Gun Thread: Father's Day Edition!

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Howdy, Y'all! How's things? Welcome to the Sunday Gun Thread. Whether you're a grizzled Gun Thread veteran or a gun-curious lurking newcomer, a bigly hearty welcome to all of you! I'm glad you have decided to visit our little online Happy Place where we talk guns 'n shooting on Sunday evenings. So sit back, relax and pop open a Prune Fizz while we discuss our fav-O-rite hobby.

Not much going on this week. Rain cancelled farm plans for last weekend, and I really need to get back down there soon to cut the grass. Again. We have had several inches of rain here recently, which is only going to encourage the grass and vegetation to grow. I have to admit that high summer isn't exactly my favorite time to be down there given the list of chores I seem to always have, which interrupt the serious work of organic tree farming.

Finally, Happy Father's Day to all you dad's out there. It's not too late to take your kids shooting! With that, let's get to the gun stuff below, shall we?

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Gun Thread Pop Quiz!
Q: So what do you need besides a gun to go shooting?
A: Ammo!

Q: What has your 'ol pal Weasel been suggesting you buy for nearly three years?
A: Ammo!

Q: What has been in rilly, rilly short supply for the last year and a half?
A: Ammo!

Beginning to see a pattern? Is a theme beginning to emerge? Hello?

Good news! I am cautiously optimistic we're seeing an improvement in the ammunition supply situation. This isn't the result of any super scientific study, but rather simply my anecdotal observations of the resurgence of email offers I receive from retailers. I am not only seeing offers for in-stock items, but the price seems to be coming down as well. My baseline has always been 115gr 9mm ball ammunition at $200 per 1,000 rounds. I shoot lots of other calibers, but this seems to be about average when times are normal. We're still hell and gone from 'normal' whatever that is anymore, but I am seeing good availability down from about $1 per round at the height of the insanity, to between .60 and .70 cents, or $600 - $700 per 1,000 rounds for good quality ammunition. That is still 3 or more times average, but it seems to be headed in the right direction.

So what do you do? I suppose the answer continues to depend on how well stocked you are, and for the sake of argument, let's say you're either very low, or worse completely out of ammunition. In that case, I would begin to make opportunistic purchases and establish a reserve. I would not try and cure the situation all at at once by making a massive purchase, and I would also not wait in an attempt to perfectly bottom-tick the prices. Rather, set a numeric goal; 500 rounds, 1,000 rounds or whatever, and begin making purchases and establishing a reserve over time. If you're buying online, make these incremental purchases in a quantity where shipping doesn't offset all your savings. Believe it or not, free shipping offers do still exist at places like Ammoman for orders as low as $99 which isn't very hard to do. Now is the time to do this. I can virtually guarantee you there will be another crisis, and it might come sooner rather than later. We are absolutely not out of the woods, but we are seeing a little glimmer of sunshine for the time being. Please take advantage of it while it lasts.

So what the heck has been going on, anyway? Why did the supply dry up? Is it the danged gummint? Are the manufacturers in cahoots to drive up prices? Simultaneous global warming and cooling? Magnetic pole reversal? Aliens?

I happen to think this is another periodic scare arising from current events and exacerbated by the resulting flood of new gun owners in the last 18 months. Shortages have happened before, and with as little impetus as simple anti-2nd Amendment rhetoric from lawmakers. However, when people start seeing riots and their city streets on fire, they tend to become concerned and start thinking about protecting themselves, their families, and their shit. Which brings us to today.

Here is an interview with Jason Hornady, Vice President of Hornady Manufacturing, and here is another with Winchester President Brett Flaugher on the subject of shortages.

So while the ammunition situation appears to be improving, it's just a matter of time before the cycle repeats. What do you all think? Agree or disagree? Are things getting better based on your observations?

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First up, our pal Neon Madman has done some load testing in .30-06 and shares his progress.

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I got out to the range this week with my .30-06 High Wall, to shoot a few more rounds thru it. I had previously roughly sighted it in with some 165 grain commercial rounds. This time I took a mix of 165 and 150 grain reloads, nothing special, just some textbook loads with H4350. The gun has had less than 50 rounds thru it, and 20 of them are in this target. I was shooting "front bag only" at 100 yards, actually not even a bag but a wood block with some carpet on it, with a scope at 10X. I do need to re-sight it using a real front and rear bag, because the front bag only method is not as stable as it should be. Right now, I'm just trying to get a feel for how it is going to shoot.

Actually, I think that it is going to shoot quite well. The 150 grain loads grouped pretty well, considering that they weren't anything special and I wasn't as rock solid as I could be. The next time around, I'm going to fine tune the scope on some more of the 150 loads and then start looking at tuning the ammo. I think that I'm going to like this gun, and better not take it canoeing with me this summer.

I don't know about the rest of you, but it looks like the 150gr load is promising! Nicely done, Neon Madman!

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Next up we have a nice write-up on the PA-63 from our pal A.H. Lloyd

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The other day I came across a really strange pistol. It appeared to be a copy of the Walther PP made by FN in Belgium. However, upon close examination it is actually a copy of FEG's copy of the Walther PP, known as a PA-63.

The PA-63 was one of several pistols based on the Walther PP, which was something of a sensation in central Europe. Originally chambered in.32 ACP (aka 7.65mm Browning), it set the standard for police firearms all over the Continent and was the inspiration of the USSR's Makarov pistol, which saw local variants made in Czechoslovakia (CZ-50/70), Poland (Radom P-64), and our Hungarian variant. Of note is that only the CZ-50 and PA-63 had versions chambered in calibers besides 9mm Makarov.

Here's a photo of actual Walther PP (top) with the FEG below. Overall, very much alike, but the FEG's lines are just slightly off. The biggest clue, however, is that it has an aluminum frame. There's no question that this is a Hungarian design.

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So why did FN copy it? Well, the answer is: they didn't, but someone wanted to make you think they did. Note the overall quality of the engraving, which includes the FN logo. This isn't a hack job, it is quality, professional work - the kind you would expect of FEG. But they made some mistakes. The left slide inscription should read: "Fabrique National D'Armes deGuerre Herstal Belgique." The bold parts were left out.

Could it have been a joint venture between FEG and FN like the one between Manurhin and Walther? No. The PA-63 was entering production just as the Berlin Wall was going up. To even suggest the Communist-controlled FEG would enter into a partnership with one of NATO's main weapon suppliers less than seven years after the Hungarian uprising is completely absurd. Moreover, FN had its own John Browning-designed pocket pistol (the Model 1910) which resumed production in 1955.

Clearly it's a fake. The question is who it was trying to fool. Western intelligence would pick up on its origin pretty quickly, but maybe Hungarian rebels could be gulled into thinking the guys carrying it were NATO-backed. That at least would explain why it was in a police inventory. Because that's how it was sold into the US, being part of a shipment of police turn-ins from Eastern Europe. The dealer who sold this one said that there were five of these available so he bought them all and kept one for himself because it was so interesting.

As to performance, the PA-63 is more comfortable to hold than an actual Walther PP, but not quite as comfortable to shoot, due to the lighter frame. Still range performance was comparable, and with the PA-63 costing much less than a Walther, advantage: FEG.

If you would like to own a regular PA-63, they are plentiful and relatively cheap, being chambered in both 9mm Makarov and 7.65mm Browning (aka .32 ACP). They are simple to use, easy to take apart and clean, compact and with that aluminum frame could make a legit carry gun if one was so inclined. As for the fakes, maybe more information will come out as other people dig into their mysterious origin.

Very interesting! Thank you for the lesson A.H. Lloyd!

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Our pal ERF posted a comment on last weekends gun thread, which is worth repeating.

My dad was an NRA Safety Instructor and he shot competition in the late 60's and early 70's. He used to tell me that if you want to cure flinching while shooting, you needed to learn how to shoot a flintlock. Even if you slow pull the trigger and don't know exactly when it will fire, you still have the time for the hammer to hit, the sparks to fly, the pan to flash, and the slight delay for when it burns through the touch hole. There is plenty of time to get off of a bullseye at 100 yards. When I upgraded to inline with deer hunting, the difference in time was one of the first things I noticed.

Although we don't all have a flintlock to use as a training tool, this is really a very good suggestion! Thanks ERF!

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Speaking of training tools, and despite the ammo situation improving, there is always a place in your training for a laser based system. I don't have any particular experience with the Strikeman system, but a lot of people seem to like it. Better still, it's $10 off thru June 30th with the promo code 10OFFSTRIKEMANJUNE

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Last week I featured a YouTube video made by a young woman who is doing a really good job with her channel on firearm instruction, concealed carry and personal safety. It's called "She Equips Herself" which seemed popular here, so here is another one!

You clowns behave yourselves. I invited her to stop by and say hello.

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Next up, our pal fungus boy sends the following instructional video on opening a safe.

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Ax Weasel

This week we have an Op/Ed and question from our pal Super Lurker, who isn't just axing Weasel, he's axing all of you for your opinion on the upcoming NRA board elections.

"Who among the current board candidates do you believe should be elected, or should not be elected, and why"

In my opinion, Wayne LaPierre and his cronies have turned the organization into their personal piggy bank, have seriously mismanaged things, and need to go. The only way to make that happen, short of prison sentences, is to replace Wayne's board members with independent members who will clean house. The problem I have is, with one exception, I don't know the candidates, and don't know who will start to fix things, and who will continue with business as usual. I'd like to hear suggestions from other AOS-GT readers on that topic.

I've been an NRA member for almost 40 years and I'm old enough to remember the battle for control in the late '70's. In my opinion, the present situation is much more serious. I believe that Wayne and Co. don't realize the existential threat to the Association and are only concerned with keeping themselves out of jail. If they aren't ousted the NRA will cease to exist. The NRA isn't the only game in town and I don't believe it's been as effective as it could be on the legal front, but they do a lot as far as training and organizing competitions, over and above lobbying.

I have to admit my personal opinion of the NRA isn't the greatest anymore. Although I think their competitive shooting division does a good job, I have never been a fan of Wayne LaPierre. I don't know him, but he seems to exist in a constant cloud of controversy which is a problem. A little of that is to be expected in any large organization, but when it becomes too much it becomes a distraction and makes a leader ineffective. I think LaPierre is considerably past that point now, and on the basis of that point alone, I agree it's time for a change.

I do know a couple of other NRA board members who are good guys, die-hard shooters and unquestioned 2nd Amendment advocates. I have done quite a bit of shooting with the two, and consider them friends. Since I do not know their opinion of LaPierre I am going to refrain from mentioning their names here. I'm not certain if a complete house cleaning is in order, or rather just an overthrow of the LaPierre regime whatever that entails. However, if making a substantive change means throwing all of the babies out with the bath water, so be it.

What do you all think?

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ATTENTION NoVaMoMe 2021!!

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The social and cultural event of the season, NoVaMoMe 2021 is on the calendar! That's right, you people have a chance to meet many of your online pals on Saturday, July 24th beginning at 1pm until dark, or such time as it gets busted up by the cops. We have an exciting new location in the Northern Virginia area which we think will be more better than before and allow extended time for visiting. Admission is $25 which includes food and soft drinks, with a cash bar. This year all of the food is prepared from the greatest non-fiction literary work in modern history, The Deplorable Gourmet. Want to find out if your recipe made the cut? Want to be one of the cool kids? Just send an email to novamome at protonmail dot cee oh emm, pass the rigorous screening process to obtain registration details, then sign up to attend! Easy-Peasy!

It promises to be a great day, including our customary raffle of AoSHQ themed gift baskets. That's right! Each of the AoSHQ weekend threads has a specially themed gift basket chock full 'o theme related gifts!

Registration closes at midnight, July 10, 2021

Win a Dream Date with Weasel!
This year, a separate raffle for the Gun Thread gift basket will be held. This fabulous prize includes an entire day of shooting and personalized one-on-one handgun & rifle coaching and instruction at Weasel Acres on a mutually agreeable date with yours truly. The lucky winner will be able to not only bring and shoot their own weapons, but also try out a variety of WeaselWeapons using WeaselAmmo! The winner will take home 150 rounds of quality 9mm ammo to practice what they have learnt, a signed photo of WeaselDog and Fun Size Joe, and a complimentary video of the WeaselAcres experience, as parting gifts.

We will end the day with dinner at a good Mexican place in nearby Appomattox. Pretty much a dream date with Weasel! The winner will be responsible for their travel to and from Central Virginia, hence the separate drawing.

Don't be a pathetic girly-man loser, register today!

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Link-O-Rama

I'm really very seriously not kidding around anymore. Buy Ammo
AmmoSeek - online ammo search tool
GunBot - online ammo search tool
SG Ammo
Palmetto State Armory
Georgia Arms
AmmoMan
Target Sports USA
Bud's Gun Shop

***Mail Bag***

This week's Maibag entry comes to us courtest of Sharon(willow's apprentice).

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That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

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1 Ready on the line!

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 20, 2021 06:00 PM (DMUuz)

2 hiya

Posted by: JT at June 20, 2021 06:00 PM (arJlL)

3 Hiya Sharon !

Posted by: JT at June 20, 2021 06:01 PM (arJlL)

4 I want that grill

Posted by: Skip at June 20, 2021 06:01 PM (Cxk7w)

5 With a bullet!
But too slow.

Posted by: RI Red at June 20, 2021 06:02 PM (/u+Iq)

6 Academy increased their limit to 4 boxes of ammo.

Posted by: Just a side note at June 20, 2021 06:03 PM (2DOZq)

7 Pew Pew everybody!

Posted by: DB- just DB at June 20, 2021 06:03 PM (iTXRQ)

8 Agree on ammo availability, I'm seeing a lot more of common calibers than 6 months ago. Prices have come down a bit, but are still painful. Still lots of empty shelf space for less common calibers.

Powder and primers are still non-existent where I am, and other reloading stuff seems to be in short supply. Not much in the way of dies, and the other day I went to buy case lube and none was to be had in three different local stores.

Posted by: a.moron at June 20, 2021 06:06 PM (I5FZ1)

9 Been tracking ammo at multiple sites over time. Weasel, in my view is correct. About 60 cents per round for reloadable brass cartridges is what 9mm and 5.56 aka .223 is going for. Slowly rising inventory of .30-06, .303, and .30 Carbine with plentiful .308/7.62 available starting at about a buck per round and going up from there.

Smokeless powder is now becoming available but primers and brass in some cartridges still in short supply with reloading equipment availability becoming pretty decent.

Posted by: whig at June 20, 2021 06:07 PM (pO7gM)

10 I replaced the factory grips on my Ruger SR1911 with a Hogue monogrip. Non-slip rubber, ergonomic finger grooves, installs in about a minute, and does not interfere with any pistol function, such as magazine release or slide lock. It gives the gun a slightly 'fatter' grip. I haven't shot with it yet, but I'm confident it will prove to be a nice add-on.

Also I'm finding 9mm FMJ for about $20 per 50.

Posted by: DB- just DB at June 20, 2021 06:07 PM (iTXRQ)

11 Now THAT'S a smoker!!!
Hello folks!! I do not appear to have much luck with firearms lately. Last weekend I brought my rifle into the gunsmith. After diagnosing the problem he has shipped the rifle off to Savage to be repaired.Now this week I took my Sig P226 out of the case to clean it. I have not cleaned it since I was up at the Sig Academy last month putting about 800 rounds through it.So as I am cleaning the piece what happens? THE FRONT SIGHT FALLS OFF!! WTF?
Anyone have any ideas what the heck is going on?

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 20, 2021 06:07 PM (mcfjc)

12 She Equips Herself is a 0 because of that big ass rock she's wearing. Otherwise a 1 even with the borderline vocal fry.

Posted by: Just a side note at June 20, 2021 06:09 PM (2DOZq)

13 Herself went through all the candidates, and marked up her recommendations, which i will both follow forward to the gub thread for next week, with a write up of how she chose who she did.

Posted by: redc1c4 *OTUS Zhou Bai-Din Cheated & we all know it. at June 20, 2021 06:09 PM (makEl)

14 Have I been to the range? Why, yes, I have. Twice this weekend.
One discouraging report. One very satisfactory report.

Posted by: RI Red at June 20, 2021 06:10 PM (/u+Iq)

15 Pistol looks a little thick for a Peace Maker.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 20, 2021 06:10 PM (nd/mG)

16 I took the first half of a long range rifle class yesterday. It was all classroom; today was the range portion, but I was on call and couldn't go. I'll get that part another day, as one of the instructors is a friend and said we'll go whenever we can get our schedules to align.

Yesterday was a description of how bullet shape affects accuracy, tall target tests, and converting drop from mils and MOA. Despite all of Weasel's excellent lectures in the past here, I still learned quite a bit.

I was faster with answers than the other students, and I attribute that to the things we talk about here all the time. Thank you, again, Weasel, for putting this great thread together every week!

Posted by: Baron Munchausen at June 20, 2021 06:10 PM (C1NyB)

17 PS: she is an "endowment" level member, and they hit her up for some MOAR $$ to plus up another level.

she sent the invite back with a note saying she'd pony up when they got rid of Wayne LePew... i think i'll keep her.

Posted by: redc1c4 *OTUS Zhou Bai-Din Cheated & we all know it. at June 20, 2021 06:11 PM (makEl)

18 "She" is a keeper for some lucky guy

Posted by: Skip at June 20, 2021 06:11 PM (Cxk7w)

19 Howdy, Weasel, howdy, Horde.

Posted by: callsign claymore at June 20, 2021 06:12 PM (98niI)

20 Anyone have any ideas what the heck is going on?
Posted by: Scuba_Dude

You have angered the firearms gods and need to ship them all to me for safekeeping until they are appeased.

Posted by: nurse ratched at June 20, 2021 06:12 PM (dQOwJ)

21 I don't think the magnetic spare mag carrier will work too well with the Glock mags.

Posted by: Just a side note at June 20, 2021 06:12 PM (2DOZq)

22 Posted by: DB- just DB at June 20, 2021 06:07 PM (iTXRQ)

I did the same with mine. It's delightful! I think you'll like it.

Posted by: Baron Munchausen at June 20, 2021 06:12 PM (C1NyB)

23 Here's the only guidance I've found so far on who to vote for (and who NOT to vote for):

https://tinyurl.com/4773a27v

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 20, 2021 06:12 PM (DMUuz)

24 FWIW, don't wait for ammo prices to come down if you need to establish a stockpile. The soaring prices of copper, lead, and other metals is affecting everything that employs those metals in products. If you do not believe me, take a gander at romex electrical wiring prices in your local big box hardware store.

My guess is that depending on future events, aka summer of riots, widespread violence in cities, political moves, etc., you won't see substantial cuts in ammo prices for the near future but see more availability. Good time to start to prepare to reload by saving all brass from range excursions and perhaps buying a cheap starter single stage press and basic reloading equipment on sale.

Posted by: whig at June 20, 2021 06:12 PM (pO7gM)

25 Hi JT! Fancy seeing you here.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 20, 2021 06:13 PM (sd8p8)

26 Posted by: Just a side note at June 20, 2021 06:09 PM (2DOZq)
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I'm sure we'll treat her with all of the respect due any 'ette.

Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2021 06:14 PM (MVjcR)

27 I want that up armored Toyota Tundra that the South African courier Rambo was driving.

Posted by: Just a side note at June 20, 2021 06:14 PM (2DOZq)

28 Re the NRA, I would not vote for any current board members. New board selections might be a tad bit less supportive of WLP if push comes to shove. Remember the NRA bankruptcy petition stunt was dismissed by a federal judge leaving the NRA at the mercy of the NY State AG right now.

Posted by: whig at June 20, 2021 06:15 PM (pO7gM)

29 Posted by: Baron Munchausen at June 20, 2021 06:10 PM (C1NyB)
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Happy to hear that. Thank you! We have a rifle clinic each year at the TxMoMe if you can attend.

Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2021 06:15 PM (MVjcR)

30 Posted by: nurse ratched at June 20, 2021 06:12 PM (dQOwJ)

Nurse, is room and board included? Where they go, I go. :-D
You will be more than welcome to try them in October at the MoMe. I want to bring them there to have a taste of freedom. Will you be there?

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 20, 2021 06:16 PM (mcfjc)

31 Hi Weasel (again),
Sorry for using the wrong email. It's been corrected.
Last week's thread had a discussion about using Wipe Out to remove barrel fouling. Is there a set amount of rounds fired before cleaning with Wipe Out?

Posted by: Numbuh Two, 2x4 Technology Operative at June 20, 2021 06:16 PM (YWBlw)

32 Picked up a couple of boxes of generic 115 gr. 9mm at $28/50, or roughly 3X pre-panic. Also nabbed one carton of CCI small pistol primers at $65 or about 2X pre-panic. That's still too high to stockpile but at least it was available, which is better than it has been for the past year. Still no powders at all beside Pyrodex and still no small rifle primers.

Posted by: Oddbob at June 20, 2021 06:17 PM (nfrXX)

33 Scuba dude,
YES!

Posted by: nurse ratched at June 20, 2021 06:17 PM (U2p+3)

34 Range report 1A:
Bought some oooold .38 lead wadcutters. Loaded and shot it yesterday in my .38 and in my son's SP 101 (DB, the Hogue grips are the titz). Yes, it shoots straight and makes perfect circular holes at 10 yards, about 900 FPS. Dug up some rounds and they had mushroomed quite well. I hear tell some old timers carried that as their standard load - I can see why.

Posted by: RI Red at June 20, 2021 06:17 PM (/u+Iq)

35 Posted by: Just a side note at June 20, 2021 06:09 PM (2DOZq)
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I'm sure we'll treat her with all of the respect due any 'ette.
Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2021 06:14 PM (MVjcR)

I thought I did by saying she's off limits because she's married. oh well.

Posted by: Just a side note at June 20, 2021 06:17 PM (2DOZq)

36 PS: she is an "endowment" level member, and they hit her up for some MOAR $$ to plus up another level.

she sent the invite back with a note saying she'd pony up when they got rid of Wayne LePew... i think i'll keep her.


Posted by: redc1c4 *OTUS Zhou Bai-Din Cheated we all know it. at June 20, 2021 06:11 PM


I did the same and I am an endowment member. Sent the card back with a note saying I would not send them another dollar with wayne as the boss. I still get stuff from the NRA ILA side though.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at June 20, 2021 06:17 PM (JUOKG)

37
I thought I did by saying she's off limits because she's married. oh well.
Posted by: Just a side note at June 20, 2021 06:17 PM (2DOZq)
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All good!

Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2021 06:18 PM (MVjcR)

38 Two Saturdays of shooting planned, two Saturdays of said plan being jettisoned due to real life.

So it goes.

Thanks for the thread, Weasel and a shout out to A.H Lloyd for the gun info. That sort of stuff is always interesting.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at June 20, 2021 06:18 PM (2SdPm)

39 Thanks Baron

Yeah I have been to the range 3 times in the past month. I'm going to concentrate on rebuilding my ammo supply now.

After I shoot my .45 one more time.

Posted by: DB- just DB at June 20, 2021 06:19 PM (iTXRQ)

40 YES!

Posted by: nurse ratched at June 20, 2021 06:17 PM (U2p+3)
Yes room and board is included or Yes you will be at the MoMe? Or both? :-)

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 20, 2021 06:19 PM (mcfjc)

41 After diagnosing the problem he has shipped the rifle off to Savage to be repaired.

That's the one that was pulling bullets from their cases, yes? What did the 'smith say was the cause of that?

Posted by: Oddbob at June 20, 2021 06:19 PM (nfrXX)

42 Excellent range report for this week. My brother and SIL came for a visit. My brother decided that he wanted a different scope on the rifle we built last year. I gave him one of my Nikons(good scope, horrible company) with a BDC reticle(bullet drop compensator). Day 1 I manned the spotting scope and he got all sighted in in about 10 shots, his first time sighting in a scope. Yay!! The next day I set out a target at 300 for him, he shot about a 2 moa group from the holdover in his reticle. Yay!! Next I had him move over to my bench and shoot one of my AR10's at a square foot target at 600 yards, 2 out of 3 hits. Yay!! (he'd never shot over 100 yards). Now that's what I call a good range trip.

Posted by: ck at June 20, 2021 06:19 PM (iBg56)

43 >>>We have a rifle clinic each year at the TxMoMe if you can attend.
Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2021 06:15 PM (MVjcR)

I want to go so bad it makes my head pop, but there's no way I can pull it off this year. Work staffing sucks, and it's only going to get worse.

Posted by: Baron Munchausen at June 20, 2021 06:20 PM (C1NyB)

44 Thank
You for the thread, weasel.
Didn't get to the range on Saturday as I was camping.
Next weekend I'll be there though.

Lift and shoot with my PPQ.

Posted by: nurse ratched at June 20, 2021 06:20 PM (U2p+3)

45 11 Scubadude,
Unfortunately QC is a problem for many companies and during boom times in the rush to get product out of the door, companies can often scrimp on QC.

Sig sight slots on their slides are normally pretty tight, not Springfield Armory tight, but pretty tight. My guess is that either the sight's base or the slide cut for the sight was a bit on the generous side. If planning on getting or changing sights on your pistol regularly, I can recommend several sight pushers that do the job. Deluxe expensive version is the MGW (midwest gun works) which has slide specific inserts to put your sights back where they should be. Lyman and MGW also make decent ones as well but not as adjustable for differing specs on slides and it might mar your finish accordingly.

Posted by: whig at June 20, 2021 06:20 PM (pO7gM)

46 A few of us attended the gun show in Chantilly VA yesterday. I made a purchase which I will talk about once I have it in my hands. Because I bought it in VA and live in MD, it needs to be sent here and then a 7 day waiting period. Sigh...
I have two questions. A guy who was working with a dealer at the show had a sweet Kimber solo 9 mm. He said Kimber is not making them anymore. Even if I could have afforded it, MD only lets you buy 1 gun a month. I know. Stupid. Anyways, is there a similar model that replaced it?
Second, apparently there was another moron at the show who we were not aware of as he posted on Gab. If you want to introduce yourself we'd like to invite you to our next meetup.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 20, 2021 06:20 PM (sd8p8)

47 Last week's thread had a discussion about using Wipe Out to remove barrel fouling. Is there a set amount of rounds fired before cleaning with Wipe Out?
Posted by: Numbuh Two, 2x4 Technology Operative at June 20, 2021 06:16 PM (YWBlw)
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I clean my match rifles after each days matches of maybe 75 rounds, and use WipeOut maybe every 2nd or 3rd day. No hard and fast rule and I don't think you can overdose on it.

Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2021 06:20 PM (MVjcR)

48 > (DB, the Hogue grips are the titz). ...
Posted by: RI Red


Yes I had a Model 27 with Hogue grips and it was a nice shooter

Posted by: DB- just DB at June 20, 2021 06:21 PM (iTXRQ)

49 Yes, I will be in TX!

Posted by: nurse ratched at June 20, 2021 06:22 PM (U2p+3)

50 This week was Lee-Enfield week. I took a Mk.4 No.1 made in 1943 and a Mk.4 No.2 made in 1955 out for some shooting.

Both rifles always impress with being very accurate, easy to handle and being a pleasure to shoot. I can hit from 150 yards out to 600 with ease and simple adjustments on the rear sight. Soft recoil, slick bolts and lots of Clangs! make for a nice day at the range.

The Mk.4 No.1 has a star stamped over the chamber. I thought this was unique but apparently the stamp happy British armorers stamped a star on the rifle if rust was found in the barrel from what I have learned.

That PA-63 pistol may also have been intended for overseas commie groups kinda like a ghost gun which the Combloc was known to do to make it difficult to point fingers.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 20, 2021 06:22 PM (R/m4+)

51 Somehow I don't think I would fill out those spandex leggings quite the same way as the brunette host of that video...

Posted by: cocoa puffs at June 20, 2021 06:22 PM (aAP3z)

52 YAY!


I made the gun thread on time for once!
(Now for the content!)

Posted by: GWB at June 20, 2021 06:23 PM (MNGJ/)

53 She is definitely well equipped.

Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at June 20, 2021 06:23 PM (ufFY8)

54 Posted by: nurse ratched at June 20, 2021 06:20 PM (U2p+3)
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Howdy!

Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2021 06:23 PM (MVjcR)

55 Range report 1B:
Did a further powder ladder test with the Accurate 4350 pushing 6.5 mm hornady 129 SSTs. Not a fan. It took a bunch of powder, two grains over the Hornady manual, to get the ballet moving at 2700 FPS. And the best group I could get was just over .5 MOA.
Disappointing, because I have over 3 lbs more of it and haven't found a niche for it. Guess it goes to the back of the cupboard.

Posted by: RI Red at June 20, 2021 06:24 PM (/u+Iq)

56 34 RI Red, some reloaders including Jim Cirrillo from the NYPD Stakeout squad used to invert hollow base wadcutters and load it that way to get maximum expansion.
The new Federal .38+p HST micro self defense round is similar but not something you would want in a speedloader. Expands according to Lucky Gunner to something like .70 inches.

Posted by: whig at June 20, 2021 06:24 PM (pO7gM)

57 Posted by: Scuba_Dude
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Howdy, SD!

Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2021 06:24 PM (MVjcR)

58 Posted by: callsign claymore at June 20, 2021 06:12 PM (98niI)
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Howdy cc!

Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2021 06:25 PM (MVjcR)

59 Re: NRA board candidates, one I can recommend is Craig Swartz of Adel, Iowa. He's a long time and active member of the gun club I belong to, is involved in competition shooting and shooting education and has been an active advocate for gun rights at the state legislature.

Posted by: a.moron at June 20, 2021 06:26 PM (I5FZ1)

60 Gun Thread greetings, Horde! I've just been offered a nearly new (200 rd.ct.) Sig P-238, in 9mm. Two mags, factory case & paperwork, a kydex holster, for $500.

Not a horrid price, but is it a Jump On It Price? It's nice gun, no doubt 'bout that.

What say ye, Horde?

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at June 20, 2021 06:26 PM (QzJWU)

61 Posted by: whig at June 20, 2021 06:20 PM (pO7gM)

Whig, thanks for the response. I have had this piece since Oct 2019. It came with a red dot sight. I have done a lot of drawing and holstering the gun when ever I am at the Sig Academy. All from a hard plastic holster.I am going to bring it to the gunsmith next weekend and go over options.
My long term goal is using the red dot predominately and have the iron sights as backup.Still interesting that the sight came off.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 20, 2021 06:27 PM (mcfjc)

62
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 20, 2021 06:20 PM (sd8p
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Sharon, Rock Island Armory makes a dandy 9 mm on a smaller 1911 platform, say, 4.25 barrel. I've not shot that particular model, but, based on experience with other such firearms, the 9 mm on a smaller 1911 platform tends to shoot pretty well.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at June 20, 2021 06:27 PM (2SdPm)

63 Yes, I will be in TX!

Posted by: nurse ratched at June 20, 2021 06:22 PM (U2p+3)
Excellent!! Look forward to seeing you again (we met last year at the NoVaMoMe).

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 20, 2021 06:28 PM (mcfjc)

64 what is the condition named that you think you have enough ammo, but do not want to use it because not sure how to replace it?


idonotwanttorunoutofammophobia?

Posted by: will choose a nic later at June 20, 2021 06:28 PM (bTQ72)

65 46. The Kimber Micro replaced the Solo. Originally the Micro only came in 380 but when the solo was phased out the Micro is now chambered in 9mm.

Posted by: Jen the original at June 20, 2021 06:29 PM (oDuMo)

66 Grenade guy was interesting. Saw a Barney Miller last week where Fish put a dynamite bomb in their safe. I wondered what would happen in real life. Three sticks would do a bit more damage than the single grenade. Barney Miller's safe door didn't even blow.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at June 20, 2021 06:29 PM (ufFY8)

67 Hey everyone! It's not just ammo prices that are falling. Some months back I created a 'basket' of firearms that I knew pretty well and began following auctions to see how the prices were moving, whether they were selling, etc.

It's pretty much a retreat across the board, though some platforms are still crazy high.

If you bought something that you're less than happy about because that was what the store had, now might be a good time to trade out into a better fit.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 20, 2021 06:29 PM (llXky)

68 50 HB Guy, Enfields are a particular weakness for me but the No. 4 mk 2 is one that I do not have unfortunately. FWIW, AimSurplus has some Prvi .303 for about 25 bux per box right now in stock.

Most postwar Enfields such as the Mk 2 saw little use and are in superb condition. I have to make do with a Long Branch post war refurb No. 4 mk 1/3. Had a pain to find a stock for it and eventually had to refit a new one to the action.

Posted by: whig at June 20, 2021 06:29 PM (pO7gM)

69 That's the one that was pulling bullets from their cases, yes? What did the 'smith say was the cause of that?

Posted by: Oddbob at June 20, 2021 06:19 PM (nfrXX)
Hey Oddbob, he said I had a "tight chamber". Savage will either replace the barrel or bore the original.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 20, 2021 06:30 PM (mcfjc)

70 Thanks Jen. I will check it out. The gun just felt so comfortable in my hand and weight seemed perfect. Think the guy wanted $650 for it used obviously a d I didn't know anything about it although I took the guy's card.
Now I can do some research.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 20, 2021 06:31 PM (sd8p8)

71 Yeah, Whig, I had heard that. These wad cutters are flat based and the nose just has a tiny nub.
I think I'm going to work up a load at just under 1100 FPS (so Jr. doesn't get irked that I'm leading up his .357) and see what expansion looks like. Being that it's lead I suspect it will smoosh just fine.

Posted by: RI Red at June 20, 2021 06:31 PM (/u+Iq)

72 Scuba _Dude -
I would talk to Sig about the front sight. I'm a Sig Armorer and can tell you that, um, isn't supposed to happen. In fact, it takes a reasonable amount of pressure under normal circumstances to drift the sight using the Sig sight tool.

Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2021 06:32 PM (MVjcR)

73 For those of you who have ammo and a goodly supply of reloading components, what does your body armor kit look like?

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at June 20, 2021 06:33 PM (8C7+r)

74 Howdy, SD!

Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2021 06:24 PM (MVjcR)
Hola Weasel!! Any update on your sword?

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 20, 2021 06:33 PM (mcfjc)

75 That PA-63 pistol may also have been intended for
overseas commie groups kinda like a ghost gun which the Combloc was
known to do to make it difficult to point fingers.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 20, 2021 06:22 PM (R/m4+)

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Since I emailed Weasel I've found some evidence that Arab regimes requested FEGs with bogus slide information. They chiefly spoofed FN Hi Powers, though (FEG P9R), not Walthers. One thing I've discovered is that the serial number seems to be consisted with PA-63 production, not FN, so that part is legit.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 20, 2021 06:34 PM (llXky)

76 61 SB, ah, I understand now. Red dots are more susceptible about coming loose from mounts which is the nature of the beast because of leverage. The usual solutions are either peening of the slide to make the mounting slots hold more tightly which can be unsightly or a new sight base for the red dot. You can also use a removable thread locker, preferably purple from either loctite or permatex because it is removable with hand tools.

Posted by: whig at June 20, 2021 06:34 PM (pO7gM)

77 Hola Weasel!! Any update on your sword?
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 20, 2021 06:33 PM (mcfjc)
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Only that I'm on a 2 year wait list for polishing. Which reminds me I need to email the polishing guy.

Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2021 06:34 PM (MVjcR)

78 sra blaster and I met up with Sharon, iris, McGyver, and Hrothgar at The Nation's Gunshow and for dinner afterward. I did not know there was a lurking moron there!

Much bigger than before, no limits and no masks. Unfortunately my schedule was all crazy so I didn't get to see as much of the show as I would have liked. But then again, I spent more than enough while there so maybe its a blessing in disguise.

I did buy ammo! Just one box of 25 9mm Hornady Critical Defense. It was $35 which seemed reasonable for the After Times. We are having more arms at the ready in casa blaster so needed some more Critical Defense.

And speaking of more arms at the ready, I bought a gun, too, but not at the show, on Gunbroker. A Ruger P95DC. Yes, I already have one, but I think so highly of it I wanted another.



Posted by: blaster at June 20, 2021 06:35 PM (4q7lA)

79 Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2021 06:32 PM (MVjcR)

I will look to either phone Sig or send an email. Thanks!!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 20, 2021 06:35 PM (mcfjc)

80 "She Equips Herself's" advice of "never sit with your back to a door" has been SOP for me as long as I can remember.

Posted by: Numbuh Two, 2x4 Technology Operative at June 20, 2021 06:35 PM (YWBlw)

81 Enfields are a particular weakness for me but the No. 4 mk 2 is one that I do not have unfortunately. FWIW, AimSurplus has some Prvi .303 for about 25 bux per box right now in stock.
Most postwar Enfields such as the Mk 2 saw little use and are in superb condition. I have to make do with a Long Branch post war refurb No. 4 mk 1/3. Had a pain to find a stock for it and eventually had to refit a new one to the action.
Posted by: whig at June 20, 2021 06:29 PM (pO7gM)

Thanks for the ammo tip! Yup....last time I shot these two was about 2 years ago and they sat patiently in my gun room while I took all the fancy, modern semi-autos out. They absolutely shine and I was shooting German ammo from 1983.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 20, 2021 06:35 PM (R/m4+)

82 She Equips Herself has a very good YouTube channel - lots of good info. And she happens to be a cutie patootie.

Posted by: butch at June 20, 2021 06:36 PM (cHvOo)

83 Posted by: whig at June 20, 2021 06:34 PM (pO7gM)

Hey Whig, the red dot is nice and tight (thank goodness) it is the front iron sight that decided to leave. Maybe it was jealous I was not using it as much.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 20, 2021 06:37 PM (mcfjc)

84 can anybody recommend a high visibility paint I can use to touch up the front sight on a gun? I'm looking for neon green orange, yellow, something like that

just a dot, not painting the whole thing

Posted by: DB- just DB at June 20, 2021 06:37 PM (iTXRQ)

85 I agree with Weasel. Some ammo is becoming available, mostly 9mm and 223/5.56. And prices are down from the highest, sometimes with free shipping.

A bigger difference from several months ago is the increasing availability of reloading components: bullets, primed and unprimed brass, and some tools. I haven't noticed any ads for primers so far. Also, Missouri Bullets was down to about 5 offerings. It's now listing over half of what they did before the run on components. Even several for 41 magnum. For cast bullet shooters this is a big deal.

Posted by: JTB at June 20, 2021 06:37 PM (7EjX1)

86 Not a horrid price, but is it a Jump On It Price? It's nice gun, no doubt 'bout that.



What say ye, Horde?


Posted by: Jim at June 20, 2021 06:26 PM (QzJWU)

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Only you can determine how much you want it. I know that sounds like a cop out, but its true. I bought guns almost entirely because I was getting an incredible eye-watering deal and I've paid through the nose for guns because I WANTED THEM SO BAD!!!

If you want it and can afford it, make it yours.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 20, 2021 06:37 PM (llXky)

87 Rahm just birdied his last hole to take the lead.

And Rahm's wife has two big guns.

Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at June 20, 2021 06:37 PM (ufFY8)

88 71, On flat base, I normally use the Berry plated double ended wadcutters because I have some Rugers revolvers that do not like lead due to the forcing cone angles. But, the old lead swaged hollow base are superb in accuracy in a revolver that is accurate because of the skirt expanding to filling the bore (at least that is the theory). Had some lead Speer flatbased wad cutters though that were nearly as accurate and did not lead like swaged wad cutters do.

Posted by: whig at June 20, 2021 06:37 PM (pO7gM)

89 >"She Equips Herself's" advice of "never sit with your back to a door" has been SOP for me as long as I can remember.
Posted by: Numbuh Two


If only only Bill Hickock woulda had youtube...

Posted by: DB- just DB at June 20, 2021 06:38 PM (iTXRQ)

90 Posted by: DB- just DB at June 20, 2021 06:37 PM (iTXRQ)
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I've used a dot of orange or white model paint applied with a toothpick with good results.

Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2021 06:38 PM (MVjcR)

91 Love the bbq/smoker. And gun girl is very informative. I never thought about looking at people's hands.

Posted by: Infidel at June 20, 2021 06:38 PM (dYrVA)

92 just a dot, not painting the whole thing
Posted by: DB- just DB at June 20, 2021 06:37 PM (iTXRQ)
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Yo! We can hook you up!

Posted by: Building Tagger United at June 20, 2021 06:38 PM (2SdPm)

93 Howdy Weasel!

I liked Stav's video on situational awareness. For myself, as an introvert I tend to be inwardly focused, and I use my phone as a way to shield myself from unwanted conversations while in line (I seem to attract complainers). I have to step out of my habits and keep my head on a swivel when in crowds, where my natural inclination is the opposite.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at June 20, 2021 06:38 PM (Dc2NZ)

94 If only only Bill Hickock woulda had youtube...
Posted by: DB- just DB at June 20, 2021 06:38 PM (iTXRQ)
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From what I understand, Wild Bill knew better, lived by that rule, but, just that one time....

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at June 20, 2021 06:39 PM (2SdPm)

95 just a dot, not painting the whole thing

Posted by: DB- just DB at June 20, 2021 06:37 PM (iTXRQ)

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I hear nail polish works. I touched up a SIG's dot sights with some Testors hobby paint. It lasted a few years until I lost it while water skiing.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 20, 2021 06:39 PM (llXky)

96 Interesting, She Equips Herself lives in Massachusetts. And she conceals carry? I thought that Commonwealth HATES people being able to protect themselves?

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 20, 2021 06:39 PM (mcfjc)

97 AS to ammo, yes, it's more plentiful (I can actually get to it from my email at the end of day, without the link now saying "Out of stock) and it's cheaper (yep, less than 60 cents per round for 9mm FMJ, 12 cents per round for .22LR).

But one thing: to get those prices you can't be slowly building up. You gotta be buying in 1,000 round cases. At least that's most of the _advertising_.

Guns are *slightly* more available, too, though it seems (as I think someone mentioned last week) that the used market thinks the prices are still astronomically high.

Posted by: GWB at June 20, 2021 06:40 PM (MNGJ/)

98 Thanks Weasel
I'll try to hit the hobby shop this week

Posted by: DB- just DB at June 20, 2021 06:40 PM (iTXRQ)

99 "She Equips Herself's" advice of "never sit with your back to a door" has been SOP for me as long as I can remember.
Posted by: Numbuh Two

Ditto. Never have your back to the door.

Posted by: Infidel at June 20, 2021 06:40 PM (dYrVA)

100 81 HB, that was sure some nice ammo that the Germans made for the .303's during the 80's. Scuttlebutt was that it was made for export to certain troubled areas where Enfields were plentiful. but that is just a rumor.

Posted by: whig at June 20, 2021 06:40 PM (pO7gM)

101 Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at June 20, 2021 06:38 PM (Dc2NZ)
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Howdy Eris!!

Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2021 06:40 PM (MVjcR)

102 >From what I understand, Wild Bill knew better, lived by that rule, but, just that one time....
Posted by: blake


one time's all it takes AA88

Posted by: DB- just DB at June 20, 2021 06:41 PM (iTXRQ)

103 You clowns behave yourselves. I invited her to stop by and say hello.

We always behave. Badly, usually.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 20, 2021 06:41 PM (II3Gr)

104 98 Thanks Weasel
I'll try to hit the hobby shop this week
Posted by: DB- just DB at June 20, 2021 06:40 PM (iTXRQ)
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Just a dot! One dot only, please!

Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2021 06:41 PM (MVjcR)

105 You guys know what makes me realize how dear ammo is? Running 200 rounds in one hour, even if through a Shadow Systems DR 920

Posted by: Eromero at June 20, 2021 06:41 PM (0OP+5)

106 And Range report B ( this is where it gets satisfying):
Said, "F it" with 6.5 and went back to the range today with 3 .22 rifles. I'm toying with entering the monthly aspirin shoot (except those folks have thousands of $ into their rifles) and wanted to check sighting.
After getting 50 and 100 yds mostly dialed in, again I said, "F it" and started shooting at 200 and 300.
Believe me, I'm not intending to brag, but I was getting consistent hits on steel, even though none of my scopes will dial up that far - all holdover. And I was reading the gusty wind fairly well.
Now, it doesn't go Clang! like with 6.5, but that tiny little Ting is just cool.
I think my looong range practice translated to .22.
Almost better than you know what.

Posted by: RI Red at June 20, 2021 06:42 PM (/u+Iq)

107 Anyone have any ideas what the heck is going on?
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 20, 2021 06:07 PM (mcfjc)


You gotta bad case of gun gremlins, SD. You need to start leaving out little bowls of Hoppes in a shoe overnight.

Posted by: GWB at June 20, 2021 06:42 PM (MNGJ/)

108 I promise! no rollers!

Posted by: DB- just DB at June 20, 2021 06:42 PM (iTXRQ)

109 Blaster, sra Blaster could have done a workshop on female concealed carry too.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 20, 2021 06:42 PM (sd8p8)

110
We always behave. Badly, usually.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 20, 2021 06:41 PM (II3Gr)
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I know! How's things, insom?

Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2021 06:42 PM (MVjcR)

111 Since I emailed Weasel I've found some evidence that Arab regimes requested FEGs with bogus slide information. They chiefly spoofed FN Hi Powers, though (FEG P9R), not Walthers. One thing I've discovered is that the serial number seems to be consisted with PA-63 production, not FN, so that part is legit.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 20, 2021 06:34 PM (llXky)

Yup....Cold War craziness end up now as collectibles.

The world is a funny place. But fun!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 20, 2021 06:43 PM (R/m4+)

112 104 98 Thanks Weasel
I'll try to hit the hobby shop this week
Posted by: DB- just DB at June 20, 2021 06:40 PM (iTXRQ)
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Just a dot! One dot only, please!
Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2021 06:41 PM (MVjcR)

Yeah, Vasily!

Posted by: Insomniac at June 20, 2021 06:43 PM (II3Gr)

113 I would like to add to the video,
Ears OPEN! Not plugged up listening to music or on the phone. You can hear a protest blocks away and avoid. Or you can hear a crazy person yelling before they charge you.

And also, trust your gut. If something seems wrong, go in the other direction.

Posted by: nurse ratched at June 20, 2021 06:43 PM (U2p+3)

114 Howdy Horde. Haven't been on the gun thread in a couple years. Happy to be back and now living in a civilized state. In February the noble and conservative state of MT signed concealed carry into law without a permit.
Just received my belly band holster yesterday. Wanted it so I could take my Kimber Micro and a can of bear spray when hiking. Keep hearing rumors of bear in the area, rumors. However wolf is a definite. Killed a neighbor's calf. Guessing the wolves will stay clear but will use the Kimber in case of bear or mountain lion. The way I aim it will have to scare them.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at June 20, 2021 06:43 PM (lHHNQ)

115 Posted by: RI Red at June 20, 2021 06:42 PM (/u+Iq)
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Nice! I love shooting my 22s.

Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2021 06:44 PM (MVjcR)

116 >Ditto. Never have your back to the door.
Posted by: Infidel


I'm making a list
1 Never have your back to the door
2 Never get out of the boat

Posted by: DB- just DB at June 20, 2021 06:44 PM (iTXRQ)

117 Regarding the dots on front sights, you used to could buy luminescent paint for a poor man's night sights. KG sells front sight paint in bright colors and Birchwood makes sight markers.

But, you can simply use disgusting fingernail polish as well to brightly color your sight dots or liquid paper if you want white.

Posted by: whig at June 20, 2021 06:44 PM (pO7gM)

118 110
We always behave. Badly, usually.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 20, 2021 06:41 PM (II3Gr)
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I know! How's things, insom?
Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2021 06:42 PM (MVjcR)

On the whole, doing pretty good amigo! How are you?

Posted by: Insomniac at June 20, 2021 06:44 PM (II3Gr)

119 When I was up in New Hampshire last month I picked up about 600 rounds of 9mm FMJ for $23 per 50. That and what I already have in inventory is sufficient for the amount of times I get to the range. As far as .308 goes I will hopefully add to the inventory prior to going to the MoMe in October.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 20, 2021 06:45 PM (mcfjc)

120 @sharon I guess I should read itineraries.

I have her fully converted she carries more than me.

Posted by: blaster at June 20, 2021 06:45 PM (4q7lA)

121 Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at June 20, 2021 06:43 PM (lHHNQ)
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Welcome back, we missed you!

Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2021 06:45 PM (MVjcR)

122 ok, just got home from grocery shopping, here's my question for The Horde:
seen in a local store:
30's commercial Mauser C96, 7.65, with stock. reblued. $1500
good price ? not so much ?
always wanted a Broomhandle, but ...

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at June 20, 2021 06:45 PM (wHoql)

123 Posted by: Insomniac at June 20, 2021 06:44 PM (II3Gr)
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All good here, brother!

Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2021 06:45 PM (MVjcR)

124 You clowns behave yourselves.

Weasel is being seduced by the CoB Side.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 20, 2021 06:46 PM (DMUuz)

125 Yup....Cold War craziness end up now as collectibles.



The world is a funny place. But fun!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 20, 2021 06:43 PM (R/m4+)

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To be fair, the PA-63 is also nice shooting gun. A normal version would make a decent carry option.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 20, 2021 06:46 PM (llXky)

126 ERF's post about using a flintlock to get used to avoiding flinching is traditional wisdom. I'll say this much, a properly tuned flintlock (and not just the very expensive ones) should not be appreciably slower than percussion. However, many of them used to be and the suggestion from his dad is correct.

For some reason I never flinched from the sparks and smoke, so that wasn't a problem. (Likely due to the coke bottle glasses I wore back then. They felt heavy enough to stop artillery.)

Posted by: JTB at June 20, 2021 06:46 PM (7EjX1)

127 If you want it and can afford it, make it yours.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 20, 2021 06:37 PM (llXky)


This one wouldn't be a passion purchase, just a bit of speculation, hedge against inflation, never know what's down the road, stuff it in the back of the safe unless it turns out that I love shooting it, kind of deal.

That's why I'm a bit on the fence. Hey, it's a SIG, so I know I'm not buying a Hi-Point, here. Quality of the gun isn't the question, either. Just looking for some experienced SiG-O'philes to render their judgement as to $500 being no/maybe/yes on the package. P.S. Seller is known to me as trusted from the L.E. world


Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at June 20, 2021 06:46 PM (QzJWU)

128 , I agree it's time for a change.

Ao who should I vote for ...

Posted by: Jean at June 20, 2021 06:46 PM (y5QqT)

129 Posted by: RI Red at June 20, 2021 06:42 PM (/u+Iq)

It is fun to plink away with a .22. I have got to get my nephew out to the range so I can use his. I do not know why but he has not been to the range in at least a year.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 20, 2021 06:48 PM (mcfjc)

130 Thanks Weasel. Mountain time has cut into my posting. Typically I'm on the ONT early in the morning with those talking breakfast and work. It's been tough with the time change.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at June 20, 2021 06:48 PM (lHHNQ)

131 " When I upgraded to inline with deer hunting, the difference in time was one of the first things I noticed."

ERF,

As a lover of traditional style muzzleloaders and having no interest in inline types, I cannot regard an inline as an 'upgrade'.

Let the wars begin! :-)

Posted by: JTB at June 20, 2021 06:49 PM (7EjX1)

132 30's commercial Mauser C96, 7.65, with stock. reblued. $1500

good price ? not so much ?

always wanted a Broomhandle, but ...

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at June 20, 2021 06:45 PM (wHoql)

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Without seeing it, that sounds like a decent buy. Collectors look at things like original finish, matching serial numbers, etc. If it's refinished, the collecting value took a big hit, but if the bore is good and bright, grips are decent, it would be worth looking at.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 20, 2021 06:49 PM (llXky)

133 @scuba_dude yes .46 a round was the best 9mm range ammo price I saw at the show. Double what it was last February but half what it was in January.

Posted by: blaster at June 20, 2021 06:50 PM (4q7lA)

134
Weasel is being seduced by the CoB Side.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 20, 2021 06:46 PM (DMUuz)
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Sold out to Big CoB! What can I say? Greatness was thrust upon me.

Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2021 06:50 PM (MVjcR)

135 I found some nickel plated Grendel brass that I can resize to 6arc, I had forgotten how slippery nickel is. I had to buy another hundred.

Posted by: ck at June 20, 2021 06:50 PM (iBg56)

136 that was sure some nice ammo that the Germans made for the .303's during the 80's. Scuttlebutt was that it was made for export to certain troubled areas where Enfields were plentiful. but that is just a rumor.
Posted by: whig at June 20, 2021 06:40 PM (pO7gM)

Wow...did not know that. I bought a ammo can of 500? rounds some years ago and it sat on the shelf in the gun room so when I said Tuesday "what to shoot, what to shoot" I saw the ammo can and said "time to go". Shot about 200 rounds Friday so still have a bit left.

Thanks for the info whig!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 20, 2021 06:50 PM (R/m4+)

137 I don't think MA is nearly as bad as MD for cc. It is up to local police chiefs. I took the class and as a real estate agent, could have qualified but at that point in my life I wasn't smart enough to follow through.
It is almost impossible to qualify in MD and even if you could, the requirements and costs are steep.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 20, 2021 06:51 PM (sd8p8)

138 Posted by: Jim at June 20, 2021 06:46 PM (QzJWU)
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You know what I'm going to say.

Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2021 06:51 PM (MVjcR)

139 Jim, re the P-238

Flip a coin, heads = yes, tails = no.

It doesn't matter which side was up, the question is 'how did you feel the moment you saw it?'. Happy, or would you have preferred the opposite?

There is your answer, amigo.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 20, 2021 06:51 PM (DMUuz)

140 And also, trust your gut. If something seems wrong, go in the other direction.
Posted by: nurse ratched at June 20, 2021 06:43 PM (U2p+3)
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I do not get people who run around all day with headphones on or ear buds. And it really drives me nuts when people are exercising, whether jogging or riding a bike, with music playing. When I'm out and about, I depend on my ears to hear people coming up on me.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at June 20, 2021 06:51 PM (2SdPm)

141 To expand on my point: you can buy a gun as a collector or because you fancy them. My C96 was built out of spare parts. Nothing matches, the finish is wrecked, and so it shouldn't be worth much. But...

I've swapped out every spring, re-lined the barrel, replaced the grips and obtained a stock, so if you want to shoot one without any guilt, that's what it's there for.

Just keep in mind that collecting to shoot and collecting to build value are generally diametrically opposed to each other.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 20, 2021 06:52 PM (llXky)

142 Affirmative on bullet availability, Weasel. I ordered some Wipe Out from Midway and checked and they had 140 g. Hornady Match HPBT! Ordered one box to go over $50 for free shipping.
Woke up this morning and said, "Self, why didn't you see if you could order more?"
Ordered two more boxes this am, plus something else I can't even remember.
300 bullets in my rifle's favorite menu is good.

Posted by: RI Red at June 20, 2021 06:52 PM (/u+Iq)

143 Posted by: Jim at June 20, 2021 06:46 PM (QzJWU)

Jim, wish I could tell you. But I am unsure if that is a Jump On It price.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 20, 2021 06:52 PM (mcfjc)

144 Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at June 20, 2021 06:48 PM (lHHNQ)
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Nice to have you back.

Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2021 06:53 PM (MVjcR)

145 To be fair, the PA-63 is also nice shooting gun. A normal version would make a decent carry option.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 20, 2021 06:46 PM (llXky)

Hell yeah! If I saw one in my travels for a decent price I would buy it and would carry it no problem.

FEG makes good stuff.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 20, 2021 06:53 PM (R/m4+)

146 Re: NRA elections. I'm not a voting member because I let my membership lapse for a while but when I was, I would always take the recommendations of Neal Knox, and after his passing, his son's. You can find those at https://firearmscoalition.org/. The best recommendation for Neal was that LaPierre got him drummed out of the NRA leadership.

Posted by: Oddbob at June 20, 2021 06:53 PM (nfrXX)

147 In watching the video, I've explained to my spouse, and she agrees, that, I get the seat facing the door when we go out.

Also, I'm not sure about the relying on windows thing, though, the ability to see someone behind you is good, but, I think "head on a swivel" is a better approach.

YMMV.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at June 20, 2021 06:54 PM (2SdPm)

148 GUN THREAD!!!

I think I'm going to buy myself a Browning Buckmark UDE 22pistol for my birfday.

Posted by: Ladyl at June 20, 2021 06:55 PM (+4oV5)

149 can anybody recommend a high visibility paint I can use to touch up the front sight on a gun? I'm looking for neon green orange, yellow, something like that



just a dot, not painting the whole thing

Posted by: DB- just DB at June 20, 2021 06:37 PM (iTXRQ)

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try a really bright nail polish, maybe?

Posted by: redc1c4 *OTUS Zhou Bai-Din Cheated & we all know it. at June 20, 2021 06:56 PM (makEl)

150 Posted by: Ladyl at June 20, 2021 06:55 PM (+4oV5)
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Happy Birthday!!

Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2021 06:56 PM (MVjcR)

151 60 Jim SND,
I have shot the P238 and it was the firearm that I recommended to a close relative to purchase and trained them on it after that.

They are very accurate and have the ergonomics of a chopped 1911 with excellent reliability. I would have no hesitations about buying one. Holsters and magazines are widely available. One of the best pistols in .380 by my opinion.

Posted by: whig at June 20, 2021 06:56 PM (pO7gM)

152 Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at June 20, 2021 06:51 PM (2SdPm)

The only time I am wearing headphones is if I am at the gym or on the bus to work (which I have been to neither for over a year). When I am riding the bicycle or taking a walk I will not wear them because I too want to hear what is going on around me.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 20, 2021 06:56 PM (mcfjc)

153
150 Posted by: Ladyl at June 20, 2021 06:55 PM (+4oV5)
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Happy Birthday!!
Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2021 06:56 PM (MVjcR)


Sweet Jesus Mary and Joseph it's not yet!

Posted by: Ladyl at June 20, 2021 06:57 PM (+4oV5)

154 Happy Fathers Day y'all.
I'm told I'm behind on making martinis so just a quick hello.
Bless you Weaz. Gun thread makes me smile.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 20, 2021 06:58 PM (axyOa)

155 That's why I'm a bit on the fence. Hey, it's a SIG,
so I know I'm not buying a Hi-Point, here. Quality of the gun isn't
the question, either. Just looking for some experienced SiG-O'philes to
render their judgement as to $500 being no/maybe/yes on the package.
P.S. Seller is known to me as trusted from the L.E. world


Posted by: Jim at June 20, 2021 06:46 PM (QzJWU)

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I like SIGs lot, and you're right - as a hedge, it will probably hold its value. As I said, if you want it and can afford it, get it. I think prices are falling due to Covid money running out and because people can only panic buy for so long.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 20, 2021 06:58 PM (llXky)

156 Posted by: Ladyl at June 20, 2021 06:57 PM (+4oV5)
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I wanted to beat the rush.

Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2021 06:59 PM (MVjcR)

157 I like sigs but the 938 is not my favorite. Proportions are off on its take on the 1911 for my taste.

New they are about 700 msrp and street seems a little less. $500 seems a decent price but not necessarily have to buy.

Posted by: blaster at June 20, 2021 07:00 PM (4q7lA)

158 The only time I am wearing headphones is if I am at the gym or on the bus to work (which I have been to neither for over a year). When I am riding the bicycle or taking a walk I will not wear them because I too want to hear what is going on around me.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 20, 2021 06:56 PM (mcfjc)
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Somewhere in what I said, there was supposed to be an "exercising in public" caveat. My bad.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at June 20, 2021 07:00 PM (2SdPm)

159 Not sure what to think about the NRA. Don't trust them since the revelations came out about Lapierre and the wasting of money. Like everything else, especially Washington DC, I suspect that money has corrupted the NRA. Will not give them another dime.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at June 20, 2021 07:00 PM (lHHNQ)

160 ..I think I'm going to buy myself a Browning Buckmark UDE 22pistol for my birfday.
Posted by: Ladyl at June 20, 2021 06:55 PM (+4oV5)


I'll give you a bonus 100 rounds for your birthday, at the TxMoMeet. Put that in your Buckmark and smoke 'em!

*whig*, thanks. Good to get a solid recommendation from you on that. I think I'll counter the offer at $450, and see if that flies. That would be a Grab It Now Price, I believe. Can't hurt to try!

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at June 20, 2021 07:00 PM (QzJWU)

161 Posted by: Diogenes at June 20, 2021 06:58 PM (axyOa)
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Thank you very much!

Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2021 07:01 PM (MVjcR)

162 I was on the Sig website the other day looking for a new recoil spring ( I think I have almost 3k rounds through it), sadly they are out of stock. :-(
Man, I am having no luck lately. Hmmph

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 20, 2021 07:01 PM (mcfjc)

163 Don't trust them since the revelations came out about Lapierre and the wasting of money. Like everything else, especially Washington DC, I suspect that money has corrupted the NRA. Will not give them another dime.
Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at June 20, 2021 07:00 PM (lHHNQ)
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Unfortunately, some clubs require NRA membership for matches and that club membership is also needed for CMP purchases.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at June 20, 2021 07:02 PM (2SdPm)

164 Dropped my NRA membership a few years ago. Been looking at GOA.

Posted by: Infidel at June 20, 2021 07:02 PM (dYrVA)

165 ..I think I'm going to buy myself a Browning Buckmark UDE 22pistol for my birfday.
Posted by: Ladyl at June 20, 2021 06:55 PM (+4oV5)

I'll give you a bonus 100 rounds for your birthday, at the TxMoMeet. Put that in your Buckmark and smoke 'em!

*whig*, thanks. Good to get a solid recommendation from you on that. I think I'll counter the offer at $450, and see if that flies. That would be a Grab It Now Price, I believe. Can't hurt to try!

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX


You are the BEST Jim!

Posted by: Ladyl at June 20, 2021 07:03 PM (+4oV5)

166 Jim,

Academy Sports did sell a bunch of P238's which is where my relative bought it new several years ago for about 550 or so with a coupon for a third magazine. You might price check there for a comparison and the mags were about 35-40 per last time that I checked. Dunno if they ship with two or one magazine now.

Posted by: whig at June 20, 2021 07:03 PM (pO7gM)

167 164 Dropped my NRA membership a few years ago. Been looking at GOA.
Posted by: Infidel at June 20, 2021 07:02 PM (dYrVA)
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Good outfit. Since I am an NRA Life Member, they're the ones who get my money now.

Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2021 07:03 PM (MVjcR)

168 BTW, in light of last week's thread, Mrs. JTB and I have been going through our supplies and doing some research. We had a number of the suggested items already. The tourniquets and some other gear arrived today. Most of the rest will be here this week. Thanks to all for offering so many good suggestions and why.

One item will have many uses: a head lamp that runs on AAA batteries. The band can be adjusted for my big coconut or Mrs. JTB's more delicate one.

At Costco in the battery area we found a three pack of them by Duracell. The light can be set to narrow or wide and includes a red setting which would be useful for night fishing or using a telescope at night. I'm impressed so far with the setup and quality.

One will be in the first aid kit, one in the house if the power goes out, and one in my gun cleaning box. I really like good lighting when cleaning guns. I'm tempted to get another 3 pack of them just to have around. If I didn't already have a lighted magnifyer for fly tying I would keep one of these head lamps available for that.

Posted by: JTB at June 20, 2021 07:04 PM (7EjX1)

169 I was on the Sig website the other day looking for a new recoil spring ...

Try Wolff, https://www.gunsprings.com/. The ones I've used in the past (in High Standards mostly) have been very good quality.

Posted by: Oddbob at June 20, 2021 07:04 PM (nfrXX)

170 blake. That stinks. I guess people have to bite the ugly bullet (pun intended) and keep their membership up. I only joined because I thought they were fighting the good fight. Who knew they were lining their pockets with our cold, hard cash.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at June 20, 2021 07:04 PM (lHHNQ)

171 156 Posted by: Ladyl at June 20, 2021 06:57 PM (+4oV5)
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I wanted to beat the rush.
Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2021 06:59 PM (MVjcR)


Awwww you sweetie pie.

Posted by: Ladyl at June 20, 2021 07:04 PM (+4oV5)

172 Dropped my NRA membership a few years ago. Been looking at GOA.

Posted by: Infidel at June 20, 2021 07:02 PM (dYrVA)

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If GoA starts gaining strength, look for the media to suddenly declare it to be "extreme," not like the "moderate" NRA.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 20, 2021 07:04 PM (llXky)

173 And for any Moron/Ette shooter who doesn't have one yet.
Get thee hence and buy a Ruger 10-.22! At whatever price you pay it will earn its keep now, during and after the Burning Times.
And you can shoot a hundred rounds without taking out a second mortgage loan. Even at inflated prices.
And it goes Ting!

Posted by: RI Red at June 20, 2021 07:05 PM (/u+Iq)

174
Awwww you sweetie pie.
Posted by: Ladyl at June 20, 2021 07:04 PM (+4oV5)
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That's me!

Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2021 07:05 PM (MVjcR)

175 Jim SBD @ 59- Buy it. It's pretty much like a M-11A1, right? That's a little beauty.

Posted by: Eromero at June 20, 2021 07:05 PM (0OP+5)

176 Like everything else, especially Washington DC, I suspect that money has corrupted the NRA. Will not give them another dime.
Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at June 20, 2021 07:00 PM (lHHNQ)

Concur. I used to be a member. To be fair they do a decent job but the leadership has to change. Eddie Eagle should be in every government/private high skool as well as rifle/pistol ranges and rifle and pistol teams.

Go on offense and stop playing defense all the time.

I joined GOA. Less Fudd, Less Wayne LaPenis.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 20, 2021 07:06 PM (R/m4+)

177
Try Wolff, https://www.gunsprings.com/. The ones I've used in the past (in High Standards mostly) have been very good quality.
Posted by: Oddbob at June 20, 2021 07:04 PM (nfrXX)
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Agreed.

Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2021 07:06 PM (MVjcR)

178 Happy Father's Day to all the Horde.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 20, 2021 07:07 PM (I2wAU)

179 Ammo is not the problem for us reloaders with plenty of lead and powder.

Primers are the problem. Particularly Federal SP, LP, SR, and LR primers. But no matter, CCI, Remington, Winchester...they're all out.

Then there's the lack of 209 primers for shotguns.

Nobody has primers in stock. Been this way for months.

Posted by: Dan at June 20, 2021 07:07 PM (+NG5U)

180 Posted by: Ben Had at June 20, 2021 07:07 PM (I2wAU)
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Howdy Ben Had!

Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2021 07:07 PM (MVjcR)

181 Thanks, Ben Had!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at June 20, 2021 07:08 PM (2SdPm)

182 No problems Jim, I like firing it every now and again when visiting my relative and it fed every type of bullet profile with no problem. Did not require a breakin period either. Fun gun for me. My other Sig is an older surplus P6 aka P225 which is one of the more accurate 9's that I have fired but a bit picky on ammo due to not liking certain bullet profiles.

Posted by: whig at June 20, 2021 07:08 PM (pO7gM)

183 Ben Had is here!!! Ben Had is here!!!

Posted by: Ladyl at June 20, 2021 07:08 PM (+4oV5)

184 Idonotwanttorunoutofammophobia
That's my disease
I now have 4 brand spanking new toys and have been afraid to expend the ammo due to difficulty and expense in replacement. However, that being said, I am making plans to pull the trigger regardless. Range report forthcoming.

Posted by: 10 Gallon Hat at June 20, 2021 07:08 PM (FpvLM)

185 Posted by: Oddbob at June 20, 2021 07:04 PM (nfrXX)

Thanks Oddbob!! I will check them out.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 20, 2021 07:09 PM (mcfjc)

186 Range report forthcoming.
Posted by: 10 Gallon Hat at June 20, 2021 07:08 PM (FpvLM)
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Welcome and look forward to your report. If you like, email it to me with a target pic and I will put it in the thread.

Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2021 07:10 PM (MVjcR)

187 162 Scuba Dude,

I can recommend Top Gun Supply out of Ohio as a good source for official Sig parts. Good pricing and shipping times. They had some oddball uncommon parts like the Short Release Trigger for some of the older Sigs back when I needed such.

Posted by: whig at June 20, 2021 07:10 PM (pO7gM)

188 Yeah, life member at NRA means you don't have to pay any more money. Even though they ask all the time.
Lots of members means lots of political weight, but leadership has gone astray.
I think GOA and SSFA? are pulling their weight in 2 Am lawsuits.

Posted by: RI Red at June 20, 2021 07:12 PM (/u+Iq)

189 Situational Awareness: Just watched a vid of some black guys in Chicago pull out a Puerto Rican couple from their car and shoot them.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 20, 2021 07:13 PM (r+sAi)

190 179 Dan, part of the issue is that ammo makers make more profit including foreign makers from loaded ammo right now than they do from sales of primers.

Last crunch, Fiocchi, S&B, and Wolf sold primers to importers here. Does not seem to be happening this time. In addition, Remington was taken out of the game and is just now getting back up to speed on ammo production.

Posted by: whig at June 20, 2021 07:13 PM (pO7gM)

191
Not a horrid price, but is it a Jump On It Price? It's nice gun, no doubt 'bout that.

What say ye, Horde?

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: J



what is fair

Posted by: confederatefifth at June 20, 2021 07:14 PM (jaNSQ)

192 I'm making a list
1 Never have your back to the door
2 Never get out of the boat
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Don't ever let your feet get tangled in the rungs of a bar stool.

Posted by: dartist at June 20, 2021 07:14 PM (+ya+t)

193 Posted by: whig at June 20, 2021 07:10 PM (pO7gM)

Thanks Whig. I think I should start bookmarking these places. ;-)

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 20, 2021 07:15 PM (mcfjc)

194 192 I'm making a list
1 Never have your back to the door
2 Never get out of the boat
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Don't ever let your feet get tangled in the rungs of a bar stool.
Posted by: dartist at June 20, 2021 07:14 PM (+ya+t)
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Don't let Scuba_Dude handle your firearms.

Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2021 07:15 PM (MVjcR)

195 Don't ever let your feet get tangled in the rungs of a bar stool.
Posted by: dartist at June 20, 2021 07:14 PM (+ya+t)

Never get involved in a land war in Asia.

Posted by: RI Red at June 20, 2021 07:16 PM (/u+Iq)

196 The only time I am wearing headphones is if I am at the gym or on the bus to work (which I have been to neither for over a year). When I am riding the bicycle or taking a walk I will not wear them because I too want to hear what is going on around me.
Posted by: S


headphones, mass transit, ny?

never wear headphones in ny.

1. dangerous

2. there is funny and or interesting shit everywhere around you.

Posted by: confederatefifth at June 20, 2021 07:17 PM (jaNSQ)

197 Try finding primers on your local gun trade exchanges. I've paid up to 8 cents per, but I'm well stocked!! Check the Hodgdon website for powder, it changes daily.

Posted by: ck at June 20, 2021 07:17 PM (iBg56)

198 Stogie completed.

Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2021 07:18 PM (MVjcR)

199 don't start an interstellar war !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at June 20, 2021 07:18 PM (wHoql)

200 Don't let Scuba_Dude handle your firearms.
Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2021 07:15 PM (MVjcR)

Hey, I think you're on to something!
I haven't shot sub half MOA since he was here!

Posted by: RI Red at June 20, 2021 07:19 PM (/u+Iq)

201 Don't let Scuba_Dude handle your firearms.

Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2021 07:15 PM (MVjcR)

HEY!!!!
Oh wait, that actually might be a good idea. :-p

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 20, 2021 07:19 PM (mcfjc)

202 Last crunch, Fiocchi, SB, and Wolf sold primers
to importers here. Does not seem to be happening this time. In
addition, Remington was taken out of the game and is just now getting
back up to speed on ammo production.

Posted by: whig at June 20, 2021 07:13 PM

remington had it's own issues before covid hit. I don't see them making any reloading components for the foreseeable future. They literally can't keep up with ammo orders at this point. Reloading components are going to be on the back burner for them for the immediate future.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at June 20, 2021 07:20 PM (JUOKG)

203 if you take out the three mentioned at ammoland, and know that Sutterland from AL and Lipak from TX dropped out, you could vote for the 25 people left.

Kim Rhode is an Olympic class shooter, and plaintiff #1 on the ammo lawsuit here in #Failifornia, so that speaks well of her.

Posted by: redc1c4 *OTUS Zhou Bai-Din Cheated & we all know it. at June 20, 2021 07:21 PM (makEl)

204 Posted by: confederatefifth at June 20, 2021 07:17 PM (jaNSQ)

The Express bus is much more expensive than the regular bus, so I am hoping a better class of people. Oh wait, it IS NYC. Guess not headphones for me!!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 20, 2021 07:21 PM (mcfjc)

205 Scoobs, I still can't figure why it would digest 175s, but not 165s.
But that is why I am not an armorer.

Posted by: RI Red at June 20, 2021 07:21 PM (/u+Iq)

206 Not a horrid price, but is it a Jump On It Price? It's nice gun, no doubt 'bout that.

What say ye, Horde?

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: J



You are the guy that is the advocate of 2 is 1 and 1 is none, so do you want an oddball in the armory?

Posted by: confederatefifth at June 20, 2021 07:22 PM (jaNSQ)

207 205 Scoobs, I still can't figure why it would digest 175s, but not 165s.
But that is why I am not an armorer.
Posted by: RI Red at June 20, 2021 07:21 PM (/u+Iq)
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Variable chamber tightness. Seen it a million times.

Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2021 07:22 PM (MVjcR)

208 Also, I'm not sure about the relying on windows thing, though, the ability to see someone behind you is good, but, I think "head on a swivel" is a better approach.

YMMV.


Understand that "head on a swivel" will get you additional attention from video security. Watch public video feeds and you'll notice that hardly anyone no one looks around them.

Then go watch a video of someone who is fixin' to be up to no go, their head is on a swivel. This sticks out like a flashing red light to security personnel looking for possible criminal action.

If you want extra special screening, make sure that you look around a lot, particularly checking six.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at June 20, 2021 07:23 PM (eRIsq)

209 Also, I'm not sure about the relying on windows thing, though, the ability to see someone behind you is good, but, I think "head on a swivel" is a better approach.

YMMV.


Understand that "head on a swivel" will get you additional attention from video security. Watch public video feeds and you'll notice that hardly anyone no one looks around them.

Then go watch a video of someone who is fixin' to be up to no go, their head is on a swivel. This sticks out like a flashing red light to security personnel looking for possible criminal action.

If you want extra special screening, make sure that you look around a lot, particularly checking six.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at June 20, 2021 07:23 PM (eRIsq)

210 Hmmm, how much is it worth to you for me to not come to the TXMoMe and try all those lovely, lovely firearms?
Heh heh heh, I just might be able to retire early after all. (Evil Grin)

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 20, 2021 07:23 PM (mcfjc)

211 Thanks for the gun thread, Weasel. Catch you next time.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at June 20, 2021 07:23 PM (7bRMQ)

212 Hey everyone I'm home! The time went too fast but I enjoyed my trip so much! I wish you could see how beautiful my grandkids and great grandkids are! Anyway we had a good time! Good to be home.

Posted by: Jewells45 at June 20, 2021 07:24 PM (nxdel)

213 my Sportsmen's club in South Jersey (Yes, different than North Jersey) has asked members to support Scott Bach and Anthony Colandro from New Jersey. I'd say it's because they are from NJ but that's just from looking at the ballot.

Posted by: JerseyDevilRider at June 20, 2021 07:24 PM (XEfn8)

214 The Express bus is much more expensive than the regular bus, so I am hoping a better class of people. Oh wait, it IS NYC. Guess not headphones for me!!
Posted by: S




I thought that was what you were doing.

I never wore headphones in ny, mostly as a security thing, however, I overheard some of the most interesting and amusing things I have ever heard just by being in the city.

the city has its issues but it is definitely interesting and amusing.

Posted by: confederatefifth at June 20, 2021 07:24 PM (jaNSQ)

215 FWIW, I checked Academy Sports online and the price for their p238 with one mag is 529 out the door.

Posted by: whig at June 20, 2021 07:24 PM (pO7gM)

216 Posted by: OrangeEnt at June 20, 2021 07:23 PM (7bRMQ)
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My pleasure, OrangeEnt. Happy to have you here!

Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2021 07:24 PM (MVjcR)

217 If you want extra special screening, make sure that you look around a lot, particularly checking six.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at June 20, 2021 07:23 PM (eRIsq)

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So the camera jockey wets his pants but I get to avoid getting cold-cocked in the back of the head?

Fair trade.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 20, 2021 07:24 PM (llXky)

218 Weasel (or anyone), what does "in boxer primed" mean, and what are the other options?

Posted by: GWB at June 20, 2021 07:25 PM (MNGJ/)

219 If anyone knows where I can buy primers for reloading, I would appreciate the 411.

Posted by: Muad'dib at June 20, 2021 07:25 PM (cWeC0)

220 Glad that you had a great trip Jewells!

Posted by: Infidel at June 20, 2021 07:26 PM (dYrVA)

221 If anyone knows where I can buy primers for reloading, I would appreciate the 411.
Posted by: Muad'dib at June 20, 2021 07:25 PM (cWeC0)
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Howdy, Muad'dib! Primers seem to be a tough hustle right now.

Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2021 07:26 PM (MVjcR)

222 Posted by: DB- just DB at June 20, 2021 06:37 PM (iTXRQ)


I used Testor's on my Citadel 9mm 1911. But it seems much harder to get in the sorts of variety I was used to in my prime model-building and miniature-painting years, unless you pay a premium.

Posted by: GWB at June 20, 2021 07:26 PM (MNGJ/)

223 Variable chamber tightness. Seen it a million times.
Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2021 07:22 PM (MVjcR)

Weasel! I didn't think you were running an intimacy disfunction site here!

Posted by: RI Red at June 20, 2021 07:26 PM (/u+Iq)

224 If you want extra special screening, make sure that you look around a lot, particularly checking six.
Posted by: Reuben Hick at June 20, 2021 07:23 PM (eRIsq)
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I don't always check my six, but, 180+ you bet. Mainly because I prefer to avoid getting run over by people who aren't paying attention.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at June 20, 2021 07:27 PM (2SdPm)

225 Posted by: confederatefifth at June 20, 2021 07:24 PM (jaNSQ)
If I want to listen to music I will put my headphones on in the bus. But I will usually be reading or catching a few zzzz's.
At my gym I will wear the headphones because I want to listen to my music, not the music they are playing. Of course there are plenty of mirrors in the gym so I can see what is going on around me.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 20, 2021 07:27 PM (mcfjc)

226 FWIW, I checked Academy Sports online and the price for their p238 with one mag is 529 out the door.
Posted by: whig at June 20, 2021 07:24 PM (pO7gM)

Tip: buy the Springfield mags for your P238. Almost half the price as the Sig mags.

Posted by: Just a side note at June 20, 2021 07:27 PM (2DOZq)

227 218 Weasel (or anyone), what does "in boxer primed" mean, and what are the other options?
Posted by: GWB at June 20, 2021 07:25 PM (MNGJ/)
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Boxer = single flash hole. Easily reloadable.
Berdan = double flash hole. Not easily reloadable.

Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2021 07:28 PM (MVjcR)

228 >
Howdy, Muad'dib! Primers seem to be a tough hustle right now.
Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2021 07:26 PM (MVjcR)



Howdy Weasel! More like impossible... I'm on email notifications for all the usual suspects and have been since January. Nada.

Posted by: Muad'dib at June 20, 2021 07:28 PM (cWeC0)

229 Hey everyone I'm home! The time went too fast but I enjoyed my trip so much! I wish you could see how beautiful my grandkids and great grandkids are! Anyway we had a good time! Good to be home.
Posted by: Jewells45 at June 20, 2021 07:24 PM (nxdel)
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congrats!

By the way, my 6'4" grandson graduates HS next year and is just starting his first job.

Gad, am I old.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at June 20, 2021 07:28 PM (2SdPm)

230 ..You are the guy that is the advocate of 2 is 1 and 1 is none, so do you want an oddball in the armory?
Posted by: confederatefifth at June 20, 2021 07:22 PM (jaNSQ)


You do have a point. You shall henceforth, stay out of my armory!

/snrk!


Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at June 20, 2021 07:29 PM (QzJWU)

231 I don't even wear headphones in my house.

Posted by: Just a side note at June 20, 2021 07:29 PM (2DOZq)

232 Reloading components are going to be on the back burner for them for the immediate future.


Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at June 20, 2021 07:20 PM (JUOKG)

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Okay, I'm one of those idiots who doesn't reload, so I'm obviously short bus/summer school material, but...

What's the point of reloading if all available production resources are going to new ammo? I mean, I get the economy of reloading in normal times, which is fine. But people have been telling me for years that come the Burning Times reloaders will be laughing from their thrones of stockpiled components while the rest of us will be scrounging for flintlocks.

At the risk of being unnecessarily provocative, I think there is *zero difference* at this point between having stockpile ammo vs stockpiled components. Okay, maybe not zero - components aren't ready to use.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 20, 2021 07:29 PM (llXky)

233 223 Variable chamber tightness. Seen it a million times.
Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2021 07:22 PM (MVjcR)

Weasel! I didn't think you were running an intimacy disfunction site here!
Posted by: RI Red at June 20, 2021 07:26 PM (/u+Iq)
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Good point, I'll do better!

Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2021 07:29 PM (MVjcR)

234 Copy that Weasel, will do.
Happy Father's Day and thanks for the thread!

Posted by: 10 Gallon Hat at June 20, 2021 07:29 PM (vYoQI)

235 Weasel (or anyone), what does "in boxer primed" mean, and what are the other options?

Boxer primed is what you're used to in the US, i.e. a single, centered flash hole. The alternative is Berdan primed, which used two flash holes. Boxer primed is much more desirable if you're going to reload the brass for the obvious reason that Berdan brass is a PITA to decap.

Posted by: Oddbob at June 20, 2021 07:29 PM (nfrXX)

236 What say ye, Horde?

Jim

Sunk New Dawn

Galveston, TX

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if you can afford it, buy it.

while you still can buy gubs.

Posted by: redc1c4 *OTUS Zhou Bai-Din Cheated & we all know it. at June 20, 2021 07:29 PM (makEl)

237 Weasel (or anyone), what does "in boxer primed" mean, and what are the other options?
Posted by: GWB at June 20, 2021 07:25 PM (MNGJ/)


Boxer is much easier to reload because you can remove the primer mechanically. Berdan can be decapped, but you usually have to use a water slug to pop it out. There are other differences, but Boxer is shorthand for "reloadable cases".

Posted by: hogmartin at June 20, 2021 07:29 PM (ghoDT)

238 Remington's ammo operation is now owned by real ammo makers who can pay their bills. Remington was at the point where they had to pay cash up front for all of their components . 762x39 has several offers below 28 cents now, things are changing. I should have sold all of my 30-30 while it was at $3 a pop. LOL

Posted by: ck at June 20, 2021 07:30 PM (iBg56)

239 Berdan = double flash hole. Not easily reloadable.
Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2021 07:28 PM (MVjcR)
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Yeah, good luck finding primers.

You've no idea how badly I want to reload my Swiss ammo.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at June 20, 2021 07:30 PM (2SdPm)

240 >
By the way, my 6'4" grandson graduates HS next year and is just starting his first job.

Gad, am I old.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at June 20, 2021 07:28 PM (2SdPm)


The 29 yo math is not computing....

Posted by: Muad'dib at June 20, 2021 07:30 PM (cWeC0)

241 Most American thing?

37mm AT gun towed behind a Toyota Tacoma?

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 20, 2021 07:30 PM (fbppv)

242 Posted by: Muad'dib at June 20, 2021 07:28 PM (cWeC0)
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Sorry man. Hey - send me an email when you have a chance. Thx.

Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2021 07:30 PM (MVjcR)

243 You do have a point. You shall henceforth, stay out of my armory!

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: J


I agree with your thoughts about 2 and 1.

There are many sexy and seductive things whispering that they need to be bought and owned that I would go for except, I do not need them and do not want a safe stuffed with 1 offs.

Posted by: confederatefifth at June 20, 2021 07:31 PM (jaNSQ)

244 >I used Testor's on my Citadel 9mm 1911. But it seems much harder to get in the sorts of variety I was used to...
Posted by: GWB


I was just on Hobby Lobby website and they have those tiny little Testors bottles for $2 per
fluorescent yellow, orange, etc

Posted by: DB- just DB at June 20, 2021 07:31 PM (iTXRQ)

245 Howdy Hogmartin!

Posted by: Muad'dib at June 20, 2021 07:31 PM (cWeC0)

246 If anyone knows where I can buy primers for reloading, I would appreciate the 411.

Posted by: Muad'dib at June 20, 2021 07:25 PM (cWeC0)

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Obligatory: Tell me about the primers of your homeworld.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 20, 2021 07:32 PM (llXky)

247 Load up that p238 with Hornady 90 grain FTX Critical Defense and you're GTG. Personally I believe 9mm is demonstrably a better round. But today's cartridge technology in .380 gives it a run for the money.

Posted by: Marcus T at June 20, 2021 07:32 PM (CyB2R)

248 Harumph!
Variable chambers and primed Boxers.

I love this place.

Posted by: RI Red at June 20, 2021 07:32 PM (/u+Iq)

249 Howdy Hogmartin!
Posted by: Muad'dib at June 20, 2021 07:31 PM (cWeC0)


Hallo there.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 20, 2021 07:32 PM (ghoDT)

250 GWB, the main two cartridge priming systems are Boxer which was invented by an Englishman and Berdan which was invented by an American army officer. Berdan is reloadable with special equipment but is generally a pain to do so and inadvisable for steel or aluminum. Berdan priming systems are mainly used by countries outside of the US. The brass itself has an anvil and usually two primer flash holes and will generally bend a depriming pin if you get one mixed in with range brass and are depriming brass. The Boxer system is much easier to reload as the anvil and priming cup and compound come together as a one piece priming unit. The brass has one priming flash hole.

The older priming system is the one used by rim fire where the priming compound is spun around the cartridge rim and thus rimfire firing pins strike the rim to fire the cartridge. It is not as dependable as either the Berdan or Boxer system and one reason why you should not generally rely on a rimfire for personal protection. Often at a range, you will often find several rimfire cartridges that did not ignite upon being struck by the firing pin generally due to priming problems or not being struck hard enough.

Posted by: whig at June 20, 2021 07:32 PM (pO7gM)

251 I saw the news earlier this week on the new gun laws the Texas signed into law this week.
Bravo!One that I saw is that one can now bring their firearms into their hotel room. That is one I like seeing, especially come October.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 20, 2021 07:32 PM (mcfjc)

252 Posted by: 10 Gallon Hat at June 20, 2021 07:29 PM (vYoQI)
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Happy to do it. Thanks!

Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2021 07:33 PM (MVjcR)

253 The 29 yo math is not computing....
Posted by: Muad'dib at June 20, 2021 07:30 PM (cWeC0)
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I'm (29 / 2) * 4.275862069

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at June 20, 2021 07:33 PM (2SdPm)

254 ..Boxer = single flash hole. Easily reloadable.
Berdan = double flash hole. Not easily reloadable.
Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2021 07:28 PM (MVjcR)


Also. Boxer = anvil self-contained within the primer cup. Berdan = anvil incorporated into the cartridge case, hence necessitating the two flash holes, one on either side of the integral anvil.

Also. Berdan = have to usually hydraulically de-prime, as lining up a push-probe type de-priming tool though those two smaller flash holes, much less aligning said tool with those holes, would be slow, painstaking, slow, annoying and slow. Did I say slow? I meant to say slow.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at June 20, 2021 07:33 PM (QzJWU)

255 if you can afford it, buy it.

while you still can buy gubs.
Posted by: r


you are worried over that?

I think we are going to have a bunch of bargins coming availabl between now and year end. It is not just the new gun owners and Trump haters that bought everything they could in 2020 but the speculators that are going to have to unload theiry buys.

Posted by: confederatefifth at June 20, 2021 07:33 PM (jaNSQ)

256 We've been life members and higher of the NRA for a long time but the last few years I've been increasingly dissatisfied with the leadership. I'm also sick of the CONSTANT requests for more money and offers for insurance and such that I don't need or want. More people should have listened to Ollie North's warnings about La Pierre. They won't get another penny from us and we are checking out GOA and the Virginia group.

Posted by: JTB at June 20, 2021 07:34 PM (7EjX1)

257 Herself went through all the candidates, and marked up her recommendations, which i will both follow forward to the gub thread for next week, with a write up of how she chose who she did.
Posted by: redc1c4 *OTUS Zhou Bai-Din Cheated & we all know it. at June 20, 2021 06:09 PM (makEl)

Thanks

Posted by: Fox2! at June 20, 2021 07:34 PM (qyH+l)

258 I'm surprised there aren't more people with hearing probs using ear phones or whatever. I have to hear what's going on around me wherever I'm at.

Posted by: dartist at June 20, 2021 07:34 PM (+ya+t)

259 saw the news earlier this week on the new gun laws the Texas signed into law this week.
Bravo!One that I saw is that one can now bring their firearms into their hotel room. That is one I like seeing, especially come October.
Posted by: S



the best and most un commented it the silncer law, mad in tx, stays in tx, no worries.

Posted by: confederatefifth at June 20, 2021 07:35 PM (jaNSQ)

260 Oddly enough, Boxer, whose design predominates in the US, was a Brit. Berdan, whose design predominates in Europe, was a Yank.

Posted by: Oddbob at June 20, 2021 07:35 PM (nfrXX)

261 Most American thing?

37mm AT gun towed behind a Toyota Tacoma?


Posted by: Anna Puma at June 20, 2021 07:30 PM (fbppv)

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There was a movie came out not long ago about Denmark's brief, unsuccessful resistance to the Wehrmacht. I think it's name is "10 May 1940" or something like that.

Anyhow, the Danish Army had these SUPER COOL motorcycle sidecars that mounted 37mm AT guns. They were forward firing, and the whole thing would jump when they let loose a shot, and then it was burning Danish rubber.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 20, 2021 07:36 PM (llXky)

262 Not trying to cause a scuffle but the 380 and the 9 are the same round. The real discussion. Is does the 10 approximate the 40 or is it really a male version of the 9? In any case, hollow point is your friend.

Posted by: Too Bad Costa Rica Sucks at June 20, 2021 07:38 PM (4vmmD)

263 I'm surprised there aren't more people with hearing probs using ear phones or whatever. I have to hear what's going on around me wherever I'm at.
Posted by: dartist at June 20, 2021 07:34 PM (+ya+t)

Same here. When I did try to wear earphones or muffs I always imagined I heard something and was always lifting or taking one of the phones off to see if I could hear it again. My ears are paranoid.

Posted by: Just a side note at June 20, 2021 07:38 PM (2DOZq)

264 the best and most un commented it the silncer law, mad in tx, stays in tx, no worries.
Posted by: confederatefifth at June 20, 2021 07:35 PM (jaNSQ)


I like the idea, but I don't want to be the test case.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 20, 2021 07:38 PM (ghoDT)

265 Posted by: confederatefifth at June 20, 2021 07:35 PM (jaNSQ)

Hmmm, maybe I will buy a TX made suppressor in Oct and leave it with my friend who lives in Texas. I hope to retire to there in about 6 years. Start building my inventory now!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 20, 2021 07:38 PM (mcfjc)

266 The list so far:
Never have your back to the door
Never get out of the boat
Don't ever let your feet get tangled in the rungs of a bar stool.
Never get involved in a land war in Asia (this should include Russia)
Never use headphones while out and about

Posted by: Numbuh Two, 2x4 Technology Operative at June 20, 2021 07:38 PM (YWBlw)

267 So as I am cleaning the piece what happens? THE FRONT SIGHT FALLS OFF!! WTF?
Anyone have any ideas what the heck is going on?

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 20, 2021 06:07 PM (mcfjc)
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Told my buddy, last week, 'this is the year of things breaking'.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 20, 2021 07:39 PM (nd/mG)

268 I think we are going to have a bunch of bargins
coming availabl between now and year end. It is not just the new gun
owners and Trump haters that bought everything they could in 2020 but
the speculators that are going to have to unload theiry buys.

Posted by: confederatefifth at June 20, 2021 07:33 PM (jaNSQ)

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I think the bear market will be short-lived, but you have a point. I think a lot more ammo is going to come out as the hoarders/speculators realize that prices aren't going to come back to $1 a round any time soon.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 20, 2021 07:39 PM (llXky)

269 I like the idea, but I don't want to be the test case.
Posted by: h


yeah, however, there are some guys that are happy to do just that.

Posted by: confederatefifth at June 20, 2021 07:39 PM (jaNSQ)

270 Never get involved in a land war in Asia (this should include Russia)
Never use headphones while out and about
Posted by: Numbuh Two, 2x4 Technology Operative at June 20, 2021 07:38 PM (YWBlw)
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Splitting up while being chased by a chain saw wielding maniac in a deserted creepy house is never a good idea.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at June 20, 2021 07:39 PM (2SdPm)

271 I am a serial Peltor Com-Tac wearer to protect what's left of my hearing.

Posted by: Marcus T at June 20, 2021 07:40 PM (CyB2R)

272 84 can anybody recommend a high visibility paint I can use to touch up the front sight on a gun? I'm looking for neon green orange, yellow, something like that

just a dot, not painting the whole thing
Posted by: DB- just DB at June 20, 2021 06:37 PM (iTXRQ)


My go to is fishing lure paint. Cheap and durable.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at June 20, 2021 07:41 PM (8C7+r)

273 The list so far:
Never have your back to the door
Never get out of the boat
Don't ever let your feet get tangled in the rungs of a bar stool.
Never get involved in a land war in Asia (this should include Russia)
Never use headphones while out and about
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Never drop the soap around otters.

Posted by: dartist at June 20, 2021 07:41 PM (+ya+t)

274 Splitting up while being chased by a chain saw wielding maniac in a deserted creepy house is never a good idea.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at June 20, 2021 07:39 PM (2SdPm)

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But stripping down to your underwear to check the laundry in the basement? Excellent notion!

(Not for you, of course...)

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 20, 2021 07:41 PM (llXky)

275 ..the best and most un commented it the silncer law, mad in tx, stays in tx, no worries. Posted by: confederatefifth at June 20, 2021 07:35 PM (jaNSQ)


Shhh. We were trying to suppress that news from leaking outside of Texas!


Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at June 20, 2021 07:41 PM (QzJWU)

276 "splain that top photo; must be a non-functioning replica. The ejector rod doesn't line up with a chamber, the trigger doesn't appear to be placed where a single action revolver would have it, etc. Cap gun?

Posted by: fenderbender at June 20, 2021 07:42 PM (r72iY)

277 So as I am cleaning the piece what happens? THE FRONT SIGHT FALLS OFF!! WTF?
Anyone have any ideas what the heck is going on?

Posted by: Scuba_Dude
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Was there an abrupt temperature fall, like 100 deg?

Sorry, someone had to ask.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 20, 2021 07:42 PM (L47aO)

278 recommend a high visibility paint I can use to touch up the front sight on a gun? I'm looking for neon green orange, yellow, something like that

just a dot, not painting the whole thing
Posted by: DB- just


when your wife goes in for ner next mani pedi ask the girl that does her nails to put a bit of whatever color you want there.

I went with something a bit pearlish.

the nail girl thought it was funny.

Posted by: confederatefifth at June 20, 2021 07:42 PM (jaNSQ)

279 Okay, I'm one of those idiots who doesn't reload, so I'm obviously short bus/summer school material, but...

What's
the point of reloading if all available production resources are going
to new ammo? I mean, I get the economy of reloading in normal times,
which is fine. But people have been telling me for years that come the
Burning Times reloaders will be laughing from their thrones of
stockpiled components while the rest of us will be scrounging for
flintlocks.

At the risk of being unnecessarily provocative, I
think there is *zero difference* at this point between having stockpile
ammo vs stockpiled components. Okay, maybe not zero - components aren't
ready to use.


Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 20, 2021 07:29 PM

You are correct. Stock piling one or the other (or both) is/was a good plan if you had done it before the burning times. Once the madness hit it was all whatever you had or could get and if you had not planned ahead either way you got the shaft.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at June 20, 2021 07:43 PM (JUOKG)

280 I did ask the nail girl before I brought the gun, did not just walk in and draw down on her.

Posted by: confederatefifth at June 20, 2021 07:43 PM (jaNSQ)

281 Posted by: Too Bad Costa Rica Sucks at June 20, 2021 07:38 PM (4vmmD)

fps about 100 different with anywhere from 25 to 57 grain difference. Close but not really.

Posted by: Just a side note at June 20, 2021 07:43 PM (2DOZq)

282 232 AH Lloyd, I will take a stab at it. I actually buy commercial for things like .223 or 9mm or even .38 special or 45 ACP when ammo is cheap and available but save the brass.

The advantages to reloading are components may be used in several different firearms and cartridges unlike commercial ammo. Thus, having a .308, a .30-06, and perhaps one of the magnum types in .30 caliber will let you use common bullets among them perhaps not at the peak of efficiency but good enough for practice and to go bang. Right now, .30-06 ammo is going for about $40 per box of twenty, .308 about $25. A 150 gr bullet does not care much which bore it goes out so reloading allows you to feed either of these cost effectively. The other advantage is a fifty round box of cartridges for .357 and .38 Special about a dollar a round if you can find it. Given the versatility of revolvers, I can make a load with some powder or a lot of powder using the same bullets with only a slight loss of efficiency. You also get the same effect when using .311 bullets which can be chambered in a 7.62 Russian, a .303 British, and a 7.65 Argentine. Ditto for the various flavors of 7mm and so on.

Posted by: whig at June 20, 2021 07:44 PM (pO7gM)

283 276 "splain that top photo; must be a non-functioning replica. The ejector rod doesn't line up with a chamber, the trigger doesn't appear to be placed where a single action revolver would have it, etc. Cap gun?
Posted by: fenderbender at June 20, 2021 07:42 PM (r72iY)
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No idea. I was just looking for a pic of a gun that said Happy Father's Day!

Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2021 07:44 PM (MVjcR)

284 "splain that top photo; must be a non-functioning replica. The ejector rod doesn't line up with a chamber, the trigger doesn't appear to be placed where a single action revolver would have it, etc. Cap gun?
Posted by: fenderbender
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Made in China?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 20, 2021 07:44 PM (L47aO)

285 262 ... the 380 and the 9 are the same round.
... Is does the 10 approximate the 40 or is it really a male version of the 9?

In any case, hollow point is your friend.
Posted by: Too Bad Costa Rica Sucks at June 20, 2021 07:38 PM (4vmmD)


No, no, and no.

Next question.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at June 20, 2021 07:45 PM (8C7+r)

286 Was there an abrupt temperature fall, like 100 deg?



Sorry, someone had to ask.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 20, 2021 07:42 PM (L47aO)

No, NYC did not suddenly come to its senses and repeal all its draconian gun laws. :-)

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 20, 2021 07:45 PM (mcfjc)

287 Hey hog Martin is Alton Jackson okay? Tried to link up on our Detroit trip and lost the thread on commo.

Posted by: blaster at June 20, 2021 07:45 PM (4q7lA)

288 C-5, hadn't heard about TX suppressor law. I assume built there buy there stay there, no BATFE?
I'd be willing to test that. As long as I can leave it with Ben Had.

Posted by: RI Red at June 20, 2021 07:46 PM (/u+Iq)

289 "splain that top photo; must be a non-functioning replica. The ejector rod doesn't line up with a chamber, the trigger doesn't appear to be placed where a single action revolver would have it, etc.

The cylinder will rotate slightly when the hammer is half-cocked so the ejector will line up. You may be right about the trigger. It looks awfully wide and far forward. But notice that the grip frame is a "bird's head" instead of the more familiar "plow handle" so there may be other differences between the models that I'm not familiar with.

Posted by: Oddbob at June 20, 2021 07:46 PM (nfrXX)

290 Hey hog Martin is Alton Jackson okay? Tried to link up on our Detroit trip and lost the thread on commo.
Posted by: blaster at June 20, 2021 07:45 PM (4q7lA)


Texted him yesterday, he is around but busy with work I think.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 20, 2021 07:47 PM (ghoDT)

291 Scuba_Dude, How is your friend in Texas? Haven't seen him around.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 20, 2021 07:47 PM (I2wAU)

292 Weasel, email sent.

Posted by: Muad'dib at June 20, 2021 07:47 PM (cWeC0)

293 . I assume built there buy there stay there, no BATFE?
I'd be willing to test that. As long as I can leave it with Ben Had.
Posted by: R


that is my understanding, however, it is not that straightforward, there are some things that are going to have to be hashed out in the courts before it becomes hassl-free.

But it is going the right way.

I think Idaho and maybe Montana have something similar.

Posted by: confederatefifth at June 20, 2021 07:48 PM (jaNSQ)

294 Just a side, agree, The whole of the 9mm versus any other caliber always falls to ammo, imho. Cops tied to FMJ and carrying 9s are, disadvantaged.

Posted by: Too Bad Costa Rica Sucks at June 20, 2021 07:48 PM (l/Pix)

295 Evenin' Horde.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 20, 2021 07:48 PM (rBtIz)

296 The "Headline" gun appears to be a Colt Lightning, a first-generation Colt Double Action/Single Action revolver. The ejector rod is correctly placed, as is the trigger itself. Notice the double-convex curve which is the bottom of the frame/top of the trigger opening. It's nearly the same shape as the later Police Positive, but the PP was an early example of the mature Colt Double Action frame shape, and featured a swing out cylinder vs the ejector rod of the Lightning.

Note also, the stepped trigger guard frame ahead of the guard itself. It is NOT a Colt SAA, but it was designed to keep as much SAA profile is possible, with the newfangled DA/SA lockwork contained in the slightly wider frame.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at June 20, 2021 07:48 PM (QzJWU)

297 nd know that Sutterland from AL and Lipak from TX dropped out
Posted by: redc1c4 *OTUS Zhou Bai-Din Cheated & we all know it. at June 20, 2021 07:21 PM


I don't know about Sutterland, but Duane Liptak (a respected member of the Board for several years) resigned in disgust after LaPierre declared bankruptcy without consulting the Board.

As an incumbent Director, he was automatically nominated for reelection, but when he resigned from the Board, they treated that as also a withdrawal from the election, and removed his name from the ballot.

Liptak has said that he would not serve on the Board as long as LaPierre remains in the EVP position, but has agreed that if he elected, he will at least attend the first meeting to vote for someone other than LaPierre for EVP.

I'm writing him in.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 20, 2021 07:48 PM (DMUuz)

298 There's a Ma Deuce on GB if you have an extra $85k lying around.

Posted by: Marcus T at June 20, 2021 07:49 PM (CyB2R)

299 Hola Weasel!! Any update on your sword?
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 20, 2021 06:33 PM (mcfjc)
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Only that I'm on a 2 year wait list for polishing. Which reminds me I need to email the polishing guy.
Posted by: Weasel

If I may ask what sword ?

I recently picked up TWO at a yard sale !

Posted by: JT at June 20, 2021 07:49 PM (arJlL)

300 Posted by: Ben Had at June 20, 2021 07:47 PM (I2wAU)

Hi Ben, he is doing well. He has been pretty busy and he currently doing his weekend drill for the Reserves. He does pop into the threads every now and then.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 20, 2021 07:50 PM (mcfjc)

301 262 Costa,
There is substantial difference in energy levels between a .380 ACP and a 9mm. The slightly longer length and tapering of the 9mm allows a bit more powder and the brass strength allows something like 300+ foot pounds of energy at about 33000 psi chamber. The sweet spot for a 9mm bullet goes from 115 gr. to about 147 gr. The .380 aka 9x17 mm, on the other hand, has a chamber pressure about 60 percent of the 9mm at 21500 psi top limit. The cartridge brass itself is straight as well and shorter than the 9mm aka 9x19 mm. The usual bullet weights are less than 100 grs except for the Remington 102 gr load for the .380 ACP. Most .380 ammo rates less than 200 ft lbs of energy.

Posted by: whig at June 20, 2021 07:50 PM (pO7gM)

302 Iron Mike, while I appreciate your certainty, you surely can't be saying FMJ > HP? And 10 is a demonstrably better round than 9. But you do you.

Posted by: Too Bad Costa Rica Sucks at June 20, 2021 07:50 PM (4vmmD)

303 The advantages to reloading are components may be used in several
different firearms and cartridges unlike commercial ammo.

Posted by: whig at June 20, 2021 07:44 PM (pO7gM)

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That make sense - you have a collection, so you shift reloading to what is needed. Of course, this only works if you have a collection.

For most shooters, simply piling up stocks accomplishes the same thing. Again, I totally get the advantage of reloading for rare or hard to find calibers and in fact I am careful to save my .455 Webley and 9mm Largo brass. No, I don't reload, but at some point I may - or I may find someone who will reload for me. The key point is that if you bought 10,000 rounds of 9mm when it was super-cheap, you wouldn't much notice primer prices.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 20, 2021 07:50 PM (llXky)

304 RI Red, most assuredly. Would you be so kind as to email me with just a Hi! so that I can make sure I have your email address correct? Thank You

Posted by: Ben Had at June 20, 2021 07:51 PM (I2wAU)

305 Aside from cost savings, the other reason to hand load is to try to optimize performance. Granted this is more of a things for rifles than handguns. Frankly, I would be surprised if, for example, Weasel's match ammo cost less than 2-3X off-the-shelf ammo, not even accounting for his time and the costs of the equipment.

Posted by: Oddbob at June 20, 2021 07:51 PM (nfrXX)

306 Cliff Clavin gun thread trivia

What gun did Lincoln try out at White House and order it be manufactured for the Union Army after it was rejected by the military procurement department?

Posted by: Just a side note at June 20, 2021 07:51 PM (2DOZq)

307 oh well, g'night everyone, & thanks as always, Weasel !
I'll go take another look at that C96 sometime this week.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at June 20, 2021 07:52 PM (wHoql)

308 > What gun did Lincoln try out at White House and order it be manufactured for the Union Army after it was rejected by the military procurement department?
Posted by: Just a side note at June 20, 2021 07:51 PM (2DOZq

Spencer?

Posted by: Muad'dib at June 20, 2021 07:52 PM (cWeC0)

309
If I may ask what sword ?

I recently picked up TWO at a yard sale !
Posted by: JT at June 20, 2021 07:49 PM (arJlL)
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We've had an old Japanese Katana in the family since before we were a family. I started looking in to having it polished in the traditional manner and found out it's something like 500 years old. I had it in the GT a month or so ago. Waiting list is 24 mos.

Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2021 07:52 PM (MVjcR)

310 276 "splain that top photo; must be a non-functioning replica. The ejector rod doesn't line up with a chamber, the trigger doesn't appear to be placed where a single action revolver would have it, etc. Cap gun?
Posted by: fenderbender at June 20, 2021 07:42 PM (r72iY)


1. Go to a gun store with a Ruger Single Action in stock. Or find a friend that owns one.
2. Handle and inspect how one ejects a spent cartridge.
3. Post what you learned here next week.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at June 20, 2021 07:52 PM (8C7+r)

311 That make sense - you have a collection, so you shift reloading to what is needed. Of course, this only works if you have a collection.

For most shooters, simply piling up stocks accomplishes the same thing. Again, I totally get the advantage of reloading for rare or hard to find calibers and in fact I am careful to save my .455 Webley and 9mm Largo brass. No, I don't reload, but at some point I may - or I may find someone who will reload for me. The key point is that if you bought 10,000 rounds of 9mm when it was super-cheap, you wouldn't much notice primer prices.
Posted by: F


I am not into reloading or cnspiracy theories, however, I would think that you would have more certainty about the reliability of your ammo if you did it yourslf.

would be a bad day if you were burrowing into your ammo to find that half the rounds had been sabotaged.

Posted by: confederatefifth at June 20, 2021 07:52 PM (jaNSQ)

312 The "Headline" gun appears to be a Colt Lightning, a first-generation Colt Double Action/Single Action revolver.

Aaaand there's JimSND, bringing us the straight dope. Thanks, Jim.

Posted by: Oddbob at June 20, 2021 07:53 PM (nfrXX)

313 A H Lloyd. Good question.
I reload because I can routinely make a cartridge that outperforms a manufacturer's, tuned to my specific firearm.
FWIW, during this whole drought, I have shot at least as much, maybe more, than ever before.
I learned several panics ago. We won't get fooled/caught short again.

Posted by: RI Red at June 20, 2021 07:54 PM (/u+Iq)

314 Posted by: sock_rat_eez at June 20, 2021 07:52 PM (wHoql)
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Night sock rat!!

Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2021 07:54 PM (MVjcR)

315 BTW, AH Lloyd, considering that you have posted a lot about semi autos, it often makes sense not to reload for them as your options for reloading are more constrained due to the action than with a bolt action rifle or a revolver. There are similar constraints for a lot of semi auto rifle designs.

But, most reloaders have a revolver or two and bolt action rifles so it is pretty much a matter of choice. In either case, it is wise to have some ready made ammo and buying on the trough rather than the peak of demand.

Posted by: whig at June 20, 2021 07:55 PM (pO7gM)

316 Spencer?
Posted by: Muad'dib at June 20, 2021 07:52 PM (cWeC

Yes. The father of repeaters though replaced relatively quickly by the Winchester which automatically cocked the gun after the previous discharge.

Posted by: Just a side note at June 20, 2021 07:55 PM (2DOZq)

317 This may be a crazy idea for touching up the front sights, but what about automotive touch-up paint? There's a choice of colors. Not sure, however, if it would need a primer to adhere correctly.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at June 20, 2021 07:55 PM (joJfO)

318 We've had an old Japanese Katana in the family since before we were a family. I started looking in to having it polished in the traditional manner and found out it's something like 500 years old. I had it in the GT a month or so ago. Waiting list is 24 mos.
Posted by: Weasel

Nice !

Stay away from Harry Carey !

Posted by: JT at June 20, 2021 07:56 PM (arJlL)

319 Howdy, all!
Late to the thread on account of Mrs. SOB just pulled in from a business trip, and I had to feed her and get her comfy.
Got to shoot a bit the past few days. Dialed in the 1X4 optic on the S&W M&P15 at 100 yards, and got it hitting just about where I want it. Also ran about 60 rounds through the Colt LW Commander and was pretty pleased with the result. That big fat fluorescent Trijicon front sight really helps.

Cleaning the M&P15 out on the deck, I dropped the cotter pin that retains the firing pin in the bolt housing. Looked for it for 45 minutes. No luck. Thank God they're cheap, but a PITA waiting for a replacement.

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at June 20, 2021 07:56 PM (Skahs)

320 would be a bad day if you were burrowing into your ammo to find that half the rounds had been sabotaged.

Posted by: confederatefifth at June 20, 2021 07:52 PM (jaNSQ)

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Riiight, because the people sabotaging the assembled ammo didn't sabotage the components that came out of the *same factories*.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 20, 2021 07:56 PM (llXky)

321 Here is a good video unpacking the TX suppressor law that was signed by the Governor of Texas this week.https://tinyurl.com/sya3uxt7Look like the last step is getting a Federal judge to rule if it is Constitutional or not.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 20, 2021 07:56 PM (mcfjc)

322 The military rejected the Spencer because it would waste ammunition/ supplies. Military intelligence

Posted by: Just a side note at June 20, 2021 07:56 PM (2DOZq)

323 Stay away from Harry Carey !

"And it's outta here!"

When we first got cable back in the 70s, I watched a lot of Cubs games on WGN. Harry Carey was the best.

Posted by: Oddbob at June 20, 2021 07:58 PM (nfrXX)

324 Hello Weasel and gun morons. Missing Dad terribly today, but grateful for the time we had. Also for the blessing of hubby who is a good father as well.
Good progress in my firearms journey. Passed the USCCA CPL (concealed pistol license) class and plunked down the Benjamin for the license. Of course they are way behind and it will take 2 months, but more steps on the road to proficiency.
Thank you all for the forum, facts, and fun.

Posted by: Gouverneur Morris at June 20, 2021 07:58 PM (PHxng)

325 Posted by: Gouverneur Morris at June 20, 2021 07:58 PM (PHxng)
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Hello and congratulations!!

Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2021 07:59 PM (MVjcR)

326 BTW, AH Lloyd, considering that you have posted a
lot about semi autos,
Posted by: whig at June 20, 2021 07:55 PM (pO7gM)

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And yet I'm a huge proponent of revolvers!

I get the whole "hand-loaded, tuned to the weapon" thing, my point is simply that reloaders are just as screwed as everyone else by the present shortage. Those who stockpiled components are just as happy as those who stockpiled cartridges.

And yes, I do save my revolver brass - partly because it's so damn easy!

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 20, 2021 07:59 PM (llXky)

327 232 ... "What's the point of reloading if all available production resources are going to new ammo? I mean, I get the economy of reloading in normal times, which is fine. But people have been telling me for years that come the Burning Times reloaders will be laughing from their thrones of stockpiled components while the rest of us will be scrounging for flintlocks.

At the risk of being unnecessarily provocative, I think there is *zero difference* at this point between having stockpile ammo vs stockpiled components. Okay, maybe not zero - components aren't ready to use."

Nothing provocative. This discussion has been going on for a long time. And if you are starting from scratch during a shortage, there is no great advantage.

However. (Harrumph! Harrumph!)
-some of like the process of reloading;
-In some cases it is usually cheaper to reload for less popular calibers, such as 41 magnum, or to form ammo needed for Great Grandpa's old gun;
- Careful reloading can often/usually provide more accurate ammo for a specific gun;

to be continued

Posted by: JTB at June 20, 2021 08:00 PM (7EjX1)

328 Ben Had, do you have a Proton addy?
Maybe send to w who can send to me.
And we need to get those adoption papers going, Ma.

Posted by: RI Red at June 20, 2021 08:00 PM (/u+Iq)

329 308 > What gun did Lincoln try out at White House and order it be manufactured for the Union Army after it was rejected by the military procurement department?
Posted by: Just a side note at June 20, 2021 07:51 PM (2DOZq

Spencer?
Posted by: Muad'dib at June 20, 2021 07:52 PM (cWeC0)


As a category, lever action repeaters using metallic cartridges. He was aware of and interested in Winchester's Henry rifle and the Spencer. Test fired a Spencer on the White House lawn.

One of the objections by Ordnance was the calibler of the rifled musket was .58 and the repeaters could be mass produced in .44 and .52.

The repeaters were twice as expensive as the .58 rifled muskets, but the fact that some troops bought them anyways made an impression.

Lincoln felt the next standard firearm would be a breech loading single shot metallic cartridge rifle. The Springfield trapdoor was that rifle.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at June 20, 2021 08:00 PM (8C7+r)

330 Riiight, because the people sabotaging the assembled ammo didn't sabotage the components that came out of the *same factories*.
Posted by: F


you are the guy that is singing the revolver sng right?

it is easier to test the powder in your rounds before you put it in the rounds than it is after you buy the rounds.

as I said I am not saying it is going to happen I would suggest that having witnessed what we have since the beginning of 2020 it is kind of stupid to think that nobody would ever do something of that sort.

right? Not as if they were stealing electins, lying about a disease, censoring information, trying to implment martial law or anything.

if you hated guns and gun owners, why not sabotage the ammo?

Posted by: confederatefifth at June 20, 2021 08:00 PM (jaNSQ)

331 Interesting write-up on the PA-63. I have a Walam 48, an all-steel version in .380. About 11,000 were contracted for the Egyptians, with the contract terminated after about 7000 were delivered. I believe mine may be part of the contract over-run, since there is a slightly dished area where the Egyptian crest should be and was probably polished out.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at June 20, 2021 08:02 PM (5YmYl)

332 Ok, calling it a night. Thanks again for such a fun and informational thread Weasel!!
Night everyone!!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 20, 2021 08:02 PM (mcfjc)

333
The revolver grille is just too cool for school.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 20, 2021 08:03 PM (X9Vky)

334 BTW I tried a product called "Lead Remover And Polishing Cloth" by Birchwood Casey, and it worked great at removing lead residue from the stainless steel cylinder of my revolver

Posted by: DB- just DB at June 20, 2021 08:03 PM (iTXRQ)

335 313 RI Red,
I got schooled from the 2012-13 shortage on rimfire ammo. I keep quite a bit of it on hand now and buy replacements when I shoot it. I had figured out from earlier panics about keeping centerfire components in stock but never considered that people would be buying rimfire ammo for speculation and end of the world scenarios.

Posted by: whig at June 20, 2021 08:03 PM (pO7gM)

336 Don't let your kid bring that grill to school. He/she will surely be suspended.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at June 20, 2021 08:03 PM (VynOE)

337 ...my point is simply that reloaders are just as screwed as everyone else by the present shortage.

Maybe more so since we usually want specific components whereas most aren't all that particular about which loaded ammo as long as it's the right caliber and bullet type. For example, yesterday I could have bought large rifle primers but they weren't the ones I have loads for and changing any component basically means starting your load development over from scratch.

Posted by: Oddbob at June 20, 2021 08:03 PM (nfrXX)

338 Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 20, 2021 08:02 PM (mcfjc)
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Goodnight amigo!

Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2021 08:04 PM (MVjcR)

339 Too Bad Costa Rica Sucks @ 294- We carry G17 Gen4 with 9MM 124 Gr JHP.

Posted by: Eromero at June 20, 2021 08:04 PM (0OP+5)

340 330 confederate fifth, there is precedent. During the Vietnam war, the US tampered with Viet Cong ammo stashes by adding hot overpressure rounds designed to blow up guns and hurt people.

Posted by: whig at June 20, 2021 08:05 PM (pO7gM)

341 Greetings, fellow gun 'rons and 'ettes. No range report this week - still trying out different carry options with my new(ish) holster rig, in case they ever drag the lake and find my gun, y'see.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at June 20, 2021 08:05 PM (Agr8U)

342 Continuing from 327

- Some components can be used to reload a number of cartridges. The same bullet can be used for 30-30, 308, and 30-06. The same primers can be used in many rounds;
-reloading let's you use different powders if a certain one is not available;
- The brass case, usually the most expensive part of a round, can be used at least several times and for low pressure revolver ammo, many times.

I don't think of reloading in terms of prepping but as a backup and as a skill I want to have.

Posted by: JTB at June 20, 2021 08:05 PM (7EjX1)

343 334 BTW I tried a product called "Lead Remover And Polishing Cloth" by Birchwood Casey, and it worked great at removing lead residue from the stainless steel cylinder of my revolver
Posted by: DB- just DB at June 20, 2021 08:03 PM (iTXRQ)
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Yep! I'm use them on all of my stainless steel revolvers. Takes a little elbow grease, but works great!

Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2021 08:06 PM (MVjcR)

344 330 Sabotaging enemy ammo was one of MACV SOG's moves in Vietnam.

Dud and overloaded AK rounds, you name it.

Posted by: callsign claymore at June 20, 2021 08:06 PM (vXPPP)

345 'Night Scuba !

Posted by: JT at June 20, 2021 08:08 PM (arJlL)

346 you are the guy that is singing the revolver sng right?


Posted by: confederatefifth at June 20, 2021 08:00 PM (jaNSQ)

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I have no idea what that means.

Ammo comes in lots. It goes out and some will be used, some will be stockpiled. If there are reliability problems, they will be noticed and people will comment on them and other people will check to see if theirs is affected. There will likely be a recall, etc. If so much as one round in 100 fails, people will start to remark on it. If it is less than that, it will have no appreciable effect as people will assume a mechanical malfunction. I fail to see how this insidious plot could actually work.


Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 20, 2021 08:09 PM (llXky)

347 Whig, shooting .22 at the range today, I never once stopped and thought that I maybe should conserve!
So, AH Lloyd, the right answer is to buy lots of ammo when it's cheap and to buy lots of components when they are cheap.

Thus endeth the Lesson!

Posted by: RI Red at June 20, 2021 08:09 PM (/u+Iq)

348 My guess is that depending on future events, aka summer of riots, widespread violence in cities, political moves, etc., you won't see substantial cuts in ammo prices for the near future but see more availability. Good time to start to prepare to reload by saving all brass from range excursions and perhaps buying a cheap starter single stage press and basic reloading equipment on sale.
Posted by: whig at June 20, 2021 06:12 PM (pO7gM)

I went shooting at several sites out in the open desert this winter, near Apache Junction. There are a lot of informal "shooting ranges" out there. You could go out there early in the morning, and police up a metric fuckton of brass, if you wanted to. A set of kneepads, and a bucket, or even better, some kids, and you could clean up big time. Sit home with some brewskis, sort out the ones you want to keep for reloading, and sell the remainder as brass scrap.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 20, 2021 08:09 PM (X9Vky)

349 Ben Had, do you have a Proton addy?
Maybe send to w who can send to me.
And we need to get those adoption papers going, Ma.

While your at it, Ben, you can adopt me !

Posted by: JT at June 20, 2021 08:09 PM (arJlL)

350 Finally found some 20 gauge shotgun shells for a smoothbore barrel. I haven't seen those for a year!

The crisis isn't over but you can see supply churning. I have no idea how long this will last but my new Mantis Laser Academy takes the sting out of ammo prices.

Posted by: WarEagle82 at June 20, 2021 08:10 PM (+Kpte)

351 Thanks again for the thread, weasel! Later!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at June 20, 2021 08:10 PM (2SdPm)

352 351 Thanks again for the thread, weasel! Later!
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at June 20, 2021 08:10 PM (2SdPm)
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Happy to do it Blake!! Always a pleasure to have you here.

Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2021 08:11 PM (MVjcR)

353 ..344 330 Sabotaging enemy ammo was one of MACV SOG's moves in Vietnam. Dud and overloaded AK rounds, you name it. Posted by: callsign claymore at June 20, 2021 08:06 PM (vXPPP)

Some of those overpressure rounds were stuffed to the brim with a hot version of Cordite.

The worst of 'em though, were slightly "boosted" by some Cordite directly past the flash hole*, with the remainder of the case filled with C-4, which the Cordite would of course, detonate. VERY MUCH KA-BOOM. *primer alone would not reliably set off the C4.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at June 20, 2021 08:11 PM (QzJWU)

354 Oh, and thanks Weasel for the information in the gub thread tonight (and always). I wasn't in the market during the "1000 rounds of 9mm FMJ for $200" days -- that seems like a typo to me. I'd hop on it with a quickness if I ever saw it, though.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at June 20, 2021 08:13 PM (Agr8U)

355 Posted by: DB- just DB at June 20, 2021 07:31 PM (iTXRQ)


Wow, nice.

Posted by: GWB at June 20, 2021 08:14 PM (MNGJ/)

356 So, AH Lloyd, the right answer is to buy lots of ammo when it's cheap and to buy lots of components when they are cheap.



Thus endeth the Lesson!

Posted by: RI Red at June 20, 2021 08:09 PM (/u+Iq)

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Agreed! Reloading has many advantages, but about the only way it would be helpful now is if you 'swing' between calibers and if you had lots of extra bullets, powder and primers and only needed to recycle the brass. Otherwise, you're just as screwed as the rest of us.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 20, 2021 08:14 PM (llXky)

357 Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at June 20, 2021 08:13 PM (Agr8U)
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Heh. Hard to believe, I know,
And it's my pleasure.

Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2021 08:15 PM (MVjcR)

358 As I recall, 9 mm was getting close to .22 in pricing, JUST before the scamdemic.
I of course said that I didn't need any more 9 mm.

You can never have too much . . .

Posted by: RI Red at June 20, 2021 08:16 PM (/u+Iq)

359 Sabotaging enemy ammo was one of MACV SOG's moves in Vietnam.



Dud and overloaded AK rounds, you name it.

Posted by: callsign claymore at June 20, 2021 08:06 PM (vXPPP)

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And yet when our operatives wanted to do it in Iraq with bomb fuses they were told it wasn't nice and they couldn't do it. That right there speaks volumes.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 20, 2021 08:16 PM (llXky)

360 Posted by: whig at June 20, 2021 07:32 PM (pO7gM)


Thanks, whig, Weasel, everyone, it's been bugging me since I started paying attention to the ammo I buy. Nicely informative! (Why would it be otherwise? It's the GUB THREAD!)

Posted by: GWB at June 20, 2021 08:17 PM (MNGJ/)

361 Weasel

That is an American grill. Towing it you need a sign: If you can read this you are in range.

I saw a design patent with a grill in the shape of the Hindenburg. I liked it.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 20, 2021 08:17 PM (u82oZ)

362 The Mk.4 No.1 has a star stamped over the chamber. I thought this was unique but apparently the stamp happy British armorers stamped a star on the rifle if rust was found in the barrel from what I have learned.

That PA-63 pistol may also have been intended for overseas commie groups kinda like a ghost gun which the Combloc was known to do to make it difficult to point fingers.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 20, 2021 06:22 PM (R/m4+)

I Have a No. 5 Mk. 1, jungle carbine. If you ever make your way to Alberta, we could shoot it.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 20, 2021 08:18 PM (X9Vky)

363 Posted by: GWB at June 20, 2021 08:17 PM (MNGJ/)
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My pleasure, GWB. Thanks for being here!

Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2021 08:18 PM (MVjcR)

364 Thanks again, Weasel! Until next week!

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 20, 2021 08:18 PM (llXky)

365 Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 20, 2021 08:17 PM (u82oZ)
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Salty!! How's things, brother?

Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2021 08:19 PM (MVjcR)

366 I Have a No. 5 Mk. 1, jungle carbine. If you ever make your way to Alberta, we could shoot it.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 20, 2021 08:18 PM (X9Vky)

Deal! You see a lot of AR-180B's and Czech VZ.58's up your way?

I think y'all call the Czech VZ.58 another civilian number/name.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 20, 2021 08:19 PM (R/m4+)

367 Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 20, 2021 08:18 PM (llXky)
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Happy to do it, AHL. Thanks as always!

Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2021 08:20 PM (MVjcR)

368 Splitting up while being chased by a chain saw wielding maniac in a deserted creepy house is never a good idea.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at June 20, 2021 07:39 PM (2SdPm)


Ummm, *going into* the deserted creepy house is the even worster idea.

Posted by: GWB at June 20, 2021 08:20 PM (MNGJ/)

369 Another good thing about reloading, you never shoot your commercial stash. Once you get spoiled on your own stuff, you don't want to shoot anything else.

Posted by: ck at June 20, 2021 08:20 PM (iBg56)

370 Weasel

In the midst of cra-cra trip preparation. It's off the scale.

Soon.

If this trip goes well, I will try and get to the NoVaMoMeet. We shall see,

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 20, 2021 08:21 PM (u82oZ)

371 Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 20, 2021 08:21 PM (u82oZ)
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Hope you can make it!!

Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2021 08:22 PM (MVjcR)

372 GWB

Always use a hand-held IR thermometer to check the place out first. And have cordless hole punchers with disposable parts starting in 4.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 20, 2021 08:24 PM (u82oZ)

373 Yup, AH Lloyd. Thank goodness I'm old enough to have learned my lesson. Several times.
Another lesson - be best friends with your local gun store. I stopped in last week and LGS guy said, you need any R15 or 17? He had some that he had not put out yet knowing that I am a regular. No scalping, just selling because we share common interests.
BTW, if you did a Russian Revolution book, as in AM book thread, that would definitely be a common interest!

Posted by: RI Red at June 20, 2021 08:25 PM (/u+Iq)

374 302 Iron Mike, while I appreciate your certainty, you surely can't be saying FMJ > HP? And 10 is a demonstrably better round than 9. But you do you.
Posted by: Too Bad Costa Rica Sucks at June 20, 2021 07:50 PM (4vmmD)


1. .380 and 9mm are not the same. Not interchangeable either in terms of firing from a forearm nor in terms of ballistics. Heaviest bullet from a .380 is a couple hundred fps slower than the same weight bullet from a 9mm. Most ammo for 9mm is 30% heavier than most .380 (115 or 124 gr vs 90 or 95 gr) But, you do you.

2. The .40 S&W is an approximation of a 10mm. You can load a 10mm lighter to perform like a .40, but not vice versa. Similar spread between .40 and 10mm for same weight bullet.

3. Hollow point is not your friend of you're shooting .380. Or through a car door. Or...

I am quite happy with the results of me doing me, thank you.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at June 20, 2021 08:25 PM (8C7+r)

375 OK, 9:25 Thank You time!!
Thanks to all of you for being here week after week. It makes the job of writing it worthwhile. There are a lot of things you could be doing with your Sunday evening and I appreciate your spending your time here!

Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2021 08:26 PM (MVjcR)

376 353 Jim, it's a good thing it was C-4, instead of Semtex.

If you light Semtex, then stomp on it, you get a cancelled Czech!

I'll see myself out...

Posted by: callsign claymore at June 20, 2021 08:26 PM (vXPPP)

377 Weasel

Back to work. I did look over the thread, and it is as informative as usual. Seems the NRA is doing stupid stuff.

May you and your talented Bacon Wench emerita have a wonderful evening.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 20, 2021 08:26 PM (u82oZ)

378 Thanks as always Weasel

catch y'all next time

Posted by: DB- just DB at June 20, 2021 08:27 PM (iTXRQ)

379 Weasel, thank you for the great thread. Have a great week, brother.

Great week to each of y'all, Horde.

Posted by: callsign claymore at June 20, 2021 08:27 PM (vXPPP)

380 Posted by: callsign claymore at June 20, 2021 08:27 PM (vXPPP)
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Adios, amigo.

Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2021 08:28 PM (MVjcR)

381 Posted by: DB- just DB at June 20, 2021 08:27 PM (iTXRQ)
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My pleasure. See ya, DBjDB!

Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2021 08:28 PM (MVjcR)

382 Anyone else having problems loading the site? iPad won't load correctly on any browser.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 20, 2021 08:29 PM (kTF2Z)

383 360 GWB, no problem. A lot of the steel and aluminum cased ammo is Berdan primed which is good because someone would try to reload it. Not a good idea for safety reasons.

Most reloaders that scrounge brass have bent or broken reloading pins when a Berdan primed round sneaks in every now and again and thus learn the difference. A few people that had Swiss GP11 ammo for their Schmidt Rubins reloaded that brass but generally decapping either takes a tool (RCBS used to sell it) that kind of looks like a can opener or they fill the case with water and use a hydraulic ram to push the primer out which is messy. Anyhow, I have not seen berdan primers for reloading on sale in the US since the 2012-13 ammo shortage.

Posted by: whig at June 20, 2021 08:30 PM (pO7gM)

384 Thanks Weasel, always a lot to learn here.

Posted by: dartist at June 20, 2021 08:30 PM (+ya+t)

385 Ok, I guess it's time. Durn.
Thanks, W and all here.
See some of you soon.
BTW, tonight is the last night of Spring. For another year!
Enjoy every minute.

Posted by: RI Red at June 20, 2021 08:30 PM (/u+Iq)

386 Have a good night Weasel and thank you again !

Posted by: JT at June 20, 2021 08:30 PM (arJlL)

387 Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 20, 2021 08:29 PM (kTF2Z)
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Yep. It's been acting goofy all afternoon on my iPad. I was getting some kind of expired certificate notice earlier.

Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2021 08:30 PM (MVjcR)

388 BTW, on buying a one-off.... (Or any other caliber than what you already own)

Personally, I've pondered buying up ammo in a caliber, THEN purchasing the gun. So I know I can go shoot it right away, and I know I've got *some* stock for it. It's how I'm looking at .45 for a future gun. And, if you pick up the oddball ammo and never really find that right gun, then go to a gun show and get yourself a trade of some sort. Even the oddball ammo *someone* is going to want. (Or, you can give it to someone you know who already owns that caliber.)

I really thought about the 5.7 during the Crazy (or CrazIER) Times, but I couldn't find a weapon in it that I wanted that was also inexpensive enough for me to purchase.

Posted by: GWB at June 20, 2021 08:31 PM (MNGJ/)

389 Anyone else having problems loading the site? iPad won't load correctly on any browser.

Front page (ace.mu.nu) won't load for me on iPad or iPhone unless I turn off Javascript. Thread pages (acecomments.mu.nu) are OK. I suspect something in the embedded ads but that's just a guess.

Posted by: Oddbob at June 20, 2021 08:31 PM (nfrXX)

390 Posted by: dartist at June 20, 2021 08:30 PM (+ya+t)
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Thank you very much! Happy to hear you're enjoying it.

Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2021 08:32 PM (MVjcR)

391 Posted by: RI Red at June 20, 2021 08:30 PM (/u+Iq)
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Goodnight, bro!

Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2021 08:32 PM (MVjcR)

392 Thanks, Weasel! Was getting worried that we were headed for another blackout.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 20, 2021 08:32 PM (kTF2Z)

393 Boxer is much easier to reload because you can remove the primer mechanically. Berdan can be decapped, but you usually have to use a water slug to pop it out. There are other differences, but Boxer is shorthand for "reloadable cases".
Posted by: hogmartin at June 20, 2021 07:29 PM (ghoDT)

Berdan primers. Could you drill a tiny hole in the primer, and insert a self-tapping screw, and use that to pull the primer?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 20, 2021 08:33 PM (rFdCw)

394 Posted by: JT at June 20, 2021 08:30 PM (arJlL)
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My pleasure, JT! 'Night!

Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2021 08:33 PM (MVjcR)

395 I always turn off java script before coming to Ace.
Works wonders. Except for no videos.
Turn JS back on for comments.

Posted by: RI Red at June 20, 2021 08:33 PM (/u+Iq)

396 Weasel, thanks for your thread and hosting us tonight.

Did not feel well or missed the last couple so tonight was a pleasure.

Posted by: whig at June 20, 2021 08:33 PM (pO7gM)

397 Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 20, 2021 08:32 PM (kTF2Z)
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Hope not!

Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2021 08:34 PM (MVjcR)

398 Posted by: whig at June 20, 2021 08:33 PM (pO7gM)
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Hope you're feeling better. Always a pleasure to have you here.

Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2021 08:36 PM (MVjcR)

399 Posting from a gas station in rural western Montana after an impromptu stop at a public outdoor range Jesse spotted as we were passing by. I shot a S&W model 1917 revolver for the first time and put about 30 rounds through my Sig. Jesse tried my Sig as well. Lots of fun!! Now on to our planned destination in North Idaho.

Posted by: screaming in digital at June 20, 2021 08:37 PM (4ENAf)

400 393 AOP, Bunch of people have went to almost ludicrous lengths to reload Berdan primed ammo especially for rare cartridges or the Swiss GP11 brass for the Schmidt Rubin series.

The major reason that most people in the US do not do it anymore unless they have Berdan primers ratholed is there is no domestic source for Berdan primers and I have not seen any sold domestically since the second Obama term. Due to ITAR regulations, it is not exactly something your cousin in Europe could send you without perhaps incurring prison sentences for both the sender and the receiver let along the HazMat requirements for shipping.

Posted by: whig at June 20, 2021 08:37 PM (pO7gM)

401 Posted by: screaming in digital at June 20, 2021 08:37 PM (4ENAf)
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Hey there! You wacky kids have fun!!

Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2021 08:37 PM (MVjcR)

402 Weasel, are you sure I need moar ammo?

Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 20, 2021 08:38 PM (EZebt)

403 Just checking in now. I had to sneak in vie DDG. Googlag said that my privacy was under attack when I tried, several times, to go in via my normal route. AOL.
I don't know if it's just me. It seemed to be just this site as I went on several other sites and no problem.
Maybe I looked at Andy Ngo's twitter feed too often? You know, looking for actual information.

Posted by: Winston, GOPe, not one dime, not one vote at June 20, 2021 08:38 PM (FtJ1S)

404 402 Weasel, are you sure I need moar ammo?
Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 20, 2021 08:38 PM (EZebt)
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Just a hunch!

Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2021 08:39 PM (MVjcR)

405 is if you 'swing' between calibers
screwed as the rest of us.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 20, 2021 08:14 PM (llXky)

Hey now! This is a family gun thread!

Posted by: GWB at June 20, 2021 08:39 PM (MNGJ/)

406 Weasel you'll be happy to know that my daughters boyfriend bought her a gun for Christmas! I didn't know until I got there. She hasn't fired it yet dammit and we just ran out of time to make a trip to the range.

Posted by: Jewells45 at June 20, 2021 08:40 PM (nxdel)

407 Posted by: Winston, GOPe, not one dime, not one vote at June 20, 2021 08:38 PM (FtJ1S)
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Yep. Been acting strange all afternoon.

Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2021 08:40 PM (MVjcR)

408 406 Weasel you'll be happy to know that my daughters boyfriend bought her a gun for Christmas! I didn't know until I got there. She hasn't fired it yet dammit and we just ran out of time to make a trip to the range.
Posted by: Jewells45 at June 20, 2021 08:40 PM (nxdel)
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Nice! Did you invite her to participate here?

Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2021 08:41 PM (MVjcR)

409 Thanks Weasel. I've been on and off my desktop all day and missing the gun thread is hard. I'll catch up later.
I immediately think of a denial of service attack from googlag.

Posted by: Winston, GOPe, not one dime, not one vote at June 20, 2021 08:42 PM (FtJ1S)

410 Very late - nice walk on the bay, spectacular weather, Burke-class coming in was a nice touch, then watched the end of the Open at a nearby sports bar.

But. Powder Valley, very prominent online vendor of reloading components, posted a new industry outlook letter. Easy enough to go read at their site, on the blog section, but basically:

* they see primers returning to availability some time before too long, implication was that it was from imports, which is certainly part of the way the 2013 panic was resolved

* powder - on this they sound gloomy, no details, and on surface puzzling - commercial ammo makers and individual reloaders do not generally use the same powder, and I didn't think industrial capacity for private market was entirely the same as that for commercial

Posted by: rhomboid at June 20, 2021 08:43 PM (OTzUX)

411 369 Another good thing about reloading, you never shoot your commercial stash. Once you get spoiled on your own stuff, you don't want to shoot anything else.
Posted by: ck at June 20, 2021 08:20 PM (iBg56)


Ammo, firearm, and component prices are a pendulum thing and it's swing back in the reasonable direction now.

I started building up my magazine (meaning, ammo storage point) in '08. Ammo, brass, primers, powder, bullets, and metal for making casting alloy.

I can make .45 ACP or 9mm for a nickel a round. Maintaining proficiency is not a problem. It's a question of what level of readiness you are willing to execute. Yes, there's $ and time spent learning skills.



Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at June 20, 2021 08:44 PM (8C7+r)

412 Thank you for another great thread, Weasel.

Posted by: Ladyl at June 20, 2021 08:44 PM (+4oV5)

413 398 Weasel,
Thanks, I have a long standing autoimmune situation that has been causing degenerative complications that has been aggravated since Covid and the stolen election happened.

That is why I travel very little anymore and cannot do the range time that I used to due to physical limitations.

Posted by: whig at June 20, 2021 08:44 PM (pO7gM)

414 whig,
I'm glad you're feeling better.
Thank you for your valuable insight on this thread in particular. I always look forward to seeing you around, even though the information you impart is mostly over my head.

Take care.

Posted by: nurse ratched at June 20, 2021 08:44 PM (dQOwJ)

415 Weasel I have invited them both. I'm working on them

Posted by: Jewells45 at June 20, 2021 08:45 PM (nxdel)

416 Deal! You see a lot of AR-180B's and Czech VZ.58's up your way?

I think y'all call the Czech VZ.58 another civilian number/name.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 20, 2021 08:19 PM (R/m4+)

Not familiar with those.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 20, 2021 08:45 PM (VNC95)

417 If the site ever goes down, check out weaselgunthread dot c o m. That's where I'll be.

Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2021 08:45 PM (MVjcR)

418 393 Boxer is much easier to reload because you can remove the primer mechanically. Berdan can be decapped, but you usually have to use a water slug to pop it out. There are other differences, but Boxer is shorthand for "reloadable cases".
Posted by: hogmartin at June 20, 2021 07:29 PM (ghoDT)

Berdan primers. Could you drill a tiny hole in the primer, and insert a self-tapping screw, and use that to pull the primer?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 20, 2021 08:33 PM (rFdCw)


Not if it's mil crimped. Hydraulic is the most efficient.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at June 20, 2021 08:46 PM (8C7+r)

419 whig,
I'm glad you're feeling better.
Thank you for your valuable insight on this thread in particular. I always look forward to seeing you around, even though the information you impart is mostly over my head.

Take care.
Posted by: nurse ratched at June 20, 2021 08:44 PM (dQOwJ)
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Absolutely 100% this.

Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2021 08:46 PM (MVjcR)

420 I'm glad you're feeling better.
Thank you for your valuable insight on this thread in particular. I always look forward to seeing you around, even though the information you impart is mostly over my head.
Take care.
Posted by: nurse ratched at June 20, 2021 08:44 PM (dQOwJ)

Concur. I always look forward to whig posting.

Learning is a lifelong process.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 20, 2021 08:47 PM (R/m4+)

421 whig, I recall the Berdan primers on PowderValley's site back in the day. Of no interest to me of course, but thought it was nice that they were out there.

Isn't the irony here that Berdan were the American-invented primer, and Boxer the Euroweenie-invented primer?

Posted by: rhomboid at June 20, 2021 08:47 PM (OTzUX)

422 21 shot in Chicago last night Juneteenth baby! Julyteenth just around the corner.

Posted by: Jimco Industries at June 20, 2021 08:47 PM (buTO7)

423 Posted by: rhomboid at June 20, 2021 08:43 PM (OTzUX)
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Thx for this. PV is a solid outfit.

Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2021 08:48 PM (MVjcR)

424 whig, was not aware of your challenges. Get better, adapt and overcome, thrive. Those are orders, not suggestions.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 20, 2021 08:49 PM (OTzUX)

425 Posted by: Ladyl at June 20, 2021 08:44 PM (+4oV5)
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Thank you, Ladyl!!

Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2021 08:49 PM (MVjcR)

426 Googlag said that my privacy was under attack when I tried, several times, to go in via my normal route.
Posted by: Winston, GOPe, not one dime, not one vote at June 20, 2021 08:38 PM (FtJ1S)


The certificate just expired a few hours ago and hasn't been renewed. It's a legit warning. If you can, try using http:// instead of https://. And don't post your SSN or credit card info on a thread until the certificate is renewed, unless you really want to.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 20, 2021 08:49 PM (ghoDT)

427 Posted by: Jewells45 at June 20, 2021 08:45 PM (nxdel)
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Thank you!

Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2021 08:50 PM (MVjcR)

428 410 rhomboid,
A fair amount of Hodgdon's powder is imported from Australia Defense Industry including popular ones like Varget. A lot of the IMR line is imported from a Canadian powder plant. Hodgdon's 2020 acquisition of Accurate and Ramshot powders has also lessened competition and a fair amount of those Western powders will probably be discontinued in the near future as a result. Think that most of the Winchester line comes from St. Marks in Florida.

Alliant relies on St. Marks Florida plant and its own plant at Radford Virginia with some imports from Bofors.

To some extent too, the powder manufacturing companies are having to use new environmentally friendly processes and chemicals due to environmental regulations which may mean discontinuance or shortages caused by changeovers to new formulations of older powders.

Posted by: whig at June 20, 2021 08:52 PM (pO7gM)

429 Living in CA, a few years before things got *really* stupid with ammo laws, I made sure to lay away a "reserve" in the major handgun calibers, plus 30 carbine, of factory ammo, which I won't touch until, well, not sure.

But I've got a case, minimum, of all of them. Have much more than that in some calibers, for varying reasons. 9mikemike, some extra in case I take some training, where factory ammo is required. In 54R, just bought it cheap/stacked it deep when they were emptying warehouses in Ukraine and eastern Europe and giving it away. In 30-06, have a 500-round can of PPU/M1 ammo.

Fortunately I also learned from last panic, and have *cough cough*, mumble, um, "enough" primers and powder.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 20, 2021 08:53 PM (OTzUX)

430 Not familiar with those.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 20, 2021 08:45 PM (VNC95)

I think the VZ 58 is the Vz 858? up there.....since y'all banned the AK they allowed that rifle which is a goody.

The AR-180B's are big up there since no AR's allowed. The AR-180B's are an updated AR-180 with a polymer lower but operate the same, etc. and take AR magazines.

Check around cause the AR-180B's are prized down here as a collectible since they are not made anymore.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 20, 2021 08:54 PM (R/m4+)

431 whig, good info on powder industry. Well Hodgdon better damn not discontinue TAC, as it meters like water, and based on my first set of test loads for the M1, produced my best results. It's actually the only powder I'm keeping an eye out for to pounce on, if available. Well, H110 too (30 carbine).

Posted by: rhomboid at June 20, 2021 08:55 PM (OTzUX)

432 424 rhomboid, thanks. I don't like to talk about personal issues much but it does affect my recreation.

Posted by: whig at June 20, 2021 08:55 PM (pO7gM)

433 evening horde. just bought some ammo on luckygunner.com
they had .40 in stock, which is a hell of a lot more than i've seen lately.
ready for the Burning Times and the Thunderdome.

Posted by: Jack Burton at June 20, 2021 08:56 PM (VSpQt)

434 rhomboid and Whig are crossing streams . We're going to have an intellectual language explosion.

Posted by: Just a side note at June 20, 2021 08:57 PM (2DOZq)

435 hogmartin
Thanks. I don't have anything that requires security posted here. I don't do Amazon, except to buy the odd book now and again.

Posted by: Winston, GOPe, not one dime, not one vote at June 20, 2021 08:57 PM (FtJ1S)

436 Well, looks like this will end the gub thread.

Did manage to quickly reload 50 rounds of 380ACP today before heading out for fresh air activities.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 20, 2021 08:58 PM (OTzUX)

437 Rock Island Armory makes a dandy 9 mm on a smaller 1911 platform, say, 4.25 barrel

the Spanish Star BM is very nice 9mm 1911 style pistol. It does require the heavier NATO ball but with that load it is a very good pistol. Most of them have wear from being carried in holsters

Spanish guns are pretty. Except the Union .32 pistols I suppose.

Posted by: Kindltot at June 20, 2021 08:59 PM (ySM85)

438 OK, ONT is up. Thank you everyone! Enjoy the rest of your evening and have a great week. Hope to see you next Sunday!

Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2021 09:01 PM (MVjcR)

439 414 thanks nurse. Due to my situation, I have spent a lot of time with numerous medical professionals over the last dozen years or so. I can honestly say that in my view, most of the caring profession in the US are unsung heroes and I have fortunately encountered only a few not so great exceptions.

In the few other countries that I have visited, this is not universally true.

Posted by: whig at June 20, 2021 09:01 PM (pO7gM)

440 Just a hunch!
Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2021 08:39 PM (MVjcR)

===

Definitely need moar ammo. Definitely.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 20, 2021 09:01 PM (EZebt)

441 The certificate just expired a few hours ago and
hasn't been renewed. It's a legit warning. If you can, try using http://
instead of https://. And don't post your SSN or credit card info on a
thread until the certificate is renewed, unless you really want to.
Posted by: hogmartin at June 20, 2021 08:49 PM (ghoDT)


is this why the grey boxes went away and the site looks like a usenet forum?\

Or is that just me?

Posted by: Kindltot at June 20, 2021 09:01 PM (ySM85)

442 [i'429 Living in CA, a few years before things got *really* stupid with ammo laws, I made sure to lay away a "reserve" in the major handgun calibers, plus 30 carbine, of factory ammo, which I won't touch until, well, not sure.

But I've got a case, minimum, of all of them. Have much more than that in some calibers, for varying reasons. 9mikemike, some extra in case I take some training, where factory ammo is required. In 54R, just bought it cheap/stacked it deep when they were emptying warehouses in Ukraine and eastern Europe and giving it away. In 30-06, have a 500-round can of PPU/M1 ammo.

Fortunately I also learned from last panic, and have *cough cough*, mumble, um, "enough" primers and powder.
Posted by: rhomboid at June 20, 2021 08:53 PM (OTzUX)

A fellow Little League coach was relating to me about an 120 day outstanding order on 9mm remanufactured ammo. Reloading company (don't remember the name, but not MagTech nor Freedom) told him if he could send primers, they could make his ammo. Gave him 1K.

I am wondering if there if Big Army is replenishing ammo stocks. Some contracts are basically "on call", so that has to mess with manufacturers some.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at June 20, 2021 09:02 PM (8C7+r)

443 We've seen scares and shortages before, but this current one is simple:

People are preparing for war. Not for legislation; they're not loading up because they think we may get bans. They're doing it because they're afraid the music is going to stop and they'll be left without a chair. And this, while the feds throw helicopter money at everyone.

Primers are the big bottleneck with various other somewhat less serious shortages stemming from there.

Everyone keeps trying to come up with cute reasons why this isn't being driven by simple demand - .gov contracts, market manipulation, etc, but it's all just wishful thinking. Wishing that what is coming is not, in fact, coming.

Posted by: somedood at June 20, 2021 09:39 PM (CUULq)

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