Former NSA John Ratcliffe: It Is Nearly a "Certainty" That China Created and (Accidentally) Released the Covid-19 Virus That Killed 4.5 Million People and Shut Down the Planet

Former National Security Advisor John D. Ratcliffe says he has not seen any evidence for a non-lab-based creation of covid-19.

He also says that China should forfeit its right to host the 2022 Olympic Games.


With the summer Olympics kicking off in Japan in the midst of the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic, this is a good time to remember that in a matter of just six months, another Olympic Games is scheduled to take place in Beijing, where the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) leadership coordinated -- and continues to perpetrate -- a massive cover up of the virus's origins and the circumstances surrounding its initial outbreak.

As Director of National Intelligence during much of the pandemic, I know this particularly well.

The 2022 Winter Games should go on. We should not punish hard-working athletes who have dedicated their lives to preparing for this moment. But the world -- and the International Olympic Committee (IOC) -- should not allow Beijing to enjoy the benefits of hosting a massive global event while rejecting transparency and refusing to allow inquiries into, much less answering for, the deaths of millions of people around the world.

Just last week, China rejected the World Health Organization's (WHO) plan to investigate the theory that the virus escaped from a Chinese laboratory in Wuhan. This was remarkable not only because of China's continued belligerence, but also because the WHO was once complicit, caving to the CCP's initial pressure to dismiss the lab leak theory and downplay the CCP's coverup. But now the facts are too hard for even the WHO -- and hopefully the IOC -- to ignore.

I had access to all of the U.S. government's most sensitive intelligence related to the pandemic. My informed opinion is that the lab leak theory isn't just a "possibility," at the very least it is more like a probability, if not very close to a certainty.

More than 18 months after the virus first leaked into the world, I still have not seen a single shred of scientific evidence or intelligence that the virus outbreak was a naturally occurring "spillover" that jumped from an animal to a human.

Yesterday I mentioned that the Republicans had issued a report noting that the Wuhan Institute of Pandemic Manufacture had paid for a renovation of its ventilation system in September 2019, which was right around the time that masses of people were spotted going to hospitals in Wuhan.

Jim Geraghty notes this additional fact: The Wuhan lab solicited the bids for a "Security Services procurement project" on the exact same day the Chinese deleted its database about the viruses it was performing gain-of-function research on.

Four days later, it announced a bid competition to renovate its ventilation system (which was only two years old) for $606 million.

Gee guys what do you think happened that required the Wuhan lab to gut and replace its ventilation system?!! And to delete its database of the virus research it was doing?!

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Joe Biden's top covid advisor admits that the cloth masks most people are wearing offer "very little" protection from covid, and also very little protection to other people from the mask-wearer's germs.

Cloth masks do not stop the virus from coming in, nor do they stop the virus from going out.

Fully vaccinated Dr. Guy P. Benson, Ph.D. tests positive for covid:

Lindsey Graham was also fully vaccinated, and he also came down with covid.

And he spent time this past weekend with other politicos.

Let's just hope they're all healthy! I sure wouldn't want the Senate to lack a quorum when they vote on the Human Infrastructure Bill our heroically competent Senate Republicans negotiated for us!!!

People make a big deal about vaccinated people testing positive for covid, as if this disproves the vaccines' effectiveness, but they shouldn't: Even when the vaccines were being tested, researchers announced that Pfizer and Moderna were only 91% and 94% effective (if I remember right) at fully stopping the virus.

What they always followed up with was the claim that the vaccines prevented something like 99% of all serious cases of covid-19.

I would imagine the idea is that the vaccines, having already taught the body how to make antibodies against covid-19, can produce those antibodies far faster -- no learning period required -- when infection comes. White blood cells don't have to go through the process of identifying the intruder virus and learning how to stop its ability to infect cells; they just have to begin producing the antibodies en masse with the coding already in their possession.

Thus, they provide high protection against any infection, and very high protection against serious infections.

But not complete protection.

But they were never claimed to provide that, ever.

So it's not any kind of huge point to make that vaccines which were sold as stopping most, but not all, covid infections turn out to stop most, but not all, covid infections.

That said, given Dr. Guy P. Benson, Ph.D.'s constant Panic Porn about covid, I have to ask him, as he whiningly asked the Trump Administration during a covid briefing around March/April 2020: But what about social distancing?

Dr. Benson was very, very critical of the Trump Administration for not pushing social distancing harder. They did mention it, but not with the breathless, choking fear that Dr. Guy P. Benson, Ph.D., determined was appropriate with his beakers and bunsen burners and Erlenmeyer Flasks.

So I have to ask Dr. Guy P. Benson, Ph.D., the same question: But what about social distancing, Doctor? Surely you were fully masked and maintaining a six-foot Zone of Impregnable Safety around yourself during this time of elevated panic about the Dread Delta Doom.

So how could you have gotten infected?

BUT WHAT ABOUT SOCIAL DISTANCING?!?!

I should allow that the Providence incident is closer to evidence that the vaccines are not offering >90% against any covid infection. I forget the numbers -- what was the claim, that 75% of the people in the super-spreader outbreak were vaccinated?

But most people there were probably vaccinated, and the fact that 75% of the infected in a sample were vaccinated is not the same thing as saying that 75% of the vaccinated were infected. Just like saying "almost all terrorists are Muslims" is not the same as saying "almost all Muslims are terrorists."

Still, it's that kind of evidence that would tend to establish that the vaccines do not work as advertised. You'd want to establish that the vaccines not only don't totally protect against any infection -- no one ever claimed they did -- but that they don't provide the high-but-not-complete protection they were said to provide.

Simply amplifying the fact that this guy here and and that guy there were vaccinated and got the 'rona doesn't prove the vaccines don't work as advertised. Again, the Pfizer and Moderna vaccine only claimed 91/94% total protection, and I think the J&J virus was only established to provide something like 75%/80% total protection. You'd want to establish not just that infection happens -- that was always admitted -- but that it happens at a higher rate than originally claimed.

The big selling point was always that they all reduced serious cases to a very small number, less than 1%.

As far as I know, it is now an established fact rather than a prediction or projection that the vaccines do in fact prevent 99% of all serious cases of covid. The numbers of vaccinated people being hospitalized for covid is very low, and the numbers of vaccinated people dying due to covid is even lower.

If people think the risks of vaccines that so far have only been found to be safe and effective by the reduced standards of the Emergency Use Authorization process exceed the risks on not getting them, that's understandable, though I disagree. This depends on how healthy and young you are, of course.

Personally, I think that if you're rapidly approaching age 29, as I am (and as I have been for quite some time now), and if you've got some fun stuff around your belly (as I still have, and always have had), my guess would be the risks of the vaccine itself are much lower than the risks of being unvaccinated against covid-19.

But individual decisions will of course vary.

But the "he's vaccinated, and he got 'rona" game relies on either an unwitting or willful ignorance of the high-but-imperfect level of protection of the vaccines as was always promised.

A couple of good reads on the reason for public skepticism about the vaccines:

In short, the supposed Expert Class has been lying to us not just about things like the effectiveness of masking for a long time, but about things like Russian Collusion for even longer.

This Twitter thread recounts the serial lies of The Regime, and says it's little wonder that people simply do not believe The Regime any longer.

Kurt Schlichter makes the same point in a recent column: Imagine If They Hadn't Lied to Us for 18 Months


Everybody wrap something around your face again even though they said you wouldn't need to if you got vaxxed! But they didn't lie -- no, apparently a bunch of people -- and not just those evil white nationalist-Christian-gun-Jesus-flag people -- are refusing to get the vaccine, and the reason is that they are moral defectives somehow in thrall to Tucker Carlson's Svengali-like powers of persuasion. You see, the people who won't get it are stupid people who hate science because they refuse to trust the people who have spent the last year-and-a-half lying to them.

I don't blame those folks a bit.

Let's try a thought experiment. Let's imagine our ruling class was not as utterly corrupt, dishonest, incompetent and downright stupid as it manifestly is. I know that's hard, but go with me.

This weird new virus appears and starts spreading. Instead of leveraging it to take down Trump, the Democrats appear with the Republican president and GOP leadership to announce they are working together to solve the problem. Imagine that instead of shaming people, first about wearing masks, then about not wearing masks, then about not wearing two masks, then no masks, then masks again, they went with transparency.

"We are not sure how much, if at all, masks work. We're running test trials to see and we'll tell you what we find as soon as we have the data. In the meantime, let's all wear them just in case." And then, when they ran the studies, they would tell us the answer.

Have you seen any studies about masks? We get a lot of that fascist gnome and others telling us to wear masks (after initially telling us they were useless -- remember that memory-holed narrative?) but where's the actual science?

See, you have to believe the science, and believe them when they tell you what it is yet won't show you. Obey!

But trust is earned, and these people act like it is their right to have our trust, that we owe them to take it on faith that whatever these people say is the Gospel. Except they are wrong all the time, and instead of owning up to it, they treat you like some sort of idiot for noticing. When you don't trust people who are perpetually wrong, that's not denying science. That is science---you are making observations, and drawing reasonable conclusions. In this case, the observation is that our establishment sucks, and that it can't be trusted.

How far would a little humility gone? Very far.

I had this thought a couple of weeks ago:

The Panic Karens are now all nattering about how they can finally instruct/bully/coerce everyone into obeying their latest "guidances."

They keep asking, "How do we convince these Stubborn Trumpkins?"

(They don't ask how they can convince the stubborn black and Hispanic vaccine-hesitant, because The Regime has determined only the white working class can be attacked.)

Here's a possible answer:

You can start to convince these stubborn people by admitting all of the errors you made -- and lies you told -- and cover-ups and gaslighting you engaged in to hide your lies -- and thereby start to re-earn public trust.

Now all of The Regime claims it cares only about helping people and keeping them well.

But notice their Noble Concern does not quite go far enough to compel them to admit error and lies.

No, no, no. They'd rather see another million or two die than admit having been wrong and having lied in the past.

So take their claims of being so very Concerned for that they are: Yet another series of Regime lies, casting their unrelenting, hateful, snarling attacks on the white working class and Trump voters generally as something benevolent and holy.

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1 Never going to happen - they won't admit the errors and lies. They'll rub our noses in it anyway!

Posted by: 496 at August 03, 2021 01:22 PM (VJsqe)

2 St

Posted by: Duke Lowell at August 03, 2021 01:22 PM (kTF2Z)

3 not first

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, hunting lycans with Kate Beckinsale at August 03, 2021 01:22 PM (LvTSG)

4 We're locked down again starting today

Posted by: It's me donna at August 03, 2021 01:22 PM (Zmnko)

5 You can start to convince these stubborn people by admitting all of the errors you made -- and lies you told -- and cover-ups and gaslighting you engaged in to hide your lies -- and thereby start to re-earn public trust.

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"I never did any of those things. I've been consistent in my messaging that Dr. Fauci is god."
-Karens

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, hunting lycans with Kate Beckinsale at August 03, 2021 01:24 PM (LvTSG)

6 Therefore,
PURPOSEFULLY hid the fact of the leak.
PURPOSEFULLY let is spread through the world, Europe in particular, through unrestricted travel out of China.
PURPOSEFULLY withheld knowledge about the characteristics of the virus.

The FACT of a lab leak necessarily, logically implies intentional crimes against humanity and biowar waged by the CCP against the rest of the world.

Posted by: Zek at August 03, 2021 01:24 PM (dEaub)

7 What is "oops" in Chinese?

Posted by: Bete at August 03, 2021 01:25 PM (Ojki1)

8 Fauci should be serving life in Florence ADX now. I'm not even kidding.

Posted by: Insomniac - Zhou Bai-Den Is Not My Chairman at August 03, 2021 01:25 PM (II3Gr)

9 And flooded the economy with cheap Chinese goods shutting down most of American companies

Posted by: Skip at August 03, 2021 01:26 PM (Cxk7w)

10 People make a big deal about vaccinated people testing positive for
covid, as if this disproves the vaccines' effectiveness, but they
shouldn't: Even when the vaccines were being tested, researchers
announced that Pfizer and Moderna were only 91% and 94% effective (if I
remember right) at fully stopping the virus.

true, but data out of Israel, the most-vaxxed population on earth, indicates an effectiveness level of 40%, months into the vaccination program

Posted by: kallisto at August 03, 2021 01:26 PM (DJFLF)

11 4 We're locked down again starting today
Posted by: It's me donna at August 03, 2021 01:22 PM (Zmnko)

Da fuq?

Posted by: Insomniac - Zhou Bai-Den Is Not My Chairman at August 03, 2021 01:26 PM (II3Gr)

12 Hey! I know him!

Posted by: Bob from the NSA at August 03, 2021 01:27 PM (z0CLa)

13 Not sticking around.. had it with screech, screech, screech.. And as a reminder, no one can lock you down if you don't allow them. That is all.

Out...

Posted by: NALNAMSAM - Not as lean, not as mean, still a Marine at August 03, 2021 01:27 PM (SPcPx)

14 Imagine. I don't believe anyone.

Posted by: leber at August 03, 2021 01:27 PM (MxeFh)

15 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at August 03, 2021 01:27 PM (Zz0t1)

16 10 Quite probably because it wears off within like 4 months

Posted by: steevy at August 03, 2021 01:27 PM (uUDKV)

17 "He also says that China should forfeit its right to host the 2022 Olympic Games"

Oh no not that!

India regarded it as a bio WMD directed at them, justifying a nuclear counter-attack.

Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at August 03, 2021 01:27 PM (49Exr)

18 Democrats cause black poverty - get put in charge of fixing it.
Barney Frank helps cause the housing bubble - gets put in charge of fixing it.
Fauchi helps cause COVID - gets put in charge of fixing it.

It is the way.

Posted by: 29Victor at August 03, 2021 01:28 PM (BJKQV)

19 11 4 We're locked down again starting today
Posted by: It's me donna at August 03, 2021 01:22 PM (Zmnko)

Da fuq?
Posted by: Insomniac - Zhou Bai-Den Is Not My Chairman at August 03, 2021 01:26 PM

NorCal.. And that's an exaggeration.. I should have said we have to wear masks again indoors even if vaccinated.. I'm just pissed

Posted by: It's me donna at August 03, 2021 01:28 PM (Zmnko)

20 There's nothing unusual about vaccinated people who would test positive. No vaccine literally keeps viruses out of your body. The vaccine just programs your body to fight off the spread once the virus is already inside. Same as any other virus, including polio. If you have the polio vaccine and someone injections the polio virus into your system, you will of course test "positive" for it. But your body will fight it off. The difference is that we've NEVER tested asymptomatic people before. Now we are -- and it's purely to jack up the bullshit numbers with the bullshit PCR test and its bullshit false positives. But trust the SCIENCE. The very scientific science-y science.

Posted by: Elric Blade at August 03, 2021 01:28 PM (iFTx/)

21
Whoa. Taking away the olympics from china?!?!

That's harsh, man.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at August 03, 2021 01:28 PM (MlLUG)

22 Fauci should be serving life in Florence ADX now. I'm not even kidding.
Posted by: Insomniac - Zhou Bai-Den Is Not My Chairman at August 03, 2021 01:25 PM (II3Gr)


Bring back public hangings.

Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at August 03, 2021 01:28 PM (y7DUB)

23 This has just been one giant exercise in control and mass compliance.

Posted by: Insomniac - Zhou Bai-Den Is Not My Chairman at August 03, 2021 01:28 PM (II3Gr)

24 Late to the party today, but the next liberal that says voter id is a bad idea ask them why NYC, liberal shithole, can ask for a vaccine check tied to a personal id to eat at a restaurant or work out. And for our residents there, how the hell did we get from Gangs of New York to Pussy Central?

Posted by: Too Bad Costa Rica Sucks at August 03, 2021 01:28 PM (oWBc3)

25 The Conservative case for the CCP and Fauci fucking up the world.

Posted by: david fwench my wife, pwease at August 03, 2021 01:28 PM (UHVv4)

26 It's a good thing we probably hit herd immunity sometime last year.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, hunting lycans with Kate Beckinsale at August 03, 2021 01:28 PM (LvTSG)

27 NorCal.. And that's an exaggeration.. I should have said we have to wear masks again indoors even if vaccinated.. I'm just pissed
Posted by: It's me donna at August 03, 2021 01:28 PM (Zmnko)

Still stupid and shitty.

Posted by: Insomniac - Zhou Bai-Den Is Not My Chairman at August 03, 2021 01:29 PM (II3Gr)

28 So the same people who told us it started in a wet market now assure us it was an accident.

As Al Pacino said in Dog Day Afternoon, "Kiss me. When I'm getting f*cked I like to kiss alot."

Occam's razor -- The CCP deliberately released it as part of their scheme for world doninance.

Posted by: Bob at August 03, 2021 01:29 PM (pft3j)

29 NorCal.. And that's an exaggeration.. I should have said we have to wear masks again indoors even if vaccinated.. I'm just pissed
Posted by: It's me donna at August 03, 2021 01:28 PM (Zmnko)

Louisiana's gov just made that "wear masks indoors, even if vaccinated" command yesterday. It's supposedly only for the rest of the month, but we'll see.

Posted by: Thrawn at August 03, 2021 01:29 PM (5aFbR)

30 The problem is that people are sold on the idea that the vaccines are totally effective and that the people getting sick and spreading it are all the unvaccinated. That way, they can work up the masses to attack anyone that isn't vaccinated.

I watched a video yesterday by a realtor in South Dakota. He said the number one reason people are giving him for moving there is getting on with their lives and not having all the mandates.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at August 03, 2021 01:29 PM (5HBd1)

31 Oh gosh, let's throw China in that briar pit of not hosting that huge money pit known as "The Olympics."

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at August 03, 2021 01:29 PM (2SdPm)

32 What is "oops" in Chinese?
Posted by: Bete at August 03, 2021 01:25 PM (Ojki1)
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Not this.

Whether intentionally released or not, China has capitalized mightily and come out on top. Her regional hegemony is fully cemented and her global power schemes are well underway. Her industries have thrived and her exports have soared to the point that global container distribution has had to be recalibrated. Her greatest adversary is well in hand with a dull dotard at the helm in front of a corrupt politburo that does her bidding when it is not pursuing its own aggrandizement, power and riches.

Not only has there been no war - which would be fully justified, including the use of atomic weapons on key cities and infrastructure in Red China - there has not even been so much as new tariffs let alone something more severe like a blockade or a debt repudiation.

Whether it was a deliberate plan or extremely skillful exploitation of unexpected events is immaterial. Red China has won this affair handily.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 03, 2021 01:29 PM (3p5uk)

33 En fuego!

Posted by: That Guy who shouts "En fuego!" at August 03, 2021 01:30 PM (a3Q+t)

34 Just curious: If I had Covid and get the jab.
And natural Covid immunity likely lasts years (documented, robust memory cell immunity residing in bone marrow in 95% of cases) and could last a lifetime, yet vaccine immunity destroys your natural immunity, and only lasts months: what do I win?

Posted by: Zek at August 03, 2021 01:30 PM (dEaub)

35 Just went to a local welding supply to get a CO2 bottle for my kegerator. The counter guy pissed at me about not having a mask on and how there were signs on the door.

Then asked me if I was looking for a 5 of 10 pound bottle.......I said "small" to which he replied "we only have the 50 pounders......"

You couldn't have LED with that AND MAYBE put a more USEFUL sign on your door that told me you were OUT of shit instead of pissing about useless MASKS?!?!?!

This world fucking SUCKS. China is ASSHOE and the fact that the WORLD isn't punishing it for what it's done is appalling.

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at August 03, 2021 01:30 PM (Zz0t1)

36 Thanks to the vax, Guy's symptoms are mild. He joins the approximately 99% of all people who contracted COVID since it first began being tracked in this.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 03, 2021 01:30 PM (KbCG3)

37 It's all bull.

Posted by: Bosk who also misses the heck out of Jackstraw at August 03, 2021 01:30 PM (FgPjD)

38 John Ratcliffe still comes off as milquetoasty and utterly worthless.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 03, 2021 01:30 PM (BFigT)

39 But now the facts are too hard for even the WHO -- and hopefully the IOC -- to ignore.
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Mustang Ranch > IOC ~ WHO, as whores go.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 03, 2021 01:30 PM (JGgz0)

40 Cloth masks do not stop the virus from coming in, nor do they stop the virus from going out.

You don't say.

Posted by: Half the AoS comment section circa May 2020 at August 03, 2021 01:30 PM (kOpft)

41
I can't say I didn't get it last week, despite getting both Moderna doses. I rested, took medicine, stayed home and felt better after a couple of days. I feel fine now.

Would I have gotten tested? Hell, no.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 03, 2021 01:31 PM (/U27+)

42 Whether it was a deliberate plan or extremely skillful exploitation of unexpected events is immaterial. Red China has won this affair handily.
Posted by: J


what is no?

the game is not over

Posted by: confederatefifth at August 03, 2021 01:31 PM (8tNUK)

43 The vast majority of ALL cases are mild

Posted by: steevy at August 03, 2021 01:31 PM (uUDKV)

44 38 John Ratcliffe still comes off as milquetoasty and utterly worthless.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 03, 2021 01:30 PM (BFigT)

Agreed.. Trump should have kept Grenell

Posted by: It's me donna at August 03, 2021 01:31 PM (Zmnko)

45
Cocksucker Benson: "My symptoms are very mild, thanks to the vax."

What a fucking cuck. This piece of shit suffers from Stockholm Syndrome and he's Democrat-Nazi collaborator.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at August 03, 2021 01:31 PM (MlLUG)

46 The upside to Graham catching it is that he will mainly expose Democrats to it.

Posted by: Thatch at August 03, 2021 01:32 PM (qWceQ)

47 "researchers announced that Pfizer and Moderna were only 91% and 94% effective"

CDC is spooked by recent incident where 75% of approx 840 vaccinated people caught Teh Covid.

Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at August 03, 2021 01:32 PM (49Exr)

48 People make a big deal about vaccinated people testing positive for
covid, as if this disproves the vaccines' effectiveness, but they
shouldn't: Even when the vaccines were being tested, researchers
announced that Pfizer and Moderna were only 91% and 94% effective (if I
remember right) at fully stopping the virus.
true, but data out of Israel, the most-vaxxed population on earth, indicates an effectiveness level of 40%, months into the vaccination program
Posted by: kallisto


And I am supposed to take an experimental therapeutic with a 94% effective rate vs a virus with a 99.7% survival rate? Nah. Not today.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 03, 2021 01:32 PM (TUUTu)

49 Guy P. Benson is married to a dude.

Posted by: A. Cuomo at August 03, 2021 01:32 PM (UuD2k)

50 We're locked down again starting today
Posted by: It's me donna at August 03, 2021 01:22 PM (Zmnko)
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Our vet is demanding all who enter wear masks. Today was allergy shot day for our pooches, and, well, one of our elderly pooches seems to have a slight intestinal problem, and managed to gas the entire waiting room. The employee Karen's got to find out first hand just how effective masks are.

I know I laughed.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at August 03, 2021 01:32 PM (2SdPm)

51 The vast majority of ALL cases are mild
Posted by: steevy at August 03, 2021 01:31 PM (uUDKV)


99% of those infected with Covid DON'T KNOW THEY HAVE IT.

That tells me that we've been fucked beyond belief and the goddamn human sheep are FALLING IN LINE.

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at August 03, 2021 01:32 PM (Zz0t1)

52 I've worn a mask twice, during peak lock down, just to get into the liquor store. It seems to me that the exhaled air jets through the small gaps, which would only spread the virus farther away than just normal breathing would.

Posted by: Jimco Industries at August 03, 2021 01:32 PM (buTO7)

53 Millions dead, people banned for telling the truth, the House, the Senate and the Presidency stolen-- there is no possibility they will ever quit lying.

Posted by: Mrm88 at August 03, 2021 01:32 PM (jIL4c)

54 And that Dr. Fauci created a conspiracy to bypass US Law, so that research could be funded.

Now, Conspiracy of this type will do two things... one, make you legally culpable for any DEATHS that resulted... AND can strip you of Sovereign Immunity protections, as its a Felony.

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 03, 2021 01:32 PM (oHd/0)

55 But the "he's vaccinated, and he got 'rona" game relies on either an
unwitting or willful ignorance of the high-but-imperfect level of
protection of the vaccines as was always promised.

Actually, this is a VERY effective argument, because Joe Biden and his Junta have been saying that the covid jabs WILL protect you from getting COVID, mild or not.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 03, 2021 01:32 PM (DpkTQ)

56
Guy Benson has a very punchy punchable face. Just saying.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 03, 2021 01:32 PM (/U27+)

57 43 The vast majority of ALL cases are mild
Posted by: steevy at August 03, 2021 01:31 PM (uUDKV)

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Still, you should be terrified. You might sneeze intermittently for a few days.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, hunting lycans with Kate Beckinsale at August 03, 2021 01:33 PM (LvTSG)

58 Well, only 18 months after pretty much everyone with two brain cells to rub together figured out, at least they seem to be getting their collective heads out of their asses.

I guess it's something.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 03, 2021 01:33 PM (WEWH4)

59 Now, we can either question who released which engineered virus and whether which PPE are effective or we can shut up and do what we're told.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at August 03, 2021 01:33 PM (d9FiS)

60 49 Guy P. Benson is married to a dude.
Posted by: A. Cuomo at August 03, 2021 01:32 PM (UuD2k)

He's a peter puffing pickle packer?

Posted by: Insomniac - Zhou Bai-Den Is Not My Chairman at August 03, 2021 01:33 PM (II3Gr)

61 And I am supposed to take an experimental therapeutic with a 94% effective rate vs a virus with a 99.7% survival rate? Nah. Not today.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 03, 2021 01:32 PM (TUUTu)
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Couple that with the very real potential for long term side effects, and, well, the vaccine is a hard pass for me.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at August 03, 2021 01:33 PM (2SdPm)

62 Meh, delete 47, I am a dumbass who should have read the post first. Sorry.

Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at August 03, 2021 01:33 PM (49Exr)

63 6 Therefore,
PURPOSEFULLY hid the fact of the leak.
PURPOSEFULLY let is spread through the world, Europe in particular, through unrestricted travel out of China.
PURPOSEFULLY withheld knowledge about the characteristics of the virus.

The FACT of a lab leak necessarily, logically implies intentional crimes against humanity and biowar waged by the CCP against the rest of the world.
Posted by: Zek at August 03, 2021 01:24 PM (dEaub)

Didn't the House dems just recently kill a bill on investigating the origins of COVID? Seems like something we'd want to get to the bottom of, no? Ah well, mask up!

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 03, 2021 01:33 PM (KbCG3)

64 I don't take health advice from fussy little homos.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 03, 2021 01:34 PM (UuD2k)

65 I just except that all figures on Covid and Covid infections are lies.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 03, 2021 01:34 PM (yQpMk)

66 Millions are dead, just not from corona.

Posted by: Too Bad Costa Rica Sucks at August 03, 2021 01:34 PM (oWBc3)

67 Kurt Schlichter makes the same point in a recent column: Imagine If They Hadn't Lied to Us for 18 Months
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That's short-sighted. They could have lied for the past 18 months and still have things well in hand. The problem is that they've been lying for closer to 18 *years* and can't buy credibility now at any price. If you chart the volume and provability of the lies spewed out by our ruling class, we probably hit the knee of the curve back during the second JEF administration, and it went parabolic during the run-up to the Trump administration.

The last 18 months are just the icing on a much larger cake that's been baking for a generation.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 03, 2021 01:34 PM (3p5uk)

68
Conspiracy Theorists - 95

Smart People - 0

Posted by: Moron Robbie - If you get vaccinated my vaccination will work gooder at August 03, 2021 01:34 PM (dGQu9)

69 Lose the Olympics? That's all? Wooooooo! If they created it and, importantly, intentionally spread it across the planet, then its an act of war, and then the affected nations need to gather as a "coalition of the willing" and void out their debt to CHY-na. If they grumble, tell them its preferable to being nuked.

Posted by: Dr. Titanium Whitey, J.D. at August 03, 2021 01:34 PM (i6shs)

70 Just went to a local welding supply to get a CO2 bottle for my kegerator. The counter guy pissed at me about not having a mask on and how there were signs on the door.

Then asked me if I was looking for a 5 of 10 pound bottle.......I said "small" to which he replied "we only have the 50 pounders......"


Buy your own bottle and go to AirGas for refills.
Did that with a 20 pounder for paintball before High Pressure Air became the norm.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 03, 2021 01:35 PM (TUUTu)

71 How about start with the fact the vaccine is not for "everyone". Instead of pushing to vaccinate "everyone" and punishing the unvaccinated like they're lepers, at least make that distinction. They still don't even know the effect on pregnant women. Not do they know the future effect on women who may have children. Unusual coagulation is a problem for people with heart disease or stroke issues. People who had COVID don't need the vaccine. People in extraordinarily good shape without co morbidities won't get a serious infection. How about this one, ultimately it's your choice to get it or not. Nope. Now Democrats have enlisted their corporate Vichy's to force your behavior. No reasoning, just a pure exercise of power.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 03, 2021 01:35 PM (sOXXq)

72 So it's not any kind of huge point to make that vaccines which were sold as stopping most, but not all, covid infections turn out to stop most, but not all, covid infections.

Maybe not huge, but the whole point of a risk-benefit assessment is to weigh the pros and cons. If there's a diminished benefit, that's something to consider when deciding whether the risks are outweighed (particularly when there's a fair likelihood that you've already been exposed to Covid and have some naturally derived defense).

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at August 03, 2021 01:35 PM (QU5/8)

73 18 Democrats cause black poverty - get put in charge of fixing it.
Barney Frank helps cause the housing bubble - gets put in charge of fixing it.
Fauchi helps cause COVID - gets put in charge of fixing it.

It is the way.
Posted by: 29Victor at August 03, 2021 01:28 PM (BJKQV)
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Joseph P. Kennedy notorious for manipulating stock prices --> put in charge of the newly formed SEC.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 03, 2021 01:35 PM (N5Zrw)

74 And I am supposed to take an experimental therapeutic with a 94%
effective rate vs a virus with a 99.7% survival rate? Nah. Not today.

The Israeli data says that 94% fails to about 30% after 6 months.
Note: Israel has the booster and is requesting an *additional* booster.
So...compare the risk of an experimental jab every 3 months versus the risk of Wu Flu

Posted by: 18-1 at August 03, 2021 01:35 PM (DpkTQ)

75 Did Guy Benson attend Bear Week in Providence?

Posted by: Olddog in mo at August 03, 2021 01:35 PM (9BikW)

76
I remind you of a story that came out a while back when the damn broke on the lab-leak thing. Some Chicom honcho fucked up and let some data out he didn't mean to that showed the first "civillian" (we'll call it) Covid case, occurred in Sept 29, 2019.

The virus was out and circulating, world wide by Oct of 2019.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at August 03, 2021 01:35 PM (Mzdiz)

77 I mention earlier that I got an email from my former employer that all vaccinated employees would be rewarded with the princely sum of one hundred US dollars.

Winning!

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 03, 2021 01:35 PM (yQpMk)

78 china is going to fake plead guilty on the world stage to a lesser charge of accidently leaking covid 19 on the world and will pony up a paltry 1 trillion dollars as restitution to the world (over 10 years) (which will be in the form of debt forgiveness) and the democrats and the media will fall for it even though we all know what was: a bioweapon attack on the united states disguised as a leak with the primary goal of getting trump out of office...the tactic is straight out of jack reacher: "we make things messy now - so they wont get messy later"

Posted by: sound awake at August 03, 2021 01:35 PM (5RLXo)

79 Was it Trump who said?
"Q: What's the difference between a conspiracy theory and the truth?
A: About 6 months."

Posted by: Zek at August 03, 2021 01:35 PM (dEaub)

80 Just came from several large chain stores featuring home improvement stuff...both are restocking heavily (as in the aisles are packed) with cleaner, TP, wipes and disinfectant.
I wonder what they know.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 03, 2021 01:36 PM (axyOa)

81 I keep wondering where Ace is getting his information that "millions" of people have died from the Chicom flu.

CDC? WHO? The MFM?

Posted by: Justsayin' at August 03, 2021 01:36 PM (Fs5vw)

82 The thing is is, regarding this thread, who is giving you information that you trust?

Where did you get your stats?

Posted by: confederatefifth at August 03, 2021 01:36 PM (8tNUK)

83 Sponge.
I've noticed what seems like a complete breakdown in any services.
Lines, no stock, poor service. What you would not expect in this country.
It's just nuts how this really destroyed America.
And I don't think I'm being overly dramatic about this.
If we come back it will be a long time from now.

Posted by: Bosk who also misses the heck out of Jackstraw at August 03, 2021 01:36 PM (FgPjD)

84 they can't admit they lied, or they messed up, or even that they just got it wrong. it's simple, because once they admit they got THIS wrong, go with me here, then it opens them up to what ELSE have they been wrong about?

they are as certain about nothing as much as their own infallibility

Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at August 03, 2021 01:36 PM (8D42x)

85 76
I remind you of a story that came out a while back when the damn broke on the lab-leak thing. Some Chicom honcho fucked up and let some data out he didn't mean to that showed the first "civillian" (we'll call it) Covid case, occurred in Sept 29, 2019.

The virus was out and circulating, world wide by Oct of 2019.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at August 03, 2021 01:35 PM (Mzdiz)

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So, shutting things down in March (right after the end of the impeachment trial, a fact I bring up for no reason whatsoever) probably didn't do much?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, hunting lycans with Kate Beckinsale at August 03, 2021 01:36 PM (LvTSG)

86 80 That people are fucking idiots...

Posted by: steevy at August 03, 2021 01:37 PM (uUDKV)

87 Who is Benjamin Wittee?

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at August 03, 2021 01:37 PM (cSyAR)

88
Guy P. Benson is married to a dude.
Posted by: A. Cuomo


Did they attend the teddy bears picnic?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 03, 2021 01:37 PM (63Dwl)

89 So its begun within my family.

I am not vaccinated (already had it) and none of my kids are either (one thing my ex and I can find common ground on).

Inquired on a visit to see my sister and her family in Colorado and was told I/we cannot stay with them unless myself and my kids are vaccinated.

Guess I'm going to have to get used to paying for lodging now if I want to hike in the mountains.

Posted by: H Badger at August 03, 2021 01:37 PM (n/0Nw)

90 Actually, this is a VERY effective argument, because Joe Biden and his Junta have been saying that the covid jabs WILL protect you from getting COVID, mild or not.
Posted by: 18-1 at August 03, 2021 01:32 PM (DpkTQ)

**

It's still up on the CDC's page.

"The vaccine will keep you from getting COVID19"

Posted by: Moron Robbie - If you get vaccinated my vaccination will work gooder at August 03, 2021 01:37 PM (yK9py)

91 99% of those infected with Covid DON'T KNOW THEY HAVE IT.

And then when some of those people get a vaccine, there is viral overload

Posted by: JoeF. at August 03, 2021 01:37 PM (mR6Gs)

92 So 'Guy' Benson and Lindsey Graham both are positive for Covid Wuhan Virus. Were they on a date together?

Posted by: Ghey & Gheyer at August 03, 2021 01:37 PM (+nWCH)

93
I just except that all figures on Covid and Covid infections are lies.

I ran the Scottish numbers. They claimed to have 10K wu flu deaths and no jab deaths.

When looking at excess deaths the numbers were 6K for wu flu and 1300 for jabbing half the population.
So...6K covid deaths vs 2600 jab deaths (if they jabbed everyone)

Posted by: 18-1 at August 03, 2021 01:37 PM (DpkTQ)

94 8 Fauci should be serving life in Florence ADX now. I'm not even kidding.
Posted by: Insomniac - Zhou Bai-Den Is Not My Chairman

at a minimum. if he had any remorse he'd Floyd himself.

Posted by: x at August 03, 2021 01:38 PM (oA+QO)

95 Wittes not Wittee.

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at August 03, 2021 01:38 PM (cSyAR)

96
Can one of you nice people please explain to me what this "breakthrough cases" bullshit is all about?

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at August 03, 2021 01:38 PM (MlLUG)

97 Said from reading a article this morning Jim Crow Laws are coming only it's vaccine denied who are going to be discriminated

Posted by: Skip at August 03, 2021 01:38 PM (Cxk7w)

98 And the Democrats with their Big Tech allies are almost certainly accessories after the fact: squashing all discussion of the origins of Wu Flu in order to Get Trump.

I have gone past "losing faith" in our institutions. My current view is that almost every institution of government, academia, media and the culture is actively working to our destruction.

Posted by: Zek at August 03, 2021 01:38 PM (dEaub)

99
†I mention earlier that I got an email from my former employer that all vaccinated employees would be rewarded with the princely sum of one hundred US dollars.

Winning!

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 03, 2021 01:35 PM (yQpMk)

__________

You should demand $10000 for not being there and saving countless lives of your former fellow employees.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 03, 2021 01:38 PM (/U27+)

100 Maybe Guy Benson should stop practicing squeak hole doinking, which puts him at a higher risk for all types of things, COVID being among the least of them.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 03, 2021 01:38 PM (sOXXq)

101 Nothing to see, move along folks.

Posted by: Officer Barbrady at August 03, 2021 01:38 PM (I8FKK)

102 Elise Stefanik is calling for Nip Clips' immediate arrest.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at August 03, 2021 01:38 PM (sWM8x)

103 Just came from several large chain stores featuring home improvement stuff...both are restocking heavily (as in the aisles are packed) with cleaner, TP, wipes and disinfectant.
I wonder what they know.
Posted by: Diogenes at August 03, 2021 01:36 PM (axyOa)

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During the height of the scamdemic, I remember pallets of product being dumped in a store aisle, because the store knew it wasn't necessary to put the product on the shelf.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at August 03, 2021 01:38 PM (2SdPm)

104 A police officer was killed in the Metro area by th Pentagon. The suspect is on the run.

Posted by: redridinghood at August 03, 2021 01:38 PM (NpAcC)

105 "breakthrough cases" bullshit is all about?
The virus "broke" through the vaccine..

Posted by: It's me donna at August 03, 2021 01:39 PM (Zmnko)

106 I'm sorry I still don't buy the HVAC story. Maybe I should. Maybe the "uncovered paper trail" proves it. But I don't think so.

Posted by: ... at August 03, 2021 01:39 PM (T+lAA)

107 they can't admit they lied, or they messed up, or even that they just got it wrong. it's simple, because once they admit they got THIS wrong, go with me here, then it opens them up to what ELSE have they been wrong about

The "election?"
The "insurrection?"

Posted by: JoeF. at August 03, 2021 01:39 PM (mR6Gs)

108 If you tell people that viruses mutate and they become more infectious/less deadly, people tell you that you don't understand medicine. If you read the actual medical studies, they say the same. I think the only people they consider versed in medicine are those bots talking about death bed confessions.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at August 03, 2021 01:39 PM (5HBd1)

109 >> So, shutting things down in March (right after the end of the impeachment trial, a fact I bring up for no reason whatsoever) probably didn't do much?

Yep. It also greatly skewed their transmission rate calculations. If you believed the Chicom lies, you would come up with a crazy high R0/transmission rate. And you'd go OMG!! Asymptomatic spread!!11!.

Which they did. When you realize it had "gone viral" in Oct, well, it ain't that bad.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at August 03, 2021 01:39 PM (Mzdiz)

110 The big selling point was always that they all reduced serious cases to a very small number, less than 1%.

This is also the case if you do absolutely nothing to avoid catching covid or mitigate it. That's what a 99.7% survival rate means.

Posted by: Methos at August 03, 2021 01:39 PM (kOpft)

111 Actually, this is a VERY effective argument, because Joe Biden and his Junta have been saying that the covid jabs WILL protect you from getting COVID, mild or not.

yep. And the unvaxxed are killers. And this is now a pandemic of the unvaccinated...when 15% of CVID 19 deaths are in vaccinated pyrsyns

Posted by: kallisto at August 03, 2021 01:39 PM (DJFLF)

112 How racist!!!!!

Posted by: Joe XiDen at August 03, 2021 01:39 PM (RCDSE)

113 You should demand $10000 for not being there and saving countless lives of your former fellow employees.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 03, 2021 01:38 PM (/U27+)



*looks at contract rate*

Already done.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 03, 2021 01:39 PM (yQpMk)

114 It's getting cheaper for China to kill more folks:
https://twitter.com/balajis/status/1422279826405158913

Posted by: Biden's Dog at August 03, 2021 01:39 PM (gfB3g)

115 That people are fucking idiots...
Posted by: steevy at August 03, 2021 01:37 PM (uUDKV)

Yup!
And they are going to make a nice profit from it.
Good for them, says I!

Posted by: Diogenes at August 03, 2021 01:39 PM (axyOa)

116 breakthrough cases" bullshit is all about?
The virus "broke" through the vaccine..
Posted by: It's me donna at August 03, 2021 01:39 PM (Zmnko)

The vaccine IS the virus

Posted by: JoeF. at August 03, 2021 01:39 PM (mR6Gs)

117 Can one of you nice people please explain to me what this "breakthrough cases" bullshit is all about?
Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at August 03, 2021 01:38 PM (MlLUG)
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A "Breakthrough Case" is a case of the 'Vid that occurs in a fully vaccinated person. They've had the full vaccine course and still contract the disease. This implies any number of things. It could be that the vaccine didn't work (unlikely), that the vaccine wore off (likely, based on UK and Israeli data) or that there is a new variant against which the vaccine is ineffective.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 03, 2021 01:39 PM (3p5uk)

118 102 Elise Stefanik is calling for Nip Clips' immediate arrest.
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at August 03, 2021 01:38 PM (sWM8x)

========

I like her. She's better than Cheney.

"If he's so bad, then fucking put him in cuffs."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, hunting lycans with Kate Beckinsale at August 03, 2021 01:40 PM (LvTSG)

119 Either I'm the luckiest fuck on the planet or this whole thing is bullshit. All last year, my wife worked in a grocery store. I would go after work to a grocery store or Wal Mart or Hone Depot almost every day just to get out of the house.

We stopped wearing a mask as soon as the state dropped the mandate. We have been to the casino four times since.

I'm actually developing a complex. I can't catch shit to save my life.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 03, 2021 01:40 PM (TUUTu)

120 Wait... does this mean the Racist China Flu came from China?

Posted by: ... at August 03, 2021 01:40 PM (T+lAA)

121 You know if they hadn't banned Trump from twitter he would probably have been out there everyday with tweets urging people to get vaccinated

Posted by: Buzzion at August 03, 2021 01:40 PM (G2zl5)

122 I was on a company call where they were discussing the vaccine as a return to work option. Someone forgot to mute their phone and said "first you will blow me". I'm still laughing. Good thing there were about 60 people on the call.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 03, 2021 01:40 PM (sOXXq)

123 A police officer was killed in the Metro area by th Pentagon. The suspect is on the run.
Posted by: redridinghood at August 03, 2021 01:38 PM (NpAcC)

The Pentagon killed a police officer and is on the run? - color me unsurprised - huumph!

Posted by: Boswell at August 03, 2021 01:40 PM (5iUNf)

124 Here's the NorCal counties that have reestablished indoor mask mandates starting today. Hint: All but 2.

https://tinyurl.com/3abv3ts5

Fuck them all. Meanwhile, Newsom's numbers plummet, they're looking at Larry Elder in the lead to replace right now.
Funny as in BWAHAHAHAHA it's the Hispanic population that hates Newsom the most.

https://tinyurl.com/2uxwhc48

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at August 03, 2021 01:41 PM (wAnMi)

125 Biden's advisor did not say what Clay Travis claimed. Listen carefully.

Posted by: Biden's Dog at August 03, 2021 01:41 PM (gfB3g)

126 yep. And the unvaxxed are killers. And this is now a pandemic of the unvaccinated...when 15% of CVID 19 deaths are in vaccinated pyrsyns
Posted by: kallisto at August 03, 2021 01:39 PM (DJFLF)

It always pissed me off that the unvaccinated are immediately assumed to ALL be carrying it--and super spreading it.

Posted by: JoeF. at August 03, 2021 01:41 PM (mR6Gs)

127 I'm actually developing a complex. I can't catch shit to save my life.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 03, 2021 01:40 PM (TUUTu)

Might I suggest you visit a bathhouse?

Posted by: Dr. Fauci at August 03, 2021 01:41 PM (UuD2k)

128 Quick update on the Israeli vaccine data
It is bad and getting worse.

A reminder - Israel and the United Kingdom were the two major countries that vaccinated earliest and most aggressively. And they are much better at providing data than the United States - they provide updates every day, which limits their opportunities to manipulate it.

What is useful is examining the trend among serious illness in older vaccinated people.And it is terrible. The rate of cases has risen 12-fold IN A MONTH. On July 4th, fewer than 1 older vaccinated person in 100,000 became seriously ill. Today the rate is 10 in 100,000.
Remember - comparing unvaccinated and vaccinated at this point hardly matters. THE DARK GREEN LINE IS THE ONE THAT COUNTS: (graph) And though we cannot be sure what will happen next, it is worth noting that rates of serious illness among the vaccinated are now as high as they were among the unvaccinated only TWO WEEKS AGO. Perhaps that's why the Israeli government is now predicting a further quadrupling of new serious cases by the end of August:


Posted by: artisanal ette at August 03, 2021 01:41 PM (2o90I)

129 Neither the masks nor social distancing was ever supposed to be 100% effective
A virus can easily pass through but it usually takes thousands to overwhelm the immune system
If Ace was told masks and social distancing was 100% effective he was misinformed
The vast .ajority if the 600000+ that died had some symptoms worse than sneezing
I live in NYC
When it was at its worst we had 3000 people per day
Funeral homes do over wheeled they had ducks of bodies in uhauls with ice

Posted by: Kurt at August 03, 2021 01:41 PM (GuriP)

130
Anyone notice that, along with the regular, all the rotten Mosquito Diseases are gone, too?

West Nile? No more.
Eastern Equine...whatever EEE? Gone.
Zika! Zika? Gone, too.

The USA now has only Disease -- the china virus.
Science!

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at August 03, 2021 01:42 PM (MlLUG)

131 crazy conspiracy theory of the year prediction: if youre the democrats...and you had the balls to team up with china to launch a bioweapon on the united states disguised as a lab leak on the world to get trump out of office...and it worked...and you got away with it...ARE YOU REALLY GOING TO LET YOURSELF GET YOUR ASSES HANDED TO YOU IN THE MIDTERMS...no youll cook up some kind of big unprecedented national emergency late next summer/early fall to preclude them from happening...i hope im wrong...just like i hoped i was wrong about coronavirus in november 2019...

Posted by: sound awake at August 03, 2021 01:42 PM (5RLXo)

132 The thing is is, the thought that they are lying about the vaxx is crazy because you would have to have so many companies and individuals involved that there is no way.

Then you think how the 2020 votes, russiagate, the jan 6 thing.

then you have to think again.

Posted by: confederatefifth at August 03, 2021 01:42 PM (8tNUK)

133 A quadrupling would represent 800 serious cases, approaching the peak of the winter surge (which was itself probably FUELED by a spike in cases following the first vaccine dose) - and far more than at this time last year.

And remember, Israel CANNOT BLAME THE UNVACCINATED FOR THIS SPIKE - around 85 percent of adults over 30 are fully vaccinated. That's well above the range experts said would provide herd immunity.

And yet instead of pulling back and at least considering a pause on vaccinations as it digests the disaster of the last month, Israel is going the other way - pushing a third dose on the elderly. Meanwhile the cry to mandate or quasi-mandate vaccinations in the United States is only getting louder.
--
What on earth is going on?

Posted by: artisanal ette at August 03, 2021 01:42 PM (2o90I)

134 they can't admit they lied, or they messed up, or even that they just got it wrong. it's simple, because once they admit they got THIS wrong, go with me here, then it opens them up to what ELSE have they been wrong about

The "election?"
The "insurrection?"
Posted by: JoeF.


Now do stuff we don't know about.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 03, 2021 01:42 PM (TUUTu)

135 If you tell people that viruses mutate and they become more infectious/less deadly, people tell you that you don't understand medicine. If you read the actual medical studies, they say the same. I think the only people they consider versed in medicine are those bots talking about death bed confessions.
Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at August 03, 2021 01:39 PM (5HBd1)
++++
More virulent/less severe is a sound evolutionary strategy, and it shows up time and again.

This is why I worry about the vaccines being non-sterilizing. If the person doesn't get severely sick, it opens the door for variants of greater severity because there is less evolutionary benefit to being less severe.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 03, 2021 01:42 PM (3p5uk)

136 If you tell people that viruses mutate and they become more infectious/less deadly, people tell you that you don't understand medicine

**

The virus is mutating in order to be able to continue to infect all of the unvaccinated people who are physiologically pretty much 100% exactly like they were two years ago.

It's Scinx.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - If you get vaccinated my vaccination will work gooder at August 03, 2021 01:42 PM (yK9py)

137 OT, and presented without comment: Stamford CT woman now holds Guinness world record for largest mouth gape (if I read it correctly)

https://tinyurl.com/vxeur2wb

Posted by: 496 at August 03, 2021 01:42 PM (VJsqe)

138 124 Here's the NorCal counties that have reestablished indoor mask mandates starting today. Hint: All but 2.


Yup.. And I'm in one of them.. The local rag was gleeful.. Comments to the editor are all karen types pleading with people to get vaccinated and wear those masks!!!!

Posted by: It's me donna at August 03, 2021 01:42 PM (Zmnko)

139 Retard saw the bodies man. He SAW them.

Posted by: steevy at August 03, 2021 01:42 PM (uUDKV)

140
Oh, BTW, Alex Berenson is still on his one-week "misinformation" suspension from Twitter (which will become permanent in about an hour after they let him back on), so he can't post.

But check out his substack -- bingle "Alex Berenson substack" and that'll get you there.

The latest Israeli data doesn't look too good.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at August 03, 2021 01:42 PM (Mzdiz)

141 I didn't listen to President Biden and the CDC about the vax and masks and now I've got the 'Rona and am begging for the vax! I was reduced to blowing ER docs for a promise of the vax. But then I died and now Charon won't row me across the Styx nor will allow me into Dys because I'm not vaccinated. I just have loiter on the banks of Styx blowing the condemned hoping they will smuggle me across. Don't let this happen to you! Vax up and mask up like John Legend says!

Posted by: Joe Sixpack at August 03, 2021 01:42 PM (d9FiS)

142 Oh and the reason we didn't already have an actual corona virus vax, or a corona virus gene therapy a la the jabs is because corona viruses mutate making any vax/jab only effective for a short period of time.
This is similiar to the flu vaccine, but the flu vaccine is 100 year old tech with well understood side effects and long term impacts.

Getting a yearly flu shot is a hell of a lot safer then a quarterly covid booster.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 03, 2021 01:43 PM (DpkTQ)

143 Oh, so close Kurt!

You didn't sound retarded until the last line.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 03, 2021 01:43 PM (UuD2k)

144 In Big Pharma's Defense, they lied.
They do that a lot.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at August 03, 2021 01:43 PM (5CY9V)

145 my guess would be the risks of the vaccine itself are much lower than the risks of being unvaccinated against covid-19.

And
The risks and severity of side affects of the vaccine are less than those of Covid.
Were two main factors in my decision to take the shots.

Another factor was Israel. They're really picky.

Posted by: Braenyard at August 03, 2021 01:43 PM (Jd8Rz)

146 I was on a company call where they were discussing the vaccine as a return to work option. Someone forgot to mute their phone and said "first you will blow me". I'm still laughing. Good thing there were about 60 people on the call.
Posted by: Marcus T


Which one of you Morons was this????

Posted by: rickb223 at August 03, 2021 01:43 PM (TUUTu)

147 Either I'm the luckiest fuck on the planet or this whole thing is bullshit. All last year, my wife worked in a grocery store. I would go after work to a grocery store or Wal Mart or Hone Depot almost every day just to get out of the house.

We stopped wearing a mask as soon as the state dropped the mandate. We have been to the casino four times since.

I'm actually developing a complex. I can't catch shit to save my life.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 03, 2021 01:40 PM (TUUTu)

I worked virtually every single day for a large company with hundreds of employees and I never got it.
That I know of.

Posted by: JoeF. at August 03, 2021 01:43 PM (mR6Gs)

148 name field test

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Funeral homes do over wheeled they had ducks of bodies in uhauls with ice [ at August 03, 2021 01:43 PM (yK9py)

149 Read the content.

First?

Posted by: reason at August 03, 2021 01:43 PM (ePZfA)

150
I see someone above is posting Berenson's latest on the Israeli data.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at August 03, 2021 01:43 PM (Mzdiz)

151 Covid is still a thing? Huh.

Posted by: wth at August 03, 2021 01:44 PM (v0R5T)

152 149 Read the content.

First?
Posted by: reason at August 03, 2021 01:43 PM (ePZfA)

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Content?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, hunting lycans with Kate Beckinsale at August 03, 2021 01:44 PM (LvTSG)

153 496 - That's mighty racist of her to break Kamala's record.

Posted by: Broseidon at August 03, 2021 01:44 PM (IroCj)

154 You didn't sound retarded until the last line.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 03, 2021 01:43 PM (UuD2k)
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That was where had to add his own piece to make it fit the venue. The first part that he could copy-and-paste was written by someone literate, but then he had to improvise and it all fell apart.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 03, 2021 01:44 PM (3p5uk)

155 Punchy called - wants to know who Kurt his pants!

Posted by: Boswell at August 03, 2021 01:44 PM (5iUNf)

156 Thank heavens Kurt is here to set us all straight.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at August 03, 2021 01:45 PM (sWM8x)

157 OT, and presented without comment: Stamford CT woman now holds Guinness world record for largest mouth gape (if I read it correctly)

https://tinyurl.com/vxeur2wb
Posted by: 496

Goatse mouth!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at August 03, 2021 01:45 PM (d9FiS)

158 The person who stabbed and killed an Police person at the Pentagon Metro Station is on the loose?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 03, 2021 01:45 PM (GPwVZ)

159 How do they know that the vaccine made their symptoms less? They're being told that of course but where's the proof?

How about it didn't make your symptoms less it just gave you a less dangerous form of the covid that you wouldn't have gotten otherwise.

Now this is how the "old' vaccinations worked. They gave you a weak form of the disease that wouldn't kill you or give you the bad symptoms like the full fledged disease would and then you gained immunity from it.

I've never been doubtful that this form of "vaccination" could work. but I have been concerned about the side effects that were showing up and what the real numbers of those were in relation to how many got the shot. But they lied from the beginning so I can't trust anything they have to say that's positive. And partly cause they're still lying.

Posted by: jakee308 at August 03, 2021 01:45 PM (wb4G5)

160 A police officer was killed in the Metro area by th Pentagon. The suspect is on the run.
Quick before we find out the shooter is a lost gang banger let's ask the FNM if ACAB?

Posted by: 18-1 at August 03, 2021 01:45 PM (DpkTQ)

161
Okay, thank you for the "breakthrough" bullshit explanation.

But is the term "breakthrough" novel and internet-created or is it an actual, real term in epidemiology?

I'm asking because it sounds like #breakthroughcases is political bullshit created to make it seem like it's Extremely Rare for vaccinated people to get the disease.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at August 03, 2021 01:45 PM (MlLUG)

162
Something that was known in the Before Time before the public health experts LOST THEIR FUCKING MINDS, was that lockdowns only have a chance of working before community spread kicks in.

Once the pathogen is seeded in a community, the horse is out of the barn, and lockdowns aren't going to do a damn thing.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at August 03, 2021 01:45 PM (Mzdiz)

163 "This is why I worry about the vaccines being non-sterilizing. If the person doesn't get severely sick, it opens the door for variants of greater severity because there is less evolutionary benefit to being less severe.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 03, 2021 01:42 PM (3p5uk)"

Please stop being argumentatively sound and logical. It's scaring the Karen's.

By the way, imagine vaccinating legions of children who are at almost zero risk of serious complications unless they have a significant co morbidity like leukemia.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 03, 2021 01:45 PM (sOXXq)

164 The latest Israeli data doesn't look too good.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at August 03, 2021 01:42 PM (Mzdiz)

"Doesn't look to good" for whom?

The vaxxed? The unvaxxed?
The sick?

Posted by: JoeF. at August 03, 2021 01:45 PM (mR6Gs)

165 particularly when there's a fair likelihood that you've already been exposed to Covid and have some naturally derived defense

And the studies are showingA) Natural immunity is lasting at least 8 months (and counting)B) Fake immunity is clearly temporary if it occurs at all (which is why they're pushing boosters)C) Fake immunity appears to replace real immunity if you take a "vaccine" and have already had covid.
Therefore natural immunity is superior to the jab.

Posted by: Methos at August 03, 2021 01:45 PM (kOpft)

166 Content?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, hunting lycans with Kate Beckinsale at August 03, 2021 01:44 PM (LvTSG)
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I also clicked all the ads, too, for good measure.

Now ace, don't go spending all that $0.000534 at once, now.

Posted by: reason at August 03, 2021 01:46 PM (ePZfA)

167 Just came from several large chain stores featuring home improvement stuff...both are restocking heavily (as in the aisles are packed) with cleaner, TP, wipes and disinfectant.
I wonder what they know.
Posted by: Diogenes at August 03, 2021 01:36 PM (axyOa)


Hmm. The commissary (which is requiring masks again, by the way) had some empty shelves this past weekend. I wondered if it was supply issues or people starting to hoard again in anticipation of another lockdown.

Posted by: Jordan61 at August 03, 2021 01:46 PM (Ez6QX)

168
Another Question:

At what point does "Breakthrough Cases" become "Fucking Shit Vaccine Has Failed?"

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at August 03, 2021 01:46 PM (MlLUG)

169 Providence made me a spreader.

Posted by: Guy, Bear, Benson at August 03, 2021 01:46 PM (uhPTO)

170 What angers me is that with all the bazillions of dollars thrown at our public health agencies they still can't answer basic questions such as: "Does a Covid positive, vaccinated, non-symptomatic person actually expell virus laden droplets that can infect another person?"

How hard can it be to have someone exhale into a plastic bag and then find the virus particles? After all we had it screamed to the rafters that Covid-19 can last on countertops for 3 days or some such nonsense.

The Israelis apparently issued a study showing natural immunity from having the disease is several times more effective than the vaccine. So why couldn't our vaunted public health bureaucraps do that? I don't think they even thought of doing such a study.

Posted by: George V at August 03, 2021 01:46 PM (U2Tva)

171 How do they know that the vaccine made their symptoms less? They're being told that of course but where's the proof?
IIRC the study in question had a few thousand people.

15 jabbed and 14 unjabbed people got the Wu Flu. No one died. Presumably the claim is the unjabbed people had worse symptoms?

Posted by: 18-1 at August 03, 2021 01:46 PM (DpkTQ)

172 38 John Ratcliffe still comes off as milquetoasty and utterly worthless.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 03, 2021 01:30 PM (BFigT)

Still waiting for that Election 2020 report that was supposed to come out 45 days after the election.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at August 03, 2021 01:47 PM (Slj2X)

173 Remember the ones responsible for all this covid crap is the Chicoms and we have to make them pay. Pay thru their little fuckin noses. I'll take their women as a down payment

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 03, 2021 01:47 PM (GPwVZ)

174 The latest Israeli data doesn't look too good.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at August 03, 2021 01:42 PM (Mzdiz)

"Doesn't look to good" for whom?

The vaxxed? The unvaxxed?
The sick?
Posted by: JoeF.


Those pushing the therapeutic.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 03, 2021 01:47 PM (TUUTu)

175 Big Pharma has been on the government payroll over a year

Posted by: Skip at August 03, 2021 01:47 PM (Cxk7w)

176 My concern is that this is a blueprint for the marxist Left to literally kill off the deplorables.

1) release new engineered virus
2) have gov insist everyone get vax
3) watch as those who don't trust gov die

And they can pretend their hands are clean with "the vax deniers just wouldn't listen"

Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at August 03, 2021 01:47 PM (49Exr)

177 Hmm stabbed. Muslims are stabby. If so that will be a quick memory hole...

Posted by: steevy at August 03, 2021 01:47 PM (uUDKV)

178 How do they know that the vaccine made their symptoms less? They're being told that of course but where's the proof?

How about it didn't make your symptoms less it just gave you a less dangerous form of the covid that you wouldn't have gotten otherwise.



Or maybe Delta Variant just isn't as dangerous as what was going around last year---which I assume is their baseline in terms of potency.

Posted by: JoeF. at August 03, 2021 01:47 PM (mR6Gs)

179 Some people did die from small pox after people started vaccinating. Mistakes got made. Some people were more susceptible. Which is why testing is so important before approval and use. But they short circuited that in the name of bucks. And all they've done is keep shooting themselves in the foot.

You'd think the manufacturers who are protected against any suit or court case would decide it would be better to lay it all out for drs. and researchers and just plain ol folks like me to examine. but something in there they don't want to speak of.

Posted by: jakee308 at August 03, 2021 01:48 PM (wb4G5)

180
So the fbi not only had a "shooter" near the Pentagon, they killed a cop? What a coincidence, right after all the lies from the fake cops at the fake hearing.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at August 03, 2021 01:48 PM (MlLUG)

181 Let's say the vaccine actually does limit the severity of Covid.

If you believe this, why in the world would you ever be scared to be out amongst the unvaccinated?

You're either a silly twat or a now-dedicated hypochondriac.

Either way, a vax ain't gonna fix that.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 03, 2021 01:48 PM (KbCG3)

182 "Doesn't look to good" for whom?
The Israeli data says there will need to be a quarterly booster for Wu Flu - the jabs are down to 30% effectiveness after 6 months.


Posted by: 18-1 at August 03, 2021 01:48 PM (DpkTQ)

183 Ann Barnhardt has up a twitter screen grab, showing the EU has just contracted for 2.1 billion shots for an estimated population of 443 million.

Ann thinks there's a wee problem here.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at August 03, 2021 01:48 PM (2SdPm)

184
Republicans Seize on Pearl Harbor to Blame Japan!
Hate Crimes Soar!

Posted by: CNN , 1941 ed. at August 03, 2021 01:48 PM (dEaub)

185 Another factor was Israel. They're really picky.

Posted by: Braenyard at August 03, 2021 01:43 PM (Jd8Rz)


Israel seems to be crashing and burning.

Israeli PM: Serious COVID cases to quadruple in 20 days, we must impose new restrictions - Israel News -

Posted by: artisanal ette at August 03, 2021 01:49 PM (2o90I)

186 "The risks and severity of side affects of the vaccine are less than those of Covid. "

That's not a true statement for many people. Especially when discussing an experimental treatment. By its very nature many of those side effects are not well known and do not show up sometimes for years or more.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 03, 2021 01:49 PM (sOXXq)

187 Meanwhile kerry's best friends the iranians are hyjcking shipping in the gulf. Hey lets give em more money and the bomb

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 03, 2021 01:49 PM (GPwVZ)

188 75 Did Guy Benson attend Bear Week in Providence?

Posted by: Olddog in mo at August 03, 2021 01:35 PM (9BikW)

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He came from Providence
The one in Rhode Island
Where the old world faggots hang
Heavy in the air

Posted by: ShainS at August 03, 2021 01:49 PM (coZ79)

189 since.

I'm actually developing a complex. I can't catch shit to save my life.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 03, 2021 01:40 PM (TUUTu)

I worked virtually every single day for a large company with hundreds of employees and I never got it.
That I know of.
Posted by: JoeF. at August 03, 2021 01:43 PM (mR6Gs)
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And now we know it's been around since '19.

Posted by: Braenyard at August 03, 2021 01:50 PM (Jd8Rz)

190 Say what you will about the vax, it's every bit as effective as our election integrity laws.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at August 03, 2021 01:50 PM (d9FiS)

191 In 1898, America went to war over the sinking of the Maine. Today, killing half million people draws a strongly worded memo.

Posted by: Ted Torgerson at August 03, 2021 01:50 PM (vN+oL)

192 OT, and presented without comment: Stamford CT woman now holds Guinness world record for largest mouth gape (if I read it correctly)

https://tinyurl.com/vxeur2wb
Posted by: 496

We shall see....

Posted by: The Paolo at August 03, 2021 01:50 PM (mR6Gs)

193 And the human mind being what it is will imagine all sorts of negative possibilities of what it is that they're hiding.

Most of which are crazy and wrong but without any information we can trust, who can say for sure?

I would like to see the stats on what side effects showed up for how many shots and especially I want them to tell us what about the Vax that they're scared to tell us? I'm thinking it's large likely hood of infertility cause that would definitely arouse quite a few nasty people all over the world.

Posted by: jakee308 at August 03, 2021 01:50 PM (wb4G5)

194 I note the emphasis on the words "accidentally released" now dribbling across the chins of the cognoscenti.

That obviously means it wasn't an accident.

Posted by: CZ = FNG To Remain Silent Because, FNG at August 03, 2021 01:50 PM (MkuC5)

195 Can one of you nice people please explain to me what this "breakthrough cases" bullshit is all about?

It's technical language for "proof the vaccine doesn't work" used by people who have taken on faith the idea that the not a vaccine will work because a lot of people call it a vaccine.

Posted by: Methos at August 03, 2021 01:50 PM (kOpft)

196 That's well above the range experts said would provide herd immunity.
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Well there's your problem.

Posted by: ... at August 03, 2021 01:51 PM (T+lAA)

197 The Israeli data says there will need to be a quarterly booster for Wu Flu

Sweet.

Posted by: MRNA up another 9% today at August 03, 2021 01:51 PM (h5TKJ)

198
Retard saw the bodies man. He SAW them.
Posted by: steevy


Duck bodies on ice!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 03, 2021 01:51 PM (63Dwl)

199 How do they know that the vaccine made their symptoms less? They're being told that of course but where's the proof?

How about it didn't make your symptoms less it just gave you a less dangerous form of the covid that you wouldn't have gotten otherwise.

Or maybe Delta Variant just isn't as dangerous as what was going around last year---which I assume is their baseline in terms of potency.
Posted by: JoeF. at August 03, 2021 01:47 PM (mR6Gs)


yep, there is zero research or data to say anything

All I know is, so many people have died or have been critically damaged for life.

Posted by: artisanal ette at August 03, 2021 01:51 PM (2o90I)

200 "He also says that China should forfeit its right to host the 2022 Olympic Games."
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But they can still manufacture all our stuff, though. That's still okay.

Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at August 03, 2021 01:52 PM (OssQ4)

201 I laugh at all the old farts walking around masked up.

They should know better but they're stupid.

Old, masked and stupid is no way to go through life pawpaw.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 03, 2021 01:52 PM (/1l9x)

202 Some people did die from small pox after people started vaccinating...

Posted by: jakee308 at August 03, 2021 01:48 PM (wb4G5)

Small pox was a very special case. It was a live virus (Cow Pox or Vaccinia virus) that was less severe but still offered immunity. It was decades before real vaccines were developed. It's also where the word "vaccine" comes from.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 03, 2021 01:52 PM (UuD2k)

203 If we need a quarterly booster can our vax card at least get us free coffee after 10 punches or so?

Posted by: Broseidon at August 03, 2021 01:52 PM (IroCj)

204
The goal posts have moved to "we never said the vaccine would stop infections and transmission, just they prevent severe disease and death". That's how Miss Lindsey is being spun.

The Israeli data shows that is starting to fail as well. The rate of serious cases amongst the vaccinated there has increased 10 fold in a month, from about 1/100K to 10/100K.

As a Japanese paper out a while back showed, the half-life of the S antibodies in the system is about 68 days, with levels dropping to nil in about 200 days.

The eldery and high risk were vaccinated first, and it's been about 6 months, hence the rising "breakthrough cases".

Note Miss Lindsey was vaccinated back in Dec. 2020.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at August 03, 2021 01:52 PM (Mzdiz)

205 Serious question.

Why are lockdowns even being talked about?
Are DEATHS up?

I don't see that anywhere.

Posted by: JoeF. at August 03, 2021 01:52 PM (mR6Gs)

206 "And the studies are showingA) Natural immunity is lasting at least 8 months (and counting)B) Fake immunity is clearly temporary if it occurs at all (which is why they're pushing boosters)C) Fake immunity appears to replace real immunity if you take a "vaccine" and have already had covid.
Therefore natural immunity is superior to the jab."

Actually the studies show that at 8 mos (and counting) memory cell immunity resides in bone marrow at levels undiminished from the start of infection. And, circulating antibodies are typically at high levels at 8 mos as well.

No memory cell immunity immediately degrades, and by its nature it exists to produce antibodies after circulating/serum levels drop. So by basic physiology, and analogy/Occam's razor as compared to other viruses and the function of immunity, natural immunity is likely years' long (as in plural years) and maybe decades or lifetime.

And, there is some data to suggest that vaccination destroys that natural immunity.

Not only "no reason" but a real, serious, net negative tradeoff may be present here.

Posted by: Zek at August 03, 2021 01:52 PM (dEaub)

207 How do they know that the vaccine made their symptoms less? They're being told that of course but where's the proof?
How about it didn't make your symptoms less it just gave you a less dangerous form of the covid that you wouldn't have gotten otherwise.
--
Or maybe Delta Variant just isn't as dangerous as what was going around last year---which I assume is their baseline in terms of potency.

**

There it is.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Funeral homes do over wheeled they had ducks of bodies in uhauls with ice [ at August 03, 2021 01:52 PM (yK9py)

208 You know, it used to be a medical axiom for doctors to think "horses" when hearing the sound of hooves.

Now, our so-called medical "experts" seem to see zebras everywhere, even if the horses are right in front of their eyes.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at August 03, 2021 01:52 PM (2SdPm)

209 186 "The risks and severity of side affects of the vaccine are less than those of Covid. "

That's not a true statement for many people. Especially when discussing an experimental treatment. By its very nature many of those side effects are not well known and do not show up sometimes for years or more.
Posted by: Marcus T at August 03, 2021 01:49 PM (sOXXq)

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I was going to say something along these lines. I'm 100% certain I would survive the virus -- but not so regarding the vaccines, especially since I have a family history of dying relatively young from blood clots (deep vein thrombosis).

Posted by: ShainS at August 03, 2021 01:52 PM (coZ79)

210 Old, masked and stupid is no way to go through life pawpaw.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 03, 2021 01:52 PM (/1l9x)

Yup. I am just old and stupid

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 03, 2021 01:53 PM (GPwVZ)

211 Israel seems to be crashing and burning.

Israeli PM: Serious COVID cases to quadruple in 20 days, we must impose new restrictions - Israel News -
Posted by: artisanal ette at August 03, 2021 01:49 PM (2o90I)
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There's a big difference between a case after receiving the vaccine and a case without a vaccine.

Posted by: Braenyard at August 03, 2021 01:53 PM (Jd8Rz)

212 I would like to see the stats on what side effects showed up
I believe the known side effect at this point are;
Blood Clotting in almost every one

Serious heart side effects in young men
And likely spontaneous abortion in pregnant women.

I would encourage everyone to watch any of the videos of people having seizures after getting the jab.I believe this is related to the blood clotting. Its what made be decide NO.


Posted by: 18-1 at August 03, 2021 01:53 PM (DpkTQ)

213 Has anyone been vaccinated and not gotten Covid?

Posted by: SH (Non-Elite) at August 03, 2021 01:53 PM (sX1BW)

214 Big Pharma has been on the government payroll over a year
Posted by: Skip at August 03, 2021 01:47 PM (Cxk7w)

A year? They're are one of the biggest donors to both sides and have been for a long time. Although I admit I haven't seen the numbers lately.

Posted by: ... at August 03, 2021 01:53 PM (T+lAA)

215 Here's the true statement. The vaccine works to prevent less serious infections and sometimes completely protects from the virus. However we don't know the rates. We also don't know the impact to pregnant women, overall child bearing and people with conditions such as heart disease, stroke, coagulation issues and many other common conditions.

There you go. Was that hard?

Posted by: Marcus T at August 03, 2021 01:53 PM (sOXXq)

216 is it just me, or is it just a bit suspicious that "staunch republican" Lindsey Graham spends his weekends socializing with the democrats?

sketchy shit, Lindsey

sketchy shit, indeed

Posted by: AltonJackson at August 03, 2021 01:54 PM (FX+dV)

217 Everything has to be cleared through Karen. Otherwise it is misinformation.

Posted by: klaftern at August 03, 2021 01:54 PM (r4sI4)

218 >>>It Is Nearly a "Certainty" That China Created and (Accidentally) Released the Covid-19 Virus That Killed 4.5 Million People and Shut Down the Planet

It IS a certainty that Fauci funded it, possibly in violation of public law, then lied about it, while casting doubt on existing viable therapeutics to get a mRNA "vaccine" authorized for emergency use, and while those people died.


Nuremberg 2.0, and hangings are the only just course.

Posted by: flounder at August 03, 2021 01:54 PM (KnJdm)

219 They can do a mea culpa all they want. Fuck masks and this vax.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at August 03, 2021 01:55 PM (AyKcq)

220 And now we know it's been around since '19.
Posted by: Braenyard at August 03, 2021 01:50 PM (Jd8Rz)


I know a bunch of morons got sick Oct thru Dec 2019 with a flu and lingering cough, myself included. Probably lasted almost 3 weeks. Hadn't been properly sick for decades, save for occasional cold bug scratchy throat sniffles. Too bad they can't figure out how to test for the crap, I'd be curious to find out.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at August 03, 2021 01:55 PM (wAnMi)

221 Didn't the Chinese whistleblower disappear in November of 2019 or so?

Posted by: Broseidon at August 03, 2021 01:55 PM (IroCj)

222 Read about ADE... the vaxed are prone to higher viral load and infection rates after the initial benefit of being vaxed subsides. All of this was predicted last fall.

Posted by: Haywood at August 03, 2021 01:55 PM (YOtcW)

223 "He also says that China should forfeit its right to host the 2022 Olympic Games." ------------------------------------- A LeMay style bombing run might also prevent them from hosting the 2022 Olympic Games.

Posted by: SH (Non-Elite) at August 03, 2021 01:55 PM (sX1BW)

224 There are some people that say the vaccinated shed the virus and infect the unvaccinated. No idea if that's true or not.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at August 03, 2021 01:55 PM (5HBd1)

225 My concern is that this is a blueprint for the marxist Left to literally kill off the deplorables.

1) release new engineered virus
2) have gov insist everyone get vax
3) watch as those who don't trust gov die

And they can pretend their hands are clean with "the vax deniers just wouldn't listen"
Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur


'Cept the vaxxed are dying.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 03, 2021 01:55 PM (TUUTu)

226 205 Serious question.

Why are lockdowns even being talked about?
Are DEATHS up?

I don't see that anywhere.
Posted by: JoeF. at August 03, 2021 01:52 PM (mR6Gs)

No death count on the CNN chyron, like it was during Trump?

Then I don't see the problem.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at August 03, 2021 01:55 PM (dCGaq)

227 There are multiple layers of cosmetic theater going on, so much so that some of them think they're lying to us but are inadvertently telling the truth.

The masks are pushed only because they are a political football, but - they've also been lying their asses off about surface transmission, which actually means they cut down on contamination quite a bit in some environments.

Cliff notes: there is almost no risk of catching it in direct sunlight from anyone who isn't touching you or literally in your face. There is a high risk of catching it directly from others in enclosed, mostly UV-free spaces (masks or no masks), a very high risk in restrooms, and a moderate risk in any indoor spaces if you're practicing poor hygiene and touching things and then your face/nose/eyes without paying attention.

Survival of this thing on surfaces is EXTREMELY well understood. What is not well understood is how much exposure you really need to get sick, mostly because we don't have a good idea of how many are resistant to it and why.

Posted by: somedood at August 03, 2021 01:55 PM (qVRSW)

228
Are DEATHS up?
I don't see that anywhere.

*

here you go. All the way down to the county level. The fun part is to click on those dangerous, angry red counties and look at the "fatalities" section that is greyed out and see zero across the board.

covid19.biglocalnews.org/county-maps/#

IIRC Wake and Mecklenburg, the big counties in NC, had 8 (eight) deaths each over the last 14 days.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Funeral homes do over wheeled they had ducks of bodies in uhauls with ice [ at August 03, 2021 01:56 PM (yK9py)

229 208 You know, it used to be a medical axiom for doctors to think "horses" when hearing the sound of hooves.

Now, our so-called medical "experts" seem to see zebras everywhere, even if the horses are right in front of their eyes.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at August 03, 2021 01:52 PM (2SdPm)

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Never underestimate the power of an irrational cult -- which is exactly what these people are.

Posted by: ShainS at August 03, 2021 01:56 PM (coZ79)

230 I would like to see historical stats corresponding to past annual flues vs this flu.

Posted by: Braenyard at August 03, 2021 01:56 PM (Jd8Rz)

231 is it just me, or is it just a bit suspicious that "staunch republican" Lindsey Graham spends his weekends socializing with the democrats?

sketchy shit, Lindsey

sketchy shit, indeed
Posted by: AltonJackson at August 03, 2021 01:54 PM (FX+dV

Heh I have literally been going on about this forever.

Forget "sides". It's a big club and you ain't in it. Period.

Posted by: ... at August 03, 2021 01:56 PM (T+lAA)

232 What exactly are harmonic tremors?

Posted by: SMH - Dissidentin' in the USSA at August 03, 2021 01:56 PM (Jyah1)

233 214 But they have to now be the biggest producers of government buying

Posted by: Skip at August 03, 2021 01:56 PM (Cxk7w)

234 In 1898, America went to war over the sinking of the Maine. Today, killing half million people draws a strongly worded memo.
Posted by: Ted Torgerson at August 03, 2021 01:50 PM (vN+oL)

I read somewhere a few months back--I don't remember where--that the reason Trump had to be taken out via fraud is that there was a belief among the elite that he would have gone after China for releasing the virus...and pushed them into attacking us, thereby starting a major war.

Posted by: JoeF. at August 03, 2021 01:56 PM (mR6Gs)

235 Posted by: AltonJackson at August 03, 2021 01:54 PM (FX+dV)

Cannot give a reach around without reaching across the aisle.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at August 03, 2021 01:56 PM (AyKcq)

236 Why are lockdowns even being talked about?

Are DEATHS up?

It is common knowledge here that the death rate from Wu Flu is about .2% (about double seasonal flu).

But...most LIVs seems to think it is 20% or higher.

The FNM can't talk about death rates after spending so much time talking about infection rates since people would start to notice...

Posted by: 18-1 at August 03, 2021 01:57 PM (DpkTQ)

237 Bear Week
Bear Week is the largest gathering of bears in the world. Tens of thousands come to Provincetown during this annual event to go to parties, bars, and clubs throughout the town. You know what you've getting into when you attend. No, we're not talking about actual bears.

Posted by: Provincetown calendar at August 03, 2021 01:57 PM (a3Q+t)

238 In Big Pharma's Defense, they lied.

They do that a lot.
But, hey, they make money for their shareholders, so it's all good.

Posted by: Methos at August 03, 2021 01:57 PM (kOpft)

239 "205 Serious question.

Why are lockdowns even being talked about?
Are DEATHS up?

I don't see that anywhere.
Posted by: JoeF. at August 03, 2021 01:52 PM (mR6Gs)"

C'mon, you know why, and that it has nothing to do with deaths. This is 100% about consolidating power.

They don't hesitate to throw out completely BS numbers anyways, at this point.

Posted by: somedood at August 03, 2021 01:57 PM (qVRSW)

240 Removing photos from promotion and selection boards has had adverse effects on diversity, according to Vice Adm. John Nowell Jr., the chief of naval personnel.

I think we should consider reinstating photos in selection boards, Nowell said Tuesday at The Navy Leagues 2021 Sea-Air-Space Exposition. We look at, for instance, the one-star board over the last five years, and we can show you where, as you look at diversity, it went down with photos removed.

Listen bros, you can't have the best candidates and the most diverse at the same time. Not how that works.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 03, 2021 01:57 PM (GPwVZ)

241 "I was going to say something along these lines. I'm 100% certain I would survive the virus -- but not so regarding the vaccines, especially since I have a family history of dying relatively young from blood clots (deep vein thrombosis).
Posted by: ShainS at August 03, 2021 01:52 PM (coZ79)"

They try to say that if you have certain related conditions and are on blood thinners that negates the risk. But it sounds strangely like they don't know. Ditto myocarditis. Their answer is that a side effect of getting COVID is myocarditis, worse then what the vaccine would induce. But what if you are at extremely low risk of contracting the virus? All these individual factors matter.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 03, 2021 01:57 PM (sOXXq)

242 This pretty girl in the sun can make neither heads nor tails of any of the conflicting reports, so has decided to treat everyone as a liar:
https://is.gd/m5YG33

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 03, 2021 01:57 PM (3p5uk)

243 I'm not denying that the vax reduces symptoms but rather saying I can't be sure it does. Thousands of unvaccinated people also have had very minor symptoms. How many break through deaths have their been?

Posted by: Just a side note at August 03, 2021 01:57 PM (2DOZq)

244 Always fun to see people who have taken the experimental jab overcome the cognitive dissonance required to believe that the agencies/companies/criminals who have done nothing but lie to us for 18 months are straight shooting us on the vax. I rarely see any of them even acknowledge the (under reported) vax deaths and thousands of adverse events. What about folks who have recovered from da rona already? Doesn't count, right? Nah... just, hey...if you're older and chubby you should definitely get it. And if you're not, you should definitely get it.
Trust them this time. They are reporting things accurately this time. They swear. All the really sick are unvaccinated. Riiiiight.

Posted by: sgr at August 03, 2021 01:58 PM (iLqqw)

245 Ship is hijacked by Iranian forces off the UAE coast just days after Iranian kamikaze drone strike in the Gulf - Daily Mail 55 minutes ago

The United Kingdom Maritime Trade Operations warning advised vessels to exercise extreme caution in the area, around 61 nautical miles east of the Emirati port city...

Posted by: Braenyard at August 03, 2021 01:58 PM (Jd8Rz)

246 No mean tweets!!!

Posted by: Jak Sucio at August 03, 2021 01:58 PM (xSdhG)

247 =Let's just hope they're all healthy! I sure wouldn't want the Senate to
lack a quorum when they vote on the Human Infrastructure Bill our
heroically competent Senate Republicans negotiated for us!!!

Yeah, the bill that includes a federal tax levy for each mile traveled in a vehicle.

Posted by: mrp at August 03, 2021 01:58 PM (Pqytn)

248 But...most LIVs seems to think it is 20% or higher.

**

It's almost as much as the US gay population.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Funeral homes do over wheeled they had ducks of bodies in uhauls with ice [ at August 03, 2021 01:58 PM (yK9py)

249 I laugh at all the old farts walking around masked up.

They should know better but they're stupid.

Old, masked and stupid is no way to go through life pawpaw.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 03, 2021 01:52 PM (/1l9x)


What's funny is in my neck of the woods South SF Bay Area, it's the opposite. Old folks not masked up, and all the young ones are. Guarantee, 20 and under 99% are masked. What really pisses me off is when I see mom pushing her 2 year old around in the supermarket, and the kid is wearing a mask. That's not going to change. Brain damaged kids - bad enough they're only fed a vegan diet but now their brains are oxygen starved to boot.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at August 03, 2021 01:58 PM (wAnMi)

250 I know a bunch of morons got sick Oct thru Dec 2019 with a flu and lingering cough, myself included. Probably lasted almost 3 weeks. Hadn't been properly sick for decades, save for occasional cold bug scratchy throat sniffles. Too bad they can't figure out how to test for the crap, I'd be curious to find out.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at August 03, 2021 01:55 PM (wAnMi)

My suspected early China virus infection lasted about 2 months starting about Thanksgiving, and lingering like no other. I had a follow on unique, ongoing sinus congestion issue earlier this year (about two months), that I suspect was a reinfection of China virus.

Posted by: flounder at August 03, 2021 01:58 PM (KnJdm)

251 There =their

Posted by: Just a side note at August 03, 2021 01:59 PM (2DOZq)

252 that the reason Trump had to be taken out via fraud is that there was a
belief among the elite that he would have gone after China for releasing
the virus...and pushed them into attacking us, thereby starting a major
war ---------------------------------------- Real Wars scare the Forever War crowd. Real Wars are won (or lost) and have real sacrifices (you might actually die or lose your wealth), but Forever Wars ... well those can go on forever and you don't really have to sacrifice yourself or your wealth.

Posted by: SH (Non-Elite) at August 03, 2021 01:59 PM (sX1BW)

253 I don't believe anyone about the Wuflu anymore. Not even people on this blog. I'll make my own decisions based on what I've seen or experienced. And using that criteria, I've ascertained that all of it is a hoax and a scam. It's nothing but politics, money, and power brokering.

Oh, and mass hysteria to keep the population in a constant state of confusion.

Posted by: Justsayin' at August 03, 2021 01:59 PM (Fs5vw)

254 Brain damaged kids - bad enough they're only fed a vegan diet but now their brains are oxygen starved to boot.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at August 03, 2021 01:58 PM (wAnMi)

The world needs ditch diggers.

Posted by: flounder at August 03, 2021 01:59 PM (KnJdm)

255 What's funny is in my neck of the woods South SF Bay Area, it's the opposite. Old folks not masked up, and all the young ones are. Guarantee, 20 and under 99% are masked. What really pisses me off is when I see mom pushing her 2 year old around in the supermarket, and the kid is wearing a mask. That's not going to change. Brain damaged kids - bad enough they're only fed a vegan diet but now their brains are oxygen starved to boot.
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at August 03, 2021 01:58 PM (wAnMi)
------------

Morro Bay, CA., same. Older people not masked, youngsters all masked up.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at August 03, 2021 02:00 PM (2SdPm)

256 If I cared about the Olympics, I would argue that they should never, ever be held in a tyrannical dictatorship, but meh, whatever.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 03, 2021 02:00 PM (KZzsI)

257 Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at August 03, 2021 01:45 PM (Mzdiz)

Not only that. Some vaccines led to the elimination of the disease as most all the pools of victims were known and could be reached and vaccinated.

This can't happen with the covid cause it already can be found in animals. There's no way to vaccinate all the animals so there will always be a source for the virus to take hold.

The real procedure is to vaccinate those that don't have it and find and use therapies that will cure or make less sick those that do get it.

Because of the way the pharma has monetized the vaccine, no one's doing the therapy search. At least not in this country. Because if they are, the FDA is shutting them down or making it hard for them to make it know. The info is still getting out there. And that's the real crime here. People go to the hospital and told to go back home till it gets worse but they don't have a protocol for easing or erasing the symptoms so when they come back to the hospital it's to die.

Posted by: jakee308 at August 03, 2021 02:00 PM (wb4G5)

258 The existing science and observational history on masks is of course quite a bit worse than the WH adviser admits. It's pretty simple. Anything other than a true respirator offers little to no protection, either way. A properly fit/worn and frequently changed N95 *may* offer *some* protection for the wearer, none for anybody else (evidence is weak, but not non-existent, for this).

And all this was known in March 2020. As I endlessly repeat, the CDC itself published a meta-study in May 2020 (!!!) summarizing the science on masks to date (from which the observations above are drawn).

There was a well-designed, very large N randomized controlled trial in Denmark in spring '20. It showed no measurable benefit from mask-wearing. And, of course, they had trouble getting it published.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at August 03, 2021 02:00 PM (OTzUX)

259
I posted this link on the ONT last night, and I'll post here. This is Geert Vanden Bossche, eminent virologist explaining the problem here:

https://tinyurl.com/244dy92a

He's telling you everything we've been saying, but in fancy, Ph.D virology and immunology language.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at August 03, 2021 02:00 PM (Mzdiz)

260 'The DANMASK-19, the first trial of surgical mask use during Covid-19, was finally published. For some authors, the study was inconclusive.[1] That is an inaccurate statement.' Dr Antonio Lazzarino Medical Doctor and Epidemiologist, UCL. Letter to BMJ

https://twitter.com/ClarkeMicah/status/
1422246373873827849

"...the conclusion we must draw is that masks give a protection that is less than 50%. That is a very important message to give to the many people thinking that masks give a protection that is close to 100%."

Posted by: david fwench my wife, pwease at August 03, 2021 02:00 PM (UHVv4)

261 I'm not denying that the vax reduces symptoms but rather saying I can't be sure it does.

**

It's a brilliant scam and I'm very impressed they pulled it off.

Remember last year before the virus when asymptomatic people were the biggest spreaders and people had to get tested because they might not even know they were sick?

Exactly like WITH the vaccine.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Funeral homes do over wheeled they had ducks of bodies in uhauls with ice [ at August 03, 2021 02:00 PM (yK9py)

262 177 Hmm stabbed. Muslims are stabby. If so that will be a quick memory hole...
Posted by: steevy at August 03, 2021 01:47 PM (uUDKV)

Aloha Ackbar loves him some stabber.

And, worse, they're screamers.

Posted by: CZ = FNG To Remain Silent Because, FNG at August 03, 2021 02:00 PM (MkuC5)

263 I am beginning to suspect deliberate release. China pushed or not naming viruses based on location. The "Delta" variant comes from India. India weathered the first and second wave well. The Delta variant didn't appear until border skirmishes with China were occurring.

Coincidence and Chinese commies have more than 'c' in common

Posted by: Chicago Vota at August 03, 2021 02:01 PM (ts6Zs)

264 Covid is a gigantic plot to take the focus off of making fun of Boomers.

Gen X finally had enough of them so Boomer Number 2, Fauci, released Covid from his pet Chinese lab.

Now rather than talking about silly Boomers we're talking about silly Covid.

Another Boomer plot.

Posted by: MJ at August 03, 2021 02:01 PM (zwDuR)

265 Let's see, a virus that has a higher morbidity among those with an African background.

China being a big player in Africa these days.

A virus that could cause a ton of human damage to the African continent leaving the Chicoms pretty much in charge of the continent.

Can you say Chicoms turning Africa into a Chinese Buffet?

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper at August 03, 2021 02:01 PM (I8FKK)

266 239 "205 Serious question.

Why are lockdowns even being talked about?
Are DEATHS up?

I don't see that anywhere.
Posted by: JoeF. at August 03, 2021 01:52 PM (mR6Gs)"
-------------------

No, deaths aren't up. They know how to treat it now.

Also the greatest percentage of those hospitalized are vaccinated and the greatest percentage of deaths are un-vaccinated.

Posted by: Braenyard at August 03, 2021 02:01 PM (Jd8Rz)

267 I don't think it was accidentally released. Chinese and Globalists wanted Trump out. It's also a "try out" for the next thing to be released.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 03, 2021 02:01 PM (k39e/)

268 But...most LIVs seems to think it is 20% or higher.

**

It's almost as much as the US gay population.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Funeral homes do over wheeled they had ducks of bodies in uhauls with ice [ at August 03, 2021 01:58 PM (yK9py)

I'm almost convinced that 20% of the population is gay. 18% being in the closet.

Posted by: Just a side note at August 03, 2021 02:01 PM (2DOZq)

269 Why are lockdowns even being talked about?

Because you're resisting. Because you won't mask up and won't get the vaccine, so the next button to push is the lockdown. If you go along with it, then the regime knows that everything else - mandatory vaccines, vax papers, no dining out or shopping without your vaccination card - is only a matter of time.

Either get into the streets in the thousands and put your "elected" masters on notice that they will be turned into living lamppost ornaments if they try it. . .

Or get used to your chains.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at August 03, 2021 02:01 PM (2JVJo)

270 I read somewhere a few months back--I don't remember where--that the reason Trump had to be taken out via fraud is that there was a belief among the elite that he would have gone after China for releasing the virus...and pushed them into attacking us, thereby starting a major war.
Posted by: JoeF
------------
That makes complete sense. When a country attacks and kills a million of our citizens with their weapon, it would be poor form to fight back. It might make them angry or something.

Posted by: Drc at August 03, 2021 02:01 PM (vbaSG)

271 Be ready with a lawyer to demand that you be treated if you get ill enough.

And find out if there is someone near you who is performing any sort of off label prescribing for the virus.

Be prepared to fight. If you can't then have your family be prepared to fight for you.

Posted by: jakee308 at August 03, 2021 02:01 PM (wb4G5)

272 And now for something completely different. Alvin and the Chipmunks have gone post punk!

https://bit.ly/3jiMd6v

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at August 03, 2021 02:01 PM (d9FiS)

273 I have been vaccinated but I truly wish to avoid the company of Benjamin Wittes.

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at August 03, 2021 02:02 PM (cSyAR)

274 253 I don't believe anyone about the Wuflu anymore. Not even people on this blog. I'll make my own decisions based on what I've seen or experienced. And using that criteria, I've ascertained that all of it is a hoax and a scam. It's nothing but politics, money, and power brokering.

Oh, and mass hysteria to keep the population in a constant state of confusion.
Posted by: Justsayin' at August 03, 2021 01:59 PM (Fs5vw)

That's the thing, you don't have to believe anyone, all you have to do is pay attention. Are the elite cowering in bunkers? Did they scold all those summer of love rioters for being super spreaders? Did any "super spreader" event actually lead to anything?

Paying attention for just five seconds reveals some pretty obvious truths.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 03, 2021 02:03 PM (KbCG3)

275 Whoa. Taking away the olympics from china?!?!

That's harsh, man.
Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at August 03, 2021 01:28 PM (MlLUG)


They'll never do it. The whining about how we have to help China "save face" will prevent anyone from ever forcing China to take responsibility. It was the same when the USSR was the big threat - it was always too dangerous to pin them down and make them eat crow, we had to leave them a path to retreat instead of actually trying to beat them. And the British were obsessing about embarrassing Hitler back in the 30s, too. It's always the same.

Posted by: Dr. Mabuse at August 03, 2021 02:03 PM (4cfN2)

276 Just wonder when some Leftist will build a Covid Shrine to commemorate the disease that finished off the Mean Tweeter and the American Republic?


Posted by: Beyond Norman Parameters at August 03, 2021 02:03 PM (ZA+pX)

277 260 Cuck sock off; and horde mind #258

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at August 03, 2021 02:03 PM (UHVv4)

278 There's a big difference between a case after receiving the vaccine and a case without a vaccine.
Posted by: Braenyard at August 03, 2021 01:53 PM (Jd8Rz)


as explained in that piece, and alluded to by Ace up there, in Israel especially, they have the majority over 30 vaxxed up. And those that are not getting it are most likely too sickly to get the vaccine. That is why there is a handful of those elderly that have not gotten it, no doubt. So of course the very sickly who cannot get the vaccine (case) will be more likely to be more serious. But that is not what the data is showing in general. The trend is up. Vax or not, it is all going back up. Serious cases.

Posted by: artisanal ette at August 03, 2021 02:03 PM (2o90I)

279 Small - well, actually, enormous - correction here, ace (and to everyone, not just ace).

Chy-nah is responsible for absolutely none of the "shutting down the world" - that is entirely the incompetent, illiterate, scientifically baseless self-inflicted vandalism of all those entities/jurisdictions/countries doing it. Those that didn't fare about the same as everyone else, in terms of virus impact (duh - of course they did, this was to be expected based on a century of observation and real science).

One may allow lee-way for the initial panic, as some kind of prudent application of the precautionary principle (I do); but much beyond that, nope. Not a bit.

"Social distancing", like all "mitigation" measures, has never been shown to deliver any benefit against a prevalent highly infectious virus. Leave alone that the metrics (6 feet, or in the UK 2 meters then, magically .... one meter!) have zero scientific empirical basis.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at August 03, 2021 02:03 PM (OTzUX)

280 That life hack stuff from the sidebar is like a SNL sketch back when they were creative and sometimes funny. Its self parody. But I bet there are tens of thousands of dimwitted 20-something girls out there who swear by all of it and make their husband's lives miserable.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 03, 2021 02:04 PM (KZzsI)

281 "15% of CVID 19 deaths are in vaccinated pyrsyns"

I was looking for that kind of data ... I guess that is an improvement, and backs up the idea that those with comorbidities should get one of the vaccines.

But Dr. Malone said the healthy population should not get it, because as the effectiveness wanes, that basically is the stage where the virus adapts ... it is breeding resistance to the vaccines.

But all stats are suspect now ... they not only lie, they fabricate "evidence". (same with Trump/Russia .. not just make up the story, but fabricate evidence).

Posted by: illiniwek at August 03, 2021 02:04 PM (Cus5s)

282 Same shit sane time in Europe. It's as though they are reading from the same script.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at August 03, 2021 02:04 PM (qoz/n)

283 ZERO. TRUST.

Write that on your mask when you have to wear one.

Posted by: Minuteman at August 03, 2021 02:04 PM (qZKPY)

284 The old adage is "Never ascribe to malice that which is explained by incompetence" but, in this case, malice applies. No one will ever investigate Fauci rushing to China to conduct GIF research, right after it was outlawed in the United States. But he most probably did exactly that. Tony Fauci invested our taxpayer money in a CCP bioweapons project. It's fucking unbelievable this guy isn't in ADX Florence, alongside Ramzi Yousef and Ted Kaczynski.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 03, 2021 02:04 PM (caMrg)

285 Chy-nah is responsible for absolutely none of the "shutting down the world" - that is entirely the incompetent, illiterate, scientifically baseless self-inflicted vandalism of all those entities/jurisdictions/countries doing it

I am confident that China backed, encouraged, and supported all the decisions to shut everything down.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 03, 2021 02:05 PM (KZzsI)

286
Here's the true statement. The vaccine works to prevent less serious
infections and sometimes completely protects from the virus.
Is there any evidence to back that up?

Posted by: Methos at August 03, 2021 02:05 PM (kOpft)

287 My concern is that this is a blueprint for the marxist Left to literally kill off the deplorables.

1) release new engineered virus
2) have gov insist everyone get vax
3) watch as those who don't trust gov die

And they can pretend their hands are clean with "the vax deniers just wouldn't listen"
Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur

'Cept the vaxxed are dying.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 03, 2021 01:55 PM (TUUTu)

Not this contagion. The next one.

Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at August 03, 2021 02:05 PM (49Exr)

288 Posted by: 18-1 at August 03, 2021 01:57 PM (DpkTQ)

Deaths nationwide are WAY down, even with cases being up.

100,000 new cases / 362 deaths per day from the vids.

Note, normal US death rate per day? 7800.

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 03, 2021 02:05 PM (oHd/0)

289 Al Sharpton Tells Left: 'Rise Up' Against 'Racist Cowards' Who Oppose Critical Race Theory

-
I guess he means vote hard.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at August 03, 2021 02:05 PM (d9FiS)

290 Paying attention for just five seconds reveals some pretty obvious truths.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 03, 2021 02:03 PM (KbCG3)


Not to mention Florida.
Where DeSantis focused on the elderly, just like during flu season.
We'll see how this goes, but so far, he's been the smart one.

Posted by: artisanal ette at August 03, 2021 02:05 PM (2o90I)

291 "bunsen burners and Erlenmeyer Flasks"

I wonder if Bunsen and Erlenmeyer knew each other.

Posted by: SFGoth (KAi1n) at August 03, 2021 02:05 PM (KAi1n)

292 I'd like to see someone say explicitly, on national TV in front of Biden and Harris, that the US government and the CCCP are directly responsible for the development and the spread of COVID.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at August 03, 2021 02:05 PM (8lp5u)

293 Another Boomer Plot.

Take your face outta the phone every once in awhile and learn the art of The Snipe Hunt junior.

Posted by: Jak Sucio at August 03, 2021 02:05 PM (xSdhG)

294 Remember Tuskegee.

Don't be a guinea pig.

Posted by: callsign claymore at August 03, 2021 02:05 PM (WMWGS)

295 I read somewhere a few months back--I don't remember where--that the reason Trump had to be taken out via fraud is that there was a belief among the elite that he would have gone after China for releasing the virus...and pushed them into attacking us, thereby starting a major war.
Posted by: JoeF
------------
That makes complete sense. When a country attacks and kills a million of our citizens with their weapon, it would be poor form to fight back. It might make them angry or something.
Posted by: Drc


I thought they were mad because Trump HADN'T started any wars?

Posted by: rickb223 at August 03, 2021 02:06 PM (TUUTu)

296 Our betters appear to me to be malicious and incompetent in exactly equal measure. I cannot handicap a winner in that race.

Posted by: ... at August 03, 2021 02:06 PM (T+lAA)

297 And now for something completely different. Alvin and the Chipmunks have gone post punk!

https://bit.ly/3jiMd6v
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at August 03, 2021 02:01 PM (d9FiS)


Shit. I wish I knew how to rip "Walk Like An Egyptian" off that vid and upload it to an MP3 file.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at August 03, 2021 02:06 PM (2JVJo)

298 A guy walks up to me yesterday and the first words he uttered were "Well, it looks like we're going to mask up again." The first word (but not the last word) I said was "Bullshit!"

Posted by: mrp at August 03, 2021 02:06 PM (Pqytn)

299 Here's the true statement. The vaccine works to prevent less serious
infections and sometimes completely protects from the virus.
Is there any evidence to back that up?
Posted by: Methos at August 03, 2021 02:05 PM (kOpft)



no

Posted by: artisanal ette at August 03, 2021 02:06 PM (2o90I)

300 Chy-nah is responsible for absolutely none of the "shutting down the
world" - that is entirely the incompetent, illiterate, scientifically
baseless self-inflicted vandalism of all those
entities/jurisdictions/countries doing it.
=============
this is true.

Posted by: Sweden at August 03, 2021 02:06 PM (caMrg)

301 I am confident that China backed, encouraged, and supported all the decisions to shut everything down.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 03, 2021 02:05 PM (KZzsI)
++++
As am I. I would be willing to bet, however, that amongst themselves they are absolutely astounded by how effective it's all been, and how long it's lasted.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 03, 2021 02:06 PM (3p5uk)

302 Whoever runs on taking the Olympics away from the Chicoms /pressuring the corrupt IOC , will win They can host in it Korea in 2023. To give Korea enough time.

Posted by: runner at August 03, 2021 02:07 PM (Ysuy6)

303 You need 15 minutes close personal contact to get it. That's what a doctor in NY said during the worst of it last year.

The other thing that doesn't get mentioned (besides taking vitamin D) is ventilating your home. That came out the same time as social distancing and they stopped mentioning it in short order.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at August 03, 2021 02:07 PM (5HBd1)

304 All numbers are bullshit... remember PCR test can't differentiate between influenza flu and covid...

Posted by: Haywood at August 03, 2021 02:08 PM (YOtcW)

305
See?

Pivot back to CRT, everyone!

And then pivot back to Trump's taxes!

And then pivot back to mass shootings!

Then back to vaccinations!

They have us running around in circles.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at August 03, 2021 02:08 PM (MlLUG)

306 I read somewhere a few months back--I don't remember where--that the reason Trump had to be taken out via fraud is that there was a belief among the elite that he would have gone after China for releasing the virus...and pushed them into attacking us, thereby starting a major war.
Posted by: JoeF


Trump is why I do not believe it was an accident. The timing was perfect.

Posted by: artisanal ette at August 03, 2021 02:08 PM (2o90I)

307 thought they were mad because Trump HADN'T started any wars?
Posted by: rickb223
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At this point it is impossible to know what is fact and what is fiction. What is probably true is that the people in the deep state hate trump and all of his supporters because it either threatened, or disrupted their grift.

Posted by: Drc at August 03, 2021 02:09 PM (vbaSG)

308 The trend is up. Vax or not, it is all going back up. Serious cases.
Posted by: artisanal ette at August 03, 2021 02:03 PM (2o90I)
-----------

The percentage of vaccinated people with a serious case is extremely low. The lowest of all.

Posted by: Braenyard at August 03, 2021 02:09 PM (Jd8Rz)

309 Not this contagion. The next one.
Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at August 03, 2021 02:05 PM (49Exr)

This line of thinking falls apart for several reasons.

1, the right's response to COVID is based on sound reasoning and observation
2, the right's response to the vaccine is based on sound reasoning and observation

Should a contagion emerge that is unquestionably deadly, and a subsequent vaccine emerge that is unquestionably effective, you'd get 100% vax rates.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 03, 2021 02:09 PM (KbCG3)

310 the hoax virus is here. it was made by humans (saves words) .

new ip, romania this time. weather 69 and sunny.

probably hoax climate change.

Posted by: shtick at August 03, 2021 02:09 PM (Z8X8g)

311 Ad on the front page says
"New lung cleaning device goes viral"

Posted by: f'd at August 03, 2021 02:09 PM (8jZOp)

312 Don't know if he's in the thread, but Moron publius has been bird-dogging the vaccine issue. I formally gave up on it all before the vaccines were out (my specialty was the futility/damage of "mitigation" policies).

Briefly: the mRNA vaccines, unsurprisingly, seem to wane in efficacy over time, and fairly quickly. I think Israeli data are that prevention of infection is down to 16% (down from the high 90s) within 6 months. Has to do with the way they work.

I think the current things are better labeled "short term preventatives/prophylactic therapeutics" than "vaccines", if one is to use the latter term the way it has been used for decades and is understood by most.

And there's value to greatly reducing odds of severe disease, obviously. In fact, it's a tremendous tool, properly used, and evaluated on an individual basis. As ace properly explains.

But it's not a "public health" issue, technically. It's individual, or private, health.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at August 03, 2021 02:09 PM (OTzUX)

313 I thought they were mad because Trump HADN'T started any wars?
Posted by: rickb223 at August 03, 2021 02:06 PM (TUUTu)
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Sort of. They want a regional skirmish - something that requires the commitment of moderate resources for a long period of time, but zero existential risk to themselves. They love those affairs that grind up soldiers at a slow pace and causes a lot of sweet, sweet MIC money to flow indefinitely and permits the entrenchment of their crews into the state apparatus and budgeting processes.

This would be different. This would potentially be war with Red China, and with that country firing the first metaphorical (the virus) and literal (retaliation against blockade or similar measure) shots. That would be an existential war, with full mobilization and no room for games or personal enrichment by playing both sides or elongating the conflict. That kind of war - real, total existential war - is not on the list of things they *ever* want. That's too chancy, too much can go wrong and they might not come out on top.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 03, 2021 02:09 PM (3p5uk)

314 You need 15 minutes close personal contact to get it.

So sex is not contagious?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 03, 2021 02:09 PM (GPwVZ)

315
Our betters appear to me to be malicious and incompetent in exactly equal measure.

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muchly true

Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 03, 2021 02:10 PM (caMrg)

316 you need 15 minutes close personal contact to get it. That's what a doctor in NY said during the worst of it last year.

**

It was an administrative statement because the CDC had to make some time limit on their requirements for contact tracing.

6 feet for 15 minutes or more was the arbitrary time limit and distance they chose for paperwork. The end.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Funeral homes do over wheeled they had ducks of bodies in uhauls with ice [ at August 03, 2021 02:10 PM (yK9py)

317 Covid comes with choices too make. Get it you will. Upon getting the virus you are either vaxxed or not. I chose to get the vaxx as I'm a. 29 b. Fat c. Have other health issues. My wife vaxxed as well. As have my 2 kids. Getting the jab involves risk so does getting the sino lung aides. Weigh the risks. Masks do nothing the real decision is to get the vaxx or not. Other than that don't worry you have no control.

Posted by: USNtakim deplorable still. at August 03, 2021 02:10 PM (0OmEj)

318 Even if I had decided to take the jab, there is no way in hell I would take a chance on repeated administrations every three months for who knows how long. Just tempting fate, IMO.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at August 03, 2021 02:10 PM (TKmok)

319 Lot of copium among the vaccinated, even around here. I started off with an open mind about the purported effectiveness but now I'm leaning toward "not very". I doubt I'm not the only one not jumping at the chance to get cajoled into a lifetime subscription of clot shot.

As far as the safety, that's where I feel the real smokescreen is. We never had a proper phase 3 RCT and literally no one can credibly claim that they know that there are no serious long-term side effects. But fuck me for doing my own personal risk assessment and deciding that I don't want to be a human guinea pig for something that has a very low chance of killing me.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at August 03, 2021 02:11 PM (DXFDM)

320 Wasn't Radcliffe supposed to write a report on election security, which never materialized?

Posted by: Pyrocles at August 03, 2021 02:11 PM (h7J0a)

321 Test

Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at August 03, 2021 02:11 PM (sJHOI)

322 Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at August 03, 2021 02:05 PM (49Exr)

Its a direct assault on the idea you have Rights... not just privileges you are given by your kindly Masters in the Government.

Speech is under attack, due to 'misinformation'.
Property? Could not control your own businesses, nor kick out deadbeats.
Free Association? Nope, limited who you could see.
Religion? They shut down churches.

Right to petition for Redress? Supremes said it was not their place to second guess Executives during times of crises.
Now, you do not even own your own body... as they are mandating what you put it.
Hell, they even screwed up the Right to vote, by all the 'rule' changes last election.
Oh, and that guarantee of a Republican Form of Government? Sorry, rule of law, which is the very basis of a Republic, is now gone. And equal application of the law? Morte.

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 03, 2021 02:12 PM (oHd/0)

323 "As far as I know,
it is now an established fact rather than a prediction or projection that the vaccines do in fact prevent 99% of all serious cases of covid. The numbers of vaccinated people being hospitalized for covid is very low, and the numbers of vaccinated people dying due to covid is even lower." _Ace

from headline commentary

Posted by: Braenyard at August 03, 2021 02:12 PM (Jd8Rz)

324 "Here's the true statement. The vaccine works to prevent less serious
infections and sometimes completely protects from the virus.
Is there any evidence to back that up?
Posted by: Methos at August 03, 2021 02:05 PM (kOpft) "

Yes. There were several studies in JAMA which statistically bear this out. It is also reflected in the CDC data by state and vaccination rate. This far anyway. States with a higher then 70% vaccination rate have lower rates of hospitalization and serious infection. That at least implies some added level of protection. But that's only one aspect to consider.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 03, 2021 02:12 PM (sOXXq)

325 What I find irritating is the conflation between terms - testing positive, infection, illness, hospitalization, and death. These are NOT the same thing. A surge of positive tests doesn't mean infection, and infections don't mean illness, and illness doesn't mean hospitalization or death.

Each needs to be registered in a separate category. Frankly I only care about serious infection and death - people getting the equivalent of a cold ain't no biggie. Asymptomatic infection is no biggie.

Posted by: Inspector kemp at August 03, 2021 02:12 PM (Szvj6)

326 The same people who light up buildings to support the "choice" to rip apart a fully grown baby in the womb want you to know you are *selfish* and *stupid* for not taking the vaccine.

Posted by: ... at August 03, 2021 02:12 PM (T+lAA)

327 Morro Bay, CA., same. Older people not masked, youngsters all masked up.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at August 03, 2021 02:00 PM (2SdPm)

You'll see the same around LA. Young people need the mask, emotionally, it seems.

Posted by: Grudge Harbor at August 03, 2021 02:12 PM (uhPTO)

328 CDC:

"For COVID-19, a close contact is anyone who was within 6 feet of an infected person for a total of 15 minutes or more.
...even if they were wearing a mask while they were around someone with COVID-19."

Because masks work.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Funeral homes do over wheeled they had ducks of bodies in uhauls with ice [ at August 03, 2021 02:13 PM (yK9py)

329 There are family members who did not get the Covid who were caring for Covid infected family members. There is no rhyme or reason.

Posted by: Just a side note at August 03, 2021 02:13 PM (2DOZq)

330 Meanwhile in Sweden...

Posted by: artisanal ette at August 03, 2021 02:13 PM (2o90I)

331
"My message on why I'm upbeat & grateful"

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Let me guess... Joe Biden hoarsely whispered that in 2022, 2021 expenditures on Bette Midler albums and feather boas will be fully deductible?

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 03, 2021 02:13 PM (JN3xP)

332 Is that like Alvin & the Chipmunks: The Squeakhole??

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at August 03, 2021 02:13 PM (UHVv4)

333 Del Shannon > Del Taco > Del Tavariant

Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at August 03, 2021 02:13 PM (sJHOI)

334 Remember Tuskegee.

Don't be a guinea pig.


Exactly. This is largely untested new technology the big pharma wanted out there tested and pushed on people so they don't fear it so much any more.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 03, 2021 02:13 PM (KZzsI)

335 I believe there's plenty of evidence to substantiate the observation about prevention and reduction of severity, at least for a brief time, from the trials, and subsequent real-world data, including Israel. But publius would know. And it makes sense. The mechanism by which the mRNA boosts resistance is logical, has been known to work in other cases.

This is completely separate from individual intolerance/sensitivity that can make the mRNA a side-effect risk for some.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at August 03, 2021 02:13 PM (OTzUX)

336 China murders 5 million plus people and Radcliff suggests withholding the Olympics

Posted by: Gonzotx at August 03, 2021 02:13 PM (0WEXg)

337 My concern is that this is a blueprint for the marxist Left to literally kill off the deplorables.

1) release new engineered virus
2) have gov insist everyone get vax
3) watch as those who don't trust gov die


That would be a very stupid plan. The 18 month panic has almost completely crowded out everyone's memory of how medicine normally works. Vaccines aren't just cooked up in an afternoon then Fed-Exed around the world. What's happened with the WuFlu vaccine HAS NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE. It can take years of experimentation and testing before a proper vaccine is achieved.

My reason for not taking the so-called vaccine is that the method of producing it was rushed and half-assed. Nobody knows what this stuff will do to humans in a year or 5 years or 10. What it will do to babies in utero. What it might do to developing children. I'll never forgive Trump for his bragging about "Warp Speed" production of this concoction, as if all it took to make a scientific breakthrough was willpower and energy.

Posted by: Dr. Mabuse at August 03, 2021 02:14 PM (4cfN2)

338 Do we yet know if "asymptomatic transmission" is a thing?

Would be next to impossible to study I'm sure. Could take weeks or more to figure out and we just don't have that kind of time.

Posted by: ... at August 03, 2021 02:14 PM (T+lAA)

339 Chy-nah is responsible for absolutely none of the "shutting down the
world" - that is entirely the incompetent, illiterate, scientifically
baseless self-inflicted vandalism of all those
entities/jurisdictions/countries doing it

China actively promoted hysteria. They were caught doing so on twitter where they could find a large audience of journalists. And don't forget that video "smuggled" out of China of folks falling dead in the streets-which didn't happen anywhere else.

Posted by: Methos at August 03, 2021 02:14 PM (kOpft)

340 Looking over the comments, I see the junta and media have done their job.

Posted by: Jak Sucio at August 03, 2021 02:14 PM (xSdhG)

341 Square these two statements
1) The jab is safe, effective, and will stop you from getting a serious COVID infection. Everyone should get it.

2) No, we can't show the 10 year, 5 year, or even 2 year prognosis of any human being that has ever taken an mRNA genetic therapy let alone one which causes the formulation of an artificial protein spike in your body.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 03, 2021 02:14 PM (DpkTQ)

342 Exactly. This is largely untested new technology the big pharma wanted out there tested and pushed on people so they don't fear it so much any more.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 03, 2021 02:13 PM (KZzsI)

**

And there's no possible way it doesn't get immediate approval now that 150M+ Americans - including children - have put it in their bodies.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Funeral homes do over wheeled they had ducks of bodies in uhauls with ice [ at August 03, 2021 02:15 PM (yK9py)

343 China murders 5 million plus people and Radcliff suggests withholding the Olympics
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Now that there is zero risk that anyone will act on his suggestion, Ratcliff has lots of advice. Funny, that.

Posted by: Drc at August 03, 2021 02:15 PM (vbaSG)

344 Cooper versus Cooper:
https://tinyurl.com/5sypwf65

Posted by: Biden's Dog at August 03, 2021 02:15 PM (gfB3g)

345 You need 15 minutes close personal contact to get it. That's what a doctor in NY said during the worst of it last year.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at August 03, 2021 02:07 PM (5HBd1)


That reminds me. I read an article the other day that said transmission has gone from 12 seconds to 1 second with the delta variant. Where TF did those numbers come from?

Posted by: Jordan61 at August 03, 2021 02:15 PM (Ez6QX)

346 What is probably true is that the people in the deep
state hate trump and all of his supporters because it either
threatened, or disrupted their grift.

Posted by: Drc at August 03, 2021 02:09 PM (vbaSG)

The simplest answer is usually the correct answer...and money is usually the answer!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 03, 2021 02:15 PM (Q9lwr)

347 No, this was a video of a doctor in NYC that talked about needing to be in close contact. He said he was relieved because he finally knew how to protect himself when treating patients. I've seen it mentioned a few times elsewhere, but that stuck with me. And as people have pointed out, the Diamond Princess cruise ship should have taught us a lot about it.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at August 03, 2021 02:15 PM (5HBd1)

348 As far as I know,
it is now an established fact rather than a prediction or projection that the vaccines do in fact prevent 99% of all serious cases of covid


That's difficult to substantiate though, since those people might not have gotten the disease to begin with.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 03, 2021 02:15 PM (KZzsI)

349 Apparently the click bait guys haven't yet got the memo about Rush being dead for some months.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at August 03, 2021 02:15 PM (o2MD2)

350 You can take piss...pour it through the mask....it's very drinkable.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at August 03, 2021 02:15 PM (qoz/n)

351 Do we yet know if "asymptomatic transmission" is a thing?

**

It probably happens, but it's not respiratory. It's fecal-oral if anything.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Funeral homes do over wheeled they had ducks of bodies in uhauls with ice [ at August 03, 2021 02:16 PM (yK9py)

352 The entire lying Biden Junta can blow me.

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at August 03, 2021 02:16 PM (CJ5ek)

353 There is a Hill story about the coming social credit score coming to the US. And the majority of comments are along the lines of
Good, we need this to keep racist Republicans from spewing their hate.

We are in for some dark times ahead....

Posted by: Joe XiDen at August 03, 2021 02:16 PM (RCDSE)

354 Do we yet know if "asymptomatic transmission" is a thing?
Pretty sure the answer to this one is no.

The early claims of this came back to a "superspreader" who was taking cold medicine.

More to the point the elites seem big on using those portable thermometers before letting people interact with them, so I think we can have a high degree of confidence elevated temperature is universal in people that can spread it...

Posted by: 18-1 at August 03, 2021 02:16 PM (DpkTQ)

355 FFS...

"China: You are doubtless the epicenter of the largest, most deadly, worldwide manmade calamity ever unleashed upon the planet, killing millions, maiming millions more, and bringing economic misery upon us all! It is hereby adjudged that you shall not be able to host the Olympics a couple years from now. Be ye judged!"

Posted by: red speck at August 03, 2021 02:16 PM (gS3OW)

356
Now that there is zero risk that anyone will act on his suggestion, Ratcliff has lots of advice. Funny, that.
Posted by: Drc at August 03, 2021 02:15 PM (vbaSG)

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There was never any risk of that. This is just the usual crap. Sound and fury, signifying nothing.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 03, 2021 02:16 PM (JN3xP)

357 From what I gather, the vax fights the protein spikes the CCP added to the corona virus to make the virus transmissible between humans.

Is this the case?

Posted by: davidt at August 03, 2021 02:17 PM (F7Ght)

358 Gee, how weird that the vaccine doesn't stop the virus as if its not even a vaccine. Its almost like the vax is giving them covid or more susceptible for it. And the pre-excuse of well the vax made it easier and less severe is such self serving bullshit.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 03, 2021 02:17 PM (r+sAi)

359 Now, you do not even own your own body
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This is what I've been trying to tell people!!

Posted by: An Unwanted Baby at August 03, 2021 02:17 PM (T+lAA)

360 Tens of thousands of tax payers-paid respirators moldering in landfills across the nation.

Posted by: mrp at August 03, 2021 02:17 PM (Pqytn)

361 As long as hundreds of thousands are coming across the border, NONE OF THIS SHOULD BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY.

Posted by: Ziba at August 03, 2021 02:17 PM (S1hrL)

362 344 Exactly. This is largely untested new technology the big pharma wanted out there tested and pushed on people so they don't fear it so much any more.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 03, 2021 02:13 PM (KZzsI)

**

And there's no possible way it doesn't get immediate approval now that 150M+ Americans - including children - have put it in their bodies.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Funeral homes do over wheeled they had ducks of bodies in uhauls with ice [ at August 03, 2021 02:15 PM (yK9py)

Maybe now those vaccine commercials will be forced to mention side effects like every other drug commercial.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 03, 2021 02:17 PM (KbCG3)

363 And there's no possible way it doesn't get immediate approval now that 150M+ Americans - including children - have put it in their bodies.

Only way it gets blocked is if there are flipper babies, that is, horrible directly attributed side effects. Which... time will tell.

There's an awful lot of evidence that it seems to be very bad for pregnancies.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 03, 2021 02:17 PM (KZzsI)

364 What I find irritating is the conflation between terms - testing positive, infection, illness, hospitalization, and death. These are NOT the same thing. A surge of positive tests doesn't mean infection, and infections don't mean illness, and illness doesn't mean hospitalization or death.

This is exactly what the media has been doing since Day One--conflating all those things so that essentially, "cases= DEATH." And the drones who WATCH the news believe this.
No wonder they are scared to death.

Posted by: JoeF. at August 03, 2021 02:17 PM (mR6Gs)

365
Masks dont work for viruses or even water vapor

Im responsible foe PPE compliance when we do hazardous remediation on things like lead, asbestos, human remains clean up, etc for the the guys on my jobs.

Cloth mask are expressly prohibited in all instances except for minor air borne large particle pollutants like saw dust. For dangerous products like lead, asbestos, BIOHAZARD MATERIALS, the MINIMUM standard is cartridge respirators with HPA filtration.

The same government thats bans cloth mask use in construction is the same government that requires it for virus mitigation.

Posted by: fixerupper at August 03, 2021 02:17 PM (3RlYu)

366 From what I can tell, the Swedes did the right thing. Protect those at risk. Let the rest of the public get on with their lives. They get sick and recover, building real herd immunity.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at August 03, 2021 02:18 PM (5HBd1)

367 I saw a number of 90% vaccination rates among the over age 65 population, though I can't remember where. If that's true, the biggest at-risk group for serious complications from covid is over and done with. Sure, people will get the disease (the vaccines were never promised to be 100% effective, and the Israelis say mRNA vaccines decline rapidly in effectiveness) but they will be less likely to die.

Why this panic over Delta variant I cannot even guess. It's completely bizarre.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 03, 2021 02:18 PM (caMrg)

368 Bit of an update to the Cuomo saga - apparently the Albany DA has had an ongoing investigation into Party Tits and will be requesting the info that the NY AG revealed today.

https://tinyurl.com/ynys243k

Will anything happen to the Nursing Home Scourge? Probably not.

Posted by: Thrawn at August 03, 2021 02:18 PM (5aFbR)

369 Don't the Olympics cost the host nation far more than it benefits them?

"Oh, please Mistuh Radcliff! Don't thow me in da briar patch!"

Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at August 03, 2021 02:18 PM (OssQ4)

370 It's almost academic, given the catastrophic ethical and competence issues that have destroyed public health science and medicine in the last 1.5 years, but the actual data is largely a mess, too. Avoidably so, of course (part of the incompetence).

Misuse of the PCR test, as a mass screening test on asymptomatic people, with varying cycles of magnification, means ...... the data is junk. Unless one can de-f**k it, post-hoc (this is doable in some cases).

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at August 03, 2021 02:18 PM (OTzUX)

371 Can we just shoot Dr. Fauci into the sun now? I'm sure we can find a seat for Cuomo too.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at August 03, 2021 02:18 PM (bCkNL)

372 >> Don't know if he's in the thread, but Moron publius

Hello.

See this, Rhomboid, Geert Vanden Bossche explains what's happening nicely, and expertly:
https://tinyurl.com/244dy92a

Yes, these things should not be called a "vaccine" at this point, only a type of prophylactic to be evaluated on an individual case-by-case, risk-benefit way.

As Bossche explains, even with 100% coverage, this thing, being so leaky, won't get you herd immunity. At that point, any "public health" reason to mandate them is gone.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at August 03, 2021 02:19 PM (Mzdiz)

373 The only COVID source conclusion that matters to the Biden Junta is the one the DoD Intel Community gives to Biden at the conclusion of the 90-day study commissioned at the end of May.

That conclusion, and any recommended actions, will be whatever Ron Klain tells DoD they must be. Klain likely gave DoD the required conclusions at the start of the effort, so that the "evidence" and the report can be carefully assembled to totally support Klain's required conclusion. I cannot believe Klain will tell DoD Intel to conclude the bug came out of the Wuhan or any other Chinese Lab, intentionally or accidentally. Hopefully I am all wrong about this.

Posted by: Gref at August 03, 2021 02:19 PM (AMIL/)

374 Interesting that they're trying to get ahead of the narrative with "this was all a big mistake"

Good luck with that. And it also means that more's coming out. Not a moment too soon, for heaven's sake

Posted by: artemis at August 03, 2021 02:19 PM (AwPyG)

375 The same government thats bans cloth mask use in construction is the same government that requires it for virus mitigation.
Posted by: fixerupper at August 03, 2021 02:17 PM (3RlYu)

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Watching OSHA say "Yeah, 8+ hours of wearing masks made out of maxi-pads and old t-shirts are fine in the workplace" last year was terribly disturbing.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Funeral homes do over wheeled they had ducks of bodies in uhauls with ice [ at August 03, 2021 02:19 PM (yK9py)

376
From what I gather, the vax fights the protein spikes the CCP added to
the corona virus to make the virus transmissible between humans.

Pfizer and Moderna force your body to produce protein spikes similiar to Wu Flu. Your body recognizes these as invaders and learns to attack them. Moderna latter was working on something similiar as a cancer treatment for a few years before Wu Flu.


Posted by: 18-1 at August 03, 2021 02:19 PM (DpkTQ)

377
I wonder.

I bet if we did PCR testing at 50 cycles on children vaccinated for mumps measles and rubella, wed find a metric fuckton of viruses for those diseases.

Posted by: fixerupper at August 03, 2021 02:20 PM (3RlYu)

378 Staying away from anyone is probably the one thing that might be true.

And being in a crowd is not what I mean. I mean close and with little to no ventilation. An arena or other large event place would not necessarily be that bad. Trump did it for months before the election and we say very little jumps in infected.

It's closed in rooms and crowds. This is where I think it spreads the best. that will be interesting as the people who will survive will most likely be the secluded for what ever reason.

Posted by: jakee308 at August 03, 2021 02:20 PM (wb4G5)

379 335 Del Shannon > Del Taco > Del Tavariant
Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at August 03, 2021 02:13 PM (sJHOI)
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Going to Run away with that?

Posted by: Braenyard at August 03, 2021 02:20 PM (Jd8Rz)

380 And I'll say it again, we'll start seeing a LOT of asbestos-style lung cancers in the next decade or so from people wearing the crappy little disposable masks for 8 hours a day and weeks at a time.

Those things shed fiber like a mofo, and those fibers are now in lungs.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Funeral homes do over wheeled they had ducks of bodies in uhauls with ice [ at August 03, 2021 02:20 PM (yK9py)

381 342 343 The CDC is a nest of vipers. So are pharma companies.

Trusting their advice or statistics at this point is like relying on Count Dracula to protect you from vampire attacks.





Posted by: callsign claymore at August 03, 2021 02:20 PM (WMWGS)

382 374 Can we just shoot Dr. Fauci into the sun now? I'm sure we can find a seat for Cuomo too.
Posted by: Dr. Bone at August 03, 2021 02:18 PM (bCkNL)

Nuc him from orbit, its the only way to be sure...

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 03, 2021 02:20 PM (oHd/0)

383 This guy Homeland Security, Alejandro Mayorkas is a real cock sucker...where did he come from

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 03, 2021 02:20 PM (GPwVZ)

384 the blood test determines what you've had.

The swab tells what you have.

Posted by: jakee308 at August 03, 2021 02:21 PM (wb4G5)

385 Is this the case?

Posted by: davidt at August 03, 2021 02:17 PM (F7Ght)

No. Those "spikes" are common to all Corona viruses.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 03, 2021 02:21 PM (Q9lwr)

386
"Why this panic over Delta variant I cannot even guess. It's completely bizarre."

I've been saying I think this sudden ramp up has everything to do with the recall in early September

Posted by: artemis at August 03, 2021 02:21 PM (AwPyG)

387 310 The trend is up. Vax or not, it is all going back up. Serious cases.
Posted by: artisanal ette at August 03, 2021 02:03 PM (2o90I)

And I'll ask you. Where are you getting your information?

Posted by: Justsayin' at August 03, 2021 02:21 PM (Fs5vw)

388 Del Shannon > Del Taco > Del Tavariant
Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at August 03, 2021 02:13 PM


Delmonico > Del Shannon > Del Taco > Del Tavariant

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 03, 2021 02:21 PM (dkvcO)

389 Still at a loss here:

If the vaxxed can get the coof, then they can pass it on, yes?

So the promise of no masks for the vaxxed was a straight up lie, no?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 03, 2021 02:21 PM (vogZ4)

390 This would be different. This would potentially be war with Red China,
and with that country firing the first metaphorical (the virus) and
literal (retaliation against blockade or similar measure) shots. That
would be an existential war, with full mobilization and no room for
games or personal enrichment by playing both sides or elongating the
conflict. That kind of war - real, total existential war - is not on the
list of things they *ever* want. That's too chancy, too much can go
wrong and they might not come out on top.

Which doesn't change the fact that the war, or total surrender to the Chicoms, is inevitable.

Posted by: Methos at August 03, 2021 02:21 PM (kOpft)

391 IF ONLY DRUMPF HADN'T RUSHED THE VACCINE !

Posted by: ALL MEDIA TOMORROW at August 03, 2021 02:21 PM (dEaub)

392 "...the data is junk..."

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at August 03, 2021 02:18 PM (OTzUX)

Absolutely. Frigging. True.

Posted by: CZ = FNG To Remain Silent Because, FNG at August 03, 2021 02:21 PM (MkuC5)

393 I see no point in speculating about any of the facts hidden from us. Why? Nothing we are being told is truthful and that is the only thing we know for sure.

Posted by: Ziba at August 03, 2021 02:22 PM (S1hrL)

394 386
"Why this panic over Delta variant I cannot even guess. It's completely bizarre."

I've been saying I think this sudden ramp up has everything to do with the recall in early September
Posted by: artemis at August 03, 2021 02:21 PM (AwPyG)

They also keep highlighting Texas and Florida. Every headline talks about Texas and Florida. How...convenient.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 03, 2021 02:22 PM (KbCG3)

395 "This line of thinking falls apart for several reasons. Should a contagion emerge that is unquestionably deadly, and a subsequent vaccine emerge that is unquestionably effective, you'd get 100% vax rates."

Let's assume that tomorrow we had proof of a new strain that was unquestionably deadly, and proof that the current vaccine was unquestionably effective.

How long do you think it would take us to pivot from our current position of skepticism? A week?

Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at August 03, 2021 02:22 PM (49Exr)

396 "The same government thats bans cloth mask use in construction is the same government that requires it for virus mitigation." - fixerupper

Perfectly stated, fixerupper. And as I noted above, *NONE* of this is new, or unknown, or not exhaustively researched. Virus control from face coverings has been researched since just after WWII.

One of my favorites for dark sad comedy was when OSHA issued an emergency circular or whatever last year, during the big fires that were putting particulate air pollution into northwest urban areas. They warned that masks people were wearing for the virus would not protect them from the smoke/particulates ..... which are hundreds or thousands of times larger than what people were trying to filter with their stupid masks.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at August 03, 2021 02:22 PM (OTzUX)

397 So the promise of no masks for the vaxxed was a straight up lie, no?
You have to get the jab to find out what is in the jab

Posted by: Nazi Pelosi at August 03, 2021 02:22 PM (DpkTQ)

398 Nearly a certainty? Then we have made some headway. Time to destroy more evidence...

Posted by: The FBI at August 03, 2021 02:22 PM (Lt1JN)

399
Trusting their advice or statistics at this point is like relying on Count Dracula to protect you from vampire attacks.

Posted by: callsign claymore at August 03, 2021 02:20 PM (WMWGS)

Or Count Chocula to promote racial healing.

Posted by: ... at August 03, 2021 02:23 PM (T+lAA)

400 Which doesn't change the fact that the war, or total surrender to the Chicoms, is inevitable.
Posted by: Methos at August 03, 2021 02:21 PM (kOpft)
++++
Of course it doesn't. But they would prefer profitable surrender any day of the week.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 03, 2021 02:23 PM (3p5uk)

401 Delmonico > Del Shannon > Del Taco > Del Amitri > Del Tavariant
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 03, 2021 02:21 PM (dkvcO)

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 03, 2021 02:23 PM (JN3xP)

402 So the promise of no masks for the vaxxed was a straight up lie, no?
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 03, 2021 02:21 PM (vogZ4)


Yes. And the only "promise" you get now is that your chances of dying from the coof are reduced. And, now you'll need to get quarterly booster shots for the rest of your life to be "protected". Blinded by SCIENCE!

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at August 03, 2021 02:23 PM (wAnMi)

403 @377

Exactly.

It's just like someone here already noted: a complete breakdown of science and medicine

Posted by: artemis at August 03, 2021 02:23 PM (AwPyG)

404 Wanna bet lots of Chicom money went to BLM as part of the global, Get Trump/Tear America Apart program?

At this point Q Anon feels rather modest in its speculation.

Posted by: Zek at August 03, 2021 02:23 PM (dEaub)

405 Posted by: Moron Robbie - Funeral homes do over wheeled they had ducks of bodies in uhauls with ice [ at August 03, 2021 02:20 PM (yK9py)


So surgeons and operating room nurses, who wear those masks for their entire careers should have shown those "asbestos-style lung cancers" already.


But they haven't. Sorry.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 03, 2021 02:23 PM (Q9lwr)

406 Are we gonna take the cuomo name off the tapan zee bridge now?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 03, 2021 02:23 PM (GPwVZ)

407 This is all smoke and mirrors to distract us from audits.

Posted by: MAJ Obvious at August 03, 2021 02:24 PM (+GH2e)

408 Del Shannon > Del Taco > Del Tavariant
Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at August 03, 2021 02:13 PM (sJHOI)

Del Shofner > All Other Dels

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 03, 2021 02:24 PM (/1l9x)

409 If the vaxxed can get the coof, then they can pass it on, yes?

So the promise of no masks for the vaxxed was a straight up lie, no?
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 03, 2021 02:21 PM (vogZ4)
++++
It may have been a lie. It may also be that the vaccines don't work as well (or for as long) as hoped, and so they're going to fall back on the prior playbook for lack of other options. Those measures don't work, of course, but they're familiar and the machinery already exists.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 03, 2021 02:24 PM (3p5uk)

410 This guy Homeland Security, Alejandro Mayorkas is a real cock sucker...where did he come from

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 03, 2021 02:20 PM (GPwVZ)

============
Cuban secret agent

Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 03, 2021 02:24 PM (caMrg)

411 Let's assume that tomorrow we had proof of a new strain that was unquestionably deadly, and proof that the current vaccine was unquestionably effective.

How long do you think it would take us to pivot from our current position of skepticism? A week?
Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at August 03, 2021 02:22 PM (49Exr)

If it was an experimental vax against CERTAIN death, that's a no brainer.
If it's an experimental vax against a virus with a 98% survival rate?
Also a no brainer.

Posted by: JoeF. at August 03, 2021 02:25 PM (mR6Gs)

412 And, now you'll need to get quarterly booster shots for the rest of your life to be "protected".
And each jab comes with a chance of death.
Small? No doubt.

But...you need to know just how small compared to the .2% risk from Wu Flu before signing up for Pfizer Prime don't you?

Posted by: 18-1 at August 03, 2021 02:25 PM (DpkTQ)

413 NGU, not to worry! He was credibly suspected of corruptly selling visas in his prior DHS "service", as documented in an IG report.

This is why you have the GOP up in arms, loudly and publicly calling for investigations or his resignation, and their general righteous uproar over the veritable dissolution of immigration law (almost every aspect) in the last 6 months.

Ha! I really really crack myself up.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at August 03, 2021 02:25 PM (OTzUX)

414 Don't the Olympics cost the host nation far more than it benefits them?

Supposedly they make it up over time in tourism later. BUt its a prestige thing for soul-grinding dictators

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 03, 2021 02:25 PM (KZzsI)

415 "Are we gonna take the cuomo name off the tapan zee bridge now?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 03, 2021 02:23 PM (GPwVZ)"

Everybody I know here stills calls it the TZ Bridge.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 03, 2021 02:25 PM (sOXXq)

416 The panic is as usual bout money. CNN ratings plummeted without Trump. They need to stir up the and fear so Delta variant is it. We are all going to die again and you know who is to blame? Trump people. Tune in and learn more!!

Same with ever msm outlet.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at August 03, 2021 02:25 PM (RCDSE)

417 Biden must be in a real quandary. Wear the mask to be protected from covid, or don't wear it and you get a snack.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at August 03, 2021 02:25 PM (wAnMi)

418 > It's just like someone here already noted: a complete breakdown of science and medicine

Civilization too.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 03, 2021 02:25 PM (BFigT)

419 Keep in mind that they're not just letting Cuomo off the hook for the nursing home deaths.

There's also 5 other Democrat Governors who did the same thing and had the same deaths. (my count may be off)

PA, MI. RI, NY, CT, ? One other I think. New Jersey? I know everyone forgets RI.

Posted by: jakee308 at August 03, 2021 02:25 PM (wb4G5)

420 Staying away from anyone is probably the one thing that might be true.

I figure I'm not going to get it as long as I stay away from people with PCR kits.

Posted by: t-bird at August 03, 2021 02:25 PM (Lt1JN)

421 Ace is usually a fire bomber, and I sometimes appreciate that. Today's column is more nuanced than I am accustomed to seeing from him, and I appreciate that in this case. In fact, I agree with almost everything Ace says in this post.

Posted by: Ralph at August 03, 2021 02:25 PM (5FiEy)

422 @394

Because Texas and California are both very hot, right now.

And everyone knows that these types of viruses spread like crazy when it's hot

Posted by: artemis at August 03, 2021 02:25 PM (AwPyG)

423
This guy Homeland Security, Alejandro Mayorkas is a real cock sucker...where did he come from

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 03, 2021 02:20 PM (GPwVZ)

the wrong hole

Posted by: Alejandro's Mom at August 03, 2021 02:25 PM (JN3xP)

424 Every time I see some idiot thinking this is all about Trump I think about Phillipe Petain's radio addresses when he talked about how awful the Third Republic was and how perfidious Albion was.

All while the Germans were hauling away French to work in their factories and/or worse.

Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain, Chernyenko My Coat At The Cleaners at August 03, 2021 02:27 PM (Clxcy)

425 Let's assume that tomorrow we had proof of a new strain that was unquestionably deadly, and proof that the current vaccine was unquestionably effective.

How long do you think it would take us to pivot from our current position of skepticism? A week?
Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at August 03, 2021 02:22 PM (49Exr)

If it's real proof, whole city blocks being wiped out, people dying before our very eyes, our elites taking shelter and locking themselves down tight, my skepticism would be nil. Yes, that would take more than a week but by that point, nobody in their right mind would trust a vaccine.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 03, 2021 02:27 PM (KbCG3)

426 The Delta hysteria is nicely timed with re-opening of schools and the approaching midterms (so-called elections) and the border CRISIS. Anything to distract us, including the latest POC hero, Simone Biles.

Posted by: Ziba at August 03, 2021 02:27 PM (S1hrL)

427 But the world -- and the International Olympic Committee (IOC) -- should not allow Beijing to enjoy the benefits of hosting

Sure, like the IOC is going to give all those bribes back.

Posted by: t-bird at August 03, 2021 02:27 PM (Lt1JN)

428 I think it was known from the start that the mRNA treatments were non-sterilizing, that is, would not inhibit transmission of infection.

But my mind and language skills just about break at this point.

We're talking about re-instituting "mitigation" measures, none of which have any impact, were known to be useless and have just been confirmed to be useless by a gigantic global empirical test, because a "vaccine" that was known to be non-sterilizing turns out to be .... non-sterilizing.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at August 03, 2021 02:27 PM (OTzUX)

429 Took them long enough. Trump knew immediately, like a lot of us did.

Posted by: Ordinary American at August 03, 2021 02:28 PM (H8QX8)

430 "If it was an experimental vax against CERTAIN death, that's a no brainer."

Sure, but how long would it take us to come to that realization? We're not going to suddenly shift gears from not trusting CDC announcements to trusting them.

Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at August 03, 2021 02:28 PM (49Exr)

431 They could DIAF.

Posted by: DaveA at August 03, 2021 02:28 PM (FhXTo)

432 nuanced ace? whaaa?

You must be new, here

Posted by: artemis at August 03, 2021 02:29 PM (AwPyG)

433 Chinese coaching and cash for BLM? Makes perfect Sun Tsu sense to me.

Posted by: klaftern at August 03, 2021 02:29 PM (r4sI4)

434 But the world -- and the International Olympic Committee (IOC) -- should not allow Beijing to enjoy the benefits of hosting


No No No NO

Let them host them, or think they are hosting them, then pull them at the last minute and make them eat the costs. And anyway the olympics are finished, the left has killed them

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 03, 2021 02:29 PM (GPwVZ)

435 New Jersey governor Murphy may be the league leader in killing old people, even more than Cuomo I believe. He's lucky that he didn't kill Janice Dean's in-laws, as Cuomo did. She has been relentless, while Murphy is cruising to an easy re-election

Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 03, 2021 02:29 PM (caMrg)

436 Kurt Schlichter makes the same point in a recent column: Imagine If They Hadn't Lied to Us for 18 Months

====

This is an excellent thread on this very point...only he goes back further than 18 months.

https://tinyurl.com/yzekj9qo

Posted by: Tami at August 03, 2021 02:29 PM (cF8AT)

437 Eventually we need to factor this into the COVID panic equation:

CDC Alerts Labs to Use Tests That Can Differentiate Between COVID and Flu

Will there be a "flu season" in 2021? How many positive COVID tests in 2020 were in fact positive influenza tests?

https://tinyurl.com/3mvmc52d

Posted by: Gref at August 03, 2021 02:30 PM (AMIL/)

438 It's a nice excuse, because if you think people are boycotting the Tokyo Olympics, just wait until they're in China.

Posted by: artemis at August 03, 2021 02:30 PM (AwPyG)

439 Booster rockets >> booster seats >> booster shots

Posted by: Booster Poindexter at August 03, 2021 02:30 PM (+GH2e)

440 Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at August 03, 2021 02:27 PM (OTzUX)

We're about to repeat the same cycle of unscientific failure and disaster without the slightest bit of self-reflection.

Posted by: Ordinary American at August 03, 2021 02:30 PM (H8QX8)

441 We will be crawling on our bellies soon. Right where they want us.

Posted by: Ziba at August 03, 2021 02:30 PM (S1hrL)

442 Sure, but how long would it take us to come to that realization? We're
not going to suddenly shift gears from not trusting CDC announcements to
trusting them.

Take smallpox - it kills around 30% of the people with it.

If there was suddenly a new strain floating around I don't think the government would need to mitigate or demand anything since you'd see the deaths for yourself.

Wu Flu kills .2% and mostly the elderly and infirm.
That's part of the reason China gave us videos of people dropping dead in the streets.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 03, 2021 02:30 PM (DpkTQ)

443 Oh btw, they recalled the largest maker of the covid tests, because guess what, they don't fucking test for covid very well. How would anybody ever know what the real numbers are? But that won't stop the incessant fear mongering of a virus almost all people survive.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 03, 2021 02:30 PM (r+sAi)

444 Sure, but how long would it take us to come to that realization? We're not going to suddenly shift gears from not trusting CDC announcements to trusting them.
Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at August 03, 2021 02:28 PM (49Exr)
++++
Unassailable evidence would do the trick quite quickly, official proclamations notwithstanding. A truly very bad outbreak does things like kill people - people you know and have met - and that does get noticed and noticed quickly. This was never that bad. Most people don't know anyone dead of the 'Rona. Many many people have tested positive and never gotten sick - which adds to the credibility problem. Bad testing? Good natural immunity? Who knows - but the point remains that testing positive and not getting sick doesn't do wonders for convincing people it's a serious problem. False positives are bad for legitimacy.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 03, 2021 02:30 PM (3p5uk)

445
So china is getting the "winter" olympics in '22?
Where are they going to ski? Is china going to build a billion-chinaman mountain in Beijing and put snow on it?

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at August 03, 2021 02:31 PM (MlLUG)

446
Donf forget. We are HERE.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-
data/covidview/07302021/images/deaths_073021.jpg


remove the break

This weeks covid deaths directly from the CDC Website

Posted by: fixerupper at August 03, 2021 02:31 PM (3RlYu)

447 The teachers union has got to go. They're why Democrats are nutso on any number of subjects.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 03, 2021 02:31 PM (caMrg)

448 So surgeons and operating room nurses, who wear those masks for their entire careers should have shown those "asbestos-style lung cancers" already.


But they haven't. Sorry.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 03, 2021 02:23 PM (Q9lwr)


Thing is, they don't wear the masks for hours and hours. Plus, those long term masks are NIOSH certified, or they're the quick term operating room masks of high quality. We're not allowed to wear the NIOSH masks, because they have a ventilation flap, they don't filter what you exhale.

What the public are getting are boxes full of cheap-ass paper masks from china (questionably sourced), or wearing cloth masks made of anything from Dad's old shirt to Cheap, chinese fabric from questionable sources that were never meant to be used for anything other than fashion. People aren't washing and they're not replacing.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at August 03, 2021 02:31 PM (wAnMi)

449 "Let them host them, or think they are hosting them, then pull them at the last minute and make them eat the costs"

Can we forget to memo the Women's Soccer and Men's Basketball teams? And then have technical difficulties with their passports so they can't come back? If they hate America so much, let them have China.

Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at August 03, 2021 02:32 PM (49Exr)

450 Where are they going to ski? Is china going to build a billion-chinaman mountain in Beijing and put snow on it?
Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at August 03, 2021 02:31 PM (MlLUG)

Afghanistan.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 03, 2021 02:32 PM (/1l9x)

451 Sure, but how long would it take us to come to that realization? We're not going to suddenly shift gears from not trusting CDC announcements to trusting them.
Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at August 03, 2021 02:28 PM (49Exr)

In this scenario, you wouldn't need to trust the CDC. All the things they said about Covid (piles of bodies, hospitals overrun) would be happening and visible.

This is the point. The covid hysteria is based around a group of people telling you to stop believing what you're seeing.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 03, 2021 02:32 PM (KbCG3)

452 Sum Ting Wong

Posted by: Wuhan HVAC Repair at August 03, 2021 02:32 PM (v0R5T)

453
Hear Me Now, Believe Me Later:

You will have the option to "purchase" "social credit" points to raise your score (and atone). Believe me on this.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at August 03, 2021 02:32 PM (MlLUG)

454 Yeah. The hazard from the masks is not fibers. The hazard is that you are rebreathing germs, You are not filtering anything smaller than a bacteria out. And it's the strain on the lungs that is the hazard.

And surgeons and nurses don't wear the same mask all day nor do they wear them for very long. In the Operating room they have a nurse who's there just to keep things sterile and swap out stuff as it gets used so it's not reused and that includes masks and gloves and other tools. If it's a long operation they will have a team for each part of the operation and/or a "buddy" that they swap out with so they can get a break as no one can do that for hours and remain in top shape.

So No. No lung problems from particles. Maybe from some other syndrome from the restriction of the air using a mask.

Posted by: jakee308 at August 03, 2021 02:32 PM (wb4G5)

455 Pfizer and Moderna force your body to produce protein spikes similiar to
Wu Flu. Your body recognizes these as invaders and learns to attack
them.

Isn't attacking something your body produces an auto immune disorder?

Posted by: Methos at August 03, 2021 02:33 PM (kOpft)

456 Daily Caller
@DailyCaller
.
32m
America's Tamyra Mensah-Stock won gold at Tokyo in wrestling:

"I love representing the US. I freakin love living there. I love it and I'm so happy I get to represent U.S.A!"

Black woman. Best in the world at what she does. Won a gold.

But she loves America so she'll never be famous. The whole Woke Athlete thing is nothing but a grift for failures.

Posted by: 29Victor at August 03, 2021 02:33 PM (BJKQV)

457 Weird, they are not really saying if the stabber/murderer at the Metro outside the Pentagon is on the run or in custody or dead? Why the secret?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 03, 2021 02:33 PM (GPwVZ)

458 Now I'm wondering if John Ratcliffe can expedite my federal tax return. C'mon man!

Posted by: Dr. Bone at August 03, 2021 02:34 PM (bCkNL)

459 "made of anything from Dad's old shirt to Cheap, chinese fabric from questionable sources that were never meant to be used for anything other than fashion. People aren't washing and they're not replacing."

Concur. Our masks are made of cheap cloth, we don't bother to wash them. They stay in the glove compartment so we can abide by the mask theater in Maryland.

Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at August 03, 2021 02:34 PM (49Exr)

460 445

China has a bunch of ski resorts already.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at August 03, 2021 02:34 PM (RCDSE)

461 456 Black woman. Best in the world at what she does. Won a gold.

But she loves America so she'll never be famous. The whole Woke Athlete thing is nothing but a grift for failures.
Posted by: 29Victor at August 03, 2021 02:33 PM (BJKQV)

========

I wonder if the organization that figures out American representation at the Olympics is filled with people who prefer wokeness over ability.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, hunting lycans with Kate Beckinsale at August 03, 2021 02:34 PM (LvTSG)

462 So china is getting the "winter" olympics in '22?
.......

Maybe that'll shut the trannies and BLM up.

Posted by: wth at August 03, 2021 02:34 PM (v0R5T)

463 Did anyone ever check funeral homes and cemeteries for an uptick in funerals and burials? Shouldn't cemeteries in the hardest hit areas have a lot of new grave sites? No journalist ever pursued this, as far as I know. Or did NYC throw the bodies in the East River?

Posted by: Ziba at August 03, 2021 02:35 PM (S1hrL)

464 This is an excellent thread on this very point...only he goes back further than 18 months.



https://tinyurl.com/yzekj9qo





Posted by: Tami at August 03, 2021 02:29 PM (cF8AT)

=========== I like that he proves it was the lefties who first lost all faith in experts and institutions. Nowadays all you hear are the "Trumpists have no faith in our experts and institutions!"
Such BS.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 03, 2021 02:35 PM (caMrg)

465 And here we go......

My company sent out a communication today that unvaccinated MUST wear masks in offices and vaccinated can go without, but must provide proof of vaccination.

Looks like I won't be going to the office anytime soon. Luckily, I don't have to.

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at August 03, 2021 02:35 PM (Zz0t1)

466 Has any country in the history of the Olympics had participants trashing their own countries?

Posted by: ... at August 03, 2021 02:36 PM (T+lAA)

467 Again, it's time to shovel the corpses off the porch. With all this death, we should be running low on humans PDQ.

Posted by: klaftern at August 03, 2021 02:36 PM (r4sI4)

468 I am a tad obsessed with just how utterly horrible the communications about the vaccines have been and I did a twitter rant the other day about how people, by which I mean politicians and the press and the CDC, were using effective and eliminate interchangeably and without noting so.

As ace set forth, if you paid attention, the claim was never that the vaccine would eliminate 100% of the risk. But you'd have to pay attention closely. The public commentary was AND STILL FREAKING IS that if you get the vaccine, you will not get infected. It doesn't matter that the rate of breakthrough infection is still way way way below 1%. That it happens at all makes people distrust, as it is rational that they will, the claims by those shrilly demanding everyone get vaccinated.

Or, in brief, people should listen to me because I'm Better.

Posted by: alexthechick at August 03, 2021 02:36 PM (mf5HN)

469
I've paid no attention. Is China still buying the medal count from the IOC? Because that started abruptly and obviously last time it was in Beijing, and that's when I quit watching.

If a sport can't even be bothered to hide the rigging, who cares? Like, at all?

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 03, 2021 02:37 PM (JN3xP)

470 It's okay, the Chi-Coms will have the 2022 Winter Olympics in balmy Taiwan anyway...I mean, formally renegade province Taiwan.

Posted by: Thrawn at August 03, 2021 02:37 PM (5aFbR)

471 Nowadays all you hear are the "Trumpists have no faith in our experts and institutions!"
Such BS.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 03, 2021 02:35 PM (caMrg)
++++
What have our experts and institutions done to earn our trust?

More to the point, what have our experts and institutions done that doesn't degrade our trust?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 03, 2021 02:37 PM (3p5uk)

472 Thing is, they don't wear the masks for hours and
hours. Plus, those long term masks are NIOSH certified, or they're the
quick term operating room masks of high quality. We're not allowed to
wear the NIOSH masks, because they have a ventilation flap, they don't
filter what you exhale.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at August 03, 2021 02:31 PM (wAnMi)

Of course they do. And they wear the masks to prevent contamination of the surgical field, so of course their masks don't have flaps that allow just that.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 03, 2021 02:37 PM (Q9lwr)

473 If it's real proof, whole city blocks being wiped out, people dying before our very eyes, our elites taking shelter and locking themselves down tight, my skepticism would be nil.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer


THIS.

No Texas Fleebaggers. No 600 person super spreader Birthday Party for Obama. No Governors running to vacay or visit parents.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 03, 2021 02:38 PM (TUUTu)

474 "In this scenario, you wouldn't need to trust the CDC. All the things they said about Covid (piles of bodies, hospitals overrun) would be happening and visible."

The gov could simply tell the media not to show that, out of concern for a "panic" threat to public safety.

My point is that there would be a lag between when the real thing hit us, and when we believed it was the real thing. Maybe a week, maybe less. But long enough for millions to be infected, and most of those would trend "deplorable skeptics".

Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at August 03, 2021 02:38 PM (49Exr)

475
Soon it'll be Democrat voters can park at the office building, but no parking spaces for Republican voters, and you must provide proof you voted for a Democrat.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at August 03, 2021 02:38 PM (MlLUG)

476 Rehab time?

@JackPosobiec 34m

BREAKING: Entire NY Democratic congressional delegation now calling for Cuomo's resignation

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 03, 2021 02:38 PM (vogZ4)

477 I wonder if the organization that figures out American representation at the Olympics is filled with people who prefer wokeness over ability.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, hunting lycans with Kate Beckinsale at August 03, 2021 02:34 PM (LvTSG)

Smart dictatorships promote failures to positions of power. They become competely dependent on you to maintain their elevated lifestyle.

Posted by: 29Victor at August 03, 2021 02:38 PM (BJKQV)

478 "I think it was known from the start that the mRNA treatments were non-sterilizing, that is, would not inhibit transmission of infection."

so everbody jabbed is there own little gain of function lab.

Posted by: DaveA at August 03, 2021 02:38 PM (FhXTo)

479 Meanwhile spouse is faced with getting the vax or giving up his position. Happening across the country as planned. Feds didn't have to issue mandates, private enterprise did it for them.

Posted by: Ziba at August 03, 2021 02:38 PM (S1hrL)

480

So surgeons and operating room nurses, who wear those masks for their entire careers should have shown those "asbestos-style lung cancers" already.


But they haven't. Sorry.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 03, 2021 02:23 PM (Q9lwr)

**

You're saying surgeons and operating room nurses wear disposable, single-use masks repeatedly for 8+ hours a day for their entire careers?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Funeral homes do over wheeled they had ducks of bodies in uhauls with ice [ at August 03, 2021 02:38 PM (yK9py)

481 Don't look too closely at efficacy of masks used in surgical settings for efficacy in terms of their actual purpose (which isn't virus control).

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at August 03, 2021 02:39 PM (OTzUX)

482 476 Rehab time?

@JackPosobiec 34m

BREAKING: Entire NY Democratic congressional delegation now calling for Cuomo's resignation
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 03, 2021 02:38 PM (vogZ4)

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I remember when VA Democrats did the same thing to Governor Northam.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, hunting lycans with Kate Beckinsale at August 03, 2021 02:39 PM (LvTSG)

483 My company sent out a communication today that unvaccinated MUST wear masks in offices and vaccinated can go without, but must provide proof of vaccination.

Looks like I won't be going to the office anytime soon. Luckily, I don't have to.
Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at August 03, 2021 02:35 PM (Zz0t1)


I'm waiting for them to do that here. Since I sit in my own office in the back corner of our department, they can blow me.

Posted by: Jordan61 at August 03, 2021 02:39 PM (Q3ZwH)

484 Raise your hand if you think Cuomo resigns.

Posted by: Ziba at August 03, 2021 02:40 PM (S1hrL)

485 I'd be shocked if a doctor or operating room nurse was allowed to re-use a single mask once it was removed, much less the same one in the operating room for weeks at a time, 8+ hours a day.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Funeral homes do over wheeled they had ducks of bodies in uhauls with ice [ at August 03, 2021 02:40 PM (yK9py)

486 Raise your hand if you think Cuomo resigns.
Posted by: Ziba at August 03, 2021 02:40 PM (S1hrL)

Not a chance in hell.

Posted by: ... at August 03, 2021 02:40 PM (T+lAA)

487 333 Del Shannon > Del Taco > Del Tavariant
Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at August 03, 2021 02:13 PM (sJHOI)

Del Orean > Del Shannon > Del Taco > Del Tavariant

Posted by: reason at August 03, 2021 02:40 PM (ePZfA)

488 Rehab time?

@JackPosobiec 34m

BREAKING: Entire NY Democratic congressional delegation now calling for Cuomo's resignation
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 03, 2021 02:38 PM (vogZ4)
.........

Rehab? Will they have horsies?

Posted by: wth at August 03, 2021 02:40 PM (v0R5T)

489 I'm waiting for them to do that here. Since I sit in my own office in the back corner of our department, they can blow me.
Posted by: Jordan61 at August 03, 2021 02:39 PM (Q3ZwH)

What if they come for your stapler?

Posted by: 29Victor at August 03, 2021 02:40 PM (BJKQV)

490
This is the point. The covid hysteria is based around a group of people telling you to stop believing what you're seeing.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 03, 2021 02:32 PM (KbCG3)

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The original Imperial College "study" predicted 2 million dead Amercans wirh masks and social distancing factored in. This is the study that set everyone's hair on fire.

The number of standadard deviations from predicted outcomes to observed results had a P value approaching the constant of absurdity.

Thats statistic for "they were making shit up".

Posted by: fixerupper at August 03, 2021 02:41 PM (3RlYu)

491 Sure, but how long would it take us to come to that realization? We're
not going to suddenly shift gears from not trusting CDC announcements to
trusting them.
There's no reason to ever go back to trusting the CDC. There are however, plenty of people here who will read the studies as they're published rather than wait for a press release.

Posted by: Methos at August 03, 2021 02:41 PM (kOpft)

492 So No. No lung problems from particles. Maybe from some other syndrome from the restriction of the air using a mask.
Posted by: jakee308 at August 03, 2021 02:32 PM (wb4G5)


Yep, I'd say the problem is mildew (especially in some areas), bacteria and a general lack of oxygen, especially with some cloth masks. As far as some of the cheap woven paper masks from china, I'm not so sure about particulate matter not being an issue - especially if people keep reusing them. Which they do.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at August 03, 2021 02:41 PM (wAnMi)

493 489 I'm waiting for them to do that here. Since I sit in my own office in the back corner of our department, they can blow me.
Posted by: Jordan61 at August 03, 2021 02:39 PM (Q3ZwH)

What if they come for your stapler?
Posted by: 29Victor at August 03, 2021 02:40 PM (BJKQV)

========

Burn the place down.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, hunting lycans with Kate Beckinsale at August 03, 2021 02:41 PM (LvTSG)

494 Del Tadawn

Posted by: klaftern at August 03, 2021 02:41 PM (r4sI4)

495 Maybe China DID tell the US, and Fauci et al. said, nah, we got this.

Posted by: m at August 03, 2021 02:41 PM (rk2/G)

496 Typically, I would love to see nuance and thoughtful discussion. It's the way things should be done. But after living through 18 months of the biggest gaslighting/immolation of credibility of just about every public institution in American life, I feel like I can't concede an inch to their narrative. Too many on our side are far too trusting of the official narrative and willing to give them way too much benefit of the doubt.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at August 03, 2021 02:42 PM (DXFDM)

497
lol @ cuomo

Hey, look, the "lt gov" in NY has vagina! And she's probably a Soros devotee.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at August 03, 2021 02:42 PM (MlLUG)

498 BREAKING: Entire NY Democratic congressional delegation now calling for Cuomo's resignation

Elections must be coming up.

Posted by: t-bird at August 03, 2021 02:42 PM (z36Kd)

499 Yeah. The hazard from the masks is not fibers

**

Not traditionally, because people weren't wearing and re-wearing single-use disposable masks for 8+ hours a day every day, day after day, for weeks.

That was my point. I suspect many people will learn from this, and it's going to be in a bad way.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Funeral homes do over wheeled they had ducks of bodies in uhauls with ice [ at August 03, 2021 02:42 PM (yK9py)

500 I'm waiting for them to do that here. Since I sit in my own office in the back corner of our department, they can blow me.
Posted by: J


could you describe the mechanics of that?

Posted by: confederatefifth at August 03, 2021 02:42 PM (8tNUK)

501
First girl dyke fascist governor of New York! (besides Franklin Roosevelt) Historic, everyone!!

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at August 03, 2021 02:43 PM (MlLUG)

502 And here we go......

My company sent out a communication today that unvaccinated MUST wear masks in offices and vaccinated can go without, but must provide proof of vaccination.

Looks like I won't be going to the office anytime soon. Luckily, I don't have to.
Posted by: Sponge


Rubber stamp a barcode on your forehead. When they ask what's that, tell them vaccine proof.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 03, 2021 02:43 PM (TUUTu)

503 What if they come for your stapler?
Posted by: 29Victor at August 03, 2021 02:40 PM (BJKQV)

========

Burn the place down.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, hunting lycans with Kate Beckinsale at August 03, 2021 02:41 PM (LvTSG)


LOL, no bullshit, my stapler is a red Swingline.

Posted by: Jordan61 at August 03, 2021 02:43 PM (Ez6QX)

504 NOOD Quick shits.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at August 03, 2021 02:43 PM (wAnMi)

505 Couple quick things. First, the chinaflu was intentional. Second, it was an inside job to get rid of my President. In your hearts you know it's true.

Posted by: Eromero at August 03, 2021 02:43 PM (0OP+5)

506 DaveA, as I said above I gave up on it all long before vaccines became an active empirical issue, but I think there is no consensus among the truly expert about whether these preventative/therapeutics ("vaccines") run the risk of ADE, or breeding a better virus. It's known to be a risk of immunization, but the whole mRNA mechanism may not in fact have that risk. Guess we'll see (well, maybe - lysenkoization of "science" is so advanced that normal expectations from a lifetime must now be discarded or considered, at best, provisional).

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at August 03, 2021 02:43 PM (OTzUX)

507 Del Orean > Del Shannon > Del Taco > Del Tavariant
Posted by: reason at August 03, 2021 02:40 PM (ePZfA)

***

Del Icatessan > Del Tadawn > Del Orean > Del Taco > Del Tavariant

Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at August 03, 2021 02:43 PM (flINI)

508 Nood.

Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at August 03, 2021 02:43 PM (khAeP)

509

nooodd

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at August 03, 2021 02:44 PM (MlLUG)

510 Breaking; Current Local 342 Steamfitter JROD is 100% Fucking Certain China Created This Bullshit Virus

Top that shit John Ratcliffe!

Posted by: JROD at August 03, 2021 02:44 PM (0jZnq)

511 So china is getting the "winter" olympics in '22?
Where are they going to ski? Is china going to build a billion-chinaman mountain in Beijing and put snow on it?
Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at August 03, 2021 02:31 PM (MlLUG)

China was awarded the Olympics for 22 about ten years ago. Countries compete to be awarded the Olympics years and years out as they need to build the incredible amounts of infrastructure needed to house all the venues, athletes, etc. Which end up not being used eventually or repurposed.

Posted by: Jen the original at August 03, 2021 02:44 PM (Iow8q)

512 You're saying surgeons and operating room nurses wear disposable, single-use masks repeatedly for 8+ hours a day for their entire careers?

**

CBD?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Funeral homes do over wheeled they had ducks of bodies in uhauls with ice [/i at August 03, 2021 02:44 PM (yK9py)

513 In what way were US labs collaborating with the Chinese? One of the scientists brought this up at the Covid Origins hearing, but his remark fell on deaf ears. Wonder when he was last seen.

Posted by: Ziba at August 03, 2021 02:44 PM (S1hrL)

514 The number of standadard deviations from predicted outcomes to observed results had a P value approaching the constant of absurdity.

Thats statistic for "they were making shit up".
Posted by: fixerupper

...

Oh you bring up P Values with no trigger warning? Thanks a lot pal. I'll be sending you the bill from my therapist.

Posted by: TexasDan at August 03, 2021 02:44 PM (Gx5gc)

515 Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 03, 2021 02:37 PM (3p5uk)

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You're asking the wrong guy. My point never was our betters deserve our trust, it was that the degradation of trust is on both sides of the political aisle, and lefties went down that rabbit hole first.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 03, 2021 02:44 PM (caMrg)

516 You're saying surgeons and operating room nurses wear disposable, single-use masks repeatedly for 8+ hours a day for their entire careers?


Posted by: Moron Robbie - Funeral homes do over wheeled they had ducks of bodies in uhauls with ice [ at August 03, 2021 02:38 PM (yK9py)


What the hell are you talking about? You said that masks shed fibers and there should be an uptick of "asbestos-like lung cancers." I said there won't be because we have a a large number of people who have been wearing masks for a very long time and there is no data that show what you are claiming. I said nothing about using the same masks over and over.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 03, 2021 02:45 PM (Q9lwr)

517 >I am a tad obsessed with just how utterly horrible the communications about the vaccines have been and I did a twitter rant the other day about how people, by which I mean politicians and the press and the CDC, were using effective and eliminate interchangeably and without noting so.

Posted by: alexthechick at August 03, 2021 02:36 PM (mf5HN)

I was just recalling if my mind imagined that they said from the beginning that the vax would not stop people from getting nor spreading the Chinese lung rot (which I know know means a vax is leaky/non-sterilizing). I remember those caveats from the beginning, but then they ran a campaign that sometimes outright lied about that or just strongly implied it would stop the coof by using the finest legal torture of English.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at August 03, 2021 02:45 PM (DXFDM)

518 My bet? AOC runs for governor of NY.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 03, 2021 02:45 PM (caMrg)

519 Here is how far I think we have dropped. If there wasn't a covid virus they could easily convince a majority of the population there was. Fake tests, calling almost all deaths covid, jiggered data, media fear mongering would easily do it, and this scares me more than a virus.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 03, 2021 02:45 PM (r+sAi)

520 Del Icious > Del Icatessan > Del Tadawn > Del Orean > Del Taco > Del Tavariant

Posted by: wth at August 03, 2021 02:46 PM (v0R5T)

521 In 20 min Punchy is giving some address about Covid - hmmm.

He could suggest some demented lock down...but I wonder. They need Newsome to squeak it out in CA and he's beginning to bleed out from Blacks and Hispanics like the Titantic dumped robber barons into the North Atlantic.

The lock downs are killing off Dems with minorities - I think he may just try to walk this suicide mission back. But, I have lost just about every bet I'm made thinking that at some point the Dems would at least try to act like mature adults....but I think announcing some national demand for lock downs would finish the Dems for a long long time...certainly in every local election coming up.

Posted by: Boswell at August 03, 2021 02:46 PM (5iUNf)

522 My company sent out a communication today that unvaccinated MUST wear masks in offices and vaccinated can go without, but must provide proof of vaccination.

Looks like I won't be going to the office anytime soon. Luckily, I don't have to.
Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at August 03, 2021 02:35 PM (Zz0t1)
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In June, our office complex went to "fully vaxxed can unmask only," but without the "prove your status" bit. Separately there was a wink-wink-voluntary survey to self-attest your status. One of the options was "decline to say."

Just this week, new orders are now back to "everyone must mask regardless of status." This was communicated to everyone via email, in which the EVP scolded everyone about how disappointed he was to see such a high discrepancy between "number of employees observed to be unmasked" versus the number of people who self-attested to be fully vaccinated.

Basically, shame on you all for either lying and taking your mask off AND/OR for ignoring the survey.

Posted by: reason at August 03, 2021 02:46 PM (ePZfA)

523
I'm waiting for them to do that here. Since I sit in my own office in the back corner of our department, they can blow me.
Posted by: Jordan61 at August 03, 2021 02:39 PM (Q3ZwH)


That's hot.

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at August 03, 2021 02:46 PM (Zz0t1)

524 These "breakthroughs" are not measured the same way as the vaccine trials. The trials required clinical symptoms in order to be counted as a positive. The ones in the news only require a PCR positive. So we're comparing apples and oranges. Just what you would do to muddy the waters.

Posted by: InCali at August 03, 2021 02:46 PM (xqZSm)

525 AOC runs for governor of NY.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 03, 2021 02:45 PM (caMrg)

That would be marvelous!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 03, 2021 02:47 PM (Q9lwr)

526 >>>Meanwhile spouse is faced with getting the vax or giving up his
position. Happening across the country as planned. Feds didn't have to
issue mandates, private enterprise did it for them.<
>Meanwhile, our elites think they can import highly-skilled labor from Guatemala, - people who have obviously spent many years and dollars learning a trade at the Guatemala University, and pay them a dirt wage. There goes you Biden economy.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at August 03, 2021 02:47 PM (bCkNL)

527 nood for Centerville

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at August 03, 2021 02:47 PM (UHVv4)

528 What the hell are you talking about? You said that masks shed fibers and there should be an uptick of "asbestos-like lung cancers." I said there won't be because we have a a large number of people who have been wearing masks for a very long time and there is no data that show what you are claiming. I said nothing about using the same masks over and over.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 03, 2021 02:45 PM (Q9lwr)


Here's my post you were against:

"And I'll say it again, we'll start seeing a LOT of asbestos-style lung cancers in the next decade or so from people wearing the crappy little disposable masks for 8 hours a day and weeks at a time.

Those things shed fiber like a mofo, and those fibers are now in lungs."

The bolded part was my point. I was puzzled at what was controversial about it, especially since we apparently agree.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Funeral homes do over wheeled they had ducks of bodies in uhauls with ice [/i at August 03, 2021 02:48 PM (yK9py)

529 519 Here is how far I think we have dropped. If there wasn't a covid virus they could easily convince a majority of the population there was. Fake tests, calling almost all deaths covid, jiggered data, media fear mongering would easily do it, and this scares me more than a virus.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 03, 2021 02:45 PM (r+sAi)

Didn't HG Wells try something like that and it worked?

Posted by: Ziba at August 03, 2021 02:48 PM (S1hrL)

530 Doing research that leads to the production of a WMD is a capital crime. I wonder if Dr Fauci and his "gain of function" friends are aware of that?

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at August 03, 2021 02:52 PM (CJ5ek)

531 Meanwhile, our elites think they can import highly-skilled labor from Guatemala, - people who have obviously spent many years and dollars learning a trade at the Guatemala University, and pay them a dirt wage. There goes you Biden economy


all part of the plan buttercup.

middle class is dead.

elites have slaves.

it's all good.

Posted by: Unrepentant Cynic at August 03, 2021 02:52 PM (tjZg/)

532 \I live in NYC

Posted by: Kurt at August 03, 2021 01:41 PM (GuriP)


Much is explained, Dunce. Much is explained.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 03, 2021 03:11 PM (yQpMk)

533 So when will we stop saying the vaccine is 90% effective. How many FULLY vaccinated people does it take that get the virus to say. Yeah, the vaccine is bullshit, and my natural immune system provides more effective and longer protection. Just sayin. Even though I'm like a lotta years on the far side of 29.

Posted by: Super Straight White Privileger at August 03, 2021 03:14 PM (l5R6/)

534 >>I saw a number of 90% vaccination rates among the over age 65 population, though I can't remember where. If that's true, the biggest at-risk group for serious complications from covid is over and done with. Sure, people will get the disease (the vaccines were never promised to be 100% effective, and the Israelis say mRNA vaccines decline rapidly in effectiveness) but they will be less likely to die.

Why this panic over Delta variant I cannot even guess. It's completely bizarre.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 03, 2021 02:18 PM


It would be over and done with IF the vax had long-term efficacy. But apparently it only lasts 3-6 months. So the seniors who got vaxxed early this year are now vulnerable again.

Posted by: Bigsmith at August 03, 2021 03:15 PM (G/mW5)

535 Confucious looked at this flurry of Chinese contracting activity around the Wuhan laboratory and said, "Sum Ting Wong Here".

Posted by: GlendaleGreybeard at August 03, 2021 05:33 PM (cn6vO)

536 We all know what happened at the WuFlu lab and who funded it. The Biden administration is covering it up with the help of the Marxist corporate media.

Posted by: FatAlbert at August 03, 2021 06:44 PM (UKIS9)

537 There is another possibility in regards to Dr. Benson catching COVID, although I admit it's a miniscule one. He could have caught it from the vaccine itself. If he has Variant D though, that should be impossible since the vaccines were based on the original strain.

Posted by: Harvey Hohmann at August 03, 2021 08:01 PM (y8Viz)

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