Saturday Evening Movie Thread [Moviegique]: Finding Vivian Maier (2014)

It's been a bad few weeks (ok, years) for movies so I combed through the archives to find something worth seeing that perhaps didn't get as much exposure at the time as it deserved. As you'll quickly see, this is from 2014. Also, let me know if you prefer the "finding gems" or, um, "turkey roasting". The next entry will be right after thanksgiving, so I'm leaning toward the latter.

A near perfect documentary. Between this and Tim’s Vermeer (which technically counts as a 2013 documentary), Jodorowsky’s Dune and The Galapagos Affair, the documentaries are kicking butt already in 2014.

A litho of this self-portrait is available for $3,770.42.

This is an oral history/investigative documentary looking into the life of Vivian Maier. Who’s Vivian Maier? Well, that’s what makes this achievement all the greater. You’ve never heard of her (well, probably not yet at this point in time) and so it’s up to documentarian John Maloof to: explain who she is; explain why we should care.

Maloof stumbled on this adventure a few years ago (2006 or 2007) when, in looking for vintage photos for a book, he won a chest full of negatives at an auction. Thousands of pictures, mostly undeveloped, spanning decades. He immediately went and located the other two chests that hadn’t been won, and found himself in possession of tens of thousands (ultimately around 150,000!) of photos and negatives all taken by this person, Vivian Maier, who apparently took some delight in being mysterious and coming up with creative spellings for her name.

I’m no photography expert, but these photos—at least the ones shown in the movie—are as good as any I’ve ever seen.

Maloof embarks on two projects. The first is discovering who she is or was, which task might largely be considered finished by this documentary; the second is getting her life’s work recognition. Her photographs are extremely popular (per the movie, and per my own eyeballs, which found them wonderful even as photography is not something that usually grabs me) but he must navigate the artifices of the art community, which is traditionally more interested in politics and protecting their phony-baloney jobs.

The film may help there, however, too, for she is a compelling character: Secretive in the extreme, managing to take all these pictures with none of her families ever really putting together the scope of her activities. Quirky, funny, eccentric, but also cruel and brooding and a hoarder and, in the end, of questionable sanity.

On the Moviegique Three-Point System for evaluating docs:

1) Subject Matter: It’s always great to have a documentary about subject matter you wouldn’t think much of, or you wouldn’t think would grab you, only to have it grab you. That Maier was genius makes for more important subject matter than you might have thought going in, and that she was so human make for more compelling subject matter than perhaps expected.

2) Presentation: Maloof, with assistance from Charlie Siskel (Bowling for Columbine, Religulous), does an expert job telling the story plainly with most of the Maier info coming from her now grown (and aged) charges. An oral history, mostly, with Maloof providing clues that he sussed out on his own. But mostly, he lets the “kids” stories stand as a testament to the person.

3) Spin: Maloof is obviously sympathetic, as well as a big booster of Maier’s art, but he doesn’t let that turn this movie into a hagiography. He lets the darkness and tragedy come through—though without letting that swamp the positive aspects of the story.

The whole thing is jam-packed into 80 minutes with zero padding and yet still not feeling rushed. Of all the ways this story could’ve gone, when you think about the most likely ending: That Maier’s photos are destroyed and her story not known, it’s easy to feel a sense of wonder that this treasure trove should fall into the hands of a dedicated archivist.

Then it becomes easy to wonder if there are other Vivian Maiers out there, whose genius have gone into the furnace or landfill, never to be found.

I only wished The Old Man had been around to see it. He loved photography.

Posted by: Open Blogger at 08:00 PM

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1 hiya

Posted by: JT at November 06, 2021 07:01 PM (arJlL)

2 Holy shmow. I'm not sure that time is right. We're eastern, right?

Posted by: moviegique at November 06, 2021 07:01 PM (asXVI)

3 Movie Sign!

Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at November 06, 2021 07:01 PM (rz+/y)

4 Decided besides the first 30 minutes of Saving Private Ryan the last 10 minutes are worthy, the rest once seen is once enough

Posted by: Skip at November 06, 2021 07:03 PM (2JoB8)

5 Let's go, Brandon.

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at November 06, 2021 07:04 PM (qvjMx)

6 Hi movigique

Posted by: vmom - link to Red's fundraiser at November 06, 2021 07:04 PM (YZG/i)

7 Hey, vmom!

Posted by: moviegique at November 06, 2021 07:04 PM (asXVI)

8 Hellooooooooooooo! When will the others arrive?

Posted by: ALH at November 06, 2021 07:05 PM (/+B8L)

9 Hey movie thread! Thanks moviegique!

I still remember about 1983, when Ansel Adams was all the rage. I've often wondered what he would have said if asked to do the cinematography for a movie. (My hunch is he would have said no, as he was definitely a still photography guy, but it's fun to think about.)

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 06, 2021 07:06 PM (L2ZTs)

10 You guys like Joe Don Baker movies?

Posted by: moviegique at November 06, 2021 07:07 PM (asXVI)

11 moviegique: Walking Tall!!

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 06, 2021 07:07 PM (L2ZTs)

12 Present !

Posted by: runner at November 06, 2021 07:07 PM (V13WU)

13 The Jodorowsy Dune documentary made me glad he never made it. The art/idea book was amazing, and there was a terrific roster of talent associated with it, but come on. He's nuts.

"I raped Herbert's book -- but with love!"

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 06, 2021 07:08 PM (Dc2NZ)

14
You guys like Joe Don Baker movies?
Posted by: moviegique

Do you like gladiator movies?

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 06, 2021 07:09 PM (Gc3e6)

15 Is that Wolfgang Van Halen?

Posted by: SFGoth at November 06, 2021 07:09 PM (KAi1n)

16 qdpsteve: Mitchell!

Posted by: moviegique at November 06, 2021 07:09 PM (asXVI)

17 I really liked Tim's Vermeer, I did find it kinda odd that nobody else stumbled on Vermeer's technique in 400 years.

Posted by: lowandslow at November 06, 2021 07:10 PM (4thlk)

18 10 You guys like Joe Don Baker movies?
Posted by: moviegique at November 06, 2021 07:07 PM (asXVI)
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I saw one on TCM recently about a small island terrorized by a pack of feral dogs. His best yet!

I love "Mitchell" as enhanced by MST3K.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 06, 2021 07:10 PM (Dc2NZ)

19 I'm getting a bit of a Diane Arbus vibe from the photos. The one with the black kid with the Mickey Mouse ears is delightful though.

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V at November 06, 2021 07:10 PM (HabA/)

20 10 You guys like Joe Don Baker movies?
Posted by: moviegique at November 06, 2021 07:07 PM (asXVI)

He only made one movie, right?

You should profile Robert Mitchum's Thunder Road sometime.

Posted by: ALH at November 06, 2021 07:10 PM (/+B8L)

21 I learned recently that the same guy, Bob Clark, wrote and directed both A Christmas Story and Porky's.

I have no idea what to make of this information.

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at November 06, 2021 07:10 PM (u1eUk)

22 For anyone who hasn't yet seen it, I heartily recommend the documentary that came out a few years ago about legendary (and mercurial) drummer Ginger Baker, titled Beware Of Mr. Baker.

It *begins* with Baker, at his ten-current age, punching the director in the face.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 06, 2021 07:10 PM (L2ZTs)

23 I like the occasional documentary, as long as Michael Moore hasn't been within a light year of it.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 06, 2021 07:10 PM (F0YaR)

24 Looks like the Strange Days album cover.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 06, 2021 07:11 PM (63Dwl)

25 Borrowed from library and watched:

Old (M.Night Shamallamadingdong) - it's more sf than horror, okayish, didn't really like the casting except for Rufus Sewell who was given lackluster material, imo.

Mare of Easttown - watched this because it's set locally. It's kinda bleak noir - "let's sneeringly pity the poor working class stiffs"- but the mystery was interesting.

Posted by: vmom - link to Red's fundraiser at November 06, 2021 07:11 PM (YZG/i)

26 Donna, Diane Arbus has that b&w photo from 1967 of the twin girls at church, standing next to each other. One is grinning, one is frowning.

Some people see that photo and think it's chilling. I see it and just don't get it.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 06, 2021 07:12 PM (L2ZTs)

27 I've got one.

Standing in the Shadows of Motown.

Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at November 06, 2021 07:12 PM (OssQ4)

28 Nice! This is one of those movie threads that stretches my boundaries.

I am having a sad day, because I was supposed to get a DVD of Willie Dynamite and two other "Soul Showcase" movies in the mail today, but Amazon tells me that the delivery has been delayed.

I long to hear "you saying you can't control your bitches?" in the proper artistic context, but my gratification will have to wait.

Posted by: Splunge at November 06, 2021 07:12 PM (R+A4V)

29 Also, let me know if you prefer the "finding gems" or, um, "turkey roasting".

++++

Turkey roasting... Are we talking movies or Youtube videos?

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at November 06, 2021 07:12 PM (hVqGz)

30 9 Hey movie thread! Thanks moviegique!

I still remember about 1983, when Ansel Adams was all the rage. I've often wondered what he would have said if asked to do the cinematography for a movie. (My hunch is he would have said no, as he was definitely a still photography guy, but it's fun to think about.)
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 06, 2021 07:06 PM (L2ZTs)

There is precedent for that. Stanley Kubrick began in still photography before going into motion pictures.

Posted by: Cow Demon - Free Australia! at November 06, 2021 07:12 PM (DJu5c)

31 Joe Don Baker was a serviceable character actor. Solid in anything he did. He was in a movie called "Edge of Darkness". Mel Gibson remade a few years back. I saw it in 1985 on PBS, believe it or not. A mini-series. Lot of familiar Brit actors were in it also. I haven't seen it in years but I liked it when I was 16.

Posted by: Puddleglum at November 06, 2021 07:12 PM (QFVV9)

32 10 You guys like Joe Don Baker movies?
Posted by: moviegique at November 06, 2021 07:07 PM (asXVI)

The original Walking Tall is better than the remake. Grittier. More realistic.

He sucked in James Bond flicks though.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 06, 2021 07:13 PM (F0YaR)

33 Of course, given it's Thanksgiving, we'll be talkin' 'bout Planes Trains & Automobiles.

I actually would like to see John Hughes' original *three-hour cut* of the film, although I doubt it'll ever come out. Supposedly the negative is already badly degraded since 1987.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 06, 2021 07:13 PM (L2ZTs)

34 "He's nuts."

Oh, yeah, as I put it at the time: "Yet, it's sort of hard not to feel a little sad that it never was to be. I think it would've been great, whether a great disaster or a great success, it would've made a mark."

I think it would've been an amazing mess. And, honestly, way more fun to contemplate than to actually watch had it ever materialized.

Posted by: moviegique at November 06, 2021 07:14 PM (asXVI)

35 Speaking of Joe Don Baker, I see another character actor, William Lucking, died the other day.

Posted by: lowandslow at November 06, 2021 07:14 PM (4thlk)

36 I still can't get over Joe Don Baker being the villain in The Living Daylights (the best of the two Bond movies featuring Timothy Dalton).

Posted by: Cow Demon - Free Australia! at November 06, 2021 07:14 PM (DJu5c)

37

Joe Don Baker in Final Justice

Think you can take me?
Go 'head on.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 06, 2021 07:14 PM (63Dwl)

38 I am having a sad day, because I was supposed to get a DVD of Willie Dynamite

==

Any relation to Napoleon?

Posted by: vmom - link to Red's fundraiser at November 06, 2021 07:14 PM (YZG/i)

39 Cow Demon, true. Although I have the hunch Stanley always planned to become a filmmaker, and deliberately started with photojournalism to teach himself some things, including how to get intimately familiar with the workings of a camera.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 06, 2021 07:15 PM (L2ZTs)

40 Joe Don Baker --

If you like Baker, don't miss his turn as a hitman in the excellent Walter Matthau flick CHARLEY VARRICK.

Posted by: Just Some Guy at November 06, 2021 07:15 PM (JzDjf)

41 I made Mom sit through "Near Dark". She was quiet throughout so I thought she was absorbed in the B-vamp cheezyness, but at the end she said "Well THAT was awful!"

Lots of "Aliens" cast members here. Per IMDB: "Future husband James Cameron suggested to Bigelow that she use the ready-made ensemble cast from his recent hit Aliens (1986), and thus Lance Henriksen, Bill Paxton, and Jenette Goldstein all appear in Bigelow's film. Michael Biehn had also appeared in Aliens and was considered, but declined to participate."

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 06, 2021 07:15 PM (Dc2NZ)

42 Vote for Pedro!

Posted by: ALH at November 06, 2021 07:15 PM (/+B8L)

43 I not big on documentaries, but I lurv the fake "documentary",

"The Hellstrom Chronicle"

in which "Dr"Hellstrom shows us great microphotography of real insects doing real insect stuff to explain how the Insect World will overwhelm us and take over the world.

If that sounds like the sort of thing you'd like, you'll like it. It's great but very tough to find now if you didn't buy the blu-ray release from a few years back.

Posted by: naturalfake at November 06, 2021 07:15 PM (5NkmN)

44 I think it would've been an amazing mess. And, honestly, way more fun to contemplate than to actually watch had it ever materialized.
Posted by: moviegique at November 06, 2021 07:14 PM (asXVI)

Like David Lynch's Dune, then?

THE SPICE MUST FLOW

Posted by: Cow Demon - Free Australia! at November 06, 2021 07:16 PM (DJu5c)

45 38 I am having a sad day, because I was supposed to get a DVD of Willie Dynamite
==
Any relation to Napoleon?
Posted by: vmom - link to Red's fundraiser at November 06, 2021 07:14 PM (YZG/i)

...it seems unlikely.

Say, your hash almost closes italics formatting.

Posted by: Splunge at November 06, 2021 07:16 PM (R+A4V)

46 This story about finding Vivian's photos is like finding Anne Frank's diary. Except less tragic.

Posted by: ALH at November 06, 2021 07:16 PM (/+B8L)

47 "Bob Clark, wrote and directed both A Christmas Story and Porky's."

And "Black Christmas" and "Baby Geniuses" and...look, cocaine was involved.

Posted by: moviegique at November 06, 2021 07:16 PM (asXVI)

48 I've read Dune a few times, and I consider it unfilmable. Does the new movie of it prove me wrong?

Posted by: Splunge at November 06, 2021 07:16 PM (R+A4V)

49 Some people see that photo and think it's chilling. I see it and just don't get it.
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 06, 2021 07:12 PM (L2ZTs)

I think the Arbus twin photo was probably the inspiration for the twins in "The Shining."

Arbus had a way of making ordinary people look eerie or crazy. In real life, those twins were probably just normal little girls.

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V at November 06, 2021 07:16 PM (HabA/)

50 Creepiest Arbus photo was that little boy grimacing as he holds a (fake?) grenade.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 06, 2021 07:17 PM (Dc2NZ)

51 lowandslow

Artists did emulate Vermeer.

The most notable was a froger who confessed to his work, rather than be charged with collaboration with the Nazis.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at November 06, 2021 07:17 PM (u82oZ)

52
Here's a clip of Joe Don Baker fucking up some bad guys:

https://youtu.be/HK0bUT1t6lE?t=163

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 06, 2021 07:17 PM (Gc3e6)

53 SAFETY!

Posted by: nurse ratched at November 06, 2021 07:17 PM (U2p+3)

54 Donna, Diane Arbus has that b&w photo from 1967 of the twin girls at church, standing next to each other. One is grinning, one is frowning.

Diane Arbus is the Sylvia Plath of Irving Penns.

Posted by: Oddbob at November 06, 2021 07:17 PM (nfrXX)

55 moviegique, Bob Clark definitely seemed to have been almost schizophrenic. I'm not sure how one person can make a film as sweet as A Christmas Story *and* a film as raunch-filled as Porky's.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 06, 2021 07:17 PM (L2ZTs)

56 I = I'm

Posted by: naturalfake at November 06, 2021 07:18 PM (5NkmN)

57 ||Like David Lynch's Dune, then?

Certainly not completely UNlike it.

Posted by: moviegique at November 06, 2021 07:18 PM (asXVI)

58 All Hail Eris, Arbus seemed to specialize in creepy.

Oddbob, people definitely see strange things in her photos.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 06, 2021 07:18 PM (L2ZTs)

59 "Bob Clark, wrote and directed both A Christmas Story and Porky's."

And "Black Christmas" and "Baby Geniuses" and...look, cocaine was involved.

Posted by: moviegique at November 06, 2021 07:16 PM (asXVI)

Half the budget for Easy Rider was spent on pot.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 06, 2021 07:18 PM (F0YaR)

60 From Wiki:

Han van Meegeren was a 20th-century Dutch painter who worked in the classical tradition. He became a master forger, ... creating and selling many new "Vermeers" before turning himself in for forgery to avoid being charged with capital treason for collaboration with the Nazis, specifically, in selling what had been believed to be original artwork to the Nazis.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at November 06, 2021 07:19 PM (u82oZ)

61 moviegique, Bob Clark definitely seemed to have been almost schizophrenic. I'm not sure how one person can make a film as sweet as A Christmas Story *and* a film as raunch-filled as Porky's.
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 06, 2021 07:17 PM (L2ZTs)

And as stabby as "Black Christmas".

Posted by: naturalfake at November 06, 2021 07:19 PM (5NkmN)

62 22 For anyone who hasn't yet seen it, I heartily recommend the documentary that came out a few years ago about legendary (and mercurial) drummer Ginger Baker, titled Beware Of Mr. Baker.

It *begins* with Baker, at his ten-current age, punching the director in the face.
Posted by: qdpsteve

I feel bad for Eric Clapton. He was in a band with both Jack Bruce and Ginger Baker, who despised each other. Clapton always seemed a pretty chill, laid back, dude. I'm kind of amazed they managed to get 4 albums made.

Posted by: Puddleglum at November 06, 2021 07:20 PM (QFVV9)

63 Certainly the first attempt at Dune was a disaster so I have no plans to see it anytime soon, but will say every review or comment has been good about it.

Posted by: Skip at November 06, 2021 07:20 PM (2JoB8)

64 The most notable was a froger who confessed to his work, rather than be charged with collaboration with the Nazis.
Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at November 06, 2021 07:17 PM (u82oZ)

I saw a movie on that once also, Guy Pierce.

Posted by: lowandslow at November 06, 2021 07:20 PM (4thlk)

65 Puddleglum, good point.
But then it was the 1960s and their managers had them working constantly, plus the record company wanted at least one album every single year, which was standard then.

They were probably too busy working to argue too much a lot of the time.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 06, 2021 07:21 PM (L2ZTs)

66 Bob Clark also gave us Children Shouldn't Play with Dead Things and Deranged (though he had his name taken off the latter because he felt the producers were pushing the film to be too exploitative).

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos (meh, it's a living) at November 06, 2021 07:21 PM (3DZIZ)

67 ||Bob Clark definitely seemed to have been almost schizophrenic. I'm not sure how one person can make a film as sweet as A Christmas Story *and* a film as raunch-filled as Porky's.||

Yeah, and "Black Christmas" was basically a proto-"Halloween", to say nothing of "Children Shouldn't Play With Dead Things". Then there were the kind of rebellious '80s with "Turk 182" and "From the Hip" (remember Judd Nelson?). Closing out your career with the "Baby Geniuses" FRANCHISE (urk), romances and touching family dramas...

Posted by: moviegique at November 06, 2021 07:22 PM (asXVI)

68 Our Gang: Mary, Queen of Tots - a classic silent free on the yootoobs.https://tinyurl.com/su3vdufs

Ignored by her parents and browbeaten by her governess, poor little rich girl Mary finds comfort in her collection of dolls, which were carved by an Italian gardener who used the Our Gang kids as his models. After a classic, clever sequence filmed on an oversized-furniture set, in which Mary dreams that the dolls have come to life, the Gang themselves show up. The governess, who previously threw away Mary's dolls, gets her comeuppance when the presence of the real kids convinces her that she's gone crazy. The silent, two-reel film was originally released on August 23, 1925.

The Gang: Mary Kornman, Mickey Daniels, Joe Cobb, Jackie Condon, Alan "Farina" Hoskins.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at November 06, 2021 07:23 PM (Bmy3R)

69 Just finished listening to Abba's new album, Voyage.

It's good but IMHO suffers from Adele syndrome: they're so comfortable doing easy listening adult contemporary songs and dirges, they're all but terrified of rocking out too much, which was not a problem they had in the 1970s/80s.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 06, 2021 07:24 PM (L2ZTs)

70 Lynch's "Dune" is a failed masterpiece. There is enough in it to recommend at least one viewing, if only for the cast, costumes, and interiors. There's an extended version that adds storyboards and artwork with voiceover to pad the unfinished segments.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 06, 2021 07:24 PM (Dc2NZ)

71 ||Half the budget for Easy Rider was spent on pot.||

Ironic, if true when you consider that Nicholson didn't produce the film with Corman because Corman wanted to bring it in at a lower price, and Nicholson didn't think that was the way to go.

"You don't understand, Roger, these guys can't act unless they're stoned."

Posted by: moviegique at November 06, 2021 07:24 PM (asXVI)

72 Unpopular opinion: High Noon is a terrible script.

An popular sheriff in a suddenly and undescribed, decadent town has no able bodied deputies to stop a violent psycho who vowed to kill the sheriff.

He would have had hundred of normals ready to intervein. But no.

It's supposed to be some sort of McCarthy allegory, but, H and F, it's bad.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 06, 2021 07:25 PM (1t5dY)

73 You guys like Wes Anderson movies?

Posted by: moviegique at November 06, 2021 07:25 PM (asXVI)

74 moviegique, exactly.

It's fine for a director to "stretch out," but good grief. Clark went nuts.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 06, 2021 07:25 PM (L2ZTs)

75 some of the visual work for dune, ended up flash gordon, some storyboards lent themselves to the terminator, there were other borrowings that the documentary credits,

Posted by: alien covenant was much worse at November 06, 2021 07:25 PM (hMlTh)

76 8 I've read Dune a few times, and I consider it unfilmable. Does the new movie of it prove me wrong?
Posted by: Splunge at November 06, 2021 07:16 PM (R+A4V)

I saw Dune this afternoon. I read the books about 25 years ago so remembered nothing beyond the sandworms.

But I really like the movie. Thought it was visually stunning and had nice character development.

Posted by: Iris at November 06, 2021 07:25 PM (6lKe4)

77 73 You guys like Wes Anderson movies?
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*leans away from moviegigue and his open trenchcoat*

Err....yes?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 06, 2021 07:26 PM (Dc2NZ)

78 Fun fact: Toni Basil, who recorded the 1982 hit "Mickey" (in both English and Spanish!), was in the movie Easy Rider.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 06, 2021 07:26 PM (L2ZTs)

79 ||Unpopular opinion: High Noon is a terrible script.

It isn't great. There's really no explanation for it other than "people suck". And, like "Lord of the Flies", it's black propaganda against humanity.

Posted by: moviegique at November 06, 2021 07:26 PM (asXVI)

80 70 Lynch's "Dune" is a failed masterpiece. There is enough in it to recommend at least one viewing, if only for the cast, costumes, and interiors. There's an extended version that adds storyboards and artwork with voiceover to pad the unfinished segments.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 06, 2021 07:24 PM (Dc2NZ)

that's how I feel about it - there are parts of it I absolutely love (Any scene with Lady Jessica!) and also mistakes I cannot defend.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 06, 2021 07:26 PM (evAgx)

81 So what was the best sci-fi flick of the 1950s, the 1960s, the 1970s, the 1980s, and the 1990s, everyone?

(I'm looking for five different movies, obviously.)

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 06, 2021 07:27 PM (L2ZTs)

82 I've lived most of my life in Chicago, and I grew up in the Rogers Park neighborhood, where Maier spent her last years. My childhood was spent among many of the places in her photographs. Maier that rare ability to create an image that let you see something, even something you'd been looking at all your life, in a way that gives it depth and meaning - the visual equivalent of "le mot juste".

Unfortunately, Meier's photographs are now locked up in a bitter court battle between the photographer who rescued and restored them, and her relatives in Europe, who claim to be her heirs. (She died without a will.) The relatives didn't give a damn about her when she was alive, but they see a big payday. In the end, the lawyers will get everything. In the meantime, the photos cannot be reproduced. A damn shame. I just wish I'd bought that book of her photographs while it was still on sale.

Posted by: Nemo at November 06, 2021 07:28 PM (S6ArX)

83 || Toni Basil, who recorded the 1982 hit "Mickey"

MST3K fans and '70s latchkey kids will know her best from "Village of the Giants".

Posted by: moviegique at November 06, 2021 07:28 PM (asXVI)

84 I admit I like High Noon, especially for the fact that for a "commie propaganda flick," it seems to argue for the exact opposite of communism.

Also a weird thing about it is its soundtrack. Some of it is actually upbeat and positive-sounding, which IMHO doesn't belong in a movie about how most people are cowards.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 06, 2021 07:28 PM (L2ZTs)

85
You guys like Wes Anderson movies?
Posted by: moviegique

Do you remember Bobba Fett?

https://youtu.be/_lZHXuBXOUI

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 06, 2021 07:29 PM (Gc3e6)

86 By the way, "Tim's Vermeer" is an interesting documentary. But Tim's method of painting could never have worked for Vermeer himself.

Posted by: Nemo at November 06, 2021 07:29 PM (S6ArX)

87 Dune can't really be made into a movie. The book is dense, lots of 'thinking' going on. Hard to put that onto the screen. Lynch's version was an attempt. He did what he could. I'm still trying to figure out if I liked it or hated it. I guess the answer is yes. The SyFy version was pretty good. The way Dune is written, it's almost impossible to make it into a good movie. I say that not seeing the latest version.

Posted by: Puddleglum at November 06, 2021 07:29 PM (QFVV9)

88 moviegique, Toni is one of these who was all over the place, apparently. :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 06, 2021 07:29 PM (L2ZTs)

89 An popular sheriff in a suddenly and undescribed, decadent town has no able bodied deputies to stop a violent psycho who vowed to kill the sheriff.

He would have had hundred of normals ready to intervein. But no.

It's supposed to be some sort of McCarthy allegory, but, H and F, it's bad.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 06, 2021 07:25 PM (1t5dY)

good, I'm glad to hear others feel about this the way I always did. In the west of the 1870's and 80's, *every* able bodied man had been in the Civil War - not only were they very comfortable with weapons, they had all seen piles of dead bodies before. Death didn't scare any of them.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 06, 2021 07:29 PM (evAgx)

90 Only Wes Anderson movie I ever watched was The Royal Tenenbaums, that was enough for me.

Posted by: lowandslow at November 06, 2021 07:29 PM (4thlk)

91 ||The relatives didn't give a damn about her when she was alive, but they see a big payday.||

Well, that certainly sucks. The poverty row version would be the fertilizer magnate heirs fighting over the rights of "Manos: The Hands of Fate".

Posted by: moviegique at November 06, 2021 07:29 PM (asXVI)

92 I watched Baby Driver this week, on a recommendation. It was a great movie, lots of detail in the cinematography and the music and sound design. You should watch it!

Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at November 06, 2021 07:30 PM (OssQ4)

93 Well, that certainly sucks. The poverty row version would be the fertilizer magnate heirs fighting over the rights of "Manos: The Hands of Fate".
Posted by: moviegique at November 06, 2021 07:29 PM (asXVI)
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Well the Torgo March remix has generated millions $$

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 06, 2021 07:31 PM (Dc2NZ)

94 I think Alien came out in 1979 but could be 80.
Though Sci-fi I consider it in my top 10 horror movies

Posted by: Skip at November 06, 2021 07:31 PM (2JoB8)

95
Joe Don Baker was a serviceable character actor. Solid in anything he did. He was in a movie called "Edge of Darkness". Mel Gibson remade a few years back. I saw it in 1985 on PBS, believe it or not. A mini-series. Lot of familiar Brit actors were in it also. I haven't seen it in years but I liked it when I was 16.
Posted by: Puddleglum

You've piqued my interest; I'm hunting for this, now.

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 06, 2021 07:31 PM (Gc3e6)

96 "So what was the best sci-fi flick of the 1950s, the 1960s, the 1970s, the 1980s, and the 1990s, everyone?"

1950s: Forbidden Planet
1960s: 2001
1970s: Star Wars
1980s: Aliens
1990s: Contact

Posted by: Nemo at November 06, 2021 07:32 PM (S6ArX)

97 ||Do you remember Bobba Fett?

Was that rockabilly chick one-hit-wonder? What was her song? "He Threw Me Into the Sarlacc"?

||Only Wes Anderson movie I ever watched was The Royal Tenenbaums, that was enough for me.||

Well, this is kind of what I mean. I saw and loved "The French Dispatch" but reviews of Wes Anderson movies can all be boiled down to, "Do you like Wes Anderson? Well, then you'll like this. If not? You won't."

Posted by: moviegique at November 06, 2021 07:32 PM (asXVI)

98 Puddleglum and Soothsayer, PBS used to run "Monty Python And The Holy Grail" uncut during pledge weeks. :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 06, 2021 07:33 PM (L2ZTs)

99 Some guy just went past my window on a motorized paraglider thingy. Desert fun!

Posted by: Splunge at November 06, 2021 07:33 PM (R+A4V)

100 I pretty much love Lynch's "DUNE" as is. As I've said more than once on this thread. One of the few future movies that looks like it comes from the unknowable future.

I think a failed masterpiece is something like "Zardoz" .It probably could've been great but it wasn't mostly becuz the director/writer couldn't decide what he wanted to do.

Posted by: naturalfake at November 06, 2021 07:33 PM (5NkmN)

101 Nemo, thanks!

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 06, 2021 07:33 PM (L2ZTs)

102 Well, this is kind of what I mean. I saw and loved "The French Dispatch" but reviews of Wes Anderson movies can all be boiled down to, "Do you like Wes Anderson? Well, then you'll like this. If not? You won't."
Posted by: moviegique at November 06, 2021 07:32 PM (asXVI)
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I dig his aesthetic and look forward to his new flick. He seems to encase his cast in dioramas.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 06, 2021 07:34 PM (Dc2NZ)

103 Splunge, Domino's is trying to contact you. Seems there was a problem with the mushrooms on the pizza you just ordered...

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 06, 2021 07:34 PM (L2ZTs)

104 High Noon -
Thought I heard somewhere that Howard Hawks and John Wayne did Rio Bravo as a sorta kinda response to High Noon. Pretty sure I'd read an interview with Wayne in which Wayne said he thought High Noon was garbage.

I've seen High Noon a couple of times (high school when I'd watch just about anything and once eons later on TCM) -- it's the sort of movie that plays well while you're watching it, the cast does a good job, but the idea behind it doesn't bear too much thinking about, and later you don't go out of your way to revisit it unless it turns up when you just feel like killing a little time.

Posted by: Just Some Guy at November 06, 2021 07:34 PM (JzDjf)

105 I love Star Wars... but was it really the best sci-fi flick of the 1970s?

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 06, 2021 07:35 PM (L2ZTs)

106 95
Joe Don Baker was a serviceable character actor. Solid in anything he did. He was in a movie called "Edge of Darkness". Mel Gibson remade a few years back. I saw it in 1985 on PBS, believe it or not. A mini-series. Lot of familiar Brit actors were in it also. I haven't seen it in years but I liked it when I was 16.
Posted by: Puddleglum

You've piqued my interest; I'm hunting for this, now.
Posted by: Soothsayer

It was a British production. Lots of 'no nukes' crap in it. Didn't bother me when I was 16 even though I noticed it then too. I just didn't care. Still don't. I'd watch it again if I could find it. It's a dark movie. Sad and depressing. You know, British. I recall it being pretty good.

Posted by: Puddleglum at November 06, 2021 07:35 PM (QFVV9)

107 ||I dig his aesthetic and look forward to his new flick. He seems to encase his cast in dioramas.||

Literally in this movie. There are scenes that are stills, except they're not stills, they're literally the people and props posed mid-action.

Posted by: moviegique at November 06, 2021 07:35 PM (asXVI)

108 81 So what was the best sci-fi flick of the 1950s, the 1960s, the 1970s, the 1980s, and the 1990s, everyone?

(I'm looking for five different movies, obviously.)
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 06, 2021 07:27 PM (L2ZTs)

I think that's fairly easy:

1950's - Forbidden Planet, (easily)
1960's - 2001, a Space Odyssey (easily)
1970's - well I hate to say Star Wars, since that's really Space Opera, not sci-fi. But it did revolutionize and reset the genre. I say the best sci-fi movie is Alien (1979)
1980's - Bladerunner, for my money the best sci-fi movie ever.
1990's - best sci-fi you may have never seen is Gattaca

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 06, 2021 07:36 PM (evAgx)

109 BTW, this cassoulet is awesome. Will be even better tomorrow.

I had one small bowl and I am full.

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V at November 06, 2021 07:36 PM (HabA/)

110 This story about finding Vivian's photos is like finding Anne Frank's diary. Except less tragic.
Posted by: ALH at November 06, 2021 07:16 PM (/+B8L)

I have a box of my Dad's old acetate negatives in a box, he was a reporter and liked taking pictures back in the 60's.

I need to find out the best way to scan them so I can see what is there. He was cheap so he would get the negatives done and then print what he liked best.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 06, 2021 07:37 PM (P9T5R)

111 Tom Servo, thanks!

I think your choices would be mine, although in fairness I haven't seen nearly enough sci-fi of any decade.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 06, 2021 07:37 PM (L2ZTs)

112 The Jodorowsy Dune documentary made me glad he never made it. The art/idea book was amazing, and there was a terrific roster of talent associated with it, but come on. He's nuts.

"I raped Herbert's book -- but with love!"
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 06, 2021 07:08 PM (Dc2NZ)

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Amen to that, it would have been a complete mess.

Posted by: Darth Randall at November 06, 2021 07:37 PM (3TihK)

113 Point of personal privelege!

"Alien" is not a sci-fi movie, it's an "old, dark house" movie set in space.

Posted by: moviegique at November 06, 2021 07:37 PM (asXVI)

114 Also, does Terry Gilliam's Brazil count as sci-fi?

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 06, 2021 07:37 PM (L2ZTs)

115 Also a weird thing about it is its soundtrack. Some of it is actually upbeat and positive-sounding, which IMHO doesn't belong in a movie about how most people are cowards.
Posted by: qdpsteve

It's programmed; it's meant to simulate the heroic style of previous western but inserts the dissonant clangs and notes at the end of every other phrase.

I really don't care that it's trying to be subversive; it's just that it's dishonest in the characterization of the whole fucking plot.

Hey, here's a weird one; what's the motivation of any of the antagonists other than mindless revenge?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 06, 2021 07:38 PM (1t5dY)

116 "I raped Herbert's book -- but with love!"
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 06, 2021 07:08 PM (Dc2NZ)
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Amen to that, it would have been a complete mess.
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Hey, is it fair to say he "raped" Herbert's book when I'm pretty sure he didn't even READ it? That was a thing in the doc, wasn't it? That he didn't want to ruin his idea of what it was by reading the book?

Posted by: moviegique at November 06, 2021 07:38 PM (asXVI)

117 "Alien" is cosmic horror with science fiction trappings.

I love it.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 06, 2021 07:38 PM (Dc2NZ)

118 99 I see those and some ultralights along the highway running by the river levee. There's a sod farm the folks use for an impromptu airport. Evidently the owner lets them use it or is one of the gang.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at November 06, 2021 07:38 PM (C1Lsn)

119 weft-cut, actually I think that motivation of the bad guys is common in westerns.

The bad guys are on their way back to town for mindless revenge in High Plains Drifter, too.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 06, 2021 07:38 PM (L2ZTs)

120 I like Wes Anderson well enough but then my tolerance of whimsy can be pretty high.

His early movies were better before he became "Wes Anderson" now every Wes Anderson movie is filmed by Wes Anderson playing "Wes Anderson".

That said, I'd like to see Wes Anderson's "DUNE".

BONUS! The one Wes Anderson flick which sucks beyond redemption is "The Life Aquatic". Just awful.

Posted by: naturalfake at November 06, 2021 07:39 PM (5NkmN)

121 109 BTW, this cassoulet is awesome. Will be even better tomorrow.

I had one small bowl and I am full.
Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V at November 06, 2021 07:36 PM (HabA/)

Great! Glad it turned out well.

That's the other thing that makes cassoulet cost-effective. It's one of the most filling foods there is.

Posted by: Splunge at November 06, 2021 07:39 PM (R+A4V)

122 Another vote for Tom Servo's list.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos (meh, it's a living) at November 06, 2021 07:39 PM (3DZIZ)

123 114 Also, does Terry Gilliam's Brazil count as sci-fi?
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 06, 2021 07:37 PM (L2ZTs)

It isn't set in outer space, so no.

It's more like "1984" or "Brave New World" - a vision of a dysfunctional future on earth.

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V at November 06, 2021 07:39 PM (HabA/)

124 ||Hey, here's a weird one; what's the motivation of any of the antagonists other than mindless revenge?||

Yup. And what's Cooper's motivation for hanging around? The only thing I could see was that if he left, he might not make it safely to some other, distant point.

And if Cooper is gone, what are the bad guy's going to do? If it's destroy the town, so? If none of them care, what exactly is Cooper fighting for?

Posted by: moviegique at November 06, 2021 07:40 PM (asXVI)

125 Hey, is it fair to say he "raped" Herbert's book when I'm pretty sure he didn't even READ it? That was a thing in the doc, wasn't it? That he didn't want to ruin his idea of what it was by reading the book?
Posted by: moviegique at November 06, 2021 07:38 PM (asXVI)
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LOL, I don't remember that bit.

"Hey yer honor, how could I rape it if I never even read it?"

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 06, 2021 07:40 PM (Dc2NZ)

126 Donna, not to argue with you but I think Logan's Run is set on earth as well, and that's definitely considred sci-fi. (In fact I consider it the very last old-fashioned pre-Star Wars sci fi flick.)

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 06, 2021 07:40 PM (L2ZTs)

127 Also, does Terry Gilliam's Brazil count as sci-fi?
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 06, 2021 07:37 PM (L2ZTs)
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Only if A Clockwork Orangeis sci fi.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 06, 2021 07:41 PM (EZebt)

128 Joe Don Baker --
If you like Baker, don't miss his turn as a hitman in the excellent Walter Matthau flick CHARLEY VARRICK.
Posted by: Just Some Guy at November 06, 2021 07:15 PM (JzDjf)

Yup....great movie. Great scene when he goes to repo that car and tells the guy after punching him out, "I allow very few men to speak to me in that tone. Few caucasians. And no nigras at all."

Probably banned today.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 06, 2021 07:41 PM (R/m4+)

129 117 "Alien" is cosmic horror with science fiction trappings.

I love it.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 06, 2021 07:38 PM (Dc2NZ)

Agreed. I also really liked how it emphasized the "we are really just space truckers" theme with blue-collar types and a general attitude of everything being routine, instead of "look how cool we are, we're in space."

Posted by: Splunge at November 06, 2021 07:41 PM (R+A4V)

130 We had a team of cinematographer's team scouted our church for a movie this afternoon.

It's not like out church is a cathedral or anything.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 06, 2021 07:41 PM (rdbLX)

131 English, how do it work?!

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 06, 2021 07:42 PM (rdbLX)

132 Oooh, that's food for thought -- different directors' interpretations of "Dune".

Uwe Boll!
Tim Burton!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 06, 2021 07:42 PM (Dc2NZ)

133 Only if A Clockwork Orangeis sci fi.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 06, 2021 07:41 PM (EZebt)

Clockwork Orange becomes less fiction all the time.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 06, 2021 07:43 PM (csEWM)

134 Uwe Boll? Dune as a videogame-like porno flick.

Tim Burton: Steampunk Dune with Helena Bonham-Carter.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 06, 2021 07:43 PM (L2ZTs)

135 Is Twelve Monkeys science fiction?
Is Inception science fiction?

I admit I don't really care about the answer, but they're both great movies.

Posted by: Splunge at November 06, 2021 07:43 PM (R+A4V)

136 ||BONUS! The one Wes Anderson flick which sucks beyond redemption is "The Life Aquatic". Just awful.||

That's the only one I didn't like much. Although, I wasn't a big fan of "The Darjeeling Limited" at the time, and when I re-viewed it I found it much better. I actually ended up liking all his films better when the local bijou did a retrospective.

Posted by: moviegique at November 06, 2021 07:43 PM (asXVI)

137 Aetius, yup :-P

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 06, 2021 07:43 PM (L2ZTs)

138 73 You guys like Wes Anderson movies?
Posted by: moviegique

I really liked The Grand Budapest Hotel
Also liked Isle of Dogs, and Moonrise Kingdom
The Fantastic Mr Fox - I didn't like as much as I thought I would

Posted by: vmom - link to Red's fundraiser at November 06, 2021 07:43 PM (YZG/i)

139 Foundation is not good. The further it goes along, the more tangential it is to the books. It is almost telling a story that is the opposite of the intent of Asimov. I can handle story changes if you follow the intent of the author. The showrunners can't seem to do that. One character, without any experience, is going to navigate a spaceship because she is lucky. Oh and I guess because black and female. Another destroys a display and crashes the computer system? The emperor stuff could be interesting in another story. Honestly, if they stripped out the Asimov references and did a fresh story they would have a better chance at a better show.

Posted by: WiNO at November 06, 2021 07:43 PM (3RlYu)

140 Special Category - Dark City (199

is the best sci fi movie that ends with the hero and his Chief Enemy floating in the air and shooting lightning bolts out of their hands at each other.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 06, 2021 07:44 PM (evAgx)

141 weft-cut, actually I think that motivation of the bad guys is common in westerns.

The bad guys are on their way back to town for mindless revenge in High Plains Drifter, too.
Posted by: qdpsteve

Yes, the mindless motivation is a common thing, but it makes a farce of the whole post-modern critique of the heroic western.

Hero bad, complicated antagonist complicated.

No, the superhero cowboy and the complicated antag are both empty.

But what's the outcome, the result of both?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 06, 2021 07:44 PM (1t5dY)

142 Well, this is kind of what I mean. I saw and loved "The French Dispatch" but reviews of Wes Anderson movies can all be boiled down to, "Do you like Wes Anderson? Well, then you'll like this. If not? You won't."
Posted by: moviegique at November 06, 2021 07:32 PM (asXVI)

I guess people like his stuff but does every movie you make have to be weird and quirky? The Coen Brothers didn't fall into that trap, they mix it up a bit.

Posted by: lowandslow at November 06, 2021 07:44 PM (4thlk)

143 Tim Burton: Steampunk Dune with Helena Bonham-Carter.

Dune is already, sort of, kind of, Steampunkish.

Posted by: Puddleglum at November 06, 2021 07:44 PM (QFVV9)

144 Also I saw a poster of Steven Spielberg's West Side Story.

Apparently his new version still takes place in 1961, just like Robert Wise's did (although then, it was just the present day). Maria is still wandering around in a big flowing white dress.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 06, 2021 07:44 PM (L2ZTs)

145 Oooh, that's food for thought -- different directors' interpretations of "Dune".

Uwe Boll!
Tim Burton!
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 06, 2021 07:42 PM (Dc2NZ)

That would be a neat series.

Remake DUNE every couple of years with a new director. It would be like a steel-cage death match to see who is the greatest director of all time.

Posted by: naturalfake at November 06, 2021 07:44 PM (5NkmN)

146 There is an extended fan-edit on youtube by Spicediver that adds 40 minutes to the Lynch version of Dune. Highly recommended.

Posted by: Darth Randall at November 06, 2021 07:45 PM (3TihK)

147 I kinda figured the Foundation series would be No Bueno. It's a very talky series with massive time jumps. Hard to film.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 06, 2021 07:45 PM (Dc2NZ)

148 Dark City is really good. It gets overlooked quite a bit because it got buried by The Matrix. They came out around the same time. I think Dark City was a better flick (shrugs).

Posted by: Puddleglum at November 06, 2021 07:46 PM (QFVV9)

149 Splunge, yup.
You can tell the characters in Alien spend too much time sitting around being bored out of their skulls.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 06, 2021 07:46 PM (L2ZTs)

150 145 Remake DUNE every couple of years with a new director. It would be like a steel-cage death match to see who is the greatest director of all time.
Posted by: naturalfake at November 06, 2021 07:44 PM (5NkmN)

Sounds great, if I don't have to watch any of the movies.

Dune is a great book. It's a great book despite the stilted, pompous dialogue and stilted, pompous inner thoughts. And yet it is entirely dependent on both of those elements. That's why I consider it unfilmable.

Posted by: Splunge at November 06, 2021 07:47 PM (R+A4V)

151 143 Tim Burton: Steampunk Dune with Helena Bonham-Carter.

Dune is already, sort of, kind of, Steampunkish.
Posted by: Puddleglum at November 06, 2021 07:44 PM (QFVV9)

You talking about the use of knives and swords?

I wonder what my mental image of Dune would beif I had read the book before seeing the Lynch movie.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 06, 2021 07:47 PM (csEWM)

152 Better than High Noon with a similar plot:

High Plains Drifter

high noon except the sheriff is a vengeful angel intent on taking revenge on *everyone*, not just the "bad men".

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 06, 2021 07:47 PM (evAgx)

153 Alien" is not a sci-fi movie, it's an "old, dark house" movie set in space.
Posted by: moviegique at November 06, 2021 07:37 PM (asXVI)

Didn't someone describe it as Beowulf in space?

Posted by: vmom - link to Red's fundraiser at November 06, 2021 07:48 PM (YZG/i)

154 Tim Burton: Steampunk Dune with Helena Bonham-Carter.

I would totally watch that.

Posted by: Oddbob at November 06, 2021 07:48 PM (nfrXX)

155 One can view or download 'Finding Vivian Maier' at Internet Archive.

Posted by: Braenyard at November 06, 2021 07:48 PM (S2adH)

156 weft-cut, hmmmmm

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 06, 2021 07:48 PM (L2ZTs)

157 148 Dark City is really good. It gets overlooked quite a bit because it got buried by The Matrix. They came out around the same time. I think Dark City was a better flick (shrugs).
Posted by: Puddleglum at November 06, 2021 07:46 PM (QFVV9)

I agree, Dark City is a lot more psychological.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 06, 2021 07:48 PM (evAgx)

158 "We had a team of cinematographer's team scouted our church for a movie this afternoon."
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 06, 2021 07:41 PM (rdbLX)

I hope Alec Baldwin ain't involved, he hasn't had much luck with movie churches and cinematographers recently.

Posted by: lowandslow at November 06, 2021 07:48 PM (4thlk)

159 "Brazil" seems prophetic. I mean, look at this scene - this is routine for Nancy Pelosi:

https://tinyurl.com/jnu4umtc

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V at November 06, 2021 07:50 PM (HabA/)

160 146 There is an extended fan-edit on youtube by Spicediver that adds 40 minutes to the Lynch version of Dune. Highly recommended.
Posted by: Darth Randall at November 06, 2021 07:45 PM (3TihK)

My review: "This video contains content from Universal Pictures (Vobile), who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds."

Posted by: Splunge at November 06, 2021 07:50 PM (R+A4V)

161 94 I think Alien came out in 1979 but could be 80.
Though Sci-fi I consider it in my top 10 horror movies

Posted by: Skip at November 06, 2021 07:31 PM (2JoB

I took a friend and his very pregnant wife to see "Alien" at a theater. His wife spent the major part of the movie in the Ladies

Posted by: Javems at November 06, 2021 07:50 PM (AmoqO)

162
I think a failed masterpiece is something like "Zardoz" .It probably could've been great but it wasn't mostly becuz the director/writer couldn't decide what he wanted to do.
Posted by: naturalfake at November 06, 2021 07:33 PM (5NkmN)

Zardoz was a failed masterpiece that lacked understanding of what the special effects could do and what the actual concept behind the plot was.
Filmed correctly it could have been as influential as The Prisoner and One Flew Over the Cuckoo's nest.

IMHO

Posted by: Kindltot at November 06, 2021 07:51 PM (P9T5R)

163 Donna, you mean Katherine Helmond's face-stretching scene? Pure Pelosi. :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 06, 2021 07:51 PM (L2ZTs)

164 152 Better than High Noon with a similar plot:

High Plains Drifter

high noon except the sheriff is a vengeful angel intent on taking revenge on *everyone*, not just the "bad men".
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 06, 2021 07:47 PM (evAgx)

I dislike HPD, but I think the point is that the townspeople are also the bad guys. Or it is trying to make the point that we are all the REAL monsters. I hated the point in the Living Dead movies and I hate it here.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 06, 2021 07:51 PM (csEWM)

165 Mrs. E has read, re-read, and re-re-read Dune. She saw the movie version with the Twin Peaks guy. She saw the new version couple days ago and says she will go back to fill in the gaps. All in all she liked it. Me? Nope. No theaters for me.

Posted by: Eromero at November 06, 2021 07:51 PM (0OP+5)

166 I kinda figured the Foundation series would be No Bueno. It's a very talky series with massive time jumps. Hard to film.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 06, 2021 07:45 PM (Dc2NZ)

In some ways yes. But, the characters and story were thin enough that you could play with it to make it work. I think the idea of the cloned emperor is a good addition. Everything else though seems to be them not wanting to work within the general concept. Salvor is simply special and gung ho for violence, not a political operator. Gaal had one scene where she outwits the computer. Otherwise she spends her time whining and crying. Ugh, I could go on.

Posted by: WiNO at November 06, 2021 07:52 PM (3RlYu)

167 72 - Silent Running
76 - Logans Run
79 - Alien

Posted by: Skip at November 06, 2021 07:52 PM (2JoB8)

168 And Donna, I liked Brazil.

Posted by: Eromero at November 06, 2021 07:53 PM (0OP+5)

169 ||The Fantastic Mr Fox - I didn't like as much as I thought I would||

That was another one I didn't like much when it first came out, but on re-view it seemed so much better. Anderson's movies are subtly (and sometimes not so subtly) affected by his co-writers, which are mainly Roman Coppola and Jason Schwartzman, and I think I prefer Coppola to Schwartzman, writing wise. Even so, I think they're getting better over time.

This Wes Anderson's X-Men thing shows the problem with satire:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UngE0qn3VRY

It was a ton of work and it only manages to =barely= capture a tiny bit of the Anderson aesthetic.

Posted by: moviegique at November 06, 2021 07:53 PM (asXVI)

170 159 "Brazil" seems prophetic. I mean, look at this scene - this is routine for Nancy Pelosi:

https://tinyurl.com/jnu4umtc
Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V at November 06, 2021 07:50 PM (HabA/)
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Ha! I know what this is without clicking on it.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 06, 2021 07:55 PM (Dc2NZ)

171 Silent Running, the film where the botanist realizes plants need sunlight.

Posted by: WiNO at November 06, 2021 07:55 PM (3RlYu)

172 Satire is tough to pull off. Too often it sails right over the audience's heads.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 06, 2021 07:55 PM (L2ZTs)

173 Since we are on photography, El Diario, a Spanish newspaper and web publisher put out an article about photos from the Spanish Civil War with 20 color (and colorized) period photos.

https://tinyurl.com/ytsh6znd

(you gotta click the "acceptar" button in the lower right, it allows cookies)

Posted by: Kindltot at November 06, 2021 07:56 PM (P9T5R)

174 155 One can view or download 'Finding Vivian Maier' at Internet Archive.
Posted by: Braenyard at November 06, 2021 07:48 PM (S2adH)

I definitely will. I like when the Movie Thread features quirky or obscure movies.

I quite liked the silent film "The Trial of Joan of Arc."

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V at November 06, 2021 07:57 PM (HabA/)

175
Zardoz was a failed masterpiece that lacked understanding of what the special effects could do and what the actual concept behind the plot was.
Filmed correctly it could have been as influential as The Prisoner and One Flew Over the Cuckoo's nest.

IMHO
Posted by: Kindltot at November 06, 2021 07:51 PM (P9T5R)

come on, you gotta love any money that puts Sean Connery in a Red Thong and then says "THE PENIS IS EVIL!!!"

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 06, 2021 07:57 PM (evAgx)

176 Hmmm.
Google describes Brazil as a "science fiction black comedy film."

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 06, 2021 07:57 PM (L2ZTs)

177
My review: "This video contains content from Universal Pictures (Vobile), who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds."
Posted by: Splunge at November 06, 2021 07:50 PM (R+A4V)
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The below link is working for me in the U.S.

https://youtu.be/faHQA_0d9Mo

Posted by: Darth Randall at November 06, 2021 07:57 PM (3TihK)

178 This evening has been good - a big bowl o' chili and mezcal to go along with it.

The downside?

I'm watching "The Last Action Hero', which I haven't seen since the 80s(?).

Anywho, it deserves it's reputation as a suckhole. A one joke movie that keeps elbowing you in the ribs while saying "Geddit? You get that? Geddit?"

Bleh.

Posted by: naturalfake at November 06, 2021 07:57 PM (5NkmN)

179 167 72 - Silent Running
76 - Logans Run
79 - Alien
Posted by: Skip at November 06, 2021 07:52 PM (2JoB

I used to love Logan's Run. I rewatched recently and realized they say flat out that they control the birth rate, i.e. one for each person lost at Carousel. All they need to do is cut the birth rate down and people could live their natural lives with the available resources. Carousel is entirely arbitrary and unnecessary.

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at November 06, 2021 07:58 PM (u1eUk)

180 Quirky, funny, eccentric, but also cruel and brooding and a hoarder and, in the end, of questionable sanity.
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Doesn't this, ultimately, describe many of us?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 06, 2021 07:58 PM (Dc2NZ)

181 ||Didn't someone describe it as Beowulf in space?

I'm sorry; I read this and just started thinking about how this could be applied anywhere with interesting results.

A Nightmare on Elm Street? Beowulf in the suburbs.
Grease? Beowulf in the '50s.
A Miracle On 34th Street? Beowulf at Gimbels.

But for reals? I don't know if I see it. You get Grendel in the form of the alien, I guess? And I guess Sigourney gets naked at the end to finally defeat it?

Posted by: moviegique at November 06, 2021 07:58 PM (asXVI)

182
Satire is tough to pull off. Too often it sails right over the audience's heads.
Posted by: qdpsteve

Stupid People can't appreciate The Flamingo Kid, because the comedy isn't as overt as Caddyshack.

The Flamingo Kid is a superior film to Caddyshack and a classic, in my opinion.

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 06, 2021 07:59 PM (Gc3e6)

183 I learned recently that the same guy, Bob Clark, wrote and directed both A Christmas Story and Porky's.

I have no idea what to make of this information.
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at November 06, 2021 07:10 PM (u1eUk)

Sounds like he was a professional - when he started with wholesome family humor, he wrote that script. When the idea was crass nonsense, he wrote one for that.

Too many authors think they need to be the script and take it over.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 06, 2021 07:59 PM (eoQWY)

184 Tablet is out of power so should I
Have a great evening everyone

Posted by: Skip at November 06, 2021 07:59 PM (2JoB8)

185 Lynch's "Dune" is a failed masterpiece. There is enough in it to recommend at least one viewing, if only for the cast, costumes, and interiors. There's an extended version that adds storyboards and artwork with voiceover to pad the unfinished segments.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 06, 2021 07:24 PM (Dc2NZ)

The "Alan Smithee" version is my favorite. Lynch rejected it, which is why it carries the Directors Guild of America pseudonym. Mostly because it cut some of the grossest scenes, but it also added a few non-gross scenes which were very good. The story boards, as background, was understandable but not inspirational.

Posted by: HTL at November 06, 2021 07:59 PM (7SBMg)

186 I liked "Zardoz" because Charlotte Rampling.

Posted by: Javems at November 06, 2021 07:59 PM (AmoqO)

187 I watched a YouTube video years ago that had the main purpose of tearing into the shit ending of Mass Effect 3 being that Science Fiction is "what if?/imagine if." One of this being how they described it. So you take a scientific idea and apply that. So like "what if faster than light travel was possible?" And going from that. I'm explaining their definition horribly I think.

Posted by: Buzzion at November 06, 2021 07:59 PM (HdRco)

188 Sooth, Flamingo Kid is a movie I've been meaning to catch up with forever.

Also, from what I've heard, Peggy Sue Got Married is kind of a social satire of Back To The Future. I don't see it.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 06, 2021 07:59 PM (L2ZTs)

189
"Subtlety" applies more than "satire" for The Flamingo Kid. But my point stands.

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 06, 2021 08:00 PM (Gc3e6)

190 I'm sorry; I read this and just started thinking about how this could be applied anywhere with interesting results.

A Nightmare on Elm Street? Beowulf in the suburbs.
Grease? Beowulf in the '50s.
A Miracle On 34th Street? Beowulf at Gimbels.

But for reals? I don't know if I see it. You get Grendel in the form of the alien, I guess? And I guess Sigourney gets naked at the end to finally defeat it?
Posted by: moviegique at November 06, 2021 07:58 PM (asXVI)
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Faster, Pussycat! Kill, Kill! is Beowulf in yo pussy.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 06, 2021 08:00 PM (Dc2NZ)

191 ||Doesn't this, ultimately, describe many of us?

Nothing questionable about MY sanity. Or they might let me out.

Re Dark City: Movie most likely to make me think I'm having a stroke.

Posted by: moviegique at November 06, 2021 08:02 PM (asXVI)

192 Carousel is entirely arbitrary and unnecessary.
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at November 06, 2021 07:58 PM (u1eUk)

Actually, the logic works. If everyone lives to 80 you begin to get an old age imbalance and it becomes difficult to replace the lost population because you don't have young people. If you bump off people once they are leaving the fertility range, you can easily maintain the population balance.

Posted by: WiNO at November 06, 2021 08:02 PM (3RlYu)

193 Outlander, 2008 (the Movie, not the series) actually is a sci-fi retelling of Beowulf.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 06, 2021 08:02 PM (evAgx)

194 The only Wes Anderson movie I've seen is "Rushmore" which I really like.

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at November 06, 2021 08:03 PM (DTX3h)

195 172 Satire is tough to pull off. Too often it sails right over the audience's heads.
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 06, 2021 07:55 PM (L2ZTs)

Disagree. I think the problem is that people are not really satirizing something- they are just critiquing it and trying to be funny. I guess the distinction I am trying to make is the difference between laughing about something and laughing at it. One requires a genuine respect for the thing that you are satirizing, while the other is just you trying to make fun of it.

The best example for my point I can think of: Monty Python. Life of Brian works not just because it is trying to make fun of religious epics, but it is also deeply steeped in the culture that it is poking fun of. The latin conjugation scene, the 'What have the Romans ever done for US?' scene, etc. Pythons (at least some of them) still loved what they were making fun of and I think this is where Cleese is coming from now.

A lot of modern stuff is more trying to completely subvert everything and it is like kicking supports of the observation deck at the grand canyon while you are standing on it. An dispassionate observer might take some humor in it, but you won't.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 06, 2021 08:03 PM (csEWM)

196
The Karate Kid was Beowulf with karatay.

Change my mind.

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 06, 2021 08:03 PM (Gc3e6)

197 Watching Lucky Number Slevin right now. Decent multiple plot twist movie.

Posted by: Just a side note at November 06, 2021 08:03 PM (2DOZq)

198 Point of personal privelege!

"Alien" is not a sci-fi movie, it's an "old, dark house" movie set in space.
Posted by: moviegique at November 06, 2021 07:37 PM (asXVI)

I consider that a non sequitur. An SF movie describes a temporal location, not a plot or type of film. Its like saying you it isn't an SF movie because its in color.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 06, 2021 08:04 PM (eoQWY)

199 193 Outlander, 2008 (the Movie, not the series) actually is a sci-fi retelling of Beowulf.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 06, 2021 08:02 PM (evAgx)

13th Warrior was a far better film- and I sort of liked Outlander.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 06, 2021 08:05 PM (csEWM)

200 Aetius, good points...

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 06, 2021 08:05 PM (L2ZTs)

201 You guys like Wes Anderson movies?

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I will unashamedly state that he's my favorite film-maker. I saw Bottlerocket years ago and I was hooked.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Pfizer added a heart attack stabilizer to the kids injection, p14 at November 06, 2021 08:05 PM (QqXpN)

202 The Karate Kid was Beowulf with karatay.

Change my mind.
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 06, 2021 08:03 PM (Gc3e6)

To be Beowulf, the first baddie's Mom has to show up and be the worst baddie of all.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 06, 2021 08:05 PM (eoQWY)

203 Rushmore is very much a Moron movie btw.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Pfizer added a heart attack stabilizer to the kids injection, p14 at November 06, 2021 08:05 PM (QqXpN)

204 Moron Robbie, I've read Rushmore is actually based on, among a lot of other things, Charles Schulz and Peanuts quite a bit, which I find quite interesting.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 06, 2021 08:06 PM (L2ZTs)

205 A hamburger is Beowulf in a sandwich.

Fight me!

Posted by: naturalfake at November 06, 2021 08:06 PM (5NkmN)

206 The best example for my point I can think of: Monty Python. Life of Brian works not just because it is trying to make fun of religious epics, but it is also deeply steeped in the culture that it is poking fun of. The latin conjugation scene, the 'What have the Romans ever done for US?' scene, etc. Pythons (at least some of them) still loved what they were making fun of and I think this is where Cleese is coming from now."

same reason Galaxy Quest works so well - not just a satire of Trek, but it's clear that they love Trek and they love Trek Fans even more. Every Trek fan could see him or herself somewhere in that movie.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 06, 2021 08:07 PM (evAgx)

207 Outland is a better version of High Noon resolving the plot flaws noted above plus it is sci fi. Only the frontier is now outer space.

Posted by: whig at November 06, 2021 08:07 PM (9hXN1)

208 I will unashamedly state that he's my favorite film-maker. I saw Bottlerocket years ago and I was hooked.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Pfizer added a heart attack stabilizer to the kids injection, p14 at November 06, 2021 08:05 PM (QqXpN)
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Then you will like "French Dispatch", almost certainly.

Bonus: L�a Seydoux is very naked in it.

Posted by: moviegique at November 06, 2021 08:07 PM (asXVI)

209 same reason Galaxy Quest works so well - not just a satire of Trek, but it's clear that they love Trek and they love Trek Fans even more. Every Trek fan could see him or herself somewhere in that movie.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 06, 2021 08:07 PM (evAgx)

That's it exactly. Thanks for the example.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 06, 2021 08:08 PM (csEWM)

210 195 I guess the distinction I am trying to make is the difference between laughing about something and laughing at it. One requires a genuine respect for the thing that you are satirizing, while the other is just you trying to make fun of it.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 06, 2021 08:03 PM (csEWM)

Great comment. I agree. So did Norm MacDonald. He was asked about Alec Baldwin's Trump impression, and he said he didn't think it was any good, because "to do a good impression of someone, you have to like them." You can see that in his "impressions" of Burt Reynolds and Bob Dole. They weren't, technically, good impressions, but they captured something well, and they were full of joy.

Posted by: Splunge at November 06, 2021 08:08 PM (R+A4V)

211 179 167 72 - Silent Running
76 - Logans Run
79 - Alien
Posted by: Skip at November 06, 2021 07:52 PM (2JoB

I used to love Logan's Run. I rewatched recently and realized they say flat out that they control the birth rate, i.e. one for each person lost at Carousel. All they need to do is cut the birth rate down and people could live their natural lives with the available resources. Carousel is entirely arbitrary and unnecessary.
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer

A nekid Jenny Agutter. Don't overthink it.

Posted by: Puddleglum at November 06, 2021 08:08 PM (QFVV9)

212 13th Warrior was a far better film- and I sort of liked Outlander.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 06, 2021 08:05 PM (csEWM)

well the story was written by Michael Crichton, so yeah.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 06, 2021 08:09 PM (evAgx)

213 Moron Robbie, I've read Rushmore is actually based on, among a lot of other things, Charles Schulz and Peanuts quite a bit, which I find quite interesting.

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That is interesting.

I honestly, truly recommend everyone pick it up the next time they're at the library. It's not the easiest story to describe, but it has Bill Murray as a rich guy who has lost his way and he befriends a young man at a prep school who is a really, really poor performing student but has a lot of heart and big dreams. That's all I'll say because it gets quickly into spoilers if I go any more, but it's a fun story.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Pfizer added a heart attack stabilizer to the kids injection, p14 at November 06, 2021 08:09 PM (QqXpN)

214 Oooh, I've seen this documentary. The photos are amazing, and yes, this woman was prolific. Fascinating.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 06, 2021 08:09 PM (bDqIh)

215 206 The best example for my point I can think of: Monty Python. Life of Brian works not just because it is trying to make fun of religious epics, but it is also deeply steeped in the culture that it is poking fun of. The latin conjugation scene, the 'What have the Romans ever done for US?' scene, etc. Pythons (at least some of them) still loved what they were making fun of and I think this is where Cleese is coming from now."

same reason Galaxy Quest works so well - not just a satire of Trek, but it's clear that they love Trek and they love Trek Fans even more. Every Trek fan could see him or herself somewhere in that movie.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 06, 20

Respecting the material you are joking about versus mocking it to be "funny."

Posted by: Buzzion at November 06, 2021 08:09 PM (XOODc)

216 I consider that a non sequitur. An SF movie describes a temporal location, not a plot or type of film. Its like saying you it isn't an SF movie because its in color.
Posted by: Oldcat at November 06, 2021 08:04 PM (eoQWY)
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While I was being tongue-in-cheek, there are traditions, literary and cinematic, and a strong argument to make that just because a movie has certain superficial trappings does NOT necessarily mean that it is part of that tradition.

"Alien" (and its spiritual forebearer, "It! The Terror From Beyond Space") are old, dark house movies where the house just happens to be a spaceship.

"Independence Day" is a disaster movie where the disaster happens to be an alien invasion.

Posted by: moviegique at November 06, 2021 08:10 PM (asXVI)

217 I watched a YouTube video years ago that had the main purpose of tearing into the shit ending of Mass Effect 3 being that Science Fiction is "what if?/imagine if." One of this being how they described it. So you take a scientific idea and apply that. So like "what if faster than light travel was possible?" And going from that. I'm explaining their definition horribly I think.
Posted by: Buzzion at November 06, 2021 07:59 PM (HdRco)

Plenty of SF does not deal on tech what-ifs at all. Perhaps most of it. It is just a setting to tell stories, with more freedom because it hasn't already happened.

Look at Star Trek - space travel and all the tech is a given postulate, and is hardly explored. The stories are about how the men and women react to what they find when exploring and how it affects them.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 06, 2021 08:10 PM (eoQWY)

218 Then you will like "French Dispatch", almost certainly.

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I have no doubt. Also the naked is appreciated as well.

I own very few movies on purpose, although I've stumbled into quite a collection at library sales and what-not. I purposely own all Wes Anderson films.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Pfizer added a heart attack stabilizer to the kids injection, p14 at November 06, 2021 08:11 PM (QqXpN)

219 >>I still remember about 1983, when Ansel Adams was all the rage. I've often wondered what he would have said if asked to do the cinematography for a movie. (My hunch is he would have said no, as he was definitely a still photography guy, but it's fun to think about.)

Would it be black and white or color?

One 'meh' film that has gorgeous cinematography is Walter Mitty. There's also so,e good, moody music to go with it. Shame the story itself is not as affecting.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 06, 2021 08:12 PM (bDqIh)

220 ||A nekid Jenny Agutter. Don't overthink it.

I think she's even more nekkid in "American Werewolf in London". Watched that with the kids last week before Halloween, and had to explain, "Well, you see, kids, between 1970 and about 1995, every horror movie had to have at least one sex scene."

Posted by: moviegique at November 06, 2021 08:12 PM (asXVI)

221 Didn't someone describe it as Beowulf in space?
Posted by: vmom - link to Red's fundraiser at November 06, 2021 07:48 PM (YZG/i)

I think that is actually Aliens, what with a band of picked men going to defend a Heorot, and Grendel's Mum and everything.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 06, 2021 08:14 PM (P9T5R)

222 Moron Robbie, what I've heard about Rushmore is that the student character becomes *so* incredibly unbeatable, victorious and incredible... he starts to become alienating to people.

Which IMHO makes a lot of sense. Look at someone like Jeff Bezos. He's mindbendingly successful and also obviously someone who's probably hard to really relate to in numerous ways.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 06, 2021 08:14 PM (L2ZTs)

223 Predator is a Haunted House movie.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 06, 2021 08:14 PM (csEWM)

224 Lizzy, with Ansel on board to do the cinematography, the film would *have* to be in b&w.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 06, 2021 08:15 PM (L2ZTs)

225 I think that is actually Aliens, what with a band of picked men going to defend a Heorot, and Grendel's Mum and everything.
Posted by: Kindltot at November 06, 2021 08:14 PM (P9T5R)

Except the hand picked guys are really stupid.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 06, 2021 08:15 PM (csEWM)

226
Look at Star Trek - space travel and all the tech is a given postulate, and is hardly explored. The stories are about how the men and women react to what they find when exploring and how it affects them.
Posted by: Oldcat at November 06, 2021 08:10 PM (eoQWY)

and it works because Tech is "gee-whiz!" type stuff, but building Characters and examining how they react to intense situations is what gets an audience hooked in and keeps them watching.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 06, 2021 08:15 PM (evAgx)

227 216 "Alien" (and its spiritual forebearer, "It! The Terror From Beyond Space") are old, dark house movies where the house just happens to be a spaceship.

"Independence Day" is a disaster movie where the disaster happens to be an alien invasion.
Posted by: moviegique at November 06, 2021 08:10 PM (asXVI)

I'll give you Independence Day, but Alien gets some serious Sci-Fi points on plausibility. There really could be a creature like that, and the big surprise of the movie is not a surprise, biologically. Aliens departed from that, especially when Ripley went into the creche and did not encounter a serious defense of the sort that any organism would muster in that situation.

Posted by: Splunge at November 06, 2021 08:15 PM (R+A4V)

228 "Well, you see, kids, between 1970 and about 1995, every horror movie had to have at least one sex scene."
Posted by: moviegique

It is known.

Posted by: Tonypete at November 06, 2021 08:15 PM (mD/uy)

229 I can't even spell TV and yet always always always enjoy your threads.

Posted by: busdrivee at November 06, 2021 08:15 PM (q6Qym)

230
While I was being tongue-in-cheek, there are traditions, literary and cinematic, and a strong argument to make that just because a movie has certain superficial trappings does NOT necessarily mean that it is part of that tradition.

"Alien" (and its spiritual forebearer, "It! The Terror From Beyond Space") are old, dark house movies where the house just happens to be a spaceship.

"Independence Day" is a disaster movie where the disaster happens to be an alien invasion.
Posted by: moviegique at November 06, 2021 08:10 PM (asXVI)

The scary alien monster and how to beat it is a very old trope of printed SF and a large fraction of filmed SF. Every Godzilla, for example.

This seems to be the kind of over dissection you get when things get overanalyzed.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 06, 2021 08:15 PM (eoQWY)

231 I'd say Citizen Kane is probably pretty close to the movie Addams would have done. Use of Black and White to full effect. Light and Shadow. Still scenes.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 06, 2021 08:16 PM (csEWM)

232 220 "Well, you see, kids, between 1970 and about 1995, every horror movie had to have at least one sex scene."
Posted by: moviegique at November 06, 2021 08:12 PM (asXVI)

Wait, how do you tell who gets killed next, without that?

Posted by: Splunge at November 06, 2021 08:16 PM (R+A4V)

233 Except the hand picked guys are really stupid.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 06, 2021 08:15 PM (csEWM)

the commander is stupid, certainly. But it's still the best "Marines in Space!" movie ever made.

(I absolutely despise Verhoeven's desecration of Starship Troopers)

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 06, 2021 08:17 PM (evAgx)

234 moviegique and TJM, just a suggestion: I'd love to see a movie thread one week about the glory days of Hollywood violence, which I'd describe as being about from 1945 to 1995.

Cases in point: Dirty Harry, Straw Dogs, Death Wish...

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 06, 2021 08:17 PM (L2ZTs)

235 the commander is stupid, certainly. But it's still the best "Marines in Space!" movie ever made.

(I absolutely despise Verhoeven's desecration of Starship Troopers)
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 06, 2021 08:17 PM (evAgx)

Ehh, I'll agree sort of since Space: Above and Beyond was a TV show.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 06, 2021 08:17 PM (csEWM)

236 Moron Robbie, what I've heard about Rushmore is that the student character becomes *so* incredibly unbeatable, victorious and incredible... he starts to become alienating to people.

**

ha, well, I could see that as an interesting philosophical argument, but IIRC the first statement we hear regarding Max is something like "he's the worst student in the entire school."

He's a teenager on scholarship desperate to fit in with wealthy kids, and he doesn't, quite. But he's got a lot of guts.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Pfizer added a heart attack stabilizer to the kids injection, p14 at November 06, 2021 08:17 PM (QqXpN)

237 Aetius, true.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 06, 2021 08:17 PM (L2ZTs)

238 233 the commander is stupid, certainly. But it's still the best "Marines in Space!" movie ever made.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 06, 2021 08:17 PM (evAgx)

I don't really think that depicting a green, in-over-his-head new Lieutenant is much of a departure from plausible reality.

Posted by: Splunge at November 06, 2021 08:18 PM (R+A4V)

239 I'll give you Independence Day, but Alien gets some serious Sci-Fi points on plausibility. There really could be a creature like that, and the big surprise of the movie is not a surprise, biologically. Aliens departed from that, especially when Ripley went into the creche and did not encounter a serious defense of the sort that any organism would muster in that situation.
Posted by: Splunge at November 06, 2021 08:15 PM (R+A4V)

The acid blood is pretty dumb, biologically. How can it not dissolve itself. I had a joke dumb product I made up in junior high of an acid so powerful it would dissolve its container, for all containers. That's what the Alien is.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 06, 2021 08:18 PM (eoQWY)

240 Working on about 19 hours upright. Buenos huevos, muchachas y hombres.

Posted by: Eromero at November 06, 2021 08:19 PM (0OP+5)

241 >>the commander is stupid, certainly. But it's still the best "Marines in Space!" movie ever made.

And Battle Los Angeles is a great Marines fighting space creatures at home movie. That is more war movie than alien invasion.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 06, 2021 08:19 PM (bDqIh)

242 ||I'd love to see a movie thread one week about the glory days of Hollywood violence, which I'd describe as being about from 1945 to 1995.||

Violence changed radically in that time period, though! Just in the westerns, you go from the clean, bloodless kills of John Wayne and Gary Cooper to Sam Peckinpah's (by way of the Italians, I guess) "paint the walls red" stuff.

Posted by: moviegique at November 06, 2021 08:19 PM (asXVI)

243 and it works because Tech is "gee-whiz!" type stuff, but building Characters and examining how they react to intense situations is what gets an audience hooked in and keeps them watching.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 06, 2021 08:15 PM (evAgx)

That's true for any type of movie, and the forgetting of that is why so much is drek these days.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 06, 2021 08:20 PM (eoQWY)

244 "Well, you see, kids, between 1970 and about 1995, every horror movie had to have at least one sex scene."

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It's true. And the silly frat comedies would occasionally show full frontal, and inquisitive young men could just about make out what it might look like on the squiggly, distorted premium HBO and Showtime channels.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Pfizer added a heart attack stabilizer to the kids injection, p14 at November 06, 2021 08:20 PM (QqXpN)

245 The acid blood is pretty dumb, biologically. How can it not dissolve itself. I had a joke dumb product I made up in junior high of an acid so powerful it would dissolve its container, for all containers. That's what the Alien is.
Posted by: Oldcat at November 06, 2021 08:18 PM (eoQWY)

There are some pretty strong acids that have been made that theoretically have uses, but are not used because of how tricky they are to handle.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 06, 2021 08:20 PM (csEWM)

246 moviegique, true. Especially in the 1970s.

One thing that was funny to me about John Wayne's 1971 flick "Big Jake" was how when someone was shot at, suddenly the actor would have these red dots all over him, but no flowing blood.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 06, 2021 08:21 PM (L2ZTs)

247 I actually kind of like the Starship Troopers movie, with its plastic people and bugs and its inadequate weaponry.

I love the novel.

I don't consider the two to have anything whatsoever to do with each other.

Posted by: Splunge at November 06, 2021 08:21 PM (R+A4V)

248 Until "The Mote In God's Eye" and/or "Ringworld" and/or "Rendezvous With RAMA" are made true to form... Science Fiction movies suck big dicks.

Fight me.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 06, 2021 08:21 PM (BFigT)

249
Violence changed radically in that time period, though! Just in the westerns, you go from the clean, bloodless kills of John Wayne and Gary Cooper to Sam Peckinpah's (by way of the Italians, I guess) "paint the walls red" stuff.
Posted by: moviegique at November 06, 2021 08:19 PM (asXVI)

I recently rewatched "The Wild Bunch" and I was surprised to find out what a good movie that still is.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 06, 2021 08:22 PM (evAgx)

250 One thing that was funny to me about John Wayne's 1971 flick "Big Jake" was how when someone was shot at, suddenly the actor would have these red dots all over him, but no flowing blood.
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 06, 2021 08:21 PM (L2ZTs)

Ok, so let me flip that on you steve. The Shootist. The final gunfight in the saloon. Do those shots have any less weight or are they any less dramatic because there is not blood spurting everywhere?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 06, 2021 08:22 PM (csEWM)

251 226
Look at Star Trek - space travel and all the tech is a given postulate, and is hardly explored. The stories are about how the men and women react to what they find when exploring and how it affects them.
Posted by: Oldcat at November 06, 2021 08:10 PM (eoQWY)

and it works because Tech is "gee-whiz!" type stuff, but building Characters and examining how they react to intense situations is what gets an audience hooked in and keeps them watching.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 06, 2021 08:15 PM (evAgx)

And that's going to be a comparison and discussion between light sci-fi and heavier sci-fi. Even the heavier stuff is probably actually ultimately about the characters and how they deal it will just have a lot more focus on the tech/science.

Posted by: Buzzion at November 06, 2021 08:22 PM (XOODc)

252 The acid blood is pretty dumb, biologically. How can it not dissolve itself. I had a joke dumb product I made up in junior high of an acid so powerful it would dissolve its container, for all containers. That's what the Alien is.
Posted by: Oldcat at November 06, 2021 08:18 PM (eoQWY)

There are some pretty strong acids that have been made that theoretically have uses, but are not used because of how tricky they are to handle.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 06, 2021 08:20 PM (csEWM)

The only use the Acid had was to make the cast and audience have a reason to quit wondering why they don't just hack the thing to death.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 06, 2021 08:22 PM (eoQWY)

253 I don't know where I found this, maybe here. Anyway if you haven't seen this explanation of why modern movies suck, you may find this amusing. The presenter compares and contrasts classic Star Trek with the reboots as a metaphor for why modern movies suck.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CQ92cggLMx8

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 06, 2021 08:22 PM (d9FiS)

254 ha, well, I could see that as an interesting philosophical argument,
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Full disclosure:

I stink at interpretation and critique type stuff, and if a character in a movie or painting has a blue shirt on I just figure it's because blue shirts are nice and the person wanted to wear a blue shirt that day, or it matches her eyes, or something similar.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Pfizer added a heart attack stabilizer to the kids injection, p14 at November 06, 2021 08:22 PM (QqXpN)

255 Predator is Apocalypse Now with an alien. Actually, meshing Apocalypse Now with Predator would be pretty trippy.

Posted by: Puddleglum at November 06, 2021 08:23 PM (QFVV9)

256 Thanks Moviegique. ShainBob says he will "Check It Out!" along with the other documentaries you mentioned.

Posted by: ShainS -- Let's Go Brandon, Lock Her Up! at November 06, 2021 08:23 PM (cUUIs)

257 245 The acid blood is pretty dumb, biologically. How can it not dissolve itself. I had a joke dumb product I made up in junior high of an acid so powerful it would dissolve its container, for all containers. That's what the Alien is.
Posted by: Oldcat at November 06, 2021 08:18 PM (eoQWY)

There are some pretty strong acids that have been made that theoretically have uses, but are not used because of how tricky they are to handle.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 06, 2021 08:20 PM (csEWM)

Our stomachs have hydrochloric acid. Just sayin.

Posted by: Cow Demon - Free Australia! at November 06, 2021 08:23 PM (DJu5c)

258 At the risk of "overanalyzing" (do I ever do anything else?) I think it's fair to say that there are many strains and subgenres of film and literature (and vidja games, these days) and there are certain expected viewpoints and "rules"--more blurred in cinema than in literature.

There is very, very little actual "science fiction" in movies. There is a whole lot of "scifi" which is just fantasy with rockets instead of dragons and rayguns instead of wands.

YMMV, of course.

Posted by: moviegique at November 06, 2021 08:23 PM (asXVI)

259 I am also reminded of Shane (which is a good movie that I would urge people to rewatch.) Notice how they frame the gun scenes before the climax. How loud the shots are when they are fired.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 06, 2021 08:24 PM (csEWM)

260 Aetius, oh don't get me wrong. I do *not* need to see blood spurting everywhere. In fact I find it a distraction. The actors have to carry the scene, not the prop blood.

Good example of ridiculously overdoing the blood is the scene where Joker goes crazy and starts shooting in his apartment, in Joker, just from last year.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 06, 2021 08:24 PM (L2ZTs)

261 One 'meh' film that has gorgeous cinematography is Walter Mitty. There's also so,e good, moody music to go with it. Shame the story itself is not as affecting.
Posted by: Lizzy at November 06, 2021 08:12 PM (bDqIh)

Hell yes. The cinematography was amazing.

Posted by: Just a side note at November 06, 2021 08:25 PM (2DOZq)

262 247 I actually kind of like the Starship Troopers movie, with its plastic people and bugs and its inadequate weaponry.

I love the novel.

I don't consider the two to have anything whatsoever to do with each other.
Posted by: Splunge at November 06, 2021 08:21 PM (R+A4V)

Supposedly the movie story was all written and ready to go and then they picked up the rights to starship troopers so they slapped on whatever they could to the movies script to claim it as being based on the book.

Posted by: Buzzion at November 06, 2021 08:25 PM (XOODc)

263 I almost always enjoy documentaries, and was thinking of a bad documentary that I've seen. Wifey adds "It's a lot easier to find a bad (non-documentary) movie ..."

Posted by: ShainS -- Let's Go Brandon, Lock Her Up! at November 06, 2021 08:25 PM (cUUIs)

264 It's true. And the silly frat comedies would occasionally show full frontal, and inquisitive young men could just about make out what it might look like on the squiggly, distorted premium HBO and Showtime channels.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Pfizer added a heart attack stabilizer to the kids injection, p14 at November 06, 2021 08:20 PM (QqXpN)

and it was the old pushbutton cable box and you had to push 19, 21, and 22 simultaneously to see it!

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 06, 2021 08:25 PM (evAgx)

265 You know if a book is really, really good I prefer reading it to having it made into a subpar movie. Why bother with the movie, just read the book.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at November 06, 2021 08:25 PM (2NHgQ)

266 "One thing that was funny to me about John Wayne's 1971 flick "Big Jake" was how when someone was shot at, suddenly the actor would have these red dots all over him, but no flowing blood."
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 06, 2021 08:21 PM (L2ZTs)

I watched "Lawman" again the other day, also 1971 I think. They were experimenting with blood pouring out of the wounds. The bloods color and squirting out was almost comical.

Posted by: lowandslow at November 06, 2021 08:26 PM (4thlk)

267 >> Anyway if you haven't seen this explanation of why modern movies suck, you may find this amusing.

Yes, this! It is so annoyung to watch a film or tv show and have the characters bahave so immaturely. So true about lack of emotional control. Think actors are getting more hammy, too?

Posted by: Lizzy at November 06, 2021 08:26 PM (bDqIh)

268 come on, you gotta love any money that puts Sean Connery in a Red Thong and then says "THE PENIS IS EVIL!!!"
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 06, 2021 07:57 PM (evAgx)

Hot pants and gogo boots! But the whole plot was that the computer that guaranteed their immortality was a trap and the immortals were unable to move beyond their single viewpoint even if it meant their complete failure. Everything flowed from that self betrayal.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 06, 2021 08:26 PM (P9T5R)

269 248 Until "The Mote In God's Eye" and/or "Ringworld" and/or "Rendezvous With RAMA" are made true to form... Science Fiction movies suck big dicks.

Fight me.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 06, 2021 08:21 PM
Even Lucifer's Hammer.

Posted by: Eromero at November 06, 2021 08:26 PM (0OP+5)

270 neverenoughcaffeine, thanks for reminding me. Wanted to tell everybody, I bought the published script for Glen Garry Glen Ross today. :-)

I wonder if Alec Baldwin's speech is in there. I've read it was actually added for the movie.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 06, 2021 08:26 PM (L2ZTs)

271 Look at Star Trek - space travel and all the tech is a given postulate, and is hardly explored. The stories are about how the men and women react to what they find when exploring and how it affects them.
Posted by: Oldcat

I read a review of Bull Durham which posed the question how do you make a great movie about baseball? The reviewer's answer was to make it about something besides baseball which he felt Bull Durham had done.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 06, 2021 08:27 PM (d9FiS)

272 And that's going to be a comparison and discussion between light sci-fi and heavier sci-fi. Even the heavier stuff is probably actually ultimately about the characters and how they deal it will just have a lot more focus on the tech/science.
Posted by: Buzzion at November 06, 2021 08:22 PM (XOODc)

One of the hardest SF of all SF writers was Hal Clement, whose book Mission of Gravity was about a planet where gravity went from 3g on the equator to 666 gs at the poles. A probe rocket sent to the poles failed, and the humans contact these centipede like critters on the planet to sail to the rocket and extract the info.

The real story is a adventure-travel story like Around the World in 80 Days with a bit of high-tech meets low tech without one always being better than the other.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 06, 2021 08:27 PM (eoQWY)

273 lowandslow, yeah the squib tech just wasn't ready in the early 1970s, and it showed.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 06, 2021 08:27 PM (L2ZTs)

274 265 You know if a book is really, really good I prefer reading it to having it made into a subpar movie. Why bother with the movie, just read the book.
Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at November 06, 2021 08:25 PM (2NHgQ)

This. Which is one reason why I was so worried about the Lord of the Rings trilogy when Fellowship came out. Turned out, it was amazing (aside from the final movie.)

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 06, 2021 08:27 PM (csEWM)

275 I do like the fact that food was a big thing throughout The Godfather. I don't know what the intent was but it was pretty obvious it was intentional.

Posted by: Just a side note at November 06, 2021 08:27 PM (2DOZq)

276 Hey, nobody's mentioned Galapagos. I may be the biggest fan of that movie--and I laughed like a hyena throughout it, because it's just so effing "Mankind". But don't overlook it; it's just a fascinating tale a German coupe who want to build their utopia on the tortoise islands...but then they get...NEIGHBORS.

Posted by: moviegique at November 06, 2021 08:27 PM (asXVI)

277
There are some pretty strong acids that have been made that theoretically have uses, but are not used because of how tricky they are to handle.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 06, 2021 08:20 PM (csEWM)

Should have made the Alien blood out of dioxygen diflouride.

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at November 06, 2021 08:28 PM (u1eUk)

278 Until "The Mote In God's Eye" and/or "Ringworld" and/or "Rendezvous With RAMA" are made true to form... Science Fiction movies suck big dicks.

**

Moon is about the only thing that gives me hope.

If I ever become a multi-billionaire I hope I can fund some interesting story-driven sci-fi videos online. Seems like you'd make money with them, and they wouldn't be expensive to make.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Pfizer added a heart attack stabilizer to the kids injection, p14 at November 06, 2021 08:29 PM (QqXpN)

279 (I absolutely despise Verhoeven's desecration of Starship Troopers)
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 06, 2021 08:17 PM (evAgx)

Ehh, I'll agree sort of since Space: Above and Beyond was a TV show.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 06, 2021 08:17 PM (csEWM)

Verhoeven deserves a flogging for that movie. And no it isn't satire.

Space: Above and Beyond was mediocre.

Posted by: WiNO at November 06, 2021 08:30 PM (3RlYu)

280 The movie that disappointed me the most after reading the book was Lords of Discipline.

Posted by: Just a side note at November 06, 2021 08:30 PM (2DOZq)

281 I actually came up with a great idea for a romantic comedy this past week or so.

Not sure if I should share it... :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 06, 2021 08:30 PM (L2ZTs)

282 Verhoeven is one of these assholes who thinks his farts don't stink.

IMHO he's useless after Total Recall.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 06, 2021 08:31 PM (L2ZTs)

283 Space: Above and Beyond was mediocre.
Posted by: WiNO at November 06, 2021 08:30 PM (3RlYu)

Oh, yeah it even strays from wonderful into horrible. It is all over the place with pretty bad acting (and overacting.) I still really liked it.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 06, 2021 08:31 PM (csEWM)

284 ||Think actors are getting more hammy, too?

I am pro-ham, frankly. And not just because the fascist state is taking it away from us Jan 1st. (Somehow that's one proposition the California judges DON'T find unconstitutional.)

But ham isn't as easy to do as Shatner and some others make it seem. It's like when an actress has to be a bitch: Any one can be bitchy, but the greats can be bitchy in a way that is just damn compelling to watch. Anyone can overact, but not anyone can overact in a way that's enjoyable.

Posted by: moviegique at November 06, 2021 08:31 PM (asXVI)

285 The movie that disappointed me the most after reading the book was Lords of Discipline.

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I've just sort of accepted that no Cormac McCarthy books should ever be movies.

Although I think there are probably a couple of good ones if you've never read the books.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Pfizer added a heart attack stabilizer to the kids injection, p14 at November 06, 2021 08:32 PM (QqXpN)

286 ||I've just sort of accepted that no Cormac McCarthy books should ever be movies.||

Should they even be books? ;-)

Posted by: moviegique at November 06, 2021 08:32 PM (asXVI)

287 Quint, isn't Heart Of Darkness really the story of the River Styx?

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 06, 2021 08:33 PM (L2ZTs)

288 "The Mote In God's Eye" would get the SJW treatment. What do you mean no women soldiers? It would be DIE.

Posted by: WiNO at November 06, 2021 08:33 PM (3RlYu)

289 I don't know where I found this, maybe here. Anyway if you haven't seen this explanation of why modern movies suck, you may find this amusing. The presenter compares and contrasts classic Star Trek with the reboots as a metaphor for why modern movies suck.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CQ92cggLMx8
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 06, 2021 08:22 PM (d9FiS)

There is a ton of long form analysis of film by C Drinker, Mauler, and others that span tens of hours - sometimes in one session with panels. I've watched analysis of films longer than the film, for shows I haven't even seen.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 06, 2021 08:33 PM (eoQWY)

290 Yes, this! It is so annoyung to watch a film or tv show and have the characters bahave so immaturely. So true about lack of emotional control. Think actors are getting more hammy, too?
Posted by: Lizzy at November 06, 2021 08:26 PM (bDqIh)

you remind me of "Valerian and the city of 1000 planets". I thought it was mostly a pretty good movie - except for the two main characters who I hated, who were in every scene, and who's every line was idiotic 15 year old drivel.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 06, 2021 08:33 PM (evAgx)

291 Isn't Nic Cage naturally hammy?

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 06, 2021 08:34 PM (L2ZTs)

292 Tom and Jerry is Beowulf in your living room.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 06, 2021 08:34 PM (d9FiS)

293 you remind me of "Valerian and the city of 1000 planets". I thought it was mostly a pretty good movie - except for the two main characters who I hated, who were in every scene, and who's every line was idiotic 15 year old drivel.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 06, 2021 08:33 PM (evAgx)

That had some beautiful CGI that will look horrible in ten years.

I was watching the EFAP for League of Extraordinary Gentleman and Damn.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 06, 2021 08:35 PM (csEWM)

294 o Sam Peckinpah's (by way of the Italians, I guess) "paint the walls red" stuff.
Posted by: moviegique at November 06, 2021 08:19 PM (asXVI)
------------

'The Wild Bunch' - one of the best movies ever

Posted by: Braenyard at November 06, 2021 08:35 PM (S2adH)

295 Anyone can overact, but not anyone can overact in a way that's enjoyable.
Posted by: moviegique at November 06, 2021 08:31 PM (asXVI)

The thing I always find amusing is people complaining about acting from a certain era. It's usually young people who don't realize that in 20 years they'll look back at their movies and shows and find that that acting seems dated.

Posted by: WiNO at November 06, 2021 08:35 PM (3RlYu)

296 Joe Biden is Beowulf in diapers.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 06, 2021 08:35 PM (L2ZTs)

297 Any Cormac McCarthy movie has a really low bar to clear, to be better than the books.

I hate hate hate the way he writes.

Posted by: Splunge at November 06, 2021 08:35 PM (R+A4V)

298 Posted by: Moron Robbie - Pfizer added a heart attack stabilizer to the kids injection, p14 at November 06, 2021 08:32 PM (QqXpN)

But another Pat Conroy book that I thought the movie was pretty good was The Great Santini.

Mainly because Robert Duvall probably.

Posted by: Just a side note at November 06, 2021 08:35 PM (2DOZq)

299 >>But ham isn't as easy to do as Shatner and some others make it seem.

I love Shatner.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 06, 2021 08:36 PM (bDqIh)

300 Isn't Nic Cage naturally hammy?
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 06, 2021 08:34 PM (L2ZTs)

Intense

Posted by: WiNO at November 06, 2021 08:36 PM (3RlYu)

301 Space: Above and Beyond was mediocre.
Posted by: WiNO at November 06, 2021 08:30 PM (3RlYu)

I wanted to know more about the AIs and their religion.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 06, 2021 08:36 PM (rdbLX)

302 Splunge, how does McCarthy write that's annoying? Too many short sentences?

"It was dark. Rainy. Everything was horrible. Men and women lonely. The world was ending. It was sad. Really sad." ...

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 06, 2021 08:36 PM (L2ZTs)

303 'The Wild Bunch' - one of the best movies ever

I've never seen it. I know it's a classic but I always forget to search for it when I'm looking for a movie to watch.

Posted by: Jewells45 deplorablethug#FJB at November 06, 2021 08:36 PM (nxdel)

304 Should they even be books? ;-)

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Ha. He's underappreciated as a horror writer at times, honestly. I think it was Blood Meridian where he describes a group of marauders that rode slung down beside their horses through an already terrifying stampede just so they could get close to people in order to murder them.

I enjoy his style and stories, though. I think I've mentioned it before, but it would be interesting to see a venn diagram of "I like Cormac McCarthy" and "I like Wes Anderson", and the reverse.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Pfizer added a heart attack stabilizer to the kids injection, p14 at November 06, 2021 08:37 PM (QqXpN)

305 you remind me of "Valerian and the city of 1000 planets". I thought it was mostly a pretty good movie - except for the two main characters who I hated, who were in every scene, and who's every line was idiotic 15 year old drivel.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 06, 2021 08

Every time I saw the commercials for it all I could think is who looks at that guy and thinks "lead" in anything other than a movie about a guy that just finished his three week heroine bender.

Posted by: Buzzion at November 06, 2021 08:37 PM (XOODc)

306 I wanted to know more about the AIs and their religion.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 06, 2021 08:36 PM (rdbLX)

Take a chance.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 06, 2021 08:37 PM (csEWM)

307 Until "The Mote In God's Eye" and/or "Ringworld" and/or "Rendezvous With RAMA" are made true to form... Science Fiction movies suck big dicks.

Fight me.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 06, 2021 08:21 PM (BFigT)

I ran across this Ringworld "Trailer" and was disappointed that it wasn't real

https://youtu.be/l28PPrdIiuI

Posted by: Kindltot at November 06, 2021 08:38 PM (P9T5R)

308 302 Splunge, how does McCarthy write that's annoying? Too many short sentences?

"It was dark. Rainy. Everything was horrible. Men and women lonely. The world was ending. It was sad. Really sad." ...
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 06, 2021 08:36 PM (L2ZTs)

No, it's worse than that. Sort of cold and disconnected from humanity. Not like reading Steinbeck, where his hatred for humanity and the reader suffuses every sentence. Just full of cold indifference, like it was written at the North Pole.

Posted by: Splunge at November 06, 2021 08:38 PM (R+A4V)

309 Splunge, sounds like Stephen King ;-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 06, 2021 08:39 PM (L2ZTs)

310 >>you remind me of "Valerian and the city of 1000 planets". I thought it was mostly a pretty good movie - except for the two main characters who I hated, who were in every scene, and who's every line was idiotic 15 year old drivel.

Gah! Yes.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 06, 2021 08:39 PM (bDqIh)

311 ||Isn't Nic Cage naturally hammy?

I think he has a "flair for the dramatic" as it were, but he does an awful good low-key performance, too. But when he goes big, he goes B-I-G, with varying degrees of success. I admire that, because...

||It's usually young people who don't realize that in 20 years they'll look back at their movies and shows and find that that acting seems dated.||

Yup. And this "naturalism" is often just =boring=, and (IMO) it's stupid as a philosophy. There's nothing "natural" about drama.

This is probably one reason I like Wes Anderson films. He's never trying to "imitate reality" as they say. He's creating an aesthetic.

Posted by: moviegique at November 06, 2021 08:39 PM (asXVI)

312 Take a chance.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 06, 2021 08:37 PM (csEWM)

Yeah. Computer virus as a sort of divine revelation.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 06, 2021 08:39 PM (rdbLX)

313 Posted by: Splunge at November 06, 2021 08:38 PM (R+A4V)

Are you writing a synopsis of The Road?

Posted by: Just a side note at November 06, 2021 08:40 PM (2DOZq)

314 || Not like reading Steinbeck, where his hatred for humanity and the reader suffuses every sentence. ||

Wait, what?

Posted by: moviegique at November 06, 2021 08:40 PM (asXVI)

315 moviegique, granted I haven't seen any of his films, but I always get the impression Wes Anderson's flicks are very stagey.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 06, 2021 08:40 PM (L2ZTs)

316 275 I do like the fact that food was a big thing throughout The Godfather. I don't know what the intent was but it was pretty obvious it was intentional.

Posted by: Just a side note

To humanize the gangsters, and give the audience a connection.

Posted by: davidt at November 06, 2021 08:40 PM (FkR2T)

317 295 Anyone can overact, but not anyone can overact in a way that's enjoyable.
Posted by: moviegique at November 06, 2021 08:31 PM (asXVI)

Peter O'Toole
Brian Blessed
John Lithgow
and yes, Katherine Hepburn

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 06, 2021 08:40 PM (evAgx)

318 I wanted to know more about the AIs and their religion.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 06, 2021 08:36 PM (rdbLX)

I was happy it was canceled after seeing the final episode and the big reveal. My main problem with it was probably because I like military history. The first episodes were really a recreation of the Battle of Midway. Then you have pilots who also serve as infantry. It wasn't horrible and had some good moments from what I remember. It could have been more though.

Posted by: WiNO at November 06, 2021 08:40 PM (3RlYu)

319 you remind me of "Valerian and the city of 1000 planets". I thought it was mostly a pretty good movie - except for the two main characters who I hated, who were in every scene, and who's every line was idiotic 15 year old drivel.

It was worth watching just for Bubble's dance.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 06, 2021 08:40 PM (rdbLX)

320 309 Splunge, sounds like Stephen King ;-)
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 06, 2021 08:39 PM (L2ZTs)

Not at all. King is overinvolved with his characters and microdetailed. I remember one scene in Insomnia, a book I liked, where he spends a couple of pages on "old guy walks into drugstore and spends too much time involved with what's on the shelves."

Posted by: Splunge at November 06, 2021 08:40 PM (R+A4V)

321 I used to love Logan's Run. I rewatched recently and realized they say flat out that they control the birth rate, i.e. one for each person lost at Carousel. All they need to do is cut the birth rate down and people could live their natural lives with the available resources. Carousel is entirely arbitrary and unnecessary.

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at November 06, 2021 07:58 PM (u1eUk)

But the available resources were running out, as the robot sea harvester was malfunctioning. The larder was getting emptier. Soylent Green was probably next.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 06, 2021 08:40 PM (F0YaR)

322 Splunge, hmmm. Anyway thanks for the info.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 06, 2021 08:41 PM (L2ZTs)

323 Stephen King is really good with ideas but terrible at execution. Tommyknockers had potential. The entire middle part of the book needed to be ripped out. Bleh. I saw a TV mini-series years ago (90s maybe) of Tommyknockers. It was ok.

Posted by: Puddleglum at November 06, 2021 08:41 PM (QFVV9)

324 314 || Not like reading Steinbeck, where his hatred for humanity and the reader suffuses every sentence. ||

Wait, what?
Posted by: moviegique at November 06, 2021 08:40 PM (asXVI)

Just an impression. Opinions vary, of course.

The Grapes of Wrath is second on my list of novels I would hate to be forced to read again. First is another piece of commie agitprop called Cement.

Posted by: Splunge at November 06, 2021 08:42 PM (R+A4V)

325 Yeah. Computer virus as a sort of divine revelation.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 06, 2021 08:39 PM (rdbLX)

So many good themes. WWII seen through the lens of Sci-fi. The River of Stars episode. Angriest Angel.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 06, 2021 08:42 PM (csEWM)

326 Until "The Mote In God's Eye" and/or "Ringworld" and/or "Rendezvous With RAMA" are made true to form... Science Fiction movies suck big dicks.

Fight me.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 06, 2021 08:21 PM
Even Lucifer's Hammer.
Posted by: Eromero at November 06, 2021 08:26 PM (0OP+5)

Andromeda Strain was one of the few movies I remember that showed a scientific investigation well, which is what Rama would have to do, but I feel the setting in the ship would be too CGI and weird to allow the investigation time. The result being unresolved would also be a problem for a movie since Clarke had no answers at the time.

Hammer would be a relatively conventional disaster movie if they were fashionable.

Mote would be hard to pull off - the switch from "Admiral Kutuzov is a paranoid fool" to the "accidental threat" of miniatures to the reveal of the real threat and tragedy of the Moties would be tough. And it would be very hard to accept the inevitability of Motie race rapid breeding being unsolvable when they solve most everything else.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 06, 2021 08:42 PM (eoQWY)

327 I ran across this Ringworld "Trailer" and was disappointed that it wasn't real

https://youtu.be/l28PPrdIiuI

Posted by: Kindltot at November 06, 2021 08:38 PM (P9T5R)

Amazon is making a series though.

Posted by: WiNO at November 06, 2021 08:43 PM (3RlYu)

328 To humanize the gangsters, and give the audience a connection.
Posted by: davidt at November 06, 2021 08:40 PM (FkR2T)

also emphasizes that they're Italians.

English would never on and on about food like that.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 06, 2021 08:43 PM (evAgx)

329 316 275 I do like the fact that food was a big thing throughout The Godfather. I don't know what the intent was but it was pretty obvious it was intentional.

Posted by: Just a side note

To humanize the gangsters, and give the audience a connection.
Posted by: davidt

Goodfellas.

Posted by: Puddleglum at November 06, 2021 08:43 PM (QFVV9)

330 Good list, Servo.

I love reading Hepburn's roasts of other actresses. I'm not sure she was good enough to warrant THAT much attitude--I'm not sure anyone is THAT good--but, man, she had some teeth.

||moviegique, granted I haven't seen any of his films, but I always get the impression Wes Anderson's flicks are very stagey.||

Besides being set up and blocked in a manner that suggests the world's most intimate play, they sometimes literally INCLUDE plays. (Rushmore and The French Dispatch, e.g.)

Posted by: moviegique at November 06, 2021 08:44 PM (asXVI)

331 Tom and Jerry is Beowulf in your living room.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 06, 2021 08:34 PM (d9FiS)

The dog is Grendel's Mother.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 06, 2021 08:44 PM (eoQWY)

332 Funny thing about Goodfellas I just realized:

the lead character? He's involved with horrible things. Murdering people.

And yet at the end, he's complaining about... not being able to get good Italian food in the suburbs. And the audience *empathizes,* rather than saying "shut up psycho, you belong in the electric chair."

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 06, 2021 08:45 PM (L2ZTs)

333 No, it's worse than that. Sort of cold and disconnected from humanity. Not like reading Steinbeck, where his hatred for humanity and the reader suffuses every sentence. Just full of cold indifference, like it was written at the North Pole.
Posted by: Splunge at November 06, 2021 08:38 PM (R+A4V)

**

His Border Trilogy is grim (most all of his stories are), but his descriptions are fantastic and he tells a wonderful story of a young man who tries to return a wolf to the wild and becomes involved in a world he's not ready for.

Making it through the Crossing is worth a try if you never have.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Pfizer added a heart attack stabilizer to the kids injection, p14 at November 06, 2021 08:46 PM (QqXpN)

334 And yet at the end, he's complaining about... not being able to get good Italian food in the suburbs. And the audience *empathizes,* rather than saying "shut up psycho, you belong in the electric chair."
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 06, 2021 08:45 PM (L2ZTs)

And that is why I hate mobster movies.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 06, 2021 08:46 PM (csEWM)

335 There are some pretty strong acids that have been made that theoretically have uses, but are not used because of how tricky they are to handle.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 06, 2021 08:20 PM (csEWM)

Our stomachs have hydrochloric acid. Just sayin.
Posted by: Cow Demon - Free Australia! at November 06, 2021 08:23 PM (DJu5c)

The other day when I threw up it didn't dissolve the towel, my hands, the floor, and the floor below and the foundat'on.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 06, 2021 08:47 PM (eoQWY)

336 332: to be fair, I don't think Ray Liotta's character killed anybody in that movie. He was still a lying rat bastard, just not a murderer.

Posted by: Puddleglum at November 06, 2021 08:47 PM (QFVV9)

337 moviegique, thanks.
Anyway, this movie thread emphasizes once again that I am way behind in what I need to see and study about cinema in general.

Aetius, understood 100%.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 06, 2021 08:47 PM (L2ZTs)

338 The problem with Rendezvous with RAMA is that it's basically a shaggy dog story with no real ending or climax.

That makes for a lousy movie.

Imagine filming this climax:

'Oh...RAMA's just on it's merry way thru our solar system. It has nothing to do with us. The aliens don't give a fuck about humanity or the Earth.

Welp. That's a disappointment."

*sad trombone*

FIN

Posted by: naturalfake at November 06, 2021 08:47 PM (5NkmN)

339 ||The Grapes of Wrath is second on my list of novels I would hate to be forced to read again.||

John Gardner said (in 1971 when the critical attitude would've gone the other way) that "The Grapes of Wrath" failed to achieve greatness because so many of its characters (sheriffs, e.g.) were reduced to monsters.

Steinbeck wrote in one of his later letters that the Fresno sheriffs planned to set him up on a rape charge.

But I would've said the opposite, generally from you: Steinbeck's weakness was that he didn't understand evil and he made excuses for it, and that he did that in his own life and ultimately it killed him.

Posted by: moviegique at November 06, 2021 08:48 PM (asXVI)

340 And that is why I hate mobster movies.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 06, 2021 08:46 PM (csEWM)

Have to agree with you on that account.

Posted by: Javems at November 06, 2021 08:48 PM (AmoqO)

341 Puddleglum, right, Scorsese shows you a lot of people who are far worse than Ray Liotta in that flick. Still, Liotta was friends with 'em, misses them when they die or go to the joint forever, and doesn't seem all that sorry about everything...

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 06, 2021 08:48 PM (L2ZTs)

342 321 I used to love Logan's Run. I rewatched recently and realized they say flat out that they control the birth rate, i.e. one for each person lost at Carousel. All they need to do is cut the birth rate down and people could live their natural lives with the available resources. Carousel is entirely arbitrary and unnecessary.

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at November 06, 2021 07:58 PM (u1eUk)

But the available resources were running out, as the robot sea harvester was malfunctioning. The larder was getting emptier. Soylent Green was probably next.
Posted by: GnuBreed at November 06, 2021 08:40 PM (F0YaR)

I think there are two Stargate episodes that explore this. One SG-1 and one Atlantis. Atlantis had the full Carousel where once you hit 25 you had to die. That was to maintain the population from getting too large. The SG-1 was with everyone in a protective bubble and a tech link directly to their brains. Except the bubble was failing and shrinking. And it was sending people out to die and rewriting memories to forget that person existed.

Posted by: Buzzion at November 06, 2021 08:49 PM (XOODc)

343 ||And yet at the end, he's complaining about... not being able to get good Italian food in the suburbs. And the audience *empathizes,* rather than saying "shut up psycho, you belong in the electric chair."||

It may be the fact that I AM saying "Shut up, psycho, you belong in the electric chair!" that I do not care for "Goodfellas" and also that I am not allowed back in the theater.

Posted by: moviegique at November 06, 2021 08:50 PM (asXVI)

344 Joe Biden is Beowulf in diapers.

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Sean Connery in red diaper > Joe Biden as red diaper doper baby

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 06, 2021 08:50 PM (d9FiS)

345 moviegique, LOL!
Guess I need to watch that flick again.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 06, 2021 08:51 PM (L2ZTs)

346 Posted by: qdpsteve at November 06, 2021 08:48 PM (L2ZT

That's how he was in real life.

Posted by: Just a side note at November 06, 2021 08:51 PM (2DOZq)

347 >>The SG-1 was with everyone in a protective bubble and a tech link directly to their brains. Except the bubble was failing and shrinking. And it was sending people out to die and rewriting memories to forget that person existed.

I am reminded of that episode with online cancel culture, where they deplatform someone -- and then erase them, do not allow anyone to even mention them. It's creepy as heck.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 06, 2021 08:52 PM (bDqIh)

348 303 'The Wild Bunch' - one of the best movies ever

I've never seen it. I know it's a classic but I always forget to search for it when I'm looking for a movie to watch.
Posted by: Jewells45 deplorablethug#FJB at November 06, 2021 08:36 PM (nxdel)
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Don't watch it on a little screen.
It was designed for the theater and to appreciate it must be viewed on the biggest screen possible.
70MM Todd-A-Oh

Posted by: Braenyard at November 06, 2021 08:52 PM (S2adH)

349 Just a side note, I can believe that.

"Poor poor me! They put ketchup on my egg noodles!"

Meanwhile a lot of people are never gonna see their dad, grandfather, or son again, because his buddies murdered 'em.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 06, 2021 08:52 PM (L2ZTs)

350 339 But I would've said the opposite, generally from you: Steinbeck's weakness was that he didn't understand evil and he made excuses for it, and that he did that in his own life and ultimately it killed him.
Posted by: moviegique at November 06, 2021 08:48 PM (asXVI)

You are engaging at a philosophical level. I engage with novels at a visceral level. You are in the author's mind, and under his care, while he takes you on a journey. Being in Steinbeck's mind horrified me. It was depressing to know that he existed.

Posted by: Splunge at November 06, 2021 08:52 PM (R+A4V)

351 341 Puddleglum, right, Scorsese shows you a lot of people who are far worse than Ray Liotta in that flick. Still, Liotta was friends with 'em, misses them when they die or go to the joint forever, and doesn't seem all that sorry about everything...
Posted by: qdpsteve

Yea, not defending the character. The funny part is he misses the guys who were trying to kill him. No, not sorry at all. A twisted little shit. Henry Hill was a real wiseguy (Liotta's character). Also a real twisted little shit.

Posted by: Puddleglum at November 06, 2021 08:53 PM (QFVV9)

352 The SG-1 was with everyone in a protective bubble and a tech link directly to their brains. Except the bubble was failing and shrinking. And it was sending people out to die and rewriting memories to forget that person existed.
Posted by: Buzzion at November 06, 2021 08:49 PM (XOODc)

That was an excellent ep

Posted by: vmom - link to Red's fundraiser at November 06, 2021 08:54 PM (YZG/i)

353 I had Henry Hill's book back in the day, The Mafia Cookbook or something like that. A running theme throughout the book was if guns or the law didn't get these gangsters heart disease would, because of how rich all their food was.

Posted by: davidt at November 06, 2021 08:55 PM (FkR2T)

354 And yet at the end, he's complaining about... not being able to get good Italian food in the suburbs. And the audience *empathizes,* rather than saying "shut up psycho, you belong in the electric chair."
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 06, 2021 08:45 PM (L2ZTs)
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Was his name Karen?

Posted by: Braenyard at November 06, 2021 08:56 PM (S2adH)

355 You are in the author's mind, and under his care, while he takes you on a journey. Being in Steinbeck's mind horrified me. It was depressing to know that he existed.

Posted by: Splunge

I've learned to stop reading when a writer loses my trust
Sometimes it happens just a few pages in

Posted by: vmom - link to Red's fundraiser at November 06, 2021 08:56 PM (YZG/i)

356 what I hated about Grapes of Wrath is that it ends with a scene that is a virtual Hymn of Praise for Communism.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 06, 2021 08:57 PM (evAgx)

357

ONTus noodus est...

Posted by: Zettai at November 06, 2021 08:57 PM (1c5s7)

358 ||I engage with novels at a visceral level. You are in the author's mind, and under his care, while he takes you on a journey. Being in Steinbeck's mind horrified me. It was depressing to know that he existed.||

Wow! That is an interesting take. My attitude toward him has shifted over time but I will consider this next time I revisit him. (Checks shelves..."To A God Unknown" is the last book of his I have that I haven't read, but that's a year off at least.)

Posted by: moviegique at November 06, 2021 08:58 PM (asXVI)

359 All right, peeps! Thanks for coming by! See you after Thanksgiving!

Maybe we'll do "The Best Years Of Our Lives".

Posted by: moviegique at November 06, 2021 08:59 PM (asXVI)

360 moviegique, sounds great!
Thanks for another great movie thread!!

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 06, 2021 08:59 PM (L2ZTs)

361 352 The SG-1 was with everyone in a protective bubble and a tech link directly to their brains. Except the bubble was failing and shrinking. And it was sending people out to die and rewriting memories to forget that person existed.
Posted by: Buzzion at November 06, 2021 08:49 PM (XOODc)

That was an excellent ep
Posted by: vmom - link to Red's fundraiser at November 06, 2021 08:54 PM (YZG/i)

You can find them all online at Daily Motion. Apparently the copyright revenuers don't look there. They're decent quality with the exception of a couple SG-1 episodes that are slightly sped up. I think I really only picked it up with Teal'c's delivery. Chris Judge has a pretty distinct speaking speed.

Posted by: Buzzion at November 06, 2021 08:59 PM (XOODc)

362 Thanks as always moviegique

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Pfizer added a heart attack stabilizer to the kids injection, p14 at November 06, 2021 09:01 PM (QqXpN)

363 Oh and both of the Stargate SG1 movies are available on YouTube for free with ads. And for free without ads if you're running Adblock.

Posted by: Buzzion at November 06, 2021 09:03 PM (XOODc)

364 yes! fun thread

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 06, 2021 09:03 PM (evAgx)

365 Funny thing is I remember Steinbeck writing in "Travels With Charley" that when he was growing up in Salinas and the Monterey area, everyone was Republican and he probably would have remained one had he stayed there.

How times have changed.

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V at November 06, 2021 09:24 PM (HabA/)

366 I'm no photography expert, but these photos [Vivian Maier's] - at least the ones shown in the movie - are as good as any I've ever seen. - Open Blogger
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To help put Ms. Maier's work in a broader context I strongly suggest spending some hours, days even, with Robert Frank's "The Americans." It is a monumental body of work that captures 1950's America from the perspective of a master photographer who had an extraordinary eye for the drama found in the cervices and cracks of everyday life.

One starting point can be found at https://tinyurl.com/shjc3fd5

Posted by: LostInSpace at November 07, 2021 12:10 AM (ESLBo)

367 Another photographer that is off in same direction, very broadly speaking is Diane Arbus. https://www.wikiart.org/en/diana-arbus

Posted by: LostInSpace at November 07, 2021 12:28 AM (ESLBo)

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