John Hayward On Conservative Principles – Play Fair And Lose, Or Bend Your Principles To Defend Liberty <BR>[Buck Throckmorton]

John Hayward On Conservative Principles – Play Fair And Lose, Or Bend Your Principles To Defend Liberty
[Buck Throckmorton]

John Hayward (aka “Doc Zero” tweeted out an excellent essay a few days ago, pointing out that with free speech and liberty almost extinguished, conservatives will have to fight for our rights in a manner that is in conflict with our “peacetime principles.” With the left using Alinskyite tactics to make us submit to repression - because not doing so would violate our principles -- Hayward articulates that the survival of liberty requires that we “accept the sad necessity of bending those principles until the day they are no longer fatal weaknesses.”

A very important principle of mine is that my principles will never require me to sacrifice my liberty.

Is it possible to fight against totalitarian statists without ever compromising conservative "principles?" Is it better to play "fair," and constantly lose? Can you grapple with monsters without becoming a monster? That's the question at the heart of the schism on the Right.
Many works of passive, academic conservatism make for stimulating reading, and they'd be great stuff to bring along if you were leading a band of refugees onto an island to build a new society from scratch. But they have little relevance to the desperate battle we're actually in.
We're up against a totalitarian ideology that has already corrupted every single institution of American society. We're not beginning a high-minded constitutional debate with the Left - we're fighting a desperate last-ditch battle to preserve what little remains of FREE SPEECH.
How do you fight back against cancel culture? Do you refuse to participate, living by your principles and giving high-minded free passes to left-wingers who commit speech crimes? Or do you insist THEY get canceled and ruined too, forcing them to play by their own rules?

During the Tea Party years, its activists were sometimes attacked as hypocrites if they used any benefits of the Leviathan State they claimed to oppose. Collect a single dollar of government benefits, and you supposedly lost the moral stature to rail against deficit spending.
From these examples and many others, conservatives must learn that we are not criticizing the system from the outside - we are within it, and must fight on the very hostile economic and political battlefield that has been created for us.
We are not at the beginning of a great drama about the relationship between people and the State - we're well past curtain call on the third act, and things are looking very grim for those who value liberty and tradition. The Right played no role in writing the script.
We are not having a spirited discussion with the Left about how to steer the ship of the State. The ship's crew is entirely against us, most of the compartments are locked, and you'll be thrown overboard if you say anything about the rapidly approaching iceberg.
We have already watched totalitarianism consume a thoroughly demoralized and destabilized American society. Now we are watching totalitarianism slide inexorably into authoritarianism, and you know what comes after that. We cannot stop that process by politely objecting to it.
It's not easy to fight a battle on those terms without losing sight of peacetime principles. For generations now, the American people have been bludgeoned into submission by Alinsky tactics that turn their lofty principles and beloved traditions against them.
The barbarians camped outside the gates sneered and said, "If you were so civilized, you wouldn't need walls and gates to keep us out." And so the gates were opened and the walls torn down... to be replaced by higher, uglier prison walls built by the victorious invaders.
We're at the point where people on the Right must think hard about both grand strategy and short-term tactics. We must change the momentum of history before it sweeps this country - and all of the civilized world - into a darkness it cannot escape without fire and bloodshed.
There is no place left for the Gentleman Losers, the directors of Failure Theater, the grifters, the arrogant "remnant" smugly convinced they can emerge from their bunkers one day to thunderous applause for having been right all along.
But there is also no room for fighting blindly, for angrily lashing out to no good purpose, for energy wasted on pointless fights, for vulgar displays that alienate the public and make our situation even worse. The Angry Loser is no more effective than the Gentleman Loser.
We're not in anything close to a fair ideological fight, and we haven't been for 30 years or more. It is beyond pointless to keep waiting for nonexistent referees to throw flags on the Left's ugly plays. Dig in, push back, and gain some yards.
But we have to move in the right direction. We have to run plays that score points. We DO have plenty of opportunities - the American people know something is hideously wrong with the world the Left has made. Even the pandemic has not completely subdued them.
How do you speak to a people desperate for brave leadership, when half the words you would use to reach them have been forbidden? How do you sell liberty to people terrorized into hating each other and believing they can't get through a single day without help from the State?
It certainly is difficult. It's hard to fight an utterly unprincipled adversary without compromising a few of your own. If your end goal is liberty, it's not easy to plan ruthlessly effective strategies for gaining and using power. The State doesn't want YOU to control it.
Various elements of the Right have a lot of off-ramps for opting out of that difficult struggle - from GOP Establishment types making profitable accommodations with the Left, to preppers and revolution fantasists who assume all is lost and plan for the day after utter collapse.
If you're still in the game, if you really still believe it can be won, you must be prepared to get dirty, get roughed up, pick battles worth fighting, and accept the sad necessity of bending those principles until the day they are no longer fatal weaknesses.
But also you must not become lost in corruption. You must not become what you fight against. Never believe the instruments of utter darkness can be used for good ends in righteous hands - that's the delusion that swallowed the Left whole. It's not easy, but it's necessary. /end

(buck.throckmorton at protonmail.com)

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1 FIRST

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, paying for my sins on the Scorsese streets at February 19, 2021 01:57 PM (LvTSG)

2 all.is fair in love and WAR

Posted by: vmom WWRS What Would Rush Say at February 19, 2021 01:58 PM (nUhF0)

3 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at February 19, 2021 01:59 PM (Zz0t1)

4 No offense, but I really don't want to hear about "conservative principles."

We're at war. The time for intellectual debates is over.

Posted by: Bobama at February 19, 2021 01:59 PM (oQ94s)

5 WAR!

What I have been saying for years.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 19, 2021 01:59 PM (tsZQ+)

6 Cancel their asses and make them subject to their own rules.

Posted by: CN at February 19, 2021 01:59 PM (ONvIw)

7 Hmmm....

Posted by: President In Exile Donald J. Trump at February 19, 2021 01:59 PM (aSGq2)

8 Which one is roll over and be the small spoon in the relationship cause that's what gope is

Posted by: Nckate at February 19, 2021 02:00 PM (+6Fup)

9 4 Besides "our side" lies to us constantly and has no principles.

Posted by: CN at February 19, 2021 02:00 PM (ONvIw)

10 We are so far beyond, "principles," that to even discuss living by them is to accept defeat before even engaging.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at February 19, 2021 02:00 PM (Rji+c)

11 Okay, a lot of thoughts incoming. Stand by...

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at February 19, 2021 02:00 PM (+1A9H)

12 Tom Nichols: gay for pay or does he suck cock just because he likes the flavor?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Logan Tiberius Edwards (2012-2021) at February 19, 2021 02:00 PM (ifmtJ)

13 And if people want to talk conservative principles, how about people stop getting all worked up when somebody says something they don't like.

Who gives a F what anybody says. I care what they do.

Did Trump not teach the so-called conservative right anything?

Words are not important. Not now, anyway.

Posted by: Bobama at February 19, 2021 02:01 PM (oQ94s)

14 We need a war-time consiglieri.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 19, 2021 02:02 PM (yQpMk)

15 12 Tom Nichols: gay for pay or does he suck cock just because he likes the flavor?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Logan Tiberius Edwards (2012-2021)

it's the "in" thing to do

Posted by: Rick in SK at February 19, 2021 02:02 PM (FZYNt)

16 Another problem: Half of "our side" agrees with the other side.

The enemy within

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 19, 2021 02:02 PM (tsZQ+)

17 Okay, a lot of thoughts incoming. Stand by...

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at February 19, 2021 02:00 PM (+1A9H)

It's going to take me a bit to get into my haz-mat suit for your "thoughts."

Posted by: pookysgirl, forever a Rush Baby at February 19, 2021 02:02 PM (XKZwp)

18 We need a war-time consiglieri.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 19, 2021 02:02 PM (yQpMk)

Yup

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 19, 2021 02:02 PM (tsZQ+)

19 9 4 Besides "our side" lies to us constantly and has no principles.
Posted by: CN at February 19, 2021 02:00 PM (ONvIw)

Here's another "principle." If you're getting even part of your paycheck from a corporate media entity, you can't be trusted.

Period.

Posted by: Bobama at February 19, 2021 02:03 PM (oQ94s)

20 this Cuomo press conference, what a shit show

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at February 19, 2021 02:03 PM (dKiJG)

21 If your principles lead to your destruction and oppression, then they are wrong.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at February 19, 2021 02:03 PM (jOcSX)

22 I don't know if I can agree with this, but I do think that the left is adept at using our desire for peace, justice, stability, and truth against us until we have none of it. At some point under attack you have to fight for what you believe in, or you don't really believe in it.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 19, 2021 02:03 PM (KZzsI)

23 The cucks of con, Inc and the gope will always be waiting for godot.

Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at February 19, 2021 02:04 PM (Vxu+H)

24 Posted by: Bobama at February 19, 2021 02:03 PM (oQ94s)

Oh, Christmas on a cracker. Stupid Bobama sock.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 19, 2021 02:04 PM (oQ94s)

25 I said before that last repost was the last repost, but this is kind of on Topic - Mack Jefferson - Invisible Resistance to Tyranny

https://tinyurl.com/y59xpqet

Almost 20 years later, it offers a prophetic look at today, describing a tyranny of democratic mob, and offering a recipe for resistance.

I am about half way through, and it is kind of a paradigm-altering short read.

Posted by: 4 at February 19, 2021 02:04 PM (KnJdm)

26 They've been at war with us for a long time. The problem is, we haven't been at war with them, and nobody wants to actually start the preference cascade of 'punching back twice as hard'.

I'm not sure where this candle gets lit.

Posted by: Grapefruit LaCroix at February 19, 2021 02:04 PM (JVQFp)

27 This is why I advocate cheating in elections, because they are no longer elections, its all Calvinball.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 19, 2021 02:04 PM (r+sAi)

28 The premise is all wrong.

Posted by: runner at February 19, 2021 02:04 PM (W8e/N)

29
1 FIRST
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, paying for my sins on the Scorsese streets at February 19, 2021 01:57 PM (LvTSG)

You simply MUST get more enthusiastic about these things in the future.

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at February 19, 2021 02:04 PM (Zz0t1)

30 Shibumi, if you're still here, thanks very much for the second vaccine reactions video you posted earlier. I've sent the links for both to my roommates - if a picture is worth a thousand words, how much is a video worth? - and am waiting for their responses.

Okay, back to lurking. Have a blessed day, everybody!

Posted by: Gaelic Girl's Irish Democracy at February 19, 2021 02:04 PM (5FCda)

31 The White House said on Friday that the US has accepted Europes offer to mediate conversations with Iran regarding the 2015 nuclear deal.

Oh yeah great idea.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 19, 2021 02:04 PM (tsZQ+)

32 If conservatives don't develop a 'take no prisoners' mentality very soon, we're cooked and the world is dead because there is no more freedom.

Period.

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at February 19, 2021 02:05 PM (Zz0t1)

33 22 I don't know if I can agree with this, but I do think that the left is adept at using our desire for peace, justice, stability, and truth against us until we have none of it. At some point under attack you have to fight for what you believe in, or you don't really believe in it.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 19, 2021 02:03 PM (KZzsI)

There is no hill to die on (except screwing Trump out an election so we can grift in peace)

Posted by: Mitch the CoC bitch at February 19, 2021 02:05 PM (ONvIw)

34 We learned some difficult truths over the past five years. The Deep State Swamp indeed got drained and now we're all seeing the various disgusting animals that live in its depraved depths. Thank you, President Trump. You did us and the world a service that cannot be repaid.

If we learn nothing else, it should be this: If we don't impose our will upon the communists and other psychos that are currently on offense against us, they will impose their will upon us.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Psychos Rule! No, really. They're in charge now. at February 19, 2021 02:06 PM (HaL55)

35 Yeah, I don't know. Something seems wrong here.

Posted by: grammie winger at February 19, 2021 02:06 PM (45fpk)

36 Sponge -- not sure if you saw this at the tail end of the last thread (re: Foo Fighters)...

If you don't like the first 2 songs on Wasted Light ("Bridge Burning" and "Rope"), then we have very different musical tastes. Respectfully. To each his/her own.

Posted by: Doof at February 19, 2021 02:06 PM (mZUr4)

37 This is why I advocate cheating in elections, because they are no longer elections, its all Calvinball.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 19, 2021 02:04 PM (r+sAi)

Democracy is a sham.

Republics are kinda sorta ok, if there's anything resembling a genuine direct connection between the voters and the voted.

We don't have one of those, obviously.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 19, 2021 02:06 PM (oQ94s)

38 Oh yeah great idea.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 19, 2021 02:04 PM (tsZQ+)

Well, when the shit his the fan, I'll tell my lib sister "you voted for it, bolshevik"

Posted by: Mitch the CoC bitch at February 19, 2021 02:07 PM (ONvIw)

39 It's a bar fight

Posted by: dagny, first of her name at February 19, 2021 02:07 PM (ySQBZ)

40 This is an area that is deeply interesting to me, though, because it gets to the core of ethics and duty, to why we do what we do and what its limits are.

At what point is it acceptable to revolt against authorities? As a Christian, we believe that God has placed all authorities over us -- even the bad ones -- and told us that we must submit to them. But is there ever a place to turn on that authority because it is too evil?

We're clearly taught in scripture to refuse to follow a sinful command, whatever the cost. Christians don't actually obey human laws, we obey God's laws, and as long as the human laws coincide, we're fine with it. If the law is a neutral area, we go along with it, because we're told to submit to earthly authority.

But if the laws are contrary to God's commands, then they are not just to be defied, but nullified; they are not binding or lawful. ONLY God's law is supreme and binding.

So that is, in a sense, a rebellion against authorities, by refusing to obey. But can we take that further and remove them from power? Is it worth killing over, such as the founding fathers engaged in?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 19, 2021 02:07 PM (KZzsI)

41

The point of American "conservative" thought, qua philosophy, as brought about in the 1950s and beyond was to oppose the fundamental nominalist heresy and defend the founding from the the rising post-modernist Frankfurt school. One of the main focuses of the philosophy was to further differentiate our Founding from the French Revolution. The way in which this was accomplished in large part was to reject "ends justify the means" theories.

We can argue about what is politically expedient, but recognize, as the Founders did, that freedom can only be maintained by an educated, moral, and homogeneous electorate, even if such electorate has to therefore be limited by certain standards (set amount of property, etc.). So as internally inconsistent as it may be, freedom can only be guaranteed where most people do not have the right to vote, but the functional voting aristocracy remains tied to an accountable morality.

Posted by: imp at February 19, 2021 02:07 PM (SFOr6)

42 Can anybody name a single so-called conservative principle that is shared among Con Inc, the Nevertrumpers and people like us?

Posted by: Broseidon at February 19, 2021 02:07 PM (icI8A)

43 Delaware computer shop owner suing Twitter for defamation by implying he was a hacker re: Hunter laptop.

Moar, please.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at February 19, 2021 02:08 PM (/Dvfe)

44 Hey who's the ugly chick downstairs?

Posted by: f'd at February 19, 2021 02:08 PM (+AASJ)

45 I've never swallowed the false dichotomy between principles and fighting.

I think you can navigate. But you have to be ruthless in assessing truth and ranking values.

I've seen enough from humanity to know that God is my kernel value.

The need for God to be unit of belief is exactly the slash that cuts the Gordian Knot of Euthyphro's Dilemma.

You see Socrates believed in One God and only One God, and he found it reasonable. Euthyphro's Dilemma is his illustration mainly about multiple gods who disagree with each other and yet "piety" advanced by Euthyphro treated them as if they were uniform.

It still applies to a singular God, but only in a more muted sense. If the All-Seer is the singular perceiver of morality, there is no dilemma. Yes, he could be making it all up, but you trust that the Perfect Observer, if anyone, can see a harmonious resolution to the more diffuse claims about morality.

Posted by: Axeman at February 19, 2021 02:08 PM (FYe3W)

46
If you don't like the first 2 songs on Wasted Light ("Bridge Burning" and "Rope"), then we have very different musical tastes. Respectfully. To each his/her own.
Posted by: Doof at February 19, 2021 02:06 PM (mZUr4)

I will look them up because I wrote them off a long time ago. What's been getting airtime has pushed me in a direction to not worry about anything they've done.

But, being as musically opened minded as I can be, I will look into this.

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at February 19, 2021 02:08 PM (Zz0t1)

47 If your principles lead to your destruction and oppression, then they are wrong.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at February 19, 2021 02:03 PM (jOcSX)

I have a problem with that. I'm specifically thinking of St. Paul.

Posted by: grammie winger at February 19, 2021 02:08 PM (45fpk)

48 Thief-in-Chief just landed in Kalamazoo.
Apparently touring the Pfizer plant nearby.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at February 19, 2021 02:08 PM (ufFY8)

49 Non-nooding bastards.

Posted by: Muad'dib at February 19, 2021 02:08 PM (sjdRT)

50 27 This is why I advocate cheating in elections, because they are no longer elections, its all Calvinball.
______________

Yep. Playing by the rules is for suckers now. Those are the left's rules, and they've imposed them on us by force and cheating. So since we now have to play by their rules, the first rule is cheat, cheat, cheat at every opportunity. Then cheat some more.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at February 19, 2021 02:09 PM (k4dH2)

51 "A very important principle of mine is that my principles will never require me to sacrifice my liberty."

good concept ... our problem is we have laws but the corrupt ones are above the law. They approved of real terror by Antifa and BLM, made the real terrorists heroes, and real patriots are now made villains, just for noticing a stolen election. --
So we have a junta, an occupying force ... and they demand we praise it as good and holy, fair and just. ... Resistance and/or covert/overt war is the only proper response to such demented tyranny.

Posted by: illiniwek at February 19, 2021 02:09 PM (Cus5s)

52 Liberty is not a suicide pact.

Posted by: ShainS at February 19, 2021 02:09 PM (oKbyN)

53 Breitbart was right.

FUCK YOU, war.

Posted by: charlotte the sailor Acronym helper to Ace at February 19, 2021 02:09 PM (/rsCS)

54 Yep. Thank you for stating this. Too many on our side want to be "Good Losers". Oh, I was screwed over, but I'm not bitter. Oh, we didn't stoop to their level. well, good for you. Here's a gold star and a cookie.

Nixon was a good loser. And he lost - big time. And the liberal/left never gave him one ounce of credit for being a "Good Loser".

Posted by: rcocean at February 19, 2021 02:09 PM (evE25)

55 Make them live up to their own rules, so sayeth Alinsky.

Posted by: navybrat, semper paratus at February 19, 2021 02:09 PM (w7KSn)

56 As a Christian, we believe that God has placed all authorities over us -- even the bad ones -- and told us that we must submit to them.

We do? I don't.

But I confess Christianity has no relevance to me in solving our current problems.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at February 19, 2021 02:09 PM (H5knJ)

57 42 Can anybody name a single so-called conservative principle that is shared among Con Inc, the Nevertrumpers and people like us?
Posted by: Broseidon at February 19, 2021 02:07 PM (icI8A)

PAY ME

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at February 19, 2021 02:09 PM (dKiJG)

58 We learned some difficult truths over the past five
years. The Deep State Swamp indeed got drained and now we're all seeing
the various disgusting animals that live in its depraved depths. Thank
you, President Trump. You did us and the world a service that cannot be
repaid.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Psychos Rule! No, really. They're in charge now. at February 19, 2021 02:06 PM (HaL55)

Interesting. I took "drain the swamp" to mean fire/prosecute the traitors and commies. In reality, when you drain something like a pond or swamp, you end up finding a lot of unseemly things at the bottom, akin to pulling masks off. I wonder, when Trump used this term, if he realized that the most he could do was force people to rip their masks off, akin to the literal swamp-draining.

Posted by: 4 at February 19, 2021 02:10 PM (KnJdm)

59 Oh and on topic, Doc Zero is correct

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Logan Tiberius Edwards (2012-2021) at February 19, 2021 02:10 PM (ifmtJ)

60 42 Can anybody name a single so-called conservative principle that is shared among Con Inc, the Nevertrumpers and people like us?
Posted by: Broseidon at February 19, 2021 02:07 PM (icI8A)

No, actually.

The GOPe believes in open borders, cheap labor, did nothing about abortion, legislated nothing to preserve de-regulation (we have to promise you shit and fail, and promise some more, but only if you pony up the $$$, losers)

Posted by: Mitch the CoC bitch at February 19, 2021 02:10 PM (ONvIw)

61 The Bible teaches that war is, at least sometimes, permissible and necessary, if regretful. We should be reluctant and unwilling to go to war, but if we must, we should do so with vigor and determination, to get it over with as completely and swiftly as possible.

The Bible never teaches that it is wrong to end another human life only that it must be done so strictly in response to an act of evil on that person's part, such as self defense, defending another's life, or punishment for heinous crime.

But Christians like all the west have been so totally conditioned by a humanist society that we think any taking of any human life at any time (excet before birth) is always the greatest possible evil.

But the only way that can be true is if you believe that this life is all we ever have. If you believe in eternity and God as sovereign, then it can be worse to not kill someone.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 19, 2021 02:10 PM (KZzsI)

62 39 It's a bar fight
Posted by: dagny, first of her name at February 19, 2021 02:07 PM (ySQBZ)

---------------------

I was thinking more along the lines of the end of Blazing Saddles. "I work for Mel Brooks you son-of-a-bitch!"

Posted by: The Gimp at February 19, 2021 02:10 PM (jvt6t)

63 "...we're fighting a desperate last-ditch battle to preserve what little remains of FREE SPEECH."
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Small quibble: the battle is not just for free speech but also for life and liberty.

Christopher R Taylor @40... Well said, as usual.

Posted by: screaming in digital at February 19, 2021 02:10 PM (6ufqr)

64 Ace, from the sidebar: Just got an email from Jesus: "David French and Tom Nichols do not speak for me. Also, where did the money for Rick Wilson's 'film" go?"

Haven't laughed this hard in days!

Posted by: Paco at February 19, 2021 02:10 PM (1Jm+u)

65 if so-called 'conservatives' would fight for the principles actually written down and enshrined in the freaking Constitution, we wouldn't be at this point.

Posted by: Retard Strength Trumps Smart Power at February 19, 2021 02:10 PM (uS2EJ)

66 Get to know your own, personal, internal Monster. He's in there, whether you know it or not, whether you like it or not. Don't let him take control, but do be conversant with his nature, and form the necessary alliance for when the times come when only Monsters shall prevail.

The Continental Army did not in the end win, through reasoned discourse and strongly worded letters. They crossed the Delaware on Christmas Eve at midnight, in order to murder the Hessians in their sleep. And they DID.

Monsterous. An epic deed indispensable toward our winning our freedom from the Crown and establishing the United States.

Now, substitute "media" or such subgroup of your choice for "Hessians", and do the math.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at February 19, 2021 02:10 PM (QzJWU)

67 Totalitarian oligarchy is not the hill to die on!

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at February 19, 2021 02:11 PM (dNzKv)

68 off leather clad sock

Posted by: Jak Sucio at February 19, 2021 02:11 PM (jvt6t)

69 this Cuomo press conference, what a shit show

Why is he having another one? Did he come up with some new bullshit since the last one a few days ago? Or is he just recycling the same bullshit but adding "C'mon you stupid rubes" after every couple of lies?

Posted by: Oddbob at February 19, 2021 02:11 PM (qc+VF)

70 Yeah, I don't know. Something seems wrong here.
Posted by: grammie winger at February 19, 2021 02:06 PM (45fpk)

Plenty, too long to explain., but mainly -Conservative principles make you stronger; cheating vs tackling the laws that allow cheating. Dems cheat , conserves apply brains and win. Rush, MHRIP, always pronounced for the battle of ideas. If you cannot fortify your ideas, and resort to what the left does, will lose in the end.

Posted by: runner at February 19, 2021 02:11 PM (W8e/N)

71 49 Non-nooding bastards.
Posted by: Muad'dib at February 19, 2021 02:08 PM (sjdRT)

There was noodity

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Logan Tiberius Edwards (2012-2021) at February 19, 2021 02:11 PM (ifmtJ)

72 In Catholic moral theology, there is a concept about things you may never do, regardless of the circumstances. These actions "intrinsically evil," and basically this means that this is something that you may never do, no matter how much evil you think you're avoiding, no matter how much good you think will come of it. This idea isn't unique to Catholicism, of course; the concept of deontology shows up in other moral systems, both religious and secular. I'm using Catholicism as my reference point because it's what I know best. Basically any system that believes - in some form or another - that the ends do not justify the means, is harmonious with the Catholic understanding, and will do the trick for the purposes of this discussion.

So when it comes down to MUH PRINCIPLES, there are certain principles that I will not sacrifice, no matter what I might win by doing so. There are some things that are just intrinsically evil. For example, I don't believe in terrorizing the minor children of my political opponents. Not ever. For the same reason, I wouldn't intentionally kill the minor children of terrorists. PART II coming up...

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at February 19, 2021 02:11 PM (+1A9H)

73 My principles say that the marketplace is itself a fair arbiter. Reality says if we don't regulate the fuck out of Big Tech we're beyond screwed.

Posted by: Broseidon at February 19, 2021 02:11 PM (icI8A)

74 Also, as shown by David French, Mitch McConnell, Romney, McCain and Bush some of these "Good losers" weren't that at all. They were traitors who secretly wanted the other side to win. Sometimes a "good loser" is just a loser. And sometimes they're traitors.

Posted by: rcocean at February 19, 2021 02:11 PM (evE25)

75 Can you grapple with monsters without becoming a monster?

Become a monster and vanquish the other monsters so your children won't have to fight them. Just be ready to accept the consequences.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com. Not scanning your email to sell you stuff like Google does. at February 19, 2021 02:12 PM (SchxB)

76 Can anybody name a single so-called conservative principle that is shared among Con Inc, the Nevertrumpers and people like us?

Posted by: Broseidon at February 19, 2021 02:07 PM (icI8A)

We all want political power. Some for money and access to boy-ass, some for power's sake and the money and status it brings, some so that they can limit the reach of government, that they may live life in peace and have freedom to pursue happiness.

Posted by: 4 at February 19, 2021 02:12 PM (KnJdm)

77 I always thought that when it finally comes to blows, the politicians should be the first to go.

I'm coming around to the idea that it's the media that needs to go first, then the politicians, and then the dolts in the education system that created two generations of woke scolds.

Posted by: Grapefruit LaCroix at February 19, 2021 02:12 PM (JVQFp)

78 Non-nooding bastards.
Posted by: Muad'dib at February 19, 2021 02:08 PM (sjdRT)

There was a nood......

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at February 19, 2021 02:12 PM (Zz0t1)

79 G Gordon Liddy addressed this issue years ago. He basically said we will never win by playing by the rules when the other side has no rules.

Posted by: C 137 at February 19, 2021 02:12 PM (2DOZq)

80 At what point is it acceptable to revolt against authorities? As a Christian, we believe that God has placed all authorities over us -- even the bad ones -- and told us that we must submit to them

Christopher Taylor
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Really? Can you point me to this, especially those last five words? I think I must be blissfully unaware.

Posted by: ... at February 19, 2021 02:12 PM (DnmCs)

81 But I confess Christianity has no relevance to me in solving our current problems.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at February 19, 2021 02:09 PM (H5knJ)

While I maintain that Christianity is the solution to our current problems. The Constitution was made to go hand in hand.

Posted by: grammie winger at February 19, 2021 02:12 PM (45fpk)

82 Christian Conservatives have to come to a point when we realize that our faith trumps even the US Constitution, and that we decide what is wrong or right -- what to do or not do -- based on God's word, not the very fine words of the founding fathers. As great as they may be, they are still only human.

What this means in practice is that we may do unconstitutional things in the service of the Lord, without any twinge of conscience. It also means that the bottom line of how we define justice, truth, right, and goodness by God's word, not the Constitution.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 19, 2021 02:13 PM (KZzsI)

83 Hume is the alternative to the Perfect Observer seeing harmonious moral order perfectly.

Hume never gave any reason why, if we didn't like his pretense of "ultimate" findings, we should just kill him and live on.

Hume's conclusions required at least one OUGHT, which is that we OUGHT to do as Reason requires. However, he reasoned that OUGHTs themselves were entirely illusory.

One who cannot grasp the essential moral endeavor of intellectual pursuit and the implicit "morality" (you shouldn't lie, and you shouldn't pass things off you didn't author as yours) would miss this. You have to be able to look at the vast and minute at the same time.

Posted by: Axeman at February 19, 2021 02:13 PM (FYe3W)

84 I will look them up because I wrote them off a long time ago. What's been getting airtime has pushed me in a direction to not worry about anything they've done.

But, being as musically opened minded as I can be, I will look into this.
Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at February 19, 2021 02:08 PM (Zz0t1)

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Understand completely. I've done that myself with many bands. Such as Coldplay. Absolutely LOVED their 1st 3 albums. Did not care for the next 2. Gave up on them for a while. Turns out I missed out on some decent stuff.

Look forward to your thoughts on the 2 songs I mentioned.

Posted by: Doof at February 19, 2021 02:13 PM (mZUr4)

85 Our Founding Fathers had principles. The Abolitionists had principles. The Texas Rangers had principles. The Greatest Generation had principles. But that didn't stop any of them from getting down and dirty to do what had to be done to safeguard those principles and enable said principles to be handed on to those living in safety and improved living thanks to said down and dirty action. This is war. We need to win it, or the Republic will only be a name on a nation that no longer has a connection to 1789, much less 1776. We can write the history later; later generations will judge our success or failure, not how closely we adhered to principles that the enemy doesn't even recognize as valid.

Posted by: exdem13 at February 19, 2021 02:13 PM (W+kMI)

86 80 At what point is it acceptable to revolt against authorities? As a Christian, we believe that God has placed all authorities over us -- even the bad ones -- and told us that we must submit to them
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Ask The Founders

Posted by: Jak Sucio at February 19, 2021 02:13 PM (jvt6t)

87 Can you point me to this, especially those last five words? I think I must be blissfully unaware.

Posted by: ... at February 19, 2021 02:12 PM (DnmCs)

It's a recurring theme in the Pauline Epistles.

Posted by: grammie winger at February 19, 2021 02:13 PM (45fpk)

88 "The GOPe believes in open borders, cheap labor, did nothing about abortion, legislated nothing to preserve de-regulation (we have to promise you shit and fail, and promise some more, but only if you pony up the $$$, losers)"

Without Trump, the Bush/McConnell/Romney wing stands for NOTHING. They are zeroes. They want to go over the cliff at 25 MPH, while Schumer/Pelosi want to go 50 MPH.

Posted by: rcocean at February 19, 2021 02:14 PM (evE25)

89 Posted by: Jim at February 19, 2021 02:10 PM (QzJWU)

Well said.

Posted by: 4 at February 19, 2021 02:14 PM (KnJdm)

90 The problem isn't playing fair, it's a debased definition of fair. When you're in the ring and your opponent pulls a knife, it isn't unfair for you to defend yourself with a firearm.

This notion that it is unfair to jettison the rules when the rules have already been jettisoned is the kind of decadence that only an elite living behind a security wall and hired guards can maintain--because for them, the rules haven't yet been broken. It's calvinball for the deplorables to follow, not themselves.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at February 19, 2021 02:14 PM (2lndx)

91 Can anybody name a single so-called conservative principle that is shared among Con Inc, the Nevertrumpers and people like us?

Posted by: Broseidon at February 19, 2021 02:07 PM (icI8A)

I would have said upholding the 2nd Amendment but I think some of the NeverTrumper cucks are Gun control advocates.

Posted by: C 137 at February 19, 2021 02:14 PM (2DOZq)

92 This whole idea that its NOT a Conservative Principle to fight??? is just plain wrong.

Its one that has been grafted onto Conservatives by the Neo Christian turn the other cheek sects, and the Feminization of Culture.

We ALLOWED the schools to indoctrinate two generations into the idea that you will get punished, for fighting back. That even defending yourself, you will still get suspended. Thus, we are TRAINED not to even fight back.

THAT, needs to change.

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 19, 2021 02:14 PM (oHd/0)

93 Can anybody name a single so-called conservative principle that is shared among Con Inc, the Nevertrumpers and people like us?
Posted by: Broseidon at Februa

Exactly.

Posted by: runner at February 19, 2021 02:15 PM (W8e/N)

94 If you cannot fortify your ideas, and resort to what the left does, will lose in the end.
Posted by: runner at February 19, 2021 02:11 PM (W8e/N)

They do NOT tackle the cheating problem, sorry. Pence headed up that election integrity commission and delivered up the most tainted and least honest election in my lifetime. He was either spectacularly stupid or spectacularly corrupt. Now the GOP is drafting some more election integrity failure theater to scam money. Fool me once, assholes...

Posted by: Mitch the CoC bitch at February 19, 2021 02:15 PM (ONvIw)

95 You could put it as fighting against fascism and communism of the leftists is the foundation of conservatism or "in the course of human events".

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 19, 2021 02:15 PM (r+sAi)

96 Really? Can you point me to this, especially those last five words? I think I must be blissfully unaware.

Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they are keeping watch over your souls, as those who will have to give an account.
--Hebrews 13:17

Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God.
--Romans 13:1

etc

But as I pointed out, that's subject to God's law: if they command you to disobey God, then their authority ends at that point.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 19, 2021 02:15 PM (KZzsI)

97 Posted by: Jim at February 19, 2021 02:10 PM (QzJWU)

Well said.
Posted by: 4 at February 19, 2021 02:14 PM (KnJdm)

Because Jim, as the kids say, is the SHIT.

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at February 19, 2021 02:16 PM (Zz0t1)

98 Apropos.....

"According to a CNN analysis of data from Johns Hopkins University, the US is seeing a 29% decline in new Covid-19 cases compared to this time last week, the steepest one-week decline the US has seen during the pandemic. "

Posted by: runner at February 19, 2021 02:16 PM (W8e/N)

99 So that is, in a sense, a rebellion against authorities, by refusing to
obey. But can we take that further and remove them from power? Is it
worth killing over, such as the founding fathers engaged in?Yes.Notice the root cause of the murders, riots and arson this past summer. It wasn't the law that caused that. It was the communists in charge of those areas that didn't follow the law. They told their own police forces to stand down. This should've been unacceptable to those who live there, yet it was allowed to persist.

TFG started that bullshit when he began enforcing only the laws that he liked. That's not how this is supposed to work. That's not how any of this is supposed to work.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Psychos Rule! No, really. They're in charge now. at February 19, 2021 02:16 PM (HaL55)

100 Posted by: rcocean at February 19, 2021 02:14 PM (evE25)

It was just FOUR years ago, that the GOP had the House, Senate, and Presidency.

and somehow lost ALL THREE in just 4 years.

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 19, 2021 02:16 PM (oHd/0)

101 That's like the argument, "If you use your opponents tactics, then you're no better than he is!"

Badger response: "There's a Huuuge difference, he uses his tactics to start sh!t. I use them to end it"

Big enough difference for me.

Posted by: I'm the Honey Badger, BITCH! at February 19, 2021 02:16 PM (EkO2d)

102 We're fighting on different playing fields. If this is Dungeons and Dragons, our side usually presents as Fighters. Our principles are our sword and shield and they're strong enough to breach the flimsy armor of leftism.

But the commies are Wizards - they try to win the fight by casting spells to ensure that there never is a fight. Win before you even show up.

Posted by: Broseidon at February 19, 2021 02:16 PM (icI8A)

103 "According to a CNN analysis of data from Johns Hopkins University, the US is seeing a 29% decline in new Covid-19 cases compared to this time last week, the steepest one-week decline the US has seen during the pandemic. "
Posted by: runner at February 19, 2021 02:16 PM (W8e/N)
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Brave Sir Robinette has saved us!

Posted by: screaming in digital at February 19, 2021 02:16 PM (6ufqr)

104 Schadenfreude is one principle I will not abandon.

Posted by: mr tmz at February 19, 2021 02:16 PM (m/Gc2)

105 Shibumi, if you're still here, thanks very much for the second vaccine reactions video you posted earlier. I've sent the links for both to my roommates - if a picture is worth a thousand words, how much is a video worth? - and am waiting for their responses.

Good luck Gaelic Girl.

Posted by: shibumi at February 19, 2021 02:16 PM (tjZg/)

106 My tree is dying....

Feed him...

Feeeeeed him...

Posted by: Thomas Jefferson at February 19, 2021 02:17 PM (BDQo0)

107 But that didn't stop any of them from getting down and dirty to do what had to be done to safeguard those principles and enable said principles to be handed on to those living in safety and improved living thanks to said down and dirty action.

One might even say that those principles are what drove them to get down and dirty.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 19, 2021 02:17 PM (KZzsI)

108 The Left has lost the Mandate of Heaven.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 19, 2021 02:17 PM (yQpMk)

109 "But I confess Christianity has no relevance to me in solving our current problems."

The USA was much more Christian when we fought the British in 1776, and Hiter/Japanese in 1942. Nobody in 1924 Christian America thought we should be socialists or cuck about Race. Or have open borders.

Posted by: rcocean at February 19, 2021 02:17 PM (evE25)

110 I'm coming around to the idea that it's the media that needs to go
first, then the politicians, and then the dolts in the education system
that created two generations of woke scolds.

Neither Pelosi, Schumer, or Biden come from Gen X, the Millennials, or Gen Z. They aren't the products of all this public school indoctrination that I constantly hear about.

Posted by: Nutbush City Limits at February 19, 2021 02:17 PM (ipFbG)

111 Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at February 19, 2021 02:14 PM (2lndx)

That is very true and was part of G Gordon Liddy's point.

Posted by: C 137 at February 19, 2021 02:17 PM (2DOZq)

112 One more time: the reason fighting back is so difficult is because the left has taken possession of the media.

Our first and only goal should be to either destroy the current media setup or take it back somehow.

Yet no conservatives step up to make that attempt.

It will take money and perseverance. but mostly MONEY. And no one wants to commit to that outlay.

Without destroying the gate keepers we will get no where with talking. They can edit, eliminate and twist anything said.

They are now a monolith of like minded thinking and trying to take them from the inside will not succeed.

Posted by: jakee308.com at February 19, 2021 02:18 PM (LyEz9)

113 I really don't mind it in the butt

Posted by: B Kristol, Cruise Director at February 19, 2021 02:18 PM (BDQo0)

114 Never believe the instruments of utter darkness can be used for good ends in righteous hands - that's the delusion the swallowed the Left whole. It's not easy, but it's necessary.

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There's also a saying, fight fire with fire.

Posted by: President Select Decaf at February 19, 2021 02:18 PM (hpVf/)

115 and somehow lost ALL THREE in just 4 years.
Posted by: Romeo13 at February 19, 2021 02:16 PM (oHd/0)

Not somehow.. it was obvious fraud.

Posted by: Inogame at February 19, 2021 02:18 PM (EILju)

116 if so-called 'conservatives' would fight for the principles actually written down and enshrined in the freaking Constitution, we wouldn't be at this point.
Posted by: Retard Strength Trumps Smart Power at February 19, 2021 02:10 PM (uS2EJ)
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Yes, but other "conservatives" have appropriated "Constitutional" principles to their own ends. (Ayn Rand, I'm looking at you.)

The Constitution is the *make up* of a collective decision-making process. It is collective in its thinking. Thomas Jefferson, as Governor of Virgina authored legislation making it punishable to say lewd things to a lady. You got a night in the stocks.

The founders were a lot less absolutist than some Constitution-idolaters have made them. And a lot of that borrows from the "reasoning" of the Communist-oriented Roger Baldwin who wanted, like Kruschev to hang us with our own rope.

Posted by: Axeman at February 19, 2021 02:18 PM (FYe3W)

117 16 Another problem: Half of "our side" agrees with the other side.
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Not half by far, just the ones who get a public mic so they can throw us under the bus for profit and the avenging of small wrongs. The Lincoln Project and the Uniparty simps have outed themselves, so we can recognize them and cut them out of the information chain.

Posted by: exdem13 at February 19, 2021 02:18 PM (W+kMI)

118 and somehow lost ALL THREE in just 4 years.
Posted by: Romeo13 at February 19, 2021 02:16 PM (oHd/0)

And what did the Congressional leaders do with their authority? Investigate Trump, empower Mueller, keep elections integrity-free.

Posted by: CN at February 19, 2021 02:19 PM (ONvIw)

119 I just now realized why all the restaurants are emailing about their seafood deals.

LOOK I'M BAPTIST, OKAY? OUR ONLY SACREMENT IS THE POT LUCK DINNER!

Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at February 19, 2021 02:19 PM (GbPPJ)

120 I really don't mind it in the butt
Posted by: B Kristol, Cruise Director at February 19, 2021 02:18 PM (BDQo0)

You're really too old for us to care about that.

Posted by: Executive Staff - Man Boy Lincoln Association at February 19, 2021 02:19 PM (Zz0t1)

121 The Chamberlain Gambit is appropriate for every situation.

Posted by: Neville Chamberlain at February 19, 2021 02:19 PM (03n3v)

122 Ace still does not admit that Biden won the election
He still thinks that it ess "rigged" even though judges appointed by Trump consistently ruled otherwise

Posted by: Proud Moderate at February 19, 2021 02:19 PM (ecS82)

123 25 I said before that last repost was the last repost, but this is kind of on Topic - Mack Jefferson - Invisible Resistance to Tyranny
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Will give it a read and see what comes of it.

Posted by: exdem13 at February 19, 2021 02:19 PM (W+kMI)

124 Shut up, Dunce.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 19, 2021 02:19 PM (yQpMk)

125 Continued from 72

PART II

A large part of what gets labeled "principles" consists of a pair of ideas: (1) a preference, and (2) consistent application of that preference. I choose "preference" here because the action we choose *isn't* necessarily the only moral option. The alternatives to our preference might make us unhappy, but choosing them isn't inherently evil. It depends on a lot of other factors, including the consequences.

So, for example, if we oppose cancelling Righty McPatriarch, to be consistent we must also oppose cancelling Lefty McFeminist for a similar transgression. But I cannot say that the act of "cancelling" is inherently evil. It might be unwise. It might be situationally evil, particularly if the consequences of being cancelled exceed the harm caused by the transgression. But calling attention to a bad act, and spreading word of the bad act, and refusing to do business with a bad actor... that's not intrinsically evil. PART III coming up...

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at February 19, 2021 02:20 PM (+1A9H)

126 The wife is watching Hallmark while I am gathering tax stuff and just saw the strangest thing. An ATT ad in Spanish, 30 second spot, during Monk reruns. Damn odd

Posted by: Rando East Texas Poster at February 19, 2021 02:20 PM (qu5Zx)

127 The Left has lost the Mandate of Heaven.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 19, 2021 02:17 PM (yQpMk)
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It's called the "Arc of History" or even Connie the Constitution, the living, breathing document with the holistic coffee shop in "The Village".

Posted by: Axeman at February 19, 2021 02:20 PM (FYe3W)

128 Neither Pelosi, Schumer, or Biden come from Gen X, the Millennials, or Gen Z. They aren't the products of all this public school indoctrination that I constantly hear about.

That is true. They are straight-up corrupto-crats of the first order. But the education system has created a couple of generations of non-thinking, non-questioning, government-is-the-answer drones that allow them to not only remain in power, but expand their power.

Posted by: Grapefruit LaCroix at February 19, 2021 02:20 PM (JVQFp)

129 The founders were a lot less absolutist than some Constitution-idolaters have made them.

Sure, George Washington sent troops to force whiskey makers to pay a federal tax per bottle. But was that right, or proper? To violate your own set of rules because you decided this topic was so important?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 19, 2021 02:20 PM (KZzsI)

130 >>> 48 Thief-in-Chief just landed in Kalamazoo.
Apparently touring the Pfizer plant nearby.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at February 19, 2021 02:08 PM (ufFY

to the tune of Gilligan's island:

Four hour tour
... a four hour tour ...

Posted by: Biden's Vigorous Viagra Tour at February 19, 2021 02:20 PM (gTVTz)

131 It was just FOUR years ago, that the GOP had the House, Senate, and Presidency. And somehow lost ALL THREE in just 4 years.

We only kept the Senate and House because of Trump. McConnell then did nothing. Paul Ryan and about 50 R's did nothing. Then retired. We almost kept the Senate in 2020 and almost took back the house because of Trump. People turned out because of Trump. Nobody voted R in 2020 because of McConnell or Mitt Romney.

Posted by: rcocean at February 19, 2021 02:20 PM (evE25)

132 122 Ace still does not admit that Biden won the election
He still thinks that it ess "rigged" even though judges appointed by Trump consistently ruled otherwise
Posted by: Proud Moderate at February 19, 2021 02:19 PM (ecS82)

Go ahead and add my name to that list.

Posted by: Inogame at February 19, 2021 02:20 PM (EILju)

133 According to a CNN analysis of data from Johns Hopkins University, the US is seeing a 29% decline in new Covid-19 cases compared to this time last week, the steepest one-week decline the US has seen during the pandemic. "
Posted by: runner at February 19, 2021 02:16 PM (W8e/N)
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Brave Sir Robinette has saved us!
Posted by: screaming in digital at February 19
Becuz half tne country is frozen at home?

Posted by: LASue at February 19, 2021 02:20 PM (D0r5+)

134 @EmeraldRobinson 6m

Twitter has permanently banned investigative reporter Paul Sperry.

Posted by: Tami at February 19, 2021 02:20 PM (cF8AT)

135 Another problem: Half of "our side" agrees with the other side.

The enemy within
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 19, 2021 02:02 PM (tsZQ+)

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Not half, just the visible part of the iceberg, the rest of us are under water. Let's wreck their Titanic.

Posted by: President Select Decaf at February 19, 2021 02:21 PM (hpVf/)

136 Do you really wanna win or just look good losing?

-Phonte

When I heard that lyric I immediately thought of the Republican Party.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at February 19, 2021 02:21 PM (Ks/+3)

137 Oh well, if SHE calls for it...

@JackPosobiec 3m

BREAKING: AOC calls for investigation into NY Gov. Cuomo over nursing home deaths scandal

Posted by: Tami at February 19, 2021 02:21 PM (cF8AT)

138 Another problem: Half of "our side" agrees with the other side.

I've said it for years. The main source of conflict between the left and right isn't over the proper relationship between citizen and state - they largely agree that the state should reign supreme. The argument is what the state should do with that power.

Posted by: Nutbush City Limits at February 19, 2021 02:21 PM (ipFbG)

139 The DC area already supports a group of professional losers dedicated to failing, but looking good while doing it. They're called the Washington Generals, and they get stomped by the Harlem Globetrotters in front of cheering crowds all around the world. If you're into losing with style, that's the team to join. We don't need a second similar team in the capitol, if you accept a spot on the ballot you need to playing to win. Not try really hard, not fight to a draw. Win. Everyone else can hang out at the gym and practice their ball handling skills.

Posted by: bittergeek at February 19, 2021 02:21 PM (O8ySC)

140 Ace still does not admit that Biden won the election
He still thinks that it ess "rigged" even though judges appointed by Trump consistently ruled otherwise
Posted by: Proud Moderate at February 19, 2021 02:19 PM (ecS82)

This is not the case and you're an idiot.

Stop LYING. It will work out better for you in the long run.

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at February 19, 2021 02:22 PM (Zz0t1)

141 .
.
I never said to give up "eye for an eye"

Me Me!!!

Posted by: Jesus at February 19, 2021 02:22 PM (BDQo0)

142 I just knew Cloggenstein had a child.

Posted by: Jak Sucio at February 19, 2021 02:22 PM (jvt6t)

143 The size, scope and reach of the federal government needs to be rolled back.

Which will never happen as there is too much money to be made, given out, looted, granted, stolen, etc.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 19, 2021 02:22 PM (R/m4+)

144 Ghislaine Maxwell admitted that Epstein had taped of Trump
Guess Ace missed that

Posted by: Proud Moderate at February 19, 2021 02:22 PM (ecS82)

145 And what did the Congressional leaders do with their authority? Investigate Trump, empower Mueller, keep elections integrity-free.

Uniparty baby. Uniparty. Trump screwed up their griftin' and no one screws with Uniparty's griftin'.

Posted by: shibumi at February 19, 2021 02:22 PM (tjZg/)

146 Posted by: Axeman at February 19, 2021 02:18 PM (FYe3W)

The Constitution in Jefferson's time was a series of limits on the FEDERAL Government, not State or Local governments.

It was not until later amendments and Court cases, that deemed local governments had to follow the Bill of Rights as well.

I think it was Mass that had a religious test to hold office on the books AFTER the Constitution was ratified.

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 19, 2021 02:22 PM (oHd/0)

147 When I heard that lyric I immediately thought of the Republican Party.
Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at February 19, 2021 02:21 PM (Ks/+3)

Except it should read "make money losing".

Posted by: CN at February 19, 2021 02:23 PM (ONvIw)

148 The wife is watching Hallmark while I am gathering tax stuff and just saw the strangest thing. An ATT ad in Spanish, 30 second spot, during Monk reruns. Damn odd
Posted by: Rando East Texas Poster at February 19, 2021 02:20 PM (qu5Zx)

Just prepping you for Biden's America.

Nothing to see here........

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at February 19, 2021 02:23 PM (Zz0t1)

149 rcocean at February 19, 2021 02:20 PM (evE25)

132 122 Ace still does not admit that Biden won the election
He still thinks that it ess "rigged" even though judges appointed by Trump consistently ruled otherwise
Posted by: Proud Moderate at February 19, 2021 02:19 PM (ecS82)

Admit.

Heh.

Posted by: LASue at February 19, 2021 02:23 PM (D0r5+)

150 No word of a lie, I just reached into a bag where I keep a bunch of plastic cutlery at work, to get a knife, and the only thing left inside was a bunch of spoons.

Posted by: ... at February 19, 2021 02:23 PM (DnmCs)

151 News: per The National File, DeSantis has just announced state flags will be flown at half-mast in honor of Rush Limbaugh.

Can Floridians just vote him Governor-for-Life at this point?

Posted by: Dr. T at February 19, 2021 02:23 PM (A1UwY)

152

"According to a CNN analysis of data from Johns Hopkins University, the US is seeing a 29% decline in new Covid-19 cases compared to this time last week, the steepest one-week decline the US has seen during the pandemic. "
Posted by: runner at February 19, 2021 02:16 PM (W8e/N)
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Brave Sir Robinette has saved us!
Posted by: screaming in digital

In fact, we are starting to see herd immunity, despite teh Biden admin's cowardly "mandates" and advice.

Posted by: imp at February 19, 2021 02:23 PM (SFOr6)

153 there are certain principles that I will not sacrifice, no matter what I might win by doing so. There are some things that are just intrinsically evil.

I would go further and say that certain acts are so evil that they destroy your principle, or at least reveal it to have been "to win at any cost" all along. Giving up everything you believe in to defeat an evil is as bad as that evil. Doing deeds that are worse than your opponents, is at least as evil as they are.

Pragmatism is the enemy of the good; when you define good as "it worked" then you've lost all moral authority

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 19, 2021 02:24 PM (KZzsI)

154 It was just FOUR years ago, that the GOP had the House, Senate, and Presidency. And somehow lost ALL THREE in just 4 years.

We only kept the Senate and House because of Trump. McConnell then did nothing. Paul Ryan and about 50 R's did nothing. Then retired. We almost kept the Senate in 2020 and almost took back the house because of Trump. People turned out because of Trump. Nobody voted R in 2020 because of McConnell or Mitt Romney.
Posted by: rcocean at February 19, 2021 02:20 PM (evE25)

I'll keep admitting that I am such an idiot I thought, I really and truly thought, the GOP would have bills lined up like planes on a runway to be passed and for Trump to sign. Because I'm an idiot.

I believe quite firmly that Paul Ryan and those in his camp believed the Russia Russia Russia shit and that Trump would be removed from office and thus the cowardice.

Or they're just shit weasels and I'm giving people too much credit again.

Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at February 19, 2021 02:24 PM (GbPPJ)

155 Killer Cuomo said he lives to lie everyday.

Posted by: demon news media at February 19, 2021 02:24 PM (9dg6a)

156 142 I just knew Cloggenstein had a child.

Posted by: Jak Sucio at February 19, 2021 02:22 PM (jvt6t)

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Bride of Cloggenstein.

Posted by: ShainS at February 19, 2021 02:24 PM (oKbyN)

157 Abiding by principles is good. Christians of the past built mighty nations and empires because they knew which principles were bedrock and which allowed room for flexibility. Against complete moral bankrupts, of course, the principle of reciprocation is far more important than any other. Show them that stepping over the line will have devastating consequences.

Put another way: the modern Pharisees like David French and Rod Dreher hide their inaction behind a wall of seemingly impenetrable principle. In reality, their sly treachery is merely an excuse to be lazy. It is this lack of active virtue throughout the highest levels of the Republican Party which permitted the real President, Donald Trump, to so effortlessly secure the loyalty of its base.

Posted by: trev006 at February 19, 2021 02:24 PM (0HpOW)

158 While I maintain that Christianity is the solution to our current problems. The Constitution was made to go hand in hand.

Seconded. Christianity requires the truth in everything.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Psychos Rule! No, really. They're in charge now. at February 19, 2021 02:25 PM (HaL55)

159 Brave Sir Robinette has saved us!
Posted by: screaming in digital

God Bless Herr Biden, Heil Biden!

Posted by: People forced to take a loyalty oath at February 19, 2021 02:25 PM (ONvIw)

160 This is why I advocate cheating in elections, because they are no longer elections, its all Calvinball.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 19, 2021 02:04 PM (r+sAi)

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I don't have a problem with that, at least it's a peaceful tactic. Besides, why tie our own hands?

Posted by: President Select Decaf at February 19, 2021 02:25 PM (hpVf/)

161 and somehow lost ALL THREE in just 4 years.
I know how.

Posted by: Dominion Voting Systems at February 19, 2021 02:25 PM (r+sAi)

162 Posted by: Proud Moderate at February 19, 2021 02:19 PM (ecS82)

I am a Nigerian Prince who is having problems transferring ten million dollars to my American bank. If you would assist me by allowing me to use your social security number I will give you one million dollars.

Posted by: C 137 at February 19, 2021 02:25 PM (2DOZq)

163
Or they're just shit weasels and I'm giving people too much credit again.
Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at February 19, 2021 02:24 PM (GbPPJ)

This is the path you should choose.

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at February 19, 2021 02:25 PM (Zz0t1)

164 Posted by: Proud Moderate at February 19, 2021 02:19 PM (ecS82)

No, Ace and the rest of us admit that Trump won the election, and that Biden's occupation of the White House has ended constitutional government in America.

Sorry for any confusion there.

Posted by: Dr. T at February 19, 2021 02:25 PM (A1UwY)

165 If they are above the law, so are we.

Our system is not a suicide pact.

Posted by: I M Simpleton at February 19, 2021 02:25 PM (jQBOW)

166 Tyranny is not marked out by it's severity but rather by it's capriciousness. When the law is different for one citizen over another, you are living under tyranny.

We are living under tyranny.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) reminds you at February 19, 2021 02:25 PM (yQpMk)

167 In a perfect world, noses wouldn't need punching, nor balls kicked, or hair pulled...

We don't live there. The Marquis of Queensbury would be nut-kicking by now.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at February 19, 2021 02:25 PM (z79tQ)

168 Trump is hated by the left and the cVcks because he took their playbook and turned it on them after years of them running the same plays over and over.

Let's hope DeSantis can become the man to carry it on.

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at February 19, 2021 02:25 PM (M+Lyo)

169 Tom Nichols: gay for pay or does he suck cock just because he likes the flavor?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Logan Tiberius Edwards (2012-2021) at February 19, 2021 02:00 PM (ifmtJ)

He enjoys the cream filling.

Posted by: demon news media at February 19, 2021 02:25 PM (9dg6a)

170 -----

Bride of Cloggenstein.
Posted by: ShainS at February 19, 2021 02:24 PM (oKbyN)

Well DONE, sir.

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at February 19, 2021 02:26 PM (Zz0t1)

171 This Canadian pastor is in jail for holding services amid the "pandemic". I think he recently had a sermon about duty to the government. It may be on their website, but I haven't seen it:

https://tinyurl.com/hq8de540

Coming fairly soon to an American church near you, I expect.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 19, 2021 02:26 PM (VP4Cd)

172 I don't have a problem with that, at least it's a peaceful tactic.

And based on the last 25 or more years, there appears to be almost zero consequence of doing so

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 19, 2021 02:26 PM (KZzsI)

173 Oh Bee:

https://tinyurl.com/5yswuftw

Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at February 19, 2021 02:26 PM (GbPPJ)

174 BREAKING: AOC calls for investigation into NY Gov. Cuomo over nursing home deaths scandal
Posted by: Tami at February 19, 2021 02:21 PM (cF8AT)

What a courageous leader.

Posted by: ... at February 19, 2021 02:26 PM (DnmCs)

175 We completely control a number of states. So we should enact legislation that takes power away from the institutions that the left controls, like West Virginia's senate did yesterday with the educational money following the student. And we should enact legislation that punishes federal agents and their allies in the private sector when they violate our rights, like being able to sue the tech giants when they defame us or prevent us from being able to speak our minds, as well as giving state and local governments the power to arrest any federal agent who tries to violate the rights of the citizens of that state.

There are plenty more things we can do and we should enact this legislation and then use it whenever our rights are being violated. Make as many states safe zones as possible and make the left pay for their totalitarian abuse of power whenever, wherever, and however we can.

Posted by: Blor Utar, from Zimtok-5 at February 19, 2021 02:26 PM (xxG/v)

176 Emmy award laureate Cuomo....

Posted by: runner at February 19, 2021 02:26 PM (W8e/N)

177 CocaCola employee training insists you "Try to be less white."

They go on to explain how you can be less white:
"Be less oppressive, Be less arrogant, Be less certain, Be less defensive, Be less ignorant, Be more humble, Listen,
Believe (I'm assuming they mean believe what non-white people say), Break with apathy, Break with white solidarity"

So, logically one can infer they are being taught that "being white" means you are oppressive, arrogant, overly certain, defensive, ignorant, don't listen, think all non-white people are liars, apathetic, and support other white people no matter their actions.

Posted by: bonhomme at February 19, 2021 02:26 PM (YYlyE)

178 The "muh principles" folks are starting to rethink their positions...

I remember a certain commentator here that once advocated a position of, when the worst happens, a person should conserve their cash to take care of their family and tell the banks and credit card companies to fuck off.

At the time, a majority of AoSHQers said that Oh Noes, it wouldn't be moral to screw the bloodsucking bankers out of their due just to put food on the table. To follow Mitt and other high-minded losers, it would be best to watch their children starve than to miss a mortgage payment.

Maybe times are a changing.

Posted by: jwest at February 19, 2021 02:27 PM (/BlEx)

179 link: https://bit.ly/2ZzrRfz

Posted by: bonhomme at February 19, 2021 02:27 PM (YYlyE)

180 C'mon guys, let's not feed the troll.

Posted by: lowandslow at February 19, 2021 02:27 PM (qH6FZ)

181 But the education system has created a couple of
generations of non-thinking, non-questioning, government-is-the-answer
drones that allow them to not only remain in power, but expand their
power.
Posted by: Grapefruit LaCroix at February 19, 2021 02:20 PM (JVQFp)

As opposed to the "Greatest Generation" - which voted for every friggin' expansion of government put in front of them ? Nah. Indoctrination by the state, using state schools, isn't anything new. People here just oppose the new indoctrination. But schools have always indoctrinated - with loud support from some here, as long as the propaganda meets their personal approval. Schools have NEVER been some bastion of free thought.

Posted by: Nutbush City Limits at February 19, 2021 02:27 PM (ipFbG)

182 >>> I believe quite firmly that Paul Ryan and those in his camp believed the Russia Russia Russia shit and that Trump would be removed from office and thus the cowardice.
Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at February 19, 2021 02:24 PM (GbPPJ)

They did not believe in or even care about the former, but yes they certainly did believe in and hoped against hope for the latter.

Posted by: banana Dream at February 19, 2021 02:27 PM (gTVTz)

183 Coming fairly soon to an American church near you, I expect.

Yes, I do as well. This was just the first trial, and nearly all pastors failed the test of faith vs obedience to the powers of the land.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 19, 2021 02:27 PM (KZzsI)

184 Schadenfreude is one principle I will not abandon.

Posted by: mr tmz at February 19, 2021 02:16 PM (m/Gc2)

We'll always have boobs to fall back on.

Posted by: 4 at February 19, 2021 02:27 PM (KnJdm)

185 Brave Sir Robinette has saved us!
======================
Easy now, buddy.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at February 19, 2021 02:28 PM (7Fj9P)

186 .
"When I left, those tin pans had all but given up. Their spirit was nearly broken. A man without spirit is whipped. But a preacher, he could give them faith. Shit! One ounce of faith, they'll be dug in deeper than tick on a hound."

Posted by: Jesus at February 19, 2021 02:28 PM (BDQo0)

187 Or they're just shit weasels and I'm giving people too much credit again.
Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at February 19, 2021 02:24 PM

Yes.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 19, 2021 02:28 PM (ejd/p)

188 CocaCola employee training insists you "Try to be less white."

Posted by: bonhomme at February 19, 2021 02:26 PM (YYlyE)

Good thing I don't drink or work for Coke, then.

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at February 19, 2021 02:28 PM (Zz0t1)

189 We learned some difficult truths over the past five years. The Deep State Swamp indeed got drained and now we're all seeing the various disgusting animals that live in its depraved depths. Thank you, President Trump. You did us and the world a service that cannot be repaid.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Psychos Rule! No, really. They're in charge now. at February 19, 2021 02:06 PM (HaL55)

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That's why the monsters knew they had to move quickly to protect themselves, hence election fraud and National Guard and expulsion of everyone decent from their ranks.

Posted by: President Select Decaf at February 19, 2021 02:28 PM (hpVf/)

190 The only way this tyranny stops is if the tyrants, both politicians and their propaganda press, are in fear of their lives from the general populace.

How you do that and still remain Christians is the question. One I struggle with.

I have a very good friend who is a Christian who has 4 teenagers. He's told me not to save him a spot in the bugout place I'm preparing in case this lunacy goes hot, because he can't kill another human being, even to keep his own kids from being killed. "Better to be killed and go to Heaven with my family than to become someone who kills."

That's his personal choice informed by his sincerely-held beliefs, though he is taken aback when I tell him that he's making a decision for his kids that isn't his to make.

Me? I'll kill to defend my three kids' lives when the time comes. I have no qualms about it at all.

Posted by: Sharkman at February 19, 2021 02:28 PM (0bGEp)

191 It was just FOUR years ago, that the GOP had the House, Senate, and Presidency. And somehow lost ALL THREE in just 4 years.

We only kept the Senate and House because of Trump. McConnell then did nothing. Paul Ryan and about 50 R's did nothing. Then retired. We almost kept the Senate in 2020 and almost took back the house because of Trump. People turned out because of Trump. Nobody voted R in 2020 because of McConnell or Mitt Romney.
Posted by: rcocean at February 19, 2021 02:20 PM (evE25)

I'll keep admitting that I am such an idiot I thought, I really and truly thought, the GOP would have bills lined up like planes on a runway to be passed and for Trump to sign. Because I'm an idiot.

I believe quite firmly that Paul Ryan and those in his camp believed the Russia Russia Russia shit and that Trump would be removed from office and thus the cowardice.

Or they're just shit weasels and I'm giving people too much credit again.
==
Only. One. Party.

Posted by: you are tripping over the evidence and landing in it, face first at February 19, 2021 02:28 PM (1XMBv)

192 At the time, a majority of AoSHQers said that Oh Noes, it wouldn't be moral to screw the bloodsucking bankers out of their due just to put food on the table.

I keep reading this from various commenters recently but I have no memory at all of these mythical times.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 19, 2021 02:28 PM (KZzsI)

193 Or they're just shit weasels and I'm giving people too much credit again.
Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at February 19, 2021 02:24 PM (GbPPJ)

I realized something a few years ago. Our expectations of people are based on who we are.

If you are honorable? You expect them to have honor.
If you are a LIAR? You will be the first to accuse others of telling lies.

Just shows you are a better person than those shit weasels.

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 19, 2021 02:28 PM (oHd/0)

194 Make as many states safe zones as possible and make the left pay for their totalitarian abuse of power whenever, wherever, and however we can.
Posted by: Blor Utar, from Zimtok-5 at February 19, 2021 02:26 PM (xxG/v)

Excellent idea.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 19, 2021 02:28 PM (R/m4+)

195 We'll always have boobs to fall back on.
Posted by: 4 at February 19, 2021 02:27 PM (KnJdm)

Well, for some of us it's forward but still . . . .

Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at February 19, 2021 02:29 PM (GbPPJ)

196 And yes, I know and understand that the feds have the power of the purse that they can wield against us. We should proceed anyway and suffer in the short term for standing up for our rights. Eventually, we can win back control of Congress and put an end to the left's use of the power of the purse against us. We need to accept that we'll be punished by these evil, malevolent people but that it will come with consequences for them as well.

Posted by: Blor Utar, from Zimtok-5 at February 19, 2021 02:29 PM (xxG/v)

197 should conserve their cash to take care of their family and tell the banks and credit card

Liar, you said bleed your ccs, get into debt, stash cash in you mattress, leave others to pay for your stupid idea

Posted by: runner at February 19, 2021 02:29 PM (W8e/N)

198 So why does the Coca Cola anti white problem list sound like that Lebron dude?

Posted by: Rando East Texas Poster at February 19, 2021 02:29 PM (qu5Zx)

199 Or they're just shit weasels and I'm giving people too much credit again.
Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at February 19, 2021 02:24 PM (GbPPJ)

Never ascribe evil intent when it is clear that incompetence is the motive.

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at February 19, 2021 02:30 PM (qQnCr)

200 Part of the problem for the establishment GOP is that they don't have anything like a positive vision of culture. They can talk about the importance of a shared culture, but they don't advocate anything specific. Instead, they bitch about the common culture and then accept it. What they hate about Trump, I think, is that MAGA was a way to craft a political identity and a separate culture from the fever-swamp of common culture.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at February 19, 2021 02:30 PM (jOcSX)

201 188 CocaCola employee training insists you "Try to be less white."

Posted by: bonhomme at February 19, 2021 02:26 PM (YYlyE)

Good thing I don't drink or work for Coke, then.
Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at February 19, 2021 02:28 PM (Zz0t1)

But if I wear black face or appropriate someone else's culture, I'm blacklisted.

OK then.

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 19, 2021 02:30 PM (oHd/0)

202 Coming fairly soon to an American church near you, I expect.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 19, 2021 02:26 PM (VP4Cd)

"The conditions of his release is that he will not pastor anymore." Seriously?

This is an example of a law that a Christian can break.

Posted by: grammie winger at February 19, 2021 02:30 PM (45fpk)

203 I do believe there are tactics we fail to use that do not abandon our principles. One is just saying NO. Always compromising is a losing formula.

Posted by: C 137 at February 19, 2021 02:30 PM (2DOZq)

204 > Good thing I don't drink or work for Coke, then.

Agreed, but the problem is much bigger than that. This exact sort of training is being presented in schools, government, and many other large corporations.

Posted by: bonhomme at February 19, 2021 02:31 PM (YYlyE)

205 Great post, Buck. Thanks for the insight you provide when Ace calls you in from the bullpen.

Apologies for not saying that BEFORE posting 2 OT comments earlier. I'm putting myself in detention

Posted by: Doof at February 19, 2021 02:31 PM (mZUr4)

206 its more than just cash. Ask those guys who had a party to flip off California's occupancy laws and the state shut off their power and water. Ask congress who is now considering attainder laws to punish people who didn't even commit the crime.

Every old tyrannical evil the founders fought against and the world used to be run by hundreds of years ago is raising its ugly head once more, and this time, there's no America to run to for liberty.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 19, 2021 02:31 PM (KZzsI)

207
Pragmatism is the enemy of the good; when you define good as "it worked" then you've lost all moral authority
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 19, 2021 02:24 PM (KZzsI)

"Our side" did NOT engage in pragmatism to defeat the dems, it engaged in lies and smears to defeat Trump and US. Did Pence actually accomplish anything with his "election integrity commission"? No. Was he asked to cheat and lie to help the GOP win? No. They stand up for their wallets only and what the LP calls "generational wealth". They don't fight at all when it comes to the donks, but when it comes to us, all weapons are on the table. Troops in DC, charges of insurrection (none for antifa) and no objections at all to the demise of free speech, freedom of assembly, etc.

Posted by: CN at February 19, 2021 02:31 PM (ONvIw)

208 CocaCola employee training insists you "Try to be less white."
Posted by: bonhomme at February 19, 2021 02:26 PM (YYlyE)

I drink RC Cola. Cheaper and tastes better.

Plus you never see an RC Cola commercial. I like that for some reason.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 19, 2021 02:31 PM (R/m4+)

209 I believe quite firmly that Paul Ryan and those in his camp believed the Russia Russia Russia shit and that Trump would be removed from office and thus the cowardice.

Or they're just shit weasels and I'm giving people too much credit again.

I'm going with "they were shitweasels who were insulted at the notion that they might actually have to produce results for the base."

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at February 19, 2021 02:31 PM (jOcSX)

210 you know, i get the idea that these libs and cuck-cons are bad people.

they say Rush, who was a great person and leader, was a bad person because of his ideas? For the cuck cons, those ideas are their own or fairly adjacent to their own so that someone on the other side wouldn't really be able to tell them apart.

for the evil left, you know the 95% that gives the rest a bad name, their hate is likewise vile. "Oh he had bad thoughts, he should rot in hell". Yeah, we get it, you're itching for your own Great March forward and decimation of our population of mind-criminals.

that's all I got to say about that.

Posted by: Tim Riggins at February 19, 2021 02:31 PM (5Bw0D)

211 Never ascribe evil intent when it is clear that incompetence is the motive.
Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at February 19, 2021 02:30 PM (qQnCr)

It is Never ascribe to ignorance what can be adequately explained by malice.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) reminds you at February 19, 2021 02:31 PM (yQpMk)

212 IOW, DOOMED!

Posted by: MAGA (stop the steal link in this nic) at February 19, 2021 02:31 PM (cMXNt)

213 195 We'll always have boobs to fall back on.
Posted by: 4 at February 19, 2021 02:27 PM (KnJdm)

Well, for some of us it's forward but still . . . .
Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at February 19, 2021 02:29 PM (GbPPJ)

Especially when wearing these 4 inch heels.

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at February 19, 2021 02:31 PM (qQnCr)

214 Even Prager is thinking we have to start playing by Alinsky's rules,
Playing fair isn't working if they are cheating

Posted by: Skip at February 19, 2021 02:31 PM (Cxk7w)

215 Most of the R's don't want to win or do what is right. They have proposed more legislation that will go absolutely no where in the past 30 days than when they controlled all 3 branches and could have affected real change. So it's going to take fighters but first we have to get real fighters in position to fight.

Posted by: Tree of Liberty Landscaping at February 19, 2021 02:32 PM (DB16e)

216 CocaCola employee training insists you "Try to be less white."

They go on to explain how you can be less white:

"Be less oppressive, Be less arrogant, Be less certain, Be less defensive, Be less ignorant, Be more humble, Listen,

Believe (I'm assuming they mean believe what non-white people say), Break with apathy, Break with white solidarity"

Posted by: bonhomme at February 19, 2021 02:26 PM (YYlyE) What is this gobbledygook?
I will be less certain about my desire for coke products. Just doing my part.

Posted by: 4 at February 19, 2021 02:32 PM (KnJdm)

217 The Constitution in Jefferson's time was a series of limits on the FEDERAL Government, not State or Local governments.

It was not until later amendments and Court cases, that deemed local governments had to follow the Bill of Rights as well.

I think it was Mass that had a religious test to hold office on the books AFTER the Constitution was ratified.
Posted by: Romeo13 at February 19, 2021 02:22 PM (oHd/0)
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We agree.

To a degree it's Hanson and his 14th amendment--but not really so, since the people's representation, Congress was given the power to rein in states--not judges.

It has been the process of the courts that judges have arrogated more and more power to their office and really is the best chance to make the Constitution a suicide pact by the conceit of judges as being "fit to judge" whatever.

Posted by: Axeman at February 19, 2021 02:32 PM (FYe3W)

218 But if I wear black face or appropriate someone else's culture, I'm blacklisted.

OK then.

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 19, 2021 02:30 PM (oHd/0)
And if someone took a picture, you could be blackmailed.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at February 19, 2021 02:32 PM (xlMG4)

219 And bad Bee for making the onions rain on my face:

https://tinyurl.com/coya8jdw

Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at February 19, 2021 02:32 PM (GbPPJ)

220 I don't like Hanlon's razor. People can be both evil and dumb.

Posted by: Broseidon at February 19, 2021 02:32 PM (icI8A)

221 Having watched some tranny porn this week I can't think of a more self obsessed group of people on earth except for Obama. They literally sit around on view cam jerking their junk and showing their tits and responding to viewer requests to showtheir ass. Oh, and they constantly are playing with their hair and looking at themselves online. My thought is this is America.

Posted by: Puddin Head at February 19, 2021 02:32 PM (T1Dne)

222 Well, for some of us it's forward but still . . . .

Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at February 19, 2021 02:29 PM (GbPPJ)

lol

Posted by: 4 at February 19, 2021 02:32 PM (KnJdm)

223
I believe quite firmly that Paul Ryan and those in his camp believed the Russia Russia Russia shit and that Trump would be removed from office and thus the cowardice.

Or they're just shit weasels and I'm giving people too much credit again.

Posted by: you are tripping over the evidence and landing in it, face first at February 19, 2021 02:28 PM

embrace the power of "and"

Posted by: AltonJackson at February 19, 2021 02:33 PM (wQ7Pg)

224 Desperate times call for desperate measures. Principles play no part in that, unless we want to watch everything we have and hold dear stripped from us because it's not gentlemanly. I don't believe the thought would even entire the minds of our founders, when faced with choosing their freedom or living under the chains of the king. It's time to fight, and for conservatives to do so BAMN.

Posted by: Lady in Black - GODSPEED Rush Limbaugh at February 19, 2021 02:33 PM (O+I8R)

225 But schools have always indoctrinated - with loud support from some here, as long as the propaganda meets their personal approval. Schools have NEVER been some bastion of free thought.

I agree 100% with that. But maybe if some enterprising patriots abandon their principles, so to speak, and make some examples out of them during the coming Dark Times, then maybe the leftward march through the education system can be derailed for a generation or two.

And to circle back to the topic du jour, I think my principles of defending free speech end at Islamism and Socialism. I guess that's a principle I'm willing to abandon in our current situation we find ourselves in.

Posted by: Grapefruit LaCroix at February 19, 2021 02:33 PM (JVQFp)

226 Continued from 125

PART III

"Consistency" only makes sense with "cooperation." As others have noted, the success of a tit-for-tat strategy is elementary Game Theory. It's a dominant strategy. Remember: while we're morally obligated to avoid doing things that are intrinsically evil, as long as we're just selecting from preferences, we're not abandoning our principles if we change our preferences. It only makes sense to be consistent if we're not being harmed in the process, if our consistency is not being used as a weapon against us.

To put it another way, we *propose* consistency: I promise not to cancel you if you promise not to cancel me. If we both agree to that bargain, great. If you turn me down, I'm not bound to consistency. I'm going to argue that your cancellation of me is bad and terrible and you shouldn't do it, but I'm not obligated not to cancel you when you mess up. That wasn't part of the deal. You declined the offer of consistency.

PART IV coming up...

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at February 19, 2021 02:33 PM (+1A9H)

227 This is an example of a law that a Christian can break.

Indeed. The worst of times, the most frightening and dangerous of times is when a church is most needed and most should be open. Ordering churches to close is just about the acme of evil. Christians have not just the option, but the duty to oppose this.

When I grew up, the church met no matter how many people were there or what was going on. If you had to wade into the sanctuary through a flood, and only 2 people showed up, the pastor still had church. If there was no power, they ha church in the dark with candles. If there was no heat, people bundled up.

Now church shuts down for the slightest of causes.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 19, 2021 02:33 PM (KZzsI)

228 Me? I'll kill to defend my three kids' lives when the time comes. I have no qualms about it at all.

Posted by: Sharkman at February 19, 2021 02:28 PM (0bGEp)

I agree. I don't see anything in Scripture that would lead me to believe that you should not protect the innocent or the infirm.

Posted by: grammie winger at February 19, 2021 02:33 PM (45fpk)

229 "..like the argument, "If you use your opponents tactics, then you're no better than he is!"
-- Badger response: "There's a Huuuge difference, he uses his tactics to start sh!t. I use them to end it"

it is even clearer ... they use murderous/riotous tactics to destroy our liberties (enslave us) ... we fight back in self defense. But as it grows into national corruption, we may have to actually "go on the offensive" at some point. But it is still to retain our liberty, which they are offensively stealing every day. We are fighting a corrupt and advancing mafia/army ... there is no moral equivalence on "tactics" we use against these invaders.

Posted by: illiniwek at February 19, 2021 02:34 PM (Cus5s)

230 40 At what point is it acceptable to revolt against authorities? As a Christian, we believe that God has placed all authorities over us -- even the bad ones -- and told us that we must submit to them. But is there ever a place to turn on that authority because it is too evil?

So that is, in a sense, a rebellion against authorities, by refusing to obey. But can we take that further and remove them from power? Is it worth killing over, such as the founding fathers engaged in?
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Scripture actually says "yes" at points. via Moses, the Judges, Jehu, Josiah, the Maccabees, Jesus himself, and the Apostles in some places. Lawful authority does not promote itself as desiring to take the place of the LORD in our lives. Lawful authority is respectful of the Natural Law handed down to us by the LORD. That sort of authority is tyrannical and oppressive as a matter of course, and is to be resisted. Those who do so are righteous in the struggle. However, our current adversary equates legal resistance and lawful opposition to be hateful and divisive acts. They want to quash all dissent and opposition. If we don't stand up for the right, we will find our Babylonian exile. So we fight.

Posted by: exdem13 at February 19, 2021 02:34 PM (W+kMI)

231
Tim Miller's sweater is gay as hell.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at February 19, 2021 02:34 PM (0WKYs)

232 I want to see the slides of "try to be less black and less hispanic" from Coke too. Those should be a hoot.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 19, 2021 02:34 PM (r+sAi)

233 Liar, you said bleed your ccs, get into debt, stash cash in you mattress, leave others to pay for your stupid idea
Posted by: runner at February 19, 2021 02:29 PM (W8e/N)

I still believe that to this day. If someone is sitting on their paid-off home without a ton a cash in reserve, they should mortgage the shit out of it at 2%. Anyone who doesn't think there is a crash coming is too stupid to save.

Posted by: jwest at February 19, 2021 02:34 PM (/BlEx)

234 CocaCola employee training insists you "Try to be less white."

They go on to explain how you can be less white:

"Be less oppressive, Be less arrogant, Be less certain, Be less defensive, Be less ignorant, Be more humble, Listen,
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Showing us how to end racism, one racist screed at a time.

Posted by: ... at February 19, 2021 02:34 PM (DnmCs)

235 I don't like Hanlon's razor. People can be both evil and dumb.
Posted by: Broseidon at February 19, 2021 02:32 PM (icI8A)

None of us are as dumb as all of us.

Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at February 19, 2021 02:35 PM (GbPPJ)

236 313 rcocean

No, mcconnell did "something." He made sure the inept and talentless Ronna Romney kept her seat at the head of the GOPe after, first, losing the House and, then, losing the Senate and the WH, bc she was too stupid to realize what was happening in GA, PA and the other swing states.

Posted by: EveR at February 19, 2021 02:35 PM (R0z7P)

237 Can you grapple with monsters without becoming a monster?
==
I think somebody needs to re-watch the Lord of the Rings Trilogy.

Posted by: Boromir/Aragorn/Frodo at February 19, 2021 02:35 PM (MO39B)

238 I doubt that anyone in power and "nominally" on our side has any principles toward the Republic any longer. That should be as plain as the nose on your face.

They have stabbed is in the back so many times, that when we say "stupid" party, that probably means us.

Posted by: Jak Sucio at February 19, 2021 02:35 PM (jvt6t)

239 And bad Bee for making the onions rain on my face:

https://tinyurl.com/coya8jdw

Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at February 19, 2021 02:32 PM (GbPPJ)

Oh geez. Onions here too.

Posted by: grammie winger at February 19, 2021 02:35 PM (45fpk)

240 This is an example of a law that a Christian can break.
Posted by: grammie winger at February 19, 2021 02:30 PM (45fpk)

Yes.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 19, 2021 02:35 PM (VP4Cd)

241 CocaCola employee training insists you "Try to be less white."

That is some sick stuff right there.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Psychos Rule! No, really. They're in charge now. at February 19, 2021 02:35 PM (HaL55)

242
The Constitution in Jefferson's time was a series of limits on the FEDERAL Government, not State or Local governments.

Those who were opposed to the Bill of Rights at the time said as much, that they would be used by the central government as a way for the camel to stick it's nose in the State's tents. They were proven correct. The notion of Incorporation - that the Federal Government would guarantee individual rights in a Republic - has done far, far more harm than good. It renders the notion of a Republic pretty much dead.

Posted by: Nutbush City Limits at February 19, 2021 02:35 PM (ipFbG)

243 If Coke wants me to be less white, perhaps I should periodically jump into a vat of coke.

For that period, my skin will look less white.

Posted by: Axeman at February 19, 2021 02:35 PM (FYe3W)

244 A trust fall into a cushion of boobs sounds kinda nice.

Posted by: Count de Monet in exile at his Fortress of Solitude at February 19, 2021 02:35 PM (4I/2K)

245 228 Me? I'll kill to defend my three kids' lives when the time comes. I have no qualms about it at all.

Posted by: Sharkman at February 19, 2021 02:28 PM (0bGEp)

I agree. I don't see anything in Scripture that would lead me to believe that you should not protect the innocent or the infirm.
Posted by: grammie winger at February 19, 2021 02:33 PM (45fpk)

Sell your cloak, buy a sword.

/looks at his sword collection

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 19, 2021 02:36 PM (oHd/0)

246 CocaCola employee training insists you "Try to be less white."

Damn it. I gave up "and Coke" for Lent.
1. Now that I'm giving up Coke permanently, I need to give up something else for Lent.
2. I have to find a new mixer. I can drink Jack Daniels straight; I can't drink Bacardi straight.

Posted by: Chuck C at February 19, 2021 02:36 PM (awtm/)

247
To put it another way, we *propose* consistency: I promise not to cancel you if you promise not to cancel me. If we both agree to that bargain, great. If you turn me down, I'm not bound to consistency. I'm going to argue that your cancellation of me is bad and terrible and you shouldn't do it, but I'm not obligated not to cancel you when you mess up. That wasn't part of the deal. You declined the offer of consistency.

I disagree to this extent: Principles are what are the foundation for preferences. You make a preference based on your worldview and ideals, and that preference adjusts to the setting and events, rather than being an ever-shifting set of ideals that adapts to everything constantly.

The principles are bedrock. The preferences are built upon that.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 19, 2021 02:36 PM (KZzsI)

248 How do I reach Weird Dave or MisHum with a possible something for an ONT? Or do I just send it to ace?

Posted by: TheHoser at February 19, 2021 02:36 PM (b9pgb)

249 I often get the feel that a certain few of the people who regularly post here do so in order to encourage inactivity and passivity. It is possible, necessary, to battle evil without becoming evil, but if your such a Simon-pure screecher that having shit splatter on you is reason enough top avoid action, then you are of no use to anyone but yourself.

Posted by: No Longer Amused at February 19, 2021 02:36 PM (vTW2/)

250 CocaCola employee training insists you "Try to be less white."

--

I'd like to teach the world to sing
in perfect harmony
I'd like to buy the world a coke
and all the white people we should choke...

Yeah, Muldoon could do better. Just pointing out how far they've come from that sappy little diddy of my childhood.

Posted by: Lady in Black - GODSPEED Rush Limbaugh at February 19, 2021 02:36 PM (O+I8R)

251 "I have foresworn myself. I have broken every law I have sworn to uphold, I have become what I beheld and I am content that I have done right!"

Eliot Ness - The Untouchables

Posted by: brass pair at February 19, 2021 02:36 PM (L76ft)

252 Never ascribe evil intent when it is clear that incompetence is the motive.

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at February 19, 2021 02:30 PM (qQnCr)

It is Never ascribe to ignorance what can be adequately explained by malice.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) reminds you at February 19, 2021 02:31 PM (yQpMk)

I am that the Left's incompetence will get in the way of their malice. That and the infighting. Most of them are happy to occupy do-nothing jobs and talk a lot about what they are going to do, while trying to sabotage each other and climb the greasy pole.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at February 19, 2021 02:36 PM (xlMG4)

253 They go on to explain how you can be less white:

"Be less oppressive, Be less arrogant, Be less certain, Be less defensive, Be less ignorant, Be more humble, Listen"

Do they not know any actual black people? Or hispanics? Asians?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 19, 2021 02:37 PM (KZzsI)

254 I agree. I don't see anything in Scripture that would lead me to believe that you should not protect the innocent or the infirm.
Posted by: grammie winger at February 19, 2021 02:33 PM (45fpk)
================
Reminds me of a great line by the Preacher in Firefly: "The Bible says thou shall not kill.... but is somewhat nebulous on the topic of kneecapping."

Posted by: I'm the Honey Badger, BITCH! at February 19, 2021 02:37 PM (EkO2d)

255 244 A trust fall into a cushion of boobs sounds kinda nice.
Posted by: Count de Monet in exile at his Fortress of Solitude at February 19, 2021 02:35 PM (4I/2K)

Do you have a newsletter?

Posted by: Inogame at February 19, 2021 02:37 PM (EILju)

256 For some reason, the historical parallel that comes to my mind at the moment is the Spanish Inquisition.

Posted by: SFGoth at February 19, 2021 02:37 PM (KAi1n)

257 We'll always have boobs to fall back on.
Posted by: 4 at February 19, 2021 02:27 PM (KnJdm)

Well, for some of us it's forward but still . . . .
Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at February 19, 2021 02:29 PM (GbPPJ)

That's hot.

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at February 19, 2021 02:37 PM (Zz0t1)

258 >>> None of us are as dumb as all of us.
Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at February 19, 2021 02:35 PM (GbPPJ)

I used to have that one from the old demotivation poster website on my screen saver at work back when you could actually control those settings yourself.

Posted by: banana Dream at February 19, 2021 02:37 PM (gTVTz)

259 For the last 40 years there has been ONE party, wholly owned by foreign interests and completely compromised by their involvement in graft, corruption and child rape.

Both sides of the aisle knew from the moment Trump was elected that the Russia Hoax was complete bullshit. Yet the GOPe let the Dems ruin the first three years of his administration with the Mueller Probe and Fake Impeachment One.

Both sides wanted Trump out, because he and his family were the ONLY people in DC who weren't there to loot the Treasury on behalf of themselves and their progeny.

The GOPe intentionally lost the House and Senate and did nothing to Stop the Steal. Now Trump is gone and they're all back on The DC Gravy Train.

That's not incompetence. That's treason.

Posted by: Sharkman at February 19, 2021 02:38 PM (0bGEp)

260 Now church shuts down for the slightest of causes.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 19, 2021 02:33 PM (KZzs

I had to laugh. My former synagogue has not conducted services at all, BUT the rent paying nursery school is open for business in the building.

Posted by: CN at February 19, 2021 02:38 PM (ONvIw)

261 That "be less white" litany has nothing to do with whiteness or lack thereof, its simply a command to be submissive, surrender, and obey.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 19, 2021 02:38 PM (KZzsI)

262 Yep. Playing by the rules is for suckers now. Those are the left's rules, and they've imposed them on us by force and cheating. So since we now have to play by their rules, the first rule is cheat, cheat, cheat at every opportunity. Then cheat some more.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at February 19, 2021 02:09 PM (k4dH2)

---------------

Of course, the other option is to have a military bigger than theirs and that option is not on offer.

The threat of mutually assured destruction, or MAD, won us the Cold War so let's consider it.

Posted by: President Select Decaf at February 19, 2021 02:38 PM (hpVf/)

263 Reminds me of a great line by the Preacher in Firefly: "The Bible says thou shall not kill.... but is somewhat nebulous on the topic of kneecapping."
Posted by: I'm the Honey Badger, BITCH! at February 19, 2021 02:37 PM (EkO2d)

And even that is actually a bad translation.

It's not thou shall not kill.
It's thou shall not commit murder.

Two totally different things.

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 19, 2021 02:38 PM (oHd/0)

264 Kind of a moot point, isn't it?

I hear an awful lot of talk from "Conservatives" about fighting fair or not fighting fair, yet strangely I never seem to see any meaningful fighting of any sort, while the Left marches through our nation effectively unopposed.

Posted by: BunnyFooFoo at February 19, 2021 02:38 PM (0Uf+z)

265 If Coke wants me to be less white, perhaps I should periodically jump into a vat of coke.

For that period, my skin will look less white.
Posted by: Axeman at February 19, 2021 02:35 PM (FYe3W)

But, blackface is BAD now, right?

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at February 19, 2021 02:38 PM (Zz0t1)

266 But if I wear black face or appropriate someone else's culture, I'm blacklisted.

OK then.
Posted by: Romeo13

Unless you're the governor of Virginia, or any Dem really.

Posted by: SFGoth at February 19, 2021 02:38 PM (KAi1n)

267 RE: herd immunity, there is no way that the Deep State/ Globalists are going to let this go. There will be another "strain" of the "virus" that is "vaccine resistant" so we will not be able to go back to normal until it is defeated. It will NEVER be defeated. Have we defeated the common cold? How about the flu?

/this is our new life folks.

Posted by: shibumi at February 19, 2021 02:38 PM (tjZg/)

268 I'm still convinced a break up is the only answer. We on the right would accepted a federal system allowing free states to make their own mistakes. Honestly I'm past that now. There will be no peaceful break. Fuck you war! Is becoming the only option. All of the institutions have gone native. Name one that has not. Just one. Our union is broken. I'm glad I'm old. My time is drawing to the end. I don't want violence but the left has forced our hand.

Posted by: USNtakim deplorable still. at February 19, 2021 02:39 PM (0OmEj)

269 Posted by: Sharkman at February 19, 2021 02:38 PM (0bGEp)

I cannot find fault anywhere in that.

Posted by: Inogame at February 19, 2021 02:39 PM (EILju)

270 My former synagogue has not conducted services at all, BUT the rent paying nursery school is open for business in the building.

Well, I mean, they are Jews. But yeah I agree, its horrible what is taking place now.

Our power was out over the weekend across Salem.

Every church I know of canceled services because... apparently God cannot be worshiped without electricity?

Our ancestors were burned for entertainment to light up lions tearing other Christians apart, and this is what my generation offers up.

We deserve what we're getting.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 19, 2021 02:39 PM (KZzsI)

271 Those who were opposed to the Bill of Rights at the time said as much, that they would be used by the central government as a way for the camel to stick it's nose in the State's tents. They were proven correct. The notion of Incorporation - that the Federal Government would guarantee individual rights in a Republic - has done far, far more harm than good. It renders the notion of a Republic pretty much dead.
Posted by: Nutbush City Limits at February 19, 2021 02:35 PM (ipFbG)
---
Yup. The Antifederalists were quite a bit more on the nose. They opposed the Supreme Court and the federalists dismissed it as the "smallest branch".

However, Jay made a statement in the Federalists that should not be ignored. IF the SC should become this super-legislature that the Antifeds warned about, it would prove that the Court does not need to be.

It invalidates the entire purpose of the Court. However, it ignores that once the Court is corrupted into powerful offices, they have power to prevent an overrun on their seat of power.

Posted by: Axeman at February 19, 2021 02:39 PM (FYe3W)

272 I drink RC Cola. Cheaper and tastes better.

Plus you never see an RC Cola commercial. I like that for some reason.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 19, 2021 02:31 PM (R/m4+)
With you all the way.
RC tastes great and it costs less.

Still, RC may have a 'whiteness' factor...need to check the Kancel Kulture list.

Posted by: Voter theater. at February 19, 2021 02:39 PM (BjMKA)

273 I hear an awful lot of talk from "Conservatives" about fighting fair or not fighting fair, yet strangely I never seem to see any meaningful fighting of any sort, while the Left marches through our nation effectively unopposed.

We have husbands, wives, children and our church.

They have leftism.

Posted by: shibumi at February 19, 2021 02:40 PM (tjZg/)

274 ================
Reminds me of a great line by the Preacher in Firefly: "The Bible says thou shall not kill.... but is somewhat nebulous on the topic of kneecapping."
Posted by: I'm the Honey Badger, BITCH! at February 19, 2021 02:37 PM (EkO2d)

Truth be told, thou shall not commit murder.

Killing is a different story. God knows that sometimes, killing is justified and necessary to preserve freedom.

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at February 19, 2021 02:40 PM (Zz0t1)

275 Thou Shall Not Kill is actually Thou Shall Not Murder

Posted by: C 137 at February 19, 2021 02:40 PM (2DOZq)

276 Thomas More said don't cut down all of the laws to pursue Satan, because what will happen when you need the protection of the law?

Conservatives already are being denied the protection of the law.

Posted by: Broseidon at February 19, 2021 02:40 PM (icI8A)

277 And even that is actually a bad translation.

Yeah well, what do you want, it was written by a sexually harassing pedo.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 19, 2021 02:40 PM (KZzsI)

278 I don't agree with only doing to your opponent what he does to you. It's a losing strategy because it means he sets the rules of engagement.

You want to win, you have to color outside the lines. Trump demonstrated this at times, and oddly enough so did the Uniparty in the last election and even to this very minute.

Posted by: ... at February 19, 2021 02:40 PM (DnmCs)

279 im quite sure the founding fathers had to step out of their moral comfort zone on more than one occasion

Posted by: sound awake at February 19, 2021 02:40 PM (8YNUb)

280 Kind of a moot point, isn't it?

I hear an awful lot of talk from "Conservatives" about fighting fair or not fighting fair, yet strangely I never seem to see any meaningful fighting of any sort, while the Left marches through our nation effectively unopposed.
Posted by: BunnyFooFoo at February 19, 2021 02:38 PM (0Uf+z)

You're not wrong.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 19, 2021 02:41 PM (yQpMk)

281 I often get the feel that a certain few of the people who regularly post
here do so in order to encourage inactivity and passivity.

They fear chaos, and crave order. Not freedom - order. That's really just about all you have to understand about them. They've always got a long explanation - sometimes paragraphs - about how everything is aligned such that the perfect action is precisely no action at all. It's all just because they want everything to stay ordered. They'll accept tyranny - but not the slightest bit of chaos.

Posted by: Nutbush City Limits at February 19, 2021 02:41 PM (ipFbG)

282 Personally, this "principles" question no longer interests me, at least not at the present. Our constitutional rights are not being upheld, we have an illegitimate government in Washington, and it has pledged itself to crushing out our liberties in all other areas. Any moral obligations we once had towards it, and those who enforce its will, do not apply anymore.

How to effectively restore that constitutional liberty is the only question worth asking.

Posted by: Dr. T at February 19, 2021 02:41 PM (A1UwY)

283 268 I'm still convinced a break up is the only answer. We on the right would accepted a federal system allowing free states to make their own mistakes. Honestly I'm past that now. There will be no peaceful break. Fuck you war! Is becoming the only option. All of the institutions have gone native. Name one that has not. Just one. Our union is broken. I'm glad I'm old. My time is drawing to the end. I don't want violence but the left has forced our hand.
Posted by: USNtakim deplorable still. at February 19, 2021 02:39 PM (0OmEj)

I'm open to that as well, and would even move everything to go, but the problem is we have an enemy that will never be satiated. Any concession will be accepted and they will come for more.

Posted by: Inogame at February 19, 2021 02:41 PM (EILju)

284
But, blackface is BAD now, right?
Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at February 19, 2021 02:38 PM (Zz0t1)
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Only if you don't get caught.

Posted by: Rachel Dolezel and Sean King at February 19, 2021 02:41 PM (FYe3W)

285 Redneck Cola is great.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at February 19, 2021 02:41 PM (89T5c)

286 I used to have that one from the old demotivation poster website on my screen saver at work back when you could actually control those settings yourself.
Posted by: banana Dream at February 19, 2021 02:37 PM

The best is the one they have that spoofs "Keep Calm and Carry On":
Keep Calm
(Picture of lion catching zebra)
We'll Get to the Carrion Part in a Moment

Posted by: Chuck C at February 19, 2021 02:41 PM (awtm/)

287
Still, RC may have a 'whiteness' factor...need to check the Kancel Kulture list.
Posted by: Voter theater. at February 19, 2021 02:39 PM (BjMKA)

It's racist.

RC = Righteous Color Cola: Only for whites.

- Coca Cola Board of Color Enforcement

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at February 19, 2021 02:41 PM (Zz0t1)

288 For some reason, the historical parallel that comes to my mind at the moment is the Spanish Inquisition.

I didn't expect that...

Posted by: Grapefruit LaCroix at February 19, 2021 02:41 PM (JVQFp)

289 249 I often get the feel that a certain few of the people who regularly post here do so in order to encourage inactivity and passivity. It is possible, necessary, to battle evil without becoming evil, but if your such a Simon-pure screecher that having shit splatter on you is reason enough top avoid action, then you are of no use to anyone but yourself.
Posted by: No Longer Amused at February 19, 2021 02:36 PM (vTW2/)

Anybody who has ever gutted a moose learns that squeamishness won't fill the freezer.

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at February 19, 2021 02:42 PM (qQnCr)

290 Psh, "Royal Crown" cola? Sounds like someone is a monarchist.

Posted by: Broseidon at February 19, 2021 02:42 PM (icI8A)

291 >>> 177 CocaCola employee training insists you "Try to be less white."
Posted by: bonhomme at February 19, 2021 02:26 PM (YYlyE)

So,... artificial tan. Wait, Rachel Dolezal had it right all along!

Posted by: banana Dream at February 19, 2021 02:42 PM (gTVTz)

292
Truth be told, thou shall not commit murder.

Killing is a different story. God knows that sometimes, killing is justified and necessary to preserve freedom.
Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at February 19, 2021 02:40 PM (Zz0t1)

275 Thou Shall Not Kill is actually Thou Shall Not Murder
Posted by: C 137 at February 19, 2021 02:40 PM (2DOZq)

Boom.....

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at February 19, 2021 02:42 PM (Zz0t1)

293 Of course, the other option is to have a military bigger than theirs and that option is not on offer.

The threat of mutually assured destruction, or MAD, won us the Cold War so let's consider it.

Posted by: President Select Decaf at February 19, 2021 02:38 PM (hpVf/)

I don't know how big their "military" actually is. I don't know a lot of young men who would have a lot of enthusiasm about bearing arms against those with whom they identify more than with their senior leaders. I think mutiny is not out of the question under those circumstances.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at February 19, 2021 02:42 PM (xlMG4)

294 That "be less white" litany has nothing to do with whiteness or lack thereof, its simply a command to be submissive, surrender, and obey.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 19, 2021 02:38 PM (KZzsI)

If you're white.

Posted by: ... at February 19, 2021 02:42 PM (DnmCs)

295 I often get the feel that a certain few of the people who regularly post here do so in order to encourage inactivity and passivity.

I hope that I am not among that number in your mind. I do not post here to stop others, but only to think "out loud" among friends. I honestly don't know what the proper course is to take.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 19, 2021 02:42 PM (KZzsI)

296 But also you must not become lost in corruption. You must not become what you fight against. Never believe the instruments of utter darkness can be used for good ends in righteous hands - that's the delusion that swallowed the Left whole.

This is where I disagree wholeheartedly BT. This is a life and death struggle. Hope in discourse and the political process is foolhardy and will only leave us in a deeper grave. I will eschew the label conservative, and just say our side. We have operated from a foundation of moral values. The enemy has no moral foundation whatsoever. They operate on strategy and a position of convenience. They implement their strategy with action. We respond in reaction. From the perspective of self defense this can be a decided disadvantage. It is time to suspend any consideration of the morality of our actions. We must wrest the active position from our enemy and put them on their heels. IMO, this will require doing things which a normal reasoned person will find reprehensible.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * inconspicuous and armed at February 19, 2021 02:42 PM (W/Hq4)

297 And bad Bee for making the onions rain on my face:

https://tinyurl.com/coya8jdw

Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at February 19, 2021 02:32 PM (GbPPJ)

I didn't think I had any tears left, I was wrong.

Posted by: spypeach at February 19, 2021 02:42 PM (Up/Jb)

298 Oh, and for those who haven't decoded the message on their special rings yet...

Apparently, we're suppose to be attacking the Capital again on March 4th. At least that's what Yahoo News says. It will be a grand showdown of armed Trump supporters versus the National Guard.

Posted by: jwest at February 19, 2021 02:42 PM (/BlEx)

299 I didn't expect that...
Posted by: Grapefruit LaCroix at February 19, 2021 02:41 PM (JVQFp)

No one ever does. Bring on the comfy chair.

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at February 19, 2021 02:42 PM (qQnCr)

300 However, it ignores that once the Court is corrupted into powerful offices, they have power to prevent an overrun on their seat of power.
Posted by: Axeman

Only referent power; no divisions under Roberts's command.

Posted by: SFGoth at February 19, 2021 02:43 PM (KAi1n)

301 So, to sharpen the point.
When the emperor said you had to burn a pinch of incense to the gods and the Christians refused, were they failing to obey the head of the government?

Yup. Those martyrs are recognized saints.

Nero, Hitler. You can name others. You can't get out of trouble on judgment day by saying "I was ordered to do it" or it was "the law of the land".

Posted by: Screw that noise - Wake Up at February 19, 2021 02:43 PM (QFpta)

302 Now I want a Moonpie.

Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at February 19, 2021 02:43 PM (GbPPJ)

303 273 We have husbands, wives, children and our church.

Not for long we won't, if things continue in this direction.

Posted by: BunnyFooFoo at February 19, 2021 02:43 PM (0Uf+z)

304 70 Yeah, I don't know. Something seems wrong here.
Posted by: grammie winger at February 19, 2021 02:06 PM (45fpk)

Plenty, too long to explain., but mainly -Conservative principles make you stronger; cheating vs tackling the laws that allow cheating. Dems cheat , conserves apply brains and win. Rush, MHRIP, always pronounced for the battle of ideas. If you cannot fortify your ideas, and resort to what the left does, will lose in the end.
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Playing dirty isn't cheating, especially if playing dirty has been declared the new normal. Playing dirty means tossing aside the rulebook to win. Rush was for the battle of ideas, yes, but he also and frequently demanded that the Right, being in the right, should actually stand up for those principles and DO something about perpetuating them! The GOPe shirked their duty when there was time to do it peacefully, above board. The rest of us have been left with little to no peaceful recourse. If cheating, sabotage, and otherwise playing by Lewinsky Rules saves the Republic, then let it be so! Anything less brings on the time of the gun and the torch, when the talk of cheating and principled conduct will be silenced.

Posted by: exdem13 at February 19, 2021 02:43 PM (W+kMI)

305 Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at February 19, 2021 02:42 PM (Zz0t1)

We were both beaten to it by Romeo13

Posted by: C 137 at February 19, 2021 02:43 PM (2DOZq)

306 208 I drink RC Cola. Cheaper and tastes better.

Plus you never see an RC Cola commercial. I like that for some reason.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 19, 2021 02:31 PM (R/m4+)

Diet Rite tastes far better than all of the aspartame-laden crap that's out there. I can't recall the last time I saw an RC commercial but I do have the, "Me and My RC!" jingle seared, seared into my memory.

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at February 19, 2021 02:44 PM (DTX3h)

307 Psh, "Royal Crown" cola? Sounds like someone is a monarchist.

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Eat me.

Posted by: Moon Pie at February 19, 2021 02:44 PM (jvt6t)

308 Continued from 226

PART V

Donald Trump cheats on his wives. He does this because he's rich and horny and doesn't GAF. I would prefer that adultery were a disqualification for the Presidency. But we had this debate at least twice in the 1990's (1992 with Gennifer Flowers and 1998 with Monica) and "Adultery is Disqualifying" lost the argument both times. *I* lost the argument both times. The Democrats excused Bill Clinton. Those are the rules now: "New Rules," as we say.

There are criticisms of Trump that will land with me, but "he cheats on his wife" doesn't. Not ever. I never entertained the argument for a second. The Democrats had their chance to keep womanizers out of the Oval Office and they declined.

If the Democrats want to fix this, well, they'll need to do something concrete. They'll need to disqualify one of their own presidential candidates - someone strong, not a forgettable Martin O'Malley type - for adultery. Once they establish that they're willing to co-operate, then we can talk about disqualifying Republicans for adultery.

PART VI (the last, I hope) coming up...

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at February 19, 2021 02:44 PM (+1A9H)

309 We're where we're at by trying to be "fair". Equal was twisted into meaning "Equal outcome".

From that was derived all that followed as each victim group was acknowledged as having been dealt with unfairly.

By doing so the dominant civilization was torn down with nothing put in it's place. And now they want to destroy an entire race of people who built most of that civilization. Or at least envisioned it and spent all there money and power to achieve it.

None of those clamoring for equality or fairness ever gave it to their enemies. That's even if they achieved it in the first place. America is a unique occurrence in world history and as a result those who built it must be destroyed or all others will feel and be the lesser as they were not the ones to achieve this.

If it weren't so tragic it would amusing. I wish that those on the left who cry out for hate against white people would take a close look into the mirror cause they're next.

Posted by: jakee308.com at February 19, 2021 02:44 PM (LyEz9)

310 "Be less white?"

Sounds like some corporate HR department doesn't want to judge people by the content of their character...

Posted by: Grapefruit LaCroix at February 19, 2021 02:44 PM (JVQFp)

311 I always thought that when it finally comes to blows, the politicians should be the first to go.

I'm coming around to the idea that it's the media that needs to go first, then the politicians, and then the dolts in the education system that created two generations of woke scolds.
Posted by: Grapefruit LaCroix at February 19, 2021 02:12 PM (JVQFp)

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Then we are on the same page.

Posted by: President Select Decaf at February 19, 2021 02:44 PM (hpVf/)

312 It will be a grand showdown of armed Trump supporters versus the National Guard.

I wonder how they'd react if 500,000 Trump supporters actually showed up then.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 19, 2021 02:45 PM (KZzsI)

313 268 I'm still convinced a break up is the only answer. We on the right would accepted a federal system allowing free states to make their own mistakes. Honestly I'm past that now. There will be no peaceful break. Fuck you war! Is becoming the only option. All of the institutions have gone native. Name one that has not. Just one. Our union is broken. I'm glad I'm old. My time is drawing to the end. I don't want violence but the left has forced our hand.
Posted by: USNtakim deplorable still. at February 19, 2021 02:39 PM (0OmEj)

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Nobody will do anything.

My estimation it would be ridiculously easy to take out a few of the tyrants, but nobody wants to part with their family or worldly goods.

Posted by: MAGA (stop the steal link in this nic) at February 19, 2021 02:45 PM (cMXNt)

314 Greetings:

One of my high school basketball coached used to concluded laying out his game plan by saying, "other than that, our opposition will determine out tactics."

Posted by: 11B40 at February 19, 2021 02:45 PM (evgyj)

315 My former synagogue has not conducted services at all, BUT the rent paying nursery school is open for business in the building.

That doesn't make sense, CN. What was their rationale for that, aside from the fact that they needed the rent money?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 19, 2021 02:45 PM (VP4Cd)

316 This is a really stupid time to be alive.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at February 19, 2021 02:45 PM (dNzKv)

317 We have husbands, wives, children and our church.

And they don't want us to have any of those. Literally every single part of that statement is under direct and constant attack.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 19, 2021 02:46 PM (KZzsI)

318 The notion of Incorporation - that the Federal Government would guarantee individual rights in a Republic

Incorporation didn't happen because of some generic notion about the Bill of Rights. It happened because (a) we passed a specific constitutional amendment, the 14th, extending Constitutional protection, including the Bill of Rights, to the States; and (b) the Supreme Court refused to acknowledge the plain meaning of the first part of the 14th amendment, and so had to walk it back over the decades piecemeal.

Don't like it, repeal the 14th. It's not a notion, it's a specific amendment.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at February 19, 2021 02:46 PM (2lndx)

319 War is a terrible thing. And yet, at least through WWII we were able to fight wars to successful conclusion and only then "go back to normal".

We didn't refuse to bomb German cities or sink Japanese ships because our morals say that during peace time such things are immoral.

Posted by: Obligatory at February 19, 2021 02:46 PM (qlFIA)

320 Is there a link to the wonderful Coca Cola training manual?

Posted by: Chuck C at February 19, 2021 02:46 PM (awtm/)

321 If someone is sitting on their paid-off home without a ton a cash in reserve, they should mortgage the shit out of it at 2%. Anyone who doesn't think there is a crash coming is too stupid to save.
Posted by: jwest at February 19, 2021 02:34 PM (/BlEx)

Some smart type folks think that the next true crash will involve the dollar losing big time.
A mattress full of cash will be of little value in that scenario.
Of course, there's other things to invest in, but you did say cash reserves.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at February 19, 2021 02:46 PM (z79tQ)

322 I pretty much associate being white with drinking Coca Cola. I guess I'll have to go Pepsi to be more diverse.

Posted by: Puddin Head at February 19, 2021 02:47 PM (T1Dne)

323 310 "be less white?"

"If I could have everyone's attention? During the rioting and looting, if we could leave the Starbucks alone, that would be great."

Posted by: Less White Terrorist at February 19, 2021 02:47 PM (jvt6t)

324 Never forget that the mighty US Navy has to take a SJW pledge now.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at February 19, 2021 02:47 PM (dNzKv)

325 I wonder how they'd react if 500,000 Trump supporters actually showed up then.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 19, 2021 02:45 PM (KZzsI)

Armed?

Posted by: MAC SOG'''' at February 19, 2021 02:47 PM (P4Pk9)

326 CocaCola employee training insists you "Try to be less white."

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That's so incredibly racist, it's unbelievable. Let's do "try to be less black." Yes, let's do that.

Posted by: Lady in Black - GODSPEED Rush Limbaugh at February 19, 2021 02:47 PM (O+I8R)

327 Being destroyed while unilaterally adhering to rules that your opponents do not was not, is not, and never will be a "conservative value", nor is it a moral or ethical thing to do.

It's simply a deliberately crafted piece of quisling cuck propaganda.

With all of this talk about "abolishing whiteness", the left has made their intentions clear. This isn't just a political fight; a war of annihilation is coming.

Posted by: someguy at February 19, 2021 02:47 PM (yVPr3)

328 I hope that I am not among that number in your mind. I do not post here to stop others, but only to think "out loud" among friends. I honestly don't know what the proper course is to take.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 19, 2021 02:42 PM (KZzsI)
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#MeToo.

But I don't care how others class me. If they can't engage my argument, I don't care.

The French got the Jacobins being consumed by anti-nobile urges and the answer was Napolean and the Napoleonic conquests, not a return to normal.

Posted by: Axeman at February 19, 2021 02:47 PM (FYe3W)

329 @281 Exactly. Chaos scares people to no end. We've got the child-like notion that everything is stable and predictable. It isn't. Do you think George Washington thought that victory was inevitable? It was the result of a sustained effort on the part of a very few.

Posted by: No Longer Amused at February 19, 2021 02:47 PM (vTW2/)

330 310 "Be less white?"

Sounds like some corporate HR department doesn't want to judge people by the content of their character...
Posted by: Grapefruit LaCroix at February 19, 2021 02:44 PM (JVQFp)

Okay, if we are going full-racist, then I guess we should cross the Mexico border illegally, claim our foothold in the country, and demand that the government pay our mortgage, food bills, medical bills, and private school tuition. How's that for "less white?"

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at February 19, 2021 02:47 PM (qQnCr)

331 Folks could spread the word that Coca Cola is trying to harm black and brown folks by filling them up with sugar/HFCS, phosphoric acid, and whatever other sh!t is in it. It can't be that hard, considering it's *true*. If Coca Cola isn't trying to sicken BIPOCs, then why do they keep marketing that sh!t to them? Right???

Posted by: SFGoth at February 19, 2021 02:47 PM (KAi1n)

332
I'm coming around to the idea that it's the media that needs to go first, then the politicians, and then the dolts in the education system that created two generations of woke scolds.

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Teachers first. They've been Item A1 on The List for me since I was a kid.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at February 19, 2021 02:47 PM (0WKYs)

333 298 Oh, and for those who haven't decoded the message on their special rings yet...

Apparently, we're suppose to be attacking the Capital again on March 4th. At least that's what Yahoo News says. It will be a grand showdown of armed Trump supporters versus the National Guard.
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Yahoo News doesn't know their ass from their mouth. Like we'd ever comply with a deadline THEY know about! The Harris administration has given us the timeline. The fences and the impressed Guardsmen will all be gone this autumn. But there are other targets outside the Beltway that can hurt them more than a symbolic attack on buildings and people. We are in need of results, not symbolic gestures.

Posted by: exdem13 at February 19, 2021 02:48 PM (W+kMI)

334 This is a really stupid time to be alive.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at February 19, 2021 02:45 PM (dNzKv)

So were the dark ages

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 19, 2021 02:48 PM (tsZQ+)

335 At what point is it acceptable to revolt against authorities? As a Christian, we believe that God has placed all authorities over us -- even the bad ones -- and told us that we must submit to them

Christopher Taylor
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Really? Can you point me to this, especially those last five words? I think I must be blissfully unaware.
Posted by: ... at February 19, 2021 02:12 PM (DnmCs)

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I also thought that we were meant to resist the oppressors and subvert them. Early Christians were thrown to the lions because they were powerless. They fought until they were in a position to overthrow the evil empire.

Posted by: President Select Decaf at February 19, 2021 02:48 PM (hpVf/)

336
We were both beaten to it by Romeo13
Posted by: C 137 at February 19, 2021 02:43 PM (2DOZq)

Well, SCREW HIM!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at February 19, 2021 02:48 PM (Zz0t1)

337 Plenty, too long to explain., but mainly -Conservative principles make
you stronger; cheating vs tackling the laws that allow cheating.

You don't win because you were right. You're proven right because you won. Conservatives - and full disclosure, I'm not one - better decide, and quickly, if they want to win, or if they want to keep their long held world views. Because they can't do both.

Posted by: Nutbush City Limits at February 19, 2021 02:48 PM (ipFbG)

338 Trump: I've never seen a thin person drinking Diet Coke

Posted by: ... at February 19, 2021 02:48 PM (DnmCs)

339 I wonder who died and made Coca-Cola god? How dare they tell me to "be" any way other than what I am. Homey don't play dat shit.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Psychos Rule! No, really. They're in charge now. at February 19, 2021 02:48 PM (HaL55)

340 We didn't refuse to bomb German cities or sink Japanese ships because our morals say that during peace time such things are immoral.
Posted by: Obligatory at February 19, 2021 02:46 PM (qlFIA)

Our Cause is Great and Just!
Our tactics...? whistling past the graveyard noises

Posted by: OneEyedJack at February 19, 2021 02:48 PM (z79tQ)

341 324 Never forget that the mighty US Navy has to take a SJW pledge now.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at February 19, 2021 02:47 PM (dNzKv)

Come on, you don't HAVE to! Its like the Women on Combatants thing.

If you don't take the pledge, you will just never be promoted again. And as its up or out? No promotion eventually leads to you being forced out.

But, you don't HAVE to. /spit

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 19, 2021 02:49 PM (oHd/0)

342 Playing dirty isn't cheating, especially if playing dirty has been declared the new normal. Playing dirty means tossing aside the rulebook to win. Rush was for the battle of ideas, yes, but he also and frequently demanded that the Right, being in the right, should actually stand up for those principles and DO something about perpetuating them! The GOPe shirked their duty when there was time to do it peacefully, above board. The rest of us have been left with little to no peaceful recourse. If cheating, sabotage, and otherwise playing by Lewinsky Rules saves the Republic, then let it be so! Anything less brings on the time of the gun and the torch, when the talk of cheating and principled conduct will be silenced.
Posted by: exdem13 at February 19, 2021 02:43 PM (W+kMI)

This notion of rules is only a thing when your enemy recognizes there are rules. A rule stops being a thing when it handcuffs one side in a way they cannot win.

Posted by: Inogame at February 19, 2021 02:49 PM (EILju)

343 "strangely I never seem to see any meaningful fighting of any sort, while
the Left marches through our nation effectively unopposed."

the key is they already marched through our institutions, so now Kyle Rittenhouse gets heavy prosecution for not letting the thugs murder him. They have oligarchs protecting their street violence. So "violence" may not be the best strategy on our part. We (the majority) do need to organize ... but maybe other methods will work ... boycotts of Woke Corps? ... idk, maybe it has to get hotter than that, but action is needed, and that might mean forming groups.

Posted by: illiniwek at February 19, 2021 02:49 PM (Cus5s)

344 I wonder how they'd react if 500,000 Trump supporters actually showed up then.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 19, 2021 02:45 PM (KZzsI)
Winter Palace, 1905. There was a time-honored Russian tradition of petitioning the Tsar for redress of grievances. The Tsar wasn't even there, but a large crowd gathered. The Palace Guard overreacted and killed thousands of them. It was the outcome that the revolutionaries were hoping for.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at February 19, 2021 02:49 PM (xlMG4)

345 324 Never forget that the mighty US Navy has to take a SJW pledge now.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at February 19, 2021 02:47 PM (dNzKv)

What is not being publicized is that not many are signing it.

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at February 19, 2021 02:49 PM (qQnCr)

346 Man, I don't care how ridiculous Woka-Cola gets in their employee training sessions. I'll never drink that vile Pepsi shit. I don't know what my line in the sand is with them, but whatever it is, we haven't reached it yet.

Posted by: Grapefruit LaCroix at February 19, 2021 02:49 PM (JVQFp)

347 I got some Little Debbie Oatmeal Cream cookies the other day. Takes me back to my youth.

Posted by: Puddin Head at February 19, 2021 02:49 PM (T1Dne)

348 We have husbands, wives, children and our church.

You have the collective society and government. What more do you need. Not everyone can have a husband or wife or children or a church. You are being unreasonable expecting to just have those things yourselves.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at February 19, 2021 02:49 PM (dNzKv)

349 Justice being taken away, then, what are kingdoms but great robberies? For what are robberies themselves, but little kingdoms? The band itself is made up of men; it is ruled by the authority of a prince, it is knit together by the pact of the confederacy; the booty is divided by the law agreed on. If, by the admittance of abandoned men, this evil increases to such a degree that it holds places, fixes abodes, takes possession of cities, and subdues peoples, it assumes the more plainly the name of a kingdom, because the reality is now manifestly conferred on it, not by the removal of covetousness, but by the addition of impunity. Indeed, that was an apt and true reply which was given to Alexander the Great by a pirate who had been seized. For when that king had asked the man what he meant by keeping hostile possession of the sea, he answered with bold pride, 'What thou meanest by seizing the whole earth; but because I do it with a petty ship, I am called a robber, whilst thou who dost it with a great fleet art styled emperor'.

- St. Augustine

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is Already Dead at February 19, 2021 02:49 PM (Zm+LZ)

350 Incorporation didn't happen because of some generic notion about the Bill of Rights. It happened because (a) we passed a specific constitutional amendment, the 14th, extending Constitutional protection, including the Bill of Rights, to the States; and (b) the Supreme Court refused to acknowledge the plain meaning of the first part of the 14th amendment, and so had to walk it back over the decades piecemeal.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at February 19, 2021 02:46 PM (2lndx)
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Read the 14th. The redress is Congress'. It didn't give it to some un-elected judges to assess.

Posted by: Axeman at February 19, 2021 02:49 PM (FYe3W)

351 "321 If someone is sitting on their paid-off home without a ton a cash in reserve, they should mortgage the shit out of it at 2%. Anyone who doesn't think there is a crash coming is too stupid to save.
Posted by: jwest at February 19, 2021 02:34 PM (/BlEx)

Some smart type folks think that the next true crash will involve the dollar losing big time.
A mattress full of cash will be of little value in that scenario.
Of course, there's other things to invest in, but you did say cash reserves.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at February 19, 2021 02:46 PM (z79tQ)"

Cash will always be needed at the last minute for things you forgot. Otherwise... durable goods, plan B's, and self-sufficiency.

I can't think of another culture, historically, that has had more advance warning of what is coming. Use it.

Posted by: someguy at February 19, 2021 02:49 PM (yVPr3)

352
I hope that I am not among that number in your mind. I do not post here to stop others, but only to think "out loud" among friends. I honestly don't know what the proper course is to take.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 19, 2021 02:42 PM (KZzsI)

Me neither. We could have and should have been more active and demanding when Trump was in office. We were pretty docile and got steam rolled by "our side". In January people rallied for election integrity and an honest investigation. They got called insurrectionists, and not only by the donks. The list of betrayals is long and wide, Bill Barr, Jeff Sessions, Rosenstein to Mitch, Mitt and Nikki, and to the state GOP legislatures who allowed their governors to dictate rules by executive fiat while they cowered or profited.

Posted by: CN at February 19, 2021 02:49 PM (ONvIw)

353 Never forget that the mighty US Navy has to take a SJW pledge now.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at February 19, 2021 02:47 PM (dNzKv)

Of course that is not true

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 19, 2021 02:49 PM (tsZQ+)

354 You don't win because you were right. You're proven right because you won.

The wokesters aren't right because they won this round. Victory is simply victory, it has no moral character.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 19, 2021 02:50 PM (KZzsI)

355 Everyone can have the collective. Everyone can have the government. Equality!

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at February 19, 2021 02:50 PM (dNzKv)

356 If Coke wants me to be someone else their pushing the wrong message.

Posted by: Skip at February 19, 2021 02:50 PM (Cxk7w)

357 Thou Shall Not Kill is actually Thou Shall Not Murder
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Of course it is. This is a fallen world. Its not like you can drink water and generate food from the sunlight falling on your green leaves.

It is literally impossible to survive life here without killing something on a regular basis. Even vegans kill plants.

There is too much evil in this world to not have to use on occasion lethal force to defend yourself, or third persons, or your country.

Posted by: Fallen world, you can't turn it into the garden of eden no matter what you do at February 19, 2021 02:50 PM (atHxC)

358 I always think I want a MoonPie, then I buy one and remember why I don't eat them very often. They're way to dry.

Posted by: lowandslow at February 19, 2021 02:50 PM (qH6FZ)

359 I'm more a bludgeon your enemy to fit your principles guy. These people aren't playing by Marcus of Queensbury rules.

Posted by: Marcus T at February 19, 2021 02:50 PM (X8f1/)

360
Until Coca-Cola makes water or beer, there's nothing I can boycott.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at February 19, 2021 02:50 PM (0WKYs)

361 199 Or they're just shit weasels and I'm giving people too much credit again.
Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at February 19, 2021 02:24 PM (GbPPJ)

Never ascribe evil intent when it is clear that incompetence is the motive.
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This is true, but it's also true that incompetence can do as much harm as evil intent. Neither the evil tyrant or the incompetent puppet or the bumbling blinkered idealist can be allowed to remain in a position of power where their actions can harm or endanger the Republic.

Posted by: exdem13 at February 19, 2021 02:51 PM (W+kMI)

362 What is not being publicized is that not many are signing it.
Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at February 19, 2021 02:49 PM (qQnCr)

They will fix that. It will be tied to something they want, like a performance report score.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at February 19, 2021 02:51 PM (dNzKv)

363 Conservatives - and full disclosure, I'm not one -
better decide, and quickly, if they want to win, or if they want to keep
their long held world views. Because they can't do both.

Posted by: Nutbush City Limits at February 19, 2021 02:48 PM (ipFbG)

I'm intrigued. Why would a non-conservative be concerned about winning strategies for conservatives?

Posted by: grammie winger at February 19, 2021 02:51 PM (45fpk)

364 336
We were both beaten to it by Romeo13
Posted by: C 137 at February 19, 2021 02:43 PM (2DOZq)

Well, SCREW HIM!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at February 19, 2021 02:48 PM (Zz0t1)

Uh, OK, I know I was in the Navy, but...

Sorry, Hetero.

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 19, 2021 02:51 PM (oHd/0)

365 So were the dark ages
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 19, 2021 02:48 PM (tsZQ+)

most people who lived thru the last "Dark Age" had no idea they were in a dark age

Posted by: REDACTED at February 19, 2021 02:51 PM (6iURM)

366 The only thing I know for sure that we need is for our nation to repent before God and turn to Him, away from our sin.

That is our only hope.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 19, 2021 02:51 PM (KZzsI)

367 I always think I want a MoonPie, then I buy one and remember why I don't eat them very often. They're way to dry.
Posted by: lowandslow at February 19, 2021 02:50 PM (qH6FZ)

That's why you have to have an RC Cola with them.

Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at February 19, 2021 02:51 PM (GbPPJ)

368 I got some Little Debbie Oatmeal Cream cookies the other day. Takes me back to my youth.

Awwww yisssss. This!

I had one last week. Total sugar-bomb. Totally worth it.

Posted by: Grapefruit LaCroix at February 19, 2021 02:52 PM (JVQFp)

369
Oh, and for those who haven't decoded the message on their special rings yet...

Apparently, we're suppose to be attacking the Capital again on March 4th. At least that's what Yahoo News says. It will be a grand showdown of armed Trump supporters versus the National Guard.

Posted by: jwest at February 19, 2021 02:42 PM

we should build trebuchets to lob cattle into the DC Green Zone

Posted by: AltonJackson at February 19, 2021 02:52 PM (wQ7Pg)

370 331 Folks could spread the word that Coca Cola is trying to harm black and brown folks by filling them up with sugar/HFCS, phosphoric acid, and whatever other sh!t is in it. It can't be that hard, considering it's *true*. If Coca Cola isn't trying to sicken BIPOCs, then why do they keep marketing that sh!t to them? Right???
Posted by: SFGoth at February 19, 2021 02:47 PM (KAi1n)

Anybody who regularly drinks pop of any kind has a death wish. That shit is toxic.

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at February 19, 2021 02:52 PM (qQnCr)

371 That's not incompetence. That's treason.

Posted by: Sharkman at February 19, 2021 02:38 PM (0bGEp)

Also well said. Horde is on fire today.

Posted by: 4 at February 19, 2021 02:52 PM (KnJdm)

372 Crown Royal and Royal Crown seems like it would work. R2C2.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 19, 2021 02:52 PM (r+sAi)

373 the key is they already marched through our institutions, so now Kyle Rittenhouse gets heavy prosecution for not letting the thugs murder him. They have oligarchs protecting their street violence. So "violence" may not be the best strategy on our part. We (the majority) do need to organize ... but maybe other methods will work ... boycotts of Woke Corps? ... idk, maybe it has to get hotter than that, but action is needed, and that might mean forming groups.
Posted by: illiniwek at February 19, 2021 02:49 PM (Cus5s)

The system is already well decayed, we can help accelerate it's collapse. Keep your locality clean and tax the resources of the federal government. The world has never lacked for ambitious men, all that needs to happen is the creation of opportunities, though I can't say that the aftermath will be pleasant.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is Already Dead at February 19, 2021 02:52 PM (Zm+LZ)

374
Cash will always be needed at the last minute for things you forgot.
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*chuckles*

Posted by: ghosts of the weimar republic at February 19, 2021 02:52 PM (atHxC)

375 well, it's pretty clear the left wants to kill. it's what they do.

also, it's clear there's no upside to losing for the sake of losing. People who think it's ok to give up the fight have surrendered 30 years of American history so far and have pretty much ended our American experiment for future generations, so...yeah.

Posted by: Tim Riggins at February 19, 2021 02:52 PM (5Bw0D)

376 we should build trebuchets to lob cattle into the DC Green Zone
Posted by: AltonJackson at February 19, 2021 02:52 PM (wQ7Pg)

Fetch-a la vache!

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at February 19, 2021 02:52 PM (qQnCr)

377 If you want to beat the left, you have to become the left.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at February 19, 2021 02:53 PM (dNzKv)

378 Read the 14th. The redress is Congress'. It didn't give it to some un-elected judges to assess.

If you want to argue against Marbury v. Madison, that's an entirely different subject. But incorporation is still based in a specific amendment and not some generic notion taken from the Bill of Rights.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at February 19, 2021 02:53 PM (2lndx)

379 "If I could have everyone's attention? During the rioting and looting, if we could leave the Starbucks alone, that would be great."
Posted by: Less White Terrorist at February 19, 2021 02:47 PM (jvt6t)

*rips off scooby villain mask*

*finds More White Karen*

Ugh

Posted by: Andy Fa at February 19, 2021 02:53 PM (z79tQ)

380 @seanmdav

Never forget that the griftercons defaming Rush Limbaugh as having no principles deliberately colluded with and got paid by Facebook to run fake fact-checks in order to deplatform pro-lifers and boost Biden in 2020. Something something muh principles.

NeverTrump Website The Dispatch Colludes With Big Tech To Censor SBA List's Pro-Life Ads

https://tinyurl.com/y88lu5eu

Posted by: Tami at February 19, 2021 02:53 PM (cF8AT)

381 As a Christian, we believe that God has placed all authorities over us -- even the bad ones -- and told us that we must submit to them.

We do? I don't.

But I confess Christianity has no relevance to me in solving our current problems.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at February 19, 2021 02:09 PM (H5knJ)

How does that square with Christian Martyrs?? They did not try and overthrow the state, perhaps, but they did not submit to it either.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 19, 2021 02:53 PM (eoQWY)

382
With all of this talk about "abolishing whiteness", the left has made their intentions clear. This isn't just a political fight; a war of annihilation is coming.
Posted by: someguy at February 19, 2021 02:47 PM (yVPr3)

And this is very scary and will engulf Europe as well (what else was the muslim migration for). This is an exceptionally sad and frightening time as I watch people who know better turn into what they professed to despise, and people who deny it is happening at all.

Posted by: CN at February 19, 2021 02:53 PM (ONvIw)

383 358 I always think I want a MoonPie, then I buy one and remember why I don't eat them very often. They're way to dry.
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The original Moonpie only had two chocolate cookies. The new ones have three. I think that's why they seem too dry. The Old Ways Are Best.

Posted by: Puddin Head at February 19, 2021 02:53 PM (T1Dne)

384 Out Jacobin the Jacobians? Go on......

Posted by: Jak Sucio at February 19, 2021 02:53 PM (jvt6t)

385 There are three main causes of evil and destruction

1) Incompetence, and this is the biggest one. People are just bad at what they do and the results are awful
2) Stupidity/foolishness. People are so uneducated, or wrongly educated that they carry out horrible things thinking they are good and right
3) Straight up evil. This is the rarest, almost nobody does thing just because they are bad and want to do bad. Hitler thought he was doing the right thing.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 19, 2021 02:53 PM (KZzsI)

386 365 So were the dark ages
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 19, 2021 02:48 PM (tsZQ+)

most people who lived thru the last "Dark Age" had no idea they were in a dark age
Posted by: REDACTED at February 19, 2021 02:51 PM (6iURM)

There would've been some awareness relating to all the great architecture around them that had fallen to ruin. Many of the movements for the last 1000 years were looking back to Rome.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is Already Dead at February 19, 2021 02:53 PM (Zm+LZ)

387 Why would a non-conservative be concerned about winning strategies for conservatives?

Posted by: grammie winger at February 19, 2021 02:51 PM (45fpk)

Because your beliefs are being weaponized against you. Exhibit 1, Nevertrump, Inc.

Posted by: 4 at February 19, 2021 02:54 PM (KnJdm)

388 366 The only thing I know for sure that we need is for our nation to repent before God and turn to Him, away from our sin.

That is our only hope.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 19, 2021 02:51 PM (KZzsI)

This is the price of allowing the murder of over 50M babies in the womb. Pure and simple.

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at February 19, 2021 02:54 PM (qQnCr)

389 I'm coming around to the idea that it's the media that needs to go
first, then the politicians, and then the dolts in the education system
that created two generations of woke scolds.

So am I.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Psychos Rule! No, really. They're in charge now. at February 19, 2021 02:54 PM (HaL55)

390 I disagree.

It's not that we need to bend our principles...

...it's that we need to flat-out STATE THEM without flinching.

Stuff like this:

You're a man who thinks he's a woman? You're insane. Go to therapy and figure out what your father and mother did to you, or go away.

Posted by: RKae at February 19, 2021 02:54 PM (EsSk1)

391 Posted by: Fallen world, you can't turn it into the garden of eden no matter what you do at February 19, 2021 02:50 PM (atHxC)

But that simple change in wording, has been indoctrinated into the various churches, for a couple of generations now.

Its been used to demilitarize one of the major supports of Western Civilization, Christianity.

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 19, 2021 02:54 PM (oHd/0)

392 How does that square with Christian Martyrs?? They did not try and overthrow the state, perhaps, but they did not submit to it either.

Well, that's the flaw of responding to a tiny portion of a post.

I went into great detail above about rejecting and opposing Godless or sinful commands.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 19, 2021 02:54 PM (KZzsI)

393

Senate Democratic Majority Leader Charles Schumer reaffirmed his opposition to a bill seeking to advances the proposal to make Puerto Rico a U.S. state, and expressed his clear rejection of measures, such as Act 22, that turn the island into a tax haven for billionaires.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 19, 2021 02:55 PM (63Dwl)

394 But as I pointed out, that's subject to God's law: if they command you to disobey God, then their authority ends at that point.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 19, 2021 02:15 PM (KZzsI)

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Isn't the government injunction that killing the unborn and the newborn legal and desirable a dealbreaker for you?

Posted by: President Select Decaf at February 19, 2021 02:55 PM (hpVf/)

395 I got some Little Debbie Oatmeal Cream cookies the other day. Takes me back to my youth.

uhhhhh, little debbie is problematic because she is white and is appropriating traditional african sweets or something.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at February 19, 2021 02:55 PM (dNzKv)

396 If only people had paid attention when Bill Whittle sounded the alarm 12 years ago.

"We are in a Political Fight to the Death with People Who Will Stop at Nothing"

http://bit.ly/2ZA3LBo

Alinski and his followers want you to believe that if you fight dirty in response to people fighting dirty with you, then you have lost your morals and in fact your identity. But that's a lie.

We are in a political fight to the death with people who will stop at nothing - and I'm not talking about your average decent Democrat, but rather these Alinski radicals. And if we don't face the same realization as those Marines on Guadalcanal and give back as brutally as we have taken, then we will lose.

Which is what they want. And if we do lose to these kind of tactics, there will be no more decent people left in politics. As of today, we're one short already.

Posted by: Tall Cool Gentleman in a Black Suit at February 19, 2021 02:55 PM (Do5/p)

397 Or they're just shit weasels and I'm giving people too much credit again.
Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at February 19, 2021 02:24 PM (GbPPJ)

Never ascribe evil intent when it is clear that incompetence is the motive.
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once is bad luck

twice is coincidence

3 times is enemy action

a bazillion times already is uniparty.

Posted by: not just a river in e gipt at February 19, 2021 02:55 PM (MO39B)

398 On the Good News front, Reince Priebus may be running for governor in Wisconsin.

Posted by: grammie winger at February 19, 2021 02:55 PM (45fpk)

399 Man, I had a Goo-Goo Cluster the other day, another old-school southern treat from my youth, and I swear the thing was the size of a half-dollar. They used to be the size of a hockey puck.

I was disappointed, to say the least.

Posted by: Grapefruit LaCroix at February 19, 2021 02:55 PM (JVQFp)

400 368 I got some Little Debbie Oatmeal Cream cookies the other day. Takes me back to my youth.

Awwww yisssss. This!

I had one last week. Total sugar-bomb. Totally worth it.
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Went to college with a girl that looked exactly like Little Debbie. This became her nickname. She did not appreciate the association.

Posted by: Puddin Head at February 19, 2021 02:55 PM (T1Dne)

401 I always think I want a MoonPie, then I buy one and remember why I don't eat them very often. They're way to dry.

That's what the Royal Crown cola is for.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Psychos Rule! No, really. They're in charge now. at February 19, 2021 02:56 PM (HaL55)

402 Walther - PDP Full Size Optic Ready 18rd 4.5" 9mm; $600; https://bit.ly/2ZDzMsd

Posted by: bonhomme at February 19, 2021 02:56 PM (YYlyE)

403 I always thought that when it finally comes to blows, the politicians should be the first to go.

I'm coming around to the idea that it's the media that needs to go first, then the politicians, and then the dolts in the education system that created two generations of woke scolds.
Posted by: Grapefruit LaCroix at February 19, 2021 02:12 PM (JVQFp)

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Then we are on the same page.
Posted by: President Select Decaf

I think the politicians need to be saved for last. They need time to allow their fear to simmer. The media is definitely in the front. I would add in the enemy's brown shirts. Antifa, BLM and organizations like Refusefacism, many of whom are in the academic world. Take out their front line troops. Instill fear and watch some of the left's resolve disappear.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * inconspicuous and armed at February 19, 2021 02:56 PM (W/Hq4)

404 >>> 372 Crown Royal and Royal Crown seems like it would work. R2C2.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 19, 2021 02:52 PM (r+sAi)

A friend swore by this. I can't judge because I get violently ill at any combination of alcohol and sweet. But he said that combo was better than any other cola alcohol combo.

Posted by: banana Dream at February 19, 2021 02:56 PM (gTVTz)

405 This is the price of allowing the murder of over 50M babies in the womb. Pure and simple.

And ultimately this battle being discussed right now? Christians struggled with in the 90s. A couple decided that it was worth killing a few people to save a few hundred million babies. They blew up a couple of abortion clinics.

Was that wrong? Did they violate their principles in a manner that went too far?

To save babies?

Would you be willing to blow up a concentration camp's headquarters to save the prisoners?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 19, 2021 02:56 PM (KZzsI)

406 There were no "Dark Ages." During the time when political structure fell apart, the Church developed such things as the university, the scientific method, and astronomy. The notion of a Dark Age came out of the "Enlightenment" which claimed that the Church was backward and ignorant, all while turning their backs on God and His Commandments.

Nothing but anti-Catholic bigotry.

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at February 19, 2021 02:56 PM (qQnCr)

407 Contined from 308

PART VI

So really, "are we being consistent?" is the wrong question here. There are two questions that matter: (1) Is this something that we are morally obligated to do (or not do)? In other words, is this a "killing Bin Laden's grandchildren" scenario? And if it's not, then... (2) Has the Left earned our consistency on this issue? If they have not, then there's no virtue in having our consistency used as a weapon.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at February 19, 2021 02:56 PM (+1A9H)

408 greatest drinking game of all time will be 20 years from now

every time the left says "it would have been worse"

when the same fucking weather keeps on occurring

Posted by: REDACTED at February 19, 2021 02:56 PM (6iURM)

409 This is the price of allowing the murder of over 50M babies in the womb. Pure and simple.
Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at February 19, 2021 02:54 PM (qQnCr)

China killed many more, yet they are triumphant?

Posted by: CN at February 19, 2021 02:57 PM (ONvIw)

410 Isn't the government injunction that killing the unborn and the newborn legal and desirable a dealbreaker for you?

Posted by: President Select Decaf at February 19, 2021 02:55 PM (hpVf/)

Yes, that would be a case where man's law is in opposition to God's law, and thus to be disobeyed and overturned.

Posted by: grammie winger at February 19, 2021 02:57 PM (45fpk)

411 The violent resisters are pushing the "salvation" of something that is not now proven to be anyone's salvation: Freedom/Liberty. (Acting as one sees, one wills, one reasons).

That is doing what one has the power to do and one wills. The only thing that restrains the self-will, self-motivation of freedom/liberty is *principle*.

This is what creates the refined value of the "blessing of liberty". This is not so much founded as a *free* country, but as a *principled* country, largely on the principles of Locke, who was pragmatically working through the principles of Christianity (IMO).

And I really don't care what bucket you put me in.

Posted by: Axeman at February 19, 2021 02:57 PM (FYe3W)

412
I keep saying it, but watching guys like Nichols and French, total nobodies who never accomplished a fuckin' thing besides lining their pockets in the Great American Grift criticizing Rush Limbaugh is just funny. I keep laughing every time I read one of their little screeds Ace keeps posting. It's like if Tom Brady died in a yachting accident, and Ryan Leaf was all "See, Brady ain't shit! I'm the man, now!"

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at February 19, 2021 02:57 PM (0WKYs)

413 You know, there tends to be a rather almost universal principle of saying 'no' to cannibalism.

Donner party had to make a decision...

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at February 19, 2021 02:57 PM (3D/fK)

414 @327 Here's the Historical Formula: Hatred + Government + Disarmed Civilians = Genocide. (JPFO)
Hatred? Check.

Government? BAMN (Check.).

Disarmed Civilians? In progress.

"abolishing whiteness" is easily changed to "abolishing whites." It's the AGW/Climate Change trick.

Posted by: 4 at February 19, 2021 02:57 PM (KnJdm)

415 Isn't the government injunction that killing the unborn and the newborn legal and desirable a dealbreaker for you?

Well this comes down to command versus legalization.

If I'm ordered to kill a baby, I refuse to the cost of my own life. If the government says its legal to kill babies, who do I refuse to? I'm no abortionist.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 19, 2021 02:58 PM (KZzsI)

416 "On the Good News front, Reince Priebus may be running for governor in Wisconsin."

Good grief.

Posted by: lowandslow at February 19, 2021 02:58 PM (qH6FZ)

417 Nood

Posted by: rickb223 at February 19, 2021 02:58 PM (lwpdV)

418 "A very important principle of mine is that my principles will never require me to sacrifice my liberty"

Now that there should be in "Stuff Lincoln Said"

Posted by: West at February 19, 2021 02:58 PM (QY+6a)

419 Was that wrong? Did they violate their principles in a manner that went too far?

To save babies?

Would you be willing to blow up a concentration camp's headquarters to save the prisoners?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 19, 2021 02:56 PM (KZzsI)

At what point did I espouse killing anyone? Dial that shit down, please.

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at February 19, 2021 02:58 PM (qQnCr)

420 Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at February 19, 2021 02:56 PM (+1A9H)

Skimmed a few of the posts in your series, the notion you're addressing is reciprocation, or the lack thereof. Reciprocation is a basic requirement of most human interactions and a functioning society.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is Already Dead at February 19, 2021 02:58 PM (Zm+LZ)

421 Would you be willing to blow up a concentration camp's headquarters to save the prisoners?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 19, 2021 02:56 PM (KZzsI)

The Dietrich Bonhoeffer dilemma. Does a Lutheran pastor attempt to assassinate Hitler?

Posted by: grammie winger at February 19, 2021 02:59 PM (45fpk)

422 I think the politicians need to be saved for last. They need time to allow their fear to simmer. The media is definitely in the front. I would add in the enemy's brown shirts. Antifa, BLM and organizations like Refusefacism, many of whom are in the academic world. Take out their front line troops. Instill fear and watch some of the left's resolve disappear.

Definitely on the same page.

Media first
Shock troops next
Politicians third
Anyone else who still wants a piece after that.

Posted by: Grapefruit LaCroix at February 19, 2021 03:00 PM (zPct3)

423 If Coke really espoused all those negative attributes with which they claim to pre-judge white folks, if I was a white guy and I lost a promotion to a POC, I'd be suing.

Posted by: EveR at February 19, 2021 03:00 PM (R0z7P)

424 At what point did I espouse killing anyone? Dial that shit down, please.

I didn't claim you did. I never intended that to be about you. I'm sorry if my clumsy post seemed that way.

I am simply thinking things through and pointing out that we struggled with this "how far can we go and how do we cling to what we beleive in when the culture and world around us is turned to evil?" decades ago as Christians and never yet came up with a satisfactory answer.

I used to totally oppose the abortion clinic bombers, while sympathizing with their passion.

Now, I'm not so sure.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 19, 2021 03:00 PM (KZzsI)

425 415
Well this comes down to command versus legalization.

If I'm ordered to kill a baby, I refuse to the cost of my own life. If the government says its legal to kill babies, who do I refuse to? I'm no abortionist.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 19, 2021 02:58 PM (KZzsI)

If a state does not provide justice, as Augustine says, what difference is there from it and a band of robbers? Why is the federal government of Mexico legitimate and the cartels not?

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is Already Dead at February 19, 2021 03:00 PM (Zm+LZ)

426 How do I reach Weird Dave or MisHum with a possible something for an ONT? Or do I just send it to ace?
Posted by: TheHoser at February 19, 2021 02:36 PM (b9pgb)

============

Both of those guys usually include their email address at the end of their respective ONTs. Just look through the archives -- should be easy to find.

Posted by: Doof at February 19, 2021 03:01 PM (mZUr4)

427 Isn't the government injunction that killing the unborn and the newborn legal and desirable a dealbreaker for you?

Posted by: President Select Decaf at February 19, 2021 02:55 PM (hpVf/)
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Actually, it's that the sophists in robes elevated Jefferson's opinion about the "wall of separation" to a Constitutional principle to restrain religious-minded people and yet totally ignore Jefferson on the principle underlying it the "Rights of Conscience" by which Jefferson explains as one of the main violations of the mixture of Church and State that it is immoral to make a man pay for what wounds his conscience.

The special pleading from Jefferson basically makes it bare that this is about what progressives want and what they don't want.

You're paying for Democrats to win elections several times over with your tax dollars, but that's nothing to the government with the Democrat symbiote entwined around every nerve.

Posted by: Axeman at February 19, 2021 03:01 PM (FYe3W)

428 I hear an awful lot of talk from "Conservatives" about fighting fair or not fighting fair, yet strangely I never seem to see any meaningful fighting of any sort, while the Left marches through our nation effectively unopposed.
Posted by: BunnyFooFoo at February 19, 2021 02:38 PM (0Uf+z)

You're not wrong.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 19, 2021 02:41 PM (yQpMk)
......
Agreed. the question is what does the average conservative citizen DO to make a difference?
It's not voting, that's for sure.

Posted by: Ziba at February 19, 2021 03:02 PM (S1hrL)

429 Reince Priebus may be running for governor in Wisconsin.
Posted by: grammie winger at February 19, 2021 02:55 PM (45fpk)

So I heard.
Guess we'll have another 4 years of nEvers.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at February 19, 2021 03:02 PM (z79tQ)

430 If a state does not provide justice, as Augustine says, what difference is there from it and a band of robbers?/i]

If you look closely, you'll notice he pointed out that all states are necessarily criminals and villains, just on a grander scale with more power.

And he's not wrong. Government is a sadly necessary evil, but an evil nonetheless.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 19, 2021 03:02 PM (KZzsI)

431 Of course that is not truePosted by: Nevergiveup at February 19, 2021 02:49 PM (tsZQ+)
Just about the entire TF1N report reads like a liberal wet dream. Some of this WILL be implemented. Too much effort has been invested for it not to. I've included a copy for your perusal. https://bit.ly/2ZxPLIE

Posted by: Nutbush City Limits at February 19, 2021 03:02 PM (ipFbG)

432 I've long made the point that playing by the Marquis de Queensbury rules while allowing your opponent to play Calvinball is not only a recipe for disaster, it's suicidal. Hayward has a much larger reach and I hope that people finally start listening.

NRO probably fainted upon reading it

Posted by: physics geek at February 19, 2021 03:03 PM (huQJB)

433
If you look closely, you'll notice he pointed out that all states are necessarily criminals and villains, just on a grander scale with more power.

And he's not wrong. Government is a sadly necessary evil, but an evil nonetheless.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 19, 2021 03:02 PM (KZzsI)

He specifies "without justice". In form and function they are literally similar structures and frequently of similar origin. The provision of justice is what defines legitimacy(though yes, many states fail this metric and yet it is not sensible to overthrow them).

Having concluded that the state is illegitimate and that it is likewise sensible to do away with it, what reason other than means prevents it?

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is Already Dead at February 19, 2021 03:04 PM (Zm+LZ)

434 The Dietrich Bonhoeffer dilemma. Does a Lutheran pastor attempt to assassinate Hitler?

And I don't think that even he came to a clear answer.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 19, 2021 03:05 PM (KZzsI)

435 343 the key is they already marched through our institutions, so now Kyle Rittenhouse gets heavy prosecution for not letting the thugs murder him. They have oligarchs protecting their street violence. So "violence" may not be the best strategy on our part. We (the majority) do need to organize ... but maybe other methods will work ... boycotts of Woke Corps? ... idk, maybe it has to get hotter than that, but action is needed, and that might mean forming groups.

As the events of the last year should have made clear, stupid, impulsive actions won't help anything. The Left controls the system, and those who stick their necks out individually will be crushed. Trying to emulate the Left's street-level tactics when you have no institutional power is a recipe for disaster. The Right has managed to dig itself into a hole so deep that there's no easy way to climb out of it. It's going to take long decades of disciplined, thankless work.

It's also clear, though, that while the system has a lot of power it has no real authority. They know this, which is why they act so afraid even though they seem to hold all the cards. Exploiting this fatal weakness must start from the ground up.

Posted by: BunnyFooFoo at February 19, 2021 03:05 PM (0Uf+z)

436 I always think I want a MoonPie, then I buy one and remember why I don't eat them very often. They're way to dry.
Posted by: lowandslow at February 19, 2021 02:50 PM (qH6FZ)

That's why you have to have an RC Cola with them.
Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at February 19, 2021 02:51 PM (GbPPJ)

Spoken like a true southerner.

Posted by: physics geek at February 19, 2021 03:05 PM (huQJB)

437 In 1982, some wag wrote "Cheat Until Caught; Then Lie" on the trash can outside the entrance to Cauthorn Hall at Oregon State University, where I lived at the time (sophomore year).

I always took it to be an admonition that if you followed that creed, you'd wind up in the trash.

Little did I know that it was the Operating and Motivating Principle of our entire Imbecile Overlord Class, and that they would end up temporarily winning their war against us 39 years later.

Posted by: Sharkman at February 19, 2021 03:06 PM (0bGEp)

438 "After some negotiations, the Almighty has agreed to extend His loan of Limbaugh's talent so he can continue broadcasting and commenting on heavenly matters."

Posted by: Sharkman at February 19, 2021 03:06 PM (0bGEp)

439 'bend our principles'? It's going to take tougher harsher methods, before this progressive-fascist garbage is defeated.

Posted by: rayra at February 19, 2021 03:06 PM (eJd7P)

440 And there's always this guy, that used to be popular with the Left:

https://tinyurl.com/6fdagz7q

Civil Disobedience, Henry David Thoreau

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at February 19, 2021 03:08 PM (5HBd1)

441 The Dietrich Bonhoeffer dilemma. Does a Lutheran pastor attempt to assassinate Hitler?

And I don't think that even he came to a clear answer.

Remember the exchange between the old German doctor and John Smith (played by Christopher Walken) in The Dead Zone (1983):

JS: "If you could go back and kill Hitler before he came to power, knowing what he ended up doing, would you?"

Dr. Weizak: "Well. I believe in the sanctity of life and took my oath to do no harm very seriously. So, yes, I'd kill the son of a bitch."

Posted by: Sharkman at February 19, 2021 03:10 PM (0bGEp)

442 So, I ran across this video of The Devil's Daughters with Danny B. Harvey singing Blue Moon of Kentucky last night:

https://tinyurl.com/The-Blue-Moon-of-Kentucky

I find myself utterly mesmerized by this performance, but I just can't put my finger on why.

Posted by: Sharkman at February 19, 2021 03:12 PM (0bGEp)

443 Dr. Weizak: "Well. I believe in the sanctity of life and took my oath to do no harm very seriously. So, yes, I'd kill the son of a bitch."

I'm actually torn on that. On the one hand, 15 million lives.

On the other hand, if Hitler had not risen, then the evil he represented would still be a specter around us and like Communism be considered a potential valid option to later kill even more.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 19, 2021 03:14 PM (KZzsI)

444 From that Thoreau link:

"It is not a man's duty, as a matter of course, to devote himself to the eradication of any, even the most enormous, wrong; he may still properly have other concerns to engage him; but it is his duty, at least, to wash his hands of it, and, if he gives it no thought longer, not to give it practically his support. "

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at February 19, 2021 03:16 PM (5HBd1)

445 Dear Progressives,

Choose the form of your destructor.

Posted by: West at February 19, 2021 03:23 PM (QY+6a)

446 Dr. Weizak: "Well. I believe in the sanctity of life and took my oath to do no harm very seriously. So, yes, I'd kill the son of a bitch."
Posted by: Sharkman at February 19, 2021 03:10 PM (0bGEp)

This is antifa's theory, by destroying whitey, they save Jews and other minorities from the new Hitler and his evil forces.

Posted by: CN at February 19, 2021 03:27 PM (ONvIw)

447 Starting to see the pattern with principles uber alles conservatives. Notice how many on Twitter constantly try to hold proglodytes to their own supposed principles and it never seems to quite stick? Yeah...as zombie once pointed out, it's a fool's errand to do so because the left only has 2: whatever 1) gets them their dopamine hit (usually power) and 2) avoids badfeelz. They are more than aware of their hypocrisy; they simply don't care.

But the principled Right *does*. Hypocrisy seems to be the unforgivable sin, where even just the appearance of it is enough to make them back down from any argument. But hypocrisy is a concept only adults understand, which is where the principled Right goes wrong: assumes they're dealing with adults.

Cancelling the left isn't so much as a way to teach them cancel culture is wrong as it is the kind of punishment you'd give a toddler. Just as you wouldn't bother explaining punishment to a toddler, you likewise shouldn't waste time doing so with proglodytes. Turning their own infantile psychology on them (2nd rule about avoiding badfeelz) is the only way to get them to stop acting on their totalitarian impulses.

Posted by: Saber Alter at February 19, 2021 03:56 PM (py1gx)

448 Special forces playbook, you dont fight fair with your enemy.

Posted by: KarlHungus at February 19, 2021 03:57 PM (TId/f)

449 The "principles" of the people we're discussing are "conservatism be damned, we have the divine right to rule and financially milk the peons."

Posted by: Richard DeCamp at February 19, 2021 04:38 PM (etE+3)

450 There is something to be said by giving the Left a taste of their own medicine to the point where they admit it sucks, and they are forced into abandoning their tactics that way. Problem is, WOULD it work, and even IF it did, how long would it take?

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at February 19, 2021 04:49 PM (49Dnm)

451 There is no "compromise of principles" necessary. Leftists and their allies are not only not our countrymen but they are the worst enemy our country has ever faced. They deserve only extermination and there's nothing unprincipled about giving them what they deserve.

Posted by: JoshO at February 19, 2021 04:55 PM (3fxW/)

452 We beat the Nazis, Imperialist Japanese, and Russian Communists by fighting by their rules. Our Marxists are the worst, most evil enemies America has ever faced. They must not be tolerated, compromised with, nor negotiated with. Destroy them and exile them to some fascist state of their dreams.

Posted by: I am not corey Booker at February 20, 2021 12:37 AM (EcD5Y)

453 It is now dangerous to vote unless you vote for the democrats.
These people will go after you and the GOP won't protect you and will actually give you up.
Voting has now become obsolete in America.

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John Hayward On Conservative Principles – Play Fair And Lose, Or Bend Your Principles To Defend Liberty
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