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Trump Threatens to Veto Defense Spending Bill -- Unless It Contains a Repeal of Section 230
This thread is for political discussion.
The thread right below it is a Happy Fun Time thread for non-political chatter. The corporate cucks -- James Inhofe among them -- are threatening to vote to override his veto. Good. We're going to have to build up a case for primarying these motherfuckers-- they must be put on record servicing their Tech Monopolist Donor Overlords. We have to make it very clear who they are serving, if we want to boot them out of office. And we do have to boot them out of office. They must be made to understand that their Corporate Cronies give them money, but only we give them votes. And we can withhold those votes, or send them to a primary candidate, or send them to a third party candidate. If James Inhofe and Mike Lee and Jim Jordan and James Sensenbrenner think they can fucking get hundreds of thousands of votes from Google and FaceBook -- well, let's see them put that plan into action. You want to override the veto? Good. Put your name on it fellas. Stop just living in sin with your corporate masters; put a ring on it. Let the voters know who you actually serve. Meanwhile, Joel Kotkin writes that the real fascist threat isn't Donald Trump. It's the Leviathan Tech Monopolies who now have complete control over the flow of political information. (Most of the Trump Derangement has been edited out of this excerpt. But it's there in the original.)
Under the kindly gaze of Uncle Joe, we soon may find ourselves living under an updated version of the fascist "corporate state" -- an alliance between political leaders and a handful of ultra-rich, ultra-powerful companies that increasingly dominate the economy and culture. This new American-style corporate state reflects not a conspiracy but the politics of a society with unprecedented concentrations of wealth and power. These firms, based largely in the tech industry, have benefited massively from the lockdowns and now account for nearly 40 percent of the value of the Standard and Poor index, a level of concentration unprecedented in modern history, As the giants get even more gigantic, up to 30 percent of America's small businesses face bankruptcy and the ranks of the poor have grown by 8 million. ... Biden raised record sums from the corporate elite, notably the tech oligarchs and their Wall Street allies. Among financial firms, communications companies and lawyers, Biden outraised Trump by 5-to-1 or more. Besides providing money, the tech giants actively helped direct Biden's campaign and volunteered their digital savvy, with Mark Zuckerberg himself financing election day operations in many critical states, something sure to titillate the tinfoil-hat wing of the GOP. Like many Americans, tech moguls and elite financiers rightly despised Trump's crudity and nativist memes, but they were more immediately motivated by self-interest--starting with their need to maintain a pipeline of immigrant workers to collusively keep their labor costs down and to keep maintain trade and commerce with China. Biden also had the virtue of being able to stop real progressives, like Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren, who openly challenged oligarchal power. ... Not surprisingly the new regime will likely favor controls on information that fit their own interests and inclinations. Despite suggestions to the contrary by the New York Times, history suggests any meaningful effort to rein in the oligarchs is now dead on arrival. There will be little restraint as platforms like Facebook and Google accelerate their attempts to "curate" (read: control) news--or in Amazon's case, remove books or videos--to minimize or exclude those who violate their world-view. What we see now is something of an American version of the Chinese system of power concentration and control--the leading fascist model of today. In America this will be achieved not through government but by allowing a handful of private companies to control information. Indeed Richard Stengel, head of the Biden transition team for media, has openly advocated controls on "hate speech," a conveniently vague term. Such an approach is widely supported by organizations like the German Marshall Fund as well as prominent "liberal" legal scholars who openly praise China's censorious approach. This notion of thought control has been emerging for at least a decade on issues like climate change and more recently the pandemic. It also was all too evident during the recent election as platforms like Facebook and Twitter made assertive editorial judgements to cut off stories about Hunter Biden's laptop even as they allowed equally absurd anti-Trump conspiracies to travel widely. This new emerging American corporate state provides a perfect way for the oligarchs to consolidate power and boost their profits. Corporate lobbyists, working for Wall Street, tech and other giant companies all but assure that Biden, like Barack Obama, will wink and nod as Microsoft, Amazon, Apple, Facebook and Google acquire or crush competitors, continuing the erosion in anti-trust enforcement that's happened under both parties. Monopolistic control is critical to maintaining the enormous profit margins and unprecedented wealth of the oligarchal class.
... We cannot hope to have a functional (as opposed to a nominal) democracy when property and information are controlled by a small number of companies tightly allied with political power. This is not either a right-wing issue or a left-wing one, but a matter of protecting our republic before it is too late.
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Posted by: SturmToddler at December 04, 2020 03:09 PM (8D42x)
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damn
Posted by: John Cocktoastin at December 04, 2020 03:10 PM (tjh7I)
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wow roomy
and go PDJT.
shit can every bill in DC
and release ALL the CIA and FBI secrets.
ok, i'll fetch the others
and go PDJT.
shit can every bill in DC
and release ALL the CIA and FBI secrets.
ok, i'll fetch the others
Posted by: SturmToddler at December 04, 2020 03:10 PM (8D42x)
Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at December 04, 2020 03:10 PM (Zm+LZ)
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Philippine police on Friday threatened to cane people who violate social distancing protocols as the Southeast Asian nation fights the spread of the coronavirus during the festive season.
Philippine police on Friday threatened to cane people who violate social distancing protocols as the Southeast Asian nation fights the spread of the coronavirus during the festive season.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 04, 2020 03:11 PM (63Dwl)
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willowed:
453 310 At least Kemp is a goner, as is Ducey
Posted by: Jonah at December 04, 2020 02:52 PM (aENAX)
Tank will win the Gov and then GA will get the government/tyranny it well and truly deserves.
453 310 At least Kemp is a goner, as is Ducey
Posted by: Jonah at December 04, 2020 02:52 PM (aENAX)
Tank will win the Gov and then GA will get the government/tyranny it well and truly deserves.
Posted by: Eli Cash at December 04, 2020 03:11 PM (SScvq)
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If we're going to live in a cyberpunk corporate-run dystopia, I want the freely-accessible drugs, cybernetic upgrades, and near-to-life VR sex that were all supposed to go with it.
Posted by: Insomniac at December 04, 2020 03:11 PM (nakwk)
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So the LA mayor sez no walking, stay in your homes. Softening folks up for Trump's martial law.
Excellent!
Excellent!
Posted by: lizabth at December 04, 2020 03:11 PM (L3Rsz)
Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at December 04, 2020 03:11 PM (Y8GVo)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 04, 2020 03:11 PM (sfhL4)
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If James Inhofe and Mike Lee and Jim Jordan and James Sensenbrenner think they can fucking get hundreds of thousands of votes from Google and FaceBook -- well, let's see them put that plan into action.
Well, none of them care about having a Republican majority.
If James Inhofe and Mike Lee and Jim Jordan and James Sensenbrenner think they can fucking get hundreds of thousands of votes from Google and FaceBook -- well, let's see them put that plan into action.
Well, none of them care about having a Republican majority.
Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at December 04, 2020 03:11 PM (6vHcr)
Posted by: SturmToddler at December 04, 2020 03:11 PM (8D42x)
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Once this is over, if Trump loses, he needs to announce that he won't attend the inauguration, and instead will host a rally that same day in DC, and will be starting a new political party.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at December 04, 2020 03:12 PM (jOcSX)
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Trump can veto it all he wants, they will simply vote on it again on January 21 and Biden will sign it.
On the other hand, he also may veto it but because of everything else in it.
On the other hand, he also may veto it but because of everything else in it.
Posted by: President Elect Decaf at December 04, 2020 03:12 PM (hpVf/)
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7 If we're going to live in a cyberpunk corporate-run dystopia, I want the freely-accessible drugs, cybernetic upgrades, and near-to-life VR sex that were all supposed to go with it.
Posted by: Insomniac at December 04, 2020 03:11 PM (nakwk)
You'll get
1. drugs that are low quality and will kill you
2. chipped so the authorities can track you
3. medicore VR sex. Let's be honest, this is the best we're going to get.
Posted by: Insomniac at December 04, 2020 03:11 PM (nakwk)
You'll get
1. drugs that are low quality and will kill you
2. chipped so the authorities can track you
3. medicore VR sex. Let's be honest, this is the best we're going to get.
Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at December 04, 2020 03:12 PM (Zm+LZ)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 04, 2020 03:13 PM (sfhL4)
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Where is my dermal armor? Muscle aug? Wired reflexes? Smartgun link?
Posted by: Insomniac at December 04, 2020 03:13 PM (nakwk)
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Once this is over, if Trump loses, he needs to announce that he won't attend the inauguration, and instead will host a rally that same day in DC, and will be starting a new political party.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile
Oh yes! I've been thinking the same thing. It'd be awesome.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile
Oh yes! I've been thinking the same thing. It'd be awesome.
Posted by: lizabth at December 04, 2020 03:13 PM (L3Rsz)
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ok, just to be safe, i called nood in BOTH threads, so if anyone misses this thread, it's not my fault.
so now i can read the content and end up 75 comments behind... -_-
so now i can read the content and end up 75 comments behind... -_-
Posted by: SturmToddler at December 04, 2020 03:13 PM (8D42x)
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I keep coming back to this, but these GOP politicians are not only whores, their cheap whores.
Google gave Jim Jordan $11,000. Willing to throw the whole USA under the bus over $11k. You can see the donations at opensecrets.
These Big Tech companies own the GOP for what they find under their couch cushions.
Google gave Jim Jordan $11,000. Willing to throw the whole USA under the bus over $11k. You can see the donations at opensecrets.
These Big Tech companies own the GOP for what they find under their couch cushions.
Posted by: Blago at December 04, 2020 03:13 PM (gkdnV)
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Should I crawl into the thread below and mess with Alex?
Posted by: Face Sized Spider at December 04, 2020 03:13 PM (kTF2Z)
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15 7 If we're going to live in a cyberpunk corporate-run dystopia, I want the freely-accessible drugs, cybernetic upgrades, and near-to-life VR sex that were all supposed to go with it.
Posted by: Insomniac at December 04, 2020 03:11 PM (nakwk)
You'll get
1. drugs that are low quality and will kill you
2. chipped so the authorities can track you
3. medicore VR sex. Let's be honest, this is the best we're going to get.
Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at December 04, 2020 03:12 PM (Zm+LZ)
Damn you William Gibson! You lied to me!
Posted by: Insomniac at December 04, 2020 03:11 PM (nakwk)
You'll get
1. drugs that are low quality and will kill you
2. chipped so the authorities can track you
3. medicore VR sex. Let's be honest, this is the best we're going to get.
Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at December 04, 2020 03:12 PM (Zm+LZ)
Damn you William Gibson! You lied to me!
Posted by: Insomniac at December 04, 2020 03:14 PM (nakwk)
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TBH, I'm not in love with this idea. If 230 is repealed, that will be used as a bludgeon against us, guaranteed. Media would crack down on us even more, because there would be no fig leaf that they are a simply a utility. It would be far preferable to have 230 protections stripped from the specific bad actors like Facebook, Twitter, Google, etc.
Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at December 04, 2020 03:14 PM (L106N)
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Three years too late, but I'll take it.
Posted by: ShainS at December 04, 2020 03:14 PM (Yt5Im)
25
Is Ace going nuts?
Posted by: Flinkin at December 04, 2020 03:14 PM (so+NG)
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Good. We're going to have to build up a case for primarying these motherfuckers-- they must be put on record servicing their Tech Monopolist Donor Overlords.
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The case is out there in the open, we just need the will to primary the bastards. Actually, somebody suggested primarying them across the board and the good ones will survive.
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The case is out there in the open, we just need the will to primary the bastards. Actually, somebody suggested primarying them across the board and the good ones will survive.
Posted by: President Elect Decaf at December 04, 2020 03:14 PM (hpVf/)
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If James Inhofe and Mike Lee and Jim Jordan and James Sensenbrenner
think they can fucking get hundreds of thousands of votes from Google
and FaceBook -- well, let's see them put that plan into action.
***
Well someone got Joe Biden 10 or 20M votes so...it isn't out of the realm of possibility.
think they can fucking get hundreds of thousands of votes from Google
and FaceBook -- well, let's see them put that plan into action.
***
Well someone got Joe Biden 10 or 20M votes so...it isn't out of the realm of possibility.
Posted by: 18-1 at December 04, 2020 03:14 PM (qlFIA)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 04, 2020 03:15 PM (mht8P)
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They must be made to understand that their Corporate Cronies give them money, but only we give them votes.
Not true, Dominion gives them votes now. We're just window dressing.
Not true, Dominion gives them votes now. We're just window dressing.
Posted by: DR.WTF at December 04, 2020 03:15 PM (AiZBA)
Posted by: ... at December 04, 2020 03:15 PM (auIRg)
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saw a tweet from.Tulsi Gabbard telling Trump she supports him 200% in repealing section 230
Posted by: preznit select vmom at December 04, 2020 03:15 PM (nUhF0)
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repost because, willowed
Australians Banned From Australian Island Bought by Chinese Developer
A Chinese developer bought an Australian Island and banned Australians from the area, including barring residents from their homes.
Residents say they can't go back to their homes since developer China Bloom bought a 99-year lease to take control of Keswick Island in 2019.
"I just don't think they want Australians on the island," former island resident Julie Willis told the news program "A Current Affair." "I think that they want to have this island solely for the use of the Chinese tourism market."
The Chinese developer has gone as far as banning residents from renting their homes on Airbnb, which residents say has ruined tourism, and blocking them from entering the island from air, land and sea.
It also appears that Australians are being deterred from purchasing property on the island as well.
and we laughed when Trump talked of Greenland.
https://tinyurl.com/y5d56wj8
only Trump had the guts to confront them
our taxpayer dollars, buying up Aussie property and slamming down the communist control
Australians Banned From Australian Island Bought by Chinese Developer
A Chinese developer bought an Australian Island and banned Australians from the area, including barring residents from their homes.
Residents say they can't go back to their homes since developer China Bloom bought a 99-year lease to take control of Keswick Island in 2019.
"I just don't think they want Australians on the island," former island resident Julie Willis told the news program "A Current Affair." "I think that they want to have this island solely for the use of the Chinese tourism market."
The Chinese developer has gone as far as banning residents from renting their homes on Airbnb, which residents say has ruined tourism, and blocking them from entering the island from air, land and sea.
It also appears that Australians are being deterred from purchasing property on the island as well.
and we laughed when Trump talked of Greenland.
https://tinyurl.com/y5d56wj8
only Trump had the guts to confront them
our taxpayer dollars, buying up Aussie property and slamming down the communist control
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 04, 2020 03:15 PM (sfhL4)
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Members of the board received a brief email from Joshua Whitehouse, the White House liaison to the Department of Defense, that simply said, "if you are receiving this e-mail, your membership on the Defense Business Board has expired or is coming to an end."
"A number of board members have been terminated with a form letter. In my experience, I was very surprised that the White House would, at the eleventh hour, adjust an advisory board that for 19 years has had a record of nonpartisan support with the department," Michael Bayer, who until today was board chair, told POLITICO.
"A number of board members have been terminated with a form letter. In my experience, I was very surprised that the White House would, at the eleventh hour, adjust an advisory board that for 19 years has had a record of nonpartisan support with the department," Michael Bayer, who until today was board chair, told POLITICO.
Posted by: SMOD at December 04, 2020 03:15 PM (3aI0K)
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23 TBH, I'm not in love with this idea. If 230 is repealed, that will be used as a bludgeon against us, guaranteed. Media would crack down on us even more, because there would be no fig leaf that they are a simply a utility. It would be far preferable to have 230 protections stripped from the specific bad actors like Facebook, Twitter, Google, etc.
Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at December 04, 2020 03:14 PM (L106N)
That'd be the ideal result but they're going to crack down on us anyways while continuing to protect the monopolists.
Technically 230 isn't even in principle incorrect, it's just not actually adhered to. But it's in the way.
Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at December 04, 2020 03:14 PM (L106N)
That'd be the ideal result but they're going to crack down on us anyways while continuing to protect the monopolists.
Technically 230 isn't even in principle incorrect, it's just not actually adhered to. But it's in the way.
Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at December 04, 2020 03:15 PM (Zm+LZ)
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at December 04, 2020 03:15 PM (H5knJ)
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I have been pointing out to the millennials I know that this *is* a cyberpunk dystopia we are living in because it points the question to why and how we got here and the answer isn't Donald Trump....
Posted by: 18-1 at December 04, 2020 03:16 PM (qlFIA)
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The corporate cucks -- James Inhofe among them -- are threatening to vote to override his veto.
and this
Why I'm Trying to Put Brakes on Trump's Pardon Powers Rep. Steve Cohen, CNN
from all sides
Stand by Trump, he needs us
and this
Why I'm Trying to Put Brakes on Trump's Pardon Powers Rep. Steve Cohen, CNN
from all sides
Stand by Trump, he needs us
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 04, 2020 03:16 PM (sfhL4)
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It's not he who votes that counts, it's he who controls the suitcases of votes hidden under desks that counts.
Also according to America Voice News, the ATL GA voting board supervisor refused to attend today's hearing, he was too busy.
Also according to America Voice News, the ATL GA voting board supervisor refused to attend today's hearing, he was too busy.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 04, 2020 03:16 PM (ztzef)
39
>>>8 So the LA mayor sez no walking, stay in your homes. Softening folks up for Trump's martial law.
holy ish I saw that -- NO WALKING?!?!
WTF?
holy ish I saw that -- NO WALKING?!?!
WTF?
Posted by: ace at December 04, 2020 03:16 PM (nuqdl)
40
So, Ace has gone full Qnan? He is the one packing the M1?
Posted by: Flinkin at December 04, 2020 03:16 PM (so+NG)
41
Disgusting and stupid opening paragraph by Kotkin about Trump.
Posted by: Ordinary American at December 04, 2020 03:16 PM (H8QX8)
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Build your own Google, Facebook, Twitter, Amazon if you don't like it.
- National Review
- National Review
Posted by: Asshoes at December 04, 2020 03:16 PM (22mNy)
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>>>They must be made to understand that their Corporate Cronies give them money, but only we give them votes.
You sure about the one, ace?
You sure about the one, ace?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 04, 2020 03:17 PM (UPoLF)
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We don't need to repeal Section 230, we just need to start enforcing it.
Posted by: AshevilleRobert at December 04, 2020 03:17 PM (HBlzO)
45
Question for anyone with experience in these matters:
Is there any recourse if your company plans on forcing you to attend unconscious bias communist struggle sessions? Beyond that of LOLGF? Like, tell your manager some "legal legal mumbo jumbo therefore I will decline" sort of thing. I don't want to be fired because I will walk out before that, ie. LOLGF.
Just seeing if anyone has had luck with uttering some magic phrase that makes this nightmare crap fizzle away.
Is there any recourse if your company plans on forcing you to attend unconscious bias communist struggle sessions? Beyond that of LOLGF? Like, tell your manager some "legal legal mumbo jumbo therefore I will decline" sort of thing. I don't want to be fired because I will walk out before that, ie. LOLGF.
Just seeing if anyone has had luck with uttering some magic phrase that makes this nightmare crap fizzle away.
Posted by: banana Dream at December 04, 2020 03:17 PM (l6b3d)
46
Posting political rants and recriminations on this thread, and happy fun bewbs, gunz, and otters on the other thread.
I'm multi-threading.
I'm multi-threading.
Posted by: Hands (but no gloves and no mask) at December 04, 2020 03:17 PM (786Ro)
47
That thing about W volunteering to join Obama and Clinton to be publicly vaccinated for COVID-19. Yeah, nah. Do they think we are too stupid to work out that they would be getting just saline.
They really all do have contempt for us.
They really all do have contempt for us.
Posted by: President Elect Decaf at December 04, 2020 03:18 PM (hpVf/)
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DARPA controls them all. They pick the heads of their companies once they make them private. Being born special has its privileges manifest into supremacy. Would be shame if people looked at the connections shared between our Corporate Overlords.
Posted by: bat nationalist at December 04, 2020 03:18 PM (R1LMN)
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Movies associated with this theme, Roller Ball, Hunger Games and I'm sure there's more.
The power of money (mixed with communist dystopia). It's what's driving all the chaos.
The power of money (mixed with communist dystopia). It's what's driving all the chaos.
Posted by: Justsayin' at December 04, 2020 03:18 PM (Fs5vw)
50
Sorry but I don't understand the connection of Section 230 in a Defense Spending Bill.
Willing to be edumacated.
Willing to be edumacated.
Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks, Look at me at December 04, 2020 03:19 PM (m/vQu)
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48 DARPA controls them all. They pick the heads of their companies once they make them private. Being born special has its privileges manifest into supremacy. Would be shame if people looked at the connections shared between our Corporate Overlords.
Posted by: bat nationalist at December 04, 2020 03:18 PM (R1LMN)
Can't say Eisenhower didn't warn us.
Posted by: bat nationalist at December 04, 2020 03:18 PM (R1LMN)
Can't say Eisenhower didn't warn us.
Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at December 04, 2020 03:19 PM (Zm+LZ)
52
Just seeing if anyone has had luck with uttering some magic phrase that makes this nightmare crap fizzle away.
***
Tell them your sexual transition appointment is that day?
***
Tell them your sexual transition appointment is that day?
Posted by: 18-1 at December 04, 2020 03:19 PM (qlFIA)
53
Repeal. Type. Delete. Repeat.
Posted by: ... at December 04, 2020 03:19 PM (auIRg)
54
topical:
Lin Wood@LLinWood
I do not mince words.
GA Governor Brian Kemp @BrianKempGA is a traitor.
Kemp stole our money and our votes and gave both to China after stuffing some of our money in his own pockets.
Kemp needs to resign IMMEDIATELY. GA Patriots have had enough of his corruption, lies and inaction.
*racks shotgun*
Lin Wood@LLinWood
I do not mince words.
GA Governor Brian Kemp @BrianKempGA is a traitor.
Kemp stole our money and our votes and gave both to China after stuffing some of our money in his own pockets.
Kemp needs to resign IMMEDIATELY. GA Patriots have had enough of his corruption, lies and inaction.
*racks shotgun*
Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at December 04, 2020 03:20 PM (Y8GVo)
55
Movies associated with this theme, Roller Ball, Hunger Games and I'm sure there's more.
***
Also, The Giver - that one even had Meryl Streep playing Hillary Clinton as the evil political leader
***
Also, The Giver - that one even had Meryl Streep playing Hillary Clinton as the evil political leader
Posted by: 18-1 at December 04, 2020 03:20 PM (qlFIA)
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Just seeing if anyone has had luck with uttering some magic phrase that makes this nightmare crap fizzle away.
Posted by: banana Dream at December 04, 2020 03:17 PM (l6b3d)
I think Witchdoktor
Posted by: banana Dream at December 04, 2020 03:17 PM (l6b3d)
I think Witchdoktor
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at December 04, 2020 03:20 PM (zI9dG)
57
Clearly the establishment believes that they can manufacture votes from thin air, so this threat is emptier than you think.
But that is fine with me. If Congress no longer acknowledges legitimate voting then Congress has no further need to exist. Ave, Imperator.
But that is fine with me. If Congress no longer acknowledges legitimate voting then Congress has no further need to exist. Ave, Imperator.
Posted by: trev006 at December 04, 2020 03:20 PM (WSKfa)
58
Build your own Google, Facebook, Twitter, Amazon if you don't like it.
- National Review
Posted by: Asshoes at December 04, 2020 03:16 PM (22mNy)
__________
Go look at the patent portfolio for each of them.
Build your own Google, Facebook, Twitter, Amazon if you don't like it.
- National Review
Posted by: Asshoes at December 04, 2020 03:16 PM (22mNy)
__________
Go look at the patent portfolio for each of them.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 04, 2020 03:20 PM (mht8P)
59
4 So new slogans.
"Fuck the tech oligarchs!"
"China is asshoe!"
Anything else?
Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at December 04, 2020 03:10 PM (Zm+LZ)
__________
"From my cold, dead electrons!"
"Fuck the tech oligarchs!"
"China is asshoe!"
Anything else?
Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at December 04, 2020 03:10 PM (Zm+LZ)
__________
"From my cold, dead electrons!"
Posted by: ShainS at December 04, 2020 03:20 PM (Yt5Im)
60
What are we going to do when the Trump fiction starts to hit home?
Posted by: Flinkin at December 04, 2020 03:20 PM (so+NG)
61
Can't say Eisenhower didn't warn us.
Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at December 04, 2020 03:19 PM (Zm+LZ)
I think his warnings about the academic/media complex are even more breathtaking. Didn't even learn about that until a few years ago. How prescient.
Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at December 04, 2020 03:19 PM (Zm+LZ)
I think his warnings about the academic/media complex are even more breathtaking. Didn't even learn about that until a few years ago. How prescient.
Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at December 04, 2020 03:20 PM (L106N)
62
Welp, the locusts have nearly turned GA blue.
Look out remaining red states. They're coming for you next.
Look out remaining red states. They're coming for you next.
Posted by: President-Elect Jane D'oh at December 04, 2020 03:20 PM (ptqGC)
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https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/
1334405463375417344
.
@realDonaldTrump
I fully support you on this. Please don't back down. The freedom and future of our country is at stake.
Quote Tweet
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
· Dec 1
Section 230, which is a liability shielding gift from the U.S. to "Big Tech" (the only companies in America that have it - corporate welfare!), is a serious threat to our National Security & Election Integrity. Our Country can never be safe & secure if we allow it to stand.....
1334405463375417344
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@realDonaldTrump
I fully support you on this. Please don't back down. The freedom and future of our country is at stake.
Quote Tweet
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
· Dec 1
Section 230, which is a liability shielding gift from the U.S. to "Big Tech" (the only companies in America that have it - corporate welfare!), is a serious threat to our National Security & Election Integrity. Our Country can never be safe & secure if we allow it to stand.....
Posted by: preznit select vmom at December 04, 2020 03:20 PM (nUhF0)
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"All travel, including without limitation, travel on foot, bicycle, scooter, motorcycle, automobile, or public transit is prohibited"...yadda, yadda, yadda...unless you hafta go to the store or doctor.
Mayor Garcetti
Mayor Garcetti
Posted by: lizabth at December 04, 2020 03:20 PM (L3Rsz)
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20 I keep coming back to this, but these GOP politicians are not only whores, their cheap whores.
Google gave Jim Jordan $11,000. Willing to throw the whole USA under the bus over $11k. You can see the donations at opensecrets.
These Big Tech companies own the GOP for what they find under their couch cushions.
Posted by: Blago at December 04, 2020 03:13 PM (gkdnV)
No, that means google employees individually donated $11k.
Google itself, I'm sure, set up some back end deal for him, where he gets a 7-figure no show job when he retires. Or his brother gets to be a vendor for google, and he kicks back some of that money to him.
Or ... something more along those lines.
Google gave Jim Jordan $11,000. Willing to throw the whole USA under the bus over $11k. You can see the donations at opensecrets.
These Big Tech companies own the GOP for what they find under their couch cushions.
Posted by: Blago at December 04, 2020 03:13 PM (gkdnV)
No, that means google employees individually donated $11k.
Google itself, I'm sure, set up some back end deal for him, where he gets a 7-figure no show job when he retires. Or his brother gets to be a vendor for google, and he kicks back some of that money to him.
Or ... something more along those lines.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 04, 2020 03:21 PM (UPoLF)
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Just seeing if anyone has had luck with uttering some magic phrase that makes this nightmare crap fizzle away.
Posted by: banana Dream at December 04, 2020 03:17 PM (l6b3d)
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My company isn't woke. Yet. But my brother's is. He just consistently failed to attend the struggle sessions until someone called him on it, and then he just refused. It's worked so far.
Just seeing if anyone has had luck with uttering some magic phrase that makes this nightmare crap fizzle away.
Posted by: banana Dream at December 04, 2020 03:17 PM (l6b3d)
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My company isn't woke. Yet. But my brother's is. He just consistently failed to attend the struggle sessions until someone called him on it, and then he just refused. It's worked so far.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 04, 2020 03:21 PM (BvLWD)
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So the LA mayor sez no walking, stay in your homes. Softening folks up for Trump's martial law.
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I doubt Trump's martial law will have a lot of bans on public movement. I expect it to be heavier on public executions of politicians that have earned the public's hatred all year.
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I doubt Trump's martial law will have a lot of bans on public movement. I expect it to be heavier on public executions of politicians that have earned the public's hatred all year.
Posted by: Methos at December 04, 2020 03:21 PM (kOpft)
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No 'joy' walking or ridin' in LA. Everything is cancelled.
Posted by: lizabth at December 04, 2020 03:21 PM (L3Rsz)
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Hey everybody.
Ace, I've read that if Sec 230 is repealed, it means the end of comment sections like this one as well as new rules for Twitter/FB et al. Your thoughts? Thanks in advance. :-)
Ace, I've read that if Sec 230 is repealed, it means the end of comment sections like this one as well as new rules for Twitter/FB et al. Your thoughts? Thanks in advance. :-)
Posted by: qdpsteve at December 04, 2020 03:21 PM (L2ZTs)
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If James Inhofe and Mike Lee and Jim Jordan and James Sensenbrenner think they can fucking get hundreds of thousands of votes from Google and FaceBook -- well, let's see them put that plan into action.
Challenge ... accepted.
Challenge ... accepted.
Posted by: GoogBookEr at December 04, 2020 03:21 PM (DMUuz)
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The corporate cronies give the cuckolds money... and they recieve back tenfold from the senators of Our Money in one form or another.... which they in turn give back to the senators, and repeat ad infinitum.
They're just sluicing back and forth our tax money, and grifting a cut off the top for their own pockets at every step in the transaction.
It's graft, theft, and money laundering all rolled into one.
They're just sluicing back and forth our tax money, and grifting a cut off the top for their own pockets at every step in the transaction.
It's graft, theft, and money laundering all rolled into one.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 04, 2020 03:21 PM (6FeV1)
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But that is fine with me. If Congress no longer
acknowledges legitimate voting then Congress has no further need to
exist. Ave, Imperator.
Posted by: trev006 at December 04, 2020 03:20 PM (WSKfa)
Congress is already a rump organization, unwilling to take actions and fend off potential consequences. It's unnecessary for them to cease existing, since their existence is already irrelevant.
acknowledges legitimate voting then Congress has no further need to
exist. Ave, Imperator.
Posted by: trev006 at December 04, 2020 03:20 PM (WSKfa)
Congress is already a rump organization, unwilling to take actions and fend off potential consequences. It's unnecessary for them to cease existing, since their existence is already irrelevant.
Posted by: Radio Control Ready For Action at December 04, 2020 03:22 PM (Eg9+v)
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But, but, but . . . I was assured this wouldn't happen here. Was told I would be a paranoid and a kook if I believed that.
Posted by: Shinjinrui at December 04, 2020 03:22 PM (Gb130)
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I doubt Trump's martial law will have a lot of bans on public movement. I expect it to be heavier on public executions of politicians that have earned the public's hatred all year.
Posted by: Methos
Nevertheless, the peeps will be used to staying at home, waitin' on the stormtroopers to come 'round 'em up.
Posted by: Methos
Nevertheless, the peeps will be used to staying at home, waitin' on the stormtroopers to come 'round 'em up.
Posted by: lizabth at December 04, 2020 03:22 PM (L3Rsz)
Posted by: ... at December 04, 2020 03:22 PM (auIRg)
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So the LA mayor sez no walking, stay in your homes. Softening folks up for Trump's martial law.
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Yep. If unelected pols can sentence you to indefinite home imprisonment for LULZ I don't fear what an American Pinochet is going to do....
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Yep. If unelected pols can sentence you to indefinite home imprisonment for LULZ I don't fear what an American Pinochet is going to do....
Posted by: 18-1 at December 04, 2020 03:22 PM (qlFIA)
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>>and we laughed when Trump talked of Greenland.
He's better cut that deal in the next month and half - otherwise 74M of us have no where to go.
Buy the damn place and change the name to Trumpland - give anyone who wants to start a real republic a free ticket to Melania International Airport in Trumpland. Citizenship automatic for the first 74M...
He's better cut that deal in the next month and half - otherwise 74M of us have no where to go.
Buy the damn place and change the name to Trumpland - give anyone who wants to start a real republic a free ticket to Melania International Airport in Trumpland. Citizenship automatic for the first 74M...
Posted by: Boswell at December 04, 2020 03:22 PM (w2LAm)
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50 Sorry but I don't understand the connection of Section 230 in a Defense Spending Bill.
Willing to be edumacated.
Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks, Look at me at December 04, 2020 03:19 PM (m/vQu)
There isn't really one beyond the "it's not good for national security to have tech companies running our country". This is just how our government functions. "if you don't put an amendment that supports what I want on the bill you want, I won't vote for your bill. Even though the two subjects are entirely unrelated."
Willing to be edumacated.
Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks, Look at me at December 04, 2020 03:19 PM (m/vQu)
There isn't really one beyond the "it's not good for national security to have tech companies running our country". This is just how our government functions. "if you don't put an amendment that supports what I want on the bill you want, I won't vote for your bill. Even though the two subjects are entirely unrelated."
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 04, 2020 03:23 PM (UPoLF)
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What is section 230?
Posted by: Shep Smith at December 04, 2020 03:23 PM (q177U)
Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at December 04, 2020 03:23 PM (Y8GVo)
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One thing to note is that it's not just about corruption. The political class is a cargo cult which largely has no idea how the world works. Alexthechick mentioned on Twitter that the post-WWII institutions have failed. The problem is the the political class we currently have rose up to their positions through those institutions and the associated culture. They learned how to say the magic words and perform the correct rituals, and expected everything to work as it should, but it's no longer doing so.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at December 04, 2020 03:23 PM (jOcSX)
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I don't fear what an American Pinochet is going to do....
Posted by: 18-1
Frankly, at this point, I'm looking forward to it.
Posted by: 18-1
Frankly, at this point, I'm looking forward to it.
Posted by: lizabth at December 04, 2020 03:23 PM (L3Rsz)
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Also, The Giver - that one even had Meryl Streep playing Hillary Clinton as the evil political leader
Posted by: 18-1 at December 04, 2020 03:20 PM (qlFIA)
She was the embodiment of CS Lewis' tyrannical omnipotent moral busybody.
Posted by: 18-1 at December 04, 2020 03:20 PM (qlFIA)
She was the embodiment of CS Lewis' tyrannical omnipotent moral busybody.
Posted by: DR.WTF at December 04, 2020 03:24 PM (AiZBA)
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Or ... something more along those lines.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 04, 2020 03:21 PM (UPoLF)
These people ain't just writing cashiers checks with "GRAFT" in the memo line.
They're all masters at laundering money.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 04, 2020 03:21 PM (UPoLF)
These people ain't just writing cashiers checks with "GRAFT" in the memo line.
They're all masters at laundering money.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 04, 2020 03:24 PM (6FeV1)
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They don't have the votes for an override, but Trump always caves. Always.
Posted by: Best-selling author-elect Christopher R Taylor at December 04, 2020 03:24 PM (KZzsI)
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Welp, the locusts have nearly turned GA blue.
Look out remaining red states. They're coming for you next.
Posted by: President-Elect Jane D'oh at December 04, 2020 03:20 PM (ptqGC)
If by 'locusts' you mean 'election officials.'
Look out remaining red states. They're coming for you next.
Posted by: President-Elect Jane D'oh at December 04, 2020 03:20 PM (ptqGC)
If by 'locusts' you mean 'election officials.'
Posted by: Methos at December 04, 2020 03:24 PM (kOpft)
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"Primary these MFers"
That's so cute.
We just watched A PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION get stolen in real time, right in front of everyone's eyes, in multiple states simultaneously.
Now that our glorious leaders know we're willing to accept this level of fraud, now that they know what they can get away with, we won't be seeing them act this subtly again. It only goes up from here.
That's so cute.
We just watched A PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION get stolen in real time, right in front of everyone's eyes, in multiple states simultaneously.
Now that our glorious leaders know we're willing to accept this level of fraud, now that they know what they can get away with, we won't be seeing them act this subtly again. It only goes up from here.
Posted by: harbqll at December 04, 2020 03:24 PM (LXDqI)
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VETO IT. Don't even spare one second. Bounce it back immediately.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 04, 2020 03:24 PM (oVJmc)
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Dan Bongino and Styxhexenhammer666 think getting rid of 230 is a terrible idea, and I tend to agree with them.
They're argument is that it will leave the smaller outfits that do not censor with no protection, while the big Tech companies continue to censor. Apparently Zuckerberg seems to be warming up to the idea of repealing 230.
Styx had a video the other day with a simple solution. Enforce 230. Twitter and the like are functioning as publishers so just strip them of the protection 230 provides.
Makes sense to me.
They're argument is that it will leave the smaller outfits that do not censor with no protection, while the big Tech companies continue to censor. Apparently Zuckerberg seems to be warming up to the idea of repealing 230.
Styx had a video the other day with a simple solution. Enforce 230. Twitter and the like are functioning as publishers so just strip them of the protection 230 provides.
Makes sense to me.
Posted by: chique l'African Viking Math Queen King of Greenland (Your/Majesty/yes) at December 04, 2020 03:24 PM (9hauA)
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Trump is wrong on this one. Section 230 isn't the problem - in fact, AoSHQ (along with every other website/blog/etc.) would likely have to close its comments section if it were repealed.
There are measures needed to prevent big tech from stopping the free flow of information, but repealing section 230 ain't it.
There are measures needed to prevent big tech from stopping the free flow of information, but repealing section 230 ain't it.
Posted by: can of spam at December 04, 2020 03:24 PM (i7Gob)
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Considering how big a joke our elections are now, they might be able to get all the votes they need from Google and Facebook
Posted by: brak at December 04, 2020 03:24 PM (cG+eD)
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I think we need Trump's martial law. Jesus would not allow him to declare it, it it were not warranted. Facts are facts.
Posted by: Flinkin at December 04, 2020 03:24 PM (so+NG)
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holy ish I saw that -- NO WALKING?!?!
WTF?
Posted by: ace at December 04, 2020 03:16 PM (nuqdl)
I posted 2 threads ago. See zero hedge
https://tinyurl.com/y6djgsu8
WTF?
Posted by: ace at December 04, 2020 03:16 PM (nuqdl)
I posted 2 threads ago. See zero hedge
https://tinyurl.com/y6djgsu8
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 04, 2020 03:24 PM (sfhL4)
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But, but, but . . . I was assured this wouldn't happen here. Was told I would be a paranoid and a kook if I believed that.
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If you described the world of 2020 to someone in 2000 they wouldn't believe you.
Just starting with "Donald Trump leader of the resistance" and Senile Joe Biden, proudly in the employee of China as the leader of the Tyranny and people would think you were crazy.
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If you described the world of 2020 to someone in 2000 they wouldn't believe you.
Just starting with "Donald Trump leader of the resistance" and Senile Joe Biden, proudly in the employee of China as the leader of the Tyranny and people would think you were crazy.
Posted by: 18-1 at December 04, 2020 03:25 PM (qlFIA)
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VETO IT. Don't even spare one second. Bounce it back immediately.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 04, 2020 03:24 PM (oVJmc)
Veto any bill you didn't write.
VETO IT. Don't even spare one second. Bounce it back immediately.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 04, 2020 03:24 PM (oVJmc)
Veto any bill you didn't write.
Posted by: Radio Control Ready For Action at December 04, 2020 03:25 PM (Eg9+v)
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Look out remaining red states. They're coming for you next.
Posted by: President-Elect Jane D'oh
Well, enough leave, the blues go red, so there's that.
Posted by: President-Elect Jane D'oh
Well, enough leave, the blues go red, so there's that.
Posted by: lizabth at December 04, 2020 03:25 PM (L3Rsz)
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"We cannot hope to have a functional (as opposed to a nominal) democracy when property and information are controlled by a small number of companies tightly allied with political power. This is not either a right-wing issue or a left-wing one, but a matter of protecting our republic before it is too late."
Welcome to the fucking party, pal!
Welcome to the fucking party, pal!
Posted by: John McClane at December 04, 2020 03:25 PM (lOtJl)
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As we reported earlier this week, the order prohibits "all travel, including, without limitation, travel on foot, bicycle, scooter, motorcycle, automobile, or public transit," with limited exceptions.
"All travel, including, without limitation, travel on foot, bicycle, scooter, motorcycle, automobile, or public transit is prohibited, subject to the exceptions in Paragraph V."
"All travel, including, without limitation, travel on foot, bicycle, scooter, motorcycle, automobile, or public transit is prohibited, subject to the exceptions in Paragraph V."
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 04, 2020 03:25 PM (sfhL4)
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willowed:
453 310 At least Kemp is a goner, as is Ducey
Posted by: Jonah at December 04, 2020 02:52 PM (aENAX)
Tank will win the Gov and then GA will get the government/tyranny it well and truly deserves.
Posted by: Eli Cash at December 04, 2020 03:11 PM (SScvq)
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I wouldn't be surprised to see Cindy McCain run and win in Arizona. After all, it was due to her efforts that Arizona indulged in fraud against Trump.
453 310 At least Kemp is a goner, as is Ducey
Posted by: Jonah at December 04, 2020 02:52 PM (aENAX)
Tank will win the Gov and then GA will get the government/tyranny it well and truly deserves.
Posted by: Eli Cash at December 04, 2020 03:11 PM (SScvq)
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I wouldn't be surprised to see Cindy McCain run and win in Arizona. After all, it was due to her efforts that Arizona indulged in fraud against Trump.
Posted by: President Elect Decaf at December 04, 2020 03:25 PM (hpVf/)
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>Ace, I've read that if Sec 230 is repealed, it means the end of comment sections like this one as well as new rules for Twitter/FB et al. Your thoughts? Thanks in advance. :-)
Posted by: qdpsteve at December 04, 2020 03:21 PM (L2ZTs)
In the sense that Ace and other site owners could be liable for anything a Moby poster says, then yes, it probably would cause a lot of comment sections to close. Because it would be super easy for leftists to get the site owner in deep shit with various federal agencies (as opposed to just trying to con some hot-headed commenters in saying something to make the site look bad, as the current glowies are doing).
Posted by: qdpsteve at December 04, 2020 03:21 PM (L2ZTs)
In the sense that Ace and other site owners could be liable for anything a Moby poster says, then yes, it probably would cause a lot of comment sections to close. Because it would be super easy for leftists to get the site owner in deep shit with various federal agencies (as opposed to just trying to con some hot-headed commenters in saying something to make the site look bad, as the current glowies are doing).
Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at December 04, 2020 03:25 PM (L106N)
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Buy the damn place and change the name to Trumpland - give anyone who wants to start a real republic a free ticket to Melania International Airport in Trumpland. Citizenship automatic for the first 74M...
Posted by: Boswell at December 04, 2020 03:22 PM (w2LAm)
Make chique the Governor General
Posted by: Boswell at December 04, 2020 03:22 PM (w2LAm)
Make chique the Governor General
Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 04, 2020 03:26 PM (6FeV1)
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Also from HotFart:
https://hotair.com/archives/
john-s-2/2020/12/04/
california-sheriffs-say-wont-enforce-
gov-newsoms-stay-home-orders-businesses/
I want LA County Sheriff Villanueva for the next governor of California.
https://hotair.com/archives/
john-s-2/2020/12/04/
california-sheriffs-say-wont-enforce-
gov-newsoms-stay-home-orders-businesses/
I want LA County Sheriff Villanueva for the next governor of California.
Posted by: qdpsteve at December 04, 2020 03:26 PM (L2ZTs)
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Garcetti also ordered all residents living in the city "to remain in their homes," while barring all inter-household gatherings and requiring all non-essential businesses to either close, or have all their employees return to working from home.
why hasn't this guy been arrested?
why hasn't this guy been arrested?
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 04, 2020 03:26 PM (sfhL4)
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Trump is wrong on this one. Section 230 isn't the problem - in fact,
AoSHQ (along with every other website/blog/etc.) would likely have to
close its comments section if it were repealed.
There are measures needed to prevent big tech from stopping the free flow of information, but repealing section 230 ain't it.
Posted by: can of spam at December 04, 2020 03:24 PM (i7Gob)
Sites like AoS could already be shut down by various providers if the "powers that be" went after them; sec 230 is not protecting them.
Trump is wrong on this one. Section 230 isn't the problem - in fact,
AoSHQ (along with every other website/blog/etc.) would likely have to
close its comments section if it were repealed.
There are measures needed to prevent big tech from stopping the free flow of information, but repealing section 230 ain't it.
Posted by: can of spam at December 04, 2020 03:24 PM (i7Gob)
Sites like AoS could already be shut down by various providers if the "powers that be" went after them; sec 230 is not protecting them.
Posted by: Radio Control Ready For Action at December 04, 2020 03:26 PM (Eg9+v)
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I'm here.
How can you prohibit people from leaving their homes? Isn't that martial law?
What about people who pick up the trash or deal with public utilities? It says you can only leave to go to the store or doctor but who can leave to go man the store or staff the hospital.
This makes no sense medically or socially. It is okay to go to the grocery store but not walk outside?
This is nuts. Everyone should leave their house and go sit on the sidewalk.
How can you prohibit people from leaving their homes? Isn't that martial law?
What about people who pick up the trash or deal with public utilities? It says you can only leave to go to the store or doctor but who can leave to go man the store or staff the hospital.
This makes no sense medically or socially. It is okay to go to the grocery store but not walk outside?
This is nuts. Everyone should leave their house and go sit on the sidewalk.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at December 04, 2020 03:26 PM (sd8p8)
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89 Dan Bongino and Styxhexenhammer666 think getting rid of 230 is a terrible idea, and I tend to agree with them.
They're argument is that it will leave the smaller outfits that do not censor with no protection, while the big Tech companies continue to censor. Apparently Zuckerberg seems to be warming up to the idea of repealing 230.
Styx had a video the other day with a simple solution. Enforce 230. Twitter and the like are functioning as publishers so just strip them of the protection 230 provides.
Makes sense to me.
Posted by: chique l'African Viking Math Queen King of Greenland (Your/Majesty/yes) at December 04, 2020 03:24 PM (9hauA)
Politicians actually push to enforce laws against their corporate paymasters? You dear, sweet, naive child...
They're argument is that it will leave the smaller outfits that do not censor with no protection, while the big Tech companies continue to censor. Apparently Zuckerberg seems to be warming up to the idea of repealing 230.
Styx had a video the other day with a simple solution. Enforce 230. Twitter and the like are functioning as publishers so just strip them of the protection 230 provides.
Makes sense to me.
Posted by: chique l'African Viking Math Queen King of Greenland (Your/Majesty/yes) at December 04, 2020 03:24 PM (9hauA)
Politicians actually push to enforce laws against their corporate paymasters? You dear, sweet, naive child...
Posted by: Insomniac at December 04, 2020 03:26 PM (nakwk)
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It is truly simple. Biden is supported by globalists who look at the world as one giant market. Trump is supported by nationalists who recognize that if we don't take care of America, the world will crumble.
Posted by: iandeal at December 04, 2020 03:26 PM (vgGyZ)
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Oh! now that the election is over Trump was never the fascist they say.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 04, 2020 03:26 PM (r+sAi)
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But that is fine with me. If Congress no longer
acknowledges legitimate voting then Congress has no further need to
exist. Ave, Imperator.
Posted by: trev006 at December 04, 2020 03:20 PM (WSKfa)
Congress
is already a rump organization, unwilling to take actions and fend off
potential consequences. It's unnecessary for them to cease existing,
since their existence is already irrelevant.
Posted by: Radio Control Ready For Action at December 04, 2020 03:22 PM (Eg9+v)
There is value in punishment.
acknowledges legitimate voting then Congress has no further need to
exist. Ave, Imperator.
Posted by: trev006 at December 04, 2020 03:20 PM (WSKfa)
Congress
is already a rump organization, unwilling to take actions and fend off
potential consequences. It's unnecessary for them to cease existing,
since their existence is already irrelevant.
Posted by: Radio Control Ready For Action at December 04, 2020 03:22 PM (Eg9+v)
There is value in punishment.
Posted by: Methos at December 04, 2020 03:26 PM (kOpft)
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they no longer need, or even count, our actual votes...
they just program in the results they want and, voila!
they just program in the results they want and, voila!
Posted by: redc1c4, Trump Won! at December 04, 2020 03:26 PM (X/O1y)
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"This is not either a right-wing issue or a left-wing one, but a matter of protecting our republic before it is too late."
Uh, it's too late.
Uh, it's too late.
Posted by: Gaff at December 04, 2020 03:26 PM (jPS2y)
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How can you prohibit people from leaving their homes? Isn't that martial law?
See also marital law.
See also marital law.
Posted by: Insomniac at December 04, 2020 03:26 PM (nakwk)
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79 What is section 230?
Posted by: Shep Smith at December 04, 2020 03:23 PM (q177U)
The section in between 229 and 231 obviously.
Posted by: Shep Smith at December 04, 2020 03:23 PM (q177U)
The section in between 229 and 231 obviously.
Posted by: Asshoes at December 04, 2020 03:26 PM (22mNy)
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Buy the damn place and change the name to Trumpland - give anyone who wants to start a real republic a free ticket to Melania International Airport in Trumpland. Citizenship automatic for the first 74M...
Posted by: Boswell at December 04, 2020 03:22 PM (w2LAm)
Make chique the Governor General
Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 04, 2020 03:26 PM (6FeV1)
I will go along with this plan for a very steep price.
Posted by: Boswell at December 04, 2020 03:22 PM (w2LAm)
Make chique the Governor General
Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 04, 2020 03:26 PM (6FeV1)
I will go along with this plan for a very steep price.
Posted by: chique l'African Viking Math Queen King of Greenland (Your/Majesty/yes) at December 04, 2020 03:26 PM (9hauA)
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There's only one way out of this, and it only works if Trump is actually the frontman for patriotic military, and most of the real military leadership is on board. You can't use the system to beat the system if the system is openly cheating
Posted by: azjaeger at December 04, 2020 03:27 PM (3/XaG)
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in other news, repost
LA County Sheriff Says Department Won't Enforce Governor's Stay at Home Orders
Good.
h/t legal insurrection
I read that you aren't even allowed out on foot, scooters, bikes, etc.
Newsom has snapped. He is just plain mad.
IGNORE THEM ALL
LA County Sheriff Says Department Won't Enforce Governor's Stay at Home Orders
Good.
h/t legal insurrection
I read that you aren't even allowed out on foot, scooters, bikes, etc.
Newsom has snapped. He is just plain mad.
IGNORE THEM ALL
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 04, 2020 03:27 PM (sfhL4)
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Once this is over, if Trump loses, he needs to announce that he won't attend the inauguration, and instead will host a rally that same day in DC, and will be starting a new political party.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at December 04, 2020 03:12 PM (jOcSX)
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Brilliant suggestion. He should not dignify their shit show with his presence. After all, weren't there numerous Democrats who refused to attend his inauguration?
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at December 04, 2020 03:12 PM (jOcSX)
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Brilliant suggestion. He should not dignify their shit show with his presence. After all, weren't there numerous Democrats who refused to attend his inauguration?
Posted by: President Elect Decaf at December 04, 2020 03:27 PM (hpVf/)
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79 What is section 230?
Posted by: Shep Smith at December 04, 2020 03:23 PM (q177U)
A section of the Communications Decency Act passed in '96ish that essentially makes a legal distinction between "publishers" and "platforms" on the internet.
So a news paper is a "publisher." They are responsible for the content they publish. They can get sued for defamation, for copyright infringement, for all kinds of things based on what they publish.
Facebook et al. were typically thought of as "platforms." Meaning, they cannot be sued for content users post. Implicit in that huge benefit granted to them by congress was that they must act like a platform that doesn't take view-point centric positions on what content to allow and what to disallow.
Once they started doing that in a big way (last 4-5 years), they started to look a whole lot more like publishers then platforms. In which case, they don't deserve legal immunity.
Posted by: Shep Smith at December 04, 2020 03:23 PM (q177U)
A section of the Communications Decency Act passed in '96ish that essentially makes a legal distinction between "publishers" and "platforms" on the internet.
So a news paper is a "publisher." They are responsible for the content they publish. They can get sued for defamation, for copyright infringement, for all kinds of things based on what they publish.
Facebook et al. were typically thought of as "platforms." Meaning, they cannot be sued for content users post. Implicit in that huge benefit granted to them by congress was that they must act like a platform that doesn't take view-point centric positions on what content to allow and what to disallow.
Once they started doing that in a big way (last 4-5 years), they started to look a whole lot more like publishers then platforms. In which case, they don't deserve legal immunity.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 04, 2020 03:27 PM (UPoLF)
119
where in that Wash Times article does it say Inhofe is threatening to override Trump's veto?
Posted by: Ken Mcilwaine at December 04, 2020 03:27 PM (QHDGU)
120
why hasn't this guy been arrested?
Posted by: artisanal 'ette
Why do you hate people and want them to die? /s
(you know that's what they'd say)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette
Why do you hate people and want them to die? /s
(you know that's what they'd say)
Posted by: lizabth at December 04, 2020 03:27 PM (L3Rsz)
121
What are everyone's favorite dessert for Christmas meals? Pies? Cakes (please don't say fruit cake)?
Croatian Walnut bread. I think it's called something like Povitica or Potica. Bunch varieties in Central / Eastern Europe. Recipe came with Great Grandma from the old country.
Croatian Walnut bread. I think it's called something like Povitica or Potica. Bunch varieties in Central / Eastern Europe. Recipe came with Great Grandma from the old country.
Posted by: Hands - happy otter bewbs with guns at December 04, 2020 03:27 PM (786Ro)
Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at December 04, 2020 03:28 PM (Y8GVo)
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The Republic died the night that Joe Biden was given 20M false votes and it wasn't followed by a bunch of arrests.
The question is what is going to replace it. American China or American Chile?
The question is what is going to replace it. American China or American Chile?
Posted by: 18-1 at December 04, 2020 03:28 PM (qlFIA)
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According to Forbes:
Most fundamentally, Section 230 provides immunity to social media companies like Facebook and Twitter TWTR +0.4% against being sued over the content on their site. This allows them to operate and flourish without needing to moderate content.
Most fundamentally, Section 230 provides immunity to social media companies like Facebook and Twitter TWTR +0.4% against being sued over the content on their site. This allows them to operate and flourish without needing to moderate content.
Posted by: Best-selling author-elect Christopher R Taylor at December 04, 2020 03:28 PM (KZzsI)
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Posted by: Radio Control Ready For Action at December 04, 2020 03:22 PM (Eg9+v)
There is value in punishment.
Posted by: Methos at December 04, 2020 03:26 PM (kOpft)
Trump does not appear to have a horse to appoint in Pence's stead... so I see your point.
There is value in punishment.
Posted by: Methos at December 04, 2020 03:26 PM (kOpft)
Trump does not appear to have a horse to appoint in Pence's stead... so I see your point.
Posted by: Radio Control Ready For Action at December 04, 2020 03:28 PM (Eg9+v)
126
Also according to America Voice News, the ATL GA voting board supervisor refused to attend today's hearing, he was too busy.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 04, 2020 03:16 PM (ztzef)
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Since when does he have the discretion to not attend?
Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 04, 2020 03:16 PM (ztzef)
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Since when does he have the discretion to not attend?
Posted by: President Elect Decaf at December 04, 2020 03:28 PM (hpVf/)
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@89
All you have to do is turn social media companies into a public utility and public accommodations, common carriers that are regulated similarly to telcom and power utilities and be done with this bullshit.
But alas, neither party is going to move against them, for obvious if not slightly different reasons.
All you have to do is turn social media companies into a public utility and public accommodations, common carriers that are regulated similarly to telcom and power utilities and be done with this bullshit.
But alas, neither party is going to move against them, for obvious if not slightly different reasons.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 04, 2020 03:28 PM (ztzef)
128
Sock fail, LOL
Posted by: Shep Smith at December 04, 2020 03:28 PM (q177U)
129
82 I don't fear what an American Pinochet is going to do....
Posted by: 18-1
Frankly, at this point, I'm looking forward to it.
Posted by: lizabth at December 04, 2020 03:23 PM (L3Rsz)
It's about the only thing left to look forward to.
Posted by: 18-1
Frankly, at this point, I'm looking forward to it.
Posted by: lizabth at December 04, 2020 03:23 PM (L3Rsz)
It's about the only thing left to look forward to.
Posted by: Ordinary American at December 04, 2020 03:28 PM (H8QX8)
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>>Garcetti also ordered all residents living in the city "to remain in their homes," while barring all inter-household gatherings and requiring all non-essential businesses to either close, or have all their employees return to working from home.
The Nazis were nicer to the citizens of Paris during their occupation...
The Nazis were nicer to the citizens of Paris during their occupation...
Posted by: Boswell at December 04, 2020 03:28 PM (w2LAm)
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The question is what is going to replace it. American China or American Chile?
Worldwide economic collapse and instability, with violence at home.
Worldwide economic collapse and instability, with violence at home.
Posted by: Best-selling author-elect Christopher R Taylor at December 04, 2020 03:28 PM (KZzsI)
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Inhofe is almost 90 years old, iirc. It was funny when he lost the mayoral race in Tulsa and his bitch-faced wife gave a "you disgusting slugs won't have us royalty to kick around anymore" speech. And, then, almost immediately old Jim was back pimping for a GOPe job.
Posted by: EveR at December 04, 2020 03:29 PM (DsGxB)
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Politicians actually push to enforce laws against their corporate paymasters? You dear, sweet, naive child...
Posted by: Insomniac at December 04, 2020 03:26 PM (nakwk)
Fine. The point is that they believe repealing 230 will do more harm than good and cement the Big Tech oligarchs' rule over us all. The smaller outfits will not be able to cope.
The politicians won't repeal laws that favor their paymasters either.
Posted by: Insomniac at December 04, 2020 03:26 PM (nakwk)
Fine. The point is that they believe repealing 230 will do more harm than good and cement the Big Tech oligarchs' rule over us all. The smaller outfits will not be able to cope.
The politicians won't repeal laws that favor their paymasters either.
Posted by: chique l'African Viking Math Queen King of Greenland (Your/Majesty/yes) at December 04, 2020 03:29 PM (9hauA)
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Oh know I posted on the wrong thread. I crossed the streams.
Posted by: Hands - happy otter bewbs with guns at December 04, 2020 03:29 PM (786Ro)
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It is good to see the president at least making a gesture toward standing up against the tech giants and their brutality toward freedom of speech
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, Best-selling author-elect at December 04, 2020 03:29 PM (KZzsI)
136
Some young one (guessing) just drove by in what sounded like some kind of HellCat, taunting my R8 for no good reason. All be bak.
Posted by: Flinkin at December 04, 2020 03:30 PM (so+NG)
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Once they started doing that in a big way (last 4-5 years), they started to look a whole lot more like publishers then platforms. In which case, they don't deserve legal immunity.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 04, 2020 03:27 PM (UPoLF)
This is the point.
Once they started doing that in a big way (last 4-5 years), they started to look a whole lot more like publishers then platforms. In which case, they don't deserve legal immunity.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 04, 2020 03:27 PM (UPoLF)
This is the point.
Posted by: chique l'African Viking Math Queen King of Greenland (Your/Majesty/yes) at December 04, 2020 03:30 PM (9hauA)
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@127
I think he invoked the Deez Nutz provisions of GA election laws.
I mean, they just stole an election, so complying with requests to appear would seem to be a low compliance priority.
I think he invoked the Deez Nutz provisions of GA election laws.
I mean, they just stole an election, so complying with requests to appear would seem to be a low compliance priority.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 04, 2020 03:30 PM (ztzef)
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Sen. Kelly Loeffler lost a staff member in an accident today.
So she is not appearing at the live event (RSB). Doug Collins explaining and saying prayer
So she is not appearing at the live event (RSB). Doug Collins explaining and saying prayer
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 04, 2020 03:30 PM (sfhL4)
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@General Donaldus Maximus
The best way to insure a
@KLoeffler
and
@sendavidperdue
VICTORY is to allow signature checks in the Presidential race, which will insure a Georgia Presidential win (very few votes are needed, many will be found). Spirits will soar and everyone will rush out and VOTE!
@BrianKempGA
8:09 PM Dec 3, 2020
(Looks like Trump agrees with those who value their votes and sees through the DNC?RNC scam)(I pray for the Insurrection Act in my state. I want Order now.)
The best way to insure a
@KLoeffler
and
@sendavidperdue
VICTORY is to allow signature checks in the Presidential race, which will insure a Georgia Presidential win (very few votes are needed, many will be found). Spirits will soar and everyone will rush out and VOTE!
@BrianKempGA
8:09 PM Dec 3, 2020
(Looks like Trump agrees with those who value their votes and sees through the DNC?RNC scam)(I pray for the Insurrection Act in my state. I want Order now.)
Posted by: bat nationalist at December 04, 2020 03:31 PM (R1LMN)
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This allows them to operate and flourish without needing to moderate content.
Posted by: Best-selling author-elect Christopher R Taylor at December 04, 2020 03:28 PM (KZzsI)
But they do moderate it -- to an extreme.
Posted by: Best-selling author-elect Christopher R Taylor at December 04, 2020 03:28 PM (KZzsI)
But they do moderate it -- to an extreme.
Posted by: Ordinary American at December 04, 2020 03:31 PM (H8QX8)
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Why bother funding the military if you're going to allow the country to be conquered at the ballot box.
VETO
VETO
Posted by: TakeFive at December 04, 2020 03:31 PM (kvvl7)
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Tried to order food delivered on Uber Eats on my phone. That interface has to be one of the worst ever designed by man. And then it just hung when it came to cash out. So I guess I get no delivery after all.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, Best-selling author-elect at December 04, 2020 03:31 PM (KZzsI)
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artisanal, Loeffler seems to keep having calamities.
Posted by: qdpsteve at December 04, 2020 03:31 PM (L2ZTs)
145
Cody Hall
@CodyHallGA
Due to a family emergency, @GovKemp and @GAFirstLady
will not be able to greet the Vice President in Savannah today
Coward.
@CodyHallGA
Due to a family emergency, @GovKemp and @GAFirstLady
will not be able to greet the Vice President in Savannah today
Coward.
Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at December 04, 2020 03:31 PM (Y8GVo)
146
Sites like AoS could already be shut down by various providers if the "powers that be" went after them; sec 230 is not protecting them.
Posted by: Radio Control Ready For Action at December 04, 2020 03:26 PM (Eg9+v)
No, it would be more of a case of people suing the AoSHQ, LLC (or whatever ace's company is called) for content posted by commenters. And ace would be liable for it.
So if someone called a politician a "corrupt hack" (true or not), ace could potentially be legally liable to that politician. Not that the politician would likely prevail, but it would be a quick and easy way to put ace out of business with legal fees.
So the obvious solution would be for ace to just disable comments.
Posted by: Radio Control Ready For Action at December 04, 2020 03:26 PM (Eg9+v)
No, it would be more of a case of people suing the AoSHQ, LLC (or whatever ace's company is called) for content posted by commenters. And ace would be liable for it.
So if someone called a politician a "corrupt hack" (true or not), ace could potentially be legally liable to that politician. Not that the politician would likely prevail, but it would be a quick and easy way to put ace out of business with legal fees.
So the obvious solution would be for ace to just disable comments.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 04, 2020 03:31 PM (UPoLF)
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But they do moderate it -- to an extreme.
Well, and that's the problem, they aren't living up to their end of the bargain.
Well, and that's the problem, they aren't living up to their end of the bargain.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, Best-selling author-elect at December 04, 2020 03:31 PM (KZzsI)
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I'm heartened to see more and more people talking about the Insurrection Act.
Posted by: Ordinary American at December 04, 2020 03:31 PM (H8QX8)
Posted by: qdpsteve at December 04, 2020 03:31 PM (L2ZTs)
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I'll post this for those that don't follow Styxhexenhammer:
https://youtu.be/UYwDq8SqOk4
I have come around to his point of view on 230. The big companies will use it to put alt tech out of business as they will have AI to police their sites. He thinks we need to expand 230.
https://youtu.be/UYwDq8SqOk4
I have come around to his point of view on 230. The big companies will use it to put alt tech out of business as they will have AI to police their sites. He thinks we need to expand 230.
Posted by: notsothoreau at December 04, 2020 03:32 PM (JKNZq)
151
These companies helped China censor their citizens. Why wouldn't they do the same to the US? We learned nothing as they helped the communist Chinese government control what their citizens could access/say on the internet.
Will I be eaten last? Should I spice up with a rub?
Will I be eaten last? Should I spice up with a rub?
Posted by: Unkaren at December 04, 2020 03:32 PM (vGJY7)
152
Sen. Kelly Loeffler lost a staff member in an accident today.
So she is not appearing at the live event (RSB).
Sure, Jan.
So she is not appearing at the live event (RSB).
Sure, Jan.
Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at December 04, 2020 03:32 PM (Y8GVo)
153
141
This allows them to operate and flourish without needing to moderate content.
Posted by: Best-selling author-elect Christopher R Taylor at December 04, 2020 03:28 PM (KZzsI)
But they do moderate it -- to an extreme.
Posted by: Ordinary American at December 04, 2020 03:31 PM (H8QX
Yes and no. For example, if someone posts libel on Twitter, Twitter is not liable for publishing libel. They can moderate out libel they don't like (politically) and keep what they do. Cake and eating it too.
This allows them to operate and flourish without needing to moderate content.
Posted by: Best-selling author-elect Christopher R Taylor at December 04, 2020 03:28 PM (KZzsI)
But they do moderate it -- to an extreme.
Posted by: Ordinary American at December 04, 2020 03:31 PM (H8QX
Yes and no. For example, if someone posts libel on Twitter, Twitter is not liable for publishing libel. They can moderate out libel they don't like (politically) and keep what they do. Cake and eating it too.
Posted by: Radio Control Ready For Action at December 04, 2020 03:32 PM (Eg9+v)
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I think the six state path was a Zuckerberg op. I think Biden's "great leap forward" was coordinated. I feel like that is where their cheat is the most vulnerable. We need to expose the coordination, but I don't see how that's possible outside of an NSA white hat with tangible evidence.
Posted by: Max Power at December 04, 2020 03:32 PM (q177U)
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I'm not sure a repeal of 230 is wise. That's literally what they've been wanting. Simply call them publishers for now, then an amended 230 (written in fucking 1996 for crying out loud) can be implemented, focusing on what social media has become.
Back in the day, it was simply to protect a platform for having their asses sued if some asshole posted child porn. The internet was in its infancy, and we've now seen the terrible behemoths that big tech has become.
Back in the day, it was simply to protect a platform for having their asses sued if some asshole posted child porn. The internet was in its infancy, and we've now seen the terrible behemoths that big tech has become.
Posted by: clutch cargo Now 100% Lubricant Free at December 04, 2020 03:32 PM (L8ADy)
156
Repealing 230 would actually crush all of social media except for the Big Tech monopolies. The Left would bury all the upstart alternative outlets with lawfare. Sites like Parler would be crushed while Facebook and Twitter would have the resources to survive. At a minimum there would need to be carve out protections for smaller sites or sites that don't editorialize by banning "Misinformation" and "Hate Speech".
Posted by: BoycottFoxNews at December 04, 2020 03:32 PM (zyOWE)
157
I think Republicans should sit out because i will laugh my ass off if/when Purdue and Lady Mao win, when it will be obvious that they lost. I can see this playing out because the grift game don't lie.
Posted by: bat nationalist at December 04, 2020 03:32 PM (R1LMN)
158
So the obvious solution would be for ace to just disable comments.
Or to put up a disclaimer noting that he is not a content provider, that comments are not part of ACE INC LLC and he simply is allowing public input on his work
Or to put up a disclaimer noting that he is not a content provider, that comments are not part of ACE INC LLC and he simply is allowing public input on his work
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, Best-selling author-elect at December 04, 2020 03:32 PM (KZzsI)
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You want to override the veto? Good. Put your name on it fellas. Stop just living in sin with your corporate masters; put a ring on it.
Can't Trump veto this H1-B nonsense too? Screw that unanimous* voice vote in the Senate; make them pricks go on the record for overriding that veto too.
*really, you spinless worms? Not ONE Senator opposes flooding the country with cheap tech labor...
Sad. The rogering continues.
Can't Trump veto this H1-B nonsense too? Screw that unanimous* voice vote in the Senate; make them pricks go on the record for overriding that veto too.
*really, you spinless worms? Not ONE Senator opposes flooding the country with cheap tech labor...
Sad. The rogering continues.
Posted by: GnuBreed at December 04, 2020 03:32 PM (veMj1)
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I was pointing out this morning, someone mentioned the alignment of Jupiter-Saturn this year over Christmas was a rare event.
I thought, "that's cool, how rare?"
Google it-- lots of news stories on it.
Every single one the same, all cribbed from the same source.
So, that's what we get-- the illusion.
No actual different sources, no actual variety.
That's our future--32 different flavors as long as you like vanilla
I thought, "that's cool, how rare?"
Google it-- lots of news stories on it.
Every single one the same, all cribbed from the same source.
So, that's what we get-- the illusion.
No actual different sources, no actual variety.
That's our future--32 different flavors as long as you like vanilla
Posted by: RoyalOil at December 04, 2020 03:33 PM (aO8Gd)
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Of course, when Draconian restrictions like Garcetti's don't work, it will not be because they were useless and absurd but because they were insufficiently Draconian and not 100% obeyed by you plebs.
Of course, when Draconian restrictions like Garcetti's don't work, it will not be because they were useless and absurd but because they were insufficiently Draconian and not 100% obeyed by you plebs.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 04, 2020 03:33 PM (mht8P)
162
That's literally what they've been wanting.
That must be why Zuck etc fight so hard to keep it, because they secretly want it to be repealed.
That must be why Zuck etc fight so hard to keep it, because they secretly want it to be repealed.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, Best-selling author-elect at December 04, 2020 03:33 PM (KZzsI)
163
Yeah I think Trump's slightly on the wrong path here with 230, I think enforcement of existing regs might be enough to curb the orwellian onslaught.
But soak in the degradation and collapse of the civic culture.
The "media" guy for the transition team for the demented corrupt unknown non-entity supposedly elected with a massive wave of support never seen in American history has an airhead authoritarian mindset - "hate speech".
Of course there's always the wise, brave, incredibly impressive US judiciary to protect the most basic freedom of a nominally free and open society - free expression - right??
Black humor - it's all that's left.
But soak in the degradation and collapse of the civic culture.
The "media" guy for the transition team for the demented corrupt unknown non-entity supposedly elected with a massive wave of support never seen in American history has an airhead authoritarian mindset - "hate speech".
Of course there's always the wise, brave, incredibly impressive US judiciary to protect the most basic freedom of a nominally free and open society - free expression - right??
Black humor - it's all that's left.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 04, 2020 03:33 PM (OTzUX)
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Things have reached the point where the Supreme Court must address the election fraud or be thought a fraud by 75 million voters.
We must know and soon how many Justices are frauds.
I know there will be enormous pressure on them to decide against Trump because the Left will try to burn down the country but doing so simply means that 75 million voters have been disenfranchised. The 79 million Biden voters is disputed but 75 million Trump voters is not.
We must know and soon how many Justices are frauds.
I know there will be enormous pressure on them to decide against Trump because the Left will try to burn down the country but doing so simply means that 75 million voters have been disenfranchised. The 79 million Biden voters is disputed but 75 million Trump voters is not.
Posted by: President Elect Decaf at December 04, 2020 03:33 PM (hpVf/)
165
artisanal, Loeffler seems to keep having calamities.
Posted by: qdpsteve at December 04, 2020 03:31 PM (L2ZTs)
The chaos surrounding these races is on the Democrats.
They built this. People are suffering.
Posted by: qdpsteve at December 04, 2020 03:31 PM (L2ZTs)
The chaos surrounding these races is on the Democrats.
They built this. People are suffering.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 04, 2020 03:33 PM (sfhL4)
166
89
Styx had a video the other day with a simple solution. Enforce 230. Twitter and the like are functioning as publishers so just strip them of the protection 230 provides.
Makes sense to me.
Posted by: chique l'African Viking Math Queen King of Greenland (Your/Majesty/yes) at December 04, 2020 03:24 PM
Sure, get the Deep State to start enforcing the laws on the books! Why didn't anyone think of that before! Hey, and then we can prosecute those FBI guys that falsified evidence against Flynn! Barely an inconvenience!
Styx had a video the other day with a simple solution. Enforce 230. Twitter and the like are functioning as publishers so just strip them of the protection 230 provides.
Makes sense to me.
Posted by: chique l'African Viking Math Queen King of Greenland (Your/Majesty/yes) at December 04, 2020 03:24 PM
Sure, get the Deep State to start enforcing the laws on the books! Why didn't anyone think of that before! Hey, and then we can prosecute those FBI guys that falsified evidence against Flynn! Barely an inconvenience!
Posted by: Grimmy at December 04, 2020 03:34 PM (lOtJl)
167
Cody Hall
@CodyHallGA
Due to a family emergency, @GovKemp and @GAFirstLady
will not be able to greet the Vice President in Savannah today
Coward.
Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at December 04, 2020 03:31 PM (Y8GVo)
Family emergency. How convenient.
Cody Hall
@CodyHallGA
Due to a family emergency, @GovKemp and @GAFirstLady
will not be able to greet the Vice President in Savannah today
Coward.
Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at December 04, 2020 03:31 PM (Y8GVo)
Family emergency. How convenient.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 04, 2020 03:34 PM (Ksrv6)
168
artisanal, no question.
Not blaming Loeffler, just funny how this is working out. First she gets diagnosed with CV19, now her staffers are passing away.
Not blaming Loeffler, just funny how this is working out. First she gets diagnosed with CV19, now her staffers are passing away.
Posted by: qdpsteve at December 04, 2020 03:34 PM (L2ZTs)
169
Sen. Kelly Loeffler lost a staff member in an accident today.
So she is not appearing at the live event (RSB).
Posted by: artisanal 'ette
My ass.
She's not going because she doesn't want to.
Do not vote for her. She doesn't care if she wins or loses.
Sen. Kelly Loeffler lost a staff member in an accident today.
So she is not appearing at the live event (RSB).
Posted by: artisanal 'ette
My ass.
She's not going because she doesn't want to.
Do not vote for her. She doesn't care if she wins or loses.
Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at December 04, 2020 03:34 PM (6vHcr)
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Fine. The point is that they believe repealing 230 will do more harm than good and cement the Big Tech oligarchs' rule over us all. The smaller outfits will not be able to cope.
The politicians won't repeal laws that favor their paymasters either.
Posted by: chique l'African Viking Math Queen King of Greenland (Your/Majesty/yes) at December 04, 2020 03:29 PM (9hauA)
Well, it would destroy YouTube, Twitter, and Facebooks' business model if they were, as a company, liable for everything said or posted. They would have to, I guess, pre-screen everything before it was allowed to be published.
I don't know exactly what they would do. But it would cost them billions.
And likely, some smaller companies would be fine, as they would be based off shore, with their servers in Sweden, and would be constantly changing URL's or whatnot.
The politicians won't repeal laws that favor their paymasters either.
Posted by: chique l'African Viking Math Queen King of Greenland (Your/Majesty/yes) at December 04, 2020 03:29 PM (9hauA)
Well, it would destroy YouTube, Twitter, and Facebooks' business model if they were, as a company, liable for everything said or posted. They would have to, I guess, pre-screen everything before it was allowed to be published.
I don't know exactly what they would do. But it would cost them billions.
And likely, some smaller companies would be fine, as they would be based off shore, with their servers in Sweden, and would be constantly changing URL's or whatnot.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 04, 2020 03:34 PM (UPoLF)
171
A law that is not consistently enforced is unfair.
They haven't enforced it in years
Repeal it now
They haven't enforced it in years
Repeal it now
Posted by: preznit select vmom at December 04, 2020 03:35 PM (nUhF0)
Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at December 04, 2020 03:35 PM (Y8GVo)
173
Cody Hall
@CodyHallGA
Due to a family emergency, @GovKemp and @GAFirstLady will not be able to greet the Vice President in Savannah today
Posted by: deplorable unperson
Of course.
Cody Hall
@CodyHallGA
Due to a family emergency, @GovKemp and @GAFirstLady will not be able to greet the Vice President in Savannah today
Posted by: deplorable unperson
Of course.
Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at December 04, 2020 03:35 PM (6vHcr)
174
That's our future--32 different flavors as long as you like vanilla
Posted by: RoyalOil at December 04, 2020 03:33 PM (aO8Gd)
The vanilla is actually pig shit with broken glass sprinkles, but they tell you it's vanilla.
Posted by: RoyalOil at December 04, 2020 03:33 PM (aO8Gd)
The vanilla is actually pig shit with broken glass sprinkles, but they tell you it's vanilla.
Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est, Post-Apocalyptic Scourge of the Seas at December 04, 2020 03:35 PM (MBidn)
175
Still haven't found that part of the Constitution that says, "...except businesses..."
How is it legal to deny freedom of speech, especially political speech, for anyone? And before anybody says the Constitution only covers what the gubmint can do, please refer to 18 US Code 241 and read it. It plainly refers to "people."
I have yet to receive a reply from M Levin, Insty or the DOJ as to why this law isn't being used to safeguard our Constitutional and God-given right to free speech.
How is it legal to deny freedom of speech, especially political speech, for anyone? And before anybody says the Constitution only covers what the gubmint can do, please refer to 18 US Code 241 and read it. It plainly refers to "people."
I have yet to receive a reply from M Levin, Insty or the DOJ as to why this law isn't being used to safeguard our Constitutional and God-given right to free speech.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy - #BidenCheated at December 04, 2020 03:35 PM (HaL55)
176
It is good to see the president at least making a gesture toward
standing up against the tech giants and their brutality toward freedom
of speech
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Airstrikes might be more effective.
standing up against the tech giants and their brutality toward freedom
of speech
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Airstrikes might be more effective.
Posted by: Methos at December 04, 2020 03:35 PM (kOpft)
177
Garstasi and Gruesome never learned what the every NCO and officer in the military knows: never give an order you know won't be obeyed.
Posted by: redc1c4, Trump Won! at December 04, 2020 03:35 PM (X/O1y)
178
146
Sites like AoS could already be shut down by various providers if the
"powers that be" went after them; sec 230 is not protecting them.
Posted by: Radio Control Ready For Action at December 04, 2020 03:26 PM (Eg9+v)
No, it would be more of a case of people suing the AoSHQ, LLC (or
whatever ace's company is called) for content posted by commenters. And
ace would be liable for it.
So if someone called a politician a "corrupt hack" (true or not),
ace could potentially be legally liable to that politician. Not that the
politician would likely prevail, but it would be a quick and easy way
to put ace out of business with legal fees.
So the obvious solution would be for ace to just disable comments.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 04, 2020 03:31 PM (UPoLF)
The point you are missing here is that AoS can already be shut down very easily anyway. Section 230 is not protecting them from the real threat, which was never scurrilous lawsuits, but their provider being bullied into canceling their service for politically incorrect content.
Certainly most comment sections could do well with being moderated, and the internet is in general a slimy hive of mis/disinformation because no one is liable for what anyone says at all.
Further, shutting down comment sections in many sites would lead to people who are disgruntled taking their energy elsewhere.
Hmm.
Sites like AoS could already be shut down by various providers if the
"powers that be" went after them; sec 230 is not protecting them.
Posted by: Radio Control Ready For Action at December 04, 2020 03:26 PM (Eg9+v)
No, it would be more of a case of people suing the AoSHQ, LLC (or
whatever ace's company is called) for content posted by commenters. And
ace would be liable for it.
So if someone called a politician a "corrupt hack" (true or not),
ace could potentially be legally liable to that politician. Not that the
politician would likely prevail, but it would be a quick and easy way
to put ace out of business with legal fees.
So the obvious solution would be for ace to just disable comments.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 04, 2020 03:31 PM (UPoLF)
The point you are missing here is that AoS can already be shut down very easily anyway. Section 230 is not protecting them from the real threat, which was never scurrilous lawsuits, but their provider being bullied into canceling their service for politically incorrect content.
Certainly most comment sections could do well with being moderated, and the internet is in general a slimy hive of mis/disinformation because no one is liable for what anyone says at all.
Further, shutting down comment sections in many sites would lead to people who are disgruntled taking their energy elsewhere.
Hmm.
Posted by: Radio Control Ready For Action at December 04, 2020 03:36 PM (Eg9+v)
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That must be why Zuck etc fight so hard to keep it, because they secretly want it to be repealed.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, Best-selling author-elect at December 04, 2020 03:33 PM (KZzsI)
Apparently, he's starting to warm up to the idea of repeal. Forget who I heard that from.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, Best-selling author-elect at December 04, 2020 03:33 PM (KZzsI)
Apparently, he's starting to warm up to the idea of repeal. Forget who I heard that from.
Posted by: chique l'African Viking Math Queen King of Greenland (Your/Majesty/yes) at December 04, 2020 03:36 PM (9hauA)
180
I admit I have to ask myself:
Imagine Sec 230 gets repealed, and we have to give up this comment section, and every other anywhere.
BUT... FB, Twitter, YouTube and other sites are destroyed.
Would it be worth it in your opinion?
I admit for me it's a toss-up.
Imagine Sec 230 gets repealed, and we have to give up this comment section, and every other anywhere.
BUT... FB, Twitter, YouTube and other sites are destroyed.
Would it be worth it in your opinion?
I admit for me it's a toss-up.
Posted by: qdpsteve at December 04, 2020 03:36 PM (L2ZTs)
181
Sen. Kelly Loeffler lost a staff member in an accident today.
So she is not appearing at the live event (RSB).
Posted by: artisanal 'ette
Yes. A young male staffer. Doug Collins just said a prayer for him at the rally.
So she is not appearing at the live event (RSB).
Posted by: artisanal 'ette
Yes. A young male staffer. Doug Collins just said a prayer for him at the rally.
Posted by: President-Elect Jane D'oh at December 04, 2020 03:36 PM (ptqGC)
Posted by: steevy at December 04, 2020 03:36 PM (HwiWi)
183
Due to a family emergency, @GovKemp and @GAFirstLady
will not be able to greet the Vice President in Savannah today
Coward.
Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at December 04, 2020 03:31 PM (Y8GVo)
Well, seeing half of his own base denounce him as a traitor by name has to be somewhat disheartening. I would actually understand why Kemp was going all in, if he believed that the Uniparty would win as it always does, but it won't actually save him. Trump is out for blood and Kemp won't be able to explain away that video.
will not be able to greet the Vice President in Savannah today
Coward.
Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at December 04, 2020 03:31 PM (Y8GVo)
Well, seeing half of his own base denounce him as a traitor by name has to be somewhat disheartening. I would actually understand why Kemp was going all in, if he believed that the Uniparty would win as it always does, but it won't actually save him. Trump is out for blood and Kemp won't be able to explain away that video.
Posted by: trev006 at December 04, 2020 03:36 PM (WSKfa)
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really, you spinless worms? Not ONE Senator opposes flooding the country with cheap tech labor...
Mike Lee's statement on the bill:
There's been a lot of talk about the amended of version of HR 1044 passed by the Senate on Wednesday, with many claiming it would give American jobs to foreign workers. Nothing could be further from the truth. If enacted, this bill will would:
-End country-of-origin discrimination by eliminating annual country-of-origin caps on green-card visas without increasing the total number of green cards issued each year.
-Forbid all employers with workforces consisting of more than 50% temporary visa workers from sponsoring any new temporary visa workers.
-Close the B-1 temporary business visitor visa loophole used by many employers to avoid H-1B visa caps.
-Levy new fees on all H1-B applications that would be dedicated to investigating fraud in the H-1B system.
-Prohibit the adjustment of status for any member of the Chinese Communist Party or People's Liberation Army.
he then links an article from the Daily Caller
https://tinyurl.com/yya9nfp5
Mike Lee's statement on the bill:
There's been a lot of talk about the amended of version of HR 1044 passed by the Senate on Wednesday, with many claiming it would give American jobs to foreign workers. Nothing could be further from the truth. If enacted, this bill will would:
-End country-of-origin discrimination by eliminating annual country-of-origin caps on green-card visas without increasing the total number of green cards issued each year.
-Forbid all employers with workforces consisting of more than 50% temporary visa workers from sponsoring any new temporary visa workers.
-Close the B-1 temporary business visitor visa loophole used by many employers to avoid H-1B visa caps.
-Levy new fees on all H1-B applications that would be dedicated to investigating fraud in the H-1B system.
-Prohibit the adjustment of status for any member of the Chinese Communist Party or People's Liberation Army.
he then links an article from the Daily Caller
https://tinyurl.com/yya9nfp5
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, Best-selling author-elect at December 04, 2020 03:36 PM (KZzsI)
185
Loeffler not appearing with Trump and the Kemps not appearing with Pence would normally signal something, but if one of Loeffler's aides actually died, I am going to give this one a pass.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 04, 2020 03:37 PM (r+sAi)
186
It's amazing how in a few years Democrats have managed to destroy Congress and the Presidency. The only institution still standing is the Supreme Court and in a couple of weeks we will know if it has toppled as well.
Posted by: President Elect Decaf at December 04, 2020 03:37 PM (hpVf/)
187
I will go along with this plan for a very steep price.
Posted by: chique l'African Viking Math Queen King of Greenland (Your/Majesty/yes) at December 04, 2020 03:26 PM (9hauA)
$5,000 to cover all modalities?
Posted by: chique l'African Viking Math Queen King of Greenland (Your/Majesty/yes) at December 04, 2020 03:26 PM (9hauA)
$5,000 to cover all modalities?
Posted by: Insomniac at December 04, 2020 03:37 PM (nakwk)
188
willowed:
453 310 At least Kemp is a goner, as is Ducey
Posted by: Jonah at December 04, 2020 02:52 PM (aENAX)
Tank will win the Gov and then GA will get the government/tyranny it well and truly deserves.
Posted by: Eli Cash at December 04, 2020 03:11 PM (SScvq)
************
After this election in Georgia I am thinking they are going to change their election laws. I got that impression from listening to some of the legislators.
They know it's f'd up.
I pray that Loeffler and Kemp win because I can't take 6 YEARS of the extremely radical Warnock and Ossoff taking away our rights.
Kemp will lose in the primary and Ducey can't run for re-election.
If they don't fix their voting system in AZ then they might elect a Democrat governor.
453 310 At least Kemp is a goner, as is Ducey
Posted by: Jonah at December 04, 2020 02:52 PM (aENAX)
Tank will win the Gov and then GA will get the government/tyranny it well and truly deserves.
Posted by: Eli Cash at December 04, 2020 03:11 PM (SScvq)
************
After this election in Georgia I am thinking they are going to change their election laws. I got that impression from listening to some of the legislators.
They know it's f'd up.
I pray that Loeffler and Kemp win because I can't take 6 YEARS of the extremely radical Warnock and Ossoff taking away our rights.
Kemp will lose in the primary and Ducey can't run for re-election.
If they don't fix their voting system in AZ then they might elect a Democrat governor.
Posted by: redridinghood at December 04, 2020 03:37 PM (NpAcC)
189
Why can't Trump just have the FBI investigate Hunter for Treason a couple of days before inauguration? Seemed to work well for Sparky.
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 04, 2020 03:37 PM (ilw10)
190
holy ish I saw that -- NO WALKING?!?!
WTF?
Posted by: ace at December 04, 2020 03:16 PM (nuqdl)
Constitutional because crawling remains permissible and thus the anti-walking order resembles nothing so much as a tax.
WTF?
Posted by: ace at December 04, 2020 03:16 PM (nuqdl)
Constitutional because crawling remains permissible and thus the anti-walking order resembles nothing so much as a tax.
Posted by: Chief Justice John Roberts, who most certainly is not corrupt or full of shit at December 04, 2020 03:37 PM (H5knJ)
Posted by: sound awake at December 04, 2020 03:38 PM (0OxUd)
192
Primarying? If Dominion, the WEF, and the CCP decide they need to keep their minions in their sinecures, then in their sinecures they will be kept.
Posted by: Mostly Peaceful Zap Rowsdower at December 04, 2020 03:38 PM (cUpB1)
193
7 If we're going to live in a cyberpunk corporate-run dystopia, I want the freely-accessible drugs, cybernetic upgrades, and near-to-life VR sex that were all supposed to go with it.
Posted by: Insomniac at December 04, 2020 03:11 PM (nakwk)
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On Star Trek Next Generation, when the holodeck would show up in the plot, I always idly wondered about virtual reality sex going on in there. And like -- what happens when the program shuts off? Does the load of liquid genetic material fall to the floor?
7 If we're going to live in a cyberpunk corporate-run dystopia, I want the freely-accessible drugs, cybernetic upgrades, and near-to-life VR sex that were all supposed to go with it.
Posted by: Insomniac at December 04, 2020 03:11 PM (nakwk)
----
On Star Trek Next Generation, when the holodeck would show up in the plot, I always idly wondered about virtual reality sex going on in there. And like -- what happens when the program shuts off? Does the load of liquid genetic material fall to the floor?
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at December 04, 2020 03:38 PM (XVZmW)
194
Why can't Trump just have the FBI investigate Hunter for Treason a
couple of days before inauguration? Seemed to work well for Sparky.
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The D next to Hunter's daddy's name.
couple of days before inauguration? Seemed to work well for Sparky.
***
The D next to Hunter's daddy's name.
Posted by: 18-1 at December 04, 2020 03:38 PM (qlFIA)
195
ace, your sentiment is perfect, but I take it you're kidding about replacing the GOP. Not the tiniest chance of that happening.
As we talk here so pleasantly, GA voters are about to probably elect 2 unimpressive drone GOP figures to the Senate - IF the systemic fraud and lawlessness of the election system doesn't reverse the true results.
Now let's savor *both* parts of that last sentence. Mmmmm. Nice, huh?
Anyway, recall what Hero Of Judicial Appointments McConnell did in MS to prevent an outsider - actually selected by the voters - from breaking into the senate club.
Which reminds me - for today's essay, class, compare/contrast the GOP leadership's behavior in the MS senate primary years back with their current approach to a crudely, obviously, clumsily stolen or at least fatally tainted *PRESIDENTIAL election* in which their party's candidate is the victim.
As we talk here so pleasantly, GA voters are about to probably elect 2 unimpressive drone GOP figures to the Senate - IF the systemic fraud and lawlessness of the election system doesn't reverse the true results.
Now let's savor *both* parts of that last sentence. Mmmmm. Nice, huh?
Anyway, recall what Hero Of Judicial Appointments McConnell did in MS to prevent an outsider - actually selected by the voters - from breaking into the senate club.
Which reminds me - for today's essay, class, compare/contrast the GOP leadership's behavior in the MS senate primary years back with their current approach to a crudely, obviously, clumsily stolen or at least fatally tainted *PRESIDENTIAL election* in which their party's candidate is the victim.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 04, 2020 03:38 PM (OTzUX)
196
Sen. Kelly Loeffler lost a staff member in an accident today.
So she is not appearing at the live event (RSB).
Posted by: artisanal 'ette
"Donate more money and votes to us, rubes, but I'm going to take it easy either way."
Doesn't really matter which fraud we install in Congress. If Trump doesn't cross the Rubicon, his entire family line is finished. The war would begin regardless.
So she is not appearing at the live event (RSB).
Posted by: artisanal 'ette
"Donate more money and votes to us, rubes, but I'm going to take it easy either way."
Doesn't really matter which fraud we install in Congress. If Trump doesn't cross the Rubicon, his entire family line is finished. The war would begin regardless.
Posted by: trev006 at December 04, 2020 03:38 PM (WSKfa)
197
Sen. Kelly Loeffler lost a staff member in an accident today.
So she is not appearing at the live event (RSB).
Posted by: artisanal 'ette
Yes. A young male staffer. Doug Collins just said a prayer for him at the rally.
Posted by: President-Elect Jane D'oh at December 04, 2020 03:36 PM (ptqGC)
Holy Shit. This is playing out like Joe Scarborough that time he didn't kill that young lady staff member.
Rust Cole is right. Time is a flat circle.
So she is not appearing at the live event (RSB).
Posted by: artisanal 'ette
Yes. A young male staffer. Doug Collins just said a prayer for him at the rally.
Posted by: President-Elect Jane D'oh at December 04, 2020 03:36 PM (ptqGC)
Holy Shit. This is playing out like Joe Scarborough that time he didn't kill that young lady staff member.
Rust Cole is right. Time is a flat circle.
Posted by: bat nationalist at December 04, 2020 03:38 PM (R1LMN)
198
Yes. A young male staffer. Doug Collins just said a prayer for him at the rally.
Posted by: President-Elect Jane D'oh
You're buying this bullshit, too?
Yes. A young male staffer. Doug Collins just said a prayer for him at the rally.
Posted by: President-Elect Jane D'oh
You're buying this bullshit, too?
Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at December 04, 2020 03:39 PM (6vHcr)
199
Still haven't found that part of the Constitution that says, "...except businesses..."
The US Constitution only applies to the US government, not private citizens or businesses. It is written clearly and explicitly to limit the power of the federal (and in some ways state) governments.
In no way or any possible sense does it in any place control, limit, or apply to businesses or individuals.
The US Constitution only applies to the US government, not private citizens or businesses. It is written clearly and explicitly to limit the power of the federal (and in some ways state) governments.
In no way or any possible sense does it in any place control, limit, or apply to businesses or individuals.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, Best-selling author-elect at December 04, 2020 03:39 PM (KZzsI)
200
And likely, some smaller companies would be fine, as
they would be based off shore, with their servers in Sweden, and would
be constantly changing URL's or whatnot.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 04, 2020 03:34 PM (UPoLF)
Most sites could just start moderating comments and remove any that became the subject of legal inquiry. A smaller site is in a better position because in general, the staff-to-comments ratio gets smaller as the business gets bigger.
All the blogs I've run I moderated comments *anyway* to prevent spam. Editing or putting notes in comments that contained potentially libelous statements might be annoying but it's a price worth paying for destroying facebook, twitter et al.
Any price almost is worth paying for that.
they would be based off shore, with their servers in Sweden, and would
be constantly changing URL's or whatnot.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 04, 2020 03:34 PM (UPoLF)
Most sites could just start moderating comments and remove any that became the subject of legal inquiry. A smaller site is in a better position because in general, the staff-to-comments ratio gets smaller as the business gets bigger.
All the blogs I've run I moderated comments *anyway* to prevent spam. Editing or putting notes in comments that contained potentially libelous statements might be annoying but it's a price worth paying for destroying facebook, twitter et al.
Any price almost is worth paying for that.
Posted by: Radio Control Ready For Action at December 04, 2020 03:39 PM (Eg9+v)
201
This morning Grover Norquist said that 230 should not be repealed, it should be enforced.
Posted by: DJ at December 04, 2020 03:39 PM (O3/K+)
202
On Star Trek Next Generation, when the holodeck would show up in the plot, I always idly wondered about virtual reality sex going on in there. And like -- what happens when the program shuts off? Does the load of liquid genetic material fall to the floor?
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at December 04, 2020 03:38 PM (XVZmW)
I imagine there's a transporter field or some such that removes all, uh, foreign substances from the area once the simulation is complete and the room is vacated.
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at December 04, 2020 03:38 PM (XVZmW)
I imagine there's a transporter field or some such that removes all, uh, foreign substances from the area once the simulation is complete and the room is vacated.
Posted by: Insomniac at December 04, 2020 03:39 PM (nakwk)
203
You have now been identified by Reason writers and the CATO institute as a tyrant. Fear them as they write strongly worded letters about how illiberal you are and how you probably wouldn't even support a welfare state where drugs and illicit sex are the norm .
Posted by: squid_hunt at December 04, 2020 03:39 PM (S5OQe)
204
$5,000 to cover all modalities?
Posted by: Insomniac at December 04, 2020 03:37 PM (nakwk)
You are terribly cheap. I'm very disappointed.
Add several more zeros to that.
Posted by: Insomniac at December 04, 2020 03:37 PM (nakwk)
You are terribly cheap. I'm very disappointed.
Add several more zeros to that.
Posted by: chique l'African Viking Math Queen King of Greenland (Your/Majesty/yes) at December 04, 2020 03:40 PM (9hauA)
205
The law applies to everyone or no one. If a law can't be fairly applied, then it's useless. The Big Tech guys have lawyers and $s to keep the courts busy. Start ups don't, and the Big Guys know it. Too big to fail, FTW!
Posted by: Unkaren at December 04, 2020 03:40 PM (vGJY7)
Posted by: ... at December 04, 2020 03:40 PM (auIRg)
207
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Once this is over, if Trump loses, he needs to announce that he won't
attend the inauguration, and instead will host a rally that same day in
DC, and will be starting a new political party.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at December 04, 2020 03:12 PM (jOcSX)"
Not sure how that's going to help us win the ensuing war unless he's gonna pull a Franco and form a coalition. I have zero interest in politicking about how to share the civic pie with tens of millions of invaders after they're legitimatized by the Dems. Bunch of you have said you're unwilling to partition the US anymore; well, it's already partitioned through the simple act of occupancy.
He'd do more good going into business to provide some sort of entirely alternate communication medium.
The only value to repealing section 230 is if you immediately use it to utterly destroy big tech. And you don't need the repeal to do that; they're either a platform now or they aren't, and they clearly aren't, and therefore don't get 230 protections in the first place.
For fuck's sake, ISIS was selling child sex slaves on FB for years.
Once this is over, if Trump loses, he needs to announce that he won't
attend the inauguration, and instead will host a rally that same day in
DC, and will be starting a new political party.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at December 04, 2020 03:12 PM (jOcSX)"
Not sure how that's going to help us win the ensuing war unless he's gonna pull a Franco and form a coalition. I have zero interest in politicking about how to share the civic pie with tens of millions of invaders after they're legitimatized by the Dems. Bunch of you have said you're unwilling to partition the US anymore; well, it's already partitioned through the simple act of occupancy.
He'd do more good going into business to provide some sort of entirely alternate communication medium.
The only value to repealing section 230 is if you immediately use it to utterly destroy big tech. And you don't need the repeal to do that; they're either a platform now or they aren't, and they clearly aren't, and therefore don't get 230 protections in the first place.
For fuck's sake, ISIS was selling child sex slaves on FB for years.
Posted by: there are only three star wars films at December 04, 2020 03:40 PM (EEVQU)
208
126 Also according to America Voice News, the ATL GA voting board supervisor refused to attend today's hearing, he was too busy.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 04, 2020 03:16 PM (ztzef)
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Since when does he have the discretion to not attend?
Posted by: President Elect Decaf at December 04, 2020 03:28 PM
WTF you going to do about it, pleb? Higher-ups in both parties have my back. You'll bitch and moan for a few weeks, and then all will be forgotten. You think ATLANTA voters are going to throw out the supervisor that stonewalled a recount to prevent Trump from winning? LOLGF.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 04, 2020 03:16 PM (ztzef)
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Since when does he have the discretion to not attend?
Posted by: President Elect Decaf at December 04, 2020 03:28 PM
WTF you going to do about it, pleb? Higher-ups in both parties have my back. You'll bitch and moan for a few weeks, and then all will be forgotten. You think ATLANTA voters are going to throw out the supervisor that stonewalled a recount to prevent Trump from winning? LOLGF.
Posted by: ATL GA voting board supervisor at December 04, 2020 03:40 PM (lOtJl)
209
@JustinGrayWSB 1h
here you can see the woman placing the table there (nothing hidden underneath) at 822am, then you can see staff loading ballots in (with observers & media watching) at 10pm and sealing, closing & placing under the table because they thought they were done for night.
here you can see the woman placing the table there (nothing hidden underneath) at 822am, then you can see staff loading ballots in (with observers & media watching) at 10pm and sealing, closing & placing under the table because they thought they were done for night.
Posted by: They thought wrong at December 04, 2020 03:40 PM (BBWrU)
210
Holy Shit. This is playing out like Joe Scarborough that time he didn't kill that young lady staff member.
Rust Cole is right. Time is a flat circle.
Posted by: bat nationalist at December 04, 2020 03:38 PM (R1LMN)
A dream you had inside a locked room.
Rust Cole is right. Time is a flat circle.
Posted by: bat nationalist at December 04, 2020 03:38 PM (R1LMN)
A dream you had inside a locked room.
Posted by: Insomniac at December 04, 2020 03:40 PM (nakwk)
211
176 It is good to see the president at least making a gesture toward
standing up against the tech giants and their brutality toward freedom
of speech
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Airstrikes might be more effective.
----------------
Men with bayonnets would send the right message.
standing up against the tech giants and their brutality toward freedom
of speech
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Airstrikes might be more effective.
----------------
Men with bayonnets would send the right message.
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 04, 2020 03:40 PM (ilw10)
212
Does the load of liquid genetic material fall to the floor?
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That's why I have me official military grade mop!
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That's why I have me official military grade mop!
Posted by: Ensign Wesley at December 04, 2020 03:40 PM (qlFIA)
213
Hasn't Loeffler voted pretty much every time with the President?
Posted by: It's me donna at December 04, 2020 03:40 PM (Zmnko)
214
I know there will be enormous pressure on them to decide against Trump
because the Left will try to burn down the country but doing so simply
means that 75 million voters have been disenfranchised. The 79 million
Biden voters is disputed but 75 million Trump voters is not.
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It is disputed, but it's a lower bound.
because the Left will try to burn down the country but doing so simply
means that 75 million voters have been disenfranchised. The 79 million
Biden voters is disputed but 75 million Trump voters is not.
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It is disputed, but it's a lower bound.
Posted by: Methos at December 04, 2020 03:41 PM (kOpft)
215
So the baker has to bake that ghey cake but twitter can take away peoples right to speech?
Not getting it.
Not getting it.
Posted by: Ward at December 04, 2020 03:41 PM (nzKWW)
216
I imagine there's a transporter field or some such that removes all, uh, foreign substances from the area once the simulation is complete and the room is vacated.
The entire tech is based on transporter technology, so I am guessing that it reverts to a sterile empty room when not in use or when shut off, transporting everything back into the uh, whatever the stuff is they make everything out of with transporters.
The entire tech is based on transporter technology, so I am guessing that it reverts to a sterile empty room when not in use or when shut off, transporting everything back into the uh, whatever the stuff is they make everything out of with transporters.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, Best-selling author-elect at December 04, 2020 03:41 PM (KZzsI)
217
184 really, you spinless worms? Not ONE Senator opposes flooding the country with cheap tech labor...
Mike Lee's statement on the bill:
There's been a lot of talk about the amended of version of HR 1044 passed by the Senate on Wednesday, with many claiming it would give American jobs to foreign workers. Nothing could be further from the truth. If enacted, this bill will would:
-End country-of-origin discrimination by eliminating annual country-of-origin caps on green-card visas without increasing the total number of green cards issued each year.
-Forbid all employers with workforces consisting of more than 50% temporary visa workers from sponsoring any new temporary visa workers.
-Close the B-1 temporary business visitor visa loophole used by many employers to avoid H-1B visa caps.
-Levy new fees on all H1-B applications that would be dedicated to investigating fraud in the H-1B system.
-Prohibit the adjustment of status for any member of the Chinese Communist Party or People's Liberation Army.
he then links an article from the Daily Caller
https://tinyurl.com/yya9nfp5
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, Best-selling author-elect at December 04, 2020 03:36 PM (KZzsI)
Mike Lee is a liar with the rest of the riggers.
Mike Lee's statement on the bill:
There's been a lot of talk about the amended of version of HR 1044 passed by the Senate on Wednesday, with many claiming it would give American jobs to foreign workers. Nothing could be further from the truth. If enacted, this bill will would:
-End country-of-origin discrimination by eliminating annual country-of-origin caps on green-card visas without increasing the total number of green cards issued each year.
-Forbid all employers with workforces consisting of more than 50% temporary visa workers from sponsoring any new temporary visa workers.
-Close the B-1 temporary business visitor visa loophole used by many employers to avoid H-1B visa caps.
-Levy new fees on all H1-B applications that would be dedicated to investigating fraud in the H-1B system.
-Prohibit the adjustment of status for any member of the Chinese Communist Party or People's Liberation Army.
he then links an article from the Daily Caller
https://tinyurl.com/yya9nfp5
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, Best-selling author-elect at December 04, 2020 03:36 PM (KZzsI)
Mike Lee is a liar with the rest of the riggers.
Posted by: bat nationalist at December 04, 2020 03:41 PM (R1LMN)
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and we laughed when Trump talked of Greenland.
He's better cut that deal in the next month and half - otherwise 74M of us have no where to go.
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The purchase should go ahead but hell no, not moving there. That's where Silicon Valley should be exiled to.
He's better cut that deal in the next month and half - otherwise 74M of us have no where to go.
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The purchase should go ahead but hell no, not moving there. That's where Silicon Valley should be exiled to.
Posted by: President Elect Decaf at December 04, 2020 03:41 PM (hpVf/)
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Who do the leadership of these mega tech corporations and other Fortune 500 companies think is going to buy their products if they gut the middle class of the USA?!?
These "titans of Industry" are killing the goose that lays golden eggs. Short sighted does not even begin to describe these evil bastards and bastardettes.
These "titans of Industry" are killing the goose that lays golden eggs. Short sighted does not even begin to describe these evil bastards and bastardettes.
Posted by: Bonecrusher at December 04, 2020 03:41 PM (JNTt1)
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The point you are missing here is that AoS can already be shut down very easily anyway. Section 230 is not protecting them from the real threat, which was never scurrilous lawsuits, but their provider being bullied into canceling their service for politically incorrect content.
Certainly most comment sections could do well with being moderated, and the internet is in general a slimy hive of mis/disinformation because no one is liable for what anyone says at all.
Further, shutting down comment sections in many sites would lead to people who are disgruntled taking their energy elsewhere.
Hmm.
Posted by: Radio Control Ready For Action at December 04, 2020 03:36 PM (Eg9+v)
Ace's site is hosted in god-knows-where, with a company run by a guy who claims that hamsters running on wheels is what keeps his servers up, with a domain name located in Niue, and everything about the site and ownership and everything else is completely secret, and all off shore.
I don't think ace is too worried about being taken down by his service providers.
But, again, someone could sue him, and in discovery, would be able to doxx him, and destroy everything he's built here based on one comment. Even if the comment is by a moby.
Which was what 230 was designed to protect against.
Certainly most comment sections could do well with being moderated, and the internet is in general a slimy hive of mis/disinformation because no one is liable for what anyone says at all.
Further, shutting down comment sections in many sites would lead to people who are disgruntled taking their energy elsewhere.
Hmm.
Posted by: Radio Control Ready For Action at December 04, 2020 03:36 PM (Eg9+v)
Ace's site is hosted in god-knows-where, with a company run by a guy who claims that hamsters running on wheels is what keeps his servers up, with a domain name located in Niue, and everything about the site and ownership and everything else is completely secret, and all off shore.
I don't think ace is too worried about being taken down by his service providers.
But, again, someone could sue him, and in discovery, would be able to doxx him, and destroy everything he's built here based on one comment. Even if the comment is by a moby.
Which was what 230 was designed to protect against.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 04, 2020 03:41 PM (UPoLF)
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Moderating comments to avoid getting sued will achieve the goal of censorship, won't it?
Posted by: chique l'African Viking Math Queen King of Greenland (Your/Majesty/yes) at December 04, 2020 03:42 PM (9hauA)
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These "titans of Industry" are killing the goose that lays golden eggs.
Short sighted does not even begin to describe these evil bastards and
bastardettes.
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They don't want America where they are VERY VERY Rich and most people are comfortable.
They want Brazil where they will only be VERY Rich and we will be dirt poor.
Short sighted does not even begin to describe these evil bastards and
bastardettes.
***
They don't want America where they are VERY VERY Rich and most people are comfortable.
They want Brazil where they will only be VERY Rich and we will be dirt poor.
Posted by: 18-1 at December 04, 2020 03:42 PM (qlFIA)
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205 $5,000 to cover all modalities?
Posted by: Insomniac at December 04, 2020 03:37 PM (nakwk)
You are terribly cheap. I'm very disappointed.
Add several more zeros to that.
Posted by: chique l'African Viking Math Queen King of Greenland (Your/Majesty/yes) at December 04, 2020 03:40 PM (9hauA)
$5,000.00
Posted by: Insomniac at December 04, 2020 03:37 PM (nakwk)
You are terribly cheap. I'm very disappointed.
Add several more zeros to that.
Posted by: chique l'African Viking Math Queen King of Greenland (Your/Majesty/yes) at December 04, 2020 03:40 PM (9hauA)
$5,000.00
Posted by: Insomniac at December 04, 2020 03:42 PM (nakwk)
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Makes sense to me.
Posted by: chique l'African Viking Math Queen King of Greenland (Your/Majesty/yes) at December 04, 2020 03:24 PM
I don't necessarily agree with everything Styx said, but do agree to enforce 230 for now. Here's why. As a platform, they get protections, such as not being able to be sued.
But now, twatter has removed or censored most conservatives. When they're suddenly a publisher, they're able to be sued for all of the calls for violence and doxxing that antifa and BLM has been doing for the past year.
They can and will literally have their asses sued by everybody out there who can prove harm, and there's many of them.
This alone will damage twatter and FB beyond recognition, and take zero work from the government.
Posted by: chique l'African Viking Math Queen King of Greenland (Your/Majesty/yes) at December 04, 2020 03:24 PM
I don't necessarily agree with everything Styx said, but do agree to enforce 230 for now. Here's why. As a platform, they get protections, such as not being able to be sued.
But now, twatter has removed or censored most conservatives. When they're suddenly a publisher, they're able to be sued for all of the calls for violence and doxxing that antifa and BLM has been doing for the past year.
They can and will literally have their asses sued by everybody out there who can prove harm, and there's many of them.
This alone will damage twatter and FB beyond recognition, and take zero work from the government.
Posted by: clutch cargo Now 100% Lubricant Free at December 04, 2020 03:42 PM (L8ADy)
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Technology made the jizz mop obsolete. But Wesley did it anyway.
Posted by: steevy at December 04, 2020 03:42 PM (HwiWi)
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50 Sorry but I don't understand the connection of Section 230 in a Defense Spending Bill.
Willing to be edumacated.
Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks, Look at me at December 04, 2020 03:19 PM (m/vQu)
Its the only leverage Trump has anymore.
The defense bill is a must sign, and probably the last one he will sign as President, so his last chance to get 230 changed.
And as Big Tech probably swung 25 million or so votes? AND is keeping the Pandemic shit going?
It needs to go.
Willing to be edumacated.
Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks, Look at me at December 04, 2020 03:19 PM (m/vQu)
Its the only leverage Trump has anymore.
The defense bill is a must sign, and probably the last one he will sign as President, so his last chance to get 230 changed.
And as Big Tech probably swung 25 million or so votes? AND is keeping the Pandemic shit going?
It needs to go.
Posted by: Romeo13 at December 04, 2020 03:43 PM (d9rwJ)
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So the baker has to bake that ghey cake but twitter can take away peoples right to speech?
The problem is forcing the baker to bake the cake. That's where the tyranny and abuse of power comes in, but that camel's nose was shoved under the tent way back when the federal government was allowed to tell companies who they could and could not hire and serve.
The problem is forcing the baker to bake the cake. That's where the tyranny and abuse of power comes in, but that camel's nose was shoved under the tent way back when the federal government was allowed to tell companies who they could and could not hire and serve.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, Best-selling author-elect at December 04, 2020 03:43 PM (KZzsI)
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225 Technology made the jizz mop obsolete. But Wesley did it anyway.
Posted by: steevy at December 04, 2020 03:42 PM (HwiWi)
Follow your bliss.
Posted by: steevy at December 04, 2020 03:42 PM (HwiWi)
Follow your bliss.
Posted by: Insomniac at December 04, 2020 03:43 PM (nakwk)
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Rick Santilli laid down some truth on CNBC this morning. And it's what many have been saying. Going to Costco with 1000 people is fine. But going to a restaurant with 30 people is certain death.
That's what the ****SCIENCE**** says.
That's what the ****SCIENCE**** says.
Posted by: Asshoes at December 04, 2020 03:43 PM (22mNy)
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Prediction: Trump won't actually veto the bill. Just a gut feeling. Sounds like he wants to draw attention to 23 and this is a way to get headlines.
Posted by: Max Power at December 04, 2020 03:43 PM (q177U)
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189 Why can't Trump just have the FBI investigate Hunter for Treason a couple of days before inauguration? Seemed to work well for Sparky.
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 04, 2020 03:37 PM (ilw10)
Because the FBI still works for Sparky?
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 04, 2020 03:37 PM (ilw10)
Because the FBI still works for Sparky?
Posted by: DOJ is fat and incapable at December 04, 2020 03:43 PM (ONvIw)
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I personally wonder if the solution isn't to take out 230, but to simply create tons more sites that openly discriminate against lefties and liberals.
If FB and the other big boys want to play this game, let's give it to them nice and hard.
If FB and the other big boys want to play this game, let's give it to them nice and hard.
Posted by: qdpsteve at December 04, 2020 03:44 PM (L2ZTs)
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Still haven't found that part of the Constitution that says, "...except businesses..."
The US Constitution only applies to the US government, not private
citizens or businesses. It is written clearly and explicitly to limit
the power of the federal (and in some ways state) governments.
In no way or any possible sense does it in any place control, limit, or apply to businesses or individuals.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, Best-selling author-elect at December 04, 2020 03:39 PM (KZzsI)"
True, but at issue here is giving big tech immunity from typical criminal and civil actions over speech that is NOT covered by 1A, on the condition that they follow certain rules. Same reason we don't prosecute the phone company when a criminal places a call to organize a crime.
Congress can do that, but the rules have not been followed.
Still haven't found that part of the Constitution that says, "...except businesses..."
The US Constitution only applies to the US government, not private
citizens or businesses. It is written clearly and explicitly to limit
the power of the federal (and in some ways state) governments.
In no way or any possible sense does it in any place control, limit, or apply to businesses or individuals.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, Best-selling author-elect at December 04, 2020 03:39 PM (KZzsI)"
True, but at issue here is giving big tech immunity from typical criminal and civil actions over speech that is NOT covered by 1A, on the condition that they follow certain rules. Same reason we don't prosecute the phone company when a criminal places a call to organize a crime.
Congress can do that, but the rules have not been followed.
Posted by: there are only three star wars films at December 04, 2020 03:44 PM (EEVQU)
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Moderating comments to avoid getting sued will achieve the goal of censorship, won't it?
Since they are already moderating comments, this would allow commenters to retaliate in a manner they are unable to now. The only thing that would change is lawyers would get rich
Since they are already moderating comments, this would allow commenters to retaliate in a manner they are unable to now. The only thing that would change is lawyers would get rich
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, Best-selling author-elect at December 04, 2020 03:44 PM (KZzsI)
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Senator Kelly Loeffler
@SenatorLoeffler
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31m
Proud to join @VP at @cdcgov to discuss the tremendous progress that has been made under @realDonaldTrump's leadership to deliver a COVID-19 vaccine.
I'm grateful for this administration's relentless work against the invisible enemy. Together, we will win this fight.
30 minutes ago she Tweeted about going to the CDC to meet with Pence.
@SenatorLoeffler
·
31m
Proud to join @VP at @cdcgov to discuss the tremendous progress that has been made under @realDonaldTrump's leadership to deliver a COVID-19 vaccine.
I'm grateful for this administration's relentless work against the invisible enemy. Together, we will win this fight.
30 minutes ago she Tweeted about going to the CDC to meet with Pence.
Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at December 04, 2020 03:44 PM (Y8GVo)
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No word from SCOTUS?
Posted by: Zeera I should be writing right now at December 04, 2020 03:44 PM (zUdXR)
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I get the leverage game with vetoing and he should veto to throw up a fuck you to the establishment regardless, but 230 isn't the problem. Not enforcing laws and rules are the problem and have always been so.
Posted by: bat nationalist at December 04, 2020 03:44 PM (R1LMN)
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>>>They must be made to understand that their Corporate Cronies give them money, but only we give them votes.
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yeah....no
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yeah....no
Posted by: Dominion Voting Systems, SysAdmin at December 04, 2020 03:44 PM (szqvX)
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Would we really have these websites telling us that the AP has picked Joe Biden as winner of the election if there WASN'T a coordinated plan of vote fraud?
And would they be doing the same thing for Trump?
Fuck no, they wouldn't.
And would they be doing the same thing for Trump?
Fuck no, they wouldn't.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 04, 2020 03:44 PM (oVJmc)
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Ace's site is hosted in god-knows-where, with a
company run by a guy who claims that hamsters running on wheels is what
keeps his servers up, with a domain name located in Niue, and everything
about the site and ownership and everything else is completely secret,
and all off shore.
I don't think ace is too worried about being taken down by his service providers.
But, again, someone could sue him, and in discovery, would be able
to doxx him, and destroy everything he's built here based on one
comment. Even if the comment is by a moby.
Which was what 230 was designed to protect against.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 04, 2020 03:41 PM (UPoLF)
If you're convinced section 230 is protecting your precious conservative blogosphere (what remains of it) from destruction, I leave you to your unfounded belief.
company run by a guy who claims that hamsters running on wheels is what
keeps his servers up, with a domain name located in Niue, and everything
about the site and ownership and everything else is completely secret,
and all off shore.
I don't think ace is too worried about being taken down by his service providers.
But, again, someone could sue him, and in discovery, would be able
to doxx him, and destroy everything he's built here based on one
comment. Even if the comment is by a moby.
Which was what 230 was designed to protect against.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 04, 2020 03:41 PM (UPoLF)
If you're convinced section 230 is protecting your precious conservative blogosphere (what remains of it) from destruction, I leave you to your unfounded belief.
Posted by: Radio Control Ready For Action at December 04, 2020 03:44 PM (Eg9+v)
241
The actions by these assholes in PA, GA, MI and AZ are the tell. They had the balls to take the payoff and do the deed, but now they scurry and hide like all commies do. They don't attend hearings, they don't give press conferences, they perform insane failure theater. Hell WTF are Loeffler and Purdue? I have not seen them once since 11/3. I don't want to be an eeyore, but they got to every single person who would eventually play a role in this. That much is clear to me.
If the left wants to talk about lists, she best know we are making them as well. And they better take care of the people who hold their secrets, because those people, whether they realize it or not, are on the front lines of this war.
If the left wants to talk about lists, she best know we are making them as well. And they better take care of the people who hold their secrets, because those people, whether they realize it or not, are on the front lines of this war.
Posted by: Eli Cash at December 04, 2020 03:45 PM (SScvq)
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On Star Trek Next Generation, when the holodeck would show up in the
plot, I always idly wondered about virtual reality sex going on in
there. And like -- what happens when the program shuts off? Does the
load of liquid genetic material fall to the floor?
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You know how transporter and replicator technology work, right?
plot, I always idly wondered about virtual reality sex going on in
there. And like -- what happens when the program shuts off? Does the
load of liquid genetic material fall to the floor?
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You know how transporter and replicator technology work, right?
Posted by: Methos at December 04, 2020 03:45 PM (kOpft)
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221 Moderating comments to avoid getting sued will achieve the goal of censorship, won't it?
Posted by: chique l'African Viking Math Queen King of Greenland (Your/Majesty/yes) at December 04, 2020 03:42 PM (9hauA)
Then it works for both sides. Liars on the left can be sued but truth tellers on the right can sue
Posted by: chique l'African Viking Math Queen King of Greenland (Your/Majesty/yes) at December 04, 2020 03:42 PM (9hauA)
Then it works for both sides. Liars on the left can be sued but truth tellers on the right can sue
Posted by: DOJ is fat and incapable at December 04, 2020 03:45 PM (ONvIw)
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"Primary these MFers"
That's so cute.
We just watched A PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION get stolen in real time, right in front of everyone's eyes, in multiple states simultaneously.
Now that our glorious leaders know we're willing to accept this level of fraud, now that they know what they can get away with, we won't be seeing them act this subtly again. It only goes up from here.
Posted by: harbqll at December 04, 2020 03:24 PM (LXDqI)
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Mike Lee's "No Jobs for American Children Act" was just that, an in your face taunt "So what are you going to do about this?"
That's so cute.
We just watched A PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION get stolen in real time, right in front of everyone's eyes, in multiple states simultaneously.
Now that our glorious leaders know we're willing to accept this level of fraud, now that they know what they can get away with, we won't be seeing them act this subtly again. It only goes up from here.
Posted by: harbqll at December 04, 2020 03:24 PM (LXDqI)
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Mike Lee's "No Jobs for American Children Act" was just that, an in your face taunt "So what are you going to do about this?"
Posted by: President Elect Decaf at December 04, 2020 03:45 PM (hpVf/)
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Anyway, recall what Hero Of Judicial Appointments McConnell did in MS to prevent an outsider - actually selected by the voters - from breaking into the senate club.
The Turtle really fucked that up since Thadd Cochran had to retire with dementia, which was pretty fucking obvious during the campaign, but Cocaine Mitch couldn't abide having a conservative in that spot.
The Turtle really fucked that up since Thadd Cochran had to retire with dementia, which was pretty fucking obvious during the campaign, but Cocaine Mitch couldn't abide having a conservative in that spot.
Posted by: Captain Hate at December 04, 2020 03:45 PM (y7DUB)
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How about send in some cruise missiles into twitter, google and facebook HQ and keep Section 230?
Posted by: Eli Cash at December 04, 2020 03:45 PM (SScvq)
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Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, Best-selling author-elect at December 04, 2020 03:36 PM (KZzsI)
Thanks for the additional info; I'll read up on it when I get back.
Thanks for the additional info; I'll read up on it when I get back.
Posted by: GnuBreed at December 04, 2020 03:45 PM (veMj1)
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-Levy new fees on all H1-B applications that would be dedicated to investigating fraud in the H-1B system.
That's darkly hilarious.
That's darkly hilarious.
Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at December 04, 2020 03:45 PM (Y8GVo)
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235 Senator Kelly Loeffler
@SenatorLoeffler
31m
Proud to join @VP at @cdcgov to discuss the tremendous progress that has been made under @realDonaldTrump's leadership to deliver a COVID-19 vaccine.
I'm grateful for this administration's relentless work against the invisible enemy. Together, we will win this fight.
30 minutes ago she Tweeted about going to the CDC to meet with Pence.
Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at December 04, 2020 03:44 PM (Y8GVo)
Patrick Bateman in a skirt is a volatile creature for sure.
@SenatorLoeffler
31m
Proud to join @VP at @cdcgov to discuss the tremendous progress that has been made under @realDonaldTrump's leadership to deliver a COVID-19 vaccine.
I'm grateful for this administration's relentless work against the invisible enemy. Together, we will win this fight.
30 minutes ago she Tweeted about going to the CDC to meet with Pence.
Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at December 04, 2020 03:44 PM (Y8GVo)
Patrick Bateman in a skirt is a volatile creature for sure.
Posted by: bat nationalist at December 04, 2020 03:45 PM (R1LMN)
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236 No word from SCOTUS?
Posted by: Zeera I should be writing right now at December 04, 2020 03:44 PM (zUdXR)
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#TwoWeeks
Posted by: Zeera I should be writing right now at December 04, 2020 03:44 PM (zUdXR)
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#TwoWeeks
Posted by: Asshoes at December 04, 2020 03:46 PM (22mNy)
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Most sites could just start moderating comments and remove any that became the subject of legal inquiry. A smaller site is in a better position because in general, the staff-to-comments ratio gets smaller as the business gets bigger.
All the blogs I've run I moderated comments *anyway* to prevent spam. Editing or putting notes in comments that contained potentially libelous statements might be annoying but it's a price worth paying for destroying facebook, twitter et al.
Any price almost is worth paying for that.
Posted by: Radio Control Ready For Action at December 04, 2020 03:39 PM (Eg9+v)
The "notify and remove" stuff comes from the Digital Millennium Copyright Act. I guess you could pass a new law incorporating some of that language in to a thing around libel.
But as of right now, it's actionable as soon as it's posted. Damages are mitigated by removing it as quickly as possible, but there is still a legal action as soon as the words are said (or printed in this case).
New York Times can't post "CITIZEN XYZ IS A PEDOPHILE WHO RAPES CHILDREN" then retract it the next day and think they're going to avoid legal liability.
All the blogs I've run I moderated comments *anyway* to prevent spam. Editing or putting notes in comments that contained potentially libelous statements might be annoying but it's a price worth paying for destroying facebook, twitter et al.
Any price almost is worth paying for that.
Posted by: Radio Control Ready For Action at December 04, 2020 03:39 PM (Eg9+v)
The "notify and remove" stuff comes from the Digital Millennium Copyright Act. I guess you could pass a new law incorporating some of that language in to a thing around libel.
But as of right now, it's actionable as soon as it's posted. Damages are mitigated by removing it as quickly as possible, but there is still a legal action as soon as the words are said (or printed in this case).
New York Times can't post "CITIZEN XYZ IS A PEDOPHILE WHO RAPES CHILDREN" then retract it the next day and think they're going to avoid legal liability.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 04, 2020 03:46 PM (UPoLF)
252
The US Constitution only applies to the US government, not private
citizens or businesses. It is written clearly and explicitly to limit
the power of the federal (and in some ways state) governments.
In no way or any possible sense does it in any place control, limit, or apply to businesses or individuals.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, Best-selling author-elect at December 04, 2020 03:39 PM (KZzsI)"
=====================
It amazes me that people do not know this
citizens or businesses. It is written clearly and explicitly to limit
the power of the federal (and in some ways state) governments.
In no way or any possible sense does it in any place control, limit, or apply to businesses or individuals.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, Best-selling author-elect at December 04, 2020 03:39 PM (KZzsI)"
=====================
It amazes me that people do not know this
Posted by: Dominion Voting Systems, SysAdmin at December 04, 2020 03:46 PM (szqvX)
253
On Star Trek Next Generation, when the holodeck would show up in the plot, I always idly wondered about virtual reality sex going on in there. And like -- what happens when the program shuts off? Does the load of liquid genetic material fall to the floor?
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at December 04, 2020 03:38 PM (XVZmW)
The replicators run on "omniprotein."
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at December 04, 2020 03:38 PM (XVZmW)
The replicators run on "omniprotein."
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at December 04, 2020 03:47 PM (jOcSX)
254
Patrick Bateman in a skirt is a volatile creature for sure.
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Would you have a newsletter I might subscribe to? Patrick is a fine looking fellow, err, lass. I bet she has some really big blessings of liberty under that skirt...
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Would you have a newsletter I might subscribe to? Patrick is a fine looking fellow, err, lass. I bet she has some really big blessings of liberty under that skirt...
Posted by: David French at December 04, 2020 03:47 PM (qlFIA)
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Good. Veto it. Play hardball. There is literally no downside right now, unless the election goes to the House and they decide to retaliate over it - in which case it is so far gone that it doesn't matter anyway.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 04, 2020 03:47 PM (hYcqw)
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Years ago I interviewed a crazy once. He made threats against individuals you aren't supposed to threaten.
He was very politically tuned in, and the genesis of his anger and frustration was toward the political system. He kept going on and on about how the left and right are both wings of the same eagle- in other words, no difference.
"The left and the right! It's the same, don't you see??!"
at the time, i chalked it up as more spewing of an incoherent wackadoodle.
Now? After what I have seen from the absolutely nutless GOP? That loon was onto something.
None of these loathsome creatures in congress give a shit about us. None one. Buckley was right- open up the phone book in Boston and pick out 400 motherfuckers at random and make them all congress. I would annotate Boston now for.....somewhere in the Dakotas.
He was very politically tuned in, and the genesis of his anger and frustration was toward the political system. He kept going on and on about how the left and right are both wings of the same eagle- in other words, no difference.
"The left and the right! It's the same, don't you see??!"
at the time, i chalked it up as more spewing of an incoherent wackadoodle.
Now? After what I have seen from the absolutely nutless GOP? That loon was onto something.
None of these loathsome creatures in congress give a shit about us. None one. Buckley was right- open up the phone book in Boston and pick out 400 motherfuckers at random and make them all congress. I would annotate Boston now for.....somewhere in the Dakotas.
Posted by: Jack Burton, who says, I was born ready at December 04, 2020 03:47 PM (yx0HS)
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Since they are already moderating comments, this would allow commenters to retaliate in a manner they are unable to now. The only thing that would change is lawyers would get rich
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, Best-selling author-elect at December 04, 2020 03:44 PM (KZzsI)
So we're agreeing to be censored everywhere, including places that aren't censoring now, and to make lawyers rich? And alt-tech would only survive outside the US?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, Best-selling author-elect at December 04, 2020 03:44 PM (KZzsI)
So we're agreeing to be censored everywhere, including places that aren't censoring now, and to make lawyers rich? And alt-tech would only survive outside the US?
Posted by: chique l'African Viking Math Queen King of Greenland (Your/Majesty/yes) at December 04, 2020 03:47 PM (9hauA)
258
How about send in some cruise missiles into twitter, google and facebook HQ and keep Section 230?
Posted by: Eli Cash at December 04, 2020 03:45 PM (SScvq)
We have fired them into other countries for much less. I, for one, welcome drone strikes on traitors and war criminals within our country's borders. Let Flynn and Powell make the calls.
Posted by: Eli Cash at December 04, 2020 03:45 PM (SScvq)
We have fired them into other countries for much less. I, for one, welcome drone strikes on traitors and war criminals within our country's borders. Let Flynn and Powell make the calls.
Posted by: bat nationalist at December 04, 2020 03:48 PM (R1LMN)
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Sen. Kelly Loeffler lost a staff member in an accident today.
So she is not appearing at the live event (RSB).
Posted by: artisanal 'ette
My ass.
She's not going because she doesn't want to.
Do not vote for her. She doesn't care if she wins or loses.
Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at December 04, 2020 03:34 PM (6vHcr)
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it must be true: G00gle, the only search engine FireFuck will let me use these days, doesn't show anything on the subject...
we're back to the days of Pravda and Tass.
So she is not appearing at the live event (RSB).
Posted by: artisanal 'ette
My ass.
She's not going because she doesn't want to.
Do not vote for her. She doesn't care if she wins or loses.
Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at December 04, 2020 03:34 PM (6vHcr)
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it must be true: G00gle, the only search engine FireFuck will let me use these days, doesn't show anything on the subject...
we're back to the days of Pravda and Tass.
Posted by: redc1c4, Trump Won! at December 04, 2020 03:48 PM (X/O1y)
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250 236 No word from SCOTUS?
Posted by: Zeera I should be writing right now at December 04, 2020 03:44 PM (zUdXR)
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#TwoWeeks
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They really are going to do this... let the steal happen. They think they can put the toothpaste back in the tube after they get rid of Trump. They are fucking evil.
Posted by: Zeera I should be writing right now at December 04, 2020 03:44 PM (zUdXR)
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#TwoWeeks
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They really are going to do this... let the steal happen. They think they can put the toothpaste back in the tube after they get rid of Trump. They are fucking evil.
Posted by: Ward at December 04, 2020 03:48 PM (nzKWW)
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Mike Lee is a liar with the rest of the riggers.
Posted by: bat nationalist at December 04, 2020 03:41 PM
Philip J Fry squinting meme, not sure if racist...
We'll call you racist, just to be sure.
Mike Lee is a liar with the rest of the riggers.
Posted by: bat nationalist at December 04, 2020 03:41 PM
Philip J Fry squinting meme, not sure if racist...
We'll call you racist, just to be sure.
Posted by: The Root at December 04, 2020 03:49 PM (lOtJl)
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In fact, I think veto should happen more often. I used to joke that if I ever got to be President, I'd have a big box of cheap pens with green ink on my desk, and each of them would have "VETO" emblazoned on them.
Next to the desk would be a stand with a glass box and a hammer. Inside the box would be a *very* nice Monteblanc fountain pen with "PASS" engraved on it. The box would be labeled, "in case of good idea, break glass."
Just to set the tone.
Next to the desk would be a stand with a glass box and a hammer. Inside the box would be a *very* nice Monteblanc fountain pen with "PASS" engraved on it. The box would be labeled, "in case of good idea, break glass."
Just to set the tone.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 04, 2020 03:49 PM (hYcqw)
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>Prediction: Trump won't actually veto the bill. Just a gut feeling. Sounds like he wants to draw attention to 23 and this is a way to get headlines.
Posted by: Max Power at December 04, 2020 03:43 PM (q177U)
Yep. Stray voltage.
Posted by: Max Power at December 04, 2020 03:43 PM (q177U)
Yep. Stray voltage.
Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at December 04, 2020 03:49 PM (L106N)
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The left and right are not the same. But large parts of the Democrat and Republican parties are....
Posted by: steevy at December 04, 2020 03:49 PM (HwiWi)
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246 How about send in some cruise missiles into twitter, google and facebook HQ and keep Section 230?
Posted by: Eli Cash at December 04, 2020 03:45 PM (SScvq)
Dagum now we're talking.
Posted by: Eli Cash at December 04, 2020 03:45 PM (SScvq)
Dagum now we're talking.
Posted by: CZ = FNG To Remain Silent Because, FNG at December 04, 2020 03:49 PM (MkuC5)
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257 Since they are already moderating comments, this would allow commenters to retaliate in a manner they are unable to now. The only thing that would change is lawyers would get rich
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, Best-selling author-elect at December 04, 2020 03:44 PM (KZzsI)
So we're agreeing to be censored everywhere, including places that aren't censoring now, and to make lawyers rich? And alt-tech would only survive outside the US?
Posted by: chique l'African Viking Math Queen King of Greenland (Your/Majesty/yes) at December 04, 2020 03:47 PM (9hauA)
You're misunderstanding what Section 230 does. It protects entities from being sued when a commenters promotes something illegal. We already would boot people for that. Facebook is less inclined to boot ISIS selling sex slaves than we are, but still enjoys immunity from liability.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, Best-selling author-elect at December 04, 2020 03:44 PM (KZzsI)
So we're agreeing to be censored everywhere, including places that aren't censoring now, and to make lawyers rich? And alt-tech would only survive outside the US?
Posted by: chique l'African Viking Math Queen King of Greenland (Your/Majesty/yes) at December 04, 2020 03:47 PM (9hauA)
You're misunderstanding what Section 230 does. It protects entities from being sued when a commenters promotes something illegal. We already would boot people for that. Facebook is less inclined to boot ISIS selling sex slaves than we are, but still enjoys immunity from liability.
Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at December 04, 2020 03:49 PM (Zm+LZ)
Posted by: Hillary at December 04, 2020 03:49 PM (0FTCx)
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If you're convinced section 230 is protecting your precious conservative blogosphere (what remains of it) from destruction, I leave you to your unfounded belief.
Posted by: Radio Control Ready For Action at December 04, 2020 03:44 PM (Eg9+v)
Sure. Well, it's the basis for the modern internet as we know it.
If site owners were personally liable for content posted by other people, then no one would allow users to post comment.
Chat rooms never would have happened. All the various boards out there. Reddit, social media, comments on articles and blogs, and whatever.
Now, I agree, something should be done about big tech. Removing section 230 seems like using a framing hammer when a scalpel is more appropriate.
Posted by: Radio Control Ready For Action at December 04, 2020 03:44 PM (Eg9+v)
Sure. Well, it's the basis for the modern internet as we know it.
If site owners were personally liable for content posted by other people, then no one would allow users to post comment.
Chat rooms never would have happened. All the various boards out there. Reddit, social media, comments on articles and blogs, and whatever.
Now, I agree, something should be done about big tech. Removing section 230 seems like using a framing hammer when a scalpel is more appropriate.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 04, 2020 03:50 PM (UPoLF)
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265 246 How about send in some cruise missiles into twitter, google and facebook HQ and keep Section 230?
Posted by: Eli Cash at December 04, 2020 03:45 PM (SScvq)
Dagum now we're talking.
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Simple fix, just have AZ stop shipping electricity to CA.
Posted by: Eli Cash at December 04, 2020 03:45 PM (SScvq)
Dagum now we're talking.
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Simple fix, just have AZ stop shipping electricity to CA.
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 04, 2020 03:50 PM (ilw10)
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Posted by: Jack Burton, who says, I was born ready at December 04, 2020 03:47 PM (yx0HS)
Greatest example of the uniparty? Watch the reaction whenever Trump mentions ending wars.
One coin, two sides and they fished it out of our pockets.
Greatest example of the uniparty? Watch the reaction whenever Trump mentions ending wars.
One coin, two sides and they fished it out of our pockets.
Posted by: Grip the Weasel at December 04, 2020 03:50 PM (KbCG3)
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Or to put up a disclaimer noting that he is not a content provider, that comments are not part of ACE INC LLC and he simply is allowing public input on his work
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, Best-selling author-elect at December 04, 2020 03:32 PM (KZzs
You can't contract away your liability. That's like water parks making you sign a waiver that they are not responsible for any accidents.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, Best-selling author-elect at December 04, 2020 03:32 PM (KZzs
You can't contract away your liability. That's like water parks making you sign a waiver that they are not responsible for any accidents.
Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks, Look at me at December 04, 2020 03:50 PM (m/vQu)
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@232 qdpsteve"I personally wonder if the solution isn't to take out 230, but to simply
create tons more sites that openly discriminate against lefties and
liberals."-The left has demonstrated they are willing to cheat in plain site. They're not playing by the rules. To continue to pretend the game is fair is a sure way to lose it.
Source: The younger brother
create tons more sites that openly discriminate against lefties and
liberals."-The left has demonstrated they are willing to cheat in plain site. They're not playing by the rules. To continue to pretend the game is fair is a sure way to lose it.
Source: The younger brother
Posted by: squid_hunt at December 04, 2020 03:51 PM (S5OQe)
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If site owners were personally liable for content posted by other people, then no one would allow users to post comment.
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If votes counted then they wouldn't let you cast them.
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If votes counted then they wouldn't let you cast them.
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 04, 2020 03:51 PM (ilw10)
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Went by a CVS in my AO.
They are building a little shack next to their store with 2 doors. One door is labeled "Employees Only" and the other door next to it is labeled "Patient Entry".
Each door has a light over it, I guess to show if the side is full or not.
Looks like the shack is gonna be used to give China Flu shots or to exterminate Trump supporters.
They are building a little shack next to their store with 2 doors. One door is labeled "Employees Only" and the other door next to it is labeled "Patient Entry".
Each door has a light over it, I guess to show if the side is full or not.
Looks like the shack is gonna be used to give China Flu shots or to exterminate Trump supporters.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 04, 2020 03:51 PM (R/m4+)
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Can somebody please explain to me why every time I publish my paragraphs get smashed together?
Posted by: squid_hunt at December 04, 2020 03:52 PM (S5OQe)
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Suing is expensive. Lawyers cost money. If there is a solution that promotes a culture free speech, I would prefer that. Not that I have a perfect solution.
Posted by: chique l'African Viking Math Queen King of Greenland (Your/Majesty/yes) at December 04, 2020 03:52 PM (9hauA)
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he then links an article from the Daily Caller
https://tinyurl.com/yya9nfp5
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, Best-selling author-elect at December 04, 2020 03:36 PM (KZzsI)
Mike Lee is a liar with the rest of the riggers.
Posted by: bat nationalist at December 04, 2020 03:41 PM (R1LMN)
So, currently the total number of Green cards going to citizens of some country is capped.
So even though a LOT of H1B folks from India put in for permanent Greencards, they have to wait on the list with others.
This would allow an Indian H1B to come here, put in for a Greencard... get it... which then frees up that 'slot' for another H1B Job from India.
https://tinyurl.com/yya9nfp5
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, Best-selling author-elect at December 04, 2020 03:36 PM (KZzsI)
Mike Lee is a liar with the rest of the riggers.
Posted by: bat nationalist at December 04, 2020 03:41 PM (R1LMN)
So, currently the total number of Green cards going to citizens of some country is capped.
So even though a LOT of H1B folks from India put in for permanent Greencards, they have to wait on the list with others.
This would allow an Indian H1B to come here, put in for a Greencard... get it... which then frees up that 'slot' for another H1B Job from India.
Posted by: Romeo13 at December 04, 2020 03:52 PM (d9rwJ)
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IIRC, Ace has at times mentioned that the opposition tries to get advertisers to blacklist his site. Then he goes out of business. There goes the blog.
Posted by: Hands at December 04, 2020 03:52 PM (786Ro)
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SCOTUS has to see whats happening. I'm hoping the in-your-face attitude also carries over to SCOTUS and they not only invalidate the votes in these states, but provide some solution that is nowhere near constitutional in our favor - like Make Trump a Warlord King for life - and then let the crybaby bitches have some fun wallowing in this third-world bullshit like the rest of us have been forced to since 10:30 CST on 11/3.
Posted by: Eli Cash at December 04, 2020 03:52 PM (SScvq)
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So when all these businesses go to the wall, who buys up the real estate? China?
Posted by: ... at December 04, 2020 03:53 PM (auIRg)
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30 minutes ago she Tweeted about going to the CDC to meet with Pence.
Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at December 04, 2020 03:44 PM (Y8GVo)
yeah, I don't think these are shenanigans. If someone did die, she is doing the right thing.
Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at December 04, 2020 03:44 PM (Y8GVo)
yeah, I don't think these are shenanigans. If someone did die, she is doing the right thing.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 04, 2020 03:53 PM (sfhL4)
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In the name of fairness and systemic racism we need to spread Goolag, FascistBook and Twatter jobs to Africa to share the wealth. Plenty of room to grow in Africa.
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 04, 2020 03:53 PM (ilw10)
Posted by: squid_hunt at December 04, 2020 03:53 PM (S5OQe)
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I have no idea about Loeffler's staff members. But the politicians in Georgia never seem to run out of excuses to hide in the basement like a Biden until the storms pass.
To me, for a public servant, especially a young person who is a Senate employee, the greatest tribute to my memory and the greatest place to be eulogized would be in the words of my Senate boss, standing up for and next to the President of the United States.
To me, for a public servant, especially a young person who is a Senate employee, the greatest tribute to my memory and the greatest place to be eulogized would be in the words of my Senate boss, standing up for and next to the President of the United States.
Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at December 04, 2020 03:53 PM (Y8GVo)
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Who do the leadership of these mega tech corporations and other Fortune
500 companies think is going to buy their products if they gut the
middle class of the USA?!?
These "titans of Industry" are killing the goose that lays golden
eggs. Short sighted does not even begin to describe these evil bastards
and bastardettes.
Posted by: Bonecrusher at December 04, 2020 03:41 PM (JNTt1)"
On the big tech front, the goose should never have been allowed to exist in the first place.
We need to prohibit the bulk collection, compilation, and sale of certain types of information without the explicit written consent of those subject to it. We've reached the point with processing power, storage space, and advances in machine learning that it presents a threat to the public and the republic that is not outweighed by the benefits.
You can't tell me that getting relevant banner ads is worth this level of targeted partisan censorship, or worth allowing automated systems to gouge me on plane tickets because the panopticon knows I need to get to a funeral.
In terms of socioeconomic coercion, this is the figurative point where they have attained the ability to split the atom in a deliverable way. Just as an atom bomb isn't a bearable "arm", neither are these abominations "speech". They are trying to sneak in the PRC's social credit under the excuse of "but it's not the gubmint doing it".
For the scifi nerds here, what we're seeing is how you end up with the Butlerian Jihad.
Who do the leadership of these mega tech corporations and other Fortune
500 companies think is going to buy their products if they gut the
middle class of the USA?!?
These "titans of Industry" are killing the goose that lays golden
eggs. Short sighted does not even begin to describe these evil bastards
and bastardettes.
Posted by: Bonecrusher at December 04, 2020 03:41 PM (JNTt1)"
On the big tech front, the goose should never have been allowed to exist in the first place.
We need to prohibit the bulk collection, compilation, and sale of certain types of information without the explicit written consent of those subject to it. We've reached the point with processing power, storage space, and advances in machine learning that it presents a threat to the public and the republic that is not outweighed by the benefits.
You can't tell me that getting relevant banner ads is worth this level of targeted partisan censorship, or worth allowing automated systems to gouge me on plane tickets because the panopticon knows I need to get to a funeral.
In terms of socioeconomic coercion, this is the figurative point where they have attained the ability to split the atom in a deliverable way. Just as an atom bomb isn't a bearable "arm", neither are these abominations "speech". They are trying to sneak in the PRC's social credit under the excuse of "but it's not the gubmint doing it".
For the scifi nerds here, what we're seeing is how you end up with the Butlerian Jihad.
Posted by: there are only three star wars films at December 04, 2020 03:53 PM (EEVQU)
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Any price almost is worth paying for that.
Posted by: Radio Control Ready For Action at December 04, 2020 03:39 PM (Eg9+v)
The thing is, if 230 were enforced TODAY, and youtube, twatter and FB were deemed publishers, they'd be fucked. Bigtime.
Because they'd need to go in and retroactively start removing a decade of content. Look at the example I gave a sec ago.
A restaurant is doxxed as racist by antifa. Calls to action, time, place and voila! It's vandalized and even owner or employees physically injured. Ok, so it happened in 2019. But, the tweets are still up, and the owner is likely still feeling repercussions from it. They can sue twatter for an older tweet that remains up the caused harm. Fuck, even the fake yelp! reviews (and they're most definitely a publisher).
These tech firms would need to get actual fucking manpower at the helm, because all of the clever shit algorithms they've been writing for the past decade can't be changed that quickly. They've been targeting a certain demographic. They'll need to start sifting through years of posts, and posts of posts. Manually.
That is a crippling event.
Posted by: Radio Control Ready For Action at December 04, 2020 03:39 PM (Eg9+v)
The thing is, if 230 were enforced TODAY, and youtube, twatter and FB were deemed publishers, they'd be fucked. Bigtime.
Because they'd need to go in and retroactively start removing a decade of content. Look at the example I gave a sec ago.
A restaurant is doxxed as racist by antifa. Calls to action, time, place and voila! It's vandalized and even owner or employees physically injured. Ok, so it happened in 2019. But, the tweets are still up, and the owner is likely still feeling repercussions from it. They can sue twatter for an older tweet that remains up the caused harm. Fuck, even the fake yelp! reviews (and they're most definitely a publisher).
These tech firms would need to get actual fucking manpower at the helm, because all of the clever shit algorithms they've been writing for the past decade can't be changed that quickly. They've been targeting a certain demographic. They'll need to start sifting through years of posts, and posts of posts. Manually.
That is a crippling event.
Posted by: clutch cargo Now 100% Lubricant Free at December 04, 2020 03:53 PM (L8ADy)
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Threrad. Proof to send traitors to prison if Donald has the will. (pics and video proof)
https://tinyurl.com/y255tonw
Stymie
@xSTYMIEx
Our secret advisor was absolutely right...
"THESE PEOPLE ARE STUPID"
No return addresses. No stamps. "Pristine"! No verifiersl
H/T
@jeasRyuu
@bvoice_p
@PainsAngels2
@Purpl3Vengeance
@SweeetMystery
@P_A_N_I_C_17
@TexasWhiteHats2
1/
Cont..
https://tinyurl.com/y255tonw
Stymie
@xSTYMIEx
Our secret advisor was absolutely right...
"THESE PEOPLE ARE STUPID"
No return addresses. No stamps. "Pristine"! No verifiersl
H/T
@jeasRyuu
@bvoice_p
@PainsAngels2
@Purpl3Vengeance
@SweeetMystery
@P_A_N_I_C_17
@TexasWhiteHats2
1/
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Posted by: bat nationalist at December 04, 2020 03:53 PM (R1LMN)
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274 Went by a CVS in my AO.
They are building a little shack next to their store with 2 doors. One door is labeled "Employees Only" and the other door next to it is labeled "Patient Entry".
Each door has a light over it, I guess to show if the side is full or not.
Looks like the shack is gonna be used to give China Flu shots or to exterminate Trump supporters.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 04, 2020 03:51 PM (R/m4+)
Or.... something.
They are building a little shack next to their store with 2 doors. One door is labeled "Employees Only" and the other door next to it is labeled "Patient Entry".
Each door has a light over it, I guess to show if the side is full or not.
Looks like the shack is gonna be used to give China Flu shots or to exterminate Trump supporters.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 04, 2020 03:51 PM (R/m4+)
Or.... something.
Posted by: CyberMan, from Dr. Who. at December 04, 2020 03:54 PM (d9rwJ)
Posted by: squid_hunt at December 04, 2020 03:54 PM (S5OQe)
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You're misunderstanding what Section 230 does. It protects entities from being sued when a commenters promotes something illegal. We already would boot people for that. Facebook is less inclined to boot ISIS selling sex slaves than we are, but still enjoys immunity from liability.
Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at December 04, 2020 03:49 PM (Zm+LZ)
I don't believe it only protects against suits based on illegal acts. I believe it also includes libel.
Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at December 04, 2020 03:49 PM (Zm+LZ)
I don't believe it only protects against suits based on illegal acts. I believe it also includes libel.
Posted by: chique l'African Viking Math Queen King of Greenland (Your/Majesty/yes) at December 04, 2020 03:54 PM (9hauA)
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Ace,
I went to Mike Lee's website and read his comments on why he is against taking out Sec. 230. I yield to no one in my utter contempt for Facebook, Google and Twit, and I do not have their accounts. That said, what Lee is saying is that we are going after the wrong section, which is concerned with antitrust. He said if we want to sort the real problem, we need to start looking at telecommunications. He agrees there is a serious problem. He just doesn't think we are attacking the right section to get the result we want to have.
Lee is generally a straight shooter, unlike the other bastard who is a Utah senator. His argument sounded logical to me. Maybe the rest of you should take a look at it and see what it sounds like to you.
I went to Mike Lee's website and read his comments on why he is against taking out Sec. 230. I yield to no one in my utter contempt for Facebook, Google and Twit, and I do not have their accounts. That said, what Lee is saying is that we are going after the wrong section, which is concerned with antitrust. He said if we want to sort the real problem, we need to start looking at telecommunications. He agrees there is a serious problem. He just doesn't think we are attacking the right section to get the result we want to have.
Lee is generally a straight shooter, unlike the other bastard who is a Utah senator. His argument sounded logical to me. Maybe the rest of you should take a look at it and see what it sounds like to you.
Posted by: mac at December 04, 2020 03:54 PM (l+sZy)
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Getting rid of 230 might help. Breaking up the monopolies would probably help more. Repealing 230 won't keep them from conspiring to restrain trade (coordinated deplatforming, forcing people out of hosting, refusing card processing, etc. etc. etc.).
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 04, 2020 03:54 PM (hYcqw)
Posted by: preznit select vmom at December 04, 2020 03:54 PM (nUhF0)
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The US Constitution only applies to the US government, not private
citizens or businesses. It is written clearly and explicitly to limit
the power of the federal (and in some ways state) governments.
In no way or any possible sense does it in any place control, limit, or apply to businesses or individuals.
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It is, as the Constitution is a permission slip for the federal government to exist given to it by The People through our state legislators.
But the sole legitimate purpose of the federal government is to protect our God-given Rights against all threats, and big tech is one of the main threats today.
citizens or businesses. It is written clearly and explicitly to limit
the power of the federal (and in some ways state) governments.
In no way or any possible sense does it in any place control, limit, or apply to businesses or individuals.
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It is, as the Constitution is a permission slip for the federal government to exist given to it by The People through our state legislators.
But the sole legitimate purpose of the federal government is to protect our God-given Rights against all threats, and big tech is one of the main threats today.
Posted by: Methos at December 04, 2020 03:55 PM (kOpft)
Posted by: bat nationalist at December 04, 2020 03:55 PM (R1LMN)
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They are building a little shack next to their store with 2 doors. One door is labeled "Employees Only" and the other door next to it is labeled "Patient Entry".
Each door has a light over it, I guess to show if the side is full or not.
Looks like the shack is gonna be used to give China Flu shots or to exterminate Trump supporters.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 04, 2020 03:51 PM (R/m4+)
+++++++++++++
Vaccination. Execution. Glory hole. Flip a coin, I guess.
Each door has a light over it, I guess to show if the side is full or not.
Looks like the shack is gonna be used to give China Flu shots or to exterminate Trump supporters.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 04, 2020 03:51 PM (R/m4+)
+++++++++++++
Vaccination. Execution. Glory hole. Flip a coin, I guess.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 04, 2020 03:55 PM (hYcqw)
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@291 mac
It's funny Lee never mentioned the telecommunications until now when his back's against the wall. It's obfuscation. He's a sell-out. Jordan is a sell-out. They are trying to delay until they can get Trump out of office. The spice must flow.
It's funny Lee never mentioned the telecommunications until now when his back's against the wall. It's obfuscation. He's a sell-out. Jordan is a sell-out. They are trying to delay until they can get Trump out of office. The spice must flow.
Posted by: squid_hunt at December 04, 2020 03:56 PM (S5OQe)
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Lee is generally a straight shooter.....
Posted by: mac at December 04, 2020 03:54 PM (l+sZy)
And his argument for increasing the H1B visas? Also straight shooting? Oh wait, he calls that 'fighting discrimination'.
Posted by: mac at December 04, 2020 03:54 PM (l+sZy)
And his argument for increasing the H1B visas? Also straight shooting? Oh wait, he calls that 'fighting discrimination'.
Posted by: motionview at December 04, 2020 03:57 PM (pYQR/)
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apparently tulsi and gosar have written some kind of anti big tech abuse bill
no idea what's in it
no idea what's in it
Posted by: preznit select vmom at December 04, 2020 03:57 PM (nUhF0)
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290 You're misunderstanding what Section 230 does. It protects entities from being sued when a commenters promotes something illegal. We already would boot people for that. Facebook is less inclined to boot ISIS selling sex slaves than we are, but still enjoys immunity from liability.
Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at December 04, 2020 03:49 PM (Zm+LZ)
I don't believe it only protects against suits based on illegal acts. I believe it also includes libel.
Posted by: chique l'African Viking Math Queen King of Greenland (Your/Majesty/yes) at December 04, 2020 03:54 PM (9hauA)
Libel is illegal, but yes 230 limits liability to the publisher when it comes to libel. It's worth noting an argument can be made AoS doesn't have 230 protection simply on the grounds that we do have moderation.
Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at December 04, 2020 03:49 PM (Zm+LZ)
I don't believe it only protects against suits based on illegal acts. I believe it also includes libel.
Posted by: chique l'African Viking Math Queen King of Greenland (Your/Majesty/yes) at December 04, 2020 03:54 PM (9hauA)
Libel is illegal, but yes 230 limits liability to the publisher when it comes to libel. It's worth noting an argument can be made AoS doesn't have 230 protection simply on the grounds that we do have moderation.
Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at December 04, 2020 03:57 PM (Zm+LZ)
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@SenatorLoeffler
31m
Proud to join @VP at @cdcgov to discuss the tremendous progress that has been made under @realDonaldTrump's leadership to deliver a COVID-19 vaccine.
I'm grateful for this administration's relentless work against the invisible enemy. Together, we will win this fight.
30 minutes ago she Tweeted about going to the CDC to meet with Pence.
Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at December 04, 2020 03:44 PM (Y8GVo)
Wait what?
So, despite her staffer's passing away, she can attend *that* but not tomorrow's rally? Is that really happening?
31m
Proud to join @VP at @cdcgov to discuss the tremendous progress that has been made under @realDonaldTrump's leadership to deliver a COVID-19 vaccine.
I'm grateful for this administration's relentless work against the invisible enemy. Together, we will win this fight.
30 minutes ago she Tweeted about going to the CDC to meet with Pence.
Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at December 04, 2020 03:44 PM (Y8GVo)
Wait what?
So, despite her staffer's passing away, she can attend *that* but not tomorrow's rally? Is that really happening?
Posted by: Hands at December 04, 2020 03:57 PM (786Ro)
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Lee is generally a straight shooter...
He has accurately put a few hundred rounds into the corpse of the Republic.
He has accurately put a few hundred rounds into the corpse of the Republic.
Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at December 04, 2020 03:58 PM (Y8GVo)
303
Why not have Goolag, FascistBook and Twatter just open offices in India and own all of the cheap labor? Offshoring is a thing, is it not?
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 04, 2020 03:58 PM (ilw10)
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Posted by: mac at December 04, 2020 03:54 PM (l+sZy)
Thanks for the info. We need to carefully consider the consequences and not rush something through because we're upset (aka feelings). That is what libs do.
Thanks for the info. We need to carefully consider the consequences and not rush something through because we're upset (aka feelings). That is what libs do.
Posted by: chique l'African Viking Math Queen King of Greenland (Your/Majesty/yes) at December 04, 2020 03:59 PM (9hauA)
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These tech firms would need to get actual fucking manpower at the helm, because all of the clever shit algorithms they've been writing for the past decade can't be changed that quickly. They've been targeting a certain demographic. They'll need to start sifting through years of posts, and posts of posts. Manually.
That is a crippling event.
Posted by: clutch cargo Now 100% Lubricant Free at December 04, 2020 03:53 PM (L8ADy)
Problem is that 230 is mis applied.
Once any Tech company starts to Censor, then they are a publisher, because they are editing Content.
Hmmm... has this designation even ever been tested in court?
230 needs to be fixed, more than repealed, but it ain't going to get fixed, and the status quo is flat out Anti American.
That is a crippling event.
Posted by: clutch cargo Now 100% Lubricant Free at December 04, 2020 03:53 PM (L8ADy)
Problem is that 230 is mis applied.
Once any Tech company starts to Censor, then they are a publisher, because they are editing Content.
Hmmm... has this designation even ever been tested in court?
230 needs to be fixed, more than repealed, but it ain't going to get fixed, and the status quo is flat out Anti American.
Posted by: Romeo13 at December 04, 2020 03:59 PM (d9rwJ)
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Mike Lee Press Release
Senate Passes Bill Fighting Immigration Discrimination and Protecting American Workers
See, we give your jobs to Indians, and then the companies exploit the shit out of them. See how that protects American workers? No? Wait, did you donate to me? Then why the f*ck am I talking to you.
Senate Passes Bill Fighting Immigration Discrimination and Protecting American Workers
See, we give your jobs to Indians, and then the companies exploit the shit out of them. See how that protects American workers? No? Wait, did you donate to me? Then why the f*ck am I talking to you.
Posted by: motionview at December 04, 2020 04:00 PM (pYQR/)
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These tech firms would need to get actual
fucking manpower at the helm, because all of the clever shit algorithms
they've been writing for the past decade can't be changed that quickly.
They've been targeting a certain demographic. They'll need to start
sifting through years of posts, and posts of posts. Manually.
That is a crippling event.
Posted by: clutch cargo Now 100% Lubricant Free at December 04, 2020 03:53 PM (L8ADy)
I largely agree and as a general rule think that the public internet should die in a fire, and I say this having been a poster on and off on sites like AoS and the long fallen LGF and HotAir since just after 9-11. I love to some extent what the public internet has done for me in terms of exposing me to viewpoints and 'unknown unknowns' for almost 20 years. Yet, I think most of this activity could move underground and existing online networks would better serve themselves acting more like the old internet (the true social media) than the clickbait economy.
These tech firms would need to get actual
fucking manpower at the helm, because all of the clever shit algorithms
they've been writing for the past decade can't be changed that quickly.
They've been targeting a certain demographic. They'll need to start
sifting through years of posts, and posts of posts. Manually.
That is a crippling event.
Posted by: clutch cargo Now 100% Lubricant Free at December 04, 2020 03:53 PM (L8ADy)
I largely agree and as a general rule think that the public internet should die in a fire, and I say this having been a poster on and off on sites like AoS and the long fallen LGF and HotAir since just after 9-11. I love to some extent what the public internet has done for me in terms of exposing me to viewpoints and 'unknown unknowns' for almost 20 years. Yet, I think most of this activity could move underground and existing online networks would better serve themselves acting more like the old internet (the true social media) than the clickbait economy.
Posted by: Radio Control Ready For Action at December 04, 2020 04:00 PM (Eg9+v)
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chique l'African Viking Math Queen King of Greenland (Your/Majesty/yes)
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For the record the ancestors of the people living in Greenland now ate the Vikings they found there. Not sure they will appreciate a Viking queen.
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For the record the ancestors of the people living in Greenland now ate the Vikings they found there. Not sure they will appreciate a Viking queen.
Posted by: 18-1 at December 04, 2020 04:00 PM (qlFIA)
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Third party is not an option. We need a hostile takeover of the GOP.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at December 04, 2020 02:51 PM (4tiP2)
How ? Let's do some math and some history, shall we.
The Tea Party Wave installed somewhere between 1/4 and 1/3 of the GOP majority that took a pretty good House majority. How did that work out ? The GOP Leadership isolated them, assimilated who they could, and shit canned the rest. The GOP Leadership is not interested in huge majorities that they can't control.
So we pushed Trump over the line. How did that work out ? The GOP House majority laid down - literally. Over forty GOP CongressDouches walked away from the best paying no show job they'd ever had in their lives. Why ? Oh - spare me the shit about committee seats and such. They walked away because the GOP said so. Paul Ryan led the failure theater.
Taking over the GOP can't happen. It really can't. You'd have to elect a majority of insurrectionists in the House - and still maintain a Party majority. That's at least 125 or so, all at once. And you have to elect a President against their will as well. Oh - and you have to blow up the Senate - because they only allow one third of their body to be elected at a time.
Nobody is taking over the GOP - because the GOP does not give a fuck about winning or losing. They'll gladly lose, if that's what it takes to keep control of their party. Keep going out there and voting for them to win. They don't care. They really don't give two shits.
Posted by: Always Be Lurking at December 04, 2020 03:04 PM (rkCLP)
ABL, this is definitely a discussion worth having.
I get all the arguments for starting a new party, and I'm quite sympathetic to it. These are my problems with it:
The Bull Moose Party
The Reform Party of the United States of America
The Libertarian Party
The GREEN Party
The Whig Party
etc. etc. etc.
Other than the Whig Party, none of them have had any more than a negligible long-term influence. Perot's Reform party was responsible for getting Bill Clinton elected.
The challenges to setting up a nation-wide infrastructure to get candidates on ballots is significant, and extremely expensive. To get someone on the NY ballot, for instance, is well-nigh impossible. Bloomberg tried, and the only way he was able to circumvent the Democratic Party to get on a ballot was to pay off the NY GOP to do it for him.
You're not getting on the ballots in 50 states without tens of millions of dollars spent on lawyers.
Better to spend that money in taking out 1/3 of the Senators per cycle. Between money for new candidates and funds shrinking for existing ones because the base isn't supporting them, it's a lot easier than the alternative.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at December 04, 2020 02:51 PM (4tiP2)
How ? Let's do some math and some history, shall we.
The Tea Party Wave installed somewhere between 1/4 and 1/3 of the GOP majority that took a pretty good House majority. How did that work out ? The GOP Leadership isolated them, assimilated who they could, and shit canned the rest. The GOP Leadership is not interested in huge majorities that they can't control.
So we pushed Trump over the line. How did that work out ? The GOP House majority laid down - literally. Over forty GOP CongressDouches walked away from the best paying no show job they'd ever had in their lives. Why ? Oh - spare me the shit about committee seats and such. They walked away because the GOP said so. Paul Ryan led the failure theater.
Taking over the GOP can't happen. It really can't. You'd have to elect a majority of insurrectionists in the House - and still maintain a Party majority. That's at least 125 or so, all at once. And you have to elect a President against their will as well. Oh - and you have to blow up the Senate - because they only allow one third of their body to be elected at a time.
Nobody is taking over the GOP - because the GOP does not give a fuck about winning or losing. They'll gladly lose, if that's what it takes to keep control of their party. Keep going out there and voting for them to win. They don't care. They really don't give two shits.
Posted by: Always Be Lurking at December 04, 2020 03:04 PM (rkCLP)
ABL, this is definitely a discussion worth having.
I get all the arguments for starting a new party, and I'm quite sympathetic to it. These are my problems with it:
The Bull Moose Party
The Reform Party of the United States of America
The Libertarian Party
The GREEN Party
The Whig Party
etc. etc. etc.
Other than the Whig Party, none of them have had any more than a negligible long-term influence. Perot's Reform party was responsible for getting Bill Clinton elected.
The challenges to setting up a nation-wide infrastructure to get candidates on ballots is significant, and extremely expensive. To get someone on the NY ballot, for instance, is well-nigh impossible. Bloomberg tried, and the only way he was able to circumvent the Democratic Party to get on a ballot was to pay off the NY GOP to do it for him.
You're not getting on the ballots in 50 states without tens of millions of dollars spent on lawyers.
Better to spend that money in taking out 1/3 of the Senators per cycle. Between money for new candidates and funds shrinking for existing ones because the base isn't supporting them, it's a lot easier than the alternative.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at December 04, 2020 04:00 PM (RNIUJ)
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280 So when all these businesses go to the wall, who buys up the real estate? China?
Posted by: ... at December 04, 2020 03:53 PM (auIRg)
Private residences who can't pay the mortgage. Our state and national parks. Farmlands Yes, China and other foreign countries. This has always been the plan.
China can't feed their population or military without our farmlands. this is the level. They need Biden and the rest of the traitors to force Trump out.
Posted by: ... at December 04, 2020 03:53 PM (auIRg)
Private residences who can't pay the mortgage. Our state and national parks. Farmlands Yes, China and other foreign countries. This has always been the plan.
China can't feed their population or military without our farmlands. this is the level. They need Biden and the rest of the traitors to force Trump out.
Posted by: bat nationalist at December 04, 2020 04:00 PM (R1LMN)
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"303
Why not have Goolag, FascistBook and Twatter just open offices in India
and own all of the cheap labor? Offshoring is a thing, is it not?
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 04, 2020 03:58 PM (ilw10)"
They already have dozens of offices there and employ tens of thousands of them, but I doubt they have any interest in getting into the staffing business.
A lot of the stuff they attribute to fancy algorithms is just third worlders in cubicle farms, mechanical turk style.
Why not have Goolag, FascistBook and Twatter just open offices in India
and own all of the cheap labor? Offshoring is a thing, is it not?
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 04, 2020 03:58 PM (ilw10)"
They already have dozens of offices there and employ tens of thousands of them, but I doubt they have any interest in getting into the staffing business.
A lot of the stuff they attribute to fancy algorithms is just third worlders in cubicle farms, mechanical turk style.
Posted by: there are only three star wars films at December 04, 2020 04:00 PM (EEVQU)
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Posted by: bat nationalist at December 04, 2020 03:53 PM (R1LMN)
Some pretty damning videos of our Ruby talking about the shit she's doing. And her daughter. Can't make this shit up.
Some pretty damning videos of our Ruby talking about the shit she's doing. And her daughter. Can't make this shit up.
Posted by: clutch cargo Now 100% Lubricant Free at December 04, 2020 04:01 PM (L8ADy)
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This Section 230 crap is a red herring and a trap. The way to go after the big tech companies is to prosecute them for fraud. Shadowbanning is fraud. Manipulating trends and likes is fraud. How many businesses got woke and went broke because they relied on bad data from social media companies? Private companies can do what they like but they're not allowed to lie about it.
Posted by: schizoid at December 04, 2020 04:01 PM (El4pO)
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A lot of the stuff they attribute to fancy algorithms is just third worlders in cubicle farms, mechanical turk style.
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Yeah, I know. That's why I don't want it here.
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Yeah, I know. That's why I don't want it here.
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 04, 2020 04:02 PM (ilw10)
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Priorities....
Senator Kelly Loeffler
@SenatorLoeffler
Dec 3
Proud to announce my Prosperity Plan -- a comprehensive framework tailored to propel minority communities to new heights of success through:
Economic Prosperity and Access to Capital
Family Prosperity and Opportunity
Community Prosperity and Safety
Senator Kelly Loeffler
@SenatorLoeffler
Dec 3
Proud to announce my Prosperity Plan -- a comprehensive framework tailored to propel minority communities to new heights of success through:
Economic Prosperity and Access to Capital
Family Prosperity and Opportunity
Community Prosperity and Safety
Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at December 04, 2020 04:02 PM (Y8GVo)
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In other news, the monolith is back and has appeared at a central texas college campus.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 04, 2020 04:02 PM (r+sAi)
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Libel is illegal, but yes 230 limits liability to the publisher when it comes to libel. It's worth noting an argument can be made AoS doesn't have 230 protection simply on the grounds that we do have moderation.
Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at December 04, 2020 03:57 PM (Zm+LZ)
But does that even matter? As the servers are most probably outside of the US?
Which is a large part of the Tech issue. These companies are not just having to comply with US law, but with EU and Chinese Law, which have no Freedom of Speech Constitutional issues.
Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at December 04, 2020 03:57 PM (Zm+LZ)
But does that even matter? As the servers are most probably outside of the US?
Which is a large part of the Tech issue. These companies are not just having to comply with US law, but with EU and Chinese Law, which have no Freedom of Speech Constitutional issues.
Posted by: Romeo13 at December 04, 2020 04:02 PM (d9rwJ)
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PJ Media says "no, the Army did not lose men invading a server farm in Frankfurt, Germany".
The invasion part of the story was always extraneous rumor, even by that general. Flynn did not want to comment on the whole thing at all. There was under oath (military guy, I think) testimony at a hearing (TX?) that "white hats were able to track internet packets going to Germany, from the voting/counting machines".
Servers and/or routers would hold a lot of identifying data (I hear), but I can only hope someone is ratting out Dominion crooks, or our top guys are breaking the code and finding what scripts were run when and where. In any case, there seems to be ample other evidence of the cheat, as Trump laid out in his speech.
I doubt Haspel is dead or cooperating, best would be if she is kept out of the loop. Maybe there is part of one of the military agencies that has taken the lead (away from Barr/Wray/Haspel). No clear indication, except for a few miltary guys or former DNI guys speaking up a little.
The invasion part of the story was always extraneous rumor, even by that general. Flynn did not want to comment on the whole thing at all. There was under oath (military guy, I think) testimony at a hearing (TX?) that "white hats were able to track internet packets going to Germany, from the voting/counting machines".
Servers and/or routers would hold a lot of identifying data (I hear), but I can only hope someone is ratting out Dominion crooks, or our top guys are breaking the code and finding what scripts were run when and where. In any case, there seems to be ample other evidence of the cheat, as Trump laid out in his speech.
I doubt Haspel is dead or cooperating, best would be if she is kept out of the loop. Maybe there is part of one of the military agencies that has taken the lead (away from Barr/Wray/Haspel). No clear indication, except for a few miltary guys or former DNI guys speaking up a little.
Posted by: illiniwek at December 04, 2020 04:02 PM (Cus5s)
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One of the things that Trump needed to do more of over the last 4 years was probably strong moves like this. There were at least 3 shitburger bills the swamp foisted on him, at the last minute, in a panic, without having been read...that Trump should've veto'ed.
Who knows why he ended up doing stuff like staffing key roles with anti-trumpers or letting Mitch keep his appointments from going through.
Wow, fuck the GOP, eh?
Who knows why he ended up doing stuff like staffing key roles with anti-trumpers or letting Mitch keep his appointments from going through.
Wow, fuck the GOP, eh?
Posted by: President Elect RedCheckmark at December 04, 2020 04:02 PM (hpcyB)
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Some pretty damning videos of our Ruby talking about the shit she's doing. And her daughter. Can't make this shit up.
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I've been saying for a while that if you just seize all of the digital communications of the people involved in The Steal that you'll have more then enough evidence to end it.
They won't have pulled off any reasonable OpeSec because they aren't the kind of people that can.
But the lynchpin is the left expecting Trump to roll over.
***
I've been saying for a while that if you just seize all of the digital communications of the people involved in The Steal that you'll have more then enough evidence to end it.
They won't have pulled off any reasonable OpeSec because they aren't the kind of people that can.
But the lynchpin is the left expecting Trump to roll over.
Posted by: 18-1 at December 04, 2020 04:02 PM (qlFIA)
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"This new American-style corporate state reflects not a conspiracy but the politics of a society with unprecedented concentrations of wealth and power."
Um, no. It is a conspiracy, and part of the ongoing Deep State coup meant to usher in a fascist state.
One need not don a tinfoil hat to see this.
Um, no. It is a conspiracy, and part of the ongoing Deep State coup meant to usher in a fascist state.
One need not don a tinfoil hat to see this.
Posted by: Gaelic Girl's Irish Democracy at December 04, 2020 04:02 PM (5FCda)
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The problem is this is what Twitter/Facebook want. They have the AI to control content, its the smaller groups like Parler/Gab/Bitchute that will have problems. I normally am on the side of smaller government and less regulation, but getting rid of 230 is what the big boys want.
Posted by: Alexander Martin at December 04, 2020 04:03 PM (Rxnxe)
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"315
A lot of the stuff they attribute to fancy algorithms is just third worlders in cubicle farms, mechanical turk style.
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Yeah, I know. That's why I don't want it here.
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 04, 2020 04:02 PM (ilw10)"
Little late for that. FB in particular has a reputation for running the most horrific moderation sweatshops here in the US.
A lot of the stuff they attribute to fancy algorithms is just third worlders in cubicle farms, mechanical turk style.
-----------------
Yeah, I know. That's why I don't want it here.
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 04, 2020 04:02 PM (ilw10)"
Little late for that. FB in particular has a reputation for running the most horrific moderation sweatshops here in the US.
Posted by: there are only three star wars films at December 04, 2020 04:03 PM (EEVQU)
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My ass.
She's not going because she doesn't want to.
Do not vote for her. She doesn't care if she wins or loses.
Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at December 04, 2020 03:34 PM (6vHcr)
I do not know much about her, but I had read early on about her stock shenanigans, although they were discounted. She seems all about herself and for herself.
But...
Pence mentioned the death too. I trust him.
My ass.
She's not going because she doesn't want to.
Do not vote for her. She doesn't care if she wins or loses.
Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at December 04, 2020 03:34 PM (6vHcr)
I do not know much about her, but I had read early on about her stock shenanigans, although they were discounted. She seems all about herself and for herself.
But...
Pence mentioned the death too. I trust him.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 04, 2020 04:03 PM (sfhL4)
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From the thread below. Now os the t8me when Lee and Scott and Ribio can get paid by the Chamber of Commerce and Tech without penalty. They know Yrump will veto this shit. This they shrug and cash the check.
Posted by: Asscheeks of Saturn at December 04, 2020 04:03 PM (/Em8G)
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A lot of the stuff they attribute to fancy algorithms is just third worlders in cubicle farms, mechanical turk style.
Posted by: there are only three star wars films at December 04, 2020 04:00 PM (EEVQU)
Honestly, that's exactly what it is. Their algorithms ain't all that. And they can't adapt fast enough. So, the word goes out and these guys start pulling/blocking content. There's very little skill involved in this shit, and they hire them for pennies on the dollar to work 24/7.
Posted by: there are only three star wars films at December 04, 2020 04:00 PM (EEVQU)
Honestly, that's exactly what it is. Their algorithms ain't all that. And they can't adapt fast enough. So, the word goes out and these guys start pulling/blocking content. There's very little skill involved in this shit, and they hire them for pennies on the dollar to work 24/7.
Posted by: clutch cargo Now 100% Lubricant Free at December 04, 2020 04:03 PM (L8ADy)
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316 Priorities....
Senator Kelly Loeffler
@SenatorLoeffler
Dec 3
Proud to announce my Prosperity Plan -- a comprehensive framework tailored to propel minority communities to new heights of success through:
Economic Prosperity and Access to Capital
Family Prosperity and Opportunity
Community Prosperity and Safety
Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at December 04, 2020 04:02 PM (Y8GVo)
Does anyone ever let them know that the names sound Orwellian?
Whatever happened to "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the Government, and I'm here to help. "
Senator Kelly Loeffler
@SenatorLoeffler
Dec 3
Proud to announce my Prosperity Plan -- a comprehensive framework tailored to propel minority communities to new heights of success through:
Economic Prosperity and Access to Capital
Family Prosperity and Opportunity
Community Prosperity and Safety
Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at December 04, 2020 04:02 PM (Y8GVo)
Does anyone ever let them know that the names sound Orwellian?
Whatever happened to "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the Government, and I'm here to help. "
Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at December 04, 2020 04:03 PM (Zm+LZ)
328
Libel is illegal, but yes 230 limits liability to
the publisher when it comes to libel. It's worth noting an argument can
be made AoS doesn't have 230 protection simply on the grounds that we do
have moderation.
Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at December 04, 2020 03:57 PM (Zm+LZ)
My rule here is that if you think the law is protecting you (as a conservative on the internet) chances are you are probably wrong in practice. Any attempt to enforce or repeal 230 would likely impact *everyone* currently on the public internet. It's a matter of the political will to either apply it to big tech and leave small providers alone. This is not equal application of the law, but yet I think with companies that are large enough to wield political power over states or nations, they can no longer be counted as private entities at all. Anyone arguing that facebook is just a private business even though it can manipulate public institutions with ease, is a fool.
Fight me on this
the publisher when it comes to libel. It's worth noting an argument can
be made AoS doesn't have 230 protection simply on the grounds that we do
have moderation.
Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at December 04, 2020 03:57 PM (Zm+LZ)
My rule here is that if you think the law is protecting you (as a conservative on the internet) chances are you are probably wrong in practice. Any attempt to enforce or repeal 230 would likely impact *everyone* currently on the public internet. It's a matter of the political will to either apply it to big tech and leave small providers alone. This is not equal application of the law, but yet I think with companies that are large enough to wield political power over states or nations, they can no longer be counted as private entities at all. Anyone arguing that facebook is just a private business even though it can manipulate public institutions with ease, is a fool.
Fight me on this
Posted by: Radio Control Ready For Action at December 04, 2020 04:04 PM (Eg9+v)
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This is not either a right-wing issue or a left-wing one, but a matter of protecting our republic before it is too late.
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Hahahahahahaha!
Oh, Joel. You're just precious.
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Hahahahahahaha!
Oh, Joel. You're just precious.
Posted by: Azathoth at December 04, 2020 04:04 PM (XlVMJ)
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"We wanted to keep things weird in ATX. So, ACs Welding Dept made
this awesome structure for you to enjoy, ACC District said in a
tweet."Check it out at Fontaine Plaza at Highland. #Monolith #Highland
#Atx
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Not the same Monolith
"We wanted to keep things weird in ATX. So, ACs Welding Dept made
this awesome structure for you to enjoy, ACC District said in a
tweet."Check it out at Fontaine Plaza at Highland. #Monolith #Highland
#Atx
***
Not the same Monolith
Posted by: 18-1 at December 04, 2020 04:04 PM (qlFIA)
Posted by: Hands at December 04, 2020 04:04 PM (786Ro)
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313 Posted by: bat nationalist at December 04, 2020 03:53 PM (R1LMN)
Some pretty damning videos of our Ruby talking about the shit she's doing. And her daughter. Can't make this shit up.
Posted by: clutch cargo Now 100% Lubricant Free at December 04, 2020 04:01
that is how the truly oppressed classes work. By constantly breaking the laws and rubbing peoples' noses in it knowing they will not be charges or held accountable. Unless Trump via EO 13848..
Some pretty damning videos of our Ruby talking about the shit she's doing. And her daughter. Can't make this shit up.
Posted by: clutch cargo Now 100% Lubricant Free at December 04, 2020 04:01
that is how the truly oppressed classes work. By constantly breaking the laws and rubbing peoples' noses in it knowing they will not be charges or held accountable. Unless Trump via EO 13848..
Posted by: bat nationalist at December 04, 2020 04:04 PM (R1LMN)
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It's worth noting an argument can
be made AoS doesn't have 230 protection simply on the grounds that we do
have moderation.
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So the Barrel is moderation?
be made AoS doesn't have 230 protection simply on the grounds that we do
have moderation.
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So the Barrel is moderation?
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 04, 2020 04:05 PM (ilw10)
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It's so nice to hear Pence talk. Many say how dry he sounds, etc. But he's a good man. I want him to remain in the VP slot again.
It's so nice to hear Pence talk. Many say how dry he sounds, etc. But he's a good man. I want him to remain in the VP slot again.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 04, 2020 04:05 PM (sfhL4)
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from my weekly ATF update:
https://www.atf.gov/news/pr/federal-grand-jury
-charges-dive-boat-captain-seamans-
manslaughter-fire-santa-barbara-coast
https://www.atf.gov/news/pr/federal-grand-jury
-charges-dive-boat-captain-seamans-
manslaughter-fire-santa-barbara-coast
Posted by: redc1c4, Trump Won! at December 04, 2020 04:05 PM (X/O1y)
336
Whatever happened to "The nine most terrifying words
in the English language are: I'm from the Government, and I'm here to
help. "
Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at December 04, 2020 04:03 PM (Zm+LZ)
I would like to think that in the coming years, when we show up to arrest the journalists and judges, we will use this statement. Whether it will be used ironically or unironically I cannot say; only that it will be used with great relish.
in the English language are: I'm from the Government, and I'm here to
help. "
Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at December 04, 2020 04:03 PM (Zm+LZ)
I would like to think that in the coming years, when we show up to arrest the journalists and judges, we will use this statement. Whether it will be used ironically or unironically I cannot say; only that it will be used with great relish.
Posted by: Radio Control Ready For Action at December 04, 2020 04:05 PM (Eg9+v)
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From a previous thread...I just saw when I hit the "end" button on the main page....
hahah...transplaining. oh my god.
hahah...transplaining. oh my god.
Posted by: President Elect RedCheckmark at December 04, 2020 04:05 PM (hpcyB)
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The problem is this is what Twitter/Facebook want. They have the AI to
control content, its the smaller groups like Parler/Gab/Bitchute that
will have problems. I normally am on the side of smaller government and
less regulation, but getting rid of 230 is what the big boys want.
Posted by: Alexander Martin at December 04, 2020 04:03 PM (Rxnxe)"
It's not AI. It's almost entirely a combination of human labor and dumb filtering. Perfect case in point is the hilarity from a couple of weeks ago with people deliberate trolling Twatter to get election warning slapped on their tweets talking about selecting a hammer for household use.
This is big tech's dirty secret. It's also why cloud based home cameras and microphone assistants are idiotic - it's not just fancy tech listening in on that; they have literal armies of workers faking along parts of it. If you have, say, an Alexa, there is a good chance some dude in Eastern Europe is listening when you prompt it for something.
The problem is this is what Twitter/Facebook want. They have the AI to
control content, its the smaller groups like Parler/Gab/Bitchute that
will have problems. I normally am on the side of smaller government and
less regulation, but getting rid of 230 is what the big boys want.
Posted by: Alexander Martin at December 04, 2020 04:03 PM (Rxnxe)"
It's not AI. It's almost entirely a combination of human labor and dumb filtering. Perfect case in point is the hilarity from a couple of weeks ago with people deliberate trolling Twatter to get election warning slapped on their tweets talking about selecting a hammer for household use.
This is big tech's dirty secret. It's also why cloud based home cameras and microphone assistants are idiotic - it's not just fancy tech listening in on that; they have literal armies of workers faking along parts of it. If you have, say, an Alexa, there is a good chance some dude in Eastern Europe is listening when you prompt it for something.
Posted by: there are only three star wars films at December 04, 2020 04:06 PM (EEVQU)
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I went to Mike Lee's website and read his comments on why he is against taking out Sec. 230. I yield to no one in my utter contempt for Facebook, Google and Twit, and I do not have their accounts. That said, what Lee is saying is that we are going after the wrong section, which is concerned with antitrust. He said if we want to sort the real problem, we need to start looking at telecommunications. He agrees there is a serious problem. He just doesn't think we are attacking the right section to get the result we want to have.
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Posted by: mac at December 04, 2020 03:54 PM (l+sZy)
No reason not to do both. Trump fights the battles he can fight and win. "Starting to look" at telecommunications maybe can happen another day. (Although of course it won't)
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Posted by: mac at December 04, 2020 03:54 PM (l+sZy)
No reason not to do both. Trump fights the battles he can fight and win. "Starting to look" at telecommunications maybe can happen another day. (Although of course it won't)
Posted by: President Elect LASue at December 04, 2020 04:06 PM (Ed8Zd)
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The word "fraud" STILL does not appear anywhere in Loeffler's Twitter feed.
Wonder if that has anything to do with her personal connection with China-owned traitor Kemp , the governor who appointed her carpetbagging ass instead of Doug Collins as the President requested?
Nah.
Wonder if that has anything to do with her personal connection with China-owned traitor Kemp , the governor who appointed her carpetbagging ass instead of Doug Collins as the President requested?
Nah.
Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at December 04, 2020 04:06 PM (Y8GVo)
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One of the things that Trump needed to do more of over the last 4 years was probably strong moves like this. There were at least 3 shitburger bills the swamp foisted on him, at the last minute, in a panic, without having been read...that Trump should've veto'ed.
Wow, fuck the GOP, eh?
Posted by: President Elect RedCheckmark at December 04, 2020 04:02 PM (hpcyB)
We had a full on government "shutdown," and the Bloomberg types started warning about FAA disasters. If Trump didn't back down I believe the Dems would have absolutely arranged some mid air collisions, or near misses. It would be nice if Trump could use such disasters to permanently take shutdown power away from Congress, but that's not his style.
Anyways, Trump's plan to be a stable alternative worked. He only "lost" the election due to Turd World levels of fraud. Eyes on the prize here.
Wow, fuck the GOP, eh?
Posted by: President Elect RedCheckmark at December 04, 2020 04:02 PM (hpcyB)
We had a full on government "shutdown," and the Bloomberg types started warning about FAA disasters. If Trump didn't back down I believe the Dems would have absolutely arranged some mid air collisions, or near misses. It would be nice if Trump could use such disasters to permanently take shutdown power away from Congress, but that's not his style.
Anyways, Trump's plan to be a stable alternative worked. He only "lost" the election due to Turd World levels of fraud. Eyes on the prize here.
Posted by: trev006 at December 04, 2020 04:06 PM (WSKfa)
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It's worth noting an argument can
be made AoS doesn't have 230 protection simply on the grounds that we do
have moderation.
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So the Barrel is moderation?
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 04, 2020 04:05 PM (ilw10)
There are rules, like if you accidentally post on an old thread your IP or email or both is banned forever
It's worth noting an argument can
be made AoS doesn't have 230 protection simply on the grounds that we do
have moderation.
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So the Barrel is moderation?
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 04, 2020 04:05 PM (ilw10)
There are rules, like if you accidentally post on an old thread your IP or email or both is banned forever
Posted by: Radio Control Ready For Action at December 04, 2020 04:06 PM (Eg9+v)
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Ace, I've read that if Sec 230 is repealed, it means the end of comment sections like this one as well as new rules for Twitter/FB et al. Your thoughts? Thanks in advance. :-)
ATC, who knows some stuff about the law, has said flat-out that this site would go away without 230.
ATC, who knows some stuff about the law, has said flat-out that this site would go away without 230.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 04, 2020 04:06 PM (ZGrMX)
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this is an issue that Tulsi Gabbard is full on with Trump, the Section 230 thing. right? Is she the only democrat to achieve sentience?
Posted by: President Elect RedCheckmark at December 04, 2020 04:07 PM (hpcyB)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 04, 2020 04:07 PM (r+sAi)
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16 Priorities....
Senator Kelly Loeffler
@SenatorLoeffler
Dec 3
Proud to announce my Prosperity Plan -- a comprehensive framework tailored to propel minority communities to new heights of success through:
Economic Prosperity and Access to Capital
Family Prosperity and Opportunity
Community Prosperity and Safety
Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at December 04, 2020 04:02 PM (Y8GVo)
Funny that.
You used to be called names for calling out the plan to discriminate and eventually exterminate white people.
I call this truth.
Senator Kelly Loeffler
@SenatorLoeffler
Dec 3
Proud to announce my Prosperity Plan -- a comprehensive framework tailored to propel minority communities to new heights of success through:
Economic Prosperity and Access to Capital
Family Prosperity and Opportunity
Community Prosperity and Safety
Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at December 04, 2020 04:02 PM (Y8GVo)
Funny that.
You used to be called names for calling out the plan to discriminate and eventually exterminate white people.
I call this truth.
Posted by: bat nationalist at December 04, 2020 04:07 PM (R1LMN)
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Each door has a light over it, I guess to show if the side is full or not.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 04, 2020 03:51 PM
Covid confessional?
Each door has a light over it, I guess to show if the side is full or not.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 04, 2020 03:51 PM
Covid confessional?
Posted by: AltonJackson at December 04, 2020 04:07 PM (DUIap)
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MSNBC and CNN do not have section 230 protection and they smear people all the time.
Posted by: blaster at December 04, 2020 04:03 PM (X+q7f)
But they can retract. They only do what, maybe 50 stories a day, tops? They're on top of everything they do, and everything they do, no matter how twisted passes through a writing staff and an editor.
Now, twatter? Millions of tweets from millions of users (human, bots and otherwise) every day. The logistics are staggering.
To suddenly have to go in, and start to sift through a decade of tweets to find something somebody could sue them over is beyond staggering.
And, they can't train the monkeys in Hyderabad to know what to look for in 70 languages.
To be called a publisher would literally kill twatter and FB - and possibly YT in a single blow.
Posted by: blaster at December 04, 2020 04:03 PM (X+q7f)
But they can retract. They only do what, maybe 50 stories a day, tops? They're on top of everything they do, and everything they do, no matter how twisted passes through a writing staff and an editor.
Now, twatter? Millions of tweets from millions of users (human, bots and otherwise) every day. The logistics are staggering.
To suddenly have to go in, and start to sift through a decade of tweets to find something somebody could sue them over is beyond staggering.
And, they can't train the monkeys in Hyderabad to know what to look for in 70 languages.
To be called a publisher would literally kill twatter and FB - and possibly YT in a single blow.
Posted by: clutch cargo Now 100% Lubricant Free at December 04, 2020 04:07 PM (L8ADy)
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There are rules, like if you accidentally post on an old thread your IP or email or both is banned forever
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Yeah, I know, its why I can't comment on the Book Thread from home.
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Yeah, I know, its why I can't comment on the Book Thread from home.
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 04, 2020 04:07 PM (ilw10)
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Can somebody please explain to me why every time I publish my paragraphs get smashed together?
Posted by: squid_hunt
You did not purchase the "Girthy" option when you brought your membership plan.
Can somebody please explain to me why every time I publish my paragraphs get smashed together?
Posted by: squid_hunt
You did not purchase the "Girthy" option when you brought your membership plan.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at December 04, 2020 04:07 PM (pNxlR)
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ace is liable under 230 because he's a content creator. He's not an ISP or bulletin board.
Posted by: President Elect RedCheckmark at December 04, 2020 04:07 PM (hpcyB)
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If anything, the most advanced AI work is reserved for automatic sock puppet bots. It costs too damn much to waste on censorship.
Posted by: there are only three star wars films at December 04, 2020 04:07 PM (EEVQU)
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Trump should just deploy the Pocket Veto. No veto? Then there is no vote to override one. Let it die on the vine until next Congress.
Posted by: Galactus' Stiffened Cock at December 04, 2020 04:07 PM (oOl0H)
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"The case is out there in the open, we just need the will to primary the bastards. Actually, somebody suggested primarying them across the board and the good ones will survive."
Posted by: President Elect Decaf at December 04, 2020 03:14 PM (hpVf/)
Except for ELECTION FRAUD. The outsiders will never get in and the corporate whores will remain and stick their tongues out at you.
Posted by: President Elect Decaf at December 04, 2020 03:14 PM (hpVf/)
Except for ELECTION FRAUD. The outsiders will never get in and the corporate whores will remain and stick their tongues out at you.
Posted by: Deplorably Bonnie Blue says TRUMP WON at December 04, 2020 04:08 PM (BNMel)
Posted by: preznit select vmom at December 04, 2020 04:08 PM (nUhF0)
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IIRC, the Senate didn't actually *vote* on the H1b bill.
AIUI, it was passed by "unanimous consent" in that none of the swine publicly objected to it, thinking that would keep their hands clean.
AIUI, it was passed by "unanimous consent" in that none of the swine publicly objected to it, thinking that would keep their hands clean.
Posted by: redc1c4, Trump Won! at December 04, 2020 04:09 PM (X/O1y)
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Well, the only way to end this is to nuke China. Tech Titans may be impressed by us killing the chicken to scare the monkies.
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 04, 2020 04:09 PM (ilw10)
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Mike Lee Press Release
Senate Passes Bill Fighting Immigration Discrimination and Protecting American Workers
See, we give your jobs to Indians, and then the companies exploit the shit out of them. See how that protects American workers? No? Wait, did you donate to me? Then why the f*ck am I talking to you.
Posted by: motionview at December 04, 2020 04:00 PM (pYQR/)
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Utah others owe the rest of America a big apology, neither of their senators is pro-America.
Senate Passes Bill Fighting Immigration Discrimination and Protecting American Workers
See, we give your jobs to Indians, and then the companies exploit the shit out of them. See how that protects American workers? No? Wait, did you donate to me? Then why the f*ck am I talking to you.
Posted by: motionview at December 04, 2020 04:00 PM (pYQR/)
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Utah others owe the rest of America a big apology, neither of their senators is pro-America.
Posted by: President Elect Decaf at December 04, 2020 04:10 PM (hpVf/)
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I swear , I only saw this 2 seconds ago ! It's like Lin and I are on the exact same wavelength.
Lin Wood@LLinWood
·
9m
Doug Collins @RepDougCollins
won over 50% and @KLoeffler lost. She and her husband are in over their heads in Communist China money. That is why she does not demand GA legislature be ordered into special session.
Wake up, GA and America! We must #FightBack against the Communist Wave.
Lin Wood@LLinWood
·
9m
Doug Collins @RepDougCollins
won over 50% and @KLoeffler lost. She and her husband are in over their heads in Communist China money. That is why she does not demand GA legislature be ordered into special session.
Wake up, GA and America! We must #FightBack against the Communist Wave.
Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at December 04, 2020 04:10 PM (Y8GVo)
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ace is liable under 230 because he's a content creator. He's not an ISP or bulletin board.
Posted by: President Elect RedCheckmark at December 04, 2020 04:07 PM (hpcyB)
The Federalist abolished comments because of Big Tech pressure. It's why I don't go there much anymore. Ace would be safer because he doesn't use Disqus or Facebook. But as Infowars will tell you, if they want you dead it will happen. No matter how big or small you are.
Personally, I use SocialGalactic. It's hardened against this kind of American interference.
Posted by: President Elect RedCheckmark at December 04, 2020 04:07 PM (hpcyB)
The Federalist abolished comments because of Big Tech pressure. It's why I don't go there much anymore. Ace would be safer because he doesn't use Disqus or Facebook. But as Infowars will tell you, if they want you dead it will happen. No matter how big or small you are.
Personally, I use SocialGalactic. It's hardened against this kind of American interference.
Posted by: trev006 at December 04, 2020 04:10 PM (WSKfa)
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Funny that.
You used to be called names for calling out the plan to discriminate and eventually exterminate white people.
I call this truth.
Posted by: bat nationalist at December 04, 2020 04:07 PM (R1LMN)
So old Kelly wants minorities to prosper by letting in more H1-Bs rather than training them via school choice or community college nursing and allied health programs? Kelly is asshoe
You used to be called names for calling out the plan to discriminate and eventually exterminate white people.
I call this truth.
Posted by: bat nationalist at December 04, 2020 04:07 PM (R1LMN)
So old Kelly wants minorities to prosper by letting in more H1-Bs rather than training them via school choice or community college nursing and allied health programs? Kelly is asshoe
Posted by: DOJ is fat and incapable at December 04, 2020 04:11 PM (ONvIw)
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ATC, who knows some stuff about the law, has said flat-out that this site would go away without 230.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 04, 2020 04:06 PM (ZGrMX)
Yep, that's why I don't get this. Amend 230 (it needs it). The internet didn't exist in 1996, save for compuserve, geocities, AOL (you've got mail!) and the browser, Netscape. 56k modems anybody? That's if you were a techy.
To simply enforce these clowns as being publishers is all it would take to do a damaging if not fatal blow. I'm sure Trump has got to have somebody telling him this.
We've already seen video of Zuckenberg salivating over the possibility of removing 230. This would be most damaging to the small guys.
So no idea what this is about.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 04, 2020 04:06 PM (ZGrMX)
Yep, that's why I don't get this. Amend 230 (it needs it). The internet didn't exist in 1996, save for compuserve, geocities, AOL (you've got mail!) and the browser, Netscape. 56k modems anybody? That's if you were a techy.
To simply enforce these clowns as being publishers is all it would take to do a damaging if not fatal blow. I'm sure Trump has got to have somebody telling him this.
We've already seen video of Zuckenberg salivating over the possibility of removing 230. This would be most damaging to the small guys.
So no idea what this is about.
Posted by: clutch cargo Now 100% Lubricant Free at December 04, 2020 04:11 PM (L8ADy)
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357 Well, the only way to end this is to nuke China. Tech Titans may be impressed by us killing the chicken to scare the monkies.
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 04, 2020 04:09 PM (ilw10)
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This seems like a reasonable, well thought-out response to the outright war they have been waging against us and freedom loving peoples all over the world.
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 04, 2020 04:09 PM (ilw10)
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This seems like a reasonable, well thought-out response to the outright war they have been waging against us and freedom loving peoples all over the world.
Posted by: Bonecrusher at December 04, 2020 04:11 PM (JNTt1)
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There are a lot of people who are not leftists who argue that getting rid of 230 makes it easier for the tech overlords to censure. I have no idea, but that is out there.
I'm not smart or anything, but why not just 'enforce 230 as written'? Wouldn't that still hurt the tech oligarchs?
I'm not smart or anything, but why not just 'enforce 230 as written'? Wouldn't that still hurt the tech oligarchs?
Posted by: DJ3Way at December 04, 2020 04:11 PM (bhPL1)
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Covid confessional?
Posted by: AltonJackson at December 04, 2020 04:07 PM (DUIap)
That is exactly what it looks like but is a little bigger and in CVS colors of white and red.
The fat fella who was working on it didn't want to talk so I just eyeballed it for a few minutes and left.
Posted by: AltonJackson at December 04, 2020 04:07 PM (DUIap)
That is exactly what it looks like but is a little bigger and in CVS colors of white and red.
The fat fella who was working on it didn't want to talk so I just eyeballed it for a few minutes and left.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 04, 2020 04:12 PM (R/m4+)
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Fuck China with a rusty roll of barbed wire. China is asshoe
Posted by: Bonecrusher at December 04, 2020 04:12 PM (JNTt1)
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"To be called a publisher would literally kill twatter and FB - and possibly YT in a single blow."
Posted by: clutch cargo Now 100% Lubricant Free at December 04, 2020 04:07 PM (L8ADy)
And that us a feature, not a bug. It would be awesome, actually.
Posted by: clutch cargo Now 100% Lubricant Free at December 04, 2020 04:07 PM (L8ADy)
And that us a feature, not a bug. It would be awesome, actually.
Posted by: Deplorably Bonnie Blue says TRUMP WON at December 04, 2020 04:12 PM (BNMel)
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363 357 Well, the only way to end this is to nuke China. Tech Titans may be impressed by us killing the chicken to scare the monkies.
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 04, 2020 04:09 PM (ilw10)
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This seems like a reasonable, well thought-out response to the outright war they have been waging against us and freedom loving peoples all over the world.
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Well I think we have a quorum. Let's light this candle.
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 04, 2020 04:09 PM (ilw10)
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This seems like a reasonable, well thought-out response to the outright war they have been waging against us and freedom loving peoples all over the world.
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Well I think we have a quorum. Let's light this candle.
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 04, 2020 04:13 PM (ilw10)
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364 There are a lot of people who are not leftists who argue that getting rid of 230 makes it easier for the tech overlords to censure. I have no idea, but that is out there.
I'm not smart or anything, but why not just 'enforce 230 as written'? Wouldn't that still hurt the tech oligarchs?
Posted by: DJ3Way at December 04, 2020 04:11 PM (bhPL1)
Yes. Practically speaking I don't think that's going to happen. Without 230 it becomes a lot easier to sue them (us as well but we might not actually be protected by a 230 as written either).
I'm not smart or anything, but why not just 'enforce 230 as written'? Wouldn't that still hurt the tech oligarchs?
Posted by: DJ3Way at December 04, 2020 04:11 PM (bhPL1)
Yes. Practically speaking I don't think that's going to happen. Without 230 it becomes a lot easier to sue them (us as well but we might not actually be protected by a 230 as written either).
Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at December 04, 2020 04:13 PM (Zm+LZ)
Posted by: President Elect Decaf at December 04, 2020 04:13 PM (hpVf/)
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btw I think Trump knows repealing Section 230 is not a perfect solution but
Big Tech is the enemy
repealing it would hurt them badly, possibly fatally
worth it
Big Tech is the enemy
repealing it would hurt them badly, possibly fatally
worth it
Posted by: preznit select vmom at December 04, 2020 04:13 PM (nUhF0)
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Other than the Whig Party, none of them have had any more than a negligible long-term influence. Perot's Reform party was responsible for getting Bill Clinton elected.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at December 04, 2020 04:00 PM
And what a loss THAT was. All the extremely conservative gains from HW Bush's first term, and all the even more conservative gains lined up for his second term, gone. Thank goodness we were blessed with 2 terms of his son, who gave us all sorts of extremely conservative agenda up the ass.
Other than the Whig Party, none of them have had any more than a negligible long-term influence. Perot's Reform party was responsible for getting Bill Clinton elected.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at December 04, 2020 04:00 PM
And what a loss THAT was. All the extremely conservative gains from HW Bush's first term, and all the even more conservative gains lined up for his second term, gone. Thank goodness we were blessed with 2 terms of his son, who gave us all sorts of extremely conservative agenda up the ass.
Posted by: Grimmy at December 04, 2020 04:13 PM (lOtJl)
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Biden raised record sums from the corporate elite, notably the tech oligarchs and their Wall Street allies. Among financial firms, communications companies and lawyers, Biden outraised Trump by 5-to-1 or more.
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I'll say it again:
F*ck billionaires. I'm completely on board with taxing y'all at 99%
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I'll say it again:
F*ck billionaires. I'm completely on board with taxing y'all at 99%
Posted by: Moron Robbie - buy ammo, buy history books, and embrace Irish democracy at December 04, 2020 04:13 PM (ia0+L)
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So how do you declare FB and Twit publishers? Just EO it?
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 04, 2020 04:13 PM (r+sAi)
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368 363 357 Well, the only way to end this is to nuke China. Tech Titans may be impressed by us killing the chicken to scare the monkies.
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 04, 2020 04:09 PM (ilw10)
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This seems like a reasonable, well thought-out response to the outright war they have been waging against us and freedom loving peoples all over the world.
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Well I think we have a quorum. Let's light this candle.
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 04, 2020 04:13 PM (ilw10)
Passed by unanimous consent you might say. The ol' voice vote.
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 04, 2020 04:09 PM (ilw10)
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This seems like a reasonable, well thought-out response to the outright war they have been waging against us and freedom loving peoples all over the world.
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Well I think we have a quorum. Let's light this candle.
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 04, 2020 04:13 PM (ilw10)
Passed by unanimous consent you might say. The ol' voice vote.
Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at December 04, 2020 04:13 PM (Zm+LZ)
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Is there not another Spending bill that a Section 230 repeal can be attached to? Why the Defense Bill?
Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks, Look at me at December 04, 2020 04:14 PM (m/vQu)
Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at December 04, 2020 04:14 PM (Y8GVo)
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our taxpayer dollars, buying up Aussie property and slamming down the communist control
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 04, 2020 03:15 PM (sfhL4)
In the olden times, when we had a spine, the land would have been seized for public use as a gunnery range.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 04, 2020 03:15 PM (sfhL4)
In the olden times, when we had a spine, the land would have been seized for public use as a gunnery range.
Posted by: WOPR - Tactically Dramatic is Failue at December 04, 2020 04:14 PM (J70i0)
Posted by: preznit select vmom at December 04, 2020 04:15 PM (nUhF0)
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I see the GOP concern trolls are out in full force. Onward to selling our birthright, a little cash, and general failure!!!
Posted by: WOPR - Tactically Dramatic is Failue at December 04, 2020 04:15 PM (J70i0)
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379 we need to learn to think more like Trump
focus on the winning
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Nuking China will kill the Rona. Wine Moms will go reeeee!
focus on the winning
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Nuking China will kill the Rona. Wine Moms will go reeeee!
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 04, 2020 04:16 PM (ilw10)
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376 Is there not another Spending bill that a Section 230 repeal can be attached to? Why the Defense Bill?
Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks, Look at me at December 04, 2020 04:14 PM (m/vQu)
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Because that's how you play hardball.
Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks, Look at me at December 04, 2020 04:14 PM (m/vQu)
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Because that's how you play hardball.
Posted by: Asshoes at December 04, 2020 04:16 PM (22mNy)
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Never been overly a Pence guy but do think he has been a good VP,did a excellent job on the Covid-19 team
Posted by: Skip at December 04, 2020 04:17 PM (9sWOw)
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363 357 Well, the only way to end this is to nuke China.
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Save the nuke. 1 500 pounder on that kink in the 3 gorges dam oughta do it.
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Save the nuke. 1 500 pounder on that kink in the 3 gorges dam oughta do it.
Posted by: Ward at December 04, 2020 04:17 PM (nzKWW)
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Trump is using the troops as a pawn to get the 230 repeal. If the defense bill doesn't pass, the troops won't get paid. Using my paycheck as leverage.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at December 04, 2020 04:17 PM (ZVUa9)
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379 we need to learn to think more like Trump
focus on the winning
Posted by: preznit select vmom at December 04, 2020 04:15 PM (nUhF0)
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WHOA!! WHOA!! WHOA!! Slow down there sport. Winning means governing. That's a lot of work. We'd much more prefer losing and fundraising with a promise to win next time.
- GOP
focus on the winning
Posted by: preznit select vmom at December 04, 2020 04:15 PM (nUhF0)
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WHOA!! WHOA!! WHOA!! Slow down there sport. Winning means governing. That's a lot of work. We'd much more prefer losing and fundraising with a promise to win next time.
- GOP
Posted by: Asshoes at December 04, 2020 04:17 PM (22mNy)
387
I think we need to move the Troops to Atlanta, Milwaukee, Detroit and Philly.
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 04, 2020 04:18 PM (ilw10)
388
So amend the 230 to not apply to websites/companies that make over a 30 million dollars a year or have x percentage of internet traffic or some other metric.
Posted by: irright at December 04, 2020 04:18 PM (SchQD)
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Wealth tax. Absolutely.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at December 04, 2020 04:18 PM (ZVUa9)
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363 357 Well, the only way to end this is to nuke China. Tech Titans may
be impressed by us killing the chicken to scare the monkies.
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 04, 2020 04:09 PM (ilw10)
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This seems like a reasonable, well thought-out response to the
outright war they have been waging against us and freedom loving peoples
all over the world.
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Well I think we have a quorum. Let's light this candle.
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 04, 2020 04:13 PM (ilw10)
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too messy: find a way to catastrophically rupture the 3 Gorges dam...
that'll keep'em busy for a few years, easily.
363 357 Well, the only way to end this is to nuke China. Tech Titans may
be impressed by us killing the chicken to scare the monkies.
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 04, 2020 04:09 PM (ilw10)
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This seems like a reasonable, well thought-out response to the
outright war they have been waging against us and freedom loving peoples
all over the world.
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Well I think we have a quorum. Let's light this candle.
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 04, 2020 04:13 PM (ilw10)
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too messy: find a way to catastrophically rupture the 3 Gorges dam...
that'll keep'em busy for a few years, easily.
Posted by: redc1c4, Trump Won! at December 04, 2020 04:19 PM (X/O1y)
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"Proud to announce my Prosperity Plan"
That lamebrain ditz needs to show us her tits if she aint got nothing else.
That lamebrain ditz needs to show us her tits if she aint got nothing else.
Posted by: f'd at December 04, 2020 04:19 PM (Tnijr)
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278 IIRC, Ace has at times mentioned that the opposition tries to get advertisers to blacklist his site. Then he goes out of business. There goes the blog.
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Posted by: pmurT at December 04, 2020 04:19 PM (ojwvu)
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>>>Trump Threatens to Veto Defense Spending Bill
I used to be in the LIB fan club. With the election fraud, I've definitely changed to the MIB fan club. The sooner we force their hand the better.
So hell yeah. Veto that, and anything else this country *needs* because this country also needs free and open forums that respect freedom of speech, and free and fair elections to exist as a free republic.
Make those social leeches come on record defending 1984. Draw the lines you know they can't stand. Every step closer to an outright schism of the American people into effectively two political bodies is now in our best interest.
I used to be in the LIB fan club. With the election fraud, I've definitely changed to the MIB fan club. The sooner we force their hand the better.
So hell yeah. Veto that, and anything else this country *needs* because this country also needs free and open forums that respect freedom of speech, and free and fair elections to exist as a free republic.
Make those social leeches come on record defending 1984. Draw the lines you know they can't stand. Every step closer to an outright schism of the American people into effectively two political bodies is now in our best interest.
Posted by: mikethemoose at December 04, 2020 04:19 PM (Y6UV7)
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385 Trump is using the troops as a pawn to get the 230 repeal. If the defense bill doesn't pass, the troops won't get paid. Using my paycheck as leverage.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at December 04, 2020 04:17 PM (ZVUa9)
A couple of paychecks (which really won't happen) is small sacrifice to save the nation.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at December 04, 2020 04:17 PM (ZVUa9)
A couple of paychecks (which really won't happen) is small sacrifice to save the nation.
Posted by: Braenyard at December 04, 2020 04:20 PM (CZm2G)
395
too messy: find a way to catastrophically rupture the 3 Gorges dam...that'll keep'em busy for a few years, easily.
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Busy Chinamen are the problem. We need the Green Nuke Deal for China and the Planet.
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Busy Chinamen are the problem. We need the Green Nuke Deal for China and the Planet.
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 04, 2020 04:20 PM (ilw10)
396
Yes. Practically speaking I don't think that's going to happen. Without 230 it becomes a lot easier to sue them (us as well but we might not actually be protected by a 230 as written either).
Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at December 04, 2020 04:13 PM (Zm+LZ)
If they were going to enforce it, it would have happened. But that money, it smells so sweet. All of DC is in their pockets. We've seen the pathetic Kabuki when they trot these vermin out and pretend to read them the riot act while simultaneously shoving their tongues up their assholes.
If this is some more 5D chess, I don't see the endgame. Enforce 230, make them publishers - then amend it at some point for all the shades of gray. Striking a blow to goolag/twatter/fb would also be striking a blow FOR alt tech, who has suffered at the hands of these scum.
One thing that 230 doesn't cover is just how much power the banks wield. Congress had never figured commerce as it is right now. We've seen PayPal, Citi, Cap One, MasterCard, Visa - as well as group funding sites tell alt tech and individuals to GFO, and that effectively stops them from being a business. They need to have laws written especially for them.
That's where Styx's Internet Bill of Rights does make some sense. Perhaps a combination of things. But, it's the fucking 21st century, and we're looking at a quarter century old piece of legislation that didn't foresee any of this.
Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at December 04, 2020 04:13 PM (Zm+LZ)
If they were going to enforce it, it would have happened. But that money, it smells so sweet. All of DC is in their pockets. We've seen the pathetic Kabuki when they trot these vermin out and pretend to read them the riot act while simultaneously shoving their tongues up their assholes.
If this is some more 5D chess, I don't see the endgame. Enforce 230, make them publishers - then amend it at some point for all the shades of gray. Striking a blow to goolag/twatter/fb would also be striking a blow FOR alt tech, who has suffered at the hands of these scum.
One thing that 230 doesn't cover is just how much power the banks wield. Congress had never figured commerce as it is right now. We've seen PayPal, Citi, Cap One, MasterCard, Visa - as well as group funding sites tell alt tech and individuals to GFO, and that effectively stops them from being a business. They need to have laws written especially for them.
That's where Styx's Internet Bill of Rights does make some sense. Perhaps a combination of things. But, it's the fucking 21st century, and we're looking at a quarter century old piece of legislation that didn't foresee any of this.
Posted by: clutch cargo Now 100% Lubricant Free at December 04, 2020 04:20 PM (L8ADy)
397
Save the nuke. 1 500 pounder on that kink in the 3 gorges dam oughta do it.
Posted by: Ward at December 04, 2020 04:17 PM (nzKWW)
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Miller! That useless git!
Save the nuke. 1 500 pounder on that kink in the 3 gorges dam oughta do it.
Posted by: Ward at December 04, 2020 04:17 PM (nzKWW)
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Miller! That useless git!
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 04, 2020 04:20 PM (mht8P)
398
I've made the mistake of defending big business my entire life because freedom, while they've been spending that time sending jobs to China and censoring Americans who disagree with them politically.
Tax them as much as possible. Give them all the tax penalties if you can.
Tax them as much as possible. Give them all the tax penalties if you can.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - buy ammo, buy history books, and embrace Irish democracy at December 04, 2020 04:21 PM (ia0+L)
399
I'd say that Bill Clinton was getting elected anyway. I don't think Perot pulled away nearly as many GOP votes as are declared. Folks that voted Perot were not Reagan Democrats.
Posted by: Always Be Lurking at December 04, 2020 04:08 PM (uG4GC)
Hard to say. Voting for Poppy Bush was like trying to pick up a turd by the clean end. Lots of people gave up on him after his read my lips tax increase. And Slick was running as a "pragmatic" southern governor.
I never took Perot seriously like I did DJT. It's really guesswork as to who he impacted more.
Posted by: Always Be Lurking at December 04, 2020 04:08 PM (uG4GC)
Hard to say. Voting for Poppy Bush was like trying to pick up a turd by the clean end. Lots of people gave up on him after his read my lips tax increase. And Slick was running as a "pragmatic" southern governor.
I never took Perot seriously like I did DJT. It's really guesswork as to who he impacted more.
Posted by: Captain Hate at December 04, 2020 04:22 PM (y7DUB)
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A couple of paychecks (which really won't happen) is small sacrifice to save the nation.
In Constitution 2.0, full control of the Congressional payroll should be granted to the Executive Branch.
In Constitution 2.0, full control of the Congressional payroll should be granted to the Executive Branch.
Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at December 04, 2020 04:22 PM (Y8GVo)
401
Nood
Nood
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 04, 2020 04:23 PM (mht8P)
402
The best Biden ending is he becomes President and arrests Kamala and Sparky for Voter Fraud.
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 04, 2020 04:24 PM (ilw10)
403
Loefler must have asked Mr. Mika how to get out of the rally tomorrow if she's offing people in her office.
Posted by: Inogame - Trump Won at December 04, 2020 04:24 PM (+2xjH)
404
There are a lot of people who are not leftists who argue that getting rid of 230 makes it easier for the tech overlords to censure. I have no idea, but that is out there.
I dunno about any of y'all, but I've noticed that we are in a Without Rule of Law status Right Now.
It may be fun to masturbate to legal theory, but when pretty much every institution is corrupt or otherwise highly dysfunctional, its all rather moot.
I dunno about any of y'all, but I've noticed that we are in a Without Rule of Law status Right Now.
It may be fun to masturbate to legal theory, but when pretty much every institution is corrupt or otherwise highly dysfunctional, its all rather moot.
Posted by: President Elect 🐧 at December 04, 2020 04:25 PM (C+evo)
405
387 I think we need to move the Troops to Atlanta, Milwaukee, Detroit and Philly.
Posted by: Puddin Head
Didn't Trump recently make some change that allows certain special forces teams operate in the States? And weren't those teams of the Tech variety? I wonder....
Why would the President do that? I mean... Why would those teams need to work in country? Hmmm...
Posted by: Puddin Head
Didn't Trump recently make some change that allows certain special forces teams operate in the States? And weren't those teams of the Tech variety? I wonder....
Why would the President do that? I mean... Why would those teams need to work in country? Hmmm...
Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at December 04, 2020 04:25 PM (Vxu+H)
406
Hmmm just thought of the following. Not saying it would all be easy to do, but just a thought experiment:
- Pass a law that all opinion-oriented and search engine websites require sign-ins.
- Pass an amended Section 230 that only provides viewpoint protection to small sites, say those with under 3,000 subscribers. Anything bigger has to be considered a publisher.
Voila, Ace makes it so he has 2,999 subscribers forever and is therefore exempt from being lawfared to death. The big boys can't make money if they're forced to never have more than 3,000 subscribers.
I'm sure there's something wrong with this so tell me everyone. I'm just spitballing here. :-)
- Pass a law that all opinion-oriented and search engine websites require sign-ins.
- Pass an amended Section 230 that only provides viewpoint protection to small sites, say those with under 3,000 subscribers. Anything bigger has to be considered a publisher.
Voila, Ace makes it so he has 2,999 subscribers forever and is therefore exempt from being lawfared to death. The big boys can't make money if they're forced to never have more than 3,000 subscribers.
I'm sure there's something wrong with this so tell me everyone. I'm just spitballing here. :-)
Posted by: qdpsteve at December 04, 2020 04:26 PM (L2ZTs)
407
Save the nuke. 1 500 pounder on that kink in the 3 gorges dam oughta do it.
Posted by: Ward at December 04, 2020 04:17 PM (nzKWW)
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GMTA!
but make it two GBU-57's out of a B-2, just to be sure....
Posted by: Ward at December 04, 2020 04:17 PM (nzKWW)
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GMTA!
but make it two GBU-57's out of a B-2, just to be sure....
Posted by: redc1c4, Trump Won! at December 04, 2020 04:26 PM (X/O1y)
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>>>There are a lot of people who are not leftists who argue that getting rid of 230 makes it easier for the tech overlords to censure. I have no idea, but that is out there.
They censor now pretty much unabashedly I fail to see how it gets "easier".
On the flip side. If they want to claim to be a public forum of self published content, it would shift the burden of proof to them to prove that as an affirmative defense, instead of upon the plaintiff to prove to a preponderance they aren't based on section 230.
They censor now pretty much unabashedly I fail to see how it gets "easier".
On the flip side. If they want to claim to be a public forum of self published content, it would shift the burden of proof to them to prove that as an affirmative defense, instead of upon the plaintiff to prove to a preponderance they aren't based on section 230.
Posted by: mikethemoose at December 04, 2020 04:29 PM (Y6UV7)
409
I think Trump would be fine to enforce section 230 as written.
However, nothing is currently enforced unless against him or his supporters.
Therefore, not actually an option on the table.
However, nothing is currently enforced unless against him or his supporters.
Therefore, not actually an option on the table.
Posted by: Oldstoke at December 04, 2020 04:29 PM (sb+Cg)
410
Reward?
What reward?
Fake ballots?
What fake ballots?
Goldfish is gone, Milhouse?
What goldfish? You never had any goldfish, Milhouse.
THEN WHY DID I HAVE THE BOWL, BART?
WHY DID I HAVE THE BOWL?!?!
Reward?
What reward?
Fake ballots?
What fake ballots?
Goldfish is gone, Milhouse?
What goldfish? You never had any goldfish, Milhouse.
THEN WHY DID I HAVE THE BOWL, BART?
WHY DID I HAVE THE BOWL?!?!
Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at December 04, 2020 05:04 PM (6vHcr)
411
Trump isn't the president in a few weeks. Who gives a shit what he wants? He is a lame duck and he's a traitor, pretending the election wasn't valid, even if that lie gets a bunch of naive people ready for civil war.
Repealing section 230 is anti speech. It's also a great idea for Trump, who wants his own media empire and wants to avoid people criticizing him. he knows he would have a nice bubble that way.
It's always something selfish with Trump. I am so glad I voted for that old senile idiot, Biden. Biden won't be a good president, which just makes the insult to Trump much sweeter. It's too bad Biden was the best man, but frankly he was. Trump's a traitor.
Repealing section 230 is anti speech. It's also a great idea for Trump, who wants his own media empire and wants to avoid people criticizing him. he knows he would have a nice bubble that way.
It's always something selfish with Trump. I am so glad I voted for that old senile idiot, Biden. Biden won't be a good president, which just makes the insult to Trump much sweeter. It's too bad Biden was the best man, but frankly he was. Trump's a traitor.
Posted by: Dustino at December 04, 2020 05:15 PM (u3RLv)
412
"406 Hmmm just thought of the following. Not saying it would all be easy to do, but just a thought experiment:
- Pass a law that all opinion-oriented and search engine websites require sign-ins.
- Pass an amended Section 230 that only provides viewpoint protection to small sites, say those with under 3,000 subscribers. Anything bigger has to be considered a publisher.
Voila, Ace makes it so he has 2,999 subscribers forever and is therefore exempt from being lawfared to death. The big boys can't make money if they're forced to never have more than 3,000 subscribers.
I'm sure there's something wrong with this so tell me everyone. I'm just spitballing here. :-)
Posted by: qdpsteve at December 04, 2020 04:26 PM (L2ZTs)"
Free speech shouldn't be about protecting ideas you agree with and speakers you agree with.
Also, step one in passing a law is not getting your ass kicked in the election.
- Pass a law that all opinion-oriented and search engine websites require sign-ins.
- Pass an amended Section 230 that only provides viewpoint protection to small sites, say those with under 3,000 subscribers. Anything bigger has to be considered a publisher.
Voila, Ace makes it so he has 2,999 subscribers forever and is therefore exempt from being lawfared to death. The big boys can't make money if they're forced to never have more than 3,000 subscribers.
I'm sure there's something wrong with this so tell me everyone. I'm just spitballing here. :-)
Posted by: qdpsteve at December 04, 2020 04:26 PM (L2ZTs)"
Free speech shouldn't be about protecting ideas you agree with and speakers you agree with.
Also, step one in passing a law is not getting your ass kicked in the election.
Posted by: Dustino at December 04, 2020 05:19 PM (u3RLv)
413
impeach biden
Posted by: you gotta be shittin me pyle at December 04, 2020 05:41 PM (er/ld)
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Cyberpunk and Shadowrun predicted all of this, however those storylines required a black swan, the current fucksticks just slapped you in the face.
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