Conservative Member of Parliament and Brexit Supporter David Amess Stabbed to Death in Church

He had been stabbed last night. He died of his wounds within the past few hours.

If you search for more news, note his name is AMess, not ARNess, as it may appear if you're not looking at the letters too closely

A Conservative Party minister in the U.K. has died after being stabbed during a meeting with his constituents at a church, according to police.
David Amess, 69, was speaking at a Methodist Church Friday when a man entered and stabbed him. Police arrived after 12:05 p.m. local times and arrested a man for the stabbing.
"We are not looking for anyone else in connection with the incident and do not believe there is an ongoing threat to the wider public," Essex police said in a statement, adding that officers had recovered a knife.

If they're not looking for anyone else, that must mean it was a leftist or Islamist who killed him. Those are the only people who Always Act Alone.

Whenever someone on the right breaks a law, it's part of a Wider Conspiracy that Threatens the Very Pillars of Our Civilization.

People on the left are reacting with their typical class, dancing on the graves of a political opponent assassinated by what will almost certainly turn out to be one of their fellow leftists. This politician, for example, who belongs to the "left-center" Welsh nationalist party Plaid Cymru:

If you read about this case in the British press, you'll come across statements that he was killed in a "surgery" and that police will in the future be present at "surgeries."

This unfamiliar (to Americans) use of the word "surgery" is explained by Wikipedia: It means one-on-one meetings with constituents, out in the actual constituency (the region), rather than back in a Parliament office.

A political surgery, constituency surgery, constituency clinic, mobile office or sometimes advice surgery, in British and Irish politics, is a series of one-to-one meetings that a Member of Parliament (MP), Teachta Dála (TD) or other political officeholder may have with their constituents.[1] At a surgery, constituents may raise issues of concern in the same manner that a person may directly consult a general practitioner (GP) in their surgery (a "surgery" being the term for the GP's workplace, an "office" in American parlance). The issues may relate to local issues (street crime, litter, a request for intervention by the representative on behalf of the constituent with local or national government) or to national policy matters.[2] Often the constituent's issue will be followed up by a caseworker or assistant. Surgery meetings are usually confidential and differ from town hall meetings, which are open to many people at the same time.

BREAKING: MP Sir David Amess has died after being stabbed at his constituency office, police say.

Read more: https://t.co/6ILg5zBxZJ pic.twitter.com/eW9J0wglow
— Sky News (@SkyNews) October 15, 2021

All our hearts are full of shock and sadness at the death of Sir David Amess MP.

He was one of the kindest, nicest, most gentle people in politics. pic.twitter.com/SIx6SZ1P3w
— Boris Johnson (@BorisJohnson) October 15, 2021

Posted by: Ace at 01:21 PM

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1 Isn't conservative liberal, and liberal conservative over there?

Posted by: BacktoGA at October 15, 2021 12:21 PM (MPYWI)

2 sponge

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the West with Leone at October 15, 2021 12:21 PM (LvTSG)

3 1 Isn't conservative liberal, and liberal conservative over there?
Posted by: BacktoGA at October 15, 2021 12:21 PM (MPYWI)

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You're thinking of Australia.

British Conservative is still essentially socialism, but slower, but it's more conservative, from the American idiom, than the Labour Party is.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the West with Leone at October 15, 2021 12:22 PM (LvTSG)

4 MOSTLY PEACEFUL STABBING

Posted by: vmom - link to Red's fundraiser at October 15, 2021 12:22 PM (sAa2b)

5 Hola

Posted by: Thanatopsis at October 15, 2021 12:23 PM (P/dps)

6 yeah, knew it. I saw some brit pol had been killed and it's of course leftist violence against a conservative. wog or awfl, TBD

Posted by: Tim Riggins at October 15, 2021 12:23 PM (ZZK0E)

7 What we really need to focus on, however, is preventing the inevitable backlash against our Asian citizens.

Posted by: British Marxist Left at October 15, 2021 12:23 PM (YOIA1)

8 I thought I saw that the attacker was a blessing of diversity....

Posted by: McCool at October 15, 2021 12:24 PM (BqBIh)

9 Don't mess with my science project.

Posted by: Achmed, the clock maker at October 15, 2021 12:24 PM (gmo/4)

10 >>>1 Isn't conservative liberal, and liberal conservative over there?

No. You're thinking of Australia, where "Liberal" means Conservative.

In both countries, the left is Labour.

In england, there's also a Liberal party, or is it the Liberal Democrats now? That party has shrunk quite a bit. They're on the left too.

Posted by: ace at October 15, 2021 12:24 PM (0G13K)

11 That's it from Boris, eh?

We're sad!

Posted by: Wow at October 15, 2021 12:25 PM (K0DWI)

12 Our violence is justified in reaction to your theoretical, fabricated violence.
-the Left.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 15, 2021 12:25 PM (csEWM)

13 That kinda surgery, I won't have.

Posted by: Emil Blatz at October 15, 2021 12:25 PM (bHTQJ)

14 so another covid death

Posted by: banana Dream at October 15, 2021 12:25 PM (+Z1Gj)

15 Bring me ... a surgery!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 15, 2021 12:25 PM (63Dwl)

16 3
British Conservative is still essentially socialism, but slower...
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the West with Leone at October 15, 2021 12:22 PM

Sounds dreamy!

Posted by: GOPe at October 15, 2021 12:25 PM (YOIA1)

17 Horrible!

Posted by: Lizzy at October 15, 2021 12:25 PM (bDqIh)

18 The left reaction is always " He had it coming"

Posted by: steevy at October 15, 2021 12:25 PM (CYnTg)

19 'Surgery' is an odd term I did not know of the usage of. That is weird.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 15, 2021 12:26 PM (csEWM)

20 MOAR common-sense knife control!!

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at October 15, 2021 12:26 PM (dfRN6)

21 Don't you just love that the Left has a ready explanation, excuse or accommodation for the assassin?

Posted by: casual observer 1015 at October 15, 2021 12:26 PM (aAP3z)

22

One of his constituents must have done it!

A WHITE MALE DID IT!

Of course.

Posted by: Dr.Rev. Senator Your Highness E Buzz Miller, Esq PhD MA MS at October 15, 2021 12:26 PM (4WPW/)

23 "A man." Well you know he wasn't a deacon at the local church, then. If so, that fact would be plastered into the copy. "White religious fanatic and church leader."

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 15, 2021 12:26 PM (DU+/6)

24 18 The left reaction is always " He had it coming"
Posted by: steevy at October 15, 2021 12:25 PM (CYnTg)

We all have it coming.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 15, 2021 12:26 PM (csEWM)

25 That is a strange term I agree. So he met with a powerful or influential constituent and was murdered with a knife.

How is that possible? They banned knives.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 15, 2021 12:26 PM (KZzsI)

26 THAT'S not a knife...

Posted by: Crocodile Dundee at October 15, 2021 12:26 PM (aZ3wQ)

27 Looks like the British cops are doing what they do best. Standing around doing nothing.

Posted by: Shooter McGavin at October 15, 2021 12:27 PM (u+I16)

28 Wow, Britain is amess.

Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at October 15, 2021 12:27 PM (OssQ4)

29 'Surgery' is an odd term I did not know of the usage of. That is weird.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 15, 2021 12:26 PM (csEWM)

Me neither, and I watch a lot of British TV.

Posted by: Jordan61 at October 15, 2021 12:27 PM (Ez6QX)

30 It's interesting that the story on Daily Mail about this kept mentioning when Jo Cox was killed. And they mentioned she was killed by a right wing fanatic, at least four times. Wonder if this is a "left wing fanatic" or a member of the "religion of peace"

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at October 15, 2021 12:27 PM (5HBd1)

31 The left reaction is always " He had it coming"

Posted by: steevy at October 15, 2021 12:25 PM (CYnTg)

BAMN.

Posted by: flounder at October 15, 2021 12:27 PM (Jp/Er)

32 >>>Me neither, and I watch a lot of British TV.

i learned "identity parade" from British TV, which is their term for a police line-up.

Posted by: ace at October 15, 2021 12:27 PM (0G13K)

33 Bloody Wogs

Posted by: Col. Sir David Le Roy Fitzhugh, KCB, (ret) at October 15, 2021 12:27 PM (gmo/4)

34 Don't you just love that the Left has a ready explanation, excuse or accommodation for the assassin?

Any time the target is one of their hated unpersons, yeah.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 15, 2021 12:28 PM (KZzsI)

35 I kind of prefer the Arness spelling.

Posted by: Matt Dillon at October 15, 2021 12:28 PM (a3Q+t)

36 It was a Somali.

Posted by: Hedley Lamarr at October 15, 2021 12:28 PM (tDAwn)

37 Hmm identity parade makes sense but seems kind of festive for that proceeding...

Posted by: steevy at October 15, 2021 12:28 PM (CYnTg)

38 It wasn't covid....but it was covid related!

Posted by: torabora at October 15, 2021 12:28 PM (/DTtA)

39 The whole world is a giant mess. Something has got to give. It won't be pretty.

Posted by: Infidel on the phone at October 15, 2021 12:28 PM (2EZBQ)

40 i learned "identity parade" from British TV, which is their term for a police line-up.

Posted by: ace at October 15, 2021 12:27 PM (0G13K)

Don't we have nothing but identity parades non stop in the current era?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 15, 2021 12:28 PM (csEWM)

41 36 It was a Somali.
Posted by: Hedley Lamarr at October 15, 2021 12:28 PM (tDAwn)

========

Diversity is our strength.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the West with Leone at October 15, 2021 12:29 PM (LvTSG)

42 Boris the clown is really laughing inside.

Posted by: Capital Eff at October 15, 2021 12:29 PM (2xGy+)

43 "We are not looking for anyone else, IYKWIMAITTYD."

Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at October 15, 2021 12:29 PM (OssQ4)

44 >>i learned "identity parade" from British TV, which is their term for a police line-up.

They are not a serious people.

Posted by: garrett at October 15, 2021 12:29 PM (VHLkx)

45 Somehow, Count Dankula, Tommy Robinson, Sargon of Akkad and Paul Joseph Watson's rhetoric is to blame!

Posted by: British Tyrants at October 15, 2021 12:29 PM (YOIA1)

46 39 The whole world is a giant mess. Something has got to give. It won't be pretty.
Posted by: Infidel on the phone at October 15, 2021 12:28 PM (2EZBQ)

If we are lucky.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 15, 2021 12:29 PM (csEWM)

47 It's interesting that the story on Daily Mail about this kept mentioning when Jo Cox was killed. And they mentioned she was killed by a right wing fanatic, at least four times. Wonder if this is a "left wing fanatic" or a member of the "religion of peace"
Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at October 15, 2021 12:27 PM (5HBd1)

memory holing of aloha snackbar?

Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at October 15, 2021 12:30 PM (8D42x)

48
We often see the word "insult" used in seemingly odd context, too.

For instance, a "wound" is described as an insult.
Also, damage to one's organs, such as scarring, will be described as an "insult."

Even in a mechanical context, the word
"insult" will describe the damaged or defective spot on a component.

Posted by: S'oothsay'er at October 15, 2021 12:30 PM (jvNDd)

49 24 We all have it coming.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 15, 2021 12:26 PM (csEWM)

*fistbump*

Posted by: William Munny at October 15, 2021 12:30 PM (DTX3h)

50 It was a Somali.
Posted by: Hedley Lamarr

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stop sending refugees to first world countries. Bush (first or second) should've resisted this bullshit and insisted on sending fugees to similar countries. From Somalia to Kenya or somethign.

Posted by: Tim Riggins at October 15, 2021 12:30 PM (ZZK0E)

51 "We are not looking for anyone else, wink wink, nudge nudge, say no more."

Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at October 15, 2021 12:30 PM (OssQ4)

52 Looks like the British cops are doing what they do best. Standing around doing nothing.
Posted by: Shooter McGavin at October 15, 2021 12:27 PM (u+I16)

Actually they are pretty good a tracking down and arresting some grandma that made a tranny feel sad.

Posted by: Hedley Lamarr at October 15, 2021 12:31 PM (tDAwn)

53 I figured it was like what happened with Van Gogh's grandson.

Posted by: Tim Riggins at October 15, 2021 12:31 PM (ZZK0E)

54 >>>For instance, a "wound" is described as an insult.
Also, damage to one's organs, such as scarring, will be described as an "insult."

Yes that's an interesting usage.

Posted by: ace at October 15, 2021 12:31 PM (0G13K)

55 Elected Surgery.

Posted by: davidt at October 15, 2021 12:31 PM (AouHU)

56 >>> The whole world is a giant mess. Something has got to give. It won't be pretty.
Posted by: Infidel on the phone at October 15, 2021 12:28 PM (2EZBQ)

The world today seems absolutely crackers...

Posted by: banana Dream at October 15, 2021 12:31 PM (+Z1Gj)

57 The Brits outlawed stabbing knives years ago.

Posted by: 13times at October 15, 2021 12:31 PM (JUq7n)

58 The left reaction is always " He had it coming"

Posted by: steevy at October 15, 2021 12:25 PM (CYnTg)

"E add it cummin" I think they say over there.

Posted by: Javems at October 15, 2021 12:31 PM (AmoqO)

59 25
How is that possible? They banned knives.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 15, 2021 12:26 PM

Have they passed a law making killing illegal? That should do the trick.

Posted by: Clueless Leftist at October 15, 2021 12:32 PM (YOIA1)

60 Wonder if this is a "left wing fanatic" or a member of the "religion of peace"
Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at October 15, 2021 12:27 PM (5HBd1)

Both sides. And when it's ROP, endless hectoring about backlash that never happens.

Posted by: flounder at October 15, 2021 12:32 PM (Jp/Er)

61 51 "We are not looking for anyone else, wink wink, nudge nudge, say no more."
Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at October 15, 2021 12:30 PM (OssQ4)

So, everyone start asking for a surgery with the PM, please.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 15, 2021 12:32 PM (csEWM)

62 The whole world is a giant mess. Something has got to give. It won't be pretty.

In the 1400s, it was a plague and a long series of crazy stupid wars that caused people to calm down and rethink what they were doing. And the Reformation.

In Rome, it was a takeover by several waves of barbarians sacking the nation and eventually just letting them take over.

Its never the same, but usually awful for everyone, particularly the non-wealthy, to go through. Even while plague, famine, and war was destroying the poor, the very wealthy always were living it up and having a great old time.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 15, 2021 12:32 PM (KZzsI)

63
she 'ad a nice pair of bristols she did

Posted by: ace at October 15, 2021 12:32 PM (0G13K)

64 Not even in the Civil war did the South succeed in stabbing a member of Parliament to death!

Worse than Pearl Harbor.

Posted by: Washington Historians at October 15, 2021 12:32 PM (XHhHI)

65 Wow, Leftist or Muzzy attack is my guess

Posted by: Skip's Phone at October 15, 2021 12:32 PM (ndEBW)

66 Well, you see, David Amess's policies were violence, so

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at October 15, 2021 12:32 PM (cSs/W)

67 i learned "identity parade" from British TV, which is their term for a police line-up.
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did you know they call an elevator a "boot" and the trunk of a car a "lift"?

Posted by: Tim Riggins at October 15, 2021 12:32 PM (ZZK0E)

68 I'm slightly sad but greatly exhilarated by his death!

Posted by: Arfon Jones at October 15, 2021 12:32 PM (Xrfse)

69 I think he was mad.

Not mad like angry, but mad in the British sense.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 15, 2021 12:32 PM (DU+/6)

70 I thought they outlawed knives.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 15, 2021 12:33 PM (0ryfU)

71 >> The left reaction is always " He had it coming"

Yes. Pair this thread with the last thread and it illustrates a single point:

-- Don;t say mean things or someone will kill the type of person you are disagreeing with!
-- He said mean things so he deserved to be killed for it.

The Left thinks it's a normal reaction to kill someone based on mean speech -- that's why they complain anout the (alleged) triggering speech and not the violence.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 15, 2021 12:33 PM (bDqIh)

72 i learned "identity parade" from British TV, which is their term for a police line-up.

They like words that sound cheerful or ironic.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 15, 2021 12:33 PM (KZzsI)

73 Isn't conservative liberal, and liberal conservative over there?
Posted by: BacktoGA at October 15, 2021 12:21 PM (MPYWI)

No, British Conservatism is Berkleyite radicalism with some governing experience, British Liberals think that Trotsky shouldn't have executed so many of his own people so hastily

Posted by: Kindltot at October 15, 2021 12:33 PM (KbLYZ)

74 Well he was scheduled to die of covid...so Covid.
We're all dying of Covid. It's their dirty little secret. Give us a jab to calm us down.

Posted by: torabora at October 15, 2021 12:33 PM (/DTtA)

75 Wth is the deal with English people that don't speak actual English?

Surgery means lying to your constituents faces?

Umm

Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at October 15, 2021 12:34 PM (VLjz7)

76 We all have it coming.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 15, 2021 12:26 PM (csEWM)
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And another thing...

Posted by: Judas Priest at October 15, 2021 12:34 PM (XHhHI)

77 69 I think he was mad.

Not mad like angry, but mad in the British sense.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 15, 2021 12:32 PM (DU+/6)

WAS HE MAD?!

Posted by: Michael Caine at October 15, 2021 12:34 PM (csEWM)

78 I was going to say "Are they going to classify this as another 'Suicide by Police'?", but then I remembered how neutered the cops are over there.

Posted by: Flyguy at October 15, 2021 12:34 PM (3sOO0)

79 And of course they intend it to chill any right wing speech. While the left can do as they please.

Posted by: steevy at October 15, 2021 12:34 PM (CYnTg)

80 >> "identity parade"

*Sings*

'72 Muslim Virgins led the big parade!'

Posted by: garrett at October 15, 2021 12:34 PM (VHLkx)

81 What do you expect in the climate of hate encouraged by Trump?

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 15, 2021 12:34 PM (0ryfU)

82 Keep a list of grave dancers.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at October 15, 2021 12:34 PM (iYH2B)

83 72 i learned "identity parade" from British TV, which is their term for a police line-up.

They like words that sound cheerful or ironic.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 15, 2021 12:33 PM (KZzsI)

=========

It could be worse.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the West with Leone at October 15, 2021 12:35 PM (LvTSG)

84 From the Daily Mail link:

Councillor John Lamb, who was at the scene where Conservative MP Sir David Amess was stabbed, described him as an 'amicable' family man.
[...]
'He's always trying to help people and especially refugees he's tried to help. He's a very amicable person and he does stick by his guns, he says what he believes and he sticks by it.'

I wonder if the mysterious stabber with the unknown motive is a refugee?

Posted by: No Name Today at October 15, 2021 12:35 PM (vlXMQ)

85 Anyone know how to get to the Daily Mail without disabling my adblocker? They're always johnny on the spot when something happens, in the UK or here. They must have a lot of stringers on their payroll that they report on things immediately.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at October 15, 2021 12:35 PM (2NHgQ)

86 Arfon Jones is a fag!

Posted by: Jeff Spicoli at October 15, 2021 12:35 PM (4I/2K)

87 The loneliest people in England are the British Libertarians. There are about three of them, and always wear Mackintoshes, all the time, because it is considered proper to spit on them

Posted by: Kindltot at October 15, 2021 12:35 PM (KbLYZ)

88 50
stop sending refugees to first world countries. Bush (first or second) should've resisted this bullshit and insisted on sending fugees to similar countries. From Somalia to Kenya or somethign.
Posted by: Tim Riggins at October 15, 2021 12:30 PM

That's not who we are, spark of humanity, I need cheap yardwork, Social Security fiscal time bomb, yadda yadda...

Posted by: Uniparty Elites since Reagan at October 15, 2021 12:35 PM (YOIA1)

89 Posted by: Lizzy at October 15, 2021 12:33 PM (bDqIh)

Good juxtaposition.

Posted by: flounder at October 15, 2021 12:35 PM (Jp/Er)

90 I sure hastily whacked them.

Posted by: Pol Pot at October 15, 2021 12:35 PM (/DTtA)

91 And of course they intend it to chill any right wing speech. While the left can do as they please.

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one of the glories of being a conservative is that you can vanguish the opposing liberal party, as in 2017 or in the UK right now, and they still end up running everything.

Posted by: Tim Riggins at October 15, 2021 12:35 PM (ZZK0E)

92
Was the assassin masked? He might be a threat to people otherwise!

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 15, 2021 12:35 PM (74o/v)

93 I may be wearing my cynical American biases on my sleeve, but I could see Arfon Jones's comment supporting the Islamic terrorist theory....after all, what else else could drive a Person of Peace, to such violence other than Amess irredeemable act of "sowing hate."

Posted by: Simple Stevo at October 15, 2021 12:35 PM (SOV+T)

94 Looks like the British cops are doing what they do best. Standing around doing nothing.

The British cops don't stand around doing nothing, sometimes they vigorously blow whistles. Nothing stops crime like a Bobbie blowing a whistle, well except for almost any other thing a police officer could do.

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at October 15, 2021 12:35 PM (TPKPX)

95 He needed stabbin', yer honor.

Posted by: Knife guy at October 15, 2021 12:36 PM (aZ3wQ)

96 36 It was a Somali.
Posted by: Hedley Lamarr at October 15, 2021 12:28 PM (tDAwn)
........

So. Rocket surgery.

Posted by: wth at October 15, 2021 12:36 PM (v0R5T)

97 That's not who we are, spark of humanity, I need cheap yardwork, Social Security fiscal time bomb, yadda yadda...

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one of the things I suspect about brining in a complete new populace who have no connection to boomers, or indeed our culture, religion, and values, is that they're going to look at the coming social security time bomb and say "nah, mate, we're not paying"

Posted by: Tim Riggins at October 15, 2021 12:36 PM (ZZK0E)

98 What do you expect in the climate of hate encouraged by Trump?

Truth to power! *hic* Is that right? *hic* Stay unstabbed.

Posted by: Suburban Wine Moms at October 15, 2021 12:37 PM (Xrfse)

99 Somewhere there is a video of a guy with a knife holding off 5 or 6 UK cops.
He gets away.

Posted by: casual observer 1015 at October 15, 2021 12:37 PM (aAP3z)

100
Well, I suppose it was a sort of surgery, in our sense of the word. An abrupt and intense and unexpected surgery by an amateur.

Posted by: The Rt. Rev. Yudhishthira's Dice at October 15, 2021 12:37 PM (cTqLg)

101 I wonder if the mysterious stabber with the unknown motive is a refugee?

Seems probable. Like Chris Kyle being killed by a troubled vet he was trying to help transition into society.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 15, 2021 12:37 PM (KZzsI)

102 85 Anyone know how to get to the Daily Mail without disabling my adblocker? They're always johnny on the spot when something happens, in the UK or here. They must have a lot of stringers on their payroll that they report on things immediately.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at October 15, 2021 12:35 PM (2NHgQ)

++++

I use uBlock Origin without a problem at the Daily Mail.

Posted by: No Name Today at October 15, 2021 12:37 PM (vlXMQ)

103 Former Treasury Secretary Larry Summers on Wednesday excoriated Federal Reserve policymakers for paying too much attention to social issues rather than a pandemic-induced inflation surge that's triggered wild increases in many consumer prices.

"We have a generation of central bankers who are defining themselves by their 'wokeness,'" Summers said Wednesday while speaking to a virtual conference organized by the Institute of International Finance. "They're defining themselves by how socially concerned they are." . . .

"We're in more danger than we've been during my career of losing control of inflation in the U.S.," Summers, a Harvard University professor, said. "We've gone even further towards losing it in Britain and I think we're at some risk in Europe."

Posted by: SMOD at October 15, 2021 12:37 PM (RHGPo)

104 Nobody needs a knife that can stab multiple times. Or that has a scary black handle.

Posted by: 496 at October 15, 2021 12:37 PM (VJsqe)

105 I sincerely hope Arfon Jones gets hit by the karma train. Piece of garbage.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 15, 2021 12:38 PM (XSRBF)

106 They're not refugees because they're not going back.

Except for a victory lap like JEF.

Posted by: torabora at October 15, 2021 12:38 PM (/DTtA)

107 I interned with an MP back in the day and actually helped out at his constituent surgeries. He represented a district up on Yorkshire. Hardest part was making my way through some of the accents and trying to figure out what the heck people were talking about.

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at October 15, 2021 12:38 PM (dfRN6)

108 77 69 I think he was mad.

Not mad like angry, but mad in the British sense.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 15, 2021 12:32 PM (DU+/6)

WAS HE MAD?!
Posted by: Michael Caine at October 15, 2021 12:34 PM

I always liked the phrase "Barking Mad".

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 15, 2021 12:38 PM (trdmm)

109 isn't Ilhan Omar's somali husbandbrother in London?

Posted by: let's go brandin' at October 15, 2021 12:38 PM (oA+QO)

110 Nobody needs a knife that can stab multiple times. Or that has a scary black handle.
Posted by: 496 at October 15, 2021 12:37 PM (VJsqe)
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Or that can cut through meat.

Posted by: Axeman at October 15, 2021 12:38 PM (XHhHI)

111 Can i get of the ride yet? It's very tiring. I'm done.I've got the feeling the wrapping is going to burst wide soon. So many things are going wrong it seems inevitable.

Posted by: Lesko Brandon at October 15, 2021 12:38 PM (0OmEj)

112 Nothing stops crime like a Bobbie blowing a whistle, well except for almost any other thing a police officer could do.
Posted by: An Observation

Like saying "Right. What's all this then?", for instance. Stops crime proper.

Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at October 15, 2021 12:38 PM (OssQ4)

113 The whole world is a giant mess. Something has got to give. It won't be pretty.
........

Until humans are extinct.

Posted by: wth at October 15, 2021 12:39 PM (v0R5T)

114 Must not been in a "knife free zone".

Posted by: Javems at October 15, 2021 12:39 PM (AmoqO)

115 I can't help but think of Hot Fuzz where Nick Angel keeps correcting everyone's terminology: "we don't call it a police force any longer, that implies violence"

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 15, 2021 12:39 PM (KZzsI)

116 >What do you expect in the climate of hate encouraged by Trump?
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 15, 2021 12:34 PM (0ryfU)

You think we would have learned after the Climate of Hate in Dallas killed Kennedy in 63.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at October 15, 2021 12:39 PM (cSs/W)

117 No Name Today. Thanks

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at October 15, 2021 12:40 PM (2NHgQ)

118 A conservative could've made Arfon's comment and it would be completely correct and sympathetic to the victim. Think Steve Scalise.

Posted by: 496 at October 15, 2021 12:40 PM (VJsqe)

119 85 Anyone know how to get to the Daily Mail without disabling my adblocker? They're always johnny on the spot when something happens, in the UK or here. They must have a lot of stringers on their payroll that they report on things immediately.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at October 15, 2021 12:35 PM (2NHgQ)

Use Archive.today. Usually someone has already archived the page so searching for it usually provides immediate results.

https://archive.is/HlpaN

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at October 15, 2021 12:40 PM (DTX3h)

120 I leave aside the deeper concern that the primary role of mainstream economics in our society is to provide an apologetics for a criminally oppressive, unsustainable, and unjust social order. -- Jeremy Rudd, Fed economist

Posted by: SMOD at October 15, 2021 12:40 PM (RHGPo)

121 I always liked the phrase "Barking Mad".
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 15, 2021 12:38 PM (trdmm)

This is about me, isn't it?

Posted by: hILLRY o O at October 15, 2021 12:40 PM (v0R5T)

122 I'm not quite sure what Arfon Jones is getting at. Is he blaming the victim?

Posted by: Northernlurkerish at October 15, 2021 12:41 PM (cSyAR)

123 107 I interned with an MP back in the day and actually helped out at his constituent surgeries. He represented a district up on Yorkshire. Hardest part was making my way through some of the accents and trying to figure out what the heck people were talking about.
Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher

Good thing the MP wasn't representing Newcastle.

Posted by: Puddleglum at work at October 15, 2021 12:41 PM (8Sqzu)

124 Nothing stops crime like a Bobbie blowing a whistle, well except for almost any other thing a police officer could do.

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you have to consider that keeping your duly elected officials alive is an expectation that comes from a place of privilege. and since we leftists have decided that the whole foundation of Western society is illegitimate, your expectations are probably racist too.

Posted by: Tim Riggins at October 15, 2021 12:41 PM (ZZK0E)

125 Yes they want us dead.

Posted by: sven at October 15, 2021 12:41 PM (Lzpvj)

126 116 >What do you expect in the climate of hate encouraged by Trump?
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 15, 2021 12:34 PM (0ryfU)

You think we would have learned after the Climate of Hate in Dallas killed Kennedy in 63.
Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at October 15, 2021 12:39 PM

I saw Climate of Hate open for the Dead Kennedys in Dallas in '63!

Posted by: Abraham Zapruder at October 15, 2021 12:42 PM (YOIA1)

127 How come it is always the conservative law makers that get killed? Can't recall a single leftist even getting spit upon.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at October 15, 2021 12:42 PM (JUOKG)

128 So does that mean that a sex-change operation is now a removal or implantation of a prostate?

Posted by: Axeman at October 15, 2021 12:42 PM (XHhHI)

129
It was a Somali.
Posted by: Hedley Lamarr

A sommelier? Man, he ought not have sent back those first two bottles of port, oughtn't he?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 15, 2021 12:42 PM (pNxlR)

130 Someone should head to London and box up a whole busload of Somalis and drive them over to Arfon's house and leave them.

Posted by: Azathoth at October 15, 2021 12:42 PM (fkgvR)

131 I'm not quite sure what Arfon Jones is getting at. Is he blaming the victim?

That would seem rather obvious. Even to us. *hic*

Posted by: Suburban Wine Moms at October 15, 2021 12:42 PM (Xrfse)

132 Where has MUMR been?

Posted by: I guess I'll ask them at October 15, 2021 12:42 PM (K0DWI)

133 -
i learned "identity parade" from British TV, which is their term for a police line-up.
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did you know they call an elevator a "boot" and the trunk of a car a "lift"?

Posted by: Tim Riggins at October 15, 2021 12:32 PM
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What do they call a quarter-pounder with cheese?

Posted by: irright at October 15, 2021 12:42 PM (SchQD)

134 >The British cops don't stand around doing nothing, sometimes they vigorously blow whistles. Nothing stops crime like a Bobbie blowing a whistle, well except for almost any other thing a police officer could do.
Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at October 15, 2021 12:35 PM (TPKPX)

Don't forget driving shitty jelly bean patrol cars festooned with rainbow vomit, dancing in TikTok vids with a bunch of the LGTBQWXYZ freaks, and harassing working folks to see if they have their loicense.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at October 15, 2021 12:42 PM (cSs/W)

135 Times of London reporting says attacker was a 'foreign national'

Posted by: McCool at October 15, 2021 12:42 PM (BqBIh)

136 You think we would have learned after the Climate of Hate in Dallas killed Kennedy in 63.
Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at October 15, 2021 12:39 PM
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Hey, you were here earlier today, weren't you?

Posted by: Axeman at October 15, 2021 12:43 PM (XHhHI)

137 Was he really "conservative" though?

Posted by: Dropkick That Cox Zucker at October 15, 2021 12:43 PM (hOaYm)

138 >What do you expect in the climate of hate encouraged by Trump?
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 15, 2021 12:34 PM (0ryfU)

You think we would have learned after the Climate of Hate in Dallas killed Kennedy in 63.

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you have to consider conservatives creating an anti-women's healthcare climate that led James Hodgkinson to commit suicide by cop

Posted by: Tim Riggins at October 15, 2021 12:43 PM (ZZK0E)

139 Well, I suppose it was a sort of surgery, in our sense of the word. An abrupt and intense and unexpected surgery by an amateur.
Posted by: The Rt. Rev. Yudhishthira's Dice at October 15, 2021 12:37 PM (cTqLg)
++++
The World's Wildest Unanticipated Ad-Hoc Amateur Surgery
CAUGHT ON FILM

Posted by: Coming this Fall to FOX at October 15, 2021 12:43 PM (DU+/6)

140 Ok great, according to that twink Afron Jones, if you sow division it's game on.

The left has been sowing division for 150 years, so we have a lot of catching up to do.

Cadre of People, Industrial Wood Chippers, some assembly required.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 15, 2021 12:43 PM (+yD6U)

141 I saw Climate of Hate open for the Dead Kennedys in Dallas in '63!

Posted by: Abraham Zapruder at October 15, 2021 12:42 PM (YOIA1)

Were you at the back and to the left?

Posted by: flounder at October 15, 2021 12:43 PM (Jp/Er)

142 It's for the Greater Good.

Posted by: Sandford Neighbourhood Watch Alliance at October 15, 2021 12:43 PM (4I/2K)

143 127 How come it is always the conservative law makers that get killed? Can't recall a single leftist even getting spit upon.

***

"Harrumph!"
- the Right

Posted by: Azathoth at October 15, 2021 12:44 PM (fkgvR)

144 122 I'm not quite sure what Arfon Jones is getting at. Is he blaming the victim?
Posted by: Northernlurkerish

yes, he saying if someone doesn't like your politics they kinda have the right to kill you, which is a sorta shortsighted thing for a politician to approve of.

Posted by: let's go brandin' at October 15, 2021 12:44 PM (oA+QO)

145 Was he really "conservative" though?
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interesting point because, to the left and the media, every person is an ultra-super extremist right winger.

Posted by: Tim Riggins at October 15, 2021 12:44 PM (ZZK0E)

146 Can i get of the ride yet? It's very tiring. I'm done.I've got the feeling the wrapping is going to burst wide soon. So many things are going wrong it seems inevitable.
Posted by: Lesko Brandon at October 15, 2021 12:38 PM (0OmEj)

Sock fail? Intentional?

Schroedinger's social media post. Let's open the box and see what died.

Posted by: Kindltot at October 15, 2021 12:44 PM (KbLYZ)

147 Anyone know how to get to the Daily Mail without disabling my adblocker?
Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at October 15
On the iphone, they have an app. It gets annoying if you go into the photos for a particular story, they will start playing ads. But otherwise, no ads. Not sure which phone you have.

Posted by: MikeM at October 15, 2021 12:44 PM (5Y7fX)

148 I'll be on Christian Toto's podcast on Wednesday.

Do bookmark and listen in!

https://tinyurl.com/5devwzd9

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the West with Leone at October 15, 2021 12:44 PM (LvTSG)

149 So Jones is saying either do what progressives demand or we will have you killed.

Posted by: rhennigantx at October 15, 2021 12:45 PM (yrol0)

150 Remember some muzz was stabbing people in Germany and the police investigated somebody who shouted something derogatory about Turks as he witnessed it...

Posted by: steevy at October 15, 2021 12:45 PM (CYnTg)

151 145 Was he really "conservative" though?
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interesting point because, to the left and the media, every person is an ultra-super extremist right winger.
Posted by: Tim Riggins at October 15, 2021 12:44 PM (ZZK0E)

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Especially that corporatist Barack Obama who gave massive handouts to the pharma companies.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the West with Leone at October 15, 2021 12:45 PM (LvTSG)

152 Whatever happened to Bishop?

Posted by: I guess I'll ask them at October 15, 2021 12:45 PM (K0DWI)

153 thanks, SMOD.

Posted by: ace at October 15, 2021 12:45 PM (0G13K)

154 Billy Jeff in hospital? I'm conflicted. Should be the other one.

I denounce myself

Posted by: Infidel on the phone at October 15, 2021 12:45 PM (2EZBQ)

155 Can't recall a single leftist even getting spit upon.

Bill Gates had a pie thrown in his face.

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at October 15, 2021 12:45 PM (TPKPX)

156 What do they call a quarter-pounder with cheese?

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a dauphine avec du fromage

lol, jk...

in the UK, it'd be a binky winky cheesey half-hogshead shimmy.

Posted by: Tim Riggins at October 15, 2021 12:46 PM (ZZK0E)

157 It's not unusual to hate on everyone.

Posted by: Zombie Tom Jones at October 15, 2021 12:46 PM (Xrfse)

158 How come it is always the conservative law makers that get killed? Can't recall a single leftist even getting spit upon.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at October 15, 2021 12:42 PM (JUOKG)

Jo Cox killed by a real white supremacist. Before her another Conservative MP killed by a Muslim.

Posted by: Hedley Lamarr at October 15, 2021 12:46 PM (tDAwn)

159 Interesting how lefties are never guilty of inciting hatred.

Posted by: Northernlurkerish at October 15, 2021 12:46 PM (cSyAR)

160 MikeM. On my laptop using Vivaldi. Just tried to exempt them and it didn't work. Have to do more reserach.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at October 15, 2021 12:46 PM (2NHgQ)

161 127 How come it is always the conservative law makers that get killed? Can't recall a single leftist even getting spit upon.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at October 15, 2021 12:42 PM

Because the government will ruthlessly pursue anyone that harms a leftist, while giving a pass to harming conservatives. It's nice to control the levels of power when you're a corrupt ideologue.

Posted by: Leftist Legal Philosopher at October 15, 2021 12:47 PM (YOIA1)

162
Do bookmark and listen in!

https://tinyurl.com/5devwzd9
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the West with Leone

Ix-nay on the rometheus-pay

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 15, 2021 12:47 PM (pNxlR)

163 -
Billy Jeff in hospital? -
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I'm only in here because she's OUT THERE.

Posted by: Bill C. at October 15, 2021 12:47 PM (SchQD)

164 @152

>>Whatever happened to Bishop?

After Aliens he did a very good short lived show on FOX called Millennium, he's been in a crap ton of character actor parts since then.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 15, 2021 12:48 PM (+yD6U)

165 145 Was he really "conservative" though?
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interesting point because, to the left and the media, every person is an ultra-super extremist right winger.
Posted by: Tim Riggins at October 15, 2021 12:44 PM (ZZK0E)
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Referring to the gentlemen from the other thread this morning, stating that late 60's conservatives, G Dubya, and DJT and 60's NRA "weren't really 'conservative.'"

Curious what passes as a conservative, from the conservative side of things.

Posted by: Dropkick That Cox Zucker at October 15, 2021 12:48 PM (hOaYm)

166 yes, he saying if someone doesn't like your politics they kinda have the right to kill you, which is a sorta shortsighted thing for a politician to approve of.

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no, no, no...what he was saying is that if you create a climate of hate and divide people then they have the right. And you see leftists only foment riots and looting, not hate...and they separate people by race, class, education, and religion to start those riots but not divide people. God, read a book, wingnut.

Posted by: Tim Riggins at October 15, 2021 12:48 PM (ZZK0E)

167 At some point, Christian folks, you'll have to figure out that those church doors are not a force field and you are targets without legal protection. The church in Texas was wise to that not so long ago - they mostly lived.

I mostly flunked out of Sunday School - but I do believe this is time for that "trade your cloak for a sword" or "beat your plowshare into a sword" or whatever moment. Point being - I don't think Jesus expected you to sit there and get slaughtered without fighting back. I really don't.

Posted by: Working for Peanuts at October 15, 2021 12:48 PM (Am/Ld)

168 English Wine Moms Demand more knife control.

Posted by: Hic at October 15, 2021 12:48 PM (2xGy+)

169 Whatever happened to Bishop?
Posted by: I guess I'll ask them

Taken in a Knight fork on R5.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 15, 2021 12:48 PM (1t5dY)

170
I don't think it's possible to out-cuck Boris Johnson's lame pathetic remarks.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at October 15, 2021 12:48 PM (lM2/D)

171 148 I'll be on Christian Toto's podcast on Wednesday.

Do bookmark and listen in!

https://tinyurl.com/5devwzd9
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the
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Cool.
How about a head's up and a time?

Posted by: Braenyard at October 15, 2021 12:49 PM (cvH3m)

172 What do they call a quarter-pounder with cheese?
Posted by: irright at October 15, 2021 12:42 PM

An Imperial with cheese. Because of the metric system.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 15, 2021 12:49 PM (m+jkK)

173 The Looney Left's explanation of this murder:
"She deserved to get r4ped because of her short skirt."

Posted by: Defenestratus at October 15, 2021 12:49 PM (zvyFq)

174 Hmmm, just got a banner add about body bags being on sale.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at October 15, 2021 12:50 PM (8C7+r)

175 #BelieveAllJoneses

Posted by: Zombie Tom Jones at October 15, 2021 12:50 PM (Xrfse)

176 I'm not quite sure what Arfon Jones is getting at. Is he blaming the victim?
Posted by: Northernlurkerish at October 15, 2021 12:41 PM (cSyAR)

He's celebrating, he can't get hard unless he fantasizes about launching rockets at perfidious Albion.

Posted by: Sjg at October 15, 2021 12:50 PM (gDSJf)

177 >> I'm not quite sure what Arfon Jones is getting at. Is he blaming the victim?

Yes, and more generally, anyone engaging in "hate" speech, which no doubt = saying things that offends people, and/or stuff I don't agree with.

He's saying it's a normal reaction to bad speech to muder, so control your *speech* peopl, not control your reactions to speech you don;t like.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 15, 2021 12:50 PM (bDqIh)

178 159 Interesting how lefties are never guilty of inciting hatred.
Posted by: Northernlurkerish at October 15, 2021 12:46 PM (cSyAR)
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Hold my Montrachet.

Posted by: AOCox Zucker at October 15, 2021 12:50 PM (hOaYm)

179 -
The Looney Left's explanation of this murder:
"She deserved to get r4ped because of her short skirt."

Posted by: Defenestratus at October 15, 2021 12:49 PM -
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But, the perp was wearing one too.

Posted by: irright at October 15, 2021 12:50 PM (SchQD)

180 She deserved to get r4ped because of her short skirt."

Posted by: Defenestratus at October 15, 2021 12:49 PM (zvyFq)

I mean...

Posted by: Loudon County School district at October 15, 2021 12:51 PM (K0DWI)

181 137 Was he really "conservative" though?
Posted by: Dropkick That Cox Zucker at October 15, 2021 12:43 PM (hOaYm)

It's an entirely different country. The Tory party predates American Conservatism by a long time and exists for different reasons.

In Australia, the Liberal Nationalist coalition is the right-wing group.

None of this necessarily implies ideological or policy position equivalency. When people use the word Catholic it doesn't mean every person who says the Apostles' Creed.

As another example, neocons aren't conservative.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy (z5Vrg) - The Republic is Already Dead at October 15, 2021 12:51 PM (z5Vrg)

182 MI 5. Top. Men.

Posted by: Count de Monet, Intermittent Faster, Unvaccinated Kulak-American at October 15, 2021 12:51 PM (4I/2K)

183 164 @152

>>Whatever happened to Bishop?

After Aliens he did a very good short lived show on FOX called Millennium, he's been in a crap ton of character actor parts since then.

Posted by: Thomas Bender

Lance Henricksen. One of the better character actors out there. His IMDB page is pretty long. He's been around a bit.

Posted by: Puddleglum at work at October 15, 2021 12:51 PM (8Sqzu)

184 171 Cool.
How about a head's up and a time?
Posted by: Braenyard at October 15, 2021 12:49 PM (cvH3m)

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It's not live. I recorded it half an hour ago. So, just whenever he posts it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the West with Leone at October 15, 2021 12:51 PM (LvTSG)

185 Brits are not big on metric, they even dropped the requirement for metric weight in food packaging since they eft the EU

Posted by: steevy at October 15, 2021 12:51 PM (CYnTg)

186 I'm not quite sure what Arfon Jones is getting at. Is he blaming the victim?

I think he's trying to say this was bad, but then make a political statement about how awful the present government is, so one should expect bad things in such a terrible time.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 15, 2021 12:51 PM (KZzsI)

187 Yo, CBD. Thanks for the WSJ link in the sidebar regarding Iran. For those without a WSJ subscription, here is an alternate location for the piece (Track Persia):
https://is.gd/kpE1As

Posted by: No Name Today at October 15, 2021 12:51 PM (vlXMQ)

188 Brits are not big on metric, they even dropped the requirement for metric weight in food packaging since they eft the EU

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yes, very cool. longtime metric/imperial flamewar incoming?

Posted by: Tim Riggins at October 15, 2021 12:52 PM (ZZK0E)

189 Whatever happened to Bishop?
Posted by: I guess I'll ask them at October 15, 2021 12:45 PM (K0DWI)
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The Alien got him.

Posted by: Axeman at October 15, 2021 12:52 PM (XHhHI)

190 "Isn't conservative liberal, and liberal conservative over there?"

"You're thinking of Australia.
British Conservative is still essentially socialism, but slower, but it's more conservative, from the American idiom, than the Labour Party is."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the West with Leone at October 15, 2021 12:22 PM (LvTSG)

As Covid has shown us, there's nothing conservative or liberal about any of these political parties. Just different degrees of authoritarianism. They'll use their new found powers to limit freedom by using other illnesses and climate change next.

Posted by: lowandslow at October 15, 2021 12:52 PM (4thlk)

191 --> Was he really "conservative" though?

He was anti-abortion and Vote Leave. That's about as conservative (in US terminology) as a UK Conservative MP gets.

Posted by: Match Checksout at October 15, 2021 12:52 PM (dYe5S)

192 >>Posted by: Working for Peanuts at October 15, 2021 12:48 PM (

Oh great, the glowie is back

Posted by: Lizzy at October 15, 2021 12:52 PM (bDqIh)

193 Thirty hours since the stabbing, and they still haven't released the man's name.

Gosh, whatever could be the reason for keeping the assailant's name secret?

Posted by: The ARC of History! at October 15, 2021 12:52 PM (I2/tG)

194 Brits are not big on metric, they even dropped the requirement for metric weight in food packaging since they eft the EU

They are a bit conflicted on it. They use kilos for most weight and meters for most distance, but then measure things by miles when it comes to cars, etc

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 15, 2021 12:52 PM (KZzsI)

195 I'm not quite sure what Arfon Jones is getting at. Is he blaming the victim?

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bullshit assholerly like this from the Brit left (whatever you call them) continues to pay dividends as they continue to lose race after race.

Posted by: Tim Riggins at October 15, 2021 12:53 PM (ZZK0E)

196 Bare Shelves Biden: https://tinyurl.com/592heuuw

Posted by: 496 at October 15, 2021 12:53 PM (VJsqe)

197 I'm not quite sure what Arfon Jones is getting at. Is he blaming the victim?

Come on - he's doing the Mob thing. "These things happen when you don't pay your protection money".

Don't make it more complicated than it is.

Posted by: Working for Peanuts at October 15, 2021 12:53 PM (guwcT)

198 193 Backlash of course

Posted by: steevy at October 15, 2021 12:53 PM (CYnTg)

199 166 yes, he saying if someone doesn't like your politics they kinda have the right to kill you, which is a sorta shortsighted thing for a politician to approve of.

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Every politician and cop on the planet think that, as soon as you disagree with them outting you into jail, no matter what has or has not transpired. Straight up.

Posted by: AOCox Zucker at October 15, 2021 12:53 PM (hOaYm)

200 I think he's trying to say this was bad, but then make a political statement about how awful the present government is, so one should expect bad things in such a terrible time.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 15, 2021 12:51 PM (KZzsI)
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Just as sympathetic as those guys expressing 1) you have a nice place of business, 2) it would be a *shame* if anything were to happen to it.

Posted by: Axeman at October 15, 2021 12:53 PM (XHhHI)

201 Referring to the gentlemen from the other thread this morning, stating that late 60's conservatives, G Dubya, and DJT and 60's NRA "weren't really 'conservative.'"

Curious what passes as a conservative, from the conservative side of things.
Posted by: Dropkick That Cox Zucker at October 15, 2021 12:48 PM (hOaYm)

You've gone even crazier, suggesting that an American political movement is somehow represented by a political party in an entirely different country that vastly predates the American movement. May we sometimes agree with the Tories? Probably. Do we have any real historical relation or ties with them? No.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy (z5Vrg) - The Republic is Already Dead at October 15, 2021 12:53 PM (z5Vrg)

202 193 Thirty hours since the stabbing, and they still haven't released the man's name.

Gosh, whatever could be the reason for keeping the assailant's name secret?
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He either was wearing a dress or is a Capital Hill Policeman.

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 15, 2021 12:53 PM (ifUkZ)

203
The Left is doing what it does best: Putting You On The Defensive.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at October 15, 2021 12:54 PM (lM2/D)

204 He was anti-abortion and Vote Leave. That's about as conservative (in US terminology) as a UK Conservative MP gets.

yeah its a relative thing.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 15, 2021 12:54 PM (KZzsI)

205 What in the actual fvck is a glowie ? Did I just get called a fag ?

Posted by: Working for Peanuts at October 15, 2021 12:54 PM (guwcT)

206 I think he's trying to say this was bad, but then make a political statement about how awful the present government is, so one should expect bad things in such a terrible time.

Arfon and I thank you for you gratuitous interpretation! Go, Wales!

Posted by: Zombie Tom Jones at October 15, 2021 12:54 PM (Xrfse)

207 I don't think Jesus expected you to sit there and get slaughtered without fighting back. I really don't.

You haven't read your Bible, agent.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 15, 2021 12:54 PM (KZzsI)

208 What kind of ghey name is Arfon anyway?

Posted by: vmom - link to Red's fundraiser at October 15, 2021 12:55 PM (YZG/i)

209 -
What in the actual fvck is a glowie ? Did I just get called a fag ?

Posted by: Working for Peanuts at October 15, 2021 12:54 PM -
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Nah, it's just about who you work for.

Posted by: irright at October 15, 2021 12:55 PM (SchQD)

210 @188

>>yes, very cool. longtime metric/imperial flamewar incoming?

Eh, it's always been silly, in the US we use both systems.

We use the metric system to launch rockets and measure out cocaine, we use the imperial system to order beer and cut 2berfurs.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 15, 2021 12:55 PM (+yD6U)

211 Leaving the city, wish me luck

Posted by: Skip's Phone at October 15, 2021 12:56 PM (ndEBW)

212 I randomly ran across this at the archive.is

In the summer of 1989, Slovak members of HOS decided to commemorate the anniversary of the Warsaw Pact invasion by publicly laying flowers at various locations in Slovakia where citizens had been killed in 1968. They announced their plans in a letter sent to the Slovak government dated August 4, 1989. Hundreds of copies of the letter were also produced in samizdat form and secretly distributed throughout Slovakia. Five of the organizers were randomly selected to sign the letter. In Bratislava, the state authorities quickly responded by arresting [them]. Though crowds gathered at the sites on August 20, the police prevented anyone from presenting flowers. The trials of the five were scheduled for the fall of 1989. In the Slovak press, the signators became known collectively as the 'Bratislava Five.' [W]ord of the November 17 demonstration in Prague that began the Velvet Revolution reached Bratislava. The public reaction to the arrest of the Bratislava Five strengthened the ties between the different streams of opposition in Slovakia [ and to ] negotiate the peaceful transfer of power from Communist authorities

Posted by: Kindltot at October 15, 2021 12:56 PM (KbLYZ)

213 What in the actual fvck is a glowie ? Did I just get called a fag ?

Not keeping up with the current lingo there in Quantico?

Posted by: The ARC of History! at October 15, 2021 12:56 PM (I2/tG)

214 He was anti-abortion and Vote Leave. That's about as conservative (in US terminology) as a UK Conservative MP gets.

yeah its a relative thing.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 15, 2021 12:54 PM (KZzsI)
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It's totally relative. "Conservatism" is relative to the object conserved.

This is why one term like "right" can't describe traditionalists/conservatives, but a movement that wants to disrupt every existing government can be described with the word "left".

Posted by: Axeman at October 15, 2021 12:57 PM (XHhHI)

215
They still use miles and gallons over there in Fagland, yes?

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at October 15, 2021 12:57 PM (lM2/D)

216 Red Turban...
How do YOU define "conservative?"

Posted by: AOCox Zucker at October 15, 2021 12:57 PM (hOaYm)

217 Multiple major Democratic donors, as well as a political action committee run by John Bolton, have given money to Republican Rep. Liz Cheneys reelection bid as she has positioned herself as the main GOP critic of former President Donald Trump.

Pretty much says everything you need to know about bolton

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 15, 2021 12:57 PM (GPwVZ)

218 >>>2berfurs

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that's a "two by twice" to some old French Canadians, I recall from my childhood

Posted by: 496 at October 15, 2021 12:57 PM (VJsqe)

219 Arfon and I thank you for you gratuitous interpretation! Go, Wales!
Posted by: Zombie Tom Jones at October 15, 2021 12:54 PM (Xrfse)

Wales will be free from the strait to the sea!

Posted by: Arfon Jones at October 15, 2021 12:57 PM (gDSJf)

220 sound on

https://twitter.com/Shawn_Farash/status/
1448791694900703232

Posted by: vmom - link to Red's fundraiser at October 15, 2021 12:57 PM (YZG/i)

221 >>They still use miles and gallons over there in Fagland, yes?

Litres and Furlongs

Posted by: garrett at October 15, 2021 12:59 PM (VHLkx)

222 193 Thirty hours since the stabbing, and they still haven't released the man's name.

Gosh, whatever could be the reason for keeping the assailant's name secret?
Posted by: The ARC of History! at October 15, 2021 12:52 PM (I2/tG)
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I'm setting the betting line of the Mohammed factor at 66%: Mohammed Leroy Mohammed, or something like that.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 15, 2021 12:59 PM (YqDXo)

223 NGU!
There was a whole slew of dentist jokes in the art thread today!

Posted by: nurse ratched at October 15, 2021 12:59 PM (NYMg5)

224 They still use miles and gallons over there in Fagland, yes?
Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at October 15, 2021 12:57 PM (lM2/D)
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Miles, yes. But they use the Imperial gallon, based on the 20 oz pint (40 oz quart, 160 oz gallon). A gallon there is 25% larger.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 15, 2021 12:59 PM (DU+/6)

225 Red Turban. We can agree Liz Cheney is NOT a conservative.

Posted by: AOCox Zucker at October 15, 2021 12:59 PM (hOaYm)

226 Nah, it's just about who you work for.

Posted by: irright at October 15, 2021 12:55 PM (SchQD)

Self employed. Engineer by trade. Saw the "agent" comment by the all knowing Chris Taylor. I get "glowie" by context now. It's the new word for troll. Which has always been shorthand for "shut up, I explained".

Not inciting anyone to anything. Suggesting you might want to do your own armed security at the church-house - because crap that this has happened here before and I'm positive will accelerate in the very near future.

Or, sit there and get devoured like helpless prey. Not what they taught us in redneck Sunday School - but to each their own.

Posted by: Working for Peanuts at October 15, 2021 12:59 PM (guwcT)

227
Back in 2009 it was a whirlwind of obama scandals -- one after another.

Most of obama's cabinet were exposed as tax evaders. Nothing came of any of obama's scandals, but they sure kept Us busy.

We are reliving 2009. And if we continue this way, we will repeat 2012.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at October 15, 2021 12:59 PM (lM2/D)

228 It's also why Hitler could never be described as a "conservative". He neither wanted to retain the Weimar society nor did he want to roll it back to Hohenzollern or Hapsburg (Austria) rule.

Nazism was *truly* progressive reform of everything in society.

You can't call that "conservative" even if you can call it "right".

Posted by: Axeman at October 15, 2021 01:00 PM (XHhHI)

229 This busty brunette in a bikini is glad that she has never been the victim of sudden amateur surgery:
https://is.gd/pYw8tZ

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 15, 2021 01:00 PM (DU+/6)

230 That Arlon Jones fellow is a right hateful twat.

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw at October 15, 2021 01:00 PM (II3Gr)

231 If only he had brought a shrubbery to the surgery, none of this would have happened. Ni!

Posted by: Roy at October 15, 2021 01:00 PM (Ti+Tv)

232 207 I don't think Jesus expected you to sit there and get slaughtered without fighting back. I really don't.
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You haven't met Quakers have you?

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 15, 2021 01:00 PM (ifUkZ)

233 I'm setting the betting line of the Mohammed factor at 66%: Mohammed Leroy Mohammed, or something like that.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

What percentage of his name will be Mohammed. That's great.

Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at October 15, 2021 01:00 PM (OssQ4)

234 Schillings, farthing, ha'penny.

What a silly buncha names for currency.

Posted by: Count de Monet, Intermittent Faster, Unvaccinated Kulak-American at October 15, 2021 01:01 PM (4I/2K)

235 I'm setting the betting line of the Mohammed factor at 66%: Mohammed Leroy Mohammed, or something like that.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

Muhammed MacMurderJidhadJihad...

Esquire.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 15, 2021 01:01 PM (1t5dY)

236 It was a fucking Somalian according to the latest in the Daily Mail. What a surprise.

Posted by: David Gillies at October 15, 2021 01:01 PM (tjHrt)

237 I'm setting the betting line of the Mohammed factor at 66%: Mohammed Leroy Mohammed, or something like that.

Or the rare "hat trick": Mohammed Mohammed Mohammed.

100% chance that he was "on the radar of the security agencies", who did nothing.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at October 15, 2021 01:01 PM (I2/tG)

238 Turn the other cheek. Or beat the ever loving crap out of the guy... I don't care.

- The Bible

Posted by: 496 at October 15, 2021 01:01 PM (VJsqe)

239 225 Red Turban. We can agree Liz Cheney is NOT a conservative.
Posted by: AOCox Zucker at October 15, 2021 12:59 PM (hOaYm)

I don't see why you'd identify her separately from Bush? They actually are part of the same faction within the R party.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy (z5Vrg) - The Republic is Already Dead at October 15, 2021 01:02 PM (z5Vrg)

240 @disclosetv

NOW - Oklahoma Gov. Stitt to sue Biden over vaccine mandate.

https://tinyurl.com/yf93wg34

Posted by: Tami at October 15, 2021 01:02 PM (cF8AT)

241 Wilson in America, was "progressive". Wilson hired Eduard Bernays, who practically invented propaganda.

When the 11th Chapter of Volume II of Mein Kampf praises propaganda, it's not like "here is a thing that we're doing for the first time--us, the Nazis--and we think it will be swell". No, Hitler is praising an existing (scientific) practice to control opinion.

Posted by: Axeman at October 15, 2021 01:02 PM (XHhHI)

242 228 It's also why Hitler could never be described as a "conservative". He neither wanted to retain the Weimar society nor did he want to roll it back to Hohenzollern or Hapsburg (Austria) rule.

Nazism was *truly* progressive reform of everything in society.

You can't call that "conservative" even if you can call it "right".
Posted by: Axeman at October 15, 2021 01:00 PM (XHhHI)

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Hitler absolutely leftist. No argument.

Posted by: AOCox Zucker at October 15, 2021 01:02 PM (hOaYm)

243 I'm setting the betting line of the Mohammed factor at 66%: Mohammed Leroy Mohammed, or something like that.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara
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Of course, in the UK it'd probably be Mohammed Percy Mohammed, but you get the idea.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 15, 2021 01:02 PM (YqDXo)

244 We must accept their jihad ... just part of their culture/religion.

Isn't that what (China apologist) Biden said about China's worst abuses? "Cultural Differences".

Posted by: illiniwek at October 15, 2021 01:02 PM (Cus5s)

245 >>>I get "glowie" by context now. It's the new word for troll. Which has always been shorthand for "shut up, I explained".

Glowie != troll, not even close.

Posted by: mikethemoose at October 15, 2021 01:03 PM (T/vhV)

246 in the UK, it'd be a binky winky cheesey half-hogshead shimmy.

Posted by: Tim Riggins at October 15, 2021 12:46 PM (ZZK0E)

"Double Wimpy Cheese Burger. Served in a white bun with 2 beef patties, 2 slices of cheese, tomato, lettuce, onion & Wimpy ketchup"

(I had to look it up)

Posted by: Kindltot at October 15, 2021 01:03 PM (KbLYZ)

247 I see Booty is taking two months off for his adoption in his sham relationship with a man. I feel bad for the adopted kid.

Posted by: WiNO - Now Fortified with Fraud at October 15, 2021 01:03 PM (EpDzw)

248 It's hard to separate Liz Cheney from Bush.

Posted by: Axeman at October 15, 2021 01:03 PM (XHhHI)

249 Yeah, I don't think advocating to arm yourself in defense is glowie behavior, unless there was a different comment that I missed.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at October 15, 2021 01:03 PM (cSs/W)

250 To be fair, ARC, they probably "flagged" the guy. Which apparently means "wrote his name on a post-it note" now.

Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at October 15, 2021 01:03 PM (OssQ4)

251 Amateur.

Posted by: James T. Hodgkinson at October 15, 2021 01:04 PM (aZ3wQ)

252 I don't see why you'd identify her separately from Bush? They actually are part of the same faction within the R party.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy (z5Vrg) - The Republic is Already Dead at October 15, 2021 01:02 PM (z5Vrg)
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I concede the debate.
You win.

Posted by: AOCox Zucker at October 15, 2021 01:04 PM (hOaYm)

253 he can't be a glowie bc he said fag, which is forbidden by our federal friends. It's like killing someone while undercover.

Posted by: Tim Riggins at October 15, 2021 01:04 PM (ZZK0E)

254 Hitler absolutely leftist. No argument.

Biggest difference I ever found between Hitler and Stalin was Hitler liked the idea of independent corporations building his tanks, because he got better tanks. Stalin liked the idea of nationalizing everything.

And Hitler had a higher opinion of Western Civ.

Posted by: Working for Peanuts at October 15, 2021 01:05 PM (guwcT)

255 We can agree Liz Cheney is NOT a conservative.

It will be amusing watching her reelection campaign, considering that she doesn't dare appear publicly in Wyoming.

She'll flood the airwaves in Wyoming with ads, and have some carefully selected "events" in deep blue Jackson on private property, so the protestors can be kept well away.

She won't show her face in Afton, Sheridan, or anywhere else in the real Wyoming.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at October 15, 2021 01:05 PM (I2/tG)

256 Glowie != troll, not even close.
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A glowie is a FBI agent pretending to be a Trumper.

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 15, 2021 01:06 PM (ifUkZ)

257 "Left" and "Right" come from the French Parliament and which side the radicals sat on and which side the more traditionals sat on.

It's been a clusterfuck perpetuating those metaphors as meaningful ever since.

Posted by: Axeman at October 15, 2021 01:06 PM (XHhHI)

258 And Hitler had a higher opinion of Western Civ.
Posted by: Working for Peanuts at October 15, 2021 01:05 PM (guwcT)

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Also, he killed Hitler.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at October 15, 2021 01:06 PM (kTF2Z)

259 I see Booty is taking two months off for his adoption in his sham relationship with a man. I feel bad for the adopted kid.

Posted by: WiNO - Now Fortified with Fraud at October 15, 2021 01:03 PM

Kids, they got twins. And yes I feel sorry for them too.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at October 15, 2021 01:06 PM (JUOKG)

260 It is an odd indictment that conservatives in America are under the probably accurate impression that the feds are watching everything we say because they consider us bigger enemies than the taliban or aftaffa.

Oh, right...they accuse us of dogwhistles while they come out and actually say racist, genocidal, treaonous things as proud mission statements.

Posted by: Tim Riggins at October 15, 2021 01:06 PM (ZZK0E)

261 A glowie is a FBI agent pretending to be a Trumper.
Posted by: Puddin Head at October 15, 2021 01:06 PM (ifUkZ)
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Or, I suspect, a black-pilled "conservative".

Posted by: Axeman at October 15, 2021 01:06 PM (XHhHI)

262 And Hitler had a higher opinion of Western Civ.
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He also dressed well and was kind to dogs.

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 15, 2021 01:06 PM (ifUkZ)

263 Hitler absolutely leftist. No argument.

Semantics. Please give up.

Posted by: Zombie Uncle Joe Stalin at October 15, 2021 01:06 PM (Xrfse)

264 Nood.

Posted by: 496 at October 15, 2021 01:06 PM (VJsqe)

265 he got better tanks.
Posted by: Working for Peanuts at October 15, 2021 01:05 PM (guwcT)

I actually lived in Russia for years....
That is a FANTASTIC point you make.

Posted by: AOCox Zucker at October 15, 2021 01:07 PM (hOaYm)

266 @charliespiering 3m

Biden visiting a CT daycare: "When I talked to all your folks out on the playground, as I joked everybody knows I like kids better than people. Fortunately they're like me. Maybe that's why I like them."

Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

Posted by: Tami at October 15, 2021 01:07 PM (cF8AT)

267 And Hitler had a higher opinion of Western Civ.
Posted by: Working for Peanuts at October 15, 2021 01:05 PM (guwcT)
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Hitler was the GREATEST MAN in the WORLD!

Posted by: Hitler's Dog at October 15, 2021 01:07 PM (XHhHI)

268 Kids, they got twins. And yes I feel sorry for them too.
Posted by: Mister Scott

They will be used, and passed around to be used.

Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at October 15, 2021 01:07 PM (OssQ4)

269 I see Booty is taking two months off for his adoption in his sham relationship with a man. I feel bad for the adopted kid.

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I guess birthing a kid is a lot harder for men. Women are right about us afterall, we have no pain tolerance. \

The gays don't get that, do they? There's maternal leave because (1) the moms are fucked up from birthing and the (2) baby, newborn, needs 24 hour attention.

this is just a vacation.

Posted by: Tim Riggins at October 15, 2021 01:08 PM (ZZK0E)

270 nood

Posted by: Roy at October 15, 2021 01:08 PM (Ti+Tv)

271 Oh and it has nothing to do with shut up. By all means keep posting. When we tell people to shut up here the message is delivered with a hammer not a counter post.

If your sensitive sensibilities get ruffled so easily that they can't take doubts about you or your intentions or your content without bristling and accusing others of trying to silence you then this is not likely the forum for you.

I've had far worse said about me and I've posted here for literally over a decade. This isn't a place for folks whom get their feewings hurt easily.

Posted by: mikethemoose at October 15, 2021 01:08 PM (T/vhV)

272 Wish I could film the people on sidewalk

Posted by: Skip's Phone at October 15, 2021 01:08 PM (ndEBW)

273 Or, I suspect, a black-pilled "conservative".

Posted by: Axeman at October 15, 2021 01:06 PM (XHhHI)

You know - that I probably am. I was pretty pro "W" - right before the Patriot Act.

Posted by: Working for Peanuts at October 15, 2021 01:09 PM (guwcT)

274 Old and busted: #TwoWeeks

New and shiny: #28Days

Blue-checked environmental activist claims that health scientists say masking 'could virtually eradicate COVID in only 28 days'

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 15, 2021 01:10 PM (d9FiS)

275 sorry I missed last thread, but here is LCPS superintendant's press conference statement, where he blames high growth in the county (for the last 30 years) making "informal protocols and school-based autonomy" no longer as practical.
That's kind of buried in there (wait, we actually have informal school based autonomy on rape?) with a general whine about Title IX, which they had three months to deal with between conclusion of LCSO criminal investigation and the second assault.
The local Dem social media flying monkeys are all over it, whatabouting Trump because it's really all Betsy DeVos' fault.

https://tinyurl.com/3d7mtyc2

Posted by: barbarausa at October 15, 2021 01:15 PM (W7IZQ)

276 Blue-checked environmental activist claims that health scientists say masking 'could virtually eradicate COVID in only 28 days'
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks

Since I haven't gotten the clot shot, AND I haven't gotten sick, how am I a threat?

Posted by: rickb223 at October 15, 2021 01:16 PM (OCTRt)

277 Bunch o' wankers, they are.

Posted by: Justsayin' at October 15, 2021 01:24 PM (Fs5vw)

278 A doctor's office in the UK is typically called a "surgery". Hadn't seen the term used to describe meetings between politicians and constituents. That threw me. Learn something new every day.

Posted by: Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer at October 15, 2021 01:30 PM (oBeaz)

279 Of course, it is extra bonus points for any jihadi to kill a Christian in a CHURCH.

Posted by: Donovan Nuera at October 15, 2021 01:57 PM (iucaD)

280 I am sure the captured suspect's name is Archibald Toffington-Cavendish VII from Goblelebly-on-Thwaites who is currently reading history at Somersetshire College after having had served in the Royal Minor 723th Tweed Dragoons, don't you know....

Posted by: Donovan Nuera at October 15, 2021 02:02 PM (iucaD)

281 Oh wait...nevermind...

It was a Somalian Englishman, Archibald Nur-Mohamad VII of Mgaogastumi-on-Open Sewer, Mogadishushire, 4N2, Som.

Posted by: Donovan Nuera at October 15, 2021 02:04 PM (iucaD)

282 64 Not even in the Civil war did the South succeed in stabbing a member of Parliament to death!

Worse than Pearl Harbor.
Posted by: Washington Historians

verdict - true, but seriously they shot me right after

Posted by: Abraham Lincoln at October 15, 2021 04:03 PM (BsdjQ)

283 Please do not tell everyone a Somali bulbhead did the stabbing because that would be bad bad racism. If you do racisms even about other countries all violent retarded shitskins will not vote for conservatives. You will be doomed to never stop Joe and Cameltoe harris will be elected in totally legal and true landslide. The baby jesus will wipe his tears on the constitution while pelosi burns the flag. Obama will be on the Supreme Court and the other one with the bigger root wiener will make Rod Dreher her bitch. Then Ginsberg will come back as Dracula and Schumer will do an oral circumcision in the Capitol Hill rotunda.

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