Gun Thread: Sunday Evening Edition! [Weasel]

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Howdy y'all! It's Sunday again! And what do we do on Sunday, oh, say around 7pm Eastern? Hmmm? You guessed it! It's time for the thread before the ONT! So let's gather 'round a burning tire, fight over a can of cat food, and remember the good old days! Okay, maybe I'm rushing things a wee bit. We're not at burning tire/cat food stage quite yet. We'll probably get there eventually but for now we can talk about guns 'n shooting, let's just be careful of who might overhear us and our wrongthink.

Oh, I swear I'm going to get back to making videos at the farm. I had a long spell this winter where I wasn't able to get down there other than for very quick trips, and I want to get back to producing videos at least every few weeks. I'm making them for you all, so please let me know if you have any particular requests or ideas regarding content. Handguns or rifles? Large caliber or small? Ammo tests? Without your input I'm just making stuff up as I go along, so think about it and let me know in the comments or by email.

And with that, let's get to wrongthinking below, shall we?

I have been writing about the need for practice a lot lately. Unfortunately, current ammo prices and availability make live-fire practice at best an expensive proposition and at worst, impractical. Some time ago I grabbed this exchange between our pals Ladyl and Jim SND out of the comments.

...It would be too basic for all you experts!
Posted by: Ladyl, Insurrectionist
Ma'am, d'ya know how a bunch of us "experts" got to get called "experts"?
By practicing the BASICS. Thousands and thousands of times, over.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim

The point our pal Jim is making is that shooting is a skill that requires a bigly lot of practice, as in thousands and thousands of rounds of practice, if it is something you want to be able to do consistently well. That's not an exaggeration. It took me years of study and practice both with and without an instructor to become proficient with a rifle. The same with handguns, too. I spent years going to the range for an hour or more at least once and sometimes twice per week, shooting countless rounds in the process. I cannot imagine how many total rounds. Take my word for it, though, a whole lot of practice and a whole lot of rounds downrange.

Conceptually, shooting is easy. Align the sights on the target and squeeze the trigger without moving the gun. That's all you need to do. Easy-peasey, right? Unfortunately, not so much. Being easy in concept and being easy in practice are two vastly different things. If you're just starting out, congratulations! You can make as much or as little of the sport as you like, and it doesn't require abilities such as speed or great strength to do successfully. I have had my ass absolutely handed to me on a rifle range by meek little grandmotherly types who smiled sweetly as they did it. What it does require is commitment, diligence and practice. Lots and lots of practice. Set goals for yourself and practice with a purpose towards those goals. Bad day at the range? Make whatever was giving you trouble the last time you were at the range the first thing you work on the next time. Keep notes and your targets and study them.

As I was learning to shoot, sometimes ammo was plentiful and relatively inexpensive, and sometimes it was expensive and hard to come by. Eventually it occurred to me to buy whenever I could and not worry too much at the ups and downs of the ammo market, which leads us to today. Obviously you cannot shoot what you don't have or cannot buy. I get it. But that doesn't mean throw up your hands and give up on shooting and practicing your gun handling skills.

First, make certain your basic self-defense needs are covered, and frankly that's probably something on the order of 10 to 20 rounds, total. Really, how often are you getting into gunfights? If you find yourself regularly going through 20+ rounds in this fashion, you may have other problems which need to be addressed. Next comes your supply of practice ammo, and I have never been one to subscribe to the "only shoot your carry ammunition" school of thought. It's sounds cool when discussed on internet shooting forums, but honestly I don't know of anyone who is paying for their own ammunition and actually only practices with their carry ammo. I have fancy hollow point stuff for self-defense and just buy regular ol' ball ammo for practice. As a matter of fact I sometimes carry regular ol' ball ammo. Anyhoo...

So what happens if you cannot source ammunition reliably? Shooting skills are perishable, and must be practiced to maintain proficiency. Live fire is best, and as we have discussed, some practice is better than no practice at all. So you may be forced to rely on little or no live fire, and instead practice with training tools such as the Strikeman System, or even other drills, such as the Penny Drill, described below.

When ammo is short, make it a habit to continue practicing so your muscle memory and grip mechanics do not fade altogether. If it helps, set aside a time each week and spend as little as 20 minutes on gun handling. If you haven't already done so, consider .22LR rifles or handguns for live fire. They are fun, relatively inexpensive to shoot, and require the same skill set as larger calibers. I am not making this up. That is frequently all that I shoot for funsies when I'm at the farm.

So what have you done to maintain proficiency? Have you had to adjust your practice routine due to a lack of ammo, and if so, what are you doing to supplement your range time?

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First up, we have a great range report from our pal and delightful 'ette all doubt removed who is mostly a lurker, but who we're hoping will come out of the shadows of Canadian lurkerdom and continue to contribute!

My husband and I finally made it to the indoor 50 yard range. I have to get more familiar with my Tikka T1X .22lr and the scope, breathing, body position and everything else that affects accuracy and precision but I'm getting there. I'm at the "consistently inconsistent" stage but less inconsistent each time. Yay!
I posted in the Gun Thread recently that I hoped to get to the range and report back with 5 shots all in the same place. As you can see from the photo, I did it - or as close as I'll ever get. The grouping is 1/2" x 1/2" on a 1.5cm metric grid and came on my last 5 shots of the day so I guess practice, practice, practice really is key.

See? SEE? DO YOU SEE, PEOPLE?? Practice! With a .22! Will you just look at that group!! Our pal all doubt removed set a goal and practiced with a purpose! Very nicely done!

Annie Oakley continues...

A bit of background - We had talked about getting into target shooting for a while but never got that far. One local range only allowed people with Canada's Possession and Acquisition License (PAL) in and the other allowed non-licensed people in as guests of PAL holders. As neither of us had a PAL or knew anyone with one, shooting remained on the backburner.
Last May, Justin Trudeau announced the gun ban and that's when we decided it was now or never to get our PALs so we signed up for the course, which included licensing for non-restricted (think hunting rifles) and restricted (think handguns and scary black "military-style assault" weapons, at least the ones that didn't get banned). It took the RCMP almost 5 months to approve us, which I've heard is quite speedy and we're now the proud holders of both licenses.

Congratulations, and great shooting all doubt removed! Thanks for sending this for us all to appreciate!

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Not to be outdone, our pal Gouverneur Morris reports on a recent range trip:

New gun owner (Glock 43), fifth time shooting using personal instruction, and I have progressed from very nervous picking up a gun to loving the time on the range. Today I shot 2 boxes of ammo, the most at one session so far. My rule is shoot 1 box, buy 2.
This was the first time using the 4 circle target. I am right handed, left eye dominant and had difficulty with focusing on the right side circles. The regular body outline target seemed easier after that. I practiced one-handed right; and for the first time, one-handed left. Both targets were at 21 feet.
I will practice dry fire before my next session in 2 weeks. Great day on the range.

Nice shooting Gouverneur Morris, and I like the shoot 1, buy 2 strategy, as well. Have you considered making trips between sessions with an instructor to work on what you have learned? Very nicely done and thank you for sending this in!

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Next, our pal Picric recently attended a concealed carry permit class in North Carolina, and was nice enough to send us a report.

On Saturday I went to my CCW class for a NC CCW permit. All went well, it was an 8 hour course total, the instructor is a teacher with my Wife. We began with a quick history lesson on Firearms the evolution from the Flintlock to primer caps to modern cartridge pistols, her husband is an avid collector of guns and had many original guns and a few reproductions. Almost all of them were in the strange or unusual variety.
I was pleasantly surprised at the others in the class. There were 11 of us in all. 4 couples of newlyweds or engaged in mid to late 20's, two were young men also in the mid 20's, and Me in my mid 20's (plus or Minus 20 years or so). One was from New York and had just had a death in his family and the CCW class was the easiest way to transfer the guns from New York to NC, but all of us had an interest in carrying for self defense.
After that we sat down and went over all the difference in Revolvers, and Semi-automatic pistols the strengths and weakness of each, the caliber differences, how to find what caliber your gun uses. Next gun safety and practical gun operation, then Lunch and some practice with a laser gun bullet target.
She also had targets that would register hits on a target with the laser so you could see how you did without having to go out and use the range. After that we sat back down and went over laws for NC, the Castle Doctrine, and what to do if and when you are pulled over by the police. You can lose your CCW permit if you do not produce your CCW Permit with your ID whether you have your gun on you or not. Next we took our written test which we all passed, but the wording on several of the questions really threw me off, and finally we out back to the target range to shoot.
The Distances were 5 yards, 10 Yards and 15 Yards, 10 shots at each one. I had my EC9, but I only had one 7 round magazine, so to keep myself from reloading at each distance, I borrowed one of the "Loaner Guns" offered by the instructor, since there were 3 magazines with 10 rounds in each loaded and ready and I am so glad I did. I used a Ruger Mark 2 (0.22) with an odd handle grip, hard to explain but it had a raised place for the right thumb to go, that made the grip on the gun quite nice. I will be looking for one or the new Mark 4's in the future. Hard to see on the picture below, but 29 shots are in the center, and one on the 9 area at 8 o'clock location. We all qualified shooting, and that was the end of the course.
I came home, got on-line and registered for my appointment for the Sheriff, for August 13. That is the earliest appointment I could get to fill out my paperwork and let the wait begin.

Nice shooting, Picric and congratulations on passing the class! Damn, first available slot was in August? Just shows how many new permit holders there are. Thanks for the great report!

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Next up our pal Javems reminds us that it's not only ammo prices which have gone through the roof, but that reloading prices used to lower as well.

*SIGH* Now Weasel is sad.

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Free Targets

If you have ammo to shoot, our pal redc1c4 found some free printable target examples at Pew Pew Tactical. Follow this LINK and print them at home.

Thanks redc1c4!

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When Jerry Miculek speaks, Weasel listens.

'Jer' covers a couple of things in this that had never really occurred to me, and which all revolver owners should consider. I try to generally treat my guns kindly and just think it's just a commonsense practice. How about you all?

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A question I'm asked at least once a week in Gun Thread email is whether or not I use hand grenades and propane tanks for cooking hamburgers at WeaselAcres. I'm going to have to admit that despite the method's popularity I do not, only because pine trees and fiery explosions do not mix. I also don't want to anger CBD by stepping on his Food Thread's toes. I was happy, however, to find someone else has tackled the issue.

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Next we have a very cool website on handmade wooden guns sent in by our pal Floun der. Amazing work! I bet WeaselWoman would love a wooden model of one of my match guns for our anniversary!

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$10 Glock?

Running this again from last week because it seems the limit of 100 total chances aren't yet sold out.

Finally, we have a very worthy cause sent to us by our pal and delightful 'ette Teresa in Fort Worth

Our youngest daughter's private school - for students with Down syndrome and other intellectual disabilities - is holding an online fundraiser this year. One of the raffle items is a Glock 45. The school got caught flat-footed by the COVID stuff, so they are scrambling to raise funds this year. This is Rebecca's 12th year at the school, and she will be able to continue here the rest of her life, as they have adult programs in place as well. It has been a life saver for our family!

Here's a link to the school website Green Oaks Education and Support, Inc., and a link to the raffle, so get out your credit cards, give bigly by supporting a great cause, and maybe win a Glock 45!

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I'm adding another ammo and gun vendor to the list this week, Bud's Gun Shop. Bud's has been around for a while, and I have purchased a number of guns from them, all without issue. Each arrived in as-advertised condition, completing a smooth transaction, and I do not hesitate in recommending them. The prices were almost always the best to be found. I noticed this week they are advertising ammunition for sale, and while it ain't cheap, it's at least for sale. Have a look.

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Link-O-Rama

I'm really very seriously not kidding around anymore. Buy Ammo
AmmoSeek - online ammo search tool
GunBot - online ammo search tool
SG Ammo
Palmetto State Armory
Georgia Arms
AmmoMan
Target Sports USA
Bud's Gun Shop

***Mail Bag***

This week we have a great entry from our pal WTM Obviously his copy of The Deplorable Gourmet was too highly prized to desecrate in this fashion!

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That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

Posted by: Open Blogger at 07:00 PM

Comments

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1 Yeah Buddy

Posted by: That Guy What Always says Yeah Buddy TM at March 21, 2021 07:00 PM (R5lpX)

2 Surrounded by gray.

Posted by: That Guy What Always says Yeah Buddy TM at March 21, 2021 07:01 PM (R5lpX)

3 To much gun smoke
Cease Fire, Cease Fire!

Posted by: Skip at March 21, 2021 07:01 PM (Cxk7w)

4 And the skies are gray

Posted by: That Guy What Always says Yeah Buddy TM at March 21, 2021 07:03 PM (R5lpX)

5 Congratulations, and great shooting all doubt removed! Thanks for sending this for us all to appreciate!

Dayum!!! I guess! I sure have a long way to go.

Posted by: Jewells45 at March 21, 2021 07:03 PM (nxdel)

6 Okay did Italicans invade the gun thread or was that my fault?

Posted by: Jewells45 at March 21, 2021 07:03 PM (nxdel)

7 Italians have ruined many a good thread.

Posted by: That Guy What Always says Yeah Buddy TM at March 21, 2021 07:04 PM (R5lpX)

8 Italicans

Posted by: That Guy What Always says Yeah Buddy TM at March 21, 2021 07:05 PM (R5lpX)

9 Yes I did get to range
Fired the entire session at 12 yesterday but was all over the place, bend mostly left and right.
The range has ammo but must shoot it off there, $29.95 for a box.
I plan to get the BB gun out and get practicing.
Also found 1 of my oldest mags jambs if all 7 rounds are loaded, 5 and it works fine. It is from mid 80s.

Posted by: Skip at March 21, 2021 07:05 PM (Cxk7w)

10 Guess I'll fetch the otters

Posted by: That Guy What Always says Yeah Buddy TM at March 21, 2021 07:05 PM (R5lpX)

11 Okay, not my fault. I escape the barrel yet again.

Posted by: Jewells45 at March 21, 2021 07:05 PM (nxdel)

12 See, it cleared up

Posted by: Skip at March 21, 2021 07:05 PM (Cxk7w)

13 Weasel!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 21, 2021 07:06 PM (kTF2Z)

14 So I've got Macallan 12, an Ave Maria Immaculata, and cello/piano concertos on the speaker.
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Now there's the gun thread?
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Not a bad evening after a weekend in which wins were few and far between.
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Wrapping it up like this is very nice.
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Thanks Weasel, thanks Horde.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, single and SuperStraight at March 21, 2021 07:07 PM (cvNl1)

15 9 is 12 yards not 12 yesterday, stupid auto cucumber

Posted by: Skip at March 21, 2021 07:07 PM (Cxk7w)

16 Hiya !

Posted by: JT at March 21, 2021 07:09 PM (arJlL)

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Posted by: kbdabear at March 21, 2021 07:09 PM (qAR6u)

18 OK everyone. The gray theme was only an alertness test. You passed.

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 07:10 PM (MVjcR)

19 Yo, gunnies!
Mega-Range time today!

Posted by: RI Red at March 21, 2021 07:10 PM (BnssO)

20 Moving this over here for NZFrank (using a sock or new nic):

186 Normally I only post on the gun thread , so sorry for going off thread but I am leaving the house soon to go and bury my dear Dad. God bless , and I will see you on the other side. Till Valhalla.
Posted by: Hardship with an M2 at March 21, 2021 05:16 PM

Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at March 21, 2021 07:11 PM (ju2Fy)

21 And Weasel, in that first pic . . .
You'll shoot your foot off!

Posted by: RI Red at March 21, 2021 07:11 PM (BnssO)

22 In the gun thread! Woot!
Great advice, Weasel, will do.

Posted by: Gouverneur Morris at March 21, 2021 07:11 PM (PHxng)

23 Howdy Duke and Washington Insider!

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 07:11 PM (MVjcR)

24 Ok, this weekend went to damn fast.
Hello Pew Pew thread!! No range report this weekend."all doubt removed" that is a helluva nice grouping. Keep at it
Now, I have a total of 25 rounds of self defense ammo that I keep at home. Hornady Critical Defense hollow point in 9mm. This ammo stays at home as the ranges I go to are in NJ and hollow point is illegal IIRC. I just stick with shooting the "practice" rounds I own or buy at the range. Though when you look at it 98% of the practice rounds can be used for self defense ammiright?

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 21, 2021 07:12 PM (QmcbX)

25 Planning on going to the range tomorrow. I hope they have ammo. This is getting ridiculous.

Posted by: Jewells45 at March 21, 2021 07:13 PM (nxdel)

26 Love that title for a hidden gun safe fake book.

Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at March 21, 2021 07:13 PM (Aashi)

27 am I an idiot for preferring simple iron sights?

Posted by: Dave at March 21, 2021 07:14 PM (KWYbg)

28 Recipes For Unexpected Guests. Snerted some Kraken on that one.

Posted by: Eromero at March 21, 2021 07:14 PM (gjvwR)

29 Looks like the USAF have opted for the M18 (as has the USMC).

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at March 21, 2021 07:14 PM (49Dnm)

30 Ammo prices are dropping and availability is way up, online, hasn't made it to stores yet. Currently on ammo seek, 9mm hundreds of offers starting at 49 cents, .380 82 cents, 223 63 cents. So there's that!!

Posted by: ck at March 21, 2021 07:14 PM (iBg56)

31 Though when you look at it 98% of the practice rounds can be used for self defense ammiright?

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 21, 2021 07:12 PM (QmcbX)

A jacketed round and a hollow point round in the x ring both kill the same, I wager.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, single and SuperStraight at March 21, 2021 07:15 PM (cvNl1)

32 27 am I an idiot for preferring simple iron sights?
Posted by: Dave at March 21, 2021 07:14 PM (KWYbg)
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No sir! And welcome to the Gun Thread!

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 07:15 PM (MVjcR)

33 Though when you look at it 98% of the practice rounds can be used for self defense ammiright?

Still gonna put a hole in em.

Posted by: Jewells45 at March 21, 2021 07:16 PM (nxdel)

34 27 am I an idiot for preferring simple iron sights?
Posted by: Dave at March 21, 2021 07:14 PM (KWYbg)

Nope. I'm using them on my rifle until I can get a red dot sight for it.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at March 21, 2021 07:16 PM (49Dnm)

35 am I an idiot for preferring simple iron sights?

Posted by: Dave at March 21, 2021 07:14 PM (KWYbg)

I would say no. Optics can fail, iron sights not so much (unless you want to use the barrel to hammer on things.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 21, 2021 07:16 PM (QmcbX)

36 Thanks!

Loving my .44 Henry and S&W wheel gun.
I'm just old fashioned.

Posted by: Dave at March 21, 2021 07:17 PM (KWYbg)

37 The last six months of winter in northern NH, range time has consisted of about 45 minutes on Sunday, shooting a couple of fouling shots, then two groups of five to compare new loads.
Today, with temps in a sweltering 50 degrees, I stayed four hours, shooting a sh*t load of .22 through my Ruger 10-22, the my Ruger SR-22 pistol. Damn, is .22 fun.
Then, 58 rounds of 6.5 Creedmoor at the 100 yd, then the 1100 yd range, first time since Dec.
I sucked!

Posted by: RI Red at March 21, 2021 07:17 PM (BnssO)

38 Jewells45

Anything of note happen today ?

Posted by: JT at March 21, 2021 07:17 PM (arJlL)

39 Missed last week due to working on a project. Good news is that this week, the brown truck of happiness has brought smokeless powder of different sorts which is good because due to the current high prices, I will be reloading a bit for even 9mm which I generally prefer not to do.

Ammo prices continue to snake downward a bit and more availability being seen for .223/5.56, 7.62x39,and 9mm in pistol rounds and firearms are coming back into stock online slowly. Primers are in short supply unless you want to pay nosebleed prices via Gunbroker. Rimfire is still scarce and pricey.

Posted by: whig at March 21, 2021 07:17 PM (pO7gM)

40 30 Ammo prices are dropping and availability is way up, online, hasn't made it to stores yet. Currently on ammo seek, 9mm hundreds of offers starting at 49 cents, .380 82 cents, 223 63 cents. So there's that!!
Posted by: ck at March 21, 2021 07:14 PM (iBg56)
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I haven't done a scientific study with math 'n stuff, but that's the vibe I'm getting too. Get while the getting is good.

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 07:18 PM (MVjcR)

41 37 Posted by: RI Red at March 21, 2021 07:17 PM (BnssO)

How ya doing Red? Must have been nice to clear the cobwebs from the sights. :-)

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 21, 2021 07:19 PM (QmcbX)

42 I bought ammo from The LuckyGunner. Weasel, do you know them? I think it was $.35 round for 22lr. It wasn't the lowest price but Jesse said it was better quality than the cheapest.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at March 21, 2021 07:20 PM (sd8p8)

43 If I'm ever forced to shoot someone (heaven forbid), it'll be with cheap steel cased ammo. My good stuff is for shooting paper, not scumbags.

Posted by: ck at March 21, 2021 07:20 PM (iBg56)

44 JT.. no and I'm getting frustrated. Can't imagine what she's going through. They are monitoring the baby so far no concerns but as of 10:30 tonight it will 24 hours since her water broke. I'm hoping for news tonight to share with everyone later. Prayers!!! Thanks so much for asking.

Posted by: Jewells45 at March 21, 2021 07:20 PM (nxdel)

45 No range report again.
Will hopefully do some shooting next weekend.

On basics, when I was an elite gymnast, every off season we would go back and drill basics. Forward somersaults and handstands. Thousands of repetitions. Muscle memory.

Posted by: nurse ratched at March 21, 2021 07:20 PM (U2p+3)

46 That old sleeve of large pistol primers price tag translates into $14/1K primers. Vs. the $30/1K which has been common for the last decade or so. Happened in '13 also, but the local online private primer prices for sale are something to behold. $150/1K, and some higher. Yowza.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 21, 2021 07:21 PM (OTzUX)

47 Haven't been to the range this week, but I did score a torque screwdriver to do my gub work.
Looking to take my 10/22 and my Ruger SR22 to the range next week because I just scored a brick of Amscor 22lr. Maybe run 100 rds through each.

Posted by: Old Blue - Round Headed Bald Kid at March 21, 2021 07:21 PM (VNmG1)

48 Scuba, it's nice to get out and send small packages of lead and copper in all directions.

Posted by: RI Red at March 21, 2021 07:22 PM (BnssO)

49 42 I bought ammo from The LuckyGunner. Weasel, do you know them? I think it was $.35 round for 22lr. It wasn't the lowest price but Jesse said it was better quality than the cheapest.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at March 21, 2021 07:20 PM (sd8p

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Howdy, Sharon. Yes, I have purchased from LG before. Listen to Jesse, he won't steer you wrong.

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 07:22 PM (MVjcR)

50 27 Dave,
Within about 100 yards or so, iron sights can be pretty competitive depending on eye sight, what you are trying to do with the firearm, and type of iron sights. Because I learned to shoot that way, I prefer good iron sights over scopes until I get to 100 yards or more in centerfire and on handguns, iron sights are still the default for me rather than red dots or holos.

Posted by: whig at March 21, 2021 07:22 PM (pO7gM)

51 Posted by: RI Red at March 21, 2021 07:11 PM (BnssO)
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Howdy, bro! Glad to hear you're getting out!

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 07:23 PM (MVjcR)

52 We're not at burning tire/cat food stage quite yet

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I'm guessing you haven't priced cat food lately.

I'm sticking with spam and Dinty Moore.

Posted by: Lysenko - click here for your covid vaccine documentation and directions at March 21, 2021 07:23 PM (Fq7SF)

53 48 Scuba, it's nice to get out and send small packages of lead and copper in all directions.
Posted by: RI Red at March 21, 2021 07:22 PM (BnssO)

At a high rate of speed I trust?

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at March 21, 2021 07:23 PM (49Dnm)

54 I own no optics, don't even have any fiber optic thingamajiggies for front sights (though considering those for the XD9).

For my interests, and my eyes, this has worked so far. Interests not likely to change much, but if/when the eyes do, I'll have to look into glasses to fix it.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 21, 2021 07:24 PM (OTzUX)

55 ck @ 43- I usually carry defense ammo and shoot fmj at the range but I'm starting to think along the lines just buying and shooting fmj and keeping the defense stuff for in the home. I mean nobody's ever complained about being shot with fmj as opposed to defense ammo.

Posted by: Eromero at March 21, 2021 07:24 PM (gjvwR)

56 Scuba, it's nice to get out and send small packages of lead and copper in all directions.

Posted by: RI Red at March 21, 2021 07:22 PM (BnssO)

Ummm, what kind of range do you go to? I would be worried being in the stand next to you. LOL

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 21, 2021 07:24 PM (QmcbX)

57 Nurse R, you do know the rules. You know, gymnastics and pics. It's in the AOS Handbook. And Cookbook.

Posted by: RI Red at March 21, 2021 07:24 PM (BnssO)

58
Posted by: Old Blue - Round Headed Bald Kid at March 21, 2021 07:21 PM (VNmG1)
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OB - make sure you pay attention to the torque specs. Most gun work is in inch pounds.

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 07:24 PM (MVjcR)

59 I'm making them for you all, so please let me know if you have any particular requests or ideas regarding content.

Hmmm, Does Scorsese take requests?
Methinks thou doth be spreddin' butter.
Brother.

Posted by: Braenyard, starving the beast at March 21, 2021 07:24 PM (/tW+K)

60 Wow! RI Red and I think alike! Sadly, 25 yds is all I can manage at the indoor range I go to up in Broomfield, and I'm too lazy to drive the 50 miles one way to shoot at an outdoor range I'm not a member of.

Posted by: Old Blue - Round Headed Bald Kid at March 21, 2021 07:25 PM (VNmG1)

61 Looks like 5.56mm is around the 0.76-0.80 per round range.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at March 21, 2021 07:25 PM (49Dnm)

62 Figured out I paid $.60 a round but as said had to shoot it all, last time he was going to sell me 2 boxes, this time 1 was maximum. Next time I get that way want to take the Colt Trooper 357

Posted by: Skip at March 21, 2021 07:26 PM (Cxk7w)

63 JEWELLS -

Prayers up (Still !)

Posted by: JT at March 21, 2021 07:26 PM (arJlL)

64 I second Weasel's recommendation of Bud's Gun Shop. I've bought 4 firearms from them over the past several years - all hassle free transfers to my local FFL, all in pristine condition, shipped fast. They usually have what I'm looking for in stock at the best prices. Good outfit.

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at March 21, 2021 07:27 PM (bAe71)

65 Weasel, that's why I bought this specific torque wrench/screwdriver. Calibrated in inch/pounds from 10 to 100. High tech digital even.

Posted by: Old Blue - Round Headed Bald Kid at March 21, 2021 07:28 PM (VNmG1)

66 54 Posted by: rhomboid at March 21, 2021 07:24 PM (OTzUX)

I have a nice bright front sight on my Sig. I really like it. Works nicely in dim conditions. And I will say, without corrective lenses (contacts in my case) my eyesight sucks. So the visibility of the front sight really helps.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 21, 2021 07:28 PM (QmcbX)

67 Lucky Gunner's fine, .35/round a for 22LR is ..... what it is. Wow. But a modest amount of ammo bought at panic prices will come out in the wash, overall, when it comes to the personal finances of most.

And that's without adaptation.

Hell, cut your cable and that alone will allow you to buy .... a 1K brick of 22LR .... twice a year, and be even. Yikes.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 21, 2021 07:28 PM (OTzUX)

68 Jewells do they make you buy ammo there? I don't grok not calling gun shops and buying ammo before going to the range.

Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at March 21, 2021 07:28 PM (Aashi)

69 Enjoying a nice AJ Fernandez Ramon Allones Maduro this evening.

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 07:28 PM (MVjcR)

70 5 Weasel, that's why I bought this specific torque wrench/screwdriver. Calibrated in inch/pounds from 10 to 100. High tech digital even.
Posted by: Old Blue - Round Headed Bald Kid at March 21, 2021 07:28 PM (VNmG1)
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Good man. Just making sure!

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 07:29 PM (MVjcR)

71 Enjoying a nice AJ Fernandez Ramon Allones Maduro this evening.

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 07:28 PM (MVjcR)

It's nice ending the day with a good cigar, yes?

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, single and SuperStraight at March 21, 2021 07:31 PM (cvNl1)

72 Good man. Just making sure!

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 07:29 PM (MVjcR)

Hey now! I'm learning from the best. You and all the other gunners on this here thread. This place is like the encyclopedia to me.

Posted by: Old Blue - Round Headed Bald Kid at March 21, 2021 07:31 PM (VNmG1)

73 Pale Rider yes I buy the ammo there because I don't to burn through what I have. They always have some behind the counter to shoot with but twice now I've gone and they didn't have any. I can call ahead which is what I will do tomorrow.

Posted by: Jewells45 at March 21, 2021 07:31 PM (nxdel)

74
It's nice ending the day with a good cigar, yes?
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, single and SuperStraight at March 21, 2021 07:31 PM (cvNl1)
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Absolutely!

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 07:32 PM (MVjcR)

75 Weasel! Boss! Range Report "#2"!
Shot 5 rounds of concentric brass 140 g. Hornady 140 ELD-Match against neck-turned-to .0013 thickness 5 rounds of concentric brass 140 g. Hornady 140 ELD-Match.
Both shot well, but the neck turned was slightly wider. Damn.
Howsomever, both groups were tighter than those of late. Sorting bullets by weight and ogive does indeed work.

Posted by: RI Red at March 21, 2021 07:32 PM (dlYqt)

76 Beautiful but uneventful duty day at the range this week, but unfortunately not a lot of shooting. Just a little practice with the CZ-83, and some sighting in with one of the M1s.

Which was for this morning, an action rifle match. And I couldn't sleep last night, so no match. Furious.

Didn't get a chance to chat with Border Patrol, but I can just imagine morale at the moment.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 21, 2021 07:32 PM (OTzUX)

77 Note: I just went out to the gun store to work out a sense of how to budget for an M18 purchase (see #29). The cupboard was bare at the gun store I visited. That being said, the M18 there was going for MSRP: $1099 for one. I'll be saving up the money to get one, hopefully by the end of the year. And with any luck prices may have come down at that point.

Interesting thing about the M18 vs the M17. You'd think the M18 would be more compact with a shorter barrel. But the mag is bigger, so you COULD carry the M18 concealed, but it would print like mad. (And on that score I'm not worried about the cops in TX thanks to open carry; what I AM worried about is losing the deterrence factor that comes with carrying concealed.)

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at March 21, 2021 07:33 PM (49Dnm)

78 I do not put optics on handguns, most I will go is Trigicons on a pistol maybe. Optics are for long guns (old eyes), most of my long guns shoot much further than my eyes do.

Posted by: Eromero at March 21, 2021 07:33 PM (gjvwR)

79 Posted by: Old Blue - Round Headed Bald Kid at March 21, 2021 07:31 PM (VNmG1)
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We're lucky to have a bunch of very knowledgeable regulars.

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 07:33 PM (MVjcR)

80 Right now, the niche and slower moving ammo is what is suffering. .30-06 is extremely expensive when you can get it. .308 has okay prices and availability. Even hunting rifle brass, other than .308 or .223, is short on supply.

As for me, I will be shooting reloads in handguns probably for the next six months or so and shooting a bit of rimfire and reloads for rifle calibers.

Posted by: whig at March 21, 2021 07:33 PM (pO7gM)

81 Rhomboid, considering how much ammo I,ve already shot without paying anything, I was grateful to be able to replenish the kitty. I am so blessed that I have a place to shoot outdoors with two real experts to help me learn. This experience has really changed my life. That is no exaggeration.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at March 21, 2021 07:33 PM (sd8p8)

82 Y'know, 'bout the only thing better than an Honorable Mention from Weasel in the Gun Thread, is this here plate of (made from scratch) Steak & Guinness Pie which The Real Iris has so graciously just now placed before me.

Priorities being what they are, I'll rejoin the thread in about thirty minutes or so. If I'm able, that is. This dish will get you seriously into the food coma zone.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at March 21, 2021 07:34 PM (QzJWU)

83
Both shot well, but the neck turned was slightly wider. Damn.
Howsomever, both groups were tighter than those of late. Sorting bullets by weight and ogive does indeed work.
Posted by: RI Red at March 21, 2021 07:32 PM (dlYqt)
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Good deal. That will almost completely eliminate flyers.

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 07:34 PM (MVjcR)

84 With the longer daylight, I gotta stay after hours next duty day. Will finally manage to smoke a cigar, and can work some steel hanging targets, with movement (from the low-ready, no drawing from the holster, club has major fixation with that - but drawing I can practice at home if I care to).

Posted by: rhomboid at March 21, 2021 07:35 PM (OTzUX)

85 I had a glass of Laphroaig and yes don't try and mix it with anything

Posted by: Skip at March 21, 2021 07:35 PM (Cxk7w)

86 Posted by: Jim at March 21, 2021 07:34 PM (QzJWU)
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Dig in, brother!

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 07:36 PM (MVjcR)

87 Jim, you have your priorities in the right order.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at March 21, 2021 07:37 PM (sd8p8)

88 Jewells45, my niece had some problems with her little girl during this covid crap. I told them all, no more babies. Uncle Dartist is bald enough worrying for you damn kids. I hope everything goes well for you guys soon.

Posted by: dartist at March 21, 2021 07:37 PM (+ya+t)

89 Posted by: RI Red at March 21, 2021 07:32 PM (dlYqt)
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Red, I can't recall. Are you using Lapin brass?

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 07:38 PM (MVjcR)

90 Lapin = LAPUA

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 07:38 PM (MVjcR)

91 Judas Priest, was trying to write a post but kept getting blocked.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 21, 2021 07:39 PM (QmcbX)

92 Passed sporting goods on the way to hardware at WallyWorld.

One box of 28ga shot.
Bet it's the same box that was there last month.

Posted by: Braenyard, starving the beast at March 21, 2021 07:39 PM (/tW+K)

93 91 Judas Priest, was trying to write a post but kept getting blocked.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 21, 2021 07:39 PM (QmcbX)
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The blog is angry.

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 07:40 PM (MVjcR)

94 Thanks dartist.

Posted by: Jewells45 at March 21, 2021 07:40 PM (nxdel)

95 Old Blue, if I was forced to only have the 10-22 and the SR 22, I would survive. Everyone knows the 10-22 is the best all-round 22 rifle.
The SR 22 looks and feels like about 90% of semi-auto pistols out there. Great for training, or putting a big old smile on a new shooter, or an old.

Posted by: RI Red at March 21, 2021 07:40 PM (dlYqt)

96 Catch Thirty-Thr33 @ 77- Yeah, that's like the G19X developed for the military trials. Weird duck with a G17 frame and a G19 slide. Didn't like them, didn't want one. So I bought a G45 which is the same damn thing only black, actually conceals pretty good on my gangly angular frame.

Posted by: Eromero at March 21, 2021 07:40 PM (gjvwR)

97 Powder Valley, a prime seller of reloading components, has an interesting story out on their website about the great primer shortage. Basically, do not expect much improvement over the next 6 months at the least. Remington's bankruptcy has worsened a primer and ammo shortage due to Remington had to pay cash for components before the end. Vista Group (Speer, Federal, CCI) bought Remington's ammo and component business (except Sierra bought Barnes bullets) but have been slower than anticipated in taking over the Remington ammo plant at Lonoke, AR and just in February completed bringing back laid off employees.
We are also not seeing foreign primers being imported either which happened in the past.

Posted by: whig at March 21, 2021 07:40 PM (pO7gM)

98 Kick it, cabron!

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at March 21, 2021 07:40 PM (RGDf7)

99
g'early evenin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at March 21, 2021 07:41 PM (sRrkC)

100 73 Posted by: Jewells45 at March 21, 2021 07:31 PM

When I go to the indoor range that sells ammo I will buy a box from them. I have started renting guns from the so I can try different makes and models. I will use the ammo I buy from them in the rentals and my own ammo I will put through my Sig.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 21, 2021 07:41 PM (QmcbX)

101 I haven't shot anything but reloads out of handguns for ..... close to a decade. A few "familiarization" rounds with self-defense rounds, after which I use my own special reloads that I attempt to make replicate the felt recoil of those factory rounds. Other than that, all mine.

Have ample "reserves" of factory, occasionally dip into those slightly for new/guest shooters (nobody shoots my reloads except me).

Posted by: rhomboid at March 21, 2021 07:42 PM (OTzUX)

102 Hello peeps of the bangsticks.

I am going to the range next week, and by that I mean going to South Carolina.

Come shooting with us? Where? Backyard.

Oh, okay.

I am thinking I really can't leave Northern Virginia soon enough.

Posted by: blaster at March 21, 2021 07:43 PM (ZfRYq)

103 Posted by: whig at March 21, 2021 07:40 PM (pO7gM)
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Powder Valley is a good outfit. I've purchased a lot of components from them over the years.

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 07:43 PM (MVjcR)

104 The weather was beautiful in Michigan this weekend, best of 2021 so far, so of course it was time to return to the undisclosed private range!

One of our participants actually went so far as to do a cylinder dump with his revolver, and when everyone stared at him in surprise, he said: "Yeah, I'm not going to waste ammo like that often, but it felt good - kind of like lighting a cigar with a $100 bill."

It felt great to get back into our system of drills. I've been husbanding my .380 all winter and shooting .32 instead, so this was the big chance to let the PK 380 have something to eat and it did not disappoint.

The best part was one of my daughters came out and showed she was still handy with a Beretta Cheetah. Some of the Michigan Morons know what I'm talking about. We rounded out the session by obliterating a couple of water jugs with .44 Magnum JHP - which is technically cheaper to shoot than .38 Special right now.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at March 21, 2021 07:44 PM (llXky)

105 I had a question last week about TexMoMe that may have been answered and I missed. Is tent camping a thing there?

Posted by: blaster at March 21, 2021 07:44 PM (ZfRYq)

106 Lapua brass? You think I was born with a brass spoon in my mouth??
Plain old Hornady, annealed every single d*mn reload. I'm at over 1100 rounds through this barrel and am approaching 9 or 10 reloads on some of my brass. No stress showing anywhere.

Posted by: RI Red at March 21, 2021 07:44 PM (dlYqt)

107
I will be waiting

POTUS/TOTUS can not hide

Posted by: The Stairs at March 21, 2021 07:45 PM (r4bSV)

108 Thanks for putting my range report in the Gun Thread, Weasel.

Hopefully with the weather getting better, I'll be able to get to the outdoor range and try 100 or 200 yards, maybe even 300.

Posted by: all doubt removed at March 21, 2021 07:45 PM (S2eH9)

109 Posted by: blaster at March 21, 2021 07:44 PM (ZfRYq)
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I think Ben Had responded. Yes!

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 07:45 PM (MVjcR)

110 Murphy loves us and has a law to cover us for every occasion. Just as the weather is warming up and I have recovered enough from cardiac surgery to do some shooting, I find I have to have surgery to keep my eyelid from forcing the eyelashes to rub on my cornea - first one eye, several weeks to heal, then the other eye. It could be May before I can shoot. Yay. /s

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at March 21, 2021 07:45 PM (bAe71)

111 Posted by: all doubt removed at March 21, 2021 07:45 PM (S2eH9)
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Thank you for sending it in!!!

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 07:46 PM (MVjcR)

112 whig I mentioned that blog post at PowderValley, if it's the same one, a while back - thanks for bringing it up, it is quite interesting for anyone interested in the industrial background to current shortages. The post made a broad claim that imports (Europe) would not help ease the primer shortage this time, unlike '13 and after - but apart from brief discussion of the Russian case (Tulammo and Wolf, to those who reload), there was no explanation as to why Fiocchi, S&B, Ginex, et al would not be factors in supply this time.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 21, 2021 07:46 PM (OTzUX)

113 91 Judas Priest, was trying to write a post but kept getting blocked.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 21, 2021 07:39 PM (QmcbX)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L397TWLwrUU

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at March 21, 2021 07:46 PM (49Dnm)

114 I see an interesting movement in ammo prices. Online prices have moved in the popular calibers from $1/pop (swidt?) to like .60-.70/per.

Meanwhile, Armslist, at least local to me, has moved to $1.25ish/per.

Weird. Of course, I am noting that the online sellers are out by the time I find out about their sales.

Posted by: blaster at March 21, 2021 07:47 PM (ZfRYq)

115 Posted by: RI Red at March 21, 2021 07:44 PM (dlYqt)
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Try it sometime. You will find the neck wall thickness is very consistent at .015"

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 07:47 PM (MVjcR)

116 RI Red, I lurve lurve lurve my 10/22. I've had some issues with misfires on the first round out of my SR22. I broke it down and cleaned it, the feed ramp was filthy (I hadn't cleaned it since I bought it), so I'm hoping that might have been the issue. I'll find out this week. If I were confident that it would go bang on the first round, I'd use it as a casual carry weapon.

Posted by: Old Blue - Round Headed Bald Kid at March 21, 2021 07:47 PM (VNmG1)

117 Jim SND @ 82- YO, could you get the lovely and talented Iris to text me that Steak and Guinness Pie recipe? You done flung a cravin' on me.

Posted by: Eromero at March 21, 2021 07:47 PM (gjvwR)

118 I think Ben Had responded. Yes!
Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 07:45 PM (MVjcR)

Cool! This starts to look more and more like a happening for us then.

Posted by: blaster at March 21, 2021 07:47 PM (ZfRYq)

119
I had a question last week about TexMoMe that may have been answered and I missed. Is tent camping a thing there?

Posted by: blaster at March 21, 2021 07:44 PM (ZfRYq)

IIRC the answer was yes. Trying to bring up last weeks thread but the gremlins are slowing things down.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 21, 2021 07:48 PM (QmcbX)

120 I scored a lb of W 748. It was part of a $20 lot Mrs IMG and I put together at an auctioneer's parking lot sale. Given the other stuff we got, I'd say the powder's share was about $2. That should get me just shy of 300 rds of .223 reloads

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at March 21, 2021 07:48 PM (8C7+r)

121 Cool! This starts to look more and more like a happening for us then.

Posted by: blaster at March 21, 2021 07:47 PM (ZfRYq)
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Excellent!

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 07:48 PM (MVjcR)

122 Lapin = LAPUA
Posted by: Weasel

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Interestingly, I think Lapin is a counterfeit Lego out of China that got in some legal trouble for being TOO counterfeit. It was apparently reaching Lego-level of quality but without the Lego stamping on each brick.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was coming out of the same factories.

Posted by: Lysenko - donate your guns to a no questions, records, or receipts gun buy back at March 21, 2021 07:49 PM (mlBAr)

123 Weasel: i sent you and Ben Had an e-mail last week about reserving a rifle clinic slot for Resident 3vil @ the MoMe this year...

i told her about it over dinner when she was home this weekend, and she's looking forward to it, after i explained what all was involved. i also had a few questions about caliber restrictions on the range, if you have time to dig out the e-mail and get back to me.

Posted by: redc1c4 (*OTUS Zhou Bai-Din Cheated) at March 21, 2021 07:50 PM (fPTiZ)

124 AH Lloyd, cylinder dump on a revolver? That's just sad.
But I understand.

Posted by: RI Red at March 21, 2021 07:50 PM (dlYqt)

125
Posted by: redc1c4 (*OTUS Zhou Bai-Din Cheated) at March 21, 2021 07:50 PM (fPTiZ)
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Got it amigo, will do.

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 07:50 PM (MVjcR)

126 Looks like I'll be getting the sight back in my right eye this week so I should have a range report soon.

*Knocks on wood*

Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 21, 2021 07:51 PM (kTF2Z)

127 I had an outstanding gun week. I did a build with my cousin Tuesday night, took him to the indoor range Wed and my range Thurs. I did a three way trade and ended up with a brand new SAR9 pistol. It's now my favorite pistol, fits my hand so well and so easy to disassemble that an AR guy can do it!! To top it all off, on Fri, Midway had NATO large rifle primers for about 10 mins. and an hour later they had small ones for about 10 mins, limit of one. $72 and $60, I have to hand it to Midway, that's normal price for NATO primers!!!

Posted by: ck at March 21, 2021 07:51 PM (iBg56)

128 rhomboid,
I generally reload for the more rare cartridges in rifle or handgun and simply save the brass from more regular cartridges like 5.56/.30-06/9mm/.30-30/7.62x39 in the good times.

I actively dislike reloading for 9mm or .380 ACP and until about March of last year, it was cheaper to buy range blasting ammo and keep the brass rather than reloading. Revolver reloads, though and some specialty AR rounds like the 6.8 SPC or 6.5 Grendel were worth reloading even before the ammo shortage. I also can and have reloaded 7.62x39 which I did for the last ammo shortage. Of all the significant accuracy advantages in reloading, I see a great gap between the Russian/Yugo/wherever blasting ammo and the accuracy of my 7.62x39 reloads. It is a pretty doggone accurate cartridge, so much so that I built an AR to shoot the stuff after getting good results in a SKS.

Posted by: whig at March 21, 2021 07:51 PM (pO7gM)

129
I see an interesting movement in ammo prices. Online prices have moved
in the popular calibers from $1/pop (swidt?) to like .60-.70/per.

Posted by: blaster at March 21, 2021 07:47 PM (ZfRYq)

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For the last couple of weeks supply was increasing but now it seems to be falling again. I notice there seem to be 'waves' in availability, like a cargo ship arrived from Europe or something and now everyone's got plenty of Fiocchi or PPU.

I'm still haunted by the memory of seeing *corrosive* Tokarev ammo for $1.50 a round. Seriously, what the hell?

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at March 21, 2021 07:52 PM (llXky)

130 96 Catch Thirty-Thr33 @ 77- Yeah, that's like the G19X developed for the military trials. Weird duck with a G17 frame and a G19 slide. Didn't like them, didn't want one. So I bought a G45 which is the same damn thing only black, actually conceals pretty good on my gangly angular frame.
Posted by: Eromero at March 21, 2021 07:40 PM (gjvwR)

The story behind that Glock was strange indeed. I can understand why the military didn't go with it. I never heard of the M18 until I saw some guy on YouTube (I forgot the channel) pull one out and point out that the USMC switched to them. This while researching the M17. (The only way I know the USAF got them was by seeing SF having them holstered at the front gate of a base I was at recently.)

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at March 21, 2021 07:52 PM (49Dnm)

131 rhomboid,
I generally reload for the more rare cartridges in rifle or handgun and simply save the brass from more regular cartridges like 5.56/.30-06/9mm/.30-30/7.62x39 in the good times.
I actively dislike reloading for 9mm or .380 ACP and until about March of last year, it was cheaper to buy range blasting ammo and keep the brass rather than reloading. Revolver reloads, though and some specialty AR rounds like the 6.8 SPC or 6.5 Grendel were worth reloading even before the ammo shortage. I also can and have reloaded 7.62x39 which I did for the last ammo shortage. Of all the significant accuracy advantages in reloading, I see a great gap between the Russian/Yugo/wherever blasting ammo and the accuracy of my 7.62x39 reloads. It is a pretty doggone accurate cartridge, so much so that I built an AR to shoot the stuff after getting good results in a SKS.

Posted by: whig at March 21, 2021 07:52 PM (pO7gM)

132 Meanwhile, I think I said something last week about becoming a land mogul in Florida. Well, not so fast. Our latest offer fell on deaf ears. We are not all that far apart but enough that it matters. So, we are praying on it.

Should it come to pass, thinking about a subdivision for preppers. Notional name now is Parato Acres.

5 Acre plots, zoned for Ag so you can plant some crops and have a little livestock. Thinking shipping container homes and off-grid power options.

Posted by: blaster at March 21, 2021 07:52 PM (ZfRYq)

133 Hey Weasel, with the clinic be on Friday morning or the day prior to the MoMe?

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 21, 2021 07:53 PM (QmcbX)

134 Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 21, 2021 07:51 PM (kTF2Z)

Hoping for the best Duke!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 21, 2021 07:53 PM (QmcbX)

135 Just ducking in - some of you might have seen this (I might have found it on this thread!) but here's a practice routine for getting the most out of a single 50 round box of practice ammo, if that's all you can find. Starring Lena Miculek (who taught Jerry everything he knows):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8MvKIiXC2M

Posted by: hogmartin at March 21, 2021 07:54 PM (t+qrx)

136 speaking of the Tx MoMe, anyone from SoCal area interested in carpooling/convoying out there? not sure if Herself will be traveling with me, or coming separately, as we have no idea where she will be w*rking then.

i'll be transporting bang sticks and such, so a secure laager location for a RON pit stop somewhere near the NM/TX border would be most appreciated, if there are any Hordians in the area.

e-mail in sig

Posted by: redc1c4 (*OTUS Zhou Bai-Din Cheated) at March 21, 2021 07:54 PM (fPTiZ)

137 133 Hey Weasel, with the clinic be on Friday morning or the day prior to the MoMe?
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 21, 2021 07:53 PM (QmcbX)
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Same as last year, first thing Friday morning, so plan to get there on Thursday. We'll have a more 'official' announcement regarding the clinic later in the summer.

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 07:55 PM (MVjcR)

138 I need to check out some "point shooting" videos (was one linked here? Seem to half-recall so). With the CZ-83 this time, I tried out some "natural" point shooting, and results were excellent. Paper profile target, 20 feet away. The pistol is a very naturally pointing easy to shoot item, so shooting this way at short ranges seems a good fit. Carefully aimed single-action, vs. "point shot", results, showed no significant difference.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 21, 2021 07:55 PM (OTzUX)

139 (p599j)

That is some weapons-grade gibberish right there!

Apropos for the nug thread!

Posted by: Tonypete at March 21, 2021 07:55 PM (Rvt88)

140 I had bought a Hi-Lux 1-4 X 24 (5.56) some time ago but none of my rifles needed it. Good price and just gathering dust at the pawn shop. Nice green reticle.

Then I bought a Daewoo DR-200 with a nice folding stock and top rail already installed by the previous owner a few years later and why not?

The Daewoo shot great with irons out to 300 yards, then I slapped the Hi-Lux on it with the quick detach and lord almighty! From 100-500 yards the rifle just shined, using Federal 5.56 55 grain ball ammo, simply point and click. Bang! Clang!

It's nice when things come together. Did I tell you those Koreans make good stuff?

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 21, 2021 07:56 PM (R/m4+)

141 you command get got an impatience over
that you wish be delivering the following

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Good to see Raimondo in the gun thread.

Posted by: Lysenko - donate your guns to a no questions, records, or receipts gun buy back at March 21, 2021 07:56 PM (mlBAr)

142 Also, the thing above about practice practice practice?

I will add to it carry carry carry.

When I first started carrying I was a little nervous about it - always worrying am I printing? And adrenalin was up a bit. So I moved from carrying occasionally to carrying anytime I knew I wasn't going somewhere it would be a felony to carry - in the DC area that's plenty. Now I kind of feel weird when not carrying.

Posted by: blaster at March 21, 2021 07:56 PM (ZfRYq)

143 Found this today. Link goes to ammoland page.

Good account of the gunfight in TX, at Geller and Wilders Draw Muhammad event.

Also, read to the end for what I don't remember the media ever telling us, which will boil your blood.

https://tinyurl.com/f8je8kzp

Posted by: Taqiyyologist (bofa/deez) at March 21, 2021 07:56 PM (OssQ4)

144 Posted by: rhomboid at March 21, 2021 07:55 PM (OTzUX)
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We did a thread on it early in the year. I really need to revamp the archives

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 07:57 PM (MVjcR)

145 AH Lloyd, cylinder dump on a revolver? That's just sad.

But I understand.

Posted by: RI Red at March 21, 2021 07:50 PM (dlYqt)

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It was weird. Everyone just froze for a sec as this normally quite economical shooter just blasted away on double action.
"I can't afford to do that very often," he said, giving a rueful grin.

I replied: "I thought you were flexing on your endless supply of .38."

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at March 21, 2021 07:57 PM (llXky)

146 Also found 1 of my oldest mags jambs if all 7 rounds are loaded, 5 and it works fine. It is from mid 80s.

Posted by: Skip at March 21, 2021 07:05 PM (Cxk7w)

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time for a disassembly and cleaning. also, inspect for dents, etc.

if that doesn't fix it, try a new spring.

Posted by: redc1c4 (*OTUS Zhou Bai-Din Cheated) at March 21, 2021 07:57 PM (fPTiZ)

147 112 Rhomboid,
My guess is that S&B, Wolf, etc. are making more selling whole ammunition than components.

Covid, the election, and riots, have caused a whole wave of people wanting ammo more so than reloading components.

Plus, shipping is fussier for components than loaded ammunition. Hodgdon's has been having a devil of a time getting a lot of their Extreme powders into the US from Australia even before end of 2019. Not real happy about Western Powders being sold to Hodgdon's either. Accurate and Ramshot have evaporated since then and Hodgdon's is bound to streamline powder offerings.

Posted by: whig at March 21, 2021 07:58 PM (pO7gM)

148 138 Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 07:55 PM (MVjcR)

Sounds good. I have already reserved a room from 10/21 - 10/24. And I will be on vacation from 10/14 - 10/31. Planning on a nice road trip.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 21, 2021 07:59 PM (QmcbX)

149 6 Also found 1 of my oldest mags jambs if all 7 rounds are loaded, 5 and it works fine. It is from mid 80s.

Posted by: Skip at March 21, 2021 07:05 PM (Cxk7w)

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time for a disassembly and cleaning. also, inspect for dents, etc.

if that doesn't fix it, try a new spring.
Posted by: redc1c4 (*OTUS Zhou Bai-Din Cheated) at March 21, 2021 07:57 PM (fPTiZ)
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If you haven't already, mark it with a piece of tape or whatever until you get it sorted out so you don't end up with it in the gun at a critical moment.

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 07:59 PM (MVjcR)

150 Judas Priest, was trying to write a post but kept getting blocked.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 21, 2021 07:39 PM (QmcbX)

Wow, Judas Priest posts here? What's his nic?

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 21, 2021 07:59 PM (oHd/0)

151 Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 21, 2021 07:59 PM (QmcbX)
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Great!

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 08:00 PM (MVjcR)

152 Actually "NATO" (military, less-sensitive) large and small rifle primers prior to the panic went for a fraction of those prices, but that's a lot better than the $150K/1K I'm seeing for private sales locally.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 21, 2021 08:00 PM (OTzUX)

153 135 Posted by: hogmartin at March 21, 2021 07:54 PM (t+qrx)

Thanks hogmartin, watching it right now.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 21, 2021 08:00 PM (QmcbX)

154 I'm making them for you all, so please let me know if you have any particular requests or ideas regarding content.

Weasel, everything you've put up so far has been interesting, so my attitude is keep up the good work.

Of course, the lagniappe of the Executive Producer's commentary at the end is always appreciated.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 21, 2021 08:00 PM (DMUuz)

155 Somebody please refresh my memory. What city in Texas are we going to for the MoMe?

Posted by: Old Blue - Round Headed Bald Kid at March 21, 2021 08:00 PM (VNmG1)

156 Old Blue, I've done a rouge (sp) polish on the feed ramp of every firearm I own. Worth the effort; I have virtually zero failure to feeds.

Posted by: RI Red at March 21, 2021 08:00 PM (dlYqt)

157 Wow, Judas Priest posts here? What's his nic?
Posted by: Romeo13

'Breaking the Law' of course!

Posted by: Tonypete at March 21, 2021 08:01 PM (Rvt88)

158 Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 21, 2021 08:00 PM (DMUuz)
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Thank you! I feel bad about the hiatus.

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 08:01 PM (MVjcR)

159 140 Way cool story, Hairy Back. The S. Koreans also made a variant of the venerable Browning Hi Power so that you could shoot it in several different modes--similar to a CZ-75.

Believe Daewoo made those as well. I have only seen Daewoo firearms though via pictures and video, never in person.

Posted by: whig at March 21, 2021 08:02 PM (pO7gM)

160 155 Somebody please refresh my memory. What city in Texas are we going to for the MoMe?
Posted by: Old Blue - Round Headed Bald Kid at March 21, 2021 08:00 PM (VNmG1)
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South of Dallas. Contact Ben Had for details.

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 08:02 PM (MVjcR)

161 Catch Thirty-Thr33 @ 130- I have a P320 version of the M17 and thought it was not the best choice after the M9 but then I thought the M9 was a poor choice after the 1911. The 1911 was what we shot in boot camp and the M9 was what we retired with. Yeah, my lawn and whatnot.

Posted by: Eromero at March 21, 2021 08:03 PM (gjvwR)

162 I need to check out some "point shooting" videos
(was one linked here? Seem to half-recall so). With the CZ-83 this
time, I tried out some "natural" point shooting, and results were
excellent. Paper profile target, 20 feet away. The pistol is a very
naturally pointing easy to shoot item, so shooting this way at short
ranges seems a good fit. Carefully aimed single-action, vs. "point
shot", results, showed no significant difference.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 21, 2021 07:55 PM (OTzUX)
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I like this a lot. I'm all in on Sykes and Fairbairn's method. It feels instinctive to me, and the targets look better than when I would overthink things.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at March 21, 2021 08:03 PM (llXky)

163 I went to the range today and shot something called the 3x5 drill with my AR-15. It was very challenging. Showed that I need a lot more practice with the rifle.

Posted by: IronDave at March 21, 2021 08:03 PM (k3crU)

164 Since my trip to SC involves transporting weapons (and Trump wine! they can't get it down there everyone I know says bring me some!) I got a new bag today, a discreet AR 15 bag. It still looks mostly like a gun bag, but not entirely. If you break an AR down there is a compartment for the lower and the upper, so it definitely doesn't look like a rifle bag. $45 from Amazon and yeah I know.

Posted by: blaster at March 21, 2021 08:03 PM (ZfRYq)

165 *"am I an idiot for preferring simple iron sights?"
****
Back when I was in high school in the late sixties I put a scope on my 600 Rem. I used a high type mount that let me see the sights under the scope. It worked great my senior year as my Weaver V7 fogged up and I shot a buck with the iron sights. Later hunting where more distant shots were needed I found the scope needed to be mounted flat to the barrel.

Posted by: Cosda at March 21, 2021 08:03 PM (71N/p)

166 whig, last time I calculated, I was saving in each caliber, with the smallest advantage in 9mm, but substantial in 38 and 45ACP, and 30 carbine. And of course in 30-06. I have been fortunate to stock my components substantially via local/private bargain purchases, and only at good discounts on commercial buys, so my cost basis is very low (and I don't even caste bullets). And of course this leaves out the customization advantage, especially in revolver ammo, which I utilize.

Experience has helped slim the process, so I don't spend a lot of time making the range fodder. Independence from the market and panics is obviously a bonus, though not a reason I got into reloading.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 21, 2021 08:04 PM (OTzUX)

167 Wow, Judas Priest posts here? What's his nic?

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 21, 2021 07:59 PM (oHd/0)

I picked this up from an old boss of mine, he would never use Jesus Christ as an expletive.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 21, 2021 08:04 PM (QmcbX)

168 Posted by: Cosda at March 21, 2021 08:03 PM (71N/p)
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Vintage Gun Scopes (.com) is a great place for, well, vintage scope sales and repairs. Recommended.

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 08:05 PM (MVjcR)

169 Also, read to the end for what I don't remember the media ever telling us, which will boil your blood.

https://tinyurl.com/f8je8kzp
Posted by: Taqiyyologist (bofa/deez) at March 21, 2021 07:56 PM (OssQ4)

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Is it the part where the FBI escorted him there so they'd be sure they reached the location safely before observing the shooting to be sure it happened like they knew it would and had personally arranged?

Posted by: Lysenko - donate your guns to a no questions, records, or receipts gun buy back at March 21, 2021 08:06 PM (mlBAr)

170 Good evening Gunnys.
There is ample parking for RV's but no hook ups.
Tents are perfectly acceptable.
A request: when you email me please include your nic in the subject line.

Posted by: Ben Had at March 21, 2021 08:07 PM (Oihsp)

171 Well of course I don't "caste" my own lead bullets - that's only done in India.

However I also don't cast my own lead bullets.

The gateway to ridiculously inexpensive range fodder for hand guns.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 21, 2021 08:07 PM (OTzUX)

172 Posted by: Ben Had at March 21, 2021 08:07 PM (Oihsp)
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Howdy!!!

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 08:08 PM (MVjcR)

173 am going to the range next week, and by that I mean going to South Carolina.

Come shooting with us? Where? Backyard.

Oh, okay.

Where in South Carolina?

Posted by: That Guy What Always says Yeah Buddy TM at March 21, 2021 08:09 PM (R5lpX)

174 Weasel I know which mag, only have 3 and its the oldest not from Colt. Had no idea you can take it apart but will try it. Am going to get a new one to replace it.

Posted by: Skip at March 21, 2021 08:09 PM (Cxk7w)

175 I could have a heckuva range shooting day in my backyard.

Once.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 21, 2021 08:10 PM (OTzUX)

176 Am I the only one looking at picking up a Nagant revolver because ammo is relatively cheap and available?

Uh, asking for a friend.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at March 21, 2021 08:10 PM (llXky)

177 Posted by: Skip at March 21, 2021 08:09 PM (Cxk7w)
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Cool.

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 08:10 PM (MVjcR)

178 161 Eromeo,
I hated the M9 with a passion as I was there during the changeover. In my case, it was giving up on the beloved M15 S&W revolver (AF issued these rather than 1911's to our unit).

Took me awhile but finally acquired a pre-model 1957 Model 15 with a rare 5 inch barrel a couple of years ago to salve my sense of loss.

Never could shoot the big Beretta worth a flip as it did not fit my hand properly versus the good ole K frame.

Posted by: whig at March 21, 2021 08:10 PM (pO7gM)

179 Well, doggone Ben. I just sent you an e-mail and my nic wasn't in the subject line. You'll know it's me because I used my super secret code name of Leonard. But don't tell anybody. It's super secret.

Posted by: Old Blue - Round Headed Bald Kid at March 21, 2021 08:10 PM (VNmG1)

180 Just a reminder about the gun show in Manassas next weekend. If anyonoe wants to try and get together, email me(link in my nic) and I will try and coordinate.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at March 21, 2021 08:10 PM (sd8p8)

181 I beg to differ on NATO primer prices. In my area, during normal times, small rifle are generally just under $30 and NATO's around $50.

Posted by: ck at March 21, 2021 08:10 PM (iBg56)

182 Am I the only one looking at picking up a Nagant revolver because ammo is relatively cheap and available?

Uh, asking for a friend.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at March 21, 2021 08:10 PM (llXky)

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I've been shooting a lot more black powder pistol lately.

I honestly think it's more pure fun than modern firearms.

Posted by: Lysenko - donate your guns to a no questions, records, or receipts gun buy back at March 21, 2021 08:11 PM (mlBAr)

183 Hi! Weasel. No range report. The pigs have moved on for the moment.

Posted by: Ben Had at March 21, 2021 08:11 PM (Oihsp)

184 183 Hi! Weasel. No range report. The pigs have moved on for the moment.
Posted by: Ben Had at March 21, 2021 08:11 PM (Oihsp)
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I have faith in your superior tactics.

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 08:12 PM (MVjcR)

185 Is it the part where the FBI escorted him there so they'd be sure they reached the location safely before observing the shooting to be sure it happened like they knew it would and had personally arranged?
Posted by: Lysenko
Yep.

Also the part where the hero's partner was unaware and utterly faithless when he drew on them. But mostly the part where the FBI apparently tried to cause yet another massacre, and then fled the scene like someone guilty would.

Posted by: Taqiyyologist (bofa/deez) at March 21, 2021 08:12 PM (OssQ4)

186 Heh. When Ben Had sends a range report, she really sends a range report.

Posted by: Old Blue - Round Headed Bald Kid at March 21, 2021 08:13 PM (VNmG1)

187 179 Well, doggone Ben. I just sent you an e-mail and my nic wasn't in the subject line. You'll know it's me because I used my super secret code name of Leonard. But don't tell anybody. It's super secret.
Posted by: Old Blue - Round Headed Bald Kid at March 21, 2021 08:10 PM (VNmG1)
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Oh dear.

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 08:13 PM (MVjcR)

188 Am going to get a new one to replace it.
Posted by: Skip at March 21, 2021 08:09 PM (Cxk7w)

1911 magazine? Send it to Ed Brown in exchange for a new one, $10.

https://www.edbrown.com/magexchange/

Posted by: hogmartin at March 21, 2021 08:13 PM (t+qrx)

189
I've been shooting a lot more black powder pistol lately.

I honestly think it's more pure fun than modern firearms.

Posted by: at March 21, 2021 08:11 PM (mlBAr)

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I'm looking at cap and ball as well. Black powder is just plain fun.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at March 21, 2021 08:13 PM (llXky)

190 Hooray!! It's the GUN Thread!!! As always, THANKS WEASEL!!! My favrit' day of the week!!
Howdy fellow gun cranks too. That Canadian 22 shooting gives me the sads... Why? After a lotta years of shooting I cannot shoot that well.
I am late tonight, went to a buddys place and borrowed a sight to replace the damaged one on my CMP 03A3 that I hope to sell next weekend at the VGCA show in Manassas. Hopefully see a bunch of you there...

Posted by: Jesse in DC at March 21, 2021 08:14 PM (Yp3Ga)

191 Believe Daewoo made those as well. I have only seen Daewoo firearms though via pictures and video, never in person.
Posted by: whig at March 21, 2021 08:02 PM (pO7gM)

Yup....the Daewoo K5/DP51 pistol. I have never seen one live and in person but I have asked those who deal here and there to let me know.

I have been impressed with their DR-200 and I believe parts are now easier to obtain which is always a good turn. The DR-200 is the same as the AR-100 but with the AWB nonsense such as thumbhole stock, no bayonet lug, no muzzle device but these are all easy to reset except the bayonet lug.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 21, 2021 08:15 PM (R/m4+)

192 I pondered picking up a Nagant years back when they were quite cheap (and as noted, ammo, often in spam cans, probably still available at reasonable prices). Never did do it. I was trying to limit my calibers, already wasn't shooting what I owned often enough, and was developing a concern about out-of-production guns (most of mine), re parts, longevity, etc.

There was an interesting Nagant pictured on The High Road years back, a presentation gun with the electro-penciled signature of Kliment Voroshilov, then the top defense official of the USSR.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 21, 2021 08:15 PM (OTzUX)

193 Old Blue. No worries. I have you on the super special list.

Posted by: Ben Had at March 21, 2021 08:15 PM (Oihsp)

194 Posted by: Jesse in DC at March 21, 2021 08:14 PM (Yp3Ga)
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Howdy amigo!!

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 08:15 PM (MVjcR)

195 I'm looking at cap and ball as well. Black powder is just plain fun.

**

It's pretty easy to find black powder still, and you can get 100 lead balls for $10-$15 or so. All you need after that is some stuff to make cornbread.

Posted by: Lysenko - donate your guns to a no questions, records, or receipts gun buy back at March 21, 2021 08:15 PM (mlBAr)

196 I've been lucky in that a local fleet store has had ammo in stock throughout the panic. Not often in great supply, or a particular caliber, but if one times it right you can find some there as it comes off the truck. Lately they've had a lot of .22lr.

I bought a SW MP 15/22 there a few weeks ago, now I'm eyeballing a Ruger 10/22 they have on the shelf.

Posted by: davidt at March 21, 2021 08:16 PM (5ZHS+)

197 A few suggestions about topics mentioned in the post and comments.

- Most folks prefer the Ruger Mk II to the other models but the Mk IV gets great reviews and is MUCH easier to take down for cleaning.
- MidwayUSA has mixed availability on snap caps to do dry firing. Get 'em while you can. The local Cabelas has none on the shelf.
- Congrats on those great targets in the post. That is some fine shooting.
- Believe it or not, even toy caps are hard to find. This came up in a discussion about making your own percussion caps using the toy caps for the ignition.
- In theory, you can dry fire Ruger center fire revolvers with the transfer bar all day long. I still use snap caps for rim fire and center.

Posted by: JTB at March 21, 2021 08:16 PM (7EjX1)

198 166, I found that I could buy 9mm cheaper than reloading it because of where I live so I simply saved the brass for a rainy day. Ditto for .30-06 blaster grade unless I went to cast.

If I went with lead handgun bullets or bought thousands of fmj bullets at a whack, I probably could have saved a bit but I have physical disabilities also in the balance so I reload where I get literally the biggest bang per buck. Plus, my 9mm pistols have different feeding requirements--one is short chambered and picky about ogives, another has a softer frame, another one will feed almost anything, and so on. Most of my firearms are ex military or police and somewhat collectable so that makes altering them a no go.

Posted by: whig at March 21, 2021 08:17 PM (pO7gM)

199 ck, I got mine from an off-grid (well, not monitored by shopping bots, nor well known) online source in MO, at a lot less than $50 - that place consistently had CCIs of all kinds for less than even PowderValley, so there was a pattern there, an unusual one but good for the customer. And I think my Tulammo military LRPs were in the $30s, too. Whatever. Savings over factory 5.56/30-06 are substantial at either price level.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 21, 2021 08:19 PM (OTzUX)

200 I still want a black powder revolver, Colt Dragoon or Walker

Posted by: Skip at March 21, 2021 08:19 PM (Cxk7w)

201 I pondered picking up a Nagant years back when they
were quite cheap (and as noted, ammo, often in spam cans, probably still
available at reasonable prices).
Posted by: rhomboid at March 21, 2021 08:15 PM (OTzUX)

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I think we all know that Nagants went up because Gun Jeebus started hawking them. "It's a deal, go get one!" And so prices promptly doubled.

I'm just glad he's obsessed with French crap.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at March 21, 2021 08:21 PM (llXky)

202 "First, make certain your basic self-defense needs are covered, and frankly that's probably something on the order of 10 to 20 rounds, total. Really, how often are you getting into gunfights? If you find yourself regularly going through 20+ rounds in this fashion, you may have other problems which need to be addressed. Next comes your supply of practice ammo,"

... 1995, sure. 2021, no. You need to consider what happens if you actually have to use that SD piece/ammo, or you get red flagged, or you otherwise become a prohibited person, or you lose access to your home - hint: you will be unarmed if that's all you have.

If you need one pistol, you need two pistols and extra ammo, with the spares preferably stashed competently in more than one place. A full case of pistol ammo will go a long way. Doesn't need to all be JHP, but it *does* need to be earmarked away from practice.

As someone with decades of training and many tens of thousands of rounds of practice - it does not take years and thousands of rounds to become adequate. And on a long time scale, adequate with deep supplies beats being world class with a few boxes of ammo.

Posted by: somedood at March 21, 2021 08:21 PM (s3j76)

203 Late to a great thread, once again.

Another stellar outing, Mr. Weasel, and, I second what Jim said about us "experts." Though, I would not characterize myself as an expert so much as one willing to learn from his mistakes, which have been many and varied.

One year, when I was really trying to learn the art of the 1911, I was shooting IDPA and Steel Challenge every single month, along with regular practice. My best guess: I went through 6K rounds of 45 acp that year.

I don't shoot nearly as much, due to lack of ammunition, but, I still get out regularly to look for any bad habits I might have developed and then try to clean them up.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at March 21, 2021 08:21 PM (2SdPm)

204 22lr has been the tough one, it's still at 19 or 20 cents, I did see some last week for a dime All of the other popular calibers are at a little less that double their "good price". 762x39 40 cents!

Posted by: ck at March 21, 2021 08:22 PM (iBg56)

205 193 Old Blue. No worries. I have you on the super special list.
Posted by: Ben Had at March 21, 2021 08:15 PM (Oihsp)
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Uh oh. Is that the good super special list or the bad super special list?

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 08:22 PM (MVjcR)

206 I was disappointed to learn from my son that the Corps does rifle qual with optics. Optics are great, but you need to be able to put rounds on target old school if the optics break. Lord knows, nothing ever breaks in combat.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 21, 2021 08:22 PM (kTF2Z)

207 Thanks Ben!

davidt, get the 10/22. You'll love it. They are a great little gun and you'll have a lot of fun with it.

Posted by: Old Blue - Round Headed Bald Kid at March 21, 2021 08:22 PM (VNmG1)

208 197 JTB, one of the issues with the newer MIM process versus the older forged parts is that MIM parts seem to have a higher rate of parts breakage and that includes firing pins.

Gunsmith Jerry Kuhnhausen, now deceased, famous for his Kuhnhausen manuals really took S&W to task for their deterioration of quality using MIM parts. Kuhnhausen went so far as to instruct gunsmiths that they would be better off fitting older forged parts to replace MIM parts in new S&W revolvers made after the 1996-97 changeovers. Seen some similar evidence of the S&W Third Generation problems regarding MIM parts breakage as well and they had a similar changeover in time from forged to MIM. Ruger also uses some MIM parts now versus the older forged and their investment castings.

Posted by: whig at March 21, 2021 08:22 PM (pO7gM)

209 Ditto for .30-06 blaster grade unless I went to cast.

What did I do?

Posted by: blaster at March 21, 2021 08:22 PM (ZfRYq)

210 whig I forgot to mention that also I only buy in bulk, to put it mildly (don't ask my mailman about this - though his son reloads so he is pretty understanding). Those flat-rate boxes were invented for the lead bullet vendors - 70 lbs. limit, cheap to ship. Part of my cost-reduction strategery.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 21, 2021 08:23 PM (OTzUX)

211 ck...where?

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at March 21, 2021 08:23 PM (sd8p8)

212 Ben Had, you got coyotes down there?

Posted by: RI Red at March 21, 2021 08:24 PM (Iqn8S)

213 Jerry's gun is what I've been eyeing for a decade now.

The S&W 625 . I passed on a used one at Collector's six months ago. I'm kicking myself for that right now.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 21, 2021 08:24 PM (2DOZq)

214 I sort of remember looking at black powder pistol kits for $200 a long time ago.

Posted by: Lysenko - donate your guns to a no questions, records, or receipts gun buy back at March 21, 2021 08:24 PM (mlBAr)

215 I pondered picking up a Nagant years back when they
were quite cheap (and as noted, ammo, often in spam cans, probably still
available at reasonable prices). Never did do it. I was trying to
limit my calibers, already wasn't shooting what I owned often enough,
and was developing a concern about out-of-production guns (most of
mine), re parts, longevity, etc.

I had a Mosin M44 carbine back some years ago. Got asked to never bring it back to the range when I shot it during a match one time. Seems it was way too loud and the muzzle blast was ferocious and a sight to behold. I never knew anything was wrong until my buddy sat down to shoot it and I was next to him. That thing was a beast if you were not the guy shooting it.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at March 21, 2021 08:25 PM (JUOKG)

216 Posted by: somedood at March 21, 2021 08:21 PM (s3j76)
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Guess I wasn't clear - I was referring to the order in which one would buy ammo. You're likely to need more practice ammo first, if you're out of ammo, and buying it a box at a time.

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 08:25 PM (MVjcR)

217 Uh oh. Is that the good super special list or the bad super special list?

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 08:22 PM (MVjcR)

Ruh Roh! Ummm, Weasel? Buddy? Pal?

Posted by: Old Blue - Round Headed Bald Kid at March 21, 2021 08:25 PM (VNmG1)

218 Blackpowder may be more fun to shoot but they are probably not as much fun to clean.

The percussion caps have recently become more scarce and/or more expensive. Available if spotty but causing much gnashing of teeth and stupid gun borker auctions. Even moulds are under pressure. Like everything else, those paying attention purchased what they needed years ago.

Posted by: Common Tater at March 21, 2021 08:26 PM (ZXJxj)

219 Ammoseek.com, Gunslinger 39.8 cents!!

Posted by: ck at March 21, 2021 08:26 PM (iBg56)

220 Ruh Roh! Ummm, Weasel? Buddy? Pal?
Posted by: Old Blue - Round Headed Bald Kid at March 21, 2021 08:25 PM (VNmG1)
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No worries here! Ben Had's the one you don't want to cross!

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 08:27 PM (MVjcR)

221 191 Hairyback Guy, Think that Sarco sold Daewoo parts and the actual DP51 firearms.

Apex Gun Parts in CO usually has a pretty good selection of parts as well for most full auto and semi auto military firearms. They do have Daewoo rifle parts including barrel assemblies.

Posted by: whig at March 21, 2021 08:27 PM (pO7gM)

222 RI Red, yes we do. I love leaving them for the buzzards.

Posted by: Ben Had at March 21, 2021 08:28 PM (Oihsp)

223 Am I the only one looking at picking up a Nagant revolver because ammo is relatively cheap and available?
Uh, asking for a friend.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at March 21, 2021 08:10 PM (llXky)

Buy one. Mine is very accurate and the only downsides are reloading is a bear and double action will give you a trigger workout but with 7 rounds I think it's a decent SHTF defensive handgun.

Most are double and single action if I remember right with the single action only being rare since the Soviets had them all converted. Prices are only going to go up.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 21, 2021 08:28 PM (R/m4+)

224 ..Jim SND @ 82- YO, could you get the lovely and talented Iris to text me that Steak and Guinness Pie recipe? You done flung a cravin' on me. Posted by: Eromero at March 21, 2021 07:47 PM (gjvwR)

Watch your email, amigo. Might take a day or three, but she'll write it in recipe form, for you.

As far as the "mag dump" on a revolver? I've had fun shooting those in IDPA Stock Service Revolver class. And yes, a S&W Model 28, 4" bbl., can be emptied into a 3 yard target (from the low ready) in well under one second. That said, I'm WAY out of practice on fancy shootin' like that, but fast three and six round bursts were a part of my practice till about ten years ago. I'm of the personal opinion, that if you're going to CCW and shoot to "Stop the Threat" (as is doctrine & law), the fastest way to do that is to land multiple rounds on target quickly before a flinch, fall or fight reaction can occur. If you're justified with one round, you're just as justified with a burst of three, to try to ensure a STOP and not merely a "pause".

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at March 21, 2021 08:29 PM (QzJWU)

225 161 Catch Thirty-Thr33 @ 130- I have a P320 version of the M17 and thought it was not the best choice after the M9 but then I thought the M9 was a poor choice after the 1911. The 1911 was what we shot in boot camp and the M9 was what we retired with. Yeah, my lawn and whatnot.
Posted by: Eromero at March 21, 2021 08:03 PM (gjvwR)

LOL - I've been sent to AF ranges since 2000 when I made my first trip, and every single time we get out the M9s SOMEONE will start bitching about how we got away from the 1911. Trust me, someone will do the same this year if they run me out to the range at some point this year. (I rather like the M9 - fits my hand nicely. I was skeptical of the M17 until I had the chance to fire it.)

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at March 21, 2021 08:29 PM (49Dnm)

226 If you are on my list you are golden.

Posted by: Ben Had at March 21, 2021 08:29 PM (Oihsp)

227 I was disappointed to learn from my son that the
Corps does rifle qual with optics. Optics are great, but you need to be
able to put rounds on target old school if the optics break. Lord knows,
nothing ever breaks in combat.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 21, 2021 08:22 PM (kTF2Z)

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The Air Force uses both during qualification. I find I'm better with iron, but that's probably a function of having been trained on it for (mumbles) years.

The pups running the range thought I was weird for that, but I was also the only one who went to the ammo table to load my mags with the clip adapters that I knew came in the box. That won me Strange New Respect.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at March 21, 2021 08:30 PM (llXky)

228 27 am I an idiot for preferring simple iron sights?

Posted by: Dave at March 21, 2021 07:14 PM (KWYbg)

When a whipper snapper I could hit a man sized target, reliably, at 500 meters with iron sights. Now I can't see one. I still prefer iron though.

Posted by: Javems at March 21, 2021 08:30 PM (8SSHh)

229 As usual, just lurking and reading. Most of it is over my head.

Posted by: Ronster at March 21, 2021 08:32 PM (m+Bvt)

230
If you are on my list you are golden.

Posted by: Ben Had at March 21, 2021 08:29 PM (Oihsp)

Uh oh, did I forget to do something?

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 21, 2021 08:32 PM (QmcbX)

231 My most recent purchase was the Beretta 92 fs. I like it much better than the P320.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 21, 2021 08:33 PM (2DOZq)

232 Wait.

The Air Force actually has guns? And shoots them?

Posted by: Common Tater at March 21, 2021 08:33 PM (ZXJxj)

233 I was on the 1k range at Quantico for a team practice and had my '03 Springfield with me figuring I'd have a chance to shoot it between squad rotation at a few hundred yards. I didn't remember to get it out until we were all the way back and was amazed I could hit the target with the irons.

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 08:33 PM (MVjcR)

234 thanks ck

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at March 21, 2021 08:34 PM (sd8p8)

235 Hairyback Guy, Think that Sarco sold Daewoo parts and the actual DP51 firearms.
Apex Gun Parts in CO usually has a pretty good selection of parts as well for most full auto and semi auto military firearms. They do have Daewoo rifle parts including barrel assemblies.
Posted by: whig at March 21, 2021 08:27 PM (pO7gM)

Good info as always whig! Thanks!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 21, 2021 08:34 PM (R/m4+)

236 Scuba_Dude, You're family now.

Posted by: Ben Had at March 21, 2021 08:34 PM (Oihsp)

237 229 As usual, just lurking and reading. Most of it is over my head.
Posted by: Ronster at March 21, 2021 08:32 PM (m+Bvt)
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Email me if you have something in particular you would like to discuss!

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 08:34 PM (MVjcR)

238 Blackpowder may be more fun to shoot but they are probably not as much fun to clean.

Posted by: Common Tater at March 21, 2021 08:26 PM (ZXJxj)

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It's not bad. I've got a kit gun that makes huge clouds of smoke and I can get a 12" group at 2 yards.

So anything's an improvement.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at March 21, 2021 08:35 PM (llXky)

239 182 ... "I've been shooting a lot more black powder pistol lately. I honestly think it's more pure fun than modern firearms."

Absolutely! And the required slower pace means even just 50 shots can take a long time (economical) and you learn to appreciate each shot. Plus the aroma of black powder.

Posted by: JTB at March 21, 2021 08:35 PM (7EjX1)

240 Yes, you can certainly save a bunch that way if you buy 3000-5000 bullets at a whack but I tend to shoot premium or fairly obscure cartridges where a bunch of .308 150 gr. bullets would simply get shoved into the back for a rainy day. So I may have about 5k to 10k of 9mm bullets but that would be in fmj, hp, lead round nose, truncated cone nose, and several different weights depending on what I shot, where I shot it, and for what purpose.

A lot of the older 9mm before the 1990's could be picky as to which ammo and bullet profile/wt, they liked.

Posted by: whig at March 21, 2021 08:35 PM (pO7gM)

241 232 Wait.

The Air Force actually has guns? And shoots them?
Posted by: Common Tater at March 21, 2021 08:33 PM (ZXJxj)

Ever hear of Security Forces?

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at March 21, 2021 08:36 PM (49Dnm)

242 Scuba_Dude, You're family now.

Posted by: Ben Had at March 21, 2021 08:34 PM (Oihsp)

Thanks!!!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 21, 2021 08:36 PM (QmcbX)

243 mail me if you have something in particular you would like to discuss!

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 08:34 PM (MVjcR)

Will do. Thanks Weasel.

Posted by: Ronster at March 21, 2021 08:36 PM (m+Bvt)

244 Email me if you have something in particular you would like to discuss!
Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 08:34 PM (MVjc

You could talk about the different actions. Blow back , delayed blowback , locking bolt , rolling bolt , etc.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 21, 2021 08:36 PM (2DOZq)

245 You could talk about the different actions. Blow back , delayed blowback , locking bolt , rolling bolt , etc.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 21, 2021 08:36 PM (2DOZq)
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OK! Noted.

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 08:37 PM (MVjcR)

246 232 Wait.

The Air Force actually has guns? And shoots them?
Posted by: Common Tater

Heh! Once a year, M-16 training. I couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. I did much better with a 9mm.

Posted by: Puddleglum at March 21, 2021 08:37 PM (koO5h)

247 235 Hairy Back Guy, right back at you. I was at Apex's website buying a Berthier handguard and a few other trifles which is why I knew that.

Ironically, the handguard was for the Berthier M16 made in France during WWI (1916). It has the assault style 5 round Mannlicher style clip feed system versus the older 3 round clips. High capacity indeed.

Posted by: whig at March 21, 2021 08:37 PM (pO7gM)

248 Scuba_Dude, You're family now.
Posted by: Ben Had

Not to put too fine a point on it but SD, what that means is when we talk, we holler at each other, wave our arms all about, call each other bad names, and then hug when the exchange ends.

You'll fit right in!!

Posted by: Tonypete at March 21, 2021 08:38 PM (Rvt88)

249 And yes, a
SW Model 28, 4" bbl., can be emptied into a 3 yard target (from the
low ready) in well under one second. That said, I'm WAY out of
practice on fancy shootin' like that,

Posted by: Jim at March 21, 2021 08:29 PM (QzJWU)

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He was using a Smith but he wasn't particularly accurate. I mean he hit the paper, but half his shots missed the silhouette. It was mostly cathartic I think.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at March 21, 2021 08:39 PM (llXky)

250 Sebastian Melmoth @ 231- The 92FS is too purty for me to carry but I confess it shoots good.

Posted by: Eromero at March 21, 2021 08:39 PM (gjvwR)

251 Thats a wicked floor shifter.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at March 21, 2021 08:39 PM (9Om/r)

252 Common Tater,
Yep, due to my specialty, I carried either a handgun or an M16A1, sometimes both. I preferred the S&W M15 revolver frankly to carry around on deployments without lugging around the rifle but I did not get to make that call.

Posted by: whig at March 21, 2021 08:40 PM (pO7gM)

253 212 Ben Had, you got coyotes down there?
Posted by: RI Red at March 21, 2021 08:24 PM (Iqn8S)

I'm sure she does - they be ALL OVER the state. Every so often on drives home or to work I will see one running through some fields and I know they are mocking me because they know I can't shoot them from a right of way of a highway. (Come on, you cowards, get on the property so I can blast you something proper.)

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at March 21, 2021 08:40 PM (49Dnm)

254 Weasel, thanks again for a great thread. Have a good night everyone!!!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 21, 2021 08:40 PM (QmcbX)

255 Sharon, you're looking for 762x39? Good on ya!! It's a lot of fun and a cheap way to get your 30 cal jollies!!

Posted by: ck at March 21, 2021 08:40 PM (iBg56)

256 Thanks for the recipe Jim!

Posted by: Eromero at March 21, 2021 08:40 PM (gjvwR)

257 Ironically, the handguard was for the Berthier M16 made in France during WWI (1916). It has the assault style 5 round Mannlicher style clip feed system versus the older 3 round clips. High capacity indeed.
Posted by: whig at March 21, 2021 08:37 PM (pO7gM)

Wow! Very nice! People like to joke but the French make and made some very nice hardware.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 21, 2021 08:41 PM (R/m4+)

258 but I tend to shoot premium or fairly obscure cartridges

*

One can't help but notice 35 Whelen is pretty much exactly as expensive and available as it's ever been.

Posted by: Lysenko - click here for your covid vaccine documentation and directions at March 21, 2021 08:42 PM (TIEIK)

259 Ben Had, you got coyotes down there?
Posted by: RI Red at March 21, 2021 08:24 PM (Iqn8S)

I'm sure you'll recall our prior Governor shot one while he was jogging and caught a lot of crap for it.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 21, 2021 08:42 PM (2DOZq)

260 We've even got the dang Coyotes here in the upstate of SC. I can sometimes hear them howling over in the tree farm next to our property.

Posted by: That Guy What Always says Yeah Buddy TM at March 21, 2021 08:42 PM (R5lpX)

261 Mister Scott, one of the pleasures of my M38 (same barrel length as M44, just a chopped-off 91/30). Especially fun to fire late afternoon/twilight - fireball is quite impressive.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 21, 2021 08:43 PM (OTzUX)

262 ..He was using a Smith but he wasn't particularly accurate. I mean he hit the paper, but half his shots missed the silhouette. It was mostly cathartic I think. Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at March 21, 2021 08:39 PM (llXky)

Snap caps and dry fire are the medicine to learn the art of rapid revolver shooting. If you try to "learn" with live ammo, you'll just be teaching yourself your own mistakes. Ask me how I know! lol

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at March 21, 2021 08:43 PM (QzJWU)

263 Wow! Very nice! People like to joke but the French make and made some very nice hardware.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 21, 2021 08:41 PM (R/m4+)

They made some weird stuff.too.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 21, 2021 08:44 PM (2DOZq)

264 Ben Had, you got coyotes down there?
Posted by: RI Red

Hell, we have coyotes here in white bread suburbia central Ohio.

(And no stray pets and nervous deer)

Posted by: Tonypete at March 21, 2021 08:45 PM (Rvt88)

265 For those thinking of getting a cap and ball black powder revolver, good luck. A lot of other people have had the same thought. New ones are as hard to find as any other guns. Plus the problem of finding percussion caps. (A real problem at the moment.) If you feel comfortable doing so, you might have better luck finding a used C and B revolver.

But they sure are fun!

Posted by: JTB at March 21, 2021 08:45 PM (7EjX1)

266 I've shot one coyote in TX. It was running under my tree stand. I forgot to take into account my scope height at close range, so it ran along his back at spine level. Had to use an M9 to finish him off. He still got dead.

Posted by: RI Red at March 21, 2021 08:45 PM (Iqn8S)

267 SHAMELESS SELF PROMOTION WARNING: I do a column over at bleedingfool.com on guns in movies. It posts on Mondays, so take a gander if you want to see me bloviate on how Hollywood screws stuff up.

The hipster nerds comment on current stuff, but sadly my reflection on Paul Kersey's weapon in the original "Death Wish" got zero love. I think he was using a 32-20, btw, which is an impressive round.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at March 21, 2021 08:45 PM (llXky)

268 233 Weasel,
Was yours the 1903 or the later 03A3? If you were firing with 1903 open sights and no Ohare micrometer, that is impressive shooting with an 1903.

It is amusing that the Army had a catfight between heads of Ordnance for several decades over which iron sight should be used. Buffington's original iron sights came about on the 1884 Springfield and later Trapdoors, was gotten rid of, then returned for the Krag 1901 model which the 1903 sights were based upon. Crozier, the guy in between, preferred the simpler open sights with an incredibly fine aperture sight leaf that would be used for fine distance shots. That is the 1902 Krag sight when Crozier took over Ordnance. The poor Krag had more sight models in its short life span than probably any other issued rifle.

Posted by: whig at March 21, 2021 08:45 PM (pO7gM)

269 Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 21, 2021 08:40 PM (QmcbX)
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My pleasure, bro!

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 08:46 PM (MVjcR)

270 They made some weird stuff.too.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 21, 2021 08:44 PM (2DOZq)

Hahaha...yup. I think Ian at Forgotten Weapons had a video on their folding submachine gun thingamabob and the para aluminum buttstock MAS-36.

Ian loves French stuff.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 21, 2021 08:47 PM (R/m4+)

271 Posted by: whig at March 21, 2021 08:45 PM (pO7gM)
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Plain ol '03 with a ladder sight. I'm not sure I'd have won a match, I was just happy to be on paper!

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 08:48 PM (MVjcR)

272 No, ck, it was about the cheap 22lr. I'm still a novice and shooting 22 rifles and handguns. I'm loving it. I am a small person and able to handle the recoil and sighting pretty well with these guns.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at March 21, 2021 08:48 PM (sd8p8)

273 Best Recipes for Unexpected Guests

I love this title.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at March 21, 2021 08:49 PM (yQpMk)

274 Snap caps and dry fire are the medicine to learn the
art of rapid revolver shooting. If you try to "learn" with live ammo,
you'll just be teaching yourself your own mistakes. Ask me how I know!
lol

Posted by: Jim at March 21, 2021 08:43 PM (QzJWU)

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I get you, but he was basically rage dumping because it had been so long since we could go shooting. A different friend bought one of those old Colt Police revolvers and even on double action I was amazed at how smooth it shot.

I think there's a clear difference between shooting "quickly" and feeling "rushed."

Nice thing about playing with 'mouse guns' is the recovery time between shots is silly short.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at March 21, 2021 08:49 PM (llXky)

275 I love French stuff too, especially when they wear the frilly maid uniform.

Posted by: That Guy What Always says Yeah Buddy TM at March 21, 2021 08:49 PM (R5lpX)

276 WEASEL! GUNS! HE YELLED OBNOXIOUSLY.

Posted by: callsign claymore at March 21, 2021 08:49 PM (U/CJZ)

277 Posted by: callsign claymore at March 21, 2021 08:49 PM (U/CJZ)
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Howdy!

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 08:50 PM (MVjcR)

278 Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at March 21, 2021 08:45 PM (llXky)

The guy who currently supplies most Hollywood with weapons was in the Israeli military and seems like a very knowledgeable guy. Larry Zanoff is his name IIRC. He is on the show a Hollywood weapons which I really like.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 21, 2021 08:51 PM (2DOZq)

279 Weasel, how about sight height over bore when working on ballistics data and why it is important?

Should I shoot you an email as a reminder?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at March 21, 2021 08:51 PM (2SdPm)

280 Black powder became very popular after the Jeremiah Johnson movie. I bought my TCA .50 cal Hawkin back then from a friend who had bought it as a kit from WalMart. I got it from him for $50, he wanted to get some weed

Posted by: davidt at March 21, 2021 08:51 PM (5ZHS+)

281 Should I shoot you an email as a reminder?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at March 21, 2021 08:51 PM (2SdPm)
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That'd be great. Thx.

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 08:51 PM (MVjcR)

282 Last night USNtakim was asking if anyone knew where AR barrels might be in stock.

It's a good question because they are as rare as hen's teeth right now.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at March 21, 2021 08:52 PM (yQpMk)

283 Done.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at March 21, 2021 08:54 PM (2SdPm)

284 Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 21, 2021 08:47 PM (R/m4+)

Speaking of forgotten weapons I wonder why they quit developing the caseless ammo gun.

H&K had a prototype. The G11. If you are trying to lighten the load of a foot soldier , that would be a good way.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 21, 2021 08:54 PM (2DOZq)

285 >That Canadian 22 shooting gives me the sads...

Let me lift your spirits. That was the last 5 of 140 shots. The first 135 were less than awesome. Pretty good start to a grouping and then they would hit elsewhere just for fun. Who knew ammo had a mind of its own?

Posted by: all doubt removed at March 21, 2021 08:54 PM (S2eH9)

286 Posted by: all doubt removed at March 21, 2021 08:54 PM (S2eH9)
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Sure, Annie, sure.

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 08:55 PM (MVjcR)

287 Thank you, Weasel, hello, Horde, he said with more restraint.

Posted by: callsign claymore at March 21, 2021 08:56 PM (U/CJZ)

288 Mister Scott, one of the pleasures of my M38 (same barrel length as M44, just a chopped-off 91/30). Especially fun to fire late afternoon/twilight - fireball is quite impressive.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 21, 2021 08:43 PM (OTzUX)

The concussion is sure to get looks from the people on either side of you.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at March 21, 2021 08:56 PM (yQpMk)

289 Sorry Sharon, 22lr is the best learning and practice cartridge of all. I broke out my rifle and pistol this week to get my cousin started. Good luck on your search, I use 22lr and 762x39 for the same purpose, to improve my lousy offhand shooting. ha

Posted by: ck at March 21, 2021 08:57 PM (iBg56)

290 283 Done.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at March 21, 2021 08:54 PM (2SdPm)
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Great suggestion, btw.

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 08:57 PM (MVjcR)

291 258 Lysenko, I am talking about foreign and domestic obsolete military cartridges (e.g. Krag, 7.65 Argentine, 8x56r Austrian, 6.5 Carcano, etc.).

Those generally sell out at midpoint to the shortage but then ammo companies are not a) making the brass for it, and b) because no new brass is being made for it during a shortage, no ammunition can be made either. You could not buy factory Krag ammo for about 4-5 years after the 2008 crunch simply because it took that long for Remington to make a special production run of it.

Right now, you can get all the safari type heavy ammo you want for for not much of a premium if any, ditto for .50 BMG.

Posted by: whig at March 21, 2021 08:57 PM (pO7gM)

292 Side note: It looks like I might be able to shoot the K31 using GP11 at my regular range in a High Power Match this next Saturday. I'm eager to find out if the lessons from my initial less than stellar results, the shooter had a really bad day, will help me get through the match with a decent score.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at March 21, 2021 08:59 PM (2SdPm)

293 Grump, the guys with the muzzle brakes on .308s (or other flavors) are really the problem. Before my time, the range used to routinely ask those guys to set up on lane 30, which is separated from the line by a small brick wall (it also has a nice custom "bench" that's designed for rifle rests). And anyone with a .50 - though those are rare in here in CA.

When picking a lane I carefully check to see if any of those rigs are nearby.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 21, 2021 08:59 PM (OTzUX)

294 Last night USNtakim was asking if anyone knew where AR barrels might be in stock.

It's a good question because they are as rare as hen's teeth right now.
Posted by: G'rump928(c)

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I get a bunch of emails from Bear Creek Arsenal and they seem to maintain a fairly decent supply. It looks like they've got some in stock. One example:

.223 Wylde, 16" Black Nitride Lightweight Barrel, 1:8 Twist, Mid Length Gas System|Barrel
Special Price
$145.99

Posted by: Lysenko - Click here for COVID vaccination document, print on card stock at March 21, 2021 08:59 PM (e6I/s)

295 ..H&K had a prototype. The G11. If you are trying to lighten the load of a foot soldier , that would be a good way. Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 21, 2021 08:54 PM (2DOZq)

Two problems, thus far have proven insurmountable: 1. Fragility. The caseless round is not of sufficient self-bonding physical strength to resist the wear, tear & all around beating that gear takes when on a fighting soldier's web gear or in his pack. It chips, fractures and otherwise becomes unserviceable. 2. Cooking-off in a hot chamber. Not desirable in a firefight, where it's most likely to occur. An annoyance on the practice range, but Life or Death in war.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at March 21, 2021 09:00 PM (QzJWU)

296 Gun thread!

I see some talented shooters here. Wow.

My right hand and shoulder are better now, so I hope to get more practice in the next few weeks. Cuz I need it!

Posted by: Ladyl, Insurrectionist at March 21, 2021 09:00 PM (TdMsT)

297 Great suggestion, btw.
Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 08:57 PM (MVjcR)
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blind squirrel, nut.

Thanks!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at March 21, 2021 09:00 PM (2SdPm)

298 Hell, we have coyotes here in white bread suburbia central Ohio.

(And no stray pets and nervous deer)
Posted by: Tonypete

Is there a Rye Bread Suburbia Central Ohio ?

Posted by: JT at March 21, 2021 09:00 PM (arJlL)

299 Posted by: Ladyl, Insurrectionist at March 21, 2021 09:00 PM (TdMsT)
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Howdy!!

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 09:01 PM (MVjcR)

300 271 Weasel, you must have good eyesight.

Those old 1903's have great target sights if you have the sharp eyes to go with it, especially with the thin issued front sight blade. I put a Marine width sight blade on my 1903a3 along with a front sight hood to help. My WWI vintage 1903 has the correct period sights even if the stock is not original.

Posted by: whig at March 21, 2021 09:01 PM (pO7gM)

301 Weasel, I only sent a pic of the target sheet that had the good grouping. The other ones really are as described.

And the Annie label is making me blush. But, please, don't let that stop you.

Posted by: all doubt removed at March 21, 2021 09:02 PM (S2eH9)

302 IIRC coyotes are in 49 states.

Posted by: Lysenko - Click here for COVID vaccination document, print on card stock at March 21, 2021 09:03 PM (e6I/s)

303 Grenade and propane tank dude got a some other wild ass vids I was just watching. They shot a wall of propane tanks with an AK-47. Awesome, just frigging awesome. lol

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at March 21, 2021 09:03 PM (9Om/r)

304 Posted by: Jim at March 21, 2021 09:00 PM (QzJWU)

That's two major problems. I see why they at have given up.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 21, 2021 09:03 PM (2DOZq)

305 The guy who currently supplies most Hollywood with
weapons was in the Israeli military and seems like a very knowledgeable
guy. Larry Zanoff is his name IIRC. He is on the show a Hollywood
weapons which I really like.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 21, 2021 08:51 PM (2DOZq)

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Right, but even a good armorer has to cut corners. For example, blanks don't have the same recoil as live rounds, yet you see people able to fire weapons on full auto with perfect control. Those are the things I talk about, and also the current market for people who might want to have one of John Wick's guns.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at March 21, 2021 09:03 PM (llXky)

306 300 271 Weasel, you must have good eyesight.

Those old 1903's have great target sights if you have the sharp eyes to go with it, especially with the thin issued front sight blade. I put a Marine width sight blade on my 1903a3 along with a front sight hood to help. My WWI vintage 1903 has the correct period sights even if the stock is not original.
Posted by: whig at March 21, 2021 09:01 PM (pO7gM)
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Surprisingly, given all the other parts that have failed or fallen off, my eyes are still OK!

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 09:04 PM (MVjcR)

307 294 Grump 928c,
Midway has a bunch in 5.56/.223 etc. in their house brand named Stoner. Primary Arms has quite a few too including Faxon which is a decent mid grade barrel and do not forget Brownells. Then there are the specialty sites.

However, if you want 6.5 Grendel, 6.8 SPC, 450 Bushmaster/458Socom, those barrels are in short supply right now.

Posted by: whig at March 21, 2021 09:04 PM (pO7gM)

308
When picking a lane I carefully check to see if any of those rigs are nearby.
Posted by: rhomboid at March 21, 2021 08:59 PM (OTzUX)
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I was shooting at an outdoor range, guy showed up with a 300 WinMag with a muzzle brake, and he checked to make sure it was okay with the people on either side and made sure to warn about keeping ear protection in place. We're talking minimum 10 yards between benches, yet, the guy was very conscientious about warning everyone.

Another time, I was at an indoor range, and some jackass came in with an AR with a muzzle brake. I was several lanes down and even then, it was enough to send me out to get some foam plugs to put under ear muffs.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at March 21, 2021 09:04 PM (2SdPm)

309 Howdy, Weasel!

Posted by: Ladyl, Insurrectionist at March 21, 2021 09:04 PM (TdMsT)

310 foreign and domestic obsolete military cartridges (e.g. Krag, 7.65 Argentine, 8x56r Austrian, 6.5 Carcano, etc.).

**

Yeah, I'd definitely hope I'd be reloading and picking up any and all deals ahead of time if that was my interest. That door probably locks up tight when it closes.

Posted by: Lysenko - Click here for COVID vaccination document, print on card stock at March 21, 2021 09:04 PM (e6I/s)

311 Guns! Late, but....Guns!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, shotguns solve problems at March 21, 2021 09:04 PM (uxJPn)

312 Hello Horde. Thank you to all doubt removed, Gouverneur Morris, and Picric for your great reports, and great shootin', y'all! And thank you as always to the esteemed Weasel!

Baby steps for me this week. Had my pistol checked out after having mechanical problems taking it apart for cleaning during class. All seems well now. Nice young man at Sportsman's talked me through it so well that I could successfully remove the slide *and* put it back on at home all by myself.

Also finally learned how to lock the slide back w/o a magazine in. Little things like this make me happy because I have no mechanical ability whatsoever.

On my to do list is to get my CC permit app in, now that I have my certificate (I am certifiable??!). I could carry in Wyo w/o a permit, but I think it will be good to have for travel. Have 2 epic road trips planned this year-- Montana in June, and TEXAS (!!!) in October.

Posted by: screaming in digital at March 21, 2021 09:04 PM (kTRt4)

313 But tank main guns now use caseless ammo, for the most part, I think. Different issue, but caseless. Don't know if this is true beyond the US military.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 21, 2021 09:05 PM (OTzUX)

314 I was always told to close the cylinder of a revolver by pushing on the crane. Jerry doesn't mention this so now I wonder.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at March 21, 2021 09:05 PM (yQpMk)

315 Posted by: all doubt removed at March 21, 2021 09:02 PM (S2eH9)
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Happy to have you here, Annie!

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 09:05 PM (MVjcR)

316 Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at March 21, 2021 09:03 PM (llXky)

You must have talked a lot about Brandon Lee's death.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 21, 2021 09:06 PM (2DOZq)

317 Fun fact: You can use a silencer on the Nagant revolver. Standard cylinder gap rules don't apply.

Posted by: callsign claymore at March 21, 2021 09:06 PM (U/CJZ)

318 whoa

dats alot of content

Posted by: will choose a nic later at March 21, 2021 09:06 PM (r4bSV)

319 But tank main guns now use caseless ammo, for the
most part, I think. Different issue, but caseless. Don't know if this
is true beyond the US military.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 21, 2021 09:05 PM (OTzUX)

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Tank ammunition isn't crammed into a box magazine by an 18-year-old in a hurry.

Also, rain doesn't tend to penetrate M1 Abrams turrets. Lots of issues apply to small arms that don't adhere to heavier ordnance.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at March 21, 2021 09:07 PM (llXky)

320 Hey, screaming. What pistol are you shooting?

Posted by: callsign claymore at March 21, 2021 09:07 PM (U/CJZ)

321
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, shotguns solve problems at March 21, 2021 09:04 PM (uxJPn)
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Howdy, MAE!

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 09:08 PM (MVjcR)

322 I know people who would never consider shooting black powder because of the cleaning requirement. (Also, they get impatient with the pace of shooting that slowly compared to semi-autos.)

Folks, it ain't that bad. Yes, it has to be done after every session but requires only water to clean and the usual lubes and oils afterwards. It takes me about 15 minutes to clean a cap and ball revolver start to finish but I take my time. And there is a certain satisfaction in maintaining them. I have black powder guns I've used for decades without a trace of rust or corrosion.

Posted by: JTB at March 21, 2021 09:08 PM (7EjX1)

323 Yeah the Nagant has that odd feature where the cylinder closes up to the frame when firing. I wonder if that seal is tight enough that a "revolver grip" is not required to avoid possible burns to the support hand.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 21, 2021 09:08 PM (OTzUX)

324 I just had a 300blk pistolmupper shipped overnight from mas defense

Posted by: Jean at March 21, 2021 09:09 PM (Xih1H)

325 Posted by: screaming in digital at March 21, 2021 09:04 PM (kTRt4)
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Howdy screaming in digital! Nice to see you!

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 09:09 PM (MVjcR)

326 screaming in digital, you are going to have soooo much fun in Texas!

Posted by: Ben Had at March 21, 2021 09:09 PM (Oihsp)

327 306 Weasel,
The smallest aperture sight that I have ever seen on an issued rifle is my 1902 Krag with the Crozier sight aperture leaf. I really do not know how they expected someone to actually see through the darn thing in a battle. The 1902 sight is basically the 1898 open sights (almost a spitting image of the new Brit Lee-Enfield sights) with a foldover sight aperture leaf with a tiny hole for fine shooting but as those 1902 Krag sights had no LR windage, you had guesstimate windage to push the shot left or right. The early British Lee Enfield sights did have LR windage adjustments until midpoint of WWI.

Posted by: whig at March 21, 2021 09:09 PM (pO7gM)

328 Hey, callsign, as of December I'm the proud owner of a Sig Sauer P365 (micro compact version).

Posted by: screaming in digital at March 21, 2021 09:09 PM (kTRt4)

329 I was always told to close the cylinder of a revolver by pushing on the crane. Jerry doesn't mention this so now I wonder.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at March 21, 2021 09:05 PM (yQpMk)

Me too. I think Jerry's main point was not to roll the cylinder while closing it and forcing it into place.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 21, 2021 09:09 PM (R/m4+)

330 Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at March 21, 2021 09:07 PM (llXky)

I think the ammo in the G11 is already pre loaded on a strip that's inserted into the weapon.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 21, 2021 09:10 PM (2DOZq)

331 323....

It's a good enough seal (when using proper ammunition loaded with the case extending beyond the bullet) to effectively suppress.

Posted by: PacosMojo at March 21, 2021 09:10 PM (1Fv0G)

332 All right, quick range report for posterity and then I'll read the content/comments, swearsies.

I ordered some more buckshot from LAX Ammo, they were out of what I ordered (and paid for) but they called me up and asked if they could substitute something else if they threw in 10 more rounds. I said yes, and they sent me 60 rounds of 9 pellet buckshot of the 'Mili' brand. Never heard of it. But the good news is, it's stout enough to cycle my Benelli Super 90 with zero malfunctions and it creates lethal patterns at 20 yards. Winning.

Next up, testing 200 grain ball ammo, this time from Freedom Munitions out of Idaho. I tested 50 rounds through my SR 1911 and my G21, which was on carry rotation this week. Round functioned flawlessly, printing a bit low. At shorter ranges, I got better groups with my G21 (I never have been in love with the 1911 trigger), but all the way out at 25 yards, I got 4/5 head hits with the SR1911, but only 1/5 with the G21. Ouch, not winning. More practice time needed for the G21.

Finally, put 50 rounds of 36 grain nickel cased Armscorp .22lr out of the CZ 75 Kadet adapter. This has been a real problem round for me, in multiple pistols. 1/2

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, shotguns solve problems at March 21, 2021 09:10 PM (uxJPn)

333 ..But tank main guns now use caseless ammo, for the most part, I think. Different issue, but caseless. Don't know if this is true beyond the US military. Posted by: rhomboid at March 21, 2021 09:05 PM (OTzUX)

Every tank round is shipped in it's own (very) protective heavy cardboard tube or box, until the tank crew & logistics team hand up each round to the gunner's hatch in the turret, where it's handed down and placed into the turret's shell delivery mechanism. That takes care of the "fragility" issue. I know they have doctrine to prevent cook-offs in the tube, but I'm not conversant with the details thereof. Betcha SMH will know!

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at March 21, 2021 09:11 PM (QzJWU)

334 Posted by: whig at March 21, 2021 09:09 PM (pO7gM)
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I was amazed that I hit the berm!

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 09:12 PM (MVjcR)

335 Played around with "ballistics gelatin" for the first time this weekend. A 400 gr. bullet at 2,400 FPS does a lot of damage to jello bricks!

Posted by: PacosMojo at March 21, 2021 09:12 PM (1Fv0G)

336 Im.surprised we haven't seen caseless aviation weapons

Posted by: Jean at March 21, 2021 09:12 PM (Xih1H)

337 326 screaming in digital, you are going to have soooo much fun in Texas!
Posted by: Ben Had at March 21, 2021 09:09 PM (Oihsp)
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Oh hell yes.

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 09:13 PM (MVjcR)

338 screaming, great pick. The P365 has nice ergos.

Posted by: callsign claymore at March 21, 2021 09:13 PM (U/CJZ)

339 310, Lysenko,
Generally, if you buy one to be a shooter, you go ahead and buy the dies, brass, bullets, and any ammo you can scrounge up at the same time. Otherwise, you risk having a firearm with nothing to feed it.

Prvi Partisan, by simply making brass and ammo available for these old warhorses, has raised prices for these old rifles. Even about 6-8 years ago, Austrian 8x56r rifles used in WWI and revamped as carbines for WWII were bringing only about $100-200 in good condition because no one could find the ammo to fire it other than dubious WWII vintage milsurp ammo. Prvi now makes it. Ditto for Carcanos.

Posted by: whig at March 21, 2021 09:14 PM (pO7gM)

340 Posted by: PacosMojo at March 21, 2021 09:12 PM (1Fv0G)
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What's that like to work with? I've been thinking about that for a video.

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 09:15 PM (MVjcR)

341 screaming in digital, you are going to have soooo much fun in Texas!
Posted by: Ben Had
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I can't wait! It will only be my 2nd time in Texas; I was in Dallas several years ago for a conference, no time to explore. I plan to drive in from Wyo, so I'll get to see a lot more of Texas!

Posted by: screaming in digital at March 21, 2021 09:15 PM (kTRt4)

342
hey!
stop shooting us bro!

Posted by: ballistic jello blocks at March 21, 2021 09:15 PM (r4bSV)

343 Jean - could be mistaken, but I think the USMC Cobra helicopter might have been switched to caseless ammo - a pilot showed it to me on his aircraft at the El Centro air show a few years ago. Unless I'm mis-remembering the issue. There was some major change in the ammo arrangement for the main gun.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 21, 2021 09:15 PM (OTzUX)

344 Sharon,

Sorry we can't meet up at the Manassas gun show next weekend. We have prior commitments. If you fill out the drawing card when you enter, it will get you on their mailing list and they will send you a dollar off entry coupon before the next show.

Posted by: JTB at March 21, 2021 09:16 PM (7EjX1)

345 Weasel, Nothing like a very big target such as a berm to give confidence for shooting.

Posted by: whig at March 21, 2021 09:16 PM (pO7gM)

346 Prvi makes decent 6.5x55swede, also AWOL.

Posted by: Jean at March 21, 2021 09:17 PM (Xih1H)

347 Drive by comment - howdy. Am in MT. Firearms words. I got my 2nd COVID shot yesterday. That is all

McGyver, over

Posted by: McGyver at March 21, 2021 09:17 PM (gMngZ)

348 I think the ammo in the G11 is already pre loaded on a strip that's inserted into the weapon.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 21, 2021 09:10 PM (2DOZq)

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So is conventional ammo. It's inserted byvfitting the strip to the magazine using a special tool and then jamming it into the mag. It is not a delicate operation.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at March 21, 2021 09:17 PM (llXky)

349 345 Weasel, Nothing like a very big target such as a berm to give confidence for shooting.
Posted by: whig at March 21, 2021 09:16 PM (pO7gM)
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The target frame at 1k is 6' x 6' and I was really happy to be in the black.

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 09:18 PM (MVjcR)

350 Posted by: McGyver at March 21, 2021 09:17 PM (gMngZ)
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Howdy brother!

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 09:18 PM (MVjcR)

351
Im.surprised we haven't seen caseless aviation weapons

Posted by: Jean at March 21, 2021 09:12 PM (Xih1H)

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They use powered feeds that prevent jams and ignore rounds that fail to fire. I've seen the casings for the A-10 and they are...robust.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at March 21, 2021 09:19 PM (llXky)

352 Drive by comment - howdy. Am in MT. Firearms words. I got my 2nd COVID shot yesterday. That is all

McGyver, over
Posted by: McGyver at

Any chance you could paste hi res pics of the card

Posted by: Jean at March 21, 2021 09:19 PM (Xih1H)

353 Screaming in digital, you need to talk to Helena Handbasket for the best route.

Posted by: Ben Had at March 21, 2021 09:19 PM (Oihsp)

354 ..Im.surprised we haven't seen caseless aviation weapons. Posted by: Jean at March 21, 2021 09:12 PM (Xih1H)

Same issues. Linked or unlinked, ammo being fed via chute to a Gatling gun is taking one hell of a beating along the way. A big chip out of one shell could stop the whole parade. And at 6,000 rounds per min. rate, even the six or seven barrels wouldn't have enough time to "rest" as they rotate to not become way to hot to prevent a caseless cook off. NOTE: a HUGE amount of chamber heat is drawn off with every ejected cartridge empty. It might seem "extra bulk", but it serves a very important and valuable purpose, even in the waste cycle.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at March 21, 2021 09:19 PM (QzJWU)

355 Hello Darlings!

Hubs is having a hard time finding ammunition. Can you buy it online?

Posted by: ALH at March 21, 2021 09:19 PM (oUcR5)

356 Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at March 21, 2021 09:03 PM (9Om/r)
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Hey man! That guy does have some crazy shit on his channel!

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 09:20 PM (MVjcR)

357 I ate jello blocks today.

Posted by: Joe Biden at March 21, 2021 09:20 PM (63Dwl)

358 I generally hate muzzle brakes when whoever has one is firing next to you. Especially indoors as the concussive blast is pretty bad and it gets worse the shorter that the barrel is.

Good practice distraction when firing pistol next to someone like that though.

Posted by: whig at March 21, 2021 09:20 PM (pO7gM)

359 I spent nine months in a platoon size compound at the end on the road RVN. Our team house was a little shack about 8' x 20'. Tight for six men. We had a single row of sandbags on one side with three 5' propane bottles leaning against them, for cooking and fridge. You learned to sleep soundly after a while.

Posted by: Javems at March 21, 2021 09:20 PM (8SSHh)

360 Skip,

You mentioned wanting either a Walker Colt or Dragoon. Just so you are aware, these are BIG revolvers, especially the Walker. The Walker wasn't carried on the person but in holsters on the saddle. But it is powerful. The Walker was the most powerful handgun in the world until the 357 magnum came along in the the 1930s. But it weighs over 4 pounds IIRC.

Posted by: JTB at March 21, 2021 09:21 PM (7EjX1)

361 It might seem "extra bulk", but it serves a very important and valuable purpose, even in the waste cycle.

Jim

But the weight cost is enormous

Posted by: Jean at March 21, 2021 09:21 PM (Xih1H)

362 346 Jean, both SG Ammo and AimSurplus have 6.5 Swede in stock as of yesterday. Think it was Prvi 140 gr.

Posted by: whig at March 21, 2021 09:21 PM (pO7gM)

363 I'll just leave this here in case anyone has any interest in it.

Posted by: Lysenko - click here for your covid vaccine documentation and directions at March 21, 2021 09:21 PM (TIEIK)

364 But the weight cost is enormous
Posted by: Jean at March 21, 2021 09:21 PM (Xih1H)
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Well, once the ammo is shot, the weight cost comes down.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at March 21, 2021 09:22 PM (2SdPm)

365 Has the US military gone to polymer case? That lightens the load.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 21, 2021 09:22 PM (2DOZq)

366 > I'm making them for you all, so please let me know if you have any particular requests or ideas regarding content.

How about a thread focusing on the current state-of-the-art in 3D printed guns?

These have improved A LOT in the last year or two. They've gone from designs that were good for one shot (if you were lucky) to designs that can reliably fire thousands of rounds.

Now, in general the "guns" you can make this way are lower receivers and such (i.e., the parts regulated as the "gun" by the ATF), but recently people are even experimenting with using 3D-printed mandrels to electrochemically put the rifling on barrels.

I am a complete novice in this area... I have a 3D printer, but haven't yet made any guns (I've made a bunch of other stuff with it, though, and it is loads of fun). Nonetheless, I find the whole idea fascinating.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at March 21, 2021 09:22 PM (JZT2F)

367 screaming, great pick. The P365 has nice ergos.
Posted by: callsign claymore
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I've only put maybe 70-80 rounds through it so far, but I like it very much. It's got a little kick for me, which doesn't bother me in terms of how it feels. But it definitely affects my accuracy. Much more practice is needed.

Posted by: screaming in digital at March 21, 2021 09:23 PM (kTRt4)

368 362 346 Jean, both SG Ammo and AimSurplus have 6.5 Swede in stock as of yesterday. Think it was Prvi 140 gr.
Posted by: whig

Thank you..

Posted by: Jean at March 21, 2021 09:23 PM (Xih1H)

369 I can't wait! It will only be my 2nd time in Texas; I was in Dallas several years ago for a conference, no time to explore. I plan to drive in from Wyo, so I'll get to see a lot more of Texas!
Posted by: screaming in digital at March 21, 2021 09:15 PM (kTRt4)

I love Texas. Wife and I met at Fort Sam Houston *mumble-mumble* years ago. We are rigging up my truck to double as a tent. We will be at the TX MoMe this time.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Skwerls Snowboarding on my Roof at March 21, 2021 09:23 PM (x8Wzq)

370 355 ALH,
What particular cartridge does your husband want? .223/5.56 and .308 are available if pricey.

Posted by: whig at March 21, 2021 09:23 PM (pO7gM)

371 Weasel,

Thanks for another wonderful thread. It's always so much fun and informative.

Posted by: JTB at March 21, 2021 09:23 PM (7EjX1)

372 You must have talked a lot about Brandon Lee's death.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 21, 2021 09:06 PM (2DOZq)

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Funny you should mention that, I just did an article on The Crow, but it didn't focus on the weapons.

Hollywood still leans on shotguns and revolvers because they take blanks well and are manually cycled. When it comes to auto-loaders, my understanding is that specially modified prop guns are the rule (think integrated blank adapters).

A lot of movies are filmed in the UK, where functional firearms are pretty much illegal, so they're all just glorified starter pistols.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at March 21, 2021 09:24 PM (llXky)

373 Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at March 21, 2021 09:22 PM (JZT2F)
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We had a reader submitted thread on that not too long ago. I really am not very familiar with the process other than in very general terms. Email me and I will dig up a link or if there is enough interest, I can post it again.

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 09:24 PM (MVjcR)

374 Hey Pug, Fort Sam was my last post. Great place.

Posted by: callsign claymore at March 21, 2021 09:25 PM (QJzgD)

375
Posted by: JTB at March 21, 2021 09:23 PM (7EjX1)
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My pleasure JTB. Thank you!

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 09:25 PM (MVjcR)

376 Ben Had, will do, thanks! I'm in touch with a few other CO Hordians via email and phone and will be talking more with them as the time draws near...

Posted by: screaming in digital at March 21, 2021 09:26 PM (kTRt4)

377 ..But the weight cost is enormous. Posted by: Jean at March 21, 2021 09:21 PM (Xih1H)

No argument there! FWIW, the newer polymer/carbon/exotics casings are showing early promise to really be an advancement in the art. The reportedly even obdurate (elasticity/stretch & snap back to dimension), quite similar to brass. At about 1/2 to 1/3 the weight of brass. Don't know if they'll end up reloadable or not, but light(er) weight ammo WOULD be a welcome thing!

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at March 21, 2021 09:26 PM (QzJWU)

378 Pug, that makes me very happy.

Posted by: Ben Had at March 21, 2021 09:27 PM (Oihsp)

379 > We had a reader submitted thread on that not too long ago.

Hmm... I must've missed that. I will patrol back through the archives, and let you know if I can't find it.

Thanks!

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at March 21, 2021 09:27 PM (JZT2F)

380 327 306 Weasel,

The smallest aperture sight that I have ever seen on an issued rifle
is my 1902 Krag with the Crozier sight aperture leaf. I really do not
know how they expected someone to actually see through the darn thing in
a battle....

Posted by: whig at March 21, 2021 09:09 PM (pO7gM)

I have three Krags, 2 rifles and one carbine. Different sights on all.

Posted by: Javems at March 21, 2021 09:27 PM (8SSHh)

381 OK. 9:30 thank you time!

Thanks, all of you. I cannot tell you how much I appreciate all of you guys and gals. You're the best. No kidding.

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 09:27 PM (MVjcR)

382 Pug, that makes me very happy.
Posted by: Ben Had
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Me too!

Posted by: screaming in digital at March 21, 2021 09:27 PM (kTRt4)

383 He needs a 45 long colt or a 2.5" long 410.

Posted by: ALH at March 21, 2021 09:28 PM (oUcR5)

384 Hi screaming in digital. Can I send an email to you? I live in Montana. Perhaps we could have a micro MoMoMe.

Posted by: Numbuh Two, 2x4 Technology Operative at March 21, 2021 09:28 PM (3a1qf)

385 368 Jean, you are welcome. I have only seen Prvi 6.5 Swede. I have also seen some Prvi Match 7.62x54r for $30 bucks or so at Wideners.

Best places for Prvi Ammo that I have seen with regular supply are generally Aim Surplus, JG Sales, Midway, and SG Ammo.

For who needs it, Prvi 8x57 Mauser is around too.

Posted by: whig at March 21, 2021 09:28 PM (pO7gM)

386 Hey Pug, Fort Sam was my last post. Great place.
Posted by: callsign claymore at March 21, 2021 09:25 PM (QJzgD)

AIT for me. Medic. Good Lord, that was a long time ago.

Being 29 sucks, sometimes. Now I'm all nostalgic and shit.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Skwerls Snowboarding on my Roof at March 21, 2021 09:28 PM (x8Wzq)

387 Just want to thank Weasel and all the posters on the gun thread. Every week I understand a little more jargon.

Posted by: Gouverneur Morris at March 21, 2021 09:29 PM (PHxng)

388 Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at March 21, 2021 09:27 PM (JZT2F)
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Im sure it's not in the archives I set up, but would be in the blog archives. Start in Dec and work forward. Or just email.

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 09:29 PM (MVjcR)

389 340....

Hi Weasel. First off, my "ballistic gelatin" is simply 10% unflavored Knox gelatin, with 5 ml. of 1M proprionic acid added to prevent fungal growth. I also add a few drops of cinnamon oil to help clarify the gel. I spent $84 (Amazon) to buy enough gelatin (5 pounds total) in order to cast two 6" X 6" X 16" blocks. I picked up a mold on sale at Midway for $65. However, you could make your own mold or use a plastic bin of the appropriate size. As for working with the stuff, you'll need a paint mixer that attaches to a drill in order to blend in the gelatin powder, a clean 5 gallon plastic bucket, very hot water, and a refrigerator you can place a heavy (22 pounds or so with the steel mold) and hot box that smells like burnt hair. Recycling the blocks is fairly easy, as all you have to do is chop up the used gelatin and melt the stuff in a large (or two) double boilers. And the need to me kept cold, so transport them in a cooler with ice.

Posted by: PacosMojo at March 21, 2021 09:29 PM (1Fv0G)

390 6.5swede ordered, 9mm was more expensive, wtf

Posted by: Jean at March 21, 2021 09:29 PM (Xih1H)

391 Posted by: Gouverneur Morris at March 21, 2021 09:29 PM (PHxng)
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You are most certainly welcome. Very nice to have you here.

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 09:30 PM (MVjcR)

392 Thank you, Weasel.

Posted by: callsign claymore at March 21, 2021 09:30 PM (QJzgD)

393 Thanks again, weasel!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at March 21, 2021 09:30 PM (2SdPm)

394 Pug, that makes me very happy.
Posted by: Ben Had at March 21, 2021 09:27 PM (Oihsp)

Me too. I hated missing the last one.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Skwerls Snowboarding on my Roof at March 21, 2021 09:30 PM (x8Wzq)

395 Time to wind down.
Forgot to chime in on Jim SND's first comment:
Yes, you get better with lotsa shooting. And good instruction. Like from here.
Night, all.

Posted by: RI Red at March 21, 2021 09:31 PM (UcFqt)

396 376 Ben Had, will do, thanks! I'm in touch with a few other CO Hordians via email and phone and will be talking more with them as the time draws near...
Posted by: screaming in digital at March 21, 2021 09:26 PM (kTRt4)
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Uh oh! They're organizing!

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 09:31 PM (MVjcR)

397 The Walker was the most powerful handgun in the
world until the 357 magnum came along in the the 1930s.

Posted by: JTB at March 21, 2021 09:21 PM (7EjX1)

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By what measure? Black powder cartridges get their power simply by throwing progressively larger pieces of lead downrange. There's not much you do about increasing velocity so you just make a bigger bullet. Since bullets can be made on an individual basis, cap and ball revolvers don't really have a "factory load."

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at March 21, 2021 09:31 PM (llXky)

398 Posted by: callsign claymore at March 21, 2021 09:30 PM (QJzgD)
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My pleasure.

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 09:32 PM (MVjcR)

399 Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at March 21, 2021 09:30 PM (2SdPm)
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Happy to do it. You all make it fun!

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 09:32 PM (MVjcR)

400 380 Javems,
The sights themselves are now a collectible item. The 1901 Buffington sights for the rifle go for well over $150 bucks in full working order, nearly $400 or so for the carbine sights of that same model. The 1902 rifle sights are also severely collectible bringing similar prices as the 1901 Krag sights. The 1894 sights are actually one of the cheaper ones because they were taken off for 96 and 98 Krag sights.

Krag stocks in good shape are very expensive (about 400-500 now without metal) but nothing compared to the handguards (150-200 for the rarer models in good shape). Even the repros have dried up.

Posted by: whig at March 21, 2021 09:33 PM (pO7gM)

401 Ben Had, will do, thanks! I'm in touch with a few other CO Hordians via email and phone and will be talking more with them as the time draws near...
Posted by: screaming in digital at March 21, 2021 09:26 PM (kTRt4)
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Uh oh! They're organizing!
Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 09:31 PM (MVjcR)

We got a big ol' convoy!

My handle will Slippery Weevil.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Skwerls Snowboarding on my Roof at March 21, 2021 09:33 PM (x8Wzq)

402 Weasel, Thank you for all you do.
P.S. When you meet the man, you know what a treasure he is.

Posted by: Ben Had at March 21, 2021 09:33 PM (Oihsp)

403 Whig, what has been available is the euro style soft point moose killer bullets. I prefer the boat tail or bonded accu point type rounds. I grabbed a few cases to shoot in a new diopter.

Posted by: Jean at March 21, 2021 09:33 PM (Xih1H)

404 I like that the term Magnum in the firearms world was taken from the term used for size of a champagne bottle.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 21, 2021 09:34 PM (2DOZq)

405 402 Weasel, Thank you for all you do.
P.S. When you meet the man, you know what a treasure he is.
Posted by: Ben Had at March 21, 2021 09:33 PM (Oihsp)

Yes. And you too, Ben Had.

Posted by: Ladyl, Insurrectionist at March 21, 2021 09:34 PM (TdMsT)

406 Posted by: PacosMojo at March 21, 2021 09:29 PM (1Fv0G)
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Thanks Pacos. That sounds like what I've read, which makes it sort of unlikely to happen at the farm. Rats. Thank you though!

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 09:34 PM (MVjcR)

407 am I an idiot for preferring simple iron sights?
Posted by: Dave at March 21, 2021 07:14 PM (KWYbg)

NO.

Posted by: GWB at March 21, 2021 09:34 PM (QTm+F)

408 Thanks as usual Weasel.

I spent part of today cleaning firearms for range use and storage. Maybe if the weather is ok, I will make it out to the range this week.

Posted by: whig at March 21, 2021 09:36 PM (pO7gM)

409 Posted by: RI Red at March 21, 2021 09:31 PM (UcFqt)
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'night, pal!

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 09:36 PM (MVjcR)

410 Hi screaming in digital. Can I send an email to you? I live in Montana. Perhaps we could have a micro MoMoMe.
Posted by: Numbuh Two, 2x4 Technology Operative
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Absolutely! I'd love to meet Montana 'rons and 'ettes if possible. And maybe get some recommendations, as it will be my first time in Montana. My primary destination is Glacier NP.

(I'm an 'ette btw, I've been misgendered on the ONT... lol)

Posted by: screaming in digital at March 21, 2021 09:36 PM (kTRt4)

411 Thought I had a line on a Phaeton underhammer this week. But no

Posted by: Jean at March 21, 2021 09:36 PM (Xih1H)

412 Thank you for another great thread, Weasel.

Posted by: Ladyl, Insurrectionist at March 21, 2021 09:36 PM (TdMsT)

413 Posted by: Ben Had at March 21, 2021 09:33 PM (Oihsp)
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Big hug for you.

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 09:37 PM (MVjcR)

414 Damn , Weasel turned on the lights and stacking chairs.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 21, 2021 09:37 PM (2DOZq)

415 Posted by: whig at March 21, 2021 09:36 PM (pO7gM)
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My pleasure whig. Thanks for being here!!

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 09:37 PM (MVjcR)

416
I like that the term Magnum in the firearms world was taken from the term used for size of a champagne bottle.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 21, 2021 09:34 PM (2DOZq)

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I think it's funny that Magnum p.i.'s weapon of choice was a 1911, not a magnum.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at March 21, 2021 09:39 PM (llXky)

417 Posted by: Ladyl, Insurrectionist at March 21, 2021 09:36 PM (TdMsT)
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Big hug for you too!

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 09:39 PM (MVjcR)

418 Oh, are we done now? Thanks again, Weasel!

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at March 21, 2021 09:39 PM (llXky)

419 Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 21, 2021 09:37 PM (2DOZq)
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But I don't have the broom and dustpan out yet!

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 09:39 PM (MVjcR)

420 Awww, Weasel. You sweetie-pie.

Posted by: Ladyl, Insurrectionist at March 21, 2021 09:40 PM (TdMsT)

421 Uh oh! They're organizing!
Posted by: Weasel
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"I really don't know how to describe it. It was like the turkeys mounted a counterattack. It was almost as if they were... organized..."

-- Les Nessman

Posted by: screaming in digital at March 21, 2021 09:40 PM (kTRt4)

422 Weasel - Maduros are a little too heavy for me. But I like the flavor, just can't finish one

McGyver, over

Posted by: McGyver at March 21, 2021 09:40 PM (gMngZ)

423 403 Jean,
Right now premium hunting rounds are pretty scarce online. Right now, I would consider reloading if you want the premium stuff, Grafs and Sons though does stock the Lapua 6.5 Swede premium ammo and has had Norma I believe as well.

Posted by: whig at March 21, 2021 09:40 PM (pO7gM)

424 Damn , Weasel turned on the lights and stacking chairs.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth
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You don't have to go home, but you can't stay here!

Posted by: screaming in digital at March 21, 2021 09:41 PM (kTRt4)

425 2/2

That problem child reputation of the Armscorp 36 grain nickel cased came up again. The ammo printed very nice groups, shooting the fuck out of the 10 ring at 7 yards. However, had 3 stovepipes in 50 rounds.
(insert interruption of wife mental breakdown regarding her puppy)

The stovepipes may be the magzines fault, they are very new and you got to really fight to get the 10th round into it. Will test again with 9 rounds.

Finally, when it came time to clean the tools, FUCKING 1911's...and their fucking springs. The Glock, even the CZ 75 was a snap in comparison. I'm sticking to guns made after 1975, I think.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, shotguns solve problems at March 21, 2021 09:41 PM (uxJPn)

426 Got some tough days coming up.

My dad is dying. Advanced dementia. No recovering from that. He has a few food days, many bad days. I will be heading to Montana some time this week to be with him. I am watching the weather. It's the usual spring storm chaos in CO-WY-MT. But when I called Mom earlier today he said "Mike," and "Hi."

Dear Lord I love my Pop. And my Mom is an Angel straight from Heaven. So glad he is at home to be with her.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Skwerls Snowboarding on my Roof at March 21, 2021 09:41 PM (x8Wzq)

427 418 Oh, are we done now? Thanks again, Weasel!
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at March 21, 2021 09:39 PM (llXky)
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Nope! I'll be around for a bit, and I always check back in the AM for late questions or comments.

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 09:41 PM (MVjcR)

428 Sorry to derail the thread.

Go Gubs!

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Skwerls Snowboarding on my Roof at March 21, 2021 09:41 PM (x8Wzq)

429 Posted by: Pug Mahon, Skwerls Snowboarding on my Roof at March 21, 2021 09:41 PM (x8Wzq)
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Very sorry to hear that, Pug. I went through something similar with my dad. Tough road.

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 09:42 PM (MVjcR)

430 Dear Lord I love my Pop. And my Mom is an Angel straight from Heaven. So glad he is at home to be with her.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Skwerls Snowboarding on my Roof at March 21, 2021 09:41 PM (x8Wzq)

So sorry to learn this, Pug.

Many of us here have been through it recently.

Let us be a support to you.

Posted by: Ladyl, Insurrectionist at March 21, 2021 09:43 PM (TdMsT)

431 Hugs to you, Pug. If there is anything I can do please let me know. Safe travels.

Posted by: screaming in digital at March 21, 2021 09:43 PM (kTRt4)

432 428 Sorry to derail the thread.

Go Gubs!
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Skwerls Snowboarding on my Roof at March 21, 2021 09:41 PM (x8Wzq)
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No worries, bro.

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 09:43 PM (MVjcR)

433 425 MAE, you might also want to check the rims on that Armscor .22 LR's. Under the right conditions, that can lead to malfunctions as well. To check your mags, use a sharpie to find out where the rubs are wearing off and where they are not.

You can buy a rim checker for .22 ammo for pretty cheap either on ebay or your better firearm supply sellers online.

Posted by: whig at March 21, 2021 09:44 PM (pO7gM)

434 Posted by: McGyver at March 21, 2021 09:40 PM (gMngZ)
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Definitely an acquired taste!

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 09:44 PM (MVjcR)

435 Krag stocks in good shape are very expensive
(about 400-500 now without metal) but nothing compared to the handguards
(150-200 for the rarer models in good shape). Even the repros have
dried up.

Posted by: whig at March 21, 2021 09:33 PM (pO7gM)

I have one partial that needs a barrel, stock and handguard. Been shopping around looking to make it whole but the parts are ridiculous. Hate to waste a receiver but I might just try and sell off the rest of the parts.

Posted by: Javems at March 21, 2021 09:44 PM (8SSHh)

436 Last night USNtakim was asking if anyone knew where AR barrels might be in stock.

It's a good question because they are as rare as hen's teeth right now.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at March 21, 2021 08:52 PM (yQpMk)

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Bear Creek Arsenal has some, last i looked the other day.

not sure what he's looking for though, and pistol barrels are all over, for those who want them. i just don't see the point of an AR pistol, but YMMV.

Posted by: redc1c4 (*OTUS Zhou Bai-Din Cheated) at March 21, 2021 09:45 PM (fPTiZ)

437 OK, two questions for the horde that's still here:

Any recommendations for an inexpensive muzzle-loader?

And, how about an air rifle? Would you avoid the ones requiring a cylinder?

Posted by: GWB at March 21, 2021 09:45 PM (QTm+F)

438 421 Uh oh! They're organizing!
Posted by: Weasel
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"I really don't know how to describe it. It was like the turkeys mounted a counterattack. It was almost as if they were... organized..."

-- Les Nessman
Posted by: screaming in digital at March 21, 2021 09:40 PM (kTRt4)
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HA!!

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 09:45 PM (MVjcR)

439 435 Javems, go to everygunpart.com, as of today, they had two parted out Krags (they buy destroyed receivers). At least one had a handguard in decent shape and original barrel. Both of the stocks, one was original with proof mark but had some damage. Might have been an original carbine stock or one altered to make it so.

About $300 for the lot of parts minus the receiver.

Posted by: whig at March 21, 2021 09:46 PM (pO7gM)

440 I bought a compact red dot for a low price, and I'm happy with it.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at March 21, 2021 09:46 PM (ybIRR)

441 437 OK, two questions for the horde that's still here:

Any recommendations for an inexpensive muzzle-loader?

And, how about an air rifle? Would you avoid the ones requiring a cylinder?
Posted by: GWB at March 21, 2021 09:45 PM (QTm+F)
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We have a couple of knowledgeable people here - if you don't get an answer I can put it into the thread next week.

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 09:47 PM (MVjcR)

442 Um, Javems, I meant to say that they buy firearms destroyed by law enforcement and sell the remaining parts other than the receiver. Got it backwards.

Posted by: whig at March 21, 2021 09:47 PM (pO7gM)

443 "I really don't know how to describe it. It was like the turkeys mounted a counterattack. It was almost as if they were... organized..."

-- Les Nessman
Posted by: screaming in digital at March 21, 2021 09:40 PM (kTRt4)

I don't care who you are, that's funny right there.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Skwerls Snowboarding on my Roof at March 21, 2021 09:48 PM (x8Wzq)

444 Sigh.
Of course miss the gun thread. Oh well.
I can always try to hijack normal threads, as is traditional.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, shotguns solve problems at March 21, 2021 09:49 PM (uxJPn)

445 443 "I really don't know how to describe it. It was like the turkeys mounted a counterattack. It was almost as if they were... organized..."

-- Les Nessman
Posted by: screaming in digital at March 21, 2021 09:40 PM (kTRt4)

I don't care who you are, that's funny right there.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Skwerls Snowboarding on my Roof at March 21, 2021 09:48 PM (x8Wzq)

I wonder if this quote could ne applied to a group of Mor---

Nah. That would be too far-fetched.

Posted by: Ladyl, Insurrectionist at March 21, 2021 09:49 PM (TdMsT)

446 Pug, sorry to hear about your troubles, man.

I'll badger some saints to pray for your father. St. Joseph, for sure. He's the patron saint of a happy, holy death.

Posted by: callsign claymore at March 21, 2021 09:50 PM (QJzgD)

447 And, how about an air rifle? Would you avoid the ones requiring a cylinder?
Posted by: GWB at March 21, 2021 09:45 PM (QTm+F)

I just got a dpms ar style bb rifle. Full auto. Uses 2 co2 cylinders in the magazine.

An absolute blast and great for cheap training and practice.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 21, 2021 09:50 PM (R/m4+)

448 Finally, when it came time to clean the tools,
FUCKING 1911's...and their fucking springs. The Glock, even the CZ 75
was a snap in comparison. I'm sticking to guns made after 1975, I
think.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, shotguns solve problems at March 21, 2021 09:41 PM (uxJPn)

I found a good video for taking down a 1911. https://youtu.be/JYvVvBuV9uY

Posted by: Javems at March 21, 2021 09:51 PM (8SSHh)

449 Posted by: whig at March 21, 2021 09:44 PM (pO7gM)

Thanks whig, I'll check. This batch of ammo has been a pain so far. I only have the two mags that came with the Kadet kit and both seem to have been unused before I got my hot little hands on them, so I doubt either is defective yet.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, shotguns solve problems at March 21, 2021 09:51 PM (uxJPn)

450 Grafs and Sons though does stock the Lapua 6.5 Swede premium ammo and has had Norma I believe as well.
Posted by: whig

I'm hesitant to run that full test lapua thru a 125yo rifle

Posted by: Jean at March 21, 2021 09:52 PM (Xih1H)

451 448 MAE, stay away from S&W wonder nines then. Sigs and BHP's are not bad to take down at all.

Posted by: whig at March 21, 2021 09:52 PM (pO7gM)

452 I found a good video for taking down a 1911. https://youtu.be/JYvVvBuV9uY

Posted by: Javems at March 21, 2021 09:51 PM (8SSHh)

Jah, once you know what to do, it's doable. I don't use it much, so I had to dig out the manual (go ahead and laugh). I had the recoil spring plug go BOING! and land behind the dryer. Luckily a magnet and some paracord prevented me from having to move said appliance.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, shotguns solve problems at March 21, 2021 09:52 PM (uxJPn)

453 MAE, stay away from S&W wonder nines then. Sigs and BHP's are not bad to take down at all.
Posted by: whig at March 21, 2021 09:52 PM (pO7gM)

My SIG P320 is actually a pain, the takedown lever is not working as smoothly. Not as intuitive as my XD or Beretta.

I don't have a problem with my M&P Compact field strip, but then it's very Glock-like.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, shotguns solve problems at March 21, 2021 09:54 PM (uxJPn)

454 Pug, really sorry to hear that. My grandpa is in the middle stages of dimentia. He doesn't seem to be deteriorating but it's only a matter of time. He was such a brilliant guy, too. It's so sad to see him get angry because he can't remember how to work a TV remote.

Posted by: Broseidon at March 21, 2021 09:55 PM (GMreS)

455 397, Hi,

The Walker used the same projectile as the other 44 caliber C and B revolvers but could hold much more powder than any other. Even the Dragoons, big as they were, didn't come close. And the early smokeless revolver rounds tended to be smaller or less powerful. The first 357 magnums took a standard size bullet up to around 1,500 fps, maybe more. And the guns were heat treated to take the higher pressures without being oversized. Don't recall what powder was used.

Posted by: JTB at March 21, 2021 09:55 PM (7EjX1)

456 Jah, once you know what to do, it's doable. I don't use it much, so I had to dig out the manual (go ahead and laugh). I had the recoil spring plug go BOING! and land behind the dryer. Luckily a magnet and some paracord prevented me from having to move said appliance.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, shotguns solve problems at March 21, 2021 09:52 PM (uxJPn)

I've been assaulted by a 1911 spring. I pressed charges.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 21, 2021 09:56 PM (LNVrA)

457 442 Um, Javems, I meant to say that they buy firearms destroyed by law
enforcement and sell the remaining parts other than the receiver. Got it
backwards.

Posted by: whig at March 21, 2021 09:47 PM (pO7gM)

OK, thanks. I'll give them a look

Posted by: Javems at March 21, 2021 09:56 PM (8SSHh)

458 Prayers up, Pug.

Posted by: JT at March 21, 2021 09:56 PM (arJlL)

459 Mark, did you see my travails of the past two nights?

Tl;dr I'm potentially in line for a 3some but it would.probably jeopardize the current relationship dynamic.

Posted by: Broseidon at March 21, 2021 09:56 PM (GMreS)

460 Prayers up for Pug's Pop, Mom & Pug Actual. Safe travels, Pug.

Weasel, what's to say? The Gun Thread is fast becoming the Industry Standard. I have a sneaky feeling that more than one pair of Editorial Eyes have been watching this space. Nope, no specific knowledge, but it's never too long on the 'net before excellence is noted. Pro-Tip. Sign no contract with PJ Media, unless "Diluting Your Brand" is a major goal.

Tamara Keel of "The View From The Porch" blog rose to become the Handgun Editor for the NRA's "SHOOTING ILLUSTRATED". Jay G. of "Stuck in Massachussetts", became an NRA Staff Writer, and they moved him from MA to VA to do so. And you're already turning out Pro Production Grade content, in both video and print. My prediction? "Good Things To Come".

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at March 21, 2021 09:57 PM (QzJWU)

461 Jean, if that rifle has its original barrel, it will probably do best with those long 140-150 grain bullets as that was the fodder it was built around. It might not like boattails either. Swede Mausers had very long throats with the issued military barrels and if there is some irregularity in the throat, it may not shoot that well with boat tails. That is where the old seating out to nearly the landings came about. It was to minimize the effects of worn and long throats in military rifles that were sporterized.

On old military rifles, for the most part, I have better accuracy with flat based bullets than boat tails unless I have a New Old Stock (NOS) barrel on it. The flat based bullets tend to slug up while the boattails can often let gas leak by in worn barrels.

Posted by: whig at March 21, 2021 09:57 PM (pO7gM)

462
I've been assaulted by a 1911 spring. I pressed charges.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 21, 2021 09:56 PM (LNVrA
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When I retire and we move from this house, the new owners are going to wonder what all the springs are about.

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 09:58 PM (MVjcR)

463 I had the recoil spring plug go BOING! and land behind the dryer. Luckily a magnet and some paracord prevented me from having to move said appliance.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, shotguns solve problems at March 21, 2021 09:52 PM

Nice! You haven't lived until your crawling on the deck looking for gun parts. I lost a firing pin once under the baseboards.

A Star pistol firing pin.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 21, 2021 09:58 PM (R/m4+)

464 Taking apart my new SAR9 my first thought was "so much easier than my damn 911" I'm with MAE, definitely post 1975 as far as guns go. I'm like Steve Martin "bring me some fresh wine".

Posted by: ck at March 21, 2021 09:58 PM (iBg56)

465 When I retire and we move from this house, the new owners are going to wonder what all the springs are about.
Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 09:58 PM (MVjcR

Man, that guy really liked springs. Lol

Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 21, 2021 09:58 PM (LNVrA)

466 Posted by: Jim at March 21, 2021 09:57 PM (QzJWU)
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Geez - thank you, Jim! That's quite a compliment.

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 09:59 PM (MVjcR)

467 Jah, once you know what to do, it's doable. I
don't use it much, so I had to dig out the manual (go ahead and laugh). I
had the recoil spring plug go BOING! and land behind the dryer. Luckily
a magnet and some paracord prevented me from having to move said
appliance.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, shotguns solve problems at March 21, 2021 09:52 PM (uxJPn)

I had problems but that video really helped me. Long time since I was issued one.

Posted by: Javems at March 21, 2021 10:00 PM (8SSHh)

468 453 MAE, I was referrring to the First, Second, and Third generation of S&W's with metal frames which were the original Wonder Nines. They have a fussy spot that is not intuitive where the slide release has to be placed in order to punch it out.

Posted by: whig at March 21, 2021 10:00 PM (pO7gM)

469
Man, that guy really liked springs. Lol

We all should

Posted by: Coily the spring sprite at March 21, 2021 10:01 PM (63Dwl)

470 The ease in field stripping a Glock is one of its best features.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 21, 2021 10:01 PM (2DOZq)

471
Man, that guy really liked springs. Lol
Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 21, 2021 09:58 PM (LNVrA)
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Ha! Yep!

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 10:01 PM (MVjcR)

472 I'll second Jim's comment, Weasel. You create great, fun, engaging content.

Posted by: callsign claymore at March 21, 2021 10:01 PM (QJzgD)

473 ONT is up. Goodnight! Enjoy the rest of your evening and have a great week. See you next Sunday!

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 10:03 PM (MVjcR)

474 470 Sebastian,
I agree along with the ease of owner servicing and parts prices.

I like firing them okay but other firearms fit my hand better except for the Model 30.

Posted by: whig at March 21, 2021 10:03 PM (pO7gM)

475 Man, that guy really liked springs. Lol

We all should
Posted by: Coily the spring sprite at March 21, 2021 10:01 PM (63Dwl)

Dammit! I was just getting set up to make a Coily comment.

stupid springs in my keyboard!

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Skwerls Snowboarding on my Roof at March 21, 2021 10:03 PM (x8Wzq)

476 Posted by: callsign claymore at March 21, 2021 10:01 PM (QJzgD)
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Thank you, but it really is all of you that make this so much fun!

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 10:04 PM (MVjcR)

477 How perishable are shooting skills, really? I've heard plenty of people say that shooting skills are perishable but I've always wondered if that's true and by how much. Have there been any studies?

I've gone a year without pulling a trigger and done just fine on the range with handgun and long rifles. As long as they are sighted, I'm still hitting 10 ring.

Maybe with long distance shooting if you're doing ballistic calcs on the fly and such?

Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of practice and practice some more. I don't advocate getting rusty on anything but I was just curious if there are actual studies to backup the claim.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 21, 2021 10:04 PM (LNVrA)

478 ONT is up. Goodnight! Enjoy the rest of your evening and have a great week. See you next Sunday!
Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 10:03 PM (MVjcR)

G'night, Weasel. Can't wait to meet you in TX this fall.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Skwerls Snowboarding on my Roof at March 21, 2021 10:05 PM (x8Wzq)

479 Posted by: whig at March 21, 2021 10:03 PM (pO7gM)

That's the biggest complaint. Ergonomics .

Fine for me but I understand others who don't like the fit. That's how it is for me and Sigs.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 21, 2021 10:06 PM (2DOZq)

480 That is where the old seating out to nearly the landings came about. It was to minimize the effects of worn and long throats in military rifles that were sporterized.
Whig

It was sporterized years ago, but really likes the Prxi boat tails

Posted by: Jean at March 21, 2021 10:08 PM (Xih1H)

481 TxMoMeet, I'll happily demonstrate how to easily re-assemble a 1911 with a zero chance of losing control of the recoil spring. No plastic bag necessary, either.

Yes, it defies The Manual. But it works.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at March 21, 2021 10:08 PM (QzJWU)

482 > Im sure it's not in the archives I set up, but would be in the blog archives. Start in Dec and work forward. Or just email.

Is this the one? http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=392191

Turns out I had seen that one, and even commented there. Looks like there's some interest among the Horde, but no hands-on data other than No Nic Given's initial report? Hmm.... maybe I will have to be the next penguin off the iceberg. If I do it, I'll write up a report.

The guy to folllow on Twatter for this stuff is "Ivan al-NoHandi", https://twitter.com/Ivan_Is_Back (the nic is a joke, because he likes to respond to people claiming you'd "blow your hand off" with a 3D printed gun with videos of him doing mag dumps, while notably not blowing off his hands).

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at March 21, 2021 10:09 PM (JZT2F)

483 MAE, I was referrring to the First, Second, and Third generation of S&W's with metal frames which were the original Wonder Nines. They have a fussy spot that is not intuitive where the slide release has to be placed in order to punch it out.
Posted by: whig at March 21, 2021 10:00 PM (pO7gM)

Ah, I missed that generation. My first pistol was a Taurus PT-92, based on the Beretta 92 tooling. Not a bad gun at all, expect for the lack of decocker. Put many, many thousand rounds through it.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, shotguns solve problems at March 21, 2021 10:10 PM (uxJPn)

484
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Skwerls Snowboarding on my Roof at March 21, 2021 10:05 PM (x8Wzq)
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Likewise!

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 10:11 PM (MVjcR)

485 477 How perishable are shooting skills, really? I've heard plenty of people say that shooting skills are perishable but I've always wondered if that's true and by how much. Have there been any studies?

I've gone a year without pulling a trigger and done just fine on the range with handgun and long rifles. As long as they are sighted, I'm still hitting 10 ring.

Maybe with long distance shooting if you're doing ballistic calcs on the fly and such?

Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of practice and practice some more. I don't advocate getting rusty on anything but I was just curious if there are actual studies to backup the claim.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 21, 2021 10:04 PM (LNVrA)
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Precision long range shooting, certainly. I'm not aware of anything scientific, but know that it takes me some time warming up if I haven't been shooting in a while. I'm still hitting the target, just not at the top of my game. It's a lot like taking multiple guns to the range - it takes some time to reacquaint myself with the trigger and so forth.

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 10:14 PM (MVjcR)

486 Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at March 21, 2021 10:09 PM (JZT2F)
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Yep. That's the one.

Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 10:17 PM (MVjcR)

487 Precision long range shooting, certainly. I'm not aware of anything scientific, but know that it takes me some time warming up if I haven't been shooting in a while. I'm still hitting the target, just not at the top of my game. It's a lot like taking multiple guns to the range - it takes some time to reacquaint myself with the trigger and so forth.
Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2021 10:14 PM (MVjcR

Fair. I think maybe rusty is a better term than perishable.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 21, 2021 10:19 PM (LNVrA)

488 Mark, did you see my travails of the past two nights?

Tl;dr I'm potentially in line for a 3some but it would.probably jeopardize the current relationship dynamic.
Posted by: Broseidon at March 21, 2021 09:56 PM (GMreS)

I missed that, but I'll go check for it. Email me if you want to chat.

For threesomes, based on my experience...use a pro for the 3rd and be ready for the relationship to blow up. Plan your exit beforehand.

But...man, when it's good...it's GREAT.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, shotguns solve problems at March 21, 2021 10:20 PM (uxJPn)

489 480 Jean, does it have the original military barrel or an aftermarket?

If original, Mauser barrels could be set back and requalified which would shorten the throat. Quite a few were also rebarrelled as good aftermarket barrels were around for Mausers for quite a few years. Not so much recently.

Posted by: whig at March 21, 2021 10:20 PM (pO7gM)

490 MAE, the S&W Third Generations were the culmination of the DA/SA reliable police pistols for S&W but by that time Glock was eating their lunch on police contracts.

Glocks are an example where sometimes it was better to clean sheet a design rather than Smith's slow and steady adaptation of the Walther P38 design from WWII to the 1990's.

Glock's striker system has more in common with Lee Enfield battle rifles than the hammer and firing pin used in most of the DA/SA pistols of the era.

Posted by: whig at March 21, 2021 10:24 PM (pO7gM)

491 437 GWB, Inexpensive black powder guns:

If a revolver, look for a Pietta 1851 or 1860, preferably with a steel, not brass, frame.

If a rifle, your best bet is a Traditions percussion rifle in 50 caliber. As noted here, percussion caps are darned hard to find right now.

Posted by: JTB at March 21, 2021 10:27 PM (7EjX1)

492 426,

Pug,

Prayers up for you and your family. These will be difficult days.

Posted by: JTB at March 21, 2021 10:31 PM (7EjX1)

493 Posted by: Broseidon at March 21, 2021 09:56 PM (GMreS)

I'm up to date on what was posted yesterday, I think.

I won't pile on any more advice unless ya want it. If you want to vent, feel free to ping me.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, shotguns solve problems at March 21, 2021 10:50 PM (uxJPn)

494 168 Posted by: Cosda at March 21, 2021 08:03 PM (71N/p)
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Vintage Gun Scopes (.com) is a great place for, well, vintage scope sales and repairs. Recommended.
Posted by: Weasel
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Thanks, Weasel, but that was back in 1972 and Weaver fixed that scope on warranty. It spent the next 20+ years on that rifle until I replaced it with a Leupold. This past deer season it can out of retirement because my old knees caused me to fall and damage the scope on the Interarms Mark X I was using so I threw the old Weaver on and sighted it in and shortly thereafter was packing out a buck. Maybe I'll check out Vintage and get the old scope tuned up. Thanks again.

Posted by: Cosda at March 22, 2021 12:00 AM (71N/p)

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