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The "Historic" Abraham Accords Are Exciting, But They Are Not Everything
As much as I want to believe that this is the beginning of the end of the Arab world's vituperative mania and hatred of Israel, The Abraham Accords are more of a shift of geopolitical connections and enemies, rather than a meaningful decrease in the global threats against Israel.
That does not diminish the significance of President Trump's astounding achievement. Hatred of Israel and demonization of Jews has been one of the cornerstones of Arab and Muslim foreign and domestic policies for generations, and the cold peace with Jordan and Egypt had more to do with immediate security needs and the realization that Israel's military and economic might was permanent. But countries that do not border Israel and have little to do with the intractable problem of the Palestinian Arabs were safe in their Israel HateTM. They could trot out "Our poor downtrodden Palestinian cousins" whenever a bit of distraction from their political or economic failures was needed. Bahrain and The United Arab Emirates had very little concern that they would wake up one morning to see Israeli tanks in their streets, so their motivation to sign a treaty normalizing relations is based on other things. And the question is: What are those things? Certainly Saudi Arabia's desire to have Israel part of its own strategy to confront, or at least blunt the Iranian threat is high on the list. KSA is pulling some of these strings, and Bahrain and UAE would not have done this without the approval of the Saudis. And oil prices certainly play a role; these countries can no longer rely on oceans of hard currency to prop up their welfare states. The entrepreneurial spirit of American frackers plus the full-throated support of President Trump for a rational domestic energy policy made sure of that. But the most important part of the agreements is who wasn't at the signing, but will be at the next one. This is a stabilizing trend in the Middle East, and while the mandarins in the beltway may scoff at its supposed lack of importance, the possibility of half of the Arab world moving from a state of war with Israel to a state of peace is an amazing and unexpected byproduct of the president's ability to make deals. He didn't solve the "Palestinian" problem, but he set the world on a course that may make the Palestinians simply irrelevant if they don't make peace with Israel...and they will never do that!Comments
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Low ordinal number!
Posted by: Guy Smiley at September 17, 2020 04:31 PM (jbF6h)
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Good point!
Posted by: Iris at September 17, 2020 04:31 PM (lSFe/)
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Oh, sure ...
Oh, sure ...
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at September 17, 2020 04:31 PM (pNxlR)
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first-ish
Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at September 17, 2020 04:31 PM (4a9Vv)
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slow damn computer.
Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at September 17, 2020 04:31 PM (4a9Vv)
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The Palestinians are thugs, and always have been.
The Palestinians are thugs, and always have been.
Posted by: Prime sistah at September 17, 2020 04:32 PM (tQL7r)
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not first
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, shouting Lawrence! into the desert at September 17, 2020 04:32 PM (UWqZJ)
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KSA is the major player and if they sign on, it will be something monumental.
Posted by: IC at September 17, 2020 04:32 PM (a0IVu)
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Trump should let Kerry go over this treaty. just to make sure it doesn't do anything Kerry wants.
Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at September 17, 2020 04:32 PM (4a9Vv)
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The Palestinians can rot into obscurity.
Posted by: IC at September 17, 2020 04:33 PM (a0IVu)
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If the Arab states cut off funding to the dysfunctional Palestinians, who knows? Maybe the Palis will sober up, clean themselves off, put on a coat and tie and try to find a job.
If the Arab states cut off funding to the dysfunctional Palestinians, who knows? Maybe the Palis will sober up, clean themselves off, put on a coat and tie and try to find a job.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 17, 2020 04:33 PM (mht8P)
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#10 Well said, IC.
Posted by: Prime sistah at September 17, 2020 04:34 PM (tQL7r)
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Meanwhile in a 50 state survey on knowledge of the Holocaust...
60% of New York Gen Z and Millenials have no idea 6 million Jews were murdered.
20% of that same age cohort in New York think the Jews caused the Holocaust.
58% could not name a single death camp.
https://preview.tinyurl.com/y6emnvkk
60% of New York Gen Z and Millenials have no idea 6 million Jews were murdered.
20% of that same age cohort in New York think the Jews caused the Holocaust.
58% could not name a single death camp.
https://preview.tinyurl.com/y6emnvkk
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 17, 2020 04:34 PM (ftIhd)
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Soon the Palestinians will be outside looking in.
No US support,
No Arab Support,
Just the feckless EU and Iran.
No US support,
No Arab Support,
Just the feckless EU and Iran.
Posted by: rd at September 17, 2020 04:34 PM (qnka9)
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Maybe we can ship the Palestinians to Turkey. They deserve each other anyway.
I don't think anyone, excepting maybe the Palis and the Turks, would mind this wrinkle.
I don't think anyone, excepting maybe the Palis and the Turks, would mind this wrinkle.
Posted by: Tonypete at September 17, 2020 04:34 PM (Rvt88)
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#11 Hadrian Snark, right?
#11 Hadrian Snark, right?
Posted by: Prime sistah at September 17, 2020 04:34 PM (tQL7r)
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Trump Tough Love is the best love.
Posted by: Czech Chick at September 17, 2020 04:35 PM (haWye)
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He didn't solve the "Palestinian" problem.
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He cant, nobody can. The problem IS the Palestinians.
He didn't solve the "Palestinian" problem.
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He cant, nobody can. The problem IS the Palestinians.
Posted by: fixerupper at September 17, 2020 04:35 PM (8XRCm)
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he set the world on a course that may make the Palestinians simply irrelevant if they don't make peace with Israel.
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I think that is the point. I believe that at least six more nations will sign on to recognition in the next several weeks, and it will make the 'palestinians' irrelevant.
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I think that is the point. I believe that at least six more nations will sign on to recognition in the next several weeks, and it will make the 'palestinians' irrelevant.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at September 17, 2020 04:35 PM (kA3Cp)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 17, 2020 04:35 PM (mht8P)
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13 Meanwhile in a 50 state survey on knowledge of the Holocaust...
60% of New York Gen Z and Millenials have no idea 6 million Jews were murdered.
20% of that same age cohort in New York think the Jews caused the Holocaust.
58% could not name a single death camp.
https://preview.tinyurl.com/y6emnvkk
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 17, 2020 04:34 PM (ftIhd)
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But they run the world!!!!
/s
13 Meanwhile in a 50 state survey on knowledge of the Holocaust...
60% of New York Gen Z and Millenials have no idea 6 million Jews were murdered.
20% of that same age cohort in New York think the Jews caused the Holocaust.
58% could not name a single death camp.
https://preview.tinyurl.com/y6emnvkk
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 17, 2020 04:34 PM (ftIhd)
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But they run the world!!!!
/s
Posted by: rd at September 17, 2020 04:36 PM (qnka9)
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"As much as I want to believe that this is the beginning of the end of the Arab world's vituperative mania and hatred of Israel, The Abraham Accords are more of a shift of geopolitical connections and enemies, rather than a meaningful decrease in the global threats against Israel."
I somewhat disagree. Political normalization makes it substantially more likely they will be treated as other countries in the region are should they ever be conquered(which tends to happen to nearly every country at some point). Meaning that they'd likely be ruled through some sort of puppet government and pop right back out whenever the empire in question collapses, as opposed to being sent on another long exile.
I somewhat disagree. Political normalization makes it substantially more likely they will be treated as other countries in the region are should they ever be conquered(which tends to happen to nearly every country at some point). Meaning that they'd likely be ruled through some sort of puppet government and pop right back out whenever the empire in question collapses, as opposed to being sent on another long exile.
Posted by: Someguy at September 17, 2020 04:36 PM (Zm+LZ)
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(censored)
Posted by: nip at September 17, 2020 04:36 PM (yoqcZ)
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The Palestinians are like addicts.
For decades countries have been supporting their addiction so there was no reason for self-reflection.
For decades countries have been supporting their addiction so there was no reason for self-reflection.
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 17, 2020 04:36 PM (ftIhd)
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Well, TBF, Barack Obama made this deal. After he put the Arabs' dick in the wringer like he did, even I could have brokered this deal. What choice did he leave them?
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 17, 2020 04:36 PM (jbllq)
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Say what you will about about Trump.
He creates his own paradigms.
"Oh.... the Pali's have had a veto on every issue in the middle east since 49 ???? Well, we'll just go around them then."
Say what you will about about Trump.
He creates his own paradigms.
"Oh.... the Pali's have had a veto on every issue in the middle east since 49 ???? Well, we'll just go around them then."
Posted by: fixerupper at September 17, 2020 04:37 PM (8XRCm)
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I understand what you're saying; I don't think that any piece of paper in the world can solve 1,000 years (or is it 2,000 years?) of naked anti-semitism (or just call it jew-hatred) in the world. Getting governments who have been paying for the attacks to stop doing that is about the best one could hope for.
Although having said that, I think we could demonstrate that Jew-hatred in the Arab World over the last 50 years has been much, much worse than it was say 150 years ago, and a big part of that is because so much effort has been put into pushing it by those doing it for their own ends. In one light, the Palestinians caused this, but it's also fair to say that they have been the biggest dupes and stooges in history. All of their suffering has been prolonged and deepened just to benefit other people's power plays.
Although having said that, I think we could demonstrate that Jew-hatred in the Arab World over the last 50 years has been much, much worse than it was say 150 years ago, and a big part of that is because so much effort has been put into pushing it by those doing it for their own ends. In one light, the Palestinians caused this, but it's also fair to say that they have been the biggest dupes and stooges in history. All of their suffering has been prolonged and deepened just to benefit other people's power plays.
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 17, 2020 04:37 PM (Kpl3J)
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Trump wrote off the Palestinians early in his presidency, when he had set up a nice deal with Israel with them and then they spurned it after presumably having told him they would accept in private. Since then, the US has cared nothing about the Palestinians as an actor in the Mideast, and even the press seems to be willing to shelve them.
Posted by: Oldcat at September 17, 2020 04:37 PM (eoQWY)
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>>He didn't solve the "Palestinian" problem, but he set the world on a course that may make the Palestinians simply irrelevant if they don't make peace with Israel...and they will never do that!
That is so huge, getting the Palestinians to take themselves out of it after decades of them dominating and destroying all attempts at peace.
This is funny because Kerry is so completely wrong:
https://tinyurl.com/yxjsm7ry
That is so huge, getting the Palestinians to take themselves out of it after decades of them dominating and destroying all attempts at peace.
This is funny because Kerry is so completely wrong:
https://tinyurl.com/yxjsm7ry
Posted by: Lizzy at September 17, 2020 04:37 PM (bDqIh)
Posted by: Prime sistah at September 17, 2020 04:38 PM (tQL7r)
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Whutz a joo?
Posted by: Gen Z and Millenials at September 17, 2020 04:38 PM (dJXdS)
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https://thediplomad.blogspot.com/
Good news on the middle East
Dip's opinion on it, interesting insite.
Good news on the middle East
Dip's opinion on it, interesting insite.
Posted by: Skip at September 17, 2020 04:38 PM (OjZpE)
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And what this does is also put other Muslim majority countries like Malaysia, Indonesia etc who do not have any diplomatic relationship with Israel in a quandary. If the big boys in the ME are having diplomatic and economic relationships with Israel - what are they holding out for?
Posted by: IC at September 17, 2020 04:38 PM (a0IVu)
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Whutz a joo?
Posted by: Gen Z and Millenials at September 17, 2020 04:38 PM (dJXdS)
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Gesundheit
Posted by: Gen Z and Millenials at September 17, 2020 04:38 PM (dJXdS)
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Gesundheit
Posted by: fixerupper at September 17, 2020 04:38 PM (8XRCm)
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I love how the Trump administration just said screw the Pali's and went around them to make these deals. Conventional wisdom said nothing change unless Israel made deal with Pali thugs first. Fuck C.W.
Posted by: SteveOReno, I proudly self-identify as a Moron at September 17, 2020 04:39 PM (I93kF)
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I'm glad it's publicly happening, it's a good thing. But as an American with American interests, the best thing about this is the consequences it has on Nov. It will help reelect Trump, and that is a good thing for America.
Posted by: Memories at September 17, 2020 04:39 PM (mwcEF)
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To repeat something I put up earlier, a joke heard in Saudi Arabia:
Q) What's the Difference between the Gulf Arabs and Israel's Likud Party, when it comes to the Palestinians?
A) The Gulf Arabs REALLY Hate the Palestinians!
Q) What's the Difference between the Gulf Arabs and Israel's Likud Party, when it comes to the Palestinians?
A) The Gulf Arabs REALLY Hate the Palestinians!
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 17, 2020 04:39 PM (Kpl3J)
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Obama's pro-Iran policies helped push this along, too. There's plenty of anti-Iran sentiment among the Arab nations and between them and Israel, Israel is a lot easier to live with.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at September 17, 2020 04:39 PM (oVJmc)
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In the mid-90's I had a discussion with an NCO during reserve training (I was a lieutenant). I argued that we should be energy self-sufficient. He argued, no man, we need to buy as much Arab oil as we can. Then, when it's gone, we'll have our oil and they'll have to figure out how to grow up. That was the gist of it. Long game.
Posted by: SFGoth at September 17, 2020 04:40 PM (KAi1n)
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Palestinians--now with more irrelevance!
Posted by: Dirks Strewn DA 1977 at September 17, 2020 04:41 PM (LBiyC)
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"Forward, brother Muslims!!... Hey, where is everyone?" - Palestinians.
"Forward, brother Muslims!!... Hey, where is everyone?" - Palestinians.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 17, 2020 04:41 PM (mht8P)
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make the Palestinians simply irrelevant
Posted by: CBD
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Already happening with these deals. The dreaded "separate peace."
make the Palestinians simply irrelevant
Posted by: CBD
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Already happening with these deals. The dreaded "separate peace."
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at September 17, 2020 04:41 PM (G51Gf)
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So Trump got them to agree not to start shooting at each other, at least today. And even make nice, kinda.
Like a similar situation with NKorea, which we were supposed to be at war with by now, at least that is what Obama passed to PDT, we are not.
I would call this a practical victory. Live for another day. Not perfect, but in the correct direction.
Momentum is a powerful tool.
So Trump got them to agree not to start shooting at each other, at least today. And even make nice, kinda.
Like a similar situation with NKorea, which we were supposed to be at war with by now, at least that is what Obama passed to PDT, we are not.
I would call this a practical victory. Live for another day. Not perfect, but in the correct direction.
Momentum is a powerful tool.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at September 17, 2020 04:41 PM (sy5kK)
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Very well said.
It's, at the least, the end of the beginning for achieving as much peace in the Middle East as can be had.
It's, at the least, the end of the beginning for achieving as much peace in the Middle East as can be had.
Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at September 17, 2020 04:41 PM (GbPPJ)
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He cant, nobody can. The problem IS the Palestinians.
yep, that is the core issue. Until they see they are the biggest cause of their own circumstance they are stuck where they are.
yep, that is the core issue. Until they see they are the biggest cause of their own circumstance they are stuck where they are.
Posted by: DanMan at September 17, 2020 04:41 PM (RusNE)
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Meh, the palestinians have always been irrelevant except insofar as they have been used as catspaws to attack Israel.
In Middle East society they are regarded as trailer trash at best, they were herded into refugee camps because no country wanted to allow them to settle there.
In Middle East society they are regarded as trailer trash at best, they were herded into refugee camps because no country wanted to allow them to settle there.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 at September 17, 2020 04:41 PM (O7eE8)
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Low Glycemic Souls at September 17, 2020 04:41 PM (Wm5SB)
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I'd say he *did* solve the Palestinian problem, by making them irrelevant. The most significant development out of all of this was the Arab League telling the PA and Hamas to go fuck themselves.
Posted by: Ian S. at September 17, 2020 04:41 PM (ZGrMX)
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Yay, nephilim thread!
Posted by: The Genesis 6:4 UFO Nephilim Guy at September 17, 2020 04:41 PM (1eJby)
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"Emirates Flight Catering Looking to Open Kosher Restaurants Throughout Gulf Region"
I'm thinking we've seen a sea change in the Middle East. Palestiniians better make a deal soo or no one will even care.
I'm thinking we've seen a sea change in the Middle East. Palestiniians better make a deal soo or no one will even care.
Posted by: Rocks at September 17, 2020 04:41 PM (RbxEP)
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13 Meanwhile in a 50 state survey on knowledge of the Holocaust...
60% of New York Gen Z and Millenials have no idea 6 million Jews were murdered.
20% of that same age cohort in New York think the Jews caused the Holocaust.
58% could not name a single death camp.
https://preview.tinyurl.com/y6emnvkk
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 17, 2020 04:34 PM (ftIhd)
and 70% could not find their own ass with both hands.
60% of New York Gen Z and Millenials have no idea 6 million Jews were murdered.
20% of that same age cohort in New York think the Jews caused the Holocaust.
58% could not name a single death camp.
https://preview.tinyurl.com/y6emnvkk
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 17, 2020 04:34 PM (ftIhd)
and 70% could not find their own ass with both hands.
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 17, 2020 04:41 PM (Kpl3J)
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The Palestinians are thugs, and always have been.
Posted by: Prime sistah
Damning with faint praise.
The Palestinians are thugs, and always have been.
Posted by: Prime sistah
Damning with faint praise.
Posted by: Munich at September 17, 2020 04:42 PM (LBiyC)
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because no country wanted to allow them to settle there.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365
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They always left the bathroom a mess.
because no country wanted to allow them to settle there.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365
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They always left the bathroom a mess.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 17, 2020 04:42 PM (mht8P)
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Fuxk the Palestinians, first of all.
Secondly, this is actually the result of Obama.
If Obama hadn't tried for Iranian hegemony over the entire region and if Obama had not hated Israel with the heat of a 1000 suns because he's a regular reverend Wright, Calypso Louie, then these countries would never have decided to get together and present a united front against Iran (a client state of China).
The muddy goat Fulkerson who call themselves Palestinians had their chance. They chose Satan.
Secondly, this is actually the result of Obama.
If Obama hadn't tried for Iranian hegemony over the entire region and if Obama had not hated Israel with the heat of a 1000 suns because he's a regular reverend Wright, Calypso Louie, then these countries would never have decided to get together and present a united front against Iran (a client state of China).
The muddy goat Fulkerson who call themselves Palestinians had their chance. They chose Satan.
Posted by: dagny, first of her name at September 17, 2020 04:42 PM (ySQBZ)
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The Squad's tricycle has one wheel that is rapidly becoming non-functional. Sux to be you, ladies!
The Squad's tricycle has one wheel that is rapidly becoming non-functional. Sux to be you, ladies!
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at September 17, 2020 04:42 PM (pNxlR)
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meh the palestinians used to be kind of the educated guys in their hood.
Posted by: not so at September 17, 2020 04:43 PM (vwLr1)
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For those that don't know this, the Palestinians are Jordanian citizens of the Husayni clan that Jordan doesn't want, because that clan assassinated the Jordanian king.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at September 17, 2020 04:43 PM (kA3Cp)
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The Arab League got tired of being stuck with Stupid
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 17, 2020 04:43 PM (ftIhd)
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Trump is a peace-mongering maniac!!!!
Posted by: vmom 2020 - The Translations of Marcus Aurelius at September 17, 2020 04:43 PM (nUhF0)
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There's nothing new under the sun since Genesis 6.
There's nothing new under the sun since Genesis 6.
Posted by: Prime sistah at September 17, 2020 04:44 PM (tQL7r)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 17, 2020 04:44 PM (mht8P)
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There is a reason the Jordanians decided it was easier to just cede the West Bank instead of making a fuss
Posted by: not so at September 17, 2020 04:44 PM (vwLr1)
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He didn't solve the "Palestinian" problem.
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He cant, nobody can. The problem IS the Palestinians.
Posted by: fixerupper at September 17, 2020 04:35 PM (8XRCm)
For some problems, the best solution is just to let it go away and slowly fade to nothing. Which is about to happen here.
no money, no military, no industry, no jobs, no friends in the world - I'd say it sucks to be them nowadays.
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He cant, nobody can. The problem IS the Palestinians.
Posted by: fixerupper at September 17, 2020 04:35 PM (8XRCm)
For some problems, the best solution is just to let it go away and slowly fade to nothing. Which is about to happen here.
no money, no military, no industry, no jobs, no friends in the world - I'd say it sucks to be them nowadays.
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 17, 2020 04:44 PM (Kpl3J)
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and 70% could not find their own ass with both hands.
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 17, 2020 04:41 PM (Kpl3J)
2+2=5, riots are mostly peaceful, and schools aren't really schools.
They are Useful Idiot Factories.
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 17, 2020 04:41 PM (Kpl3J)
2+2=5, riots are mostly peaceful, and schools aren't really schools.
They are Useful Idiot Factories.
Posted by: Oldstoke at September 17, 2020 04:45 PM (sb+Cg)
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T: You wanna make a deal? I'll make ya a good deal.
P: No
T: I'll make you a really good deal. Are you sure you don't wanna make a deal?
P: Yes, we are sure.
T: OK
Trump goes on to make other more historic deals.
Cold water on the deals? Bah
P: No
T: I'll make you a really good deal. Are you sure you don't wanna make a deal?
P: Yes, we are sure.
T: OK
Trump goes on to make other more historic deals.
Cold water on the deals? Bah
Posted by: Braenyard at September 17, 2020 04:45 PM (jy41H)
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Y'know, I'm coming around to the idea that the Arab and mohammedan world simply isn't as big a threat as we thought it was. Even the most murderous of them spend most of their time and effort in slaughtering their fellow mohammedans, rather than the infidel.
The LACK of a vigorous response to mohammedan terrorism would have been more dangerous to Western Civilization than the terrorism itself. Because a civilization which is unwilling to defend itself does not deserve to survive. The question is, when does vigorous defense flop over into NeoCon foreign adventurism?
I'm still pondering this, so there's probably a lot of shit I'm missing or just flat wrong about...
Y'know, I'm coming around to the idea that the Arab and mohammedan world simply isn't as big a threat as we thought it was. Even the most murderous of them spend most of their time and effort in slaughtering their fellow mohammedans, rather than the infidel.
The LACK of a vigorous response to mohammedan terrorism would have been more dangerous to Western Civilization than the terrorism itself. Because a civilization which is unwilling to defend itself does not deserve to survive. The question is, when does vigorous defense flop over into NeoCon foreign adventurism?
I'm still pondering this, so there's probably a lot of shit I'm missing or just flat wrong about...
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 17, 2020 04:45 PM (EGyGV)
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" They always left the bathroom a mess.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 17, 2020 04:42 PM (mht8P) "
It's the same story no matter where they go !
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 17, 2020 04:42 PM (mht8P) "
It's the same story no matter where they go !
Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 at September 17, 2020 04:45 PM (O7eE8)
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Unfortunately, there are only two ways of solving "The Palestinian Problem."
The first, extermination, is a non-starter, of course.
The second, having Jordan and Egypt finally muscle up and reclaim the "palestinians" as Jordanian and Egyptian citizens (which is what these people were in 1948 and 1967 before Israel kicked Arab ass in the two wars of those years.
Whomever was wise enough to have the Israelis and Arabs look all the way to Abraham to recognize their shared humanity to do the current deal, might also be smart enough to say:
"Look, the entire world knows what's been going on here for the last 75 years: Egyptian citizens living in the Egyptian Gaza and Jordanian citizens living in Judea and Samaria fell under Israeli rule because Egypt and Jordan lost several wars with Israel."
"Here is a $32Bn project to irrigate the deserts of Jordan and Egypt using Israeli technology, which will allow the hiring of any "palestinian" who is officially reinstated as a citizen of Jordan or Egypt. The project will commence once 3 million "palestinians" have had their Egyptian or Jordanian citizenship reinstated, and have been offered dwelling space within Jordan or Egypt as appropriate."
"Please choose wisely."
"Oops, almost forgot. You have to get rid of Hamas and Hezbullah and have free elections that all "palestinians" participate in for those areas."
Sure, the plan has problems, but it's got to be better than a 4th generation of inbred retarded goat-fucking simps living in "refugee camps" and doing nothing to improve their lot in life.
The first, extermination, is a non-starter, of course.
The second, having Jordan and Egypt finally muscle up and reclaim the "palestinians" as Jordanian and Egyptian citizens (which is what these people were in 1948 and 1967 before Israel kicked Arab ass in the two wars of those years.
Whomever was wise enough to have the Israelis and Arabs look all the way to Abraham to recognize their shared humanity to do the current deal, might also be smart enough to say:
"Look, the entire world knows what's been going on here for the last 75 years: Egyptian citizens living in the Egyptian Gaza and Jordanian citizens living in Judea and Samaria fell under Israeli rule because Egypt and Jordan lost several wars with Israel."
"Here is a $32Bn project to irrigate the deserts of Jordan and Egypt using Israeli technology, which will allow the hiring of any "palestinian" who is officially reinstated as a citizen of Jordan or Egypt. The project will commence once 3 million "palestinians" have had their Egyptian or Jordanian citizenship reinstated, and have been offered dwelling space within Jordan or Egypt as appropriate."
"Please choose wisely."
"Oops, almost forgot. You have to get rid of Hamas and Hezbullah and have free elections that all "palestinians" participate in for those areas."
Sure, the plan has problems, but it's got to be better than a 4th generation of inbred retarded goat-fucking simps living in "refugee camps" and doing nothing to improve their lot in life.
Posted by: Sharkman at September 17, 2020 04:45 PM (BM2fS)
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48
I'd say he *did* solve the Palestinian problem, by making them
irrelevant. The most significant development out of all of this was the
Arab League telling the PA and Hamas to go fuck themselves.
Posted by: Ian S. at September 17, 2020 04:41 PM (ZGrMX)
That and the implicit announcement that they had better things to do with their time than All Hate, All the Time.
I'd say he *did* solve the Palestinian problem, by making them
irrelevant. The most significant development out of all of this was the
Arab League telling the PA and Hamas to go fuck themselves.
Posted by: Ian S. at September 17, 2020 04:41 PM (ZGrMX)
That and the implicit announcement that they had better things to do with their time than All Hate, All the Time.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Fall Frenzies are In at The Outrage Outlet! at September 17, 2020 04:46 PM (mSgQG)
70
yep, that is the core issue. Until they see they are the biggest cause of their own circumstance they are stuck where they are.
Posted by: DanMan at September 17, 2020 04:41 PM (RusNE)
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Ayup.
"Your own autonomous state. UN representation. Israel tears down settlements. Trade agreements. IMF loans to get you started. Your own flag. Cessation of hostlities. Land for Peace.
Just renounce violence and recognize Israels right to exist."
FUCK YOU KAFFIRS!!!! NO!!!!
*shakes head
Posted by: DanMan at September 17, 2020 04:41 PM (RusNE)
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Ayup.
"Your own autonomous state. UN representation. Israel tears down settlements. Trade agreements. IMF loans to get you started. Your own flag. Cessation of hostlities. Land for Peace.
Just renounce violence and recognize Israels right to exist."
FUCK YOU KAFFIRS!!!! NO!!!!
*shakes head
Posted by: fixerupper at September 17, 2020 04:46 PM (8XRCm)
71
It's far from the end of the problems in the Middle East, but it's movement in the right direction, and may lead to more permanent solutions over time.
The economic cooperation and open military cooperation that will follow, to counter Iran's dreams of regional hegemony will be what has the greatest chance of bringing about a permanent change.
When their soldiers know that Israel had their backs, and when their merchants have made fortunes in Israeli markets, those selling antisemitism will find few buyers.
The economic cooperation and open military cooperation that will follow, to counter Iran's dreams of regional hegemony will be what has the greatest chance of bringing about a permanent change.
When their soldiers know that Israel had their backs, and when their merchants have made fortunes in Israeli markets, those selling antisemitism will find few buyers.
Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est, Post-Apocalyptic Scourge of the Seas at September 17, 2020 04:46 PM (iqGHD)
72
Every ME country is a Starbucks. Those signing on now are rescinding their "open and free restrooms" policy.
The region's dissolute and useless street trash, the Palestinians, have worn out their welcome and are being disenfranchised.
Every ME country is a Starbucks. Those signing on now are rescinding their "open and free restrooms" policy.
The region's dissolute and useless street trash, the Palestinians, have worn out their welcome and are being disenfranchised.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at September 17, 2020 04:46 PM (pNxlR)
73
FIRST!!!!!
Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at September 17, 2020 04:46 PM (Zz0t1)
74
We arent energy dependent on them anymore. They lost their biggest bargaining chip.
Posted by: dagny, first of her name at September 17, 2020 04:46 PM (ySQBZ)
75
It's funny to think Obama may have pissed off the Sunnis with his pallets of cash to the Shiites even more than he pissed off conservatives.
And we were good and angry.
And we were good and angry.
Posted by: TexasDan at September 17, 2020 04:46 PM (yL25O)
76
no money, no military, no industry, no jobs, no friends in the world - I'd say it sucks to be them nowadays.
Posted by: Tom Servo
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No reason Gaza can't have snazzy hotels and lots of tourism. But no, the Palis are too stupid, too corrupt and too violent to improve themselves.
no money, no military, no industry, no jobs, no friends in the world - I'd say it sucks to be them nowadays.
Posted by: Tom Servo
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No reason Gaza can't have snazzy hotels and lots of tourism. But no, the Palis are too stupid, too corrupt and too violent to improve themselves.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 17, 2020 04:47 PM (mht8P)
77
This could be the start of something big.
Posted by: Ethel Merman at September 17, 2020 04:47 PM (sWM8x)
78
>>> Meanwhile in a 50 state survey on knowledge of the Holocaust...
60% of New York Gen Z and Millenials have no idea 6 million Jews were murdered.
20% of that same age cohort in New York think the Jews caused the Holocaust.
58% could not name a single death camp.
https://preview.tinyurl.com/y6emnvkk
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 17, 2020 04:34 PM (ftIhd)
The teen in my life was supposed to study WW2 and the Holocaust last year, and all of that teaching got scuttled due to covid. But I mentioned Anne Frank, and he was like who is that?
So. Much. Sadness, that kids are just not learning this stuff anymore. I read The Diary of Anne Frank in elementary school! Why is he a teen and doesn't know who she is?
I got him her diary and Number the Stars to read over the summer, but I don't think he touched them, because it was too obvious I was trying to make him learn over the summer.
Any good ways to teach the holocaust to a teen without bashing him over the head with it? Will try my copy of Maus next, he loves comics and manga. I read that as a preteen so he should be fine.
60% of New York Gen Z and Millenials have no idea 6 million Jews were murdered.
20% of that same age cohort in New York think the Jews caused the Holocaust.
58% could not name a single death camp.
https://preview.tinyurl.com/y6emnvkk
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 17, 2020 04:34 PM (ftIhd)
The teen in my life was supposed to study WW2 and the Holocaust last year, and all of that teaching got scuttled due to covid. But I mentioned Anne Frank, and he was like who is that?
So. Much. Sadness, that kids are just not learning this stuff anymore. I read The Diary of Anne Frank in elementary school! Why is he a teen and doesn't know who she is?
I got him her diary and Number the Stars to read over the summer, but I don't think he touched them, because it was too obvious I was trying to make him learn over the summer.
Any good ways to teach the holocaust to a teen without bashing him over the head with it? Will try my copy of Maus next, he loves comics and manga. I read that as a preteen so he should be fine.
Posted by: LizLem at September 17, 2020 04:47 PM (Rbfr/)
79
The funny thing is that if they were smart they could set their territories up as offshore banking havens / hubs and be filthy rich, instead of just filthy.
Posted by: not so at September 17, 2020 04:47 PM (vwLr1)
80
The solution to the "palestinian" problem is largely extermination.
They've proven they can't function in a civilized society, so it's either another planet or the Orkin man.
They've proven they can't function in a civilized society, so it's either another planet or the Orkin man.
Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at September 17, 2020 04:47 PM (Zz0t1)
81
Never really cared about Arab/Israeli peace plans.
The Arabs will always be shitbirds, and the Israelis will turn on us when they don't need us.
Sorry but anything else is neocon bulldinky.
The Arabs will always be shitbirds, and the Israelis will turn on us when they don't need us.
Sorry but anything else is neocon bulldinky.
Posted by: Regular joe relentlessly upping the ante at September 17, 2020 04:48 PM (L9P9s)
82
no money, no military, no industry, no jobs, no friends in the world - I'd say it sucks to be them nowadays.
Posted by: Tom Servo
Sounds like a verse from "Turning Japanese."
Posted by: Tom Servo
Sounds like a verse from "Turning Japanese."
Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at September 17, 2020 04:48 PM (Zz0t1)
83
We should have a cooking thread.
Posted by: Ok at September 17, 2020 04:48 PM (84y86)
84
that's a shame, I am trying to look up old comments on the archived posts. I can find the posts, but cannot access any old comments at all, on any thread.
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 17, 2020 04:48 PM (Kpl3J)
85
I tend to not get very excited with peace deals in the middle east, because they don't ever seem to accomplish anything. I'm just frustrated with how this would be considered the greatest thing in the universe that has ever been done by any human ever, were the president a Democrat.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 17, 2020 04:48 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: State Department Fags at September 17, 2020 04:48 PM (mht8P)
87
Palestinians dont want peace so there will never be peace. Its not much more complex than that.
Posted by: Asshoes at September 17, 2020 04:48 PM (Y6JdE)
88
"57 For those that don't know this, the Palestinians are Jordanian citizens of the Husayni clan that Jordan doesn't want, because that clan assassinated the Jordanian king.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at September 17, 2020 04:43 PM (kA3Cp)"
Interesting tidbit ... I knew the Jordanians didn't like them, but not the reason.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at September 17, 2020 04:43 PM (kA3Cp)"
Interesting tidbit ... I knew the Jordanians didn't like them, but not the reason.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 at September 17, 2020 04:48 PM (O7eE8)
89
It's funny to think Obama may have pissed off the Sunnis with his pallets of cash to the Shiites even more than he pissed off conservatives.
And we were good and angry.
Posted by: TexasDan at September 17, 2020 04:46 PM (yL25O)
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Oh, I'm sure that money pissed them off but good.
But it was the whole "giving the Ayatollah nukes" part that drove them into the waiting arms of the hated Jew.
Only the accursed American shit-for-brains in Ben Rhodes' echo chamber thought that was a smart idea.
It's funny to think Obama may have pissed off the Sunnis with his pallets of cash to the Shiites even more than he pissed off conservatives.
And we were good and angry.
Posted by: TexasDan at September 17, 2020 04:46 PM (yL25O)
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Oh, I'm sure that money pissed them off but good.
But it was the whole "giving the Ayatollah nukes" part that drove them into the waiting arms of the hated Jew.
Only the accursed American shit-for-brains in Ben Rhodes' echo chamber thought that was a smart idea.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 17, 2020 04:48 PM (jbllq)
90
Attention on deck!!
Trump has issued 180 degree change of course
Now agrees with Nancy more billions needed
Trump has issued 180 degree change of course
Now agrees with Nancy more billions needed
Posted by: Kurt at September 17, 2020 04:48 PM (Ugm6+)
91
But no, the Palis are too stupid, too corrupt and too violent to improve themselves.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 17, 2020 04:47 PM (mht8P)
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Whats the saying.???
They need to love their children more than they hate Israelis??
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 17, 2020 04:47 PM (mht8P)
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Whats the saying.???
They need to love their children more than they hate Israelis??
Posted by: fixerupper at September 17, 2020 04:49 PM (8XRCm)
92
Spiegelman's Maus might get it across since Art is in all ways a secular Jew with lots of issues.
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 17, 2020 04:49 PM (ftIhd)
93
Haven't the Palestinians been focusing on a Minneapolis takeover the last few years?
They have raghead leaders and Joo haters and I think that's really all that's needed.
And a city council of white Wine Moms dictating policy.
Almost forgot the Wine Moms.
Haven't the Palestinians been focusing on a Minneapolis takeover the last few years?
They have raghead leaders and Joo haters and I think that's really all that's needed.
And a city council of white Wine Moms dictating policy.
Almost forgot the Wine Moms.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at September 17, 2020 04:49 PM (sy5kK)
94
WILL BOMB FOR FOOD
WILL BOMB FOR FOOD
Posted by: Green Helmet Guy - holding a cardboard sign at September 17, 2020 04:50 PM (Bk0np)
95
The LACK of a vigorous response to mohammedan terrorism would have been more dangerous to Western Civilization than the terrorism itself. Because a civilization which is unwilling to defend itself does not deserve to survive. The question is, when does vigorous defense flop over into NeoCon foreign adventurism?
I'm still pondering this, so there's probably a lot of shit I'm missing or just flat wrong about...
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 17, 2020 04:45 PM (EGyGV)
It's like Jackie K told that other guy, 'yes, you are doing it but not very well.
The idea wasn't bad, the initial execution wasn't bad, but the follow up was horrendous.
I'm still pondering this, so there's probably a lot of shit I'm missing or just flat wrong about...
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 17, 2020 04:45 PM (EGyGV)
It's like Jackie K told that other guy, 'yes, you are doing it but not very well.
The idea wasn't bad, the initial execution wasn't bad, but the follow up was horrendous.
Posted by: Braenyard at September 17, 2020 04:50 PM (jy41H)
96
And after the Palestinians tried to overthrow Jordan's government, Jordan kicked that trash out for good.
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 17, 2020 04:50 PM (ftIhd)
97
Basically, some of the younger/more modern peeps in charge of these countries have realized a few things: 1) Israel is not actually a threat to them; 2) they won't be getting much oil $ down the road; 3) their younger citizens have internet access and would like to share in some of the modernity that the ruling classes enjoy; 4) "Peace Process" money is drying up; 5) this is their last chance before consigning most of the Arab world to basket case status for an indefinite period of time, and when enough Arabs realize that, some heads are gonna roll. [Priest! Priest! Priest!]
Posted by: SFGoth at September 17, 2020 04:50 PM (KAi1n)
98
Exactly. Trump's COVID response is the only mistake has made since taking office.
But it was a doozy.
Posted by: creeper at September 17, 2020 08:46 AM (XxJt1)
Yeah, get Night by Weisel on audible.
It's short and gets the point across faster and better. Dont try to get a boy to read a girl's diary, ain't gonna work.
But it was a doozy.
Posted by: creeper at September 17, 2020 08:46 AM (XxJt1)
Yeah, get Night by Weisel on audible.
It's short and gets the point across faster and better. Dont try to get a boy to read a girl's diary, ain't gonna work.
Posted by: dagny, first of her name at September 17, 2020 04:51 PM (ySQBZ)
99
The question is, when does vigorous defense flop over into NeoCon foreign adventurism?
I'm still pondering this, so there's probably a lot of shit I'm missing or just flat wrong about...
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 17, 2020 04:45 PM (EGyGV)
...
When you stick around instead of just leaving after you break everything.
If you hit the COIN stage you're about 32 exits past where you wanted to be.
I'm still pondering this, so there's probably a lot of shit I'm missing or just flat wrong about...
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 17, 2020 04:45 PM (EGyGV)
...
When you stick around instead of just leaving after you break everything.
If you hit the COIN stage you're about 32 exits past where you wanted to be.
Posted by: TexasDan at September 17, 2020 04:51 PM (yL25O)
100
I think there's also a cultural shift in the Arab world when it comes to Palestine and even radical Islamism. I think the elevated quality of life due to oil out weighs embracing some Islamic tenets. Same with Palestine, I think the younger generation are so removed now from any relationship with any Palestinians they just don't care about it or them.
Posted by: lowandslow at September 17, 2020 04:51 PM (4thlk)
101
It is a big deal. Whether it is able to last beyond Trump or not, who knows. All we can do is try.
Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at September 17, 2020 04:51 PM (JRaU+)
102
T: You wanna make a deal? I'll make ya a good deal.
P: No
T: I'll make you a really good deal. Are you sure you don't wanna make a deal?
P: Yes, we are sure.
T: OK
Trump goes on to make other more historic deals.
Cold water on the deals? Bah
Posted by: Braenyard at September 17, 2020 04:45 PM (jy41H)
Leader 1: It sounds like a really good deal.....
Leader 2: *grabs phone* At 3AM?? WHO IS THIS!!???
P: No
T: I'll make you a really good deal. Are you sure you don't wanna make a deal?
P: Yes, we are sure.
T: OK
Trump goes on to make other more historic deals.
Cold water on the deals? Bah
Posted by: Braenyard at September 17, 2020 04:45 PM (jy41H)
Leader 1: It sounds like a really good deal.....
Leader 2: *grabs phone* At 3AM?? WHO IS THIS!!???
Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at September 17, 2020 04:51 PM (Zz0t1)
103
And Trump didn't close your school, creeper.
Posted by: dagny, first of her name at September 17, 2020 04:51 PM (ySQBZ)
104
OH! I WAS HOPING ASSHOLE KURT WOULD SHOW UP! NOW IMONNA SING, BABY!
Posted by: Ethel Merman at September 17, 2020 04:51 PM (sWM8x)
105
slow damn computer.
Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at September 17, 2020 04:31 PM (4a9Vv)
This a poor craftsman who blames the tool.
Shit Norm Abrams would say.
Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at September 17, 2020 04:31 PM (4a9Vv)
This a poor craftsman who blames the tool.
Shit Norm Abrams would say.
Posted by: Traveling Man Who's Stuck At Home. Thanks China &&&& at September 17, 2020 04:51 PM (R5lpX)
106
The LACK of a vigorous response to mohammedan terrorism would have been more dangerous to Western Civilization than the terrorism itself. Because a civilization which is unwilling to defend itself does not deserve to survive. The question is, when does vigorous defense flop over into NeoCon foreign adventurism?
I'm still pondering this, so there's probably a lot of shit I'm missing or just flat wrong about...
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 17, 2020 04:45 PM (EGyGV)
The Jihadi Wars are over. We won.
The Antifa Wars have begun. Will we show the same resolve?
I'm still pondering this, so there's probably a lot of shit I'm missing or just flat wrong about...
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 17, 2020 04:45 PM (EGyGV)
The Jihadi Wars are over. We won.
The Antifa Wars have begun. Will we show the same resolve?
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 17, 2020 04:51 PM (Kpl3J)
107
Someone linked a video on Twitter of John Kerry in 2016 describing how what Trump pulled off cannot, will not, and can never in any conceivable event or time ever happen.
https://tinyurl.com/yxjsm7ry
And he doesn't deliver it like its even an argument he's just stating the obvious that All Who Know Anything Agree With. The State Department is worthless.
https://tinyurl.com/yxjsm7ry
And he doesn't deliver it like its even an argument he's just stating the obvious that All Who Know Anything Agree With. The State Department is worthless.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 17, 2020 04:52 PM (KZzsI)
108
Because a civilization which is unwilling to defend itself does not deserve to survive.
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When a civilization is unwilling to even defend its own children, it does not deserve to survive.
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When a civilization is unwilling to even defend its own children, it does not deserve to survive.
Posted by: SMH at September 17, 2020 04:52 PM (RU4sa)
109
You know how I know this was a good deal?
All the wrong people are against it or ignoring it.
I'm looking at the entire media and demo-communist party, but I repeat myself.
All the wrong people are against it or ignoring it.
I'm looking at the entire media and demo-communist party, but I repeat myself.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at September 17, 2020 04:52 PM (pw+jk)
110
Haven't the Palestinians been focusing on a Minneapolis takeover the last few years?
They have raghead leaders and Joo haters and I think that's really all that's needed.
And a city council of white Wine Moms dictating policy.
Almost forgot the Wine Moms.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg
Minneapolis Whine Moms: Defund the police!
Minneapolis defunds police. Violent crime rises.
Minneapolis Whine Moms: Where are the police??
You can't make this shit up.
They have raghead leaders and Joo haters and I think that's really all that's needed.
And a city council of white Wine Moms dictating policy.
Almost forgot the Wine Moms.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg
Minneapolis Whine Moms: Defund the police!
Minneapolis defunds police. Violent crime rises.
Minneapolis Whine Moms: Where are the police??
You can't make this shit up.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 17, 2020 04:52 PM (U3fW+)
Posted by: lowandslow at September 17, 2020 04:52 PM (4thlk)
112
Machiavelli was instructive about how to deal with the displaced residents of your conquests.
It is also important to keep in mind for how to deal with those who would fight against the Constitution should there be another civil war.
It is also important to keep in mind for how to deal with those who would fight against the Constitution should there be another civil war.
Posted by: not so at September 17, 2020 04:53 PM (vwLr1)
113
96 And after the Palestinians tried to overthrow Jordan's government, Jordan kicked that trash out for good.
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 17, 2020 04:50 PM (ftIhd)
Wasn't a machine gun part of the option?
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 17, 2020 04:50 PM (ftIhd)
Wasn't a machine gun part of the option?
Posted by: Braenyard at September 17, 2020 04:53 PM (jy41H)
114
Posted by: Kurt at September 17, 2020 04:48 PM (Ugm6+)
You know there's a difference between billions and TRILLIONS, right?
You know there's a difference between billions and TRILLIONS, right?
Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at September 17, 2020 04:53 PM (Zz0t1)
115
If your kids are ignorant of WW2, perhaps they'd learn by watching Schindlier's List 2: Schindler's Pissed
Posted by: Broseidon - Now A Scientist, Too at September 17, 2020 04:53 PM (FCQR/)
116
When you stick around instead of just leaving after you break everything.
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And demand Versailles-level reparations.
When you stick around instead of just leaving after you break everything.
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And demand Versailles-level reparations.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 17, 2020 04:53 PM (mht8P)
117
Haven't the Palestinians been focusing on a Minneapolis takeover the last few years?
They have raghead leaders and Joo haters and I think that's really all that's needed.
And a city council of white Wine Moms dictating policy.
Almost forgot the Wine Moms.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at September 17, 2020 04:49 PM (sy5kK)
And now they've turned it into Gaza, complete with smoking ruins. Just like Hell. I hope they have a good time this winter when Hell Freezes Over.
They have raghead leaders and Joo haters and I think that's really all that's needed.
And a city council of white Wine Moms dictating policy.
Almost forgot the Wine Moms.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at September 17, 2020 04:49 PM (sy5kK)
And now they've turned it into Gaza, complete with smoking ruins. Just like Hell. I hope they have a good time this winter when Hell Freezes Over.
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 17, 2020 04:53 PM (Kpl3J)
118
minneapolis wine moms - gang rape is not as much fun as we thought it would be
Posted by: not so at September 17, 2020 04:53 PM (vwLr1)
119
The poll trolls will tell you Hiden' Biden leads by 6 plus in Wisconsin. But the people will be heard.
https://tinyurl.com/y6cjhp9g
https://tinyurl.com/y6cjhp9g
Posted by: Huck Follywood at September 17, 2020 04:54 PM (gtNWf)
120
Pressure cooking coming up to pressure. It's magical.
Posted by: Ok at September 17, 2020 04:54 PM (84y86)
121
For those that don't know this, the Palestinians are Jordanian citizens of the Husayni clan that Jordan doesn't want, because that clan assassinated the Jordanian king.
That's a chunk of them. They are also made up of the trash and human waste from every other nearby Arabic nation, and a hand full of mostly nomadic Arabic people who lived in the area of Israel before the nation was reformed in the 50s.
That's a chunk of them. They are also made up of the trash and human waste from every other nearby Arabic nation, and a hand full of mostly nomadic Arabic people who lived in the area of Israel before the nation was reformed in the 50s.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 17, 2020 04:54 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: not so at September 17, 2020 04:54 PM (vwLr1)
123
The poll trolls will tell you Hiden' Biden leads by 6 plus in Wisconsin. But the people will be heard.
https://tinyurl.com/y6cjhp9g
Posted by: Huck Follywood at September 17, 2020 04:54 PM (gtNWf)
THEY'RE NOT SOCIAL DISTANCING!!!!!!
I DON'T SEE ANY MASKS!!!!!!
- Karen
https://tinyurl.com/y6cjhp9g
Posted by: Huck Follywood at September 17, 2020 04:54 PM (gtNWf)
THEY'RE NOT SOCIAL DISTANCING!!!!!!
I DON'T SEE ANY MASKS!!!!!!
- Karen
Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at September 17, 2020 04:54 PM (Zz0t1)
124
"107 Someone linked a video on Twitter of John Kerry in 2016 describing how what Trump pulled off cannot, will not, and can never in any conceivable event or time ever happen.
https://tinyurl.com/yxjsm7ry
And he doesn't deliver it like its even an argument he's just stating the obvious that All Who Know Anything Agree With. The State Department is worthless.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 17, 2020 04:52 PM (KZzsI) "
No, "worthless" is kind of, neutral ?
"actively anti-American" is what I would say.
https://tinyurl.com/yxjsm7ry
And he doesn't deliver it like its even an argument he's just stating the obvious that All Who Know Anything Agree With. The State Department is worthless.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 17, 2020 04:52 PM (KZzsI) "
No, "worthless" is kind of, neutral ?
"actively anti-American" is what I would say.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 at September 17, 2020 04:55 PM (O7eE8)
125
How much better would the world be if George Soros had died in Auschwitz and Anne Frank had survived the war?
Posted by: An Observation at September 17, 2020 04:55 PM (oeb4i)
126
You know there's a difference between billions and TRILLIONS, right? +++
When it's trillions, you're talking about REAL money.
When it's trillions, you're talking about REAL money.
Posted by: Old Dude at September 17, 2020 04:55 PM (LGXGf)
127
When a civilization is unwilling to even defend its own children, it does not deserve to survive.
I submit that it WILL not survive. Ask the Anasazi some time how well peaceful coexistence with bloodthirsty neighbors works out.
I submit that it WILL not survive. Ask the Anasazi some time how well peaceful coexistence with bloodthirsty neighbors works out.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 17, 2020 04:55 PM (KZzsI)
128
119 The poll trolls will tell you Hiden' Biden leads by 6 plus in Wisconsin. But the people will be heard.
https://tinyurl.com/y6cjhp9g
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Jonathan Karl says covering that's just like going to Fallujah.
https://tinyurl.com/y6cjhp9g
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Jonathan Karl says covering that's just like going to Fallujah.
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis at September 17, 2020 04:55 PM (sWM8x)
129
Andrew Solender
@AndrewSolender
NEW: Trump announces the 1776 Commission, aimed at establishing what he calls "patriotic" and "pro-America" education that will celebrate the "miracle" of American history.
Re-examinations of U.S. history, he said, are "ideological poison."
Trump Launches 'Patriotic Education' Commission, Calls 1619 Project 'Ideological Poison'
The president accused the left of attempting to 'demolish' the constitution and impose 'tyranny' through progressive education.
https://t.co/0ATeKEyO2p?amp=1
12:27 PM · Sep 17, 2020
@AndrewSolender
NEW: Trump announces the 1776 Commission, aimed at establishing what he calls "patriotic" and "pro-America" education that will celebrate the "miracle" of American history.
Re-examinations of U.S. history, he said, are "ideological poison."
Trump Launches 'Patriotic Education' Commission, Calls 1619 Project 'Ideological Poison'
The president accused the left of attempting to 'demolish' the constitution and impose 'tyranny' through progressive education.
https://t.co/0ATeKEyO2p?amp=1
12:27 PM · Sep 17, 2020
Posted by: BetaCuck4Life at September 17, 2020 04:55 PM (FBrfY)
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I submit that it WILL not survive. Ask the Anasazi some time how well peaceful coexistence with bloodthirsty neighbors works out.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 17, 2020 04:55 PM (KZzsI)
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What about Western Civ?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 17, 2020 04:55 PM (KZzsI)
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What about Western Civ?
Posted by: SMH at September 17, 2020 04:56 PM (RU4sa)
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We arent energy dependent on them anymore. They lost their biggest bargaining chip.
Posted by: dagny, first of her name at September 17, 2020 04:46 PM (ySQBZ)
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Trump letting our energy industry loose by removing regulations was the first thing he did for middle east peace to succeed. All the donks, GOPe, and deep state were against this. Again so I knew it was the correct thing to do.
Posted by: dagny, first of her name at September 17, 2020 04:46 PM (ySQBZ)
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Trump letting our energy industry loose by removing regulations was the first thing he did for middle east peace to succeed. All the donks, GOPe, and deep state were against this. Again so I knew it was the correct thing to do.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at September 17, 2020 04:57 PM (pw+jk)
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Re-examinations of U.S. history, he said, are "ideological poison."
Trump Launches 'Patriotic Education' Commission, Calls 1619 Project 'Ideological Poison'
The president accused the left of attempting to 'demolish' the constitution and impose 'tyranny' through progressive education.
https://t.co/0ATeKEyO2p?amp=1
12:27 PM Sep 17, 2020
Posted by: BetaCuck4Life at September 17, 2020 04:55 PM (FBrfY)
We choose TRUTH over FACTS!!!!!
What's YOUR truth?
Trump Launches 'Patriotic Education' Commission, Calls 1619 Project 'Ideological Poison'
The president accused the left of attempting to 'demolish' the constitution and impose 'tyranny' through progressive education.
https://t.co/0ATeKEyO2p?amp=1
12:27 PM Sep 17, 2020
Posted by: BetaCuck4Life at September 17, 2020 04:55 PM (FBrfY)
We choose TRUTH over FACTS!!!!!
What's YOUR truth?
Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at September 17, 2020 04:57 PM (Zz0t1)
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121 For those that don't know this, the Palestinians are Jordanian citizens of the Husayni clan that Jordan doesn't want, because that clan assassinated the Jordanian king.
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That's a chunk of them. They are also made up of the trash and human waste from every other nearby Arabic nation, and a hand full of mostly nomadic Arabic people who lived in the area of Israel before the nation was reformed in the 50s.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 17, 2020 04:54 PM (KZzsI)
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And Israel, when it became a state, offered them citizenship and participation. But nooooo
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That's a chunk of them. They are also made up of the trash and human waste from every other nearby Arabic nation, and a hand full of mostly nomadic Arabic people who lived in the area of Israel before the nation was reformed in the 50s.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 17, 2020 04:54 PM (KZzsI)
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And Israel, when it became a state, offered them citizenship and participation. But nooooo
Posted by: Braenyard at September 17, 2020 04:57 PM (jy41H)
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There is a reason the Jordanians decided it was easier to just cede the West Bank instead of making a fuss
Posted by: not so at September 17, 2020 04:44 PM (vwLr1)
The Israeli army and air force made the decision for them.
Posted by: not so at September 17, 2020 04:44 PM (vwLr1)
The Israeli army and air force made the decision for them.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 17, 2020 04:57 PM (xT2tT)
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What about Western Civ?
Jury's still out on whether or not we'll defend ourselves yet but its not looking good. We kill our own babies at like 5k a day.
Jury's still out on whether or not we'll defend ourselves yet but its not looking good. We kill our own babies at like 5k a day.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 17, 2020 04:57 PM (KZzsI)
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submit that it WILL not survive. Ask the Anasazi some time how well peaceful coexistence with bloodthirsty neighbors works out.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at Septemb
Anasazi? What about the Annunaki?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at Septemb
Anasazi? What about the Annunaki?
Posted by: not so at September 17, 2020 04:57 PM (vwLr1)
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He cant, nobody can. The problem IS the Palestinians.
Posted by: fixerupper at September 17, 2020 04:35 PM (8XRCm)
For some problems, the best solution is just to let it go away and slowly fade to nothing. Which is about to happen here.
no money, no military, no industry, no jobs, no friends in the world - I'd say it sucks to be them nowadays.
Posted by: Tom Servo at Septe
Not true. They have Gaza! Oh, wait. Yeah, they torched the place. My bad.
Posted by: fixerupper at September 17, 2020 04:35 PM (8XRCm)
For some problems, the best solution is just to let it go away and slowly fade to nothing. Which is about to happen here.
no money, no military, no industry, no jobs, no friends in the world - I'd say it sucks to be them nowadays.
Posted by: Tom Servo at Septe
Not true. They have Gaza! Oh, wait. Yeah, they torched the place. My bad.
Posted by: Beartooth at September 17, 2020 04:57 PM (PJtXD)
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How much better would the world be if George Soros had died in Auschwitz and Anne Frank had survived the war?
Posted by: An Observation at September 17, 2020 04:55 PM (oeb4i)
We would have the ball point pen!
Posted by: An Observation at September 17, 2020 04:55 PM (oeb4i)
We would have the ball point pen!
Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at September 17, 2020 04:58 PM (Zz0t1)
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And demand Versailles-level reparations.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 17, 2020 04:53 PM (mht8P)
Turns out we paid the little that wasn't renegotiated through low interest loans.
The whole "Versailles reparations" caused ww2 is bs. Our stock market crash "caused" the nazis because all the sweet cash dried up.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 17, 2020 04:53 PM (mht8P)
Turns out we paid the little that wasn't renegotiated through low interest loans.
The whole "Versailles reparations" caused ww2 is bs. Our stock market crash "caused" the nazis because all the sweet cash dried up.
Posted by: dagny, first of her name at September 17, 2020 04:58 PM (ySQBZ)
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Another side of the eschatological Rubic Cube is close to completion. Sir Isaac Newton estimated the season of the return of Christ at what, sometime not before 2060 but right around there.
Who am I to disagree with him? My guesses all revolve around 1948 and herm derp how long is a generation derp. 70, 90 years?
2018 to 2038.
Shit is crazy enough as it is. 2060? Fuck that. Please rapture me, Lord!
Who am I to disagree with him? My guesses all revolve around 1948 and herm derp how long is a generation derp. 70, 90 years?
2018 to 2038.
Shit is crazy enough as it is. 2060? Fuck that. Please rapture me, Lord!
Posted by: Denny Crane! at September 17, 2020 04:58 PM (1eJby)
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And after the Palestinians tried to overthrow Jordan's government, Jordan kicked that trash out for good.
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 17, 2020 04:50 PM (ftIhd)
Funny thing, the Palis call the Jordanian purge/asskicking Black September, and used the name for the rather famous PLO offshoot.
And immediately ignored their beef with the Jordanians and used Black September to kill Joos.
And after the Palestinians tried to overthrow Jordan's government, Jordan kicked that trash out for good.
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 17, 2020 04:50 PM (ftIhd)
Funny thing, the Palis call the Jordanian purge/asskicking Black September, and used the name for the rather famous PLO offshoot.
And immediately ignored their beef with the Jordanians and used Black September to kill Joos.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 17, 2020 04:58 PM (EGyGV)
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We kill our own babies at like 5k a day.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 17, 2020 04:57 PM (KZzsI)
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Exactly.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 17, 2020 04:57 PM (KZzsI)
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Exactly.
Posted by: SMH at September 17, 2020 04:58 PM (RU4sa)
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The only people that care about the palestinian problem are the members of the progressive academy who want to use them as a tool.
That's it.
They are a tool to be used and discarded.
Utility. You're soaking in it.
That's it.
They are a tool to be used and discarded.
Utility. You're soaking in it.
Posted by: garrett at September 17, 2020 04:58 PM (sKPxp)
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What about Western Civ?
Posted by: SMH at September 17, 2020 04:56 PM (RU4sa)
Civ?
You asked for it.....
https://youtu.be/T8ZCCJbrM2M
What about Western Civ?
Posted by: SMH at September 17, 2020 04:56 PM (RU4sa)
Civ?
You asked for it.....
https://youtu.be/T8ZCCJbrM2M
Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at September 17, 2020 04:58 PM (Zz0t1)
145
How much better would the world be if George Soros had died in Auschwitz and Anne Frank had survived the war?
Posted by: An Observation
Infinitely.
Posted by: An Observation
Infinitely.
Posted by: Sharkman at September 17, 2020 04:59 PM (BM2fS)
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347
World's Shortest Man Dies in Nepal at 67 centimeters
Posted by: SMOD at Septemb
Any comment from the Empress yet?
World's Shortest Man Dies in Nepal at 67 centimeters
Posted by: SMOD at Septemb
Any comment from the Empress yet?
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at September 17, 2020 04:59 PM (ufFY8)
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Palis: Give us what we want and we will have peace!
PDT: ok. What do you want?
Palis: all of the land, lots of money, Jerusalem, and the destruction of Israel!
PDT: ok. I'm just gonna move our embassy to Jerusalem and cut off your so called "humanitarian assistance" money.
Palis: wah!WAH wah!! Give us what we want!! Damn you! We will curse you and destroy Israel if we don't get what we want!
PDT: ok . I'm gonna cause peace to break out all over the middle East so everyone ignores your stupid ass temper tantrums.
Palis: Noooo!! We want we want we want!!
PDT: no one cares what you want! You had your chance, and you pissed it away. You get nothing! Now go get daddy's belt.
Palis: ........ Yes daddy.
PDT: ok. What do you want?
Palis: all of the land, lots of money, Jerusalem, and the destruction of Israel!
PDT: ok. I'm just gonna move our embassy to Jerusalem and cut off your so called "humanitarian assistance" money.
Palis: wah!WAH wah!! Give us what we want!! Damn you! We will curse you and destroy Israel if we don't get what we want!
PDT: ok . I'm gonna cause peace to break out all over the middle East so everyone ignores your stupid ass temper tantrums.
Palis: Noooo!! We want we want we want!!
PDT: no one cares what you want! You had your chance, and you pissed it away. You get nothing! Now go get daddy's belt.
Palis: ........ Yes daddy.
Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at September 17, 2020 04:59 PM (Vxu+H)
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NEW: Trump announces the 1776 Commission, aimed at establishing what he calls "patriotic" and "pro-America" education that will celebrate the "miracle" of American history.
And the libs on Twitter are freaking the fuck out. You hate to see it.
And the libs on Twitter are freaking the fuck out. You hate to see it.
Posted by: Ian S. at September 17, 2020 05:00 PM (ZGrMX)
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KSA is the Joker in the deck, but,
They may be waiting to announce to sign onto this agreement until right before the Election.
Would help spin the news cycle away from the Dems October surprise.
Media would HAVE to cover it, as they own parts of the media.
They may be waiting to announce to sign onto this agreement until right before the Election.
Would help spin the news cycle away from the Dems October surprise.
Media would HAVE to cover it, as they own parts of the media.
Posted by: Romeo13 at September 17, 2020 05:00 PM (NgKpN)
150
The Palistinians are a cat's paw for the Muslim states against Israel. Currently the GCC don't need a cat's paw against Israel, they need one against Iran and maybe Turkey.
The Palistinians will still be a pile of sniveling garbage, it's just that their financing will come out of Iran and Turkey. But things are going to be a lot tighter for them.
The Palistinians will still be a pile of sniveling garbage, it's just that their financing will come out of Iran and Turkey. But things are going to be a lot tighter for them.
Posted by: Minuteman at September 17, 2020 05:00 PM (cASgE)
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Yeah, notice no one in the mainstream press - when they can be bothered to cover this *at all* - dares to mention Trump's energy policy and how US energy independence certainly ties in to the overall realignment of the Arab states that we're starting to witness.
Odd that those mensa candidates at the news outfits don't seem to connect the dots, no?
Odd that those mensa candidates at the news outfits don't seem to connect the dots, no?
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 17, 2020 05:00 PM (hYcqw)
152
Sorry but anything else is neocon bulldinky.
Posted by: Regular joe relentlessly upping the ante at September 17, 2020 04:48 PM (L9P9s)
All evidence of the last 70 years to the contrary.
But you be you...
Posted by: Regular joe relentlessly upping the ante at September 17, 2020 04:48 PM (L9P9s)
All evidence of the last 70 years to the contrary.
But you be you...
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 17, 2020 05:00 PM (xT2tT)
153
Only the accursed American shit-for-brains in Ben Rhodes' echo chamber thought that was a smart idea.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 17, 2020 04:48 PM (jbllq)
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That was the same clown car-load of geniuses who smugly predicted that Trump's moving of the US Embassy to Jerusalem would tear up the region and end any hope of a Mideast peace.
Do those fools (including the so-called "professionals" in the State Dept.) ever get ANYTHING right?
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 17, 2020 04:48 PM (jbllq)
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That was the same clown car-load of geniuses who smugly predicted that Trump's moving of the US Embassy to Jerusalem would tear up the region and end any hope of a Mideast peace.
Do those fools (including the so-called "professionals" in the State Dept.) ever get ANYTHING right?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 17, 2020 05:00 PM (C4RbX)
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Exactly. Trump's COVID response is the only mistake has made since taking office.
But it was a doozy.
Posted by: creeper
Love the guy. But repeating over and over that this is "The Plague" , patting Abbott on the back and saying "good job", and letting his NIH and CDC heads run all over him like a renegade FBI director was not my favorite part of this movie.
But it was a doozy.
Posted by: creeper
Love the guy. But repeating over and over that this is "The Plague" , patting Abbott on the back and saying "good job", and letting his NIH and CDC heads run all over him like a renegade FBI director was not my favorite part of this movie.
Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at September 17, 2020 05:00 PM (Bk0np)
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>>Any comment from the Empress yet?
She always looked up to that guy.
I hope she's not too down, today.
She always looked up to that guy.
I hope she's not too down, today.
Posted by: garrett at September 17, 2020 05:00 PM (/+EQG)
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Trump Launches 'Patriotic Education' Commission, Calls 1619 Project 'Ideological Poison'
The president accused the left of attempting to 'demolish' the constitution and impose 'tyranny' through progressive education.
https://t.co/0ATeKEyO2p?amp=1
12:27 PM Sep 17, 2020
Posted by: BetaCuck4Life
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Beautiful. I hope he takes it right to racist Oprah's doorstep.
Trump Launches 'Patriotic Education' Commission, Calls 1619 Project 'Ideological Poison'
The president accused the left of attempting to 'demolish' the constitution and impose 'tyranny' through progressive education.
https://t.co/0ATeKEyO2p?amp=1
12:27 PM Sep 17, 2020
Posted by: BetaCuck4Life
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Beautiful. I hope he takes it right to racist Oprah's doorstep.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at September 17, 2020 05:01 PM (G51Gf)
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Trump Launches 'Patriotic Education' Commission, Calls 1619 Project 'Ideological Poison'
The president accused the left of attempting to 'demolish' the constitution and impose 'tyranny' through progressive education.
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That is awesome, and deserved its own post.
The president accused the left of attempting to 'demolish' the constitution and impose 'tyranny' through progressive education.
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That is awesome, and deserved its own post.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at September 17, 2020 05:01 PM (kA3Cp)
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How much better would the world be if George Soros had died in Auschwitz and Anne Frank had survived the war?
Posted by: An Observation
Infinitely.
Posted by: Sharkman at September 17, 2020 04:59 PM (BM2fS)
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I dunno.
History has a weird way of surprising you. What if Anne Frank grew up to be a East German True Believer and that it was she that kept the Soviet Union intact and The Red Menace ultimately defeated the United States in 2039.
Like that episode on Star Trek.
Posted by: An Observation
Infinitely.
Posted by: Sharkman at September 17, 2020 04:59 PM (BM2fS)
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I dunno.
History has a weird way of surprising you. What if Anne Frank grew up to be a East German True Believer and that it was she that kept the Soviet Union intact and The Red Menace ultimately defeated the United States in 2039.
Like that episode on Star Trek.
Posted by: fixerupper at September 17, 2020 05:01 PM (8XRCm)
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"Palestinians" only held out this long because their "allies" enabled them to do so. Now they're realizing their "allies" aren't their friends and how they were being used by them for all these years.
Posted by: I Heart Bug Tits at September 17, 2020 05:01 PM (+v+zN)
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Late to last thread:
522 My coaches sexualized us.
our parents knew it.
no one protected us. SOMEONE NEEDS TO PROTECT OUR GIRLS.
Posted by: nurse ratched at September 17, 2020 04:02 PM (W2Pud)
Male olympic gymnasts wear shorts; females, even very young females, do not wear shorts. I don't get it.
522 My coaches sexualized us.
our parents knew it.
no one protected us. SOMEONE NEEDS TO PROTECT OUR GIRLS.
Posted by: nurse ratched at September 17, 2020 04:02 PM (W2Pud)
Male olympic gymnasts wear shorts; females, even very young females, do not wear shorts. I don't get it.
Posted by: FloridaMan at September 17, 2020 05:01 PM (HCeRP)
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129 Andrew Solender
@AndrewSolender
NEW: Trump announces the 1776 Commission, aimed at establishing what he calls "patriotic" and "pro-America" education that will celebrate the "miracle" of American history.
Re-examinations of U.S. history, he said, are "ideological poison."
heh.
"1776 Commission" sounds a lot better than "1619 Committee".
'Cuz a commission always has more important people on it and has a bigger budget than a committee.
Every mid-management brown-nosed suck up knows this.
Another bad day in LiberalLand.
@AndrewSolender
NEW: Trump announces the 1776 Commission, aimed at establishing what he calls "patriotic" and "pro-America" education that will celebrate the "miracle" of American history.
Re-examinations of U.S. history, he said, are "ideological poison."
heh.
"1776 Commission" sounds a lot better than "1619 Committee".
'Cuz a commission always has more important people on it and has a bigger budget than a committee.
Every mid-management brown-nosed suck up knows this.
Another bad day in LiberalLand.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at September 17, 2020 05:01 PM (sy5kK)
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The Palistinians will still be a pile of sniveling garbage, it's just that their financing will come out of Iran and Turkey. But things are going to be a lot tighter for them.
Posted by: Minuteman at September 17, 2020 05:00 PM (cASgE)
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Swiss banks hardest hit.
The Palistinians will still be a pile of sniveling garbage, it's just that their financing will come out of Iran and Turkey. But things are going to be a lot tighter for them.
Posted by: Minuteman at September 17, 2020 05:00 PM (cASgE)
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Swiss banks hardest hit.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 17, 2020 05:02 PM (mht8P)
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"93% of Pelosi's driveway has not been pooped on."
Posted by: BourbonChicken at September 17, 2020 05:02 PM (LxTcq)
164
Anyway, the smells are permeating regarding the pressure cooker. I am so excited for the meal.
Posted by: Ok at September 17, 2020 05:02 PM (84y86)
165
wow and here I was thinking they were everything
cause everything happens so often
in most everything
cause everything happens so often
in most everything
Posted by: REDACTED at September 17, 2020 05:02 PM (O+AcM)
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>> He didn't solve the "Palestinian" problem
I think this is actually a solution to the proxy wars between Iran and Saudi Arabia. Even so, if the Palestinians are only supported by Iran and Turkey, that is a much smaller problem than before.
I think this is actually a solution to the proxy wars between Iran and Saudi Arabia. Even so, if the Palestinians are only supported by Iran and Turkey, that is a much smaller problem than before.
Posted by: 40 miles north at September 17, 2020 05:03 PM (o2vOl)
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I remember a few years back arguing with a leftist most likely illegal alien. I told him he was clueless about history, the US history, and world history.
His comeback ? He read "Aunt" Frank. Yeah, it was then I realized all leftists get their lying papers at birth stapled to their BC.
His comeback ? He read "Aunt" Frank. Yeah, it was then I realized all leftists get their lying papers at birth stapled to their BC.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at September 17, 2020 05:03 PM (9Om/r)
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>>History has a weird way of surprising you. What if Anne Frank grew up to be a East German True Believer and that it was she that kept the Soviet Union intact and The Red Menace ultimately defeated the United States in 2039.
Never happen.
Zager and Evans would have warned us in time.
Never happen.
Zager and Evans would have warned us in time.
Posted by: garrett at September 17, 2020 05:03 PM (/+EQG)
169
Yeah, notice no one in the mainstream press - when they can be bothered to cover this *at all* - dares to mention Trump's energy policy and how US energy independence certainly ties in to the overall realignment of the Arab states that we're starting to witness.
Odd that those mensa candidates at the news outfits don't seem to connect the dots, no?
Posted by: Joe Mannix
Not too mention all the calls from the commies to outlaw fracking.
Odd that those mensa candidates at the news outfits don't seem to connect the dots, no?
Posted by: Joe Mannix
Not too mention all the calls from the commies to outlaw fracking.
Posted by: Beartooth at September 17, 2020 05:03 PM (PJtXD)
170
The only people that care about the palestinian problem are the members of the progressive academy who want to use them as a tool.
That's it.
They are a tool to be used and discarded.
Utility. You're soaking in it.
Posted by: garrett at September 17, 2020 04:58 PM (sKPxp)
*snif*
The only people that care about the palestinian problem are the members of the progressive academy who want to use them as a tool.
That's it.
They are a tool to be used and discarded.
Utility. You're soaking in it.
Posted by: garrett at September 17, 2020 04:58 PM (sKPxp)
*snif*
Posted by: Cindy Sheehan, with a tin cup on the street corner at September 17, 2020 05:03 PM (EGyGV)
171
Yeah, notice no one in the mainstream press - when they can be bothered to cover this *at all* - dares to mention Trump's energy policy and how US energy independence certainly ties in to the overall realignment of the Arab states that we're starting to witness.
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Of course not. That would be useful analysis.
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Of course not. That would be useful analysis.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 17, 2020 05:03 PM (C4RbX)
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Trump Launches 'Patriotic Education' Commission, Calls 1619 Project 'Ideological Poison'
The president accused the left of attempting to 'demolish' the constitution and impose 'tyranny' through progressive education.
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Great move. I'll wager 80%+ of the country never heard of it. Some much needed sunshine.
The president accused the left of attempting to 'demolish' the constitution and impose 'tyranny' through progressive education.
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Great move. I'll wager 80%+ of the country never heard of it. Some much needed sunshine.
Posted by: Old Dude at September 17, 2020 05:04 PM (LGXGf)
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if the Palestinians are only supported by Iran and Turkey, that is a much smaller problem than before.
Posted by: 40 miles north
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The gruel ration is going to be increased from 150 grams from 200 grams.
Posted by: 40 miles north
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The gruel ration is going to be increased from 150 grams from 200 grams.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at September 17, 2020 05:04 PM (kA3Cp)
174
As much as I want to believe that this is the beginning of the end of the Arab world's vituperative mania and hatred of Israel, The Abraham Accords are more of a shift of geopolitical connections and enemies, rather than a meaningful decrease in the global threats against Israel.
No, nothing will end the Muslim world's hatred of Jews (and by extension, Israel and Israel's supporters) because it's a feature of the Koran. As the Koran cannot be changed (ever!), one cannot remain a Muslim and not espouse Jew-hatred. This is just more taqiyah, dissimulation towards the kaffir, to get what one wants. In this case, better trade deals. Which is fine, for now. But don't ever think they still don't want to wipe Israel and all Jews off the face of the earth, and wouldn't stab us in the back the first chance opportunity presents itself. Because you knew it was a snake when you picked it up...
No, nothing will end the Muslim world's hatred of Jews (and by extension, Israel and Israel's supporters) because it's a feature of the Koran. As the Koran cannot be changed (ever!), one cannot remain a Muslim and not espouse Jew-hatred. This is just more taqiyah, dissimulation towards the kaffir, to get what one wants. In this case, better trade deals. Which is fine, for now. But don't ever think they still don't want to wipe Israel and all Jews off the face of the earth, and wouldn't stab us in the back the first chance opportunity presents itself. Because you knew it was a snake when you picked it up...
Posted by: tankascribe at September 17, 2020 05:04 PM (YgZrL)
175
And he doesn't deliver it like its even an argument he's just stating the obvious that All Who Know Anything Agree With. The State Department is worthless.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 17, 2020 04:52 PM (KZzsI)
It's almost like our diplomatic corps thinks instead of representing America's interests, their role is to be fairy godmother to brown people.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 17, 2020 04:52 PM (KZzsI)
It's almost like our diplomatic corps thinks instead of representing America's interests, their role is to be fairy godmother to brown people.
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Low Glycemic Souls at September 17, 2020 05:04 PM (Wm5SB)
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153 Only the accursed American shit-for-brains in Ben Rhodes' echo chamber thought that was a smart idea.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 17, 2020 04:48 PM (jbllq)
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That was the same clown car-load of geniuses who smugly predicted that Trump's moving of the US Embassy to Jerusalem would tear up the region and end any hope of a Mideast peace.
Do those fools (including the so-called "professionals" in the State Dept.) ever get ANYTHING right?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 17, 2020 05:00 PM (C4RbX)
I bet the journalists in Ben Rhodes' echo chamber and journalists defending Cuties is a near perfect circle.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 17, 2020 04:48 PM (jbllq)
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That was the same clown car-load of geniuses who smugly predicted that Trump's moving of the US Embassy to Jerusalem would tear up the region and end any hope of a Mideast peace.
Do those fools (including the so-called "professionals" in the State Dept.) ever get ANYTHING right?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 17, 2020 05:00 PM (C4RbX)
I bet the journalists in Ben Rhodes' echo chamber and journalists defending Cuties is a near perfect circle.
Posted by: buzzion at September 17, 2020 05:05 PM (vMCab)
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*snif*
Posted by: Cindy Sheehan, with a tin cup on the street corner at September 17, 2020 05:03 PM (EGyGV)
You're dumber than we thought if you didn't know that was coming, toolbox.
*snif*
Posted by: Cindy Sheehan, with a tin cup on the street corner at September 17, 2020 05:03 PM (EGyGV)
You're dumber than we thought if you didn't know that was coming, toolbox.
Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at September 17, 2020 05:05 PM (Zz0t1)
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I bet the journalists in Ben Rhodes' echo chamber and journalists defending Cuties is a near perfect circle.
Posted by: buzzion at September 17, 2020 05:05 PM (vMCab)
It's what's known in the industry as "a circle jerk."
I bet the journalists in Ben Rhodes' echo chamber and journalists defending Cuties is a near perfect circle.
Posted by: buzzion at September 17, 2020 05:05 PM (vMCab)
It's what's known in the industry as "a circle jerk."
Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at September 17, 2020 05:05 PM (Zz0t1)
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Greenspan said we needed to got to war to keep the oil flowing (Bush 41) which keeps the economy booming. (supposedly he took that back, but oil was certainly always fundamental to ME tensions).
Saddam was our guy for awhile, then he wasn't. Shia versus Sunni was useful (Iran versus Iraq) ... but the Shia Persians are a minority, that have to be propped up, to keep that region in chaos? (Shah, then Khomeini) And some Muslims are "twelvers", some are seventh imam'ers, several offshoots. (like with Christianity, but with wars).
My newer insight/perception is that experts say, the Saudis are not supposed to be leading Islam (per the scrolls or something) ... they are the wrong group, but have usurped that position, mostly via their raw wealth. But the others (Sunni, Shia, and the other factions) all hate them for it.
Erdogan is trying to be the new leader of Islam sorta ... to form the caliphate (Obama's beloved Arab Spring, and murder of Ghadaffi), but also will not be accepted ... he is more secular, despite playing the Muslim Brotherhood game. (experts tell me). So Trump has clearly changed the game ... Obama/CIA? were backing Iran for some reason ... to keep conflict going, constant war for profit? And Erdogan tries to leverage his position ... now trying to claim oil around Greece ... stomping on Kurds.
A peaceful alliance makes sense for the main players .... CIA/DeepState don't seem to like that notion. Is the globalist NWO plan to keep sovereign nations at war, the same way they keep Americans at war with each other internally? idk, kinda makes sense. Grifters looking to profit while everyone else fights.
(my current ME understanding, always changing)
Saddam was our guy for awhile, then he wasn't. Shia versus Sunni was useful (Iran versus Iraq) ... but the Shia Persians are a minority, that have to be propped up, to keep that region in chaos? (Shah, then Khomeini) And some Muslims are "twelvers", some are seventh imam'ers, several offshoots. (like with Christianity, but with wars).
My newer insight/perception is that experts say, the Saudis are not supposed to be leading Islam (per the scrolls or something) ... they are the wrong group, but have usurped that position, mostly via their raw wealth. But the others (Sunni, Shia, and the other factions) all hate them for it.
Erdogan is trying to be the new leader of Islam sorta ... to form the caliphate (Obama's beloved Arab Spring, and murder of Ghadaffi), but also will not be accepted ... he is more secular, despite playing the Muslim Brotherhood game. (experts tell me). So Trump has clearly changed the game ... Obama/CIA? were backing Iran for some reason ... to keep conflict going, constant war for profit? And Erdogan tries to leverage his position ... now trying to claim oil around Greece ... stomping on Kurds.
A peaceful alliance makes sense for the main players .... CIA/DeepState don't seem to like that notion. Is the globalist NWO plan to keep sovereign nations at war, the same way they keep Americans at war with each other internally? idk, kinda makes sense. Grifters looking to profit while everyone else fights.
(my current ME understanding, always changing)
Posted by: illiniwek at September 17, 2020 05:06 PM (Cus5s)
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You're dumber than we thought if you didn't know that was coming, toolbox.
Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at September 17, 2020 05:05 PM (Zz0t1)
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Especially after whats his name stopped fucking her brains out.
Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at September 17, 2020 05:05 PM (Zz0t1)
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Especially after whats his name stopped fucking her brains out.
Posted by: fixerupper at September 17, 2020 05:06 PM (8XRCm)
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So Trump got them to agree not to start shooting at each other, at least today. And even make nice, kinda.
Like a similar situation with NKorea, which we were supposed to be
at war with by now, at least that is what Obama passed to PDT, we are
not.
I would call this a practical victory. Live for another day. Not perfect, but in the correct direction.
Momentum is a powerful tool.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at September 17, 2020 04:41 PM (sy5kK)
I will not kill -- today!
So Trump got them to agree not to start shooting at each other, at least today. And even make nice, kinda.
Like a similar situation with NKorea, which we were supposed to be
at war with by now, at least that is what Obama passed to PDT, we are
not.
I would call this a practical victory. Live for another day. Not perfect, but in the correct direction.
Momentum is a powerful tool.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at September 17, 2020 04:41 PM (sy5kK)
I will not kill -- today!
Posted by: James Tiberius Kirk at September 17, 2020 05:06 PM (ufFY8)
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The Obama pro-Iran bent helped this along meme is bullshit and people here need to stop the nonsense. Arabs have and always will not trust and despise Iran. Any fear of Obama's slobbering over them was only destined for a war end, Trump has leveraged their natural animus to our benefit. He gets the US positioning has fuck all to do with how these people think - we are nit the center of their universe, mind blowing I know.
Posted by: Heart of Darkness at September 17, 2020 05:06 PM (nFRLh)
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They are also made up of the trash and human waste
from every other nearby Arabic nation, and a hand full of mostly nomadic
Arabic people who lived in the area of Israel before the nation was
reformed in the 50s.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 17, 2020 04:54 PM (KZzsI)
Israel declared independence in 1948, and was a mostly functioning country before that.
And the nomads were the Bedouin, who are still around, and some are even still nomadic.
from every other nearby Arabic nation, and a hand full of mostly nomadic
Arabic people who lived in the area of Israel before the nation was
reformed in the 50s.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 17, 2020 04:54 PM (KZzsI)
Israel declared independence in 1948, and was a mostly functioning country before that.
And the nomads were the Bedouin, who are still around, and some are even still nomadic.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 17, 2020 05:07 PM (xT2tT)
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Just announced. Trump to announce up to $14 Billion in new aid to farmers and ranchers.
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Low Glycemic Souls at September 17, 2020 04:41 PM (Wm5SB)
Moar corn for fuel should solve that...get on the gravy train
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Low Glycemic Souls at September 17, 2020 04:41 PM (Wm5SB)
Moar corn for fuel should solve that...get on the gravy train
Posted by: A dude in MI at September 17, 2020 05:07 PM (/6GbT)
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Oh, and what's a 'palestinian?'
Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at September 17, 2020 05:07 PM (Zz0t1)
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Israel will turn on us only when the commie left seizes power there. Otherwise they have been one of our most reliable allies, if not the most.
Posted by: ... at September 17, 2020 05:07 PM (uEbPt)
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Now go get daddy's belt.
Palis: ........ Yes daddy.
Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at September 17, 2020 04:59 PM (Vxu+H)
He can be a mean ol' daddy, sometime.
Palis: ........ Yes daddy.
Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at September 17, 2020 04:59 PM (Vxu+H)
He can be a mean ol' daddy, sometime.
Posted by: Braenyard at September 17, 2020 05:07 PM (jy41H)
Posted by: nurse ratched at September 17, 2020 05:07 PM (W2Pud)
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The Historic Abraham Accords Are Exciting, And This is Why They ARE Everything:
Anyone who has watched the Middle East closely has known that for the last 40 years, a grand war has been looming, one which had the potential to drag all of the Major World Powers into it - the US, China, Russia, the Europeans. This is because it would have been centered on control of the vast majority of the world's oil resources, and hence the worlds economy. We may forget this, but this was a *Lot* bigger than the Isreali question has been, although that of course was important. This could easily have been the flashpoint for WW3 - several prominent students of the region thought it would be.
What I refer to was the building grand war between the Sunni and the Shia, roughly being the Saudi-led bloc and the Iranian led block. Iran has been working for years to encircle the Saudi's by starting proxy wars in Yemen and taking over Lebanon, through Hezbollah. This is what most of the fighting in Syria was about, with ISIS being the big Joker in the deck.
And now, suddenly, that war we've feared for 40 years now isn't going to happen. The threat is over, Trump and Prince Salman and Bibi Netenyehu, all working together for their own purposes, have neutralized it. This actually does mean True Peace in the middle east, for the most part. Oh, Iran will still cause trouble, that's who they are, but they don't dare lash out anymore. When a nation attacks, they want to attack into chaos, into confusion. But now Iran is facing a new military alliance of the Gulf States, Saudi, Egypt, Israel, and the US, all ready to act in concert with each other and provide defense in depth. No way do they dare strike that - they've been put back in their box for at least a generation, if not two.
This is what Peace in our Time actually looks like. Not an empty promise, but the Real Thing.
Anyone who has watched the Middle East closely has known that for the last 40 years, a grand war has been looming, one which had the potential to drag all of the Major World Powers into it - the US, China, Russia, the Europeans. This is because it would have been centered on control of the vast majority of the world's oil resources, and hence the worlds economy. We may forget this, but this was a *Lot* bigger than the Isreali question has been, although that of course was important. This could easily have been the flashpoint for WW3 - several prominent students of the region thought it would be.
What I refer to was the building grand war between the Sunni and the Shia, roughly being the Saudi-led bloc and the Iranian led block. Iran has been working for years to encircle the Saudi's by starting proxy wars in Yemen and taking over Lebanon, through Hezbollah. This is what most of the fighting in Syria was about, with ISIS being the big Joker in the deck.
And now, suddenly, that war we've feared for 40 years now isn't going to happen. The threat is over, Trump and Prince Salman and Bibi Netenyehu, all working together for their own purposes, have neutralized it. This actually does mean True Peace in the middle east, for the most part. Oh, Iran will still cause trouble, that's who they are, but they don't dare lash out anymore. When a nation attacks, they want to attack into chaos, into confusion. But now Iran is facing a new military alliance of the Gulf States, Saudi, Egypt, Israel, and the US, all ready to act in concert with each other and provide defense in depth. No way do they dare strike that - they've been put back in their box for at least a generation, if not two.
This is what Peace in our Time actually looks like. Not an empty promise, but the Real Thing.
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 17, 2020 05:08 PM (Kpl3J)
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So Joe says he's not gonna deport any illegals unless they are felons... Catering much Joe? The Hispanics I've met, the ones here legally, aren't that happy with illegals
Posted by: It's me donna at September 17, 2020 05:08 PM (Zmnko)
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Especially after whats his name stopped fucking her brains out.
Posted by: fixerupper at September 17, 2020 05:06 PM (8XRCm)
Wait, someone was hitting that?
Ewwwwww.
Especially after whats his name stopped fucking her brains out.
Posted by: fixerupper at September 17, 2020 05:06 PM (8XRCm)
Wait, someone was hitting that?
Ewwwwww.
Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at September 17, 2020 05:08 PM (Zz0t1)
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I bet the journalists in Ben Rhodes' echo chamber and journalists defending Cuties is a near perfect circle.
Posted by: buzzion at September 17, 2020 05:05 PM (vMCab)
It's what's known in the industry as "a circle jerk."
Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at September 17, 2020 05:05 PM (Zz0t1)
also known as "27 year old DC reporter".
I bet the journalists in Ben Rhodes' echo chamber and journalists defending Cuties is a near perfect circle.
Posted by: buzzion at September 17, 2020 05:05 PM (vMCab)
It's what's known in the industry as "a circle jerk."
Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at September 17, 2020 05:05 PM (Zz0t1)
also known as "27 year old DC reporter".
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at September 17, 2020 05:08 PM (sy5kK)
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168 >>History has a weird way of surprising you. What if Anne Frank grew up to be a East German True Believer and that it was she that kept the Soviet Union intact and The Red Menace ultimately defeated the United States in 2039.
Never happen.
Zager and Evans would have warned us in time.
Posted by: garrett at September 17, 2020 05:03 PM (/+EQG)
Well one of the problems is that since she was born in Frankfurt, and hiding in the Netherlands, she would likely have been living in the Netherlands or West Germany had she survived.
Never happen.
Zager and Evans would have warned us in time.
Posted by: garrett at September 17, 2020 05:03 PM (/+EQG)
Well one of the problems is that since she was born in Frankfurt, and hiding in the Netherlands, she would likely have been living in the Netherlands or West Germany had she survived.
Posted by: buzzion at September 17, 2020 05:08 PM (vMCab)
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Only two ways to solve the Palestinian problem, wipe them out or move them all to Manhattan.
Posted by: Skip at September 17, 2020 05:09 PM (OjZpE)
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also known as "27 year old DC reporter".
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at September 17, 2020 05:08 PM (sy5kK)
Elephant walk?
also known as "27 year old DC reporter".
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at September 17, 2020 05:08 PM (sy5kK)
Elephant walk?
Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at September 17, 2020 05:09 PM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: Prime sistah at September 17, 2020 05:09 PM (tQL7r)
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Unfortunately, there are only two ways of solving "The Palestinian Problem."
The first, extermination, is a non-starter, of course.
Wut?
Unfortunately, there are only two ways of solving "The Palestinian Problem."
The first, extermination, is a non-starter, of course.
Wut?
Posted by: The Daleks at September 17, 2020 05:09 PM (ufFY8)
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Does anyone have an email for this guy (the Diplomad)? If he was at State for 34 years (and an FSO) he probably knew my father.
Posted by: SFGoth at September 17, 2020 05:10 PM (KAi1n)
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No, nothing will end the Muslim world's hatred of Jews (and by extension, Israel and Israel's supporters) because it's a feature of the Koran.
The Koran its self is kind of schizophrenic about Jews. They are "people of the book" and to be respected for their ancestry through Abraham, but at the same time are called a lot of insulting names and said to be cast out horribly by Allah if they will not convert.
Most of the really virulent Jew-hate comes from the later stuff, particularly the teachings of Wahhabi and mullahs who continually add to the Koran.
Just the Koran alone is a mess and contradictory but its less crazy and horrible than the crap that's been added on later.
The Koran its self is kind of schizophrenic about Jews. They are "people of the book" and to be respected for their ancestry through Abraham, but at the same time are called a lot of insulting names and said to be cast out horribly by Allah if they will not convert.
Most of the really virulent Jew-hate comes from the later stuff, particularly the teachings of Wahhabi and mullahs who continually add to the Koran.
Just the Koran alone is a mess and contradictory but its less crazy and horrible than the crap that's been added on later.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 17, 2020 05:10 PM (KZzsI)
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I suspect there is intel, now shared with allies in the ME about Iran's nuke program that have "recalibrated" the thinking among some Arab states.
I will give Trump kudos for moving this process forward, unlike that shit stain, jug eared mutherfucker.
I will give Trump kudos for moving this process forward, unlike that shit stain, jug eared mutherfucker.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 17, 2020 05:10 PM (3H9h1)
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Trump triangulated Palestine out of significance, where before Palestine was the obsessive focus. No one else would have done that.
Posted by: Ordinary American at September 17, 2020 05:10 PM (H8QX8)
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Taters going in at 425 in the oven. Pressure cooker doing it's magic.
Posted by: Ok at September 17, 2020 05:11 PM (84y86)
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And all this time, I thought it was called a Venn diagram.
Who knew?
Posted by: Prime sistah at September 17, 2020 05:09 PM (tQL7r)
In the liberal world, if it were a Venn Diagram, it would be a single circle, so.....
And all this time, I thought it was called a Venn diagram.
Who knew?
Posted by: Prime sistah at September 17, 2020 05:09 PM (tQL7r)
In the liberal world, if it were a Venn Diagram, it would be a single circle, so.....
Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at September 17, 2020 05:11 PM (Zz0t1)
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The Palestinians are slipping into irrelevancy. One can hope! Anyhow I can see this as a cascade of the unification of the axis opposed to Iran.
Posted by: USNtakim at September 17, 2020 05:11 PM (0OmEj)
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The Palistinians will still be a pile of sniveling garbage, it's just that their financing will come out of Iran and Turkey. But things are going to be a lot tighter for them.
Posted by: Minuteman at September 17, 2020 05:00 PM (cASgE)
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I believe there's still $50 BILLION in investments available to them if they'll just kick out Hamas/Hezbollah and accept peace with Israel.
Posted by: Minuteman at September 17, 2020 05:00 PM (cASgE)
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I believe there's still $50 BILLION in investments available to them if they'll just kick out Hamas/Hezbollah and accept peace with Israel.
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis at September 17, 2020 05:12 PM (sWM8x)
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Does anyone have an email for this guy (the Diplomad)? If he was at State for 34 years (and an FSO) he probably knew my father.
Posted by: SFGoth at September 17, 2020 05:10 PM (KAi1n)
I am your father.
Posted by: SFGoth at September 17, 2020 05:10 PM (KAi1n)
I am your father.
Posted by: Darth at September 17, 2020 05:12 PM (Zz0t1)
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185 Oh, and what's a 'palestinian?'
Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at September 17, 2020 05:07 PM (Zz0
A fake people living in Israel that only claim that name because the Jews really pissed off Hadrian.
Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at September 17, 2020 05:07 PM (Zz0
A fake people living in Israel that only claim that name because the Jews really pissed off Hadrian.
Posted by: buzzion at September 17, 2020 05:13 PM (vMCab)
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at September 17, 2020 05:13 PM (oVJmc)
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>>>Unfortunately, there are only two ways of solving "The Palestinian Problem."
More American money and more Israeli land should solve the problem.
More American money and more Israeli land should solve the problem.
Posted by: Jimmy Carter at September 17, 2020 05:13 PM (/Dgcm)
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i love the taste of good foods.
Posted by: Ok at September 17, 2020 05:13 PM (84y86)
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CBD: He didn't solve the "Palestinian" problem...
If enough of the Arabs make peace with Israel, it will be "What Palestinian problem?", then eventually "What's a Palestinian?". It would be a fitting end for those who for 70+ years "never missed an opportunity to miss an opportunity for peace".
If enough of the Arabs make peace with Israel, it will be "What Palestinian problem?", then eventually "What's a Palestinian?". It would be a fitting end for those who for 70+ years "never missed an opportunity to miss an opportunity for peace".
Posted by: cool breeze at September 17, 2020 05:14 PM (UGKMd)
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I am broadcasting from Turkey. Funny, eh?
Posted by: Ok at September 17, 2020 05:14 PM (84y86)
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Trump triangulated Palestine out of significance, where before Palestine was the obsessive focus.
I think that is one of the advantage of him being basically an outsider. He doesn't share the presuppositions and baggage of previous insider political types.
For 50 years its been assumed that nothing is possible in the middle east without the pallys being appeased or approving. Trump saw past that in a way that entrenched fossilized thinkers would not.
Will it work? I dunno. Probably not, human nature being what it is. I mean, Bush's audacious scheme in Iraq could have worked, but way too many people with way too much influence and money wanted it not to for a variety of reasons. All it takes is the next president being an Obama type who wants an Iranian Caliphate controlling the Middle East in some delusion of stability and ethnic justice, and it all gets torn down overnight.
I think that is one of the advantage of him being basically an outsider. He doesn't share the presuppositions and baggage of previous insider political types.
For 50 years its been assumed that nothing is possible in the middle east without the pallys being appeased or approving. Trump saw past that in a way that entrenched fossilized thinkers would not.
Will it work? I dunno. Probably not, human nature being what it is. I mean, Bush's audacious scheme in Iraq could have worked, but way too many people with way too much influence and money wanted it not to for a variety of reasons. All it takes is the next president being an Obama type who wants an Iranian Caliphate controlling the Middle East in some delusion of stability and ethnic justice, and it all gets torn down overnight.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 17, 2020 05:14 PM (KZzsI)
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Does anyone have an email for this guy (the Diplomad)? If he was at State for 34 years (and an FSO) he probably knew my father.
Posted by: SFGoth
His blog is:
https://thediplomad.blogspot.com/
I don't see an e-mail address on that site, but I suppose you could catch his attention in the comments to his latest article.
Posted by: SFGoth
His blog is:
https://thediplomad.blogspot.com/
I don't see an e-mail address on that site, but I suppose you could catch his attention in the comments to his latest article.
Posted by: Sharkman at September 17, 2020 05:14 PM (BM2fS)
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"You should vote for Trump," Joe Biden tells @CosechaMovement protester Carlos Rojas at tonight's town hall in Greenwood, S.C.
Rojas and other protesters from the group were criticizing Obama-era deportations and asked Biden to say he'd end all deportations - which he rejected. pic.twitter.com/od188WIlrQ
- Eric Bradner (@ericbradner) November 22, 2019
IN BIDEN'S TOWN HALL, they start chanting "Not one more deportation."
Fuck off.
GO legal or GO HOME.
Rojas and other protesters from the group were criticizing Obama-era deportations and asked Biden to say he'd end all deportations - which he rejected. pic.twitter.com/od188WIlrQ
- Eric Bradner (@ericbradner) November 22, 2019
IN BIDEN'S TOWN HALL, they start chanting "Not one more deportation."
Fuck off.
GO legal or GO HOME.
Posted by: Darth at September 17, 2020 05:15 PM (Zz0t1)
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Crap.
Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at September 17, 2020 05:15 PM (Zz0t1)
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" 194 Only two ways to solve the Palestinian problem, wipe them out or move them all to Manhattan."
Let's wait until after the national divorce. In the mean time the can stay in their open air prison.
Let's wait until after the national divorce. In the mean time the can stay in their open air prison.
Posted by: lowandslow at September 17, 2020 05:15 PM (4thlk)
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199 No, nothing will end the Muslim world's hatred of Jews (and by extension, Israel and Israel's supporters) because it's a feature of the Koran.
The Koran its self is kind of schizophrenic about Jews. They are "people of the book" and to be respected for their ancestry through Abraham, but at the same time are called a lot of insulting names and said to be cast out horribly by Allah if they will not convert.
Most of the really virulent Jew-hate comes from the later stuff, particularly the teachings of Wahhabi and mullahs who continually add to the Koran.
Just the Koran alone is a mess and contradictory but its less crazy and horrible than the crap that's been added on later.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 17, 2020 05:10 PM (KZzsI)
...
Mohammed wanted to be accepted as a religious scholar, in the same way that the Jewish and Christian religious leaders of his area had influence.
He learned, a bit, their stories, and tried to imitate them. When what he produced was rejected as heresy by both Jews and Christians, he turned on them.
Hence in early places he says to go to "The Book" for answers to questions not in his recitations, but later says to kill us.
The Koran its self is kind of schizophrenic about Jews. They are "people of the book" and to be respected for their ancestry through Abraham, but at the same time are called a lot of insulting names and said to be cast out horribly by Allah if they will not convert.
Most of the really virulent Jew-hate comes from the later stuff, particularly the teachings of Wahhabi and mullahs who continually add to the Koran.
Just the Koran alone is a mess and contradictory but its less crazy and horrible than the crap that's been added on later.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 17, 2020 05:10 PM (KZzsI)
...
Mohammed wanted to be accepted as a religious scholar, in the same way that the Jewish and Christian religious leaders of his area had influence.
He learned, a bit, their stories, and tried to imitate them. When what he produced was rejected as heresy by both Jews and Christians, he turned on them.
Hence in early places he says to go to "The Book" for answers to questions not in his recitations, but later says to kill us.
Posted by: TexasDan at September 17, 2020 05:15 PM (yL25O)
Posted by: Prime sistah at September 17, 2020 05:16 PM (tQL7r)
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What's YOUR truth?
Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at September 17, 2020 04:57 PM (Zz0t1)
Is yours the same as mine?
Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at September 17, 2020 04:57 PM (Zz0t1)
Is yours the same as mine?
Posted by: Pontius Pilate at September 17, 2020 05:16 PM (ufFY8)
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203
And all this time, I thought it was called a Venn diagram.
Who knew?
Posted by: Prime sistah at September 17, 2020 05:09 PM (tQL7r)
In the liberal world, if it were a Venn Diagram, it would be a single circle, so.....
Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at September 17, 2020 05:11 PM (Zz0t1)
I got ahead of myself in typing and meant to sat that the venn diagram is a near perfect circle.
And all this time, I thought it was called a Venn diagram.
Who knew?
Posted by: Prime sistah at September 17, 2020 05:09 PM (tQL7r)
In the liberal world, if it were a Venn Diagram, it would be a single circle, so.....
Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at September 17, 2020 05:11 PM (Zz0t1)
I got ahead of myself in typing and meant to sat that the venn diagram is a near perfect circle.
Posted by: buzzion at September 17, 2020 05:16 PM (vMCab)
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I believe there's still $50 BILLION in investments available to them if they'll just kick out Hamas/Hezbollah and accept peace with Israel.
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis
Unfortunately, Hamas and Hezbollah have such a tight grip on that society that it will be suicide for anyone to attempt to kick them out.
Of course, suicide is also just about the only option for most people who are born into "palestine", so perhaps someone will eventually get together with some other brave folks and do what must be done.
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis
Unfortunately, Hamas and Hezbollah have such a tight grip on that society that it will be suicide for anyone to attempt to kick them out.
Of course, suicide is also just about the only option for most people who are born into "palestine", so perhaps someone will eventually get together with some other brave folks and do what must be done.
Posted by: Sharkman at September 17, 2020 05:16 PM (BM2fS)
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I agree with most of this, CBD. Ultimately the Palestinian Problem is not going to be solved until the Palestinians stop being the aggressors.
This is a very good start though. It would have been very easy for the Arab League to ignore everything as a way to keep pressure on Israel. That they are coming to the table like this, individually sure but still coming, is a pretty significant breakthrough. Just like they did not have to worry about Palestinians, they also did not have much reason to care about Israel.
This is a very good start though. It would have been very easy for the Arab League to ignore everything as a way to keep pressure on Israel. That they are coming to the table like this, individually sure but still coming, is a pretty significant breakthrough. Just like they did not have to worry about Palestinians, they also did not have much reason to care about Israel.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at September 17, 2020 05:16 PM (4k/Uz)
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Sorry for harping on this PA Supreme Court decision but read a little more and I'm even more stunned then before.
You see the petitioner didn't even ask the Court for ballots with no post marks to be accepted. They just threw it in for free.
The decision:
"ballots mailed by voters via the United States Postal Service and postmarked by 8:00p.m. on Election Day , November 3, 2020, shall be counted if they are otherwise valid and received by the county boards of election on or before 5:00 p.m. on November 6, 2020; ballots received within this period that lack a postmark or other proof of mailing, or for which the postmark or other proof of mailing is illegible, will be presumed to have been mailed by Election Day unless a preponderance of the evidence demonstrates that it was mailed after Election Day"
Here's the request for relief:
In Count 2, Petitioner sought an injunction to "lift the deadline in the Election Code across the state to Allow any ballot postmarked by 8:00 p.m. on Election Night to be counted if it is received by the Boards" by 5:00 p.m. on Tuesday, November 10, which is
the deadline for ballots to be received under the Federal Uniformed and Overseas Citizens Absentee Voting Act ("UOCAVA")
Update: You've got to be kidding. The court's using the Military-Overseas ballot standard for their basis for no postmark for every PA voter.
You see the petitioner didn't even ask the Court for ballots with no post marks to be accepted. They just threw it in for free.
The decision:
"ballots mailed by voters via the United States Postal Service and postmarked by 8:00p.m. on Election Day , November 3, 2020, shall be counted if they are otherwise valid and received by the county boards of election on or before 5:00 p.m. on November 6, 2020; ballots received within this period that lack a postmark or other proof of mailing, or for which the postmark or other proof of mailing is illegible, will be presumed to have been mailed by Election Day unless a preponderance of the evidence demonstrates that it was mailed after Election Day"
Here's the request for relief:
In Count 2, Petitioner sought an injunction to "lift the deadline in the Election Code across the state to Allow any ballot postmarked by 8:00 p.m. on Election Night to be counted if it is received by the Boards" by 5:00 p.m. on Tuesday, November 10, which is
the deadline for ballots to be received under the Federal Uniformed and Overseas Citizens Absentee Voting Act ("UOCAVA")
Update: You've got to be kidding. The court's using the Military-Overseas ballot standard for their basis for no postmark for every PA voter.
Posted by: WisRich at September 17, 2020 05:17 PM (G0vdT)
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The Koran its self is kind of schizophrenic about Jews.
That's because there are two Korans. The first one was written in Mecca, when Mohammed felt kindly towards the Jews. The second Koran was written in Medina after he got kicked out of his own home town and started forcibly converting people by conquest instead of proselytizing. As anything Mohammed wrote was incontrovertible, if he wrote about a subject more than once, the youngest (last) reference will always be the "true" one. However, it's very convenient to refer to the older writings when pulling the wool over the eyes of us stupid nonbelievers. Not that we need to be told the truth anyway, what with shortly being made dead and all.
That's because there are two Korans. The first one was written in Mecca, when Mohammed felt kindly towards the Jews. The second Koran was written in Medina after he got kicked out of his own home town and started forcibly converting people by conquest instead of proselytizing. As anything Mohammed wrote was incontrovertible, if he wrote about a subject more than once, the youngest (last) reference will always be the "true" one. However, it's very convenient to refer to the older writings when pulling the wool over the eyes of us stupid nonbelievers. Not that we need to be told the truth anyway, what with shortly being made dead and all.
Posted by: tankascribe at September 17, 2020 05:17 PM (YgZrL)
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Sorry to go way of OT but I'm shopping around for a good conceal carry purse. Any ettes have one and can give some guidance?
Posted by: Jewells45 at September 17, 2020 05:18 PM (dUJdY)
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Most of the really virulent Jew-hate comes from the later stuff, particularly the teachings of Wahhabi and mullahs who continually add to the Koran.
Just the Koran alone is a mess and contradictory but its less crazy and horrible than the crap that's been added on later.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 17, 2020 05:10 PM (KZzsI)
Agreed - and it's easy for us in the west to forget how top-down the Arab societies are, especially the Saudis. The King controls the Imams, and when the Order comes out to start speaking much more nicely about the Jews, that happens across the board. (it's already happening) The Arabs are people who need to be led, and who, for better and for worse, will for the most part do what they're told to do, and believe what they're told to believe.
Thinking for oneself is not a quality which is very highly regarded in the Arab world.
Just the Koran alone is a mess and contradictory but its less crazy and horrible than the crap that's been added on later.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 17, 2020 05:10 PM (KZzsI)
Agreed - and it's easy for us in the west to forget how top-down the Arab societies are, especially the Saudis. The King controls the Imams, and when the Order comes out to start speaking much more nicely about the Jews, that happens across the board. (it's already happening) The Arabs are people who need to be led, and who, for better and for worse, will for the most part do what they're told to do, and believe what they're told to believe.
Thinking for oneself is not a quality which is very highly regarded in the Arab world.
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 17, 2020 05:18 PM (Kpl3J)
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He learned, a bit, their stories, and tried to imitate them. When what he produced was rejected as heresy by both Jews and Christians, he turned on them.
He got really mad at Jews after they rejected him as the new Religious Leader and didn't turn Jerusalem over to him as the center of the earth and his faith. He literally expected them to join him, or if not then his rag tag crew of losers could conquer Jerusalem, one of the toughest fortresses in the world to crack. They didn't and he didn't.
He did not take that well. So he "conquered" a little crossroads nowhere that wasn't fortified and declared it the holy center of the world.
He got really mad at Jews after they rejected him as the new Religious Leader and didn't turn Jerusalem over to him as the center of the earth and his faith. He literally expected them to join him, or if not then his rag tag crew of losers could conquer Jerusalem, one of the toughest fortresses in the world to crack. They didn't and he didn't.
He did not take that well. So he "conquered" a little crossroads nowhere that wasn't fortified and declared it the holy center of the world.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 17, 2020 05:18 PM (KZzsI)
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The Koran is contradictory, certainly, but in plain reading most religious texts are.
Christianity has a way to cut through all of that, via the Pope saying what the text means, resolve the contradictions, and have it be held as dogma.
Islam needs a Pope.
Christianity has a way to cut through all of that, via the Pope saying what the text means, resolve the contradictions, and have it be held as dogma.
Islam needs a Pope.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at September 17, 2020 05:18 PM (4k/Uz)
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Just more of the Color Revolution....
The state Supreme Court, which has a 5-2 Democratic majority, granted the Democratic Party's request to order a three-day extension of Pennsylvania's Election Day deadline to count mailed-in ballots. And it ruled that the Green Party's candidate for president did not strictly follow procedures for getting on the ballot in November and cannot appear on it.
Ballots that are eligible to be counted must be postmarked by the time polls close and be received by county election boards at 5 p.m. on Nov. 6, three days after the Nov. 3 election. Republicans have opposed changing that deadline.
Most states make Election Day the deadline, but 18 states - about half of which backed President Donald Trump in the 2016 election - have a post-Election Day deadline.
The state Supreme Court, which has a 5-2 Democratic majority, granted the Democratic Party's request to order a three-day extension of Pennsylvania's Election Day deadline to count mailed-in ballots. And it ruled that the Green Party's candidate for president did not strictly follow procedures for getting on the ballot in November and cannot appear on it.
Ballots that are eligible to be counted must be postmarked by the time polls close and be received by county election boards at 5 p.m. on Nov. 6, three days after the Nov. 3 election. Republicans have opposed changing that deadline.
Most states make Election Day the deadline, but 18 states - about half of which backed President Donald Trump in the 2016 election - have a post-Election Day deadline.
Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at September 17, 2020 05:19 PM (Zz0t1)
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You should vote for Trump," Joe Biden tells @CosechaMovement protester Carlos Rojas at tonight's town hall in Greenwood, S.C.
Punchy - Winning the election on voter at a time...
Punchy - Winning the election on voter at a time...
Posted by: Boswell at September 17, 2020 05:19 PM (w2LAm)
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However, it's very convenient to refer to the older writings when pulling the wool over the eyes of us stupid nonbelievers. Not that we need to be told the truth anyway, what with shortly being made dead and all.
That and we all know about the apocalypse in the Koran with trees screeching that there are Jews hiding behind them and all that.
That and we all know about the apocalypse in the Koran with trees screeching that there are Jews hiding behind them and all that.
Posted by: Ian S. at September 17, 2020 05:20 PM (6XLoz)
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"You should vote for Trump," Joe Biden tells @CosechaMovement protester Carlos Rojas at tonight's town hall in Greenwood, S.C.
Carl the Red.
Carl the Red.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at September 17, 2020 05:20 PM (oVJmc)
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You solve the "Palestinian Problem" by making peace with everyone else.
Posted by: Dr Spank at September 17, 2020 05:20 PM (woo48)
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Update: You've got to be kidding. The court's using the Military-Overseas ballot standard for their basis for no postmark for every PA voter.
Posted by: WisRich
It's a disaster, but at least they cut it off at 3 days after the election.
California-Style Ballot Harvesting really only works when you can fuck around finding box after box of new ballots for weeks after an election.
We'll see. I'm not happy about this, but at least there is SOME limit to the jiggery-pokery.
Posted by: WisRich
It's a disaster, but at least they cut it off at 3 days after the election.
California-Style Ballot Harvesting really only works when you can fuck around finding box after box of new ballots for weeks after an election.
We'll see. I'm not happy about this, but at least there is SOME limit to the jiggery-pokery.
Posted by: Sharkman at September 17, 2020 05:20 PM (BM2fS)
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He gets the US positioning has fuck all to do with how these people think - we are nit the center of their universe, mind blowing I know.
Posted by: Heart of Darkness at September 17, 2020 05:06 PM (nFRLh)
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Obama not only gave them the "10 year pause" fig-leaf, but then told Europe and China ina public freakin' letter that we would not enforce any sanctions even if they did violate the JCPOA.
"US positioning," in this case, was giving them the go-ahead to build a nuke. Period.
And that go-ahead meant that rapprochement with the Jews became an immediate, pressing need for the Arabs.
Barry built that.
He gets the US positioning has fuck all to do with how these people think - we are nit the center of their universe, mind blowing I know.
Posted by: Heart of Darkness at September 17, 2020 05:06 PM (nFRLh)
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Obama not only gave them the "10 year pause" fig-leaf, but then told Europe and China ina public freakin' letter that we would not enforce any sanctions even if they did violate the JCPOA.
"US positioning," in this case, was giving them the go-ahead to build a nuke. Period.
And that go-ahead meant that rapprochement with the Jews became an immediate, pressing need for the Arabs.
Barry built that.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 17, 2020 05:21 PM (jbllq)
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As anything Mohammed wrote was incontrovertible, if he wrote about a subject more than once, the youngest (last) reference will always be the "true" one.
Yeah the abrogation thing is... interesting, to say the least. You ignore contradictory passages from the past and take the latest, because perfect and infallible Muhammad changed his mind, or something.
Plus, there were many different copies of the Koran, because he kept changing his mind when he wrote and forgot what he'd said before, and there is considerable evidence the man was hearing voices in his head and crazy. The "one true" version we have now isn't the same as some of the older, preserved copies which they don't want anyone to see any longer.
Yeah the abrogation thing is... interesting, to say the least. You ignore contradictory passages from the past and take the latest, because perfect and infallible Muhammad changed his mind, or something.
Plus, there were many different copies of the Koran, because he kept changing his mind when he wrote and forgot what he'd said before, and there is considerable evidence the man was hearing voices in his head and crazy. The "one true" version we have now isn't the same as some of the older, preserved copies which they don't want anyone to see any longer.
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And it ruled that the Green Party's candidate for president did not strictly follow procedures for getting on the ballot in November and cannot appear on it.
Which usually takes votes from the dems...
Which usually takes votes from the dems...
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Update: You've got to be kidding. The court's using the Military-Overseas ballot standard for their basis for no postmark for every PA voter.
Posted by: WisRich at September 17, 2020 05:17 PM (G0vdT)
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Oh gawd . The military system did not use postmarks. This was for guys in a damn war zone who had their ballots sent in via the military system to stateside,
IIRC. That does not mean that you can overlay that system to the US postal service which uses stamps and postmarks.
Posted by: WisRich at September 17, 2020 05:17 PM (G0vdT)
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Oh gawd . The military system did not use postmarks. This was for guys in a damn war zone who had their ballots sent in via the military system to stateside,
IIRC. That does not mean that you can overlay that system to the US postal service which uses stamps and postmarks.
Posted by: Greange at September 17, 2020 05:21 PM (Fq8xE)
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Just received a letter from Illinois Secretary of State reminding me that I have not yet returned an application for a vote by mail ballot. I'm sure there's nothing to worry about. Damn, when I think about all that's about to be lost forever.
Posted by: Old Dude at September 17, 2020 05:22 PM (LGXGf)
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239 And it ruled that the Green Party's candidate for president did not strictly follow procedures for getting on the ballot in November and cannot appear on it.
Which usually takes votes from the dems...
Posted by: It's me donna at September 17, 2020 05:21 PM (Zmnko)
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Did the same thing in WI.
Which usually takes votes from the dems...
Posted by: It's me donna at September 17, 2020 05:21 PM (Zmnko)
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Did the same thing in WI.
Posted by: WisRich at September 17, 2020 05:22 PM (G0vdT)
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Did the same thing in WI.
Posted by: WisRich at September 17, 2020 05:22 PM (G0vdT)
The fix is in
Did the same thing in WI.
Posted by: WisRich at September 17, 2020 05:22 PM (G0vdT)
The fix is in
Posted by: It's me donna at September 17, 2020 05:23 PM (Zmnko)
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230 The Koran is contradictory, certainly, but in plain reading most religious texts are.
Christianity has a way to cut through all of that, via the Pope saying what the text means, resolve the contradictions, and have it be held as dogma.
Islam needs a Pope.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at September 17, 2020 05:18 PM (4k/Uz)
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Not remotely.
I defy anyone to read the Old or New Testament, and read the Koran, and say they are similar in any way in terms of coherence.
There may be difficult concepts in the Bible; the Koran is just a landfill of words.
Note that Muslims do not go to "Koran studies" the way Christians do "bible studies". Because you cannot study the Koran. It cannot be understood.
They really focus on the idea that the words are perfect in and of themselves, and in the chanting of those words.
Christianity has a way to cut through all of that, via the Pope saying what the text means, resolve the contradictions, and have it be held as dogma.
Islam needs a Pope.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at September 17, 2020 05:18 PM (4k/Uz)
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Not remotely.
I defy anyone to read the Old or New Testament, and read the Koran, and say they are similar in any way in terms of coherence.
There may be difficult concepts in the Bible; the Koran is just a landfill of words.
Note that Muslims do not go to "Koran studies" the way Christians do "bible studies". Because you cannot study the Koran. It cannot be understood.
They really focus on the idea that the words are perfect in and of themselves, and in the chanting of those words.
Posted by: TexasDan at September 17, 2020 05:23 PM (yL25O)
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Most states make Election Day the deadline, but 18 states - about half of which backed President Donald Trump in the 2016 election - have a post-Election Day deadline.
The US Constitution in no uncertain terms states that the election is to be held on x date without exceptions. Judges have over time more and more taken a... nuanced view to this, and decided that meant "well more or less within a few weeks of that time, as long as you count it all at once." And now the counting doesn't even have to take place on the same day.
The US Constitution in no uncertain terms states that the election is to be held on x date without exceptions. Judges have over time more and more taken a... nuanced view to this, and decided that meant "well more or less within a few weeks of that time, as long as you count it all at once." And now the counting doesn't even have to take place on the same day.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 17, 2020 05:23 PM (KZzsI)
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Catholicism needs a Pope.
Posted by: JAS at September 17, 2020 05:23 PM (2BZBZ)
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If anyone thinks neoconservatives are finally placated, please lend me your wallet. I'll watch it scrupulously.
Posted by: some guy out west at September 17, 2020 05:24 PM (XpDOS)
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at September 17, 2020 05:24 PM (2lndx)
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There may be difficult concepts in the Bible; the Koran is just a landfill of words.
Some of it is pretty good. A bunch is just rewritten Bible passages by someone with a poor memory. A large chunk is just Arabic traditional culture written as if God declared it so. The last few chapters are all about how horrible women are, presumably the result of Muhammad having a zillion screechy wives all trying to take control.
Some of it is pretty good. A bunch is just rewritten Bible passages by someone with a poor memory. A large chunk is just Arabic traditional culture written as if God declared it so. The last few chapters are all about how horrible women are, presumably the result of Muhammad having a zillion screechy wives all trying to take control.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 17, 2020 05:24 PM (KZzsI)
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Random realization... Watched the Shoeonhead vid from previous thread, and saw no ring on her finger. Did research. She and ArmoredSkeptic broke up during the summer, I had no idea! I'm always the last to know, sigh. Wishing them both well.
Posted by: LizLem at September 17, 2020 05:25 PM (Rbfr/)
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Will it work? I dunno. Probably not, human nature being what it is. I mean, Bush's audacious scheme in Iraq could have worked, but way too many people with way too much influence and money wanted it not to for a variety of reasons. All it takes is the next president being an Obama type who wants an Iranian Caliphate controlling the Middle East in some delusion of stability and ethnic justice, and it all gets torn down overnight.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 17, 2020 05:14 PM (KZzsI)
I disagree that it can be torn down that easily, and I think that's why so many on the left are spitting nails about it. Once the Gulf Arabs and the Saudi's and the Israeli's align, it is going to be very hard for the US to break them apart. Especially since the Saudis and the Israelis together have enough Air Power to stop the Iranians cold if they try anything, even without US help.
Also, I think the Bush plan's fatal flaw was that it assumed that the Arab world wanted Democracy just like us, and that they were sufficiently advanced to be able to handle it. They're not. Arab countries need autocratic rulers with enough power to keep each tribe from trying to kill every other tribe whenever they think they can get away with it. A democratic form of government will always fail there.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 17, 2020 05:14 PM (KZzsI)
I disagree that it can be torn down that easily, and I think that's why so many on the left are spitting nails about it. Once the Gulf Arabs and the Saudi's and the Israeli's align, it is going to be very hard for the US to break them apart. Especially since the Saudis and the Israelis together have enough Air Power to stop the Iranians cold if they try anything, even without US help.
Also, I think the Bush plan's fatal flaw was that it assumed that the Arab world wanted Democracy just like us, and that they were sufficiently advanced to be able to handle it. They're not. Arab countries need autocratic rulers with enough power to keep each tribe from trying to kill every other tribe whenever they think they can get away with it. A democratic form of government will always fail there.
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 17, 2020 05:25 PM (Kpl3J)
Posted by: Rioting Genius at September 17, 2020 05:25 PM (PtOP4)
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Posted by: SFGoth at September 17, 2020 05:10 PM
He often gets messages from old colleagues
He often gets messages from old colleagues
Posted by: Skip at September 17, 2020 05:25 PM (OjZpE)
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Hi Everybody!
Posted by: Dr. Nick Riviera at September 17, 2020 05:25 PM (kcUAC)
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Don't forget all the Ecumenical Councils the Catholic Church has had over the 2 millenium deciding various and sundry issues. e.g. The Theotokos.
Posted by: JAS at September 17, 2020 05:25 PM (2BZBZ)
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The Horde is quick today.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at September 17, 2020 05:25 PM (LxTcq)
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This peace is hell on our careers. Maybe we can get something going in Southeast Asia again?
Posted by: Foggy Bottom Nervous Breakdown at September 17, 2020 05:25 PM (cZjDV)
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"...but 18 states - about half of which backed President Donald Trump in the 2016 election - have a post-Election Day deadline."
Well, even election fraud needs some breathing room to do its work.
Well, even election fraud needs some breathing room to do its work.
Posted by: some guy out west at September 17, 2020 05:26 PM (XpDOS)
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And that go-ahead meant that rapprochement with the Jews became an immediate, pressing need for the Arabs.
Yeah I think there is a lot to that, basically he forced the hand of a lot of Arabic governments by his idiotic Iran policy. Plus, there's been a lot of change in the younger generations of leadership, especially in Saudi Arabia.
Yeah I think there is a lot to that, basically he forced the hand of a lot of Arabic governments by his idiotic Iran policy. Plus, there's been a lot of change in the younger generations of leadership, especially in Saudi Arabia.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 17, 2020 05:26 PM (KZzsI)
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Just the Koran alone is a mess and contradictory but its less crazy and horrible than the crap that's been added on later.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
Isn't the official rule for interpretation of the Koran that the later statements therein are taken to overrule the prior?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
Isn't the official rule for interpretation of the Koran that the later statements therein are taken to overrule the prior?
Posted by: Sharkman at September 17, 2020 05:26 PM (BM2fS)
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238 As anything Mohammed wrote was incontrovertible, if he wrote about a subject more than once, the youngest (last) reference will always be the "true" one.
Yeah the abrogation thing is... interesting, to say the least. You ignore contradictory passages from the past and take the latest, because perfect and infallible Muhammad changed his mind, or something.
Plus, there were many different copies of the Koran, because he kept changing his mind when he wrote and forgot what he'd said before, and there is considerable evidence the man was hearing voices in his head and crazy. The "one true" version we have now isn't the same as some of the older, preserved copies which they don't want anyone to see any longer.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 17, 2020 05:21 PM (KZzsI)
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The writings of the Hafiz--those who have the Koran memorize--report a lot of the discrepancies of the day.
When a whole lot of them got wiped out in a battle, there was a concerted effort to write the Koran down. There were I think 5 distinct versions. The story is that the one that Mohammad's daughter kept under her bed became the official one.
Some of the discrepancies are stark and important; like CT says, muslims hotly dispute that there were ever any changes.
Some German guys found some older copies somewhere and have reported on them but that is some pretty dangerous work.
Yeah the abrogation thing is... interesting, to say the least. You ignore contradictory passages from the past and take the latest, because perfect and infallible Muhammad changed his mind, or something.
Plus, there were many different copies of the Koran, because he kept changing his mind when he wrote and forgot what he'd said before, and there is considerable evidence the man was hearing voices in his head and crazy. The "one true" version we have now isn't the same as some of the older, preserved copies which they don't want anyone to see any longer.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 17, 2020 05:21 PM (KZzsI)
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The writings of the Hafiz--those who have the Koran memorize--report a lot of the discrepancies of the day.
When a whole lot of them got wiped out in a battle, there was a concerted effort to write the Koran down. There were I think 5 distinct versions. The story is that the one that Mohammad's daughter kept under her bed became the official one.
Some of the discrepancies are stark and important; like CT says, muslims hotly dispute that there were ever any changes.
Some German guys found some older copies somewhere and have reported on them but that is some pretty dangerous work.
Posted by: TexasDan at September 17, 2020 05:27 PM (yL25O)
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It's a disaster, but at least they cut it off at 3 days after the election
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Three days is enough for them.
Nixon in Daly Cook county, LBJ land.
Dino Rossi. Oregon they magically found ballots under staircases all claiming to live at one address,
That idiot comedian Al Franken think it was trunks full of ballots there.
There is probably more.
Philadelphia precincts were they all vote for the Dem and there is not even a believable amount or percentage of error like drunks deciding to pull it for A third party.
.........
Three days is enough for them.
Nixon in Daly Cook county, LBJ land.
Dino Rossi. Oregon they magically found ballots under staircases all claiming to live at one address,
That idiot comedian Al Franken think it was trunks full of ballots there.
There is probably more.
Philadelphia precincts were they all vote for the Dem and there is not even a believable amount or percentage of error like drunks deciding to pull it for A third party.
Posted by: Greange at September 17, 2020 05:27 PM (Fq8xE)
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Well, I do not mean to get into a theological debate, merely to put out my opinion as a layperson.
I am thinking of fire and brimstone Old Testament vs love-one-another New Testament then Leviticus telling me to shun gay people and so on. Yes, I know that has all been hashed to death but the point is without some guiding authority to make sense of it all I would come away with the impression that gay people are unclean and horrible. Well, I do not think that at all and I would not follow a religion that taught as much.
Point being, when anyone can declare himself an Imam, put up a shingle, and say they are the One True Faith, there is bound to be a LOT of inconsistency. It goes well beyond Catholic v Protestant, but why....?
I am thinking of fire and brimstone Old Testament vs love-one-another New Testament then Leviticus telling me to shun gay people and so on. Yes, I know that has all been hashed to death but the point is without some guiding authority to make sense of it all I would come away with the impression that gay people are unclean and horrible. Well, I do not think that at all and I would not follow a religion that taught as much.
Point being, when anyone can declare himself an Imam, put up a shingle, and say they are the One True Faith, there is bound to be a LOT of inconsistency. It goes well beyond Catholic v Protestant, but why....?
Posted by: WitchDoktor at September 17, 2020 05:27 PM (4k/Uz)
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Bahrain is Saudi Arabia's dick, for more reasons than just how the island looks. They wouldn't have done this without explicit permission. Neither would the UAE, although they're quite exposed to Iran due to their location and relationship with us (we've been basing ships there for decades).
This portends more, and eventually SA will sign one too, guaranteed.
This portends more, and eventually SA will sign one too, guaranteed.
Posted by: Jeff Weimer at September 17, 2020 05:27 PM (fpng3)
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You solve the "Palestinian Problem" by making peace with everyone else.
Posted by: Dr Spank at September 17, 2020 05:20 PM (woo4
Concur.
Posted by: Dr Spank at September 17, 2020 05:20 PM (woo4
Concur.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 17, 2020 05:27 PM (Z+IKu)
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Wow, Federal Judges are now telling the Post Office how to run itself.
Is there NO end to their power and authority?
Is there NO end to their power and authority?
Posted by: Romeo13 at September 17, 2020 05:28 PM (NgKpN)
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It's a disaster, but at least they cut it off at 3 days after the election
.........
Three days is enough for them.
Nixon in Daly Cook county, LBJ land.
Dino Rossi. Oregon they magically found ballots under staircases all claiming to live at one address,
That idiot comedian Al Franken think it was trunks full of ballots there.
There is probably more.
Philadelphia precincts were they all vote for the Dem and there is not even a believable amount or percentage of error like drunks deciding to pull it for A third party.
Posted by: Greange
If it has no post mark, it was never in the mail system.
.........
Three days is enough for them.
Nixon in Daly Cook county, LBJ land.
Dino Rossi. Oregon they magically found ballots under staircases all claiming to live at one address,
That idiot comedian Al Franken think it was trunks full of ballots there.
There is probably more.
Philadelphia precincts were they all vote for the Dem and there is not even a believable amount or percentage of error like drunks deciding to pull it for A third party.
Posted by: Greange
If it has no post mark, it was never in the mail system.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 17, 2020 05:28 PM (U3fW+)
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"Oh, Iran will still cause trouble, that's who they are, but they don't dare lash out anymore." servo
well, not sure they could not be peaceful, if the Green Party thing was to succeed. Obama (Jarrett/Strzok/CIA?) refused to help them ... turned his back when it could have made a difference. So were they a different people under the Shah?
I don't know that "Whirlwind" history ... but the people are in revolution mode, still to some degree at least. If war and terror and economic sanctions change situations, they might "give peace a chance". I'd guess team Trump is wanting internal regime change, and we can't be too involved (openly) ... but removing terrorist Solemeini took one of their key pieces off the table when he wandered too far from home. Iran could be friendly again.
well, not sure they could not be peaceful, if the Green Party thing was to succeed. Obama (Jarrett/Strzok/CIA?) refused to help them ... turned his back when it could have made a difference. So were they a different people under the Shah?
I don't know that "Whirlwind" history ... but the people are in revolution mode, still to some degree at least. If war and terror and economic sanctions change situations, they might "give peace a chance". I'd guess team Trump is wanting internal regime change, and we can't be too involved (openly) ... but removing terrorist Solemeini took one of their key pieces off the table when he wandered too far from home. Iran could be friendly again.
Posted by: illiniwek at September 17, 2020 05:28 PM (Cus5s)
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Sorry, one more thing - the Bible was written over many years by many different people. The apocrypha is an example where the Church said it was not part of the Faith.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at September 17, 2020 05:28 PM (4k/Uz)
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All it takes is the next president being an Obama type who wants an Iranian Caliphate controlling the Middle East in some delusion of stability and ethnic justice, and it all gets torn down overnight.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 17, 2020 05:14 PM (KZzsI)
Obama tried that. Which is a major reason we got to this point in the first place. The Middle East, and specifically the Saudis, are not the ultra passive actors that woke society believes they are. Now, Trump has badly weakened Iran. You're right in that a Biden Administration would seek to lift those sanctions immediately, but the Arab states would clearly have a problem with that. At best they would fund a new ISIS movement. At worst they would declare war on Iran before Biden could even be inaugurated. When major civil unrest comes to America, I suspect that the new coalition will be more than ready to deal with their enemy.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 17, 2020 05:14 PM (KZzsI)
Obama tried that. Which is a major reason we got to this point in the first place. The Middle East, and specifically the Saudis, are not the ultra passive actors that woke society believes they are. Now, Trump has badly weakened Iran. You're right in that a Biden Administration would seek to lift those sanctions immediately, but the Arab states would clearly have a problem with that. At best they would fund a new ISIS movement. At worst they would declare war on Iran before Biden could even be inaugurated. When major civil unrest comes to America, I suspect that the new coalition will be more than ready to deal with their enemy.
Posted by: trev006 at September 17, 2020 05:28 PM (6LMwI)
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Just to add today they have polling claiming that Biden is winning by 1% and/or 3% the swing state of
Utah.
Utah.
Posted by: Greange at September 17, 2020 05:28 PM (Fq8xE)
Posted by: Sharkman at September 17, 2020 05:29 PM (BM2fS)
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>>> Did the same thing in WI.
Posted by: WisRich at September 17, 2020 05:22 PM (G0vdT)
The fix is in Posted by: It's me donna at September 17, 2020 05:23 PM (Zmnko)
They are not even trying to hide the fact they are rigging the battleground states. Can those parties sue? Because that seems crazy. These are long established political parties; we are not talking Kanye West's newly formed Birthday Party here.
Posted by: WisRich at September 17, 2020 05:22 PM (G0vdT)
The fix is in Posted by: It's me donna at September 17, 2020 05:23 PM (Zmnko)
They are not even trying to hide the fact they are rigging the battleground states. Can those parties sue? Because that seems crazy. These are long established political parties; we are not talking Kanye West's newly formed Birthday Party here.
Posted by: LizLem at September 17, 2020 05:29 PM (Rbfr/)
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249 Islam needs a Pope.
Islam needs fruit salad and methodist pie.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at September 17, 2020 05:24 PM (2lndx)
Islam has a Pope - except he calls himself an Ayatollah. It's ironic that in Islam, the more formalized branch analogous to the Catholics is the poor, marginalized one, and the more wealthy and larger one, the Sunni's, are analogous to the Protestants. That's one of the big reasons the Shiites hate the Sunnis so much.
But the Saudi Royals do pay every Imam in Saudi Arabia, especially the Head Imam, and they don't keep their positions very long if they try crossing the Royal Family. In other words, they say what they're told to say.
Islam needs fruit salad and methodist pie.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at September 17, 2020 05:24 PM (2lndx)
Islam has a Pope - except he calls himself an Ayatollah. It's ironic that in Islam, the more formalized branch analogous to the Catholics is the poor, marginalized one, and the more wealthy and larger one, the Sunni's, are analogous to the Protestants. That's one of the big reasons the Shiites hate the Sunnis so much.
But the Saudi Royals do pay every Imam in Saudi Arabia, especially the Head Imam, and they don't keep their positions very long if they try crossing the Royal Family. In other words, they say what they're told to say.
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 17, 2020 05:29 PM (Kpl3J)
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If it has no post mark, it was never in the mail system.
Posted by: rickb223
Not postage pre-paid. Those go through without a postmark, which seems completely insane, but it's true.
Posted by: rickb223
Not postage pre-paid. Those go through without a postmark, which seems completely insane, but it's true.
Posted by: Sharkman at September 17, 2020 05:30 PM (BM2fS)
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Foo Fighters - "The Pretender"
https://youtu.be/SBjQ9tuuTJQ
https://youtu.be/SBjQ9tuuTJQ
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 17, 2020 05:30 PM (hYcqw)
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Some of the discrepancies are stark and important; like CT says, muslims hotly dispute that there were ever any changes.
Yeah there are some other major religions that have the same problem; changed books that are blatantly different from older copies, and swear they are unchanged.
Yeah there are some other major religions that have the same problem; changed books that are blatantly different from older copies, and swear they are unchanged.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 17, 2020 05:30 PM (KZzsI)
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They are not even trying to hide the fact they are rigging the battleground states. Can those parties sue? Because that seems crazy. These are long established political parties; we are not talking Kanye West's newly formed Birthday Party here.
pretty desperate for a party that allegedly has a big lead...
They are not even trying to hide the fact they are rigging the battleground states. Can those parties sue? Because that seems crazy. These are long established political parties; we are not talking Kanye West's newly formed Birthday Party here.
pretty desperate for a party that allegedly has a big lead...
Posted by: It's me donna at September 17, 2020 05:31 PM (Zmnko)
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I agree with CBD that this is not the last step in normalizing the Middle East. But it is a very big step. Up to now only Egypt and Jordan have recognized Israel, and they have done only modest joint activities. Now, two countries that do not border Israel have recognized it, and several more are going to do so soon (Sudan, Oman, Morocco, are among them).
Noteworthy is that Saudi Arabia approves of what the UAE and Bahrain have done, for it is now allowing commercial airline flights over its territory from them to Israel (which has NEVER happened before).
Noteworthy also is that the Arab League refused to pass a resolution put forward by the Palestinians to reject the agreements of UAE and Bahrain with Israel.
This is really the big impact right now: the majority of the Arab states no longer support the Palestinian demands, and they are ready to join hands with Israel against their real enemy, Iran.
Indeed news articles have reported that even Iraq and Syria are fed up with having Iran's military occupying them.
Noteworthy is that Saudi Arabia approves of what the UAE and Bahrain have done, for it is now allowing commercial airline flights over its territory from them to Israel (which has NEVER happened before).
Noteworthy also is that the Arab League refused to pass a resolution put forward by the Palestinians to reject the agreements of UAE and Bahrain with Israel.
This is really the big impact right now: the majority of the Arab states no longer support the Palestinian demands, and they are ready to join hands with Israel against their real enemy, Iran.
Indeed news articles have reported that even Iraq and Syria are fed up with having Iran's military occupying them.
Posted by: Roland Hirsch at September 17, 2020 05:31 PM (oMkPq)
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If it has no post mark, it was never in the mail system.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 17, 2020 05:28 PM (U3fW+)
............
Well ya. Common sense would tell you that but the PA Supreme C not only divined ahead of time that there might be an election problem but they also supposedly made the no postmark ruling.
At least as I understand it via Twitter.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 17, 2020 05:28 PM (U3fW+)
............
Well ya. Common sense would tell you that but the PA Supreme C not only divined ahead of time that there might be an election problem but they also supposedly made the no postmark ruling.
At least as I understand it via Twitter.
Posted by: Greange at September 17, 2020 05:31 PM (Fq8xE)
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Don't look up Methodist pie in the urban dictionary.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 17, 2020 05:31 PM (63Dwl)
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Nood.
Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at September 17, 2020 05:32 PM (iEx0u)
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le Nood
Posted by: BunkerInTheBurbs at September 17, 2020 05:32 PM (ZI4/t)
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#235: yep you make them irrelevant, box them in, leave them to their squalor.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Boxed Whines for Your Tailgate at The Outrage Outlet! at September 17, 2020 05:32 PM (cZjDV)
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Islam needs a Pope.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at September 17, 2020 05:18 PM (4k/Uz)
What they really need is a Jim Jones.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at September 17, 2020 05:18 PM (4k/Uz)
What they really need is a Jim Jones.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 17, 2020 05:32 PM (zp1L/)
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"If it has no post mark, it was never in the mail system."
I'm sure they already have a few USPS workers lined up to fix that little problem. They'll probably have drop boxes right in Philly Post Offices on the days after the election marked "Ballots".
I'm sure they already have a few USPS workers lined up to fix that little problem. They'll probably have drop boxes right in Philly Post Offices on the days after the election marked "Ballots".
Posted by: lowandslow at September 17, 2020 05:32 PM (4thlk)
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I can do a really good cooking thread. Short and simple.
Posted by: Ok at September 17, 2020 05:32 PM (84y86)
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The US Constitution in no uncertain terms states that the election is to
be held on x date without exceptions. Judges have over time more and
more taken a... nuanced view to this, and decided that meant "well more
or less within a few weeks of that time, as long as you count it all at
once." And now the counting doesn't even have to take place on the same
day.
We won't be voting our way out of this mess. That only leaves one box left.
be held on x date without exceptions. Judges have over time more and
more taken a... nuanced view to this, and decided that meant "well more
or less within a few weeks of that time, as long as you count it all at
once." And now the counting doesn't even have to take place on the same
day.
We won't be voting our way out of this mess. That only leaves one box left.
Posted by: An Observation at September 17, 2020 05:33 PM (oeb4i)
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Judges have over time more and more taken a... nuanced view to this, and decided that meant "well more or less within a few weeks of that time, as long as you count it all at once." And now the counting doesn't even have to take place on the same day.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 17, 2020 05:23 PM (KZzsI)
Stare Decisis FTW
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 17, 2020 05:23 PM (KZzsI)
Stare Decisis FTW
Posted by: Golfman at September 17, 2020 05:33 PM (hOMhY)
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pretty desperate for a party that allegedly has a big lead...Posted by: It's me donna at September 17, 2020 05:31 PM (Zmnko)+++
Yep, desperate people do desperate things. And more often than not, the results are horrific.
Yep, desperate people do desperate things. And more often than not, the results are horrific.
Posted by: Old Dude at September 17, 2020 05:33 PM (LGXGf)
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Oh, and thanks for the opportunity to discuss religion in a civil manner. It is why I love the Horde.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at September 17, 2020 05:34 PM (4k/Uz)
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Plus, there were many different copies of the Koran, because he kept changing his mind when he wrote and forgot what he'd said before, and there is considerable evidence the man was hearing voices in his head and crazy. The "one true" version we have now isn't the same as some of the older, preserved copies which they don't want anyone to see any longer.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 17, 2020 05:21 PM (KZzsI)
Mo never wrote a word. He was illiterate. The koran is basically reminiscences of his rants, jotted down by his cronies.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 17, 2020 05:21 PM (KZzsI)
Mo never wrote a word. He was illiterate. The koran is basically reminiscences of his rants, jotted down by his cronies.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 17, 2020 05:35 PM (zp1L/)
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>>>Just the Koran alone is a mess and contradictory but its less crazy and horrible than the crap that's been added on later.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 17, 2020 05:10 PM (KZzsI)
Barnhardt's reading of the Koran is the best.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 17, 2020 05:10 PM (KZzsI)
Barnhardt's reading of the Koran is the best.
Posted by: Braenyard at September 17, 2020 05:36 PM (jy41H)
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It's a disaster, but at least they cut it off at 3 days after the election.
California-Style Ballot Harvesting really only works when you can fuck around finding box after box of new ballots for weeks after an election.
We'll see. I'm not happy about this, but at least there is SOME limit to the jiggery-pokery.
Posted by: Sharkman at September 17, 2020 05:20 PM (BM2fS)
3 days was plenty for the commie leftists to steal the local Seattle city council election. Combined with ballot harvesting to know how many ballots they had to find in the trunk of Buicks, extra days give them plenty of time to rig the election.
It's a disaster, but at least they cut it off at 3 days after the election.
California-Style Ballot Harvesting really only works when you can fuck around finding box after box of new ballots for weeks after an election.
We'll see. I'm not happy about this, but at least there is SOME limit to the jiggery-pokery.
Posted by: Sharkman at September 17, 2020 05:20 PM (BM2fS)
3 days was plenty for the commie leftists to steal the local Seattle city council election. Combined with ballot harvesting to know how many ballots they had to find in the trunk of Buicks, extra days give them plenty of time to rig the election.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at September 17, 2020 05:39 PM (sy5kK)
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Worst Sexist Ever
Worst Rayciss Ever
Worst Hitler Ever
Worst Warmongerer Ever
Is there ANYTHING Orangemanbad can't screw up?!
Worst Rayciss Ever
Worst Hitler Ever
Worst Warmongerer Ever
Is there ANYTHING Orangemanbad can't screw up?!
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at September 17, 2020 05:40 PM (C5+1N)
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The Isle of Man. Where is that exactly?
Posted by: Ok at September 17, 2020 05:40 PM (84y86)
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no time limit for mail in ballots ... (or even faking postmarks, not that hard) ... gives Dems time to find all those that did not vote, then they can submit a (fake) mail-in ballot for them ... fake signature ... bada bing ... 35% that normally don't vote will show up late in the mail, 99% voting Dem.
That narrative already seems set, not sure they could pull it off, but it would not be their high moral character that would stop them.
That narrative already seems set, not sure they could pull it off, but it would not be their high moral character that would stop them.
Posted by: illiniwek at September 17, 2020 05:42 PM (Cus5s)
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i think the isle of man is somewhere. what about .nu?
Posted by: Ok at September 17, 2020 05:42 PM (84y86)
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"He didn't solve the "Palestinian" problem, but he set the world on a course that may make the Palestinians simply irrelevant if they don't make peace with Israel...and they will never do that!"
That IS solving the Palestinian problem.
That IS solving the Palestinian problem.
Posted by: Inspector Kemp at September 17, 2020 05:53 PM (I262G)
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the palestinian problem fix begins and ends with the palestinians...it always has...theyve ALWAYS been their own worst enemy...and theyre starting to rethink who they vote for now because of this deal
Posted by: sound awake at September 17, 2020 05:54 PM (0OxUd)
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It might be water. The Israelis have made some huge advances in desalination technology, and are sharing that technology with their Arab neighbors.
Posted by: Nancy at 7000 ft at September 17, 2020 05:55 PM (0tmoY)
Posted by: Anachronda at September 17, 2020 05:59 PM (sGtp+)
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33 And what this does is also put other Muslim majority countries like Malaysia, Indonesia etc who do not have any diplomatic relationship with Israel in a quandary. If the big boys in the ME are having diplomatic and economic relationships with Israel - what are they holding out for?
Posted by: IC at September 17, 2020 04:38 PM (a0IVu)
Malaysia, Pakistan, and Bangladesh will soon sign the same agreement the USE did - about half the workers in the USE come from those countries, and the UAE is likely telling them sign or the workers go home.
Sudan will also sign - the UAE and Saudi Arabia own about half the farmland in the country. They will do what they are told.
Morocco, Oman, and Tunisia will sign just to get it over with.
So at least seven more countries will sign, probably more like 8-9.
Posted by: IC at September 17, 2020 04:38 PM (a0IVu)
Malaysia, Pakistan, and Bangladesh will soon sign the same agreement the USE did - about half the workers in the USE come from those countries, and the UAE is likely telling them sign or the workers go home.
Sudan will also sign - the UAE and Saudi Arabia own about half the farmland in the country. They will do what they are told.
Morocco, Oman, and Tunisia will sign just to get it over with.
So at least seven more countries will sign, probably more like 8-9.
Posted by: Inspector Kemp at September 17, 2020 05:59 PM (I262G)
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Israel - money, technology, investment, business, trade, defense, science.
Palestinians - an empty hand asking for cash.
Who would you rather strike a deal with? What good do the Palestinians do for anyone? can they make or invent anything? help defend against Iran and Turkey? Provide good intelligence assets?
Or do they just say gimmie gimmie gimmie?
the Palestinians have been a drain on Mideast, in fact the whole world's, resource for decades. Basically just lighting big piles of money on fire. The Arabs look around, and have decided it ain't worth it.
Palestinians - an empty hand asking for cash.
Who would you rather strike a deal with? What good do the Palestinians do for anyone? can they make or invent anything? help defend against Iran and Turkey? Provide good intelligence assets?
Or do they just say gimmie gimmie gimmie?
the Palestinians have been a drain on Mideast, in fact the whole world's, resource for decades. Basically just lighting big piles of money on fire. The Arabs look around, and have decided it ain't worth it.
Posted by: Inspector Kemp at September 17, 2020 06:06 PM (I262G)
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"But now Iran is facing a new military alliance of the Gulf States, Saudi, Egypt, Israel, and the US, all ready to act in concert with each other and provide defense in depth."
Think about that. The Saudis and UAE have money, intelligence, but few people and little military experience. Egypt has no money, but lots of soldiers and some military experience. And Israel has money, nukes, military experience, but a small ground force. Separate they can all get beat in one way or another. But together - Iran has zero chance of a win. They have all the bases covered and nicely compensate for each's weak points.
Iran has people and a military, but no money. Iraq has not much. Ditto the Palestinians. Syria and Yemen are busted beyond repair. The Iranian alliance is more like a bunch of dependents.
Israel has been running circles around Iran in Syria for years now. They can fly right into Tehran any time they want. They can teach UAE and the Saudis to do the same. They also have missile defense, which they may share. Unless Iran plans on dropping a nuke off a donkey cart, they don't have a chance.
Think about that. The Saudis and UAE have money, intelligence, but few people and little military experience. Egypt has no money, but lots of soldiers and some military experience. And Israel has money, nukes, military experience, but a small ground force. Separate they can all get beat in one way or another. But together - Iran has zero chance of a win. They have all the bases covered and nicely compensate for each's weak points.
Iran has people and a military, but no money. Iraq has not much. Ditto the Palestinians. Syria and Yemen are busted beyond repair. The Iranian alliance is more like a bunch of dependents.
Israel has been running circles around Iran in Syria for years now. They can fly right into Tehran any time they want. They can teach UAE and the Saudis to do the same. They also have missile defense, which they may share. Unless Iran plans on dropping a nuke off a donkey cart, they don't have a chance.
Posted by: Inspector Kemp at September 17, 2020 06:25 PM (I262G)
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Making the Palestinians irrelevant does solve the problem. If the next five Arab states join as is the indication, including Saudi Arabia, the Palestinians will be relegated to bitching to Iran China and Russia in the main and they can't do jack other than start of war in the Palestinians aren't worth it to them
Posted by: oddnot at September 17, 2020 08:51 PM (BhZu6)
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The so-called Palestinians already are irrelevant, and have been from the word go. The Palestinian people have only ever been a purely political construct.
"The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct 'Palestinian people' to oppose Zionism.
"For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa. While as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan."
(PLO executive committee member Zahir Muhsein, March 1977, in and interview with the Dutch newspaper Trouw.)
"The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct 'Palestinian people' to oppose Zionism.
"For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa. While as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan."
(PLO executive committee member Zahir Muhsein, March 1977, in and interview with the Dutch newspaper Trouw.)
Posted by: Paul Hansson at September 17, 2020 08:55 PM (T3GKr)
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If it means I can finally find a decent bagel in Abu Dhabi, I'm for it!
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