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The Morning Rant
NO WAY OUT
Back in the 90s, I thought our going into the Middle East was a good thing. I thought we could set up a functional democracy and use it as a countervailing force against the regional radical Islamic jihadism. I was firm on this point. I defended it bigly. Long about 2007 or 2008, I started having doubts. The Afghan war was starting to resemble the quagmire of Vietnam. I knew soldiers who served, and they returned, broken men. One young man, during his tour, was invited to a dinner at the home of a local village chief, and was ambushed (the chief was in on it). He somehow got out alive, but his men did not. I'm not sure how he managed his escape, and I didn't want to ask. That's when I first start to ask, why are we still there? And what's the endgame? My misgivings grew during the Obama years, and in the Age of Trump, I had flipped completely and decided the best thing to do was to bring everyone home as soon as possible with minimal losses. I thought the best way to describe Afghanistan is that it's just a bum. Through my church, I've done a little work trying to reclaim homeless bums and help them make better choices, but it never works. At least, *I* was never successful. The bums were always helpful and friendly while you were giving them stuff, but as soon as you required them to step it up, look for work, stop smoking weed, etc., bang, you never saw them again. The bums wanted to be bums because they liked being bums. It's a low responsibility lifestyle and you can survive well enough on the charity of strangers. And you can't fight that. Which is why I refuse to call them 'the homeless', as if they were the victims of some natural catastrophe that destroyed their homes. No, the bums aren't homeless because they have no homes. They're homeless because they're bums. End of story. In order for a bum not to be a bum, to raise himself out of bummitude, he's going to have to make heroic efforts. Life is going to be very difficult before it gets better, and the long-term payoff is something few bums aew willing to sacrifice any short-term gratification to work for. Bum thinking and bum habits ingrain themselves deep into the soul and it's almost impossible to uproot them. So, for the Afghan people who do not want to be ruled by the Taliban, life is going to be very tough. They're not going to be able to simply go about their daily business. They're going to have to learn how to fight, and, sadly, how to take losses. The question they need to answer for themselves is , are they willing to die fighting in order to secure their villages and way of life against a determined horde of psychotic jihadis? And I think it likely that most of the Afghanis have decided that no, it's not worth it. They would rather live under the Taliban as best as they can and not fight them. It may not be what they prefer, but it's better than having to train and fight and maybe take a bullet. Oh, and add the corrupt, kleptocratic Afghan national government and that's enough to take the wind out of anybody's sails. No one wants to die defending that. So, we're in a lose-lose situation and the bungling Biden administration has managed to select the worst out of a selection of bad options.
Can't Say That I'm Liking This Reboot Very Much:
The After-Action Debrief For The Afghanistan Pull-Out Is Going To Be Lit:
This One Is Not Going To Age Well:
I'll Drink To That!
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Friday Who Dis: German-born actress Elga Andersen starred with Steve McQueen in the 1971 documentary-style action movie Le Mans (1971). McQueen seemingly has been in more classic and/or iconic films than you can shake a stick at.
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Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: Tami at August 16, 2021 10:16 AM (cF8AT)
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at August 16, 2021 10:17 AM (/XOcP)
Posted by: Diogenes at August 16, 2021 10:18 AM (axyOa)
Posted by: Engineer at August 16, 2021 10:18 AM (ExIA1)
Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at August 16, 2021 10:18 AM (8D42x)
Posted by: Hiden Biden at August 16, 2021 10:19 AM (ExIA1)
Posted by: Dirks Strewn DA 1977 at August 16, 2021 10:19 AM (LBiyC)
Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 16, 2021 10:19 AM (mZzAJ)
He "might" address the situaiton in Afghanistan in the next few days according to one aide.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at August 16, 2021 10:19 AM (JUOKG)
Posted by: kallisto at August 16, 2021 10:19 AM (DJFLF)
Posted by: Curly Shuffle at August 16, 2021 10:20 AM (TNyrE)
When that started our policy should have changed to killing everyone. That it did not is why today is happening.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at August 16, 2021 10:20 AM (T7iTv)
Do you think he will reward himself now, or wait until our military hardware is used against civilians in the US?
Posted by: Tom Tuttle from Tacoma at August 16, 2021 10:21 AM (L9P9s)
I hear they are polite, have ice cream and can entertain us with a few beheadings and plane jumping displays.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 16, 2021 10:21 AM (R/m4+)
Posted by: JAS, AoSHQ addict at August 16, 2021 10:21 AM (xopIz)
Posted by: Curly Shuffle at August 16, 2021 10:21 AM (TNyrE)
Posted by: NR Pax at August 16, 2021 10:21 AM (yoZoB)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, nihilism is all fun and games with a Carpenter leading the way at August 16, 2021 10:21 AM (LvTSG)
If you told me 15 years ago that would be the case, I would have called you insane.
And I know he hasn't changed his positions.
Posted by: Dave in Fla (5p7BC) at August 16, 2021 10:22 AM (5p7BC)
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 16, 2021 10:22 AM (UuD2k)
Posted by: JAS, AoSHQ addict at August 16, 2021 10:22 AM (xopIz)
He "might" address the situaiton in Afghanistan in the next few days according to one aide.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at August 16, 2021 10:19 AM (JUOKG)
3:45 today according to reports. If the drugs kick in in time
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 16, 2021 10:22 AM (GPwVZ)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, nihilism is all fun and games with a Carpenter leading the way at August 16, 2021 10:21 AM (LvTSG)
George Soros seriously writes them checks.
Posted by: Muad'dib - Shhhhh Baby, We're in New South Wales at August 16, 2021 10:23 AM (sjdRT)
Posted by: Miklos, a ben Franklin Pessimist at August 16, 2021 10:23 AM (QzkSJ)
Posted by: f'd at August 16, 2021 10:23 AM (Tnijr)
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 16, 2021 10:23 AM (3p5uk)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice. Asymptomatic raycist at August 16, 2021 10:23 AM (3D/fK)
He'll just blame Trump.
Posted by: Cosda at August 16, 2021 10:23 AM (RDxa6)
https://tinyurl.com/xyndk7ah
Posted by: Thrawn at August 16, 2021 10:23 AM (wQb4c)
And the guy in Pic 3 is not the same as the feature pic. Pic 3 comes from another era in time
Posted by: kallisto at August 16, 2021 10:23 AM (DJFLF)
Posted by: Jordan61, I am the 10% at August 16, 2021 10:23 AM (Ez6QX)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, nihilism is all fun and games with a Carpenter leading the way at August 16, 2021 10:21 AM (LvTSG)
George Soros seriously writes them checks.
Posted by: Muad'dib - Shhhhh Baby, We're in New South Wales at August 16, 2021 10:23 AM (sjdRT)
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I'll write nonsense on repeat for weeks and months on end if I get paid for it. Hell, I do that for free here.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, nihilism is all fun and games with a Carpenter leading the way at August 16, 2021 10:24 AM (LvTSG)
Posted by: Miklos, a ben Franklin Pessimist at August 16, 2021 10:23 AM (QzkSJ)
So, just the basics then......
Posted by: Muad'dib - Shhhhh Baby, We're in New South Wales at August 16, 2021 10:24 AM (sjdRT)
Also, for the "male" I don't think he likes the females for the sex.
Posted by: Archer at August 16, 2021 10:24 AM (gmo/4)
"Afghanistan finally liberated from a regime that imposes mandatory face coverings, destroys statues, and promotes the genital mutilation of children."
Posted by: Sharkman at August 16, 2021 10:24 AM (QkHuA)
Posted by: Capt. Kirk at August 16, 2021 10:24 AM (63Dwl)
If you told me 15 years ago that would be the case, I would have called you insane.
And I know he hasn't changed his positions.
Posted by: Dave in Fla (5p7BC) at August 16, 2021 10:22 AM (5p7BC)
I'm old enough to remember when we used to make fun of Glenn Greenwald on this blog.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at August 16, 2021 10:24 AM (YXnKW)
https://tinyurl.com/xyndk7ah
Posted by: Thrawn at August 16, 2021 10:23 AM (wQb4c)
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"We were just following Trump's orders!"
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, nihilism is all fun and games with a Carpenter leading the way at August 16, 2021 10:24 AM (LvTSG)
Posted by: clutch at August 16, 2021 10:25 AM (9UmRs)
By the way, where were all these people now covering their asses and saying this war was "winnable"? The people who wrote our ROE's? How about those who told us for YEARS we could train these people to fight themselves? Oh wait, here my favorite. DoS telling us they were a sustainable democracy. It would be funny of it wasn't so sad.
Posted by: Marcus T at August 16, 2021 10:25 AM (sOXXq)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, nihilism is all fun and games with a Carpenter leading the way at August 16, 2021 10:24 AM (LvTSG)
Naw. Most of what you write isn't nonsense.
Posted by: Muad'dib - Shhhhh Baby, We're in New South Wales at August 16, 2021 10:25 AM (sjdRT)
Posted by: BignJames at August 16, 2021 10:25 AM (AwYPR)
You know you live in Texas when your choice of Mexican restaurants is heavily influenced by their chips and salsa.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 16, 2021 10:26 AM (OCTRt)
Pierre Omidyar (one of Ebay founders) picks up the check. Omidyar is one of the big money movers for Obama's capitulation to Iran and the revival of the JCPOA agreement under the Biden junta.
He is the one paying for Bulwark bullshit among other 'rightie' media properties.
Posted by: whig at August 16, 2021 10:26 AM (pO7gM)
Posted by: grammie winger at August 16, 2021 10:26 AM (45fpk)
Posted by: Muad'dib - Shhhhh Baby, We're in New South Wales at August 16, 2021 10:25 AM (sjdRT)
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*considers mentioning Prometheus*
*thinks better of mentioning Prometheus and does not mention Prometheus*
*does own part to keep this thread Prometheus free*
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, nihilism is all fun and games with a Carpenter leading the way at August 16, 2021 10:26 AM (LvTSG)
"Afghanistan finally liberated from a regime that imposes mandatory face coverings, destroys statues, and promotes the genital mutilation of children.""
That's good....
That's REAL good!!!!
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice. Asymptomatic raycist at August 16, 2021 10:26 AM (3D/fK)
Posted by: LASue at August 16, 2021 10:26 AM (Ed8Zd)
Posted by: Marcus T at August 16, 2021 10:25 AM (sOXXq)
I don't think you know what "full stop" means.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 16, 2021 10:26 AM (UuD2k)
Posted by: Archer at August 16, 2021 10:26 AM (gmo/4)
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at August 16, 2021 10:26 AM (GQ5VU)
If you told me 15 years ago that would be the case, I would have called you insane.
And I know he hasn't changed his positions.
Posted by: Dave in Fla (5p7BC) at August 16, 2021 10:22 AM (5p7BC)
In your defense he seems to be less of a snarky prick to "our side".
Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at August 16, 2021 10:26 AM (y7DUB)
Posted by: Muad'dib
Oddly enough, now that I understand more, I was a a table with G. Soros one evening in Budapest.
Blackjack.
That was before I knew how truly evil he is and was, he was setting up Central European University. We thought he was good, we were wrong.
Posted by: Miklos at August 16, 2021 10:26 AM (QzkSJ)
You guys should have listened to us. You can't have a disastrous ending to a war if you just never end the war!
Posted by: Match Checksout at August 16, 2021 10:27 AM (dYe5S)
Posted by: Dave in Fla (5p7BC) at August 16, 2021 10:22 AM (5p7BC)
Same. He and Taibibi (? The guy from Rolling Stone magazine) are true moderates who have stuck by their principles, and that makes them essentially on our side at this point.
Have I mentioned how much this timeline annoys me?
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at August 16, 2021 10:27 AM (1lKRm)
https://tinyurl.com/tpt2hpn7
I'm not going to bet on when the Chi-Coms cross the Strait b/c my last estimation of when Kabul will fall (4 weeks) was way fuckin' off. Mostly because I assumed the Afghan military would actually *fight* and not just give those nice shiny US arms to the Taliban once they showed up.
Posted by: Thrawn at August 16, 2021 10:27 AM (wQb4c)
Posted by: IC at August 16, 2021 10:27 AM (hV9ir)
Posted by: sniffybigtoe
If Christ had a CHL, he'd have carried the 1873 SAA Colt.
"Blessed are the Peacemakers"
Posted by: rickb223 at August 16, 2021 10:28 AM (OCTRt)
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Chips & Salsa? I was thinking our dish today is Our Goose Is Cooked.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at August 16, 2021 10:28 AM (d9FiS)
Posted by: SMOD at August 16, 2021 10:28 AM (RHGPo)
Posted by: Marcus T at August 16, 2021 10:25 AM (sOXXq)
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Indeed.
The Brit Defense Secretary has admitted that they will likely have to leave people behind.
Makes ya wonder what long term affects this will have on international relations and military operations?
Posted by: Diogenes at August 16, 2021 10:28 AM (axyOa)
Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at August 16, 2021 10:28 AM (J8mMZ)
Posted by: Marcus T at August 16, 2021 10:28 AM (sOXXq)
Posted by: t-bird at August 16, 2021 10:28 AM (/2aWP)
*thinks better of mentioning Prometheus and does not mention Prometheus*
*does own part to keep this thread Prometheus free*
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, nihilism is all fun and games with a Carpenter leading the way at August 16, 2021 10:26 AM (LvTSG)
I can't help you if'n you are gonna take a gift of partial truth and emphasize the wrong things.
Posted by: Muad'dib - Shhhhh Baby, We're in New South Wales at August 16, 2021 10:28 AM (sjdRT)
Posted by: BignJames at August 16, 2021 10:29 AM (AwYPR)
Posted by: CN at August 16, 2021 10:29 AM (ONvIw)
Posted by: SMH - Dissidentin' in the USSA at August 16, 2021 10:29 AM (uH/JQ)
Posted by: ZOD at August 16, 2021 10:29 AM (xK9An)
Pierre Omidyar (one of Ebay founders) picks up the check. Omidyar is one of the big money movers for Obama's capitulation to Iran and the revival of the JCPOA agreement under the Biden junta.
He is the one paying for Bulwark bullshit among other 'rightie' media properties.
Posted by: whig at August 16, 2021 10:26 AM (pO7gM)
Thanks for the correction. Really. Pierre has a much funnier and blog-contributing name than George.
Posted by: Muad'dib - Shhhhh Baby, We're in New South Wales at August 16, 2021 10:30 AM (sjdRT)
The Brit Defense Secretary has admitted that they will likely have to leave people behind.
Makes ya wonder what long term affects this will have on international relations and military operations?
Posted by: Diogenes at August 16, 2021 10:28 AM (axyOa)"
No offense to my UK brothers who served, but fuck their government too. They gave up on AFG a long time ago and exited in 2014. They really haven't given a shit since then.
Posted by: Marcus T at August 16, 2021 10:30 AM (sOXXq)
Posted by: Scott_T at August 16, 2021 10:30 AM (2waQ7)
Posted by: lowandslow at August 16, 2021 10:30 AM (qH6FZ)
Posted by: Inventive at August 16, 2021 10:30 AM (AV9yQ)
- Millenial voters
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at August 16, 2021 10:30 AM (GQ5VU)
Posted by: Rex B at August 16, 2021 10:30 AM (Od24J)
@stillgray
Australia says that you will have to drink with your mask on.
https://tinyurl.com/ygzaqa3f
Posted by: Tami at August 16, 2021 10:30 AM (cF8AT)
Looks like the adult version of a chick I dated in junior high. Or what I assume her to look like 47 years later.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 16, 2021 10:30 AM (s2VJv)
Have I mentioned how much this timeline annoys me?
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at August 16, 2021 10:27 AM (1lKRm)
That Taibibi guy is a good writer. He has an interestnig blog ($ required tho)
Posted by: LASue at August 16, 2021 10:30 AM (Ed8Zd)
No. They didn't have microwave popcorn either. What's your point?
Posted by: grammie winger at August 16, 2021 10:30 AM (45fpk)
Posted by: Ripley at August 16, 2021 10:30 AM (MxEKc)
Posted by: Jen the original at August 16, 2021 10:31 AM (5HZN2)
Posted by: The White House at August 16, 2021 10:31 AM (lIIT7)
Basically our foreign and military policy in Afghanistan for the last twenty years was to a) get Bin Ladin and Al Queda, and b) make Afghanistan a country again.
a) is a relatively straightforward military objective--b) recreating a country by creating a liberal democracy surrounded by Pakistan, Iran, China, etc. was a pointless exercise in hubris paid for by the treasure of the US and the blood of our service people.
In a way, it is similar to the fall of China after WWII. When the general mass of supposed troops of a regime refuse to fight and die for it, then the ideologically committed will win regardless of the superiority of arms.
Posted by: whig at August 16, 2021 10:31 AM (pO7gM)
Books, beans, the Bible and booze
Posted by: Miklos, a ben Franklin Pessimist at August 16, 2021 10:23 AM (QzkSJ)
you forgot boobs...
Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at August 16, 2021 10:31 AM (8D42x)
Posted by: grammie winger
Rock, Glock, what's the difference?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at August 16, 2021 10:31 AM (d9FiS)
Posted by: Mainah at August 16, 2021 10:31 AM (Boy/L)
"Blessed are the Peacemakers"
Posted by: rickb223 at August 16, 2021 10:28 AM (OCTRt)
And it would of been sufficient. After all, his 'ol man could open up whole seas, or kill y ou with frogs and locusts.
Posted by: Diogenes at August 16, 2021 10:31 AM (axyOa)
Posted by: rickb223 at August 16, 2021 10:31 AM (OCTRt)
Posted by: Marcus T at August 16, 2021 10:32 AM (sOXXq)
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at August 16, 2021 10:32 AM (/XOcP)
Posted by: Northernlurkerish at August 16, 2021 10:32 AM (cSyAR)
Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at August 16, 2021 10:33 AM (49Exr)
Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at August 16, 2021 10:31 AM (8D42x)
I'm frankly embarrassed that I missed a mission-critical one of the basics.
Posted by: Muad'dib - Shhhhh Baby, We're in New South Wales at August 16, 2021 10:33 AM (sjdRT)
No. But a bunch had swords.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 16, 2021 10:31 AM (OCTRt)
They couldn't afford guns.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy (z5Vrg) - The Republic is Already Dead at August 16, 2021 10:33 AM (z5Vrg)
Posted by: Thrawn at August 16, 2021 10:27 AM
I am shocked that they haven't invaded Taiwan already. biden certainly isn't going to order the military to intervene. Plus we no longer have enough assets in the area to even slow them down. In the not too distant past we had a dozen submarines patrolling that are of the World, now we are lucky if we can keep two boats out there keeping an eye on things.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at August 16, 2021 10:33 AM (JUOKG)
Posted by: rickb223 at August 16, 2021 10:26 AM (OCTRt)
And you have to get your dinner to go because you're full by the time it arrives.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at August 16, 2021 10:33 AM (T7iTv)
How can we lose Afghanistan when we have all that technology?
LOL.
Posted by: JAS, AoSHQ addict at August 16, 2021 10:33 AM (xopIz)
Biden doesn't need to give a canned speech he didn't write and can barely read.
He needs to answer actual questions from real reporters, not the DNC propagandists with bylines that masquerade as White House journos, about why his admin has been AWOL for the last week.
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Wanna bet the former is exactly what he does? And takes no questions.
Posted by: Tami at August 16, 2021 10:33 AM (cF8AT)
Posted by: Miklos awaits his bogracs at August 16, 2021 10:34 AM (QzkSJ)
Posted by: Ripley at August 16, 2021 10:30 AM (MxEKc)
Unless you're being /s, that's....not how it works here.
Posted by: Dark Helmet at August 16, 2021 10:34 AM (Oka5v)
So we surrender Afghanistan to the CCP. Im gonna take a guess that the Taliban arent so much interested in Chinese rule.
So we go back to the Military Industrial Complex supplying jihadists with weapons, paid for by you and me, that take down CCP military aircraft.
The wheels go round n round...
Posted by: BluesFish at August 16, 2021 10:34 AM (kPJ/p)
I can understand leaving Afghanistan, but not like this where it's an evacuation.
Fuck the NeoCons, I don't want a US soldier stepping foot on foreign soil again unless the homeland was actually attacked. And then I want to destroy the place and leave.
Posted by: Blago at August 16, 2021 10:34 AM (PwNLq)
Ironically enough he was the guv of Delaware while Senile Joe was a senator from Delaware.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at August 16, 2021 10:34 AM (GQ5VU)
Posted by: Jordan61, I am the 10% at August 16, 2021 10:23 AM (Ez6QX)
Nothing, because I changed it. Ha ha!
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at August 16, 2021 10:34 AM (YXnKW)
Note me, I knew it would be a disaster, Desert Storm did excellent but Bush screwed up and stopped too soon. Then the Democrats took over and just like 'Nam it all went to sh*t. Bush was always Democrat-Lite.
Posted by: Vic at August 16, 2021 10:34 AM (mpXpK)
Seems there are consequences when you lockdown the country
Posted by: SMOD at August 16, 2021 10:34 AM (RHGPo)
One guy had the jawbone of an ass. Brick Tamland had a trident.
Posted by: ZOD at August 16, 2021 10:34 AM (xK9An)
Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at August 16, 2021
***
Somebody p'shopped him as Indiana Jones? Ever since Jurassic World, I've been saying that would be the perfect casting
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at August 16, 2021 10:34 AM (/XOcP)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at August 16, 2021 10:34 AM (d9FiS)
Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 16, 2021 10:34 AM (BFigT)
How can we lose Afghanistan when we have all that technology?
LOL.
Posted by: JAS, AoSHQ addict at August 16, 2021 10:33 AM (xopIz)
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A great plot for a modern day James Bond movie would be set to something like this. The intelligence apparatus, that had left the relics like Bond behind, have committed giant errors in a region and everythins is suddenly going to shit. Bond has to go in and rescue someone or something.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, nihilism is all fun and games with a Carpenter leading the way at August 16, 2021 10:35 AM (LvTSG)
I've heard this from more than one person who did work with the homeless. Most big cities have substantial charity for homeless people. It never really accomplishes anything. Between the mentally ill and people who just don't want to live the lifestyle that non-homeless people think is rational and good, there's probably no fixing the homeless problem unless you are willing to incarcerate or euthanize them.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at August 16, 2021 10:35 AM (QU5/8)
Don't you understand that Karen doesn't have to hear about Trump's mean tweets anymore?
And that's what's really important.
Posted by: Mrm88 at August 16, 2021 10:35 AM (jIL4c)
Posted by: Blago at August 16, 2021 10:34 AM (PwNLq)
__
But then how do we become multi millionaires?
- Execs at defense contractors
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at August 16, 2021 10:35 AM (GQ5VU)
Posted by: rickb223
And you have to get your dinner to go because you're full by the time it arrives.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic
Ahhhh. So you've seen me.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 16, 2021 10:35 AM (OCTRt)
No. But a bunch had swords.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 16, 2021 10:31 AM (OCTRt)
They couldn't afford guns.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy (z5Vrg) - The Republic is Already Dead at August 16, 2021 10:33 AM (z5Vrg)
They didn't have running water or pasteurization either. Is that guy stoned?
Posted by: CN at August 16, 2021 10:35 AM (ONvIw)
Posted by: SturmToddler
It's BYOB
I'll teach the girls to cook just fine.
Posted by: Miklos awaits his bogracs at August 16, 2021 10:34 AM (QzkSJ)
Bring your own burqa?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 16, 2021 10:35 AM (s2VJv)
Where was the last place that you saw it?
Posted by: Joe Biden at August 16, 2021 10:35 AM (z36Kd)
In a similar way, Armand Hammer, who founded Occidental Oil and later Occidental College where Barry was for two years, had close ties to the Soviet leadership from Lenin and all subsequent leaders until Hammer's death.
Posted by: whig at August 16, 2021 10:35 AM (pO7gM)
If the Pentagon had done what Trump commanded and pulled out of Afghanistan, we'd see the same stuff happening, just a bit slower. He wasn't a hands-on guy for military stuff, trusting the "experts" so they would have done the same stupid crap and gotten the same stupid results.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 16, 2021 10:35 AM (KZzsI)
Pete Teal is also an eBay founder I believe. Apparently they weren't friends.
Posted by: clutch at August 16, 2021 10:35 AM (9UmRs)
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at August 16, 2021 10:34 AM (YXnKW)
Well it's still Gianna
Posted by: CN at August 16, 2021 10:36 AM (ONvIw)
Posted by: LASue at August 16, 2021 10:30 AM (Ed8Zd)
Taibbi's always been a funny writer in terms of mocking gasbags like Thomas "Flathead" Friedman but I don't know if I'd trust him as much as the pale praying mantis as far as backstabbing.
Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at August 16, 2021 10:36 AM (y7DUB)
They'll eventually be settled in residential areas.
Posted by: Biden at August 16, 2021 10:36 AM (WdyQe)
No. But a bunch had swords.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 16, 2021 10:31 AM (OCTRt)
And at least one had the jaw bone of an ass. As opposed to the guy who tweeted that question who is definitely just an ass.
Posted by: Archer at August 16, 2021 10:36 AM (gmo/4)
Posted by: President Select Decaf at August 16, 2021 10:37 AM (RMGKK)
Posted by: Northernlurkerish at August 16, 2021 10:32 AM (cSyAR)
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RAISES HAND!!
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at August 16, 2021 10:37 AM (GQ5VU)
Cassandra and Kennilworth Kensington, of the Kandahar Kensingtons.
They starred in "Whoa! Fast!", an eerily prescient 60s flick about the fall of Afghanistan.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at August 16, 2021 10:37 AM (+2sc/)
Posted by: Tami at August 16, 2021 10:33 AM (cF8AT)
Sucker bet.
The only interesting wagers will be how often he blames Trump.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 16, 2021 10:37 AM (Q9lwr)
Posted by: whig at August 16, 2021 10:26 AM (pO7gM)
Also note that Greenwald had to escape the thumb of Omidyar by abandoning a publication that Greenwald himself helped to create. Far more principled than any Bullwork cvck. I'll forgive him for his sockpuppet foolishness from way back when.
Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at August 16, 2021 10:37 AM (DXFDM)
Posted by: whig at August 16, 2021 10:31 AM (pO7gM)"
Here's the worst part. I've heard so many GO's and field grades tell me all about how they studied the history of that place. Yet most of them determined it was irrelevant and they could change things as you stated. That right there, that lack of self awareness and outright hubris will be our downfall. These people are and always will be a tribal society. That is, until someone comes in and completely goes scorched earth in order to bring them screaming into this century. I doubt anyone has the balls to do that now. So here they go back to a tribally based, authoritarian terrorist theocracy.
Posted by: Marcus T at August 16, 2021 10:38 AM (sOXXq)
Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at August 16, 2021 10:38 AM (K58O6)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 16, 2021 10:38 AM (KZzsI)
Jael had some tent peg tricks that were pretty cool. But she's a woman so I don't know if that counts.
Posted by: grammie winger at August 16, 2021 10:38 AM (45fpk)
- Execs at defense contractors
Posted by: Joe XiDen
And to be intellectually honest, this was mostly a "Republican" form of graft that I actually have to concede liberals were right about.
Even Eisenhower warned about this.
Somehow "small government" never applied to what nearly 50 cents of every tax dollar was going to.
Seeing how the Pentagon is part of the deep state and all the woke generals, I think everyone is going to start sounding like Ron Paul.
Posted by: Blago at August 16, 2021 10:38 AM (PwNLq)
Which is why he wrote this novelized version of history. Of course, the reality of Alexander in what is now Afghanistan (then it was probably called Scythia) wasn't quite like his novel, but he did get the message across.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative...Living on the Prison Planet at August 16, 2021 10:39 AM (vcOmj)
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at August 16, 2021 10:39 AM (GQ5VU)
Posted by: Archer
I can see Nanzi Pelosi way back then.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 16, 2021 10:39 AM (OCTRt)
Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at August 16, 2021 10:38 AM (K58O6)
Go past the singularity?? We don't have the physics for that.
Posted by: Muad'dib - Shhhhh Baby, We're in New South Wales at August 16, 2021 10:39 AM (sjdRT)
Once again - just what does it take to get 1,000 millikohns?
Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at August 16, 2021 10:38 AM (K58O6)
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The measurement of the Kohn is the story of an asymptotic curve. It is impossible to reach it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, nihilism is all fun and games with a Carpenter leading the way at August 16, 2021 10:39 AM (LvTSG)
You guys should have listened to us. You can't have a disastrous ending to a war if you just never end the war!
Posted by: Match Checksout at August 16, 2021 10:27 AM (dYe5S)
Exact same talking point that Billy Kristol and Gay Pirate Crenshaw were squawking to any media that would listen to them.
BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD
Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at August 16, 2021 10:39 AM (DXFDM)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at August 16, 2021 10:39 AM (d9FiS)
Hunter and Andrew Cuomo need to thank Joe for drawing fire away from them this week.
Posted by: lowandslow at August 16, 2021 10:39 AM (qH6FZ)
Posted by: Barr Durham at August 16, 2021 10:39 AM (WvtYc)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 16, 2021 10:39 AM (KZzsI)
Posted by: Diogenes at August 16, 2021 10:39 AM (axyOa)
Posted by: Engineer at August 16, 2021 10:39 AM (ExIA1)
Posted by: rickb223 at August 16, 2021 10:40 AM (OCTRt)
Posted by: ZOD at August 16, 2021 10:40 AM (xK9An)
Biden wanted to call 44 for advice but advisors convinced him not to, per WH official
Hahahaha! This all just gets worse and worse.
Posted by: Tami at August 16, 2021 10:40 AM (cF8AT)
The same ones who had I-Phones and cars
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 16, 2021 10:39 AM (KZzsI)
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And Twitter. Christians should bar themselves from all social media to be closer to God.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, nihilism is all fun and games with a Carpenter leading the way at August 16, 2021 10:40 AM (LvTSG)
Posted by: grammie winger at August 16, 2021 10:38 AM (45fpk)
Joshua had artillery at the Battle of Jericho.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 16, 2021 10:40 AM (Q9lwr)
He needs to answer actual questions from real reporters, not the DNC propagandists with bylines that masquerade as White House journos, about why his admin has been AWOL for the last week.
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Wanna bet the former is exactly what he does? And takes no questions.
Posted by: Tami at August 16, 2021 10:33 AM (cF8AT)
I want him to come out and say, "I put VP Harris in charge of this issue day one but that bitch could fuck up a wet dream, which is pretty amazing considering how she got her start in politics. No questions."
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at August 16, 2021 10:40 AM (T7iTv)
If you told me 15 years ago that would be the case, I would have called you insane.
And I know he hasn't changed his positions.
Posted by: Dave in Fla (5p7BC) at August 16, 2021 10:22 AM (5p7BC)
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Same here, and I even remember the horde jokes about Glenn's sock puppets.
Posted by: President Select Decaf at August 16, 2021 10:40 AM (RMGKK)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 16, 2021 10:39 AM (KZzsI)
But the early church was all in one Accord.
Posted by: Northernlurkerish at August 16, 2021 10:40 AM (cSyAR)
Posted by: Diogenes at August 16, 2021 10:39 AM (axyOa)
I'd go if I could find a goat fucking costume.
Posted by: Muad'dib - Shhhhh Baby, We're in New South Wales at August 16, 2021 10:40 AM (sjdRT)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 16, 2021 10:35 AM (KZzsI)
Somewhere this morning I saw a tweet in which Trump's agreement with the Taliban was briefly explained. It also listed eight different events where the Taliban broke the agreement and Trump ordered retalitation for them in the order of bomb strikes, etc. I don't believe the exact same thing would have happened because Trump would not have allowed the first town taken over by the Taliban to stand.
Posted by: Jen the original at August 16, 2021 10:40 AM (5HZN2)
Biden wanted to call 44 for advice but advisors convinced him not to, per WH official
Hahahaha! This all just gets worse and worse.
Posted by: Tami at August 16, 2021 10:40 AM (cF8AT)
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Holy shit, that's hilarious. Biden's on his own, and he's realizing how stupid he actually is. It's gotta hurt.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, nihilism is all fun and games with a Carpenter leading the way at August 16, 2021 10:40 AM (LvTSG)
Do you think he will reward himself now, or wait until our military hardware is used against civilians in the US?
Posted by: Tom Tuttle from Tacoma at August 16, 2021 10:21 AM (L9P9s)
Hahaha....yup. He can get with Petraeus, when he's not banging the help, and they can pin a nice rainbow colored, turd shaped ribbon on the back of their tunics, since the front is full up with all their gobblygook.
Then they can run for President /Vice President on the democrat ticket in 2024.
Win-win.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 16, 2021 10:40 AM (R/m4+)
Fuck the NeoCons, I don't want a US soldier stepping foot on foreign soil again unless the homeland was actually attacked. And then I want to destroy the place and leave.
Posted by: Blago at August 16, 2021 10:34 AM
If he would have followed Trump's plan this would not have happened. Evacuate the civilians first, destroy any military equipment that can't be removed and then evacuate the military. biden refused to follow the plan because "trump" and it's complete and utter disaster now with civilians clinging to airplanes and falling to their death to get out of the Country ahead of the taliban. biden owns this 100%.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at August 16, 2021 10:41 AM (JUOKG)
Posted by: Diogenes at August 16, 2021 10:28 AM
People as in bureaucrats or as in military?
Posted by: clutch at August 16, 2021 10:41 AM (9UmRs)
"Four cars were full of money, they tried to stuff another part of the money into a helicopter, but not all of it fit. And some of the money was left lying on the tarmac," Ishchenko was quoted as saying.
Posted by: SMOD at August 16, 2021 10:42 AM (RHGPo)
Posted by: Blago at August 16, 2021 10:34 AM (PwNLq)
An actual declaration of war which requires an unconditional surrender of one side or the other.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at August 16, 2021 10:42 AM (T7iTv)
Completely false. Trump and Pompeo had a conditions based strategy- and they proved it several times via the intra Afghan talks. Every time the Taliban defied them, they got smoked. That's demonstrably true. They were even thinking about holding onto to Bagram, which Puddin Head unconditionally abandoned.
Now Trump wasn't going to stay forever, and the Taliban may have indeed eventually taken over, but it wasn't going to look like this.
Posted by: Marcus T at August 16, 2021 10:42 AM (sOXXq)
Posted by: Diogenes at August 16, 2021 10:28 AM
People as in bureaucrats or as in military?
Posted by: clutch at August 16, 2021 10:41 AM (9UmRs)
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Bureaucrats are first in line. Way down second is the military. Third is civilians, unless they're famous.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, nihilism is all fun and games with a Carpenter leading the way at August 16, 2021 10:42 AM (LvTSG)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton
Whatever boils yo crawfish, mon ami
*fires up button accordion, and instructs the jeunes filles to make hot wit' dem fiddles*
Posted by: Miklos awaits his bogracs at August 16, 2021 10:42 AM (QzkSJ)
Yeah, Goldeneye was kind of that way (M hated Bond as a throwback and was all into modern tech, he showed you have to have someone like him), but I think a more clear statement would be a good film.
Start out with field agents being retrained to work a desk, because the way intelligence is done now is all remote through satellite imagery, spying on social media, etc. Show how the data gathered is useful as far as it goes but does not give the results that the man in the field working in the actual region does.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 16, 2021 10:43 AM (KZzsI)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 16, 2021 10:43 AM (/U27+)
Posted by: SMOD at August 16, 2021 10:43 AM (RHGPo)
Posted by: Northernlurkerish at August 16, 2021 10:43 AM (cSyAR)
I know everyone thinks the media and vote counting means Dems are unstoppable , but I see the die being cast on Biden. Highly doubt he's going to be the nominee and you're going to start seeing Dems jockeying for position for 2024. Economy also looks like its sputtering on the last fumes of stimulus.
Posted by: Blago at August 16, 2021 10:43 AM (PwNLq)
Posted by: Cosda at August 16, 2021 10:23 AM (RDxa6)
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They're now just trying to work out how to keep saying that for the entirety of a 10 minute speech.
Posted by: President Select Decaf at August 16, 2021 10:43 AM (RMGKK)
Seeing how the Pentagon is part of the deep state and all the woke generals, I think everyone is going to start sounding like Ron Paul.
Posted by: Blago at August 16, 2021 10:38 AM (PwNLq)
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I took a road trip the summer between HS and college and drove all over the country. One thing that kind of struck me was how many military bases there were. Like they were everywhere. You couldn't drive an hour without seeing a sign that said Naval Base exit here or Army Base this way. And I thought to myself, do we really need all this? And why the fuck is there a Naval base is Indiana??!?!?
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at August 16, 2021 10:43 AM (GQ5VU)
Posted by: lowandslow at August 16, 2021 10:44 AM (qH6FZ)
Posted by: Vic
At the time of Desert Storm, I had just started a new job, and my boss was an expatriate Iraqi (a Kurd). He was a great guy, but we disagreed on the outcome of the Desert Storm operation. I said they should have gone on to Bagdad and gotten Saddam. He said that was a mistake, we didn't have the right to change Iraq. He was connected to the Iraqi National Congress, and said a couple of times they almost assassinated Saddam. Never got it done.
About a year and half later, he said...."You were right".
Posted by: Bozo Conservative...Living on the Prison Planet at August 16, 2021 10:44 AM (vcOmj)
I know everyone thinks the media and vote counting means Dems are unstoppable , but I see the die being cast on Biden. Highly doubt he's going to be the nominee and you're going to start seeing Dems jockeying for position for 2024. Economy also looks like its sputtering on the last fumes of stimulus.
Posted by: Blago at August 16, 2021 10:43 AM (PwNLq)
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I still think Biden is going to live until at least 2035, and that he's going to run for re-election.
I would love it if Kamala decides to run against him in the 2024 primary, though. That would be hilarious.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, nihilism is all fun and games with a Carpenter leading the way at August 16, 2021 10:44 AM (LvTSG)
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Is that what passes for deep thought on Twatter? Americans shouldn't own guns because people who lived thousands of years before guns were invented didn't own guns?
Nobody in the Bible had computers or telephones or air conditioning either. Does that mean we don't need or shouldn't use those things either?
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at August 16, 2021 10:44 AM (k4dH2)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at August 16, 2021 10:40 AM (LvTSG)
No...it's worse. He has glimpses of reality as he emerges from the fog of dementia, and he understands what is going on, and that he is overwhelmed.
And I have zero sympathy.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 16, 2021 10:44 AM (Q9lwr)
Posted by: irright at August 16, 2021 10:44 AM (8rX4S)
He wanted us out by January this year and ordered the Pentagon to do so. I'm not sure how that somehow gives different results, particularly as the same people in the military were in charge, then. They'd have made the same kind of stupid choices leaving crap behind, etc.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 16, 2021 10:44 AM (KZzsI)
Absenting the established and regarded institutions of a democratic society, democracy reverts to its first base as merely a method of selection - and we saw a mere 10 months ago how easily THAT can be subverted: even in a society where there is still a high, if steadily declining, faith in institutions. You cannot paste a functioning democracy on top of the Middle East culture and society.
Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at August 16, 2021 10:44 AM (K58O6)
Posted by: kallisto at August 16, 2021 10:44 AM (DJFLF)
Posted by: Muad'dib
*looks left, looks right*
I can help with the goat leggings.
Posted by: Sgt. Miklos Friday from the FBI at August 16, 2021 10:44 AM (QzkSJ)
Posted by: CN at August 16, 2021 10:29 AM (ONvIw)
Not Gianna, sorry.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at August 16, 2021 10:45 AM (YXnKW)
Then the truly cowardly come out and start making apologies for their wrong-think and beg forgiveness.
Here it is, butt-wipes..... Going into Asscrackistan wasn't a bad idea, it was simply executed wrongly.
A hundred Special Forces did in 6 Months what the entire Russian Army couldn't do in 10 years.
Then the Big Generals with their big guns and big Units wanted in on it.
Posted by: Uncle Rick at August 16, 2021 10:45 AM (56PnC)
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at August 16, 2021 10:45 AM (QU5/8)
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at August 16, 2021 10:45 AM (K2SnJ)
If Biden outlives me I'm gonna be pissed.
Posted by: f'd at August 16, 2021 10:45 AM (Tnijr)
Posted by: Hacky Psaki at August 16, 2021 10:46 AM (GmzvP)
Yes. There's neither the climate nor the space for anything profound, only shower thoughts and sophistry.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 16, 2021 10:46 AM (KZzsI)
Posted by: Southern border at August 16, 2021 10:46 AM (Ayos0)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
I mostly agree, I do think though they would have probably waited as they know Trump had no problem taking the gloves off.
With Biden. they knew they could rub our faces in it.
Even though its essentially a coup for the military to disobey a President, politically Trump was lucky not to have gone through this. He would have been destroyed in 2020.
Posted by: Blago at August 16, 2021 10:46 AM (PwNLq)
Posted by: Northernlurkerish at August 16, 2021 10:43 AM
Yes he did. They destroyed an entire French fleet to prevent the Germans from getting the ships.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at August 16, 2021 10:46 AM (JUOKG)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 16, 2021 10:46 AM (CjFDo)
Call the guys who made the bear costume for Super Troopers
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 16, 2021 10:47 AM (KZzsI)
Posted by: kallisto at August 16, 2021 10:47 AM (DJFLF)
Posted by: Northernlurkerish at August 16, 2021 10:43 AM (cSyAR)
Yup. July 1940, after France fell...he ordered an attack on the French fleet in Algeria.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 16, 2021 10:47 AM (Q9lwr)
Posted by: EveR at August 16, 2021 10:47 AM (MUpk6)
Posted by: Sing along with Mitch-Miklos Miller! Zippity do-da, zippity-a at August 16, 2021 10:47 AM (QzkSJ)
Posted by: lowandslow at August 16, 2021 10:44 AM (qH6FZ)
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CNN spent 48 hours talking about Trump eating 2 scopps of ice cream. I give zero fucks if everything Jack is says is a lie. Spread that shit far and wide.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at August 16, 2021 10:47 AM (GQ5VU)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, nihilism is all fun and games with a Carpenter leading the way at August 16, 2021 10:40 AM (LvTSG)
You know the stench of failure is bad when even King Mierdas has to edge away from it. Failure truly is an orphan, huh Bidum?
Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at August 16, 2021 10:47 AM (DXFDM)
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How so? Why even offer that up? This is on Biden, this is on the generals, this is on the ruling class. They all suck. Trump never lost an embassy.
Posted by: SH (Non-Elite) at August 16, 2021 10:47 AM (sX1BW)
Posted by: It's me donna at August 16, 2021 10:47 AM (I2VcN)
Just because the Bible doesn't contain an exhaustive Domesday-Book-style inventory of the accoutrements of the age does not mean that there was *not* HFAC, guns, computers, or telephones at that time.
It just means that the folks using the stuff thought it so commonplace as not to have felt a need of mentioning it. Not unlike today.
Posted by: ZOD at August 16, 2021 10:47 AM (xK9An)
Luke 22:36, New Millennial Version
Posted by: James Schuler at August 16, 2021 10:48 AM (j7w9/)
he'd have looked bad this year, had he won, but it would not have affected the election as he wanted it done by the end of 2020. The bad imagery etc would have all been after the election.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 16, 2021 10:48 AM (KZzsI)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy is a great start, but there is so much more to be done! at August 16, 2021 10:48 AM (w/oaB)
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at August 16, 2021 10:48 AM (GQ5VU)
I knew a couple that walked away from a mortgage* to live on the streets so they could do heroin 24/7. They were still in a lucid state, they knew their future would be maybe a year of partying, then selling themselves when the money ran out, then life on the streets as addicts with no heroin, then death.
And they were fine with that.
*that was their side to the story, more likely they were foreclosed on because they were spending the mortgage payment on heroin
Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at August 16, 2021 10:48 AM (49Exr)
Posted by: rd at August 16, 2021 10:49 AM (Z32m1)
Somewhere thereabouts in the 60's and early 70's, the Arab socialist movement, partially funded by the Soviets, rose to a peak and then collapsed because of their inability to take out Israel. The few semi secular regimes left in N. Africa and the Middle East have little cultural impact as the West at the same time more or less surrendered its liberal cultural hegemony as evil. At the same time, the huge increase in oil revenues made the Saudis able to fund their ascetic Wahhabism along with the Shiite fundamentalism coming from Iran.
Posted by: whig at August 16, 2021 10:49 AM (pO7gM)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy is a great start, but there is so much more to be done! at August 16, 2021 10:49 AM (w/oaB)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy is a great start, but there is so much more to be done! at August 16, 2021 10:48 AM (w/oaB)
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I look to the GOP to betray me, but never to save me.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at August 16, 2021 10:49 AM (GQ5VU)
Posted by: Northernlurkerish at August 16, 2021 10:43 AM (cSyAR)
Yup. July 1940, after France fell...he ordered an attack on the French fleet in Algeria.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
Was that after the French bombed Pearl Harbor?
Posted by: Official University Degree Person Miklos at August 16, 2021 10:49 AM (QzkSJ)
Asscrackistan wasn't a bad idea, it was led by the wrong people and they fucked it up.
Big Units, Big Divisions, Marines, etc aren't useful in these types of conflicts. All they are is targets. They all knew better. SF had it under control
We need to clean house in the Pentagon. And in the FBI. And at DoJ. And the CIA.
Actually, all of DC should plowed under
Posted by: Uncle Rick at August 16, 2021 10:49 AM (56PnC)
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Thank God, they treated him so well in 2020.
Posted by: SH (Non-Elite) at August 16, 2021 10:49 AM (sX1BW)
It's well known amongst Biblical scholars that Noah rode a Triceratops.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at August 16, 2021 10:49 AM (QU5/8)
Posted by: Match Checksout at August 16, 2021 10:49 AM (dYe5S)
If you watch any of the documentaries on McQueen, you'll know that he had his stick in more women than you can shake a film at.
Posted by: ID gent at August 16, 2021 10:49 AM (hyXBX)
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How so? Why even offer that up? This is on Biden, this is on the generals, this is on the ruling class. They all suck. Trump never lost an embassy.
Posted by: SH (Non-Elite) at August 16, 2021 10:47 AM (sX1BW)
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Because the Taliban was going to retake Afghanistan whenever we left, no matter how we left. This is a statement against the Deep State, about how they were so enamored with stopping Trump from doing what he wanted that they shot themselves in the foot by turning around and executing a worse idea for Biden. Yes, it should be said that Trump's plan would have ultimately led to pretty much the same situation, with the Taliban in complete control of the country, it would have just taken a year or two longer. The Deep State is so inept and blinded by domestic politics that they couldn't see that.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, nihilism is all fun and games with a Carpenter leading the way at August 16, 2021 10:49 AM (LvTSG)
Posted by: Gref at August 16, 2021 10:49 AM (AMIL/)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 16, 2021 10:39 AM (KZzsI)
But the early church was all in one Accord.
Posted by: Northernlurkerish at August 16, 2021 10:40 AM (cSyAR)
Ha ha! I'll bet they got great gas mileage.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at August 16, 2021 10:49 AM (YXnKW)
Back in '75, the church I was with did a good job of taking in and integrating recently arrived (1st wave) Vietnamese evacuees. And they were GOOD people, and nearly overnight became net contributors to the church and society as a whole.
I do not predict such success with any incoming Afghan refugees. In keeping with the Rant, I do predict that they'll be bums, at least in the sense of living off of the taxpayer's dole. Miight I propose though that we settle 'em all in the same parts of Minnesota where the Lutheran churches settled their Somali refugees? I mean, if we're gonna be payin' for this shit, we'd might was well make it entertaining!
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at August 16, 2021 10:50 AM (QzJWU)
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at August 16, 2021 10:48 AM (GQ5VU)
Have they blamed Cuomo's groping on climate change?
Posted by: Northernlurkerish at August 16, 2021 10:50 AM (cSyAR)
The Biden administration is not going to give priority to Americans looking to escape the Taliban in Afghanistan. They are giving priority to Afghanis. This administration is no longer feckless, pathetic, or useless, it is downright treasonous.
Posted by: Stellastwocents at August 16, 2021 10:50 AM (cRbt7)
Posted by: clutch at August 16, 2021 10:41 AM (9UmRs)
He specifically said "...some people won't get back." He was discussing both citizens and allies sho supported their effort there.
Posted by: Diogenes at August 16, 2021 10:50 AM (axyOa)
He ordered a withdrawal from Afghanistan, and while it was ignored by the Pentagon, there's no way that it would have ended up any differently. We leave, and the corrupt, pathetic losers in charge in Afghanistan collapse like a fat man punched in the gut by Mike Tyson, Taliban takes over.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 16, 2021 10:50 AM (KZzsI)
Posted by: Engineer at August 16, 2021
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Somebody suggested that last thread. I said it would be "Patterns of Farce".
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at August 16, 2021 10:50 AM (/XOcP)
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We're great at winning the war and losing the peace.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at August 16, 2021 10:50 AM (d9FiS)
That's good....
That's REAL good!!!!
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice
I didn't get the joke until your comment, then it sunk in.
Wow.
Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at August 16, 2021 10:50 AM (OssQ4)
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 16, 2021 10:50 AM (LE8xc)
We're plucking people off of a roof, the airport has been overrun, and yet somehow we're getting 30,000 refugees.
Posted by: t-bird at August 16, 2021 10:50 AM (/2aWP)
It was always conditional. He also asked the military to remove any and all equipment. They kept a special focus on that. Biden on the other hand completely ignored factors like that. I know people at DoD who were getting a lot of airtime on this during Trump. Biden ignored them. Even the despicable SECDEF leaked out today him and CJC advised Biden against this.
Posted by: Marcus T at August 16, 2021 10:50 AM (sOXXq)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy
It was a Wrist-Rocket.
Now illegal in 39 states
Posted by: Miklos had one at August 16, 2021 10:50 AM (QzkSJ)
Posted by: Tex Lovera at August 16, 2021 10:51 AM (wtvvX)
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That statement can be made without throwing Trump's name into this catastrophe.
Posted by: SH (Non-Elite) at August 16, 2021 10:51 AM (sX1BW)
Posted by: Official University Degree Person Miklos at August 16, 2021 10:49 AM (QzkSJ)
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God you're so stupid. The Germans bombed Pearl Harbor after Lincoln tweeted something mean about Hitler.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at August 16, 2021 10:51 AM (GQ5VU)
Does anyone really care what he says? He's not the one running the shit show unfolding. Let's hear from the individuals who are.
Posted by: Ziba at August 16, 2021 10:51 AM (S1hrL)
Posted by: Vic at August 16, 2021 10:34 AM (mpXpK)
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The USA cannot win a foreign war as long as democrats exist. When they aren't running the show, they prevaricate, obstruct and commit borderline (or sometimes outright) treason to defeat the mission, they pillory the fighting men and run constant psyops against the populace. When they come into power, they step down action to hold steady and consume capital and create a wedge that can be used for other policy goals. They never want to win, even if they knew how.
There is no way to win a war under those conditions.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 16, 2021 10:51 AM (3p5uk)
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at August 16, 2021 10:45 AM (YXnKW)
well it's an italian actress who did pirate films. Lisa Gastoni, then
Posted by: CN at August 16, 2021 10:51 AM (ONvIw)
He ordered a withdrawal from Afghanistan, and while it was ignored by the Pentagon, there's no way that it would have ended up any differently. We leave, and the corrupt, pathetic losers in charge in Afghanistan collapse like a fat man punched in the gut by Mike Tyson, Taliban takes over.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 16, 2021 10:50 AM (KZzsI)
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The one major difference would be the potential number of arms claimed by the Taliban. A more measured drawn down would have pulled more of these assets out of the country. But still, yes, the Taliban would end up in control of the country, or we'd never leave.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, nihilism is all fun and games with a Carpenter leading the way at August 16, 2021 10:51 AM (LvTSG)
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at August
They will never have a chance to betray me again.
Posted by: Never Voting again at August 16, 2021 10:52 AM (4dCss)
blah blah Trump blah Trump Trump blah blah. Also, Trump. Additionally, Trump.
To which I reply, you nicklefucked every single one of Trump's policies and EOs, but somehow the 'deal' Trump made with the Taliban was sacrosanct and couldn't be changed. His poor little hands were tied, and it just ain't his fault, man.
You're welcome.
Posted by: GnuBreed at August 16, 2021 10:52 AM (F0YaR)
Same with Vietnam, actually. I don't accept that we could have won without offering the peasants a serious alternative to communism. The North offered communism, while brutally and fundamentally flawed, was appealing to the unwashed masses as an alternative to corrupt bureaucratic feudalism. We offered a new set of corrupt bureaucrats. Some in the South fought fiercely against the commies (mostly those who had experienced communist abuse first hand in some aspect), but by and large they couldn't care all that much either way. Especially in the "fight to the death" way.
IMO this would have happened in some form or another at some point in time under the Trump plan as well. But, it doesn't bother me to see Biden getting the heat this time.
Posted by: Keith - Pinochet/Bell Helicopter 202447 at August 16, 2021 10:52 AM (jdGlx)
Is this a behind-the-scenes thing like Cuomo, where they are trying to distract from the nursing home deaths that could hurt other Blue State governors like Whitmer?
I KNOW they don't want Heels-Up as President, so what are they distracting us from? Or what plan are they working on, who do they want to replace Grandpa Badtouch with and how will they do it?
Posted by: acethepug at August 16, 2021 10:52 AM (qPKAe)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 16, 2021 10:52 AM (KZzsI)
Posted by: It's me donna
It's the first trial run of his new animatronic double.
Posted by: Sock Monkey * Nil desperandum at August 16, 2021 10:52 AM (3C1R+)
Posted by: ZOD at August 16, 2021 10:52 AM (xK9An)
Posted by: Joe Biden at August 16, 2021 10:52 AM (rrqyB)
Posted by: Pussy Galore at August 16, 2021 10:52 AM (GmzvP)
Essentially, Western civilization has created its own death wish cult of Nihilism which ennervates leaders, leads to hedonism, and destroys the common people.
People with no hope in the future including an afterlife will more or less surrender to the pleasure/pain destruction of the immediate now in time and ignore any long term consequences. When that proportion becomes close to a majority in society, that civilization dies.
Posted by: whig at August 16, 2021 10:53 AM (pO7gM)
Posted by: Dr. Bone at August 16, 2021 10:53 AM (JTpIQ)
Will he blow the last of his hair plugs? Stay tuned.
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 16, 2021 10:53 AM (LE8xc)
Posted by: sniffybigtoe
Speaking of St. Paul and his E-Pistol, I'm currently reading "Paul, A Biography", by the esteemed NT Wright. It is excellent, and provides a yuge amount of context for the various epistles The Apostle wrote that have become scripture. I highly recommend.
Posted by: Sharkman at August 16, 2021 10:53 AM (QkHuA)
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That was David, but his was the souped-up version, with the solar-powered turbo charger, do don't feel bad for him.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at August 16, 2021 10:53 AM (k4dH2)
https://tinyurl.com/333rhyk7
Geez. Who here ever thought they would save a spot on their Post-Apoc Team for Glenn Greenwald?
Watch him turn out to be a PMI too...
Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at August 16, 2021 10:53 AM (49Exr)
Posted by: kraken at August 16, 2021 10:53 AM (6Je/Q)
1) American personnel and civilians
2) 30,000+ Afghans
Good luck with that.
Posted by: Ziba at August 16, 2021 10:53 AM (S1hrL)
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Probably correct. I don't think many on this board care about them much either. But we do care about the sacrifices made. And we should be pissed.
Posted by: SH (Non-Elite) at August 16, 2021 10:53 AM (sX1BW)
Eventually, but he did have some requirements for leaving and he promised to punish the Taliban if they broke the agreement and he followed through when they broke the terms.... I doubt he would have left as much equipment and I believe he would have removed people from the embassy before dragging all the military out...
Posted by: It's me donna at August 16, 2021 10:53 AM (I2VcN)
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 16, 2021 10:53 AM (GdOWZ)
Posted by: Marcus T at August 16, 2021 10:54 AM (sOXXq)
Maybe. The same people in the military are in charge now as were then. These are the same military who kept active troops in Syria and doing operations after Trump told them to get out. There's not really a lot of reason to expect they would have done what they are told, given that they flat out refused to pull out when ordered to, repeatedly.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 16, 2021 10:54 AM (KZzsI)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy is a great start, but there is so much more to be done!
There is no Republican Party. Only Zuul!
Posted by: Dana Barrett at August 16, 2021 10:54 AM (vcOmj)
Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at August 16, 2021 10:54 AM (4a9Vv)
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at August 16, 2021 10:26 AM (GQ5VU)
Bingo. I still think the place should have been turned into a glass parking lot.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at August 16, 2021 10:54 AM (VwHCD)
A month that will live in infamy
Naw, it's only been seven months- we're just getting started!
Posted by: The Biden Misadministration at August 16, 2021 10:55 AM (WLHrn)
Posted by: irright at August 16, 2021
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Pic 4 does resemble Doug McClure at that.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at August 16, 2021 10:55 AM (/XOcP)
Posted by: SMOD at August 16, 2021 10:55 AM (RHGPo)
Posted by: kraken
Have you been vaxxed?
Posted by: Bozo Conservative...Living on the Prison Planet at August 16, 2021 10:55 AM (vcOmj)
Pretty sure you are right on the money with that
Posted by: It's me donna at August 16, 2021 10:56 AM (I2VcN)
They will never have a chance to betray me again.
Posted by: Never Voting again at August 16, 2021 10:52 AM (4dCss)
New nic concern troll is very concerned.
Posted by: GnuBreed at August 16, 2021 10:56 AM (F0YaR)
I AM A GS-14
I DON'T CARE IF THERE IS NO FIRST CLASS ON THIS HELICOPTER
GET ANOTHER FIRST CLASS HELCOPTER
WHO IS YOUR MANAGER, MR MACHO MILITARY MAN
MANAGER! NOW!
Posted by: Karen, calling Mr. Talban HIMSELF at August 16, 2021 10:56 AM (QzkSJ)
Yeah Wright is great on history and background. He gets screwy on justification and escatology, but if you avoid those areas he's solid.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 16, 2021 10:56 AM (KZzsI)
Posted by: SH (Non-Elite) at August 16, 2021 10:56 AM (sX1BW)
Posted by: SMOD at August 16, 2021 10:56 AM (RHGPo)
Posted by: kraken at August 16, 2021 10:53 AM (6Je/Q)
Saw an article earlier that said no priority given to American civilians over Afghans...an equal mix will be on the planes. WTF.
Posted by: Ziba at August 16, 2021 10:56 AM (S1hrL)
Posted by: Blago at August 16, 2021 10:34 AM (PwNLq)
An actual declaration of war which requires an unconditional surrender of one side or the other.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at August 16, 2021 10:42 AM (T7iTv)
This will never happen. Even if we were attacked, and by some miracle got the world to back us once again, our rules of engagement would prevent us from flattening that rock pile. Back into the briar patch we'd go.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at August 16, 2021 10:56 AM (mdjgu)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
My understanding was there was summit planned at Camp David with the Taliban.
Now that could be fake news, but it seemed like Trump wanted this "wind down" to campaign on for 2020.
Posted by: Blago at August 16, 2021 10:56 AM (rgPy5)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 16, 2021 10:50 AM (KZzsI)
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Yes, I think that was inevitable. Under Trump's plan of staged withdrawal and handover with retaliation if the Taliban violated the agreement, however, would have been less disastrous. Victory was off the table, but we were in a position to choose how we'd lose. Under the Trump strategy (assuming it was executed by the generals and military generally), there wouldn't have been functional equipment and arms left behind, the step-down would have continued gradually, main strength through retaliation would have get the Taliban in line. We wouldn't be having a new Saigon moment.
12 months after final withdrawal, the country could have been in Taliban hands after the outrageous and embarrassing defeat of the Afghan regular army (which doesn't want to fight, or sympathizes with the Taliban) regardless, yes.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 16, 2021 10:56 AM (3p5uk)
Posted by: kraken at August 16, 2021 10:57 AM (6Je/Q)
Posted by: SH (Non-Elite) at August 16, 2021 10:53 AM
THIS! My opinion. We should have sent more troops in right after 9-11. Bin Laden was cornered but Bush fucked it up in many ways. We should have leveled the place. Which wouldn't be much of a loss. And got out, no aid, no nation building etc. Fuck that. You mess with us and we will unleash hell on you and we won't even send a bottle of water. But we will level your country and leave you to your own devices.
Posted by: Minnfidel at August 16, 2021 10:57 AM (kI9rV)
Posted by: Ordinary American at August 16, 2021 10:57 AM (QIblF)
So they still have internet? Wonder how many asshats are still buried nosedeep in their phones?
Posted by: Sock Monkey * Nil desperandum at August 16, 2021 10:57 AM (3C1R+)
White House source says Kamala Harris could be heard screaming today: "They will not pin this s*** on me!"
Posted by: SMOD at August 16, 2021 10:58 AM (RHGPo)
Posted by: Joe Biden at August 16, 2021 10:58 AM (WLHrn)
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 16, 2021 10:58 AM (n+4am)
Im guessing the sword was the AR of the day.
Posted by: Fool Otto at August 16, 2021 10:58 AM (DB16e)
Bribing our enemies and occasionally killing a few of them was never, ever going to work.
Posted by: 18-1 at August 16, 2021 10:58 AM (DpkTQ)
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Yep, and it was mainly the muzzie-loving Obama and his perfumed, rainbow-colored, graduate degrees in diversity and inclusion and white fragility bullshit, generals who wrote the most ridiculous ROE's.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at August 16, 2021 10:58 AM (k4dH2)
That's the key, really. That the generals would do what they were told, when they repeatedly did not under Trump.
To me that was one of the most sickening parts, watching the military pull the mask off. Of all the possible institutions in the US, that was the one I thought least likely to stab him in the back, but they were lined up like the Panicking Woman scene in Airplane!
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 16, 2021 10:59 AM (KZzsI)
People tend to forget the 1972 Easter Offensive where North Vietnam tried to militarily conquer South Vietnam. ARVN forces with just US SF and air support destroyed that offensive. Look up the Battle of An Loc.
It wasn't until the Democrats in Congress cut off funding to Saigon that the North Vietnamese Army finally conquered South Vietnam.
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 16, 2021 10:59 AM (LE8xc)
Posted by: 18-1 at August 16, 2021 10:59 AM (DpkTQ)
They were just like the three-bladed shooting sword in The Sword and the Sorcerer.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at August 16, 2021 11:00 AM (QU5/8)
The photo of the chopper on the US Embassy in Saigon is complete bullshit.
I tried to post a link to help those few that are interested in actual history but it got rejected by the stupid filter
Posted by: Uncle Rick at August 16, 2021 11:00 AM (56PnC)
The Biden administration is not going to give priority to Americans looking to escape the Taliban in Afghanistan. They are giving priority to Afghanis. This administration is no longer feckless, pathetic, or useless, it is downright treasonous.
Posted by: Stellastwocents at August 16, 2021 10:50 AM (cRbt7)
Tom Cotton has set up a direct phone line for any American left behind in Afghanistan so that he can try to get direct help for them So far this AM he had received over 500 calls . He said that there are thousands of Americans in the country that will need evacuated .
Posted by: Jen the original at August 16, 2021 11:00 AM (5HZN2)
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Is it true? Sounds legit to me. I can see her being asked, and I can see her rightly saying screw that. It most certainly isn't her place. If Biden is incapable of leading, then she should take his place - as awful as that may be. It would not be worse, and it would at least be clarifying. I'm going to choose this is true because it is too comical to think otherwise. I can just hear some millennial staffer saying "Come on, the VP did it in Air Force One."
Posted by: SH (Non-Elite) at August 16, 2021 11:00 AM (sX1BW)
Im guessing the sword was the AR of the day.
Posted by: Fool Otto at August 16, 2021 10:58 AM (DB16e)
Ouch!!!! -- Guy at Gethsemane holding his ear and pointing at Peter.
Posted by: Napoleon XIV at August 16, 2021 11:00 AM (AiZBA)
Posted by: kraken at August 16, 2021 11:00 AM (6Je/Q)
Posted by: SH (Non-Elite) at August 16, 2021 11:00 AM (sX1BW)
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"People only like me when I'm out of sight, like under a desk. I'm just gonna keep doing that."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, nihilism is all fun and games with a Carpenter leading the way at August 16, 2021 11:01 AM (LvTSG)
With today's press and military mindset, we'd have lost WW2.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 16, 2021 11:01 AM (KZzsI)
Bribing our enemies and occasionally killing a few of them was never, ever going to work.
Posted by: 18-1 at August 16, 2021 10:58 AM (DpkTQ)
Or at least not namby-pamby your way through nation building with this politically correct "all cultures are equal" bullshit.
We imposed major changes on Germany, and we pretty much rewrote Japan's entire culture into one that made the businessman the modern day warrior. We even outlawed their religion for a while.
Did we impose anything on Afghanistan at all? No. We pretended that they'd just take to democracy like a fish to water.
Posted by: Cato, Post-Apocalyptic Scourge of the Seas at August 16, 2021 11:01 AM (Msrhc)
Yup, fait accompli and by the end of the week it will be all Fauxchi, CDC, and mandates.
Oh, and impeach Trump.
Posted by: Ziba at August 16, 2021 11:01 AM (S1hrL)
Posted by: CN at August 16, 2021 10:51 AM (ONvIw)
Yes! That's exactly who it is!
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at August 16, 2021 11:01 AM (YXnKW)
Im guessing the sword was the AR of the day.
Posted by: Fool Otto at August 16, 2021 10:58 AM (DB16e)
Ouch!!!! -- Guy at Gethsemane holding his ear and pointing at Peter.
Posted by: Napoleon XIV
Friendly fire?
Posted by: rickb223 at August 16, 2021 11:01 AM (OCTRt)
Good luck with that.
Posted by: Ziba
Math be rayciss
So no problem
Afghanis be POC
We kool
Just don't be be puttin' out yo Kools on my hardwood embassy floors
Posted by: Billt Ray Valentine, Minister of "Defense" at August 16, 2021 11:01 AM (QzkSJ)
Posted by: kallisto at August 16, 2021 11:02 AM (DJFLF)
To me that was one of the most sickening parts, watching the military pull the mask off. Of all the possible institutions in the US, that was the one I thought least likely to stab him in the back, but they were lined up like the Panicking Woman scene in Airplane!
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 16, 2021 10:59 AM (KZzsI)
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Which is why we were still in Afghanistan despite deadline after deadline expiring with no progress. But I suspect that Trump's plan (or his people's) would have had better outcomes than this shit show. And that the Biden administration is now saying this was "Trump's withdrawal" is as asinine as it is astounding. None of this was Trump's plan, and they know it. They were boasting about their new withdrawal plans - including Kamala making hay with her role in it - before it all went to shit.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 16, 2021 11:02 AM (3p5uk)
Posted by: runner at August 16, 2021 11:02 AM (iS/NP)
Posted by: Stellastwocents at August 16, 2021 10:50 AM (cRbt7)
Try getting the GOP to say this.
Posted by: Ordinary American at August 16, 2021 11:02 AM (QIblF)
Posted by: It's me donna at August 16, 2021 11:02 AM (I2VcN)
Thousands. Trained, hardened zealots.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 16, 2021 11:02 AM (KZzsI)
Why ask Harris or Biden when CNN is in bed with the Taliban? (or embedded with, I always forget)
Posted by: t-bird at August 16, 2021 11:02 AM (WLHrn)
There is something not right about all of this. And China has clearly received the signal to invade Taiwan without interference from the US. Trump was right when he said if the Dems get in we are going to see a worldwide depression the likes of which we can't imagine.
Posted by: Stellastwocents at August 16, 2021 11:03 AM (cRbt7)
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We're great at winning the war and losing the peace.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at August 16, 2021 10:50 AM (d9FiS)
When Barry McCaffrey was ordered to halt his 24th Mechanized Infantry Division along the northern Kuwait-Iraq border, he assured Schwartzkopf he could get the Division to Baghdad and take the western section within 24 hours. He requested the order to go. Refused.
McCaffrey is a libtard. He was also a hard-ass successful warfighter in Desert Storm.
Posted by: Gref at August 16, 2021 11:03 AM (AMIL/)
Posted by: Fool Otto at August 16, 2021 11:03 AM (DB16e)
Posted by: Cautionary Miklos at August 16, 2021 11:03 AM (QzkSJ)
This one is truly remarkable. *Every* single thing he says in this one tweet about guns is wrong. Dumbness Level = 980 millikohns.
No, he got one thing right, the Glock IS the standard sidearm of the NYPD.
I still think you underestimated the Dumbness Level.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 16, 2021 11:03 AM (n+4am)
People tend to forget the 1972 Easter Offensive where North Vietnam tried to militarily conquer South Vietnam. ARVN forces with just US SF and air support destroyed that offensive. Look up the Battle of An Loc.
It wasn't until the Democrats in Congress cut off funding to Saigon that the North Vietnamese Army finally conquered South Vietnam.
me:
They won't. It's easier just to accept the lying scumbag media's version than to actually understand the facts.
Posted by: Uncle Rick at August 16, 2021 11:03 AM (56PnC)
None of that Trumpian "America First" garbage on our watch!
Posted by: The White House at August 16, 2021 11:03 AM (pbStR)
Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at August 16, 2021 11:03 AM (y7DUB)
https://tinyurl.com/9jwu8yjn
Posted by: kallisto at August 16, 2021 11:03 AM (DJFLF)
Posted by: CN at August 16, 2021 11:03 AM (ONvIw)
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Excellent point!
Now do legal abortions
and Islam
Write your answers on papyrus scrolls, and place in a clay jar.
No texting.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice. Asymptomatic raycist at August 16, 2021 11:03 AM (3D/fK)
Posted by: SFGoth (KAi1n/7HpQm) at August 16, 2021 11:04 AM (KAi1n)
It's time for a fully functional POTUS
Posted by: SMOD at August 16, 2021 11:04 AM (RHGPo)
That's when you knew this war was not serious.
Posted by: 18-1 at August 16, 2021 11:04 AM (DpkTQ)
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at August 16, 2021 11:04 AM (PiwSw)
Posted by: kraken at August 16, 2021 10:53 AM (6Je/Q)
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Question 1:
Are you a white heterosexual male?
If Yes, your application has been denied
If No, go to question 2.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at August 16, 2021 11:04 AM (GQ5VU)
https://tinyurl.com/5cmyujmp
Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 16, 2021 10:19 AM (mZzAJ)
I wouldn't put it past the general incompetence of the Parasite State to have those clocks be manually adjusted by some chair-moistener pulling down six figures, who's been too stoned or busy watching pr0n at work since March to change the time.
Posted by: spindrift at August 16, 2021 11:05 AM (h5TKJ)
Posted by: runner at August 16, 2021 11:05 AM (iS/NP)
I thought it would be years. It will months or weeks until China takes it.
How long until it is US that the Chinese take?
Posted by: Dr Evil, formerly Loki, looking to water the Tree of Liberty with my F-15 and nukes at August 16, 2021 11:05 AM (KqiMr)
Posted by: OleanderSalad at August 16, 2021 11:05 AM (qTq4x)
Did they actually report that?
Posted by: It's me donna at August 16, 2021 11:05 AM (I2VcN)
Who the Dems pick for her to select as Vice President is going to be the nominee in 2024
Posted by: JoeF. at August 16, 2021 11:05 AM (mR6Gs)
Apparently, Silly General Milley is going to receive a medal for the Afghan Operation:
The Pink Starfish for Conspicuous Showing of Your Ass During a Panicked Runaway Surrender.
Wear it proudly, Sir. Wear it proudly.
Posted by: naturalfake at August 16, 2021 11:05 AM (5NkmN)
Posted by: Miklos, unmemoryholed at August 16, 2021 11:05 AM (QzkSJ)
Posted by: Propaganda Parrot at August 16, 2021 11:05 AM (wzfz6)
Write your answers on papyrus scrolls, and place in a clay jar.
The Byzantines seemed to think Islam was just another odd Christian heresy from the boonies at first.
Of course it isn't clear what early Islam believed either based on what we have for real historical records.
Posted by: 18-1 at August 16, 2021 11:05 AM (DpkTQ)
That looks more like pico de gallo.
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 16, 2021 10:50 AM (LE8xc)
That is liquid-y. Pico has a more solid consistency.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at August 16, 2021 11:06 AM (T7iTv)
But that didn't happen. Seeing the Taliban not only with our transportation equipment but with our *weapons* and surveillance gear that we left behind has floored me. How fucking stupid are we? You don't abandon materiel in theater and leave it functional. That's super-basic shit.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 16, 2021 11:06 AM (3p5uk)
Posted by: Ordinary American at August 16, 2021 10:57 AM (QIblF)
I have a pet theory that Nero was misunderstood. He was fiddling out of joy not madness, happy to finally see this corrupt abomination burnt down to it's foundations.
Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at August 16, 2021 11:06 AM (49Exr)
Posted by: runner at August 16, 2021 11:06 AM (iS/NP)
https://tinyurl.com/57uv6s8d
Posted by: kallisto at August 16, 2021 11:02 AM (DJFLF)
But hey - at least the US government was able to fly the gay pride flag at the embassy 6 weeks ago. Not to mention the hard stop we did with the military to root out "white supremacists".
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at August 16, 2021 11:06 AM (N39Ws)
Yup. However that is beginning to grow tiresome to the base he's playing to, which is getting smaller. The media will run with it, they can't help themselves in that regard. But it's a fact every administration blames their failures on the previous one.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 16, 2021 11:06 AM (BFigT)
So basically stop a war with people that want to kill you because you are winning by too much of a margin.
Posted by: Blago at August 16, 2021 11:06 AM (rgPy5)
Posted by: runner at August 16, 2021 11:05 AM (iS/NP)
With Scatter-Site Housing provided gratis???
Posted by: kraken at August 16, 2021 11:06 AM (6Je/Q)
Bribing our enemies and occasionally killing a few of them was never, ever going to work.
Posted by: 18-1
In all honesty, the Soviets DID that in the 1980's (killed easily over a million Afghans with bombing, etc), and yet, it really didn't work.
At that time, Pakistan was giving refuge to a lot of the fighting "Mujahadeen" in the provinces. The Soviets even, on occasion, bombed Pakistan (frontier provinces).
The Muj were getting arms from the US, China and Iran. They had no loyalty to anyone, outside of their own tribe. Bin Laden would have liked to have claimed influence, but he was a useless rubber duck in a bubble bath in Afghanistan. If you read about him, he was actually kind of a dumb-ass schnook.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative...Living on the Prison Planet at August 16, 2021 11:06 AM (vcOmj)
Posted by: SMOD at August 16, 2021 11:06 AM (RHGPo)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 16, 2021 10:52 AM (KZzsI)
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I think it will. Reading posts on FB and other social media sites and people are pissed that our border is open and another 9/11 could happen.
Posted by: redridinghood at August 16, 2021 11:06 AM (NpAcC)
Yeah Schwarzkopf made two big mistakes.
1) Stopping the highway of death
2) allowing the Iraqis to use helicopters
Both were obvious, unforced errors.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 16, 2021 11:07 AM (KZzsI)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 16, 2021 11:07 AM (GPwVZ)
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Wasn't this the plot from the last season of Homeland?
Posted by: SH (Non-Elite) at August 16, 2021 11:07 AM (sX1BW)
Posted by: Blago at August 16, 2021 11:07 AM (rgPy5)
Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at August 16, 2021 11:06 AM (49Exr)
Or maybe he realized that there was nothing he could do but dance around the fire of everything he once believed in.
Posted by: Cato, Post-Apocalyptic Scourge of the Seas at August 16, 2021 11:07 AM (Msrhc)
Posted by: Ordinary American at August 16, 2021 11:07 AM (QIblF)
Gen Milley will you be resigning over this failure?
Posted by: 18-1 at August 16, 2021 11:07 AM (DpkTQ)
Who the Dems pick for her to select as Vice President is going to be the nominee in 2024
Posted by: JoeF. at August 16, 2021 11:05 AM (mR6Gs)
Yeah, I suspect Veep Throat will find herself aced out of most news cycles by whatever her Veep is doing.
Posted by: naturalfake at August 16, 2021 11:07 AM (5NkmN)
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 16, 2021 11:06 AM (3p5uk)
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Biden is owned by China. China wanted that equipment. It's not stupidity, it's following the chain of command....Xi to Biden to Miley on down.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at August 16, 2021 11:07 AM (GQ5VU)
Anyway, he's not above saying things just to get clicks.
He also never seems to sleep.
Posted by: JoeF. at August 16, 2021 11:07 AM (mR6Gs)
The line is really blurred between the two. Salsa is usually much hotter than pico though.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 16, 2021 11:08 AM (KZzsI)
That looks more like pico de gallo.
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 16, 2021 10:50 AM (LE8xc)
That is liquid-y. Pico has a more solid consistency.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at August 16, 2021 11:06 AM (T7iTv)
So something along the consistency of that Iranian General Solemeini after he was visited by a couple of our drones? Back when the USA actually had a president?
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at August 16, 2021 11:08 AM (N39Ws)
https://tinyurl.com/9jwu8yjn
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That was a month ago.
It's just unreal how f*cking clueless that senile old fool is.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at August 16, 2021 11:08 AM (k4dH2)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, nihilism is all fun and games with a Carpenter leading the way at August 16, 2021 11:08 AM (LvTSG)
Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at August 16, 2021 11:08 AM (khAeP)
hmm. that gives me an idea. *scribbles* pico brittle
Posted by: Anachronda at August 16, 2021 11:08 AM (fGXo6)
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Why not just send James Taylor to sing an acoustic song of peace?
Posted by: SH (Non-Elite) at August 16, 2021 11:08 AM (sX1BW)
Me: Turkey refused to allow the 4th Division (the US Military's most powerful) to travel through its territory. Tactically, Bush had to stop.
Turkey is not, and has never been, an ally
Posted by: Uncle Rick at August 16, 2021 11:08 AM (56PnC)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 16, 2021 11:07 AM (GPwVZ)
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Hold back the hordes and maintain clearance for the evacuation - and hope and pray like never before that they get out on the last planes or helicopters instead of become hostages or corpses.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 16, 2021 11:08 AM (3p5uk)
So basically stop a war with people that want to kill you because you are winning by too much of a margin.
Posted by: Blago
I understand the "Mercy Rule" in D League Recreational Softball, but not in war.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 16, 2021 11:09 AM (OCTRt)
How many damned countries ARE there?!
Posted by: Kamala Harris at August 16, 2021 11:09 AM (pbStR)
Posted by: Blago at August 16, 2021 11:07 AM (rgPy5)
Unless they are already in the throes of TDS
Posted by: JoeF. at August 16, 2021 11:09 AM (mR6Gs)
Germany was a western society with a base of western values and at least some experience with a representative government.
japan was unified under the wishes of the emperor. They also had some experience with representation. When the emperor supported the MacArthur plan they went along.
Then you had the very real Soviet threat for each.
The nation building involved was relatively easy when it was obvious the war was lost. Of course, we are also talking about conventional nation states vs. religious and tribal conglomerations with non traditional values (relative to the west) and motivations.
Posted by: Keith - Pinochet/Bell Helicopter 202447 at August 16, 2021 11:09 AM (jdGlx)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 16, 2021 11:09 AM (KZzsI)
Posted by: Gref
I got stuck on stupid.
Go figuree
Posted by: Gen Miklos-Russel Honoree at August 16, 2021 11:09 AM (QzkSJ)
Illegals and now Afghan refugees. How much more are we going to take?
If this is not worth standing up for, what is?
Posted by: Ziba at August 16, 2021 11:09 AM (S1hrL)
Posted by: banana Dream at August 16, 2021 11:09 AM (auAfW)
How many damned countries ARE there?!
Posted by: Kamala Harris at August 16, 2021 11:09 AM (pbStR)
She can't focus on TWO things at the same time?
Posted by: JoeF. at August 16, 2021 11:09 AM (mR6Gs)
Posted by: JAS, AoSHQ addict at August 16, 2021 11:09 AM (xopIz)
I worked with George Soros back then, also. It, too, was for an educational project.
Posted by: French Jeton at August 16, 2021 11:10 AM (pj5K6)
Apparently the clocks are set to standard time, which means the photo was taken before March.
https://bit.ly/3yRX2TF
Posted by: bonhomme at August 16, 2021 11:10 AM (i0wNm)
That's when you knew this war was not serious.
Posted by: 18-1 at August 16, 2021 11:04 AM (DpkTQ)
I knew we were screwed when they fucked over Alan West.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at August 16, 2021 11:10 AM (VwHCD)
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 16, 2021 11:11 AM (LE8xc)
--Every leftist
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at August 16, 2021 11:11 AM (N39Ws)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 16, 2021 10:52 AM (KZzsI)
For now this will damage him more inside DC than outside, and erode his ability to enact larger agenda. Media is forced to talk about this in ways they are not with his other debacles.
Posted by: Ordinary American at August 16, 2021 11:11 AM (QIblF)
Working up my Dari translator now:
hawula' laysuu mithliiy aljins alnaaziiyn aladhin tabhath eanhum
(these are not the gay nazis you are looking for)
Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at August 16, 2021 11:11 AM (49Exr)
The media are the flying monkeys of the Democrats.
Posted by: SMOD at August 16, 2021 11:11 AM (RHGPo)
Miranda talked with Trump yesterday and said this would not have happened under Trump and gave details as to why.
Posted by: redridinghood at August 16, 2021 11:11 AM (NpAcC)
Apparently the clocks are set to standard time, which means the photo was taken before March.
https://bit.ly/3yRX2TF
Posted by: bonhomme at August 16, 2021 11:10 AM (i0wNm)
Didn't I hear that there were CIA agents on that call that were "outed" as well?
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at August 16, 2021 11:11 AM (N39Ws)
Posted by: 18-1 at August 16, 2021 11:11 AM (DpkTQ)
... or will be Jim Jones style ?
Posted by: SMOD at August 16, 2021 11:11 AM (RHGPo)
Posted by: Keith - Pinochet/Bell Helicopter 202447 at August 16, 2021 11:09 AM (jdGlx)
In 2003, I thought there was a slight chance that Iraq could be molded into a real country, but I always knew A'Stan was a lost cause.
Posted by: JoeF. at August 16, 2021 11:12 AM (mR6Gs)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 16, 2021 11:09 AM (KZzsI)
You underestimate the Left and the cluelessness of the majority of American people, imo. What hasn't the Left laid on Trump with more or less success and they're still doing it!
Posted by: Ziba at August 16, 2021 11:12 AM (S1hrL)
Was flying the gay flag in Afghanistan needless provocation?
Posted by: 18-1 at August 16, 2021 11:12 AM (DpkTQ)
Posted by: whig at August 16, 2021 10:53 AM (pO7gM
The last time this happened it was called, "The Dark Ages".
Posted by: tbodie at August 16, 2021 11:12 AM (YE5vl)
Posted by: JoeF. at August 16, 2021 11:09 AM (mR6Gs)
Trust us, she can.
Posted by: Turkish Joe, Bob and Big Mike at August 16, 2021 11:13 AM (49Exr)
Germany was a western society with a base of western values and at least some experience with a representative government.
I don't think any of this is true. Germany had virtually no history of democracy. The brief democracy it had was squalid. And the Hun's commitment to "Western" values has always been overstated. They were susceptible to normalization because we firebombed their cities into ruins, we actively deNazified the country, and doing what we said clearly beat watching their women be gangraped by Russians.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at August 16, 2021 11:13 AM (QU5/8)
Posted by: 18-1 at August 16, 2021 11:11 AM (DpkTQ)
They didn't want Trump to get credit for ending it and bringing the boys home.
Also, they tried to be too slick making the date 9/11
Posted by: JoeF. at August 16, 2021 11:13 AM (mR6Gs)
Poor Taiwan
I thought it would be years. It will months or weeks until China takes it.
Posted by: Dr Evil, formerly Loki, looking to water the Tree of Liberty with my F-15 and nukes at August 16, 2021 11:05 AM (KqiMr)
The thing that's both scary, and possibly satisfying is that I don't think there's any illusions in Taiwan about what the ChiComs are planning once they get on the ground there. Flat out genocide, because they are still jonesing for vengeance against the Kuomintang after 70+ years.
So I fully expect Taiwan to start assembling the nukes before long, and a lot of Chinese coastal cities are likely to be turned into glass parking lots, including Peking itself. Of course, Taiwan itself will be first, and it'll just be a gesture of defiance before the whole island dies, but at least it'll give the rest of the world a chance in the aftermath.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 16, 2021 11:13 AM (n+4am)
Posted by: Keith - Pinochet/Bell Helicopter 202447 at August 16, 2021 11:09 AM (jdGlx)
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You'd think they teach that at the Harvard School of Public Policy, that graduates all the super smart people at the State Dept. Apparently not.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at August 16, 2021 11:14 AM (GQ5VU)
Posted by: CZ = FNG To Remain Silent Because, FNG at August 16, 2021 11:14 AM (MkuC5)
Posted by: Ziba at August 16, 2021 11:15 AM (S1hrL)
1) American personnel and civilians
2) 30,000+ Afghans
Good luck with that.
Posted by: Ziba at August 16, 2021 10:53 AM (S1hrL)
1000 plus flights.
Posted by: LASue at August 16, 2021 11:15 AM (Ed8Zd)
I see the possibility of the use of nukes more likely than ever. The world is descending into an unsupervised kindergarten.
Posted by: Ordinary American at August 16, 2021 11:16 AM (QIblF)
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at August 16, 2021 11:13 AM (QU5/
Nonsense. Germany was totally Westernized by 2000 years of Christianity plus the Reformation
They had little history being a unified state true, but they had a lot of stuff going for it that no Muzzie country ever had.
Posted by: JoeF. at August 16, 2021 11:16 AM (mR6Gs)
Apparently the clocks are set to standard time, which means the photo was taken before March.
https://bit.ly/3yRX2TF
Posted by: bonhomme at August 16, 2021 11:10 AM (i0wNm)
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Or the clocks were wrong.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 16, 2021 11:18 AM (3p5uk)
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If history is any guide, many will fight. But not in the way we think, some cause against the Taliban, or whoever else is "in charge." They'll just fight among themselves, as they have done for ages. I see no reason to think the Taliban will "rule" Afghanistan any more than anyone else did.
I will grant that, contrary to what many say, Alexander and Genghis did beat them. But we're not likely to embrace outright genocide. And of course, neither tried to stay.
The trick is, as it has always been, to forget nation building. If this week's President for Life is too obnoxious, get in, get rid of him, and get out. Always was my position.
Posted by: Eeyore at August 16, 2021 11:19 AM (7X3UV)
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 16, 2021 11:18 AM (3p5uk)
That's reassuring
Posted by: JoeF. at August 16, 2021 11:19 AM (mR6Gs)
For the 1/2 half of 2021, only 10% of new cars sold in Norway were either gas or diesel. 60% were all electric and 30% were hybrid.
I know one of the big arguments against EVs is cold weather makes them unusable. Norway is kinda cold, I think.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at August 16, 2021 11:20 AM (GQ5VU)
Or the clocks were wrong.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 16, 2021 11:18 AM (3p5uk)
They're right twice a day.
Posted by: JoeF. at August 16, 2021 11:20 AM (mR6Gs)
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at August 16, 2021 11:21 AM (GQ5VU)
Germany was Christianized fully something around, what, 700? So rather less than 2000 years.
Now, do Russia. Which was Christianized, what, some 200 years later?
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at August 16, 2021 11:22 AM (QU5/8)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 16, 2021 11:09 AM (KZzsI)
Doesn't mean they're not going to try. And when it's obvious nobody is buying it, they'll just repeat the 'Trump did it' talking points, only louder, more shrill, and more frantic.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at August 16, 2021 11:22 AM (YXnKW)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 16, 2021 11:09 AM (KZzsI)
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Obama/MSM were blaming Bush in 2013/4 for bad unemployment numbers.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at August 16, 2021 11:23 AM (GQ5VU)
For the 1/2 half of 2021, only 10% of new cars sold in Norway were either gas or diesel. 60% were all electric and 30% were hybrid.
I know one of the big arguments against EVs is cold weather makes them unusable. Norway is kinda cold, I think.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at August 16, 2021 11:20 AM (GQ5VU)
Govt incentives make it cheaper to go electric.
https://elbil.no/english/norwegian-ev-policy/
It will end in disaster.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 16, 2021 11:23 AM (UuD2k)
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Elijah called in an air support mission to fire on his position when battling the prophets of Ba'al.
Posted by: Muldoon at August 16, 2021 11:26 AM (Xwt96)
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at August 16, 2021 10:43 AM (GQ5VU)
NSWC Crane. They're a R&D base for Naval gunnery and missiles. They also manage "Constitution Grove" - a white oak forest maintained to support Old Ironsides.
Posted by: Jeff Weimer at August 16, 2021 11:26 AM (fpng3)
Posted by: Miley, the Duchess, #SuperStraight #maskless (Mzdiz) at August 16, 2021 11:26 AM (Mzdiz)
We now have multiple reports that US forces on the ground warned Biden the collapse was happening and he gave the order anyway, while saying the opposite in public
Posted by: Tami at August 16, 2021 11:27 AM (cF8AT)
Posted by: Jeff Weimer at August 16, 2021 11:28 AM (fpng3)
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at August 16, 2021 11:13 AM (QU5/
I was being generous with both German and Japan in that regard. Both had parliaments dating back before WWI, though there was strong authoritarian leadership. And clearly the Soviet threat was a critical driver for both. Firebombing both countries to ash did little to change the basic support for the regimes, though.
They were conventional conflicts, with nation states, and our alternative at the end of the war was acceptable to both societies. In the middle east, our alternatives are not acceptable to a great many parties. Our alternatives are seen as degenerate, weak, ineffective, unrealistic (relative to how they know society works). 4th Generation warfare.
Posted by: Keith - Pinochet/Bell Helicopter 202447 at August 16, 2021 11:29 AM (jdGlx)
Posted by: irongrampa at August 16, 2021 11:34 AM (KATBx)
Well, the Russians were much harsher that we would be will to be and ....
Posted by: Paladin at August 16, 2021 11:36 AM (7qvpm)
Posted by: NiV at August 16, 2021 11:37 AM (XRqr/)
Posted by: JAS, AoSHQ addict at August 16, 2021 11:58 AM (xopIz)
Posted by: Jonah Kyle at August 16, 2021 12:08 PM (R4j1g)
Posted by: Delilah at August 16, 2021 12:20 PM (PfCku)
I do not feel sorry for the Afghans as a nation. let it be.
Neither nither nor and if, por favor,
dondo puerdo compra cocaina.
Just to enhance my evening during these cold times.
Truth be told I do believe the Taliban are going to behave themselves if only to prove us all wrong.
Posted by: FundMe at August 16, 2021 02:49 PM (e5IqU)
"Germany was Christianized fully something around, what, 700? So rather less than 2000 years.
"Now, do Russia. Which was Christianized, what, some 200 years later?"
A quick look at Wiki (I know, I know) tells me that missionary efforts to Christianize Germany were adversely affected by the Norman conquest of the Anglo Saxons (apparently the main source of missionaries for Germany) in 1066. And the Prussian Crusade by the Teutonic Knights to forcibly Christianize the pagan old Prussians, amongst others, was still going on in the 13th Century. So Germany wasn't fully Christianized until maybe 800 years ago. And it wouldn't surprise me to learn that there were still pockets of pagan worship remaining much later.
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