The Morning Rant: Minimalist Edition

As usual, J.J. Sefton beat me to this excellent article, but its message is worth repeating.

The Left, with its slavish adherence to dogma, and its acolytes willing to be foot soldiers in its war against the West, has systematically overrun the institutions that made America great and unique, and any change, even if possible, will be a long slog through those same institutions.

But first we have to minimize the power those institutions have over us.

What Is To Be Done?

Various habits render one fragile and insecure, not least debt. Thus, avoiding debt and getting out of debt has to be one of the bedrock habits of any dissident. This is particularly true for young people, who are sold a siren song of credentials funded by student loans, when state colleges, learning a trade, or investing money in a business would earn a larger return.
So long as one is leveraged, in debt, spending to the hilt, and in dire need of a paycheck, one can be cajoled or manipulated into doing the system’s bidding. The more one has in the bank, and the lower one’s monthly obligations, the easier it is to stand up for oneself.
This may take some time; reducing expenses is a painful process for most. But the McMansions, vacations, credit cards, fancy meals, and all the rest are luxuries one can live without, particularly when one recognizes them as tools of social control.
The coronavirus has been a massive disaster. But one silver lining is how many of us learned to enjoy simple pleasures like exercise and home-cooked meals. Look at money the way the wealthy and powerful do: as a means of securing personal independence.

But that's not all. He discusses intellectual independence, the need for organization, and I think the crux of the problem: the need for solidarity.

And that's the big problem. Just look around here. We are more than willing to cast out the unbelievers, whom we define as adhering to less than 99% of our orthodoxy. Yes, that's a bit of hyperbole, but unpopular opinions are rarely tolerated, even in these august pages.

But solidarity is a noble and powerful end result, and it is worth working towards. Just ask Lech Wałęsa!

But...in today's world it has become immensely difficult to communicate with like-minded people without using the the tools that are controlled by those who wish to destroy us. So while this point is reasonable, it doesn't reflect the harsh reality of a modern, connected life.

The source of strength for the dissident Right comes from those areas of life that exist outside of the economic-political-technocratic surveillance regime. The greatest potential exists among “in real life” friendships and family relationships. Your Twitter followers aren’t going to come to the rescue when Antifa is threatening your home or your business needs a loan. And it’s a lot harder for “cancel culture” to break the bonds of blood and shared experience.

But even within the surveillance state there are ways to minimize its reach. Even simple encryption will go a long way toward mitigating their advantages.

Regardless of the tactics, we have to rebuild the America that we desire, the one that the Left has carefully and methodically dismantled. I firmly believe in American Exceptionalism, and if the current political disaster has revealed anything, it is the distinct possibility that the left's apparent success is based on a careful manipulation of our electoral process. There may very well be a majority in America that hearkens back to the country we remember and love.

Posted by: CBD at 11:00 AM

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1 Hola

Posted by: Thanatopsis at beautiful Chancre del Diablo ranch at December 17, 2020 11:00 AM (bQRJE)

2 Monkey!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at December 17, 2020 11:01 AM (kTF2Z)

3 356 Don't worry! Be happy! Politico explains how the Never Trumpers will save us.

Laura Barron-Lopez
@lbarronlopez
NEW: What comes next for Never-Trumpers? Answers vary
- Help Biden, pull him to center "We'--ll have a pipeline into the admin"
- Target Trump Republicans who signed lawsuit
- Shield Rs who want to work w/Biden
- Create a new party
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 17, 2020 10:59 AM (+y/Ru)

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By "pull Biden to the center" they mean start a war in Syria on behalf of Iran.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, marching in the Felliniesque circus at December 17, 2020 11:01 AM (LvTSG)

4 And so it. Begins

Posted by: That guy who always thinks it's beginning at December 17, 2020 11:02 AM (Uhu8A)

5 Yeah Buddy

Posted by: That Guy What Always Says Yeah Buddy TM at December 17, 2020 11:03 AM (R5lpX)

6 By "pull Biden to the center" they mean start a war in Syria on behalf of Iran.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, marching in the Felliniesque circus at December 17, 2020 11:01 AM (LvTSG)

Iran w/tactical nukes.

Posted by: BignJames at December 17, 2020 11:03 AM (AwYPR)

7 On the church topic in the last thread - I've been reading Paul's letters, and he talks about how he longs to worship together with the new believers and visit them, etc. At no point does he say "unless someone has the sniffles, in which case peace out, we're all in this together".

Posted by: Mrs. Peel at December 17, 2020 11:04 AM (rWZ8Y)

8 Also, happy birthday to Sponge and Fen!

Posted by: Mrs. Peel at December 17, 2020 11:04 AM (rWZ8Y)

9 Well said, CBD.

Posted by: SMH at December 17, 2020 11:05 AM (RU4sa)

10 Happy Birthday, Sponge and Fen!

Posted by: SMH at December 17, 2020 11:05 AM (RU4sa)

11 top ten ?

Posted by: Nick Danger Third Eye at December 17, 2020 11:05 AM (c1JKE)

12 Posted by: Mrs. Peel at December 17, 2020 11:04 AM (rWZ8Y)

So, Paul was a spreader?

Posted by: BignJames at December 17, 2020 11:05 AM (AwYPR)

13 Missed it by that >< much!

Posted by: Nick Danger Third Eye at December 17, 2020 11:06 AM (c1JKE)

14 11 top ten ?
Posted by: Nick Danger Third Eye at December 17, 2020 11:05 AM (c1JKE)

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One job. You had one job.

Posted by: cornbred at December 17, 2020 11:07 AM (J035j)

15 So, Paul was a spreader?
Posted by: BignJames at December 17, 2020 11:05 AM (AwYPR)
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Judging by results, a super-spreader.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at December 17, 2020 11:07 AM (Uhu8A)

16 So, Paul was a spreader?

Posted by: BignJames at December 17, 2020 11:05 AM (AwYPR)

Of Christianity? Yes.

Back in those days, that was dangerous in a number of directions...

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at December 17, 2020 11:07 AM (ZSK0i)

17 Yes, that's a bit of hyperbole, but unpopular opinions are rarely tolerated, even in these august pages.

True, but carrots in chili is a bridge too far.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 17, 2020 11:07 AM (DMUuz)

18 willowed:
>>> 355 I mention Snowden her from time to time. What he exposed is important. He ran because our state agencies would have killed him, in my opinion. That said, I am not a Snowden defender. Not everything in a flawed world is black and white for me.
Posted by: tubal at December 17, 2020 10:58 AM (bCLt0)

The sort of corruption he uncovered invites foreign interference exactly like Russia and Snowden. Every government institution acts in a way to further extend their need. The crap that the US IC pulls creates foreign interference which they amplify and then point to in order to justify their own existence. Same for DOJ, same for DOD.

Being honest and open about the state of things, even spycraft, would start to solve problems. Which is why it will never be done. They're not protecting this nation. They're protecting their damned phony baloney jobs.

Posted by: banana Dream at December 17, 2020 11:07 AM (l6b3d)

19 The "what to be done" article is mainly empty platitudes that might make for decent New Year's resolutions but isn't much of "a plan" per se.

Posted by: All Just Part of the Plan at December 17, 2020 11:08 AM (dYe5S)

20 [20 comment rule]

Posted by: Insomniac at December 17, 2020 11:08 AM (nakwk)

21 Got out of debt back in '07. Didn't get hurt by the housing bubble of '08. Been out of debt since then.

Posted by: That Guy What Always Says Yeah Buddy TM at December 17, 2020 11:08 AM (R5lpX)

22 Great rant as usual CBD. I agree

Posted by: Zeera I should be writing right now at December 17, 2020 11:08 AM (zUdXR)

23 Various habits render one fragile and insecure, not least debt. Thus, avoiding debt and getting out of debt has to be one of the bedrock habits of any dissident. This is particularly true for young people, who are sold a siren song of credentials funded by student loans, when state colleges, learning a trade, or investing money in a business would earn a larger return.
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I live by this, and have for a long time. I hit Peak Debt in 2009, with nearly $45k in student loans, $9k in a car loan, and couple of grand on credit cards. I had a decent job and could manage the payments, but it felt like a millstone around my neck and ate away at my gut like an ulcer. It was extremely limiting - if *anything* went wrong, I was finished.

I knuckled down and lived like a monk until I paid everything off. I am debt-free now, and have been for several years. I will never go into debt again if I can help it. I felt both liberated *and* rich when I sent that final payment away. I also got used to frugality and deferred gratification, which are habits that have stuck with me. My lifestyle is more lavish now, but actually not by a whole lot. I still save a lot and live below my means. It keeps me free. I can quit my job or get fired without it being an existential crisis. I can take low-value work if needed or desired, and still keep my head above water.

And that's just the personal level. Institutionally, it can be tremendously dangerous due to the scale and cross-section of potential damage.

I am become debt, the destroyer of worlds.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 17, 2020 11:08 AM (hYcqw)

24 Forgot to add my broader point. The church, at least my local one, has failed us on both temporal and spiritual grounds. From the temporal perspective, we are guaranteed the rights to freedom of worship and freedom of assembly. There is no "except for the sniffles" exception in the Constitution. The church absolutely should be standing up for our freedom to worship. And from the spiritual perspective, we are absolutely 100% called to worship TOGETHER as the Body of Christ. Any church that did not uphold these principles, and frankly that's pretty much all of them, has failed its congregation.

Posted by: Mrs. Peel at December 17, 2020 11:08 AM (rWZ8Y)

25 There may very well be a majority in America that hearkens back to the country we remember and love.

Posted by: CBD at 11:00 AM

I believe there is, and massively. The problem is uniting people who geographically exist in a land mass much greater than Poland, for example. More importantly we have not been pushed to the brink of desperation vis a vis lack of food and shelter enough to risk physically striking back at our perhaps soon-to-be overlords.

That said, Venezuela is a basket case and yet Maduro and his stooges are entrenched.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 17, 2020 11:09 AM (s2VJv)

26 Regardless of the tactics, we have to rebuild the America that we desire, the one that the Left has carefully and methodically dismantled.

There's only one way. And it involves a literal ton of body bags.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2020 11:09 AM (Yo3dV)

27 So, Paul was a spreader?

Posted by: BignJames

Super spreader.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2020 11:10 AM (Yo3dV)

28 twatter says fox fired crhis cuck wallace

Posted by: vmom Trump Won! at December 17, 2020 11:10 AM (nUhF0)

29 Reposted just because this is how I feel today.

Wolverine don't give a fvck.

https://youtu.be/wMwCLXmZMHs

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 17, 2020 11:10 AM (+y/Ru)

30 Fauci to issue Class Action Death Certificates for Red States. Film at 11.

Posted by: klaftern at December 17, 2020 11:11 AM (RuIsu)

31 There is an American Solidarity party. I took a look at their platform, it seems to mostly be democrat-Lite, but without abortion.

Posted by: josephistan at December 17, 2020 11:11 AM (Izzlo)

32 That said, Venezuela is a basket case and yet Maduro and his stooges are entrenched.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton

Because the opposition has been disarmed.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2020 11:11 AM (Yo3dV)

33 SpaceX had to scrub today. They'll be retrying tomorrow. They're delivering a classified satellite payload. I'll just enjoy the rockets and try not to dwell on the fact that they're putting another part of the liberty-destroying panopticon into orbit.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 17, 2020 11:11 AM (hYcqw)

34 That said, Venezuela is a basket case and yet Maduro and his stooges are entrenched.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 17, 2020 11:09 AM (s2VJv)

It could be because they have the guns

Posted by: MAC SOG'''' at December 17, 2020 11:11 AM (P4Pk9)

35 Somebody said 'Body bags'?

https://tinyurl.com/ydfwb8fq

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 17, 2020 11:12 AM (3D/fK)

36 On the church topic in the last thread - I've been reading Paul's letters, and he talks about how he longs to worship together with the new believers and visit them, etc. At no point does he say "unless someone has the sniffles, in which case peace out, we're all in this together".
Posted by: Mrs. Peel

Exactly. My wife and I are determined to travel widely here in the states this year to visit those we haven't seen recently - friends and family alike. To firm up old friendships and increase face time with those we love.

We are homeschooling two little ones now so it will take a bit of thought but we're going to do it. Screw you cowardly govenators.

Posted by: Tonypete at December 17, 2020 11:12 AM (Rvt88)

37 There's only one way. And it involves a literal ton of body bags.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2020 11:09 AM (Yo3dV)

Gavin Newsom sez he just bought a bunch for CA in order to scare us to stay inside. So if you need any...

Posted by: Fox at December 17, 2020 11:12 AM (L8ADy)

38 Regardless of the tactics, we have to rebuild the America that we
desire, the one that the Left has carefully and methodically dismantled.
I firmly believe in American Exceptionalism, and if the current
political disaster has revealed anything, it is the distinct possibility
that the left's apparent success is based on a careful manipulation of
our electoral process. There may very well be a majority in America that
hearkens back to the country we remember and love.

Hard lessons should be taught to those who did this to us. Fear is very effective, as we're seeing in this ChiCom WuFlu idiocy.

We will never be free unless and until the progressive communist powermongers fear We the People. Our future and our lives depend on this simple rule. Fear works and it's way past time to make it work in our favor against our enemies.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy-Always believe what your TV says at December 17, 2020 11:13 AM (HaL55)

39 Has anyone seen the new woke Ritz Crackers holiday commercial? Ethan van Sciver did a hilarious fisk of it - highly recommended. It's basically an attack on the family, although the voiceover SAYS the holidays are for spending time for the family "you were born into" or "the one you make yourself", in fact NOBODY in the commercial is spending time in a real life family. It's all miserable homosexuals shunned by their parents, unattached little children with no parents, and isolated old ladies stuck in retirement homes. Basically, the message is; Your real family sucks; go and concoct a new one out of whatever scraps and leftovers you find lying around.

Posted by: Dr. Mabuse at December 17, 2020 11:13 AM (ZzfrF)

40 Oooooold sox

Posted by: clutch cargo now with 21% more FUCKITOL at December 17, 2020 11:13 AM (L8ADy)

41 Sarah Hoyt used a headline many times just after the election: There are more of us than there are of them. That's something to internalize. Even if someone disagrees with you on one thing (like what to do about the fraud), statistically they more likely than not agree on a big thing: that there was fraud. I'm 100% as trapped as the lady that wrote the American Coward article, and not by things like debt. But I haven't prayed this fervently or this constantly in my entire life, 100% of it Christian. We do what we can do.

Posted by: Catherine at December 17, 2020 11:13 AM (KzgGT)

42 Fauci to issue Class Action Death Certificates for Red States. Film at 11.

???

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at December 17, 2020 11:14 AM (ZSK0i)

43 We just last week made the last payment on our non-mortgage debt (and we owe MUCH less than our house is worth). It feels great. We're not in a position to make extra payments on the house yet (job loss and required home repairs forced us to dip into the emergency fund, so that needs to be built back up), but even if we never pay anything extra, it'll be paid off before our kids are out of high school.

Posted by: Mrs. Peel at December 17, 2020 11:14 AM (rWZ8Y)

44 Reading this, CBD, makes me think of Brian in New Orleans. Moving on, the part about getting one's financial house in order before taking on Leviathan seems extremely pertinent. We are not at the manning the barricades stage. We are at the gearing up and getting our minds right stage. Just my opinion.

Posted by: tubal at December 17, 2020 11:14 AM (bCLt0)

45 Because the opposition has been disarmed.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2020 11:11 AM (Yo3dV)

Beatoff O'Dork: That's where I come in to help achieve our socialist utopia.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 17, 2020 11:14 AM (byL7B)

46 I think we start middle in. Texas, Oklahoma and others secede and then we work our way to the coasts. Maybe we never accept them back anyway!

Posted by: BacktoGA at December 17, 2020 11:14 AM (/UKbc)

47 Wakes up
Scratches
Looks around
Dang. The monkey. I wish I had a good excuse for sleeping late, but I don't. Oh well.
Goes looking for coffee.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 17, 2020 11:14 AM (axyOa)

48 Sarah Hoyt > Instapundit

Posted by: tubal at December 17, 2020 11:15 AM (bCLt0)

49 HAHAAA National Review "under fire" for trashing Jill Biden's dissertation.

Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of commie cocksucking losers. Hope you enjoy your new team, fags!

Posted by: Eli Cash at December 17, 2020 11:15 AM (SScvq)

50 Regardless of the tactics, we have to rebuild the America that we desire, the one that the Left has carefully and methodically dismantled.
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How can we legally make government fear us? Is is possible?

Posted by: Tree of Liberty Landscaping at December 17, 2020 11:15 AM (DB16e)

51 "Get woke go broke" is a thing because, if the left actually was a majority of the people in the country, getting woke would lead to riches.

There are more of us than there are of them.

Posted by: Shenanigans at December 17, 2020 11:15 AM (1rsWG)

52 McMansions, vacations, credit cards, fancy meals, and all the rest are luxuries one can...enjoy in retirement after decades of saving.
People ask me what it's like to have retired at 50. I tell them every day is Saturday.

Posted by: These fish sticks are hard as tits at December 17, 2020 11:16 AM (3AD8C)

53 The present winter is worth an age, if rightly employed; but, if lost or neglected, the whole continent will partake of the evil; and there is no punishment that man does not deserve, be he who, or what, or where he will, that may be the means of sacrificing a season so precious and useful.

Posted by: Thomas Paine's Footnotes at December 17, 2020 11:16 AM (A/PYv)

54 Bill Whittle has started a new series on YouTube called 'Back to America'.

He's far nicer, kinder and smarter than I am.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Pick your partners for the Dance at December 17, 2020 11:16 AM (ifmtJ)

55 cola tests positive in germany! don't drink cola! it has corona!

Posted by: phoenixgirl at December 17, 2020 11:17 AM (CqHIp)

56 Laura Barron-Lopez
@lbarronlopez
NEW: What comes next for Never-Trumpers? Answers vary
- Help Biden, pull him to center "We'--ll have a pipeline into the admin"
>>Sure you will. Kamala and the Soros minions will totally listen to you.

- Target Trump Republicans who signed lawsuit
>>And do what?

- Shield Rs who want to work w/Biden
>>From what? The risk they run is negative-- People not voting for them. How do you 'shield' them from that?

- Create a new party
>>With yourselves at the head. Jesus Christ these people are pathetic.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 17, 2020 10:59 AM (+y/Ru)

Posted by: Vanya, Minister of Fear at December 17, 2020 11:17 AM (gAFsE)

57 We just last week made the last payment on our non-mortgage debt (and we owe MUCH less than our house is worth). It feels great. We're not in a position to make extra payments on the house yet (job loss and required home repairs forced us to dip into the emergency fund, so that needs to be built back up), but even if we never pay anything extra, it'll be paid off before our kids are out of high school.
Posted by: Mrs. Peel at December 17, 2020 11:14 AM (rWZ8Y)
++++++++++++++
Congratulations!

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 17, 2020 11:17 AM (hYcqw)

58 Posted by: Mrs. Peel at December 17, 2020 11:08 AM (rWZ8Y)

I am deeply religious. I stopped attending church years ago because of the leftism from the pulpit and leadership. Don't tell me to find another church, I've lived in six different states since then, and each time, it has been the same no matter which congregation I visited. The lack of push back from organized religion during this pandemic has proven my point. My religion is between God and me.

Posted by: Archer at December 17, 2020 11:17 AM (gmo/4)

59 Good for you guys Mrs Peel! Nice.

Being completely debt free was the most liberating thing I ever did. It took me forever as I was a knucklehead and a spoiled little boy. But luckily, I allowed myself to be dragged kicking and screaming into it.

Posted by: Tonypete at December 17, 2020 11:17 AM (Rvt88)

60 Hard lessons should be taught to those who did this to us. Fear is very effective, as we're seeing in this ChiCom WuFlu idiocy.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy

Fuck lessons and fear. Death.
I don't have that kind of time to play around.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2020 11:17 AM (Yo3dV)

61 Has anyone seen the new woke Ritz Crackers holiday commercial? Ethan van Sciver did a hilarious fisk of it - highly recommended...
Posted by: Dr. Mabuse at December 17, 2020 11:13 AM (ZzfrF)

Ah, so the whole cracker discussion we had a few days ago starting with Ritz being a gay cracker was actually an intelligent comment for a moron regarding cultural decline and the state of corporate woke-ism that mistakenly devolved into an argument about water crackers and pros/cons of oyster crackers? Wonder how that happened?

Posted by: clutch cargo now with 21% more FUCKITOL at December 17, 2020 11:18 AM (L8ADy)

62 >>> That said, Venezuela is a basket case and yet Maduro and his stooges are entrenched.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 17, 2020 11:09 AM (s2VJv)

I think most leftist oppressed people came to freedom through solidarity with external freedom loving (mostly the old USA) people. Leverage was applied and at least vocal support was given. But with that gone? Can Poland and Czech R. apply leverage for us? no. Whatever we do, live or die, we'll do alone.

Posted by: banana Dream at December 17, 2020 11:18 AM (l6b3d)

63 SpaceX had to scrub today. They'll be retrying tomorrow. They're delivering a classified satellite payload. I'll just enjoy the rockets and try not to dwell on the fact that they're putting another part of the liberty-destroying panopticon into orbit.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 17, 2020 11:11 AM (hYcqw)

Know what would be cool? Attach a booster to the ISS and fly it around the moon every once in a while, just to break the monotony.

Posted by: BignJames at December 17, 2020 11:18 AM (AwYPR)

64 49 HAHAAA National Review "under fire" for trashing Jill Biden's dissertation.

Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of commie cocksucking losers. Hope you enjoy your new team, fags!
Posted by: Eli Cash at December 17, 2020 11:15 AM (SScvq)

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It's actually a fun read. The first thing I've actually read from NRO is a long while.

The dissertation is garbage, and Kyle Smith revels in calling it so.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, marching in the Felliniesque circus at December 17, 2020 11:19 AM (NWM+b)

65 Greetings:

But we can still say "crackers", right ???

Posted by: 11B40 at December 17, 2020 11:19 AM (evgyj)

66 twatter says fox fired crhis cuck wallace

Posted by: vmom Trump Won! at December 17, 2020 11:10
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Is this for realz?

Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at December 17, 2020 11:19 AM (ViCCR)

67 McMansions, vacations, credit cards, fancy meals, and all the rest are luxuries one can...enjoy in retirement after decades of saving.

Posted by: These fish sticks are hard as tits

The thing of it is - (most) folks that accomplish that early still won't blow their $$ on those things. Even, or maybe especially, because they're now wealthy.

Posted by: Tonypete at December 17, 2020 11:19 AM (Rvt88)

68 54 Bill Whittle has started a new series on YouTube called 'Back to America'.

He's far nicer, kinder and smarter than I am.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Pick your partners for the Dance at December 17, 2020 11:16 AM (ifmtJ)

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Who would call you nice and kind?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, marching in the Felliniesque circus at December 17, 2020 11:19 AM (NWM+b)

69 It's all miserable homosexuals shunned by their parents, unattached little children with no parents, and isolated old ladies stuck in retirement homes. Basically, the message is; Your real family sucks; go and concoct a new one out of whatever scraps and leftovers you find lying around.
Posted by: Dr. Mabuse at December 17, 2020 11:13 AM (ZzfrF)

I want to start my own miserable homosexual family so we can then grift off the federal government and legally spew hate and discontent where ever we go.

Where to start, where to start.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 17, 2020 11:20 AM (KdF3o)

70 But solidarity is a noble and powerful end result, and it is worth working towards. Just ask Lech Walesa!

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This is true. The time has come to set aside differences. Anyone who isn't a Communist, or one of their pets on the "Right," needs to be welcomed. This includes even centrist Democrats. And Libertarians. Hell, even the odd monarchist, if there are any of those running around.

It's time to quit bickering with each other. Anyone who stands against the Leftists who've taken power should be welcomed. If they're just freedom-curious, they should be proselytized. We are, now, actually "all in this together." This is the real crisis.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 17, 2020 11:20 AM (g4Dtb)

71 According to the New York Times, America's Newsletter of Record

Ben Carson, noted neurosurgeon, is Mr. Carson.

Jill Biden, noted politician's wife is Dr. Biden.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 17, 2020 11:20 AM (DMUuz)

72 We just last week made the last payment on our non-mortgage debt (and we
owe MUCH less than our house is worth). It feels great. We're not in a
position to make extra payments on the house yet (job loss and required
home repairs forced us to dip into the emergency fund, so that needs to
be built back up), but even if we never pay anything extra, it'll be
paid off before our kids are out of high school.

Posted by: Mrs. Peel at December 17, 2020 11:14 AM (rWZ8Y)

congratulations! keep your mortgage debt...invest what you would pay extra on the principal or use that $ to treat yourself.

Posted by: phoenixgirl at December 17, 2020 11:20 AM (CqHIp)

73 >>> 39 Has anyone seen the new woke Ritz Crackers holiday commercial?
Posted by: Dr. Mabuse at December 17, 2020 11:13 AM (ZzfrF)

Ace had a post on it yesterday.

Posted by: banana Dream at December 17, 2020 11:20 AM (l6b3d)

74 twatter says fox fired crhis cuck wallace
Posted by: vmom Trump Won! at December 17, 2020 11:10 AM (nUhF0)
+++++++++++
Dear Fox,

Cool. I am glad to hear this news. I would, however advise you to keep the expression, "too little, too late" firmly in mind.

Sincerely,
- Never coming back ever so continue fucking directly off

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 17, 2020 11:20 AM (hYcqw)

75 I just noticed...Punk Monkey and Keith Richards share the same taste in jewelry:

https://___1.etsystatic.com/134/0/13203565/il_570xN.1055574947_olqa.jpg

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, Doctor of Housekeeping at December 17, 2020 11:21 AM (PiwSw)

76 How can we legally make government fear us? Is is possible?

Legally? What's legal about voter fraud? What's legal about Georgia allowing tens of thousands of illegal votes in their congressional runoff?

Our domestic enemies abandoned all thought of laws long ago. They aim to seize power By Any Means Necessary. And they're doing it right in front of us and daring us to stop them.

They will not stop on their own. This fact should be plainly evident by now. We will have to stop them.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy-Always believe what your TV says at December 17, 2020 11:22 AM (HaL55)

77 I want to start my own miserable homosexual family so we can then grift off the federal government and legally spew hate and discontent where ever we go.

Where to start, where to start.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy

I'm a lesbian trapped in a male body - does that count?

Posted by: Tonypete at December 17, 2020 11:22 AM (Rvt88)

78 The thing of it is - (most) folks that accomplish that early still won't blow their $$ on those things. Even, or maybe especially, because they're now wealthy.
Posted by: Tonypete at December 17, 2020 11:19 AM (Rvt8

+++++++++++
The difference is inside the house. What actual rich people - many of whom live very modestly - seem to spend money on in my experience is furnishing and appliances. It is what I aspire to. I try to only buy stuff that will outlast me.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 17, 2020 11:22 AM (hYcqw)

79 77 I want to start my own miserable homosexual family so we can then grift off the federal government and legally spew hate and discontent where ever we go.

Where to start, where to start.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy

I'm a lesbian trapped in a male body - does that count?
Posted by: Tonypete at December 17, 2020 11:22 AM (Rvt8

========

You are a pre-op trans woman, which makes you the same as a cis-gendered woman.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, marching in the Felliniesque circus at December 17, 2020 11:22 AM (NWM+b)

80 And in other news...actor Tom Cruise gets too big for his britches. Goes on another rant causing five crew members to tell him to GFY.

Posted by: That Guy What Always Says Yeah Buddy TM at December 17, 2020 11:22 AM (R5lpX)

81 Speaking of debt.

No one will stop the deficit spending.

Quite the opposite, spending will increase significantly.

Soon.

Posted by: US DEBT CLOCK at December 17, 2020 11:22 AM (lOr+7)

82 68 54 Bill Whittle has started a new series on YouTube called 'Back to America'.

He's far nicer, kinder and smarter than I am.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Pick your partners for the Dance at December 17, 2020 11:16 AM (ifmtJ)

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Who would call you nice and kind?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, marching in the Felliniesque circus at December 17, 2020 11:19 AM (NWM+b)

Let's establish a baseline of me being X Nice and X Kind.

Bill is 3X Nice and 3X Kind.

I am not a nice person. I know this.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Pick your partners for the Dance at December 17, 2020 11:22 AM (ifmtJ)

83 I would say that most of us here have outgrown, or are outgrowing, Big Media News. We are a market for information that will be provided for.

Posted by: tubal at December 17, 2020 11:23 AM (bCLt0)

84 82 Who would call you nice and kind?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, marching in the Felliniesque circus at December 17, 2020 11:19 AM (NWM+b)

Let's establish a baseline of me being X Nice and X Kind.

Bill is 3X Nice and 3X Kind.

I am not a nice person. I know this.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Pick your partners for the Dance at December 17, 2020 11:22 AM (ifmtJ)

=========

We still love you.

No homo.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, marching in the Felliniesque circus at December 17, 2020 11:23 AM (NWM+b)

85 It's time to quit bickering with each other. Anyone who stands against the Leftists who've taken power should be welcomed. If they're just freedom-curious, they should be proselytized. We are, now, actually "all in this together." This is the real crisis.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 17, 2020 11:20 AM (g4Dtb)

***

This is why I like the US Civil Defense Assoc. They are united in their opposition to communism/socialism.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 17, 2020 11:23 AM (axyOa)

86 75 I just noticed...Punk Monkey and Keith Richards share the same taste in jewelry:

Hmm, previous url was mangled. Try this one.

https://preview.tinyurl.com/ydfc55oe

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, Doctor of Housekeeping at December 17, 2020 11:23 AM (PiwSw)

87 81 Speaking of debt.

No one will stop the deficit spending.

Quite the opposite, spending will increase significantly.

Soon.

Posted by: US DEBT CLOCK at December 17, 2020 11:22 AM (lOr+7)

God bless the destabilizing force of government deficits.

Posted by: Someguy at December 17, 2020 11:23 AM (s/xOm)

88 74
twatter says fox fired crhis cuck wallace

Posted by: vmom Trump Won! at December 17, 2020 11:10 AM (nUhF0)

+++++++++++

Dear Fox,

Cool. I am glad to hear this news. I would, however advise you to keep the expression, "too little, too late" firmly in mind.

Sincerely,

- Never coming back ever so continue fucking directly off

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 17, 2020 11:20 AM (hYcqw)

he should have been fired 6 yrs or so ago......#neverfox

Posted by: phoenixgirl at December 17, 2020 11:24 AM (CqHIp)

89 Has anyone seen the new woke Ritz Crackers holiday commercial?
Posted by: Dr. Mabuse at December 17, 2020 11:13 AM (ZzfrF)

Ace had a post on it yesterday.
Posted by: banana Dream at December 17, 2020 11:20 AM (l6b3d)

All the fun stuff happens when I'm gone. Just started watching the video ripping it.

Posted by: clutch cargo now with 21% more FUCKITOL at December 17, 2020 11:24 AM (L8ADy)

90 Is this for realz?
Posted by: olddog in mo

not sure
might just be a rumor

Posted by: vmom Trump Won! at December 17, 2020 11:24 AM (nUhF0)

91 I'm starting to think that no Democrat politician has actually been elected--voted into office by the people--for at least forty years.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at December 17, 2020 11:24 AM (E+OcO)

92 88 74
twatter says fox fired crhis cuck wallace

Posted by: vmom Trump Won! at December 17, 2020 11:10 AM (nUhF0)

+++++++++++

Dear Fox,

Cool. I am glad to hear this news. I would, however advise you to keep the expression, "too little, too late" firmly in mind.

Sincerely,

- Never coming back ever so continue fucking directly off

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 17, 2020 11:20 AM (hYcqw)

he should have been fired 6 yrs or so ago......#neverfox
Posted by: phoenixgirl at December 17, 2020 11:24 AM (CqHIp)

========

If this is true, it's super weird because I was assured by Fox that Chris had done such a great job in the presidential debate. Kind of weird to let a guy go after such a stellar job, you know?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, marching in the Felliniesque circus at December 17, 2020 11:25 AM (NWM+b)

93 48 Sarah Hoyt > Instapundit

This.
For some reason her posts there are relegated to the wee hours where they're less seen and commented on.

Posted by: President Elect Lebron Horowitz at December 17, 2020 11:25 AM (UFgOG)

94 Ace had a post on it yesterday.

Posted by: banana Dream at December 17, 2020 11:20 AM (l6b3d)
Seriously? Aw, I feel like an idiot! I just can't read everything that goes on here!!

Posted by: Dr. Mabuse at December 17, 2020 11:25 AM (ZzfrF)

95 Wallace fired just means Wallace unemployed for a few days. He has other gigs waiting.

Posted by: tubal at December 17, 2020 11:25 AM (bCLt0)

96 Posted by: Archer at December 17, 2020 11:17 AM (gmo/4)

I'll raise a glass to that.

The churches I have been to had little to no concern for real suffering and need; they had concern only for themselves, their faux righteousness, and securing for themselves a position of high esteem in the world to come.

I've no use for religious pretentions from people who claim the name of Christ, yet open the Bible only to look down upon the sinner in the audience, or perhaps worse, open the Bible only on Sundays and Wednesdays.

The state of the various churches I've been to nowadays reminds me of Isaiah 1 and 2. A notable excerpt...

10 Hear the word of the Lord, you rulers of Sodom;
listen to the instruction of our God,
you people of Gomorrah!
11 "The multitude of your sacrifices -
what are they to me?" says the Lord.
"I have more than enough of burnt offerings,
of rams and the fat of fattened animals;
I have no pleasure
in the blood of bulls and lambs and goats.
12 When you come to appear before me,
who has asked this of you,
this trampling of my courts?
13 Stop bringing meaningless offerings!
Your incense is detestable to me.
New Moons, Sabbaths and convocations -
I cannot bear your worthless assemblies.
14 Your New Moon feasts and your appointed festivals
I hate with all my being.
They have become a burden to me;
I am weary of bearing them.
15 When you spread out your hands in prayer,
I hide my eyes from you;
even when you offer many prayers,
I am not listening.

Your hands are full of blood!

As Holmes said to Watson, "plus �a change, plus c'est la meme chose."

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at December 17, 2020 11:25 AM (6JL3d)

97 94 Ace had a post on it yesterday.

Posted by: banana Dream at December 17, 2020 11:20 AM (l6b3d)
Seriously? Aw, I feel like an idiot! I just can't read everything that goes on here!!
Posted by: Dr. Mabuse at December 17, 2020 11:25 AM (ZzfrF)

=========

RSS feeds are great, by the way.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, marching in the Felliniesque circus at December 17, 2020 11:25 AM (NWM+b)

98 Fuck lessons and fear. Death.

I don't have that kind of time to play around.

Neither do I. I was just trying to be more tactful and indirect.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy-Always believe what your TV says at December 17, 2020 11:25 AM (HaL55)

99 Some sci-fi I read made a world where the Muslims went jihad on technology.

And ... I'm ready to join them

There is zero privacy any more and all technology now is being used directly and indirectly to control you

Posted by: RoyalOil at December 17, 2020 11:25 AM (aO8Gd)

100 I want to start my own miserable homosexual family so we can then grift
off the federal government and legally spew hate and discontent where
ever we go.

Where to start, where to start.

FYI, I am a white female of European descent.

I gave blood the other day-- they test for COVID antibodies for free-- and told them that my race was "other" and my ethnicity was "other."

It's a small thing, but a start.

/today, I self identify as a brownish person from the middle east who might or might not be gender fluid

Posted by: shibumi, welcome to the shitshow at December 17, 2020 11:25 AM (ZCiJZ)

101 I have noticed Fox trying to tack Right again.

Not going to work, Murdock spawn. Fool me once....

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, Doctor of Housekeeping at December 17, 2020 11:26 AM (PiwSw)

102 We ran trillion dollar deficits while the economy was growing.

That's insanity.

No one cares.

Posted by: US DEBT CLOCK at December 17, 2020 11:26 AM (lOr+7)

103 Wallace fired just means Wallace unemployed for a few days. He has other gigs waiting.

Posted by: tubal at December 17, 2020 11:25 AM (bCLt0)

Slo-Joe's press sec.?

Posted by: BignJames at December 17, 2020 11:26 AM (AwYPR)

104 I'm a lesbian trapped in a male body - does that count?
Posted by: Tonypete at December 17, 2020 11:22 AM (Rvt8

Sure! Welcome Aboard!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 17, 2020 11:27 AM (KdF3o)

105 If this is true, it's super weird because I was assured by Fox that Chris had done such a great job in the presidential debate. Kind of weird to let a guy go after such a stellar job, you know?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, marching in the Felliniesque circus at December 17, 2020 11:25 AM (NWM+b)

It's all fun and games until Biden announces he's tapped Wallace to head up the NSA.

Posted by: clutch cargo now with 21% more FUCKITOL at December 17, 2020 11:27 AM (L8ADy)

106 101 I have noticed Fox trying to tack Right again.

Not going to work, Murdock spawn. Fool me once....
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, Doctor of Housekeeping at December 17, 2020 11:26 AM (PiwSw)

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"I'm sorry Mr. Murdoch, but your net worth has decreased below the minimum for the REALLY swanky cocktail party. You must go down one floor to the merely swanky cocktail party with only four kinds of caviar instead of six."

"I've made a huge mistake..."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, marching in the Felliniesque circus at December 17, 2020 11:27 AM (NWM+b)

107 Sure! Welcome Aboard!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 17, 2020 11:27 AM (KdF3o)
+++++++++++++
What if I'm gender-fluid, but the fluid is so extremely viscous that it hardens up like diamond within the livable temperature range for humans?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 17, 2020 11:28 AM (hYcqw)

108
*Munkey*

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 17, 2020 11:28 AM (EGyGV)

109 "I'm sorry Mr. Murdoch, but your net worth has decreased below the minimum for the REALLY swanky cocktail party. You must go down one floor to the merely swanky cocktail party with only four kinds of caviar instead of six."

"I've made a huge mistake..."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, marching in the Felliniesque circus at December 17, 2020 11:27 AM (NWM+b)
------------

Sounds a bit like, "Thanks for playing, here's your parting gift of flatware. Yes, follow that nice lady off the stage. Bye now!"

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at December 17, 2020 11:29 AM (WEBkv)

110 We ran trillion dollar deficits while the economy was growing.

That's insanity.

No one cares.
Posted by: US DEBT CLOCK at December 17, 2020 11:26 AM (lOr+7)

That's because huge amounts of it are going to A) the military-industrial complex, which the Republicans will always defend and B) Entitlement programs, which Democrats will always defend.

Imagine someone standing up, running for Congress on the the platform of "I will cut military spending and entitlement programs." Will that person get elected?

Posted by: Vanya, Minister of Fear at December 17, 2020 11:29 AM (gAFsE)

111 Unless they fired Wallace out of a canon and into the side of an adjacent building, I am not impressed.

Posted by: garrett at December 17, 2020 11:29 AM (iIBkE)

112 What if I'm gender-fluid, but the fluid is so extremely viscous that it hardens up like diamond within the livable temperature range for humans?
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)

If that lasts longer than four hours - well, you know what to do.

Posted by: Tonypete at December 17, 2020 11:29 AM (Rvt88)

113 Burn it down to the ground. Then, reconstitute America, largely as designed, back upon the ashes. I think it is useless to "conserve" the US as currently built.

Posted by: Boomer Redneque at December 17, 2020 11:29 AM (jFHY0)

114 Is it a TROLL coming to every new thread a blowing the margins?

Posted by: Braenyard at December 17, 2020 11:29 AM (CZm2G)

115 So I was beginning to peruse the latest edition of Consumer Reports (Jan. 2021) which is dedicated to smart home devices, when much to my surprise what do I find? Inside on page 3 is a short intro to their page 44 article on "Learning to Celebrate Blackness With Photography."

Anyone have a clue what that has to do with smart home devices?

Posted by: Al Yumineum at December 17, 2020 11:29 AM (mCH1F)

116 The only thing I owe on that I don't want to pay off immediately is my car loan, about $6K worth. I'm making double payments and plan to have it wiped out in a year. Aside from that, I pay off my credit cards each month and still am able to put a good bit of money aside.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at December 17, 2020 11:29 AM (yvr3o)

117
Willowed:

I've been aware of the Latin Mass for sometime and I wonder if it's time to check it out. Our church used to share space with a group that did the Latin mass and I can't imagine the people who attend going along with a heretic pope.

Posted by: Augustine at December 17, 2020 10:39 AM (Alp4m)

If you have a chance to experience the Tridentine Rite, I highly encourage it. It is very comforting and you feel as if you are worshipping, not being part of some happy-clappy therapy group.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 17, 2020 10:46 AM (2JVJo)

I can't recommend enough the experience of a Traditional Latin Mass. When you attend one, instead of the let's-greet-our-neighbor hootenanny of the Novus Ordo, you become immediately aware that Mass is a serious matter.

I don't want to question the canonical regularity of the Novus Ordo nor the piety of those attending, but the flock at a TLM seems more engaged in the ceremony, even if they're not singing or saying the responses. Every word and every gesture by the priest and servers have a meaning. There are books available there so you can follow what's going on at the altar.

Find a FSSP or an SSPX apostolate near you and try to go. It's well worth the time and effort.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 17, 2020 11:29 AM (mht8P)

118 I'm a lesbian trapped in a male body - does that count?
Posted by: Tonypete at December 17, 2020 11:22 AM (Rvt8

Sure! Welcome Aboard!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 17, 2020 11:27 AM (KdF3o)

nous sommes tous lesbiennes.

Posted by: clutch cargo now with 21% more FUCKITOL at December 17, 2020 11:29 AM (L8ADy)

119 There is a desperate need for a banking system separate from the big financial operations. That is the left's #1 most powerful and effective choke point: we all use the same basic bank, with multiple heads like a hydra.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 17, 2020 11:29 AM (KZzsI)

120
Even if Fox were to have a shareholder revolt, oust Lachlan Murdoch, and become a fire-breathing dissident network, it wouldn't be enough.

I'm here preaching unity, but some things can't be forgiven. They participated in the coup.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 17, 2020 11:29 AM (g4Dtb)

121 110 We ran trillion dollar deficits while the economy was growing.

That's insanity.

No one cares.
Posted by: US DEBT CLOCK at December 17, 2020 11:26 AM (lOr+7)

That's because huge amounts of it are going to A) the military-industrial complex, which the Republicans will always defend and B) Entitlement programs, which Democrats will always defend.

Imagine someone standing up, running for Congress on the the platform of "I will cut military spending and entitlement programs." Will that person get elected?
Posted by: Vanya, Minister of Fear at December 17, 2020 11:29 AM (gAFsE)

==========

"As long as it's not my social security and Medicare!"
-pretty much everyone

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, marching in the Felliniesque circus at December 17, 2020 11:29 AM (NWM+b)

122 >>> 76 How can we legally make government fear us? Is is possible?

Legally? What's legal about voter fraud? What's legal about Georgia allowing tens of thousands of illegal votes in their congressional runoff?

Our domestic enemies abandoned all thought of laws long ago. They aim to seize power By Any Means Necessary. And they're doing it right in front of us and daring us to stop them.

They will not stop on their own. This fact should be plainly evident by now. We will have to stop them.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy-Always believe what your TV says at December 17, 2020 11:22 AM (HaL55)

The left did not seize power by just going up to people and scaring them. By just thwarting the rules and laws. The first step was putting people into low levels of every institution. Then using these people to elevate the easily controlled into high places of those institutions. Then using the low level people as watchers they pull those few strings of the powerful of every institution thus controlling the rules and laws and the nation as a whole.

It's much easier to make your own creation afraid. Certainly, more afraid than what the "other", us in this case, can accomplish.

Posted by: banana Dream at December 17, 2020 11:30 AM (l6b3d)

123 >>Imagine someone standing up, running for Congress on the the platform of "I will cut military spending and entitlement programs.

Military spending creates jobs.

Actual jobs. Not just government jobs.

Posted by: garrett at December 17, 2020 11:30 AM (iIBkE)

124
What if I'm gender-fluid, but the fluid is so extremely viscous that it hardens up like diamond within the livable temperature range for humans?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 17, 2020 11:28 AM (hYcqw)

Just say that you identify as genderfluid only at the supercritical or triple point.

Let them try and deny it! It's SCIENCE.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at December 17, 2020 11:30 AM (6JL3d)

125 "As long as it's not my social security and Medicare!"
-pretty much everyone
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, marching in the Felliniesque circus at December 17, 2020 11:29 AM (NWM+b)

Yes. We have become largely a nation of NIMBY.

Posted by: Vanya, Minister of Fear at December 17, 2020 11:30 AM (gAFsE)

126 "The sort of corruption he uncovered invites foreign interference exactly like Russia and Snowden. Every government institution acts in a way to further extend their need. The crap that the US IC pulls creates foreign interference which they amplify and then point to in order to justify their own existence. Same for DOJ, same for DOD.

Being honest and open about the state of things, even spycraft, would start to solve problems. Which is why it will never be done. They're not protecting this nation. They're protecting their damned phony baloney jobs."

Trump and his allies brought peace to the Middle East (fracking making us energy independent and the ME countries fearing Iran helped). Tens of thousands of State Dep't people never managed to do it. Funny that.

Posted by: Margaret at December 17, 2020 11:30 AM (F2qnR)

127 The Immaculate Deception, - Peter Navarro Report

Six Key Dimensions of Election Irregularities

https://tinyurl.com/y9mwge9z

Back to the content

Posted by: Braenyard at December 17, 2020 11:31 AM (CZm2G)

128 HAHAAA National Review "under fire" for trashing Jill Biden's dissertation.

-
Professor Doctor Jill's students don't care for her.

https://bit.ly/3h4Bf2Y

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 17, 2020 11:31 AM (+y/Ru)

129 Find a FSSP or an SSPX apostolate near you and try to go. It's well worth the time and effort.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh

This man gets it.

Another liberating event for me and the family.

Posted by: Tonypete at December 17, 2020 11:31 AM (Rvt88)

130 This is true. The time has come to set aside
differences. Anyone who isn't a Communist, or one of their pets on the
"Right," needs to be welcomed. This includes even centrist Democrats.
And Libertarians. Hell, even the odd monarchist, if there are any of
those running around.

It's time to quit bickering with each other. Anyone who stands
against the Leftists who've taken power should be welcomed. If they're
just freedom-curious, they should be proselytized. We are, now, actually
"all in this together." This is the real crisis.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 17, 2020 11:20 AM (g4Dtb)

I think the walk away movement is a good sign of some people waking up. Even people who still consider themselves "liberal" can see the totalitarianism of the left and if you aren't spouting the party line you are unpersoned. Hopefully the blinders fall for more people.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 17, 2020 11:31 AM (byL7B)

131 >>How can we legally make government fear us? Is is possible?

Well, they abandoned the Constitution...so it's ALL Legal now.

Posted by: garrett at December 17, 2020 11:31 AM (iIBkE)

132 It's true that after decades of good financial habits it's actually hard to learn to spend it. Don't be the richest guy in the cemetary.
I did blow a wad on one of those $1,000 a day cruises but still couldn't do it until AFTER I'd made enough to pay for it that year.

Posted by: These fish sticks are hard as tits at December 17, 2020 11:31 AM (3AD8C)

133 I can truthfully identify as a Native American since my fambly has been on this land since 1750. Been literally checking that box for years.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy-Always believe what your TV says at December 17, 2020 11:31 AM (HaL55)

134 Posted by: TheJamesMadison, marching in the Felliniesque circus at December 17, 2020 11:23 AM (NWM+b)

Thankee

right back at you

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Pick your partners for the Dance at December 17, 2020 11:32 AM (ifmtJ)

135 133 I can truthfully identify as a Native American since my fambly has been on this land since 1750. Been literally checking that box for years.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy-Always believe what your TV says at December 17, 2020 11:31 AM (HaL55)

=========

1653.

*polishes nails*

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, marching in the Felliniesque circus at December 17, 2020 11:32 AM (NWM+b)

136 "As long as it's not my social security and Medicare!"
-pretty much everyone
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, marching in the Felliniesque circus at December 17, 2020 11:29 AM (NWM+b)
--------------

My wife and I are positioned so that we'll be able to survive cuts of up to 50% in SS and pension income.

Beyond that, well, we're probably entering Venezubabwe territory anyway and all bets are off.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at December 17, 2020 11:33 AM (WEBkv)

137 According to the New York Times, America's Newsletter of Record

Ben Carson, noted neurosurgeon, is Mr. Carson.

Jill Biden, noted politician's wife is Dr. Biden.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 17, 2020 11:20 AM (

That's racist isn't it?

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at December 17, 2020 11:33 AM (lgiXo)

138 SS is easy to solve:
Means test and then give those with the means to escape SS Tax benefits to make up for the money they had stolen from them.

Next problem.

Posted by: garrett at December 17, 2020 11:33 AM (iIBkE)

139 Awwww. Isn't that romantic?

NPR Politics
@nprpolitics
Pete Buttigieg, President-elect Biden's pick for transportation secretary, said he has "a personal love of transportation," recounting train trips on Amtrak while in college, and said he proposed to his now-husband, Chasten, in an airport terminal.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 17, 2020 11:33 AM (+y/Ru)

140
I can truthfully identify as a Native American since my fambly has been on this land since 1750. Been literally checking that box for years.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy-Always believe what your TV says at December 17, 2020 11:31 AM (HaL55)

----------

Just so long as you're not a Melungeon or a Redbone.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 17, 2020 11:33 AM (mht8P)

141 Military spending creates jobs.

Actual jobs. Not just government jobs.

Posted by: garrett at December 17, 2020 11:30 AM (iIBkE)

That's not the point. They are huge rice bowls that will be defended by partisan politics in DC, that account for trillions in federal outlay ever year.

Posted by: Vanya, Minister of Fear at December 17, 2020 11:33 AM (gAFsE)

142 Also, tossing my hat into the ring with the other gentlemen who are actually nymphomaniac lesbians at heart.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at December 17, 2020 11:33 AM (6JL3d)

143 139 Awwww. Isn't that romantic?

NPR Politics
@nprpolitics
Pete Buttigieg, President-elect Biden's pick for transportation secretary, said he has "a personal love of transportation," recounting train trips on Amtrak while in college, and said he proposed to his now-husband, Chasten, in an airport terminal.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 17, 2020 11:33 AM (+y/Ru)

==========

Translation:

"I know I'm unqualified for this job, but my gayness makes up for it, haters."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, marching in the Felliniesque circus at December 17, 2020 11:33 AM (NWM+b)

144
HAHAAA National Review "under fire" for trashing Jill Biden's dissertation.

Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of commie cocksucking losers. Hope you enjoy your new team, fags!
Posted by: Eli Cash at December 17, 2020 11:15 AM (SScvq)

Yup. They will try to worm their way back into the good graces of the Right now that we're out of power again, so they can keep us that way.

But it won't work - the illusion is shattered. They are fools and relics of the old regime, and nobody wants them anymore. Nobody.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 17, 2020 11:33 AM (g4Dtb)

145 1653.

*polishes nails*

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, marching in the Felliniesque circus at December 17, 2020 11:32 AM (NWM+b)

1621

noob

Posted by: BignJames at December 17, 2020 11:34 AM (AwYPR)

146 1653.

*polishes nails*
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, marching in the Felliniesque circus

Hah! Have to look it up but I think our people got off the boat at the next slip over from your's at the same time. "The Glasgow" in Philly.

Posted by: Tonypete at December 17, 2020 11:35 AM (Rvt88)

147 SS is easy to solve:
Means test and then give those with the means to escape SS Tax benefits to make up for the money they had stolen from them.

Next problem.
Posted by: garrett at December 17, 2020 11:33 AM (iIBkE)
++++++++++++++
That's one approach. Adjusting the retirement age is another. There are lots of potential solutions. Social Security is a solvable problem.

The real killer is Medicare. Medicare is the budget-destroying monster ready to be unleashed. Medicare cannot be fixed, and likely isn't even survivable (from a budget standpoint) without massive broad-reaching reform of the entire medical system.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 17, 2020 11:35 AM (hYcqw)

148 HAHAAA National Review "under fire" for trashing Jill Biden's dissertation.

Why would they be under fire for reviewing a public document by a public figure? That doesn't make any kind of sense.

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at December 17, 2020 11:35 AM (lgiXo)

149 Unfortunately Brian of New Orleans was correct about some on the Right going overboard in their pursuit of conspiracies though as always he's a condescending ah when he presents his positions.

An ex HPD captain who has an investigation firm in Houston was hired by a group called Liberty for God to investigate the various voter fraud theories in Harris county. He was recently arrested for running a truck off the road and tricking the driver to help him , pretending to be injured, when he pulled a gun on him and held him hostage. He believed the driver of the truck was carrying 750,000 fraudulent ballots . Unfortunately for him, the guy was an HVAC guy carrying A/C parts.

Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks, Look at me at December 17, 2020 11:35 AM (2DOZq)

150
1621

noob
Posted by: BignJames at December 17, 2020 11:34 AM (AwYPR)

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Proud heir of peasant scum pumped from the bilges of immigrant ships.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 17, 2020 11:35 AM (mht8P)

151 This.
For some reason her posts there are relegated to the wee hours where they're less seen and commented on.
Posted by: President Elect Lebron Horowitz

I believe she's an insomniac.

Posted by: MarkY at December 17, 2020 11:35 AM (i022r)

152
135 133 I can truthfully identify as a Native American since my fambly has been on this land since 1750. Been literally checking that box for years.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy-Always believe what your TV says at December 17, 2020 11:31 AM (HaL55)

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1653.

*polishes nails*
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, marching in the Felliniesque circus at December 17, 2020 11:32 AM (NWM+b)

Indentured, in the 1700's. The other half from emptying the Belfast streets in the early 1800's. Obviously royalty, eh?

Posted by: tubal at December 17, 2020 11:35 AM (bCLt0)

153 Even if Fox were to have a shareholder revolt, oust Lachlan Murdoch, and become a fire-breathing dissident network, it wouldn't be enough.

-
Like adding lifeboats to the Titanic after it went down.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 17, 2020 11:35 AM (+y/Ru)

154 murum aries attigit

Posted by: that guy that says murum aries attigit at December 17, 2020 11:35 AM (NSmDz)

155 Anyone else not surprised that competence has been discarded for political correctness in the Biden administration?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at December 17, 2020 11:36 AM (WEBkv)

156 What's the saying? "We must all hang together or we will surely hang separately." Something like that.

Posted by: President-elect Emmie at December 17, 2020 11:36 AM (ofYez)

157 152
Indentured, in the 1700's. The other half from emptying the Belfast streets in the early 1800's. Obviously royalty, eh?
Posted by: tubal at December 17, 2020 11:35 AM (bCLt0)

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I can sense the white privilege.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, marching in the Felliniesque circus at December 17, 2020 11:36 AM (NWM+b)

158 >>> NPR Politics
@nprpolitics
Pete Buttigieg, President-elect Biden's pick for transportation secretary, said he has "a personal love of transportation,"
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 17, 2020 11:33 AM (+y/Ru)

Anyone reminiscing about zombie?

Posted by: banana Dream at December 17, 2020 11:36 AM (l6b3d)

159 I'm here preaching unity, but some things can't be forgiven. They participated in the coup.

I agree. Some things are so bad they cannot be wiped away with a "sorry" and a change of personnel.

In 2012, I stated that we had lost the republic irrevocably. There was a tiny, slim hope but with so many people voting for an openly socialist, corrosive, destructive president, I knew the nation was no longer a system of representative government. The constitution was meaningless.

In 2016 I stated that we might have lost the country, but Hillary lost. It was a reprieve, but we avoided a terrible disaster for four years. People mocked me, or misunderstood me, but it was true.

Well, folks, we've lost America. We're no longer the country we once were, not the nation the founders created. Its a lot like watching Rome collapse, you can see the point at which it was too late and was ruined step by step. The rotted shell of Rome continued to stagger on for a while, but eventually it fell to pieces. But at a certain point it was no longer Rome, not the nation it was founded to be.

Where we go from here, I do not know but all the things we have taken for granted and known for our whole lives, for generations before us, are no longer certain or even existent. The vote. Liberty. Justice. The Constitution. Our national Heritage.

They won.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 17, 2020 11:36 AM (KZzsI)

160 The real killer is Medicare. Medicare is the budget-destroying monster ready to be unleashed. Medicare cannot be fixed, and likely isn't even survivable (from a budget standpoint) without massive broad-reaching reform of the entire medical system.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 17, 2020 11:35 AM (hYcqw)

And since the Left doesn't want to hear anything except Single Payer, you can be assured that the cure will be worse than the disease.

Posted by: Vanya, Minister of Fear at December 17, 2020 11:36 AM (gAFsE)

161 >>That's not the point. They are huge rice bowls that will be defended by partisan politics in DC, that account for trillions in federal outlay ever year.

AND we should be spending on our Defense and the fact that doing so creates domestic employment opportunities in private businesses is a net benefit to society on multiple levels.

The solution for the graft involved is through slaving 'Civil Service' to increased IRS scrutiny and Taxation if they enter into post service contracts in said industries.

Posted by: garrett at December 17, 2020 11:36 AM (iIBkE)

162 Buttigieg is eminently qualified for being Transportation Secretary, as the job just involves rubber-stamping whatever he told to do by those running "Joe Biden."

Posted by: Revenant at December 17, 2020 11:37 AM (//ATM)

163 Willowed:

I've been aware of the Latin Mass for sometime and I wonder if
it's time to check it out. Our church used to share space with a group
that did the Latin mass and I can't imagine the people who attend going
along with a heretic pope.

Posted by: Augustine at December 17, 2020 10:39 AM (Alp4m)

If you have a chance to experience the Tridentine Rite, I highly
encourage it. It is very comforting and you feel as if you are
worshipping, not being part of some happy-clappy therapy group.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 17, 2020 10:46 AM (2JVJo)

Thirded. I went to a very liberal Catholic high school and gave up religion after I graduated because of how nauseating it was at that school. Years later a local church started to have the Latin Mass and I went just to see what it was like and it made a huge impact on me. I would also highly recommend it. It is so much better than the group hug bullshit the leftist churches have.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 17, 2020 11:37 AM (byL7B)

164 154 murum aries attigit
Posted by: that guy that says murum aries attigit at December 17, 2020 11:35 AM (NSmDz)

I like this thinking

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Pick your partners for the Dance at December 17, 2020 11:37 AM (ifmtJ)

165 I good move is to homeschool. No way would I be sending my kids to those commie indoctrination camps. I routinely vote against ANYTHING public school related including more schools, bonds, raises for teachers yada yada.
Reduce or eliminate your tax burden. Read that tax code. Taxes are rent money to the beast.

Posted by: The Walking Dude at December 17, 2020 11:37 AM (cCxiu)

166 I also like Rome, Season 1.

Good stuff.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Pick your partners for the Dance at December 17, 2020 11:38 AM (ifmtJ)

167 CRT
I think the election fraud has been going on for years, and I now doubt whether (as someone above said) the leftists have really won an election at all!

Posted by: MarkY at December 17, 2020 11:38 AM (i022r)

168 23- I knuckled down and lived like a monk until I paid everything off. I am debt-free now, and have been for several years. I will never go into debt again if I can help it. I felt both liberated *and* rich when I sent that final payment away. I also got used to frugality and deferred gratification, which are habits that have stuck with me. My lifestyle is more lavish now, but actually not by a whole lot. I still save a lot and live below my means. It keeps me free. I can quit my job or get fired without it being an existential crisis. I can take low-value work if needed or desired, and still keep my head above water.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 17, 2020 11:08 AM

My zenith came in the mid-90s. Most of the debt was accumulated in my first few years after college. My job paid so little that I actually had to take out cash advances just to eat. My palms used to start sweating whenever I thought of all the debt I had. When I got a slightly higher paying job, I used the Dave Ramsey method (before he popularized it) of paying the lowest card off first and minimums on everything else until everything was paid off. Switched the big debt to cards that offered low or 0% interest for the first year. It took me a couple of years, but once I was out of debt, every raise and bonus was like found money. I started maxing out my 401k, including the over-50 catch-up and generally use only my AMEX card that I pay off every month. By the time I got laid off from my job, I had already passed and then doubled my retirement savings goal.

Whenever I talk to any young person about finances, my first piece of advice is "if you're in debt, get out, and if you're not, don't ever get in". I know that the current environment makes that hard, but it made all the difference in the world to me.

Posted by: Moonbeam at December 17, 2020 11:38 AM (qe5CM)

169 Why would they be under fire for reviewing a public document by a public figure? That doesn't make any kind of sense.

In the past no, it would not.

But we're in the New America, where actions and justice, virtue, and ethics are based on who they affect, and how they impact the narrative. Its a new religious system where sins are decided by the elites, and change every day.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 17, 2020 11:38 AM (KZzsI)

170 160 The real killer is Medicare. Medicare is the budget-destroying monster ready to be unleashed. Medicare cannot be fixed, and likely isn't even survivable (from a budget standpoint) without massive broad-reaching reform of the entire medical system.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 17, 2020 11:35 AM (hYcqw)

And since the Left doesn't want to hear anything except Single Payer, you can be assured that the cure will be worse than the disease.
Posted by: Vanya, Minister of Fear at December 17, 2020 11:36 AM (gAFsE)

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The double blind study of Medicare results in Oregon from a decade or so ago should have been the beginning of the end for the whole program.

Did Medicare improve health results for those in the program versus those without any kind of insurance?

No. There was a modest improvement in personal perception of their financial situation, though.

That's what we're buying for $1 trillion a year. We're buying a slight sense of security for people on the program.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, marching in the Felliniesque circus at December 17, 2020 11:38 AM (NWM+b)

171 Proud heir of peasant scum pumped from the bilges of immigrant ships.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 17, 2020 11:35 AM (mht8P)

Same here.

Posted by: Vanya, Minister of Fear at December 17, 2020 11:38 AM (gAFsE)

172 I've been thinking what I want for Christmas. Seeing Adam Schiff dying in the gutter is the only thing I can think of. Do you think Santa can deliver a curb stomping?

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 17, 2020 11:38 AM (XJfQq)

173 hiya

Posted by: JT at December 17, 2020 11:39 AM (arJlL)

174 I suppose Buttigieg loves it when someone transports semen into his anus.

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at December 17, 2020 11:39 AM (lgiXo)

175 The real killer is Medicare. Medicare is the budget-destroying monster ready to be unleashed. Medicare cannot be fixed, and likely isn't even survivable (from a budget standpoint) without massive broad-reaching reform of the entire medical system.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 17, 2020 11:35 AM (hYcqw)
---------------

Don't bring up Medicare to my wife. She's still upset she was forced to join that system.

If anyone is interested, beyond a certain point, one has to become part of Medicare. There is no choice in the matter. And, if one has the means to pay premiums, Medicare makes sure you pay.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at December 17, 2020 11:39 AM (WEBkv)

176 Military spending creates jobs.

Actual jobs. Not just government jobs.

Posted by: garrett at December 17, 2020 11:30 AM (iIBkE)

The government creates work.

The private sector creates jobs.

Posted by: Deep State 910 at December 17, 2020 11:39 AM (XH/UL)

177 Awwww. Isn't that romantic?

NPR Politics

@nprpolitics

Pete Buttigieg, President-elect Biden's pick for transportation
secretary, said he has "a personal love of transportation," recounting
train trips on Amtrak while in college, and said he proposed to his
now-husband, Chasten, in an airport terminal.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 17, 2020 11:33 AM (+y/Ru)

Shoe Leather Biden: I thought he's married to a gal named Kristen?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 17, 2020 11:39 AM (byL7B)

178 166 I also like Rome, Season 1.

Good stuff.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Pick your partners for the Dance at December 17, 2020 11:38 AM (ifmtJ)

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Paris Season 3 is just below Prague Season 7 but above Dublin Season 4.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, marching in the Felliniesque circus at December 17, 2020 11:39 AM (NWM+b)

179 Speaking of SpaceX, I've been watching a lot of the Mobile Suit Gundam OVAs lately and that naturally made me remember how the space colonies in the Universal Century timeline were based on real life concepts proposed by physicist Gerald K. O'Neill. But my rabbit hole didn't end there. I came upon a recent article in which Jeff Bezos proposed building O'Neill cylinders instead of attempting to colonize other planets. Life imitating art again.

Posted by: Augustine at December 17, 2020 11:39 AM (Alp4m)

180 Medicare not the problem as much as Medicaid. That supposed safety net is bankrupting the system.

Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks, Look at me at December 17, 2020 11:39 AM (2DOZq)

181 "This may take some time; reducing expenses is a painful process for
most. But the McMansions, vacations, credit cards, fancy meals, and all
the rest are luxuries one can live without, particularly when one
recognizes them as tools of social control."

---

It's pretty simple actually. When we were moving to Texas our credit Union said we could "afford" a $500,000 house. The wife and I went over the math and yes we could afford a monthly mortgage payment to cover that price.

But we didn't "want" a mortgage payment that high so we bought a $250,000 house.

It's all about making smart personal decisions, something that is not taught enough in today's society.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at December 17, 2020 11:39 AM (JUOKG)

182 why do i have to beg people to do their jobs?

Posted by: nurse ratched at December 17, 2020 11:39 AM (W2Pud)

183 120
Even if Fox were to have a shareholder revolt, oust Lachlan Murdoch, and become a fire-breathing dissident network, it wouldn't be enough.

I'm here preaching unity, but some things can't be forgiven. They participated in the coup.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 17, 2020 11:29 AM (g4Dtb)

As someone who abstained from voting for Trump in 2016 (voted for Chip Gaines), I am willing to give anyone a chance when it comes to jumping on the bandwagon.

But you're 100% right. They were part of the coup and even now, I suspect that they feel Biden will officially be installed and can go back to being the face of the conservative resistance.

If it weren't for them, there may not be a need for a conservative resistance. They can rot.

Posted by: Grip the Weasel at December 17, 2020 11:40 AM (KbCG3)

184 SS is easy to solve:
Means test and then give those with the means to escape SS Tax benefits to make up for the money they had stolen from them.
Next problem.
Posted by: garrett at December 17, 2020 11:33 AM (iIBkE)

Great idea! I was thinking payoff mawmaw and papaw with a lump sum of the amount they actually paid into the Ponzi scheme then tell them to go away.

The horror, the horror.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 17, 2020 11:40 AM (KdF3o)

185 Buttigieg is eminently qualified for being Transportation Secretary, as the job just involves rubber-stamping whatever he told to do by those running "Joe Biden."
Posted by: Revenant at December 17, 2020 11:37 AM (//ATM)

A lot of fiat money being pushed into high speed rail, I think.

Posted by: Vanya, Minister of Fear at December 17, 2020 11:40 AM (gAFsE)

186 Mitch needs my help!
Another fucking commercial.

GFY Mitch and your so called Republicans.

Posted by: GOP Stress Toys. Squeeze Us! at December 17, 2020 11:40 AM (uc+oy)

187 I think the election fraud has been going on for years, and I now doubt whether (as someone above said) the leftists have really won an election at all!

Sure, its been going on since there were elections. There was election fraud in ancient Greece. There has been election fraud every presidential election, by both sides in some cases.

But not at this scale, not this blatant, not this obvious and widely admitted -- most of the country knows it was faked -- and despite all that, successful. Courts in the past have stopped and nailed fraudsters. Not this time, they have protected it, endorsed it.

This is different. Its the end of elections.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 17, 2020 11:40 AM (KZzsI)

188 178 166 I also like Rome, Season 1.

Good stuff.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Pick your partners for the Dance at December 17, 2020 11:38 AM (ifmtJ)

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Paris Season 3 is just below Prague Season 7 but above Dublin Season 4.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, marching in the Felliniesque circus at December 17, 2020 11:39 AM (NWM+b)

Ugh, Dublin after season 3 is all downhill

#CromwellDidNothingWrong

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Pick your partners for the Dance at December 17, 2020 11:40 AM (ifmtJ)

189 >>The government creates work.

>>The private sector creates jobs.

Don't be fatuous.

Posted by: garrett at December 17, 2020 11:40 AM (iIBkE)

190 26 Regardless of the tactics, we have to rebuild the America that we desire, the one that the Left has carefully and methodically dismantled.

There's only one way. And it involves a literal ton of body bags.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2020 11:09 AM (Yo3dV)

Agree. The communists/deep state need the fear of death threatened against them. Force is the only thing they understand.

Posted by: Justsayin' at December 17, 2020 11:40 AM (Fs5vw)

191 twatter says fox fired crhis cuck wallace

Posted by: vmom Trump Won! at December 17, 2020 11:10 AM (nUhF0)

+++++++++++

Dear Fox,

Cool. I am glad to hear this news. I would, however advise you to keep the expression, "too little, too late" firmly in mind.

Sincerely,

- Never coming back ever so continue fucking directly off

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 17, 2020 11:20 AM (hYcqw)

This. They deserve to die the death they earned. If for no other reason than their rotting corpse will serve as an object lesson to all who would betray the American people (McConnell, I am looking at you).

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at December 17, 2020 11:41 AM (946rW)

192 @nprpolitics
Pete Buttigieg, President-elect Biden's pick for transportation secretary, said he has "a personal love of transportation,"
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks

Econoline van tailpipes rejoice!

Posted by: Just a Random Thought at December 17, 2020 11:41 AM (FTlwv)

193 Whenever I talk to any young person about finances, my first piece of advice is "if you're in debt, get out, and if you're not, don't ever get in". I know that the current environment makes that hard, but it made all the difference in the world to me.
------------------
You do know this will impact the Loan Shark State don't you? President Biden will be very upset with you.

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 17, 2020 11:41 AM (XJfQq)

194 why do i have to beg people to do their jobs?
Posted by: nurse ratched

Because someone gave you more responsibility than authority?

Posted by: MarkY at December 17, 2020 11:41 AM (i022r)

195 There is no choice in the matter. And, if one has the means to pay premiums, Medicare makes sure you pay.

We all need to sign on to every government program in existence that we can possibly get. All of them, for everything.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 17, 2020 11:41 AM (KZzsI)

196 NPR Politics
@nprpolitics
Pete Buttigieg, President-elect Biden's pick for transportation secretary, said he has "a personal love of transportation," recounting train trips on Amtrak while in college, and said he proposed to his now-husband, Chasten, in an airport terminal.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 17, 2020 11:33 AM (+y/Ru)

I think I'm gonna go hurl now.

Posted by: WeBoned! at December 17, 2020 11:42 AM (8k7U7)

197 194 why do i have to beg people to do their jobs?
Posted by: nurse ratched

Because someone gave you more responsibility than authority?
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Dis be true.

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 17, 2020 11:42 AM (XJfQq)

198 We will have to go through the process of trying to be revolutionary and militant without being inconvenienced I am araid.

Posted by: tubal at December 17, 2020 11:42 AM (bCLt0)

199 Off, ancient sock

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at December 17, 2020 11:42 AM (FTlwv)

200 I also like Rome, Season 1.

Good stuff.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Pick your partners for the Dance at December 17, 2020 11:38 AM (ifmtJ)

===========

Paris Season 3 is just below Prague Season 7 but above Dublin Season 4.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, marching in the Felliniesque circus

It's all Sodom Season 1 these days.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 17, 2020 11:43 AM (+y/Ru)

201
81 Speaking of debt.

No one will stop the deficit spending.

Quite the opposite, spending will increase significantly.

Soon.
Posted by: US DEBT CLOCK at December 17, 2020 11:22 AM (lOr+7)

Yep, the US dollar index is down quite a bit right now.

Posted by: clutch at December 17, 2020 11:43 AM (9UmRs)

202 Here's the thing about math.

It always wins in the end.

You can only paper over things and play shell games for so long.

Posted by: US DEBT CLOCK at December 17, 2020 11:43 AM (lOr+7)

203 By the end of January, Hubbymayhem and I will have no debt except the mortgage. Then we plan to start getting that whittled down quicker.
Unfortunately, due to serious structural problems with our house, we will have to get another mortgage. Whether it is to fix the problems or say fuckitall and put in a double wide remains to be decided.

Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at December 17, 2020 11:43 AM (Vxu+H)

204 149
Unfortunately Brian of New Orleans was correct about some on the Right
going overboard in their pursuit of conspiracies though as always he's a
condescending ah when he presents his positions.

An ex HPD captain who has an investigation firm in Houston was
hired by a group called Liberty for God to investigate the various voter
fraud theories in Harris county. He was recently arrested for running
a truck off the road and tricking the driver to help him , pretending
to be injured, when he pulled a gun on him and held him hostage. He
believed the driver of the truck was carrying 750,000 fraudulent ballots
. Unfortunately for him, the guy was an HVAC guy carrying A/C parts.

Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks, Look at me at December 17, 2020 11:35 AM (2DOZq)

I really don't mean to be condescending unless I'm being attacked. I think the disconnect is that I'm almost always doing other things when browsing here and don't spend much time crafting my comments.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 17, 2020 11:43 AM (CQ3Qb)

205 @181 I've told this story here before, but when we were house shopping a few years ago, the mortgage company called to congratulate me because per their calculation, we could totally afford a half million dollar house, and I literally howled with laughter. The nice lady on the phone was very confused.

Posted by: Mrs. Peel at December 17, 2020 11:43 AM (rWZ8Y)

206 And since the Left doesn't want to hear anything except Single Payer, you can be assured that the cure will be worse than the disease.
Posted by: Vanya, Minister of Fear at December 17, 2020 11:36 AM (gAFsE)
+++++++++++++
And single-payer will solve the problem in terms of the cash furnace. It is a bad solution, but is *a* solution. If they take over the entire system, then they can reduce costs by reducing access. Now, they probably *wouldn't* reduce access and thus make the problem much worse, but single-payer is a workable solution to the problem - albeit a very bad one. You can have universal coverage or you can universal access, but you cannot have both. I imagine that a US single-payer system would try to have its cake and eat it too for several years and just bring the reckoning closer than leaving Medicare alone.*

* Just in case it isn't clear, I am not an advocate for a single-payer medical system and I think it would be an unmitigated practical disaster as well as a morally indefensible system.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 17, 2020 11:43 AM (hYcqw)

207 185 Buttigieg is eminently qualified for being Transportation Secretary, as the job just involves rubber-stamping whatever he told to do by those running "Joe Biden."
Posted by: Revenant at December 17, 2020 11:37 AM (//ATM)

A lot of fiat money being pushed into high speed rail, I think.
--------------------
Buttigieg has a lot of experince with running trains.

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 17, 2020 11:43 AM (XJfQq)

208 snow for sale, cheap

Posted by: REDACTED at December 17, 2020 11:44 AM (zZxh0)

209 205 @181 I've told this story here before, but when we were house shopping a few years ago, the mortgage company called to congratulate me because per their calculation, we could totally afford a half million dollar house, and I literally howled with laughter. The nice lady on the phone was very confused.
Posted by: Mrs. Peel at December 17, 2020 11:43 AM (rWZ8Y)

=========

We were eligible for about a million.

We settled on half that.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, marching in the Felliniesque circus at December 17, 2020 11:44 AM (NWM+b)

210 This guy got convicted of insurance fraud and arson cause his pacemaker log said his heart rate never went up.

This other guy was able to prove he was home because his Xbox data showed he was playing Madden and was sending and receiving data.

The stores are using the cameras to track your habits and mood, i.e, read you face. That's why the layout is always changing-- to get you to buy more.
That's the innocent part.

Amazon sells computing power-- so they can easily have the power to brute-force hack.

All of your cell phone data is downloaded to your car when you pair your phone, e.g. all your texts are saved in you car

Posted by: RoyalOil at December 17, 2020 11:44 AM (aO8Gd)

211

*hic*

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at December 17, 2020 11:44 AM (K2SnJ)

212
Pete Buttigieg, President-elect Biden's pick for transportation
secretary, said he has "a personal love of transportation," recounting
train trips on Amtrak while in college, and said he proposed to his
now-husband, Chasten, in an airport terminal.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 17, 2020 11:33 AM (+y/Ru)

He made sure his stance was wide and then popped the question.

Posted by: DAK at December 17, 2020 11:44 AM (PtOP4)

213 There is no choice in the matter. And, if one has the means to pay premiums, Medicare makes sure you pay.

We all need to sign on to every government program in existence that we can possibly get. All of them, for everything.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

If you are a white male, fuggetaboutit.

You don't qualify.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2020 11:44 AM (Yo3dV)

214
Yep, the US dollar index is down quite a bit right now.
Posted by: clutch at December 17, 2020 11:43 AM (9UmRs)

What's the over/under on when the run on the banks starts?

I'm saying June.

Posted by: Vanya, Minister of Fear at December 17, 2020 11:44 AM (gAFsE)

215 167
CRT

I think the election fraud has been going on for years, and I now
doubt whether (as someone above said) the leftists have really won an
election at all!

Posted by: MarkY at December 17, 2020 11:38 AM (i022r)

Election fraud has been going on for as long as elections have.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 17, 2020 11:44 AM (CQ3Qb)

216 On the debt side of the thread, I have a mortgage but credit cards get paid off every month.

I have a modest savings in the back.

I'm not great at saving but I typically adjust my spending to stay within my paycheck.

Both cars are paid off, fucking Beemer costs a grand every time something goes wrong, though. But..at this point it's cheaper to maintain it than to buy another car.

If I could break my habit of eating out and buying firearms, I'd have even more savings.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Pick your partners for the Dance at December 17, 2020 11:44 AM (ifmtJ)

217 I really don't mean to be condescending unless I'm being attacked. I think the disconnect is that I'm almost always doing other things when browsing here and don't spend much time crafting my comments.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 17, 2020 11:43 AM (CQ3Qb)

Be Better!

Posted by: WeBoned! at December 17, 2020 11:45 AM (8k7U7)

218 If you are a white male, fuggetaboutit.

You don't qualify.

You can, but you have to be a woeful mess of a person.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 17, 2020 11:45 AM (KZzsI)

219 All of your cell phone data is downloaded to your car when you pair your phone, e.g. all your texts are saved in you car
Posted by: RoyalOil

My 2007 Ranger says what???

Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2020 11:46 AM (Yo3dV)

220 Medicare not the problem as much as Medicaid. That supposed safety net is bankrupting the system.
Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks, Look at me at December 17, 2020 11:39 AM (2DOZq)
+++++++++++++
Medicare is much larger than Medicaid, but Medicaid is catching up toot sweet. Fixing either isn't enough - it has to be fixed across the board and systemically.

Trump took some initial critical steps in this regard (price transparency), but it will amount to nothing because it will be repealed.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 17, 2020 11:46 AM (hYcqw)

221
I think the election fraud has been going on for years, and I now
doubt whether (as someone above said) the leftists have really won an
election at all!

Sure, its been going on since there were elections. There was
election fraud in ancient Greece. There has been election fraud every
presidential election, by both sides in some cases.

But not at this scale, not this blatant, not this obvious and widely
admitted -- most of the country knows it was faked -- and despite all
that, successful. Courts in the past have stopped and nailed
fraudsters. Not this time, they have protected it, endorsed it.

This is different. Its the end of elections.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 17, 2020 11:40 AM (KZzsI)

The system still has a chance to correct this. If it does not, the system is dead as Kelsey's nuts.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at December 17, 2020 11:46 AM (946rW)

222 By the end of January, Hubbymayhem and I will have
no debt except the mortgage. Then we plan to start getting that
whittled down quicker.

Unfortunately, due to serious structural problems with our house, we
will have to get another mortgage. Whether it is to fix the problems or
say fuckitall and put in a double wide remains to be decided.

Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at December 17, 2020 11:43 AM

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Remember, God hates trailers. Just sayin......

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at December 17, 2020 11:46 AM (JUOKG)

223 Pete Buttigieg, President-elect Biden's pick for transportation secretary, said he has "a personal love of transportation," recounting train trips on Amtrak while in college, and said he proposed to his now-husband, Chasten, in an airport ~~terminal~~ restroom.

keepin' it real.

Posted by: BignJames at December 17, 2020 11:46 AM (AwYPR)

224 "There's only one way. And it involves a literal ton of body bags" rick

imo that is not strategic. The war is "us versus them". Precision targeting of some of them does not involve us in the streets fighting the masses. Seth, Epstein, many other Arkancides ... indicate they know how to play mafia don, and threaten a few people to keep others in line.

"They" work hard at keeping us divided and fighting each other. That is their "Art of War" tactic. Trump won by aligning US against the DC Cartel ... Cruz came up with that title, but Trump was stronger as an outsider.

"They" had to fund Antifa and BLM ... had to pay the hard core violent ones ... but sure, got some masses to join in. That is not where the fight should be. imo. But exactly how to hit them, or their interests ... others can figure that out. The enemy planned to take America without firing a shot ... we should reveal them and what they have done. If some shooting is required, make it precision attacks .... start with ??? idk, paid Soros stooges maybe? The next generation will have to figure that out.

Posted by: Illiniwek at December 17, 2020 11:46 AM (Cus5s)

225 Don't be fatuous.

Posted by: garrett at December 17, 2020 11:40 AM (iIBkE)

Not trying to be.

Work is temporary. Jobs go on.

The military spending creates, to the most part, jobs.

The grifter at the DMV just does work, creating nothing.

Posted by: Deep State 910 at December 17, 2020 11:47 AM (XH/UL)

226 216 If I could break my habit of eating out and buying firearms, I'd have even more savings.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Pick your partners for the Dance at December 17, 2020 11:44 AM (ifmtJ)

==========

My only purchases are movies, and I keep that to about $100 a month.

Outside of that, the household is mostly interested in getting out of the second of two student loans as fast as possible (should be March of 2022).

We've been saddled with large debt payments since we left grad school, and we desperately don't want to have to deal with it anymore.

But life is going to change once that and the second car get paid off. What will we do with all this extra money every month? It's not just the base payments, but the extra that we budget for every month. It's going to be a difference of a few thousand dollars every month.

I don't know what to do with that kind of money.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, marching in the Felliniesque circus at December 17, 2020 11:47 AM (NWM+b)

227 190 26 Regardless of the tactics, we have to rebuild the America that we desire, the one that the Left has carefully and methodically dismantled.

There's only one way. And it involves a literal ton of body bags.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2020 11:09 AM (Yo3dV)

Agree. The communists/deep state need the fear of death threatened against them. Force is the only thing they understand.

Posted by: Justsayin' at December 17, 2020 11:40 AM (Fs5vw)

***

Sadly, this.
And as referenced above organization.
"But that's not all. He discusses intellectual independence, the need for organization, and I think the crux of the problem: the need for solidarity."

5000 people marching on a state capital might get 15 seconds on the evening news. But 50,000 will get coverage.
Picketing a local university won't even make the paper, but 5,000 people blockading it for a week will.
A march against corrupt media won't get any coverage at all, but burn a thousand newspapers in the street out front, yeah, that drives the point home.
A statewide strike.
A nationwide strike.
This take organization, and falls short of violence, which must be prepared for.
And it will work.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 17, 2020 11:47 AM (axyOa)

228 Buttplug announces new addition to Interstate Roadway

The Hershey Highway

Posted by: REDACTED at December 17, 2020 11:47 AM (zZxh0)

229 I see the hostiles are after the Atlanta Braves now.

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 17, 2020 11:47 AM (XJfQq)

230 What's the over/under on when the run on the banks starts?

I'm saying June.

Posted by: Vanya, Minister of Fear at December 17, 2020 11:44 AM

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A bit late to actually do anything about it unless you have been stock piling precious metals and the like.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at December 17, 2020 11:47 AM (JUOKG)

231 My husband and I were strongly anti-debt. We sacrificed a lot to get everything paid off when we were young.

When I was widowed unexpectedly, being debt free saved my life.

Posted by: Ladyl at December 17, 2020 11:47 AM (TdMsT)

232 During the 90's when that saying...No Fear... got big, I picked up a....Fear God... T-shirt at the Harvest Crusade. Wore it the fuck out, people used to do double takes when they read it.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at December 17, 2020 11:48 AM (JAQN/)

233 Election fraud has been going on for as long as elections have.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans

As was said, and I realize I didn't make my point well.
I believe that the left hasn't really outvoted the right in major US cities for years... maybe ever.
We all just assumed what we were hearing was true.
US major cities are the ONLY place the left consistently has won, and it has overwhelmed the rural areas.
If that's all a lie, then think about that for a bit...

Posted by: MarkY at December 17, 2020 11:48 AM (i022r)

234 229 I see the hostiles are after the Atlanta Braves now.
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 17, 2020 11:47 AM (XJfQq)

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It's a great time for MLB to start caving to 20 people on Twitter, just as the American public is throwing up its hands and saying, "fuck it" to cultural imperialism.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, marching in the Felliniesque circus at December 17, 2020 11:48 AM (NWM+b)

235 I don't know what to do with that kind of money.
--------------------
Titty Bars exist James.

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 17, 2020 11:48 AM (XJfQq)

236 130- I think the walk away movement is a good sign of some people waking up. Even people who still consider themselves "liberal" can see the totalitarianism of the left and if you aren't spouting the party line you are unpersoned. Hopefully the blinders fall for more people.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 17, 2020 11:31 AM

I have thought about this, but I wonder whether they walked away for Trump only. I am concerned that a lot of groups that Trump brought to the party will not stick around for the 2024 candidate. Unless it's Trump, of course!

Posted by: Moonbeam at December 17, 2020 11:49 AM (qe5CM)

237 There is a desperate need for a banking system separate from the big financial operations. That is the left's #1 most powerful and effective choke point: we all use the same basic bank, with multiple heads like a hydra.

That's what bitcoin's supposed to be. A combination currency system and bank that's decentralized and peer-to-peer.

And the price has gone up some big percentage that I can't readily double-check since the commander-in-thief was finalized Monday.

Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain, Cryptic Anarchist at December 17, 2020 11:49 AM (Clxcy)

238 Eh, we've had socialism in the country for a long long time, and virtually everyone is, or will be, plugged into it. They are just ramping it up, in a brazen way, because they want more control.

Posted by: tubal at December 17, 2020 11:49 AM (bCLt0)

239
I think the election fraud has been going on for years, and I now
doubt whether (as someone above said) the leftists have really won an
election at all!

Posted by: MarkY at December 17, 2020 11:38 AM (i022r)

In a way that makes me feel better. Maybe people in this country aren't as hopelessly stupid as I thought.

Posted by: DAK at December 17, 2020 11:49 AM (PtOP4)

240 ... But life is going to change once that and the second car get paid off. What will we do with all this extra money every month? It's not just the base payments, but the extra that we budget for every month. It's going to be a difference of a few thousand dollars every month. ...
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, marching in the Felliniesque circus at December 17, 2020 11:47 AM (NWM+b)
+++++++++++
Bank it. Get a separate savings account - maybe one of the high-yield ones online - and put your typical real car payment (including extra applied to principal) into it every month, plus a little more if you can manage it.

When the time comes to replace the car, you can then pay cash. If there's an emergency in the meantime, you have a reserve that you can tap if absolutely have to.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 17, 2020 11:49 AM (hYcqw)

241 >>> My 2007 Ranger says what???
Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2020 11:46 AM (Yo3dV)

I loved those late model rangers. Probably the best pickup trucks made. The newer ones are too big, pretty much the size of old f150s and too expensive. I had the Mazda version of the old ranger but had to sale it for something that could have a child seat in the back.

Posted by: banana Dream at December 17, 2020 11:50 AM (l6b3d)

242 *polishes nails*
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, marching in the Felliniesque circus at December 17, 2020 11:32 AM (NWM+b)

1640, first born on American soil.

Posted by: Braenyard at December 17, 2020 11:50 AM (CZm2G)

243 The Immaculate Deception:
Six Key Dimensions of Election Irregularities

https://bit.ly/3nurzRG

This is the Navarro report on election fraud that released today.

Posted by: bonhomme at December 17, 2020 11:51 AM (i0wNm)

244 236 130- I think the walk away movement is a good sign of some people waking up. Even people who still consider themselves "liberal" can see the totalitarianism of the left and if you aren't spouting the party line you are unpersoned. Hopefully the blinders fall for more people.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 17, 2020 11:31 AM

I have thought about this, but I wonder whether they walked away for Trump only. I am concerned that a lot of groups that Trump brought to the party will not stick around for the 2024 candidate. Unless it's Trump, of course!

Posted by: Moonbeam at December 17, 2020 11:49 AM (qe5CM)

There isn't a Republican candidate that can get 80m+ votes out of a pool of perhaps 130m voters.

Posted by: Someguy at December 17, 2020 11:51 AM (s/xOm)

245
I really don't mean to be condescending unless I'm being attacked. I
think the disconnect is that I'm almost always doing other things when
browsing here and don't spend much time crafting my comments.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 17, 2020 11:43 AM (CQ3Qb)

Be Better!

Posted by: WeBoned! at December 17, 2020 11:45 AM (8k7U7)

BINO is a troll. He is going to be what he be.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at December 17, 2020 11:51 AM (946rW)

246 Lech Walesa was great, but he succeeded, in no small part, because the West - especially the United States - was behind him. Who will back us?

That's the problem. We're the long pole holding humanities freedom, to the extent we have it - up. That's what at stake here, and that's why resigning the election to failure is foolish.

If getting ugly is ultimately going to be required, the time is now. The Republican traitors who have the power to fix this must be made more afraid of us, than they are whoever else is controlling them.

It's only going to be harder later, if it ever happens at all. There's a huge risk that humanities freedom becomes a flame that is permanently extinguished. America is a historical aberration, and you might notice that despite having our incredible success as an in-your-face role model, nobody has really followed suit, at least they didn't go as far with it as we did. Those that went at least part way seem to be devolving themselves.

Posted by: President-Elect Optimizer at December 17, 2020 11:51 AM (hOOi9)

247
This is different. Its the end of elections.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 17, 2020 11:40 AM

The big difference I think is in the raw and open foreign influence. The Left's accusations against PDT about the Russians was projection. the influence of the Chinese was/is real.
It also legitimizes Resistance.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 17, 2020 11:51 AM (axyOa)

248 We all need to sign on to every government program in existence that we can possibly get. All of them, for everything.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 17, 2020 11:41 AM (KZzsI)

A friend of mine, who just recently "retired", told me that is what he will be doing in his free time.....mooching at everything from Catholic Charities to Obama Phones, he wants it all.

I laughed and told him good luck being an old white dude.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 17, 2020 11:51 AM (KdF3o)

249 Aww, Braenyard beat me to it.

Posted by: bonhomme at December 17, 2020 11:51 AM (i0wNm)

250 @181 I've told this story here before, but when we were house shopping a few years ago, the mortgage company called to congratulate me because per their calculation, we could totally afford a half million dollar house, and I literally howled with laughter. The nice lady on the phone was very confused.
Posted by: Mrs. Peel at December 17, 2020 11:43 AM (rWZ8Y)

Step right up, step right up, don't be shy! Hurry, hurry, hurry! We've got it right here, folks, piping hot and fresh outta the oven, come and getcha DEBT SLAVERY! We got college degrees, we got cars, we got boats, we got WHOLE HOUSES, ladies and gentlemen!

A dozen rooms, ma'am! Master bed, three for the kids, dining room, TV room, separate laundry and finished basement for that man cave! Sir! You like fishing? How about this twenty foot, all fiberglass, one hundred horses on her back and the trailer's included! I can't afford furniture now, folks, yes you can, rent-to-own is the answer to all your prayers. You can have that leather sofa, you can have that ninety six in screen, you can have it, ladies and gentlemen! Low, low month prices and no interest for twenty four months that's two whole YEARS!

Posted by: Vanya, Minister of Fear at December 17, 2020 11:51 AM (gAFsE)

251 If the nation were to get out of debt China would collapse.

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 17, 2020 11:51 AM (XJfQq)

252 230 Mr Scott- A bit late to actually do anything about it unless you have been stock piling precious metals and the like.

Told you guys.. Buy Precious Metals. 3000 USD gold next year. Don't foget lead.

With Grabby Biden in office, lead is the new precious metal and we will get to see the 1000 dollar mosin! I'm gonna buy my own island....cha ching!

Posted by: The Walking Dude at December 17, 2020 11:52 AM (cCxiu)

253 Well, folks, we've lost America. We're no longer the country we once
were, not the nation the founders created. Its a lot like watching Rome
collapse, you can see the point at which it was too late and was ruined
step by step. The rotted shell of Rome continued to stagger on for a
while, but eventually it fell to pieces. But at a certain point it was
no longer Rome, not the nation it was founded to be.

I've been feeling that way for a long time; not just about America, but about Western Civilization itself. This reminds me of a quote by C.S. Lewis, where he describes this sort of death-in-life existence, and states that we can't even really regret its passing. It's almost better for it to be dead than to continue as it is:

"We thus advance toward a state of society in which not only each man but every impulse in each man claims carte blanche. And then, though our technological skills may help us survive a little longer, our civilization will have died at heart, and will - one dare not even add 'unfortunately' - be swept away."

Posted by: Dr. Mabuse at December 17, 2020 11:52 AM (ZzfrF)

254 173 hiya
Posted by: JT at December 17, 2020 11:39 AM

Hi JT!

Posted by: Moonbeam at December 17, 2020 11:52 AM (qe5CM)

255 It doesn't help that he's wrong about debt in the first paragraph.
Go nuts with their phony money,
. It's only. Going to get thinner.

Posted by: DaveA at December 17, 2020 11:52 AM (FhXTo)

256 I don't know what to do with that kind of money.
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Titty Bars exist James.
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 17, 2020 11:48 AM (XJfQq)

*snort*

I should have everything but the mortgage paid off by the end of 2021. I plan on maxing out hubs' TSP with most of it, then using the rest to buy stuff we need for around the house. Like we could use a new bedroom set, since ours is 25 years old and has been through 6 moves.

Posted by: Jordan61 at December 17, 2020 11:53 AM (Ez6QX)

257 I've been feeling that way for a long time; not just about America, but about Western Civilization itself.

Yes, the US was just the last holdout. There's nowhere to go now, there's no new US to flee to, there's no frontier left.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 17, 2020 11:53 AM (KZzsI)

258 There isn't a Republican candidate that can get 80m+ votes out of a pool of perhaps 130m voters.
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Sure there is. Its called Mail In Ballots and frenzied racist apparatchiks counting the votes.

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 17, 2020 11:53 AM (XJfQq)

259 We finally got all 75 million Trump voters into the camp. I blocked their twitter accounts and cut off their credit cards, but the local teachers union that was helping guard this part of the wall called a snow day.

Now I'm alone in my tower and several hundred thousand pissed off deplorables are banging on my door. Safe space! Where is my safe space?

Posted by: Time travel dispatch from 2030 at December 17, 2020 11:53 AM (ftFVW)

260 All the comments about being debt free are really good to hear. Makes me feel better about resisting my wifes pressure to upgrade from my piece of crap Durango. Yeah...I spend a lot of time in my garage try___ to fix stuff that Im not qualified to do and it takes me 10 times longer than the shop, but, no car payment is worth it. Plus, 4 wheel drive at a paupers price!

Posted by: THE Lonebadger at December 17, 2020 11:53 AM (vYL7p)

261 I have thought about this, but I wonder whether they
walked away for Trump only. I am concerned that a lot of groups that
Trump brought to the party will not stick around for the 2024 candidate.
Unless it's Trump, of course!

Posted by: Moonbeam at December 17, 2020 11:49 AM (qe5CM)

I agree with that. What the GOPe can't get through their corrupt, thick skulls is 74 to 75 million people voted for Trump because he's Trump. They are clueless if they think the Republican brand is anywhere near that popular. Instead of embracing Trump and how massively popular he is they just want to get back to their grift.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 17, 2020 11:54 AM (byL7B)

262 I don't know what to do with that kind of money.

Hi, it's Mitch! Have I told you how close the Democrats are to taking away my phony-baloney job?

Posted by: Mitch McConnell at December 17, 2020 11:54 AM (yfS10)

263 240 ... But life is going to change once that and the second car get paid off. What will we do with all this extra money every month? It's not just the base payments, but the extra that we budget for every month. It's going to be a difference of a few thousand dollars every month. ...
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, marching in the Felliniesque circus at December 17, 2020 11:47 AM (NWM+b)

Put in Vanguard, Fidelity, or an institution of equal quality. Do Not Spend One Red Cent

Posted by: Braenyard at December 17, 2020 11:54 AM (CZm2G)

264 If you are a white male, fuggetaboutit.

You don't qualify.

This has been my experience.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy-Always believe what your TV says at December 17, 2020 11:54 AM (HaL55)

265 What's the over/under on when the run on the banks starts?

I'm saying June.
Posted by: Vanya, Minister of Fear at December 17, 2020 11:44 AM (gAFsE)

Vanya, yes sometime next year PMs Ag and Au will go up drastically. There's your warning. Prepare now.

Posted by: clutch at December 17, 2020 11:55 AM (9UmRs)

266 255 It doesn't help that he's wrong about debt in the first paragraph.
Go nuts with their phony money,
. It's only. Going to get thinner.

Posted by: DaveA at December 17, 2020 11:52 AM (FhXTo)

Invest in leveraged companies which own and produce real assets with low reliance on growth. Bigger is better too.

Posted by: Someguy at December 17, 2020 11:55 AM (s/xOm)

267 In a way that makes me feel better. Maybe people in this country aren't as hopelessly stupid as I thought.

Which is worse, though?

A nation full of people who consistently vote in leftist monsters

A nation full of people who allow leftist monsters to steal elections and do nothing about it?

What makes me laugh the hardest in a sad way is the people calling for recalls and challenging politicians who backed the steal. In what, another election? Charlie Brown much? That ship has sailed, wake the hell up.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 17, 2020 11:56 AM (KZzsI)

268 I agree with that. What the GOPe can't get through their corrupt, thick skulls is 74 to 75 million people voted for Trump because he's Trump. They are clueless if they think the Republican brand is anywhere near that popular. Instead of embracing Trump and how massively popular he is they just want to get back to their grift.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 17, 2020 11:54 AM (byL7B)

I didn't vote for Trump twice because I agreed with him. I voted for Trump twice because he agreed with me.

Posted by: Vanya, Minister of Fear at December 17, 2020 11:56 AM (gAFsE)

269 How much house can you afford? Well, if you use that retrograde old math from when things were sane (that is, the safe math):
- Approx. 3x income
- 20% down
- Max. 25% of gross income on the mortgage
- Max. 33% of gross income on all debt service combined

There you go. That's what's conservative and safe. With interest rates below 3%, you can probably stretch that safely to 3.5x or maybe even 4x income, but no higher unless you reasonably expect to be earning a lot more money in the near to intermediate future.

In many markets in the country, good luck with that. A lot of people are grossly overextended on housing, and a lot of it comes down to lifestyle (houses are much bigger and more expensive than they used to be) and the pernicious effects of low interest rates. Most people don't really buy houses, they buy payments. Your payment goes further at 2.5% than it does at 5%. Rising rates will cause serious price declines in real estate when they eventually happen, and people who financed 100% of the note (or close to it) and bought at the top of their payment budgets will be stuck for a decade or more.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 17, 2020 11:56 AM (hYcqw)

270 193-
You do know this will impact the Loan Shark State don't you? President Biden will be very upset with you.
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 17, 2020 11:41 AM

That makes me so happy!

Posted by: Moonbeam at December 17, 2020 11:57 AM (qe5CM)

271 Like we could use a new bedroom set, since ours is 25 years old and has been through 6 moves.
Posted by: Jordan61

Wow! You got your money out of that set. After two moves you might as well had a fire with all the abuse the furniture takes.

Posted by: Tonypete at December 17, 2020 11:57 AM (Rvt88)

272 Vanya, yes sometime next year PMs Ag and Au will go up drastically. There's your warning. Prepare now.
Posted by: clutch at December 17, 2020 11:55 AM (9UmRs)

Oh, I'm already in the process. Drawing down both of my accounts by half and turning the funny money into... Stuff.

Posted by: Vanya, Minister of Fear at December 17, 2020 11:57 AM (gAFsE)

273 Interesting that they didn't mention two major debts, medical bills and property taxes. I will read the article to see if they are touched on. For me, insurance with high deductibles gave me a fair amount of debt. I just about have that paid off, but it meant I needed to take on new debt to have a reliable vehicle. I've paid down a lot and still have to get the credit card debt cleared up. I did pay my modest student loan off. My hope is to be able to buy a place out right, in an area with low property taxes.

Posted by: notsothoreau at December 17, 2020 11:57 AM (JKNZq)

274 If Biden is inaugurated, one of the first things communists will go for besides guns will be your money and property. It's what communists do.

So those who think they can prepare themselves financially have a tall flash coming. Everything they think they own will be consigned to the state and used as the state assigns.

Posted by: Justsayin' at December 17, 2020 11:57 AM (Fs5vw)

275 258 There isn't a Republican candidate that can get 80m+ votes out of a pool of perhaps 130m voters.
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Sure there is. Its called Mail In Ballots and frenzied racist apparatchiks counting the votes.

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 17, 2020 11:53 AM (XJfQq)

Ok, if the GOP starts playing to win it's possible. But let's get real here.

Posted by: Someguy at December 17, 2020 11:57 AM (s/xOm)

276
GOP, 2024: "Sure we lost 61-35 and 483 electoral votes to 55, but we ran the right kind of candidate, one who wouldn't attack political norms!"

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 17, 2020 11:57 AM (mht8P)

277 BINO is a troll. He is going to be what he be.
Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at December 17, 2020 11:51 AM (946rW)
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But he is a superior troll and earns his money.
Relative to the others he deserves a raise.

Posted by: Braenyard at December 17, 2020 11:57 AM (CZm2G)

278 261 I have thought about this, but I wonder whether they
walked away for Trump only. I am concerned that a lot of groups that
Trump brought to the party will not stick around for the 2024 candidate.
Unless it's Trump, of course!

Posted by: Moonbeam at December 17, 2020 11:49 AM (qe5CM)

I agree with that. What the GOPe can't get through their corrupt, thick skulls is 74 to 75 million people voted for Trump because he's Trump. They are clueless if they think the Republican brand is anywhere near that popular. Instead of embracing Trump and how massively popular he is they just want to get back to their grift.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 17, 2020 11:54 AM (byL7B)

Whenever I hear about 75-80 million Trump voters, I think about people like Tim Pool. Tim Pool voted for Trump but he is not a republican. His vote in 2024 is up for grabs.

There are a lot of Tim Pools.

Posted by: Grip the Weasel at December 17, 2020 11:58 AM (KbCG3)

279 How much house can you afford? Well, if you use that retrograde old math from when things were sane (that is, the safe math):

I can afford an old refrigerator carton under a bridge.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 17, 2020 11:58 AM (KZzsI)

280 But he is a superior troll and earns his money.

Relative to the others he deserves a raise.

Posted by: Braenyard at December 17, 2020 11:57 AM (CZm2G)

Thanks!

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 17, 2020 11:58 AM (CQ3Qb)

281 It's officially holiday season...I have a bowl of home made chex mix.

Posted by: BignJames at December 17, 2020 11:58 AM (AwYPR)

282 Brian is not a troll, just a contrarian. He'll probably go on hiatus on January 21st.

Posted by: Max Power at December 17, 2020 11:59 AM (q177U)

283 Hmmmm...

Well, staying out of debt is important and useful.

But that doesn't explain why business/corporations have gone so woke.

I'm just spit-balling here (pulling stuff out of my ass),
but corporations/businesses are mostly afraid of lawsuits related to race/HR issues.

And they can't talk about it.

Because if they talk about it...that in of itself can be used against the corporation/business in a court of law.

I don't think a company can say anything except that any and all problems are due to a lack of diversity or lack of opportunity.

I mean, if you were some law firm/hedge fund company, and you were asked "why don't you have more BIPOC in your firm, and you said something like because most of our BIPOC applicants don't meet our entrance requirements...you are through.

Basically, no company/corporation can say that there is *anything* beyond white racism/sexism/homophobia that is keeping complete diversity from blooming.

So...as long as that is the law of the land, and any sort of disparate impact is not allowed...business and corporations are going to stay very, very woke.

Posted by: El Jefe ~ Blue Zones POW MIA ~ You Are Not Forgotten ~ at December 17, 2020 11:59 AM (Ae67h)

284 There is a desperate need for a banking system separate from the big financial operations. That is the left's #1 most powerful and effective choke point: we all use the same basic bank, with multiple heads like a hydra.

That's what bitcoin's supposed to be. A combination currency system and bank that's decentralized and peer-to-peer.

Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain

Except bitcoin is in the ether. When the power goes out, you are fucked. Or when the developer dies without writing down the password.
We need something physical.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2020 11:59 AM (Yo3dV)

285 BINO is a troll. He is going to be what he be.
Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at December 17, 2020 11:51 AM (946rW)

Sure, but I don't remember him being this contrarian in the past. It's like he's taking up BSG's mantle and running with it.

Posted by: WeBoned! at December 17, 2020 11:59 AM (8k7U7)

286 But solidarity is a noble and powerful end result, and it is worth working towards. Just ask Lech Walesa!

*********

The problem with invoking Walesa and the Solidarity movement in our current situation in the US is that Poland had much greater common ground ethnically, culturally and religiously then than the US does now. A spontaneous grass roots anti-tyrannical movement in an ethnically diverse nation of 340 million based primarily on a shared (and I use that word loosely) political philosophy is a horse of a different color.

Posted by: Muldoon at December 17, 2020 11:59 AM (m45I2)

287 Willowed >
Posted by: squeakywheel at December 17, 2020 07:51 AM (l1C8z)

I
have Snowden's memoir, Permanent Record, published through a
small publishing house because the bigs didn't want it. It's an
indictment of the Deep State and the vanquishing of privacy. Don't we
always talk about the dirt the CIA et al must have on Congress people
and State Legislators? Snowden's book explains how they got the dirt.
Great read. The man deserves a pardon and a parade.
Posted by: BarcelonaCarmen

Thank you. Will check it out.

Posted by: squeakywheel at December 17, 2020 11:59 AM (l1C8z)

288 Happy birthday Sponge.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 17, 2020 11:59 AM (axyOa)

289
What makes me laugh the hardest in a sad way is the people calling for recalls and challenging politicians who backed the steal. In what, another election? Charlie Brown much? That ship has sailed, wake the hell up.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 17, 2020 11:56 AM (KZzsI)

It'll take some time and the GOP dying would speed it up. Better to get it done in 5 years than in 10 after they're done consolidating power.

Posted by: Someguy at December 17, 2020 11:59 AM (s/xOm)

290 274 If Biden is inaugurated, one of the first things communists will go for besides guns will be your money and property. It's what communists do.
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Biden's only play here is to bring the Turtle to his side. That is if Biden (or Jill) like being president. Pretty sure Jill is all for being FLOTUS. The GOPs best play is to protect Joe while taking Hunter hostage. This castrates Xi and Obama. Jim Clybern will be a very angry black man.

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 17, 2020 12:00 PM (XJfQq)

291 Nood

Posted by: Thanatopsis at beautiful Chancre del Diablo ranch at December 17, 2020 12:00 PM (bQRJE)

292 GOP, 2024: "Sure we lost 61-35 and 483 electoral votes to 55, but we ran the right kind of candidate, one who wouldn't attack political norms!"
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 17, 2020 11:57 AM (mht8P)
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Considering that I don't expect to vote in national elections starting 2022, and I don't think I'm alone in that regard, I rate this scenario "most likely."

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at December 17, 2020 12:00 PM (WEBkv)

293 GOP, 2024: "Sure we lost 61-35 and 483 electoral votes to 55, but we ran the right kind of candidate, one who wouldn't attack political norms!"

This is the Oregon GOP, nearly every year since 1980. We lost again, but we ran the Right Sort of candidate!

People talking about 2024, are you joking? Elections are done, there's no voting any more, there's just you pretending to go through the motions and the Democrats selecting who they put in power. Forever. Like a boot stomping on your face. Get used to it.

Remember what they did to Bernie Sanders 2 elections in a row? That's what we get from now on in the general election. Every time.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 17, 2020 12:00 PM (KZzsI)

294 My hope is to be able to buy a place out right, in an area with low property taxes.
Posted by: notsothoreau

I'm with you - my prop taxes are huge. It is chasing me out of here. The place is paid off but to write those two big checks every year, even though I can afford it, pisses me off. So, like you said - buy a place outright with low taxes.

Posted by: Tonypete at December 17, 2020 12:00 PM (Rvt88)

295 Oh, I'm already in the process. Drawing down both of my accounts by half and turning the funny money into... Stuff.
Posted by: Vanya, Minister of Fear at December 17, 2020 11:57 AM (gAFsE)

Yes indeed

Posted by: clutch at December 17, 2020 12:00 PM (9UmRs)

296 Real Estate is a good investment too. The downside is that its taxed, not portable and hard (impossible) to hide.

The upside is there is finite quantity of good real estate and the dumbasses can't deflate it by printing more of it.
You can rent it out for cash flow, write off insurance, depreciation, taxes , upkeep and it still appreciates an average of 4% a year minimum. Interest rates are low right now. Lock it in.

Posted by: The Walking Dude at December 17, 2020 12:01 PM (cCxiu)

297 >>> We all need to sign on to every government program in existence that we can possibly get. All of them, for everything.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 17, 2020 11:41 AM (KZzsI)

The problem with that is the left wants you to do exactly that. All of their programs are designed to fail and fail so spectacularly that the bring some aspect of the civilian financial world down with them. Which they will then replace with a government-controlled version and never allow the private one back into existence.

I think we should do the opposite. For everything the government only provides we should fight to have a private version, or at least a local state version. This sounds difficult but what if instead of paying federal taxes we paid the same if not a little more to local private organizations that supplanted what big fed gov might threaten to take away from us.

If they want to shove an overpowered oligarchy down our throats let's starve them to death with a wide and varying feudal system. We can get back to a republic easier from the latter than we could from the former.

Posted by: banana Dream at December 17, 2020 12:01 PM (l6b3d)

298 @159 At a certain point, if you don't get it, others will: you have adopted a literary style. It has nothing to do with whether the Republic is irrevocably lost or not. It just feels good to go on like that. I've been hearing it for 60 years. "The land of your birth" that you can't recognize anymore, has lost her innocence more times than Brooke in Pretty Baby.

And this "stuff of Rome" is like talking about the high morals of the Corleones. Quick -- which great work of Roman literature does not look back to some other golden age, when men and families were truly virtuous, unlike, you know, now? Whenever Jefferson would get on his high horse about the noble Romans, Adams would slap his ass down. They were mafiosi from beginning to end. You do not want to be like them.

Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at December 17, 2020 12:01 PM (zMFmR)

299 This is different. Its the end of elections.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 17, 2020 11:40 AM (KZzsI)

To be clear, they'll still HOLD elections, but the result will be independent of the actual votes. Undoubtedly some of that has been going on in the US for some time.

They like to be able to tell themselves that they have the will of the people, even though it's a sham.

Also, some people will believe anything the government tells them.

It turns out that the Olympics WERE held this year. It's just that they cancelled all the usual sports, and replaced them with gaslighting.

Posted by: President-Elect Optimizer at December 17, 2020 12:01 PM (hOOi9)

300 284 There is a desperate need for a banking system separate from the big financial operations. That is the left's #1 most powerful and effective choke point: we all use the same basic bank, with multiple heads like a hydra.
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Move the Fed and the Gold out of NYC. Spread the wealth, as they say.

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 17, 2020 12:01 PM (XJfQq)

301 Only debt I have is my mortgage and I could pay off the balance now if necessary. Since I will be unemployed/ semi-retired on 12/31 that helps alleviate a lot of financial stress. Though obtaining health insurance that is affordable is a pain in the ass. I'm going to use the Affordable Care Act subsidies if possible. My severance package kind of screws it up for the 2021 policy year,

Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks, Look at me at December 17, 2020 12:01 PM (2DOZq)

302 A majority that doesn't actually do anything is a majority in name only.

Posted by: McLurkerson at December 17, 2020 12:01 PM (nlO2f)

303 Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 17, 2020 11:43 AM (CQ3Qb)

Yes, you are sometimes condescending. So are more than a few others around here (including me).

I think your defense of certain voting methods is misplaced, but yours isn't the only argument around here with which I disagree.

So...as long as you play by the few rules, I don't think there is an issue.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 17, 2020 12:02 PM (xT2tT)

304 Except bitcoin is in the ether. When the power goes out, you are fucked. Or when the developer dies without writing down the password.
We need something physical.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2020 11:59 AM (Yo3dV)
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Bitcoin needs a highly technical society to function. Even a regression to 1950's technology would kill bitcoin.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at December 17, 2020 12:02 PM (WEBkv)

305 Sure, but I don't remember him being this contrarian in the past. It's like he's taking up BSG's mantle and running with it.

Posted by: WeBoned! at December 17, 2020 11:59 AM (8k7U7)

I just happen to know a lot about election systems having worked in the field for 20 years and when theories started being put out by people hoping to embarrass Trump supporters that I knew to be 100% untrue I spoke up.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 17, 2020 12:03 PM (CQ3Qb)

306 "This is different. Its the end of elections.
Posted by: Christopher --
The system still has a chance to correct this. If it does not, the system is dead as Kelsey's nuts." Posted by: redbanzai

right, NOW is still the time. Brexit was the John the Baptist like forerunner to MAGA (about six months later). The Globalist Mafia saw the existential threat of Liberty re-emerging, and stomped down hard with DNC/FBI/MSM/FANGS.

They decided Election Steal was the best method of removing Trump ... (Brexit was dealt with via the EU globalists). Good News, Trump was uniting Liberty minded America as evidenced by a landslide win. Bad News, The globalist mafia stole it anyway ... and clamped down harder than ever on censorship and legal punishment, even killing us with a virus and shutdowns.

Outcome undecided, but we are in un-chartered waters ... we are the super power, it is not the same as Venezuela ... surely our military side recognizes the Biden kissing the ring of the CCP is American surrender? Or is that a "pawn" the Western globalists are willing to sacrifice to secure their new world order, which they plan to run?

idk ... these people are evil, God wants us to prosper and be in good health even in this world, not just the next. Live Free or (make them) Die.

Posted by: Illiniwek at December 17, 2020 12:03 PM (Cus5s)

307 What makes me laugh the hardest in a sad way is the people calling for recalls and challenging politicians who backed the steal. In what, another election? Charlie Brown much? That ship has sailed, wake the hell up.

Yep. Trump earned over 80 million votes and they still stole it from him. The old paradigm that we just had to overcome the margin of fraud is blown away. If they can steal this election, they can steal any election.

Posted by: bonhomme at December 17, 2020 12:04 PM (UW2ZS)

308 BINO is a troll. He is going to be what he be.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at December 17, 2020 11:51 AM (946rW)

And a fair number of people think you are one also.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 17, 2020 12:04 PM (xT2tT)

309
I see the hostiles are after the Atlanta Braves now.
Posted by: Puddin Head

Call 'em Atlanta Cowards.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 17, 2020 12:05 PM (63Dwl)

310 Posted by: bonhomme at December 17, 2020 12:04 PM (UW2ZS)

75 million. Biden allegedly got 81 million.

Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks, Look at me at December 17, 2020 12:05 PM (2DOZq)

311 Whenever Jefferson would get on his high horse about
the noble Romans, Adams would slap his ass down. They were mafiosi
from beginning to end. You do not want to be like them.

Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at December 17, 2020 12:01 PM (zMFmR)

Two thousand years from now they'll say the same thing about Americans. If they remember them at all.

Posted by: Dr. Mabuse at December 17, 2020 12:06 PM (ZzfrF)

312 the biggest danger to me personally is losing the will to fight, losing the will to live
feeling worn away
need smh and irongrampa

Posted by: vmom Trump Won! at December 17, 2020 12:06 PM (nUhF0)

313 I think your defense of certain voting methods is
misplaced, but yours isn't the only argument around here with which I
disagree.

So...as long as you play by the few rules, I don't think there is an issue.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 17, 2020 12:02 PM (xT2tT)

I've really been taken aback by the pushback I've received questioning the stupid Q theories. I never expected the same people who have been mocking Hillary voters' claims that Putin hacked the voting machines in 2016 for four years to immediately become the same thing.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 17, 2020 12:06 PM (CQ3Qb)

314 So...as long as that is the law of the land, and any sort of disparate impact is not allowed...business and corporations are going to stay very, very woke.
Posted by: El Jefe ~ Blue Zones POW MIA ~ You Are Not Forgotten ~ at December 17, 2020 11:59 AM (Ae67h)

I think Woke Culture has done us a substantial favor by going after large corporations, and getting them to bend the knee.

For far too long, conservative leaners have taken it for granted that Corporate America was part of us, that we were a we, standing on the wall together.

Bullshit.

Corporate Culture has always been self-serving, and morally neutral, in that capitalism itself is NOT a moral good. It's a tool that can be USED for moral good, but it is morally neutral in and of itself.

And when Corporate America decided it could make money hands over fist by cowtowing to foreign potentates, it did just that. Essentially telling the American citizen to f**k off and die.

So no, Corporate America is most obviously not part of the good guys, but they're also not really part of the bad guys. They just float in the wind, waiting to see which direction it's blowing, and then they blow whoever is standing before them.

Right now that's Woke Culture and China (et al). The American citizen? Nope.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 17, 2020 12:06 PM (hku12)

315 I agree with that. What the GOPe can't get through
their corrupt, thick skulls is 74 to 75 million people voted for Trump
because he's Trump. They are clueless if they think the Republican brand
is anywhere near that popular. Instead of embracing Trump and how
massively popular he is they just want to get back to their grift.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 17, 2020 11:54 AM (byL7B)

I didn't vote for Trump twice because I agreed with him. I voted for Trump twice because he agreed with me.

Posted by: Vanya, Minister of Fear at December 17, 2020 11:56 AM (gAFsE)

What Vanya said. In the end we supported Trump because he promised to support our values and priorities. He has done a spectacular job of keeping his promise. In the end though, this is not about Trump. It is about us. Yes trump gets 4 more years of the presidency as a side effect of us defending our franchise; but in the end it is about our rights and our republic.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at December 17, 2020 12:06 PM (946rW)

316 273 Interesting that they didn't mention two major debts, medical bills and property taxes. I will read the article to see if they are touched on. For me, insurance with high deductibles gave me a fair amount of debt. I just about have that paid off, but it meant I needed to take on new debt to have a reliable vehicle. I've paid down a lot and still have to get the credit card debt cleared up. I did pay my modest student loan off. My hope is to be able to buy a place out right, in an area with low property taxes.
Posted by: notsothoreau at December 17, 2020 11:57 AM (JKNZq)
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Sounds like you are on a good track. You can find good houses in nice, usually older, neighborhoods that are lower tax base.

Dave Ramsey on the radio has some good ideas. I don't belong to his *club* think it's too invasive but he's on YouTube. He is good food for thought.

I loved the country and it had lower tax rates but as time goes on city facilities become more of a necessity.

Posted by: Braenyard at December 17, 2020 12:07 PM (CZm2G)

317 Yep. Trump earned over 80 million votes and they still stole it from him. The old paradigm that we just had to overcome the margin of fraud is blown away. If they can steal this election, they can steal any election.
Posted by: bonhomme at December 17, 2020 12:04 PM (UW2ZS)
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Yeah, I think this is what caught President Trump off guard. He knew he had to blow away vote totals, and did that. Little did he, or anyone else, expect blatant in your face theft of an election.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at December 17, 2020 12:07 PM (WEBkv)

318 I've really been taken aback by the pushback I've
received questioning the stupid Q theories. I never expected the same
people who have been mocking Hillary voters' claims that Putin hacked
the voting machines in 2016 for four years to immediately become the
same thing.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 17, 2020 12:06 PM (CQ3Qb)

That has more than a little to do with YOUR obsession with Q and your false claims about voting machines that you continue to push even in the face of proof that you are lying.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at December 17, 2020 12:08 PM (946rW)

319 I see the hostiles are after the Atlanta Braves now.
Posted by: Puddin Head

Call 'em Atlanta Cowards.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 17, 2020 12:05 PM (63Dwl)

Atlanta Vote Fraudsters

Posted by: BurtTC at December 17, 2020 12:08 PM (hku12)

320
I agree with that. What the GOPe can't get through their corrupt, thick skulls is 74 to 75 million people voted for Trump because he's Trump. They are clueless if they think the Republican brand is anywhere near that popular.

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Yup. This is where they fucked up. Trump was their last and only chance at relevance, and they've pissed it away. Nobody loves the Republicans; they stand for nothing but themselves. They loved Trump.

They prefer being in the minority, it's where they're comfortable, but what they don't realize is this - their voters have strongly disliked them for some time, and they can no longer play the "democrats are worse and they will eat you" card, because they served us up to them in 2020.

There is literally no point to them anymore. They are going to lose in '22 and '24 so badly that even the dead-ender vote-GOP-or-die types will see there isn't anything to be gained in that Party. They're going to just fade to black, and it couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of cucks.

I think there's a strong likelihood, whether it's by their Dem masters or the people they betrayed, that many of these people will be dragged off and shot as they beg for their lives. It's a small comfort, but it is one.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 17, 2020 12:09 PM (g4Dtb)

321 260 All the comments about being debt free are really good to hear. Makes me feel better about resisting my wifes pressure to upgrade from my piece of crap Durango. Yeah...I spend a lot of time in my garage try___ to fix stuff that Im not qualified to do and it takes me 10 times longer than the shop, but, no car payment is worth it. Plus, 4 wheel drive at a paupers price!
Posted by: THE Lonebadger at December 17, 2020 11:53 AM

I've had my current car for 4 years. I kept the one before it for 14 years, so I had nine years to put away savings for a new one. I gave the old one, with only about 75,000 miles on it, to my sister in early 2017 and she's still driving it.

Posted by: Moonbeam at December 17, 2020 12:09 PM (qe5CM)

322 I just happen to know a lot about election systems having worked in the field for 20 years and when theories started being put out by people hoping to embarrass Trump supporters that I knew to be 100% untrue I spoke up.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 17, 2020 12:03 PM (CQ3Qb)

We will all know soon enough. If you're proven to be right, I'll be the first to let you know, then I go completely off the grid.

Posted by: WeBoned! at December 17, 2020 12:09 PM (8k7U7)

323 Real Estate is a good investment too. The downside is that its taxed, not portable and hard (impossible) to hide.

The upside is there is finite quantity of good real estate and the dumbasses can't deflate it by printing more of it.
You can rent it out for cash flow, write off insurance, depreciation, taxes , upkeep and it still appreciates an average of 4% a year minimum. Interest rates are low right now. Lock it in.
Posted by: The Walking Dude at December 17, 2020 12:01 PM (cCxiu)

=============

This reminds me of what I call "the fantasy of home ownership". In the real world, if you own something, you don't have to pay somebody every year to keep it. That's called RENTING.

That kind of gaslighting has been going on for probably a century or more. Even when your mortgage is paid off, and you have that deed in your hand, you're really just renting it from it's true owner - the government - who also dictates what you can and cannot do with it. They can also kick you off, paying pennies on the dollar vs what it's worth.

But hey - if you're willing to put your faith and confidence in our new socialist overlords not screwing you over, by all means, go for it.

Posted by: President-Elect Optimizer at December 17, 2020 12:10 PM (hOOi9)

324
Look, I'm as guilty as the next Moron of troll-feeding, but this one is growing corpulent. Time to put him on a diet.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 17, 2020 12:11 PM (g4Dtb)

325 Going on 6 years of no car payment with my 2011 Jeep 4 dr Wrangler. I bought it because I like Jeep's but also because I did not expect the body style to ever change significantly . No one can really tell it's almost 10 years old.

Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks, Look at me at December 17, 2020 12:13 PM (2DOZq)

326 Corporate Culture has always been self-serving, and morally neutral, in that capitalism itself is NOT a moral good. It's a tool that can be USED for moral good, but it is morally neutral in and of itself.

And when Corporate America decided it could make money hands over fist by cowtowing to foreign potentates, it did just that. Essentially telling the American citizen to f**k off and die.

So no, Corporate America is most obviously not part of the good guys, but they're also not really part of the bad guys. They just float in the wind, waiting to see which direction it's blowing, and then they blow whoever is standing before them.

Right now that's Woke Culture and China (et al). The American citizen? Nope.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 17, 2020 12:06 PM (hku12)

*****

Fair point.

I just wish they'd go back to drifting in the wind, instead of causing us so much harm.

Posted by: El Jefe ~ Blue Zones POW MIA ~ You Are Not Forgotten ~ at December 17, 2020 12:13 PM (Ae67h)

327 The Left, with its slavish adherence to dogma, and its acolytes willing to be foot soldiers in its war against the West, has systematically overrun the institutions that made America great and unique, and any change, even if possible, will be a long slog through those same institutions.

That is eloquent. I am unable to put it that way on my own volition. Due to the complexity of everything that is going on, I simply call them Satans Retards. It is the only way I can explain their willingness to surrender the global top spot America has worked to have and squander the blessings and liberty her founding and survival has generated to this point.

They follow some fucked up gospel of Cain and volunteer to be Brothers Keepers or some shit.

They have bastardized and weaponized Christianity in the name of some imaginary superior compassion. It is as Satanic as anything can be.

Powers and Principalities have hypnotized a lot of people. We are witnessing the Rubiks Cube of Great Deception solidify in front of our eyes. Each side is becoming solid colors on a daily basis,m. The time sure appears to be short these days.

I choose to rejoice because this all suggests that Christ is coming. What a Master! He has this. The possibility that He is using their plans and machinations to ultimately squash them and reveal Himself is something to consider and be glad about.

Posted by: Satans Retards For The Win! at December 17, 2020 12:14 PM (uc+oy)

328 vmom Trump Won!

I'll dance with you at a MoMeet.

Not much at all, but the best I can do.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at December 17, 2020 12:15 PM (u82oZ)

329 "I just happen to know a lot about election systems
having worked in the field for 20 years and when theories started being
put out by people hoping to embarrass Trump supporters that I knew to be
100% untrue I spoke up." Posted by: Brian

you speak with certainty that no servers were taken that might contain evidence. Your election system experience is useful, but you have no knowledge (that I have seen) on what actions were covertly taken to secure evidence. I have read a few that work in digital security that indicate such evidence can exist on servers and routers ... several sources indicate that could be the hard proof needed.

None of us pedestrians know exactly what our intel agencies have been doing, so your absolute mockery of any that have some hope in those that are actually in that field seems to be "speaking out of your area of expertise".

Even those in the machinery don't know what others in the system are doing ... I keep referring to the hope of white hats ... there are certainly some of those. You seem to deny that is even possible. Indeed, if everyone is pure evil, things are pretty bleak indeed. I tend to believe the handful at the top could be taken down ... if we fight together and demand it.

Posted by: Illiniwek at December 17, 2020 12:16 PM (Cus5s)

330 I've had my current car for 4 years. I kept the one before it for 14 years, so I had nine years to put away savings for a new one. I gave the old one, with only about 75,000 miles on it, to my sister in early 2017 and she's still driving it.
Posted by: Moonbeam at December 17, 2020 12:09 PM (qe5CM)

I remember when a five year old car was a rust bucket you'd eventually unload on some teenager for their first car. You'd be lucky if it lasted 100,000 miles.

These days, it seems like even a 10 year old car is pretty decent, and you might easily go 20. I don't think even 200,000 miles is a big deal.

But there's the problem of those socialist overlords again. They're going to make you turn that gas-powered car in. You can have an electric car , if you can afford it, and electricity to run it will more than quadruple in price.

This is the stuff that somewhere around 90 million Americans voted AGAINST. Our will must NOT be denied.

Posted by: President-Elect Optimizer at December 17, 2020 12:16 PM (hOOi9)

331 Omg. This National Review piece on DOCTOR Jill Biden is fantastic.

https://tinyurl.com/y8as6ept

Posted by: President-Elect Jane D'oh at December 17, 2020 12:17 PM (ptqGC)

332 271 Like we could use a new bedroom set, since ours is 25 years old and has been through 6 moves.
Posted by: Jordan61

Wow! You got your money out of that set. After two moves you might as well had a fire with all the abuse the furniture takes.
Posted by: Tonypete at December 17, 2020 11:57 AM

Both my living room and bedroom sets are about that old and they've been through 3 cross country moves. Mostly because I don't take the time to look. I live about 90 miles from the biggest furniture market in the US (Winston-Salem NC) and have only been once in two years to look. I drive past a Bassett furniture store at least once a week and have yet to stop.

Posted by: Moonbeam at December 17, 2020 12:17 PM (qe5CM)

333 Powers and Principalities have hypnotized a lot of
people. We are witnessing the Rubiks Cube of Great Deception solidify in
front of our eyes. Each side is becoming solid colors on a daily
basis,m. The time sure appears to be short these days.

I choose to rejoice because this all suggests that Christ is coming.
What a Master! He has this. The possibility that He is using their
plans and machinations to ultimately squash them and reveal Himself is
something to consider and be glad about.

Posted by: Satans Retards For The Win! at December 17, 2020 12:14 PM (uc+oy)

I never imagined the turning away from God would be so utterly uniform. That question Jesus asked, if he would find any believers left when he returned - I'm sure the vast majority of Christians always assumed he'd find them and all the members of THEIR church waiting for him. But who can believe that now? What percentage of "believers" have not sold out? Ten? Five? I'm wondering if there will be more than 1 or 2 people out of an entire congregation who'll still be on God's side when he returns.

Posted by: Dr. Mabuse at December 17, 2020 12:19 PM (ZzfrF)

334 320- There is literally no point to them anymore. They are going to lose in '22 and '24 so badly that even the dead-ender vote-GOP-or-die types will see there isn't anything to be gained in that Party. They're going to just fade to black, and it couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of cucks.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 17, 2020 12:09 PM

What really drives me nuts is the state legislatures. How many of them in these swing states are Republican majority? Why haven't they done anything to insure that their voting systems are secure and fraud-proof?

Posted by: Moonbeam at December 17, 2020 12:22 PM (qe5CM)

335 the good news about red-pilling ... light dispels darkness. The magician's trick collapses when the curtain is pulled back, and it is clear the woman was not really cut in half ... (or whatever trick .... three card monty, whatever)

Trump exposed a lot ... exposing how the voting machines were able to defraud will show more. It will still be a long slog, but the initial "red-pilling" could happen quickly. Many on the left even, were denouncing the media control and constant Orwellian TrumpHate narrative. A taste of freedom is more contagious than the devotion to slavery, despite all the free stuff incentives. (I think/hope)

Posted by: Illiniwek at December 17, 2020 12:23 PM (Cus5s)

336 "I've really been taken aback by the pushback I've received questioning
the stupid Q theories. I never expected the same people who have been
mocking Hillary voters' claims that Putin hacked the voting machines in
2016 for four years to immediately become the same thing." Brian

You are using the left's tactic of denouncing inconvenient evidence as "Terrorist Q theories". (yes, I added terrorist, but that is the idea when they attack "Qanon")

The black hat for the left just yesterday admitted under testimony that some machines were indeed connected to the internet. Most of us already knew that. Is he another Qanon fake? Maria B has a source that says Trump won ... is she also given to Qanon conspiracy theories, therefore must be denounced?

The left is indeed trashing Maria the same way they trash us al as white supremacists, and/or Qanon crazies. These are tactics of the enemy, so why are you using them?

Posted by: Illiniwek at December 17, 2020 12:37 PM (Cus5s)

337 Why is it so difficult for the conservative right to organize a movement? A little visibility in cities across the country could inject some energy into the otherwise invisible protest against the election heist. Little of value is accomplished sitting in front of a screen -- take it to the street! Ask what your local RNC is doing -- I asked mine and was told "nothing going on."

Posted by: Ziba at December 17, 2020 12:48 PM (S1hrL)

338 What really drives me nuts is the state legislatures. How many of them in these swing states are Republican majority? Why haven't they done anything to insure that their voting systems are secure and fraud-proof?
Posted by: Moonbeam at December 17, 2020 12:22 PM (qe5CM)

There are at least 5, all except NV and NM. In some states, the legislature doesn't have a lot of power. Here in NY, they always spoke of the governor, and the heads of the two houses as having all the power, the assemblymen and senators are practically just for show.

Practically any three of those five could end this in a day, by declaring the state election corrupt and void, and certifying the Republican slate.

Trump's team has been to every state, parading dozens of witnesses before then with three times as much irrefutable evidence as they need, but they do nothing. Some puppet master HAS to be pulling their strings, for them to act with such treachery and in such unison.

Given enough of the right kind of pressure (EXTREMELY angry mobs - extremely LARGE ones - calling them out for being the traitors that they are, hanging and burning stuff in effigy is MY recommendation) I suspect they can be convinced to do the right thing.

But I don't see that happening right now. Maybe after a new development comes out.

Posted by: President-Elect Optimizer at December 17, 2020 12:54 PM (hOOi9)

339 Better yet, just take out a ton of debt and then walk away to somewhere else.

Take out all the home equity, student loans for a BS degree, anything and everything, and then walk on out to Costa Rica or wherever.

Foreclose on your home? So what. You just bought a beachside cottage for cash. etc. etc.

Posted by: Dave at December 17, 2020 12:55 PM (KWYbg)

340 I like this because it talks about the future, but it takes in to account how much things have changed, and how we all need to do things differently in the future.

get out of debt, so that when your employer demands you attend the "diversity" training you at least have the option of telling them to go to hell.

Posted by: Shoey at December 17, 2020 01:03 PM (hmNVd)

341 re: old literature. I am reading Milton right now (Paradise Lost), and while a bit of a slog, it makes very clear the need for moral opposition. We can't only have Left nor can we only have Right if we want constructive progress and success in our modern human experiment.

It's very clear here in western Washington (basically 100 % blue) that having no acceptable opposition lowers us further and further into unworkable solutions and yet the question is never asked why they are not working. And the answer is always doubling down. An opposition, a check and balance, even a devil's advocate is needed always.

Posted by: funsize at December 17, 2020 01:42 PM (gbEV2)

342 Ziba--would you organize if you knew it would make you a target? That would be my fear.

Posted by: funsize at December 17, 2020 01:43 PM (gbEV2)

343 >>> And that's the big problem. Just look around here. We are more than willing to cast out the unbelievers, whom we define as adhering to less than 99% of our orthodoxy. Yes, that's a bit of hyperbole, but unpopular opinions are rarely tolerated, even in these august pages.
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Yeah. Often my comments are deleted for no apparent reason. I occasionally go off topic and make bad jokes, sure. But that is everybody around here.

Posted by: Murrican Ninja War Eeyore at December 17, 2020 03:41 PM (xptlg)

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