CDC Head Rachel Walensky: Hey, I've Got a Great Idea. Now That the Covid Pandemic Is Diminishing, Why Don't We Wear Masks Forever to Reduce Infection By the Flu and Even the Common Cold?

Those of you who said "they're addicted to the pandemic" or "they will never let the pandemic end," collect your winnings.

Spoiler alert: Your winnings consist of a box of drug store masks.

Where is she getting that fantastical, farcical, medical misinformation claim that masks reduce the spread of covid by 80%? Even the N95 masks that actually work only reduce transmission by 60%. The drug store masks that almost everyone actually uses reduce transmission by 10-12%, tops.

Even leftwing Covid Karen AllahPundit has finally found a covid-panic hill he isn't willing to die on. Those numbers on mask effectiveness are from him (though of course they're widely available).

Compare her "80% reduction" claim to the claim I noted in the sidebar, highlighted by leftwing comic Jimmy Dore, by a doctor on NBC's Today show that covid has killed 146,000 children.

Actual figure? Less than 700.

You are allowed to lie about covid so long as the lie supports the officially sanctioned state propaganda.

Philip Klein of the corporate neoliberal blog National Review has had enough of the Forever Masking push.

And we do seem to be in the early stages of a Pivot to Forever Masking, as he calls it. In addition to Walensky's suggestion that we should mask to protect even against the common cold, he notes an ABC "News" article by a doctor urging the same Forever Masking line.

[The ABC News tweet] linked to a story from contributor Jay Bhatt, a doctor and public-health professor, arguing that people should resist returning to normal after receiving their vaccine booster. But of the five reasons he lists for continued masking and social distancing, two of them are "it's flu season" and "other viruses are out there."
One of the reasons why I have tried to avoid making the argument that we don't mask during flu season, so we should not be masking for COVID-19 given that vaccines are widely available, is precisely that I was always worried that at some point, somebody would respond, "Well, we should be masking during flu season!" It seems that moment has arrived.

An analogy that just occurred to me:

Viruses have what I'll call an unstable core. This term is not accurate but it works for the analogy. Their genetic code is not well-guarded against misreplication and error. They reproduce sloppily. They lose chunks of their genetic code in replication. They also just grab up any stray genetic code in their vicinity and incorporate it into their genetic core. That's what makes them so incredibly changeable -- so mutable. It's also the mechanism that allows them to suddenly become virulent and lethal.

It occurs to me that many, many people today lack a stable core. They do not have much by way of a core of fundamental being inside of them. The old pillars that provided strength and solidity to people -- church and family being two of them, friends you actually know in the real world being another, engagement with thought longer and deeper than scrolling through twitter Hot Takes -- are largely absent from many people.

The genetics of their psychology and personality are thus not well-guarded against mutation, and like a virus, they readily pick up pieces of Identity and stray strings of Meaning they find floating in the medium. They incorporate these new pieces of Identity and begin infecting others with it. Suddenly lost and lonely people are all Non-Binary Femme-Trending Anti-Racist Equity-Working Science-Believing Fat-Positivity Graysexuals who believe Black Lives Matter and that Hate Has No Home Here.

And many people have incorporated an exciting, potent new string of personal meaning, the "People of Pandemic" string, into their identity code.

Being a Person Who Is Very Very Concerned About the Pandemic is just as serious (or, just as trivial) a personal commitment and identity choice as being Non-Binary. It defines them. It determines who their kinship group are. It makes a tribe, it makes a culture. It cleaves them from one mass of humanity and connects them strongly with another mass.

It determines what they believe about a great many other things. You automatically know what all Pandemic People think about CRT, for example -- it simultaneously doesn't exist and is critical to teach children.

We live in viral times. People themselves have now become viral in most essential sense of the word. Having no fundamental spiritual DNA, they now mutate dozens of times a year, becoming more virulent with each mutation, and spread their diseased Codes to the other Viruses who look like people.

This pandemic won't end. It can't end. If it were to end, the Viral People whose primary code is being a Person of Covid would themselves end.

Biden Spokeswoman Karine Jean-Pierre can't name when COVID mandates and restrictions will end. pic.twitter.com/sj9I0hwwQE
— RNC Research (@RNCResearch) November 8, 2021

Or, you know, they could just find a new line of mutant mental illness to obsess over.

Posted by: Ace at 12:09 PM

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1 Mornin' Ace!

Posted by: BunkerintheBurbs at November 09, 2021 12:09 PM (OeWGu)

2 I nooded

Posted by: BunkerintheBurbs at November 09, 2021 12:09 PM (OeWGu)

3 Spoiler alert: Your winnings consist of a box of drug store masks.
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Masks, the Kaboom of pandemic responses.

Posted by: Bete at November 09, 2021 12:09 PM (F9322)

4 She's been talking to the idiots here in WA state, apparently.

They are never letting us unmask.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Dune 2021 review at November 09, 2021 12:09 PM (XvPQV)

5 not sponge

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, the hero Gotham deserves at November 09, 2021 12:10 PM (LvTSG)

6 Hmmmm. Let me think about itNOFUCKYOU!!!

Posted by: Tonypete at November 09, 2021 12:10 PM (mD/uy)

7 We're turning Japanese we really think so.

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 09, 2021 12:11 PM (B8kNI)

8 hiya

Posted by: JT at November 09, 2021 12:11 PM (arJlL)

9 MPPPP along to strut his stuff in 3, 2, 1...

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, the hero Gotham deserves at November 09, 2021 12:11 PM (LvTSG)

10 Nice interpretation, Ace ! it deserves to go viral !

lol, swidt ?

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (ahosz) at November 09, 2021 12:11 PM (ahosz)

11 Just making shit up, that's how I roll.

Posted by: Rachel Walensky at November 09, 2021 12:11 PM (4I/2K)

12 We could all go live in a bubble, too.

Posted by: bluebell at November 09, 2021 12:11 PM (wyw4S)

13 I called this bull$hit last year when the first mask mandate came out.

Posted by: Mister Scot (Formerly GWS) at November 09, 2021 12:11 PM (bVYXr)

14 It occurs to me that many, many people today lack a stable core. They do not have much by way of a core of fundamental being inside of them. The old pillars that provided strength and solidity to people -- church and family being two of them, friends you actually know in the real world being another, engagement with thought longer and deeper than scrolling through twitter Hot Takes -- are largely absent from many people.

The genetics of their psychology and personality are thus not well-guarded against mutation, and like a virus, they readily pick up pieces of Identity and stray strings of Meaning they find floating in the medium. They incorporate these new pieces of Identity and begin infecting others with it.

That is a hell of an analogy, Ace. Does Jonah know about this?

Posted by: pep at November 09, 2021 12:11 PM (ZsR3z)

15 Two weeks to bend the curve comrades.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at November 09, 2021 12:12 PM (OalnH)

16

California Governor Gavin Newsom is expected to make his first public appearance in nearly two weeks following speculation about why he has not been seen out and about recently.

The governor's office announced Monday that he would take part in a "fireside chat" at the 2021 California Economic Summit in Monterey on Tuesday.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 09, 2021 12:12 PM (63Dwl)

17 Fuck Rochelle in particular. When you see me wearing a mask going into Walmart, call the cops, because I'm there to rob the place.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at November 09, 2021 12:12 PM (o2MD2)

18 This will be the "new normal" for as long at the Democrats are in power. If Trump wins in 2024, it'll stop, but it will be right back in 2028. This is a religion to them and they worship at the altar of Fauci.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 09, 2021 12:12 PM (VWp7G)

19 >>Those of you who said "they're addicted to the pandemic" or "they will never let the pandemic end," collect your winnings.

Yeah, that wasn't me, I thought this insanity would end after the Junta Installed The Meat Puppet.

I do have some spare shoes if anyone else is interested.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 09, 2021 12:12 PM (P75sc)

20 Their genetic code is not well-guarded against misreplication and error. They reproduce sloppily. They lose chunks of their genetic code in replication. They also just grab up any stray genetic code in their vicinity and incorporate it into their genetic core. That's what makes them so incredibly changeable -- so mutable. It's also the mechanism that allows them to suddenly become virulent and lethal.
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This too is the story of Joeholio and his kids.

Posted by: Bete at November 09, 2021 12:12 PM (F9322)

21 It occurs to me that many, many people today lack a stable core. They do not have much by way of a core of fundamental being inside of them. The old pillars that provided strength and solidity to people -- church and family being two of them, friends you actually know in the real world being another, engagement with thought longer and deeper than scrolling through twitter Hot Takes -- are largely absent from many people.

This is the old saying that "When you get rid of religion, you don't believe in nothing, you start to believe in everything." Humans have a natural religious impulse that is hardwired into us and helps drives not just our belief in the supernatural but in the way we organize our societies and our day to day lives.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at November 09, 2021 12:12 PM (wmDcS)

22 The restrictions are their end goal. They achieved their goal.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 09, 2021 12:12 PM (csEWM)

23 The CDC: Sponsored by Pfizer.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 09, 2021 12:12 PM (r5BVk)

24 Mask signs up in all th elocal stores.
About 50% paying attention to them.
It is sad.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 09, 2021 12:13 PM (axyOa)

25 Where is she getting that fantastical, farcical, medical misinformation claim that masks reduce the spread of covid by 80%? Even the N95 masks that actually work only reduce transmission by 60%. The drug store masks that almost everyone actually uses reduce transmission by 10-12%, tops.

she said can help. classic weasel-word dodge.

Posted by: Kulak Anachronda, behind the Newsom curtain at November 09, 2021 12:13 PM (v3pYe)

26 Covid is being phased out...Climate Change will kill w/more efficiency.

Posted by: BignJames at November 09, 2021 12:13 PM (AwYPR)

27 Meanwhile those of us in red states are just going to keep on living our lives...

Posted by: brak at November 09, 2021 12:13 PM (FAP8n)

28 I can't WAIT for all the breathing issues and lung infections! Did a 3rd grader come up with this shit?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 09, 2021 12:13 PM (ynpvh)

29 I saw let the blue areas wear masks forever. I kinda don't care anymore. I haven't worn a mask in over a year nobody bothers me about, nobody where I live gives a fuck about Covid anymore.

But if Seattle and LA and NYC want to keep living in fear for the next 50 years....have at it motherfuckers.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at November 09, 2021 12:13 PM (OalnH)

30 The governor's office announced Monday that he would take part in a "fireside chat" at the 2021 California Economic Summit in Monterey on Tuesday.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 09, 2021 12:12 PM (63Dwl)
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The inner party is allowed to burn firewood in Cali?

Posted by: BunkerintheBurbs at November 09, 2021 12:13 PM (OeWGu)

31 I remember back in the Before Times when every flu season someone would wonder if we should wear masks like they did in Japan, and the Smart People assured us that it was not effective.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (ahosz) at November 09, 2021 12:13 PM (ahosz)

32 If it were to end, the Viral People whose primary code is being a Person of Covid would themselves end.

Not seeing the issue there, Ace.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 09, 2021 12:14 PM (RR8iF)

33 More people have died from/with COVID under Biden than under Trump.

That statement will never be uttered by the MSM.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at November 09, 2021 12:14 PM (EU//e)

34 All we need is Trump to come out and say we shouldn't have to wear masks anymore.

And within a month Biden will issue a mask mandate

Posted by: Lrrr at November 09, 2021 12:15 PM (jIL4c)

35 she said can help. classic weasel-word dodge.
Posted by: Kulak Anachronda, behind the Newsom curtain at November 09, 2021 12:13 PM (v3pYe)

___

With this new miracle pill you can lose **UP TO** 50 lbs in one month!!

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at November 09, 2021 12:15 PM (OalnH)

36 Nice job on the analogy Ace. Well done.

Posted by: whig at November 09, 2021 12:15 PM (9hXN1)

37 The number of people actually addicted to the pandemic, the ones who will force it to continue out of some kind of proactive sense of meaning rather than an overinflated sense of fear because they believe propagandists, is small.

The problem is that instead of like what would happen in previous years and generations when they would be relegated to the fringes of society, ranting on street corners about the end of the world, they have control of the culture.

Maybe we just need another culture. Can we build that, or will the Left make it illegal?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, the hero Gotham deserves at November 09, 2021 12:15 PM (LvTSG)

38 That was a racist question for that poor black woman to have to answer.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Pfizer added a heart attack stabilizer to the kids injection, p14 at November 09, 2021 12:15 PM (/6kZi)

39 I remember back in the Before Times when every flu season someone would wonder if we should wear masks like they did in Japan, and the Smart People assured us that it was not effective.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez

They wear masks in Asian countries because they can chew their air. Not for disease transmission.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 09, 2021 12:15 PM (RR8iF)

40 More people have died from/with COVID under Biden than under Trump.

Yes, but that's only because they WANTED to die after being exposed to Biden.

Posted by: pep at November 09, 2021 12:15 PM (ZsR3z)

41 33 More people have died from/with COVID under Biden than under Trump.

That statement will never be uttered by the MSM.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at November 09, 2021 12:14 PM (EU//e)

==========

Since the introduction of the vaccine.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, the hero Gotham deserves at November 09, 2021 12:15 PM (LvTSG)

42 Where is she getting that fantastical, farcical, medical misinformation claim that masks reduce the spread of covid by 80%? Even the N95 masks that actually work only reduce transmission by 60%. The drug store masks that almost everyone actually uses reduce transmission by 10-12%, tops.
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And even that is hugely optimistic, since it depends on perfect behavior and sanitation habits. Nobody does that, because it is a monumental pain in the ass. No one has good mask habits, and without those good habits efficacy collapses. Even if she weren't outright lying, it is a very sunny interpretation of potential. And even that cheerful interpretation doesn't come remotely close to justifying the kinds of controls they covet.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 09, 2021 12:16 PM (DU+/6)

43 "You see, Mr. Anderson? I was correct in classifying humanity as a virus!"

- Agent Smith

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at November 09, 2021 12:16 PM (dfRN6)

44 If the GOP had a brain and a spine, they would run as the freedom party in 2022. If America voted for covid against that backdrop, you'd have your answer about our viability as a nation. The beginning stages of closure for this shit show.

Posted by: Too Bad Costa Rica Sucks at November 09, 2021 12:16 PM (QZ/dC)

45 I believe it was Dawkins that coined the word "meme" in the book The Selfish Gene.

Posted by: David Prince at November 09, 2021 12:16 PM (/+Wny)

46 The new thing will be to transfer the insanity over to climate change.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 09, 2021 12:16 PM (NazZr)

47 I do have some spare shoes if anyone else is interested.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 09, 2021 12:12 PM (P75sc)

I'll walk a mile in them, after that, I've giving them back

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Dune 2021 review at November 09, 2021 12:16 PM (XvPQV)

48 With this new miracle pill you can lose **UP TO** 50 lbs in one month!!

Everything is on sale, up to 90% off.

Posted by: pep at November 09, 2021 12:16 PM (ZsR3z)

49 US Army intelligence at its finest

The US Army has not purchased enough Microsoft licenses to give every service member and contractor an email account

https://valorguardians.com/blog/?p=119397

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 09, 2021 12:16 PM (B8kNI)

50 ...It occurs to me that many, many people today lack a stable core...

People are so open minded these days their brains fell out.

But you're right.
and Rochelle Walwhat'sername is a liar.

Posted by: Flyover at November 09, 2021 12:16 PM (Rbu5d)

51 Willowed, during our discussion of M*A*S*H and Col. Flagg:

He stopped being a buffoon in that moment and became something much, much scarier.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 09, 2021
*
Thankfully they didn't chase that thread to any degree. . . .

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at November 09, 2021

***
It might have been quite interesting . . . but it might not have suited what was a comedy with dramatic elements, not a drama with humor.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 09, 2021 12:16 PM (txdEq)

52 "Curse your sudden and yet inevitable betrayal!"

Posted by: Buzzion at November 09, 2021 12:16 PM (G2zl5)

53 @25

>>she said can help. classic weasel-word dodge.

Everybody on the planet could wear a level four biosuit and it would make zero difference in the transmission and spread of a virus once it's circulating in populations.

As has been said, virology and epidemiology are no longer a thing.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 09, 2021 12:17 PM (P75sc)

54 Although it's a shame that no one asked her - since she said their focus is "to save lives and get people vaccinated" - why there have been more deaths under Biden than Trump and after 70% of the country has gotten vaccinated.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Pfizer added a heart attack stabilizer to the kids injection, p14 at November 09, 2021 12:17 PM (/6kZi)

55 "27 Meanwhile those of us in red states are just going to keep on living our lives...

Posted by: brak at November 09, 2021 12:13 PM (FAP8n) "

exactly right. outside of blue areas of the state I see very few masks.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (ahosz) at November 09, 2021 12:17 PM (ahosz)

56 The thing that strikes me when I hear Walensky is....she's dumb

Posted by: steevy at November 09, 2021 12:17 PM (CYnTg)

57 Mask signs up in all th elocal stores.
About 50% paying attention to them.
It is sad.
Posted by: Diogenes at November 09, 2021 12:13 PM (axyOa)
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Given where you live, I think it's encouraging that only half the people are complying. I'd say 90% of the people here wear masks and we don't have a mask mandate.

Posted by: bluebell at November 09, 2021 12:17 PM (wyw4S)

58 Maybe we should refuse masks in favor of helmets with full face shields to defeat Big Brother's facial recognition software.

They wouldn't like that at all.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at November 09, 2021 12:17 PM (sWM8x)

59 Those of you who said "they're addicted to the pandemic" or "they will never let the pandemic end," collect your winnings.
___

Pretty sure MP4 isn't exactly happy about being Cassandra over this.

Posted by: Bete at November 09, 2021 12:18 PM (F9322)

60 Walensky/ Levine is, as hard as it is to believe, an even greater threat to America than Merrick Garland and Andrew Weissman.

Posted by: trev006 at November 09, 2021 12:18 PM (Eqkqm)

61 Rachel Walensky: Spreading bald-face lies in the name of "science".

Posted by: Notorious BFD at November 09, 2021 12:18 PM (TKmok)

62 44 If the GOP had a brain and a spine, they would run as the freedom party in 2022

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Good sir, do you know how hard it is to graft off some nebulous idea like freedom?
- GOP

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at November 09, 2021 12:18 PM (OalnH)

63 Given where you live, I think it's encouraging that only half the people are complying. I'd say 90% of the people here wear masks and we don't have a mask mandate.

Too true. I was in Costco a few days ago, and I'd say 98% were masked. I wasn't, and nobody said anything.

Posted by: pep at November 09, 2021 12:18 PM (ZsR3z)

64 Right now masks are " STRONGLY RECOMMENDED"

Posted by: steevy at November 09, 2021 12:18 PM (CYnTg)

65 *hyperventilating increases*

Posted by: Karen, searching for the box wine at November 09, 2021 12:19 PM (mTQ02)

66 It's a Red King scenario. Their world lasts so long as the people slumber. If they awake, it's over.

Posted by: Brother Tim has nothing much to say, lately at November 09, 2021 12:19 PM (OUMaO)

67 Oh, and ace

youtube.com/watch?v=QabAtYBnqro

'What Percent Of CDC Employees Are Vaccinated?': Cassidy Grills Walensky At Senate Hearing"

Worth a watch. Spoilers: CDC employees aren't vaccinated and the office doesn't require vaccination.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Pfizer added a heart attack stabilizer to the kids injection, p14 at November 09, 2021 12:19 PM (/6kZi)

68 Note that Forever Masking really just means that the servant class must keep wearing masks forever so we can more readily identify the black-tie servants at our black-tie dinners - know your place servants.

Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at November 09, 2021 12:19 PM (sX1BW)

69 The mask is not just a political banner but also of caste.

The rich, liberal wears it in public, but only the help has to wear it in private.

Posted by: Lrrr at November 09, 2021 12:19 PM (jIL4c)

70 Blame the "Big Mask" industry.

Posted by: Doof at November 09, 2021 12:19 PM (mZUr4)

71 54 Although it's a shame that no one asked her - since she said their focus is "to save lives and get people vaccinated" - why there have been more deaths under Biden than Trump and after 70% of the country has gotten vaccinated.

it's because of all the covid deniers who refuse to get vaccinated. duh.

Posted by: Rachel Walensky at November 09, 2021 12:19 PM (sGtp+)

72 Given where you live, I think it's encouraging that only half the people are complying. I'd say 90% of the people here wear masks and we don't have a mask mandate.

We've had no mandates here (suburban Baltimore) since July. There was a brief bit of high compliance when the news was shrieking about Delta all the time, but it's gone very low again now. The exceptions as always are the stores most attractive to rich white women, like Trader Joe's and Whole Foods and that sort of thing.

Posted by: Ian S. at November 09, 2021 12:19 PM (ZGrMX)

73 Masked percentage has gone back up. Was like 25% but yesterday in the supermarket was more like 90%

Posted by: steevy at November 09, 2021 12:19 PM (CYnTg)

74 Run of the mill lefties love outward expressions of moral superiority.

Leftists leadership loves that masks hide individual identity.

Posted by: 29Victor at November 09, 2021 12:19 PM (1db/+)

75 *sigh*

Can we get some grade schooler to do a project showing a turtle wearing a mask and have them declared as to be as evil as plastic straws now?

Posted by: Bete at November 09, 2021 12:19 PM (F9322)

76 A lot of children are being hospitalized in Minnesota with a respiratory disease.

RSV

Not COVID

Posted by: rd at November 09, 2021 12:20 PM (Z32m1)

77 Fcuk. I remember when we used to scoff about getting sick. Taking our shirts of in below zero weather at football games.

Posted by: rheee muh SAF teeeeeeee at November 09, 2021 12:20 PM (cO3rm)

78 Yeah, let's do everything possible to destroy our immune systems. that will work out well.

I'm convinced the fibers in the paper mask are what make me sick every time I wear one for an extended period. It's why I have to get out of this state.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at November 09, 2021 12:20 PM (5HBd1)

79 Willowed...

@ArtValley818_

Protest against Covid mandates in New Zealand

https://tinyurl.com/yhfqa92r

This is great! Maori chant!

Posted by: Tami at November 09, 2021 12:20 PM (cF8AT)

80 You are very, very right about that viral tribal mentality. Once that ideology has infected them, it's nearly impossible to shake it out of them again. Only a catastrophic event can do it...except that it may only harden their will against changing their mind. It's very pernicious, and very, very evil.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at November 09, 2021 12:20 PM (YIVH2)

81 Bunch of my cow-workers have been sick because their kids got a cold at school/daycare.

And yes, the kids all have to wear masks.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 09, 2021 12:20 PM (ESjRY)

82 All we need is Trump to come out and say we shouldn't have to wear masks anymore.

And within a month Biden will issue a mask mandate
Posted by: Lrrr

And if Trump came out and said we needed to wear masks, they would be gone last month. Same as with the left saying you would be crazy to take the rushed Trump shot.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 09, 2021 12:20 PM (RR8iF)

83 exactly right. outside of blue areas of the state I see very few masks.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez (ahosz) at November 09, 2021 12:17 PM (ahosz)

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I live in a small blue enclave of an otherwise very red area. And even in my little neck of the woods, very few people are wearing masks. Even at the hippie organic supermarket it's maybe 1/3 masked.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at November 09, 2021 12:20 PM (OalnH)

84 You know there's a flu vaccine too that I bet some companies would just love to have the government make mandatory so they could triple the number of doses needed every year for government to foot the bill on

Posted by: Buzzion at November 09, 2021 12:20 PM (G2zl5)

85 Of course they were going to perma-masking.

And just wait until they start implementing the "global warming" restrictions on your behavior - that's the obvious next step.

Posted by: Your Third World Electric Company! at November 09, 2021 12:20 PM (I2/tG)

86 The mask is not just a political banner but also of caste.

**

Another moron pointed it out, but it's the left's MAGA hat.

They love to force Trump supporters to wear them.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Pfizer added a heart attack stabilizer to the kids injection, p14 at November 09, 2021 12:20 PM (/6kZi)

87

I saw this coming with that twat Large Marge Big Gretch and her glee about the political aspect of this, she literally admitted that it's political.

This is their chance to be superimportant in history and also be superimportant in people's lives.

You don't decouple that from progressives ever. You can also see Biden making sure he emphasises the PANDEMIC when he's lying about whatever bullshit he's lying about. This is a gift to assholes like him and that piece of garbage Gretch.

Posted by: Dr.Rev. Senator Your Highness E Buzz Miller, Esq PhD MA MS at November 09, 2021 12:20 PM (4WPW/)

88 The thing that strikes me when I hear Walensky is....she's dumb
Posted by: steevy at November 09, 2021 12:17 PM (CYnTg)

She's absolutely retarded. I assume she has an "amazing personality," which means sucking a lot of wang, otherwise there's only one explanation of how she got promoted to an important position of control.

That's right: Transylvanian vampires of the Camarilla made her a blood-bound ghoul to cover up vampiric attacks at the federal level.

Posted by: trev006 at November 09, 2021 12:20 PM (Eqkqm)

89 I don't know how much they're addicted to the pandemic as such, versus being addicted to belonging, to be in the group, to be "doing something" with the other good people.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 09, 2021 12:20 PM (DU+/6)

90 It's a Red King scenario. Their world lasts so long as the people slumber. If they awake, it's over.
Posted by: Brother Tim has nothing much to say, lately at November 09, 2021 12:19 PM (OUMaO)

"So often times it happens,
that we live our lives in chains.
And we never even know,
we have the key."

Posted by: Doof at November 09, 2021 12:21 PM (mZUr4)

91 If it were to end, the Viral People whose primary code is being a Person of Covid would themselves end.

Not seeing the issue there, Ace.
Posted by: rickb223
..
I know, right?

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 09, 2021 12:21 PM (CjFDo)

92 Oh did I miss it, did Joey's JV Junta do anything in response to the 5th's stay of the jab?

Besides telling companies to ignore the legal system that is.

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 09, 2021 12:21 PM (B8kNI)

93 Staying in a hotel tomorrow evening in Great Falls MT. Mask are mandatory in the common areas and their restaurant. IN MT! Jeebus the stupid burns. Gonna see if they enforce it.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at November 09, 2021 12:21 PM (2NHgQ)

94 Also why doesn't Black Psaki have a mask on?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Pfizer added a heart attack stabilizer to the kids injection, p14 at November 09, 2021 12:21 PM (/6kZi)

95 Too true. I was in Costco a few days ago, and I'd say 98% were masked. I wasn't, and nobody said anything.
Posted by: pep at November 09, 2021 12:18 PM (ZsR3z)
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I never wear one, except to doctors' offices, and no one has said anything to me. My husband says he's gotten some dirty looks. Maybe I just don't notice because I'm not paying that much attention.

When we were handing out sample ballots on Election Day, none of the Republicans wore a mask. All of the Democrats did. Outside, of course.

Posted by: bluebell at November 09, 2021 12:21 PM (wyw4S)

96 81 Yeah well masks are worse than useless for kids, constantly touching them, their nose, their eyes

Posted by: steevy at November 09, 2021 12:21 PM (CYnTg)

97 Was putting this ignorant cunt in charge of public health matters Sundown's idea of a polack joke?

Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Michael Byrd Murdered Ashli Babbitt at November 09, 2021 12:21 PM (y7DUB)

98 You need to measure the shot needed to cure Viral People in caliber.

Posted by: Roy at November 09, 2021 12:22 PM (Lw0q3)

99 I get confused. Is Rachel Wolensky the four-star admiral dude in a dress?

Posted by: Northernlurker at November 09, 2021 12:22 PM (cSyAR)

100 The left: Thinking that Pfizer and Moderna would push their shots just to make money is crazy conspiracy thinking. If you can't trust mega corporations to be mindful of our rights who can you trust?

Also the left: You know doctors will cut off your foot just to make money off the surgery.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 09, 2021 12:22 PM (ESjRY)

101 89 I don't know how much they're addicted to the pandemic as such, versus being addicted to belonging, to be in the group, to be "doing something" with the other good people.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 09, 2021 12:20 PM (DU+/6)

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But going to church is just dumb.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, the hero Gotham deserves at November 09, 2021 12:22 PM (LvTSG)

102 I don't know how much they're addicted to the pandemic as such, versus being addicted to belonging, to be in the group, to be "doing something" with the other good people.

I wonder if there's a MAGA mask out there. That would put the libs in an impossible situation.

Posted by: pep at November 09, 2021 12:23 PM (ZsR3z)

103 Wolensky: Ugly woman in a dress.

Levine: Ugly man in a dress.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 09, 2021 12:23 PM (ESjRY)

104 So instead of a red dress to be a handmaid, it is masks.

Got it.

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 09, 2021 12:23 PM (B8kNI)

105 I'm convinced the fibers in the paper mask are what make me sick every time I wear one for an extended period. It's why I have to get out of this state.
Posted by: Notsothoreau

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If you don't know why asbestos is so dangerous you should probably look it up.

I have said it before, but we're likely going to see a LOT of lung cancers in the next ten years from people inhaling those plastic fibers.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Pfizer added a heart attack stabilizer to the kids injection, p14 at November 09, 2021 12:23 PM (/6kZi)

106 The problem is that Seattle is not Washington state. We have a lot of very rural areas here and not enough people to out vote Puget Sound. We don't need the masks and really haven't needed them since day one. And mask mandates in Oregon are even stupider.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at November 09, 2021 12:23 PM (5HBd1)

107 99. Nah, the dude in the dress is Levine.

Posted by: PaleRider, hysteria denier at November 09, 2021 12:23 PM (3cGpq)

108 Spoiler alert - masks don't stop influenza or common cold virus either.

Posted by: Roy at November 09, 2021 12:23 PM (Lw0q3)

109 My policy now is to not wear a mask anywhere until I'm forced to (airports are in full Nazi mode, still). I'm saddened to see, even in Monroe Washington, lots of people still masking up. It seems to be getting worse here, not better.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Dune 2021 review at November 09, 2021 12:23 PM (XvPQV)

110 @LawSelfDefense 1m

Holy cow, the State's own medical examiner is blowing up their theory of the case.

ADA Kraus repeatedly objecting to medical examiner's questions, Dr. Kelley is answering favorably to defense.

Richards: If I was charging like a bull, and diving, that would be consistent?

It would be.

Oofah.

Posted by: Tami at November 09, 2021 12:23 PM (cF8AT)

111 I don't know how much they're addicted to the pandemic as such, versus being addicted to belonging, to be in the group, to be "doing something" with the other good people.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 09, 2021 12:20 PM (DU+/6)

Virtue Signaling Addiction.

Even Betty Ford would throw up her hands in despair.

Posted by: LASue at November 09, 2021 12:23 PM (Ed8Zd)

112 92 Oh did I miss it, did Joey's JV Junta do anything in response to the 5th's stay of the jab?

Besides telling companies to ignore the legal system that is.
Posted by: Anna Puma at November 09, 2021 12:21 PM (B8kNI)
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I read that the WH responded with a request to have all the lawsuits from the various states rolled into one mega lawsuit, judge hasn't responded as far as I know.

Posted by: BunkerintheBurbs at November 09, 2021 12:23 PM (OeWGu)

113 93 Staying in a hotel tomorrow evening in Great Falls MT. Mask are mandatory in the common areas and their restaurant. IN MT! Jeebus the stupid burns. Gonna see if they enforce it.
Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at November 09, 2021 12:21 PM (2NHgQ)

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National chains have the same policy everywhere. But my experience has been employees kinda LOLGF in the redder areas vs blue areas where it's like the fucking Stasi.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at November 09, 2021 12:23 PM (OalnH)

114 When do we get to the the left to "stop making this poltiical?"

I'm just kidding. I know that answer already is NEVER.

Posted by: reason at November 09, 2021 12:24 PM (o0WIV)

115 96 81 Yeah well masks are worse than useless for kids, constantly touching them, their nose, their eyes
Posted by: steevy at November 09, 2021 12:21 PM (CYnTg)

Hold on let me fish my mask out of my pocket after I have just touched the door handle 400 other people have touched!

Posted by: Buzzion at November 09, 2021 12:24 PM (G2zl5)

116 Last time at Kroger saw a very elderly fellow shuffling along, bent and twisted over his cart, wearing a respirator under his face shield. Gloves too.

While I applaud his determination to do his own food shopping and get out and about, I was thinking the home delivery option would be a much better option for him.

And my dark side was thinking, "Dude, you've got one foot in the coffin and both hands on the gunwales already. Just enjoy what time you have left."

Posted by: Count de Monet, Unvaccinated Kulak-American at November 09, 2021 12:24 PM (4I/2K)

117 It's a religious talisman to them

Posted by: steevy at November 09, 2021 12:24 PM (CYnTg)

118 The left: Thinking that Pfizer and Moderna would push their shots just to make money is crazy conspiracy thinking. If you can't trust mega corporations to be mindful of our rights who can you trust?

Also the left: You know doctors will cut off your foot just to make money off the surgery.

Posted by: 18-1

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Holy crap that's a great pull. Well done.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Pfizer added a heart attack stabilizer to the kids injection, p14 at November 09, 2021 12:25 PM (/6kZi)

119 Yeah, I know about the fibers. l have an autoimmune disease triggered by bird dander. And I can't wear the cloth masks because they collapse in as I breathe. I am very tired of being under house arrest for two years so people in Seattle can "be safe".

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at November 09, 2021 12:25 PM (5HBd1)

120 I'm convinced the fibers in the paper mask are what make me sick every time I wear one for an extended period. It's why I have to get out of this state.
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They aren't made to be worn for hours. You should throw them out after couple hours. They do get some bacteria to stick in them on the way in and out and in the moist humid environment in a couple hours you are walking around with a Petri Dish over you nose and mouth. You can't wash them and if you use them again over the course of days or a week. You are massively increasing your risk of bacterial pneumonia.

Posted by: masks really do more harm than good which is why we never used them pre panic at November 09, 2021 12:25 PM (x+caK)

121 Oh -- this Wallensky is a real woman? I was thinking the story was about the man pretending to be a woman who is now an admiral.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 09, 2021 12:25 PM (txdEq)

122 Shit, I need to go work on my core.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at November 09, 2021 12:25 PM (Y5qcH)

123 And my dark side was thinking, "Dude, you've got one foot in the coffin and both hands on the gunwales already. Just enjoy what time you have left."

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That's not dark side. I have no clue why the elderly would want to live out their years under a mask.

Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at November 09, 2021 12:25 PM (sX1BW)

124 Do the LIVs know that the reason people traditionally wear masks in Chinese cities is the severe air pollution? I'm guessing no.

Also, enjoy your cheap Chinese plastic junk!

Posted by: 18-1 at November 09, 2021 12:25 PM (ESjRY)

125 It's a religious talisman to them
Posted by: steevy at November 09, 2021 12:24 PM (CYnTg)
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My friend calls it "the church of Covid."

Posted by: bluebell at November 09, 2021 12:25 PM (wyw4S)

126 76 A lot of children are being hospitalized in Minnesota with a respiratory disease. RSV Not COVID
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There are still reports of overflowing ER's all around the country. I don't know how credible those reports are, but I'm 100% certain that CDC would try to hide this development if it's true.

100% certain.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at November 09, 2021 12:25 PM (sWM8x)

127 Yeah, unfortunately if Trump came out and said, "we all must wear masks" mask wearing would end.

Posted by: redridinghood at November 09, 2021 12:26 PM (NpAcC)

128 Was the foot thing an AOC gem?

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at November 09, 2021 12:26 PM (OalnH)

129 It defines them. It determines who their kinship group are. It makes a tribe, it makes a culture.

Oregon currently estimates that 90% of the vaccinated are complying with the mask edicts, but only 58% of the unvaccinated.

Oregon also estimates that more than half of the unvaccinated have been infected, so they have natural immunity. For that group, it is perfectly rational to ignore the mask mandates.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at November 09, 2021 12:26 PM (I2/tG)

130 Of course

Posted by: Skip's Phone at November 09, 2021 12:26 PM (dzvKK)

131 Maybe we can make the pandemic end the same way the taliban made the Afghanistan forever war end.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at November 09, 2021 12:26 PM (0ryfU)

132 I read that the WH responded with a request to have all the lawsuits from the various states rolled into one mega lawsuit, judge hasn't responded as far as I know.
Posted by: BunkerintheBurbs at November 09, 2021 12:23 PM (OeWGu)

Consolidation
I think the various states groups make different arguments, but as long as the Fifth Cir. got the consolidated package, I don't care.
But that's not what would happen.

Posted by: LASue at November 09, 2021 12:26 PM (Ed8Zd)

133 93 Staying in a hotel tomorrow evening in Great Falls MT. Mask are mandatory in the common areas and their restaurant. IN MT! Jeebus the stupid burns. Gonna see if they enforce it.
Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at November 09, 2021 12:21 PM (2NHgQ)
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Two lonely truckers from Great Falls Montana,
A salesman from places unknown,
Will all gather 'round in downtown Toledo
And each spend their big night alone!

Posted by: John Denver at November 09, 2021 12:26 PM (o0WIV)

134 "Masks Forever" only applies to the help and wait staff at Walensky's cocktail dinner parties, right?

Posted by: Lady in Black at November 09, 2021 12:26 PM (sVtYq)

135 Think about paper recycling: You can't get rid of it even with literally decades of proof it doesn't work in any way, shape or form.

Blue areas will be forcing their kids to wear masks forever ....

Posted by: Lrrr at November 09, 2021 12:26 PM (jIL4c)

136 If this were truly a pandemic/black death, there would be biohazard containment receptacles for biohazard waste, i.e., masks.

WHERE ARE THEY?

Posted by: rickb223 at November 09, 2021 12:27 PM (mvepF)

137 "Or, you know, they could just find a new line of mutant mental illness to obsess over."

Nah, they've already hit rock bottom, they're Democrats.

Posted by: Gmac - WTF did you think was going to happen? at November 09, 2021 12:27 PM (qZdIZ)

138 I'll repost the Dr Campbell video here:

https://youtu.be/ufy2AweXRkc

There are some problems with grocery delivery. There are a lot of things that you just can't get, even though the store carries them (like whole hams or frozen turkeys). You miss out on sales. And you get even less exercise, while your immune system deteriorates.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at November 09, 2021 12:27 PM (5HBd1)

139 A lot of children are being hospitalized in Minnesota with a respiratory disease. RSV Not COVID

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I wonder if keeping people, and especially little kids, isolated from one another could have any negative effects on their long-term immune system functions?
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Posted by: Moron Robbie - Pfizer added a heart attack stabilizer to the kids injection, p14 at November 09, 2021 12:27 PM (/6kZi)

140 I hope the 5th tells Joey, "Nah bro, we are only talking about this case. Ban stays in effect until you write something."

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 09, 2021 12:28 PM (JcqA0)

141 How many fingers am I holding up Winston?

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at November 09, 2021 12:28 PM (iDcra)

142 That's right: Transylvanian vampires of the Camarilla made her a blood-bound ghoul to cover up vampiric attacks at the federal level.
Posted by: trev006 at November 09, 2021 12:20 PM (Eqkqm)

*White Wolf tabletop gamer spotted*

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Dune 2021 review at November 09, 2021 12:28 PM (XvPQV)

143 Latoya the Destroya still has her proof of vax mandate on for the city for indoor dining and gyms. However, a colleague of mine tells me she ate at a restaurant near here the other day and nobody asked her anything other than what she wanted from the menu.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 09, 2021 12:28 PM (txdEq)

144 You miss out on sales.

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Yeah, but that doesn't matter to the rich.

Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at November 09, 2021 12:28 PM (sX1BW)

145 140 I hope the 5th tells Joey, "Nah bro, we are only talking about this case. Ban stays in effect until you write something."
Posted by: Anna Puma at November 09, 2021 12:28 PM (JcqA0)

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"We will enforce it. How many battalions does the 5th Circuit Court command?"
-Joe Biden, sharting

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, the hero Gotham deserves at November 09, 2021 12:28 PM (LvTSG)

146 Anna Puma's comment at #7 couldn't be more accurate. I spent about 7 years in northeast Asia in the 1990's and many of them wore masks to ward off getting sick. Masks do work if worn properly but there was no mandate there, just a cultural thing. As an American, I take offense to almost any mandate or new law the democrats propose or enact as well as most of those from Republicans. Being a medical train wreck, I will decide what is best for me with my doctors' advice and MY consent.

Posted by: Bill R. at November 09, 2021 12:29 PM (wzzJf)

147 I wish I was old enough to just retire go home to my garden and not deal with these fools or listen to any of this stupid crap again.

Posted by: Just Lily at November 09, 2021 12:29 PM (2p+2o)

148 Masking is very much a midwit-friendly solution. Midwits are to smart enough to know about germs (they exist!), smart enough to know putting something between you and germs is usually better than not having something, but not smart enough to run the risk-reward calculation for societal-wide cloth masking.

To help out the midwits we probably need to make up nice sounding numbers that purport to assign a nice simple value reflecting the benefits of non-masking so they're simple minds can properly evaluate the benefits of non-masking.

We just need people to start putting out papers/studies saying things like: "Masking reduces the societal benefice index by 75% and it will raise global temperatures by 4C by 2120."

Posted by: Match Checksout at November 09, 2021 12:29 PM (dYe5S)

149 Joe X. Not a chain. Privately owned hotel.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at November 09, 2021 12:29 PM (2NHgQ)

150 I strongly recommend that all the blue states wear blue masks eternally, and at all times, indoors, outdoors, while eating and drinking, sleeping, swimming, at all times.

Covid and other viruses don't know you are eating, they get into your body and have sex and reproduce in your lungs. Only a blue mask can save you from these icky virii.

Governor Whitmer send your State Security Forces out to find mask refusers and execute them on the spot for any violation. Its the only way to be safe.

Require fetal masking, particularly during abortions, its for the children.

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at November 09, 2021 12:29 PM (0B/5D)

151 All Democratic Party perverts, criminals and weirdos look alike to me.
Does that make me a racist?

Posted by: Northernlurker at November 09, 2021 12:29 PM (cSyAR)

152 Donks. They work for the Chinese, you know.

Posted by: klaftern at November 09, 2021 12:29 PM (taPSh)

153 There is a line in an old Country song. "You've got to stand for something or you'll fall for anything"

Which so fits the left. They think they are above foolishness like religion or standing for their country and they fall for every two bit scam out there. If there weren't so many leftists and so many of the scams end up costing everyone in the country $100s per scam it would be laughable. But it is creepy/scary at this point, having a huge mob that is ready to 'burn the denier' living close by.

Posted by: PaleRider, hysteria denier at November 09, 2021 12:29 PM (3cGpq)

154 If this were truly a pandemic/black death, there would be biohazard containment receptacles for biohazard waste, i.e., masks.

WHERE ARE THEY?
Posted by: rickb223 at November 09, 2021 12:27 PM (mvepF)

Around here, they're laying on the side of the road t and in the HEB parking lot, trampled and gross, daring someone to pick them up.

Posted by: LASue at November 09, 2021 12:29 PM (Ed8Zd)

155 A clueless Antifa "journalist" in Portland, commenting on the Kyle trial:

What the defense doesn't seem to understand is they're building the most hypocritical case. If Kyle has the right to self defense with a gun, so did Gaige.

Gaige isn't on trial, idiot.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at November 09, 2021 12:30 PM (I2/tG)

156 There is WaWa ad where the customer and staff are masked. Still a lot of ads pushing " contactless".who is getting COVID from taking a bag from someone? It's all irrational

Posted by: steevy at November 09, 2021 12:30 PM (CYnTg)

157 Healthy immunes systems need to be stressed to stay in shape. If you lived in a bubble, you end up with a weak immune system and then get killed by something everyone else survives.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at November 09, 2021 12:30 PM (UuD2k)

158 I wish I was old enough to just retire go home to my garden and not deal with these fools or listen to any of this stupid crap again.

It has much to recommend it.

Posted by: pep at November 09, 2021 12:30 PM (ZsR3z)

159 I'm not too upset about masks in the blue states because I don't want to look at those people anyway.

Posted by: Caliban at November 09, 2021 12:30 PM (HgGBT)

160 Donks. They work for the Chinese, you know.
Posted by: klaftern at November 09, 2021 12:29 PM (taPSh)
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What are we? Chopped liver?

Posted by: Republicans, universities, press outfits, government agencies, financial institutions, et. al at November 09, 2021 12:30 PM (DU+/6)

161 The drug store masks that almost everyone actually uses reduce transmission by 10-12%, tops.
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That's probably only true if an infected person coughs or sneezes right in your face, while standing directly in front of you. The cloth/paper masks gape open on the sides, so you get no protection from even big droplets there. And the masks only stop the large droplets, not the microscopic ones, so even if you're wearing a mask and some infected person coughs or sneezes directly at you, you're still not really protected.

Then there's the fact that lots of people wear the masks on the bottom part of their faces, without covering their noses, which makes them even less likely to do any good.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--F*ck Joe Biden at November 09, 2021 12:30 PM (k4dH2)

162 Healthy immunes systems need to be stressed to stay in shape. If you lived in a bubble, you end up with a weak immune system and then get killed by something everyone else survives.

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That's why I like to stress my body with alcohol.

Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at November 09, 2021 12:31 PM (sX1BW)

163 . . . Oregon also estimates that more than half of the unvaccinated have been infected, so they have natural immunity. For that group, it is perfectly rational to ignore the mask mandates.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at November 09, 2021

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It's ben perfectly rational to ignore them since the beginning of tis hysteria. Even if the Sino-Flu were the new Black Death, these cloth masks would not protect you.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 09, 2021 12:31 PM (txdEq)

164 There are still reports of overflowing ER's all around the country. I don't know how credible those reports are, but I'm 100% certain that CDC would try to hide this development if it's true.

100% certain.
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at November 09, 2021 12:25 PM (sWM8x)
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One aspect of the "overflowing ERs and ICUs" tales that are often ignored due to inconvenience:

The metric that determines an ICU's capacity is not actual number of rooms or number of beds. It is number of STAFF available to support patients.

You might have an ICU with 80 rooms, but only enough staff for 20 of those rooms to be functioning. Twenty people are in that ICU and so guess what - ICU IS 100% CAPACITY OMG OVERFLOWING CRISIS! Pay no attention to the other 60 doors with darkened rooms and nobody inside down the hall.

Now...if only there was a reason we suddenly had a shortage of staff...hm. Oh well. It boggles the mind. I can't think of a single reason.

Posted by: reason at November 09, 2021 12:31 PM (o0WIV)

165 My supermarket put a garbage can by the cart return to keep people from leaving their mask in the cart

Posted by: steevy at November 09, 2021 12:31 PM (CYnTg)

166 What the defense doesn't seem to understand is they're building the most hypocritical case. If Kyle has the right to self defense with a gun, so did Gaige.

You don't get to claim self defense as the aggressor.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 09, 2021 12:31 PM (mvepF)

167 I fly at least once a month for business. I'm at ord now. As usual, 99.9999% of people cowtown to the mask. So if your'e one of those "courageous conservative cobs" who melt at the airport: Fuck you poser. It ends when she say it ends. Problem is Americans have no spine.

Posted by: MikeN at November 09, 2021 12:31 PM (aSpYI)

168 115 Hold on let me fish my mask out of my pocket after I have just touched the door handle 400 other people have touched!

visited the doctor a month or so ago. person guarding the entrance asked if i needed a mask. i said "no, i got one" as i pulled my visibly dirty, never been washed since the start of the pandemic mask out of my pocket. she looked horrified and insisted that i take one of hers.

Posted by: Kulak Anachronda, behind the Newsom curtain at November 09, 2021 12:31 PM (sGtp+)

169 If Kyle has the right to self defense with a gun, so did Gaige.

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You had me at legalized dueling!

Posted by: I see what you did there, even tho you do not at November 09, 2021 12:31 PM (MP2/L)

170 136 If this were truly a pandemic/black death, there would be biohazard containment receptacles for biohazard waste, i.e., masks.

WHERE ARE THEY?
Posted by: rickb223 at November 09, 2021 12:27 PM (mvepF)

Apparently every parking lot and rodeway is I biohazard waste receptacle judging by how many abandoned masks are blowing around on the ground.

Posted by: Just Lily at November 09, 2021 12:32 PM (2p+2o)

171 Use a Sharpie to write the most vulgar or insulting things on the front of your paper masks if forced to wear one. My current favorite is "People who make me wear this are RETARDS."

Here in Commiefornia, it is required to wear one in a medical office. I go in without one and make them provide it. Then I surreptitiously take my pocket knife and slice it open in front.

If I go to a place of business and am told I need a mask, I turn and leave. On the way to the exit, I've been chased down by store owners or managers offering me a mask so that I am worthy to stay. I decline and make it clear that my business is going elsewhere.

I rebel where I can.

Posted by: Stu Podaso at November 09, 2021 12:32 PM (YDeRc)

172 One aspect of the "overflowing ERs and ICUs" tales that are often ignored due to inconvenience:

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How about the flood of illegals that will now use the ERs for everything because hey ... its free.

Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at November 09, 2021 12:32 PM (sX1BW)

173 I don't see masks ever going away in doctors offices.

Posted by: redridinghood at November 09, 2021 12:32 PM (NpAcC)

174 This is why when a new Torah is written, it is very much a carefully conducted religious rite.

To avoid 'mutation' - to provide an unchanging core that you can base things on.

Posted by: Parker at November 09, 2021 12:32 PM (hJWil)

175 We have a mask mandate in my local grocery store.

Saw a guy buy a pastry and just kind of nibble it the whole time. Since you don't have to wear a mask when you were eating it was...brilliant.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 09, 2021 12:32 PM (ESjRY)

176 "we say it ends"

Posted by: MikeN at November 09, 2021 12:32 PM (aSpYI)

177 171 Friend of mine has a mask that reads " If you think this works you must be a Democrat"

Posted by: steevy at November 09, 2021 12:32 PM (CYnTg)

178 Everyone knew this was coming. They are never, ever giving up control.

Eventually someone is gonna get clever and release the rate of death that ordinary seasonal flu causes and claim that means we can never relax our caution.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 09, 2021 12:33 PM (KZzsI)

179 The drug store masks that almost everyone actually uses reduce transmission by 10-12%, tops.

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MAYBE for the first five minutes you put it on and before you start touching everything and then f*cking with it for the rest of the day.

And then take it off, hang it from your car mirror, and put it back on the next day as you're going into the McDonalds restroom.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Pfizer added a heart attack stabilizer to the kids injection, p14 at November 09, 2021 12:33 PM (/6kZi)

180 However, a colleague of mine tells me she ate at a restaurant near here the other day and nobody asked her anything other than what she wanted from the menu.

I was eating lunch at a Chinese restaurant in Portland. A couple of Hispanic construction workers came in, without masks, and asked if it was OK to be served without masks.

The waiter seated the workers behind a pillar, so they weren't visible from outside.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at November 09, 2021 12:33 PM (I2/tG)

181 The drug store masks that almost everyone actually uses reduce transmission by 10-12%, tops.

The box they come in says they do nothing to prevent viral illness.

Nothing.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 09, 2021 12:33 PM (KZzsI)

182 How about the flood of illegals that will now use the ERs for everything because hey ... its free.
Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at November 09, 2021 12:32 PM (sX1BW)
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Highly regional, and where it's a problem it is a capacity crusher.

But the capacity of a hospital depends on it's number of staffed beds. If you reduce the number of beds or the number of staff, you reduce capacity.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 09, 2021 12:33 PM (DU+/6)

183 Andrew Branca in one of his posts over at Legal Insurrection was taking apart and explaining the legal definition of what a 'provoker' is.

Rosenbaum, Huber, and Grozzkreutz all provoked Kyle. They chased after a guy they knew was armed. They got what they deserved.

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 09, 2021 12:33 PM (JcqA0)

184 Many workplaces still have masking in place. Once they purge the Unclean from their ranks, will they lift these policies? How could they? Those left behind will still come on contact with the general public in their private lives. It is not possible to "vaccinate" everyone for a host of reasons.

Based upon that, the Unclean should not be fired because if masking was adequate protection in the workplace prior, why would we need the purge?

Posted by: Bicentennialguy at November 09, 2021 12:34 PM (y6K75)

185 Beep...

Posted by: Gavin Newsom at November 09, 2021 12:34 PM (wAnMi)

186 Healthy immunes systems need to be stressed to stay in shape. If you lived in a bubble, you end up with a weak immune system and then get killed by something everyone else survives.

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That's why I like to stress my body with alcohol
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Imagine the immune boost you'd get from trolling a gay bathouse!

Posted by: Dr. Fauci at November 09, 2021 12:34 PM (MP2/L)

187 167 As usual, 99.9999% of people cowtown to the mask.

going down to to cowtown
the cow's a friend to me
lives beneath the ocean
and that's where i will be
beneath the waves the waves
oh that's where i will be
i'm going to see the cow beneath the sea

Posted by: They Might Be Giants at November 09, 2021 12:34 PM (oY6Yp)

188 At my local hospital there are bodies rotting on the front steps due to all the Covid deaths.

No, wait that's not happening.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at November 09, 2021 12:34 PM (OalnH)

189 @155

>>If Kyle has the right to self defense with a gun, so did Gaige.

Uhmm, at no point in time is it alleged that Kyle attacked Gaige or anyone, so Gaige "defending" himself with deadly force from someone who isn't actively attacking or threatening him is illegal.

These people need to be introduced to business end of an industrial wood chipper.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 09, 2021 12:34 PM (P75sc)

190 Who all remembers when that fascist President Trump ignored a court order, even from a minor bench?

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at November 09, 2021 12:34 PM (iDcra)

191 Eventually someone is gonna get clever and release the rate of death that ordinary seasonal flu causes and claim that means we can never relax our caution.

They're already making that argument - there was almost no flu season last winter, which shows that permanent mask mandates are a wonderful thing.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at November 09, 2021 12:34 PM (I2/tG)

192 Sort of like we haven't had a plane hijacking in 20 years but you better believe TSA and the trillions that agency has cost us will still be around 100 years from now.

We'll be taking off our shoes and having pat downs forever.

Or we could have fixed our open door immigration policies for allowing those hijackers to not be deported.

Posted by: Blago at November 09, 2021 12:35 PM (H7KpM)

193 Think about this:
What could you possibly say to the person outside, 50 feet from the nearest person, wearing a mask, that would convince them to stop?

Or the guy driving alone, blue paper over his face?

Nothing. They are so far gone, blind obedience to authority defines their whole existence.

Posted by: Lrrr at November 09, 2021 12:35 PM (jIL4c)

194 Many workplaces still have masking in place. Once they purge the Unclean from their ranks, will they lift these policies? ...
Posted by: Bicentennialguy at November 09, 2021 12:34 PM (y6K75)
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Of course not. Once they finish the purge, it'll be clear that if you don't obey, then you will join the purged. Not just on masking, but on everything.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 09, 2021 12:35 PM (DU+/6)

195 *White Wolf tabletop gamer spotted*
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Dune 2021 review at November 09, 2021 12:28 PM (XvPQV)

Former. Their new lore is trash even by the genre standard.

Besides, Midnight's War is the new hot shit. Makes V20 look like Count Duckula.

Posted by: trev006 at November 09, 2021 12:35 PM (Eqkqm)

196 A sweet article lede on Daily Mail now:

'Stay in the streets and keep pushing': Green New Deal champion AOC tells activists to get back the 'moral authority' lost under Trump and pushes her 300,000 climate corps in front of puzzled COP26 crowds who 'don't know who she is'

Posted by: Gref at November 09, 2021 12:35 PM (AMIL/)

197 In Quebec the medical staff threaten to strike over a clot shot mandate and...won.

Who knew the freest part of Canada would be the French part?

Posted by: 18-1 at November 09, 2021 12:35 PM (ESjRY)

198 191
They're already making that argument - there was almost no flu season last winter, which shows that permanent mask mandates are a wonderful thing.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at November 09, 2021 12:34 PM (I2/tG)

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What about in red states?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, the hero Gotham deserves at November 09, 2021 12:35 PM (LvTSG)

199 Also, please inform purge supporters that they can never go into the post office again. They are exempt as far as I understand. They also cannot come in contact with the postman or anyone else who has been in the post office or in contact with a postman.

Posted by: Bicentennialguy at November 09, 2021 12:35 PM (y6K75)

200 35 she said can help. classic weasel-word dodge.
Posted by: Kulak Anachronda, behind the Newsom curtain at November 09, 2021 12:13 PM (v3pYe)

___

With this new miracle pill you can lose **UP TO** 50 lbs in one month!!

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at November 09, 2021 12:15 PM (OalnH)

Socialism does a better job; Venezuela proves that Socialism is the best weight loss program around.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 09, 2021 12:35 PM (ynpvh)

201 And then take it off, hang it from your car mirror, and put it back on the next day as you're going into the McDonalds restroom.
Posted by: Moron Robbie

HA!! I fool them all, I don't use restrooms....

...PoopyPants...

Posted by: Bruce at November 09, 2021 12:35 PM (vd8XM)

202 I don't think I'm the 1st person to refer to leftism as a memetic plague but I know I've typed it into the comments box before.

Posted by: DaveA at November 09, 2021 12:36 PM (FhXTo)

203 The issue is one of politics and greed. On one part, there is the greed being pushed by the donor class. Every time there's a calamity, medical, insurance, and safety all get extra cash. Then there's the politics. The idiots in charge have no idea what the backlash of dropping the ruse will be. They don't know how people will respond and with the pressure from donors to keep going, they are having their decision making skewed. I really do think at this time we are watching the spineless government class fighting their own ineptitude and stupidity.

Posted by: squid_hunt at November 09, 2021 12:36 PM (Ectld)

204
COVID ends. Dr. Peter Hotez hardest hit.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 09, 2021 12:36 PM (/U27+)

205 Ace - I'm sorry - but those masking effectiveness percentages are not even close to reality. Surgical, cloth masks do nothing. There is one study from Indonesia? maybe that suggest they have some efficacy. And strangely, discussion of it just disappeared. Nothing else reports any efficacy at all. Flu studies have been done forever - and no studies found any effect whatsoever. You can even find those flu studies on the CDC website if you look hard enough. And all mask producers say their masks don't stop viruses.

And to the N95 - one, it must be fitted. And two, the filtering must be appropriate. I am unaware of any long term control studies just evaluating N95 masks - but if their public usage effectiveness was much beyond 10% I would be shocked.

Data - provided by individual state health departments -show no positive impact in mask usage in curtailing covid spread. In fact, there is a slight positive correlation between heavy mask usage and covid spread. But that's just correlation. We all know about that.

Posted by: Black JEM at November 09, 2021 12:36 PM (V6xwG)

206 In Quebec the medical staff threaten to strike over a clot shot mandate and...won.

Who knew the freest part of Canada would be the French part?
Posted by: 18-1 at November 09, 2021 12:35 PM (ESjRY)
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Tell that to the people of Quebec who have to have a vaccine passport to engage in most forms of commerce, with a special-purpose phone app to track it and make it easier.

Groups striking and winning doesn't mean those governments are remotely acceptable.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 09, 2021 12:37 PM (DU+/6)

207
What the defense doesn't seem to understand is they're building the most hypocritical case. If Kyle has the right to self defense with a gun, so did Gaige.

Gaige isn't on trial, idiot.
_________

Also, Kyle was carrying his gun openly, as was legal to do in Wisconsin. Grossface, by contrast, was carrying his gun concealed, despite the fact that he did not have a concealed carry permit as required by Wisconsin law.

They both had the right to carry a gun, but Grossface was carrying his illegally.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--F*ck Joe Biden at November 09, 2021 12:37 PM (k4dH2)

208 There's a reason why memetic transmission of ideas fascinates me so. There's a fundamental, apparently hard wired into the brain, need to not only pattern match but to also grab an identity and find an in group so that you can then shun the out group. Evolutional biology is a helluva thing, to the extent we even have the most rudimentary idea about brain structure.

All that being said, I am annoyed that the Asian cultural norm that if you are sick, you wear a mask so you don't cough all over everyone else is going to get jettisoned since masks are now a religious symbol.

Posted by: alexthechick - boobs and hysteria at November 09, 2021 12:37 PM (mf5HN)

209 visited the doctor a month or so ago. person guarding the entrance asked if i needed a mask. i said "no, i got one" as i pulled my visibly dirty, never been washed since the start of the pandemic mask out of my pocket. she looked horrified and insisted that i take one of hers.
Posted by: Kulak Anachronda, behind the Newsom curtain at November 09, 2021 12:31 PM (sGtp+)

At my doctor's office, you have to wear one of theirs. I even wore a "good" one, not my pink sparkly one or my UnMask, and they still made me use one of their paper ones.

Posted by: Jordan61 at November 09, 2021 12:37 PM (jm4rC)

210 @191

>>They're already making that argument - there was almost no flu season last winter, which shows that permanent mask mandates are a wonderful thing.

Well it's easy to have no flu season when your classifying flu as COVID.

So again, wood chippers for them all.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 09, 2021 12:37 PM (P75sc)

211 A very prominent former President once said, masks are kinda patriotic.

Posted by: Capital Eff believes #RonnaMustGo #McCarthyMustGo #McConnellMustGo at November 09, 2021 12:37 PM (2xGy+)

212 MAYBE for the first five minutes you put it on and before you start touching everything and then f*cking with it for the rest of the day.

And then take it off, hang it from your car mirror, and put it back on the next day as you're going into the McDonalds restroom.
Posted by: Moron Robbie

I have a cloth mask from March of 2020. It has the vent. I pulled the rubber diaphragm out. It's been wShed maybe 3 times because I forgot and left it in my pants pocket. Fuck em. I wear into work because they pay me. I don't wear it anyplace else.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 09, 2021 12:37 PM (mvepF)

213 What could you possibly say to the person outside, 50 feet from the nearest person, wearing a mask, that would convince them to stop?

I think the FNM has convinced a large number of people that COVID just floats around outside, kind of like pollen or ragweed dander.

When you mention to these LIVs that you can only get COVID if someone is near you, has the disease, and exposes you to droplets with it they get a confused look on their faces.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 09, 2021 12:37 PM (ESjRY)

214 173 I don't see masks ever going away in doctors offices.

Posted by: redridinghood at November 09, 2021 12:32 PM (NpAcC)

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I've also come to this conclusion. However, there will be exceptions.

I was pleasantly surprised to find my dentist's office mask free when I went for my cleaning last month (other than when the staff were at work on the patients, which wasn't any different than before the era of COVID).

Posted by: Curly Shuffle at November 09, 2021 12:38 PM (TNyrE)

215 "Even the N95 masks that actually work only reduce transmission by 60%. The drug store masks that almost everyone actually uses reduce transmission by 10-12%, tops."

Ace, where are you getting these numbers from? They are also wildly optimistic in terms of the real world. Maybe under perfectly controlled conditions with professionals putting on and sealing the masks you might get somewhere near these numbers. But in the real world? Come on now. Slap on an N95 and walk past a homeless bum. You'll smell him instantly. If the smell can get through, so can the virus.

Posted by: Elric Blade at November 09, 2021 12:38 PM (iFTx/)

216 Where is she getting that fantastical, farcical, medical misinformation claim that masks reduce the spread of covid by 80%? Even the N95 masks that actually work only reduce transmission by 60%. The drug store masks that almost everyone actually uses reduce transmission by 10-12%, tops.

she said can help. classic weasel-word dodge.

Posted by: Kulak Anachronda

Then thrice-daily masturbation can help reduce your chance of catching covid by 90%!

As long as you do it in the privacy of your own home, and not out in public.

"Not being around other people at all" has to be more effective than "being around other people, but with a mask on," right?

Posted by: mikeski at November 09, 2021 12:38 PM (P1f+c)

217 Dang it.. never the less the posers can fuck off.

Posted by: MikeN at November 09, 2021 12:38 PM (aSpYI)

218 For various reasons, I am having to deal with medical issues for two close relatives and thus multiple hospital visits, rehab hospital visits, etc. for the last several months. Now, this is simply one area that is in a nominally red state.

There IS a severe staffing problem from what I have observed in both hospitals, nursing homes, and rehab hospitals. It is particularly acute at the lowest level for custodians, various medical assistants, etc. But you also see some nursing shortages as well. The result is sub par care for your loved ones.

If you have loved ones in medical facilities such as hospitals or nursing homes/rehab hospitals, you might want to check on them on a more regular basis. This is especially true if they cannot advocate for themselves due to medical conditions.

Posted by: whig at November 09, 2021 12:38 PM (9hXN1)

219 Very good essay, Ace. A related book-from a spiritual perspective- is "Who will rule the coming Gods?" by Wallace Henley about the dangers of A1 replacing the idea of a transcendent God.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 09, 2021 12:38 PM (YK8CE)

220 Actually used a dust mask for dust yesterday cleaning the garage. Apparently a mouse decided the 30+ year old crap box for the floor jack was ideal accommodations.

Posted by: DaveA at November 09, 2021 12:38 PM (FhXTo)

221 Covid Fascism.

Posted by: runner at November 09, 2021 12:38 PM (V7qBU)

222 *idea* What was that "Proposition" in CA that passed into law, some ten or twenty years ago, about the "carcinogen" warning?

"This item contains materials that are known to the State of CA to cause cancer.."

Okay, stupid law, but let's use it to our advantage. Make up some fake "science" .org, same as the lefties do, and have them file the paperwork with CA that all those cheap plastic/paper masks have to be packaged and printed with those carcinogen warnings.

And watch the lefty haids esplode!

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at November 09, 2021 12:38 PM (QzJWU)

223 they readily pick up pieces of Identity and stray strings of Meaning they find floating in the medium. They incorporate these new pieces of Identity and begin infecting others with it. Suddenly lost and lonely people are all Non-Binary Femme-Trending Anti-Racist Equity-Working Science-Believing Fat-Positivity Graysexuals who believe Black Lives Matter and that Hate Has No Home Here

Excellent, Ace.

It used to be that people accessorized by adding snippets and trinkets to their wardrobe.

Now, too many people are accessorizing themselves, and mistaking those socio-cultural trinkets for substance of the soul

Posted by: Hands at November 09, 2021 12:38 PM (786Ro)

224 those last two paragraphs are pure poetry

Posted by: Corona-exile lost in spaces at November 09, 2021 12:38 PM (G9eCU)

225 209 When I went to the dentist a mask was required so I put my trusty bandana over my face. They made me put on a disposable mask in the waiting room anyway. All stupid theater

Posted by: steevy at November 09, 2021 12:39 PM (CYnTg)

226 but to also grab an identity and find an in group so that you can then shun the out group.
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You were totes into S.E. Hinton weren't you?

Posted by: Ponyboy much? at November 09, 2021 12:39 PM (0Pu0e)

227 157 Healthy immunes systems need to be stressed to stay in shape. If you lived in a bubble, you end up with a weak immune system and then get killed by something everyone else survives.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at November 09, 2021 12:30 PM (UuD2k)
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For any other Mass Effect fans who might be here, we'd be easier to control if they turned us all into Quarians.

Posted by: Pennsyltucky at November 09, 2021 12:39 PM (lNHqD)

228 In Quebec the medical staff threaten to strike over a clot shot mandate and...won.

Who knew the freest part of Canada would be the French part?
Posted by: 18-1

The Left used to be suspicious of Big Pharma.

The Europeans have actually been way better on actually pushing back on claims that the vaccines are perfectly safe, even banning it in some places.

I think because most of Big Pharma is American they have a bias against them, which is in this case is good.

Posted by: Blago at November 09, 2021 12:39 PM (H7KpM)

229 224 those last two paragraphs are pure poetry
Posted by: Corona-exile lost in spaces at November 09, 2021 12:38 PM (G9eCU)

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"I do what I can."
-Jonah Goldberg

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, the hero Gotham deserves at November 09, 2021 12:39 PM (LvTSG)

230 They're already making that argument - there was almost no flu season last winter, which shows that permanent mask mandates are a wonderful thing.

Well it's easy to have no flu season when your classifying flu as COVID.

So again, wood chippers for them all.
Posted by: Thomas Bender

NO WAY I. HELL do you go from 35 MILLION flu cases to 1500. No f'n way. Unless your covid test can't differentiate.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 09, 2021 12:39 PM (mvepF)

231 209 visited the doctor a month or so ago. person guarding the entrance asked if i needed a mask. i said "no, i got one" as i pulled my visibly dirty, never been washed since the start of the pandemic mask out of my pocket. she looked horrified and insisted that i take one of hers.
Posted by: Kulak Anachronda, behind the Newsom curtain at November 09, 2021 12:31 PM (sGtp+)

At my doctor's office, you have to wear one of theirs. I even wore a "good" one, not my pink sparkly one or my UnMask, and they still made me use one of their paper ones.

Posted by: Jordan61 at November 09, 2021 12:37 PM (jm4rC)

And where are "environmentalists" on the use of paper masks, eh? I see masks along the streets and sidewalks everywhere I go. But straws, oh yeah, ban those.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 09, 2021 12:39 PM (ynpvh)

232 Then thrice-daily masturbation can help reduce your chance of catching covid by 90%!

As long as you do it in the privacy of your own home, and not out in public.

"Not being around other people at all" has to be more effective than "being around other people, but with a mask on," right?

Posted by: mikeski

Funny you should mention that but some indication that your regimen might help reduce prostate cancer unless you are a man without a prostate IYKWIM.

Posted by: whig at November 09, 2021 12:39 PM (9hXN1)

233 "191 Eventually someone is gonna get clever and release the rate of death that ordinary seasonal flu causes and claim that means we can never relax our caution.

They're already making that argument - there was almost no flu season last winter, which shows that permanent mask mandates are a wonderful thing.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at November 09, 2021 12:34 PM (I2/tG)"

Two things - one, flu stats were blurred by everyone having to have covid - you cannot have both. Hospitals are still compensated more richly for covid. Until that disappears, flu will remain remarkably light.

Two, flu is spread by surface and close contact. Covid is almost entirely spread via aerosol, which is why prolonged exposure in tight quarters is a problem - and why stay in place orders were almost criminal. So the social distancing impact on flu spread actually had some basis in science based upon the way flu spreads.

Posted by: Black JEM at November 09, 2021 12:40 PM (V6xwG)

234 185 Beep...
Posted by: Gavin Newsom at November 09, 2021 12:34 PM (wAnMi)

Beep Beep

Posted by: Jen Psaki at November 09, 2021 12:40 PM (2xGy+)

235 Hold on let me fish my mask out of my pocket after I have just touched the door handle 400 other people have touched!
Posted by: Buzzion at November 09, 2021 12:24 PM (G2zl5)

The concept of an open system eludes the progs, probably because it's too much like freedom.

Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Michael Byrd Murdered Ashli Babbitt at November 09, 2021 12:40 PM (y7DUB)

236 So is anyone going to ask them why they've allowed so many people to die from the flu every year?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Pfizer added a heart attack stabilizer to the kids injection, p14 at November 09, 2021 12:40 PM (/6kZi)

237 they readily pick up pieces of Identity and stray strings of Meaning they find floating in the medium. They incorporate these new pieces of Identity and begin infecting others with it. Suddenly lost and lonely people are all Non-Binary Femme-Trending Anti-Racist Equity-Working Science-Believing Fat-Positivity Graysexuals who believe Black Lives Matter and that Hate Has No Home Here
==
When you don't stand for anything, you'll fall for anything

Posted by: An old man from the frontier at November 09, 2021 12:40 PM (cO3rm)

238 I said exactly this over a year ago. Masks are permanent. No way they let go of that control mechanism.

Posted by: Ordinary American at November 09, 2021 12:40 PM (H8QX8)

239 This tan, cheeky brunette in a blue bikini isn't wearing a mask and knows they're at best useless:
https://is.gd/rHx5bM

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 09, 2021 12:40 PM (DU+/6)

240 Cult building 101

Isolate those who seem most vulnerable from any support structure and then offer them a path of salvation where they are rewarded for being so special and so mart.

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 09, 2021 12:40 PM (JcqA0)

241 'Stay in the streets and keep pushing': Green New Deal champion AOC tells activists to get back the 'moral authority' lost under Trump and pushes her 300,000 climate corps in front of puzzled COP26 crowds who 'don't know who she is'

Posted by: Gref at November 09, 2021 12:35 PM (AMIL/)

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"Give us Greta Thunberg" -- AGW cultist crowd

Posted by: Curly Shuffle at November 09, 2021 12:40 PM (TNyrE)

242 The genetics of their psychology and personality are thus not well-guarded against mutation, and like a virus, they readily pick up pieces of Identity and stray strings of Meaning they find floating in the medium.

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Ace proposing his own String Theory? I thing it's more grounded in empirical evidence than the other ones ...

Posted by: ShainS -- Let's Poop Brandon! at November 09, 2021 12:41 PM (cUUIs)

243 All that being said, I am annoyed that the Asian cultural norm that if you are sick, you wear a mask so you don't cough all over everyone else is going to get jettisoned since masks are now a religious symbol.

Posted by: alexthechick - boobs and hysteria at November 09, 2021 12:37 PM (mf5HN)

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Ahem, objection: masks are not a religious symbol. They are the equivalent of a mideaval talisman used to ward off evil spirits.

Good morning!

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at November 09, 2021 12:41 PM (ZwxDF)

244 NO WAY I. HELL do you go from 35 MILLION flu cases to 1500. No f'n way. Unless your covid test can't differentiate.

Which, the CDC admitted is true.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 09, 2021 12:41 PM (KZzsI)

245 Where is she getting that fantastical, farcical, medical misinformation claim that masks reduce the spread of covid by 80%? Even the N95 masks that actually work only reduce transmission by 60%. The drug store masks that almost everyone actually uses reduce transmission by 10-12%, tops.

Even granting that masks may reduce spread of virus by X%, how about the Anthony Fauci study of mask-wearing during 1918 flu which showed that more people died of bacterial infection than of the actual flu. Not to mention, how about the negative effects for breathing to anyone with any sort of conditions like asthma.

Even granting there *might* be a benefit to wearing a mask, you also have to assess the risk/cost to wearing a mask and weigh that against the benefits. Especially considering we're talking about viruses/diseases (COVID, flu, common cold) which all have 99%+ recovery rates.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at November 09, 2021 12:41 PM (Do5/p)

246 223 It used to be that people accessorized by adding snippets and trinkets to their wardrobe.

Now, too many people are accessorizing themselves, and mistaking those socio-cultural trinkets for substance of the soul

Posted by: Hands at November 09, 2021 12:38 PM (786Ro)
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I guess it's a logical progression. People started by accessorizing their wardrobes. When tats and piercings and those big ear-hole things became more mainstream, they started accessorizing their bodies. Now, they've moved on to accessorizing their minds, or what passes for minds.

Posted by: Pennsyltucky at November 09, 2021 12:41 PM (lNHqD)

247 Didn't the CDC admit the PCR tests couldn't distinguish between COVID, other flu like illnesses spread by coronaviruses, and the flu?

Posted by: 18-1 at November 09, 2021 12:41 PM (ESjRY)

248 A seldom mentioned negative effect of masks, is they interfere with normal human communication, in more ways than one.

1) speech is rendered muddled and less audible

2) wordless communication is completely killed, a simple smile communicates happiness, contentment, etc. A frown communicates the opposite. Both are negated under the mask.

Posted by: gourmand is hungry at November 09, 2021 12:41 PM (jTmQV)

249 But in the real world? Come on now. Slap on an N95 and walk past a homeless bum. You'll smell him instantly. If the smell can get through, so can the virus.

Posted by: Elric Blade

Just stand behind Joe. If you can smell him, you can get Covid.
My word as a Biteum.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 09, 2021 12:41 PM (mvepF)

250 Dr Mandy Cohen said Sunday "We should all get the vaccine. It's safe and has been through clinical trials"

Another OB/GYN Dr on the show said that women of childbearing age shouldn't be fearful of getting the vaccine. No mention of clinical studies on that one, though.

Of course, no follow up by the host.

Posted by: Golfman at November 09, 2021 12:41 PM (mV8Cy)

251 NO WAY I. HELL do you go from 35 MILLION flu cases to 1500.

*

And 1 (one) child death, down from a few hundred.

In the population that can't wear masks.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Pfizer added a heart attack stabilizer to the kids injection, p14 at November 09, 2021 12:42 PM (/6kZi)

252 You know what will never go away? Business offices being closed to the public. You still can't go into the vet's office, or the PUD office or a number of other public buildings.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at November 09, 2021 12:42 PM (5HBd1)

253 @230

>>NO WAY I. HELL do you go from 35 MILLION flu cases to 1500. No f'n way. Unless your covid test can't differentiate.

No, viruses take control of corners and areas like the Mafia and crowd out the competition.

DON CAPPO COVID: Listen up here H1N1, this is my nasal cavity, I see anyone of youse jamokes around here again and I'll ventilate yas, CAPICHE!!!!!

Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 09, 2021 12:42 PM (P75sc)

254 Empress

I compared the mask wearing to the red dress of a Handmaiden

Does that work?

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 09, 2021 12:42 PM (JcqA0)

255 The analogy is spot-on Ace. I would add another pillar missing from peoples' lives today is meaningful physical work. Too many people do more or less nothing and have nothing but time to gaze at their navels and ponder the inequities of lint.

Posted by: Mr. Bingley at November 09, 2021 12:42 PM (CcljO)

256 "I just came up with a great new idea -- see my latest insight into what I call Political String Theory over at the Rear Dispatch." -- Jonah Goldbrick

Posted by: ShainS -- Let's Poop Brandon! at November 09, 2021 12:42 PM (cUUIs)

257 Two things - one, flu stats were blurred by everyone having to have covid - you cannot have both.
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FYI - they actually STOPPED testing for flu. The converted most all of that type of testing to COVID. So of course the rates of flu were approaching zero. They stopped testing for it. They actually took it off the panel of tests available to order by a Major Medical Corporation. It was not available to ordered from EPIC.

Posted by: Just ignore the zero flu stuff, they didn't test for it at November 09, 2021 12:43 PM (Ic8KY)

258 215 "Even the N95 masks that actually work only reduce transmission by 60%. The drug store masks that almost everyone actually uses reduce transmission by 10-12%, tops."

Ace, where are you getting these numbers from? They are also wildly optimistic in terms of the real world. Maybe under perfectly controlled conditions with professionals putting on and sealing the masks you might get somewhere near these numbers. But in the real world? Come on now. Slap on an N95 and walk past a homeless bum. You'll smell him instantly. If the smell can get through, so can the virus.

Posted by: Elric Blade at November 09, 2021 12:38 PM (iFTx/)

I think aromatic molecules are a wee bit smaller than a virus. Also, give that the virus is transmitted by fluid transfer/droplets, you block the droplet. That being said, yeah, masks don't do much; If you glasses get fogged, a good portion of the air going in/out is bypassing the mask material.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 09, 2021 12:43 PM (ynpvh)

259 Did you see the news report where Covid crazy CA now has twice the Covid rate as Florida?

I was in CA recently for a vacation, state is still acting like the early weeks of the pandemic with the mask nonsense.

Sweden was the smartest, they just got it over with quick and let it happen. I feel like a few decades ago the US would have done the same and it would have been a pretty minor story.

Posted by: Blago at November 09, 2021 12:43 PM (H7KpM)

260 CDC Head Rachel Walensky: Hey, I've Got a Great Idea. Now That the Covid Pandemic Is Diminishing, Why Don't We Wear Masks Forever to Reduce Infection By the Flu and Even the Common Cold?

Called this a year ago. As predictable as MSNBC show hosts and their guests calling whites evil dumb racists six times an hour. Now I predict that this winter, 75 percent of what are now labeled COVID "cases" will be labeled flu cases. Joe and
Fauci and CNNMSNBC will scream at us, "Everyone must wear masks to protect the Flu-Vulnerable Chirrun!"

Posted by: Gref at November 09, 2021 12:43 PM (AMIL/)

261 @LawSelfDefense 6m

Kraus: You haven't seen the actual weapon, have you?

Kelley: No, I have not.

State is now IMPEACHING it's OWN Medical Examiner testimony. Jeepers.

Posted by: Tami at November 09, 2021 12:43 PM (cF8AT)

262 When all this started I was not too vexed by mask wearing. I work out doors so I often had to have a mask on anyway. Most times it was a bandana. Sometimes it was a no BS I am spraying stuff that can kill me mask.

Wearing the later into a Walgreens was kind of fun. To my surprise despite all the looks I got no one asked where I got the mask.

Posted by: Big V Caffeinated at November 09, 2021 12:43 PM (Adlwz)

263 FYI - they actually STOPPED testing for flu.

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And they stopped testing and tracking vaxxinated people when they got COVID. CDC publicly stated that they were going to do that back in May.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Pfizer added a heart attack stabilizer to the kids injection, p14 at November 09, 2021 12:44 PM (/6kZi)

264 If there are three types of lies: Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics, this scrunt has just hit the trifecta.

Posted by: Arik at November 09, 2021 12:44 PM (Mr60C)

265 So is anyone going to ask them why they've allowed so many people to die from the flu every year?

I asked a LIV the other day (using the government numbers just to make things easier), why did we do *nothing* about 80K people dying in a year from the "seasonal flu" and yet we have to completely stop the economy and take away basic human rights for a disease killing 400K a year? Did the lives of those 80k people not matter?

And...confused look...then...eventually a response...but that's different!

Posted by: 18-1 at November 09, 2021 12:44 PM (ESjRY)

266 Should still be on their website matter of fact.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Pfizer added a heart attack stabilizer to the kids injection, p14 at November 09, 2021 12:44 PM (/6kZi)

267 Whig,
my 1895 has a forward locking lug and one in the middle of the bolt. That is two. And there IS a correlation and a formula to convert CUP to PSI. Logically it must be so if both systems are valid. I will post the formula and document it's source when I get a chance.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at November 09, 2021 12:44 PM (o2MD2)

268 What Ace describes loosely follows the 'theory' of memetic transmission of ideas, thought patterns, worldview, which supposedly follows from Campbell's Rule that (roughly) states that the Darwinist drive for self-replication is universal at all levels of existence, to include ideas and belief systems. Dawkins touched on this in his 'The Selfish Gene' book and others have ran with it, with greater and lesser degrees of success since that field of study notoriously lacks the rigor to back up some of the bolder assertions. Dawkins has distanced himself from the whole 'meme' thing because of the pop culture craziness creeping in, but viral comparisons still work in argument.

Posted by: troyriser at November 09, 2021 12:44 PM (pYLCQ)

269 147 I wish I was old enough to just retire go home to my garden and not deal with these fools or listen to any of this stupid crap again.
Posted by: Just Lily at November 09, 2021 12:29 PM (2p+2o)

sorry, Lily, it doesn't go away when you retire.

Posted by: Flyover at November 09, 2021 12:45 PM (Rbu5d)

270 This tan, cheeky brunette in a blue bikini isn't wearing a mask and knows they're at best useless:
https://is.gd/rHx5bM
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 09, 2021 12:40 PM (DU+/6)

I've missed these.
And I miss that.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Dune 2021 review at November 09, 2021 12:45 PM (XvPQV)

271 Then thrice-daily masturbation can help reduce your chance of catching covid by 90%!

I SHALL BE ONLY ONE!

Posted by: alexthechick - boobs and hysteria at November 09, 2021 12:45 PM (mf5HN)

272 38 That was a racist question for that poor black woman to have to answer.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Pfizer added a heart attack stabilizer to the kids injection, p14 at November 09, 2021 12:15 PM (/6kZi)

I know. She's probably still struggling with how she can get viable photographic ID to vote. Shame on that reporter.

Posted by: My name is Jose Jimanez at November 09, 2021 12:45 PM (Fs5vw)

273 There's a reason why memetic transmission of ideas fascinates me so. There's a fundamental, apparently hard wired into the brain, need to not only pattern match but to also grab an identity and find an in group so that you can then shun the out group. Evolutional biology is a helluva thing, to the extent we even have the most rudimentary idea about brain structure.

All that being said, I am annoyed that the Asian cultural norm that if you are sick, you wear a mask so you don't cough all over everyone else is going to get jettisoned since masks are now a religious symbol.
Posted by: alexthechick - boobs and hysteria at November 09, 2021 12:37 PM (mf5HN)

Human beings are tribal creatures. We don't do well alone, or in very small groups for long periods of time, but we also don't do well in huge groups either. Basically anything between 30 and 500 seems to be the sweet spot. Above or below that, and people start going insane.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at November 09, 2021 12:45 PM (wmDcS)

274 255 The analogy is spot-on Ace. I would add another pillar missing from peoples' lives today is meaningful physical work. Too many people do more or less nothing and have nothing but time to gaze at their navels and ponder the inequities of lint.

Posted by: Mr. Bingley at November 09, 2021 12:42 PM (CcljO)

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And why all the Lefty Looney "causes" attract so many ... to give their pathetic meaningless lives meaning (which is restating what Ace identifies here).

Posted by: ShainS -- Let's Poop Brandon! at November 09, 2021 12:46 PM (cUUIs)

275 Masks reduce the exposure to RBF by 72%.

It's science.

Posted by: Joe Mama at November 09, 2021 12:46 PM (WmGrA)

276 1) speech is rendered muddled and less audible

Was watching this in the grocery store at the deli the other day.

The butcher could not hear the woman trying to order something until she took her mask off...then a bunch of Karens glared at her.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 09, 2021 12:46 PM (ESjRY)

277 One good thing about masks is that they attenuate the Banshee Karen's screams.

Posted by: Capital Eff believes #RonnaMustGo #McCarthyMustGo #McConnellMustGo at November 09, 2021 12:46 PM (2xGy+)

278 I think aromatic molecules are a wee bit smaller than a virus.

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Aromatics are, but smoke particles are larger. And firemen aren't going into a burning house with one of those blue masks.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Pfizer added a heart attack stabilizer to the kids injection, p14 at November 09, 2021 12:46 PM (/6kZi)

279 210 @191

>>They're already making that argument - there was almost no flu season last winter, which shows that permanent mask mandates are a wonderful thing.

Well it's easy to have no flu season when your classifying flu as COVID.

So again, wood chippers for them all.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 09, 2021 12:37 PM (P75sc)

To be fair the year before that they were classifying Covid as the flu. I think you can find some December 2019 or January 2020 articles talking about how it is an especially bad flu year and that apparently they missed the mark on the vaccines again

Posted by: Buzzion at November 09, 2021 12:46 PM (G2zl5)

280 It's broken!

Posted by: Gref at November 09, 2021 12:46 PM (AMIL/)

281 Hubby works at the evil SC is one of 2 remaining employees still required to wear a mask. He, like me, is a pure blood.

Posted by: Carmenzoid at November 09, 2021 12:46 PM (9sa5h)

282 Neal Stephenson in Snow Crash built his story around the idea of a neural virus.

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 09, 2021 12:46 PM (JcqA0)

283 ABC "News" article by a doctor urging the same Forever Masking line.

[The ABC News tweet] linked to a story from contributor Jay Bhatt, a doctor and public-health professor, arguing that people should resist returning to normal after receiving their vaccine booster. But of the five reasons he lists for continued masking and social distancing, two of them are "it's flu season" and "other viruses are out there."

Now try making that same argument, but regarding STDs, doc. Forever condom-wearing? Forever dental dams? Mandates for them, even. Yeah right.

Posted by: Hands at November 09, 2021 12:47 PM (786Ro)

284 I completely understand their true reasons for wanting everyone to always wear masks. The population looks 200x better with masks, the second so many remove them it's an unwelcoming shock to the eyes. Liberals in general are a homely group, so by forcing people to wear masks they raise their prospects if fooling someone into being attracted to them, while stunting those if actually attractive people.

Posted by: Rbastid at November 09, 2021 12:47 PM (Qpodf)

285
CDC Head Rachel Walensky: Hey, I've Got a Great Idea. Now That the Covid Pandemic Is Diminishing, Why Don't We Wear Masks Forever to Reduce Infection By the Flu and Even the Common Cold?

A friend of mine likes to say "they've been wearing masks in China for years"

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 09, 2021 12:47 PM (63Dwl)

286 Masks are a sign of obedience and timidity. They have been used since the earliest days in societies all over the world for that purpose. Most obviously, look at Muslim women under Sharia. They must hide their faces under masks. Why do you think that is? It's so they know their place as second class citizens. More recently, we're seeing masks imposed as a new caste system. Rich liberals and wine and dine and party without masks. But the servers and wait staff? They must mask. Know your place, peasant!!!!

Posted by: Elric Blade at November 09, 2021 12:47 PM (iFTx/)

287 I asked a LIV the other day (using the government numbers just to make things easier), why did we do *nothing* about 80K people dying in a year from the "seasonal flu" and yet we have to completely stop the economy and take away basic human rights for a disease killing 400K a year? Did the lives of those 80k people not matter?

And...confused look...then...eventually a response...but that's different!
Posted by: 18-1
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And remember, those 80k numbers were with a widely available flu vaccine to the general public.

Ive said forever that Covid was like humanity getting 2-3 flus in on year. I'm not saying that means nothing, but we really over reacted to all of it.

I also still believe Covid deaths are vastly overstated. If someone is dead (like a car wreck) and they have Covid in their body, I genuinely think they are counting deaths like that. I have a real world anecdote where they did something similar.

I bet the actual death count is like half or less.

Posted by: Blago at November 09, 2021 12:47 PM (H7KpM)

288 Uhmm, at no point in time is it alleged that Kyle attacked Gaige or anyone, so Gaige "defending" himself with deadly force from someone who isn't actively attacking or threatening him is illegal.

These people need to be introduced to business end of an industrial wood chipper.
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The prosecution's theory of the case (apparently) is that Gaige Grossface had the right to attack Kyle after Kyle shot Rosenbaum, because Grossface thought that Kyle was an "active shooter" and was trying to disarm Kyle for the safety of the others present on the street that night. (They're making the same argument about Huber, the guy trying to clock Kyle with the skateboard as Kyle lay on the ground. "Huber is a hero. He was trying to stop an active shooter!")

Under Wisconsin law, Kyle loses the right to claim self-defense if there is evidence that he "provoked" the attacks on him. The prosecution is trying to show that Kyle's act of shooting Rosenbaum "provoked" the subsequent attacks on Kyle by Huber and Grossface.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--F*ck Joe Biden at November 09, 2021 12:47 PM (k4dH2)

289 259 Did you see the news report where Covid crazy CA now has twice the Covid rate as Florida?

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Did you also see how nobody in the MSM is talking about Florida cases anymore? Weird huh?

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at November 09, 2021 12:48 PM (OalnH)

290
The butcher could not hear the woman trying to order something until she took her mask off...then a bunch of Karens glared at her.
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Good luck if you are hearing impaired and are a lip reader.

Posted by: Just ignore the zero flu stuff, they didn't test for it at November 09, 2021 12:48 PM (MP2/L)

291 and that apparently they missed the mark on the vaccines again

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I'm starting to become a bit interested in what might be a flu vaccine scam as well, especially since it looks more and more like we have long had the ability to give people a ten cent generic pill and some vitamin D.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Pfizer added a heart attack stabilizer to the kids injection, p14 at November 09, 2021 12:48 PM (/6kZi)

292 Imagine for a minute if by some miracle the American public as a whole came to the realization and clear understanding that this entire coronavirus pandemic was brought to us by Angry Democrats conspiring to oust Donald Trump. They murdered Millions around the globe because of orange man bad. Let that s*** sink in and let it be a reminder of the absolute criminally insane people that have very high influence

Posted by: GetchaPull at November 09, 2021 12:49 PM (ocZVB)

293 Howdy, Ace, howdy, Horde,

Politicians and health agency leaders are pushing for kids 5 to 11 years old to get injected with Covid 19 mRna.

Even though they know that teens are getting severe heart damage from it. Some teen athletes are dying soon after the shot.

And that heart damage will cause a high number of deaths inside of 10 years.

How is that not premeditated murder?

Posted by: callsign claymore at November 09, 2021 12:49 PM (cr6Lm)

294 273 Human beings are tribal creatures. We don't do well alone, or in very small groups for long periods of time, but we also don't do well in huge groups either. Basically anything between 30 and 500 seems to be the sweet spot. Above or below that, and people start going insane.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at November 09, 2021 12:45 PM (wmDcS)

The mouse utopia experiments.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 09, 2021 12:49 PM (ynpvh)

295 Dean Stockwell, star of 'Quantum Leap' and 'Dune,' dead at 85

https://tinyurl.com/2x7br7ka

Posted by: SMH - The War has been won, only the battles remain, as usual at November 09, 2021 12:49 PM (y7usJ)

296 This tan, cheeky brunette in a blue bikini isn't wearing a mask and knows they're at best useless:
https://is.gd/rHx5bM

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 09, 2021 12:40 PM (DU+/6)

Impressive gluteus maxii.

Posted by: BignJames at November 09, 2021 12:49 PM (AwYPR)

297 I'm hoping McConnell got the Moderna booster jab like Newsome.

Posted by: Capital Eff believes #RonnaMustGo #McCarthyMustGo #McConnellMustGo at November 09, 2021 12:49 PM (2xGy+)

298 If you have loved ones in medical facilities such as hospitals or nursing homes/rehab hospitals, you might want to check on them on a more regular basis.
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We have no mandates here, but the hospital allows only one visitor in the room and one visitor in the waiting room per patient. Everyone else has to stay outside. My aunt had a knee replacement a few weeks ago and I had planned to go because I thought I might be able to do something helpful. But then I realized that if I went, her closer relatives wouldn't be able to visit her. Sure enough, her son told me he had to go outside and wait in his car whenever someone came to visit.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at November 09, 2021 12:49 PM (sWM8x)

299 "I think aromatic molecules are a wee bit smaller than a virus. Also, give that the virus is transmitted by fluid transfer/droplets, you block the droplet. That being said, yeah, masks don't do much; If you glasses get fogged, a good portion of the air going in/out is bypassing the mask material.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 09, 2021 12:43 PM (ynpvh)"

Actually this is inaccurate. Covid is passed primarily via aerosol transmission. Not droplets. And some studies/experiments have suggested that masks actually improve the atomized discharges making the potential covid spread greater. This tracks well with actual spread data showing heavily masked locales actually had higher rates of covid spread than lightly masked populations.

Posted by: Black JEM at November 09, 2021 12:49 PM (V6xwG)

300 Yeah

Kyle as an active shooter.

He only shot three people attacking him. Some active shooter.

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 09, 2021 12:49 PM (JcqA0)

301 "Human beings are tribal creatures. "

A good book on that topic:
"Tribe" by Sebastian Unger
Very little woke nonsense in it, it was written before the Great Unpleasantness.

Posted by: gourmand is hungry at November 09, 2021 12:49 PM (jTmQV)

302 Bill Maher talked about this on his show...

A poll asked people, what % of Covid cases do you think lead to hospitalization?

41% of Democrats, thought the answer was 50%
Reality: Less than 1%

This is the world these people live in. They think that Covid = hospitalization and probably death.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at November 09, 2021 12:49 PM (OalnH)

303 Doctor Yui dead? Oh no

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 09, 2021 12:50 PM (JcqA0)

304 I bet the actual death count is like half or less.

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6%, just like the CDC accidentally admitted last year.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Pfizer added a heart attack stabilizer to the kids injection, p14 at November 09, 2021 12:50 PM (/6kZi)

305 277 One good thing about masks is that they attenuate the Banshee Karen's screams.

Posted by: Capital Eff believes #RonnaMustGo #McCarthyMustGo #McConnellMustGo at November 09, 2021 12:46 PM (2xGy+)

earplugs for me, ball-gag for Karen. problem fixed.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 09, 2021 12:50 PM (ynpvh)

306 I was in CA recently for a vacation, state is still acting like the early weeks of the pandemic with the mask nonsense.

Sweden was the smartest, they just got it over with quick and let it happen. I feel like a few decades ago the US would have done the same and it would have been a pretty minor story.
Posted by: Blago at November 09, 2021 12:43 PM (H7KpM)

CA is totally batshit insane. I actually think they like wearing masks. And kids after almost 2 years know nothing else. And I still keep walking into stores without the mask (required) and nobody has said shit yet. I can't tell you how many times a day I see people alone in their cars masked up - or even out on trails in the open space district.

Oddly when I was recently in Orange Co. almost nobody was wearing them - I'd assume San Diego is similar. But the Bay Area loves them cheap paper masks and disposable gloves.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at November 09, 2021 12:50 PM (wAnMi)

307 She might be getting the 80% figure from a JAMA commentary in February on community spread, for instance, wearing masks on a Navy ship at sea for long periods, or in households where there are known cases of COVID. But that's not the same thing as effectiveness in the general population.

Posted by: Caliban at November 09, 2021 12:50 PM (HgGBT)

308 A poll asked people, what % of Covid cases do you think lead to hospitalization?

41% of Democrats, thought the answer was 50%
Reality: Less than 1%

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How many gay people are in the population?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Pfizer added a heart attack stabilizer to the kids injection, p14 at November 09, 2021 12:50 PM (/6kZi)

309 302 This is the world these people live in. They think that Covid = hospitalization and probably death.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at November 09, 2021 12:49 PM (OalnH)

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"WE'RE IN A CRISIS!!!!"
-Karen, not walking over bodies to yell at people who are healthy and not wearing masks

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, the hero Gotham deserves at November 09, 2021 12:50 PM (LvTSG)

310 I don't necessarily wish death on Gavin Newsom but it would have been good for society if he had died from the booster shot.

Posted by: Northernlurker at November 09, 2021 12:51 PM (cSyAR)

311 >>>56 The thing that strikes me when I hear Walensky is....she's dumb

1000%. I sort of think she can't be dumb because she must have some advanced degree, so how dumb could she be?, but.... she really seems dumb.

Posted by: ace at November 09, 2021 12:51 PM (0G13K)

312 Good luck if you are hearing impaired and are a lip reader.
Posted by: Just ignore the zero flu stuff, they didn't test for it

I can verify that it is problematic.

Posted by: Joe Mama at November 09, 2021 12:51 PM (WmGrA)

313 Yeah

Kyle as an active shooter.

He only shot three people attacking him. Some active shooter.
Posted by: Anna Puma at November 09, 2021 12:49 PM (JcqA0)

Well he's not LAZY, we need more kids like him. More adults, too.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Dune 2021 review at November 09, 2021 12:51 PM (XvPQV)

314 A friend of mine likes to say "they've been wearing masks in China for years"
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Of course their pollution is so bad that you can't see across the street some days. But whatever.

Posted by: Just ignore the zero flu stuff, they didn't test for it at November 09, 2021 12:51 PM (MP2/L)

315 This is the world these people live in. They think that Covid = hospitalization and probably death.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at November 09, 2021 12:49 PM (OalnH)

They also think that 30-50% of the population is gay. Because TV sitcoms and commercials are an accurate reflection of demographics.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at November 09, 2021 12:51 PM (wAnMi)

316 They're already making that argument - there was almost no flu season last winter, which shows that permanent mask mandates are a wonderful thing.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at November 09, 2021 12:34 PM (I2/tG)

strange how they didn't stop the coof, though...

Posted by: Flyover at November 09, 2021 12:51 PM (Rbu5d)

317 Human beings are tribal creatures. We don't do well alone, or in very small groups for long periods of time, but we also don't do well in huge groups either. Basically anything between 30 and 500 seems to be the sweet spot. Above or below that, and people start going insane.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile

I do best in 2 to 5, as long as they aren't stupid.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 09, 2021 12:52 PM (mvepF)

318 314 A friend of mine likes to say "they've been wearing masks in China for years"
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Of course their pollution is so bad that you can't see across the street some days. But whatever.
Posted by: Just ignore the zero flu stuff, they didn't test for it at November 09, 2021 12:51 PM (MP2/L

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Not possible.

Only capitalism pollutes. Socialism is clean.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, the hero Gotham deserves at November 09, 2021 12:52 PM (LvTSG)

319 Christine detective dead?

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at November 09, 2021 12:52 PM (CwAXE)

320 What? 70 years of research found no significant benefit in reducing transmission, outside properly fitted/worn N95s - IN A CLINICAL CONTEXT - and even that wasn't very impressive.

For flu? Been studied for years - that's obviously what the 7 decades of research was about - and thus there's no public health reason to wear or recommend masks.

The CDC itself published a meta-study in May 2020 - how perfect was this, right as their "guidance" was doing a 180 - that summarized the lack of value in masks.

NONE of the "interventions" since March 2020 - masks, distancing, lockdowns/quarantines, contact tracing (tho that was comically and quickly abandoned in most places) - have had any impact, other than social and economic. This is what all history on the subject prior to C19 showed us, what all actual RCTs have shown us in the past, and what current gross data indicates, and which actual studies will surely confirm in detail.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 09, 2021 12:52 PM (OTzUX)

321 How many gay people are in the population?

Exactly.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 09, 2021 12:52 PM (KZzsI)

322 A friend of mine likes to say "they've been wearing masks in China for years"

*

Wait, isn't that where...

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Pfizer added a heart attack stabilizer to the kids injection, p14 at November 09, 2021 12:52 PM (/6kZi)

323 To be fair the year before that they were classifying Covid as the flu. I think you can find some December 2019 or January 2020 articles talking about how it is an especially bad flu year and that apparently they missed the mark on the vaccines again

Posted by: Buzzion at November 09, 2021 12:46 PM

I got the covid in early December 2019. My doctor said it was bronchitis and a sinus infection and gave me antibiotics twice neither of which worked. Took me over a month to get rid of it and I still have some breathing issues. He couldn't order a flu test because I didn't have all of the necessary symptoms and my insurance wouldn't authorize the test.

Posted by: Mister Scot (Formerly GWS) at November 09, 2021 12:52 PM (bVYXr)

324 278 I think aromatic molecules are a wee bit smaller than a virus.
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Aromatics are, but smoke particles are larger. And firemen aren't going into a burning house with one of those blue masks.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Pfizer added a heart attack stabilizer to the kids injection, p14 at November 09, 2021 12:46 PM (/6kZi)

Stinky Pete the Hobo's aromatics are (mostly) not smoke-related. Also, in a house fire, oxygen is being consumed by the fire, carbon monoxide and other poisonous gases are being produced. So yeah, a fireman needs better masks.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 09, 2021 12:52 PM (ynpvh)

325 And where specifically is ace getting his numbers on this?

Posted by: rhomboid at November 09, 2021 12:52 PM (OTzUX)

326 He only shot three people attacking him. Some active shooter.

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 09, 2021 12:49 PM (JcqA0)

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I want to know how Gaige whatshisface is a credible witness when he publicly said that he wished he'd killed Kyle.

I know, I know...

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at November 09, 2021 12:52 PM (ZwxDF)

327 I think that masking will go on at least through the mid-terms, 'cause you know - having a mask means covid's a thing, and if it is a thing, we can have all kinds of variant voting methods.

Posted by: Cthillary, dead but dreaming at November 09, 2021 12:53 PM (FWn1L)

328 Politicians and health agency leaders are pushing for kids 5 to 11 years old to get injected with Covid 19 mRna.

Posted by: callsign claymore at November 09, 2021 12:49 PM (cr6Lm)

I saw yesterday that there are only a handful of countries besides us that are vaccinating children. UAE, Bahrain, Cuba, China, and a couple others I can't remember. Nice company we're in.

Posted by: Jordan61 at November 09, 2021 12:53 PM (jm4rC)

329 RIP Dean Stockwell.
He was good.

Hell of a better Doctor Yueh than what we got this year. (Seriously, check out his performance in the 1984 Dune. He does a lot with very little screen time.)

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Dune 2021 review at November 09, 2021 12:53 PM (XvPQV)

330 @disclosetv 46s

JUST IN - Pfizer CEO: People who "spread misinformation" on the #COVID19 vaccines are criminals (CNBC)

What the legal charge for that, Pfizer CEO?
Oh and piss off...

Posted by: Tami at November 09, 2021 12:53 PM (cF8AT)

331 329 RIP Dean Stockwell.
He was good.

Hell of a better Doctor Yueh than what we got this year. (Seriously, check out his performance in the 1984 Dune. He does a lot with very little screen time.)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Dune 2021 review at November 09, 2021 12:53 PM (XvPQV)

=========

Did a mean Roy Orbison as well.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, the hero Gotham deserves at November 09, 2021 12:53 PM (LvTSG)

332 193...Or the guy driving alone, blue paper over his face?

Nothing. They are so far gone, blind obedience to authority defines their whole existence.
Posted by: Lrrr at November 09, 2021 12:35 PM (jIL4c)

Someone needs to manufacture a "Green" green-colored mask, and market it as "better than a blue mask!"

Posted by: Flyover at November 09, 2021 12:53 PM (Rbu5d)

333 >>>The analogy is spot-on Ace. I would add another pillar missing from peoples' lives today is meaningful physical work. Too many people do more or less nothing and have nothing but time to gaze at their navels and ponder the inequities of lint.

Posted by: Mr. Bingley

That's a really good point. Interacting with the real physical environment and doing real physical work connects people in the most tangible way possible to the real.

Posted by: ace at November 09, 2021 12:53 PM (0G13K)

334 A seldom mentioned negative effect of masks, is they interfere with normal human communication, in more ways than one.

1) speech is rendered muddled and less audible

2) wordless communication is completely killed, a simple smile communicates happiness, contentment, etc. A frown communicates the opposite. Both are negated under the mask.
Posted by: gourmand is hungry at November 09, 2021

***
The combination of face diaper plus plastic shields at checkouts and other counters makes it very hard to understand what someone is saying. Especially if they tend to speak Southern mushmouth even without any muzzle. I've gotten so I say, "You've got something in front of your face, I can't hear you!"

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 09, 2021 12:54 PM (txdEq)

335 I think I have a great example for a memetic transmission of ideas.

It's 1990. You have a Nintendo. Your game isn't working. How do you fix it? And do you remember where you learned that?

Posted by: Buzzion at November 09, 2021 12:54 PM (G2zl5)

336 "Remember to clamp down on the tooth Duke."

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 09, 2021 12:54 PM (JcqA0)

337 330 @disclosetv 46s

JUST IN - Pfizer CEO: People who "spread misinformation" on the #COVID19 vaccines are criminals (CNBC)

What the legal charge for that, Pfizer CEO?
Oh and piss off...
Posted by: Tami at November 09, 2021 12:53 PM (cF8AT)

==========

What about people that say that the vaccine prevents covid?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, the hero Gotham deserves at November 09, 2021 12:54 PM (LvTSG)

338 afternoon Horde. looks like i'm going to have to buy that Mandalorian helmet i was thinking about last year if they want to insist on masking for ever...

Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at November 09, 2021 12:54 PM (8D42x)

339 285
CDC Head Rachel Walensky: Hey, I've Got a Great Idea. Now That the Covid Pandemic Is Diminishing, Why Don't We Wear Masks Forever to Reduce Infection By the Flu and Even the Common Cold?

A friend of mine likes to say "they've been wearing masks in China for years"

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 09, 2021 12:47 PM (63Dwl)

Now, there's a goverment we should emulate!

Posted by: Anita Dunn at November 09, 2021 12:54 PM (ynpvh)

340 They're already making that argument - there was almost no flu season last winter, which shows that permanent mask mandates are a wonderful thing.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at November 09, 2021 12:34 PM (I2/tG)

strange how they didn't stop the coof, though...
Posted by: Flyover at November 09, 2021 12:51 PM (Rbu5d)

Well, that $13,500 bounty on Covid cases had nothing to do with it.

Posted by: Napoleon XIV at November 09, 2021 12:54 PM (AiZBA)

341 Now, too many people are accessorizing themselves, and mistaking those socio-cultural trinkets for substance of the soul

There's a saying that "_____ isn't a personality" that applies to those sorts of people.

Posted by: Ian S. at November 09, 2021 12:54 PM (ZGrMX)

342 Some people should wear a mask forever. Especially lefties 95 percent of them are fugly. On another note I was repairing some electrical wires today and it occurred to me that wiring is extremely RACIST. Black wire to black wire and white to white. Something must be done about this!!

Posted by: mike at November 09, 2021 12:55 PM (pTuOa)

343 He only shot three people attacking him. Some active shooter.
Posted by: Anna Puma at November 09, 2021 12:49 PM (JcqA0)

Every single media outlet this morning is calling Lefty Grosskreutz the "lone survivor" (every other sentence). Which is why we can't leave anybody in the media left to write their memoirs.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at November 09, 2021 12:55 PM (wAnMi)

344 It's all about control

Posted by: It's me donna at November 09, 2021 12:55 PM (0PUU9)

345 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive
Ephesians 4:14

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at November 09, 2021 12:55 PM (IDhUW)

346 How many gay people are in the population?
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Pfizer added a heart attack stabilizer to the kids injection, p14 at November 09, 2021 12:50 PM (/6kZi)

___

On TV: 62%
In reality: 5%

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at November 09, 2021 12:55 PM (OalnH)

347 "I think aromatic molecules are a wee bit smaller than a virus. Also, give that the virus is transmitted by fluid transfer/droplets, you block the droplet. That being said, yeah, masks don't do much; If you glasses get fogged, a good portion of the air going in/out is bypassing the mask material.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 09, 2021 12:43 PM (ynpvh)"

______________________

I'm not sure this is correct. CV19 is also spread (and maybe even mainly spread) by aerosols. They are not any larger than aromatics. But the second part of your comment I agree with and underscores my point: it almost doesn't matter whether CV19 can get through the mask material, because just slapping on a mask -- like 99% of people do -- will leave huge gaps for air to travel through unimpeded.

Posted by: Elric Blade at November 09, 2021 12:55 PM (iFTx/)

348 Grosskreutz has NO credibility after yesterday's testimony where he admitted he did have a gun pointed at Kyle.

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 09, 2021 12:55 PM (JcqA0)

349 1) speech is rendered muddled and less audible

**

We're friends with a deaf couple and some people who are hard of hearing and read lips.

Hell.

No other word for it.

Intentional hell.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Pfizer added a heart attack stabilizer to the kids injection, p14 at November 09, 2021 12:55 PM (/6kZi)

350 Even though they know that teens are getting severe heart damage from it. Some teen athletes are dying soon after the shot.
==
Well, when you look at their application, they are estimating about 175- 200 cases of heart inflammation per 1 million doses. Not all 200 will die, probably most won't. A small price to pay for 65 billion in revenue next year.

Posted by: Just ignore the zero flu stuff, they didn't test for it at November 09, 2021 12:55 PM (x+caK)

351 who was the guy who said, "Thus I respond to Bishop Berkeley" as he kicked a stone (thus, the claimed, refuting the claim that the world exists solely in our heads)

(A refutation that doesn't work because an imaginary world in your head would also contain imaginary rocks which produce an imaginary feeling of resistance when you kick them, but still a fun quote)

Posted by: ace at November 09, 2021 12:55 PM (0G13K)

352 2) wordless communication is completely killed, a simple smile communicates happiness, contentment, etc. A frown communicates the opposite. Both are negated under the mask.
Posted by: gourmand is hungry at November 09, 2021
++++
And nobody knows the consequences of keeping children from learning these non-verbal communication cues and methods. Fauci may insist that widespread masking has no effect on young children, but he doesn't know. Nobody knows.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 09, 2021 12:55 PM (DU+/6)

353 The government claimed that 350k people died from COVID in the US in 2020.

But...we also know half the hospitalizations for COVID were people in the hospital for OTHER things that had a positive COVID test. So...let's presume that is true of deaths as well...which gets us to 175k deaths from COVID.

But...we also know they government claims the flu wasn't around last year...preciously because the PCR test can't tell between it and COVID. How many flu deaths are their normally in a year? 30-80K. If we assume that is the same for last year we get...

Flu Deaths 30-80k
COVID deaths 95k-145k

Early on I estimated, based on the numbers we were seeing, that COVID is about twice as lethal as the seasonal flu. The numbers we get are are between 1.2 to 5X.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 09, 2021 12:56 PM (ESjRY)

354 Then thrice-daily masturbation can help reduce your chance of catching covid by 90%!

I SHALL BE ONLY ONE!
Posted by: alexthechick - boobs and hysteria at November 09, 2021 12:45 PM

Aaaaand, there goes the power grid.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 09, 2021 12:56 PM (m+jkK)

355 328 Hey there, Jordan61.

Yeah, bunch of liberty loving paradises right there.

Posted by: callsign claymore at November 09, 2021 12:56 PM (cr6Lm)

356 Every single media outlet this morning is calling Lefty Grosskreutz the "lone survivor" (every other sentence).

**

hahahaha

One of the things I was most impressed with was him walking calmly out of the combat zone without shooting any of the other people that were surrounding him *while gunshots were going off around the area*

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Pfizer added a heart attack stabilizer to the kids injection, p14 at November 09, 2021 12:56 PM (/6kZi)

357 Said it before, I'll say it again. If these commies thought they could get away by putting us all in MOPP suits, they damn sure would try. Ain't gonna.

Posted by: Eromero at November 09, 2021 12:57 PM (0OP+5)

358 300 Yeah

Kyle as an active shooter.

He only shot three people attacking him. Some active shooter.
_____________

It's definitely a stretch, but it's all they've got. They probably think the jury wants to convict Kyle, and if they give them some justification for doing so, no matter how silly or weak, that's all they'll need.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--F*ck Joe Biden at November 09, 2021 12:57 PM (k4dH2)

359 Grosskreutz has NO credibility after yesterday's testimony where he admitted he did have a gun pointed at Kyle.
==
But but but, I'm the hero, I was stopping and active shooter with muh gun!!!

Posted by: Grosskreutz at November 09, 2021 12:57 PM (MP2/L)

360 *waves to Jordan*

Posted by: SMH - The War has been won, only the battles remain, as usual at November 09, 2021 12:57 PM (ZnsQq)

361 288 Under Wisconsin law, Kyle loses the right to claim self-defense if there is evidence that he "provoked" the attacks on him. The prosecution is trying to show that Kyle's act of shooting Rosenbaum "provoked" the subsequent attacks on Kyle by Huber and Grossface.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--F*ck Joe Biden at November 09, 2021 12:47 PM (k4dH2)

So if you're attacked and shoot the bastard in self-defense, you should be assaulted by the bastard's friends because they were "provoked".
How about all those that (falsely) claimed he murdered someone getting others shot be held for murder under the "falsely shouting fire in a crowded theater" rule to the first amendment?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 09, 2021 12:57 PM (ynpvh)

362 Nah the power grid is fine.

Just the Empress got a Green New Deal Symbian...

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 09, 2021 12:57 PM (JcqA0)

363 267 Xipe, There is not an meaningful correlation factor as it varies by cartridge--even the best ballisticians cannot make it work as a general rule. Call up Alliant or Hodgdon if you do not believe me.

The extractor rib is not a bolt lug and should not be bearing on the receiver. Same with the bolt stem.

Danish and Norweigian Krags are rated for a bit more pressure as they do have two lugs. Here is a tiny url to a stripped Norweigian Krag bolt at Apex Gun Parts https://tinyurl.com/fb3cd2jn, you can clearly see that the second lug is NOT the extractor base and that is one of the differences along with the loading gate swing direction from the American Krag.

Posted by: whig at November 09, 2021 12:57 PM (9hXN1)

364 The CDC has already admitted that they counted all the flu deaths as covid deaths in 2020.

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at November 09, 2021 12:57 PM (0B/5D)

365 I think the Wine Karen's have a secret competition going on, who can have the most 'designer influenced' and flamboyant face diaper out there. I've seen many that have been bedazzled. Shine a light on that at night and go blind.

Posted by: Capital Eff believes #RonnaMustGo #McCarthyMustGo #McConnellMustGo at November 09, 2021 12:57 PM (2xGy+)

366 Did you also see how nobody in the MSM is talking about Florida cases anymore? Weird huh?

DeSantis even tried to bait the media into talking about it, because they normally can't resist freaking out any time he says something. No dice.

Posted by: Ian S. at November 09, 2021 12:58 PM (ZGrMX)

367 "Forever Masking" is a perfect way to destroy herd immunity.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 09, 2021 12:58 PM (P3gRi)

368 CDC Head Rachel Walensky: Hey, I've Got a Great Idea. Now That the Covid Pandemic Is Diminishing, Why Don't We Wear Masks Forever to Reduce Infection By the Flu and Even the Common Cold?

I called this 19 months ago. Sometimes I hate being right.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at November 09, 2021 12:58 PM (Bmy3R)

369 329 RIP Dean Stockwell.
He was good.

----------------
I just got to saw his performance in The Werewolf Of Washington this past Halloween season. Superb horror cheese.

RIP

Posted by: Curly Shuffle at November 09, 2021 12:58 PM (TNyrE)

370 347 it almost doesn't matter whether CV19 can get through the mask material, because just slapping on a mask -- like 99% of people do -- will leave huge gaps for air to travel through unimpeded.

when the mask mandate started, i used a crochet mask with a pocket for a cloth. it sealed fairly well against my cheeks, ensuring that i was actually breathing throught the cloth in the pocket.

employer decided that wasn't good enough and issued me a factory-made (doubtless in china) cloth mask. that doesn't seal against my cheeks at all; the only thing this mask does is make my ears warm ('cause i'm breathing on them, see).

Posted by: Kulak Anachronda, behind the Newsom curtain at November 09, 2021 12:58 PM (oY6Yp)

371 Fauci may insist that widespread masking has no effect on young children, but he doesn't know. Nobody knows.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 09, 2021 12:55 PM (DU+/6)
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That's a lie! I tested it on 4,000 puppies and all the ones with masks died from flesh-eating maggots just as quickly as the the ones who didn't!

SCIENCE!

Posted by: Anthony Stephen Fauci (all serial killers are referenced with their middle names) at November 09, 2021 12:58 PM (o0WIV)

372 Every single media outlet this morning is calling Lefty Grosskreutz the "lone survivor" (every other sentence)

Other than Rosenrosen, they mean, right? I mean he survived an attack by three gunmen on himself.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 09, 2021 12:58 PM (KZzsI)

373 Then thrice-daily masturbation can help reduce your chance of catching covid by 90%!

I SHALL BE ONLY ONE!
Posted by: alexthechick - boobs and hysteria at November 09, 2021 12:45 PM

Aaaaand, there goes the power grid.
==
and this is why solar power won't work. Let's see, rainy day, can't go outside . . .

Posted by: practical engineering is a lost art at November 09, 2021 12:59 PM (56gM4)

374 He only shot three people attacking him. Some active shooter.
Posted by: Anna Puma at November 09, 2021 12:49 PM (JcqA0)

Every single media outlet this morning is calling Lefty Grosskreutz the "lone survivor" (every other sentence). Which is why we can't leave anybody in the media left to write their memoirs.
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at November 09, 2021 12:55 PM (wAnMi)

Insane.
Rittenhouse is the survivor, and only because he used self defense against the pedo and his buds who stalked and attempted to murder Rittenhouse.

Posted by: LASue at November 09, 2021 12:59 PM (Ed8Zd)

375 The prosecution is trying to show that Kyle's act of shooting Rosenbaum "provoked" the subsequent attacks on Kyle by Huber and Grossface.

That is one of the weakest, most pathetic arguments I have ever heard of.

Defending yourself is provoking others to attack you?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 09, 2021 12:59 PM (KZzsI)

376 288 Under Wisconsin law, Kyle loses the right to claim self-defense if there is evidence that he "provoked" the attacks on him. The prosecution is trying to show that Kyle's act of shooting Rosenbaum "provoked" the subsequent attacks on Kyle by Huber and Grossface.

___

The prosecution is retarded then. Because using that logic is more than 1 person is trying to kill you, and you kill the first person in self defence, you can't defend yourself from anyone else. It's insane.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at November 09, 2021 12:59 PM (OalnH)

377 Well, when you look at their application, they are estimating about 175- 200 cases of heart inflammation per 1 million doses. Not all 200 will die, probably most won't. A small price to pay for 65 billion in revenue next year.
Posted by: Just ignore the zero flu stuff, they didn't test for it at November 09, 2021 12:55 PM (x+caK)
++++
Okay. Let's assume it is 175 per million doses. The full vaccine course is two doses (non-J&J), so each "fully vaccinated" person has had two doses. The rate is 175 per million, or 350 per two million, or 17.5 per 100,000 population, or 0.018%, not controlled for age and before any boosters.

The vaccine cardiac side-effect rate is worse than the mortality rate of the disease for the entire population, and concentrated in the young who have dramatically lower risk.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 09, 2021 01:00 PM (DU+/6)

378 *waves back at SMH*

Posted by: Jordan61 at November 09, 2021 01:00 PM (jm4rC)

379 Actually there were hundreds of Antifa "survivors" which also proves the defense case.

Posted by: LASue at November 09, 2021 01:00 PM (Ed8Zd)

380 And that folks is why I haven't played that game since Sept 2020. Wear a mas - uh, fuck off. Followed by a finger point and laughter while walking past saying "I think its cute that you think masks help - God bless your heart."

Posted by: NALNAMSAM - Not as lean, not as mean, still a Marine at November 09, 2021 01:00 PM (Bhat4)

381 Compare her "80% reduction" claim to the claim I noted in the sidebar, highlighted by leftwing comic Jimmy Dore, by a doctor on NBC's Today show that covid has killed 146,000 children.

I recommend checking out Jimmy Dore's podcasts. You're going to disagree with him a lot, but he's of the Greenwald/Taibbi school of libs - he takes his shots at both sides and he's honest. And viciously funny. Kind of the Greg Gutfeld of the sane left (what's left of it, which ain't much.)

Posted by: Guy Smiley at November 09, 2021 01:00 PM (Bmy3R)

382 @disclosetv 46s

JUST IN - Pfizer CEO: People who "spread misinformation" on the #COVID19 vaccines are criminals (CNBC)

--

Criminals???

How far away are we from having to wear our yellow stars? This will be coming out of FJB's piehole or that of his stooges before year's end.

Posted by: Lady in Black at November 09, 2021 01:00 PM (sVtYq)

383 Masks serve an important purpose. They allow viruses into the respiratory tract and then impede exhalation so that the viruses are more likely to remain in the tract long enough to have a chance to start replicating.

People will forget the pandemic if they don't get sick a lot.

/s

Posted by: Emmie at November 09, 2021 01:00 PM (6RgRK)

384 Interacting with the real physical environment and doing real physical work connects people in the most tangible way possible to the real.

Posted by: ace at November 09, 2021 12:53 PM (0G13K)

One more bit of data to demonstrate that a post-industrial society is corrosive for those who are far away from traditional lives.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 09, 2021 01:01 PM (Q9lwr)

385 The vaccine cardiac side-effect rate is worse than the mortality rate of the disease for the entire population, and concentrated in the young who have dramatically lower risk.

And...that is the known short term risk.

No one knows what the long term affects of the clot shot will be. Hell, as the FDA said when they approved it.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 09, 2021 01:01 PM (ESjRY)

386 The vaccine cardiac side-effect rate is worse than the mortality rate of the disease for the entire population, and concentrated in the young who have dramatically lower risk.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 09, 2021 01:00 PM (DU+/6)

Oh, and the vaccine hasn't proven to be all that effective. So win-win!

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at November 09, 2021 01:01 PM (Y5qcH)

387 Defending yourself is provoking others to attack you?
===
HE WAS LOOKING FOR TROUBLE AND FOUND IT.

- no names

Posted by: its a mindset at November 09, 2021 01:01 PM (x+caK)

388 Under Wisconsin law, Kyle loses the right to claim self-defense if there is evidence that he "provoked" the attacks on him. The prosecution is trying to show that Kyle's act of shooting Rosenbaum "provoked" the subsequent attacks on Kyle by Huber and Grossface.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer--F*ck Joe Biden at November 09, 2021 12:47 PM (k4dH2)
++++
Wouldn't they be better off arguing that his presence there as an out-of-towner who came to help respond to the riot was a provocation? It's weak as hell, but it strikes me as a stronger argument than "defending yourself against one was a provocation against the others."

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 09, 2021 01:01 PM (DU+/6)

389 367 "Forever Masking" is a perfect way to destroy herd immunity.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 09, 2021 12:58 PM (P3gRi)
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*giggles* WE KNOW!

Posted by: vaccine manufacturers at November 09, 2021 01:01 PM (o0WIV)

390 Hi everybuddy!

Covid is no longer pandemic and has not been for many months. It is now endemic. It is now present in the environment forever. It likely will have seasonal variation. As heard immunity builds even further it will likely be no more deadly then influenza, meaning it will kill somewhere between 30,000 and 120,000 people in the US every year. It shares victims with influenza so we're likely to see the total kill rate for each disease go down as it divides up the vulnerable population.

Posted by: Dr Nick Riviera at November 09, 2021 01:02 PM (qJPKL)

391 who was the guy who said, "Thus I respond to Bishop Berkeley" as he kicked a stone (thus, the claimed, refuting the claim that the world exists solely in our heads)

(A refutation that doesn't work because an imaginary world in your head would also contain imaginary rocks which produce an imaginary feeling of resistance when you kick them, but still a fun quote)
Posted by: ace at November 09, 2021 12:55 PM (0G13K)
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Samuel Johnson, who wasn't always as clever as he liked to think he was.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at November 09, 2021 01:02 PM (AlkyK)

392 Nah the power grid is fine.

Just the Empress got a Green New Deal Symbian...
Posted by: Anna Puma at November 09, 2021 12:57 PM (JcqA0)

Endorsed

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Dune 2021 review at November 09, 2021 01:02 PM (XvPQV)

393 FWIW, Berliner Zeitung list of Euro soccer athletes collapsing on the field recently. This is a US reprint of the list. There is also a link in the story to other athletes in other sports collapsing on the field.

https://tinyurl.com/47urkz9p

Posted by: whig at November 09, 2021 01:02 PM (9hXN1)

394 who was the guy who said, "Thus I respond to Bishop Berkeley" as he kicked a stone (thus, the claimed, refuting the claim that the world exists solely in our heads)

Posted by: ace at November 09, 2021 12:55 PM (0G13K)

Dr. Johnson! (Samuel Johnson)

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 09, 2021 01:03 PM (Q9lwr)

395 Wouldn't they be better off arguing that his presence there as an out-of-towner who came to help respond to the riot was a provocation? It's weak as hell, but it strikes me as a stronger argument than "defending yourself against one was a provocation against the others."
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 09, 2021 01:01 PM (DU+/6)

Not just out of town....HE CROSSED STATE LINES!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at November 09, 2021 01:03 PM (OalnH)

396 I'm surprised working class people aren't pushing back on the masks en masse. I could not handle it, period.

But you know what, I think instead of pushing freedom of choice, they just want to punish everyone with mask mandates. I wouldn't be surprised if their response is anger that customers don't have to wear masks too instead of figuring out how to get their mask off.

I could see waiters wearing masks until the 2030's in places like CA, maybe forever.

Posted by: Blago at November 09, 2021 01:03 PM (H7KpM)

397 Actually, the masks are an outward sign that our bodies belong to the State. The clot shots are an inward sign that our bodies belong to the State.

Posted by: Emmie at November 09, 2021 01:03 PM (6RgRK)

398 Well, I guess it's a good thing masks are patriotic then.

I hate this country.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at November 09, 2021 01:03 PM (QU5/8)

399 Covid is no longer pandemic and has not been for many months. It is now endemic. It is now present in the environment forever. It likely will have seasonal variation. As heard immunity builds even further it will likely be no more deadly then influenza, meaning it will kill somewhere between 30,000 and 120,000 people in the US every year. It shares victims with influenza so we're likely to see the total kill rate for each disease go down as it divides up the vulnerable population.
Posted by: Dr Nick Riviera at November 09, 2021 01:02 PM (qJPKL)
++++
Yeah, the pandemic is over. It's in the environment, and it's a fact of life, and that sucks. But it is what it is. Some years will be better and some will be worse, just like with influenza.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 09, 2021 01:03 PM (DU+/6)

400 That is one of the weakest, most pathetic arguments I have ever heard of.

Defending yourself is provoking others to attack you?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 09, 2021 12:59 PM

Of course, that's why we have to shut down provocative conservative speakers before our kind, tolerant students get triggered and attack them.

- Every college administrator everywhere

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 09, 2021 01:03 PM (m+jkK)

401 Does anyone have a link to the DOJ's response to the 5th Circuit order (due yesterday at 5)?

Posted by: LASue at November 09, 2021 01:03 PM (Ed8Zd)

402 299 "I think aromatic molecules are a wee bit smaller than a virus. Also, give that the virus is transmitted by fluid transfer/droplets, you block the droplet. That being said, yeah, masks don't do much; If you glasses get fogged, a good portion of the air going in/out is bypassing the mask material.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 09, 2021 12:43 PM (ynpvh)"

Actually this is inaccurate. Covid is passed primarily via aerosol transmission. Not droplets. And some studies/experiments have suggested that masks actually improve the atomized discharges making the potential covid spread greater. This tracks well with actual spread data showing heavily masked locales actually had higher rates of covid spread than lightly masked populations.

Posted by: Black JEM at November 09, 2021 12:49 PM (V6xwG)

Yes, you're right, aerosolized spray, but that's still much bigger than the virii it contains, which are bigger than aromatics (which was the point I was trying to make; aromatics in farts can pass through filters that can catch virii because the virii are bigger). I also said "masks don't do much".

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 09, 2021 01:04 PM (ynpvh)

403 So if you're attacked and shoot the bastard in self-defense, you should be assaulted by the bastard's friends because they were "provoked".
____________

No, that's not what the prosecution's argument is. They aren't admitting that Huber and Grossface attacked Kyle in retaliation for Kyle shooting Rosenbaum, their fellow commie buddy.

What the prosecution is saying is that Huber and Grossface heard the shots from the Rosenbaum shooting, and then mistakenly believed that Kyle was "an active shooter" who posed a threat to everybody in the area. So then Huber and Grossface heroically run at Kyle to try and disarm him -- in a misguided attempt to save everybody else from the "active shooter."

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--F*ck Joe Biden at November 09, 2021 01:04 PM (k4dH2)

404 Easy solution. Don't wear a mask. It's the all time easiest, least risky act of civil disobedience ever but for some mysterious reason most of you just can't bring yourself to meekly rebel. Think about that. Are you proud?

Posted by: MikeN at November 09, 2021 01:04 PM (aSpYI)

405 363 Left hand thread on the barrel IIRC.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at November 09, 2021 01:04 PM (C1Lsn)

406 Actual figure? Less than 700.

And even that is probably the bullshit "with covid" count.

Posted by: Methos at November 09, 2021 01:04 PM (kOpft)

407 401 Does anyone have a link to the DOJ's response to the 5th Circuit order (due yesterday at 5)?
Posted by: LASue at November 09, 2021 01:03 PM (Ed8Zd)

I sure it was a request for more time.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at November 09, 2021 01:04 PM (Y5qcH)

408 Yeah, the pandemic is over. It's in the environment, and it's a fact of life, and that sucks

And a point that should be stressed - as soon as China decided to allow people exposed to COVID to fly to the US and Europe COVID was guaranteed to be endemic.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 09, 2021 01:04 PM (ESjRY)

409 Oh, and the vaccine hasn't proven to be all that effective. So win-win!
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at November 09, 2021 01:01 PM (Y5qcH)

Speaking of, Mom is on the phone with her friend right now, who has been sick for a couple of weeks now and just found out it's the 'rona. She had both doses of Moderna plus just got a booster right before she got sick.

Posted by: Jordan61 at November 09, 2021 01:04 PM (jm4rC)

410 Under Wisconsin law, Kyle loses the right to claim self-defense if there is evidence that he "provoked" the attacks on him. The prosecution is trying to show that Kyle's act of shooting Rosenbaum "provoked" the subsequent attacks on Kyle by Huber and Grossface.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer--F*ck Joe Biden at November 09, 2021 12:47 PM (k4dH2)
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It would seem to me that someone being "provoked" into threatening my life would be all the more justification that my offing them *was* self-defense.

That other person WANTS to kill me.

Provocation is ridiculous. Grossface is either in control of his own actions or he isn't. "I was provoked" is grade-school playground bullshit.

Posted by: reason at November 09, 2021 01:05 PM (o0WIV)

411 303 Doctor Yui dead? Oh no

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 09, 2021 12:50 PM (JcqA0)

That was Admiral Al Calavichi, "Al".

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 09, 2021 01:05 PM (ynpvh)

412 Posted by: whig at November 09, 2021 12:57 PM (9hXN1)

Bolt does not bear on receiver, but second protrusion definitely does. Chamber is tight so headspace is good. Zero play with bolt closed, even on empty chamber. I have fired the rifle and measured the cases at the same length as pre-fired.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at November 09, 2021 01:05 PM (o2MD2)

413 303 Doctor Yui dead? Oh no

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 09, 2021 12:50 PM (JcqA0)

No reprising his Dune, Quantum Leap, or other roles, I guess.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 09, 2021 01:05 PM (ynpvh)

414 The vaccine cardiac side-effect rate is worse than the mortality rate of the disease for the entire population, and concentrated in the young who have dramatically lower risk.
==
probably not exactly

- mortality is worse than a transitory heart inflammation that goes away. Now the rate of each is probably what you mean. they are estimating 175-200 cases of heart inflammation per million shots. Not nothing. Its is probably not more concentrated in the young. Its is probably in everyone. However it is easier to pick up in the data in the young because they have no background disease to offer a confounding alternative explanation. If you are 50 and got the shot, you had as much a chance of getting inflammation - its just easier to attribute that event to underlying cardiac disease due to your age.

Posted by: not a bullseye but on paper at November 09, 2021 01:05 PM (56gM4)

415 2 Thessalonians 2: 9-12

The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Posted by: SMH - The War has been won, only the battles remain, as usual at November 09, 2021 01:05 PM (ZnsQq)

416 385 18-1, I think the Great Reset shot callers and top Pharma leaders know exactly what the mRna bioweapons will do to us.

They intend our end.

Dr. Zev Zelenko, a pioneer in Covid treatment, regards the shot campaign as flat out, premeditated murder.

Posted by: callsign claymore at November 09, 2021 01:05 PM (cr6Lm)

417 On the Rittenhouse case. Remember the prosecution wins 90% of all criminal cases, so the odds against Kyle are 9:1.

By the way, those 9:1 odds also hold in moot court where 100% of the defendants are innocent, and everyone involved knows they are innocent.

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at November 09, 2021 01:05 PM (0B/5D)

418 When they lose, and pandemic stops paying dividends, they will stop.

Posted by: runner at November 09, 2021 01:05 PM (V7qBU)

419

I've had analvid 73 times!

Burns like a mother...

Posted by: Don Lemonparty at November 09, 2021 01:05 PM (qJPKL)

420 "Forever Masking" is a perfect way to destroy herd immunity.

That's only true if, as we know is false, they actually work to prevent you from getting sick. Even the mask manufacturers admit they do not.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 09, 2021 01:06 PM (KZzsI)

421 What the prosecution is saying is that Huber and Grossface heard the shots from the Rosenbaum shooting, and then mistakenly believed that Kyle was "an active shooter" who posed a threat to everybody in the area. So then Huber and Grossface heroically run at Kyle to try and disarm him -- in a misguided attempt to save everybody else from the "active shooter."
Posted by: TrivialPursuer--

That's not how self defense claims work.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 09, 2021 01:06 PM (IlL7x)

422
It would seem to me that someone being "provoked" into threatening my life would be all the more justification that my offing them *was* self-defense.

Rosenbaum was the active shooter

Posted by: It's me donna at November 09, 2021 01:06 PM (0PUU9)

423 There's a Winchester 54 for sale for $300ish on Proxibid. I'm tempted, very tempted. Honestly though....I don't use the other 30-06 I already have (Savage Axis).

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Dune 2021 review at November 09, 2021 01:06 PM (XvPQV)

424 388 Joe M, won't work, Kyle worked in Kenosha as a lifeguard. In addition, Kenosha is on the WI-IL border and Kyle lived just across the border from Kenosha.

The provocation is all they have but the problem with using provocation is that time exists between incidents. But dunno about WI case law.

Posted by: whig at November 09, 2021 01:06 PM (9hXN1)

425 I can only offer my own limited anecdotal perspective on this, it's a hard no from me, and here's why. My kids go to our local Parochial Catholic School in NJ. They were out of school during the spring of 2020 same as everyone else. We had the good fortune of being able to reopen and stay open the entire 2020/2021 school year albeit with masks. We had a few hiccups here and there, and it was a weird school year especially for our kindergartener, but we were beyond blessed to have returned to a quasi normal. I remember specifically saying to my wife the first day of school... well, maybe with the masks we wont have to deal with the usual beginning of the year kindergarten crud/colds that the kids seem to get each September, with masks, sometimes face shields, and bathing in hand sanitizer what can go wrong? Like clockwork, all three of our girls were felled within 2 weeks of the return to school and they gave it to our son. No covid or flu, just regular colds. Back to school this year, still in masks, same damn thing, and we just had another round last week, with the added bonus of now needing to get covid tests to go back after illness. Still negative, just colds.

Posted by: Dr. Shatterhand at November 09, 2021 01:06 PM (Yuj9T)

426 ..Danish and Norweigian Krags are rated for a bit more pressure as they do have two lugs. Here is a tiny url to a stripped Norweigian Krag bolt at Apex Gun Parts https://tinyurl.com/fb3cd2jn, you can clearly see that the second lug is NOT the extractor base and that is one of the differences along with the loading gate swing direction from the American Krag. Posted by: whig at November 09, 2021 12:57 PM (9hXN1)

*fetches Norweigian Krag outta safe*

Yep, Whig is correct. Two lugs on the bolt. It ain't gonna handle Ruger reloading pressures, but it'll be fine with most every commercial 6.5x55 offerings.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at November 09, 2021 01:07 PM (QzJWU)

427 I sure it was a request for more time.

The courts are normally slow...be interesting to see if they get that they don't have time to wait. Every day more people will get the clot shot, not because they believe it will help them, but because Biden will make their company fire them if they do not.

Especially since I don't like in the 5th Circuit I really, really want the court to step on the gas pedal here.

If this gets to the SC and they say no to the mandate in...spring of next year are they going to make companies rehire people? Pay them an indemnity or something?

Posted by: 18-1 at November 09, 2021 01:07 PM (ESjRY)

428 The "vaccine" actually seems to be significantly more problematic than what its supposedly protecting you from. Its shown more side effects than any other approved drug, and I suspect so many and so awful that it would have been long ago yanked off the market by the FDA in a sane universe.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 09, 2021 01:07 PM (KZzsI)

429 Easy solution. Don't wear a mask. It's the all time easiest, least risky act of civil disobedience ever but for some mysterious reason most of you just can't bring yourself to meekly rebel. Think about that. Are you proud?
Posted by: MikeN

I rebel, but I fortunately live in a state where this silliness was already over anyway about the time I was pushing back.

I have a friend that was a Marine that served in Afghanistan, he was on a flight recently and the stewardess said if I can see your nose I'll have you arrested on the loudspeaker. So the mask wasn't enough, the nose had better be behind it also. And then everyone takes off their masks to eat their peanuts, then dutifully puts them back on.

Posted by: Blago at November 09, 2021 01:07 PM (H7KpM)

430 423 MAE, that is a smoking price for a Win 54--makes me wonder if something is wrong with it.

Posted by: whig at November 09, 2021 01:07 PM (9hXN1)

431 And a point that should be stressed - as soon as China decided to allow people exposed to COVID to fly to the US and Europe COVID was guaranteed to be endemic.
Posted by: 18-1 at November 09, 2021 01:04 PM (ESjRY)
++++
An easily-communicable disease that is caused by pathogens subject to easy mutation is almost guaranteed to become endemic unless it is detected and stopped immediately. This is known, and it was known at the time.

Remember, don't let them keep moving the goal posts, at least not in your mind. "Two weeks to flatten the curve" was precisely that: try to reduce spread for a brief period of time to smooth out the curve and keep hospitals from being overwhelmed. It was out in the environment and therefore would become a common thing. The goal wasn't to stop its spread or eliminate the virus - that is impossible and everyone knew it - it was to try to slow things down to let us respond.

Trying to eliminate COVID or get it to zero or whatever is insane and dishonest and obviously so.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 09, 2021 01:07 PM (DU+/6)

432 @JackPosobiec 8m

The HD footage

https://tinyurl.com/yeurfy6d

Posted by: Tami at November 09, 2021 01:07 PM (cF8AT)

433 Does anyone have a link to the DOJ's response to the 5th Circuit order (due yesterday at 5)?
Posted by: LASue at November 09, 2021 01:03 PM

"Neener, neener, neener!" Respondent, DoJ's Response at 1.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 09, 2021 01:07 PM (m+jkK)

434 Posted by: SMH - The War has been won, only the battles remain, as usual at November 09, 2021 01:05 PM (ZnsQq)

Good post.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at November 09, 2021 01:08 PM (o2MD2)

435 Speaking of, Mom is on the phone with her friend right now, who has been sick for a couple of weeks now and just found out it's the 'rona. She had both doses of Moderna plus just got a booster right before she got sick.
==
I've seen some statistical studies suggesting that after 180 days the vaccine has a negative efficacy and the negative effect increasing as time increases. Negative efficacy could suggest it makes you more likely than a control group to get the disease. Which is why they want to be rid of the control groups.

Posted by: not a bullseye but on paper at November 09, 2021 01:08 PM (MP2/L)

436 Ace: "We live in viral times. People themselves have now become viral in most essential sense of the word."

Interesting take.

COVID has become sentient.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at November 09, 2021 01:08 PM (aXxgO)

437 One of the things that has irritated me the most about the WU FLU is scientists totally throwing science out the window. "The unvaxxed are a threat to the vaxxed for which they are vaxxed against."

Oh come on! But then the public buys that line.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 09, 2021 01:08 PM (r5BVk)

438 423 There's a Winchester 54 for sale for $300ish on Proxibid. I'm tempted, very tempted. Honestly though....I don't use the other 30-06 I already have (Savage Axis).
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Dune 2021 review at November 09, 2021 01:06 PM (XvPQV)

I don't use my life insurance either, but its nice to know its there.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at November 09, 2021 01:08 PM (Y5qcH)

439 Easy solution. Don't wear a mask. It's the all-time easiest, least risky act of civil disobedience ever but for some mysterious reason most of you just can't bring yourself to meekly rebel. Think about that. Are you proud?
___

I agree about not wearing a mask.
However, it's easier for some of us than others to rebel.

And in some places, not wearing a mask equals harsh penalties (see Philipines).

Posted by: SMH - The War has been won, only the battles remain, as usual at November 09, 2021 01:08 PM (ZnsQq)

440 Grosskreutz is also suing Kenosha for ten million dollars, and nowhere in his lawsuit does he indicate he was illegally armed. His ccw permit was expired.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at November 09, 2021 01:08 PM (ufFY8)

441 433 Does anyone have a link to the DOJ's response to the 5th Circuit order (due yesterday at 5)?
Posted by: LASue at November 09, 2021 01:03 PM

They chose to ignore it

Posted by: It's me donna at November 09, 2021 01:08 PM (0PUU9)

442 403 So if you're attacked and shoot the bastard in self-defense, you should be assaulted by the bastard's friends because they were "provoked".
____________

No, that's not what the prosecution's argument is. They aren't admitting that Huber and Grossface attacked Kyle in retaliation for Kyle shooting Rosenbaum, their fellow commie buddy.

What the prosecution is saying is that Huber and Grossface heard the shots from the Rosenbaum shooting, and then mistakenly believed that Kyle was "an active shooter" who posed a threat to everybody in the area. So then Huber and Grossface heroically run at Kyle to try and disarm him -- in a misguided attempt to save everybody else from the "active shooter."

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--F*ck Joe Biden at November 09, 2021 01:04 PM (k4dH2)

So Kyle should have sacrificed himself to folks that wanted to kill him? Sorry, no dice. Not his fault if he was "mistakenly" attacked, especially as he was trying to run away and NOT SHOOTING ANYONE.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 09, 2021 01:08 PM (ynpvh)

443 Christine detective dead?
Posted by: Humphreyrobot at November 09, 2021 12:52 PM (CwAXE)

Harry Dean Stanton died in 2017.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at November 09, 2021 01:08 PM (ZSK0i)

444 Posted by: MikeN at November 09, 2021 01:04 PM (aSpYI)

Are you trolling? You have no goddam idea what "most of us" do. PIss off.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at November 09, 2021 01:08 PM (Bmy3R)

445 What the prosecution is saying is that Huber and Grossface heard the shots from the Rosenbaum shooting, and then mistakenly believed that Kyle was "an active shooter" who posed a threat to everybody in the area. So then Huber and Grossface heroically run at Kyle to try and disarm him -- in a misguided attempt to save everybody else from the "active shooter."

This is a better argument in court, because it might just fool a few of the dimmer or more woke jurors, giving them thin legal justification for their predetermined conclusion.

But its still terrible. That's patently and obviously not what happened, as the video plainly shows.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 09, 2021 01:08 PM (KZzsI)

446 389 367 "Forever Masking" is a perfect way to destroy herd immunity.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 09, 2021 12:58 PM (P3gRi)
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*giggles* WE KNOW!

Posted by: vaccine manufacturers at November 09, 2021 01:01 PM
And they knew how AIDS was spread too, but did not require mandatory condoms. Did they?

Posted by: Eromero at November 09, 2021 01:08 PM (0OP+5)

447 Speaking of, Mom is on the phone with her friend right now, who has been sick for a couple of weeks now and just found out it's the 'rona. She had both doses of Moderna plus just got a booster right before she got sick.
Posted by: Jordan61

Pfizer CEO is on the phone with the DOJ right now, reporting your IP.

Posted by: Joe Mama at November 09, 2021 01:08 PM (WmGrA)

448 Further, even if it was a case where these others ran up to stop an active shooter, he was not a murdering psycho, but was merely defending himself. So even if that was what happened he still was defending himself from guys running up and trying to shoot him whatever their motives were.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 09, 2021 01:10 PM (KZzsI)

449 That's not how self defense claims work.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 09, 2021 01:06 PM

They're down to just pounding on the table at this point.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 09, 2021 01:10 PM (m+jkK)

450 - mortality is worse than a transitory heart inflammation that goes away. Now the rate of each is probably what you mean. they are estimating 175-200 cases of heart inflammation per million shots. Not nothing. Its is probably not more concentrated in the young. Its is probably in everyone. However it is easier to pick up in the data in the young because they have no background disease to offer a confounding alternative explanation. ...
Posted by: not a bullseye but on paper at November 09, 2021 01:05 PM (56gM4)
++++
Yup, definitely. This is much more of a consideration for the young, and the whole "known risk" versus "unknown risk" equation changes with age, sometimes dramatically. But young people don't usually get heart inflammation and they also don't usually get COVID (kids, anyway) and when they do get it, it is only very rarely severe. Those are lots of unknown risks, but if you get the shot then you are accepting known risks, immediately, every time. I think most young people (under 30, at least) probably *shouldn't* get the shot. If you're older, do your risk assessment.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 09, 2021 01:10 PM (DU+/6)

451 @JackPosobiec 5m

"Not chasing -- just running along the same path"

"I investigated using pinch to zoom on my iPhone" - Crooked Detective Ataramian

Posted by: Tami at November 09, 2021 01:10 PM (cF8AT)

452 That's not how self defense claims work.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 09, 2021 01:06 PM

They're down to just pounding on the table at this point.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 09, 2021 01:10 PM (m+jkK)

I have no faith in the justice system.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at November 09, 2021 01:10 PM (Y5qcH)

453 And they knew how AIDS was spread too, but did not require mandatory condoms. Did they?
Posted by: Eromero at November 09, 2021 01:08 PM (0OP+5)

At least they are telling us to put something on before bending us over this time I guess.

Posted by: Bete at November 09, 2021 01:10 PM (F9322)

454 417 On the Rittenhouse case. Remember the prosecution wins 90% of all criminal cases, so the odds against Kyle are 9:1.

By the way, those 9:1 odds also hold in moot court where 100% of the defendants are innocent, and everyone involved knows they are innocent.

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at November 09, 2021 01:05 PM (0B/5D)

Most of that is plea agreements. The Gov't loads up a case with all the possible charges, leading to ridiculously long prison terms if you are convicted of them all, the offers the defendant an "out" by pleading guilty and seving a much shorter sentence.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 09, 2021 01:11 PM (ynpvh)

455
I have no faith in the justice system.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at November 09, 2021 01:10 PM (Y5qcH)

Nor do I

Posted by: It's me donna at November 09, 2021 01:11 PM (0PUU9)

456 Actually, the masks are an outward sign that our bodies belong to the State. The clot shots are an inward sign that our bodies belong to the State.
Posted by: Emmie at November 09, 2021 01:03
~~~
And, as my body does not belong to the State, I cannot comply.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at November 09, 2021 01:11 PM (IDhUW)

457 The persecution is now hoping the jury is scared enough of their own lives to convict. The 'active shooter' is that sheet to the wind Hail Mary to give the jury a fig-leaf of justification.

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 09, 2021 01:11 PM (JcqA0)

458 I have no faith in the justice system.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe
___

I do.
Just not man's version of justice.

Posted by: SMH - The War has been won, only the battles remain, as usual at November 09, 2021 01:11 PM (ZnsQq)

459 And they knew how AIDS was spread too, but did not require mandatory condoms. Did they?
Posted by: Eromero at November 09, 2021 01:08 PM

Get the government out of our bath houses!

- Big Gay, Inc.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 09, 2021 01:11 PM (m+jkK)

460 428 The "vaccine" actually seems to be significantly more problematic than what its supposedly protecting you from. Its shown more side effects than any other approved drug, and I suspect so many and so awful that it would have been long ago yanked off the market by the FDA in a sane universe.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 09, 2021 01:07 PM (KZzsI)

They must continue the lie, because they would have to take responsibility if they now told the truth.

They truly fear the anger of the American Man... and they should. THEY remember that we are the only folks who ever dropped a Nuke in anger... and we did it TWICE.

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 09, 2021 01:11 PM (oHd/0)

461 I know of an older gentleman who used to go to church with me, he got the shot, he got the Wuhan Flu so bad he is still in the hospital fighting off pneumonia.

See the purpose of the mRNA shot is not to keep you from getting the crud. They can't do that. Its to stop your body from overreacting and making the crud worse.

And it failed.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 09, 2021 01:11 PM (KZzsI)

462 and so it continues

Posted by: that guy that always thinks it's continuing at November 09, 2021 01:11 PM (yQpMk)

463
It's a somewhat different take, but this is what I call the hokum-based society. I don't see it as a virus. Just a society where everything is a lie. Nothing is real. Everything is unmoored from reality at this time.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 09, 2021 01:12 PM (/KPLX)

464 Actually, the masks are an outward sign that our bodies belong to the State. The clot shots are an inward sign that our bodies belong to the State.
Posted by: Emmie at November 09, 2021 01:03

They can have it. It's a lemon, a ticking time bomb.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at November 09, 2021 01:12 PM (Y5qcH)

465 Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at November 09, 2021 01:07 PM (QzJWU)

I shoot only reloads. I never try to turn the 30-40 into an 06. if I wanted a 30-06 I would get one. I like the mild recoil of my rifle, even with a scoped weight of 5 pounds.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at November 09, 2021 01:12 PM (o2MD2)

466 So then Huber and Grossface heroically run at Kyle to try and disarm him -- in a misguided attempt to save everybody else from the "active shooter."
Posted by: TrivialPursuer--F*ck Joe Biden at November 09, 2021 01:04 PM (k4dH2)

The big problem there is that Grossface admitted on the stand yesterday that he didn't think Rittenhouse was an "active shooter." Then he claimed that he tried to lift his hands and surrender to him. Defense atty pointed out the video of the event, and asked where did that happen in this video of your interaction? Grossface: um, I guess it didn't.

It got better. Question: So he was not pointing his gun at you when you ran up to him? Yes, that's true.
Did you then lift your gun and aim it at him? Um, Yes.
So he did not shoot at you until after you pointed your gun at him? Um, yes.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 09, 2021 01:12 PM (trdmm)

467 447 Speaking of, Mom is on the phone with her friend right now, who has been sick for a couple of weeks now and just found out it's the 'rona. She had both doses of Moderna plus just got a booster right before she got sick.
Posted by: Jordan61

As I pointed out to a co-worker who got jabbed twice and ended up sick anyway:

"Hey, you know what I have never worried about catching? Polio."

Posted by: Azathoth at November 09, 2021 01:12 PM (qojhr)

468 451 @JackPosobiec 5m

"Not chasing -- just running along the same path"

"I investigated using pinch to zoom on my iPhone" - Crooked Detective Ataramian
Posted by: Tami at November 09, 2021 01:10 PM (cF8AT)

Not insurrectioning, just go separated from the tour.

Posted by: Bete at November 09, 2021 01:12 PM (F9322)

469 And that heart damage will cause a high number of deaths inside of 10 years.

How is that not premeditated murder?

My goodness you are innocent. The defining factor behind every totalitarian in history has been getting away with mass murder. Why do you think the left reveres Stalin/Mao but not Hitler? Because Hitler didn't get away with it. Does their Fauci worship make sense now?

Psychopaths have got to psycho.

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at November 09, 2021 01:12 PM (0B/5D)

470 I have no faith in the justice system.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe

We don't have a Justice system...

We have a LEGAL system. Calling it the Justice Department, or calling Judges Justicses... is grossly mislabeling them.

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 09, 2021 01:13 PM (oHd/0)

471 "Hey, you know what I have never worried about catching? Polio."

Posted by: Azathoth
___

Or smallpox, anthrax, etc.

Posted by: SMH - The War has been won, only the battles remain, as usual at November 09, 2021 01:13 PM (ZnsQq)

472 Already mentioned?

By people, the mean "the help" will continue to wear masks. The billionaire-politico-Hollywood set, not so much:

Ivy Getty gets married! https://tinyurl.com/2snhbzky

Posted by: Lizzy at November 09, 2021 01:13 PM (bDqIh)

473 that is a smoking price for a Win 54--makes me wonder if something is wrong with it.
Posted by: whig at November 09, 2021 01:07 PM (9hXN1)

Pics look good, nice diopeter sight too. No scope, but I'm sorta looking for an iron-sight bolt gun.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Dune 2021 review at November 09, 2021 01:13 PM (XvPQV)

474 What the prosecution is saying is that Huber and Grossface heard the shots from the Rosenbaum shooting, and then mistakenly believed that Kyle was "an active shooter" who posed a threat to everybody in the area. So then Huber and Grossface heroically run at Kyle to try and disarm him -- in a misguided attempt to save everybody else from the "active shooter."
Posted by: TrivialPursuer--

That's not how self defense claims work.
=====
The first shot was not Kyles. it fired by a co conspirator. It was their plan, to give them cover to attack him. Guess why the police never copied that one dude's phone . . .

Antifa is organized. They have a tactical plan and officers in the field.

Posted by: if it looks, acts, smells, sounds, and is timed like an op, its an op at November 09, 2021 01:13 PM (0vseC)

475 For Saturday masks day shame I am not out to make waves.

Posted by: Skip's Phone at November 09, 2021 01:13 PM (dzvKK)

476 The Gov't loads up a case with all the possible charges, leading to ridiculously long prison terms if you are convicted of them all, the offers the defendant an "out" by pleading guilty and serving a much shorter sentence.

Which also makes their conviction rate look better: see, we convicted a guy charged with 3811 counts!

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 09, 2021 01:13 PM (KZzsI)

477 If you are havin' trouble with your CDC head
Here's what you gotta do...

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at November 09, 2021 01:13 PM (0ryfU)

478 It's a somewhat different take, but this is what I call the hokum-based society. I don't see it as a virus. Just a society where everything is a lie. Nothing is real. Everything is unmoored from reality at this time.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 09, 2021 01:12 PM (/KPLX)

I dunno, I like the idea of leftists as a Bad Viral Infection. Makes me want to be a Leukocyte.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 09, 2021 01:13 PM (trdmm)

479 Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at November 09, 2021 01:12 PM (0B/5D)

1 Death is a tragedy... 1 million deaths is a statistic.

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 09, 2021 01:14 PM (oHd/0)

480 426 Jim SND,
Those are nice rifles, only handled one of them but never shot them.
I am partial to the 6.5 Swede as I have several Swedish Mausers that I restored.

Plus, I do have several parts for a Danish Krag that I got when I bought a lot of Krag parts for restoring. Have the loading gate and some other parts that won't fit the US Krag.

Posted by: whig at November 09, 2021 01:14 PM (9hXN1)

481 Almost nobody in my area of Ohio are wearing masks. It's maybe 5% at most.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at November 09, 2021 01:14 PM (YQ4mh)

482 This is a better argument in court, because it might just fool a few of the dimmer or more woke jurors,

giving them thin legal justification for their predetermined conclusion.

Nope. Unless you are a cop, your legal responsibility is to un-ass the AO.

IF you cannot, and you have NO OTHER OPTIONS, then you have a right to self defense. Running TOWARDS danger does not give you the right yo self defense.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 09, 2021 01:14 PM (IlL7x)

483 I see Newsom is scheduled for a "fireside chat" at the CA Economic Summit in Monterey tomorrow. Google's maiden voyage launch of their deep fake technology. Good thing they've been practicing with Newsom for a year now.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at November 09, 2021 01:14 PM (wAnMi)

484 Camilla provoked my shart!

Posted by: Joe Biden's rectum at November 09, 2021 01:14 PM (786Ro)

485 I dunno, I like the idea of leftists as a Bad Viral Infection. Makes me want to be a Leukocyte.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 09, 2021 01:13 PM (trdmm)

More of a Cancer.

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 09, 2021 01:14 PM (oHd/0)

486 @MaryMargOlohan

Schiff: "None of [Trump's] serious misconduct is in any way diminished by the fact that people lied to Christopher Steele."

@MorganOrtagus: "No, I think just your credibility is."

https://tinyurl.com/yzgzmzwe

I'm a tad shocked this occurred on The View!

Posted by: Tami at November 09, 2021 01:15 PM (cF8AT)

487 "An analogy that just occurred to me:"

When the word "meme" first appeared, that was the analogy used - a "meme" was an "information gene", that was spread from person to person. Soundbites, but with more bite as it were.

Now memes are images, typically humorous, but subsuming the role of political cartoons, and spreading more dynamically because of social media.

And of course the term "viral" applies to videos.

So, yeah. That is what they have always been. The process has simply "mutated", accelerating its cycle as it has been identified, studied, and ultimately weaponized as a method of social engineering.

Just be careful of projecting too much functional change within the subjects (people/us), as that is the path to Lysenkoism.

Posted by: Sam at November 09, 2021 01:15 PM (ohyxL)

488 And that heart damage will cause a high number of deaths inside of 10 years

I think there will be a rash of "unexplained" sterility and deaths in the coming decade. They'll probably blame it on car exhaust or global warming.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 09, 2021 01:15 PM (KZzsI)

489 >>We live in viral times. People themselves have now become viral in most essential sense of the word. Having no fundamental spiritual DNA, they now mutate dozens of times a year, becoming more virulent with each mutation, and spread their diseased Codes to the other Viruses who look like people.

Dang, ace, shoulda added *mic drop* at the end!
This is so true.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 09, 2021 01:15 PM (bDqIh)

490 Almost nobody in my area of Ohio are wearing masks. It's maybe 5% at most.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop
___

Went out to eat after church Sunday, and the little diner we went to had no one wear masks, neither staff nor patrons.

As far as my small town is concerned, Pritzker can take a long leap off a short pier.

Posted by: SMH - The War has been won, only the battles remain, as usual at November 09, 2021 01:16 PM (ZnsQq)

491 "Hey, you know what I have never worried about catching? Polio."
Posted by: Azathoth
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Or smallpox, anthrax, etc.
Posted by: SMH - The War has been won, only the battles remain, as usual at November 09, 2021 01:13 PM (ZnsQq)

All those damned white people didn't understand the real concept of a "vaccine".

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at November 09, 2021 01:16 PM (wAnMi)

492 What I really want is a revolver in .45 Cold/.45 ACP...I just don't want to pay through the nose for it.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, load and make ready at November 09, 2021 01:16 PM (XvPQV)

493 471 "Hey, you know what I have never worried about catching? Polio."

Posted by: Azathoth
___

Or smallpox, anthrax, etc.

Posted by: SMH - The War has been won, only the battles remain, as usual at November 09, 2021 01:13 PM (ZnsQq)

Now the plague? Well, in the areas with lots of "homeless", yeah, that can happen.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 09, 2021 01:16 PM (ynpvh)

494 I've seen some statistical studies suggesting that after 180 days the vaccine has a negative efficacy and the negative effect increasing as time increases. Negative efficacy could suggest it makes you more likely than a control group to get the disease. Which is why they want to be rid of the control groups.
Posted by: not a bullseye but on paper at November 09, 2021 01:08 PM (MP2/L)

Interesting. That is just about the right time frame. Mom and all her friends got the shot in May.

Posted by: Jordan61 at November 09, 2021 01:16 PM (jm4rC)

495 I told you it would take a generation to go back to normal. 12 years before we get back to the old normal.

Posted by: Actually Inside the Beltway at November 09, 2021 01:16 PM (fMhOl)

496 The video Wal-Mart uses to teach active shooter scenarios is

1. Escape.
2. No escape, barricade and hide.
3. Fight back, you have the right to self-defense.

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 09, 2021 01:16 PM (JcqA0)

497 473, Then I would get it MAE as the receiver and its parts alone are worth that even if the barrel is trashed.

Posted by: whig at November 09, 2021 01:17 PM (9hXN1)

498
1 Death is a tragedy... 1 million deaths is a statistic.
Posted by: Romeo13 at November 09, 2021 01:14 PM (oHd/0)

Eh, you can cause people to die. Just don't grope anyone.

Posted by: Andrew Cuomo at November 09, 2021 01:17 PM (F9322)

499 Schiff: "None of [Trump's] serious misconduct is in any way diminished by the fact that people lied to Christopher Steele."

***

Eat shit and die constipated, Schiff.

Posted by: Azathoth at November 09, 2021 01:17 PM (qojhr)

500 462 and so it continues
Posted by: that guy that always thinks it's continuing at November 09, 2021 01:11 PM (yQpMk)

^
This guy is onto something

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, load and make ready at November 09, 2021 01:18 PM (XvPQV)

501 483 I see Newsom is scheduled for a "fireside chat" at the CA Economic Summit in Monterey tomorrow. Google's maiden voyage launch of their deep fake technology. Good thing they've been practicing with Newsom for a year now.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at November 09, 2021 01:14 PM (wAnMi)

Not the kind of fireside chat I would like to see.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 09, 2021 01:18 PM (ynpvh)

502 Nood- Schools don't care no more.

Posted by: Andrew Cuomo at November 09, 2021 01:18 PM (F9322)

503 Good thing they've been practicing with Newsom for a year now.
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at November 09, 2021 01:14 PM (wAnMi)
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They've been practicing with Zuckerberg for longer, and still can't make him look like a human being.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at November 09, 2021 01:18 PM (AlkyK)

504 Now the plague? Well, in the areas with lots of "homeless", yeah, that can happen.
Posted by: jim

And yet, with covid, it STILL didn't happen.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 09, 2021 01:18 PM (IlL7x)

505 Schiff-4-Brains got punked by Russian DJs.

He's an expert on mis-information.

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 09, 2021 01:18 PM (JcqA0)

506 Then I would get it MAE as the receiver and its parts alone are worth that even if the barrel is trashed.
Posted by: whig at November 09, 2021 01:17 PM (9hXN1)

I think I was hoping you'd say that

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, load and make ready at November 09, 2021 01:18 PM (XvPQV)

507 Having no fundamental spiritual DNA, they now mutate dozens of times a year, becoming more virulent with each mutation, and spread their diseased Codes to the other Viruses who look like people.

Our culture has no skeleton. The left ripped the bones out of our society and replaced it with jello. They have a religion and a moral code but its not only horribly wrong, but changes constantly. You cannot build a society around an ever-shifting, constantly-changing, "mutating" system of ethics. Nobody knows what is right or wrong from literally day to day in this system. There's nothing to get purchase on to actually build around. This will without possible variation, inevitably collapse. And when it collapses, then the rebuilding can take place.

The only possible thing that can prevent this collapse, which we are watching in real time is the intervention of an outside force. Some tremendous catastrophe, an invasion, or the sovereign act of God.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 09, 2021 01:19 PM (KZzsI)

508 488 Yup. Carbon dioxide exhaust from singing hymns...white privilege...whatever can be pinned on most of the Horde and others who aren't as blind as bats about what's happening in America.

Posted by: callsign claymore at November 09, 2021 01:19 PM (cr6Lm)

509 Oh how they love to tease with the 'novel' coronavirus as the subject:

Pennsylvania just announced the mask mandate for public schools could end on January 17, 2022.

That's probably the date Federal OSHA is going to start 'visiting' private employers in the Commonwealth regarding covid-19 regulations.

Posted by: Lola at November 09, 2021 01:19 PM (VQp1G)

510 Now the plague? Well, in the areas with lots of "homeless", yeah, that can happen.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 09, 2021 01:16 PM (ynpvh)

From what I've heard, we've had more than a few cases of the big B in LA homeless encampments as the rodent population is skyrocketing. For some reason the news of this just never gets out. Unless it's some middela aged white guy that fed a chipmunk in Yosemite.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at November 09, 2021 01:19 PM (wAnMi)

511 471 "Hey, you know what I have never worried about catching? Polio."
Posted by: Azathoth
___
Or smallpox, anthrax, etc.
Posted by: SMH - The War has been won, only the battles remain, as usual at November 09, 2021 01:13 PM (ZnsQq)

Hell let's go even more modern. How many parents would get their kids the chicken pox vaccine if they knew in 6 months it would be worthless? Hell worthless in two years?

Posted by: Buzzion at November 09, 2021 01:19 PM (G2zl5)

512 492 MAE, what is wrong with the Ruger Blackhawk with convertible cylinders?

If you pick up the latest Gun Digest where they usually have an ad, or simply google and call, there is a firearms shop in Massachussetts, Pack and Postal, that has good deals on less than investment grade firearms. Seen quite a few used Blackhawks or even 1917 Colts for reasonable prices for a shooter grade.

Posted by: whig at November 09, 2021 01:19 PM (9hXN1)

513 Remember when the Russian radio jocks punked Schiff on Trump "compromat"? They wanted to be lied to so bad they took the 1st narrative that presented itself, even though it wasn't remotely credible.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at November 09, 2021 01:20 PM (UuD2k)

514 We've talked about changing attitudes about self-defense and intervening to help others. Reasonableness plays a big role in self-defense claims; so, if the jury is made up of people who've been conditioned not to defend themselves or others, or view violence as unreasonable per se (by, say, zero-tolerance school policies), the defendant is screwed. And there's a lot of those people out there, especially in cities. It's why it's a fool's errand to help others in blue/purple enclaves.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at November 09, 2021 01:20 PM (QU5/8)

515 Almost nobody in my area of Ohio are wearing masks. It's maybe 5% at most.
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Only places people wear them are at doctors office or in church. Also at work because required in hallways.

Occasional people are seen with them on in public. Maybe they are high risk or fragile in some other way. In general, most people not wearing. I think that 95% is right.

Posted by: if it looks, acts, smells, sounds, and is timed like an op, its an op at November 09, 2021 01:20 PM (MP2/L)

516 472 Already mentioned?

By people, the mean "the help" will continue to wear masks. The billionaire-politico-Hollywood set, not so much:

Ivy Getty gets married! https://tinyurl.com/2snhbzky

Posted by: Lizzy at November 09, 2021 01:13 PM
Wonder was Zou bai-Den offered opportunity to sniff and fondlefinger Ivy?

Posted by: Eromero at November 09, 2021 01:20 PM (0OP+5)

517 ..I shoot only reloads. I never try to turn the 30-40 into an 06. if I wanted a 30-06 I would get one. I like the mild recoil of my rifle, even with a scoped weight of 5 pounds. Posted by: Xipe Totec at November 09, 2021 01:12 PM (o2MD2)

The .30-40 is a perfectly cromulent deer-load in the Krag, or any other rifle so chambered. Much like the .30-30 Winchester, the deer won't know the difference between those or an aught-six, it's all the same .308 diameter bore, just different velocities at the outset.

My poast was just a bit of wee gloat-itude, in that I actually *have* a Norweigian Krag in 6.5x55 Swede, said rifle of which few are aware exists, and fewer still have actually seen one in it's blued steel and walnut glory.

*gloaty mc gloatface*

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at November 09, 2021 01:21 PM (QzJWU)

518 510 Now the plague? Well, in the areas with lots of "homeless", yeah, that can happen.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 09, 2021 01:16 PM (ynpvh)

From what I've heard, we've had more than a few cases of the big B in LA homeless encampments as the rodent population is skyrocketing. For some reason the news of this just never gets out. Unless it's some middela aged white guy that fed a chipmunk in Yosemite.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at November 09, 2021 01:19 PM (wAnMi)

Having someone at the city hall get it? Priceless.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 09, 2021 01:21 PM (ynpvh)

519 They've been practicing with Zuckerberg for longer, and still can't make him look like a human being.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at November 09, 2021 01:18 PM (AlkyK)

They really should do studies on that guy. How many actual humans trigger the uncanny valley effect?

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at November 09, 2021 01:21 PM (wAnMi)

520 506 MAE, also be on the lookout for a JC Higgins (sears brand) relabel of a Winchester Model 70--I think that they only made them for a year or two but the guts of it are sure enough a WInchester Model 70 with a price saving finish.

Sears (JC Higgins) also imported FN Mausers that are good deals if you like them during the 50's in 270 Win and 30-06.

Posted by: whig at November 09, 2021 01:22 PM (9hXN1)

521 They are forcing us into a hot war. That is the only way this ends.

Posted by: Miss Issippi at November 09, 2021 01:23 PM (sI15f)

522 t would seem to me that someone being "provoked" into threatening my life would be all the more justification that my offing them *was* self-defense.

That other person WANTS to kill me.

Provocation is ridiculous. Grossface is either in control of his own actions or he isn't. "I was provoked" is grade-school playground bullshit.
______________

Yeah, this is about Wisconsin's self defense law, which is a bit weird. Andrew Branca over at Legal Insurrection has been providing the analysis of their law, if you want to read more about it.

Historically, most jurisdictions have made some kind of exception for self-defense claims in circumstances where the person claiming self defense deliberately provoked the victim into the first blow. For example, if you call some guy's wife or mother a filthy diseased whore because you're trying to goad him into taking a swing at you so that you can then flatten him, you don't usually get to claim "hey, I was just defending myself. He hit me first."

But the argument that Rittenhouse "provoked" the attacks on him by Huber and Grossface is a long way from that kind of situation.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--F*ck Joe Biden at November 09, 2021 01:24 PM (k4dH2)

523 "I rebel, but I fortunately live in a state where this silliness was already over anyway about the time I was pushing back."

Yeah I'm at the airport now. 99.99% wear masks everywhere. It's infuriating. Its worse now than it's ever been. What the fuck is wrong with people.

Posted by: MikeN at November 09, 2021 01:24 PM (aSpYI)

524 becoming more virulent with each mutation, and spread their diseased Codes to the other Viruses who look like people.

Dang, ace, shoulda added *mic drop* at the end!
This is so true.
==
To be honest, I'm a little uncomfortable comparing people to viruses. Not that i don't understand the sentiment. I'd still like to think of my enemy as human. A broken, deranged, demonically inspired human. I guess I never really took to scientism.

Posted by: I've never seen a virus but i have faith that they exist at November 09, 2021 01:26 PM (cO3rm)

525 Ace, you've vividly described the phenomenon of people who have no moorings.

Posted by: Emmie at November 09, 2021 01:26 PM (6RgRK)

526 Also MAE, check with a gunsmith first, but I think you can rebarrel a Win 54 with a Win 70 barrel as the barrel threads are the same and I believe that the receiver depth is the same. I don't have my reference manuals where I am at or I would check.

Frank DeHaas, in his bolt action rifle book, has the barrel specs of the bolt action rifles in his book including threads at the back which is an excellent reference on barrels for bolt action rifles.

Posted by: whig at November 09, 2021 01:27 PM (9hXN1)

527 But its still terrible. That's patently and obviously not what happened, as the video plainly shows.

Andrew Branca covered the whole "provocation" issue at length at Legal Insurrection. Basically, "provocation" has to be supported by actual facts, not just what someone thinks. Attacking someone with good (in your mind) motives doesn't negate his right to self-defense.

Posted by: Oddbob at November 09, 2021 01:28 PM (nfrXX)

528 I agree about not wearing a mask.
However, it's easier for some of us than others to rebel."
**
Talking about US. I fly all over. I never wear a mask until asked then simple put one on until out of that zone or off the plane. Why people simply wont push back his is mind boggling particularly "conservatives". Shameful.

Posted by: MikeN at November 09, 2021 01:29 PM (aSpYI)

529 The store I used to shop at had people ticketed for trespassing when they tried to shop without a mask. It's easy to say you should just ignore it but there are some nutcases out there.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at November 09, 2021 01:31 PM (5HBd1)

530 Sears (JC Higgins) also imported FN Mausers that are good deals if you like them during the 50's in 270 Win and 30-06.
Posted by: whig at November 09, 2021 01:22 PM (9hXN1)
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Had I not gone canoeing with it that one time, I would have an example of one of these in .270win that is dead-nuts accurate and is a priceless family heirloom.

Posted by: ballistic at November 09, 2021 01:31 PM (oXNqT)

531 Are you trolling? You have no goddam idea what "most of us" do. PIss off.
**
No I'm not trolling. Simple math and a lot of air travel .

Posted by: MikeN at November 09, 2021 01:34 PM (aSpYI)

532 412 Xipe, glad that you have a tight Krag--they especially like long heavy lead bullets about 220 gr. That also should lighten pressures. If you don't cast bullets, there are several sources online that do including the Lyman mould 220 gr. bullet for the Krag or Springfield 03.

Try Grafs and Sons for brass and even loaded ammo if you need it. Also the Krag Collector's Forum is another place to scrounge. You can convert British .303 brass but that is a pain.

Remington, before bankruptcy, used to do special runs of Krag hunting ammo with their 180 gr CoreLokt, during hunting season.

Posted by: whig at November 09, 2021 01:34 PM (9hXN1)

533 Whig,
My personal rifle is a DeHaas Vault Lock #2. Which I built from scratch, save for a barrel blank.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at November 09, 2021 01:35 PM (o2MD2)

534 530 ballistic, FN knew how to make Mausers and actually Weatherby started out using FN Mauser receivers for his initial run of rifles before switching sources.

Posted by: whig at November 09, 2021 01:36 PM (9hXN1)

535 Whig

Yes. Bought brass from Grafs, among other stuff. Good supplier.

I am leery of .303 converted brass, as it is not really long enough.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at November 09, 2021 01:37 PM (o2MD2)

536 I remember back in the Before Times when every flu season someone would wonder if we should wear masks like they did in Japan, and the Smart People assured us that it was not effective.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (ahosz) at November 09, 2021 12:13 PM

Anthony Fauci himself stated in February 2020 that masks do not work to prevent the spread of viruses and specifically stated that about SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19. Within a month, he completely flip-flopped. Within 6 months after that, he was recommending double-masking.

Fauci even published a paper a few years ago of his study of mask-wearing during the 1918 flu, where he found that more people died of bacterial pneumonia - presumably from buildup of bacteria on masks and spreading that way - than died of actual flu.

These evil assholes have been lying to us from the beginning.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at November 09, 2021 01:39 PM (Do5/p)

537 China is the largest textile producing and exporting country in the world. We can't be mean so we really should keep sewing and using masks.

--------
Re: High Carbon Dioxide readings. One time in work (years ago), we (the employees) decided to do sampling in a large "bullpen" area of an open, one story ventilated office to see what readings might be. (There were three people working in the bullpen, each with a desktop computer and adjacent printer.)

The readings were unbelievably high; I believe exceeding OSHA's STEL for carbon dioxide. We figured the printers' toner cartridges might be the reason but managers caught on to our unproductive work time and ordered us to promptly stop sampling and to not pursue it in the workplace in the future, either.

We found the toner

Posted by: Lola at November 09, 2021 01:40 PM (VQp1G)

538 Why do you think the left reveres Stalin/Mao but not Hitler? Because Hitler didn't get away with it. Does their Fauci worship make sense now?

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at November 09, 2021 01:12 PM

Margaret Sanger revered Hitler's view of eugenics. She then created an industry of it in the USA (Planned Parenthood). Abortion is the religion of the Left and Planned Parenthoods are their churches. The left reveres Margaret Sanger. By extension, they revere Hitler as well.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at November 09, 2021 01:43 PM (Do5/p)

539 Xipe,
Nice. Glad that someone is still making firearms from scratch.

I don't hunt so my restoration of old military rifles including from bare receivers was a hobby that I pursued while laid up for about 10 years or so. Too expensive to do that now. Got back to the early black powder Mausers, Trapdoors, and some other foreign rifles before calling it quits.

To do so safely required doing quite a bit of research including old archival materials and spending a lot of time on Gunboards, etc. Had everything doublechecked with a family of gunsmiths familiar with old war rifles just for peace of mind.

Posted by: whig at November 09, 2021 01:43 PM (9hXN1)

540 Most of that is plea agreements. The Gov't loads up a case with all the possible charges, leading to ridiculously long prison terms if you are convicted of them all, the offers the defendant an "out" by pleading guilty and seving a much shorter sentence.

No, that 90% conviction rate is for cases that actually go to trial.

Next time you get a traffic ticket for something you didn't do, fight it in court without a lawyer, so that you will be truly exposed 100% to the "justice system" without the filter of a lawyer. Before the case, when the prosecutor is trying to get you to plead guilty, tell him "There is something wrong here." You will learn all about the reality of the legal system.

By the way when I did that, I got an objection sustained by the judge against the prosecutor, who turned purple with embarrassment when it happened. The judge was delighted to sustain it. After the trial the bailiff came up to me and said "Wow. You got an objection sustained. Good job." I still lost, but I really learned a lot about the legal system.

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at November 09, 2021 01:45 PM (0B/5D)

541 535, .303 brass is ok if you are using the Lyman 220 gr cast, not so much if you are using jacketed bullets. There is a rare .22 LR Krag training rifle conversion made by no less than legendary Harry Pope for the US military.

Had a chance at one of his Krag .22 LR barrels for them once at auction but let it go as I had too many projects at the time.

Posted by: whig at November 09, 2021 01:47 PM (9hXN1)

542 Whig. I've built only one rifle from scratch. The rest have been been built with a factory rifle base. Including a mannlicher stocked M-44 Mosin. That is how I learned not to order a laminated stock if I plan to checker. Checkering a laminated stock is a bitch.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at November 09, 2021 01:49 PM (o2MD2)

543 RE: Karine Jean-Pierre(Whitehouse spox)
Her prior Job was National Political Director and Spoke-person for "Move On dot org"
Her husband/Wife is CNN's Susanne Malveaux

Posted by: tj strong at November 09, 2021 02:59 PM (uAI4S)

544 Ladies, I, too, reproduce sloppily.

Posted by: Shark Lasers at November 09, 2021 03:01 PM (PKiRn)

545 Dr. Drew Pinski on Dave Rubin referenced a Danish study everyone was hot after until it stated efficency at 15-20% at best.

Stanford university publised a study warning that prolonged mask wearing had serious health risks.

And what possible good is wearing a deicce that makes me breathe in my own wastes.

Posted by: JIMMY glover at November 09, 2021 03:34 PM (ZwZoQ)

546 # 191
The ARC Of History!
" there was almost no flu season last winter, which shows that permanent mask mandates are a wonderful thing. "
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Well, ... note that the "covid test" is being retired at the end of December BECAUSE IT COULDN'T DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN INFLUENZA AND COVID!!!! THAT is where your flu season went last year. False Positives for covid when the
patient actually had some flu virus. Pity the poor soul who believes he now has Natural Immunity to Covid (but doesn't); and also watch the CDC/NIH twits braying that "Natural Immunity doesn't work for Covid, which is why our safe-and-well-tested (non-) Vaxx is what you need !!"

With the intentional fuckery and the inevitable big-government-cluster-fuckery, (then toss in the rushed pseudo-vaccines whose manufacturers are
totally indemnified) ... well, let's just say that the next thirty years --as we discover just what the mRNA shots *really* did to the poor sots who rushed to become guinea pigs-- will go down in history as "Interesting Times" on stilts.
The Medical-Pharma conglomeration may not survive. Which would be a GOOD thing.

Posted by: Doo-Dah, Doo-Dah at November 09, 2021 04:36 PM (yWh0O)

547 Why don,t Ding-Bat think with her Brain instead of her Mouth

Posted by: Tamaa the Drongo Bird at November 09, 2021 06:19 PM (wGqjj)

548 I usually do not drop many comments, however i did some searching and wound up here CDC Head Rachel Walensky: Hey, I've Got a Great Idea. Now That the Covid Pandemic Is Diminishing, Why Don't We Wear Masks Forever to Reduce Infection By the Flu and Even the Common Cold?. And I do have a couple of questions for you if you usually do not mind. Could it be simply me or does it look like a few of the remarks appear like they are written by brain dead people? :-P And, if you are posting on additional places, I'd like to follow everything fresh you have to post. Could you make a list of all of your shared pages like your linkedin profile, Facebook page or twitter feed?

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