Sunday Morning Book Thread 07-04-2021

Vatican Apostolic Library, Vatican City

Good morning to all you 'rons, 'ettes, lurkers, and lurkettes, wine moms, frat bros, crétins sans pantalon (who are technically breaking the rules). Welcome once again to the stately, prestigious, internationally acclaimed and high-class Sunday Morning Book Thread, a weekly compendium of reviews, observations, snark, witty repartee, hilarious bon mots, and a continuing conversation on books, reading, spending way too much money on books, writing books, and publishing books by escaped oafs and oafettes who follow words with their fingers and whose lips move as they read. Unlike other AoSHQ comment threads, the Sunday Morning Book Thread is so hoity-toity, pants are required. Even if it's these pants, and I'd totally take this little shaver to a barbecue at Gwen Berry's house just to see her lose her sh*.

Pic Note:

The Vatican Library has been around for awhile:

The Vatican Apostolic Library, better known simply as “VAT,” was officially established in 1475, although it is actually much older. Historians explain the Vatican Apostolic Library finds its origins in the earliest days of Christianity itself. In fact, some manuscripts from the first centuries of Christianity are (naturally) here preserved...

Nowadays, the Vatican Library treasures around 75000 codices, 85000 incunabula (i.e., editions made between the invention of the printing press and the 16th century), for a grand total of more than a million books.

The good news is that VAT is getting a digital facelift:

It was back in 2018 when Archbishop Jean-Louis Bruguès, then Prefect of the Vatican Library, announced the opening of the DigiVatLib, a shortening of digital Vatican Library. The Archbishop explained that around 2013 the Vatican Library began a vast undertaking to digitize the manuscripts belonging to its catalogue. Since then, the fruits of their labors can be enjoyed by anyone with internet access, at no charge.

You can search the library and download its archives just by clicking here.

Once the painstaking and minute process of scanning all the individual pages of each manuscript is complete, the work is compiled and uploaded to the DigiVatLib website. If the project is able to upload 3000 pieces per year, 80000 manuscripts should be fully scanned by 2041.

These things take time.

It Pays To Increase Your Word Power®

For a long time I have been looking for a word that would adequately describe this weird sense of unreality I have been feeling for the past several years. Like I am now living in clown world and everything I'm seeing, particularly from Washington DC, is being staged. The problem is, there's no way I can pelt the performers with rotting vegetables and eggs, like I could do at a bad play if I lived in the old days.

The Death of General Warren at the Battle of Bunker's Hill, June 17, 1775 by John Trumbull

Independence

Ned Ryun is a conservative activist and author whose columns are posted on the American Greatness. And, according to his web page, Ned

...is the founder and CEO of American Majority, a non-partisan political training institute whose mission is to identify and mold the next wave of liberty-minded candidates, grassroots activists and community leaders...

Prior to launching American Majority, Ryun founded and directed Generation Joshua, a civics education program for middle and high school students that reached a membership of nearly 10,000.

So it's nice to know he's actually done stuff and not just suck up the grift. As an author, he's written a couple of books that are appropriate for today, meaning, Independence Day.

His first book is Restoring Our Republic: The Making of the Republic and How We Reclaim It Before It's Too Late. From the blurb, Ryan appears to know his Civics. The book

...examines the genesis for the ideas which inspired our constitutional republic, from the ancient Hebrews, Greeks and Romans to the English and their common law. Ryun also discusses the machinery of the republic built by the Founders meant to protect the rights of the American people and how that machinery has been dismantled by Progressives.

He traces the history of our country's founding and how the Founding Fathers studied the course of human history in crafting a form of government that would constrain the powers of the government and protect our God-given rights. Ned Ryun covers everything from the Birth of American Society, Rights Enumerated, to the necessary Civil Involvement to restore our great country. This book gave me a much greater appreciation for what we as Americans have been given. In the face of aggressive socialism, we must respond by returning to the values and principles our country was founded upon.

The Kindle edition of his book is $9.99.

Mr. Ryun has published his second book, a novel, a couple of weeks ago. The Adversaries: A Story of Boston and Bunker Hill. Ryun says it's about "principled defiance in the face of overpowering & arbitrary authoritarianism, which makes it a story for all time",

...a compelling reminder of what occurs when leaders abandon eternal principles and the rule of law for avarice and power, and a free people tells its government it will not allow its freedoms to be abused any longer. The Adversaries is the story of Dr. Joseph Warren and his American comrades who with inspiring courage and heartbreaking sacrifice spark the greatest endeavor in human history: the founding of the free American Republic.

I had forgotten who Dr. Warren was and his role in the Revolutionary War, so I betook myself to his wiki page:

Joseph Warren (June 11, 1741 – June 17, 1775) was an American physician who played a leading role in Patriot organizations in Boston during the early days of the American Revolution, eventually serving as President of the revolutionary Massachusetts Provincial Congress...Warren participated in the Battles of Lexington and Concord the following day, which are commonly considered to be the opening engagements of the American Revolutionary War.

Warren had been commissioned a major general in the colony's militia shortly before the June 17, 1775 Battle of Bunker Hill. Rather than exercising his rank, Warren chose to serve in the battle as a private soldier, and was killed in combat when British troops stormed the redoubt atop Breed's Hill. His death, immortalized in John Trumbull's painting, The Death of General Warren at the Battle of Bunker's Hill, June 17, 1775, galvanized the rebel forces. He has been memorialized in the naming of many towns, counties, streets, and other locations in the United States, by statues, and in numerous other ways.

You have to admire these men who were willing to fight and die for what they believed in.

Who Dis:

(Last week's 'who dis' was Clark Gable and Marion Davies hiding out in a library in a publicity still from their 1936 movie Cain and Mabel.

It's About Time

I have been hoping for a long time that someone would do a film adaptation of Isaac Asimov's Foundation series. And now it looks like I'm going to get my wish:

I read the books back when I was a teenager. We're talking ( *counts on fingers* ) 50 years ago, more or less. I guess Dr. A. came back a number of years later and wrote some more Foundation novels, but I haven't read those, just the original trilogy.

Is this adaptation going to be any good? The trailer certainly looks impressive, but who knows? It is being advertised as an "Apple Original" series. For what this is worth, Mrs. Muse and I are watching another Apple Original series, The Mosquito Coast, and we think it's quite good. So perhaps that's a good sign.

We'll just have to wait until the last week in September to find out for sure.

Moron Recommendations

Q: What did one progressive say to the other as they stood in the freezing snow in a Joe Biden holiday camp in Montana?

A: "Hey, remember when we used to laugh at the John Birchers?"

I am currently reading Blacklisted by History: The Untold Story of Senator Joe McCarthy and His Fight Against America's Enemies.

The short version of this 663 page doorstop is: McCarthy was right. The FDR and Truman administrations were infested with Reds. McCarthy may well have underestimated the problem. Eleanor was sleeping with the communist Joe Lash and wheelchair-bound cuck Franklin was at least commie-curious. The mainstream media, led by the New York Times, were shameless communist propagandists, as bad as Pravda, Izvestia or TASS. They led the attacks on McCarthy to try to keep him from exposing the extent of the infiltration. The State Department was riddled with communists, but so were many other Federal agencies. The OSS, predecessor to the CIA, may have been even worse.

Posted by: cool breeze at April 11, 2021 09:45 AM (UGKMd)

The Amazon blurb for Blacklisted by History: The Untold Story of Senator Joe McCarthy and His Fight Against America's Enemies is too long to reproduce here, so I'll cut to the chase: everything you know about Senator Joe McCarthy is wrong. Or, at least, everything you've been told about him is wrong. Or, even more pithily: McCarthy was right.

Evans’s revelations completely overturn our understanding of McCarthy, McCarthyism, and the Cold War. Drawing on primary sources—including never-before-published government records and FBI files, as well as recent research gleaned from Soviet archives and intercepted transmissions between Moscow spymasters and their agents in the United States—Evans presents irrefutable evidence of a relentless Communist drive to penetrate our government, influence its policies, and steal its secrets. Most shocking of all, he shows that U.S. officials supposedly guarding against this danger not only let it happen but actively covered up the penetration. All of this was precisely as Joe McCarthy contended.

Just like today, when pretty much everybody in politics turns out to be either a pervert or sex pest, back then, everybody was either an outright commie spy, lending the commies a helping hand, or cheering them on.

If you really want to get depressed, read the Evans book back-to-back with Diana West's book American Betrayal, which paints an even more dismal picture, if that is possible, of the commie rot in the federal government.

And it never stops. West's latest book, The Red Thread: A Search for Ideological Drivers Inside the Anti-Trump Conspiracy, a book which is

The first investigation into why a ring of senior Washington officials went rogue to derail the election and the presidency of Donald Trump. There was nothing normal about the 2016 presidential election, not when senior U.S. officials were turning the surveillance powers of the federal government—designed to stop terrorist attacks—against the Republican presidential team. These were the ruthless tactics of a Soviet-style police state, not a democratic republic. The Red Thread asks the simple question: Why? What is it that motivated these anti-Trump conspirators from inside and around the Obama administration and Clinton networks to depart so drastically from “politics as usual” to participate in a seditious effort to overturn an election?

Profiled: James Comey, Christopher Steele, Nellie Ohr, the rest of the Fusion GPS team; John Brennan, numerous Clintonistas and Obamistas. Verdict: Multi-generational, inter-connecting commie scum, every last one of them. The "Red Thread" is indeed very long.

The Kindle edition, by the way, is only $3.99.

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Books By Morons

Bob Zimmerman, the blogger/author whom J.J. Sefton utilizes daily as his "intrepid science reporter" (also links daily to his latest installment of "Today's blacklisted American") in his Morning Report has written a new ebook on a very au courant topic, slavery.

Bob tells me:

I am sure Ace readers will find it illuminating. It definitely puts the lie to the NY Times 1619 Project.

The book is Conscious Choice: The origins of slavery in America and why it matters today and for our future in outer space. Space travel is Bob's specialty, so his history looks to the future as well as the past:

The human race is about to go to the stars. Big rockets are being built, and nations and private citizens worldwide are planning the first permanent settlements in space.

When we get there, will we know what to do to make those first colonies just and prosperous places for all humans?

Conscious Choice answers this question, by telling a riveting and accurate history of the first century of British settlement in North America. That was when those settlers were building their own new colonies, and had to decide whether to include slaves from Africa.

In New England slavery was vigorously rejected. The Puritans wanted nothing to do with this institution, desiring instead to form a society of free religious families, a society that became the foundation of the United States of American, dedicated to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness.

In Virginia however slavery was gladly embraced, resulting in a corrupt social order built on power, rule, and oppression.

Why the New England citizens were able to reject slavery, and Virginians were not, is the story that Conscious Choice tells, a story with direct implications for all human societies, whether they are here on Earth or on the farflung planets across the universe.

Available everywhere for $3.99 at Amazon, Barnes & Noble, and all ebook vendors. Or, if you do not want to give your money to the high-tech big box stores, you can can purchase it directly from Bob's ebook publisher here.

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Lurkette author Kerrie Noor has just published the 2nd of 3 scheduled prequels to her Planet Hy Man comedy science fiction series. This one is entitled The Downfall Of Manifesto The Great: A Sci Fi Comedy Where Women Are The Riot Act

Manifesto The Great rules Planet Hy Man. A Planet where animals are scarce and meat is as toxic as nuclear waste.

Faced with an uprising, an army of malfunctioning Mae West robots, and a committee as innovative as a sock puppet Manifesto The Great turns to the only person he can trust----his mother; but she has days to live.

As his city falls under the hands of Fanny and her rebels, the grieving leader retreats to his cocktail bar.

Will he rise to command again or has he buried his balls along with his mother?

If you like high-mileage heroines, fast-paced satire, and meticulously crafted universes, then Kerrie's otherworldly farces are for you.

Plus, the the Kindle edition is only 99 cents.

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So that's all for this week. As always, book thread tips, suggestions, bribes, insults, threats, ugly pants pics and moron library submissions may be sent to OregonMuse, Proprietor, AoSHQ Book Thread, at the book thread e-mail address: aoshqbookthread, followed by the 'at' sign, and then 'G' mail, and then dot cee oh emm.

What have you all been reading this week? Hopefully something good, because, as you all know, life is too short to be reading lousy books.

Posted by: OregonMuse at 09:00 AM

Comments

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1 hiya

Posted by: JT at July 04, 2021 08:01 AM (arJlL)

2 Jim Morrison

Posted by: CN at July 04, 2021 08:01 AM (ONvIw)

3 test for ban status

Posted by: creeper at July 04, 2021 08:02 AM (XxJt1)

4 On the 3rd book of re-read of the Elemental Master series.

Posted by: Vic at July 04, 2021 08:02 AM (mpXpK)

5 Tolle Lege
Stopped by the used book store last week and found #5 on my favorite war movies list
Black Hawk Down by Mark Bowden
Seems the movie so far did a great job following the book

Posted by: Skip at July 04, 2021 08:03 AM (Cxk7w)

6 Love the library.

Speaking of the Vatican, after I finish my Finney books, I'm going with Windswept House, per Horde suggestions.

Last evening I started Time and Again, and I'm enjoying it.

Posted by: CN at July 04, 2021 08:04 AM (ONvIw)

7 From the good book;

"Blessed is the nation whose Lord is God, the people he chose for his inheritance. "

Psalm 33:12

Posted by: Marcus T at July 04, 2021 08:04 AM (a1CRn)

8 Good morning Book People! Happy Independence Day!

And thank you, Ace and COBs, for this site.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at July 04, 2021 08:04 AM (Dc2NZ)

9 Kayfabe is an excellent term for what we are seeing going on in Washington right now. WE know it's all fake. THEY know it's all fake. However, there is a large contingent of LIVs that still buy into it. They're the marks.

Posted by: Lord Squirrel at July 04, 2021 08:05 AM (K5n5d)

10 Good morning fellow Book Threadists. I hope everyone had a great week of reading. And happy 4th of July!

Posted by: JTB at July 04, 2021 08:06 AM (7EjX1)

11 What is the derivation of the word "Kayfabe", you ask? Possibly pig-Latin for "fake".

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at July 04, 2021 08:06 AM (Dc2NZ)

12 IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE IT'S JIM MORRISON AND HE'S READING ABOUT DEATH AND HE DIED AT 27.

Posted by: BEN ROETHLISBERGER at July 04, 2021 08:07 AM (d9FiS)

13 Love that 'these pants' example. What a patriotic cutie!

Posted by: JTB at July 04, 2021 08:07 AM (7EjX1)

14 Kayfabe. Washington and wrestling have been fake for many years.

Posted by: CN at July 04, 2021 08:07 AM (ONvIw)

15 Thanks to OM for mentioning Us Against Them, the sequel to Bearstown, by Fredrick Backman. The book begins about two months after the conclusion of Bearstown, a small town in Sweden situated on a lake and surrounded by forest. The story is about the rebuilding of the town's hockey team. I like how Backman weaves in insights into his characters and captures small-town life. In the end a fortunate few will escape Bearstown. Some will leave and go on to promising careers; others only escape by death.

Posted by: Zoltan at July 04, 2021 08:09 AM (kiyX4)

16 This week's reading selection is Tanith Lee's "The Secret Book of Paradys." It's a gothic version of Paris, with demons stalking the streets and the inhabitants suffering from madness and delusions. It's also strangely appropriate for Canadian PRIDE season because several of the characters are quite gender-fluid. In some cases they literally transition from male to female and vice-versa. In other instances, it's a cosmetic transition with strategic use of makeup and padding. But there is little to admire in her characters (other than they are excellently written). Their circumstances are often tragic and the characters engage in very morally questionable activities. Great stuff.

Posted by: Lord Squirrel at July 04, 2021 08:09 AM (K5n5d)

17 Working link to the Ned Ryun

https://tinyurl.com/m8ebpdac

Posted by: rhennigantx at July 04, 2021 08:09 AM (yrol0)

18 Dirty Hari

Posted by: Dr. Varno at July 04, 2021 08:09 AM (vuisn)

19 Eleanor was sleeping with the communist Joe Lash

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I guess he took one for the team.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at July 04, 2021 08:09 AM (d9FiS)

20 lotta great stuff up there, OM !
kayfabe, yup, 'zackly.

& yeah, McCarthy had no clue ...

I think it was here someone mentioned "Neither Five Nor Three" by Helen McInnes ... a book about that infiltration process from a 50-years-ago perspective.

ay carrumba !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (wHoql) at July 04, 2021 08:10 AM (wHoql)

21 People are gathering in Paris for 50th anniversary of Jim Morrisons death, He's not in that grave, he's partying with Elvis and the aliens today

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at July 04, 2021 08:10 AM (O7b05)

22 I'm still wending my way through the Hoyt/Cassie Dewell series. Once I'm done I'll move on to Andy Weir's newest, "Project Hail Mary".

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at July 04, 2021 08:10 AM (Dc2NZ)

23 I'd put my grandson, Wee Jamie, into that outfit!
I've taken a break from the Outlander Saga, and gone back to reading Sharon McCrumb's Elizabeth McPherson's mystery series. They're thinner and easier to hold up with one hand, while I hold Wee Jamie's current bottle with the other.
Multitasking - where it's at!

Posted by: Sgt. Mom at July 04, 2021 08:10 AM (xnmPy)

24 Nice Lieberry!

Those pants......what ya gonna do.

The Who Dis is Jim Morrison in a rare sober moment with his pants on.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 04, 2021 08:11 AM (R/m4+)

25 I have to check out that Vatican scanning project to see if they have any of the illuminated manuscripts done. The artistry and craft behind those is awe inspiring.

Thanks for bringing the project to our attention, OM.

Posted by: JTB at July 04, 2021 08:12 AM (7EjX1)

26 I have kind of a bad attitude about most of my friends, relatives and acquaintances who will suffer under the American Communists. "You asked for it.", or "Ya happy now?". Due to their "Trump says mean things.", or "I just don't know who to vote for." , or "I just don't want to sully my pure hands with dirty politics, so I'm just not going to vote at all." attitudes. They will reap what they have sown. But I'm mad that my family will suffer also. Probably before them because I can see most of them reporting us because of our wrong think. They'll get theirs. But I probably won't be around to enjoy it. Lord, forgive me for my unforgiveness.

Posted by: katya the designated driver at July 04, 2021 08:12 AM (TqblR)

27 Ok, I get a 'kayfabe' now. But then, what is a jamoke? (Non Bensonhurst meaning)

Posted by: Tonypete at July 04, 2021 08:13 AM (HhcV+)

28 I guess he took one for the team.

The ultimate sacrifice.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at July 04, 2021 08:13 AM (W4eKo)

29 Hot Coffee...Superego .. Frank Fleming

Posted by: Qmark at July 04, 2021 08:14 AM (emnp2)

30 From the Zimmerman Book:

So, to the future settlers of worlds beyond, I say:

Build your future civilizations with families, aimed at raising children. Provide your citizens the right to private property while favoring at the beginning relatively small holdings. Encourage individual responsibility, liberty of conscience, and freedom. And above all, infuse your colonies with moral commitment, the insistence that truth, justice, and the protection of individual human rights are essential components of any new social order.

The Moon is a Harsh Bitch I think speaks directly to this. Moonies were second (or third) class citizens with Earth demanding the fruits of their labors while the Moon operated on TNSTAAFL.

Posted by: rhennigantx at July 04, 2021 08:14 AM (yrol0)

31 1 hiya
Posted by: JT at July 04, 2021 08:01 AM

Congrats, JT!!

Posted by: Moonbeam at July 04, 2021 08:14 AM (qe5CM)

32 the VAT started in 1475, not wonder it is so high.

Posted by: Quint at July 04, 2021 08:14 AM (F2/Ok)

33 That Foundation trailer looks good. Better than the previous one.

I still expect them to screw it up somehow, but I'll hold off judgement until it actually arrives.

Posted by: Pixy Misa at July 04, 2021 08:14 AM (MqQvv)

34 She was reputed acdc

Posted by: Alien covenant was worse at July 04, 2021 08:14 AM (hMlTh)

35 21 People are gathering in Paris for 50th anniversary of Jim Morrisons death, He's not in that grave, he's partying with Elvis and the aliens today
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at July 04, 2021 08:10 AM (O7b05)
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Like that party scene from "Death Becomes Her".

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at July 04, 2021 08:15 AM (Dc2NZ)

36 Bob Zimmerman - that guy always wrote great lyrics, but damn, he should have stuck to writing for people who could actually sing.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 04, 2021 08:15 AM (rfYv5)

37 Congrats, JT!!
Posted by: Moonbeam

Thank you !

Happy and Safe Fourth !

Posted by: JT at July 04, 2021 08:15 AM (arJlL)

38 Looks like Morrison to me. I hear his grave is all that, or was in Pere Lachaise. He kind of looks like Val Kilmer.

Posted by: Quint at July 04, 2021 08:15 AM (F2/Ok)

39 For a long time I have been looking for a word that would adequately describe this weird sense of unreality I have been feeling for the past several years. Like I am now living in clown world and everything I'm seeing, particularly from Washington DC, is being staged. The problem is, there's no way I can pelt the performers with rotting vegetables and eggs, like I could do at a bad play if I lived in the old days.

I first came across the word "kayfabe" at Ann Barnhardt's place, where she routinely used it as a derogatory term against President Trump. I haven't visited her site in a while, so whether she still thinks he was a fake, I don't know.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 04, 2021 08:16 AM (2JVJo)

40 Good Sunday morning, horde!

Lots of good suggestions up there, I hardly know where to start. "Restoring Our Republic" looks like a good one to purchase in dead tree form. I like to have books that will be important for later generations to read after the collapse.

Posted by: April OX9vb at July 04, 2021 08:16 AM (OX9vb)

41 From the Book:

John 8:36 "So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed."

I take courage in this: I honor the flag; I stand under the banner of the Lord.

Posted by: grammie winger at July 04, 2021 08:17 AM (45fpk)

42 And I'm pretty sure Who Dis is the most overrated "rock star" of all time.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 04, 2021 08:18 AM (2JVJo)

43 Scott Adams is wrong. There is such a book. It is the Bible.

Posted by: vivi at July 04, 2021 08:18 AM (USW1s)

44 I read a book by Mike Durant, the Black Hawk pilot shot down and captured many years ago. Actually tried watching the movie a couple times but couldn't for long until I read that book. Then I could watch it throughout.

Posted by: Skip at July 04, 2021 08:18 AM (Cxk7w)

45 The who dis is Patrick Swayze.

Before he died.

Posted by: JT at July 04, 2021 08:18 AM (arJlL)

46 Hiya Grammie !

Happy Fourth !

Posted by: JT at July 04, 2021 08:19 AM (arJlL)

47 Good morning, OM, good morning, Horde,

Happy Independence Day, everyone

Posted by: callsign claymore at July 04, 2021 08:19 AM (pC+Qx)

48 Suggestion for a "word power" entry.
"Suctorial."
I looked it up but didn't see a picture of our VP. Yet.

Posted by: vivi at July 04, 2021 08:20 AM (USW1s)

49 Morning Bookists! Thanks OM! Happy 4th, my favorite virtual people!
Reading this week was online version of Tuchman's Stillwell and the American Experience in China, which I have been intending to read for, oh, 50 years, since it came out.Don't tell me how it turns out, please. No spoilers.
I am informed amazon has a tool for authors to track how their book sales are going. Should I bother?

Posted by: goatexchange at July 04, 2021 08:20 AM (bDyGY)

50 Nothing this past week but Namor, CD liner notes, and "The Definitive Biography of P.D.Q. Bach," which itself is half illustration. It's so old, its pages are coming loose. Hope that's not a problem when I return it to the library.

I had debated with myself whether to put up our U.S. flag this year, or maybe hanging it upside-down, but if Old Glory makes New York Times writers cry, it goes up. Plus some real-estate agent size ones in the yard.

Everybody have a great Independence Day!

Posted by: Weak Geek at July 04, 2021 08:20 AM (Om/di)

51 creeper good news your not banned, bad news not permitted more than 4 words a comment.

Posted by: Skip at July 04, 2021 08:20 AM (Cxk7w)

52 Hiya JT! I'm torn about it being a happy 4th, but I appreciate your cheerful greeting!

Posted by: grammie winger at July 04, 2021 08:20 AM (45fpk)

53 I will check it out. But I hope there are not too many absolutes. What I mean is i hope the history is sourced by real historians I recall as a yute hearing the Mass colonies were based on religion and the VA colonies were based on commerce. But then I learned if you missed church twice in Jamestown you were put in the stocks.

Posted by: Quint at July 04, 2021 08:21 AM (F2/Ok)

54 huh, yeah, I got Hail Mary Project from the libary the other day ... so far, so good, about 1/3 through it.
also a 6-cd set of Feynman lecturing on physics ...

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (wHoql) at July 04, 2021 08:21 AM (wHoql)

55 Jim Morrison. Easier to read a book when you are sober.

Posted by: Jen the original at July 04, 2021 08:21 AM (3MiGE)

56 Those pants are FINE!

Posted by: Kinko The Clown at July 04, 2021 08:21 AM (Tnijr)

57 "He kind of looks like Val Kilmer."

He actually played Val Kilmer in the movie!

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice. Asymptomatic raycist at July 04, 2021 08:21 AM (3D/fK)

58 The Foundation trailer looks interesting. Jared Harris as Hari Seldon should be excellent. But I don't know how you can really do a series based on an epic like Foundation. The scope of the world is simply so vast as to be nearly incomprehensible. That's kind of the point of the series. It's an attempt to mitigate the collapse of an Empire from 30,000 years to 1,000 years. How do you capture that in a TV show?

Posted by: Lord Squirrel at July 04, 2021 08:22 AM (K5n5d)

59 57 "He kind of looks like Val Kilmer."

He actually played Val Kilmer in the movie!
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice. Asymptomatic raycist at July 04, 2021 08:21 AM

Or vice versa?

Posted by: Moonbeam at July 04, 2021 08:23 AM (qe5CM)

60 How do you capture that in a TV show?
Posted by: Lord Squirrel at July 04, 2021 08:22 AM (K5n5d)

MORE 'SPLOSIONS!

Posted by: Michael Bay at July 04, 2021 08:23 AM (rfYv5)

61 "Or vice versa?"

May....be.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice. Asymptomatic raycist at July 04, 2021 08:23 AM (3D/fK)

62 The Who Dis is Johnny Bravo.

He was big back in the 60's.

Posted by: Greg Brady at July 04, 2021 08:24 AM (R/m4+)

63 Who dis is army brat Jim Morrison

Posted by: Huck Follywood at July 04, 2021 08:24 AM (OOwtX)

64 Picked up a few books yesterday, though nothing really intensive - a book about the making of the Beatles album Revolver, a local history book, one called Infamous Scribblers, about Colonial- and Revolutionary-era newspapers and their campaigns of outright lies and slander (sound familiar?) and a mental-popcornbook about American political scandals.

Nothing particularly fascinating.

It's 58, cloudy, cold and slimy here. I think I am going to put on the Mozart Requiem in a while and sit on the couch. Still debating as to whether it's worth it to watch 1776 at some point today.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 04, 2021 08:24 AM (2JVJo)

65 "The Definitive Biography of P.D.Q. Bach," which itself is half illustration. It's so old, its pages are coming loose. Hope that's not a problem when I return it to the library.
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I had that! I was a big fan of Schickele's PDQ in my youth and the book was very funny. The "Rings of Nibelung" left on his manuscript by his favorite beer

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at July 04, 2021 08:24 AM (Dc2NZ)

66 Nurse when you get here don't stop reading it, lots to learn from it and insight into what is happening here today.

Posted by: Skip at July 04, 2021 08:24 AM (Cxk7w)

67 Mary 4P I agree, as someone said he wrote 5th grade poetry

Posted by: Skip at July 04, 2021 08:25 AM (Cxk7w)

68 The Who Dis is Johnny Bravo.

He was big back in the 60's.
Posted by: Greg Brady

Wasn't he a Rebel ?

Posted by: JT at July 04, 2021 08:26 AM (arJlL)

69 Still debating as to whether it's worth it to watch 1776 at some point today.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 04, 2021 08:24 AM (2JVJo)

We were going to watch it last night but it wasn't free so we didn't.

Posted by: grammie winger at July 04, 2021 08:26 AM (45fpk)

70
53 I will check it out. But I hope there are not too many absolutes. What I mean is i hope the history is sourced by real historians I recall as a yute hearing the Mass colonies were based on religion and the VA colonies were based on commerce. But then I learned if you missed church twice in Jamestown you were put in the stocks.
Posted by: Quint at July 04, 2021 08:21 AM (F2/Ok)

It was the best of times and the worst of times.

Posted by: Justsayin' at July 04, 2021 08:26 AM (Fs5vw)

71 And, of course, as I look through yesterday's threads, I see there was one on Yankee Doodle Dandy, and naturally I was drunk off myass and couldn't participate.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 04, 2021 08:26 AM (2JVJo)

72 It's kind of scary when I look back at Little Anonosaurus Wrecks. When I was fifteen I thought Morrison was the coolest guy ever. In fact, he was an irresponsible nihilistic hedonist whose lifestyle was essentially suicidal. Cool kills, kids.

Morrison's father, an admiral in the USN, was the commander in charge at the Gulf of Tonkin incident that deepened our involvement in Vietnam. Today it is widely believed that the incident was greatly exaggerated.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at July 04, 2021 08:26 AM (d9FiS)

73 I love the painting of the dad sharing a book with his two small children. It is beautifully rendered and absolutely touching.

I don't know where OM finds these lovely images but they are a highlight for me of the Book Thread.

Posted by: JTB at July 04, 2021 08:27 AM (7EjX1)

74 That guy reading to his kids is going to catch his back on fire.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at July 04, 2021 08:27 AM (JUOKG)

75 I've got about 20 pages left before I finish "The British Are Coming." I question the timing!

Posted by: Biden's Dog at July 04, 2021 08:27 AM (IHedo)

76 There are a lot of pics of celebs reading "Death is a Star" Much photoshopping.

Posted by: CN at July 04, 2021 08:28 AM (ONvIw)

77 I haven't read "Foundation" since junior high and remember very little, so I'm getting a copy from the library. I'm pleased they even have one, since a lot of classic SF just ain't there anymore.

Couldn't help but notice the Progressive casting choices for the series.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at July 04, 2021 08:28 AM (Dc2NZ)

78 We were going to watch it last night but it wasn't free so we didn't.
Posted by: grammie winger at July 04, 2021 08:26 AM (45fpk)

I have the DVD, so cost doesn't matter to me. I just don't know if I should watch it for entertainment alone or meditate on what a waste the drive for independence and self-government were.

BTW, Turner Classic Movies is showing 1776 tonight at 10.15pm EST, with The Music Man at 5.00 and Yankee Doodle Dandy at 8.00.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 04, 2021 08:30 AM (2JVJo)

79 I keeping with the theme of the Vatican Library, I'll mention some Catholic books I've read since the last time I posted on the Book Thread:
1) God So Loved the World by Fr Robert Spitzer. Published in 2016. This is the 3rd book in his "Quartet" and explains Jesus Christ's revelations of God's plan for Mankind. Very good explanations of the the concept of agape' (unconditional love) and the Kingdom of God. Highly recommended: rating = 5.0/5. (Has imprimatur)

2) Saints and Sinners by Msgr James Murphy. Published in 2019, it is a brief telling of the Cristero War in Mexico in the 1920s. Not a strict chronological record, he explains the personalities of some of the most important participants in that war. He quotes some of the old books that are pretty obscure now. Very informative and fairly even-handed (he criticizes some of the Mexican bishops besides the Mexican politicians) attempt of the socialist government to eliminate religion. Rating = 4.5/5

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at July 04, 2021 08:30 AM (pJWtt)

80 RE: Foundation as a TV show...Although I admire the ambition of the showrunners, I suspect it will probably fall short of the mark for the same reason a complete Dune cycle series would. Epic science fiction (Foundation, Lensman, Dune, Ender Saga, etc.) tends to take place over vast time spans, often thousands of years. It simply doesn't lend itself well to a visual medium like movies or television as the scope of the story extends well beyond what movies and television are suited for.

Posted by: Lord Squirrel at July 04, 2021 08:30 AM (K5n5d)

81 Off to do some grillin' and chillin'. I'll check back in later.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at July 04, 2021 08:31 AM (Dc2NZ)

82 Good morning morons. Jim Morrison.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 04, 2021 08:31 AM (EZebt)

83 Asimov did write some more Foundation novels - 3 prequels on how Hari Seldon the old man came to be. He did this by tying them into the Robots novels by making R. Daneel Olivaw a Deux Ex Machina basically coercing Seldon, through machinations both physical and through the powers programmed into him by Giskard, into completing the Psychohistorical equations and creating both Foundations.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at July 04, 2021 08:31 AM (QkWHR)

84 This week's reading:

Physical books: The British Are Coming by Rick Atkinson. As usual, when I read historical books, I am taken aback at how things really never change.

Also reading A Toast to Tomorrow, by Manning Coles. British Intelligence agent Tommy Hambledon finds himself in pre-Nazi Germany, in a hospital, and unable to remember who he is. He becomes a good German, until something sparks his memory. It's starting to get good.

Audio books: CJ Box Dark Sky, and Craig Johnson's latest Longmire, Next to Last Stand. I really can't get enough of either author.

Posted by: April OX9vb at July 04, 2021 08:32 AM (OX9vb)

85 I'm continuing to enjoy "Cape Cod Tales" and have downloaded some of Joseph Lincoln's other books. I take my time reading the stories, like with Wodehouse, because the wording is so much fun.

Posted by: JTB at July 04, 2021 08:32 AM (7EjX1)

86 Couldn't help but notice the Progressive casting choices for the series.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at July 04, 2021 08:28 AM (Dc2NZ)
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Yeah, I noticed that as well, but for a science fiction show it can be glossed over quite a bit. The TV Tropes page for Foundation noticed that the TV series did re-gender a couple of characters, though. Don't much care for that idea.

Posted by: Lord Squirrel at July 04, 2021 08:32 AM (K5n5d)

87 I had a great day yesterday, I spent Friday visiting with my best friend and in the aftermath of reminiscing about our youth I recalled the name of the cartoonist grandma used to teach me to read.

Burr Shafer penned and drew a wonderfully biting analysis of history in J. Wesley Smith cartoons.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burr_Shafer

Long story short, I bought a copy of the abridged version my mother had yesterday.

Human memory is a funny thing.

Posted by: sven at July 04, 2021 08:33 AM (Lzpvj)

88 Boy F used to crawl under my arm that way. Now he's a beast.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 04, 2021 08:34 AM (EZebt)

89 I reread the "Foundation" series not too long ago, including the subsequent books Asimov wrote when he realized he was On To A Good Thing. Those books are as much a continuation of some themes from his "Robot" series as Foundation. The Robot series is, in and of itself, really wonderful reading.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at July 04, 2021 08:34 AM (OOwtX)

90 In addition to Windswept House, I bough a cheap copy of Hostage to the Devil. An interesting thing is that MSM gave him rave reviews and believed in traditional "good and evil" when it came out. What a change.

Posted by: CN at July 04, 2021 08:36 AM (ONvIw)

91 Posted by: sven at July 04, 2021 08:33 AM (Lzpvj)

Sven, I have a couple of Shafer's "J. Wesley Smith" books. They are funny.

Another cartoonist I really enjoy is H.T. Webster, the man who created "Caspar Milquetoast."

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 04, 2021 08:37 AM (2JVJo)

92 Audio books: CJ Box Dark Sky, and Craig Johnson's
latest Longmire, Next to Last Stand. I really can't get enough of
either author.

Posted by: April OX9vb at July 04, 2021 08:32 AM (OX9vb)

I read Redcoats and Rebels: "The American Revolution through British Eyes". To be honest, it was a bit dry. But this guy was on of the first to publish something like that in the USA. I might try it again to see what I think now.

Posted by: Quint at July 04, 2021 08:37 AM (F2/Ok)

93 As I'm finishing up my book on Guy Burgess and the Cambridge spy ring, I came across a quotation from a Spectator article written by Henry Fairlie in 1955 that the author included to explain why the security authorities missed so many clues. Seems so relevant to today, nearly 70 years later:

"What I call the 'Establishment' in this country is today more powerful than ever before. By the 'Establishment' I do not mean only the centres of official power- though they are certainly part of it- but rather the whole matrix of official and social relations within which power is exercised...No one whose job it was to be interested in the Burgess-McLean affair from the very beginning will forget the subtle but powerful pressures which were brought to bear by those who belonged to the same stratum as the two missing men."

The author aptly summarizes the quote: "In short, how Britain's elite were still interconnected and protecting their own."

Posted by: Moonbeam at July 04, 2021 08:37 AM (qe5CM)

94 If you haven;t read the Robot series, I recommend starting with Caves Of Steel. There are lots of earlier short stories and magazine pieces, where he tries out the ideas, but IMO, this book is when it all starts going in a big way. Plus, you get introduced to the character "Daneel Olivaw", who later plays a part in the add-on books to the Foundation series.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at July 04, 2021 08:39 AM (OOwtX)

95 I reread the "Foundation" series not too long ago, including the subsequent books Asimov wrote when he realized he was On To A Good Thing. Those books are as much a continuation of some themes from his "Robot" series as Foundation. The Robot series is, in and of itself, really wonderful reading.
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Many of his works can be seen as taking place at different times within the same 'Verse. It's a pretty interesting exercise in consistent world building. I think R. Daneel Olivaw is an attempt to canon-weld the Foundation Series to his Robot Series and other works, to give an over-arching connection between all of these stories.

Posted by: Lord Squirrel at July 04, 2021 08:39 AM (K5n5d)

96 45 The who dis is Patrick Swayze.

Before he died.
Posted by: JT at July 04, 2021 08:18 AM (arJlL)

I dont think we post dead pics here.

Posted by: rhennigantx at July 04, 2021 08:39 AM (yrol0)

97 Red "Daughters of Yalta" by Catherine Katz. Book about Yalta conference with angle of roles of Anna Roosevelt, Sarah Churchill and Kathleen Harriman. Good written book and it actually pointed to Alger Huss as Russian spy. Also book shows how Roosevelt was not match to Stalin in diplomacy and if you in WWII, this is book for you

Posted by: redmonkey at July 04, 2021 08:39 AM (0+Ppk)

98 They say beware of the expert in more than one field and Asimov was certainly that. In addition to all his fiction, he wrote numerous books on science, history, and everything else under the sun. His Shakespeare book really changed my understanding of Hamlet. His book on the Bible may be blasphemous and infuriating (he says Jesus was the most successful paranoid schizophrenic in history) but he does put biblical times in historical context. His books on biology, astronomy etc. are outdated now (turns out, get this, the science wasn't settled) but all are informative and fun to read in part because of his sarcastic wit.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at July 04, 2021 08:40 AM (d9FiS)

99 I've said before, the first book of Warhammer Horus Heresy does what Foundation did, but better.

Foundation (I've only read the first one) is very good.

Is it woke? It shows the empire as being fascist (OH NO scary muscular statue) but maybe that's the trailer. The empire, like the Roman empire, is neither cruel nor kind. It hugely raised the standard of living for everyone in it and provided opportunities for many to be more than just farmers.

Woke stories are full of characters without an ounce of admirable qualities. There are more elements that I admire about a human disaster like Walter White than the entire cast of non-80s Star Wars. If the character is well written, politics won't come up.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at July 04, 2021 08:40 AM (ybIRR)

100
Let Me Be Frank - a limerick

That Vatican Library's cool
But I'm not that easy to fool
It seems to be missin'
A signed first edition
Of Francis, The Talking Mule

Posted by: Muldoon at July 04, 2021 08:40 AM (Xwt96)

101 The short version of this 663 page doorstop is: McCarthy was right.

And history, as taught, is utter bullshit. Now do the Civil War, the Wilson and FDR eras, and Nelson Mandela.

Posted by: East of Omaha at July 04, 2021 08:40 AM (tT2kt)

102 The Foundation trailer is terrible. This makes Starship Troopers look like an accurate portrayal of Heinlein's novel! The trailer makes it clear that they are lathering Dune and a little bit of Star Wars onto Foundation.

All they needed to do was to show the trial of Gaal Dornick and Hari Seldon as written. Other than displaying Trantor, there need not be any great visuals, no explosions. Then the next episode moves to Terminus with the Encyclodedia Galactica and Salvor Hardin.

The book is MADE to be serialized, yet they totally screwed it up and completely missed the point. Psychohistory is the star. What a disappointment.

Posted by: MichiCanuck at July 04, 2021 08:41 AM (vKmXR)

103 First!

Posted by: vmom stabby stabbyt stabby stabamillion at July 04, 2021 08:41 AM (oEn12)

104 91 Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 04, 2021 08:37 AM (2JVJo)

They were published as Scholastic Books for tweens, it astounds fair-minded modern readers that children got the gags.

You would think they could do the inductive logic on their bewilderment and arrive at the conclusion that modern education is ill-serving the client.

I would read the cartoon, and then grandma would explain the context and have me read along in the encyclopedia about the subject.

Posted by: sven at July 04, 2021 08:42 AM (Lzpvj)

105 In the real picture, Morrison is signing an autograph, not reading that crazy book. It's a well done image, though, the barcode said "fake" right off the bat.

Posted by: CN at July 04, 2021 08:42 AM (ONvIw)

106 Couldn't help but notice the Progressive casting choices for the series.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at July 04, 2021 08:28 AM (Dc2NZ)

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Eris, since I don't follow the politics of actors I just assume they are all commies. Is there someone cast in the show in particular you are thinking of here?

Posted by: Huck Follywood at July 04, 2021 08:43 AM (OOwtX)

107 I had that! I was a big fan of Schickele's PDQ in
my youth and the book was very funny. The "Rings of Nibelung" left on
his manuscript by his favorite beer Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at July 04, 2021 08:24 AM (Dc2NZ)

Peter Shickele did a series on PBS called Shickele Mix, where he discussed music and composition, it was like a composition class without exercises. Only went one season I think

He also wrote the score for the movie Silent Running.

Posted by: Kindltot at July 04, 2021 08:43 AM (ySM85)

108 Of course foundation occurs on a grand canvas but to get a sense of what life on a world city like trantor would be like, and how it deteorates it would probably take a season per book to scratch the surface.

Posted by: Alien covenant was worse at July 04, 2021 08:43 AM (hMlTh)

109 103 First!
Posted by: vmom stabby stabbyt stabby stabamillion
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Everyone else here knows it's the Fourth!

Posted by: Biden's Dog at July 04, 2021 08:43 AM (IHedo)

110 In conversation with our niece and her husband, both around thirty, we mentioned our copies of the country's founding documents. They are nicely bound hardcovers on acid free paper of the Declaration, Constitution, and Federalist Papers. We got them because we have no confidence that some POS won't try to have them banned or leave them 'uninterpreted'.

Sort of as a joke but not really, our niece came back asking to have them specified in our will that they get these copies. (She did have the grace to mention that she hopes that won't be for a looong time.)

Posted by: JTB at July 04, 2021 08:43 AM (7EjX1)

111 and Happy Independence Day!

Posted by: vmom stabby stabbyt stabby stabamillion at July 04, 2021 08:43 AM (oEn12)

112 Now that we're past 100 comments, I saw an article headline at the NY Post that made me laugh out loud. Explains so much!!

"Prince Charles Recalls Being Captivated by Barbra Streisand as a Young Man"

Posted by: Moonbeam at July 04, 2021 08:43 AM (qe5CM)

113 Here is the real photo of Morrison: https://tinyurl.com/yz87nar2

Posted by: CN at July 04, 2021 08:43 AM (ONvIw)

114 Together Asimov's Foundation Series, E.E. Doc Smith's Lensman Series, and Frank Herbert's Dune Series provide the blueprint for just about every galaxy-spanning Empire in science fiction (including Lucas' Galactic Empire in Star Wars). Almost required reading for any science fiction aficionado.

Posted by: Lord Squirrel at July 04, 2021 08:44 AM (K5n5d)

115 Read a book about Morrison in early '80s? "No One Gets Out of Here Alive"? He was an Admirals son...pretty much portrayed as a drunk.

Posted by: BignJames at July 04, 2021 08:44 AM (AwYPR)

116 all men are created equal

endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights

Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness

Seems to me we have missed the mark on a few of these.

And CRT actually replaces these IDEAS with rules that to work require one person or group to be denied (property or rights) so that other can be gifted (property or rights).

Posted by: rhennigantx at July 04, 2021 08:45 AM (yrol0)

117 Everyone else here knows it's the Fourth!

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The Fourth is on the fifth this year.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at July 04, 2021 08:46 AM (d9FiS)

118 I dont think we post dead pics here.
Posted by: rhennigantx

And that's a GOOD thing !

Posted by: JT at July 04, 2021 08:46 AM (arJlL)

119 The storyline of The Mule and the second foundation was my favorite in the Foundation series. Now I need to go reread it yet again.

Posted by: Ironwood at July 04, 2021 08:46 AM (6YMId)

120 Except for lee pace (ronan) and jared harris mostly a cast of unknowns

Posted by: Alien covenant was worse at July 04, 2021 08:46 AM (hMlTh)

121 and Happy Independence Day!

Posted by: vmom stabby stabbyt stabby stabamillion

Backatcha vmom !

Posted by: JT at July 04, 2021 08:47 AM (arJlL)

122 Posted by: MichiCanuck at July 04, 2021 08:41 AM (vKmXR)

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you got all that from a short trailer?

Posted by: Huck Follywood at July 04, 2021 08:47 AM (OOwtX)

123 Good late morning horde! Happy Indpendence day!

Posted by: Jewells45 at July 04, 2021 08:48 AM (nxdel)

124 I read No One Gets Out of Here Alive, actually a few rock star books in my classic rock era days

Posted by: Skip at July 04, 2021 08:48 AM (Cxk7w)

125 If you haven;t read the Robot series, I recommend starting with Caves Of Steel. There are lots of earlier short stories and magazine pieces, where he tries out the ideas, but IMO, this book is when it all starts going in a big way. Plus, you get introduced to the character "Daneel Olivaw", who later plays a part in the add-on books to the Foundation series.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at July 04, 2021 08:39 AM (OOwtX)

Caves of Steel is a great novel: starts out as a detective story and then sort of goes into a different track discussing what it is that makes us human.

My reaction to the Foundation trilogy was "meh." Read them decades ago and had no desire to read them again or read the subsequent books.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at July 04, 2021 08:48 AM (pJWtt)

126 Strangely, a Foundation series is somewhat appropriate given the times we are living in now. Foundation was written as a science fiction version of Edward Gibbons' "The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire." We are currently witnessing the decline and fall of the American Empire (not that America was a true empire in the classic sense).

Posted by: Lord Squirrel at July 04, 2021 08:48 AM (K5n5d)

127 So I can't do that to the Horde. Maybe no one cares, it is no big thing. But in the last thread I asked about a video of an Irish American singer who did a salute to the military. I asked people to watch it and tell me what stood out. I used to see the guy in pubs, he was pretty well known. I asked what about this video was clear to you. or what about it was unlike the rest? I said it was easy, as in, if you watch it, the answer would stand out.
So this guy ripped the Marines for ten minutes, he made fun of them for fun and nothing else. His set was respect for all the services, that was his thing. "He was very pro military and that worked damn well anywhere you have an Irish pub.
But if you watch the set, while he respects everyone for sure, that is the entire point. He only plays one hymn straight. It is the Marines's Hymn. If you ever see him live it stands out. The Marines and former Marines in the audience snap to attention, to them is is the same as saluting the flag. Anyway, that was my big trivia question. No biggie there. Salute to all services.

Posted by: Quint at July 04, 2021 08:49 AM (F2/Ok)

128 The who dis is Patrick Swayze.

Before he died.

Close. It was someone who also died.

Posted by: t-bird at July 04, 2021 08:49 AM (AytXr)

129 IIRC, LittleBro928 wrote to Asimov back in the 1970s pointing out some error in physics that he had made in some book that the boy had read. LB got a nice note back admitting the error but noting that the book was fiction anyway.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 04, 2021 08:50 AM (yQpMk)

130 114 Together Asimov's Foundation Series, E.E. Doc Smith's Lensman Series,
and Frank Herbert's Dune Series provide the blueprint for just about
every galaxy-spanning Empire in science fiction (including Lucas'
Galactic Empire in Star Wars). Almost required reading for any science
fiction aficionado.

Posted by: Lord Squirrel at July 04, 2021 08:44 AM (K5n5d)

I though the original Dune book was great. The add-on not so much so.

Posted by: Vic at July 04, 2021 08:50 AM (mpXpK)

131 Abe Lincoln there sitting by the fire reading to his children is about to experience an unfortunate chain of events.

The Hearth Attack - a short story

His hat by the open flame is about to catch fire. When he realizes this he will flail backwards with his left arm, knocking over the candle. The hot candle wax will spill down the back of his pants. Leaping to his feet he will scatter the children across the room and as he dances in pain from the melted paraffin he will step squarely on not just one, but both of the toy houses in his stocking feet. The ensuing blood-curdling scream and the house fire will haunt his children's dreams if they ever do manage to have a good night's sleep again. Happily ever after, yada yada.

Yes. I'm generally an optimistic sort, why do you ask?

Posted by: Muldoon at July 04, 2021 08:51 AM (Xwt96)

132 The way i robot turned i dispair they will get anything righf, the galactic empire is such a huge edifice even ttantor itself is almost inconprehensible.

Posted by: Alien covenant was worse at July 04, 2021 08:54 AM (hMlTh)

133 I though the original Dune book was great. The add-on not so much so.
Posted by: Vic at July 04, 2021 08:50 AM (mpXpK)
Agreed. I thought Children of Dune was "ok". And it just kept going downhill after that. By God Emperor - I was just skimming to get an idea of how he wrapped it all up. By Chapterhouse - I thought the gas Mom and Dad burned just to get me to the library to check it out was a waste of money.

Posted by: East of Omaha at July 04, 2021 08:54 AM (/bNwY)

134 When I was fifteen I thought Morrison was the coolest guy ever. In fact, he was an irresponsible nihilistic hedonist whose lifestyle was essentially suicidal. Cool kills, kids.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks

Ditto. So many of our generation fell into that trap. Crap, I didn't get out of it until I was in my late 30s.

Posted by: April at July 04, 2021 08:55 AM (OX9vb)

135 Speaking of matters freedomish, the Anti-Federalists don't get enough coverage.

Patrick Henry's writings in particular are well worth your time.

He shouted from the rooftops about what would happen to states' power if the new system was adopted.

Posted by: callsign claymore at July 04, 2021 08:55 AM (pC+Qx)

136 Mary4P, thanks for recommending Appetite City last week. I ordered a used copy and am only about one chapter in, but loving it. Combination of food and social history is always good.

Posted by: skywch at July 04, 2021 08:55 AM (Y/Ps0)

137 Good written book and it actually pointed to Alger Huss as Russian spy. Also book shows how Roosevelt was not match to Stalin in diplomacy

Wasn't Hiss a plant as much as a spy? I still think Delano's complicity with all the reds in his midst is understated.

Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at July 04, 2021 08:56 AM (g5I2H)

138 When I was fifteen I thought Morrison was the coolest guy ever. In fact, he was an irresponsible nihilistic hedonist whose lifestyle was essentially suicidal. Cool kills, kids.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks

Radical chic is still killing our society. Not sure where Morrison would have stood on today's hedonism, but probably would have been all in, had he not died from the older version.

Posted by: CN at July 04, 2021 08:57 AM (ONvIw)

139 The who dis is Patrick Swayze.

Before he died.

Close. It was someone who also died.
Posted by: t-bird

Abe Lincoln !

Posted by: JT at July 04, 2021 08:57 AM (arJlL)

140 He was a walkin but the most prominent member of the ware pressman spyring

Posted by: Alien covenant was worse at July 04, 2021 08:58 AM (hMlTh)

141 138 Posted by: CN at July 04, 2021 08:57 AM (ONvIw)

"I've had enough" is something survivors eventually say.

Posted by: sven at July 04, 2021 08:58 AM (Lzpvj)

142 137 Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at July 04, 2021 08:56 AM (g5I2H)

FDR knew what was what in the 30s, by 43 he was Joe Biden's prototype.

Posted by: sven at July 04, 2021 08:59 AM (Lzpvj)

143 Wasn't Hiss a plant as much as a spy? I still think Delano's complicity with all the reds in his midst is understated.
Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at July 04, 2021 08:56 AM (g5I2H)

Have you read anything from Henry Morgenthau ? If he's to be believed, FDR had a real hard on to nationalize everything during WW II, and no intention of letting go of it afterward.

Posted by: East of Omaha at July 04, 2021 08:59 AM (/bNwY)

144 Strangely enough I actually recognized Morrison and I never recognize the who 'dis people. I wasn't even a fan.

Posted by: Northernlurker, surgite at July 04, 2021 08:59 AM (cSyAR)

145 "I've had enough" is something survivors eventually say.
Posted by: sven at July 04, 2021 08:58 AM (Lzpvj)

He'd be old now, so maybe he'd have stopped. Doesn't matter, he and Joplin are still creepily idolized.

Posted by: CN at July 04, 2021 08:59 AM (ONvIw)

146 Close. It was someone who also died.
Posted by: t-bird

Abe Lincoln !
Posted by: JT

******

Who died tragically in a house fire after reading a book to his kids by the hearth. I tried explaining this.

Posted by: Muldoon at July 04, 2021 09:00 AM (Xwt96)

147 k read the content, gonna spend hours on digvatlib I can just tell

my reading has been picking up

after watching The Last Kingdom, I am working my way through the books. Currently in the midde of the The Burning Land

also read The Witch's Heart by Genevieve Gornichec which is based on the scant myths about Loki's Frost Giant wife, Angrboda.
It's a bit slow, and I never really warm to the chatacyers, but the author clearly loves North mythology and has fone her research, so I found it interesting

Posted by: vmom stabby stabbyt stabby stabamillion at July 04, 2021 09:00 AM (oEn12)

148 They had cells in agriculture at state hiss and duggan at commerce remington, in the future oss duncan lee halperin and marcuse.

Posted by: Alien covenant was worse at July 04, 2021 09:00 AM (hMlTh)

149 When I was fifteen I thought Morrison was the coolest guy ever. In fact,
he was an irresponsible nihilistic hedonist whose lifestyle was
essentially suicidal. Cool kills, kids.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks

agreed. they have spread graffiti all over Pere Lachaise for decades. I liked the fist album but never understood why they did that. Much more famous people, and regular people have had their stones vandalized for no good reason. Not that there can ever be a good reason. But the Doors were kids, they didn't know a thing. Some good music yes, but deep truths?, the opposite is the case.

Posted by: Quint at July 04, 2021 09:00 AM (F2/Ok)

150 You held on to the good parts though, right April?

Posted by: Tonypete at July 04, 2021 09:01 AM (HhcV+)

151 135 Posted by: callsign claymore at July 04, 2021 08:55 AM (pC+Qx)

Idiots today think the Anti-Federalists were somehow unAmerican, we would not be who we are had the Federalists not carried the day power-wise.

I am not certain that we would not be better off liberty wise had the Anti-Federalists won.

Both sides of the divide there were better, more sober, and saner men than anyone in politics today.

Posted by: sven at July 04, 2021 09:01 AM (Lzpvj)

152 We're talking ( *counts on fingers* ) 50 years ago

OM has 50 fingers?

They ARE among us!

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 04, 2021 09:01 AM (DMUuz)

153 One of the trends in Msgr Murphy's book (I didn't give the full title: Saints and Sinners in the Cristero War previously) was the effort of the socialist government of Mexico to emphasize sex education (even to the extent of having elementary-aged boys and girls strip naked in front of each other). Curious that a century ago, socialists were attempting to sexualize children even back then (or not, since I've come to the conclusion that Collectivism as a governmental form is Satanically-inspired).

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at July 04, 2021 09:01 AM (pJWtt)

154 Oh and happy Independence Day to the Horde.

Posted by: Northernlurker, surgite at July 04, 2021 09:01 AM (cSyAR)

155 Who died tragically in a house fire after reading a book to his kids by the hearth. I tried explaining this.
Posted by: Muldoon at July 04, 2021 09:00 AM (Xwt96)

Other than that Tad and Willie, how was the bedtime story.

Posted by: rhennigantx at July 04, 2021 09:01 AM (yrol0)

156 Mary4P, thanks for recommending Appetite City last week. I ordered a used copy and am only about one chapter in, but loving it. Combination of food and social history is always good.
Posted by: skywch at July 04, 2021 08:55 AM (Y/Ps0)

Oh, you're welcome! The book peters out in the last few chapters when it becomes more about celebrity chefs and their "showplace" restaurants, but the bulk of the book is really enjoyable, I think.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 04, 2021 09:01 AM (2JVJo)

157 Strangely enough I actually recognized Morrison and I never recognize the who 'dis people. I wasn't even a fan.

Posted by: Northernlurker, surgite at July 04, 2021 08:59 AM (cSyAR)

you and me both. i suck at it. I bitch about it to OM regularly. But yeah, I got that one quickly.

Posted by: Quint at July 04, 2021 09:01 AM (F2/Ok)

158 33 That Foundation trailer looks good. Better than the previous one.

I still expect them to screw it up somehow, but I'll hold off judgement until it actually arrives.
Posted by: Pixy Misa at July 04, 2021 08:14 AM (MqQvv)

There was a previous Foundation adaptation?

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at July 04, 2021 09:02 AM (7EHj5)

159 The last two were declared communists not necessarilt soviet agents tomato tomatoe

Posted by: Alien covenant was worse at July 04, 2021 09:02 AM (hMlTh)

160 Just finished listening to the audiobook of Project Hail Mary, by the guy who wrote The Martian. An OK story, I guess, nothing to write home about. Whoever they got to do the reading is intensely annoying, though. Every sentence the guy reads has to have super-dramatic emphasis in inappropriate places. Like listening to a teenage girl. Same problem I had with Artemis, which I just stopped listening to because I couldn't stand Rosario Dawson's super-hammy reading (and because I didn't give two shits about the story).

Posted by: spindrift at July 04, 2021 09:02 AM (YdK3h)

161 TRUMP is the MULE!

Posted by: Jean at July 04, 2021 09:02 AM (4cbUr)

162 Asimov's Foundation - cant help but think any current day adaptation is going to be cheerleading 500 year central planning

Posted by: vmom stabby stabbyt stabby stabamillion at July 04, 2021 09:03 AM (oEn12)

163 115 pretty much portrayed as a drunk.
Posted by: BignJames at July 04, 2021 08:44 AM (AwYPR)

That's because, well, he was a drunk.

Posted by: April at July 04, 2021 09:04 AM (OX9vb)

164 you got all that from a short trailer?
Posted by: Huck Follywood at July 04, 2021 08:47 AM (OOwtX)

-------------------------

Absolutely. One of the key aspects of psychohistory is that the people being studied are unaware of the analysis being done on them. So the hundred thousand members of the Encyclopedia Foundation who are sent to Terminus cannot be aware of Seldon's analysis and there is only one psychologist sent to the planet, and he carefully never trains a successor. So you can't have a massive number of revolutionary followers. The establishment of the Foundation is totally peaceful in the book, with merely a hint of underlying tension among the members of the Committee of Public Safety. By the way, at the time of the establishment of the Foundation, the Emperor is a weak figurehead!

An additional annoying snippet is the claim that the Emperor is from a long and continuous genetic line. This is nonsense given the many statements in the book about generals often succeeding to the imperial purple, just like in the Roman Empire. I think this is a sop to Dune and to Clarke's Imperial Earth. It has absolutely nothing to do with Foundation. Yuck.

Posted by: MichiCanuck at July 04, 2021 09:04 AM (vKmXR)

165 133 Dune was epic. The next two are good to okay...but wow, does the story get really, really weird fast.

By the time you get to Dune 9: Esoteric Boogaloo, you may need to examine your life choices.

Posted by: callsign claymore at July 04, 2021 09:04 AM (pC+Qx)

166 Both sides of the divide there were better, more sober, and saner men than anyone in politics today.

Posted by: sven at July 04, 2021 09:01 AM (Lzpvj)

it is almost as if the words have no meaning anymore. Some will call a federalist a statist. But to many it meant the opposite of that.

Posted by: Quint at July 04, 2021 09:05 AM (F2/Ok)

167 The information being shared during in-person gatherings itself if listened to creates risk to the public, claimed stammering Nova Scotia chief medical doctor Robert Strang

SIT THE FUCK DOWN SHUT THE FUCK UP

Posted by: rhennigantx at July 04, 2021 09:06 AM (yrol0)

168 Have you read anything from Henry Morgenthau ? If he's to be believed, FDR had a real hard on to nationalize everything during WW II, and no intention of letting go of it afterward.

Posted by: East of Omaha at July 04, 2021 08:59 AM (/bNwY)

In The Forgotten Man, Amity Schlaes made him appear to have a Biden level appreciation for fucking up everything he touched and making bad situations much worse.

Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at July 04, 2021 09:07 AM (g5I2H)

169 The alcohol probably made mccarthy sloppy but no one else was even reviewing the oversight reports of what general marshall was dojng, which was driven by policies devised by stuart service aughlin currie et al against chiang

Posted by: Alien covenant was worse at July 04, 2021 09:07 AM (hMlTh)

170 161 TRUMP is the MULE!
Posted by: Jean

I have thought so too since 2016

Posted by: vmom stabby stabbyt stabby stabamillion at July 04, 2021 09:08 AM (oEn12)

171 This week I finished listening to The Curse of Oak Island by Randall Sullivan.
I'm honestly not particularly interested in the treasure if there is one. I have no theory about what might be buried there if anything. But I found the history of the island fascinating.
I think the curse is the way the island drives people mad-costing fortunes and destroying relationships.

Posted by: Northernlurker, surgite at July 04, 2021 09:08 AM (cSyAR)

172 OK, all this talk of Foundation has made me realize I still have gaps in my library. Just ordered the rest of the Lensman series and the Foundation series (I already have the whole Dune series)...

Posted by: Lord Squirrel at July 04, 2021 09:08 AM (K5n5d)

173 A gullible baboon reading a random book.

This, too, is the story of Joe Biden.

Posted by: naturalfake at July 04, 2021 09:09 AM (dWwl8)

174 I had that! I was a big fan of Schickele's PDQ in my youth and the book was very funny. The "Rings of Nibelung" left on his manuscript by his favorite beer

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at July 04, 2021 08:24 AM (Dc2NZ)

I have seen Schickele do his PDQ Bach show on two occasions here. He was hilarious. He did a piece 'Dueling Oboes' with an oboe player from our local symphony orchestra that was fun.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at July 04, 2021 09:09 AM (7EHj5)

175 RE: Who dis?

I saw the doors at the Chicago Auditorium, then on the campus of Roosevelt Univ, when I was an undergrad. My younger friends (young TO ME, anyway) are amazed that I actually saw JM perform. I've been introduced as, "This is [mnw]. He actually saw a Doors concert!"

In the concert I saw, The Doors played a short set, with no encores. I thought JM seemed angry, for some unknown reason.

"The Doors" film, directed by Oliver Stone (ugh), sux big time, btw. The 3 surviving Doors* all hated the movie, in varying degrees. (The feature length documentary about the group is pretty good, tho, imo.)

*only 2 now

Posted by: mnw at July 04, 2021 09:09 AM (Cssks)

176 TRUMP is the MULE!
Posted by: Jean

And Biden's the ASS !

Posted by: JT at July 04, 2021 09:10 AM (arJlL)

177 This is nonsense given the many statements in the book about generals often succeeding to the imperial purple, just like in the Roman Empire. I think this is a sop to Dune and to Clarke's Imperial Earth. It has absolutely nothing to do with Foundation. Yuck.
Posted by: MichiCanuck at July 04, 2021 09:04 AM (vKmXR)
----
Yeah, as I mentioned above, Foundation is explicitly based on Edward Gibbons' Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire.

Posted by: Lord Squirrel at July 04, 2021 09:10 AM (K5n5d)

178 I think the curse is the way the island drives people mad-costing fortunes and destroying relationships.

*****

I think the curse is how that Cockney metal detection expert dude is doomed to fill his top pocket with butons and square nails, real dolly-bobbers, eh, mate?

Posted by: Muldoon at July 04, 2021 09:11 AM (Xwt96)

179 I've been reading The Eagle and the Dragon by Lewis F McIntyre, a novel about an ancient Roman diplomatic mission to China during the reign of the Emperor Trajan. They set out from Alexandria and visit many of the famous sites including the Library and the Lighthouse at Pharos.

In the X-Box game Assassin's Creed: Origins, there is a Discovery option that allows you to freely wander about the map with historical tours available so you understand what you're seeing. I was able to take the characters' journey from along the coast road into the city to the Library and out to Pharos. The AC team admit that their Library is based on one in Ephesus rather than Alexandria's because of a lack of a detailed description of Alexandria's Library. Also the book describes quays for the Roman Navy out on Pharos while AC places them to the south of the great harbor. Still, the book is set a century or more after the game so maybe they were built later. Anyway, I thought it was immersive and cool.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at July 04, 2021 09:11 AM (d9FiS)

180 Know your role, jabroni!

Posted by: The Rock at July 04, 2021 09:12 AM (DMUuz)

181 16 This week's reading selection is Tanith Lee's "The Secret Book of Paradys."

==

Tanith Lee was a good writer with some weird kinks. I remember the Birthgrave series....

Posted by: vmom stabby stabbyt stabby stabamillion at July 04, 2021 09:12 AM (oEn12)

182 I really enjoy using manual typewriters. The reasons are many and involve personal philosophy, practical production matters and security concerns. I've been reading a lot of online material related to them and it's time to dig out my copy of "The Typewriter Revolution" by Richard Polt. It addresses these matters and more in an entertaining and informative manner. If you have any interest in these wonderful machines, Polt's book is a good place to get started.

Posted by: JTB at July 04, 2021 09:12 AM (7EjX1)

183 Morgenthau was more selfaware of new deal shortcomings then again he wanted to decimate germany after the war, that would not have turned out well.

The distinction between useful idiot and active agent is dodgy strobe talbott took the kremlin line verbatim tretyakov had a wry chuckle about that how was he different then say aldrich ames ar the compang

Posted by: Alien covenant was worse at July 04, 2021 09:12 AM (hMlTh)

184 I think the curse is how that Cockney metal detection expert dude is doomed to fill his top pocket with butons and square nails, real dolly-bobbers, eh, mate?
Posted by: Muldoon at July 04, 2021 09:11 AM (Xwt96)

That too.

Posted by: Northernlurker, surgite at July 04, 2021 09:12 AM (cSyAR)

185 Still reading Herman Wouk. Once started, you suddenly find yourself reading book after book. He's a skillful popular writer. Beach reading from an earlier age.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at July 04, 2021 09:12 AM (OOwtX)

186 TRUMP is the MULE!
Posted by: Jean at July 04, 2021 09:02 AM (4cbUr)

------------------

You might be right. Election night in 2016 on CNN and MSNBC certainly had the atmosphere of a Seldon Crisis going horribly wrong.

Posted by: MichiCanuck at July 04, 2021 09:12 AM (vKmXR)

187 The Lizard King Jim Morrison.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at July 04, 2021 09:13 AM (/51dh)

188 @148 --

Do not fear capital letters and commas.

Posted by: Weak Geek at July 04, 2021 09:13 AM (Om/di)

189 We're talking ( *counts on fingers* ) 50 years ago

OM has 50 fingers?

They ARE among us!
Posted by: Duncanthrax

So, he has Ten Hands !

If he asks you to give him a hand, say no !

Posted by: JT at July 04, 2021 09:14 AM (arJlL)

190 Finished BONES OF MY GRANDFSTHER by Clay Evans about his search for the remains of Lt. Alexander Bonnyman, USMCR, Medal of Honor recipient KIA on Tarawa.
Besides the quest to return his grandfather's body, buried hurriedly after the battle along with nearly 1200 other marines of which almost half who's graves were lost due to wartime expediency, the author highlights the political in fighting and inefficiency of the government agencies involved in MIA recovery.

Posted by: Cosda at July 04, 2021 09:14 AM (IMYH7)

191 150 You held on to the good parts though, right April?
Posted by: Tonypete at July 04, 2021 09:01 AM (HhcV+)

I always hope so!

Posted by: April at July 04, 2021 09:14 AM (OX9vb)

192 I mentioned in a thread yesterday I came across a library book called The Leopard by Guiseppe Lampedusa, which is historical fiction based on the author's grandfather's life (?)

Apparently considered one of the most important / best selling Italian books of the last century. Never heard of it before so I will try to remedy ignorance by reading it.

Posted by: vmom stabby stabbyt stabby stabamillion at July 04, 2021 09:15 AM (oEn12)

193 Or rubottom and wieland they steered state department policy against batista the company contingent in havana werent anymore selfaware they bought rauls future wife affirmations that his brother was not a commie.

Posted by: Alien covenant was worse at July 04, 2021 09:16 AM (hMlTh)

194 Good morning, Horde!

Taking a break from a two day party.

Posted by: Ladyl at July 04, 2021 09:16 AM (TdMsT)

195 Very informative and fairly even-handed (he criticizes some of the Mexican bishops besides the Mexican politicians) attempt of the socialist government to eliminate religion. Rating = 4.5/5
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at July 04, 2021 08:30 AM (pJWtt)

That reminds me of The Power and the Glory, by Graham Greene. I only skimmed the thing, but it follows a Catholic priest trying to escape the government hunting for priests, and he wonders if he might be the last priest in Mexico.

Posted by: Stonn at July 04, 2021 09:16 AM (xP36F)

196 Wait a second.

Pro wrestling is fake?????

Posted by: Muldoon at July 04, 2021 09:16 AM (Xwt96)

197 This week I finished listening to The Curse of Oak Island by Randall Sullivan.
I'm honestly not particularly interested in the treasure if there is one. I have no theory about what might be buried there if anything. But I found the history of the island fascinating.
I think the curse is the way the island drives people mad-costing fortunes and destroying relationships.
Posted by: Northernlurker, surgite at July 04, 2021 09:08 AM (cSyAR)

There was a book that came out years ago, The Money Pit, by D'Arcy O'Connor, which takes a pretty even-handed view of the treasure search and what (if anything) is actually buried there:

https://tinyurl.com/y7myk4d9

And there's also a theory that the whole "Money Pit" story is a hoax from beginning to end:

https://tinyurl.com/52dkpszt

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 04, 2021 09:16 AM (2JVJo)

198 151 "Both sides of the divide there were better, more sober, and saner men than anyone in politics today."

Well said, sven.

Posted by: callsign claymore at July 04, 2021 09:16 AM (pC+Qx)

199 The Lizard King Jim Morrison.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at July 04, 2021 09:13 AM (/51dh)

Robert California.

Posted by: Quint at July 04, 2021 09:17 AM (F2/Ok)

200 Wait a second.

Pro wrestling is fake?????

Posted by: Muldoon at July 04, 2021 09:16 AM (Xwt96)

Whooo! No way, man!

Posted by: BignJames at July 04, 2021 09:17 AM (AwYPR)

201 If he asks you to give him a hand, say no !
Posted by: JT at July 04, 2021 09:14 AM (arJlL)

Posted by: vmom stabby stabbyt stabby stabamillion at July 04, 2021 09:17 AM (oEn12)

202 The Doors were cool man, but no one could touch The Windows.

Lead singer Cracked Pane was groovy man!

Posted by: Fat Old Hippie, Still Mooching at July 04, 2021 09:17 AM (R/m4+)

203 Tanith Lee?

Sapphire Wine?

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 04, 2021 09:18 AM (VbZvH)

204 196 Posted by: Muldoon at July 04, 2021 09:16 AM (Xwt96)

Pro Wrestling is every bit as real as my ferocity in hearings.

//"Terrible" Trey Gowdy

Posted by: sven at July 04, 2021 09:18 AM (Lzpvj)

205 Good morning, Horde!

Taking a break from a two day party.
Posted by: Ladyl

You seem as young as ever !

Posted by: JT at July 04, 2021 09:18 AM (arJlL)

206 160 spindrift, I abandon many audio books as soon as I start them, because the readers are so over-the-top drama.

I always think of Jon Lovitz and his SNL sketch, "Acting! Yes! Thank you!!"

Just read me the book, will ya, and save the acting for your big stage career.

Posted by: April at July 04, 2021 09:19 AM (OX9vb)

207 Too bad that Foundation mini-series is on AppleTV. I don't do Apple.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 04, 2021 09:19 AM (3H9h1)

208 It helps to remember that the white trash family in that hugely popular "reality" show from a few years ago were paid something like $50K/episode.

There's a fortune hidden in Oak Island. However, it doesn't matter if they find any money in Oak Island.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Juneteenth, because we need to celebrate whites being badass at July 04, 2021 09:20 AM (Kt1w/)

209 Good morning and happy Fourth of July, horde! Just wanted to check in and say hi to everyone before going to Mass.

Posted by: Donna, now with 100% new and improved &&&&&&&&& at July 04, 2021 09:20 AM (HabA/)

210 Tanith Lee?

Sapphire Wine?
Posted by: Anna Puma

Tanith Lee ?

Annabelle's sister ?

Posted by: JT at July 04, 2021 09:20 AM (arJlL)

211 Just finished reading "War and Peace", the Mount Everest of novels. A short description, or even a long one does not do it justice. Fatalistic, with lots of dark humor and sarcasm.

Posted by: Toad-O at July 04, 2021 09:21 AM (cct0t)

212 "Prince Charles Recalls Being Captivated by Barbra Streisand as a Young Man"
Posted by: Moonbeam

Wait, when was Babs a young man?

Posted by: Drink Like Vikings at July 04, 2021 09:21 AM (LRuvW)

213 Too bad that Foundation mini-series is on AppleTV. I don't do Apple.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 04, 2021 09:19 AM (3H9h1)
smart man.

Posted by: Quint at July 04, 2021 09:21 AM (F2/Ok)

214 I think wars get started this way

China could SEIZE land from tiny Montenegro for failing to repay $1 billion 'Belt and Road' loan for 270-mile road to nowhere - of which only a handful of miles was ever built by a Chinese construction company

Posted by: will choose a nic later at July 04, 2021 09:22 AM (bTQ72)

215 Am about a third of the way through Abigail, an earlier book by Magda Szabo. This is a very different book from The Door in that it takes place when the protagonist is a young girl in Hungary during WW2 who is kind of bratty to everyone around her because she's upset at her father for sending her away to boarding school against her wishes. Unknown to her he's urging dissension by all as the only way to counteract rhe disastrous progress of the war. Since this is told from the istandpoint of a young girl, it's difficult for the reader to know anything in detail as far as the big picture. With that as a caveat it's a pretty interesting, albeit confusing, read.

Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at July 04, 2021 09:22 AM (g5I2H)

216 Where did you get a copy of "Windswept House?"

I haven't had any luck finding it.

Posted by: JAS, AoSHQ addict at July 04, 2021 09:22 AM (xopIz)

217 He's an article about how the leftists see "America the Beautiful"...hint "it's not", the Forward sees it as shit and full of antisemites and racial brutality: https://tinyurl.com/wyrn2ub4

Nasty stuff.

Posted by: CN at July 04, 2021 09:22 AM (ONvIw)

218 206 Posted by: April at July 04, 2021 09:19 AM (OX9vb)

I cannot suggest strongly enough, that all readers here try out www.graphicaudio.net it is a full ensemble cast with sound effects audiobook studio.

My son enjoys the Nuclear Bombshells stories, and I am fond of Owl and Spencer.

Posted by: sven at July 04, 2021 09:22 AM (Lzpvj)

219 Hiya Donna of the Ampersands !

Happy & safe Fourth !

Posted by: JT at July 04, 2021 09:22 AM (arJlL)

220 216 Where did you get a copy of "Windswept House?"

I haven't had any luck finding it.
Posted by: JAS, AoSHQ addict at July 04, 2021 09:22 AM (xopIz)

Ebay

Posted by: CN at July 04, 2021 09:23 AM (ONvIw)

221 We have Apple Tv for free right now coz KTE got a new iphone this year (combined bday/xmas gift)

The alternate history series about space is pretty good (For All Mankind)

Posted by: vmom stabby stabbyt stabby stabamillion at July 04, 2021 09:23 AM (oEn12)

222 And there's also a theory that the whole "Money Pit" story is a hoax from beginning to end:

https://tinyurl.com/52dkpszt
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 04, 2021 09:16 AM (2JVJo)

-------------------

Unfortunately for that theory, there is now a mountain of evidence for major European engineering work on the island from as early as the 13th century up to the mid 18th century, long before the "hoax". So although it is not clear that there is anything there now, some very large numbers of people were very interested in the place when there wasn't supposed to be anyone there at all.

Posted by: MichiCanuck at July 04, 2021 09:23 AM (vKmXR)

223 214 Posted by: will choose a nic later at July 04, 2021 09:22 AM (bTQ72)

China will do everything America has been calumniated for for a century.

Leftists will sit mute.

Posted by: sven at July 04, 2021 09:23 AM (Lzpvj)

224 two thirds of the way through c.s. lewis' Mere Christianity. i can imagine a Crocodile Dundee meme: "That's not christianity, THIS is Christianity". he absolutely rips into my weak ass moral excuses. the book to read if you want a moral ass kicking.

Posted by: zombeavers is a great movie at July 04, 2021 09:23 AM (fpVX4)

225 Toad-O congratulations, it's a massive undertaking but well worth the effort.

Posted by: Skip at July 04, 2021 09:24 AM (Cxk7w)

226 149 When I was fifteen I thought Morrison was the coolest guy ever. In fact,
he was an irresponsible nihilistic hedonist whose lifestyle was
essentially suicidal. Cool kills, kids."

That's true, but how many young men, suddenly given Morrison's fame and wealth, would behave better? I think of how dumb I was at 20 and then try to imagine what I would have been like if I were suddenly rich and famous. Perhaps I wouldn't have gone wrong in the same way as Morrison, but I am under no illusions I would have behaved wisely.

Posted by: Donna, now with 100% new and improved &&&&&&&&& at July 04, 2021 09:24 AM (HabA/)

227 I guess that it's not that hard to get a copy anymore.

Posted by: JAS, AoSHQ addict at July 04, 2021 09:24 AM (xopIz)

228 161 TRUMP is the MULE!

Posted by: Jean at July 04, 2021 09:02 AM (4cbUr)

Heh. An observation I made in a previous book thread:

http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=359842

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at July 04, 2021 09:24 AM (7EHj5)

229 the Forward sees it as shit and full of antisemites and racial brutality

Considering that Jews in America have never been subject to the pogroms and exterminations that have been their fate in virtually every country on earth, I cordially invite Forward's writers to take off to a better country.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 04, 2021 09:24 AM (2JVJo)

230 153 The Soviets had to be on the ground during Mexico's attempted transition to communism.

No way that was only a Mexican effort.

I'd love to find info on that.

Posted by: callsign claymore at July 04, 2021 09:25 AM (pC+Qx)

231 Read a wonderful mystery, "Waking the Tiger", by Mark Wightman. Takes place in 1940 Singapore. A Eurasian police inspector investigates the death of a mysterious Japanese girl who's body is found on the docks. Full of atmosphere of time and place. It kept me guessing til the end.

Posted by: Tuna at July 04, 2021 09:25 AM (gLRfa)

232 I think wars get started this way
China could SEIZE land from tiny Montenegro for failing to repay $1 billion 'Belt and Road' loan for 270-mile road to nowhere - of which only a handful of miles was ever built by a Chinese construction company
Posted by: will choose a nic later at July 04, 2021 09:22 AM (bTQ72)

I think that was called "Gunboat Diplomacy" back in the bad old days when Y-T ran the planet.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 04, 2021 09:25 AM (R/m4+)

233 229: In all fairness, the Forward also has a Korean born Rutgers professor shit all over the country, too. If foreigners are hating on the country, they can get the fuck out.

Posted by: CN at July 04, 2021 09:26 AM (ONvIw)

234 The forward is a garbage paper well they let beinart scrawl defamations against dr gorka so tablet is probably the successor in jewish intellectual fare

Posted by: Alien covenant was worse at July 04, 2021 09:27 AM (hMlTh)

235 227 I guess that it's not that hard to get a copy anymore.
Posted by: JAS, AoSHQ addict at July 04, 2021 09:24 AM (xopIz)

Cheapest as a kindle version, but someone was complaining that Hostage to the Devil, was missing about 30 pages of material. I can easily see censorship in this, but I am not sure.

Posted by: CN at July 04, 2021 09:28 AM (ONvIw)

236 Montenegro is a landlocked country they would have to cross through serbia or croatia.

Posted by: Alien covenant was worse at July 04, 2021 09:28 AM (hMlTh)

237 60 spindrift, I abandon many audio books as soon as I start them, because the readers are so over-the-top drama.

I don't abandon them but it has been a while. The one thing I have learned is they are generally as dense as fence posts. They are hired for their speaking voices and nothing else. You would think they would take a moment to learn a few things as these audios go into posterity. But they do not. i have listened to too many stock market books discussing Warren "bufaye" to take them seriously.

I have listened to too many Gettsyburg history books that mention General "Heth" when it is pronounced Heeth. It is about the 49th time it is said that it starts to grate. Look, I am not out to bash others like most do. But if someone ever gave me the honor of narrating a non fiction book, I would hope I would at least try to get the names right.

Posted by: Quint at July 04, 2021 09:29 AM (F2/Ok)

238 64 ... "Still debating as to whether it's worth it to watch 1776 at some point today."

MP4, Even when I'm discouraged/disgusted with the way the country is going I never get tired of Howard DaSilva's Ben Franklin or the music. I'm not sure Mrs. JTB has ever heard the whole movie because I always sing along at high volume and quote at least half the dialogue.

Posted by: JTB at July 04, 2021 09:30 AM (7EjX1)

239 And so it begins....

MSNBC host says Juneteenth is the real Independence Day and July 4th is bullshit.

Within 10 years July 4th will be like Columbus Day, celebrated in a few random places, some mattress sales but otherwise a non event for most people.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at July 04, 2021 09:30 AM (hJ8kQ)

240 calumniated

Posted by: sven at July 04, 2021 09:23 AM (Lzpvj)

There's a word you don't see every day.

Posted by: BignJames at July 04, 2021 09:30 AM (AwYPR)

241 The Doors were cool man, but no one could touch The Windows.
Lead singer Cracked Pane was groovy man!
Posted by: Fat Old Hippie, Still Mooching at July 04, 2021 09:17 AM (R/m4+)

Posers!

They both ripped off the greatest band of all time, The Linoleum!

Posted by: naturalfake at July 04, 2021 09:30 AM (dWwl8)

242 post 175 redux:

I read a short bio of Jim Morrison once. Took maybe an hour and a half. Here's some interesting trivia:

1) Jim's father was an Admiral in the U.S. Navy. Jim was related to Samuel Eliot Morrison.

2) Jim had a perfectly good cinematography degree from UCLA, which he never used, much to his parents' frustration. Prior to The Doors, Jim never sang in his life. His parents were extremely skeptical that he could ever support himself singing.

3) Jim died intestate. (surprised?) His wife Patti Courson inherited the rights to publish Jim's poetry, as well as his future music royalties. Patti died of a heroin OD a few months after Jim died. She also died intestate. (surprised?) So everything Jim Morrison had went to Patti's parents-- whom Jim always disliked.

Posted by: mnw at July 04, 2021 09:30 AM (Cssks)

243 "Just finished listening to the audiobook of Project Hail Mary, by the guy who wrote The Martian. An OK story, I guess, nothing to write home about. "

I read the book itself an I agree with your opinion. The author, unfortunately, decided to get on his climate change high horse which ruined whatever story there was for me.

Posted by: Tuna at July 04, 2021 09:31 AM (gLRfa)

244 As with all "epic" productions, this upcoming Apple evisceration of 'Foundation' will be epic in and of itself. Sure, they have familiar names stapled to unrecognizable characters, Oh-so-subtle casting choices (insert sound of piano crashing to earth *here*), profoundly stupid writers bloating up the tight outline that Asimov left them with useless and goofy things that matter not one whit to the original tale, and design and layout choices that ignore the vast scope of what was originally portrayed. It will be a dumb mess, with the important elements lost in the mess sloshing about the unrecognizable characters feet.

In short, it's gonna suck donkey balls. If you read the books, and enjoyed them, you'd be better off going out to your workshop and hitting your fingers with a hammer for two hours than watching what will be shoveled out at you.

Posted by: Brewingfrog at July 04, 2021 09:31 AM (cjlB3)

245 234 The forward is a garbage paper well they let beinart scrawl defamations against dr gorka so tablet is probably the successor in jewish intellectual fare
Posted by: Alien covenant was worse at July 04, 2021 09:27 AM (hMlTh)

I agree. Tablet is much more palatable to me, but I get my husband's family sending me links to the other on a near daily basis. I wish Forward would vanish.

Posted by: CN at July 04, 2021 09:32 AM (ONvIw)

246 240 Posted by: BignJames at July 04, 2021 09:30 AM (AwYPR)

Grandma beat me with a thesaurus.

Posted by: sven at July 04, 2021 09:32 AM (Lzpvj)

247 Within 10 years July 4th will be like Columbus Day, celebrated in a few random places, some mattress sales but otherwise a non event for most people.
Posted by: Joe XiDen at July 04, 2021 09:30 AM (hJ8kQ)

I fucking hate Juneteenth, and BLM

Posted by: CN at July 04, 2021 09:33 AM (ONvIw)

248 Just finished reading "War and Peace", the Mount
Everest of novels. A short description, or even a long one does not do
it justice. Fatalistic, with lots of dark humor and sarcasm.

Posted by: Toad-O at July 04, 2021 09:21 AM (cct0t)

nice, respect to you sir. My War and Peace is Lonesome Dove. But I do love Russian history, I have a background in it. It might be time to take up the challenge.

Posted by: Quint at July 04, 2021 09:33 AM (F2/Ok)

249 China could SEIZE land from tiny Montenegro...

Monte-African-American, please!

So, gov't officials agree to put everybody else's assets up for collateral in a return for a huge pile of cash. What's not to love?

Posted by: t-bird at July 04, 2021 09:33 AM (l0Lgi)

250 Vanessa Williams will be singing the black national anthem tonight on PBS july 4th special, nuff said

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at July 04, 2021 09:33 AM (O7b05)

251 I don't remember the Foundation trilogy having a lot of 'splosions. But to be fair, it's been a few years.

Posted by: Binkley at July 04, 2021 09:33 AM (xP8Wr)

252 The Doors thought about calling themselves The Wittenberg.

Posted by: Northernlurker, surgite at July 04, 2021 09:34 AM (cSyAR)

253 Pinterest has banned all weight-loss ads in order to "embrace body acceptance"

-
I'm old enough to remember when televised women's swimsuit and underwear ads were fun to watch. Today we have a soyboy talking about "ballance".

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at July 04, 2021 09:34 AM (d9FiS)

254 "Any place I hang my head is home."
- Groucho Marx, real estate magnate

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Psychos Rule! No, really. They're in charge now. (HaL55) at July 04, 2021 09:35 AM (HaL55)

255 In short, it's gonna suck donkey balls. If you read the books, and enjoyed them, you'd be better off going out to your workshop and hitting your fingers with a hammer for two hours than watching what will be shoveled out at you.
Posted by: Brewingfrog at July 04, 2021 09:31 AM (cjlB3)

Bravo. Couldn't have said it better.

Posted by: MichiCanuck at July 04, 2021 09:35 AM (vKmXR)

256 If foreigners are hating on the country, they can get the fuck out.
Posted by: CN

AMEN Sistah !

Posted by: JT at July 04, 2021 09:35 AM (arJlL)

257 "Vanessa Williams will be singing the black national anthem tonight on PBS july 4th special, nuff saidL

Yup. Won't be watching this year. Oh Vanessa, how far you've fallen. It's a shame.

Posted by: Tuna at July 04, 2021 09:35 AM (gLRfa)

258 I'm sure the Trump staffers were just crushed.

@JackPosobiec

This has never before been reported bc Chapelle didn't name names.

Per WH official, the celebs who left nasty notes for Trump:

Legend, Teigen, Jordin Sparks, Kelly Rowland, Tracy Ellis Ross, De Niro, Lena Dunham and Amal Clooney

https://tinyurl.com/yejmfznd

Posted by: Tami at July 04, 2021 09:35 AM (cF8AT)

259 > Vanessa Williams will be singing the black national anthem tonight on PBS july 4th special, nuff said

Who's she scissoring with? I mean, that's how it's done now, right?

Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 04, 2021 09:35 AM (3H9h1)

260
Eleanor was sleeping with the communist Joe Lash
-
I guess he took one for the team.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at July 04, 2021 08:09 AM (d9FiS)
_________

Chant by US sailors during WWII:
I hate war.
But I'd rather be in war,
Than in Eleanor.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 04, 2021 09:35 AM (mht8P)

261 240 calumniated
Posted by: sven at July 04, 2021 09:23 AM (Lzpvj)
There's a word you don't see every day.
Posted by: BignJames at July 04, 2021 09:30 AM (AwYPR)

Forced to live in Calumet City.

Posted by: Stonn at July 04, 2021 09:36 AM (xP36F)

262 Morning, Horde! The flags are out and waving proudly in the breeze. The smoker is almost ready to go. Later we will all gather as I read the Declaration of Independence aloud.

They will not take this day from me.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at July 04, 2021 09:36 AM (kTF2Z)

263 Vanessa Williams will be singing the black national anthem tonight on PBS july 4th special, nuff said
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby

She should rap it.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at July 04, 2021 09:36 AM (d9FiS)

264 And so it begins....

MSNBC host says Juneteenth is the real Independence Day and July 4th is bullshit.

Within 10 years July 4th will be like Columbus Day, celebrated in a few random places, some mattress sales but otherwise a non event for most people.
Posted by: Joe XiDen at July 04, 2021 09:30 AM (hJ8kQ)

I expect you're right. I would love for "Juneteenth" to become as much of a cultural joke as "Kwanzaa," but too many people have an interest in race wars for that to happen.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 04, 2021 09:36 AM (2JVJo)

265 Going to jump right in here about The Foundation Trilogy. I also read it many, many years ago but I still think of it as one of the best trilogies I have ever read. Enthralled until the very end when every story line came together perfectly and unpredictably. It is so unusual for books to surprise me that way that I remember that to this day.
If I am remembering wrong, please don't disabuse me.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at July 04, 2021 09:37 AM (sd8p8)

266 Grandma beat me with a thesaurus.
Posted by: sven

That's more fun than gettin' run over by a reindeer !

Posted by: JT at July 04, 2021 09:37 AM (arJlL)

267 221 We have Apple Tv for free right now coz KTE got a new iphone this year (combined bday/xmas gift)

The alternate history series about space is pretty good (For All Mankind)
Posted by: vmom stabby stabbyt stabby stabamillion at July 04, 2021 09:23 AM

Be sure to watch Ted Lasso! It's great. Also, The Morning Show is good. I tried to watch the first episode of "Physical" with Rose Byrne. Kept falling asleep. I don't think it's my cup of tea, but will give it another chance. Summer of Soul looks interesting.

Posted by: Moonbeam at July 04, 2021 09:37 AM (qe5CM)

268 They had cells in agriculture at state hiss and duggan at commerce...

They had scores of communists at State. All the senior people responsible for China wanted Mao to win and did everything they could to ensure he would. The Soviet Union is gone, but we are still living (and dying of ChiCom coronavirii) with the consequences of that treachery.

Posted by: cool breeze at July 04, 2021 09:37 AM (UGKMd)

269 It looks like General Warren's small-sword had a catastrophic failure during the strength test and we can no longer continue testing it.

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at July 04, 2021 09:38 AM (UHVv4)

270 I am going to spend my day, gardening and reading. Nothing really planned for the day, otherwise. Will probably grill chicken for a late lunch. I find the rampaging left ugly enough that I won't be going to any local fireworks and the revisionism is grating on me.

I am really enjoying Time and Again. But back to Forgotten News, I assume the section on Africa is keeping the book off many shelves, as we have to heavily censor history.

Posted by: CN at July 04, 2021 09:38 AM (ONvIw)

271 OK, folks, think I will make a cup of tea and read for a few hours.

Hope you all have a lovely day.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 04, 2021 09:38 AM (2JVJo)

272 Morning, Horde! The flags are out and waving proudly in the breeze. The smoker is almost ready to go. Later we will all gather as I read the Declaration of Independence aloud.

They will not take this day from me.
Posted by: Duke Lowell

Nice !

Posted by: JT at July 04, 2021 09:39 AM (arJlL)

273 What is Best? - a limerick

The epic hero, Conan, a Sumerian.
Fought a non-conformist anti-authoritarian
As portrayed by Robert Howard
Conan pwned the little coward
In a prequel titled "Bonin' The Contrarian"

Posted by: Muldoon at July 04, 2021 09:39 AM (Xwt96)

274 OK, folks, think I will make a cup of tea and read for a few hours.

Hope you all have a lovely day.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing

Backatcha MP4 !

Posted by: JT at July 04, 2021 09:39 AM (arJlL)

275 257 "Vanessa Williams will be singing the black national anthem tonight on PBS july 4th special, nuff saidL

Yup. Won't be watching this year. Oh Vanessa, how far you've fallen. It's a shame.
Posted by: Tuna at July 04, 2021 09:35 AM

I used to love going to all of the Capitol celebrations when I lived in Washington DC. Loved the symphony playing during the fireworks display.

Posted by: Moonbeam at July 04, 2021 09:40 AM (qe5CM)

276 Grandma beat me with a thesaurus.
You want to complain?? Our granddad used to beat us with a T. rex when we had been good!

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at July 04, 2021 09:40 AM (UHVv4)

277 "Be sure to watch Ted Lasso! It's great. "

Agreed. Such a cute show. The actors are wonderful. Counting the days until season 2.

Posted by: Tuna at July 04, 2021 09:40 AM (gLRfa)

278 They will not take this day from me.
Posted by: Duke Lowell

Nice !
Posted by: JT at July 04, 2021 09:39 AM (arJlL)

Kid2 is getting married, and my new in-laws will be immigrants who are very happy to be here and think the left is stupid. So that's a huge positive for me.

Posted by: CN at July 04, 2021 09:40 AM (ONvIw)

279 JT!!!

Good morning!

Posted by: Ladyl at July 04, 2021 09:41 AM (TdMsT)

280 276 Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at July 04, 2021 09:40 AM (UHVv4)

WILMA I'M HOME!

//Fred wielding a brontosaurus

Posted by: sven at July 04, 2021 09:41 AM (Lzpvj)

281 273 Conan was a Cimmerian.

Posted by: callsign claymore at July 04, 2021 09:41 AM (pC+Qx)

282
Well, Her Majesty just said if she loses today she'll come home today instead of tomorrow. Better get busy looking like I've done things around here these last three weeks.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 04, 2021 09:41 AM (mht8P)

283 OK, folks, think I will make a cup of tea and read for a few hours.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 04, 2021 09:38 AM (2JVJo)

Cuppa?...on the 4th? Drink some 'Murican stuff...bourbon!

Posted by: BignJames at July 04, 2021 09:41 AM (AwYPR)

284 It looks like General Warren's small-sword had a
catastrophic failure during the strength test and we can no longer
continue testing it.

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at July 04, 2021 09:38 AM (UHVv4)

there was a legit General Warren.

Posted by: Quint at July 04, 2021 09:41 AM (F2/Ok)

285 Sorry, folks, but flag-waving is a signal you're a White Supremacist...

https://twitter.com/ezralevant/status/
1411691668953341953

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at July 04, 2021 09:41 AM (UHVv4)

286 Pinterest has banned all weight-loss ads in order to "embrace body acceptance"

it gets worse than that

gyms are kicking out skinny girls for wearing crop tops that show they are skinny

Posted by: will choose a nic later at July 04, 2021 09:41 AM (bTQ72)

287 Kid2 is getting married, and my new in-laws will be immigrants who are very happy to be here and think the left is stupid. So that's a huge positive for me.
Posted by: CN

Congrats CN !

Posted by: JT at July 04, 2021 09:41 AM (arJlL)

288 Hiya Ladyl !

Happy Fourth !

Posted by: JT at July 04, 2021 09:42 AM (arJlL)

289 Eh, people oughta know by now that movies aren't books.

Movies are a purely visual medium, so they're going to show you the collapse - ie. 'splodey stuff and panicky crowds and zoom zoom zoom pew pew pew!!!

It's like with David Lynch's "DUNE". It's a remarkable shoehorning of a complex novel into a standard movie format. I think it's pretty great. Most fans of the novel hate it cuz it's not exactly the novel. Well, duh.

Same same with "Foundation".

The really important thing here is will Apple's "Foundation" have lots of sex and quality boobage and follow the "Game of Thrones" guidebook with lots of random murders of major characters. That's success, baby!

Posted by: naturalfake at July 04, 2021 09:42 AM (dWwl8)

290 congrats CN!

Posted by: vmom stabby stabbyt stabby stabamillion at July 04, 2021 09:43 AM (oEn12)

291 RE: Morrison as "irresponsible nihilistic hedonist who lived a suicidal lifestyle":

Incomplete; oversimplified; not the full picture. Whoever posted that must've seen the cartoonish Oliver Stone film, I suspect.

Ray Manzerak, who knew Morrison better than probably anyone, said he disliked Stone's film because it ignored Jim's prodigious talents and sense of humor.

Without Ray Manzerak on keyboards, there would've been no Doors, no Light My Fire.

Posted by: mnw at July 04, 2021 09:43 AM (Cssks)

292 I'm sure you've probably seen this but in case you haven't....oy

@RNCResearch

WATCH: Confused Joe Biden has to pull out notes to answer question on Russia

https://tinyurl.com/ygov2zlc

Not only does he pull out notes about Russia...he reads an IC briefing from his phone...to two clerks in the store! Batshit gone.

Posted by: Tami at July 04, 2021 09:43 AM (cF8AT)

293
Congrats CN !
Posted by: JT at July 04, 2021 09:41 AM (arJlL)

Thanks. We are very happy and happier still that the family isn't crazy lib

Posted by: CN at July 04, 2021 09:43 AM (ONvIw)

294 Wait for the pitch meeting

Yes thats probably the way it woll go.

Posted by: Alien covenant was worse at July 04, 2021 09:44 AM (hMlTh)

295 Grandma beat me with a thesaurus.

You want to complain?? Our granddad used to beat us with a T. rex when we had been good!

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at July 04, 2021 09:40 AM (UHVv4)

I had Encyclopedias that ended with Spanish Morocco.

Posted by: Quint at July 04, 2021 09:44 AM (F2/Ok)

296 https://twitter.com/ezralevant/status/
1411691668953341953
Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at July 04, 2021 09:41 AM (UHVv4)

I was pleased to see that some people were confronting the NYT's racist anti-Americanism, probably few from "the city", though.

Posted by: CN at July 04, 2021 09:45 AM (ONvIw)

297 Posted by: Moonbeam at July 04, 2021 09:37 AM (qe5CM)

thanks, will give Ted Lasso a try

KTE watched The Morning Show, so I saw a lot of it. Too drama-ey for me
It's based on Tater's book and he is a producer

Posted by: vmom stabby stabbyt stabby stabamillion at July 04, 2021 09:46 AM (oEn12)

298 290 congrats CN!
Posted by: vmom stabby stabbyt stabby stabamillion at July 04, 2021 09:43 AM (oEn12

Thanks!

Posted by: CN at July 04, 2021 09:46 AM (ONvIw)

299 Happy 4th all!

I'm spending it alone. Hubby is gone to son's house to work on a project he has going there. He was hesitant to leave because of my mishap on Thursday...I dislocated my artificial hip. But I'm doing pretty well so I told him to go.

Posted by: Tami at July 04, 2021 09:46 AM (cF8AT)

300 Walton Goggins could play Jim Morrison

Posted by: ... at July 04, 2021 09:47 AM (WDs/E)

301 Ouch Tami, I hope you feel better

Posted by: vmom stabby stabbyt stabby stabamillion at July 04, 2021 09:47 AM (oEn12)

302 Jumping into the who dis discussion; Jim Morrison was the most overrated member of the group. Manzarek, Krieger, and Densmore were all great but Morrison was a self-important drunk, mediocre singer, third rate poet and (with a few exceptions) third rate lyricist. IMHO. I must be truly getting settled into my new digs because I had the time yesterday to dip back into The Portable Faulkner. He certainly earned his spot in the pantheon.

Posted by: who knew at July 04, 2021 09:48 AM (4I7VG)

303 Today is also my wedding anniversary. Makes it easy to remember.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at July 04, 2021 09:48 AM (kTF2Z)

304 Kid2 is getting married, and my new in-laws will be
immigrants who are very happy to be here and think the left is stupid.
So that's a huge positive for me.

Posted by: CN at July 04, 2021 09:40 AM (ONvIw)

====================
best wishes to Kid2 !!

Posted by: Huck Follywood at July 04, 2021 09:48 AM (OOwtX)

305 gyms are kicking out skinny girls for wearing crop tops that show they are skinny
Posted by: will choose a nic later

they should wear burkhas, shameless hussies!

Posted by: vmom stabby stabbyt stabby stabamillion at July 04, 2021 09:48 AM (oEn12)

306
Slim Jim > Jim Morrison

Posted by: naturalfake at July 04, 2021 09:48 AM (dWwl8)

307 289 Lynch's "Dune" was a lot of fun.

Posted by: callsign claymore at July 04, 2021 09:48 AM (pC+Qx)

308 Happy Anniversary, Duke Lowell!

Posted by: vmom stabby stabbyt stabby stabamillion at July 04, 2021 09:48 AM (oEn12)

309 best wishes to Kid2 !!
Posted by: Huck Follywood at July 04, 2021 09:48 AM (OOwtX)

Thanks! I knew the choice was perfect, when they said they'd like some new 2A equipment as gifts, but did not know how to put them on the registry.

Posted by: CN at July 04, 2021 09:49 AM (ONvIw)

310 Thanks vmom! Worse pain I've ever experienced.
Oh and I've now experienced fentanyl. That shit last like 10 mins! Pffft.

Posted by: Tami at July 04, 2021 09:49 AM (cF8AT)

311 the last Jim I was in moved to Miami. - Milos, aka Dana Carvey, Just Shoot Me!

Posted by: Quint at July 04, 2021 09:49 AM (F2/Ok)

312 Pioneer Woman's daughter got married and they did a special about it. You may remember that her husband and nephew were in a bad traffic accident. Her husband has been wearing a neck brace but was still out cowboying around. He took it off for the wedding and it was clear that his neck was stiff. Nephew also seems to be doing well.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at July 04, 2021 09:50 AM (d9FiS)

313 Slowly working my way through Book 4 of the Buried Goddess Saga. (Slowly, because I'm only reading it at the park, and I can only get to the park every couple of days.) Its a fairly standard fantasy epic, with each chapter switching to a new character's perspective. Mostly good. But the problem with book 4 is that they've introduced a new character who I really don't like, and I'm rooting for her (and her side) to fail. Its very easy to close the book and go home whenever I get to another of her chapters...

Posted by: Castle Guy at July 04, 2021 09:50 AM (Lhaco)

314 Congrats CN! Nice when the in-laws align politically! Makes family gatherings much nicer.

Posted by: Tami at July 04, 2021 09:50 AM (cF8AT)

315 Just got the second book in the Brandon Sanderson The Stormlight Archive series. Another 1000 page tome. Even the librarian was impressed with the book's girth. You know I had to be really really into the first book in order to take on a second one of that length.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at July 04, 2021 09:52 AM (sd8p8)

316 312 Pioneer Woman's daughter got married and they did a special about it. You may remember that her husband and nephew were in a bad traffic accident. Her husband has been wearing a neck brace but was still out cowboying around. He took it off for the wedding and it was clear that his neck was stiff. Nephew also seems to be doing well.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at July 04, 2021 09:50 AM (d9FiS)

Ouch. Kid1's husband also worse a neck brace to the wedding. About 8 weeks prior he was struck by a muslim taxi driver, who fled the country.

Posted by: CN at July 04, 2021 09:52 AM (ONvIw)

317 211 Just finished reading "War and Peace", the Mount Everest of novels. A short description, or even a long one does not do it justice. Fatalistic, with lots of dark humor and sarcasm.
Posted by: Toad-O at July 04, 2021 09:21 AM

The mention of that book always reminds me of a GREAT Cheers episode where Sam reads the book to prove to Diane that he is intellectual.

Posted by: Moonbeam at July 04, 2021 09:52 AM (qe5CM)

318 Today is also my wedding anniversary. Makes it easy to remember.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at July 04, 2021 09:48 AM (kTF2Z)

How could you forget when the Fourth of July is anyway? It's literally in the name.

Posted by: ... at July 04, 2021 09:52 AM (WDs/E)

319 281 273 Conan was a Cimmerian.
Posted by: callsign claymore at July 04, 2021 09:41 AM (pC+Qx)

I think everyone knows that since he was the spokesman for -

Cimmerian Toast Crunch cereal.

They'r-r-re Barbaric!!

Posted by: naturalfake at July 04, 2021 09:53 AM (dWwl8)

320 Much as I admire the 3 other Doors, people paid to see & hear... Morrison.

There are a lot of "high-functioning alcoholics," btw.

Manzarek & Densmore wrote books. Manzarek's was "My Life With the Doors," as best I can recall.

I think before dismissing Morrison as just a no-talent drunk, one ought to read what these gifted musicians had to say about their colleague.

Posted by: mnw at July 04, 2021 09:54 AM (Cssks)

321 314 Congrats CN! Nice when the in-laws align politically! Makes family gatherings much nicer.
Posted by: Tami at July 04, 2021 09:50 AM (cF8AT)

It sure does, but you never know how people will change. My husband's family was pretty decent, but became increasingly lib and are now rabid. I love reminding them that they donated heavily to Lazio against Hillary. As is often the case they lost their minds due to Obama.

Posted by: CN at July 04, 2021 09:54 AM (ONvIw)

322 Conan was a Cimmerian.

*****

Thanks for pointing that out. If there's one thing I strive for it's historical accuracy in my mentions of fictional characters. I stopped being interested in Conan with his rippling muscles, loincloth and "broadsword" (wink, nudge) when I turned 13 and realized I liked girls.

Posted by: Muldoon at July 04, 2021 09:54 AM (Xwt96)

323 297- KTE watched The Morning Show, so I saw a lot of it. Too drama-ey for me
It's based on Tater's book and he is a producer
Posted by: vmom stabby stabbyt stabby stabamillion at July 04, 2021 09:46 AM

I know ;-(. I was telling a friend that there's a lot of lady rage in it, but I want to see what happens.

Posted by: Moonbeam at July 04, 2021 09:54 AM (qe5CM)

324 I thought The Cimmerian was a dirty book from Renaissance Italy??

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at July 04, 2021 09:55 AM (UHVv4)

325 The mention of that book always reminds me of a
GREAT Cheers episode where Sam reads the book to prove to Diane that he
is intellectual.

Posted by: Moonbeam at July 04, 2021 09:52 AM (qe5CM)

that was a good one. Also, in Seinfeld, they claimed the original title was "War, what is it good for?"

Posted by: Quint at July 04, 2021 09:55 AM (F2/Ok)

326 Congratulations Duke

Posted by: Skip at July 04, 2021 09:55 AM (Cxk7w)

327 No One Here Gets Out Alive (1981). Morrison biography I read way back when is a good light read. Too long ago for me to give any critique.

A lot of it is about the times, what was going on here and there. Like the Acid Test, just read it in pieces.

Posted by: klaftern at July 04, 2021 09:56 AM (r4sI4)

328
morrison died at like age 27
started the doors at what 19?

short life

Posted by: will choose a nic later at July 04, 2021 09:57 AM (bTQ72)

329 The book is MADE to be serialized, yet they totally screwed it up and completely missed the point.
So it went Kaboom! ??

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at July 04, 2021 09:57 AM (UHVv4)

330 I thought The Cimmerian was a dirty book from Renaissance Italy??

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at July 04, 2021 09:55 AM (UHVv4)

ISWYDT

Posted by: Quint at July 04, 2021 09:57 AM (F2/Ok)

331 Venus "With A Penis" Williams > Vanessa Williams

Posted by: Iron Mike Tyson at July 04, 2021 09:59 AM (R/m4+)

332 322 Glad I could help!

Posted by: callsign claymore at July 04, 2021 10:00 AM (pC+Qx)

333 It's like with David Lynch's "DUNE". It's a remarkable shoehorning of a complex novel into a standard movie format. I think it's pretty great. Most fans of the novel hate it cuz it's not exactly the novel. Well, duh.

Same same with "Foundation".

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I've got to disagree. At least Lynch's Dune got the major themes right. He only screwed up of the technology in the 2nd half and increased the Sting character a bit out of proportion. That and the occasional unintended hysterical line (e.g., I am the Shadout Mapes, the housekeeper; Because he IS the Kwisatz Hadderach!). Dune's visual, almost steampunk, art design was perfect. The first half of the movie was terrific, the second half only so so. Overall, it was a good effort.

This trailer shows that the miniseries might be called Foundation, but will have absolutely no resemblance to the Asimov trilogy.

Posted by: MichiCanuck at July 04, 2021 10:01 AM (vKmXR)

334 See you later. Things to do.

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at July 04, 2021 10:04 AM (UHVv4)

335 lots of "well, awkshully...." commenting today.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at July 04, 2021 10:04 AM (OOwtX)

336 No Star Spangled Banner on the 4th? Cultural revolution is in full swing, then.

Posted by: Ziba at July 04, 2021 10:05 AM (S1hrL)

337 Have any of the horde who recommended Windswept House, have any insight into Hostage to the Devil?

Can you imagine Malachi Martin on the NYT bestseller list today? We have fallen far.

Posted by: CN at July 04, 2021 10:05 AM (ONvIw)

338 Tanith Lee?

Sapphire Wine?
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 04, 2021 09:18 AM (VbZvH)

I liked the Don't Bite the Sun series very much (both books I suppose it is a series)
I think it was the fact that the narrator didn't fit, and wound up re-creating the world where she would fit. That and the stupid critters that were essentially every feral kitten I have adopted . . .

Posted by: Kindltot at July 04, 2021 10:05 AM (ySM85)

339 If this is your first day at Spy Cub....you have to spy and bring me some commas.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at July 04, 2021 10:07 AM (d6gDP)

340 I would totally read a posthumous Jim Morrison autobiography.

Posted by: Muldoon at July 04, 2021 10:08 AM (Xwt96)

341 Commas are meant to be sprinkled, duh.

Posted by: Ziba at July 04, 2021 10:09 AM (S1hrL)

342 I would totally read a posthumous Jim Morrison autobiography.

Posted by: Muldoon at July 04, 2021 10:08 AM (Xwt96)

MoJo Rising.

Posted by: BignJames at July 04, 2021 10:09 AM (AwYPR)

343 Morrison's gravesite at Pere Lachaise is leased, not owned.* The cemetery association plans to send Jim back here, where the buffalo roam, eventually. The cemetery doesn't like all those pilgrims who visit his gravesite-- & leave graffiti.

*who but the French could've thought THAT up?

Posted by: mnw at July 04, 2021 10:11 AM (Cssks)

344 336 No Star Spangled Banner on the 4th? Cultural revolution is in full swing, then.
Posted by: Ziba at July 04, 2021 10:05 AM (S1hrL)

Two short years ago we attended a very nice event with patriotic music, a reading of The Declaration of Independence, followed by it being sung (the 5th Dimension version), and lots of fireworks. There is something scheduled at Battlefield Park, but we fear that the leftists will show up to protest. Apparently donations to the event have fallen sharply, as well which reflects the University's stupidity and changing demographics.

Posted by: CN at July 04, 2021 10:11 AM (ONvIw)

345 "...I dislocated my artificial hip. But I'm doing pretty well so I told him to go.
Posted by: Tami "

Ouchies. Stay well.

Posted by: Tuna at July 04, 2021 10:12 AM (gLRfa)

346 337 Hey CN, "Hostage" is a worthwhile read.

You may want to read Fr. Gabriele Amorth's "An Exorcist Tells His Story" and "An Exorcist: More Stories" to add some depth to the broad brushes of "Hostage."

Posted by: callsign claymore at July 04, 2021 10:12 AM (pC+Qx)

347 Only someone skilled at faking orgasms could write that.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at July 04, 2021 10:12 AM (d6gDP)

348 346 337 Hey CN, "Hostage" is a worthwhile read.

You may want to read Fr. Gabriele Amorth's "An Exorcist Tells His Story" and "An Exorcist: More Stories" to add some depth to the broad brushes of "Hostage."
Posted by: callsign claymore at July 04, 2021 10:12 AM (pC+Qx)

Thanks.

Posted by: CN at July 04, 2021 10:12 AM (ONvIw)

349 No, the dirty Italian book is the Silmarillion.

Posted by: Trimegistus at July 04, 2021 10:13 AM (QZxDR)

350 I expect you're right. I would love for
"Juneteenth" to become as much of a cultural joke as "Kwanzaa," but too
many people have an interest in race wars for that to happen.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 04, 2021 09:36 AM (2JVJo)

Juneteenth, when Democrats were forced to admit the truth

Posted by: Kindltot at July 04, 2021 10:13 AM (ySM85)

351 Muldoon, I'm not looking to sharpshoot. I like your limericks fwiw

Posted by: callsign claymore at July 04, 2021 10:15 AM (pC+Qx)

352
Juneteenth, when Democrats were forced to admit the truth
Posted by: Kindltot at July 04, 2021 10:13 AM (ySM85)

Except the two sides have totes changed places and all that jazz/s. Seems it's happening again as the foremer slaver democrats, now known as republicans, are calling to defund the police!/s

Posted by: CN at July 04, 2021 10:15 AM (ONvIw)

353 Now that the flag is divisive (NYT) and the Statue of Liberty irrelevant (NYT) and CRT is backed by the largest teachers' union in the nation, let us enjoy this day while we can. Happy Independence Day. Long live the USA!

Posted by: Ziba at July 04, 2021 10:16 AM (S1hrL)

354 *who but the French could've thought THAT up?

Posted by: mnw at July 04, 2021 10:11 AM (Cssks)

they are actually pretty smart if not morbid. I recall anyone who dies in Paris can be buried there. But it is a very old city and the cemetaries are cramped. I recall for hundreds of years you had to have someone visit your grave or it was put on a clock. If no one visited it for a certain amount of years, it could be dug up and replaced by someone else. Wealthy people, would pay to have a mourner come by now and then. Yes it is morbid, but it is a very old city.

Posted by: Quint at July 04, 2021 10:16 AM (F2/Ok)

355 348 CN, was there something specific you had in mind about "Hostage?"

Posted by: callsign claymore at July 04, 2021 10:16 AM (pC+Qx)

356 The book is MADE to be serialized, yet they totally screwed it up and completely missed the point. Psychohistory is the star. What a disappointment.

Posted by: MichiCanuck at July 04, 2021 08:41 AM (vKmXR)

I don't understand how you can say that they "totally screwed it up" when you haven't even seen it...?

Also your complaint that it is a book made to be serialized: you do known that this adaptation is, in fact, a series, right?

You may well be right that it will turn out to be garbage. But I think I'm going to give it a chance to prove itself.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at July 04, 2021 10:16 AM (nkMeH)

357 340 I would totally read a posthumous Jim Morrison autobiography.
Posted by: Muldoon at July 04, 2021 10:08 AM (Xwt96)

This would not shock me a bit. I'm surprised one of the hacks that reinvent other novelists hasn't done this.

Posted by: CN at July 04, 2021 10:17 AM (ONvIw)

358 I've seen a surprising number of people walking around in stars an stripes apparel. Push back?

Posted by: Tuna at July 04, 2021 10:17 AM (gLRfa)

359 MoJo Rising.
Posted by: BignJames

*****

Hmm. I wasn't familiar with that. Had to look it up on the world wide web.

Mr. Mojo Risin'

I'm not great with anagrams.

Posted by: Muldoon at July 04, 2021 10:17 AM (Xwt96)

360 I read War & Peace last year. It's not a "hard book." The story is pretty simple, Tolstoy comes out and tells you what everyone is thinking and what their motivations are. The only tricky bit is the names, but if you pay attention that's not a huge problem. The plot, such as it is, is mostly an excuse to put Pierre or some other viewpoint character into the main battles of Napoleon's invasion of Russia.

Posted by: Trimegistus at July 04, 2021 10:18 AM (QZxDR)

361 358 I've seen a surprising number of people walking around in stars an stripes apparel. Push back?
Posted by: Tuna at July 04, 2021 10:17 AM (gLRfa)

Hope so.

Posted by: CN at July 04, 2021 10:18 AM (ONvIw)

362 I would totally read a posthumous Jim Morrison autobiography. Posted by: Muldoon

This would not shock me a bit. I'm surprised one of the hacks that reinvent other novelists hasn't done this. Posted by: CN

****

Yeah. He'd probably just hire a ghost writer.

Posted by: Muldoon at July 04, 2021 10:19 AM (Xwt96)

363 Book nerds!

Posted by: Ogre at July 04, 2021 10:19 AM (KnJdm)

364
Yeah. He'd probably just hire a ghost writer.
Posted by: Muldoon at July 04, 2021 10:19 AM (Xwt96)

...of course.

Posted by: CN at July 04, 2021 10:21 AM (ONvIw)

365 Muldoon, you are always 'on'.
Good morning everyone.

Posted by: DB- just DB (iTXRQ) at July 04, 2021 10:21 AM (iTXRQ)

366 Thanks for pointing that out. If there's one thing I
strive for it's historical accuracy in my mentions of fictional
characters. I stopped being interested in Conan with his rippling
muscles, loincloth and "broadsword" (wink, nudge) when I turned 13 and
realized I liked girls.
Posted by: Muldoon at July 04, 2021 09:54 AM (Xwt96)

I discovered the Kane books by Karl Edward Wagner, I always liked them, they had actual politics in them, and Kane was . . . Not Cimmerian,

Posted by: Kindltot at July 04, 2021 10:22 AM (ySM85)

367 Wearing the Stars and Stripes used to be an anti-war statement back in the 60s and hippie days

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 04, 2021 10:22 AM (Irn0L)

368 They both ripped off the greatest band of all time, The Linoleum!

Posted by: naturalfake

The Linoleum sucked once Floor Wax quit the band to become a dessert topping.

Posted by: davidt at July 04, 2021 10:22 AM (iz6eW)

369 The pope is in the hospital having surgery for a constricted something

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 04, 2021 10:23 AM (Irn0L)

370 I've seen a surprising number of people walking around in stars an stripes apparel. Push back?

Posted by: Tuna at July 04, 2021 10:17 AM (gLRfa)

Old Town Alexandria in VA is uber lefty. It is uber rich too but also uber lefty. These rich people not from Virginia parade these old homes, these historic homes put on the historic register. Go there any time, not just on holidays, but any time. Almost every home has an American flag, and many use the Betsy Ross Flag or the Colonial American flag. To be honest, as someone who knows the place, I think it is kind of an in joke. Not everything is what it looks like.

Posted by: Quint at July 04, 2021 10:23 AM (F2/Ok)

371 Pope Francis was hospitalized in Rome for what the Vatican said was scheduled surgery for an abnormal narrowing of his large intestine.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 04, 2021 10:23 AM (Irn0L)

372 367 Wearing the Stars and Stripes used to be an anti-war statement back in the 60s and hippie days
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 04, 2021 10:22 AM (Irn0L)

I recall that well, but usually it was a tattered affair with a "peace symbol" added.

Posted by: CN at July 04, 2021 10:24 AM (ONvIw)

373 371 Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 04, 2021 10:23 AM (Irn0L)

Red Frank exercises his love tunnel a lot evidently.

Posted by: sven at July 04, 2021 10:25 AM (Lzpvj)

374 Except the two sides have totes changed places and
all that jazz/s. Seems it's happening again as the foremer slaver
democrats, now known as republicans, are calling to defund the police!/s
Posted by: CN at July 04, 2021 10:15 AM (ONvIw)

Juneteenth, when the Democrats were forced to tell the truth. Make them do it again.

Posted by: Kindltot at July 04, 2021 10:25 AM (ySM85)

375 Yeah. He'd probably just hire a ghost writer.

Posted by: Muldoon at July 04, 2021 10:19 AM (Xwt96)

================
If the spirit moved him, yes

Posted by: Huck Follywood at July 04, 2021 10:26 AM (OOwtX)

376 I still think the Coopertone commercial with the black lady and kid as the main focus sums up how ridiculously woke our society has become,

Posted by: Just a side note at July 04, 2021 10:26 AM (2DOZq)

377 If its true conservatives are this generations dissenters and anti-establishmentarians, who are our beat movement writers?

Posted by: Huck Follywood at July 04, 2021 10:27 AM (OOwtX)

378 The whole "throwing rotten fruits and vegetables" thing has always left me scratching my head. What happened if it was a *good* play? They just said, "Oh well, guess we'll just toss these rotten fruits and vegetables out on the way home?"

Getting ready for a night at the theater: "OK honey, the babysitter's here, we're all dressed up...oh, drat, where are the rotten fruits and vegetables? We're all out? Better go borrow some from the neighbors!"

A whole theater full of people holding bags of rotten fruits and vegetables must have smelled wonderful.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at July 04, 2021 10:28 AM (Bmy3R)

379 The book thread is so eclectic.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at July 04, 2021 10:28 AM (sd8p8)

380 Wait until the Olympics and you can see athletes use the flag as a shawl. That always bugged the crap out me even though the intention was to honor the country.

Posted by: Just a side note at July 04, 2021 10:28 AM (2DOZq)

381 Growing up in Texas, I learned about Juneteenth. I never thought it was something to celebrate. Hey everybody, we just found out about something everyone else has known about for a couple of years! Yay us!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at July 04, 2021 10:29 AM (kTF2Z)

382 Except the two sides have totes changed places and all that jazz/s. Seems it's happening again as the foremer slaver democrats, now known as republicans, are calling to defund the police!/s

Posted by: CN at July 04, 2021 10:15 AM (ONvIw)

Well, I don't know about defunding the (local) police, but the FBI? I'm totally in favor of having that conversation.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at July 04, 2021 10:29 AM (nkMeH)

383 Well, I don't know about defunding the (local) police, but the FBI? I'm totally in favor of having that conversation.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at July 04, 2021 10:29 AM (nkMeH)

I agree. Sooner rather than later.

Posted by: CN at July 04, 2021 10:30 AM (ONvIw)

384 377 If its true conservatives are this generations dissenters and anti-establishmentarians, who are our beat movement writers?
Posted by: Huck Follywood at July 04, 2021 10:27 AM (OOwtX)

Not Ben Shapiro. Please don't say Ben Shapiro.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at July 04, 2021 10:30 AM (nkMeH)

385 Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at July 04, 2021 10:29 AM (nkMeH)

Was it the author of that book doing all the photoshops? I even saw Marilyn Monroe reading it. Interesting publicity.

Posted by: CN at July 04, 2021 10:31 AM (ONvIw)

386 384 Ace, VDH, and a few others.

Posted by: CN at July 04, 2021 10:32 AM (ONvIw)

387 The "pelting with rotten fruit" was part of the institution of the "clacque." Basically they were tough guys who would run a protection racket on the theater managers and/or performers. Bribe them well and you get cheers, standing ovations, and beating up critics. Fail to bribe them and you get catcalls, whistles, and thrown fruit. Inevitably, rival actors or theater companies would start counter-bribing them.

Posted by: Trimegistus at July 04, 2021 10:32 AM (QZxDR)

388 I've used the kayfabe metaphor a lot over the years. I think it's even better than the Globetrotters one. The Globetrotters/Generals rivalry is sort of a one-off thing, done over and over again the same way. But kayfabe is broader - it's the way a whole industry works, with thousands of players and a whole, big fat book of theatrical legerdemain and parlor tricks. Moreover, in pro-Wrestling the whole kayfabe thing is part of the relationship between the actors, who a lot of times are really best buds behind the camera.

Kayfabe is really the best comparison for the US' elected government... But in the WWE, the writing and acting is much more believable.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 04, 2021 10:32 AM (8eZqr)

389 If its true conservatives are this generations dissenters and anti-establishmentarians, who are our beat movement writers?
Posted by: Huck Follywood at July 04, 2021 10:27 AM (OOwtX)

Cernovitch, Malice, Bob Murphy, the Babylon Bee.

Gawd help us, Brion McClanahan

The problem is that Conservative Beat Movement writing sounds like "4-4 time" Probably no syncopation.

Posted by: Kindltot at July 04, 2021 10:32 AM (ySM85)

390 384 And Julie Kelly, I guess

Posted by: CN at July 04, 2021 10:32 AM (ONvIw)

391 Well, I don't know about defunding the (local) police, but the FBI? I'm totally in favor of having that conversation.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor Social Distancing Professional at July 04, 2021 10:29 AM

j. edgar hoover started the ball rolling on the corruption of the fbi and it continues to this day, they need to go away and give their stuff to the US Marshalls.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at July 04, 2021 10:34 AM (JUOKG)

392 Growing up in Texas, I learned about Juneteenth. I
never thought it was something to celebrate. Hey everybody, we just
found out about something everyone else has known about for a couple of
years! Yay us!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at July 04, 2021 10:29 AM (kTF2Z)

there were some pretty big celebrations in East Texas. They were community get togethers. What it is now is something very different. I think it has become less Texan over the years and now for sure it is not a Texan event.

Who knows what will be next. My guess for several years has been The Alamo. I would watch that one and try like Hell to at least preserve what it used to be. Even that is too late, no way it was like it was in the 70s and 80s. I don't think the same people curate the place, and that is no accident. My suggestion is to try to keep it at least where it is today, historically.

Posted by: Quint at July 04, 2021 10:36 AM (F2/Ok)

393 j. edgar hoover started the ball rolling on the
corruption of the fbi and it continues to this day, they need to go away
and give their stuff to the US Marshalls.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at July 04, 2021 10:34 AM (JUOKG)

I would be happy if they had the crime lab and databases, but yes, they act like the Okhrana now.

Posted by: Kindltot at July 04, 2021 10:37 AM (ySM85)

394 If its true conservatives are this generations dissenters and anti-establishmentarians, who are our beat movement writers?
Posted by: Huck Follywood at July 04, 2021 10:27 AM (OOwtX)

I don't know about beat, but Sowell, VDH, Ace.

Posted by: flounder at July 04, 2021 10:39 AM (KnJdm)

395 FBI employs 35,000 plus. Do we really want our streets roamed upon thusly? Will make for an interesting tell y'all book.

Posted by: klaftern at July 04, 2021 10:39 AM (r4sI4)

396 Mr. Mojorisin

Posted by: VisionHarry at July 04, 2021 10:39 AM (8iyB1)

397 Happy Independence Day Hordemates!!!

Posted by: Diogenes at July 04, 2021 10:39 AM (kJqVf)

398 An anonymous donor gave a nearby town $5K to help with their budget issues. The catch? It had to go towards all the people in town and not just POC.

The town spent it all on fireworks. <-- American

Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 04, 2021 10:40 AM (3H9h1)

399 Posted by: Quint at July 04, 2021 10:36 AM (F2/Ok)

The Texas Land Commissioner is responsible for the Alamo.

Posted by: Just a side note at July 04, 2021 10:40 AM (2DOZq)

400 Ace is more of a beatdown movement writer.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 04, 2021 10:40 AM (8eZqr)

401 395 FBI employs 35,000 plus. Do we really want our streets roamed upon thusly? Will make for an interesting tell y'all book.
Posted by: klaftern at July 04, 2021 10:39 AM (r4sI4)

I'm sure their antifa buddies will provide them with jobs and weaponry.

Posted by: CN at July 04, 2021 10:41 AM (ONvIw)

402 If its true conservatives are this generations dissenters and anti-establishmentarians, who are our beat movement writers?
Posted by: Huck Follywood at July 04, 2021 10:27 AM

Cernovitch, Malice, Bob Murphy, the Babylon Bee.

Posted by: Kindltot at July 04, 2021 10:32 AM (ySM85)(OOwtX)

Don't know about Cernovich, but Malice is no conservative. He's an anarcho-whatever. He's "conservative" only insofar as he is not an unhinged loony lefty.

One more thing: Babylon Bee > Merry Pranksters.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at July 04, 2021 10:41 AM (nkMeH)

403 We had fireworks here last night, but you weren't allowed to go see them. Not officially, anyway. You could just go to a local park or somewhere you could see them, on your own, but no official celebrations.

Considering what the holiday is supposedly celebrating, that's some bitter irony right there.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at July 04, 2021 10:41 AM (Bmy3R)

404 "I am now living in clown world and everything I'm seeing, particularly from Washington DC, is being staged."

it's not just a feeling ... FBI told us White Supremacists are the nations greatest (domestic terrorist?) threat. This is The Big Lie and they use it to frame "Trump's White Supremacist Insurgency", which is another FBI PsyOp to offset the real Trump Rally. Add in oligarch control of BigTech and MFM (in harmony with FBI's worst) ... and here we are.

FBI is a secret police, not a local police. But their current gang is a seditious/treasonous monster that serves the oligarchs, and their plans for a NWO. (how directly that is tied to the Birchers' old commies in the mist, idk)

Posted by: illiniwek at July 04, 2021 10:42 AM (Cus5s)

405 Almost spit out my coffee. My hard left neighbors - he is a retired perfesser need I say more? - have a bunch of red white and blue decorations on the porch.

Guess they are celebrating the Marxist revolution?

Posted by: Joe XiDen at July 04, 2021 10:43 AM (hJ8kQ)

406 404: I remember the dread I felt when Wray said that for the first time. I knew that the DOJ was bad to the bone at that point.

Posted by: CN at July 04, 2021 10:44 AM (ONvIw)

407 The Texas Land Commissioner is responsible for the Alamo.

Posted by: Just a side note at July 04, 2021 10:40 AM (2DOZq)
it was The Daughters of the Republic of Texas for many decades until recently. Now search "reimagining the Alamo", check that, don't.

Posted by: Quint at July 04, 2021 10:44 AM (F2/Ok)

408 405 Almost spit out my coffee. My hard left neighbors - he is a retired perfesser need I say more? - have a bunch of red white and blue decorations on the porch.

Guess they are celebrating the Marxist revolution?
Posted by: Joe XiDen at July 04, 2021 10:43 AM (hJ8kQ)

They are saying "This is ours and we will make it what WE want"

Posted by: CN at July 04, 2021 10:44 AM (ONvIw)

409 VAT. Come for the books, stay for the art musuem.

Posted by: Count de Monet, checked out of the Heartbreak Hotel (4I/2K) at July 04, 2021 10:45 AM (4I/2K)

410 Via infogalactic (thanks to whichever moron pointed out the fantastic non-wikipedia online source)

"Chekism (from Cheka, the first Soviet secret police organization) is a term to describe the situation in the Soviet Union and contemporary Russia, where the secret political police control everything in society"

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Juneteenth, because we need to celebrate whites being badass at July 04, 2021 10:45 AM (BGev3)

411 Who didn't see the Jan 6 reichstag fire happening from a thousand miles away except for Trump?

Posted by: Just a side note at July 04, 2021 10:46 AM (2DOZq)

412 Malice says we can't forgive the lockdowners. But in my heart I know I have to, at some point. I'm just not a big enough person to bring myself to that point yet. The mass child abuse alone stops me cold, without even getting to the flattening of the middle and working classes and everything else they've done that seems unforgiveable.

But I have to forgive. I won't let my heart become as black and cold as theirs. And I have to do it for myself. And because I'm a Christian. Just waiting for the Spirit to move me to forgiveness, because I need some help from above on this one. I know it will come.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at July 04, 2021 10:46 AM (Bmy3R)

413 J.D. VANCE: If you look at every issue in this country, every issue I believe traces back to this fact:
On the one hand, the elites in the ruling class in this country are robbing us blind,
and on the other, if you dare complain about it, you are a bad person.

Posted by: rhennigantx at July 04, 2021 10:46 AM (yrol0)

414 410

So like America?

Posted by: Joe XiDen at July 04, 2021 10:47 AM (hJ8kQ)

415 Guess they are celebrating the Marxist revolution?
Posted by: Joe XiDen at July 04, 2021 10:43 AM (hJ8kQ)

I've noticed the "Hate Has No Home Here," BLM-flag-flying crowd in my neighborhood has all become very patriotic since they stole the election.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at July 04, 2021 10:47 AM (Bmy3R)

416 Sniff Sniff, what stinks in here

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 04, 2021 10:48 AM (Irn0L)

417
But I have to forgive. I won't let my heart become as black and cold as theirs. And I have to do it for myself. And because I'm a Christian. Just waiting for the Spirit to move me to forgiveness, because I need some help from above on this one. I know it will come.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at July 04, 2021 10:46 AM (Bmy3R)

They are not seeking forgiveness or admitting error, )and seem to be plotting more misery), until that time, they are cruel bastards and unforgiven.

Posted by: CN at July 04, 2021 10:48 AM (ONvIw)

418 Has anyone seen Dr. Fauxi recently? He seems to have dropped off the face of the earth in the past couple of weeks.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at July 04, 2021 10:48 AM (hJ8kQ)

419 Forgiveness is fine. Trust doesn't return.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Juneteenth, because we need to celebrate whites being badass at July 04, 2021 10:48 AM (BGev3)

420 395 FBI employs 35,000 plus. Do we really want our streets roamed upon thusly? Will make for an interesting tell y'all book.
Posted by: klaftern at July 04, 2021 10:39 AM (r4sI4)

I includes about 3 out of 5 KKK members.

Posted by: rhennigantx at July 04, 2021 10:49 AM (yrol0)

421 418 Probably plotting a delta variant strike on liberty.

Posted by: CN at July 04, 2021 10:49 AM (ONvIw)

422 I've noticed the "Hate Has No Home Here," BLM-flag-flying crowd in my neighborhood has all become very patriotic since they stole the election.
Posted by: Guy Smiley at July 04, 2021 10:47 AM (Bmy3R)

***

Almost like they're wearing it like a skin-suit?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Juneteenth, because we need to celebrate whites being badass at July 04, 2021 10:49 AM (BGev3)

423 Ixnay on the cheese baskets.

Posted by: Pope Francis at July 04, 2021 10:49 AM (4I/2K)

424 418 Has anyone seen Dr. Fauxi recently? He seems to have dropped off the face of the earth in the past couple of weeks.
Posted by: Joe XiDen at July 04, 2021 10:48 AM (hJ8kQ)

His is on TIkTOk and the like wth quote unquote influencers.

Posted by: rhennigantx at July 04, 2021 10:50 AM (yrol0)

425 419 Forgiveness is fine. Trust doesn't return.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Juneteenth, because we need to celebrate whites being badass at July 04, 2021 10:48 AM (BGev3)

Unless they are punished in this life, they will continue to be a destructive force.

Posted by: CN at July 04, 2021 10:50 AM (ONvIw)

426 411 A lot of conservative Americans simply cannot or will not come to grips with what communists have in store for them.

Posted by: callsign claymore at July 04, 2021 10:51 AM (pC+Qx)

427
Almost like they're wearing it like a skin-suit?
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Juneteenth, because we need to celebrate whites being badass at July 04, 2021 10:49 AM (BGev3)

Yep, and one that they will mold into their own hideous likeness.

Posted by: CN at July 04, 2021 10:51 AM (ONvIw)

428 I keep seeing shit in the msm about variants and new cases breaking out and all sorts of Rona nonsense again.

It is so weird because in my daily life the plandemic stopped being a thing almost a year ago. I cannot remember the last time I saw anyone wearing a mask either.

John Edwards was right we do live in two Americas.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at July 04, 2021 10:51 AM (hJ8kQ)

429 Foundation. New Series. An Apple Original. From one of the visionary minds behind Batman Begins and Man of Steel... (oh yeah...ahem) based on the groundbreaking novels by Isaac Asimov

...nice of Apple and Mr Visionary to throw Isaac some credit. Pikers.

One lesson I took away from Game of Thrones is how much I have taken Good Writing for granted. "Oh, JRR Martin is busy doing the talk show circuit to soak in his 15 mins of fame instead of finishing off the last book? No worries, I'm sure Weiss & Benioff can cobble together a decent script, or hire the best screenplay writers in Hollywood. Right?" LOL Nope.

Asimov's credits should have been first.

Posted by: Hoyt's Turkish Troll Provocateur at July 04, 2021 10:51 AM (83lwH)

430 Waiting for news on my cousin's interview with Dave Rubin in NYC yesterday.

How cool would that be? My red-pilled, MAGA Hollywood cousin who's been desperately trying to get out of H'wood before she gets found out and cancelled, but really wants to stay in "The Biz" because it's all she's ever done, is a finalist for a position with one of my favorite political commentators, and he's moving his base to south FL so she'd be moving there if she gets it.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at July 04, 2021 10:52 AM (Bmy3R)

431 John Edwards was right we do live in two Americas.
Posted by: Joe XiDen at July 04, 2021 10:51 AM (hJ8kQ)

Masks still rule in most of NJ. The signs are still up and I saw plenty of masked people running today. It's sick

Posted by: CN at July 04, 2021 10:52 AM (ONvIw)

432 They are not seeking forgiveness or admitting error,
)and seem to be plotting more misery), until that time, they are cruel
bastards and unforgiven.

Posted by: CN at July 04, 2021 10:48 AM (ONvIw)

This.

Posted by: flounder at July 04, 2021 10:53 AM (KnJdm)

433 Ok, I get a 'kayfabe' now. But then, what is a jamoke? (Non Bensonhurst meaning)
Posted by: Tonypete at July 04, 2021 08:13 AM (HhcV+)

I think "kayfabe" is too much inside baseball to ever gain much currency in general discourse. You have to actually care about pro wrestling to even get the context.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 04, 2021 10:53 AM (PDeg8)

434 Second week of working my way through Hofstadter's Godel, Escher, and Bach.

Holy smokes is this not an easy read. Doesn't help that every time a Bach piece is mentioned I feel compelled to play it on youtube.

(The Crab Canon on a Mobius Strip video was really awesome, and totally worth it.)

Posted by: squeakywheel at July 04, 2021 10:53 AM (H3YxZ)

435 Unless they are punished in this life, they will continue to be a destructive force.

**

Oh, I absolutely agree. Any legal punishment would be applicable up to the maximum allowed by law.

But it's a pipe dream, sadly. If I learned anything from the last 1.5 years, it's that there don't have to be two sets of laws, just two sets of enforcement.
And we're on the punitive side of reception, and for nothing more than wanting what's best freedom and economically and security wise for our fellow Americans that we love.

We're headed nowhere good.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Juneteenth, because we need to celebrate whites being badass at July 04, 2021 10:53 AM (BGev3)

436 A lot of conservative Americans simply cannot or will not come to grips with what communists have in store for them.

Posted by: callsign claymore at July 04, 2021 10:51 AM (pC+Qx)

And this.

Posted by: flounder at July 04, 2021 10:54 AM (KnJdm)

437 @ElectionWiz

WHOA: Truck packed with fireworks explodes in Ocean City, Maryland.

https://tinyurl.com/yfwqjzjr

Posted by: Tami at July 04, 2021 10:54 AM (cF8AT)

438 Not unexpectedly, The Tolkien Society is going Woke.

Posted by: davidt at July 04, 2021 10:55 AM (iz6eW)

439
We're headed nowhere good.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Juneteenth, because we need to celebrate whites being badass at July 04, 2021 10:53 AM (BGev3)

Yes. And that's why it's good to see Trump saying that and it even showing up in The Tablet. The two sets of justice is despicable, as is the fact that Barr was in on that gig. Hard to win when we have no "side".

Posted by: CN at July 04, 2021 10:56 AM (ONvIw)

440 But I have to forgive. I won't let my heart become as black and cold as theirs. And I have to do it for myself. And because I'm a Christian. Just waiting for the Spirit to move me to forgiveness, because I need some help from above on this one. I know it will come.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at July 04, 2021 10:46 AM (Bmy3R)

Been there. Gave it all over to Him to sort out. Don't carry that soul-poisoning burden around.

Posted by: Count de Monet, checked out of the Heartbreak Hotel (4I/2K) at July 04, 2021 10:56 AM (4I/2K)

441 "Has anyone seen Dr. Fauxi recently? He seems to have dropped off the face of the earth in the past couple of weeks."

Unexpectedly. LOL

Posted by: Tuna at July 04, 2021 10:57 AM (gLRfa)

442 "I've noticed the 'Hate Has No Home Here' BLM-flag-flying crowd"

LOL that has to be some kind of Irony Fetish, like a Nazi camp guard attesting to his Humanity as he tosses another Jewish corpse into the incinerator.

Posted by: Hoyt's Turkish Troll Provocateur at July 04, 2021 10:58 AM (83lwH)

443 Trump went there.

"Does Anyone Know Who's Controlling Biden?"

Posted by: flounder at July 04, 2021 10:58 AM (KnJdm)

444 Used to hear firecrackers in the neighborhood in years past. Not a one this year... And no fireworks for sale in the grocery store, either.

Posted by: Ziba at July 04, 2021 10:58 AM (S1hrL)

445 Oh, I absolutely agree. Any legal punishment would be applicable up to the maximum allowed by law.

But it's a pipe dream, sadly. If I learned anything from the last 1.5 years, it's that there don't have to be two sets of laws, just two sets of enforcement.
And we're on the punitive side of reception, and for nothing more than wanting what's best freedom and economically and security wise for our fellow Americans that we love.

We're headed nowhere good.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Juneteenth, because we need to celebrate whites being badass at July 04, 2021 10:53 AM (BGev3)

See Hillary and the emails
See Hillary and Benghazi

Posted by: rhennigantx at July 04, 2021 10:58 AM (yrol0)

446 We had fireworks here last night, but you weren't allowed to go see them. Not officially, anyway. You could just go to a local park or somewhere you could see them, on your own, but no official celebrations.

Considering what the holiday is supposedly celebrating, that's some bitter irony right there.
Posted by: Guy Smiley at July 04, 2021 10:41 AM (Bmy3R)
***

And I'm willing to bet all the local officials were present. With good seats. And refreshments.

Posted by: Diogenes at July 04, 2021 10:58 AM (axyOa)

447 443 Good, but he knows as we do that its the Kalorama White House.

Posted by: CN at July 04, 2021 10:59 AM (ONvIw)

448 And because I'm a Christian. Just waiting for the Spirit to move me to forgiveness, because I need some help from above on this one. I know it will come.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at July 04, 2021 10:46 AM (Bmy3R)

*****

This is a loaded question. Forgiveness is not a blanket amnesty. If you forgive someone for hitting you in the face and they continue to hit you, are you obligated to continue forgiving? Maybe part of the act of forgiveness includes calling out the transgression and putting an end to it (either through the contrition of the transgressor or the concerted action of the transgressed). I forgive you for stealing my silverware and I'm putting a lock on the dining room hutch.

Have Christians done enough to "call out" the lockdowners?

Posted by: Muldoon at July 04, 2021 11:00 AM (Xwt96)

449 Been there. Gave it all over to Him to sort out. Don't carry that soul-poisoning burden around.
Posted by: Count de Monet, checked out of the Heartbreak Hotel (4I/2K) at July 04, 2021 10:56 AM (4I/2K)

Yep. That's exactly where I'm at.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at July 04, 2021 11:00 AM (Bmy3R)

450 Used to hear firecrackers in the neighborhood in
years past. Not a one this year... And no fireworks for sale in the
grocery store, either.

Posted by: Ziba at July 04, 2021 10:58 AM (S1hrL)

Same here. Another control mechanism loosely connected with a China virus rationale to prevent peaceable assembly. I might take the small fry out tonight and do some mag dumps in the national forest.

Posted by: flounder at July 04, 2021 11:00 AM (KnJdm)

451 Trump went there.

"Does Anyone Know Who's Controlling Biden?"
Posted by: flounder at July 04, 2021 10:58 AM (KnJdm)

--------------

I damn near came out of my chair when he said "who shot Ashli Babbit?"

Posted by: Duke Lowell at July 04, 2021 11:00 AM (kTF2Z)

452
I damn near came out of my chair when he said "who shot Ashli Babbit?"
Posted by: Duke Lowell at July 04, 2021 11:00 AM (kTF2Z)

I suspect he know the answer.

Posted by: CN at July 04, 2021 11:01 AM (ONvIw)

453 Gov of CT seeking 6 month extension of plandemic powers. WTH for?

Posted by: Ziba at July 04, 2021 11:01 AM (S1hrL)

454 I will Play along today for my kids who are still young enough to enjoy the day. But I know the day means nothing anymore.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at July 04, 2021 11:01 AM (hJ8kQ)

455 434 Second week of working my way through Hofstadter's Godel, Escher, and Bach.

Posted by: squeakywheel at July 04, 2021 10:53 AM (H3YxZ)

I bought that book in hardback when it first came out, late 70s, I think. Based on a hearty recommendation I read in Martin Gardner's column in Scientific American.

I have made several attempts to read it, never make it through to the end. I should try it again.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at July 04, 2021 11:01 AM (nkMeH)

456 Have Christians done enough to "call out" the lockdowners?
Posted by: Muldoon at July 04, 2021 11:00 AM (Xwt96)

The vast majority of the clergy failed their bretheren at the time of their greatest need, betrayed their faith and covered themselves in disgrace and shame.

We don't need them.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at July 04, 2021 11:01 AM (Bmy3R)

457
"Chekism (from Cheka, the first Soviet secret police organization) is a term to describe the situation in the Soviet Union and contemporary Russia, where the secret political police control everything in society"

"We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."-BHO

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 04, 2021 11:02 AM (63Dwl)

458 >John Edwards was right we do live in two Americas.
Posted by: Joe XiDen

His daddy worked in a mill!

The More You Know.

Posted by: DB- just DB (iTXRQ) at July 04, 2021 11:02 AM (iTXRQ)

459 Truck packed with fireworks explodes in Ocean City, Maryland.

Grampa?

Posted by: Arkansas Biden Baby at July 04, 2021 11:02 AM (W4eKo)

460 No shortage of fireworks in my burg. I kinda wish they would be banned though. They are annoying when they go on for hours and for a week leading up to the big day.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at July 04, 2021 11:03 AM (hJ8kQ)

461 "We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."-BHO
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 04, 2021 11:02 AM (63Dwl)

He means BLM.

Posted by: CN at July 04, 2021 11:03 AM (ONvIw)

462 The book is MADE to be serialized, yet they totally screwed it up and completely missed the point. Psychohistory is the star. What a disappointment.
Posted by: MichiCanuck at July 04, 2021 08:41 AM (vKmXR)

I read several of the Foundation books. Is it permitted to say that I found them rather tedious? And the whole conceit of "psychohistory" leaves me quite cold.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 04, 2021 11:03 AM (YoRri)

463 All the young dudes
There is a Nood
All the young dudes
Get to the Nood

Posted by: Skip at July 04, 2021 11:03 AM (Cxk7w)

464 >This is a loaded question. Forgiveness is not a blanket amnesty.

I don't forgive. My shitlist is carved in stone.

Posted by: DB- just DB (iTXRQ) at July 04, 2021 11:04 AM (iTXRQ)

465 Get to the Nood
Posted by: Skip at July 04, 2021 11:03 AM (Cxk7w)

The Nood doth intrude
on the book thread, how rude/s

Posted by: CN at July 04, 2021 11:04 AM (ONvIw)

466 I did it again! Brought forth a nood with my comment

Posted by: DB- just DB (iTXRQ) at July 04, 2021 11:04 AM (iTXRQ)

467 You can only forgive the repentant. They haven't been caught, they have no regret, they will not repent.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at July 04, 2021 11:05 AM (ybIRR)

468 >>>Truck packed with fireworks explodes in Ocean City, Maryland.

Every year, mumbledy years ago, we used to go out to the local quarry pit and have a huge bottlerocket war. Every year it got more elaborate with jumping jacks raining down on you, roman candle duels, and so on. One year, an errant firework landed in my bag of fireworks placed for ease of access on top of my car. Hilarity ensued. Most of it buffed out.

Posted by: flounder at July 04, 2021 11:05 AM (KnJdm)

469 461 Posted by: CN at July 04, 2021 11:03 AM (ONvIw)

or Antifa...point is they want law enforced by roving bands of idiots.

Posted by: sven at July 04, 2021 11:05 AM (Lzpvj)

470 @ElectionWiz

WHOA: Truck packed with fireworks explodes in Ocean City, Maryland.

https://tinyurl.com/yfwqjzjr
Posted by: Tami at July 04, 2021 10:54 AM (cF8AT)

Blowed up good. Real good.

Posted by: SCTV Farm Report at July 04, 2021 11:05 AM (4I/2K)

471 OM, Malice is an anarchist, full stop. His theory is that Conservatism is Progressivism obeying the speed limit, and maybe something else is required.

(Murphy and woods are Anarcho-capitalists and Woods is a libertarian to boot)

However the Beatniks weren't politically or socially united either, except in the belief that something was terribly wrong.

Posted by: Kindltot at July 04, 2021 11:06 AM (ySM85)

472 or Antifa...point is they want law enforced by roving bands of idiots.
Posted by: sven at July 04, 2021 11:05 AM (Lzpvj)

They are well organized for a "loosely organized" group, don't you think? Barr never did tell us who left them the stacks of bricks. And you can bet he knew every name involved.

Posted by: CN at July 04, 2021 11:07 AM (ONvIw)

473 I don't ever again want to see a movie adaptation of a book I love.

Posted by: Ordinary American at July 04, 2021 11:08 AM (H8QX8)

474 Luke Chapter 17:

3 Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.
4 And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him.

Posted by: Muldoon at July 04, 2021 11:10 AM (Xwt96)

475 Feral Agents. Come in we must.

Posted by: klaftern at July 04, 2021 11:11 AM (r4sI4)

476 Reading this week, "The Washing of the Spears" "The Rise and Fall of the Zulu Nation," 1965 by Donald Morris.

An excellent and detailed book.

Posted by: geoffb at July 04, 2021 11:11 AM (r//c2)

477 69- way late on this comment, but I blame 1776 playwright Peter Stone for injecting the 1619 bullshit into the national bloodstream. The play has a song about the Triangle Trade, sung by the leader of the South Carolina.

"Whose fortunes are made by the Triangle Trade, hail Slavery, that New England dream..."

Great, now do the Civil War, asshole.

Posted by: vivi at July 04, 2021 11:11 AM (USW1s)

478 4 And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him.
Posted by: Muldoon at July 04, 2021 11:10 AM (Xwt96)

At some point he just knows you're an easy mark. Sorry , Luke.

Posted by: CN at July 04, 2021 11:12 AM (ONvIw)

479 How cool would that be? My red-pilled, MAGA
Hollywood cousin who's been desperately trying to get out of H'wood
before she gets found out and cancelled, but really wants to stay in
"The Biz" because it's all she's ever done, is a finalist for a position
with one of my favorite political commentators, and he's moving his
base to south FL so she'd be moving there if she gets it.
Posted by: Guy Smiley at July 04, 2021 10:52 AM (Bmy3R)

Rubin is moving his Locals.com headquarters to Miami. It sounds exciting. He had an interview with Miami mayor Francis Suarez last week

https://www.bitchute.com/video/9fLS-U0D7SI/

Posted by: Kindltot at July 04, 2021 11:13 AM (ySM85)

480 Defund the FBI.
Hi Bob from NSA!

Posted by: vivi at July 04, 2021 11:13 AM (USW1s)

481 "But I have to forgive. I won't let my heart become as black and cold as theirs."

I understand the danger of carrying rage in your soul as mine is coal black from the experience. I would volunteer to be on the Permanent Firing Squad (assuming we have our own version V-Day)

But I don't believe in unconditional forgiveness. Even God demands we confess and renounce our sins to be forgiven.

Now, if they have an awakening and are truly remorseful and repentant? Sure I'll open my heart and follow your example. But on their knees, in their driveway, begging to explain? No. The only mercy I will give is a quick death. These people are Schutzstaffel (SS). You don't forgive the serpent.

https://tinyurl.com/5etnvack

Posted by: Hoyt's Turkish Troll Provocateur at July 04, 2021 11:13 AM (83lwH)

482 356
I don't understand how you can say that they "totally screwed it up" when you haven't even seen it...?

Also your complaint that it is a book made to be serialized: you do known that this adaptation is, in fact, a series, right?

You may well be right that it will turn out to be garbage. But I think I'm going to give it a chance to prove itself.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at July 04, 2021 10:16 AM (nkMeH)

-------------------------------------------------

My point about serialization was that the Trilogy is episodic in nature and would be easy to serialize. Yes I understand that it is a serial. They have no excuse for screwing it up to this degree.

There are enough tells in the trailer that make it obvious that it will be a mess. They invent some goofy genetic story for the Emperor. Seldon has a legion of "followers" when the book suggests only a handful of people "in the know". There's a revolution planned and the visuals suggest it's on Trantor, but the only "revolt" mentioned is Anacreon (no nuclear power). The original Encyclopedists knew nothing about their manifest destiny. Need I go on?

Posted by: MichiCanuck at July 04, 2021 11:19 AM (vKmXR)

483 "We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded." - BHO

With sharp uniforms designed by Hugo Boss. Maybe even an armband with the symbol Prosperity & Luck. Lightning bolts on the Epaulette?

"All this has happened before, and will happen again" - BSG

No kidding. Not even 80 years since the fall of the 3rd Reich and we get to repeat all the same mistakes again? Conservatism, you had ONE job. You failed.

Posted by: Hoyt's Turkish Troll Provocateur at July 04, 2021 11:20 AM (83lwH)

484 "We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."-BHO

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 04, 2021 11:02 AM (63Dwl)

To give the devil his due, Obama was not proposing some new, national police force. He was talking about expansion of the AmeriCorps and PeaceCorps orgs.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at July 04, 2021 11:23 AM (nkMeH)

485 Just because you forgive someone, it doesn't mean you condone what they did.

Forgive them and then walk away and have nothing to do with them ever again. Do not allow them the power to hurt you anymore.

Just because you forgave them, it doesn't make it right.

Posted by: nurse ratched at July 04, 2021 11:25 AM (U2p+3)

486 484 Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at July 04, 2021 11:23 AM (nkMeH)

Yeah, that is not what I got from his spiel on the campaign trail.

He did not say, "er um uh ah um uh we need to train kids for the workforce" he called it a Civilian National Security Force.

I think he had Antifa and BLM in mind precisely.

Posted by: sven at July 04, 2021 11:30 AM (Lzpvj)

487 462 The book is MADE to be serialized, yet they totally screwed it up and completely missed the point. Psychohistory is the star. What a disappointment.
Posted by: MichiCanuck at July 04, 2021 08:41 AM (vKmXR)

I read several of the Foundation books. Is it permitted to say that I found them rather tedious? And the whole conceit of "psychohistory" leaves me quite cold.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 04, 2021 11:03 AM (YoRri)

--------------------

Sure. But for me, the idea greatly stimulated my already significant interest in mathematics. It's sad that the social sciences haven't progressed much in terms of rigor since the late 40's when Asimov started the Trilogy. Nothing like the Seldon Functions have been invented, I'm afraid. Maybe that's a good thing. Otherwise ... wait a minute, I just noticed a glitch in the Matrix.

And I'd say that you are distinctly in the minority in terms of the fan base. It's clear that Star Wars was heavily influenced by Foundation, although the former is about the fall of the Roman Republic, and the latter the fall of the Roman Empire.

Posted by: MichiCanuck at July 04, 2021 11:31 AM (vKmXR)

488 473 I don't ever again want to see a movie adaptation of a book I love.
Posted by: Ordinary American at July 04, 2021 11:08 AM (H8QX

Try reading Seven Days in May. The movie is better than the book. That's the Rod Serling Effect.

I was pleasantly surprised at how well Ron Howard handled the Da Vinci Code. The plot compressions worked quite well and the on-location filming was a great plus.

My wife and I are big fans of the Albert Finney Murder on the Orient Express. Now the Branagh version .... ugghhhh.

Posted by: MichiCanuck at July 04, 2021 11:36 AM (vKmXR)

489 "Try reading Seven Days in May. The movie is better than the book. That's the Rod Serling Effect."

I did. Not to be argumentative, I thought the movie was excellent for cinema but not "better." Serling made excisions and compressions and changes that made sense from a cinematic point of view. But that just made it a different thing. The book had its own complexity and integrity I fully enjoyed.

Posted by: Ordinary American at July 04, 2021 11:58 AM (H8QX8)

490 "Happy-ish Sunday morning," she muttered...

Thanks for the great book thread.

Posted by: Adriane the Muttering Women Critic ... at July 04, 2021 12:01 PM (okV1R)

491 485 in the case of Fauci and company you can't cut them out of your life unless they are caught, confess and receive punishment. Otherwise they are free to hurt the nation again. The leftwing will try until they crush us. We can't just ignore them.

Posted by: CN at July 04, 2021 12:26 PM (ONvIw)

492 Trump went there.

"Does Anyone Know Who's Controlling Biden?"
Posted by: flounder at July 04, 2021 10:58 AM (KnJdm)

--------------

I damn near came out of my chair when he said "who shot Ashli Babbit?"
Posted by: Duke Lowell at July 04, 2021 11:00 AM

(kTF2Z)

And the MSM has not commented on it, a huge tell.

Posted by: JoeF. at July 04, 2021 12:27 PM (mR6Gs)

493 "...I dislocated my artificial hip. But I'm doing pretty well so I told him to go.
Posted by: Tami "

Ouchies. Stay well.
Posted by: Tuna

Yeah; no shitsky !

Posted by: JT at July 04, 2021 12:46 PM (arJlL)

494 The book thread is so eclectic.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice)

OM plugs it in every week

Posted by: JT at July 04, 2021 12:54 PM (arJlL)

495
or Antifa...point is they want law enforced by roving bands of idiots.
Posted by: sven at July 04, 2021 11:05 AM (Lzpvj)

They don't want law enforced, only vengeance.

Posted by: CN at July 04, 2021 01:00 PM (ONvIw)

496 495 Posted by: CN at July 04, 2021 01:00 PM (ONvIw)

The new law is pretty simple-you lose.

Posted by: sven at July 04, 2021 01:41 PM (Lzpvj)

497 Your description of the book "Conscious Choice" reminds me of a section in Paul Johnson's "*History of the American People." Where he describes the two Americas, first the southern colonies which were established for the purpose of getting rich and going back home a wealthy man. Later the northern colonies of homesteaders who brought family and wanted nothing with their homeland. All of which is perfectly consistent with the question of slavery and the differing answers.

* You must read this if you haven't.

Posted by: Ronzoni at July 04, 2021 01:44 PM (BtVzE)

498 I think he had Antifa and BLM in mind precisely.
Posted by: sven at July 04, 2021 11:30 AM (Lzpvj)

That would tough to prove because the speech the quote is lifted from was given in the 2008-2009 time frame, before Antifa and BLM existed.

Also, he specifically mentions the Peace Corps and something called the USA Freedom Corps, which may be one of his projects that never got implemented. It's a dumb speech about replacing 'hard' power with the 'soft' power of social assistance, not replacing the existing hard power with a more brutal hard power.

https://bit.ly/2TzJ1KO

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at July 04, 2021 04:05 PM (TFNpa)

499 Kayfabe was so much more than that before the late 90's. You had to live your gimmick 24/7. That means heels and faces couldn't travel together. The Million Dollar Man was given 1k seed money to walk around town and be an obnoxious rich guy to get people worked up. People got so worked up fans in some of the territory era would use knives and even guns to attack the heels. Mid South Wrestling was pretty bad.

Posted by: BSKB at July 04, 2021 04:07 PM (yh8/W)

500 498 Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at July 04, 2021 04:05 PM (TFNpa)

Antifa was already here, and I posted the barack Obama Youth Choir and the Alpha Omega Marchers....

anyway, whatever if only Pelosi had funded his nice smiley face soft power jegund I guess.

Posted by: sven at July 04, 2021 04:24 PM (Lzpvj)

501 I mean look Antifa was in Oregon in 2007, BLM is functionally little different than other shakedown inc structures other than the rioting is more organized and not liking them is now considered to be social poison on media.

The good news is I am past caring, the bad news is so is almost everyone else.

Posted by: sven at July 04, 2021 04:42 PM (Lzpvj)

502 Not only is the Foundation trilogy a series, the books were first written as a series of stories (8 according to the wiki, that's probably correct and I can't independently check as I don't presently have access to my copies of the magazines) written to order (sort of) and published by John Campbell in Astounding Science Fiction in the 1940s.

As for psychohistory; science fiction for a long time (and perhaps today; I don't know as I read very little of what passes as science fiction nowadays) was very trendy-it would go though cycles of writers writing about similar ideas and concepts (for a long time John Campbell partly drove this)-inasmuch as very many of the writers in the 1930s through the 60s or 70s knew each other quite well, it's not too surprising they were reading many of there same books and following the same intellectual and scientific fads. The idea of developing a more scientific social "science" was a popular one for quite a while. I suspect it was due in part to the popularity of Korzybski's theory of general semantics-Bob Heinlein was both a fan and a proselytizer for the theory.

Posted by: Lawdawg at July 04, 2021 07:27 PM (Ap+cR)

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