The ONT Will Never Forget

Photo by Richard Drew, Associated Press

Posted by: WeirdDave at 10:00 PM

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1 Whoomp! There it is... (Louder!)

Posted by: Zettai at September 11, 2020 10:01 PM (JFyGO)

2 good evening
Never Forget

Posted by: wing at September 11, 2020 10:01 PM (JFzNN)

3 Never forget

Posted by: vmom 2020 - 13 Hours Book Review at September 11, 2020 10:01 PM (nUhF0)

4 Never forget.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at September 11, 2020 10:02 PM (ZSK0i)

5 It pains me that many of our fellow countrymen learned nothing from the attacks.

Posted by: Tonypete at September 11, 2020 10:03 PM (Rvt88)

6 Bummer. I got distracted.

Posted by: Charles the Simple at September 11, 2020 10:03 PM (HuH1F)

7 Never forget.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Joe Biden killed my career at September 11, 2020 10:04 PM (HaL55)

8 I always wondered how long after they threatened to cut off my free membership that I signed up for in order to better mock them, that Goldberg and French would actually follow through and do it.

Someday never comes.

They said they were moving to a pay model. And yet, they persist in emailing me their columns they'd like me to buy. Day after day after day.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 11, 2020 10:04 PM (x73LH)

9
RIP, Falling Man.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at September 11, 2020 10:04 PM (G51Gf)

10 It pains me that many of our countrymen think we deserved it and brought it ourselves. They are no countrymen of mine and can die in a fire.

Posted by: My Pimp Shot My Dealer at September 11, 2020 10:04 PM (d6DSt)

11
The ONT Will Never Forget

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Sadly, in five years, with the media and educational establishment we have, this will be as remote to most Americans as Bleeding Kansas is to us now.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 11, 2020 10:04 PM (mht8P)

12 That photo still makes my heart stop and my anger spike. I always, always stop to consider what that man was thinking right then, and wondering if I could have had that courage.

Posted by: Oldstoke at September 11, 2020 10:05 PM (sb+Cg)

13 Falling Man makes sure I never forget.

Posted by: Spiny Norman at September 11, 2020 10:05 PM (YJhzI)

14 We forgot. Not the Horde, but societally.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 11, 2020 10:06 PM (NWiLs)

15 America will always remember
**** the Marxist in all forms

Posted by: Kentucky kid at September 11, 2020 10:06 PM (CFrXO)

16 WD
After all the bullshit about pedos below, after the fires and arson out here.
This photo is burned into my brain.
I didn't need a rage stroke this evening.

Never forget.
Never forgive.

Posted by: Winston, dreg of society at September 11, 2020 10:06 PM (d9Irc)

17 Damn dude.

That says it all.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at September 11, 2020 10:06 PM (p9NJz)

18 Thank you. Very appropriate ONT.

The anniversary is always a hard day.

Posted by: Splunge at September 11, 2020 10:06 PM (dOV9E)

19 RIP, Falling Man.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia

Quite right. I've often thought of him. I pray he overcame the natural feeling of terror while falling and came to the mindset of: Jesus, I'm coming home!

Posted by: Tonypete at September 11, 2020 10:07 PM (Rvt88)

20 I think someone here pointed this out the other day, but maybe in another way.

It has been a while since the last Instant Jihad. I wonder why that is?

Posted by: Oldstoke at September 11, 2020 10:07 PM (sb+Cg)

21 oh dear
hubby on the phone with his sister - he's convinced Trump will lose

Posted by: vmom 2020 - 13 Hours Book Review at September 11, 2020 10:07 PM (nUhF0)

22 We already forgot

Posted by: ... at September 11, 2020 10:07 PM (fo0S2)

23 Did y'all see the Mini AOC tweet featured at Insty? Brutal.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at September 11, 2020 10:08 PM (qc+VF)

24 And keep in mind that photo represents one person, there were hundreds more, possibly higher. We no longer hear about those escaping death by flame and asphyxiation. Too distasteful for people too see. These pictures like those from the Holocaust should be seen.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at September 11, 2020 10:08 PM (O6Iio)

25 My dog and I go past the Weehawken 9/11 memorial frequently when I take her for rides in the car. It's two very large, burnt pieces of the tridents from the outside of the buildings. Very moving every time I see it. It's on the spot where the ferries brought survivors over from lower Manhattan.

Posted by: JuJuBee, just generally being shamey at September 11, 2020 10:08 PM (mNhhD)

26 Good evening, ONT.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com lives again at September 11, 2020 10:09 PM (SchxB)

27

Never forget.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 11, 2020 10:09 PM (6bQvJ)

28 I can now use CTRL END to get to the last comment, like a normal person would.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at September 11, 2020 10:09 PM (l9m7l)

29
Thanks WD for that picture.

It should be shoved into the face of "The Squad", and their ilk, every **cking **d-Da***d day.

It sets me off. Nearly every time.

Gonna buy some expensive online ammo right now, just because.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at September 11, 2020 10:10 PM (sy5kK)

30
Little Eichmanns

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 11, 2020 10:10 PM (mht8P)

31 Can't handle Falling Man.

I get nauseated.

Posted by: Nurse ratched at September 11, 2020 10:11 PM (U2p+3)

32 Hard to believe that we are 19 years out

Posted by: In Exile at September 11, 2020 10:11 PM (kzzyk)

33 21 oh dear
hubby on the phone with his sister - he's convinced Trump will lose
Posted by: vmom 2020 - 13 Hours Book Review at September 11, 2020 10:07 PM (nUhF0)

Have him call the Horde.

We will straighten him out.

Pronto.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at September 11, 2020 10:12 PM (sy5kK)

34 this is a simple song written recently about 9/11
I think it's lovely and touchung
https://youtu.be/7WH0EZ8ZQyM

Posted by: vmom 2020 - 13 Hours Book Review at September 11, 2020 10:12 PM (nUhF0)

35 That image defined my life for nearly two decades. Cant let it go just yet.

Posted by: PUE 206 at September 11, 2020 10:12 PM (D/SYi)

36 Remember, there were dozens if not hundreds of falling men and women that day. You could hear their bodies hitting in some of the videos taken from the building lobbies.

Posted by: Beartooth at September 11, 2020 10:12 PM (PJtXD)

37 They didn't forget. They just don't care. Never did.

One thing that drives me crazy sometimes is that people fail to ascribe the proper motives to the left. Tim Pool is one of the biggest offenders in this way, that I've seen.

These people surf on Benefit of the Doubt. It's their weapon.

No, they don't get it. They're evil and ghoulish, and their motives are at the very least the worst ones you could imagine.

So no, they didn't forget.

Posted by: Oldstoke at September 11, 2020 10:12 PM (sb+Cg)

38 Sobering.

God bless all those men and women.

Thanks for this Weird Dave.

Posted by: Muldoon at September 11, 2020 10:13 PM (Fc5rx)

39 It's enough to make a grown man cry even after all these years.

Posted by: cjhmhch at September 11, 2020 10:13 PM (eSgwh)

40 At the time, nobody thought we'd go another 19 years without a second (and more) major attack on American soil.

Posted by: JuJuBee, just generally being shamey at September 11, 2020 10:13 PM (mNhhD)

41 Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at September 11, 2020 10:12 PM (sy5kK)

he's really smart but has a huge blindspot in politics
just so media susceptible

Posted by: vmom 2020 - 13 Hours Book Review at September 11, 2020 10:14 PM (nUhF0)

42 Did y'all see the Mini AOC tweet featured at Insty? Brutal.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at September 11, 2020 10:08 PM

"Does Ilhan Omar open presents on 9/11 eve, or does she wait until the morning?"

That one?

Posted by: Zettai at September 11, 2020 10:14 PM (JFyGO)

43
I pray he overcame the natural feeling of terror while falling and came to the mindset of: Jesus, I'm coming home!
Posted by: Tonypete

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"In the picture, he departs from this earth like an arrow. Although he has not chosen his fate, he appears to have, in his last instants of life, embraced it. If he were not falling, he might very well be flying. He appears relaxed, hurtling through the air. He appears comfortable in the grip of unimaginable motion. He does not appear intimidated by gravity's divine suction or by what awaits him. His arms are by his side, only slightly outriggered. His left leg is bent at the knee, almost casually. His white shirt, or jacket, or frock, is billowing free of his black pants. His black high-tops are still on his feet. In all the other pictures, the people who did what he did--who jumped--appear to be struggling against horrific discrepancies of scale. They are made puny by the backdrop of the towers, which loom like colossi, and then by the event itself. Some of them are shirtless; their shoes fly off as they flail and fall; they look confused, as though trying to swim down the side of a mountain. The man in the picture, by contrast, is perfectly vertical"

--Tom Junod in Esquire

We'll never know, but we can hope that he attained a measure of peace on his way down.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at September 11, 2020 10:14 PM (G51Gf)

44 I remember sitting on the observation deck at the WTC in the summer of '87, and taking in the absolutely stunning view of Manhattan. It was one of the most amazing things I have ever seen. Two words, "Airship altitude" came into my head, and they have stuck with me until this day. Never forget. Never forgive.I still think we shoulda' nuked the bastards.

JWM

Posted by: jwm at September 11, 2020 10:15 PM (HnUoF)

45 20
I think someone here pointed this out the other day, but maybe in another way.

It has been a while since the last Instant Jihad. I wonder why that is?

Posted by: Oldstoke at September 11, 2020 10:07 PM (sb+Cg)

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Because the money spent on jihad against the west comes from the same stash as the money that pays for all of these riots...Same sponsors

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at September 11, 2020 10:15 PM (h1jJh)

46 God Rest His Soul

Posted by: garrett at September 11, 2020 10:16 PM (ym3Hl)

47 As bad as 9/11 was, the resultant power grab was far worse. It's like the "Patriot" Act was sitting in a drawer somewhere, all 2000+ pages waiting for the right crisis. We got the TSA, NSA spying, stupid airport tricks, and other atrocities all in the name of "security".

Fast forward 19 years, and the same playbook. A "pandemic". Sacrifice your liberty to be safe. Do not question it, subjects.

This day makes me sad in many ways.

Posted by: Mookie at September 11, 2020 10:16 PM (3vIkC)

48 I've forgotten a lot but I will never forget this.

Posted by: Javems at September 11, 2020 10:16 PM (ofIwF)

49

WeirdDave, sir:

Feel free to strike #1 from the permanent record...

Posted by: Zettai at September 11, 2020 10:16 PM (JFyGO)

50
33 Hard to believe that we are 19 years out
Posted by: In Exile at September 11, 2020 10:11 PM (kzzyk)

Unlike the Leftists and Globalists, everyone here knows EXACTLY what they were doing 19 years ago, today.

I woke up Little LCD at 6:15 am and walked him down to the TV, and told him to watch.

Wife was pissed at "exposing him to violence at such a young age."

My feeling, both then and now, is that his life has already changed because of this, might as well face it and learn what to do, starting now.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at September 11, 2020 10:16 PM (sy5kK)

51 I had an idea for a memorial, which I sent to the NYT back when it was still a pile of rubble. I still think it was a great idea, but no one knows it but me.

(it is too late now, but here it is.)

1. cut a length of steel column the height of each victim of the attack.

2. Label each column with name, location when attacked, religion, and date of birth.

3. Allow surviving family members identify the home town or country of each victim, and give the column to them to mount in a memorial. So all around the East there would be clusters of these columns. In foreign countries, you would have then all in capitol.

4. Do not give columns to countries which are hostile or untrustworthy. Those, as well as any NYers could be put on a plaza in NY.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at September 11, 2020 10:16 PM (LWu6U)

52 Because the money spent on jihad against the west comes from the same stash as the money that pays for all of these riots...Same sponsors
Posted by: Lemmiwinks at September 11, 2020 10:15 PM (h1jJh)

Yeah, I think so too.

Posted by: Oldstoke at September 11, 2020 10:16 PM (sb+Cg)

53 We'll never know, but we can hope that he attained a measure of peace on his way down.

I truly hope so.

Posted by: Jewells45 at September 11, 2020 10:16 PM (dUJdY)

54
Hard to believe that we are 19 years out

Posted by: In Exile at September 11, 2020 10:11 PM (kzzyk)

agreed. I still remember that day like it was yesterday. The only other thing that came close in my young life at the time was the Challenger disaster. Not even close to the same level but we were younger then and I remember it too.

Posted by: Quint at September 11, 2020 10:16 PM (JCBMS)

55 Probably due to covid, but it was a nice change not getting any of that National Day of Service bullshit this year.

Posted by: Netflix at September 11, 2020 10:16 PM (kOpft)

56 Phone wallpaper this am was the Falling Man as above. Later changed to GEOTUS saluting. Then the meme of pinochet from earlier here. Back to DJT's salute.
Love to all you morons (and pets).
Must be the fires. Been dusty here all day.

Posted by: getting the banned back together, cough at September 11, 2020 10:17 PM (JUQ9T)

57 Never Forget.

I know where I was when I first heard it. It's burned in my mind the exact place. I told my daughter today (not yet born at the time) where I was.

Posted by: Chin music at September 11, 2020 10:17 PM (NVX+A)

58 It's hard to see photos or footage of the WTC under attack. It's like watching a loved one burning to death right in front of you. Maybe I feel this way because the one time I went to the top, I could feel the building swaying ever so slightly, giving the impression it was alive and breathing.

Posted by: JuJuBee, just generally being shamey at September 11, 2020 10:18 PM (mNhhD)

59 There bu5 for the grace f God go I

Posted by: PUE 206 at September 11, 2020 10:19 PM (D/SYi)

60 I had a thought while listening to some of the 9/11 talk on the radio today.

Does anyone think 2020 will eventually be seen as marking the end of the "post-9/11" era? I don't mean we'll forget about it; probably all of us who lived through the day will always remember it. But to those under 25 at this point, it's history, not something they really experienced; and this year has been such a traumatic experience all its own, I wonder if it will sort of displace 9/11 in our cultural mindset in the years to come.

Just something I was mulling over today.

Posted by: Dr. T at September 11, 2020 10:19 PM (Vgw1E)

61 >>> I had an idea for a memorial, which I sent to the NYT back when it was still a pile of rubble. I still think it was a great idea, but no one knows it but me.

(it is too late now, but here it is.)

1. cut a length of steel column the height of each victim of the attack.

2. Label each column with name, location when attacked, religion, and date of birth.

3. Allow surviving family members identify the home town or country of each victim, and give the column to them to mount in a memorial. So all around the East there would be clusters of these columns. In foreign countries, you would have then all in capitol.

4. Do not give columns to countries which are hostile or untrustworthy. Those, as well as any NYers could be put on a plaza in NY.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at September 11, 2020 10:16 PM (LWu6U)

=====

I like it.

Posted by: Chin music at September 11, 2020 10:19 PM (NVX+A)

62 All of the Arab nations from Afghanistan to Sudan, and from the Med south to Somalia, are fortunate that Americans are not as depraved and vindictive as those nations' muslim rulers, ayatollahs, chiefs, and citizens.

Otherwise, all of them would have been vaporized or incinerated 18 years and 51 weeks ago.

Posted by: Gref at September 11, 2020 10:19 PM (AMIL/)

63 And keep in mind that photo represents one person, there were hundreds
more, possibly higher. We no longer hear about those escaping death by
flame and asphyxiation. Too distasteful for people too see. These
pictures like those from the Holocaust should be seen.

---

I remember on the documentary CBS aired on the first anniversary where they had a film crew randomly with one of the firefighting crews that went into the towers, when they were covering a conversation on the ground floor, the station warned that they couldn't edit out the sounds of the jumpers landing because there were too many of them.

Posted by: Netflix at September 11, 2020 10:20 PM (kOpft)

64 Thank you for remembering and posting that WD.

Too soon we forget,

and then we have Ilhan Omar in our midst!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at September 11, 2020 10:21 PM (2C38g)

65 Someone at American Thinker published a piece in praise of GW Bush this morning. I'm the comments, he was, as they say, "ratioed" by almost everyone. Good. I can't believe I ever defended that deep state dickhead. I am actually ashamed, and I probably always will be.

Posted by: Charles Manson at September 11, 2020 10:22 PM (j3jZX)

66
RIP, Falling Man.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia

Quite right. I've often thought of him. I pray he overcame the
natural feeling of terror while falling and came to the mindset of:
Jesus, I'm coming home!

Posted by: Tonypete at September 11, 2020 10:07 PM (Rvt8

He would be a better man than me. I would be thinking kill a million ragheads in my name.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at September 11, 2020 10:22 PM (9Om/r)

67 and then we have Ilhan Omar in our midst!

Only 7 years later we elected Barack Hussein Obama.

Posted by: Jewells45 at September 11, 2020 10:22 PM (dUJdY)

68
I've forgotten a lot but I will never forget this.

Posted by: Javems at September 11, 2020 10:16 PM (ofIwF)

I have listened to the air traffic control recordings on Youtube a few times over the years. I am not exactly sure why I do it, but I guess it is to remember.

I think it is worth pointing out that these terrorists failed in their plan to set the world on fire. Someone and many have done so much and sacrificed so much to protect us. That we are now going after each other is about as sad as it gets. But that is not for this thread, at least from me.

I also have watched the U2 Super Bowl performance videos after 9/11 a few times. They bring back a lot of memories and also some nostalgia for a time we seemed to be together as a nation.

Posted by: Quint at September 11, 2020 10:22 PM (JCBMS)

69
Little LCD was in kindergarten, at St Louise Catholic School.

When I picked him up from school, I asked what they did that day.

"Dad, we prayed a lot".

And he seemed to understand it.

A few days later, was talking with a neighbor that had mid-grade kids in the local public school.

The teachers apparently weren't allowed to comment on what the kids saw before they went to school, and a parent said the public school kids that coming home, most were very upset. Of course they were, fools!

Sometimes, all you can do is pray. And prayer works.

Too bad the Leftists have banned the simplest, most cost effective, and most powerful tool that has been proven time and time again to help people cope with horrible events.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at September 11, 2020 10:23 PM (sy5kK)

70 WeirdDave, thanks for your ONT as always, and thank you for putting up The Falling Man.

I only knew one KIA on 9/11 - at the Pentagon.

I was in DC, between gigs, sleeping in after late night Monday hockey practice. I don't remember exactly how/when I woke up - but just before the plane hit the second tower. Friend in NY area called me.

Now-wife called, her office, close to the WH, was evacuated and taken over by WH people.

Checked out Massachusetts Ave/VP's residence at the Naval Observatory - walked over. Mass. Ave. was closed. Secret Service had their black tactical stuff on, an armored car out in front of the entrance.

And for weeks after, with National closed, when I'd come back at night (quiet), after parking and walking to my place - could hear the CAP above DC, usually F-16s, I think.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 11, 2020 10:23 PM (OTzUX)

71 A great movie that honors the World Trade Center Towers is 2015's "The Walk". With Joseph Gordon-Levitt depicting French high-wire artist Philippe Petit. In 1974, he recruited a team of people to help walk the immense void between the World Trade Center towers.

https://imdb.to/2RkZwFG

It was wonderful hearing about a non-American being amazed with and falling in love with the Towers and, through his Walk between the Towers, help the people of NYC fall in love with the Towers as well.

In and of itself, just an amazing feat he pulled off. Scouting the buildings, gathering information, forming a team to help him pull it off, sneak into the Towers overnight and construct the high wire and then walk across the wire itself multiple times!

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at September 11, 2020 10:23 PM (Do5/p)

72 63 All of the Arab nations from Afghanistan to Sudan, and from the Med south to Somalia, are fortunate that Americans are not as depraved and vindictive as those nations' muslim rulers, ayatollahs, chiefs, and citizens.

Otherwise, all of them would have been vaporized or incinerated 18 years and 51 weeks ago.
Posted by: Gref at September 11, 2020 10:19 PM (AMIL/)

They view that as our weakness.

Posted by: PUE 206 at September 11, 2020 10:23 PM (D/SYi)

73 someone earlier mentioned the French documentarians who were shooting that day. If you have not seen that, it is worth seeing. I don't know the name of the piece but I bet you can get there with French, 9/11, documentary.

Posted by: Quint at September 11, 2020 10:24 PM (JCBMS)

74 they were talking today about a memoir bynthe son of a victim
sad life without the dad (sexual abuse vy an uncle, addiction, etc)
I dont always remember the impact of those deaths on the bereaved

Posted by: vmom 2020 - 13 Hours Book Review at September 11, 2020 10:24 PM (nUhF0)

75 66: George W Bush was a President for one moment. 9/11 was that moment.

Posted by: Puddleglum at September 11, 2020 10:25 PM (XZqCH)

76 The Israel-Bahrain peace announcement, today of all days,

was no coincidence. I think that is a reasonable supposition.

The Mueller Dream Team erased 4 more phones today to honor the announcement.

It is their way. Damn, but it was brutally hot on the golf course today. I sweated today like John Brennan if he found his personal journal had gone missing.

Posted by: GnuBreed at September 11, 2020 10:25 PM (Z4rgH)

77 Ugh, off, pedo streaming sock!

Posted by: Methos at September 11, 2020 10:25 PM (kOpft)

78 I first heard about a plane hitting one of the buildings from a young Muslim employee who walked in to work, on the phone with her dad who was in NYC standing there on a sidewalk and had just witnessed it.

Of course the first reaction is, someone in a small plane went way off course and plowed into the building. It happened at the Empire State Building during WWII (?) so it's not like there isn't a precedent.

How quickly that changed once we all tuned in to the news channels and saw with our own eyes the obscenity of what was truly happening.

Posted by: JuJuBee, just generally being shamey at September 11, 2020 10:25 PM (mNhhD)

79 This day still pisses me off. A lot in fact, Everyone, please remember Rick Rescorla on this day. I saw the smoke rising from the Pentagon from my shop...
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Posted by: Jesse in DC at September 11, 2020 10:25 PM (ouR/N)

80 19 years, 5,000 mosques, a president named Hussein, and several Muslim lawmakers later, here we are. The stupid civilization.

Posted by: Charles Manson at September 11, 2020 10:25 PM (j3jZX)

81 Weell, all the major northwest media outlets were stating that the fires were not caused by arson or Antifa. There are some dissenting voices

https://preview.tinyurl.com/y5qyvhze

Posted by: Kindltot at September 11, 2020 10:25 PM (WyVLE)

82 Never would have believed we would be fighting fascists and communists in the streets, governorships, and congress 19 years later.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at September 11, 2020 10:25 PM (r+sAi)

83
"Does Ilhan Omar open presents on 9/11 eve, or does she wait until the morning?"

That one?
Posted by: Zettai at September 11, 2020 10:14 PM (JFyGO)

Simply brilliant.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at September 11, 2020 10:25 PM (sy5kK)

84 I was in Poughkeepsie, driving to work after dropping my ex off at work, and I heard the news of the first plane hitting.

I just remember how perfect the weather was that day.

Then the news broke about the second, and I immediately thought - "We're at war."

My other strongest memory is the smell when I went down to Manhattan, the utter lack of loud ambient noise in lower Manhattan, and the dust still coating everything.

Posted by: Oldstoke at September 11, 2020 10:26 PM (sb+Cg)

85 Kevin Bacon vs. AntiFa

https://tinyurl.com/y52ds9kr

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at September 11, 2020 10:26 PM (p9NJz)

86 George W Bush was a President for one moment. 9/11 was that moment.
Posted by: Puddleglum at September 11, 2020 10:25 PM (XZqCH)

And with Religion of Peace it was gone.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at September 11, 2020 10:26 PM (/Dgcm)

87 The sad thing is that a lot of people forgot the next day some didn't even get what they were supposed to remember.

And the Democrats started plotting how to tear us apart as soon as we found common cause.

Because that's what they do. That's what they always do.

After the last 50 years of political observation I've come to the conclusion that the Democrats as a political group are not worth preservation. They are worse than the French.

Posted by: jakee308 at September 11, 2020 10:26 PM (ny0bQ)

88 I was in my final week of basic training, out in the woods on FTX.

Didn't see footage until we got back to garrison two days later.

Posted by: SMH at September 11, 2020 10:27 PM (RU4sa)

89 i. learned. everything. i. need. to. know. about. islam. on. 911.

Posted by: sound awake at September 11, 2020 10:27 PM (0OxUd)

90 81 This day still pisses me off. A lot in fact, Everyone, please remember Rick Rescorla on this day. I saw the smoke rising from the Pentagon from my shop...
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Posted by: Jesse in DC at September 11, 2020 10:25 PM (ouR/N)

I remember

Posted by: PUE 206 at September 11, 2020 10:28 PM (D/SYi)

91 someone earlier mentioned the French documentarians who were shooting that day. If you have not seen that, it is worth seeing. I don't know the name of the piece but I bet you can get there with French, 9/11, documentary.
Posted by: Quint at September 11, 2020 10:24 PM

That's an amazing documentary. It's simply called 9/11 (2002).

Posted by: JuJuBee, just generally being shamey at September 11, 2020 10:28 PM (mNhhD)

92 Would that we take the opportunity of this day to strengthen our resolve to stand up against evil.

I pray that God gives me the wisdom to know the right thing to do, the insight to know when to do it and the courage to actually do it.

God Bless America, and the ideals of personal liberties and individual responsibility.

Good night all.

Posted by: Muldoon at September 11, 2020 10:28 PM (Fc5rx)

93 Off, Manson sock.

That was me. Bush family delenda est.

Posted by: Taqiyyologist at September 11, 2020 10:28 PM (j3jZX)

94 kindltot
They have actually caught several arsonists.
Tough to deny it. One is hardcore antifa. He was caught by the WA state Patrol lighting a highway median on fire.
Now claims he was trying to put it out.
He is not being believed by most people.

Posted by: Winston, dreg of society at September 11, 2020 10:28 PM (d9Irc)

95 thanks for everything this week, Horde!

Good night!

Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain, Cryptid Anarchist at September 11, 2020 10:29 PM (xyf4l)

96 Never Forget:

I was at a Dr. Office and did not truly catch the significance of what had happened until almost Lunch. I remember cutting on the TV and seeing the images and watching stunned for about an hour. My 6 month old child knocked me out of my stupor, with his crying for a hug and lunch. I made him lunch and then I did the thing that so many friends said they wished they had done when I told them about it.

I took a pair of pliers and cut the plug off My TV. It was the same images over and over again and I would not let it harm my family. It would be two weeks before I would go to a hardware and fix it.

Posted by: Picric at September 11, 2020 10:29 PM (nonGu)

97 88 George W Bush was a President for one moment. 9/11 was that moment.
Posted by: Puddleglum at September 11, 2020 10:25 PM (XZqCH)

And with Religion of Peace it was gone.
Posted by: Burnt Toast

Like I wrote. He was a President for a moment.

Posted by: Puddleglum at September 11, 2020 10:29 PM (XZqCH)

98 Posted by: Muldoon at September 11, 2020 10:28 PM (Fc5rx)

Amen.

Posted by: Oldstoke at September 11, 2020 10:29 PM (sb+Cg)

99 Never forget my brothers and sisters.

Posted by: Muad'dib at September 11, 2020 10:29 PM (fZqIv)

100 The power of the memorial I proposed is that it would be brutal and raw, and unique, and representative of the actual people. It would also show how the people came from all over the world.

I did the calculations, and there were plenty of columns to do this.

I got the idea partially from the Stepping Stones project in europe to place a cobblestone outside the residence of people killed in the holocaust. Also the Lockerbie statues of mothers in grief.

The idea was just raw steel, with laser cut or welded markings, set in concrete (the columns would need tab to stick down into the concrete)

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at September 11, 2020 10:29 PM (LWu6U)

101 All of the Arab nations from Afghanistan to Sudan, and from the Med south to Somalia, are fortunate that Americans are not as depraved and vindictive as those nations' muslim rulers, ayatollahs, chiefs, and citizens.

Otherwise, all of them would have been vaporized or incinerated 18 years and 51 weeks ago.
Posted by: Gref at September 11, 2020 10:19 PM (AMIL/)

I do think there should have been death squads sent out, to identify and kill all close relatives of the 19 (?) hijackers that carried out the attack.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 11, 2020 10:29 PM (yuA3x)

102 Casual Friday ONT Compliance Pics

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Posted by: kbdabear at September 11, 2020 10:29 PM (qAR6u)

103 90 I was in my final week of basic training, out in the woods on FTX.

Didn't see footage until we got back to garrison two days later.
Posted by: SMH at September 11, 2020 10:27 PM (RU4sa)

On ship in the Med woke from sleeping. I remember.

Posted by: PUE 206 at September 11, 2020 10:29 PM (D/SYi)

104 So PT News Network stream on PooTube just ran a video of another streamer's conversation with a Sheriff's Dep. confirming the Oregon fires are pantifa-caused.

Posted by: Jackie Mason at September 11, 2020 10:29 PM (cTWgC)

105 Words mean things.

I'm so fucking sick and tired of the treacle'd expressions of "tragedy" and "loss" as to this day.

As if some random electrical short had burned down an apartment building, with the loss of a half-dozen lives. That's a tragedy. That's a loss.

9/11 was a full-on Atrocity, nothing less. We suffered the multiple attacks of murderous savages, racking up about 3,000 dead, all in the space of barely an hour.

We suffered the loss of National Landmarks in the Towers, a near-decapitation of our National Defense Headquarters in D.C., and a precious acre of now-sacred pasture in PA.

Atrocity is a word, a term having meaning, which cries out for Revenge, for Justice, for Righteous Anger and our eternal Emnity towards those responsible for the outrageous acts.

The nineteen vermin who died on the planes, well. They died.

Those truly responsible mostly still live. Most of them in posh luxury in Saudi cities, a scan few in the wilds of Afghanistan. And very likely a handful embedded into the Deep State of which we will never be rid unless they're sought out, hunted down and ruthlessly dealt with as the subhuman vermin they are.

Tora Bora should have seen a small nuke, and likely Rydah, too. Medina next, if they didn't take us seriously.

Our Deep State traitors deserve hanging. A firing squad implies honor; they have none.

Please always remember. Atrocity

Please evermore, call this thing by it's only right name.

And never, ever forget.

Vengence is our undying watchword. No quarter. Ever, till the end of time.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at September 11, 2020 10:29 PM (QzJWU)

106 I was in the Air Force when it happened. Stationed at Tyndall, helpless to do anything except watch (would have been helpless in any event, I guess).

All these years later. Aside from the general horror of it all, seeing the people getting interviewed who had watched people forced to jump to their deaths....just awful. I remember the haunted looks on those people's faces, more than anything.

And then THAT stuff got memory-holed. But that's one of the things we all need to remember happened that day.

Posted by: Andy_in_Colorado at September 11, 2020 10:30 PM (CBrao)

107 Muldoon
Amen!

Posted by: Winston, dreg of society at September 11, 2020 10:30 PM (d9Irc)

108 Riyadh was fun that day.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at September 11, 2020 10:30 PM (hGohp)

109 51: Your wife is definitely not from my family, which viewed violence in movies and on television and simply said "HO. HUM."

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at September 11, 2020 10:30 PM (SSJSf)

110 Tough to deny it. One is hardcore antifa. He was caught by the WA state Patrol lighting a highway median on fire.

Posted by: Winston

I fear if I lived there and saw him trying to set a fire, he'd be very stable lying on the side of the road.

Posted by: Tonypete at September 11, 2020 10:30 PM (Rvt88)

111
THE HILL: Democrat in House race against Republican Marjorie Taylor Greene drops out, says he is leaving Georgia

Georgia state law only allows a party to replace a candidate 60 or more days from the election.

53 days to Election Day
What about the Torricelli Rule ?

Posted by: SMOD at September 11, 2020 10:30 PM (X5CsJ)

112 Posted by: Jim at September 11, 2020 10:29 PM (QzJWU)

Killed a lot of people over it.

I remember.

Posted by: PUE 206 at September 11, 2020 10:31 PM (D/SYi)

113 Posted by: Netflix at September 11, 2020 10:20 PM (kOpft) the station warned that they couldn't edit out the sounds of the jumpers landing because there were too many of them.

Heard today a NYPD guy who was there saying that there were so many bodies falling that many people "safe" on the ground were killed by them.

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at September 11, 2020 10:31 PM (2C38g)

114 I do think there should have been death squads sent out, to identify and kill all close relatives of the 19 (?) hijackers that carried out the attack.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 11, 2020 10:29 PM (yuA3x)

And any cleric who propagated violent jihad.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at September 11, 2020 10:31 PM (/Dgcm)

115 More Casual Friday ONT Compliance Pics

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Posted by: kbdabear at September 11, 2020 10:31 PM (qAR6u)

116 74 someone earlier mentioned the French documentarians who were shooting that day. If you have not seen that, it is worth seeing. I don't know the name of the piece but I bet you can get there with French, 9/11, documentary.

Posted by: Quint at September 11, 2020 10:24 PM (JCBMS)

It's simply titled "9/11". One of the most chilling and powerful aspects of it is the semi-frequent loud thuds heard and recorded from inside the street-level lobby of the North Tower. Each thud is the impact of the body of a jumper.

Posted by: Gref at September 11, 2020 10:32 PM (AMIL/)

117 Later on, I was in a garage where some damaged city vehicles were stored.

Posted by: klaftern at September 11, 2020 10:32 PM (RuIsu)

118 well after dinner, i am holed up in my office with a Mississippi Mud beer. My 14 year and and 12 year old girls have been brainwashed by my liberal wife to believe:
1 Trump is RAYCIS
2. Trump is Satan
3. Black lives matter above all else.

I have tried to fight them with facts and it falls on deaf ears.

I'm a fucking failure. I work hard, I've done countless years for God and Country, and my own family has lost their collective mind because my wife is a liberal.

So take heed from my story- it starts with a family, it ends with a country burning to the ground.

Top it off with shitty hazardous air from the wildfires.

What a fucking day.

Posted by: Jack Burton, who said, I'm a reasonable guy but i've just seen some unreasonable things at September 11, 2020 10:32 PM (1+Jvs)

119 110 Riyadh was fun that day.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at September 11, 2020 10:30 PM (hGohp)

Cant imagine, but I remember.

Posted by: PUE 206 at September 11, 2020 10:33 PM (D/SYi)

120 shit i forot to mention what started this. Neither of the schools my girls go to mentioned 9-11 or why this day is signficant.
And i live in a RED county in a red section of WA State.

Posted by: Jack Burton, who said, I'm a reasonable guy but i've just seen some unreasonable things at September 11, 2020 10:33 PM (1+Jvs)

121 Sorry, Kbdabear. Not today.

Posted by: Chin music at September 11, 2020 10:34 PM (NVX+A)

122 I remember the weather. It was a gorgeous day. Blue sky, not a cloud to be seen. My sister still calls a day like that, "It's 9/11 weather."

Posted by: JuJuBee, just generally being shamey at September 11, 2020 10:34 PM (mNhhD)

123 Heard today a NYPD guy who was there saying that there were so many bodies falling that many people "safe" on the ground were killed by them.
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar

---

iirc, one of the first identified dead was a NYFD chaplain. Killed by a falling body. There's a pic of him being carried away from the scene by other firefighters.

Posted by: Tonypete at September 11, 2020 10:34 PM (Rvt88)

124 120 well after dinner, i am holed up in my office with a Mississippi Mud beer. My 14 year and and 12 year old girls have been brainwashed by my liberal wife to believe:
1 Trump is RAYCIS
2. Trump is Satan
3. Black lives matter above all else.

I have tried to fight them with facts and it falls on deaf ears.

I'm a fucking failure. I work hard, I've done countless years for God and Country, and my own family has lost their collective mind because my wife is a liberal.

So take heed from my story- it starts with a family, it ends with a country burning to the ground.

Top it off with shitty hazardous air from the wildfires.

What a fucking day.
Posted by: Jack Burton, who said, I'm a reasonable guy but i've just seen some unreasonable things at September 11, 2020 10:32 PM (1+Jvs)

Not your fault and I remember.

Posted by: PUE 206 at September 11, 2020 10:34 PM (D/SYi)

125 I remember that day extremely well.

My university did not cancel classes. The day progressed as it usually did...except the A/V departments rolled out all the TVs. They were everywhere. A blood drive, scheduled for that day, was MOBBED. I had two classes on that Tuesday, one was already done, so I spent my time wandering the campus, running into people I knew, whether they were in my program or ROTC, and talking about what had happened. At some point I got some food and ate lunch, eyes glued to the TV.

The next class wasn't until 2pm, so I eventually made my way back to ROTC, where a bunch of cadets and I were sitting around, some standing, engaged in the following conversation: "If this happened when Reagan was President, how much of the Middle East would be destroyed at this point?"

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at September 11, 2020 10:34 PM (SSJSf)

126 118 Gref

"murder victim," not "jumper"

Posted by: mnw at September 11, 2020 10:34 PM (Cssks)

127 81

This day still pisses me off. A lot in fact, Everyone, please remember Rick Rescorla on this day.

Posted by: Jesse in DC at September 11, 2020 10:25 PM

Rick Rescorla - Someone You Should Know

Blackfive: https://bit.ly/3iq6Rj9

His Actions Saved Thousands

After the second plane hit the south tower on Sept. 11, some people panicked when one staircase filled with smoke. Using his bullhorn, Rescorla directed them to a clear one. As on the battlefield, he sang to keep workers calm.

Even after it appeared that Rescorla evacuated most of the Morgan Stanley employees, he returned to check for stragglers. As Olson was working his way down on about the 10th floor he saw Rescorla going back up.

"I said, 'Rick, you have got to get out of there,' and he said, 'I will, as soon as I get everyone out,' " Olson said.

It was the last known sighting of Rescorla.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at September 11, 2020 10:34 PM (Do5/p)

128 Such a beautiful song, and you can both of them are still upset by it. Knopfler is an amazing writer, and Emmylou is always great in a duet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jK_9ppta_M0

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 11, 2020 10:34 PM (pZ6Du)

129 I think someone here pointed this out the other day, but maybe in another way.

It has been a while since the last Instant Jihad. I wonder why that is?

Posted by: Oldstoke at September 11, 2020 10:07 PM (sb+Cg)

There have been quite a few convictions for plots over the last 4 years here in the US. Trump has shut down the visa 'lottery' pipeline, and made it harder to cross over our borders uninvited.

In a totes non-heralded bit of news from a day or 2 ago, US agents, working with a South American country, busted a kingpin human smuggler who was quite involved in slipping muzzies into the US.

So, lots of things going on behind the scenes.

Posted by: GnuBreed at September 11, 2020 10:35 PM (Z4rgH)

130 I do think there should have been death squads sent
out, to identify and kill all close relatives of the 19 (?) hijackers
that carried out the attack.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 11, 2020 10:29 PM (yuA3x)

Thats the spirit.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at September 11, 2020 10:35 PM (9Om/r)

131 And yeah, the moment Bush called Islam a "religion of peace" (which flew in the face of 1400 years of history) I knew that Bush was an appeaser and would lead the country into embracing our sworn enemies.

Yes one should forgive one's enemies and in the face of actual remorse and abject requests for forgiveness should be forgiven.

But Islam is a force for evil. For slavery. For war. For retribution.

They see forgiveness by their enemies as a respite to rearm. They see promises of peace as lies to secure a better position on the battlefield.

This was clear to anyone who's sight was steady and sane 20 years ago.

For Bush to claim otherwise meant either he was ignorant and refused to learn or he was complicit and was lying to lull people's anger.

Oh he recognized that Islam was a danger but it was a danger to the "New World Order" of his daddy and his pals in the CIA. One which to this day they continue to strive for at the expense of America and Americans.

And that applies to John *spit* Roberts.

May they all die a death of a thousand cuts then tossed into a barrel of pickle brine for a million years the retrieved and set on fire in the deepest hottest river of magma that Hell has to offer. Then revive them and do it all again.

Posted by: jakee308 at September 11, 2020 10:35 PM (ny0bQ)

132 I always think about this unknown guy today. He climbed out of a window and tried to
climb down the outside of one of the towers. He didn't get far before
he fell but at least he tried, God bless his soul.

Posted by: Javems at September 11, 2020 10:35 PM (ofIwF)

133 This was insta-willowed on the last thread:

Company I'm currently working for is offering "Systemic Racism" training, for free!

Really,
guys? If systemic racism is a problem within the company you fools have
the power to change it immediately. If you can't do it, then it either
doesn't exist or you're incompetent.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com lives again at September 11, 2020 10:35 PM (SchxB)

134 9/11 should serve as a reminder to all that America has enemies. The very first thing that happened after we declared our independence was that war was declared on us.

It never ceases to amaze me that most other countries don't emulate us by embracing freedom for their own people. They could have the same prosperity we have, yet they refuse that one simple thing for their people. It's a sad thing when people would rather hate us for being free instead of being free themselves.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Joe Biden killed my career at September 11, 2020 10:35 PM (HaL55)

135 I had to teach a class today for cops and crime analysts. My coworker very sweetly asked if I wanted some time at the beginning to recognize the day. (Canadian)

In the end, I opted against it. I explained that most memorials are timed for when the planes hit the towers, and it might seem incongruous to say something much later in the day. Not to mention that such a thing would come across to me as virtue signaling of a different kind.

But it wasn't an easy call.

Posted by: Oldstoke at September 11, 2020 10:35 PM (sb+Cg)

136 128 118 Gref

"murder victim," not "jumper"

Posted by: mnw at September 11, 2020 10:34 PM (Cssks)

You are right. An error I will not make again.

Posted by: Gref at September 11, 2020 10:36 PM (AMIL/)

137 119 Later on, I was in a garage where some damaged city vehicles were stored.
Posted by: klaftern at September 11, 2020 10:32 PM (RuIsu)

Sorry man, fuck, but I remember.

Posted by: PUE 206 at September 11, 2020 10:36 PM (D/SYi)

138 I do think there should have been death squads sent out, to identify and kill all close relatives of the 19 (?) hijackers that carried out the attack.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 11, 2020 10:29 PM

binLaden's relatives were allowed to leave by Bush, within hours of the attacks. Leavin' on a midnight plane for Saudi.

Posted by: JuJuBee, just generally being shamey at September 11, 2020 10:36 PM (mNhhD)

139 Thanks for the ONT.

It HAS been pretty quiet the past few years, eh?

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 11, 2020 10:36 PM (cI3Q7)

140 Posted by: Jim at September 11, 2020 10:29 PM (QzJWU)

I knew in my heart that Bush (and what is now the Deep State) had betrayed the American people when NOTHING in the ME glowed on 12SEP2001.

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at September 11, 2020 10:36 PM (2C38g)

141 Found Fr. Mychal Fallon Judge, O.F.M. picture.

https://tinyurl.com/y4wxve5z

Posted by: Tonypete at September 11, 2020 10:37 PM (Rvt88)

142 107: Jim, I'd fist bump you if I were on the Gulf Coast.

To me, 9/11/01 would be tragic IF the 767s fell out of the skies and you could see the pilots struggling to not hit the buildings. Tragedy would apply if it was the result of an accident.

I like atrocity MUCH better.

I cringe every time I hear "tragedy" in relation to 9/11/01.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at September 11, 2020 10:37 PM (SSJSf)

143 Posted by: Oldstoke at September 11, 2020 10:35 PM (sb+Cg)

Cant dwell in the past, but cant forget, I remember.

Posted by: PUE 206 at September 11, 2020 10:37 PM (D/SYi)

144 Posted by: Jack Burton, who said, I'm a reasonable guy but i've just seen some unreasonable things at September 11, 2020 10:32 PM (1+Jvs)

.....

Sorry dude.

Begin stashing money away. Quit-claim any holdings you can into a trusted friends/family members name.

You can't always win the battles, but you can prepare strategies to win the war long term.

She betrayed you when she went woke and brainwashed your progeny. You owe no allegiance,

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at September 11, 2020 10:38 PM (p9NJz)

145 I already told this in the EMT but here goes. I was watching CNBC but I was at the tail end of on all nighter and had to hit the rack at some point. I probably slept three hours before I was awoken to the news. The first tower was already down and my first thought was the markets. I was not being crass, it was just the first thing I thought about. The markets were closed. I watched CNBC all day as that was my channel for info back then.

I drove down to the as close as I could get to the Pentagon for some reason. It was way later in the day and I could not keep still. The town was a ghost town at the time but a group gathered on the parkway and looked at the smoke from the Pentagon.

It turns out my dad was very nearby when it happened but he got home safe. These are just random thoughts about that day.
We should never forget. And we should become that country again that stood strong. Yes , that means defeat the Left.

Posted by: Quint at September 11, 2020 10:38 PM (JCBMS)

146
I have tried to fight them with facts and it falls on deaf ears.

I'm a fucking failure. I work hard, I've done countless years for God and Country, and my own family has lost their collective mind because my wife is a liberal.

So take heed from my story- it starts with a family, it ends with a country burning to the ground.

Top it off with shitty hazardous air from the wildfires.

What a fucking day.
Posted by: Jack Burton, who said, I'm a reasonable guy but i've just seen some unreasonable things at September 11, 2020 10:32 PM (1+Jvs)

Brother Jack, I hope to meet you at the next PacNWMoMe, where we can share beers and figure out a strategy to help your daughters understand reality.

Without them being sacrificed at the altar of Leftism like "Cuties" actresses.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at September 11, 2020 10:38 PM (sy5kK)

147 I believe we are currently under terrorist attack by antifa/blm and certain media elements and democrats are acting in concert to facilitate these attacks and provide cover to maximize damage and Americans who will be killed.

Posted by: Moxie Jackson at September 11, 2020 10:38 PM (cTWgC)

148 I like atrocity MUCH better.

I cringe every time I hear "tragedy" in relation to 9/11/01.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at September 11, 2020 10:37 PM (SSJSf)

Mass murderers is apt. I remember.

Posted by: PUE 206 at September 11, 2020 10:39 PM (D/SYi)

149 I was at work. West burbs of Chicago..
I can't remember how I first heard about it, but the boss has a tiny 7 inch CRT TV in his office with rabbit ears and we pile in there trying to get some coverage..
Later as they pulled all existing flights out of the sky, I went out to the parking lot and was amazed at the quiet. We were in the take off pattern for O'Hare and landing for Midway.. there are always planes in the sky..
I'll never forget.. and they still want to get us.. 20 years later..

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 11, 2020 10:39 PM (CjFDo)

150 Even the ragheads that day felt sorry for us.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at September 11, 2020 10:39 PM (hGohp)

151 The weird part was later in the day, all those hospitals and medical personnel waiting, waiting, waiting for the thousands of injured...and nothing. Some people survived but most were pulverized into dust. I understand they still find human remains on the tops of buildings in Manhattan.

Posted by: JuJuBee, just generally being shamey at September 11, 2020 10:40 PM (mNhhD)

152 I was probably the last person to know about the attack. I lived in a rooming house in St. Joe, MI, no radio or television. I had a second shift job doing data entry at a Sears rebate cubicle farm. At about 4 in the afternoon, I put down the Left Behind book I was reading and walked to work, downtown.

I saw it in a Herald-Palladium newspaper box, both towers on fire, and I bought a paper. I stopped at the coffee shop and got my coffee, and everyone was dead-eyed and morose. I read the article on the way in. I got fired because I couldn't concentrate on the typing. I had just gotten out of yet another stint in a hospital psych ward for depression. I remember, in the night of 9/11, sitting up thinking about the dumb bitch psychologist who told me there is no such thing as evil, just a week or two before.

I kinda wanted to go back in, and have some words with her, about that sage advice of hers.

Posted by: Taqiyyologist at September 11, 2020 10:40 PM (j3jZX)

153 9-11 was when I clearly understood that there were two kinds of Americans: those who love and defend the USA and those who hate it and tear it down.

Here's a video about the kinds of Americans who love and defend the USA - the amazing Americans who rescued people from lower Manhattan on 9-11: https://tinyurl.com/y4o5ekw5

Posted by: RondinellaMamma at September 11, 2020 10:40 PM (8/7u2)

154 9-11. here is my story.

I was a young 1LT on active duty. Ammunition Company XO at Fort Lewis. Came in for PT; on the drive in, I heard Kirby Wilbur on 570 KVI talking about how something was going down in New York. Small plane may have hit a skyscraper. Got to the office, internet was really slow. web pages took forever to load.
thought it was a glitch, went to pt. Day was nice; sun was up and as i was coming back from a platoon run, ran into my 1SG. Said we'd been attacked.
Got showered and dressed and spent the next 8 hours glued to the TV in the day room. Everyone was clueless. Fort Lewis went into FPCON D- the highest security level. There was talk of issuing arms and ammo to soldiers and have them walk the perimeters, but we didn't know who they would be guarding against. Eventually we go word it had been a terrorist attack.
Later that day, my 1SG had us form up outside. he said, "we will be deployed fighting in less than a year."
he was right. May of 2002, I found myself in Afghanistan.

Posted by: Jack Burton, who said, I'm a reasonable guy but i've just seen some unreasonable things at September 11, 2020 10:41 PM (1+Jvs)

155 RIP, Falling Man and all Patriots lost that sad day.

Still rips my heart out every year.

God bless President Trump and our brave soldiers and first responders. Today and every day.

Posted by: Legally Sufficient at September 11, 2020 10:41 PM (WFcrO)

156 68

Only 7 years later we elected Barack Hussein Obama.

Posted by: Jewells45 at September 11, 2020 10:22 PM

Yep. Americans elected to the Presidency a man who for 20 years was mentored by a man who said that 9/11 terrorist attacks were a result of "AmeriKKKa's chickens coming home to roost".

Despicable. American culture and society had been rotting for years and the election of such a radical America-hater like Obama less than 10 years after 9/11 terrorist attacks showed just how rotten it had become... despicable.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at September 11, 2020 10:41 PM (Do5/p)

157 I'm not making 9/11 about me, but of interest I was supposed to take my wife (then girlfriend) on a trip to NYC - she was from a very small town had never been anywhere like it - and we were going to start at the WTC.

I couldn't wait as they were my favorite buildings in the world, having grown up somewhat nearby. A friend of mine spooked her by telling her to hang on to her handbag tight, and so we canceled the trip.

It was Saturday September 8, 2001.

Posted by: ... at September 11, 2020 10:42 PM (fo0S2)

158 I cringe every time I hear "tragedy" in relation to 9/11/01.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at September 11, 2020 10:37 PM (SSJSf)
==============

Stepping on an errant Lego in the middle of the night as a parent with a young child is "tragedy".

9/11 was a massive murdering spree of innocent people.

And I am reminded of this every time I see a news clip of any "Squad" member.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at September 11, 2020 10:42 PM (sy5kK)

159 "Kevin Bacon vs. AntiFa"

Now that was hilarious.

Posted by: Drink Like Vikings at September 11, 2020 10:42 PM (teLzg)

160
It never ceases to amaze me that most other countries don't emulate us by embracing freedom for their own people. They could have the same prosperity we have, yet they refuse that one simple thing for their people. It's a sad thing when people would rather hate us for being free instead of being free themselves.

Fuck "the people", what's in it for me?

Posted by: Dictatorland at September 11, 2020 10:42 PM (Qv8ZI)

161 Our Deep State traitors deserve hanging. A firing squad implies honor; they have none.

Please always remember. Atrocity

Please evermore, call this thing by it's only right name.

And never, ever forget.

Vengence is our undying watchword. No quarter. Ever, till the end of time.

Amen.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Joe Biden killed my career at September 11, 2020 10:43 PM (HaL55)

162 I walked into work a couple of minutes after the first one hit. A lot of commotion in the news room so went directly in and watched in stunned silence with about 20 other people when the second plane hit. Then things got busy. Once the Pentagon was hit, the Mother Ship sent out word to all stations countrywide to lock-down. That meant all non-essentials were sent home, and the building was seriously locked down and national emergency protocols were started. First time in 20 years in the media business I had ever experienced that. It was disturbing on top of the sick feeling that we didn't know what more was coming.

Posted by: DailyDish at September 11, 2020 10:43 PM (cRbt7)

163 Never Forget.

Never, ever forget.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at September 11, 2020 10:43 PM (+MpRO)

164
We had a quarterly meeting that morning. At a break I was in the gents and someone else said that a plane had flown into the WTC. I thought it was some light plane, or similar to the B-25 that collided with the Empire State Building in 1945.

The meeting resumed, but soon the R&D director got up, said there was a serious situation in New York City and adjourned us.

A TV had been set up in a conference room on our floor. I watched the towers collapse and there was a feeling of unreality; is this really happening?

All I can remember of the drive home was that it was a beautiful, crisp, cloudless day in Cincinnati.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 11, 2020 10:44 PM (mht8P)

165 The idea was just raw steel, with laser cut or welded markings, set in concrete (the columns would need tab to stick down into the concrete)
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at September 11, 2020 10:29 PM (LWu6U)
* * * *

What a lovely, emotional, and perfect idea for memorial!

Posted by: Legally Sufficient at September 11, 2020 10:44 PM (WFcrO)

166 Posted by: Jim at September 11, 2020 10:29 PM (QzJWU)

I knew in my heart that Bush (and what is now the Deep State) had
betrayed the American people when NOTHING in the ME glowed on 12SEP2001.

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar

..............
and where would you have dumped those? Riyadh since 15 out of 19 were Saudis??

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 11, 2020 10:44 PM (CjFDo)

167 I was on the way to Madison, Wisconsin to pick up some grout when I heard it on Bob and Tom. Sounded crazy. I watched it on TV with my wife and preschool kids in Janesville that night. Remember that they closed the skies after that? I remember seeing a bifold cropduster flying during the ban. And a sky writer that smoked out USA! During the lockdown. Top men. Huge nuts

Posted by: Nobody at September 11, 2020 10:44 PM (Au95N)

168
Brother Jack, I hope to meet you at the next PacNWMoMe, where we can share beers and figure out a strategy to help your daughters understand reality.

Without them being sacrificed at the altar of Leftism like "Cuties" actresses.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at September 11, 2020 10:38 PM (sy5kK)

LeftCoast Dawg, whiskey is on me. Look forward to it. My son is at least not lost. he realizes BLM is a military deception. Or...civil deception...would be more apt. Okay psyops.

Posted by: Jack Burton, who said, I'm a reasonable guy but i've just seen some unreasonable things at September 11, 2020 10:44 PM (1+Jvs)

169 Despicable. American culture and society had been
rotting for years and the election of such a radical America-hater like
Obama less than 10 years after 9/11 terrorist attacks showed just how
rotten it had become... despicable.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at September 11, 2020 10:41 PM (Do5/p)

Even worse they were laughing at us in 2004 when in his "coming out" speech, they wrote those words for him about "no red America" and "no blue America". They knew exactly what their endgame was - the opposite - and if anyone doesn't think so by now, they are a damned fool.

Posted by: ... at September 11, 2020 10:44 PM (fo0S2)

170 Since most of the areas that are claiming there is systemic racism are run by Democrats then shouldn't the first to take these classes should be the Democrats?

It's in the Democrat run cities where most of the black folks live and they're the ones who run racist police departments and schools.

Some one should be pointing this out in a tv Ad.

We need to shrug off the usual "our colleagues" attitude and start naming them for what they are and what they do and what and who gets hurt by it.

Posted by: jakee308 at September 11, 2020 10:44 PM (ny0bQ)

171 The Last Known Sighting of An American Hero

Blackfive: https://bit.ly/2FxBHrS

"Today is a day to be proud to be American"

Those words were shouted by Rick Rescorla as he herded 2700 people out of tower two, September 11, 2001.

"Men of Cornwall stop your dreaming
Can't you see their spear points gleaming?
See their warriors' pennants streaming
To this battlefield.
Men of Cornwall stand ye steady
It cannot be ever said ye
for the battle were not ready.
STAND AND NEVER YIELD!"
- "Men of Harlech"

Sung by Rick Rescorla in the Ia Drang Valley 1965 and in the stairway of WTC Tower 2 on September 11, 2001

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at September 11, 2020 10:45 PM (Do5/p)

172 I remember, and get madder every year. I remain furious that the entire Middle East isn't still smoking.

God forgive me, I am hoping the jihadis pull some shit right after we leave ShitHoleistan, giving Donnie two Scoops a good excuse to turn the entire region into glass.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 11, 2020 10:45 PM (pZ6Du)

173 I am not forgetting 11SEP2001 while I draw breath.

My daughter was in the Pentagon that day and had walked through the impact area ten minutes before the plane hit. We did not know if she had made it and was safe until three PM that day because all comms and traffic were screwed up.

The Bushs were and are still effing globalists!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at September 11, 2020 10:45 PM (2C38g)

174 159 I'm not making 9/11 about me, but of interest I was supposed to take my wife (then girlfriend) on a trip to NYC - she was from a very small town had never been anywhere like it - and we were going to start at the WTC.

I couldn't wait as they were my favorite buildings in the world, having grown up somewhat nearby. A friend of mine spooked her by telling her to hang on to her handbag tight, and so we canceled the trip.

It was Saturday September 8, 2001.
Posted by: ... at September 11, 2020 10:42 PM (fo0S2)

Its no5 about you its a charming story, I remember.

Posted by: PUE 206 at September 11, 2020 10:45 PM (D/SYi)

175 It's a sad thing when people would rather hate us for being free instead of being free themselves.

Fuck "the people", what's in it for me?

Posted by: Dictatorland at September 11, 2020 10:42 PM (Qv8ZI)
I think 2020 is teaching us that many Americans don't want to be free.

Posted by: ... at September 11, 2020 10:45 PM (fo0S2)

176 It was a surreal day. Dad woke me up saying there was something odd going on and I should come see. Got out to the living room in time to see the second plane hit. No accident. Watched all day. The burning. People jumping. The first tower collapsing. Then the second.

Got out in the afternoon to drive around, but the red cross nearby was closed. Everything was closed. Streets empty.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 11, 2020 10:46 PM (cI3Q7)

177 Posted by: PUE 206 at September 11, 2020 10:45 PM (D/SYi)

Thank you.

Posted by: ... at September 11, 2020 10:46 PM (fo0S2)

178 A few days later, was talking with a neighbor that had mid-grade kids in the local public school.

The teachers apparently weren't allowed to comment on what the kids saw before they went to school, and a parent said the public school kids that coming home, most were very upset. Of course they were, fools!

Sometimes, all you can do is pray. And prayer works.

Too bad the Leftists have banned the simplest, most cost effective, and most powerful tool that has been proven time and time again to help people cope with horrible events.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at September 11, 2020 10:23 PM (sy5kK)

This reminds me of when I was in elementary school, in Germany. As I was in Germany, I did not see the Challenger disaster the same way most other kids did in America at the time. I was finishing my dinner at home when we saw it happen.

The next day when we got into class of course that is all we could talk about. The mistake we made was asking the teacher about it, who immediately blew up at us for discussing it or asking her about it. I already despised her at that point. Any respect I had for her at that point was gone.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at September 11, 2020 10:46 PM (SSJSf)

179 175 I am not forgetting 11SEP2001 while I draw breath.

My daughter was in the Pentagon that day and had walked through the impact area ten minutes before the plane hit. We did not know if she had made it and was safe until three PM that day because all comms and traffic were screwed up.

The Bushs were and are still effing globalists!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at September 11, 2020 10:45 PM (2C38g)

Cant imagine your fear, I remember.

Posted by: PUE 206 at September 11, 2020 10:47 PM (D/SYi)

180 I think 2020 is teaching us that many Americans don't want to be free.
Posted by: ... at September 11, 2020 10:45 PM (fo0S2)

As depressing as this statement is, I fear you are correct.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 11, 2020 10:48 PM (NWiLs)

181 I never went back to that Left Behind series, either. The part I had just finished reading, when I had to go to work and found out about the attack, was the bad guys were bombing Chicago.

Life was more real than LaHaye and Jenkins' fantasy.

Posted by: Taqiyyologist at September 11, 2020 10:48 PM (j3jZX)

182 I think 2020 is teaching us that many Americans don't want to be free.

To steal some language from the Texas Declaration of Independence, a lot of Americans are more than happy to acquiesce in the destruction of their liberty, and are unfit to be free, and incapable of self-government.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at September 11, 2020 10:48 PM (SSJSf)

183
It's simply titled "9/11". One of the most chilling and powerful aspects of it is the semi-frequent loud thuds heard and recorded from inside the street-level lobby of the North Tower. Each thud is the impact of the body of a jumper.
Posted by: Gref at September 11, 2020 10:32 PM (AMIL/)

I remember that, watched maybe a minute, then had to turn it off when it finally hit me what was happening.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at September 11, 2020 10:48 PM (sy5kK)

184 Posted by: Jack Burton, who said, I'm a reasonable guy but i've just seen some unreasonable things at September 11, 2020 10:32 PM (1+Jvs)

You are most certainly NOT a failure.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 11, 2020 10:48 PM (pZ6Du)

185 I've always wondered; did they KNOW that the buildings would collapse or was that an unforeseen occurrence that surprised them too?

Posted by: jakee308 at September 11, 2020 10:48 PM (ny0bQ)

186 19 years later, what is the main concern of Democrats

How tragic 9-11 was for all the muzzies who got angry stares

Posted by: kbdabear at September 11, 2020 10:49 PM (qAR6u)

187 and where would you have dumped those? Riyadh since 15 out of 19 were Saudis??

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 11, 2020 10:44 PM (CjFDo)

Riyadh would have been a good start.

Mecca on the published short list!

All Saudi nationals detained in camps (maybe Gitmo) until further notice, not given first class air travel out out of restricted US air space!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at September 11, 2020 10:49 PM (2C38g)

188 Here's a comment I posted in today's Morning Report. The nation-wide unity and patriotism after 9/11 was short-lived. Sad and infuriating.

373 >>>>"Can we ever recover that patriotic unity we had in the aftermath of that horrible day? Or has 2020 set us on a path to utter disintegration?" 9/11: 19 Years Later <<<<

Patriotic unity for some, not all. Most all of the "peaceful" protestors destroying cities today were between zero and 15 years old on 9/11/01. They were not taught national unity or patriotism post-9/11 by their parents and teachers.

Posted by: Gref at September 11, 2020 09:17 AM (AMIL/)

Posted by: Gref at September 11, 2020 10:49 PM (AMIL/)

189 I still have Workers Comp cases from employees who were working in the Towers. Widow benefits.

Posted by: Weaning is hard at September 11, 2020 10:49 PM (2DOZq)

190 As Nacly Dog says every day.

Paraphrasing here.

Live, love, never forget.

My daily mantra includes:
Check freezer for revenge. Ensure backup power for freezer.

Remember the motherphucker what wronged ya.

Everything else is *types deletes*.

Posted by: BifBewalski 🂡 Moron at September 11, 2020 10:49 PM (VcFUs)

191 178 It was a surreal day. Dad woke me up saying there was something odd going on and I should come see. Got out to the living room in time to see the second plane hit. No accident. Watched all day. The burning. People jumping. The first tower collapsing. Then the second.

Got out in the afternoon to drive around, but the red cross nearby was closed. Everything was closed. Streets empty.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 11, 2020 10:46 PM (cI3Q7)

Heartbreaking, I remember.

Posted by: PUE 206 at September 11, 2020 10:50 PM (D/SYi)

192
I've always wondered; did they KNOW that the buildings would collapse or was that an unforeseen occurrence that surprised them too?
Posted by: jakee308

=======

I recall hearing that they didn't really know, and OBL's eyes lit up when he saw what happened.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at September 11, 2020 10:50 PM (G51Gf)

193 192 As Nacly Dog says every day.

Paraphrasing here.

Live, love, never forget.

My daily mantra includes:
Check freezer for revenge. Ensure backup power for freezer.

Remember the motherphucker what wronged ya.

Everything else is *types deletes*.
Posted by: BifBewalski Moron at September 11, 2020 10:49 PM (VcFUs)

Keep that shit on ice, I remember.

Posted by: PUE 206 at September 11, 2020 10:52 PM (D/SYi)

194 I remember a theory that the original contruction had had the support beams sheathed in asbestos to provide protection in case of catastrophic fire. The asbestos was removed, of course. Now in this case (LOTs of burning jet fuel) not sure whether it would have meant the towers stayed up, but probably would have bought more time for people to escape or rescuers to get to the roof?

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 11, 2020 10:52 PM (cI3Q7)

195 9/11 Remembered: Rick Rescorla Was a Soldier

The Mudville Gazette: https://bit.ly/3bQmFJw

Some insight into the man's character:

Rescorla may have told Susan that he was running barefoot as research for a play, but he had already been running barefoot in Africa, and then at Fort Dix, toughening his soles to the point where he could extinguish a fire with his bare feet. He told Hill that if he lost his boots in combat it wouldn't matter. This was something he'd absorbed from his years in Africa. "You should be able to strip a man naked and throw him out with nothing on him," he told Hill. By the end of the day, the man should be clothed and fed. By the end of the week, he should own a horse. And by the end of a year he should own a business and have money in the bank.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at September 11, 2020 10:53 PM (Do5/p)

196 Notice that no one asked Biden or Harris about today's anniversary.

They would both have responded, "who cares?"

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 11, 2020 10:53 PM (L2ZTs)

197 Like others, I woke up and turned on the news a few minutes after reports came in about the first plane hitting the WTC. I remembered the story of the B-25 crashing into the Empire State Building. Then I saw the second plane hit. It took a few seconds to process it, and then I thought "my country is going to war."

A bunch of us went to a bar after work to watch W's address to the nation. I kept expecting him to pull out a map and say "everything from here (circles Tripoli) to here (circles Tehran) will be gone by tomorrow morning."

Posted by: PabloD says start up the rotors at September 11, 2020 10:53 PM (KFnWd)

198 159 I'm not making 9/11 about me, but of interest I was
supposed to take my wife (then girlfriend) on a trip to NYC - she was
from a very small town had never been anywhere like it - and we were
going to start at the WTC.

I couldn't wait as they were my
favorite buildings in the world, having grown up somewhat nearby. A
friend of mine spooked her by telling her to hang on to her handbag
tight, and so we canceled the trip.

It was Saturday September 8, 2001.

Posted by: ... at September 11, 2020 10:42 PM (fo0S2)

I respect that ... So many make things about themselves these days.But this is about remembrance, We are telling our stories about what we recall. I also loved the Twin Towers and made a thing of it growing up.

I had a great trip to NYC i will never forget in the 80s. We went up to the top of everything they would allow; but there was something about those towers that transfixed me. On Christmas of 2001, my dear mother gave me a book on the Twin Towers. She knew what they meant to me as a kid.

But what people when through was what mattered. I didn't go through anything we all did. Those that lost their lives are who matter at this time.

It is an anecdote, but I am a fan of several sitcoms. For some reason many of those sitcoms were produced by David Angell. Angell died on 9/11 as he was a passenger on American Airlines 11.

Posted by: Quint at September 11, 2020 10:54 PM (JCBMS)

199 One of the things I've always wondered about is whether a fighter jet shot down Flight 93. I know the passengers bravely took on the hijackers but I also wonder if the order was given to take it out before it reached heavily populated areas.

Posted by: JuJuBee, just generally being shamey at September 11, 2020 10:54 PM (mNhhD)

200 I remember not having any idea what to do with myself. Could not find an open recruiting station or a red cross.

Helpless feeling.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 11, 2020 10:55 PM (cI3Q7)

201 Hard to believe that we are 19 years out

Posted by: In Exile at September 11, 2020 10:11 PM (kzzyk)

Which means 18-year-old kids voting this fall weren't even born yet.

Even though I was born in the late '50s, I remembered Pearl Harbor because it was taught to me. How can those 18 or 19-year-olds remember 9/11 when it's hate speech and islamophobic to teach about 9/11?

Posted by: RickZ at September 11, 2020 10:56 PM (Y8PSl)

202 The Democrats are letting you know that this will be the last election in America's history if they win the Presidency, Senate, & House in November.

Vote like your life depends on it because it does...

Sahil Kapur
@sahilkapur

NEW/exclusive: Democratic insiders and former Senate staffers set up a "war room" to quickly kill the filibuster in anticipation of a 2020 election sweep-and to pass big progressive bills.

Outcome of this fight will shape a potential Biden presidency Down pointing backhand index
Democratic insiders set up a 'war room' to quickly kill the filibuster
3:34 PM � Sep 11, 2020

Sahil Kapur
@sahilkapur

@SenatorReid says abolishing the Senate's 60-vote rule to pass bills "should be the first item of business" in 2021 if Democrats win it all.

"If President Biden wants to get things done, he can't play around with the filibuster," he tells NBC News.
Democratic insiders set up a 'war room' to quickly kill the filibuster
3:40 PM � Sep 11, 2020

Posted by: BetaCuck4Life at September 11, 2020 10:56 PM (FBrfY)

203 JuJuBee, that's of course possible, but it would then still be an incredible coincidence that the place hit the Pentagon.

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 11, 2020 10:56 PM (L2ZTs)

204 For those of you who have never seen it, I heartily recommend the movie United 93. It is great.

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 11, 2020 10:57 PM (L2ZTs)

205 I wished it in the days after but now I'm glad we did not attack the sacred sites of the Muslims.

Else Trump could not be doing what he's doing in the ME.

Yes we shouldn't have had to do anything but at least it shows there MAY be hope.

That said, Islam itself and it's purveyors and judges the Imams should be held accountable.

We need to force Islam to revive itself into a peaceful religion of the modern era and not the lurid hallucinations of a bedouin thief from the 1st millenia.

All other religions have had some sort of epiphany and made radical changes for the better (some lately have gotten off track though) and Islam needs to have one and soon or it will be suppressed out of the rest of the worlds fear and weariness at the constant blood shed.

We're just not all going to convert to Islam and that needs to be made clear.

Posted by: jakee308 at September 11, 2020 10:57 PM (ny0bQ)

206 I'm going to take my leave before the thread goes down any rabbit holes. Good night, and God bless you good people.

Posted by: Taqiyyologist at September 11, 2020 10:57 PM (j3jZX)

207 201 One of the things I've always wondered about is whether a fighter jet shot down Flight 93. I know the passengers bravely took on the hijackers but I also wonder if the order was given to take it out before it reached heavily populated areas.
Posted by: JuJuBee, just generally being shamey at September 11, 2020 10:54 PM (mNhhD)

Nope didnt have our act that together, but I remember.

Posted by: PUE 206 at September 11, 2020 10:57 PM (D/SYi)

208 JuJuBee, that's of course possible, but it would then still be an incredible coincidence that the place hit the Pentagon.
Posted by: qdpsteve at September 11, 2020 10:56 PM

I mean the flight that crashed in Pennsylvania in a rural area.

Posted by: JuJuBee, just generally being shamey at September 11, 2020 10:57 PM (mNhhD)

209 As depressing as this statement is, I fear you are correct.

Even now, after having had a giant chunk of their freedom and lives taken away by another terror attack (this time a biological one), some people still like their chains and will Karen complete strangers into submission as well. I just don't get it.

WASTF

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Joe Biden killed my career at September 11, 2020 10:57 PM (HaL55)

210 Hello Darlings,
I read that article about the Falling Man. That's the fellow in the top picture.
The author set out to discover who the individual was. His conclusion was that this was a man who worked in the restaurant in the top of the building.
This still makes me angry.
Everything I needed to know about Islam I learned on September 11, 2001.

Posted by: ALH at September 11, 2020 10:58 PM (Y0bLv)

211 I was 35 when this happened. The cut-off age for prior service. I worked like hell to reenlist. But. My weight. never mind I was killing the PT test every time I did it. I was ready to do boot camp again if I had to.

Too old. Too beefy. Oooh, gotta match the BMI.

I fucking worked like a fucking boss. Your loss, Army. I was a great fucking medic.

Fuck. I fucking hate 9-11.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Big Dumb Weirdo at September 11, 2020 10:58 PM (x8Wzq)

212 One of the things I've always wondered about is whether a fighter jet shot down Flight 93. I know the passengers bravely took on the hijackers but I also wonder if the order was given to take it out before it reached heavily populated areas.
Posted by: JuJuBee, just generally being shamey at September 11, 2020 10:54 PM (mNhhD)

That is what I said out loud in the office just before it went down.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at September 11, 2020 10:59 PM (/Dgcm)

213 Posted by: ... at September 11, 2020 10:42 PM (fo0S2)

The security officer where I was working at the time had been in NYC a week before 9/11, and they visited the towers and got to look out from the observation area.

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at September 11, 2020 10:59 PM (2C38g)

214 Night Taqiyyologist.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 11, 2020 10:59 PM (cI3Q7)

215 The order was given to stop 93 but they augured in before they reached the deadline set.

With the fighting in the cockpit and the possible purposeful nosedive it doesn't take long at cruising speed to hit the ground from only 20 thousand feet or so.

Posted by: jakee308 at September 11, 2020 10:59 PM (ny0bQ)

216 I remember not having any idea what to do with myself. Could not find an open recruiting station or a red cross.

Helpless feeling.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 11, 2020 10:55 PM (cI3Q7)

Same here. I didn't leave the office until after 2 p.m. because the subway and buses were shut down.

Finally getting a train home, I caught an 'E' train, still with the destination on the side: World Trade Center. That was eerie. When I got on, the other seated passengers were all quiet, some silently sobbing and covered in 'dust'.

Posted by: RickZ at September 11, 2020 11:00 PM (Y8PSl)

217 I can't even write what I would have done had I been president on 9-11.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at September 11, 2020 11:00 PM (9Om/r)

218 201
One of the things I've always wondered about is whether a fighter jet
shot down Flight 93. I know the passengers bravely took on the
hijackers but I also wonder if the order was given to take it out before
it reached heavily populated areas.

Posted by: JuJuBee, just generally being shamey at September 11, 2020 10:54 PM (mNhhD)

According to an accounting I saw today the authorization to shoot down a civilian aircraft came some 20 minutes after Flight 93 went down.

Posted by: Javems at September 11, 2020 11:00 PM (ofIwF)

219 *dumps a big ol' bucket of fucks into the thread for good measure*

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Big Dumb Weirdo at September 11, 2020 11:01 PM (x8Wzq)

220 7-year-old N**** the Valiant decided on a military career on September 11, 2001. His stated goal in life was to kill every last terrorist in the world. He was sorry when the Air Force sent him to Intel school, as he wanted a weapon in his hand, but I old him he would kill more as an Intell officer. Last October he deployed to Baghdad, and terrorists started 'splodin'. Al Baghdadi, Soleimani, the head of the Iraqi militia. He says it wasn't him, but he wouldn't tell me if it was. Coincidence?

Posted by: Charles the Simple at September 11, 2020 11:01 PM (HuH1F)

221 Evening, hordefolk and friends.

9-11

The thump of bodies hitting the ground

The beeping of buried first responders' locators

Sounds that are still so haunting.

Recommending - not the theatrical film, but a good Discovery Channel docudrama - Flight 93, the Flight that Fought Back, from 2005. Horror and heroism.
https://youtu.be/bElwVZuQaJI

"Let's Roll."

Posted by: mindful webworker
click: Turing Circuits'
at September 11, 2020 11:01 PM (U/u2R)

222 A great photo requires no explanation but I do feel this needs a tiny backstory. I took this in 2007 on the construction walkway at the WTC while it was still pretty much a wasteland.

When I looked up and saw what I was looking at, I couldn't believe it and just tried to capture what I could see. No photoshop trickery here. I felt really blessed to have seen this - and I think I got it.

https://tinyurl.com/y24plenf

Posted by: ... at September 11, 2020 11:01 PM (fo0S2)

223 Consider what happened that terrible day. Then consider the failed attempts that day, the half successful attack that day. The fact our country has forgotten that day is beyond sad. Then consider the needless wars against the wrong people, the feckless 20 year war in Afghanistan. Our nation the nation that so many of us served that so many gave their health for that so many died to preserve. The anger it burns it burns to my core. I have nothing left to say.

Pray.

Vote.

Posted by: USNtakim at September 11, 2020 11:01 PM (0OmEj)

224 We need to force Islam to revive itself into a peaceful religion of the
modern era and not the lurid hallucinations of a bedouin thief from the
1st millenia.

Nuking Medina and Mecca would've started that process already. You can talk to a bully all you want, but he'll still pick on you until you either bloody his nose or beat his ass. That's the only way he'll respect you.

Weakness invites attacks.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Joe Biden killed my career at September 11, 2020 11:01 PM (HaL55)

225 I was on the Southeast Expressway in MA heading to Logan airport to catch the shuttle to NYC on 9/11. I was on the phone with my east coast regional manager discussing our meeting at our facility a few blocks from the WTC.

He lived in Jersey and was headed to the PATH train to NYC. The station in NYC he was headed to was below the WTC. In the middle of our conversation he said he just heard on the radio a plane hit the WTC. We both said we thought it was one of the traffic planes the radio/tv use to give traffic reports. I told him I would call him from the airport to see if it caused a delay with my flight.

I got to Logan, parked and went into the airport in time to see the 2nd plane hit. A bunch of us were watching from outside the gate of one of the airport restaurants. They were just setting up and not open yet but they had the TVs over the bar on. Everyone was pressed up agains the screen and the glass so they opened up and let everyone in.

After a couple minutes every cop in the area from every branch and the National Guard started descending on the place, this is where two of the planes took off from, and told us we had 5 minutes to get out of the airport or we would be detained and our cars impounded.

Fortunately, the PATH trains got shutdown. Spent the next couple days trying to track down a couple employees who lived or were working in Manhattan. Lost a relative who was working in tower 2.

I will never forget a minute of it.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 11, 2020 11:01 PM (ZLI7S)

226 Every year at this time I pull out a box. It's an old box that once held an order from amazon.com. Now it has my handwriting, in marker: 11 September 2001. Inside, it has primary source material. (I hate the U.S. media too, but bear with me) It has copies of Time, Newsweek, the San Antonio Express-News, the university paper, and some other items like this. I also threw in a copy of The Economist from that week, and a book I bought at Barnes & Noble a short time later, a book of photographs with a bit of commentary.

It also has another amazon.com receipt. Back on 1 August, I pre-ordered the Dream Theater CD "Live-Scenes From New York". Now, if you are a Dream Theater fan, you know that on Images and Words, there is a flaming heart with barbed wire wrapped around the heart. It symbolizes strength and passion. Now, on the album cover, instead of a heart, they placed an apple. On top of the apple is a silhouette of the NYC skyline, featuring, naturally, the WTC towers.

Release date: 11 September 2001.

What I think happened was that on the side of 11 September that was a normal, run of the mill day, a few thousand copies of that cover went out. As the day unfolded, shipments stopped. But a few thousand copies still went out, and on Friday, September 14, I got my copy with that album cover in the mail courtesy of amazon.com.

The next day the band announced that the original album cover was pulled and that it would be replaced.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at September 11, 2020 11:02 PM (SSJSf)

227 Nope didnt have our act that together, but I remember.
Posted by: PUE 206 at September 11, 2020 10:57 PM

It was the last hijacked plane in the air. For some reason the hijackers waited until the plane was nearly to its destination before they commandeered it and forced it to turn around towards DC. (Fortunately for the White House or Capitol.) I think the fighter jets had time to scramble for that one. It went down at 10:03 am.

Posted by: JuJuBee, just generally being shamey at September 11, 2020 11:02 PM (mNhhD)

228
LeftCoast Dawg, whiskey is on me. Look forward to it. My son is at least not lost. he realizes BLM is a military deception. Or...civil deception...would be more apt. Okay psyops.
Posted by: Jack Burton, who said, I'm a reasonable guy but i've just seen some unreasonable things at September 11, 2020 10:44 PM (1+Jvs)

Sounds like your son has a very aware and smart teacher.

And did someone say "whiskey is on me?"

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg, looking like a black lab at a duck blind on opening day at September 11, 2020 11:03 PM (sy5kK)

229 The security officer where I was working at the time
had been in NYC a week before 9/11, and they visited the towers and got
to look out from the observation area.

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at September 11, 2020 10:59 PM (2C38g)

I'm still pissed to this day we didn't get up there together. But in a way I think it would have been extra freaky - if that were even possible.

Posted by: ... at September 11, 2020 11:03 PM (fo0S2)

230 I was 35 when this happened. The cut-off age for prior service. I worked like hell to reenlist. But. My weight. never mind I was killing the PT test every time I did it. I was ready to do boot camp again if I had to.

Too old. Too beefy. Oooh, gotta match the BMI.

I fucking worked like a fucking boss. Your loss, Army. I was a great fucking medic.

Fuck. I fucking hate 9-11.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Big Dumb Weirdo at September 11, 2020 10:58 PM (x8Wzq)

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I was 32 when I had to go through basic training again in July 2001.

Posted by: SMH at September 11, 2020 11:03 PM (RU4sa)

231 thank you all for your words of encouragement. we are going to forget the politics and go watch Close Encounters of the Third Kind.

I wish you all a great night.

Posted by: Jack Burton, who said, I'm a reasonable guy but i've just seen some unreasonable things at September 11, 2020 11:04 PM (1+Jvs)

232 >> It never ceases to amaze me that most other countries don't emulate us by embracing freedom for their own people.

It's called American Exceptionalism, which is the tails of Western Exceptionalism, which is the tails of the world distribution.

This is the basic fallacy of Nation Building adventures, such as Iraq and Afghanistan, etc. We are different, and no, not all other humans want to be like us. They don't think the same way.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at September 11, 2020 11:04 PM (rCwaK)

233 He says it wasn't him, but he wouldn't tell me if it was. Coincidence?

Posted by: Charles the Simple at September 11, 2020 11:01 PM (HuH1F)

In either case, good on him, but I hope it was he that had a hand in this!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at September 11, 2020 11:04 PM (2C38g)

234 nite horde
Never Forget

Posted by: wing at September 11, 2020 11:04 PM (JFzNN)

235
Sorry, but I have to take a break.

This chit is getting to me.

Hopefully, I'll be back later.

Carry on, horde.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at September 11, 2020 11:05 PM (sy5kK)

236 The security officer where I was working at the time had been in NYC a week before 9/11, and they visited the towers and got to look out from the observation area.

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at September 11, 2020 10:59 PM (2C38g)

One time when my Mom and Dad visited, we went to the World Trade Center and went to the observation deck. That day the winds were low enough that my Mom and I were lucky enough to go on the catwalk on the roof. Spectacular views and funny seeing the traffic helicopters way below where we stood.

Posted by: RickZ at September 11, 2020 11:06 PM (Y8PSl)

237 I was 32 when I had to go through basic training again in July 2001.
Posted by: SMH at September 11, 2020 11:03 PM (RU4sa)

Hooah.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Big Dumb Weirdo at September 11, 2020 11:06 PM (x8Wzq)

238 Nuking Medina and Mecca would've started that
process already. You can talk to a bully all you want, but he'll still
pick on you until you either bloody his nose or beat his ass. That's the
only way he'll respect you.

Weakness invites attacks.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Joe Biden killed my career at September 11, 2020 11:01 PM (HaL55)

That would have been top of my list.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at September 11, 2020 11:07 PM (9Om/r)

239 194
I've always wondered; did they KNOW that the buildings would collapse or was that an unforeseen occurrence that surprised them too?
Posted by: jakee308

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I recall hearing that they didn't really know, and OBL's eyes lit up when he saw what happened.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at September 11, 2020 10:50 PM (G51Gf)

I do not believe OBL and Khalid Sheikh Muhammad had any engineering analysis predicting the total collapses. I believe the prime objective was simply causing as much visible damage as possible to what they considered iconic symbols of the US: World Trade Center, Pentagon, Capitol. Showing the world that America is not invulnerable; that its "holiest" monetary, military, and political shrines could be attacked and damaged by people America despised and called weaklings.

Deaths and injuries were expected, of course, especially in the Towers - OBL and KSM probably expected most everyone above the impact floors would die, from fire and smoke.

Posted by: Gref at September 11, 2020 11:07 PM (AMIL/)

240 Yep. Americans elected to the Presidency a man who
for 20 years was mentored by a man who said that 9/11 terrorist attacks
were a result of "AmeriKKKa's chickens coming home to roost".

Despicable. American culture and society had been rotting for years
and the election of such a radical America-hater like Obama less than
10 years after 9/11 terrorist attacks showed just how rotten it had
become... despicable.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at September 11, 2020 10:41 PM (Do5/p)

It was absolutely disgusting. It still makes me sick to have had that America hating commie shit as president.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 11, 2020 11:07 PM (WCnhX)

241 This is the basic fallacy of Nation Building adventures, such as Iraq and Afghanistan, etc. We are different, and no, not all other humans want to be like us. They don't think the same way.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at September 11, 2020 11:04 PM (rCwaK)

Treu, The progressives and GOP scum are fixing this by replacing the population!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at September 11, 2020 11:09 PM (2C38g)

242 That day wifey then girlfriend said if she was president she would shut down every single mosque on 9/12 and level Tehran for good measure because no one in the world would dare say boo.

Talk about a keeper.

Posted by: ... at September 11, 2020 11:09 PM (fo0S2)

243 True

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at September 11, 2020 11:09 PM (2C38g)

244 Back in 93 there were reports that the goal of the attack was to make one building topple into the other. I remember thinking at the time it was a kooky thing to try, but also scary.

Posted by: ... at September 11, 2020 11:11 PM (fo0S2)

245 Everything I needed to know about Islam I learned on September 11, 2001.

Everything I needed to know about islam I learned when the Shah died. Worked with a gaggle of about 8 Iranian students from UAH who had nothing but contempt for America despite being guests here and getting their education from us. Every one of them was a worthless piece of shit whom I wouldn't have pissed on if it was on fire. They'd do stuff like clock their friends in when they weren't at work yet. I caught one of them doing it and told him if I saw him do that again, I'd fire him. And that was just one of the stunts they pulled. They managed to anger everyone who worked with them and the day they all left, we had a big party that night after the restaurant closed.

islam is not a religion of peace by any stretch of the imagination. I knew we were pretty much screwed when W pushed that out of his pathetic piehole.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Joe Biden killed my career at September 11, 2020 11:11 PM (HaL55)

246 I think 2020 is teaching us that many Americans don't want to be free.
Posted by: ... at September 11, 2020 10:45 PM

Probably no different from any other time in human history, honestly. Our system makes it possible for those who do want freedom to partake of it fully. The left wants to make slaves of us all, including and especially anyone with gumption and ambition.

Posted by: JuJuBee, just generally being shamey at September 11, 2020 11:12 PM (mNhhD)

247 209 201 One of the things I've always wondered about is whether a fighter jet shot down Flight 93. I know the passengers bravely took on the hijackers but I also wonder if the order was given to take it out before it reached heavily populated areas.
Posted by: JuJuBee, just generally being shamey at September 11, 2020 10:54 PM (mNhhD)

Nope didnt have our act that together, but I remember.

Posted by: PUE 206 at September 11, 2020 10:57 PM (D/SYi)

IIRC, the pair of F-16s that would have been to intercept in time to prevent a dive on Central DC were un-armed, and were or would have been ordered to ram the plane.

Posted by: Gref at September 11, 2020 11:12 PM (AMIL/)

248 Treu, The progressives and GOP scum are fixing this by replacing the population!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at September 11, 2020 11:09 PM (2C38g)
That's why 65 million abortions of natural born citizens is an American genocide.

Posted by: ... at September 11, 2020 11:13 PM (fo0S2)

249 U2 tribute to 9/11

https://tinyurl.com/y6bblyf7

Posted by: Quint at September 11, 2020 11:13 PM (JCBMS)

250 242 I was 32 when I had to go through basic training again in July 2001.
Posted by: SMH at September 11, 2020 11:03 PM (RU4sa)

Hooah.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Big Dumb Weirdo at September 11, 2020 11:06 PM (x8Wzq)

Still in good enough shape to do it though, Oorah. From an old Marine dough boy.

Posted by: PUE 206 at September 11, 2020 11:13 PM (D/SYi)

251 Annual rehash: I was living on the left coast. GF at the time went to work two hours before me everyday (My shift started at 0930) but that morning she woke me up to tell something, she wasn't sure what, was going on according to news coverage. I rolled over and went back to sleep. Phone rang an hour later, it was my National Guard unit's 1SG calling to tell me to "Pack your shit!". When I asked what was going on he replied, "turn on your fucking tv!" and hung up on me. GF's brother was a rookie cop with LAPD at the time in Rampart Division. He told us later they didn't have a single call all day long.

Posted by: Bert G at September 11, 2020 11:14 PM (OMsf+)

252
One of the things I've always wondered about is whether a fighter jet
shot down Flight 93. I know the passengers bravely took on the
hijackers but I also wonder if the order was given to take it out before
it reached heavily populated areas.

Posted by: JuJuBee, just generally being shamey at September 11, 2020 10:54 PM (mNhhD)

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Dick Cheney said in an interview he had given the order because time was of the essence and Bush was out of contact. FWIW, he indicated the shot wasn't taken-it was the passengers that forced the issue.

Posted by: Methos at September 11, 2020 11:14 PM (kOpft)

253 That's why 65 million abortions of natural born citizens is an American genocide.
Posted by: ... at September 11, 2020 11:13 PM (fo0S2)

*types*
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Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at September 11, 2020 11:15 PM (2C38g)

254 I remember reading in August 2001 that the Army was working with the City of San Antonio making arrangements to make Fort Sam Houston a closed post. See, at that time, it was WIDE open. I routinely crossed it - as a civilian, as a dependent, as a card-carrying ROTC cadet - and never passed through a gate. It was no problem and made commuting through that part of town quite easy.

September 11 happened and out came the jersey barriers, almost immediately. What was originally planned happened almost instantaneously. Of course, it has been a closed post ever since.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at September 11, 2020 11:16 PM (SSJSf)

255 When I looked up and saw what I was looking at, I couldn't believe it and just tried to capture what I could see. No photoshop trickery here. I felt really blessed to have seen this - and I think I got it.

https://tinyurl.com/y24plenf
Posted by: ... at September 11, 2020 11:01 PM (fo0S2)
* * * *

That is an amazing photograph! Well captured indeed. Thanks for sharing.

Posted by: Legally Sufficient at September 11, 2020 11:16 PM (WFcrO)

256
262 That's why 65 million abortions of natural born citizens is an American genocide.
Posted by: ... at September 11, 2020 11:13 PM (fo0S2)

*types*
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Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at September 11, 2020 11:15 PM (2C38g)

No words...

Posted by: PUE 206 at September 11, 2020 11:17 PM (D/SYi)

257 *types*
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Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at September 11, 2020 11:15 PM (2C38g)

Oh but trust me they really care about 200,000 dead 85 year olds.

Posted by: ... at September 11, 2020 11:17 PM (fo0S2)

258 That is an amazing photograph! Well captured indeed. Thanks for sharing.

Posted by: Legally Sufficient at September 11, 2020 11:16 PM (WFcrO)

Thank you. It's a personal favorite.

Posted by: ... at September 11, 2020 11:18 PM (fo0S2)

259 IIRC, the pair of F-16s that would have been to intercept in time to prevent a dive on Central DC were un-armed, and were or would have been ordered to ram the plane.
Posted by: Gref at September 11, 2020 11:12 PM (AMIL/)

A clever pilot of an F-16 could perhaps have rammed the wing of the airliner with the wing of his own aircraft, and then punched out of the wreck.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 11, 2020 11:18 PM (yuA3x)

260 I felt really blessed to have seen this - and I think I got it.

https://tinyurl.com/y24plenf
Posted by: ... at September 11, 2020 11:01 PM (fo0S2)

Wow!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at September 11, 2020 11:19 PM (2C38g)

261 A clever pilot of an F-16 could perhaps have rammed
the wing of the airliner with the wing of his own aircraft, and then
punched out of the wreck.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

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You'd do better going at the rudder.

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at September 11, 2020 11:20 PM (Mm4NK)

262 I remember a theory that the original contruction had had the support beams sheathed in asbestos to provide protection in case of catastrophic fire. The asbestos was removed, of course. Now in this case (LOTs of burning jet fuel) not sure whether it would have meant the towers stayed up, but probably would have bought more time for people to escape or rescuers to get to the roof?
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 11, 2020 10:52 PM (cI3Q7)

Old school construction would have the steel encased in brick for fireproofing. Asbestos fireproofing looks like paper mache and about as strong. Gyp board was likely used as fire proofing. Definitely stronger than paper mache, but not nearly as strong as brick.

Not that I looked at any conclusive reports, but the likely failure mode was sustained fire weakening bar joists supporting the floor above. When that floor collapses the floor below would be carrying the load of two floors. Have that happen 3-4 times and the supporting floor would be overloaded stating a progressive pancaking from the top down. The perimeter columns would likely hold until lateral support from ~10 floors is lost and they would be pulled inward.

Jihadis supposedly thought the planes impact would knock over the buildings like a stack of children's building blocks. If they were surprised by the collapse it was because they did not know what western nation's fire departments have known for a hundred years - prolonged fire will cause the steel to weaken and collapse.

And this is why the firefighters knew when they were going in it was almost certainly a one way trip.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at September 11, 2020 11:20 PM (/Dgcm)

263 A somber day. All the emotions felt that day are no less intense with the passage of the years.

As it should be. Never forget and never forgive.

Ever.

Posted by: irongrampa at September 11, 2020 11:20 PM (KATBx)

264 Oh but trust me they really care about 200,000 dead 85 year olds.

Posted by: ... at September 11, 2020 11:17 PM (fo0S2)

"Almost a big enough number to be a mere statistic!"
J Stalin

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at September 11, 2020 11:21 PM (2C38g)

265 "I do think there should have been death squads sent
out, to identify and kill all close relatives of the 19 (?) hijackers
that carried out the attack."

Yes, that is a just and necessary part of what the correct response should have been. But that still would not have been enough payback.

Posted by: gp The Heretic at September 11, 2020 11:21 PM (qpX6U)

266 That photo caused a friend of mine, a young man at the time, to become a Navy SEAL. He has been killing terrorists ever since..
Still is, in shithole places.. He never forgot...

Posted by: DBCooper at September 11, 2020 11:21 PM (y1Mvi)

267 277 That photo caused a friend of mine, a young man at the time, to become a Navy SEAL. He has been killing terrorists ever since..
Still is, in shithole places.. He never forgot...
Posted by: DBCooper at September 11, 2020 11:21 PM (y1Mvi)

Well I like that kid and dont even know him.

Posted by: PUE 206 at September 11, 2020 11:22 PM (D/SYi)

268 251 Back in 93 there were reports that the goal of the attack was to make one building topple into the other. I remember thinking at the time it was a kooky thing to try, but also scary.

Posted by: ... at September 11, 2020 11:11 PM (fo0S2)

In '93 the objective was to damage enough columns, as low as possible, to bring about collapse of at least that one tower.

Posted by: Gref at September 11, 2020 11:23 PM (AMIL/)

269 Never forget.

Love the horde.

Later.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at September 11, 2020 11:23 PM (IYHxL)

270 Some photos become immediate icons for the ages. You all can think of some. This is one as well.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 11, 2020 11:24 PM (axyOa)

271 Yes, that is a just and necessary part of what the correct response should have been. But that still would not have been enough payback.
Posted by: gp The Heretic at September 11, 2020 11:21 PM (qpX6U)

Agreed. But it should have been done. No fanfare, no spiking the football. Just ragheads going missing, mysteriously.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 11, 2020 11:24 PM (yuA3x)

272 That photo caused a friend of mine, a young man at the time, to become a Navy SEAL. He has been killing terrorists ever since..
Still is, in shithole places.. He never forgot...

Posted by: DBCooper at September 11, 2020 11:21 PM (y1Mvi)

A tribute to America that we still have men (many men) like that among us!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at September 11, 2020 11:24 PM (2C38g)

273 George W Bush was a President for one moment. 9/11 was that moment.
Posted by: Puddleglum at September 11, 2020 10:25 PM

Lasted from when he stood on the rubble with the flag and the firefighters and the bullhorn, until he smooched the Imams and painted their brotherhood as peaceful.

Posted by: mindful webworker
They will not win
at September 11, 2020 11:25 PM (U/u2R)

274 120---Posted by: Jack Burton, who said, I'm a reasonable guy but i've just seen some unreasonable things at September 11, 2020 10:32 PM (1+Jvs)
------------------------------
Ah, Jack, do not despair.
Your daughters are still very young.
Keep letting them know there is another legitimate point of view. One or the other may well come around.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at September 11, 2020 11:25 PM (M/9m0)

275 Rick Rescorla was taken directly up into Heaven, imo, on his final rescue attempt..

Posted by: vmom 2020 - 13 Hours Book Review at September 11, 2020 11:26 PM (nUhF0)

276 278-PUE
You'd love him if you met him. A true Patriot.

Posted by: DBCooper at September 11, 2020 11:26 PM (y1Mvi)

277 Prayers up for the murdered!
Prayers up for the rescuers!
Prayers up for all our service men and women!

Have a good night, people of the horde!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at September 11, 2020 11:28 PM (2C38g)

278 Never forget, never ever forget.. and I read an article about that photo last year, wish I could locate it again despite the dustiness it caused.

Posted by: NALNAMSAM - not as lean, not as mean, still a Marine at September 11, 2020 11:28 PM (+ldAm)

279 IIRC, the pair of F-16s that would have been to intercept in time to prevent a dive on Central DC were un-armed, and were or would have been ordered to ram the plane.
Posted by: Gref at September 11, 2020 11:12 PM (AMIL/)

A clever pilot of an F-16 could perhaps have rammed the wing of the airliner with the wing of his own aircraft, and then punched out of the wreck.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 11, 2020 11:18 PM (yuA3x)

The squadron commander and lead of the two F 16's had planned to go for the cockpit. He told his wingman she would go for the tail. Her callsign, if I remember the interview correctly was Lucky. As in a Lucky Penny. She is a redhead. Retired now she is with Lockheed. IIRC.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 11, 2020 11:28 PM (axyOa)

280 285 120---Posted by: Jack Burton, who said, I'm a reasonable guy but i've just seen some unreasonable things at September 11, 2020 10:32 PM (1+Jvs)
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Ah, Jack, do not despair.
Your daughters are still very young.
Keep letting them know there is another legitimate point of view. One or the other may well come around.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at September 11, 2020 11:25 PM (M/9m0)

I feel this man's pain. My ex-wife went full Hillarhoid and she's been infecting the kids with her bullshit. I counter as best I can but one has to tread very carefully too. Try not to give up hope, man. Do whatever you can, when you can.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 11, 2020 11:29 PM (NWiLs)

281 286 Rick Rescorla was taken directly up into Heaven, imo, on his final rescue attempt..
Posted by: vmom 2020 - 13 Hours Book Review at September 11, 2020 11:26 PM

Thank you vmom, that is a most excellent image to dwell on!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at September 11, 2020 11:30 PM (2C38g)

282 279 251 Back in 93 there were reports that the goal of
the attack was to make one building topple into the other. I remember
thinking at the time it was a kooky thing to try, but also scary.

Posted by: ... at September 11, 2020 11:11 PM (fo0S2)

In '93 the objective was to damage enough columns, as low as possible, to bring about collapse of at least that one tower.

Posted by: Gref at September 11, 2020 11:23 PM (AMIL/)
A book I highly recommend if you have not read it is "The Looming Tower" by Lawrence Wright. It is a gripping tale of what lead up to 9/11.

Posted by: Quint at September 11, 2020 11:30 PM (JCBMS)

283 I used to tell people who despaired watching the collapses and who would tell me how evil humans are, to try to remember how many men in those buildings were on their way *up*.

Posted by: ... at September 11, 2020 11:30 PM (fo0S2)

284
260 Ram the "jets".
I heard that too.

What would "America" have done?
Posted by: mean old man at September 11, 2020 11:14 PM (vK+ND)

Not the same thing. But. There is a b/w movie about the battle of britain from a german ace's pov. He complained about being the only one capable of training new pilots on the then very deadly to new pilots me-109, and that he wanted to know who would train the new pilots after he rammed the b-17s.

He did in fact ram one, survived the crash, and went back to train others how to do it and survive to di it again.

He knew he would die, but was still willing to do it for his country.

I want to believe our own testerone laden stick and rudder pilots would have done the same, becauswd they loved their country more than life itself.

Posted by: BifBewalski 🂡 Moron at September 11, 2020 11:30 PM (VcFUs)

285 where's mishm?

Posted by: not so at September 11, 2020 11:31 PM (vwLr1)

286 Still in good enough shape to do it though, Oorah. From an old Marine dough boy.
Posted by: PUE 206 at September 11, 2020 11:13 PM (D/SYi)

Gimme a few months and I could do it again, despite being 29 or do. But, the weight thing. For whatever reason, the BMI is important.

My old doctor, a former Army sawbones, told me point blank, if you got back to your Army weight, you'd be starving. Some folks simply have bigger frames.

Sumbitch retired. Not that I blame him.

My current doc might be a vegan. He loves him some BMI.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Big Dumb Weirdo at September 11, 2020 11:31 PM (x8Wzq)

287 Sobering.

God bless all those men and women.

Thanks for this Weird Dave.
Posted by: Muldoon

Seconded

Posted by: JT at September 11, 2020 11:31 PM (arJlL)

288 The war that was begun on that date still continues . . .

Posted by: Dr_No at September 11, 2020 11:33 PM (mu5GU)

289 where's mishm?
Posted by: not so at September 11, 2020 11:31 PM (vwLr1)

On vacay, out bear hunting. Fireplace needs a rug. Due back on sunday, IIRC.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 11, 2020 11:33 PM (yuA3x)

290 9/11 taught me that when someone says they hate you and they want to kill you, take them at their word

Posted by: weew at September 11, 2020 11:34 PM (+m+uH)

291 All Lies are eventually exposed

Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at September 11, 2020 11:34 PM (oAY8z)

292 where's mishm?
Posted by: not so at September 11, 2020 11:31 PM (vwLr1)

On vacay, out bear hunting. Fireplace needs a rug. Due back on sunday, IIRC.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September

Thanks

You know, him being a hardwood guy, do you think he shaves the bearskin rug?

Not so sexy, but it is the principl ot the thing.

Posted by: not so at September 11, 2020 11:34 PM (vwLr1)

293 293 ---.... I counter as best I can but one has to tread very carefully too.....
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Wise.
Counter .... carefully.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at September 11, 2020 11:35 PM (M/9m0)

294 "The Looming Tower" by Lawrence Wright. It is a gripping tale of what lead up to 9/11.

A great account of the incalculable ineptitude of our highly paid and constantly astonished so called intelligence services.

We pay good money for the very worst intelligence services imaginable.

However bad you imagined them, they are worse than even that.

Posted by: navybrat the irritable at September 11, 2020 11:35 PM (w7KSn)

295 Thread's getting old, but I'll give it a shot. An admin came into my office that morning and said "a plane hit one of the world trade center towers, it's on TV in the CFO's conference room". I thought, "eh, I'll take a look," and headed in to the conference room. There were about a dozen of us watching. After I'd been there just a minute or two, the second plane hit. As soon as I saw it, I said out loud "That was an act of war. We're at war." I had to walk out of the room.

God bless the patriots of Flight 93. God Bless Rick Rescorla, the NYFD, and all the other unsung heroes, Americans all, who did their duty in the face of evil that day.

Posted by: Mostly Peaceful Grognard at September 11, 2020 11:35 PM (b3x5S)

296 where's mishm?
Posted by: not so at September 11, 2020 11:31 PM (vwLr1)

On vacay, out bear hunting. Fireplace needs a rug. Due back on sunday, IIRC.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 11, 2020 11:33 PM (yuA3x)

He does understand I hope, that the bear is hunting too.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 11, 2020 11:36 PM (axyOa)

297 I post this every year on my FB page:

I had just stepped out of the shower when the first report of a plane flying into the World Trade Center Tower 1 came across my radio. I went to the living room, turned on the TV and watched for a few minutes before returning to the bathroom to grab my toothbrush and finish getting ready for work. I returned to the TV, toothbrush in mouth and towel in hand just in time to see the second plane hit WTC Tower 2. I knew at that moment this was deliberate and that it wasn't over yet. I called into work, told them to turn on the TV to see why I'd be a little late coming in, and slowly finished getting ready. As I drove in, listening to the horror unfolding in NY, I watched a plane on approach to Love Field, after the ground stop had been ordered. I wondered if this plane, too, was about to become another deadly missile.

I arrived at my job, and joined the rest of my stunned colleagues in one of the conference rooms. When the station we were watching suddenly switched to a view from Washington, before the announcers could find out what they were showing I said, "That's the Pentagon." For the next 30 minutes, we all watched silently until the WTC Tower 2 collapsed. That's when the spell finally lifted for everyone and the true evil of what we were witnessing bore it's dark fruit.

I composed this on the first anniversary of 9-11, with the intention of creating a video to accompany it. I have never really gone past the initial stages for the video, as I still react so viscerally to the images--my somber mood returns to white-hot rage at what this 7th century cult of death wrought that day. So this song remains as tribute to all who lost their lives on that horrific day, and especially for those who ran towards the catastrophe and showed how selfless sacrifice will always ring eternally over death's empty sting.

https://soundcloud.com/dementia-ranger/requiem-9-11

Coda: And in less than half a generation, the unity and clear focus that this day brought to our nation has completely dissipated--and the barbarians are inside the gate.

Posted by: goozer at September 11, 2020 11:36 PM (PwwcI)

298 Posted by: ... at September 11, 2020 11:01 PM (fo0S2)
* * * *

Awesome.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 11, 2020 11:37 PM (pZ6Du)

299 He does understand I hope, that the bear is hunting too.
Posted by: Diogenes at September

more interesting that way, similar to having sex with a feminist wearing her dildo, you have to pay attentin or things could go amiss.

Posted by: not so at September 11, 2020 11:37 PM (vwLr1)

300 I was 32 when I had to go through basic training again in July 2001.

Posted by: SMH at September 11, 2020 11:03 PM (RU4sa)

mad respect there. I joined early at 17.

Posted by: Quint at September 11, 2020 11:39 PM (JCBMS)

301 I said this on another thread, but Ill repeat it for those that werent present. I was on the USS Kearsarge in the Mediterranean On the evening of 9/11 (in Europe), I was sleeping in my rack and my best friend woke me up and told me a plane had hit the World Trade Center. I hung out of the rack and said; Its terrorism, and tried to go back to sleep. My friend shouted; a plane has hit the second tower. I wasnt prescient, I was just out of it enough to think clearly. They locked down all communication on ship. God the conspiracy theories floating around that place without a contact with the outside world. Three months later I was in Afghanistan.

Posted by: PUE 206 at September 11, 2020 11:39 PM (D/SYi)

302 I saw a news report from that day and a construction worker was saying, he had to get away from it (before the towers fell) because people were falling from the towers, and this went on for a long time.

Posted by: Pj at September 11, 2020 11:39 PM (qlTN9)

303 273 I remember a theory that the original contruction had had the support beams sheathed in asbestos to provide protection in case of catastrophic fire. The asbestos was removed, of course. Now in this case (LOTs of burning jet fuel) not sure whether it would have meant the towers stayed up, but probably would have bought more time for people to escape or rescuers to get to the roof?
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 11, 2020 10:52 PM (cI3Q7)

Old school construction would have the steel encased in brick for fireproofing. Asbestos fireproofing looks like paper mache and about as strong. Gyp board was likely used as fire proofing. Definitely stronger than paper mache, but not nearly as strong as brick.

Not that I looked at any conclusive reports, but the likely failure mode was sustained fire weakening bar joists supporting the floor above. When that floor collapses the floor below would be carrying the load of two floors. Have that happen 3-4 times and the supporting floor would be overloaded stating a progressive pancaking from the top down. The perimeter columns would likely hold until lateral support from ~10 floors is lost and they would be pulled inward.

Jihadis supposedly thought the planes impact would knock over the buildings like a stack of children's building blocks. If they were surprised by the collapse it was because they did not know what western nation's fire departments have known for a hundred years - prolonged fire will cause the steel to weaken and collapse.

And this is why the firefighters knew when they were going in it was almost certainly a one way trip.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at September 11, 2020 11:20 PM (/Dgcm)

Extensive engineering analyses into the cause of the structural failures of the Towers and WTC Building 7 were performed 10-15 years ago. The reports are on-line. Web search on NIST 9/11 reports. Or NIST WTC reports.

IIRC, the asbestos insulation was being removed and replaced at the time. Small areas at a time. The NIST engineers concluded that one of the key reasons for the eventual structural failure of the Towers was the impact of the aircraft structures physically removing lots of the fireproofing insulation from the steel. Allowing the very hot and persistent jet fuel fires to eventually heat the steel in the impact zones enough to reduce its structural properties.

Posted by: Gref at September 11, 2020 11:39 PM (AMIL/)

304 Did anyone ever see that special on MSNBC (yes) that focused on three or four amateur video records of that day? It was a magnificent special - they showed it for a couple years afterward - I have it on VHS - but they don't show it anymore and you can't find it online. I honestly think it was memory holed.

I believe one film was taken from a boat - someone who was doing like a student film - and another from like a rooftop of an apartment - but the bravura shot came from a young semi-obnoxious "journalist" lady who was trying to get closer and closer to the Towers while they were burning. She's several blocks away.

As she's getting closer, you watch her get told to get the hell away by cops/emergency personnel. Then she's still filming... and the first building starts collapsing - and while she's filming from these blocks away - she gets suddenly yanked into a diner type place by a black lady who closes the door behind them.

The journalist keeps complaining that her bag is outside with all her equipment and all her stuff - but the black lady keeps her inside and says she can't go out there. You then watch as it gets darker and darker and darker outside through the glass door - she's still filming - until it's almost black - as all the rubble starts blowing past in completely surreal fashion.
And then the journalist lady starts thanking the woman profusely for saving her life, and can't stop thanking her.

When she finally goes outside it looks like fucking Beirut. Completely unrecognizable.

It's truly horrifying and awe inspiring. It was just people being people in a crazy impossible situation. And although I mention race, there was no race. It was just people. And it was oddly heartwarming.

Posted by: ... at September 11, 2020 11:40 PM (fo0S2)

305 45 I remember sitting on the observation deck at the WTC in the summer of '87, and taking in the absolutely stunning view of Manhattan. It was one of the most amazing things I have ever seen. Two words, "Airship altitude" came into my head, and they have stuck with me until this day. Never forget. Never forgive.I still think we shoulda' nuked the bastards.

JWM
Posted by: jwm at September 11, 2020 10:15 PM (HnUoF)

The spire of the Empire State Building was supposed to be an airship docking mast. It was actually used one time.

Posted by: Fox2! at September 11, 2020 11:40 PM (qyH+l)

306 He knew he would die, but was still willing to do it for his country.

I want to believe our own testerone laden stick and rudder pilots
would have done the same, becauswd they loved their country more than
life itself.

"There is no greater love than this - that a man should lay down his life for his friends."

John 15:13

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Joe Biden killed my career at September 11, 2020 11:41 PM (HaL55)

307 Desert Spouse woke me up after she came home from PT at Ft Huachuca (she still had two years to go before retiring from Active at 23 years and as an SFC). She had the news on (as we did every morning) and told me I had to come see this and asked my opinion.

The North Tower had a massive airplane shaped hole in it. My first words were "That was not a Cessna." Shortly after the second plane came in and we watched it hit.

We headed for post, and ran into the traffic jam to East Gate almost three miles from the intersection of SR-90 and Buffalo Soldier. By the time I dropped her off at the BN HQ and headed for the BRAC mini-mall the rumors had already started. Watched the towers collapse on the TVs at the shopette.

A several weeks later the local paper ran the semi-annual list of auctions of storage units that were 90 days late in Bisbee/Douglas/Sierra Vista. Two of the names matched hijackers on 9/11. I contacted the local FBI office. They were monumentally disinterested in that info. I tracked the auction and found those units were sold off without FBI search. The storage units were in Douglas where it turned out two hijackers took flight training.

I haven't trusted the FBI since.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Gringo fuertemente armado-Si Vis Pacam, Para Bellum) at September 11, 2020 11:41 PM (l7Kbv)

308 Fuck the muslims and their apologists and the goats they rode in on.
Never ever forget!

The world would be a better place without Muslims and communists.

We would be to Mars by now.

Posted by: The Man from Athens at September 11, 2020 11:41 PM (QMwOT)

309 That photo caused a friend of mine, a young man at the time, to become a Navy SEAL. He has been killing terrorists ever since..

Still is, in shithole places.. He never forgot...

Posted by: DBCooper at September 11, 2020 11:21 PM (y1Mvi)

A tribute to America that we still have men (many men) like that among us!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at September 11, 2020 11:24 PM (2C38g)

yeah, they go into places most know nothing about.

Posted by: Quint at September 11, 2020 11:41 PM (JCBMS)

310 We got a surprise visit on Monday from a Nevada cousin and her husband. They had driven to Minnesota to visit some friends and swung over here to say hello. My cousin has been here many times, but this is the first time I had met her husband. I liked him immensely - a San Diego native, ex-USMC (served in Somalia in the 1990's) and retired California firefighter.

One of my libtard brothers made a crack when he found out the guy had served in the Marines: "oh, so you're a loser according to Trump." The Marine just looked at him and my cousin said, with a bit of an edge in her voice, "He allegedly said that. Allegedly." Then the subject was changed, but I know my brother well enough to know how disappointed he was. He was expecting the vet and the vet's wife to immediately start bashing Trump so then the 3 of them could then gang up on me - the family heretic. And here the vet didn't take the bait.

In fact, the two of them told me later that they are both Trump supporters, but just didn't want to get into a political discussion. My cousin's husband said, "We're sitting outside enjoying a beer on a nice evening and your brother wants to talk politics. Shit, I wanted to talk about fishing."

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&&&V at September 11, 2020 11:42 PM (HabA/)

311 On 911 it was raining people,
You had to get away from the building in order to not be killed by a falling person.
Many were killed in such a manner.

Posted by: navybrat the irritable at September 11, 2020 11:42 PM (w7KSn)

312 The NIST engineers concluded that one of the key reasons for the eventual structural failure of the Towers was the impact of the aircraft structures physically removing lots of the fireproofing insulation from the steel. Allowing the very hot and persistent jet fuel fires to eventually heat the steel in the impact zones enough to reduce its structural properties.
Posted by: Gref at September 11, 2020 11:39 PM (AMIL/)

That is pretty much what I just said, and added the mechanics of progressive collapse.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at September 11, 2020 11:43 PM (/Dgcm)

313 A book I highly recommend if you have not read it is "The Looming Tower" by Lawrence Wright. It is a gripping tale of what lead up to 9/11.

Posted by: Quint at September 11, 2020 11:30 PM (JCBMS)

I've read it. Excellent. And maddening. A must-read for everyone in the country if you ask me. It traces the entire history of al Queda and of the 9/11 attack prep and attacks.

Posted by: Gref at September 11, 2020 11:44 PM (AMIL/)

314 It occurs to me that next year, the 20th anniversary, will be on a Saturday, and I wonder how much attention it will get.

Posted by: Methos at September 11, 2020 11:45 PM (kOpft)

315
Good night, Hordians.

This has been a somber ONT. Tomorrow, let's do something to make America again a city shining on a hill.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 11, 2020 11:45 PM (mht8P)

316 It occurs to me that next year, the 20th anniversary, will be on a Saturday, and I wonder how much attention it will get.
Posted by: Methos at September

not so much as it did this time.

Posted by: not so at September 11, 2020 11:45 PM (vwLr1)

317 Posted by: Jack Burton, who said, I'm a reasonable guy but i've just seen some unreasonable things at September 11, 2020 10:32 PM (1+Jvs)

Your daughters may grow out of it. I was a dumb lib too at that age. I didn't become conservative until I was 30.

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&&&V at September 11, 2020 11:46 PM (HabA/)

318 Awesome. Just got a photo of the baby sleeping blissfully under dad's old Beavis & Butt-Head blanket. From back when TV was wholesome, before Cuties.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 11, 2020 11:46 PM (x73LH)

319 Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 11, 2020 11:46 PM (x73LH)

Is everything good with her now?

Posted by: ... at September 11, 2020 11:47 PM (fo0S2)

320 I haven't trusted the FBI since.
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Gringo fuertemente armado-Si Vis Pacam, Para Bellum)

I spent four fantastic years at Huachuca teaching at the school. (Late 80's). A great assignment.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 11, 2020 11:49 PM (axyOa)

321 Son got pulled out of Iraq after Soleimani went to pieces, and sent to another ME country. He was given the title of "Command Historian." He was just home for the first time in three years, and I asked him how he enjoyed the assignment. He said, "I can't tell you what I was doing, but it had nothing to do with history,"

Posted by: Charles the Simple at September 11, 2020 11:49 PM (HuH1F)

322 It's hard to believe it's been 19 years. I vividly remember every moment from the time I heard (from a doctor in a meeting) that the first plane hit to the moment I got down on my knees and prayed for my country and the victims before I went to bed and tried to sleep.

Most of the assholes in the streets are too young to remember it.

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&&&V at September 11, 2020 11:49 PM (HabA/)

323 I've got to read Looming Tower.

Just think of how history would have been different had Clinton bombed AQ after the first WTC attack. He choked.

Posted by: Pj at September 11, 2020 11:50 PM (qlTN9)

324 He said, "I can't tell you what I was doing, but it had nothing to do with history,"
Posted by: Charles the Simple

Maybe Command Historian means he gives the command on who gets to be history.

Posted by: vmom 2020 - 13 Hours Book Review at September 11, 2020 11:51 PM (nUhF0)

325 Is everything good with her now?
Posted by: ... at September 11, 2020 11:47 PM (fo0S2)

So far. Mild fevers and pain. Treatable with Tylenol. With any luck, her wounds will heal within 3wks or 1mo. And after that, G-d willing, we're out of the woods, as far as surgeries go.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 11, 2020 11:52 PM (x73LH)

326
Most of the assholes in the streets are too young to remember it.

Posted by: DonnaV at September 11, 2020 11:49 PM (HabA/)

The little peckerwood bullies would be crying for mommy *and* the cops to come save them if they were ever in such a situation. My snarling guttural contempt for them knows no limit.

Posted by: ... at September 11, 2020 11:52 PM (fo0S2)

327 It has been a while since the last Instant Jihad. I wonder why that is?

Posted by: Oldstoke
//
A strong president who cut off their funds and scared them to death.

Also, so glad that the effing Day of Service seems to have disappeared. How wimpy can you get.

Posted by: Pj at September 11, 2020 11:53 PM (qlTN9)

328 330 It occurs to me that next year, the 20th anniversary, will be on a Saturday, and I wonder how much attention it will get.
Posted by: Methos at September 11, 2020 11:45 PM (kOpft)

President Trump will certainly mark the day. So please go vote for him in person on November 3rd and take 3 friends with you to do the same.

Posted by: RondinellaMamma at September 11, 2020 11:53 PM (8/7u2)

329 So far. Mild fevers and pain. Treatable with
Tylenol. With any luck, her wounds will heal within 3wks or 1mo. And
after that, G-d willing, we're out of the woods, as far as surgeries go.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 11, 2020 11:52 PM (x73LH)

Ohhhh. I will keep her, you and family in prayers. Thanks for the update.

Posted by: ... at September 11, 2020 11:53 PM (fo0S2)

330 328 The NIST engineers concluded that one of the key reasons for the eventual structural failure of the Towers was the impact of the aircraft structures physically removing lots of the fireproofing insulation from the steel. Allowing the very hot and persistent jet fuel fires to eventually heat the steel in the impact zones enough to reduce its structural properties.
Posted by: Gref at September 11, 2020 11:39 PM (AMIL/)

That is pretty much what I just said, and added the mechanics of progressive collapse.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at September 11, 2020 11:43 PM (/Dgcm)

Impact-severed and -damaged perimeter and core columns were major contributors, too. And caused earlier failures than if fire and missing fireproofing were the only factors.

Posted by: Gref at September 11, 2020 11:54 PM (AMIL/)

331 Just think of how history would have been different had Clinton bombed AQ after the first WTC attack. He choked.

BJ Cliton was offered OBL on a silver platter. He refused.

The blood of 3000 innocents are on his hands.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Joe Biden killed my career at September 11, 2020 11:54 PM (HaL55)

332 mad respect there. I joined early at 17.
Posted by: Quint at September 11, 2020 11:39 PM (JCBMS)

---

I was 18 when I went through the first time in '87.

Had a twelve year break in service, so I had to go through basic training again.

Posted by: SMH at September 11, 2020 11:55 PM (RU4sa)

333 It occurs to me that next year, the 20th anniversary, will be on a Saturday, and I wonder how much attention it will get.

Posted by: Methos at September 11, 2020 11:45 PM (kOpft)

If Kaiser Wilhelm has anything to say about it, still being mayor and all, he'll have a muzzie prayer service with Pantyfa serving as security. What's more 'progressively American' than that? Oh, and masks will still be required.

Posted by: RickZ at September 11, 2020 11:55 PM (Y8PSl)

334 Good night, folks.

Posted by: Gref at September 11, 2020 11:55 PM (AMIL/)

335 My niece and god daughter was born 26 years ago today. Her brother was born on December 7. I call them the disaster kids. They take that in stride.

Posted by: tcn in AK at September 11, 2020 11:56 PM (qQnCr)

336 Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 11, 2020 11:52 PM (x73LH

prayers for your precious baby
been through so much so young - may she grow strong and healthy

Posted by: vmom 2020 - 13 Hours Book Review at September 11, 2020 11:57 PM (nUhF0)

337 Impact-severed and -damaged perimeter and core columns were major
contributors, too. And caused earlier failures than if fire and missing
fireproofing were the only factors.

I seem to recall hearing that OBL had some sort of civil engineering knowledge so he knew where the planes should hit to bring the buildings down, too.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Joe Biden killed my career at September 11, 2020 11:57 PM (HaL55)

338 I spent four fantastic years at Huachuca teaching at the school. (Late 80's). A great assignment.
Posted by: Diogenes at September 11, 2020 11:49 PM (axyOa)

That is what spouse did at Friedman Hall (98J she was. I was a 98C. Met at Hovey in the 2ID (102nd MI) and have been together ever since).

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Gringo fuertemente armado-Si Vis Pacam, Para Bellum) at September 11, 2020 11:57 PM (l7Kbv)

339 Should've rebuilt them as was.

Posted by: not so at September 11, 2020 11:58 PM (vwLr1)

340 all those people died a terrible death, jumping, burning, crushed

islam is asshole

Posted by: will pick a nic latter at September 11, 2020 11:58 PM (GIeIM)

341 That is pretty much what I just said, and added the mechanics of progressive collapse.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at September 11, 2020 11:43 PM (/Dgcm)

Impact-severed and -damaged perimeter and core columns were major contributors, too. And caused earlier failures than if fire and missing fireproofing were the only factors.
Posted by: Gref at September 11, 2020 11:54 PM (AMIL/)

Yeah, well, as an architect I take an interest in the aftermath discussion. Essentially, the towers were not designed to withstand being hit WITH A DAMNED JET AIRPLANE!!!

Mostly that.

We COULD design them that way, but there would be no reason to do so, were it not for a murderous death cult and it's adherents.

Fuckers.

Posted by: tcn in AK at September 11, 2020 11:58 PM (qQnCr)

342 357 Should've rebuilt them as was.
Posted by: not so at September 11, 2020 11:58 PM (vwLr1)

Trump wanted to rebuild them taller

Posted by: vmom 2020 - 13 Hours Book Review at September 11, 2020 11:59 PM (nUhF0)

343 Sickening to read that the sports ball people did a 180 after their disgraceful pandering last night.

Today, they're all "Remember that terrible day."

Yeah, we remember all right. That's why we don't look kindly on your shitting on first responders.

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&&&V at September 11, 2020 11:59 PM (HabA/)

344 Should've rebuilt them as was.
Posted by: not so at September 11, 2020 11:58 PM (vwLr1)

Trump wanted to rebuild them taller
Posted by: vmom 2020 - 13 Hours Book Review at September

twice as many twice as tall

Posted by: not so at September 12, 2020 12:00 AM (vwLr1)

345 364 Should've rebuilt them as was.
Posted by: not so at September 11, 2020 11:58 PM (vwLr1)

Trump wanted to rebuild them taller
Posted by: vmom 2020 - 13 Hours Book Review at September

twice as many twice as tall
Posted by: not so at September 12, 2020 12:00 AM (vwLr1)

Yuge!

Posted by: tcn in AK at September 12, 2020 12:00 AM (qQnCr)

346 the twin towers were engineered to take a 707 or 727 hit

UBL thought they could knock them over.

didn't work

a more deadly scenerio would have the airline strike as low as possible, trapping more above

islam is a-hole

Posted by: will pick a nic latter at September 12, 2020 12:00 AM (GIeIM)

347 Where's our friend Bill Ayers, right now?

Posted by: Vito Mob and vice versa at September 12, 2020 12:01 AM (VoKVv)

348 We COULD design them that way, but there would be no reason to do so, were it not for a murderous death cult and it's adherents.
Posted by: tcn in AK at September 11, 2020 11:58 PM (qQnCr)

Well they did, but for a 707 at takeoff and landing speeds not a 747 at cruising speeds.

Posted by: PUE 206 at September 12, 2020 12:01 AM (D/SYi)

349 Sorry 737

Posted by: PUE 206 at September 12, 2020 12:01 AM (D/SYi)

350 I guess I should turn in
going to bed
grateful and proud to be an American
God bless President Trump
God bless the USA

Posted by: vmom 2020 - 13 Hours Book Review at September 12, 2020 12:02 AM (nUhF0)

351 This country has never stopped being exceptional. Not even with the current woes, we've dealt with worse in our history and prevailed.

I'll never ever lose faith in her or become disillusioned in her promise--one day, through our effort and sacrifice, we will see her as that "shining city on a hill" again.

Hold to that and never quit.

Posted by: irongrampa at September 12, 2020 12:02 AM (KATBx)

352
This country has never stopped being exceptional. Not even with the
current woes, we've dealt with worse in our history and prevailed.

I'll
never ever lose faith in her or become disillusioned in her
promise--one day, through our effort and sacrifice, we will see her as
that "shining city on a hill" again.

Hold to that and never quit.

Amen, irongrampa.

And on that note, it's getting to be bedtime for Bonzo. Y'all don't trash the place.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Joe Biden killed my career at September 12, 2020 12:05 AM (HaL55)

353 Today, I'm far more worried about the evil people who look like us, were born and raised here, have our accents - and yet hate our guts and are not our fellow Americans. And many of them hold positions of power and/or are extremely wealthy, thanks to the bounty of the country they hate.

I don't care if a million savages in a different part of the globe hate us. Knowing that neighbors down the street - or even old coworkers and family members - wouldn't have my back if antifa attacked me for the crime of wearing a MAGA hat - that is far more disturbing.

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&&&V at September 12, 2020 12:06 AM (HabA/)

354 where's mishm?
Posted by: not so at September 11, 2020 11:31 PM (vwLr1)

On vacay, out bear hunting. Fireplace needs a rug. Due back on sunday, IIRC.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

He bought a Bat Ranch, and its roundup time.

Posted by: JT at September 12, 2020 12:07 AM (arJlL)

355 ONE nation, under GOD, dammit.

Not a bunch of this-americans and that-americans and sodomites and babies twerking and asshoes.

ONE nation. Under GOD.

Amen.

Posted by: tcn in AK at September 12, 2020 12:07 AM (qQnCr)

356
Well, hell, bugger me dead. Judge Nap:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/
article-8724203/

Judge Nap is accused of giving an arsonist (male) a lenient sentence in exchange for performing oral sex on duh judge.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at September 12, 2020 12:07 AM (rCwaK)

357 who had the Kardashians would STOP making TV shows on their 2020 bingo card?

Posted by: will pick a nic latter at September 12, 2020 12:08 AM (GIeIM)

358 mad respect there.

Yep

Posted by: JT at September 12, 2020 12:08 AM (arJlL)

359 367 Where's our friend Bill Ayers, right now?
Posted by: Vito Mob and vice versa at September 12, 2020 12:01 AM (VoKVv)

Throwing bricks at a storefront in Chicago? Burning a flag?

Or, even more likely, since he's old, donating money to the commie cause.

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&&&V at September 12, 2020 12:08 AM (HabA/)

360 I agree Backwards Boy.

Posted by: Pj at September 12, 2020 12:08 AM (qlTN9)

361 is bat ranching outside of China profitable?

Posted by: will pick a nic latter at September 12, 2020 12:08 AM (GIeIM)

362 I don't care if a million savages in a different part of the globe hate us. Knowing that neighbors down the street - or even old coworkers and family members - wouldn't have my back if antifa attacked me for the crime of wearing a MAGA hat - that is far more disturbing.
Posted by: Donna&&&&&&&&V at September 12, 2020 12:06 AM (HabA/)

This is why we carry. An armed society is a polite society. And it is time these pantifa folks learned that truth.

Daddy Warbucks probably needs that lesson as well.

Posted by: tcn in AK at September 12, 2020 12:09 AM (qQnCr)

363 He bought a Bat Ranch, and its roundup time.
Posted by: JT at September

with bears?

Posted by: not so at September 12, 2020 12:09 AM (vwLr1)

364 Long time lurker here, felt compelled to share, documentary '9/11: The Falling Man' is on AHC channel right now. I believe he worked at Windows of the World, a restaurant in one of the towers. I remember.

Posted by: Lurker Ted at September 12, 2020 12:10 AM (/z61n)

365 That is what spouse did at Friedman Hall (98J she was. I was a 98C. Met at Hovey in the 2ID (102nd MI) and have been together ever since).
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Gringo fuertemente armado-Si Vis Pacam, Para Bellum) at September 11

Cool!
I ran EBD for awhile and STID and was also the deputy director at DTIMS.
Small world.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 12, 2020 12:10 AM (axyOa)

366 JuJuBee: The weird part was later in the day, all those hospitals and medical personnel waiting, waiting, waiting for the thousands of injured...and nothing....

Same as the OKC bombing. An old friend was a nurse there and he said every med person reported in as soon as the news came... but there was mostly just death.

Other similarity: It was such a beautiful sunny day.

Posted by: mindful webworker
They will not win
at September 12, 2020 12:10 AM (U/u2R)

367 377 who had the Kardashians would STOP making TV shows on their 2020 bingo card?
Posted by: will pick a nic latter at September 12, 2020 12:08 AM (GIeIM)

I didn't have that picked out but I actually had high hopes for 2020. Really, I did.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 12, 2020 12:11 AM (NWiLs)

368 >>I've got to read Looming Tower.

>>Just think of how history would have been different had Clinton bombed AQ after the first WTC attack. He choked.

I love Reagan and what he did for this country. He and Trump are obviously the best two presidents we've had in a generation at least.

But he made a mistake after the Beruit bombings. He didn't strike back and it was noticed. It started before Clinton.

Looming Tower is really good.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 12, 2020 12:11 AM (ZLI7S)

369 God Bless President Trump, our military and the USA!

Posted by: The Man from Athens at September 12, 2020 12:11 AM (QMwOT)

370 367 Where's our friend Bill Ayers, right now?
Posted by: Vito Mob and vice versa at September 12, 2020 12:01 AM (VoKVv)
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Still "guilty as sin, free as a bird."

I remember that, by a bizarre coincidence, an article about him appeared in some major publication on the morning of 9/11. There was a photo of him trampling on a crumpled flag.

But we elected his prodigy 7 years later.
Amazing.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at September 12, 2020 12:11 AM (M/9m0)

371 aparently Portland, OR antifa is now training Rochester, NY antifa

they had 100 plus night to hone tacticts in PDX

Posted by: will pick a nic latter at September 12, 2020 12:11 AM (GIeIM)

372 361 THANK YOU! I thought I was the only one on earth who remembered Trump saying that. I remember it very well, because as soon as I heard those words, I just blurted out, "Trump ought to be president!"

JWM

Posted by: jwm at September 12, 2020 12:12 AM (HnUoF)

373 Hi Lurker Ted !!

Posted by: will pick a nic latter at September 12, 2020 12:12 AM (GIeIM)

374 But we elected his prodigy 7 years later.
Amazing.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at September 12, 2020 12:11 AM (M/9m0)

Protege. TFG was never a prodigy.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 12, 2020 12:12 AM (NWiLs)

375 384 Long time lurker here, felt compelled to share,
documentary '9/11: The Falling Man' is on AHC channel right now. I
believe he worked at Windows of the World, a restaurant in one of the
towers. I remember.

Posted by: Lurker Ted at September 12, 2020 12:10 AM (/z61n)

that was a famous restaurant there that everyone wanted to go to and loved the experience.

Posted by: Quint at September 12, 2020 12:13 AM (JCBMS)

376 Protege. TFG was never a prodigy.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo

Progeny, in spirit

Posted by: vmom 2020 - 13 Hours Book Review at September 12, 2020 12:13 AM (nUhF0)

377 296 I used to tell people who despaired watching the collapses and who would tell me how evil humans are, to try to remember how many men in those buildings were on their way *up*.

Yes the evil in some has a way of bringing out the best in others

Posted by: bill-o at September 12, 2020 12:14 AM (rt0xh)

378 Never forget

Posted by: zeera My tomatoes are doing GREAT at September 12, 2020 12:15 AM (zUdXR)

379 396 Protege. TFG was never a prodigy.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo

Progeny, in spirit
Posted by: vmom 2020 - 13 Hours Book Review at September 12, 2020 12:13 AM (nUhF0)

If Bill Ayers had a mulatto son...

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 12, 2020 12:15 AM (NWiLs)

380 This thread is too dark.

https://youtu.be/3MwVslXOzMs

Have some dog & cat funnies.

Posted by: BifBewalski 🂡 Moron at September 12, 2020 12:16 AM (VcFUs)

381 my 2020 bingo card has republicans in running shoes rioting in November, same as the Broward County republicans did in 2000

anyone else have that?

Posted by: will pick a nic latter at September 12, 2020 12:16 AM (GIeIM)

382 I didn't have that picked out but I actually had high hopes for 2020. Really, I did.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo

It ain't over until Trigglypuff and RBG sing and do a Nicholas Bros Routine......

Posted by: JT at September 12, 2020 12:17 AM (arJlL)

383 There were no suicides on 9-11. None are recorded. All are recorded as homicides. The jumpers were either blown off and not thus not jumpers, or jumped rather than be burned to death. They chose how they would die and robbed the bastards who did this of the satisfaction of knowing they burned them, which was their plan.

I believe we still have the ashes of Mohammed Ata. They need to be placed in a toilet in NYC for all to crap on them.

Posted by: The Man from Athens at September 12, 2020 12:17 AM (QMwOT)

384 ..367 Where's our friend Bill Ayers, right now?
Posted by: Vito Mob and vice versa at September 12, 2020 12:01 AM (VoKVv)
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Still "guilty as sin, free as a bird."

I remember that, by a bizarre coincidence, an article about him appeared in some major publication on the morning of 9/11. There was a photo of him trampling on a crumpled flag.

But we elected his prodigy 7 years later.
Amazing.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at September 12, 2020 12:11 AM (M/9m0)

391 aparently Portland, OR antifa is now training Rochester, NY antifa

they had 100 plus night to hone tacticts in PDX

Posted by: will pick a nic latter at September 12, 2020 12:11 AM (GIeIM)

Were President Trump to declare Open Season, No Bag Limits on these pukes, we would burn through them like a plasma torch.

No, I'm not under-rating my enemy. Some of them can and will fight, and a "more than few" of them, will even resist and present "skills".

But not for very long, really.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at September 12, 2020 12:17 AM (QzJWU)

385 I stand behind my The Looming Tower recco. If I got this one wrong, I can't judge a book. The writer is no conserve but a straight forward journalist as far as I know. They made a movie about it but i don't vouch for that.

A quick check showed it used the sell out Jeff Daniels.

Posted by: Quint at September 12, 2020 12:17 AM (JCBMS)

386
7-year-old N**** the Valiant decided on a military career on September
11, 2001. His stated goal in life was to kill every last terrorist in
the world. He was sorry when the Air Force sent him to Intel school, as
he wanted a weapon in his hand, but I old him he would kill more as an
Intell officer. Last October he deployed to Baghdad, and terrorists
started 'splodin'. Al Baghdadi, Soleimani, the head of the Iraqi
militia. He says it wasn't him, but he wouldn't tell me if it was.
Coincidence?

Please tell him two things.

Good job!

Faster, please.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com lives again at September 12, 2020 12:18 AM (SchxB)

387 Cool!
I ran EBD for awhile and STID and was also the deputy director at DTIMS.
Small world.
Posted by: Diogenes at September 12, 2020 12:10 AM (axyOa)

MI is still a small world. She taught ASAS and Analyst Notebook; ended up as a BATGirl in biometrics teaching both BAT and SEEK2. Me? Still at EPG doing what I do best.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Gringo fuertemente armado-Si Vis Pacam, Para Bellum) at September 12, 2020 12:18 AM (l7Kbv)

388 Wasn't The Looming Tower turned into a miniseries?

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 12, 2020 12:19 AM (L2ZTs)

389 330
It occurs to me that next year, the 20th anniversary, will be on a Saturday, and I wonder how much attention it will get.

Posted by: Methos at September 11, 2020 11:45 PM (kOpft)

--------------------------

Day of the week matters less than composition of the federal executive brance. President Trump will make sure it is remembered, and the fallen honored. President Fingerbang would also make sure it is remembered, but only insofar as the horrible effects it had on Peoples Of Colors and the poor innocent Muslims who've suffered at the hands of Bad Whitey.

Make no mistake, they would love nothing more than to take it and turn it 180 degrees, permanently.

Posted by: Pennsyltucky at September 12, 2020 12:20 AM (+3rQF)

390 Some guy on Twitter is claiming to be a Bernie supporter who worked on Biden's campaign and he says Biden is taking Namenda for his dementia. There was supposedly a day in May when Biden thought he was running against Gary Hart and they put him on the medication then.

It has helped, but the campaign sees whether he is having a good or bad day before deciding who he can interact with. But one of the side-effects of the medication is incontinence, which is why he doesn't stick around for questions often.

So having a presidential candidate piss himself and wander off the stage during a debate might be just the season finale that a year like 2020 needs.

Posted by: Thatch at September 12, 2020 12:21 AM (qWceQ)

391 I have food riots in China on my 2020 bingo card
anyone else have that square?

Posted by: will pick a nic latter at September 12, 2020 12:21 AM (GIeIM)

392 Where sin increases, the love of God increases more.

Too many died going up those towers. Too many died taking down that plane heading to DC. Numbers that vastly outnumber the number of bastards who did this.

Posted by: The Man from Athens at September 12, 2020 12:22 AM (QMwOT)

393 So having a presidential candidate piss himself and wander off the stage during a debate might be just the season finale that a year like 2020 needs.
Posted by: Thatch at September 12, 2020 12:21 AM (qWceQ)

never happen, Biden will have 2 pair/sets of Depends on

Posted by: will pick a nic latter at September 12, 2020 12:23 AM (GIeIM)

394 Walter Hynes, Captain, FDNY, Ladder 13, Manhattan. 46 yo.

Posted by: Mr. Barky at September 12, 2020 12:23 AM (kU0z6)

395
BJ Cliton was offered OBL on a silver platter. He refused.

The blood of 3000 innocents are on his hands.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Joe Biden killed my career

=======

I saw BJ being interviewed once and he said the one thing about his presidency that he regretted was that he didn't get OBL. I actually half-believe him, although I think his regrets were for himself. Another part of his legacy he was hoping to adjust through his wife's terms in the White House. I think she would have been a hawk to make up for his deficiencies and also because she'd have loved to boss around the military. She'd have emasculated them and then sent them into battle in eco-friendly jets.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at September 12, 2020 12:24 AM (G51Gf)

396 394
Protege. TFG was never a prodigy.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 12, 2020 12:12 AM (NWiLs)
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Well, I dunno. That crunchy figs poem was damned good for a 3 year old.
Oh, wait. He was 23 when he wrote it. Never mind.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at September 12, 2020 12:25 AM (M/9m0)

397 never forget on 9-11 2016, Hillary Clinton was tossed into a van like a sack of onions

Posted by: will pick a nic latter at September 12, 2020 12:25 AM (GIeIM)

398 Thank you weirddave. Perfect ONT for today.

I had just finished hosting a Bible study for women, many of them Christians married to Muslims, in Jordan. Over 80 women in my apartment, singing, praying and fellowshipping. We had been there about a month.

My husband called and said he wouldn't be coming home for a while, look at the TV. Of course, it wasn't working. My kids came home from school saying that the Palestinian kids were dancing and singing, and throwing rocks at them. School was shut down for the next week, because of the death threats.

But the most poignant thing I remember was driving to the embassy, and a little boy playing outside noticed our license plate -US diplomats. He waved us down, and in broken English, said, "I'm sorry. We love you." He blew kisses to my kids and tried to give them his ball. So there was someone who knew how awful 9/11 was, and someone bothered to teach him that. That gives me hope.

Posted by: Moki at September 12, 2020 12:26 AM (+X9Vs)

399 I am reliably informed that this is the original script that was butchered into the movie . . .

. . .

Wait for it . . .

. . .

PROMETHEUS!!!!

DUN DUN DUHHHHHH!!!

https://t.co/XB1rQraJQ1?amp=1

I am further reliably informed that this original script actually explains what the fuck was really going on*.

*Though almost certainly it does not explain why otherwise intelligent people stick their faces in Alien egg sacks nor why they do not run sideways when being chased by a rolling donut-shaped spaceship.

Perhaps our Long National Prometheus Nightmare may finally be over.

See ya in the movie thread tomorrow!

Posted by: Sharkman at September 12, 2020 12:26 AM (Qio/u)

400
Oh, and speaking of Hillary, if this day has anything good about it, it's that Hillary is not appearing with her fake-sanctimonious face to dominate memorial ceremonies in the capacity of president. God that would have been bitter.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at September 12, 2020 12:27 AM (G51Gf)

401 Namenda only delays it if it does anything at all. Are we really going to elect Kamala Harris in two months? She was one of the first booted out by the Dems n'est- ce pas?

Posted by: Quint at September 12, 2020 12:29 AM (JCBMS)

402 Wow Moki .......

Posted by: JT at September 12, 2020 12:29 AM (arJlL)

403 ok, anyone have this square on their 2020 bingo card

Cougars in Southern California are exhibiting kinked tails and undescended testes, signs of poor genetic diversity

Posted by: will pick a nic latter at September 12, 2020 12:29 AM (GIeIM)

404 Impact-severed and -damaged perimeter and core columns were major contributors, too. And caused earlier failures than if fire and missing fireproofing were the only factors.
Posted by: Gref at September 11, 2020 11:54 PM (AMIL/)
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What's amazing is how long the towers stood, despite the grievous damage.

Yes, a lot of lives were lost, but, a lot were saved, because those buildings stood long enough for people to get out.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at September 12, 2020 12:29 AM (WEBkv)

405 NEW/exclusive: Democratic insiders and former Senate staffers set up a war room to quickly kill the filibuster in anticipation of a 2020 election sweep and to pass big progressive bills.

Posted by: Half a Helicopter Ride at September 12, 2020 12:30 AM (zrW8E)

406 So having a presidential candidate piss himself and wander off the stage during a debate might be just the season finale that a year like 2020 needs.
Posted by: Thatch at September 12, 2020 12:21 AM (qWceQ)

Free Shit Army will still vote for him... the Demcong machine that is.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at September 12, 2020 12:30 AM (/Dgcm)

407 Not that I was ever a fan but a lot of people wondered what "they" had on Napolitano when he made his sudden and bizarre "turn" around the rise of Trump...

Posted by: ee at September 12, 2020 12:31 AM (jUeH+)

408 Great story, Moki.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at September 12, 2020 12:32 AM (WEBkv)

409 Thank you for the pic WD,

Moki, thank you for sharing that story.

And thanks to all who have shares their stories.

Amen to Muldoon's prayer up top.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at September 12, 2020 12:32 AM (IDhUW)

410 393 Hi Lurker Ted !!

Hello will pick, and hello to the rest of the horde!
My 9/11 experience: I'm up here in the Boston area, lived in Davis Sq Somerville at the time. I had two Irish roommates. I got up and went to take a shower when they told me a plane had hit one of the towers and asked what kind of plane knowing the towers were designed to take a hit from planes of a certain size. Someone mentioned the same above. Anyway, I went about my business and when I exited the bathroom they were standing there, their eyes wide as I have ever seen. Seamus says another plane hit the other tower, it was a airliner. I told them 'we're under attack'. Patrick had a cousin on FDNY, he didn't make it. I had a former manager, Anna Allison, was in one of the planes.

Posted by: Lurker Ted at September 12, 2020 12:33 AM (/z61n)

411 A several weeks later the local paper ran the semi-annual list of auctions of storage units that were 90 days late in Bisbee/Douglas/Sierra Vista. Two of the names matched hijackers on 9/11. I contacted the local FBI office. They were monumentally disinterested in that info. I tracked the auction and found those units were sold off without FBI search. The storage units were in Douglas where it turned out two hijackers took flight training.

I haven't trusted the FBI since.
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Gringo fuertemente armado-Si Vis Pacam, Para Bellum) at September 11, 2020 11:41 PM (l7Kbv)

I just read this. You have got to be freaking kidding me that they ignored this intel.

Posted by: Moki at September 12, 2020 12:34 AM (+X9Vs)

412 Obama was a prodigy at hating America and his white half

Posted by: ee at September 12, 2020 12:34 AM (jUeH+)

413 But the most poignant thing I remember was driving to the embassy, and a little boy playing outside noticed our license plate -US diplomats. He waved us down, and in broken English, said, "I'm sorry. We love you." He blew kisses to my kids and tried to give them his ball. So there was someone who knew how awful 9/11 was, and someone bothered to teach him that. That gives me hope.

Posted by: Moki at September 12, 2020 12:26 AM (+X9Vs)

Goddamn it got dusty in here all of a sudden.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 12, 2020 12:35 AM (NWiLs)

414 . I think she would have been a hawk to make up for his deficiencies and also because she'd have loved to boss around the military. She'd have emasculated them and then sent them into battle in eco-friendly jets.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at September 12, 2020 12:24 AM (G51Gf)

problem is she's an idiot
look what she did in Libya takung out Qaddafi
and look at Benghazi
she can't think 2 steps ahead

Posted by: vmom 2020 - 13 Hours Book Review at September 12, 2020 12:37 AM (nUhF0)

415 That picture rips my heart out every time. I only hope hell had an appropriate reception waiting for the Saudi hijackers.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 12, 2020 12:37 AM (grT4k)

416 I just read this. You have got to be freaking kidding me that they ignored this intel.
Posted by: Moki at September 12, 2020 12:34 AM (+X9Vs)

In the few dealings I've had with the FBI on a professional level in the performance of my duties since then... it hasn't gotten any better.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Gringo fuertemente armado-Si Vis Pacam, Para Bellum) at September 12, 2020 12:38 AM (l7Kbv)

417 I think of the freedoms we lost because of the 9/11 attack and I hope we don't lose more freedoms because of the china virus.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at September 12, 2020 12:38 AM (IDhUW)

418
Not that I was ever a fan but a lot of people wondered what "they" had
on Napolitano when he made his sudden and bizarre "turn" around the rise
of Trump...

Posted by: ee at September 12, 2020 12:31 AM (jUeH+)

I don't know of his present troubles. I feel badly for the man as I recall liking him a long time ago. I prefer a libertarian to a statist as long as both are conservatives. But that guy went off the rails when he blamed Lincoln for the Civil War and every death that resulted in the conflict.

He was not the first lawyer to fail at history I know some really top notch historians that used to debate lawyers and they saw the flaw themselves. Law is about arguing one fact that helps your argument and ignoring the ten facts that disprove it. Great for a lawyer, but it is crap history.

Posted by: Quint at September 12, 2020 12:38 AM (JCBMS)

419 Something I posted this morning, worth a repost in this memorial thread, because after 19 years, the Jihadi Wars are over. We deserve good news, and we deserve to reflect on how we won, because even though the MSM won't acknowledge it, we HAVE won.

266 70 OT BREAKING:
Trump gets Bahrain to sign peace deal with Israel.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 11, 2020 12:11 PM (s2VJv)

WHAT THIS MEANS: And I don't mean this particular deal today, but all the things that have been happening this year together, of which this is just the culmination:

The Jihadi Wars, which we commemorate today on 9/11, are over. They're done. We won, it's finished. No, not everything is perfect, and not everything went the way it should but that's because this is real life, not a fantasy story. The Jihadi Wars are over, and we still won.

For nearly 20 years, I have been convinced that this could only truly end with one final great conflagration, the war with Iran that everyone has been building towards all this time. All of the other opponents have been getting killed off one by one; Syria is mostly depopulated and destroyed, Libya has turned into Mad Maxistan where no one goes in or out, Egypt is quiet under the Dictator they deserve, the Saudi's and the Gulf States decided self preservation really was something they wanted to pursue, and the Palestinians are completely broke and living in a large prison, stuck waiting for a Snake Plissken to come in and save them from their own leadership.

But Iran, Iran always loomed large, Iran was building nukes, Iran had taken over the jihadi networks, Iran was building towards a major war with us, and then - Trump had Soleimani taken out, as well as helping to neutralize them in Syria. This was the call to Iran to really hit back, to let loose anything they had, they had just been publicly punched in the mouth, all of their allies were watching to see what they would do - and what they did was to meekly surrender and slink back to their home territory. They folded their hands, at the first sign of real opposition, and they gave up.

This was truly an incredible turn of events, even I never expected them to give up as completely as they have. Oh, they will continue to cause trouble whenever they can, that's who they are - but their Will has been broken, in front of all. They can never recover from that. I think it also helped that the weapons making arsenal of their proxy army, Hezbollah, went up in a mushroom cloud in Beirut.

I close with this ancient thought, which we've discussed recently: "To fight and conquer in all our battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting." - Sun Tzu

The Jihadi Wars are over.

The Antifa Wars have begun.

but that's the next chapter.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 12, 2020 12:38 AM (V2Yro)

420 problem is she's an idiot
look what she did in Libya takung out Qaddafi
and look at Benghazi
she can't think 2 steps ahead
Posted by: vmom 2020 - 13 Hours Book Review at September 12, 2020 12:37 AM (nUhF0)
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Libya was a warning to the rest of the world. Clinton was sending a message, letting countries know that if they didn't "donate" to the Clinton foundation, they could expect to be reminded of their responsibility by a visit from our military, after she became president.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at September 12, 2020 12:39 AM (WEBkv)

421 I had a former manager, Anna Allison, was in one of the planes.
Posted by: Lurker Ted at September 12, 2020 12:33 AM (/z61n)

that sucks

Posted by: will pick a nic latter at September 12, 2020 12:39 AM (GIeIM)

422 No civilian American has ever seen any photos or video of any American dead from this attach. Their is a shit load of it. Bodies slamming into the concrete outside the towers. All highly censored, not out of "respect for the dead" but to keep our righteous anger under control. My righteous anger has not subsided in the slightest.

Posted by: IMR4198 at September 12, 2020 12:40 AM (sjUF+)

423 Not that I was ever a fan but a lot of people wondered what "they" had
on Napolitano when he made his sudden and bizarre "turn" around the rise
of Trump...

This might be it:

https://preview.tinyurl.com/y2fcvxzq

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com lives again at September 12, 2020 12:40 AM (SchxB)

424 435 A several weeks later the local paper ran the semi-annual list of auctions of storage units that were 90 days late in Bisbee/Douglas/Sierra Vista. Two of the names matched hijackers on 9/11. I contacted the local FBI office. They were monumentally disinterested in that info. I tracked the auction and found those units were sold off without FBI search. The storage units were in Douglas where it turned out two hijackers took flight training.

I haven't trusted the FBI since.
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Gringo fuertemente armado-Si Vis Pacam, Para Bellum) at September 11, 2020 11:41 PM (l7Kbv)

I just read this. You have got to be freaking kidding me that they ignored this intel.
Posted by: Moki at September 12, 2020 12:34 AM (+X9Vs)

I have no belief that this is true.

I worked for the military. They did not want to see, what they did not want to see.

Even when it MY MEN, in danger.

One of the reasons I retired before I had to.

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 12, 2020 12:41 AM (NgKpN)

425 I now think when the FBI goes into a situation it is to cover it up. The agency needs to be dismantled

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at September 12, 2020 12:41 AM (IDhUW)

426 fuck, they listed all 19 names in under 6 hours.

how the fuck were they so fast?

Posted by: will pick a nic latter at September 12, 2020 12:42 AM (GIeIM)

427 My 9-11 story takes place in 2004. Little had just been born in November, and my in-laws came down from Canada to visit for Christmas. They wanted to see New York, and one of the places we visited was, of course, ground zero.

It was bitterly cold that day, and I was wearing Little in a BabyBjorn pack on my chest, wrapped in a thick blanket. Think backpack for baby but worn on the front.

Anyway, ground zero was still just a hole in the ground. All around for blocks was construction logistics, including many, many temporary plywood walls that were completely covered with messages remember the atrocity in all languages. Down in the huge hole people were working. It was a sobering scene. We're (not just my family but hundreds of people) all walking around, dead silent, just absorbing the monumental impact of it all. Behind me I hear a man say quietly to his friend "You know there were no Jews there. The Jews were warned away". He spoke good English but with an accent, if I had to take a completely unfounded guess I'd say he might have been someone who immigrated from Iran after the fall of the Shah.

You have to understand how sobering the whole place was. It was as if the air itself had been dipped in death and hung like a wet towel over all our heads. In any event, to hear such racist blasphemy at that time and place....I snapped.

I whirled around and stuck my finger in his face, yelling "THAT'S A LIE! THAT'S A MOTHERFUCKING LIE! I HAD A JEWISH FRIEND WHO BARELY ESCAPED TOWER TWO ON THAT DAY! (true)." My head was pounding. I was literally seeing red, but I clenched my fists, gritted my teeth, spun on my heel and walked away. He let me go. I think he was as shocked as I was angry, but I've often wondered why he didn't slug me. That would be the natural reaction of an extremely hostile stranger getting right in your face. I finally concluded that it must have been because I was wearing a baby. I went into a nearby department store and just stood shaking through a massive adrenaline dump.

Funny coda to the story, my in-laws, who didn't know me that well at this point, saw me out of the blue suddenly violently verbally attack a stranger - at ground zero(!) - and then stalk away. They hadn't heard the comment, they thought Gingy had married a madman. It wasn't until she explained it to them later (after learning from me what happened) that they understood.

Posted by: Weirddave at September 12, 2020 12:43 AM (c1qZN)

428 fuck, they listed all 19 names in under 6 hours.

how the fuck were they so fast?

Payroll caught it when they didn't clock out?

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com lives again at September 12, 2020 12:43 AM (SchxB)

429 We were flying to Chicago from Atlantic City on 9/11. Scary thing is we had contemplated flying out of Newark.

Landed at O'Hare and it was weird, very quiet and armed guards around. Got our car and headed home, stopping at the DeKalb oasis for a bite. We were talking about our trip, never had the radio on.

After the stop we turned it on just as the second tower fell. We had landed after the first was hit and before the second one was. Tried the cell phone to call our folks, of course it was dead.

Got home called them, then got calls from others who knew we were flying that day wondering if we were OK. Travel agent even called.

In the aftermath what is kinda odd is when cleaning up emails awhile later, I discovered I wrote about having nightmares about that day afterwards. To this day I have absolutely no recollection of that.

Funny how your mind actually protects you by erasing some memories.

MIL's maid of honor lost her son, he worked at Cantor Fitzgerald. She died a few yrs later of cancer, wonder if it was accelerated by that awul day.

As long as we share our memories of that day those poor souls that perished will not be forgotten.

Posted by: Farmer at September 12, 2020 12:44 AM (LthQw)

430 For bad decisions this one ranks up there with Oberlin going after Gibson Bakery.

Chuck Norris is suing a company that sells a Viagra knock-off to knock it off using his likeness.

They should be thankful he is only suing them.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 12, 2020 12:45 AM (md0Us)

431 Posted by: Weirddave at September 12, 2020 12:43 AM (c1qZN)
9-11 stories?

I had been dating a women for over a year.

Good times, FANTASTIC sex.

Then 9/11 hit, and I had retired from the Navy just a few years prior.

I was CONVINCED that I would be recalled, due to my prior record.

Bought a new .45 to get back into practice.

THAT was the reason she chose to 'break up' with me.

Buying the gun.

Dodged that bullet.

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 12, 2020 12:48 AM (NgKpN)

432 Chuck Norris is suing a company that sells a Viagra knock-off to knock it off using his likeness.

They should be thankful he is only suing them.
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 12, 2020 12:45 AM (md0Us)
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Funny story about Chuck. A couple of guys tried to rob him at knife point. He took them both apart, according to the story. Evidently, the cops asked the guys why they thought it was a good idea to rob Chuck Norris and they said they thought it wasn't actually Chuck doing the stunts.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at September 12, 2020 12:48 AM (WEBkv)

433 steve,
Jules said it was, maybe we watched it, I think we did. I've so much on that day I don't remember all of them. I do recall watching the French docu and one w/ girls fleeing their apt.

Posted by: Farmer at September 12, 2020 12:49 AM (LthQw)

434 IIRC, the pair of F-16s that would have been to intercept in time to prevent a dive on Central DC were un-armed, and were or would have been ordered to ram the plane.
Posted by: Gref

This may have been answered already, but there were two unarmed planes, and the pilots (one M one F) talked through who would go first. Don't recall what they decided. Fortunately, moot.

Posted by: mindful webworker
They will not win
at September 12, 2020 12:50 AM (U/u2R)

435
Bugger me dead as Zettai says again. I've got the damned shingles (again). I had my infusion for the RA yesterday, and I reckon that immune suppression triggered. I noticed a little bump right under my belly button yesterday evening, and thought it was a fireant pustule -- it looked like it.

And then just a few minutes ago, I noticed some burning on my left front above the waistline. Bingo, several blisters, and they have that burning funny feeling.

It's shingles. Luckily I've got some acyclovir here and have started it, but only about 6 pills, so I'll have to go to the doc ASAP.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at September 12, 2020 12:51 AM (rCwaK)

436 "You know there were no Jews there. The Jews were warned away". He spoke good English but with an accent,

I'm pissed just reading this

btw
how fucking come mad jihadi's warned all the Jews away rather than not and kill them.

islamic conspiracy theory take a masters degree in goat sex with a minor in dropped on your head repeatedly untill the age of 4

Posted by: will pick a nic latter at September 12, 2020 12:51 AM (GIeIM)

437 Even when it MY MEN, in danger.

One of the reasons I retired before I had to.
Posted by: Romeo13 at September 12, 2020 12:41 AM (NgKpN)

Its why when the media reports that the Intelligence Community says this, I don't believe it. The civvie IC is nothing but political crap. Saw it when I was at Meade in the Building (AKA NSA). I saw the civvie IC. It is crap and only gotten worse in the 30 years since. Fucking worthless doesn't even begin to describe. Dangerous to our national security is the only way to describe it.

Even the dot mil side isn't immune. LT COL Bearclaw actually thought himself qualified to QC a POTUS phonecon? AYFKM?!

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Gringo fuertemente armado-Si Vis Pacam, Para Bellum) at September 12, 2020 12:51 AM (l7Kbv)

438 Bought a new .45 to get back into practice.

what kind/manufacturer?

Posted by: will pick a nic latter at September 12, 2020 12:52 AM (GIeIM)

439 The planes scrambled that day were two UNARMED F-15s. Both Air National Guard.

You see the Cold War was over so aircraft on 24 hour alert were not needed. Neither was Air Defense Command.

From memory the pilots decided ramming was a good option.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 12, 2020 12:52 AM (md0Us)

440 I whirled around and stuck my finger in his face, yelling "THAT'S A LIE! THAT'S A MOTHERFUCKING LIE! I HAD A JEWISH FRIEND WHO BARELY ESCAPED TOWER TWO ON THAT DAY! (true)." My head was pounding. I was literally seeing red, but I clenched my fists, gritted my teeth, spun on my heel and walked away. He let me go. I think he was as shocked as I was angry, but I've often wondered why he didn't slug me. That would be the natural reaction of an extremely hostile stranger getting right in your face. I finally concluded that it must have been because I was wearing a baby. I went into a nearby department store and just stood shaking through a massive adrenaline dump.
------
Interesting. I think you did the right thing, it sounds like righteous anger. I think the man you spoke to was speaking from his worldview and your words and the accompanying anger may have helped to plant the seed of a different worldview.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at September 12, 2020 12:52 AM (IDhUW)

441
Posted by: Weirddave at September 12, 2020 12:43 AM (c1qZN)
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Giant holes in the ground where buildings once stood and 3,000 people lost their lives, yet, it's the Jooos?

I don't blame you for losing your temper.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at September 12, 2020 12:54 AM (WEBkv)

442 ..
Even the dot mil side isn't immune. LT COL Bearclaw actually thought himself qualified to QC a POTUS phonecon? AYFKM?!

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Gringo fuertemente armado-Si Vis Pacam, Para Bellum) at September 12, 2020 12:51 AM (l7Kbv)

Bearclaw needs to be shot, and then brought up on charges.

In that order.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at September 12, 2020 12:54 AM (QzJWU)

443 (vK+ND)

Wow NKVD as the hash. Needs the Beria treatment. Or the Trotsky. Or maybe both.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 12, 2020 12:55 AM (md0Us)

444 Posted by: Weirddave at September 12, 2020 12:43 AM (c1qZN)
It was a sick, twisted lie that many have unfortunately heard. Another example as to why I judge a man by his actions and not his religion or race. I don't care what your religion is as long as you are square and support the country.

Sorry you went through that but great that you said "enough!"

Posted by: Quint at September 12, 2020 12:55 AM (JCBMS)

445 Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Gringo fuertemente armado-Si Vis Pacam, Para Bellum) at September 12, 2020 12:51 AM (l7Kbv)

The entire system needs to be cleaned out.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at September 12, 2020 12:56 AM (IDhUW)

446 391 aparently Portland, OR antifa is now training Rochester, NY antifa

they had 100 plus night to hone tacticts in PDX
Posted by: will pick a nic latter at September 12, 2020 12:11 AM (GIeIM)

Crossing state lines for the purpose of rioting.

Federal crime. Federal court. Federal prison.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at September 12, 2020 12:56 AM (sy5kK)

447 In a bit of good news, that skank Kathy Griffin can't seem to get work anymore and is forced to sell her home, with an asking price of a cool $16M. Couldn't happen to a nicer ho. The TDS is strong in this one and came back to bite her in her worthless ass.

From The Daily Mail.

https://tinyurl.com/y26rg9ue

Kathy Griffin lists her sprawling Mediterranean-style mansion in Bel-Air for $16million - that comes complete with 8 bedrooms, 12 bathrooms, a home theater and stunning views of the California mountains

Kathy Griffin has put her luxurious Bel-Air estate on the market for $15,995,000.

The 59-year-old comedian is selling the 8-bedroom, 12-bathroom contemporary Mediterranean-style estate that sits behind guarded gates to the A-list enclave.

Just three years Griffin added her personal touch to the 13,377sqft home by building a 'wall' to shield her from her Trump supporter neighbor.

--SNIP--

Cue Nelson Muntz' laugh.

Posted by: RickZ at September 12, 2020 12:57 AM (Y8PSl)

448 I don't know if that's the original crop of the photo but I see our flag's stripes on the left half.

Posted by: ee at September 12, 2020 12:57 AM (jUeH+)

449 450---
...They did not want to see, what they did not want to see.
Even when it MY MEN, in danger....

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 12, 2020 12:41 AM (NgKpN)
--------------------------------
I will never forget the first public statement the army bigwig --- I forget his name --- made after the Nidal Hasan massacre. He hoped this wouldn't hurt efforts at inclusion and diversity.
Good Lord.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at September 12, 2020 12:57 AM (M/9m0)

450 publius.

Ask your Dr. if a standing-seam metal roof might be a cure for shingles?

Or would he tell you you only hurts when he laughs?

/wrygrin

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at September 12, 2020 12:58 AM (QzJWU)

451 I see our troll thinks changing the nic will help avoid the banhammer.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at September 12, 2020 12:58 AM (WEBkv)

452 I kind of hope that he does piss himself, and then runs and win a few states. Just so I could say "Hey remember when you voted for that piss-soaked feeble?"

Posted by: BourbonChicken at September 12, 2020 12:58 AM (LxTcq)

453 12 bathrooms?

What is going on there?

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 12, 2020 12:58 AM (md0Us)

454 Good night everyone

Peace

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at September 12, 2020 01:01 AM (IDhUW)

455

Kathy Griffin was once the Squatty Potty spokesperson -- a shit expert or something. Might explain all the bathrooms.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at September 12, 2020 01:01 AM (rCwaK)

456 >>That picture rips my heart out every time. I only hope hell had an appropriate reception waiting for the Saudi hijackers.

Not to minimize some Saudis involvement with 9/11 but the real cuprite was Iran and Qassem Soleimani. That's what the 9/11 commission reported and almost nobody cover. Iran harbored and supported the 9/11 terrorists and gave them safe passage to and from Afghanistan.

Prior to 9/11 Saudi Arabia called bin Laden a terrorist.

Prior to 9/11 our media called bin Laden a dissident.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 12, 2020 01:03 AM (ZLI7S)

457 Bugger me dead as Zettai says again. I've got the
damned shingles (again). I had my infusion for the RA yesterday, and I
reckon that immune suppression triggered. I noticed a little bump right
under my belly button yesterday evening, and thought it was a fireant
pustule -- it looked like it.

And then just a few minutes ago, I noticed some burning on my
left front above the waistline. Bingo, several blisters, and they have
that burning funny feeling.

It's shingles. Luckily I've got some acyclovir here and have
started it, but only about 6 pills, so I'll have to go to the doc ASAP.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at September 12, 2020 12:51 AM (rCwaK)

sorry for that my man. I hear they are horrible. I hope you get through it well.

i am a bit of an odd duck I guess. I had chicken pox twice. They say you can't get chicken pox twice but i did. Supposedly Chicken Pox is what leads to Shingles later.. I don't know if having Chicken Pox twice cancels it out though I have never had Shingles.

I never broke a major bone either. I bent one, and the doctors were perplexed. I remember as a kid a bunch of docs and assistants looking at me. The bone grew back and never broke. They said it would either break or grow back. I was happy it was the former.

Posted by: Quint at September 12, 2020 01:03 AM (JCBMS)

458 https://tinyurl.com/y69kbcsz

Hallelujah

Morgan James

Posted by: Chin music at September 12, 2020 01:03 AM (NVX+A)

459 Hi Anna and semi,
If you aren't aware of this site it always gives me a chuckle: https://chucknorrisfacts.net/
pseudo pun intended.
-Ted

Posted by: Lurker Ted at September 12, 2020 01:05 AM (/z61n)

460 Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at September 12, 2020 12:51 AM (rCwaK)

sorry to hear you have RA too. My mom had that her entire adult life. It did pretty much all RA can do to a person. You are in my prayers publius. I hope you will be well.

Posted by: Quint at September 12, 2020 01:05 AM (JCBMS)

461 Bugger me dead as Zettai says again. I've got the
damned shingles (again). I had my infusion for the RA yesterday, and I
reckon that immune suppression triggered. I noticed a little bump right
under my belly button yesterday evening, and thought it was a fireant
pustule -- it looked like it.

And then just a few minutes ago, I noticed some burning on my
left front above the waistline. Bingo, several blisters, and they have
that burning funny feeling.

It's shingles. Luckily I've got some acyclovir here and have
started it, but only about 6 pills, so I'll have to go to the doc ASAP.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at September 12, 2020 12:51 AM (rCwaK)

---
wipe them down with vodka several times a day. (not rubbing alcohol)

Resident 3vil got the tip from an Eastern European cow-orker, and it definitely w*rked for her a couple 3 years ago.

just use the cheap stuff, not Val-U-Rite...

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 12, 2020 01:05 AM (ueP5K)

462 That picture rips my heart out every time. I only hope hell had an appropriate reception waiting for the Saudi hijackers.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero)

Google "Hijackers Surprised To Find Selves In Hell". I always read that on this day, as well as mourn the lost. And I always read "All The Heroes Are Dead", which is about Rick Rescorla, who got 3000 Morgan Stanley employees out of one of the towers but was killed when he went back to look for stragglers. You may have seen his picture on the cover of "We Were Soldiers Once, And Young" by Col. Hal Moore. Rescorla was an immigrant whose story is an epic.

Posted by: Sharkman at September 12, 2020 01:06 AM (Qio/u)

463 Story at Variety that Kate Winslet now says she regrets ever working with Woody Allen and Roman Polanski.

The comment section there is full of people saying, gee, why didn't you think of their pasts *before* you worked with 'em, Kate?

(Also, people are divided about Woody's sexual past but almost everyone agrees Polanski is a scumbag.)

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 12, 2020 01:06 AM (L2ZTs)

464 I didn't have the television on that morning. I had a phone message on the machine from my son, telling me they were being evacuated. He worked on the Hill for a representative at the time. I couldn't get his cell, didn't hear from him again until 11:30 pm. My next door neighbors at the time were Air Force, working at the Pentagon. Her office was in the section hit, but they had been moved out for the work being done on that section and hadn't moved back yet. We drove by the Pentagon later that week--seeing it in person it was still unbelievable.

Posted by: Lirio100 at September 12, 2020 01:07 AM (JK7Jw)

465 off to watch
12 Strong

oh and phuck this power vacuum stuff.

The USA shows up blows your ass up and leaves.

If the replacements do the wrong thing we just repeat the blowing up part

continue until we are left in peace.

we were so dumb 20 years ago

Posted by: will pick a nic latter at September 12, 2020 01:07 AM (GIeIM)

466
I've had shingles thanks to the anti-RA drugs several times. This will be the sixth I think. It would usually pop out on my forehead, and this is the first time I've had them on the trunk.

While not pleasant, it's never been too painful for me, but again, I've never had it on the trunk so it might be different.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at September 12, 2020 01:08 AM (rCwaK)

467 My annual 9/11 blog post:

https://tinyurl.com/My911Remembrance

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas at September 12, 2020 01:08 AM (SRRAx)

468 problem is she's an idiot
look what she did in Libya takung out Qaddafi
and look at Benghazi
she can't think 2 steps ahead

Posted by: vmom 2020 - 13 Hours Book Review at September 12, 2020 12:37 AM (nUhF0)

Well, Her Royal Thighness can't walk two steps ahead without assistance, either.

Posted by: RickZ at September 12, 2020 01:09 AM (Y8PSl)

469 Shingles, lemon balm tea with oregano oil, two or three drops per cup. Apple cider vinegar on the blisters. Been there and did it. Still have faint scars, but the procedure works.

Posted by: Stionecutter at September 12, 2020 01:09 AM (IaCeK)

470 off to watch

12 Strong

oh and phuck this power vacuum stuff.

The USA shows up blows your ass up and leaves.

If the replacements do the wrong thing we just repeat the blowing up part

continue until we are left in peace.

we were so dumb 20 years ago

Posted by: will pick a nic latter at September 12, 2020 01:07 AM (GIeIM)

it is the king of the hill strategy. It has its flaws, but I agree with it in this case. We keep blowing you up until you choose a more sane king.

Posted by: Quint at September 12, 2020 01:09 AM (JCBMS)

471 Mostly Peaceful Grognard #309: Thread's getting old, but I'll give it a shot....

Thread won't get old 'til morning. I haven't posted my annual yet. Just cruising through comments. Sometimes quite dusty.

Stunned, like every year, by the Horde remembrances of the day.

New to me tonight: I had not read before that so many on the ground were killed by the falling bodies! Or that the NYFD chaplain was thus killed and one of the first identified. That was a pic of him someone linked to, so I gathered. Somehow, appropriate, for the chaplain to be with the other murdered responders.

Posted by: mindful webworker
They will not win
at September 12, 2020 01:10 AM (U/u2R)

472
It's shingles. Luckily I've got some acyclovir here and have
started it, but only about 6 pills, so I'll have to go to the doc ASAP.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at September 12, 2020 12:51 AM (rCwaK)

---

I've had shingles 3 times, the first when i was 19. Mine occurs on my face from my left eye to my left ear. I have permanent damage in the ear, and constant pain there now. But i'm too young to get the shingles vaccine, since you apparently have to be 60 plus in order for insurance to pay for it.
Although at this point, I don't really think it will do any good.

Doc said that having shingles can cause

Posted by: Moki at September 12, 2020 01:11 AM (+X9Vs)

473 Good evening y'all.......spent the day in the beautiful Black Hills.

Posted by: westminsterdogshow at September 12, 2020 01:14 AM (TVykR)

474 sorry, cat distracted me. shingles can cause poet herpetic neuralgia, which can last for years.

Posted by: Moki at September 12, 2020 01:14 AM (+X9Vs)

475 Good stuff Servo. Thank you.

Posted by: ... at September 12, 2020 01:14 AM (fo0S2)

476 Need to call it a night. I'm dead tired and feeling extraordinarily sad this evening. Fare thee well.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 12, 2020 01:15 AM (NWiLs)

477 Tis time.
On this day above all, remember we are Americans, so you hold that head HIGH and PROUD.

Goodnite, good people. Be safe and sleep well.

Posted by: irongrampa at September 12, 2020 01:16 AM (KATBx)

478
Shingles is caused by the chicken pox virus, herpes zoster. First infection results in chicken pox. But you're never rid of the virus, it just goes dormant in your nerves.

Shingles results when the virus gets reactivated and comes back out play.

Immune suppression is one of the things that can let it get out. And yes, since it's fucking with your nerves, it can do damage, post-herpetic neuralgia it's called I think. And it can be quite severe, especially in the facial nerves.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at September 12, 2020 01:16 AM (rCwaK)

479 I wish I had retained the voice message left on my kitchen phone that morning....it was from a family friend Frank, a WWII vet in his late 80's who fought in the Battle of Kasserine Pass which was the the first outing by the US Army against full on German units (we got our ass handed to us) he was wounded, captured, but rescued by British troops 8 weeks later. Came home with a totally ruined right shoulder but was able to keep his arm. Got work in the movie industry, got married but no kids. His eye sight was going so our fam took him out on regular basis to help him with shopping. So there is the lead up.......

I had worked a mid-shift in the ER the day before, got home around 2 AM and dropped into bed.

Early in the morning...the phone rang and kinda woke me...let it go to the message and then......

Frank...(BEEEEEEP) "RICHARD!!!! RICHARD!!! ...GET YOUR WIFE!!!....GET YOUR KIDS!!!!!!...GET DOWN TO YOUR BASEMENT!!!....THEY'RE BOMBING EVERYTHING!!!!!!(Beeeeeeep).....O_O

got up , replayed the message...then turned on the TV

Posted by: The Nightwatch with Reme at September 12, 2020 01:17 AM (u1WYs)

480 Shingles: Try a spermicide with benzethonium chloride in it. I know it sounds strange. Give it a shot.

Posted by: KT at September 12, 2020 01:18 AM (BVQ+1)

481 You may have seen his picture on the cover of "We Were Soldiers Once, And Young" by Col. Hal Moore. Rescorla was an immigrant whose story is an epic.
Posted by: Sharkman

I read that Rick liked to sing, and was probably singing through his bullhorn, as he urged the people from Morgan Stanley down the stairs.

He was from Cornwall, and probably sang this.

https://tinyurl.com/y6avg84t

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....living on the prison planet at September 12, 2020 01:19 AM (ZCiJZ)

482
Good evening y'all.......spent the day in the beautiful Black Hills.

Posted by: westminsterdogshow at September 12, 2020 01:14 AM (TVykR)

sounds like you spent the day well. I was in the humid streets. Speaking of Black Hill, i recall some ammo guys with that moniker. I wonder if they are sold out as well.

Posted by: Quint at September 12, 2020 01:19 AM (JCBMS)

483 Good night, Insom.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at September 12, 2020 01:19 AM (M/9m0)

484 We COULD design them that way, but there would be no reason to do so, were it not for a murderous death cult and it's adherents.

Fuckers.

Posted by: tcn in AK

Something nobody ever talks about is the somewhat obvious fact (at least to me) that the Muzzie subhumans believed they were going to knock the buildings over sideways by hitting them with the jets.

They were too stupid to understand that skyscrapers aren't built in such a way that they could ever fall sideways.

They were hoping for 50K dead spread over 1100 feet of NYC in both directions from ground zero.

Instead the buildings stood long enough for almost everyone to escape before they pancaked.

Not so smart, are you, inventors of the Zero?

Posted by: Sharkman at September 12, 2020 01:20 AM (Qio/u)

485 The shingles/chicken pox/herpes virui. All suck. Herpes attacked my right eye as an infant. My vision out of that she is almost at the legal definition of blind. In bright light it's worse much worse. Scaring\damaged optic nerve.

Waiver number 1 when I enlisted.

No depth preception. I shoot rifle\shotgun left handed. Pistol I shoot righty cross eye dominant.

Posted by: USNtakim at September 12, 2020 01:22 AM (0OmEj)

486 Bozo:

Witnesses related that Rescorla was indeed singing Men of Harlech during the evacuation. He loved that song and Zulu with Michael Caine (on which it is sung before the final battle) was his favorite movie.

Posted by: Sharkman at September 12, 2020 01:23 AM (Qio/u)

487 You may have seen his picture on the cover of "We
Were Soldiers Once, And Young" by Col. Hal Moore. Rescorla was an
immigrant whose story is an epic.

Posted by: Sharkman

I read that Rick liked to sing, and was probably singing through his
bullhorn, as he urged the people from Morgan Stanley down the stairs.

He was from Cornwall, and probably sang this.

https://tinyurl.com/y6avg84t

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....living on the prison planet at September 12, 2020 01:19 AM (ZCiJZ)

that was a good book. i also read one that included a guy a knew. He became a General and was an all around bad ass.. I went on with one of my first hunts with him and my dad a a long time ago.

Posted by: Quint at September 12, 2020 01:23 AM (JCBMS)

488 ..Need to call it a night. I'm dead tired and feeling extraordinarily sad this evening. Fare thee well.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 12, 2020 01:15 AM (NWiLs)

9/11 is not a day to soak in sadness. It is a day to plot vengeance, coldly.

You live in a target rich environment, too. I.D. the ones with rug-burns on their foreheads, as a start.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at September 12, 2020 01:24 AM (QzJWU)

489 This might be it:

https://preview.tinyurl.com/y2fcvxzq
Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com lives again at September 12, 2020 12:40 AM (SchxB)

Day-AM!!! did you read through that? The one big weakness, of course, is that he's alleging actions that took place in 1988. That's a long long time to reach back, don't see how he can prove anything. BUT the plaintiff, a grown man now, says that Andrew Napolitano used his position as a Family Law Judge to homosexually rape him as a child. DAAAAMMMNNNN.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 12, 2020 01:24 AM (V2Yro)

490 Good evening y'all.......spent the day in the beautiful Black Hills.
Posted by: westminsterdogshow

Are they really black ? Or do they just identify as black ?

Posted by: JT at September 12, 2020 01:25 AM (arJlL)

491 IIRC, the asbestos insulation was being removed and replaced at the time. Small areas at a time. The NIST engineers concluded that one of the key reasons for the eventual structural failure of the Towers was the impact of the aircraft structures physically removing lots of the fireproofing insulation from the steel. Allowing the very hot and persistent jet fuel fires to eventually heat the steel in the impact zones enough to reduce its structural properties.
Posted by: Gref

One of the overlooked causes was the aluminum in the airplanes. Literally tons of aluminum.

Aluminum burns at a much lower temperature than steel, and it is theorized that molten aluminum was dripping down into the building and when combined with water pooling from the fire system sprinklers that were going off , caused explosions that weakened the towers to the point of collapse.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....living on the prison planet at September 12, 2020 01:25 AM (ZCiJZ)

492 by: will pick a nic latter

THAT'S IT !

make your nic "Pic-a Nic PLATTER ! "

Yogi and Boo-Boo would be proud !

Posted by: JT at September 12, 2020 01:27 AM (arJlL)

493 Speaking of Black Hill, i recall some ammo guys with that moniker. I wonder if they are sold out as well.
Posted by: Quint at September 12, 2020 01:19 AM (JCBMS)

their rifle ammo is top notch.

I have seen hits at 2,000 yards in a .300 win mag with Black Hills

not cheap though

Posted by: will pick a nic latter at September 12, 2020 01:28 AM (GIeIM)

494 tcn in AK: ...Yeah, well, as an architect I take an interest in the aftermath discussion. Essentially, the towers were not designed to withstand being hit WITH A DAMNED JET AIRPLANE!!!...

With a full load of fuel for a cross-country flight, besides.

Blasted the insulation right off the beams. And, guess what Rosie, fire melts steel.

Posted by: mindful webworker
They will not win
at September 12, 2020 01:28 AM (U/u2R)

495 Day-AM!!! did you read through that? The one big weakness, of course, is that he's alleging actions that took place in 1988. That's a long long time to reach back, don't see how he can prove anything. BUT the plaintiff, a grown man now, says that Andrew Napolitano used his position as a Family Law Judge to homosexually rape him as a child. DAAAAMMMNNNN.
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 12, 2020 01:24 AM (V2Yro)

Not going anywhere with Beach Friends.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at September 12, 2020 01:28 AM (/Dgcm)

496 Are they really black ? Or do they just identify as black ?
Posted by: JT at September 12, 2020 01:25 AM (arJlL)

the rocks are actually white like Rushmore

Posted by: will pick a nic latter at September 12, 2020 01:29 AM (GIeIM)

497 Black hills matter!

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at September 12, 2020 01:30 AM (M/9m0)

498 the rocks are actually white like Rushmore

Posted by: will pick a nic latter at September 12, 2020 01:29 AM (GIeIM)

So, racist rocks.

Posted by: RickZ at September 12, 2020 01:31 AM (Y8PSl)

499 Posted by: Tom Servo at September 12, 2020 01:24 AM (V2Yro)

Not going anywhere with Beach Friends.
Posted by: Burnt Toast

Good Beach Friends provide an umbrella.

Posted by: Mikloa a la playa at September 12, 2020 01:31 AM (QzkSJ)

500 If i could choose a new nic it would be "they couldn't make that today" it is my most hated term and the term that defines the world we live in. If someone wants to take it, go ahead.

Posted by: Quint at September 12, 2020 01:32 AM (JCBMS)

501 If i could choose a new nic it would be "they couldn't make that today" it is my most hated term and the term that defines the world we live in. If someone wants to take it, go ahead.
Posted by: Quint

So, ya think Sam Kinison was murdered ?

Posted by: JT at September 12, 2020 01:35 AM (arJlL)

502 ok, settled down from the start of 12 Strong, now off to see some first rate stomping

to repeat power vacuums only are in pointy heads.

if we blew you up once, the next time will be even easire

D. Rumsfield c. 2001
we are not running out of targets, they are running out of stuff we can bomb

Posted by: will pick a nic latter at September 12, 2020 01:37 AM (GIeIM)

503 Margarita......I can get you a tshirt with that on it

It's still my birthday for another 20 minutes

Posted by: westminsterdogshow at September 12, 2020 01:37 AM (TVykR)

504 We lived just outside of the beltway in Annandale, VA in 2001.
I was on a business trip.
My wife was sitting in the living room reading with all the windows open because it was a beautiful cloudless morning.
She heard a faint rumble and thought it was thunder. Turns out it came from the Pentagon.
She says she'll never forget it.

Posted by: That guy at September 12, 2020 01:38 AM (jYQlA)

505 So, ya think Sam Kinison was murdered ?

Posted by: JT at September 12, 2020 01:35 AM (arJlL)

i don't know about that but I doubt it. I thought I came up with this myself.

Posted by: Quint at September 12, 2020 01:38 AM (JCBMS)

506 I was in Crystal City (CM-1) working as a patent examiner. A shaking coworker came in and told me there was smoke by the Pentagon. I went to a northern window and saw the plume of black smoke. "That's a BIG Bravo fire."

Another coworker said the twin towers have been hit. Even I couldn't quite wrap my head around enemy action for a few seconds.
I then heard twin sonic booms and just knew it was the alert-15 F-15s from Langley. I calmed down some of the more shaken coworkers. I told one woman that the State Department was not hit when she passed on one of the many rumors. "See, look at it. No smoke."

I went back to work for a while when we were told to evacuate. It didn't make much sense for me to go into a street where all the glass would fall down on us. I got some more work done until the computers were turned off.

Leaving the building I saw and smelled burned paper falling from the northern sky. I saw everyone on edge, and a pedestrian hit by a fleeing car. The roads filled up fast.

Someone told me the towers had fallen and all I could think about was "that's 70,000 dead". A nuke hit. [I was so relieved that an excellent design, sound construction by good workers, responsive citizens, and heroes in the building prevented more deaths.]

I walked two miles south to where a friend (now wife) worked. I was going against the flow of evacuees from National Airport. Broad streams of refugees with wheeled luggage in tow were heading north. I thought "Like France in 1940." I wondered if I could get back into the Navy. [No.]

I arrived 5 minutes too late to shepherd my friend (who was stuck in traffic for six hours) and walked back to the Underground for an early lunch. I talked with two women whose husbands were in the 101st Airborne. We agreed that there was a possibility their husbands were going to be deployed soon.
I took the Metro to West Falls Church, a bus to the Whiele Park and Ride for free, and got home in Reston 3 hours after the attack. I had to wait for my friend to get to her home before I saw any TV images, (24 years of no TV at that time).

I notified family and friends I was safe by e-mail, and resolved to give blood the next day.

My across-the-street neighbor Norma Khan was on the plane that hit the Pentagon, and I knew two of the Navy personnel killed. I attended the local memorial services in the Reston Community Center for Norma, and tried to comfort her orphaned 12-year-old son.

My commute took me past the Pentagon every day. One of my HOA board members had a bad neck cut from getting two people out of the Pentagon, and I noticed a few new Navy and Marine Corps Medal ribbons on other bus riders. I saw the Humvee with a SAW by the road north of the Pentagon, and reflected on the misery some poor platoon had to endure.

9/11 changed my life.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 12, 2020 01:39 AM (hyuyC)

507 We lived just outside of the beltway in Annandale, VA in 2001.

I was on a business trip.

My wife was sitting in the living room reading with all the windows open because it was a beautiful cloudless morning.

She heard a faint rumble and thought it was thunder. Turns out it came from the Pentagon.

She says she'll never forget it.

Posted by: That guy at September 12, 2020 01:38 AM (jYQlA)

it was a bad day. I saw the smoke coming from the Pentagon.

Posted by: Quint at September 12, 2020 01:40 AM (JCBMS)

508 Funny coda to the story, my in-laws, who didn't know me that well at this point, saw me out of the blue suddenly violently verbally attack a stranger - at ground zero(!) - and then stalk away. They hadn't heard the comment, they thought Gingy had married a madman. It wasn't until she explained it to them later (after learning from me what happened) that they understood.
Posted by: Weirddave at September 12, 2020 12:43

Thanks for adding that funny bit, made me chuckle on a serious day and ONT. For which I and many others TY for your work.

Posted by: Farmer at September 12, 2020 01:42 AM (LthQw)

509 Salty.....Such an amazing story!

Posted by: westminsterdogshow at September 12, 2020 01:42 AM (TVykR)

510 I can't do this ONT. No silly Miklos.

I still remember very clearly where I was and how I learned about 9/11.

It was after my lunch break in Budapest. BBC announced "a plane has crashed into the World Trade Center."

Top of the hour news, nothing.

I figured that some idiot with a Cessna, probably named Kennedy, had done stupidity.

Visualized the picture of a bomber that ran into the Empire State Building during WWII.

My wonderful students cancelled my lessons for me, because I could not speak.

Posted by: Miklos at September 12, 2020 01:42 AM (QzkSJ)

511 Margarita......I can get you a tshirt with that on it

It's still my birthday for another 20 minutes
Posted by: westminsterdogshow

Happy Birthday WDS !

Or belated birthday now.

Posted by: JT at September 12, 2020 01:44 AM (arJlL)

512 Miklos..I understand

Posted by: westminsterdogshow at September 12, 2020 01:45 AM (TVykR)

513 Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 12, 2020 01:39 AM (hyuyC)
I can see that. The was beyond descriptive. A sad anniversary but let us never forget.

Posted by: Quint at September 12, 2020 01:46 AM (JCBMS)

514 Thanks JT! Still my birthday here

Posted by: westminsterdogshow at September 12, 2020 01:46 AM (TVykR)

515 Miklos

That is a good and heartwarming story.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 12, 2020 01:46 AM (hyuyC)

516 westminsterdogshow

My gift to you is me not singing.
Are you doing better now? I see you posting more.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 12, 2020 01:48 AM (hyuyC)

517 Quint

My students are tired of the story.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 12, 2020 01:48 AM (hyuyC)

518 Cobs: time to shitcan vK+ND. It's socking regulars now.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 12, 2020 01:50 AM (sHrOT)

519 So now,

We are dealing with a looming civil war. BLM, ANTIFA, mobs in our streets burning and looting.

The fires in Oregon are a new tactic as are the the fires in Washington State and Commiefornia.

SJW and ilk....painting a virtual target on themselves?

we should oblige.........

Posted by: The Nightwatch with Reme at September 12, 2020 01:51 AM (u1WYs)

520 NaClyDog.

I'm pouring you moar bourbon at the TX Mo Meet.

Hope you'll be there to enjoy it.

..So, ya think Sam Kinison was murdered ?

Posted by: JT at September 12, 2020 01:35 AM (arJlL)

i don't know about that but I doubt it. I thought I came up with this myself.

Posted by: Quint at September 12, 2020 01:38 AM (JCBMS)

I was only one intersection away from when and where Mr. Kinison passed. Didn't see a thing.

Given that the next intersection to the West there in Nevada, was about a 30 mile stretch.

But timewise. On. The. Dot.

I'll count my blessings. Could've been me in the wreck. I had missed my exit from the freeway to the "feeder" to Las Vegas, and was working my way back to Zero.

One of many epic, caffeine fueled, too ambitious motorcycle tours.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at September 12, 2020 01:51 AM (QzJWU)

521 Thanks JT! Still my birthday here
Posted by: westminsterdogshow

Happy Birthday, ugh
Happy Birthday, ugh

Radiations in the air,
Population in despair,

Happy Birthday ...

** sung to the tune of The Volga Boatman

Posted by: Adriane the Accounting Tricks Newbie Critic ... at September 12, 2020 01:53 AM (LPnfS)

522 NaClyDog.

I'm pouring you moar bourbon at the TX Mo Meet.

Hope you'll be there to enjoy it.

..So, ya think Sam Kinison was murdered ?

Posted by: JT at September 12, 2020 01:35 AM (arJlL)

i don't know about that but I doubt it. I thought I came up with this myself.

Posted by: Quint at September 12, 2020 01:38 AM (JCBMS)

I was only one intersection away from when and where Mr. Kinison passed. Didn't see a thing.

Given that the next intersection to the West there in Nevada, was about a 30 mile stretch.

But timewise. On. The. Dot.

I'll count my blessings. Could've been me in the wreck. I had
missed my exit from the freeway to the "feeder" to Las Vegas, and was
working my way back to Zero.

One of many epic, caffeine fueled, too ambitious motorcycle tours.

Jim

Sunk New Dawn

Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at September 12, 2020 01:51 AM (QzJWU)

now i am going to have to look that up. I guess I was dumb to think it was heart related like some others. I didn't know how he died to be frank.

Posted by: Quint at September 12, 2020 01:54 AM (JCBMS)

523 Jim
Sunk New Dawn

I'll be there. No need for your good stuff. I got an unopened bottle of Everclear from last year.

But at the MoMeet, I do not need alcohol to overcome my shyness.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 12, 2020 01:55 AM (hyuyC)

524 Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at September 12, 2020 12:51

Sorry about the RA. I'm in a weird spot. My ortho hand guy tested me for RA, it came back negative. Yet next time he referred me to a rhuemeo guy. He gave me Colihichine. Have you taken that?

Posted by: Farmer at September 12, 2020 01:55 AM (LthQw)

525 WMDS.

Happy Birfday, 'Ette!

So say we one, so say we all!

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at September 12, 2020 01:56 AM (QzJWU)

526 Rosie O Donnell

she in rehab again...10th time is a charm for the Hollywood freaks....

Hey Mr. Hanks....."little boys on the golf carts eh"

Posted by: The Nightwatch with Reme at September 12, 2020 01:57 AM (u1WYs)

527 468
The planes scrambled that day were two UNARMED F-15s. Both Air National Guard.

You see the Cold War was over so aircraft on 24 hour alert were not needed. Neither was Air Defense Command.

From memory the pilots decided ramming was a good option.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 12, 2020 12:52 AM (md0Us)
Anna, you are normally spot on, and I'm alawys amazed at your knowledge.But, the jets were F-16's. One of the pilots that day was Heather "Lucky" Penney. I met her at Reno Air Races after 9/11 by a few years on. Her father, John Penney, was a long time air racer, Rare Bear, among them.Yes, they were gonna ram the Flight 93 jet. Her commander was gonna take out the cockpit, and he told Heather to take out the rudder.

Posted by: Jimmy Doolittle at September 12, 2020 01:57 AM (4k6ZN)

528 Thanks JT! Still my birthday here
Posted by: westminsterdogshow at September 12, 2020 01:46 AM (TVykR)

Happy Birthday to you, Westie! May there be many more!

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 12, 2020 01:58 AM (sHrOT)

529 If there's an October Surprise pool, I want to place my entry.

Charges are brought against everyone who had sex with a minor at Epstein's place. The charges need not be for having sex with a minor at Epstein's place. Instead, they could include kidnapping, extortion, child pornography, money laundering, tax evasion, fraud, influence peddling, wire fraud, mail fraud, and the Big Umbrella of them all -- conspiracy to commit kidnapping, extortion, child pornography, money laundering, tax evasion, fraud, influence peddling, wire fraud, and mail fraud.

The only way it doesn't end badly for those who joined Jeff Epstein's Pedos' Temple, whether they drink the Kool Aid or suffer the consequences in this world, is for the Pedos' Temple to control all the governments that could hold them accountable. They have not done that yet.

Posted by: SFGoth at September 12, 2020 01:58 AM (KAi1n)

530 But he be GREEK now ....so cool right?

Posted by: The Nightwatch with Reme at September 12, 2020 01:58 AM (u1WYs)

531 Jim

Wow. Glad you survived. I get how freeing a motorcycle is, but all the money saved goes into hospital bills at some point.

The guy I trained witn on my last job in Manhattan died two months ago from a motorcycle accident that was not his fault. He was a Patriot Guard, and aquared away. Sad.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 12, 2020 01:59 AM (hyuyC)

532 Midnight here. Time for me to get some shuteye. Night, Horde.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 12, 2020 02:01 AM (sHrOT)

533 Good night Al

Posted by: The Nightwatch with Reme at September 12, 2020 02:01 AM (u1WYs)

534 I can't do this ONT. No silly Miklos.

Posted by: Miklos

You are an honored guest here, no matter your mood ...

Posted by: Adriane the Accounting Tricks Newbie Critic ... at September 12, 2020 02:02 AM (LPnfS)

535 Drinks on the house.......

I'm buying

Posted by: The Nightwatch with Reme at September 12, 2020 02:03 AM (u1WYs)

536 Happy Birthday WDS! Goodnight to all on this very sentimental day. I will bever forget.

Posted by: Debby Doberman Schultz at September 12, 2020 02:03 AM (a4EWo)

537 ..Posted by: Jimmy Doolittle at September 12, 2020 01:57 AM (4k6ZN)

This man speaks the unencumbered truth. I have witnessed Ms. Penny's extensive recounting of this on the History Channel, and General Doolittle has nailed her account in perfect detail.

I would go to WAR under Ms. Penny, in command.

Into hell, buckets of gasoline, some assembly required.

SHE is a badass of the First Order.

Hell.

She is hereby promoted beyond 'ette to MORON.

You may all now burn me at the stake, but my judgment STANDS.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at September 12, 2020 02:03 AM (QzJWU)

538 Anna Puma

The unarmed planes were from the DC AFNG. The Secret Service guy to the left of Cheney in the underground hallway called the CO of the unit and got him to launch. Bypassed the entire chain of command. Pre-arranged and planned, just not talked about.

The two Langley F-15s on alert 15 launched in 7 minutes. Great work by ground crew and pilots.
But the initial vector was 090 as an anti-cruise missile sweep to protect Naval Base Norfolk.

When they got that straightened out, they went supersonic to DC. They were armed, but not clued in.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 12, 2020 02:05 AM (hyuyC)

539 "Giant holes in the ground where buildings once stood and 3,000 people lost their lives"

It is hard to stand at the Ground Zero monument, try to look down the infinite holes, and not be filled with white hot rage.

The cigar fucker could have done the right thing, but was evidently too busy to do fuck-all for his country. But hey, let's continue to treat Democrats like they're not the GD America-hating terrorists they are.

Posted by: Drink Like Vikings at September 12, 2020 02:05 AM (w9rSF)

540 Sad day, besides the obvious...had a light aircraft with 2 aboard augur in a block away from my office today. That we are that close to a general aviation airport means .....this shit will happen from time to time....still on this day of all days.

Prayers to the 2 lost souls.

Posted by: The Nightwatch with Reme at September 12, 2020 02:08 AM (u1WYs)

541 Never!

Posted by: Debby Doberman Schultz at September 12, 2020 02:10 AM (a4EWo)

542 Posted by: Miklos at September 12, 2020 01:42 AM (QzkSJ)

Thank you for sharing that.

damn wildfire smoke is inside the house now.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at September 12, 2020 02:10 AM (sy5kK)

543 Happy Birthday, WDS!

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas at September 12, 2020 02:11 AM (SRRAx)

544 ..Wow. Glad you survived. I get how freeing a motorcycle is, but all the money saved goes into hospital bills at some point.

The guy I trained witn on my last job in Manhattan died two months ago from a motorcycle accident that was not his fault. He was a Patriot Guard, and aquared away. Sad.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 12, 2020 01:59 AM (hyuyC)

Thanks. My left ankle is secured by five stainless deck screws, and some Elmer's that Biden somehow missed.

And three of the guys I with whom I went through the AACOG Law Enforcement Academy Class, are now mort. Motorcycle wrecks On Duty.

I did a lot of that, and even MORE, "off the clock". Escorting oversize loads between Texas cities, early '80s.

Made huge money. But alas, the Texas Department of Public Safety (Texas Highway Patrol) said No Mas! to this 'round about '83. A particular Wine Mom in Austin, TX, slammed on the brakes because she thought the Motorcycle Cop was pulling her over.

And she was tootpasted by the 36 wheeled rig carrying a 275,000 lb pre-stressed concrete beam, which followed said motorcycle cop.

Now, the 'bike cops have to be local jurisdiction ONLY. Between cities is "Pilot Cars", of all descriptions.

I have war stories of the Motorcycle Years though. Oh yes, yes, I do.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at September 12, 2020 02:12 AM (QzJWU)

545 You are an honored guest here, no matter your mood ...
Posted by: Adriane the Accounting Tricks Newbie

Well.

I might add this-

The original creator of that show The Sopranos was previously, and subsequently, a bond trader in New York.

Based on an Original Concept by Dom (spelled like a girl's name, but quite the Ladies' Man).

I was told he was dead.

Didn't and didn't want to believe it.

So kept calling his cell number.

After three days, he answered.

"I can't believe the cell works"

"Dom, it works. Where have you been?"

"Digging. I had a lot of friends up there. I've just been digging."

I think he meant Kantor Fitzgerald.

Posted by: Miklos at September 12, 2020 02:12 AM (QzkSJ)

546 Time to get some sleep.

Have a great night, everyone.

We can remember, but happiness is a better solvent for sadness.

And a shoutout to the ultimate peacekeepers, the crews in ballistic missile submarines, the launch crews of Minuteman III, and the maintainers and communications personnel.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 12, 2020 02:12 AM (hyuyC)

547 Always able to throw out Birthday wishes to those of the Horde

with many happy returns...

Posted by: The Nightwatch with Reme at September 12, 2020 02:14 AM (u1WYs)

548 546

WORD!

Sleep the sleep of Kings.

Posted by: The Nightwatch with Reme at September 12, 2020 02:16 AM (u1WYs)

549 WMDS.
Happy Birfday, 'Ette!
So say we one, so say we all!
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at September 12, 2020 01:56

Seconded, Happy Happy Day!

WDS is truly a sweetheart.

Posted by: Farmer at September 12, 2020 02:18 AM (LthQw)

550 I was laying in bed deciding whether I wanted to stay there a few more minutes (I did) when the sonorous voice of Lee Rodgers came on the air and said that a plane had hit the tower. I assumed it was an ultralight kind of thing -- certainly not a good outcome for anyone, but me jumping out of bed wouldn't accomplish anything. Then he announced that a second plane had hit the towers. I was up! This wasn't a knucklehead in an ultralight misjudging his route. I turned on something called a television and saw what happened. Later, at work, I was watching when a reporter was talking to a firefighter, might've been an older guy, and he said that they had to go in there and do what they could for people. That was their job. It was kind of chilling. I don't know how much later the tower fell.

My father, who lived just inside the Beltway, told me that he heard what he later learned was the Pentagon getting hit 9 miles away. It's almost as if we've forgotten that another building was hit and people there killed too. A lot of those were civilians, if that matters. I visited the World Trade Center a year before 9/11. It was pretty cool. But I grew up 9 miles from the Pentagon and my father's workplace was bombed by the same crowd cheering on, today, the terrorists of 9/11 (so I'm sensitive to sneak terror bombings).

Posted by: SFGoth at September 12, 2020 02:18 AM (KAi1n)

551 Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas at September 12, 2020 02:11 AM (SRRAx)

Beautiful post Teresa.

Posted by: ... at September 12, 2020 02:23 AM (fo0S2)

552 ..Posted by: SFGoth at September 12, 2020 02:18 AM (KAi1n)

You should have 'cam privileges to when the Spec Ops types are doing their thing to take out the trash.

Would save thousands in "therapy" fees, etc.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at September 12, 2020 02:26 AM (QzJWU)

553 Well, hell.

I'm to the snoozer, y'all.

Hasta la nite nite, Horde!

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at September 12, 2020 02:35 AM (QzJWU)

554 For the simple fact that Osama Bin got "TAKIN OUT" on the Obama Berry watch.....

makes me think he actually chilling in a 2300 sqft. apartment in Dubai....with Netflix......

Posted by: The Nightwatch with Reme at September 12, 2020 02:42 AM (u1WYs)

555 Boatlift:
https://www.youtube.com
/watch?v=18lsxFcDrjo

if you have never seen it, a short film about the civilian evacuation of Manhattan ...

Posted by: Adriane the Accounting Tricks Newbie Critic ... at September 12, 2020 02:52 AM (LPnfS)

556 makes me think he actually chilling in a 2300 sqft. apartment in Dubai....with Netflix......
Posted by: The Nightwatch with Reme

Well ... I think the untreated diabetes would have taken him out eventually, and painfully ...

Posted by: Adriane the Accounting Tricks Newbie Critic ... at September 12, 2020 02:53 AM (LPnfS)

557 Well....time to repose horizontal, but before I go...

Prayers up to the people of Oregon...if this turns out to be intentional by the frogs of the Left, hunting season with no bag limit....no calling 911...and no mercy....drop em where you find em. Let the local wildlife clean em up.

Time to punch on the HARD stone..

Posted by: The Nightwatch with Reme at September 12, 2020 02:55 AM (u1WYs)

558 no slumber for me but slumber for you

nightwatch

Posted by: The Nightwatch with Reme at September 12, 2020 02:58 AM (u1WYs)

559 Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas at September 12, 2020 01:08 AM (SRRAx)

My memory was a little different. My husband called and told me "They bombed the WTC ..." and I started arguing with him. "No, they caught that guy, remember. He's in jail."

I remember reading that one of the reasons Rick Rescorla kept everybody trained and rehearsed was his belief that after 1993, they would try again.

Anyway, thanks for the link to your post.

Take care.

Posted by: Adriane the Accounting Tricks Newbie Critic ... at September 12, 2020 03:06 AM (LPnfS)

560 Two Otis ANG F-15s arrived over NYC responding to the reported hijacking of American Flight 11 to see the second jet impact the World Trade Center. When AFIO is declared they bust into NYC air space. They spend the morning intercepting planes and helicopters. They even do aerial refuels over the city from a Bangor Maine KC-135. Only now are the pilots asked over the radio if they have a problem with shooting down a hijacked plane. Duff thinks if he does, he's in the wrong seat.

119th Fighter Wing ANG detachment, Langley with two F-16s on alert. Only two pilots plus Ops officer. All three men are ordered up in F-16s, the Ops officer's Viper is only armed with 20 mike mike for the M-61 while the other two have missiles. These guys are the first to try and defend DC from the plane that will hit the Pentagon. But first they are sent over the ocean before NEADS declares AFIO over DC and redirects them after American Flt 77. Quit flight is vectored over the White House after a bogey that turns out to be helicopters, one of the F-16s almost flies into the Washington Monument while trying to assess the threat.

The 121st Fighter Squadron, DCANG has three birds over North Caroline out of radio range. 15 planes with 4 pilots are on base. And the only live rounds are the war reserve ones. Finally the White House JOC calls them up but it will take time to get those missiles on the planes. The planes from NC arrive over DC to see smoke billowing from the Pentagon and bingo fuel because they were told 'buster' so have to decline an intercept on United Flt 93. Then the White House orders them to set up a 20 mile perimeter around DC and if any plane ignores any means are authorized. Bully 1 from NC is ordered back aloft after just landing. He only has 150 practice rounds and is vectored towards United Flt 93 thinking he must get close to shoot an engine and then cockpit. But United Flt 93 has already crashed.

Touching History: The Untold Story of the Drama that Unfolded in the Skies over America on 9/11.

Lynn Spencer.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 12, 2020 03:07 AM (md0Us)

561 Looks like the Make Believe Media is going with "our lies are more virtuous than yours"! I'm predicting that this October is going to be the wildest lead up to a presidential election evah!

Posted by: Unkaren at September 12, 2020 03:11 AM (vGJY7)

562 552 ..Posted by: SFGoth at September 12, 2020 02:18 AM (KAi1n)

You should have 'cam privileges to when the Spec Ops types are doing their thing to take out the trash.

Would save thousands in "therapy" fees, etc.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at September 12, 2020 02:26 AM (QzJWU)

Actually? uh, no.

Those of use who have seen shitty things done to protect others, know the price we have paid to do so.

I don't want others to have to pay that price as well.

There is a darkness in myself, that I would never want anyone else to have to deal with.

I will admit, I am disgusted, by the fact, that most of our civilian population have NO IDEA, what I speak of.

Hell, my Father did not speak of his WW2 and Korea experiences, until I had been in combat myself. Would not open up until I had some understanding of what he had gone through.

It was not until years later, after being called a LIAR on my own true experiences, that I understood his viewpoint.

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 12, 2020 03:22 AM (NgKpN)

563 Looks like this thread is dead for the moment.

I'm off to a nap, maybe will check in later.

Posted by: Farmer at September 12, 2020 03:46 AM (LthQw)

564 Bully-1 does a fast 150ft altitude pass over the Pentagon followed by an orbit of the building. Those on the ground feel their spirits lift seeing an F-16 overhead.

Time is of the essence, the 121st can no longer wait for the missiles. LTC Sasseville orders two planes to launch with only the cannon armed. It will be him and his wingman, Lt. Heather "Lucky" Penney Garcia. Sasseville tells her to just follow him as all the usual rules and waits are tossed out the window to get planes aloft. So hasty that "Lucky" asks if the pins are pulled, ground crew are running alongside her taxing F-16 pulling pins to arm her gun and free the flight controls.

Next pair of 121st pilots are Rasmussen and Razin, they are told they will be weapons free by Col. Dave Wherley. "You are the Captial Guardians and YOU are in charge of this CAP!"

Next two Otis ANG F-15s launch Winchester. They are not armed. It is Joe "Rosey" McGrady of this flight who contemplates ramming. He spends most of the flight screaming in rage inside his mask at the lives lost and the evil done. He is still screaming and praying the Rosary when they intercept their bogey, it is a KC-10 dragging four A-10s across the Atlantic.

Bully-1, Hutchinson, is still talking to Washington Approach Control while Sass and Lucky are four miles overhead. Eckmann from the 119th is ordered to ID a bogey, it is Hutchinson. Bully-1 manages to land back at Andrews with less than 400lbs of fuel.

The 119th F-16s are ADF Vipers which means they can query other plane's IFF; they are also armed with 20mm, AIM-120s, AIM-7s, and AIM-9s. 121st F-16s are not ADF Vipers. And both units are talking to different controllers, 119th is tied into NEADS while the 121st is talking to Reagan. Eventually things are sorted out with the 119th taking the high CAP and 121st taking the low CAP over DC.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 12, 2020 03:50 AM (md0Us)

565 After this somber evening of remembrance here, I drifted off and was surfing various stuff on the web.

5 years ago, I moved from the 8th WA US District to the 9th District (actually where I moved was gerrymandered by the state Democrats, it should still be the 8th) and since Adam Smith (Traitor - China) is the 4th senior US Demo Rep and represents the 9th here, I have given up on federal politics.

But then, surfing the Democrat Newsletter of Puget Sound, aka The Seattle Times, and realized I should quit whining and do something.

So I am. I used to live in the 8th District, and I am asking every Moron to help Jesse Jensen. Like Alek Skarlotos in the OR 4th, he is a young vet who is also a family man.

Who is Jesse Jensen?
from the Seattle Times, Oct 1 2019 (the first article I can find about him from the local press):

A senior program manager at Amazon since 2018, Jensen previously worked for Microsoft. He has not previously sought political office, but was an aide to Republican Sen. John Thune of South Dakota in the mid-2000s. Jensen spent seven years in the U.S. Army starting in 2007, including deployments as a platoon leader in Afghanistan.

In an interview last week, Jensen said he was motivated to run for office after hearing stories of inadequate medical care by the Veteran's Administration and of suicides by combat veterans with whom he'd served.

Jensen has been lining up support and endorsements for months from local and national Republicans. He argued Schrier's voting record in Congress is too liberal for the 8th District, calling her a "rubber stamp" for House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

Here is Jesse Jenson's website:

https://www.jessejensen2020.com/

So now that the solemn national day of respect has passed here on the Left coast, instead of feeling crappy, I choose to fight.

The WA 8th district has historically been Repub. Dave Reichert held it until Dr Kim Schrier, Leftist Issaquah Doctor and Wine Mom friend, took it in 2018. She got only 43% of the primary vote last month. Schrier is a Nancy Pelosi lemming and beatable.

This is doable, and I am going to help. Help elect two fine American Citizens, Jesse Jensen in WA-8, and Alek Skarlotos, OR-4.

And I am asking each and every one of you to help. Jesse and Alek will both undercut Nancy Pelosi's control of the House. From behind enemy, Blue State lines, no less.

President Trump needs Nancy to go, and electing Jesse and Alek will make President Trump very, very happy.

Please consider donating a few bucks, or more, to Jesse. And if your generosity is still a go, here is Alek Skarlotos website:

https://www.alekfororegon.com/

Unlike !Jeb, I won't ask you to clap, however.

Morons DO have standards.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at September 12, 2020 03:57 AM (sy5kK)

566 taking the low CAP over DC.
Posted by: Anna Puma

There are actual experts.

Posted by: Miklos at September 12, 2020 03:58 AM (QzkSJ)

567 557 Well....time to repose horizontal, but before I go...

Prayers up to the people of Oregon...if this turns out to be intentional by the frogs of the Left, hunting season with no bag limit....no calling 911...and no mercy....drop em where you find em. Let the local wildlife clean em up.

Time to punch on the HARD stone..

Posted by: The Nightwatch with Reme at September 12, 2020 02:55 AM (u1WYs)

Shovels.

Never forget your shovel.

S, S, S.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at September 12, 2020 04:01 AM (sy5kK)

568 Tried to get here but kept getting to downstairs thread, had a panic comments were cut off.

Posted by: Skip at September 12, 2020 04:04 AM (OjZpE)

569 Saw a memorial yesterday one fireman at leastwas killed by a jumper, very sad all around.

Posted by: Skip at September 12, 2020 04:06 AM (OjZpE)

570 Something sobering to ponder.

On Sept 7th, 2001, the Secretary of the Air Force and the Air Force Chief of Staff had decided to withdraw all funding for continental air defense.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 12, 2020 04:08 AM (md0Us)

571 That the government was vacuum cleaner of photos taken shouldn't have happened.

Posted by: Skip at September 12, 2020 04:08 AM (OjZpE)

572 571 That the government was vacuum cleaner of photos taken shouldn't have happened.
Posted by: Skip at September 12, 2020 04:08 AM (OjZpE)

The fed gov got practice with the Kennedy assassination material.

What "man on the grassy knoll?"

Prove it.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at September 12, 2020 04:11 AM (sy5kK)

573 Can't sleep, don't feel like getting up

Posted by: Skip at September 12, 2020 04:38 AM (OjZpE)

574 573 Can't sleep, don't feel like getting up
Posted by: Skip at September 12, 2020 04:38 AM (OjZpE)

Skip, are you lying in bed with a laptop?

Roll over and go back to sleep, and you can thank me later, unless you have to work on Saturdays. In that case, sorry.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at September 12, 2020 04:49 AM (sy5kK)

575 Can't sleep, don't feel like getting up
Posted by: Skip

But the Scotch Eggs are whispering in your ear "Make me, Make MeeeeEEEEEEEE"

Posted by: JT at September 12, 2020 04:50 AM (arJlL)

576 Posted by: Skip at September 12, 2020 04:38

I've got to get sleep, work tomorrow.

What's for breakfast Skip? I'm having Jelly Belly Buttered popcorn. Well, maybe that's my late night snack since I'm going to bed.

Leftover fried chicken leg is on the agenda for when I wake.

Posted by: Farmer at September 12, 2020 04:52 AM (LthQw)

577
Unfortunately a lot of people forgot and elected a muzzie loving slug
pres,, twice. He then brought in boatloads of muzzies to swing districts
in Michigan and Minnesota which put two of the worst muzzies in congress...
so some people did something...........

Posted by: beanervt at September 12, 2020 04:54 AM (pyQkH)

578
"Leftover fried chicken leg"
Hey Farmer,,, I had leftover chicken breast ,, 'cause i'm not a leg man....

Posted by: beanervt at September 12, 2020 04:57 AM (pyQkH)

579 Posted by: beanervt at September 12, 2020 04:54 AM (pyQkH)

correct.

and here we are.

now, what next?

Jesse Jensen for Congress, 8th US WA, of course!

https://www.jessejensen2020.com/

(fair warning, morons. I'm not going to give this up until Nov 3)

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at September 12, 2020 04:58 AM (sy5kK)

580 Do you think the little vietnamese girl that was napalmed running down the road will ever forget? Do you think the women and children who have died in bombing raids and drone strikes will ever forget? Or the women and children tortured and killed in central america by the puppet regimes ameriKKKa installed their?

Posted by: raimondo at September 12, 2020 05:03 AM (RRWSl)

581
Hey Dawg,, that's the ticket,, run more real GOP'er's even against

the RINO's.. we have 54 women running on a conservative platform
in VT and I'll be supporting them to get rid of the communist infestation
here... Think Local

Posted by: beanervt at September 12, 2020 05:05 AM (pyQkH)

582 Got up to look outside as the ISS is going over right now but too cloudy.
I have blueberries and sausages, so pancakes are in order

Posted by: Skip at September 12, 2020 05:05 AM (OjZpE)

583 Posted by: raimondo at September 12, 2020 05:03 AM (RRWSl)

5:03 am, EDT. Saturday.

you can smell the desperation.

over the Internet.

enjoy it. savor it.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at September 12, 2020 05:06 AM (sy5kK)

584 Posted by: beanervt at September 12, 2020 05:05 AM (pyQkH)

simply awesome, beanervt.

awesome.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at September 12, 2020 05:08 AM (sy5kK)

585
And really, the new ones running for office aren't really politicians. They are American Citizens.

That is something to be proud of, no matter what Progda says.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at September 12, 2020 05:11 AM (sy5kK)

586
"Do you think the little vietnamese girl"

What's that got to do with anything dumbass... if you had half a brain you'd
be dangerous.... it was the S. Vietnamese that dropped the napalm you ignorant dipshit.
I suppose all the Vietnamese tortured by the NVA won't forget either...fucknuts

Posted by: beanervt at September 12, 2020 05:12 AM (pyQkH)

587 ok, 3 post rule.

Yeah, I'm drunk on the Left Coast.

I wasn't aware that was a problem.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at September 12, 2020 05:13 AM (sy5kK)

588 586
"Do you think the little vietnamese girl"

What's that got to do with anything dumbass... if you had half a brain you'd
be dangerous.... it was the S. Vietnamese that dropped the napalm you ignorant dipshit.
I suppose all the Vietnamese tortured by the NVA won't forget either...fucknuts
Posted by: beanervt at September 12, 2020 05:12 AM (pyQkH)

"Cuties, baby!"

11 year old porn stars.

Brought to you by Democrat supporters and their leaders.

*spit*

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at September 12, 2020 05:15 AM (sy5kK)

589 580 been a few years but that Vietnamese girl is grown up, alive and well.

Posted by: Skip at September 12, 2020 05:16 AM (OjZpE)

590
Yeah Dawg,,, It's good to see a lot of Veterans getting into the fray
as well.. hopefully these mostly peaceful riots will change a lot of
peoples voting habits.. a poll done in Org about the mostly peaceful
riot had 56 percent saying mostly violent 36 percent brain dead ijits
said mostly peaceful and 7 didn't know (spaced out totally on drugs)
that's a good indicator in a leftist state that people are looking for some

change...

Posted by: beanervt at September 12, 2020 05:17 AM (pyQkH)

591 Ok I'm out, but remember,

www.JesseJensen2020.com

for the future of America.

One one four hundred forty fifth of the answer to the bullshit you despise.

It's up to you.

ten bucks and I will get off your ass.

deal?

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at September 12, 2020 05:21 AM (sy5kK)

592
"Yeah, I'm drunk on the Left Coast."

Hey Dawg,,, that would be a every day feature if I had to live there...

bad enough here and the the ijits running the insane asylum here
are doing everything they can to emulate CA..

Posted by: beanervt at September 12, 2020 05:22 AM (pyQkH)

593 My congressman is using her mask to hide her throat wattle, matching her outifit like a fashion accessory.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at September 12, 2020 05:25 AM (EZebt)

594 My congressman is using her mask to hide her throat wattle, matching her outifit like a fashion accessory.
Posted by: San Franpsycho

Is there a lamp post consistent with the colour palette?

Posted by: CMYK Miklos at September 12, 2020 05:29 AM (QzkSJ)

595 the ijits running the insane asylum here
are doing everything they can to emulate CA..
Posted by: beanervt

speak 4 yr sef

Posted by: East Coast Miklos at September 12, 2020 05:31 AM (QzkSJ)

596
Hey Dawg,,, that would be a every day feature if I had to live there...

bad enough here and the the ijits running the insane asylum here
are doing everything they can to emulate CA..
Posted by: beanervt at September 12, 2020 05:22 AM (pyQkH)

bean,

I was born here, not leaving, and have thousands of rounds destined for Communist traitors in reserve. I just hope I don't have to use it. WA has incredible geography and I love it. It is worth fighting for. The nonsense about some here who think that giving up the Left coast for some kind of resolution with the Left is nonsense.

Have you seen nurse rached's posts?

She's my gal.

And good news, I found another K of 5.56 online, to my door at $621. Expensive compared to a year ago, but relatively cheap and available.

You have a good day, my fellow moron.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at September 12, 2020 05:33 AM (sy5kK)

597
"
My congressman is using her mask to hide her throat wattle"

Hey Psycho,,, she must have went to the piglosy school of elitist shithead
politicians ... does she stock her second fridge with gormet ice cream too???

Posted by: beanervt at September 12, 2020 05:33 AM (pyQkH)

598 At this moment, if I had more ice, I could conquer the World.

Posted by: Miklos, Globallly Warmened at September 12, 2020 05:34 AM (QzkSJ)

599 On second thought, World not worth conquering.

Still need ice.

Posted by: Miklos, Globallly Warmened at September 12, 2020 05:35 AM (QzkSJ)

600
We were all New Yorkers that day.

If that happened in Omaha today, half of NYC would cheer it.

Posted by: Sapwolf at September 12, 2020 05:35 AM (nuv3n)

601

"You have a good day, my fellow moron."
You too Dawg,, and you got a good 'un there in Nurse Rached

Posted by: beanervt at September 12, 2020 05:37 AM (pyQkH)

602 And good news, I found another K of 5.56 online, to my door at $621. Expensive compared to a year ago, but relatively cheap and available.

You have a good day, my fellow moron.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg

I, for one, will sleep better.

Posted by: Miklos, somewhat defensive at September 12, 2020 05:37 AM (QzkSJ)

603 598 At this moment, if I had more ice, I could conquer the World.

Posted by: Miklos, Globallly Warmened at September 12, 2020 05:34 AM (QzkSJ)

Well, ice and bourbon.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at September 12, 2020 05:38 AM (sy5kK)

604 Good morning. Not much content. It's OK. Sometimes, quiet contemplation and prayer are best.
Regarding the "Cuties" scandal, the biggest lie I read was that it is a "coming of age story."
Coming of Age? Not at 11 years old.

Posted by: JAS at September 12, 2020 05:39 AM (2BZBZ)

605 I'm out, and you are great people.

but you already knew that.

Later.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at September 12, 2020 05:39 AM (sy5kK)

606

"If that happened in Omaha today, half of NYC would cheer it."

Probably more then half Sapwolf,,,, they elected that dumb ass
Cortez,, and bone head commie Debastard..

Posted by: beanervt at September 12, 2020 05:42 AM (pyQkH)

607

Posted by: JAS at September 12, 2020 05:42 AM (2BZBZ)

608 At least with scotch am not a slave to ice

Posted by: Skip at September 12, 2020 05:42 AM (OjZpE)

609 Not in the fucking mood for rainman's shit this morning.

Posted by: jsg at September 12, 2020 05:43 AM (IC+Cn)

610 Well, ice and bourbon.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg

Had the one, just got the other.

Cheap Bourbon, so mixing with RC Cola.

Posted by: Miklos, with some Fighting Cock that I won somehow at September 12, 2020 05:43 AM (QzkSJ)

611 No embarrelling for an empty comment, I hope.

Posted by: JAS at September 12, 2020 05:44 AM (2BZBZ)

612 Is there a lamp post consistent with the colour palette?
Posted by: CMYK Miklos at September 12, 2020 05:29 AM (QzkSJ)

===

They are custom made from the same fabric of whatever couture she is wearing that day.

But, yes, I do have a lamppost picked out. On Nancy Pelosi Dr, of course.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at September 12, 2020 05:45 AM (EZebt)

613
g'mornin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson (Click here for the MiMoMe!!!) at September 12, 2020 05:45 AM (IQdyR)

614 Not in the fucking mood for rainman's shit this morning.
Posted by: jsg

It's Raining again.

If you like Supertramp, IT'S OK

Posted by: Tolerant and inclusive Miklos at September 12, 2020 05:46 AM (QzkSJ)

615
"with scotch am not a slave to ice"

Yeah Skip,,, along with Port, fine Whiskey Wine and beer.. thou the beer
needs cooling unless your a limey....

Posted by: beanervt at September 12, 2020 05:48 AM (pyQkH)

616 I have pictures of the burning towers, the falling people, and the and shaitan-worshipping terrorists names in my cellphone. I will never forget.

Posted by: Eromero at September 12, 2020 05:50 AM (XhWtx)

617 But, yes, I do have a lamppost picked out. On Nancy Pelosi Dr, of course.
Posted by: San Franpsycho

Somehow, I envision Rough Justice in a vineyard

Posted by: Miklosius, in vino vertebrae veritas at September 12, 2020 05:50 AM (QzkSJ)

618 Becoming a strange morning

Posted by: Skip at September 12, 2020 05:51 AM (OjZpE)

619
"Coming of Age? Not at 11 years old."

and to set that in perspective JAS,,, their too old for pedo joe...

Posted by: beanervt at September 12, 2020 05:52 AM (pyQkH)

620 Rainmain is not worth engaging.

Bomb throwing parrot is all.

An original thought would give him an aneurysm.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at September 12, 2020 05:53 AM (EZebt)

621 with scotch am not a slave to ice"

Yeah Skip,,, along with Port, fine Whiskey Wine and beer.. thou the beer
needs cooling unless your a limey....
Posted by: beanervt

"Hey bartender... gonna settle this thing

One Bourbon, One Scotch, and a case of Yuengling"

Posted by: Miklos Thorogood at September 12, 2020 05:54 AM (QzkSJ)

622 I swap ammo into other magazines every couple of weeks or so if they sit. As in, I have 4 mags for the VP9 and 2 always ready. I don't know if it matters but figure it can't hurt to relieve the pressure on the mag springs.

Posted by: jsg at September 12, 2020 05:54 AM (IC+Cn)

623 Becoming a strange morning
Posted by: Skip

is that a new song ?

Posted by: JT at September 12, 2020 05:54 AM (arJlL)

624 "Coming of Age? Not at 11 years old."

Phoney. A Big Phoney.

Posted by: Miklos "Holden" Caulfield at September 12, 2020 05:56 AM (QzkSJ)

625 No song, just nothing is right

Posted by: Skip at September 12, 2020 05:57 AM (OjZpE)

626 Any adult who thinks an 11 year old is hot should be beaten to death with a spiked baseball bat.

Posted by: jsg at September 12, 2020 05:57 AM (IC+Cn)

627 I swap ammo into other magazines every couple of weeks or so if they sit. As in, I have 4 mags for the VP9 and 2 always ready. I don't know if it matters but figure it can't hurt to relieve the pressure on the mag springs.
Posted by: jsg

BIDEN VOTER

Posted by: Miklos' Big Pollsters Average at September 12, 2020 05:57 AM (QzkSJ)

628 Off to work, comrades. Taxes have to be paid. We can't expect shiftless ner'dowells to pay for their own tings.

Posted by: Eromero at September 12, 2020 05:58 AM (XhWtx)

629 ZOD.

Posted by: Zod at September 12, 2020 05:58 AM (xK9An)

630 Somehow, I envision Rough Justice in a vineyard
Posted by: Miklosius, in vino vertebrae veritas at September 12, 2020 05:50 AM (QzkSJ)

Either works for me

Posted by: San Franpsycho at September 12, 2020 05:59 AM (EZebt)

631 just nothing is right
Posted by: Skip

No masks at Myrtle Beach.

Just sayin'

Posted by: Miklos with virtual sand in his shoes at September 12, 2020 05:59 AM (QzkSJ)

632 No song, just nothing is right

NOTHING ?

Posted by: JT at September 12, 2020 06:00 AM (arJlL)

633
BIDEN VOTER
Posted by: Miklos' Big Pollsters Average at September 12, 2020 05:57 AM (QzkSJ)

Gee thanks

Posted by: jsg at September 12, 2020 06:00 AM (IC+Cn)

634 Hiya Zodster

Posted by: JT at September 12, 2020 06:01 AM (arJlL)

635 KRAK IS UP

Posted by: Skip, the guy who says NOOD at September 12, 2020 06:02 AM (OjZpE)

636 ZOD.
Posted by: Zod

"ZOD" spelled backwards is "DOZ"

Am I missing something here?

Posted by: Solkim Effendi at September 12, 2020 06:02 AM (QzkSJ)

637 Before I JUMP UP and seize the day, I'd like to compliment Weird Dave on a great ONT.

I thought sure this post would break 1k; but what the comments lacked in #'s, they more than made up for with emotion !

Posted by: JT at September 12, 2020 06:03 AM (arJlL)

638
" if it matters but figure it can't hurt to relieve the pressure on the mag springs."
Another option JSG,,, wear a metal helmet and bang them on it before
inserting in the rifle.... worked like a charm with the Matte Mattels ...

Posted by: beanervt at September 12, 2020 06:05 AM (pyQkH)

639 >>Am I missing something here? Posted by: Solkim Effendi at September 12, 2020 06:02 AM (QzkSJ)

Yes. You are missing something.

Resume your toil.

Posted by: Zod at September 12, 2020 06:10 AM (xK9An)

640 It it is an honor to participate in this thread. I remember so much about 9/11. So much.

Posted by: DanMan at September 12, 2020 09:46 AM (FybfN)

641 Never Forget
Never Forgive
Never Again

Posted by: JB at September 12, 2020 12:10 PM (sGigC)

642 #118 Jack, keep up the good fight. You are not a failure.
Never forget.

Posted by: Roy at September 12, 2020 10:16 PM (xv+LM)

643 15:17 to Paris.

Posted by: step on snek at September 18, 2020 11:54 PM (vK+ND)

644 Some people need "contact".

Posted by: I Live my life alone at September 18, 2020 11:59 PM (vK+ND)

645 I will miss, you people the most!?

Posted by: I Live my life alone at September 19, 2020 12:05 AM (vK+ND)

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