Supreme Court Upholds Arizona Law to Insure the Integrity of the Vote and Outlaw "Ballot Harvesting"

Some good news. Wow, Trump's "conservative" justices actually voted conservatively for once.

Thank God for small favors.

"Ballot harvesting" is a I-can't-believe-this-was-ever-legal practice of paying hard partisans to "harvest" the ballots of third parties, supposedly to "help" them vote.

Most people strongly suspect that the "ballot harvesters" are simply collecting the ballots of dead people and out-of-state people and simply casting votes themselves.

Numerous races have gone from Republican leads to Democrat "victories" when the Democrat-paid "ballot harvesters" suddenly turn in thousands of ballots in the closing moments of vote counting.

The Arizona law also requires votes cast by voters who vote in the wrong precinct to not be counted.

This is, again, an area rife with fraud. The only chance a criminal impersonator has to be caught casting a false vote in someone else's name is to be recognized at the precinct by the poll worker -- or recognized not to be the voter in question.

Permitting fraudsters to cast votes in other precincts where the person they're supposed to be is not known to anyone seems intentionally designed to permit Democrat fraud.

The 6-3 decision was written by Justice Samuel Alito. Justices John Roberts, Clarence Thomas, Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh, and Amy Coney Barrett joined in the majority with Justices Kagan, Sotomayor, and Breyer in the dissent, which was written by Kagan.
What it boils down to is the Court upheld the state's ability to prohibit third-party collection of mail-in ballots, otherwise known as "ballot harvesting" and said that the state can also disallow votes cast in the wrong precinct.
That’s a huge blow against the Democrats because of how they have utilized ballot harvesting. Many believe that they are able to use it, perhaps questionably, to change the nature of elections. Republicans have been fighting against it for some time to make elections more secure.
Democrats had tried to argue that the restrictions disallowing votes in the wrong precinct were somehow racially discriminatory. The court rejected that argument and it's a good thing. The very argument is itself racist -- to suggest that somehow people of color don't know what precinct to vote in.

Responding to the Democrats' (and the 9th circuit's) claims that these "restrictions" disproportionately hurt minorities, the Court found that everyone had an equal opportunity to vote either in person or by early voting, and, in any event, the state's strong interest in insuring that only legal votes be cast and counted would trump the very minor "disparate impact" the laws may (or may not) have on minorities.

The Court notes as a starting matter that Arizona "makes it quite easy to vote."

That is true. And it seems to me that if your state "makes it quite easy to vote" and yet you insist on creating ways for people to vote without identifying themselves, you're only trying to make it "quite easy" to cast fraudulent ballots.

The full decision is here.

Posted by: Ace at 02:20 PM

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Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at July 01, 2021 01:19 PM (eZG8R)

2 1 first
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at July 01, 2021 01:19 PM (eZG8R)

I demand a recount.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at July 01, 2021 01:20 PM (T7iTv)

3 Ensure

Posted by: ... at July 01, 2021 01:20 PM (xP1n4)

4 Is stealing an election considered a disparate impact?

Posted by: ... at July 01, 2021 01:22 PM (xP1n4)

5 "What, like with a scythe?"

Posted by: Hillary, re: ballot harvesting at July 01, 2021 01:22 PM (U1eOr)

6 The GOP likes to lose

Posted by: CN at July 01, 2021 01:22 PM (ONvIw)

7 Interesting that SCOTUS says the Democrats presented no evidence these voting rules "hurt" minorities.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at July 01, 2021 01:22 PM (sxASL)

8
I have tinnitus. The ad on the front page suggesting I should pump a bottle of hand-sanitizer into my ear canal to stop it seems questionable.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 01, 2021 01:22 PM (pfqSb)

9 I think the Georgia new voting law also makes it easier to vote, but harder to cheat. (despite what the terrorist/AG claims in the fed suit against Georgia)

Posted by: illiniwek at July 01, 2021 01:22 PM (Cus5s)

10 shocked they went the correct way on this.

i had such low expectations after the last few months...

Posted by: SturmToddler at July 01, 2021 01:23 PM (8D42x)

11 4 No that helps our donors

Posted by: Da GOP at July 01, 2021 01:23 PM (ONvIw)

12 I have tinnitus. The ad on the front page suggesting I should pump a bottle of hand-sanitizer into my ear canal to stop it seems questionable.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 01, 2021 01:22 PM (pfqSb)

Go for it. Your ear will be squeaky clean.

Posted by: 496 at July 01, 2021 01:23 PM (U1eOr)

13 Disparate impact, public unions, and nationwide injunctions all need to go away, pronto.

Posted by: Blacksheep at July 01, 2021 01:24 PM (8/DeP)

14 The big thing here (aside from the result) is the Court's utter rejection of disparate-impact style analysis with respect to Sec. 2 of the VRA. The Dem's attempt to shoehorn employment discrimination law and attach it to Sec. 2 was extremely pernicious -- SCOTUS express rejection of such an approach will help in future cases around the country, and may actually scuttle the DOJ's effort to bring Sec. 2 VRA claims against the new Georgia law.

Posted by: Revenant at July 01, 2021 01:24 PM (UelxP)

15 Democrats had tried to argue that the restrictions disallowing votes in the wrong precinct were somehow racially discriminatory. The court rejected that argument and it's a good thing. The very argument is itself racist -- to suggest that somehow people of color don't know what precinct to vote in.

Quote from the DNC (probably): Minorities aren't smart enough to be able to get an ID. Of course they don't know what precinct they live in.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at July 01, 2021 01:24 PM (T7iTv)

16 They want people to vote by mail, so they won't need to know what precinct they need to go to. I wish we could get them to outlaw vote by mail and jungle primaries. I think you would find a lot of blue states aren't that blue.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at July 01, 2021 01:24 PM (5HBd1)

17 Even if it doesn't directly facilitate fraud, allowing voting in other precincts removes one of the ways in which the legislature can encourage local governments to clean up their voter rolls, and voter rolls which are hopelessly out of date create confusion and give judges an incentive to simply throw up their hands and say, "count it all!" so it enables other types of fraud as well as bureaucratic incompetence.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at July 01, 2021 01:24 PM (jOcSX)

18 9 Garland is scum

Posted by: CN at July 01, 2021 01:24 PM (ONvIw)

19 On the one hand it is good news, but did not go far enough.

On the other hand I think we should have cheated with them and forced there to be 1 billion votes in a nation of 330 million.

Posted by: sven at July 01, 2021 01:25 PM (Lzpvj)

20 shocked they went the correct way on this.

i had such low expectations after the last few months...
Posted by: SturmToddler at July 01, 2021 01:23 PM (8D42x)

I'm not too shocked. They were willing to throw Trump under the bus, but now they're trying to minimize the fallout from that decision.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at July 01, 2021 01:25 PM (jOcSX)

21 5 "What, like with a scythe?"
Posted by: Hillary, re: ballot harvesting at July 01, 2021 01:22 PM (U1eOr)

Ok, you made me laugh!

Posted by: Flyover at July 01, 2021 01:26 PM (Rbu5d)

22 6 Posted by: CN at July 01, 2021 01:22 PM (ONvIw)

so does the DNC on the global stage...

Posted by: sven at July 01, 2021 01:26 PM (Lzpvj)

23 Is there going to be a separate thread for the other decision today? That one is, IMHO, just as important. The left has been hell-bent on getting access to all donor lists so that they can whip up the mob against conservative donors.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at July 01, 2021 01:26 PM (jOcSX)

24 This should put paid to the government's case against Georgia.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 01, 2021 01:27 PM (yQpMk)

25 Did our much-esteemed supreme court say anything about shutting down the counting in A FEW KEY counties and then dumping in thousands of Biden votes for each Trump vote?

Posted by: 496 at July 01, 2021 01:27 PM (U1eOr)

26 We might bitch a lot about Roberts and the new Associate Justices, but this would have been 5-4 a few years ago, and 3-6 if Hillary had been elected.

Posted by: rd at July 01, 2021 01:27 PM (Z32m1)

27 20 I'm not too shocked. They were willing to throw Trump under the bus, but now they're trying to minimize the fallout from that decision.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at July 01, 2021 01:25 PM (jOcSX)

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The game is that Republicans have to have a shot at winning. If it becomes the case that Republicans literally cannot win ever, then the facade of representative governance crumbles to dust, and who knows what the hoi polloi will do then? Probably nothing terribly couth.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at July 01, 2021 01:27 PM (eZG8R)

28 20 Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at July 01, 2021 01:25 PM (jOcSX)

What will be interesting is whether or not SCotUS does the right thing on the partisan witchhunts donkey is pursuing with clearance holders.

That will be litigated most likely in 2023.

Posted by: sven at July 01, 2021 01:27 PM (Lzpvj)

29 16... I think you would find a lot of blue states aren't that blue.
Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at July 01, 2021 01:24 PM (5HBd1)

Yup.

Posted by: Flyover at July 01, 2021 01:27 PM (Rbu5d)

30 Speaking of governments going off the beam, anyone else get "selected" to fill out the Census Bureau's 2021 National Survey of College Graduates?

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at July 01, 2021 01:28 PM (ZSK0i)

31
I'm not too shocked. They were willing to throw Trump under the bus, but now they're trying to minimize the fallout from that decision.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at July 01, 2021 01:25 PM (jOcSX)

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Yup, the operative logic being "if we hand all the power in America over to these fraudster thugs in order to stop our common enemy, then they'll dial down the fraud out of gratitude."

It's the logic that guided the actions of the entire GOP.

And it's every bit as stupid as it sounds, because the GOP is every bit as stupid as they seem.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 01, 2021 01:28 PM (pfqSb)

32 Ballot harvesting is illegal in most states. HR1 would make it legal nationwide.

If partisans collecting ballots is "ballot harvesting" is registering ineligible/non-existent people "ballot sowing"?

Posted by: zmdavid at July 01, 2021 01:28 PM (xqRaG)

33 @7 - The Court distinguished between disparate treatment and disparate impact. Disparate treatment makes sense, and can be redressed based on equal protection law.

But you should have to show some actual harm, not merely that the numbers reflect some group (usually blacks, but not always) is falling behind and therefore only racism could be to blame.

Posted by: Blacksheep at July 01, 2021 01:28 PM (8/DeP)

34 This should put paid to the government's case against Georgia.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 01, 2021 01:27 PM (yQpMk)

As long as I gets paid. - Merrick "Judy" Garland

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at July 01, 2021 01:29 PM (T7iTv)

35 So this time around....what will happen when one set of poll watchers block access? Tombstone is good movie.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at July 01, 2021 01:29 PM (hSiEd)

36 The game is that Republicans have to have a shot at winning. If it becomes the case that Republicans literally cannot win ever, then the facade of representative governance crumbles to dust, and who knows what the hoi polloi will do then? Probably nothing terribly couth.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at July 01, 2021 01:27 PM (eZG8R)

The thing is, the GOP establishment need to be able to win some times because permanent majority means a lot of perks go bye-bye. They want the big chair, they just didn't want to have to give up their white-collar libertarianism to get it. That's what they hated about Trump: he managed to do what they had long claimed that they wanted to do, namely win hispanics and minorities and improve the US economy, but he did it in ways which they disapproved of.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at July 01, 2021 01:29 PM (jOcSX)

37 23 Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at July 01, 2021 01:26 PM (jOcSX)

Already happened, donor lists remain secret.

Frankly I have changed my mind on that issue and feel it would be good for network mapping purposes to know whom precisely is funding Zuckerf*c*ers' antics.

Posted by: sven at July 01, 2021 01:29 PM (Lzpvj)

38 Disparate Impact demands prosecution must be distributed across races on a per capita basis, NOT according to actual criminal actions of individuals.

Too many convictions of black murderers? Some must be let go, or some innocent whites must be convicted. "EQUITY"

Posted by: illiniwek at July 01, 2021 01:29 PM (Cus5s)

39 Better would be a decision banning 'harvesting' ballots. That's how CA Dems managed to steal several R House seats in Orange county in 2020.

Also, I want a pony.

Posted by: GnuBreed at July 01, 2021 01:29 PM (F0YaR)

40 Probably a dumb question, but how do you not count a vote cast by someone voting in the wrong precinct?

Posted by: Furious George at July 01, 2021 01:29 PM (9vQJW)

41 8 "If you pour hand sanitizer into a man's ear, he'll still have tinnitus.

But if you set it on fire, he'll forget about the tinnitus." -- sketchy folk saying

Posted by: callsign claymore at July 01, 2021 01:29 PM (+iCo6)

42 Said it earlier this morning, but this is important.

It means the DOJ case against Georgia is dead, the new Florida law, and the (soon to be) new Texas law, will stand.

Arizona will be enacting addition legislation soon, and PA just had a new law vetoed.

WI and MI are starting to make noises, and NH also passed a new law with minor changes.

The downside is that the new Nevada law will be hard to fight, but a legal challenge to the CA harvesting law is a possibility.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at July 01, 2021 01:29 PM (5p7BC)

43 It's amazing how often the democrat argument boils down to "minorities are too stupid to do this very simple task!"

Posted by: Buzzion at July 01, 2021 01:29 PM (2Pjvd)

44
The game is that Republicans have to have a shot at winning. If it becomes the case that Republicans literally cannot win ever, then the facade of representative governance crumbles to dust, and who knows what the hoi polloi will do then? Probably nothing terribly couth.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at July 01, 2021 01:27 PM (eZG8R)

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Which is why I urge people to withdraw support from the GOP, completely. No votes for Rs. Of course that falls on deaf ears, but it's the only way to make any change in this phony system. It's only step #1, but it has to be taken before the journey can begin.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 01, 2021 01:30 PM (pfqSb)

45 36 The thing is, the GOP establishment need to be able to win some times because permanent majority means a lot of perks go bye-bye. They want the big chair, they just didn't want to have to give up their white-collar libertarianism to get it. That's what they hated about Trump: he managed to do what they had long claimed that they wanted to do, namely win hispanics and minorities and improve the US economy, but he did it in ways which they disapproved of.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at July 01, 2021 01:29 PM (jOcSX)

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Well, now that Trump's not president, the party has been freed from his malicious influence forever! Just like magic!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at July 01, 2021 01:30 PM (eZG8R)

46 Thinking that black people are too stupid to get IDs or find where to vote is, what's the word I'm looking for, oh, yes, racist. Actually racist.

I'm still all eye twitchy about the confirmation that 24% of the Fulton County, GA ballots do not have chain of custody documents available. Chain of custody is like the lowest possible level of confirming that votes are valid and lalalalalala.

Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at July 01, 2021 01:30 PM (GbPPJ)

47 While a step in the right direction that never should have been necessary, the democrats will continue to thumb their noses at the idea of "fair" elections. My trust in them has been irrevocably broken.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 01, 2021 01:30 PM (3H9h1)

48 When does Biden tell Manchin and Sinema they can either vote to pack the Supreme Court or end-up like a dog-faced pony soldier captured by Apaches? Today?

Posted by: history will judge at July 01, 2021 01:31 PM (cXL49)

49 43 It's amazing how often the democrat argument boils down to "minorities are too stupid to do this very simple task!"
Posted by: Buzzion at July 01, 2021 01:29 PM (2Pjvd)

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"How often" = "all the fucking time."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at July 01, 2021 01:31 PM (eZG8R)

50 46 ballots do not have chain of custody documents available. Chain of custody is like the lowest possible level of confirming that votes are valid and lalalalalala.
Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at July 01, 2021 01:30 PM (GbPPJ)

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You sound like a conspiracy theorist.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at July 01, 2021 01:31 PM (eZG8R)

51 Stealing an election is capital crime. Some pitiful donk will eventually have a bad day. They already know who that will be.

Posted by: klaftern at July 01, 2021 01:31 PM (r4sI4)

52 Also, I want a pony.
Posted by: GnuBreed at July 01, 2021 01:29 PM (F0YaR)

What the hell does a gnu want with a pony? Sorry pal, the kink thread was yesterday.

Posted by: 496 at July 01, 2021 01:32 PM (U1eOr)

53 I fear Nevada is gone. The Las Vegas unions and criminals have taken over. Too many Californians have moved here and I am afraid they will make Nevada California East. Housing is expensive now and traffic is atrocious.

I will be leaving for Texas in the next few years.

Posted by: Czech Chick at July 01, 2021 01:32 PM (haWye)

54 48 When does Biden tell Manchin and Sinema they can either vote to pack the Supreme Court or end-up like a dog-faced pony soldier captured by Apaches? Today?
Posted by: history will judge at July 01, 2021 01:31 PM (cXL49)

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Packing the Supreme Court is failure theater. "Vote harder, and next time we'll have 15 progressives on SCOTUS!"

It'll never happen.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at July 01, 2021 01:32 PM (eZG8R)

55 The cross-precinct thing is weird to me. Precincts are hyper-local. Except for very odd conditions where you're *right* on the line, it's pretty damned hard to go to the wrong place. The wrong place will be further away. You'll have to do *more* work to cast your ballot in the wrong place! And it isn't like voting locations are a secret, or that your official election mail doesn't tell you where your polling place is. How was wrong-precinct voting even a thing that needed to be addressed?

Wrong-precinct voting must be a weird kind of con where they do it in order to stuff provisional ballots into the system that get magically sanitized and made real, first-class ballots.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 01, 2021 01:32 PM (Jsjd7)

56 You sound like a conspiracy theorist.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at July 01, 2021 01:31 PM (eZG8R)

*narrows eyes*

Only a Reptilian would say that.

Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at July 01, 2021 01:33 PM (GbPPJ)

57 You just know that Roberts waited until he knew there were five votes to uphold until he decided to join the majority. Coward. Also feckless. And dickless.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at July 01, 2021 01:33 PM (kTF2Z)

58 56 You sound like a conspiracy theorist.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at July 01, 2021 01:31 PM (eZG8R)

*narrows eyes*

Only a Reptilian would say that.
Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at July 01, 2021 01:33 PM (GbPPJ)

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I take offence at that aspersion. I am a troll, and I have never denied it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at July 01, 2021 01:33 PM (eZG8R)

59 53 Posted by: Czech Chick at July 01, 2021 01:32 PM (haWye)

Fallout New Vegas was prescient on Mexifornia colonizing Nevada via Vegas.

Posted by: sven at July 01, 2021 01:34 PM (Lzpvj)

60 "If partisans collecting ballots is "ballot harvesting" is registering ineligible/non-existent people "ballot sowing"?

Sow an ACORN, and harvest an Obama. (ACORN signed up thousands, many surely made up, but they then had a list of non-people that could vote (lost of videos of hundreds of ballots being dumped in boxes by poll workers ... they were registered nobodies on the books?)

Posted by: illiniwek at July 01, 2021 01:34 PM (Cus5s)

61 18 9 Garland is scum

Posted by: CN at July 01, 2021 01:24 PM (ONvIw)

Back in 2016, the media tried to gaslight us (again) on how "moderate" of a SC pick Garland was. But for once, McTurtle didn't buckle.

Posted by: GnuBreed at July 01, 2021 01:34 PM (F0YaR)

62 57 You just know that Roberts waited until he knew there were five votes to uphold until he decided to join the majority. Coward. Also feckless. And dickless.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at July 01, 2021 01:33 PM (kTF2Z)

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"Confirmed."
-Dr. Peter Venkman

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at July 01, 2021 01:34 PM (eZG8R)

63 I'm actually surprised that SCOTUS ruled this way knowing there's a chance Trump can come back in 2024.

Unless he sent word out that he's not running in '24

Posted by: JoeF. at July 01, 2021 01:34 PM (mR6Gs)

64 Stealing an election is not a capital crime, it's barely even a crime at all. People have been doing it with zero consequences for a long time.

Posted by: huey long at July 01, 2021 01:34 PM (aAP3z)

65 So who stops them when they do it anyway?

Posted by: Ordinary American at July 01, 2021 01:35 PM (KeeqF)

66 You just know that Roberts waited until he knew there were five votes to uphold until he decided to join the majority. Coward. Also feckless. And dickless.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at July 01, 2021 01:33 PM (kTF2Z)

Roberts DOES NOT want to be the deciding vote anymore.

Posted by: JoeF. at July 01, 2021 01:35 PM (mR6Gs)

67 Most people strongly suspect that the "ballot harvesters" are simply collecting the ballots of dead people and out-of-state people and simply casting votes themselves.

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More than suspect -- many have been caught red-handed (racist?) doing just this. Wasn't there a guy in Texas last year caught with tens of thousands or something?

Posted by: ShainS at July 01, 2021 01:35 PM (S2G4t)

68 The downside is that the new Nevada law will be hard to fight, but a legal challenge to the CA harvesting law is a possibility.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at July 01, 2021 01:29 PM (5p7BC)

I suspect any challenge to CA harvesting will get a long, agonizing trip through the lower courts before ever reaching the SC, but I'm no legal expert.

Posted by: Grudge Harbor at July 01, 2021 01:35 PM (uhPTO)

69 The Ninth Circuit went 1-15 this term. As some wag put it, now they have the first pick in the NFL draft.

Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at July 01, 2021 01:35 PM (GbPPJ)

70 Fallout New Vegas was prescient on Mexifornia colonizing Nevada via Vegas.
Posted by: sven at July 01, 2021 01:34 PM (Lzpvj)

Except the House Always Wins,

Posted by: Thrawn at July 01, 2021 01:36 PM (Rl7KJ)

71 I moved to Nevada to be a Navadean....not a Californian.

My comma machine is lost...so happy.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at July 01, 2021 01:36 PM (hSiEd)

72
Roberts DOES NOT want to be the deciding vote anymore.
Posted by: JoeF. at July 01, 2021 01:35 PM (mR6Gs)

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Then maybe he should resign.

Or make some toast in the bathtub. I like that toast idea better.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 01, 2021 01:36 PM (pfqSb)

73 My reply to Rusty was willowed:
Who was the idiot that decided disbanding the entire freaking Iraqi Army was a good idea?!?!?!?!? Posted by: rd at July 01, 2021 01:04 PM
Weren't they just a proxy army for Iran at that point, anyway? Posted by: Rusty Nail at July 01, 2021 01:07
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No, they were 2 Million men that suddenly had no jobs, were broke, and were willing to work for anybody with money, like a half dozen Islamic Shia or Sunni Maniacs and Sadddamites with money. Remember Saddam and his kids and most of his murderous criminal cronies were running loose in Iraq after we "Won."

We should have ordered them all back to their barracks, disarmed them, locked down their bases, and fed them 3 squares a day, paid them, and gave them unarmed close order drill for a few hours a day, followed by KP and cleaning the entire base. Take a few days or weeks, but identify the Saddamites, the Islamic fanatics, and the abusive stupid shitheads and remove them. After things settle a few weeks, offer them re-enlistment or release, and then start retraining and indoctrinating the Army in basic citizenship and soldiering. Put them to training, and may be cleaning up their towns and cities.

Posted by: rd at July 01, 2021 01:36 PM (Z32m1)

74 22 No they like taking dives for cash payouts

Posted by: CN at July 01, 2021 01:36 PM (ONvIw)

75 I take offence at that aspersion. I am a troll, and I have never denied it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at July 01, 2021 01:33 PM (eZG8R)

By definition, Trolls are Loathsome and Rubbery... said so right in the Monster Manual...

So... the question becomes... do they bounce?

And the answer... is... yes...

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 01, 2021 01:36 PM (oHd/0)

76 I'm shocked they did this

Posted by: Skip at July 01, 2021 01:36 PM (Cxk7w)

77 Another problem with mail-in voting (not that this was specifically addressed here, it just occurred to me) is around the handling of duplicates. If you get a duplicate (which would have been possible for me in the last election, since the DMV troll and the elections troll entered my address slightly differently and so I got two ballots), there are four ways to handle it:
You can reject all, you can accept all, you can accept the newest and reject the oldest, or you can accept the oldest and reject anything subsequent.

Most systems choose door #3 and accept the latest and reject any prior. This makes sense from a systems standpoint - if you foul up a ballot and need a new one, it should cancel out the old one. It's fairly safe. But it is also ripe for insider fraud. I can just run off duplicates, fill them out however I like, and send them through the system. Wham-bam, the legitimate vote got canceled by the illegitimate vote.

And remote voting makes that *way* easier.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 01, 2021 01:36 PM (Jsjd7)

78 70 Posted by: Thrawn at July 01, 2021 01:36 PM (Rl7KJ)

Eh I usually play duck hunt with the legion, betray House, and kick out the NCR....

Posted by: sven at July 01, 2021 01:37 PM (Lzpvj)

79 Which is why I urge people to withdraw support from the GOP, completely. No votes for Rs. Of course that falls on deaf ears, but it's the only way to make any change in this phony system. It's only step #1, but it has to be taken before the journey can begin.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice
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Falls on deaf ears because it is the wrong approach.

You should withhold from some R's but not all. If you withhold all votes, then you don't get these changes at the state level in the first place.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at July 01, 2021 01:37 PM (5p7BC)

80 So does Arizona have upstanding or outstanding??

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at July 01, 2021 01:37 PM (UHVv4)

81 If it becomes the case that Republicans literally cannot win ever, then the facade of representative governance crumbles to dust, and who knows what the hoi polloi will do then? Probably nothing terribly couth.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at July 01, 2021 01:27 PM (eZG8R)

You no longer have to worry about "if." The GOP looks like it understands why a Bush restoration is a non-starter, so the NR/ Salem types are going all out for DeSantis.

The problem is that this becomes a reason for me not to trust him, even though he's a pleasant dude. If DeSantis can't say "Trump was the best president since Coolidge and he was fucking robbed," then sorry bud- thanks for playing.

Posted by: trev006 at July 01, 2021 01:38 PM (xY7Uh)

82 Posted by: rd at July 01, 2021 01:36 PM (Z32m1)

Better, kept them, paid them, and morphed them into something like the Civilian Conservation Corp from the 30's.

Use them as labor on Public Projects.

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 01, 2021 01:38 PM (oHd/0)

83 What the hell does a gnu want with a pony? Sorry pal, the kink thread was yesterday.

Posted by: 496 at July 01, 2021 01:32 PM (U1eOr)

Dammit, Cletus, 496 has outed me.

Posted by: GnuBreed at July 01, 2021 01:38 PM (F0YaR)

84 Make some toast in a bathtub?

Oooh! YD, Can I steal that?

Posted by: rd at July 01, 2021 01:38 PM (Z32m1)

85 71 I moved to Nevada to be a Navadean....not a Californian.

My comma machine is lost...so happy.
Posted by: Humphreyrobot at July 01, 2021 01:36 PM (hSiEd)

Where is Nevada? Are you talking about East California?

Posted by: Eddie Baby at July 01, 2021 01:39 PM (wpJDK)

86 79 Posted by: Dave in Fla at July 01, 2021 01:37 PM (5p7BC)

It's important to hand the democrats total victory despite the left's distressing habit of killing 10-20% of the normies when they have power because "reasons."

//Ukulele's Dice Game

Posted by: sven at July 01, 2021 01:39 PM (Lzpvj)

87 Ballot harvesting is appalling, but laws against it are meaningless if they are not enforced. Take as an example Colorado. In CO, ballot harvesting is illegal. Ballots must be dropped off by you or a member of your immediate family. Strangers aren't allowed.

Yet it still happens all the time, almost laughably. The guy in front of me when I dropped my ballot in '20 must've pushed 15 of the damn things through the slot. This would be easy to catch - the drop-boxes are monitored and so they had him on camera. It's just that no one cares.

So saying, "sure, you can make harvesting illegal" is all well and good, but unless someone actually wants to enforce that, it doesn't matter. It's yet another reason why mail-in voting is such a terribly stupid idea.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 01, 2021 01:39 PM (Jsjd7)

88 Put them to training, and may be cleaning up their towns and cities.

Posted by: rd at July 01, 2021 01:36 PM (Z32m1)

That presupposes nation-building to be a valid goal for the military. It should not be.

Posted by: flounder at July 01, 2021 01:39 PM (KnJdm)

89 46 Thinking that black people are too stupid to get IDs or find where to
vote is, what's the word I'm looking for, oh, yes, racist. Actually
racist.
when i went to get my microsoft tracking chips implanted, the first thing they did was ask for my drivers license and insurance card. why do i not hearing outrage about how the id requirement is preventing black people from getting vaccinated?

Posted by: Comrade Anachronda, behind the Newsom curtain at July 01, 2021 01:39 PM (v3pYe)

90
The cross-precinct thing is weird to me. Precincts are hyper-local.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 01, 2021 01:32 PM (Jsjd7)

College students, voting in both their home district and in their school's district. A known bit of election fraud that's been going on for decades.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 01, 2021 01:39 PM (n+4am)

91 Why is Twitter promoting a story about Sinema's office conditions the same day that Politico pushes a story about Kamala's?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at July 01, 2021 01:39 PM (eZG8R)

92 The cross-precinct thing is weird to me. Precincts are hyper-local. Except for very odd conditions where you're *right* on the line, it's pretty damned hard to go to the wrong place. The wrong place will be further away. You'll have to do *more* work to cast your ballot in the wrong place! And it isn't like voting locations are a secret, or that your official election mail doesn't tell you where your polling place is. How was wrong-precinct voting even a thing that needed to be addressed?

Wrong-precinct voting must be a weird kind of con where they do it in order to stuff provisional ballots into the system that get magically sanitized and made real, first-class ballots.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 01, 2021 01:32 PM (Jsjd7)

I would assume it's more a problem in big cities with smaller precincts, where theoretically someone could move to a new apartment and suddenly find themselves in a new precinct even though the same school district, etc., or where precincts get redrawn and suddenly a whole bunch of people are in a new precinct instead of the one they voted in for the past twenty years.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at July 01, 2021 01:40 PM (jOcSX)

93 Of course that falls on deaf ears, but it's the only way to make any change in this phony system. It's only step #1, but it has to be taken before the journey can begin.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice

I wouldn't be so hard on people. The urbanites who still feign libertarian or cuckservative attitudes will get an awakening far ruder than 2020. Voting is useless- not harmful, just mostly performative. Which is fine, the country had a Second Amendment remedy to that back in the 18th century. But voting provides a good smokescreen. For now.

Posted by: trev006 at July 01, 2021 01:40 PM (xY7Uh)

94 Ok hear me out, because of population replacement and the dumbing down and brainwashing of Heritage Americans mainly Soyfags and AWFLs, Americans are too fucking lazy to vote so they love the idea of having groups like Stacy Abrams vote for them based on Identity and Virtue Signaling so they don't have to lift a finger.
These idiots will be ok with sending brainwaves through Facebook to cast a vote by 2030.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at July 01, 2021 01:40 PM (870a5)

95 Next up: Biden declares this decision is worse than the SCOTUS Dred Scott decision. Don't bet against it.

Posted by: history will judge at July 01, 2021 01:40 PM (cXL49)

96 91 Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at July 01, 2021 01:39 PM (eZG8R)

They aim to get the chick with thigh boots back on the reservation....

Posted by: sven at July 01, 2021 01:41 PM (Lzpvj)

97 It's important to hand the democrats total victory despite the left's distressing habit of killing 10-20% of the normies when they have power because "reasons."

//Ukulele's Dice Game
Posted by: sven at July 01, 2021 01:39 PM (Lzpvj)
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If the Republicans don't stop them - and they don't and they don't even bother to pretend to try, not in any national office - then there's no point in voting for a Republican. I see no point whatsoever in legitimizing the charade at the federal level. State and local, there I might vote for a Republican if he has a good platform and, if he is an incumbent, good behavior. But nationally? Why bother?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 01, 2021 01:41 PM (Jsjd7)

98 So does Arizona have upstanding or outstanding??

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at July 01, 2021 01:37 PM (UHVv4)

California has upscaling. Every 1080 legitimate votes are resolved to 2160 votes counted.

Posted by: Grudge Harbor at July 01, 2021 01:41 PM (uhPTO)

99 95 Posted by: history will judge at July 01, 2021 01:40 PM (cXL49)

Joey Plugz is DEEPLY troubled...

Posted by: sven at July 01, 2021 01:41 PM (Lzpvj)

100
If you withhold all votes, then you don't get these changes at the state level in the first place.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at July 01, 2021 01:37 PM (5p7BC)

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You think that'll make a difference. I'm 100% sure that it won't. There is no right "R," because the minutely small number who exist work within a Party of charlatans who always imitate their words but never their deeds. You can't change the GOP. It's been tried, really hard, twice, and with zero results. They pulled out every stop to prevent change, and succeeded, no matter how repulsive the tactics were.

Any attempt to reform that Party structure is doomed from the jump. Just not going to see eye-to-eye on this one, sorry.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 01, 2021 01:42 PM (pfqSb)

101 More than suspect -- many have been caught red-handed (racist?) doing just this. Wasn't there a guy in Texas last year caught with tens of thousands or something?

Posted by: ShainS at July 01, 2021 01:35 PM (S2G4t)

I think it was Veritas that has video of a Somalian in MN bragging on how many ballots he had bought for Ilhan Nur. Showed a big stack of them on his dash. Said they were worth many dollars.

Posted by: GnuBreed at July 01, 2021 01:42 PM (F0YaR)

102 97 Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 01, 2021 01:41 PM (Jsjd7)

Your position is sane, it is letting them f*ck up then spiting them.

It has a possibility of success, "not one republican not one time" means one is at best a moral coward who lacks the resolve to openly be the communists they are empowering.

Posted by: sven at July 01, 2021 01:43 PM (Lzpvj)

103 I had no idea there were so many white supremacists on SCOTUS.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at July 01, 2021 01:43 PM (kTF2Z)

104 College students, voting in both their home district and in their school's district. A known bit of election fraud that's been going on for decades.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 01, 2021 01:39 PM (n+4am)
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This one has pissed me off since I first saw it. I was on campus during some elections - both main and by - and there are these giant voter registration pushes. It struck me as dishonest at the first moment, since virtually no one at a major college actually has residency in the district. Most college kids go home for major breaks and summers and don't really live in the place. Yet, they're registered and vote there. I assume a lot of them get absentee ballots to vote at home, too. But the local vote is almost always fraudulent.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 01, 2021 01:43 PM (Jsjd7)

105 100 Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 01, 2021 01:42 PM (pfqSb)

Right comrade, your goal is total marxist empowerment.

Congrats.

Posted by: sven at July 01, 2021 01:43 PM (Lzpvj)

106 But nationally? Why bother?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 01, 2021 01:41 PM (Jsjd7)

Agreed. The fed is illegitimate. Why give them any pretense of legitimacy?

Posted by: flounder at July 01, 2021 01:44 PM (KnJdm)

107 103 I had no idea there were so many white supremacists on SCOTUS.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at July 01, 2021 01:43 PM (kTF2Z)

Plugz: "Because of these odious, white-supremacist court decisions, I must increase the size of the court and put more 'diversity' within it."

Posted by: Thrawn at July 01, 2021 01:44 PM (Rl7KJ)

108 (points and laughs) your voting system is corrupt af

Posted by: Banana Republic at July 01, 2021 01:45 PM (/6GbT)

109 We won't have seen the democrat party this mad since we took away their black slaves and elected True President Trump.

The propaganda ministers in corporate media will devote hours to this injustice of not letting democrats cheat into office.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at July 01, 2021 01:45 PM (w5raC)

110 106 Posted by: flounder at July 01, 2021 01:44 PM (KnJdm)

Because if you do not grant the GOPe the one free swipe at you to f*ck up the donks will absolutely and inarguably make state and local elections meaningless.

What do you think "defund the police" means?

The left loves them some Stasi they mean to defund non federally controlled cops comrade not eliminate cops.

Posted by: sven at July 01, 2021 01:45 PM (Lzpvj)

111
Right comrade, your goal is total marxist empowerment.

Congrats.
Posted by: sven at July 01, 2021 01:43 PM (Lzpvj)

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Sure thing.

Thanks.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 01, 2021 01:45 PM (pfqSb)

112 well this ruling makes me feel slightly better about Wolf's veto of our nascent voting reform law, and our RINO legislatures weak-kneed response to same.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at July 01, 2021 01:45 PM (j9HX3)

113 So saying, "sure, you can make harvesting illegal" is all well and good, but unless someone actually wants to enforce that, it doesn't matter. It's yet another reason why mail-in voting is such a terribly stupid idea.
Posted by: Joe Mannix
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This is why the new Florida and Georgia laws include voter ID on absentee ballots. That is what the Dems are REALLY fighting.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at July 01, 2021 01:45 PM (5p7BC)

114 It has a possibility of success, "not one republican not one time" means one is at best a moral coward who lacks the resolve to openly be the communists they are empowering.
Posted by: sven at July 01, 2021 01:43 PM (Lzpvj)
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I don't think so. I disagree with YD on state and local (depending on state and locality - some of them should be boycotted, too), but not on the general theme. The Republicans stop nothing and stop at nothing to enable the communists anyway. Voting for them perpetuates the myth that there's an opposition.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 01, 2021 01:45 PM (Jsjd7)

115 The Tuskegee ice cream salesmen like Rochester make it impossible for Black people to trust vaccines.

Woof! Woof!

Sprinkles!

Posted by: joey biden at July 01, 2021 01:46 PM (UHVv4)

116 California has upscaling. Every 1080 legitimate votes are resolved to 2160 votes counted.
Posted by: Grudge Harbor at July 01, 2021 01:41 PM

And uptwinkles.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 01, 2021 01:47 PM (m+jkK)

117 Better, kept them, paid them, and morphed them into something like the Civilian Conservation Corp from the 30's.

Use them as labor on Public Projects.
Posted by: Romeo13 at July 01, 2021 01:38 PM (oHd/0)

Exactly. Keep them busy, reasonably happy, PAID, and out of trouble. As things settle, maybe offer additional slots to good candidates. Make the best into Police, the Good into the Army, and the OK into the CCC.

You do not throw people out of jobs in a country where everything is turned upside down, a lot of the businesses were destroyed, and others had the owners and managers flee. Feed them, calm them, and give them hope of a safe, civilized life. Rebuild the water, sewer, phones and electric.

Posted by: rd at July 01, 2021 01:47 PM (Z32m1)

118 111 Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 01, 2021 01:45 PM (pfqSb)

Have the courage like I have pondered when in particular ire to threaten to tear the temple down don't wait for erosion to do it.

Given you are obviously completely indifferent to the scarlet underwear threat vote as I will when the day comes for the craziest democrat you can find.

Posted by: sven at July 01, 2021 01:47 PM (Lzpvj)

119 The left loves them some Stasi they mean to defund non federally controlled cops comrade not eliminate cops.

Posted by: sven at July 01, 2021 01:45 PM (Lzpvj)

They don't have enough bodies, and even if they did, not enough revenue to pay them. It may happen on a limited basis in the cities. Don't live there, if you can help it.

Posted by: flounder at July 01, 2021 01:47 PM (KnJdm)

120 Better, kept them, paid them, and morphed them into something like the Civilian Conservation Corp from the 30's.

Use them as labor on Public Projects.
Posted by: Romeo13 at July 01, 2021 01:38 PM (oHd/0)

I know this was suggested at the time but the State Department said Nah, bro.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 01, 2021 01:47 PM (yQpMk)

121 58 Somebody has to shape shift and rule the world, people!

Posted by: Absolutely not a Reptilian at July 01, 2021 01:47 PM (+iCo6)

122 You think that'll make a difference. I'm 100% sure that it won't. There is no right "R," because the minutely small number who exist work within a Party of charlatans who always imitate their words but never their deeds.
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Already provably wrong YD.

How many legislative victories in Florida in 2021 do I need to cite before you admit this is a dumb claim?

Posted by: Dave in Fla at July 01, 2021 01:47 PM (5p7BC)

123 This is why the new Florida and Georgia laws include voter ID on absentee ballots. That is what the Dems are REALLY fighting.

yes

we just lost that fight here in PA

I don't see PA going legit voting-wise any time soon. maybe never again.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at July 01, 2021 01:47 PM (j9HX3)

124 Voting for them perpetuates the myth that there's an opposition.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 01, 2021 01:45 PM (Jsjd7)

Even Hamas has managed to get pretty good at this game, so it's a hard knock on conservatives in general that they're so far behind the ball.

Posted by: trev006 at July 01, 2021 01:48 PM (xY7Uh)

125 When you realize America has been occupied the last 120 or so years and our occupiers all view us a cattle, everything makes sense.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at July 01, 2021 01:48 PM (870a5)

126 114 Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 01, 2021 01:45 PM (Jsjd7)

Look once betrayed you excise them from your political life, I get that. Look at my pegging Romney's game when he gracefully lost in 2012. I have also said as a matter of perturbed survival that voting straight ticket donkey may be wise.

"But nuh uh no bad elephant" as total reflex is stupid from a game theory standpoint.

Posted by: sven at July 01, 2021 01:49 PM (Lzpvj)

127 Yudhishthira's Dice at July 01, 2021 01:22 PM (pfqSb)

Tinnitus: pouring alcohol, vinegar, or peroxide in one's ear doesn't help. Taking those pills that Paul Harvey recommended don't help.

Posted by: Braenyard, (dskw5) at July 01, 2021 01:49 PM (dskw5)

128 71 I moved to Nevada to be a Navadean....not a Californian.

My comma machine is lost...so happy.
Posted by: Humphreyrobot at July 01, 2021 01:36 PM (hSiEd)

Then you chose a dude as Miss Nevada.

Posted by: Camper at July 01, 2021 01:50 PM (kazdH)

129 I don't think so. I disagree with YD on state and local (depending on state and locality - some of them should be boycotted, too), but not on the general theme. The Republicans stop nothing and stop at nothing to enable the communists anyway. Voting for them perpetuates the myth that there's an opposition.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 01, 2021 01:45 PM (Jsjd7)

I think I'm in the same camp. We barely dodged getting a stealth Everytown mayor in our little city two years ago. Once she was in, she could've probably stayed in and done long-term damage.

Posted by: Grudge Harbor at July 01, 2021 01:50 PM (uhPTO)

130 119 Posted by: flounder at July 01, 2021 01:47 PM (KnJdm)

The plan is to not pay the snitches but to allow them to navigate their lives.

Hence the government's games of "fire nor water" rulings in the places they hold sway.

They will racialize everything to create snitches.

Posted by: sven at July 01, 2021 01:51 PM (Lzpvj)

131 "But nuh uh no bad elephant" as total reflex is stupid from a game theory standpoint.
Posted by: sven at July 01, 2021 01:49 PM (Lzpvj)
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Voting out every single incumbent Republican federally, even if it means losing the seat for a cycle, would be worth it until they change their behavior. There's barely a dime's worth of difference between a federal Republican and a Democrat. The party needs to be eviscerated and purged of its rot before it can be effective. I don't know if that is possible - killing it outright and starting over with a new party might be better - but it must be done.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 01, 2021 01:51 PM (Jsjd7)

132 Donald Trump is the most persecuted man in the last 2000 years

Posted by: REDACTED at July 01, 2021 01:51 PM (8o8kf)

133 I don't see PA going legit voting-wise any time soon. maybe never again.
Posted by: BlackOrchid at July 01, 2021 01:47 PM (j9HX3)

You think? The PA Supreme Court legalized election fraud last year.

Posted by: Camper at July 01, 2021 01:52 PM (kazdH)

134 To improve the country should we:
1. vote Republican
2. vote Democrat
3. not vote

I don't see a winning strategy.

Posted by: zmdavid at July 01, 2021 01:53 PM (xqRaG)

135
Yeah, and federalism is still a thing too.

Keep on trying to reform the Party... voting harder will *surely* work, *this time* around.

Or don't. Up to you. I'm not trying to force anyone to believe me; the GOP continually does that work for me. If you won't see it and don't want to believe it, ensuing events will eventually change your mind. Or not. Whatever.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 01, 2021 01:53 PM (pfqSb)

136 Perhaps someone could explain to me how the Voting Rights Act is remotely constitutional to begin with, since the US Constitution plainly declares in no uncertain terms the individual states decide how to run elections within their borders. Anyone?

Anyone?

Beuhller?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 01, 2021 01:53 PM (KZzsI)

137 See, rather then sue some Republican ballot harvester should just have shown up after the blue areas in AZ voted with 100K votes for Trump.
I guarantee ballot harvesting would have been banned 5 minutes later

Posted by: 18-1 at July 01, 2021 01:53 PM (DpkTQ)

138 This is the case that SecState (AZ version of Lt Governor) Katie Hobbs was trying to agree to a consent decree between her and the Donks in the lawsuit in the 9th Circus before it got heard by SCROTUS. AZ Senate found out and stripped her power to litigate election lawsuits.

She claimed it was over the State of Maricopa's audit that was ordered by the AZ Senate, but that had nothing to do with it. She tried to get court ordered ballot harvesting and out of precinct voting and got caught.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Gringo fuertemente armado - Tempus belli) at July 01, 2021 01:53 PM (N3El/)

139 If one doesn't vote for a certain Republican in his district he should write in a vote.

When the percentiles are given that vote for Daffy Duck will be counted and will lower the percentile of the Democrat.

Posted by: Braenyard, (dskw5) at July 01, 2021 01:53 PM (dskw5)

140 131 Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 01, 2021 01:51 PM (Jsjd7)

Again your opponents will not go "oh damn we are winning let's rest on our laurels" they will outlaw the places you live, destroy your earning potential, target you for scheduled starvation if need be, deny you electrical power, and if inspired allow megadeaths.

Yes in a simple world your answer works quicker, this is not a simple world ask the whigs.

Posted by: sven at July 01, 2021 01:53 PM (Lzpvj)

141 Any attempt to reform that Party structure is doomed from the jump. Just not going to see eye-to-eye on this one, sorry.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 01, 2021 01:42 PM (pfqSb)

Then get involved! The GOP is picking the precinct workers right about now. Find a good honest candidate and support them, or run yourself.

And keep voting until it is time to start shooting. Even if you only vote for one good candidate. My state is non partisan, so I usually vote Democrat in the primary, and vote for the spoiler candidate. Yea Bernie!

Posted by: rd at July 01, 2021 01:53 PM (Z32m1)

142 Where are all the warp drive space fighters I was promised we'd have by now when I was a kid in the 1960's???

Posted by: Archer at July 01, 2021 01:54 PM (gmo/4)

143 They will racialize everything to create snitches.

Posted by: sven at July 01, 2021 01:51 PM (Lzpvj)

Not sure how that connects back to not voting for do-nothing Rs locally or nationally.

Posted by: flounder at July 01, 2021 01:54 PM (KnJdm)

144 Seriously, trying to get the courts and officials in blue areas to stop Dem cheating isn't going to work.
The only solution is to cheat more and better.

Posted by: 18-1 at July 01, 2021 01:54 PM (DpkTQ)

145 Absolutely more shocked Kagan, Breyer and the [/]Wise Leftist Hack Latinx voted against it.

Oh wait, would have bet the house they voted against it.
Dammit.

Posted by: Skip at July 01, 2021 01:54 PM (Cxk7w)

146 How many legislative victories in Florida in 2021 do I need to cite before you admit this is a dumb claim?

We'll see how this plays out after the midterms.

I predict DeSantis is removed and Democrats take the state legislature.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 01, 2021 01:54 PM (KZzsI)

147 137 See, rather then sue some Republican ballot harvester should just have shown up after the blue areas in AZ voted with 100K votes for Trump.
I guarantee ballot harvesting would have been banned 5 minutes later
Posted by: 18-1 at July 01, 2021 01:53 PM (DpkTQ)

========

Incorrect.

The individual would be in prison for 50 years while Democrats would use the event to show that Republicans are the real cheaters after detailing in exact detail the method of cheating done by the Republicans in this instance. The media would parrot the idea that only Republicans do this, and that election integrity is actually such a huge issue that we need to make ballot harvesting legal across the land, but only done by trusted federal officials appointed by Joe Biden.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at July 01, 2021 01:55 PM (eZG8R)

148 Where are all the warp drive space fighters I was promised we'd have by now when I was a kid in the 1960's???
We invested the research dollars in more important things like tranny surgery and CRT.

Posted by: 18-1 at July 01, 2021 01:55 PM (DpkTQ)

149 Best part? This ruling undermines most of the entire federal premise for getting involved in each states election policy. They have been using the VRA as their tool, and alleging these changes are racially discriminatory. SCOTUS went to lengths in their opinion to say 1) there is no proof to support that and; 2) voting integrity is in the interests of all parties.

Posted by: Marcus T, My Preferred Pronoun is "Your Majesty" at July 01, 2021 01:55 PM (VpIIl)

150 143 Posted by: flounder at July 01, 2021 01:54 PM (KnJdm)

This is being done even with the either illusion or reed thin opposition they face.

Handing Team Jackass a 535 seat margin to actually no bullshit rewrite the US Constitution is not a winning strategy and will kill a lot of people.

Posted by: sven at July 01, 2021 01:55 PM (Lzpvj)

151 Where are all the warp drive space fighters I was promised we'd have by now when I was a kid in the 1960's???
We invested the research dollars in more important things like tranny surgery and CRT.

Well, I knew there had to be a reason...

Posted by: Archer at July 01, 2021 01:55 PM (gmo/4)

152 Handing Team Jackass a 535 seat margin to actually no bullshit rewrite the US Constitution is not a winning strategy and will kill a lot of people.
Posted by: sven at July 01, 2021 01:55 PM (Lzpvj)

Meh. 60-70% of the US deserves to die.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at July 01, 2021 01:56 PM (jOcSX)

153 Beuhller?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 01, 2021 01:53 PM (KZzsI)
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I think there's a clause in the 15th Amendment that empowers Congress to end racial discrimination in voting.

Posted by: zmdavid at July 01, 2021 01:56 PM (xqRaG)

154 I'm looking forward to Mark Kelly denouncing this decision on the campaign trail next year.

Posted by: Curly Shuffle at July 01, 2021 01:56 PM (TNyrE)

155 146 How many legislative victories in Florida in 2021 do I need to cite before you admit this is a dumb claim?

We'll see how this plays out after the midterms.

I predict DeSantis is removed and Democrats take the state legislature.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 01, 2021 01:54 PM (KZzsI)

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I understand being down on certain national and local races in certain locations, but Florida is not one of those. In an election cycle dominated by Democrats fighting to get rid of Literally Hitler by cheating obviously and constantly, Trump won by almost 400,000 votes.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at July 01, 2021 01:56 PM (eZG8R)

156 >>> Why is Twitter promoting a story about Sinema's office conditions the same day that Politico pushes a story about Kamala's?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at July 01, 2021 01:39 PM (eZG8R)

Is it where she's walking around the office wearing only a corset and stilettos snapping a whip at her office staff? Or was that just a fanfic I read?

Posted by: banana Dream at July 01, 2021 01:57 PM (OV00c)

157 " See, rather then sue some Republican ballot harvester should just have
shown up after the blue areas in AZ voted with 100K votes for Trump.

I guarantee ballot harvesting would have been banned 5 minutes later

Posted by: 18-1 at July 01, 2021 01:53 PM (DpkTQ)
"
It would have been declared an "insurrection" and they would throw his grandparents in prison, into solitary confinement and then looped continuous CRT films until they went mad.

Posted by: Marcus T, My Preferred Pronoun is at July 01, 2021 01:57 PM (VpIIl)

158 Trump won by almost 400,000 votes.
Of course that's true in all the stolen states too....
But DeSantis actually kept them from stealing the election there so...can we get more of him in the other states?

Posted by: 18-1 at July 01, 2021 01:57 PM (DpkTQ)

159 72 Then maybe he should resign.

Or make some toast in the bathtub. I like that toast idea better.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 01, 2021 01:36 PM (pfqSb)

Concur. And, I could help you out--for a price.

...

Also, would you like some toast?

Posted by: Talkie Toaster at July 01, 2021 01:57 PM (DTX3h)

160 Posted by: sven at July 01, 2021 01:55 PM (Lzpvj)

And voting harder is a proven success strategy? Not from where I sit.

Posted by: flounder at July 01, 2021 01:57 PM (KnJdm)

161 Again your opponents will not go "oh damn we are winning let's rest on our laurels" they will outlaw the places you live, destroy your earning potential, target you for scheduled starvation if need be, deny you electrical power, and if inspired allow megadeaths.

Yes in a simple world your answer works quicker, this is not a simple world ask the whigs.
Posted by: sven at July 01, 2021 01:53 PM (Lzpvj)
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Where we disagree, I think, is whether the outcome you describe - and about which you are correct - is in question if Republicans are returned to national office. I don't think it is. The Republicans, by and large, *do* rest on their laurels whenever they're not actively enabling the opposition. Acknowledging that the Left wants me dead and to install a permanent tyranny - and they do - is not the same as asserting that Republicans are interested in trying to do anything at all to stop them. The Dems are fast and the Reps are slow, but they're on the same road to the same destination in all cases - at least nationally.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 01, 2021 01:58 PM (Jsjd7)

162 Sippy cup said the good part of the FL building collapse was that it lets the nation know we can cooperate and when it's really important.

Sippy. Cup.

Posted by: Archer at July 01, 2021 01:58 PM (gmo/4)

163
They don't need the blowout majority. They already run the show without it, and will continue to.

They need their stalking-elephant much more than they need some more Congresscritters who are *technically* in the "D" column.

That's what keeps the natives from growing restive. It's an actual source of power for the Dems.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 01, 2021 01:59 PM (pfqSb)

164 Best part? This ruling undermines most of the entire
federal premise for getting involved in each states election policy.
They have been using the VRA as their tool, and alleging these changes
are racially discriminatory. SCOTUS went to lengths in their opinion to
say 1) there is no proof to support that and; 2) voting integrity is in
the interests of all parties.

Posted by: Marcus T, My Preferred Pronoun is "Your Majesty" at July 01, 2021 01:55 PM

Yep, it is literally a preemptive strike against the DOJ and their lawsuit against Georgia's new voting law. A shot across the bow as it were warning the DOJ that the Supreme Court is not gonna play that game.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at July 01, 2021 01:59 PM (JUOKG)

165 "I predict DeSantis is removed and Democrats take the state legislature.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 01, 2021 01:54 PM (KZzsI)"
I predict space aliens will come from the star Arcturus and plant rutabagas in your yard.

Posted by: Marcus T, My Preferred Pronoun is at July 01, 2021 01:59 PM (VpIIl)

166 If we on the right could put together a real boycott we'd be better served boycotting companies that employ GOPe traitors then ones that work with the Dems.

Posted by: 18-1 at July 01, 2021 01:59 PM (DpkTQ)

167 Perhaps someone could explain to me how the Voting Rights Act is remotely constitutional to begin with, since the US Constitution plainly declares in no uncertain terms the individual states decide how to run elections within their borders. Anyone?
Anyone?
Beuhller?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 01, 2021 01:53 PM (KZzsI)

Because the DEMOCRATS in the Southern States were cheating and disenfranchising Republican (Black) /voters, and the Democrat Legislatures and Democrat Governors in the states did not want to to lose their power. They wanted to keep cheating and disenfranchising non Democrat Party voters.

Not much has changed in 100 years.

Posted by: rd at July 01, 2021 01:59 PM (Z32m1)

168 I don't know how 'breaking' this is but...

BREAKING: Team Trump Launches New Social Media Website
The platform, known as GETTR, launched on Thursday and its mission statement reads that it is a place that is "fighting cancel culture, promoting common sense, defending free speech, challenging social media monopolies, and creating a true marketplace of ideas," Politico reported.

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at July 01, 2021 02:00 PM (UHVv4)

169 >>>Or don't. Up to you. I'm not trying to force anyone to believe me; ...

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 01, 2021 01:53 PM (pfqSb)
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Or, people are sheep and President Donald J. Trump is a sheep herder. He has done more to reform the party than any leader in our lifetime and he's still doing it.

Vote are changing. People are leaving and new people are coming in on his coat-tails ---even with him out of office.

Now is not the time to be impatient.
+/- two cents

Posted by: Braenyard, (dskw5) at July 01, 2021 02:00 PM (dskw5)

170 The idea we're going to vote out all Rs at the Federal level "for just one cycle" and then magically clean the party is NUTS.

Ever see incumbent re-election stats?

Better to get as many non RINOs and make the remainder vote R (i.e. pull) and then work on getting them out.

Christ, look at what the Ds think they have a mandate to do with a 50/50 senate and 6 vote lead in the house.

No offense to anyone. But excising the whe wound in one shot isn't an option. And never will be.

Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at July 01, 2021 02:01 PM (WX5Yg)

171 we just lost that fight here in PA

I don't see PA going legit voting-wise any time soon. maybe never again.
Posted by: BlackOrchid
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Not really, it will just take longer.

When that ballot initiative passed, Wolf's emergency powers were stripped. Your election law reverted to what it was prior to COVID.

This means you no longer have "no-excuse" absentee ballots. That was the big thing that Wolf vetoed. PA now reverts to majority of voting must be done on election day.

Now it is up to PA to put a Republican in the governors office who will sign the new election law in 2023.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at July 01, 2021 02:01 PM (5p7BC)

172 Gotta wonder about self-declared Federal workers here shitting on people saying they're done lending the GOP any legitimacy in their Washington Generals game.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at July 01, 2021 02:02 PM (DXFDM)

173 I think there's a clause in the 15th Amendment that empowers Congress to end racial discrimination in voting.

Yep, there it is. I guess after the Civil War, the entire concept of state sovereignty was killed forever so why not tell them what to do?

In an election cycle dominated by Democrats fighting to get rid of Literally Hitler by cheating obviously and constantly, Trump won by almost 400,000 votes.

They weren't focused on state elections as much in 2020 as they were the presidency, but we did see what they id in Georgia. Don't claim they can't pull it off in states, they cheated horrendously in the general election to get Biden in office, so egregiously they invented tens of millions of votes.

If they want to flip a state, they will, unless stopped by someone. And who is that gonna be? The courts didn't care last time. The state legislatures didn't care. The DOJ didn't care. The freaking VICE PRESIDENT didn't care.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 01, 2021 02:02 PM (KZzsI)

174 I'm watching Sven disagree about the futility of voting with a couple of you and I kind of agree with both sides.

Serious question Sven: What do you think is the best way to punish the GOPe (as a whole) for being such two-faced back-stabbing pussies? For being such "noble losers" instead of fighting back like Trump did?

I have no idea, other than withholding votes and money.

Posted by: 496 at July 01, 2021 02:02 PM (U1eOr)

175 Well Roberts had to throw us a bone or we might do an actual Jan 6.

#Jan/6

Like 9/11?

Posted by: jakee308 at July 01, 2021 02:02 PM (KfCZH)

176 I missed the Kamala thread, but some of us have been speculating that something happened behind the scenes to make the party do a complete reversal on her.

A gossip site says it involves her husband (an entertainment lawyer who she married to make it look like she had a family) and the rumor he knocked up one of his kid's teachers.

Also remember she was involved in the Jussie Smollett fiasco. Anyway, it's become clear that she's not to get the fawning press anymore, and I hope we find out why.

Posted by: artemis at July 01, 2021 02:02 PM (AwPyG)

177 No offense to anyone. But excising the whe wound in one shot isn't an option. And never will be.
Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal
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Agree. This is a fight that will take a generation. It took Trump to finally show us who are enemies are.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at July 01, 2021 02:02 PM (5p7BC)

178 Anyone?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 01, 2021 01:53 PM (KZzsI)

I think it goes back to powers granted or assumed under the 14th Amendment during reconstruction and the ensuing unpleasantness. Fed power, once achieved, is not easily given up. Thus, the racist lies that black Americans can't get an ID to vote, to support the original premise of once-actual discriminatory voting practices.

Posted by: flounder at July 01, 2021 02:02 PM (KnJdm)

179
In Texas, a fake Republican local candidate hired a con woman to canvass neighborhoods and "help" stupid people fill out their ballots. She "helped" them vote straight Democrat every time.

Posted by: Soothsayer the Senile TV Encyclopedia at July 01, 2021 02:02 PM (zEXDR)

180 I predict space aliens will come from the star Arcturus and plant rutabagas in your yard.

We'll see which of these comes true, won't we?

No aliens have landed to plant anything in anyone's yard but we just watched a presidency get stolen quite obviously and openly. In other words: one of these has precedent.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 01, 2021 02:03 PM (KZzsI)

181 Perhaps someone could explain to me how the Voting Rights Act is remotely constitutional to begin with, since the US Constitution plainly declares in no uncertain terms the individual states decide how to run elections within their borders. Anyone?
Anyone?
Beuhller?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

It's not. ConCucks will still use Muh Racism as an excuse same with the unconditional Civil Rights Act.
Both are subversive legislations along with the 1965 Immigration act that have completely replaced the Constitution and other Founding Documents.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at July 01, 2021 02:03 PM (12h5R)

182 Okay, Off topic . House blocked funds for iron dome missiles for Israel. Don;t they realize that if Israel can;t stopHamas rockets with Iron Dome they will have to bomb the shit out of Gaza or risk their own people being killed? This is so absurd.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at July 01, 2021 02:03 PM (sd8p8)

183 Those 3 Leftist SC judges simply voted against the Rule of Law.
Which is a new standard to identify a Leftist.
They lost today, but they will be back tomorrow, tearing down the basic pact that has kept this nation together for 240 years.
These Leftist SC judges don't care about a common pact, they care about absolute power at any cost.
I didn't call them Liberal judges, because they don't care about the laws being true and just. They only care, like their political counterparts in the other 2 branches of government, of absolute power for their side at any cost.
Those 3 Leftist judges are just doing their part to destroy America.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at July 01, 2021 02:04 PM (sy5kK)

184 173 They weren't focused on state elections as much in 2020 as they were the presidency, but we did see what they id in Georgia. Don't claim they can't pull it off in states, they cheated horrendously in the general election to get Biden in office, so egregiously they invented tens of millions of votes.

If they want to flip a state, they will, unless stopped by someone. And who is that gonna be? The courts didn't care last time. The state legislatures didn't care. The DOJ didn't care. The freaking VICE PRESIDENT didn't care.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 01, 2021 02:02 PM (KZzsI)

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The idea that they didn't try in Florida is ridiculous. They did try. DeSantis made real moves before the election to secure the election, stuff that Kemp refused to do in Georgia.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at July 01, 2021 02:04 PM (eZG8R)

185 Why Camper...aren't you as frisky as a langly Texas Otter.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at July 01, 2021 02:04 PM (hSiEd)

186 Yep, it is literally a preemptive strike against the DOJ and their lawsuit against Georgia's new voting law. A shot across the bow as it were warning the DOJ that the Supreme Court is not gonna play that game.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at July 01, 2021 01:59 PM (JUOKG)

Maybe the SCOTUS has realized that ducking issues has only gotten them contempt and derision from BOTH sides, and they are fast losing any legitimacy. The Democrat pack the court moves may have finally gotten through to Chief Justice Blows in the Wind.

Posted by: rd at July 01, 2021 02:04 PM (Z32m1)

187 In Texas, a fake Republican local candidate hired a con woman to canvass neighborhoods and "help" stupid people fill out their ballots. She "helped" them vote straight Democrat every time.

Posted by: Soothsayer the Senile TV Encyclopedia at July 01, 2021 02:02 PM (zEXDR)

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Who and where? You'll need to be more specific, because unfortunately fake Republicans and RINOs are becoming more and more common across the state.

Posted by: reason at July 01, 2021 02:04 PM (q/kmn)

188 >>>If they want to flip a state, they will, unless stopped by someone. ...

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 01, 2021 02:02 PM (KZzsI)
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"Here's looking at you, kid."

Posted by: Braenyard, (dskw5) at July 01, 2021 02:06 PM (dskw5)

189 SCROTUM is like a dog's ass.....

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 01, 2021 02:06 PM (kB2EL)

190 >Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 01, 2021 01:59 PM (pfqSb)

This guy gets it. It's all a puppet show to placate the natives. If you can't see that by now, after everything we've been through the last five years, then I'm not sure what would ever convince you.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at July 01, 2021 02:06 PM (DXFDM)

191 @173

I think they're going to have a hard time having machines with ethernet cords for voting (which was what codemonkeyz was exposing in AZ, right before the vote.)

So take some hope; they obviously can't win it in the deep blue cities alone, which is why they had to go after GA and AZ in the first place. I tend to think it was an all-the-marbles gambit, and it didn't succeed because they didn't fix the undercard enough

Posted by: artemis at July 01, 2021 02:06 PM (AwPyG)

192 18 9 Garland is scum
Posted by: CN at July 01, 2021 01:24 PM (ONvIw)

Some things just need to be repeated.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at July 01, 2021 02:06 PM (sy5kK)

193 Maybe the SCOTUS has realized that ducking issues has only gotten them contempt and derision from BOTH sides, and they are fast losing any legitimacy. The Democrat pack the court moves may have finally gotten through to Chief Justice Blows in the Wind.
Posted by: rd at July 01, 2021 02:04 PM (Z32m1)

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Or he's doing it intentionally to give them cover when they pack the court and give him more opportunities to "pretend" to be Conservative once the liberal decision is a foregone conclusion.

Posted by: reason at July 01, 2021 02:06 PM (q/kmn)

194 "
Yep, it is literally a preemptive strike against
the DOJ and their lawsuit against Georgia's new voting law. A shot
across the bow as it were warning the DOJ that the Supreme Court is not
gonna play that game.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at July 01, 2021 01:59 PM (JUOKG)"
If you read the ruling they were very precise with their language and citations. To the point where it would be hard to question federal involvement in any state elections, and that the authority for electoral processes lies with the legislature. While that may become more explicit with some of the other cases out there, they were very clear about the interests of the state in preventing fraud and maintaining electoral integrity. That's of course not because they care about us, but they care about their own vanity and the fact most people flamed their cowardly behavior after the last election, err, steal...

Posted by: Marcus T, My Preferred Pronoun is at July 01, 2021 02:06 PM (VpIIl)

195 Okay, Off topic . House blocked funds for iron dome
missiles for Israel. Don;t they realize that if Israel can;t stopHamas
rockets with Iron Dome they will have to bomb the shit out of Gaza or
risk their own people being killed? This is so absurd.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at July 01, 2021 02:03 PM

You do know that's exactly what they want right?

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at July 01, 2021 02:07 PM (JUOKG)

196 The South in the 60's was literally like Fallujah and the Holocaust. Remember the 6 billion Black People who died in the South that decade and the 6 billion before them.
#NeverForget

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at July 01, 2021 02:07 PM (12h5R)

197 The idea that they didn't try in Florida is ridiculous

Of course they tried, like they do every year. But they didn't pull out all the stops. This whole "oh they'd never do it here" thing is without the slightest merit: THEY DID IT EVERYWHERE LAST TIME. This doesn't seem to have sunk into people's heads. President Trump won by a landslide and they rigged it so he lost.

They'll do it again and again everywhere until they control it all. Who'll stop them? What's the down side to their doing so, from their perspective? They think they are fighting a Holy War against Nazis. It would be evil to NOT cheat, in their minds.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 01, 2021 02:07 PM (KZzsI)

198 Numerous races have gone from Republican leads to Democrat "victories"
when the Democrat-paid "ballot harvesters" suddenly turn in thousands of
ballots in the closing moments of vote counting.

Shocking allegation!

Posted by: Mitt Romney, Facebook Trust And Safety Council at July 01, 2021 02:07 PM (OOwtX)

199 >>>You'll need to be more specific, because unfortunately fake Republicans and RINOs are becoming more and more common across the state.
Posted by: reason at July 01, 2021 02:04 PM (q/kmn)
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More common than what?
More common than when?

Posted by: Braenyard, (dskw5) at July 01, 2021 02:07 PM (dskw5)

200 191 So take some hope; they obviously can't win it in the deep blue cities alone, which is why they had to go after GA and AZ in the first place. I tend to think it was an all-the-marbles gambit, and it didn't succeed because they didn't fix the undercard enough
Posted by: artemis at July 01, 2021 02:06 PM (AwPyG)

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They did last second ballot box stuffing in six states because their months of cheating through mail wasn't enough. Think about that. A country that actively rejected leftist rule isn't going to just become compliant. We still have the hope of doing things through voting and representative governance. Once that hope goes away...things get sporty.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at July 01, 2021 02:07 PM (eZG8R)

201 If they want to flip a state, they will, unless
stopped by someone. And who is that gonna be? The courts didn't care
last time. The state legislatures didn't care. The DOJ didn't care.
The freaking VICE PRESIDENT didn't care.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 01, 2021 02:02 PM (KZzsI)

Ah, so, 15th Amendment. And the GOPe played along with the slow-rolling coup the entire Trump administration, the will of their putative constituency. They nullified the 2016 election, then they rolled over (at best, were complicit, at worst) for the theft of a century. Bad GOPe. No money. No votes.
And to someone's point, Trump opened people's eyes to the enemy: Apparently not enough.

Posted by: flounder at July 01, 2021 02:07 PM (KnJdm)

202 We just need to vote harder!

Posted by: Puddin Head at July 01, 2021 02:07 PM (/MaDp)

203 Is this the SCOTUS that told Pennsylvania that something they were doing regarding the election was illegal and then didn't care when they continued?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Juneteenth, because we need to celebrate whites being badass at July 01, 2021 02:08 PM (e6I/s)

204 Why is Twitter promoting a story about Sinema's office conditions the same day that Politico pushes a story about Kamala's?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at July 01, 2021 01:39 PM (eZG8R)

Distraction. I don't know why they hate Sinema so much, except she likes to buck the Dem trends. She's still a commie.

Posted by: soulpile at July 01, 2021 02:08 PM (hiX0r)

205 197 The idea that they didn't try in Florida is ridiculous

Of course they tried, like they do every year. But they didn't pull out all the stops. This whole "oh they'd never do it here" thing is without the slightest merit: THEY DID IT EVERYWHERE LAST TIME. This doesn't seem to have sunk into people's heads. President Trump won by a landslide and they rigged it so he lost.

They'll do it again and again everywhere until they control it all. Who'll stop them? What's the down side to their doing so, from their perspective? They think they are fighting a Holy War against Nazis. It would be evil to NOT cheat, in their minds.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 01, 2021 02:07 PM (KZzsI)

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Your central point that started this was that DeSantis was going to lose in 2022. I think you've started arguing against that point now.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at July 01, 2021 02:08 PM (eZG8R)

206 We just need to vote harder!
Posted by: Puddin Head at July 01, 2021 02:07 PM (/MaDp)

And whatever you do, don't say pussy!

Posted by: 496 at July 01, 2021 02:08 PM (U1eOr)

207 "Garland is scum
"

And he just got squeak holed by SCOTUS in front of the entire country. Mr Fake Moderate Democrat Hack.

Posted by: Marcus T, My Preferred Pronoun is at July 01, 2021 02:08 PM (VpIIl)

208 If the GOP continues to be the "stupid party" and alienate their base, not their donors, as they're doing now they will survive. My theory is that the GOP is rapidly becoming irrelevant to those donors (and lobbyists) as they can't get their thumbs out of their collective ass. Donors spend billions on the GOP to get legislation passed the lobbyists have written for them. That's not happening so much any more. As a deep pocketed donor one has to ask if they're getting what they paid for. I think the answer is no.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 01, 2021 02:08 PM (3H9h1)

209 Is this the SCOTUS that told Pennsylvania that something they were doing regarding the election was illegal and then didn't care when they continued?
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Juneteenth, because we need to celebrate whites being badass at July 01, 2021 02:08 PM (e6I/s)

Ummmmmm.....Yes.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 01, 2021 02:09 PM (kB2EL)

210 Distraction. I don't know why they hate Sinema so much, except she likes to buck the Dem trends. She's still a commie.
Posted by: soulpile at July 01, 2021 02:08 PM (hiX0r)

I bet I can make her buck...

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at July 01, 2021 02:09 PM (jOcSX)

211 165 "I predict DeSantis is removed and Democrats take the state legislature.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 01, 2021 01:54 PM (KZzsI)"
I predict space aliens will come from the star Arcturus and plant rutabagas in your yard.
Posted by: Marcus T, My Preferred Pronoun is at July 01, 2021 01:59 PM (VpIIl)

I hate rutabagas.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at July 01, 2021 02:09 PM (sy5kK)

212 the Voting Rights Act gives congress, the courts, and the Biden administration all the fuel they need to simply reverse any problematic voting laws that anyone passes or has passed. Sorry, unconstitutional, we get to do what we want. Suck it.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 01, 2021 02:09 PM (KZzsI)

213 The NSA must have liked this case for whatever reason so Roberts was given the green light ....

Posted by: Voter theater. at July 01, 2021 02:09 PM (xXx5y)

214 Okay, Off topic . House blocked funds for iron dome missiles for Israel. Don;t they realize that if Israel can;t stopHamas rockets with Iron Dome they will have to bomb the shit out of Gaza or risk their own people being killed? This is so absurd.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at July 01, 2021 02:03 PM (sd8p

++++++++++++++

That is not a bug, that is a FEATURE!

More Palestinian Blood for Ilhan Omar to wade in. More bad publicity for the only real democracy in the Mideast.

You do realize that Hamas Rockets killed 91 Palestinians in Gaza? They killed 91 of their own people, but only 13 Israelis.

Posted by: rd at July 01, 2021 02:09 PM (Z32m1)

215 We have honest elections then Republican Run the Table.

Posted by: Braenyard, (dskw5) at July 01, 2021 02:10 PM (dskw5)

216 Your central point that started this was that DeSantis was going to lose in 2022. I think you've started arguing against that point now.

... read what I posted again a few times. Its not that obscure.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 01, 2021 02:10 PM (KZzsI)

217 I predict DeSantis is removed and Democrats take the state legislature.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
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Very bad prediction.

DeSantis will win easily and the GOP will retain the control they have had for over 2 decades.

These bills are passing by 70-30.

And Florida just passed a new election law to prevent even more fraud, even though the Dems weren't able to figure out a way to cheat here in 2020.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at July 01, 2021 02:10 PM (5p7BC)

218 "Also remember she was involved in the Jussie Smollett fiasco."

This was coordinated with an Anti-Lynching bill roll out by Kamala and Booker.
They need a lynching, so they created one.
It almost worked, despite its ridiculousness.

Posted by: Juicy's subway shop at July 01, 2021 02:11 PM (aAP3z)

219 @194

Article 2 spells it out very clearly, that the authority rests with each state's legislature to select electors.

Why is that? because legislatures have to hammer out laws when no one knows ahead of time whose ox is being gored, so the laws are presumed to be fair.

The last thing you want is a Governor or state SC changing election laws while the votes are being counted, as in Florida 2000.

The founding fathers were very very smart

Posted by: artemis at July 01, 2021 02:11 PM (AwPyG)

220 165 -

I hate rutabagas.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 01, 2021 02:12 PM (rUBKu)

221 I predict space aliens will come from the star Arcturus and plant rutabagas in your yard.
And by rutabagas we mean a probe and by your yard we mean your ass.

Posted by: Aliens from Arcturus at July 01, 2021 02:12 PM (DpkTQ)

222 >>> If the GOP continues to be the "stupid party" and alienate their base, not their donors, as they're doing now they will survive. My theory is that the GOP is rapidly becoming irrelevant to those donors (and lobbyists) as they can't get their thumbs out of their collective ass. Donors spend billions on the GOP to get legislation passed the lobbyists have written for them. That's not happening so much any more. As a deep pocketed donor one has to ask if they're getting what they paid for. I think the answer is no.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 01, 2021 02:08 PM (3H9h1)

Maybe they're just being paid to throw the fight.

Posted by: banana Dream at July 01, 2021 02:12 PM (OV00c)

223 They will not stop cheating because of a little scotus ruling. That is what the gop does. Scotus say boo and they run away screaming. Dems will just rename ballotbharvesting something else tweak the process a little and continue doing it.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at July 01, 2021 02:12 PM (swGmf)

224 The Democrats insured greater conflict by voting down Iron Dome.

Israel will now line up its D-11s in tandem and drive toward the Suez.

Posted by: Braenyard, (dskw5) at July 01, 2021 02:12 PM (dskw5)

225 OT -I have a stupid question and the internet is not terribly helpful. I have lost my cell phone. We tried calling it from another phone and there's no answer in my house. I think it's in my house, but that the power was so dead it just rang without being heard. Anyone had this problem? What do you do?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke (k39e/) at July 01, 2021 02:13 PM (k39e/)

226 his was coordinated with an Anti-Lynching bill roll out by Kamala and Booker.
They need a lynching, so they created one.
It almost worked, despite its ridiculousness.
Posted by: Juicy's subway shop at July 01, 2021 02:11 PM (aAP3z)

In democrat bizzaro, delusion-world that most leftists live in 24/7, it did.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 01, 2021 02:13 PM (UuD2k)

227 Voting Rights Act gives congress, the courts, and the Biden administration all the fuel they need to simply reverse any problematic voting laws that anyone passes or has passed. Sorry, unconstitutional, we get to do what we want. Suck it.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
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Oh come on. You know the VRA was neutered in 2012. This put a bullet in its head. You are smarter than this.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at July 01, 2021 02:13 PM (5p7BC)

228 I have tinnitus. The ad on the front page suggesting I should pump a bottle of hand-sanitizer into my ear canal to stop it seems questionable.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 01, 2021 01:22 PM (pfqSb)

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Fish tank cleaner FTW!

Posted by: ShainS at July 01, 2021 02:13 PM (S2G4t)

229 228 I have tinnitus. The ad on the front page suggesting I should pump a bottle of hand-sanitizer into my ear canal to stop it seems questionable.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 01, 2021 01:22 PM (pfqSb)

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Fish tank cleaner FTW!
Posted by: ShainS at July 01, 2021 02:13 PM (S2G4t)

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Find a small child and have it scream in the affected ear.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at July 01, 2021 02:14 PM (eZG8R)

230 >>>Maybe they're just being paid to throw the fight.
Posted by: banana Dream at July 01, 2021 02:12 PM (OV00c)
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Yes
And Trump is getting rid of the cucks as fast as he can.

Posted by: Braenyard, (dskw5) at July 01, 2021 02:14 PM (dskw5)

231 "We'll see which of these comes true, won't we?

No aliens have landed to plant anything in anyone's yard but we just
watched a presidency get stolen quite obviously and openly. In other
words: one of these has precedent.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 01, 2021 02:03 PM (KZzsI)"
Yes, yes we will, Suicidal Eeyore.
Personally, I think it's time to sack up and fight back, not submit and bend over. Are the winds against us? Yes they are. But frankly, I don't get motivated until the rounds are landing around me.
So I guess you can either dwell on the past and submit, or fight until your last, dying breath. I know what I would choose.

Posted by: Marcus T, My Preferred Pronoun is at July 01, 2021 02:14 PM (VpIIl)

232 Posted by: artemis at July 01, 2021 02:02 PM (AwPyG)

Kamala will be fine. And she will be the FFPOC.

You heard it here first.

Posted by: ... at July 01, 2021 02:14 PM (xP1n4)

233 What do you do?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke (k39e/) at July 01, 2021 02:13 PM (k39e/)

It's cliche, but remember the last place I had it. Or maybe ask NSA Bob to ping it for you.

Posted by: flounder at July 01, 2021 02:15 PM (KnJdm)

234 2020 showed ya there is no such thing as a safe Republican win. DeSantis has to win by 10 in order to win by 2 after Dominion is done with the counts.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at July 01, 2021 02:15 PM (swGmf)

235 My guess is that the civilian population of Gaza is pretty fed up with all the money going to build tunnels and rockets. I bet they would be pleased to see an Israeli ground offensive take back Gaza. The arabs who live in Israel seem pretty happy with their lot.
I think there are even rumblings in the west bank as Abbas was forced to postpone elections and jail his opponent. That is not a confident government.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at July 01, 2021 02:15 PM (sd8p8)

236 I framed my boilerplate letter from Richard Burr telling me to contact the FBi if I had any concerns about the integrity of the 2020 elections.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Juneteenth, because we need to celebrate whites being badass at July 01, 2021 02:15 PM (e6I/s)

237 @212

For what its worth, the USSC has already ruled that the voting rights act does not give the feds superseding authority over a state's legislature.

It would be hard to rule otherwise, since Constitution trumps fed statute.

Hopefully

Posted by: artemis at July 01, 2021 02:15 PM (AwPyG)

238 42 Said it earlier this morning, but this is important.

It means the DOJ case against Georgia is dead, the new Florida law, and the (soon to be) new Texas law, will stand.
Arizona will be enacting addition legislation soon, and PA just had a new law vetoed.
WI and MI are starting to make noises, and NH also passed a new law with minor changes.
The downside is that the new Nevada law will be hard to fight, but a legal challenge to the CA harvesting law is a possibility.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at July 01, 2021 01:29 PM (5p7BC)

Dave, you really need to write more here, even more than being a guest writer.
I, for one, am so glad you decided to come back. Your clarity on important points is educational for us all.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at July 01, 2021 02:15 PM (sy5kK)

239 I think it's in my house, but that the power was so dead it just rang without being heard. Anyone had this problem? What do you do?

Where's the last place you had it?

j/k Fenelon I couldn't resist. Hopefully someone here can help you out. If it's dead I'm not sure what other options are available.

Posted by: Jewells45 at July 01, 2021 02:16 PM (nxdel)

240 Lost track of what is going on in Harrisburg, the state congress has been working on voting laws.

Posted by: Skip at July 01, 2021 02:16 PM (Cxk7w)

241 OT -I have a stupid question and the internet is not terribly helpful. I have lost my cell phone. We tried calling it from another phone and there's no answer in my house. I think it's in my house, but that the power was so dead it just rang without being heard. Anyone had this problem? What do you do?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke (k39e/) at July 01, 2021 02:13 PM (k39e/)

Embarrassing but true: My phone was on vibrate. I couldn't find it. I'd call it and (because cell coverage is iffy at my house) sometimes I'd hear a faint buzz and other times the call never made it. But I'd hear it in one room and start tearing it apart - no luck. Then I heard it in another room - again, no luck. I even heard it faintly while searching the basement.

Long story short - it was in my wallet pocket. I *never* put my phone in that pocket! And my wallet dampened the vibration enough that it took me more than an hour to find it.

So check all of your pockets first!

Posted by: 496 at July 01, 2021 02:16 PM (U1eOr)

242 "Anyone had this problem? What do you do?"

Retrace your footsteps for a couple days, tear your house and your car apart. Then find it next week at a place you know looked at a couple times before.

Posted by: lowandslow at July 01, 2021 02:16 PM (qH6FZ)

243 "Supreme Court Upholds Arizona Law to Insure the Integrity of the Vote"

So that means that when Arizona votes blue, every election from now until eternity, we'll have the consolation of knowing for sure the Dems won fair and square.

Posted by: gp's Lived Experience: Doesn't GAF Anymore at July 01, 2021 02:17 PM (qpX6U)

244 Fen, there's nothing to do other than find it. I would have someone walk around outside and check in the car while you call it. Just in case it's not dead and not in the house.

Posted by: ... at July 01, 2021 02:17 PM (xP1n4)

245 223 They will not stop cheating because of a little scotus ruling. That is what the gop does. Scotus say boo and they run away screaming. Dems will just rename ballotbharvesting something else tweak the process a little and continue doing it.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at July 01, 2021 02:12 PM (swGmf)

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+1 Critical Voting Theory, coming to a municipality near you!

Posted by: ShainS at July 01, 2021 02:17 PM (S2G4t)

246 Posted by: flounder at July 01, 2021 02:15 PM (KnJdm)

I don't recall the last place I had it so NSA Bob might be more helpful.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke (k39e/) at July 01, 2021 02:17 PM (k39e/)

247 iPhone has a find my phone feature.

Good luck and much sympathy.
Mine has an inclination to fall between the seat and the console of my vehicle.

The sofa?

Posted by: Braenyard, (dskw5) at July 01, 2021 02:17 PM (dskw5)

248 Got T-storms coming so better get out and clean gutter and get things under cover.

Posted by: Skip at July 01, 2021 02:17 PM (Cxk7w)

249 >>> OT -I have a stupid question and the internet is not terribly helpful. I have lost my cell phone. We tried calling it from another phone and there's no answer in my house. I think it's in my house, but that the power was so dead it just rang without being heard. Anyone had this problem? What do you do?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke (k39e/) at July 01, 2021 02:13 PM (k39e/)

Androids and iphones can be found using the internet if you have tracking turned on and the phones still have juice.

Posted by: banana Dream at July 01, 2021 02:17 PM (OV00c)

250 229 228 I have tinnitus. The ad on the front page suggesting I should pump a bottle of hand-sanitizer into my ear canal to stop it seems questionable.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 01, 2021 01:22 PM (pfqSb)

yeah, I had have it for 30 years. However , I can ignore anything, ANYTHING

My sis has it and it almost ended her medical practice

Posted by: REDACTED at July 01, 2021 02:18 PM (8o8kf)

251 2020 showed ya there is no such thing as a safe Republican win. DeSantis has to win by 10 in order to win by 2 after Dominion is done with the counts.
Posted by: Joe XiDen at July 01, 2021 02:15 PM (swGmf)

You may rely on it.

Posted by: Dominion Magic 8 Ball Voter Game at July 01, 2021 02:18 PM (kB2EL)

252 "
It means the DOJ case against Georgia is dead, the new Florida law, and the (soon to be) new Texas law, will stand.

Arizona will be enacting addition legislation soon, and PA just had a new law vetoed.

WI and MI are starting to make noises, and NH also passed a new law with minor changes.

The downside is that the new Nevada law will be hard to fight, but a legal challenge to the CA harvesting law is a possibility.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at July 01, 2021 01:29 PM (5p7BC)
"

Well said. It further means the Dunce in the White House who dribbled out something about all this being "racist", looks like a bigger fool than usual. If we had a functioning media, they would ask him about it. But they won't, they'll just lick his ice cream cone again.

Posted by: Marcus T, My Preferred Pronoun is at July 01, 2021 02:19 PM (VpIIl)

253 Posted by: ... at July 01, 2021 02:17 PM (xP1n4)

We tried that. If you purchase a new phone does it replace all your lost numbers?. I'm sorry; I'm very stupid about this and hate cell phones anyway. It probably knew that I hated it and disappeared.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke (k39e/) at July 01, 2021 02:19 PM (k39e/)

254 Distraction. I don't know why they hate Sinema so much, except she likes to buck the Dem trends. She's still a commie.
Posted by: soulpile at July 01, 2021 02:08 PM (hiX0r)

===================

Didn't she stand with Manchin and say the Filibuster stays?

Hell, McCain probably would have voted to scrap the Filibuster.

Posted by: rd at July 01, 2021 02:19 PM (Z32m1)

255 Oh yeah and I highly recommend Catch Caddy or a knockoff. The most useful 9.99 you will ever spend.

It's a long piece of plastic that sits between your seat and your console in the car. Catches whatever drops there. One of those things that has no use until it does and then it's awesome.

Posted by: ... at July 01, 2021 02:19 PM (xP1n4)

256 So check all of your pockets first!
Posted by: 496 at July 01, 2021 02:16 PM (U1eOr)
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Purse

Posted by: Braenyard, (dskw5) at July 01, 2021 02:19 PM (dskw5)

257 This blonde cutie remains cynical but is cautiously optimistic about election reform:
https://is.gd/Oi7FZA

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 01, 2021 02:20 PM (Jsjd7)

258 Maybe Fen can hire someone like Bob from the NSA to sweep for bugs in order to find her phone?

Posted by: ShainS at July 01, 2021 02:20 PM (S2G4t)

259 Fenelon, check your car. A couple of times I had so much stuff to bring in the apartment, I forgot the phone.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at July 01, 2021 02:20 PM (sd8p8)

260 @205

Remember how desperate they were to install Gillum as governor, so much so that he rescinded his concession and they tried doing an obvious steal in Broward, with the leopard-print lady?

Yeah, I think they lost Florida for a while, which is why they felt they had to go all in with GA and AZ

Posted by: artemis at July 01, 2021 02:20 PM (AwPyG)

261 Posted by: FenelonSpoke (k39e/) at July 01, 2021 02:19 PM (k39e/)

It will only replace your contacts if you store them in the cloud or have your phone with you to transfer them. Sorry.

Posted by: ... at July 01, 2021 02:20 PM (xP1n4)

262 "Again your opponents will not go "oh damn we are winning let's rest on our laurels" they will outlaw the places you live, destroy your earning potential, target you for scheduled starvation if need be, deny you electrical power, and if inspired allow megadeaths."
_____________________________________________

Exactly.

Posted by: rcocean at July 01, 2021 02:20 PM (evE25)

263 This blonde cutie remains cynical but is cautiously optimistic about election reform:
https://is.gd/Oi7FZA
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 01, 2021 02:20 PM (Jsjd7)

She's cute but she looks like she's saying "You really think you have a chance with me?"

Posted by: 496 at July 01, 2021 02:20 PM (U1eOr)

264 Hey, Dave in Fla, since you're here I have a question for you since you're way more up-to-date and involved in the elections chicanery. I know Garland came out and said he was going to find a way to interfere in the audits. What arrows are actually in his quiver?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 01, 2021 02:21 PM (Jsjd7)

265 So check all of your pockets first!
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Purse
**

Refrigerator.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Juneteenth, because we need to celebrate whites being badass at July 01, 2021 02:21 PM (e6I/s)

266 162 Sippy cup said the good part of the FL building collapse was that it lets the nation know we can cooperate and when it's really important.

Sippy. Cup.

Posted by: Archer at July 01, 2021 01:58 PM (gmo/4)

Somebody tell Joe that marvelous cooperation occurs all the time when disaster strikes, without the Feds doing a thing to start it. Plain old citizens getting their private boats in the water to rescue people from flooding, providing food, water, and shelter to hurricane refugees, helping build sandbag barriers to prevent flooding, and lots more.

Except in places where the local government pretty much prevents cooperation, by letting rioters and looters run wild, making it hazardous for good samaritans, especially white good samaritans.

Posted by: history will judge at July 01, 2021 02:21 PM (cXL49)

267 The best analysis of Smollett's hoax, ironically, came from a comedian.

Posted by: Juicy's subway shop at July 01, 2021 02:21 PM (aAP3z)

268 "Maybe Fen can hire someone like Bob from the NSA to sweep for bugs in order to find her phone?"

Thank goodness it's just a phone. At first I thought she was looking for a lost pet.

Posted by: gp's Lived Experience: Doesn't GAF Anymore at July 01, 2021 02:21 PM (qpX6U)

269 Remember when scotus told PA point blank they could not extend voting deadlines? And remember when PA said LOLGF and extended the deadlines? And remember how nothing happened and how scotus showed they have no way to enforce any of their rulings?

So yeah this is good news on its face but dont for a moment think Dems will be abiding by this ruling any time soon.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at July 01, 2021 02:21 PM (swGmf)

270 254 Distraction. I don't know why they hate Sinema so much, except she likes to buck the Dem trends. She's still a commie.
Posted by: soulpile at July 01, 2021 02:08 PM (hiX0r)

she's had cock a cock and a schmundie in her jowls

and she seems to prefer cock

Posted by: REDACTED at July 01, 2021 02:21 PM (8o8kf)

271 " individual states decide how to run elections within their borders."

I'm a little paranoid and gun shy maybe, but it seemed odd Roberts had the "within their borders" language, instead of just "states decide how to run elections". I guess it means, run their own elections and not make decisions for other states, but that seems obvious without the language. What I wondered is if it opened some door to question whether they can only decide for state elections, but not federal office elections.

(I didn't read the whole decision, and maybe it refers to language in the constitution or that specific amendment)

Posted by: illiniwek at July 01, 2021 02:21 PM (Cus5s)

272 OT -I have a stupid question and the internet is not terribly helpful. I have lost my cell phone. We tried calling it from another phone and there's no answer in my house. I think it's in my house, but that the power was so dead it just rang without being heard. Anyone had this problem? What do you do?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke (k39e/) at July 01, 2021 02:13 PM (k39e/)

Sooo...k39e/ isn't your password?

More seriously, I hope you find it. I just set mine down the other day and forgot it. Took several hours to find it.

Posted by: Diogenes at July 01, 2021 02:21 PM (axyOa)

273 Dominion is done with the counts.
Posted by: Joe XiDen
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We don't use Dominion in Florida.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at July 01, 2021 02:22 PM (5p7BC)

274 228 I have tinnitus. The ad on the front page suggesting I should pump a bottle of hand-sanitizer into my ear canal to stop it seems questionable.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 01, 2021 01:22 PM (pfqSb)

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Fish tank cleaner FTW!
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Listen harder!

Posted by: Puddin Head at July 01, 2021 02:22 PM (/MaDp)

275 they will outlaw the places you live, destroy your
earning potential, target you for scheduled starvation if need be, deny
you electrical power, and if inspired allow megadeaths."

_____________________________________________

Exactly.

Posted by: rcocean at July 01, 2021 02:20 PM (evE25)

There's a lot of missing steps in between not giving to GOPe or voting for traitor GOPers, nationally, and megadeaths.

Posted by: flounder at July 01, 2021 02:22 PM (KnJdm)

276 The Democrats aren't going to stop until they make Elections meaningless. They've already succeeded in Calf. They want to do it in the rest of the USA.

The problem is the GOP. They don't want to fight. They don't want to win. If we get a small victory here and there, they use it as an excuse to go back to doing nothing.

Posted by: rcocean at July 01, 2021 02:22 PM (evE25)

277 Dave in Fla has always been solid gold

Posted by: artemis at July 01, 2021 02:23 PM (AwPyG)

278 Justices Kagan, Sotomayor, and Breyer in the dissent,
........

lol
Have another empanada.

Posted by: wth at July 01, 2021 02:23 PM (v0R5T)

279
No BIPOC knows how to vote. None has or knows how to obtain an ID. None knows where to vote or when Election Day is. We must help them.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 01, 2021 02:23 PM (mht8P)

280 If the phone is actually dead and off, then you probably have to search for it the old-fashioned way: methodically, with your hands and eyes. Include places that make no sense like the refrigerator and the microwave and the cupboards and the laundry appliances.

If it's on but inaudible, you could try the "find my phone" feature if you have it enabled, but that is unlikely to be helpful because it uses GPS will very helpfully tell you that it's in your house somewhere.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 01, 2021 02:23 PM (Jsjd7)

281 Remember when scotus told PA point blank they could not extend voting deadlines? And remember when PA said LOLGF and extended the deadlines?

***

I'm still a tad unclear how people can say there weren't any fraudulent or illegal votes.

I mean, the SCOTUS literally stated that there were illegal activities occurring, and then poof, everything was somehow legal.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Juneteenth, because we need to celebrate whites being badass at July 01, 2021 02:23 PM (e6I/s)

282 "223 They will not stop cheating because of a little scotus ruling. That
is what the gop does. Scotus say boo and they run away screaming. Dems
will just rename ballotbharvesting something else tweak the process a
little and continue doing it.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at July 01, 2021 02:12 PM (swGmf)
"

Yes, thanks, as always, for the effervescent and uplifting view from China. This actually goes a long way in ensuring the new voters laws being put in place by the states, stand. Which is what we wanted after the last election. It helps to shrink the opportunities for fraud, and allows fraud that slips through to be discounted. It also created de facto standards whereby blue states can be sued if they are not in accordance with electoral fraud protections and processes which have been ruled as unconstitutional. It is also only the beginning and something we can build on.

Posted by: Marcus T, My Preferred Pronoun is at July 01, 2021 02:23 PM (VpIIl)

283 "There's a lot of missing steps in between not giving to GOPe or voting for traitor GOPers, nationally, and megadeaths."

Smart take.

Posted by: rcocean at July 01, 2021 02:23 PM (evE25)

284 This blonde cutie remains cynical but is cautiously optimistic about election reform:
https://is.gd/Oi7FZA
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 01, 2021 02:20 PM (Jsjd7)

She's cute but she looks like she's saying "You really think you have a chance with me?"
Posted by: 496 at July 01, 2021 02:20 PM (U1eOr)

Looks like the hottie driving a jeep wrangler I just saw at the store where I have been searching for ice.
Huge run on ice here in the South Sound area of Seattle Tacoma.
Friggin democrats.

Posted by: Diogenes at July 01, 2021 02:23 PM (axyOa)

285 ... Long story short - it was in my wallet pocket. I *never* put my phone in that pocket! And my wallet dampened the vibration enough that it took me more than an hour to find it. ...
Posted by: 496 at July 01, 2021 02:16 PM (U1eOr)
++++
This exact thing has happened to me. I'm not alone, I guess.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 01, 2021 02:23 PM (Jsjd7)

286 Dominion is done with the counts.
Posted by: Joe XiDen
We don't use Dominion in Florida.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at July 01, 2021 02:22 PM (5p7BC)

Reply hazy, try again.

Posted by: Dominion Magic 8 Ball Voter Game at July 01, 2021 02:24 PM (kB2EL)

287 11 4 No that helps our donors
Posted by: Da GOP at July 01, 2021 01:23 PM (ONvIw)
.......

Why on earth did I read that as "boners".

Posted by: wth at July 01, 2021 02:24 PM (v0R5T)

288 "Huge run on ice here in the South Sound area of Seattle Tacoma."

Everybody's out shopping for the holiday weekend. Long lines.

Posted by: gp's Lived Experience: Doesn't GAF Anymore at July 01, 2021 02:25 PM (qpX6U)

289 Why on earth did I read that as "boners".
Posted by: wth at July 01, 2021 02:24 PM (v0R5T)
++++
Donations give them a boner, so it works.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 01, 2021 02:25 PM (Jsjd7)

290 OK, now do voter ID.

As I said earlier this morning, while the ruling is correct here, the stipulation of so much idiotic baseless nonsense continues to render the judiciary pretty farcical.

There is no "burden" whatsoever on the voter. The eligible voter has the ability to have their vote counted, it is the voter's responsibility to vote. Traditional secured absentee ballots completely - completely - cover all conceivable meritorious claims about voting inconvenience or impracticality.

The "court" should have obliterated the concept of "burden" for voters, as a start. "Early voting" and "harvesting" are absurd on their face, indefensible, even more obviously so than opposition to a rigorous/constant culling of voter registration rolls.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at July 01, 2021 02:25 PM (OTzUX)

291 Kamala will be fine. And she will be the FFPOC.

You heard it here first.
Posted by: ... at July 01, 2021 02:14 PM (xP1n4)

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FFPOC? Full Facial Piece of Crap?

Posted by: ShainS at July 01, 2021 02:25 PM (S2G4t)

292 Huge run on ice here in the South Sound area of Seattle Tacoma.
Friggin democrats.
Posted by: Diogenes at July 01, 2021 02:23 PM (axyOa)

How in the world did Puget Sound run out of water? Someone get Milton Friedman on the line!

Posted by: 496 at July 01, 2021 02:25 PM (U1eOr)

293
Yeah, if you're battery is dead, you'll have to just look for it

If it isn't, you can ping it - Apples and Androids both have a way to track it by GPS over the web.

I left mine in a gas station bathroom once, and by the time I returned, it was gone. I did find it on the web interface... at some house in the deep, dark hood.

It was a cheapo phone, so I figured it was better to just buy a new one.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 01, 2021 02:25 PM (pfqSb)

294 The other thing you can do, I've actually had to do this, is go through your wifi records to see when something connected last. Had to do that to find out where my kid's tablet was. At home or if she snook it to summer camp. They should make a wifi app, maybe for a mesh system for triangulation, that would give you location info on your devices.

Posted by: banana Dream at July 01, 2021 02:25 PM (OV00c)

295 We are in Hell in only year 6 of the future is female.

@LindseyGrahamSC
100% certain that @MeghanMcCain
best days lie ahead as a conservative commentator and thought-leader among her generation.

Meghan is highly intelligent, feisty, patriotic and stands up for her causes.

I wonder where she got that from?

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at July 01, 2021 02:26 PM (870a5)

296 I used Dominion as a metaphor for shady Dem counting that happens everywhere in every election.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at July 01, 2021 02:26 PM (swGmf)

297 So check all of your pockets first!
----
Purse
**

Refrigerator.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Juneteenth, because we need to celebrate whites being badass at July 01, 2021 02:21 PM (e6I/s)

Trash can. Seriously, that's where Mom's friend found her phone last time she lost it. The time before that it was in a snow bank in front of the porch.

Posted by: Jordan61 at July 01, 2021 02:26 PM (Ez6QX)

298 fuck voter ID

we need voter IQ

Posted by: REDACTED at July 01, 2021 02:26 PM (8o8kf)

299 Huge run on ice here in the South Sound area of Seattle Tacoma.

Friggin democrats.

Posted by: Diogenes at July 01, 2021 02:23 PM (axyOa)

Donate today to ensure GOPe protects the free flow of ice!

Posted by: flounder at July 01, 2021 02:26 PM (KnJdm)

300 I have tinnitus. The ad on the front page suggesting
I should pump a bottle of hand-sanitizer into my ear canal to stop it
seems questionable.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 01, 2021 01:22 PM (pfqSb)

Whut?
If my ears quit ringing I would feel lonely.

Posted by: Javems at July 01, 2021 02:27 PM (8SSHh)

301 At the risk of drawing fire, Q referred to what's happening as "The Great Awakening". Because the only way to beat the bad guys is a massive and outraged uprising by we the people.

I think a lot of people are awake, now, and very suspicious of government, media, and big medical.

Posted by: artemis at July 01, 2021 02:27 PM (AwPyG)

302 "The other thing you can do, I've actually had to do this, is go through your wifi records to see when something connected last."

That's clever! Have you thought about a career with NSA?

Posted by: gp's Lived Experience: Doesn't GAF Anymore at July 01, 2021 02:27 PM (qpX6U)

303 "Again your opponents will not go "oh damn we are winning let's rest on our laurels" they will outlaw the places you live, destroy your earning potential, target you for scheduled starvation if need be, deny you electrical power, and if inspired allow megadeaths."

I don't see this as a bug anymore. The right bitches about how its leaders are unwilling to fight. But that makes them perfectly suited to the people they lead, who also don't fight. Almost everyone here is convinced a presidential election was stolen, but don't think that's fightworthy. Almost everyone here is convinced they will be destroyed if they are open about their true beliefs in public. But still no fight. So the temperature needs to get turned up until people are willing to fight. It's sad and all, but this country needs a whole lot more misery. It's gotta get much, much worse before it can get better. Some people think they can politics their way out of what this country has become. I think any solution is going to be a whole lot uglier than politics.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at July 01, 2021 02:28 PM (QU5/8)

304 Meghan is highly intelligent, feisty, patriotic and stands up for her causes.

I wonder where she got that from?

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at July 01, 2021 02:26 PM (870a5)

USA causes' mileage may vary.

Posted by: flounder at July 01, 2021 02:28 PM (KnJdm)

305 They should make a wifi app, maybe for a mesh system for triangulation, that would give you location info on your devices.
Posted by: banana Dream at July 01, 2021 02:25 PM (OV00c)
++++
That would be tricky, as most places only have one WiFi access point and even if you have more, endpoints don't typically connect to multiples except when negotiating handoff if your system supports that.

What you *could* do, though, would be to calibrate the device to the WiFi to determine signal strength as a function of distance from the access point. Then you can log in, see it connected at 30% strength, and infer a circle of x feet from the AP. That might work, and would be pretty easy to implement.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 01, 2021 02:28 PM (Jsjd7)

306 One law We desperately need is no ballots are counted until all ballots are in and there is a number of votes that will be counted up front. None of this we found 600 ballots in the basement 3 days after election days shit. If those 600 were found after the counting strayed, tough shit.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at July 01, 2021 02:28 PM (swGmf)

307 It's a sign of our failing republic that the highest court in the land needs to deicide blatantly obvious things like this.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 01, 2021 02:28 PM (UuD2k)

308 >>>"The other thing you can do, I've actually had to do this, is go through
your wifi records to see when something connected last."

Dang. That's next level lost.

Posted by: flounder at July 01, 2021 02:28 PM (KnJdm)

309 Ok joe, this I very simple. Read these two sentences and then walk out. Take no questions.

"Today's ruling shows that POC are not represented on the court. We must expand it to make the court more diverse."
Ok, I read these three sentences.
Two, Joe, two.
Ok, I read these two sentences and then take questions.
No, you don't take questions!
Got it. I read these sentences before I enter the room.
No, enter the room, read the two sentences, and then leave!
Ok, I enter the room, leave, and wait til I get back to the office to read the sentences.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at July 01, 2021 02:29 PM (kTF2Z)

310 This blonde cutie remains cynical but is cautiously optimistic about election reform:
https://is.gd/Oi7FZA
Google says you can't actually see her. Because she's gone commando.

Posted by: Some Googler at July 01, 2021 02:29 PM (DpkTQ)

311
Forgot to take my phone out of my pocket while mowing the yard and Her Majesty was out of town. While I was on the riding mower it fell out. Looking for something lost in an acre and a half when it's above 90 and I'm already whacked did not make me happy.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 01, 2021 02:29 PM (mht8P)

312 At the risk of drawing fire...

There is one here, in particular, always on duty to guard against that. I'll start the clock...

Posted by: t-bird at July 01, 2021 02:29 PM (dYmWY)

313 There's a lot of missing steps in between not giving to GOPe or voting for traitor GOPers, nationally, and megadeaths.
Posted by: flounder

And yet it only took 6 years to OMG PizzaGate is not real shut it down to ok maybe sex with children should be a god given right, bigot.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at July 01, 2021 02:29 PM (870a5)

314 FFPOC? Full Facial Piece of Crap?
Posted by: ShainS at July 01, 2021 02:25 PM (S2G4t

LOL

Full Facial P*nis of C**

Posted by: ... at July 01, 2021 02:29 PM (xP1n4)

315 I once lost my phone in the plastic "pocket" inside the car door--it fell in there and I felt like it disappeared into thin air.

Posted by: artemis at July 01, 2021 02:29 PM (AwPyG)

316 Posted by: gp's Lived Experience: Doesn't GAF Anymore at July 01, 2021 02:27 PM (qpX6U)

I keep reading this as "gp's Liver Experience" and I probably don't want to know

Posted by: 496 at July 01, 2021 02:29 PM (U1eOr)

317 Fen, maybe your phone got inspired by the Bible Gateway site and ran off on a mission trip.

I'm always putting it down someplace to grab something else and wondering what happened to it.

Posted by: pookysgirl, with howling cats at July 01, 2021 02:29 PM (XKZwp)

318 Lost Phone?

Ask someone else to look for it. They will find it where you know you looked for it two or three times yourself.

Wiseass kids are great at it.

Have you checked the refrigerator? (Don't ask)

Posted by: rd at July 01, 2021 02:30 PM (Z32m1)

319 Seeing the Trump CFO being forced into a walk of shame with handcuffs accused of a tax crime, after he surrendered himself this morning, is rage-inducing.

I keep using that phrase.

Posted by: squeakywheel at July 01, 2021 02:30 PM (H3YxZ)

320 That might work, and would be pretty easy to implement.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 01, 2021 02:28 PM (Jsjd7)

Yep. And given the multiple places within that radius that can be excluded (e.g., within walls), that could make for a quick find, for a charged device.

Posted by: flounder at July 01, 2021 02:30 PM (KnJdm)

321 306 One law We desperately need is no ballots are counted until all ballots are in and there is a number of votes that will be counted up front. None of this we found 600 ballots in the basement 3 days after election days shit. If those 600 were found after the counting strayed, tough shit.
Posted by: Joe XiDen at July 01, 2021 02:28 PM (swGmf)

==========

"Any precinct volunteer with vote totals that do not match the number of paper ballots will be fined $100 and jailed for 1 day for every vote difference. The precinct captain will be fined $100,000 and sentenced to 1 year in jail, ineligible to work elections at any point in the future, and will be stripped of all voting rights for no less than 20 years."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at July 01, 2021 02:31 PM (eZG8R)

322 fuck voter ID

we need voter IQ
Posted by: REDACTED at July 01, 2021 02:26 PM (8o8kf)

Instead we get Voter IT

Posted by: ... at July 01, 2021 02:31 PM (xP1n4)

323 308 >>>"The other thing you can do, I've actually had to do this, is go through
your wifi records to see when something connected last."

Dang. That's next level lost.
Posted by: flounder at July 01, 2021 02:28 PM (KnJdm)

=======

Ended up on the kitchen counter.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at July 01, 2021 02:31 PM (eZG8R)

324 fuck voter ID

we need voter IQ
Posted by: REDACTED at July 01, 2021 02:26 PM (8o8kf)
.........

if you can't gets da ID you failed dat IQ test

Posted by: wth at July 01, 2021 02:31 PM (v0R5T)

325 "gp's Liver Experience"

Sober since Feb 21 2010.

Posted by: gp's Liver Experience: Corroded at July 01, 2021 02:31 PM (qpX6U)

326 Posted by: Widespread Pepe at July 01, 2021 02:29 PM (870a5)

Yeah not commenting on timing. More about the level of pain that will have more people WTFing.

Posted by: flounder at July 01, 2021 02:32 PM (KnJdm)

327 SCOTUS set up a few tests today which are positive for affirming voter ID. The state has a prevailing interest in ensuring who you are, and therefore electoral integrity. If they provide ample opportunity for people, all people, to gain and possess ID used in voting processes there is no harm. They made it clear the voters has some responsibility, and must make some effort. Under those conditions there are not any racial or economic disparities. None.

Posted by: Marcus T, My Preferred Pronoun is at July 01, 2021 02:32 PM (VpIIl)

328 Old ways are best ways.

Paper ballots, at most, electro-mechanical tabulation. No electronics at any stage. One day for voting. Voter ID. Complete transparency at all stages (now something that can be taken to an extreme degree, via web video streaming). Culling of voter registration rolls.

That's it. That's all that's needed. Concept of "burden" on voters, for decades now, is ridiculous on its face, and should be excluded from the discussion. Many countries use exactly/mostly the formula above, and they have never have a hint of election integrity trouble. The US would never, never recognize elections the way they are run in many key US states today (have pointed this out a thousand times).

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at July 01, 2021 02:32 PM (OTzUX)

329 Sober since Feb 21 2010.
Posted by: gp's Liver Experience: Corroded at July 01, 2021 02:31 PM (qpX6U)

Serious props

Posted by: 496 at July 01, 2021 02:32 PM (U1eOr)

330 fuck voter ID

we need voter IQ

Nice one. That belongs out on the internet.

Posted by: t-bird at July 01, 2021 02:32 PM (Q0kyv)

331 Hey, Dave in Fla, since you're here I have a question for you since you're way more up-to-date and involved in the elections chicanery. I know Garland came out and said he was going to find a way to interfere in the audits. What arrows are actually in his quiver?
Posted by: Joe Mannix
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To my knowledge not many. I think he would have to open a lawsuit using VRA as a basis, ala Georgia. Which is hard since AZ was not involved in the original VRA.

AZ on the other hand has the legal right to imprison any fed that touches ballots.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at July 01, 2021 02:32 PM (5p7BC)

332 193 Maybe the SCOTUS has realized that ducking issues has only gotten them contempt and derision from BOTH sides, and they are fast losing any legitimacy. The Democrat pack the court moves may have finally gotten through to Chief Justice Blows in the Wind.
Posted by: rd at July 01, 2021 02:04 PM (Z32m1)

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Or he's doing it intentionally to give them cover when they pack the court and give him more opportunities to "pretend" to be Conservative once the liberal decision is a foregone conclusion.

Posted by: reason at July 01, 2021 02:06 PM (q/kmn)

I believe Roberts ducked making decisions on highly contentious topics in order to let public opinion and politics eventually resolve those issues (ObamaCare - it's legal 'cause it's a tax!). Maybe he finally noticed that politics as he wants it to work is not working in this country. A namby-pamby or no SCOTUS decision simply makes one or both sides do more name-calling and gear-up for more battles in the Federal courts, instead of working to get compromise on new or revised laws.

Posted by: history will judge at July 01, 2021 02:32 PM (cXL49)

333 I've lost my glasses, keys and cell several times. It is usually because I set one of those things down on something I almost never use. Washing machine or dryer, an end table in the corner, the bathroom sink, etc. Once I found my glasses on the tonneau cover for my truck.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 01, 2021 02:33 PM (3H9h1)

334 Ended up on the kitchen counter.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison
The worst kind of lost. This is why a second pair of eyes always helps.

Posted by: flounder at July 01, 2021 02:33 PM (KnJdm)

335 After having COVID last year, for whatever reason, I would lose phone and keys on a regular basis. My daughter purchased the Tile tracker thingie. It worked. Doesn't help Fenelon in the here and now, though.

Posted by: Usedtocould at July 01, 2021 02:33 PM (LRa30)

336 I never lose anything unless some jerk moves my shit.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 01, 2021 02:33 PM (UuD2k)

337 To my knowledge not many. I think he would have to open a lawsuit using VRA as a basis, ala Georgia. Which is hard since AZ was not involved in the original VRA.

AZ on the other hand has the legal right to imprison any fed that touches ballots.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at July 01, 2021 02:32 PM (5p7BC)
++++
How would the VRA actually apply? The election is over, and checking the results cannot possibly disenfranchise anyone or have a disparate effect along racial lines. What are the mental gymnastics they're going through there to justify it?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 01, 2021 02:34 PM (Jsjd7)

338 Walmart here was completely out of ice and fans on Sunday.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at July 01, 2021 02:34 PM (5HBd1)

339 I invented the Tile Tracker Triangle about 20 years ago. I get a lot of ideas.

Posted by: ... at July 01, 2021 02:34 PM (xP1n4)

340 If we all call Fen's phone, it will ring, and she can locate it.

867-5302

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 01, 2021 02:34 PM (DMUuz)

341 If we all call Fen's phone, it will ring, and she can locate it.

867-5302
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 01, 2021 02:34 PM (DMUuz)
++++
Dude, way to dox her! Now we all know her real name is "Jenny!"

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 01, 2021 02:35 PM (Jsjd7)

342 We are in Hell in only year 6 of the future is female.
@LindseyGrahamSC
100% certain that @MeghanMcCain
best days lie ahead as a conservative commentator and thought-leader among her generation.
Meghan is highly intelligent, feisty, patriotic and stands up for her causes.
I wonder where she got that from?
Posted by: Widespread Pepe at July 01, 2021 02:26 PM (870a5)

Re: The Lindsey Graham comment...
Can someone be a "thought leader" if they don't think?
Anyway, anyone who uses the term "thought leader" needs to be beaten within an inch of their life.

Posted by: Robert at July 01, 2021 02:35 PM (USesM)

343 At least you didn't lose your car keys.

Posted by: The FBI at July 01, 2021 02:35 PM (v0R5T)

344 Oh wait, that's not Jenny's number at all! Damn!

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 01, 2021 02:35 PM (Jsjd7)

345 Fen, borrow the time machine from Ace, go back in time to when you had it, and put it some place where you'll remember it. Easy!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at July 01, 2021 02:35 PM (kTF2Z)

346 867-5309

Posted by: history will judge at July 01, 2021 02:36 PM (cXL49)

347 The contention, or implication, that obtaining photo ID - necessary to modern life for all but the invalid and those under others' care - is *any* sort of factor to be considered is absurd on its face.

That "conservative" judges (stupid term) don't instantly, and vituperatively, make this point, and exclude the entire subject, is of course to be expected, as mediocre elements of a farcical "judiciary" that is 1,000 times more influential than it should be, across the board.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at July 01, 2021 02:36 PM (OTzUX)

348 Ricky don't lose that number.

Posted by: lowandslow at July 01, 2021 02:36 PM (qH6FZ)

349 Anyway, anyone who uses the term "thought leader" needs to be beaten within an inch of their life.
Posted by: Robert at July 01, 2021 02:35 PM (USesM)
++++
Heh. I once had a meeting with my boss and she was talking about some new things she wanted me to work on. She said that it was important that "thought leaders like you" get involved in X, Y and Z.

I said, "I am happy to do all that, but I have one condition. Please do not ever call me a 'thought leader' again."

She laughed. I did the work.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 01, 2021 02:37 PM (Jsjd7)

350 If we all call Fen's phone, it will ring, and she can locate it.

867-5302
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 01, 2021 02:34 PM (DMUuz)

you have dialed a number that has been disconnected

Posted by: 867-5309 at July 01, 2021 02:37 PM (v0R5T)

351 California is so far gone that, not only is ballot harvesting a legal law, last election they did away with precinct voting, so that anyone can vote anywhere.

So obvious that it's all to disenfranchise voters, but the DOJ is no where to be found.

Posted by: artemis at July 01, 2021 02:37 PM (AwPyG)

352 That should be 867-5309, and she's Fenny, not Jenny.

Posted by: t-bird at July 01, 2021 02:37 PM (oBAbT)

353 nood.

Posted by: flounder at July 01, 2021 02:38 PM (KnJdm)

354 Fenny, Fenny, who can I turn to?

Posted by: 867-5309 at July 01, 2021 02:38 PM (v0R5T)

355 That should be 867-5309, and she's Fenny, not Jenny.

Trying to think of how that song would have sounded with the guy calling a pastor.

Posted by: Blanco Basura -(SchxB)- moronhorde.com. Not insurgents, counterrevolutionaries. at July 01, 2021 02:39 PM (SchxB)

356 339 I invented the Tile Tracker Triangle about 20 years ago. I get a lot of ideas.
Posted by: ... at July 01, 2021 02:34 PM (xP1n4)

in 1968 I had a Schwinn Paramount and I took the rear handle bar from a twin Paramount and put it on my bike

you think I got any credit for that

NFW

Posted by: REDACTED at July 01, 2021 02:39 PM (8o8kf)

357 Don't do the hand sanitizer for tinnitus. Everyone knows kerosene or lacquer thinner is vastly superior. It's been proved!

Posted by: Doctor Bellows at July 01, 2021 02:43 PM (JPtHE)

358 How would the VRA actually apply? The election is over, and checking the results cannot possibly disenfranchise anyone or have a disparate effect along racial lines. What are the mental gymnastics they're going through there to justify it?
Posted by: Joe Mannix
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Damned if I know, I agree it is a huge stretch. But Garland started that argument with AZ spouting off about disenfranchising voters, which is VRA language.

I think all of these things are distractions and tactical. They know they can't win in the courts, but they are hoping to get an injunction that interferes with 2022.

I notice they made threats in AZ, but didn't bring a suit. They brought a suit in GA though.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at July 01, 2021 02:44 PM (5p7BC)

359 Is this the first major case where literally anything justified by "disparate impact" on minorities has been successfully banned? I mean, I think that's why the Democrats have latched on to all this white supremacy/CRT crap. It's been an absolute silver bullet. The ultimate trump card that wins every single time. Until now?

Posted by: Mad Max in VA at July 01, 2021 02:52 PM (pT2Ef)

360 306 One law We desperately need is no ballots are counted until all ballots are in and there is a number of votes that will be counted up front.
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And no national election called until all the votes are in on the West coast.

Posted by: Braenyard, (dskw5) at July 01, 2021 02:58 PM (dskw5)

361 Once I found my glasses on the tonneau cover for my truck.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 01, 2021 02:33 PM (3H9h1)
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A friend drove home from the community center with a lady's phone on the hood of his car.

Posted by: Braenyard, (dskw5) at July 01, 2021 03:02 PM (dskw5)

362 Go ahead and leave, it's OK, that's fine.

Posted by: Braenyard, (dskw5) at July 01, 2021 03:03 PM (dskw5)

363 "The disparate-impact model employed in Title VII and Fair Housing Act cases is not useful here"

That's rather disheartening. Apparently 'disparate impact' is an acceptable model in federal regulations, just not here.

Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at July 01, 2021 03:22 PM (K58O6)

364 It's gotta get much, much worse before it can get better.
Some people think they can politics their way out of what this country
has become. I think any solution is going to be a whole lot uglier than
politics. Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at July 01, 2021 02:28 PM (QU5/8
Bear, I agree with the premise that things still have to get worse, but not the conclusion I think you're implying. Back in the Burning Times days, I used to opine that when things get bad for Average Joe, they get really, really bad in the inner cities. The result isn't a big bad civil war, because before it gets to that point, the cities will be worse than last summer. The complete breakdown, to the extent that it happens, will result in gangs and militias controlling turf in our major cities like Beirut or Belfast. There will be some states (let's call them red) that will get it together, and there are other states (call them blue) that will not get it together. People and businesses will migrate from blue to red. This takes decades, but at the end we have a stronger federal system with a smaller central government.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at July 01, 2021 03:22 PM (65Yqk)

365 Some people think........ any proof?

Posted by: Proud Moderate at July 01, 2021 03:23 PM (C9XT4)

366 'Who and where? You'll need to be more specific, because unfortunately fake Republicans and RINOs are becoming more and more common across the state.'

I believe it was the district that Will Hurd abandoned. Mr. Hurd is a black former FBI/CIA (? one or the other) who won a traditionally hispanic seat somewhere around or south of San Antonio. I know he had the largest gop held seat along the Texas border. He almost always sided with the dems.

With his seat open the fake republican was actually a dem hispanic that was counting on his name to get elected.

Posted by: DanMan at July 01, 2021 03:29 PM (RusNE)

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