Sunday Morning Book Thread 11-07-2021

Good morning to all you 'rons, 'ettes, lurkers, and lurkettes, wine moms, frat bros, and crétins sans pantalon (who are technically breaking the rules). Welcome once again to the stately, prestigious, internationally acclaimed and high-class Sunday Morning Book Thread, a weekly compendium of reviews, observations, snark, witty repartee, hilarious bon mots, and a continuing conversation on books, reading, spending way too much money on books, writing books, and publishing books by escaped oafs and oafettes who follow words with their fingers and whose lips move as they read. Unlike other AoSHQ comment threads, the Sunday Morning Book Thread is so hoity-toity, pants are required. Even if it's these pants, and this guy looks too old to be carrying a skateboard around. If other skateboarders caught this guy out in public wearing that get-up, they'd beat him to death -- with their skateboards, of course.

Pic Note:

The Peralada Castle Museum is located in an old 14th-century Carmelite convent:

The Museum holds nearly 100,000 books, 800 Patents of Nobility, 140 manuscripts, 200 incunabula, 40 Letter Books from Damiá Mateu and 5000 pieces of the Cervantes Collections.

The library is one of the Castle’s most important and famous cultural features. Built new in the refurbishment of the Carmelite Convent and finished in around 1889.

Without a doubt, the library’s most spectacular group of books is the Cervantes collection. This is one of the best private Cervantes collections in the world, with some 5.000 issues that include more than one thousand different editions of Don Quijote, which can be found in 33 different languages in this library.

We must also point out the great importance of the archive, which contains documents that date back to the 9th century. Many are the sources of this historical archive, as it was purchased, although it also contains the documentary holdings of the convent in which it is located.

The considerable personal archive of Miquel Mateu can also be found here, as well as much of the last collected letters of his father, Damià Mateu. Upon Miquel Mateu’s death (1972), the library contained some 70.000 books. There are now approximately 100.000.

It Pays To Increase Your Word Power®

Usage: "Stuxnet was a subterfuge targeting Iranian centrifuges."

Reading the Classics

Books For Boys

Here's the pitch for Off Kilter: A clean action adventure book:

Do you enjoy a good, clean action adventure story without all the profanity, vulgarity, and salaciousness? If so, the “Off” series is for you.

Amazon categorizes it as a "Teen and Young Adult" novel, so I'm thinking this would be a great read for teen-aged boys. None of that boring, yucky social interaction and romance stuff and people standing around talking at parties. No, sir. Just manly men doing dangerous things in tough situations:

First, tragedy strikes.

Next, the enemy targets him.

Then, he’s framed.

Now, he’s on the run.

Collin Cook’s life gets turned upside down when his family is killed in an accident. A large settlement is coming while Collin is still reeling, but so is the nefarious Pho Nam Penh, who is hell-bent on destroying the world’s economy. Penh locks in on Collin as an easy target and his settlement as funding for his terrorist plot.

After Penh frames him, Collin has to stay ahead of Penh’s henchmen, Interpol, and the FBI. With the help of his lifelong friend and NSA cyber-guru, Lukas Mueller, Collin must stay alive and free long enough to save the world from Penh’s devious scheme...If you’re a fan of Robert Ludlum’s Jason Bourne, Tom Clancy’s Jack Ryan, or Tim Tigner’s Kyle Achilles, with a twist of Sylvia Nasar’s “A Beautiful Mind,” you will love Collin Cook and his adventures.

The Kindle edition is $2.99.

There are two other installments in this series, Off Guard and Off Course.

Who Dis:

"This is a *children's* book, and no, they weren't gay lovers, you stupid bloody simpleton!"
Last week's who dis was French actress Leslie Caron.

(bleg: what movie is the who dis pic from?)

Moron Recommendations

Been bingeing "The Crown" and was reminded of an alternate history mystery novel that I loved, "King and Joker" by Peter Dickinson.

Edward, the Prince of Wales doesn't die in 1892- he recovers and rules as Victor I, under the strict tutelage of Queen Mary.

In the 1970s, his grandson is King and there's a practical joker loose in Buckingham Palace, whose pranks get more and more dangerous.

There's a middle school Princess protagonist, an ancient Nanny, the Spanish Queen, the King's 'very great friend', a vegetarian animal rights Prince of Wales and a royal look-alike.

Very clever. Dickinson is a treat.

Posted by: sal at October 31, 2021 08:35 AM (bJKUl)

The pranks increasingly focus on the teenaged Princess Louise. The joker obviously wants her to divulge some secret to the Greater British Public, but which one?.

King and Joker is available on Kindle for $7.99. In addition to his other novels, Dickenson has written a King and Joker sequel, Skeleton-In-Waiting, also availble for $7.99, or you can get a "boxed set" on Kindle for $10.99.

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"The Grandma Dowdel" books by Richard Peck are absolutely hilarious, laugh out loud funny, even at my old age.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at October 24, 2021 09:52 AM (7Fj9P)

Richard Peck is has written a number of well-regarded YA novels. The first Grandma Dowdel novel is A Long Way from Chicago: A Novel in Stories:

What happens when Joey and his sister, Mary Alice—two city slickers from Chicago—make their annual summer visits to Grandma Dowdel's seemingly sleepy Illinois town?...Joey and Mary Alice make seven summer trips to Grandma's—each one funnier than the year before—in self-contained chapters that readers can enjoy as short stories or take together for a rip-roaringly good novel. In the tradition of American humorists from Mark Twain to Flannery O'Connor, popular author Richard Peck has created a memorable world filled with characters who, like Grandma herself, are larger than life and twice as entertaining.

Amazon labels this as a "Teacher's Pick". The Kindle edition is $8.99. Also available are sequels, A Year Down Yonder and also a Christmas-themed collection of stories, A Season of Gifts.

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In the afterglow of the Columbus Day suppressions, I've started reading "Conquistadores" by Fernando Cervantes. For a 2021 book, in the depths of the Progressive Era, it's a surprisingly good read. (Rather steady blood pressure readings through the first 150 pages.)

A lot about the court. church, and philosophical intrigues of those days most in a rather that's they way they rolled almost "Get over it" blaséness

Recommended 4.5 out of 5.

Posted by: 11B40 at October 31, 2021 08:41 AM (uuklp)

The full title of the book is Conquistadores: A New History of Spanish Discovery and Conquest. I am intrigued:

In Conquistadores, acclaimed Mexican historian Fernando Cervantes—himself a descendent of one of the conquistadors—cuts through the layers of myth and fiction to help us better understand the context that gave rise to the conquistadors' actions. Drawing upon previously untapped primary sources that include diaries, letters, chronicles, and polemical treatises, Cervantes immerses us in the late-medieval, imperialist, religious world of 16th-century Spain, a world as unfamiliar to us as the Indigenous peoples of the New World were to the conquistadors themselves. His thought-provoking, illuminating account reframes the story of the Spanish conquest of the New World and the half-century that irrevocably altered the course of history.

This sounds like the perfect book to bring up during your Thanksgiving dinner with all of your relatives. The ensuing conversation should be lively, especially if your family members are America-hating, foaming-at-the-mouth lefties.

And Conquistadores is also available in paperback.

Cervantes is also the author of an earlier history of the same time period, The Devil in the New World: The Impact of Diabolism in New Spain

Until the end of the eighteenth century, missionaries to the New World agreed that diabolism lay at the heart of the Native American belief system and at the root of their own failure to establish a church purged of Satan and pagan superstition. The Devil mattered, and he occupied a central place in discussions of all non-Christian religious systems and in the bitter disputes over how to combat them.

In this elegant and sensitive analysis, Fernando Cervantes gives the Devil his due, illuminating a neglected aspect of the European encounter with America and setting the full history of the "spiritual conquest" in a rich and original context. He reveals how Native Americans reinterpreted the view of Christianity presented to them, how they refused to see the world as the missionaries saw it. Drawing on archival sources, he brings into clear focus the complex, often bewildering, and sometimes tragic clash between a theology that posited the existence of competing forces and one that insisted that all deities were multiform beings within which good and evil coexisted.

Considering the violent, murderous Aztec culture and their mountains of skulls and human sacrifices, using the word "diabolic" to describe it is not hyperbole.

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So that's all for this week. As always, book thread tips, suggestions, bribes, insults, threats, ugly pants pics and moron library submissions may be sent to OregonMuse, Proprietor, AoSHQ Book Thread, at the book thread e-mail address: aoshqbookthread, followed by the 'at' sign, and then 'G' mail, and then dot cee oh emm.

What have you all been reading this week? Hopefully something good, because, as you all know, life is too short to be reading lousy books.

Posted by: OregonMuse at 09:00 AM

Comments

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1 Tolle Lege

Posted by: Skip at November 07, 2021 09:00 AM (2JoB8)

2 hiya

Posted by: JT at November 07, 2021 09:00 AM (arJlL)

3
g'mornin', book-ish 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at November 07, 2021 09:01 AM (DUIap)

4 Morning, Horde...how goes it?

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at November 07, 2021 09:01 AM (K5n5d)

5 Dutifully called
1/4 way through Molly Hemingway's Rigged, good read

Posted by: Skip at November 07, 2021 09:01 AM (2JoB8)

6 good morning!

Posted by: Kindltot at November 07, 2021 09:02 AM (P9T5R)

7 Who Dis Helen Mirren?

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at November 07, 2021 09:02 AM (PiwSw)

8 Good morning all! I actually slept okay last night. Multiple doses of Vitamin C helped, I think. Being sick is No bueno

Posted by: Jmel at November 07, 2021 09:03 AM (bVhJi)

9 Helen Mirren holding up the slashfic "Frog and Toad Together".

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 07, 2021 09:03 AM (Dc2NZ)

10 Today's who dis is so easy, even I got it.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 07, 2021 09:04 AM (2JVJo)

11 According to the definition above, Brandon had a subterfuge when he was with the pope.

Posted by: JT at November 07, 2021 09:04 AM (arJlL)

12 BOING!

Posted by: Biden's Dog at November 07, 2021 09:04 AM (9Q7hS)

13 Aren't those pants just surf trunks?

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at November 07, 2021 09:04 AM (zdpQZ)

14 I don't think the pants guy owns a weedwhacker (if you catch my drift)

Posted by: JT at November 07, 2021 09:05 AM (arJlL)

15 Those pants are awful but I love that haircut!

Posted by: Alfalfa at November 07, 2021 09:05 AM (Tnijr)

16 Nice Lieberry!

Those pants ain't bad....might have a pair around here somewhere.

The Who Dis is Minnie Driver sans makeup.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 07, 2021 09:06 AM (R/m4+)

17 Who dis is Helen Mirren, of course.

We have some not-young people who work at the airport who ride skateboards, because the employee parking lot is so far away from the terminal.

Posted by: Jordan61 at November 07, 2021 09:06 AM (jm4rC)

18 I like that floor.

Posted by: grammie winger at November 07, 2021 09:07 AM (45fpk)

19 I read The Cold Six Thousand by James Ellroy. This is the second book in the author's Underworld U.S.A. trilogy. The book covers the time period between JFK's and Martin Luther King's assassinations. I enjoyed the book, but did not think it as good as the first in the series, American Tabloid. The pages describing the early U.S. involvement in Vietnam were particularly interesting.

Posted by: Zoltan at November 07, 2021 09:07 AM (iDDsm)

20 Good morning fellow Book Threadists. I hope everyone had a great week of reading.

Posted by: JTB at November 07, 2021 09:07 AM (7EjX1)

21 Just finished Tanith's Lee's Anackire, the second book in the Wars of Vis series. It was kind of "meh" though parts of it were interesting. The plot was a little hard to follow due to the fact that multiple characters have the same name (no "One Steve Limit" here!) and they are also all related to each other in some way or another. The ending was quite the deus ex machina, as well. Gods show up and stop the war with a snap of their fingers (more or less). But it's Tanith Lee, so it's not at all bad reading.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at November 07, 2021 09:08 AM (K5n5d)

22 My kids and grands loved Frog and Toad books.

But not Curious George - he's a little shit who gets his sorry ass saved by the Man in The Yellow Hat over and over and over. Never takes responsibility for any of the destruction he causes.

Just like our left.

Posted by: Tonypete at November 07, 2021 09:08 AM (mD/uy)

23 Started a new book, Hitler and Film by Bill Niven. It's a look at what Hitler watched, what he censored and how his likes and dislikes affected the Nazi-era film industry. It's. . .OK. Not as detailed as I would have liked. Fortunately, I didn't pay much for it.

Sketched out a new scene for my own book, but have not yet sat down to write it. I should do that today, but probably won't.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 07, 2021 09:09 AM (2JVJo)

24 All the hip sk8terboyz are doing ollies in three piece suits and wingtips now.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 07, 2021 09:09 AM (Dc2NZ)

25 Received my copy of JJ Sefton's "The End of America" from Amazon yesterday. 10 days earlier than expected. Will be reading it this week.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at November 07, 2021 09:09 AM (Do5/p)

26 Does Dame Helen Mirren ever age?

Posted by: Captain Ned at November 07, 2021 09:10 AM (XIfux)

27 Rush on the Radio by James Golden (aka Bo Snerdley) arrived yesterday. I'm anxious to dive into it.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at November 07, 2021 09:10 AM (Xrfse)

28 Continuing my spin through the Cherryhverse with "Merchanter's Luck". Very good.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 07, 2021 09:11 AM (Dc2NZ)

29 I didn't get a chance to respond last week because I didn't get to read the Book Thread until the following day, but I think "nurse ratched" mentioned she was going to read Death on a Friday Afternoon. If she's talking about the book by Fr. Richard Neuhaus, chapter 2 consists of him promoting the Empty Hell Heresy. Before I got better educated in Catholic teachings, when I read that book several years ago, I thought. "that sounds nice." The problem is that school of thought is completely contrary to the teachings of Jesus Christ. So, I now disregard anything Fr. Neuhaus has to say because he's a heretic: it would be like sipping from a punch bowl with a turd floating in it.

A much better book to read whould be Jesus Cries From the Cross by Arbp. Fulton Sheen. This is an anthology of the several books he wrote about Christ's Seven Last Words. His writings range from good to outstanding. I would recommend that rather than Neuhaus' book.

For a great takedown of the Empty Hell Heresy and other heresies currently afflecting the Church, read False Mercy by Christopher J. Malloy, a Catholic professor of theology.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at November 07, 2021 09:11 AM (pJWtt)

30 Good Sunday morning, horde!

I love the Frog and Toad books. Found one at Mom's while we were helping her organize all her stuff this weekend. They're so fun.

Posted by: April -- dash my lace wigs! at November 07, 2021 09:12 AM (OX9vb)

31 A few weeks ago I saw the Alan Ladd movie "The Deep Six" (1959) about a WWII Navy gunner whose Quaker beliefs put him at odds with the rough and tumble crew. The flick is pretty solid but reviewers said the book by Martin Dibner was much better -- and it is. It's a very caustic portrait of the oddballs on board, both enlisted and officer. It pulls no punches, unlike the movie. One character in the movie is a bigot, but here is also a sexual predator.

Dibner has a great turn of phrase: "The engine room gang came out of the ship like maggots from a rotting carcass. Moldy smiles cracked their pale unshaven faces. The promise of sunshine and fresh air charged their hard etiolated bodies like an aphrodisiac. It warmed the marrow of their lonesome bones... The men clustered together in an olio of faded denim, grease, and tattoos. The steel deck rang with their harsh jokes and cursing."

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 07, 2021 09:12 AM (Dc2NZ)

32 If you're looking for books which appeal to tween and teen boys - I wrote Lone Star Sons and Lone Star Glory to appeal to that demographic. The two books (and a third, to be out in the spring, Lone Star Blood) are a kind of updating of the Lone Ranger, only without the mask and silver bullets and all, and historically accurate (more or less) to 1840s Texas.

Posted by: Sgt. Mom at November 07, 2021 09:12 AM (xnmPy)

33 Good morning all! I actually slept okay last night. Multiple doses of Vitamin C helped, I think. Being sick is No bueno
Posted by: Jmel at November 07, 2021 09:03 AM (bVhJi)

Glad you were able to get some sleep! I just now told hubs I have a sore throat and now he's running around singing, "you've got the 'rona" to the tune of My Sharona. He's such a dork.

Posted by: Jordan61 at November 07, 2021 09:13 AM (jm4rC)

34 I finished "A Matter of Justice" by Charles Todd. It's a crime novel set in post-WW 1 England. Apart from the murder mystery itself, the most interesting thing is Detective Inspector Ian Rutledge, the main character, and a man who suffers from shell shock because of his tragic war experiences. Dealing with his demons while trying to solve a crime in a small English town is a delicate balance.

Posted by: grammie winger at November 07, 2021 09:13 AM (45fpk)

35 A much better book to read whould be Jesus Cries From the Cross by Arbp. Fulton Sheen. This is an anthology of the several books he wrote about Christ's Seven Last Words. His writings range from good to outstanding. I would recommend that rather than Neuhaus' book.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop

Seconded! ARBP Sheen is a fantastic Catholic Apologist.

Posted by: Tonypete at November 07, 2021 09:14 AM (mD/uy)

36 I'm reading about Native American Lore and Legends.
Those folks were mighty fond of doing things that might not abide by the Geneva Convention nowadays.

Posted by: f'd at November 07, 2021 09:17 AM (Tnijr)

37 So much for my plan to read supernatural comics on Halloween.

What a week it's been.

I had to scoot up to the old stomping grounds because my father had been taken to the emergency room. He underwent surgery Monday, and now he's on the mend.

So it took a few days for me to get to the last Wolff & Byrd graphic novel, "Grandfathered In."

Good story, but it ended with many plot threads left uninvited for a subsequent story. Sadly, the writer/cartoonist, Batton Lash, died before he could start it. So we're left to speculate, What Could Have Been.

In the meantime, I've been reading O. Henry stories from an unlikely source -- the lyrics website Genius. An audiobook of "The Four Hundred" is on the site.

Maybe I've read too much O. Henry -- I suspected the twist before the end of one story.

Posted by: Weak Geek at November 07, 2021 09:17 AM (Om/di)

38 Currently reading My Bondage and My Freedom, Frederick Douglass.

Grandmother was likewise more provident than most of her neighbors in the preservation of seedling sweet potatoes, and it happened to her—as it will happen to any careful and thrifty person residing in an ignorant and improvident community—to enjoy the reputation of having been born to “good luck.”

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But it is in harmony with the grand aim of slavery, which, always and everywhere, is to reduce man to a level with the brute. It is a successful method of obliterating from the mind and heart of the slave, all just ideas of the sacredness of the family, as an institution.

I’ve already read Narrative of the Life of Frederick Douglass, and it was amazing enough that I added this to my read list, despite knowing there would be a lot of duplication.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at November 07, 2021 09:17 AM (CnogD)

39 "uninvited" = "unknitted"

Posted by: Weak Geek at November 07, 2021 09:18 AM (Om/di)

40 Good morning!
Read Pirate Latitudes by Michael Crichton this week because it was recommended here and I had never heard of it.
Takes place in the 1660's in the privateer(don't you dare call us pirates) haven of Port Royal Jamaica. The dashing Captain Hunter takes his hand picked crew through a series of wildly entertaining disasters in search of a huge treasure haul.
In checking on whether this was based on real people, found out that this finished manuscript was found after he died in 2008 and the movie rights were bought by Steven Spielberg who, alas, never made it into a movie.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at November 07, 2021 09:18 AM (Y+l9t)

41 From Narrative of the Life…:

I have found that, to make a contented slave, it is necessary to make a thoughtless one. It is necessary to darken his moral and mental vision, and, as far as possible, to annihilate the power of reason. He must be able to detect no inconsistencies in slavery; he must be made to feel that slavery is right; and he can be brought to that only when he ceases to be a man.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at November 07, 2021 09:19 AM (CnogD)

42 Read "Gone to Dust" a murder mystery by Matt Goldman and recommend it (although haven't read the later books in the series). Set in Minnesota, which is a minor character really, a body is found covered in dust - someone unloaded the contents of vacuum cleaner bags all over body and the house to mess up forensics. Local police call in a private detective, who is the lead character, and detecting starts.

Posted by: Charlottr at November 07, 2021 09:20 AM (b/6cr)

43 Love that last cartoon. Yes, I did that as a kid. Tom Swift and Robert Louis Stevenson books weren't going to read themselves, you know.

I have been known to continue the tradition.

Posted by: JTB at November 07, 2021 09:20 AM (7EjX1)

44 "The Who Dis is Minnie Driver sans makeup."

Just watched Golden Eye and Minnie Driver plays the Russian mobster's trashy girlfriend. Kinda funny cameo. Two years before Good Will Hunting.

Posted by: squid_hunt at November 07, 2021 09:20 AM (7MBHe)

45 There is a online library based from a series of Spanish universities and national libraries called the Biblioteca Virtual Miguel de Cervantes which has PDFs and HTML of Spanish works, as well as works in English and other languages in these libraries. There was a drive to digitize the libraries for ease of access.
The site is all in Spanish, of course.

www.cervantesvirtual.com

Posted by: Kindltot at November 07, 2021 09:20 AM (P9T5R)

46 After last week's discussion about ghosts vs demons, I dug a little deeper into Catholic/Orthodox doctrine (which has considerable overlap) and while it is possible that "ghosts" (human spirits) can be condemned to wander the earth, it would be a form of purgatory, not the result of getting lost or not knowing they are dead.

That being said, the default assumption in a supernatural encounter should be that one is dealing with a demon pretending to be a ghost in order to elicit sympathy and build a relationship. Recourse to prayer and a swift departure is the recommended course of action.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 07, 2021 09:20 AM (llXky)

47 Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at November 07, 2021 09:18 AM (Y+l9t)

I have that book around here somewhere. I'll have to reread it. I remember liking it.

Posted by: Jordan61 at November 07, 2021 09:21 AM (jm4rC)

48 Does Dame Helen Mirren ever age?

Posted by: Captain Ned at November 07, 2021 09:10 AM (XIfux)
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She's great in "White Nights" which I just discovered last week.

They did a wonderful job of convincing you she's a great ballerina using a single doctored picture and her interactions with Baryshnikov. Great film!

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 07, 2021 09:23 AM (llXky)

49 After all the badmouthing I did of Thomas Mann and Buddenbrooks, none of which do I retract, I finally reached a good part in which young Johann develops an affinity for music after being a bust in all other things like basic arithmetic. His musically inclined mother notices this and dispatches her playing partner to develop an unusual curriculum that avoids the sheer drudgery of playing scales but makes the light go on by other means. The guy does a great job of figuring out what Hanno instinctively knows and developing it so that it takes flight.

I think he captures something of musical savants who sound like retards when talking about what they do. Ornette Coleman, for example, was a gifted saxophonist who sounded like an idiot every time he was interviewed by dumbass jazzbo knobs who wanted him to talk about his goofy "harmolodic" theories where notes were like sentient entities. That horseshit tended to irritate people like Miles Davis and Mingus who had no time for retards. But I think that's what Mann captured.

Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Michael Byrd Murdered Ashli Babbitt at November 07, 2021 09:24 AM (y7DUB)

50 Daughter is going on a medical mission to Honduras and has asked me to gather some Spanish books for children. I'm stumped. I don't read Spanish so how do I know if they are good or not? Maybe I can look through Amazon and see if books that I am familiar with have a Spanish translation.

Posted by: grammie winger at November 07, 2021 09:24 AM (45fpk)

51 Since centrifugal is the word of the day, time to point out that there is, in fact, no such thing as Centrifugal Force - it's a myth to explain something that is counterintuitive. What we see is the effects of inertia in the presence of centripetal acceleration.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 07, 2021 09:24 AM (evAgx)

52 I'm continuing with the 100 Days of Dante. We are up to Canto 27. With each Canto I'm gaining an appreciation and interest in the Comedy. Part of that is how the attitudes of 1300 could apply today.

Posted by: JTB at November 07, 2021 09:25 AM (7EjX1)

53 Recourse to prayer and a swift departure is the recommended course of action.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 07, 2021 09:20 AM (llXky)

Seconded.

Posted by: grammie winger at November 07, 2021 09:26 AM (45fpk)

54 I'm re-reading "The Shadow Rising ", book 4 of Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time series.
Marching season is over for us so I'll have more time to do stuff....

Posted by: lin-duh at November 07, 2021 09:27 AM (UUBmN)

55 @46 --

"Grandfathered In" deals with a ghost who won't leave his house because it always has something more to fix. His son and shrewish DIL want him out so they can take title to the place.

Posted by: Weak Geek at November 07, 2021 09:27 AM (Om/di)

56 Seconded! ARBP Sheen is a fantastic Catholic Apologist.
Posted by: Tonypete at November 07, 2021 09:14 AM (mD/uy)

There are some good post-Vatican II apologists out there, too. Fathers Robert Spitzer, Mitch Pacwa, and Chris Alar have all put out some good Catholic books. They're all orthodox in their teachings. I've learned the hard way, if the priest doesn't get an Imprimatur or an Imprimi Potest, the odds are he's a heretic because there's a reason he's not submitting his writings for review to verify conformity to dogma.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at November 07, 2021 09:27 AM (pJWtt)

57 Thank you for the content. Rushing out the door for a Weasel inspired gun class.
Currently reading Executive Orders by Tom Clancy. Some here argue that he draws out the stories, that is true, a lot of diversions into details. But I like it, for where I am in my life.
In this book President Ryan must face an Ebola outbreak in the USA and has to deal with the balance between protecting people, and protecting the constitution which he is sworn to uphold. I found this part interesting
Clancy says
travel is a constitutionally protected right
even inside states/ Lemuel Penn case
Supreme court precedent

Posted by: MikeM at November 07, 2021 09:27 AM (WsqCN)

58 I, too, got JJs book. For those of you who haven't, there's an introduction by a "Benjamin Braddock" who worked on Teh Donald's re-election campaign. If anyone still thinks 2020 was a legitimate 'election,' Braddock's essay blows that illusion out of the water. Not only should it be required reading, every 'ron and 'ette should memorize the salient points to ram down the throats of the left.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 07, 2021 09:28 AM (2JVJo)

59 Frog and Toad stories were favorites in our house as well.

I am currently reading The Time Traders by Andre Norton. Enjoying it so far.

Posted by: DIY Daddio at November 07, 2021 09:28 AM (RJscS)

60 I'm re-reading "The Shadow Rising ", book 4 of Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time series.
Marching season is over for us so I'll have more time to do stuff....
Posted by: lin-duh at November 07, 2021 09:27 AM (UUBmN)
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One of the better ones in the series, IMHO...I didn't care much for Book 5, though Book 6 has an awesome ending...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at November 07, 2021 09:29 AM (K5n5d)

61 "there is, in fact, no such thing as Centrifugal Force"

How about Excentrifugal Forz?

Posted by: Guy who relates everything to a Zappa song at November 07, 2021 09:30 AM (Tnijr)

62 "Grandfathered In" deals with a ghost who won't leave his house because it always has something more to fix. His son and shrewish DIL want him out so they can take title to the place.

Posted by: Weak Geek at November 07, 2021 09:27 AM (Om/di)
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Ghosts are wonderful literary devices.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 07, 2021 09:31 AM (llXky)

63 Kindletot, have you finished slogging through my stuff?

Posted by: OrangeEnt at November 07, 2021 09:31 AM (7bRMQ)

64 Donning my Emily Litella hat:

What is a Christian "apologist"? I see nothing in the faith to apologize for.

Posted by: Weak Geek at November 07, 2021 09:31 AM (Om/di)

65 Here's the blurb for "Executive Orders" on my library site:

"Jack Ryan, the vice-president takes over. The novel describes Ryan's campaign to impose a right-wing morality on the U.S. and a new order on the world, the latter accomplished with the aid of high-tech warfare."

Is that even remotely close?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 07, 2021 09:32 AM (Dc2NZ)

66 I have been REALLY enjoying the Andy Serkis narration of LOTR. Compared to my reading speed, it is slow going but he does a wonderful job and the slower pace is letting me focus on the word choice and pacing.

When I do my annual reading this winter, (yes, I still intend to read LOTR) I wonder if it will be influenced by Serkis' narration. The Gary Sinise reading of Travels With Charley had that effect.

Posted by: JTB at November 07, 2021 09:32 AM (7EjX1)

67 What is a Christian "apologist"? I see nothing in the faith to apologize for.

Posted by: Weak Geek at November 07, 2021 09:31 AM (Om/di)

You might think of it as 'an explainer'. One who lays out the facts with reason and logic.

Posted by: grammie winger at November 07, 2021 09:33 AM (45fpk)

68 I finished the book, The Doctor Wears Three Faces, which is an autobiographical-ish book by Mary Bard, sister to Betty MacDonald, who wrote The Egg and I

Mary had worked writing advertising copy for a Seattle radio station in the 30's and met and married a young internist, and became part of a community of Doctors and their wives (who generally had been nurses prior to getting married); where her honeymoon and any vacation tended to be coupled with a medical conventions, where often evenings out were interrupted with side trips for house calls to concerning patients, of evening cocktails and visiting neigbhbors, and acting as a secondary phone service for her husband's practice.

This is very much a women's book that is very much about her home, family, children and community, but very sweet even in its asperity about the world and the people in it, and without the bitchiness or idealization about how the world should be. It is a fast read, and a good read, and very much a time capsule of the world in the 30's.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 07, 2021 09:33 AM (P9T5R)

69 Frog and Toad: The Joe and Hunter Biden Story

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 07, 2021 09:33 AM (d9FiS)

70 I am currently reading The Time Traders by Andre Norton.

Andre Norton has always been a joy to read for me. Current favorite is probably Huon of the Horn, but I’ve yet to be disappointed by anything of hers.

I have not read The Time Traders but it sounds fascinating.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at November 07, 2021 09:34 AM (CnogD)

71 Thank you, Grammie.

Posted by: Weak Geek at November 07, 2021 09:35 AM (Om/di)

72 My copy of "Work of Human Hands: A theological critique of the Mass of Paul VI" arrive yesterday. Holy crap!

I am thinking of calling myself a Roman Lutheran and the Roman Catholic Church the Roman Lutheran Church.

Posted by: Been Lurking at November 07, 2021 09:36 AM (rDgjh)

73 “Apologize” originally meant to defend or to explain, and “apologist” still reflects that meaning.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at November 07, 2021 09:36 AM (CnogD)

74 I wonder what Clancy would say about today's IC?

Posted by: weirdflunky at November 07, 2021 09:37 AM (cknjq)

75 Grammie, for kids just learning, the Tintin books are translated into Spanish, and they got me into reading in English.

The Biblioteca Virtual Miguel de Cervantes that I linked above does have both an Americas section, and children's book sections set out, and that stuff is free except the cost of the printing and paper, she can print it off and pass it around like Samizdat.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 07, 2021 09:37 AM (P9T5R)

76 Apologist, from the Greek word for "Defender."

Posted by: Been Lurking at November 07, 2021 09:37 AM (rDgjh)

77 A long time ago, on this very book thread among other places, I heard of a book called The Fourth Turning and I've wanted to read it since them. A couple of weeks ago, I realized I had some Audible credits, so I got it and started listening to it. There were details in the audio that I had trouble following, so I also went ahead and bought a paperback copy of the book so I could look at the page and fix the relevant details in my mind.

And, well, it's kind of creepy. This book was published in 1997 and Straus and Howe, the authors, are talking about a crisis that historical patterns said would be coming around 2005 or so. You see, the premise is that the history of the modern world follows patterns that repeat themselves in roughly 80 year cycles. These cycles are generally composed of roughly 20-year "turnings" when each of the four kinds of generations are born, enter young adulthood, become middle-aged, or retire.

It's kind of like "Hard Times Create Strong Men, Strong Men Create Good Times, Good Times Create Weak Men, Weak Men Create Hard Times" in more detail with supporting data stretching back more than 500 years.

Posted by: Cybersmythe at November 07, 2021 09:38 AM (ezpv1)

78 In the book, they predicted that the third turning, a phase that they call an "unravelling", would end in 2005 or so, with the "fourth turning" or "crisis" following to end somewhere around 2025, but I think they are off by a few years. While some may think that the crisis is now, from the way they describe it, we're still in an unravelling. The previous unravelling featured the Great Depression which led directly the crisis of the second world war.

Unravellings are characterized by dissention and strife, a weakening of gender roles, and loss of confidence in the social and political institutions that have been part of our lives for, well, as long as anyone can remember. It seems likely to lead into a crisis turning, just as they say, leading to a new era of prosperity.

The authors point out that a war is not necessary for the crisis, which is about replacing one sort of social and political order with another, but they also point out that a crisis turning has so far always been associated with one. Will this one? Who can say? When things go nonlinear, it's tough to guess how it's going to turn out.

Posted by: Cybersmythe at November 07, 2021 09:38 AM (ezpv1)

79 Thanks Kindltot!

Posted by: grammie winger at November 07, 2021 09:38 AM (45fpk)

80 Anyway, I've barely started the book and already it has given me much to think about.

Posted by: Cybersmythe at November 07, 2021 09:38 AM (ezpv1)

81 Received my copy of JJ Sefton's "The End of America" from Amazon yesterday. 10 days earlier than expected. Will be reading it this week.

Yeah I should be getting mine any day now.

Posted by: Jewells45 deplorablethug#FJB at November 07, 2021 09:38 AM (nxdel)

82 For the other members of the Brandon Sanderson fan club:
I am 300 pages into book 4, Rhythm of War. I slowed down a bit because my favorite character got sidelined and there are more characters to keep track of. After restarting, I think I figured out why Kaladin has been taken off regular duty and now anxious to find out if I'm right. Action has also picked up so really glad I kept going.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at November 07, 2021 09:39 AM (Y+l9t)

83 Since centrifugal is the word of the day, time to point out that there is, in fact, no such thing as Centrifugal Force - it's a myth to explain something that is counterintuitive. What we see is the effects of inertia in the presence of centripetal acceleration.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 07, 2021 09:24 AM (evAgx)

*activates nerd mode*

Correct, what is commonly called Centrifugal Force is actually an application of Newton's 1st Law. The object being accelerated is trying to travel in a straight line but since it's being acted upon by a greater external force, it's caused to move in a circle.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at November 07, 2021 09:40 AM (pJWtt)

84 What is a Christian "apologist"? I see nothing in the faith to apologize for.

Posted by: Weak Geek at November 07, 2021 09:31 AM (Om/di)

You might think of it as 'an explainer'. One who lays out the facts with reason and logic.
Posted by: grammie winger

A similar change in meaning concerns "embarrassed". While reading Caesar's The Gallic Wars, I came across a description of a Roman being embarrassed in a fight with barbarians when he couldn't draw his sword. Turns out, " embarrassed" can mean "tangled". His sword was tangled in his gear and he couldn't draw it.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 07, 2021 09:40 AM (d9FiS)

85 After becoming disenchanted with Marvels Kazar the Savage (a not-very-good Tarzan knockoff) I went back to my Marvel Classics Omnibus. Basically, Marvel's late-70s effort at turning classic literature into 50-page comics. A few things I've learned:

Edgar Allen Poe's horror/macabre stories do nothing for me. The original story of Aladdin has almost nothing in common with the Disney movie. (However, the stageplay-turned-direct-to-public-access-cable-movie that is now featured on RiffTrax is a surprisingly accurate adaptation.) And lastly, The Prisoner of Zenda (by Anthony Hope) is kind of awesome! The gimmick of the story is perfect for comics. The pacing was the best in the whole collection: regular action, no pointless plot culd-de-sacs or wild changes of setting. The characters, hero and villain alike, all had enough personality to memorable...It was just an all-around great adventure story! I'm surprised I'd never heard of it before.

Posted by: Castle Guy at November 07, 2021 09:40 AM (Lhaco)

86 Started and finished "Truck: A Love Story" by Michael Perry, Wisconsin's best writer (for now). Abandoned E. M Forster but started "The Voyage Out" by Virginia Woolf. Who's afraid of Virginia Woolf? Not me. I like her style. And a friend lent me "Time Between: My Life as a Byrd, Burrito Brother, and Beyond" by Chris Hillman. This one I can't wait to read as I love almost all the bands he's ever been a part of.

Posted by: who knew at November 07, 2021 09:41 AM (4I7VG)

87 Kindletot, have you finished slogging through my stuff?
Posted by: OrangeEnt at November 07, 2021 09:31 AM (7bRMQ)

I will send you an email

Posted by: Kindltot at November 07, 2021 09:42 AM (P9T5R)

88 Chris Hillman's a good bluegrass player.

Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Michael Byrd Murdered Ashli Babbitt at November 07, 2021 09:43 AM (y7DUB)

89 We've been binge watching 'Shetland' on Britbox, and really loving it. So I picked up the first book in the series that the TV show is based on. "Black Raven" by Ann Cleeves. It was free on Kindle Unlimited. I've only just started, and things are a little different than on the show, but that's to be expected.

Posted by: grammie winger at November 07, 2021 09:43 AM (45fpk)

90 Anyway, I've barely started the book and already it has given me much to think about.

Posted by: Cybersmythe at November 07, 2021 09:38 AM (ezpv1)
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I've heard of the book but haven't read it. The concept dovetails with what I've noticed, that since the end of the Middle Ages, Western civilization has moved in 100 year cycles. The Reformation kicked off the first cycle which culminated in the Thirty Years War (161

. This began a second cycle which lasted until the War of the Spanish Succession (1714). The next cycle ended at Waterloo (1814) and the current cycle began with World War I (1914).

We may already be in a cycle at not know it. People close to events often lack the proper perspective.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 07, 2021 09:45 AM (llXky)

91 I will send you an email

Posted by: Kindltot at November 07, 2021 09:42 AM (P9T5R)

Ok.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at November 07, 2021 09:47 AM (7bRMQ)

92 I finally finished volume 1 of Victor Klemperer's diaries of life under the Third Reich. Vol 1 covered the years 1933-1941. I've started volume 2, 1942-1945, and it's shocking how quickly the situation deteriorated for Jews. Up until the end of 1941 things were oppressive and bad, but they were still endurable. But something changed at the end of that year - maybe it's no coincidence that America entered the war and the Russian offensive failed, and the Nazis were experiencing more pressure than they'd faced up until then. But first, it became impossible for Jews to leave Germany in December. And a month later was the Wannsee Conference (though Klemperer wouldn't have known about that).

However, clearly the line was crossed when it was affirmatively decided to kill all the Jews, and you can see the rapid escalation in just Klemperer's little circle. Beatings, searches, regular abuse in the streets, and the sudden large presence of the Gestapo, where before the local police had been a sort of less-malicious enforcer of the rules. People are starting to be deported, too, and no one knows just what's happening to them, but they're never heard from again.

Posted by: Dr. Mabusette, just to clarify things at November 07, 2021 09:47 AM (FIWcj)

93 Finished my reread of The War Against The Rull By A.E. van Vogt.

Blech. Plot holes is the very definition of van Vogt's writings. Time has passed him by, and he is now below the Theodore Sturgeon horizon.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at November 07, 2021 09:47 AM (u82oZ)

94 @85 --

Castle Guy, are you referring to the 1980s Ka-Zar series by Bruce Jones and Brent Anderson? Or is there a later series with that title?

Posted by: Weak Geek at November 07, 2021 09:49 AM (Om/di)

95
Here's the blurb for "Executive Orders" on my library site:

"Jack Ryan, the vice-president takes over. The novel describes Ryan's campaign to impose a right-wing morality on the U.S. and a new order on the world, the latter accomplished with the aid of high-tech warfare."

Is that even remotely close?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 07, 2021 09:32 AM

they spelled "Jack Ryan" right...so there's that

Posted by: AltonJackson at November 07, 2021 09:49 AM (DUIap)

96 Does Dame Helen Mirren ever age?
Posted by: Captain Ned at November 07, 2021 09:10 AM (XIfux)

Yes, but she has an excellent plastic surgeon.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at November 07, 2021 09:50 AM (ZSK0i)

97 If memory serves me right (not likely), The Time Traders was the first sci-fi book I read. That started me off until one day in about 6th or 7th grade I was standing in front of the sci-fi section in the library and realized I'd read every book there. Admittedly, the sci-fi section in 1967 was considerably smaller than today. That was in the old central library in downtown Green Bay, a building that in memory would be worthy of a library pic here but that is, alas, no longer a library but just law offices (I think).

Posted by: who knew at November 07, 2021 09:51 AM (4I7VG)

98 A similar change in meaning concerns "embarrassed". While reading Caesar's The Gallic Wars, I came across a description of a Roman being embarrassed in a fight with barbarians when he couldn't draw his sword. Turns out, " embarrassed" can mean "tangled". His sword was tangled in his gear and he couldn't draw it.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice!

"Scandal" is another word that has changed meaning. C.S. Lewis wrote about this: people know think of scandal as old women spreading rumours. It used to mean creating burdens for someone else. If a man's trying to give up drinking, and you take him to a bar or party where he'll be tempted to give in, that's causing scandal. You're creating opportunities for another person to go astray.

Posted by: Dr. Mabusette, just to clarify things at November 07, 2021 09:52 AM (FIWcj)

99 I've started volume 2, 1942-1945, and it's shocking how quickly the situation deteriorated for Jews.

Posted by: Dr. Mabusette, just to clarify things at November 07, 2021 09:47 AM (FIWcj)
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Germany lacked the ability to feed itself. Until Hitler invaded the USSR, they could get food from the Soviets, but after June 1941, that was impossible. Hitler expected a quick campaign - Moscow before the snows came. Obviously, that didn't happen and food shortages loomed.

So in addition to the usual hardness of wartime, you had hate combined with typical German ruthlessness regarding the food supply. Though it is not generally stated, I can't help but think one reason why "good Germans" allowed it to happen is that they knew their food rations might be just a little better.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 07, 2021 09:54 AM (llXky)

100 Went to my local recycling place with the usual stuff like cardboard and newspaper.

In the phone book bin were every Edgar Rice Burroughs book printed in paperback. Even the one I did not every have, I Am a Barbarian.

I fished them out. I will replace worn out books from when I was 9 and 10 with the newer, better editions.

It looks like someone with my young reading tastes kept their library, like I did, and the heirs dumped it all. The workers there told me 15 large boxes of books were sent in to be turned into cardboard. Kinda walking on my grave feeling.

Need to figure out how to avoid that fate for my library.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at November 07, 2021 09:54 AM (u82oZ)

101 Posted by: Tonypete at November 07, 2021 09:08 AM (mD/uy)

John, my (late) first husband, always said there was nothing wrong with Curious George that a .22 wouldn't solve. I was shocked, but had to admit he had a point.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at November 07, 2021 09:54 AM (MXdMt)

102 So in addition to the usual hardness of wartime, you had hate combined with typical German ruthlessness regarding the food supply. Though it is not generally stated, I can't help but think one reason why "good Germans" allowed it to happen is that they knew their food rations might be just a little better.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd

Yes, the impossible food situation comes up a lot. It's almost all anyone can talk about. And the Gestapo would search Jews' Houses and just outright steal any food they could lay their hands on, even if it was lawfully bought with ration coupons. Didn't care, it was open season.

Posted by: Dr. Mabusette, just to clarify things at November 07, 2021 09:55 AM (FIWcj)

103 Good morning!

Let's smile & be happy & strike fear in the hearts of killjoy leftists everywhere.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at November 07, 2021 09:56 AM (u82oZ)

104 Read lately?

The movie drove me to my squishy-annual rereading of Dune. I've heen reading this book for 40+ years and find new things on every reading.

Posted by: Captain Ned at November 07, 2021 09:57 AM (XIfux)

105 "Scandal" is another word that has changed meaning.

Posted by: Dr. Mabusette, just to clarify things at November 07, 2021 09:52 AM (FIWcj)
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The obvious example is "gay." We had an old music teacher who taught us a song that ran "Pumpkins are gay, on Halloween Day, Pumpkins are bright, on Halloween night."

South Pacific has some lyrics that are a bit awkward today. "Softer than springtime, are you, gayer than laughter, am I." Or: "I'm as gay as a daisy in May."

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 07, 2021 09:57 AM (llXky)

106 Todays pants are the first in years to look plausible to wear in public by anyone. Or I am jaded about the shock value of runway styles.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at November 07, 2021 09:58 AM (u82oZ)

107 (About The Fourth Turning.)

I've heard of the book but haven't read it. The concept dovetails with what I've noticed, that since the end of the Middle Ages, Western civilization has moved in 100 year cycles. The Reformation kicked off the first cycle which culminated in the Thirty Years War (161. This began a second cycle which lasted until the War of the Spanish Succession (1714). The next cycle ended at Waterloo (1814) and the current cycle began with World War I (1914).

We may already be in a cycle at not know it. People close to events often lack the proper perspective.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 07, 2021 09:45 AM

They talk a lot about 100 vs 80 year cycles, what they call the Saeculum, and what the turnings are. The crises that they see are the American Revolution, the US Civil War, and WW II, all of which are 80 years apart. There are also minor wars almost exactly in between them that happen during the "awakening" turning, those being the War of 1812 and I suppose the Spanish-American War and then Vietnam.

My biggest problem is that the audio book and the paperback I have don't seem to match up very well.

Posted by: Cybersmythe at November 07, 2021 09:58 AM (ezpv1)

108 Good morning NaCly! Nice weather out there today, although a little windy.

Posted by: Jewells45 deplorablethug#FJB at November 07, 2021 09:58 AM (nxdel)

109 Those folks were mighty fond of doing things that might not abide by the Geneva Convention nowadays.
Posted by: f'd at November 07, 2021 09:17 AM (Tnijr)

If you've ever seen "Black Robe", there's the scene in France where the young protagonist arrives to serve Mass for a priest returned from the New World. The priest is missing an ear and some fingers.

(Historical note: St. Isaac Jogues was given a dispensation to continue to say Mass, due to the loss of his thumb(s)- there's a rubric which requires them.)

Then the young man gets to Canada, as young Jesuit and the fun really begins.

Posted by: sal at November 07, 2021 09:59 AM (bJKUl)

110 Helen Mirren in Arthur, the new version.

Posted by: CN at November 07, 2021 10:00 AM (ONvIw)

111 A.H. Lloyd, I ran across this, an article done in El Diario of Spain, on 20 color photographs of the second Spanish Republic

https://tinyurl.com/cajs5fud

(you have to click the blue Aceptar y cerrar button on the lower left, it means you accept the cookies)

Posted by: Kindltot at November 07, 2021 10:00 AM (P9T5R)

112 Salty, I'm so glad you saved those ERB books! They were such a big part of my tweener years. I still have my Barsoom series, and will never part with them.

I do wonder what will happen to my library when I ride off to Valhalla.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 07, 2021 10:01 AM (Dc2NZ)

113
South Pacific has some lyrics that are a bit awkward today. "Softer than springtime, are you, gayer than laughter, am I." Or: "I'm as gay as a daisy in May."
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 07, 2021 09:57 AM (llXky)

One of our high school plays was Our Hearts Were Young and Gay.

Posted by: My name is Jose Jimanez at November 07, 2021 10:01 AM (Fs5vw)

114 South Pacific has some lyrics that are a bit awkward today. "Softer than springtime, are you, gayer than laughter, am I." Or: "I'm as gay as a daisy in May."

I'll bet we can find lots of songs that have been polluted by this verbal slime. There's "Getting To Be A Habit With Me": 'I just wanted someone to be gay with/Just to play with someone.'

Posted by: Dr. Mabusette, just to clarify things at November 07, 2021 10:01 AM (FIWcj)

115 His sword was tangled in his gear and he couldn't draw it.
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It weel not keeel.

Posted by: doug marcaida at November 07, 2021 10:01 AM (UHVv4)

116 Anyway, quick pop in, kid2's wedding is today, and every hour or so someone texts to ask "could you get....."

Posted by: CN at November 07, 2021 10:02 AM (ONvIw)

117 Frog and Toad: The Joe and Hunter Biden Story
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 07, 2021 09:33 AM (d9FiS)

Turtle Head Cometh: Frog and Toad II: Vatican Boogaloo is the sequel.

A messier story but full of laughs.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 07, 2021 10:02 AM (R/m4+)

118 The movie drove me to my squishy-annual rereading of Dune. I've heen reading this book for 40+ years and find new things on every reading.

Posted by: Captain Ned at November 07, 2021 09:57 AM (XIfux)
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The paradox of Herbert is that the writing in the first book is awful but gets better with each successive book. However, each book gets progressively worse in terms of story, so the prose improvement doesn't help as much as it might.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 07, 2021 10:02 AM (llXky)

119 I loved reading Frog and Toad stories to the kiddo. As with many children's stories, much of the fun is coming up with voices for the characters.

Posted by: PabloD at November 07, 2021 10:03 AM (7Blpl)

120 >>> Since centrifugal is the word of the day, time to point out that there is, in fact, no such thing as Centrifugal Force - it's a myth to explain something that is counterintuitive. What we see is the effects of inertia in the presence of centripetal acceleration.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 07, 2021 09:24 AM (evAgx)

There's also no such thing as gravity, it's an illusion we experience as the result of time space curvature and the resulting second derivative of space with respect to time , ie. acceleration between bodies of matter. Lots of common things we think we see or experience aren't real and are just an illusion but still very useful important illusions for explaining things and interacting with the world that we would be lost without.

Posted by: banana Dream at November 07, 2021 10:03 AM (Mlkm4)

121 I got featured on The Book Thread. I'm honored, sir!

(Beams for the rest of the day...)

Posted by: sal at November 07, 2021 10:03 AM (bJKUl)

122 Hello Book Thread my old friend
I've come to lurk on you again...
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these pants look like they'd be good camouflage if he fell into a big vat of chili... with carrots.

Milady ordered some books. Rec'd Levin's American Marxism, and M. Hemmingway's Rigged. Still waiting for Sefton's.
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Old Farmer's Almanac for 2022, page 28, "2022 Trends" column: "People are talking about
• hotels providing waterproof books for guests to read in pools"

Posted by: mindful webworker has a phobia about real books and paper cuts at November 07, 2021 10:03 AM (GPGR5)

123 119 I loved reading Frog and Toad stories to the kiddo. As with many children's stories, much of the fun is coming up with voices for the characters.
Posted by: PabloD at November 07, 2021 10:03 AM (7Blpl)

Yes, they were so cute and funny. Loved those books.

Posted by: CN at November 07, 2021 10:03 AM (ONvIw)

124 I enjoy large, open world video games so when I saw that Witcher III: Wild Hunt has a beautiful open world environment I bought it even though monsters and magic is not my preferred genre. And it does have a beautiful open world. Turns out, the games is based upon a series of books/stories by Polish author Andrzej Sapkowski starting with The Last Wish. (It's also a series on Netflix.). The book is good although a bit challenging in that it uses an unusual vocabulary perhaps derived from Polish folk lore or perhaps he just made them up.

https://amzn.to/302HHTH

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 07, 2021 10:04 AM (d9FiS)

125 Don't wear clothing accessories on the hilt of your sword....you horny tenderfoot.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at November 07, 2021 10:05 AM (IBOtG)

126
The obvious example is "gay." We had an old music teacher who taught us a song that ran "Pumpkins are gay, on Halloween Day, Pumpkins are bright, on Halloween night."

South Pacific has some lyrics that are a bit awkward today. "Softer than springtime, are you, gayer than laughter, am I." Or: "I'm as gay as a daisy in May."
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 07, 2021 09:57 AM

The Flintstones theme song promised you every week that "we'll have a gay old time"

Posted by: AltonJackson at November 07, 2021 10:05 AM (DUIap)

127 89 We've been binge watching 'Shetland' on Britbox, and really loving it. So I picked up the first book in the series that the TV show is based on. "Black Raven" by Ann Cleeves. It was free on Kindle Unlimited. I've only just started, and things are a little different than on the show, but that's to be expected.

Posted by: grammie winger at November 07, 2021 09:43 AM (45fpk)

Did you find you had to turn on subtitles in order to understand the dialog?

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at November 07, 2021 10:07 AM (GLULz)

128 50 Daughter is going on a medical mission to Honduras and has asked me to gather some Spanish books for children. I'm stumped. I don't read Spanish so how do I know if they are good or not? Maybe I can look through Amazon and see if books that I am familiar with have a Spanish translation.
Posted by: grammie winger at November 07, 2021 09:24

I recommend Spanish versions of Berenstain Bears, Clifford the Big Red Dog, and "Oh, No! It's Hippo!" (aka �Oh, No! �Es Hipo!) by Terry Burrows. I inherited copies of the two former and they continue to be hits. The latter is just plain fun to read aloud to littles.

Posted by: NaughtyPinebox at November 07, 2021 10:07 AM (/+bwe)

129 Picked up a book that had been in my library for 35 years, unread.

Friday, by Robert A. Heinlein. Unread because I bounced at Time Enough For Love. I did not like that book, and filed Heinlein with Brain-Eaters Disease. I hold all his subsequent books, but had only read Job A Comedy of Justice. Which was OK.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at November 07, 2021 10:07 AM (u82oZ)

130 There are a few other words derived from 'fugere', one that I find interesting being 'fugue' (in music) and 'fugue state', in psychiatry. The latter is a situation where a person has temporary amnesia, and sometimes constructs a new identity. It usually stems from some trauma, and I guess the term describes a person "fleeing" from unbearable memories.

Posted by: Dr. Mabusette, just to clarify things at November 07, 2021 10:08 AM (FIWcj)

131 Gay had a double meaning in England in the 19th century. It meant "happy and joyful" but "the gay life" was also used, ironically and euphemistically, to refer to prostitution. I imagine that at some point the meaning narrowed to refer specifically to male prostitutes.
People who like to think of Oscar Wilde as a saintly gay martyr ignore that many of his lovers were underage boy prostitutes. He liked to think of himself as "feasting with panthers." Yeah, right. Starving, ragged 15 year old Cockney boys were "panthers."

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V at November 07, 2021 10:08 AM (HabA/)

132 A.H. Lloyd, I ran across this, an article done in El Diario of Spain, on 20 color photographs of the second Spanish Republic

Posted by: Kindltot at November 07, 2021 10:00 AM (P9T5R)
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Those are pretty neat. Thanks!

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 07, 2021 10:08 AM (llXky)

133 I've shared a photo of part of my library on a Book Thread a couple of years back. Stately Poppins Manor is filled from top to bottom with books which will all be thrown away when I die, as I know no-one else (except a 'ron or 'ette) would want them.

I should photograph every shelf here and put out a bleg, asking whom of you wants what when I'm gone...

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 07, 2021 10:08 AM (2JVJo)

134 124 I enjoy large, open world video games so when I saw that Witcher III: Wild Hunt has a beautiful open world environment I bought it even though monsters and magic is not my preferred genre. And it does have a beautiful open world. Turns out, the games is based upon a series of books/stories by Polish author Andrzej Sapkowski starting with The Last Wish. (It's also a series on Netflix.). The book is good although a bit challenging in that it uses an unusual vocabulary perhaps derived from Polish folk lore or perhaps he just made them up.

https://amzn.to/302HHTH
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 07, 2021 10:04 AM (d9FiS)
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The Witcher short shores volumes (the first two books, starting with the Last Wish) are good, IMO -- I thought less of the saga.

But Sapkowski essentially ripped off the character Elric of Melnibone (who is even called the White Wolf). If you like the Witcher story / books, check out Morecock's Elric books.

Posted by: Revenant at November 07, 2021 10:09 AM (//ATM)

135 The paradox of Herbert is that the writing in the first book is awful but gets better with each successive book. However, each book gets progressively worse in terms of story, so the prose improvement doesn't help as much as it might.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 07, 2021 10:02 AM (llXky)

"Dune: One epic novel, seven pointless sequels."

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at November 07, 2021 10:09 AM (GLULz)

136 Need to figure out how to avoid that fate for my library.
Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at November 07, 2021 09:54 AM (u82oZ)

Mr. S has already made detailed plans for his large collection of Texana.
The rest we will release to bless other people, once the kids have first pick.

Posted by: sal at November 07, 2021 10:10 AM (bJKUl)

137 There's also no such thing as gravity, it's an illusion we experience as the result of time space curvature and the resulting second derivative of space with respect to time , ie. acceleration between bodies of matter. Lots of common things we think we see or experience aren't real and are just an illusion but still very useful important illusions for explaining things and interacting with the world that we would be lost without.
Posted by: banana Dream at November 07, 2021 10:03 AM (Mlkm4)

This also explains the theories about the existence of the so-called clitoris and g-spot.

Yes, I went there. Back to lurking.

Posted by: Count de Monet, Unvaccinated Kulak-American at November 07, 2021 10:10 AM (4I/2K)

138 A.H. Lloyd, I ran across this, an article done in El Diario of Spain, on 20 color photographs of the second Spanish Republic

https://tinyurl.com/cajs5fud

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That commie chick with the rifle is a 1.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 07, 2021 10:10 AM (d9FiS)

139 128 50 Daughter is going on a medical mission to Honduras and has asked me to gather some Spanish books for children. I'm stumped. I don't read Spanish so how do I know if they are good or not? Maybe I can look through Amazon and see if books that I am familiar with have a Spanish translation.
Posted by: grammie winger at November 07, 2021 09:24

Get her Crossing the Border for Dummies.

Posted by: My name is Jose Jimanez at November 07, 2021 10:10 AM (Fs5vw)

140 >>> 99 I've started volume 2, 1942-1945, and it's shocking how quickly the situation deteriorated for Jews.

Posted by: Dr. Mabusette, just to clarify things at November 07, 2021 09:47 AM (FIWcj)
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Germany lacked the ability to feed itself. Until Hitler invaded the USSR, they could get food from the Soviets, but after June 1941, that was impossible. Hitler expected a quick campaign - Moscow before the snows came. Obviously, that didn't happen and food shortages loomed.

So in addition to the usual hardness of wartime, you had hate combined with typical German ruthlessness regarding the food supply. Though it is not generally stated, I can't help but think one reason why "good Germans" allowed it to happen is that they knew their food rations might be just a little better.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 07, 2021 09:54 AM (llXky)

"gradually, then suddenly" ... and the psychos in charge keep fcking with the supply chain, and laughing while shelves are sporadically empty of necessary things including food. I know many people have expressed desire to stay where they are - but I seriously hope you have a plan to GTFO just in case.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at November 07, 2021 10:10 AM (ACi07)

141 Is there a place other than Amazon where I can order JJs book and maybe put more money in his pocket and less in bezos?

Posted by: LASue at November 07, 2021 10:11 AM (Ed8Zd)

142 MP4 I'm halfway through your book and enjoying it very much. I wish I had more time to devote to reading it but I hope to have it finished by the end of next week.

Posted by: Jewells45 deplorablethug#FJB at November 07, 2021 10:11 AM (nxdel)

143 Did you find you had to turn on subtitles in order to understand the dialog?

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at November 07, 2021 10:07 AM (GLULz)

The real question is, did she find my pony anywhere?

Posted by: Herder at November 07, 2021 10:13 AM (7bRMQ)

144 Frida looks more and more prescient today. Nation States have fragmented, with powerful corporations controlling more and more. Violence has ripped nations apart, and the best enclaves are heavily defended walled compounds. New Zealand is a refuge, and civilized.

The all-knowing Heinlein stand in character says this:
"Friday, brainpower is the scarcest commodity and the only one of real value. Any human organization can be rendered useless, impotent, a danger to itself, by selectively removing its best minds while carefully leaving the stupid ones in place."

Almost all governments today (political and large corps) resemble that quote.

In addition, there was a page long discussion on the characteristics of a failing culture, and what a dying culture looks like. Gulp.

But the real story is about Friday belonging. She is alone, and searched to belong.

More interesting discussion of unusual group marriages here, similar to line marriages in TMIAHM. This could be an entire discussion, now that I've been married a while and have perspective.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at November 07, 2021 10:13 AM (u82oZ)

145 "Who dis" is so obviously Helen Mirren that I suspect a devious Ace trick.

Posted by: Zumkopf at November 07, 2021 10:13 AM (L02DP)

146 Speaking of the Spanish Civil War, I'm about a hundred pages into For Whom the Bell Tolls and it still seems mostly, in the words of Bob Dylan, a bunch of mixed up confusion. Planes are flying over from both sides (the kraut ones seem particularly ominous) but on the ground nobody seems to know what's going on other than a bridge has to be blown up at some undefined time in the future.

Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Michael Byrd Murdered Ashli Babbitt at November 07, 2021 10:13 AM (y7DUB)

147 "Dune: One epic novel, seven pointless sequels."
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at November 07, 2021 10:09 AM (GLULz)
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Eh, not pointless. God Emperor is my favorite (Book 4). And, Books 2 and 3 have grown on me over time. Books 5 and 6 suffer from the fact that Herbert died before he finished what was to come (the reason the Honored Matres came back into the old empire -- they were running from something, probably an potential extinction event for humanity that Leto II's Golden Path was trying to avoid.)

Posted by: Revenant at November 07, 2021 10:15 AM (//ATM)

148 So in addition to the usual hardness of wartime, you had hate combined with typical German ruthlessness regarding the food supply. Though it is not generally stated, I can't help but think one reason why "good Germans" allowed it to happen is that they knew their food rations might be just a little better.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 07, 2021 09:54 AM (llXky)

Like good Americans throwing the unvaxxed out of work because that somehow protects the vaxxed? .
Nope- we are even worse

Posted by: LASue at November 07, 2021 10:15 AM (Ed8Zd)

149 That Cervantes book on Cortez sounds very interesting since the Communists in Mexico have made Montezuma a hero and painted quite blackly Cortez as the villain.

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 07, 2021 10:16 AM (od7G4)

150 I believe the 3rd novel in Frank J Fleming's "Superego" series will be published soon. Anyone else here a fan of Rico and his transition from the galaxy's most deadly hitman to hero? Many years ago I followed a Book Thread recommendation for the first book and was hooked.

Posted by: Tuna at November 07, 2021 10:16 AM (gLRfa)

151 MP4 I'm halfway through your book and enjoying it very much. I wish I had more time to devote to reading it but I hope to have it finished by the end of next week.
Posted by: Jewells45 deplorablethug#FJB at November 07, 2021 10:11 AM (nxdel)

Take your time, Jewells. As I said, TJM gave me some notes and Christopher Taylor has promised some thoughts, so I'm not going to be publishing any time soon. Probably not until after the new year, depending on how rewrites go.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 07, 2021 10:17 AM (2JVJo)

152 JJ mentioned his publisher. I don't remember. He wanted a few purchases from Amazon so he could get good reviews.

Posted by: Been Lurking at November 07, 2021 10:17 AM (rDgjh)

153 Like good Americans throwing the unvaxxed out of work because that somehow protects the vaxxed? .
Nope- we are even worse
Posted by: LASue at November 07, 2021 10:15 AM (Ed8Zd)

Not yet, we're not putting the unvaxxed in camps yet. But I can see Garland and Mayorkas and Becerra doing just that with help from Dr Rochelle

Posted by: CN at November 07, 2021 10:18 AM (ONvIw)

154 I don't follow music at all but...

It is with great sadness that we announce the passing of our comrade, brother, founding UB40 member and musical legend, Brian David Travers. Brian passed away yesterday evening with his family by his side, after a long and heroic battle with cancer. Our thoughts are with Brian's wife Lesley, his daughter Lisa and son Jamie. We are all devastated by this news and ask that you respect the family's need for privacy at this time. [andy: aged 64 according to a news chyron here.]

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at November 07, 2021 10:18 AM (UHVv4)

155 "Who dis" is so obviously Helen Mirren that I suspect a devious Ace trick.

She also looks a bit like the female admiral in Star Trek: Picard, the one who swears at Picard and treats him like dirt. Dave Cullen did a hilarious parody of Patrick Stewart as Picard in one of his reviews, saying "There was nothing I could do! That Meryl Streep lookalike wouldn't give me any ships!"

Posted by: Dr. Mabusette, just to clarify things at November 07, 2021 10:18 AM (FIWcj)

156 Did you find you had to turn on subtitles in order to understand the dialog?

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at November 07, 2021 10:07 AM (GLULz)

Oh, an absolute must!

Posted by: grammie winger at November 07, 2021 10:18 AM (45fpk)

157 They talk a lot about 100 vs 80 year cycles, what they call the Saeculum, and what the turnings are. The crises that they see are the American Revolution, the US Civil War, and WW II, all of which are 80 years apart. There are also minor wars almost exactly in between them that happen during the "awakening" turning, those being the War of 1812 and I suppose the Spanish-American War and then Vietnam.

My biggest problem is that the audio book and the paperback I have don't seem to match up very well.
Posted by: Cybersmythe at November 07, 2021 09:58 AM (ezpv1)

I prefer the view that sees this as generational cycles.

the simplest view is:
hard times produce strong men
strong men produce good times
good times produce weak men
weak men produce hard times

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 07, 2021 10:18 AM (evAgx)

158 >Is there a place other than Amazon where I can order JJs book and maybe put more money in his pocket and less in bezos?
Posted by: LASue

www.calamopress.com

Posted by: squeakywheel at November 07, 2021 10:18 AM (UDSF6)

159 Good morning, OM, good morning, Horde

Posted by: callsign claymore at November 07, 2021 10:18 AM (aYVBT)

160 Still reading the Egg and I. The descriptions of plants, flowers, sticker bushes, berries, clams, crab, oysters, the Sound, and of the never ending rain brings back memories of my childhood

Posted by: LASue at November 07, 2021 10:19 AM (Ed8Zd)

161 I've been looking for a biography of Mikhail Gorbachev. I started on the Taubman one, but that is more exhaustive than I'd prefer. Amazon and Google don't offer any good suggestions.

Posted by: commonsensemom at November 07, 2021 10:19 AM (AaNZc)

162 I am doing the 100 Days of Dante.
In the Longfellow translation, some of the souls in hell are guilty of the sin of "flattery" which took me back a bit.
Might the meaning of that word have changed over time?

Posted by: Canto reader at November 07, 2021 10:19 AM (jTmQV)

163 Grammie,
You didn't specify what ages, but Hank the Cowdog (Hank el Perro Vacquero) is available in Spanish. 6 and up.

Here's a link to Amazon of children's picture books in Spanish:
https://tinyurl.com/42atkr8w

Posted by: sal at November 07, 2021 10:19 AM (bJKUl)

164 More interesting discussion of unusual group marriages here, similar to line marriages in TMIAHM. This could be an entire discussion, now that I've been married a while and have perspective.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at November 07, 2021 10:13 AM

Heinlien had some bizarre notions about sex, marriage and the like. I mean he had the main character in Time Enough for Love travel back in time to have sex with his mother. Then he came back to the future and had sex with two of his underage kids.

The book is a good read other than that though.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at November 07, 2021 10:19 AM (JUOKG)

165 @100 --

Salty, I had a similar experience, except the books were electrical engineering textbooks from the early 1950s, a Time-Life series of the United States from 1870 to 1970, Clinton (Iowa) High School yearbooks from the late '40s, and a University of Iowa yearbook from 1950.

Plus a mess of cookbooks.

Yeah, the heirs couldn't be bothered.

I need to call Clinton's county historical society and the university's alumni relations department. Don't want to haul all those around in the car until I expire.

(The textbooks were recycled.)

Posted by: Weak Geek at November 07, 2021 10:19 AM (Om/di)

166 Nice picture of that Spanish commie holding a Mauser C96 Broomhandle pistol.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 07, 2021 10:19 AM (d9FiS)

167 Last week, I had to work with a 4th grader deemed "special ed." It was apparent after 5 seconds that there is nothing at all wrong with the kid's IQ. In fact, he's so bright that he gets bored quickly and wants to chat about all kinds of things. I was trying to get him to read a book with me and he didn't want to. He suddenly sat back folded his arms and said with a sigh "Can you believe that Joe Biden is president?" For once I was happy to have a mask on so he didn't see me smile. I said "No, but let's read this book about lizards." Of course, he picked up his political opinions at home, but believe me, actually autistic kids don't express any political opinions. This is a kid who is as smart as a whip and should be in a gifted and talented class instead of being lumped in with special ed kids. He told me his mother had gotten vertigo after eating ice cream and added "I'd say more, but that is medically confidential information and protected by HIPPA."

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V at November 07, 2021 10:20 AM (HabA/)

168
Germany lacked the ability to feed itself. Until Hitler invaded the USSR, they could get food from the Soviets, but after June 1941, that was impossible. Hitler expected a quick campaign - Moscow before the snows came. Obviously, that didn't happen and food shortages loomed.

So in addition to the usual hardness of wartime, you had hate combined with typical German ruthlessness regarding the food supply. Though it is not generally stated, I can't help but think one reason why "good Germans" allowed it to happen is that they knew their food rations might be just a little better.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 07, 2021 09:54 AM (llXky

Then explain the prosperity of Germany prior to the Great Depression and the middle to late 1930's. Germany had plenty of food.

Hitler wanted an empire, pure and simple. It was ALL about power........and revenge.

Posted by: My name is Jose Jimanez at November 07, 2021 10:20 AM (Fs5vw)

169 Thanks squeakywheel .

Posted by: LASue at November 07, 2021 10:20 AM (Ed8Zd)

170 I recommend Spanish versions of Berenstain Bears, Clifford the Big Red Dog, and "Oh, No! It's Hippo!" (aka Oh, No! Es Hipo!) by Terry Burrows. I inherited copies of the two former and they continue to be hits. The latter is just plain fun to read aloud to littles.

Posted by: NaughtyPinebox at November 07, 2021 10:07 AM

Thank you!

Posted by: grammie winger at November 07, 2021 10:21 AM (45fpk)

171 Friday was a talky book, trying to feed a made up world in briefings and research projects. There is some action, but this is not Heinlein's best.

The constant sex seems to be authorial wish fulfillment, since the former Naval officer was a unrepentant horn-dog before his third marriage, and a life-long nudist. Even a 16 year old boy would not be affected, so not porn. But Friday's sexual mores would fit right into the swipe left culture of today.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at November 07, 2021 10:21 AM (u82oZ)

172 Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V at November 07, 2021 10:20 AM (HabA/)

Reminded me of the Malcom in the Middle episodes where Dewey is in the Special Ed class.

Posted by: Just a side note at November 07, 2021 10:22 AM (2DOZq)

173 Like good Americans throwing the unvaxxed out of work because that somehow protects the vaxxed? .
Nope- we are even worse
Posted by: LASue at November 07, 2021 10:15 AM (Ed8Zd)

I agree; the whole country has lost its mind when a pro football player has to be held up as an example of sanity. And once again the GOP is just as much of a fucking tool of tyranny as the retards on the "other side".

Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Michael Byrd Murdered Ashli Babbitt at November 07, 2021 10:23 AM (y7DUB)

174 Thanks sal - she didn't say any particular age group so your suggestions are welcome!

Posted by: grammie winger at November 07, 2021 10:23 AM (45fpk)

175 This is a kid who is as smart as a whip and should be in a gifted and talented class instead of being lumped in with special ed kids. He told me his mother had gotten vertigo after eating ice cream and added "I'd say more, but that is medically confidential information and protected by HIPPA."
Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V at November 07, 2021 10:20 AM (HabA/)

he should NOT be in a public school. He's a square peg that they're trying to jam into one of their round holes, and it will never work.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 07, 2021 10:23 AM (evAgx)

176 Basically, Marvel's late-70s effort at turning classic literature into 50-page comics. A few things I've learned:
Edgar Allen Poe's horror/macabre stories do nothing for me...

Well, that's because all the effort to make a Poe story work has to happen inside your brain with your own imagination.

A comic book version is presented in it's least challenging form with all the work done for you. So, either the artists' illustrations grab you or they don't. You've farmed out the process of reading.
It's a bit like eating Gerber's Baby Food Beef and declaring that you don't steak.

In this regard, EA Poe is a lot like PG Wodehouse. Videos or movies of his stories are rarely funny and even when they are, they aren't nearly as explosively funny as they are when reading.

The best and most memorable horror like the best and most memorable comedy happen in your brain informed by your intelligence and experience.

YMMV.

Posted by: naturalfake at November 07, 2021 10:23 AM (5NkmN)

177 Like good Americans throwing the unvaxxed out of work because that somehow protects the vaxxed? .
Nope- we are even worse

Posted by: LASue at November 07, 2021 10:15 AM (Ed8Zd)
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No, it's different because they didn't think through the consequences. They live in the moment and issue rules and requirements without the faintest idea of what will happen.

As conformists, they believe social ostracism is the worst thing anyone can have happen so it never occurs to them that people will resist. Then they wonder why the ERs are closing due to lack of staff, or the 911 calls go unanswered.

Say this about the Germans, they planned out everything.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 07, 2021 10:23 AM (llXky)

178 Reminded me of the Malcom in the Middle episodes where Dewey is in the Special Ed class.

Posted by: Just a side note at November 07, 2021 10:22 AM (2DOZq)

I loved Dewey.

Posted by: grammie winger at November 07, 2021 10:23 AM (45fpk)

179 I prefer the view that sees this as generational cycles.
the simplest view is:
hard times produce strong men
strong men produce good times
good times produce weak men
weak men produce hard times
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 07, 2021 10:18 AM

yeah, that's what The Fourth Turning boils down to

it is interesting, how events in history line up with the "turning" concept

Posted by: AltonJackson at November 07, 2021 10:24 AM (DUIap)

180 {{{Jewells45 deplorablethug#FJB}}}

Gonna have to do outdoor chores today. Great weather, chiggers dead, and plenty to do.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at November 07, 2021 10:24 AM (u82oZ)

181 Finished reading non-fiction book A Few Planes for China (2017) by Eugenie Buchan. The origin of the book begins in the best possible way; the author finds a "sack full of her grandfathers files" in her mother's closet.

The book deflates Claire Chennault's self-serving fictions regarding the AVG Flying Tigers. How it was created, financed and birthed. Only recommended to people into reading about the China-Burma-India theater of WWII.

Posted by: 13times at November 07, 2021 10:24 AM (9rMWy)

182 There are so many ordinary kids in the "Gifted and Talented" program that there is no room for the truly gifted.

Posted by: Been Lurking at November 07, 2021 10:24 AM (rDgjh)

183 >Thanks squeakywheel .
Posted by: LASue

You're most welcome. I wanted to avoid Amazon, too. Just make sure to go into their online store via the drop down menu. (If you click on the photo of JJ's book on the Calamo main page it will immediately send you to Amazon, I don't know why.)

Posted by: squeakywheel at November 07, 2021 10:24 AM (UDSF6)

184 Any other people have bunches of books they won't know what to do with when no longer needed? I have so many "obsolete" books from libraries and books on my interest subjects that I'd have no idea what to do with them. Recycle? Even books from the 1800s? Probably the fate of them whether I like the idea or not.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at November 07, 2021 10:25 AM (7bRMQ)

185 I loved Dewey.
Posted by: grammie winger at November 07, 2021 10:23 AM (45fpk)

He was the smartest of them all.

Posted by: Just a side note at November 07, 2021 10:25 AM (2DOZq)

186 Say this about the Germans, they planned out everything.

Ordnung ist Ordnung...

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at November 07, 2021 10:26 AM (ZSK0i)

187 Is there a place other than Amazon where I can order JJs book and maybe put more money in his pocket and less in bezos?
Posted by: LASue at November 07, 2021 10:11 AM (Ed8Zd)

I use Half Price Books, ABE Books, and Thriftbooks

There are also some others as well.

I use Amazon as a general review of the titles for an author, and then order elsewhere if I can

Posted by: Kindltot at November 07, 2021 10:26 AM (P9T5R)

188 I've been looking for a biography of Mikhail Gorbachev.
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Today is the 104th Anniversary of the October Revolution. Russian Commies held a memorial at Lenin's tomb although as far as I know none of them rubbed their penis on the mummy unlike for Mao recently. [Obviously still using the Julian Calendar but I guess changing it to the "November Revolution" would screw up alot of books!]

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at November 07, 2021 10:26 AM (UHVv4)

189 I also had an interesting conversation with a 5K kid, a sweet little girl whose brother is also in 5K. I had assumed they were fraternal twins, but the little girl told me they are half siblings, with different moms. Daddy lives with her and her mommy and her brother's mommy lives 2 doors down. I tried wrapping my head around that one. "Honey, I'm so happy you're pregnant. My girlfriend is pregnant too. Isn't that terrific? She'll live right down the street and we can all be one big happy family!" "Sure, honey. Fine by me - whatever makes you happy, makes me happy...."

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V at November 07, 2021 10:27 AM (HabA/)

190
He was the smartest of them all.
Posted by: Just a side note at November 07, 2021 10:25 AM (2DOZq)

well yeah, what with that decimal system and all.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 07, 2021 10:27 AM (evAgx)

191 Reading The Last Duel, by Eric Jager. Having read through the climax of the duel itself, I think this could be one hell of a movie, even if it stars MATT DAMON!

Jager devotes most of the book to the background of the quarrel, and in so doing provides a lot of information that was new (to me, anyway) about the period and customs of the late 14th Century, and demonstrates that human nature has not changed.

Without giving away any spoilers, I'm not completely convinced that the outcome of the trial by combat truly reflected God's Judgment.

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at November 07, 2021 10:27 AM (CmPBR)

192 This is a kid who is as smart as a whip and should be in a gifted and talented class instead of being lumped in with special ed kids.

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V at November 07, 2021 10:20 AM (HabA/)

Yeahhhh, we don't care about the gifteds anymore. Our sweet government heroin, er, money comes from the remedials.

Posted by: Your Education Establishment at November 07, 2021 10:27 AM (7bRMQ)

193 Say this about the Germans, they planned out everything.

Ordnung ist Ordnung...
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at November 07, 2021 10:26 AM (ZSK0i)

Their greatest and worst asset.

Posted by: Just a side note at November 07, 2021 10:28 AM (2DOZq)

194 Obviously still using the Julian Calendar but I guess changing it to the "November Revolution" would screw up alot of books!]
Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at November 07, 2021 10:26 AM (UHVv4)
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The Hunt for Red November. Nope, doesn't flow.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at November 07, 2021 10:28 AM (AlkyK)

195 Having attempted to sell books on ebay, I can confirm that the prices have collapsed, unless what you are selling is a rare book, like an illuminated copy of of a manuscript.

Posted by: Canto reader at November 07, 2021 10:28 AM (jTmQV)

196 In this regard, EA Poe is a lot like PG Wodehouse. Videos or movies of his stories are rarely funny and even when they are, they aren't nearly as explosively funny as they are when reading.

Posted by: naturalfake at November 07, 2021 10:23 AM (5NkmN)
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The same applies to Evelyn Waugh. The reason why the Brideshead Revisited adaption worked so well was that in many places they simply had Jeremy Irons read from the book while the action takes place.

The introduction to Oxford, is the perfect example - images of the university and town while Irons reads Waugh's description and music softly plays.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 07, 2021 10:28 AM (llXky)

197 If you take a close look at Die Hard, it is really a tumultuous love story between John and Hans, and the sometimes self destructive nature of LGBTQ relationships.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at November 07, 2021 10:30 AM (0ryfU)

198 All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes

We do have some similar interests in books. Like Bored of the Rings, Heinlein, and ERB.

Alas, I missed talking with you at the MoMeet.

Next year in Corsicana.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at November 07, 2021 10:30 AM (u82oZ)

199 Posted by: Tuna at November 07, 2021 10:16 AM (gLRfa)

Inspector likes the series, I believe.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at November 07, 2021 10:30 AM (MXdMt)

200 Every time I increase my word power and try to get the payment, my taxes go up.

Posted by: Roy at November 07, 2021 10:31 AM (Ti+Tv)

201 >>> This also explains the theories about the existence of the so-called clitoris and g-spot.

Yes, I went there. Back to lurking.
Posted by: Count de Monet, Unvaccinated Kulak-American at November 07, 2021 10:10 AM (4I/2K)

Ha! I was going to go there and decided not to. But I should have known I'd get an assist. Our moronity is a grand collaborative group effort.

Posted by: banana Dream at November 07, 2021 10:31 AM (Mlkm4)

202 Salty, I had a similar experience, except the books were electrical engineering textbooks from the early 1950s, a Time-Life series of the United States from 1870 to 1970, Clinton (Iowa) High School yearbooks from the late '40s, and a University of Iowa yearbook from 1950.

Plus a mess of cookbooks.

Yeah, the heirs couldn't be bothered.

I sent a bunch of stuff to auction 2 years ago (decluttering) and included 2 boxes of those old paperback cooking booklets, some were for advertising, some were just various series - most from the 1930s to 50s. The auction house wouldn't take them! They said they just can't get any interest in books, they only handle them if they're disposing of an entire estate. So I brought them back home. I was secretly glad - I didn't want to part with them anyway!

Posted by: Dr. Mabusette, just to clarify things at November 07, 2021 10:31 AM (FIWcj)

203 @183

It depends on how inspired you are, but it's pretty easy to sell used books, nowadays, on etsy, or abebooks, or even amazon.

I always give the project to the young folks in my family, and tell them they can keep the proceeds.

That way, you don't feel guilty about pitching them out, if the library "friends" department says they can't take them.

Posted by: artemis at November 07, 2021 10:31 AM (AwPyG)

204 184. Donate to the local library, historical society, or contact your special interest groups for donation info.

Posted by: Jen the original at November 07, 2021 10:32 AM (0Qhir)

205 124 I enjoy large, open world video games so when I saw that Witcher III: Wild Hunt has a beautiful open world environment I bought it even though monsters and magic is not my preferred genre. And it does have a beautiful open world. Turns out, the games is based upon a series of books/stories by Polish author Andrzej Sapkowski starting with The Last Wish. (It's also a series on Netflix.). The book is good although a bit challenging in that it uses an unusual vocabulary perhaps derived from Polish folk lore or perhaps he just made them up.

https://amzn.to/302HHTH
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 07, 2021 10:04 AM

Andrzej Sapkowski mashes up folktales from everywhere. I have a copy of "The Last Wish" just for the story "A Grain of Truth" (his version of Beauty & the Beast).

I can't recommend the series. Blood of Elves made me think that things were getting lost in translation, especially in some of the dialogue. According to a Polish-reading friend, the problem is Sapkowski isn't a very good writer. That said, I liked Witcher 3 and enjoyed "meeting" my friend's favorite supporting character, Regis, in the Blood and Wine DLC.

Posted by: NaughtyPinebox at November 07, 2021 10:32 AM (/+bwe)

206 Pat Conroy had a good run before he died.

Lords of Discipline
Great Santini
Prince of Tides

Anyone read his other books? Opinion?

Posted by: Just a side note at November 07, 2021 10:32 AM (2DOZq)

207 Without giving away any spoilers, I'm not completely convinced that the outcome of the trial by combat truly reflected God's Judgment.
Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at November 07, 2021 10:27 AM (CmPBR)

In the 1800's Charles Mackay wrote a wonderful explanation of Trial by Combat which explained perfectly why it persisted for so long. In the medieval era, "Justice" meant submitting yourself to the Judgment of the local Lord, who would always favor his cronies, or the the Church, who may hate you, or the King, who may hate you even more. Once you were accused, your chances of a "fair trial" were next to zero. So far better to demand a judgment in a process where you had a chance and could control your own destiny (or die trying) than submit yourself to the corruption of the system you lived under.

nobody actually believed that God determined the outcome.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 07, 2021 10:33 AM (evAgx)

208 Having attempted to sell books on ebay, I can confirm that the prices have collapsed, unless what you are selling is a rare book, like an illuminated copy of of a manuscript.
Posted by: Canto reader at November 07, 2021 10:28 AM (jTmQV)

What hasn't collapsed is the SHIPPING costs! Most of the time that's what dissuades me from buying a book online or from ebay - the book might cost $6, but the shipping is $25!

Posted by: Dr. Mabusette, just to clarify things at November 07, 2021 10:33 AM (FIWcj)

209 We will gladly take all of your books.

Posted by: The Firemen at November 07, 2021 10:34 AM (rDgjh)

210 I think I have the entire library of Readers Digest Condensed Books inherited from my Father.

Posted by: Just a side note at November 07, 2021 10:34 AM (2DOZq)

211 LA Sue,

Betty McDonald, as you probably know, was the author of the "Mrs. Piggle-wiggle" books from the 1950's. They are the best read-aloud books, as the humor is on two levels: kids and parents.
I was an indefatigable reader-aloud when mine were young.
Even used to go read to the sixth grade at my kids' elementary school. The idea was that they needed to hear the spoken word for longer than TV dialogue.

Posted by: sal at November 07, 2021 10:35 AM (bJKUl)

212 >>> 177 Like good Americans throwing the unvaxxed out of work because that somehow protects the vaxxed? .
Nope- we are even worse

Posted by: LASue at November 07, 2021 10:15 AM (Ed8Zd)
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No, it's different because they didn't think through the consequences. They live in the moment and issue rules and requirements without the faintest idea of what will happen.

As conformists, they believe social ostracism is the worst thing anyone can have happen so it never occurs to them that people will resist. Then they wonder why the ERs are closing due to lack of staff, or the 911 calls go unanswered.

Say this about the Germans, they planned out everything.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 07, 2021 10:23 AM (llXky)

You don't think any of what's happening had been planned?

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at November 07, 2021 10:36 AM (ACi07)

213 I've found a couple of used book stores in the area will buy your books, either outright or for store credit.

I also consign some books at a local home goods consignment shop.

Posted by: squeakywheel at November 07, 2021 10:36 AM (UDSF6)

214 An interesting note about the Charles Todd books--they are really good historical fiction, as grammie says, and they were written by a mother-son team.

The mother recently died, so we'll see what happens.

Posted by: artemis at November 07, 2021 10:37 AM (AwPyG)

215 I liked Witcher 3 and enjoyed "meeting" my friend's favorite supporting character, Regis, in the Blood and Wine DLC.
Posted by: NaughtyPinebox at November 07, 2021 10:32 AM (/+bwe)

There is no "lesser" or "greater evil". Evil is evil.

Posted by: My name is Jose Jimanez at November 07, 2021 10:37 AM (Fs5vw)

216 if currie was a soviet asset, as has been established, his role in the promotion of the american volunteer group, makes sense, now that doesn't mean that china was not the right cause over japan, paulley was later involved in central america and cuba, (he owned the tramline in havana)

Posted by: alien covenant was much worse at November 07, 2021 10:37 AM (hMlTh)

217 Donate to the local library, historical society, or contact your special interest groups for donation info.

Posted by: Jen the original at November 07, 2021 10:32 AM (0Qhir)

The library toss file is where I got my obsolete books. Just don't know what to do with them if no one wants them. Too many books as "one-off" purchases that I don't have a "group" of books on the same subject, or author collection. Most of my stuff is non-fiction anyway. Thanks Jen.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at November 07, 2021 10:37 AM (7bRMQ)

218 Just received my copy of Andy Ngo's "Unmasked: Inside Antifa's Radical Plan to Destroy Democracy." Looking forward to reading it.

Posted by: Linnet at November 07, 2021 10:38 AM (Xi0PS)

219 Engineering books are crazy expensive. I'm talking about out of print ones that are better than modern versions. They are often many hundreds of dollars.

Posted by: banana Dream at November 07, 2021 10:38 AM (Mlkm4)

220 2 boxes of those old paperback cooking booklets, some were for advertising, some were just various series - most from the 1930s to 50s

My wife and daughters picked up some of those Pillsbury bake-off cookbooks that were thinly disguised ways to push product. They were very helpful to my learning how to cook when my wife was recovering from cancer.

Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Michael Byrd Murdered Ashli Babbitt at November 07, 2021 10:38 AM (y7DUB)

221 Then explain the prosperity of Germany prior to the Great Depression and the middle to late 1930's. Germany had plenty of food.

Posted by: My name is Jose Jimanez at November 07, 2021 10:20 AM (Fs5vw)
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They imported it. Between the UK's naval blockade and the loss of Soviet grain shipments, famine was inevitable.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 07, 2021 10:39 AM (llXky)

222 Weak Geek

That is unusual, since cookbooks were the more desirable books for such a long time.

But I see popular culture lacking the interests in books. Too long in a 144 character world.

I have a coworker 15 years younger than me. She hates email. Only short texts for her.

That is a management issue as well, as the executive summary is too long.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at November 07, 2021 10:39 AM (u82oZ)

223 150 I believe the 3rd novel in Frank J Fleming's "Superego" series will be published soon. Anyone else here a fan of Rico and his transition from the galaxy's most deadly hitman to hero? Many years ago I followed a Book Thread recommendation for the first book and was hooked.
Posted by: Tuna at November 07, 2021 10:16 AM (gLRfa)
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I was a fan of the first and bought the second. Glad it will be a series.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 07, 2021 10:39 AM (Dc2NZ)

224 the people at the wef wargame in 2019, certainly did game this out, all the major fanners of panic from john hopkins to the cdc, the appalachian conference of epidemiology,

Posted by: alien covenant was much worse at November 07, 2021 10:39 AM (hMlTh)

225 ...they simply had Jeremy Irons read from the book while the action takes place.
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They did that for Kim Novak for the lesbo scene in the Amorous Adventures of Moll Flanders too!

~~So I'm told by a friend.~~

I mean, so I overheard a stranger say on the subway.

Yeah. On the subway.

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at November 07, 2021 10:40 AM (UHVv4)

226 I've been looking for a biography of Mikhail Gorbachev.

A (Polish) friend of mine recommends Robert Kaiser’s Why Gorbachev Happened, Mark Galeotti’s Gorbachev and His Revolution, and Doder and Branson’s Gorbachev: Heretic in the Kremlin. Not specifically biographies, though.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at November 07, 2021 10:41 AM (CnogD)

227 @222

There's an abbreviation used for it: TL;DR

It means "Too long, didn't read."

Posted by: artemis at November 07, 2021 10:41 AM (AwPyG)

228 They imported it. Between the UK's naval blockade and the loss of Soviet grain shipments, famine was inevitable.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 07, 2021 10:39 AM (llXky)

and now they've cut off all their energy supplies - and Russia just turned off their nat gas lifeline and than said "oops, did we do that?"

except without energy not only can you not feed anyone, you can't even get up an army. You're just dead. Gonna be an interesting winter.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 07, 2021 10:41 AM (evAgx)

229 Anyone read his other books? Opinion?

Posted by: Just a side note at November 07, 2021 10:32 AM (2DOZq)
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The Death of Santini is a worthwhile read. Helps you understand the author a bit more.

It's nonfiction, btw.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 07, 2021 10:41 AM (llXky)

230 OK, folks, think I'm going to call it a morning. I know it's cold outside, but maybe I need a walk to clear my mind and get ready for another long week.

55 days to go.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 07, 2021 10:42 AM (2JVJo)

231 If anyone is interested humble bundle has a bundle of books on the Samurai the history the code etcetera.

Also a bundle of books to help you with writing for NaNoWriMo also some cookbooks, various programming, some RPG rule books, and electronic book bundles.

Posted by: banana Dream at November 07, 2021 10:42 AM (Mlkm4)

232 Have a great day, everyone.

May your books inspire, entertain and educate.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at November 07, 2021 10:42 AM (u82oZ)

233 >>> 228 They imported it. Between the UK's naval blockade and the loss of Soviet grain shipments, famine was inevitable.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 07, 2021 10:39 AM (llXky)

and now they've cut off all their energy supplies - and Russia just turned off their nat gas lifeline and than said "oops, did we do that?"

except without energy not only can you not feed anyone, you can't even get up an army. You're just dead. Gonna be an interesting winter.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 07, 2021 10:41 AM (evAgx)

We can't wait!

Posted by: Great Resetters at November 07, 2021 10:43 AM (ACi07)

234 Good morning Hordemates!

Posted by: Diogenes at November 07, 2021 10:43 AM (axyOa)

235 Also in that dump: kids' 45 rpm records. Yogi Bear, "What It Means to Be a Camp Fire Girl," etc.

I'll probably unload those on Goodwill. Some crafter might have a use for them.

I'm sure our used-book store operates at a loss. The founder, now long gone, ran a tax preparation business. I think the store provided a tax write-off.

But I'm glad to have it.

Posted by: Weak Geek at November 07, 2021 10:43 AM (Om/di)

236 For my Viking funeral, just stack the paperbacks around me on the bier, push the boat out to sea, and loose that flaming arrow.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 07, 2021 10:43 AM (Dc2NZ)

237 162 ... "I am doing the 100 Days of Dante.
In the Longfellow translation, some of the souls in hell are guilty of the sin of "flattery" which took me back a bit.
Might the meaning of that word have changed over time?"

There have been several instances where the 'sin' doesn't sound so bad by today's standards. If I'm reading this right, falsity, especially in a way to cheat someone for monetary or political gain, defies God's edict that man must strive for his own benefit. The flatterer tries to circumvent that striving. (Interest charges are another example.)

Hope I've got the right idea. Part of my interest in the Comedy has been learning how concepts have changed over the centuries.

Posted by: JTB at November 07, 2021 10:43 AM (7EjX1)

238 215 I liked Witcher 3 and enjoyed "meeting" my friend's favorite supporting character, Regis, in the Blood and Wine DLC.
Posted by: NaughtyPinebox at November 07, 2021 10:32 AM (/+bwe)

Another one of the things I like about The Witcher series on Netflix, he's the only true conservative in a world of insanity.

Posted by: My name is Jose Jimanez at November 07, 2021 10:43 AM (Fs5vw)

239 Is anyone doing the book in a month thing?

How does that happen?

Posted by: artemis at November 07, 2021 10:44 AM (AwPyG)

240 Gonna be an interesting winter.
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That's what I said!

Posted by: zombie napoleon at November 07, 2021 10:44 AM (UHVv4)

241 except without energy not only can you not feed anyone, you can't even get up an army. You're just dead. Gonna be an interesting winter.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 07, 2021 10:41 AM (evAgx)

That's what the French did to them in the 20's and early 30's. What happened then? Just being sarcastic because that's the only similarity right now.

Posted by: Just a side note at November 07, 2021 10:44 AM (2DOZq)

242 Nice picture of that Spanish commie holding a Mauser C96 Broomhandle pistol.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 07, 2021 10:19 AM (d9FiS)

I believe that to be the Astra 903 in 7.65 with the detachable 20 round magazine, capable of semi or full auto fire.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 07, 2021 10:44 AM (P9T5R)

243 That's what I said!
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Me too!

Posted by: zombie karl xii at November 07, 2021 10:44 AM (UHVv4)

244 >>> I believe the 3rd novel in Frank J Fleming's "Superego" series will be published soon. Anyone else here a fan of Rico and his transition from the galaxy's most deadly hitman to hero? Many years ago I followed a Book Thread recommendation for the first book and was hooked.
Posted by: Tuna at November 07, 2021 10:16 AM (gLRfa)

I'm a big fan of the series and the author.

Posted by: banana Dream at November 07, 2021 10:44 AM (Mlkm4)

245 Off to seize the day. I'll check in later.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 07, 2021 10:45 AM (Dc2NZ)

246 Re: Russia
We are re-reading the Stuart Kaminsky police procedurals set in the USSR. Enjoyable, with good characters. Main take-away: everyday life in the USSR sucked.

Posted by: sal at November 07, 2021 10:45 AM (bJKUl)

247 That's what I said!
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Me too!
Posted by: zombie karl xii at November 07, 2021 10:44 AM (UHVv4)
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You guys...

Posted by: Zombie Heinz Guderian at November 07, 2021 10:46 AM (AlkyK)

248 Hope I've got the right idea. Part of my interest in the Comedy has been learning how concepts have changed over the centuries.
Posted by: JTB at November 07, 2021 10:43 AM (7EjX1)

I'm sure you're studying Shakespeare's comedy. I don't get it.

Posted by: Just a side note at November 07, 2021 10:46 AM (2DOZq)

249 If you need a little pick-me-up this weekend, the Tabernacle Choir's broadcast, starting in a few minutes, will be a patriotic program to honor our Veterans:

https://tinyurl.com/348yznds

The live broadcast can be seen on that page at 9:30 AM Mountain Time. Then the video will be available on that same page after the broadcast.

Posted by: Half Dozen at November 07, 2021 10:47 AM (WX+KH)

250 @211

That's why many of us like to read aloud the Dr. Seuss books, I think; they showcase the rhythm and cleverness of the language

Posted by: artemis at November 07, 2021 10:47 AM (AwPyG)

251 You know what book I really, really hated? That Fellowship of the Ya-Ya Sisterhood or whatever it was called. Three bratty, privileged girls in a Southern town who are so much more enlightened than their neighbors. A woman in the book, who is supposed to be admirable, yells at her husband for letting their son go off to fight the Nazis and get killed. Millions died in the war, but somehow it's the dad's fault that this kid got killed. Plus, the book is filled with swipes at Republicans. I disliked all the characters who were supposed to be so lovable.

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V at November 07, 2021 10:48 AM (HabA/)

252 234 Good morning, Diogenes

Posted by: callsign claymore at November 07, 2021 10:48 AM (aYVBT)

253 Time to head outside. We have a rare 1-week stretch of dry weather, temps going up to the mid-40s by afternoon. My chance to rake and shred the leaves.

Posted by: Dr. Mabusette, just to clarify things at November 07, 2021 10:48 AM (FIWcj)

254 "Hey, nice looking haircut!"
(trap door opens, descends to hell)
LOL

Posted by: Canto reader at November 07, 2021 10:49 AM (jTmQV)

255 I'm sure you're studying Shakespeare's comedy. I don't get it.
Posted by: Just a side note at November 07, 2021 10:46 AM (2DOZq)

I'm convinced that a lot of Shakespeare's comic moments depending on the actors and their performances. They're works that are meant to be performed by talented people, and a lot of it doesn't translate into print all that well.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 07, 2021 10:49 AM (evAgx)

256 Time to head outside. We have a rare 1-week stretch of dry weather, temps going up to the mid-40s by afternoon. My chance to rake and shred the leaves.

Posted by: Dr. Mabusette, just to clarify things at November 07, 2021 10:48 AM (FIWcj)

Rent some goats!

Posted by: Post From Last Week at November 07, 2021 10:50 AM (7bRMQ)

257 I have a coworker 15 years younger than me. She hates email. Only short texts for her.

That is a management issue as well, as the executive summary is too long.

Studies have shown that you need to put the punch in your correspondence in the first sentence if you want your email to be read because some phone apps show the sender, subject and the first line or so of the email.

"Hi, my name is Tony and I am the CEO of a large corporation that is interested in doing business with your company... blah blah blah... in order to move things along, can you and another join me as I have four tickets to the World Series game this Tuesday"
-vs-
"I have two tickets to the World Series here for you..."

Posted by: Reuben Hick at November 07, 2021 10:51 AM (+LCoQ)

258 For those with qualms about buying stuff on Amazon, there is a way to divert some of their gains to worthy causes. They have a program called Amazon Smile, where a percentage of your purchase goes to your designated charity, and they have a LOT listed. I, for example have currently designated Project Veritas (how that got by their internal censors I have no idea). They also have Heifer International, one of the more no-nonsense charities that gets poor people worldwide what they actually need, like ducks and geese and cows.

If you can't fight the system head-on, work from the inside and redirect it in little bits

Posted by: Sabrina Chase at November 07, 2021 10:52 AM (CUULq)

259 What hasn't collapsed is the SHIPPING costs!

Yeah, I see this a lot with old community cookbooks on eBay. Sellers want premium prices and then shipping on top of that. And aren’t even willing to show scans of the recipes.

I actually bought a 1962 Oklahoma City community cookbook a few weeks ago almost solely because the seller started bidding at 99 cents, shipping was $3, and they provided enough scans to see that it had some interesting recipes. Normally would not have paid more than $1-$2 for that kind of book, but that was a rare combination I felt ought to be rewarded.

Got a nice poppy seed/mustard fruit salad dressing out of it, so far.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at November 07, 2021 10:52 AM (CnogD)

260 @255

And a joke that never gets old in Shakespeare is the cuckold--the man with an unfaithful wife. A million references to it.

Posted by: artemis at November 07, 2021 10:52 AM (AwPyG)

261 They imported it. Between the UK's naval blockade and the loss of Soviet grain shipments, famine was inevitable.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 07, 2021 10:39 AM (llXky

Still don't buy into this theory. When I Iived in Germany, I asked a lot of questions on why the war happened. Not once was it mentioned because people were scared for the food supply.

Posted by: My name is Jose Jimanez at November 07, 2021 10:53 AM (Fs5vw)

262 I suppose if you really don't want to toss the books, get random addresses across the US and mail them out with a note "congratulations on winning this auction, your payment went through, we will have others in the future"
and put in another random return address when they send it back.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 07, 2021 10:54 AM (P9T5R)

263 89 We've been binge watching 'Shetland' on Britbox, and really loving it. So I picked up the first book in the series that the TV show is based on. "Black Raven" by Ann Cleeves. It was free on Kindle Unlimited. I've only just started, and things are a little different than on the show, but that's to be expected.

Posted by: grammie winger at November 07, 2021 09:43 AM (45fpk)

Did you find you had to turn on subtitles in order to understand the dialog?
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at November 07, 2021 10:07 AM (GLULz)

Yes, and subtitles also helped with the "Vera" TV series, based on books by the same author, and pretty good, too.

Posted by: Wethal at November 07, 2021 10:54 AM (ZzVCK)

264 Did somebody mention Kim Novak?

Siiiggghhh...

Posted by: Diogenes at November 07, 2021 10:55 AM (axyOa)

265 - 216 -The concept of mercenary fighter pilots in China predates Currie's involvement with the KMT. Bill Pawley of Intercontinent signed a contract with Chiang in 1933 and built a aircraft manufacturing facility (Central Aircraft Manufacturing Company) Just south of Shanghai. Bruce Leighton VP marketing Intercontinental approached HH Kong (KMT finance) about buying Wright-Curtiss P-40's.

Posted by: 13times at November 07, 2021 10:55 AM (9rMWy)

266 @257 --

That's Journalism 101. If you can't hook them with the lede, the rest of the story will likely go unread.

Posted by: Weak Geek at November 07, 2021 10:55 AM (Om/di)

267 Abebooks is also Amazon.

Posted by: Neal at November 07, 2021 10:55 AM (43xH1)

268 Still don't buy into this theory. When I Iived in Germany, I asked a lot of questions on why the war happened. Not once was it mentioned because people were scared for the food supply.
Posted by: My name is Jose Jimanez at November 07, 2021 10:53 AM (Fs5vw)

more like Bismark started militarizing everything in the 1870's and all of the good ones moved to the US. And then Schickelgruber took advantage of the situation.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 07, 2021 10:56 AM (evAgx)

269 f currie was a soviet asset, as has been established, his role in the promotion of the american volunteer group, makes sense, now that doesn't mean that china was not the right cause over japan, paulley was later involved in central america and cuba, (he owned the tramline in havana)

Posted by: alien covenant was much worse at November 07, 2021 10:37 AM (hMlTh)
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Soviet support for the KMT is well known. This is one of the reasons why the Soviet's bailed on Republican Spain - they needed to shore up their position in the Far East against Japan.

I've got an Osprey book of Aircraft of Nationalist China and a bunch of the early ones are Polycarpov I-15s and I-16s.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 07, 2021 10:56 AM (llXky)

270 Nice picture of that Spanish commie holding a Mauser C96 Broomhandle pistol.

Probably an Astra clone.

The factory was in Guernica.

Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain, Dandolo Did Nothing Wrong at November 07, 2021 10:56 AM (8ZOrF)

271 Still don't buy into this theory. When I Iived in Germany, I asked a lot of questions on why the war happened. Not once was it mentioned because people were scared for the food supply.
Posted by: My name is Jose Jimanez at November 07, 2021 10:53 AM (Fs5vw)

The war happened because the European WW1 allies were far too punitive for too long to Germany. It allowed the rise of communists and Hitler.

Posted by: Just a side note at November 07, 2021 10:56 AM (2DOZq)

272 @258

Look to see if it's one of those private foundations, though, where they're allowed to spend up to 95% of donations on "administration" and only 5% on the actual charity.

You know when you're at the market, and they ask if you'd like to donate to feed the homeless, etc? That's what that is.

An IRS-blessed scam. See: Harry and Meghan

Posted by: artemis at November 07, 2021 10:57 AM (AwPyG)

273 For those with qualms about buying stuff on Amazon, there is a way to divert some of their gains to worthy causes. They have a program called Amazon Smile, where a percentage of your purchase goes to your designated charity, and they have a LOT listed.

Sabrina is right. I have my Amazon account set to donate to Hosea's Heart each purchase. It is a girls school in Eswatini that my daughter works with. They rescue and provide food, shelter and schooling for sex-trafficked young girls. It adds up.

Posted by: grammie winger at November 07, 2021 10:57 AM (45fpk)

274 waiting hopefully for the day when "just a side note" comments about something related to a book thread.

Posted by: artemis at November 07, 2021 10:58 AM (AwPyG)

275 I sold my old medical texts as I went through school. Nobody wants them once the new edition comes out. I wound up tossing a bunch of them before the last move.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at November 07, 2021 10:58 AM (0ryfU)

276 Greetings:

I finished "Cheyenne Summer: The Battle of Beecher Island" yesterday and can recommend it highly especially for "Young Adult" readers.

Getting it out of our local Frisco Bay Area public library, it was quite a surprise especially during Native American Month. The author, Terry Mort, has apparently gotten all of the necessary injections of the Anti-Progressive Troth Plighting vaccine.

The initial two-thirds of the book provides a politically neutral history of the goings-on on the American Plains in the post Civil War era. The army, especially the cavalry, the railroads, the Amerindian tribes, politicians, pacifists, and the Euro-immigrant settlers, all get their parts in the history.

The battle itself is well described especially the logistical variables and the almost always involved "unknown-unknowns". That so many cavalrymen managed to survive and remain an effective fighting force is pretty remarkable.

In these days, especially in my area, this book could be either an educational pre-emptive strike or a needed curative. Best Amerindian read since I found T.R. Fehrenbach's "Comanches: The History of a People".

Posted by: 11B40 at November 07, 2021 10:58 AM (uuklp)

277 I suppose if you really don't want to toss the books, get random addresses across the US and mail them out with a note "congratulations on winning this auction, your payment went through, we will have others in the future"
and put in another random return address when they send it back.

Go down to Home Depot and get the largest bird house available. put it on a 4' high post in the front yard, cram the box with books and hang a side claiming it is a neighborhood "library".

This is the equivalent of a Hate Has No Home Here yard phylactery without actually claiming that you are a God hating Communist.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at November 07, 2021 10:59 AM (+LCoQ)

278 Morning.

I have coffee.

All may yet live another day.

I just ordered used copies of those Peter Dickinson books for my mom.

Posted by: Robert at November 07, 2021 10:59 AM (1Yy3c)

279 Goodreads is amazon, too.

Amazon is like the borg, enveloping everything in its path.

Posted by: artemis at November 07, 2021 11:00 AM (AwPyG)

280
Still don't buy into this theory. When I Iived in Germany, I asked a lot of questions on why the war happened. Not once was it mentioned because people were scared for the food supply.

Posted by: My name is Jose Jimanez at November 07, 2021 10:53 AM (Fs5vw)
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This isn't a theory, it's reality. Germany relied on food imports to feed its population. When those were cut off, starvation was the result in both world wars.

Germany was not as dependent as the UK, but it was incapable of feeding itself. Remember that in addition to feeding people, back then you needed to feed HORSES. Lots and lots of them.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 07, 2021 11:00 AM (llXky)

281 Do greenies turn blue when they freeze to death?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 07, 2021 11:00 AM (63Dwl)

282 waiting hopefully for the day when "just a side note" comments about something related to a book thread.
Posted by: artemis at November 07, 2021 10:58 AM (AwPy

You must skip a lot of my comments,

Posted by: Just a side note at November 07, 2021 11:01 AM (2DOZq)

283 SCTV Shakespeare's Greatest Jokes
https://tinyurl.com/hvve4yhw

1:28 minutes

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at November 07, 2021 11:02 AM (UHVv4)

284
I suppose if you really don't want to toss the books, get random addresses across the US and mail them out with a note "congratulations on winning this auction, your payment went through, we will have others in the future"
and put in another random return address when they send it back.

That will make the news just like the mysterious seeds.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 07, 2021 11:02 AM (63Dwl)

285 @275

I wonder if that's why engineering texts hold their value; the formulas and the understanding of the basics really haven't changed.

I mentioned that my dad kept his texts from the 1940s, and used them for reference 60 years later.

Posted by: artemis at November 07, 2021 11:03 AM (AwPyG)

286 215 I liked Witcher 3 and enjoyed "meeting" my friend's favorite supporting character, Regis, in the Blood and Wine DLC.
Posted by: NaughtyPinebox at November 07, 2021 10:32 AM (/+bwe)

There is no "lesser" or "greater evil". Evil is evil.
Posted by: My name is Jose Jimanez at November 07, 2021 10:37 AM

One of the things I liked about Witcher 3 is that I could simply ignore certain choices. According to canon, Geralt should choose Yennifer over Triss, but they're both conniving sleazebags who make their way by selling abortifacients and sleeping around with the powerful. Heck, in the short story where Yennifer is introduced, it's made clear that Geralt's falling for Beau Berrant's sloppy seconds - and then she uses Geralt to get revenge on the locals.

My friends who watch the Netflix series report that teachers turn certain students into electric eels to power the school and later one uses her pupils as fuel for fire magic. Not a surprise, really. After elves taught newcomer humans magic, their pupils repaid them by murdering them.

Posted by: NaughtyPinebox at November 07, 2021 11:03 AM (/+bwe)

287 I sold my old medical texts as I went through school. Nobody wants them once the new edition comes out. I wound up tossing a bunch of them before the last move.

Is it true that five or so years later that medical knowledge has shifted so much that many books and practices become obsolete?

Posted by: Reuben Hick at November 07, 2021 11:04 AM (+LCoQ)

288 I have never read anything by Andre Norton that I can recall. Any suggestions for a few titles to start?

Posted by: JTB at November 07, 2021 11:06 AM (7EjX1)

289 @287

If anyone knows someone going through cancer treatments, I strongly recommend browsing through MDAnderson.org. It's one of the premiere cancer research hospitals (U of Texas) and they are fighting the good fight, and right on the cutting edge of new treatments.

The latest promising news? Ivermectin seems to fight certain kinds of brain cancer.

Posted by: artemis at November 07, 2021 11:07 AM (AwPyG)

290 I was trying to purge books when I moved a few years ago. Salvation Army won't take books. Donated them to the library.

Posted by: Infidel at November 07, 2021 11:08 AM (QC3yT)

291 Helen Mirren is still pretty, IMO. Rather nice actress as well.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 07, 2021 11:09 AM (VWp7G)

292 Salvation Army won't take books.

==

since when ??

Posted by: runner at November 07, 2021 11:09 AM (V13WU)

293 In with Lloyd, they are sure everyone will cave to their demands, those not will be out of work, refused service at hospitals or restaurants, so will br broken sooner or later. Their side will be fine so they don't care. That's why Marxists will always open the Gulags, to jail those undesirables.

Posted by: Skip at November 07, 2021 11:09 AM (2JoB8)

294 In 10 years 50% of medical knowledge is obsolete. We just don't know which 50% it will be.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at November 07, 2021 11:10 AM (0ryfU)

295 Do greenies turn blue when they freeze to death?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 07, 2021 11:00 AM (63Dwl)

Bluest Blues -- Alvin Lee

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rB6OlJqV1rQ

Posted by: Napoleon XIV at November 07, 2021 11:11 AM (AiZBA)

296 I know goodwill will take books.

Posted by: artemis at November 07, 2021 11:11 AM (AwPyG)

297 Is it true that five or so years later that medical knowledge has shifted so much that many books and practices become obsolete?

Posted by: Reuben Hick at November 07, 2021 11:04 AM (+LCoQ)

Yes! We've regressed so far scientifically - as you can see - that I'll make a fortune reselling my books!!!!

Posted by: Medieval Scrivener at November 07, 2021 11:11 AM (7bRMQ)

298 In with Lloyd, they are sure everyone will cave to their demands, those not will be out of work, refused service at hospitals or restaurants, so will br broken sooner or later. Their side will be fine so they don't care. That's why Marxists will always open the Gulags, to jail those undesirables.

Posted by: Skip at November 07, 2021 11:09 AM (2JoB

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What's funny is that they're picking on the people they will need to enforce their edicts. Even people who are willing to obey the edicts to get the jab aren't happy about it.

They are so far removed from reality, they know nothing outside their Twitter feed.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 07, 2021 11:11 AM (llXky)

299 >>>This isn't a theory, it's reality. Germany relied on food imports to feed its population. When those were cut off, starvation was the result in both world wars.

There are videos of people eating dead horses in the streets after WWI and Wilson's draconian rules for Germany. At some points, Germans were boiling leather and eating it.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 07, 2021 11:12 AM (VWp7G)

300 I think the broomhandle guy is a member of the Falange militia.

Not commie.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 07, 2021 11:12 AM (R/m4+)

301 Yeah, I see this a lot with old community cookbooks on eBay. Sellers want premium prices and then shipping on top of that. And aren't even willing to show scans of the recipes.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at November 07, 2021 10:52 AM (CnogD)

I despise eBay sellers who overcharge for shipping. I'm like, "What? I'm not paying $16.50 shipping on your damn book! I'll buy it from someone else."

Maybe there's a reason for it other than greed, but I have no idea what it is.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at November 07, 2021 11:12 AM (GLULz)

302 ---
This isn't a theory, it's reality. Germany relied on food imports to feed its population. When those were cut off, starvation was the result in both world wars.

Germany was not as dependent as the UK, but it was incapable of feeding itself. Remember that in addition to feeding people, back then you needed to feed HORSES. Lots and lots of them.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 07, 2021 11:00 AM (llXky)

People afraid for the food supply during a war is much much different than the times leading up to war. The US also had a strict food rationing system during the war. Yes, there were food shortages in this country because a great portion of it went to the war effort.

Hitler and the nazis didn't start the war because of food. They wanted an empire.

Posted by: My name is Jose Jimanez at November 07, 2021 11:13 AM (Fs5vw)

303 Betty McDonald, as you probably know, was the author of the "Mrs. Piggle-wiggle" books from the 1950's. They are the best read-aloud books, as the humor is on two levels: kids and parents.
I was an indefatigable reader-aloud when mine were young.

Posted by: sal at November 07, 2021 10:35 AM (bJKUl)

When moving Mom down here I found a book titled "Uncle Wiggily's Picture Book". Written inside was a note from Mom. Her Dad used to read Uncle Wiggliy's stories from the Kansas city Star to her when she was a little girl. I read some from it to her when she basically comatose with alzheimers. I just hope she was comforted some by the sound of my voice.

Gloomy day

Posted by: Javems at November 07, 2021 11:13 AM (AmoqO)

304 @301

Yeah, for that price you can ship it to India. Literally.

Posted by: artemis at November 07, 2021 11:13 AM (AwPyG)

305 I think the broomhandle guy is a member of the Falange militia.

Not commie.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 07, 2021 11:12 AM (R/m4+)
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Correct. He's wearing a blue shirt (symbol of the Falange) and the caption identifies him as such.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 07, 2021 11:14 AM (llXky)

306 You know, if you have old cookbooks, especially the promo ones, you might dangle them in front of Lileks.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at November 07, 2021 11:14 AM (7bRMQ)

307 I've read Fenbendazole has some success again brain cancer. It's used in dog worming meds though.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at November 07, 2021 11:15 AM (YynYJ)

308 since when ??
Posted by: runner

My local one won't since March.

Posted by: Infidel at November 07, 2021 11:15 AM (QC3yT)

309 Hitler and the nazis didn't start the war because of food. They wanted an empire.

Posted by: My name is Jose Jimanez at November 07, 2021 11:13 AM (Fs5vw)
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Uh, and empire that produced...food!

Seriously, look up "Lebensraum." We'll wait.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 07, 2021 11:15 AM (llXky)

310 @299

My mother had a German friend, and she said after the war their father kept the family alive by catching wild birds to eat.

Posted by: artemis at November 07, 2021 11:16 AM (AwPyG)

311 NaughtyPinebox

You changed your nic !

Posted by: JT at November 07, 2021 11:16 AM (arJlL)

312 My wife (the lovely and accomplished Annalucia) and I are in the midst of a binge of reading the books by the Cooper family: Duff Cooper, who was a British politician of the mid-20th century (best known for having resigned from the Chamberlain cabinet in protest to the Munich agreement); his wife, the actress and socialite Diana Cooper; and their son, historian John Julius Norwich. At present, we are reading Duff Cooper's biography of Talleyrand. Cooper writes superbly well, and his take on Talleyrand's career and character are informed by his careers in the British foreign office and in politics, and his experience of having rubbed elbows with great and powerful men of his day.

What I find particularly intriguing is his description of Napoleon's career, and, in particular, his description of how Napoleon smothered the ideals of revolutionary France, replacing them with his tinsel imperialism. Many of Cooper's observations are all too reminiscent of our times. Consider his discussion of how Talleyrand was suspected of having leaked vital information to the British: (Continued next comment)

Posted by: Nemo at November 07, 2021 11:17 AM (S6ArX)

313 There are videos of people eating dead horses in the streets after WWI and Wilson's draconian rules for Germany. At some points, Germans were boiling leather and eating it.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 07, 2021 11:12 AM (VWp7G)

We never ratified the Versailles treaty though Wilson wanted too.

Posted by: Just a side note at November 07, 2021 11:18 AM (2DOZq)

314 I dumped off a load of books in Russian last week. I don't know what Goodwill is going to do with them, unless there's a vast Russian population in downtown Kenosha. Seems unlikely.

Posted by: grammie winger at November 07, 2021 11:18 AM (45fpk)

315 What's funny is that they're picking on the people they will need to enforce their edicts. Even people who are willing to obey the edicts to get the jab aren't happy about it.

They are so far removed from reality, they know nothing outside their Twitter feed.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 07, 2021 11:11 AM (llXky)

THIS! My unvaxxed bff has been picking up extra hours at a medical center because it's understaffed during a pediatric-level mental health crisis. Who's going to fill the gaps if a mandate overrides the exemptions? Low-skilled immigrants?

Posted by: NaughtyPinebox at November 07, 2021 11:18 AM (/+bwe)

316 A post script about my mom's German friend: she emigrated to the US, married, lived a long life, until one day, her husband was eating ice cream with her and she started speaking German.

He took her to the ER, and it turned out she'd had a stroke. 70 years later, she spoke German, and didn't remember English--they had to get a translator.

Posted by: artemis at November 07, 2021 11:18 AM (AwPyG)

317 I've read Fenbendazole has some success again brain cancer. It's used in dog worming meds though.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at November 07, 2021 11:15 AM (YynYJ)

Ha! You low class peons! Dog worming meds and horse worming meds! Get into real medicine. Take your orders from the esteemed Dr Fauci.

Now excuse me, I'm off to get my young blood transfusion.

Posted by: Your Learned Betters at November 07, 2021 11:19 AM (7bRMQ)

318 Good morning Horde. Not much time for reading, but I've been re-reading Gorky Park. Still an odd, and enjoyable book.

Posted by: Jak Sucio at November 07, 2021 11:19 AM (jvt6t)

319 >>>We never ratified the Versailles treaty though Wilson wanted too.
Posted by: Just a side note

Because he was a leftist psychopath. He effectively insured WWII after coming to Versaille and taking over things. He pissed off Germany, but really pissed off Japan, where he gave them no say in the proceedings.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 07, 2021 11:19 AM (VWp7G)

320 My mother had a German friend, and she said after the war their father kept the family alive by catching wild birds to eat.

Posted by: artemis at November 07, 2021 11:16 AM (AwPyG)
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Food shortages were widespread in Europe in 1945, particularly in areas formerly under German control because they stole all they could when they fell back.

The Dutch were hard-hit and as a result there was a second migratory wave to western Michigan. Since many of these people came from rural areas, they were socially conservative, which has shaped the state's politics ever since.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 07, 2021 11:20 AM (llXky)

321 teachers turn certain students into electric eels to power the school

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Is that what they mean green energy?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 07, 2021 11:20 AM (d9FiS)

322 To continue, Duff Cooper writes: "It is one of the gravest defects of autocracy as a system of government that it allows no room for legitimate opposition. The individual who sincerely believes that his country is suffering, and will continue to suffer as the result of bad policy, has to choose between becoming either a passive spectator of his country's' ruin or taking steps to prevent it which his enemies will denounce as disloyalty. When open opposition is rebellion, secret opposition becomes treason; yet there are circumstances in which such treason may become the duty of a patriot."

Posted by: Nemo at November 07, 2021 11:20 AM (S6ArX)

323 Greetings:

The Army's jungle manual used to say, "Don't eat what the birds and monkeys eat, eat the birds and the monkeys.

Posted by: 11B40 at November 07, 2021 11:20 AM (uuklp)

324 @312

Napoleon was the classic "strong man" filling the void left by revolution.

Everybody doesn't want a strong man, until they do.

Posted by: artemis at November 07, 2021 11:20 AM (AwPyG)

325 NaughtyPinebox

You changed your nic !
Posted by: JT at November 07, 2021 11:16 AM

Thanks for pointing it out! I did that on Halloween, the last time I used this laptop. Forgot to change it back.

Posted by: NaughtyPine at November 07, 2021 11:20 AM (/+bwe)

326 So I got the gun wrong and the guy's political persuasion but other than that I was 100% correct.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 07, 2021 11:21 AM (d9FiS)

327 Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 07, 2021 11:19 AM (VWp7G)

Agree but it was France that wanted their pound of flesh and more.

Posted by: Just a side note at November 07, 2021 11:21 AM (2DOZq)

328 Just linked the Spanish Civil War pictures at TMP Spanish Civil War board, sure some will like the pictures for painting figures.
Not reading Spanish no idea of captions but most looked on Communist side.

Posted by: Skip at November 07, 2021 11:21 AM (2JoB8)

329 You could give the russian books to trump. He must speak the language for his secret communications and collusion with putin through Alfabank.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at November 07, 2021 11:22 AM (0ryfU)

330 >>>Agree but it was France that wanted their pound of flesh and more.
Posted by: Just a side note

Also agreed.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 07, 2021 11:22 AM (VWp7G)

331 @326

The only exercise I get is jumping to conclusions!

Posted by: artemis at November 07, 2021 11:23 AM (AwPyG)

332 CAT - Now why didn't I think of that?

Posted by: grammie winger at November 07, 2021 11:23 AM (45fpk)

333 Because he was a leftist psychopath. He effectively insured WWII after coming to Versaille and taking over things. He pissed off Germany, but really pissed off Japan, where he gave them no say in the proceedings.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 07, 2021 11:19 AM (VWp7G)
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Wilson was spectacularly inept in regards to the treaty. He needed a majority in the Senate and refused to let Republican leaders come with him or have a stake in the final document. Then he figured he could bully them into voting for it, and instead gave himself a stroke.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 07, 2021 11:23 AM (llXky)

334 "The Dutch were hard-hit and as a result there was a second migratory wave to western Michigan. Since many of these people came from rural areas, they were socially conservative, which has shaped the state's politics ever since."

A good friend of ours from northern Ontario is of Dutch descent. Her parents in effect were expelled from the Netherlands, even though their families had lived there for innumerable generations; but they were Catholic, and the government used the crisis to rid itself of that pesky minority. OK, they weren't formally expelled, but they were *very* strongly urged to emigrate.

Posted by: Nemo at November 07, 2021 11:24 AM (S6ArX)

335 Good thread with videos:

@AKA_RealDirty

.@jsolomonReports tells @MariaBartiromo John Durham is looking at 2 different buckets. The first bucket is where we got the past two indictments. The other bucket is focused on the FBI.

.@jsolomonReports tells @MariaBartiromo there's no doubt there is activity inside the grand jury that's aimed at high-level officials from the FBI.

https://tinyurl.com/yfxvnknq

Posted by: Tami at November 07, 2021 11:24 AM (cF8AT)

336 Anyone happen to notice the noxious red-dye tinted cinnamon scented pinecones sold from bins outside grocery stores? One wiff of those perfumed obscenities and I've the beginnings of a very nasty headache.

Posted by: 13times at November 07, 2021 11:24 AM (9rMWy)

337 There are videos of people eating dead horses in the streets after WWI and Wilson's draconian rules for Germany. At some points, Germans were boiling leather and eating it.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 07, 2021 11:12 AM (VWp7G)

Well, duh. They just lost a war that took most of the German economy with it. The same thing happened after WWII.

Plus, it was the Brits and France that insisted on the draconian measures against Germany. Wilson (as much as I hate him) was against draining Germany's economy and welfare.

Posted by: My name is Jose Jimanez at November 07, 2021 11:25 AM (Fs5vw)

338 I dumped off a load of books in Russian last week. I don't know what Goodwill is going to do with them, unless there's a vast Russian population in downtown Kenosha. Seems unlikely.

Posted by: grammie winger at November 07, 2021 11:18 AM (45fpk)

You may be surprised...lots of Russians down here in Upstate SC.

Posted by: BignJames at November 07, 2021 11:26 AM (AwYPR)

339 My wife (the lovely and accomplished Annalucia)

Posted by: Nemo at November 07, 2021 11:17 AM (S6ArX)
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Indeed, her contribution to Long Live Death was essential. Very much appreciated!

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 07, 2021 11:26 AM (llXky)

340 My favorite Andre Norton is "2250 AD" Found that as a kid and that's what started my love of Sci Fi.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 07, 2021 11:26 AM (evAgx)

341 Friday, by Robert A. Heinlein. Unread because I bounced at Time Enough For Love. I did not like that book, and filed Heinlein with Brain-Eaters Disease. I hold all his subsequent books, but had only read Job A Comedy of Justice. Which was OK.
Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at November 07, 2021

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TEfL is a grand novel, filled with adventure and advice for living with other people. Yes, it rambles some, RAH tended to do that later in his career, but not as much as The Number of the Beast --, which really sprawls all over the place. In 1980, when that came out, I and a lot of my friends thought that Heinlein had gone senile. Turned out it was a benign brain tumor, he had it excised, and he came roaring back with Friday as well as Job. Both are great stuff.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 07, 2021 11:26 AM (c6xtn)

342 Plus, it was the Brits and France that insisted on the draconian measures against Germany. Wilson (as much as I hate him) was against draining Germany's economy and welfare.

Posted by: My name is Jose Jimanez at November 07, 2021 11:25 AM (Fs5vw)

Posted by: OrangeEnt at November 07, 2021 11:26 AM (7bRMQ)

343 Sooo anyway.

Those harsh conditions seems to be good enough reason to start fighting again. They weren't militarily beaten, and they could have asked the Soviets to provide troops now that the Eastern Front was closed. I've read they just quit because the generals wanted to, not because they lost.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at November 07, 2021 11:28 AM (7bRMQ)

344 I almost forgot: I read Kate DiCamillo's "The Beatryce Prophesy." She wrote books like "Because of Winn Dixie" that had lessons tucked in the stories.

Unfortunately, she seems to have switched to aiming at profundity and wrote a adult's book with the trappings of a children's book. I kept finding myself comparing it to the superior monk-orphan-angry child story "The Wanderers" by Elizabeth Coatsworth.

Posted by: NaughtyPine at November 07, 2021 11:29 AM (/+bwe)

345 Friday, by Robert A. Heinlein. Unread because I bounced at Time Enough For Love. I did not like that book, and filed Heinlein with Brain-Eaters Disease. I hold all his subsequent books, but had only read Job A Comedy of Justice. Which was OK.
Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at November 07, 2021 10:07 AM

I thought Friday was an awesome book, but then I thought TEFL was pretty good and didn't really like Job so your mileage will probably vary.

Posted by: Cybersmythe at November 07, 2021 11:29 AM (ezpv1)

346 Just ordered the Chronicles of Narnia for Thing 1. Now to find a ski helmet that fits tiny people.

Posted by: grammie winger at November 07, 2021 11:29 AM (45fpk)

347 Stuxnet: Why you don't connect your toaster to the Internet. Or your garage door.

Posted by: klaftern at November 07, 2021 11:30 AM (taPSh)

348 >>>Then he figured he could bully them into voting for it, and instead gave himself a stroke.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author

And that's when Edith took over.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 07, 2021 11:30 AM (VWp7G)

349 I dumped off a load of books in Russian last week....

Posted by: grammie winger at November 07, 2021 11:18 AM (45fpk)

won't help....

Posted by: Todd from eFBeeEye at November 07, 2021 11:31 AM (V13WU)

350 Those harsh conditions seems to be good enough reason to start fighting again. They weren't militarily beaten, and they could have asked the Soviets to provide troops now that the Eastern Front was closed. I've read they just quit because the generals wanted to, not because they lost.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at November 07, 2021 11:28 AM (7bRMQ)
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They weren't beaten but it was only a matter of time. Millions of fresh US troops were on the way and their army was in retreat.

The generals feared the Bolshevik contagion would spread to Germany and above all needed to keep the Army intact. The Allies understood this, so that's why they agreed to less than complete surrender.

By 1919 conditions had changed and the Germans had zero leverage. That's where the 'betrayal' narrative set in.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 07, 2021 11:31 AM (llXky)

351 *waves to Todd*

Posted by: grammie winger at November 07, 2021 11:32 AM (45fpk)

352 And that's when Edith took over.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 07, 2021 11:30 AM (VWp7G)
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Don't you mean "Doctor" Edith?

Or am I thinking of someone else?

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 07, 2021 11:32 AM (llXky)

353 grammie now wonder what Russian books, doubt history

Posted by: Skip at November 07, 2021 11:33 AM (2JoB8)

354 And that's when Edith took over.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 07, 2021 11:30 AM (VWp7G)

Edith Bunker > Edith Wilson

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 07, 2021 11:33 AM (R/m4+)

355 an old 14th-century Carmelite convent

with a creamy nougat center.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at November 07, 2021 11:34 AM (Ndje9)

356 Maybe grammie's a Russian spy.

Maybe her bowtie is really a camera

Posted by: artemis at November 07, 2021 11:34 AM (AwPyG)

357 Skip - Rev kept one book that's got a lot of pictures in it. Mostly grand buildings, memorials and such. Also a lot of propaganda art and posters.

Posted by: grammie winger at November 07, 2021 11:35 AM (45fpk)

358 @355

There's a Carmelite convent in Tucson. Cloistered nuns, who pray around the clock.

Posted by: artemis at November 07, 2021 11:35 AM (AwPyG)

359 By 1919 conditions had changed and the Germans had zero leverage. That's where the 'betrayal' narrative set in.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 07, 2021 11:31 AM (llXky)

Thanks for the info. I hadn't really read too much about it before. Just the little bit I referenced.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at November 07, 2021 11:35 AM (7bRMQ)

360 chiang had soviet influences, but by 1926, at the latest, he had made an enemy of mao, hence the purge in shanghai, then the long march,

Posted by: alien covenant was much worse at November 07, 2021 11:38 AM (hMlTh)

361 251 You know what book I really, really hated? That Fellowship of the Ya-Ya Sisterhood or whatever it was called. Three bratty, privileged girls in a Southern town who are so much more enlightened than their neighbors. A woman in the book, who is supposed to be admirable, yells at her husband for letting their son go off to fight the Nazis and get killed. Millions died in the war, but somehow it's the dad's fault that this kid got killed. Plus, the book is filled with swipes at Republicans. I disliked all the characters who were supposed to be so lovable.
Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V at November 07, 2021 10:48 AM (HabA/)

Yep. Plus, Catholics are awful.

Posted by: sal at November 07, 2021 11:38 AM (bJKUl)

362 I don't want to cast any aspersions on the fine Morons here, but look what's missing from this story.
https://tinyurl.com/42ke8fhz

Posted by: Downcast at November 07, 2021 11:39 AM (JjMWb)

363 360 chiang had soviet influences, but by 1926, at the latest, he had made an enemy of mao, hence the purge in shanghai, then the long march,
Posted by: alien covenant was much worse at November 07, 2021 11:38 AM (hMlTh)

Chiang was also influenced by a shrew of a wife. Don't forget the rest of the story.

Posted by: My name is Jose Jimanez at November 07, 2021 11:40 AM (Fs5vw)

364 362 I don't want to cast any aspersions on the fine Morons here, but look what's missing from this story.
https://tinyurl.com/42ke8fhz
Posted by: Downcast at November 07, 2021 11:39 AM (JjMWb)

*gulps*

Posted by: My name is Jose Jimanez at November 07, 2021 11:42 AM (Fs5vw)

365 I don't want to cast any aspersions on the fine Morons here, but look what's missing from this story.
https://tinyurl.com/42ke8fhz

Posted by: Downcast at November 07, 2021 11:39 AM (JjMWb)

Cheese curds?

Posted by: grammie winger at November 07, 2021 11:42 AM (45fpk)

366 Good morning, OM. Hello to the Horde!

Posted by: Doof at November 07, 2021 11:42 AM (mZUr4)

367 Hi Doof

Posted by: grammie winger at November 07, 2021 11:43 AM (45fpk)

368 Chiang was also influenced by a shrew of a wife. Don't forget the rest of the story.
Posted by: My name is Jose Jimanez at November 07, 2021 11:40 AM (Fs5vw)

The hell you say!

Posted by: Billy Jeff and Barky Esq at November 07, 2021 11:43 AM (cknjq)

369 We have Russians, Ukranians and other Eastern Europeans in the area.

I have barely dipped into them but got two books on the Icelandic sagas (The Poetic Edda and The Saga of the Volsungs). Translation is by Jackson Crawford, who has a You Tube channel on learning old English and related languages. Looks good so far.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at November 07, 2021 11:44 AM (YynYJ)

370 Does Dame Helen Mirren ever age?

She had an affair with Geo. Washington's father in the cherry tree.

George's mother is the one who REALLY chopped it down.

They don't put that in the history books.

Posted by: JT at November 07, 2021 11:44 AM (arJlL)

371 >>>Don't you mean "Doctor" Edith?

Or am I thinking of someone else?
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd

Doctor FJB is arguably worse than Edith. Or at least on an even keel with Edie.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 07, 2021 11:44 AM (bkUtD)

372 Hi Doof
Posted by: grammie winger

(sniffs armpits...shrugs...)

Posted by: JT at November 07, 2021 11:46 AM (arJlL)

373 I don't want to cast any aspersions on the fine Morons here, but look what's missing from this story.
https://tinyurl.com/42ke8fhz

Posted by: Downcast at November 07, 2021 11:39 AM (JjMWb)

Hmmm, I see the usual anti-white rhetoric, the usual "dats coo!" responses.... Wait!!!! Where are the guns!!!!!

Posted by: OrangeEnt at November 07, 2021 11:46 AM (7bRMQ)

374 Read 'Left to Tell' by Imacculee Illibagiza.

Nothing like spending 90 days in a 3 x 6 bathroom with 6 other people for 90 days while your Rwandan neighbors try to find you and have machete fun.

Figured i read this one to see what the libs have up thier sleeve. Yeah, pretty similar playbook.

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at November 07, 2021 11:46 AM (TRGyz)

375 There's a Carmelite convent in Tucson. Cloistered nuns, who pray around the clock.

Posted by: artemis at November 07, 2021 11:35 AM (AwPyG)

The one in Oak Cliff let the TLM community use their chapel for nearly 20 years, a debt we can never repay.
Carmelite spirituality is not for the faint-hearted.

Posted by: sal at November 07, 2021 11:47 AM (bJKUl)

376 340 ... "My favorite Andre Norton is "2250 AD" Found that as a kid and that's what started my love of Sci Fi."

Tome Servo,
Thanks. It will go on my list for the next visit to the used book store. Sounds like my reaction to Heinlein's "The Rolling Stones". Read that in second grade and it really sparked my interest in Heinlein and other classic sci fi books, especially space operas like The Lensman and Skylark series.

Posted by: JTB at November 07, 2021 11:47 AM (7EjX1)

377 Hi Doof
Posted by: grammie winger

(sniffs armpits...shrugs...)
Posted by: JT at November 07, 2021 11:46 AM (arJlL)

Hi grammie! You too, JT!

Posted by: Doof at November 07, 2021 11:48 AM (mZUr4)

378 375 There's a Carmelite convent in Tucson. Cloistered nuns, who pray around the clock.

Posted by: artemis at November 07, 2021 11:35 AM (AwPyG)

I thought they usually prayed at the foot of a cross. Learn something new every day around here.

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw at November 07, 2021 11:49 AM (II3Gr)

379 Hiya doof !

Posted by: JT at November 07, 2021 11:50 AM (arJlL)

380 don't want to cast any aspersions on the fine Morons here, but look what's missing from this story.
https://tinyurl.com/42ke8fhz

Posted by: Downcast at November 07, 2021 11:39 AM (JjMWb)

Leftist comments as usual are psychotic.

Posted by: Just a side note at November 07, 2021 11:50 AM (2DOZq)

381 Insomniac - Outlaw

So, does crime pay ?

Posted by: JT at November 07, 2021 11:50 AM (arJlL)

382 381 Insomniac - Outlaw

So, does crime pay ?
Posted by: JT at November 07, 2021 11:50 AM (arJlL)

Apparently. Just ask the Bidens.

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw at November 07, 2021 11:51 AM (II3Gr)

383 Boker Tov Patriots

Wedding over

Sunday Morning Breakfast over

I'm beat

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 07, 2021 11:51 AM (Irn0L)

384 Oregon--

IIRC, Ebay takes their fees out of the item's cost MINUS the shipping. So it behooves sellers to jack up the shipping. That more don't do it suggests to me that Ebay does check for it, but doesn't bother with the one-offs.

Posted by: moviegique at November 07, 2021 11:51 AM (asXVI)

385 So, does crime pay ?
Posted by: JT at November 07, 2021 11:50 AM (arJlL)

Well, it pays a little.

- Johnny Dangerously

Posted by: Doof at November 07, 2021 11:52 AM (mZUr4)

386 NGU, you finally got married? Congratulations!

Posted by: bluebell at November 07, 2021 11:52 AM (wyw4S)

387 There's a Carmelite convent in Tucson. Cloistered nuns, who pray around the clock.

Posted by: artemis at November 07, 2021 11:35 AM (AwPyG)

I thought they usually prayed at the foot of a cross. Learn something new every day around here.
Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw

They use the Bill Haley liturgy.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 07, 2021 11:52 AM (d9FiS)

388 374 Read 'Left to Tell' by Imacculee Illibagiza.

Nothing like spending 90 days in a 3 x 6 bathroom with 6 other people for 90 days while your Rwandan neighbors try to find you and have machete fun.

Figured i read this one to see what the libs have up thier sleeve. Yeah, pretty similar playbook.
Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at November 07, 2021 11:46 AM (TRGyz)

Watched a documentary about that. The government is forcing the Hutus and tutsis to be nice to each other. The even have a government handbook that tells them how to converse.

But the old murderous prejudices? They be there. Yes. It'll happen again.

Posted by: My name is Jose Jimanez at November 07, 2021 11:53 AM (Fs5vw)

389 Nice Day at Annapolis

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 07, 2021 11:53 AM (Irn0L)

390 All the hip sk8terboyz are doing ollies in three piece suits and wingtips now.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 07, 2021 09:09 AM (Dc2NZ)

Years ago, a friend of mine coined the term "skateboard pukes".

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 07, 2021 11:53 AM (P3gRi)

391 NGU, you finally got married? Congratulations!
Posted by: bluebell

I thought his daughter got married....

Posted by: JT at November 07, 2021 11:54 AM (arJlL)

392 Oops. Major copy/paste error.

Posted by: My name is Jose Jimanez at November 07, 2021 11:54 AM (Fs5vw)

393 A really good fictional treatment of the last years of german empire and the move to and through the Weimar is Manning Coles' Drink to Yesterday, and A Toast to Tomorrow.

Very slanted from the British perspective, especially the rise of the Nazis, but ground level

They are Spy novels from the 30's and 40's

I encourage everyone to read them

Posted by: Kindltot at November 07, 2021 11:54 AM (P9T5R)

394 I thought his daughter got married....
Posted by: JT at November 07, 2021 11:54 AM (arJlL)
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I guess a joke is not really funny if you have to explain it . . .

Posted by: bluebell at November 07, 2021 11:55 AM (wyw4S)

395 Nevemind.

Posted by: My name is Jose Jimanez at November 07, 2021 11:55 AM (Fs5vw)

396 I guess a joke is not really funny if you have to explain it . . .
Posted by: bluebell

sorry

Posted by: JT at November 07, 2021 11:56 AM (arJlL)

397 394 I thought his daughter got married....
Posted by: JT at November 07, 2021 11:54 AM (arJlL)
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I guess a joke is not really funny if you have to explain it . . .
Posted by: bluebell at November 07, 2021 11:55 AM (wyw4S)

THAT'S NOT ALWAYS TRUE

Posted by: BEN ROETHLISBERGER at November 07, 2021 11:56 AM (II3Gr)

398

Posted by: bluebell at November 07, 2021 11:56 AM (wyw4S)

399 Hey Doof-o!

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at November 07, 2021 11:57 AM (sRprf)

400 Nevemind.

Posted by: My name is Jose Jimanez at November 07, 2021 11:55 AM (Fs5vw)

Now I gots to know!

I bollixed up a response to you earlier about Germany and WWI. That's not it, is it?

Posted by: OrangeEnt at November 07, 2021 11:57 AM (7bRMQ)

401 don't want to cast any aspersions on the fine Morons here, but look what's missing from this story.
https://tinyurl.com/42ke8fhz

Posted by: Downcast at November 07, 2021 11:39 AM (JjMWb)

Looks like they've got everything covered...climate change?

Posted by: BignJames at November 07, 2021 11:57 AM (AwYPR)

402 I have a similar thing with my husband's boat books. He collected a lot of the older ones and wanted them to go to the Maritime Museum in Astoria. But the guys he used to hang out with are starting a library at the Toledo boathouse (Toldeo, OR). So the plan is to take them there, along with his wood lathe. Just gotta come up with a time when someone can meet me and my stepson there.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at November 07, 2021 11:57 AM (YynYJ)

403 Second that recommendation for Drink to Yesterday and Toast to Tomorrow.

I do remember one friend pointing out a huge problem with the first book -- from a marketing and fandom perspective: it starts with the death of a character, then makes the reader fall in love with him.

Posted by: Trimegistus at November 07, 2021 11:58 AM (QZxDR)

404 Hey Doof-o!
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional

Is he running for mayor ?

Posted by: JT at November 07, 2021 11:58 AM (arJlL)

405 Looks like they've got everything covered...climate change?

Posted by: BignJames at November 07, 2021 11:57 AM (AwYPR)

The guns are missing from the canoe....

Posted by: OrangeEnt at November 07, 2021 11:58 AM (7bRMQ)

406 384 Oregon--

IIRC, Ebay takes their fees out of the item's cost MINUS the shipping. So it behooves sellers to jack up the shipping. That more don't do it suggests to me that Ebay does check for it, but doesn't bother with the one-offs.
Posted by: moviegique at November 07, 2021 11:51 AM (asXVI)

OK fine.

Grumble, grumble...

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at November 07, 2021 11:59 AM (sRprf)

407 Any suggestions for a few [Norton] titles to start?

Huron of the Horn
Star Born
Eye of the Monster
Perilous Dreams

I thoroughly enjoyed all of those.

I think Star Born is available under another title, too. It is especially interesting reading today for reasons that would be a spoiler.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at November 07, 2021 11:59 AM (CnogD)

408
Now I gots to know!

I bollixed up a response to you earlier about Germany and WWI. That's not it, is it?
Posted by: OrangeEnt at November 07, 2021 11:57 AM (7bRMQ)

No. I was just transported into another thread dimension.

Posted by: My name is Jose Jimanez at November 07, 2021 12:00 PM (Fs5vw)

409 Don't leave out France's desire for revenge against Germany at
Versailles for losing the Franco-Prussian war forty some years earlier.

Posted by: Beartooth at November 07, 2021 12:00 PM (d8xPm)

410 Nood, um, bluebell!

Posted by: Weasel at November 07, 2021 12:01 PM (0IeYL)

411 woke milleys military: Navy Launches Ship Named after Gay Rights Leader

Meanwhile: China Builds Hypersonic Missiles, Seeks more Nukes

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 07, 2021 12:01 PM (Irn0L)

412 Well this is interesting.
Apparently Julie Andrew's will no longer wear or endorse cheap lipstick. It crumbles easily and makes her breath smell bad. She said "The super color fragile lipstick gives me halitosis."

Posted by: Diogenes at November 07, 2021 12:02 PM (axyOa)

413 There be a homeschooling NOOD!

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at November 07, 2021 12:02 PM (zoGah)

414 Since centrifugal is the word of the day, time to point out that there is, in fact, no such thing as Centrifugal Force - it's a myth to explain something that is counterintuitive. What we see is the effects of inertia in the presence of centripetal acceleration.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 07, 2021 09:24 AM

Not true. The forces on a system depend on the reference frame in which the forces are measured. If your reference frame is the rotating part of the system, you have a force that you can't account for otherwise, and that is the centrifugal force. Since it is often convenient to use that reference frame, everybody knows what "centrifugal force is."

Posted by: Cybersmythe at November 07, 2021 12:02 PM (ezpv1)

415 Don't Worry. Be Happy.

Top Biden Advisor 'Absolutely' Does Not Agree That Inflation And Worker Shortages Are A Problem

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 07, 2021 12:02 PM (d9FiS)

416 407
Many thanks for the Andre Norton suggestions. My used book store list just got longer.

Posted by: JTB at November 07, 2021 12:07 PM (7EjX1)

417 Must. Read. More. Fiction.

Geeze, I've just been loading myself down with biographies, technically oriented material, and contemporary socio-political stuff to the extent that I am surprised when I find that I am enjoying some escapist bit of fiction. The book reviews above are a reminder that a book can be simply enjoyed.

Per above, I'm still working on P.D. James 'Death in Holy Orders', which is a Dalgliesh ...'mystery', I suppose. I find myself looking forward to the bedtime reading as a relief from the daily stress.

In the background, I'm working on 'Bell: Alexander Graham Bell and the Conquest of Solitude', Robert Bruce. It's a fine biography of Bell, who was a far more complex person than most would know, and from an accomplished family. Bruce draws very heavily on Bell's own diaries concerning both his technical work and his personal life. He was an intense and interesting man.

Received a copy of the Moron-recommended 'The New Dealer's War'.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 07, 2021 12:11 PM (vOGqy)

418 My used book store list just got longer.
Posted by: JTB
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In my case, I regard it as an 'addiction'.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 07, 2021 12:13 PM (vOGqy)

419 moviegique and OregonMuse....

Ebay takes their cut from the the price of the item plus shipping. This started because of the sellers who priced their items cheap but then boosted you on the shipping cost.

In fact, ebay even charges you a commission on the state TAX they collect. That you never see or touch or collect.

Posted by: Peter (My friends call me Pete) Zah at November 07, 2021 12:19 PM (a4vvV)

420 There's a Carmelite convent in Tucson. Cloistered nuns, who pray around the clock.

Posted by: artemis at November 07, 2021 11:35 AM (AwPyG)

I thought they usually prayed at the foot of a cross. Learn something new every day around here.
Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw

They use the Bill Haley liturgy.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks
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A. This is why I hang out at this place
B. Were Muldoon here, he could do something with that

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 07, 2021 12:20 PM (AytXr)

421 Re: Picture - Reading the Classics

I am sure there are some of you who are aroused by a picture of an attractive woman in a tartan blouse, laying on a pile of books and reading Chaucer, specifically the Miller's Tale, flashing what my dad would call "bedroom eyes."

You should be ashamed on the Lord's Day. Tut-tut.

Posted by: Mr. Barky at November 07, 2021 12:34 PM (7NN6b)

422 To JTB @288, I was and am very fond of Andre Norton's work. Her books were a big part of what got me hooked on science fiction as a kid. A few titles I would especially recommend are:

"Catseye"
"Star Rangers" (aka "The Last Planet")
"Star Guard" (where she lifted a big chunk of her plot from Xenophon's "Anabasis")
"Galactic Derelict" (the first sequel to "The Time Traders" mentioned above)

Also, "2250 A.D." mentioned above is also published as "Star Man's Son" and "Daybreak 2250 A.D."

Posted by: John F. MacMichael at November 07, 2021 01:58 PM (y/8TR)

423 Just finished Cassandra Peterson, Cruelly yours Elvira memories of the mistress of the dark. Funny and sad. Talk about a weird and twisted life. I ended up buying a few Elvira t-shirts from her web site to throw her a few bucks.

Posted by: Paladin at November 07, 2021 02:54 PM (1tRiq)

424 Yeah, for that price you can ship it to India. Literally.

There was a time-perhaps 20 years ago-when I bought lots of books from India. Lots of bookshops and cheapo printers that reprinted very cheap copies of period books by Brit authors about the Raj period-apparently there was an Indian market for Brit histories despite the grudge still held against the Brits by Indians. For example, I bought a copy of Robt Orme's "History of the Military Transactions of the British Nation in Indostan" in three vols for @$20 including shipping from India. The package came wrapped-from inside out-in taped brown paper, then cardboard, then newspaper, then more brown paper and tied with string. Needless to say, it arrived undamaged. The printing was cheap ink on cheaper paper, with the occasional handwritten corrections of typos in text-possibly a used copy, but in very good condition. Nowadays, such books are not much cheaper from India, due mostly to shipping, and most are available for through Internet Archive, Gutenberg or Digital Library of India.

Posted by: Pope John the 20th at November 07, 2021 04:11 PM (Ap+cR)

425 "Daybreak 2250 A.D." is available for free on Internet Archive. I haven't checked, but lots of Norton's stuff is probably available there or Gutenberg.

Posted by: Pope John the 20th at November 07, 2021 04:13 PM (Ap+cR)

426 For an on the spot report on the conquistadors try:
The Discovery and Conquest of Mexico by Bernal Diaz.
Diaz was a conquistador with Cortez and wrote his memoirs before his death, in his 80s, at his estate in Nicaragua.
He gives first hand accounts of the battles and existing culture all the way into Mexico and their dealings with Montezuma.

Posted by: waepnedmann at November 07, 2021 06:41 PM (5Sn7G)

427 Thanks, all, for another great book thread comment section! More for the list!

Posted by: Joe at November 07, 2021 10:33 PM (VbeRV)

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