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Southwest CEO Disputes His Own Company's Directive, Now Claiming That People Won't Be Fired for Refusing the Vaccine
I don't know if he's spinning for the public -- lying about not firing people -- or if this represents an actual shift in the company's position.
Because, as "Nice Deb" Heine reports, the company previously announced that anyone who was not vaccinated by late November would be fired.During an interview with ABC News Tuesday, Gary Kelly, the CEO of Southwest Airlines, stated that no employees will be fired over the company's vaccine mandate. However, the airline announced on October 4 that all 56,000 U.S. Southwest employees needed to get vaccinated against COVID-19 by November 24, or face termination. ... He did acknowledge that the vaccine mandate is "very controversial," and not something he wanted for his company. "This is a government mandate, it's a presidential order, and we're doing our best to comply with that according to the deadlines that have been set," Kelly said. ... "We're not going to fire any employees over this. We're urging all of our employees to get vaccinated. If they can't get vaccinated, we're urging them to seek an accommodation, so we'll do everything we can to support our people here," he said. A company-wide guidance, obtained by American Greatness, specifically stated that failure to comply with the new vaccine policy would result in termination.He had previously said that, as a federal contractor, the company had "no choice" but to impose the mandate. Um, except for turning down future government contract work. Let the US government work with its partner and model -- the Chinese government. Also at the link: He disputes that a sick-out/slowdown is causing the flight cancelations. Actually, he puts it in a very strange way: He says there's "no evidence" of that. Is this really something you need evidence for?
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(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at October 13, 2021 11:12 AM (jOcSX)
Posted by: Jordan61 at October 13, 2021 11:12 AM (Ez6QX)
Posted by: huerfano at October 13, 2021 11:12 AM (MzKgG)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the West with Leone at October 13, 2021 11:13 AM (LvTSG)
Posted by: Jordan61 at October 13, 2021 11:13 AM (Ez6QX)
I"mentioned this yesterday, but the Dave Chappelle special isn't really a comedy special. It's worth checking out. Very thoughtful at times, but it's an attempt by Chappelle to reset black people above LGBTQ people on the victim stack, so in a way he's just perpetuating a broken system."
Posted by: Max Power at October 13, 2021 11:13 AM (QCc6B)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 13, 2021 11:13 AM (qfUXd)
Is this really something you need evidence for?
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It's the weather. Duh.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the West with Leone at October 13, 2021 11:13 AM (LvTSG)
Posted by: Jmel at October 13, 2021 11:14 AM (bVhJi)
Posted by: Hawkpilot at October 13, 2021 11:14 AM (SK+VG)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 13, 2021 11:14 AM (63Dwl)
Posted by: Aeroflot at October 13, 2021 11:14 AM (ZsR3z)
He says there's "no evidence" of that.
The Hillary Clinton defense.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 13, 2021 11:14 AM (63Dwl)
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I thought the Hillary Clinton defense was an audio file on repeat that just said, "I do not recall."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the West with Leone at October 13, 2021 11:15 AM (LvTSG)
Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at October 13, 2021 11:15 AM (CjHGv)
Posted by: That Guy What Always Says Yeah Buddy TM at October 13, 2021 11:15 AM (R5lpX)
Apparently, blood clotting side effects of vax for some people might be accentuated during flights perhaps due to cabin pressure and sitting in one place for awhile.
Posted by: whig at October 13, 2021 11:15 AM (9hXN1)
The Hillary Clinton defense.
Or Al Gore, of "no controlling legal authority" fame.
Posted by: pep at October 13, 2021 11:15 AM (ZsR3z)
Again, another example of the Junta bullying the corporate oligarchy into doing its dirty work for them ...
Posted by: ShainS -- State-Stamped Sluggish Schizophrenic at October 13, 2021 11:15 AM (WIfAR)
They risk losing their government cheese. Worse they risk creating a controversy and losing passengers in a time when margins are slim. Hobson's Choice for Cowards, and all that.
The union can't say it was due to the COVID policy. That would be an illegal work action. So the CEO can't say what it was. Nobody will admit it.
Posted by: Marcus T at October 13, 2021 11:16 AM (3P+Du)
you do the math...
Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at October 13, 2021 11:16 AM (8D42x)
Join or Die, Faggots.
Posted by: Widespread Pepe at October 13, 2021 11:16 AM (KqI8+)
Posted by: Mongo, Pawn in Game of Life at October 13, 2021 11:16 AM (xIEQ/)
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at October 13, 2021 11:12 AM (jOcSX)
Indeed. And then they'll mock you in private, dismissing you as "Trump supporters" and mock and block anything you try to dispute these tyrannical and ineffective mandates.
Posted by: Thrawn at October 13, 2021 11:16 AM (5aFbR)
But I won't be participating in any vaccine mandate BS.
Posted by: Hawkpilot at October 13, 2021 11:16 AM (SK+VG)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 13, 2021 11:16 AM (qfUXd)
Posted by: Skip's Phone at October 13, 2021 11:16 AM (eQrhb)
Posted by: whig at October 13, 2021 11:16 AM (9hXN1)
Posted by: Jamaica Queens at October 13, 2021 11:17 AM (b+v9B)
Posted by: illiniwek at October 13, 2021 11:17 AM (Cus5s)
He says there's "no evidence" of that.
The Hillary Clinton defense.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 13, 2021 11:14 AM
I like "no controlling legal authority"
Posted by: Al Gore, Jr. at October 13, 2021 11:17 AM (RdGeh)
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at October 13, 2021 11:12 AM (jOcSX)
Yeah, they'll put you on indefinite unpaid leave, so you're technically not "fired".
Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at October 13, 2021 11:17 AM (cSs/W)
Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 13, 2021 11:17 AM (xWHkZ)
AND
the FDA approval that the EO hinged on is for a Drug that is unavailable for use.
Posted by: garrett at October 13, 2021 11:17 AM (Va3dv)
Posted by: Jordan61 at October 13, 2021 11:12 AM
Rookie mistake.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 13, 2021 11:17 AM (m+jkK)
Posted by: whig
This has been going on a while. Nobody but Karl and VoxDay seem to be covering it that I know of.
Posted by: Widespread Pepe at October 13, 2021 11:17 AM (KqI8+)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 13, 2021 11:16 AM (qfUXd)
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A typical one that prioritizes upholding the Democratic narrative over the interests of their workers?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the West with Leone at October 13, 2021 11:18 AM (LvTSG)
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Notice what he didn't say it was?
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A law.
Posted by: RNB at October 13, 2021 11:18 AM (DjjZJ)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 13, 2021 11:16 AM (qfUXd)
i think it's some kind of federal thing that prevents airline pilots (maybe all airline employees) from striking
Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at October 13, 2021 11:18 AM (8D42x)
Posted by: Scottst at October 13, 2021 11:18 AM (nEDaf)
Posted by: BignJames at October 13, 2021 11:19 AM (AwYPR)
Posted by: illiniwek at October 13, 2021 11:19 AM (Cus5s)
Posted by: Humphreyrobot at October 13, 2021 11:19 AM (IMmgC)
Apparently, blood clotting side effects of vax for some people might be accentuated during flights perhaps due to cabin pressure and sitting in one place for awhile.
Posted by: whig at October 13, 2021 11:15 AM (9hXN1)
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I have a family history of DVT (Deep Vein Thrombosis), which is a secondary reason why I refuse the clot shot.
[I hope I live long enough though to see some serious and fatal Deep State Thrombosis.]
Posted by: ShainS -- State-Stamped Sluggish Schizophrenic at October 13, 2021 11:19 AM (WIfAR)
Posted by: steevy at October 13, 2021 11:19 AM (CYnTg)
I wonder if the next school board meeting will like that concept?
Posted by: Diogenes at October 13, 2021 11:19 AM (axyOa)
Posted by: rickb223 at October 13, 2021 11:20 AM (OCTRt)
He also predicated it on the FDA approval of a Vax.
A vax that is not available.
Posted by: garrett at October 13, 2021 11:20 AM (Va3dv)
Is this really something you need evidence for?
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Yes, for many reasons. First, it would require acknowledgment that mandate policies are blowing back on them. Second, it would implicate the union in an illegal labor action and trigger a war.
Given the change in policy, I agree that it looks like tacit acknowledgement that the policy is harming operations. If it is harming operations, it implies that it is because people are slowing down or taking time off in response to the mandate. That response would, however, be a violation.
No one - not management (politics) or the employees and union (labor agreements) - wants to acknowledge that it might be an employee action. They'll just change the policy.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 13, 2021 11:20 AM (DU+/6)
Please consider a donation to the Liberty Counsel sooner than later.
https://lc.org/ (delete this space) newsroom/details/ (delete this space) 211011bidens-dod-is-lyingand-we-are-suing
Posted by: CAPT Constitution at October 13, 2021 11:20 AM (WCWLA)
So, we can go back to the Trump era media speak of "Without Evidence", as in "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy Claims, Without Evidence, that SW is Mandating Vaccines"? Tater must be happy.
Posted by: Flyguy at October 13, 2021 11:20 AM (3sOO0)
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Notice what he didn't say it was?
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A law.
Posted by: RNB at October 13, 2021 11:18 AM (DjjZJ)
Biden can mandate in one hand and shit in the other and see which one smells worse.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 13, 2021 11:20 AM (kJFlV)
Written off as a COVID related death - Delta variant, of course.
Posted by: Roy at October 13, 2021 11:20 AM (Ti+Tv)
Posted by: JT at October 13, 2021 11:20 AM (arJlL)
Well the FAA took that ball and ran with it...all those cancelled flights were just due to um...the unvaxxed!!
which is actually the truth for once
Posted by: kallisto at October 13, 2021 11:21 AM (DJFLF)
Posted by: Xipe Totec at October 13, 2021 11:21 AM (o2MD2)
Posted by: CAPT Constitution at October 13, 2021 11:21 AM (WCWLA)
Posted by: whig at October 13, 2021 11:15 AM (9hXN1)
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It would make sense that flying would exacerbate the problem. Clots and deep vein thrombosis are problems for people susceptible to them when flying. This is why a lot of people who are at elevated risk for those wear compression stockings while flying.
If the shots cause clotting issues (and that seems to be at least a semi-common side effect), flying could definitely make it worse.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 13, 2021 11:22 AM (DU+/6)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Failure happens, giving up is a choice at October 13, 2021 11:22 AM (V6f9+)
Posted by: USNtakim deplorable still. at October 13, 2021 11:22 AM (0OmEj)
*inconveniences intensifies*
Posted by: Widespread Pepe at October 13, 2021 11:22 AM (KqI8+)
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Bobby Brady left that trail of popcorn. Didn't he see it?
Posted by: Lady in Black at October 13, 2021 11:22 AM (sVtYq)
A Weasel
Posted by: steevy at October 13, 2021 11:22 AM (CYnTg)
I was there when the .dot boom was hitting and watched a whole section of engineers quit to start their own company. A multimillion dollar classified contract when into the shitter until the engineers failed at business (next time hire a business guy dumbshits) and came back to their old jobs.
Posted by: Diogenes at October 13, 2021 11:22 AM (axyOa)
All the LOLs.....
Posted by: Azathoth at October 13, 2021 11:22 AM (a/0xb)
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I thought the govt employee/contractor EO did go in effect, but not the other one for companies > 100 employees?
Posted by: BunkerintheBurbs at October 13, 2021 11:22 AM (ehQO4)
I can see it being "you won't be fired, but the unvaxxed will be put on unpaid leave/won't be scheduled for a flight until vaxxed" or somesuch.
Posted by: Lizzy at October 13, 2021 11:23 AM (bDqIh)
The information is getting out there about cardiac events and clotting issues were noted even when the vaxx flavors were rolled out. Just recently, the Swedes noted the failing protection from these vaxxs and the risk to young and healthy from side effects of being vaxxed probably outweighs any fleeting benefits.
I knew about thrombosis from several surgeries and asking docs about travel issues.
Posted by: whig at October 13, 2021 11:23 AM (9hXN1)
All the LOLs.....
Posted by: Azathoth at October 13, 2021 11:22 AM (a/0xb)
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I thought he had been toeing their line rather stringently recently. What brought upon this separation?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the West with Leone at October 13, 2021 11:23 AM (LvTSG)
A bunch of laid off NASA employees created Florida Institute of Technology college.
Posted by: whig at October 13, 2021 11:24 AM (9hXN1)
Posted by: Moron Robbie - local SC doctor of 40 years calls in to radio show about ivermectin at October 13, 2021 11:24 AM (vnhb5)
Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at October 13, 2021 11:18 AM
The Railway Labor Act.
Seriously.
Posted by: Chuck C at October 13, 2021 11:24 AM (EughT)
All the LOLs.....
Posted by: Azathoth at October 13, 2021 11:22 AM
Not to worry. I'm sure the National Man Boy Lincoln Project has room for him.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 13, 2021 11:24 AM (m+jkK)
Posted by: The Amazon Collective at October 13, 2021 11:24 AM (w9Wax)
So you can't claim that there's voter fraud because you don't have evidence. And you can't investigate to uncover evidence because you don't have evidence. Pretty airtight.
Posted by: Alec Leamas at October 13, 2021 11:24 AM (ssz2a)
soon after the UK jab program began there were reports of young healthy British Air pilots dying, but not in flight.
Posted by: kallisto at October 13, 2021 11:24 AM (DJFLF)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the West with Leone at October 13, 2021 11:23 AM (LvTSG)
He kept spending his pants allowance on star wars collectibles and funyuns.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 13, 2021 11:24 AM (kJFlV)
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Airline pilot unions are very strong, but for airline pilots to strike is a very complicated process. In short, the company and union have to go through a protracted routine with the Nat'l. Labor Relations Board to get permission to go on strike. Any action take by the union before that -- like a sickout or a vax-out -- has federal legal penalties. Some pilots' unions have carried out sickouts, but they will never, never admit to doing such a thing.
Posted by: RNB at October 13, 2021 11:24 AM (DjjZJ)
Posted by: Skip's Phone at October 13, 2021 11:16 AM (eQrhb)
And their Headquarters is in Texas, which made forcing people to get the jab, illegal.
Posted by: Romeo13 at October 13, 2021 11:24 AM (oHd/0)
Posted by: USNtakim deplorable still. at October 13, 2021 11:22 AM (0OmEj)
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I've been looking into this because it affects several close family members. EOs have been signed for both federal employees and federal contractors. There have been no EOs signed for private companies yet. Of course, some private companies have declared their own vaccine mandate.
Posted by: bluebell at October 13, 2021 11:24 AM (wyw4S)
All the LOLs.....
Posted by: Azathoth at October 13, 2021 11:22 AM (a/0xb)
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Baal required a sacrifice?
Posted by: Curly Shuffle at October 13, 2021 11:25 AM (TNyrE)
@politicoalex
News - Peter Thiel is lining up against Liz Cheney, donating to her primary challenger
Thiel is emerging as a financial force against Trump impeachment backers. He's also bolstering Herrera Beutler challenger Joe Kent
Posted by: redridinghood at October 13, 2021 11:25 AM (NpAcC)
As a side note, funny how just in the last day the MSM is telling people to *not* take aspirin, eh?
OK, not funny: EVIL.
Posted by: Lizzy at October 13, 2021 11:25 AM (bDqIh)
All the LOLs.....
Posted by: Azathoth at October 13, 2021 11:22 AM (a/0xb)
He must have not been bringing in the requisite number of young twinks. Because what else could be the reason? His writing stinks?
Posted by: flounder at October 13, 2021 11:25 AM (KnJdm)
Posted by: huerfano at October 13, 2021 11:12 AM (MzKgG)
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Fortunately, our betters have been preparing for this, comrade, by mainlining tens of thousands of recently arrived young, illiterate, third-world, peasant Muslim men into flight schools at taxpayer expense!
What could go wrong?
Posted by: ShainS -- State-Stamped Sluggish Schizophrenic at October 13, 2021 11:25 AM (WIfAR)
Posted by: CAPT Constitution at October 13, 2021 11:21 AM (WCWLA)
We did, and Heidi is facing the same ultimatum. Next action they take I will also donate. WTF. Beats donating to the GOP.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at October 13, 2021 11:25 AM (RoIW/)
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at October 13, 2021 11:25 AM (y7KuV)
@politicoalex
News - Peter Thiel is lining up against Liz Cheney, donating to her primary challenger
Thiel is emerging as a financial force against Trump impeachment backers. He's also bolstering Herrera Beutler challenger Joe Kent
Posted by: redridinghood at October 13, 2021 11:25 AM (NpAcC)
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Better than the Koch brothers.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the West with Leone at October 13, 2021 11:25 AM (LvTSG)
Posted by: USNtakim deplorable still. at October 13, 2021 11:22 AM (0OmEj)
The only EO is the one for federal employees.
Posted by: Jordan61 at October 13, 2021 11:25 AM (Ez6QX)
Posted by: Azathoth at October 13, 2021 11:25 AM (a/0xb)
Posted by: steevy at October 13, 2021 11:26 AM (CYnTg)
Posted by: Albert Schwartz at October 13, 2021 11:26 AM (zHbOW)
He recommends no shot until results are back.
Posted by: DanMan at October 13, 2021 11:26 AM (R9azm)
Since the spike causes clotting, that would make perfect sense so low dose aspirin might also help with clotting side effects of being vaxxed.
Posted by: whig at October 13, 2021 11:26 AM (9hXN1)
That was 3 weeks ago and no word back. I told them to LOLGF and they LOLGFed. Because if they kick me out they're fucked 100X more than I'm fucked. I'll get another client in a couple of hours. They'll be looking for someone with my skillset for months.
People need to start calling their bluff.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at October 13, 2021 11:27 AM (OalnH)
Posted by: flounder at October 13, 2021 11:25 AM (KnJdm)
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I first assumed you meant Twinkies to eat -- but I guess that also works in their case with twinks, too.
Posted by: ShainS -- State-Stamped Sluggish Schizophrenic at October 13, 2021 11:27 AM (WIfAR)
Posted by: Alec Leamas at October 13, 2021 11:24 AM (ssz2a)
Like Kamala at a job fair.
Posted by: flounder at October 13, 2021 11:27 AM (KnJdm)
Posted by: Jordan61 at October 13, 2021 11:25 AM (Ez6QX)
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And, sadly, for federal contractors.
Posted by: bluebell at October 13, 2021 11:27 AM (wyw4S)
Posted by: DanMan at October 13, 2021 11:28 AM (R9azm)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 13, 2021 11:28 AM (63Dwl)
Posted by: Jmel
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The people that promote socialist policy are the cause.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 13, 2021 11:28 AM (lDew/)
Posted by: wth at October 13, 2021 11:28 AM (v0R5T)
"Can we see proof of your vaccination?"
"No."
"Well, are you vaccinated?"
"I don't see what that has to do with anything."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the West with Leone at October 13, 2021 11:29 AM (LvTSG)
Posted by: ShainS -- State-Stamped Sluggish Schizophrenic at October 13, 2021 11:27 AM (WIfAR)
Twinks = minor gay or curious men, yes? I don't know if I was using that right, and I was too tired to bother looking it up.
Posted by: flounder at October 13, 2021 11:29 AM (KnJdm)
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at October 13, 2021 11:29 AM (OalnH)
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 13, 2021 11:29 AM (bkUtD)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 13, 2021 11:28 AM
They bought their tickets...they knew what they were getting into.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 13, 2021 11:29 AM (m+jkK)
Posted by: whig at October 13, 2021 11:24 AM (9hXN1)
Yeah. They did it right.
The engineers here forgot that you need business guys to you know, run the business, and a BD guy to, you know, go find new contracts and sell the product.
It was pretty funny.
Posted by: Diogenes at October 13, 2021 11:29 AM (axyOa)
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Even better...the perfect opportunity to "relax" the standards that typically keep the peoples of colors out. Or wymens.
Which brings me to a thought. If I had to get on a jetliner, I don't know why, but I would not choose to have a woman pilot.
Posted by: Lady in Black at October 13, 2021 11:30 AM (sVtYq)
Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at October 13, 2021 11:15 AM
WEF Authors - Gary C Kelly: Why Leadership is Only Ever About People - March 30, 2015
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/authors/gary-kelly
Posted by: Tall Cool Gentleman in a Black Suit at October 13, 2021 11:30 AM (Do5/p)
That turns out to have been a bad assumption.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at October 13, 2021 11:30 AM (I2/tG)
Since the spike causes clotting, that would make perfect sense so low dose aspirin might also help with clotting side effects of being vaxxed.
Posted by: whig at October 13, 2021 11:26 AM (9hXN1)
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Hey, whig, good to see you.
Recently had a medical procedure and the doc said not to stop taking aspirin.
Causes one to wonder just how much bleeding aspirin causes and how much push money went into acetaminophen.
Posted by: Braenyard at October 13, 2021 11:30 AM (+yuVD)
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 13, 2021 11:29 AM (m+jkK)
I say, let them crash.
Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at October 13, 2021 11:30 AM (CjHGv)
Posted by: Catherine at October 13, 2021 11:30 AM (LW9Au)
Posted by: Moron Robbie
I'm so old, I remember when it was just two weeks to flatten the curve.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 13, 2021 11:30 AM (OCTRt)
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at October 13, 2021 11:27 AM (OalnH)
Freedom really comes down to one thing... the ability to say NO, and have it stick.
Posted by: Romeo13 at October 13, 2021 11:30 AM (oHd/0)
Thiel is a terrible enemy to have.
Posted by: Nick Denton at October 13, 2021 11:30 AM (cTqLg)
Posted by: joe kidtoucher at October 13, 2021 11:31 AM (HVMmF)
PA's data is kept by the state dept of health. Maybe your state has a similar file.
Posted by: kallisto at October 13, 2021 11:31 AM (DJFLF)
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 13, 2021 11:29 AM (bkUtD)
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Corporate tyranny is surprisingly difficult to execute sometimes.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the West with Leone at October 13, 2021 11:31 AM (LvTSG)
Posted by: Roy at October 13, 2021 11:31 AM (Ti+Tv)
Think they would find their spines to resist those orders, or is it just orders that screw over their employees they will follow?
Posted by: Chris Toufexis at October 13, 2021 11:31 AM (Lxwdo)
Since the spike causes clotting, that would make perfect sense so low dose aspirin might also help with clotting side effects of being vaxxed.
Exactly! I only learned about aspirin being a treatment for covid (at the outset, not when it gets bad) a few weeks back when Tucker had Dr. Siegel on to discuss the available covide treatments. Then found a Fox News site article from March 2021 about a study in Israel confirming that baby aspirin tab per day significantly reduces chances you end up in hospital on a ventillator (~50%).
This is why it's so evil the usual crowd suddenly started telling people taking aspirin is dangerous. It's cheap and accessible, and could help w/clot shot and also w/covid should you get it.
Posted by: Lizzy at October 13, 2021 11:31 AM (bDqIh)
Posted by: CAPT Constitution at October 13, 2021 11:21 AM (WCWLA)
I'm going to share that with son.
Also, I don't think they *can* put a lot of these employees on unpaid leave. They are very shorthanded as it is.
Posted by: Jordan61 at October 13, 2021 11:31 AM (Ez6QX)
Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at October 13, 2021 11:18 AM
The Railway Labor Act.
Seriously.
Posted by: Chuck C at October 13, 2021 11:24 AM (EughT)
Thanks Chuck. I knew it was something like that but couldn't recall.
Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at October 13, 2021 11:31 AM (8D42x)
Whig, try searching for the videos of people having their newly vaxxed arms cupped in that injection area (athletes use cupping. Powerful suction to bring blood into the muscle for recovery).
The end result is extracting one large clot that looks like cranberry sauce through the tiny holes and incisions made in the cupped area after the initial cupping before the final cupping.
(cupped and cupping is fun to use
Posted by: Widespread Pepe at October 13, 2021 11:31 AM (KqI8+)
Posted by: Lesko Brandon at October 13, 2021 11:31 AM (0OmEj)
Posted by: FBI-Florida-Trained Arab pilots at October 13, 2021 11:31 AM (ELgVT)
Wait until you try to run an electric utility without linemen.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at October 13, 2021 11:31 AM (I2/tG)
Posted by: Jordan61 at October 13, 2021 11:25 AM (Ez6QX)
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And, sadly, for federal contractors.
Posted by: bluebell at October 13, 2021 11:27 AM (wyw4S)
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Yes, this.
I'm consulting for a firm in the Beltway and received my notice last week that referenced the directive.
Posted by: Diogenes at October 13, 2021 11:31 AM (axyOa)
This is like the Loudon Co School Board Chief saying 'we have no record of sexual assualt.' Because they didn't record the event the event never occured.
Posted by: Puddin Head at October 13, 2021 11:31 AM (fWTJL)
Posted by: Catherine at October 13, 2021 11:31 AM (LW9Au)
Posted by: It's me donna at October 13, 2021 11:32 AM (RLGan)
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at October 13, 2021 11:32 AM (iDcra)
Posted by: Lesko Brandon at October 13, 2021 11:31 AM (0OmEj)
It's got legs
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Failure happens, giving up is a choice at October 13, 2021 11:32 AM (V6f9+)
That was 3 weeks ago and no word back. I told them to LOLGF and they LOLGFed. Because if they kick me out they're fucked 100X more than I'm fucked. I'll get another client in a couple of hours. They'll be looking for someone with my skillset for months.
People need to start calling their bluff.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at October 13, 2021 11:27 AM (OalnH)
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I used this exact kind of leverage my entire career when having to work for and with asshats: "You need me far more than I need you."
Something like this really needs to become national war cry on par with "Let's Go Brandon!" Let's unite the clans nationwide ...
Posted by: ShainS -- State-Stamped Sluggish Schizophrenic at October 13, 2021 11:32 AM (YaDV2)
Posted by: Braenyard at October 13, 2021 11:32 AM (+yuVD)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the West with Leone
Yeah, thank the Lord.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 13, 2021 11:33 AM (bkUtD)
Are you saying the CEO is not backing down?
Posted by: Lizzy at October 13, 2021 11:33 AM (bDqIh)
People need to start calling their bluff.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at October 13, 2021 11:27 AM (OalnH)
My guess is that right now they are on a frantic search to get a replacement for you.
Posted by: kallisto at October 13, 2021 11:33 AM (DJFLF)
Posted by: Max Power at October 13, 2021 11:33 AM (QCc6B)
I can't figure out why the Airlines would support Biden.... the guy who is destroying their business, by driving up costs due to fuel prices.
Posted by: Romeo13 at October 13, 2021 11:33 AM (oHd/0)
I can't figure out why the Airlines would support Biden.... the guy who is destroying their business, by driving up costs due to fuel prices.
Posted by: Romeo13 at October 13, 2021 11:33 AM (oHd/0)
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Because Airlines are run by CEOs who are more interested in being on the right side of their class than running their businesses well.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the West with Leone at October 13, 2021 11:34 AM (LvTSG)
Pilots: *chuckles* "Um, whose gonna fly the planes? By the way, I'll be sick tomorrow. And by I'll, I mean "we". Like a few hundred "we".
CEO: "Good point. Did I say you're fired? What I meant is, you don't have to take the shot."
Pilot: *rifles through labor agreement* "Nope".
Posted by: Marcus T at October 13, 2021 11:34 AM (3P+Du)
Wait until you try to run an electric utility without linemen.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at October 13, 2021 11:31 AM (I2/tG)
Or shipping ports without longshoremen, or truck drivers.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed - FJB at October 13, 2021 11:34 AM (N39Ws)
In obiter dicta (extraneous reasoning that did not apply to the heart of the case facts at hand), the Court said that their decision should not be read as requiring vaccination if the result for an individual would be death or impaired health. Which might explain why the CDC and others are so adamant about covering up harmful side effects.
Posted by: whig at October 13, 2021 11:34 AM (9hXN1)
Posted by: Lizzy at October 13, 2021 11:33 AM (bDqIh)
Correct. They will require the shot and currently they are acting like termination is on the table.
Posted by: Catherine at October 13, 2021 11:34 AM (LW9Au)
And EO is not a law.
We as a nation need to start ignoring all EO. ALL of them.
If it's really that fucking important, pass a law. The Executive Branch is not supposed to be legislating in a Republic.
....but there I go, talking about the long, long ago....this is no longer a Republic
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Failure happens, giving up is a choice at October 13, 2021 11:34 AM (V6f9+)
Posted by: SMOD at October 13, 2021 11:34 AM (RHGPo)
Posted by: Droolin' Joe Biden! at October 13, 2021 11:34 AM (I2/tG)
Posted by: Romeo13 at October 13, 2021 11:33 AM (oHd/0)
Like a person with an abusive spouse... They just can't seem to quit them (Democrats)
Posted by: It's me donna at October 13, 2021 11:34 AM (RLGan)
Posted by: Braenyard at October 13, 2021 11:32 AM (+yuVD)
NO, unless its changed in the last 24 hours. United is under a Temp Restraining Order from a Judge, until he has a chance to decide the merits of the vaccine order.
Posted by: Romeo13 at October 13, 2021 11:34 AM (oHd/0)
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Listen to this SC doctor tell you about ivermectin, spoilers, only two deaths at October 13, 2021 11:35 AM (6Y/Rl)
Because they know that Joe will continue to bail them out with your money.
Posted by: pep at October 13, 2021 11:35 AM (ZsR3z)
Now what do I do? I can blame him publicly, but you people have seen what these fascists do to anyone who gets out of line! I don't know, man. I'm totally screwed.
Posted by: Gary Kelly, CEO at October 13, 2021 11:35 AM (FJYfm)
Posted by: Notorious BFD at October 13, 2021 11:35 AM (Xrfse)
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed - FJB at October 13, 2021 11:35 AM (N39Ws)
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If the point of the exercise to kill the elderly then it makes perfect sense.
Posted by: Puddin Head at October 13, 2021 11:35 AM (fWTJL)
Posted by: Widespread Pepe at October 13, 2021 11:31 AM (KqI8+)
I got 'cupped' once as part of a massage. gees. She got carried away and I looked like I lost a fight with a giant octopus. Dark red circles everywhere. It was scary looking. She had fun though.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at October 13, 2021 11:35 AM (RoIW/)
They are getting billions in bailout money and look to get billions more. Airlines are quasi-public utilities.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at October 13, 2021 11:35 AM (BMmaB)
Posted by: Romeo13 at October 13, 2021 11:30 AM (oHd/0)
Romeo13, I like this and was going to modify it slightly by saying Liberty...but its good as is.
Posted by: Diogenes at October 13, 2021 11:35 AM (axyOa)
Posted by: Romeo13 at October 13, 2021 11:33 AM (oHd/0)
Remember the bailouts during the shutdown. That's why. It's the leverage the cabal is currently using.
Posted by: Catherine at October 13, 2021 11:35 AM (LW9Au)
As a side note, funny how just in the last day the MSM is telling people to *not* take aspirin, eh?
OK, not funny: EVIL.
Posted by: Lizzy at October 13, 2021 11:25 AM (bDqIh)
you know, i saw this pop up in news feeds a day or two ago and couldn't figure out why they were now deciding this. i mean, most docs have been pretty steadfast on aspirin for susceptible persons for many many years.
but suddenly, it's now a bad idea...? weird
Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at October 13, 2021 11:36 AM (8D42x)
Posted by: pep at October 13, 2021 11:36 AM (ZsR3z)
Posted by: Lizzy at October 13, 2021 11:31 AM (bDqIh)
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It is. It's also absurd to an insane degree. Aspirin has been around for an extremely long time, is in virtually everyone's medicine cabinet, is generally useful, etc. Claiming "aspirin is super dangerous, you guys" is bonkers and I'd like to think that it can't possibly work.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 13, 2021 11:36 AM (DU+/6)
Posted by: Humphreyrobot at October 13, 2021 11:36 AM (IMmgC)
Posted by: wth at October 13, 2021 11:36 AM (v0R5T)
Posted by: Notorious BFD at October 13, 2021 11:35 AM (Xrfse)
One of my coworkers proudly announced that at her Thanksgiving bash, only the vaccinated will be allowed to attend.
Thought bubble over my head: " I guess she doesn't know..."
Posted by: kallisto at October 13, 2021 11:36 AM (DJFLF)
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No. At least not yet. Biden did a press release about ordering OSHA to do this thing. But, so far, OSHA has not done the thing. Southwest is not under a governmental requirement to have its employees vaccinated. They are just itching to come compliance like the good fascists they are.
Kind of disappointing. I used to think that Southwest was a cut above the rest of the airlines.
Posted by: Tech N9ne at October 13, 2021 11:37 AM (vlXMQ)
The goal is to deceive you into unwise actions in spite of contrary evidence in plain view.
If you believe us and make the bad choice, it is your fault and our victory. We have not actually *done* anything.
Posted by: Take The Apple at October 13, 2021 11:37 AM (l0Lgi)
Sure, since they can also double as radios in case you have to ditch.
Posted by: The Professor at October 13, 2021 11:37 AM (ZsR3z)
Huh, I heard it was a big flop.
Posted by: pep at October 13, 2021 11:36 AM (ZsR3z)
Enthusiasm is sagging.
Posted by: wth at October 13, 2021 11:37 AM (v0R5T)
Posted by: Skip's Phone at October 13, 2021 11:37 AM (eQrhb)
Posted by: Puddin Head at October 13, 2021 11:37 AM (fWTJL)
Posted by: NoOne NoHow at October 13, 2021 11:37 AM (vlXMQ)
Posted by: No One of Consequence at October 13, 2021 11:37 AM (CAJOC)
Posted by: Lesko Brandon at October 13, 2021 11:31 AM (0OmEj)
It's got legs
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Failure happens, giving up is a choice
Hairy ones ?
Like you-know-who ?
Posted by: JT at October 13, 2021 11:37 AM (arJlL)
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I'm asssuming it's because what his employees are doing is illegal and he doesn't want to have to fire them or give Biden an excuse to fire them.
Posted by: 29Victor at October 13, 2021 11:38 AM (BJKQV)
Posted by: Romeo13
I would surmise the airlines would be fine without being on the government dole. Just say no, and you can have your freedoms back. In theory, anyway.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 13, 2021 11:38 AM (bkUtD)
Right now, all we have is an executive order to federal contractors which might or might not be valid. There is no administrative rule by OSHA or even a proposed one for notice and comment the last time that I checked. There is also not a statute passed by Congress that gives the feds the power to issue vaccination mandates except perhaps to travelers regulated by the commerce clause or crossing national boundaries.
Posted by: whig at October 13, 2021 11:38 AM (9hXN1)
Huh, I heard it was a big flop.
Posted by: pep at October 13, 2021 11:36 AM (ZsR3z)
Somebody get Joe Mannix on it ASAP!
Posted by: Diogenes at October 13, 2021 11:38 AM (axyOa)
Posted by: whig at October 13, 2021 11:34 AM (9hXN1)
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The other part of that 1905 law was "or else pay a fine of $5." Which I heard on the Joe Rogan/Alex Berenson interview is equivalent to $150 in today's money.
I think people would gladly pay $150 not to have to take this vaccine.
Posted by: bluebell at October 13, 2021 11:38 AM (wyw4S)
Posted by: wth
NO!!! Save The Coconuts From Needless Slaughter!
Posted by: t-bird at October 13, 2021 11:38 AM (jacU8)
They aren't requiring us to get vax, but some of the clients we have are requiring it.
We also have a mission critical environments division that is all government contracting so all that personnel has to be vaxed no questions asked.
I MAYYYYY be able to thread the needle but if push comes to shove, I'll retire before I get the Vaccine*.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 13, 2021 11:39 AM (//7LJ)
Posted by: Romeo13 at October 13, 2021 11:33 AM (oHd/0)
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American Airlines showed a profit last quarter. BECAUSE OF GOVERNMENT BAILOUT. AA was proud of this and their stock went up. It is a crazy world under the Biden communist junta.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at October 13, 2021 11:39 AM (iDcra)
Huh, I heard it was a big flop.
Posted by: pep at October 13, 2021 11:36 AM (ZsR3z)
Seems to have perked up in cold areas of the country.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at October 13, 2021 11:39 AM (RoIW/)
Posted by: steevy at October 13, 2021 11:39 AM (CYnTg)
We'll need them if cavalry is ever to make a comeback.
Posted by: pep at October 13, 2021 11:39 AM (ZsR3z)
Because Airlines are run by CEOs who are more interested in being on the right side of their class than running their businesses well.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the West with Leone at October 13, 2021 11:34 AM (LvTSG)
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Never, ever, associate with peasants.
...pull...
Posted by: Braenyard at October 13, 2021 11:39 AM (+yuVD)
Josh Blackman has been writing about this. In Jacobsen, the actual consequence of not getting vaccinated was to pay a nominal fine. Jacobsen stands for the principle that the government can fine you for not getting vaccinated, not that the government can force you to take a vaccination. A lot of people on both sides are misconstruing what the case actually says.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at October 13, 2021 11:39 AM (BMmaB)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison,
Because it's not THEIR business. They didn't build that.
Herb Kellerher did.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 13, 2021 11:39 AM (OCTRt)
****
Firing airline workers and pilots seems like an ultra smart move for an airline...
**looks at calendar**
...two weeks before November.
Posted by: Azathoth at October 13, 2021 11:39 AM (a/0xb)
Posted by: No One of Consequence at October 13, 2021 11:37 AM (CAJOC)
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No. At least, not yet.
Posted by: bluebell at October 13, 2021 11:39 AM (wyw4S)
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at October 13, 2021 11:35 AM (RoIW/)
was that before or after the hot iron?
Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at October 13, 2021 11:39 AM (8D42x)
Joy Pullmann, executive editor of The Federalist, wrote Thursday: "It's all a mirage. Biden's so-called vaccine mandate doesn't exist -- at least, not yet. So far, all we have is his press conference and other such made-for-media huff-puffing. No such rule even claiming to be legally binding has been issued yet." But there is apparently a method to this madness: As long as there is no actual mandate, the Biden administration can't be taken to court for issuing one. "That's why nearly two dozen Republican attorneys general who have publicly voiced their opposition to the clearly unconstitutional and illegal mandate haven't yet filed suit against it."
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 13, 2021 11:39 AM (63Dwl)
OK, not funny: EVIL.
Posted by: Lizzy at October 13, 2021 11:25 AM (bDqIh)
I had a coworker tell me a few years ago (before the 'rona) that if she ever felt like she was getting sick she would take an aspirin in the morning and one at night until she felt better. I've kept a bunch on hand ever since.
Posted by: Jordan61 at October 13, 2021 11:39 AM (Ez6QX)
Posted by: Catherine at October 13, 2021 11:35 AM (LW9Au)
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Plus the big mega-carriers - United, Delta and American - probably know that this ends only one way: with contraction consolidation and nationalization into a flagship carrier like most other countries have. They're likely jockeying for position on that now, to become the new national flag carrier as it all implodes.
The large carriers like SWA and Frontier will become national/regional carriers on a different playing field. The rest will die.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 13, 2021 11:39 AM (DU+/6)
Posted by: wth
NO!!! Save The Coconuts From Needless Slaughter!
Posted by: t-bird at October 13, 2021 11:38 AM (jacU
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Right! Make 'em go around bra-less!
Posted by: No One of Consequence at October 13, 2021 11:39 AM (CAJOC)
...
"We're not going to fire any employees over this.
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the whole damn thing is a bluff. The govt didn't pass a law and the president didn't sign anything. The companies will have their asses in the wind if they fire anyone. so they won't. It is just harrassment.
Posted by: bullies at October 13, 2021 11:39 AM (al00h)
First, think the CEO is a member of World Economic Forum, so he's likely on board with The Great Reset.
Second, SW got $3.2 billion to stay afloat during lockdown as well as (IIRC) having a contract w/DHS to fly illegals. This is how the government gets a business to do its bidding: threatens to cut off future bailout funds and contracts.
Posted by: Lizzy at October 13, 2021 11:40 AM (bDqIh)
Posted by: Puddin Head at October 13, 2021 11:37 AM (fWTJL)
If so, it's a questionable strategy. Older people are more likely: 1. To take the shot, since Covid really only affects people over 50; and 2. To do whatever their employer tells them, since the alternative is to start over at another employer.
Posted by: Wally at October 13, 2021 11:40 AM (FJYfm)
Posted by: Jonah Goldberg at October 13, 2021 11:40 AM (sTOQ8)
Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 13, 2021 11:39 AM (//7LJ)
There's also lying and fraud to fall back on, if needed.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Failure happens, giving up is a choice at October 13, 2021 11:40 AM (V6f9+)
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 13, 2021 11:29 AM
My wild guess is he *doesn't* want to fire the employees. He may have misread the mood, may have gotten bad legal advice, and now he wants to backtrack without looking like he is backing down. His mention of accommodations may have been "just fill out this form and give *any* reason that can possibly be justified"
Southwest has never had a strike. I doubt he wants to be the first CEO of Southwest to cause one.
Posted by: Chuck C at October 13, 2021 11:40 AM (EughT)
Posted by: Beartooth at October 13, 2021 11:40 AM (68WvR)
Posted by: Sponge - Michael Byrd MURDERED Ashli Babbitt at October 13, 2021 11:40 AM (IXZGh)
Posted by: Sponge - Michael Byrd MURDERED Ashli Babbitt at October 13, 2021 11:40 AM (IXZGh)
Posted by: Tech N9ne at October 13, 2021 11:37 AM (vlXMQ)
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Herb Keller is dead.
Posted by: Braenyard at October 13, 2021 11:40 AM (+yuVD)
DeSantis to stranded cargo ships: Come here, we can do what CA is too inept and stupid to do. Florida is where businesses flourish.
https://tinyurl.com/yeaneqde
Posted by: Tami at October 13, 2021 11:40 AM (cF8AT)
CEO says it's a presidential order. My understanding is, no EO has been issued, no process has been initiated with OSHA or any other Federal agency, and it's not even clear thatvit would be legal to mandate medicine that has only emergency use authorization.
I thought all there was, was a statement of intent at a press conference, and then none of the required followup whatsoever. Like, the administration wants to get compliance without actually ordering it.
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at October 13, 2021 11:40 AM (dUOaI)
Posted by: Puddin Head at October 13, 2021 11:37 AM (fWTJL)
Won't work. They have been hiring forever and cannot replace all the early retirements. Pilots are hard to find and expensive to train. And SW pays overtime to every pilot and FO every paycheck for the trips they pick up. Well, did pick up.
Posted by: Catherine at October 13, 2021 11:41 AM (jV5jk)
Posted by: Tech N9ne at October 13, 2021 11:37 AM (vlXMQ)
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Old CEO yes it was. New and current POS CEO, NO it's not.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at October 13, 2021 11:41 AM (iDcra)
Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at October 13, 2021 11:39 AM (8D42x)
One of the funniest threads....
IF I WASN'T BLEEDING TO DEATH AT THE TIME!
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at October 13, 2021 11:41 AM (RoIW/)
Posted by: Some douchbag on Prom Night at October 13, 2021 11:41 AM (ESjRY)
Posted by: No One of Consequence at October 13, 2021 11:37 AM (CAJOC)
**
That was the one that was going through OSHA from what I understand, and no, last I heard OSHA came out and said they couldn't do it.
Employers are firing employees for fun. I'm assuming to re-hire overseas to do the online positions American workers perfected last year, and to get big ol' payouts from the feds for having to let so many people go.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Listen to this SC doctor tell you about ivermectin, spoilers, only two deaths at October 13, 2021 11:41 AM (6Y/Rl)
Huh, I heard it was a big flop.
Posted by: pep at October 13, 2021 11:36 AM (ZsR3z)
Seems to have perked up in cold areas of the country.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at October 13, 2021 11:39 AM (RoIW/)
I think tits a good thing.
Posted by: Diogenes at October 13, 2021 11:41 AM (axyOa)
Posted by: whig at October 13, 2021 11:41 AM (9hXN1)
>>Right now, all we have is an executive order to federal contractors
Is there even an executive or did the Junta do what it did with the dreamers and simply issue a memorandum of understanding?
Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 13, 2021 11:41 AM (//7LJ)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Failure happens, giving up is a choice at October 13, 2021 11:41 AM (V6f9+)
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at October 13, 2021 11:41 AM (ufFY8)
That's also a possibility, but he's been back and forth the last week or two, it's difficult to know what he really thinks.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 13, 2021 11:42 AM (bkUtD)
Posted by: Lizzo, making transparent clothes a "thing" at October 13, 2021 11:42 AM (bDqIh)
Posted by: The Limbo Poll at October 13, 2021 11:42 AM (HgGBT)
Not illegal, but it would violate the collective bargaining agreement, so the airline and the union are both holding the line that there is no organized work stoppage.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at October 13, 2021 11:42 AM (BMmaB)
Posted by: pep at October 13, 2021 11:42 AM (ZsR3z)
Posted by: t-bird at October 13, 2021 11:38 AM (jacU
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No skin off my beak.
Posted by: An African Swallow at October 13, 2021 11:42 AM (LBiAf)
I'm so glad I don't have to fly as part of my work, and am within driving distance for most family. All family if I can take an extra day to get there.
Posted by: PaleRider, wrecker vaccine resister at October 13, 2021 11:42 AM (pxVvf)
Because Republicans won't do anything to you if you do follow Biden's diktats, and Democrats will.
Posted by: 18-1 at October 13, 2021 11:42 AM (ESjRY)
Posted by: whig at October 13, 2021 11:38 AM (9hXN1)
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whig, I found something about that. Give me a minute and I'll give you the links.
Posted by: bluebell at October 13, 2021 11:42 AM (wyw4S)
The entire airline industry functions only by government subsidy. Without govt, there'd be no 'profit' in it.
Posted by: Peel gp A Grape at October 13, 2021 11:42 AM (qpX6U)
The Todd's and Karen's are not feeling enough pain yet.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 13, 2021 11:42 AM (BFigT)
Also when they target you...they target the whole family.
Posted by: Humphreyrobot at October 13, 2021 11:42 AM (IMmgC)
Posted by: bluebell at October 13, 2021 11:38 AM (wyw4S)
Considering one local employer paid each employee $300 to take the jab, and over in Baton Rouge they are offering to expunge felony convictions just for getting jabbed...
A buck fiddy is cheap.
Posted by: GnuBreed at October 13, 2021 11:43 AM (F0YaR)
Huh, I heard it was a big flop.
Posted by: pep at October 13, 2021 11:36 AM (ZsR3z)
Seems to have perked up in cold areas of the country.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at October 13, 2021 11:39 AM (RoIW/)
now would be a good time to explore some ski slope jumps...
Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at October 13, 2021 11:43 AM (8D42x)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.
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The pilot observed the towering clouds, and cinched his seat belt a little tighter.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 13, 2021 11:43 AM (lDew/)
Sure, since they can also double as radios in case you have to ditch.
Posted by: The Professor at October 13, 2021 11:37 AM (ZsR3z)
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"Come in, Tokyo!"
Posted by: 6-4-3 at October 13, 2021 11:43 AM (R6xOg)
Posted by: steevy at October 13, 2021 11:43 AM (CYnTg)
Article 1
All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.
I don't see any thing about executive orders or any thing of bureaucratic orders.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at October 13, 2021 11:43 AM (iDcra)
1. Show proof of vaccination
2. Be able to stop laughing at the fact that their home arena is named Climate Pledge Arena.
Posted by: Muldoon at October 13, 2021 11:43 AM (5Woea)
My guess would be the anticoagulant benefit of aspirin is what's at work. I know in the UK there's a clinical trial to give Eliquis to COVID patients to prevent clotting.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at October 13, 2021 11:43 AM (BMmaB)
I think you nailed it.
Posted by: pep at October 13, 2021 11:44 AM (ZsR3z)
Posted by: whig at October 13, 2021 11:41 AM (9hXN1)
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Yeah. Thus the common advice "don't take Aspirin if you have the flu or a cold, especially if you're young." That's been around my whole life, and probably everyone on this board's whole life.
Doesn't mean aspirin is dangerous, and moving against aspirin because of that is irrational and clearly not the real reason.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 13, 2021 11:44 AM (DU+/6)
Is this really something you need evidence for?
Posted by: Ace at 12:11 PM
This statement all liars make, that there is no evidence, is bullshit. Press secretaries, PR flacks, CEO's, they're all starting to sound like mob lawyers just bald-face lying their asses off because.
What the fuck is evidence by their standards? Items actually entered into evidence by a LE agency or into court during a trial? Is that the new standard for "evidence?"
So what you can see with your own eyes if you're in an airport or looking at their website isn't evidence.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at October 13, 2021 11:44 AM (MFphb)
If you have had the two shot version of covid vaccine you should have your flu shot in your butt so that you don't commingle the covid vaccine in the flu vaccine has you could have an interaction or reduced protection.
Posted by: Dr. Google at October 13, 2021 11:44 AM (LSBRk)
2. Be able to stop laughing at the fact that their home arena is named Climate Pledge Arena.
Posted by: Muldoon
My kids think they should name the arena the Krakhouse.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 13, 2021 11:44 AM (bkUtD)
Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at October 13, 2021 11:44 AM (5HBd1)
Posted by: steevy at October 13, 2021 11:44 AM (CYnTg)
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at October 13, 2021 11:43 AM
*waves*
- The Administrative Procedures Act
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 13, 2021 11:44 AM (m+jkK)
Posted by: SMOD at October 13, 2021 11:34 AM (RHGPo)
So they're going to try to push vaxmaxxing as a thing?
Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at October 13, 2021 11:44 AM (cSs/W)
Posted by: DD at October 13, 2021 11:44 AM (SchQD)
The whole executive order thingy is muddled as many of what Obama and other presidents did was issue statements that were then taken by the agencies as memorandums, etc.
Here is Sept. 9th order from Biden junta which delegates executive power to regulate to a federal task force.
https://tinyurl.com/zm7vk584
Posted by: whig at October 13, 2021 11:45 AM (9hXN1)
Biden employer vaccine mandate could be finalized as early as next week
https://tinyurl.com/yjgxtgke
Posted by: Tami at October 13, 2021 11:45 AM (cF8AT)
Posted by: SMOD at October 13, 2021 11:45 AM (RHGPo)
Article 1
All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.
I don't see any thing about executive orders or any thing of bureaucratic orders.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at October 13, 2021 11:43 AM (iDcra)
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*whistles innocently*
-SCOTUS...and Congress
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the West with Leone at October 13, 2021 11:45 AM (LvTSG)
Posted by: Shocking news at October 13, 2021 11:45 AM (5Ni2n)
Depend on whether the dog feels like posting.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at October 13, 2021 11:45 AM (BMmaB)
Posted by: DD at October 13, 2021 11:45 AM (SchQD)
1. Show proof of vaccination
2. Be able to stop laughing at the fact that their home arena is named Climate Pledge Arena.
Posted by: Muldoon at October 13, 2021 11:43 AM (5Woea)
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I've been watching some of the pre-season games. The climate commercials are hilarious but after an hour or so, they just become sad.
Posted by: Diogenes at October 13, 2021 11:46 AM (axyOa)
A buck fiddy is cheap.
Posted by: GnuBreed
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Wake Forest, NC is paying employees $250. Taxpayer dollars.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 13, 2021 11:46 AM (lDew/)
Posted by: steevy at October 13, 2021 11:46 AM (CYnTg)
@politicoalex
News - Peter Thiel is lining up against Liz Cheney, donating to her primary challenger
Thiel is emerging as a financial force against Trump impeachment backers. He's also bolstering Herrera Beutler challenger Joe Kent
Posted by: redridinghood at October 13, 2021 11:25 AM (NpAcC)
Thiel is the anti Rove. Finding out that JD Vance wants to dump McConnell and Timken and Mandel are squishy on it makes my primary choice much easier.
Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Michael Byrd Murdered Ashli Babbitt at October 13, 2021 11:46 AM (y7DUB)
Posted by: MikeN at October 13, 2021 11:46 AM (Al5NL)
Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at October 13, 2021 11:39 AM (8D42x)
One of the funniest threads....
IF I WASN'T BLEEDING TO DEATH AT THE TIME!
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at October 13, 2021 11:41 AM (RoIW/)
eh, what's a couple pints of blood amongst friends...
Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at October 13, 2021 11:46 AM (8D42x)
Posted by: You know the rules, and so do I at October 13, 2021 11:46 AM (/QSim)
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at October 13, 2021 11:46 AM (C1Lsn)
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at October 13, 2021 11:46 AM (BMmaB)
https://is.gd/o8NZjY
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 13, 2021 11:47 AM (DU+/6)
Posted by: Diogenes at October 13, 2021 11:47 AM (axyOa)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 13, 2021 11:47 AM (63Dwl)
He may want us to do jumping jacks every morning but that doesn't mean we have to.
Posted by: Braenyard at October 13, 2021 11:47 AM (+yuVD)
Posted by: Zeera Hunkering down here, Boss at October 13, 2021 11:47 AM (fC8md)
Homina..homina..homina...
Posted by: pep at October 13, 2021 11:48 AM (ZsR3z)
>>Right now, all we have is an executive order to federal contractors
Is there even an executive or did the Junta do what it did with the dreamers and simply issue a memorandum of understanding?
Posted by: Thomas Bender
There is zero EO. Nothing has been written and entered into the record. The administration just announced it, the media amplified it as if it was Gospel and Law, and of course people believed it including all the heads of companies.
It's all a lie.
Posted by: Widespread Pepe at October 13, 2021 11:48 AM (ylNYd)
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Now imagine you are 10 or 11 and being bombarded by this stuff by your curriculum and your teachers.
Posted by: Know you know why some many kids have anxiety issues at October 13, 2021 11:48 AM (ZEaSo)
Oh, btw, happy No Bra Day everyone!
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-stares at floor-
Posted by: DD at October 13, 2021 11:45 AM (SchQD)
Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. Be better and offer to be a holder.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed - FJB at October 13, 2021 11:48 AM (N39Ws)
**looks at calendar**
...two weeks before November.
Posted by: Azathoth
Firing doctors and nurses in the middle of a pandemic doesn't sound smart, either.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 13, 2021 11:48 AM (OCTRt)
Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 13, 2021 11:42 AM (BFigT)
what man, what have i done to you...
Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at October 13, 2021 11:49 AM (8D42x)
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at October 13, 2021 11:49 AM (iDcra)
Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at October 13, 2021 11:49 AM (5HBd1)
Posted by: bluebell at October 13, 2021 11:38 AM (wyw4S)
Considering one local employer paid each employee $300 to take the jab, and over in Baton Rouge they are offering to expunge felony convictions just for getting jabbed...
A buck fiddy is cheap.
Posted by: GnuBreed at October 13, 2021 11:43 AM (F0YaR)
But if the law says 5$? Then that's the fine unless its been amended.
/looks around for loose change...
Here ya go!
Posted by: Romeo13 at October 13, 2021 11:50 AM (oHd/0)
@politicoalex
News - Peter Thiel is lining up against Liz Cheney, donating to her primary challenger
Thiel is emerging as a financial force against Trump impeachment backers. He's also bolstering Herrera Beutler challenger Joe Kent
Posted by: redridinghood at October 13, 2021 11:25 AM (NpAcC)
Thiel is the anti Rove. Finding out that JD Vance wants to dump McConnell and Timken and Mandel are squishy on it makes my primary choice much easier.
Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Michael Byrd Murdered Ashli Babbitt
Yeah, but the woman running against her is close friends with Liz and the Cheney Family (follow the numerous photos) so...
fake and gay politics as usual.
Posted by: Widespread Pepe at October 13, 2021 11:50 AM (ylNYd)
Posted by: steevy at October 13, 2021 11:50 AM (CYnTg)
Posted by: The Amazon Collective at October 13, 2021 11:24 AM (w9Wax)
Resistance is Feudal
Posted by: JoeF. at October 13, 2021 11:50 AM (mR6Gs)
Posted by: Jordan61 at October 13, 2021 11:25 AM (Ez6QX)
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And, sadly, for federal contractors.
Posted by: bluebell at October 13, 2021 11:27 AM (wyw4S)
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And since pretty much every mid-sized company and up does some work for the federal govt, it applies to everyone. It's the big loophole in all of this.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at October 13, 2021 11:51 AM (OalnH)
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon
Better be 3x their previous rate or they screwed up.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 13, 2021 11:51 AM (OCTRt)
Posted by: No One of Consequence at October 13, 2021 11:39 AM (CAJOC)
From the stewardesses I've seen in the past few years, that might get a tad distasteful. Unless you crave saggapalooza. Granny needs to wear a bra.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at October 13, 2021 11:51 AM (o2MD2)
Posted by: GnuBreed at October 13, 2021 11:43 AM (F0YaR)
Wait, what?
Posted by: Jordan61 at October 13, 2021 11:51 AM (Ez6QX)
True. My daughter was forced out her job for refusing to get vaccinated. Many nurses did and were let go. The hospital then hired contract staff to backfill. Here's the *shocker - the contractor did not have a mandate to have their employees vaccinated and the hospital couldn't force them to do it.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 13, 2021 11:51 AM (BFigT)
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That's tote's lame. I'll save you.
Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at October 13, 2021 11:51 AM (5Ni2n)
Here's the EO for federal contractors:
https://tinyurl.com/yjxupp4c
note: I did a search and the word "vaccine" or "vaccination" does not appear) but it references the Safer Workhouse Taskforce document, where is here:
https://tinyurl.com/2c3drryn - unfortunately, "vaccination" does appear here.
I would love for you to tell me that these don't have legal binding!!!!
Posted by: bluebell at October 13, 2021 11:51 AM (wyw4S)
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at October 13, 2021 11:40 AM (dUOaI)
Exactly right. They expect compliance because of fear that if an EO were ordered at a later date they'd be screwed trying to meet the deadlines and don't want to pay any price re future contracts with Daddy GovBucks.
Or it could be that just like in other fascistic countries, big business cannot wait to flex on the little people to show their allegience to the junta.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at October 13, 2021 11:52 AM (MFphb)
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This has been a trend for years. Management running to lawyers for 'advice'. A lawyer's 'advice' is just that, advice, and it be will tainted by the lawyer's legalistic prejudice.. The lawyer is not judge and jury, the management is.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 13, 2021 11:52 AM (lDew/)
Posted by: Puddin Head at October 13, 2021 11:52 AM (fWTJL)
Posted by: steevy at October 13, 2021 11:53 AM (CYnTg)
True, but modern "management" is largely a CYA exercise.
Posted by: pep at October 13, 2021 11:53 AM (ZsR3z)
The medical company I work for is "strongly recommending" everyone get the Kung Flu shot, but no word whether it's going to be mandatory. I've already told them I'm leaving on 12/31, so if it's mandatory before then, I'll just leave sooner.
My supervisor has also said she won't be getting the shot, and they are going to have a very hard time replacing her.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 13, 2021 11:53 AM (2JVJo)
OSHA/DOL are trying to use an emergency rule procedure to avoid the normal Administrative Practices Act. This is seldom used and often overturned by courts since 1983 regarding an asbestos rule.
Courts tend to take a dim view that an emergency suddenly appears after 18 months or so that allows sidestepping normal APA practices. My guess is that it will be enjoined by judges somewhere as the penalty of 14000 per violation is more than enough to give any employer of 100 or more the power to challenge any implementation of it via standing.
Posted by: whig at October 13, 2021 11:53 AM (9hXN1)
**looks at calendar**
...two weeks before November.
Posted by: Azathoth
Firing doctors and nurses in the middle of a pandemic doesn't sound smart, either.
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*looks at cargo ships stacked up outside of ports*
its almost as if someone is trying to overwhelm the system . . .
Posted by: what's that called again? at October 13, 2021 11:53 AM (xlOqw)
Posted by: Xipe Totec at October 13, 2021 11:51 AM (o2MD2)
Tubetops ftw!
Posted by: BignJames at October 13, 2021 11:53 AM (AwYPR)
Posted by: GnuBreed at October 13, 2021 11:43 AM (F0YaR)
Wait, what?
Posted by: Jordan61 at October 13, 2021 11:51 AM (Ez6QX)
Something tells me that one party isn't going to keep up their end of the bargain.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at October 13, 2021 11:53 AM (mdjgu)
Is this really something you need evidence for?
Posted by: Ace
I don't know, Ace.
Some people might call 1800 canceled flights in two days evidence.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 13, 2021 11:54 AM (OCTRt)
Posted by: Puddin Head at October 13, 2021 11:52 AM (fWTJL)
Right. All the fuckwits I see on the freeway who couldn't drive a nail up a snowman's ass really need flying cars.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at October 13, 2021 11:54 AM (o2MD2)
Posted by: MikeM at October 13, 2021 11:54 AM (5Y7fX)
https://tinyurl.com/68s7vn75
Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 13, 2021 11:54 AM (xWHkZ)
Posted by: Skip's Phone at October 13, 2021 11:54 AM (eQrhb)
Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 13, 2021 11:54 AM (BFigT)
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You think. Do you remember the Clinton Mortgage Ponzi Meltdown that gave us Obama?
Posted by: Puddin Head at October 13, 2021 11:54 AM (fWTJL)
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at October 13, 2021 11:42 AM (BMmaB)
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No, the Railway Labor Act makes it illegal for pilots to do what they are currently doing.
Posted by: 29Victor at October 13, 2021 11:55 AM (BJKQV)
That's the first time I've heard that expression. Like.
Posted by: pep at October 13, 2021 11:55 AM (ZsR3z)
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When we sold our first company we had lawyers come with us to the negotiations. I quickly learned why lawyers are called deal killers. When we sold our other companies they looked over the deals and were not invited to the negotiations.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at October 13, 2021 11:55 AM (iDcra)
Posted by: Xipe Totec at October 13, 2021 11:51 AM (o2MD2)
Tubetops ftw!
Posted by: BignJames at October 13, 2021 11:53 AM (AwYPR)
that's somethign from th e70s that i would support making a comeback...
Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at October 13, 2021 11:55 AM (8D42x)
Posted by: bluebell at October 13, 2021 11:55 AM (wyw4S)
https://youtu.be/LEuoSmW4DRw
Everybody is stumped as to why this is happening, and totally clueless as to how to solve it.
They're just stealing essentials yo.
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at October 13, 2021 11:56 AM (wAnMi)
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 13, 2021 11:56 AM (2JVJo)
Posted by: steevy at October 13, 2021 11:56 AM (CYnTg)
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Rapture. Left Vox behind
Posted by: Shocking news
Crap. We're all here too.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 13, 2021 11:56 AM (OCTRt)
Posted by: steevy at October 13, 2021 11:57 AM (CYnTg)
Posted by: GnuBreed at October 13, 2021 11:43 AM (F0YaR)
So I guy on death row in Angola instead of a three shot cocktail of potassium and curare gets a Pfizer Pfix and he's pfree?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 13, 2021 11:57 AM (s2VJv)
Posted by: flounder at October 13, 2021 11:29 AM (KnJdm)
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Yep, was just attempting to be funny ... emphasis on the word "attempting."
;-)
Posted by: ShainS -- State-Stamped Sluggish Schizophrenic at October 13, 2021 11:57 AM (ZL1fr)
I think "support" is the key issue here.
Posted by: pep at October 13, 2021 11:57 AM (ZsR3z)
Posted by: Muldoon at October 13, 2021 11:57 AM (5Woea)
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It could be a coincidence. I mean did you rule that out? Did you? Huh? Did you?
Posted by: I'm not Herb K, but by golly I run Southwest Airlines at October 13, 2021 11:57 AM (dCfxW)
First, it is NOT a government mandate. There is "no evidence" of that, using Kelly's own words.
Second, the fact that this tool goosesteps to the "orders" of his Fuhrer speaks volumes about the nature of The Enemy.
Posted by: Joe D. Mensha at October 13, 2021 11:58 AM (WmGrA)
https://tinyurl.com/68s7vn75
Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 13, 2021 11:54 AM (xWHkZ)
Wow, those responses. Some are stupid and lame, but other's are nasty and threatening. They all want Joe to put the hammer down on us.
What's depressing though is how locked in they all are.
They believe Asli got what she desrved and NOTHING is going to change their minds.
Posted by: JoeF. at October 13, 2021 11:58 AM (mR6Gs)
https://tinyurl.com/3z5nxz2t
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 13, 2021 11:56 AM (2JVJo)
very nice choice, but the poor dear looks like she's going to catch a cold. i'd offer to warm her up...
Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at October 13, 2021 11:58 AM (8D42x)
Posted by: whig at October 13, 2021 11:58 AM (9hXN1)
This Forbes article speaks of Biden's 'mandate', his 'order' [is he a king?],...
"the Biden administration ratcheted up pressure by ordering the nation's largest employers to impose vaccine mandates."
Never expressing the thought that none of it has any authority WHAT SO EVER.
https://tinyurl.com/yg4gquf7
Posted by: Braenyard at October 13, 2021 11:58 AM (+yuVD)
I was astonished the first time I watched The Thin Man, specifically the end, when Myrna Loy is in her clingy jammies in a railroad sleeper car. How the hell did THAT get past the censors?
Posted by: pep at October 13, 2021 11:58 AM (ZsR3z)
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Rapture. Left Vox behind
Posted by: Shocking news
Crap. We're all here too.
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Hardly a surprise.
Posted by: Shocking news at October 13, 2021 11:58 AM (xlOqw)
Posted by: MikeN at October 13, 2021 11:46 AM (Al5NL)
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Please elaborate.
Posted by: Seems Legit at October 13, 2021 11:58 AM (DcKNO)
https://bit.ly/3v6hRtg
Then, inflation is good.
https://bit.ly/3vacUjl
But where's shortages are good and shipping problems are good?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at October 13, 2021 11:59 AM (d9FiS)
Posted by: 29Victor
A pilot can't get sick? Dayum.
Think about how much $$$ SWA can save by not having to carry medical insurance and give sick days.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 13, 2021 11:59 AM (OCTRt)
Posted by: Capital Eff at October 13, 2021 11:59 AM (2xGy+)
U.S. District Judge Royce Lamberth held top officials at the Washington, D.C., Department of Corrections in civil contempt, after ruling they violated the civil rights of a Capitol riot defendant by impeding his access to medical care
https://tinyurl.com/yzqe79y7
You can also read Julie Kelly's live tweets of the proceedings here:
https://tinyurl.com/yjn9lbfg
Posted by: Tami at October 13, 2021 11:59 AM (cF8AT)
https://tinyurl.com/68s7vn75
Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 13, 2021 11:54 AM (xWHkZ)
Read 3 comments and already spiked my blood pressure. And these are the same fucks hysterical about black flags? Obvious they're projecting on that black flag what they're openly calling for on twatter.
And I get suspended for saying "They used to tar and feather people for less". Fuck them all. #war.
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at October 13, 2021 11:59 AM (wAnMi)
Posted by: DiesIrae at October 13, 2021 11:59 AM (nwD8s)
Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at October 13, 2021 11:49 AM (5HBd1)
There's a lot of Never Trump trash in the GOP who need to be primaried out of political existence. I won't vote for them in the general so the Vote Harder scolds can keep their whore mouths zipped.
Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Michael Byrd Murdered Ashli Babbitt at October 13, 2021 11:59 AM (y7DUB)
Posted by: Shocking news
Crap. We're all here too.
Hardly a surprise.
Posted by: Shocking news
True dat. Wasn't unexpected.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 13, 2021 12:00 PM (OCTRt)
Posted by: Xipe Totec at October 13, 2021 11:54 AM (o2MD2)
Interestingly, Highway deaths are up 10% this year, even though highway miles driven are DOWN 2%...
Read it at Vox, but thinking on it there have been a lot more fatal accidents lately in the local rag (I just see their headlines).
Posted by: Romeo13 at October 13, 2021 12:00 PM (oHd/0)
Posted by: steevy at October 13, 2021 12:00 PM (CYnTg)
Posted by: Seems Legit at October 13, 2021 12:00 PM (DcKNO)
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Didn't Biden's EO direct OHSA to issue regulations mandating the shot under some federal law having to do with medical emergencies? I seem to recall reading an article at some legal site that concluded the law wasn't even applicable to this situation, for a variety of reasons. Maybe the government lawyers came to the same conclusion, and that's why OSHA hasn't issued anything yet?
Posted by: TrivialPursuer--F*ck Joe Biden at October 13, 2021 12:00 PM (k4dH2)
I was astonished the first time I watched The Thin Man, specifically the end, when Myrna Loy is in her clingy jammies in a railroad sleeper car. How the hell did THAT get past the censors?
Posted by: pep at October 13, 2021 11:58 AM (ZsR3z)
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It was pre-Code (just barely).
So, regional censors probably demanded some trims, but not all of them.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the West with Leone at October 13, 2021 12:00 PM (LvTSG)
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No good explanation.
Posted by: Donna Brazile at October 13, 2021 12:00 PM (lDew/)
And I get suspended for saying "They used to tar and feather people for less". Fuck them all. #war.
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at October 13, 2021 11:59 AM (wAnMi)
I lasted 5 comments, then I had to do some breathing exercises....
Posted by: JoeF. at October 13, 2021 12:01 PM (mR6Gs)
Posted by: Dr. Varno at October 13, 2021 12:01 PM (vuisn)
Somehow, I don't think my relatives would have a chance with this, sadly.
Posted by: bluebell at October 13, 2021 12:01 PM (wyw4S)
Posted by: Minuteman at October 13, 2021 12:01 PM (PbSfE)
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at October 13, 2021 11:55 AM
Heh. The boss and team that hired me told me that one of the things that they liked was my telling them that my goal is to help them get things done, not tell them reasons why they couldn't do things, with the caveat that I might have to suggest a slightly different way of doing things to conform to the law. They liked that attitude.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 13, 2021 12:02 PM (m+jkK)
This is where Irish democracy comes in, taking individual sick days is an individual issue and collusion would have to be proved that they took the sick day with intent to cause disruption to the airlines. Not taking voluntary assignments is not a violation of RLA.
Posted by: whig at October 13, 2021 12:02 PM (9hXN1)
Some Guy in the 30's
Posted by: steevy at October 13, 2021 12:02 PM (CYnTg)
So, regional censors probably demanded some trims, but not all of them.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the West with Leone at October 13, 2021 12:00 PM (LvTSG)
I saw a nip on TCM last night...some French film (195
Posted by: BignJames at October 13, 2021 12:03 PM (AwYPR)
Interestingly, Highway deaths are up 10% this year, even though highway miles driven are DOWN 2%...
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A few weeks ago, a young guy simply rammed the back of my truck as I was driving along. Not slowing, turning, nothing. He was almost certainly texting or dialing his phone.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 13, 2021 12:03 PM (lDew/)
Posted by: Dr. Varno at October 13, 2021 12:04 PM (vuisn)
Posted by: GnuBreed at October 13, 2021 11:43 AM (F0YaR)
Wait, what?
Posted by: Jordan61 at October 13, 2021 11:51 AM (Ez6QX)
BATON ROUGE - The District Attorney's Office held a free vaccination event where residents could get their shot and have help filling out record expungement paperwork.
Posted by: GnuBreed at October 13, 2021 12:04 PM (F0YaR)
Firing doctors and nurses in the middle of a pandemic doesn't sound smart, either.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 13, 2021 11:48 AM (OCTRt)
Nothing this country has done in the past YEAR has been smart........
Posted by: Sponge - Michael Byrd MURDERED Ashli Babbitt at October 13, 2021 12:04 PM (IXZGh)
Posted by: steevy at October 13, 2021 12:04 PM (CYnTg)
We're in some sort of weird post-economics period. They just need people vaccinated. ('they' being much, much more than just Southwest)
Posted by: t-bird at October 13, 2021 12:04 PM (lDew/)
They believe Asli got what she desrved and NOTHING is going to change their minds.
Posted by: JoeF. at October 13, 2021 11:58 AM (mR6Gs)
They can't stop projecting.
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at October 13, 2021 12:05 PM (wAnMi)
Posted by: Napoleon at October 13, 2021 12:05 PM (m+jkK)
Posted by: Shocking news
Crap. We're all here too.
Hardly a surprise.
Posted by: Shocking news
True dat. Wasn't unexpected.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 13, 2021 12:00 PM (OCTRt)
Well, if you're ready to go, you are ready to stay.
Posted by: Diogenes at October 13, 2021 12:05 PM (axyOa)
Posted by: Sponge - Michael Byrd MURDERED Ashli Babbitt at October 13, 2021 12:04 PM (IXZGh)
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*contemplates comment about my own book sales being down*
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the West with Leone at October 13, 2021 12:05 PM (LvTSG)
Bras were optional.
Posted by: JoeF. at October 13, 2021 12:05 PM (mR6Gs)
Responding to CBS News poll showing most Americans don't know specifics of Democrats' spending bill, Pelosi tells
@NikolenDC
"it is hard to break through when you have such a comprehensive package"
"Whether they know it or not, they overwhelmingly support it," she says
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 13, 2021 12:05 PM (63Dwl)
Bras were optional.
Posted by: JoeF. at October 13, 2021 12:05 PM (mR6Gs)
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And shirts were more like sheer curtains.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the West with Leone at October 13, 2021 12:05 PM (LvTSG)
The administration is relying on the Jacobson Supreme Court decision which I discuss above which is a bit problematic as the federal government has no general police powers. It has some problems constitutionally, but it is easier for a federal judge to issue an injunction as a violation of the APA for an employer over a specific 14000 fine per violation under OSHA because the injury is not speculative unlike for an individual.
States may also get involved via AG's in states like Fla, TX, etc.
Posted by: whig at October 13, 2021 12:06 PM (9hXN1)
Learned that mindset in the military. There is ALWAYS a reg that says no, and another that says yes.
You just need to find the right Reg, and approach people with 'what do I need to do, to make this happen?'.
Posted by: Romeo13 at October 13, 2021 12:06 PM (oHd/0)
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 13, 2021 11:44 AM (bkUtD)
Their fans are already calling themselves 'Krakheads'.
....I wonder if they thought that through all the way
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Failure happens, giving up is a choice at October 13, 2021 12:06 PM (V6f9+)
Bras were optional.
=
*wipes away tear*
It was a better world.
Posted by: Nostalgia, it about boobs isn't it at October 13, 2021 12:06 PM (X+vpd)
Posted by: whig at October 13, 2021 12:02 PM (9hXN1)
Right. Which is why the CEO is talking like he is and why the union won't talk about it at all. It's obviously organized somehow but everyone has to pretend that it isn't.
Posted by: 29Victor at October 13, 2021 12:06 PM (BJKQV)
Posted by: pep at October 13, 2021 11:58 AM (ZsR3z)
The Thin Man didn't come out until 1934, which was when the studios began really cracking down with the Hays Code, so it just sneaked under the wire.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 13, 2021 12:06 PM (2JVJo)
Posted by: Capital Eff at October 13, 2021 12:07 PM (2xGy+)
Posted by: Diogenes
I'm ready to go.
Sadly, it won't be a surprise to stay.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 13, 2021 12:07 PM (OCTRt)
The micro-clots in the brain.
Posted by: VDay at October 13, 2021 12:07 PM (2YhrB)
Posted by: steevy at October 13, 2021 12:07 PM (CYnTg)
Really, this is just parenting advice applied to lawyering: telling people they can't do something versus saying if they do, "x" might or will follow and suggesting that "y" course of action is an alternative. At the end of the day, lawyers are advisors and have to accept that. By the same token, clients want to have it both ways: if you tell them "x" is a really stupid plan, they cry; if you don't tell them "x" is a really stupid plan, they blame you when they find out for themselves how stupid plan "x" is.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at October 13, 2021 12:07 PM (QU5/8)
Posted by: steevy at October 13, 2021 12:07 PM (CYnTg)
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Are you hitting on Nancy Pelosi?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the West with Leone at October 13, 2021 12:07 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: Orson at October 13, 2021 12:07 PM (O97Vq)
https://mobile.twitter.com/SimDisrespecter/status/
1448333480849412096/photo/1
Posted by: Widespread Pepe at October 13, 2021 12:08 PM (KqI8+)
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 13, 2021 11:44 AM (bkUtD)
Their fans are already calling themselves 'Krakheads'.
....I wonder if they thought that through all the way
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards,
I wonder if they'll have deep fried calamari on the menu?
Posted by: rickb223 at October 13, 2021 12:08 PM (OCTRt)
Posted by: BignJames
******
Quiz:
This event was the highlight of my:
[ ] Day
[ ] Week
[ ] Month
[ ] Year
[ ] Conscious memory
Posted by: Muldoon at October 13, 2021 12:08 PM (5Woea)
OSHA/DOL are trying to use an emergency rule procedure to avoid the normal Administrative Practices Act. This is seldom used and often overturned by courts since 1983 regarding an asbestos rule.
Courts tend to take a dim view that an emergency suddenly appears after 18 months or so that allows sidestepping normal APA practices. My guess is that it will be enjoined by judges somewhere as the penalty of 14000 per violation is more than enough to give any employer of 100 or more the power to challenge any implementation of it via standing.
Posted by: whig at October 13, 2021 11:53 AM (9hXN1)
My faith in the courts is in the negative numbers at this point...but I hope you're right.
Posted by: Tami at October 13, 2021 12:08 PM (cF8AT)
And they know that means drone strikes and slurred stupidity and arrest without cause and general incompetence and screwups.
Posted by: 29Victor at October 13, 2021 12:08 PM (BJKQV)
You just need to find the right Reg, and approach people with 'what do I need to do, to make this happen?'.
Posted by: Romeo13 at October 13, 2021 12:06 PM
Exactly. And the boss (as am I) was ex-military. At the Hudson Valley School for Wayward Youth, you had to be creative finding a way around the regs. Of course, then they'd just slap you with "gross lack of judgment" when they couldn't find a reg you broke...
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 13, 2021 12:08 PM (m+jkK)
Posted by: steevy at October 13, 2021 12:08 PM (CYnTg)
....I wonder if they thought that through all the way
I suggest Krakkers. Get that franchise tossed in its first year.
Posted by: t-bird at October 13, 2021 12:09 PM (SwCv8)
Yes. Yes, it will.
Posted by: insurgens ad opus at October 13, 2021 12:09 PM (3CeVx)
https://tinyurl.com/47kwyuxh
Posted by: Capital Eff at October 13, 2021 12:07 PM (2xGy+)
Bailiff! Whack his pee pee!
Posted by: BignJames at October 13, 2021 12:09 PM (AwYPR)
They believe Asli got what she desrved and NOTHING is going to change their minds.
Posted by: JoeF. at October 13, 2021 11:58 AM (mR6Gs)
They can't stop projecting.
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at October 13, 2021 12:05 PM (wAnMi)
I agree, but we've reached a point where common sense, judgment and critical thinking no longer exist in our political discourse.
Nothing is going to stop them from believing that it was a violent insurrection, that Ashli was armed and that her killing was justifiable.
Nothing.
It's beyond mere projection.
They BELIEVE it.
Posted by: JoeF. at October 13, 2021 12:09 PM (mR6Gs)
Posted by: wth at October 13, 2021 12:09 PM (v0R5T)
Posted by: JuJuBee at October 13, 2021 12:09 PM (mNhhD)
Posted by: VDay at October 13, 2021 12:07 PM (2YhrB)
The bad kind?
Posted by: 29Victor at October 13, 2021 12:10 PM (BJKQV)
Not sure its the same in other States, but here kids don't even have to take a drivers test at the DMV anymore.
Their driving instructor just OK's them and they show to do the in person vision test a viola...! My 16 year old had his license.
Now he's a pretty damn good driver, but they're doing this for all kids.
Its got to be playing a bit of a role.
Posted by: H Badger at October 13, 2021 12:10 PM (n/0Nw)
The micro-clots in the brain.
Posted by: VDay
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May have been tattoo ink poisoning. Much of that was in evidence.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 13, 2021 12:10 PM (lDew/)
Posted by: Muldoon at October 13, 2021 12:10 PM (5Woea)
Posted by: steevy at October 13, 2021 12:10 PM (CYnTg)
Lmao
Posted by: Widespread Pepe at October 13, 2021 12:10 PM (KqI8+)
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 13, 2021 12:06 PM
Now imma have to rewatch The Thin Man this weekend.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 13, 2021 12:10 PM (m+jkK)
DeSantis to stranded cargo ships: Come here, we can do what CA is too inept and stupid to do. Florida is where businesses flourish.
https://tinyurl.com/yeaneqde
Posted by: Tami at October 13, 2021 11:40 AM (cF8AT)
Hey, all the more reason for me to house-shop while I'm down there burning all of my PTO with little advanced notice.
Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at October 13, 2021 12:11 PM (DTX3h)
Posted by: steevy at October 13, 2021 12:11 PM (CYnTg)
There was even a question he didn't bother to address because the plantiffs are so likely to succeed on the merits of the Title VII claim.
At this point, any company that does not offer easily granted religious/medical alternatives of masks and testing, is in serious legal jeopardy. These mandates are losing in federal and state courts.
2nd and 3rd Courts of Appeals have issued similar rulings in other cases.
This EO is going to be an embarrassing failure for Biden.
Posted by: Dave in Fla (fC3dn) at October 13, 2021 12:11 PM (5p7BC)
His comics are ok.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Failure happens, giving up is a choice at October 13, 2021 12:11 PM (V6f9+)
OSHA indicated formal intent back in June of issuing emergency regulations and then Biden's Sept 9 EO, delegated covid management regulation to an interagency task force. OSHA and Dept of Labor Office of Federal Contract Compliance are involved to my understanding with assignees from other agencies involved in the Task Force.
Apparently, the task force is going to recommend OSHA issue a temporary order requiring compliance with vaxx or other means without going through the normal notice and comment rulemaking. This makes it more vulnerable to court challenge. Some of the leaked details apparently include stiff fines for employers for violations.
Posted by: whig at October 13, 2021 12:12 PM (9hXN1)
Nothing.
It's beyond mere projection.
They BELIEVE it.
Posted by: JoeF.
I know one thing that will, but opsec.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 13, 2021 12:12 PM (OCTRt)
Posted by: steevy at October 13, 2021 12:12 PM (CYnTg)
Posted by: JoeF. at October 13, 2021 12:05 PM (mR6Gs)
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And shirts were more like sheer curtains.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the West with Leone at October 13, 2021 12:05 PM (LvTSG)
The only drawback is that "thin was in" at the time, so the actresses tended to be flat chested.
Posted by: JoeF. at October 13, 2021 12:12 PM (mR6Gs)
Rolling Stones will stop performing hit song 'Brown Sugar' after 50 years
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I assume that Ten Years After, 'I'd Love to Change the World', hasn't been aired in 30 years.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 13, 2021 12:12 PM (lDew/)
Posted by: H Badger at October 13, 2021 12:10 PM (n/0Nw)
That was the case with my nephew in AZ.
Posted by: Jordan61 at October 13, 2021 12:12 PM (Ez6QX)
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with such a sterling track record of uninterrupted success so far . . .
Posted by: Shocking news at October 13, 2021 12:13 PM (hSN3z)
_________________
Why wouldn't they support a bill chock full of stuff they don't know about, when they know it will spend trillions of dollars we don't have, on shit we don't need and can't afford, and will raise taxes on every producer of goods and services, which will make everything that everybody buys a lot more expensive?
What's not to love about it?
Posted by: TrivialPursuer--F*ck Joe Biden at October 13, 2021 12:13 PM (k4dH2)
Posted by: Archer at October 13, 2021 12:13 PM (gmo/4)
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with such a sterling track record of uninterrupted success so far . . .
Posted by: Shocking news at October 13, 2021 12:13 PM (hSN3z)
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"This is the worst day of my presidency..."
"The worst day so far."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the West with Leone at October 13, 2021 12:13 PM (LvTSG)
His comics are ok.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Failure happens, giving up is a choice at October 13, 2021 12:11 PM (V6f9+)
He has also stated that men who don't have kids are agents of Satan. So he's not particularly wild about me, either.
Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at October 13, 2021 12:13 PM (DTX3h)
DeSantis to stranded cargo ships: Come here, we can do what CA is too inept and stupid to do. Florida is where businesses flourish.
https://tinyurl.com/yeaneqde
Posted by: Tami at October 13, 2021 11:40 AM (cF8AT)
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They are burning fuel sitting out in the bay they may as well burn that fuel going through the canal.
Posted by: Braenyard at October 13, 2021 12:13 PM (+yuVD)
Also mentioned that people panicked way too much when the chinese lung rot really got going.
Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at October 13, 2021 12:14 PM (2NHgQ)
And "unhoused" youths.
They may have lost sight of hockey's core demographic.
Posted by: Muldoon at October 13, 2021 12:14 PM (5Woea)
Posted by: BignJames at October 13, 2021 12:03 PM (AwYPR)
My Dad saw plenty of Nips during the war. At least that was his word for the Japs.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 13, 2021 12:14 PM (ynpvh)
Now he's a pretty damn good driver, but they're doing this for all kids.
Its got to be playing a bit of a role.
Posted by: H Badger at October 13, 2021 12:10 PM (n/0Nw)
Heh! I aced driver's ed and the test. Didn't keep me from totaling out 3 cars twixt 17 and 21. Testosterone played a prominent role I expect.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at October 13, 2021 12:14 PM (o2MD2)
Posted by: MikeN at October 13, 2021 12:14 PM (Al5NL)
There's something from Gaylord I can ahree with - Joey will find a way to screw things up.
Guess Hell froze over.
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 13, 2021 12:15 PM (SGPGO)
Posted by: steevy at October 13, 2021 12:15 PM (CYnTg)
Matthew Dowd
@matthewjdowd
I have a couple of barred owls that live on the land here who each morning before sunrise speak their truths. Some times in midst of my own prayer/meditation I feel they are sharing wisdom. Today it is: let go of the end, just do right in the moment, fight today for others.
Posted by: redridinghood at October 13, 2021 12:15 PM (NpAcC)
His comics are ok.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Failure happens, giving up is a choice at October 13, 2021 12:11 PM (V6f9+)
He has also stated that men who don't have kids are agents of Satan. So he's not particularly wild about me, either.
==
He thinks men of west african descent are idiots as well.
Posted by: C. Thomas at October 13, 2021 12:15 PM (al00h)
Posted by: Max Power at October 13, 2021 11:33 AM (QCc6B)
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A friend sent me a link to one of his posts recently. He ended it with a funny line, something like "Similar to the old saw about the Holy Roman Empire, the 'safe, effective vaccines" are neither safe, nor effective, nor vaccines."
Posted by: ShainS -- State-Stamped Sluggish Schizophrenic at October 13, 2021 12:15 PM (ZL1fr)
Posted by: Dave in Fla (fC3dn) at October 13, 2021 12:11 PM (5p7BC)
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Thank you
Posted by: Braenyard at October 13, 2021 12:15 PM (+yuVD)
Posted by: Xipe Totec at October 13, 2021 12:14 PM (o2MD2)
Teens and young adults are stupid that way.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 13, 2021 12:15 PM (ynpvh)
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 13, 2021 12:15 PM (2JVJo)
Posted by: steevy at October 13, 2021 12:11 PM (CYnTg)
There is a YouTube video of Mick Jagger playing an early version of Brown Sugar on electric guitar ( he has a nice dirty tone) in the presence of IKE and Tina Turner backstage at MSG, and you should see Ike's face when he realizes what the song is about.
Mick had huge balls.
Posted by: JoeF. at October 13, 2021 12:16 PM (mR6Gs)
Posted by: whig at October 13, 2021 12:16 PM (9hXN1)
Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at October 13, 2021 12:16 PM (OTzUX)
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at October 13, 2021 12:16 PM (yQpMk)
Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at October 13, 2021 12:14 PM (2NHgQ)
Seems like your doctor is sane.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 13, 2021 12:16 PM (csEWM)
Posted by: Archer
You first.
Posted by: nurse ratched at October 13, 2021 12:16 PM (Dxj7R)
Posted by: steevy at October 13, 2021 12:16 PM (CYnTg)
Posted by: MikeN at October 13, 2021 12:14 PM (Al5NL)
I thought they were all dead or nearly so. Have to be in their late 90's by now, at least those that weren't on Kamakazi missions...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 13, 2021 12:16 PM (ynpvh)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 13, 2021 12:17 PM (lDew/)
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at October 13, 2021 12:16 PM (yQpMk)
Not that I am aware of. Everyone is just reacting as if there was- which is exactly what they want, to outsource the tyranny to private companies.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 13, 2021 12:17 PM (csEWM)
Posted by: whig at October 13, 2021 12:06 PM (9hXN1)
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In which case we are screwed, here in VA. Thanks for answering though, whig, and I hope some of these cases make it through soon. This all needs to go bust.
Posted by: bluebell at October 13, 2021 12:17 PM (wyw4S)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 13, 2021 12:17 PM (qfUXd)
You know who would be solving the problem were he President?
Posted by: Javems at October 13, 2021 12:18 PM (AmoqO)
Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 13, 2021 12:18 PM (csEWM)
DeSantis to stranded cargo ships: Come here, we can do what CA is too inept and stupid to do. Florida is where businesses flourish.
https://tinyurl.com/yeaneqde
Posted by: Tami at October 13, 2021 11:40 AM (cF8AT)
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They are burning fuel sitting out in the bay they may as well burn that fuel going through the canal.
Posted by: Braenyard at October 13, 2021 12:13 PM (+yuVD)
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Make the Biden regime show its hand by forcing Panama to close the canal to this shipping.
Posted by: Diogenes at October 13, 2021 12:18 PM (axyOa)
Also mentioned that people panicked way too much when the chinese lung rot really got going.
Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at October 13, 2021 12:14 PM (2NHgQ)
Buddy that went to the ER after waiting too long once sick (with SARS) was told that this whole thing is reasonably silly. It's like the flu. There's nothing you can really do about it. You're GOING to get it. You just need to do what you can to have a healthy immune system, get tested and treated early and you'll be, most likely, FINE.
Posted by: Sponge - Michael Byrd MURDERED Ashli Babbitt at October 13, 2021 12:18 PM (IXZGh)
Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 13, 2021 12:18 PM (csEWM)
There's also bacon ranch...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 13, 2021 12:18 PM (ynpvh)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 13, 2021 12:18 PM (qfUXd)
Posted by: steevy at October 13, 2021 12:11 PM (CYnTg)
at some point there is no actual reason beyond the need to destroy something.
Posted by: Kindltot at October 13, 2021 12:18 PM (KbLYZ)
The Owls
Posted by: steevy at October 13, 2021 12:18 PM (CYnTg)
Posted by: Xipe Totec at October 13, 2021 12:14 PM (o2MD2)
Teens and young adults are stupid that way.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 13, 2021 12:15 PM (ynpvh)
Hence the ridiculous insurance rates for males under age 25.
Posted by: Jordan61 at October 13, 2021 12:18 PM (Ez6QX)
Posted by: Javems at October 13, 2021 12:18 PM (AmoqO)
There might not be a problem if he wasn't president.
Wait are we saying Trump or Kamala?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 13, 2021 12:18 PM (csEWM)
This is depressing. It's a great song and if it wasn't racist 50 years ago, why is racist now?
I wish they'd say fuck you and it
On the other hand, the bassist and the drummer are black.
Posted by: JoeF. at October 13, 2021 12:19 PM (mR6Gs)
The most famous woman pilot of all time managed to get herself disappeared to the point of never officially being found.
Chuck Yeager died of old age well into his 90s.
Just saying
Posted by: Azjaeger at October 13, 2021 12:19 PM (3/XaG)
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we should probably face the fact that it was likely an bio weapon and whether it was release din error or by intent , and so we didn't know how bad it was at first. So it was a freak out. The financial incentive to fear marketing for the pharma industry is epic. Everyone knows defense contractors are corrupt but this is that system on steroids.
Posted by: you aren't yet cynical enough to appreciate the people running this particular shit show at October 13, 2021 12:19 PM (X+vpd)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 13, 2021 12:19 PM (qfUXd)
You know who would be solving the problem were he President?
Posted by: Javems at October 13, 2021 12:18 PM (AmoqO)
Someone posted earlier that California has passed LAWS that have caused this entire shipping issue.
But hey.....KEEP NEWSOME IN POWER. IT'S WORKING OUT WELL FOR EVERYONE.
Retards.......
Posted by: Sponge - Michael Byrd MURDERED Ashli Babbitt at October 13, 2021 12:20 PM (IXZGh)
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My daughter saw an aerial photo of ships waiting to unload that had spelled out "Let's Go Brandon".
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at October 13, 2021 12:20 PM (d9FiS)
Posted by: MikeN
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Uhm, pretty obviously not the case...
DAVID SAMBRANO ET AL.,
Plaintiffs,
v. No. 4:21-cv-1074-P
UNITED AIRLINES, INC.,
Defendant.
Posted by: Dave in Fla (fC3dn) at October 13, 2021 12:20 PM (5p7BC)
Posted by: steevy at October 13, 2021 12:11 PM (CYnTg)
at some point there is no actual reason beyond the need to destroy something.
Posted by: Kindltot at October 13, 2021 12:18 PM (KbLYZ)
Pam Grier is hot.
https://tinyurl.com/3wh8vp2a
Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 13, 2021 12:20 PM (csEWM)
Let's play "When Will they Cave?" We know they will, they all will. It's just a matter of time.
Posted by: Ordinary American at October 13, 2021 12:20 PM (H8QX8)
Posted by: Xipe Totec at October 13, 2021 12:14 PM (o2MD2)
Teens and young adults are stupid that way.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 13, 2021 12:15 PM (ynpvh)
Hence the ridiculous insurance rates for males under age 25.
Posted by: Jordan61 at October 13, 2021 12:18 PM (Ez6QX)
I was on a business trip early in my carreer, but was not yet 25. I had a HELL of a time getting a rental car. Only one agency would rent to me at 2x the cost. I didn't care; the company was paying for it anyway.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 13, 2021 12:20 PM (ynpvh)
Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at October 13, 2021 12:16 PM (OTzUX)
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Those ships will pass TX and LA ports on the way to FL.
Posted by: Braenyard at October 13, 2021 12:20 PM (+yuVD)
Posted by: ShainS -- State-Stamped Sluggish Schizophrenic at October 13, 2021 12:20 PM (ZL1fr)
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 13, 2021 12:20 PM (SGPGO)
Why can't we just get a commitment from these walking corpses to not play any of their songs anymore? Mick Jagger is 78.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at October 13, 2021 12:21 PM (QU5/8)
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I knew a girl who grew up to be a pilot. She ran over her own dog backing out of the driveway when she was younger.
Posted by: Its funny because its true at October 13, 2021 12:21 PM (dCfxW)
The most famous woman pilot of all time managed to get herself disappeared to the point of never officially being found.
Chuck Yeager died of old age well into his 90s.
Just saying
Posted by: Azjaeger at October 13, 2021 12:19 PM (3/XaG)
Who else would you want in your cockpit, eh?
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 13, 2021 12:21 PM (ynpvh)
Chuck Yeager died of old age well into his 90s.
Just saying
Posted by: Azjaeger at October 13, 2021 12:19 PM (3/XaG)
From what i've read, she wasn't a very good pilot, and an even worse navigator.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at October 13, 2021 12:21 PM (o2MD2)
Chuck Yeager died of old age well into his 90s.
Just saying
Posted by: Azjaeger at October 13, 2021 12:19 PM (3/XaG)
Considering that he was a test pilot (not exactly know for long living) and she was an 'female boundary pusher'. Well, it does sound bad when you put it that way.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 13, 2021 12:21 PM (csEWM)
OSHA/DOL are trying to use an emergency rule procedure to avoid the normal Administrative Practices Act. This is seldom used and often overturned by courts since 1983 regarding an asbestos rule.
Courts tend to take a dim view that an emergency suddenly appears after 18 months or so that allows sidestepping normal APA practices. My guess is that it will be enjoined by judges somewhere as the penalty of 14000 per violation is more than enough to give any employer of 100 or more the power to challenge any implementation of it via standing.
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OSHA is looking for anyway to not issue a regulation because they have no legal ground to stand on regardless of the methodology they use to create the rule. And with Biden having burned his bridges with SCOTUS, OSHA will not get any help.
In addition, OSHA does not directly administer the act in every state. I don't know what the situation is in Texas, but I imagine they T-OSHA, a state based and directed agency that applies safety rules. Pretty plain where Texas is at. So OSHA isn't coming to SWA's rescue.
Posted by: Black JEM at October 13, 2021 12:21 PM (V6xwG)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 13, 2021 12:17 PM (qfUXd)
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Didn't the Chinese make a wider?
Posted by: Braenyard at October 13, 2021 12:21 PM (+yuVD)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 13, 2021 12:19 PM (qfUXd)
Go long on galley futures.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at October 13, 2021 12:22 PM (yQpMk)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 13, 2021 12:19 PM (qfUXd)
I want CA to ban oil spills, burning ships and wildfires now.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 13, 2021 12:22 PM (ynpvh)
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Well, Ike is a paragon of moral virtue.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at October 13, 2021 12:22 PM (d9FiS)
Posted by: steevy at October 13, 2021 12:11 PM (CYnTg)
at some point there is no actual reason beyond the need to destroy something.
Posted by: Kindltot at October 13, 2021 12:18 PM (KbLYZ)
Pam Grier is hot.
https://tinyurl.com/3wh8vp2a
Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 13, 2021 12:20 PM (csEWM)
She was culturally appropriating in that pic.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 13, 2021 12:22 PM (ynpvh)
Posted by: nurse ratched
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Ok.
I've already told my company that they will have to fire me on Dec 8th if they don't grant a religious accommodation. I will go through with it.
Posted by: Dave in Fla (fC3dn) at October 13, 2021 12:23 PM (5p7BC)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at October 13, 2021 11:59 AM (d9FiS)
It prevents DEFLATION and you know DEFLATION is the worst thing ever because it leads to A LIQUIDITY TRAP which is the worst thing ever ever.
Posted by: Kindltot at October 13, 2021 12:24 PM (KbLYZ)
And "unhoused" youths.
They may have lost sight of hockey's core demographic.
______________
What are you saying? That people of African or other tropical ancestry aren't usually interested in playing a sport that was invented by people from frigid climates, and involves skating around on ice while dressed in very heavy clothing?
That can't possibly be! Must be just more of that evil white supremacy preventing POC's from participating in a sport that they would naturally be drawn to!
Posted by: TrivialPursuer--F*ck Joe Biden at October 13, 2021 12:24 PM (k4dH2)
What is going to tangle things up is if the fed govt can mandate businesses force individuals to take something, then it is potentially an unlimited power. Even Jacobson ruling had the Supreme Court suggesting that states do not have that power. Since then, the whole jurisprudence of right of privacy, right to die, abortion, etc. have been erected on the basis of my body, my choice and then there are religious arguments as well including RFRA which binds OSHA. Note that an interagency taskforce was specially created for this rule that circumvents any agency from taking all the blame for the rule. My personal guess is that some district court judge somewhere will issue an injunction and it might well be nationwide as the Obama judges have established that precedent via Hawaiian judges.
Posted by: whig at October 13, 2021 12:25 PM (9hXN1)
Posted by: rickb223 at October 13, 2021 12:25 PM (OCTRt)
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 13, 2021 12:22 PM (ynpvh)
Why I picked it.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 13, 2021 12:26 PM (csEWM)
Posted by: Archer
You first.
Posted by: nurse ratched at October 13, 2021 12:16 PM (Dxj7R)
You can't go second or even third.
Posted by: To be fair at October 13, 2021 12:28 PM (VTfbZ)
Everything would be better if only Joe had remained a trucker
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at October 13, 2021 12:30 PM (cSyAR)
Judge Lamberth and all the rest of the DC circuit sitting as jurist in the J6 defendant trials - everyone - ALL caused this mistreatment to happen...
Posted by: Boswell at October 13, 2021 12:34 PM (5iUNf)
To that end, I think that if airlines and the White House are going to play this off as a weather glitch and "little hub-but," the pilots ought to create an unmistakably huge "hub-but" to clarify who's got who by the balls here.
Posted by: red speck at October 13, 2021 12:41 PM (gS3OW)
Matthew Dowd
"Vote for me! I will do what the owls tell me to do! And that's a promise you can count on!" ( Stares firmly and sincerely into camera with slight smile)
Posted by: Azjaeger at October 13, 2021 12:41 PM (3/XaG)
Posted by: red speck at October 13, 2021 12:41 PM (gS3OW)
Posted by: Random Person at October 13, 2021 03:57 PM (p8Dz9)
I thought not.
I trust that Southwest pilots are better at avoiding imagined perils than their CEO is at avoiding Democrat gaslighting. (I know they are - two are my kin and excellent pilots and patriots).
Posted by: Vladtheimp at October 13, 2021 05:41 PM (cFnie)
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Signs You're at an Iraqi "Wedding Party"
Signs Your Clown Has Gone Bad
Signs That You, Geroge Michael, Should Probably Just Give It Up
Signs of Hip-Hop Influence on John Kerry
NYT Headlines Spinning Bush's Jobs Boom
Things People Are More Likely to Say Than "Did You Hear What Al Franken Said Yesterday?"
Signs that Paul Krugman Has Lost His Frickin' Mind
All-Time Best NBA Players, According to Senator Robert Byrd
Other Bad Things About the Jews, According to the Koran
Signs That David Letterman Just Doesn't Care Anymore
Examples of Bob Kerrey's Insufferable Racial Jackassery
Signs Andy Rooney Is Going Senile
Other Judgments Dick Clarke Made About Condi Rice Based on Her Appearance
Collective Names for Groups of People
John Kerry's Other Vietnam Super-Pets
Cool Things About the XM8 Assault Rifle
Media-Approved Facts About the Democrat Spy
Changes to Make Christianity More "Inclusive"
Secret John Kerry Senatorial Accomplishments
John Edwards Campaign Excuses
John Kerry Pick-Up Lines
Changes Liberal Senator George Michell Will Make at Disney
Torments in Dog-Hell
The Ace of Spades HQ Sex-for-Money Skankathon
A D&D Guide to the Democratic Candidates
Margaret Cho: Just Not Funny
More Margaret Cho Abuse
Margaret Cho: Still Not Funny
Iraqi Prisoner Claims He Was Raped... By Woman
Wonkette Announces "Morning Zoo" Format
John Kerry's "Plan" Causes Surrender of Moqtada al-Sadr's Militia
World Muslim Leaders Apologize for Nick Berg's Beheading
Michael Moore Goes on Lunchtime Manhattan Death-Spree
Milestone: Oliver Willis Posts 400th "Fake News Article" Referencing Britney Spears
Liberal Economists Rue a "New Decade of Greed"
Artificial Insouciance: Maureen Dowd's Word Processor Revolts Against Her Numbing Imbecility
Intelligence Officials Eye Blogs for Tips
They Done Found Us Out, Cletus: Intrepid Internet Detective Figures Out Our Master Plan
Shock: Josh Marshall Almost Mentions Sarin Discovery in Iraq
Leather-Clad Biker Freaks Terrorize Australian Town
When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool
What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means
Wonkette's Stand-Up Act
Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour
Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider
My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)