At Chattanooga National Cemetery, Where White Privilege Lies Buried Under The Sacred Sod <BR>[Buck Throckmorton]

At Chattanooga National Cemetery, Where White Privilege Lies Buried Under The Sacred Sod
[Buck Throckmorton]

Beneath the sacred sod at Chattanooga National Cemetery, more than 12,000 Union soldiers from the Civil War lie in eternal rest, over 4,000 of whom are unknown. Buried far from home, they gave their lives to make our country a more perfect union. They died at places with names such as Chickamauga, and Missionary Ridge, and Kennesaw.

Where their armies advanced, the evil institution of slavery crumbled behind them. Where they died, enslaved people were freed. Where these heroes were buried, so was any notion of white privilege.

One of these 12,000 men was William C. Youmans (shown as “Yaumans” in some old records.) Mr. Youmans enlisted in the United States (Union) Army on August 21, 1862 in the town of Erwin, NY, an upstate hamlet near Elmira. He mustered in as a Private in Company E of the 141st New York Infantry. He would never return home to New York.

In October 1863, the 141st found itself just west of the besieged city of Chattanooga, where Union troops were surrounded. The 141st first engaged in combat at the Battle of Wauhostaie, a critical Union victory that helped re-open supply lines to the Union troops trapped in Chattanooga.

The next month, Private Youmans and his brothers in arms fought at Lookout Mountain and Missionary Ridge. With Union victories in those battles, the Confederate army was now in retreat into Georgia.

The promise of Abraham Lincoln’s Emancipation Proclamation became action as Private Youmans and his comrades battled. As the men of the 141st fought and died under the American Flag, black Americans who had been enslaved were now realizing the promise of emancipation. Across every acre the Union Army covered as it moved further south, another acre was permanently liberated from the awful institution of slavery. Many of those acres were soaked in blood – the blood of white men who died so that their enslaved brothers and sisters could be free. Whatever white privilege these men had, it bled out on the battlefield.

In the ensuing months, Private Youmans and the 141st Infantry kept moving south, battling at Resaca, and at Kennesaw, and moving ever closer to Atlanta. Behind them, a large swath of northwest Georgia was now rid of the institution of slavery, while many of the men of the 141st were now resting in the loving arms of their creator.

In what is now the Buckhead section of Atlanta, Private Youmans was wounded at the Battle of Peachtree Creek on July 20, 1864. He suffered a severe wound to the shoulder and was transported to a Union hospital back in Chattanooga. Private Youmans died in Chattanooga on August 21, 1864, exactly two years to the day after he enlisted. He lies in eternal rest at Chattanooga National Cemetery.

God bless Private Youmans. God bless the American heroes of all races and ethnicities who fought under the American Flag to preserve the Union and to end slavery. And God bless all of those patriots, from Lexington and Concord until today, who have paid the ultimate price in service to our country.

(buck.throckmorton at protonmail dot com)

Posted by: Open Blogger at 10:59 AM

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1 greetings, horde.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 31, 2021 10:04 AM (kTF2Z)

2 Flags are out and proudly waving in the breeze.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 31, 2021 10:05 AM (kTF2Z)

3 Hola

Posted by: Thanatopsis at beautiful Chancre del Diablo ranch at May 31, 2021 10:06 AM (A4fNR)

4 Otters called.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 31, 2021 10:06 AM (kTF2Z)

5 God bless people who remind us about the stories of these men.

Posted by: m at May 31, 2021 10:07 AM (cME97)

6
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Carnac the Magnificent predicts that this is going to be another acrimonious "War Between the States", "War of Northern Aggression", "Civil War" Thread.
Remember-conservatives-wherever he come from- are not your enemy.

See you later, folks.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 31, 2021 10:09 AM (k39e/)

7 God Bless all who paid the ultimate price for me, so I can comment freely on this blog today.

Posted by: Jak Sucio at May 31, 2021 10:09 AM (jvt6t)

8 One can't help but notice no flags or memorial day statements or anything particularly remarkable at sites like Amazon, Walmart, and Google.

Black Lives Matter, but not the people who died in order to make them matter.

Posted by: Moron Robbie is a bridge at May 31, 2021 10:10 AM (pk9Sm)

9 And God damn every politician, race-pimp and pixel-drunk propagandist who cheapens their sacrifice with vomitus about "institutional racism" and "slave-owning founders." May their words turn to ashes, their memory blotted out and a sane society shun them as the moral lepers they are.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 31, 2021 10:10 AM (2JVJo)

10 My great uncle left high school as a sophomore to go to WWI in the 107th Infantry. Got gassed but made it home. Suffered the rest of his life but made it to 34.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at May 31, 2021 10:10 AM (vuisn)

11 From the tail end of the early demised thread... "People presuppose the idea that the rulers want energy to be cheap and available to the masses.. I do not see that as the trend.

Posted by: kraken at May 31, 2021 10:10 AM (6Je/Q)

12 8 One can't help but notice no flags or memorial day statements or anything particularly remarkable at sites like Amazon, Walmart, and Google.

Black Lives Matter, but not the people who died in order to make them matter.
Posted by: Moron Robbie is a bridge at May 31, 2021 10:10 AM (pk9Sm)

Well, they ARE Globalist...

Posted by: kraken at May 31, 2021 10:12 AM (6Je/Q)

13 Visit those Civil War parks while you can. I fully expect them to be erased, for 'Progress'.

A couple of years ago, I visited 5 of them in a week. Fredericksburg, Chancellorsville, Spotsylvania, The Wilderness, and Appomattox. Worth seeing, especially Appomattox. I could live in Appomattox County. Beautiful. Gettysburg is another that you could spend a couple of days there.

Posted by: Puddleglum at May 31, 2021 10:15 AM (Ikfsj)

14 Precisely. Reliable plentiful and reasonably priced energy is the cornerstone of prosperity, self determination, freedom, and a relatively comfortable existence. It makes the trappings of civilization affordable and accessible to everyone.

THAT is why coal and gas and oil is under assault. "Green on the outside, red on the inside."

They lie about everything Every. Thing. Lying liars who lie.

Posted by: Common Tater at May 31, 2021 10:15 AM (zCpUM)

15 2 Flags are out and proudly waving in the breeze.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 31, 2021 10:05 AM (kTF2Z)

Thank you for the reminder. I hung bunting this week but completely forgot the flag.

Thank you to my soldier.

Posted by: creeper at May 31, 2021 10:15 AM (XxJt1)

16 We visited the Crater years ago. If I believed in haunted places, that would be one I'd put near the top.

Posted by: Moron Robbie is a bridge at May 31, 2021 10:16 AM (pk9Sm)

17 8

Google has a US flag on its home page. Click on it and it has all sorts of Memorial Day stuff.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at May 31, 2021 10:16 AM (O5bxn)

18 One wonders what young Youmans would make of his sacrifice today?

Posted by: Too Bad Costa Rica Sucks at May 31, 2021 10:17 AM (xEIoY)

19 Walmart home page has a TV for sale for only $69 with a US flag flying as the image. Damn TVs have gotten cheap.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at May 31, 2021 10:18 AM (O5bxn)

20 Bing was a nice Memorial Day cover on there page.

Posted by: Puddleglum at May 31, 2021 10:18 AM (Ikfsj)

21 America ended slavery over 150 years ago and paid a terrible price to do so, yet the Racist Progs still act as though it's still the law of the land. I'll be glad to hear the first person to slap one of those prog imbeciles down by asking them why they persist in their bleatings.
"Systemic racism" is another figment of their imagination. It does not exist and has not for many decades. Look at all the laws that have been passed to insure equality in an effort to stop it. SR cannot legally exist, yet it lives on inside our domestic enemies' empty heads.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Psychos Rule! No, really. They're in charge now. at May 31, 2021 10:18 AM (HaL55)

22 We visited the Crater years ago. If I believed in haunted places, that would be one I'd put near the top.
Posted by: Moron Robbie is a bridge at May 31, 2021 10:16 AM (pk9Sm)

The one in Arizona on I-40?

Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at May 31, 2021 10:19 AM (y7DUB)

23 Google has a US flag on its home page.

*

Not on phone sites using Google Chrome. Dark text on the main page. Yes, you can click on it and it will tell you that today is a long weekend and here's a flag BTW.

Problem being that every other day they have the black woman or Chinese Chinese crossdresser doing important scientific or cultural things right there in the text on the main page.

Posted by: Moron Robbie is a bridge at May 31, 2021 10:19 AM (pk9Sm)

24 Okay. I hung the flag. But it took every ounce of self-control I have not to hang it upside down.

Posted by: creeper at May 31, 2021 10:20 AM (XxJt1)

25 A THIRD of Americans say they are NOT sure if sending troops to fight in World War II was the right decision, new poll reveals

War is not the ANSWER!

What if the question is HITLER?

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 31, 2021 10:20 AM (yrol0)

26 On this Decoration Day, I shall honor all of the Johnny Rebs and Billy Yanks who made the ultimate sacrifice.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at May 31, 2021 10:21 AM (tVOev)

27 My cousin: Sgt. Francis F.
Sgt. 134th Infantry, 35th Division
Bronze Star and two Purple Hearts
Dec. 9, 1944
He lies in the Lorraine American Cemetery, St. Avold, France
Thanks, Sarge!

Posted by: TANSTAAFL at May 31, 2021 10:21 AM (fBtlL)

28 23

I was just saying that there is something, replying to comment 8 which said there are no flags on those websites. Google is garbage, I will not dispute tht.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at May 31, 2021 10:22 AM (O5bxn)

29 Slavery appears to have been the natural state of things among humans of all races and cultures.

Until the ascendency of white, Christian, British and British-affiliated men.

White, Christian, British men are the only ones who abolished slavery in their own societies and then abolished it where ever else they found it.

BLM and their supporters are false witnessing ingrates. I hope they all end up on a road to Damascus.

Posted by: EXTERMINATE! at May 31, 2021 10:22 AM (hbrUW)

30 Many years ago a colleague asked me if I thought it was OK to have friends over on Memorial Day for a BBQ. I told him that you're free to do as you please. Just remember why you're free.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 31, 2021 10:23 AM (kTF2Z)

31 I wonder how many people visit Google.com prior to a search these days? I would assume 99% of people just type in the address bar and go from there.

Posted by: Moron Robbie is a bridge at May 31, 2021 10:23 AM (pk9Sm)

32 Walmart home page has a TV for sale for only $69 with a US flag flying as the image. Damn TVs have gotten cheap.

Goebells and co. made "People's Radios" (then a relatively new technology) very inexpensive to buy, practically giving them away. Every corner of the Reich, no matter how isolated, needed to hear the speeches from Der Fuehrer.

Televisions are cheap, in fact in some cases made by slave labor in brutal communist dictatorships.

Biden and Co. borrowing money we don't have (at interest) from China to give away to Americans, who then spend the money on Chinese TVs, to be indoctrinated by pseudo "news" propagandists.

Posted by: Common Tater at May 31, 2021 10:24 AM (zCpUM)

33 Took all my energy to just get my flag outside.

Posted by: Skip at May 31, 2021 10:24 AM (Cxk7w)

34 I look back over the years and my career in the Army and I am humbled by the memory of those with whom I served. To this day I wonder where do we find such men and women? This Nation is so blessed. May it continue to be so.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 31, 2021 10:24 AM (axyOa)

35 32

Biden and Co. borrowing money we don't have (at interest) from China to give away to Americans, who then spend the money on Chinese TVs, to be indoctrinated by pseudo "news" propagandists.
Posted by: Common Tater at May 31, 2021 10:24 AM (zCpUM)

I see you grasp Bidenomics....

Posted by: kraken at May 31, 2021 10:25 AM (6Je/Q)

36 All right, I am going to see if I can get some work done on my book. Hope you all have a lovely day.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 31, 2021 10:25 AM (2JVJo)

37 When I visited the D Day beaches and especially the US cemetery, whew that was an experience. You just get overwhelmed with emotion. The Canadian memorial at Dieppe too.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at May 31, 2021 10:25 AM (O5bxn)

38 I think it was Dr. Thomas Sowell who wrote something to the effect that slavery is as old as mankind. What distinguishes America and England is that they were the first to end it.

Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin, clinging bitterly to a deplorable life at May 31, 2021 10:25 AM (grl6Y)

39 Visit those Civil War parks while you can. I fully expect them to be erased, for 'Progress'.

A couple of years ago, I visited 5 of them in a week.
Fredericksburg, Chancellorsville, Spotsylvania, The Wilderness, and
Appomattox. Worth seeing, especially Appomattox. I could live in
Appomattox County. Beautiful. Gettysburg is another that you could spend
a couple of days there.

Posted by: Puddleglum at May 31, 2021 10:15 AM

There was a large push some years back to build a huge casino with a horse race track right next to the Gettysburg battlefield park. It got shot down by the locals.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at May 31, 2021 10:26 AM (JUOKG)

40 Well put Buck. Well put.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at May 31, 2021 10:26 AM (NeZ1b)

41 Here's to
Uncle Steve: Flew a B-17 over Germany, a B-29 over Korea, ended as a short Colonel with SAC.
Uncle Jim: On board a tiny little minesweeper at D-Day, 3 months after leaving the mountains of central Pennsylvania.
Uncle Bud: Medical corpsman in the South Pacific.
Dad: Who made the machine tools to make the weapons.
Uncle Bob: making sure the trains delivered all the goods needed for the war effort.
Uncle Dan, CAPT US Army. UK, Africa, Italy
Cousin Charlie M. MSGT, Viet Nam vet, Winner of the Bronze Star.
Aunt Birdie's first husband Ernie, died on Anzio beach.

Posted by: TANSTAAFL at May 31, 2021 10:26 AM (fBtlL)

42 Eat the Ruling Class.
Eat the Donor Class
Eat the international bankers
Eat the heads of entertainment industry
Eat MSM
Eat the academics
Eat the NGO's
Eat the heads of corporations
Eat the lobbyists
Eat the grifters
Eat the invaders

Posted by: No More Brother Wars at May 31, 2021 10:26 AM (prPBq)

43 Been to many Civil War battlefields, will regret not getting to Normandy ever.

Posted by: Skip at May 31, 2021 10:28 AM (Cxk7w)

44 When I visited the D Day beaches and especially the US cemetery, whew that was an experience. You just get overwhelmed with emotion.

Yes. People in France were very nice to this American but particularly in Normandy.

Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at May 31, 2021 10:29 AM (y7DUB)

45 Skip...are you okay?

Posted by: creeper at May 31, 2021 10:30 AM (XxJt1)

46 World War II was absolutely necessary, but in hindsight they should have just kept on going and/or nuked Moscow. Failing that removed the communists from America. That was the fatal flaw, it was absurd to think "coexistence" or "containment" was possible with communism. We're seeing the results of that now. It's bizarre to see that the Soviet Union fell, but the intellectual virus they spread far and wide hasn't been killed, but is still virulent.

Posted by: Common Tater at May 31, 2021 10:30 AM (zCpUM)

47 Yesterday I was driving past a cemetery with the kid in the car. There was a big group of people there and kid asks me what is going on there. I said it is probably a Memorial Day thing. Kid says isnt that tomorrow? I said yeah but there are events all weekend long. To which the kid replied, then call it Memorial Weekend not Memorial Day. Which for some reason I found really funny.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at May 31, 2021 10:31 AM (O5bxn)

48 Reading The last book of Gulag Archipelago, the entire Gulag system was a two fold goal, where to put political prisoners and a massive grab for slave labor.

Posted by: Skip at May 31, 2021 10:31 AM (Cxk7w)

49 If you get a chance to visit Gettysburg, I highly recommend it. I remember standing on the Confederate side next to the statue of Lee on traveler, looking out on the field where Pickett made his charge, and saying to myself "what were you thinking, General Lee?"

Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 31, 2021 10:31 AM (kTF2Z)

50 Good morning!

Let's smile & be happy & strike fear in the hearts of killjoy leftists everywhere.

There is something special about American Exceptionalism. We have been a force for good.

May it survive our idiots in charge.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 31, 2021 10:31 AM (u82oZ)

51 Most people overlook the communism, distracted by the window dressings that communism always hides behind...

Posted by: kraken at May 31, 2021 10:32 AM (6Je/Q)

52 One can't help but notice no flags or memorial day statements or anything particularly remarkable at sites like Amazon, Walmart, and Google.

Pretty sure Microsoft doesn't agree with me any more than Google but at least the bing.com front page respects the day, so they've got that going for them, which is nice.

Posted by: Oddbob at May 31, 2021 10:33 AM (nfrXX)

53 49 If you get a chance to visit Gettysburg, I highly recommend it. I remember standing on the Confederate side next to the statue of Lee on traveler, looking out on the field where Pickett made his charge, and saying to myself "what were you thinking, General Lee?"
Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 31, 2021 10:31 AM (kTF2Z)

Apparently Lee was totally focused on the " decisive battle" that would bring victory.

Posted by: kraken at May 31, 2021 10:33 AM (6Je/Q)

54 World War II was absolutely necessary, but in
hindsight they should have just kept on going and/or nuked Moscow.
Failing that removed the communists from America. That was the fatal
flaw, it was absurd to think "coexistence" or "containment" was possible
with communism. We're seeing the results of that now. It's bizarre to
see that the Soviet Union fell, but the intellectual virus they spread
far and wide hasn't been killed, but is still virulent.

Posted by: Common Tater at May 31, 2021 10:30 AM

Patton saw that and wanted to finish the job, that's why he was killed. There was no way they wanted him running for President because he would have got us into a shooting war with Moscow.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at May 31, 2021 10:33 AM (JUOKG)

55 William "Bud" M. 347th Combat Engineers and the 817th Tank Destroyer Batallion. Northwest Europe 6/29/44 to 5/06/45. Every now and then he would scratch at his arm from the phosphorus burns.
The bodies were still in the water when he landed.
Headed for the Pacific when that war ended.
Thanks, Bud, my favorite next door neighbor.

Posted by: TANSTAAFL at May 31, 2021 10:34 AM (fBtlL)

56 Reading about battles is one thing; actually viewing the sites is a whole different matter. Sadly, I never got to Gettysburg, but I did visit Antietam and Fredricksburg. It was foggy so we weren't able to see much at Antietam. But we got to Fredricksburg later in the day. Seeing that rising road the Union marched up and the stone wall the Confederates held was kind of scary.

Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin, clinging bitterly to a deplorable life at May 31, 2021 10:34 AM (grl6Y)

57 We're seeing the results of that now. It's bizarre to see that the Soviet Union fell, but the intellectual virus they spread far and wide hasn't been killed, but is still virulent.
Posted by: Common Tater at May 31, 2021 10:30 AM (zCpUM)

It's like the virus burned itself out in the land where it first took hold, and now the wave is like a ripple in a pond, spreading ever further from the rock that started it.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 31, 2021 10:34 AM (K8UZb)

58 I'm cat-sitting for neighbors. Time to sling food. Later all.

Posted by: creeper at May 31, 2021 10:34 AM (XxJt1)

59 I've been to that cemetery, it's marvelous (even though it's in a rough part of Chattanooga) Best marker is the Railroad Tombstone to the Andrew's Raiders - historical basis for Buster Keaton's film "The General".
https://www.roadsideamerica.com/tip/34451

Posted by: Greta Thunberg at May 31, 2021 10:35 AM (trdmm)

60 If you ever to go to Normandy, do it October to March. Otherwise it will be a throng of tourists and you will miss out on a lot. I went the first time in summer and it was ridiculous. It was like Disneyland. Then I went back in November. It was cold, dreary weather, I had the place practically to myself. That is when you really breathe it all in.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at May 31, 2021 10:35 AM (O5bxn)

61 Skip

Distant relative fought to free slaves. He died in 1864.

Seems the Left wants more slaves. As always.
Not happening, as far as I am concerned..

Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 31, 2021 10:36 AM (u82oZ)

62 Apparently Lee was totally focused on the " decisive battle" that would bring victory.
Posted by: kraken at May 31, 2021 10:33 AM (6Je/Q)

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No doubt, but it's striking to look at that field and realize how far those men would have to march under heavy artillery fire.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 31, 2021 10:36 AM (kTF2Z)

63 Wonderful posting and comments. So glad that the comments section hasn't disintegrated into shouting matches about the War of Northern Aggression and such, but hey, the day is young,

Posted by: GuyFromNH at May 31, 2021 10:37 AM (pZox7)

64 i like the buck who wrote this article. good job.

Posted by: trotsky at May 31, 2021 10:37 AM (9DOKD)

65 That patent chore is still here. At least I am compensated for this.

Later.

May we remember and honor the sacrifices.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 31, 2021 10:38 AM (u82oZ)

66 No doubt, but it's striking to look at that field and realize how far those men would have to march under heavy artillery fire.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 31, 2021 10:36 AM

Yep. We have been there and did the walk. It was the weekend after the 4th of July and it was about 99 degrees same as it was that day. No one should have survived that charge.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at May 31, 2021 10:38 AM (JUOKG)

67 62 Apparently Lee was totally focused on the " decisive battle" that would bring victory.
Posted by: kraken at May 31, 2021 10:33 AM (6Je/Q)

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No doubt, but it's striking to look at that field and realize how far those men would have to march under heavy artillery fire.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 31, 2021 10:36 AM (kTF2Z)

Yes. In World War I they were still committing the same insanity, the details differing a bit, of course..l

Posted by: kraken at May 31, 2021 10:38 AM (6Je/Q)

68 I wish there was some program to have Americans who fled communism give talks to college campuses or something like that. Just regular people who lived in the Eastern Block and describe their lives. How they had to wait 5 years to buy a car. How they were afraid that their friends might turn them in to the secret police for bad think. How everyone had to live in miserable apartment blocks.

If people knew what communism was really like nobody would embrace it. But all yuutes know of communism today is everyone had free health care and no income inequality.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at May 31, 2021 10:39 AM (O5bxn)

69 Yes, but have you heard about the Race Riots in Tulsa 100 years ago?
/Sarcasm/

Posted by: mildly citrusy at May 31, 2021 10:39 AM (4A6oS)

70 18 One wonders what young Youmans would make of his sacrifice today?
Posted by: Too Bad Costa Rica Sucks at May 31, 2021 10:17 AM (xEIoY)

He'd go backhand AOC in her whore mouth.

Posted by: Greta Thunberg at May 31, 2021 10:39 AM (trdmm)

71 38 I think it was Dr. Thomas Sowell who wrote something to the effect that slavery is as old as mankind. What distinguishes America and England is that they were the first to end it.
______________

Yes, and the abolition movement started in the American colonies, with the founders, who recognized that the enslavement of any people was inconsistent with the ideals of liberty and equality.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at May 31, 2021 10:39 AM (k4dH2)

72 Also, lots of anti-slavery sentiment in those parts. Some of those eastern Tennessee counties went for Lincoln in 1860. One or two have gone for the Republican candidate in every election since.

Posted by: Ted Torgerson at May 31, 2021 10:40 AM (/aiGx)

73 71 38 I think it was Dr. Thomas Sowell who wrote something to the effect that slavery is as old as mankind. What distinguishes America and England is that they were the first to end it.
______________

Yes, and the abolition movement started in the American colonies, with the founders, who recognized that the enslavement of any people was inconsistent with the ideals of liberty and equality.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at May 31, 2021 10:39 AM (k4dH2)

William Wilberforce...

Posted by: kraken at May 31, 2021 10:40 AM (6Je/Q)

74 God Bless all who paid the ultimate price for me, so I can comment freely on this blog today.
Posted by: Jak Sucio

We're working on that!

Posted by: Bob formally with NSA, now with the USPS at May 31, 2021 10:40 AM (cjnJM)

75 49 If you get a chance to visit Gettysburg, I highly recommend it. I remember standing on the Confederate side next to the statue of Lee on traveler, looking out on the field where Pickett made his charge, and saying to myself "what were you thinking, General Lee?"
Posted by: Duke Lowell

I thought the same at Fredericksburg. What was Burnside thinking? It's basically a cliff and the Confederates had it.

Posted by: Puddleglum at May 31, 2021 10:41 AM (Ikfsj)

76 My wife got into ancestry stuff and she has family lines that go back to the civil war, on both sides. Some slave owners too. I told her for gods sake do not ever say that publicly!!!! Our kids will never get a job.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at May 31, 2021 10:41 AM (O5bxn)

77 Mr Blogger, very good. Standing on shoulders of giants.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at May 31, 2021 10:41 AM (VgIeo)

78 Almost every Fourth of July, the XO and I watch Gettysburg. And every year I shake my head and wonder what Lee was smoking when he ordered Pickett's charge.

Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin, clinging bitterly to a deplorable life at May 31, 2021 10:42 AM (grl6Y)

79 no way am i wanting to pay reparations. maybe free school, that's it.

Posted by: trotsky at May 31, 2021 10:42 AM (9DOKD)

80 We're working on that!
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Oh, we know, Bob.

Fortunately, you and your ilk lose in the end.

Posted by: SMH at May 31, 2021 10:42 AM (53ycu)

81 75

I thought the same at Fredericksburg. What was Burnside thinking? It's basically a cliff and the Confederates had it.
Posted by: Puddleglum at May 31, 2021 10:41 AM (Ikfsj)

At the time, they called it " Murder"....

Posted by: kraken at May 31, 2021 10:42 AM (6Je/Q)

82 And God damn every politician, race-pimp and pixel-drunk propagandist who cheapens their sacrifice with vomitus about "institutional racism" and "slave-owning founders." May their words turn to ashes, their memory blotted out and a sane society shun them as the moral lepers they are.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 31, 2021 10:10 AM (2JVJo)

Concur. Every time one of the race baiting swine utter their nonsense the replay should always be:

Shiloh! Antietam! Vicksburg! Gettysburg!

The tell them to go fuck themselves.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 31, 2021 10:43 AM (R/m4+)

83 I was told it was customary to apply for the purchase of a car on the birth of a child. That's how long it took.

Then, you got word, out of the blue, years later. "Come get your car". Had to pay on the spot, so borrowing the money from friends and family was the routine. If you didn't pay for it immediately, you lost your spot "in line."

Even they weren't stupid enough to pay people not to work. They did not allow "unemployed." Sure, you might pretend to work, and they pretended to pay you, but they would send you a letter and say "Report Monday to the Glorious Widget Factory Number 17", and it might be hundreds of miles away. Enjoy your new job, Comrade.

Posted by: Common Tater at May 31, 2021 10:44 AM (zCpUM)

84 Recently the death toll for the Civil War has been estimated Upwards, to around 750,00-800,000, I believe...

Posted by: kraken at May 31, 2021 10:44 AM (6Je/Q)

85 A sad day for me.

Posted by: Justsayin' at May 31, 2021 10:44 AM (Fs5vw)

86 Fun fact the MFM will never tell you. China had slavery until the 1940s. No that is not a typo. 1940s.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at May 31, 2021 10:45 AM (O5bxn)

87 Normally on Memorial day I dust off Ace's Money-for-Sex Skankathon from the Greatest Hits sidebar.

I'm getting a Not Found error. Sad.

Posted by: Blutarski at May 31, 2021 10:45 AM (nnf6G)

88 reparations, they want 1 million per person?

Posted by: trotsky at May 31, 2021 10:45 AM (9DOKD)

89 Meanwhile, Harris is smirking....

Posted by: kraken at May 31, 2021 10:46 AM (6Je/Q)

90 Fun fact the MFM will never tell you. China had slavery until the 1940s. No that is not a typo. 1940s.
**cough**

Posted by: Uighyurs at May 31, 2021 10:46 AM (v16oJ)

91 Just returned from Mass at our parish cemetery followed by the salute from the combined AmLegion/VFW Color guard.
This is an old Irish Catholic parish with graves dating back to the Civil War and the little flags seem to be on every family plot.

Posted by: Cosda at May 31, 2021 10:46 AM (+XtEu)

92 William Wilberforce...
__________

Long before him. Cotton Mather, one of the Massachusetts Puritans and a prolific pamphleteer, was writing against slavery for decades before Wilberforce, and Mather's anti-slavery arguments greatly influenced people like Benjamin Franklin.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at May 31, 2021 10:46 AM (k4dH2)

93 Saudi Arabia didn't formally end slavery till about 1971

Posted by: Common Tater at May 31, 2021 10:46 AM (zCpUM)

94 reparations, they want 1 million per person?

*

And they didn't hesitate to tell the white people that.

And the white people didn't do anything but say no.

Posted by: Moron Robbie is a bridge at May 31, 2021 10:47 AM (hj7WI)

95 Yes. In World War I they were still committing the same insanity, the details differing a bit, of course..l
Posted by: kraken at May 31, 2021 10:38 AM (6Je/Q)

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Indeed. The weaponry had advanced, the tactics had not. Marching shoulder to shoulder in a straight line up to the enemy position should have been obsolete with the advent of the rifle and minie ball. Likewise, Brothers Maxim and Browning made the infantry charge futile.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 31, 2021 10:47 AM (kTF2Z)

96 Soviet Joke:

Guy goes to buy a car and is told it will ready to pick up on a date 5 years later. The customer says morning or afternoon. The bureaucrat handling the paperwork says what difference does it make it is 5 years from now. The customer says well the phone guy is coming to install the phone in the morning.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at May 31, 2021 10:47 AM (O5bxn)

97 92 William Wilberforce...
__________

Long before him. Cotton Mather, one of the Massachusetts Puritans and a prolific pamphleteer, was writing against slavery for decades before Wilberforce, and Mather's anti-slavery arguments greatly influenced people like Benjamin Franklin.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at May 31, 2021 10:46 AM (k4dH2)

And to our public school educated children, those names are unknown...

Posted by: kraken at May 31, 2021 10:47 AM (6Je/Q)

98 If China still has Gulag ( think everythingsays they do), they still have slave labor.

Posted by: Skip at May 31, 2021 10:48 AM (Cxk7w)

99 The only Civil War battlefield I've seen is at Shiloh. A beautiful site, very well maintained by the Park Service. Seeing those places - the Sunken Road, the Peach Orchard, and so on - made a deep impression. It is the most haunted place I have ever been.

My great-grandfather, Peter Thelen, was a sergeant in Company B, 13th Illinois Cavalry, nicknamed the "German Guides", since most were German-speaking immigrants. They served in the west, Arkansas and Missouri mostly. They lost a dozen or so men to enemy action, but hundreds to disease: dysentery, typhoid, yellow fever, malaria.

Posted by: Nemo at May 31, 2021 10:48 AM (S6ArX)

100 Heresy!!!

Posted by: Talcom X at May 31, 2021 10:48 AM (jpiBi)

101 >>>Wonderful posting and comments. So glad that the comments section
hasn't disintegrated into shouting matches about the War of Northern
Aggression and such, but hey, the day is young,<

>Not every man in the Union or Confederacy was a slaver. When you get conscripted, you go to war.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at May 31, 2021 10:48 AM (tVOev)

102 "86 Fun fact the MFM will never tell you. China had slavery until the 1940s. No that is not a typo. 1940s."
*****
Much of what passes as employment today in China isn't any different than slavery.

Posted by: Cosda at May 31, 2021 10:49 AM (+XtEu)

103 Today there are Muslims around the world holding slaves, bet some in this country.

Posted by: Skip at May 31, 2021 10:49 AM (Cxk7w)

104 86 -- Saudi Arabia didn't outlaw it until the 1980s, not that they pay attention to such a silly law. Every year, young Phillapinas come to SA to earn money and for the most part they are treated as slaves. In Africa itself, slavery is still alive and well to this very day.

Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin, clinging bitterly to a deplorable life at May 31, 2021 10:50 AM (grl6Y)

105 101 >>>Wonderful posting and comments. So glad that the comments section
hasn't disintegrated into shouting matches about the War of Northern
Aggression and such, but hey, the day is young,

>Not every man in the Union or Confederacy was a slaver. When you get conscripted, you go to war.
Posted by: Dr. Bone at May 31, 2021 10:48 AM (tVOev)

They were all Americans and deserve the respect of all.

Posted by: Jak Sucio at May 31, 2021 10:50 AM (jvt6t)

106 Thanks for the very fine post

Posted by: Huck Follywood at May 31, 2021 10:51 AM (hifqh)

107 On Memorial Day, I return to Lincoln's Gettysburg Address:

Fourscore and seven years ago our fathers brought forth, on this continent, a new nation, conceived in liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal. Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived, and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting-place for those who here gave their lives, that that nation might live.

It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

Posted by: blaster at May 31, 2021 10:51 AM (ZfRYq)

108 Only 2% of all Southerners owned slaves in 1860, per the last US Census before the war.

TWO percent.

Ninety-eight percent of Southerners were not fighting "for slavery," but for Southern independence. That was the real Cause, for 98% of my ancestors. Getting out from under the dominance of the North.

Posted by: Beverly at May 31, 2021 10:52 AM (SrggQ)

109 But, in a larger sense, we cannot dedicate, we cannot consecrate-we cannot hallow-this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it far above our poor power to add or detract.

The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here.

Posted by: blaster at May 31, 2021 10:52 AM (ZfRYq)

110 If people knew what communism was really like nobody would embrace it. But all yuutes know of communism today is everyone had free health care and no income inequality.
Posted by: Joe XiDen at May 31, 2021 10:39 AM (O5bxn)

I know someone who left it in its dying days. She wants to rekindle it here for some reason. I guess she forgot all the stories she would tell of her friends growing up who started drinking at an early age to excess because they had no future.

Or she really hates her kids and want them to experience that maybe.

Posted by: Bete at May 31, 2021 10:52 AM (Ojki1)

111 You know why mountain men lived, i mean really lived with Indian gals?

Go kill sandwich.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at May 31, 2021 10:52 AM (VgIeo)

112 It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us-that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they here gave the last full measure of devotion-that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain-that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom, and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

Posted by: blaster at May 31, 2021 10:53 AM (ZfRYq)

113 We should remember all who died - North and South. We should also remember the corrupt Politicans of both sides who started a needless Civil War and sent others to die while they and their rich friends hired substitutes or exempted themselves from the draft.

Its too bad Billy yank and Johnny reb didn't shoot their politicians instead of each other.

Posted by: rcocean at May 31, 2021 10:53 AM (evE25)

114 were american indians ever really enslaved, like in the cotton fields?

Posted by: trotsky at May 31, 2021 10:53 AM (9DOKD)

115 On my block of 8 houses, 5 have a flag on display. I am really surprised to be honest. Like shocked at my neighbor across the street who also had BLM shit all over their lawn last summer.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at May 31, 2021 10:53 AM (O5bxn)

116 With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in, to bind up the nation's wounds, to care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan, to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among ourselves and with all nations. A Lincoln, 2nd Inaugural Address

Posted by: mustbequantum at May 31, 2021 10:53 AM (MIKMs)

117 They were all Americans and deserve the respect of all.
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This sista is thankful.

And as horrible a treatment my ancestors of the permanent tan were subjected to, I'm grateful I was not born in Africa.

Thank you to those that made the crossing and persevered...and those that did not.

Posted by: SMH at May 31, 2021 10:54 AM (53ycu)

118 All the left wants to do is censor history.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 31, 2021 10:55 AM (85Gof)

119 114 were american indians ever really enslaved, like in the cotton fields?
Posted by: trotsky at May 31, 2021 10:53 AM (9DOKD)

Indians in the " Americas" were routinely enslaved, but predominantly by the Spanish, I believe...

Posted by: kraken at May 31, 2021 10:55 AM (6Je/Q)

120
that is great, I put 10 gallons of gas in my truck and it cost me $40

Posted by: will choose a nic later at May 31, 2021 10:55 AM (bTQ72)

121 The fact is the average Northerner wanted to mind their own business and let the South take care of Slavery. And the average Southerner didn't want to leave the Union. There's no reason some sort of compromise couldn't have been worked out, except for the fanatics on both sides.

A rich man's war, and a poor man's fight

Posted by: rcocean at May 31, 2021 10:56 AM (evE25)

122 hiya

Posted by: JT at May 31, 2021 10:56 AM (arJlL)

123 120
that is great, I put 10 gallons of gas in my truck and it cost me $40

Posted by: will choose a nic later at May 31, 2021 10:55 AM (bTQ72)

Bidenomics....

Posted by: kraken at May 31, 2021 10:56 AM (6Je/Q)

124 hat is great, I put 10 gallons of gas in my truck and it cost me $40

Posted by: will choose a nic later at May 31, 2021 10:55 AM (bTQ72)

Where do you live?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 31, 2021 10:56 AM (85Gof)

125 Can't remember all the details, but I recall reading of a brief conversation between a Union officer and a Confederate Private. The officer asked why he was fighting. The private replied because y'all are down here.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 31, 2021 10:57 AM (kTF2Z)

126 And to our public school educated children, those names are unknown...
_____________

That and so much more. Like, for example, the fact that Virginia's colonial legislature, the Virginia House of Burgesses, twice voted to outlaw slavery in the Virginia colony, only to have the laws vetoed by the British governor.

Or the fact that, when listing the colonies' grievances against the British king in one of the original drafts of the Declaration of Independence, Thomas Jefferson wrote a paragraph excoriating the king for forcing the un-Christian practice of slavery upon the colonies, and overruling the colonies' repeated attempts to outlaw slavery here. (The paragraph was later removed at the request of a small group of powerful SC plantation owners).

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at May 31, 2021 10:57 AM (k4dH2)

127 What a beautiful tribute, Buck. Thank you.

Posted by: bluebell - NoVaMoMe2021! at May 31, 2021 10:57 AM (wyw4S)

128 >>>were american indians ever really enslaved, like in the cotton fields?<

>No, but they were put in camps.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at May 31, 2021 10:57 AM (tVOev)

129 The fact is the average Northerner wanted to mind their own business and let the South take care of Slavery. ...There's no reason some sort of compromise couldn't have been worked out, except for the fanatics on both sides.
So...just let the South continue to practice slavery, because who gets hurt, right?

Posted by: pep at May 31, 2021 10:57 AM (v16oJ)

130 were american indians ever really enslaved, like in the cotton fields?
Posted by: trotsky
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Those of the black-injun persuasion, quite often.

Eventually, Injuns owned black slaves, and people just got all mixed up.

Posted by: SMH at May 31, 2021 10:57 AM (53ycu)

131 "The memory of the righteous is blessed..." Proverbs 10:7

Posted by: grammie winger at May 31, 2021 10:58 AM (45fpk)

132 Hiya Bluebell !

Posted by: JT at May 31, 2021 10:58 AM (arJlL)

133 I'm flying the flag today. I've stopped flying it everyday since that's what the commies here are now doing (and they leave the flag out unlit at night). Anyway, flying it on important holidays like Memorial Day still pisses them off - witness the vandalism in Portland at Memorial Day displays - so I do it.

Posted by: InCali at May 31, 2021 10:58 AM (ov5G+)

134 BTW, I hate this sort of defensive patriotism. As in: "Hey don't hate us, our ancestors died to end Slavery." My love of America isn't conditioned on how much we love blacks. And if you think the left cares that white men died to end slavery you're delusional.

Posted by: rcocean at May 31, 2021 10:58 AM (evE25)

135 grammie!!

Posted by: SMH at May 31, 2021 10:59 AM (53ycu)

136 102 "86 Fun fact the MFM will never tell you. China had slavery until the 1940s. No that is not a typo. 1940s."
*****
Much of what passes as employment today in China isn't any different than slavery.
Posted by: Cosda at May 31, 2021 10:49 AM (+XtEu)

Much of what passes as employment today in USA for illegals working on lawns and roofs isn't any different than slavery.

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 31, 2021 10:59 AM (yrol0)

137 Gas here is $3.15 - .20

Posted by: Skip at May 31, 2021 10:59 AM (Cxk7w)

138 Hiya JT! Are you coming down to VA to see us in July?

Posted by: bluebell - NoVaMoMe2021! at May 31, 2021 10:59 AM (wyw4S)

139 i think indians just made terrible slaves.

Posted by: trotsky at May 31, 2021 10:59 AM (9DOKD)

140 were american indians ever really enslaved, like in the cotton fields?<

>No, but they were put in camps.
Many in the Caribbean, Central and Latin America were. In North America, it was restricted largely to the Mexican silver mines.

Posted by: pep at May 31, 2021 10:59 AM (v16oJ)

141 Hey there SMH!

Posted by: grammie winger at May 31, 2021 10:59 AM (45fpk)

142 Posted by: rcocean
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Yeah, some of us are quite aware of how the left rolls.

Posted by: SMH at May 31, 2021 11:00 AM (53ycu)

143 Why must we endlessly pick at sores from the past?

Yes, what happened in Tulsa 100 years ago was a disgrace and a crime, but no good comes of commemorating it because all Biden and everyone else are going to do is imply that things are just as bad today--and once again recite the names of losers like George Floyd and Breonna Taylor

I say again that polls that showed Trump with growing black support in EARLY 2020 scared the living daylights out of the Democrats--and everything that followed flowed from that....

Posted by: JoeF. at May 31, 2021 11:00 AM (HrMC1)

144 All the left wants to do is censor history.
Posted by: Nevergiveup
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Actually, destroy history, and traditions. The Great Reset.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 31, 2021 11:00 AM (GBHAb)

145 118 All the left wants to do is censor history.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 31, 2021 10:55 AM (85Gof)

Well if you can rewrite it at will, you can use it for what every you want to, to justify whatever you want.

But the one's pushing hardest for this kind of thing who aren't in the ruling class have not the brain power to realize this ends not in utopia, but in mass graves and they are more likely than not to be in the pit.

Posted by: Bete at May 31, 2021 11:01 AM (Ojki1)

146 144 All the left wants to do is censor history.
Posted by: Nevergiveup
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Actually, destroy history, and traditions. The Great Reset.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 31, 2021 11:00 AM (GBHAb)

They have essentially won the public eduction battle....

Posted by: kraken at May 31, 2021 11:01 AM (6Je/Q)

147 Much of what passes as employment today in USA for illegals working on lawns and roofs isn't any different than slavery.

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 31, 2021 10:59 AM (yrol0)

Except that it's voluntary.

Posted by: JoeF. at May 31, 2021 11:01 AM (HrMC1)

148 I've got my flag and bunting out on the front porch. I try to leave the bunting up all the way to Veterans Day each year.

The other day my daughter was going for a walk and stopped to talk to people who live about half a mile away in our neighborhood. She was telling them where we live and they said, oh yes, the patriotic house!

I liked it.

Posted by: bluebell - NoVaMoMe2021! at May 31, 2021 11:01 AM (wyw4S)

149 4 hat is great, I put 10 gallons of gas in my truck and it cost me $40

Posted by: will choose a nic later at May 31, 2021 10:55 AM (bTQ72)

Where do you live?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 31, 2021 10:56 AM (85Gof)

Yeah, 'cause I'd like to find a place with gas that cheap!

Posted by: InCali at May 31, 2021 11:02 AM (ov5G+)

150 Next target... organized religion... bet on it... tax law..

Posted by: kraken at May 31, 2021 11:02 AM (6Je/Q)

151 Gas here is $3.15 - .20
Posted by: Skip at May 31, 2021 10:59 AM (Cxk7w)

Here in NJ, I can still get regular for under $3...at least I could yesterday

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 31, 2021 11:02 AM (85Gof)

152 Much of what passes as employment today in USA for illegals working on lawns and roofs isn't any different than slavery.

Posted by: rhennigantx
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Kid that cuts our lawn is as white as they come.
Very well-mannered.
And does an outstanding job.
Forty bucks a week.
If that's slavery...
Gotta love small town USA.

Posted by: SMH at May 31, 2021 11:02 AM (53ycu)

153 Except that it's voluntary.
They break into the country for the chance at such slavery.

Posted by: pep at May 31, 2021 11:02 AM (v16oJ)

154 "So...just let the South continue to practice slavery, because who gets hurt, right?"

Slavery was doomed because of the industrial revolution. It would've ended anyway. Every other Christian country ended Slavery without killing 500,000 men in a Civil war.

BTW, I always find this self-righteous "They all should have died to end injustice" humorous. There's lot of injustice in the world in 2021, why don't you go grab a gun and help end it? They'd love to have you fight for them.

Posted by: rcocean at May 31, 2021 11:03 AM (evE25)

155 At the time of the war between the states, people were members of their states first. We see the conflict as it has been taught for years as intractable and monolithic blue and grey with supporting ideas governing each side in abstract. What's interesting is all the talk here and elsewhere about a second coming split, what will be the abstract ideas used to frame this time, in terms of good and evil to get young men to march off to war?

Posted by: Too Bad Costa Rica Sucks at May 31, 2021 11:03 AM (xEIoY)

156 eduction = education... I guess I made my point, inadvertantly...

Posted by: kraken at May 31, 2021 11:03 AM (6Je/Q)

157 Hiya JT! Are you coming down to VA to see us in July?
Posted by: bluebell - NoVaMoMe2021!

I doesn't know !

Posted by: JT at May 31, 2021 11:03 AM (arJlL)

158 Next target... organized religion... bet on it... tax law..
Posted by: kraken
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According to Scripture, that's a given.

Posted by: SMH at May 31, 2021 11:03 AM (53ycu)

159 All the left wants to do is censor history.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 31, 2021 10:55 AM (85Gof)

They want to censor POSITIVE history. History that shows Americans--or "white people" as the case may be--in a positive light

Posted by: JoeF. at May 31, 2021 11:03 AM (HrMC1)

160 I've posted this before but it's Memorial Day. Lost two good friends in Vietnam; Charles F. Thomas IV, my roommate for two years in school, and John Stringer a friend from ROTC summer camp and a couple of drunken weekends in Jersey. Both Captains and volunteers, as were the majority of men who served there.

They are so close on the wall that I can touch their names at once.

Posted by: Javems at May 31, 2021 11:04 AM (73CtD)

161 crazies on the loose. lols

Posted by: trotsky at May 31, 2021 11:04 AM (9DOKD)

162 I got gas for my boat Saturday on the lake. Didnt bother checking price just told the hot 19 year old dock girl to fill it up. $277 lol. It is $5 a gallon. Damn near peed myself when she gave me the bill.

Next time Im taking it out and filling it up on land. Usually the difference in price is not enough to go through the hassle of taking it out of the water and relaunching it. But now we are talking $100 difference per tank.

Yes I know mega first world problem , lol.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at May 31, 2021 11:04 AM (O5bxn)

163 Gas here is $3.15 - .20
Posted by: Skip

I paid $3.03 last week.

Posted by: JT at May 31, 2021 11:04 AM (arJlL)

164 I doesn't know !
Posted by: JT at May 31, 2021 11:03 AM (arJlL)
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Well, think about it! Email me for details if you want to know more.

That goes for all of you!

Posted by: bluebell - NoVaMoMe2021! at May 31, 2021 11:05 AM (wyw4S)

165 "All the left wants to do is censor history."

Its just another weapon for them. To the Left EVERYTHING is politics. They hate America, always have, and now they have to power to really show it. The real question is whether the American people have the guts and the brains to stop them.

Posted by: rcocean at May 31, 2021 11:05 AM (evE25)

166 Here in NJ, I can still get regular for under $3...at least I could yesterday
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 31, 2021 11:02 AM (85Gof)

Yes, there's still a range of $2.69-$2.95, but Shell, Gulf and Lukoil are over 3 bucks

Posted by: JoeF. at May 31, 2021 11:05 AM (HrMC1)

167

the hot 19 year old dock girl

I am really sure that is such a coincidence that those words are grouped together

Posted by: will choose a nic later at May 31, 2021 11:05 AM (bTQ72)

168 Off to a Memorial Day observance. Have a great day and be well.

Posted by: Jak Sucio at May 31, 2021 11:06 AM (jvt6t)

169 There's lot of injustice in the world in 2021, why don't you go grab a gun and help end it?

Some have.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 31, 2021 11:06 AM (45fpk)

170 Now, countries would profit greatly if we had a 2 hour war and 20 years to upgrade the country to 5G.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at May 31, 2021 11:07 AM (VgIeo)

171 Slavery was doomed because of the industrial revolution. It would've ended anyway. Every other Christian country ended Slavery without killing 500,000 men in a civil war.
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Americans have this tendency to bug the fuck out when pushed to their extremes.
Throw in a heated, highly partisan election with a wildly unpopular president decreeing that half the country were deplorable racists...

Uh oh...

Posted by: SMH at May 31, 2021 11:07 AM (53ycu)

172 158 Next target... organized religion... bet on it... tax law..
Posted by: kraken
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According to Scripture, that's a given.
Posted by: SMH at May 31, 2021 11:03 AM (53ycu)

According to the Dems own party statements from a few years back, before the higher ups forced it in as they realized the people what only pay attention every 4 years or so might have an issue with hearing it was removed, and the Dems weren't quite ready to let that mask drop just yet. Any religious person that thinks the left is going to allow religion only needs look at all the places where they have had a strangle hold on power to do as they will, and how religions then go underground.

But hey, no mean tweets.

Posted by: Bete at May 31, 2021 11:08 AM (Ojki1)

173 Slavery was doomed because of the industrial revolution. It would've
ended anyway. Every other Christian country ended Slavery without
killing 500,000 men in a Civil war.
Yeah, that argument is made a lot.
A) Production of cotton was increasing, and demand for slaves was high.
B) Nobody knew what the future at that time held. Maybe slavery lasted for 50 more years, maybe not. The South certainly expected it to continue.

Your argument is based on facts not known at the time. Perhaps we shouldn't have fought WWII. Hitler might have caught pneumonia and died, and Himmler might have had an epiphany and freed the Jews.

Posted by: pep at May 31, 2021 11:08 AM (v16oJ)

174 There's not going to be 2nd civil war because the Center-right has ZERO desire to fight. Most of them are concerned about being good losers, or their money. All the left has to do is continue to gather power, let people have their low capital gains tax, and then strike when they are strong enough.

Posted by: rcocean at May 31, 2021 11:08 AM (evE25)

175 They are so close on the wall that I can touch their names at once.

Posted by: Javems at May 31, 2021 11:04 AM (73CtD)

A few years ago I found a couple of names on the wall. The traveling wall is just outside Milwaukee today.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 31, 2021 11:08 AM (45fpk)

176 With malice toward none, with charity to all.

This is a part people have really forgotten. THEY WERE TRAITORS they yell. Yes, but.

Our nation reconciled. Eventually even with Robert E. Lee. Confederate soldiers are bonafide veterans of the US.

Posted by: blaster at May 31, 2021 11:08 AM (ZfRYq)

177 Its just another weapon for them. To the Left EVERYTHING is politics. They hate America, always have, and now they have to power to really show it. The real question is whether the American people have the guts and the brains to stop them.
Posted by: rcocean at May 31, 2021 11:05 AM (evE25)

Intuitively it would seem that they would overplay their hand and cause a backlash. At least that's how it would have worked in the past.
Today, I'm not so sure. Demographics have changed so much that that may not be the case anymore.
Look how successful the mask mandates and lockdowns were in getting people to buy into them.
They couldn't have done this in the '70's or '80's
Hell, they probably couldn't have gotten away with this in 2000

Posted by: JoeF. at May 31, 2021 11:09 AM (HrMC1)

178 Our nation reconciled. Eventually even with Robert E. Lee. Confederate soldiers are bonafide veterans of the US.
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Hooah.

Posted by: SMH at May 31, 2021 11:09 AM (53ycu)

179 176 With malice toward none, with charity to all.

This is a part people have really forgotten. THEY WERE TRAITORS they yell. Yes, but.

Our nation reconciled. Eventually even with Robert E. Lee. Confederate soldiers are bonafide veterans of the US.
Posted by: blaster at May 31, 2021 11:08 AM (ZfRYq)

Forgiveness is not a carnal virtue... the Sermon on the Mount is unknown to most....

Posted by: kraken at May 31, 2021 11:10 AM (6Je/Q)

180 The modern version of Lincoln does not hold up well to his historic record.
Yes slavery was abolished during the war, and rightly so, but Lincoln had many opportunities to prevent the war he nourished by his actions. Slavery was far from the cause of 650,000 people dying on his watch.

Posted by: Dan Patterson at May 31, 2021 11:10 AM (r5cZ0)

181 Couple corrections;
1. The Emancipation Proclamation only applied to slaves in the South, Northern slaves were still slaves.
2. Lincoln hated black people, he actually wanted to deport them all, and was the worst racist & white supremacist ever.
3. In Lincoln's own words, the war was not about ending slavery , it was about losing the southern states and the tariffs they were receiving.

There is a great book that goes into detail about this, "The Problem With Lincoln".

Posted by: Big JiLm at May 31, 2021 11:11 AM (Ww1N4)

182 Miss Winger Got Her Gun.

And flash bangs for the kids.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at May 31, 2021 11:11 AM (VgIeo)

183 "Your argument is based on facts not known at the time. "

So what. Slavery was doomed. It no longer existed anywhere in the Christian world after 1890. The South was able to pick their cotton after 1865 without slavery. The war was unnecessary.

Posted by: rcocean at May 31, 2021 11:11 AM (evE25)

184 JoeF.

Hiya Homey !

How's the ol' neighborhood ?

Posted by: JT at May 31, 2021 11:11 AM (arJlL)

185 A few years ago I found a couple of names on the wall. The traveling wall is just outside Milwaukee today.
Posted by: grammie winger at May 31, 2021 11:08 AM (45fpk)

My sister and I drove out there this morning to visit it. My cousin's name is on the Wall. He was killed in 1969 - a month short of his 21st birthday.

Posted by: Donna&&&&&V at May 31, 2021 11:11 AM (HabA/)

186 and was the worst racist & white supremacist ever.
Posted by: Big JiLm at May 31, 2021 11:11 AM (Ww1N4)

If so, it wasn't for lack of trying on our part.

Posted by: Woodrow Wilson and LBJ at May 31, 2021 11:13 AM (Ojki1)

187 Gen. Lee should have read my book. In it, I advised never attack a well supplied enemy waiting behind fortifications.
The British general who attacked Jackson at the Battle of New Orleans also could have read my book, which really is nothing but common sense.

Posted by: Sun Tzu at May 31, 2021 11:13 AM (aAP3z)

188 150- yep. they have to target organized religion. they are really dying to get a foothold in Catholic schools, too. I bet the Dept. of Education will make accreditation contingent on teaching/enacting Woke BS, CRT, LGBT, etc.

Posted by: vivi at May 31, 2021 11:13 AM (USW1s)

189 Just an observation, not a judgment. It seems like the Civil War really touches a nerve. The reaction to this war that happened 160 years ago seems visceral, like it's still being fought. Yet we still have troops in Afghanistan to this day. I never hear of them.

I'll shut up now.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 31, 2021 11:13 AM (45fpk)

190 but Lincoln had many opportunities to prevent the war he nourished by his actions. Slavery was far from the cause of 650,000 people dying on his watch.
Posted by: Dan Patterson at May 31, 2021 11:10 AM (r5cZ0)

Don't. Just don't. Six states had declared that they were seceding before Lincoln even took office. And please, if you would, read the formal declaration of secession, and get back to us on whether it mentions slavery.

Thank you.

Posted by: blaster at May 31, 2021 11:14 AM (ZfRYq)

191 Hiya Donna of the Ampersands !

Posted by: JT at May 31, 2021 11:14 AM (arJlL)

192 what will be the abstract ideas used to frame this time, in terms of good and evil to get young men to march off to war?

Posted by: Too Bad Costa Rica Sucks at May 31, 2021 11:03 AM (xEIoY)

survival

Posted by: BignJames at May 31, 2021 11:15 AM (AwYPR)

193 Remember folks, America is irredeemable because it had slavery once, like every other nation.

But China is ok with slavery, because that is their culture.

Posted by: 18-1 at May 31, 2021 11:15 AM (DpkTQ)

194 A few years ago I found a couple of names on the wall. The traveling wall is just outside Milwaukee today.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 31, 2021 11:08 AM (45fpk)

Some friends of mine, all vets, were responsible for the building of a permanent replica of the wall in Radcliff, KY, just outside of Ft. Knox. I'll have to go see it when I visit my brother this fall.

Posted by: Javems at May 31, 2021 11:15 AM (73CtD)

195
slavery as an economics model really sucks, 'employee' incentives and all

slavery is an organization with a shitty morale problem

and as someone posted above sugar and cotton were still grown and harvested after 1865

Posted by: will choose a nic later at May 31, 2021 11:15 AM (bTQ72)

196 Hey kids, could be speaking southern German or Japanese.

If you would have lived at all.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at May 31, 2021 11:15 AM (VgIeo)

197 Hello, JT!

Posted by: Donna&&&&&V at May 31, 2021 11:16 AM (HabA/)

198 If slavery did not exist would the civil war have happened? No. So the argument that the civil war was not about slavery is really bullshit.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at May 31, 2021 11:16 AM (O5bxn)

199 Memories can be lost in families as time goes on, as people who knew pass on. My grandmother's older cousin married an army sergeant, a veteran of the Spanish-American War. He was an officer in WWI, and died in France Nov. 5, 1918 during the Muese-Argonne offensive. Her cousin never remarried. My great grandfather came here from England alone and was too old for WWI, but his younger brother enlisted in the British Army. He survived Gallipoli but died outside Baghdad in Dec of 1917. My aunt's older brother died at Anzio. No one really talked about this when I was a kid, I only knew after I started researching the family ancestry.

Posted by: Lirio100 at May 31, 2021 11:16 AM (uFOGo)

200 Hello, JT!
Posted by: Donna&&&&&V

Posted by: JT at May 31, 2021 11:17 AM (arJlL)

201 189 Posted by: grammie winger at May 31, 2021 11:13 AM (45fpk)

Amen.

Posted by: sven at May 31, 2021 11:17 AM (Lzpvj)

202 "Your argument is based on facts not known at the time. "

So what. Slavery was doomed. It no longer existed anywhere in the
Christian world after 1890. The South was able to pick their cotton
after 1865 without slavery. The war was unnecessary.
I see. So when confronted with an enormous evil, your strategy is to hope it goes away. Solid.

Posted by: pep at May 31, 2021 11:17 AM (v16oJ)

203 Princeton University's classics department has eliminated the Greek and Latin language requirements.

Posted by: Civilization death watch at May 31, 2021 11:18 AM (OTzUX)

204 188 150- yep. they have to target organized religion. they are really dying to get a foothold in Catholic schools, too. I bet the Dept. of Education will make accreditation contingent on teaching/enacting Woke BS, CRT, LGBT, etc.

Posted by: vivi at May 31, 2021 11:13 AM (USW1s)

Churches are going to have to marry everyone and stop teaching certain things are against God's law or lose tax exempt status as well as be sued to hell and back for "hate" by both individuals and the DOJ. Some churches will close, some will go to being small gatherings in members houses and many will bend the knee, deciding that teaching some of the Bible is better than none and hoping God doesn't decide that capitulation to the laws of man doesn't leave one in the "wanting" category on the last day. Plus, God must have changed to what man wants right? It isn't like He made clear and made examples of anywhere of His displeasure in the newly approved Bibles.

Posted by: Bete at May 31, 2021 11:19 AM (Ojki1)

205 Good local Memorial Day service. Better than expected, attendance-wise. Glad to see that. Now, it looks like I am going to be subjected the rest of the day to a neighbor whose been running a chainsaw since 9:00 this morning. Dude, give it a rest on this solemn holiday, will ya? Grrr.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at May 31, 2021 11:19 AM (W4eKo)

206 190

Before Lincoln took office but after he was elected.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at May 31, 2021 11:19 AM (O5bxn)

207 202 Posted by: pep at May 31, 2021 11:17 AM (v16oJ)

"Wishing evil will go away" has been the go to defense mechanism for the right since 1968.

How is it working out for us?

Posted by: sven at May 31, 2021 11:20 AM (Lzpvj)

208 Six states had declared that they were seceding before Lincoln even took office.

Not only that, but the not-quite-as-deep state of the time was preparing for war between Lincoln’s election and his taking office, by literally sending war material to forts under control of states most likely to secede.

Lincoln’s sin was a whole lot like Trump’s sin: he was elected over the protests of the beltway crowd. The commission called by Buchanan was astounding in its attempts to undermine the incoming President.

To them, Lincoln was a coarse, vulgar clown who made us look bad to foreigners. That’s not reading into their words—it’s literally what they said.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at May 31, 2021 11:21 AM (CX3cf)

209 The Northeast came close to seceding a couple of generations before the civil war.

It is unclear if the rest of the country would have fought if they decided to leave, but clearly the notion that the south might have tried to leave in 1860 without slavery? It is still possible.

Posted by: 18-1 at May 31, 2021 11:21 AM (DpkTQ)

210 Dude, give it a rest on this solemn holiday, will ya? Grrr.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at May 31, 2021 11:19 AM

I feel your pain. There I was last night: fire going in the fire pit, glencairn of bourbon in hand, enjoying the cool night air.

And my neighbor three houses down decides it's the perfect to do some yard work and run his leaf blower.

At 9PM.

Posted by: Bert G at May 31, 2021 11:22 AM (8LqYZ)

211 Yet we still have troops in Afghanistan to this day. I never hear of them.

I'll shut up now.
Posted by: grammie winger at May 31, 2021 11:13 AM (45fpk)

DJT ordered the troops be brought home but the traitor apparatchiks beneath countermanded the Commander in Chief. Nobody should shut up about that. Ever.

Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at May 31, 2021 11:22 AM (y7DUB)

212 Amusingly Buchanan is known for two things - preparing the south for the civil war and being the first gay president.

Odd how that second milestone isn't honored...perhaps something to do with the first...

Posted by: 18-1 at May 31, 2021 11:23 AM (DpkTQ)

213 208 Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at May 31, 2021 11:21 AM (CX3cf)

Lincoln is troubling, he is like the Loki of American governance. He did an inarguable good in eradicating chattel slavery, he also probably destroyed the chance for the Republic to be a Republic. The crap he put up with from the media of the time reminded me a lot of Trump's problems.

Posted by: sven at May 31, 2021 11:23 AM (Lzpvj)

214 Nothing Trump had to go through was new. Including libel against his wife and family.

Posted by: President Jackson at May 31, 2021 11:25 AM (aAP3z)

215 209 Posted by: 18-1 at May 31, 2021 11:21 AM (DpkTQ)

We would have been a far better nation had they succeeded in leaving in the 1846 effort by William Lloyd Garrison.

Slavery would have been gone by now, the ability of the states to leave and/or tell the Feds GFYS would have been secured, and I would not share a country in all likelihood with Boston.

Posted by: sven at May 31, 2021 11:26 AM (Lzpvj)

216 I literally saved the republic, look how they treated me.

Posted by: President Jackson at May 31, 2021 11:26 AM (aAP3z)

217 JoeF.

Hiya Homey !

How's the ol' neighborhood ?
Posted by: JT at May 31, 2021 11:11 AM (arJlL)

Slipping and sliding toward Third-Worldism....

Posted by: JoeF. at May 31, 2021 11:27 AM (HrMC1)

218 My wife has, or had, a relative who served in the Kaiser's Army in WWI and the US Army in WWII.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 31, 2021 11:27 AM (kTF2Z)

219 And my neighbor three houses down decides it's the perfect to do some yard work and run his leaf blower. At 9PM.

I guess I really am a lawn fossil. Neighborly respect has gone down the shitter. See it more every year here around my little chunk of the planet. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at May 31, 2021 11:27 AM (W4eKo)

220 During the latter stages of the War of 1812, there was real concern in Washington that the New England states would secede and make a separate peace with England.

Posted by: Blutarski at May 31, 2021 11:28 AM (nnf6G)

221 I guess I really am a lawn fossil. Neighborly respect has gone down the shitter. See it more every year here around my little chunk of the planet. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised.
___

Fortunately, that's not the case in many small towns.

Posted by: SMH at May 31, 2021 11:28 AM (53ycu)

222 The Surrender of Lee to Grant at Appomattox was essentially a gentleman's agreement meant to heal the Country rather than for vengeance. However today's liberals and democrats intend to seek that vengeance after the fact and refight the Civil War

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 31, 2021 11:28 AM (85Gof)

223 Xiden puppet string rot.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at May 31, 2021 11:29 AM (VgIeo)

224 220 Posted by: Blutarski at May 31, 2021 11:28 AM (nnf6G)

Correct, a union that has to be held together by the force of arms is not one worth having.

Posted by: sven at May 31, 2021 11:29 AM (Lzpvj)

225 207- exactly.

Posted by: vivi at May 31, 2021 11:29 AM (USW1s)

226 Neighbor was running a wood chipper yesterday from 8:30 to 3 pm.

Posted by: Infidel at May 31, 2021 11:29 AM (E0OEG)

227 If slavery did not exist would the civil war have happened? No.

--------

Well, nobody can say for sure. It certainly was the focal point of the problem. But the problem was there, with or without it. Geographically, economically and culturally distinct groups who never much liked each other, living in an uneasy union from day one.

Some other issue may well have become the flashpoint.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 31, 2021 11:30 AM (Uh2oA)

228 "Buried far from home, they gave their lives to make our country a more perfect union."

Jesus, who wrote this? A HuffPo journo?

Posted by: nobody at May 31, 2021 11:30 AM (+S3j7)

229 Fortunately, that's not the case in many small towns.

Well, I actually do live in a small town. Not small enough, I guess. Oh, well.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at May 31, 2021 11:30 AM (W4eKo)

230

The Elite's obsession with giving a fuck what foreigners think is not new.
And by foreigners, they don't mean the common folk, but the preening graspers, social climbers, status seekers, courtiers and assorted other throne-sniffers, closet Monarchists all.

Posted by: JoeF. at May 31, 2021 11:30 AM (HrMC1)

231 Neighbor was running a wood chipper yesterday from 8:30 to 3 pm.
Posted by: Infidel at May 31, 2021 11:29 AM (E0OEG)

Do you happen to live near Fargo?

Posted by: JoeF. at May 31, 2021 11:31 AM (HrMC1)

232 Yes, there would have been no Civil War without the question of slavery. At the same time, it's good for Northerners to remember that the overwhelming majority of Johnny Rebs did not own slaves. They fought to defend the South and their homes and families from invasion. Several years ago, the leftists in Madison raised a stink about Confederates buried in the Civil War cemetery there - men who had been POWs at Camp Randall. Funny - the Madison residents who gave those men decent burials and gravesites were contemporaries - people who had actually lost sons in the war and had far more cause for bitterness. They could be gracious - but today's "woke" can't be.

Posted by: Donna&&&&&V at May 31, 2021 11:31 AM (HabA/)

233 And by foreigners, they don't mean the common folk, but the preening graspers, social climbers, status seekers, courtiers and assorted other throne-sniffers, closet Monarchists all.
Posted by: JoeF. at May 31, 2021 11:30 AM (HrMC1)

And anti-semites

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 31, 2021 11:32 AM (85Gof)

234 Well, nobody can say for sure. It certainly was the focal point of the problem. But the problem was there, with or without it. Geographically, economically and culturally distinct groups who never much liked each other, living in an uneasy union from day one.

Some other issue may well have become the flashpoint.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 31, 2021 11:30 AM (Uh2oA)
***

Much like today with urban blue and the rest of the red country.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 31, 2021 11:32 AM (axyOa)

235 >>>I guess I really am a lawn fossil. Neighborly respect has gone down the
shitter. See it more every year here around my little chunk of the
planet. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised.<
>I'm probably going to fire up the lawn mower and gas grill after the flag goes back to full staff. It's a beautiful day!

Posted by: Dr. Bone at May 31, 2021 11:32 AM (tVOev)

236 JoeF, no.

Posted by: Infidel at May 31, 2021 11:32 AM (E0OEG)

237 I'll quit my bitchin'

Posted by: Notorious BFD at May 31, 2021 11:32 AM (W4eKo)

238 God Bless All of These Men and Women for their sacrifice.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 31, 2021 11:33 AM (r+sAi)

239 1. Lincoln did not hate blacks, though he thought the white race was the superior race, as did almost all people then.
2. The South started the war by firing on Fort Sumter. No attack on federal installations, no war.
3. The Republicans were not in favor of abolition, only restriction of slavery to where it currently existed.
4. The patermalism of the segregation era and the sharecropper economic model mirrored the master-slave relationship and only died out after the Second World War, when the relatively poor agricultural South became mechanized enough such that black labor was no longer profitable. No civil war and that is probably the timing for extinction of slavery - gradually, between 1945 and 1965.

Posted by: Ted Torgerson at May 31, 2021 11:34 AM (/aiGx)

240 *peeks in*

Anything that is given is not earned. No matter how noble the words sound, if it was tossed out there to be snagged by anyone then where is the satisfaction of earning such? It is nowhere for it is as hollow as the words that justify the actions of the tyrant who tosses out that bread.

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 31, 2021 11:35 AM (Cbjvl)

241 If slavery did not exist would the civil war have happened? No.

Without slavery - the South industrializes agriculture. And the North still insists on tariffs to protect Northern mills from competition from English tooling. And you still get a civil war.

Slavery is a nice, convenient way to paper over a bunch of reasons why the South and Northeast - then as in now - are not compatible.

Posted by: L.I.B. at May 31, 2021 11:35 AM (+w/uO)

242 Amen.

Posted by: leber at May 31, 2021 11:35 AM (+og+2)

243 Some other issue may well have become the flashpoint.

Calling it a flashpoint obscures their sustained dedication toward maintaining and spreading it. The Buchanan commission I mentioned earlier foundered on one thing: not whether slavery would exist in the south (this was, sadly, always a given—even at its start the Republican Party was prone to pre-compromise), but whether slavery would be allowed to spread. They were not just unwilling to give up slavery, they were unwilling to let the rest of the country give up slavery.

The Democratic Party hasn’t changed much over the years.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at May 31, 2021 11:36 AM (CX3cf)

244 222 The Surrender of Lee to Grant at Appomattox was essentially a gentleman's agreement meant to heal the Country rather than for vengeance. However today's liberals and democrats intend to seek that vengeance after the fact and refight the Civil War

I will once again plug Appomattox, VA. Not only for the Appomattox CH NP but just for how beautiful the area is. It's east of Lynchburg and just south of the beautiful Blue Ridge Parkway. No, I don't live there. I'm for it though.

Posted by: Puddleglum at May 31, 2021 11:36 AM (Ikfsj)

245
nnn oo o o o oo d dddddddd

Posted by: will choose a nic later at May 31, 2021 11:37 AM (bTQ72)

246 Amen, Anna.

Posted by: SMH at May 31, 2021 11:37 AM (53ycu)

247 During the latter stages of the War of 1812, there was real concern in Washington that the New England states would secede and make a separate peace with England.
Posted by: Blutarski at May 31, 2021 11:28 AM (nnf6G)

Because of federal overreach it took a long time for me to really appreciate the concept of the country being a united bunch of nation states, and I'm older than Vic. Strangely enough it was meeting a French man in Iceland who asked me what state I was from for that to sink in.

Vermont was a particularly cantankerous addition.

Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at May 31, 2021 11:37 AM (y7DUB)

248 And by foreigners, they don't mean the common folk, but the preening graspers, social climbers, status seekers, courtiers and assorted other throne-sniffers, closet Monarchists all.
Posted by: JoeF. at May 31, 2021 11:30 AM (HrMC1)

And anti-semites
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 31, 2021 11:32 AM (85Gof)

Yup, goes with the territory.

Posted by: JoeF. at May 31, 2021 11:37 AM (HrMC1)

249
nnn oo o o o oo d dddddddd

this is code for nood

Posted by: will choose a nic later at May 31, 2021 11:38 AM (bTQ72)

250 Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 31, 2021 11:30 AM (Uh2oA)

This is true. Learned about this, in a round about way, from Thomas Sowell writing in Black Rednecks and White Liberals.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at May 31, 2021 11:44 AM (NeZ1b)

251 Born in California nearly 100 years after the Civil War, I have an equal number of relatives who fought on either side.
Folks didn't used to talk about it. It happened. The Union won. The issue was settled.
And then came the Marxists.

Posted by: setnaffa at May 31, 2021 12:28 PM (UtmPT)

252
Folks didn't used to talk about it. It happened. The Union won. The issue was settled. And then came the Marxists.Posted by: setnaffa

Same here. Most of my ancestors fought for the south but a large minority fought for the north.

Posted by: The Walking Dude at May 31, 2021 12:43 PM (cCxiu)

253 190 Blaster.
You badly missed my point, and the lecture is beneath a cogent adult.
I did not mention the articles of secession; they most certainly did pivot about the notion of slavery and of the lesser humanity of the slave. But that had nothing to do with Lincoln nor his leading role in both starting and continuing a war that killed nearly 1 million people.
I got back to you.
Now tell me "Don't. Just don't" again.

Posted by: Dan Patterson at May 31, 2021 12:50 PM (aBBMN)

254 A THIRD of Americans say they are NOT sure if sending troops to fight in World War II was the right decision, new poll reveals

I hate these sort of polls because it pretends that there is a hidden value system that everyone agrees with.

Rarely in life is there a clear "right" decision. There is a decision matrix where trade-offs are made where values are stratified with those who have the most political power deciding the values, the classification and the rationalizing for coming to the decision that benefits the Powers the most.

In this case, WWII was a multi-front war, are we supposed to conflate the Pacific with the European theater?

Yeah, blowing the hell out of every industrialized nation with the former United States remaining as capable of manufacturing and dominating industries may be the only consideration for WWII. The former United States was in a deep socialist-powered economic depression and needed to wipe out all industrial competitors in order to pull out of it.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at May 31, 2021 01:09 PM (DPj5h)

255 Slavery is a nice, convenient way to paper over a bunch of reasons why the South and Northeast - then as in now - are not compatible.

Looks like someone read real history books and didn't lazily accept the propaganda of the northern mercantilists.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at May 31, 2021 01:12 PM (DPj5h)

256 Slavery exist today in Mauritania.

But, evil white man...

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at May 31, 2021 01:12 PM (n/szn)

257 My great-uncle, William Lauenstein, lies in the Meuse-Argonne cemetery, killed on October 16th, 1918.

My great-great-grandfather didn't die in the Civil War, but did get to spend the last year in Andersonville. It damaged him enough he did receive a pension for the rest of his life.

I remember having a lot of trouble keeping from decking a fellow MLS student (and she was going into the school library program) telling us that we should never have been involved in WWII, and that was back in 1990. There are many idiots who have failed to learn history correctly and are therefore doomed.

Posted by: LibraryGryffon at May 31, 2021 01:51 PM (Nk96K)

258 53 49 If you get a chance to visit Gettysburg, I highly recommend it. I remember standing on the Confederate side next to the statue of Lee on traveler, looking out on the field where Pickett made his charge, and saying to myself "what were you thinking, General Lee?"
Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 31, 2021 10:31 AM (kTF2Z)

Apparently Lee was totally focused on the " decisive battle" that would bring victory.

If you are the side with less resources\people, your only real strategy is the "Decisive Battle". It's the other side that can rely on the "War of Attrition" approach.

Posted by: azjaeger at May 31, 2021 02:01 PM (3/XaG)

259 Paid the ultimate price...but it wasn't for "freedom." It was so they could get out...join a police force..issue someone a seatbelt ticket at taxpayer expense.

Calling it like it is.

Only YOU and ensure YOUR freedom.

Posted by: Secretaria de Seguridad Publica at May 31, 2021 02:08 PM (oAd4W)

260 Secretaria de Seguridad Publica at May 31, 2021 02:08 PM (oAd4W)

For some maybe, but hardly all.

Posted by: LibraryGryffon at May 31, 2021 02:26 PM (Nk96K)

261 147 Much of what passes as employment today in USA for illegals working on lawns and roofs isn't any different than slavery.

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 31, 2021 10:59 AM (yrol0)

Except that it's voluntary.
Posted by: JoeF. at May 31, 2021 11:01 AM (HrMC1)

Thank you, JoeF.

Posted by: m at May 31, 2021 02:28 PM (6dJKT)

262 God bless the American soldier, whether they wore Blue or Grey, who gave the ultimate sacrifice for their country, their beliefs or just for the man beside them.

Posted by: jkrevin at May 31, 2021 02:55 PM (v0Nna)

263 Thanks, Buck.

Posted by: KT at May 31, 2021 03:14 PM (BVQ+1)

264 90th Illinois Irish Regt
Neil Harrity my kin as folks down south say,
Battle of Missionary Ridge.
Later Wounded in NW GA and then survived Andersonville. God bless him,

Posted by: Sam at May 31, 2021 03:36 PM (YiAXR)

265 Screw those that worship that tyrant Lincoln who fought a war so he could allow West Virginia to leave Virginia and imprison over 50,000 people without trial. Such a saint. A man who killed a million people, that's right, the books only quote military deaths but leave out the tens of thousands killed by Lincoln's killers.

Almost every action of Lincoln's army violated the rules of war that existed then and were later adopted officially in the Geneva Accords.

So screw Lincoln. Show me where in the Constitution that a state cannot leave the Union. Hint, to ratify the Constitution three states demanded and received acknowledgement from all the states, that any state could leave the Union for any reason at any time.

Yeah and tell what other nation had to go to war to end slavery. The author is a brain addled moron.

Posted by: I am not corey Booker at May 31, 2021 08:54 PM (EcD5Y)

266 I never was an Abolitionist, not even what would be called anti-slavery, but I try to judge fairly & honestly and it became patent to my mind early in the rebellion that North and South could never live at peace with each other except as one nation; and that without Slavery. As anxious as I am to see peace re-established I would not therefore be wiling to see any settlement until this question is settled forever.

US grant.

Posted by: rcocean at May 31, 2021 10:16 PM (evE25)

267 My Great Grandfather Benjamin Lester, Pfc Indiana 35th Infantry, fought at Lookout Mountain and other battles in that area.

Posted by: Don at June 01, 2021 05:28 AM (fOZZY)

268 Yankee farm boys duped by wealthy New England fanatics to fight to overthrow the Constitutional order established by the Founders.

Posted by: Chicolini at June 01, 2021 07:49 AM (8vKmS)

269 One of the best college classes I ever took was Civil War and REconstruction. In it, we were assigned a Civil War unit to research - who was in it, where they fought, what they did. We learned to use the Civil War Atlas (I eventually got my own copy of it), and the Civil War records.
When you have followed a unit through their service years, you get to feel as though you know them. Their injuries and deaths become personal to you.
I would love to check out the official record for George Washington Carle, who fought in the Civil War for the Union. He enlisted 3 times (starting at age 41, with a family and children at home). He first joined the Calvary, but was wounded and sent home. He recovered, and re-joined, this time the Artillery, again wounded and was discharged and sent home. Again, re-joined, this time the Infantry. He lived until 102, active until the end.

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At Chattanooga National Cemetery, Where White Privilege Lies Buried Under The Sacred Sod
[Buck Throckmorton]