatter" about militias threatening the power grid.

I suspect they found a couple preppers talking about how the big blue shitholes will starve when the power goes out.

And...that's not a threat but a prediction, but the feds can and do pretend.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 26, 2022 10:02 AM (ESjRY)

167 Hmm, where is that first one located? I feel like I've seen it in person.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at January 26, 2022 10:02 AM (rvnbR)

168 So Germany gives Ukraine military equipment, 5,000 helmets

Germany's secret cloning lab:
Ach, we thought you ordered 5,000 Helmut Schmidts!

Posted by: stu-mick-o-sucks at January 26, 2022 10:02 AM (WFMLs)

169 In the year that King Uzziah died I saw the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up; and the train1 of his robe filled the temple. 2 Above him stood the seraphim. Each had six wings: with two he covered his face, and with two he covered his feet, and with two he flew.
Posted by: CN


Ain't getting far without looking where he's going.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 26, 2022 10:02 AM (uXonU)

170 Virginia: Afghan Convicted of Sexually Assaulting 3-Year-Old Girl, Says it's Allowed in His Culture

-
Right. Like you have a culture.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Stupid Son of a Bitch at January 26, 2022 10:03 AM (FVME7)

171 131 Also willowed and past 100:
CBS reported this morning that DHS has put out a press release about "chatter" about militias threatening the power grid.
*
Wreckers.
Wreckers and kulaks that just want to torment poor unlucky President Biden.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - read closely, it's impossible to get a negative result from the free COVID tests at January 26, 2022 09:56 AM (R8KJo)
*cough* black swan *cough

Posted by: Eromero at January 26, 2022 10:03 AM (0OP+5)

172 Virginia: Afghan Convicted of Sexually Assaulting 3-Year-Old Girl, Says it's Allowed in His Culture

Old enough to count...

Posted by: Endorsed by Muhammed at January 26, 2022 10:04 AM (ESjRY)

173 Senate Democrats say a proposal to raise the cap on state and local tax (SALT) deductions, a top priority of Senate Majority Leader Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.), is likely to be cut from the revised Build Back Better Act.

.. the party of the wealthy can't get everything

Posted by: SMOD at January 26, 2022 10:04 AM (RHGPo)

174 The militias of N Korean, Chinese and Russian hackers are the only ones threatening the power grid

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at January 26, 2022 10:04 AM (HaPdD)

175 126 Some Icons are quite miniature in size,
Posted by: Skip's Phone at January 26, 2022 09:55 AM (O7mKc)

Icons could be decent size, but in many cases they were kept portable. Altarpieces like these were not intended to be moved much, and they were intended to be seen. They can be quite large. It's amazing how big some of these works can get. You really can't fathom it from a book or a computer screen. You really have to see them in person sometimes. The Ghent Altarpiece is on my must see list.

Posted by: Kris at January 26, 2022 10:04 AM (OyyDO)

176 100 I used to fish in a tournament where if you caught a barracuda it was not the weight that won the pot but who could throw their fish the farthest.

Posted by: rhennigantx at January 26, 2022 09:50 AM (yrol0

HA!

Posted by: grammie winger at January 26, 2022 09:51 AM (45fpk)

I have seen one actually cooked and served. I did not partake.

Posted by: Javems at January 26, 2022 10:05 AM (AmoqO)

177 172 Virginia: Afghan Convicted of Sexually Assaulting 3-Year-Old Girl, Says it's Allowed in His Culture

Old enough to count...
Posted by: Endorsed by Muhammed at January 26, 2022 10:04 AM (ESjRY)

...old enough to mount

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Wrecker. Hoarder. at January 26, 2022 10:05 AM (II3Gr)

178 173 Senate Democrats say a proposal to raise the cap on state and local tax (SALT) deductions, a top priority of Senate Majority Leader Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.), is likely to be cut from the revised Build Back Better Act.

.. the party of the wealthy can't get everything
Posted by: SMOD at January 26, 2022 10:04 AM (RHGPo)

==========

That they have not passed a single page bill that undoes the change in the SALT deduction is one of the most curious things about this entire Congress.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 26, 2022 10:05 AM (LvTSG)

179 175 126 Some Icons are quite miniature in size,
Posted by: Skip's Phone at January 26, 2022 09:55 AM (O7mKc)

Icons could be decent size, but in many cases they were kept portable. Altarpieces like these were not intended to be moved much, and they were intended to be seen. They can be quite large. It's amazing how big some of these works can get. You really can't fathom it from a book or a computer screen. You really have to see them in person sometimes. The Ghent Altarpiece is on my must see list.
Posted by: Kris at January 26, 2022 10:04 AM (OyyDO)


Nowadays Kris, they need to fit on our screens, after all.

Posted by: kraken at January 26, 2022 10:06 AM (6Je/Q)

180 Who watched CNN and MSNBC during the Trump presidency?

Were the news readers (not the "analysts") ALWAYS saying PRESIDENT Trump when reporting, or were they OFTEN dropping it to say just TRUMP?

Posted by: Mr Gaga at January 26, 2022 10:06 AM (KiBMU)

181 I wonder if Baby Jesus used a straight razor on that five o'clock shadow.
Posted by: Dr. Bone


*********

Doubt it.

Luke 21:18
But there shall not an hair of your head perish.

Posted by: Muldoon at January 26, 2022 10:06 AM (m45I2)

182 It's part of our culture. It's who we are.

Posted by: Joe Biden at January 26, 2022 10:06 AM (todmg)

183 Index finger points up = I
Middle finger curved = C
Fourth finger crosses over thumb = X
Little finger curved similar to middle = C

Posted by: Venus

The things I learn here.
Posted by: grammie winger

Baby Jesus throwing Trey 8's gang sign.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 26, 2022 10:06 AM (uXonU)

184 Horde,

We are in the end times. QFC is out of tofu for my order today, among a lot of other things.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at January 26, 2022 10:06 AM (YynYJ)

185 >>>Virginia: Afghan Convicted of Sexually Assaulting 3-Year-Old Girl, Says it's Allowed in His Culture

>Coming to a Biden Administration refugee resettlement near you.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at January 26, 2022 10:06 AM (6liew)

186 I looked at those stained-glass Stations of the Cross windows in church so many times I had every detail of every panel memorized.

We had an ancient, boring and long-winded priest who was there forever. I used to pray for the occasions when we got one of those younger, hipper visiting priests.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at January 26, 2022 10:07 AM (njfCw)

187 I never thought I'd say this, but Robert F Kennedy Jr is a Kennedy I kinda respect.

Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at January 26, 2022 10:07 AM (rz+/y)

188 The militias of N Korean, Chinese and Russian hackers are the only ones threatening the power grid
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at January 26, 2022 10:04 AM (HaPdD)

And their co-religionists, the greentards who shut down reliable generating plants like coal and nuclear, in favor of unreliable generation such as solar and wind, at the same time they are vastly increasing demand by peddling electric cars, and banning the use of natural gas for home heating.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 26, 2022 10:07 AM (P3gRi)

189 187 ditto

Posted by: CN The First at January 26, 2022 10:08 AM (ONvIw)

190 I'm amazed by what a great job Giotto did with Mary's face - it looks like Mona Lisa Vito is staring back at you, saying "Yeah? Wadda you want?"

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 26, 2022 10:08 AM (evAgx)

191 Put the helmet on day! Hahahahaha!

Posted by: Archer at January 26, 2022 10:09 AM (gmo/4)

192 I have seen one actually cooked and served. I did not partake.
Posted by: Javems at January 26, 2022 10:05 AM (AmoqO)

I've always heard that you absolutely do not eat barracuda.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 26, 2022 10:09 AM (UuD2k)

193 I never thought I'd say this, but Robert F Kennedy Jr is a Kennedy I kinda respect.
Posted by: Blutarski,

Is he "of the blood", or no relation?

Posted by: rickb223 at January 26, 2022 10:09 AM (uXonU)

194 Why does Baby Jesus always have his right hand raised in a Kung Fu Death Grip?

He's straight Crippin', yo.

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Wrecker. Hoarder. at January 26, 2022 10:09 AM (II3Gr)

195 170

'it's Allowed in His Culture'

Well, let's give him a punishment from his culture.
(Looks on eBay for sharpened scimitar).

Posted by: Dr. Claw at January 26, 2022 10:09 AM (vNbzm)

196 186 I looked at those stained-glass Stations of the Cross windows in church so many times I had every detail of every panel memorized.

We had an ancient, boring and long-winded priest who was there forever. I used to pray for the occasions when we got one of those younger, hipper visiting priests.
Posted by: Guy Smiley at January 26, 2022 10:07 AM (njfCw)

I grew up in a Baptist church. No decoration of any kind. We had off-white walls and colored, geometric windows. You can only read the bulletin so many times.

Posted by: Kris at January 26, 2022 10:09 AM (OyyDO)

197 I never thought I'd say this, but Robert F Kennedy Jr is a Kennedy I kinda respect.
Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at January 26, 2022 10:07 AM (rz+/y)

He is the proverbial blind hog that found an acorn.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 26, 2022 10:09 AM (P3gRi)

198 A bug or a feature?

https://tinyurl.com/2p88jx6n

Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at January 26, 2022 10:10 AM (rz+/y)

199 I've always heard that you absolutely do not eat barracuda.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 26, 2022


***
They're savage, ugly fish, but I'd not heard that. Are they gamy or unpleasant-tasting, or poisonous in some way?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 26, 2022 10:10 AM (txdEq)

200 192 I have seen one actually cooked and served. I did not partake.
Posted by: Javems at January 26, 2022 10:05 AM (AmoqO)

I've always heard that you absolutely do not eat barracuda.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 26, 2022 10:09 AM (UuD2k)

Something about mercury?

Posted by: kraken at January 26, 2022 10:10 AM (6Je/Q)

201 The one-named Kennedy on FNC is a good Kennedy. I liked her in her MTV days. She had balls, being an out rightie even then. Not that she got into politics much if at all on-air, but she sure did in interviews, and she took a lot of flak for it.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at January 26, 2022 10:10 AM (njfCw)

202 I wonder if Baby Jesus used a straight razor on that five o'clock shadow.
Posted by: Dr. Bone at January 26, 2022

***
Some Tabac soap and a vintage adjustable Gillette would have taken care of it.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 26, 2022 10:01 AM (txdEq)

That is true. I shave with exactly that daily.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at January 26, 2022 10:10 AM (o2MD2)

203 I have seen one actually cooked and served. I did not partake.
Posted by: Javems at January 26, 2022 10:05 AM (AmoqO)

The problem in the Bahamas is the cuda feed of fish that eat of the coral.

Barracuda is very susceptible to parasites and diseases. It can become infected with ichthyophonus hoferi, a parasitic flatworm that causes white spot disease in the barracuda, which eventually leads it to death. Another example of this is ciguatera poisoning from eating toxic organisms such as algae or dinoflagellates.

In people that ciguatera makes you muscles feel like they are on fire or beat on with sticks.

Posted by: rhennigantx at January 26, 2022 10:11 AM (yrol0)

204 70

'it's Allowed in His Culture'


My culture's punishment involves the laying on of a horsewhip.

Posted by: Archer at January 26, 2022 10:11 AM (gmo/4)

205 Virginia: Afghan Convicted of Sexually Assaulting 3-Year-Old Girl, Says it's Allowed in His Culture


He only deadpanned that it was allowed in his culture.

Posted by: CNN at January 26, 2022 10:11 AM (ppL7t)

206 Thank the heavens the master mentors had the good taste to not depict anything so vulgar as breastfeeding.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at January 26, 2022 10:11 AM (6liew)

207 You can only read the bulletin so many times.
Posted by: Kris at January 26, 2022 10:09 AM (OyyDO)

Hah- yep! Memorized every word of that each week too.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at January 26, 2022 10:12 AM (njfCw)

208 I grew up in a Baptist church. No decoration of any kind. We had off-white walls and colored, geometric windows. You can only read the bulletin so many times.
Posted by: Kris at January 26, 2022 10:09 AM (OyyDO)

I went to a church were man Jesus sported a crew cut and was clean shaven.

Posted by: rhennigantx at January 26, 2022 10:12 AM (yrol0)

209 where is the cookie momster?

Posted by: BifBewalski @ (IJES/) - at January 26, 2022 10:12 AM (IJES/)

210 Woah, man looking entities in space helmets.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at January 26, 2022 10:12 AM (VwHCD)

211 Cherubim have wings.

The question is whether cherubim, seraphim, and "living creatures" are the same thing as angels. I will claim ignorance but I have read theologians who argue that angels are not just any heavenly being but a very specific creation used specifically as God's messengers.

Posted by: Oddbob at January 26, 2022 10:12 AM (nfrXX)

212 196

I grew up in a Baptist church. No decoration of any kind. We had off-white walls and colored, geometric windows. You can only read the bulletin so many times.
Posted by: Kris at January 26, 2022 10:09 AM (OyyDO)

Yeah, we don't do fancy much. When I was a Presbyterian member, even they did fancier better.

Posted by: kraken at January 26, 2022 10:12 AM (6Je/Q)

213 My culture's punishment involves the laying on of a horsewhip.
Posted by: Archer at January 26, 2022 10:11 AM (gmo/4)




*wave-offers tire iron*

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 26, 2022 10:13 AM (yQpMk)

214 Something about mercury?
Posted by: kraken at January 26, 2022 10:10 AM (6Je/Q)

There is some doctors that believe the mercury get surrounded in a fat that passes through the body!

Posted by: rhennigantx at January 26, 2022 10:13 AM (yrol0)

215 Thank the heavens the master mentors had the good taste to not depict anything so vulgar as breastfeeding.
Posted by: Dr. Bone at January 26, 2022


***
I quote the Great Philosopher Al Bundy:

Fat Feminist: "Breastfeeding is totally natural!"

Al: "So is peeing, but I don't do that in public!"

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 26, 2022 10:13 AM (txdEq)

216 173 Senate Democrats say a proposal to raise the cap on state and local tax (SALT) deductions, a top priority of Senate Majority Leader Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.), is likely to be cut from the revised Build Back Better Act.

.. the party of the wealthy can't get everything
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We will be made to pay for this disobedience.

Posted by: Puddin Head at January 26, 2022 10:13 AM (bA3Ln)

217 My culture's punishment involves the laying on of a horsewhip.
Posted by: Archer at January 26, 2022 10:11 AM (gmo/4)

A stout hemp rope works too, and greatly reduces recidivism.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 26, 2022 10:13 AM (P3gRi)

218 That they have not passed a single page bill that undoes the change in the SALT deduction is one of the most curious things about this entire Congress.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 26, 2022 10:05 AM (LvTSG)

HA! One of the only good pieces of legislation passed during the Paul Ryan era. It was brilliant, and I predict will be impossible to undo. For one thing, only a small minority of States are hurt by it, those being NY and the other New England states which generally have a large, wealthy, white population who didn't mine high state taxes as long as the Feds subsidized it. Second, it's impossible to hide that doing away with it is a Tax Cut for the Rich. Republicans were *supposed* to be for that kind of thing, and now that they're not, it's impossible for the Dems to sell the idea to their base.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 26, 2022 10:14 AM (evAgx)

219 I grew up in a Baptist church. No decoration of any kind. We had off-white walls and colored, geometric windows. You can only read the bulletin so many times.
Posted by: Kris at January 26, 2022 10:09 AM (OyyDO)


Me too. Like it would be a sin to make things pretty.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 26, 2022 10:14 AM (45fpk)

220 I grew up in a Baptist church. No decoration of any kind. We had off-white walls and colored, geometric windows. You can only read the bulletin so many times.
Posted by: Kris at January 26, 2022 10:09 AM (OyyDO)

Yeah, we don't do fancy much. When I was a Presbyterian member, even they did fancier better.
Posted by: kraken at January 26, 2022 10:12 AM (6Je/Q)

So think of the first time I walked into a Catholic Church. Holy moly!

Posted by: Kris at January 26, 2022 10:14 AM (OyyDO)

221 In my painting, Mary looks like less of a man, man.

Posted by: Scottst at January 26, 2022 10:14 AM (nEDaf)

222 My culture's punishment involves the laying on of a horsewhip.
Posted by: Archer at January 26, 2022 10:11 AM (gmo/4)

Judges would have also accepted coal oil and matches, stake and ropes. Some assembly required.

Posted by: rhennigantx at January 26, 2022 10:15 AM (yrol0)

223 219 I grew up in a Baptist church. No decoration of any kind. We had off-white walls and colored, geometric windows. You can only read the bulletin so many times.
Posted by: Kris at January 26, 2022 10:09 AM (OyyDO)


Me too. Like it would be a sin to make things pretty.
Posted by: grammie winger at January 26, 2022 10:14 AM (45fpk)

Wait, you mean it's not?

Posted by: kraken at January 26, 2022 10:15 AM (6Je/Q)

224 and now that they're not, it's impossible for the Dems to sell the idea to their base.
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 26, 2022 10:14 AM (evAgx)

Objection. Assumes intelligence of the dems base that it not in evidence.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 26, 2022 10:15 AM (Y5qcH)

225 I seldom like Madonna and Child art because of the creepy baby Jesus with adult face thing. I understand it was done for theological reasons. Still creepy.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at January 26, 2022 10:16 AM (KFhLj)

226 Some Tabac soap and a vintage adjustable Gillette would have taken care of it.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 26, 2022 10:01 AM (txdEq)
*
That is true. I shave with exactly that daily.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at January 26, 2022


***
Sometimes I mix and match my soaps/creams and razors. German razor like a Merkur with Italian cream Proraso; Italian razor like a Fatip with German Tabac. Sometimes I'll use a Japanese blade, a Feather, for the true "Axis" shave!

For the Allies, you could use an American razor, a British soap, and a French aftershave.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 26, 2022 10:16 AM (txdEq)

227 That they have not passed a single page bill that undoes the change in the SALT deduction is one of the most curious things about this entire Congress.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 26, 2022 10:05 AM (LvTSG)

If anything is going to get those so-called 'moderate' Dems voted out of office, nothing is going to do that faster than getting rid of the SALT changes. A red or purple-state congresscritter will have a tough time explaining a vote to give benefits to rich voters in blue states.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 26, 2022 10:17 AM (qma9m)

228 187 I never thought I'd say this, but Robert F Kennedy Jr is a Kennedy I kinda respect.

I know what you mean. Strange times

Posted by: 7man at January 26, 2022 10:17 AM (qwO6y)

229 The question is whether cherubim, seraphim, and "living creatures" are the same thing as angels. I will claim ignorance but I have read theologians who argue that angels are not just any heavenly being but a very specific creation used specifically as God's messengers.
Posted by: Oddbob at January 26, 2022 10:12 AM (nfrXX)

Somewhere in the Aubrey/Maturin canon, Jack makes a comment about the difference between archangels and ordinary foremast angels. Always makes me smile when I come across it.

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at January 26, 2022 10:17 AM (dfRN6)

230 Flying car.

https://youtu.be/jf3I0ORN3ac

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Stupid Son of a Bitch at January 26, 2022 10:17 AM (FVME7)

231 I have read theologians who argue that angels are not just any heavenly being but a very specific creation used specifically as God's messengers.

Posted by: Oddbob at January 26, 2022 10:12 AM (nfrXX)


I think the word 'angel' means messenger in both Hebrew and Greek. Thus the 'angelical' in 'evangelical'. Good news.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 26, 2022 10:17 AM (45fpk)

232 Catholic church to a kid was like : Sit. Stand. Kneel. Sit again. Stand again. Kneel again. Now the priest is suddenly singing in Latin. Now he's not. Sit again. Stand again. Kneel again. Man, this kneel-bar thing hurts my knees. Now more singing in Latin...and suddenly not singling in Latin again. Now we're all shaking hands with each other. Sit, stand, kneel, sit, stand, kneel...Go in peace-yay!

Posted by: Guy Smiley at January 26, 2022 10:17 AM (njfCw)

233 Wakes up
Scratches
Looks around
Dang. I always like Kris' input on art. Appreciate it!
Goes looking for coffee.

Posted by: Diogenes at January 26, 2022 10:17 AM (axyOa)

234 I've always heard that you absolutely do not eat barracuda.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 26, 2022 10:09 AM (UuD2k)

Me too. This was offshore West Africa.

Posted by: Javems at January 26, 2022 10:17 AM (AmoqO)

235 Never understood the concentration on Mary, as she is certainly not a focal point of the New Testament.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at January 26, 2022 10:18 AM (o2MD2)

236 219 I grew up in a Baptist church. No decoration of any kind. We had off-white walls and colored, geometric windows. You can only read the bulletin so many times.
Posted by: Kris at January 26, 2022 10:09 AM (OyyDO)


Me too. Like it would be a sin to make things pretty.
Posted by: grammie winger at January 26, 2022 10:14 AM (45fpk)

Recently that same church has started to decorate more. Still no figurative art, but they do have inscriptions on the walls now. Our baptismal was very pretty but was kept behind curtains until in use. They finally took the curtains down. Now it looks like a nice altarpiece with a huge cross made from wood from the Mount of Olives.

Posted by: Kris at January 26, 2022 10:18 AM (OyyDO)

237 Flying car.

https://youtu.be/jf3I0ORN3ac

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Stupid Son of a Bitch at January 26, 2022 10:17 AM (FVME7)

Wake me when we have the full Jetson's.

Posted by: Archer at January 26, 2022 10:18 AM (gmo/4)

238 216 173 Senate Democrats say a proposal to raise the cap on state and local tax (SALT) deductions, a top priority of Senate Majority Leader Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.), is likely to be cut from the revised Build Back Better Act."

HA! *Now* they're talking about "revising" BBB, which Manchin had been telling them they needed to do for the last 9 months. (they ignored him) They suddenly realize that if they can get him on board, they might be able to pass something (which they should have done 9 months ago)

BUT - reports are that Manchin is so pissed off at the way they've treated him that he was refused to hold *any* talks at all with any of the other Senate Dems about what he would find "acceptable", not since early December. And as time passes, elections get close, and inflation news gets worse, the odds get increasingly more likely that *nothing* meaningful will be passed for the rest of this year.

Short version, except for the Jan 6 circus, this Congressional term is already finished.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 26, 2022 10:19 AM (evAgx)

239 You would always hear everybody start to cuss when we were out on the 1/2 day boat and the mackerel and barracuda would show up.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at January 26, 2022 10:19 AM (HaPdD)

240 Catholic church to a kid was like : Sit. Stand. Kneel. Sit again. Stand again. Kneel again. Now the priest is suddenly singing in Latin. Now he's not. Sit again. Stand again. Kneel again. Man, this kneel-bar thing hurts my knees. Now more singing in Latin...and suddenly not singling in Latin again. Now we're all shaking hands with each other. Sit, stand, kneel, sit, stand, kneel...Go in peace-yay!
Posted by: Guy Smiley at January 26, 2022


***
The whole thing still seems pretty random to me.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 26, 2022 10:19 AM (txdEq)

241 I've always heard that you absolutely do not eat barracuda.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 26, 2022 10:09 AM (UuD2k)

Me too. This was offshore West Africa.
Posted by: Javems at January 26, 2022 10:17 AM (AmoqO)

Seeing as they have much the same body plan as a Northern Pike, I expect they are real bony, even if the meat were safe to eat.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 26, 2022 10:20 AM (P3gRi)

242 I've always heard that you absolutely do not eat barracuda.

********

No. You're not supposed to eat polar bear liver.

Posted by: Muldoon at January 26, 2022 10:20 AM (m45I2)

243 227 If anything is going to get those so-called 'moderate' Dems voted out of office, nothing is going to do that faster than getting rid of the SALT changes. A red or purple-state congresscritter will have a tough time explaining a vote to give benefits to rich voters in blue states.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 26, 2022 10:17 AM (qma9m)

==========

The SALT deduction doesn't affect 95% of the population. It'd essentially be a tax cut for the rich which can be a good thing if the media decides to push it as such. Putting it back to where it was doesn't negatively affect the masses, so I can't imagine its return causing any kind of great emotional response that would sweep up moderate Democrats.

The thing is, if they're due to get swamped anyway, the SALT deduction change could probably get enough votes in both chambers of Congress and Biden's signature, giving the Democrats something for their financial base. Not even delivering on that has got to piss off no small number of big dollar donors.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 26, 2022 10:20 AM (LvTSG)

244 So think of the first time I walked into a Catholic Church. Holy moly!
Posted by: Kris at January 26, 2022 10:14 AM (OyyDO)


Same only opposite.

As a wee tad, we went to St Thomas Aquinas in Dallas. Very nice, fancy, old style but not actually old. Great smelling from years of bee's wax candles being burnt, etc.

Anyway we moved to Corpus and they had some kind of ecumenical dealio where people from different churches were supposed to attend Sunday service and another religion's church.

I think the first one was the Baptists. And when I walked in I though something like, Oh, a warehouse. Where are the tires for sale?

Anywho, I wasn't favorably impressed.

Posted by: naturalfake at January 26, 2022 10:21 AM (5NkmN)

245 Never understood the concentration on Mary, as she is certainly not a focal point of the New Testament.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at January 26, 2022


***
Mary-worship came along later, didn't it? During the 3rd or 4th century of the Christian era -- anyway after the collapse of the Western Roman Empire?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 26, 2022 10:21 AM (txdEq)

246 I grew up in a Baptist church. No decoration of any kind. We had off-white walls and colored, geometric windows. You can only read the bulletin so many times.
Posted by: Kris

Can't have sex standing up. It might lead to dancing.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 26, 2022 10:21 AM (uXonU)

247 Kris at January 26, 2022 10:18 AM (OyyDO)


My father is Eastern Orthodox my mom was Protestant. I attended both churches. Talk about culture mash up.


Also, family reunions. Think operation Barbarossa.

Posted by: Archer at January 26, 2022 10:21 AM (gmo/4)

248 So think of the first time I walked into a Catholic Church. Holy moly!

Posted by: Kris at January 26, 2022 10:14 AM (OyyDO)

The churches in Italy make the churches in the US look like crack houses. It blew my mind.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at January 26, 2022 10:21 AM (VwHCD)

249 ...or cow brains.

Posted by: Muldoon at January 26, 2022 10:22 AM (m45I2)

250 223 219 I grew up in a Baptist church. No decoration of any kind. We had off-white walls and colored, geometric windows. You can only read the bulletin so many times.
Posted by: Kris at January 26, 2022 10:09 AM (OyyDO)

Me too. Like it would be a sin to make things pretty.
Posted by: grammie winger at January 26, 2022 10:14 AM (45fpk)

Wait, you mean it's not?
Posted by: kraken at January 26, 2022 10:15 AM (6Je/Q)

That's one of the original Calvinist/Lutheran splits. Luther said that the Roman Catholic Church just needed reform, but didn't need to be completely redone. Calvin and Zwingli were true Iconoclasts of the old school, and said NO! It all has to go! Get rid of it all! For centuries, it's been a good shorthand way to tell which way a protestant denomination leans - towards Luther, or towards Calvin.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 26, 2022 10:22 AM (evAgx)

251 Seeing as they have much the same body plan as a Northern Pike, I expect they are real bony, even if the meat were safe to eat.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 26, 2022


***
So what you're saying is, they're the worst seafood meat ever to come down the Pike?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 26, 2022 10:22 AM (txdEq)

252 241 I've always heard that you absolutely do not eat barracuda.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 26, 2022 10:09 AM (UuD2k)

Me too. This was offshore West Africa.
Posted by: Javems at January 26, 2022 10:17 AM (AmoqO)

Seeing as they have much the same body plan as a Northern Pike, I expect they are real bony, even if the meat were safe to eat.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 26, 2022 10:20 AM (P3gRi)

They carry several parasite that can make you real sick!

Posted by: rhennigantx at January 26, 2022 10:22 AM (yrol0)

253 Me too. Like it would be a sin to make things pretty.
Posted by: grammie winger

Lena Dunham is a Baptist?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Stupid Son of a Bitch at January 26, 2022 10:22 AM (FVME7)

254 I think the first one was the Baptists. And when I walked in I though something like, Oh, a warehouse. Where are the tires for sale?


LOL

Posted by: grammie winger at January 26, 2022 10:22 AM (45fpk)

255 And I seem to recall something about not eating the green M&Ms.

Posted by: Muldoon at January 26, 2022 10:23 AM (m45I2)

256 Those damn preppers and wreckers and saboteurs.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 26, 2022 10:23 AM (F4b8f)

257 Can't have sex standing up. It might lead to dancing.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 26, 2022 10:21 AM (uXonU)

ha always funny

Posted by: rhennigantx at January 26, 2022 10:23 AM (yrol0)

258 255 And I seem to recall something about not eating the green M&Ms.
Posted by: Muldoon at January 26, 2022 10:23 AM (m45I2)

=========

It was the red ones, wasn't it? Something in the dye.

There's a line in Peggy Sue Got Married about it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 26, 2022 10:23 AM (LvTSG)

259 235 Never understood the concentration on Mary, as she is certainly not a focal point of the New Testament.
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Romans loved their mamas and were very used to polytheism.

Posted by: Puddin Head at January 26, 2022 10:23 AM (bA3Ln)

260 Mary-worship came along later, didn't it? During the 3rd or 4th century of the Christian era -- anyway after the collapse of the Western Roman Empire?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 26, 2022 10:21 AM (txdEq)

Mary has never been worshipped. The Western Roman Empire did not collapse in the Third or Fourth Century. Otherwise, spot on.

Posted by: Ted Torgerson at January 26, 2022 10:24 AM (vN+oL)

261 235 Never understood the concentration on Mary, as she is certainly not a focal point of the New Testament.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at January 26, 2022 10:18 AM (o2MD2)

New ark of the convenant, new adam and new eve etc. Jews regard the Patriarchs, Catholics(and similar generation Christians) regard the Apostles.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 26, 2022 10:24 AM (z5Vrg)

262 >>>Catholic church to a kid alter boy was like :

>We had an old man who was a permanent fixture in the church. He used to use the hard wooden pews as a sounding board for his flatulence and he never failed to hawk up a loogie or two and spit them on the floor.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at January 26, 2022 10:25 AM (6liew)

263 And I seem to recall something about not eating the green M&Ms.
Posted by: Muldoon at January 26, 2022 10:23 AM (m45I2)

Yeah. They are "W's". Sorry, I let a few slip by.

Posted by: Blonde QC at the candy factory. at January 26, 2022 10:25 AM (P3gRi)

264 ***
The whole thing still seems pretty random to me.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 26, 2022 10:19 AM (txdEq)
A Presbyterian at a full-out RC funeral mass is a lonely soul.

Posted by: Eromero at January 26, 2022 10:25 AM (0OP+5)

265 HAHA

Bidens Deputy National Security Adviser Says Americans Should Care About Ukraine Because
wait
wait
wait for it


Borders Should be Inviolate

Posted by: rhennigantx at January 26, 2022 10:25 AM (yrol0)

266 Catholic church to a kid was like : Sit. Stand. Kneel. Sit again. Stand again. Kneel again. Now the priest is suddenly singing in Latin. Now he's not. Sit again. Stand again. Kneel again. Man, this kneel-bar thing hurts my knees. Now more singing in Latin...and suddenly not singling in Latin again. Now we're all shaking hands with each other. Sit, stand, kneel, sit, stand, kneel...Go in peace-yay!
Posted by: Guy Smiley

Theological gymnastics.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Stupid Son of a Bitch at January 26, 2022 10:25 AM (FVME7)

267 265 Borders Should be Inviolate
Posted by: rhennigantx at January 26, 2022 10:25 AM (yrol0)

========

I don't get it

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 26, 2022 10:25 AM (LvTSG)

268 Mary has never been worshipped.
Posted by: Ted Torgerson at January 26, 2022 10:24 AM (vN+oL)

It sure looks like worship to me.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at January 26, 2022 10:26 AM (o2MD2)

269 And I seem to recall something about not eating the green M&Ms.
Posted by: Muldoon at January 26, 2022 10:23 AM (m45I2)

When I was a kid, the rumor was they were aphrodisiacs.

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at January 26, 2022 10:26 AM (dfRN6)

270 A Presbyterian at a full-out RC funeral mass is a lonely soul.
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Preach it brother. The only one drinking wine is the priest. WTF?

Posted by: Puddin Head at January 26, 2022 10:26 AM (bA3Ln)

271 this is from when the great Italian artists were still in the development stage.

I love Giotto's treatment of the drapery on the Madonna, his colors and his depiction of the angels.
The facial features on the Madonna and Child...works in progress

Posted by: kallisto at January 26, 2022 10:26 AM (DJFLF)

272 245 Never understood the concentration on Mary, as she is certainly not a focal point of the New Testament.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at January 26, 2022
***
Mary-worship came along later, didn't it? During the 3rd or 4th century of the Christian era -- anyway after the collapse of the Western Roman Empire?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 26, 2022 10:21 AM (txdEq)

I have heard it put that while Roman Catholics pay for too much attention to Mary, Protestants pay far too little. (probably as an overreaction to what they see as too Catholic) Like all such disputes, I would say the proper attitude is somewhere in between those two extremes.

In many Protestant churches, Mary is someone who's mentioned a couple of times in the Nativity Story and that's it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 26, 2022 10:26 AM (evAgx)

273 No. You're not supposed to eat polar bear liver.

But if you kept a barracuda in a tank and fed it on polar bear livers....

Posted by: Oddbob at January 26, 2022 10:26 AM (nfrXX)

274 The whole thing still seems pretty random to me.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 26, 2022
*
A Presbyterian at a full-out RC funeral mass is a lonely soul.
Posted by: Eromero at January 26, 2022


***
Or during a Catholic wedding. My gosh, that runs on and on.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 26, 2022 10:26 AM (txdEq)

275 The churches in Italy make the churches in the US look like crack houses. It blew my mind.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division


Mafia money goes further over there.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 26, 2022 10:27 AM (uXonU)

276 268 Mary has never been worshipped.
Posted by: Ted Torgerson at January 26, 2022 10:24 AM (vN+oL)

It sure looks like worship to me.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at January 26, 2022 10:26 AM (o2MD2)

We ask for her intercession. We don't worship her.

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at January 26, 2022 10:27 AM (dfRN6)

277 Seafood rule #7- Never eat anything you wouldn't let swim in a bathtub with you.

Posted by: Muldoon at January 26, 2022 10:27 AM (m45I2)

278 There's a prayer to Mary.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 26, 2022 10:27 AM (Y5qcH)

279 And I seem to recall something about not eating the green M&Ms.
Posted by: Muldoon?

How about wearing green on Thursdays?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Stupid Son of a Bitch at January 26, 2022 10:27 AM (FVME7)

280 Yeah, we don't do fancy much. When I was a Presbyterian member, even they did fancier better.

Posted by: kraken at January 26, 2022 10:12 AM (6Je/Q)

I grew up so far back in the woods, the Presbyterians handled snakes.

Posted by: BignJames at January 26, 2022 10:27 AM (AwYPR)

281 just don't
eat
the brown acid, man.

Posted by: Hieronymous Bosch at January 26, 2022 10:27 AM (HKXbk)

282 It sure looks like worship to me.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at January 26, 2022 10:26 AM (o2MD2)


can you find an example in the Catholic catechism, or even in the most common Marian prayer...the Hail Mary...where worship is offered to her?

Posted by: kallisto at January 26, 2022 10:28 AM (DJFLF)

283 278 There's a prayer to Mary.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 26, 2022 10:27 AM (Y5qcH)


there are many, many prayers to Our Lady, asking for her intercession on our behalf...to her Son.

Posted by: kallisto at January 26, 2022 10:28 AM (DJFLF)

284 I forgot one part of the Catholic church experience to a kid: "Boy, I hope the priest's finger doesn't touch my tongue when I receive the Eucharist. Yuck! If it does, it's not my fault!"

Posted by: Guy Smiley at January 26, 2022 10:28 AM (njfCw)

285 There's a prayer to Mary.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 26, 2022 10:27 AM (Y5qcH)
~~~~~

In which we ask her to pray for us.

Posted by: IrishEi at January 26, 2022 10:28 AM (0TVNF)

286 Mary has never been worshipped.
Posted by: Ted Torgerson at January 26, 2022 10:24 AM (vN+oL)

It sure looks like worship to me.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at January 26, 2022 10:26 AM (o2MD2)

I used to think so too. But its Veneration and gratitude and requests for intercession with her Son. Not worship.

Posted by: LASue at January 26, 2022 10:29 AM (Ed8Zd)

287 Or during a Catholic wedding. My gosh, that runs on and on.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 26, 2022 10:26 AM (txdEq)


I see you've never been to an Eastern Orthodox wedding.

Posted by: Archer at January 26, 2022 10:29 AM (gmo/4)

288 prayer:

1. A reverent petition made to God, a god, or another object of worship.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 26, 2022 10:29 AM (Y5qcH)

289 And I never said that the Western Empire collapsed in the 3rd or 4th century. I wondered when the Mary-worship, or perhaps "veneration" is a better word, began -- was it then, or was it later when the Empire in the West had fallen (post AD 476 or so)?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 26, 2022 10:29 AM (txdEq)

290 Seafood rule #7- Never eat anything you wouldn't let swim in a bathtub with you.
Posted by: Muldoon at January 26, 2022 10:27 AM (m45I2)

OK, you swim wit' da lobsters, wise guy!

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 26, 2022 10:29 AM (P3gRi)

291 Or during a Catholic wedding. My gosh, that runs on and on.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 26, 2022 10:26 AM (txdEq)

It's long because it's a nuptial mass and so, they include the Eucharist.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 26, 2022 10:29 AM (dprVF)

292 Or during a Catholic wedding. My gosh, that runs on and on.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 26, 2022 10:26 AM (txdEq)

By the time a Catholic wedding is over some of the brides are 3 months pregnant.

Posted by: rhennigantx at January 26, 2022 10:29 AM (yrol0)

293 Or during a Catholic wedding. My gosh, that runs on and on.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 26, 2022
*
I see you've never been to an Eastern Orthodox wedding.

Posted by: Archer at January 26, 2022


***
I have a feeling my life is too short for that.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 26, 2022 10:29 AM (txdEq)

294 Mary has never been worshipped.


I don't know about that. Catholics pray to her in the Hail Mary, they bow to her when they mention her in the Apostle's Creed and there are other songs and rites for Mary. Catholics say they "venerate" the Virgin Mary, but venerate is the same as worship. They certainly don't worship her like God, but it is still worship.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at January 26, 2022 10:29 AM (ppL7t)

295 266 Catholic church to a kid was like : Sit. Stand. Kneel. Sit again. Stand again. Kneel again. Now the priest is suddenly singing in Latin. Now he's not. Sit again. Stand again. Kneel again. Man, this kneel-bar thing hurts my knees. Now more singing in Latin...and suddenly not singling in Latin again. Now we're all shaking hands with each other. Sit, stand, kneel, sit, stand, kneel...Go in peace-yay!
Posted by: Guy Smiley

Theological gymnastics.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Stupid Son of a Bitch at January 26, 2022 10:25 AM (FVME7)

High Church old school Lutheran services are exactly the same, minus the latin and minus any references to the pope.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 26, 2022 10:30 AM (evAgx)

296 250
That's one of the original Calvinist/Lutheran splits. Luther said that the Roman Catholic Church just needed reform, but didn't need to be completely redone. Calvin and Zwingli were true Iconoclasts of the old school, and said NO! It all has to go! Get rid of it all! For centuries, it's been a good shorthand way to tell which way a protestant denomination leans - towards Luther, or towards Calvin.
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 26, 2022 10:22 AM (evAgx)

Defnitely Calvinist here. One thing I believe is that criticizing and picking on other denominations/ branches of Christianity is foolish and dangerous. Especially in our times.

Posted by: kraken at January 26, 2022 10:30 AM (6Je/Q)

297 Thanks Open Blogger , for these artistic choices and analysis

Posted by: LASue at January 26, 2022 10:30 AM (Ed8Zd)

298 Mary is the Bona Dea of Roman times. Of course she is worshipped.

Posted by: Hieronymous Bosch at January 26, 2022 10:30 AM (HKXbk)

299 Mary has never been worshipped.
Posted by: Ted Torgerson at January 26, 2022 10:24 AM (vN+oL)

It sure looks like worship to me.

***
They're worshipping the kid in her lap.

Posted by: Pat at January 26, 2022 10:30 AM (DXPhz)

300 246 I grew up in a Baptist church. No decoration of any kind. We had off-white walls and colored, geometric windows. You can only read the bulletin so many times.
Posted by: Kris

Can't have sex standing up. It might lead to dancing.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 26, 2022 10:21 AM (uXonU)

Yeah, but our pot-lucks are fire. Eight different casseroles, Jello salad, several different types of beans (sometimes in one dish).Once in a while someone will go Lutheran and bring meatballs! Then it really gets crazy!

Posted by: Kris at January 26, 2022 10:30 AM (OyyDO)

301 Is the Marian prayer to Gaius Marius.

Posted by: Boss Moss at January 26, 2022 10:30 AM (todmg)

302 297 Thanks Open Blogger , for these artistic choices and analysis
Posted by: LASue at January 26, 2022 10:30 AM (Ed8Zd)

========

Open Blogger has a very varied resume.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 26, 2022 10:30 AM (LvTSG)

303 I like the discussion of the paintings. The religious dispute not so much.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 26, 2022 10:30 AM (dprVF)

304 288 prayer:

1. A reverent petition made to God, a god, or another object of worship.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 26, 2022 10:29 AM (Y5qcH)

We talk with people in Heaven, you believe they're blind and deaf to the world, so what? We also talk to angels for that matter. Do you ever ask other people to pray for you.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 26, 2022 10:31 AM (z5Vrg)

305 >>>It's long because it's a nuptial mass and so, they include the Eucharist.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke


Our priest was infamous for thirty-minute masses, if not shorter. My MIL didn't want a fast mass. During my wedding, he looked at my MIL and said, "Was it long enough?" I think the entire ceremony with Eucharist was maybe 35 minutes.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at January 26, 2022 10:31 AM (VWp7G)

306 Yeah, but our pot-lucks are fire. Eight different casseroles, Jello salad, several different types of beans (sometimes in one dish).Once in a while someone will go Lutheran and bring meatballs! Then it really gets crazy!
Posted by: Kris at January 26, 2022 10:30 AM (OyyDO)

I am sure Methodist need a covered dish to get into Heaven.

Posted by: rhennigantx at January 26, 2022 10:31 AM (yrol0)

307 And I seem to recall something about not eating the green M&Ms.

Posted by: Muldoon at January 26, 2022 10:23 AM (m45I2)

Not ripe?

Posted by: BignJames at January 26, 2022 10:32 AM (AwYPR)

308 280 Yeah, we don't do fancy much. When I was a Presbyterian member, even they did fancier better.

Posted by: kraken at January 26, 2022 10:12 AM (6Je/Q)

I grew up so far back in the woods, the Presbyterians handled snakes.
Posted by: BignJames at January 26, 2022 10:27 AM (AwYPR)

Oh yeah. Where I live, LOTS of little churches, doing their thing.

Posted by: kraken at January 26, 2022 10:32 AM (6Je/Q)

309 What about the +5 Holy Avenger crackers.

Posted by: Boss Moss at January 26, 2022 10:32 AM (todmg)

310 Seafood rule #7- Never eat anything you wouldn't let swim in a bathtub with you.

Let's see...

Barracuda: check
Shark: check
Octopus: check
Crabs: uh, we may have a problem here, boss

Posted by: Oddbob at January 26, 2022 10:32 AM (nfrXX)

311 294 Mary has never been worshipped.


I don't know about that. Catholics pray to her in the Hail Mary, they bow to her when they mention her in the Apostle's Creed and there are other songs and rites for Mary. Catholics say they "venerate" the Virgin Mary, but venerate is the same as worship. They certainly don't worship her like God, but it is still worship.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at January 26, 2022 10:29 AM (ppL7t)

People bow before kings. Not worship. The apostles likewise have royal status.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 26, 2022 10:33 AM (z5Vrg)

312 Catholic church to a kid was like : Sit. Stand. Kneel. Sit again. Stand again. Kneel again. Now the priest is suddenly singing in Latin. Now he's not. Sit again. Stand again. Kneel again. Man, this kneel-bar thing hurts my knees. Now more singing in Latin...and suddenly not singling in Latin again. Now we're all shaking hands with each other. Sit, stand, kneel, sit, stand, kneel...Go in peace-yay!
Posted by: Guy Smiley

Hasn't changed much, although I'm only there at weddings and funerals. The wife goes every sunday though, so she's representing.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at January 26, 2022 10:33 AM (VwHCD)

313 In the top pic on the side and the Madonna; they all look alike.

Oh if you look close you can see a bit of difference but not much.

Not a big deal. Hey they're all angels right?

Still. Looks to be he took the easy way out and just copied them over.

Posted by: jakee308 at January 26, 2022 10:33 AM (cGAjs)

314 I've been to a full blown New Orleans Catholic wedding at the church that's right next to Loyola University. Now that was something!

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 26, 2022 10:33 AM (evAgx)

315 311 Catholics say they "venerate" the Virgin Mary, but venerate is the same as worship. They certainly don't worship her like God, but it is still worship.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at January 26, 2022 10:29 AM (ppL7t)

==========

This...makes no sense.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 26, 2022 10:33 AM (LvTSG)

316 By the time a Catholic wedding is over some of the brides are 3 months pregnant.
Posted by: rhennigantx

Some are 3 months before it starts. But we're not supposed to talk about that.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 26, 2022 10:33 AM (uXonU)

317 In Sinop Turkey, on the north side of town and about a third of the way up the extinct volcano that forms the Hill that reaches out into the Black Sea, there is an old church. The Turks, not surprisingly, have left it to decay over the centuries. But on one wall you can see a painting that is still remarkably colorful and which is similar to this style. I remember it because the baby Jesus is holding his hand in a similar fashion

Posted by: Diogenes at January 26, 2022 10:34 AM (axyOa)

318 I used to think so too. But its Veneration and gratitude and requests for intercession with her Son. Not worship.

Posted by: LASue at January 26, 2022 10:29 AM (Ed8Zd)


well some pyrsyns are dead set on disrespecting that nice Jewish girl who was chosen by God the Father to be the mother of His Son, so there's really nothing you or I or anyone can say that will ever change that.

Posted by: kallisto at January 26, 2022 10:34 AM (DJFLF)

319 A preacher I sometimes listen to says "The plain things are the main things." The main thing to me is, do you love and follow Jesus.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 26, 2022 10:34 AM (45fpk)

320 Some are 3 months before it starts. But we're not supposed to talk about that.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 26, 2022 10:33 AM (uXonU)


The baby was premature, JEEZ!

Posted by: Jordan61 at January 26, 2022 10:34 AM (D29DJ)

321 I like the discussion of the paintings. The religious dispute not so much.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 26, 2022 10:30 AM (dprVF)

I don't take the comments as disputes, probably because I grew up in a large close family withe many religious beliefs - we kidded and teased a lot. Protestants, RCs, Eastern Orthros, Mormons and a couple of Jews.

Posted by: Archer at January 26, 2022 10:35 AM (gmo/4)

322 And on a religious note: Woman who works for Prager University has a video: Why I am no longer an Atheist:

https://tinyurl.com/4wdajstz

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 26, 2022 10:35 AM (dprVF)

323 Can't have sex standing up. It might lead to dancing.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 26, 2022 10:21 AM (uXonU)

Same joke with the Hasidim...ultra-orthodox Jews.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 26, 2022 10:35 AM (Q9lwr)

324 319 A preacher I sometimes listen to says "The plain things are the main things." The main thing to me is, do you love and follow Jesus.
Posted by: grammie winger at January 26, 2022 10:34 AM (45fpk)

Yep. " Keep the main thing the main thing". And something something essential versus secondary doctrine.

Posted by: kraken at January 26, 2022 10:36 AM (6Je/Q)

325 We just pray straight to Jesus, leaves the worship band more time for some more Christian rock and easy listening. Coffee and donuts after of course.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at January 26, 2022 10:36 AM (HaPdD)

326 Jesus is doing the "TWO GENDERS" hand-signal.

I am literally shaking right now.


Some priest in the UK announced that Jesus could flip his gender at will and did several times. There's nothing grosser than trying to impose liberal fads on God.

Posted by: Ian S. at January 26, 2022 10:37 AM (ZGrMX)

327 Never understood the concentration on Mary, as she is certainly not a focal point of the New Testament.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at January 26, 2022 10:18 AM (o2MD2)


It goes way back to when stuff like the Nicean Consul was happening, and the decisions were being made about what was canon and what wasn't, and who was Christ actually.

There was a large contingent who thought that Christ was wholly divine, some who thought he was a man, and another large contingent who thought Christ was both God and Man.

In the end, the God and Man both contingent won out and to emphasize Christ Human nature, they placed an iemphasis on Mary, His human mother.

That the TL/DR version.

Posted by: naturalfake at January 26, 2022 10:37 AM (5NkmN)

328 Seafood rule #7- Never eat anything you wouldn't let swim in a bathtub with you.

Posted by: Muldoon at January 26, 2022 10:27 AM (m45I2)

How big a tub?

Posted by: Bluefin Tuna at January 26, 2022 10:37 AM (Q9lwr)

329 Theological gymnastics.

******

Prayer-a-cize?

Catholi-sthenics?

Posted by: Muldoon at January 26, 2022 10:37 AM (m45I2)

330 Theological gymnastics.

******

Prayer-a-cize?

Catholi-sthenics?



Cross training.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at January 26, 2022 10:38 AM (ppL7t)

331 I don't take the comments as disputes, probably because I grew up in a large close family withe many religious beliefs - we kidded and teased a lot. Protestants, RCs, Eastern Orthros, Mormons and a couple of Jews.

Posted by: Archer at January 26, 2022 10:35 AM (gmo/4)

It's really strange that for 5 centuries, the issue of Mary has been the one that Catholics and Protestants have fought with each other about more than any other. There's something very visceral and emotional about her name, and her image. Personally I'd say that after 5 centuries of fighting about it, it's time to let it go.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 26, 2022 10:38 AM (evAgx)

332 If salt water fish is called sea food; why don't we call fresh water fish fresh food?


Pondering...

Posted by: Archer at January 26, 2022 10:39 AM (gmo/4)

333 Did I do that, you stoopid son of a bitch?

Posted by: Irkle Biden at January 26, 2022 10:39 AM (BOJAx)

334 There is no such thing as "women's work". Men are just as capable at doing domestic tasks!

Also

Washing feet is women's work. A man would never stoop to women's work, therefore Jesus was transgender when he washed feet.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 26, 2022 10:39 AM (F4b8f)

335 I don't even know much about the cult of Jupiter.

Posted by: Boss Moss at January 26, 2022 10:39 AM (todmg)

336 Bidens Deputy National Security Adviser Says Americans Should Care About Ukraine Because
wait
wait
wait for it


Borders Should be Inviolate
Posted by: rhennigantx

Well, it's no Remember the Alamo!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Stupid Son of a Bitch at January 26, 2022 10:39 AM (FVME7)

337 Ironically, there are no genders in the Kingdom of Heaven.

Posted by: Hieronymous Bosch at January 26, 2022 10:40 AM (HKXbk)

338 334 There is no such thing as "women's work". Men are just as capable at doing domestic tasks!

Also

Washing feet is women's work. A man would never stoop to women's work, therefore Jesus was transgender when he washed feet.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 26, 2022 10:39 AM (F4b8f)


That seems -- insane.

Posted by: kraken at January 26, 2022 10:40 AM (6Je/Q)

339 I don't take the comments as disputes, probably because I grew up in a large close family withe many religious beliefs - we kidded and teased a lot. Protestants, RCs, Eastern Orthros, Mormons and a couple of Jews.

Posted by: Archer at January 26, 2022


***
Most of the major relationships I've had with women in my life were with Catholic girls; my best friend growing up was one; and when I worked at a radio station in Ville Platte, LA, all of the staff were Catholics except me, the agnostic, and one Mormon. We all got on fine.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 26, 2022 10:41 AM (txdEq)

340 Personally I'd say that after 5 centuries of fighting about it, it's time to let it go.
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 26, 2022 10:38 AM (evAgx)

Cool, lets move on to relics. I think displaying dead body parts in your church is goofy.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 26, 2022 10:41 AM (Y5qcH)

341 Cimabue versus Giotto

Pedestal versus approachable.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/)) at January 26, 2022 10:41 AM (5pTK/)

342 276 268 Mary has never been worshipped.
Posted by: Ted Torgerson at January 26, 2022 10:24 AM (vN+oL)

It sure looks like worship to me.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at January 26, 2022 10:26 AM (o2MD2)

We ask for her intercession. We don't worship her.
Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at January 26, 2022 10:27 AM (dfRN6)

Not RC, but veneration isn't the same as worship. Mary interceded at the Wedding at Cana - no one else had the relationship with Jesus to be able to do that - and I can see how folks would ask for her intercession in the present day. Mary was special, especially because of her willingness to do something that would have directly led to her disgrace and death without the divinely-inspired intercession of Joseph. That's worthy of veneration, I think.

Off the top of my head, I can't think of another biblical figure that risked all in the same way Mary did.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 26, 2022 10:41 AM (qma9m)

343 332 If salt water fish is called sea food; why don't we call fresh water fish fresh food?


Pondering...
Posted by: Archer at January 26, 2022 10:39 AM (gmo/4)

Well, the Sea Galilee is a lake, so...

Posted by: Hieronymous Bosch at January 26, 2022 10:41 AM (HKXbk)

344 Wow, I finally got a cool hash!

Posted by: Mean Tweets at January 26, 2022 10:41 AM (BOJAx)

345 Personally I'd say that after 5 centuries of fighting about it, it's time to let it go.

"OK, sure but I just want to say..."

-- Every person with strongly held beliefs, ever

Posted by: Oddbob at January 26, 2022 10:41 AM (nfrXX)

346 Thanks Open Blogger , for these artistic choices and analysis

Posted by: LASue at January 26, 2022 10:30 AM (Ed8Zd)

"Open Blogger" is just the guest posting access on AoSHQ. This open blogger is "Kris," who has been kind enough occasionally to write actual art criticism for The Horde, instead of my usual, "Oooh! Pretty picture!"

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 26, 2022 10:41 AM (Q9lwr)

347 What's happening at the Met? From the WSJ today, a letter to the editor re: a review that mentioned Jacques-Lois David's "The Death of Socrates" as a "magisterial canvas that speaks to the grandeur of noble sacrifice:"

. . . Not so, says the New York's Metropolitan Museum of Art. According to its curators, in a plaque next to the painting, "Neoclassicism's centering of the white male body as a symbol of moral transcendence reinforced longstanding racialized and gendered norms." The abstract principles that characterize Neoclassical art were. . . readily extended into justifying the concrete subjugation of Non-Europeans.
We are not allowed to enjoy David's portrayal of Madame Lavoisier in white muslin dress either, because, we are told, "invoking the flowing tunics of ancient marble statuary, the material typically came from colonial exploits in India and the West Indies. And so on it goes, throughout the galleries.
- Eleanor Jams

Posted by: Lizzy at January 26, 2022 10:42 AM (URNdm)

348 Theological gymnastics.

******

Prayer-a-cize?

Catholi-sthenics?


Cross training.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at January 26, 2022 10:38 AM (ppL7t)

Deadpanning again eh Adirondack?

Posted by: Diogenes at January 26, 2022 10:42 AM (axyOa)

349 Cross training.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot


******

Nicely played!!

Posted by: Muldoon at January 26, 2022 10:42 AM (m45I2)

350 Prayer-a-cize?

Catholi-sthenics?

Cross training.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at January 26, 2022


***
Pope-a-robics!

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 26, 2022 10:42 AM (txdEq)

351 Can the ankle bones of the apostles do magic.

Posted by: Boss Moss at January 26, 2022 10:42 AM (todmg)

352 Hey. Leave me out of this!

Posted by: Martin Luther at January 26, 2022 10:42 AM (gmo/4)

353 So, the Russia army should declare themselves undocumented immigrants and walk into the Ukraine unmolested and welcomed with benefits and protected by the government.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at January 26, 2022 10:42 AM (ppL7t)

354 344 Wow, I finally got a cool hash!
Posted by: Mean Tweets at January 26, 2022 10:41 AM (BOJAx)

#boknows

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at January 26, 2022 10:43 AM (BgMrQ)

355 I grew up in a Baptist church. No decoration of any kind. We had off-white walls and colored, geometric windows. You can only read the bulletin so many times.
Posted by: Kris at January 26, 2022 10:09 AM (OyyDO)

I grew up in a Lutheran church... cinder block walls, and metal folding chairs.

Posted by: Marcus Gravey at January 26, 2022 10:43 AM (kNgCR)

356 Oh, and thanks, Kris. Since I'm a history geek, I appreciate what you bring to the art thread.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/)) at January 26, 2022 10:43 AM (5pTK/)

357 I think it is time to start destroying art which pushes gender norms and colonialism. Its existence might poison future generations.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 26, 2022 10:44 AM (F4b8f)

358 Why is the Ukraine so concerned about a few hundred thousand armed migrants. Racists.

Posted by: Boss Moss at January 26, 2022 10:44 AM (todmg)

359 "Oooh! Pretty picture!"
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 26, 2022 10:41 AM (Q9lwr)
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Then I really don't get "Fat Man on an Ottoman."

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/)) at January 26, 2022 10:44 AM (5pTK/)

360 Very nice art subjects today. Thanks to CBD for hosting Kris this morning.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at January 26, 2022 10:45 AM (lMmuq)

361 Posted by: Lizzy at January 26, 2022 10:42 AM (URNdm)

It's amazing. The pinch-faced scolds of post-modern nonsense can ruin anything!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 26, 2022 10:45 AM (Q9lwr)

362 I think it is time to start destroying art which pushes gender norms and colonialism. Its existence might poison future generations.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 26, 2022 10:44 AM (F4b8f)
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Patriarchy. Don't forget the patriarchy.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/)) at January 26, 2022 10:45 AM (5pTK/)

363 I grew up in a Lutheran church... cinder block walls, and metal folding chairs.

Posted by: Marcus Gravey at January 26, 2022 10:43 AM (kNgCR)


The church I go to now meets in a quonset hut. We do however have a coffee bar, so there's that.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 26, 2022 10:45 AM (45fpk)

364 The SALT deduction doesn't affect 95% of the population.

Let's do some math, and check some facts. SALT matters only if you itemize. So, if you take the standard deductions and move on, it really doesn't matter to you. The standard deduction per person, either married filing joint or singly, is $12,950.

The SALT cap, if you try to itemize your way past more than $12,950, is currently $10K. So who would benefit from raising that cap, beyond $13K, to the $80K currently proposed ? Anybody that pays a combined income and property tax more than $13K. And who would that be ?

Answer - your typical affluent New York suburbanite. The average income tax for any New York resident is $3400. Add another $2900 for property tax. And that's just the average. Your affluent New Yorker pays more. It's not that much of a stretch that he pays twice as much as average.

And that's what this is all about. The typical affluent New Yorker loves his state services, and loves deducting them off his Federal Tax. Trump raised his taxes, by blocking the deduction. SALT may not touch 95% of the country - but I guarantee it touches 95% of the media and political classes.

Posted by: Critical Thinker at January 26, 2022 10:45 AM (FBTwQ)

365 And a morning devotional from the "Upper Room" called "Past, Present and Future." A man from Indiana writes movingly and honestly about the death of his wife and what he feels he's learned about God and prayer:

https://tinyurl.com/mv9jedw9

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 26, 2022 10:46 AM (dprVF)

366 Cool, lets move on to relics. I think displaying dead body parts in your church is goofy.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 26, 2022 10:41 AM (Y5qcH)


Yeah, there is enough of that in congress.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at January 26, 2022 10:46 AM (VwHCD)

367 OT, but I ordered some more quercetin from LifeExtension. I'm not sure it did anything for me before, but if it helped ward off any infections, and since I had no symptoms, I'd never know anyway.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 26, 2022 10:46 AM (txdEq)

368 >>I think it is time to start destroying art which pushes gender norms and colonialism. Its existence might poison future generations.


You kid, but how is that not the next step after they topple all of the statues and rename all of the buildings and institutions?

Posted by: Lizzy at January 26, 2022 10:46 AM (URNdm)

369 >>>Cool, lets move on to relics.

>When the Templars were smuggling contraband, they disguised their booty as relics to fool the local law dogs.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at January 26, 2022 10:47 AM (6liew)

370 Then I really don't get "Fat Man on an Ottoman."

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/)) at January 26, 2022 10:44 AM (5pTK/)

You just haven't seen enough of Lucian Freud's work.

I could do a retrospective...in your honor of course!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 26, 2022 10:47 AM (Q9lwr)

371 The church I go to now meets in a quonset hut. We do however have a coffee bar, so there's that.
Posted by: grammie winger at January 26, 2022 10:45 AM (45fpk)
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Quonset hut? Luxury! In my day, we met in an open field, and liked it!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/)) at January 26, 2022 10:47 AM (5pTK/)

372 But, in general, celebrity (for reasons I should not have to explain) attracts narcissists like the stink of Jeff Zucker's ass attracts Jake Tapper's nose.

Posted by: SMOD at January 26, 2022 10:47 AM (RHGPo)

373 363 I grew up in a Lutheran church... cinder block walls, and metal folding chairs.

Posted by: Marcus Gravey at January 26, 2022 10:43 AM (kNgCR)


The church I go to now meets in a quonset hut. We do however have a coffee bar, so there's that.
Posted by: grammie winger at January 26, 2022 10:45 AM (45fpk)


Do they do lattes? Lattes and frappacinos are the mark of seeker churches. I kid.

Posted by: kraken at January 26, 2022 10:47 AM (6Je/Q)

374 It's amazing. The pinch-faced scolds of post-modern nonsense can ruin anything!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 26, 2022 10:45 AM (Q9lwr)


This is worse than Chicago Art Institute's woke docent brigade

Posted by: kallisto at January 26, 2022 10:47 AM (DJFLF)

375 I grew up in a Lutheran church... cinder block walls, and metal folding chairs.

Posted by: Marcus Gravey at January 26, 2022 10:43 AM (kNgCR)


The church I go to now meets in a quonset hut. We do however have a coffee bar, so there's that.
Posted by: grammie winger


Barndominium. Cowboy Baptist Church.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 26, 2022 10:48 AM (uXonU)

376 364 And that's what this is all about. The typical affluent New Yorker loves his state services, and loves deducting them off his Federal Tax. Trump raised his taxes, by blocking the deduction. SALT may not touch 95% of the country - but I guarantee it touches 95% of the media and political classes.
Posted by: Critical Thinker at January 26, 2022 10:45 AM (FBTwQ)

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That's kind of my point:

It mainly affects the Democrat's most important slivers of their base. Why not get this one win for some of their key donors and activists? Do it on the downlow without a signing ceremony or anything. Hell, it'll be bipartisan because at least 30 Republican House members will vote for it.

And yet...they just keep adding it to unpassable legislation.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 26, 2022 10:48 AM (LvTSG)

377 >>Then I really don't get "Fat Man on an Ottoman."


You only get fat man on an Ottoman (Julian Freud painting, IIRC?) when you piss off CBD.

It's the art thread equivalent of a Yoko Ono video-filled ONT.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 26, 2022 10:48 AM (URNdm)

378 The minister who thinks Jesus was engaged in transgenderism is an embarrassment to the clergy, but he's the pastor of a very left wing Baptist church in London-In Bloomsbury, which was the central point for progressivism in London and has been for quite some time.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 26, 2022 10:49 AM (dprVF)

379 You just haven't seen enough of Lucian Freud's work.

I could do a retrospective...in your honor of course!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 26, 2022 10:47 AM (Q9lwr)
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I'll bet you can't do a month of Lucian Freud!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/)) at January 26, 2022 10:49 AM (5pTK/)

380 Wanted: FBI confidence informant
Hobby experience a plus

Posted by: SMOD at January 26, 2022 10:49 AM (RHGPo)

381 Speaking of disrespect, look at the monsters who displayed pro abortion messages on the DC basilica and St Patricks cathedral and swore at prayerful attendees during this weeks Right to Life Services. Demons.

Posted by: LASue at January 26, 2022 10:49 AM (Ed8Zd)

382 340 Personally I'd say that after 5 centuries of fighting about it, it's time to let it go.
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 26, 2022 10:38 AM (evAgx)

Cool, lets move on to relics. I think displaying dead body parts in your church is goofy.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 26, 2022 10:41 AM (Y5qcH)

Well we Catholics bless things via martyrdom and martyrdom related stuff. It being a great act of love and consequently very godly and all.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 26, 2022 10:49 AM (z5Vrg)

383 The average income tax for any New York resident is $3400. Add another $2900 for property tax. And that's just the average. Your affluent New Yorker pays more. It's not that much of a stretch that he pays twice as much as average.


Posted by: Critical Thinker at January 26, 2022 10:45 AM (FBTwQ)

Twice as much? Try 4X or 5X without any trouble!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 26, 2022 10:49 AM (Q9lwr)

384 I've been to a full blown New Orleans Catholic wedding at the church that's right next to Loyola University. Now that was something!
Posted by: Tom Servo

My father was married, and we held his memorial, in that church. Holy Name of Jesus is in the most beautiful location in New Orleans, across the stress from the entrance to Audubon Park.

Posted by: stu-mick-o-sucks at January 26, 2022 10:49 AM (WFMLs)

385 I remember tight asses bringing unsweetened fruit jello to the potluck so they wouldn't have to spend a whole dollar.

Posted by: Boss Moss at January 26, 2022 10:49 AM (todmg)

386 It's amazing. The pinch-faced scolds of post-modern nonsense can ruin anything!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 26, 2022 10:45 AM (Q9lwr)

I'm sure the artist considered all that claptrap when he conceived the work.

Posted by: BignJames at January 26, 2022 10:50 AM (AwYPR)

387 Trump offers endorsement to Morgan Ortagus for House campaign in Tennessee

No comment ffs.

Posted by: Capital Eff at January 26, 2022 10:50 AM (GYllL)

388 379 You just haven't seen enough of Lucian Freud's work.

I could do a retrospective...in your honor of course!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 26, 2022 10:47 AM (Q9lwr)
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I'll bet you can't do a month of Lucian Freud!
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/)) at January 26, 2022 10:49 AM (5pTK/)

Oh, great!

Posted by: kraken at January 26, 2022 10:50 AM (6Je/Q)

389 Oh, and Chekov the Ailing Codger Cat's new Rx of gabapentin, a paste, got delivered yesterday as promised. No idea yet if it's going to help him. It says it can be administered every 8 hours, so 3x a day -- in fact the vet had me giving him the pills that often, crushed up into his Rx wet food. Which might have been why he's recently been unenthusiastic about eating the wet food.

He ate the non-dosed food last night without issue, so maybe . . .

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 26, 2022 10:50 AM (txdEq)

390 The Left wing war on Christianity is rather obvious proof of their service to Satan.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at January 26, 2022 10:51 AM (o2MD2)

391 Washington DC Requires Nude Strippers To Be Masked, Clubs Warned About "Staff Not Wearing Masks"

Posted by: SMOD at January 26, 2022 10:51 AM (RHGPo)

392 In my view the main problem with religious art is that I have an internal trip switch that prevents me from making limericks about Mary, Jesus or the saints. (I was working on a good one where I rhymed Madonna with piranha, but I couldn't bring myself to hit "Post")

Posted by: Muldoon at January 26, 2022 10:51 AM (m45I2)

393 This is worse than Chicago Art Institute's woke docent brigade
Posted by: kallisto at January 26, 2022 10:47 AM (DJFLF)

I quit being a docent at my local art gallery cuz I couldn't fake liking the art anymore. It kept getting more and more ridiculous.

Posted by: Kris at January 26, 2022 10:51 AM (OyyDO)

394 Oh, great!
Posted by: kraken at January 26, 2022 10:50 AM (6Je/Q)
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Hey a month of Zappa, a month of Freud, why not?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/)) at January 26, 2022 10:52 AM (5pTK/)

395 Wanted: FBI confidence informant
Hobby experience a plus
Posted by: SMOD


Perpetual self glow a plus.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 26, 2022 10:52 AM (uXonU)

396 Cool, lets move on to relics. I think displaying dead body parts in your church is goofy.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 26, 2022 10:41 AM (Y5qcH)


Yeah, there is enough of that in congress.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division

Pelosi's head on a pike would improve things.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Stupid Son of a Bitch at January 26, 2022 10:52 AM (FVME7)

397 that "Officially, Putin only owns an apartment and three cars" - suggesting that it would be practically difficult for Washington to sanction all the wealth the Russian president doesn't officially own.


Poorest world leader in the Senate!

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 26, 2022 10:52 AM (F4b8f)

398 Do. Not. Taunt. Happy Fun CBD!

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at January 26, 2022 10:53 AM (dfRN6)

399 >>The minister who thinks Jesus was engaged in transgenderism is an embarrassment to the clergy,


Think it's more than embarrassment. At what point has one so stretched the word of God that he's speaking for you-know-who? I think he's reached that point -- why not join the church of Satan, buddy?

Posted by: Lizzy at January 26, 2022 10:53 AM (URNdm)

400 I'll bet you can't do a month of Lucian Freud!

Ooh, look, a bear. And me just standing here with a stick...

Posted by: Oddbob at January 26, 2022 10:54 AM (nfrXX)

401 When these demonic liberal enemies of Catholicism and Christianity make the same efforts to insult and challenge Muslims , let me know.

Posted by: LASue at January 26, 2022 10:54 AM (Ed8Zd)

402 BTW, if you get a chance to visit St. Louis Cathedral in St. Louis, Missouri--go. You will not be sorry.

Posted by: Kris at January 26, 2022 10:54 AM (OyyDO)

403
Think it's more than embarrassment. At what point has one so stretched the word of God that he's speaking for you-know-who? I think he's reached that point -- why not join the church of Satan, buddy?
Posted by: Lizzy at January 26, 2022 10:53 AM (URNdm)
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It's all part and parcel of the "Good Parts of the Bible" theology. All of it's wrong. This is just more blatant than most.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/)) at January 26, 2022 10:54 AM (5pTK/)

404 Pelosi's head on a pike would improve things.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Stupid Son of a Bitch at January 26, 2022


***
"She's ugly enough while breathing. We don't want to see her rotting head every day when we come to work. Toss it into the Potomac with an anchor attached. "
-- Congressional staffers

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 26, 2022 10:54 AM (txdEq)

405 why not join the church of Satan, buddy?
Posted by: Lizzy at January 26, 2022 10:53 AM (URNdm)

Satan would have gladly been a tranny, he just was't depraved enough to think of it.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 26, 2022 10:55 AM (Y5qcH)

406
That's kind of my point:

It mainly affects the Democrat's most important slivers of their base. Why not get this one win for some of their key donors and activists? Do it on the downlow without a signing ceremony or anything. Hell, it'll be bipartisan because at least 30 Republican House members will vote for it.

And yet...they just keep adding it to unpassable legislation.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 26, 2022 10:48 AM (LvTSG)
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I think one of the problems is that the SALT deduction (and raising the SALT cap) ends up having a material impact on the scoring / modelling. Raising the cap probably gets modelled as a reduction in future tax hauls, which means that the Dems can't afford to spend as much on other priorities.

The Dems try to sell these bills as "revenue neutral" (even though they are massive spending bills). Raising the SALT cap makes it harder, even with all the gimmicks.

Posted by: Revenant at January 26, 2022 10:55 AM (T4RS9)

407 President FuckUp's Deputy National Security Adviser Says Americans Should Care About Ukraine Because "Borders Should be Inviolate" - As Record 518,360 Illegals Invade US Border in First Fiscal Quarter of Year

Posted by: SMOD at January 26, 2022 10:55 AM (RHGPo)

408 404 "She's ugly enough while breathing. We don't want to see her rotting head every day when we come to work. Toss it into the Potomac with an anchor attached. "
-- Congressional staffers
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 26, 2022 10:54 AM (txdEq)

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"Hey! I'm skinny dipping here! I'm skinny dipping here!"
-Zombie John Quincy Adams

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 26, 2022 10:55 AM (LvTSG)

409 I would like to point out that I had nothing to do with the Freud month long retrospect, and I never mentioned Lardass on Ottoman.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at January 26, 2022 10:56 AM (o2MD2)

410 He ate the non-dosed food last night without issue, so maybe . . .
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius


Here's hoping.
Had a dog that could sniff out a pill and not touch anything with it and now have a dog that doesn't care. He eats his heartworm prevention meds like it's candy.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 26, 2022 10:56 AM (uXonU)

411 You all understand that Freemason's like me are really Knights Templar's, don't you?


Beware my power.

Posted by: Martin Luther at January 26, 2022 10:56 AM (gmo/4)

412 Think it's more than embarrassment.

Embarrassment, heretic, toe-may-toe, tah-mah-toe.

Posted by: Oddbob at January 26, 2022 10:56 AM (nfrXX)

413 In my view the main problem with religious art is that I have an internal trip switch that prevents me from making limericks about Mary, Jesus or the saints. (I was working on a good one where I rhymed Madonna with piranha, but I couldn't bring myself to hit "Post")
Posted by: Muldoon at January 26, 2022 10:51 AM (m45I2)
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I hear ya. My pun meter goes to zero when it come to religion, although I suspect Jesus had a sense of humor.

Posted by: Diogenes at January 26, 2022 10:56 AM (axyOa)

414 I quit being a docent at my local art gallery cuz I couldn't fake liking the art anymore. It kept getting more and more ridiculous.

Posted by: Kris at January 26, 2022 10:51 AM (OyyDO)


that's just awful. For someone who loves art as much as you do to have to throw in the towel...

the Left ruins everything

Posted by: kallisto at January 26, 2022 10:57 AM (DJFLF)

415 The Left wing war on Christianity is rather obvious proof of their service to Satan.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at January 26, 2022 10:51 AM (o2MD2)


Concise and precise.

Posted by: LASue at January 26, 2022 10:58 AM (Ed8Zd)

416 She looks like a guy.

Posted by: Bonnie Blue - says No War, No Booty at January 26, 2022 10:58 AM (hlxe7)

417 It mainly affects the Democrat's most important slivers of their base. Why not get this one win for some of their key donors and activists? Do it on the downlow without a signing ceremony or anything. Hell, it'll be bipartisan because at least 30 Republican House members will vote for it.

Accord to WSJ - about 13% of all tax filers itemize - so SALT is bigger than we think. You only itemize if you can get higher than the Standard Deduction.

As to why they don't take the easy win ? I'd say because the Democrats play their base about as well as the Republicans play theirs. No political advantage is ever gained by actually solving a problem.

Posted by: Critical Thinker at January 26, 2022 10:58 AM (FBTwQ)

418 He ate the non-dosed food last night without issue, so maybe . . .
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius
*
Here's hoping.
Had a dog that could sniff out a pill and not touch anything with it and now have a dog that doesn't care. He eats his heartworm prevention meds like it's candy.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 26, 2022


***
Chekov was fine with the stuff for a long time. Maybe he's just tired of the taste combination.

I still have to ask his vet about, and research sources for, CBD oil for pets.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 26, 2022 10:58 AM (txdEq)

419 I would have paid for an art tour done by Kris.

Sorry that happened, Kris.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/)) at January 26, 2022 10:58 AM (5pTK/)

420 You just haven't seen enough of Lucian Freud's work.

I could do a retrospective...in your honor of course!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 26, 2022 10:47 AM (Q9lwr)

I have no idea why, but in my head I confuse Lucian Freud and Francis Bacon's artwork.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 26, 2022 10:58 AM (qma9m)

421 I hear ya. My pun meter goes to zero when it come to religion, although I suspect Jesus had a sense of humor.
Posted by: Diogenes at January 26, 2022 10:56 AM (axyOa)

That's why "Life of Brian" is one of my guiltiest guilty pleasures. But you've got to have a strong religious foundation just to appreciate the humor there.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 26, 2022 10:59 AM (trdmm)

422 Accord to WSJ - about 13% of all tax filers itemize - so SALT is bigger than we think.


So 87% don't. Which number is bigger? 13 or 87?

Posted by: rickb223 at January 26, 2022 10:59 AM (uXonU)

423 My theory, which is supported by a lot of unscientific data is that the Lord does have a sense of humor.

Although , when I die and stand before him, I might have a lot of explaining to do.


Posted by: Martin Luther at January 26, 2022 10:59 AM (gmo/4)

424 >> I would have paid for an art tour done by Kris.
Sorry that happened, Kris.


Same here!

Posted by: Lizzy at January 26, 2022 11:00 AM (URNdm)

425 Are all dead from Omicorn yet? Or are we all gonna be dead from Putin taking Ukraine? Or the stock market crash ( that isnt a crash)?

The MSM is throwing so much fear at me Im not sure where to go.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 26, 2022 11:00 AM (KdOHX)

426 411 You all understand that Freemason's like me are really Knights Templar's, don't you?


Beware my power.
Posted by: Martin Luther at January 26, 2022 10:56 AM (gmo/4)

When is it your turn to guard the treasure? Do they give you a massive key to the treasure room or is it all electronic now?

Posted by: Kris at January 26, 2022 11:00 AM (OyyDO)

427 It's perfectly possible to be both an embarrassment to the clergy, an ignoramus and theologically was off base. The first does not preclude the others. It's the church of wokeism.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 26, 2022 11:00 AM (dprVF)

428 My employer has sent us all a link to get our W-2 for 2021, but the site won't open. And the payroll people have steadfastly ignored my emails. I want to calculate up and see if I'm due even a tiny refund. Plus I want to file so my salary for '21 can be included in the calculation for my Social Security benefits.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 26, 2022 11:00 AM (txdEq)

429 My little mountain Baptist church is quite plain, but the ladies put on one hell of a spread.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at January 26, 2022 11:01 AM (o2MD2)

430 417 As to why they don't take the easy win ? I'd say because the Democrats play their base about as well as the Republicans play theirs. No political advantage is ever gained by actually solving a problem.
Posted by: Critical Thinker at January 26, 2022 10:58 AM (FBTwQ)

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That's very true. It's why they never make legislative moves against guns. They can fundraise off the idea of judges doing it all for years, just like Republicans can do the same thing on the issue of abortion.

But SALT is like tax cuts for Republicans. It's financial in nature and designed to help their richest donors. I just don't get how this is something to name check in fundraising emails to the masses without ever delivering.

Also, I doubt that all of that 13% even live in states that can take advantage of SALT all that much.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 26, 2022 11:01 AM (LvTSG)

431 >>>You all understand that Freemason's like me are really Knights Templar's, don't you?

>This explains why I can never find a decent meatloaf special for lunch on Friday.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at January 26, 2022 11:01 AM (6liew)

432 Chekov was fine with the stuff for a long time. Maybe he's just tired of the taste combination.

I still have to ask his vet about, and research sources for, CBD oil for pets.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius

We have to change up the cat's regular food about every six months or so, just to keep everything "fresh". I imagine they're like us. They get tired of the same stuff daily too.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 26, 2022 11:01 AM (uXonU)

433 although I suspect Jesus had a sense of humor.
Posted by: Diogenes


*******

Sure, but eeven Jesus could not forgive Tom Swifties...

"Bless you!" Jesus sneezed!

Posted by: Muldoon at January 26, 2022 11:01 AM (m45I2)

434 Adam and Eve hiding in the Garden, from GOD is hilarious, as far as I'm concerned.

Jonah fleeing GOD, because he hated Nineveh is also quite humorous, because, come on, Jonah new better.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/)) at January 26, 2022 11:01 AM (5pTK/)

435 I think one of the problems is that the SALT deduction (and raising the SALT cap) ends up having a material impact on the scoring / modelling. Raising the cap probably gets modelled as a reduction in future tax hauls, which means that the Dems can't afford to spend as much on other priorities.

The Dems try to sell these bills as "revenue neutral" (even though they are massive spending bills). Raising the SALT cap makes it harder, even with all the gimmicks.
Posted by: Revenant at January 26, 2022 10:55 AM (T4RS9)

Yep, the biggest thing Joe Manchin did was to call bullshit on all of their numbers games. He bluntly told them that if they want SALT, then they gotta throw out a whole bunch of other stuff they want even more.

but now he's not even talking to them at all, so they're just wishcasting.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 26, 2022 11:01 AM (trdmm)

436 431 >>>You all understand that Freemason's like me are really Knights Templar's, don't you?

>This explains why I can never find a decent meatloaf special for lunch on Friday.
Posted by: Dr. Bone at January 26, 2022 11:01 AM (6liew)

=========

Who holds back the electric car? Who makes Steve Gutenberg a star?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 26, 2022 11:01 AM (LvTSG)

437 Monkey nood.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 26, 2022 11:02 AM (HhfIU)

438 Nood.

Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at January 26, 2022 11:02 AM (khAeP)

439 421 I hear ya. My pun meter goes to zero when it come to religion, although I suspect Jesus had a sense of humor.
Posted by: Diogenes at January 26, 2022 10:56 AM (axyOa)

That's why "Life of Brian" is one of my guiltiest guilty pleasures. But you've got to have a strong religious foundation just to appreciate the humor there.
Posted by: Tom Servo



I'm surprised 'Life of Brian' hasn't been cancelled yet. The 'Loretta' scene is enough to cause vapors these days.

Posted by: Puddleglum at work at January 26, 2022 11:02 AM (J7wri)

440 Hoo boy, I'm going to need a Beatitude adjustment!

Posted by: Muldoon at January 26, 2022 11:02 AM (m45I2)

441 Knights Templar had bad Friday the 13th.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at January 26, 2022 11:02 AM (o2MD2)

442 My theory, which is supported by a lot of unscientific data is that the Lord does have a sense of humor.

Although , when I die and stand before him, I might have a lot of explaining to do.

Posted by: Martin Luther at January 26, 2022


***
He must have a sense of humor. Consider the platypus.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 26, 2022 11:02 AM (txdEq)

443 Although , when I die and stand before him, I might have a lot of explaining to do.

Posted by: Martin Luther at January 26, 2022 10:59 AM (gmo/4)


Sock fail or not? Discuss.

Posted by: Oddbob at January 26, 2022 11:02 AM (nfrXX)

444 Salt is yuuuge for the Dem base. The base today is upper middle class earners living on the coasts.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 26, 2022 11:02 AM (KdOHX)

445 "Accord to WSJ - about 13% of all tax filers itemize - so SALT is bigger than we think."



Of that 13%, how many use SALT? I itemize, and I'm not in a SALT state. Even among those using it, there have to be some non-Dems. It really is a loser issue for the Dems.

They'll still do it, of course. Gotta pay the piper. But it's not a winning issue for them.

Posted by: Wally at January 26, 2022 11:03 AM (FJYfm)

446 Instead of a MoMe, we should have a KrisMe where we all gather and Kris takes us around to various museums and galleries.

Posted by: stu-mick-o-sucks at January 26, 2022 11:03 AM (WFMLs)

447 When is it your turn to guard the treasure? Do they give you a massive key to the treasure room or is it all electronic now?
Posted by: Kris at January 26, 2022 11:00 AM (OyyDO)

Those Oak Island guys have messed the whole thing up, impossible to get to now.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 26, 2022 11:03 AM (trdmm)

448 Noodus mannicus

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 26, 2022 11:04 AM (txdEq)

449 I know I'm late to the party, but the write up by Kris is just outstanding.

Posted by: Wally at January 26, 2022 11:04 AM (FJYfm)

450 Funny
Psakiħ impersonation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJqb-Nn765k

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at January 26, 2022 11:04 AM (lCui1)

451 Instead of a MoMe, we should have a KrisMe where we all gather and Kris takes us around to various museums and galleries.
Posted by: stu-mick-o-sucks at January 26, 2022 11:03 AM (WFMLs)
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I'd like to have a Horde MoMe at Hearst Castle. With the amount of knowledge among the Horde, the history of everything at Hearst Castle would really come alive.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/)) at January 26, 2022 11:04 AM (5pTK/)

452 445

No such thing as a non salt state. Every state has local and state taxes of some form.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 26, 2022 11:04 AM (KdOHX)

453 When is it your turn to guard the treasure? Do they give you a massive key to the treasure room or is it all electronic now?
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You mean a metal detector on Oak Island, right?

Posted by: Puddin Head at January 26, 2022 11:05 AM (bA3Ln)

454 So 87% don't. Which number is bigger? 13 or 87?

Posted by: rickb223 at January 26, 2022 10:59 AM (uXonU)


I wasn't prepared for a quiz, but I'll give it a shot. 95%, the original estimate of whom don't care about SALT - is probably more than the actual 87% that don't itemize and thus don't care about SALT.

Here's my point - it's not an insignificant number. Until I looked it up, I assumed the 95% estimate was in the ballpark, and it wasn't a bad off the cuff guess. We often wonder, why does the media class hate Trump with a cold fury ? I think part of it is SALT.

And look, if I were king for a day, I'd make the damn SALT deduction zero. What your state taxes you on is your problem - not a Federal problem.

Posted by: Critical Thinker at January 26, 2022 11:05 AM (FBTwQ)

455 I would benefit from removing the salt cap. But I am opposed to it on a philosophical level.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 26, 2022 11:06 AM (KdOHX)

456 I have no skill to contrast and compare art but I admire Kris' talent to do so & do it so very well.

To me, one piece is beckoning viewers, and the other is adoring the Madonna and child but will allow more participation from the galley.

Like it or hate it, the way things are going, I think we should cherish what we have - including or especially religious art.

Posted by: Lola at January 26, 2022 11:07 AM (xjz83)

457 I'm surprised 'Life of Brian' hasn't been cancelled yet. The 'Loretta' scene is enough to cause vapors these days.
Posted by: Puddleglum at work at January 26, 2022 11:02 AM (J7wri)

Oh yeah! Cleese has said that the "Splitters!!!" scene is based on real life experience with socialist groups in London in the late 60's.

And then Biggus Dickus - I still can't watch that scene without cracking up, just like the guards.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 26, 2022 11:07 AM (trdmm)

458 The 13% is misleading. Because it is probably 2% in Nebraska and Iowa and Wyoming but 25% in CA. So nationally sure few care about it. But for Dem voters, a large % do.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 26, 2022 11:08 AM (KdOHX)

459 @338 Jesus was transgender when he washed feet.

I've had my feet washed by some remarkable men.
A rabbis' brother, a trophy-winning skipper of the Inter Lakes Yachting Assn, a champion equestrian whose daughter is a combat Marine, and (first and favorite) a B-17 gunner who spent two years in a German POW camp.

Podiatry being what it is around here, I think every one of those guys was an Ohio State grad.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at January 26, 2022 11:09 AM (videA)

460 458 The 13% is misleading. Because it is probably 2% in Nebraska and Iowa and Wyoming but 25% in CA. So nationally sure few care about it. But for Dem voters, a large % do.
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Every Hedge Fund manager cares deeply about this. Ask them to give up Income Carryover as a trade and watch them go apoplexic.

Posted by: Puddin Head at January 26, 2022 11:11 AM (bA3Ln)

461 We have some highly educated contributors to this smart military blog.

Posted by: Jack Squat Bupkis at January 26, 2022 11:11 AM (GD2xa)

462 The 13% is misleading. Because it is probably 2% in Nebraska and Iowa and Wyoming but 25% in CA. So nationally sure few care about it. But for Dem voters, a large % do.

We're not even arguing, just getting to the same point from different vectors. 13% is more people than I would have thought. And it's magnified by where it comes from, high cost of living locations that are overwhelmingly Liberal.

So the next time a Lib loves to talk about how the Blue States support the Red States, remind he or she of their precious SALT deduction. They like to think they pay the Lion's Share of Federal Taxes. They don't. They pay a ton into their State, and deduct it off their Federal.

Spice up the rhetoric. Talk about how they're cheating the country.

Posted by: Critical Thinker at January 26, 2022 11:13 AM (FBTwQ)

463 LOL Kris, I got so interested in what you were saying that I burned what I was cooking in the other room!

Posted by: m at January 26, 2022 11:59 AM (vJjm2)

464 Thanks! That was a fascinating post. A way of looking at art I've never considered.

Can we do comparative black velvet poker dogs under black light sometime soon so I can look lofty to my guests?

Posted by: The Deplorable Boomer Redneque: LGB + FJB = A good start at January 26, 2022 12:08 PM (Lit6A)

465 "...just two decades apart", but when? What is it with pseudo-experts on art who will showcase a work, but can't be bothered citing dates? Just sad, very sad.

Posted by: Born Free at January 26, 2022 02:28 PM (GfGv5)

466 Unto this day a Child is Born

Posted by: Tamaa the Drongo Bird at January 26, 2022 06:14 PM (wGqjj)

467 "The main figure is Mary, no question"
Except that in that painting Mary is pointing to the Christ child. She is making it clear that He is the real object of the painting, despite size and centrality. The second work Mary is not doing that, she is merely holding the child, even restraining Him.

Posted by: GWB at January 26, 2022 06:24 PM (A2G/3)

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