Update from the Rittenhouse Show Trial

Below, the antifa guy whose name is Gaige Grosskruetz. Grosskreutz is/was an antifa medic, I think, who was also carrying a concealed gun.

Note that in a previous day's testimony, this terrible, inept prosecutor elicited testimony from his own witness that later, when he collected Grosskruetz' gun from the street, he had to clear a bullet from the chamber -- thus establishing that the gun had a bullet in the chamber and was quite ready to fire.

Grosskreutz drew out this gun and aimed it at Rittenhouse's head. He did this as his antifa confederate was swinging a large skateboard at Rittenhouse's head, and getting shot for that.

In response to Huber pointing a gun at his head, Rittenhouse aimed and fired at him. He hit Huber in the arm. It was a devastating injury -- it ripped off 90% of the muscle of his bicep.

But Grosskreutz's testimony here is even more devastating for the prosecuting.

Rittenhouse trial should be over immediately. pic.twitter.com/PHZnHS5rD9
— Viva Frei (@thevivafrei) November 8, 2021

Nick Rickieta is shouting "directed verdict." That's where a the defense motions that no reasonable jury could find against the defendant on the facts as presented. If the judge agrees, he issues a directed verdict which says that the trial is over, they don't have to go any further, and that he will write the jury's verdict himself, and that verdict is "Not guilty."

Judges really don't like doing this because of the costs of having to re-try a case if they get reversed. If they are found to have issued a D.V. in error, it's a mistrial, and a new case is mounted, with all that expense, and with many witnesses no longer available, and some evidence no longer existent. (Who knows what video the FBI might destroy next.)

A judge might reserve the right to issue a directed verdict after the jury has ruled, giving them the chance to "get it right" first before he steps in and issues his own verdict.

That said, at some point: The directed verdict exists for a reason.

This is that reason.

There's another reason to consider it. Although I don't know if judges can consider this sort of a reason.

But the nephew of drug addict, career criminal, and pervert George Floyd is threatening to dox -- reveal the names and addresses of -- the jurors if they don't vote "guilty."

This, of course, is intended to allow his antifa/BLM friends to kill those jurors.

George Floyd’s nephew, Cortez Rice, makes a claim that he knows people taking photos of jurors during the Kyle Rittenhouse trial in Kenosha, Wisconsin. His goal is to dox jurors if they do not convict. pic.twitter.com/uwLuV2ftfV
— John Curtis (@Johnmcurtis) November 7, 2021

I think that is the only way the prosecution gets its scalp: if the jurors understand that BLM will murder them and burn down their homes unless they convict an innocent man.

End it.

End it now.

Corrected: Commenters inform me that Huber is one of the dead antifa, and that this "disarmed" fellow is Grosskreutz. Thanks guys!

Update: Cortez King, George Floyd's nephew, is also literally stalking a judge for a decision against BLM he didn't like.

Thanks to Dworkin Barimen.

Corrected: I stated that medics in an army were required to be unarmed. Commenters tell me that that's just not true. They're armed.

Huh.

Posted by: Ace at 02:16 PM

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1 sponge

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the 30s with John Ford, again at November 08, 2021 02:17 PM (LvTSG)

2 Rosekrautiz(sp?)

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 08, 2021 02:17 PM (csEWM)

3 Huber is dead.
The "disarmed" guy is testifying.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at November 08, 2021 02:18 PM (jTmQV)

4 And the kid should sue like Sandman. Make it hurt.

Posted by: IC - #FJB at November 08, 2021 02:18 PM (hV9ir)

5 Grosskreutz

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 08, 2021 02:18 PM (csEWM)

6 Kyle shot 3, 1 lived, and he is the guy who calls himself a medic. A medic who carries a pistol. And is now minus a bicep.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at November 08, 2021 02:19 PM (jTmQV)

7 That's not Kyle with his head in his hand. Dude doesn't have a lot of hair. And he's fat. Kyle is thinner and dark haired.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 08, 2021 02:19 PM (OCTRt)

8 It's almost like letting literal Marxists gain control of the culture was a bad idea.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the 30s with John Ford, again at November 08, 2021 02:19 PM (LvTSG)

9 Sorry, all the names are jumbling together into ethnic mishmash.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 08, 2021 02:19 PM (csEWM)

10 Huber is the good one

Posted by: steevy at November 08, 2021 02:19 PM (CYnTg)

11 How does this not constitute a threat and result in criminal charges for, at a minimum, obstruction of justice?

Posted by: pep at November 08, 2021 02:19 PM (ZsR3z)

12 The prosecutor's case disappeared faster than that commie's bicep.

Posted by: Flyguy at November 08, 2021 02:19 PM (3sOO0)

13 The problem with a jury of your peers is that most of your peers are idiots.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 08, 2021 02:19 PM (KZzsI)

14 It's the one armed bandit that is testifying. Huber, he dead.

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at November 08, 2021 02:19 PM (M+Lyo)

15 The judge want no part of the decision making process in this. It'll go to the jury who fully understands their lives are at risk. They'll give up Rittenhouse so they can live in (relative) peace.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 08, 2021 02:19 PM (BFigT)

16 Why would BLM care about a few lily white Antifa scum meeting their end?

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker at November 08, 2021 02:20 PM (cSyAR)

17 I think that is the only way the prosecution gets its scalp: if the jurors understand that BLM will murder them and burn down their homes unless they convict an innocent man.
End it.
End it now.
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Only if the judge has balls. Big ones. There's no way Rittenhouse gets acquitted, but the odds are good that he's not convicted. If I had to lay a wager right now, it would be on "hung jury." I suspect that if a directed verdict happens, it will be after the jury hangs and not before they return an answer. If they do return an answer, that answer will stand.

Just my guess.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 08, 2021 02:20 PM (DU+/6)

18 The jurors will fulfill their oath and do what is right.

Posted by: Chief Justice John Roberts at November 08, 2021 02:20 PM (zPHra)

19 The persecution tried to portray Huber as this hero coming to save the day from an 'active shooter.'

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 08, 2021 02:20 PM (B8kNI)

20 How does this not constitute a threat and result in criminal charges for, at a minimum, obstruction of justice?

Its jury intimidation which is, in fact, illegal in all 50 states. But black man so probably gets a pass.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 08, 2021 02:20 PM (KZzsI)

21 The George Floyd Foundation has millions of dollars in the bank. I wonder what kind of car his nephew, Cortez Rice, is driving.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at November 08, 2021 02:20 PM (EU//e)

22 Kyle Rittenhouse is a freaking stud, and deserves a medal.

Posted by: Hawkpilot at November 08, 2021 02:20 PM (SK+VG)

23 What you see on the video is exactly what happened. How strange.

Posted by: huerfano at November 08, 2021 02:20 PM (MzKgG)

24 16 Why would BLM care about a few lily white Antifa scum meeting their end?
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker at November 08, 2021 02:20 PM (cSyAR)

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Because BLM is more interested in advancing Marxism through any means necessary than the welfare of black people in America.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the 30s with John Ford, again at November 08, 2021 02:21 PM (LvTSG)

25 I think that is the only way the prosecution gets its scalp: if the jurors understand that BLM will murder them and burn down their homes unless they convict an innocent man.

Put me in coach.
Yeah. Come after me. It won't end like you think.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 08, 2021 02:21 PM (OCTRt)

26 Prosecutor Littlefinger is having a very bad day. Lefty lied his rear end off on the stand.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Gringo fuertemente armado - Tempus belli) at November 08, 2021 02:21 PM (N3El/)

27 Kyle shot 3, 1 lived, and he is the guy who calls himself a medic. A medic who carries a pistol. And is now minus a bicep.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at November 08, 2021 02:19 PM (jTmQV)

Grosskreutz was disarmed by Rittenhouse. The Kenosha hat trick

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at November 08, 2021 02:21 PM (CjHGv)

28 domestic terrorism.

To be honest, I'd not be surprised if, no matter what happens, by next summer they a fitting rando white people for mandela necklaces in that miserable city.

Posted by: lotta used tires available at November 08, 2021 02:21 PM (YTzT9)

29 Who taught the ADA how to behave in a courtroom? I'm not a lawyer and I've never been on trial, but even I know that face-palming while your own witness testifies isn't exactly a great thing for a jury to see.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 08, 2021 02:21 PM (DU+/6)

30 Huber is mort, lefty's name is Grosskreutz (sp?)

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at November 08, 2021 02:21 PM (0B/5D)

31 Rittenhouse never should have even been charged. Yet here we are.

Posted by: steevy at November 08, 2021 02:21 PM (CYnTg)

32 Cortez? great name

Posted by: It's me donna at November 08, 2021 02:21 PM (0PUU9)

33 >>>Below, the antifa guy whose name, I think, is Huber. Huber is/was an antifa medic, I think, who was also carrying a concealed weapon.

Gregg Grosskreutz...he without the bicep.

Posted by: Tami at November 08, 2021 02:21 PM (cF8AT)

34 Lefty lied his rear end off on the stand.
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Gringo fuertemente armado - Tempus belli) at November 08, 2021 02:21 PM (N3El/)
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Yes. Very obviously.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 08, 2021 02:21 PM (SBfb1)

35 I'm not a lawyer or anything, but when the prosecution facepalms at what their star witness says on the stand, that ain't good, is it?

Posted by: SMH - The War has been won, only the battles remain, as usual at November 08, 2021 02:21 PM (/Sj+M)

36 I agree that this should lead to a directed verdict concerning the case with Grosskreutz as the victim, but it has no real effect on the other charges.
It's good news for the defense, but the homicide charges won't be affected by it.

Posted by: Wally at November 08, 2021 02:21 PM (FJYfm)

37 Below, the antifa guy whose name, I think, is Huber. Huber is/was an antifa medic, I think, who was also carrying a concealed weapon.

Gregg Grosskreutz...he without the bicep.
Posted by: Tami at November 08, 2021 02:21 PM (cF8AT)
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Call him "Lefty."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 08, 2021 02:22 PM (SBfb1)

38 Kyle Rittenhouse is a freaking stud, and deserves a medal.

If I were an army or marine recruiter, I'd be at his door daily with donuts and sweet promises.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 08, 2021 02:22 PM (KZzsI)

39 Huber was the skateboard swinger.

Posted by: huerfano at November 08, 2021 02:22 PM (MzKgG)

40 Huber was the dead skateboard guy.

This trial has been a farce from the very beginning. It was blatantly obvious that this was self defense all along.

Posted by: radar at November 08, 2021 02:22 PM (aCYZU)

41 Oh shit! We're gonna lose this case!!! Wait, let's get a mistrial, destroy the evidence and then recharge!!

Posted by: DA at November 08, 2021 02:22 PM (7bRMQ)

42 Be a shame if Cortez Rice is found in a back alley dumpster with Jesse Smollete's foot-long stuffed in him.

A real shame. Not.

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 08, 2021 02:22 PM (B8kNI)

43 but when the prosecution facepalms at what their star witness says on the stand, that ain't good, is it?

He's so far slumped down in his chair his suit is about over his head

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 08, 2021 02:22 PM (KZzsI)

44 Huber seems fat. Thus he is guilty.

Posted by: Puddin Head at November 08, 2021 02:22 PM (ifUkZ)

45 Because BLM is more interested in advancing Marxism through any means necessary than the welfare of black people in America.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the 30s with John Ford, again at November 08, 2021 02:21 PM (LvTSG)

What you said

Posted by: It's me donna at November 08, 2021 02:23 PM (0PUU9)

46 Andrei Vishinsky would be proud.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 08, 2021 02:23 PM (SBfb1)

47 I see that "good looks" run in the Floyd bloodline.

/s (as if that was necessary)

Posted by: Joe Mama at November 08, 2021 02:23 PM (WmGrA)

48 If I were an army or marine recruiter, I'd be at his door daily with donuts and sweet promises.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 08, 2021 02:22 PM (KZzsI)
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Not in today's Army and Marine Corps, you wouldn't. He's the enemy. He is one of those "white ragers" they want nothing to do with. No, in today's armed forces, you'd be at the Antifa guy's house.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 08, 2021 02:23 PM (DU+/6)

49 Rosenbaum was the pedophile crazy bastard, right?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 08, 2021 02:23 PM (csEWM)

50 Problem with peers in Marxist utopia is their all Marxist

Posted by: Skip's Phone at November 08, 2021 02:23 PM (mcZm7)

51 I'm 99% sure that even if a direct not guilty verdict is reversed on appeal, there will be no new trial because jeopardy has attached.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 08, 2021 02:23 PM (d9FiS)

52 Only if the judge has balls. Big ones. There's no way Rittenhouse gets acquitted, but the odds are good that he's not convicted. If I had to lay a wager right now, it would be on "hung jury." I suspect that if a directed verdict happens, it will be after the jury hangs and not before they return an answer. If they do return an answer, that answer will stand.

Just my guess.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 08, 2021 02:20 PM (DU+/6)

My prediction? Trial goes on, he is found not guilty of the murder charges... found guilty on the misdemeanor underage having a gun charge... can't see how they try to convict on the 'not following a curfew order' when they are neither charging others, AND the Fact he was working with the Police on the scene.

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 08, 2021 02:23 PM (oHd/0)

53 And why the f*ck isn't Cortez Rice in jail right now?

Posted by: Jordan61 at November 08, 2021 02:23 PM (jm4rC)

54 I see that "good looks" run in the Floyd bloodline.

Brains, too.

Posted by: pep at November 08, 2021 02:23 PM (ZsR3z)

55 If I were an army or marine recruiter, I'd be at his door daily with donuts and sweet promises.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
___

And if I was Kyle, I'd say, "No thanks, I'm not gay or transgendered."

Posted by: SMH - The War has been won, only the battles remain, as usual at November 08, 2021 02:24 PM (/Sj+M)

56 Yeah Grosskreutz is Mr. No Left Bicep.

The irony is the meaning of his last name, Large Cross.

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 08, 2021 02:24 PM (B8kNI)

57 No, in today's armed forces, you'd be at the Antifa guy's house.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 08, 2021 02:23 PM (DU+/6)

Or the prosecutor.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 08, 2021 02:24 PM (/EuRN)

58 48 Not in today's Army and Marine Corps, you wouldn't. He's the enemy. He is one of those "white ragers" they want nothing to do with. No, in today's armed forces, you'd be at the Antifa guy's house.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 08, 2021 02:23 PM (DU+/6)

=========

"You're an idiot who will believe anything and do anything ordered to do. Please join the army."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the 30s with John Ford, again at November 08, 2021 02:24 PM (LvTSG)

59 George Floyd's retarded nephew has made his ruling, judge. are you going to uphold it?

Posted by: x at November 08, 2021 02:24 PM (oA+QO)

60
No show trial without a Guilty verdict.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 08, 2021 02:24 PM (/U27+)

61 Huber will come!

(checks old news)

Nevermind!

Posted by: Joe Mama at November 08, 2021 02:24 PM (WmGrA)

62 Lol. They better get some better training if they're gonna go around threatening jurors. And I hope they like prison food.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 08, 2021 02:24 PM (wtmsr)

63 And why the f*ck isn't Cortez Rice in jail right now?
Posted by: Jordan61
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Because he's working for the feebs.

Posted by: SMH - The War has been won, only the battles remain, as usual at November 08, 2021 02:24 PM (/Sj+M)

64 Rosenbaum was the pedophile crazy bastard, right?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 08, 2021 02:23 PM (csEWM)
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Yep.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 08, 2021 02:24 PM (SBfb1)

65 thanks for the correction!!! Fixed!

Posted by: ace at November 08, 2021 02:24 PM (0G13K)

66 53 And why the f*ck isn't Cortez Rice in jail right now?
Posted by: Jordan61 at November 08, 2021 02:23 PM (jm4rC)

Melanin

Posted by: It's me donna at November 08, 2021 02:25 PM (0PUU9)

67 What assurances do we have that the judge isn't completely distracted by the penis pump he's concealing under the bench?

Posted by: Dr. Bone at November 08, 2021 02:25 PM (+xGNi)

68 If the judge directs a not guilty verdict the case is over. They cannot retry him because a retrial would be a double jeopardy violation. A decision to grant a directed verdict means that the Commonwealth did not prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt in its case in chief.

Posted by: Johnny B. at November 08, 2021 02:25 PM (bFC82)

69 Ooops...it's Gaige Grosskreutz. For some reason I kept reading it as Gregg.

Posted by: Tami at November 08, 2021 02:25 PM (cF8AT)

70 Somebody should print up some programs. I can't keep the players straight.

Posted by: Busted Can of Biscuits at November 08, 2021 02:25 PM (2cfUo)

71 Yeah Grosskreutz is Mr. No ~~Left~~ Right Bicep.

Hence my characterization of him as "Lefty."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 08, 2021 02:25 PM (SBfb1)

72 Huber admitted that SKateboard Dude inflicted Head Trauma to Rittenhouse, This dude is a nightmare for the Prosecution

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at November 08, 2021 02:26 PM (fM7DP)

73 >>>7 That's not Kyle with his head in his hand. Dude doesn't have a lot of hair. And he's fat. Kyle is thinner and dark haired.

no i think he's cocounsel with binger the lead prosecutor

Posted by: ace at November 08, 2021 02:26 PM (0G13K)

74 Gregg Grosskreutz...he without the bicep.
Posted by: Tami at November 08, 2021

***
"Big Dagger"? Sounds like a minor Bond henchman, like "Tee-Hee Johnson" or "The Robber": "Have Big Dagger and Tee-Hee tail the Limey. I want to know every move he makes."

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 08, 2021 02:26 PM (txdEq)

75 Kyle Rittenhouse, hang in there buddy!

Posted by: kallisto at November 08, 2021 02:26 PM (DJFLF)

76 It's the one armed bandit that is testifying. Huber, he dead.

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at November 08, 2021 02:19 PM (M+Lyo)

Hey! We only want your money, not your life!

Posted by: Las Vegas One Armed Bandits at November 08, 2021 02:26 PM (7bRMQ)

77 If the judge directs the verdict, he himself will have to go into a federal witness protection program.

If one ever wants to know what a Stalinist/Maoist/nazi culture revolution was like, you're observing it now.

Posted by: My name is Jose Jimanez at November 08, 2021 02:26 PM (Fs5vw)

78
Getcher hot Garland-flavored civil rights charges! Civil rights charges right here!

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 08, 2021 02:26 PM (/U27+)

79 still a couple of Hubers in there

Posted by: x at November 08, 2021 02:26 PM (oA+QO)

80 Any bets on whether or not any LE types pay a visit to Cortez "Action Jackson" Rice to see what's what?

Didn't think so.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 08, 2021 02:26 PM (BFigT)

81 Who taught the ADA how to behave in a courtroom? I'm not a lawyer and I've never been on trial, but even I know that face-palming while your own witness testifies isn't exactly a great thing for a jury to see.
==
Right. That said, I've had some very bad experiences in trial and it can be a very, very hard thing to control when you are shocked and kicked right in the teeth. Which is why I always assume the worst possible thing will happen, so when it does, I'm not surprised and I have a plan B ready to go. Trials can last weeks and something that feels terrible on on day, may a week later, not even matter.

Posted by: they better call Saul at November 08, 2021 02:26 PM (GYTOW)

82 Somebody should print up some programs. I can't keep the players straight.
Posted by: Busted Can of Biscuits at November 08, 2021 02:25 PM (2cfUo)
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Rosenbaum - KIA - crazy pedophile
Huber - KIA - skateboard dirtbag
Grosskreuz - aka "Lefty"

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 08, 2021 02:27 PM (SBfb1)

83 It's hard to imagine a case more deserving of a directed verdict. But the odds that this judge has the bollocks to enter one are very low. You think the judge wants Burn Loot Murder goons stalking him and his family?

Posted by: Elric Blade at November 08, 2021 02:27 PM (iFTx/)

84 with a name like Gaige, how could he be anything but pAntifa

Posted by: kallisto at November 08, 2021 02:27 PM (DJFLF)

85 The George Floyd Foundation has millions of dollars in the bank. I wonder what kind of car his nephew, Cortez Rice, is driving.
Posted by: Darrell Harris

F-350.

It's the only one with enough hauling capacity for all those gold chains he's wearing.

Posted by: Joe Mama at November 08, 2021 02:27 PM (WmGrA)

86 26 Prosecutor Littlefinger is having a very bad day. Lefty lied his rear end off on the stand.

Very good.

Posted by: ace at November 08, 2021 02:27 PM (0G13K)

87 Getcher hot Garland-flavored civil rights charges! Civil rights charges right here!
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 08, 2021 02:26 PM (/U27+)

Since none of the "victims" were Black... What Civil rights charges ?

Posted by: It's me donna at November 08, 2021 02:27 PM (0PUU9)

88 Is Grosskreutz German for "big dummy?"

Posted by: OrangeEnt at November 08, 2021 02:27 PM (7bRMQ)

89
Meanwhile in Michigan...

Tampons are now "tax free" because "menstruating persons" shouldn't be taxed for their biological functions.

Then why isn't Fucking Toilet Paper "tax free" too??

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at November 08, 2021 02:28 PM (sD1Jj)

90 The good news is Huber still has his left hand. He's gonna need to.

Posted by: Puddin Head at November 08, 2021 02:28 PM (ifUkZ)

91 Am I reading too many conspiracy stories if I think that closing out the free jury help might come back to bite the defense in this one?
I mean, they lost a juror to a bad joke. Joke that leads me to think it'd have been an acquit vote.

Posted by: PoopyPantsInogame at November 08, 2021 02:28 PM (53oGX)

92 Don't forget before any of this happened, Dead Rando #1, Rosenbaum, verbally threatened Kyle

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 08, 2021 02:28 PM (B8kNI)

93 OT:

There isn't a Moron here that wouldn't rip one at any G#whatever conference if they got a chance. Including the ette's.

Posted by: DaveA at November 08, 2021 02:28 PM (FhXTo)

94 So, where was Cortez Rice when he made that threat. If in another State, this becomes a Federal Matter, and with this DOJ? Nothing happens.

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 08, 2021 02:28 PM (oHd/0)

95 A high profile case like this with that judge is probably the last place you will see a directed verdict. No way he doesn't let this go to the jury.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 08, 2021 02:28 PM (wtmsr)

96

Okay,, enough with the one arm jokes! I'm feeling triggered...

Posted by: Michelle Fields at November 08, 2021 02:29 PM (K2SnJ)

97 Ace, you implied that we would destroy evidence favorable to a criminal defendant.

First, we would all resign from our beloved Agency if we ever found out that anything like that has ever happened.

Second, there's a reason that people are called "criminal defendants." It's because they're criminals. Haven't you ever heard of an adjective?

Third, we know where you live and we'll tell our friend Sean Hannity so that he can go there and kill you with his martial arts skills.

Posted by: The 99% of All FBI Agents Who Are So Fucking Honest That It Boggles The Mind at November 08, 2021 02:29 PM (9vQJW)

98 Maybe we should be hoping someone shuts up this Rice guy with prejudice.

Posted by: squid_hunt at November 08, 2021 02:29 PM (B0mGw)

99 One day Jesse James will come.

Posted by: Puddin Head at November 08, 2021 02:29 PM (ifUkZ)

100

Grosskreutz. Sounds like a Waffen SS division. Meh, in this case it's the moral equivalent.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 08, 2021 02:29 PM (s2VJv)

101 The good news is Huber still has his left hand. He's gonna need to.
Posted by: Puddin Head at November 08, 2021 02:28 PM (ifUkZ)
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Grosskreuz.

Huber is pushing up daisies.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 08, 2021 02:29 PM (SBfb1)

102 These people...always wrong; never in doubt...

@AyannaPressley

A 17 year old white supremacist domestic terrorist drove across state lines, armed with an AR 15.

He shot and killed 2 people who had assembled to affirm the value, dignity, and worth of Black lives.

Fix your damn headlines.
7:33 PM · Aug 26, 2020

Posted by: Tami at November 08, 2021 02:29 PM (cF8AT)

103 I'm afraid to look at the thread just below

Posted by: kallisto at November 08, 2021 02:29 PM (DJFLF)

104 Grosskreutz German for "big dummy?"
Posted by: OrangeEnt

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No, no. That's the prosecutor.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 08, 2021 02:30 PM (d9FiS)

105 94 So, where was Cortez Rice when he made that threat. If in another State, this becomes a Federal Matter, and with this DOJ? Nothing happens.
Posted by: Romeo13 at November 08, 2021 02:28 PM (oHd/0)

The FBI is worse than useless. It is an enemy entity.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 08, 2021 02:30 PM (s2VJv)

106 "A 17 year old white supremacist domestic terrorist drove across state lines, armed with an AR 15."

This seems like it would be libelous.

Posted by: squid_hunt at November 08, 2021 02:30 PM (B0mGw)

107 102 @AyannaPressley
A 17 year old white supremacist domestic terrorist drove across state lines, armed with an AR 15.
He shot and killed 2 people who had assembled to affirm the value, dignity, and worth of Black lives.
Fix your damn headlines.
7:33 PM Aug 26, 2020
Posted by: Tami at November 08, 2021 02:29 PM (cF8AT)

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Being an ideologue means never having to say you're sorry.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the 30s with John Ford, again at November 08, 2021 02:30 PM (LvTSG)

108 Meanwhile in Michigan...

Tampons are now "tax free" because "menstruating persons" shouldn't be taxed for their biological functions.

Then why isn't Fucking Toilet Paper "tax free" too??
Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at November 08, 2021 02:28 PM (sD1Jj)
+++++
RHEEEEE! PINK TAX!!!!!! RHEEEE!!!!

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 08, 2021 02:30 PM (DU+/6)

109 Grosskreutz = big cross?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 08, 2021 02:30 PM (KZzsI)

110 This judge has been a bit aggressive with the prosecution. I wouldn't put it past him to issue a directed verdict.

Such are rare but it seems appropriate here. But the prosecution's "case" (weak as it was) has fallen apart.

Posted by: Revenant at November 08, 2021 02:30 PM (ydlAE)

111 Grosskreutz was disarmed by Rittenhouse.
Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at November 08, 2021 02:21 PM

That's *my* line!

Posted by: Raylon Givens at November 08, 2021 02:30 PM (EughT)

112 ironically, Kreuz is german for "bicep"

Posted by: ace at November 08, 2021 02:30 PM (0G13K)

113 I think the Judge trusts the Jury in this one. A directed verdict can be overturned by a higher court, but it's almost impossible to change a jury finding of Not Guilty. Double Jeopardy applies.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 08, 2021 02:30 PM (trdmm)

114 BUT HE CROSSED STATE LINES!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- MSM

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at November 08, 2021 02:31 PM (OalnH)

115 95 A high profile case like this with that judge is probably the last place you will see a directed verdict. No way he doesn't let this go to the jury.
Posted by: Marcus T at November 08, 2021 02:28 PM (wtmsr)

I dunno, the judge has lost his shit a couple times with the prosecution already... maybe that was more the color of the commentary I read but it hasn't sounded like he has a ton of patience for bullshit.

Posted by: PoopyPantsInogame at November 08, 2021 02:31 PM (53oGX)

116 Grosskreuz.

Huber is pushing up daisies.
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Well named.

Posted by: Puddin Head at November 08, 2021 02:31 PM (ifUkZ)

117 108 RHEEEEE! PINK TAX!!!!!! RHEEEE!!!!
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 08, 2021 02:30 PM (DU+/6)

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I thought paying taxes was the patriotic thing to do.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the 30s with John Ford, again at November 08, 2021 02:31 PM (LvTSG)

118 A high profile case like this with that judge is probably the last place you will see a directed verdict. No way he doesn't let this go to the jury.
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Prolly true. Unless he is ready to retire and he has already sold his house and is ready to move to Fla.

Seriously. There's no way this guy wants live with the aftermath of directing a verdict. He's just glad Kyle wanted a Jury instead of a judge only trial. . .

Posted by: they better call Saul at November 08, 2021 02:31 PM (x+caK)

119
Is Grosskreutz German for "big dummy?"
Posted by: OrangeEnt

^

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at November 08, 2021 02:31 PM (sD1Jj)

120 This seems like it would be libelous.

Given that every single line of it is, as I understand, provably false yeah.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 08, 2021 02:31 PM (KZzsI)

121 114 BUT HE CROSSED STATE LINES!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- MSM
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So did AntiFa and BLM.

Posted by: Puddin Head at November 08, 2021 02:31 PM (ifUkZ)

122 What other witnesses are on the docket for the prosecution? Is this it?

Posted by: Marcus T at November 08, 2021 02:31 PM (wtmsr)

123 but it's almost impossible to change a jury finding of Not Guilty. Double Jeopardy applies.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 08, 2021 02:30 PM (trdmm)

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You say "almost" impossible. Is there a way that can happen at all?

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at November 08, 2021 02:32 PM (OalnH)

124 120 This seems like it would be libelous.

Given that every single line of it is, as I understand, provably false yeah.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 08, 2021 02:31 PM (KZzsI)

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"But he's a public figure!"

*shrugs innocently*
-SCOTUS

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the 30s with John Ford, again at November 08, 2021 02:32 PM (LvTSG)

125 106 "A 17 year old white supremacist domestic terrorist drove across state lines, armed with an AR 15."

This seems like it would be libelous.
Posted by: squid_hunt at November 08, 2021 02:30 PM (B0mGw)

As I stated on an earlier thread, if Rittenhouse somehow survives this insanity and is acquitted, Lin Wood should be retained to hurl BILLION dollar lawsuits and anyone and everyone who did this.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 08, 2021 02:32 PM (s2VJv)

126 Cortez Rice is also apparently involved in the literal stalking of a different judge for ruling in a way that BLM didn't like. Ironically, the same judge who gave him a slap-on-the-wrist sentence for a serious crime:

"Rice was convicted in 2017 on felon in possess'n of a firearm. The "mandatory" 60-mos sentence was stayed in a dispositional departure."

https://twitter.com/CrimeWatchMpls/status/
1457566943544754176

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at November 08, 2021 02:32 PM (cSs/W)

127 Mein Fuhrer, Huber ist kaput.

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at November 08, 2021 02:32 PM (UHVv4)

128 "It wasn't until you pointed your gun at him, advanced on him, with your gun in your hands pointed at him that he fired? that he fired???" "YES." (BIG MOMENT FOR KYLE CASE)

Posted by: SMOD at November 08, 2021 02:32 PM (RHGPo)

129 think that is the only way the prosecution gets its scalp: if the jurors understand that BLM will murder them and burn down their homes unless they convict an innocent man.

End it.

End it now.

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That way they'll only murder the judge and his family ... and likely get away with it.

Posted by: ShainS -- Let's Poop Brandon! at November 08, 2021 02:32 PM (xv+Ao)

130 When will Cortez Rice face charges?

LOL. I kid. I kid. That will never happen.

Posted by: reason at November 08, 2021 02:32 PM (o0WIV)

131 If I'm on the Defense at this point, I don't want a directed verdict. I want a jury finding of Not Guilty.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 08, 2021 02:32 PM (trdmm)

132 123 but it's almost impossible to change a jury finding of Not Guilty. Double Jeopardy applies.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 08, 2021 02:30 PM (trdmm)

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You say "almost" impossible. Is there a way that can happen at all?
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at November 08, 2021 02:32 PM (OalnH)

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The application of mob justice?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the 30s with John Ford, again at November 08, 2021 02:32 PM (LvTSG)

133 Taylor, ja

Ein Grosskreutz Division of the Waffen SS

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 08, 2021 02:32 PM (B8kNI)

134 My view of why all these prosecution witnesses -- basically all antifa-BLM goons -- are supporting the DEFENSE with their testimony is that they are less interested in convicting Kyle R and more interested in trying to come across as fearless badasses fighting armed nazis in the streets

Posted by: Elric Blade at November 08, 2021 02:32 PM (iFTx/)

135 BUT HE CROSSED STATE LINES!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- MSM
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So did AntiFa and BLM.
Posted by: Puddin Head

And didn't Kyle get the AR from a friend in Wisconsin?

Posted by: rickb223 at November 08, 2021 02:32 PM (OCTRt)

136 Judges really don't like doing this because of the costs of having to re-try a case if they get reversed. If they are found to have issued a D.V. in error, it's a mistrial, and a new case is mounted, with all that expense, and with many witnesses no longer available, and some evidence no longer existent. (Who knows what video the FBI might destroy next.)

But do judges think a wrongly decided case has no costs?

Posted by: blaster at November 08, 2021 02:32 PM (mbFEM)

137 The prosecution should withdraw their case, but they never should have gone to trial to begin with so...

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 08, 2021 02:32 PM (KZzsI)

138 Grosskreutz. Sounds like a Waffen SS division. Meh, in this case it's the moral equivalent.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton

Pantifa are the technicolor brownshirts.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 08, 2021 02:32 PM (1t5dY)

139 I dunno, the judge has lost his shit a couple times with the prosecution already... maybe that was more the color of the commentary I read but it hasn't sounded like he has a ton of patience for bullshit.
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Short of directing a verdict. They can sh!+ on the prosecution and let the jury know what they think of the states case. That's the passive aggressive approach that most judges will take. It salves their conscience, but still gives them the cover of saying afterwards, the jury decided it, not me.

Posted by: they better call Saul at November 08, 2021 02:33 PM (4Vk6x)

140 131 If I'm on the Defense at this point, I don't want a directed verdict. I want a jury finding of Not Guilty.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 08, 2021 02:32 PM (trdmm)

True.. Unless the jury is from the OJ trial

Posted by: It's me donna at November 08, 2021 02:33 PM (0PUU9)

141 You say "almost" impossible. Is there a way that can happen at all?
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at November 08, 2021 02:32 PM (OalnH)
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Isn't that the case when the feds come up for a second bite of the apple with a "civil rights" prosecution?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 08, 2021 02:33 PM (SBfb1)

142 16 Why would BLM care about a few lily white Antifa scum meeting their end?
_____________

Because Rittenhouse is being painted as a "raaaaaacist, white nationalist, militia" type, who was at the Kenosha riots (which were to protest the shooting of black criminal Blake, the guy whose GF/baby mama called the cops on him, he ran around threatening the cops with a knife, ignoring their commands to stop, then tried to get into a car full of kids when a cop standing about a foot away from him shot him in the back -- the only side available to the cop).

Rittenhouse was on the "wrong" side of the Kenosha riots, and the dead white antifa thugs were on the "right" side (i.e., the BLM and antifa side).

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--F*ck Joe Biden at November 08, 2021 02:33 PM (k4dH2)

143 Is Grosskreutz German for "big dummy?"
Posted by: OrangeEnt

I thought is was Lamont

Posted by: Busted Can of Biscuits at November 08, 2021 02:33 PM (2cfUo)

144 But do judges think a wrongly decided case has no costs?

Well, not in dollars to the state, no.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 08, 2021 02:33 PM (KZzsI)

145

LoPecia Pressley's remarks are like blaming the Jews for the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 08, 2021 02:34 PM (s2VJv)

146 Dramatis personae:

1. Kyle Rittenhouse: Hero, Victim of State Persecution, Future Navy Seal;

2. Joseph Rosenbaum: Foul-Mouthed Convicted Child-Rapist, First Garbage Taken Out By Rittenhouse;

3. Anthony Huber: Psychopath, Domestic Violence Perpetrator, Second Garbage Taken Out By Rittenhouse;

4. Gauge Grosskreutz: Twink, Attempted Murderer, Left-Handed Fapist.

Please consult your Event Programs.

Posted by: Sharkman at November 08, 2021 02:34 PM (jG9Nj)

147
But do judges think a wrongly decided case has no costs?
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You have to understand that part of the costs he is calculating are the costs to himself. Which are real, immediate and painful. Those other costs are notional to him.

Posted by: they better call Saul at November 08, 2021 02:34 PM (56gM4)

148 Big Cross sounds like a place in Montana.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 08, 2021 02:34 PM (KZzsI)

149 Is the jury sequestered?

Posted by: Marcus T at November 08, 2021 02:34 PM (wtmsr)

150
Oh dear.

I just "crossed state lines" everybody...to shop at Costco.

"Crossing state lines" sound so nefarious, you guys.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at November 08, 2021 02:34 PM (sD1Jj)

151 If I'm on the Defense at this point, I don't want a directed verdict. I want a jury finding of Not Guilty.

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As much as I understand this position and as much merit as there is, it seems to me that the Defense must move for a directed verdict now. Take the not guilty whenever you can get it. While a jury not guilty may be better in the long run, there is no guarantee that the jury will get it right. I would propose as directed verdict post a jury guilty verdict would be worse. In addition, there may be preservation of error reasons for appeal that you may want to move from now. A defense attorney may have insight on this.

Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at November 08, 2021 02:34 PM (sX1BW)

152 >>I think that is the only way the prosecution gets its scalp: if the jurors understand that BLM will murder them and burn down their homes unless they convict an innocent man.

Yes.
They ideally want to convict, but if not, they want it murky enough that they can claim "if not for [lame excuse] Rittenhouse would be confirmed a murderer."

Posted by: Lizzy at November 08, 2021 02:34 PM (bDqIh)

153 Just to keep the nametags clear, Rosenbaum was the crazy pedo who was off his meds who was the first one shot.

Huber was skateboard dude, 2nd one down

Grozzkruetz was the antifa dude with the gun who got his biceps blown off.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 08, 2021 02:34 PM (trdmm)

154 But do judges think a wrongly decided case has no costs?
Posted by: blaster at November 08, 2021 02:32 PM (mbFEM)
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They don't. No costs to them, no costs to the prosecution (who get another conviction), etc. The costs are more ephemeral, and therefore they don't exist.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 08, 2021 02:34 PM (DU+/6)

155 131 If I'm on the Defense at this point, I don't want a directed verdict. I want a jury finding of Not Guilty.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 08, 2021 02:32 PM (trdmm)

Given the jury, if not rigged, are for sure being intimidated to say the least, I'm not so sure.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 08, 2021 02:34 PM (s2VJv)

156 That's fun having legal blogtypes chiming in on remote.

Posted by: m at November 08, 2021 02:34 PM (cME97)

157 I was at the courthouse at 9 am. Only about half a dozen people were out front. Most looked like media. There was a cameraman at the back of the courthouse as well.

Posted by: grammie winger at November 08, 2021 02:34 PM (45fpk)

158 "As I stated on an earlier thread, if Rittenhouse somehow survives this insanity and is acquitted, Lin Wood should be retained to hurl BILLION dollar lawsuits and anyone and everyone who did this."

But, your honor, he was smirking!

Posted by: squid_hunt at November 08, 2021 02:35 PM (B0mGw)

159 Rittenhouse is actually a pretty good shot if he found muscle to obliterate on an antifa pussy

Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at November 08, 2021 02:35 PM (flINI)

160 "The prosecution should withdraw their case, but they never should have gone to trial to begin with so..."

The Mostly Peaceful BLM and Merrick Garland have their home addresses too.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at November 08, 2021 02:36 PM (tiR3O)

161 If I'm on the Defense at this point, I don't want a directed verdict. I want a jury finding of Not Guilty.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 08, 2021 02:32 PM (trdmm)
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Every defendant wants that. But then you have to weigh the risk of, say, jury intimidation, a jurors who feel that some punishment for Kyle is merited because he shouldn't have been there in the first place, etc.

Jurors can be irrational. They don't have to follow the case or arguments. They can be sleeping, drunk or high while the case is being evaluated (read Tanner v. U.S. 483 U.S. 107 (1987)).

Posted by: Revenant at November 08, 2021 02:36 PM (ydlAE)

162 There is more than one video out there of the antifa "medics" saying they are a medic and then smashing somebody over the head. One of their slimey tactics.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 08, 2021 02:36 PM (r5BVk)

163 That this has even gone to trial shows what leftists are trying to normalize.

Self defense is verboten!!

Posted by: Jak Sucio at November 08, 2021 02:36 PM (jvt6t)

164 The imbeciles in the msm, being uneducated about most things, in life think he drove like 900 miles to Kenosha..... ACROSS STATE LINES. The dullards don't know that Kenosha is a suburb of Chicago, as is the town where Kyle is from. But they're on opposite sides of the IL/WI border. Distance wise it would be like driving from Downtown LA to Burbank or from Manhattan to the Jersey suburbs.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at November 08, 2021 02:36 PM (OalnH)

165 I'm shocked, SHOCKED, that the criminal nephew of a dead criminal with drugs up his ass, would make criminal threats against people. But that's how they got the cop who was in the wrong place at the wrong time, while saint floyd OD'd on rectal fentynal. Hopefully a member of the defense sees this and brings it to the judges attention, though I'm guessing if they then went to arrest this scum bag he'd end up jamming an 8 ball up his keister too, causing more government sponsored looting.

As for Rittenhouse, the only thing he should be on trial for is for not always shooting center mass.

Posted by: Rbastid at November 08, 2021 02:36 PM (jJ1lT)

166 Ein Grosskreutz Division of the Waffen SS

Posted by: Anna Puma

You all are trying to tempt me into posting more vids of MG42s on full auto, aren't you?

Posted by: Sharkman at November 08, 2021 02:36 PM (jG9Nj)

167
Grosskreutz is German for "crossing state lines."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 08, 2021 02:37 PM (s2VJv)

168 or Portland OR to Vancouver WA

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at November 08, 2021 02:37 PM (5HBd1)

169 >>There is more than one video out there of the antifa "medics" saying they are a medic and then smashing somebody over the head. One of their slimey tactics.

The have also learned to write PRESS on their clothes so the cops will leave them alone.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 08, 2021 02:37 PM (ZLI7S)

170 Grosskreutz German for "being strong-armed."

Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 08, 2021 02:37 PM (BFigT)

171 Said in previous thread. the persecution is trying to paint Kyle as an 'active shooter' and all Huber and Krozzkreutz did was try and stop him.

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 08, 2021 02:37 PM (B8kNI)

172 I've been avoiding the stuff about the trial not that I think Rittenhouse did anything wrong, rather than opposite, but because I do not need that level of blood pressure spiking.

All of this is absolutely wild. And, yes, agreed, if this isn't a directed verdict, then nothing is.

Posted by: alexthechick - boobs and hysteria at November 08, 2021 02:37 PM (mf5HN)

173 As much as I understand this position and as much merit as there is, it seems to me that the Defense must move for a directed verdict now.
==
they will have to move for it at the close of the state's case to preserve the issue for appeal. Technically the state hasn't rested. Theoretically some other witness could testify they saw Kyle execute somebody. Not going to happen, but theoretically if the state's case is still open they could provide testimony to overcome a motion for acquittal.

Posted by: they better call Saul at November 08, 2021 02:37 PM (z/zA8)

174 Grosskreutz is/was an antifa medic.

Antifa medic???

Posted by: dantesed at November 08, 2021 02:38 PM (88xKn)

175 People forget that a judge can issue directed verdicts on some counts but let others go to the jury. We will have to wait and see when the Prosecution ends its case in chief.

Posted by: whig at November 08, 2021 02:38 PM (9hXN1)

176 169 The have also learned to write PRESS on their clothes so the cops will leave them alone.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 08, 2021 02:37 PM (ZLI7S)

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"I Wanna Kill some Normies" is too on the nose, I guess.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the 30s with John Ford, again at November 08, 2021 02:38 PM (LvTSG)

177 Grosskreutz is the one who should be on trial.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at November 08, 2021 02:38 PM (tiR3O)

178 134 My view of why all these prosecution witnesses -- basically all antifa-BLM goons -- are supporting the DEFENSE with their testimony is that they are less interested in convicting Kyle R and more interested in trying to come across as fearless badasses fighting armed nazis in the streets
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They have a pending civil lawsuit against Kenosha, in which they claim to be innocent victims and they also claim that the Kenosha cops wrongfully aligned themselves with the dangerous "white nationalist militia" types (of which they're trying to pretend Kyle Rittenhouse was one) on the night of the riots.

IOW, they have a financial incentive to lie in the criminal case against Rittenhouse.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--F*ck Joe Biden at November 08, 2021 02:38 PM (k4dH2)

179 Yeah I don't trust the jury on this. Irrespective of how the judge charges them, they will probably convict Kyle on some count. Then it's headed for appeal. People are cowards. They won't follow the law, they will follow their personal whims.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 08, 2021 02:38 PM (wtmsr)

180 159
Ok, I LOLed

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at November 08, 2021 02:38 PM (ufFY8)

181 But they're on opposite sides of the IL/WI border.

Exactly. He had a job here. But the biggest thing I hear is "He had the nerve to come to our town."

Posted by: grammie winger at November 08, 2021 02:38 PM (45fpk)

182 Grosskreutz is German for "crossing state lines."
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 08, 2021 02:37 PM (s2VJv)

Now you tell me......

Posted by: Zombie Jeffrey Epsyein - Who Didn't Kill Himself at November 08, 2021 02:38 PM (jvt6t)

183 found guilty on the misdemeanor underage having a gun charge...

In pretrial motions the judge indicated he was going to dismiss that charge for vagueness, because even the lawyers in the court room couldn't agree on what the statute actually says.

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at November 08, 2021 02:39 PM (0B/5D)

184 Kyle Rittenhouse is a freaking stud, and deserves a medal.

And a unit to command.

Posted by: Methos at November 08, 2021 02:39 PM (kOpft)

185 Antifa screaming "medic" you say?

Where have I heard that before? Oh right Paleostinians do it also. Even with ambulances full of terrorists.

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 08, 2021 02:39 PM (B8kNI)

186 >>>LoPecia Pressley

haha

Posted by: ace at November 08, 2021 02:39 PM (0G13K)

187 with a name like Gaige, how could he be anything but pAntifa
Posted by: kallisto at November 08, 2021 02:27 PM (DJFLF)

He ought to sue his parents for turning him gay, by giving him a fag name.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 08, 2021 02:39 PM (P3gRi)

188 Speaking of Fart Joe Biden, the trick is to fart in the vacuum canister at the bank so the guy behind you opens it in his car.

Just thinking like Hunter.

Posted by: Million to one shot, Doc. at November 08, 2021 02:39 PM (JUcCg)

189 149 Is the jury sequestered?
Posted by: Marcus T at November 08, 2021 02:34 PM (wtmsr)

"Hell no! They're Baptist!"

- - Response to a police officer by an Idiot of Color when asked if an unconscious man was epileptic (true story)

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 08, 2021 02:39 PM (s2VJv)

190 -
Yeah I don't trust the jury on this. Irrespective of how the judge charges them, they will probably convict Kyle on some count. Then it's headed for appeal. People are cowards. They won't follow the law, they will follow their personal whims.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 08, 2021 02:38 PM -
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This is the way I see it, as well.

Posted by: irright at November 08, 2021 02:40 PM (SchQD)

191 I really feel for the jury in this case, with those threats from Floyd's nephew. I hope they've got good protection for them.

Posted by: bluebell at November 08, 2021 02:40 PM (wyw4S)

192 A direct verdict would be exponentially better than another extorted verdict. Hop the judge weighs that out.

Posted by: Denny Crane! at November 08, 2021 02:40 PM (c15ym)

193 As much as I understand this position and as much merit as there is, it seems to me that the Defense must move for a directed verdict now.
___________

The state hasn't finished putting on its case yet. The defense can't move for DV until the state rests its case.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--F*ck Joe Biden at November 08, 2021 02:40 PM (k4dH2)

194 >> But the biggest thing I hear is "He had the nerve to come to our town."

Odd they don't think it's awful that the BLM/antifa mob had the nerve to come to their town.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 08, 2021 02:40 PM (ZLI7S)

195 186 >>>LoPecia Pressley

haha

I thought that was humorous too.. Anyone know why she is bald ?

Posted by: It's me donna at November 08, 2021 02:40 PM (0PUU9)

196 I agree that he will be found guilty of something, like under aged possession of a gun or some shit.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at November 08, 2021 02:41 PM (OalnH)

197 @eScarry

Grosskreutz just testified that he did not say what's in this post, as relayed by a roommate/friend.

@eScarry

Defense wants to introduce this since-deleted Facebook post, which purports to show a friend of Grosskreutz remarking that Grosskreutz's "only regret was not killing the kid and hesitating to pull the gun before emptying the mag into him..."

https://tinyurl.com/yeftcm86

Posted by: Tami at November 08, 2021 02:41 PM (cF8AT)

198 That reminds me. I am being summoned to jury duty in January. After my stint, I'll be known as The Nullification Man.

Posted by: Jak Sucio at November 08, 2021 02:41 PM (jvt6t)

199 Kyle Rittenhouse is a freaking stud, and deserves a medal.

And a unit to command."

And seventy virgins to attend to his needs.

Posted by: squid_hunt at November 08, 2021 02:41 PM (B0mGw)

200 And the driver for the Sbarro bomber, she was a journalist.

So now you know where they learned these tactics.

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 08, 2021 02:41 PM (B8kNI)

201 These people...always wrong; never in doubt...

@AyannaPressley

A 17 year old white supremacist domestic terrorist drove across state lines, armed with an AR 15.

He shot and killed 2 people who had assembled to affirm the value, dignity, and worth of Black lives.

Fix your damn headlines.
7:33 PM Aug 26, 2020
Posted by: Tami at November 08, 2021 02:29 PM

My understanding is that even the Boston City Council hated her, and she is, quite frankly, not all that bright. So of course the idiots in Boston put her in the House.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 08, 2021 02:41 PM (m+jkK)

202 Odd they don't think it's awful that the BLM/antifa mob had the nerve to come to their town.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 08, 2021 02:40 PM (ZLI7S)

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They were fighting for justice and stuff though.**

**By burning shit down and stealing stereos and Air Jordans

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at November 08, 2021 02:41 PM (OalnH)

203 195 186 >>>LoPecia Pressley

haha

I thought that was humorous too.. Anyone know why she is bald ?
Posted by: It's me donna at November 08, 2021 02:40 PM (0PUU9)

Black women and their hair is a whole other subject.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 08, 2021 02:41 PM (s2VJv)

204 >>>159 Rittenhouse is actually a pretty good shot if he found muscle to obliterate on an antifa pussy

"Don't fire until you see the soy in their veins."
-- Colonel Israel Putnam

Posted by: ace at November 08, 2021 02:42 PM (0G13K)

205 Hey, maybe he thought the gun was empty as someone else had handed it to hi,!

And that totes isn't also brandishing!

Posted by: Alec Baldwin at November 08, 2021 02:42 PM (F9322)

206 Odd they don't think it's awful that the BLM/antifa mob had the nerve to come to their town.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 08, 2021 02:40 PM (ZLI7S)

Oh, there was plenty of that too. We're pretty territorial.

Posted by: grammie winger at November 08, 2021 02:42 PM (45fpk)

207 >>>I thought that was humorous too..

Please don't say humerus.

Posted by: Gaige Grosskreuz at November 08, 2021 02:43 PM (0G13K)

208 201
My understanding is that even the Boston City Council hated her, and she is, quite frankly, not all that bright. So of course the idiots in Boston put her in the House.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 08, 2021 02:41 PM (m+jkK)

Titty Caca's Beantown twin.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 08, 2021 02:43 PM (s2VJv)

209 This busty blonde would vote to acquit:
https://is.gd/wssJto

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 08, 2021 02:43 PM (DU+/6)

210 "Defense wants to introduce this since-deleted Facebook post, which purports to show a friend of Grosskreutz remarking that Grosskreutz's "only regret was not killing the kid and hesitating to pull the gun before emptying the mag into him..."

It's hearsay and if the witness denies it I'm not sure how it helps their case. This clown has already done enough damage. No reason to add that at this point.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 08, 2021 02:43 PM (wtmsr)

211 >>There is more than one video out there of the antifa "medics" saying they are a medic and then smashing somebody over the head. One of their slimey tactics.

As there are antifa "press" that are on camera particpating in violence, and antifa "food support" providing weapons and likely participating.

All antifa are violent warriors, and it is ridiculous that we are supposed to accept their own subgroup labeling. Hell, their stupid name of being anti-fascist while being TOTALLY fascist is unacceptable. But we are through the looking glass, where burning a city down is "mostly peaceful," domestic ISIS terrorists are "crazy lone wolves," black conservatives are "white nationalists," biological men are celebrated as the "first woman [whatever]!" and so on.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 08, 2021 02:43 PM (bDqIh)

212 Anyone know why she is bald ?
==
Most space aliens are.

Posted by: The truth, is out there. at November 08, 2021 02:43 PM (GYTOW)

213 198 That reminds me. I am being summoned to jury duty in January. After my stint, I'll be known as The Nullification Man.
Posted by: Jak Sucio at November 08, 2021 02:41 PM (jvt6t)

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Me too. If I am on a jury, there better be video evidence from 5 different angles showing the crime being committed. Otherwise, reasonable doubt on my part because I believe nothing the govt (including any prosecuting attorney) tells me.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at November 08, 2021 02:43 PM (OalnH)

214 179 Yeah I don't trust the jury on this. Irrespective of how the judge charges them, they will probably convict Kyle on some count. Then it's headed for appeal. People are cowards. They won't follow the law, they will follow their personal whims.
Posted by: Marcus T at November 08, 2021 02:38 PM (wtmsr)

Jurors are often pretty dumb. There are exceptions but they frequently get whittled down to the lowest common denominator in the selection process.

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw at November 08, 2021 02:43 PM (II3Gr)

215 207 >>>I thought that was humorous too..

Please don't say humerus.
Posted by: Gaige Grosskreuz at November 08, 2021 02:43 PM (0G13K)

"Oh the humanity!!!!"

- - Michelle Fields

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 08, 2021 02:43 PM (s2VJv)

216 Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 08, 2021 02:43 PM (DU+/6)

If you like the tits, you must acquit??

Posted by: Jak Sucio at November 08, 2021 02:44 PM (jvt6t)

217 >>>LoPecia Pressley

haha

I thought that was humorous too.. Anyone know why she is bald ?
Posted by: It's me donna at November 08, 2021 02:40 PM

Because she has alopecia.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 08, 2021 02:44 PM (m+jkK)

218 >>I thought that was humorous too.. Anyone know why she is bald ?

It fell out - alopecia for real.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 08, 2021 02:44 PM (bDqIh)

219 But the biggest thing I hear is "He had the nerve to come to our town."

Odd they don't think it's awful that the BLM/antifa mob had the nerve to come to their town.

Posted by: JackStraw

Rittenhouse had a job as a lifeguard in their town.

Posted by: Sharkman at November 08, 2021 02:44 PM (jG9Nj)

220 212 Anyone know why she is bald ?
==
Most space aliens are.
Posted by: The truth, is out there. at November 08, 2021 02:43 PM (GYTOW)

To butt heads (two butt heads) with Stetler.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 08, 2021 02:44 PM (s2VJv)

221 215 "Oh the humanity!!!!"

- - Michelle Fields
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 08, 2021 02:43 PM (s2VJv)

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Why bring up the huge manitees?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the 30s with John Ford, again at November 08, 2021 02:44 PM (LvTSG)

222 The worst fear is mob justice wins in this case just like Derek Chauvin

Posted by: Skip's Phone at November 08, 2021 02:44 PM (2JoB8)

223 @159

>>Rittenhouse is actually a pretty good shot if he found muscle to obliterate on an antifa pussy

Though he was quite good and composed, he was more lucky to have those particular animals as aggressors.

I think that's line seven or eight of the Warriors' Prayer..

"And Oh lord, I beseech you to make all of my enemies uncoordinated and undisciplined Ass Clowns."

Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 08, 2021 02:44 PM (LEv7h)

224 So, Grosskruetz was committing a felony and that resulted in a death? The have the wrong person on trial.

Posted by: Denny Crane! at November 08, 2021 02:45 PM (c15ym)

225 It fell out - alopecia for real.
Posted by: Lizzy at November 08, 2021 02:44 PM (bDqIh)

I see...

Posted by: It's me donna at November 08, 2021 02:45 PM (0PUU9)

226 >>In response to Huber pointing a gun at his head, Rittenhouse aimed and fired at him. He hit Huber in the arm. It was a devastating injury -- it ripped off 90% of the muscle of his bicep.

Wasn't huber the guy he shot in the gut? And Grosskruetz was the guy shot in the arm, who was testifying.

This error makes the post very confusing.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at November 08, 2021 02:45 PM (Ymyz3)

227 *waves to the Empress*

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 08, 2021 02:45 PM (B8kNI)

228 I have never been summoned for jury duty in my mumble years.

I am disappoint.

Posted by: Tonypete at November 08, 2021 02:45 PM (mD/uy)

229 Ain't it grand how fvcked up everything gets when the people who run for elected office refuse to do what they are statutorily required to do?

It is absolutely jaw-dropping astonishing. They are paid extremely well, enjoy perqs and status and pensions and all kinds of advantage.

And they can't even do what's decent, and just, and plain common sense. Cities BURN TO THE GROUND because they are feckless. And they wanted the job. These are VOLUNTEER positions.

Posted by: Common Tater at November 08, 2021 02:45 PM (1l8jw)

230 You know, this defund the police thing works but ways. Guys like Cortez Rice are easy targets when you don't have to worry about the cops enforcing laws anymore. He should STFU better he gets shot.

Posted by: Joe Fingerblaster at November 08, 2021 02:45 PM (W+TLY)

231 Yeah - get the directed verdict when you can. We've seen a jury decide to ignore what was said and respond to threats. Just happened up the road a ways in Minneapolis; Chauvin was clearly shown to be using a hold consistent with the way the Minneapolis PD trained. Any attempt to save Floyd was lost when the crowd delayed medical help from arriving. They were more responsible for his death.

I still believe Chauvin wins on appeal. In this Rittenhouse case take the not guilty whenever you can - you cannot trust a jury.

And the guy threatening to DOX the jurors, something needs to happen to him.

Posted by: Black JEM at November 08, 2021 02:45 PM (V6xwG)

232 Why bring up the huge manitees?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the 30s with John Ford, again at November 08, 2021 02:44 PM (LvTSG)

Because they are my spirit animal.

Posted by: Jerry Nadler at November 08, 2021 02:45 PM (F9322)

233 Aww, I missed the fart thread! Stupid job.

Are we at a point that this trial becomes prosecutorial misconduct (or whatever it's called)?

Posted by: johnd01 at November 08, 2021 02:45 PM (ukNFU)

234 196 I agree that he will be found guilty of something, like under aged possession of a gun or some shit.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at November 08, 2021 02:41 PM (OalnH)

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"Defending his life while white. Show us wear that explicit right is found in the Constitution, comrade!"

Posted by: ShainS -- Let's Poop Brandon! at November 08, 2021 02:45 PM (xv+Ao)

235 Titty Caca's Beantown twin.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 08, 2021 02:43 PM

Ayuh.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 08, 2021 02:45 PM (m+jkK)

236 I haven't been following this trial that close but I distinctly remember seeing videos shortly after the incident of Rittenhouse being chased, falling down and then being attacked by a guy with a skateboard, lefty and some other guy. They were clearly trying to kill him or at least damage him severely.

The DA had to know right from day 1 this was going to be a disaster.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 08, 2021 02:46 PM (ZLI7S)

237 195 186 >>>LoPecia Pressley

haha

I thought that was humorous too.. Anyone know why she is bald ?
Posted by: It's me donna at November 08, 2021 02:40 PM (0PUU9)
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She's a white supremacist skinhead.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 08, 2021 02:46 PM (SBfb1)

238 >>>219 But the biggest thing I hear is "He had the nerve to come to our town."

please don't say nerve, either medial or radial.

Posted by: Gaige Grosskreuz at November 08, 2021 02:46 PM (0G13K)

239 She's bald because she no longer has any hair to pull out. And she blames the Jews for it also.

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 08, 2021 02:46 PM (B8kNI)

240 It's hearsay and if the witness denies it I'm not sure how it helps their case. This clown has already done enough damage. No reason to add that at this point.

Posted by: Marcus T

Comes in under the Statement Against Interest exception to the hearsay rule, possibly.

Posted by: Sharkman at November 08, 2021 02:46 PM (jG9Nj)

241 228 I have never been summoned for jury duty in my mumble years.

I am disappoint.
Posted by: Tonypete at November 08, 2021 02:45 PM (mD/uy)

I got summoned once. Made it from the pool to selection. Got struck when they found out I was a lawyer.

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw at November 08, 2021 02:46 PM (II3Gr)

242 212 Anyone know why she is bald ?

Are you referring to the actress in the first Star Trek movie?

Posted by: dantesed at November 08, 2021 02:46 PM (88xKn)

243 WRT medics in wartime -- No, they are not unarmed. Corpsmen (Navy serving with Marines) typically carry a 1911 -- at least in Viet Nam.

Posted by: wjr at November 08, 2021 02:46 PM (6Nc6c)

244 Me. I'm the answer.

Posted by: Kyle 'A Good Start' Rittenhouse at November 08, 2021 02:46 PM (zwDuR)

245 Pfffft.

Posted by: Jos. Robinette Biden at November 08, 2021 02:46 PM (3CC17)

246 Grosskreutz is a medic much the same way that I am an Indonesian potentate.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at November 08, 2021 02:47 PM (jTmQV)

247 The DA had to know right from day 1 this was going to be a disaster.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 08, 2021 02:46 PM (ZLI7S)

___

It's like with Gen. Flynn. The process is the punishment.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at November 08, 2021 02:47 PM (OalnH)

248 Outcome in a normal world would seem obvious here, but we do not live in a normal world. It wouldn't surprise me to see a guilty on half of the charges or more.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 08, 2021 02:47 PM (r5BVk)

249 222 The worst fear is mob justice wins in this case just like Derek Chauvin
Posted by: Skip's Phone at November 08, 2021 02:44 PM (2JoB

==========

I maintain that Chauvin was a dedicated leftist. He was a police officer in a notoriously woke police force in a notoriously leftist city, and he was aiming for advancement. You don't advance by being pro-Trump in that sort of environment.

It's also why his social media history never surfaced. They washed it away to blame him on the right when he had been an official foot soldier of the left's establishment for years, if not decades.

Not that what happened to him was justice, but that it shows that the left will eat its own all the time. And I think it was a message well received by a fair number of people.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the 30s with John Ford, again at November 08, 2021 02:47 PM (LvTSG)

250 Huber - skateboard thug who beat Kyle over the head with said skateboard.

Grosskreutz - tried to quick draw on Kyle, Kyle still got the drop on him.

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 08, 2021 02:47 PM (B8kNI)

251 ANTIFA is corporate. Probably some talent on loan from Putin for the military angle involved, too. RICO?

Posted by: klaftern at November 08, 2021 02:47 PM (taPSh)

252 The DA had to know right from day 1 this was going to be a disaster.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 08, 2021 02:46 PM (ZLI7S)
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Imagine the scene in the DA's office.

"OK, who wants to prosecute Kyle Rittenhouse?"

Coughs, shuffled feet, people slumping in their chairs and looking away.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 08, 2021 02:47 PM (SBfb1)

253 Most space aliens are.
Posted by: The truth, is out there.

It Came From Uranus.

Now Showing

Posted by: Joe Mama at November 08, 2021 02:47 PM (WmGrA)

254 Geez who do I have to blow to get a good approval rating around here?

Posted by: Kamala Harris at November 08, 2021 02:48 PM (aDgwG)

255 So, Grosskruetz was committing felonies and these resulted in a death? The have the wrong person on trial.

There's been a LOT of that going around the last 20 years or so.

Posted by: Common Tater at November 08, 2021 02:48 PM (1l8jw)

256 WRT medics in wartime -- No, they are not unarmed. Corpsmen (Navy serving with Marines) typically carry a 1911 -- at least in Viet Nam.
Posted by: wjr at November 08, 2021 02:46 PM (6Nc6c)

Yup. I was a medic in the Army, and was always armed and fully qualified on the M16. Some infantry medics were also qualified on the 9mm.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Scary Leprechaun with a cudgel at November 08, 2021 02:48 PM (xPJvm)

257 Tuco to Grosskreutz

When you have to shoot, shoot, don't talk!

Posted by: Bruce at November 08, 2021 02:48 PM (vd8XM)

258 >>But the biggest thing I hear is "He had the nerve to come to our town."

Unlike the antifa rioters who were all totally Kenosha residents - including the people who arrived in the Seattle Riot Kitch van full of canned food an other weapons who were arrested?

Posted by: Lizzy at November 08, 2021 02:48 PM (bDqIh)

259 AyannaPressley

A 17 year old white supremacist domestic terrorist drove across state lines, armed with an AR 15.

He shot and killed 2 people who had assembled to affirm the value, dignity, and worth of Black lives.
___________

LOL, yeah Rosenbaum, a mental defective who'd just been released from a psychiatric hospital that very afternoon, and who chased and attacked Kyle Rittenhouse, tried to take his gun, threatened to kill him, repeatedly shouted "shoot me, n*gger!" at Kyle, was just trying to affirm the dignity of black lives.

And Huber, a guy with a violent history (even against his own family members) who tried to bash Kyle Rittenhouse's head in with a skateboard while Kyle was on the ground, was also just trying to affirm the dignity of life -- by taking one.

GFY, you dumb, ignorant bint.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--F*ck Joe Biden at November 08, 2021 02:48 PM (k4dH2)

260 252 "OK, who wants to prosecute Kyle Rittenhouse?"

Coughs, shuffled feet, people slumping in their chairs and looking away.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 08, 2021 02:47 PM (SBfb1)

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"Newbie looked up. Give it to him."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the 30s with John Ford, again at November 08, 2021 02:48 PM (LvTSG)

261 I have never been summoned for jury duty in my mumble years.

I am disappoint.
Posted by: Tonypete at November 08, 2021 02:45 PM (mD/uy)
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Come live here. I was summoned twice in 18 months.

Or if you really want to serve, move to DC. My friend said she was summoned every 1-2 years when she lived there.

Posted by: bluebell at November 08, 2021 02:48 PM (wyw4S)

262 >>>243 WRT medics in wartime -- No, they are not unarmed. Corpsmen (Navy serving with Marines) typically carry a 1911 -- at least in Viet Nam.

really? Are you sure? I thought the whole thing about them not being valid targets (if you can identify them as medics) is that they are noncombatants and unarmed.

Posted by: ace at November 08, 2021 02:48 PM (0G13K)

263 >>I have never been summoned for jury duty in my mumble years.

>>I am disappoint.

Count your blessings. You will despair over your fellow man, our legal system and be bored to tears all at the same time.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 08, 2021 02:48 PM (ZLI7S)

264 The have also learned to write PRESS on their clothes so the cops will leave them alone.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 08, 2021 02:37 PM (ZLI7S)

Memo to self: if inadvertently caught up in Pantifa/BLM riot, shoot everyone with "press" ID on them.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 08, 2021 02:48 PM (P3gRi)

265
As for Rittenhouse, the only thing he should be on trial for is for not always shooting center mass.
Posted by: Rbastid at November 08, 2021 02:36 PM (jJ1lT)

=============================

That teenager had better off hand aim and more fire discipline than I think I would.

He should be getting a medal, not a trial.

The people that have the blood on their hands are the mayor and Governor Evers. They should have brought in the National guard after the first nght of rioting. Kyle shot those men on the THIRD night of riots.

Posted by: rd at November 08, 2021 02:48 PM (Z32m1)

266
TV close-captioning shows grosskruetz's name as "Gross Grits" on the tv.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at November 08, 2021 02:49 PM (sD1Jj)

267 really? Are you sure? I thought the whole thing about them not being valid targets (if you can identify them as medics) is that they are noncombatants and unarmed.
Posted by: ace at November 08, 2021 02:48 PM (0G13K)

see my #256.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Scary Leprechaun with a cudgel at November 08, 2021 02:49 PM (xPJvm)

268 "In war, medics are required to be unarmed" -- I'm not so sure this is true. Having just watched "Hacksaw Ridge", the medic in question was nearly thrown out of the Army for not wanting to carry a weapon. But this was WWII, maybe things are different now?

Posted by: Eric at November 08, 2021 02:49 PM (U2JkK)

269 >>>243 WRT medics in wartime -- No, they are not unarmed. Corpsmen (Navy serving with Marines) typically carry a 1911 -- at least in Viet Nam.

Huber, I'm informed, is a corpse-man.

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama, Highly Educated Genius at November 08, 2021 02:49 PM (0G13K)

270 You will despair over your fellow man, our legal system and be bored to tears all at the same time.

Story of my life.

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw at November 08, 2021 02:49 PM (II3Gr)

271 I keep seeing people saying that Kyle "Shouldn't have had the gun there. He should have know it would lead to violence." So it's his fault they attacked him.

These people cannot be taken seriously.

Posted by: 29Victor at November 08, 2021 02:50 PM (BJKQV)

272 Who knew that obsolete farm equipment could cause all this strife and commotion.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at November 08, 2021 02:50 PM (iDcra)

273 This busty blonde would vote to acquit:
https://is.gd/wssJto

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 08, 2021 02:43 PM (DU+/6)

If the bikini's a good fit, you must acquit.

Posted by: flounder at November 08, 2021 02:50 PM (KnJdm)

274 Keep it simple;

Rittenhouse=Kenosha Kid

Rosenbaum=Red Dwarf

Huber=Tony Hawk

Grosskreutz=Lefty

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos (meh, it's a living) at November 08, 2021 02:50 PM (3DZIZ)

275 WRT medics in wartime -- No, they are not unarmed. Corpsmen (Navy serving with Marines) typically carry a 1911 -- at least in Viet Nam.
Posted by: wjr

Word.

Posted by: Tonypete at November 08, 2021 02:50 PM (mD/uy)

276 I live in a pretty low crime area so I guess that's why I haven't been summoned? But that is sadly changing as the influx of blue city refugees continues un abated. And as they move in, weirdly enough crime starts increasing.

So I guess I'll have my wish of being on a jury soon enough.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at November 08, 2021 02:50 PM (OalnH)

277 Cortez is not actually Floyd's nephew, just a friend who calls himself a nephew, presumably for some of that settlement money. From what I've read in a few places.

Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at November 08, 2021 02:51 PM (OssQ4)

278 Posted by: Lizzy at November 08, 2021 02:48 PM (bDqIh)

Lizzy - they resented Antifa too. And they resented Gov. Evers who wouldn't put a stop to the riots. All most people wanted was for it just to stop and everybody go back home. There's resentment all 'round.

Posted by: grammie winger at November 08, 2021 02:51 PM (45fpk)

279 @273

>>If the bikini's a good fit, you must acquit.

Sometimes they are so blazing that appear to be a different form of human all together.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 08, 2021 02:51 PM (LEv7h)

280 I keep seeing people saying that Kyle "Shouldn't have had the gun there. He should have know it would lead to violence." So it's his fault they attacked him.

___

His skirt was so short, I mean he deserved to be gang raped.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at November 08, 2021 02:51 PM (OalnH)

281 271 I keep seeing people saying that Kyle "Shouldn't have had the gun there. He should have know it would lead to violence." So it's his fault they attacked him.

No gun and he would have been dead.. Of course he would have deserved it being that he was a racist white supremacist

Posted by: It's me donna at November 08, 2021 02:51 PM (0PUU9)

282 Greetings:

To my knowledge, medics are not required to be unarmed. They may be because of personal preference, pacifism, or group morés.

Our combat medic carried the big shovel. The underlying logic was that if he needed to join the battle, there would be weapons around and available.

Posted by: 11B40 at November 08, 2021 02:51 PM (uuklp)

283 Keep it simple;
Rittenhouse=Kenosha Kid
Rosenbaum=Red Dwarf
Huber=Tony Hawk
Grosskreutz=Lefty
Posted by: the guy that moves pianos

This 10 yr old kid shot me in the ass and I climbed in this here bottle where I stayed.
--Waco Kid

Posted by: rickb223 at November 08, 2021 02:51 PM (OCTRt)

284 Rosenbaum=Red Dwarf

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos (meh, it's a living) at November 08, 2021 02:50 PM (3DZIZ)

Ace = Ace

Posted by: 29Victor at November 08, 2021 02:52 PM (BJKQV)

285 The worst case I ever took to a jury trial, I won.

Most overwhelmingly factually and legally slam-dunk case I ever took to jury trial, I lost.

Juries suck and an attorney should NEVER try a case in front of one.

Posted by: Sharkman at November 08, 2021 02:52 PM (jG9Nj)

286 Or if you really want to serve, move to DC. My friend said she was summoned every 1-2 years when she lived there.
Posted by: bluebell at November 08, 2021 02:48 PM (wyw4S)
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Probably three-quarters of the potential jury pool in DC have felony convictions, and so cannot be serve.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 08, 2021 02:52 PM (SBfb1)

287 >>It's like with Gen. Flynn. The process is the punishment.

At least with Flynn much of the evidence was hidden from the public and if not for Barr ordering a review of the evidence he might have actually gone to prison. Everyone who saw the same videos on tv I did had to know this was self-defense.

I get the process thing (only people on our side don't seem to think the same applies to the other side) butyl they have done is make normal people more angry and distrustful.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 08, 2021 02:52 PM (ZLI7S)

288 question;

are we talking medic as in guy who has the job as medic or medic as in guy who is wearing the livery/symbols of a medic?

I know a SEAL medic who was armed. But he obviously didn't have the white cross on him.

Doesn't the white crosss mean unarmed, noncombatant?

Posted by: ace at November 08, 2021 02:52 PM (0G13K)

289 Bernie Botts are actual National Socialists. Ask Bernie how Sweden does it. Its funny cuz the guy's name is GrossKraut.

Posted by: Puddin Head at November 08, 2021 02:52 PM (ifUkZ)

290 WRT medics in wartime -- No, they are not unarmed. Corpsmen (Navy serving with Marines) typically carry a 1911 -- at least in Viet Nam.

really? Are you sure? I thought the whole thing about them not being valid targets (if you can identify them as medics) is that they are noncombatants and unarmed.

Posted by: ace at November 08, 2021 02:48 PM

My brother was a Navy medic with the 3rd Marines and he was issued a .45. Granted that was the early 70s and things might have changed but I have pictures of him gunned up. One even has him with an M16.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at November 08, 2021 02:52 PM (JUOKG)

291 Didn't I hear that the mayor, DA, and Police Investigator in charge are all related?

Could this be the product of incompetence driven by a family using their little small pond empire for graft and power?

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at November 08, 2021 02:52 PM (Ymyz3)

292 Did ADA Binger actually show a picture of Grosskreutz after Kyle shot him with gun still in hand to the jury?

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 08, 2021 02:52 PM (B8kNI)

293 I thought that was humorous too.. Anyone know why she is bald ?
Posted by: It's me donna at November 08, 2021 02:40 PM

Because she has alopecia.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 08, 2021 02:44 PM (m+jkK)

This laughing lady is also short of hair:
https://tinyurl.com/bftazs8f

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 08, 2021 02:52 PM (csEWM)

294 "really? Are you sure? I thought the whole thing about them not being valid targets (if you can identify them as medics) is that they are noncombatants and unarmed. "

The picture on my wall says this is mostly false.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 08, 2021 02:52 PM (wtmsr)

295 Greetings:

To my knowledge, medics are not required to be unarmed.

Only problem? If they're armed? That red cross is an aim point. That makes them a legit target.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 08, 2021 02:53 PM (OCTRt)

296 I get jury summons every 2 years, like clockwork.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at November 08, 2021 02:53 PM (jTmQV)

297 If I were the judge, I would not grant directed verdict. At this point, it's better for the kid to be acquitted by the jury than to allow a mistrial with possible retrial. It sucks. But it's better to let the process play out, and grant whatever post-trial relief may be available if the jury gets it wrong. At least that's my take based on my half-informed view of where things stand.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at November 08, 2021 02:53 PM (QU5/8)

298 @281

>>No gun and he would have been dead.

If he didn't have the gun they probably wouldn't have paid much attention to him.

Basically they wanted to attack a figure of authority/order and wanted to steel his weapon.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 08, 2021 02:53 PM (LEv7h)

299 Cortez is not actually Floyd's nephew, just a friend who calls himself a nephew, presumably for some of that settlement money. From what I've read in a few places.
Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at November 08, 2021 02:51 PM (OssQ4)
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Trying to sort out ghetto genealogy could cause irreversible brain damage.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 08, 2021 02:53 PM (SBfb1)

300 There are at least two medics who have been posthumously awarded the CMoH for picking up a weapon and killing the enemy, always while trying to defend wounded soldiers.

Posted by: Sharkman at November 08, 2021 02:53 PM (jG9Nj)

301 okay I corrected, but I'm still unsure.

I thought the marking of a white cross designated a person (or truck) as an invalid target. I thought that's why Hezbollah and Hamas smuggle weapons and fighters in fake red cross vehicles.

Posted by: ace at November 08, 2021 02:54 PM (0G13K)

302 Imagine the scene in the DA's office.

"OK, who wants to prosecute Kyle Rittenhouse?"

Coughs, shuffled feet, people slumping in their chairs and looking away.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 08, 2021 02:47 PM (SBfb1)

Given that to win as AG for the Dems you need a strong showing in Milwaukee I'll bet there was actual effort to being selected as prosecutor. Win and your a hero in Mil and Mad, lose and you can run for AG as you are looking to clean up a racist system. Its a win-win for a Dem, as long as they don't do something stupid that gets the case tossed.

Posted by: Bete at November 08, 2021 02:54 PM (F9322)

303 lly? Are you sure? I thought the whole thing about them not being valid targets (if you can identify them as medics) is that they are noncombatants and unarmed.
Posted by: ace

NV wasn't a signatory to the Geneva Accords.

Posted by: Joe Mama at November 08, 2021 02:54 PM (WmGrA)

304 "88 Is Grosskreutz German for "big dummy?"
Posted by: OrangeEnt at November 08, 2021 02:27 PM (7bRMQ)"

He's on video previously saying that he wished he'd managed to shoot Rittenhouse, and on video and film from a zillion angles during the incident. There is no effin' way he can testify other than honestly and not put his own ass in a sling and he knows it.

Remember, the left views this as another no-lose case. Either Kyle is convicted and their opponents get dunked on - especially if it's via juror threats - or he gets off and we get more riot-fodder. The left aims to create situations where their opponents refuse to condemn people the left has unpersoned, in order to rile up their base and to fid-leaf political violence.

The major miscalculation is that the right was sitting on their hands through 2020 wanting to avoid negative optics for the election. Now the election - ANY election, perhaps ever again - isn't really a concern for many millions of people. The only law left is the 11th commandment and people are simply waiting for the balloon to go up.

Posted by: somedood - skull mountain sherpa at November 08, 2021 02:54 PM (EI5xb)

305 Commenters tell me that that's just not true. They're armed
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Lucky them.

Posted by: Michelle Fields at November 08, 2021 02:54 PM (4ocz0)

306 The have also learned to write PRESS on their clothes so the cops will leave them alone.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 08, 2021 02:37 PM

While denying that Andy Ngo is quite literally a reporter, a gainfully employed journalist, and unlike them, actual Press.

Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at November 08, 2021 02:54 PM (OssQ4)

307 288 question;

are we talking medic as in guy who has the job as medic or medic as in guy who is wearing the livery/symbols of a medic?

I know a SEAL medic who was armed. But he obviously didn't have the white cross on him.

Doesn't the white crosss mean unarmed, noncombatant?
Posted by: ace at November 08, 2021 02:52 PM (0G13K)

Desmond Doss, Medal of Honor winner for his actions in WWII, didn't carry a weapon when he was a medic.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at November 08, 2021 02:54 PM (EU//e)

308 https://tinyurl.com/ya2bu6pp

How to tell if it's Wuflu or something else

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at November 08, 2021 02:54 PM (YynYJ)

309 Doesn't the white crosss mean unarmed, noncombatant?
Posted by: ace at November 08, 2021 02:52 PM (0G13K)

We had the red cross arm band, but aside from field exercises we never wore them and no way in hell would we wear one in combat. Today's bad guys don't play by the rules.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Scary Leprechaun with a cudgel at November 08, 2021 02:54 PM (xPJvm)

310 Count your blessings. You will despair over your fellow man, our legal system and be bored to tears all at the same time.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 08, 2021 02:48 PM

If you really want to despair, go to probate and family court any given day and just stand in the lobby and listen.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 08, 2021 02:54 PM (m+jkK)

311 If you identify as a medic with a White banner and Red Cross (or Red Crescent or Mogen David), then you MUST be Unarmed per the Geneva Conventions.

You van carry weapons and be armed, you just cannot use the Red Cross as protection.

FYI Kyle Rittenhouse went to Kenosha as a medic, and was treating people on both sides, or no side that night. He also put out an arson fire, which pissed off Rosenbaum, and made Kyle his target.

Posted by: rd at November 08, 2021 02:55 PM (Z32m1)

312 263 >>I have never been summoned for jury duty in my mumble years.

>>I am disappoint.

Count your blessings. You will despair over your fellow man, our legal system and be bored to tears all at the same time.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 08, 2021 02:48 PM (ZLI7S)

I get 2/3 of that in this thread, and don't even have to sit on uncomfortable wooden benches.

Posted by: Bete at November 08, 2021 02:55 PM (F9322)

313 >>they resented Antifa too. And they resented Gov. Evers who wouldn't put a stop to the riots. All most people wanted was for it just to stop and everybody go back home. There's resentment all 'round.

Ah. A shame that those who had the ability to shut it down didn't. That blood is on their hands, as well as the town's destruction.

Did any investigative reporter look to see if the mayor or his familiy/allies profited off of this, by purchasing distressed property or something?

Posted by: Lizzy at November 08, 2021 02:55 PM (bDqIh)

314 Didn't I hear that the mayor, DA, and Police Investigator in charge are all related?

Could this be the product of incompetence driven by a family using their little small pond empire for graft and power?

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest

Yep and also yep.

Posted by: Sharkman at November 08, 2021 02:55 PM (jG9Nj)

315 Probably three-quarters of the potential jury pool in DC have felony convictions, and so cannot be serve.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 08, 2021 02:52 PM (SBfb1)
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Excellent point. Plus there are several courts in DC, and a relatively small population of people who actually live in DC to choose from. Lots of people work there, not so many live there.

Posted by: bluebell at November 08, 2021 02:55 PM (wyw4S)

316 I know the mayor slightly, from taking care of his Golden Retriever at the vet. He seemed like a nice enough guy, kind of befuddled like he might not know how to make change.

Posted by: grammie winger at November 08, 2021 02:55 PM (45fpk)

317 Don't worry - we'll try Kyle again later, and get the Correct Verdict next time!

Posted by: The Future People's Courts! at November 08, 2021 02:55 PM (I2/tG)

318 His skirt was so short, I mean he deserved to be gang raped.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at November 08, 2021 02:51 PM (OalnH)

But also that they have no problem with the idea that there are violent men ready to do violence to someone carrying a gun. "Just leave them alone and let them do their burning." Like they're wild animals or something.

Posted by: 29Victor at November 08, 2021 02:55 PM (BJKQV)

319 I have never been summoned for jury duty in my mumble years.
I am disappoint.
Posted by: Tonypete at November 08, 2021 02:45 PM (mD/uy)
++++
Only once for me, and is was awesome. We were all seated and waiting for counsel to show up. Defense lawyer stormed in, walked right up to the bench brandishing a video tape and said, "Your honor, we need to meet in your chambers." The judge looked very surprised and unhappy, but they went into chambers, right off the courtroom. After a few minutes of muffled yelling, they all came out. The defense lawyer looked smug and the prosecutor looked like he was about to lose his lunch. The judge said, "Thank you all for coming. We were going to do jury selection this morning, but some people don't seem to know the rules. I am throwing this case out. Thank you for your time and all of you will be marked as having done your civic duty. Have a wonderful day."

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 08, 2021 02:56 PM (DU+/6)

320 I know a medic who was awarded the Medal of Honor.
He was in a bomb crater rendering aid to 5 wounded guys.
Someone lobbed a grenade into the crater.
He jumped on it and clutched it to his belly.
It didn't go off.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at November 08, 2021 02:56 PM (jTmQV)

321 Technically a medic should not be armed. But with the Japanese and Viet Cong, forget it. So yeah you packed to defend yourself and your charges.

I will always remember after the fall of Singapore the Japanese going into a hospital full of wounded Australian soldiers and murdering them.

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 08, 2021 02:56 PM (B8kNI)

322 I just want to say...well, I guess I can't. Maybe one day I'll be able dox this mother fucker ass.

Posted by: sidney at November 08, 2021 02:56 PM (LJJah)

323 Grosskruetz testimony....

I have been watching it all morning. The verbal and written statements by Grosskreuetz are all over the place and, being generous, smack of him shading events to paint him as something of hero and utterly blameless for getting shot in the bicep. The deal here is he ran at break neck speed a couple blocks and interjected himself in the situation where Rittenhouse was on his back. At this point he claims he put his hands in the air, Rittenhouse then racked a round into the chamber and the shot him. Of course the fact that he by this point lunged and pointed his Glock 27 directly at Rittenhouse was more a less a what's a fellow to do moment, nothing to see here, move along. I looked carefully at the video and I can't figure out where Rittenhouse, in the space of a second or two, "racked" a round and had time to get a round off. He barely had time to roll over and respond to a Glock 27 pointed directly at him. I don't find Grosskruetz credible at all. If Grosskruetz hadn't chased Rittenhouse down he would still have a right bicep. But he did, was then loose with his statements, and for extra credit he was carrying a concealed weapon illegally.

Posted by: LostInSpace at November 08, 2021 02:57 PM (ESLBo)

324 "okay I corrected, but I'm still unsure.

I thought the marking of a white cross designated a person (or truck) as an invalid target. I thought that's why Hezbollah and Hamas smuggle weapons and fighters in fake red cross vehicles.
Posted by: ace at November 08, 2021 02:54 PM (0G13K)"

You can bet, sure as hell, if someone is engaged in direct fire, irrespective of designation, there will be return indirect or direct fire. The marking will buy you some penance unless you use them in that manner.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 08, 2021 02:57 PM (wtmsr)

325 "Just leave them alone and let them do their burning." Like they're wild animals or something."

There's a proper way to handle wild animals attacking human settlements. And there was a lot of smoke and noise and everyone was wearing masks at those events.

Posted by: squid_hunt at November 08, 2021 02:57 PM (B0mGw)

326 His skirt was so short, I mean he deserved to be gang raped.
Posted by: Joe XiDen

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This is unfair.
There is no excuse for what the thugs tried to dop Kyle, or for rapists, but there is such a thing as keeping a 17yo out of a situation where he needs an AR to defend himself.

I think Kyle is a hero, and I said so since the first photos dropped (and was rebuffed in these gray boxes) but I think he screwed up in getting separated from the group, and his parents screwed up in letting him go to that shit show city to play hero. Turns out he was a hero but this could have gone very badly for him.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at November 08, 2021 02:57 PM (Ymyz3)

327 Now we get a nervy up-talking forensic technician.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 08, 2021 02:58 PM (SBfb1)

328 'Busty short hair' led me to Raquel Welch:

https://tinyurl.com/3e3jbbkf

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 08, 2021 02:58 PM (csEWM)

329 If I'm not mistaken, Gage there is wearing a pin from "Star Wars", the symbol of the Rebellion/Resistance.

130IQ move there, buddy.

Posted by: Thrawn at November 08, 2021 02:58 PM (5aFbR)

330 This whole "medic" thing is a deliberate red herring by the pantyfags. They're not soldiers, they're not medics. They're fucking thugs and goons out looking for a fight. The Soy-Abteilung.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 08, 2021 02:58 PM (6FeV1)

331 @Gentleman

You know you can enlist at 16, right?

Posted by: squid_hunt at November 08, 2021 02:58 PM (B0mGw)

332 >> Now we get a nervy up-talking forensic technician.

cute.... but that voice.....

Posted by: McCool at November 08, 2021 02:59 PM (BqBIh)

333 FYI Kyle Rittenhouse went to Kenosha as a medic, and was treating people on both sides, or no side that night. He also put out an arson fire, which pissed off Rosenbaum, and made Kyle his target.
Posted by: rd

Left handed fapper Grosskreutz was an Antifa medic.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 08, 2021 02:59 PM (OCTRt)

334
Then why isn't Fucking Toilet Paper "tax free" too??

"Real men don't use toilet paper."
Joe Brandon Biden

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at November 08, 2021 02:59 PM (0B/5D)

335 'Busty bald' told me that I was filtering out results because safe search was on. I'll bet it was.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 08, 2021 02:59 PM (csEWM)

336 I will always remember after the fall of Singapore the Japanese going into a hospital full of wounded Australian soldiers and murdering them.

Posted by: Anna Puma

They murdered all of the Aussie doctors and nurses as well.

Posted by: Sharkman at November 08, 2021 02:59 PM (jG9Nj)

337 So, Grosskruetz was committing a felony and that resulted in a death? The have the wrong person on trial.
Posted by: Denny Crane! at November 08, 2021 02:45 PM

...

Exactly. Attempted murder non?

Posted by: TexasDan at November 08, 2021 02:59 PM (wzmFg)

338 I keep seeing people saying that Kyle "Shouldn't have had the gun there. He should have know it would lead to violence." So it's his fault they attacked him.

These people cannot be taken seriously.

Posted by: 29Victor at November 08, 2021 02:50 PM (BJKQV)

The NYT has an article out about how cops are jumping in front of moving vehicles and shooting at them like in the movies and how stupid and dangerous that is. I was all okay I can see how that's bad.

NYT: These are unarmed men! The police claim the vehicle itself is a weapon!
Me: But it is tho.
NYT: And these are people who are just trying creep around or otherwise drive away from the police!
Me: Oh for pity's sake.

Posted by: alexthechick - boobs and hysteria at November 08, 2021 02:59 PM (mf5HN)

339 329 If I'm not mistaken, Gage there is wearing a pin from "Star Wars", the symbol of the Rebellion/Resistance.

130IQ move there, buddy.
Posted by: Thrawn at November 08, 2021 02:58 PM (5aFbR)

Hmmm, the prosecutor was wearing the same pin on friday, I think.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 08, 2021 02:59 PM (csEWM)

340 Posted by: sidney at November 08, 2021 02:56 PM (LJJah)

How are you talking about doxing?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 08, 2021 03:00 PM (ueGNX)

341 If I had a son, he would look like Kyle

Posted by: REDACTED at November 08, 2021 03:00 PM (us2H3)

342 340-Who,not "how".

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 08, 2021 03:01 PM (ueGNX)

343 >>If you really want to despair, go to probate and family court any given day and just stand in the lobby and listen.

I did a few trial a few years ago for a woman who was claiming she had been wrongfully terminated from a state job. I thought it could be mildly interesting. I thought wrong.

This woman was a loon and her lawyer was embarrassingly awful. He dragged the thing on for 4 days when it should have taken a couple hours, max. At the end the judge took us into his chambers and proceeded to clown the attorney for about 1/2 hour. Even he hated him.

Only good part was one guy who showed up for the jury pool in a wife beater, cut off jean shorts and Doc Martens. Don't remember his first name but his last name was Cash and he went on to tell the court during the voir dire that he had a daughter named Stolen and a son named Cold. Oh and he hated cops cause they busted up a party he was having and took all the drugs.

That was the highlight of the week.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 08, 2021 03:01 PM (ZLI7S)

344 Do not speak to me of rules.
This is war! This is not a game of cricket!

Posted by: Colonel Saito at November 08, 2021 03:01 PM (Ymyz3)

345 "If I had a son, he would look like Kyle"

And hopefully have the courage, integrity, and balls of Kyle.

Posted by: squid_hunt at November 08, 2021 03:01 PM (B0mGw)

346 341 If I had a son, he would look like Kyle
Posted by: REDACTED at November 08, 2021 03:00 PM (us2H3)

You wish. His parents seem to have done a good job with the kid. My hat's off to them in this day and age.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 08, 2021 03:01 PM (csEWM)

347 If I'm not mistaken, Gage there is wearing a pin from "Star Wars", the symbol of the Rebellion/Resistance.

130IQ move there, buddy.
Posted by: Thrawn at November 08, 2021 02:58 PM (5aFbR)
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I'm glad Lefty didn't clean up before testifying. Shave, haircut, lose the ear plugs, and he probably get away with a lot more lying.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 08, 2021 03:02 PM (SBfb1)

348 Why are so many antifa thugs privileged white Jews? You would think that Jews -- of all people -- would be especially wary of targeting certain people for their political beliefs.

Posted by: Elric Blade at November 08, 2021 03:02 PM (iFTx/)

349 You can bet, sure as hell, if someone is engaged in direct fire, irrespective of designation, there will be return indirect or direct fire. The marking will buy you some penance unless you use them in that manner.
Posted by: Marcus T at November 08, 2021 02:57 PM (wtmsr)

"Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition. "

Posted by: 29Victor at November 08, 2021 03:02 PM (BJKQV)

350 But he did, was then loose with his statements, and for extra credit he was carrying a concealed weapon illegally.

Posted by: LostInSpace

Rittenhouse also cleared a jam before racking that round, in about 0.5 seconds.

Posted by: Sharkman at November 08, 2021 03:02 PM (jG9Nj)

351 -
If I'm not mistaken, Gage there is wearing a pin from "Star Wars", the symbol of the Rebellion/Resistance.

130IQ move there, buddy.
Posted by: Thrawn at November 08, 2021 02:58 PM (5aFbR)

Hmmm, the prosecutor was wearing the same pin on friday, I think.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 08, 2021 02:59 PM -
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Whatever. As long as this criminal Rittenhouse doesn't use the OK symbol.

Posted by: Your Impartial Press at November 08, 2021 03:02 PM (SchQD)

352 There is a pro-Antifa "journalist" covering the trial from Portland, and even she admits that Kyle is probably going to get acquitted.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at November 08, 2021 03:02 PM (I2/tG)

353 Rittenhouse also cleared a jam before racking that round, in about 0.5 seconds.

Posted by: Sharkman at November 08, 2021 03:02 PM (jG9Nj)

better gun skills than most cops.

Posted by: IC - #FJB at November 08, 2021 03:02 PM (hV9ir)

354 Please, President Biden. Comment on this case. You can afford to lose 10 or 15 more points in the polls.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at November 08, 2021 03:03 PM (Hudry)

355 And hopefully have the courage, integrity, and balls of Kyle.
Posted by: squid_hunt at November 08, 2021 03:01 PM (B0mGw)

And aim under fire.

Posted by: 29Victor at November 08, 2021 03:03 PM (BJKQV)

356 341 If I had a son, he would look like Kyle

Posted by: REDACTED at November 08, 2021 03:00 PM (us2H3)

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Cortez King?

If Obama had a son ...

Posted by: ShainS -- Let's Poop Brandon! at November 08, 2021 03:03 PM (xv+Ao)

357
Hmmm, the prosecutor was wearing the same pin on friday, I think.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 08, 2021 02:59 PM (csEWM

YGBKMLOL

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 08, 2021 03:03 PM (/KPLX)

358 "Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition. "

Chaplain, USS New Orleans at the attack on Pearl Harbor. The cruiser was in the middle of refit and lacked power for the ammo hoists so they formed human chains to bring the ammo up. The Chaplain joined in.

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 08, 2021 03:03 PM (B8kNI)

359 The rules of war actually make an accommodation for the misuse of symbols such as the Red Cross or white surrender flag.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 08, 2021 03:03 PM (wtmsr)

360 I really expected there to be more gaaiinnnzzz jokes about the guy who got his bicep blown off.

Jeez people. Step it up.

Posted by: MJ at November 08, 2021 03:03 PM (zwDuR)

361 >>This whole "medic" thing is a deliberate red herring by the pantyfags. They're not soldiers, they're not medics. They're fucking thugs and goons out looking for a fight. The Soy-Abteilung.

EXACTLY
This is a tactic, claiming that if they have some of their group labeld as "press" or "medics" or "food support" this makes them off-limits from police and somehow neutral. Because they say so. All while having these allegedly non-combatant antifa participating in the violence. Clown nose on, clowns nose off.

And they get away with it because the MSM work with them. For onsite MSM/inependent journalists they must agree to antifa's terms, including maintaining the farce that the antifa "press" "medics" erc. are not violent/off limits.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 08, 2021 03:04 PM (bDqIh)

362 Gentle reminder: The majority of elected congress critters are lawyers and most have been prosecutors. Sayin'.

Posted by: Capital Eff at November 08, 2021 03:04 PM (2xGy+)

363 OT, but Bootyjudge is now claiming racism motivated highway underpass designs. Seriously, wtf? How can even wine moms take this seriously?

https://tinyurl.com/unyw3d34

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 08, 2021 03:04 PM (szbbg)

364 Cortez King?

If Obama had a son ...
Posted by: ShainS -- Let's Poop Brandon! at November 08, 2021 03:03 PM (xv+Ao)

If Obama had a son, it'd look like Stacy Abrams.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 08, 2021 03:04 PM (6FeV1)

365 331 @Gentleman

You know you can enlist at 16, right?
Posted by: squid_hunt

Yeah, and be trained and lead. And in defense of country, not Martin Luther King Boulevard.

As a parent, I can not imagine allowing my kid to do what he did.

Posted by: Colonel Saito at November 08, 2021 03:04 PM (Ymyz3)

366 Only good part was one guy who showed up for the jury pool in a wife beater, cut off jean shorts and Doc Martens. Don't remember his first name but his last name was Cash and he went on to tell the court during the voir dire that he had a daughter named Stolen and a son named Cold. Oh and he hated cops cause they busted up a party he was having and took all the drugs.

That was the highlight of the week.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 08, 2021 03:01 PM (ZLI7S)
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I see he took the "How to get out of jury duty with this one easy trick" crash course.

Posted by: bluebell at November 08, 2021 03:04 PM (wyw4S)

367 Notice how it is not the Actual DA sitting in the chair as prosecuting attorney? Even if the ADA's do all the work?

just like Angela Corey in the George Zimmerman / Trayvon Martin Trial. I just hope the Kenosha DA has the good sense and decency not be like Corey who said that Zimmerman was a guilty murderer even after he was acqitted.

Posted by: rd at November 08, 2021 03:04 PM (Z32m1)

368 Heh. It'd be a real friggin' shame if some of Floyd's family decided to come stalk around my place.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 08, 2021 03:04 PM (axyOa)

369 He jumped on it and clutched it to his belly.
It didn't go off.

Posted by: gourmand du jour

They awarded that dude's brass balls with a Navy Cross, I've heard.

Posted by: Sharkman at November 08, 2021 03:04 PM (jG9Nj)

370 YGBKMLOL
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 08, 2021 03:03 PM (/KPLX)

I puzzled that one out Yud. Lol.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 08, 2021 03:05 PM (csEWM)

371 IMO anyone involved in rioting with a black plate carrier on that says "MEDIC" or "PRESS" is advertising themselves as a legit target. Probably one that needs to be dispatched quickly. You don't dress as the combatants and expect to be spared. Idiots.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 08, 2021 03:05 PM (BFigT)

372 AG Garland has already teed up the civil rights case against Rittenhouse.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at November 08, 2021 03:05 PM (iDcra)

373 Only good part was one guy who showed up for the jury pool in a wife beater, cut off jean shorts and Doc Martens. Don't remember his first name but his last name was Cash and he went on to tell the court during the voir dire that he had a daughter named Stolen and a son named Cold. Oh and he hated cops cause they busted up a party he was having and took all the drugs.
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I was in a jury pool where a Berkeley character had the courtroom - and the judge - in stitches.

"My name is X, I'm 35 or whatever, no known children."

"Do you have anything against doctors or lawyers?"
"Yes. I hate them both."
"Do you hate one more than the other?"
"Yes, I hate doctors more. No, wait, I take that back. I hate lawyers. Well, actually I hate them both equally. On second thought, I think I hate lawyers a little bit more."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 08, 2021 03:05 PM (SBfb1)

374 Rittenhouse then racked a round into the chamber and the shot him.

Wasn't that when he was clearing a jam?

Posted by: rickb223 at November 08, 2021 03:05 PM (OCTRt)

375 "Yeah, and be trained and lead. And in defense of country, not Martin Luther King Boulevard.

As a parent, I can not imagine allowing my kid to do what he did."

I think this is sort of a "if not here, then when" situation.

These are the sort of people we want out there doing this. This is worth fighting for. And when it comes time for it to hit in my neighborhood, I hope I'm just as willing to stand up for what's right.

Posted by: squid_hunt at November 08, 2021 03:06 PM (B0mGw)

376 >>I see he took the "How to get out of jury duty with this one easy trick" crash course.

The scary part is he wasn't acting. I talked to him for a bit in the room they kept us in before going to court and he was once crazy SOB.

He's still out there, walking among us.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 08, 2021 03:06 PM (ZLI7S)

377 Hmmm, the prosecutor was wearing the same pin on friday, I think.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 08, 2021 02:59 PM (csEWM)

Wait, I was mistaken, it's the prosecutor wearing that pin.

Given how the trial is going, still a 130IQ move on his part.

Btw, he's part of the system, how is he claiming to be part of the "rebellion/resistance"? Maybe we should be lucky the idiot's not wearing a symbol from Harry Potter or something equally as banal.

Posted by: Thrawn at November 08, 2021 03:06 PM (5aFbR)

378 363 OT, but Bootyjudge is now claiming racism motivated highway underpass designs. Seriously, wtf? How can even wine moms take this seriously?

https://tinyurl.com/unyw3d34
Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 08, 2021 03:04 PM (szbbg)

Only three things occupy their thoughts: intoxicants, social acceptance within their wine mom group, and fucking the pool boy.

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw at November 08, 2021 03:06 PM (II3Gr)

379 Johnny B (6

is correct. A judgment of acquittal based on a directed verdict by the judge (a finding of insufficient evidence to sustain the charges) is not reviewable. Game over.

I think it's now basically uncontested that Dead Guy one had threatened to kill Kyle, and then got shot when he was lunging at Kyle trying to grab his bun; Dead Guy two was shot while beating Kyle with a skateboard; and Wounded Guy was advancing on Kyle at close range while pointing a gun at him.

I wouldn't put it past this judge. He seems pretty Wisconsin-y straight shooter.

Posted by: mattman26 at November 08, 2021 03:07 PM (1fnam)

380 Truth is Kyle stood up for right to repair or stop the riots. Armed because he knew it was dangerous.. Rioters attacked him, he shot back in self defense(effectively) He's got stones. we need more of him. That is why he's on trial because they are scared shitless there are more of him. Also true yeah there are more just like him. I served with them. The time is coming that we all need to be just like kyle and stand the fuck up!

Posted by: USNtakim deplorable still. at November 08, 2021 03:07 PM (0OmEj)

381 better gun skills than most cops.

Posted by: IC - #FJB

Better gun skills than most special forces operators.

Posted by: Sharkman at November 08, 2021 03:07 PM (jG9Nj)

382 How are you talking about doxing?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 08, 2021 03:00 PM (ueGNX)

It's troll Kurt, or his apprentice, Fen.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 08, 2021 03:07 PM (P3gRi)

383 He's still out there, walking among us.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 08, 2021 03:06 PM (ZLI7S)
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Walking among YOU.

Posted by: bluebell at November 08, 2021 03:07 PM (wyw4S)

384 AG Garland has already teed up the civil rights case against Rittenhouse.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at November 08, 2021 03:05 PM

Guarantee you that if this does not go the way they want it to and there is a not guilty verdict, there will be a huge federal civil rights violation investigation and show trial of young Mister rittenhouse.

It is inevitable.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at November 08, 2021 03:08 PM (JUOKG)

385 354 Please, President Biden. Comment on this case. You can afford to lose 10 or 15 more points in the polls.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at November 08, 2021 03:03 PM (Hudry)

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"Look, phat -- that white boy on trial, Orville Redenbacher ... if the jury lets him walk, he needs to be Corn Popped on the street if you know what I mean. YOU KILLED OUR CHILD!"

Posted by: ShainS -- Let's Poop Brandon! at November 08, 2021 03:08 PM (xv+Ao)

386 The Big Boy's facepalm is one for the ages.

Posted by: Iblis at November 08, 2021 03:08 PM (g6c4t)

387 Ahem. 68. And gun, not bun.

Posted by: mattman26 at November 08, 2021 03:08 PM (1fnam)

388 Thank God the up-talker is done.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 08, 2021 03:08 PM (SBfb1)

389

Every time I shart brown smelly stuff comes out my pee hole. What's up with that?

Posted by: Joey Bidet, Crack SBD Pilot at November 08, 2021 03:08 PM (oKb7q)

390 I guess I'm the contrarian here.

Unless Kyle was directed to go and defend people as part of his job, he had no business being there. He went looking for trouble.

He found it.

Posted by: nurse ratched at November 08, 2021 03:09 PM (6TVfL)

391 Posted by: alexthechick - boobs and hysteria at November 08, 2021 02:59 PM (mf5HN)

Its like the Palestinians who are 'just' throwing rocks...

Right?

Posted by: Goliath, with a splitting headache at November 08, 2021 03:09 PM (oHd/0)

392 "I guess I'm the contrarian here. "

Nope. Not the only one. It was a mistake to be there armed in the first place.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 08, 2021 03:10 PM (wtmsr)

393 Fentanyl Floyd's nephew gots him some nice gold teef and chains. Thanks, Uncle Saint George!

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 08, 2021 03:10 PM (ptqGC)

394 So, deliberations completed by Thanksgiving.

Riots for Thanksgiving weekend and Black Friday?

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at November 08, 2021 03:10 PM (tiR3O)

395 Only three things occupy their thoughts: intoxicants, social acceptance within their wine mom group, and fucking the pool boy.
Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw at November 08, 2021 03:06 PM (II3Gr)
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Or you talking about wine moms, or Mayor Buttplug?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 08, 2021 03:10 PM (SBfb1)

396 >> better gun skills than most cops.

Very low bar.

Posted by: Capital Eff at November 08, 2021 03:10 PM (2xGy+)

397 ross on him.

Doesn't the white crosss mean unarmed, noncombatant?
Posted by: ace at November 08, 2021 02:52 PM (0G13K)

A cross was but a big target for the cong and NVA in Vietnam. I knew several medics who served there. They didn't try to distinguish themselves with it. All carried pistols, some carried rifles with abbreviated ammo loads.

Posted by: My name is Jose Jimanez at November 08, 2021 03:10 PM (Fs5vw)

398 I guess I'm the contrarian here.

Unless Kyle was directed to go and defend people as part of his job, he had no business being there. He went looking for trouble.

He found it.
Posted by: nurse ratched at November 08, 2021 03:09 PM (6TVfL)

Bad decisions, if that's what you believe he made here, aren't necessarily crimes. This comes awfully close to "What was she doing out at that time, dressed like that?" May be true from an advice standpoint, but not a crime.

Posted by: Wally at November 08, 2021 03:10 PM (FJYfm)

399 363 OT, but Bootyjudge is now claiming racism motivated highway underpass designs. Seriously, wtf? How can even wine moms take this seriously?

https://tinyurl.com/unyw3d34
Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 08, 2021 03:04 PM (szbbg)

Woke appeals to mediocre people because it allows them to fail at their real job while still looking like they're doing something valuable.

Posted by: 29Victor at November 08, 2021 03:11 PM (BJKQV)

400

+1 NurseR...

Posted by: Ped Xing at November 08, 2021 03:11 PM (oKb7q)

401 390 I guess I'm the contrarian here.

Unless Kyle was directed to go and defend people as part of his job, he had no business being there. He went looking for trouble.

He found it.
Posted by: nurse ratched at November 08, 2021 03:09 PM (6TVfL)

I kind of agree as far as the idea that I would not have let my kids go. The thing is, it is immaterial- he was there, does that mean he should have just laid down and died as the prosecution is arguing?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 08, 2021 03:11 PM (csEWM)

402 AG Garland has already teed up the civil rights case against Rittenhouse.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at November 08, 2021 03:05 PM (iDcra)

If one of the victims was black this wouldn't be sarcastic. .

Posted by: Just a side note at November 08, 2021 03:11 PM (2DOZq)

403 Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 08, 2021 03:07 PM (P3gRi)

O.K. Thanks But even with most trolls (except for the guy who needs to take an ESL course again) you can understand what they're talking about, even if you don't agree with them. However, plopping down some statement that has no prior reference is just weird.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 08, 2021 03:11 PM (ueGNX)

404 Unless Kyle was directed to go and defend people as part of his job, he had no business being there. He went looking for trouble.

He found it.
Posted by: nurse ratched

Now do pantyfa and blm.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 08, 2021 03:11 PM (OCTRt)

405 In the top photo,is that the prosecutor doing a face palm?

Posted by: vmom - link to Red's fundraiser at November 08, 2021 03:11 PM (YZG/i)

406 I think it's adorable that we think that the nature of the evidence makes a difference in this case.

Posted by: Defenestratus at November 08, 2021 03:11 PM (sfc/A)

407 It was a mistake to be there armed in the first place.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 08, 2021 03:10 PM (wtmsr)

Would it have been a mistake for me to go down there armed? If so, why?

Posted by: grammie winger at November 08, 2021 03:11 PM (45fpk)

408 Riots for Thanksgiving weekend and Black Friday?
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot

The tryptophan troubles are coming.

Posted by: Joe Mama at November 08, 2021 03:11 PM (WmGrA)

409 If Grosskruetz hadn't chased Rittenhouse down he would still have a right bicep. But he did, was then loose with his statements, and for extra credit he was carrying a concealed weapon illegally.
Posted by: LostInSpace at November 08, 2021 02:57 PM (ESLBo)

The problem with Grosskreutz' verbal testimony is that it contradicts the video of the interaction between him and Rittenhouse, which is going to be introduced as evidence.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 08, 2021 03:11 PM (trdmm)

410 Contrarians, you can believe that he shouldn't have gone there armed in the first place, and still recognize he's not guilty.

Try it!

Posted by: mattman26 at November 08, 2021 03:11 PM (1fnam)

411 OT, but Bootyjudge is now claiming racism motivated highway underpass designs. Seriously, wtf? How can even wine moms take this seriously?

https://tinyurl.com/unyw3d34
Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 08, 2021 03:04 PM (szbbg)

That's a long standing claim about how Robert Moses did the design. It's in Caro's biography about Moses. Robert Moses is one of those figures who is immensely important and who know one remembers now.

Here's a reasonably fair article about whether or not it was true. https://tinyurl.com/4pc3ym8z

Posted by: alexthechick - boobs and hysteria at November 08, 2021 03:12 PM (mf5HN)

412 Kyle will be home in time for Stove Top Stuffing.

Posted by: insurgens ad opus at November 08, 2021 03:12 PM (fO42p)

413 And I know that is not what you are arguing nurse- you are just saying if he had not been there this would not have happened, which is true.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 08, 2021 03:12 PM (csEWM)

414 NJ Governor race update: https://tinyurl.com/86jj5u2j

There are still outstanding mail-in ballots and approximately 70,000 provisional ballots to be counted. Murphy's lead is now 66,405 (a 2.6 point difference; of note Trafalgar's last poll had Murphy up by 4.2 points).

Posted by: Revenant at November 08, 2021 03:12 PM (ydlAE)

415 338 I keep seeing people saying that Kyle "Shouldn't have had the gun there. He should have know it would lead to violence." So it's his fault they attacked him.
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Regardless of whether anybody agrees that Kyle should have been in Kenosha that night or not, the fact remains that his behavior on the streets that night was exemplary.

He was polite, helpful, he offered medical assistance to anyone who needed it (regardless of which side they were on), he put out arson fires, and he repeatedly retreated from the group of lefty nutcases who were doing all the damage and shouting profanity at him and threatening to kill him.

At one point he gets some ugly verbal abuse shouted at him by some nasty leftist bitch and he turns to her and politely says with a soft smile "I love you too, ma'am."

IOW, he could not have been less offensive and/or threatening to anyone. He was trying to help keep Kenosha from being destroyed. Maybe he shouldn't have bothered, but he showed himself to be a decent human being and a skilled marksman with remarkable trigger restraint when the lefty mob came after him.

He is a remarkable young man.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--F*ck Joe Biden at November 08, 2021 03:13 PM (k4dH2)

416

+1 mattman26

Posted by: Ped Xing at November 08, 2021 03:13 PM (oKb7q)

417 405 In the top photo,is that the prosecutor doing a face palm?
Posted by: vmom - link to Red's fundraiser at November 08, 2021 03:11 PM (YZG/i)

Yep.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 08, 2021 03:13 PM (csEWM)

418 Kyle will be home in time for Stove Top Stuffing.
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Heh.
Steve Inman doing the play-by-play of this trial would make me watch.

Posted by: SMH - The War has been won, only the battles remain, as usual at November 08, 2021 03:13 PM (/Sj+M)

419 When the riots come to your town or your neighbors. You didn't ask for it. No matter who the rioters are. We need more kyle not less.

Posted by: USNtakim deplorable still. at November 08, 2021 03:13 PM (0OmEj)

420 If you identify as a medic with a White banner and Red Cross (or Red Crescent or Mogen David), then you MUST be Unarmed per the Geneva Conventions.

Posted by: rd at November 08, 2021 02:55 PM (Z32m1)

Hic...burrrp. I'd identify anywhere with Mogen David.

Posted by: Foster Brooks at November 08, 2021 03:13 PM (7bRMQ)

421 392 "I guess I'm the contrarian here. "

Nope. Not the only one. It was a mistake to be there armed in the first place.
Posted by: Marcus T at November 08, 2021 03:10 PM (wtmsr)

It's a mistake to live in NYC. but a lot of people do it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 08, 2021 03:13 PM (trdmm)

422 390 I guess I'm the contrarian here.

Unless Kyle was directed to go and defend people as part of his job, he had no business being there. He went looking for trouble.

He found it.
Posted by: nurse ratched

I agreed above.
I still think he is a hero, but an unnecessary one.
Nevertheless, I hope when the time comes there are many more like him to fight the zombies the Left has produced.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at November 08, 2021 03:13 PM (Ymyz3)

423 Is it possible that the prosecutor is throwing this trial to set an example of how stupid this whole case is regarding self defense during a riot?

That would mean that all other trials/cases must have more details than this one, correct?

This would be similar to a murderer, witnessed by other people at the scene, voice and visuals recorded by multiple witnesses over a timeline right up to the point of death. This citizen is still entitled to his rights getting a defense atty, right?

The difference here is that the ones who died were the ones who brought this whole case through the escalation of events.

Posted by: jdubyaAZ at November 08, 2021 03:13 PM (FQ2t6)

424 390 I guess I'm the contrarian here.

Unless Kyle was directed to go and defend people as part of his job, he had no business being there. He went looking for trouble.

He found it.
Posted by: nurse ratched at November 08, 2021 03:09 PM (6TVfL)
_________________________

So we are supposed to let antifa and Burn Loot Murder burn and loot and murder without any resistance or opposition? (If the fucking cops were doing their jobs that would be a different story, but they ain't so it isn't.) I would say antifa and Burn Loot Murder went looking for trouble and THEY found it.

Posted by: Elric Blade at November 08, 2021 03:13 PM (iFTx/)

425 BLM riots at the Detroit Lions game and the Dallas Cowboy games on Thanksgiving.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at November 08, 2021 03:13 PM (tiR3O)

426
Gregg Grosskreutz...he without the bicep.
Posted by: Tami at November 08, 2021 02:21 PM (cF8AT)
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Call him "Lefty."
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 08, 2021 02:22 PM (SBfb1)

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How about, "The Fiddler Crab?" He could be like a weird bitter comic book villain who plots revenge against humanity, until destroyed by a superhero.

His "thing"could be playing a violin that shoots fentanyl-poisoned arrows into his victims.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at November 08, 2021 03:13 PM (CLLzU)

427 One might argue the violent mobs going around burning things and threatening people shouldn't have been there, but I guess we really are more concerned about mean tweets than a functioning society.

Posted by: squid_hunt at November 08, 2021 03:13 PM (B0mGw)

428 If one of the victims was black this wouldn't be sarcastic. .
Posted by: Just a side note

If the judge won't allow them to be called "victims", you shouldn't use that term either.

They were ASSAILANTS and rioters.

Posted by: Joe Mama at November 08, 2021 03:14 PM (WmGrA)

429 I guess I'm the contrarian here.

Unless Kyle was directed to go and defend people as part of his job, he had no business being there. He went looking for trouble.

He found it.

Posted by: nurse ratched at November 08, 2021 03:09 PM

Gonna disagree here. When we got in a bad crash on I94 on the South side of Chicago one Sunday morning where we got hit and nearly killed by a guy with no insurance, the lawyer for the guy who hit us said the same thing.....it was my fault because if I hadn't been driving there on that day I would not have been almost killed and my truck destroyed.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at November 08, 2021 03:14 PM (JUOKG)

430 He is a remarkable young man.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer--F*ck Joe Biden at November 08, 2021 03:13 PM (k4dH2)

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THIS. And hopefully, soon to be a wealthy one.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 08, 2021 03:14 PM (ptqGC)

431 I think they are trying to argue that the police were afraid of getting shot at with rifle rounds- like the ones they just submitted as evidence against that foul white nationalist Rittenhouse!

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 08, 2021 03:14 PM (csEWM)

432 His mistake was being there alone. There, not there, armed, unarmed, whatever.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 08, 2021 03:14 PM (6FeV1)

433 "This is unfair.
There is no excuse for what the thugs tried to dop Kyle, or for rapists, but there is such a thing as keeping a 17yo out of a situation where he needs an AR to defend himself."

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at November 08, 2021 02:57 PM (Ymyz3)"
==
Can't say how much I disagree with this comment. One it has nothing to do with the trial. And it is a line of thinking that gives Kyle's opponent's permission to think he was in the wrong.

We stand here and wonder when someone will stand up to these Antifa idiots. In my neck of the woods the idiots haven't got a chance. But in Kenosha, this kid went to help, and did some heroic things - for that he was targeted by f**king pieces of s**t.

So a 17 year old kid did stand up. Whoa, acting like an adult, when we decry how much kids refuse to grow up. We should applaud his parents for not creating a go along to get along.

Posted by: Black JEM at November 08, 2021 03:14 PM (V6xwG)

434 He was trying to help keep Kenosha from being destroyed.

And we needed a 1000 more like him. But the governor and the mayor were AWOL. This did NOT happen the first night out. This was an ongoing travesty that should have been stopped. Kyle helped try to stop it when nobody else seemed to give a crap. I had to leave my home.

Posted by: grammie winger at November 08, 2021 03:15 PM (45fpk)

435 Regardless of whether anybody agrees that Kyle should have been in Kenosha that night or not, the fact remains that

if pantyfa and blm had been arrested and not out on the streets, NO ONE would have been there.

Let's place blame properly.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 08, 2021 03:15 PM (OCTRt)

436
Technically a medic should not be armed. But with the Japanese and Viet Cong, forget it. So yeah you packed to defend yourself and your charges.

I will always remember after the fall of Singapore the Japanese going into a hospital full of wounded Australian soldiers and murdering them.
Posted by: Anna Puma at November 08, 2021 02:56 PM (B8kNI)

Ben Salomon, US Army Dentist, received a posthumous Medal of Honor for Saipan. Stayed behind to cover for the wounded at a forward aid station while the Japs attacked (he'd already killed a couple of infiltrating Japs that got into the hospital tent).

Dude went total beast mode with a Garand and machine gun taking down about 100 or more Japs before they finally killed him.

Didn't get the Medal until decades later because the Army worried that he wasn't supposed to be a combatant since he was a doc.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 08, 2021 03:15 PM (n+4am)

437 Medics in the Army are armed, unless they refuse to carry for conscientious objectors....of course it being a volunteer army there are not a lot of COs.

Posted by: sven at November 08, 2021 03:15 PM (Lzpvj)

438 The way things are going for Biden and the dems, it wouldn't surprise me if they felt the need to spin up BLM/Antifa again as a distraction.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at November 08, 2021 03:16 PM (UuD2k)

439 Some people stand up to evil. Others watch from the sideline.

Posted by: Just a side note at November 08, 2021 03:16 PM (2DOZq)

440 C'mon people, get with it. The left has an absolute right to burn down your neighbors house. You have no right to help protect it. If you try to protect it and the left tries to kill you, you have no right to self-defense.

Posted by: irright at November 08, 2021 03:16 PM (SchQD)

441 I guess I'm the contrarian here.

Unless Kyle was directed to go and defend people as part of his job, he had no business being there. He went looking for trouble.

He found it.
Posted by: nurse ratched

Not contrarian, just wrong about what constitutes self defense. Because even if you were stupid to go there, you have no obligation to let yourself be maimed or killed.

Posted by: alexthechick - boobs and hysteria at November 08, 2021 03:16 PM (mf5HN)

442 Too bad Killpatrick Swayze is mort

could have been in the Kyle sequel "Rodehouse II"

Posted by: REDACTED at November 08, 2021 03:16 PM (us2H3)

443 Guarantee you that if this does not go the way they want it to and there is a not guilty verdict, there will be a huge federal civil rights violation investigation and show trial of young Mister rittenhouse.

It is inevitable.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at November 08, 2021 03:08 PM (JUOKG)

Then counter sue under the Federal Statute of taking civil rights under cover of law.

As Double Jeopardy is clearly Unconstitutional.

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 08, 2021 03:16 PM (oHd/0)

444 440 C'mon people, get with it. The left has an absolute right to burn down your neighbors house. You have no right to help protect it. If you try to protect it and the left tries to kill you, you have no right to self-defense.
Posted by: irright at November 08, 2021 03:16 PM (SchQD)

Which is what the prosecution is arguing.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 08, 2021 03:16 PM (csEWM)

445 "Would it have been a mistake for me to go down there armed? If so, why?
Posted by: grammie winger at November 08, 2021 03:11 PM (45fpk)"

Why would you go in the first place? If it's not your property or even your state, and you had not been asked?

Every time you take up arms, you take a calculated risk. Guns are made for one thing, to kill. You take up arms that means you better be prepared to kill- or be killed.

I agree with Kyle's defense. He is completely innocent and the people he shot were scum. But he put himself into this situation, willingly. He should not be surprised he's sitting in as courtroom- that was one potential outcome. Another was being dead, which he's lucky he's not.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 08, 2021 03:16 PM (wtmsr)

446 Unless Kyle was directed to go and defend people as part of his job, he had no business being there. He went looking for trouble.

He found it.

Yes because God forbid a lawful citizen just stood by while a rabid mob burned and destroyed everything in sight. They could be coming to your ton next.

Posted by: Capital Eff believes #RonnaMustGo #McCarthyMustGo #McConnellMustGo at November 08, 2021 03:16 PM (2xGy+)

447 does that mean he should have just laid down and died as the prosecution is arguing?
Posted by: Aetius451AD

Nope.

I'm only stating that he chose to put himself in a dangerous situation.

The scantily dressed girl wandering around at 2am alone? Another poor decision.

Grammie, if they came attacking my home, then I have every right to defend my home.

Posted by: nurse ratched at November 08, 2021 03:17 PM (rfC2s)

448 . He was trying to help keep Kenosha from being destroyed.

during the hell that was blm summer in Philly, neighbors defended their shopping centers, openly brandishing baseball bats, lumber, firearms, whatever would send a msg to the thugs.

and they backed down.

if Kyle made a mistake, it's that he didn't have a force with him

Posted by: kallisto at November 08, 2021 03:17 PM (DJFLF)

449 Except for the fact that Rittenhouse was in pictures helping scrub graffiti off of business walls, putting out fires in dumpsters the rioters set and tended to wounded rioters himself.......yeah real fucking trouble maker. This is why WE WILL LOSE to the left. We will tie our own hands by reasoning ourselves into doing nothing.

Posted by: JROD at November 08, 2021 03:17 PM (0jZnq)

450 Medics in the Army are armed unless they refuse to carry for conscientious objectors....of course, it being a volunteer army, there is not a lot of COs.
Posted by: sven
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Yep.

Posted by: SMH - The War has been won, only the battles remain, as usual at November 08, 2021 03:17 PM (/Sj+M)

451
390 I guess I'm the contrarian here.

Unless Kyle was directed to go and defend people as part of his job, he had no business being there. He went looking for trouble.

He found it.
Posted by: nurse ratched at November 08, 2021 03:09 PM (6TVfL)

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His job was in that town. The police clearly had been instructed to let the town burn. Like in other towns. What is the right thing to do when the police are standing down in the face of something like that?

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at November 08, 2021 03:17 PM (CLLzU)

452
There are still outstanding mail-in ballots and approximately 70,000 provisional ballots to be counted. Murphy's lead is now 66,405 (a 2.6 point difference; of note Trafalgar's last poll had Murphy up by 4.2 points).

Posted by: Revenant at November 08, 2021 03:12 PM

* ears perk up *

70,000 provisional ballots? That could be very interesting.

Posted by: A Scold of Karens at November 08, 2021 03:17 PM (dQvv7)

453 Shart Joe Biden!
Clap-clap, clap-clap-clap.

Posted by: Axeman at November 08, 2021 03:17 PM (XHhHI)

454 and you know, eff these assholes threatening doxxing, lalalalal blahblahblah

they're FOS

the threat only works if people back down and believe them

Posted by: kallisto at November 08, 2021 03:17 PM (DJFLF)

455 BLM riots at the Detroit Lions game and the Dallas Cowboy games on Thanksgiving.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot

Should be more interesting than the game.

Posted by: Joe Mama at November 08, 2021 03:18 PM (WmGrA)

456 Posted by: nurse ratched at November 08, 2021 03:09 PM (6TVfL)

Everyone has the right to defend themselves and others. To claim otherwise is evil.

Posted by: Sjg at November 08, 2021 03:18 PM (gDSJf)

457
* ears perk up *

70,000 provisional ballots? That could be very interesting.
Posted by: A Scold of Karens at November 08, 2021 03:17 PM (dQvv7)
--
The thinking is that the provisionals may break strongly Jack. But we'll see.

Posted by: Revenant at November 08, 2021 03:18 PM (ydlAE)

458 THIS. And hopefully, soon to be a wealthy one.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 08, 2021 03:14 PM (ptqGC)

I don't think he's going to be wealthy, no lawsuits by him will go anywhere. I think he will count himself very blessed just to get out of this with his life.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 08, 2021 03:18 PM (trdmm)

459 A medic with an M16 almost killed me in Vietnam, so I know at least some of them were armed.

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at November 08, 2021 03:18 PM (0B/5D)

460 Why would you go in the first place? If it's not your property or even your state, and you had not been asked?

Friends there. Job there. Had been asked.

Posted by: grammie winger at November 08, 2021 03:18 PM (45fpk)

461 With all the coverage of the trial at Legalinsurrection.com I have mostly avoided it, wish I hadn't. Maybe should go back and read it all because I'm lost now.

Posted by: Skip at November 08, 2021 03:18 PM (2JoB8)

462 I guess the Nephew, Mr. Cortez, did not share in the ill-gotten bounty of the $27,000,000 given freely by the Minneapolis Mayor from the taxpayer fund to Floyd George's family.

Is it not a felony to threaten jurors or judges?

Also, Floyd George would have been dead within 2 weeks from his horrific cardiac disease and bad choices. His obituary would have been a blurb shorter than this comment.

He died from 2 of China's biggest exports; Fentanyl via Jalicsco Nuevos Generaciones Cartel in Tijuana and COVID.

Posted by: Donovan Nuera at November 08, 2021 03:18 PM (iucaD)

463 All my Docs carried a pistol. Quakers are the exception but I never met any in the Marines. They typically don't join any service.

Posted by: Puddin Head at November 08, 2021 03:18 PM (ifUkZ)

464 Some people are born to run into danger. Some as heroes, others as criminals.

Posted by: vmom - link to Red's fundraiser at November 08, 2021 03:18 PM (YZG/i)

465 How dare he freely travel as an American citizen in the United States of Antifa...

good call, it is like Henry the Vth said of St Crispin's Day-and while Soibois and Phreaks amarch do as they wont....

we many we very many shall tell our grandkids we laid abed here on St Crispin's Day....

//Shit Henry never really said

Posted by: sven at November 08, 2021 03:19 PM (Lzpvj)

466 Kyle, like you, had every right to be wherever the EFF he likes, armed however he likes.

There is no justification for tyranny, you gutless clowns. You are a coward if you assert that unprovoked violence is ever justified. You're the kind of person who'd drop a dime on a relative to a 3-letter agency.

You are not my countrymen.

Posted by: insurgens ad opus at November 08, 2021 03:19 PM (fO42p)

467 Maybe lost in all the comments of what he should or shouldn't have done is the fact that after some of these idiots got shot, the burning and looting stopped. When this was all a fun game with no downside (and the absence of law enforcement made it that for antifa), the destruction continued, in Mpls, Kenosha, wherever.
But once someone showed them the downside, the cowards slinked off.

Posted by: Wally at November 08, 2021 03:19 PM (FJYfm)

468 Unless Kyle was directed to go and defend people as part of his job, he had no business being there. He went looking for trouble.

He found it.
Posted by: nurse ratched at November 08, 2021 03:09 PM (6TVfL)
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Right, and he had no business walking around with a fire extinguisher putting out fires--which is put him on Rosenbaum's radar.

Posted by: Axeman at November 08, 2021 03:19 PM (XHhHI)

469 Why isn't lefty being prosecuted for attempted murder, or at least assault?

Posted by: LASue at November 08, 2021 03:20 PM (Ed8Zd)

470 Hills, they do a community good.

Posted by: SFGoth at November 08, 2021 03:20 PM (KAi1n)

471 I'm only stating that he chose to put himself in a dangerous situation.

The scantily dressed girl wandering around at 2am alone? Another poor decision.

Grammie, if they came attacking my home, then I have every right to defend my home.
Posted by: nurse ratched at November 08, 2021 03:17 PM (rfC2s)

Sure it was dangerous. He went prepared though. You know helping neighbors and not hoping to be eaten last.

The scantily clad woman walking alone at 2:00am is different. She is taking not precautions. She's not trying to do anything noble. She's just being stupid and likely is drunk.

Posted by: WiNO at November 08, 2021 03:20 PM (EpDzw)

472 Kyle shot 3, 1 lived, and he is the guy who calls himself a medic. A medic who carries a pistol. And is now minus a bicep.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at November 08, 2021 02:19 PM (jTmQV)

Grosskreutz was disarmed by Rittenhouse. The Kenosha hat trick
Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at November 08, 2021 02:21 PM (CjHGv)

Score Streak unlocked - UAV...

Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at November 08, 2021 03:20 PM (8D42x)

473 George Floyd was an acceptable bouncer at the club he and Chauvin worked. He was a horrible drug dealer. The fake $20s he was trying to pass is evidence of his failure as a drug dealer.

Posted by: Puddin Head at November 08, 2021 03:20 PM (ifUkZ)

474 In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at November 08, 2021 03:20 PM (M+Lyo)

475 466 Kyle, like you, had every right to be wherever the EFF he likes, armed however he likes.

There is no justification for tyranny, you gutless clowns. You are a coward if you assert that unprovoked violence is ever justified. You're the kind of person who'd drop a dime on a relative to a 3-letter agency.

You are not my countrymen.
Posted by: insurgens ad opus at November 08, 2021 03:19 PM (fO42p)

Not what they are saying.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 08, 2021 03:20 PM (csEWM)

476 Nurse,

In the context of the events that is moot. Kyle was there. And he was targeted by a pack of savages even as he tried to escape them.

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 08, 2021 03:20 PM (B8kNI)

477 469 Why isn't lefty being prosecuted for attempted murder, or at least assault?
Posted by: LASue at November 08, 2021 03:20 PM (Ed8Zd)

You know why.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 08, 2021 03:20 PM (csEWM)

478
With all due respect... we have witnessed over and over again as federal, state, and local police forces have ignored or participated in widespread violence by Leftist street armies. I won't hold it against anyone for undertaking to do the job their duly-empowered official authorities refuse to do.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 08, 2021 03:21 PM (/KPLX)

479 He found it.

Posted by: nurse ratched at November 08, 2021 03:09 PM (6TVfL)

True, but that is a species instinct for young men, and not everyone goes military

Posted by: Kindltot at November 08, 2021 03:21 PM (P9T5R)

480 380 Truth is Kyle stood up for right to repair or stop the riots. Armed because he knew it was dangerous.. Rioters attacked him, he shot back in self defense(effectively) He's got stones. we need more of him. That is why he's on trial because they are scared shitless there are more of him. Also true yeah there are more just like him. I served with them. The time is coming that we all need to be just like kyle and stand the fuck up!
Posted by: USNtakim deplorable still. at November 08, 2021 03:07 PM (0OmEj

Agree.

Posted by: My name is Jose Jimanez at November 08, 2021 03:21 PM (Fs5vw)

481 With a fire extinguisher, Kyle went looking for fires.

And he found some.

Posted by: Axeman at November 08, 2021 03:21 PM (XHhHI)

482 Gonna disagree here. When we got in a bad crash on I94 on the South side of Chicago one Sunday morning where we got hit and nearly killed by a guy with no insurance, the lawyer for the guy who hit us said the same thing.....it was my fault because if I hadn't been driving there on that day I would not have been almost killed and my truck destroyed.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at November 08, 2021 03:14 PM (JUOKG)

Not even close.

Kyle went looking for trouble.

Of course he had the right to defend himself and I hope he wins and sues the shit out of everyone involved.

And no, the girl doesn't deserve to be raped.

But, jees. Don't go looking for trouble.

Posted by: nurse ratched at November 08, 2021 03:21 PM (v3rvc)

483 Cortez Rice should be arrested immediately for violating 18 USC 1503. Attempting to influence or injure a juror or judge.

Posted by: LASue at November 08, 2021 03:21 PM (Ed8Zd)

484 474 In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot
Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at November 08, 2021 03:20 PM (M+Lyo)

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^^^^^

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 08, 2021 03:22 PM (ptqGC)

485 "Unless Kyle was directed to go and defend people as part of his job, he had no business being there."

Awesome. We are now at the "State your business" phase of the police state.

Land of the (Kinda) Free.

Awesome.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at November 08, 2021 03:22 PM (Hudry)

486 Wait til Biden chimes in and tells the judge what to do next.

Posted by: m at November 08, 2021 03:22 PM (cME97)

487 469 Posted by: LASue at November 08, 2021 03:20 PM (Ed8Zd)

The FIB was there with drones, observing the AO and conveniently "lost" HD footage showing the SoiBoi antics...

why it is almost as though they were in fact the C3 for one side.

Posted by: sven at November 08, 2021 03:22 PM (Lzpvj)

488 Medics in the Army are armed unless they refuse to carry for conscientious objectors....of course, it being a volunteer army, there is not a lot of COs.
Posted by: sven

When I drove the ambulance gamma goat for our battalion in Germany in the medics all had 45's. And yes we had the red cross symbol on everything and I carried my M16 with the 203 grenade launcher in my vehicle.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at November 08, 2021 03:22 PM (JUOKG)

489 So, is there anyone in Antifa who doesn't have a German surname?

Posted by: Thatch at November 08, 2021 03:22 PM (qWceQ)

490 So a 17 year old kid did stand up. Whoa, acting like an adult, when we decry how much kids refuse to grow up. We should applaud his parents for not creating a go along to get along.
Posted by: Black JEM

You are leaving out an important point. He went and acted like an adult, except the part where he wandered off on his own.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at November 08, 2021 03:22 PM (Ymyz3)

491 Grammie, if they came attacking my home, then I have every right to defend my home.
Posted by: nurse ratched at November 08, 2021 03:17 PM (rfC2s)

So, where does your "home" end? Your house? Your yard? Your neighbor's house and yard? Your neighborhood? Your city? Your county? Your country?

Sometimes, when there is a war on, you have to take the fight to the enemy.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 08, 2021 03:22 PM (P3gRi)

492 Here's scogg, right on cue, cranking that fucker to 11 and having a righteous holy argument with no one in particular.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 08, 2021 03:22 PM (6FeV1)

493 "Friends there. Job there. Had been asked.
Posted by: grammie winger at November 08, 2021 03:18 PM (45fpk)"

Really? Asked to do what exactly? Shoot bad guys? Act as an arm of law enforcement?

Like I said. It was as a choice to be there armed. That choice came with consequences. It was a volatile situation with lots of shitheads running around who were virtually impervious to any prosecution or restraint. We were watching these people burn down the country. He chose to jump right in, armed. There aren't any real surprises here.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 08, 2021 03:22 PM (wtmsr)

494 He found it.

Posted by: nurse ratched

I must respectfully disagree, Most Excellent Nurse.

Kyle Rittenhouse founded this country, freed the slaves and served in all our wars. There should be a thousand Kyle Rittenhouses showing up every time the Left tries to burn our country. That they are not speaks to how far we have fallen as a nation.

Posted by: Sharkman at November 08, 2021 03:22 PM (jG9Nj)

495
The thinking is that the provisionals may break strongly Jack. But we'll see.

Posted by: Revenant at November 08, 2021 03:18 PM

That was my first knee-jerk response. Who but (R)'s would have their ballot marked as provisional?

Posted by: Traitor Joe's Military Surplus, Vaccine and Massage Parlor at November 08, 2021 03:22 PM (dQvv7)

496 "But, jees. Don't go looking for trouble."

Are we under the impression this stops in Kenosha? Next year is a huge election year. This crap starts up again starting in June of 2022. Let's hope you don't find yourself and your family looking for trouble as rioters burn down the city around you.

Posted by: squid_hunt at November 08, 2021 03:23 PM (B0mGw)

497 Posted by: Marcus T at November 08, 2021 03:16 PM (wtmsr)

Yes he chose to put himself in that potential situation that turned into a reality. So what?

Posted by: Just a side note at November 08, 2021 03:23 PM (2DOZq)

498 Unless Kyle was directed to go and defend people as part of his job, he had no business being there. He went looking for trouble.

He found it.
Posted by: nurse ratched
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I don't agree. Kyle wasn't just out randomly "looking for trouble." He was connected to Kenosha. His father lived in Kenosha. He himself had lived there and worked there, and he knew the city and had friends there. It was under attack, and he felt compelled to go and help defend it out of a sense of civic duty.

Yes, it was dangerous and maybe it was also stupid, but his motives were good and he doesn't deserve to be blamed for what happened. The leftist assholes who were burning down the city and trying to kill Kyle are the ones at fault, along with the disgusting politicians and media that promote and enable these vile leftist thugs and continually make excuses for their wanton violence and destruction.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--F*ck Joe Biden at November 08, 2021 03:23 PM (k4dH2)

499 I don't like this bicep talk

Posted by: Michelle Fields at November 08, 2021 03:23 PM (ufFY8)

500 "Grosskreutz is/was an antifa medic, I think, who was also carrying a concealed gun."

If not already mentioned - Grosskreutz was carrying concealed ON AN EXPIRED LICENSE.

Posted by: CZ = FNG To Remain Silent Because, FNG at November 08, 2021 03:23 PM (MkuC5)

501 FWIW - it's scary as heck to watch your town go up in flames, to see your friend's gas station torched, to hear sirens and phone alerts and 'STAY IN YOUR HOME" on bullhorns. Night after night, you don't know what will come next. Thank God for Kyle. Thank God.

Posted by: grammie winger at November 08, 2021 03:23 PM (45fpk)

502 That's exactly what they are saying. That he is in any way responsible for being the subject of persecution right this moment. His decisions - to freely and peaceably assemble wherever the fuck he likes is subordinated to the evil intent of would-be local warlords.

No, sir. Not buying it.

Posted by: insurgens ad opus at November 08, 2021 03:23 PM (fO42p)

503 482 Posted by: nurse ratched at November 08, 2021 03:21 PM (v3rvc)

Look out your window, if the sun is shining you see sun....

Rittenhouse looked outside and saw a defacto state condoned wilding going on.

I do not advocate for others to do as he did, but I will not condemn him for it either.

Posted by: sven at November 08, 2021 03:23 PM (Lzpvj)

504 When I drove the ambulance gamma goat for our battalion in Germany in the medics all had 45's. And yes we had the red cross symbol on everything and I carried my M16 with the 203 grenade launcher in my vehicle.
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Loved the Gamm Goat. It could go anywhere. The problem was never to put any troops in the rear. It had a habit of eating fingers.

Posted by: Puddin Head at November 08, 2021 03:23 PM (ifUkZ)

505 This isn't like the young girl going out with a short skirt and getting raped.

This is like the young girl going out with a short skirt and a handgun and killing two men trying to rape her.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the 30s with John Ford, again at November 08, 2021 03:24 PM (LvTSG)

506 If I recall, Kyle's place of employment was in the burn zone and he went there to prevent that.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at November 08, 2021 03:24 PM (jTmQV)

507 But, jees. Don't go looking for trouble.

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Many parts of me agree with Nurse Ratched. Of course, as others have pointed out, some citizens will have to bear this burden since the police are less willing and less able to do so. As far as the legal issue, it should not matter, but of course it does to some extent.

Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at November 08, 2021 03:24 PM (sX1BW)

508

If Ida been there I would have cropdusted em! Low and slow, strafing as I went. Hanging low swing and free!

Posted by: Joey Bidet, Crack SBD Pilot at November 08, 2021 03:24 PM (oKb7q)

509 Awesome. We are now at the "State your business" phase of the police state.

Land of the (Kinda) Free.

Awesome.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot

The Kenosha police deputized the groups lije the one Rittenhouse was part of to take actions to help defend the city.

Posted by: Sharkman at November 08, 2021 03:25 PM (jG9Nj)

510 "If I recall, Kyle's place of employment was in the burn zone and he went there to prevent that."

...because he's a racist.

Posted by: squid_hunt at November 08, 2021 03:25 PM (B0mGw)

511
Friends there. Job there. Had been asked.
Posted by: grammie winger

Then where were his friends? Why were they not right beside him?

Posted by: nurse ratched at November 08, 2021 03:25 PM (v3rvc)

512 We are in the beginning of a civil war. Don't know what the fuck some of you here have been watching for the last year and a half. Just this last week antifa attacking an anti-vax demonstration in Boston. George Floyds cousin/BLM threatening judges and jurors. Hey does anyone remember the riots last summer and a stolen election?

Posted by: JROD at November 08, 2021 03:25 PM (0jZnq)

513 Saying Rittenhouse "went looking for trouble" is a bit like saying a regular dude running into a burning building being ignored by the fire department to save people is "playing with fire".

Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 08, 2021 03:25 PM (6FeV1)

514 The Floyd Family...what model citizens.

Posted by: Lady in Black at November 08, 2021 03:25 PM (sVtYq)

515
Those riots ended the morning after he took out that Commie trash. Mission accomplished.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 08, 2021 03:25 PM (/KPLX)

516 "This is like the young girl going out with a short skirt and a handgun and killing two men trying to rape her."

And then being put on trial for lawfully defending herself.

Posted by: squid_hunt at November 08, 2021 03:25 PM (B0mGw)

517 The thinking is that the provisionals may break strongly Jack. But we'll see.

Posted by: Revenant at November 08, 2021 03:18 PM

Thanks for the update. I know someone who is ballot challenger who is going up to our county BOE tomorrow.
Even in NJ I find it hard to believe that Murphy would win without massive fraud. He caused too much chaos.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 08, 2021 03:26 PM (ueGNX)

518 Posted by: nurse ratched at November 08, 2021 03:21 PM (v3rvc)

Yes, just let the mob burn everything down. How dare someone "look for trouble" by standing up for peace and order.

Just like all those idiots in Lexington and Concord that went looking for trouble instead of just handing over their guns to the British like good subject.

Posted by: Sjg at November 08, 2021 03:26 PM (gDSJf)

519 But, jees. Don't go looking for trouble.
Posted by: nurse ratched at November 08, 2021 03:21 PM (v3rvc)

Yeah, wait until it finds you and no one else will help you. Good thinking.

Posted by: WiNO at November 08, 2021 03:26 PM (EpDzw)

520 490 Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at November 08, 2021 03:22 PM (Ymyz3)

Is it a testament to our restraint as a nation or an indictment of our cowardice that we allowed the state to defacto condone brigandage?

Posted by: sven at November 08, 2021 03:26 PM (Lzpvj)

521 Actually Nurse, his armed friends have been put on the witness stand by the persecution and have backed up Kyle's defense.

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 08, 2021 03:26 PM (B8kNI)

522 When I drove the ambulance gamma goat for our battalion in Germany in the medics all had 45's. And yes we had the red cross symbol on everything and I carried my M16 with the 203 grenade launcher in my vehicle.
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Loved the Gamm Goat. It could go anywhere. The problem was never to put any troops in the rear. It had a habit of eating fingers.

Posted by: Puddin Head at November 08, 2021 03:23 PM

We had a double rack of stretchers in the back for causalities. I just drove around for the most part, me and the medics, and yes that thing was a beast.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at November 08, 2021 03:26 PM (JUOKG)

523 Cortez Rice should be arrested immediately for violating 18 USC 1503. Attempting to influence or injure a juror or judge.
Posted by: LASue at November 08, 2021 03:21 PM (Ed8Zd)

And this is why I can't bring myself to criticize Rittenhouse. Because Rice isn't going to be charged. Just like the people who burned and looted cities all over the US that summer. Just like the losers who were attacking Kenosha. We were (and likely still are) at the point of standing up and doing law enforcement's job, because law enforcement wasn't about to do it.

How bad does Kenosha get without Rittenhouse there? I don't know, but is there any reason to believe it was going to get better without armed intervention?

Posted by: Wally at November 08, 2021 03:26 PM (FJYfm)

524 Unless Kyle was directed to go and defend people as part of his job, he had no business being there. He went looking for trouble.

He found it.

Sorry, you are wrong, he was asked by management to be there, testimony was that he was directed to the second lot to put out fires caused by arsonists. Rosenbaum was one of those arsonists. Arsonists often kill people with their arson, and are considered dangerous by law enforcement.

Your argument, unless you are being socked, reduces to "She was asking for it by wearing those clothes." Ridiculous argument.

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at November 08, 2021 03:26 PM (0B/5D)

525 @511 nurse ratchet-maybe Kyles friends were too busy posting up comments at a political blog to be beside him(?)

Posted by: JROD at November 08, 2021 03:26 PM (0jZnq)

526 If you have to defend your house while standing at the front door you probably waited too long to act

Posted by: Kindltot at November 08, 2021 03:26 PM (P9T5R)

527 Thank God for Kyle. Thank God.
Posted by: grammie winger at November 08, 2021 03:23 PM (45fpk)
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Amen!

That young man has more testicular fortitude in his toe nail than most men have in their wives' purses.

Posted by: insurgens ad opus at November 08, 2021 03:27 PM (fO42p)

528 Then where were his friends? Why were they not right beside him?
Posted by: nurse ratched at November 08, 2021 03:25 PM (v3rvc)

The guy who was with him went somewhere for something that I cannot remember that all the streamers were making fun of him for. His buddy left him, not the other way around, from what I understand.

The dead pedo had told him and his buddy before that if he found him alone he would kill them, and then he found Kyle alone.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 08, 2021 03:27 PM (csEWM)

529 >>>I guess I'm the contrarian here.
He went looking for trouble.
He found it.
Posted by: nurse ratched

And none of that is an actual crime. Wisconsin does not have the Uber woke "Duty to Retreat" meaning yes you can go into a situation with an understanding that it might be a confrontation so long as you don't provoke the confrontation yourself. So unless Kyle said or did something that provoked the threats and assaults on him, the fact that he knew confrontation was likely is irrelevant.
As it should be.
-They are willing to use violence to silence dissenting opinion. This is illegal.
-We have a right to voice dissenting political opinion. If we are attacked for doing so we have a right to defend ourselves.
-We are under no obligation moral or legal to be silent so *they* don't get violent.
-If we perceive violent conflict as a possible and/or likely outcome legally we can take legal measures to be prepared to protect ourselves.
We absolutely cannot allow their threats of violence to define when we can speak.

Posted by: mikethemoose at November 08, 2021 03:27 PM (T/vhV)

530 Awesome. We are now at the "State your business" phase of the police state.

Land of the (Kinda) Free.

Awesome.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot
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We've surpassed "Papers, please".

Next is, sometimes a cop has to choke a bitch!

Posted by: Axeman at November 08, 2021 03:27 PM (XHhHI)

531 But, jees. Don't go looking for trouble.
Posted by: nurse ratched at November 08, 2021 03:21 PM (v3rvc)

Then we'd have no Police... or Firemen... or military.

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 08, 2021 03:27 PM (oHd/0)

532

Goats?! Where!?

Posted by: Hunter Bidet, Running Down Jill's Inner Thigh at November 08, 2021 03:27 PM (oKb7q)

533 It was pretty obviously self-defense from the very beginning. But process can be the punishment when your side controls all the levers of power.

Posted by: Match Checksout at November 08, 2021 03:27 PM (dYe5S)

534 Just like all those idiots in Lexington and Concord that went looking for trouble instead of just handing over their guns to the British like good subject.

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This is where being on the right side of history is a benefit. Sometimes the right side is just the winning side. Sometimes it is both the moral and winning side.

Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at November 08, 2021 03:28 PM (sX1BW)

535 That was my first knee-jerk response. Who but (R)'s would have their ballot marked as provisional?
Posted by: Traitor Joe's Military Surplus, Vaccine and Massage Parlor at November 08, 2021 03:22 PM (dQvv7)
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It didn't help that the NJ dems just revamped New Jersey's voting laws to allow for early voting (a first for NJ) and expanded VBM.

Alot of voters didn't realize that they couldn't vote in person if they received a VBM ballot, etc. There were also wifi / tech problems in some precincts (because of course, there is new tech where you sign a tablet screen instead of the voting book).

I wouldn't be surprised to see the provisionals break for Jack, but it's likely not enough to win.

Republicans will need to get better at playing the VBM game. Dems goose their turnout by getting low-propensity voters to vote by mail. GOP needs to identify its low-propensity voters and push them to VBM. (Or else, change the laws to restrict VBM, but good luck doing that in NJ).

Posted by: Revenant at November 08, 2021 03:28 PM (ydlAE)

536 Those riots ended the morning after he took out that Commie trash. Mission accomplished.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 08, 2021 03:25 PM (/KPLX)
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The dispositive point.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 08, 2021 03:28 PM (SBfb1)

537 Rittenhouse, 17 at the time, fatally shot an unarmed Joseph Rosenbaum, 36, in a parking lot and then tried to flee. A crowd followed his movements and Rittenhouse then shot twice at an unarmed unknown individual, fatally shot an unarmed Anthony Huber, 26, and shot Grosskreutz in the arm.

Unarmed apparently means unable to kill or injure.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at November 08, 2021 03:28 PM (0ryfU)

538 Rittenhouse's decision to be there that night may be relevant to any civil suit he might bring, but I don't see how it is to a defense to a criminal charge of murder.

Posted by: SFGoth at November 08, 2021 03:28 PM (KAi1n)

539 I'll get right on that.

Hahahahaha.

Posted by: Myrrick Girland at November 08, 2021 03:28 PM (WmGrA)

540 Long story short, if the very COPS whom you pay with your tax dollars are going to stand around DOING NOTHING to prevent arsonists and BLM/Anitfa riots, then yes, you will get vigilantism.
Likewise Soros DA's who will not prosecute anyone anytime for any thing.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at November 08, 2021 03:28 PM (jTmQV)

541 if pantyfa and blm had been arrested and not out on the streets, NO ONE would have been there.

Let's place blame properly.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 08, 2021 03:15 PM (OCTRt)

^^^^ This.

Posted by: LASue at November 08, 2021 03:28 PM (Ed8Zd)

542 505 Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the 30s with John Ford, again at November 08, 2021 03:24 PM (LvTSG)

Absolutely, she has a duty to be a victim or to not wear that dress, or to not walk around unescorted...

the path to Sharia is shiny I guess.

Posted by: sven at November 08, 2021 03:29 PM (Lzpvj)

543 Then where were his friends? Why were they not right beside him?
Posted by: nurse ratched at November 08, 2021 03:25 PM (v3rvc)

His one friend went with him and is being charged for buying the gun Kyle used. Really, your opinion is going to be that anyone who does anything deserves to be criticized unless they are properly sanctioned by the state. That's the attitude of a serf.

Posted by: WiNO at November 08, 2021 03:29 PM (EpDzw)

544
Many parts of me agree with Nurse Ratched. Of course, as others have pointed out, some citizens will have to bear this burden since the police are less willing and less able to do so. As far as the legal issue, it should not matter, but of course it does to some extent.
Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at November 08, 2021 03:24 PM (sX1BW)

Wow. Really taking a firm stand there, aren't you?

Posted by: My name is Jose Jimanez at November 08, 2021 03:29 PM (Fs5vw)

545 "You are leaving out an important point. He went and acted like an adult, except the part where he wandered off on his own.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at November 08, 2021 03:22 PM (Ymyz3)"
==
Not your strongest come back. People get in situations where they get in a tight spot, sometimes due to an obvious mistake, sometimes for just getting caught up in the "fog of war." Adults, teens and kids. You suggest adults never get caught out on a limb, that is silly. And also untrue.

Posted by: Black JEM at November 08, 2021 03:29 PM (V6xwG)

546 That's a long standing claim about how Robert Moses did the design. It's in Caro's biography about Moses. Robert Moses is one of those figures who is immensely important and who know one remembers now.
Posted by: alexthechick - boobs and hysteria at November 08, 2021 03:12 PM (mf5HN)

In Re: Highway underpasses, JD Vance has a pretty good response to this question

https://tinyurl.com/y4br4uwy

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 08, 2021 03:29 PM (szbbg)

547 *waves to Sven*

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 08, 2021 03:29 PM (B8kNI)

548 But process can be the punishment when your side controls all the levers of power.

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Judges are supposed to be the gate keepers to a lot of this malicious prosecution. They need to start taking this role more seriously.

Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at November 08, 2021 03:29 PM (sX1BW)

549 There is no excuse for what the thugs tried to dop Kyle, or for rapists, but there is such a thing as keeping a 17yo out of a situation where he needs an AR to defend himself."
==
Its kind of like the heckler's veto. If level headed people can't show up at a "protest" it will just be rioters. I'd not want my kid to do what he did, but I'd rather not see him jailed. Assuming his firearm was legal, licensed. You can open carry. It doesn't matter if it is a handgun or a rifle. He only shot people who were trying to hurt him. He didn't spray the crowd.

People think rules control violence. That is only typical in the suburbs. Violence controls violence in most of the rest of this country. That's what came to the suburbs with this rioting. Emotionally, for a sense of safety, you want the suburban rules to apply. Would be nice, but those days are closing out.

Posted by: its not going to be pretty at November 08, 2021 03:29 PM (e5ETY)

550 "Unarmed apparently means unable to kill or injure."

No, man. HE SHOT HIS ARM OFF.

Posted by: squid_hunt at November 08, 2021 03:30 PM (B0mGw)

551 Wow. Really taking a firm stand there, aren't you?
Posted by: My name is Jose Jimanez at November 08, 2021 03:29 PM (Fs5vw)

We are not arguing with an enemy here.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 08, 2021 03:30 PM (csEWM)

552 I'm not sure I'll be able to formulate a verdict on this case until I hear from Barack Obama, ward heeler of the American dream.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at November 08, 2021 03:30 PM (+xGNi)

553 485 "Unless Kyle was directed to go and defend people as part of his job, he had no business being there."

yes and fuck you

Posted by: REDACTED at November 08, 2021 03:31 PM (us2H3)

554 541 if pantyfa and blm had been arrested and not out on the streets, NO ONE would have been there.

Let's place blame properly.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 08, 2021 03:15 PM (OCTRt)

^^^^ This.
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Right. Those three losers shoulda stayed home to eat Hot Pockets instead of looking for bullets to catch. Play stupid games...

Posted by: insurgens ad opus at November 08, 2021 03:31 PM (fO42p)

555 I don't get it. Either this was defense against the rampaging hordes, or it was him going about his business in a town he is connected to.

If it was rampaging hordes, he should have stayed with his group.

Either it was a dangerous situation of it wasn't. He acted like it wasn't. He did not understand the risk those people represented until they started chasing him.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at November 08, 2021 03:31 PM (Ymyz3)

556 "Looking for trouble." Maybe. But the fact is he was carrying a legal weapon in a legally proscribed manner, and he had a right to use same in self-defense.

Posted by: CZ = FNG To Remain Silent Because, FNG at November 08, 2021 03:31 PM (MkuC5)

557 547 Posted by: Anna Puma at November 08, 2021 03:29 PM (B8kNI)

Bon jour, hope you are well.

Posted by: sven at November 08, 2021 03:32 PM (Lzpvj)

558 A group of thugs were burning down the town, and the guy with the fire extinguisher was *the guy* looking for trouble.

Posted by: Axeman at November 08, 2021 03:32 PM (XHhHI)

559 Just feel a need to share a story about a woman with cancer who had been teaching at a Christian school in WI for decades. She has has to go into hospice. Her students came to sing to her:

https://tinyurl.com/ej6suhbf

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 08, 2021 03:32 PM (ueGNX)

560 So I'm in line at Chic Fil A behind a truck from Gun Barrel City TX. ( I'm in WA)
Sounds like my kinda town!

Posted by: Diogenes at November 08, 2021 03:32 PM (ltIz7)

561 Then where were his friends? Why were they not right beside him?

Posted by: nurse ratched

They were there, but he got separated from them during the madness.

Posted by: Sharkman at November 08, 2021 03:32 PM (M8yB3)

562 >>>Rittenhouse's decision to be there that night may be relevant to any civil suit he might bring

That's still going to be a hard one to prove given the wanton destruction anyone had a viable interest in minimizing or preventing it. And that in doing so confrontation may ensue isn't sufficient to establish wrongful death.

Posted by: mikethemoose at November 08, 2021 03:32 PM (T/vhV)

563 >>512 Hey does anyone remember the riots last summer and a stolen election?

I remember them well. It's unfortunate we have so many weak minded people on our side.

Posted by: Capital Eff believes #RonnaMustGo #McCarthyMustGo #McConnellMustGo at November 08, 2021 03:32 PM (2xGy+)

564 Veterans Day is coming up, with all the "Thank you for your service" stuff.

This also includes the trolls posting tripe like, "They deserve no sympathy. They shouldn't have signed up to fight in illegal wars in the first place. They brought their troubles upon themselves."

The military is filled with men and women who felt called to do something, especially after 9/11.

Did they ask for trouble?

Posted by: SMH - The War has been won, only the battles remain, as usual at November 08, 2021 03:32 PM (/Sj+M)

565 Friends there. Job there. Had been asked.
Posted by: grammie winger

Then where were his friends? Why were they not right beside him?
Posted by: nurse ratched at November 08, 2021 03:25 PM (v3rvc)

Im a little surprised at this line of inquiry

Posted by: LASue at November 08, 2021 03:32 PM (Ed8Zd)

566 Even in NJ I find it hard to believe that Murphy would win without massive fraud. He caused too much chaos.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 08, 2021 03:26 PM (ueGNX)
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Fraud can't be discounted. But the problem is being able to show / prove fraud. Jack's attorneys haven't come up with any (the Bergen-county ballot dump apparently were mail-in ballots that weren't included in the machine totals).

If we can't prove / show fraud, all we can do is try to adapt to the changes that are outside of our control and try to think of a new way to win.

Posted by: Revenant at November 08, 2021 03:33 PM (ydlAE)

567 Its kind of like the heckler's veto. If level headed people can't show up at a "protest" it will just be rioters.

Or, in the case of J6, glowies.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 08, 2021 03:33 PM (OCTRt)

568 I've sharted bigger than Kyle Rittenhouse!

Posted by: Joe Biden at November 08, 2021 03:34 PM (XHhHI)

569 I guess I'm the contrarian here. Unless Kyle was directed to go and defend people as part of his job, he had no business being there. He went looking for trouble. He found it.
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You are right. Kyle Rittenhouse and the dozens of others trying to keep the peace should not have been there.

The person that murdered Joseph Rosenbaum and Huber was Governor Tony Evers, not Kyle. Evers should have called out the National Guard and flooded Kenosha after the first night of rioting. 2,000-3,000 National guard and there are NO RIOTS. The only reason Rosenbaum attacked Kyle was he was young, alone and vulnerable. 2,000 Guard on the streets and insane or not, Rosenbaum slinks away and lives. Huber and Gosskreutz point, yell, and scream, but go home safely. If the Guard was there on the 3rd night? No Arson, No Riots, No Dead.

Sure they had police. The police protected City Hall and the Court House BADLY. The trial is being held in a court room where they broke out the windows in the riots. The business districts and neighborhoods? There were NO POLICE. Kyle and others stepped up.

Posted by: rd at November 08, 2021 03:34 PM (Z32m1)

570 Just a reminder: Antifa stalked, shot and killed a guy in Portland that attended a Patriot's Prayer rally. They've never charged anyone for it.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at November 08, 2021 03:34 PM (5HBd1)

571 Not your strongest come back. People get in situations where they get in a tight spot, sometimes due to an obvious mistake, sometimes for just getting caught up in the "fog of war." Adults, teens and kids. You suggest adults never get caught out on a limb, that is silly. And also untrue.
Posted by: Black JEM

Why does everyone insist on linking his being there to how he reacted?

1. I think he screwed up in not being serious about the threat and wandering off.

2. I think he acted in self defense, is a hero, and the world is a better place for men like him.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at November 08, 2021 03:34 PM (Ymyz3)

572 564 Posted by: SMH - The War has been won, only the battles remain, as usual at November 08, 2021 03:32 PM (/Sj+M)

Eh the wife was already there, 9/11 kind of made it so we hung out 20 more years.

I'm tired, and I think I am on the edge of depression.

Posted by: sven at November 08, 2021 03:34 PM (Lzpvj)

573 Even the court reporter or clerk in that video looks like, "Hooooo boy. We're done here."

Posted by: LASue at November 08, 2021 03:34 PM (Ed8Zd)

574 538 Rittenhouse's decision to be there that night may be relevant to any civil suit he might bring, but I don't see how it is to a defense to a criminal charge of murder.
Posted by: SFGoth at November 08, 2021 03:28 PM (KAi1n)

The defense is that his actions were forced and that he had a legal right under Wisconsin law to use force to protect himself from serious injury and/or death. Andrew Branca at LI has done some great (and long) posts spelling out the elements of establishing this in a court of law. So far, the Defense is establishing all the elements required, and the Prosecution is failing completely.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 08, 2021 03:34 PM (trdmm)

575 Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at November 08, 2021 03:31 PM (Ymyz3)

That he was carrying a weapon seems to contradict your point .

Posted by: Just a side note at November 08, 2021 03:35 PM (2DOZq)

576 So I'm in line at Chic Fil A behind a truck from Gun Barrel City TX. ( I'm in WA)
Sounds like my kinda town!
Posted by: Diogenes at November 08, 2021 03:32 PM (ltIz7)

Is that the only place you can get food? CFA is the enemy.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 08, 2021 03:35 PM (2JVJo)

577 Here's a reasonably fair article about whether or not it was true. https://tinyurl.com/4pc3ym8z
Posted by: alexthechick - boobs and hysteria at November 08, 2021 03:12 PM (mf5HN)

The idea that Moses designed the So State to exclude blacks to the beaches of the South Shore is completely unfounded. All parkways in the Northeast that hail from around the time Moses engineered the parkway all had similar designs, the Merritt, the Hutchinson, Bronx River, etc. It was the style of the time to make them slung low out of stone...yes, it prevented taller vehicles from passing. But they were not prevalent in the late 20's - certainly not out in the country, which at this time, the south shore of LI certainly was...

Posted by: Boswell at November 08, 2021 03:35 PM (5iUNf)

578 571 Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at November 08, 2021 03:34 PM (Ymyz3)

He was serious about the threat, it is why he had first aid supplies, a fire extinguisher, and AR-15.

There should have been 200 people there with him.

Posted by: sven at November 08, 2021 03:35 PM (Lzpvj)

579 "Antifa stalked, shot and killed a guy in Portland that attended a Patriot's Prayer rally. They've never charged anyone for it."

I read the US Marshalls got him. As in, killed the antifa.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at November 08, 2021 03:35 PM (jTmQV)

580 So I'm in line at Chic Fil A behind a truck from Gun Barrel City TX. ( I'm in WA)
Sounds like my kinda town!
Posted by: Diogenes

GBC is in E Texas.
Cut & Shoot is down by Houston.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 08, 2021 03:36 PM (OCTRt)

581 Eh the wife was already there, 9/11 kind of made it so we hung out 20 more years.

I'm tired, and I think I am on the edge of depression.
Posted by: sven
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Prayers up, hun.

Posted by: SMH - The War has been won, only the battles remain, as usual at November 08, 2021 03:36 PM (/Sj+M)

582 A gun barrel is a type of oilfield tank in this case.

Posted by: Too Bad Costa Rica Sucks at November 08, 2021 03:36 PM (A6Xv7)

583 WaPo nood.

Posted by: NALNAMSAM - Not as lean, not as mean, still a Marine at November 08, 2021 03:36 PM (00M+L)

584 The more one-sided the evidence in favor of self-defense is, the more this helps the prosecution, when you understand the point of this trial is not to punish Rittenhouse but to send a message.

If you have a trial where the evidence points firmly in the way of acquittal, and a cowed and intimidated jury convicts anyway, the message is sent and received that BLM and Antifa are free to enforce the Marxist-Dem agenda with street violence, and nobody is allowed to resist with any lawful means.

If the evidence was muddy on self-defense, then that message is not as clear. Thus the prosecution has to clearly show Rittenhouse is innocent, and then let the jurors convict him anyway.

Posted by: Jack Squat Bupkis at November 08, 2021 03:36 PM (GD2xa)

585 560 So I'm in line at Chic Fil A behind a truck from Gun Barrel City TX. ( I'm in WA)
Sounds like my kinda town!
Posted by: Diogenes at November 08, 2021 03:32 PM (ltIz7)

heh - not too far from ben had's place!

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 08, 2021 03:37 PM (trdmm)

586 Posted by: Revenant at November 08, 2021 03:33 PM (ydlAE)

I agree with you, but huge vote numbers that flipped from Jack to Murphy in the middle of the night does sound like what happened in the Presidential election of 2020.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 08, 2021 03:37 PM (ueGNX)

587 Why does everyone insist on linking his being there to how he reacted?

I don't. As a factual matter, we can end up places that are dangerous for us. Young people do this with some frequency. I certainly did. But that doesn't translate to a right to kill people for being foolish or to financially ruin them after the fact because the state doesn't like them.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at November 08, 2021 03:37 PM (QU5/8)

588 @Nurse Rathed, hate to tell you, but trouble has found you AND all of the rest of us opposed to what is happening in this country. We are lawless, we have law enforcement that will not enforce what they are sworn to uphold. This shit with Rittenhouse is what happens when things breakdown. Whether we like it or not we are in the early stages of civil war. Certain election results we've seen lately might give you a sense of hope, great its nice and all, but don't be surprised when we get another rude awakening like Nov. 4 2020 or the Repubs proving over and over again that they are not an opposition party after 22'.

Posted by: JROD at November 08, 2021 03:37 PM (0jZnq)

589 Sure they had police. The police protected City Hall and the Court House BADLY. The trial is being held in a court room where they broke out the windows in the riots. The business districts and neighborhoods? There were NO POLICE. Kyle and others stepped up.
Posted by: rd at November 08, 2021 03:34 PM (Z32m1)

The defense got one of the cops to tangentially admit that the private citizens showing up with firearms reduced the number of fires.

Posted by: WiNO at November 08, 2021 03:37 PM (EpDzw)

590

Could KR claim the riots and fires approaching his place of employment were an attractive nuisance, a deliberate action of BLM designed to provoke a response, as a defense in civilian litigation?

Posted by: Girl, pondering... at November 08, 2021 03:37 PM (oKb7q)

591 Double jeopardy would preclude retrial following a directed verdict. Ace should walk-back that discussion on risks of a directed verdict on this particular charge. This is no risk of being overturned on appeal on this point.

Posted by: ss at November 08, 2021 03:38 PM (6tosu)

592 581 Posted by: SMH - The War has been won, only the battles remain, as usual at November 08, 2021 03:36 PM (/Sj+M)

Thanks, I know this will shock many here I am wired a touch different than some.

I cannot imagine a life not near the army, but I need to help my family up north and if I am honest the job I do is like a drug to me.

When I do well I feel 25 again, and when I fail at it I feel like I have been shot.

I need normal not fun.

Posted by: sven at November 08, 2021 03:38 PM (Lzpvj)

593 So since we've determined Kyle shouldn't have been there, I guess the J6 protestors are getting what they deserved, correct?

Posted by: rickb223 at November 08, 2021 03:38 PM (OCTRt)

594 What a perfect lesson in morality this is.

Guy takes a gun and goes to a place. Hero or villain? Well, one guy does it to cause trouble (pantyfag), the other does it to stop trouble (KR). Violence itself, along with preparations for violence, ultimately is value neutral. It can be good or bad. To say otherwise eventually leads to things like Ghandi-esque horseshit about Jews whistling on their way to the ovens to avoid violence.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 08, 2021 03:38 PM (6FeV1)

595 Prayers up, hun.
Posted by: SMH - The War has been won, only the battles remain, as usual at November 08, 2021 03:36 PM (/Sj+M)

Seconded.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 08, 2021 03:39 PM (ueGNX)

596 591 Posted by: ss at November 08, 2021 03:38 PM (6tosu)

The legal point in question would be a procedural scrum on whether a DV was merited thus if found to be in error "no double jeopardy"

He should be found innocent or have charges dismissed with prejudice.

Posted by: sven at November 08, 2021 03:39 PM (Lzpvj)

597 Another truth police and public safety have no duty to protect any one individual. The only one coming to protect you is you. The police or for that matter any public servant is not responsible to any individual. See Castle rock vs Gonzalez. I'm a resident of Castle rock our police are not bad as police go. They failed to protect and were not responsible. Police can't or won't be there when needed.

Posted by: USNtakim deplorable still. at November 08, 2021 03:41 PM (0OmEj)

598 Saying he shouldn't be there defending his community is like saying I shouldn't stand there and defend my home.

But I'm sure someone would say that if I didn't live in such a nice house, criminals wouldn't try to break into it.

MY attitude on this also includes my neighborhood, city, and state. I will defend all.

Posted by: My name is Jose Jimanez at November 08, 2021 03:42 PM (Fs5vw)

599 Sheepdogs and Wolves

Some sheep can't tell the difference

Posted by: Just a side note at November 08, 2021 03:43 PM (2DOZq)

600 Nood - and none too soon.

Posted by: Eisenhorn at November 08, 2021 03:43 PM (b2CDr)

601 Kenosha burns to the ground after the not guilty verdict.

Posted by: Some Rat at November 08, 2021 03:45 PM (r1z5A)

602 The military is filled with men and women who felt called to do something, especially after 9/11.

Did they ask for trouble?
____________

After the 9/11 attacks, Pat Tillman, who had a million-dollar contract to play for the AZ Cardinals, quit the team and signed up for the Army. He could have stayed in AZ, enjoyed his wealth, and lived happily ever after. But he volunteered to go to Afghanistan instead, because he felt compelled to take a stand. He ended up getting his head blown off in a friendly fire incident.

You could say he was stupid, that what he did was foolish, that it wasn't his fight, whatever. But in times of conflict, some men will run away and some will stand and fight. Tillman chose to fight. Rittenhouse chose to fight.

I applaud them both. They had courage and the strength of their convictions. It's too bad more people don't.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--F*ck Joe Biden at November 08, 2021 03:45 PM (k4dH2)

603 Sheepdogs and Wolves

Some sheep can't tell the difference

Posted by: Just a side note

Calling Nurse Ratched a sheep is barking up the wrong tree

Posted by: Sharkman at November 08, 2021 03:45 PM (M8yB3)

604 Doing well enough Sven.

Hoping The Bidet JV Junta somehow manages to scrawl out their rebuttal to the 5th in something other than crayon. But I doubt it.

Different tangent, been watching RAF training films on the Spitfire and discovered the Mk Is were equipped with landing lights that retracted into the undersurfaces of the wings.

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 08, 2021 03:46 PM (B8kNI)

605
The police and National Guard were not engaged in protecting Kenosha. There was clearly an unlawful understanding and coordination between government and Antifa/BLM rioters.

This show trial, and the unpunished threats against the jurors, are a continuation of that same conspiracy.

When the Antifa thugs tried to murder Rittenhouse in retaliation for stopping the burning, they quite correctly believed they had official clearance to do so with impunity. They failed. Now the State seeks to murder Rittenhouse in their place.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at November 08, 2021 03:47 PM (CLLzU)

606 601 Posted by: Some Rat at November 08, 2021 03:45 PM (r1z5A)

Democrats love it, they should thank their government for allowing it.

Posted by: sven at November 08, 2021 03:47 PM (Lzpvj)

607 I read the US Marshalls got him. As in, killed the antifa.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at November 08, 2021 03:35 PM (jTmQV)

Yep, Rein-full-o-holes.

Posted by: Sjg at November 08, 2021 03:48 PM (gDSJf)

608 604 Posted by: Anna Puma at November 08, 2021 03:46 PM (B8kNI)

I have been studying history my whole intellectual life, I have to remind myself lately you can't live there.

Posted by: sven at November 08, 2021 03:48 PM (Lzpvj)

609 You may not be able to live there but it does make a good rest stop.

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 08, 2021 03:49 PM (B8kNI)

610 Calling Nurse Ratched a sheep is barking up the wrong tree
Posted by: Sharkman

Nurse is the heavily armed sheep of lore.

Posted by: Some Rat at November 08, 2021 03:50 PM (r1z5A)

611 "Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at November 08, 2021 03:34 PM (Ymyz3)"

Let's quit talking past each other. You want to separate the decision to go, from his decision making once there - absent one decision he made while there.

Did he expect to shoot anyone when he got there? I highly doubt it. Was he frustrated by law enforcement and the government's inability to do their sworn duty. Yep. Just like the rest of us here.

Yes, he was 17. So had he been 18 would that have been better? It's a pointless argument. Either you feel the left is being allowed to run roughshod and we just need to sit back and take it, or you don't. There is no middle ground. And not taking it is ugly sometimes. My only regret is that KR didn't kill all three of them. Killing anyone is a terrible horrible thing. Thankfully I've never been called to do it. But once you've done two in an action, it's no more nightmarish for one more. And while we all should be careful about being judge and jury, it seems the Antifa protestors would always best be having their herd reduced.

Posted by: Black JEM at November 08, 2021 03:55 PM (V6xwG)

612 Without citing the entire text, this is covered in Article 22 of the First Convention for the Amelioration of the Condition of the Wounded and Sick in Armed Forces in the Field. Geneva, 12 August 1949.

What that says in plain English is that medical personnel may be armed, and may use arms against people attacking them or the people they are caring for.
They cannot use them in offensive operations.

As I understand things, the same applied during WWII.
Regarding the Salomon case mentioned previously, this was deliberately distorted because of the anti-Semitism of an officer in the chain of approval.

Posted by: Sam at November 08, 2021 04:05 PM (ohyxL)

613
I will fight with you. By your side.

I will not fight for you while
You hide in your home.

Where were the locals? Why did it take Kyle traveling from out of state, to fight?

All y'all calling me names, where the fuck were you?

Posted by: nurse ratched at November 08, 2021 04:07 PM (5mZga)

614 613 Posted by: nurse ratched at November 08, 2021 04:07 PM (5mZga)

I was at work dodging simulated machine gun fire helping to train a unit and thrilled the 5 month hiatus was over.

I was five states away pondering what to do here if they came.

Turns out it is hard for people who pay their own way to compete with a network of subsidized professional arsonists and sh*t stirrers....

Posted by: sven at November 08, 2021 04:16 PM (Lzpvj)

615 Calling Nurse Ratched a sheep is barking up the wrong tree
Posted by: Sharkman at November 08, 2021 03:45 PM (M8yB3)

Who called her a sheep? It's you who made that assumption for your own reasons.

Posted by: Just a side note at November 08, 2021 04:17 PM (2DOZq)

616 Yeah its been a while for me as well, but I am kind of off the radar at the moment from lack of taxes etc.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 08, 2021 04:27 PM (KZzsI)

617 The correct response to politicized mobs pillaging and assaulting your people is to take up arms.

Period. Full stop. Whether or not it is practical given the joke that passes now for justice in the bloated corpse of our former republic.

I condemn NOTHING about what that kid did other than tactical criticism. "He shouldn't have been there" is the purest BS and sometimes people need to take note of feedback for self reflection.

If he is convicted, it serves to wake people up and skyline enemies. If he walks, it's a lesson for the barbarians.

Posted by: somedood - skull mountain sherpa at November 08, 2021 04:29 PM (7IHuq)

618 JackStraw (#194):
"Odd they don't think it's awful that the BLM/antifa mob had the nerve to come to their town."

At the time, I looked up where the three men shot were from. One of them may have been from Kenosha, and all three were (I think) from Wisconsin, but as I recall the average distance they had come to get to the riot was twice the distance Kyle R. had come.

Posted by: Dr. Weevil at November 08, 2021 04:30 PM (y0ACN)

619 596 Posted by: sven at November 08, 2021 03:39 PM (Lzpvj)

An acquittal by directed verdict is an acquittal and jeopardy attaches. There can be no determination on appeal as to whether an acquittal was "merited". Double Jeopardy applies and there is no retrial.

Fong Foo v. United States, 369 U.S. 141

Posted by: ss at November 08, 2021 04:51 PM (6tosu)

620 619 Posted by: ss at November 08, 2021 04:51 PM (6tosu)

Almost always at the federal level in the United States of America you are correct, in the nascent American Socialist State....?

BLM and Antifa are engaged in jury intimidation the mob would not dream of...what is happening to 'em?

Posted by: sven at November 08, 2021 05:07 PM (Lzpvj)

621 Directed verdict to acquit is the only option.

Posted by: FatAlbert at November 08, 2021 05:35 PM (bQ/08)

622 Posted by: sven at November 08, 2021 05:07 PM (Lzpvj)

Ah, angry mob nullification. Yeah that's a thing.

Posted by: ss at November 08, 2021 05:48 PM (6tosu)

623 323 Grosskruetz testimony....

What I saw was a guy admit to Attempted Murder... I wonder what deal the "Prosecution" cut to get his testimony.

Posted by: Reforger at November 08, 2021 07:58 PM (/dn60)

624 579 "I read the US Marshalls got him. As in, killed the antifa."

Yep. 'Course at that point he was just a loose end to be cleaned up.

Posted by: Rowsdower Persists in Insisting Ashli Babbitt Is Crispus Attucks at November 08, 2021 09:52 PM (hzaX9)

625 The media tried this case a year ago. Just as Floyd was murdered by a cop rather than by an overdose of a huge cocktail of fatal drugs, this young lad is clearly guilty of of opposing Antifa, BLM and the communist rulers.

He must suffer commands the politburo.

Posted by: Harry at November 08, 2021 11:44 PM (EcD5Y)

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