The Morning Rant: Minimalist Edition

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Gee, this sounds great! And in a sane (Trump) world we could confidently hope that these weapons would be developed and deployed to counter the looming threat of Chinese expansionism.

But we don't live in a sane world, and in fact it's bat-shit crazy. There is no political will in the corridors of power to push back against China when those corridors are filled with grifting traitors whose only desires are power and money, and if those things come from the Chinese in exchange for neutering our armed forces? Well, that's how omelets are made!

Army Long Range Strike Gives China A Taste of Its Own Medicine

In a nutshell, the Army wants to place mobile, long-range missile and extended-range artillery batteries on Pacific islands and perhaps in Japan and South Korea. The missiles and artillery rounds are "smart" — meaning precise.

Should China attack, the Army's missile fire would complement other long-range attacks to destroy Chinese ballistic missiles, air bases, coastal defenses and even warships.

With China's long-range fires "softened up," Navy carrier battle groups head west and, along with Air Force airstrikes, deliver the counterattack: perhaps the coup de grace to China's communist dictatorship.

That's a pipe dream. First of all, China will invade Taiwan long before it attacks American interests or America. Second, the current illegitimate occupants of the White House who are calling the shots (whoever they may be) have no interest in confronting China. They will obfuscate and blubber the usual nonsense, go to the UN for a strong condemnation that will be vetoed by the security council (China has a vote!), and ultimately China will conquer and consume a long-time thorn in its side...a free Chinese country just off its coast.

China owns large and influential segments of our society, and until we drive them back, we and the free world will never be safe. But please...don't hold your breath...it isn't happening anytime soon.

Posted by: CBD at 11:00 AM




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1 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at June 17, 2021 10:00 AM (Zz0t1)

2 hiya

Posted by: JT at June 17, 2021 10:00 AM (arJlL)

3 That would be AWESOME.

Therefore it won't happen.

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at June 17, 2021 10:01 AM (Zz0t1)

4 Hola

Posted by: Thanatopsis at beautiful Chancre del Diablo ranch at June 17, 2021 10:01 AM (DKbF7)

5 he doesn't look so mini

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 17, 2021 10:02 AM (LvTSG)

6 teenth!

Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at June 17, 2021 10:02 AM (sJHOI)

7 those corridors are filled with grifting traitors whose only desires are power and money

Don't forget the "hookers and Blow".

Posted by: Paladin at June 17, 2021 10:03 AM (7hzzD)

8 Pipe dream? When? Where?

Posted by: H. Biden at June 17, 2021 10:03 AM (U1eOr)

9 That's a pipe dream. First of all, China will invade Taiwan long before it attacks American interests or America.


Taiwan IS an American interest. There's a TON of products "made in Taiwan" for American companies and distributed in the US.

A China owned Taiwan is bad.......

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at June 17, 2021 10:03 AM (Zz0t1)

10 Of course it won't happen. Richie Rich will make sure it doesn't. Their money is tied up in China

Posted by: CN at June 17, 2021 10:03 AM (ONvIw)

11 Make Coastal Artillery Great Again.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at June 17, 2021 10:04 AM (jOcSX)

12 he doesn't look so mini
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 17, 2021 10:02 AM (LvTSG)


Compared to Gorilla.......

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at June 17, 2021 10:04 AM (Zz0t1)

13 Unless, of course, the grift was seen to be much more lucrative if the ChiComs were to fall.

Posted by: Rock Girthpounder at June 17, 2021 10:04 AM (5t6kL)

14 I had a general once who very accurately describe "smart" munitions. He said a chicken crapping in a barnyard has infinitely more brain power than our most advanced "brilliant" munition.
I doubt this has changed much..

Posted by: Diogenes at June 17, 2021 10:05 AM (axyOa)

15 With China's long-range fires "softened up," Navy carrier battle groups head west and, along with Air Force airstrikes, deliver the counterattack: perhaps the coup de grace to China's communist dictatorship.
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Yeah, this won't happen. I doubt the Army actually wants this, either.

It is a strategically interesting thought experiment, though. This sort of the opposite of conventional wisdom for war in the Pacific. Traditionally, you use your naval and air power to soften up the target, making way for the army. This is using fixed army positions to soften up the target, making way for naval and air power. It's an interesting thought for that theater.

But it is nothing more than an interesting thought. The powers that be aren't interested in threatening (let along fighting) China, and China both isn't interested in being threatened and owns our powers that be.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 17, 2021 10:05 AM (Jsjd7)

16 A China owned Taiwan is bad.......
Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at June 17, 2021 10:03 AM (Zz0t1)

But the CCP might drive down labor costs in Taiwan, otherwise the Gates and Zuckerberg kids will starve to death!

Posted by: CN at June 17, 2021 10:05 AM (ONvIw)

17 From the Bee . . .

U.S.
Congress Passes Law To Recognize Juneteenth, The Day Republicans Freed All The Democrats' Slaves
June 16th, 2021 113

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at June 17, 2021 10:05 AM (d9FiS)

18 All Taiwan needs is one missile, aimed at the base of the Three Stooges Dam.

"You first"

Posted by: t-bird at June 17, 2021 10:05 AM (Lt1JN)

19 Man, those piercings had to have hurt, Punk Monkee.

Posted by: Just Sayin' at June 17, 2021 10:06 AM (+nWCH)

20 >>China owns large and influential segments of our society


China is also busy gaining control/management of ports around the world, and making sure many countries are heavily in debt to them via One Belt, One Riad projects.

Posted by: Lizzy at June 17, 2021 10:06 AM (bDqIh)

21 Army should base some of those missiles in Taiwan.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 17, 2021 10:06 AM (jd+Ya)

22 This reminds me I ought to watch Thirteen Days again. Yes, I know it's a JFK hagiography, but it's worth it just to suffer through the horrendous "Baaahhston" accent Kevin Costner tries to fake.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 17, 2021 10:06 AM (2JVJo)

23 morning Horde,

sucks that i'm in the office this week and missing all the fun

China is asshoe

and biden is the little cling on that is stuck there...

Posted by: SturmToddler at June 17, 2021 10:06 AM (8D42x)

24 I had a general once who very accurately describe "smart" munitions. He said a chicken crapping in a barnyard has infinitely more brain power than our most advanced "brilliant" munition.
I doubt this has changed much..
Posted by: Diogenes at June 17, 2021 10:05 AM (axyOa)
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The downside to "smart" is that it requires fairly significant infrastructure. We have that infrastructure, but we don't know (or don't talk about, anyway) the vulnerabilities in that infrastructure. A smart missile that can hit a target very precisely is great, but it requires a constellation of satellites and various communications in order to find its own ass. If something happens to those comms or that constellation, it's pointless.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 17, 2021 10:06 AM (Jsjd7)

25 Taiwan IS an American interest. There's a TON of products "made in Taiwan" for American companies and distributed in the US.

Completed products, not since the early 2000s. Components, yes. TSMC (Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Corporation) makes the important chips for Apple, Microsoft, AMD, and Nvidia. Which are assembled into products on mainland China in all 4 cases.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 17, 2021 10:06 AM (ZGrMX)

26
"The IRS states in an official letter that Biblical values are exclusively Republican."

Posted by: SMOD at June 17, 2021 10:07 AM (RHGPo)

27 I had a general once who very accurately describe "smart" munitions. He said a chicken crapping in a barnyard has infinitely more brain power than our most advanced "brilliant" munition.
I doubt this has changed much..
Posted by: Diogenes

Well, to be fair, chicken crap is also smarter than our president.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at June 17, 2021 10:07 AM (d9FiS)

28 "The IRS states in an official letter that Biblical values are exclusively Republican."
Posted by: SMOD at June 17, 2021 10:07 AM (RHGPo)
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Really? Is there a copy of that letter?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 17, 2021 10:08 AM (Jsjd7)

29 Should China attack, the Army's missile fire would complement other long-range attacks to destroy Chinese ballistic missiles, air bases, coastal defenses and even warships.


Take out Three Gorges Dam.

Don't want none? Don't start none.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 17, 2021 10:08 AM (3/f2v)

30 Bring back atomic Annie!

Posted by: Archer at June 17, 2021 10:08 AM (gmo/4)

31 The whole thing is full of holes.


Punky Munky's face, not the rant.

Posted by: Muldoon at June 17, 2021 10:08 AM (Fc5rx)

32 Congress Passes Law To Recognize Juneteenth, The Day Republicans Freed All The Democrats' Slaves

Lovely. Another day of race hatred, another day of BurnLootMurder and another day for telling me that Great-Great-Grandfather Poppins should have sat the war out instead of getting his ass shot at for a bunch of historically-illiterate gangbanging thugs.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 17, 2021 10:08 AM (2JVJo)

33 Taiwan IS an American interest.

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at June 17, 2021 10:03 AM (Zz0t1)

Not any more.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 17, 2021 10:09 AM (Q9lwr)

34 A question about the art thread...When will Biden's son, whats his name, have one of his paintings featured? I hear its pretty good art according to Doctor Jill.

Posted by: Colin at June 17, 2021 10:09 AM (edLeP)

35 >>>chicken crapping in a barnyard has infinitely more brain power than our most advanced "brilliant" munition.
I doubt this has changed much..

Posted by: Diogenes at June 17, 2021 10:05 AM (axyOa)
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Army says they have supersonic long range drone thing that can reach China coast from Guam.

They move it to Taiwan that thing can reach Peking.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 17, 2021 10:09 AM (jd+Ya)

36 Take out Three Gorges Dam.

Don't want none? Don't start none.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 17, 2021 10:08 AM (3/f2v)
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I am starting to come around to the position that this would be a reasonable retributive act for what they've done.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 17, 2021 10:09 AM (Jsjd7)

37 @17

But but but muh party switch!!!

Posted by: brak at June 17, 2021 10:09 AM (pt57y)

38 Really? Is there a copy of that letter?

It's SMOD.

Posted by: t-bird at June 17, 2021 10:09 AM (lIIT7)

39 22 This reminds me I ought to watch Thirteen Days again. Yes, I know it's a JFK hagiography, but it's worth it just to suffer through the horrendous "Baaahhston" accent Kevin Costner tries to fake.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 17, 2021 10:06 AM (2JVJo)

OT, I read "The Love Letter" BTW.

Posted by: CN at June 17, 2021 10:09 AM (ONvIw)

40 The downside to "smart" is that it requires fairly significant infrastructure. We have that infrastructure, but we don't know (or don't talk about, anyway) the vulnerabilities in that infrastructure. A smart missile that can hit a target very precisely is great, but it requires a constellation of satellites and various communications in order to find its own ass. If something happens to those comms or that constellation, it's pointless.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 17, 2021 10:06 AM (Jsjd7)


Ditto unmanned systems.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at June 17, 2021 10:09 AM (jOcSX)

41 China owns large and influential segments of our society

Yup. They own the White House which is an outstanding coup. They apparently are inside the IC too. They've infiltrated education, tech, media, the means for food production and own the logistical and supply lines for nearly everything else we consume.

They effectively have overthrown the country.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 17, 2021 10:10 AM (3H9h1)

42 All those missiles are going to tip Guam over after all.

Posted by: TexasDan at June 17, 2021 10:10 AM (ohOLP)

43 So now that Juneteenth is going to be a national holiday, how long before it's appropriated by whites the same way Cinco De Mayo and St. Patrick's day were? I can't wait for hordes of college students to pile into the bars on a Tuesday night using "Juneteenth" as an excuse to wear pimp hats and get shitfaced on 40s of malt liquor and Hennessy.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at June 17, 2021 10:11 AM (jOcSX)

44 "The IRS states in an official letter that Biblical values are exclusively Republican."
Posted by: SMOD at June 17, 2021 10:07 AM (RHGPo)

and right wing extremist, manna for the violent insurrectionists.

Posted by: Count de Monet, checked in to the Heartbreak Hotel at June 17, 2021 10:11 AM (4I/2K)

45
They effectively have overthrown the country.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 17, 2021 10:10 AM (3H9h1)

Makes Putin look a little inadequate, IMO

Posted by: CN at June 17, 2021 10:11 AM (ONvIw)

46 but of course

Attorney Ty Clevenger Trying to Get to the Bottom of Seth Rich Murder Receives FOIA Response from FBI Stating It Will Take Decades to Provide All the Related Documents

the gateway pundit

Posted by: artisanal ette at June 17, 2021 10:11 AM (9VFzC)

47
*Munkey*

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 17, 2021 10:11 AM (n+4am)

48 I can't wait for hordes of college students to pile into the bars on a Tuesday night using "Juneteenth" as an excuse to wear pimp hats and get shitfaced on 40s of malt liquor and Hennessy.

If that actually happens it'll be hilarious. The wokes will have shot themselves in the face again.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 17, 2021 10:13 AM (ZGrMX)

49 They effectively have overthrown the country.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 17, 2021 10:10 AM (3H9h1)
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This is true. And it's wonderful. We have so many people to thank, we barely know where to begin. We thank mom and dad, obviously. We also thank the globalist theory men who laid the groundwork. We definitely need to thank the World Trade Organization, and especially Bill Clinton for helping us out with that *and* giving us Most Favored Nation status. Those things helped a ton. We also thank Western business executives who were tempted by our domestic markets into giving us their intellectual capital and their industrial jobs base. We really couldn't have done it without you.

There are so very many more people to thank, but we just don't have time. You know who you are, and you know that we love you.

Thank you again. So very, very, very much. We are thrilled to receive this high - albeit deserved - honor.

Posted by: People's Republic of China at June 17, 2021 10:13 AM (Jsjd7)

50 I really don't believe that we have anything to worry about CCP military arms. If they're as well-constructed as their consumer goods, I think that they'd probably sink on the way to Taiwan.

On the other hand, I believe we have a lot to worry about regarding our side. Between the defenestration of the pro-Trump brass, and CRT and Woke politics indoctrination attempting to infect the enlisted group, as well as the fecklessness of the FICUS, we'd never be able to muster enough will to confront the CCP anyway.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at June 17, 2021 10:13 AM (mdjgu)

51 We don't have the chain-of-custody for 330,000 absentee ballots.

Also, this was the most secure election in history.

These can both be true.

Posted by: Georgia at June 17, 2021 10:13 AM (KfC1e)

52 -----If something happens to those comms or that constellation, it's pointless.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 17, 2021 10:06 AM (Jsjd7)
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Ditto unmanned systems.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at June 17, 2021 10:09 AM (jOcSX)
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Fire up the B-52s.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 17, 2021 10:14 AM (jd+Ya)

53 Both the US and the USSR lost the Cold War to China.

Posted by: Eat the Eloi at June 17, 2021 10:14 AM (BvNzB)

54 51 We don't have the chain-of-custody for 330,000 absentee ballots.

Also, this was the most secure election in history.

These can both be true.
Posted by: Georgia at June 17, 2021 10:13 AM (KfC1e)

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Yes it can, if you believe!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 17, 2021 10:14 AM (LvTSG)

55 Three Gorges Dam doesn't need much for munitions to take it out, the bedrock is already cracking due to the enormous water pressure. Also, we have... stuff in the lands of Hello Kitty and Gangnam Style, we'd just have to upgrade it.

Posted by: take all advice from pookysgirl with a bag of salt at June 17, 2021 10:14 AM (wufDd)

56 51 We don't have the chain-of-custody for 330,000 absentee ballots.

Also, this was the most secure election in history.

These can both be true.
Posted by: Georgia at June 17, 2021 10:13 AM (KfC1e)

I made sure that the 2020 election was chock full of integrity!

Posted by: Mikey Pence who lacks all sense at June 17, 2021 10:14 AM (ONvIw)

57 Fire up the B-52s.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 

Love shack?

Posted by: I mean at June 17, 2021 10:15 AM (mWcih)

58 We don't have the chain-of-custody for 330,000 absentee ballots.
Also, this was the most secure election in history.

These can both be true.
Posted by: Georgia at June 17, 2021 10:13 AM (KfC1e)
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It can be true simultaneously. If it is, though, it throws every single prior election into the dustbin along with 2020's.

Pick your poison, Georgia and the rest of you fucks.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 17, 2021 10:15 AM (Jsjd7)

59 Fire up the B-52s.
Posted by: Braenyard

And boil the Rock Lobsters!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at June 17, 2021 10:15 AM (d9FiS)

60 They effectively have overthrown the country.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 17, 2021 10:10 AM (3H9h1)


Without most of our population even being aware of it.

Posted by: Jordan61, I am the 30% at June 17, 2021 10:15 AM (Ez6QX)

61 Three Gorges Dam doesn't need much for munitions to take it out, the bedrock is already cracking due to the enormous water pressure. Also, we have... stuff in the lands of Hello Kitty and Gangnam Style, we'd just have to upgrade it.
Posted by: take all advice from pookysgirl with a bag of salt at June 17, 2021 10:14 AM (wufDd)


Scuba in with a hammer and chisel and you're done.

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at June 17, 2021 10:15 AM (Zz0t1)

62 Back in the 60s and 70s everyone thought Japan would "own" the US. Turns out they were wrong.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at June 17, 2021 10:16 AM (JUOKG)

63 =========

Yes it can, if you believe!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 17, 2021 10:14 AM (LvTSG)


We accept TRUTH over FACTS!!!

What's YOUR truth?

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at June 17, 2021 10:16 AM (Zz0t1)

64 I really don't believe that we have anything to worry about CCP military arms. If they're as well-constructed as their consumer goods, I think that they'd probably sink on the way to Taiwan.

Yeah, I have the same general opinion of CCP military hardware as I do of Russian military hardware. Arguably worse in the CCP case, since Russian infrastructure seems to actually stay together, whereas Chinese building/bridge/road/dam collapses are kind of a regular event. (I've heard from an online friend who's really into roller coasters that if you want a real fear-for-your-life thrill, go to a Chinese amusement park with Chinese-made rides).

Posted by: Ian S. at June 17, 2021 10:16 AM (ZGrMX)

65
Scuba in with a hammer and chisel and you're done.
Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at June 17, 2021 10:15 AM (Zz0t1)

But all those poor innocent people who just want to be free of oppression! How dare you!

Posted by: CN at June 17, 2021 10:16 AM (ONvIw)

66 But all those poor innocent people who just want to be free of oppression! How dare you!
Posted by: CN at June 17, 2021 10:16 AM (ONvIw)
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There are plenty of them. It's true. If it comes to warfare with China, I will even feel bad about their destruction as collateral damage.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 17, 2021 10:17 AM (Jsjd7)

67 I learned about Juneteenth in my sixth grade Texas history class. It's not exactly a cause for celebration. "Hey, we were last!" Isn't something to be proud of.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 17, 2021 10:17 AM (kTF2Z)

68 Where's Guy Gibson when you need him?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at June 17, 2021 10:17 AM (d9FiS)

69 Apple is one of the most conspicuously and obnoxiously "woke" companies in America. They're comfortable with losing business here by offending half their customers in the USA.

Not so in China, though.

https://tinyurl.com/7mernzpc

"Apple's App Store in China has removed 27 LGBTQ+-related apps, either to meet the demand of the Chinese government or in a preemptive manner, a new report shows."

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, world's most respected Fantasy Hero writer at June 17, 2021 10:17 AM (KZzsI)

70
But all those poor innocent people who just want to be free of oppression! How dare you!
Posted by: CN at June 17, 2021 10:16 AM (ONvIw)


Honestly, I'd rather tactically nuke every virus lab and government building than kill millions of innocents, but they HAVE been brainwashed, so.......I'm torn.

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at June 17, 2021 10:17 AM (Zz0t1)

71 What Liszt said is 100% correct.

The Chinese are gathering deep water ports under their control via extreme debt through their Lines and Roads scam.

Add to that Chinas new "Monroe Doctrine" which claims the right to invade any country anywhere if Chinese lives or interests are threatened and bingo-bango its a worldwide Chinese Hegemony.

BONUS! All of the deals they sign have a clause that grants Chinese invasion privileges. Out great allies to the north Canada signed that very deal recently.

Posted by: naturalfake at June 17, 2021 10:18 AM (EERbD)

72 @nypost

Airlines, banks hit in global web outage hours after Putin-Biden summit

https://tinyurl.com/yeky6jp7

Russia: Hey, they weren't on 'the list'.

Posted by: Tami at June 17, 2021 10:18 AM (cF8AT)

73 The Chinese government has acknowledged damage to fuel rods at a nuclear power plant in the south of the country, but said no radioactivity had leaked.

China's Ministry of Ecology and Environment said the problem was "common" with no need for concern.

Posted by: andycanuck at June 17, 2021 10:18 AM (UHVv4)

74 62 Back in the 60s and 70s everyone thought Japan would "own" the US. Turns out they were wrong.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at June 17, 2021 10:16 AM (JUOKG

Major differences though. Japan didn't overwhelm our universities or buy our pols. I don't recall many stories about espionage either, by some of the millions they sent here (of course they didn't send colonists a la China)

Posted by: CN at June 17, 2021 10:18 AM (ONvIw)

75 Back in the 60s and 70s everyone thought Japan would "own" the US.

Not so much the 60s as I recall but definitely it was a huge theme in the 80s. Cyberpunk was all about Japanese corps owning the USA, etc.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, world's most respected Fantasy Hero writer at June 17, 2021 10:19 AM (KZzsI)

76 Major differences though. Japan didn't overwhelm our universities or buy our pols. I don't recall many stories about espionage either, by some of the millions they sent here (of course they didn't send colonists a la China)
Posted by: CN at June 17, 2021 10:18 AM (ONvIw)
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Japan was mercantilist. They weren't above IP theft, unfair trade practices, dumping, buying up foreign assets and all the rest, but it was essentially mercantile.

China is not mercantilist. They're classically imperialist.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 17, 2021 10:19 AM (Jsjd7)

77 First item: apply Gell-Mann to the article. There are, though, some things in there that generally correct. For instance, the blurring of traditional roles of the services. There's much more going on than what's in the article, but I can't go in depth. However, anyone can do a search for MDTF. . .just remember the admonishment to apply G-MAE to what you're reading.

Posted by: Bert G at June 17, 2021 10:19 AM (EFETN)

78 Honestly, I'd rather tactically nuke every virus lab and government building than kill millions of innocents, but they HAVE been brainwashed, so.......I'm torn.
Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at June 17, 2021 10:17 AM (Zz0t1)

I should have used a sarc tag. When I mentioned having high hopes for Three Gorges a lot of people questioned my humanity on the basis that the poor miserable billion was being ruled by a handful of monsters.

Posted by: CN at June 17, 2021 10:20 AM (ONvIw)

79 But all those poor innocent people who just want to be free of oppression! How dare you!
Posted by: CN at June 17, 2021 10:16 AM (ONvIw)

Honestly, I'd rather tactically nuke every virus lab and government building than kill millions of innocents, but they HAVE been brainwashed, so.......I'm torn.
Posted by: Sponge


They wouldn't blink twice if China nuked Chicago.
So, sorry.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 17, 2021 10:20 AM (3/f2v)

80 62 Back in the 60s and 70s everyone thought Japan would "own" the US. Turns out they were wrong.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at June 17, 2021 10:16 AM (JUOKG)

Fact: Japan's population is aging rapidly, with far too few young people marrying and having kids. It is a dying culture. A whole industry has come about to remove the remains of the elderly who die alone.

Why did this happen?

Posted by: JM in Florida at June 17, 2021 10:20 AM (HCeRP)

81 Airlines, banks hit in global web outage hours after Putin-Biden summit

-
Glenn Kessler
@GlennKesslerWP
via @MaxBoot --> Biden wiped the smirk off Putin's face

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at June 17, 2021 10:20 AM (d9FiS)

82 OT, I read "The Love Letter" BTW.
Posted by: CN at June 17, 2021 10:09 AM (ONvIw)


What did you think?

I would give almost anything to have written that. And oh, how I wish I could have a moment like that.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 17, 2021 10:20 AM (2JVJo)

83 China's Ministry of Ecology and Environment said the problem was "common" with no need for concern.

"Thlee eyed fish is dericious and happy fun health. You eat good, lound eye"

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Psychos Rule! No, really. They're in charge now. at June 17, 2021 10:21 AM (HaL55)

84 Scuba in with a hammer and chisel and you're done.
The Dam Lobsters.

"Red Boy's dead." (Although that line will be censored from North American showings out of sensitivity to Native Americans.)

Posted by: andycanuck at June 17, 2021 10:21 AM (UHVv4)

85 Lawyer Bob Cheeley, who's leading the audit, told Just the News that the evidence he's seen so far points to "election tabulation malpractice,d" though experts and state election officials disagree on whether the evidence is proof of fraud or gross incompetence.

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Cleanest election ever.

And if you don't think so, you deserve to be in prison.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 17, 2021 10:21 AM (LvTSG)

86
Yeah, I have the same general opinion of CCP military hardware as I do of Russian military hardware. Arguably worse in the CCP case, since Russian infrastructure seems to actually stay together



Especially since a lot of ChiCom military hardware is just cheap knock-offs of Russkie gear. One thing that's hilarious is the ChiCom attempts to make a decent jet engine. They consistently are underpowered for their weight and fuel consumption, and are so unreliable that they need major rebuilds at less than 100 hours of operation, compared to the 400-600 hours of Russian stuff, and 1000+ of US engines.

As a result, the ChiComs constantly have to go buy engines from the Slavs to keep their planes in the air.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 17, 2021 10:22 AM (n+4am)

87 China's Ministry of Ecology and Environment said the problem was "common" with no need for concern.

Well, I have to say, that is a refreshing take from a 'Ministry of Ecology and Environment'.

Posted by: t-bird at June 17, 2021 10:22 AM (/2aWP)

88 I should have used a sarc tag. When I mentioned having high hopes for Three Gorges a lot of people questioned my humanity on the basis that the poor miserable billion was being ruled by a handful of monsters.
Posted by: CN at June 17, 2021 10:20 AM (ONvIw)
++++
To a point. It is something I have been thinking about recently, and I don't have an answer. But if it does come to war with China (I don't think it will), how open a target is China's mass population? The only recent conflict where this was a question is WWII. There is a strong argument to be made that in the context of mutual total existential war, there are non-combatants but there actually no civilians.

What of China today? It would be a bit different. China is a slave slate. Is slaughtering your enemy's slaves to fight the slave owners a morally acceptable condition? I don't know. I've been thinking about it a lot, though.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 17, 2021 10:22 AM (Jsjd7)

89 Fire up the B-52s.

Posted by: Braenyard


FRYING CHICKENS IN THE BARNYARD WITH JET EXHAUST!

General Buck Turtgidson, USAF

Posted by: Archer at June 17, 2021 10:23 AM (gmo/4)

90 43 So now that Juneteenth is going to be a national holiday, how long before it's appropriated by whites the same way Cinco De Mayo and St. Patrick's day were? I can't wait for hordes of college students to pile into the bars on a Tuesday night using "Juneteenth" as an excuse to wear pimp hats and get shitfaced on 40s of malt liquor and Hennessy.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at June 17, 2021 10:11 AM (jOcSX)


If you happen to be in rural East or Southeast Texas for Juneteenth, it's a lot of fun--at least it was from the 70s through the 90s. I can't imagine why it should be a federal holiday though.

I can only envision bad things happening and the least of my concerns is college students getting drunk.

Posted by: Michael the Texan at June 17, 2021 10:23 AM (QQ6wR)

91 Largest army on the planet! ...as long as we don't have to transport them across water or thru the air.

Posted by: China at June 17, 2021 10:23 AM (/2aWP)

92 You can trust China. My word as a Biden.

Posted by: Joe D. Mensha at June 17, 2021 10:24 AM (WmGrA)

93 I can't wait for hordes of college students to pile into the bars on a Tuesday night using "Juneteenth" as an excuse to wear pimp hats and get shitfaced on 40s of malt liquor and Hennessy.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile


That's so rayciss

Posted by: nurse ratched at June 17, 2021 10:24 AM (W2Pud)

94 @GlennKesslerWP
via @MaxBoot --> Biden wiped the smirk off Putin's face
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at June 17, 2021 10:20 AM (d9FiS)

It's the look of a man fully appreciating for the first time that the person he's talking to isn't really there.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 17, 2021 10:24 AM (8F94N)

95 Arguably worse in the CCP case, since Russian infrastructure seems to actually stay together

Russia has a culture of drunken sloth, but China has a culture of corruption and power grabbing at any cost. Taking half the budget to pay on hookers and bootleg western products then doing shoddy work to cover it up is the Chinese way.

That's the origin of their social credit score stuff, they recognize the corruption is top to bottom and its so bad they are trying to come up with a way to use state power to stop it.

The examples are somewhat hilarious but very numerous. Buildings literally falling over, bridges coming a part revealing they were a thin layer of concrete over random garbage (literally trash), etc.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, world's most respected Fantasy Hero writer at June 17, 2021 10:24 AM (KZzsI)

96 That's so rayciss
Posted by: nurse ratched at June 17, 2021 10:24 AM (W2Pud)


Admit it, you laughed.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at June 17, 2021 10:24 AM (jOcSX)

97 @72 Russia: Hey, they weren't on 'the list'.
I'm sure you know, this is how Korea got started.

Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at June 17, 2021 10:25 AM (zMFmR)

98 Largest army on the planet! ...as long as we don't have to transport them across water or thru the air.
Posted by: China

High speed rail is the ticket my friend.

Posted by: Joe D. Mensha at June 17, 2021 10:25 AM (WmGrA)

99 94 @GlennKesslerWP
via @MaxBoot --> Biden wiped the smirk off Putin's face
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at June 17, 2021 10:20 AM (d9FiS)


Hahahahahahahaha

Posted by: It's me donna at June 17, 2021 10:25 AM (Zmnko)

100 That's so rayciss
Posted by: nurse ratched at June 17, 2021 10:24 AM (W2Pud)

Admit it, you laughed.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at June 17, 2021 10:24 AM (jOcSX)



Because the odds of it actually happening are MUCH greater than zero.

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at June 17, 2021 10:25 AM (Zz0t1)

101 In five years time, leggy girls in high heels like this one will all be concubines to the Chinese imperialists. Get 'em while you can.
https://is.gd/J2EvOl

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 17, 2021 10:25 AM (Jsjd7)

102 Fire up the B-52s.

Posted by: Braenyard


FRYING CHICKENS IN THE BARNYARD WITH JET EXHAUST!

General Buck Turtgidson, USAF
Posted by: Archer at June 17, 2021 10:23 AM (gmo/4)

Well, boys, I reckon this is it - nuclear combat toe to toe with the Roosskies Red Chinese.

Posted by: Major Kong, USAF at June 17, 2021 10:25 AM (4I/2K)

103 Admit it, you laughed.
Posted by: Colorado Alex



Like a retarded hyena.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 17, 2021 10:26 AM (3/f2v)

104 GlennKesslerWP
via @MaxBoot --> Biden wiped the smirk off Putin's face
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at June 17, 2021 10:20 AM (d9FiS)

Do these people actually BELIEVE what they are saying?
Have they lost their minds?

Posted by: JoeF. at June 17, 2021 10:26 AM (mR6Gs)

105 No other developed country runs elections set up for fraud: Count until 10p and stop so you know how many votes you have to steal to win.

Come back at 8am to celebrate victory.

We, as a people, should not stand for it.

Posted by: JM in Florida at June 17, 2021 10:26 AM (HCeRP)

106 Three Gorges Dam doesn't need much for munitions to take it out, the bedrock is already cracking due to the enormous water pressure.

That's why we used flexible concrete! Got to roll with things, round-eye...

Posted by: China at June 17, 2021 10:26 AM (2nFxy)

107 slaughtering your enemy's slaves to fight the slave owners a morally acceptable condition? I don't know. I've been thinking about it a lot, though.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 17, 2021 10:22 AM (Jsjd7)

Yes, i say. Unequivocally.

What is not justified is slaughtering them in a war you're not really trying all that hard to win.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 17, 2021 10:26 AM (6FeV1)

108 The best way to understand Russia today is to think of them as being a gigantic mafia. The government is a crime family with Putin at the top. The lesser government officials run different schemes to make money, and holding companies hostage with hacking is just one of them.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, world's most respected Fantasy Hero writer at June 17, 2021 10:26 AM (KZzsI)

109 Fire up the B-52s.

Posted by: Braenyard

Hop in Chrysler it sits about TWENTY

Posted by: JoeF. at June 17, 2021 10:27 AM (mR6Gs)

110 Largest army on the planet! ...as long as we don't have to transport them across water or thru the air.
Posted by: China

High speed rail is the ticket my friend.
Posted by: Joe D. Mensha


I think I see the chink in your plan...

Posted by: rickb223 at June 17, 2021 10:27 AM (3/f2v)

111 Do these people actually BELIEVE what they are saying?
Have they lost their minds?
Posted by: JoeF. at June 17, 2021 10:26 AM (mR6Gs)
++++
They probably do believe it, yeah. They have to believe it. This is the world they made. They got everything they wanted. They *have* to believe they were right and all is well, because otherwise they'll lapse into fugue and collapse like a dying star. They can't let that happen. These are real men, movers and shakers - not institutionalized idiots drooling on themselves and playing with bits of brightly-colored string.

They MUST believe. They have no other choice.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 17, 2021 10:27 AM (Jsjd7)

112
Do these people actually BELIEVE what they are saying?
Have they lost their minds?
Posted by: JoeF. at June 17, 2021 10:26 AM (mR6Gs)


When you have no credibility, you really don't care what other people think about you.

That and it PAYS REALLY WELL.

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at June 17, 2021 10:27 AM (Zz0t1)

113 Taking out the 3 gorgeous dams will leave Xi, his board of directors, and the military intact.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 17, 2021 10:27 AM (jd+Ya)

114
Largest army on the planet! ...as long as we don't have to transport them across water or thru the air.
Posted by: China at June 17, 2021 10:23 AM (/2aWP)


Of course according to Strategy Page, anywhere from 40-50% of that army is trained and detailed for internal security, which means that they're shit for field use.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 17, 2021 10:28 AM (n+4am)

115 Chyron on Russian Television RT reads, "President Trump, er, Putin, er, -- " Biden appears confused after summit report from Geneva.

Posted by: andycanuck at June 17, 2021 10:28 AM (UHVv4)

116 Admit it, you laughed.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile

Of course I laughed. I'm not a progressive asshole who has no sense of humor.
That's some funny shit.

Posted by: nurse ratched at June 17, 2021 10:28 AM (W2Pud)

117 If you happen to be in rural East or Southeast Texas for Juneteenth, it's a lot of fun--at least it was from the 70s through the 90s. I can't imagine why it should be a federal holiday though.

I can only envision bad things happening and the least of my concerns is college students getting drunk.
Posted by: Michael the Texan at June 17, 2021 10:23 AM (QQ6wR)
***

I gotta say, until I started reading it here, I've never heard of Juneteenth.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 17, 2021 10:28 AM (axyOa)

118 China's Ministry of Ecology and Environment said the problem was "common" with no need for concern.

Gee, what was that Jane Fonda movie called? The ... Something Syndrome. I'm sure it'll come to me.

Posted by: Oddbob at June 17, 2021 10:28 AM (nfrXX)

119 Both the US and the USSR lost the Cold War to China.

The rest of the world detested the notion of being caught in the middle of two superpowers. The detested one superpower even more. They'll come to hate China - but not until we're demoted to a regional power again.

Maybe we'll finally learn our lesson - you can't give away freedom or prosperity. You only create resentment when you try.

Posted by: East of Omaha at June 17, 2021 10:28 AM (z/EVC)

120 I'm torn between thinking that China swallows up Taiwan this Summer....or when the inevitable Kamala takes over.

Posted by: JoeF. at June 17, 2021 10:28 AM (mR6Gs)

121 The US military is in talks with Space X (and others) about using rockets to deliver 100 tons of material/personnel to anywhere on the globe within an hour. (h/t behindtheblack)

Now, using my incredible search-fu skillz, I have found out that 100 tons of $100 bills comes to $9.8 billion dollars...

which I figure is just about the right amount of bribe to get the ayatollahs to build their nuclear warheads just a little slower.

Iran Nuke Deal Number Two, here we come!

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 17, 2021 10:28 AM (F0YaR)

122 Darn it! I should have typed "Red Boy's boiled" instead!

Posted by: andycanuck at June 17, 2021 10:29 AM (UHVv4)

123 The rest of the world detested the notion of being caught in the middle of two superpowers. The detested one superpower even more. They'll come to hate China - but not until we're demoted to a regional power again.

Maybe we'll finally learn our lesson - you can't give away freedom or prosperity. You only create resentment when you try.
Posted by: East of Omaha at June 17, 2021 10:28 AM (z/EVC)
++++
These people - or their descendants - will rue the day that they destroyed the Pax Americana.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 17, 2021 10:29 AM (Jsjd7)

124 I'm torn between thinking that China swallows up Taiwan this Summer....or when the inevitable Kamala takes over.
Posted by: JoeF


China swallows Taiwan or Kamala swallows Taiwan?

Posted by: rickb223 at June 17, 2021 10:29 AM (3/f2v)

125 One thing you can be sure of about Kamala, she'll take a bribe and do what you paid for. Biden, who the hell knows what he'll do.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, world's most respected Fantasy Hero writer at June 17, 2021 10:29 AM (KZzsI)

126 14 I had a general once who very accurately describe "smart" munitions. He said a chicken crapping in a barnyard has infinitely more brain power than our most advanced "brilliant" munition.
I doubt this has changed much..
Posted by: Diogenes at June 17, 2021 10:05 AM (axyOa)

"President Biden" and "smart" do not go together anyway. However, "President Biden" and "chickenshit" most certainly do.

Posted by: Insomniac - Zhou Bai-Den Is Not My Chairman at June 17, 2021 10:29 AM (II3Gr)

127 That's the origin of their social credit score stuff, they recognize the corruption is top to bottom and its so bad they are trying to come up with a way to use state power to stop it.

The examples are somewhat hilarious but very numerous. Buildings literally falling over, bridges coming a part revealing they were a thin layer of concrete over random garbage (literally trash), etc.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, world's most respected Fantasy Hero writer at June 17, 2021 10:24 AM (KZzsI)

This is not a system that is set up to produce positively-motivated and competent troops and commanders. It's less set up to produce that same kind of workforce. That's why it's much easier for them to co-opt our system and use CRT, etc etc to de-motivate and demoralize our side. We don't have the same kind of asymmetrical tools that they do, unfortunately.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at June 17, 2021 10:30 AM (mdjgu)

128

China swallows Taiwan or Kamala swallows Taiwan?
Posted by: rickb223 at June 17, 2021 10:29 AM (3/f2v)


Kumswala swallows whomever, really.

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at June 17, 2021 10:30 AM (Zz0t1)

129 Fact: Japan's population is aging rapidly, with far too few young people marrying and having kids. It is a dying culture. A whole industry has come about to remove the remains of the elderly who die alone.

Why did this happen?


I've read that it was imported Western feminism, which fits in with traditional Japanese custom even worse than it does traditional Judeo-Christian custom.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 17, 2021 10:30 AM (6XLoz)

130 via @MaxBoot --> Biden wiped the smirk off Putin's face
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at June 17, 2021 10:20 AM (d9FiS)

Do these people actually BELIEVE what they are saying?
Have they lost their minds?
Posted by: JoeF. at June 17, 2021 10:26 AM (mR6Gs)

Even a dumbass prick like Boot could win an argument with Biden.

Posted by: Northernlurkerish at June 17, 2021 10:30 AM (cSyAR)

131 All our big screen TVs are ready for easy looting during our Spectacular Juneteenth carry out sale!


Crazy Eddies!

Posted by: Archer at June 17, 2021 10:30 AM (gmo/4)

132 We can rag on Chinese manufacturing quality all we want but I suspect our own military runs on a whole lot of their electronics.

Posted by: TexasDan at June 17, 2021 10:30 AM (ohOLP)

133 slaughtering your enemy's slaves to fight the slave owners a morally acceptable condition? I don't know. I've been thinking about it a lot, though.

I think we value their lives more than the Communist system does. So, it might have a worse effect on us- and I wouldn't put it past them to know this!

Posted by: t-bird at June 17, 2021 10:30 AM (2nFxy)

134 Three Gorges Dam doesn't need much for munitions to
take it out, the bedrock is already cracking due to the enormous water
pressure. Also, we have... stuff in the lands of Hello Kitty and Gangnam
Style, we'd just have to upgrade it.


Posted by: take all advice from pookysgirl with a bag of salt at June 17, 2021 10:14 AM

Park a couple of SSGN's off the coast of China and target all of their dams. 240 cruise missiles can do a tremendous amount of damage is a relatively short time. Knock out their power and then leave.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at June 17, 2021 10:31 AM (JUOKG)

135 Kamala swallows Winnie the Xi in the Lincoln Bedroom.

Foreign relations don't cha know.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 17, 2021 10:31 AM (04XgJ)

136 82. I'm torn. It was interesting in the same way that Portrait of Jennie and some of the Nathan books are. I found it a bit unnerving that Jake assumed the letters were written to him though Helen only mentioned "Willy" and never him.

I wonder if it was the inspiration for Lake House, which was dependent on letters?

It was well written, and his longing for Helen seemed to be influenced by his lack of longing for Roberta, and fear that he'd never find anyone he "longed for". It would be interesting to be able to look ahead and see if Jake was able to use the deep feelings he clearly possessed and find someone contemporary.

It's too bad it doesn't have a bigger audience.


Posted by: CN at June 17, 2021 10:31 AM (ONvIw)

137 This is just a strategy to win a budget war with the USAF, not an actual warfighting strategy.

China has the initiative in westpac because of the tyranny of distance. That also works against her in that anything she tries to do has inherent long lines of communication and supply, which are vulnerable.

My counter China strategy would be to attack the OneChina concept. Support those ethnic. variations and languages - movies, social media, TV shows in every dialect except Mandarin

Posted by: Jean at June 17, 2021 10:31 AM (Xih1H)

138 Japan doesn't seem to be suffering much from feminism, based on their popular culture. I think people just burned out from 18 hour, 7 day a week jobs and said "the hell with it". Also, the women there have been raised to only marry or date guys who are super successful and wealthy, then treat them like hell once they get the ring (according to Japanese friends) and the guys have just decided a huge pillow with an anime character and some electronic toys are better than putting up with that crap.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, world's most respected Fantasy Hero writer at June 17, 2021 10:32 AM (KZzsI)

139
I can't wait for hordes of college students to pile into the bars on a Tuesday night using "Juneteenth" as an excuse to wear pimp hats and get shitfaced on 40s of malt liquor and Hennessy.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile


Make Blaxploitation great again!

Posted by: Superfly's shaft at June 17, 2021 10:32 AM (63Dwl)

140 Max Boot puts the dumb in dumb ass. Also the ass.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at June 17, 2021 10:32 AM (d9FiS)

141 O.M.G! "Antiviral pills"? Do they mean HCQ?! FFS!

@AP

BREAKING: The U.S. is devoting more than $3 billion to advance development of antiviral pills for COVID-19, an official briefed on the matter told @AP. The pills would be used to minimize symptoms after infection.

The pills are in development and could begin arriving by year's end, pending the completion of clinical trials. The White House is scheduled to hold a briefing on its COVID-19 plans with Dr. Anthony Fauci.

Posted by: Tami at June 17, 2021 10:33 AM (cF8AT)

142 An Ohio class SSGN would ruin anyone's day. And best of all, no radioactive fallout.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 17, 2021 10:33 AM (04XgJ)

143 Any serious conflict with China will result in the destruction of huge chunks of our domestic infrastructure by way of sabotage, hacking, etc. It's horrendously vulnerable, and our leadership hasn't been serious about civil defense for 60 years or so. China has the tools to maintain order and keep people in line if things go to shit; we don't, and don't have any reasonable way to prevent them from going to shit, either.

While we're furiously printing and off-shoring, they've been hoarding strategic materials and gobbling up manufacturing capacity and know-how for anything they can get their hands on.

Some potato like Biden or fellator like Harris is going to be responsible for us getting our shit pushed in.

Posted by: somedood at June 17, 2021 10:33 AM (K2Qh2)

144 CBD, minor quibble: China has bought off the cabal running resident Biden.

Our government is nothing more than an extension of CCP will, at this point.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at June 17, 2021 10:33 AM (2SdPm)

145 Three gorgeous dames????

Put the blame on Mame, boys
Put the blame on Mame
One night she started to shim and shake
That brought on the Frisco quake
So you can put the blame on Mame, boys
Put the blame on Mame

Posted by: andycanuck at June 17, 2021 10:34 AM (UHVv4)

146 @MaxBoot --> Biden wiped the smirk off Putin's face
Posted by: Anonosaurus

Putin smirks when he wrestles bears, shirtless

Posted by: Jean at June 17, 2021 10:34 AM (Xih1H)

147 I am trying to imagine what genius advised puppet Biden to give Putin the cyber target list. But Occam tells me its a product of the traitors and spies and insurgents in the deep state. But not only did that idiot give them a list, he told everybody about it and gave non-russian actors a heads up on what to attack. One of the biggest diplomatic fails since Neville Chamberlain.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 17, 2021 10:34 AM (r+sAi)

148
Armor status: [x] Chinked.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2021 10:34 AM (s2VJv)

149 107 slaughtering your enemy's slaves to fight the slave owners a morally acceptable condition? I don't know. I've been thinking about it a lot, though.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 17, 2021 10:22 AM (Jsjd7)

Yes, i say. Unequivocally.

What is not justified is slaughtering them in a war you're not really trying all that hard to win.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 17, 2021 10:26 AM (6FeV1)

...

Limited warfare turns out to be the less merciful method. Maybe by design if you're selling bullets.

Posted by: TexasDan at June 17, 2021 10:34 AM (ohOLP)

150 The pills are in development and could begin arriving by year's end, pending the completion of clinical trials. The White House is scheduled to hold a briefing on its COVID-19 plans with Dr. Anthony Fauci.

Posted by: Tami at June 17, 2021 10:33 AM (cF8AT)


Oh. We need Clinical Trials now?

And Dr. Fauci? Fuck off.

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at June 17, 2021 10:35 AM (Zz0t1)

151 Max the Boot wants to the bottom

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 17, 2021 10:35 AM (04XgJ)

152 >>> Back in the 60s and 70s everyone thought Japan would "own" the US.

Not so much the 60s as I recall but definitely it was a huge theme in the 80s. Cyberpunk was all about Japanese corps owning the USA, etc.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, world's most respected Fantasy Hero writer at June 17, 2021 10:19 AM (KZzsI)


Shadowrun had it as a major theme. Japan, neo Aztecs, Native tribes, pretty much carve up the US.

Posted by: banana Dream at June 17, 2021 10:35 AM (+BMD8)

153 Here is a link to the Finney story: https://tinyurl.com/by7bt5re

Posted by: CN at June 17, 2021 10:35 AM (ONvIw)

154 I wish Trump wouldn't start having rallies again--at least not yet.
For one, I worry about his personal safety. They've tried everything "else."

And two, I fear many decent people --with much to lose--will stay away, leaving only the "rougher", dare I say, "less sophisticated" part of his base to attend.
And these are the type who may be swayed by manipulators in the FBI or other agencies to start trouble.

Posted by: JoeF. at June 17, 2021 10:35 AM (mR6Gs)

155 The pills are in development and could begin arriving by year's end, pending the completion of clinical trials. The White House is scheduled to hold a briefing on its COVID-19 plans with Dr. Anthony Fauci.
Posted by: Tami at June 17, 2021 10:33 AM (cF8AT)
++++
Is it new, or something old but effective like those antimalarials and antiparasatics that seem to work well against a whole lot of viruses?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 17, 2021 10:35 AM (Jsjd7)

156 China would love to own the supply lines for everything. As it is now, over 50 percent of container shipping, those big commercial ships, utilize the shipping facilities along the Yangtze River... which is where the 3 Gorges Dam is located. The US still gets a shit ton of crap from China via those ships.

If that supply chain is broken you can kiss the US economy good bye for a very long time. It would make the issues we just went through as a result of the COVID restrictions and the shortages look puny in comparison.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 17, 2021 10:36 AM (3H9h1)

157 147 I am trying to imagine what genius advised puppet Biden to give Putin the cyber target list. But Occam tells me its a product of the traitors and spies and insurgents in the deep state. But not only did that idiot give them a list, he told everybody about it and gave non-russian actors a heads up on what to attack. One of the biggest diplomatic fails since Neville Chamberlain.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 17, 2021 10:34 AM (r+sAi)

I generally agree with this, however I can't imagine that those 16 targets were a great state secret. Any halfway competent military could have come up with that list all by themselves.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at June 17, 2021 10:36 AM (mdjgu)

158 O.M.G! "Antiviral pills"? Do they mean HCQ?! FFS!

unfortunately no.
Big Pharma only makes money off of new drugs under the Emergency Use ruse.
So after going bust on 2 vaccines, and even though they make Ivermectin
Merck is spending billions to develop a new antiviral that is more expensive and less effective than Ivermectin.
USGOV already signed a 2.5 Billion supply agreement for it even though its not finished Phase III trials.
Its the BigPharma way !

Posted by: McCool at June 17, 2021 10:36 AM (BqBIh)

159 China has the tools to maintain order and keep people in line if things go to shit; we don't, and don't have any reasonable way to prevent them from going to shit, either.

As long as they have food and energy ... which have to sail past our subs

Posted by: Jean at June 17, 2021 10:36 AM (Xih1H)

160 Max Boot opened his pie hole again?

I sort of think Putin pointing out the current resident is holding political prisoners and that Ashli Babbett was assassinated wiped the smirk off of the resident Dementia and company.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at June 17, 2021 10:36 AM (2SdPm)

161 Max the Boot wants to the bottom
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 17, 2021 10:35 AM (04XgJ)

I can't believe I've read a book by him

Posted by: JoeF. at June 17, 2021 10:36 AM (mR6Gs)

162 >With China's long-range fires "softened up," Navy carrier battle groups head west and, along with Air Force airstrikes, deliver the counterattack: perhaps the coup de grace to China's communist dictatorship.



'Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face.'

Posted by: DB- just DB at June 17, 2021 10:37 AM (iTXRQ)

163 Zaibatsu uber alles nyah

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 17, 2021 10:37 AM (04XgJ)

164 It's horrendously vulnerable, and our leadership hasn't been serious about civil defense for 60 years or so.

Yeah I think the last president who took strategic defense and infrastructure seriously was Ike.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, world's most respected Fantasy Hero writer at June 17, 2021 10:37 AM (KZzsI)

165 And two, I fear many decent people --with much to lose--will stay away, leaving only the "rougher", dare I say, "less sophisticated" part of his base to attend.
And these are the type who may be swayed by manipulators in the FBI or other agencies to start trouble.
Posted by: JoeF. at June 17, 2021 10:35 AM (mR6Gs)
++++
This is a possibilities and I expect it to happen. But there's also another side to it. The pressure is building and there's no release valve (all of the release valves has been purchased or co-opted and then closed by the Left). So the starting of trouble is inevitable. The FBI will prevaricate, lie, infiltrate and everything else anyway.

Trump or no Trump, rallies or no rallies. It might change the timeline, perhaps, but not the outcome. The outcome is sealed now.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 17, 2021 10:37 AM (Jsjd7)

166 These people - or their descendants - will rue the day that they destroyed the Pax Americana.

They'll be miserable - but my study of most people's tenuous at best relationship with cause and effect tells me their new hatred for the ChiComs won't replace their old hatred for America. Very few folks have the capacity for mental change. Once they buy into a thought - they stay bought.

Posted by: East of Omaha at June 17, 2021 10:38 AM (z/EVC)

167
BREAKING: The U.S. is devoting more than $3 billion to advance development of antiviral pills for COVID-19, an official briefed on the matter told @AP. The pills would be used to minimize symptoms after infection.

Already have that.. And about one dollar a pill.. hydroxychloroquine

Posted by: It's me donna at June 17, 2021 10:38 AM (Zmnko)

168 If that supply chain is broken you can kiss the US economy good bye for a very long time. It would make the issues we just went through as a result of the COVID restrictions and the shortages look puny in comparison.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 17, 2021 10:36 AM (3H9h1)

...

We have been trying very diligently to not buy things made in China.

It's staggering how impossible that task ends up being. You have to just not buy stuff.

Posted by: TexasDan at June 17, 2021 10:38 AM (ohOLP)

169 Shadowrun had it as a major theme. Japan, neo Aztecs, Native tribes, pretty much carve up the US.
Posted by: banana

And cannible, we wendingo shamans

Posted by: Jean at June 17, 2021 10:38 AM (Xih1H)

170 Some potato
Posted by: somedood at June 17, 2021 10:33 AM


Fun fact: My middle name is Patrick.

Posted by: Brian Patrick Stelter at June 17, 2021 10:38 AM (DMUuz)

171 O.M.G! "Antiviral pills"? Do they mean HCQ?! FFS!

No, no, no. Totally new options called Hydroxychloroquina, Ivermectina, and Quercetina, each of which to be taken with Zink and vitamin DDD.

But you're not a scientist so I don't expect you to understand any of this.

Posted by: Dr. Anthony Fauxci at June 17, 2021 10:38 AM (KDCRD)

172 The pills are in development and could begin arriving by year's end, pending the completion of clinical trials. The White House is scheduled to hold a briefing on its COVID-19 plans with Dr. Anthony Fauci.

Posted by: Tami at June 17, 2021 10:33 AM (cF8AT)

Can't be HCQ, big pharma wouldn't make the big bucks off of it... but I bet its something just enough different so they can patent it AS a different drug.

Note.... BILLIONS will be spent on it.

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 17, 2021 10:38 AM (oHd/0)

173 Oh, man, it's been awhile since I worked with an actual crazy person. Last time, it was a Burmese guy. This time it's an Indian guy. Something in the South Asian water I guess.

But yeah, total lunatic. Not mean or dangerous, just crazy AF.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 17, 2021 10:38 AM (pfqSb)

174 I am trying to imagine what genius advised puppet Biden to give Putin the cyber target list.

The Deep State geniuses who want a war, and are using the list as cover to take out US infrastructure and blame it on the Russians / Trump / MAGA, in order to justify a massive crackdown on civil liberties and a war with Russia. This is not Biden. This is Deep State setting up a trap for the citizens of the USA.

Change my mind.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 17, 2021 10:39 AM (2JVJo)

175 159 China has the tools to maintain order and keep people in line if things go to shit; we don't, and don't have any reasonable way to prevent them from going to shit, either.

As long as they have food and energy ... which have to sail past our subs
Posted by: Jean at June 17, 2021 10:36 AM (Xih1H)

If we cut off just our supply of pork products from CCP, they would feel the damage. I don't think the damage from that Asian Pork Flu outbreak has yet to subside in China.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at June 17, 2021 10:39 AM (mdjgu)

176 Is there a limit to how much Biden dick the neverTrumpers are willing to suck? Or how much dignity they're prepared to sacrifice for the sake the senile one?

Posted by: Northernlurkerish at June 17, 2021 10:39 AM (cSyAR)

177 The Deep State geniuses who want a war, and are using the list as cover to take out US infrastructure and blame it on the Russians / Trump / MAGA, in order to justify a massive crackdown on civil liberties and a war with Russia. This is not Biden. This is Deep State setting up a trap for the citizens of the USA.

Change my mind.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 17, 2021 10:39 AM (2JVJo)
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I'm not going to try. Even if the specifics are wrong, the general case is correct.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 17, 2021 10:40 AM (Jsjd7)

178 Is there a limit to how much Biden dick the neverTrumpers are willing to suck?

How much ya got?

Posted by: Never Trump at June 17, 2021 10:40 AM (W66RU)

179 everything, seemingly, is a false flag

Posted by: BlackOrchid at June 17, 2021 10:40 AM (j9HX3)

180 >>> Is there a limit to how much Biden dick the neverTrumpers are willing to suck? Or how much dignity they're prepared to sacrifice for the sake the senile one?
Posted by: Northernlurkerish at June 17, 2021 10:39 AM (cSyAR)


They've already played their entire hand. This is all they have, there will be no limits.

Posted by: banana Dream at June 17, 2021 10:40 AM (+BMD8)

181 If that supply chain is broken you can kiss the US economy good bye for a very long time. It would make the issues we just went through as a result of the COVID restrictions and the shortages look puny in comparison.
Posted by: Martini Farmer


We tooled up from nothing to more than the world had ever seen in 1942. We could do it again. Painless? No. But we aren't incompetent either.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 17, 2021 10:41 AM (3/f2v)

182 >I am trying to imagine what genius advised puppet Biden to give Putin the cyber target list.


remember, these are the same people who believe men can have periods

Posted by: DB- just DB at June 17, 2021 10:41 AM (iTXRQ)

183 I think fixed offenses, much like fixed defenses, have an inherent weakness in that they're fixed, which makes them easy targets or known obstacles to avoid or go around. Back in the day, we just located, closed with, and destroyed the enemy by fire and maneuver. I suppose now that's little too masculine nowadays.

Posted by: Farmer Bob at June 17, 2021 10:41 AM (o5N6D)

184 China has the tools to maintain order and keep people in line if things go to shit

Kinda. If things aren't too bad they can handle it but the nation has a third of the earth's population and not that big an army or police force. Like all tyrannies they rely mostly on informants, isolation, and making people feel powerless. Disrupt things enough and none of those matter.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, world's most respected Fantasy Hero writer at June 17, 2021 10:41 AM (KZzsI)

185 obamacare survives because of these two idiots

Trump's three appointees to the Supreme Court - Justices Amy Coney Barrett, Neil Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh - split their votes. Kavanaugh and Barrett joined the majority. Gorsuch was in dissent, signing on to an opinion from Justice Samuel Alito.

Posted by: artisanal ette at June 17, 2021 10:41 AM (9VFzC)

186 Posted by: McCool at June 17, 2021 10:36 AM (BqBIh)

Wow.. is that why the big push to pretty much force vaccines on everyone?

Because they KNEW they had an antiviral in the works? So they had to scare people into the experimental vaccine so pharma could make the bucks off of it FIRST?

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 17, 2021 10:41 AM (oHd/0)

187 Trump or no Trump, rallies or no rallies. It might change the timeline, perhaps, but not the outcome. The outcome is sealed now.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 17, 2021 10:37 AM (Jsjd7)

Agreed. Between the Plandemic's unraveling and The Big Steal getting exposed in the next few weeks, the Establishment will have their hands too full placating the rubes to worry about a Trump rally.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at June 17, 2021 10:42 AM (mdjgu)

188 180 >>> Is there a limit to how much Biden dick the neverTrumpers are willing to suck? Or how much dignity they're prepared to sacrifice for the sake the senile one?
Posted by: Northernlurkerish at June 17, 2021 10:39 AM (cSyAR)


They've already played their entire hand. This is all they have, there will be no limits.
Posted by: banana Dream at June 17, 2021 10:40 AM (+BMD

========

Anything for true conservatism, up to and including praising a corrupt, senile, old idiot whose administration is forcing leftist socialism on America.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 17, 2021 10:42 AM (LvTSG)

189 I think fixed offenses, much like fixed defenses, have an inherent weakness in that they're fixed, which makes them easy targets or known obstacles to avoid or go around

"Why we have no idea what you are talking about!"
--French Generals who tried a wall two wars in a row that the Germans marched around

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, world's most respected Fantasy Hero writer at June 17, 2021 10:42 AM (KZzsI)

190 The Deep State geniuses who want a war, and are using the list as cover to take out US infrastructure and blame it on the Russians / Trump / MAGA, in order to justify a massive crackdown on civil liberties and a war with Russia. This is not Biden. This is Deep State setting up a trap for the citizens of the USA.

Change my mind.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 17, 2021 10:39 AM (2JVJo)


I would love to think its a briar patch - oh please, Mr. Putin, do not attack these targets it would be sooo terrible for us.

But I have long since lost any thought that our IC is competent in any way.

Posted by: blaster at June 17, 2021 10:42 AM (4q7lA)

191 >Is there a limit to how much Biden dick the neverTrumpers are willing to suck?



I hate to say it, but President Cool Sunglasses apparently has a bottomless dick

Posted by: DB- just DB at June 17, 2021 10:42 AM (iTXRQ)

192 Kavanaugh and Barrett

Two winners.. I never liked either

Posted by: It's me donna at June 17, 2021 10:42 AM (Zmnko)

193 Putin is a scumbag and a tyrant, but we should be friendly with them as potential allies if China does something stupid.

Posted by: JoeF. at June 17, 2021 10:42 AM (mR6Gs)

194 I saw a headline or blub recently about the Aussie coal embargo is hurting the Reds. I'd imagine a food one would be alot worse.

Posted by: andycanuck at June 17, 2021 10:42 AM (UHVv4)

195 We tooled up from nothing to more than the world had ever seen in 1942. We could do it again. Painless? No. But we aren't incompetent either.

Not even painless, it would be damned fun and exciting to be a part of.

Posted by: t-bird at June 17, 2021 10:42 AM (KDCRD)

196 We tooled up from nothing to more than the world had ever seen in 1942. We could do it again. Painless? No. But we aren't incompetent either.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 17, 2021 10:41 AM (3/f2v)
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A lot of the conditions that enabled that don't exist anymore. We didn't have an EPA to prevent you from throwing factories like they were going out of style. We didn't have universities - who were massively important in the war effort - actively working for the enemy. We had massive amounts of obsolete surplus equipment that could be reconditioned to produce new equipment. We don't anymore - we sent it all overseas.

It will be much, much harder this time.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 17, 2021 10:43 AM (Jsjd7)

197 I think everyone knew Kavanaugh was a elite country club insider from the beginning and didn't really trust him but the attacks on him were so stupid, so wrong, so false, and so outrageous that you had to fight them.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, world's most respected Fantasy Hero writer at June 17, 2021 10:43 AM (KZzsI)

198 "The Germans won't attack through the Ardennes."

Belgium, "we're neutral!"

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 17, 2021 10:43 AM (04XgJ)

199 >>> Trump's three appointees to the Supreme Court - Justices Amy Coney Barrett, Neil Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh - split their votes. Kavanaugh and Barrett joined the majority. Gorsuch was in dissent, signing on to an opinion from Justice Samuel Alito.
Posted by: artisanal ette at June 17, 2021 10:41 AM (9VFzC)

I thought it was 7-2 so Thomas wasn't a dissenter? He agreed?

Posted by: banana Dream at June 17, 2021 10:43 AM (+BMD8)

200 If that supply chain is broken you can kiss the US economy good bye for a very long time. It would make the issues we just went through as a result of the COVID restrictions and the shortages look puny in comparison.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 17, 2021 10:36 AM (3H9h1)

I don't buy that... China makes stuff for us and the rest of the world but they don't design it. We have the ability and resources to depend only on our own supply lines but we choose not to. We have mines that can get needed metals and minerals but they are closed because Chinese slave labor is undercutting us. Things were coming back home... only the steal stopped it.

Posted by: Inogame at June 17, 2021 10:44 AM (53oGX)

201 #194 Addendum: And that would help remove the Mandate of Heaven I'm sure.

Posted by: andycanuck at June 17, 2021 10:44 AM (UHVv4)

202 It will be much, much harder this time.


plus, our populace is quite different

not in a good way

Posted by: BlackOrchid at June 17, 2021 10:44 AM (j9HX3)

203 If we cut off just our supply of pork products from CCP, they would feel the damage. I don't think the damage from that Asian Pork Flu outbreak has yet to subside in China.
Posted by: Darrell Harris

Just soy beans would starve them. We should demand massive carbon cuts or no food. Give AL Gore a uniform and a riding crop.

Posted by: Jean at June 17, 2021 10:44 AM (Xih1H)

204 "Why we have no idea what you are talking about!"
--French Generals who tried a wall two wars in a row that the Germans marched around
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, world's most respected Fantasy Hero writer at June 17, 2021 10:42 AM (KZzsI)


This... isn't true. The purpose of the Maginot line was always to force the Germans to go through Belgium, since doing so allowed the French to fight outside their borders, across a much smaller front, and would draw in the Brits (who had guaranteed Belgian security).

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at June 17, 2021 10:44 AM (jOcSX)

205 Check this out, the little trollop of a reporter that Biden cussed out yesterday not only gave him a pass but pretty much apologized for the question.

These fucking people.....

Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 17, 2021 10:44 AM (QlVtI)

206 "The best way to understand Russia today is to think of them as being a gigantic mafia. The government is a crime family with Putin at the top. The lesser government officials run different schemes to make money, and holding companies hostage with hacking is just one of them."

Sounds like the USA, substitute the DNC for Putin.

Posted by: the cat at June 17, 2021 10:44 AM (aAP3z)

207 >A lot of the conditions that enabled that don't exist anymore.


like a consensus national will

Posted by: DB- just DB at June 17, 2021 10:44 AM (iTXRQ)

208 We had massive amounts of obsolete surplus equipment that could be reconditioned to produce new equipment. We don't anymore - we sent it all overseas.

We had businesses who fell all over themselves to help in the war effort, we had genius innovators from the gilded age still alive and actively working like Hershey and Ford. We had a culture that encouraged hard work, sacrifice, and achievement. NONE of that is around any longer.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, world's most respected Fantasy Hero writer at June 17, 2021 10:45 AM (KZzsI)

209 I thought it was 7-2 so Thomas wasn't a dissenter? He agreed?
Posted by: banana Dream at June 17, 2021 10:43 AM (+BMD


Yup.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at June 17, 2021 10:45 AM (jOcSX)

210 Already have that.. And about one dollar a pill.. hydroxychloroquine
Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner. Of course, the repackaged HCQ will have a cool new name like Covicure or something and be heavily advertised to the Karens.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 17, 2021 10:45 AM (r+sAi)

211 202 It will be much, much harder this time.


plus, our populace is quite different

not in a good way
Posted by: BlackOrchid at June 17, 2021 10:44 AM (j9HX3)

Soy-drenched, America-hating degenerate fagz.

Posted by: Insomniac - Zhou Bai-Den Is Not My Chairman at June 17, 2021 10:45 AM (II3Gr)

212 >the little trollop of a reporter that Biden cussed out yesterday not only gave him a pass but pretty much apologized


of course she did
doesn't want to lose access to the cool kids' table
and more likely, boss told her to

Posted by: DB- just DB at June 17, 2021 10:46 AM (iTXRQ)

213 One or two strategic EMP blasts over eastern China would, along with taking out their damns, cripple China for decades... which means that we'll never do it.

Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at June 17, 2021 10:46 AM (flINI)

214 slaughtering your enemy's slaves to fight the slave owners a morally acceptable condition?

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I've been reading about the Battle Aachen, the first major German city to fall to the Allies. The Nazi Gauleiter issued an evacuation order for the civilians which read in part . . .

"Our children's eyes, which want to see a future, remind us to resist with all means to the last breath. The voices of the many hundreds of thousands who remained on the battlefields for the honor and freedom of our Fatherland, or those who lost their lives to enemy terror bombing, are calling us. The spirits of the heroes of liberty of our glorious history shake us, so that we do not weaken or become cowards during the decisive part of the fight for our existence!"

The appeal to honor, freedom, and liberty seems a might misplaced but then he also said . . .

"Whoever disturbs measures of the evacuation, or tries to refuse to join the withdrawal, not only puts himself in deadly danger, but has to be considered a traitor against the public community and dealt with accordingly."

That's more like the Nazi we've come to know!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at June 17, 2021 10:47 AM (d9FiS)

215 213 One or two strategic EMP blasts over eastern China would, along with taking out their damns, cripple China for decades... which means that we'll never do it.
Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at June 17, 2021 10:46 AM (flINI)

The entire Romney family would starve, you...you..you madman!/s

Posted by: CN at June 17, 2021 10:47 AM (ONvIw)

216 Justice Stephen Breyer wrote for the court that the states and people who filed a federal lawsuit "have failed to show that they have standing to attack as unconstitutional the Act's minimum essential coverage provision."
In dissent, Alito wrote, "Today's decision is the third installment in our epic Affordable Care Act trilogy, and it follows the same pattern as installments one and two. In all three episodes, with the Affordable Care Act facing a serious threat, the Court has pulled off an improbable rescue." Alito was a dissenter in the two earlier cases, as well.
Like Alito, Justice Clarence Thomas was in dissent in the two earlier cases, but he joined Thursday's majority, writing, "Although this Court has erred twice before in cases involving the Affordable Care Act, it does not err today."

Posted by: artisanal ette at June 17, 2021 10:47 AM (9VFzC)

217 One of the few things James Carville ever let escape from his pie hole that was sensible was "It's the economy stupid". The deep state and the world economy folks would dearly love to destroy what we have as an economy and the quickest way to do it is a red hot shootin' war. I'm not talking Iranian Chris Crafts attacking the USN, or Israel protecting her people. A good multi national dust up, say India gets it on with the Paks, China aids the Paks, and while nobody is looking,the sooner than later Taiwan invasion begins. Those steely eyed investors would show the world their lily liver.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin at June 17, 2021 10:47 AM (I58tH)

218 Why is the CDC all in on vaxxes for CCP lung flu? Why, they own a boatload of patents connected to those vaxxes:

https://tinyurl.com/4e6r7rsw

Posted by: Vyx at June 17, 2021 10:48 AM (tjZg/)

219 Of course I went along with the liberal majority. How else'm I gonna keep getting invited to those rockin' cocktail parties.

Posted by: Rapey McBoof at June 17, 2021 10:49 AM (Bmy3R)

220 Maricopa County, Fulton County, Antrim County. These are becoming household names. Which Pennsylvania county will join the list?

Posted by: t-bird at June 17, 2021 10:49 AM (B2mhs)

221 "The Germans won't attack through the Ardennes."

Belgium, "we're neutral!"

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Just like last time!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at June 17, 2021 10:49 AM (d9FiS)

222 O/T again, but speaking of Jack Finney - he wrote a wonderful book called Forgotten News, in which he talks about the 1857 murder of NYC dentist Harvey Burdell. It's very armchair narrator, filled with illustrations and a look into a past world as only Finney could describe it. I hightly recommend it:

https://tinyurl.com/k6sjvndk

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 17, 2021 10:49 AM (2JVJo)

223 I thought it was 7-2 so Thomas wasn't a dissenter? He agreed?

Yes, Thomas was on the majority, he agreed there was no standing.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 17, 2021 10:50 AM (ZGrMX)

224 Cruz Rages On Senate Floor: Since Biden Became President, 'We've Seen Crisis After Crisis After Crisis'

Ah, but the must be the good kind of crisis...

Posted by: artisanal ette at June 17, 2021 10:50 AM (9VFzC)

225 If we cut off just our supply of pork products from CCP, they would feel the damage. I don't think the damage from that Asian Pork Flu outbreak has yet to subside in China.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at June 17, 2021 10:39 AM (mdjgu)


Not true. Pork prices in China are taking a massive dive (per zh chart) right now, due to a glut of product in China. Iirc, it takes about a year to raise a pig to slaughter weight. 18 months for a cow. 6 weeks for a chicken.

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 17, 2021 10:50 AM (F0YaR)

226 219 Of course I went along with the liberal majority. How else'm I gonna keep getting invited to those rockin' cocktail parties.

(fistbump) Meanwhile, I've forgiven them for calling me a White Colonizer for adopting children from Haiti, and for accusing me of leading a literal Handmaid's Tale religious cult.

S'all in good fun. See ya at the cocktail party after work!

Posted by: Literal Handmaiden at June 17, 2021 10:50 AM (Bmy3R)

227 plus, our populace is quite different - not in a good way

Gotta' say - not looking forward to my notice of mandatory relocation and employment for the new American regime that would undertake such an effort. It would look like something that Fritz Todt would envy.

Posted by: East of Omaha at June 17, 2021 10:50 AM (z/EVC)

228 Some here say WLNSSEODQY. Let me be clear, there's no time like the present.

Posted by: B. Hussein Obama at June 17, 2021 10:51 AM (DMUuz)

229 Ever heard bunches of Bubbles bursting?

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at June 17, 2021 10:51 AM (rB4m/)

230 220 Maricopa County, Fulton County, Antrim County. These are becoming household names. Which Pennsylvania county will join the list?


Philadelphia County or Allegheny County

but really they should look at all the collar counties of PA. wew lads there was fraud galore

Posted by: BlackOrchid at June 17, 2021 10:51 AM (j9HX3)

231 oops I mean Philly collar counties

Posted by: BlackOrchid at June 17, 2021 10:51 AM (j9HX3)

232 Kavanaugh and Barrett



Two winners.. I never liked either

Posted by: It's me donna at June 17, 2021 10:42 AM

115% better than what most people thought was going to happen to the Supreme Court in 2016.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at June 17, 2021 10:51 AM (JUOKG)

233 Joe Biden: You heard me say this before, again and again. I'm going to keep saying it. What's that idea. We don't derive our rights from the government. We possess them because we're born. Period. And we yield them to a government.

eh?

who?

Posted by: artisanal ette at June 17, 2021 10:52 AM (9VFzC)

234 Cruz Rages On Senate Floor: Since Biden Became President, 'We've Seen Crisis After Crisis After Crisis'

Who'll be the first to call Biden senile?

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at June 17, 2021 10:53 AM (cSyAR)

235 The SCOTUS decision seems to be this:

plaintiffs: Hey the government lowered the Obama care penalty of the individual mandate to zero and that is crazy. A zero penalty is invalid and the penalty is not severable from Obama care so Obama care should be unconstitutional.

SCOTUS: Yep all that is correct, but your very claim that the penalty is zero is proof that there is no harm and therefore you have no standing.

Plaintiffs: Doh!

Posted by: banana Dream at June 17, 2021 10:53 AM (+BMD8)

236 John Solomon
@jsolomonReports

Georgia audit documents expose significant election failures in state's largest county. Records suggest more than 100 batches of absentee ballots in Fulton County could be missing. -- Just The News


Posted by: artisanal ette at June 17, 2021 10:54 AM (9VFzC)

237 213 One or two strategic EMP blasts over eastern China would, along with taking out their damns, cripple China for decades... which means that we'll never do it.
Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at June 17, 2021 10:46 AM (flINI)

I have seen arguments going one way and another over how devastating EMP would be. If you are going to use that kind of force, just strike the rickety dam directly (not with a nuke) you'll do more damage.

On the other hand, what would be the effect of attacking the three gorges dam with a dirty nuke? You not only eliminate the dam, but you also spread the dangerous material through the resultant flooding. That would be horrific. *shudder*

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 17, 2021 10:54 AM (csEWM)

238 @232
Yeah but now the court is on a majority opinion jag, to stave off the marxist packing the court.

Everything is falling apart, we're that Lufthansa plane with the yoke pitched full forward.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 17, 2021 10:54 AM (QlVtI)

239 Let me get this straight: The court wrongly decided the first two times, about Obamacare, but, this time, the court decided correctly?

I guess SCOTUS has assumed the guise of Oracles, because they certainly don't care about actual law, any more.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at June 17, 2021 10:54 AM (2SdPm)

240 236 John Solomon
@jsolomonReports

Georgia audit documents expose significant election failures in state's largest county. Records suggest more than 100 batches of absentee ballots in Fulton County could be missing. -- Just The News


Posted by: artisanal ette at June 17, 2021 10:54 AM (9VFzC)

========

If you doubt that 100% of those were for Biden and genuine, then you're a conspiracy theorist.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 17, 2021 10:54 AM (LvTSG)

241 right so the counts for many places (like Fulton) counted ballots that literally do not exist

does Biden win if he doesn't have ballots?!?! just phony numbers?!! that's good enough?!?

Posted by: BlackOrchid at June 17, 2021 10:54 AM (j9HX3)

242 And we yield them to a government.

eh?

who?
Posted by: artisanal ette at June 17, 2021 10:52 AM (9VFzC)

That is pretty much what the left believes. All our freedoms should be theirs to use wisely. *spit*

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 17, 2021 10:55 AM (csEWM)

243 I don't believe I've ever been to a cocktail party. I've been to banquets with cocktails first but never a cocktail party.
I feel so Deplorable.

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at June 17, 2021 10:55 AM (cSyAR)

244 does Biden win if he doesn't have ballots?!?! just phony numbers?!! that's good enough?!?
Posted by: BlackOrchid at June 17, 2021 10:54 AM (j9HX3)
++++
Yes. It is good enough. Ballots were counted and the counts were certified. That the ballots are now missing is immaterial. They existed at the time, or else they couldn't have been counted and those counts that didn't exist couldn't have been certified.

Posted by: Secretary of State at June 17, 2021 10:55 AM (Jsjd7)

245 I sometimes believe that a lot of the times our side fails in court it's because our side sucks and as a result fails in court. How hard is it to not of foreseen the SCOTUS result? Seems cut and dry to me but maybe there's more there. I'm not a lawyer just a humble country aerospace engineer.

Posted by: banana Dream at June 17, 2021 10:56 AM (+BMD8)

246 I have seen arguments going one way and another over how devastating EMP would be. If you are going to use that kind of force, just strike the rickety dam directly (not with a nuke) you'll do more damage.

EMP apparently has been greatly overstated - someone did some tests a few years ago and even modern cars with a dozen computers in them ran and drove after being hit with one.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 17, 2021 10:56 AM (ZGrMX)

247 We should have dropped a million ARs on Hong Kong for the citizens.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at June 17, 2021 10:56 AM (roXCf)

248 >>> If we cut off just our supply of pork products from CCP

Smithfield Pork is owned by the CCP.

Keep that in mind when shopping.

Posted by: fluffy at June 17, 2021 10:56 AM (UnQlg)

249 244 does Biden win if he doesn't have ballots?!?! just phony numbers?!! that's good enough?!?
Posted by: BlackOrchid at June 17, 2021 10:54 AM (j9HX3)
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Yes. It is good enough. Ballots were counted and the counts were certified. That the ballots are now missing is immaterial. They existed at the time, or else they couldn't have been counted and those counts that didn't exist couldn't have been certified.
Posted by: Secretary of State at June 17, 2021 10:55 AM (Jsjd7)

ps. Look Trump HAD to be removed. He was a dangerous threat to our free democracy!

Posted by: Fucking assholes at June 17, 2021 10:57 AM (csEWM)

250 246 I have seen arguments going one way and another over how devastating EMP would be. If you are going to use that kind of force, just strike the rickety dam directly (not with a nuke) you'll do more damage.

EMP apparently has been greatly overstated - someone did some tests a few years ago and even modern cars with a dozen computers in them ran and drove after being hit with one.
Posted by: Ian S. at June 17, 2021 10:56 AM (ZGrMX)

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So, the much maligned sequence in Spielberg's War of the Worlds is probably actually pretty accurate, huh? Random electronics could work afterwards.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 17, 2021 10:57 AM (LvTSG)

251 248 >>> If we cut off just our supply of pork products from CCP

Smithfield Pork is owned by the CCP.

Keep that in mind when shopping.
Posted by: fluffy at June 17, 2021 10:56 AM (UnQlg)

That explains the melamine aftertaste.

Posted by: Insomniac - Zhou Bai-Den Is Not My Chairman at June 17, 2021 10:57 AM (II3Gr)

252 All right. Both the final contestants on the Price is Right over bid. They acted like asshoes, and spastic asshoes at that.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin at June 17, 2021 10:58 AM (I58tH)

253 I just read somewhere the other day that only something like 5% of vehicles would be affected by an EMP.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at June 17, 2021 10:58 AM (Bmy3R)

254 If we cut off just our supply of pork products from CCP

Smithfield Pork is owned by the CCP.

Keep that in mind when shopping.
Posted by: fluffy at June 17, 2021 10:56 AM (UnQlg)

That explains the melamine aftertaste.
Posted by: Insomniac - Zhou Bai-Den Is Not My Chairman at June 17, 2021 10:57 AM (II3Gr)

Flies in the melamine we are, sometimes it blows my mind....

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, get ready now at June 17, 2021 10:58 AM (XvPQV)

255 The low spark of high-heeled boyz.

Posted by: U.S. Army at June 17, 2021 10:58 AM (TKmok)

256 I sometimes believe that a lot of the times our side fails in court it's because our side sucks and as a result fails in court.

I agree. This is such an obvious bullet-to-the-foot that Thomas had to go with the majority.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 17, 2021 10:58 AM (ZGrMX)

257 Smithfield Pork is owned by the CCP.

Keep that in mind when shopping.
Posted by: fluffy at June 17, 2021 10:56 AM (UnQlg)

Dammit!!! That is one of the kroger brands I bought.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 17, 2021 10:58 AM (csEWM)

258 How sad that the Slater Travolta movie Broken Arrow isn't accurate.

Next you'll tell me that Face Off is not possible.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at June 17, 2021 10:58 AM (roXCf)

259 I sometimes believe that a lot of the times our side fails in court it's because our side sucks and as a result fails in court. How hard is it to not of foreseen the SCOTUS result? Seems cut and dry to me but maybe there's more there. I'm not a lawyer just a humble country aerospace engineer.
Posted by: banana Dream at June 17, 2021 10:56 AM (+BMD
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The courts are stacked against conservatives. Judges will use every single trick and procedure they can find, or make up, in order to prevent conservatives from presenting a coherent case. And, if that fails, the courts find a penumbra or emanation that allows them to rule in a manner that pleases their masters.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at June 17, 2021 10:58 AM (2SdPm)

260 Flies in the melamine we are, sometimes it blows my mind....
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, get ready now at June 17, 2021 10:58 AM (XvPQV)

Keep getting stuck here all the tiiiiiiiiii-ime

Posted by: Insomniac - Zhou Bai-Den Is Not My Chairman at June 17, 2021 10:58 AM (II3Gr)

261
Do these people actually BELIEVE what they are saying?
Have they lost their minds?
Posted by: JoeF. at June 17, 2021 10:26 AM (mR6Gs)

Boot is a well paid whorew

Posted by: CN at June 17, 2021 10:59 AM (ONvIw)

262 Joe Biden: You heard me say this before, again and again. I'm going to keep saying it. What's that idea. We don't derive our rights from the government. We possess them because we're born. Period. And we yield them to a government.
====

Wrong, fuckhead. Our government was specifically founded to guarantee those rights.

The sham operation you are currently calling a "government" seeks to deprive us of those rights.

Now, kindly fuck off.

Posted by: Bicentennialguy at June 17, 2021 10:59 AM (IaUhN)

263 Smithfield Pork is owned by the CCP.

Good to know - thanks.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at June 17, 2021 10:59 AM (Bmy3R)

264 So, the much maligned sequence in Spielberg's War of the Worlds is probably actually pretty accurate, huh?

Yeah, the idea of a perfectly applied evenly effective 100% off switch to electronics is nonsense, but it makes nice fiction.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, world's most respected Fantasy Hero writer at June 17, 2021 10:59 AM (KZzsI)

265 Yes. It is good enough. Ballots were counted and the counts were certified. That the ballots are now missing is immaterial. They existed at the time, or else they couldn't have been counted and those counts that didn't exist couldn't have been certified.
Posted by: Secretary of State


Fraudulent ballots were counted fraudulently.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 17, 2021 10:59 AM (rmsWT)

266 Posted by: People's Republic of China at June 17, 2021 10:13 AM (Jsjd7)


Didn't you used to be my kid's Political Science Professor?

Posted by: creeper at June 17, 2021 11:00 AM (XxJt1)

267 Next you'll tell me that Face Off is not possible.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at June 17, 2021 10:58 AM (roXCf)
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I could never watch that movie, because I just couldn't buy into the premise.

Yet, people seemed to like it, for some odd reason.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at June 17, 2021 11:00 AM (2SdPm)

268 oops I mean Philly collar counties

I was thinking Bucks County. That's where Trump started on the day he had the huge turnout in Butler County. (and we did pretty good in Berks County, too!)

Posted by: t-bird at June 17, 2021 11:00 AM (WLHrn)

269 Fraudulent ballots were counted fraudulently.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 17, 2021 10:59 AM (rmsWT)
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That cannot be demonstrated. After all, the ballots are missing. The processes, however are trustworthy and so the certified count stands as certified.

This is a closed issue.

Posted by: Secretary of State at June 17, 2021 11:00 AM (Jsjd7)

270 Flies in the Melamine

All we are is flies in the melamine...

(violin solo)

Posted by: Guy Smiley at June 17, 2021 11:00 AM (Bmy3R)

271
"To be America's enemy is dangerous. To be her friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger.

Everything you wrote about Taiwan is true and nobody knows it better than Israel. Both are on their own. Hope the Taiwanese have their own "Samson Option". They are going to need it.

Posted by: Raspail at June 17, 2021 11:00 AM (Men5k)

272 Fraudulent ballots were counted fraudulently.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 17, 2021 10:59 AM (rmsWT)

A double negative!

Posted by: Wadsworth at June 17, 2021 11:00 AM (csEWM)

273 The sham operation you are currently calling a "government" seeks to deprive us of those rights.

Both are right.

The admonition to Biden that rights are not derived from government is true -- they are an inalienable (impossible to remove) innate part of being human -- and so is the statement that government was created in the US to protect the free expression of those rights.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, world's most respected Fantasy Hero writer at June 17, 2021 11:00 AM (KZzsI)

274 Didn't you used to be my kid's Political Science Professor?
Posted by: creeper at June 17, 2021 11:00 AM (XxJt1)
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I wear many hats.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 17, 2021 11:01 AM (Jsjd7)

275 Fraudulent ballots were counted fraudulently.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 17, 2021 10:59 AM (rmsWT)
++++
That cannot be demonstrated. After all, the ballots are missing. The processes, however are trustworthy and so the certified count stands as certified.

This is a closed issue.
Posted by: Secretary of State at June 17, 2021 11:00 AM (Jsjd7)

****

DEBUNKED!

Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at June 17, 2021 11:01 AM (flINI)

276 Yet, people seemed to like it, for some odd reason.

Its goofy and ridiculous but very entertaining and the two leads do a surprisingly effective job.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, world's most respected Fantasy Hero writer at June 17, 2021 11:02 AM (KZzsI)

277 I sometimes believe that a lot of the times our side fails in court it's because our side sucks and as a result fails in court.
Our side does indeed seem to suck, but I our side is a minority much more than people think. The senate is not 50-50, its more like 25-75 on important things. Even when gop has house majority, it doesn't have house majority, i.e., Paul Ryan.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 17, 2021 11:02 AM (r+sAi)

278 264 So, the much maligned sequence in Spielberg's War of the Worlds is probably actually pretty accurate, huh?

Yeah, the idea of a perfectly applied evenly effective 100% off switch to electronics is nonsense, but it makes nice fiction.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, world's most respected Fantasy Hero writer at June 17, 2021 10:59 AM (KZzsI)

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I always assumed it was supposed to affect electronics that were actually running a current, so anything turned off would be unaffected.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 17, 2021 11:02 AM (LvTSG)

279 Posted by: artisanal ette at June 17, 2021 10:41 AM (9VFzC)
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Howdy stranger!
Good to see you.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 17, 2021 11:03 AM (jd+Ya)

280 I'm fighting a compulsion to fly to Iceland to see the volcano. Researched tours last night. Someone talk me out of it.

Posted by: creeper at June 17, 2021 11:03 AM (XxJt1)

281 277 I sometimes believe that a lot of the times our side fails in court it's because our side sucks and as a result fails in court.
Our side does indeed seem to suck, but I our side is a minority much more than people think. The senate is not 50-50, its more like 25-75 on important things. Even when gop has house majority, it doesn't have house majority, i.e., Paul Ryan.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 17, 2021 11:02 AM (r+sAi)

The irony of course is the voting public likely swings the other way... because they aren't being bribed quite as well...

Posted by: Inogame at June 17, 2021 11:03 AM (53oGX)

282 Fraudulent ballots were counted fraudulently.

You have no standing without the evidence, which we burned.

Posted by: Justice Denied is also Justice Denied at June 17, 2021 11:03 AM (WLHrn)

283 276 Yet, people seemed to like it, for some odd reason.

Its goofy and ridiculous but very entertaining and the two leads do a surprisingly effective job.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, world's most respected Fantasy Hero writer at June 17, 2021 11:02 AM (KZzsI)

========

Face/Off is an awful movie and proof positive that John Woo is a talentless hack who should never have made movies to begin with.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 17, 2021 11:03 AM (LvTSG)

284 I have seen arguments going one way and another over how devastating EMP
would be. If you are going to use that kind of force, just strike the
rickety dam directly (not with a nuke) you'll do more damage.



EMP apparently has been greatly overstated - someone did some tests a
few years ago and even modern cars with a dozen computers in them ran
and drove after being hit with one.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 17, 2021 10:56 AM

The Soviets were experimenting with EMP Nukes back in the 60s and 70s, they gave up on it because they didn't work very well.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at June 17, 2021 11:03 AM (JUOKG)

285 I'm fighting a compulsion to fly to Iceland to see the volcano. Researched tours last night. Someone talk me out of it.
Posted by: creeper at June 17, 2021 11:03 AM (XxJt1)
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You might get stuck there if they have to ground aircraft, and their language is impossible.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 17, 2021 11:03 AM (Jsjd7)

286 The admonition to Biden that rights are not derived from government is true -- they are an inalienable (impossible to remove) innate part of being human
====

I don't dispute that. I should have been more clear.

Posted by: Bicentennialguy at June 17, 2021 11:03 AM (C/Xrg)

287 I'm fighting a compulsion to fly to Iceland to see the volcano. Researched tours last night. Someone talk me out of it.
Posted by: creeper at June 17, 2021 11:03 AM (XxJt1)
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We look forward to making your acquaintance!

Posted by: TSA at June 17, 2021 11:04 AM (2SdPm)

288 Wonder if the Taiwanese were also relieved when the mean Tweets went away?

Posted by: Notorious BFD at June 17, 2021 11:04 AM (TKmok)

289 China = Big Satan

Media = Little Satan

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 17, 2021 11:04 AM (8VdmT)

290 SCOTUS: Yep all that is correct, but your very claim that the penalty is zero is proof that there is no harm and therefore you have no standing.

I don't see how that could not be true. What's the complaint with damages? That Daddy made a bad law? That's a political problem. Shame Republicans never had a chance to repeal. O-care. Cakesniffers. But send more money.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at June 17, 2021 11:04 AM (QU5/8)

291 China = Big Satan

Media = Little Satan Owned by China
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 17, 2021 11:04 AM (8VdmT)
++++
FIFY

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 17, 2021 11:04 AM (Jsjd7)

292 I'm fighting a compulsion to fly to Iceland to see the volcano. Researched tours last night. Someone talk me out of it.
Posted by: creeper


Be a shame if Joe Mannix devoted a few posts to the 'scenery' of Iceland...

Posted by: t-bird at June 17, 2021 11:04 AM (WLHrn)

293 43 So now that Juneteenth is going to be a national holiday, how long before it's appropriated by whites the same way Cinco De Mayo and St. Patrick's day were?
____________

It's stupid to make Juneteenth a national holiday anyway, since it's the anniversary of the date (June 19, 1865) that a Union Army general signed an order proclaiming freedom for slaves in just one state: Texas.

President Lincoln had signed the Emancipation Proclamation several years earlier, outlawing slavery in all the Confederate states, including Texas. Problem was there weren't enough Union troops in TX to enforce Lincoln's order, which is why it was another few years before the Union general showed up to make it official and enforce it.

So why is the entire nation going to have a holiday celebrating the end of slavery in just one state -- TX?

Slavery in all the states didn't end until Dec., 1865, with the ratification of the 13th Amendment. (Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation only outlawed slavery in the Confederate states; it was still legal and ongoing in Union border states like DE and KY until the 13th Amendment was ratified).

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at June 17, 2021 11:04 AM (k4dH2)

294 I always assumed it was supposed to affect electronics that were actually running a current, so anything turned off would be unaffected.

As I understand it, capacitors and batteries can wreak havoc on idle and switched off electronics but to what degree is largely untested and there's always weird random factors like atmospheric conditions, a piece of tin foil acting as a cage, and just crazy random stuff.

I mean and EMP would suck because it would knock out enough infrasturcture to shut down power and the internet and blow up nearly everyone's phones, etc. But some stuff would still work. Particularly older stuff.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, world's most respected Fantasy Hero writer at June 17, 2021 11:04 AM (KZzsI)

295

*hic*

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at June 17, 2021 11:05 AM (K2SnJ)

296 I always assumed it was supposed to affect electronics that were actually running a current, so anything turned off would be unaffected.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 17, 2021 11:02 AM (LvTSG)

The way I understood the principle (and I am not an expert) is that the electromagnetic field can induce a current in unshielded wire. This can cause a power surge, which then could fry electronics or even anything that can 'burn out' like an electric motor or circuit.

Again, this is just how I understood it and I could be wrong.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 17, 2021 11:05 AM (csEWM)

297 I'm fighting a compulsion to fly to Iceland to see the volcano. Researched tours last night. Someone talk me out of it.
Posted by: creeper


No hoing unless you drag along two liberals to throw in.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 17, 2021 11:06 AM (rmsWT)

298 I don't see how that could not be true. What's the complaint with damages? That Daddy made a bad law? That's a political problem.

I think there is an unstated rule in courts that's like umpires in baseball where if you make a really bad call, you can make a good call that isn't quite kosher to make up for it. Getting it catastrophically and stupidly wrong on Obamacare in the previous two decisions could have been made up here.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, world's most respected Fantasy Hero writer at June 17, 2021 11:06 AM (KZzsI)

299 I always assumed it was supposed to affect electronics that were actually running a current, so anything turned off would be unaffected.

In the test I mentioned earlier, some cars that were running while hit did sometimes glitch, but some just kept going fine.

Something like 10 years ago there was news that police would be using EMP generators in their cars to stop chases, and then it just didn't happen. My guess is the potential liability of e.g. causing someone's throttle-by-wire to go nuts caused government lawyers to say "are you fucking kidding me?", in addition to the fact that it wouldn't always actually work.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 17, 2021 11:07 AM (ZGrMX)

300 I'm an intrepid commenter. Ye ha. Take that.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at June 17, 2021 11:07 AM (rB4m/)

301
I'm fighting a compulsion to fly to Iceland to see the volcano. Researched tours last night. Someone talk me out of it.

Posted by: creeper at June 17, 2021 11:03 AM (XxJt1)


I'm your huckleberry.
The psychotic, illegally medicated, highly intoxicated nut bag in the seat next to you on the flight with a really short fuse, just itching to do the bidding of the voices in his head.

Posted by: Archer at June 17, 2021 11:07 AM (gmo/4)

302 280 I'm fighting a compulsion to fly to Iceland to see the volcano. Researched tours last night. Someone talk me out of it.
Posted by: creeper at June 17, 2021 11:03 AM (XxJt1)

Why would I want to? Sounds like not a bad sight seeing trip to a relatively sane place where they just live next to active volcanoes and do not hate each other that much (just normally.)

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 17, 2021 11:07 AM (csEWM)

303 So why is the entire nation going to have a holiday celebrating the end of slavery in just one state -- TX?

As much as I encourage non-Texans to become Texans, non-Texans will just screw this up because the holiday really means nothing to them. It was a quaint piece of Texas history that had no culture war connotations despite the slavery connection. And now it will be turned into national Kill Whitey day by a nation of garbage people.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at June 17, 2021 11:08 AM (QU5/8)

304 We look forward to making your acquaintance!

Posted by: TSA at June 17, 2021 11:04 AM (2SdPm)

Welp, that didn't take long. I neglected that small detail. Never mind the masks and vaccination passport.But it was a nice dream.

Posted by: creeper at June 17, 2021 11:08 AM (XxJt1)

305 171 No, no, no. Totally new options called Hydroxychloroquinoa,

fixt

Posted by: Comrade Anachronda, behind the Newsom curtain at June 17, 2021 11:08 AM (sGtp+)

306 The psychotic, illegally medicated, highly intoxicated nut bag in the seat next to you on the flight with a really short fuse, just itching to do the bidding of the voices in his head.
Posted by: Archer at June 17, 2021 11:07 AM (gmo/4)

Contra: as opposed to the medicated, highly intoxicated wine mom in the supermarket who flips out when you brush her shopping cart with yours?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 17, 2021 11:09 AM (csEWM)

307 I'm fighting a compulsion to fly to Iceland to see the volcano. Researched tours last night. Someone talk me out of it.
Posted by: creeper

I grew up just 25 miles from St Helens. It was both breathtaking and terrifying in its beauty.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 17, 2021 11:09 AM (axyOa)

308 280 I'm fighting a compulsion to fly to Iceland to see the volcano. Researched tours last night. Someone talk me out of it.
Posted by: creeper at June 17, 2021 11:03 AM (XxJt1

Finding a sacrificial virgin could be a challenge.

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at June 17, 2021 11:09 AM (cSyAR)

309 291 China = Big Satan

Media = Owned by China
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 17, 2021 11:04 AM (8VdmT)
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Media = prostitute or slave?

Posted by: Braenyard at June 17, 2021 11:09 AM (jd+Ya)

310 We're sooooo excited for Juneteenth to come!!! *hic* Stay safe.

Posted by: Suburban Wine Moms at June 17, 2021 11:09 AM (TKmok)

311 305 171 No, no, no. Totally new options called Hydroxychloroquinoa,

fixt
Posted by: Comrade Anachronda, behind the Newsom curtain at June 17, 2021 11:08 AM (sGtp+)

Is it sold in that one aisle of the supermarket?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 17, 2021 11:10 AM (csEWM)

312 @296, more or less. The thing is, alot of modern electronics is shielded to some extent from EMI. That possibly mitigates any EMP effect.

Posted by: Jackal at June 17, 2021 11:10 AM (2tM+H)

313 308 280 I'm fighting a compulsion to fly to Iceland to see the volcano. Researched tours last night. Someone talk me out of it.
Posted by: creeper at June 17, 2021 11:03 AM (XxJt1
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Sounds like a cool thing to do.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 17, 2021 11:10 AM (jd+Ya)

314 Juneteenth comes down to this: everyone celebrates all these "white" holidays, we need a "black" holiday besides MLK jr day to balance things out!

The flaws with this are multitude. First off American holidays are American, not white or black. Second, Juneteenth is a goofy idea for a holiday as many have pointed out, to the point of being nearly insulting to blacks. Third, what's the quota here, do we have 12% of our holidays be specifically "black only" holidays? Half?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, world's most respected Fantasy Hero writer at June 17, 2021 11:10 AM (KZzsI)

315 I've declared July to be Juneteenth Month!

Posted by: Joe Biden at June 17, 2021 11:10 AM (WLHrn)

316 America won't attack China or even do much about a Chinese attack.

The whore doesn't slap the pimp around

Posted by: kbdabear at June 17, 2021 11:10 AM (qAR6u)

317 I'm fighting a compulsion to fly to Iceland to see the volcano. Researched tours last night. Someone talk me out of it.
Posted by: creeper at June 17, 2021 11:03 AM (XxJt1

How do you feel about large muscular men named Hrothgar?

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at June 17, 2021 11:11 AM (cSyAR)

318 222: Thanks.

One of the saddest things in the story, is that Helen, not only does not marry the unwanted fiance, but does not marry at all, despite living a long life. You are left thinking that she was longing for Jake, but you can never be sure. The success of a story like this is in the not knowing, yet having the impression that they both found their love.

Posted by: CN at June 17, 2021 11:11 AM (ONvIw)

319 Face/Off is an awful movie and proof positive that John Woo is a talentless hack who should never have made movies to begin with.

It sure as Hell was no Prometheus.

Posted by: East of Omaha at June 17, 2021 11:11 AM (z/EVC)

320 I believe China would get a severe black eye if they tried to cross the Straits of Formosa and invade Taiwan. What's stopping them if they are so powerful and confident? 81 miles and no chance of surprise. D Day would have been a lark by comparison.

Posted by: leber at June 17, 2021 11:11 AM (MxeFh)

321 >>> I'm fighting a compulsion to fly to Iceland to see the volcano. Researched tours last night. Someone talk me out of it.
Posted by: creeper at June 17, 2021 11:03 AM (XxJt1)


No, it's too perilous.

Posted by: Lancelot at June 17, 2021 11:11 AM (+BMD8)

322 That possibly mitigates any EMP effect.
Posted by: Jackal at June 17, 2021 11:10 AM (2tM+H)
--

Don't park next to a chain link fence.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 17, 2021 11:11 AM (jd+Ya)

323 Unless, of course, the grift was seen to be much more lucrative if the ChiComs were to fall.

Don't appeal to someones better nature. They may not have one. Appeal to their self interest, you will have more leverage. Robert Helene

Posted by: Paladin at June 17, 2021 11:12 AM (7hzzD)

324 Instead of Juneteenth (a minor, regional holiday), why not celebrate an "Emancipation Day", either the date Lincoln delivered the Emancipation Proclamation, or the date the 13th Amendment was ratified?

Posted by: Revenant at June 17, 2021 11:12 AM (glSEb)

325 Ask the people that want Juneteenth to be celebrated nationally and I bet the vast majority wouldn't have a clue what it is about. Ask them what Cinco De Mayo is about and 95% of them are going to wrongly claim Mexican independence. At least Saint Patrick's day they're going to understand that it's a feast day for an Irish saint.

Posted by: Buzzion at June 17, 2021 11:12 AM (G2zl5)

326 290 SCOTUS: Yep all that is correct, but your very claim that the penalty is zero is proof that there is no harm and therefore you have no standing.

I don't see how that could not be true. What's the complaint with damages? That Daddy made a bad law? That's a political problem. Shame Republicans never had a chance to repeal. O-care. Cakesniffers. But send more money.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at June 17, 2021 11:04 AM (QU5/

Worse, the actual harm is to the idea of Sovereign States. It was an Unconstitutional Federal Power grab from the outset.

But States themselves don't have standing to sue?

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 17, 2021 11:12 AM (oHd/0)

327 Is it sold in that one aisle of the supermarket?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 17, 2021 11:10 AM (csEWM)
Oh FFS, not a new "super grain"

Posted by: CN at June 17, 2021 11:13 AM (ONvIw)

328 The Carrington Event set telegraph lines on fire, that was the only sort of electronics in use back then. I think the H-bomb tests fried some stuff in Hawaii. That's how they "discovered" EMPs, I think.

Posted by: zmdavid at June 17, 2021 11:13 AM (xqRaG)

329 Third, what's the quota here, do we have 12% of our holidays be specifically "black only" holidays? Half?

They should reflect the reality that half of America is black and a quarter of it is gay. (or is it the other way around? I forget)

Posted by: TV Shows at June 17, 2021 11:13 AM (2nFxy)

330 How do you feel about large muscular men named Hrothgar?
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at June 17, 2021 11:11 AM (cSyAR)

-----------

Doesn't he raise and show dogs? Nice guy, I think.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 17, 2021 11:13 AM (kTF2Z)

331 No, it's too perilous.
Posted by: Lancelot at June 17, 2021 11:11 AM


*considers Icelandic women*

I could handle the peril.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 17, 2021 11:13 AM (m+jkK)

332
Why would I want to? Sounds like not a bad sight
seeing trip to a relatively sane place where they just live next to
active volcanoes and do not hate each other that much (just normally.)

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 17, 2021 11:07 AM (csEWM)

There was an idiot who decided to walk to the top of the volcano over still-molten-underneath lava. The volcano shot out a spurt of fresh lava and he ran for his life. What impressed me was that no one stopped him. They seemed to concede that he had a given right to lay it on the line. That's what the United States used to be.

Posted by: creeper at June 17, 2021 11:13 AM (XxJt1)

333 At least Juneteenth isn't a lame regional nothing day like Cinco de Mayo that beer companies pushed. Its like celebrating March 12th because that's the day the Bald Creek Ranch fought off a Sioux attack in Dakota territory. Was it a big deal to them at the time? Yeah. Do some people actually celebrate this, in that area? Well, the local newspaper runs an article and the Dairy Queen gives a coupon away, so sorta.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, world's most respected Fantasy Hero writer at June 17, 2021 11:13 AM (KZzsI)

334 288 Wonder if the Taiwanese were also relieved when the mean Tweets went away?

where are the taiwanese animated news folks when you need them?

Posted by: Comrade Anachronda, behind the Newsom curtain at June 17, 2021 11:13 AM (sGtp+)

335 Saint Patrick's day they're going to understand that it's a feast day for an Irish saint.
Posted by: Buzzion at June 17, 2021 11:12 AM (G2zl5)

Uh, Saint Patrick was French.

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 17, 2021 11:13 AM (oHd/0)

336 > Apple is one of the most conspicuously and obnoxiously "woke" companies in America.

Not even close.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at June 17, 2021 11:14 AM (XGAZE)

337 Dear Pixy,

The formatting is not impressive but at least my posts are making it to the screen.

Love,
creep

Posted by: creeper at June 17, 2021 11:14 AM (XxJt1)

338 Face/Off is an awful movie and proof positive that John Woo is a talentless hack who should never have made movies to begin with.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 17, 2021 11:03 AM (LvTSG)

Wow. TJM, you ignorant slut. You need some oven mitts for that hot take?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 17, 2021 11:14 AM (csEWM)

339 Nood fake news.

Posted by: flounder at June 17, 2021 11:14 AM (KnJdm)

340 proof positive that John Woo is a talentless hack who should never have made movies to begin with.

I liked a couple of his Hong Kong movies, but yeah he's not the super auteur amazing talent that Tarantino and earlier fans promoted him as.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, world's most respected Fantasy Hero writer at June 17, 2021 11:14 AM (KZzsI)

341 331 No, it's too perilous.
Posted by: Lancelot at June 17, 2021 11:11 AM

*considers Icelandic women*

I could handle the peril.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 17, 2021 11:13 AM (m+jkK)

Yes, and Naughty Naught Zoot as well!

Posted by: Sir Galahad at June 17, 2021 11:14 AM (oHd/0)

342 At least Saint Patrick's day they're going to understand that it's a feast day for an Irish saint.
Posted by: Buzzion at June 17, 2021 11:12 AM (G2zl5)

Ummmmm....Ask around next year and see how many dumb asses think Saint Patrick's Day is in celebration of his birthday.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 17, 2021 11:15 AM (8VdmT)

343 328 The Carrington Event set telegraph lines on fire, that was the only sort of electronics in use back then. I think the H-bomb tests fried some stuff in Hawaii. That's how they "discovered" EMPs, I think.
Posted by: zmdavid at June 17, 2021 11:13 AM (xqRaG)

By the same token, a Carrington size event is a LOT more powerful.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 17, 2021 11:15 AM (csEWM)

344 Yes, and Naughty Naught Zoot as well!

"A spanking! A spanking!"
--strikingly attractive nuns gathering around Galahad

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, world's most respected Fantasy Hero writer at June 17, 2021 11:16 AM (KZzsI)

345 Wouldn't Juneteenth be 7 days long? They should make it a 7 day national federal holiday. Anytime you can get fed workers not causing trouble for a week would be pretty awesome.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 17, 2021 11:16 AM (r+sAi)

346 As much as I encourage non-Texans to become Texans, non-Texans will just screw this up because the holiday really means nothing to them. It was a quaint piece of Texas history that had no culture war connotations despite the slavery connection. And now it will be turned into national Kill Whitey day by a nation of garbage people.
__________

If they wanted a national day to celebrate the end of slavery, it would have made a lot more sense to have it in December, to mark the ratification of the 13th Amendment. That made slavery illegal in every state.

But December already has Christmas and NYE so it's too inconvenient for another federal holiday, so instead they chose Juneteenth, so they can have a June holiday.

The fact that it makes no sense to have a "national" holiday celebrating the end of slavery in TX didn't matter.

Just another excuse to have a paid day off. And the fact that they can make it an official "hate whitey" day was an added bonus.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at June 17, 2021 11:16 AM (k4dH2)

347 @322, what do you mean by that? Take a good look at the ECU in your car, you'll probably find that its cased in metal specifically for EMI shielding going in and out. Most computer cases serve a similar function and even laptop cases are set up to act as a limited Faraday Cage.

Posted by: Jackal at June 17, 2021 11:16 AM (2tM+H)

348 Juneteenth? Is that like Cinco de Quatro?

Posted by: wth at June 17, 2021 11:16 AM (v0R5T)

349
Finland ground up a lot of Red Army soldiers in 1939-1940 and Vietnam gave the ChiComs a pretty bloody nose in 1979, so Taiwan I think would give a good account of itself.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 17, 2021 11:17 AM (mht8P)

350 SCOTUS will not throw out Obamacare, no matter what its flaws are.

So far, Roberts has held the court together in a march of unanimous (or nearly unanimous) opinions, likely due to the threat of court packing. How long Roberts can pull this off is anyone's guess, but so far, he's held the "conservative" majority to it. That Roberts is able to pull it off shows he has sufficient internal cache with both sides, which is frustrating, given his weasel nature.

Maybe things will change in 2022 if the GOP re-takes the Senate and the threat of court packing subsides.

Posted by: Revenant at June 17, 2021 11:17 AM (glSEb)

351 I remember liking Hard Boiled when I aw it long ago. I saw Broken Arrow, so I wasn't contractually obligated to sit through Face/Off.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at June 17, 2021 11:19 AM (QU5/8)

352 I'm fighting a compulsion to fly to Iceland to see the volcano. Researched tours last night. Someone talk me out of it.
Posted by: creeper at June 17, 2021 11:03 AM (XxJt1)


Iceland is cold. And why go look at a volcano? Make a bonfire in your back yard and look at that. Throw some gasoline in every now and then for that KABOOM experience of things shooting out and knocking you over.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 17, 2021 11:19 AM (2JVJo)

353 Finland ground up a lot of Red Army soldiers in 1939-1940 and Vietnam gave the ChiComs a pretty bloody nose in 1979, so Taiwan I think would give a good account of itself.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 17, 2021 11:17 AM (mht8P)

Or at least make such an end as to be worthy of a song or epic poem.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 17, 2021 11:19 AM (csEWM)

354 St. Urho's day, celebrated by people in the far north states. I like it, my Old Mans first name. Bring salted fish and coffee.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin at June 17, 2021 11:19 AM (I58tH)

355 349
Finland ground up a lot of Red Army soldiers in 1939-1940 and Vietnam gave the ChiComs a pretty bloody nose in 1979, so Taiwan I think would give a good account of itself.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 17, 2021 11:17 AM (mht8P)

----

Which is why I don't see them invading. The ROC doesn't need nukes for a Samson Option against the PRC, just a few cruise missiles or the human equivalent...

Posted by: Jackal at June 17, 2021 11:21 AM (2tM+H)

356 32 Congress Passes Law To Recognize Juneteenth, The Day Republicans Freed All The Democrats' Slaves

Lovely. Another day of race hatred, another day of BurnLootMurder and another day for telling me that Great-Great-Grandfather Poppins should have sat the war out instead of getting his ass shot at for a bunch of historically-illiterate gangbanging thugs.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 17, 2021 10:08 AM (2JVJo)


Glad I could help.

Posted by: Ted Cruz at June 17, 2021 11:22 AM (DTX3h)

357 Which is why I don't see them invading. The ROC doesn't need nukes for a Samson Option against the PRC, just a few cruise missiles or the human equivalent...
Posted by: Jackal

True, thats why their nukes sit waiting for 4 turns of a torque wrench. If tensions go up - maybe a test. What does China do if an isolated seamount suddenly goes bang? Who did it - Japan, RoK, Taiwan, hell Singapore, Australia? or maybe we or the Russians did it, just to fuck with their heads.

Posted by: Jean at June 17, 2021 11:38 AM (Xih1H)

358 I'm fighting a compulsion to fly to Iceland to see the volcano. Researched tours last night. Someone talk me out of it.
Posted by: creeper at June 17, 2021 11:03 AM (XxJt1)

If your a young unmarried moron - definitely go.

Look into some fishing and an overnight pony ride. Flights are cheap out of Baltimore - check a SWA flight to BWI, then transfer to IceAir or WOW. WOW has hotter stews. Lodging is expensive, check renting a sleeper van (they are minivan sized because its euro land).

Posted by: Jean at June 17, 2021 11:41 AM (Xih1H)

359 I remember when the USSR wanted to park some missiles 90 miles off our coast...

This is a plan devised by assholes who want the world blown up. In a sane world, someone suggesting something this stupid would taken out in back of the dumpsters and beaten with a 2 x 4.

Fuck.

Posted by: jwest at June 17, 2021 12:04 PM (/BlEx)

360 "A question about the art thread...When will Biden's son, whats his name,
have one of his paintings featured? I hear its pretty good art
according to Doctor Jill."
She has it all over the Whitehouse fridge door !

Posted by: Gunslinger at June 17, 2021 12:21 PM (R2gO3)

361
I had a general once who very accurately describe "smart" munitions. He said a chicken crapping in a barnyard has infinitely more brain power than our most advanced "brilliant" munition.
I doubt this has changed much..
Posted by: Diogenes at June 17, 2021 10:05 AM (axyOa)

Maybe the general was flashing back to B.F. Skinner's WWII experiments where Skinner tried to direct munitions by using an onboard pigeon to steer them to the target?
The government must have been impressed with his work, because
the Department of HHS gave him a grant to write Beyond Freedom and Dignity.
Best seller on the NYT list for multiple weeks.
Gobbled up by academia.
Who could possibly want freedom and dignity?

Posted by: waepnedmann at June 17, 2021 04:19 PM (1q8CC)

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