Gun Thread: Post NoVaMoMe Discussion and Analysis Edition!

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Howdy, Ya'll! Welcome to the wondrously fabulous Gun Thread! As always, I want to thank all of our regulars for being here week in and week out, and also give a bigly welcome to any newcomers who may be joining us tonight. Howdy and thank you for stopping by! I hope you find our conversation on the subject of guns 'n shooting both enjoyable and informative. You are always welcome to lurk in the shadows of shame, but I'd like to invite you to jump into the conversation, say howdy, and tell us what kind of shooting you like to do!

So! Another NoVaMoMe is in the record books. Oh, we laughed, we cried, we put out fires and we raised bail money. A rip-roarin' good time was had by all, I think! I would like to invite those who attended to share their experiences here tonight, without disclosing the location please, in the hopes it will encourage others to join us next year! I want give thanks to the greatest co-host in the history of the universe, bluebell, for being such a good friend and for doing all of the work. She's the best!

With that, let's get the the gun stuff below, shall we?

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Correction
First, allow me to correct something I wrote last week regarding the size of the NRA Board.

I personally think the board, at 25 members, is too large and creates too much opportunity for factions to develop among the members.

Well I had that number wrong! I thought it seemed too low based on what I recalled, but honestly just didn't check. Fortunately, our pal iron308 came to the rescue!

The NRA BoD has 75 members, 25 of which are elected each year.
Posted by: iron308 at July 18, 2021 07:59 PM (6D9ZD)

Well if 25 is too many, then 75 is approximately three times too many! Thanks iron308!

Follow-up
We've had a great discussion the last two weeks on what to say and do after being involved in a self-defense shooting. Here's a short video featuring Massad Ayoub, a recognized expert on the subject.

Looks like Mr. Ayoub validates many of the same steps we were discussing, and I also received a great suggestion by email from our pal pmacb

One item to add to the post defensive shooting "to do" list is ask for an ambulance and a ride to the nearest hospital.

Here's my rationale. You've just gone from 0-100 in the blink of an eye and done something that, while legally justified, has some social and legal risks to it. Your adrenaline is going to be surging and you may even be hurt without noticing it. Give the responding cops a one sentence statement like, "he/she/it/xe/xhe threatened my life and I was forced to protect myself";, then say "I don't feel so good, I need to go to the hospital".

Officer Snuffy does not want another casualty in his crime scene (especially the prime witness) so you're going to get EMS care and a ride to the ER ASAP. Get your heart rate and blood pressure checked and then let the ER nurses run interference for you. Use that time and privacy to 1) get your head together, 2) call your loved ones and tell them you're okay, and 3) call your attorney. After all that, with your attorney either present or on the phone, talk to the cops (maybe).

I'm recently retired from 30+ years of policing, including 15 years in command ranks. This is basically the advice we had built into our policy for officer involved shootings. It protects the health of the good guy while getting the police a coherent statement of what happened in a fairly timely fashion.

I think this is an excellent suggestion! Thank you very much pmacb, and welcome to the Gun Thread!

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Next we have a sort of related topic, what steps to take during a traffic stop when you are carrying concealed or otherwise.

I'm certain we'll have two camps on whether or not to disclose you're armed when interacting with the police. Keep in mind, informing the police is a requirement in many states. I have my thoughts on the matter, but what are yours?

And as long as we're talking about guns and cars, how about a video on traveling with your firearm?

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What's the ammo situation where you are?

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By popular demand, we have a short video of WeaselDog and Fun Size Joe greeting your 'ol pal Weasel when I come home from work. Where else can you find such enthusiasm for simply showing up?

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Danger! Math!

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I am a big believer in taking measurements and recording observations at the range. Here's an article from Load Data on making sense of the data you collect. Carefully taken measurements of muzzle velocity, for example, can go a long way in accurizing a load.

Anyone else doing this?

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Here's a good article on ammunition over-penetration from Pew Pew Tactical.

It's an important topic whether you're shooting inside the house, or outside. [h/t redc1c4]

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Our pal Dr. Fred send in a pic of a friend's firearm.

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Ever heard of a Vulcan Repeating Pistol? Chambered in 44-40, the inventor was apparently a partner of Henry, the maker of rifles.

I had not heard of it before now, but it looks familiar for some reason. Thanks Dr. Fred! Anyone else familiar with this firearm?

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NoVaMoMe 2021!!

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The social and cultural event of the season, NoVaMoMe 2021 went off without a hitch yesterday afternoon and into the evening. The weather cooperated bigly, and mostly everyone who said they would make it, did. We are in the process of arranging bail for the last few revelers and I am happy to report the rescue squad only had to respond once. By any measure, it was a huge success! Please take an opportunity to share your thoughts on your NoVaMoMe experience here tonight. One reminder though; please do not disclose or otherwise make reference to this year's venue! It worked so well, we'd like to use the same place again and will not be able to do so if everyone blabs about where it was. Thank you for understanding, and with that, let's get to the nitty-gritty.

First up, the thank yous!

There is no way we could have done it without you all, so Thank You if you were were able to attend. We're still sorting things out, but I can happily report we were able to add a chunk of change to the bank account for our charities, Toys-for-Tots and Fisher House.

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Valuable Prizes on Table

Next, a few of you went way above and beyond with contributions to the event. I am almost certain to miss a few, so my apologies in advance if I do. Please speak up in the comments if I have missed anyone. Anyhoo, a big thanks to Ben Had for buying everyone's first raffle ticket, Jewells45 for donating bracelets and charms, blake for donating three handmade kitchen cutting boards, Muad'dib for donating several containers of homemade maple syrup and also providing the NOOD mugs, Mattski a Horde author for contributing several of his books, Ladyl for contributing a bunch of very nice AoSHQ ball caps, and finally Sharon(willow's apprentice) for a Glock t-shirt, all in addition to the fabulous blog themed gift baskets created by none other than bluebell. Again, if I am forgetting anyone, please forgive me!

Proving once again it takes a Village of Morons to make a MoMe, we'd like to thank our sign-in table volunteers; RedMindBlueState, Boone, Jinx the Cat, Hrothgar, Moonbeam, IrishEi, OpenChannel D, WeaselWoman and McGyver, and also our raffle prize table volunteers; Iris, sharon, Liberty Defender Ladyl, NoLongerintheBellyoftheBeast, Babalu, Ed L. ThiccBoi, rtw366 and Just Wondering. We absolutely could not have done this without you!

Our caterer for the evening did an outstanding job, and the site manager Bruce really made the whole thing look easy. From start to finish it was an absolute pleasure to work with Bruce and his team. We cannot thank you enough!

Also, a big thank you to Chris, with the local Stella Artois beer distributor for providing everyone with a custom engraved beer glass, and a big, big, big thank you to Dennis Wayland for the evening's live music. Dennis is a great guy and has a lot of talent! Seriously, thanks again, Dennis. Very well done!

As many of you know, all of the evening's food was from recipes in the The Deplorable Gourmet and everyone wants to know whose recipes were included, so here 'tis. The numeric reference is to the recipe number in TDG.

Drinks
#3 Metropolitan - Diogenes
#9 Bajan Rum Punch - runner

Appetizers
#177 - Jolo's Salsa - Jolo
#178 - Salsa Negra - Tammy al-Thor
#213 - Academy Award Meatballs - Dr. Alice
#219 - Chicken Bacon Bites - Krebs v. Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars

Buffet
#254 - Utica Greens - WhatWhatWhat?
#301 - Mazza's Salad - Ladyl
#311 - Grilled Chicken Cilantro - CBD*
#346 - Cowboy Steak with Red-Eye Gravy - McGyver
#436 - Baked Orange-Ginger Mahi-Mahi - Manny
#277 - Roasted Vegetable Mix - Dr. Alice
#255 - Unbelievably Easy Rice Pilaf - Duke Lowell

Dessert
#59 - Easiest Cake - Nora
#73 - Navaho Peach - Rustic Broad
#129 - Apple Blackberry Cobbler - tms

*currently pending investigation by the FDA

Here again, the caterer did an amazing job and the food was all delicious!

Last but not least, the winner of the Dream Date with Weasel? None other than our pal Thicc Boi! Congratulations, Thicc Boi, and I look forward to shooting with you for a day down at the farm!

Again, please feel free to share your thought on the NoVaMoMe 2021 in the comments below. We're already making plans for next year and hope that you can join us!


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AmmoMan
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Bud's Gun Shop

***Mail Bag***

One of the ette's brought this gentleman to the NoVaMoMe, but I'm not saying who!

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That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

Posted by: Weasel at 07:00 PM




Comments

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1 Ready on the firing line

Posted by: Skip at July 25, 2021 06:00 PM (Cxk7w)

2 Anyone need bail?

Posted by: RI Red - (z5WJZ) at July 25, 2021 06:00 PM (z5WJZ)

3 Gub / NoVaMoMe thread! Thanks, Weasel!

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at July 25, 2021 06:01 PM (Agr8U)

4
g'early evenin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at July 25, 2021 06:02 PM (DUIap)

5 I thought Weasel had more chains the last time I saw him then he's showing in that last picture.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 25, 2021 06:02 PM (a3Q+t)

6 Duncanthrax he needed a couple to pull the tractor out of a ditch he got into.

Posted by: Skip at July 25, 2021 06:04 PM (Cxk7w)

7 Did the owner really put up that sign? If so, that's outstanding!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at July 25, 2021 06:05 PM (2SdPm)

8 Isn't it Volcanic Repeating Arms?

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 25, 2021 06:06 PM (yQpMk)

9 A machinist made a volcanic replica that fires .40 cartridges.

Was on youtube it is gone.

There's a lesson there.

Posted by: sven at July 25, 2021 06:06 PM (Lzpvj)

10 Glad everyone had a great time !
YAY !

Maybe next year ...

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (T/XHv) at July 25, 2021 06:07 PM (T/XHv)

11 Driving by a bunch tonight, but PSA 9mm ammo deals

CCI brass Bla(z)er, 1000 rounds for $380, 50 rounds for $19

trueshotgunclub.com/

bonefroggunclub.com has the 1000 rounds for $375 as well

Posted by: Moron Robbie - science means that the COVID is adapting mostly to the vaccine at July 25, 2021 06:08 PM (nMXLX)

12 I kept looking for FBI raid reports . . .

Posted by: RI Red - (z5WJZ) at July 25, 2021 06:08 PM (z5WJZ)

13 7 Did the owner really put up that sign? If so, that's outstanding!
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at July 25, 2021 06:05 PM (2SdPm)
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Yep! Two in fact!!

Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2021 06:08 PM (MVjcR)

14 I'm coming next year come hell or high water!

Posted by: Jewells45 at July 25, 2021 06:09 PM (nxdel)

15 The volcanics were as they look "pre-henry's"

They were not in 44-40 they were in rocketball ammo.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocket_Ball

Rocketball was less powerful than.25 ACP.

The machinist I mentioned above shaved down .40 smith ammo and made a much better weapon nearer a .32 ACP in power.

Posted by: sven at July 25, 2021 06:09 PM (Lzpvj)

16 Shot the Marlin 1894 lever action in 45 colt last week. Put the skinner sight on it and it is dead nuts on out to 50 yards. Going to have to take it out to a real range and shoot it at 100 yards and see what it does. Problem is ammo is extremely expensive and does not appear to be coming down or even available cheaply for other than cowboy low velocity lead rounds. The stuff I have was $2.00 a round, I put 30 rounds downrange and spent $60. It is becoming my favorite gun though, it's a blast to shoot.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at July 25, 2021 06:10 PM (JUOKG)

17 Oh, and I can see you made sure to move slowly and make sure those ferocious pooches knew who was entering the house, weasel. Certainly wouldn't want to alarm such vicious guard dogs!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at July 25, 2021 06:10 PM (2SdPm)

18 I heard a reliable rumor that after the raid, weasel and Bluebell were leading a conga line thru the county lockup???
Thats what metropolitans can do!!!

Posted by: Diogenes at July 25, 2021 06:11 PM (axyOa)

19 Mr. & Mrs. Duncanthrax each give two thumbs up for the WD & FSJ video. Always a joy to see a dog wagging its tail so hard the rear end wags too!

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 25, 2021 06:11 PM (a3Q+t)

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Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at July 25, 2021 06:10 PM (2SdPm)
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You better believe it!! Your cutting boards were a big hit, btw.

Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2021 06:11 PM (MVjcR)

21 Can't decide what I like more: the dawgees or the sign? OhhhhOK the puppies win! So cute!

Posted by: Iris at July 25, 2021 06:11 PM (6lKe4)

22 Hola Folks!! Had a great time at last nights MoMe. The venue was excellent and as Weasel said the weather cooperated BIGLY!! A lovely breeze coming off the *********** really helped to keep it very comfortable. Loved the venue, would definitely stop by there for some grub and just take in the sights. The view of ********* was nice and I would feel nice and relaxed just walking or biking as I saw others doing.
Thanks again to bluebell and Weasel for conceiving and executing the MoMe.
Looking forward now to the TXMoMe in October.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 25, 2021 06:11 PM (mcfjc)

23 I heard a reliable rumor that after the raid, weasel and Bluebell were leading a conga line thru the county lockup???
Thats what metropolitans can do!!!
Posted by: Diogenes at July 25, 2021 06:11 PM


I'm impressed the overall state of dress was still sufficient to avoid reprimand!

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 25, 2021 06:12 PM (a3Q+t)

24 You better believe it!! Your cutting boards were a big hit, btw.
Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2021 06:11 PM (MVjcR)
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Thank you.

Honestly, I was happy to be able to contribute.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at July 25, 2021 06:13 PM (2SdPm)

25 I don't do the Instagrams so I can't read the BRCC guy's sidebar groveling now that he's realized what he's done to his business scheme.

Can someone summarize it for me?

Also did he mention anything pro-self defense re: Rittenhouse?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - science means that the COVID is adapting mostly to the vaccine at July 25, 2021 06:14 PM (nMXLX)

26 just can't get enough of watching WD and FSJ !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (T/XHv) at July 25, 2021 06:14 PM (T/XHv)

27 Is that last a picture of ZOD?

Posted by: blaster at July 25, 2021 06:14 PM (eN2PK)

28 The Henry toggle knee locking action is still a thing of genius. It's only drawback is not being strong enough for really high pressure cartridges.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 25, 2021 06:14 PM (yQpMk)

29 blake, I was eyeing your cutting boards and having the first ticket called I almost took one. But I grabbed The Deplorable Gourmet (signed by bluebell and Weasel) instead. I figure someone who really cooks a lot would get a lot of use out of them.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 25, 2021 06:15 PM (mcfjc)

30 Nice after action report, Weasel!

That was Fenelon's "date", right?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at July 25, 2021 06:15 PM (Dc2NZ)

31 My local gunshop is starting to look like a gunshop again. We've gone from empty walls and glass cases to stuff everywhere. They're getting ammo in consistently too. I still order online and send to my FFL, hopefully the prices will go down enough to not matter. Right now it's $30 no matter how much ammo I get. The downside of no covid lockdown is my range is packed, and they're not taking reservations any longer. FCFS. Oh well, things could be worse.

I installed a new barrel, slide and light trigger on my Glock 19, and put a Talon Grip on. Still has the ergos of a 2x4, but at least I won't be getting splinters. Have yet to try it out.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at July 25, 2021 06:15 PM (wAnMi)

32
That was Fenelon's "date", right?
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at July 25, 2021 06:15 PM (Dc2NZ)
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I'll never tell!!

Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2021 06:16 PM (MVjcR)

33 28 Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 25, 2021 06:14 PM (yQpMk)

I'd really like to have a nice Henry in .38SP.

Posted by: sven at July 25, 2021 06:16 PM (Lzpvj)

34 Weasel!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at July 25, 2021 06:16 PM (kTF2Z)

35 Mister Scott, I think the 1894 is a "stronger" action than the toggle-action in my repro Model 1866, which is chambered in 45 Colt. So I'm limited to conventional 45C pressures (around 15K PSI and below) - you may not be. Which would prove relevant if you want to push the pills out to greater range.

I use my Model 1866 for fun plinking at steel targets, and occasionally for a silhouette match, so the conventional pressure 45C is adequate (though the rams, at 200 yds, sorta kinda just *barely* slowly tip over, if I hit 'em square).

Great caliber, reloading it is easy and versatile. Buying the factory version these days is obviously not fun, but that should change over time.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at July 25, 2021 06:16 PM (OTzUX)

36 Is that last a picture of ZOD?
Posted by: blaster at July 25, 2021 06:14 PM (eN2PK)

Could be any Horde moron actually....

Posted by: Boswell at July 25, 2021 06:16 PM (5iUNf)

37 I'd really like to have a nice Henry in .38SP.
Posted by: sven at July 25, 2021 06:16 PM (Lzpvj)



So say we all.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 25, 2021 06:16 PM (yQpMk)

38 Sharon! Was that your date?

Posted by: nurse ratched at July 25, 2021 06:17 PM (U2p+3)

39 Duke!

Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2021 06:17 PM (MVjcR)

40 The food was amazing at the MoMe btw. Please thank the chef! And thanks for posting the selections.

Thanks so much Weasel and Bluebell for organizing this. It is something I really look forward to. The Horde are just friendly interesting people!

Can't wait until Texas!


Posted by: Iris at July 25, 2021 06:17 PM (6lKe4)

41 Is that last a picture of ZOD?
Posted by: blaster at July 25, 2021 06:14 PM (eN2PK)

Could be any Horde moron actually....
Posted by: Boswell at July 25, 2021 06:16 PM (5iUNf)


And one headed to town!

Posted by: Diogenes at July 25, 2021 06:18 PM (axyOa)

42 meh, didn't read the brcc guy because I just don't care what kind of excuse he has ... I've gone zero-tolerance on betrayal in any form.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (T/XHv) at July 25, 2021 06:18 PM (T/XHv)

43 37 Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 25, 2021 06:16 PM (yQpMk)

I'm spoiled I have a pair of 51 R-M converted Navies in .38sp I can play drums on the gong with....

.38 is plenty fine for plenty of things.

Posted by: sven at July 25, 2021 06:18 PM (Lzpvj)

44 Iris, must make sure water pistols are loaded and trigger discipline is ignored when Weird Dave is next sighted. :-)

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 25, 2021 06:18 PM (mcfjc)

45 One reminder though; please do not disclose or otherwise make reference to this year's venue! It worked so well, we'd like to use the same place again and will not be able to do so if everyone blabs about where it was.

That's so sad. I'm old enough to remember when people left each other alone. So of course if some crazy heard they'd be sure to shutter that business before next year. Sounds like a great time.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at July 25, 2021 06:19 PM (wAnMi)

46 Grump, think I agree about those actions. I still haven't done the full disassembly on my Uberti repro, but when I do, I'll be able to admire the design a bit more.

It would be nice to be able to do higher pressures, but I figure some day I'll pick up an older Rossi .357 lever and be able to hot-rod some fun loads for that.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at July 25, 2021 06:19 PM (OTzUX)

47 YAY! Gun thread!

The MoMe was a blast! The crowd was about like I'd envisioned it, but many individuals were not. Go figure that one out.

The food was wonderful. The people were great (though I didn't get to spend time with everyone). And the location was almost ideal. They even had clean bathrooms! (There were even a couple of people who might have been younger than 29!)

I will say, though, I expected more dancing on tables and such. Nobody was shot or knifed or even thrown out for insulting the cook.

I THOROUGHLY enjoyed my very first MoMe!

Posted by: GWB at July 25, 2021 06:19 PM (IVYWX)

48 another reason to NOT identify the AO used is so that y'all don't wind up having Andy and Brandy Tiffa show up... what would be "awkward".

as for going to the range, i'm not likely to be able to until we figure out what's wrong with my right shoulder. MTI yesterday AM, results sometime tomorrow, because VA. amazingly enough, my primary care acted on the request the day he got it (Fryday) and the scheduler called within hours: pure luck they had a Saturday opening.

Posted by: redc1c4 *OTUS Zhou Bai-Din Cheated & we all know it. at July 25, 2021 06:19 PM (v7EWn)

49 42 Posted by: sock_rat_eez (T/XHv) at July 25, 2021 06:18 PM (T/XHv)

Hi! I run the BRCC, I "accidentally" hired the moonbats to run my social media, and be my public affairs despite my mad GI Joe street cred, I also accidentally linked my social media to what I am now calling a Pearl Harbor out of context hatchet job whereby I shat all over 35-55% of my client base.

I am a genius and you own me your dollars, so I can totes donate it all to vets!

//BRCC

Posted by: sven at July 25, 2021 06:20 PM (Lzpvj)

50 Now to the content!

Posted by: GWB at July 25, 2021 06:20 PM (IVYWX)

51 Our hunt for my recently deceased BIL's carry piece was finally successful after three weeks. It was a real relief that we located it. A very nice PPK. Also found several other nice guns, pistols and long guns both, that I am keeping for his sons. There is yet another gun safe that we will need a locksmith to open, and if I'm right there will be several nice pieces in that, as well. Also found a very substantial supply of ammo in various calibers and gauges. I may make his sons an offer on the ammo.

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at July 25, 2021 06:21 PM (296EQ)

52 I'd also be (mildly) interested in BRCC's "explanation" if anyone wants to post an exec summary.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at July 25, 2021 06:21 PM (OTzUX)

53 Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 25, 2021 06:15 PM (mcfjc)
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Thank you for the kind words.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at July 25, 2021 06:22 PM (2SdPm)

54 Posted by: GWB at July 25, 2021 06:19 PM (IVYWX)
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So happy you could make it and had a good time. It was great to meet you!

Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2021 06:23 PM (MVjcR)

55 Still waiting for one of the local stores to get in a few boxes of the Punch .22 LR ...

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (T/XHv) at July 25, 2021 06:23 PM (T/XHv)

56 Hiya Weasel !

Posted by: JT at July 25, 2021 06:23 PM (arJlL)

57 Howdy JT!

Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2021 06:24 PM (MVjcR)

58 I'm coming next year come hell or high water!
Posted by: Jewells45 at July 25, 2021 06:09 PM

*channels inner Zod*

You will do this. You will do this...um...next year.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 25, 2021 06:24 PM (rBtIz)

59 [from yet another Undisclosed Location]

So, what is the FDA's position on sous vide?

...nevermind, what do they think of maple syrup on French Toast???




No, that was not ME in the news. Shut up.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 25, 2021 06:24 PM (gTHLm)

60 Gun thread!!!

The NOVAMOME was fantastic--both the company and the food!

Heartfelt thanks to Bluebell, Mr. Bluebell and Weasel for their hard work and exceptional hospitality!

Posted by: Ladyl at July 25, 2021 06:24 PM (TdMsT)

61 So sorry we had to miss it! Didn't think I could get myself and Rebecca through the airports without help from the hubby (who is visiting his mom this week).

Will Definitely try to make it next year, though -

Is someone going to put together a Lake Tahoe MoMe? Our first grandchild is coming in December, and he will be living in Truckee, CA. I am sure that we will want any excuse to visit him!

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas at July 25, 2021 06:24 PM (SRRAx)

62 There are not enough words to Thank bluebell and Weasel for all the work they do to make NoVaMoMe the highlight of the season. I want to also thank all of you that made the effort to meet your fellow Morons. There are no finer people.

Posted by: Ben Had at July 25, 2021 06:25 PM (qNoeu)

63 Programming Note: bluebell is set to appear before the magistrate later this evening, and should be along shortly thereafter.

Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2021 06:25 PM (MVjcR)

64 And thanks again to Weasel and bluebell for putting together what is definitely the social event of the season!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 25, 2021 06:26 PM (rBtIz)

65 You used my recipe! I'm honored. Thanks!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at July 25, 2021 06:26 PM (kTF2Z)

66 I watched the BRCC guy, and, meh, he's talking out of his ass. Never tried his product and sort of suspected that this was the who they were, or that they would simply be another target for lefties to turn into groveling losers. Eff 'im.

Posted by: ErikInTexas at July 25, 2021 06:26 PM (tfpw4)

67 about that old pistol... lots of history there:

https://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/
Volcanic_Repeating_Arms

Posted by: redc1c4 *OTUS Zhou Bai-Din Cheated & we all know it. at July 25, 2021 06:26 PM (v7EWn)

68 Programming Note: bluebell is set to appear before the magistrate later this evening, and should be along shortly thereafter.
Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2021 06:25 PM (MVjcR)
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My money is on bluebell in that confrontation!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at July 25, 2021 06:27 PM (2SdPm)

69 66 Posted by: ErikInTexas at July 25, 2021 06:26 PM (tfpw4)

If I want sh*t coffee there are plenty of vendors, if I want sh*t coffee that does not demean me to t he NYT I can buy Sanka.

Posted by: sven at July 25, 2021 06:27 PM (Lzpvj)

70 There is yet another gun safe that we will need a locksmith to open

Depending on the value of the safe vs the cost of the gunsmith, you could just take a grinder to it like thieves do.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 25, 2021 06:27 PM (yQpMk)

71 Mister Scott, I think the 1894 is a "stronger"
action than the toggle-action in my repro Model 1866, which is chambered
in 45 Colt. So I'm limited to conventional 45C pressures (around 15K
PSI and below) - you may not be. Which would prove relevant if you want
to push the pills out to greater range.


Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at July 25, 2021 06:16 PM

Ruger has announced that they will start making marlin level actions again this fall after their bankruptcy issues and factory shut downs from last year. I am going to pick one up in .357 magnum as soon as I can get my hands on one.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at July 25, 2021 06:27 PM (JUOKG)

72 thx, sven; 'bout what I xpected.

fatal error in judgement, assuming that as much as one word of it is true.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (T/XHv) at July 25, 2021 06:28 PM (T/XHv)

73 Posted by: Ben Had at July 25, 2021 06:25 PM (qNoeu)
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Thank you for your generosity donation, Ben Had!

Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2021 06:28 PM (MVjcR)

74 First of all, A big shout out to Weasel and bluebell who really put everything together for the NoVaMoMe and for everyone ls who contributed. Me, I just sat around drinking beer and Welcoming people and checking off names.
Secondly, while the recipe, #346 - Cowboy Steak with Red-Eye Gravy is attributed to me, it's really my wife's and she is a marvel in the kitchen. Shameless plug for her website (link in nic) She hasn't been keeping it up as well as she used to, but...
And C - I had 250 rds of Fenix .223/556 55gr FMJBT waiting for me when I got back to the apartment this morning Now to read the content!

McGyver, over

Posted by: McGyver at July 25, 2021 06:28 PM (Iw46i)

75 The BRCC thing is pretty irrelevant to me: I have a coffee brand I buy, and BRCC ain't it, and I'm never going to consider buying staples like coffee for ideological reasons (most likely never anyways). But the problem with BRCC's excuses is that it's name just keeps coming up. It's not like this is the first BRCC-hates-conservatives story. So either the company is perpetually unlucky, there is a cabal conspiring to destroy it, or it actually hates conservatives.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at July 25, 2021 06:28 PM (QU5/8)

76 not gunsmith, locksmith.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 25, 2021 06:29 PM (yQpMk)

77 Howdy, gun'rons. Man, you get to the thread 15 minutes late and it's hard to get caught up.

//BRCC

No comment re: BRCC but is the // an OS/JCL reference?

Posted by: Oddbob at July 25, 2021 06:29 PM (nfrXX)

78 Well, while you all were returning from MoMe/lockup, I went to the range.
Got my very first ragged hole three shot group in 6.5 at 100 yds.
Got witnesses, too. And a pic I might send our host.
Hornady Match 140 HPBT over XY.Z grains of H-4350.
Then went up to the big boy range. I hit the 1106 on my second shot, but I could not get the 850 for the life of me, except for the very last round out of the box.
I blame heat and humidity. Never me.

Posted by: RI Red - (z5WJZ) at July 25, 2021 06:29 PM (z5WJZ)

79 You used my recipe! I'm honored. Thanks!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at July 25, 2021 06:26 PM (kTF2Z)

Duke, the rice was excellent!! And a little red-eye gravy put it over the top!!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 25, 2021 06:29 PM (mcfjc)

80 I have my NRA ballot. Can anyone recommend some dissident directors to vote for?

Posted by: IronDave at July 25, 2021 06:29 PM (k3crU)

81 67 Posted by: redc1c4 *OTUS Zhou Bai-Din Cheated & we all know it. at July 25, 2021 06:26 PM (v7EWn)

There was a certain utility as a gambler weapon, and a gallery gun.

Posted by: sven at July 25, 2021 06:29 PM (Lzpvj)

82 Hi! I run the BRCC, I "accidentally" hired the moonbats to run my social media, and be my public affairs despite my mad GI Joe street cred, I also accidentally linked my social media to what I am now calling a Pearl Harbor out of context hatchet job whereby I shat all over 35-55% of my client base.

I am a genius and you own me your dollars, so I can totes donate it all to vets!

//BRCC
Posted by: s



nice

Posted by: confederatefifth at July 25, 2021 06:30 PM (9UqNr)

83 I've got a simple MoMe question -- Did y'all detect any infiltrators, er, ringers?

Posted by: GnuBreed at July 25, 2021 06:30 PM (F0YaR)

84 >>> 32
That was Fenelon's "date", right?
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at July 25, 2021 06:15 PM (Dc2NZ)
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I'll never tell!!
Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2021 06:16 PM (MVjcR)

Silly Eris!

That's Ladyl's new squeeze.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 25, 2021 06:30 PM (gTHLm)

85 I've got a simple MoMe question -- Did y'all detect any infiltrators, er, ringers?


Anyone have a glow about them?

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 25, 2021 06:30 PM (yQpMk)

86 My SIL went shooting for the first time this past weekend with her new beau. If this pans out it will be hubby #4. lmao! Anyway.. I asked if I could tag along next time since they were outside and I haven't shot outdoors since the Texas MoMe last year.

Posted by: Jewells45 at July 25, 2021 06:31 PM (nxdel)

87 77 Posted by: Oddbob at July 25, 2021 06:29 PM (nfrXX)

// dentoes a parody of *insert x*

//Emperor Urkle X was a popular one once.

Posted by: sven at July 25, 2021 06:31 PM (Lzpvj)

88 80 I have my NRA ballot. Can anyone recommend some dissident directors to vote for?
Posted by: IronDave at July 25, 2021 06:29 PM (k3crU)
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Write in WeaselDog and Fun Size Joe?

Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2021 06:31 PM (MVjcR)

89 I want give thanks to the greatest co-host in the history of the universe, bluebell, for being such a good friend and for doing all of the work. She's the best!

Okay, bluebell, you can drop the shiv you've been holding to Weasel's jugular.

He delivered.

Posted by: GnuBreed at July 25, 2021 06:32 PM (F0YaR)

90 I've always enjoyed this video on how to react (or not) when carrying a firearm:
https://bit.ly/3rxmH0Z
I think Mike The Cop has a good delivery and a good attitude.

Posted by: GWB at July 25, 2021 06:32 PM (IVYWX)

91 awww, the doggehsbare so happy to see Weasel

lookit those waggy tails!

so was that the actual sign at the MoMe? cool!

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at July 25, 2021 06:32 PM (oEn12)

92 83 I've got a simple MoMe question -- Did y'all detect any infiltrators, er, ringers?
Posted by: GnuBreed at July 25, 2021 06:30 PM (F0YaR)
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Not that I could see.

Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2021 06:33 PM (MVjcR)

93 I have my NRA ballot. Can anyone recommend some dissident directors to vote for?

There aren't many. See https://firearmscoalition.org/.

Posted by: Oddbob at July 25, 2021 06:33 PM (nfrXX)

94 the rocketball ammo for the Volcanic was one of the first self contained cartridges made, and was caseless ammo before that was cool.
I believe that it did not use black powder, but mostly a pellet of mercury fulminate as a propellant. The bullet looked like a hollowed out minee ball with a clay plug holding the pellet in place in the hollowed-out base. The hammer penetrated the plug and detonated the primer material.

it was not a success. It was very important in developing later lever actions I believe.

Posted by: Kindltot at July 25, 2021 06:33 PM (HG00O)

95 82 Posted by: confederatefifth at July 25, 2021 06:30 PM (9UqNr)

Something I say when I am working is "sometimes the powers that be will ask you to tell me things that may not be precisely true....that's okay unless your statement requires me to have a near freezing IQ to buy then it is not ok."

BRCC asked me to be below freezing.

Posted by: sven at July 25, 2021 06:33 PM (Lzpvj)

96 I've got a simple MoMe question -- Did y'all detect any infiltrators, er, ringers?
Posted by: GnuBreed at July 25, 2021 06:30 PM

I dunno...there was a suspicious little character about 3 feet tall. She had NSA written all over her.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 25, 2021 06:34 PM (rBtIz)

97 Looked at the over- penetration artical, quite impressive in 45acp.

Posted by: Skip at July 25, 2021 06:34 PM (Cxk7w)

98 Kudos to Weasel and bluebell for a stellar MoMe. Everything from the venue, to the food, the drinks, the music and the Morons was terrific! So glad I got out of there before the constables came.

Posted by: IrishEi at July 25, 2021 06:34 PM (9GRhC)

99
Ruger has announced that they will start making marlin level actions again this fall after their bankruptcy issues and factory shut downs from last year.

**

(does that little Snoopy happy dance)

Posted by: Moron Robbie - science means that the COVID is adapting mostly to the vaccine at July 25, 2021 06:35 PM (nMXLX)

100 Write in WeaselDog and Fun Size Joe?
Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2021 06:31 PM


You'd also have to also write in their city/state.

I followed the recommendations that Neal Knox's son wrote up in the ammoseek.com article that's been posted a couple of times in the last three weeks or so. I also wrote in NK son, after a bit of sleuthing came up with his city/state. I intend to inquire about the vote tally, and am using him as a marker whether my vote was counted.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 25, 2021 06:35 PM (a3Q+t)

101 Wish I could have made that MoMe. Another time.

I like BRCC coffee. I had a subscription. I canceled it, telling them I am neither racist nor rube, and that if we can't be honest about what happened in the last election and on 1/6/21, then we can't do business.

I deleted without reading the email "explaining" and begging me to comeback.

I can get good coffee everywhere.

Posted by: April at July 25, 2021 06:36 PM (OX9vb)

102 I ate too much, I missed the drink recipes (boo hoo), and I am taking home a jug of Muad'Dib's excellent maple syrup.

Do you know what it says on the label? It says "use on French Toast.

What kind of savage wouldn't put real butter and pure maple syrup on French Toast?

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 25, 2021 06:36 PM (gTHLm)

103 lesson to anyone in a mess like BRCC: find and get rid of your snakes, or embrace them.

There is no middle path.

Posted by: Kindltot at July 25, 2021 06:37 PM (HG00O)

104 weasel, WEASEL!!! I have an honest to goodness, real range report. The Star Pistola that I told you about that has been sitting here forever got used today. Eromero, hogmartin, Stephen and RancherBob all shot it and the consensus is that it has a really great trigger. Convinced to keep it as a carry gun.

Posted by: Ben Had at July 25, 2021 06:37 PM (qNoeu)

105 I read that 'gift baskets' as 'gift caskets'. I see my eye doctor next month.

Posted by: Eromero at July 25, 2021 06:37 PM (0OP+5)

106 Nice, Ben Had !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (T/XHv) at July 25, 2021 06:38 PM (T/XHv)

107 Actually, "gift caskets" has a certain ring to it, the ruthless barbarian part of me kinda likes it.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at July 25, 2021 06:38 PM (OTzUX)

108 G'rump928(c), it's up to his sons. I'm not going to destroy the safe cuz it ain't mine, and neither are the guns.

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at July 25, 2021 06:38 PM (296EQ)

109 Hi y'all!

Colorado Morondezvous
Saturday August 21st
6:30pm til.....
Central Denver (not downtown)

wds dot aoshq at proton mail dot com

Posted by: westminsterdogshow at July 25, 2021 06:38 PM (7IxRK)

110 Okay, bluebell, you can drop the shiv you've been holding to Weasel's jugular.

He delivered.
Posted by: GnuBreed at July 25, 2021 06:32 PM


bluebell's shiv-fu has transcended needing to deploy shivs physically.

Misbehave, and be a recipient of "The Look" if you want to see a slice of mastery in action.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 25, 2021 06:38 PM (a3Q+t)

111 By popular demand, we have a short video of WeaselDog and Fun Size Joe greeting your 'ol pal Weasel when I come home from work. Where else can you find such enthusiasm for simply showing up?

My cousin deliver this nugget tonight -- Lock your wife and your dog in the trunk. Ride around for awhile. Open the trunk and record your observations.

*caution -- protect family jewels when approaching wife*

Posted by: GnuBreed at July 25, 2021 06:39 PM (F0YaR)

112 Posted by: Ben Had at July 25, 2021 06:37 PM (qNoeu)
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Excellent!!

Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2021 06:39 PM (MVjcR)

113 WDS!!!

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 25, 2021 06:39 PM (gTHLm)

114 "Ladyl for contributing a bunch of very nice AoSHQ ball caps"

I won one of those! And it's going to be my range cap from now on! I absolutely LOVE it!

As a note on math....
Buying more tickets does NOT equal "going to win". But I'm happy to have donated.

Posted by: GWB at July 25, 2021 06:40 PM (IVYWX)

115 Jewells I've got an aunt who is on her sixth count 'em SIXTH husband. They've gotten progressively richer and more crooked/criminal every time. I hold my Jewells45 AOS keychain up to ward off her evil spirits!

Posted by: NC Ref at July 25, 2021 06:40 PM (we2l3)

116 Why can't folks like BBC coffee just shut their pie holes and make good BBC coffee?

It's like they can't help theyselves.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 25, 2021 06:41 PM (R/m4+)

117 lesson to anyone in a mess like BRCC: find and get rid of your snakes, or embrace them.

**

I suspect they've always been Democrats but they figured out a REALLY clever business plan to take advantage of the Chick-Fil-A crowd.

We patriots love patriots and patriots drink patriot coffee because patriot also we donate to veterans!!!

Posted by: Moron Robbie - science means that the COVID is adapting mostly to the vaccine at July 25, 2021 06:41 PM (nMXLX)

118 BRCC din't really mean it man, really dudes! Fvck you, sick of vets using their service to make money.

Posted by: dartist at July 25, 2021 06:42 PM (+ya+t)

119 BTW, just for Sharon, go here:
https://bit.ly/3kVzt8m
As of this comment, it is still in stock!!!

Posted by: GWB at July 25, 2021 06:43 PM (IVYWX)

120 Eromero, Thank You so much for today.

Posted by: Ben Had at July 25, 2021 06:44 PM (qNoeu)

121 Honestly, in this day and age you don't hire Democrat-donating folks for the head of your IT and Social Media without knowing who/what they are.

BRCC is sorry they got caught.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - science means that the COVID is adapting mostly to the vaccine at July 25, 2021 06:44 PM (nMXLX)

122 Vulcan pistol. This is an ancient memory but I recall the Vulcan worked like a lever action rifle and became the prototype for the rifles that Henry and Winchester later developed. It seems to have used some odd self contained style of ammo that didn't allow for much power. Sorry I can't recall more than that.

Posted by: JTB at July 25, 2021 06:44 PM (7EjX1)

123 Hey everybody. Hey gun thread! Hey Weasel!

Kinda/sorta related to the topic of home security... headline at HotFart:

"Should Amazon drivers be able to unlock apartment building doors?"

Posted by: qdpsteve at July 25, 2021 06:44 PM (L2ZTs)

124 I wasn't there, but given the secrecy I'd be lying if I said I didn't urgently want to "leak" the location as the official residence of one Elwood Blues of Chicago.

I'd say it was a great scene but really, that would just be redundant. Not a scene or line in that entire movie that wasn't legendary.

Posted by: CppThis at July 25, 2021 06:45 PM (8h1h1)

125 Posted by: qdpsteve at July 25, 2021 06:44 PM (L2ZTs)
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Howdy!

Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2021 06:45 PM (MVjcR)

126 Many thanks to Bluebell, Weasel, and everyone else who made the MoMe so great!

It was my first one and I'm looking forward to the next.

Posted by: Thicc Boi at July 25, 2021 06:45 PM (zThcc)

127 ZOD.

Posted by: ZOD at July 25, 2021 06:46 PM (xK9An)

128 I'm so glad the MoMe went so well but not at all surprised. The Horde is a generous, talented and delightful group of folks. I wish we could have attended.

Posted by: JTB at July 25, 2021 06:46 PM (7EjX1)

129 "Should Amazon drivers be able to unlock apartment building doors?"
Posted by: qdpsteve at July 25, 2021 06:44 PM (L2ZTs)
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Only if the apartment building wants to be replacing locks every week or so.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at July 25, 2021 06:46 PM (2SdPm)

130 Is someone going to put together a Lake Tahoe MoMe? Our first grandchild is coming in December, and he will be living in Truckee, CA. I am sure that we will want any excuse to visit him!
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas at July 25, 2021 06:24 PM (SRRAx)

Congrats, Teresa! That's so exciting. Tell him the 13th is a good day...

Posted by: Sal at July 25, 2021 06:46 PM (Uu3D6)

131 My caution level on BRCC approached the no buy zone upon their reaction to Kyle Rittenhouse being photographed in one of their shirts.

My caution, it seems, was fully justified.

Meh. Companies come, companies go.

Posted by: GnuBreed at July 25, 2021 06:47 PM (F0YaR)

132 Posted by: Thicc Boi at July 25, 2021 06:45 PM (zThcc)
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Happy you could make it, and again, look forward to shooting with you!

Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2021 06:47 PM (MVjcR)

133 Weasel! Horde! Guns!

Weasel, I sure hope the MoMe morons took C19 vaccines every hour on the hour. And drank their booze through at least five masks.

If it saves just one annual bonus for a pharma exec, it's worth it.

Posted by: callsign claymore at July 25, 2021 06:47 PM (mqMR+)

134 Could be any Horde moron actually....
Posted by: Boswell at July 25, 2021 06:16 PM (5iUNf)


I don't know. I think most have better taste in sunglasses.

Posted by: GWB at July 25, 2021 06:47 PM (IVYWX)

135 Thanks for the link to the "Crunching the Numbers" article. I'll bookmark for a careful read later.

I have a couple of question, both semi-obscure so I'm not going to be too bummed if I don't get good answers. But if you can't talk about obscure gun stuff here, where can you?

First, does anyone have experience with McGowen Precision barrels, specifically their 10/22 barrels? I've been waiting over a year now for Green Mountain to get the one I want back in stock.

Second, does anyone who reloads use a wet tumbler? And if so, do you have a clever (cheap/easy but most importantly fast) way to dry cases?

Posted by: Oddbob at July 25, 2021 06:47 PM (nfrXX)

136 Silly Eris!

That's Ladyl's new squeeze.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 25, 2021 06:30 PM (gTHLm)
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Shit! Don't tell Fenelon!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at July 25, 2021 06:47 PM (Dc2NZ)

137 First post - hello to everyone. Thank you to Weasel and Bluebell for putting on yesterday's get-together. I know this sort of thing is a lot of work on your precious spare time. A big thank you to everyone there for helping a nervous newcomer feel welcome and joining in the conversation. Big thumbs up for the food and venue.

Posted by: Ed L at July 25, 2021 06:47 PM (7je7d)

138 Wow!! I was a Great MoMe.
First, to Weasel and Bluebell. Many many thanks. In another life, I helped run a car show for a few years. Not exactly the same, but I have a pretty good idea how much hair pulling is required. So, thank you all from the bottom of my heart
I met some new folks, renewed some friendships, and missed some that were not there at all.
My ticket won me a fantastic Lady L hat. I will pass it to SiD in short order...
A great time!! Can't wait til Texas

Posted by: jesse in dc at July 25, 2021 06:48 PM (fLIYo)

139 I pulled a new stupid. Packed the car with two 9 mm braced pistols, along with 100 rounds of ammunition and headed for the gun club. Set up my targets on the 50 yard range and was ready to load the magazines....that I forgot at home. So, I ended up single-feeding both guns 5 rounds a piece to ensure their red-dot optics were properly sighted in. Moron.

Posted by: PacosMojo at July 25, 2021 06:48 PM (1Fv0G)

140
I dunno...there was a suspicious little character about 3 feet tall. She had NSA written all over her.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState
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This looks like a very risky comment.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc.,etc. at July 25, 2021 06:48 PM (SwCv8)

141 No range time, shamefully. And I have two test loads to try out (just for leading, not performance). Did discover a new gun store close to my cigar shop, though. And restocked the bag-idor (zip lock humidor). And had a nice Nub Connecticut while FaceTiming with my buddy in TX while at the store. This cigar store attracts a very subversive, extremist crowd. Almost fun to hear how others also cannot believe what they're seeing in the country.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at July 25, 2021 06:49 PM (OTzUX)

142 Our bottom story today is that I finally got to go to the range for the first time in a month.
It was nice.
Primary takeaway: .32 ACP hollow point isn't worth it. Just go with the ball ammo.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 25, 2021 06:49 PM (llXky)

143 Does a CCW show up when an LEO runs a plate and the registered owner pops up? Do they already know you're probably carrying?

Posted by: nurse ratched at July 25, 2021 06:49 PM (U2p+3)

144 The crowd was about like I'd envisioned it, but many individuals were not.

Posted by: GWB at July 25, 2021 06:19 PM (IVYWX)

I should have said "looked about like I'd envisioned". Just to be clearer.

Posted by: GWB at July 25, 2021 06:49 PM (IVYWX)

145 ZOD.
Posted by: ZOD at July 25, 2021 06:46 PM

*considers comment*

*considers nic*

*nods*

Btw, I completely forgot to ask if you had any good cheese projects in the works.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 25, 2021 06:50 PM (rBtIz)

146 Does a CCW show up when an LEO runs a plate and the registered owner pops up? Do they already know you're probably carrying?
Posted by: nurse ratched
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Probably. It certainly does in NC.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc.,etc. at July 25, 2021 06:50 PM (SwCv8)

147 Hello everyone! Range report coming up on my next post.

Posted by: BifBewalski (VcFUs) on the road - I'll update this after my first post. at July 25, 2021 06:51 PM (71N/p)

148 Posted by: redc1c4 *OTUS Zhou Bai-Din Cheated & we all know it. at July 25, 2021 06:19 PM (v7EWn)


Yes, definitely glad you didn't have to wait forever to get in somewhere. Hope it can be cleared up soon.

Posted by: GWB at July 25, 2021 06:51 PM (IVYWX)

149 Ben Had @ 120- As always a pleasure to be among good people doing fun stuff. After this trip I will be shopping for a Star and incidentally hogmartin will probably never ride with me again, since I ran two redlights. It was good to see all of y'all and I leave the project in your capable hands while the rest of us await the launch in October.

Posted by: Eromero at July 25, 2021 06:51 PM (0OP+5)

150
Probably. It certainly does in NC.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc.,etc.
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Hold it. Not sure about plate registration, but true for D/L.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc.,etc. at July 25, 2021 06:52 PM (SwCv8)

151 Question...

Why would you tell a PO you have a CCW and are strapped? Especially if you're pulled over for something stupid, like a tail light out, or equally stupid shit.

You're under no obligation IIRC.

Seems like an unnecessary bag o' worms to me.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 25, 2021 06:52 PM (BFigT)

152 ZOD:

Does not wear playing-cards in his hair. Playing-cards are common.

The firearm in the image is a Beretta 9mm. This is the sidearm of homosexuals.

I do not bear the suntan of a day-laborer.

Posted by: ZOD at July 25, 2021 06:52 PM (xK9An)

153 I am not sure I trust a Amazon driver any more that the next person I pass on a street.

And cry only when the last coffee company goes out of business, until then easy come easy go.

Posted by: Skip at July 25, 2021 06:52 PM (Cxk7w)

154 Good viddy info on the "what to do if...) scenarios. I have to recommend Andrew Branca's Law of Self Defense Sit and his books as some of the best of the best info out there. Plus he's a Moron who stops by once in a while.

McGyver, over

Posted by: McGyver at July 25, 2021 06:53 PM (Iw46i)

155 Hold it. Not sure about plate registration, but true for D/L.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc.,etc. at July 25, 2021 06:52 PM (SwCv
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I think the NE corridor is known for running plates and having CCW information come up. I don't know about the west coast.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at July 25, 2021 06:53 PM (2SdPm)

156 Moar BRCC -- Their embrace of the EBR (evil black rifle) makes them toxic to the likes of Starbux, unless they plan to pull a Disney and use them ala Touchstone to appeal to an audience Disney can't officially embrace.

PS thanks for the gub tread Mr. Weasel, I always read the content. Sooner or later.

Posted by: GnuBreed at July 25, 2021 06:53 PM (F0YaR)

157 >>Does a CCW show up when an LEO runs a plate and the registered owner pops up? Do they already know you're probably carrying?
Posted by: nurse ratched

Pretty sure it depends on the state.

Posted by: Aviator at July 25, 2021 06:53 PM (HQ9Sl)

158 Why would you tell a PO you have a CCW and are strapped? Especially if you're pulled over for something stupid, like a tail light out, or equally stupid shit.

You're under no obligation IIRC.

**

In NC you are. I've read recently that it's recommended that you present your CCW permit at the same time you show your license.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - science means that the COVID is adapting mostly to the vaccine at July 25, 2021 06:54 PM (e6I/s)

159 Posted by: GnuBreed at July 25, 2021 06:53 PM (F0YaR)
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Happy to do it!

Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2021 06:54 PM (MVjcR)

160 Evening.

Why do some dogs sneeze when they get excited?

The location of the meet-up won't be hard to figure out. There's only so many Federal Penitentiaries in the region that one could deduce it rather easily.

*Bakes a cake with a shiv for any 'Rons left behind*

Posted by: Robert - 40 Days until the new Iron Maiden album at July 25, 2021 06:54 PM (1Yy3c)

161 Thicc Boi, Congratulations on the Dream Date. You have no idea how cool this is going to be.

Posted by: Ben Had at July 25, 2021 06:54 PM (qNoeu)

162 You're under no obligation IIRC.

Seems like an unnecessary bag o' worms to me.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 25, 2021 06:52 PM (BFigT)
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Here in CA, one has a "duty to inform" when interacting with PD during traffic stops or law enforcement related stuff.

Casually bumping into PD at a coffee shop? Nope.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at July 25, 2021 06:55 PM (2SdPm)

163 Does a CCW show up when an LEO runs a plate and the registered owner pops up? Do they already know you're probably carrying?



Posted by: nurse ratched at July 25, 2021 06:49 PM (U2p+3)
This is just a guess, I think within ones own State it might flag if the police runs your plates. Out of State is anyone's guess. It would mean the State your CCW was issued in shares that information with other law enforcement around the country.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 25, 2021 06:55 PM (mcfjc)

164 Posted by: McGyver at July 25, 2021 06:28 PM (Iw46i)


I think, aside from the taste, the best part of that dish was the gravy being served right in the cast iron skillet.

Posted by: GWB at July 25, 2021 06:55 PM (IVYWX)

165 80 I have my NRA ballot. Can anyone recommend some dissident directors to vote for?

Posted by: IronDave at July 25, 2021 06:29 PM (k3crU)


Craig Swartz, Adel IA is a local guy, who I know slightly, and trust. He has worked the NRA table at local gun shows, signing up new members for years.

Posted by: a.moron at July 25, 2021 06:55 PM (I5FZ1)

166
Why would you tell a PO you have a CCW and are
strapped?
Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 25, 2021 06:52 PM (BFigT)

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Because it's the law in my state, and when they run my plate, they'll see it.

I've never had a negative reaction to telling a cop I have a CPL. Never. In every case, they became more friendly.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 25, 2021 06:56 PM (llXky)

167 135....

I'm happy with the AR barrel I purchased from McGowen. I received the barrel within 5 months of placing the order (2019). As for drying wet cases, I simply place them on a dedicated "brass only" cookie sheet and dry them in the oven for 30 minutes at 175F.

Posted by: PacosMojo at July 25, 2021 06:56 PM (1Fv0G)

168 Moar BRCC -- Their embrace of the EBR (evil black rifle) makes them toxic to the likes of Starbux, unless they plan to pull a Disney and use them ala Touchstone to appeal to an audience Disney can't officially embrace.

**

I read recently that the CEO guy that keeps deciding he wants to destroy his business has stated that the "black rifle" he's referring to with his corporate title is his military weapon because he's a patriotic veteran that supports veterans because patriot, and it does NOT refer to civilian ARs.

Read between the lines if you'd like to.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - science means that the COVID is adapting mostly to the vaccine at July 25, 2021 06:56 PM (e6I/s)

169 All I can say is that there better be a dream date with Weasel in TX.

Posted by: RI Red - (z5WJZ) at July 25, 2021 06:56 PM (z5WJZ)

170 McGyver - just subscriber to the website of your beloved. Looks dangerously interesting...

Posted by: Iris at July 25, 2021 06:56 PM (6lKe4)

171 and I was forced to protect myself", then say "I don't feel so good, I need to go to the hospital".
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I think I'm having a heart attack.

Posted by: Braenyard at July 25, 2021 06:57 PM (09siJ)

172 >>165 80 I have my NRA ballot. Can anyone recommend some dissident directors to vote for?
Posted by: IronDave at July 25, 2021 06:29 PM (k3crU)

Do it now.

Posted by: ZOD at July 25, 2021 06:57 PM (xK9An)

173
In NC you are. I've read recently that it's recommended that you present your CCW permit at the same time you show your license.
Posted by: Moron Robbie
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I have twice in the last two years simply informed the LEO that I have a carry permit. The first time, the guy politely said, 'I know, and thanks for telling me'. Second time, I was ahead of him, and he also thanked me.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc.,etc. at July 25, 2021 06:57 PM (4EIFd)

174 The firearm in the image is a Beretta 9mm. This is the sidearm of homosexuals.


Posted by: ZOD at July 25, 2021 06:52 PM (xK9An)

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Could be a clone. If it's Turkish, you're still correct, but if it's Brazilian, smile when you say that.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 25, 2021 06:57 PM (llXky)

175 > In NC you are. I've read recently that it's recommended that you present your CCW permit at the same time you show your license.

By law? Or "recommended?" Those are not the same. I've traveled through NC many times... and I've never given a second thought to this. And I wouldn't offer up info they don't need to have for a speeding ticket.

Generally speaking... law enforcement is not your friend anymore.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 25, 2021 06:58 PM (BFigT)

176 Does a CCW show up when an LEO runs a plate and the registered owner pops up? Do they already know you're probably carrying?
Posted by: nurse ratched


There are reports that the VA HP does exactly this.

Frankly, I wouldn't trust carrying in any NE state if you have out of state plates.

Posted by: GnuBreed at July 25, 2021 06:58 PM (F0YaR)

177 168 Posted by: Moron Robbie - science means that the COVID is adapting mostly to the vaccine at July 25, 2021 06:56 PM (e6I/s)

Just a version of Fudds.

I have never given him a dime, and I never will.

Posted by: sven at July 25, 2021 06:58 PM (Lzpvj)

178 All I can say is that there better be a dream date with Weasel in TX.

Posted by: RI Red - (z5WJZ) at July 25, 2021 06:56 PM (z5WJZ)
Yeah, there is an orgy on Friday. ;-)

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 25, 2021 06:58 PM (mcfjc)

179 "143 Does a CCW show up when an LEO runs a plate and the registered owner pops up? Do they already know you're probably carrying?
Posted by: nurse ratched at July 25, 2021 06:49 PM (U2p+3)"

Sometimes... Depends on your State law. Montana, nope, not tied to the Plate or DL. VA, where I'm at now, supposedly so, but I'm still using a MT plate and DL. WA? Probably

McGyver, over

Posted by: McGyver at July 25, 2021 06:58 PM (Iw46i)

180 I enjoyed myself today at the venue for the TxMoMe with Ben Had, Eromero, hogmartin, and Rancher Bob + 1.

I'll let hogmartin, Eromero, and Rancher Bob wax prolific about their prowess on the range, my performance was, um. Lackluster. Yeah, that's what it was. Lackluster. Embarrasing really.

Until Eromero let me shoot his 1911. Ot is very similar to the sr1911 i carry. Very nice weapon. It allowed me a nice shot group from maybe 7 yards.

I also got to take a shot or three with Eromero's new red dot on his ar15, at the 10o yard lane. One went somewhere, i dont think i was even on the paper, the other two were maybe 4" apart. Nice weapon, not sure i want a red dot anymore though. I guess I'm habitualized to an old school iron site.

Thank you to Ben Had for convincine me to meet real people in people space. Good food, gracious hosts, great people. Thank you.

Posted by: BifBewalski (VcFUs) on the road - (71N/p) at July 25, 2021 06:58 PM (71N/p)

181 Welcome, EdL! Don't be a stranger - they've let me comment for a few years now....

Sal, yes, Dec. 13th is a good date for a birthday (my late FIL certainly thought so!), but so is Dec. 18th (my mother's). He's due on the 17th, so we'll see what happens!

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas at July 25, 2021 06:59 PM (SRRAx)

182 I almost never have less than 4 firearms in my vehicle. Two rifles and two handguns. I have never had a problem. I keep them for varmints and such, and it's a big canoe I haven't christened yet.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at July 25, 2021 06:59 PM (bCkNL)

183 By law? Or "recommended?" Those are not the same. I've traveled through NC many times... and I've never given a second thought to this. And I wouldn't offer up info they don't need to have for a speeding ticket.

**

By law. That's part of what makes reciprocity so tricky, honestly.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - science means that the COVID is adapting mostly to the vaccine at July 25, 2021 07:00 PM (e6I/s)

184 169 All I can say is that there better be a dream date with Weasel in TX.
Posted by: RI Red - (z5WJZ) at July 25, 2021 06:56 PM (z5WJZ)
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We can probably arrange something!

Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2021 07:00 PM (MVjcR)

185 Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2021 06:47 PM (MVjcR)

I'm looking forward to it too!

On to my range report: took out the G19 and the .22LR AR again. Promptly blew my 2nd shot and realized I shouldn't have skipped range time last weekend.

Posted by: Thicc Boi at July 25, 2021 07:00 PM (zThcc)

186 Umm. OH SHIT.

The missus.

Posted by: ZOD at July 25, 2021 07:00 PM (xK9An)

187 114 "Ladyl for contributing a bunch of very nice AoSHQ ball caps"

I won one of those! And it's going to be my range cap from now on! I absolutely LOVE it!

As a note on math....
Buying more tickets does NOT equal "going to win". But I'm happy to have donated.
Posted by: GWB at July 25, 2021 06:40 PM (IVYWX)


I'm so glad you like it!

I'll bring some to Texas, too!

Posted by: Ladyl at July 25, 2021 07:00 PM (TdMsT)

188 I've got a simple MoMe question -- Did y'all detect any infiltrators, er, ringers?
Posted by: GnuBreed at July 25, 2021 06:30 PM (F0YaR)


Bluebell had a pretty good filtering system set up for the reservations, I think. And I think the only folks that sort of wandered into the midst were an old couple (way over 29) who looked sort of dazed at our group being there.

Otherwise, I joked our group had that "don't touch the pretty frog" vibe.

Posted by: GWB at July 25, 2021 07:00 PM (IVYWX)

189 *Bakes a cake with a shiv for any 'Rons left behind*
Posted by: Robert - 40 Days until the new Iron Maiden album at July 25, 2021 06:54 PM

We are the Horde. We leave no Moron behind.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 25, 2021 07:00 PM (rBtIz)

190 Generally speaking... law enforcement is not your friend anymore.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 25, 2021 06:58 PM (BFigT)

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Speak for yourself. Even my Democrat county sheriff said he wasn't going to enforce, COVID stuff and he didn't. Local cops also took a hard pass.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 25, 2021 07:00 PM (llXky)

191 RI Red, you can count on it.

Posted by: Ben Had at July 25, 2021 07:01 PM (qNoeu)

192 I do a wet wash after annealing and before cap & size. If you tumble your wet cases in your separator, then 20 minutes at 200 degrees in a cracked open oven works dandy.

Posted by: ck at July 25, 2021 07:01 PM (iBg56)

193 Thanks, PacosMojo.

Posted by: Oddbob at July 25, 2021 07:02 PM (nfrXX)

194 Addendum to clarify:

By law duty to inform.

The "present your CCW license" is a fairly recent thing I've read some people discussing. Apparently there's some concern - based on an incident, I suspect - that a cop that is having a bad day can get your CCW permit pulled if you don't.

YMMV.

Still, very much a duty to inform. See Mike Hammer at #173. His experiences are very similar to mine.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - science means that the COVID is adapting mostly to the vaccine at July 25, 2021 07:02 PM (e6I/s)

195 Frankly, I wouldn't trust carrying in any NE state if you have out of state plates.

Posted by: GnuBreed at July 25, 2021 06:58 PM (F0YaR)
I do not have a carry permit (resident of the Peoples Republic of NYC) and I feel nervous when I head to the range I belong to in NJ. Everything is unloaded and locked and the ammo is kept away from the firearm and also locked but I still worry. It will be interesting when I travel halfway across the country with them in October.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 25, 2021 07:02 PM (mcfjc)

196 Teresa,
I approve the 18th- my late FIL's.
Any later than that and you're in deep "Birthday AND Christmas present'' territory.
Not that you would ever do that.

Posted by: Sal at July 25, 2021 07:03 PM (Uu3D6)

197 Ladyl, Hugs and thank you.

Posted by: Ben Had at July 25, 2021 07:03 PM (qNoeu)

198 GWB - ThanX! and I'll pass that compliment on to Giggles. She made that up out of her own little head!

McGyver, over

Posted by: McGyver at July 25, 2021 07:03 PM (Iw46i)

199 Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 25, 2021 07:02 PM (mcfjc)
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Drive really, really fast and they won't have as much opportunity to catch you.

Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2021 07:04 PM (MVjcR)

200 McGyver

Great website by your wife.

You are a very fortunate man, and I'll bet luck had nothing to do with that.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at July 25, 2021 07:04 PM (u82oZ)

201 Drive really, really fast and they won't have as much opportunity to catch you.

Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2021 07:04 PM (MVjcR)

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Remember: the stop signs with the white border are optional!

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 25, 2021 07:04 PM (llXky)

202 Thank you for the kind words, Weasel. But you really shouldn't have used Mr. bluebell's photo without permission.

I'll let it slide.

Posted by: bluebell at July 25, 2021 07:05 PM (W+GRS)

203 I got to meet Weasel Woman, Weasel Dog and Fun Sized Joe.

I'm in love with them all!

Posted by: Ladyl at July 25, 2021 07:05 PM (TdMsT)

204 In Michigan you are required to inform a police officer you are a cpl holder and the status of carrying if you have an official interaction with them. I.E. a traffic stop, or as a witness to a crime. In a casual meeting, no.

Posted by: Jen the original at July 25, 2021 07:05 PM (s+KYE)

205 Posted by: Ben Had at July 25, 2021 06:54 PM (qNoeu)

Thanks Ben Had! I'm positive it will be cool too, especially when Weasel started telling me about the selection he had at his disposal!

Posted by: Thicc Boi at July 25, 2021 07:05 PM (zThcc)

206 I'll let it slide.
Posted by: bluebell at July 25, 2021 07:05 PM (W+GRS)
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Schwoo!

Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2021 07:05 PM (MVjcR)

207 Oh--and Lucy, too. She has stripes which is my requirement for cats!

Posted by: Ladyl at July 25, 2021 07:05 PM (TdMsT)

208 "40 Days until the new Iron Maiden album"

OMG!!!
RUN TO THE HILLS!!!!!!!!

Posted by: SFGoth at July 25, 2021 07:06 PM (KAi1n)

209 Drive really, really fast and they won't have as much opportunity to catch you.

Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2021 07:04 PM (MVjcR)

Excellent advise!! Thanks!!!!!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 25, 2021 07:06 PM (mcfjc)

210 It is Mrs. Zod here.

It was terrific to be among you yesterday. There were many good conversations with good folks, thank you for making me feel welcome. Great to meet readmindbluestate, bluebell, EdL, Draki, Boone, Bluebell, Rob and his wife, and of course, Weasel. Great food, terrific conversation and love the breeze on a July day.

Posted by: Mrs. ZOD at July 25, 2021 07:06 PM (xK9An)

211 The only 'cause coffee' we buy is Mystic Monk, for the occasional treat. Good coffee and it supports the Carmelites.

Posted by: Sal at July 25, 2021 07:06 PM (Uu3D6)

212 203 I got to meet Weasel Woman, Weasel Dog and Fun Sized Joe.

I'm in love with them all!
Posted by: Ladyl at July 25, 2021 07:05 PM (TdMsT)
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They all said the same about you! WD apologies for "the incident"

Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2021 07:07 PM (MVjcR)

213 Remember: the stop signs with the white border are optional!


Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 25, 2021 07:04 PM (llXky)

Heck, my understanding the speed limit is just a suggestion.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 25, 2021 07:07 PM (mcfjc)

214 Posted by: a.moron at July 25, 2021 06:55 PM (I5FZ1)


Hey dere! I'm guaranteed to be closer to you than the Denver MoMe, lol!

Posted by: pookysgirl, currently being attacked by a stuffed squid at July 25, 2021 07:07 PM (XKZwp)

215 @183 all this stuff about travel with guns has me thinking about my app again.

If you go to USCCA site they have. Reciprocity map and a duty to inform map but they are different pages.

So recently I travelled through SC with my concealed carry and was stopped by a sheriff on revenue duty on the interstate. I did not inform him I was carrying as I figured that would unnecessarily complicate our discussion. But later (after discussion here in the gub thread!) I looked it up and SC is a duty to inform state. So it could have gone badly.

Posted by: blaster at July 25, 2021 07:07 PM (eN2PK)

216 Posted by: PacosMojo at July 25, 2021 06:48 PM (1Fv0G)


OUCH!
I obsessively place things in the range bags the day before. THEN obsessively go over them again the day of. THEN wander around for a moment before leaving while I think of what I might have left behind.

Posted by: GWB at July 25, 2021 07:07 PM (IVYWX)

217 She has stripes which is my requirement for cats!
Posted by: Ladyl

Why do you require stripes?

Posted by: SFGoth at July 25, 2021 07:08 PM (KAi1n)

218 {{{Ben Had}}}

You generosity to the NOVAMOME attendees was incredible!

Posted by: Ladyl at July 25, 2021 07:08 PM (TdMsT)

219 if you have an official interaction with them. I.E. a traffic stop, or as a witness to a crime. In a casual meeting, no.
Posted by: Jen the original at July 25, 2021 07:05 PM (s+KYE)

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This.

In NC (and I'd assume anywhere) you don't have to interrupt their lunch to tell them you're armed.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - science means that the COVID is adapting mostly to the vaccine at July 25, 2021 07:08 PM (e6I/s)

220 40 Days until the new Iron Maiden album"

OMG!!!
RUN TO THE HILLS!!!!!!!!
Posted by: SFGoth at July 25, 2021 07:06 PM (KAi1n)

Run for your life!

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at July 25, 2021 07:08 PM (s3BR3)

221 Posted by: Mrs. ZOD at July 25, 2021 07:06 PM (xK9An)
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The pleasure was all mine. Great to meet and have a chance to chat with you!

Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2021 07:08 PM (MVjcR)

222 what a different world ... back in the 80's, in the heart of Chicago, I would strap the cased 870 on my bike and ride thru Lincoln Park to the lakefront trap / skeet range.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (T/XHv) at July 25, 2021 07:08 PM (T/XHv)

223 Does a CCW show up when an LEO runs a plate and the registered owner pops up? Do they already know you're probably carrying?
Posted by: nurse ratched at July 25, 2021 06:49 PM (U2p+3)


In Virginia, yes. Probably some other places. But not everywhere.

Posted by: GWB at July 25, 2021 07:08 PM (IVYWX)

224 217 She has stripes which is my requirement for cats!
Posted by: Ladyl

Why do you require stripes?
Posted by: SFGoth at July 25, 2021 07:08 PM (KAi1n)


I just do!

Posted by: Ladyl at July 25, 2021 07:08 PM (TdMsT)

225 The speed limit is an over/under line.

Posted by: SFGoth at July 25, 2021 07:09 PM (KAi1n)

226 {bluebell}

LOL. He cleans up well.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at July 25, 2021 07:09 PM (u82oZ)

227 I just do!
Posted by: Ladyl

Do you ever dream about being a cat?

Posted by: SFGoth at July 25, 2021 07:09 PM (KAi1n)

228 I no-joke thought that lowest photo was a Hunter Biden laptop photo until I saw the AOS card.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - science means that the COVID is adapting mostly to the vaccine at July 25, 2021 07:09 PM (e6I/s)

229 212 203 I got to meet Weasel Woman, Weasel Dog and Fun Sized Joe.

I'm in love with them all!
Posted by: Ladyl at July 25, 2021 07:05 PM (TdMsT)
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They all said the same about you! WD apologies for "the incident"
Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2021 07:07 PM (MVjcR)


What incident? Weasel Dog is a love!

Posted by: Ladyl at July 25, 2021 07:10 PM (TdMsT)

230 In Kansas they put your CCP status on the drivers license.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at July 25, 2021 07:10 PM (u82oZ)

231 Some states have carry permission on the driver's license, some have it in a database, and some do not have a centralized database. Some states require informing officers upon a stop that you are carrying, some do not.

There is an annual edition of the Gun Laws of the 50 States that is not that costly and very useful to avoid problems when you travel. https://tinyurl.com/mye5rm7p You can also find some of the info via an online website for example this: https://tinyurl.com/3pjsjabk or state level carry groups for particular states.

Make sure that you know the prohibited places in each state and also if traveling in some states, you may need to alter your ammo selection or ship the firearms ahead of you via FFL.

Posted by: whig at July 25, 2021 07:10 PM (pO7gM)

232 NaCly Dog "You are a very fortunate man, and I'll bet luck had nothing to do with that." I took her for a motorcycle ride along the Mosel and we drank "federwein" and ate "zwiebelkuchen" and saw castles and stuff. And I am a silver tongued devil. Been together for 20 years now, which is better than the first two tries

McGyver, over

Posted by: McGyver at July 25, 2021 07:10 PM (Iw46i)

233
Do you ever dream about being a cat?
Posted by: SFGoth at July 25, 2021 07:09 PM (KAi1n)


No. I have no stripes...

Posted by: Ladyl at July 25, 2021 07:10 PM (TdMsT)

234
What incident? Weasel Dog is a love!
Posted by: Ladyl at July 25, 2021 07:10 PM (TdMsT)
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She's a good girl!

Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2021 07:11 PM (MVjcR)

235 I have heard NJ has taps into other state CCW databases and they will pull out of staters who have CCWs. I don't know if that is true or internet rumor.

Posted by: blaster at July 25, 2021 07:11 PM (eN2PK)

236 It was terrific to be among you yesterday. There were many good conversations with good folks, thank you for making me feel welcome. Great to meet readmindbluestate, bluebell, EdL, Draki, Boone, Bluebell, Rob and his wife, and of course, Weasel. Great food, terrific conversation and love the breeze on a July day.
Posted by: Mrs. ZOD at July 25, 2021 07:06 PM (xK9An)
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You forgot to mention me!

Posted by: bluebell at July 25, 2021 07:11 PM (wyw4S)

237
What incident? Weasel Dog is a love!
Posted by: Ladyl at July 25, 2021 07:10 PM (TdMsT)
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She's a good girl!
Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2021 07:11 PM (MVjcR)


And cute as hell!!!

Posted by: Ladyl at July 25, 2021 07:12 PM (TdMsT)

238 Bif @ 180- My brother, that AR and 1911 you shot belonged to hogmartin. The M1A belonged to RancherBob. The Star belonged to Ben Had. My firearm, which looked suspiciously looked like a G17 but was not a G17, I cleared and let everybody fondle and lust after, but it was not fired. Because zombie likely between ranch and home. Only one I shot was Ben Had's Star, and it flung a stout craving on me.

Posted by: Eromero at July 25, 2021 07:12 PM (0OP+5)

239 I haven't flown since 2015?
Never had an issue - one time the screener asked if I was .gov since I was checking some scary black guns of various sizes - from RI.
Coming back from TX - no sweat.
Trying to decide what I will bring to Ben Had's.
Probably my 6.5 and a suitable side arm. In a Texas size caliber.

Posted by: RI Red - (z5WJZ) at July 25, 2021 07:12 PM (z5WJZ)

240 Oh, btw, be very careful about hauling long arms around loaded, both from a safety perspective and from a legal perspective. A large number of states allow loaded pistols to be carried in vehicles but are not so friendly as to loaded long arms.

For the few of you with NFA category arms, you have special procedures for going out of state with them but you should already know those anyway.

Posted by: whig at July 25, 2021 07:13 PM (pO7gM)

241
What incident? Weasel Dog is a love!
Posted by: Ladyl at July 25, 2021 07:10 PM (TdMsT)
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She's a good girl!
Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2021 07:11 PM (MVjcR)


And cute as hell!!!
Posted by: Ladyl at July 25, 2021 07:12 PM (TdMsT)
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FSJ misses the belly rubs.

Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2021 07:13 PM (MVjcR)

242 As for the ammo situation, it's mixed. Stuff is in the stores, but mostly rifle caliber. Pistol ammo is almost random in terms of what's on the shelf.

Since I last posted here, I added 9mm Steyr my collection. You know, it is *almost* the same as 9mm Largo, but not quite. Fascinating how that worked out.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 25, 2021 07:13 PM (llXky)

243 NC and some other South East states have always had some squirrely laws about CCW. "One was the rule about no carry in a "place that charges admission". I won't get into the reason they made them so complicated but you can guess them. I recall when Virginia was pretty clean on CCW. I still think they haven't changed the state laws in a major way though the cities and municipalities can run roughshod. That is a recent thing, like in the last three years.

In VA, last i checked there is no duty to inform. I know they can tell from you license plate so they know. I was only pulled over once and I mentioned I had a CCW. The cop nodded I think and that was it.

I recall when they finally got CCW in Ohio they made a real stink about this. As I recall, you could get in actual trouble for not informing immediately. That Ohio stuff was weird for the first few years.

Posted by: Quint at July 25, 2021 07:14 PM (F2/Ok)

244 Until Eromero let me shoot his 1911.

I also got to take a shot or three with Eromero's new red dot on his ar15, at the 10o yard lane.
Posted by: BifBewalski (VcFUs) on the road - (71N/p) at July 25, 2021 06:58 PM (71N/p)


(those were mine, Eromero was the good-looking one)

Very nice to meet you! That was fun, and a lot closer to home than I had realized.

Posted by: hogmartin at July 25, 2021 07:14 PM (ghoDT)

245 Great job by Bluebell and Weasel putting together the event. It was a great time and it was good to meet a number of you there.

Posted by: Boone at July 25, 2021 07:14 PM (S6Wko)

246 It was terrific to be among you yesterday. There were many good conversations with good folks, thank you for making me feel welcome. Great to meet readmindbluestate, bluebell, EdL, Draki, Boone, Bluebell, Rob and his wife, and of course, Weasel. Great food, terrific conversation and love the breeze on a July day.

Posted by: Mrs. ZOD at July 25, 2021 07:06 PM (xK9An)


She really likes bluebell.

Posted by: GnuBreed at July 25, 2021 07:15 PM (F0YaR)

247 Ammo Overpenetration article: If I remember correctly, "Mythbusters" did an episode (second to last season?) called "Shooting Through Walls." The myth tested was whether a hitman could hit his target by shooting through a wall. Using a Beretta 92 (M9 pistol), the Mythbusters shot 9mm full metal jacket ammo at a representative variety of stand ins for walls (lathe and plaster, drywall...) and things embedded in walls (electrical boxes, plumbing conduits) to see if they could hit a steel target behind the "wall." Not surprisingly, 9mm FMJ went through everything easily. Only a direct hit on an electrical box or piping stopped the bullet from going through to hit the steel beyond.

Posted by: Ed L at July 25, 2021 07:16 PM (7je7d)

248 Posted by: Mrs. ZOD at July 25, 2021 07:06 PM

Great to meet and chat with you and Zod as well!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 25, 2021 07:16 PM (rBtIz)

249 In a Texas size caliber.
Posted by: RI Red - (z5WJZ) at July 25, 2021 07:12 PM


They generally start with a .4

1x mm if you're into that metric stuff.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 25, 2021 07:16 PM (a3Q+t)

250 She really likes bluebell.
Posted by: GnuBreed at July 25, 2021 07:15 PM (F0YaR)


Good for the health, that.

Posted by: hogmartin at July 25, 2021 07:17 PM (ghoDT)

251 250 She really likes bluebell.
Posted by: GnuBreed at July 25, 2021 07:15 PM (F0YaR)

Good for the health, that.
Posted by: hogmartin at July 25, 2021 07:17 PM (ghoDT)
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Really cannot be too careful.

Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2021 07:17 PM (MVjcR)

252 Not saying Iron Maiden is getting a bit long in the tooth, but I hear their new name is Iron Old Maid.

Posted by: qdpsteve at July 25, 2021 07:17 PM (L2ZTs)

253 Pennsylvania law is that during a traffic stop you do not have to tell a police officer if you have a firearm - but I do not know if that's true if the cop asks you.

I dont get stopped often and I've never been asked.

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at July 25, 2021 07:18 PM (oEn12)

254 Not surprisingly, 9mm FMJ went through everything
easily. Only a direct hit on an electrical box or piping stopped the
bullet from going through to hit the steel beyond.

Posted by: Ed L at July 25, 2021 07:16 PM (7je7d)

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Paul Harrell has a series of videos about household items and whether they stop bullets. He also does one with mattresses and a good with with cars (hint: engine block and wheels, the rest is just concealment).

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 25, 2021 07:18 PM (llXky)

255 New names for Iron Maiden:

- Iron Rusty

- Iron Old Maid

- Iron Cougar

Posted by: qdpsteve at July 25, 2021 07:18 PM (L2ZTs)

256 A big thank you to everyone there for helping a nervous newcomer feel welcome and joining in the conversation. Big thumbs up for the food and venue.
Posted by: Ed L at July 25, 2021 06:47 PM (7je7d)
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Hello there! I'm glad you delurked. Very nice to meet you, and thank you for your help!

Posted by: bluebell at July 25, 2021 07:18 PM (wyw4S)

257 I mentioned you twice, Bluebell, as you were the delight of my day!

Posted by: Mrs ZOD at July 25, 2021 07:18 PM (xK9An)

258 . Only one I shot was Ben Had's Star, and it flung a stout craving on me.
Posted by: Eromero at July 25, 2021 07:12 PM (0OP+5)

Yeah, I want one of those as well. But then i would have to start another ammo stock pile of 3,000 rounds for the pipe. Which would make me 9mm curious for other hand guns that weren't shot, fat, and slow. Thus eqch would need 3,000 rounds in the asp. First world problems. Whe your floor joists that were good to go with a pool table cannot hang with your asp weight.

Enjoyed meeting you, thank you for letting Ben Had twist your arm to come today.

Posted by: BifBewalski (VcFUs) on the road - (71N/p) at July 25, 2021 07:18 PM (71N/p)

259 bluebell is in the house. Dear Lady , you create so many good memories for so many people. Thank You will always be too small.

Posted by: Ben Had at July 25, 2021 07:19 PM (qNoeu)

260 I see Mrs. ZOD is quite the diplomat!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at July 25, 2021 07:19 PM (2SdPm)

261 Mrs. SOB was taking an Uber to catch the AMTRAK on board MCB Quantico. She presented her dependent ID to the Renta-Cop at the main gate. He checked it, told her she needed to get it renewed, and then said, "Ma'am, the database indicates you have a CCW. Are you carrying a weapon?" The Uber driver just about shit his pants. She wasn't carrying, but I wonder what database(s) they checked - it had to have included her Virginia Driver's license as well.

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at July 25, 2021 07:20 PM (296EQ)

262 A big thank you to everyone there for helping a nervous newcomer feel welcome and joining in the conversation. Big thumbs up for the food and venue.
Posted by: Ed L at July 25, 2021 06:47 PM (7je7d)
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Absolutely. Don't be a stranger, now!

Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2021 07:20 PM (MVjcR)

263 My water gun buddies, and you know who you are! I will get you my little pretties...next time...supersoaker

Posted by: Mrs ZOD at July 25, 2021 07:20 PM (xK9An)

264 Cheapest backstop is a bookshelf loaded with books. Those stop a surprising variety of rounds. You can also fairly easily make clearing barrels for a home range that will handle most handgun rounds.

Posted by: whig at July 25, 2021 07:20 PM (pO7gM)

265 142 Yup. Some of that hotter European .32 fmj for submachine guns. Maybe that Lehigh cavitation stuff, if substance matches marketing.

Posted by: callsign claymore at July 25, 2021 07:20 PM (mqMR+)

266 Cheapest backstop is a bookshelf loaded with books.
Those stop a surprising variety of rounds. You can also fairly easily
make clearing barrels for a home range that will handle most handgun
rounds.

Posted by: whig at July 25, 2021 07:20 PM (pO7gM)

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*Senses psychic scream on the book thread*

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 25, 2021 07:22 PM (llXky)

267 Hey EdL - great talking with you. Glad to see us both on board.

Posted by: Mrs ZOD at July 25, 2021 07:22 PM (xK9An)

268 Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2021 06:33 PM (MVjcR)

My HQ apprentice (I claim her, but Inspector, Brother Tim, and V the K, all encouraged her to try the HQ) attended and says she had a goid time. I know she was looking forward to meeting Gingy since it was Gingy's Twitter that initially introduced us.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at July 25, 2021 07:22 PM (1lKRm)

269 (those were mine, Eromero was the good-looking one)

Very nice to meet you! That was fun, and a lot closer to home than I had realized.
Posted by: hogmartin at July 25, 2021 07:14 PM (ghoDT)

Mea Culpa! I did enjoy shooting it! Maybe next time i get in the region i'll be able to reciprocate with my weapons so you and Eromero can shoot those.

Pleasure meeting you today. This experience is giving me motivation to eat the 770 mile one-way trip to Mom's more frequently.

Posted by: BifBewalski (VcFUs) on the road - (71N/p) at July 25, 2021 07:22 PM (71N/p)

270 Mrs VIA and I hd a wonderful time yesterday.

We had forgotten what it was like to simply enjoy time with like minded folk.

Not even a real need to discuss politics.

Just simply being with friends.

Tank you all for a wonderful time.

Posted by: Reuben Clamzo at July 25, 2021 07:23 PM (snOKo)

271 I didn't realize until we were halfway home that I'd neglected to shoot the Star, because I'm not good at remembering things, or things. It looked an awful lot like someone started to make a CZ-72 and switched to a Hi-Power halfway through, so think I'd have liked it.

Was the safety really 'up' for safe, though? I don't know if I could get past that if it were for carry.

Posted by: hogmartin at July 25, 2021 07:23 PM (ghoDT)

272 142 Yup. Some of that hotter European .32 fmj for
submachine guns. Maybe that Lehigh cavitation stuff, if substance
matches marketing.

Posted by: callsign claymore at July 25, 2021 07:20 PM (mqMR+)


i don't know about submachine guns. But the .32 Fiocchi in 73 grain has been highly regarded for decades among mouse owners.

Posted by: Quint at July 25, 2021 07:23 PM (F2/Ok)

273 Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at July 25, 2021 07:22 PM (1lKRm)
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Excellent!

Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2021 07:23 PM (MVjcR)

274 *Senses psychic scream on the book thread*
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 25, 2021 07:22 PM (llXky)
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eh, anything by Baldacci, Lenin, Marx, Hegel, and, you're good to go!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at July 25, 2021 07:23 PM (2SdPm)

275 Be off, you old folk song sock.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice. Asymptomatic raycist at July 25, 2021 07:23 PM (snOKo)

276 That's enough.

Order Is Restored.

Posted by: ZOD at July 25, 2021 07:24 PM (xK9An)

277 Eromero, don't go searching. I have a gift for you.

Posted by: Ben Had at July 25, 2021 07:24 PM (qNoeu)

278 Yup. Some of that hotter European .32 fmj for
submachine guns. Maybe that Lehigh cavitation stuff, if substance
matches marketing.

Posted by: callsign claymore at July 25, 2021 07:20 PM (mqMR+)

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I'll say this: it's a snappy, potent round. I understand its enduring popularity as a close-quarters round. The guns that use it are very compact and quite controllable with one hand. We had some cardboard packing tubes and the .32 was punching through just as well as the .38 Special. Slightly smaller holes but not that smaller - and you got more holes for the same size and weight.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 25, 2021 07:24 PM (llXky)

279 Sadly, I must go for tonight. Duty calls and it's an early wakeup for me. ThanX! Horde and again to all the MoMe folks and to Weasel for the amazing content as always! 'nite, all

McGyver, out

Posted by: McGyver at July 25, 2021 07:24 PM (Iw46i)

280 I remember driving home from last year's VaMoMe and just having a sigh of relief that there were still normal people around.
For certain degrees of normal, of course.

Posted by: RI Red - (z5WJZ) at July 25, 2021 07:25 PM (z5WJZ)

281 Posted by: McGyver at July 25, 2021 07:24 PM (Iw46i)
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See you next week, bro!

Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2021 07:25 PM (MVjcR)

282 Cheapest backstop is a bookshelf loaded with books.
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*Senses psychic scream on the book thread*


Nah, I'm sure he only means those bookshelves loaded with books chosen by interior decorators for size and color. Pretty sure everybody on the book thread would be OK with shooting those.

Posted by: Oddbob at July 25, 2021 07:25 PM (nfrXX)

283 "I didn't realize until we were halfway home that I'd neglected to shoot the Star, "


Which Star do you have?

I have about four of the Model B's, and really enjoy them.
But firing pin fractures are a known issue with them, so I had multiple spares made several years ago.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice. Asymptomatic raycist at July 25, 2021 07:25 PM (snOKo)

284 For the record, Weasel, I was just joshing about the cooties.

Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at July 25, 2021 07:26 PM (OssQ4)

285 eh, anything by Baldacci, Lenin, Marx, Hegel, and, you're good to go!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at July 25, 2021 07:23 PM (2SdPm)

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The collected works of Jonah Goldberg stacked with the Dragonlance Chronicles.

But I repeat myself.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 25, 2021 07:26 PM (llXky)

286
Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at July 25, 2021 07:26 PM (OssQ4)
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Ha!

Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2021 07:26 PM (MVjcR)

287 Ben Had, thank you for your very generous donation which enabled every MoMe participant you get a free raffle ticket. So very generous and so much appreciated!

Blake, those cutting boards were GORGEOUS. You have quite the talent. Very kind of you to send the butcher block conditioner too. And I made sure each very lucky winner got a copy of your letter too.

Jewells, what can I say? Your stuff is always a big hit! Just beautiful as always, and the winners were very happy that they can always have a beautiful bit of the Horde with them.

Thank you, thank you, thank you!

Posted by: bluebell at July 25, 2021 07:27 PM (wyw4S)

288 Which Star do you have?
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice. Asymptomatic raycist at July 25, 2021 07:25 PM (snOKo)


Haven't got one. But there was one there.

Posted by: hogmartin at July 25, 2021 07:27 PM (ghoDT)

289 What are the five rules according to Ayoob?

Posted by: BourbonChicken at July 25, 2021 07:27 PM (ybIRR)

290 Bif, what an absolute pleasure it was to meet you. You are welcome any time.

Posted by: Ben Had at July 25, 2021 07:27 PM (qNoeu)

291 I remember driving home from last year's VaMoMe and just having a sigh of relief that there were still normal people around.
For certain degrees of normal, of course.
Posted by: RI Red - (z5WJZ) at July 25, 2021 07:25 PM (z5WJZ)
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We really missed you and Mrs. RI Red. Hope things are as good as can be expected.

Posted by: bluebell at July 25, 2021 07:28 PM (wyw4S)

292 I have to say that I'm interested in having a .45 ACP, but I really don't want one like everyone else's. The Spanish ones intrigue me.
Must get more Astras.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 25, 2021 07:28 PM (llXky)

293 That Deplorable SOB Van Owen @ 261- You just answered a question BibBewalski and I talked about today. Base gate sentries used to ask stuff like 'Any weapons?' and I'd always said 'Nope.' because all I carried were specialized tools. Since all I need to do on a military base is renew Mrs. E's ID, I think you for your up to date info.

Posted by: Eromero at July 25, 2021 07:28 PM (0OP+5)

294 266 Cheapest backstop is a bookshelf loaded with books.
Those stop a surprising variety of rounds. You can also fairly easily
make clearing barrels for a home range that will handle most handgun
rounds.

Posted by: whig at July 25, 2021 07:20 PM (pO7gM)

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*Senses psychic scream on the book thread*
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 25, 2021 07:22 PM (llXky)
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Can confirm that they do stop crossbow bolts if tightly packed with tomes of substance. The back piece on your typical Ikea shelving wouldn't stop harsh language.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at July 25, 2021 07:29 PM (Dc2NZ)

295 I gave the wrong email to Iris. It's actually

Zod imperial at gee male dot cum.

Hope she responds. Dinner on Zods.

Message in a dottle.

Posted by: ZOD at July 25, 2021 07:29 PM (xK9An)

296
i don't know about submachine guns. But the .32 Fiocchi in 73 grain has been highly regarded for decades among mouse owners.
Posted by: Quint at July 25, 2021 07:23 PM (F2/Ok)

I run that round through my 1938 walther ppk. It was a war trophy that my dad horse traded someone for in return for a quad/sid-by-side mechanical repair about ten years ago. Great weapon, excellemt ammo. I've traced the serial number of the ppk to a known bulk unit issue to the german army military police in 1938.

Posted by: BifBewalski (VcFUs) on the road - (71N/p) at July 25, 2021 07:29 PM (71N/p)

297 Bluebell, the missus and I really missed you. And Mr. b. And Weasel. And WW, whom we have never met.
And everybody.

Posted by: RI Red - (z5WJZ) at July 25, 2021 07:29 PM (z5WJZ)

298 Blake, those cutting boards were GORGEOUS. You have quite the talent. Very kind of you to send the butcher block conditioner too. And I made sure each very lucky winner got a copy of your letter too.

Jewells, what can I say? Your stuff is always a big hit! Just beautiful as always, and the winners were very happy that they can always have a beautiful bit of the Horde with them.

Thank you, thank you, thank you!
Posted by: bluebell at July 25, 2021 07:27 PM (wyw4S)

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Thanks, bluebell, I appreciate the feedback. But, the important question remains: Did I get enough AoS memes in the letter?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at July 25, 2021 07:29 PM (2SdPm)

299 So glad to hear everyone had a great NoVa Momee! Have not been to the range in a few weeks due to kitchen renovation and family gatherings. I have only started learning about guns and shooting since January, so my question for those who have years of experience: does the summer usually offer more distractions or does range time move to the outdoors?

Posted by: Gouverneur Morris at July 25, 2021 07:29 PM (PHxng)

300 Pecan-smoked baby back ribs, cole slaw, pickled red onion, jalapeno cornbread, if'n all want some.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 25, 2021 07:29 PM (a3Q+t)

301 RI Red,
You and your lovely wife were the highlight of the pre MoMe last year.
I hope to see you in Tx.

Posted by: nurse ratched at July 25, 2021 07:29 PM (U2p+3)

302 Tank you all for a wonderful time.
Posted by: Reuben Clamzo at July 25, 2021 07:23 PM (snOKo)
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Does VIA know you are trying to make off with his wife? For shame.

Posted by: bluebell at July 25, 2021 07:30 PM (wyw4S)

303 Oh yeah, ice-cold Shiner beer.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 25, 2021 07:30 PM (a3Q+t)

304 Can confirm that they do stop crossbow bolts if tightly packed with tomes of substance. The back piece on your typical Ikea shelving wouldn't stop harsh language.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at July 25, 2021 07:29 PM (Dc2NZ)

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Oh, they need to have substance? Well, that rules out Jonah Goldberg books, then.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 25, 2021 07:30 PM (llXky)

305 That MoMe looks like it was a blast! Glad for everyone involved, it's a beautiful thing.

Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at July 25, 2021 07:30 PM (OssQ4)

306 Internet is acting up here. Y'all have fun and thanks as always Weasel.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Juneteenth, because we needed another holiday celebrating white people being badass at July 25, 2021 07:31 PM (iDOL8)

307 Can confirm that they do stop crossbow bolts...

(* raises eyebrow *)

Posted by: Oddbob at July 25, 2021 07:31 PM (nfrXX)

308 Oh, they need to have substance? Well, that rules out Jonah Goldberg books, then.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 25, 2021 07:30 PM (llXky)
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Hah!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at July 25, 2021 07:31 PM (2SdPm)

309 Posted by: Gouverneur Morris at July 25, 2021 07:29 PM (PHxng)
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It really just depends on where you are located and whether or not outdoor ranges stay open for the winter.

Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2021 07:31 PM (MVjcR)

310 Did I get enough AoS memes in the letter?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at July 25, 2021 07:29 PM (2SdPm)
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I would say you did!

If I recall correctly, the the lucky winners were Iris, Hrothgar, and Ladyl.

Posted by: bluebell at July 25, 2021 07:31 PM (wyw4S)

311 267 Hey EdL - great talking with you. Glad to see us both on board.
Posted by: Mrs ZOD at July 25, 2021 07:22 PM (xK9An)

Same here.

Posted by: Ed L at July 25, 2021 07:31 PM (7je7d)

312 I found it in the comments:

1 Describe what happened
2 Say you will testify against the perp
3 Point out evidence before it gets disturbed
4 Point out witnesses
5 Answer no further questions

Posted by: BourbonChicken at July 25, 2021 07:32 PM (ybIRR)

313 i don't know about submachine guns. But the .32 Fiocchi in 73 grain has been highly regarded for decades among mouse owners.


Posted by: Quint at July 25, 2021 07:23 PM (F2/Ok)

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Didn't a .32 literally kill literal Hitler?

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 25, 2021 07:32 PM (llXky)

314 Speaking of book thread I saw the reco for moron William Alan Webb's Last Brigade books. Finished the first on will read second on the plane. Lots of gunny goodness. Also in the same space kinda as Kurt Schlichter but IMO much better written!

Posted by: blaster at July 25, 2021 07:32 PM (eN2PK)

315 Nurse, definitely looking forward to it.
I think I saw something about a deployment in your family. Godspeed and everything else.

Posted by: RI Red - (z5WJZ) at July 25, 2021 07:33 PM (z5WJZ)

316 290 Bif, what an absolute pleasure it was to meet you. You are welcome any time.
Posted by: Ben Had at July 25, 2021 07:27 PM (qNoeu)

You. ROCK!

I will be contacting you everytime i get down here in the future, even if i can only tag up and buy you a cuppa coffe on my way through. I was, and remain, humbled by your graciousness and hospitality to a complete stranger. Our Horde is the better for you being whom you are.

Posted by: BifBewalski (VcFUs) on the road - (71N/p) at July 25, 2021 07:33 PM (71N/p)

317 Hey EdL, congratulations on your deciding to be an active commenter! Now run on down to supply and get us a hundred feet of gun line.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at July 25, 2021 07:33 PM (kTF2Z)

318 Our Horde is the better for you being whom you are.
Posted by: BifBewalski (VcFUs) on the road - (71N/p) at July 25, 2021 07:33 PM (71N/p)


Hear, hear.

Posted by: hogmartin at July 25, 2021 07:34 PM (ghoDT)

319 307 Can confirm that they do stop crossbow bolts...

(* raises eyebrow *)
Posted by: Oddbob at July 25, 2021 07:31 PM (nfrXX)
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There may have been alcohol involved.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at July 25, 2021 07:34 PM (Dc2NZ)

320 Hey EdL, congratulations on your deciding to be an
active commenter! Now run on down to supply and get us a hundred feet
of gun line.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at July 25, 2021 07:33 PM (kTF2Z)

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If they act like they don't know what that is, ask for flight line. That's always in stock.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 25, 2021 07:35 PM (llXky)

321 Zod: I just tried again. I wonder if someone will respond to my first email....

Posted by: Iris at July 25, 2021 07:35 PM (6lKe4)

322 Posted by: Duke Lowell at July 25, 2021 07:33 PM (kTF2Z)
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And some prop wash.

Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2021 07:35 PM (MVjcR)

323 hogmartin, I will let it slide that you neglected us this year, since you recently moved and all, but next time, well, you know.

Posted by: bluebell at July 25, 2021 07:35 PM (wyw4S)

324 hogmartin, I will let it slide that you neglected us this year, since you recently moved and all, but next time, well, you know.
Posted by: bluebell at July 25, 2021 07:35 PM (wyw4S)
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Better listen, bro. I've seen this before.

Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2021 07:36 PM (MVjcR)

325 Sounds like a blast. I have to muster up the courage to attend a MoMe.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp - Biden Is Not My President at July 25, 2021 07:37 PM (XSRBF)

326 Question...
Why would you tell a PO you have a CCW and are strapped? Especially
if you're pulled over for something stupid, like a tail light out, or
equally stupid shit.



You're under no obligation IIRC.



Seems like an unnecessary bag o' worms to me.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 25, 2021 06:52 PM


In some States you have a duty to inform, if you don't and things go south you will lose your permit and be charged.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at July 25, 2021 07:37 PM (JUOKG)

327 I am super bummed that I can't be at WDS's CO Morondezvous in few weeks. I've been to two previous events that she hosted, and they were so fun. Met an yuge bunch of really wonderful 'rons and 'ettes.

On the plus side, me and my lovely Bride will be in Texas this October. We are actually planning a long vacation that ends with the TX MoMe.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, (x8Wzq) Unassuming Gentleman at July 25, 2021 07:37 PM (x8Wzq)

328 307 Can confirm that they do stop crossbow bolts...

(* raises eyebrow *)
Posted by: Oddbob at July 25, 2021 07:31 PM (nfrXX)

Yeah. Bet it won't stop a long bow.

Posted by: BifBewalski (VcFUs) on the road - (71N/p) at July 25, 2021 07:37 PM (71N/p)

329 Posted by: Wyatt Earp - Biden Is Not My President at July 25, 2021 07:37 PM (XSRBF)
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You really should. They are a lot of fun!

Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2021 07:37 PM (MVjcR)

330 Thing about carrying a loaded handgun in your car.

I have a genuine fear of being surrounded in my car by unfriendliness on the streets in seattle.

4wd gets you out of some stuff, but if a thug breaks a window and tried to reach through.....

I have the right to defend myself. And they broke the law first.

Posted by: nurse ratched at July 25, 2021 07:38 PM (U2p+3)

331 And some prop wash.
Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2021 07:35 PM (MVjcR)
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Blinker fluid.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at July 25, 2021 07:38 PM (2SdPm)

332 EdL, we're almost out of Gama Goat feed. Best get some of that too.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at July 25, 2021 07:38 PM (kTF2Z)

333 278 Yes, .32 ACP is a very good caliber.

Posted by: callsign claymore at July 25, 2021 07:39 PM (mqMR+)

334 hogmartin, I will let it slide that you neglected us this year, since you recently moved and all, but next time, well, you know.
Posted by: bluebell at July 25, 2021 07:35 PM (wyw4S)


I'll be there! I didn't miss it lightly, for sure.

Posted by: hogmartin at July 25, 2021 07:40 PM (ghoDT)

335 The ammo supply around here doesn't seem much better but things seem to be improving for ordering. Midsouth Shooters Supply has a sale on Hornady .308 150 grain FMJ bullets in bulk. I've got 500 coming since I can use them in 30-06 (M1917 and especially for the Garand), 308, and 30-30.

Never hand loaded for the Garand before but my supply of Greek ammo from CMP won't last forever.

Posted by: JTB at July 25, 2021 07:40 PM (7EjX1)

336 Rotor wash is a little harder to find.

Posted by: RI Red - (z5WJZ) at July 25, 2021 07:40 PM (z5WJZ)

337 Best are the phone books of yore or other reference books that have many thin pages and massive binding. A bookcase filled with paperbacks are not the best stopper but if in an apartment are better than a lot of other choices. Use the longitudinal side and obviously air spaces around the books are not conducive to stopping a bullet. You can upgrade their protection value at a slight cost using sheet metal.

Some of the other better stoppers of bullets and fragments come from highway tires.

Posted by: whig at July 25, 2021 07:40 PM (pO7gM)

338 324 hogmartin, I will let it slide that you neglected us this year, since you recently moved and all, but next time, well, you know.
Posted by: bluebell at July 25, 2021 07:35 PM (wyw4S)
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Better listen, bro. I've seen this before.
Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2021 07:36 PM (MVjcR)


Yikes,

Posted by: Ladyl at July 25, 2021 07:40 PM (TdMsT)

339 Anyone have any thoughts, as suggested above by pmacb, on asking to be taken to the ER after involvement in a self-defense use of force?

Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2021 07:40 PM (MVjcR)

340 Sounds like a blast. I have to muster up the courage to attend a MoMe.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp - Biden Is Not My President at July 25, 2021 07:37 PM (XSRBF)
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You certainly must. We are not as scary as the average clientele you deal with, in spite of what looks like evidence to the contrary.

And we had an attendee (who comes every year!) from your general area.

Posted by: bluebell at July 25, 2021 07:41 PM (wyw4S)

341 >>>You really should. They are a lot of fun!
Posted by: Weasel


Definitely gonna make it a priority.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp - Biden Is Not My President at July 25, 2021 07:41 PM (XSRBF)

342 I'm here. A little late as I had my grandkids here today to see my new place and took me a while to recover.Had a wonderful time yesterday seeing old friends and making some new ones. Had an excellent guns and ammo discussion with Jesse and GWB and learned a lot. Finally got to meet RedmindBluestate.(Hi!) Hope you can escape sometime soon.So happy to see Helena Handbasket who drove a great distance to be there. {{Hugs}} Safe travels.{{{Ladyl}}} my partner in crime.Then there is the local contingent.{{You know who you are}} So cool that we have managed to get together IRL a number of times.
Last but never least, a huge Thank you and lots of hugs to Bluebell and Weasel. I would not be here if not for last year's VAMoMe. You all changed my life. There are no words sufficient to express my gratitude.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at July 25, 2021 07:42 PM (Y+l9t)

343 >>>You certainly must. We are not as scary as the average clientele you deal with, in spite of what looks like evidence to the contrary.

Thanks bluebell

Posted by: Wyatt Earp - Biden Is Not My President at July 25, 2021 07:42 PM (XSRBF)

344 310 Did I get enough AoS memes in the letter?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at July 25, 2021 07:29 PM (2SdPm)
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I would say you did!

If I recall correctly, the the lucky winners were Iris, Hrothgar, and Ladyl.
Posted by: bluebell at July 25, 2021 07:31 PM (wyw4S)


Blake-- I got super lucky and got the cutting board I most admired. It is GORGEOUS!!! It will be used for the cheese and meat platters we make when we entertain!

Posted by: Ladyl at July 25, 2021 07:42 PM (TdMsT)

345 Rotor wash is a little harder to find.
Posted by: RI Red - (z5WJZ) at July 25, 2021 07:40 PM

Easier than a can of liquid squelch for the radio.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 25, 2021 07:42 PM (rBtIz)

346 I'll be there! I didn't miss it lightly, for sure.
Posted by: hogmartin at July 25, 2021 07:40 PM (ghoDT)
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Very good answer.

I like your new hash. I can't decide if I should pronounce it "goat" or "ghost with a speech impediment."

Posted by: bluebell at July 25, 2021 07:42 PM (wyw4S)

347 bluebell, I kept hogmartin from MoMe deprivation. You got Helena Handbasket to make up for it.

Posted by: Ben Had at July 25, 2021 07:42 PM (qNoeu)

348 317 Hey EdL, congratulations on your deciding to be an active commenter! Now run on down to supply and get us a hundred feet of gun line.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at July 25, 2021 07:33 PM (kTF2Z)

While I'm there, I'll sign for the adjutant's post and try to fill out the cannon report.

Posted by: Ed L at July 25, 2021 07:43 PM (7je7d)

349 Eromero, you are welcome. I was really surprised at the info the gate sentry had access to.

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at July 25, 2021 07:43 PM (296EQ)

350 339 Anyone have any thoughts, as suggested above by pmacb, on asking to be taken to the ER after involvement in a self-defense use of force?
Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2021 07:40 PM (MVjcR)

Being 29, and having a medical history of cardiac issues, i think this is a very good option to exercise.

Posted by: BifBewalski (VcFUs) on the road - (71N/p) at July 25, 2021 07:43 PM (71N/p)

351 {{{Sharon}}}

We sure have fun!

So glad your kids and grandlovies got to see your new place!

Posted by: Ladyl at July 25, 2021 07:43 PM (TdMsT)

352 EdL, we're almost out of Gama Goat feed. Best get some of that too.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at July 25, 2021 07:38 PM


hogmartin can probably direct you to where you can grab some backup sound powered telephone batteries.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 25, 2021 07:43 PM (a3Q+t)

353 Chani and I just got back from our first MoMe. Many thanks to bluebell and Weasel for all the work and time that went into this event. We loved meeting so many morons and getting to chat with some of you. Loved the double secret venue!

Posted by: Muad'dib at July 25, 2021 07:44 PM (F0aU4)

354
And cute as hell!!!
Posted by: Ladyl at July 25, 2021 07:12 PM (TdMsT)
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FSJ misses the belly rubs.
Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2021 07:13 PM (MVjcR)


Get on it, buddy!

Posted by: Ladyl at July 25, 2021 07:44 PM (TdMsT)

355 I don't know how much longer I can go without rubbing myself down with aloe vera and slipping between the sheets, so a heartfelt thank you to RancherBob and Cowgirl and family, Ben Had, hogmartin, and BifBewalski for a wholesome and clean use of resources. Looking forward to October!

Posted by: Eromero at July 25, 2021 07:44 PM (0OP+5)

356 Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at July 25, 2021 07:42 PM (Y+l9t)
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Always a pleasure to see you and Iris!!

Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2021 07:44 PM (MVjcR)

357 bluebell, I kept hogmartin from MoMe deprivation. You got Helena Handbasket to make up for it.
Posted by: Ben Had at July 25, 2021 07:42 PM (qNoeu)
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Yes, I was thrilled to have her there!

Posted by: bluebell at July 25, 2021 07:44 PM (wyw4S)

358 Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at July 25, 2021 07:42 PM

{{{Sharon}}}

Great to finally meet you. Looking forward to future MoMes!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 25, 2021 07:44 PM (rBtIz)

359 Nurse, this last week I was going to have to drive from NH to MA, pick up Mrs. R, then drive to upstate NY. I'm licensed in two of three, but it means being unarmed for the whole trip because of NY.
I feel completely unprotected in a vehicle if I am not armed. My pocket knife doesn't reach out very far.

Posted by: RI Red - (z5WJZ) at July 25, 2021 07:45 PM (z5WJZ)

360 Blake-- I got super lucky and got the cutting board I most admired. It is GORGEOUS!!! It will be used for the cheese and meat platters we make when we entertain!
Posted by: Ladyl at July 25, 2021 07:42 PM (TdMsT)
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You are more than welcome and I'm glad it worked out.

By the way, in case it isn't obvious, the email address is a valid address, if you have any questions that were not answered in the letter.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at July 25, 2021 07:45 PM (2SdPm)

361 Never hand loaded for the Garand before but my supply of Greek ammo from CMP won't last forever.

Posted by: JTB at July 25, 2021 07:40 PM (7EjX1)

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If you need components, drop me an email and maybe we can work a deal. My uncle dropped a trunkload of random casings, brass, primer and bullets on me 2 weeks ago and I'm still going through it. I remember there being a lot of .308 stuff. Also some .41 Magnum, which made me laugh.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 25, 2021 07:46 PM (llXky)

362 WD, FSJ and Lulu are all trying to occupy my lap at the same time!

Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2021 07:47 PM (MVjcR)

363 Chani and I just got back from our first MoMe. Many thanks to bluebell and Weasel for all the work and time that went into this event. We loved meeting so many morons and getting to chat with some of you. Loved the double secret venue!
Posted by: Muad'dib at July 25, 2021 07:44 PM (F0aU4)
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So wonderful to finally meet you and your lovely wife! Thank you again for making the NOOD mugs and giving us the fantastic syrup for door prizes. I foresee a lot of French toast in some lucky people's futures.

Posted by: bluebell at July 25, 2021 07:47 PM (wyw4S)

364 Sounds like a blast. I have to muster up the courage to attend a MoMe.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp - Biden Is Not My President at July 25, 2021 07:37 PM (XSRBF)
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You certainly must. We are not as scary as the average clientele you deal with, in spite of what looks like evidence to the contrary.
Posted by: bluebell at July 25, 2021 07:41 PM


It would be an anodyne for Diego.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 25, 2021 07:47 PM (a3Q+t)

365 I don't know how much longer I can go without
rubbing myself down with aloe vera and slipping between the sheets


Posted by: Eromero at July 25, 2021 07:44 PM (0OP+5)

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On other sites, this would be oversharing, but for the Moron Horde, this is a day ending in "y".

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 25, 2021 07:47 PM (llXky)

366 hogmartin can probably direct you to where you can grab some backup sound powered telephone batteries.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 25, 2021 07:43 PM (a3Q+t)


They're behind the relative bearing grease.

Posted by: hogmartin at July 25, 2021 07:48 PM (ghoDT)

367 Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 25, 2021 07:44 PM (rBtIz)
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RMBS - it was a pleasure to meet you!

Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2021 07:49 PM (MVjcR)

368 Blake - I was a lucky early winner and I scooped up one of your beautiful boards. Thank you so much!!

I seem to have misplaced the letter thought. **hangs head in shame**

Posted by: Iris at July 25, 2021 07:49 PM (6lKe4)

369 The above Massad Ayoob video is sponsored by Morries Wig Shop; 26 Queens Boulevard, Queens New York(Next To The Suite Night Club)phone# 212-555-HAIR

Don't Buy Wigs That Come Off At The Wrong Time!

Hurricane Tested

Posted by: JROD at July 25, 2021 07:50 PM (0jZnq)

370 Weasel @ 339- The ER visit is a really good idea, for all the reasons given. I would be specific which hospital if in my hometown (go where everybody knows your name SWIDT?), but if on the road any hospital will do. Mas Ayoob be da man.

Posted by: Eromero at July 25, 2021 07:50 PM (0OP+5)

371 We loved meeting so many morons and getting to chat with some of you.
Posted by: Muad'dib at July 25, 2021 07:44 PM (F0aU4)


I'm very sorry to have missed you again this year.

Posted by: hogmartin at July 25, 2021 07:50 PM (ghoDT)

372 Blake - I was a lucky early winner and I scooped up one of your beautiful boards. Thank you so much!!

I seem to have misplaced the letter thought. **hangs head in shame**
Posted by: Iris at July 25, 2021 07:49 PM (6lKe4)
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Well that's just fine and dandy!

Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2021 07:50 PM (MVjcR)

373 Also some .41 Magnum, which made me laugh.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 25, 2021 07:46 PM


Seriously, can you not recognize such a blazingly obvious sign?

Dude.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 25, 2021 07:51 PM (a3Q+t)

374 JTB, I load for my M1s (HXP is just about gone), and it's not hard, just a bit laborious to cranking out range fodder for handguns (which is most of my reloading).

Brass prep. Seems like house painting - about 80% of the work is prep, in this case brass prep. But you may already know all this. I've got a few hundred more twice-fired cases (deprimed, resized) to inspect and gauge before putting them away. Shooting remaining HXP, and my own reloads in once-fired HXP cases now.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at July 25, 2021 07:51 PM (OTzUX)

375 They're behind the relative bearing grease.
Posted by: hogmartin at July 25, 2021 07:48 PM (ghoDT)
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We're getting into Turbo Encabulator territory.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at July 25, 2021 07:51 PM (2SdPm)

376 Yes, .32 ACP is a very good caliber.

Posted by: callsign claymore at July 25, 2021 07:39 PM (mqMR+)

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All the people ripping on .32 as a "mouse gun" caliber are ignoring the fact that their patron saint of .45 ACP *also* designed the .32. John Browning knew what he was doing.

Six months ago, I picked up a ridiculously cheap Yugoslav .32 as a practice gun and it has not failed me in any way. Indeed, I've developed a deeper appreciation for the caliber and the many fine weapons chambered in it. If not for recurring, yet strangely unavoidable canoe accidents, I'd have quite the collection by now.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 25, 2021 07:51 PM (llXky)

377 Duncanthrax, not sure where you are, so can't say when I can get there, but would appreciate you setting aside a generous portion of those ribs and other items.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at July 25, 2021 07:52 PM (OTzUX)

378 347 bluebell, I kept hogmartin from MoMe deprivation. You got Helena Handbasket to make up for it.
Posted by: Ben Had at July 25, 2021 07:42 PM (qNoeu)


What a wonderful surprise that was!

Posted by: Ladyl at July 25, 2021 07:52 PM (TdMsT)

379 "laborious COMPARED to cranking out range fodder for handguns" - duh

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at July 25, 2021 07:53 PM (OTzUX)

380 339 Weasel, regarding the pmacb suggestion. I suspect that it is usual procedure for police shootings, opinions vary from what I've read for civilians. Obviously, you should check yourself or loved ones for injuries after a confrontation and if injured then the ambulance is the way to go. Sometimes adrenalin from the fight or flight rush can act to conceal the pain of injury.

Older people with medical issues should also be checked out. But then that leaves people who are not injured where opinions vary. Some hold that if nothing is found wrong with you that it could hurt your case. Others do not. What you do need to do is make sure that all cuts, bruises, etc. are thoroughly documented either by the officers on scene or the medical staff. This was important documentation of Zimmerman's head injuries that helped his self defense claims of being injured by Martin.

Posted by: whig at July 25, 2021 07:53 PM (pO7gM)

381
What a wonderful surprise that was!
Posted by: Ladyl at July 25, 2021 07:52 PM (TdMsT)
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Wasn't it though? I knew she was coming and it was still a great surprise!

Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2021 07:53 PM (MVjcR)

382 I seem to have misplaced the letter thought. **hangs head in shame**
Posted by: Iris at July 25, 2021 07:49 PM (6lKe4)
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Hey, I wrote the letter and managed to save something over the original, so, I no longer have a copy! I've sort of decided I need to hit up a lucky winner and see if they'll copy the letter and send it to me.

**joins in hanging head in shame**

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at July 25, 2021 07:54 PM (2SdPm)

383 Seriously, can you not recognize such a blazingly obvious sign?



Dude.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 25, 2021 07:51 PM (a3Q+t)

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It's a sign I need to sell it to someone with far more money than I have.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 25, 2021 07:54 PM (llXky)

384 if it's Brazilian, smile when you say that.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 25, 2021 06:57 PM (llXky)


Why would you wax your gun?

Posted by: GWB at July 25, 2021 07:54 PM (IVYWX)

385 ** Raises hand. Asks permission to leave the Barrel.

I checked the car again. The letter slid further under the seat that I thought possible.

Posted by: Iris at July 25, 2021 07:54 PM (6lKe4)

386 Posted by: whig at July 25, 2021 07:53 PM (pO7gM)
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Good points, but I really like the idea of un-assing the area.

Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2021 07:55 PM (MVjcR)

387 Why would you wax your gun?



Posted by: GWB at July 25, 2021 07:54 PM (IVYWX)

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Smoother action.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 25, 2021 07:55 PM (llXky)

388 Blake - I was a lucky early winner and I scooped up one of your beautiful boards. Thank you so much!!

I seem to have misplaced the letter thought. **hangs head in shame**
Posted by: Iris at July 25, 2021 07:49 PM (6lKe4)
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You're very welcome!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at July 25, 2021 07:55 PM (2SdPm)

389 I saw a meme once, a young Army private who proudly walked into the day room with a box labeled "grid squares."

Posted by: Pug Mahon, (x8Wzq) Unassuming Gentleman at July 25, 2021 07:56 PM (x8Wzq)

390 Anybody ordered ammo from Big Ivy Guns (bigivyguns.com) before?

Posted by: hogmartin at July 25, 2021 07:56 PM (ghoDT)

391 After a panic and shortage, normal pattern is, first, return of some supply (not much and at exorbitant prices), followed by more supply, with the start of a long softening in prices, until there is a new "normal" equilibrium.

Judging just by a few datapoints, I'd say that for ammo, we're well into the reappearance of supply/still high prices phase, though the price softening has begun.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at July 25, 2021 07:56 PM (OTzUX)

392 *trudges off to barrel vacated by Iris*

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at July 25, 2021 07:57 PM (2SdPm)

393 I checked the car again. The letter slid further under the seat that I thought possible.

Posted by: Iris at July 25, 2021 07:54 PM (6lKe4)
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*slides shiv back into holster*

Posted by: bluebell at July 25, 2021 07:57 PM (wyw4S)

394 Nurse,
Regarding your vehicle being surrounded. There are some evasive driving classes designed for executives going out of country to troubled areas that might be regrettably necessary in the near future.

To give room to maneuver at stoplights, always stop leave enough space to see the bottom of the tires of the vehicle in front of you and preferably be in the rh lane if in a dangerous area so you can cut off road. Left turn lanes are similar but a bit more risky to drive into oncoming traffic. Middle lanes are to be avoided.

Posted by: whig at July 25, 2021 07:57 PM (pO7gM)

395 I will tell you as much as I enjoy getting to visit with you all, it's fun just sitting back and watching all the people having a great time together.

Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2021 07:57 PM (MVjcR)

396 Hey GWB. Just tried to order ammo from that excellent link andthey won't ship to Montgomery Cty MD. WTH?It is just what I was looking for and great price.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at July 25, 2021 07:58 PM (Y+l9t)

397 W, et al.
Sounds like a great MoMe. Hopefully life stuff will not intrude next year.
Making my fall plans. No excuses!

Posted by: RI Red - (z5WJZ) at July 25, 2021 07:58 PM (z5WJZ)

398
Judging just by a few datapoints, I'd say that
for ammo, we're well into the reappearance of supply/still high prices
phase, though the price softening has begun.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at July 25, 2021 07:56 PM (OTzUX)

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Yes, but thanks to Bidenflation, the new normal will be higher than it was before Covid.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 25, 2021 07:58 PM (llXky)

399 Any later than that and you're in deep "Birthday AND Christmas present'' territory.
Not that you would ever do that.
Posted by: Sal at July 25, 2021 07:03 PM (Uu3D6)


My son's is 20 Dec. We always kept them separate, to the point I wouldn't put up Christmas decorations until after the 20th. Which turned into a tradition of "Dad buys a tree and puts up decorations on Christmas Eve."

Posted by: GWB at July 25, 2021 07:59 PM (IVYWX)

400 Does a CCW show up when an LEO runs a plate and the registered owner pops up? Do they already know you're probably carrying?
Posted by: nurse ratched at July 25, 2021 06:49 PM (U2p+3)
In Virginia, yes. Probably some other places. But not everywhere.
Posted by: GWB at July 25, 2021 07:08 PM (IVYWX)


I think in the extended NoVA area that information is shared with the District of Columbia for sure, and possibly with MD.
The one time I was pulled over in VA, the officer ran the plates and asked if I had weapons in the car, when I said "No!" which was true at that time, he went on to ticket me for other reasons, but gave the lowest form of speeding ticket possible!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at July 25, 2021 07:59 PM (hOUT3)

401 I will tell you as much as I enjoy getting to visit with you all, it's fun just sitting back and watching all the people having a great time together.
Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2021 07:57 PM (MVjcR)
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Seconded!

Posted by: bluebell at July 25, 2021 07:59 PM (wyw4S)

402 But the high prices for private sale firearms, judging only by one region, have not really begun to change. Probably below ridiculous levels that must have been seen in May of '20, and then November, but not "normal". One almost always sees good deals/mispriced guns on sale by private parties, but those have sort of disappeared. Not permanent I'm sure.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at July 25, 2021 07:59 PM (OTzUX)

403 Posted by: RI Red - (z5WJZ) at July 25, 2021 07:58 PM (z5WJZ)
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Missed you and the lovely Mrs. Red, but totally understand.

Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2021 07:59 PM (MVjcR)

404 Yes, but thanks to Bidenflation, the new normal will be higher than it was before Covid.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 25, 2021 07:58 PM (llXky)
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Yep.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at July 25, 2021 08:01 PM (2SdPm)

405 386 Weasel, from a tactical viewpoint, it would be advisable. The legal issue is that the reasonable use of force will have a court look at the whole record of the encounter and one of those issues is the credibility of the person who shot. A lot of thugs try to claim self defense due to jail house law school and that has poisoned the well in many urban areas for making these claims.

Posted by: whig at July 25, 2021 08:01 PM (pO7gM)

406 It's a sign I need to sell it to someone with far more money than I have.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 25, 2021 07:54 PM


No, it's a sign you've been called. You can join the brother- and sister-hood of those chosen by the .41 Magnum, whose strength, knowledge, affability, bon homme, and overall goodness are 10x many others, because their hearts are pure . You will smile knowingly when other, lesser calibers are discussed.

Accept the invitation.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 25, 2021 08:01 PM (a3Q+t)

407 Why would you wax your gun?
Posted by: GWB at July 25, 2021 07:54 PM


It's a Taurus?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 25, 2021 08:03 PM (a3Q+t)

408 whig @ 380- How's this? Eromero 'Hi, Taylor. I feel like shit.' Taylor 'You look pale Chief, let me check your vitals. Last time I saw you your bp was 213/127. Been taking your meds properly?' Eromero 'Yeah, but I just had to shoot a guy.' Taylor 'Damn, just lie back and I'll take care of you. Want the Chaplain?'

Posted by: Eromero at July 25, 2021 08:03 PM (0OP+5)

409 Thank you, whig.

I don't drive very much in the city limits as public transport is easier and free (my place of employment provides a free pass). But when I do, I'm always looking for a way out of cars slow down in front of me to start a blockade. I try to avoid tunnels and bridges, but.... not possible. Too much water around here.

I have bear spray in the glove box as well.

Posted by: nurse ratched at July 25, 2021 08:04 PM (U2p+3)

410 Gama Goats were history by the time I arrived. The veteran NCOs w/ time in Nam told horror stories about how bad they were. The old timers thought the CUCV and Hum-Vee were miraculous compared to the Gama Goats.

Posted by: Ed L at July 25, 2021 08:04 PM (7je7d)

411 Posted by: blake

blake, as the third winner of a truly beautiful work of art cutting board, I would like to thank you for your donation to the festivities.
I reiterate that Weasel and Team bluebell are organizers par excellence and the NoVAMoMe success was primarily due to their efforts, of course having all the great hordians there was also a very big plus!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at July 25, 2021 08:04 PM (hOUT3)

412 To give room to maneuver at stoplights, always stop
leave enough space to see the bottom of the tires of the vehicle in
front of you and preferably be in the rh lane if in a dangerous area so
you can cut off road. Left turn lanes are similar but a bit more risky
to drive into oncoming traffic. Middle lanes are to be avoided.

Posted by: whig at July 25, 2021 07:57 PM (pO7gM)

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If you know the area, avoid the likely places of trouble. Some of you will remember a video last year of a guy waving a rifle in Lansing. The proper response was to take alternate routes away from those areas. The real danger is not something happening in your home town or places you know, but when you are on the road in a strange place following the only highway route that's open.

Add a few minutes to the drive by cutting out of the city ASAP and taking rural routes home.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 25, 2021 08:06 PM (llXky)

413 I wish I had a big bowl of #73 right now.

Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2021 08:06 PM (MVjcR)

414 Why would you wax your gun?
Posted by: GWB

Wax protects the firearm if you use something like Renaissance wax and it is quite common for antiques or expensive collector firearms to be waxed as a preservative from oxidation (rust).

Oil eventually either seeps off or evaporates so it needs to be reapplied on a regular basis.

Posted by: whig at July 25, 2021 08:06 PM (pO7gM)

415 My son's is 20 Dec. We always kept them separate, to the point I wouldn't put up Christmas decorations until after the 20th. Which turned into a tradition of "Dad buys a tree and puts up decorations on Christmas Eve."
Posted by: GWB at July 25, 2021 07:59 PM (IVYWX)


DaughterH has a birthday of 27 December. We did 27 June unbirthdays until she was sixteen!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at July 25, 2021 08:07 PM (hOUT3)

416 Accept the invitation.


Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 25, 2021 08:01 PM (a3Q+t)
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Great, now I'm going to get a subscription to the .41 Magnum Watchtower.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 25, 2021 08:07 PM (llXky)

417 Eromero 'Yeah, but I just had to shoot a guy.'

Taylor 'Damn, just lie back and I'll take care of you. Want the Chaplain?'
Posted by: Eromero at July 25, 2021 08:03 PM


'Also, lucky it was the Glock. You barely winging him, he's gonna be alright.'

Posted by: Taylor at July 25, 2021 08:07 PM (a3Q+t)

418 I wish I had a big bowl of #73 right now.
Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2021 08:06 PM (MVjcR)
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With ice cream. That was delish.

Posted by: bluebell at July 25, 2021 08:07 PM (wyw4S)

419 I wish I had a big bowl of #73 right now.

Posted by: Weasel.
seconded but with ice cream.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at July 25, 2021 08:08 PM (Y+l9t)

420 "big bowl of #73"

Some kind of NoVaMoMee insider's code here?

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at July 25, 2021 08:08 PM (OTzUX)

421 Bluebell....Horde mind. lol

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at July 25, 2021 08:08 PM (Y+l9t)

422 What's the cigar du jour, Weasel?

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at July 25, 2021 08:08 PM (OTzUX)

423 "big bowl of #73"

Some kind of NoVaMoMee insider's code here?
Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at July 25, 2021 08:08 PM (OTzUX)


They're talking about the jazz cabbage again.

Posted by: hogmartin at July 25, 2021 08:08 PM (ghoDT)

424 If you know the area, avoid the likely places of trouble. Some of you will remember a video last year of a guy waving a rifle in Lansing. The proper response was to take alternate routes away from those areas. The real danger is not something happening in your home town or places you know, but when you are on the road in a strange place following the only highway route that's open.

Add a few minutes to the drive by cutting out of the city ASAP and taking rural routes home.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July


Which is why Kyle Rittenhouse is in trouble. He was seeking confrontation. He got it.

Not saying what is happening is lawful. It isn't. But he asked for it.

Posted by: nurse ratched at July 25, 2021 08:09 PM (U2p+3)

425 I have bear spray in the glove box as well.
Posted by: nurse ratched at July 25, 2021 08:04 PM (U2p+3)


I think it ought to be in your purse/handbag. You might be accosted whilst not in your car!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at July 25, 2021 08:09 PM (hOUT3)

426 I can't believe I read the whole post.

Posted by: Draki at July 25, 2021 08:09 PM (Nt0u1)

427 Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at July 25, 2021 08:04 PM (hOUT3)
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You people are very kind, but, that's been obvious for a long time.

Enjoy and, remember, we do have a complaint department!

And yeah, a very hearty thanks to bluebell and weasel, for all the effort they went to, putting the MoMe together.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at July 25, 2021 08:10 PM (2SdPm)

428
422 What's the cigar du jour, Weasel?

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at July 25, 2021 08:08 PM (OTzUX)
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Bahia Brazil Maduro!

Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2021 08:10 PM (MVjcR)

429 So, does anyone know why this company in SC won't ship ammo to MD?

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at July 25, 2021 08:10 PM (Y+l9t)

430 361 ...A.H. Lloyd,

Thanks for the kind thought but I'm good on components. My one lack was FMJ .308 bullets which is now covered. (95 percent of my reloads are with cast.)

Enjoy the 41 magnum stuff. As all people of culture and refinement know, 41 mag. ammo and components are to be treasured. Fortunately, I laid in a big supply before the shortages began. Also, lucked into several hundred rounds of commercial ammo from an estate sale.

Sometimes it's better to be lucky than good.

Posted by: JTB at July 25, 2021 08:10 PM (7EjX1)

431 Rhomboid, read the menu up top!

Sharon, we obviously both have excellent taste!

Posted by: bluebell at July 25, 2021 08:11 PM (wyw4S)

432 In Texas your LTC is not tied to your DL and Texas does not share LTC info with other states last I heard. You also do not have a requirement to inform during a traffic stop. ***

*** things may have changed with constitutional carry in effect September 1...

Posted by: lin-duh at July 25, 2021 08:11 PM (UUBmN)

433 Cheapest backstop is a bookshelf loaded with books.

Posted by: whig at July 25, 2021 07:20 PM (pO7gM)


Why would you put your books at risk?

Posted by: GWB at July 25, 2021 08:11 PM (IVYWX)

434 Some kind of NoVaMoMee insider's code here?

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at July 25, 2021 08:08 PM (OTzUX)
#73 - Navaho Peach - Rustic Broad
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This is where reading the post pays off.


Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 25, 2021 08:11 PM (llXky)

435 So, does anyone know why this company in SC won't ship ammo to MD?
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at July 25, 2021 08:10 PM (Y+l9t)


Ask your governor!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at July 25, 2021 08:11 PM (hOUT3)

436 426 I can't believe I read the whole post.
Posted by: Draki at July 25, 2021 08:09 PM (Nt0u1)
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You trying to cause trouble? Nobody does that!

Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2021 08:11 PM (MVjcR)

437 Weasel, I'll look at my shop, they probably have that one. But as earlier noted I'm a wimp, usually waay out on the mild end of the spectrum. I spent a fair amount of time in Bahia but never smoked a cigar there. Plenty of other indulgences (though never enough, of course), however.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at July 25, 2021 08:12 PM (OTzUX)

438 Add a few minutes to the drive by cutting out of the city ASAP and taking rural routes home.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 25, 2021 08:06 PM (llXky)

"Have a plan. Have another plan. Be prepared for the plan not to work." Attributed to CAPT (retired) Willy "Irish" Driscoll, USN, Top Gun graduate, Vietnam War ace

Posted by: Ed L at July 25, 2021 08:12 PM (7je7d)

439 429 So, does anyone know why this company in SC won't ship ammo to MD?
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at July 25, 2021 08:10 PM (Y+l9t)
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CA, MD, DC and maybe a few others are not Gun & ammo friendly.

Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2021 08:13 PM (MVjcR)

440 The old timers thought the CUCV and Hum-Vee were miraculous compared to the Gama Goats.
Posted by: Ed L at July 25, 2021 08:04 PM (7je7d)

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Well yeah, but who's gonna fall for Humvee feed?

Posted by: Duke Lowell at July 25, 2021 08:13 PM (kTF2Z)

441 You trying to cause trouble? Nobody does that!
Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2021 08:11 PM (MVjcR)

Well I was late to the post and the MoMe, but at least there was lots of #73 - Navaho Peach when I show up.

Lots of good legal talk tonight, which is definitely appropriate with today's climate.

Posted by: Draki at July 25, 2021 08:13 PM (Nt0u1)

442 Hrothgar,
Pepper spray is in my pocket.

Posted by: nurse ratched at July 25, 2021 08:13 PM (U2p+3)

443 The weird part is I have had ammo shipped here from another company but this company singled out Montgomery County and Annapolis. Seemed very odd.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at July 25, 2021 08:14 PM (Y+l9t)

444 Actually did read the post, but all the dain bramage (war injuries, space travel, concussions from hockey) has lowered my performance level .... so I thought it was a comment number reference.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at July 25, 2021 08:14 PM (OTzUX)

445 Thank you all for organizing this. It's gotta be like herding cats. I'll try to show up a little earlier for the next one. The Easiest cake and (I think)Navaho Peach were very good. Everything else was already eaten. Oh well, the late bird gets desert. Nice meeting the morons who were still hanging around after 5pm. At least I got there before chique. She showed up after me I believe. Poor gal was stuck in traffic. Skip I-95 next time.

Posted by: Puddleglum at July 25, 2021 08:15 PM (LUyqH)

446 Actually did read the post, but all the dain bramage
(war injuries, space travel, concussions from hockey) has lowered my
performance level

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at July 25, 2021 08:14 PM (OTzUX)

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*obligatory*

"That's what SHE said!"

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 25, 2021 08:15 PM (llXky)

447 In Texas your LTC is not tied to your DL...

My TX LTC has my DL number right on the front and when I called the DPS service center line with a question about my LTC, they asked for my DL number to identify me, not my LTC number.

Posted by: Oddbob at July 25, 2021 08:15 PM (nfrXX)

448 Weasel, it's time for me to sign off. Early start for me tomorrow. Again, thanks to everyone for making me feel welcome yesterday and tonight.

Posted by: Ed L at July 25, 2021 08:15 PM (7je7d)

449 Well, time to wander.

Thanks again for the gun thread, weasel!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at July 25, 2021 08:15 PM (2SdPm)

450 Eromeo,
Yes if you are telling the truth. BP over 200 is stroke possibility and usually a result of an existing problem. Shock and trembling are others. It gets complicated to admit medical evidence due to privilege in most states.

Nurse, one additional item might be a gps mapping unit that has traffic feeds or listening to traffic radio. Obviously, the best way to avoid a jam is to divert before you get to it.

The bear spray can be useful but beware of it being blown back into the vehicle with you. Might want to consider a stun gun as well or a self defense type knife (DTI makes a short knive 2.5 in blade that is roughly the size of a j frame revolver handle and is angled for retention. Slicing someone's tendons will tend to make a grabbing arm useless.

Posted by: whig at July 25, 2021 08:15 PM (pO7gM)

451 Ammo shipment restrictions, by county and state, are numerous and growing, sharon. Outrageously, and indefensibly, of course. MD being a pretty far gone authoritarian hell-hole, no surprise.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at July 25, 2021 08:15 PM (OTzUX)

452 David French has gone full Woke. America is structurally racist and the Bible says so!

https://bit.ly/3wZk6hv

Posted by: 29Victor at July 25, 2021 08:16 PM (BJKQV)

453 Posted by: Ed L at July 25, 2021 08:15 PM (7je7d
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Happy to have you here, Ed L!

Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2021 08:16 PM (MVjcR)

454 Ben Had, if you're still here, i replied to your very nice e=-mail yesterday. i know you've been having mail issues, so i figured i'd mention it.

Posted by: redc1c4 *OTUS Zhou Bai-Din Cheated & we all know it. at July 25, 2021 08:16 PM (v7EWn)

455 I dunno...there was a suspicious little character about 3 feet tall. She had NSA written all over her.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 25, 2021 06:34 PM (rBtIz)
~~~~~

Now wait just a minute....

Posted by: IrishEi at July 25, 2021 08:17 PM (9GRhC)

456
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at July 25, 2021 08:15 PM (2SdPm)
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My pleasure, blake!

Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2021 08:17 PM (MVjcR)

457 David French has gone full Woke. America is structurally racist and the Bible says so!

https://bit.ly/3wZk6hv
Posted by: 29Victor at July 25, 2021 08:16 PM (BJKQV

Yeah he's a special kind of pharisee. He's been full woke and lies for years. He'll burn in hell like Olsteen.

Posted by: Draki at July 25, 2021 08:17 PM (Nt0u1)

458 GWB, A lot of what I have are reference manuals that can be replaced and if I need to clear a firearm etc. it makes a decent backstop against concrete blocks.

In a self defense home invasion situation, it is far better cover than drywall or studs.

Posted by: whig at July 25, 2021 08:17 PM (pO7gM)

459 does the summer usually offer more distractions or does range time move to the outdoors?
Posted by: Gouverneur Morris at July 25, 2021 07:29 PM (PHxng)


Range time SHOULD move outdoors, but 'round me there's very few choices, and all require an expensive membership. Like gas for 20 NoVaMoMe trips expensive.

Posted by: GWB at July 25, 2021 08:17 PM (IVYWX)

460 So, does anyone know why this company in SC won't ship ammo to MD?
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at July 25, 2021 08:10 PM (Y+l9t)

Have you tried going to PA and getting ammo? I'm always going there for fireworks.

Posted by: Draki at July 25, 2021 08:18 PM (Nt0u1)

461 whig I think for nurse we ought to not try to find the perfect suite of non-lethal devices and just recommend she go with a Bradley Fighting Vehicle, or better one of those European armored cars (better mileage). Maybe an up-armored Hummer, with run-flat tires. I think an MRAP would be showy, plus, hard to park, and gas mileage again.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at July 25, 2021 08:18 PM (OTzUX)

462 whig I think for nurse we ought to not try to find
the perfect suite of non-lethal devices and just recommend she go with a
Bradley Fighting Vehicle, or better one of those European armored cars
(better mileage). Maybe an up-armored Hummer, with run-flat tires. I
think an MRAP would be showy, plus, hard to park, and gas mileage again.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at July 25, 2021 08:18 PM (OTzUX)

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The EM-50 Urban Assault Vehicle?

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 25, 2021 08:19 PM (llXky)

463 Didn't a .32 literally kill literal Hitler?
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 25, 2021 07:32 PM (llXky)


At the range used, a bb out of a ballpoint pen would have worked.

Posted by: GWB at July 25, 2021 08:19 PM (IVYWX)

464 Wait. There are AoSHQ ballcaps? I gotta buy me one of those.

Posted by: CDR M (Retired) at July 25, 2021 08:19 PM (K8LFj)

465 Gama Goats were history by the time I arrived. The
veteran NCOs w/ time in Nam told horror stories about how bad they were.
The old timers thought the CUCV and Hum-Vee were miraculous compared
to the Gama Goats.

Posted by: Ed L at July 25, 2021 08:04 PM

I drove a Gamma Goat for three years in the 70s they were a maintenance nightmare. Was on a cruise to Mexico in the 90s and pulled into Cancun and saw a Gamma goat painted in Mexican Navy colors.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at July 25, 2021 08:20 PM (JUOKG)

466 What I gleaned from the concealed carry video is, wear short shorts and deploy a cute Southern accent.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at July 25, 2021 08:21 PM (Dc2NZ)

467 461 rhomboid, the best winner in a fight is what she is already doing, avoidance.

Posted by: whig at July 25, 2021 08:21 PM (pO7gM)

468 I have to muster up the courage to attend a MoMe.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp - Biden Is Not My President at July 25, 2021 07:37 PM (XSRBF)


Yes, do. It was absolutely fun. I need more of them to spend time talking with the folks I didn't get a chance to meet this time around.

Posted by: GWB at July 25, 2021 08:22 PM (IVYWX)

469 Mmmoooooo

Posted by: Gamma Goats at July 25, 2021 08:22 PM (W4eKo)

470 whig, yep, 100% of short putts miss, and 100% of fights avoided turn out well.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at July 25, 2021 08:22 PM (OTzUX)

471 Had a friend of ours from Maryland go to our local PSA in town with me as he was interested in a skeet gun.
Store policy was that even in person they would not sell any firearm to a Maryland resident.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 25, 2021 08:22 PM (snOKo)

472 What I gleaned from the concealed carry video is, wear short shorts and deploy a cute Southern accent.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at July 25, 2021 08:21 PM (Dc2NZ)

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This is wise.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 25, 2021 08:22 PM (llXky)

473 Mmmoooooo
Posted by: Gamma Goats at July 25, 2021 08:22 PM (W4eKo)

Goats would do that without the extra x-rays.

Posted by: Draki at July 25, 2021 08:23 PM (Nt0u1)

474
my state CCW # is the same as my DL #

cards look diffrent tho

Posted by: will choose a nic later at July 25, 2021 08:23 PM (bTQ72)

475 Ladyl had the ball caps made and they looked great. Talking her into making some fo rthe 'ettes to bring to Texas. Sounded like the company would be good to work with.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at July 25, 2021 08:23 PM (Y+l9t)

476 whig @ 450-= It really was 213/127 about 8 months ago, medication counter-action. Straightened out later and no problems since with bp, but yeah they know me in the ER and for some unfathomable reason, like me.

Posted by: Eromero at July 25, 2021 08:23 PM (0OP+5)

477
OK, 9:30ish thank you time.

Thanks everyone for being here for the Gun Thread and also for sharing your thoughts on the NoVaMoMe. I know I speak for bluebell too when I say how much we enjoyed every minute with all of you!

Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2021 08:24 PM (MVjcR)

478 374 ... rhomboid,

Thanks. I know about brass prep and I'm one of those odd ducks that doesn't mind doing it. (Helps not to be in a hurry or have to crank out a thousand rounds.) But the suggestion is a good reminder. Since I have two rifles for 30-06 and 30-30, I always full length resize, anyhow. It's easier than trying to segregate the brass by rifle and load.

Posted by: JTB at July 25, 2021 08:24 PM (7EjX1)

479 The EM-50 Urban Assault Vehicle?
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 25, 2021 08:19 PM (llXky)

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Where the fuck's my truck!?!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at July 25, 2021 08:24 PM (kTF2Z)

480 Some of the other better stoppers of bullets and fragments come from highway tires.
Posted by: whig at July 25, 2021 07:40 PM (pO7gM)


Those, however, require a sort of total aesthetic to not look out of place.

Posted by: GWB at July 25, 2021 08:24 PM (IVYWX)

481 I find that simply reducing the odds of disaster caused by idiotic incompetent and/or rude and reckless drivers consumes all my available attention while driving now. Adding a mayhem-avoiding requirement to the mix might produce unsustainable pilot workload. I don't spend much time in areas where festivities are likely, but when I do, especially now, vs. just 2 years ago, awareness is heightened.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at July 25, 2021 08:25 PM (OTzUX)

482 Ladyl had the ball caps made and they looked great. Talking her into making some fo rthe 'ettes to bring to Texas. Sounded like the company would be good to work with.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at July 25, 2021 08:23 PM (Y+l9t)

They looked good even with a man bun or pony tail sticking through them.

Posted by: Draki at July 25, 2021 08:25 PM (Nt0u1)

483 Oddbob,
I believe It only works one way though. DPS issues LTC's and will verify your LTC with your TXDL but if you only hand your DL over it isn't supposed to pull up that you have a LTC. I remember that they were making a big deal about it when it passed.

Posted by: lin-duh at July 25, 2021 08:25 PM (UUBmN)

484 redc1c4, it was a good day for my email and what better than to send you a note.

Posted by: Ben Had at July 25, 2021 08:25 PM (qNoeu)

485 whig,
I have two stun guns.

Problem with local radio is they don't report problems until it is too late, if at all. During last summer of love, I was surprised by three different "mostly peaceful" riots traveling down Third Avenue in downtown Seattle. I have to cross that street to get to the ferry.

No warning on the local news or the blogs or the police blotter. I walked into an active riot.

Posted by: nurse ratched at July 25, 2021 08:26 PM (U2p+3)

486 OK, 9:30ish thank you time.

Thanks everyone for being here for the Gun Thread and also for sharing your thoughts on the NoVaMoMe. I know I speak for bluebell too when I say how much we enjoyed every minute with all of you!
Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2021 08:24 PM (MVjcR)

I owe you a drink at the next MoMe!

Posted by: Draki at July 25, 2021 08:26 PM (Nt0u1)

487 Posted by: lin-duh at July 25, 2021 08:25 PM (UUBmN)
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Hey there!!

Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2021 08:26 PM (MVjcR)

488 Thanks everyone for being here for the Gun Thread
and also for sharing your thoughts on the NoVaMoMe. I know I speak for
bluebell too when I say how much we enjoyed every minute with all of
you!

Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2021 08:24 PM (MVjcR)

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Thanks, Weasel! You'll have to come to the Texas of the North (Michigan) at some point.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 25, 2021 08:27 PM (llXky)

489
I owe you a drink at the next MoMe!
Posted by: Draki at July 25, 2021 08:26 PM (Nt0u1)
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Deal!

Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2021 08:27 PM (MVjcR)

490 Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 25, 2021 08:27 PM (llXky)
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Maybe some day!

Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2021 08:28 PM (MVjcR)

491 JTB, same for me - full-length resizing only. Two M1s, used for fun, and practical shooting, not bullseye competitions.

Having loaded all my handgun ammo for years, I forgot how satisfying it can be - but with the M1s there is a nice feeling knowing those purty shiny rounds that are going boom are your own work.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at July 25, 2021 08:28 PM (OTzUX)

492 Hey weasel!

Posted by: lin-duh at July 25, 2021 08:28 PM (UUBmN)

493 476 Eromeo,
An existing record of health issues is always useful as there is a hearsay exception for statements made to medical personnel for the purpose of medical treatment. Makes it easier to get the evidence in. In your case, definitely call an ambulance as stress like in a self defense shooting could lead to some medical issues. Same as diabetes documentation can help if taken for a ride downtown for questioning.

Posted by: whig at July 25, 2021 08:28 PM (pO7gM)

494 Anyone have any thoughts, as suggested above by pmacb, on asking to be taken to the ER after involvement in a self-defense use of force?
Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2021 07:40 PM (MVjcR)


It's an interesting thought. I would think that it might sound suspiciously legalistic for *some* folks. If you are not the sort to be made distraught by dropping a bad guy, requesting it might make an official suspicious. If you are not that cool afterward, it would make for a good tactical retreat, I think.

Posted by: GWB at July 25, 2021 08:29 PM (IVYWX)

495 Now wait just a minute....
Posted by: IrishEi at July 25, 2021 08:17 PM (9GRhC)


I thought I recognized you!

Posted by: FBI Commissar Hrothgar at July 25, 2021 08:29 PM (hOUT3)

496
Thanks everyone for being here for the Gun Thread and also for sharing your thoughts on the NoVaMoMe. I know I speak for bluebell too when I say how much we enjoyed every minute with all of you!
Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2021 08:24 PM (MVjcR)


Next: TEXAS!!!

Posted by: Ladyl at July 25, 2021 08:29 PM (TdMsT)

497 384 ... "Why would you wax your gun?"

Actually, I use Renaissance Wax on my BP guns and could do so on the modern pieces. It is an extra bit of protection for wood and steel when black powder smoke gets thick. And some of the wood on my BP guns is gorgeous and worth the protection. Besides, it's an excuse to fondle (I mean maintain) those guns.

Posted by: JTB at July 25, 2021 08:30 PM (7EjX1)

498 nurse one possibility - local twitterers, such as CrimeWatchMpls in Minneapolis, often are more timely with info on festivities then under way. They often monitor police radio. Just an idea. If there's such a creature active in Seattle, might be a good trap to check before going anywhere you suspect has potential for trouble.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at July 25, 2021 08:30 PM (OTzUX)

499
Next: TEXAS!!!
Posted by: Ladyl at July 25, 2021 08:29 PM (TdMsT)
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Yes!

Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2021 08:31 PM (MVjcR)

500 Anyone have any thoughts, as suggested above by pmacb, on asking to be taken to the ER after involvement in a self-defense use of force?
Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2021 07:40 PM (MVjcR)

I'd ask if I was in bad shape. You don't have to talk to the cops, just get patched up. If you broke someone in the course of self-defense, don't brag.

Posted by: Draki at July 25, 2021 08:31 PM (Nt0u1)

501 CA, MD, DC and maybe a few others are not Gun ammo friendly.

Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2021 08:13 PM (MVjcR)

right, why mess with it. Lots of gun and ammo places won't sell to CA, they don't need it. Montgomery County and Annapolis make a lot of sense to me.

Posted by: Quint at July 25, 2021 08:32 PM (F2/Ok)

502 Wait. There are AoSHQ ballcaps? I gotta buy me one of those.
Posted by: CDR M (Retired) at July 25, 2021 08:19 PM (K8LFj)
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You should have come to our NoVaMoMe!! You could have won one.

Posted by: bluebell at July 25, 2021 08:32 PM (wyw4S)

503 Weasel, Before the ONT appears, thanks for another great gun thread. From past experience I know how hard you and bluebell work to make these MoMe affairs a huge success. And it shows every time.

Posted by: JTB at July 25, 2021 08:32 PM (7EjX1)

504 Which is why Kyle Rittenhouse is in trouble. He was seeking confrontation. He got it.

Not saying what is happening is lawful. It isn't. But he asked for it.
Posted by: nurse ratched at July 25, 2021 08:09 PM (U2p+3)

He was seeking confrontation?

Posted by: Just a side note at July 25, 2021 08:32 PM (2DOZq)

505 Okay, I watched the legal concepts video on what to say after a self defense shooting, where the guy on the left presents, as evidence to his argument, the Kitty Genovese killing in NYC in 1964.

Which the NYT sensationalized FALSELY as a case of bystanders doing nothing. And I know this is false, since the NYT ADMITTED in 2016 that their '64 reporting was BULLSHIT. It's on wiki, if anyone cares.

And since wiki is a known lefty portal on anything political, it's quite an admission.

Posted by: GnuBreed at July 25, 2021 08:32 PM (F0YaR)

506 America is structurally racist and the Bible says so!

Yes; The Bible speaks frequently of a country that wouldn't exist for more than thousands of years depending on what part of the Bible you're referring to./s

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 25, 2021 08:33 PM (k39e/)

507 80 I have my NRA ballot. Can anyone recommend some dissident directors to vote for?
Posted by: IronDave at July 25, 2021 06:29 PM (k3crU)

https://tinyurl.com/4nu2reve

IMO, you should NOT vote for any of the people nominated by the Nominating Committee. The only reason they received the nomination is because they are trusted not to rock the boat.

More links to follow



Posted by: iron308 at July 25, 2021 08:33 PM (6D9ZD)

508 https://tinyurl.com/48uvewax

Posted by: iron308 at July 25, 2021 08:34 PM (6D9ZD)

509
https://tinyurl.com/yjub97f3

Posted by: iron308 at July 25, 2021 08:34 PM (6D9ZD)

510 I know I speak for bluebell too when I say how much we enjoyed every minute with all of you!
Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2021 08:24 PM (MVjcR)
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Yes indeed! Thanks for all you did, Weasel - you're the brains behind Weaselbell Productions.

Posted by: bluebell at July 25, 2021 08:34 PM (wyw4S)

511 485 Sorry to hear that nurse. Seattle has some unique geographical challenges to traffic due to water. Rhomboid has another solution or perhaps a police scanner is in order.

Posted by: whig at July 25, 2021 08:34 PM (pO7gM)

512 Posted by: nurse ratched at July 25, 2021 08:26 PM (U2p+3)

nurse glad to hear you carry pepper spray. More in your glove compartment is an excellent idea. Discussion with McGyver at the MoMe is leading me to make a bulk purchase for the ladies in my extended family!

WAZE is a phone app that doesn't exactly report violent altercations along the traffic routes, but it pretty reliably re-routes you if there is a serious congestion problem.

Posted by: FBI Commissar Hrothgar at July 25, 2021 08:34 PM (hOUT3)

513 Right, the Genovese incident, has pretty much been debunked, or at least the import of it, as inaccurately reported, has been debunked.

Sad, though - in the last year, there have been lots of pretty shocking video clips of assaults in public, broad daylight, and the feature of some of them was the lack of much reaction by bystanders. I find it very plausible that the falsely reported phenomenon all those decades ago is now a *real* one.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at July 25, 2021 08:35 PM (OTzUX)

514 503 Weasel, Before the ONT appears, thanks for another great gun thread. From past experience I know how hard you and bluebell work to make these MoMe affairs a huge success. And it shows every time.
Posted by: JTB at July 25, 2021 08:32 PM (7EjX1)


I agree completely.

Posted by: Ladyl at July 25, 2021 08:36 PM (TdMsT)

515 Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at July 25, 2021 08:35 PM (OTzUX)

Reminds me of one of my favorite movies, The Incident.

Posted by: Just a side note at July 25, 2021 08:36 PM (2DOZq)

516 Posted by: JTB at July 25, 2021 08:32 PM (7EjX1)
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Thank you!!

Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2021 08:36 PM (MVjcR)

517 The dissident candidates probably won't get elected, but unfortunately, the NRA is unlikely to survive the NYAG

Posted by: iron308 at July 25, 2021 08:37 PM (6D9ZD)

518 Thanks everyone, it was truly our pleasure.

Posted by: bluebell at July 25, 2021 08:37 PM (wyw4S)

519 As always Weasel thanks for gubs! A refuge of desirable craziness in a world of scary insanity.

Or something like that.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at July 25, 2021 08:37 PM (OTzUX)

520 crap
nic adjustment in progress

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at July 25, 2021 08:38 PM (hOUT3)

521
Yes indeed! Thanks for all you did, Weasel - you're the brains behind Weaselbell Productions.
Posted by: bluebell at July 25, 2021 08:34 PM (wyw4S)
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If that's true then we're all in trouble!

Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2021 08:38 PM (MVjcR)

522 Thanks for the thread Weasel especially due to your heavy load with the MoMeet this week.

Posted by: whig at July 25, 2021 08:38 PM (pO7gM)

523 Missed the local firewalls show

Posted by: Skip at July 25, 2021 08:38 PM (Cxk7w)

524
Posted by: Ladyl at July 25, 2021 08:36 PM (TdMsT)
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Aw, shucks....

Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2021 08:38 PM (MVjcR)

525 What has happened to our country that people have to conceal where they have a get together?

Posted by: Ted Torgerson at July 25, 2021 08:39 PM (/aiGx)

526 Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at July 25, 2021 08:37 PM (OTzUX)
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I appreciate that!

Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2021 08:40 PM (MVjcR)

527 they won't ship to Montgomery Cty MD.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at July 25, 2021 07:58 PM (Y+l9t)


Holy carp! Is it all of MD or just there?
MD doesn't require a FFL for ammo, do they?

Posted by: GWB at July 25, 2021 08:40 PM (IVYWX)

528 Not saying what is happening is lawful. It isn't. But he asked for it.
Posted by: nurse ratched at July 25, 2021 08:09 PM (U2p+3)

He was seeking confrontation?
Posted by: Just a side note at July 25, 2021 08:32 PM (2DOZq)


"To ask is to answer!"

Remember, and NEVER forget, 6JAN2021

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at July 25, 2021 08:40 PM (hOUT3)

529 Posted by: whig at July 25, 2021 08:38 PM (pO7gM)
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Thanks whig. My pleasure!

Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2021 08:41 PM (MVjcR)

530 What has happened to our country that people have to conceal where they have a get together?
Posted by: Ted Torgerson at July 25, 2021 08:39 PM (/aiGx)


Oops, oopsie, ignore 528:

"To ask is to answer!"

Remember, and NEVER forget, 6JAN2021

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at July 25, 2021 08:41 PM (hOUT3)

531 Had to step away for awhile, my back was screaming at me. Hope I didn't miss anything. Well.. I know I did but maybe I can catch up.

Posted by: Jewells45 at July 25, 2021 08:41 PM (nxdel)

532 One time a couple of the regulars at shooting matches I go to brought some Level ? (can't remember the number) ballistic material from a work-site (they're in construction) to a rifle match. They were building some kind of booth and it was going to have some ballistic protection.

Possibly not a fair test, might have been handgun-level protection only, but after the last stage we put some of it against the berm and they shot their ARs through it, and I blasted big holes through it with my Mosin. Was not reassuring.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at July 25, 2021 08:42 PM (OTzUX)

533 What has happened to our country that people have to conceal where they have a get together?
Posted by: Ted Torgerson at July 25, 2021 08:39 PM (/aiGx)

Tons of swamp trolls in NoVa. You gotta keep a level 9 gunslinger around just to grill outside.

Posted by: Draki at July 25, 2021 08:42 PM (Nt0u1)

534 Tons of swamp trolls in NoVa. You gotta keep a level 9 gunslinger around just to grill outside.
Posted by: Draki at July 25, 2021 08:42 PM (Nt0u1)


NoVA is now Deep Establishment South!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at July 25, 2021 08:44 PM (hOUT3)

535 I believe there is a difference between trying to avoid trouble in the normal course of your day, and trying to avoid confronting those trying to dismantle this country. The first is simply common sense, the latter is why things have gotten this bad.

Posted by: irright at July 25, 2021 08:44 PM (BB7pQ)

536 Weasel,

Thank you for another fine gub thread.

Posted by: BifBewalski (VcFUs) on the road - (71N/p) at July 25, 2021 08:45 PM (71N/p)

537 NoVA is now Deep Establishment South!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at July 25, 2021 08:44 PM (hOUT3)

So many NoVa Karens would fight you for daring to call them part of the South.

Posted by: Draki at July 25, 2021 08:46 PM (Nt0u1)

538 Posted by: BifBewalski (VcFUs) on the road - (71N/p) at July 25, 2021 08:45 PM (71N/p)
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Happy to do it! Glad you had fun in Texas!

Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2021 08:46 PM (MVjcR)

539 The first is simply common sense, the latter is why things have gotten this bad.
Posted by: irright at July 25, 2021 08:44 PM (BB7pQ)


We surrendered far too much power to those in authority because we felt how can anyone be that evil. We, and our progeny, will be paying a great price for that fundamental error in judgement!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at July 25, 2021 08:47 PM (hOUT3)

540 personally. i found that i follow the rules of the road more closely since i got my ccp. No reason to give the popo a reason to pull you over.

Posted by: t-dubya-d at July 25, 2021 08:47 PM (SpcBa)

541 My gratitude to bluebell and Weasel for an outstanding MoMe but the credit goes to all of you that attend. We could not do this without YOU!

Posted by: Ben Had at July 25, 2021 08:47 PM (qNoeu)

542 Right, the Genovese incident, has pretty much been debunked, or at least the import of it, as inaccurately reported, has been debunked.

Sad, though - in the last year, there have been lots of pretty shocking video clips of assaults in public, broad daylight, and the feature of some of them was the lack of much reaction by bystanders. I find it very plausible that the falsely reported phenomenon all those decades ago is now a *real* one.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at July 25, 2021 08:35 PM (OTzUX)


Oh, no question. The advent of video evidence, until the deep fakes become problematic, is a game changer.

But I'm talking about The Narrative. The NYT tried to alter The Narrative. And this guy, nearly 60 years later, is still bought into the wrong version.

Posted by: GnuBreed at July 25, 2021 08:48 PM (F0YaR)

543 So many NoVa Karens would fight you for daring to call them part of the South.
Posted by: Draki at July 25, 2021 08:46 PM (Nt0u1)


True dat!

"Non-North Deep Establishment"

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at July 25, 2021 08:49 PM (hOUT3)

544 NoVA is now Deep Establishment South!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at July 25, 2021 08:44 PM (hOUT3)

South NY, MN, and MA yes. Some Western PA too, the bad part. A lot of home grown too, they don't care what state they are in. In some ways they don't think they live in a state. That is why their favorite term for the place is the DMV. Funny, that term was NEVER used a decade or two ago, and I mean never. Most wouldn't want to compare their home to the Department of Motor Vehicles.

Posted by: Quint at July 25, 2021 08:50 PM (F2/Ok)

545 So, does anyone know why this company in SC won't ship ammo to MD?
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at July 25, 2021 08:10 PM (Y+l9t)


I can't find anything about it. Want me to bring a box next time I come up that way? (Won't be next week, unfortunately - shipping isn't THAT fast.)

Posted by: GWB at July 25, 2021 08:50 PM (IVYWX)

546 Glad y'all had fun and no major arrests!

Posted by: Alabama at July 25, 2021 08:50 PM (4fSQf)

547 Posted by: Quint at July 25, 2021 08:50 PM (F2/Ok)

Conquest takes many forms!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at July 25, 2021 08:51 PM (hOUT3)

548 Firearms usage at a riot are always a chancy thing legally if the local powers (cops and DA) decide to make an example out of you.

To a certain degree, that is why stand your ground laws came about in jurisdiction is that it permits the person to defend themselves without retreat as long as they are obeying the law at the time of the confrontation.

Essentially though Rittenhouse has three separate incidents that under the law are treated as separate conflicts under the law. It is complicated enough with one situation but he has at least three separate uses of self defense with the various attackers.

Posted by: whig at July 25, 2021 08:51 PM (pO7gM)

549 "The proper response was to take alternate routes away from those areas."

Also a good idea to check your routes to get some map awareness before a road trip. I was raised in Texas and found Maryland highways to be stupid.

For example, Maryland's I-95 North has an exit marked "Gas 2 miles -> ". Turns out it's 2 miles with no U-turn through a ghetto area. Last place you want to risk low fuel.

Most of you who served know how important map awareness is. So take the time those skills to your civilian life. Some of these places are just looking for Whitey with out of state plates.

Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at July 25, 2021 08:51 PM (49Exr)

550 So, does anyone know why this company in SC won't ship ammo to MD?
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at July 25, 2021 08:10 PM (Y+l9t)


I expect democrap lawyers are involved!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at July 25, 2021 08:51 PM (hOUT3)

551 South NY, MN, and MA yes. Some Western PA too, the bad part. A lot of home grown too, they don't care what state they are in. In some ways they don't think they live in a state. That is why their favorite term for the place is the DMV. Funny, that term was NEVER used a decade or two ago, and I mean never. Most wouldn't want to compare their home to the Department of Motor Vehicles.
Posted by: Quint at July 25, 2021 08:50 PM (F2/Ok)

And with the capitol police opening up more offices, it's gonna get weirder. The deep establishment wants to be everywhere and for us to agree with it.

Posted by: Draki at July 25, 2021 08:53 PM (Nt0u1)

552 Pug.....we will greatly miss you! And it's not my mome......it's the Colorado Morondezvous!

Check out the sidebar

Posted by: westminsterdogshow at July 25, 2021 08:53 PM (2FsIc)

553 Posted by: Quint at July 25, 2021 08:50 PM (F2/Ok)



Conquest takes many forms!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at July 25, 2021 08:51 PM (hOUT3)
The Army of Northern Virginia was a dangerous thing way back when. Today the Army of Northern Virginia drinks Starbucks, watches MSNBC, and they actually won.

Posted by: Quint at July 25, 2021 08:54 PM (F2/Ok)

554 Posted by: whig at July 25, 2021 08:51 PM (pO7gM)

And IIRC he attempted to retreat each time.

Posted by: Just a side note at July 25, 2021 08:54 PM (2DOZq)

555 Firearms usage at a riot are always a chancy thing legally if the local powers (cops and DA) decide to make an example out of you...
Posted by: whig at July 25, 2021 08:51 PM (pO7gM)


It really gets interesting when you can no longer count on even a semblance of legitimacy from the "local powers" who are completely infested with CRT, antifa, and BLM approving tools!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at July 25, 2021 08:55 PM (hOUT3)

556 Glad y'all had fun and no major arrests!

That we know of.

Posted by: Jewells45 at July 25, 2021 08:55 PM (nxdel)

557 "So many NoVa Karens would fight you for daring to call them part of the South."

I keep saying, term limits for federal employees. It's the only way to get rid of the rot. Instead of having a permanent bureaucrat class ensconced in DC and Northern Virginia.

Barron you lurking? Term. Limits. For. Feds.

Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at July 25, 2021 08:55 PM (49Exr)

558 Morondezvous!

Posted by: westminsterdogshow at July 25, 2021 08:53 PM (2FsIc)

Once you get it, morondezvous does just roll off the tongue.

Posted by: Draki at July 25, 2021 08:55 PM (Nt0u1)

559 "Glad y'all had fun and no major arrests!"

Sorry I missed it, I'm in Germantown. I'll make the next one, once HR gets my background story in place.

Posted by: Hoyt's Undercover FBI Agent Garcia at July 25, 2021 08:57 PM (49Exr)

560 554 Just a side note,
I am always cautious about evidence as what is submitted to the court can be a far different version than media reports. I know in at least one of the self defense claims, that he was allegedly unable to retreat after falling. Another dealt with a charging guy and a simultaneous gun shot ringing out. (One cannot retreat fast enough to avoid a bullet for example). The skateboard incident, don't remember all the particulars reporting.

Posted by: whig at July 25, 2021 08:57 PM (pO7gM)

561 Barron you lurking? Term. Limits. For. Feds.
Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at July 25, 2021 08:55 PM (49Exr)


If only the Founders had term-limited all federal positions!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at July 25, 2021 08:57 PM (hOUT3)

562 If only the Founders had term-limited all federal positions!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at July 25, 2021 08:57 PM (hOUT3)

A problem with that, is that you will need a large influx of new bureaucrats. Maybe the marines would be the right structure. Lots of dumb people ran through basic training and then you promote the ones that can sort socks.

Posted by: Draki at July 25, 2021 09:00 PM (Nt0u1)

563 "It really gets interesting when you can no longer count on even a semblance of legitimacy from the "local powers" who are completely infested with CRT, antifa, and BLM approving tools!"

Ya know, there's a lot of room for friendly fire there.

I wish we had SOME kind of activist group willing to pull that off. Infiltrate leadership of one SS group, pit it against another. These people don't like each other and, despite their PR, are horrible at tolerance for others.

Just one match and...

Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at July 25, 2021 09:00 PM (49Exr)

564 ONT is up everyone! Thank you for being here every week! I really appreciate it, and hope to see you next Sunday evening. Enjoy the rest of your evening and have a great week!

Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2021 09:01 PM (MVjcR)

565 Posted by: whig at July 25, 2021 08:57 PM (pO7gM)

I would describe it as he was unable to continue his retreat after falling .

Posted by: Just a side note at July 25, 2021 09:01 PM (2DOZq)

566 555 Hrothgar,
It does indeed. At some point, the pendulum will swing back but one of the difficulties for the defense in the case is that it will be difficult to introduce past bad acts of the people that Rittenhouse shot because he would not know their past violent acts.

Self defense has to be evaluated on what the defendant knew at the time and whether his use of force was proportionate and reasonable to stopping the threat. Reasonable will be defined by WI law and the jury.

Posted by: whig at July 25, 2021 09:01 PM (pO7gM)

567 I've heard both sets of advice. One side says hand the officer your DL, reg and you CCP.

Another says don't mention you're armed unless they specifically ask.

Personally, if pulled over, I have all three ready but only hand over two until they ask then I hand over the ccp, hands on the wheel and politely tell the officer where the handgun is at in the car.

Posted by: Alabama at July 25, 2021 09:02 PM (4fSQf)

568 Concerning avoiding trouble while driving, especially in a strange city. I don't depend on GPS. We always have paper maps from AAA in the car. They are reasonably up to date, can't be disrupted in any fashion, and let us plan our route ahead of time.

The other part is I no longer drive in big cities. We're at the point where we don't have to and just avoid them. I would rather drive a couple of hours out of my way than go through a city.

Posted by: JTB at July 25, 2021 09:03 PM (7EjX1)

569 Nood cup of coffee?

Posted by: Draki at July 25, 2021 09:03 PM (Nt0u1)

570 "Lots of dumb people ran through basic training and then you promote the ones that can sort socks."

I know it's a fun stereotype, but most my fellow Marines are middle class white with IQs 120+. They didn't join the Marines because they couldn't find a job, the most common factor is the come from broken families and are looking for a Wolfpack to belong to.

My ASVAB was 99% with a 135 GT

If you want dumb, you want Army

Also, crossbows are cheater bows for feebs who can't pull a real bow.

Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at July 25, 2021 09:04 PM (49Exr)

571 565 Perhaps, but if the jury decides in the first confrontation that Rittenhouse did not act reasonably, then the second confrontation legally could be people that were pursuing a fleeing felon.

This is a very complicated case as even police officers would rarely as an individual shoot three people. I am pretty sure that Andrew Branca will do his day by day blog posting on the future trial and his take would be useful.

Posted by: whig at July 25, 2021 09:04 PM (pO7gM)

572 I prefer a mandatory retirement age for all elected and appointed Fed positions.

Posted by: Just a side note at July 25, 2021 09:06 PM (2DOZq)

573 Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at July 25, 2021 09:04 PM (49Exr)

I thought it was much simpler. Some many who serve come from families who served, it is a tradition. I am not denying what you say because i did not experience it. But what I recall is those who serve today are a very small fraternity a tiny percentage of the overall population. And the main catalyst is their parents, grand parents, or other relatives served as well.

Posted by: Quint at July 25, 2021 09:08 PM (F2/Ok)

574 >>>Once you get it, morondezvous does just roll off the tongue.<<<
>As long as it doesn't devolve into something like Pierre's Hole, it's all good.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at July 25, 2021 09:09 PM (bCkNL)

575 I know it's a fun stereotype, but most my fellow Marines are middle class white with IQs 120+. They didn't join the Marines because they couldn't find a job, the most common factor is the come from broken families and are looking for a Wolfpack to belong to.

My ASVAB was 99% with a 135 GT

If you want dumb, you want Army

Also, crossbows are cheater bows for feebs who can't pull a real bow.
Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at July 25, 2021 09:04 PM (49Exr)

Ha! Us Army grunts gonna keep rocking the cheat bows. If you ain't cheating, you ain't trying.

Posted by: Draki at July 25, 2021 09:18 PM (Nt0u1)

576 "If you ain't cheating, you ain't trying."

Haha, well this IS true.

No such thing as cheating during war.

Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at July 25, 2021 09:31 PM (49Exr)

577 "Some many who serve come from families who served, it is a tradition."

That may be true in general. I just noticed from my own experience how many Marine enlisted were from broken homes and just wanted to be part of a Star Trek crew.

Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at July 25, 2021 09:34 PM (49Exr)

578 ---
If they act like they don't know what that is, ask for flight line. That's always in stock.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 25, 2021 07:35 PM (llXky)

And a gross of grid squares.

Posted by: Fox2! at July 25, 2021 09:39 PM (qyH+l)

579 The Army of Northern Virginia was a dangerous thing way back when. Today the Army of Northern Virginia drinks Starbucks, watches MSNBC, and they actually won.
Posted by: Quint at July 25, 2021 08

Tell that to the 43rd Virginia Cavalry Battalion, known as Mosby's Raiders, that operated in Northern Virginia during the Great Unpleasantness of 1861-1865.
The Army of Northern Virginia was routinely discomfitted by Mosby and his mobile force of true Virginians that "were like the fish in the ocean".
Most were armed with at least six Colt's pistols for close-in work while a-horseback.

Posted by: waepnedmann at July 26, 2021 12:31 AM (n9Rgd)

580 WeaselDog's and Fun Size Joe's tails are gonna wag right off sometime. Too cute.

Posted by: m at July 26, 2021 01:12 AM (6dJKT)

581 Tell that to the 43rd Virginia Cavalry Battalion,
known as Mosby's Raiders, that operated in Northern Virginia during the
Great Unpleasantness of 1861-1865.

The Army of Northern Virginia was routinely discomfitted by Mosby
and his mobile force of true Virginians that "were like the fish in the
ocean".

Most were armed with at least six Colt's pistols for close-in work while a-horseback.

Posted by: waepnedmann at July 26, 2021 12:31 AM (n9Rgd)

you might want to check the nomenclature of Armies. The Army of Northern Virginia uses Mosby, they were not discomfited by him. You might be thinking of the Army of Virginia or the much more lasting Army of the Potomac.

Posted by: Quint at July 26, 2021 01:17 AM (F2/Ok)

582 74 Secondly, while the recipe, #346 - Cowboy Steak with Red-Eye Gravy is attributed to me, it's really my wife's and she is a marvel in the kitchen. Shameless plug for her website (link in nic)
Posted by: McGyver at July 25, 2021 06:28 PM (Iw46i)

Amazing stuff there!

Posted by: m at July 26, 2021 02:11 AM (6dJKT)

583 Truly had a great time at the MoMe; it was great to meet everyone and to get my socializing quota in for the year.

Posted by: Kuiper'Oort at July 26, 2021 06:38 AM (yPS6L)

584 NoVaMoMe was fantastic! Great job by all involved. Can't list all the great people we met. The venue was perfect. The food was great. And thanks for posting the food list. I bought the cookbook when it first came out and now my wife has recipes I'm told I have to make.

My only disappointment is I didn't win the dream date with Weasel! :-(

Count us in for next year.

Posted by: JerseyDevilRider at July 26, 2021 06:48 AM (XEfn8)

585 "we'd like to use the same place again and will not be able to do so if everyone blabs about where it was"

Why?

Posted by: rold at July 26, 2021 08:58 AM (Fntzm)

586 235 I have heard NJ has taps into other state CCW databases and they will pull out of staters who have CCWs. I don't know if that is true or internet rumor.

I once read an article written by a CCL holder from Florida who was on vacay with the family up the east coast. He knew he would be travelling through enemy territory, and chose NOT to carry.

Maryland Troopers were scanning plates of northbound traffic from the median, and he popped up as a CCL holder. They pulled him over in basically felony-stop mode, got everyone out of the vehicle sitting on the side of the busy highway, and tore his van APART looking for a gun. He didn't have it ! They left him, with luggage strewn all over the shoulder, kids and wife crying. Vacation Ruined. Don't be Maryland.

Posted by: TXMarko at July 26, 2021 11:06 AM (gpB3a)

587 263 *My water gun buddies, and you know who you are! I will get you my little pretties...next time...supersoaker*
Looks like I may have to wear a raincoat next time.

Posted by: RTW at July 27, 2021 10:39 PM (jJlJu)

588 Weasel didn't read the raffle ticket numbers correctly, but when Scuba Dude won for the third or fourth time, he took pity on me and shared - so I was able to pick a Muad'Dib-made aluminum AoSHQ rear view mirror hangtag.

I just might hang it over the rear view mirror of the Winnebago BRAVE "Sir Robin," and drive to TXMoMe2021.

Posted by: LibertyDefender at July 28, 2021 12:09 AM (iU6m4)

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