Gun Thread: First Aid Readiness Edition!

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Howdy y'all! How y'all are? It's Sunday evening and time for the thread between the Food Thread and the Over Night Thread! Hopefully your weekend chores are done and you can sit back, relax, and join us in our weekly discussion. That's right, for the next three hours we'll laugh, we'll cry, and otherwise tackle the most pressing questions in the world of guns 'n shooting. If you're new, we hope you will join the fun and contribute. Just make up a nic, or use your real name like I do, and jump right in. Even if you haven't been shooting in a while, or ever, we'd still love to hear from you!

I had planned to head to the farm this weekend and actually do some shooting my own bad self, but the weather had different plans. The forecasters had things right, and we had a significant amount of rain on Friday, with more predicted for Saturday, so the farm plans hit the reef. Speaking of weather forecasts, anyone else use the Dark Sky app? I have been using it for years and it's surprisingly accurate. Apple bought it a while back and will be folding the product into a future iOS release, but it's available as a stand alone product through 2022. Check it out.

Anyhoo... this ain't the dang weather app thread, is it? Why no, no it's not! Let's jump in to the exciting content below, shall we?

So last week we had a bigly excellent comment from our pal and Gun Thread contributor JTB. In fact it was so bigly excellent, I am a little embarrassed I haven't thought to write about it in the last 145 weeks. What is it? What is this bigly excellent comment you ask?

Don't want to get too far off firearms but Mrs. JTB had a question. We are putting together a first aid kit for the car which would include any needs while at the range. We don't hunt anymore.

We already have a supply of Israeli bandages, Kelly clamp forceps, and the usual supply of band aids, etc. Can anyone suggest items specific to have at the range?

Posted by: JTB at June 06, 2021 06:48 PM (7EjX1)

Well Ho-lee-shit! Why didn't I think of that?!

Many moons ago in a previous life I took a multi-day Wilderness First Aid course, which was really very good. The objective of the course was learning how to keep someone alive in the backcountry after an accident when they were two or more days away from definitive medical treatment, by using whatever improvised supplies were available. Since then, I have always kept a first aid kit with at least the basics wherever I go. When traveling, in the car, in my range bag, at the farm - everywhere. Some of the kits are small and contain just a few items to address small cuts and blisters and the like, while others are much more comprehensive. The kit I have at the farm is of the super-jumbo brain surgery trauma bag variety, because the farm's location is an hour from a hospital, and most of the farm equipment I use there is clearly designed to kill me. If anything were to happen while I was there, I am going to have to deal with it myself.

You don't have to be in a remote location to make preparedness for medical emergencies a very good idea. So let's think about Mrs. JTB's question. What are the most likely injuries to occur at the range? I suppose gunshots, shrapnel and burns rate fairly high on the list. Whether you are at a public range or at a remote location such as the farm, these are the types of injuries likely to arise around shooting activities.

As we saw in the .50 cal accident video a few weeks back, things like guns blowing up and hot metal flying around can do very nasty things. Similarly, a lapse in judgement by someone at a public range can cause a gunshot wound, too. Just go to an indoor range and look at the bullet holes in the walls, ceiling and lane dividers to see what I mean.

So I asked our pal and Gun Thread medical correspondent, Cat Ass Trophy, who is an actual Medical Doctor with a stethoscope and everything, for his thoughts on the matter. Specifically if there was a mnemonic used in the ER when dealing with gunshot wounds, and what types of emergency first aid stuff he recommended for dealing with them.

CAT tells us:

The mnemonic we used in the military is MARCH, or Massive hemorrhage, Airway, Respirations, Circulation, Hypothermia

It would be useful to have a couple of purpose made tourniquets like a CAT. Have at least 2 because a leg arterial bleed will need 2. You have to take these out and practice putting them on a buddy before you need it. I am sure there are some combat medics who made YouTube videos for proper placement and application.

Get some gauze with clotting agent to pack in deep wounds.

Gauze and pressure dressings to wrap things up and secure splints.

Chest seals

Good bandage/ trauma shears to cut off clothing/ belts.

Simple surgical tools, esp. self locking Kelley clamps.

There isn't much the layman can do about the ARC part of MARCH. YouTube a video about head placement and jaw thrust to open an airway, but if the victim has stopped breathing or their heart has stopped as a result of a recreational gunshot wound artificial respirations and chest compressions will be futile.

Hypothermia is an under appreciated killer. Even in hot climates hypothermia can set in as a result of shock and disrobement. Hypothermia causes the blood clotting mechanism to malfunction. Mylar sheets and even a couple heat packs can be useful.

A few rolls of foam covered aluminum splints would be handy for fractures and sprains.

If you really wanted to get into it, find a reputable civilian Tactical Combat Casualty Course. "TC3".

So the idea here, I suspect, is to stop the bleeding as quickly as possible and it's nice to have something other than a shop rag covered in Hoppe's 9 to do that. The items recommended aren't overly expensive, will not take up a lot of room, and could help save someone in an emergency. The idea is to act quickly and decisively. Do not overthink things. Stop the bleeding and get the victim to a doctor.

Here are links to some of the items mentioned.

- CAT Tourniquet

- Hemostatic Gauze

- Pressure Dressing or Israeli Bandage

- Chest Seal

- Trauma Shears

- Splint

- Kelly Clamp

Also mentioned are Elastic Bandages, plain sterile gauze and tape. If there is room left in the bag, use your imagination; burn cream, antiseptic wipes and Benadryl are potentially useful items to have in the outdoors.

So all that is fine and dandy, but what else should you be prepared to do in an emergency? Time is of the essence, and if available, it's important to assign other people specific tasks while you are tending the victim, such as calling 911 and meeting the responding emergency units as they arrive and escorting them to the accident scene. One thing I was taught to do by the guy who learnt me to shoot was to incorporate a first aid discussion into the morning range safety discussion. This is particularly important when you are with people who are unfamiliar with the location, or where responding medical units may have trouble finding the accident scene.

When I am at the farm, I bring out the first aid kit and review the contents with those present before the shooting starts. I suggest in an emergency they dump the whole thing out and get busy. The first thing they find when the bag is opened is a typed sheet with emergency numbers, the location of the nearest hospital, the farm entrance address as well as the latitude and longitude, gate code and instructions to report a training accident involving a firearm has occurred. This last part is important as you do not want the SWAT Team showing up thinking they have an active shooter when in reality your buddy has just shot himself in the foot.

Finally, in more remote locations, it may sometimes be a better use of time to transport the victim to medical care. You can call for help en route and let them know you are on the way. This is a decision you will have to make based on the exigent circumstances such as the time or difficulty required for responding emergency personnel to reach the site of the accident.

So something to think about. An ounce of prevention is great, but if you or your buddy is on the ground bleeding out, a pound of cure is nice to have, too.

Thoughts on anything to add?

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Here's a cute girl, with a BIG boyfriend, who has a firearms related channel called "She Equips Herself" on YouTube. She addresses a lot of topics with the lady shooter in mind, and in this episode she helps explain some of the common terms heard on the range which may be unknown to the new shooter. What a great idea!

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Flintlocks

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Owning a flintlock is something I have always been interested in, but so far have managed to overcome the urge to buy one. Here's an article about them from Guns America.

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Slo-Mo
Here are two great videos of a .44 and .357 Magnums in slow motion. Very cool.

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Heresy

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Next up our pal redc1c4 found an interesting article on the best pistols chambered in .45ACP that are not 1911s, if such a thing is possible.

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Lastly, here is proof our pal GWB likes us and wants us to be happy.

Well, .22 is coming down - the price below works out to about 12 cents a round. It's still not 3 cents a round, but it's down from 30 cents.

Here's a link to Palmetto State Armory Looks like they're sold out of the .22LR GWB mentions, but expect to see more. Lots of other calibers in stock!

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Ax Weasel

This week our pal OrangeEnt axes Weasel a question:

What do you think about gun buybacks? Some indicate they would take old guns to a buyback, or they have already. Even if they're non functional, shouldn't a good gunny give a respectful repose to an old workhorse by bashing in the head of a commie first instead of sending it to a furnace?

Welp, Weasel is most definitely not a fan of gun buybacks. I get that some people might have a "throw away" gun around to surrender if and when spicy time arrives, and though I cannot really argue with the logic of surrendering a non-functioning weapon if you think it's going to save your ass, the whole notion just seems wrong to me. A lot of great guns are turned into scrap when an old collector passes on to the Great Range in the Sky, and his or her heirs don't know what to do with their firearms. I've heard stories of people attending these things and offering cash for weapons between the parking lot and the collection point, but that may just be internet lore. On the whole, I would rather see the firearms in the hands of people who respect and appreciate them.

What do you all think?

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ATTENTION NoVaMoMe 2021!!

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The social and cultural event of the season, NoVaMoMe 2021 is on the calendar! That's right, you people have a chance to meet many of your online pals on Saturday, July 24th beginning at 1pm until dark, or such time as it gets busted up by the cops. We have an exciting new location in the Northern Virginia area which we think will be more better than before and allow extended time for visiting. Admission is $25 which includes food and soft drinks, with a cash bar. This year all of the food is prepared from the greatest non-fiction literary work in modern history, The Deplorable Gourmet. Want to find out if your recipe made the cut? Want to be one of the cool kids? Just send an email to novamome at protonmail dot cee oh emm, pass the rigorous screening process to obtain registration details, then sign up to attend! Easy-Peasy!

It promises to be a great day, including our customary raffle of AoSHQ themed gift baskets. That's right! Each of the AoSHQ weekend threads has a specially themed gift basket chock full 'o theme related gifts!

Registration closes at midnight, July 10, 2021

Win a Dream Date with Weasel!
This year, a separate raffle for the Gun Thread gift basket will be held. This fabulous prize includes an entire day of shooting and personalized one-on-one handgun & rifle coaching and instruction at Weasel Acres on a mutually agreeable date with yours truly. The lucky winner will be able to not only bring and shoot their own weapons, but also try out a variety of WeaselWeapons using WeaselAmmo! The winner will take home 150 rounds of quality 9mm ammo to practice what they have learnt, a signed photo of WeaselDog and Fun Size Joe, and a complimentary video of the WeaselAcres experience, as parting gifts.

We will end the day with dinner at a good Mexican place in nearby Appomattox. Pretty much a dream date with Weasel! The winner will be responsible for their travel to and from Central Virginia, hence the separate drawing.

Don't be a pathetic girly-man loser, register today!

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***Mail Bag***

This week's mailbag submission is from our pal fungusboy

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That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

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Comments

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1 st with a bullet!

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at June 13, 2021 06:00 PM (Agr8U)

2 First!

Posted by: redc1c4 *OTUS Zhou Bai-Din Cheated & we all know it. at June 13, 2021 06:00 PM (0kkuk)

3 (you know, bullet, because it's the Gub Thread, and .... never mind, thanks as always to Weasel and off to consume the content)

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at June 13, 2021 06:01 PM (Agr8U)

4 Safety first always, glasses and ear protection

Posted by: Skip at June 13, 2021 06:01 PM (Cxk7w)

5 Breitbart reporting $7 million worth of Aguila ammo, mostly .22 LR, destined for Texas, hijacked in Mexico.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin at June 13, 2021 06:03 PM (I58tH)

6 My Walther PPQ is chambered in .45ACP and it is a marvelous pistol.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 13, 2021 06:05 PM (Q9lwr)

7 Weasel!

Gubs!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at June 13, 2021 06:06 PM (tkyK5)

8 Yeah I use Dark Sky - got it as a free download years ago

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at June 13, 2021 06:06 PM (oEn12)

9 Nice article on black powder firearms, they are fun to shoot.

Posted by: Skip at June 13, 2021 06:08 PM (Cxk7w)

10 Our local FD holds free Stop the Bleed trainings

https://www.stopthebleed.org

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at June 13, 2021 06:09 PM (oEn12)

11 Sup, y'all? Welcome!

Posted by: Weasel at June 13, 2021 06:09 PM (MVjcR)

12 The only injuries I've had, relative to guns, are burns. Not sure how to treat them. I ice the area and, if skin opens, use some form of medicated suave, and bandage.

Posted by: Javems at June 13, 2021 06:10 PM (+kxsn)

13 Hopefully your weekend chores are done and you can sit back, relax, and join us in our weekly discussion

Cleaned both bathrooms, swept and mopped the kitchen floor, vacuumed and did some gardening. Sitting here sipping on a shot of tequila.

Posted by: Jewells45 at June 13, 2021 06:10 PM (nxdel)

14 My deal of the week....True Shot four MagPull 30 rounders with 120 rounds of PMC X-TAC to fill 'em up....159.00 just got them.

My deal is, that I have a case of prvi partizan (PPU) ammo that isn't green tipped, but are cleaner and fire cleaner. just an FYI.

Posted by: Jak Sucio at June 13, 2021 06:11 PM (jvt6t)

15 Hey gun thread! Hey Weasel!

First aid tips for gun owners are great, especially if one should find himself in the remote section of a DC park with Hillary nearby...

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 13, 2021 06:11 PM (L2ZTs)

16 How can they "buy back" something they never sold in the first place?

Since they are "no questions asked", they are also a known and convenient safe way for perps dispose of guns already used in crimes. Rinse, lather, repeat.

Jeeze Louise liberals are stupid. Or evil, take your pic.

Posted by: Common Tater at June 13, 2021 06:11 PM (Ejylv)

17 Yay gub thread! Greetings to all of you from all of me.

Posted by: Numbuh Two, 2x4 Technology Operative at June 13, 2021 06:12 PM (YWBlw)

18 Oh.....and pew pew!!

Posted by: Jak Sucio at June 13, 2021 06:12 PM (jvt6t)

19 Common Tater, I know that whenever *I* knock off a nearby 7-Eleven, I like to pick up an extra couple bucks by dropping off my piece at the nearest buyback. ;-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 13, 2021 06:12 PM (L2ZTs)

20 When I was at the Sig Academy last month one of the classes touched upon first aid and the application of tourniquets. They did say try and get the type that you can apply on yourself. And off course while we were at the range they had some of the students assigned to certain tasks in the case of an accident. And as Weasel mentioned above anyone calling 911 is to mention that it is a "training accident". If someone just said there was a shooting a different response would happen which of course could have a severe effect on how long before the person would receive professional treatment.I am looking at taking some 1st aid courses locally. Have not really done anything since my diving days. Time to take a refresher.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 13, 2021 06:13 PM (mcfjc)

21 First Aid kits in every vehicle, in the shop and whenever we're shooting. And remember... some of the shit in those kits, the creams or ointments will expire. As in get hard and useless. Ask me how I know. It wasn't pretty.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 13, 2021 06:13 PM (3H9h1)

22 Sitting here sipping on a shot of tequila.

Posted by: Jewells45 at June 13, 2021 06:10 PM


Jewells, you obviously drink a more expensive brand of tequila than I do!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at June 13, 2021 06:14 PM (tkyK5)

23 Good grief. Willowed on the food thread with my rhubarb ketchup.

*kicks rock*

Anyway, Yay! Gub thread!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 13, 2021 06:14 PM (rBtIz)

24 I've got a surgical staple gun in my kit.

Posted by: Just a side note at June 13, 2021 06:15 PM (2DOZq)

25 And remember... some of the shit in those kits, the creams or ointments will expire. As in get hard and useless. Ask me how I know. It wasn't pretty.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 13, 2021 06:13 PM (3H9h1)
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Absolutely.

Posted by: Weasel at June 13, 2021 06:15 PM (MVjcR)

26 Uncle Sam taught me lots of 1st aid. One of the mnemonics was ABC - Airway, Bleeding, uh, does anyone remember C?

Posted by: RI Red at June 13, 2021 06:16 PM (cE8rD)

27 Always remember YOU are the first responder.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 13, 2021 06:16 PM (2GjZZ)

28 Things sure have changed from using a cigarette wrapper to plug a sucking chest wound.

Posted by: dartist at June 13, 2021 06:16 PM (+ya+t)

29 Here is a YouTube clip from Ian and Karl at In RangeTV and the importance of medical training. https://youtu.be/-FhFw86Xk7o

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 13, 2021 06:17 PM (mcfjc)

30
Good grief. Willowed on the food thread with my rhubarb ketchup.

*kicks rock*

Anyway, Yay! Gub thread!


Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 13, 2021 06:14 PM (rBtIz)

Well, honestly, isn't that to be expected? You know what they say, never rub another man's rhubarb....

Posted by: OrangeEnt at June 13, 2021 06:18 PM (7bRMQ)

31 See the journalist that broke the story about the Clinton Lynch meeting has been found dead -

https://tinyurl.com/k93umcsp

Posted by: Political McGuffin at June 13, 2021 06:18 PM (80Sdw)

32 Jewells, you obviously drink a more expensive brand of tequila than I do!

My favorite is Don Julio but good Lord it's expensive. I've settled for Milagro or even worse...Jimador.

Posted by: Jewells45 at June 13, 2021 06:18 PM (nxdel)

33 26 Uncle Sam taught me lots of 1st aid. One of the mnemonics was ABC - Airway, Bleeding, uh, does anyone remember C?
Posted by: RI Red at June 13, 2021 06:16 PM (cE8rD)
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Call for help?

Posted by: Weasel at June 13, 2021 06:18 PM (MVjcR)

34 Jeeze Louise liberals are stupid. Or evil, take your pic.
Posted by: Common Tater at June 13, 2021 06:11 PM (Ejylv)


https://stoatnet.org/both.jpg

Posted by: hogmartin at June 13, 2021 06:18 PM (ghoDT)

35 60 Minutes doing a segment now on AR-15s. Sure they are going to mention the very low percentage of gun killings that are done with rifles. And the overwhelming percentage of gun killings done by urban black on black shootings.


Any time now.

Posted by: TC at June 13, 2021 06:18 PM (KuDNQ)

36 And remember... some of the shit in those kits, the creams or ointments will expire. As in get hard and useless. Ask me how I know. It wasn't pretty.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 13, 2021 06:13 PM (3H9h1)

I think the blood clotting agents also expire.

Posted by: Just a side note at June 13, 2021 06:19 PM (2DOZq)

37 Sitting here sipping on a shot of tequila.
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Hair of the dog always works!

Posted by: dartist at June 13, 2021 06:19 PM (+ya+t)

38 Damn, Weasel, you got it - Communicate!

Posted by: RI Red at June 13, 2021 06:19 PM (cE8rD)

39 I have some new powders to try and work some loads up with. The first stuff I found is a bit too slow(IMR 4955) but it was powder and available so I'll probably save it for next years project 6mm Creedmoor. Then I found some Accurate 2700, still a bit slow but very usable for my purposes. next I ran across come Accurate 2520 and Shooters World Match Rifle, now we're talking, that's my sweet spot. So I have a little load development coming up!!

Posted by: ck at June 13, 2021 06:20 PM (iBg56)

40 Yay Weasel and Gub Thread!

Dr. Trophy and those assembled -- does anyone have any experience with Celox? That's supposed to be effective for both hypothermic and heparinized blood...

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at June 13, 2021 06:20 PM (PiwSw)

41 I have a kit that is fairly complete, but I added a lot of gauze and tape to supplement what was there. I also added Vaseline bandages. They come in handy, you pervs.

Posted by: Jak Sucio at June 13, 2021 06:20 PM (jvt6t)

42 First-aid kit, sugar, iodine, maxi pads, vet wrap, scissors, and aspirin.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 13, 2021 06:20 PM (j52yr)

43 Just make up a nic, or use your real name like I do, and jump right in.

Is the THE Weasel of the Virginia Weasels?

How cool.

Posted by: Napoleon XIV at June 13, 2021 06:20 PM (AiZBA)

44 A plea for information to the Moron Horde -
I recently purchased an M1A Tanker and have had issues zeroing it in that very likely are due to ammo used. Any suggestions for an accurate round to use in the shorter barrel M1A?

Posted by: Rudytbone at June 13, 2021 06:20 PM (y9/IX)

45 Great subject for the thread today, thanks Weasel.
On gun buy backs. Seattle held several a few years ago. They paid next to nothing and yes, there were people outside the place offering real cash for some pieces.
After that, the cops discouraged the practice.

Second. That's very comprehensive list for first aid kits and practices. Having had hypothermia and having seen others, and treated them, with it, it is a killer. To my sorrow I know just how much.
The temperature range most likely to induce it is between 45 and 55 degrees. Getting wet, either by being immersed or just sweating too heavily can kick it off. TBC

Posted by: Winston, GOPe, not one dime, not one vote at June 13, 2021 06:20 PM (FtJ1S)

46 Went to the gun show with Eromero on... yesterday. Didn't get anything, though, except chiles rellenos. Those were pretty good.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 13, 2021 06:21 PM (ghoDT)

47 I think it was poster Moron Robbie who said he read that Glock has filed a patent for a carbine. I feel like a little kid on Christmas Eve.

Posted by: Just a side note at June 13, 2021 06:22 PM (2DOZq)

48 Ben, what's the sugar for?
(Maybe to make the aspirin go down easier?) :-)

Also I'd think a rudimentary first-aid kit could be made with:

- scissors
- cotton balls
- duct tape
- ibuprofen
- hand sanitizer

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 13, 2021 06:22 PM (L2ZTs)

49 Check out bear independent on YouTube and refuge medical dot com for March algorithm videos and first aid kits

Posted by: Spine at June 13, 2021 06:22 PM (SruR7)

50 I've got a surgical staple gun in my kit.

Posted by: Just a side note at June 13, 2021 06:15 PM


I got a surgical staple gun kit for my hunting dogs. They sometimes flay their skin open running through barbed wire. However, by the time they slow down enough to come back to me the skin flap is full of grass seeds, etc.

Question for the pros: On a human (or dog) injury that might benefit from stapling in the field, would that be the correct procedure if you could not properly irrigate the wound to remove the foreign matter that might cause infection?

(Could the ER subsequently remove the staples and correctly flush the wound?)

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at June 13, 2021 06:22 PM (tkyK5)

51 Yay!! It is the Gun Thread!! Best way to end my week. Thanks Weasel!!
No range trip for me this week... but I leave very early Tuesday morning on an epic road trip, where I will have a chance to experiment with some density altitude problems...
I will be accompanied by a lovely ette, who will remain nameless... unless she feels otherwise.
See you when I get back...

Posted by: jesse in dc at June 13, 2021 06:22 PM (Yp3Ga)

52 Hey Napoleon XIV:
they're coming to take you away!!

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 13, 2021 06:22 PM (L2ZTs)

53 A first aid book is good too. The BSA manual used to cover the basics if you can find an older one. The new ones probably covers stuff like tending your front hole.

Posted by: f'd at June 13, 2021 06:23 PM (Tnijr)

54 qdpsteve, how much you wanna bet that the Indy villains are neos, young republicans, or someone who is a high level Reagan advisor?

Posted by: OrangeEnt at June 13, 2021 06:23 PM (7bRMQ)

55 Gun buy backs? Unless the government is going to pay me the amount I laid out for my firearms they are not getting squat.
Besides, how can they buy back something they NEVER sold me in the first place?

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 13, 2021 06:23 PM (mcfjc)

56 Yeah, ck, load development!
I'm starting to hoard my Hodgdon 4350 and switch to
Alliant Accurate 4350. Not very satisfactory yet. But the AA4350 was free so I'm determined.

Posted by: RI Red at June 13, 2021 06:23 PM (cE8rD)

57 Baretta PX4 in 45 is a damn fine weapon, I'm torn between it and my HK 40 SW. I do have Colt 1911 WW2 vintage, but it's a play pretty.

Posted by: Too Bad Costa Rica Sucks at June 13, 2021 06:24 PM (xEIoY)

58 Take a look at the blast that comes out sideways from the revolver videos. I think Hickok45 held up a paper to show how the blast will shred the paper -- or a misplaced hand.

Posted by: JM in Florida at June 13, 2021 06:24 PM (HCeRP)

59 Orange, wouldn't surprise me. :-P

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 13, 2021 06:24 PM (L2ZTs)

60 Hey Napoleon XIV:
they're coming to take you away!!
Posted by: qdpsteve at June 13, 2021 06:22 PM (L2ZTs)


Too late! ha ha.

Posted by: Napoleon XIV at June 13, 2021 06:24 PM (AiZBA)

61 I didn't want to get into making medical recommendations in the thread, seeing as how I never finished medical school, but how would YOU make the decision to wait for help to arrive vs. transporting a victim yourself?

Posted by: Weasel at June 13, 2021 06:24 PM (MVjcR)

62 If interested... your local county probably has a "emergency responder" type class you can take. It can be useful. You're not a county or state "employee" but you might be called to assist with accidents, fires, etc. The insight into how your state, county or 'burb operates will be eye opening.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 13, 2021 06:24 PM (3H9h1)

63 Willowed in the previous thread:

I just read that the new Indiana Jones flick that's shooting now, will take place in the mid- to late-1960s. Indy versus hippies! Yay!

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 13, 2021 06:25 PM (L2ZTs)

64 Jak Sucio, check into vet wrap. It adheres to itself, can be cut in lengths to make a tourniquet, works great from anywhere you need compression.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 13, 2021 06:25 PM (j52yr)

65 My wife's a nurse, you wouldn't believe our first aid kits.

Posted by: Too Bad Costa Rica Sucks at June 13, 2021 06:25 PM (xEIoY)

66 Tourniquets hurt like hell when applied correctly

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 13, 2021 06:25 PM (hcb9g)

67 Too Bad, I'd assume she can do surgery on-site? ;-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 13, 2021 06:26 PM (L2ZTs)

68 Continued from 45
Even the strongest best prepared person can fall prey to hypothermia. Their actions may be bizarre or strange. I for example, get pissed off and belligerent.
My friend who got it, on a very easy hike BTW, near Seattle, got confused and had to be persuaded from going off in the wrong direction. I persuaded her to come with me as carrying her would've been like toting around a very hostile mountain lion.
I lost her to hypothermia a couple of years later.
It's a long and sad story.

Posted by: Winston, GOPe, not one dime, not one vote at June 13, 2021 06:26 PM (FtJ1S)

69 didn't want to get into making medical recommendations in the thread, seeing as how I never finished medical school, but how would YOU make the decision to wait for help to arrive vs. transporting a victim yourself?
Posted by: Weasel at June 13, 2021 06:24 PM (MVjcR)

My decision would rely heavily on distance.

Posted by: Just a side note at June 13, 2021 06:26 PM (2DOZq)

70 Also I'd think a rudimentary first-aid kit could be made with:

- scissors
- cotton balls
- duct tape
- ibuprofen
- hand sanitizer
Posted by: qdpsteve at June 13, 2021 06:22 PM (L2ZTs)


Good choices all. I would add anti-biotic cream.

Posted by: TC at June 13, 2021 06:26 PM (KuDNQ)

71 TC, sounds good.
I'd also add gauze, or replace the cotton with it.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 13, 2021 06:26 PM (L2ZTs)

72 Went to the gun show with Eromero on... yesterday. Didn't get anything, though, except chiles rellenos. Those were pretty good.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 13, 2021 06:21 PM


"Chiles rellenos". I have never heard of that brand of ammo.

What weapon do you use to fire that round?

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at June 13, 2021 06:27 PM (tkyK5)

73 Posted by: Weasel at June 13, 2021 06:24 PM (MVjcR)

Excellent point. If time is of the essence, which it will be, I'd transport immediately.

Posted by: Jak Sucio at June 13, 2021 06:27 PM (jvt6t)

74 Posted by: qdpsteve at June 13, 2021 06:22 PM (L2ZTs)

I heard that the sugar can be used as an IV. Yeah, I learnt that watching Markie Mark in the movie "Shooter". :-p

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 13, 2021 06:27 PM (mcfjc)

75 >That's it for this week - have you been to the range?


Yes, was at the range today. 50 rounds thru the Ruger .45, and 100 thru the H&K 9mm.

I had a gunsmith change the factory rear sight on the Ruger- now it has 3-dot sights and I am chewing the center of the target in fine style.

Then I went to DQ for a $5 vanilla shake. A good day.

Posted by: DB- just DB at June 13, 2021 06:27 PM (iTXRQ)

76 What weapon do you use to fire that round?
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at June 13, 2021 06:27 PM (tkyK5)

If they were bad....your ass...

Posted by: Jak Sucio at June 13, 2021 06:27 PM (jvt6t)

77 I added a CPR mask (Amazon link)

https://tinyurl.com/36mwvt39

And a small selection of nasopharyengeal airways (literally, up your nose with a rubber hose). Nasal airways might be little more advanced than most people would need, but they're cheap.

https://tinyurl.com/49387cd5

Also, don't forget a small assortment of flexible band aids and 2x2 gauze. You'll probably use those most often.

One other thing I added was some of these. Individual medications packs, including aspirin, ibuprofen, and anti-poop pills. These things expire, but this Amazon link is also pretty cheap.

https://tinyurl.com/ympcpfxr

Posted by: Baron Munchausen at June 13, 2021 06:27 PM (C1NyB)

78 qdpsteve, it will stop bleeding and you can pack deep wounds with an iodine sugar mixture to help prevent infection.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 13, 2021 06:28 PM (j52yr)

79 Exactly qd, and I think she looks forward to it.

Posted by: Too Bad Costa Rica Sucks at June 13, 2021 06:28 PM (xEIoY)

80 Buy extras of everything. Open it up and play with it. Know how the tourniquet works. Know how the bandage is wound, especially an Israeli. Know how the mylar sheet is folded. The time to figure it out is not during the stress of your buddy dying.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 13, 2021 06:28 PM (hcb9g)

81 Posted by: Ben Had at June 13, 2021 06:25 PM (j52yr)

Check and thanks!

Posted by: Jak Sucio at June 13, 2021 06:28 PM (jvt6t)

82 I remember learning in a health class in junior high: if you have to leave an ailing body, mark the forehead with an X in the patient's blood.

I thought at the time, hey why stop there? Just pack 'em up and mail 'em to the nearest hospital. :-P

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 13, 2021 06:28 PM (L2ZTs)

83 78 qdpsteve, it will stop bleeding and you can pack deep wounds with an iodine sugar mixture to help prevent infection.
Posted by: Ben Had at June 13, 2021 06:28 PM (j52yr)
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Or salt if you don't like the person.

Posted by: Weasel at June 13, 2021 06:28 PM (MVjcR)

84 I have a P220 (but not the Legion) in God's Own Caliber and it is one sweet firing handcannon. So much so, in fact, that the first time I took Mrs Hades to the range I ended up with an empty box and she ended up with a new gun. I had to buy her another Sig to get it back.
I also have a Glock, but not the 21. I have a Glock 36, which has a deservedly evil reputation for FTE issues. I'm not the only one that had these problems with the first round of 36's, but Glock refused to acknowledge there was a problem. Funny thing though, in the next generation the issue disappeared.
The problem, as it turned out, was a barrel with chamber tolerances that were a skosh too tight. I swapped it out with a Wolf barrel and haven't had a problem with it since.

I have not been to the range in a while. *hangs head in shame*

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at June 13, 2021 06:29 PM (CcOog)

85 Too Bad: yikes!!
Ben Had, thanks. I didn't know that.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 13, 2021 06:29 PM (L2ZTs)

86 Weasel! Horde!

Guns. So much freaking FUN!

Posted by: callsign claymore at June 13, 2021 06:29 PM (TWjh1)

87 I didn't want to get into making medical recommendations in the thread, seeing as how I never finished medical school, but how would YOU make the decision to wait for help to arrive vs. transporting a victim yourself?

Posted by: Weasel at June 13, 2021 06:24 PM


In a remote location, with no neck or spine injury, I would sure be inclined to transport the victim myself.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at June 13, 2021 06:30 PM (tkyK5)

88 I just read that the new Indiana Jones flick that's
shooting now, will take place in the mid- to late-1960s. Indy versus
hippies! Yay!

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 13, 2021 06:25 PM (L2ZTs)

Gov. Reagan, just to be clear for others....

Posted by: OrangeEnt at June 13, 2021 06:30 PM (7bRMQ)

89 Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 13, 2021 06:28 PM (hcb9g)
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Thanks again, Cat Ass!

Posted by: Weasel at June 13, 2021 06:30 PM (MVjcR)

90 didn't want to get into making medical recommendations in the thread, seeing as how I never finished medical school, but how would YOU make the decision to wait for help to arrive vs. transporting a victim yourself?
Posted by: Weasel at June 13, 2021 06:24 PM (MVjcR

Always have a plan for getting the fattest guy out from the furthest point. Even if you plan on a rescue service, you might have to walk somewhere more favorable to rescue.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 13, 2021 06:30 PM (hcb9g)

91 About 2 weeks ago there was a head on accident on the two lane... one DOA. They life-flighted the other driver and she survived with minimal injuries. Locals were on the scene about 10 minutes before county AMD. Saved her life. The other driver was a grease spot.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 13, 2021 06:31 PM (3H9h1)

92 Accidents really can happen anywhere. My last range day in virginia we were given lane one. While getting ready lane three was shooting. A bullet fragment hit my buddy right in the arm. We figure the bullet split on the angle iron holding the target and ricocheted off the back and sidewall. It stuck in his arm so i just pulled it out. He got a bandaid and i got burn cream for my fingers. The damned this was HOT!!!

Posted by: Diogenes at June 13, 2021 06:32 PM (axyOa)

93 Martini, I remember once seeing a video about motorcycle accidents.

The narrator said "if you're not wearing your shoulder and knee pads, you'll look like hamburger when they find you in the street."

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 13, 2021 06:32 PM (L2ZTs)

94
Stop the bleeding
Start the breathing

Also Weasel, thanks for the slo-mo revolver vids. So glad I have my snubby .357 Mag. I call it 'the judge'.

Posted by: DB- just DB at June 13, 2021 06:32 PM (iTXRQ)

95 "Chiles rellenos". I have never heard of that brand of ammo.



What weapon do you use to fire that round?

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at June 13, 2021 06:27 PM (tkyK5)


Ass cannons.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at June 13, 2021 06:33 PM (CcOog)

96 Or salt if you don't like the person.
Posted by: Weasel at June 13, 2021 06:28 PM (MVjcR)


And some garlic powder and cumin.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 13, 2021 06:33 PM (ghoDT)

97 Posted by: Diogenes at June 13, 2021 06:32 PM (axyOa)
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I've been hit by shrapnel at indoor ranges a bunch, but never had it stick. Wear eye protection!

Posted by: Weasel at June 13, 2021 06:33 PM (MVjcR)

98 Run your gun with a tourniquet rubber banded to the outside of the stock

Posted by: Y5 at June 13, 2021 06:33 PM (c+nr8)

99 hogmartin, mmmm! ;-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 13, 2021 06:33 PM (L2ZTs)

100 Along with the 1st aid stuff, I pack Bounty dryer sheets.
Tuck them in the back of your hat sweat band, and they keep black flies away.
True Fact.
Ask Scuba dude.

Posted by: RI Red at June 13, 2021 06:33 PM (cE8rD)

101 Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at June 13, 2021 06:29 PM (CcOog)

My nephew has the P220 Legion in .45. It is that gun that made my first handgun (hell my first firearm ever) to be a Sig. I opted for the P226 RX1 Legion in 9mm. I LOVE that gun. I especially love the trigger and the G10 grips.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 13, 2021 06:33 PM (mcfjc)

102 That's what the cool kids do

Posted by: Y5 at June 13, 2021 06:34 PM (c+nr8)

103 Tourniquets hurt like hell when applied correctly

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 13, 2021 06:25 PM


Cat, thanks for the pro tip!

Watching boy scouts do the basic training, my assumption was that "too loose" was far more likely than "too tight".

I know I would have a slight reluctance to cinching it up hard on a person in that much pain.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at June 13, 2021 06:34 PM (tkyK5)

104 Evel Knievel had so many bad accidents, he could do his own first aid. :-P

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 13, 2021 06:34 PM (L2ZTs)

105 Posted by: DB- just DB at June 13, 2021 06:32 PM (iTXRQ)
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I like those too!

Posted by: Weasel at June 13, 2021 06:34 PM (MVjcR)

106 Anyone put superglue in their first aid kits?

Posted by: OrangeEnt at June 13, 2021 06:34 PM (7bRMQ)

107
And some garlic powder and cumin.
Posted by: hogmartin at June 13, 2021 06:33 PM (ghoDT)
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Good tip!

Posted by: Weasel at June 13, 2021 06:35 PM (MVjcR)

108 Orange, not sure I'd count on superglue.
Too many weird chemicals and I'm not sure it'd work on greasy, splotchy blood-covered skin.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 13, 2021 06:35 PM (L2ZTs)

109 Couldn't hurt to include it of course.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 13, 2021 06:36 PM (L2ZTs)

110 NoVaMoMe? Oh, a new cookbook!

Posted by: Infidel at June 13, 2021 06:36 PM (E0OEG)

111 Hiya Weasel !

Posted by: JT at June 13, 2021 06:37 PM (arJlL)

112 Infidel, working title: "To Serve Morons..." ;-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 13, 2021 06:37 PM (L2ZTs)

113 My nephew has the P220 Legion in .45. It is that gun
that made my first handgun (hell my first firearm ever) to be a Sig. I
opted for the P226 RX1 Legion in 9mm. I LOVE that gun. I especially love
the trigger and the G10 grips.


Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 13, 2021 06:33 PM (mcfjc)


Mrs Hades opted for the 365XL. She liked the XL over the plain 365 because of the longer grip, the mag extension on the 365 pinched her hand. It's a pretty sweet gun.

True story, I bought my P220 out of a car trunk in a parking lot.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at June 13, 2021 06:37 PM (CcOog)

114 106 Anyone put superglue in their first aid kits?
Posted by: OrangeEnt at June 13, 2021 06:34 PM (7bRMQ)
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I thought about it but figured you would want to leave it open for the doctors later.

Posted by: Weasel at June 13, 2021 06:37 PM (MVjcR)

115 Ask Scuba dude.

Posted by: RI Red at June 13, 2021 06:33 PM (cE8rD)
Oh yeah, they kept the black flies away but not the ticks!!! I found one in my hair when I got back to the hotel that night and the next day when I got home and unloaded everything I found one on the wall where the gear was.Thank goodness these were not bloodsuckers.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 13, 2021 06:37 PM (mcfjc)

116 Gun safety story:

Auberon Waugh, the eldest son of the novelist Evelyn Waugh, was commissioned into the Royal Horse Guards and served in Cyprus.

While there he was almost killed in a machine gun accident. Annoyed by a fault in the machine gun on his armoured car which he drove frequently, he seized the end of the barrel and shook it, accidentally triggering the mechanism so that the gun fired several bullets through his chest.

As a result of his injuries, he lost his spleen, one lung, several ribs, and a finger, and suffered from pain and recurring infections for the rest of his life. While lying on the ground waiting for an ambulance, his platoon sergeant kept him alive providing vital first aid.

Don't be like this guy.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 13, 2021 06:37 PM (u82oZ)

117 She Equips Herself looks pretty well equipped already....

Posted by: OrangeEnt at June 13, 2021 06:37 PM (7bRMQ)

118 Watching The Amercanization of Emily with the Normandy invasion scene. Now there was some First Aid.

Posted by: Eromero at June 13, 2021 06:37 PM (0OP+5)

119 Howdy, JT!

Posted by: Weasel at June 13, 2021 06:37 PM (MVjcR)

120 So I asked our pal and Gun Thread medical correspondent, Cat Ass Trophy, who is an actual Medical Doctor with a stethoscope and everything,



I did not know that.

Posted by: JT at June 13, 2021 06:37 PM (arJlL)

121 Your first aide post is very good. Deciding what to pack might be combined in aspects on what to take when back packing. Such as a solar water still.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at June 13, 2021 06:38 PM (rB4m/)

122 Weasel! Horde! Good Sunday evening. I like the video by the young lady for newbies because most people new to anything, not just firearms and shooting are embarrassed to admit their ignorance of a subject or intimidated by others that know (or think they know), so they mostly just keep their mouths shut and don't ask questions. That means that they may, or may not, get the information they need to be safe. Her videos can only be a good thing.

Posted by: Old Blue at June 13, 2021 06:38 PM (VNmG1)

123 Ok, I don't get the "heresy" photo, Weasel, what's it mean?

Posted by: OrangeEnt at June 13, 2021 06:38 PM (7bRMQ)

124 I'm not going to be able to make it to the NoVaMoMe this year. It's the day before the family vacation in Myrtle Beach so we will be busy prepping for that.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at June 13, 2021 06:38 PM (CcOog)

125 Howdy NaCly!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at June 13, 2021 06:39 PM (tkyK5)

126 Very nice first aid kit overview.

Posted by: Infidel at June 13, 2021 06:39 PM (E0OEG)

127 The only thing that keep ticks away is turkeys.
But they're a bit skittish at the range.

Posted by: RI Red at June 13, 2021 06:39 PM (cE8rD)

128 Ned Beatty RIP

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 13, 2021 06:39 PM (63Dwl)

129 So we've got doctors and lawyers, any Indian Chiefs in the Horde ?

Posted by: JT at June 13, 2021 06:39 PM (arJlL)

130 Ok, I don't get the "heresy" photo...

45 ACP chambered pistol that is NOT a Colt 1911.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at June 13, 2021 06:40 PM (CcOog)

131 Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at June 13, 2021 06:38 PM (CcOog)
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Bummer.

Posted by: Weasel at June 13, 2021 06:40 PM (MVjcR)

132 Ned Beatty RIP

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 13, 2021 06:39 PM (63Dwl)


I saw that. Very sad.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at June 13, 2021 06:40 PM (CcOog)

133

I'll have to get my first aid kit together

BEFORE I GO

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 13, 2021 06:41 PM (63Dwl)

134 Bummer.

Posted by: Weasel at June 13, 2021 06:40 PM (MVjcR)


Inorite? I haz a

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at June 13, 2021 06:41 PM (CcOog)

135 While lying on the ground waiting for an ambulance, his platoon sergeant kept him alive providing vital first aid.
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That guy was wishing he was dead, rather than having his platoon sergeant patch him up while being cussed out for being a dumbass.

Posted by: SMH at June 13, 2021 06:41 PM (8WCBI)

136 I wouldn't waste time futzing with superglue on a wound. Wrap it good with a bandage.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 13, 2021 06:41 PM (hcb9g)

137 No hot iron in these 1st aid kits ?

Posted by: JT at June 13, 2021 06:42 PM (arJlL)

138 Anybody here used the trijicn mro with the circle dot?

Posted by: Y5 at June 13, 2021 06:42 PM (c+nr8)

139
Inorite? I haz a
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at June 13, 2021 06:41 PM (CcOog)
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Did I mention the part about Kate Upton being there?

Posted by: Weasel at June 13, 2021 06:42 PM (MVjcR)

140 127 The only thing that keep ticks away is turkeys.
But they're a bit skittish at the range.

Posted by: RI Red at June 13, 2021 06:39 PM


I only have about 30 turkeys at our farm/gun range.

They aren't keeping up with the ticks!

Do I have to apply the sugar from the first-aid kit to the ticks first?

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at June 13, 2021 06:42 PM (tkyK5)

141 GGE have fun at the beach

Posted by: Skip at June 13, 2021 06:42 PM (Cxk7w)

142 Check out the Burt Reynolds/Ned Beatty flick White Lightning

great 70s cinema

Posted by: DB- just DB at June 13, 2021 06:42 PM (iTXRQ)

143 That guy was wishing he was dead, rather than having
his platoon sergeant patch him up while being cussed out for being a
dumbass.

Posted by: SMH at June 13, 2021 06:41 PM (8WCBI)


That's what NCO's are for, telling JO's what dumbasses they are.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at June 13, 2021 06:42 PM (CcOog)

144 I've been hit by shrapnel at indoor ranges a bunch, but never had it stick. Wear eye protection!
Posted by: Weasel at June 13, 2021 06:33 PM (MVjcR)


Absolutely!
Do not wait to get to the shooting station to put them on. The little fragments can cut and sting but in the eye it will blind you.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 13, 2021 06:42 PM (axyOa)

145 Great thread topic, JTB and Weasel.

By the way, a little lesson about survival, even in an urban environment.

I watch a guy die, choked to death in his own blood, because, for some reason, it took over 30 minutes for paramedics to show up for the guy. The nurse who lived next door, trauma nurse, if memory serves, did all she could, but, it wasn't enough.

I don't know all the ins and outs, but, best guess, broken ribs punctured his lungs and he bled out internally.

I mention it, because, think long and hard about sitting around waiting for the paramedics, especially if there's a possibility you could have the seriously injured person at the hospital in just a few minutes. Yes, there are legal ramifications, but, it's something one needs to be aware of.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at June 13, 2021 06:43 PM (2SdPm)

146 Weasel! Horde! Lovely to see you all. For first aid I mostly think about stuff I'm likely to need on hiking trails... treating blisters, scrapes, and twisted ankles, although my usual trail mishap is falling on my ass. This is a timely topic because I'm about to set off on an epic road trip including hiking and shooting....

On Tuesday Jesse arrives in Laramie and Saturday we set off to north Idaho and Montana for hiking around Lake Pend Oreille, a full moon kayak on Lake Flathead, hiking in Glacier NP, and running a half marathon (me). We're planning to meet up with at least one 'ron along the way for eatin' and maybe shootin', and on the way back we'll stop in Cody to visit the firearms museum at the Buffalo Bill Center--including a private tour (Jesse's birthday present). There is another gun museum in Cody, too: the Dug Up Gun Museum. Look for a report on the museums and any range visits in #twoweeks!

Posted by: screaming in digital (Jesse's Girl) at June 13, 2021 06:43 PM (kTRt4)

147 I've also heard that guinea hens eat ticks.

Posted by: Weasel at June 13, 2021 06:43 PM (MVjcR)

148 If interested... your local county probably has a "emergency responder" type class you can take. It can be useful. You're not a county or state "employee" but you might be called to assist with accidents, fires, etc. The insight into how your state, county or 'burb operates will be eye opening.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 13, 2021 06:24 PM (3H9h1)


Will be eye opening when you see how incompetent and clueless most of them are.


Sure there are some diamonds in the diamonds in the rough, but for the most part there are total boobs.

Posted by: TC at June 13, 2021 06:43 PM (KuDNQ)

149 8 Oh.....and pew pew!!
Posted by: Jak Sucio at June 13, 2021 06:12 PM (jvt6t)
~~~
Not fair! You had a comment and then took mine!
Pew! Pew! Too!

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at June 13, 2021 06:43 PM (IDhUW)

150 Learn to recognize shock and don't do anything that makes a professional's job harder when an injured person gets to a hospital.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 13, 2021 06:43 PM (j52yr)

151 No hot iron in these 1st aid kits ?
Posted by: J

Just use gun powder to cauterize it

Posted by: Y5 at June 13, 2021 06:43 PM (c+nr8)

152 About transporting - not necessarily a range accident - but a stroke can happen anytime / anywhere and the soonest you can get person to the hospital the better.

Not sure about a heart attack - I'm guessing CPR is needed right there if the person's heart actually stopped...

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at June 13, 2021 06:44 PM (oEn12)

153 Pillage Idiot

How are you doing? Getting over any winter blues?

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 13, 2021 06:44 PM (u82oZ)

154 Did I mention the part about Kate Upton being there?

Posted by: Weasel at June 13, 2021 06:42 PM (MVjcR)


Just as well then, married man like myself.

*checks to see if Mrs Hades is looking* (you suck and I hate you.)

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at June 13, 2021 06:44 PM (CcOog)

155 Since they are "no questions asked", they are also a known and convenient safe way for perps dispose of guns already used in crimes. Rinse, lather, repeat.

***

It's also a useful way for law abiding people to rid themselves of the evil firearms before the gun bans take effect.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Who would have imagined that Karmella stutters like Slipfoot, too? at June 13, 2021 06:44 PM (S9l8l)

156 Not fair! You had a comment and then took mine!
Pew! Pew! Too!
Posted by: AmericanKestrel at June 13, 2021 06:43 PM (IDhUW)

My bad. I'm a rank opportunist.

Posted by: Jak Sucio at June 13, 2021 06:44 PM (jvt6t)

157 That's what NCO's are for, telling JO's what dumbasses they are.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde
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Funnily enough, I never had a problem with letting officers know that.

Posted by: SMH at June 13, 2021 06:44 PM (8WCBI)

158 No range report this weekend, as real life again got in the way of shooting. We had some tile come loose in our shower and it turned out to be a bit more of a project than just putting down some new thin set and putting the tile back in.

So it goes.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at June 13, 2021 06:44 PM (2SdPm)

159 45 ACP chambered pistol that is NOT a Colt 1911.


Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at June 13, 2021 06:40 PM (CcOog)

I see, didn't think the photo went with the story below it.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at June 13, 2021 06:44 PM (7bRMQ)

160 Posted by: screaming in digital (Jesse's Girl) at June 13, 2021 06:43 PM (kTRt4)
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Nice!! Have a great trip!

Posted by: Weasel at June 13, 2021 06:44 PM (MVjcR)

161 Ned Beatty RIP.

Wonder how many times he had to listen to asshole fans say to him "ya got a purty mouth!!" :-P

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 13, 2021 06:44 PM (L2ZTs)

162 . Look for a report on the museums and any range visits in #twoweeks!
Posted by: screaming in digital (Jesse's Girl)

Okay; I will !

Hiya Screamie !

Posted by: JT at June 13, 2021 06:45 PM (arJlL)

163 how would YOU make the decision to wait for help to arrive vs. transporting a victim yourself?

Posted by: Weasel at June 13, 2021 06:24 PM (MVjcR)



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type of injury would be *very* important in the decision matrix. also mode of transportation available, distance, communications with responders, etc.

it's one of those simple questions that only has complicated answers, and is totally situational each time.

Posted by: redc1c4 *OTUS Zhou Bai-Din Cheated & we all know it. at June 13, 2021 06:45 PM (0kkuk)

164 Re: transporting

Assuming it isn't a spinal concern, load up and drive like crazy. Call 911 and tell them where you are and where you're headed, and try to have an ambulance meet on the way. Also give description of your car so that LEOs know what's happening, and stay on the phone to keep telling 911 why you aren't pulling over if need be.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Who would have imagined that Karmella stutters like Slipfoot, too? at June 13, 2021 06:46 PM (S9l8l)

165 Do not tourniquet a head or neck wound

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at June 13, 2021 06:46 PM (oEn12)

166 a full moon kayak on Lake Flathead,
~~~
Touch the water and say hello for me...yes, sometimes I'm strangely hippy ish.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at June 13, 2021 06:46 PM (IDhUW)

167 This week was Vz.52 week. Czech raffles, the two I have one is AYM and one is SHE. The AYM stamped rifles were supposedly made for Egypt but who knows. Both are great shooters in 7.62 x 45mm which is similar to our 7.62 x 51mm. The Czechs sent a lot of these to Grenada and Nicaragua as "Socialist" aid back in the day. My AYM rifle has "PACO" carved in the stock....some commie group no doubt.

Once zeroed, I could hit steel from 150 to 500 yards with ease. Nice, simple AK type sights and a unique gas system which has a nice, mild recoil. Same trigger group as the M1 Garand, which the Czech's stole so why not.

You ain't shot dirty, corrosive ammo until you've shot Czech 7.62 x 45mm. The Love Canal of Combloc ammo.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 13, 2021 06:46 PM (R/m4+)

168 I wouldn't waste time futzing with superglue on a wound. Wrap it good with a bandage.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 13, 2021 06:41 PM (hcb9g)

Ok, I'd read somewhere the military used it for battlefield wounds.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at June 13, 2021 06:47 PM (7bRMQ)

169 Sure there are some diamonds in the diamonds in the rough, but for the most part there are total boobs.

You just mentioned that the "emergency responder" class will be full of boobs on an AOS thread.

All future classes will now be SRO.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at June 13, 2021 06:47 PM (tkyK5)

170 Do not tourniquet a head or neck wound
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at June 13, 2021 06:46 PM (oEn12)
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Oh.

Posted by: Weasel at June 13, 2021 06:47 PM (MVjcR)

171 Wonder how many times he had to listen to asshole fans say to him "ya got a purty mouth!!" :-P

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 13, 2021 06:44 PM (L2ZTs)


I would have said "Fastest chicken in the South!"

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at June 13, 2021 06:47 PM (CcOog)

172 A happy/sad day for me. Boxed up my favorite shotgun for my, soon to be, 13 yo grandson. If magic was ever associated with a firearm, it was this one. Hope it continues its spell for him. Now a level headed, straight thinking young adult. He gives me a slight hope for the country's future.

Posted by: Agitator at June 13, 2021 06:47 PM (84pre)

173 I carry a small pill box with two regular strength uncoated asprin in case somebody I care about has a heart attack or stroke.

Posted by: Heartattack at June 13, 2021 06:48 PM (xOQV7)

174 Did I mention the part about Kate Upton being there?
Posted by: Weasel at June 13, 2021 06:42 PM

I am coming this year.

That's still cruel.

I suspect that Kate Upton will not be there....

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 13, 2021 06:48 PM (rBtIz)

175 My bad. I'm a rank opportunist
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Posted by: AmericanKestrel at June 13, 2021 06:49 PM (IDhUW)

176 SMH

Well, he survived, but died early.

NCO have skills to train JO from being ignorant, stupid, and unlearned in the ways of the Service. Which they are. This is known.

My Dad, who went from Senior Chief to Ensign as an LDO, said the two years as an Ensign was a very long time for him.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 13, 2021 06:49 PM (u82oZ)

177 Do not tourniquet a head or neck wound

I would think that would be situational, too, depending on who the patient is. If it's Hillary, for example...well, y'know head wounds do bleed a lot...

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at June 13, 2021 06:50 PM (CcOog)

178 Do not tourniquet a head or neck wound
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at June 13, 2021 06:46 PM (oEn12)
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Whew!

Posted by: hillary at June 13, 2021 06:50 PM (2SdPm)

179 Shot blackpowder on Friday. When we were done with the rifles, moved on to a Pietta 1851 Navy, 36 cal. It was a hoot. I couldn't hit the broadside of a barn with it, but fun to shoot.

Posted by: EdmundBurkesShade at June 13, 2021 06:50 PM (RJCvt)

180 Forgot this: {{{SMH}}}

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 13, 2021 06:50 PM (u82oZ)

181 Learn to recognize shock and don't do anything that makes a professional's job harder when an injured person gets to a hospital.
Posted by: Ben Had at June 13, 2021 06:43 PM (j52yr)


Or you might want to use situational judgement. Sometimes the "professionals" are indifferent or simply incompetent . Then you might want to take things into your own hands.

Posted by: TC at June 13, 2021 06:50 PM (KuDNQ)

182 Had a motorcycle rider do a triple lundy down the pavement and a full frontal flop in the bar ditch right across from my arena. Called 911 and took a blanket out to cover him.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 13, 2021 06:50 PM (j52yr)

183 Hiya, JT!

AmericanKestrel, will do... and thanks again for the Flathead recommendation!

Posted by: screaming in digital (Jesse's Girl) at June 13, 2021 06:50 PM (kTRt4)

184 Well, there was a fine bit of horde mind.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at June 13, 2021 06:51 PM (2SdPm)

185 Weasel-

what do you think about ear muffs vs ear plugs at indoor shooting ranges? When I rode a motorcycle I used those orange closed-cell foam earplugs and they did a great job of cutting the noise.

Posted by: DB- just DB at June 13, 2021 06:51 PM (iTXRQ)

186 > Do not tourniquet a head or neck wound

Unless the victim is a leftist.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 13, 2021 06:51 PM (3H9h1)

187 Funnily enough, I never had a problem with letting officers know that.
Posted by: SMH at June 13, 2021 06:44 PM (8WCBI)


Sometimes i needed to hear it.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 13, 2021 06:51 PM (axyOa)

188 screaming in digital (Jesse's Girl)

Have fun and stay safe !

Posted by: JT at June 13, 2021 06:51 PM (arJlL)

189 Not sure about a heart attack - I'm guessing CPR is needed right there if the person's heart actually stopped...
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at June 13, 2021 06:44 PM (oEn12)

If you are at a range and rescue will be there within minutes. Proper CPR is exhausting.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 13, 2021 06:51 PM (hcb9g)

190 GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter

We all know how well you married this time. You did very well.

Bring her along. She may be needed in the kitchen.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 13, 2021 06:52 PM (u82oZ)

191 My Dad, who went from Senior Chief to Ensign as an LDO, said the two years as an Ensign was a very long time for him.

Why would he want to take the cut in rank?

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at June 13, 2021 06:52 PM (CcOog)

192 We're taking a break from shooting perfectly legal, 100% compliant fireworks, so I'll be in and out tonight. I've got a serious question for the technically minded, though, and especially whig if he shows up (if he does please someone direct him to this post)

I got one of the Midway M1 Carbines. IBM with an IBM barrel and Springfield stock. It's in fantastic shape and I couldn't be more thrilled. Tight everything, no rust, and only the stock looks beat up.

I intend to take it to a gunsmith to have it checked out, but, other than checking the headspace, what other safety concerns should I be cautious of prior to shooting?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Who would have imagined that Karmella stutters like Slipfoot, too? at June 13, 2021 06:52 PM (S9l8l)

193 Take a couple toilet roll insides and wrap some duct tape around them. The roll it comes on is too big to put in most PFAKs. So this is a good way to have some on hand. Use the good stuff and preferably the gorilla brand. Also don't forget paper towels. There will be a lot of blood and you need to clean that off the skin for most sticky bandages to stick. Also you need to see where the wound is and what it looks like to decide what to do.

Believe it or not a tourniquet can be a waste of space and money. Carry a few bungy cords.

Don't forget gloves, scissors, flashlight and a pen (if you do apply a tourniquet the ER needs to know when it was applied this is marked on the person or the tourniquet. Sit down and think of all the stuff that you need (you'll need to winnow it down). Do it ahead of time and have it in a go bag (waterproof) and marked so no frantic search for stuff.

Oh and if you have room carry some water to rinse the wound.

Posted by: jakee308 at June 13, 2021 06:52 PM (gHWbw)

194 187 > Do not tourniquet a head or neck wound

Unless the victim is a leftist.


Still wouldn't matter. If they are empty-headed fools, then a head wound is not serious.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at June 13, 2021 06:53 PM (tkyK5)

195 what do you think about ear muffs vs ear plugs at indoor shooting ranges? When I rode a motorcycle I used those orange closed-cell foam earplugs and they did a great job of cutting the noise.
Posted by: DB- just DB at June 13, 2021 06:51 PM (iTXRQ)
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Foam plugs are necessary under ear muffs if anyone is using a muzzle brake at an indoor range.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at June 13, 2021 06:53 PM (2SdPm)

196
what do you think about ear muffs vs ear plugs at indoor shooting ranges? When I rode a motorcycle I used those orange closed-cell foam earplugs and they did a great job of cutting the noise.
Posted by: DB- just DB at June 13, 2021 06:51 PM (iTXRQ)
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I almost always just use plugs, which work fine for me. The problem with ear muffs when shooting rifles is the cheek weld with the stock can cause the ear muff part to move off the side of your head.

Posted by: Weasel at June 13, 2021 06:53 PM (MVjcR)

197 We all know how well you married this time. You did very well.

Indeed I did. If it were only a week earlier...

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at June 13, 2021 06:53 PM (CcOog)

198 Do not tourniquet a head or neck wound

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at June 13, 2021 06:46 PM (oEn12)

That depends on who. AOC? Definitely. A Moron? Nope.

Posted by: Old Blue at June 13, 2021 06:54 PM (VNmG1)

199 HK 45 at number 6 on the list. Bah!

Posted by: Notorious BFD at June 13, 2021 06:54 PM (W4eKo)

200 >>>but how would YOU make the decision to wait for help to arrive vs. transporting a victim yourself?<
>Are you waiting for a 20 minute EMT? Or are you willing to make a 5 minute drive? How much blood are you willing to see poured out in your vehicle? It gets more complicated. It's almost always better to transport someone you care for. Or 911 for someone you don't know.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at June 13, 2021 06:54 PM (2k5ha)

201 Also some moron mentioned a youtube channel during the last discussion. Skinny Medic I believe it was.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Who would have imagined that Karmella stutters like Slipfoot, too? at June 13, 2021 06:54 PM (S9l8l)

202 Who picked those guns? I have a lovely S&W model 1917, a Brazilian contract pistol...It became the Model 25 I think... Great 45 caliber hand gun.

Posted by: jesse in dc at June 13, 2021 06:55 PM (Yp3Ga)

203 First Aid is stabilizing until you get to pros.

I had my girlfriend fall 20 feet off Mexican Hat Rock and hit her head while rolling once on the ground. Was very hard to watch. Stopped the head bleeding, checked for bone and spine issues, and a concussion.

100 miles from the nearest help. Got there in about an hour. She was fine.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 13, 2021 06:56 PM (u82oZ)

204 How do you include hot iron in the kit? Blowtorch and prybar?

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 13, 2021 06:57 PM (llXky)

205 Weasel ck giKvl

Posted by: f'd at June 13, 2021 06:57 PM (Tnijr)

206 I think foam ear plugs have a higher decibel rating than regular ear muffs.

Posted by: Just a side note at June 13, 2021 06:57 PM (2DOZq)

207 Another item to keep in mind with first aid, depending on the type of trauma is the subscript "C" with every letter of a mnemonic. The C is for C spine, which should always be kept in mind. If in doubt, immobilize. Usually not an issue with a GSW.

Posted by: EdmundBurkesShade at June 13, 2021 06:58 PM (RJCvt)

208 Ok, I'd read somewhere the military used it for battlefield wounds.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at June

Yeah, medic can glue up a wound and get a soldier back into the fight.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 13, 2021 06:58 PM (hcb9g)

209 For first aid kits, I keep betadine and a container of dry polysporin powder on hand.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 13, 2021 06:58 PM (vOGqy)

210 DB, what range do you go to? I use Shoot Indoors up in Broomfield. And I've been to Bristlecone a couple of times.

Posted by: Old Blue at June 13, 2021 06:58 PM (VNmG1)

211 So hogmartin pointed across the table at me and told the female waitperson 'I'll have the same thing he's having.' I thought to myself 'This should be interesting.' After we ate a basket of chips and 2 bowls of salsa and he started on the platter he said somelike 'This is kinda spicy.' I took that to mean 'Damn this is good.' We had a good time.

Posted by: Eromero at June 13, 2021 06:59 PM (0OP+5)

212 Posted by: f'd at June 13, 2021 06:57 PM (Tnijr)

Halibut nik, wth....

Posted by: OrangeEnt at June 13, 2021 06:59 PM (7bRMQ)

213 Since we are talking about medical emergencies - your phone probably has a "medical.id" thingy
On the iphone it's in the health app. You can set it to be available in the emergency call screen

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at June 13, 2021 06:59 PM (oEn12)

214 As much as I like the 1911, my favorite gun for 45acp is the converter cylinder in my Ruger Blackhawk 45 Colt.

That didn't keep me from getting an RIA GI 1911.

Posted by: JTB at June 13, 2021 06:59 PM (7EjX1)

215 How do you include hot iron in the kit? Blowtorch and prybar?
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 13, 2021 06:57 PM (llXky)

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Remove lead from cartridge. Pour gun powder on wound. Light powder.

I saw a guy on Swamp People use the muzzle of a revolver as a pry bar.

You got me on the blowtorch thing, though.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at June 13, 2021 06:59 PM (2SdPm)

216 Great post, weasel.
Thank you for your valuable input, Cat Ass Trophy.

Posted by: nurse ratched at June 13, 2021 06:59 PM (U2p+3)

217 How do you include hot iron in the kit? Blowtorch and prybar?
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd
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Fleams...you forgot fleams.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 13, 2021 07:00 PM (9Fwwf)

218 Amazon: How about a movie about Willem Defoe hunting a Tasmanian tiger?

Me: Yes please.

Amazon: A Tasmanian tiger is kind of like a hyena or a wild dog or something ... he's got stripes on him tho.

Me: Yeah there's a Korean movie called The Tiger, and it wasn't a lie.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at June 13, 2021 07:00 PM (ybIRR)

219 Oh and if you have room carry some water to rinse the wound.
Posted by: jakee308 at June 13, 2021 06:52 PM (gHWbw)


All the movies I've seen use booze. Seriously what is better for a wound? Water or alcohol?

Posted by: TC at June 13, 2021 07:00 PM (KuDNQ)

220 My Dad, who went from Senior Chief to Ensign as an LDO, said the two years as an Ensign was a very long time for him.


Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 13, 2021 06:49 PM (u82oZ)

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Yeah, I submitted an application for a commission when an officer vacancy in my career field opened up. Literally everyone was like "Oh man, you should absolutely go for it! Perfect time, right move for you."

So I submitted the paperwork and the next day withdrew it. Zero regrets.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 13, 2021 07:00 PM (llXky)

221 Lots of good info here, thanks.

And it wouldn't be AoS if we didn't have the wisdom of the Horde in comments like this:

Still wouldn't matter. If they are empty-headed fools, then a head wound is not serious.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at June 13, 2021 07:00 PM (IDhUW)

222 JT @ 129- My name is Prairiedog and I am a real Chief.

Posted by: Eromero at June 13, 2021 07:01 PM (0OP+5)

223 Army combat medic's bag contents.

https://m.___ur.com/gallery/EM5oU


But I'd prefer for Pug to weigh in on this subject.

Posted by: BifBewalski - at June 13, 2021 07:01 PM (VcFUs)

224 GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter

Two reasons:

1) He retired a day short of 10 years as a O-ganger. This left him retiring at 28 years as Enlisted. 2 years later his pension increased to his LCDR rank. He was deep promoted to CDR, but turned it down.

2) By doing so, he evaded the then-current policy of cutting any civil service paycheck by his retired money. That money-sucking provision in the law applied to Officers with 10 years service or more. He did very well in the DOD civil service.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 13, 2021 07:01 PM (u82oZ)

225 Since we are talking about medical emergencies - your phone probably has a "medical.id" thingy

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This is a good reminder to go into settings and set up your phone to show emergency contact info like spouse or similar whenever the phone is woken up (not unlocked). If a stranger tries to help and you don't have anything in your wallet, this could help a lot.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Who would have imagined that Karmella stutters like Slipfoot, too? at June 13, 2021 07:01 PM (S9l8l)

226 205 How do you include hot iron in the kit? Blowtorch and prybar?

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 13, 2021 06:57 PM


Let rip on a few boxes of ammo from your belt-fed M2. I am sure the barrel will be hot enough to cauterize the wound at that point!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at June 13, 2021 07:01 PM (tkyK5)

227 Hey Weasel, not to sure of the nic on 185

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 13, 2021 07:01 PM (q33Dd)

228 We are keeping notes on all the suggestions for materials and suggested uses for them in a first aid kit. Thanks to everyone for the ideas.

Posted by: JTB at June 13, 2021 07:01 PM (7EjX1)

229 The dreaded three letters....


Replace the ___ with IMG

Posted by: BifBewalski - at June 13, 2021 07:02 PM (VcFUs)

230 Still wouldn't matter. If they are empty-headed fools, then a head wound is not serious.
Posted by: AmericanKestrel at June 13, 2021 07:00 PM (IDhUW)
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Yeah, the brainstem that keeps leftist fools breathing is an awfully small target.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at June 13, 2021 07:02 PM (2SdPm)

231 Yeah, medic can glue up a wound and get a soldier back into the fight.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 13, 2021 06:58 PM (hcb9g)

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So can eating a picnic basket worth of food. I see it in console games all the time so it must be true.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 13, 2021 07:02 PM (llXky)

232 As to the .45 acp NOT a 1911, I have a P220 and a Glock 21. Of course.

Posted by: Eromero at June 13, 2021 07:02 PM (0OP+5)

233 Got it. Thanks guys.

Posted by: Weasel at June 13, 2021 07:03 PM (MVjcR)

234 Army combat medic's bag contents.
https://m.___ur.com/gallery/EM5oU
But I'd prefer for Pug to weigh in on this subject.
Posted by: BifBewalski - at June 13, 2021 07:01 PM (VcFUs)

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Have to capitalize the IMG unless you know the secret code to get it to post.

IMGur.com/gallery/EM5oU

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Who would have imagined that Karmella stutters like Slipfoot, too? at June 13, 2021 07:03 PM (S9l8l)

235 I would add saline bullets to the first aid kit. Good for flushing out wounds and eyes.
And a sharpie to mark where injuries are and when they occurred. Write on the victim's forehead.

Posted by: nurse ratched at June 13, 2021 07:03 PM (U2p+3)

236 Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd

It makes a difference if you were URL or LDO.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 13, 2021 07:03 PM (u82oZ)

237 a Glock 21. Of course.
Posted by: Eromero at June 13, 2021 07:02 PM (0OP+5)
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Yeah, Glock decided they could do a grown up caliber.

They were wrong.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at June 13, 2021 07:04 PM (2SdPm)

238 Let rip on a few boxes of ammo from your belt-fed
M2. I am sure the barrel will be hot enough to cauterize the wound at
that point!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at June 13, 2021 07:01 PM (tkyK5)

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Actually, that's a good point. We're on the range, so a quick mag dump and an exposed barrel might work.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 13, 2021 07:04 PM (llXky)

239 Posted by: nurse ratched at June 13, 2021 06:59 PM (U2p+3)
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Thank you!

Posted by: Weasel at June 13, 2021 07:04 PM (MVjcR)

240 Whoops, didn't see 229, BifBewalski . Sorry.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Who would have imagined that Karmella stutters like Slipfoot, too? at June 13, 2021 07:04 PM (S9l8l)

241 I know some people don't like the grip angle of the Glock, but I shoot the 21 extremely well.

Speaking of, you've got about a month to get an 80% non-glock before the unelected ATF passes legislation banning them.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Who would have imagined that Karmella stutters like Slipfoot, too? at June 13, 2021 07:05 PM (S9l8l)

242 We are keeping notes on all the suggestions for materials and suggested uses for them in a first aid kit. Thanks to everyone for the ideas.
Posted by: JTB at June 13, 2021 07:01 PM (7EjX1),


If it hasn't been mentioned before always have multiple ways of starting a fire.

Posted by: TC at June 13, 2021 07:05 PM (KuDNQ)

243 > I think foam ear plugs have a higher decibel rating than regular ear muffs.
Posted by: Just a side note


these Howard Leight plugs are NRR 33
my AOSafety muffs are NRR 30

Posted by: DB- just DB at June 13, 2021 07:05 PM (iTXRQ)

244 Glock 21. Of course.
Posted by: Eromero at June 13, 2021 07:02 PM (0OP+5)
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Yeah, Glock decided they could do a grown up caliber.

They were wrong.


Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at June 13, 2021 07:04 PM (2SdPm)

I like my G21 and plan on getting the G41.

Posted by: Just a side note at June 13, 2021 07:06 PM (2DOZq)

245 Moron Robbie, the gunsmith will be checking the action, overrall function of your carbine. Only safety issue I can think of for that platform is out-of-battery firing - but that's what the function check is for. Assume you'll be using commercial ammo. Not much chance of an out-of-battery mishap in general, but commercial ammo and good headspace, + normal function (main spring, and bolt) reduce the odds to close to zip.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 13, 2021 07:06 PM (OTzUX)

246 Got it. Thanks guys.

Posted by: Weasel at June 13, 2021 07:03 PM (MVjcR)

Of course you know, there's probably a movie with that title somewhere on the internet....

Posted by: OrangeEnt at June 13, 2021 07:06 PM (7bRMQ)

247 I keep an IV setup and both Ringers and Saline solutions on hand at all times.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 13, 2021 07:07 PM (j52yr)

248 "saline bullets"? Assume small capsules of saline solution?

Posted by: rhomboid at June 13, 2021 07:07 PM (OTzUX)

249 Ben Had

♩ ♪ ♫ Good evening! ♩ ♫ ♬

🥃
🥃

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 13, 2021 07:08 PM (u82oZ)

250 Actually, that's a good point. We're on the range, so a quick mag dump and an exposed barrel might work.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 13, 2021 07:04 PM


Except for all of those 3D-printed plastic "ghost" guns that the Left is terrified of, those have very poor heat transfer.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at June 13, 2021 07:08 PM (tkyK5)

251 It makes a difference if you were URL or LDO.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 13, 2021 07:03 PM (u82oZ)

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I don't speak Navy. I have a limited understanding of Coast Guard, which is surprisingly different.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 13, 2021 07:08 PM (llXky)

252 Myth busters did an ice bullets thing, think they were saline

Posted by: Y5 at June 13, 2021 07:08 PM (c+nr8)

253 Thanks rhomboid. I'll proabably eventually reload for it, but that will be a while down the line and only after I've familiarized myself with the process.

Ball .30 is fairly available locally. A bit overpriced to fit in with the times, but still not hard to find.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Who would have imagined that Karmella stutters like Slipfoot, too? at June 13, 2021 07:08 PM (S9l8l)

254 240 Whoops, didn't see 229, BifBewalski . Sorry.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Who would have imagined that Karmella stutters like Slipfoot, too? at June 13, 2021 07:04 PM (S9l8l)

NP.

I've carried the first aid kit, required by german law for vehicles, since the early 80's. The only thing I've added to it are suture kits, ibuprofen, super glue, a scaple or three, and some good needle nose pliers for fish hooks.

Posted by: BifBewalski - at June 13, 2021 07:09 PM (VcFUs)

255 Old Blue, I shoot either in Broomfield, or at Silver Bullet in Lakewood

I haven't tried Bristlecone yet because they have been particularly insistent on masks. I will not shoot with a mask on. But I think they're mask-free now.

Posted by: DB- just DB at June 13, 2021 07:09 PM (iTXRQ)

256 I have a pair of my own ear formed ear plugs from when I worked in the lumber mill in Shelton. They work very well.

Posted by: Infidel at June 13, 2021 07:09 PM (E0OEG)

257 The self-burping chest wound bandages are a really good idea, I have a friend who first showed them to me, he talked about nearly losing someone to a pneumothorax waiting for an evacuation.
the only other think I can think of are the non-stitching would closures, either the steri-strips or the brand new Band aide zip skin ones that use a ziptie sort of closure. They cost a lot.

of course you can get a surgical stapler.

Posted by: Kindltot at June 13, 2021 07:09 PM (ySM85)

258 NaCly!!!

Posted by: Ben Had at June 13, 2021 07:10 PM (j52yr)

259 Myth busters did an ice bullets thing, think they were saline

Posted by: Y5 at June 13, 2021 07:08 PM (c+nr

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Sapphire bullets of pure love.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 13, 2021 07:10 PM (llXky)

260 And Weasel how timely of you. My lead RO was asking everyone about their NRA certifications, and whether they wanted to do the course (it's offered again soon), and the topic of medical training came up. Actually I've raised it before.

My former RO buddy and childhood friend, who moved away to TX, was a Navy SEAL for decades, one of his specialties was medical. He'd spend a month a year at Bethesda Naval doing trauma and other training.

So obviously having him at the range was gold.

Some of us have been talking to club people about looking into training - and I mean the sort Cat Ass referred to - trauma, not first aid, or even advanced first aid. There are trauma kits at all the ranges.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 13, 2021 07:10 PM (OTzUX)

261 Wounds can be flushed with whatever water you have on hand.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 13, 2021 07:10 PM (hcb9g)

262 I have a pair of my own ear formed ear plugs from when I worked in the lumber mill in Shelton. They work very well.
Posted by: Infidel at June 13, 2021 07:09 PM (E0OEG)

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I had some made. I finally had to start wearing glasses, and hearing muffs just became too uncomfortable.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at June 13, 2021 07:10 PM (2SdPm)

263 "saline bullets"? Assume small capsules of saline solution?


Visene would work here I'd guess.

Posted by: TC at June 13, 2021 07:11 PM (KuDNQ)

264 247 I keep an IV setup and both Ringers and Saline solutions on hand at all times.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 13, 2021 07:07 PM


Do you perform some level of "large animal" veterinarian work on your horses?

I would assume that is the best training for humans you could get, short of actual medical training.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at June 13, 2021 07:11 PM (tkyK5)

265 I keep an IV setup and both Ringers and Saline solutions on hand at all times.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 13, 2021 07:07 PM (j52yr)

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Auto-injector loaded with bourbon. For emergency use only.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 13, 2021 07:11 PM (llXky)

266
of course you can get a surgical stapler.
Posted by: Kindltot at June 13, 2021 07:09 PM (ySM85)
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These are surprisingly inexpensive, not sure I'd use one for a gunshot though. Probably just be stuffing gauze in the hole.

Posted by: Weasel at June 13, 2021 07:11 PM (MVjcR)

267 These are surprisingly inexpensive, not sure I'd use one for a gunshot though. Probably just be stuffing gauze in the hole.
Posted by: Weasel at June 13, 2021 07:11 PM (MVjcR)
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I thought tampons were considered the way to go for a gun shot wound?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at June 13, 2021 07:12 PM (2SdPm)

268 Wounds can be flushed with whatever water you have on hand.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 13, 2021 07:10 PM (hcb9g)

Yellow water is sterile, isn't it?

Posted by: OrangeEnt at June 13, 2021 07:12 PM (7bRMQ)

269 He got some fod in his eye, thought he was going to be fine, then the fired some saline bullet s in there

Posted by: Y5 at June 13, 2021 07:12 PM (c+nr8)

270 Posted by: rhomboid at June 13, 2021 07:10 PM (OTzUX)
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Thanks to JTB for bringing it up!

Posted by: Weasel at June 13, 2021 07:13 PM (MVjcR)

271 RE: "gun buybacks," there was some guy in Florida a while back who made zip guns and turned them in for $100 each. They were functional, and cost a few bucks to put together.

Play stupid games...

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 13, 2021 07:14 PM (llXky)

272 nurse ratched

Are these saline bullets?
HUDSON ADDIPAK SODIUM CHLORIDE 0.9% UNIT DOSE SALINE - 15 ML

Very inexpensive.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 13, 2021 07:14 PM (u82oZ)

273 I thought tampons were considered the way to go for a gun shot wound?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at June 13, 2021 07:12 PM (2SdPm)
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I have them in my farm kit for stuff like chainsaw wounds.

Posted by: Weasel at June 13, 2021 07:14 PM (MVjcR)

274 Yeah I think I'm going to try the ear plugs next time. I still have a lot of them from my MC-riding times.

Posted by: DB- just DB at June 13, 2021 07:14 PM (iTXRQ)

275 252 Myth busters did an ice bullets thing, think they were saline

Posted by: Y5 at June 13, 2021 07:08 PM


According to a Huffington Post "journalist", your soft-foam ear plugs can also be used as bullets!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at June 13, 2021 07:14 PM (tkyK5)

276 There have been instances of bought back guns being used in murders after they were bought

Posted by: Y5 at June 13, 2021 07:15 PM (c+nr8)

277 Well congrats Moron Robbie - little M1s are pure fun, one of my favorite guns, period. Nothing special about reloading for them - gotta use lube when resizing, and keep them trimmed below a certain length, that's about it. And not much experimenting required - I stick to the original load for which it was designed, and the original components: 110g FMJ over 14-15g of H110.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 13, 2021 07:15 PM (OTzUX)

278 >Wounds can be flushed with whatever water you have on hand.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 13, 2021 07:10 PM (hcb9g)

Yellow water is sterile, isn't it?
Posted by: OrangeEnt



hey- the guy just got shot- now you're gonna piss on him?

Posted by: DB- just DB at June 13, 2021 07:15 PM (iTXRQ)

279 Pillage Idiot, I do 99.9% of all my own work and keep a large pharmacy.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 13, 2021 07:16 PM (j52yr)

280 There is a 10 round limit for saline mags in some states

Posted by: Y5 at June 13, 2021 07:16 PM (c+nr8)

281 Weasel,
Great job choosing the videos in the post. Good, basic information, well presented, that gives people a starting point. Certainly more than was available when I started shooting decades ago.

BTW, if a flintlock looses the flint or the frizzen is too worn to spark, it can still be used as a half-assed matchlock. Pretty much fantasy stuff but it could be done. And it does demonstrate the versatility of a flintlock. (As long as you aren't in a hurry to get off that second shot.)

Posted by: JTB at June 13, 2021 07:16 PM (7EjX1)

282 I have them in my farm kit for stuff like chainsaw wounds.
Posted by: Weasel at June 13, 2021 07:14 PM (MVjcR)
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More like maxi pads

Posted by: Weasel at June 13, 2021 07:16 PM (MVjcR)

283 These are surprisingly inexpensive, not sure I'd use one for a gunshot though. Probably just be stuffing gauze in the hole.

That is what the kellys are good for. Grab the end of the gauze and push it in

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 13, 2021 07:17 PM (hcb9g)

284 Hello, Horde! Late to the fray, again. Just off the phone with Giggles, who spend the weekend riding her motorcycle with friends all over Montana. Anywho, got my reservations in for the NoVaMoMe, and am set to go to NoVa for a gunshow next week... and milled another AR receiver, because I can. Now, off to see what Weasel has put into this action packed episode. BBL

McGyver, over

Posted by: McGyver at June 13, 2021 07:17 PM (Iw46i)

285 of course you can get a surgical stapler.
Posted by: Kindltot at June 13, 2021 07:09 PM (ySM85)

Got my head split open once. I was in the ER when the Doc came in, drunk as Hogan's goat, and he wanted to staple me up. I asked could he stitch it instead?

He did a wonderful job and seemed to enjoy the old skool stitch and clip while we chatted.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 13, 2021 07:17 PM (R/m4+)

286 9 He got some fod in his eye, thought he was going to be fine, then the fired some saline bullet s in there
Posted by: Y5 at June 13, 2021 07:1
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Followed that up with a tsp of salt bc everyone knows that you must take what you read on the internet with a grain.of salt...don't know why he's ailling now...should be all better.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at June 13, 2021 07:17 PM (IDhUW)

287 Weasel I believe, back in the mists of time (i.e. about 6-8 years ago) I saw video from AZ (Tucson? Phoenix? one of those two) of people pre-buying gunz from people in line at a "gun buy-back". Some good deals were had. When you have to just offer more than the city is giving you in gift cards, "price discovery" becomes simplified.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 13, 2021 07:17 PM (OTzUX)

288 279 Pillage Idiot, I do 99.9% of all my own work and keep a large pharmacy.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 13, 2021 07:16 PM


I was pretty sure that was the case!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at June 13, 2021 07:17 PM (tkyK5)

289 35 60 Minutes doing a segment now on AR-15s. Sure they are going to mention the very low percentage of gun killings that are done with rifles. And the overwhelming percentage of gun killings done by urban black on black shootings.



60 Minutes turned from an investigative reporting unit into one of the finest and most effective Globalist propaganda machines today.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 13, 2021 07:18 PM (sy5kK)

290 Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd

As an Unrestricted Line officer, you are competing with Academy and ROTC sourced officers.

As an Limited Duty Officer, you are an acknowledged expert in your field, and are essentially a reinforcing rod to the general URL community and the Service.

Senior officers treat you different. I had many discussion on this with a retired CAPT LDO aircraft maintainer.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 13, 2021 07:18 PM (u82oZ)

291 Well I am in South Kakkalaki once again. Mama blaster is having a little medical procedure so I hopped in the car for an 8 hour drive.

Not doing any shooting here this time. I hope, anyway.

This time a week ago I was in Michigan. Both times driving with firearms. Hit me today that a 2A app would be good for traveling. Put in that you are carrying and what ccw you have and route you around places that don't work. Some geofencing around localities that don't match up with their states etc. Does such a thing exist?

Posted by: blaster at June 13, 2021 07:19 PM (WoyGL)

292 I don't speak Navy. I have a limited understanding of Coast Guard, which is surprisingly different.

URL - UnRestricted Line, usually academy grads, qualified to command units and ships.
LDO - Limited Duty Officer, usually mavericks, not qualified to command units and ships.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at June 13, 2021 07:19 PM (CcOog)

293 Senior officers treat you different. I had many discussion on this with a retired CAPT LDO aircraft maintainer.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 13, 2021 07:18 PM (u82oZ)

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The more you learn! *Rainbow graphic deploys*

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 13, 2021 07:20 PM (llXky)

294 279 I do 99.9% of all my own work and keep a large pharmacy.
Posted by: Ben Had

I am NOT getting on that kitchen table. Just saying.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 13, 2021 07:20 PM (u82oZ)

295 > 60 Minutes doing a segment now on AR-15s.


do they know that 'AR' is a brand name, NOT shorthand for 'assault rifle' ?

Posted by: DB- just DB at June 13, 2021 07:20 PM (iTXRQ)

296 Well congrats Moron Robbie - little M1s are pure fun, one of my favorite guns, period...

***

Thanks. I'm reluctant to gush about it too much because I don't want to come across as bragging, but I've wanted one of the WWII ones for a couple of decades. I couldn't afford them back when CMP still had them, so I was fairly determined when these came up for sale.

I think I was one of the oddballs that DIDN'T want the bayonet lug simply because - from what I'd read - those were mostly post-war, and I don't think I could've gotten much luckier with the one I got. The only thing that could've made it better would've been a Milton Bradley stock, but I'm completely fine with the Springfield.

I can hardly wait to shoot it.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Who would have imagined that Karmella stutters like Slipfoot, too? at June 13, 2021 07:20 PM (S9l8l)

297 hey- the guy just got shot- now you're gonna piss on him?

Posted by: DB- just DB at June 13, 2021 07:15 PM (iTXRQ)

Well, give'em a choice. My piss or sepsis....

Posted by: OrangeEnt at June 13, 2021 07:21 PM (7bRMQ)

298 60 Minutes turned from an investigative reporting
unit into one of the finest and most effective Globalist propaganda
machines today.



Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 13, 2021 07:18 PM (sy5kK)

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Serious question: After all their blown stories, does anyone outside of the incestuous DC-NYC media circle care what's on that show?

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 13, 2021 07:21 PM (llXky)

299 Hit me today that a 2A app would be good for traveling. Put in that you are carrying and what ccw you have and route you around places that don't work. Some geofencing around localities that don't match up with their states etc. Does such a thing exist?

Posted by: blaster at June 13, 2021 07:19 PM


Would you want Google/Apple etc. to know your location AND that you were armed?

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at June 13, 2021 07:21 PM (tkyK5)

300 I always double up (plugs, plus muffs) when shooting indoors. Which I don't do much now, let the membership lapse. Can shoot at the outdoor range for free, since I'm an RO there. Only thing is it's 45 minutes away.

I use plugs (the orange plastic kind with the baffles) for outdoor handgun competition, muffs for rifle and shotgun matches.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 13, 2021 07:21 PM (OTzUX)

301
I can hardly wait to shoot it.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Who would have imagined that Karmella stutters like Slipfoot, too? at June 13, 2021 07:20 PM (S9l8l)
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They're a lot of fun!

Posted by: Weasel at June 13, 2021 07:21 PM (MVjcR)

302 a few things that I keep in first aid kits, not mentioned above:
- betadine or generic equivalent; povidone iodine 10% ... a powerful antiseptic, very necessary on open wounds that are going to be otherwise untreated for hours or days.
- Sudecon wipes, a specific for pepper spray decontamination.
- a CPR shield of some kind; I prefer the MDI microshield, it's what all the fire and emt people seem to use, but anything will probably work in a pinch ... I've carried one for decades and never used it yet ... (no not the same one all that time).
- most of my heavier kits contain a 2 to 8 oz bottle of 95% grain alcohol (Everclear or equivalent), for application both external and internal as required.

probably more, but it's a start anyway ...

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at June 13, 2021 07:21 PM (wHoql)

303 This thread is timely Mr. Weasel. People I work for issued each officer a basic kit and when one of them strapped it to his thigh they told him 'put the damn thing in your vehicle.' I have mine at home because I'm never more than 25 minutes away from a fabulous ER.

Posted by: Eromero at June 13, 2021 07:22 PM (0OP+5)

304 Blaster,

Prayers for Mama Blaster on her procedure!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at June 13, 2021 07:23 PM (tkyK5)

305 This time a week ago I was in Michigan. Both times driving with firearms. Hit me today that a 2A app would be good for traveling. Put in that you are carrying and what ccw you have and route you around places that don't work. Some geofencing around localities that don't match up with their states etc. Does such a thing exist?
Posted by: blaster at June 13, 2021 07:19 PM (WoyGL)

***

That's a good idea if it doesn't. Hmm, Hogmartin isn't too busy these days, is he? /

When we went to Pennsylvania and up into rural NY a few years ago I remember we went a couple of hours out of our way to pass through the little 2 mile or so gap of Maryland that is over near WV, entirely to minimize the risk of being pulled over and getting to meet local judges and attorneys.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Who would have imagined that Karmella stutters like Slipfoot, too? at June 13, 2021 07:23 PM (S9l8l)

306 Posted by: Eromero at June 13, 2021 07:22 PM (0OP+5)
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Howdy, amigo! And thanks!

Posted by: Weasel at June 13, 2021 07:23 PM (MVjcR)

307 This time a week ago I was in Michigan. Both times
driving with firearms. Hit me today that a 2A app would be good for
traveling. Put in that you are carrying and what ccw you have and route
you around places that don't work. Some geofencing around localities
that don't match up with their states etc. Does such a thing exist?

Posted by: blaster at June 13, 2021 07:19 PM (WoyGL)

I have to unload and stow when going through IllNoise, but everywhere else along my line of travel between here and SW Iowa recognizes my NC carry permit.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at June 13, 2021 07:23 PM (CcOog)

308 Some geofencing around localities that don't match up with their states etc. Does such a thing exist?

Posted by: blaster at June 13, 2021 07:19 PM (WoyGL)

I would imagine. IINM I think Denver is going to try to restrict CCW holders in its jurisdictions.

Posted by: Old Blue at June 13, 2021 07:23 PM (VNmG1)

309 Weasel @ 282- Depends.

Posted by: Eromero at June 13, 2021 07:23 PM (0OP+5)

310 I've owned the Glock 21 and 21SF. Both are good pistols. The 21SF has a slimmer handle that's more user friendly than the 21's.

Posted by: callsign claymore at June 13, 2021 07:23 PM (TWjh1)

311 Med kits. Yep. We have a pretty comprehensive one at Rancho Plan "B" and both Giggles and I have one in our bikes saddle bag, tailored for road type accidents. I prolly oughta see what else to add to the mini one in my back back, tho as a ScoutMaster, I think I did pretty well. Might need to replace old items, tho.

McGyver, over

Posted by: McGyver at June 13, 2021 07:24 PM (Iw46i)

312 Moron Robbie, no carbine expert/geek, but most of them were re-arsenaled during the war at some point, and in any case most ended up with the Type 3 barrel band (with the lug), I think. My AutoOrdnance reproduction has the "early war" features - flip sights, push-button safety, Type 1 barrel band (no lug). My '43 Quality Hardware of course has all the re-arsenaled trimmings.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 13, 2021 07:25 PM (OTzUX)

313 Pillage Idiot, I do 99.9% of all my own work and keep a large kitchen table and pharmacy.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 13, 2021 07:16 PM


Edited for completeness.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 13, 2021 07:25 PM (DMUuz)

314 Thanks, Weasel!

Bye Horde!

P. Idiot is out.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at June 13, 2021 07:25 PM (tkyK5)

315 Cat Ass, what did you use to practice suturing?

Posted by: Ben Had at June 13, 2021 07:25 PM (j52yr)

316 what is better for a wound? Water or alcohol?
Posted by: TC at June 13, 2021 07:00 PM (KuDNQ)

Depends. If the water is clean, I'd go with that cause alcohol will sting and the patient might object. If Alcohol is it sterile? Or Booze. Booze has some contamination thing with rinsing to remember is you might be adding bacteria which can get a head start. Clean Preferably sterile/distilled water would be the best or use some saline solution that is for med use. Gunshot wounds are messy. Cloth, dirt and stuff besides the bullet itself are not sterile and have driven any bacteria into the wound where it'll be hard to get at. So you have to hope it's not something that's resistant. Which is why some of the clear booze might be okay.

Posted by: jakee308 at June 13, 2021 07:26 PM (gHWbw)

317 Posted by: Pillage Idiot at June 13, 2021 07:25 PM (tkyK5)
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Night, bro!

Posted by: Weasel at June 13, 2021 07:26 PM (MVjcR)

318 @304 thank you prayers help! I know it!

It's supposed to be minor. But she's 80 and had a couple of cardiac arrests already so everything that should be minor gets a little iffy.

She said at the interview for the procedure they asked any heart attacks? No but 2 cardiac arrests. Any strokes? Well three but none since then....

Posted by: blaster at June 13, 2021 07:26 PM (WoyGL)

319 Serious question: After all their blown stories, does anyone outside of the incestuous DC-NYC media circle care what's on that show?
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 13, 2021 07:21 PM (llXky)

Ummmmmm....No.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 13, 2021 07:26 PM (R/m4+)

320 I just read that the new Indiana Jones flick that's shooting now, will take place in the mid- to late-1960s. Indy versus hippies! Yay!
Posted by: qdpsteve at June 13, 2021 06:25 PM (L2ZTs)

More likely the John Birch Society.

Posted by: Agitator at June 13, 2021 07:27 PM (84pre)

321 315 Cat Ass, what did you use to practice suturing?
Posted by: Ben Had at June 13, 2021 07:25 PM (j52yr)
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You can get suture practice kits with everything you need, including a pad of skin-like rubber stuff with different wound patterns.

Posted by: Weasel at June 13, 2021 07:27 PM (MVjcR)

322 Running off for a bit. See ya on the ONT maybe. Later roonz and roonettez!

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at June 13, 2021 07:28 PM (CcOog)

323 I'm reluctant to gush about it too much
because I don't want to come across as bragging, but I've wanted one of
the WWII ones for a couple of decades.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Who would have imagined that Karmella stutters like Slipfoot, too? at June 13, 2021 07:20 PM (S9l8l)

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Always cool when you can get something you've wanted for a while. Getting my Mauser C96 and making it operational was stressful but also a lot of fun. I take it out as a special treat so I can enjoy it more. I hope you get the same level of enjoyment.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 13, 2021 07:28 PM (llXky)

324 most of them were re-arsenaled during the war at some point, and in any case most ended up with the Type 3 barrel band (with the lug), I think

**

Yeah, that was my understanding, too, and it makes sense. That's part of why I was so surprised that it still had the (or at least "a") IBM barrel, too.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Who would have imagined that Karmella stutters like Slipfoot, too? at June 13, 2021 07:28 PM (S9l8l)

325 Cat Ass, what did you use to practice suturing?
Posted by: Ben Had at June 13, 2021 07:25 PM (j52yr)

Banana peels. Hot dogs. There are probably setups you can buy on the interwebs.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 13, 2021 07:28 PM (hcb9g)

326 Phuk Hu, G7!

Posted by: China at June 13, 2021 07:29 PM (vGJY7)

327 I would imagine. IINM I think Denver is going to try to restrict CCW holders in its jurisdictions.
Posted by: Old Blue at June 13, 2021 07:23 PM (VNmG1)


I know localities stricter than the states exist. Plus I live in DC area and sometimes you can get stuck going into the district. An app like that that says get off at this exit now would be helpful.

Posted by: blaster at June 13, 2021 07:29 PM (WoyGL)

328 I've owned the Glock 21 and 21SF. Both are good pistols.

Had a G21 for quite some time and it was 100% dependable. Personally, I had little to no difficulty in becoming proficient with it. Felt good enough about it that I gifted it to my nephew as his first handgun. He still has it and loves it.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at June 13, 2021 07:31 PM (W4eKo)

329 blaster

We should have a large number of those apps in many cars heading, IDK, to Google HQ. From all areas of the compass.

Then turn the app off and put the phone in a Faraday cage. Drive away. Fun for all.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 13, 2021 07:31 PM (u82oZ)

330 Off duty Seattle cop struck and killed while assisting at an accident scene. Someone involved in the original accident jumped in his car and drove away. Well, hey, my car is totalled, and he clearly doesn't need his car anymore!

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 13, 2021 07:31 PM (hcb9g)

331 >I would imagine. IINM I think Denver is going to try to restrict CCW holders in its jurisdictions.


one more reason to get out of Denver

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhbV2yZidrE

Posted by: DB- just DB at June 13, 2021 07:31 PM (iTXRQ)

332 Cat Ass, my vet had me practice on bananas also.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 13, 2021 07:32 PM (j52yr)

333 Also working on a truck for Rancho Blaster. Used truck prices are crazy. You used to be able to get a driveable pickup for $2500. Not anymore.

I have my eye on a Rumble Bee though. I guess it will need a gun rack.

Posted by: blaster at June 13, 2021 07:32 PM (WoyGL)

334 Cat Ass Trophy @ 325- Were the hotdogs you sutured boiled? Asking for a friend.

Posted by: Eromero at June 13, 2021 07:32 PM (0OP+5)

335 Cat Ass Trophy

Lawlessness continues to increase.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 13, 2021 07:32 PM (u82oZ)

336 I have my eye on a Rumble Bee though. I guess it will need a gun rack.
Posted by: blaster at June 13, 2021 07:32 PM (WoyGL)
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20K for a used late model truck with 90K miles on it is a good deal.

It's insane.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at June 13, 2021 07:34 PM (2SdPm)

337 Gun Buybacks. Best story ever.
About 10 or so years ago in King County (Seattle, but county government instead of City of Seattle council critters) these "wise" people got a hair up their backside and thought a Gun Buyback would help counter crime, so they voted some tax money for said buyback. The local press loudly proclaimed it as a great idea. So it was held on county land and the bounty was $100, up to $300 for some types. Any gun working or not.
WA state is a "shall carry", but open carry only without a CCW permit. The big day arrived, and cars lined up the side street into the lot entrance. Nearly 100 cars showed up.
A few dozen pro-gun folks lined the sidewalks and started very friendly talk with the folks in their cars. They would offer cash for any gun that was of value, and often, a lot more than $300. And IIRC there were some really nice guns, a Win 1894 30-30, a WWII Lugar, a couple of SW 629's, and other good stuff.
It was an amazing scene, with actual bidding wars going on from the gunsters on the sidewalks raising their bids to those in their cars, waiting to get their bounty.
1/2

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 13, 2021 07:34 PM (sy5kK)

338 330 Off duty Seattle cop struck and killed while assisting at an accident scene. Someone involved in the original accident jumped in his car and drove away. Well, hey, my car is totalled, and he clearly doesn't need his car anymore!
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 13, 2021 07:31 PM (hcb9g)

All involved deserve the M-60 version of Rambo. Indiscriminate and angry.

Posted by: Jak Sucio at June 13, 2021 07:34 PM (jvt6t)

339 The latest rash of mass shootings are being committed by people who might tend to reinforce stereotypes and are clearly are not atrump voters, so at least the Dems are keeping their gun control jets cooled.

Posted by: blaster at June 13, 2021 07:34 PM (WoyGL)

340 Also working on a truck for Rancho Blaster. Used truck prices are crazy. You used to be able to get a driveable pickup for $2500. Not anymore.

I have my eye on a Rumble Bee though. I guess it will need a gun rack.
Posted by: blaster at June 13, 2021 07:32 PM (WoyGL)

***

I'm interested in whether or not the Ford Maverick and Hyundai... Something can bring back actual small pickup trucks to market. I know they'll be unibody, but if they can get something going that can tow 5000 lbs for $25K or so, that will be great for the market where it's hard to buy much for under $35.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Who would have imagined that Karmella stutters like Slipfoot, too? at June 13, 2021 07:34 PM (S9l8l)

341 I have the S&W Shield .45 2.0.

If your a woman who wants a .45 I would recommend. The grip is smaller than any other mid sized hand gun I own.

Posted by: Just a side note at June 13, 2021 07:35 PM (2DOZq)

342 First Aid kit? I thought hats what duct tape and napkins from your favorite fast food restaurant laying under your seat in the vehicle are for?

Posted by: JROD at June 13, 2021 07:35 PM (0jZnq)

343 These are surprisingly inexpensive, not sure I'd use one for a gunshot though. Probably just be stuffing gauze in the hole.
Posted by: Weasel at June 13, 2021 07:11 PM (MVjcR)


No those get trauma bandages and gauze, but there are other injuries like slices and pressure cuts.
Dad fell and hit his head on the wood stove. On the way to the ER I told him he was lucky I hadn't practiced with my new surgical stapler because I figured I should first try it out on someone I didn't like.

By the way, KY jelly is good for getting clotted blood out of hair.

Posted by: Kindltot at June 13, 2021 07:36 PM (ySM85)

344 I'm reluctant to gush about it too much because I don't want to come across as bragging, but I've wanted one of the WWII ones for a couple of decades.

Please, gush away. I was going to ask if anybody got one of the Midway carbines. I waffled back and forth on even trying but I've spent a sh*tload of $$ on the house move the last month or so and it just didn't seem like the responsible adult thing to do. Relatedly, I saw a guy at an antique mall today with a Std Prod M1 carbine for sale. The lack of a price tag on it should have told me all I needed to know but I asked anyway. He wanted $2200. I managed to not say something insulting and walked away.

Posted by: Oddbob at June 13, 2021 07:36 PM (nfrXX)

345 Go to car gurus and just enter f150 as your search criteria. The price filter slider tops out at 120k or so.

FOR AN F150

Posted by: blaster at June 13, 2021 07:36 PM (WoyGL)

346 Weasel,

Thanks for a timely topic. I am going to add some things to my first aid kit before my trip.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 13, 2021 07:37 PM (u82oZ)

347 So many good first aid suggestions. I might not have ever considered a permanent marker or means to start a fire.

That last could influence the choice of a knife: carbon steel, not stainless, a flat hard angle on the back of the blade to use a ferro rod.

Fire making when conditions suck is a good skill to have and the materials don't have to take up much space.

Posted by: JTB at June 13, 2021 07:37 PM (7EjX1)

348 So anyway, when hogmartin and I went to the gubshow yesterday I found 10MM for .88 per round out the door, or about even with online if in stock and taking into account freight etc. Got 200 rds. Bought a Glock cleaning mat for A.H. Lloyd too.

Posted by: Eromero at June 13, 2021 07:38 PM (0OP+5)

349 My 2004 F150 hasn't turned 100K miles yet. Still has years left to go.
I live about a mile from work.

Posted by: DB- just DB at June 13, 2021 07:38 PM (iTXRQ)

350 So yes, I did get to the range, and it was amusing to me that when I got back I saw that Bloke on the Range did a feature two days ago about vintage handguns - some of the very same types that I shot today!

You can go watch it, but the short version is that these effete Swiss and Brits have no understanding or appreciation for classic firearms. They whined the whole time about the grips, handling, and of course their standard of comparison was slow-fire at 25 yards, which is exactly what 1900s pocket pistols are *not* designed to do.

Oh, and for the record, the C96 is awesome to shoot one-handed. Also hits like a diesel locomotive, which is why it stayed in production for 41 years.

Basically, I hate the presumption that vintage guns are stupid, designed by idiots and used by fools.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 13, 2021 07:38 PM (llXky)

351 yo use what you got when the time comes, JROD !

non-1911 45's ?
my Taurus PT145 - what's not to love about a compact double-stack .45, amirite ?

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at June 13, 2021 07:39 PM (wHoql)

352 Notorious BFD, that Glock will run forever.

Super gift.

Posted by: callsign claymore at June 13, 2021 07:39 PM (TWjh1)

353 Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 13, 2021 07:37 PM (u82oZ)
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My pleasure, Salty! Glad you found it useful!

Posted by: Weasel at June 13, 2021 07:39 PM (MVjcR)

354 Have a great night, everyone. Still chores to do.

May you all be blessed with zero social distance and no unwanted babies.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 13, 2021 07:39 PM (u82oZ)

355 @349 that could probably pull $15k

Posted by: blaster at June 13, 2021 07:40 PM (WoyGL)

356 Screaming in Digital - Check Glacier NPs website, you need reservations now. And, yes, as a Montana Resident that pisses me off no end.

McGyver, over

Posted by: McGyver at June 13, 2021 07:40 PM (Iw46i)

357 Bought a Glock cleaning mat for A.H. Lloyd too.


Posted by: Eromero at June 13, 2021 07:38 PM (0OP+5)

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Great! I'm almost out of targets!

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 13, 2021 07:40 PM (llXky)

358 Mrs Old Blue is ringing the dinner bell. Have a good evening all!

Posted by: Old Blue at June 13, 2021 07:41 PM (VNmG1)

359 >@349 that could probably pull $15k
Posted by: blaster

it's mechanically sound, but has some cosmetic issues

Posted by: DB- just DB at June 13, 2021 07:42 PM (iTXRQ)

360 OK Blue

Posted by: DB- just DB at June 13, 2021 07:42 PM (iTXRQ)

361 330 Off duty Seattle cop struck and killed while assisting at an accident scene. Someone involved in the original accident jumped in his car and drove away. Well, hey, my car is totalled, and he clearly doesn't need his car anymore! Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 13, 2021 07:31 PM (hcb9g)

Sometimes our squeamishness about cruel and unusual punishment does not serve us well. This asshole would be a good candidate for the rack.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at June 13, 2021 07:43 PM (Agr8U)

362 Oh, and what are the cartels going to do with all that .22 ammo? That's not their preferred round.

Posted by: Old Blue at June 13, 2021 07:43 PM (VNmG1)

363 147 I've also heard that guinea hens eat ticks.
Posted by: Weasel at June 13, 2021 06:43 PM (MVjcR)

Possums are the tick eating champions.

Posted by: clutch at June 13, 2021 07:43 PM (9UmRs)

364 Posted by: Old Blue at June 13, 2021 07:41 PM (VNmG1)
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Nite, OB!

Posted by: Weasel at June 13, 2021 07:43 PM (MVjcR)

365 My friend brought his 1903 chrome with Pearl handle Colt .380 last week to our tennis match for me to look at I looked for the mag release for about 45 seconds until I saw it was on the bottom of the handle / grip. It's a beautiful gun . He has only one mag though. The mag is probably worth $800 .

Posted by: Just a side note at June 13, 2021 07:44 PM (2DOZq)

366 Would you want Google/Apple etc. to know your location AND that you were armed?
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at June 13, 2021 07:21 PM (tkyK5)


Valid point. Another feature: one button push-to-canoe

Posted by: blaster at June 13, 2021 07:44 PM (WoyGL)

367 362 Oh, and what are the cartels going to do with all that .22 ammo? That's not their preferred round.
Posted by: Old Blue at June 13, 2021 07:43 PM (VNmG1)

You just never mind.....

Posted by: The Cartels at June 13, 2021 07:44 PM (jvt6t)

368 So anyway, when hogmartin and I went to the gubshow
yesterday I found 10MM for .88 per round out the door, or about even
with online if in stock and taking into account freight etc.


Posted by: Eromero at June 13, 2021 07:38 PM (0OP+5)

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I should add that gun shows remain a great place to find affordable ammo, particularly if you are looking for less common rounds. The shortage has people scrounging around, digging out Grandpa's shoe box etc.

Last two gun shows I attended I found very affordable ammo and it was cash and carry - no shipping.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 13, 2021 07:44 PM (llXky)

369 Old Blue @ 362- When you're shooting a guy, especially if his hands are tied behind his back and he's kneeling, in the back of the head a .22 lr works just fine.

Posted by: Eromero at June 13, 2021 07:45 PM (0OP+5)

370 Yellow water is sterile, isn't it?

Posted by: OrangeEnt


One of the old guys I used to work with had a story about working in SE Asia and one of his buddies putting his foot through a rotted loading dock, ripping up his shin. One the locals immediately pissed on his bleeding leg and he had to be restrained from trying to cold-cock him.

Posted by: Kindltot at June 13, 2021 07:45 PM (ySM85)

371 "a shop rag covered in Hoppe's 9"


Ummm, how is Hoppe's for clotting?

Posted by: GWB at June 13, 2021 07:46 PM (aDTsF)

372 2/2
The county officials were helpless to stop it, as no laws were broken and most local gunners know how to follow all gun laws.
Of course, the gunsters had gotten there earlier, and turned in their old, rusty, non-working guns first, and got paid at least $100 for each piece of useless junk.
Many in cars were at first shy or intimidated with the dozens of gunsters. But the gunsters were smart. Joking, laughing, making friends with the car folks. Any good gun got a bid over $100, often well over $300, so it made no sense to wait in line to get less money.
Someone lost count at the sidewalk purchases, but was well over 50 guns. There were only a few that refused to sell good guns to the sidewalk, 'cuz "principles" or something.
Finally the tax money ran out, the county had a couple of pickups worth of mostly rusty, non-working guns, and the gunsters had dozens of new guns in their safes for a fraction of their real worth. And cash for their crap.
The county council later changed laws to make it tough to repeat the scene again. And no buybacks since in King County.
So good things DO happen in Seattle, too.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 13, 2021 07:46 PM (sy5kK)

373 What a great thread, Weasel! I'm going to try to learn something.

Posted by: Ladyl at June 13, 2021 07:48 PM (TdMsT)

374 Posted by: Ladyl at June 13, 2021 07:48 PM (TdMsT)
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Thank you!!!

Posted by: Weasel at June 13, 2021 07:48 PM (MVjcR)

375 No range report, sadly. But some reloading reports.

In my quest to use up my 700X powder, I've loaded some test loads in 38 special and will do some in 45ACP. I've done a few in both calibers before, but this time will scrub the guns out first (remove all visible lead) and check to see if these loads leave much lead. And did some 700X in 45 Colt, again, give it a second chance (chose HP38 after last comparison).

I used 700X in my 380ACP, works fine. About to load a few hundred of those, starting possibly tonight.

Also loaded some 9mikemike with BE-86 - have part of a small bottle I want to use up. Using FMJ this time (plated, last time).

Then it will be the quest for good uses for the Solo 1000.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 13, 2021 07:48 PM (OTzUX)

376 One of the old guys I used to work with had a story
about working in SE Asia and one of his buddies putting his foot through
a rotted loading dock, ripping up his shin. One the locals immediately
pissed on his bleeding leg and he had to be restrained from trying to
cold-cock him.




Posted by: Kindltot at June 13, 2021 07:45 PM (ySM85)

See, that's what I mean, if it's sterile, it should clean out the wound. Waiting for CAT to answer, but I guess he's gone.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at June 13, 2021 07:48 PM (7bRMQ)

377 373 What a great thread, Weasel! I'm going to try to learn something. Posted by: Ladyl at June 13, 2021 07:48 PM (TdMsT)

Evening, {{{Ladyl}}}! The gub thread is a must-read each week for me, even if I don't have much to contribute as a relative newbie.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at June 13, 2021 07:49 PM (Agr8U)

378 McGyver, yep, I know (and I'm also pissed)... I think it's only for the entrances with access to Going to the Sun Road. (Although it is a federal government website, so it seems designed primarily to obfuscate...) And it is between 6 am and 5 pm so I'm wondering, what if I show up at 5:30 am? I don't wanna, but if that's what I have to do ... I will. I'll try to get the ticket when it's time, hoping my crack monkey refresh skills will come in handy.

Posted by: screaming in digital (Jesse's Girl) at June 13, 2021 07:50 PM (kTRt4)

379 Sterile or not, pissing on a guy without asking is just rude.

Posted by: blaster at June 13, 2021 07:50 PM (WoyGL)

380 Breaking news:

AOC has introduced a bill for the Feds to search the bottoms of every last one of America's lakes, rivers, creeks and streams, to search for missing firearms.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 13, 2021 07:50 PM (L2ZTs)

381 LCD I think I recall reading about that King County buy-back on the web, at a gun forum, when it happened.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 13, 2021 07:50 PM (OTzUX)

382 Oldest son came to visit on Friday. He walks in with something that looked suspiciously like a rifle case. He unzips it and pulls out an AR-15 he built. Waiting for second son to come home and we'll hit the range.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 13, 2021 07:51 PM (kTF2Z)

383
Well, honestly, isn't that to be expected? You know what they say, never rub another man's rhubarb....
Posted by: OrangeEnt at June 13, 2021 06:18 PM (7bRMQ)

HEY!
That kind of talk is not appropriate here. Save it for the ONT.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 13, 2021 07:51 PM (sy5kK)

384 "Looks like they're sold out of the .22LR GWB mentions, but expect to see more."
Not if the cartels keep stealing it. -weary sigh-

Posted by: GWB at June 13, 2021 07:51 PM (aDTsF)

385 Posted by: jakee308 at June 13, 2021 07:26 PM (gHWbw)


Thanks for that answer.

Posted by: TC at June 13, 2021 07:51 PM (KuDNQ)

386 Anyone here buy an M1 Carbine from Midway last Tuesday? I checked the sales page around 8:30 CT and most of the small makers (IBM, RockOla) were gone. Everything was gone when I checked again later in the morning, or maybe it was early afternoon. I'm not surprised they were all bought in less than half-a-day.

Posted by: Gref at June 13, 2021 07:51 PM (AMIL/)

387 ok, I'm out ... here's hoping none of us ever need these carefully prepared first-aid kits, and thanks as always, Weasel !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at June 13, 2021 07:52 PM (wHoql)

388 Sterile or not, pissing on a guy without asking is just rude.

Posted by: blaster at June 13, 2021 07:50 PM (WoyGL)

Well, that's true if the recipient doesn't understand the reason for doing it. But in DC I'm sure it happens all the time, so they're used to it.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at June 13, 2021 07:52 PM (7bRMQ)

389 I have company so will read this later, but wanted to give you a quick thank you for the gun thread.

Posted by: Pod Hamp at June 13, 2021 07:53 PM (RBFmA)

390 Thanks again Weasel! I have to bail out early, but this is always a great place to learn things.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 13, 2021 07:53 PM (llXky)

391 Gref, Moron Robbie got an IBM from Midway, see his comments above, about the 260s onwards.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 13, 2021 07:53 PM (OTzUX)

392 Posted by: sock_rat_eez at June 13, 2021 07:52 PM (wHoql)
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My pleasure. Nite, sock rat!

Posted by: Weasel at June 13, 2021 07:54 PM (MVjcR)

393 389 I have company so will read this later, but wanted to give you a quick thank you for the gun thread.
Posted by: Pod Hamp at June 13, 2021 07:53 PM (RBFmA)

Pull out your firearms and discuss the do's and dont's of home defense with your guests. It will be cracking!

Posted by: The Cartels at June 13, 2021 07:55 PM (jvt6t)

394 Thanks for the thread, Weasel. Back later to check.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at June 13, 2021 07:55 PM (7bRMQ)

395 On that .44mag video:

Isn't fire coming out of the gap between barrel and cylinder considered a *bad* thing? (Much rather have the second one where the fireball exits the muzzle.) How often does that happen and how does it affect shooting from your coat pocket?

Also, it was interesting to see the pistol appear to rotate in the shooter's hand in the 125x-slower shots. I wonder how much a pistol rotates in the hand before it actually makes the hand move with a good grip in normal shooting?

Posted by: GWB at June 13, 2021 07:55 PM (aDTsF)

396 Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 13, 2021 07:53 PM (llXky)
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Thank you!

Posted by: Weasel at June 13, 2021 07:55 PM (MVjcR)

397 Anyone here buy an M1 Carbine from Midway last Tuesday? I checked the sales page around 8:30 CT and most of the small makers (IBM, RockOla) were gone. Everything was gone when I checked again later in the morning, or maybe it was early afternoon. I'm not surprised they were all bought in less than half-a-day.
Posted by: Gref at June 13, 2021 07:51 PM (AMIL/)

***

I did. Posts 192, 245, 277, and 296, maybe some others. I got very lucky and am happy to finally have one after a couple of decades of wanting but not being able to afford it.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Who would have imagined that Karmella stutters like Slipfoot, too? at June 13, 2021 07:56 PM (S9l8l)

398 For $0.43 per round (including IL tax and shipping) I have 1000 rounds 7.62x139 FMJ non-corrosive arriving tomorrow, from SGAmmo. I don't have an AK for those rounds yet, might get one, liked one in plum I saw for under a grand .. but in any case, ammo seems like a decent "investment". imo prices will come down ... BUT, like First Aid kits, the investment is more a "Just in Case" thing.

cheers to the shooters ... always a good Sunday night thread for building preparedness. My best First Aid is a cell phone, to call in the helicopter if needed.

Posted by: illiniwek at June 13, 2021 07:56 PM (Cus5s)

399 We had a good time.
Posted by: Eromero at June 13, 2021 06:59 PM (0OP+5)


Yep. Seemed like you knew half the people at the gun show too.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 13, 2021 07:56 PM (ghoDT)

400 by 39, not 139

Posted by: illiniwek at June 13, 2021 07:57 PM (Cus5s)

401 Posted by: OrangeEnt at June 13, 2021 07:55 PM (7bRMQ)
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My pleasure. Thanks for being here!

Posted by: Weasel at June 13, 2021 07:57 PM (MVjcR)

402 off murder sock

Posted by: Jak Sucio at June 13, 2021 07:57 PM (jvt6t)

403 As far as buy back programs, they are put forward by the same imbeciles who think posting gun free zone signs improve safety. If they feel so strongly, they should use their own money, not the tax payers.

But I love the stories about gun people getting some bargains from folks on the way to the turn in site.

Posted by: JTB at June 13, 2021 07:57 PM (7EjX1)

404 Best friend busted her head open somehow sleeping in the guest room one night. I tried to sew it up after I cleaned it up, but I just couldn't do it. I guess that is why I'm not in the medical profession.

Posted by: Infidel at June 13, 2021 07:58 PM (E0OEG)

405 Serious question: After all their blown stories, does anyone outside of the incestuous DC-NYC media circle care what's on that show?
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 13, 2021 07:21 PM (llXky)


I think it is still the most watched so called news-investigative show. Albeit with a very old demo.

Posted by: TC at June 13, 2021 07:58 PM (KuDNQ)

406 My weekly check - for you fine gun nutz of the gun thread - of the reloading component landscape reveals:

powder - still pretty much not there, online; some does come into major vendors and sell instantly, from what I read on gun forums

primers - more available now, recognizable brands, commonly used types (small pistol, small rifle), at prices 5 times normal (let's pick February 2020 as "normal"), and up.

Hodgon's website says they sell some powder directly now, but I've never seen any in stock yet on my frequent visits to the site for reloading data.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 13, 2021 07:58 PM (OTzUX)

407 Posted by: blaster at June 13, 2021 07:36 PM (WoyGL)

You should have stopped in and visited me in our Great Lake state. I have an F150 that could be for sale at the right price, too...

Posted by: clutch at June 13, 2021 07:59 PM (9UmRs)

408 Posted by: Pod Hamp at June 13, 2021 07:53 PM (RBFmA)
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Thanks Pod Hamp. Happy to do it.

Posted by: Weasel at June 13, 2021 07:59 PM (MVjcR)

409 Well, time to wander.

Later!

Thanks again, Weasel!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at June 13, 2021 08:00 PM (2SdPm)

410 There was a gun show nearby this weekend but I missed it

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at June 13, 2021 08:00 PM (oEn12)

411 Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at June 13, 2021 08:00 PM (2SdPm)
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Good nite, amigo! My pleasure.

Posted by: Weasel at June 13, 2021 08:01 PM (MVjcR)

412 So we've got doctors and lawyers, any Indian Chiefs in the Horde ?
Posted by: JT at June 13, 2021 06:39 PM


I don't remember any senior enlisted from the Indian Navy.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 13, 2021 08:01 PM (DMUuz)

413
On Tuesday Jesse arrives in Laramie and Saturday we set off to north Idaho and Montana for hiking around Lake Pend Oreille, a full moon kayak on Lake Flathead, hiking in Glacier NP, and running a half marathon (me). We're planning to meet up with at least one 'ron along the way for eatin' and maybe shootin', and on the way back we'll stop in Cody to visit the firearms museum at the Buffalo Bill Center--including a private tour (Jesse's birthday present). There is another gun museum in Cody, too: the Dug Up Gun Museum. Look for a report on the museums and any range visits in #twoweeks!
Posted by: screaming in digital (Jesse's Girl) at June 13, 2021 06:43 PM (kTRt4)

What an outstanding trip! Guessing more than once they will both think "how can we make this permanent and not go back to DC"?

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 13, 2021 08:01 PM (sy5kK)

414 Isn't fire coming out of the gap between barrel and cylinder considered a *bad* thing? (Much rather have the second one where the fireball exits the muzzle.) How often does that happen and how does it affect shooting from your coat pocket?

IIRC, there have been a couple of revolver designs where the cylinder shifted forward or something to more-or-less seal the gap but in all "normal" revolvers it happens every time, on every shot. If you have to shoot from your pocket, you're probably going to get singed a little but I assume you've got bigger things to worry about.

Posted by: Oddbob at June 13, 2021 08:02 PM (nfrXX)

415
You should have stopped in and visited me in our Great Lake state. I have an F150 that could be for sale at the right price, too...
Posted by: clutch at June 13, 2021 07:59 PM (9UmRs)
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I lived in that area, MN, for twenty years.

So, is your truck in the "some rust" state, which means the paint over the fender wells is is starting to bubble, with maybe a few holes, or in the "vehicle is still solid" state, which means only the passenger side has holes through the floorboard?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at June 13, 2021 08:03 PM (2SdPm)

416 Oddbob I only know of the Nagant revolver that closes the cylinder gap to fire, but I'm sure there were/are others.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 13, 2021 08:03 PM (OTzUX)

417 Well, I'm out. ThanX! to all and to Weasel for the hard work corralling this group. 'nite, all

McGyver, out

Posted by: McGyver at June 13, 2021 08:03 PM (Iw46i)

418 Okay, now I'm out.

Later!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at June 13, 2021 08:03 PM (2SdPm)

419 Posted by: McGyver at June 13, 2021 08:03 PM (Iw46i)
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Happy to do it. Goodnight, pal!

Posted by: Weasel at June 13, 2021 08:04 PM (MVjcR)

420 410 There was a gun show nearby this weekend but I missed it
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at June 13, 2021 08:00 PM (oEn12)


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I'll bet you could smell all the loopholes from a mile away.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at June 13, 2021 08:05 PM (fLVm1)

421 Re: buybacks. I do have a Taurus Curve that I bought because the wife thought it would be comfortable for waistband carry. Turned out to be a POS that I couldn't in good conscience fob off on someone else. I could see turning that in for ammo money.

Posted by: Oddbob at June 13, 2021 08:05 PM (nfrXX)

422 rhomboid @ 406- hogmartin and I saw some large pistol primers at a decent price but had already spent our allowance at that point.

Posted by: Eromero at June 13, 2021 08:07 PM (0OP+5)

423 Oddbob, how's the trigger pull on that Taurus? It makes me think of the FN F2000 bullpup. *shudder*

Posted by: callsign claymore at June 13, 2021 08:08 PM (TWjh1)

424 As to the first aid stuff - I'm going to use a couple of those suggestions. But here's what's in my "get home bag" (a very small bag to be kept in the car, in case of emergency where you have to abandon the car and get somewhere safe or deal with an auto accident; NOT a full-blown survival kit):

(have to not do this in list form, since Pixy thinks I'm spamming, *sigh*)
small flashlight (if you have to put that tourniquet on in the dark, you're going to be cursing even more) - 25' parachute cord - pair of cheap plastic ponchos - pen - carpenters pencil - notepad - Swiss Army knife (one-a the bigguns - I prefer a multi-tool) - Adventure Medical Kits Trauma Pak - (QuikClot, Trauma Pad, Nitrile gloves, duct tape, triangular bandage, some gauze dressings, 'conforming gauze' bandage, antiseptic wipe, plastic bag for storage, disposal, and sucking chest wounds) - Surviveware 36" rolled-up splint - 3 moderately tasty ration bars - 4 bags emergency water (for drinking and *irrigation of wounds*)

I think I'll add burn cream and a tourniquet (I keep thinking there's one in the trauma kit).

Posted by: GWB at June 13, 2021 08:08 PM (aDTsF)

425 So, is your truck in the "some rust" state, which means the paint over the fender wells is is starting to bubble, with maybe a few holes, or in the "vehicle is still solid" state, which means only the passenger side has holes through the floorboard?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at June 13, 2021 08:03 PM (2SdPm)

Neither. That's what the company vehicles are for, the salty days.

Posted by: clutch at June 13, 2021 08:08 PM (9UmRs)

426 Thanks for the GT Weasel, enjoyable as per your usual.

And first aid was a great topic too!

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at June 13, 2021 08:09 PM (N84rQ)

427 Checking online ammo, looks like first stage of market recovery has begun - there is again supply, including major brands. Prices are still double-normal, or more - which actually reflects a decline.

But looks like the fever has broken.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 13, 2021 08:09 PM (OTzUX)

428 Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at June 13, 2021 08:09 PM (N84rQ)
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Thank you! It's my pleasure.

Posted by: Weasel at June 13, 2021 08:09 PM (MVjcR)

429 Heading out to enjoy some more perfectly legal fireworks. Thanks as always weasel, rhomboid, and anyone else I forgot. Y'all have fun.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Who would have imagined that Karmella stutters like Slipfoot, too? at June 13, 2021 08:10 PM (S9l8l)

430 @ 422 and since I already spent my allowance I have to eat Little Debbie the rest of the week. Did I type that out loud? I have to go now.

Posted by: Eromero at June 13, 2021 08:10 PM (0OP+5)

431 Fireworks? Well I guess it never hurts to practice in advance of a holidy.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 13, 2021 08:11 PM (OTzUX)

432 Well, heck.
Went to the range twice today.
Didn't shoot my foot, didn't need first aid.

Posted by: RI Red at June 13, 2021 08:11 PM (pVTnh)

433 I did. Posts 192, 245, 277, and 296, maybe some others. I got very lucky and am happy to finally have one after a couple of decades of wanting but not being able to afford it.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Who would have imagined that Karmella stutters like Slipfoot, too? at June 13, 2021 07:56 PM (S9l8l)


Congratulations! (I am a bad boy - didn't make time to check for earlier notes about Midway buys)

Posted by: Gref at June 13, 2021 08:11 PM (AMIL/)

434 Posted by: Moron Robbie - Who would have imagined that Karmella stutters like Slipfoot, too? at June 13, 2021 08:10 PM (S9l8l)
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Goodnight, Moron Robbie!

Posted by: Weasel at June 13, 2021 08:12 PM (MVjcR)

435 I'll add burn cream and a tourniquet (I keep thinking there's one in the trauma kit).
Posted by: GWB

You've 25' of paracord... you don't need to spend money on a tourniquet; but, you might need a stick or 2.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at June 13, 2021 08:12 PM (N84rQ)

436 For those looking for more info on flintlocks, check out Youtube videos. Search on 'townsends flintlock' and 'colonial williamsburg gunsmith'.

Posted by: JTB at June 13, 2021 08:12 PM (7EjX1)

437 {{{S'Puppy}}}

Good evening to you!

Posted by: Ladyl at June 13, 2021 08:13 PM (TdMsT)

438 Well, heck.
Went to the range twice today.
Didn't shoot my foot, didn't need first aid.
Posted by: RI Red at June 13, 2021 08:11 PM (pVTnh)

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How's the hearing?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at June 13, 2021 08:13 PM (fLVm1)

439 432 Well, heck.
Went to the range twice today.
Didn't shoot my foot, didn't need first aid.
Posted by: RI Red at June 13, 2021 08:11 PM (pVTnh)
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There's always tomorrow. Don't give up!

Posted by: Weasel at June 13, 2021 08:14 PM (MVjcR)

440
How's the hearing?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at June 13, 2021 08:13 PM (fLVm1)

What?

Posted by: RI Red at June 13, 2021 08:14 PM (pVTnh)

441 298 60 Minutes turned from an investigative reporting
unit into one of the finest and most effective Globalist propaganda machines today.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 13, 2021 07:18 PM (sy5kK)
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Serious question: After all their blown stories, does anyone outside of the incestuous DC-NYC media circle care what's on that show?
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 13, 2021 07:21 PM (llXky)

A lot of Lefties still do. Primarily those who get what they think is "news" from corporate American news sources, like CNN or FIX news.
Myself, I think of 60 minutes as kind of an electronic version of a heroin dealer.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 13, 2021 08:14 PM (sy5kK)

442 Short time tonight due to work and home. Thanks Weasel, and good catch Moron Robbie.

Posted by: whig at June 13, 2021 08:15 PM (pO7gM)

443 So Weasel what's this evening's cigar choice?

I've finally started buying again, though for the moment I'm just a "mild" guy. So, Baccarat, Macanudo Inspirado, Monte Cristo White, and tried a Nub (Connecticut, mildest in the line) yesterday.

Thinking about storage. Those Boveda humidity control packs seem like a better mousetrap. Might get an airtight clear food container, with some cedar pieces and Boveda, viola, a "humidor".

Posted by: rhomboid at June 13, 2021 08:15 PM (OTzUX)

444 @DempMcgee offers just about any kit you want. @solatac.
Worth looking at IMO

Posted by: BobbyJingo at June 13, 2021 08:15 PM (hfvf4)

445 Posted by: whig at June 13, 2021 08:15 PM (pO7gM)
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Happy to do it, whig!

Posted by: Weasel at June 13, 2021 08:15 PM (MVjcR)

446 I'll bet you could smell all the loopholes from a mile away.
Posted by: Cicero

Smelled like freedom

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at June 13, 2021 08:16 PM (oEn12)

447 Since Ben Had mentions sugar, I'll mention that doing some research a few years back, I found out that honey actually works as an antiseptic in wounds. It has to be raw honey. But the water and HIGH sugar content actually works to stop any nasty bacteria from getting in and growing.

Of course, like burn cream it will eventually harden.

Posted by: GWB at June 13, 2021 08:16 PM (aDTsF)

448 Posted by: rhomboid at June 13, 2021 08:15 PM (OTzUX)
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Thanks for asking! I went back to one of my favorites, a Ramon Allones Special Selection.

Posted by: Weasel at June 13, 2021 08:18 PM (MVjcR)

449 I'm so old that I call Kelly clamps "hemostats". I have a nice assortment of them. Some, even, don't have any pot resin in the gripping surfaces.

*thanks for the thread Weasel; I rarely comment on this thread but I always read it.

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 13, 2021 08:19 PM (F0YaR)

450 Oddbob, how's the trigger pull on that Taurus?

Not great but not really terrible. I could live with the trigger but I just don't have confidence in it for a carry gun and it's never going to be a for-fun gun.

Posted by: Oddbob at June 13, 2021 08:19 PM (nfrXX)

451 Some of the real crime shows I watch have some of the most unbelievable ignorance of basic firearms facts by law enforcement that you could ever imagine.


A recent one was a woman who had three gunshot wounds, including one in back of the head. They declared it a suicide and never backed down for more than twenty years.

Posted by: TC at June 13, 2021 08:20 PM (KuDNQ)

452 Quick Clot is a staple in my medic bag.

Also, the HK45 is an incredible pistol, and better than the USP in my opinion. Have shot both, and the HK45 is superior ergonomically, by a damned sight.

Posted by: SARDiver at June 13, 2021 08:20 PM (s0DTB)

453 Off to dinner with son #1.
Thanks for the thread, weasel.

Posted by: nurse ratched at June 13, 2021 08:21 PM (U2p+3)

454 Thinking about storage. Those Boveda humidity control packs seem like a better mousetrap. Might get an airtight clear food container, with some cedar pieces and Boveda, viola, a "humidor".
Posted by: rhomboid at June 13, 2021 08:15 PM (OTzUX)
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Pelican cases make great humidors with Boveda's for humidity control. I also use airtight plastic tubs for bulk storage of my daily smoke bundles. I also have fancier cedar humidors, but capacity is an issue with those. Finally I have a temp and humidity controlled fridge that works well too!

Posted by: Weasel at June 13, 2021 08:22 PM (MVjcR)

455 G21 in .45 is kick-ass. Not as sexy as my 1911, but it's the one I'd go to war with.

Posted by: RI Red at June 13, 2021 08:22 PM (pVTnh)

456 Posted by: GnuBreed at June 13, 2021 08:19 PM (F0YaR)
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Glad to hear it and thank you, GnuBreed!

Posted by: Weasel at June 13, 2021 08:23 PM (MVjcR)

457 Oddbob, thanks.

Taurus has some good shooting irons, old and new. Too bad that Curve isn't one of them.

Posted by: callsign claymore at June 13, 2021 08:23 PM (TWjh1)

458 Posted by: nurse ratched at June 13, 2021 08:21 PM (U2p+3)
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Always a pleasure to have you here. Goodnight, nurse!

Posted by: Weasel at June 13, 2021 08:24 PM (MVjcR)

459 GWB,, I used honey and crushed aspirin to eradicate a sarcoid on one of my dogs legs.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 13, 2021 08:24 PM (j52yr)

460 In stead of flashlights, get a head lamp. I have battery powered as well as ones that use a charging cable. LEDs so they get pretty good "gas mileage"on battery life. Wear it on your head and keep both hands free.I use these at the shop and have for years... No more drop light burns...

Posted by: jesse in dc at June 13, 2021 08:25 PM (Yp3Ga)

461 Weasel,
Thanks for such a valuable thread. I'll say good night in case the ONT shows up early.

Posted by: JTB at June 13, 2021 08:26 PM (7EjX1)

462 and since I already spent my allowance I have to eat Little Debbie the rest of the week.

Posted by: Eromero at June 13, 2021 08:10 PM


To paraphrase (slightly) Clint, "A man's got to know his priorities."

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 13, 2021 08:26 PM (DMUuz)

463 "shouldn't a good gunny give a respectful repose to an old workhorse by bashing in the head of a commie first instead of sending it to a furnace?"

Yes please.

Don't support gun buybacks in any way. Any move you make in their direction is a win for them and a loss for us. At best you are rewarding them with credibility by adding to whatever their "successful" goal is for the buyback.

It's kinda like giving the left some books to burn on their bonfire because "they were just a few I don't really care about"

I would also be curious about what happens to any personal information you give them to get the check for the weapon cut. Would the courts view those lists the same way they regard Gun Registration databases? (I'm ignorant about what privacy rights either one has, or if they are different creatures legally)

Remember, Hitler was able to confiscate firearms by using the registration data recorded by the prior government. And you can sure the GOP will sell out like a Vichy Whore.

Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at June 13, 2021 08:27 PM (83lwH)

464 455 RI Red, the 1911 is a beautiful thoroughbred. The Glock 21 is an ugly workhorse that will run without a hiccup past Ragnarok.

Posted by: callsign claymore at June 13, 2021 08:27 PM (TWjh1)

465 9:30 Thank You time!!

Thanks everyone for being here this evening. I was speaking with someone today and commented on what a great group of regulars we have. It really means a lot to me, and I appreciate you all!

Posted by: Weasel at June 13, 2021 08:27 PM (MVjcR)

466 Weasel, thank you, man. Have a great week.

Posted by: callsign claymore at June 13, 2021 08:29 PM (TWjh1)

467 Posted by: JTB at June 13, 2021 08:26 PM (7EjX1)
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Thank YOU!

Posted by: Weasel at June 13, 2021 08:29 PM (MVjcR)

468 callsign claymore @ 464- You are a brother from another mother.

Posted by: Eromero at June 13, 2021 08:29 PM (0OP+5)

469 "Some of the real crime shows I watch have some of the most unbelievable ignorance of basic firearms facts by law enforcement that you could ever imagine."

Tom Clancy is usually more careful, but in one of his books he has a guy get shot 3 times with 25mm. Only wounded too

(no it was NOT Chuck Norris, goof)

Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at June 13, 2021 08:30 PM (83lwH)

470 Posted by: callsign claymore at June 13, 2021 08:29 PM (TWjh1)
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Happy to do it, cc! My pleasure!

Posted by: Weasel at June 13, 2021 08:30 PM (MVjcR)

471 Thanks for the gub, Weasel.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at June 13, 2021 08:32 PM (W4eKo)

472 Posted by: Notorious BFD at June 13, 2021 08:32 PM (W4eKo)
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Thanks for being here, Notorious BFD!

Posted by: Weasel at June 13, 2021 08:33 PM (MVjcR)

473 Be safe out there.

Thanks Weasel.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 13, 2021 08:34 PM (3H9h1)

474 Well, 370 miles at work today, so I'm just getting in at the end of the Gun Thread. Missed so much, will have to spend an hour reading all the comments!

My skill at First Aid is this. I know that if you put a tourniquet around the victim's neck, the bleeding WILL stop!

Now, to go read as much as I can before yon ONT breaks the horizon.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at June 13, 2021 08:34 PM (QzJWU)

475 Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 13, 2021 08:34 PM (3H9h1)
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Thank you Martini Farmer!

Posted by: Weasel at June 13, 2021 08:35 PM (MVjcR)

476 Thanks for the informative gub thread, Weasel. I took a "Stop The Bleed" course a few years ago, so I can apply a tourniquet, but reading your post and the comments has (as is typical with all things firearm-related) revealed how much I have yet to learn.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at June 13, 2021 08:35 PM (Agr8U)

477 How much blood are you willing to see poured out in your vehicle?
Posted by: Dr. Bone at June 13, 2021 06:54 PM (2k5ha)


Not in my car. Those are corinthian leather seats!
(And, no, I don't really have leather seats at all.)

Posted by: GWB at June 13, 2021 08:37 PM (aDTsF)

478 Callsign c, eromero, we might be distant triplets.

Posted by: RI Red at June 13, 2021 08:37 PM (jzW4o)

479
Not in my car. Those are corinthian leather seats!
(And, no, I don't really have leather seats at all.)
Posted by: GWB at June 13, 2021 08:37 PM (aDTsF)
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Bleeders go in the truck bed.

Posted by: Weasel at June 13, 2021 08:37 PM (MVjcR)

480 It's kinda like giving the left some books to burn on their bonfire because "they were just a few I don't really care about"

I would also be curious about what happens to any personal information you give them to get the check for the weapon cut. Would the courts view those lists the same way they regard Gun Registration databases? (I'm ignorant about what privacy rights either one has, or if they are different creatures legally)

Remember, Hitler was able to confiscate firearms by using the registration data recorded by the prior government. And you can sure the GOP will sell out like a Vichy Whore.
Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at June 13, 2021 08:27 PM (83lwH)

If the gun buyback is truly "no questions asked" (what is your name? is a question), then I like the idea of making up some el-crappo zip guns that can fire a .22LR, and turning them in for cash. make it a profit center!

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 13, 2021 08:38 PM (RZ0UC)

481 Weasel sounds like you're well set for storage. Given my "light consumption" pattern - for now - thinking of going with a medium-sized airtight clear food container ("tupperdor") with the Boveda and Spanish cedar sheets or pieces. Oughta work just like a real humidor, properly handled. I only need room for 10-15 sticks at a time.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 13, 2021 08:39 PM (OTzUX)

482 Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at June 13, 2021 08:35 PM (Agr8U)
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Thank you, S'puppy! Very happy to hear you found it useful.

Posted by: Weasel at June 13, 2021 08:39 PM (MVjcR)

483 Just learned at FB:
Cracker Barrel now sells alcoholic beverages!

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 13, 2021 08:40 PM (L2ZTs)

484 >>> 451 Some of the real crime shows I watch have some of the most unbelievable ignorance of basic firearms facts by law enforcement that you could ever imagine.


A recent one was a woman who had three gunshot wounds, including one in back of the head. They declared it a suicide and never backed down for more than twenty years.
Posted by: TC at June 13, 2021 08:20 PM (KuDNQ)

Where was this, somewhere in Arkansas? or maybe Fort Marcy Park in DC?

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at June 13, 2021 08:40 PM (d5OIB)

485 468 Eromero, very kind words. Thank you.

The polymer pistols have come into their own. It makes good tactical sense to go with one.

But there's something about the old school, wood and steel. The 1911, the Hi-Power, the S&W and Colt wheelguns...

Posted by: callsign claymore at June 13, 2021 08:40 PM (TWjh1)

486 Oddbob, if the gun is fully functional, sell it. Better than having it melted down by The State, right? Just be fully transparent about it - well, most people want to handle or even shoot a gun before they buy it, private party - so need for conscience issues. Might be a drawer gun for someone, at the right price.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 13, 2021 08:41 PM (OTzUX)

487 How do you include hot iron in the kit? Blowtorch and prybar?
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 13, 2021 06:57 PM (llXky)


https://tinyurl.com/5vc7b4td

Posted by: GWB at June 13, 2021 08:41 PM (aDTsF)

488 Posted by: rhomboid at June 13, 2021 08:39 PM (OTzUX)
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Perfect. You can get small digital hygrometers very inexpensively, too.

Posted by: Weasel at June 13, 2021 08:41 PM (MVjcR)

489 478 Come for Weasel's great gun thread, stay for the family reunion.

Man, I love this place.

Posted by: callsign claymore at June 13, 2021 08:42 PM (TWjh1)

490 Weasel, yes, have found a few websites with good advice and gear recos, including hygrometers.

Dang, now you're making me want to fire one up, sit on the back porch, and contemplate the deeper questions of the universe. Or something less profound. But gotta grill the bratwurst and veggies.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 13, 2021 08:43 PM (OTzUX)

491 Posted by: Helena Handbasket at June 13, 2021 08:40 PM (d5OIB)
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Howdy, Helena!

Posted by: Weasel at June 13, 2021 08:44 PM (MVjcR)

492 Posted by: rhomboid at June 13, 2021 08:43 PM (OTzUX)
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I'm outside right now doing just that!

Posted by: Weasel at June 13, 2021 08:44 PM (MVjcR)

493
great thread
gotta go
see ya in the funny papers

Posted by: DB- just DB at June 13, 2021 08:45 PM (iTXRQ)

494 Someone above mentioned exam gloves. Also important!

Posted by: Weasel at June 13, 2021 08:46 PM (MVjcR)

495 Cracker Barrel now sells alcoholic beverages!
Posted by: qdpsteve


Given their store aesthetics, that better be moonshine.

Posted by: mikeski at June 13, 2021 08:46 PM (P1f+c)

496 Posted by: DB- just DB at June 13, 2021 08:45 PM (iTXRQ)
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Thanks DBjDB!

Posted by: Weasel at June 13, 2021 08:46 PM (MVjcR)

497 mikeski, it's easy to tell the Cracker Barrels that sell moonshine. They're the ones on fire...

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 13, 2021 08:48 PM (L2ZTs)

498 495 Cracker Barrel now sells alcoholic beverages!
Posted by: qdpsteve

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Wouldn't meth be more appropriate to the demographic?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at June 13, 2021 08:49 PM (fLVm1)

499 Well, family, gunnies, Weasel, it has been real, as always.
Really looking forward to the NoVaMoMe and will do my darndest to get to TX to shoot with y'all.

Posted by: RI Red at June 13, 2021 08:50 PM (jzW4o)

500 What are those stupid bugs that come to light and then do a kamikaze like crash land and buzz around on the floor and then die.They look like big flying beetles. Most useless bugs ever. Why are they still around?

Posted by: TC at June 13, 2021 08:50 PM (KuDNQ)

501 My Dad, who went from Senior Chief to Ensign as an LDO, said the two years as an Ensign was a very long time for him.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 13, 2021 06:49 PM (u82oZ)
I noticed our prior service butter bars tended to wear their ribbon racks on uniforms most folks didn't bother with.

Posted by: E. C. at June 13, 2021 08:52 PM (MHKOK)

502
Thanks Weasel.
Another excellent production.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 13, 2021 08:52 PM (sy5kK)

503 Posted by: blaster at June 13, 2021 07:19 PM (WoyGL)


That's a really good idea, as long as there's no way the fact you're looking for a route is transmitted to a web server somewhere that might be hacked for LE.

Posted by: GWB at June 13, 2021 08:53 PM (aDTsF)

504 June bugs ?

Posted by: Hatari Somewhere on Ventura Highway at June 13, 2021 08:53 PM (WF/xn)

505 Posted by: RI Red at June 13, 2021 08:50 PM (jzW4o)
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Night Red!

Posted by: Weasel at June 13, 2021 08:54 PM (MVjcR)

506 Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 13, 2021 08:52 PM (sy5kK)
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Appreciate that, LC D!

Posted by: Weasel at June 13, 2021 08:54 PM (MVjcR)

507 If the gun buyback is truly "no questions asked"
(what is your name? is a question), then I like the idea of making up
some el-crappo zip guns that can fire a .22LR, and turning them in for
cash. make it a profit center!

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 13, 2021 08:38 PM (RZ0UC)

It was mentioned upthread that a Florida man, natch, was doing just that. I think the poster intimated he got caught doing it. But if you didn't get caught....

Posted by: OrangeEnt at June 13, 2021 08:55 PM (7bRMQ)

508 Good night, Red. Have a great week.

Posted by: callsign claymore at June 13, 2021 08:56 PM (TWjh1)

509 I would also be curious about what happens to any personal information you give them to get the check for the weapon cut. Would the courts view those lists the same way they regard Gun Registration databases? (I'm ignorant about what privacy rights either one has, or if they are different creatures legally)

Nowadays, it seems gift cards are king.

Posted by: E. C. at June 13, 2021 08:57 PM (MHKOK)

510 Good night, all. Have a great week, folks.

Posted by: callsign claymore at June 13, 2021 08:58 PM (TWjh1)

511
Sometimes i needed to hear it.
Posted by: Diogenes at June 13, 2021 06:51 PM (axyOa)

I think we all did.

Posted by: E. C. at June 13, 2021 08:58 PM (MHKOK)

512 Literally just walked in the house from the Deer lease. Got some work done on the feeder and weeds whacked Mrs. Deplorable and young Deplorable spent some time on the range expending some ammo through the Marlin Model 60. The smile on a 9 year old's face when he sees that he's kept it all in the black at 100yds is priceless.

Posted by: Glen the Deplorable Lurker at June 13, 2021 08:59 PM (Entn1)

513 What are those stupid bugs that come to light and then do a kamikaze like crash land and buzz around on the floor and then die.

I think you're describing what we always called "June bugs." I just searched for that and it turns out to not be as specific as I thought. There are a bunch of species called that. Anyway, the ones we have here (S. TX) are brown and about 3/4 inch long. I think they are what those fat white grubs with black heads and pinchers mature into.

Posted by: Oddbob at June 13, 2021 09:00 PM (nfrXX)

514 500 What are those stupid bugs that come to light and then do a kamikaze like crash land and buzz around on the floor and then die.They look like big flying beetles. Most useless bugs ever. Why are they still around?
Posted by: TC



Cicada's? I think your describing Cicada's. The every 17 years, show up, fly around clumsily, make a racket, have sex, have babies, then die, variety.

Posted by: Puddleglum at June 13, 2021 09:00 PM (OO5qX)

515 ONT is up! Thank you all for being here. Hope you enjoy the rest of your evening and have a great week. See you next Sunday!

Posted by: Weasel at June 13, 2021 09:00 PM (MVjcR)

516 It was mentioned upthread that a Florida man, natch, was doing just that. I think the poster intimated he got caught doing it. But if you didn't get caught....
Posted by: OrangeEnt at June 13, 2021 08:55 PM (7bRMQ)

So, "got caught", means what, exactly? In theory, a gun buyback is meant to get illegal guns off the street. So I make an "illegal gun", and sell it to the buyback, what, exactly am I doing wrong?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 13, 2021 09:01 PM (WVlMY)

517 June bugs ?
Posted by: Hatari Somewhere on Ventura Highway at June 13, 2021 08:53 PM (WF/xn)


An image search shows me that you got it exactly right.

Posted by: TC at June 13, 2021 09:04 PM (KuDNQ)

518 Alberta Oil Peon at June 13, 2021 09:01 PM (WVlMY)

Making the illegal gun, I assume. Not illegal to sell it in a buyback program I'd think, but who knows.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at June 13, 2021 09:06 PM (7bRMQ)

519 Off topic, but has Hadrian shown his dog yet at Westminister?

Posted by: jasonj at June 13, 2021 09:18 PM (ocTOb)

520 Just ordered two CAT tourniquets and three Israeli bandages.....now I'm gonna go to the car and restock the first aid kit......Thanks for the nudge, Hoard.....I am also looking into Stop the Bleed classes nearby....I'm an old EMT, but rusty skills are still rusty.....

Posted by: jasonj at June 13, 2021 09:30 PM (ocTOb)

521 she equips herself is cutie patootie.

Posted by: butch at June 13, 2021 09:34 PM (cHvOo)

522 Just got 2 of the new insert packs for military IFACs. 1 goes in the range bag. Also have a Unit 1 acquired on some deployment or another. That gets tossed in the car for longer trips. The Unit 1 has updated contents, I check it every couple of months for expired contents. Stuffed a SF medical handbook in there for the bizarre stuff that might be encountered

Posted by: Stacy0311 at June 13, 2021 10:02 PM (SqpTW)

523 On flintlocks: Dad taught me that if you want to cure yourself of flinching, learn to shoot a flintlock. The delay between the pan flash and firing can be from 0.04 to 0.07 second, depending on what is used, humidity, and other factors. Plus, if you can hold still while smoke and fire go off next to your face, you can hold still with anything.

Posted by: ERF at June 13, 2021 10:07 PM (CsYEU)

524 She Equips Herself is informative and fun to watch. She's got a bubbly personality but it doesn't get in the way of the subject matter.

Posted by: ChupaMe at June 13, 2021 10:21 PM (ClD7h)

525 First aid:
First aid given by non-medically trained personnel means you can put stuff ON a person, but not IN a person.
The only exception I can think of is stuffing a large hole with gauze treated with a clotting agent.
Sheesh.
It's not like you are clearing house-to-house in old town Sacramento with no med-evac available...yet.

Posted by: waepnedmann at June 13, 2021 10:38 PM (oAGTA)

526 Aw, this was an exceptionally nice post. Finding the time and actual effort to create a top notch article?
but what can I say? I put things off a whole lot and don't manage
to get anything done.

Posted by: Spore Protect & Defend at July 12, 2021 03:51 PM (6bENt)

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