Why You Should Vote [Dave in fla]

I’ve thought long and hard on this topic for the last 8 months. I know that some of you (I can name at least 5 off the top of my head) will disagree with me vigorously. I do understand your frustration and reasoning. In January, I was in a very similar state of mind. But I have come to the realization that we must continue to vote.

The joke we use is, “vote harder”. I’m offering a different take, “vote smarter”. For those of you throwing up your hands and saying that we should never vote again, I simply ask: what is your alternative? Do you intend to simply allow the left to take everything you have cherished and worked for away from you, without even offering a fight? If you refuse to fight politically, then what is YOUR plan of action?

This post draws conclusions from my pervious posts. If you haven’t read them, I recommend you take a look. There are 3 important assertions I am making that mean continuing to participate in the political process is critical to our efforts to save our country.

1) Demographics prove that those who love the American way of life and want to preserve it, hold a majority position in the majority of states.

2) States are actively engaged in passing legislation to prevent the fraud that was used in 2020 to steal the election from Trump and four US Senators.

3) States have the power to act independently from the Federal government and are actively using that power to roll back the advances of the cultural Marxists.

These three statements are more than assertions, I have provided citations to show they are facts. These facts give us hope that continuing to fight by voting is not fruitless. It might take us a generation to restore our nation to what the founders intended, but it is a fight we must engage in. The left has been pushing their agenda and corrupting our institutions for 40 years. Do you expect us to restore our nation in months, or even a short 4 years?

The greatest service that Trump did for us, is he showed us who our enemies are. For over 20 years, we have believed that the mainstream GOP in Washington has been on our side and would fight leftism if given the political power to do so. In 2016, we delivered that power to them, and they did nothing with it. Then in 2020, they showed us that more than being simply passive, they would actively work to overthrow the will of the voters that put them in office, rather than continue to allow the outsider we selected to hold the Presidency.

Now we finally know who our enemies are, and we can work against them.

Voting with your ballot

Voting for Congressmen and Senators is an activity that you need to take a cynically. The best-case scenario in Washington right now is achieving gridlock where nothing gets done, and the deep state is tied up in so many investigations that they don’t have the time to mess with the rest of us. If you are lucky enough to have a decent congressman to vote for, cast your vote. If you need to cast your vote to maintain a balance in Congress, then that is ok too. I will probably vote for Rubio because he is generally a reliable vote and keeps Schumer from becoming leader. However, if your Congressman or Senator is actively working against our interests, then getting rid of them should be the top priority. Murkowski and Romney should be voted against, even if that means voting for a Democrat. There is no excuse for RINOs from Alaska and Utah.

At the state level, demand better. If you live in a red state (this includes WI, MI, and PA), don’t accept a RINO just to keep an R in a seat or in the legislature. An interesting case is Vernon Jones in Georgia. If he wins the Democrat nomination, then a viable strategic move might be to put him in office to punish Brian Kemp. While Kemp was generally good during COVID, his refusal to act during the election cost us Georgia and two Senate seats. The bottom line is use your vote as a weapon, and be willing to vote for the most leftist Democrat in history, if it can be used to strategically remove someone who is holding a seat that rightly should be held by an actual Conservative.

In every election, there are important local races and ballot initiatives. Vote out the judges who won’t uphold the law (we did this in Florida), vote for the right sheriff, and vote for a school board that rejects the racist CRT.

Voting with your money

Who you give your money to is also very important. Right now, donations to national GOP organizations and Conservative, Inc is a complete waste. The RNC, RCCC, and RSCC are in the business of keeping the grifters in office and trying to keep legislation that is important to you from ever seeing the light of day. Instead give you money directly to candidates who matter to you, ones that have shown that they will act on your behalf. Getting the right candidate into the state house of representatives keeps a future member of the GOPe from moving up the ladder to the point that they can’t be removed. Your local sheriff is a critical position since that is where nullification of federal overreach will come from.

Also look for issues such as amendments and recalls to donate to. Recalling partisan judges is an effective mechanism to punish them for not upholding the laws you voted for. In Pennsylvania, Governor Wolf’s overreach in COVID response AND election meddling was overturned thanks to a ballot initiative that passed during a special election. This initiative gave the legislature the power to strip him of his emergency powers and eliminate his edicts, which the legislature immediately did. Taking back control of Pennsylvania from the cheating in Philadelphia will take a combination of electing the right people into the legislature, trying to win back the governor’s office, ballot initiatives, and recalls of the state supreme court. I don’t know if Pennsylvania has a recall mechanism, but if they don’t, it is a ripe opportunity for addition through a ballot initiative.

Voting with your feet

Finally, one of the most significant votes you can cast is to move to a place where your vote will have meaning. If you live in a hopelessly blue area, moving to a district or state where your vote can help elect local, state, and national politicians that reflect your political desires is a benefit. If you move to a state like Texas or Florida, you will find the reduction in taxation, regulation, and tyranny to be a refreshing breath of freedom.

Posted by: Open Blogger at 01:19 PM

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1 Meh. Mail in voting here.

My
Vote
Will
Not

Count.

Posted by: nurse ratched at July 07, 2021 12:20 PM (vBO1h)

2 Dave!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at July 07, 2021 12:20 PM (kTF2Z)

3 First

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at July 07, 2021 12:20 PM (k/TB6)

4 Voting with your feet

Finally, one of the most significant votes you can cast is to move to a place where your vote will have meaning. If you live in a hopelessly blue area, moving to a district or state where your vote can help elect local, state, and national politicians that reflect your political desires is a benefit.

I love where I live but FUCK HILDAGO I hate Harris County.

Posted by: rhennigantx at July 07, 2021 12:20 PM (yrol0)

5 And here. we. go.

Posted by: 496 at July 07, 2021 12:20 PM (U1eOr)

6 PS thanks Dave

Posted by: rhennigantx at July 07, 2021 12:21 PM (yrol0)

7 Dave sounds like a manly man. A man of great character and strength.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at July 07, 2021 12:21 PM (LvTSG)

8 Let it burn.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy (z5Vrg) - The Republic is Already Dead at July 07, 2021 12:21 PM (z5Vrg)

9 Until the GOP changes, I'll vote Libertarian. And no politician gets any of my money. My vote is all I'm willing to give.

Posted by: toddg at July 07, 2021 12:21 PM (B3RQo)

10 My First didn't count.

Neither did my vote.

Posted by: Diogenes at July 07, 2021 12:21 PM (axyOa)

11 Meh. Dominion is voting for me in GA.

Posted by: Jane D'Oh #Impeach Foady Six!(ptqGC) at July 07, 2021 12:22 PM (ptqGC)

12 If Trump runs third party, I will vote third party.

Posted by: flounder at July 07, 2021 12:22 PM (KnJdm)

13 I always vote, my thinking is if you don't vote then you ain't got nothing to bitch about.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at July 07, 2021 12:23 PM (JUOKG)

14 "Do you intend to simply allow the left to take everything you have cherished and worked for away from you, without even offering a fight? If you refuse to fight politically, then what is YOUR plan of action?"

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No, I intend to let the left take everything the GOPe has cherished. Because THEY refuse to fight politically. And because fuck them anyway.

Posted by: 496 at July 07, 2021 12:23 PM (U1eOr)

15 Trump won the election. Biden won the count.

Why do you think the turnout in New Yawk Shitty is so low? Because the people there know, for a fact, that it's rigged anyway. So what's the point??

dimocraps are not only the scum of the Earth but the World's most accomplished criminals.

They always find a way to cheat. Always.

The only time they don't win is when they don't want to.

Posted by: Uncle Rick at July 07, 2021 12:23 PM (48/MM)

16 And thanks, Dave in Fla. Glad to have you back.

Posted by: flounder at July 07, 2021 12:24 PM (KnJdm)

17 If Trump runs third party, I will vote third party.

Posted by: flounder at July 07, 2021 12:22 PM

He already said he would not do that.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at July 07, 2021 12:24 PM (JUOKG)

18 There's provocative and then there's provocative. If I didn't like Dave and respect ace I would answer the title with the answer I want to answer with.

Posted by: ... at July 07, 2021 12:24 PM (Sq5xa)

19 No, I intend to let the left take everything the GOPe has cherished. Because THEY refuse to fight politically. And because fuck them anyway.
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*golf clap*

Posted by: SMH at July 07, 2021 12:25 PM (PZBsS)

20 What is not-voting and bitching going to accomplish?

Really?

Keep voting, keep forcing the Dems into rigging elections, and the more it takes for them to rig elections the more likely something will break and make their manipulation obvious to more people.

Posted by: Axeman at July 07, 2021 12:25 PM (XHhHI)

21 Voting without fighting fraud, or being able to audit votes, is a placebo.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, get ready now at July 07, 2021 12:25 PM (XvPQV)

22 I voted for Trump again, and watched as my state was stolen for Joey Badfinger. Not sure anything is going to change here in '22. I'll vote, but I won't hold my breath that mine will count. Stacey Abrams still hasn't been charged with a damned thing, after she was caught neck folds deep in shenanigans.

Posted by: Jane D'Oh #Impeach Foady Six!(ptqGC) at July 07, 2021 12:25 PM (ptqGC)

23 This post draws conclusions from my pervious posts.

I'm assuming the "pervious" describe how we got f*cked.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at July 07, 2021 12:25 PM (WSLtL)

24 Ohio actually ran a clean election in 2020. I don't know why it was an island of integrity (God knows the GOP is otherwise dismissive of the base) amidst corruption and cheating but there you go.

Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at July 07, 2021 12:26 PM (g5I2H)

25 Dominion is still operating, right?

Posted by: SMH at July 07, 2021 12:26 PM (PZBsS)

26 He already said he would not do that.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at July 07, 2021 12:24 PM (JUOKG)

If he's on the ticket in 2024, he gets my vote. Otherwise, GOPe has a lot of trust to build back before they get my vote, other than on a candidate by candidate basis.

Posted by: flounder at July 07, 2021 12:26 PM (KnJdm)

27 What is not-voting and bitching going to accomplish?
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It lets Our "Republican" Betters know we aren't their OnlyFans simps waiting with our mouths open for the shit to pour in. And that's what I call time well spent.

Posted by: ... at July 07, 2021 12:27 PM (Sq5xa)

28 Dominion is still operating, right?

Posted by: SMH at July 07, 2021 12:26 PM (PZBsS)

Yep.

Posted by: Jane D'Oh #Impeach Foady Six!(ptqGC) at July 07, 2021 12:27 PM (ptqGC)

29 It lets Our "Republican" Betters know we aren't their OnlyFans simps waiting with our mouths open for the shit to pour in. And that's what I call time well spent.
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lol

Posted by: SMH at July 07, 2021 12:27 PM (PZBsS)

30 I love where I live but FUCK HILDAGO I hate Harris County.
Posted by: rhennigantx at July 07, 2021 12:20 PM (yrol0)

Times a million.

Posted by: MAC SOG'''' at July 07, 2021 12:27 PM (P4Pk9)

31 25 Dominion is still operating, right?
Posted by: SMH at July 07, 2021 12:26 PM (PZBsS)

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Here's the thing about Dominion...if it does everything, why did the Democrats have to literally stuff literally thousands of ballots at the last second?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at July 07, 2021 12:27 PM (LvTSG)

32 20 What is not-voting and bitching going to accomplish?

Really?

Keep voting, keep forcing the Dems into rigging elections, and the more it takes for them to rig elections the more likely something will break and make their manipulation obvious to more people.
Posted by: Axeman at July 07, 2021 12:25 PM (XHhHI)

Pretending there's a competition helps maintain the illusion that there is a competition. We need to get people past the mindset that they can vote their way out of this if anything is to be accomplished.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy (z5Vrg) - The Republic is Already Dead at July 07, 2021 12:27 PM (z5Vrg)

33 9 Until the GOP changes, I'll vote Libertarian. And no politician gets any of my money. My vote is all I'm willing to give.

> Libertarian Politicians might be worse than dimocrap scum.

At least dimocrap scum stand for something. It's all wrong, it's scummy, it's criminal, it's racist, bigoted, murderous, marxist/fascist and it's empty.

But it's something. Libertarians stand for nothing. Less than nothing. Worse than the worst hippies. They are shit. Literally, they are what's left over after everything usable is extracted.

shit

Posted by: Uncle Rick at July 07, 2021 12:28 PM (48/MM)

34 Imma keep voting....and if the chance to cheat presents itself...I just might.

Posted by: BignJames at July 07, 2021 12:28 PM (AwYPR)

35 Do you intend to simply allow the left to take everything you have
cherished and worked for away from you, without even offering a fight?

Yes peasant, keep talking this way! You shall be rewarded with a twitter account cancellation.

Posted by: Dominion (uber alles) at July 07, 2021 12:28 PM (bIH0b)

36 Agreed, Dave. I never really considered not voting because MY area of MO doesn't have rampant fraud. I will never live in StL willingly, and while KC certainly has it, it's not big enough or rampant enough to change a statewide race. StL couldn't do it in 2020 either, and there were a couple of ballot initiatives I thought they would pull out all of the stops for.

But you're right that it will take time. MO took a while to get to a point where a squish like Blunt retires (formerly powerful political family here). But we did it. We are not perfect (looks sideways at hike of minimum wage and expansion of SCHIP the populace failed to stop), but we are one of the better and freer states, and throwing McCaskill out on her tax-avoiding behind was just part of the process.

My rural precinct where they know me by name had a big sign for a local election in April telling us to have our ID ready. It's gonna take everything everyone has, but it can be done.

Posted by: Catherine at July 07, 2021 12:29 PM (v2Nu6)

37 willowed:

A big child trafficking/Haiti expose dropped today. The assassination is, I imagine, people trying to cover their tracks.

See @IPOT1776 on gab

Posted by: artemis at July 07, 2021 12:29 PM (AwPyG)

38 If you think Texas has low taxes buy some property there. Then try to get to your property without paying tolls out the ass.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at July 07, 2021 12:29 PM (o2MD2)

39 >>>No, I intend to let the left take everything the
GOPe has cherished. Because THEY refuse to fight politically.

This. You want my vote? Prove your yourself.

Posted by: flounder at July 07, 2021 12:29 PM (KnJdm)

40 The only reason I can think of voting for Republican candidates for the House and Senate is to elevate people like Rand Paul and Devin Nunes to committee leadership positions. However, party leadership and too many jackasses like Romney and Liz Cheney will look to undermine their fellow Republicans in a myriad of ways.

Focus on local races for now. However, if you have a solid conservative now in a House or Senate seat, give them your vote. I plan on voting to reelect my congressman in 2022, since he is one of the few Republicans not to succumb to DC swamp fever. 2022 will be the first time in my life that I will submit a ballot and leave many races blank, even if there is a Republican candidate listed.

Posted by: Curly Shuffle at July 07, 2021 12:29 PM (TNyrE)

41 Keep voting, keep forcing the Dems into rigging elections, and the more it takes for them to rig elections the more likely something will break and make their manipulation obvious to more people.
Posted by: Axeman at July 07, 2021 12:25 PM (XHhHI)

I thought their manipulation was about as obvious as it could possibly be without them actually officially announcing it.

Posted by: Jordan61-(Ez6QX) at July 07, 2021 12:29 PM (Ez6QX)

42 I live in Nevada - with mail in voting, and the corrupt Dem voting machine in Vegas a Republican will never be elected again

Posted by: Big Star at July 07, 2021 12:29 PM (pvJV4)

43 41 Keep voting, keep forcing the Dems into rigging elections, and the more it takes for them to rig elections the more likely something will break and make their manipulation obvious to more people.
Posted by: Axeman at July 07, 2021 12:25 PM (XHhHI)

I thought their manipulation was about as obvious as it could possibly be without them actually officially announcing it.
Posted by: Jordan61-(Ez6QX) at July 07, 2021 12:29 PM (Ez6QX)

Did you miss the hit article, "If we stole it?"

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy (z5Vrg) - The Republic is Already Dead at July 07, 2021 12:30 PM (z5Vrg)

44 I appreciate the optimism but unfortunately I don't share it. We can vote harder, smarter, more often, or from the backs of unicorns farting angel's share pixie dust. That won't stop the elections from being stolen like they were in 2020. We won the presidency, both GA Senate seats, a MI Senate seat (John James), among others. So what? Cheating >>>>>> voting. Anyone who thinks the same thing won't happen in 2022 and 2024 is delusional. Optimistic, but delusional. The only hope is real meaningful voting-procedure reform. Good luck with that.

Posted by: Elric Blade at July 07, 2021 12:30 PM (iFTx/)

45 If you refuse to fight politically, then what is YOUR plan of action?

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Irish Democracy until a leader emerges to unite the clans. We're not voting or suing our way out of this -- the cancerous corruption of every institution now is too wide and deep.

Not going to sanction by participating in the fraud of voting -- and will refuse to do so at gunpoint (as we devolve into North Korean type elections).

I'm lucky being more than twice 29 ... having led a relatively blessed life and achieved the vanishing American dream in the greatest country of all time. It would be a more difficult decision if I were half my age ...

Posted by: ShainS at July 07, 2021 12:30 PM (EPP+r)

46 I tried voting with my feet but couldn't hold the pen with my toes.

Posted by: wth at July 07, 2021 12:30 PM (v0R5T)

47 Voting is the bare minimum of political participation. And, it is entirely possible that whether or not you vote, that someone will fraudulently vote in your name as some have discovered.

In general, voting is one of those activities that has a very low cost in time and actual dollars, as you increase your political participation to the point of some here to maybe even running for a low level office, the cost in time and effort is significantly more. DaveinFla gives good examples where gridlock at the national level is better than its alternative, politicians do pay some attention to incentives like keeping office, and at the state and local level, choosing wise leaders is imperative for your health, safety, and welfare. King Log is better than a Dem King Stork if you are a frog (See Aesop's fables).

Posted by: whig at July 07, 2021 12:30 PM (pO7gM)

48 The latest fiasco WRT the Presidential election shows the importance of voting in the local elections. Who your State Senators and Representatives are is just as, if not more, important than who your Federal Senators and Representatives are. Sadly, not very many people can name their Federal Senators/Representatives, even fewer know who their State counterparts are, but everyone knows who the President (who is constitutionally fairly limited on domestic matters) is.

If you want to make a STATEMENT vote for President. If you want to make a DIFFERENCE vote the down-ticket.

As a side note, the reason I don't donate to individual campaigns is they collect data on you as far as employer, etc. and I don't trust that information to not be used against me.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 07, 2021 12:30 PM (CcOog)

49 Dave in FL - this is an important post. I vacillate between voting for the Dem to speed up the 'let it burn' strategy, and attempting to vote smarter. Voting Smarter is tough, because not only are all of the GOP organizations in on the grift, but probably many of the nonprofits that were devoted to scoring the electeds are compromised as well. I believe we need to come up with a completely new system to make up for our ineffective infrastructure.

I'd add one more entity to the list - WinRED. I avoid any donating to any political campaign that uses them, including Trump. I'd rather send a check via snail mail than give those grifters another shot at sending me spam texts and emails.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at July 07, 2021 12:31 PM (JGRDt)

50 I absolutely am not going to vote, except in local, municipal elections. I refuse to vote for Jack Citerelli, and I refuse to vote for whatever goofball the GOPe tries to run for President. "Wouldn't be prudent", to quote an idiot I once voted for.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at July 07, 2021 12:31 PM (bIH0b)

51 I vote for Dave in FL.

Posted by: Braenyard, (Zd0xi) at July 07, 2021 12:31 PM (Zd0xi)

52 State level election is where we can begin to claw our rights back. Elect state legislators that are going to pass election integrity laws, 2A protection and sanctuary laws and those sorts of things. Sates are beginning to assert their rights and I can get behind that. Up to and including full secession from the Union if that's what it takes to get Big Fed off of our necks.

Posted by: Guzalot at July 07, 2021 12:31 PM (prSvo)

53 LOCATION CHECK: you back in FL Dave?

Posted by: Weasel at July 07, 2021 12:31 PM (MVjcR)

54 No one should say "I'll never vote again."

But I believe there is a message to be sent in not voting once.

And there is a party that desperately needs to hear that message.

Posted by: creeper at July 07, 2021 12:31 PM (XxJt1)

55 Come on, the GOP fights.

They fight against us.

Posted by: ... at July 07, 2021 12:32 PM (Sq5xa)

56 In general (and I'll read the post in its entirety when I'm not driving in 6 lanes of interstate traffic), it has been proposed that the definition of insanity is repeating the same action and expecting different results.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at July 07, 2021 12:32 PM (WSLtL)

57 Here's the thing about Dominion...if it does
everything, why did the Democrats have to literally stuff literally
thousands of ballots at the last second?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at July 07, 2021 12:27 PM

I said that same exact thing in the past here and was told I don't know what I am talking about. If it was a lock like people here claim they would not have had to truck in thousands of ballots in the middle of the night and fake water main breaks to double and triple count ballots for biden when they thought no one was watching.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at July 07, 2021 12:32 PM (JUOKG)

58 Why do you think the turnout in New Yawk Shitty is so low? Because the people there know, for a fact, that it's rigged anyway. So what's the point??

And because way too frickin' many of them live in MO or another red state now. My kids have all notice a huge increase in out-of-state plates this past year. My hope is that the idiots move to StL and KC gets those who have learned their lesson.

Posted by: Catherine at July 07, 2021 12:32 PM (v2Nu6)

59 A pretty smart feller said something about doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at July 07, 2021 12:32 PM (DXFDM)

60 Anyone who thinks the same thing won't happen in 2022 and 2024 is
delusional. Optimistic, but delusional. The only hope is real
meaningful voting-procedure reform. Good luck with that. ------------------- On one hand, voting fraud has always been a problem. It goes way back. This past election probably took it up a level for sure. Do I believe they will try to do it again - of course they will. Will they be successful? Maybe. I'm going to continue to vote, but I understand those who think it a waste of time.

Posted by: SH (Non-Elite) at July 07, 2021 12:32 PM (sX1BW)

61 Really? Absenting yourself from the voting polls sends a particular message?

What it really does is says that there's a vote up for grabs if anybody can fill out a ballot as you.

In a corrupt enough system, you choosing not to vote does not mean a vote is not cast for you.

Assuming that a bulk of the Republican party aren't simple posers (who really aren't waiting for a message from you), vote-farmers to nullify the effect of your vote in the Capitol, it just tells them that the left is still more popular and they have to move left to stay with it.

Posted by: Axeman at July 07, 2021 12:33 PM (XHhHI)

62 few others ways to vote

Posted by: ghost of hallelujah (sJHOI) at July 07, 2021 12:33 PM (sJHOI)

63 If voting doesn't matter, then it doesn't matter. So you aren't sending a message by not voting.

If it matters then you are doing something that matters if you vote.

Posted by: zmdavid at July 07, 2021 12:33 PM (xqRaG)

64

I will always vote.

Posted by: artisanal ette at July 07, 2021 12:33 PM (9VFzC)

65 I live in NoVA. My vote does not count and will not for the foreseeable future. I see no point in voting until I move to a Red State and help make it Redder. That's really the only option. Not feasible for me to move from Babylon on the Potomac, right now. I am making plans on leaving, not sure the timetable yet. I'll be a bit more flexible next year.

Posted by: Puddleglum at July 07, 2021 12:33 PM (QFVV9)

66 Yeah I'm in the Let It Burn camp. I voted for the last time in 2020. Barring some existential change in the choices I will have, I'm done.

I'll focus my efforts on building wealth and my family, something I can actually have an impact on.

Posted by: Jim at July 07, 2021 12:33 PM (B202/)

67 Where in the Sam Hill of 8 trillion dollars in spending do you see "gridlock" in DC?

Posted by: ... at July 07, 2021 12:34 PM (Sq5xa)

68 One reason I'm seriously considering not voting for federal candidates is that I believe that adding real votes to the pool of fraudulent votes adds a veneer of legitimacy to the cheat.

One counterpoint is that enough voters would have to sit out or boycot the election to make it obvious that we'd done so, and I just don't see that happening.

Posted by: Grudge Harbor at July 07, 2021 12:34 PM (uhPTO)

69 Do you intend to simply allow the left to take everything you have cherished and worked for away from you, without even offering a fight?

By not voting one becomes a willing participant in the steal.

Posted by: Braenyard, (Zd0xi) at July 07, 2021 12:34 PM (Zd0xi)

70 I think there's a strategy underway--there's rumblings of audits in red counties and other places like Tarrant County Texas, and I think the point is to show that what the AZ audit has found is happening everywhere.

It would add a lot of credibility to the AZ audit if the same discrepancies are found in the same patterns, even where trump won.

Posted by: artemis at July 07, 2021 12:34 PM (AwPyG)

71 The problem I have with fighting politically is that I believe 100% that we are beyond the point of any pre-conflict political solutions. I believe virtually all of the state-level vote protection efforts are either shams or at least compromised beyond saving by the GOPe.

I can't participate in primaries - the wrong party affiliation on voter registration will get us fired. I can't even vote at all unless I drop the ballot in certain locations; our fraudulent vote by mail system trashes ballots from certain sources assumed to be majority conservative.

From a strategic standpoint, I think the more power the left grabs, and the sooner, the better. The danger here is that they will come to their senses and somehow manage to go back to boiling the frog; Trump made them jump the gun.

Don't move to a place your vote has meaning; move to a place where you aren't going to get ethnically cleansed, democided, or have your children stolen and brainwashed. EVERY person I know who hails from former totalitarian regimes or who experienced ethnic cleansing has GTFO'ed in the last 12 months. Zero exceptions, every last one. This is a clue.

Posted by: somedood at July 07, 2021 12:34 PM (/z9fK)

72 And because way too frickin' many of them live in MO or another red state now. My kids have all notice a huge increase in out-of-state plates this past year. My hope is that the idiots move to StL and KC gets those who have learned their lesson.
Posted by: Catherine
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Hub's has to travel to St.L for work.

Let KC get the bums.

Posted by: SMH at July 07, 2021 12:34 PM (PZBsS)

73 63 If voting doesn't matter, then it doesn't matter. So you aren't sending a message by not voting.

If it matters then you are doing something that matters if you vote.
Posted by: zmdavid at July 07, 2021 12:33 PM (xqRaG)

Helping to make an autocratic regime look like it's a republic does matter.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy (z5Vrg) - The Republic is Already Dead at July 07, 2021 12:34 PM (z5Vrg)

74 Voting is the bare minimum of political
participation. And, it is entirely possible that whether or not you
vote, that someone will fraudulently vote in your name as some have
discovered.

Posted by: whig at July 07, 2021 12:30 PM

Happened to me. Went to vote after work and was told I already voted. Told them, nope not possible as I had been at work all day and got there before the polls opened. They handed me a provisional ballot and said fill this out and we will try to find out what happened.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at July 07, 2021 12:34 PM (JUOKG)

75 The only hope is real meaningful voting-procedure reform. Good luck with that.
Posted by: Elric Blade at July 07, 2021 12:30 PM (iFTx/)

but there is another way

Posted by: MAC SOG'''' at July 07, 2021 12:35 PM (P4Pk9)

76 If voting doesn't matter, then it doesn't matter. So you aren't sending a message by not voting.

If it matters then you are doing something that matters if you vote.

Posted by: zmdavid at July 07, 2021 12:33 PM (xqRaG)

What if - and this is just an if - not voting has the power to make voting matter in the future?

Posted by: ... at July 07, 2021 12:35 PM (Sq5xa)

77 63 If voting doesn't matter, then it doesn't matter. So you aren't sending a message by not voting.

If it matters then you are doing something that matters if you vote.
Posted by: zmdavid at July 07, 2021 12:33 PM (xqRaG)

=========

Reminds me of the belief in God thought process.

If I don't believe in God, and there is no God, then I have lost nothing. If I don't believe in God and there is a God, then I have lost everything. Therefore, I choose to believe in God because if there is no God then there is no harm in it, but if I do believe in God then I will be rewarded.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at July 07, 2021 12:35 PM (LvTSG)

78 Pennsylvania Senate Chairman Initiates Forensic Probe of 2020, 2021 Elections

A Pennsylvania senator on Wednesday announced that he has triggered a forensic investigation of the 2020 and 2021 elections.

State Sen. Doug Mastriano, a Republican, issued letters to several counties requesting information and materials that he said would enable an investigation.

epoch times

keep pressing

Posted by: artisanal ette at July 07, 2021 12:35 PM (9VFzC)

79 Yeah, wouldn't hurt.

Posted by: runner at July 07, 2021 12:35 PM (Z7oqE)

80 No, I intend to let the left take everything the GOPe has cherished.

You are assuming that the GOPe cherishes something that the left does not. That does not appear to be the case. Every new day seems to reveal some new fake conservative argument for leftist goals.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at July 07, 2021 12:35 PM (CX3cf)

81 I am torn on the voting, because it can, and has been, stolen after.

However, I really, REALLY don't want to make it easier for them to steal it by not voting.

*shrugs*

Posted by: Lizzy at July 07, 2021 12:36 PM (bDqIh)

82 By not voting one becomes a willing participant in the steal.

Posted by: Braenyard
___

Whatevers.

Still not voting.

Then again, I'm just a po', dumb POC who can't get an ID to vote.
Oh well.

Posted by: SMH at July 07, 2021 12:36 PM (PZBsS)

83 the more it takes for them to rig elections the more likely something will break and make their manipulation obvious to more people.
Posted by: Axeman at July 07, 2021 12:25 PM (XHhHI)

If it is not already obvious to you than you are either willfully ignorant or you do know but since you are profiting from it (and/or actively involved in it) you are just claiming ignorance.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 07, 2021 12:36 PM (CcOog)

84 "Murkowski and Romney should be voted against, even if that means voting for a Democrat. There is no excuse for RINOs from Alaska and Utah."

Good post overall, but I disagree with the above.

While we might want to punch these two ingrates from time to time, voting them out in favor of a Democrat would be handing Schumer the Majority Leader position. That's insanity along the thought-lines of the never Trumpers. Get better Republicans elected is the solution in those cases.

Posted by: Blacksheep at July 07, 2021 12:36 PM (8/DeP)

85 It isn't the vote that counts, but who counts the votes. We need people on our side counting the votes.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at July 07, 2021 12:36 PM (5atWK)

86 I'm not in the let it burn camp.

I'm in the "carthago delende est" camp, focused on how to best help the commies step on their own dicks and provide us the opportunity.

Posted by: somedood at July 07, 2021 12:37 PM (/z9fK)

87 There are 437 ways to vote, and the left has multiple ways of cheating all of them.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at July 07, 2021 12:37 PM (5atWK)

88 keep voting until you have to start shooting.

Posted by: rd at July 07, 2021 12:37 PM (Z32m1)

89 Vote all you want. You're massively outnumbered.

Posted by: Syd at July 07, 2021 12:38 PM (vJVOh)

90 Few other observations, not voting to make a point has virtually no effects (this point in distorted in the US media) on the behavior of bad regimes. They do not care about legitimacy and it signifies surrender. The only way that internal regime legitimacy matters is to external countries that can do something and it actually cares about it. Think US interfering with Haitian elections for example during Clinton years.

Now, the last justification which is never fully spelled out is the Let it Burn crowd. The idea is that the worse the conditions get, the more are rallied to the idea of revolt. Historically speaking that is a bad idea because most revolts fail absent foreign actors coming to the rescue or restraining the regime's actions externally. Look at how much mileage the Dems obtained from their supporters from the ridiculous Jan 6 actions in justifying repressive actions against conservatives.

Posted by: whig at July 07, 2021 12:38 PM (pO7gM)

91 By not voting one becomes a willing participant in the steal.

Posted by: Braenyard, (Zd0xi) at July 07, 2021 12:34 PM (Zd0xi)
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Write in "None of these Thieves" if we can get enough people to write in a message like that, that sends a message.

To people I know, I might be "sending a message" by not showing up at a party they expected me at. To people who don't know me, I'm just one of the people who they understand wasn't at the party because everybody on Earth did not attend the party.

Posted by: Axeman at July 07, 2021 12:38 PM (XHhHI)

92 keep voting until you have to start shooting -------------------- that pretty much sums it up.

Posted by: SH (Non-Elite) at July 07, 2021 12:38 PM (sX1BW)

93 Do you intend to simply allow the left to take
everything you have cherished and worked for away from you, without even
offering a fight?

By not voting one becomes a willing participant in the steal.

Posted by: Braenyard, (Zd0xi) at July 07, 2021 12:34 PM (Zd0xi)

By voting one becomes a willing participant in the delusion that voting matters.

Posted by: flounder at July 07, 2021 12:38 PM (KnJdm)

94 Why do some regimes use violence to force people to vote?

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy (z5Vrg) - The Republic is Already Dead at July 07, 2021 12:38 PM (z5Vrg)

95 Vote, ideally we get to where they need 70 million fraudulent votes to "beat us."

Posted by: sven at July 07, 2021 12:39 PM (Lzpvj)

96 If possible volunteer to be on an election board, witness, monitor, whatever they call it.
Prevent the steal from happening.
I still can't believe they told everyone to go home, at more or less the exact same time, and they did, responsible people went home and then the steal happened. That is complete bull and that alone should have discredited the election.

Posted by: bartholomew at July 07, 2021 12:39 PM (aAP3z)

97 41 Keep voting, keep forcing the Dems into rigging elections, and the more it takes for them to rig elections the more likely something will break and make their manipulation obvious to more people.
Posted by: Axeman at July 07, 2021 12:25 PM (XHhHI)

I thought their manipulation was about as obvious as it could possibly be without them actually officially announcing it.
Posted by: Jordan61-(Ez6QX) at July 07, 2021 12:29 PM (Ez6QX)

This is certainly obvious to us. The key, however, is getting the LIV to notice it as well. This is my prayer regarding the AZ, PA and GA audits.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at July 07, 2021 12:39 PM (JGRDt)

98 Sorry, but we've heard this all before.

- Vote out the RINO's somehow usually results in a new RINO. The two moronic candidates in GA were horrible anyways. The system destroys outsiders. Slightly changing the demographics is worthless.

- States passing legislation is also meaningless. Most of the cities where the steal happened broke existing election law. Passing more laws does not solve the problem of the will to enforce the laws.

- I do support voting locally and for state offices.

- For the Federal office, no. Let the Left run it all and in a paroxysm madness pass everything they want. If Dave is correct, then that majority of states he talks about will either fix it or we're doomed anyways.

Voting won't fix this because conservatives have been ceding the culture war for 60 years. We control none of the education, entertainment, or news levers of power. We either offer a culture that goes beyond bland patriotism, libertarian economics, ogling scantily clad women, and impossible religious neutrality, or welcome to whatever madness the Left offers next.

Posted by: WiNO - The Odds Are Never in Our Favor at July 07, 2021 12:39 PM (EpDzw)

99 Good post overall, but I disagree with the above.

The only way to stop the GOP from forcing these pieces of shit on us is to stop voting for their pieces of shit. With those two assholes, shumer has the majority when he needs it anyway.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at July 07, 2021 12:39 PM (5atWK)

100 Yeah I'm in the Let It Burn camp. I voted for the
last time in 2020. Barring some existential change in the choices I will
have, I'm done.

I'll focus my efforts on building wealth and my family, something I can actually have an impact on.

Posted by: Jim at July 07, 2021 12:33 PM (B202/)

Pretty close here, with a wait and see if ANYONE is going to stand up for electoral integrity.

Posted by: flounder at July 07, 2021 12:39 PM (KnJdm)

101 94 Posted by: Red Turban Someguy (z5Vrg) - The Republic is Already Dead at July 07, 2021 12:38 PM (z5Vrg)

because the United States used to predicate international standing and credibility on the illusion of representation....

you'll notice we are a lot less idealistic now overseas and at home.

Posted by: sven at July 07, 2021 12:40 PM (Lzpvj)

102 If I don't believe in God, and there is no God, then I have lost nothing. If I don't believe in God and there is a God, then I have lost everything. Therefore, I choose to believe in God because if there is no God then there is no harm in it, but if I do believe in God then I will be rewarded.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at July 07, 2021 12:35 PM (LvTSG)

But in this context, belief in God is a strictly individual thing with consequences for oneself and zero consequences to God.

Making it clear you don't believe the bullshit being sold by one half of the Uniparty, that you are not subject to their illusion, can have consequences that reach further than just oneself.

Posted by: ... at July 07, 2021 12:40 PM (Sq5xa)

103 Dave sounds like a manly man. A man of great character and strength.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at July 07, 2021 12:21 PM (LvTSG)

His mustache has a mustache.

Posted by: Climate Change at July 07, 2021 12:40 PM (yQpMk)

104 Cat Ass Trophy at July 07, 2021 12:36 PM

Counting the votes, running the committees, etc. Don't let the leftists run stuff locally just because they are passionate.

Posted by: KT at July 07, 2021 12:40 PM (BVQ+1)

105 @91

I can't agree with the "send a message" people.

Everybody knows the last election was stolen, and the people in charge aren't the least bit ashamed.

any message will fall on deaf ears.

Posted by: artemis at July 07, 2021 12:40 PM (AwPyG)

106 I too will continue to vote. Even if it is for naught. What I have done is leave the Republican Party. I stayed in as long as I could so I could vote in the primaries.

The Republican Party in NH is a joke. Sure, on the cover we have a Rep. Gov. (Sununu), and we have the majority in both state houses. The inner workings not seen or talked about at cocktail parties is riddled with fraud, lunacy, Chamber of Commerce grifters.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at July 07, 2021 12:40 PM (N39Ws)

107 dammit

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 07, 2021 12:40 PM (yQpMk)

108 I look forward to voting for Kelly Tshibaka over that gross scrunt Murcokeski.

Posted by: Bosk at July 07, 2021 12:40 PM (FgPjD)

109 You are assuming that the GOPe cherishes something that the left does not. That does not appear to be the case. Every new day seems to reveal some new fake conservative argument for leftist goals.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at July 07, 2021 12:35 PM (CX3cf)

Does the GOP even come up with a platform these days? I know they used to. Maybe it stopped before Newt did the Contract With America.

Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at July 07, 2021 12:40 PM (g5I2H)

110 If you live in a hopelessly blue area, moving to a district or state where your vote can help elect local, state, and national politicians that reflect your political desires is a benefit.

I can't do that.

And as much as I admire this and your previous posts, Dave. . .well, call me a hopeless Eeyore, but I do not in any way believe that States are actively engaged in passing legislation to prevent the fraud that was used in 2020 to steal the election from Trump and four US Senators will work. The left will simply be more brazen next time around and the GOP will do nothing. Again.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 07, 2021 12:40 PM (2JVJo)

111 Voting won't fix this because conservatives have been ceding the culture war for 60 years. ---------------- I'm certain Dave is not suggesting a voting only to fix things.

Posted by: SH (Non-Elite) at July 07, 2021 12:40 PM (sX1BW)

112 Vote, ideally we get to where they need 70 million fraudulent votes to "beat us."
Posted by: sven at July 07, 2021 12:39 PM (Lzpvj)

Clicktety- clack tap tap. Done!

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at July 07, 2021 12:41 PM (5atWK)

113 I've never heard of a dictatorship overthrown because people boycotted even sham elections. Has the strategy worked somewhere I'm not aware of?

Posted by: zmdavid at July 07, 2021 12:41 PM (xqRaG)

114 Trump coming up shortly here...

https://tinyurl.com/yk8epv5k

Posted by: creeper at July 07, 2021 12:41 PM (XxJt1)

115 99 Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at July 07, 2021 12:39 PM (5atWK)

right now our choice is between democrat-socialists and Mondale democrats disguised as the GOP....

we refuse to vote for the GOP the choice will be between Bolsheviks and Mensheviks.

Posted by: sven at July 07, 2021 12:41 PM (Lzpvj)

116 If alien pod people took over Joe Biden's empty shell would anyone notice?
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy

He'd be a better dancer....

Posted by: JT at July 07, 2021 12:41 PM (arJlL)

117 Agree wholeheartedly Dave. We have to vote with our ballots and feet because this overarching tyranny we face needs to meet resistance.

There are other things that can be done too. I know in the past when my friends would say something stupidly political, I'd hold my tongue for the sake of not making waves. No more. We have the facts and history on our side, we may as well try and get through to some of the brainwashed. I know it seems like a fool's errand, but the attempt has to be made. Leftism crumbles under the slightest bit of resistance.

Looking forward to the hopefully forthcoming post on the steal.

Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at July 07, 2021 12:41 PM (TPUPJ)

118 My vote will be canceled out by fake ones. If there is no penalty for fraud, there is no reason to put my name on a ballot, in fact it's foolish.

Now if there are penalties and prosecutions beyond a stray illegal I will reconsider. Currently the law is dead, and "our side" barely gives a damn.

Posted by: CN at July 07, 2021 12:41 PM (ONvIw)

119 Not voting is contra intellectual. Leaving our government to despots is cowardice.

Don't like the way things are? Work to change them. Get involved, give your time and money to people who can make a difference. Make a difference yourself.

In every war there are many cowards and sheep. There are very few with courage- but they are always the ones who make the difference. Truly, one man with courage is a majority.

Posted by: Marcus T at July 07, 2021 12:42 PM (a1CRn)

120 It might take us a generation to restore our nation to what the founders intended, but it is a fight we must engage in. The left has been pushing their agenda and corrupting our institutions for 40 years. Do you expect us to restore our nation in months, or even a short 4 years?

--------

Hahahahaha.

I'm old enough to remember the EXACT same statement being made in the mid-80s. In response conservatives gave a hell of fight, so much so that Republicans had control of the levers of power for more than half the time.

We see the results. Isn't insanity doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results? (Props that conservatives did something different in electing Trump in 2016).

Not to mention the election was stolen in 2020 primarily by various criminal actors violating laws on the books with near impunity. And were supposed to believe more laws will fix it?

Posted by: MAGA (stop the steal link in this nic) at July 07, 2021 12:42 PM (eMEkg)

121 one for you
three for me
one for you
three for me

Posted by: wth - vote counting aficionado at July 07, 2021 12:42 PM (v0R5T)

122 keep voting until you have to start shooting -------------------- that pretty much sums it up.
Posted by: SH (Non-Elite) at July 07, 2021 12:38 PM (sX1BW)
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And when will you be shooting?

Right now, we can point to the Minsurrection that nobody was armed. What if a few people had decided it was time to start shooting?

We couldn't point to that, could we?

Ultimately what we can point to and what we can't point to doesn't seem to have an effect where people can just absorb that a couple hours of unarmed skirmish at the Capitol was the equivalent of Hiroshima (okay, a little hyperbole) , in a society that has become more stream-of-consciousness than logical.

We simply have to point at all that we have lost by being post-logical.

Posted by: Axeman at July 07, 2021 12:42 PM (XHhHI)

123 What if - and this is just an if - not voting has the power to make voting matter in the future?
Posted by: ... at July 07, 2021 12:35 PM (Sq5xa)
----------------

What if you don't vote but some cheater votes in your name?

Posted by: Braenyard, (Zd0xi) at July 07, 2021 12:42 PM (Zd0xi)

124 113 Posted by: zmdavid at July 07, 2021 12:41 PM (xqRaG)

No, it is idiotic from a game theory standpoint.

Refusing to play is agreeing that whoever wins is entitled to do what they want.

You are better served impacting the primary process of the donks if nothing else.

Posted by: sven at July 07, 2021 12:42 PM (Lzpvj)

125 A pretty smart feller said something about doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at July 07, 2021 12:32 PM (DXFDM)

Pretty sure that was Vaas

Posted by: 496 at July 07, 2021 12:42 PM (U1eOr)

126 Since we are past 100 comments, here is a link to a video where a Chinese scientist admits that the Covid was a bio weapon released to enable the "elites" (DNC) to "control" Americans.
Goes to the Gateway Pundit.

https://tinyurl.com/yu8rfru3

Posted by: bartholomew at July 07, 2021 12:42 PM (aAP3z)

127
My preference is that a critical mass of traditionally Republican voters disagree with this assessment, and send the GOP to a catastrophic and humiliating loss next year. It's unlikely. As Dave notes, he felt like forgoing the process in January, but the anger (or despair, whatever) cooled. That was to be expected; most people are going to react that way.

But, eventually, enough people will have enough shit and stop playing. Not a matter of "if," but "when." Here's hoping it's in '22.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 07, 2021 12:42 PM (Ink9N)

128 I'm with you, Dave.

I don't blame the critics here since they are correct in that the system has been corrupted and deserves to be scorned, especially the RINOs and establishment GOPers who won't do a damn thing to help us out.

But we do have to keep on fighting and the best way to do this is the way you've outlined, Dave, and so I'm with you. We need to thoroughly vet the GOPers out there who are running for office and send the ones who will actually stand up for us back to office.

Posted by: Blor Utar, from Zimtok-5 at July 07, 2021 12:42 PM (xxG/v)

129 I appreciate people who understand the intricacies of how voting is supposed to work. Kudos to Dave.

However my experience during the last election has convinced me that the process is so totally corrupt that there's no chance of of there ever again being a truly fair election. The situation this country finds itself in currently will never be resolved through the ballot box.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 07, 2021 12:43 PM (BFigT)

130 123 Posted by: Braenyard, (Zd0xi) at July 07, 2021 12:42 PM (Zd0xi)

We call that "War Plan California" where ballot harvesters are all too happy to vote on your behalf.

I am certain they are motivated by a sincere desire to do nice things for you.

Posted by: sven at July 07, 2021 12:43 PM (Lzpvj)

131 any message will fall on deaf ears.

Posted by: artemis at July 07, 2021 12:40 PM (AwPyG)

If my non-vote makes some treasonous pig with an R after his name have to go out and get a lobbying job instead of getting to screw me on C-Span every day, I don't care if he's deaf or not.

Posted by: ... at July 07, 2021 12:43 PM (Sq5xa)

132 By not voting one becomes a willing participant in the steal.

Posted by: Braenyard, (Zd0xi) at July 07, 2021 12:34 PM (Zd0xi)

----
You mean more of a participant than one who does vote when Dominion steals elections anyway?

Posted by: 496 at July 07, 2021 12:44 PM (U1eOr)

133 What if you don't vote and the exit polling media says, there were no Republicans to poll.

Posted by: Braenyard, (Zd0xi) at July 07, 2021 12:44 PM (Zd0xi)

134 Not voting is contra intellectual. Leaving our government to despots is cowardice.

Don't like the way things are? Work to change them. Get involved, give your time and money to people who can make a difference. Make a difference yourself.
In every war there are many cowards and sheep. There are very few with courage- but they are always the ones who make the difference. Truly, one man with courage is a majority.
Posted by: Marcus T

___

Still.
Not.
Voting.

But you do you.

Posted by: SMH at July 07, 2021 12:44 PM (PZBsS)

135 The Dems always votes for their guy no matter what. Even if their guy got screwed like Sanders. We have to be willing to do the same thing.

Posted by: f'd at July 07, 2021 12:44 PM (Tnijr)

136 And don't forget the most important thing--we're a republic, and plenty of states are red, where your vote definitely counts.

We've already seen an exodus to Florida.

This was why it was so important to have RINO governors in the 6 states, to turn on their constituents. People are wise to it, now--the dems are fighting a 30-front war, and that's not easy to do.

Posted by: artemis at July 07, 2021 12:44 PM (AwPyG)

137 What if you don't vote and the exit polling media says, there were no Republicans to poll.
___

Oh well.

Posted by: SMH at July 07, 2021 12:44 PM (PZBsS)

138 I'm out after voting = courage, not voting = cowardice. Have a better one, horde.

Posted by: flounder at July 07, 2021 12:44 PM (KnJdm)

139 If my non-vote makes some treasonous pig with an R after his name have to go out and get a lobbying job instead of getting to screw me on C-Span every day, I don't care if he's deaf or not.
Posted by: ... at July 07, 2021 12:43 PM (Sq5xa)

So in theory, you should vote for the Dem.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 07, 2021 12:44 PM (yQpMk)

140 127 Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 07, 2021 12:42 PM (Ink9N)

Yeah by giving the democrats big enough margins to make tacit alterations to the US Constitution we will miraculously win in 2024 and 2028.

Makes total sense.

Posted by: sven at July 07, 2021 12:44 PM (Lzpvj)

141 And when will you be shooting?
------------------- Not right now. What's your point?

Posted by: SH (Non-Elite) at July 07, 2021 12:44 PM (sX1BW)

142 If you're gonna vote with yer feet.....PLEASE wash them first !

Posted by: JT at July 07, 2021 12:45 PM (arJlL)

143 Well, that feed has no video. And the audio stops and starts. I give up. Like most events, I'll let it unfold and read about it later.

Posted by: creeper at July 07, 2021 12:45 PM (XxJt1)

144 If you refuse to fight politically, then what is YOUR plan of action?

.....

My father ran a newspaper that focused exclusively on exposing the blatant theft, graft, and criminal behavior of sitting office holders in our community.

It made more difference in local politics than voting did, by multiple orders of magnitude.

You want to fight government graft and corruption, dig in their garbage cans. As the previous post alluded to, they have multiple automated systems doing the exact same to you because they understand the value of it, and it's far greater than voting.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at July 07, 2021 12:45 PM (YA914)

145 127 they depend and bank on your anger cooling. Then comes the reward of more votes for frauds. And maybe cash for their consultants. No prosecutions no votes, no money.

Posted by: CN at July 07, 2021 12:45 PM (ONvIw)

146 what I'm seeing here is ... those of us living in NJ, NY, CO, WA ... maybe also PA ... we are a hot mess

we're beaten down

it sounds simple to say "move"

I am not sure I want to just cede major cities, to cede large states completely like Cali

I guess it's "regrouping"

not sure it will work anyway. I'm just tilting at windmills, trying to figure out a way to save Philly

the hopeless crusade. but I am a city person.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at July 07, 2021 12:45 PM (j9HX3)

147 So who's up for watching Time Bandits or Battlestar Galactica 1980 when they time travel to deal with Nazis?

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 07, 2021 12:45 PM (mTQFY)

148 I see the surrender caucus compose of the usual cowards and interlopers has shown up.

Never quit or give up to trolls, malcontents and losers. They are just as much the enemy.

Posted by: Marcus T at July 07, 2021 12:45 PM (a1CRn)

149 I hate feeling like my vote was stolen or nullified too but not voting would be surrender.

Posted by: f'd at July 07, 2021 12:45 PM (Tnijr)

150 We control none of the education, entertainment, or news levers of power.

The trick is how to turn those disadvantages into advantages.

Education: support students, not school systems. Make them compete for the bucks.

Entertainment: tough one, but ridicule is nitwits those who consume contemporary entertainment.

News media: they're already torching their status, but ridiculing those who take them seriously is a start. I find it best to do so in an offhanded fashion ("Jeez, that guy is as dumb as a journalist").

These are not great, but just a start, and something we need to think about: psychic ju-jitsu, turning their advantages into disadvantages, and vice versa.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 07, 2021 12:45 PM (YqDXo)

151 What if you don't vote but some cheater votes in your name?

Posted by: Braenyard, (Zd0xi) at July 07, 2021 12:42 PM (Zd0xi)

I can make a call and find out if I voted on election day and correct it. If that doesn't do it then the "system" is hopelessly beyond repair.

Posted by: ... at July 07, 2021 12:45 PM (Sq5xa)

152 3) States have the power to act independently from the Federal government

No. They really don't. Supremacy Clause. Commerce Clause.

All those 2nd Amendment Sanctuary States?
Farts in the wind. IF the feral government wants something, NOTHING will stand in their way.

IF the feral government wanted to crush pot sales, they would. They don't need states help.

Remember, Waco and Ruby Ridge were done without local involvement.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 07, 2021 12:45 PM (2w7OO)

153 hiya

Posted by: JT at July 07, 2021 12:46 PM (arJlL)

154 We look forward to recording all of your "votes. "

Posted by: Dominion Voting Systems at July 07, 2021 12:46 PM (UEc6S)

155 Good post Dave.
I have never wavered about voting and look forward to voting in he next election. All one has to do is look at Florida and imagine what would have happened if Andrew Gillum would have won the election for governor.
Do politicians disappoint us? Absolutely, but I will still crawl over broken glass to keep my state of Texas out of Democrats control.

Posted by: redridinghood at July 07, 2021 12:46 PM (NpAcC)

156 A special case of the justification is that quite a few people have expressed being tired of waiting or the need to confront evil NOW. The downside is that civil wars are particularly nasty at best and hideous at worst with little distinction between virtuous victims and evil ones. The end results are also unpredictable with secession of homogeneous (ethnic, religious, racial, tribal) areas versus heterogeneous geographical areas (mixed populations). Often the exhausted winner of the Civil War then loses the peace either through foreign invasion/intervention or by enabling a despot to take power in order to force all sides to obey an uneasy peace. Then the civil war resumes after the despot dies (see Yugoslavia after Tito) or Lebanon which seems to be sliding back to civil war again after ending a twenty year or so civil war in the 90's.

Posted by: whig at July 07, 2021 12:46 PM (pO7gM)

157 Vote, don't vote--what else are you doing?

Posted by: Brother Tim at July 07, 2021 12:47 PM (Nv+9A)

158 Dominion of Colorado and mail-in-voting here.

WY or UT is in my future.

Posted by: Joe Mama at July 07, 2021 12:47 PM (WmGrA)

159 What if you don't vote but some cheater votes in your name?

Posted by: Braenyard, (Zd0xi) at July 07, 2021 12:42 PM (Zd0xi)

I'm pretty sure in CA I could vote, and then someone else could vote in my name in another precinct, and that would never be detected or reconciled.

Posted by: Grudge Harbor at July 07, 2021 12:47 PM (uhPTO)

160 So in theory, you should vote for the Dem.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 07, 2021 12:44 PM (yQpMk)

I might, on the solid chance that I am voting for the person who is more honest about who they are.

Posted by: ... at July 07, 2021 12:47 PM (Sq5xa)

161 locally, i can support the conservatives, but from a state and notional perspective, I'm in VA. sooo....

yeah, the moonbat crazy ass leftist possible, he's my vote...

Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at July 07, 2021 12:47 PM (8D42x)

162 We look forward to recording all of your "votes. "
Posted by: Dominion Voting Systems at July 07, 2021 12:46 PM (UEc6S)

If Dominion's so effective, why did they stop counting at all, let alone bring in suitcases of ballots? Yes, they should be disqualified for their name alone, but let's not get the cart *too* far ahead of the horse.

Posted by: Ian S. at July 07, 2021 12:47 PM (ZGrMX)

163 My plan is to get raptured out of Babylon before the Tribulation kicks into high gear. I switched parties after the election so I can piss inside the tent.

Posted by: The piper calling you at July 07, 2021 12:48 PM (hzw86)

164 31. Because the paper backs up the digital count. At least visually. The fraud is revealed in counting/audits,/matches/time frames etc.

Posted by: Dr. Titanium Whitey, J.D. at July 07, 2021 12:48 PM (i6shs)

165 Not wanting to participate in rigged elections is cowardice?

Fine. I'm a coward. A loser. A malcontent.

So be it.

Not much difference among some here from the left.

"My way or the highway".

Posted by: SMH at July 07, 2021 12:48 PM (PZBsS)

166 I will probably vote for Rubio because he is generally a reliable vote and keeps Schumer from becoming leader.

Allow me to rebut vigorously.

Instead of Schumer you get McConnell. Who not only voted to confirm MERRICK GARLAND as AG, but encouraged his caucus to join him in such. 19 others did.

Posted by: blaster at July 07, 2021 12:48 PM (4q7lA)

167 156 A special case of the justification is that quite a few people have expressed being tired of waiting or the need to confront evil NOW. The downside is that civil wars are particularly nasty at best and hideous at worst with little distinction between virtuous victims and evil ones. The end results are also unpredictable with secession of homogeneous (ethnic, religious, racial, tribal) areas versus heterogeneous geographical areas (mixed populations). Often the exhausted winner of the Civil War then loses the peace either through foreign invasion/intervention or by enabling a despot to take power in order to force all sides to obey an uneasy peace. Then the civil war resumes after the despot dies (see Yugoslavia after Tito) or Lebanon which seems to be sliding back to civil war again after ending a twenty year or so civil war in the 90's.
Posted by: whig at July 07, 2021 12:46 PM (pO7gM)

Yes it'll suck but the alternative of no civil war for longer is worse. I understand being invested in the stability of the United States, but what most are hoping for is just a more certain doom for the country. The sooner it comes to a fight the better our chances.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy (z5Vrg) - The Republic is Already Dead at July 07, 2021 12:48 PM (z5Vrg)

168 Oh, i am voting. But i will vote for whatever 3rd party there is. Never republican. They enabled the fraud at the national and state level. They don't deserve to win another election, ever.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at July 07, 2021 12:49 PM (5atWK)

169 Since we are past 100 comments, here is a link to a
video where a Chinese scientist admits that the Covid was a bio weapon
released to enable the "elites" (DNC) to "control" Americans.

Goes to the Gateway Pundit.

https://tinyurl.com/yu8rfru3

Posted by: bartholomew at July 07, 2021 12:42 PM

Uh the dude admits in the video that he has no evidence and it his personal opinion? Not buying it.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at July 07, 2021 12:49 PM (JUOKG)

170 The shooting will start when the federal government sends troops to force non compliant states to comply with the totalitarian agenda. That's when people will know the time has come to take a stand.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at July 07, 2021 12:49 PM (o2MD2)

171 Well-aimed voting it is, then.

Posted by: Junktown Jerky Vendor at July 07, 2021 12:49 PM (S92dB)

172 105; so reward them with cash and participation?
Nope.

I think thrte is a reason am getting mail for someone who does not live at my address marked with a tampering penalty label. And I don't believe the GOP thinks they have it on the bag.

Posted by: CN at July 07, 2021 12:49 PM (ONvIw)

173 I understand being invested in the stability of the United States, but what most are hoping for is just a more certain doom for the country. The sooner it comes to a fight the better our chances.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy (z5Vrg) - The Republic is Already Dead at July 07, 2021 12:48 PM (z5Vrg)

Found the Fed, and boy are they glowie.

Posted by: Ian S. at July 07, 2021 12:50 PM (ZGrMX)

174 Sq5xa)

So in theory, you should vote for the Dem.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 07, 2021 12:44 PM (yQpMk)
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Not voting is as good as two votes for a Dem.

Posted by: Braenyard, (Zd0xi) at July 07, 2021 12:50 PM (Zd0xi)

175 Note that cute slogans aka rhetoric has little to say about the ultimate issue of how to combat an increasingly authoritarian central and local governments. People should be willing to spell out what they want and what they think will happen based on their rhetoric instead of derision of others for making an argument. Commenters, instead, should accept or reject the argument with their own arguments and facts that contradict the or supplement the original thesis.

Rhetoric by design is for trying to sway the masses through emotion rather than argument instead of logic and facts.

Posted by: whig at July 07, 2021 12:50 PM (pO7gM)

176 Not voting is contra intellectual. Leaving our government to despots is cowardice.

Posted by: Marcus T

What is being a willing participant in a system you know is corrupt beyond recognition? Heroism?

Posted by: ... at July 07, 2021 12:50 PM (Sq5xa)

177 Vote, and demand and expect that it be provably counted. That's the seismic shift we're seeing.

Posted by: t-bird at July 07, 2021 12:50 PM (cTiTg)

178 Who you CAN vote for affects this calculus too.
The Uniparty rules, the Oligarchy rules.

It barely matters who you vote for unless you're lucky enough to have someone who actually stands up against their OWN party and not just the Democrats.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, get ready now at July 07, 2021 12:50 PM (XvPQV)

179 Hey, that is not a bad hash.

Posted by: t-bird at July 07, 2021 12:50 PM (CJihP)

180 I am not sure I want to just cede major cities, to cede large states completely like Cali

Yep. I loved Trump's ending the SALT deductions (even though it was against my personal interests), because it put the question to liberals: do you REALLY want to pay for , e.g., a "save the seals" fund?

Previously liberals were just designating a portion of the Federal income tax to the effing seals, but with SALT they had to pay in addition to their Federal income tax.

We need more ideas like that. In short, one that forces leftists to oppose each other for the money. For example, in supporting a school district (which I oppose), give them a lump sum, and let them figure out how to divvy it up between buildings, administrators, and teachers. Then watch the fur fly.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 07, 2021 12:51 PM (YqDXo)

181 If you won't vote to fix it and you won't take up arms to fix it then what WILL you do? Sit on the sidelines and bitch I suppose.

Posted by: Guzalot at July 07, 2021 12:51 PM (prSvo)

182 The shooting will start when the federal government
sends troops to force non compliant states to comply with the
totalitarian agenda. That's when people will know the time has come to
take a stand.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at July 07, 2021 12:49 PM

Agree, there will be a Fort Sumter type of event that will start it all. Not sure where it will be or what it will be over, but that's the way it's gonna start.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at July 07, 2021 12:51 PM (JUOKG)

183 @150

Parents are standing up to the schools--Desantis just passed a parent's bill of rights, and other red states are going to insist on the same (which is the beauty of a republic.

Hollywood is dying--everyone there is panicking about it, because no one is watching them anymore.

News media ratings also dropping like a stone, and there's an all out war to squash alternatives.

We're winning, but it's taking a while--like turning a battleship

Posted by: artemis at July 07, 2021 12:51 PM (AwPyG)

184 Dave in FL, before the election season is over you will known as Shitstorm Dave.

And that's a good thing.

Posted by: Braenyard, (Zd0xi) at July 07, 2021 12:51 PM (Zd0xi)

185 Found the Fed, and boy are they glowie.

they come right in with the ad hominem too

so persuasive

Posted by: BlackOrchid at July 07, 2021 12:51 PM (j9HX3)

186 I find that the majority of libertarian candidates have turned out to be frauds. People might feel good voting for them because they don't have a D or R by their name, but I guarantee the libertarian candidate would be a huge disappointment.

Posted by: redridinghood at July 07, 2021 12:51 PM (NpAcC)

187 173 I understand being invested in the stability of the United States, but what most are hoping for is just a more certain doom for the country. The sooner it comes to a fight the better our chances.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy (z5Vrg) - The Republic is Already Dead at July 07, 2021 12:48 PM (z5Vrg)

Found the Fed, and boy are they glowie.
Posted by: Ian S. at July 07, 2021 12:50 PM (ZGrMX)

Found the GOPe lackey.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy (z5Vrg) - The Republic is Already Dead at July 07, 2021 12:51 PM (z5Vrg)

188 168 a sound alternative. Rewarded behavior, even unpunished behavior is guaranteed to be repeated. No vote for GOP.

Posted by: CN at July 07, 2021 12:51 PM (ONvIw)

189 Yeah I'm in the Let It Burn camp. I voted for the
last time in 2020.

Posted by: Jim at July 07, 2021 12:33 PM (B202/)
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You can still vote and expect to watch it burn.

If Man is under his own power, it will burn. If God saves it, He saves it.

The Biblical scholar that I'm studying right now says that when Genesis says that "Nothing would be impossible for man" it specifically implies his overwhelming power to destroy himself. The "Sons of God" (elohim) spoken about in Chapter 6 gave men all sorts of Science to destroy Himself. God's mercy was demonstrated in his breaking up of Babylon.

Posted by: Axeman at July 07, 2021 12:51 PM (XHhHI)

190 Rhetoric by design is for trying to sway the masses through emotion rather than argument instead of logic and facts.

Posted by: whig at July 07, 2021 12:50 PM (pO7gM)

Well said. Thank you.

Posted by: flounder at July 07, 2021 12:51 PM (KnJdm)

191 Not voting is as good as two votes for a Dem.
Posted by: Braenyard, (Zd0xi) at July 07, 2021 12:50 PM (Zd0xi)

Though it seems dangerously close to Maths to say this, a non-vote is just a half-vote for the Communists.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 07, 2021 12:51 PM (yQpMk)

192 Afghanistan is starting to crumble.

There will be no airlift since Bagrahm has already been lost. And an overland withdrawal to Pakistan or India without adequate air support? Yeah about that, the British lost a lot of soldiers to the Afghans that way in the late 1800s.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 07, 2021 12:51 PM (mTQFY)

193 181 Posted by: Guzalot at July 07, 2021 12:51 PM (prSvo)

Preen in smug superiority as they obliterate all we take for granted I'd guess.

At a minimum we should be discussing plan b and joining the democrats to try to keep the donks from the communists.

Posted by: sven at July 07, 2021 12:52 PM (Lzpvj)

194 "Not wanting to participate in rigged elections is cowardice?"

No. If you really think there is no point then don't do it. I know how you feel.

I think the 2020 election was rigged and am hoping they will fix the problems before the next one. 2022 rolls around and I may think different. I'm not ready to give up yet though.

Posted by: f'd at July 07, 2021 12:52 PM (Tnijr)

195 O/T: UCSD had a "Free The Nipple" event where chicks went topless to protest "body shaming". No word on if the participants were women you'd *want* to see topless.

Posted by: Ian S. at July 07, 2021 12:52 PM (ZGrMX)

196 Note that cute slogans aka rhetoric has little to say about the ultimate issue of how to combat an increasingly authoritarian central and local governments. People should be willing to spell out what they want and what they think will happen based on their rhetoric instead of derision of others for making an argument.

In facing derision: "So you don't have a reasoned position? I didn't think so."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 07, 2021 12:52 PM (YqDXo)

197 Have you guys been following the DeValkenaere case?
The cops noticed someone in a high speed car chase and followed the pursuer. The guy in question Connor Lamb, got away from the trailing cops, and pulled into his backyard garage. A police chopper reported it to the cops on the scene who then went into the backyard.

When one cop yelled at Lamb to get out of the car, Lamb reached for his gun with his left hand. The other cop, DeValkenaere, shot Lamb at that point.

The case against DeValkenaere is, and I shit you not, Lamb had a previous injury to his left arm, he probably couldn't have actually shot with it. Probably. So there was no reason to shoot him. And there is no damn way a random cop would have known that.

Posted by: 18-1 at July 07, 2021 12:52 PM (DpkTQ)

198 Republicans are a public health emergency in the state of NY.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at July 07, 2021 12:52 PM (5atWK)

199 We're winning, but it's taking a while--like turning a battleship ---------------- I'm not sure we are winning, but we are fighting. We can win. Unfortunately, the real fighting often start much later than they should.

Posted by: SH (Non-Elite) at July 07, 2021 12:53 PM (sX1BW)

200 Let me see if I get this straight. The right doesn't vote in 2022 giving the progs super majorities in both houses. HR1 passes easily ushering in nationwide universal mail in ballots. Kamala wins a 50 state sweep in 2024. Brilliant plan.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at July 07, 2021 12:53 PM (kTF2Z)

201 The shooting will start when the federal government sends troops to force non compliant states to comply with the totalitarian agenda. That's when people will know the time has come to take a stand.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at July 07, 2021 12:49 PM (o2MD2)

New look at the Capitol Police expanding their authority to FL and CA?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, get ready now at July 07, 2021 12:53 PM (XvPQV)

202 183 we thought we were winning last year

Posted by: Two Pence the fraud at July 07, 2021 12:53 PM (ONvIw)

203 There will be no airlift since Bagrahm has already been lost. And an overland withdrawal to Pakistan or India without adequate air support? Yeah about that, the British lost a lot of soldiers to the Afghans that way in the late 1800s.
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 07, 2021 12:51 PM (mTQFY)

One survivor of that withdrawal. ONE.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 07, 2021 12:53 PM (YqDXo)

204 Though it seems dangerously close to Maths to say this, a non-vote is just a half-vote for the Communists.

Actually, it's 3/5ths of a vote. Fractional vote tabulation is in the Constitution.

Posted by: Dominion Voting Systems at July 07, 2021 12:53 PM (u1fVF)

205 Kinda reminds me of Saddam Hussien always getting 99% of the vote no matter what the ballots ever actually were. Our situation isn't as obvious but still pretty obvious, Dems only need that one extra senator or rep cheated in to make it a majority and our lives hell. I still think mutually assured cheating will ever cause the courts to recognize election reforms.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 07, 2021 12:53 PM (r+sAi)

206 IMPORTANT:

23 High-Ranking Officials in Biden Administration All Came from the Same Shadowy Firm

https://beckernews.com/new-23-list-40126/

Posted by: Biden's Dog at July 07, 2021 12:53 PM (lEZJY)

207 @180

Exactly, that's how it is supposed to work. The SALT forced the prudent states to underwrite the imprudent ones who were going broke.

It's all about money--it always is, and the founders understood this

Posted by: artemis at July 07, 2021 12:53 PM (AwPyG)

208 People still think "Democrats" stole the election. That "Democrats" worked against Trump. That "Democrats" took our four years of power away. That "Democrats" stopped the wall, continued trillion dollar slush funds, maligned Trump personally non-stop, brought phony investigations to clog up the works, and are punishing the Capitol visitors.

Stop thinking in terms of Democrat vs. Republican.

You and reality will get along better, and you'll have a better sense of what you are up against.

Posted by: ... at July 07, 2021 12:53 PM (Sq5xa)

209 Let me see if I get this straight. The right doesn't vote in 2022 giving the progs super majorities in both houses. HR1 passes easily ushering in nationwide universal mail in ballots. Kamala wins a 50 state sweep in 2024. Brilliant plan.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at July 07, 2021 12:53 PM (kTF2Z)

Bootyjudge, not Kamala, but yes.

Posted by: Ian S. at July 07, 2021 12:53 PM (ZGrMX)

210 Afghanistan is starting to crumble.

There
will be no airlift since Bagrahm has already been lost. And an overland
withdrawal to Pakistan or India without adequate air support? Yeah about
that, the British lost a lot of soldiers to the Afghans that way in the
late 1800s.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 07, 2021 12:51 PM

And in a few short weeks we will be back to where we started with Afghanistan 20 years ago. Thousands dead and wounded, trillions of $$$ wasted and it's back to square one. Nuke it from orbit.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at July 07, 2021 12:54 PM (JUOKG)

211 What is being a willing participant in a system you know is corrupt beyond recognition? Heroism?

Posted by: ... at July 07, 2021 12:50 PM (Sq5xa)
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Life under such a system.

Posted by: Axeman at July 07, 2021 12:54 PM (XHhHI)

212 >I do not in any way believe that States are actively engaged in passing legislation to prevent the fraud that was used in 2020 to steal the election from Trump and four US Senators will work. The left will simply be more brazen next time around and the GOP will do nothing. Again.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 07, 2021 12:40 PM (2JVJo)

For one example, PA directly said "Fuck You" to Alito and the rest of SCOTUS regarding their illegal alterations of election law, and Alito completely cvcked out and didn't so shit. And this is supposed to be one of the "good" justices.

Besides, even if he reprimanded PA, how does he force them to change their behavior. He, and SCOTUS, can't. That's up to the PA legislature, which is nominally GOP-controlled but also didn't do jack shit. But now they're concerned and want to do an audit. LOL, more boob bait for Bubba.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at July 07, 2021 12:54 PM (DXFDM)

213
Yeah by giving the democrats big enough margins to make tacit alterations to the US Constitution [...]

Makes total sense.
Posted by: sven at July 07, 2021 12:44 PM (Lzpvj)

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Indeed. It does.

This whole thing is a shell game. How many times do we need to see it play out?

That outcome is inevitable. Your vote will not change that outcome, except to lend it legitimacy with your tacit consent. The Republicans will help them every step of the way. With or without them, it's gonna happen.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 07, 2021 12:54 PM (Ink9N)

214 191 Not voting is as good as two votes for a Dem.
Posted by: Braenyard, (Zd0xi) at July 07, 2021 12:50 PM (Zd0xi)

Though it seems dangerously close to Maths to say this, a non-vote is just a half-vote for the Communists.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 07, 2021 12:51 PM (yQpMk)

Today do we want a stronger military and some limitation on deficit spending? Staving off an inevitable collapse for a few more years?

Meanwhile the younger generations have been culturally devastated. The longer this lasts the less of a future there is for any country.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy (z5Vrg) - The Republic is Already Dead at July 07, 2021 12:55 PM (z5Vrg)

215 Let me see if I get this straight. The right doesn't vote in 2022 giving the progs super majorities in both houses. HR1 passes easily ushering in nationwide universal mail in ballots. Kamala wins a 50 state sweep in 2024. Brilliant plan.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at July 07, 2021 12:53 PM (kTF2Z)
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Yup.

Wave the white flag now, I guess.

Also, they impeach Trump again.

Posted by: Axeman at July 07, 2021 12:55 PM (XHhHI)

216 It is also my personal opinion, and I have a similar experience with American VIPs that confirm it.
If I knew where to go that wouldn't get me whacked I would go.

Posted by: bartholomew at July 07, 2021 12:55 PM (aAP3z)

217 I might as well just go play Cuties on me Netfilix account so the NSA thinks I'm a democrat.

Posted by: sniffybigoe at July 07, 2021 12:55 PM (UuD2k)

218 Some people here got upset at folks in Georgia that didn't want to turn out for Loleffler and Perdud after the Nov 2020 fraud.

Posted by: f'd at July 07, 2021 12:55 PM (Tnijr)

219 >By not voting one becomes a willing participant in the steal.

Posted by: Braenyard, (Zd0xi) at July 07, 2021 12:34 PM (Zd0xi)

I've seen some ridiculous assertions here, but this one may take the cake.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at July 07, 2021 12:55 PM (DXFDM)

220 That's up to the PA legislature, which is nominally GOP-controlled but also didn't do jack shit. But now they're concerned and want to do an audit. LOL, more boob bait for Bubba.

the PA legislature is so RINO it hurts

the OG RINOs, our legislature

Doug M. is the King of Big Talk

Posted by: BlackOrchid at July 07, 2021 12:56 PM (j9HX3)

221 Work to change the system or your part of the problem. Worse you're just another pedestrian malcontent.

Weird how when someone makes an cogent, intellectual argument for voting and getting involved y'all show up.

Posted by: Marcus T at July 07, 2021 12:56 PM (a1CRn)

222
Not voting is as good as two votes for a Dem.

Posted by: Braenyard, (Zd0xi) at July 07, 2021 12:50 PM (Zd0xi)

Or I sign my name to voting for a collaborator. Not in this lifetime baby.

Posted by: ... at July 07, 2021 12:56 PM (Sq5xa)

223 We're winning, but it's taking a while--like turning a battleship ---------------- I'm not sure we are winning, but we are fighting. We can win.

I suspect opinion is shifting, albeit slowly, like a battleship as you say.

We need to hang the Democrat's policies and failures around their necks.

For example, call them the "Homeless Party," the "Criminals' Party," the "Transgender Party,: over and over again, constantly. Look at how the Dems have backwatered on "defund the police." Make them own all of these f-ups.

I think a lot of people are getting fed. It's important to keep reminding who imposed all this nonsense in the first place, and NOT let them off the hook.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 07, 2021 12:57 PM (YqDXo)

224 >I've never heard of a dictatorship overthrown because people boycotted even sham elections. Has the strategy worked somewhere I'm not aware of?
Posted by: zmdavid at July 07, 2021 12:41 PM (xqRaG)

That's true, but then again voting doesn't change things either, by definition. So why expend the mental and emotional energy caring about the kayfabe?

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at July 07, 2021 12:57 PM (DXFDM)

225 One other way to effect change - boycott businesses that hire GOPers.

Obviously boycotting is not something we on the right are good at...but you can get companies like FOXN a lot harder then say CNN.

Posted by: 18-1 at July 07, 2021 12:57 PM (DpkTQ)

226 213 Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 07, 2021 12:54 PM (Ink9N)

When I was born they had succeeded in making it against the law to conceal carry in a near constitutional majority of states.

We changed that, defeat is not inevitable and even if it is it is my duty to forestall it by every legal means possible for as long as I can.

If you want Schumer and Urkle to be your life coach dictator embrace it now.

I do not and never will.

Posted by: sven at July 07, 2021 12:57 PM (Lzpvj)

227 Joey Bidet's Sept 11th drawdown date will be met but with the Taliban in full control.

And we will never know how the May 1 withdrawal negotiated by Trump will have worked. All because Bidet had to have his symbolism.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 07, 2021 12:57 PM (mTQFY)

228 GOP voters should fraudulently vote in states that like lax voter laws. IMO a crushing wakeup call is what Dems need before they stop loving voter fraud. Form bus trips.

Posted by: Smileyggg at July 07, 2021 12:58 PM (3w9Fm)

229 There are 2 reasons I will no longer vote generic Republicans. One is that the Republican Party does not stand for what I stand for.

Even those that say they will, won't.

The second is that I am now convinced that Republicans were in on the fix, they were promised that if they sacrificed Trump, the same election rigging would not be used against them. I can not reward them with more terms in office. If they win on your votes, cool. But I can not participate when they helped facilitate the defrauding of the election.

I will vote Republican locally when I know the individual and their character. Other than that, I'll vote Constitution Party.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at July 07, 2021 12:58 PM (YA914)

230 Let me know when you find a Republican(s) willing to disqualify and discard an entire precinct of black votes for election law violations.

Until then, no new or existing election law matters.

A law not enforced is not a law, it's a suggestion.

More election laws are like more gun control laws-- no criminal will follow them and they'll only be used against conservatives.

Posted by: Mrm88 at July 07, 2021 12:58 PM (jIL4c)

231 This whole thing is a shell game. How many times do we need to see it play out?

That outcome is inevitable. Your vote will not change that outcome, except to lend it legitimacy with your tacit consent. The Republicans will help them every step of the way. With or without them, it's gonna happen.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice

If voting changed anything, they'd outlaw it.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 07, 2021 12:58 PM (2w7OO)

232 For one example, PA directly said "Fuck You" to Alito and the rest of SCOTUS regarding their illegal alterations of election law, and Alito completely cvcked out and didn't so shit. And this is supposed to be one of the "good" justices.

Besides, even if he reprimanded PA, how does he force them to change their behavior. He, and SCOTUS, can't. That's up to the PA legislature, which is nominally GOP-controlled but also didn't do jack shit. But now they're concerned and want to do an audit. LOL, more boob bait for Bubba.
Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at July 07, 2021 12:54 PM (DXFDM)
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How many divisions does Alito command?

Heller still can't own a gun in Washington DC, and it's been at least 10 years since that was *settled*.

The Democrats like rationale only if it gives them power. They prefer power without rationale to rationale with diminished power.

Posted by: Axeman at July 07, 2021 12:58 PM (XHhHI)

233 113 I've never heard of a dictatorship overthrown because people boycotted even sham elections. Has the strategy worked somewhere I'm not aware of?
Posted by: zmdavid at July 07, 2021 12:41 PM (xqRaG)

Again, there's a reason Syria forces people to vote. It's not a silver bullet by itself, but it is one more cost to the state.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy (z5Vrg) - The Republic is Already Dead at July 07, 2021 12:58 PM (z5Vrg)

234 Honestly, if voting won't work we need to get the killin. Maybe I'm a fool but I'd like to give the former at least a couple of more tries.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 07, 2021 12:58 PM (yQpMk)

235 195 O/T: UCSD had a "Free The Nipple" event where chicks went topless to protest "body shaming". No word on if the participants were women you'd *want* to see topless.
Posted by: Ian S. at July 07, 2021 12:52 PM (ZGrMX)

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The hot ones were body shamed and told to ride at the back of the march.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at July 07, 2021 12:59 PM (LvTSG)

236 218 Posted by: f'd at July 07, 2021 12:55 PM (Tnijr)

The filibuster now hangs on a knife edge because shitheads had to have their tantrum.

Great work team.

Posted by: sven at July 07, 2021 12:59 PM (Lzpvj)

237 Weird how when someone makes an cogent, intellectual argument for voting and getting involved y'all show up.

Posted by: Marcus T at July 07, 2021 12:56 PM (a1CRn)

Yes. Everyone who disagrees with you, including people who have been posting since 2007 and earlire, are trolls. You are the One True Hero.

FFS, I got called a troll in 2015 for saying DJT could win, loves America and would govern conservatively. Grow the fuck up.

Posted by: ... at July 07, 2021 12:59 PM (Sq5xa)

238 183 we thought we were winning last year
Posted by: Two Pence the fraud at July 07, 2021 12:53 PM (ONvIw)
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Tbh, I wasn't optimistic about our chances last year.
When Covid happened and the Dems used it as an opportunity to change the election rules with mail- in-voting, drop boxes etc. I knew there was going to be massive fraud. How could there not have been?

Posted by: redridinghood at July 07, 2021 12:59 PM (NpAcC)

239 You know, if anyone is following the GME/hedge fund takedown, there are many moby trolls on the sites who will tell you it's hopeless, becausse the system is rigged.

Meant to discourage

Posted by: artemis at July 07, 2021 12:59 PM (AwPyG)

240 Yes. Everyone who disagrees with you, including people who have been posting since 2007 and earlier, are trolls. You are the One True Hero.
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lol

Posted by: SMH at July 07, 2021 12:59 PM (PZBsS)

241 200 Let me see if I get this straight. The right doesn't vote in 2022 giving the progs super majorities in both houses. HR1 passes easily ushering in nationwide universal mail in ballots. Kamala wins a 50 state sweep in 2024. Brilliant plan.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at July 07, 2021 12:53 PM (kTF2Z)
Yes, it is. And voting isn't going to change that.

Posted by: creeper at July 07, 2021 01:00 PM (XxJt1)

242 I'm old. Not by today's standards (I'm 70) but old. I can't bear not having my voice heard (well maybe not with the cheating) so I adhere to the Buckley theory of voting for the most conservative who can win. If you have a choice between someone who will vote in our interests 75% of the time,and someone who will vote 20%,guess what. You can attempt to drive them all out, but it's getting late in the game for that.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin at July 07, 2021 01:00 PM (I58tH)

243 And, election fraud will continue until red strongholds start playing the vote rigging game too.

As a simple start, every red district in a purple state should plan, now, that they will report no results until every blue district does. Announce it near the end of election day. The left will claim this is a plan to cheat.

But...let them. Making this argument will hurt them since it is what they do anyway.

Posted by: 18-1 at July 07, 2021 01:00 PM (DpkTQ)

244 The grift that refuses to die: https://tinyurl.com/8tcab883

Posted by: aelfheld at July 07, 2021 01:00 PM (Zy9Yy)

245 1) Demographics prove that those who love the American way of life and want to preserve it, hold a majority position in the majority of states.

2) States are actively engaged in passing legislation to prevent the fraud that was used in 2020 to steal the election from Trump and four US Senators.

We lost due to fraud that the GOP said didn't happen, Barr called it bullshit. We have laws against voter fraud and election fraud. If we don't enforce them, what good will more laws do? If they break the laws with impunity and keep the power, they'll do it no matter what law is on the crooked books.

Posted by: CN at July 07, 2021 01:00 PM (ONvIw)

246 Voting only encourages them.

If it accomplished anything, they'd make it illegal.

Posted by: Arch Stanton at July 07, 2021 01:00 PM (fM2PW)

247 O/T: UCSD had a "Free The Nipple" event where chicks went topless to protest "body shaming". No word on if the participants were women you'd *want* to see topless.
Posted by: Ian S. at July 07, 2021 12:52 PM (

Who's body shaming? Seriously. It doesn't seem like a big issue to me.

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at July 07, 2021 01:00 PM (nRBE8)

248 We don't like how the Republicans don't use their vote for our causes--so we'll show them by...not voting.

Posted by: Axeman at July 07, 2021 01:00 PM (XHhHI)

249 >I'm out after voting = courage, not voting = cowardice. Have a better one, horde.
Posted by: flounder at July 07, 2021 12:44 PM (KnJdm)

That kind of Boomercon emotional blackmail stopped working on me years ago.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at July 07, 2021 01:01 PM (DXFDM)

250 posting since 2007

Heh.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 07, 2021 01:01 PM (yQpMk)

251 (Zd0xi)

Though it seems dangerously close to Maths to say this, a non-vote is just a half-vote for the Communists.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 07, 2021 12:51 PM (yQpMk)
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Thinking; Non vote denies the R candidate one vote and increases the value of the D candidate by one vote.

Posted by: Braenyard, (Zd0xi) at July 07, 2021 01:01 PM (Zd0xi)

252 Counting the votes, running the committees, etc. Don't let the leftists run stuff locally just because they are passionate.
Posted by: KT at July 07, 2021 12:40 PM (BVQ+1)

The problem goes deeper than what you mentioned above.

How do you stop Democrat elected officials from ordering police officers and sheriff's deputies to ignore laws and bum-rush undesired watchers out of the rooms? And how to stop a Democrat Machine judge from either ordering such action to begin with, and uphold such actions when Republicans seek restraining orders?

Also, the Dems will not make the same error they did last year, letting surveillance cameras run after unwanted poll watchers are run out of the building.

Making state laws that assign State Police to monitor poll activities to ensure state and local laws are followed at polling and counting locations may curtail some of the 2020 (and for long before) Democrat operative shenanigans. But that cannot stop counting of bogus mail-in ballots pulled out of "sealed" boxes delivered from the Post Office.

It's a mess and will require a lot of dedicated work by honest people to clean it up.

Posted by: Gref at July 07, 2021 01:01 PM (AMIL/)

253 238 Posted by: redridinghood at July 07, 2021 12:59 PM (NpAcC)

Same here, I knew it would be down to AZ and PA.

PA cheated their asses off, the GOP shrugged at the steal b/c "no more mean tweets."

Yes they are feckless retard cuckolds, yes there is a satisfaction in seeing them lose-unfortunately allowing it easily is literally killing the nation.

Posted by: sven at July 07, 2021 01:01 PM (Lzpvj)

254 "Posted by: ... at July 07, 2021 12:59 PM (Sq5xa)"

No you're not a troll. Just a fucking coward who sits on his ass and throws stones. You must live a sad life, having never taken a stand for anything. You're just another malcontent with nothing useful to say. Just a lot of quitting and divisive fallacy to spout. But I guess that comes easy after being a coward for so long. Really, what a pathetic life.

Posted by: Marcus T at July 07, 2021 01:02 PM (a1CRn)

255 new york mayor's election - I believe they were ready to put in the steal, but the target was a black democrat with a lot of black grassroots support, and when he put pressure on them, they chickened out. But rather than letting him win by 100,000 votes, which election night results showed, they changed it so that he only 'barely won" by a 1000 or so. Just to make sure that he and his people know what they could have done if they had really wanted to.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 07, 2021 01:02 PM (trdmm)

256 Re voting vs. not voting: the latter is exactly what the Reds want. Everything they have done has been governed by how to demoralize us so we DON'T vote.

Quitting now is like going off a diet after a few days because you're still overweight. Things take time.

If it helps, consider how far (down) we've come since 1960. The crap we're seeing now is a reaction to the Ozzie and Harriett era, but I suspect that crap is pretty much faded now, judging by the desperation and insanity the Reds are evincing.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 07, 2021 01:02 PM (YqDXo)

257
Weird how when someone makes an cogent, intellectual argument for voting and getting involved y'all show up.
Posted by: Marcus T at July 07, 2021 12:56 PM (a1CRn)

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Perhaps because it's the subject of the post, and it's the defining issue of our time, and I feel very, very strongly that absolutely no progress whatsoever can be made with the Uniparty stalking-horse that is the GOP. That it sucks all of the air out of the room, it provides their Democrat masters with political cover, and aggressively blocks any meaningful avenue for change.

Until they are destroyed, they will continue running defense for the regime. I can't knock out the Dems, but I can do my small part to knock out one of their crutches.

So I urge people to quit voting. As long as this system remains intact, I'll always take the opportunity to urge that. Because I believe it's right.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 07, 2021 01:02 PM (Ink9N)

258 UCSD had a "Free The Nipple" event where chicks went topless to protest "body shaming". No word on if the participants were women you'd *want* to see topless.
Posted by: Ian S. at July 07, 2021 12:52 PM (ZGrMX)

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The hot ones were body shamed and told to ride at the back of the march.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at July 07, 2021 12:59 PM (LvTSG)

*Makes note to ride in back also*

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, get ready now at July 07, 2021 01:02 PM (XvPQV)

259 That kind of Boomercon emotional blackmail stopped working on me years ago.
Posted by: Dworkin Barimen
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Yet, some here still insists on using it.

Posted by: SMH at July 07, 2021 01:02 PM (PZBsS)

260 203 There will be no airlift since Bagrahm has already been lost. And an overland withdrawal to Pakistan or India without adequate air support? Yeah about that, the British lost a lot of soldiers to the Afghans that way in the late 1800s.
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 07, 2021 12:51 PM (mTQFY)

One survivor of that withdrawal. ONE.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 07, 2021 12:53 PM (YqDXo)

"Two, actually."

- Harry Flashman

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at July 07, 2021 01:02 PM (dfRN6)

261 Jay the massacre of the British arose because they forgot to cut a deal with one tribe.

Here the Taliban have been saying it was the US who broke the deal because Bidet changed the date.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 07, 2021 01:02 PM (mTQFY)

262 249 >I'm out after voting = courage, not voting = cowardice. Have a better one, horde.
Posted by: flounder at July 07, 2021 12:44 PM (KnJdm)

That kind of Boomercon emotional blackmail stopped working on me years ago.
Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at July 07, 2021 01:01 PM (DXFDM)

It is very much a generational gap. The prospect of living under an FDR style tyranny for a decade isn't what's got people riled up. They just don't see how badly damaged things are. Woke and the end of the family unit has done serious damage.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy (z5Vrg) - The Republic is Already Dead at July 07, 2021 01:03 PM (z5Vrg)

263 I've wondered if you could get a binding contract for congress critters.

Get some GOP hopeful to sign a contract saying they'll vote for X, Y, and Z in return for your organization's endorsement. And if they violate it sue them.

Will you win? Probably not. But it would at least be another club in getting GOPers legislating in the way they promise on the campaign trail.

Posted by: 18-1 at July 07, 2021 01:03 PM (DpkTQ)

264 250 Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 07, 2021 01:01 PM (yQpMk)

I've been posting here longer, I understand and have joined in the pertebuity aimed at the GOP goalong gang.

Until someone can explain in a game theory sense how allowing your opponent unlimited moves leads to a win I'll keep voting.

Posted by: sven at July 07, 2021 01:03 PM (Lzpvj)

265 Yes, it is. And voting isn't going to change that.
Posted by: creeper at July 07, 2021 01:00 PM (XxJt1)

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Well, I guess we should all just give up then.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at July 07, 2021 01:03 PM (kTF2Z)

266 I used to have a rule...if I didn't vote I forfeited the right to bitch. Rules don't apply any more, though, as is being brought home to us daily.

Posted by: creeper at July 07, 2021 01:03 PM (XxJt1)

267 258 The hot ones were body shamed and told to ride at the back of the march.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at July 07, 2021 12:59 PM (LvTSG)

*Makes note to ride in back also*
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, get ready now at July 07, 2021 01:02 PM (XvPQV)

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Their pride has been hurt. They need comforting.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at July 07, 2021 01:04 PM (LvTSG)

268 239 You know, if anyone is following the GME/hedge fund takedown, there are many moby trolls on the sites who will tell you it's hopeless, becausse the system is rigged.

Meant to discourage

correct Artemis. FUD all over the place. here too.

it's not going to be easy but I will not just give up. this is MY state, my HOME, MY CITY. it can be saved, and however I can effect that, I will.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at July 07, 2021 01:04 PM (j9HX3)

269 As annoying as this slow rollout is, it does seem to be waking people up to what's been going on.

I'd have preferred ripping off the bandaid, but you can see the strategy, here. A lot of leftists might have been willing to go to war, if trump had invoked the insurrection act.

Now, after 6 months of Biden and a lot of revelations about the election AND the covid bug, I'll bet that number of warriors is much, much smaller.

Posted by: artemis at July 07, 2021 01:04 PM (AwPyG)

270 The air of legitimacy is a *very* powerful thing. It's used against us everywhere we look. I don't need to name the agencies, organizations and systems that rely almost entirely on their air of legitimacy.

I believe we call it a "skin suit". That's what the skin suit is made of.

Keep it around and you're placing your bet on more of the same. Take it away - and things can change.

Posted by: ... at July 07, 2021 01:04 PM (Sq5xa)

271 >Not much difference among some here from the left.

"My way or the highway".

Posted by: SMH at July 07, 2021 12:48 PM (PZBsS)

Amen. It's all so tiresome.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at July 07, 2021 01:04 PM (DXFDM)

272 How do you stop Democrat elected officials from ordering police officers and sheriff's deputies to ignore laws and bum-rush undesired watchers out of the rooms? And how to stop a Democrat Machine judge from either ordering such action to begin with, and uphold such actions when Republicans seek restraining orders?

I say "WWCD," what would the communists do?

They'd be doxing the LE officers who did this, and protesting outside the Democrat Machine judge's house at 3 am, and heckling him as he came and left.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 07, 2021 01:04 PM (YqDXo)

273 Kamala wins a 50 state sweep in 2024. Brilliant plan.

This is the part I don't get. What difference is a 50 state sweep vs. cheating to win like biden did. She would still be the prez. Did your vote matter?

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 07, 2021 01:05 PM (r+sAi)

274 How could there not have been?
Posted by: redridinghood at July 07, 2021 12:59 PM (NpAcC)

And our side said , nope no fraud, or hardly any. They stole the election by shutting down the count . I don't remember any precedent for this, but Mitch, Barr, and Kevin said "everything is fine". I don't trust them enough to vote for them and their ilk, and I think only trusted donk allies will get in. They showed no shock, and offered no explanation for why we need reform. If there was no or negligible fraud, don't fix what ain't broke.

Posted by: CN at July 07, 2021 01:05 PM (ONvIw)

275 Really? Absenting yourself from the voting polls sends a particular message?

What it really does is says that there's a vote up for grabs if anybody can fill out a ballot as you.

In a corrupt enough system, you choosing not to vote does not mean a vote is not cast for you.
Posted by: Axeman at July 07, 2021 12:33 PM (XHhHI)

If they are willing to steal my vote if I don't vote, they are willing to steal it if I do vote.

Posted by: WiNO - The Odds Are Never in Our Favor at July 07, 2021 01:05 PM (EpDzw)

276 My plan for all future voting, local, state, & federal, is to download the Donk voting primer, and then select EVERYTHING they recommend voting against. It's proven they are 100% in on the long march to communism, so anything they want, no matter how small, is a step down that path. Me voting against everything they want, helps keep them from achieving success.

Was at Junior-ette's high school football game, Donks were soliciting votes from those standing in line for some local dog catcher. I asked, how does your candidate stand on the platform for teh 2nd amendment? Response - his position has nothing to do with that. I asked, since you haven't volunteered it, which political party is this local dog catcher affiliated with? Response - he's Democrat. *Me very loudly* so he's against the 2nd amendment, and it 100% okay with spying on the POTUS since he hasn't made any statements about how bad that is.

Posted by: BifBewalski @ (VcFUs) - at July 07, 2021 01:05 PM (VcFUs)

277 One of my big objections to Trannies is that going along to get along with that nonsense is like life in the Soviet Union: it's the forced lying, to break you, make you hate yourself. That's how I feel about voting for Republicans at this point. It's a lie. They are not conservatives. What Kamala wants today, Republicans want to implement by 2050. Screw them and their Potemkin conservatism. They've conserved nothing in the last 20 years, and they weren't doing a bang-up job during the 30 years preceding that. Do whatever you want (seriously), but no amount of marketing is going to make me keep buying shit sandwiches.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at July 07, 2021 01:05 PM (QU5/8)

278 271 Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at July 07, 2021 01:04 PM (DXFDM)

Again if someone can explain to me how allowing functionally Lena Dunham to be the guiding light of the Republic leads to a conservative golden age I am all ears.

Posted by: sven at July 07, 2021 01:05 PM (Lzpvj)

279 If nothing else, my casting a vote means that the cheaters have to expend just a little more effort and money cancelling it out.
And that's a good thing, imo.

Posted by: junior at July 07, 2021 01:06 PM (CiGaU)

280 I see sundown is visiting BeatleJuice today

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 07, 2021 01:06 PM (Irn0L)

281 I will not vote for a single jackass that intends to put McConnell and McCarthy back in power, no matter how 'conservative' they claim they are.

McCarthy is useless and has no spine. Bitch McConnell is WORSE than useless, and is the primary reason that the Deep State went unchallenged because the piece of shit kept the Senate 'in session' for FOUR YEARS specifically to deny Trump the ability to ever put somebody in place that GOPe RINO Inc didn't approve of.

I'm sick of recycling the same idiot RINO 'leadership' year after year.

Posted by: DudeAbiding at July 07, 2021 01:06 PM (setIA)

282 261 Jay the massacre of the British arose because they forgot to cut a deal with one tribe.

Here the Taliban have been saying it was the US who broke the deal because Bidet changed the date.
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 07, 2021 01:02 PM (mTQFY)

True, on both counts.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 07, 2021 01:06 PM (YqDXo)

283 I used to have a rule...if I didn't vote I forfeited the right to bitch.------------------Sometimes I think that is true. But there are times to strategically withhold your vote. And there are times when the argument its fall fraudulent anyways works too. But the fraud - at least the fraud on display in AZ and PA isn't everywhere. My preference is to keep voting. We all want the same result - for the most part. How we get there?

Posted by: SH (Non-Elite) at July 07, 2021 01:06 PM (sX1BW)

284 You know, if anyone is following the GME/hedge fund takedown, there are many moby trolls on the sites who will tell you it's hopeless, becausse the system is rigged.

Meant to discourage
Posted by: artemis at July 07, 2021 12:59 PM (AwPyG)

I don't need no stinking troll to discourage me. I can do that quite well on my own.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 07, 2021 01:06 PM (2JVJo)

285 "Well, I guess we should all just give up then.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at July 07, 2021 01:03 PM (kTF2Z)"

Or consider other methods of dealing with the problem.

Posted by: creeper at July 07, 2021 01:07 PM (XxJt1)

286 I'm of the opinion that we should have elected all the quirky Tea Party candidates that won primaries around 2010. Yes they were quirky but that's better than what we got.

Posted by: zmdavid at July 07, 2021 01:07 PM (xqRaG)

287 278 271 Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at July 07, 2021 01:04 PM (DXFDM)

Again if someone can explain to me how allowing functionally Lena Dunham to be the guiding light of the Republic leads to a conservative golden age I am all ears.
Posted by: sven at July 07, 2021 01:05 PM (Lzpvj)

Why hasn't the Republic run off a fiscal cliff yet? Why is the military still the world's strongest? Us. We must not forge our own chains.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy (z5Vrg) - The Republic is Already Dead at July 07, 2021 01:07 PM (z5Vrg)

288 @263

that's what recall elections are supposed to do, and every state should have that law, but many don't

California, of all places, has this mechanism, and Newsom is thrashing around because he can't just avoid it

the LA district attorney is also getting recalled.

Posted by: artemis at July 07, 2021 01:07 PM (AwPyG)

289 228 GOP voters should fraudulently vote in states that like lax voter laws. IMO a crushing wakeup call is what Dems need before they stop loving voter fraud. Form bus trips.
Posted by: Smileyggg at July 07, 2021 12:58 PM (3w9Fm)

This. This is the one true path to cleaning up elections. Republicans must get good at cheating. "Passing laws" is pretty pointless. Heck we have a CONSTITUTION that is pretty straightforward about elections, and people do not follow it - AND NOTHING PREVENTS THEM FROM DOING THAT. And no punishment afterward.

The only way that this can work is by making lawlessness work against the Dems.

Posted by: blaster at July 07, 2021 01:07 PM (4q7lA)

290 How do you stop Democrat elected officials from ordering police officers and sheriff's deputies to ignore laws and bum-rush undesired watchers out of the rooms? And how to stop a Democrat Machine judge from either ordering such action to begin with, and uphold such actions when Republicans seek restraining orders?

Never forget. With the dems screaming "Defund, prosecute, ACAB!" When they said "Jump" the cops obliged.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at July 07, 2021 01:07 PM (5atWK)

291 I'll prepare for the first Tuesday in November; chill beers, roll joints, play video games. Shit like that. Will never see the inside of a voting booth again.

The motherfuckers "won", Dave. As in permanently. Sorry you don't see that.

Posted by: Clark Westfield at July 07, 2021 01:07 PM (zNWa2)

292 Here the Taliban have been saying it was the US who broke the deal because Bidet changed the date.
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 07, 2021 01:02 PM (mTQFY)

I hate Biden and this f*cking regime so much that I'm actually hoping for total f*king disaster.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 07, 2021 01:07 PM (trdmm)

293 How do you stop Democrat elected officials from ordering police
officers and sheriff's deputies to ignore laws and bum-rush undesired
watchers out of the rooms?
The left is busy arresting cops left and right as we speak. So, if you have an R governor/sheriff/whatever lean on them to arrest any cops that do something like that.

Hell, if you really want to think big, arrest the assholes for election fraud - which AZ sort of threatened to do if Biden sent goons to stop the vote analysis.

Posted by: 18-1 at July 07, 2021 01:07 PM (DpkTQ)

294 Until someone can explain in a game theory sense how allowing your opponent unlimited moves leads to a win I'll keep voting.

Posted by: sven at July 07, 2021 01:03 PM (Lzpvj)

Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. People cannot and will not contend with what they cannot see.

Posted by: ... at July 07, 2021 01:07 PM (Sq5xa)

295 Yes they are feckless retard cuckolds, yes there is a satisfaction in seeing them lose-unfortunately allowing it easily is literally killing the nation.

we're the keystone state for a reason

no joke ... just letting PA turn into a blue hellhole is taking the keystone out and smashing it

not smart

let's fight back

Posted by: BlackOrchid at July 07, 2021 01:07 PM (j9HX3)

296 I'm not going to call anyone out for not voting. That's their vote and their choice--hopefully, that's your vote, that is. But if the system is so corrupt, it doesn't need your input (your speech) and it doesn't need your vote, because they can theoretically find an illegal to do that for you. (Jobs Americans "won't" do.)

My part in this discussion is simply the advocacy of remaining in the game. I'm an ex-Republican for going on 15 years now. I've said frequently that what people on this board called "RINO", I call "Republican". I have no love for the disgrace that the current crop has made the Party of Lincoln.

After McCain was the "next guy up", I expect nothing from the Republican party. So my advocacy to remain voting has nothing to do with support for the Republican party.

Posted by: Axeman at July 07, 2021 01:08 PM (XHhHI)

297 An interesting case is Vernon Jones in Georgia. If he wins the Democrat nomination, then a viable strategic move might be to put him in office to punish Brian Kemp.
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Probably already been pointed out, but Vernon is running as a republican in the primary against Kemp.

Posted by: BunkerintheBurbs (qIQLc) at July 07, 2021 01:08 PM (qIQLc)

298 I've never heard of a dictatorship overthrown because people boycotted even sham elections. Has the strategy worked somewhere I'm not aware of?
Posted by: zmdavid at July 07, 2021 12:41 PM (xqRaG)

It demonstrates that the people know the system is rigged. Why do you think dictatorships like to announce 99% participation rates?

Posted by: WiNO - The Odds Are Never in Our Favor at July 07, 2021 01:08 PM (EpDzw)

299 I'd have preferred ripping off the bandaid, but you can see the strategy, here. A lot of leftists might have been willing to go to war, if trump had invoked the insurrection act.

Now, after 6 months of Biden and a lot of revelations about the election AND the covid bug, I'll bet that number of warriors is much, much smaller.
Posted by: artemis at July 07, 2021 01:04 PM (AwPyG)

I also think that inflation--especially rising fuel prices and the crumbling crime situation are going further narrow the numbers of "warriors" willing to do battle for Biden

Posted by: Ben at July 07, 2021 01:08 PM (mR6Gs)

300 The central government, the US dollar, the federal reserve, is not America. The aforementioned must be allowed to collapse under mismanagement.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy (z5Vrg) - The Republic is Already Dead at July 07, 2021 01:08 PM (z5Vrg)

301 287 Posted by: Red Turban Someguy (z5Vrg) - The Republic is Already Dead at July 07, 2021 01:07 PM (z5Vrg)

There is a lot of ruin in a nation....

my best guess is at least 30 more years here.

Posted by: sven at July 07, 2021 01:08 PM (Lzpvj)

302 I won't withhold my vote in protest of the fraud. I'll withhold it in protest of the backstabbing Republicans who hung the president out to dry.

Posted by: creeper at July 07, 2021 01:08 PM (XxJt1)

303 Yep

That is all

Posted by: havelhavolim at July 07, 2021 01:09 PM (fLpTX)

304 GOP voters should fraudulently vote in states that like lax voter laws

This report just in... massive vote fraud ring involving republican....

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at July 07, 2021 01:09 PM (5atWK)

305 The situation this country finds itself in currently will never be resolved through the ballot box.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 07, 2021 12:43 PM (BFigT)

True

Posted by: MAC SOG'''' at July 07, 2021 01:09 PM (P4Pk9)

306 Until someone can explain in a game theory sense how allowing your opponent unlimited moves leads to a win I'll keep voting.
Posted by: sven

Until someone can explain in game theory sense how MY SIDE RUNNING INTERFERENCE FOR MY OPPONENT leads to a win, I'm done voting.
At least nationally.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 07, 2021 01:09 PM (2w7OO)

307
I'm of the opinion that we should have elected all the quirky Tea Party candidates that won primaries around 2010.
This is why the GOPe attacked them so hard.

Remember Roy Moore? After he got stabbed in the back by the GOPe he led the opposition to mask mandates in Alabama.

Now imagine someone like that in the Senate - he has more cojones then our "heros" Paul, Cruz, and Hawley....

Posted by: 18-1 at July 07, 2021 01:10 PM (DpkTQ)

308 This. This is the one true path to cleaning up elections. Republicans must get good at cheating. "Passing laws" is pretty pointless. Heck we have a CONSTITUTION that is pretty straightforward about elections, and people do not follow it - AND NOTHING PREVENTS THEM FROM DOING THAT. And no punishment afterward.

The only way that this can work is by making lawlessness work against the Dems.
Posted by: blaster at July 07, 2021 01:07 PM (4q7lA)

Only problem I see is there will be investigations and people will go to jail. And then we will hear how the system worked and punished the evil Republican cheaters.

Posted by: Inogame at July 07, 2021 01:10 PM (53oGX)

309 The latest mailing I have received says the RNC is worried that I have abandoned the party.

HA!

Posted by: Weasel at July 07, 2021 01:10 PM (MVjcR)

310 Until someone can explain in a game theory sense how allowing your opponent unlimited moves leads to a win I'll keep voting.

Posted by: sven at July 07, 2021 01:03 PM (Lzpvj)

Pain motivates. Illusion of control placates.

Posted by: flounder at July 07, 2021 01:10 PM (KnJdm)

311 I also think that inflation--especially rising fuel prices and the crumbling crime situation are going further narrow the numbers of "warriors" willing to do battle for Biden
Posted by: Ben at July 07, 2021 01:08 PM (mR6Gs)

That and every single policy position they hold leads to ruination of millions and the enrichment of very few. They will make a lot of enemies.

Posted by: sniffybigoe at July 07, 2021 01:10 PM (UuD2k)

312 GOP voter fraud perps would be hounded to the ends of the earth.

Posted by: bartholomew at July 07, 2021 01:10 PM (aAP3z)

313 The best suggestion I heard recently is that it is a ballot of stinking weasels, vote for the projected loser, take the majority mandate awy.

Posted by: Kindltot at July 07, 2021 01:10 PM (vUsEP)

314 294 Posted by: ... at July 07, 2021 01:07 PM (Sq5xa)

The left is telling you what plans they have for this nation and us, and they are not benign or pretty.

Vote like hell or get flattened.

Posted by: sven at July 07, 2021 01:11 PM (Lzpvj)

315 The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. I learned the value of "stopping the liberal agenda" by voting republican in 2010.

Can't fight two enemies in Washington. Vote or don't vote. I can't fault anyone either way. But if you think handing the majority over to the GOP is going to change anything you're only kidding yourself.

Posted by: SMFH at July 07, 2021 01:11 PM (2iZKp)

316 To those saying that we must vote... to what extent do you bargain with poison?

Do you only take a little?

How can a conservative vote for Romney only because he's the R on the ticket? Should they vote for the dem?

I understand the impulse to not vote. I will never vote for a squish republican again. If it's AOC versus some liberal "R" squish, I will not vote for the squish. I'm not going to bargain with poison. Yes AOC would win if we all felt that way, but I feel the "creative destruction" of the GOP is worth it. As it stands now, the GOP is not my party. They do not stand up for what I believe in.

Posted by: 496 at July 07, 2021 01:11 PM (U1eOr)

317 a lot of people here are falling into the moby trap of thinking we have to win a national election against a huge corrupt machine.

The truth is, Biden won based on the votes of 6(?) crooked counties, and some of those counties were in red states, like Maricopa county, AZ.

The problem is not that huge

Posted by: artemis at July 07, 2021 01:11 PM (AwPyG)

318 Probably already been pointed out, but Vernon is running as a republican in the primary against Kemp.
As a point to consider just how far we've fallen - I don't think Vernon has changed many of his own views...in recent years...which puts him to the right of a lot of the GOPe.

Posted by: 18-1 at July 07, 2021 01:11 PM (DpkTQ)

319 302 I won't withhold my vote in protest of the fraud. I'll withhold it in protest of the backstabbing Republicans who hung the president out to dry.
Posted by: creeper at July 07, 2021 01:08 PM (XxJt1)

Same thing really. The fraud would not have been successful if "our side" didn't want it to be.

Posted by: CN at July 07, 2021 01:11 PM (ONvIw)

320 Tom

It is already turning into a disaster. It seems 1/3 of the country is already Taliban. Around a thousand Afghan soldiers have fled to Tadjikistan. The Taliban is picking up US weapons as if the Afghan Army is the French.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 07, 2021 01:11 PM (mTQFY)

321 Dave in FL,
A slight quibble, it hasn't been 40 years

Woodrow Wilson tried to change the USA 100 years ago.
The Frankfurt School taught this same crap in the 1880s and the 'elites' of those times took the bait, hook, line, and sinker.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at July 07, 2021 01:11 PM (Uv+O+)

322 Until someone can explain in a game theory sense how allowing your opponent unlimited moves leads to a win I'll keep voting.

Posted by: sven at July 07, 2021 01:03 PM (Lzpvj)

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They hate resistance. And their pettiness to resistance will manifest itself more and more.

The left does not seem capable of becoming less angry. We'll see how long America abides this. However, if the country changes under us, we're all down the shit slide anyway, most likely. All it means is regression toward the historic human norm: tyranny.

Posted by: Axeman at July 07, 2021 01:11 PM (XHhHI)

323 My plan for all future voting, local, state, & federal, is to download the Donk voting primer, and then select EVERYTHING they recommend voting against. It's proven they are 100% in on the long march to communism, so anything they want, no matter how small, is a step down that path. Me voting against everything they want, helps keep them from achieving success.

Welcome to the party, pal. That's EXACTLY what I do. TBH, I don't even bother reading the voters' pamphlet. Because in many cases it's intentionally written to be confusing and/or totally misleading ("do you disagree with the proposition to repeal the law that prohibits not banning ...").

Instead I look at the endorsements. Not to tell me what to vote FOR, but rather what to vote AGAINST. If the "Mothers for Peace, Justice, and Bread" endorses something, I'm agin' it, because that's an obvious commie front group.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 07, 2021 01:12 PM (YqDXo)

324 The latest mailing I have received says the RNC is worried that I have abandoned the party.

HA!

Posted by: Weasel at July 07, 2021 01:10 PM (MVjcR)

That's a terrible thing for them to say!

Posted by: 496 at July 07, 2021 01:12 PM (U1eOr)

325 Really, the only solution to high unemployment and inflation is more government control.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at July 07, 2021 01:12 PM (5atWK)

326 Well, I was in a meeting.

How much heat did I take?

Posted by: Dave in Fla at July 07, 2021 01:12 PM (JlLqX)

327 Voting galvanizes emotional and mental energy. It brings purpose. You can vote AND gripe all day long here.

Posted by: SFGoth at July 07, 2021 01:12 PM (KAi1n)

328 Excellent job Dave in FL.

As Orange Man Bad said: ' What have you got to lose?'

Vote-- in all the various ways Dave describes.

Posted by: Beyond Norman Parameters at July 07, 2021 01:12 PM (vBhs3)

329 Everything hinges on the Karens and Wine Moms of Suburbia.
If they come to their senses, we might have a chance to turn this baby around!

We should strive to make sure their precious Beckys and Kyles are victimized by their own mother's political beliefs.

Posted by: Ben at July 07, 2021 01:12 PM (mR6Gs)

330 I want to agree with you, but I don't think I do. We can't all move to Texas and Florida. Even if we did, they could then simply rig elections and court decisions in a few places and achieve their fraudulent ends.

I suspect the "great divorce" is inevitable as the Bolsheviks have proven marginally adept at cheating at every step. They are simply too stupid and inept to do it with any nuance and have resorted to open, obvious, glaring fraud. And so far it worked.

Baring a change there, the problems we face won't and can't be resolved at the ballot box.

I wish I didn't believe that but I have seen nothing to change my mind in the last 5 years.

Posted by: WarEagle82 at July 07, 2021 01:12 PM (+Kpte)

331 306 Posted by: rickb223 at July 07, 2021 01:09 PM (2w7OO)

Can you show me one example of the idiot wine mom karens saying "well ralph there keeps us from getting everything I want therefore I am never voting donk again?"

Seriously.

Posted by: sven at July 07, 2021 01:12 PM (Lzpvj)

332 All this presupposes that the voting mechanism is intact and functions as it should. We know now that that is not true any longer.

We can vote in higher numbers, and they'll just cheat even higher numbers.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at July 07, 2021 01:12 PM (OU+8W)

333 The only way that this can work is by making lawlessness work against the Dems.
Posted by: blaster at July 07, 2021 01:07 PM (4q7lA)

Have fun in jail. Code Pink harasses congress critters in the Capital, no arrests. People walk through the Capital on 1/6, arrested, no trial date, and solitary confinement.

Posted by: WiNO - The Odds Are Never in Our Favor at July 07, 2021 01:12 PM (EpDzw)

334 301 287 Posted by: Red Turban Someguy (z5Vrg) - The Republic is Already Dead at July 07, 2021 01:07 PM (z5Vrg)

There is a lot of ruin in a nation....

my best guess is at least 30 more years here.
Posted by: sven at July 07, 2021 01:08 PM (Lzpvj)

Only around half of people in their 30s have ever married today. If somehow the United States exists as a single country in 30 years without having going through a period of disunity, it'll be populated by barbarians. I'm basically advocating for a controlled crash landing of sorts.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy (z5Vrg) - The Republic is Already Dead at July 07, 2021 01:13 PM (z5Vrg)

335 This. This is the one true path to cleaning up elections. Republicans must get good at cheating. "Passing laws" is pretty pointless. Heck we have a CONSTITUTION that is pretty straightforward about elections, and people do not follow it - AND NOTHING PREVENTS THEM FROM DOING THAT. And no punishment afterward.

And yet people think an Article V will somehow change shit.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 07, 2021 01:13 PM (2w7OO)

336 No you're not a troll. Just a fucking coward who sits on his ass and throws stones. You must live a sad life, having never taken a stand for anything. You're just another malcontent with nothing useful to say. Just a lot of quitting and divisive fallacy to spout. But I guess that comes easy after being a coward for so long. Really, what a pathetic life.

Posted by: Marcus T at July 07, 2021 01:02 PM (a1CRn)

If I start on you here, I will be the one warned - and likely banned at least temporarily - for making things personal. I have this way about me.

So I'll let your petty annoying bullshit slide. But I'm sorry your pea brain can't handle a little disagreement, Captain Courageous.

Posted by: ... at July 07, 2021 01:13 PM (Sq5xa)

337 The problem is not that huge

Posted by: artemis at July 07, 2021 01:11 PM (AwPyG)

Not really the problem though. The problem is getting the GOPe to do something, anything about it. Currently, the official position is that there is no problem. See the problem?

Posted by: flounder at July 07, 2021 01:13 PM (KnJdm)

338 326 Well, I was in a meeting.

How much heat did I take?
Posted by: Dave in Fla at July 07, 2021 01:12 PM (JlLqX)

=========

I think you were murdered seven times but resuscitated the same number.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at July 07, 2021 01:13 PM (LvTSG)

339 309 The latest mailing I have received says the RNC is worried that I have abandoned the party.

HA!

Posted by: Weasel at July 07, 2021 01:10 PM (MVjcR)

Are you getting mail addressed to someone else coming to your home? I am with a big orange warning that I can go to prison and fined if the mail is "tampered with". I send it back "return to sender, no such person". It's pretty freaky.

Posted by: CN at July 07, 2021 01:14 PM (ONvIw)

340
GOP voter fraud perps would be hounded to the ends of the earth.
The SC ruled election fraud is fine on the national level and only something that can be handled on the state level.
So any purple state with an R governor should be able to play the game. Of course most of those R governors are gutless and/or corrupt.

But hell I want to see some county of say 100K people produce a 150K margin for an R senator and just quote back to the left there is no evidence of fraud.

Posted by: 18-1 at July 07, 2021 01:14 PM (DpkTQ)

341 Vote early, vote often.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 07, 2021 01:14 PM (yQpMk)

342 The 13 year old girl who carjacked and killed the old man uber driver in DC gets 6 years in juvie lockup then released with records sealed.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at July 07, 2021 01:14 PM (5atWK)

343 Can you show me one example of the idiot wine mom karens saying "well ralph there keeps us from getting everything I want therefore I am never voting donk again?"

Seriously.
Posted by: sven

Can you show me where Pence stopped the steal?

Posted by: rickb223 at July 07, 2021 01:14 PM (2w7OO)

344 It is already turning into a disaster. It seems 1/3 of the country is already Taliban. Around a thousand Afghan soldiers have fled to Tadjikistan. The Taliban is picking up US weapons as if the Afghan Army is the French.
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 07, 2021 01:11 PM (mTQFY)

I doubt it will take much longer than september october for the taliban to achieve complete control control, including kabul, and not including some of the northern territories. It will back to the year 2000 but they will have better weapons, the ones we left to the afghan "Army". Sigh

Oh an september may be an optimistic estimate

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 07, 2021 01:14 PM (Irn0L)

345 Until someone can explain in a game theory sense how allowing your opponent unlimited moves leads to a win I'll keep voting.

Posted by: sven at July 07, 2021 01:03 PM (Lzpvj)

I look at it this way: what leftist policies have ever worked worth a damn? None. They're hopeless screwups, and the more they get their way, the more fractious they become (as we're seeing now between the Pelosi and Squad factions).

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 07, 2021 01:14 PM (YqDXo)

346 >>>So I urge people to quit voting. As long as this system remains intact, I'll always take the opportunity to urge that. Because I believe it's right.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 07, 2021 01:02 PM (Ink9N)
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Right. And things will turn out just like the last election in GA when all the Pubbies stayed home.
THEY WIN.

Posted by: Braenyard, (Zd0xi) at July 07, 2021 01:14 PM (Zd0xi)

347 And our side said , nope no fraud, or hardly any. They stole the election by shutting down the count . I don't remember any precedent for this, but Mitch, Barr, and Kevin said "everything is fine". I don't trust them enough to vote for them and their ilk, and I think only trusted donk allies will get in. They showed no shock, and offered no explanation for why we need reform. If there was no or negligible fraud, don't fix what ain't broke.
Posted by: CN at July 07, 2021 01:05 PM (ONvIw)

This is what was most disheartening, that "our side" was happy with the theft. How do you fight that?

Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at July 07, 2021 01:14 PM (g5I2H)

348 Voting galvanizes emotional and mental energy. It brings purpose. You can vote AND gripe all day long here.
Posted by: SFGoth
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Sounds kinda like the yahoos pimping the jab.

"Get the jab and do what you want all day long."

I can bitch and do what I want without voting and getting the jab.

Posted by: SMH at July 07, 2021 01:14 PM (PZBsS)

349 In April our community upped our turnout by 3X and determined a city council rep election.

We are all registered dem here because the primary is the general (and the GOP is feckless and corrupt and there's no hope for any good candidate making a slate).

The winner is modern democrat but is more ignorant than evil. The one we defeated threatened to target our community personally.

Voting matters.

Posted by: havelhavolim at July 07, 2021 01:14 PM (fLpTX)

350 I suspect the "great divorce" is inevitable ---------------- Perhaps. Eventually the country will dissolve. History says its likely. When is a difficult question to answer. This country fought a bloody civil war and remained in tact. That doesn't sound like a viable option, but it happened once. I'm still of the Reagan mindset as to what our option is. "We win, they lose."

Posted by: SH (Non-Elite) at July 07, 2021 01:15 PM (sX1BW)

351 Interesting, that our Dave attracts so many trolls

Posted by: artemis at July 07, 2021 01:15 PM (AwPyG)

352 I understand people who don't want to vote. Your choice. But you better not come into the comments bitching and moaning about everything around you is collapsing.

Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at July 07, 2021 01:15 PM (wfhqU)

353 317 a lot of people here are falling into the moby trap of thinking we have to win a national election against a huge corrupt machine.

The truth is, Biden won based on the votes of 6(?) crooked counties, and some of those counties were in red states, like Maricopa county, AZ.

The problem is not that huge
Posted by: artemis at July 07, 2021 01:11 PM (AwPyG)

FDR and the Great Depression was bad but survivable. Russia eventually came out the other side of the USSR. Our civilization is dying (Amish and Mormons excluded to some degree).

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy (z5Vrg) - The Republic is Already Dead at July 07, 2021 01:15 PM (z5Vrg)

354 Late... everything worth opining on.... has been opined...

Posted by: kraken at July 07, 2021 01:15 PM (6Je/Q)

355 How much heat did I take?

Posted by: Dave in Fla at July 07, 2021 01:12 PM (JlLqX)

Most, except a few, are concentrating on the issue.

Posted by: flounder at July 07, 2021 01:15 PM (KnJdm)

356 With the filibuster hanging on for dear life, we are close to having Democrat rule forever. Once DC and PR become states and they pack the Supreme Court it's over and every little bit we take for granted will be gone. Some may want to see it burn, but there will be no recovery.

Posted by: redridinghood at July 07, 2021 01:15 PM (NpAcC)

357 The left is telling you what plans they have for this nation and us, and they are not benign or pretty.

Vote like hell or get flattened.

Posted by: sven at July 07, 2021 01:11 PM (Lzpvj)

I don't see the people we are "voting" with any intentions of stopping them. Just giving them an air of legitimacy. If you find some, by all means, vote for them.

Posted by: ... at July 07, 2021 01:15 PM (Sq5xa)

358 You can try and vote in decent judges at the local level too. I do vote even though it doesn't count for much. I vote against any tax increases. And I will not vote for Jamie Herrera Beutler again, no matter what she has after her name.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at July 07, 2021 01:15 PM (5HBd1)

359 Hope vs Reality

Yeah sure, fair enough, I'll still vote.

@Dave in Fla-I'll assume this is your Plan A, now I'll look forward to your posts on Plan B.

We all know the left is not going to let us live all snug and cozy in our safe little red states(especially while they are leaving their blue shitholes in droves for states like Texas and Florida). The left obey no laws and do what they want, make shit up. We need a Plan B for this.

Posted by: JROD at July 07, 2021 01:15 PM (0jZnq)

360 Voting in the downballot races is extremely important. Those school boards or mayoral races are the feeder system to the state and national levels. Learn about the people who want to represent you at those levels and start blocking the nut jobs as soon as possible before they get their electoral careers going.
Dave said this will be a long process. It was a generational take over and will need a generational effort to take it back.
Trump will NOT save us. He just pointed out the way and where the work needs to get done.

Posted by: Janir at July 07, 2021 01:16 PM (ncVsv)

361 You have to keep the pressure on the left because pressure is how your enemy makes mistakes.

They have been making message mistake after message mistake of late. Because they do not live in a world of weight and gravity, they live in a world of manipulatable words.

This is why massive country-wide destruction is nothing to worry about and "mostly peaceful" and a few hours of un-armed insurrection produced fewer straight-out non-interpreted victims as David Dorn one of the first nights of the Purge.

Posted by: Axeman at July 07, 2021 01:16 PM (XHhHI)

362 This is what was most disheartening, that "our side" was happy with the theft. How do you fight that?
Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt

Vote harder. That's all it takes. Vote harder. Squeeze your sphincter tighter when you mark your ballot. Vote harder.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 07, 2021 01:16 PM (2w7OO)

363
339 309 The latest mailing I have received says the RNC is worried that I have abandoned the party.

HA!

Posted by: Weasel at July 07, 2021 01:10 PM (MVjcR)

Are you getting mail addressed to someone else coming to your home? I am with a big orange warning that I can go to prison and fined if the mail is "tampered with". I send it back "return to sender, no such person". It's pretty freaky.
Posted by: CN at July 07, 2021 01:14 PM (ONvIw)
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Haven't seen that. Our mailman doesn't actually deliver mail, but rather simply passes out envelopes. All the neighbors gather in the street later to sort the mess out.

Posted by: Weasel at July 07, 2021 01:16 PM (MVjcR)

364 343 Posted by: rickb223 at July 07, 2021 01:14 PM (2w7OO)

No, can you read my posts?

Yes the GOP establishment shrugged at the steal, and it WAS A steal there is no way 6 counties who all mysteriously stopped counting in a move telegraphed by Pelosi months earlier all magically went for Biden in high numbers than Urkle.

Pence thinks he has a future, if you think I am advocating handing him one I am done typing.

Posted by: sven at July 07, 2021 01:16 PM (Lzpvj)

365 How much heat did I take?

Posted by: Dave in Fla at July 07, 2021 01:12 PM (JlLqX)

None from my vantage point.

I agree 100%

Even if I didn't , I wouldn't boycott voting regardless.

Posted by: Ben at July 07, 2021 01:17 PM (mR6Gs)

366
And yes, of course I'll still vote on ballot measures. But not for any major Party candidate, ever, for any reason. If there is an acceptable third-party candidate, perhaps. But certainly not any D or R. I'm not going to keep enabling these people.

How many times do the Republicans have to do their thing before people start cluing in? You can't reform them. It's been tried, hard. Twice in my voting life, and once before. They do not change. They do not care. They are part of the machine, and you are not, and those are the breaks.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 07, 2021 01:17 PM (Ink9N)

367 Most important elections.... Sheriff, and County Commissioners...

Posted by: kraken at July 07, 2021 01:17 PM (6Je/Q)

368 I doubt it will take much longer than september october for the taliban to achieve complete control control, including kabul, and not including some of the northern territories.

Honestly, if the Taliban (or their masters in Pakistan) have learned not to harbor terrorists of international reach, then we will have achieved what we sought at the very beginning before all the nation-building bs. I couldn't care less if little Afghan girls get to go to school except in the aw-what-a-shame sense.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 07, 2021 01:17 PM (yQpMk)

369 "I will probably vote for Rubio"
-Dave in FL

GOP shills out themselves.

FFS, Rubio was a Russiagate conspirator. Oh yeah, let's keep the asshole in power.

Ace HQ is becoming Breitbart. How long before Ace and his crew drop any references to election fraud?

Posted by: GOP shill at July 07, 2021 01:17 PM (DnvAO)

370
This is what was most disheartening, that "our side" was happy with the theft. How do you fight that?
Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at July 07, 2021 01:14 PM (g5I2H)

Not by giving them back their "failure theater".

Posted by: CN at July 07, 2021 01:17 PM (ONvIw)

371 Now imagine someone like that in the Senate - he has more cojones then our "heros" Paul, Cruz, and Hawley....

Posted by: 18-1 at July 07, 2021 01:10 PM (DpkTQ)
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People were weirded out because he was looking for an 18 year-old wife at age 30 or so, but in a few years it will be perfectly normal for a 60 year-old to have an 8 year-old wife because "love wins".

Posted by: zmdavid at July 07, 2021 01:17 PM (xqRaG)

372 "326 Well, I was in a meeting.

How much heat did I take?

Posted by: Dave in Fla at July 07, 2021 01:12 PM (JlLqX)"

As much as you were expecting.

Posted by: creeper at July 07, 2021 01:17 PM (XxJt1)

373 @346

It's interesting, though, because the pretty blonde senator from GA (Loeffler?) you know--the one who shorted a bunch of stock just before the covid shutdown, is married to the chairman of the corrupt SEC.

That she lost was a puzzler--you'd think both sides would want her in.

Posted by: artemis at July 07, 2021 01:17 PM (AwPyG)

374 I do think paying attention to Sheriff races is good advice. Local city Fifes are worthless in rural Texas.

Posted by: Too Bad Costa Rica Sucks at July 07, 2021 01:17 PM (oWBc3)

375 351 Interesting, that our Dave attracts so many trolls
Posted by: artemis at July 07, 2021 01:15 PM (AwPyG)

Yeah, that right there speaks volumes to me.

Hang in there, Dave.

Posted by: BifBewalski @ (VcFUs) - at July 07, 2021 01:18 PM (VcFUs)

376 342 The 13 year old girl who carjacked and killed the old man uber driver in DC gets 6 years in juvie lockup then released with records sealed.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at July 07, 2021 01:14 PM (5atWK)
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I'm sure we haven't heard the last from her.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 07, 2021 01:18 PM (YqDXo)

377 #20 "Keep voting, keep forcing the Dems into rigging elections, and the more
it takes for them to rig elections the more likely something will break
and make their manipulation obvious to more people.". . .Sounds great! Then we can take thpse damn election thieves to court and see them convicted, and...wait, what judge would allow that?. . .Wait, I got it: A state can sue a fraud-won state for a civil-rights violation, since the fraud nullified legitimate votes in the suing state. Yeah, dat's it! Wait...didn't Texas try that after November? Yeah, Texas did, and the Supreme Court refused to even hear the case! The refusal was one paragraph, unsigned, and failed to cite a legal basis for the refusal. So much for that.. . .But at least voting will make some conservatives feel better, so there's that.

Posted by: sf at July 07, 2021 01:18 PM (fmJQu)

378 @372

You attacked a truckload of moby trolls, which is a very good sign

Posted by: artemis at July 07, 2021 01:18 PM (AwPyG)

379 I understand people who don't want to vote. Your choice. But you better not come into the comments bitching and moaning about everything around you is collapsing.

Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal

Bitching and moaning? Fuck. I'm praying this shit burns.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 07, 2021 01:18 PM (2w7OO)

380 Ace HQ is becoming Breitbart. How long before Ace and his crew drop any references to election fraud?
Posted by: GOP shill
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Not quite.

Some of us are too cowardly to vote for the Gope.

Posted by: SMH at July 07, 2021 01:19 PM (PZBsS)

381 Yes, we can vote, but I fear that, sooner rather than later, we will have no other choice, but to vote with our guns.

Posted by: Archer at July 07, 2021 01:19 PM (gmo/4)

382 326 Well, I was in a meeting.

How much heat did I take?
Posted by: Dave in Fla at July 07, 2021 01:12 PM (JlLqX)
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Well we haven't started talking about boobs or guns yet, if that is any indication.

Posted by: Weasel at July 07, 2021 01:19 PM (MVjcR)

383 There are big changes in the LP.

It is too early to tell if it is meaningful in any way, but there are major changes in personnel and a number of previously important people jumping ship. They seem to be suceded by the Austrian economics oriented folk

It may no longer be the party of streamers and pot first and always

Posted by: Kindltot at July 07, 2021 01:19 PM (vUsEP)

384 But you better not come into the comments bitching and moaning about everything around you is collapsing.

Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal
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Or what?

You'll bitch back?

Posted by: SMH at July 07, 2021 01:19 PM (PZBsS)

385 Time to mail your ballots in! 100x matching ends at midnight!

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at July 07, 2021 01:19 PM (5atWK)

386 I don't vote GOP to vote for the lesser of two evils, I vote GOP to against the greater of two evils.

Posted by: davidt at July 07, 2021 01:19 PM (iz6eW)

387 TINVOWOOT.
Seriously. Voting "R" has become a fool's errand, and I am sick of being seen as foolish.

Posted by: rustbucket at July 07, 2021 01:19 PM (H2lUc)

388 YES. YES. YES.

Thank you, Dave, for the grownup take on our situation and what must be done. Is America worth FIGHTING for?

Is our freedom?

Posted by: Beverly at July 07, 2021 01:20 PM (Zeg27)

389 Yes the GOP establishment shrugged at the steal, and it WAS A steal there is no way 6 counties who all mysteriously stopped counting in a move telegraphed by Pelosi months earlier all magically went for Biden in high numbers than Urkle.

Pence thinks he has a future, if you think I am advocating handing him one I am done typing.
Posted by: sven at July 07, 2021 01:16 PM (Lzpvj)

Here's something do I wonder. For GOPe'rs like Pence, is it that Trump was a threat to their grift? Or is it that they just think that Trump as President is not worth the trouble, i.e., "he's too divisive and brings out the worst in the Democrats, so let's get rid of him"

Posted by: Ben at July 07, 2021 01:20 PM (mR6Gs)

390 Nope. Won't vote again. There is no difference between the repubs and dems anymore.

Posted by: Megthered at July 07, 2021 01:20 PM (9Qh13)

391 Proof that delusion rules both side.

Posted by: Less Than Nothing at July 07, 2021 01:20 PM (pTcmy)

392 -----
Haven't seen that. Our mailman doesn't actually deliver mail, but rather simply passes out envelopes. All the neighbors gather in the street later to sort the mess out.
Posted by: Weasel at July 07, 2021 01:16 PM (MVjcR)

I got it from RNC and Heritage, so I guess Heritage is "failure theater" too. Both addressed to Mr. John Stetson. I've lived at my address for 40 years and am the original owner. What kind of bullshit is this? They can both take their "warning" and shove it up their asses.

Posted by: CN at July 07, 2021 01:20 PM (ONvIw)

393 One reason I'm seriously considering not voting for federal candidates is that I believe that adding real votes to the pool of fraudulent votes adds a veneer of legitimacy to the cheat.

One counterpoint is that enough voters would have to sit out or boycot the election to make it obvious that we'd done so, and I just don't see that happening.
Posted by: Grudge Harbor at July 07, 2021 12:34 PM (uhPTO)

maybe this? if everyone votes local only, then it's obvious what's really going on when the votes in a state don't match the votes for federal office. if a gov race in a state gets 4 mil votes, but the senator only gets 2 mil, you think that sends a message?

Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at July 07, 2021 01:20 PM (8D42x)

394 If you are in a reliably red state or purple state that has reasonable and enforced voting laws, I say vote every time, go for it. But I have determined voting in my state is the same as playing 3 card monte. And I don't play 3 card monte.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 07, 2021 01:21 PM (r+sAi)

395 >Until someone can explain in game theory sense how MY SIDE RUNNING INTERFERENCE FOR MY OPPONENT leads to a win, I'm done voting.
At least nationally.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 07, 2021 01:09 PM (2w7OO)

This right here. "Game theory" (at least regarding elections, within the nominal election system) goes out the door when the entire fucking game is rigged and both players get to cornhole you no matter who "wins".

There are other levels of game theory, such as leveraging media and corporate power, using social pressure, or when people start voting from the rooftops, but I don't know if that will ever be applicable to our situation.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at July 07, 2021 01:21 PM (DXFDM)

396 365 How much heat did I take?

Posted by: Dave in Fla at July 07, 2021 01:12 PM (JlLqX)

None from my vantage point. I agree 100%

Even if I didn't , I wouldn't boycott voting regardless.
Posted by: Ben at July 07, 2021 01:17 PM (mR6Gs)

Same here. I'm 100% with you, Dave.

Srsly, how much trouble is it to vote? Eschewing voting is EXACTLY what the Reds want us to do.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 07, 2021 01:21 PM (YqDXo)

397 Vote like hell or get flattened.

Posted by: sven at July 07, 2021 01:11 PM (Lzpvj)

Vote like hell and get flattened slowly.

Posted by: flounder at July 07, 2021 01:21 PM (KnJdm)

398 The remaining US forces are now concentrated in Kabul and the airport there.

Yeah, got a bad feeling about that. Beirut comes to mind.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 07, 2021 01:21 PM (mTQFY)

399 152 3) States have the power to act independently from the Federal government
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No. They really don't. Supremacy Clause. Commerce Clause.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 07, 2021 12:45 PM (2w7OO)
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See: _ Ron DeSantis, FL.

Posted by: Braenyard, (Zd0xi) at July 07, 2021 01:21 PM (Zd0xi)

400 We're overlooking one major player: the Media.

The Media ginned up hatred for Trump to incandescent levels. They are they true enemy. The Democrats couldn't do anything without the Media shielding them.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at July 07, 2021 01:21 PM (OU+8W)

401 Now is not the time to stop voting, especially here in Texas where the Left has taken most of our major cities and REPUBLICANS allowed the Leftists to render this last legislative session ineffective. Vote smarter. NOW. Figure out who is who on the local level and start fighting back. I regret Trump endorsed Abbott because Abbott's actions before the pandemic with the talk about the Red Flag laws, his power grab during the pandemic, and his alignment with some unsavory contributors during the legislative session were eye opening. And yes, we had voter fraud here in Texas... hundreds of cases. Texans still have a chance to turn it around but it won't happen unless we start voting smarter.

Posted by: itsacookbook at July 07, 2021 01:21 PM (yPxXc)

402 Voting in the downballot races is extremely important. Those school boards or mayoral races are the feeder system to the state and national levels. Learn about the people who want to represent you at those levels and start blocking the nut jobs as soon as possible before they get their electoral careers going.
Dave said this will be a long process. It was a generational take over and will need a generational effort to take it back.
Trump will NOT save us. He just pointed out the way and where the work needs to get done.
Posted by: Janir at July 07, 2021 01:16 PM (ncVsv)
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Exactly. One thing this year has shown me is thatI am guilty of not doing a thorough enough job researching the candidates running for school board. This won't happen the next time.

Posted by: redridinghood at July 07, 2021 01:21 PM (NpAcC)

403 Libertarians stand for nothing. Less than nothing. Worse than the worst hippies. They are shit. Literally, they are what's left over after everything usable is extracted.

Posted by: Uncle Rick

I didn't realize I'm that bad. You must be great fun at online parties.

Posted by: SFGoth at July 07, 2021 01:22 PM (KAi1n)

404 Posted by: Ben at July 07, 2021 01:20 PM (mR6Gs)

Pence got a 4M book deal, nice work if you can get it. Who's going to buy his book? Soros?

Posted by: CN at July 07, 2021 01:22 PM (ONvIw)

405 Notice that trump is specifically calling out those on the Rep side who claimed there was no problem with the election.

He's put a blow torch on McConnell and Chris Wallace, for two. I don't think he'd do that if he thought he'd have to work with them in the future

Posted by: artemis at July 07, 2021 01:22 PM (AwPyG)

406 I do think paying attention to Sheriff races is good advice. Local city Fifes are worthless in rural Texas.
Posted by: Too Bad Costa Rica Sucks at July 07, 2021 01:17 PM (oWBc3)
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School boards control what your child sees and hears.

But only if you send your kids to government schools.

It's funny though, in the Church vs. State scenario Schools are like the High Priests glowering down on people who would be oppressed if anybody said the word "Jesus". However, judges are now finding them NOT power, but assemblages of the taxpayer's money that no longer want to be responsive to the taxpayer that has an independent right to "free speech" protection if they want to teach that some people are born into the bad race.

Because the Words-can-mean-anything-we-want people have taken power.

Posted by: Axeman at July 07, 2021 01:22 PM (XHhHI)

407 Good thing there's no law forcing people to vote.

Posted by: SMH at July 07, 2021 01:22 PM (PZBsS)

408 59 A pretty smart feller said something about doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at July 07, 2021 12:32 PM (DXFDM)

Yeah but he didn't believe in quantum physics.

Posted by: Commander Tacticool at July 07, 2021 01:22 PM (Lsu/B)

409 Everybody doin ok Elsa storm wise?

Posted by: banana Dream at July 07, 2021 01:22 PM (4D/dn)

410 I resent the hell out of being labeled a troll because I disagree with Dave. Yes, this place is becoming more like Breitbart every day.

Posted by: creeper at July 07, 2021 01:22 PM (XxJt1)

411 People were weirded out because he was looking for an 18 year-old wife at age 30 or so
He married his 24 year old wife when he was 38. I know some wine moms that "eww'd" that but frankly it is still not particularly unusual even now, and was extremely common before say 40 years ago. JFK was 12 years older then his wife as an example.

And yeah, as you pointed out "love is love" right?

Posted by: 18-1 at July 07, 2021 01:22 PM (DpkTQ)

412 @404

It will be like the Obamas, where the book never even gets written.

And no one says a peep

Posted by: artemis at July 07, 2021 01:22 PM (AwPyG)

413 if everyone votes local only, then it's obvious what's really going on when the votes in a state don't match the votes for federal office. if a gov race in a state gets 4 mil votes, but the senator only gets 2 mil, you think that sends a message?
Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at July 07, 2021 01:20 PM (8D42x)

Nope, I don't. We're political junkies, but most people are not, and have no idea of the relative voter turnouts for the various offices.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 07, 2021 01:23 PM (YqDXo)

414 I think one part of Dave in FLA's post that needs more emphasis is not sending money to any national GOP groups. Not voting for them is pretty abstract, as compared to starving them of cash.

Unfortunately, I've never given to them so I can't stop doing something I'm not doing already. But we need to starve them until they put up candidates who will fight for our side.

Posted by: 496 at July 07, 2021 01:23 PM (U1eOr)

415 402 Exactly. One thing this year has shown me is thatI am guilty of not doing a thorough enough job researching the candidates running for school board. This won't happen the next time.
Posted by: redridinghood at July 07, 2021 01:21 PM (NpAcC)

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There's libertarian, and then there's Libertarian.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at July 07, 2021 01:23 PM (LvTSG)

416 We're overlooking one major player: the Media.

The Media ginned up hatred for Trump to incandescent levels. They are they true enemy. The Democrats couldn't do anything without the Media shielding them.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at July 07, 2021 01:21 PM (OU+8W

Yup....and why? Trump was great for their business.
Why should they even care. I guess DC parties are great, but what should they care who the president is?

They get to cover whoever it is.

Posted by: Ben at July 07, 2021 01:23 PM (mR6Gs)

417 See: _ Ron DeSantis, FL.
Posted by: Braenyard, (Zd0xi) at July 07, 2021 01:21 PM (Zd0xi)

I await the fed response. Blue states can have sanctuary cities, I don't bet on red states getting away with the conservative equivalents.

Posted by: CN at July 07, 2021 01:23 PM (ONvIw)

418 Get involved. Start researching the primary candidates and support one you like. Run for local office. I ran for my local school board and got walloped but at least it's better than throwing up my hands and quitting. Win later by losing now is a stupid strategy.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at July 07, 2021 01:23 PM (kTF2Z)

419 Pence thinks he has a future, if you think I am advocating handing him one I am done typing.
Posted by: sven

I don't think you are advocating for HIM to have a future, but are you advocating to vote for republicans? Because I can't see any difference.

What did the PA gope or AZ gope do to stop the vote? What did ANY gope member do?

Posted by: rickb223 at July 07, 2021 01:24 PM (2w7OO)

420 382 326 Well, I was in a meeting.

How much heat did I take?
Posted by: Dave in Fla at July 07, 2021 01:12 PM (JlLqX)
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Well we haven't started talking about boobs or guns yet, if that is any indication.
Posted by: Weasel at July 07, 2021 01:19 PM (MVjcR)

Well, now we are.

My local gun club is introducing a timed target tree. 2 ten round magazines, 22lr. Winner is the one with the least amount of targets on "his" side after two minutes. Open iron sights only. 50 & 100 yards.

Posted by: BifBewalski @ (VcFUs) - at July 07, 2021 01:24 PM (VcFUs)

421 I resent the hell out of being labeled a troll because I disagree with
Dave. Yes, this place is becoming more like Breitbart every day. ---------------- Sometimes the word gets thrown around a little too cavalierly around here when people have legitimate arguments against others.

Posted by: SH (Non-Elite) at July 07, 2021 01:24 PM (sX1BW)

422 Some of you may not know that in the early 70's, it was illegal in Virginia (or, perhaps just FFx Co.) to serve liquor in restaurants. Is that the kind of conservatism you advocate?

Posted by: SFGoth at July 07, 2021 01:24 PM (KAi1n)

423 I'm to the right of Genghis Khan

and I live in far western MA

but I still vote, every fucking time

Posted by: REDACTED at July 07, 2021 01:24 PM (8o8kf)

424 a lot of people ditched public schools last year.

which is more votes for vouchers

Posted by: artemis at July 07, 2021 01:24 PM (AwPyG)

425 397 Vote like hell or get flattened.

Posted by: sven at July 07, 2021 01:11 PM (Lzpvj)

Vote like hell and get flattened slowly.
Posted by: flounder at July 07, 2021 01:21 PM (KnJdm)

Help the commies balance the budget and strengthen the military!

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy (z5Vrg) - The Republic is Already Dead at July 07, 2021 01:24 PM (z5Vrg)

426 So many people as evidenced here are disaffected these days. It makes for spirited discussions about voting here, but it doesn't lead to the promised land for the left. This isn't going to end well.

Posted by: Too Bad Costa Rica Sucks at July 07, 2021 01:24 PM (oWBc3)

427 235 195 O/T: UCSD had a "Free The Nipple" event where chicks went topless to protest "body shaming". No word on if the participants were women you'd *want* to see topless.
Posted by: Ian S. at July 07, 2021 12:52 PM (ZGrMX)

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The hot ones were body shamed and told to ride at the back of the march.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at July 07, 2021 12:59 PM (LvTSG)

HEY MY TITS ARE DOWN HERE

Posted by: rhennigantx at July 07, 2021 01:24 PM (yrol0)

428 The Media does what their billionaire owners tell them to do, and the Democrat Party does what the Media tells them to do.

It all goes back to the Plutocrats.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 07, 2021 01:25 PM (yQpMk)

429 @423

I once saw a license plate that said RT OF RUSH

Posted by: artemis at July 07, 2021 01:25 PM (AwPyG)

430 A lot of discussion of Dominion above. I've been looking at numbers from 2020 and comparing to 2016. I don't think Dominion was the tool used to steal.

So it is an interesting meme, and a shortcut to say what you mean. But the theft was done differently.

I'll be writing some analysis in the next few days.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at July 07, 2021 01:25 PM (JlLqX)

431 it was illegal in Virginia (or, perhaps just FFx Co.) to serve liquor in
restaurants. Is that the kind of conservatism you advocate? -------------- it would speed up the drink service time.

Posted by: SH (Non-Elite) at July 07, 2021 01:25 PM (sX1BW)

432 Sometimes the word gets thrown around a little too cavalierly around here when people have legitimate arguments against others.
Posted by: SH (Non-Elite)
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Disagreement is commie, didn't you get the memo?

Posted by: SMH at July 07, 2021 01:25 PM (PZBsS)

433 I know voting makes a big difference here in Haiti. I voted for our President, and he...
Well, on the bright side, I get to vote again soon.

Posted by: Jean Baptiste duPovertie at July 07, 2021 01:26 PM (Cge5i)

434
Unfortunately, I've never given to them so I can't stop doing something I'm not doing already. But we need to starve them until they put up candidates who will fight for our side.
Posted by: 496 at July 07, 2021 01:23 PM (U1eOr)

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I quit sending those dickweeds cash six years ago, so I'm with you in that boat. But yes, of the two parties, money is the major motivator for the GOP. Starve of them of their precious grift.

Of course, they'll just get backstopped by big Dem donors, like they've done with "our" media mouthpieces, but it can't hurt. And you could buy something else. Dryer lint, whatever. Whatever it is, it's worth more.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 07, 2021 01:26 PM (Ink9N)

435 For GOPe'rs like Pence, is it that Trump was a threat to their grift?
Posted by: Ben at July 07, 2021 01:20 PM (mR6Gs)

Trump wasn't a threat to their grift. Trump had destroyed their grift. Under Trump, there was barely no grift to be made. That sweet "Foreign Aid" money laundering scam had stopped. That alone made everyone in DC filthy rich.

That explains why so many Republicabs suddenly left office in 2018.

Posted by: GOP shill at July 07, 2021 01:26 PM (DnvAO)

436 While Kemp was generally good during COVID, his refusal to act during the election cost us Georgia and two Senate seats. The bottom line is use your vote as a weapon, and be willing to vote for the most leftist Democrat in history

Worst.Advice.In.Galactic.History.

It's how we got here. GHW Bush wasn'a very good POTUS, at all.
But he was better than what your startegy gave us -- Bill The Rapist Clinton.

And The Rapist begat the Lying Cocksucker In Chief (LCINC), almost got us Ubercunt and gave us Joey Fingers/KamalToe.
Not quite a Butterfly Effect but close enough.

A bad Republican is better than the best dimocrap in human history.

The above advice is shit

Posted by: Uncle Rick at July 07, 2021 01:26 PM (48/MM)

437 @EmeraldRobinson 11 min

The state of Pennsylvania is starting a forensic audit of the 2020 election by requesting information from several key counties.

Posted by: Tami at July 07, 2021 01:26 PM (cF8AT)

438 Some of you may not know that in the early 70's, it was illegal in Virginia (or, perhaps just FFx Co.) to serve liquor in restaurants. Is that the kind of conservatism you advocate?
Posted by: SFGoth at July 07, 2021 01:24 PM (KAi1n)

Is that what the voters wanted? Is there an issue with self-government if the majority doesn't like what you do?

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 07, 2021 01:26 PM (yQpMk)

439 @422

If that's what the people of the state want, then its none of my business.

(See: current alcohol laws in Salt Lake City)

Posted by: artemis at July 07, 2021 01:27 PM (AwPyG)

440 Exactly. One thing this year has shown me is thatI am guilty of not doing a thorough enough job researching the candidates running for school board. This won't happen the next time.
Posted by: redridinghood at July 07, 2021 01:21 PM (NpAcC)
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I say again: look at the endorsements to save time. If a candidate is endorsed by the teachers' union, I give him a hard pass.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 07, 2021 01:27 PM (YqDXo)

441 Virginia has had weird booze laws as long as I remember. You had to BYOB, in a locked case and the club could sell you "set ups" (ice and mixers).
They still have state controlled liquor stores.

Posted by: bartholomew at July 07, 2021 01:27 PM (aAP3z)

442 274 And our side said , nope no fraud, or hardly any. They stole the election by shutting down the count . I don't remember any precedent for this, but Mitch, Barr, and Kevin said "everything is fine". I don't trust them enough to vote for them and their ilk, and I think only trusted donk allies will get in. They showed no shock, and offered no explanation for why we need reform. If there was no or negligible fraud, don't fix what ain't broke.
Posted by: CN at July 07, 2021 01:05 PM (ONvIw)

Here's what pegs my outrage meter for last year's election: They were planning to cheat. The Trump Campaign and state GOP officials knew they were going to cheat. They knew we knew they were going to cheat. And they still cheated and got away with it. Any fix for future elections needs to be based on first, recognizing and accurately defining the 2020 problems and where they occurred, and second, developing and implementing a plan of action that ASAP fixes the 2020 problems. I see no evidence of any such effort by the GOP. This is a true tragedy.

Posted by: Gref at July 07, 2021 01:28 PM (AMIL/)

443 and I live in far western MA
Speaking of which since I'm in NH for the summer - are we getting a New England MoMe?

Posted by: 18-1 at July 07, 2021 01:28 PM (DpkTQ)

444 Dave is in the bargaining stage of grief. I believe that is to be followed by depression. Hahaha.

Posted by: MAGA (stop the steal link in this nic) at July 07, 2021 01:28 PM (eMEkg)

445 @437

Notice the Penn counties include 1 dem and 2 republicans.

They are following the strategy of showing systematic fraud, even in red counties.

Posted by: artemis at July 07, 2021 01:28 PM (AwPyG)

446 Good thing we're not drinking in a bar, the bail kitty would get emptied.

Posted by: dartist at July 07, 2021 01:28 PM (+ya+t)

447 Nood Trump lawsuit against big tech

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy (z5Vrg) - The Republic is Already Dead at July 07, 2021 01:28 PM (z5Vrg)

448 I once saw a license plate that said RT OF RUSH
Posted by: artemis at July 07, 2021 01:25 PM (AwPyG)

couldn't get Genghis on the plate , so I settled for Rush

Posted by: REDACTED at July 07, 2021 01:28 PM (8o8kf)

449 I don't think Dominion was the tool used to steal.

So it is an interesting meme, and a shortcut to say what you mean. But the theft was done differently.

I'll be writing some analysis in the next few days.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at July 07, 2021 01:25 PM (JlLqX)

"Analyze" ballot adjucation. You clearly have no idea how the massive fraud happened.

Adjucation is the digital version of hanging chads.

Posted by: GOP shill at July 07, 2021 01:28 PM (DnvAO)

450 Good post DiF.
This country wasn't built on that backs of quitters.
And that's all I'll say about that.

Posted by: Bosk at July 07, 2021 01:29 PM (FgPjD)

451 Interesting, that our Dave attracts so many trolls
Posted by: artemis at July 07, 2021 01:15 PM (AwPyG)

Yeah, that right there speaks volumes to me.

Hang in there, Dave.
Posted by: BifBewalski @ (VcFUs) - at July 07, 2021 01:18 PM (VcFUs)

Every election cycle I revise my bookmarks based on how useful the sites were. Although Dave isn't a specific blog he was more useful than the namby pamby shit in American Thinker.

Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at July 07, 2021 01:29 PM (g5I2H)

452 416 We're overlooking one major player: the Media.

The Media ginned up hatred for Trump to incandescent levels. They are they true enemy. The Democrats couldn't do anything without the Media shielding them.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at July 07, 2021 01:21 PM (OU+8W

Yup....and why? Trump was great for their business.
Why should they even care. I guess DC parties are great, but what should they care who the president is?

They get to cover whoever it is.
Posted by: Ben

The msm says what their Corporate Masters tell them to say. Nothing more, nothing less.

Posted by: Puddleglum at July 07, 2021 01:29 PM (QFVV9)

453 Unfortunately, I've never given to them so I can't stop doing something I'm not doing already. But we need to starve them until they put up candidates who will fight for our side.

Thinking outside the box, funding an ad campaign to get people to stop donating to them?

Posted by: Dave in Fla at July 07, 2021 01:29 PM (JlLqX)

454 The last people who told me I needed to vote regardless of who the candidate was because "D bad" turned their back on me when a candidate who actually stood for what I wanted came along.

Something to ponder.

Posted by: ... at July 07, 2021 01:29 PM (Sq5xa)

455 if everyone votes local only, then it's obvious what's really going on when the votes in a state don't match the votes for federal office. if a gov race in a state gets 4 mil votes, but the senator only gets 2 mil, you think that sends a message?
Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at July 07, 2021 01:20 PM (8D42x)

Nope, I don't. We're political junkies, but most people are not, and have no idea of the relative voter turnouts for the various offices.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 07, 2021 01:23 PM (YqDXo)

I guess i should have been more explicit. do you think it sends a message to the senator, or the party, not necessarily the citizenry that "we are not amused"...

Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at July 07, 2021 01:29 PM (8D42x)

456 Some of you may not know that in the early 70's, it was illegal in Virginia
That sort of stuff is dumb. But I would trade 2021 with its tranny-tyranny for that in a heartbeat.

Posted by: 18-1 at July 07, 2021 01:29 PM (DpkTQ)

457 'Is this a joke?' Mother Jones would like people to stop blaming rising big city crime on Dem efforts to defund the police

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Yeah! Defunding the police and encouraging thugs has nothing to do with crime.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at July 07, 2021 01:30 PM (d9FiS)

458 @440

When my kids were in primary school, the local paper realized that everyone was voting against any candidate who was supported by the teacher's union.

So they stopped publishing that information

Posted by: artemis at July 07, 2021 01:30 PM (AwPyG)

459 Yep, dismiss longtime commenters who disagree with you as trolls. Also, keep voting real hard, because dem libruls might win instead of the True American Crying Eagle Patriots.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at July 07, 2021 01:30 PM (DXFDM)

460 I will vote with all of my heart for now. If a better course of action becomes apparent, then I will reconsider.

Posted by: Emmie (Hrwnm) at July 07, 2021 01:30 PM (Hrwnm)

461 If you are in a reliably red state or purple state that has reasonable and enforced voting laws, I say vote every time, go for it. But I have determined voting in my state is the same as playing 3 card monte. And I don't play 3 card monte.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk
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Then vote with your feet and move to somewhere where your vote will count. Stop giving your tax dollars to the blue state corruptocrats and make a red state that much redder.

Posted by: Guzalot at July 07, 2021 01:30 PM (prSvo)

462 423 I'm to the right of Genghis Khan

and I live in far western MA

but I still vote, every fucking time
Posted by: REDACTED at July 07, 2021 01:24 PM (8o8kf)
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Preach it, brother. I do the same here in the People's Democrat Republic of California.

And for my money, Genghis meant well, but he was a bit of a pansy IMO.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 07, 2021 01:30 PM (YqDXo)

463 Eh, what it comes down to are those that believe voting still matters vs those that don't. Some places it does and some places it doesn't. So we are unlikely to convince each other on the subject, but I appreciate the post Dave, a fair cogent argument.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 07, 2021 01:31 PM (r+sAi)

464 Get involved. Start researching the primary candidates and support one you like. Run for local office. I ran for my local school board and got walloped but at least it's better than throwing up my hands and quitting. Win later by losing now is a stupid strategy.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at July 07, 2021 01:23 PM (kTF2Z)
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There are people that have woken up due to CRT, Covid restrictions and election fraud. I have seen many people being interviewed saying they are truly frightened and are getting involved.

Posted by: redridinghood at July 07, 2021 01:31 PM (NpAcC)

465 @457

some recent poll showed that defunding the police has like 80% disapproval, which is why the dems are hilariously trying to say it is a republican idea.

Posted by: artemis at July 07, 2021 01:31 PM (AwPyG)

466 Disagreement is commie, didn't you get the memo?

Posted by: SMH at July 07, 2021 01:25 PM (PZBsS)

And agreement is Courageous.

Posted by: ... at July 07, 2021 01:31 PM (Sq5xa)

467 461 If you are in a reliably red state or purple state that has reasonable and enforced voting laws, I say vote every time, go for it. But I have determined voting in my state is the same as playing 3 card monte. And I don't play 3 card monte.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk
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Then vote with your feet and move to somewhere where your vote will count. Stop giving your tax dollars to the blue state corruptocrats and make a red state that much redder.
Posted by: Guzalot at July 07, 2021 01:30 PM (prSvo)

This is good advice. We as much as possible must deny resources to our would-be oppressors.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy (z5Vrg) - The Republic is Already Dead at July 07, 2021 01:31 PM (z5Vrg)

468 Thinking outside the box, funding an ad campaign to get people to stop donating to them?
Posted by: Dave in Fla at July 07, 2021 01:29 PM (JlLqX)

Interesting idea. I'd donate to that ad campaign. It's kind of what Bitter Clinger was talking about with their dad that ran a local paper. I like it.

Posted by: 496 at July 07, 2021 01:32 PM (U1eOr)

469 443 and I live in far western MA
Speaking of which since I'm in NH for the summer - are we getting a New England MoMe?
Posted by: 18-1 at July 07, 2021 01:28 PM (DpkTQ)

just happen to have a phone booth

Posted by: REDACTED at July 07, 2021 01:32 PM (8o8kf)

470 But at least voting will make some conservatives feel better, so there's that.

Posted by: sf at July 07, 2021 01:18 PM (fmJQu)
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Hey, if you think the cause is already lost, I think you'd better hope it's not.

Sun Tzu said the battle is over before it's begun. One way is for one side to simply give up. And the victor's side to make them think it's hopeless.

So, if you want to provide hopelessness, a zero-win scenario for the benefit of Conservatism, go ahead. Action and reaction show us which scenario we're living in, not getting all gloomy and despondent when we see cases for defeat.

I'm convinced that the probability that I may see a distinct dystopian outcome of all this is "healthy". I see the same forces aligned against traditional Americans as you do. The extent to which they prevail is NOT settled yet.

I try to live with the realization of a range of outcomes.

Posted by: Axeman at July 07, 2021 01:32 PM (XHhHI)

471 What did the PA gope or AZ gope do to stop the vote? What did ANY gope member do?
Posted by: rickb223 at July 07, 2021 01:24 PM (2w7OO)

None of these GOPe thought that anyone would be upset by the steal, nor did they anticipate that it would be a permanent thing. They responded with audits when they felt it might hurt them and when they were deemed liars. If they are returned to office with no results, no prosecutions, they will declare victory and keep up the manipulations.
Kevin McCarthy has chosen an amnesty advocate to focus on "securing our borders". What kind of bullshit is that? How does he deserve re-election? They had from 2017-19 to fix the border, and investigated and shafted Trump instead. My hatred for them is bigger than the 2020 election.

Posted by: CN at July 07, 2021 01:32 PM (ONvIw)

472 some recent poll showed that defunding the police has like 80%
disapproval, which is why the dems are hilariously trying to say it is a
republican idea.
Were I an R candidate I would have run the audio of the woman calling the cops in Seattle for help in CHAZ and them telling her to just do whatever the guy threatening her wanted since they weren't allowed to go there over and over and over in my ads.

Posted by: 18-1 at July 07, 2021 01:32 PM (DpkTQ)

473 @437

Only 7 months too late but at least it's something instead of watching re-runs of The Aristocrats.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 07, 2021 01:32 PM (qmgN2)

474 Well I almost always vote. But increasingly I will leave some aside. Since I'm new to NC last year, I don't yet know who the bastards are. (But I already regret my vote for Tillis.)

I have to say this: The above post is a bit cocksure from someone who was so arrogantly wrong about the steal, toward those of us who saw it coming. I don't put too much trust in such people's judgment.

Posted by: Eeyore at July 07, 2021 01:33 PM (7X3UV)

475
"Analyze" ballot adjucation. You clearly have no idea how the massive fraud happened
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Actually, I have a pretty good idea how, and yes this is part of the mechanism.

It wasn't in the counting of ballots, it was in the source of ballots

Posted by: Dave in Fla at July 07, 2021 01:33 PM (JlLqX)

476 Nood

Posted by: CN at July 07, 2021 01:33 PM (ONvIw)

477 When my kids were in primary school, the local paper realized that everyone was voting against any candidate who was supported by the teacher's union.

So they stopped publishing that information
Posted by: artemis at July 07, 2021 01:30 PM (AwPyG)

Excellent. So they fear that strategy. That makes it a little harder to dig out the truth. Here in CA the voters' pamphlet always includes that information. (I don't bother with the local birdcage liner.)

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 07, 2021 01:33 PM (YqDXo)

478 To show what kinda guy Genghis was, he sent an envoy to a city to seek terms.

They killed his envoy.

So Genghis and his soldiers rode 700 miles to slaughter every single person in the city.

Posted by: artemis at July 07, 2021 01:33 PM (AwPyG)

479 are we getting a New England MoMe?
Posted by: 18-1 at July 07, 2021 01:28 PM (DpkTQ)

I'd be in.

Posted by: 496 at July 07, 2021 01:33 PM (U1eOr)

480 318 Probably already been pointed out, but Vernon is running as a republican in the primary against Kemp.
As a point to consider just how far we've fallen - I don't think Vernon has changed many of his own views...in recent years...which puts him to the right of a lot of the GOPe.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 07, 2021 01:11 PM (DpkTQ)
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He has said that he didn't leave the party, the party left him (Reagan quote). I'm not convinced I will vote for him, but he has chosen a side, and THIS IS the time to choose sides.

Posted by: BunkerintheBurbs (qIQLc) at July 07, 2021 01:34 PM (qIQLc)

481 For me, it's more important to have my family survive than cast a vote. Part of survival includes having as low a profile as possible, which means not being registered to vote. It's not about voting per se, but avoiding economic persecution/arrest for being conservative entails being publicly non-political.

Posted by: Editor at July 07, 2021 01:34 PM (S9fPk)

482 Kevin McCarthy has chosen an amnesty advocate to focus on "securing our borders". What kind of bullshit is that? How does he deserve re-election? They had from 2017-19 to fix the border, and investigated and shafted Trump instead. My hatred for them is bigger than the 2020 election.
Posted by: CN

They had both houses to kill ObolaCare. Did they?

Posted by: rickb223 at July 07, 2021 01:34 PM (2w7OO)

483 The Democrats want us to stay home and not vote.
This would make them happy and I'm not into satisfying them and making them happy.

Posted by: redridinghood at July 07, 2021 01:35 PM (NpAcC)

484 Then vote with your feet and move to somewhere where your vote will
count. Stop giving your tax dollars to the blue state corruptocrats and
make a red state that much redder.
Hmmm... shouldn't you want to know someones situation before giving advice like that. Did you pay fed taxes this year, under Biden? Maybe you should move to another country.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 07, 2021 01:35 PM (r+sAi)

485 459 Yep, dismiss longtime commenters who disagree with you as trolls. Also, keep voting real hard, because dem libruls might win instead of the True American Crying Eagle Patriots.
Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at July 07, 2021 01:30 PM (DXFDM)

IMO McCarthy is a donk in a sleazy disguise. A lib pretending to have conservative values.

Posted by: CN at July 07, 2021 01:35 PM (ONvIw)

486 They had both houses to kill ObolaCare. Did they?
Posted by: rickb223 at July 07, 2021 01:34 PM (2w7OO)

All they do is lie.

Posted by: CN at July 07, 2021 01:35 PM (ONvIw)

487 437 @EmeraldRobinson 11 min

The state of Pennsylvania is starting a forensic audit of the 2020 election by requesting information from several key counties.
Posted by: Tami at July 07, 2021 01:26 PM (cF8AT)
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Fancy that.
Those Arizonans causing ripples of pressure all over the nation.

Posted by: Braenyard, (Zd0xi) at July 07, 2021 01:35 PM (Zd0xi)

488 >I resent the hell out of being labeled a troll because I disagree with Dave. Yes, this place is becoming more like Breitbart every day.
Posted by: creeper at July 07, 2021 01:22 PM (XxJt1)

It's the kind of stupid rah-rah, thought terminating cliche you see on the left. It makes you want to really become the gray man. Nobody's going to have our backs, because a few of us refuse to indulge in the fairy tales of legitimacy that is our crumbling before our eyes.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at July 07, 2021 01:36 PM (DXFDM)

489 "Russia eventually came out the other side of the USSR."
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy (z5Vrg)

I see this idea pop up from time to time with slight variations. Russia is the USSR without the official Marxist doctrine. Russia emerged from the USSR and became a slightly smaller clone of what China has morphed into since 1980 or so. Russia is now Saruman to China's Sauron at this point. I'm just not sure Vlad Putin understands that fact.

Both Russia and China are authoritarian states ruled by an elite oligarchy that mostly used to be nominally "Marxist." Now, they are just brutal dictators with an iron grip on their respective economies. They resemble National Socialist states more than anything else. Russia's change is basically a different dress makeup on the same old pig.

Posted by: WarEagle82 at July 07, 2021 01:37 PM (+Kpte)

490 475
"Analyze" ballot adjucation. You clearly have no idea how the massive fraud happened
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Actually, I have a pretty good idea how, and yes this is part of the mechanism.

It wasn't in the counting of ballots, it was in the source of ballots

Posted by: Dave in Fla at July 07, 2021 01:33 PM (JlLqX)

Source of the ballots along with some "Oops, we can't find the required chain-of-custody records. Well to be sure no single person is incorrectly dis-enfranchised, we MUST call all these questionable ballots valid."

Posted by: Gref at July 07, 2021 01:37 PM (AMIL/)

491 I never thought I'd see a piece on the Ace HQ advocating for Russiagate conspirator Marco Rubio.

What's next? Vote for Pierre Delecto again?

Such is the pathetic status of the "conservative" movement.

Get this in your head. The GOP and Dems are traitors.

The only way out is the Second Amendment, but people like Ace are scared of that.

Posted by: No GOP shill at July 07, 2021 01:38 PM (0DJvX)

492 Eeyore - a few people have said this. If this is your opinion, then you did not read all the things I wrote before the election, and what I wrote afterwards.

But not going to try to disuade you. I always put out numbers and allow you to draw your own conclusions. If you feel I approach it wrong, then we will just have to disagree.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at July 07, 2021 01:39 PM (JlLqX)

493 Is this a joke?' Mother Jones would like people to stop blaming rising big city crime on Dem efforts to defund the police
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They prefer to live in a world where words are the barriers, and you just make them mean different things, and the blame "goes away"--after all it's really the Republicans "defunding" the police by not passing the Everything-is-Infrastructure bill that includes the possibility of discretionary spending toward what they spent all of last year advocating being reduced in the portion of discretionary spending.

By defining everything as infrastructure, it means that cops are, by discretion, infrastructure. It makes it easy. If you are against a particular spending bill on infrastructure then you really are "against everything" that it could possibly be spent on.

A serious liberal would very likely understand the charge whether or not they believed that it was convincing. I mean it's pretty easy to see the interoperation.

Posted by: Axeman at July 07, 2021 01:40 PM (XHhHI)

494 We may have differing views on tactics etc., but we all share the same view of what we want.

It's OK for people to disagree on tactics, but let's not go in for internecine squabbling. We've got bigger fish to fry.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 07, 2021 01:40 PM (YqDXo)

495 Source of the ballots along with some "Oops, we can't find the required chain-of-custody records. Well to be sure no single person is incorrectly dis-enfranchised, we MUST call all these questionable ballots valid."
Posted by: Gref at July 07, 2021 01:37 PM (AMIL/)

Sounds good to us

Posted by: Amy and Kav at July 07, 2021 01:40 PM (ONvIw)

496 Liberalism is self-flattery. Blame is not flattering. It's the opposite.

They will not wear blame. Hence, you are mean for blaming them.

They have "solutions", they have bullet points. Sounding like you have "solutions" makes you sound smart. They'll have some of that.

Posted by: Axeman at July 07, 2021 01:42 PM (XHhHI)

497 Im not sure who may have said this up thread, but I will Never again vote for John Cornyn just to have a Republican senator. Never.

Posted by: AnnaS at July 07, 2021 01:42 PM (l4l/z)

498 We're finding out even California is NOT 'hopelessly blue'.

They're rigging the vote.

You should have seen the Trump freeway caravans in Sacramento. YUGE

I saw a handful of Biteme signs.They're fixing elections.

Posted by: torabora at July 07, 2021 01:43 PM (Y274z)

499 Plan B is easy. Make communities. Meet with real people and support each other. If you move to that red state or want to turn a purple state redder, encourage like minded people to move there too.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at July 07, 2021 01:44 PM (5HBd1)

500 497 Im not sure who may have said this up thread, but I will Never again vote for John Cornyn just to have a Republican senator. Never.
Posted by: AnnaS at July 07, 2021 01:42 PM (l4l/z)
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Voting in a Dem is worse thank keeping one's individual pos. Pubbies gain the majority they control committees, and legislation.

Trump is actively campaigning against McConnell & Co.
That's a more important picture than one pos.

Posted by: Braenyard, (Zd0xi) at July 07, 2021 01:46 PM (Zd0xi)

501 "But I have come to the realization that we must continue to vote."

Nope.

If you're sitting at a blackjack table and you know the outcome is already fixed in favor of the House winning every time, would you continue playing?

No.
I unregistered to vote in January because my vote mattered little before in a deep blue state and it doesn't matter at all now.

Posted by: Bea Arthur's Dick at July 07, 2021 01:47 PM (jWe5r)

502 499 Plan B is easy. Make communities. Meet with real people and support each other. ...

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at July 07, 2021 01:44 PM (5HBd1)
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Even if one lives in a blue community there will be a Republican. If one adds his support that's one more influence to nudge and embolden conservative or anti-communist acts.

Posted by: Braenyard, (Zd0xi) at July 07, 2021 01:49 PM (Zd0xi)

503 Ballots are stored usually by law for 22 months
Watch for swapping of stored ballot boxes, fires, flood, theft, rats and mice, paper eating insects, disappearing ink.

Posted by: torabora at July 07, 2021 01:49 PM (Y274z)

504 #502 there are precients with ZERO R votes.
I seem to remember in Philadelphia for example.

Posted by: torabora at July 07, 2021 01:50 PM (Y274z)

505 "If you're sitting at a blackjack table and you know the outcome is already fixed in favor of the House winning every time, would you continue playing?"

Outstanding point.

Posted by: Jim at July 07, 2021 01:59 PM (y6nYc)

506 Vote like hell or get flattened.

Posted by: sven at July 07, 2021 01:11 PM (Lzpvj)

Vote like hell and get flattened slowly.
Posted by: flounder at July 07, 2021 01:21 PM (KnJdm)

Two more voting cycles to flatten the curve!

Posted by: DaisyB at July 07, 2021 02:01 PM (Hswbs)

507 You evidently want someone to knife you, but you should make them do it in the front, not the back. If you're voting for Rubio you're voting for the b@st@rds that got us into this mess. It's like listening to Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh. Sure, they came around, but only after their listeners told them to eat shi!t. They were never doctrinaire, just cashing the checks of their masters and waiting to slip in the shiv, like the SOBs on the SCOTUS with their rotating betrayals.

F that. To paraphrase Ann Coulter, it's way past time to watch, listen to, and vote for PROVEN, not "probably" or "mostly" conservatives. Stop giving the rest of them your vote. If Rubio is your GOP option, your ONLY GOP option, vote for a Constitution or Libertarian party candidate, or write in someone. But don't support their continued treachery with your written assent.

Posted by: Hieronymous Busch at July 07, 2021 02:03 PM (XjV2Y)

508 474 Well I almost always vote. But increasingly I will leave some aside. Since I'm new to NC last year, I don't yet know who the bastards are. (But I already regret my vote for Tillis.)

I have to say this: The above post is a bit cocksure from someone who was so arrogantly wrong about the steal, toward those of us who saw it coming. I don't put too much trust in such people's judgment.
Posted by: Eeyore at July 07, 2021 01:33 PM (7X3UV)

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I read everything Dave posted in the run up to the election and he was adamant that the Presidential election could not be stolen.

Posted by: MAGA (stop the steal link in this nic) at July 07, 2021 02:15 PM (eMEkg)

509 Help the commies balance the budget and strengthen the military!

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy (z5Vrg) - The Republic is Already Dead at July 07, 2021 01:24 PM (z5Vrg)

LOL

Posted by: ... at July 07, 2021 02:22 PM (Sq5xa)

510 I want to make sure it is known that if you do think voting is worthwhile, please go ahead and do that. I have no animosity for people who still believe in the process, I used to believe in it for years. I actually hope conservatives figure out a way to succeed. I'd love to be wrong. But after at least 30 years of Failure Theater, I know how this movie ends. I'm personally done.

Old, rehashed arguments I have heard since I was a kid, like "If you don't vote you're complicit in the steal" or "the worst GOP offering is still better than the best Dem" or "not voting is contra-intellectual" don't have the gravitas they used to, if they ever had any. There's no level of shame that can be heaped on me that will ever make me feel bad about this decision, though many will try and fail. I am at peace with it, best I've felt in years.

I took the red pill. The real one. The one that illuminated the scam of the entire US political structure, swamp, whatever you want to call it. Trump (warts and all) was the last, dying gasp of attempting to extricate ourselves from this shitshow. It was admittedly a long shot. 200+ years is a good run in anyone's book.

Posted by: Jim at July 07, 2021 02:28 PM (y6nYc)

511 Last year I donated to Trump. I can't believe all of the ass kissers in the GOP pacs messaging me for donation money this year. I only donate to real candidates, and that leaves out almost all Dems and a good many GOP pretenders.

Posted by: FatAlbert at July 07, 2021 02:42 PM (c/0cj)

512 I can't imagine not voting, but I refuse to vote for Miss Lindsey, and I've communicated that to him.

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess, #SuperStraight #maskless (Mzdiz) at July 07, 2021 02:45 PM (Mzdiz)

513 the other way to vote is to run for office yourself, in your town, on your school board, on your city counsel, as your mayor, or your state rep.

there are many of us that are overly qualified to hold high office. Considering that the numbskulls you see in congress right now have really lowered the bar for the rubes like us. Run.

Moving to a new place is the single best way to make your vote matter. Not only do you get to participate in actual civics, you also stop paying taxes to your previously corrupt home city, county or state. Denying them your revenue is the best thing you can do, while they continue to burn their cities to the ground.

Posted by: joe kidtoucher at July 07, 2021 04:11 PM (HVMmF)

514 I read everything Dave posted in the run up to the election and he was adamant that the Presidential election could not be stolen.

Posted by: MAGA (stop the steal link in this nic) at July 07, 2021 02:15 PM

Yep. I specifically remember all his daily comments and updates listing all the things he was optimistic about and all the things he was worried about. The day before the election, he wiped out everything on his "things I am worried about" list and simply stated "Things I am worried about: nothing". He was 100% sure there was absolutely nothing to worry about, Trump was a shoo-in.

And I remember everyone praising him and ridiculing anyone who said fraud was still a major concern. And based on that utter failure, he now gets to be a co-blogger! Brilliant.

What's next, JackStraw is given blog space to tell us all how we're wrong about the Deep State and we'll soon see people on the Left go to prison.

Fool me once...

Posted by: Tall Cool Gentleman in a Black Suit at July 07, 2021 04:33 PM (Do5/p)

515 For those saying they'll never vote again... yeah, I felt that way too, I felt defeated, I felt they won and would win again and again and again and again. That there was nothing, not one simple thing I could do. Then I remembered the men who walked into the face of evil, not just some ignorant, puts his pants on the same way I do, politician. EVIL, sitting in a cement bunker with a machine gun ready to mow down every man that came ashore on D Day. They had a choice too, and it wasn't to simply put a mark in a box to pick someone to represent them. They chose to fight, on that day for most of them, to die. They knew right away what they were walking into. We only have buffoons to get rid of. There is no machine gun in our face. If you can't pull enough fight out of yourself to go up against panty waist rino's then what good are you? Fight like your life depends on it, fight like your children, your grandchildren, depend on it. GET INVOLVED. Find out who to support, I imagine the Donald will have some suggetions. But get these people out of office. Use something... oh yeah, like our VOTE

Posted by: Mrs Compton at July 07, 2021 06:44 PM (5p7BC)

516 I have similar feelings as you Dave, and got done pushback in January by those who essentially became the new "never Trumpers," where their number one choice didn't win so they were going to cry and start supporting ther other team.

My rational was a little different, in that control that gains us 20 to 30% of what we want is a lot better than no control where we have 100% of what we don't want forced upon us, and looking at these last 6 months I'm even more hardened in my opinion.

Each party is always going to have flakey people or those who are more in the camp of the other side, but with the preferred party in power you have a way tov actually move forward.

But i think many people prefer losing, so they have 2 to 4 years where they can cry, complain, and act like they're going to be revolutionaries, all while accomplishing nothing.

Posted by: Rbastid at July 07, 2021 06:57 PM (x4DJJ)

517 Nah. Done voting. It's for suckers and fools. I will help it burn. Hurry up and die boomers, because you're the last ones left f*cking stupid enough to think voting will fix sh*t.

Imbeciles.

Posted by: HempRopeAndStreetlight at July 07, 2021 09:11 PM (EbnFV)

518 Vote harderrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr derp.

They've institutionalized cheating.

Anyone they allow to win won because they wanted them to win. "Your guys" will just be traitors who stab you in the back.

Posted by: HempRopeAndStreetlight at July 07, 2021 09:12 PM (EbnFV)

519 " If you refuse to fight politically, then what is YOUR plan of action?"

To oppose them non-politically.

Note I said "oppose", because if I say "fight" someone will immediately declare that I'm going to shoot somebody. There is a spectrum of activity from completely-legal and barely-noticeable to completely-illegal-and-murderous.

The people insisting that "Conservatives have two settings, off and shoot fucking everybody" are deliberately creating a choice that prevents people from moving away from "off", because you will only have marginal numbers moving from one setting to the other in response to any given incident, and marginal numbers at a time is precisely what the current state authority is set up to handle. People advocating the two-settings model are tools of the enemy.

There are plenty of things that can be done to oppose and vitiate the system without charging machine guns alone. This is an unrestricted war. Fight it as such.

Posted by: rold at July 08, 2021 07:45 AM (01vyp)

520 "The greatest service that Trump did for us, is he showed us who our enemies are. For over 20 years, we have believed that the mainstream GOP in Washington has been on our side and would fight leftism if given the political power to do so. In 2016, we delivered that power to them, and they did nothing with it."

Exactly. Everything should be crystal clear for everyone. I would like to add that I think the greatest snake in congress is Mitch McConnell, and aside from the NSA, he is the greatest reason Conservative Inc. plods along getting rich along the way. He also is married to Chinese business which is a key reason why Conservative Inc. toes the line on trade.

Posted by: Danimal28 at July 08, 2021 08:51 AM (RYzWb)

521 I understand all your assertions in this piece. However, you didn't mention one important one: What do we do if our vote isn't counted, nor is ever going to be? What's the point in voting to change the system, keep the system or whatever is the cause of the day, if it's not going to matter and the outcome preordained? I give you 80 million votes for Biden as exhibit A.

Sorry, but count me out. In fact, all of my future votes already have been.

Posted by: Jerzy A Sobon at July 08, 2021 02:03 PM (1ikvu)

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