What A Concept! An Ally That Will Fight, Rather Than Expect America To Spend Its Blood And Treasure

Whether Prime Minister Modi can drag India into the 21st century, without becoming a typical big-government nepotist like so many of his predecessors remains to be seen. But the idea of a military alliance between India and the United States is appealing; imagine the complexities for China if we and India could present a united front against their expansionist tendencies.

But that alliance would have to be based on a revamped model...something along the lines of our "realpolitik" from years past. As this excellent article points out, having an alliance with countries that don't participate but rather expect us to do everything is no alliance at all.

If we needed another bloated, militarily decrepit ally we could just invite France or Germany into NATO.

Oh...wait.

The U.S. Wants India as a Real Ally, Not Another Helpless Dependent

Alliances should be a means to an end, not a popularity contest, like winning bragging rights by accumulating the most Facebook friends or online “likes.” Yet of late Washington has collected mostly ornamental allies, which add more burdens and obligations than benefits. Montenegro and North Macedonia, for instance, are geopolitical jokes that dilute NATO decision-making while adding to America’s obligations.
But even such stalwarts as Germany, Japan, and South Korea needlessly remain dependent despite decades as U.S. allies. All three believe that it is Washington’s job to protect them. Their primary responsibility is to agree to be defended, not to contribute to joint security by increasing efforts to match capabilities.
This behavior is corrosive. Although Washington’s foreign policy establishment is appalled by Trump’s sensible demands for increased burden-sharing, his perspective, however maladroitly expressed, reflects the common sense of average Americans who pay the bills. Why does most Pentagon spending end up as de facto welfare for rich friends who have more important priorities than defending their territories and peoples?

Unlike most of our allies who live in nice neighborhoods protected by Americans, India is in a very tough neighborhood indeed, with militant Islamic Pakistan, Bangladesh and China, not to mention they are within spitting distance of Afghanistan, as well as a couple of former Soviet republics that are spectacularly dysfunctional.

A partnership with India modeled on our relationship with Israel would be beneficial to both countries. Our expertise in logistics, our military technology and information gathering systems, coupled with India's personnel might be a potent counter to China.

Now if we can just get Russia to get into a pissing match with China we would be well on our way to isolating them and keeping their focus on their borders, rather than world expansion and domination.

Posted by: CBD at 12:00 PM

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Posted by: Skip at July 26, 2020 12:01 PM (6f16T)

2 India has recently banned Tik Tok and 50 other Chinese electronic Apps as dangerous threats to it's National Security. How I wish we would emulate that move!

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 26, 2020 12:01 PM (Kpl3J)

3 India is mostly Hindu who have no love for the Red Chinese or Mooslims.

Win-win.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 26, 2020 12:02 PM (Z+IKu)

4 India has good natural barriers with that pile of rocks to the north east and wasteland to the north west. Managed to be relatively remote for millenia.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at July 26, 2020 12:02 PM (1g7ch)

5 Would be nice as the world's policeman to have a deputy.

Posted by: Skip at July 26, 2020 12:03 PM (6f16T)

6 As the US has been backing away from Pakistan (and rightly so!!!) China has been eager to fill the gap, doing more and more business with the Pakis and selling them anything they want. BUT the downside of this is that it has pissed off India more than ever.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 26, 2020 12:03 PM (Kpl3J)

7 India is mostly Hindu who have no love for the Red Chinese or Mooslims.

Win-win.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy

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The Catholic Indians aren't overly fond of them either.

Posted by: Tonypete at July 26, 2020 12:06 PM (6WCwE)

8 Would be nice as the world's policeman to have a deputy.

Posted by: Skip at July 26, 2020 12:03 PM (6f16T)

Bernard Fife: Look no further.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 26, 2020 12:06 PM (yTvFw)

9 I'd hardly call South Korea a helpless dependent. And Japan's disarmament made political sense because for the first thirty or so years of the Cold War, Asian politics were dominated by people who remembered first hand the Japanese military. Rearming Japan risked pushing those countries into the communist sphere of influence.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at July 26, 2020 12:06 PM (SgjGX)

10 It's not often we hear about it but India often is clashing with its neighbors, often boundary arguments.

Posted by: Skip at July 26, 2020 12:07 PM (6f16T)

11
Thank god the library closed the B.O. was overwhelming...sniff...not too fresh here..Y'all just came here didn ya !!!!

Posted by: Saf at July 26, 2020 12:09 PM (5IHGB)

12 Those Sikhs are some bad motherfuckers, have to give them that.

I do want a Nehru jacket out of the deal, at least.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at July 26, 2020 12:09 PM (NWiLs)

13 I'd be happy to sell India whatever they need and can afford. But I don't see why a formal alliance is in our interest.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at July 26, 2020 12:09 PM (H5knJ)

14 10 It's not often we hear about it but India often is clashing with its neighbors, often boundary arguments.
Posted by: Skip at July 26, 2020 12:07 PM (6f16T)

India is stuck in a pretty rough neighborhood. Paki's, Afghans, Chicoms, Burmese Dictatorship...

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 26, 2020 12:10 PM (Kpl3J)

15

I am detecting a Hindu Kush aroma...amarite?

Posted by: Saf at July 26, 2020 12:11 PM (5IHGB)

16 "...Trump's sensible demands for increased burden-sharing, his perspective, however maladroitly expressed, reflects the common sense of average Americans who pay the bills."

C'mon man, get over it.

Posted by: DR.WTF at July 26, 2020 12:12 PM (AiZBA)

17 Now if we can just get Russia to get into a pissing match with China

One day we're all going to be looking out at a small burning lake of american blood and thinking, "Gee, maybe we could have tried harder to split Russia away from China instead of hogtieing our government to the principle of Orance Man Bad..." but politics is politics, and national politics has become a suicide pact these days.

Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain, Having Marie Kondo Shorten His Alias at July 26, 2020 12:12 PM (dwojT)

18 Indians are very independent _understood
Indians are very nationalistic _ understood
Indians will defend their sovereignty _understood

Indians wants an ally that is not in consuming it.
Selling them hardware and tech support (ironic) for the hardware would be a good place to start.

Maybe let them manufacture low tech F-22s.
They want them.

Posted by: Braenyard at July 26, 2020 12:13 PM (lkl+P)

19 The Russians have got to have some Rare Earth deposits somewhere that could make them some cash and screw with the CCP. With the Russian break even at about $42 a barrel for oil, they aren't exactly swimming in cash lately. We can start there.

In a few years we'll see how Vlad and the Ivans feel when the CCP is pushing the Belt and Road through what used to be Soviet territory.

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Low Glycemic Souls at July 26, 2020 12:13 PM (Wm5SB)

20 Now if India can stop all those spam calls.....

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 26, 2020 12:14 PM (85Gof)

21
What India really wants and needs is the British Empire back,someone to make a decent Gin & T and keep the the tea leaves flowing...oh and hot succulentt curries !

Nearly forgot...gorgeous Bollywood Babes...Mmmmm.

Posted by: Saf at July 26, 2020 12:15 PM (5IHGB)

22 Russia is never, ever going to get into "a pissing match" with China. Russia and China go on joint military maneuvers, practicing for the day when they try to take down the United States.

I once thought that such an alliance might be possible. I didn't think that a former KGB man would be able to maintain an iron grip on the nation for this long. But, it is what it is. Putin is "President for Life," Communists still control the Duma, and the Russian people will apparently allow their brutal mistreatment at the hands of the Communists to forever go unpunished.

Posted by: Sam Adams at July 26, 2020 12:15 PM (VDbGO)

23 With Japan and India we'd have the chicoms surrounded

Posted by: DB- just DB. at July 26, 2020 12:16 PM (iTXRQ)

24 PSA

I went to the mailbox today and found a small black plastic envelope. Inside was a face mask, which I did not order, with Chinese writing on it. I left it outside and washed the hell out of my hands. Then I put it in a ziplock bag, wrapped in tinfoil and put it in the freezer and called the Postal Inspection Service after again washing the hell out of my hands.
The man said they have had many reports like this but I have to wait until tomorrow to make an official report and get advice on what to do.

Just so your aware of it.

Posted by: xa4 nasal radiator at July 26, 2020 12:16 PM (xkudx)

25 We're talking dot, not woo-woo, right?

Posted by: Weasel at July 26, 2020 12:16 PM (MVjcR)

26 I'm sick of helpless dependent "allies". I think NATO needs a good pruning. If you don't meet your obligations, GTFO. I don't care how many lazy ass migrant/invaders you're supporting and bowing to.

Posted by: CN at July 26, 2020 12:16 PM (ONvIw)

27 20 Now if India can stop all those spam calls.....
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 26, 2020 12:14 PM (85Gof)

And sending the police on behalf of the IRS to take my social security number away unless I buy two Visa gift cards at my closest grocery store and give them the numbers. Such a nuisance.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at July 26, 2020 12:17 PM (NWiLs)

28 Would be nice as the world's policeman to have a deputy.
Posted by: Skip at July 26, 2020 12:03 PM

Tanned. Rested. Ready.

Posted by: Dawg at July 26, 2020 12:17 PM (DMUuz)

29 25 We're talking dot, not woo-woo, right?
Posted by: Weasel at July 26, 2020 12:16 PM (MVjcR)

Yes. Convenience store, not casino.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at July 26, 2020 12:17 PM (NWiLs)

30 We have been helping India design and build their first home built carrier. India has purchased P-8 planes as well as Apache gunships and a few surplus Navy ships. Being the largest democracy it is logical that we combine against the Chicomms. Practical too. Why do you think the Pentagon now calls it the Indo-Pacific region.

When PLAN sent out pics of their first carrier putzing around the Indians sent out pics of their two carriers in formation with their escorts.

The Ruskies have no love for the Chinese as well.

Posted by: The Man from Athens at July 26, 2020 12:18 PM (QMwOT)

31 >Yes. Convenience store, not casino.
Posted by: Insomniac

incense, not smoke signals

Posted by: DB- just DB. at July 26, 2020 12:18 PM (iTXRQ)

32 trying for complete sentences

India wanted to purchase F-22s from oBama, he said try our F-35s. India bought F-22 knock-offs from China.
They bought an aircraft carrier iirc from Russia.

We have rusty crap at the dock better than that pos they bought from Russia.

Posted by: Braenyard at July 26, 2020 12:19 PM (lkl+P)

33 We have a lot of professionals from India in the medical field. My primary doctor was educated in India and worked in a children's hospital before immigrating here. Very smart lady doctor, and does a great prostate exam.(just kidding, she is bashful when she does it).
Had Indian bosses in the past, and they are good, and take no shit from bad employees. If your not first born in a family, your better off leaving the country, if you want to get ahead.

Posted by: Colin at July 26, 2020 12:19 PM (sUl9n)

34 US + Canada + Mexico + India = winning

Posted by: m at July 26, 2020 12:19 PM (lc3dU)

35 25 We're talking dot, not woo-woo, right?
~~
Nice.

Posted by: socalcon at July 26, 2020 12:19 PM (Roy2Z)

36
Why is Trump explaining the facts MALADROITLY....he is telling them straight UP..get skin in the game,pull your weight,no free rides...NOT CLEAR ENUF fer U???

a diplomat in making I see ^^^

Posted by: Saf at July 26, 2020 12:20 PM (5IHGB)

37 >>>Whether Prime Minister Modi can drag India into the 21st century

Yes, he can!!

Posted by: m at July 26, 2020 12:20 PM (lc3dU)

38 31 >Yes. Convenience store, not casino.
Posted by: Insomniac

incense, not smoke signals
Posted by: DB- just DB. at July 26, 2020 12:18 PM (iTXRQ)

reservations at the Hotel, not...

Oh, hell this could go on all afternoon.

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Low Glycemic Souls at July 26, 2020 12:20 PM (Wm5SB)

39 The Indian Navy has been advancing, but they still have a ways to go to really become a truly professional force. Remember the joke about screen doors on submarines? Recently their first ballistic missile submarine was knocked out of commission for 10 months when someone forgot to close a hatch and it flooded.

a dramatization:
"Hey Jamal, did you close the door?"
"Why do I always have to be in charge of the door, you were the last one in, Raj!!!"
"No I swear by Krishna it was not me, you were the last! You go close the door!"
"I did it the last 5 times, its your turn, you go back and close that door!"
"I am not your house servant, I will not! You go do it!!!"
"ay where is that water coming from AIIIIII!!!!"!

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 26, 2020 12:20 PM (Kpl3J)

40 We're talking dot, not woo-woo, right?
Posted by: Weasel at July 26, 2020 12:16 PM

Depends. Are you talking Harris or Warren?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 26, 2020 12:21 PM (DMUuz)

41 Indian families run most of the hotels in the US...as a side note from someone who traveled a lot.

Posted by: Colin at July 26, 2020 12:21 PM (sUl9n)

42 "Hey Jamal, did you close the door?"
"Why do I always have to be in charge of the door, you were the last one in, Raj!!!"
"No I swear by Krishna it was not me, you were the last! You go close the door!"
"I did it the last 5 times, its your turn, you go back and close that door!"
"I am not your house servant, I will not! You go do it!!!"
"ay where is that water coming from AIIIIII!!!!"!
Posted by: Tom Servo

Clearly, someone forgot to do the needful.

Posted by: Tonypete at July 26, 2020 12:21 PM (6WCwE)

43 The Houston area suburbs of Sugar Land and contiguous parts of Ft. Bend County have an enormous population of Indian (dot, not feather), Paki and other related groups.

So much so that the Ft. Bend County Judge (mayor of the county), is now an Indian Democrat swept in with the same 2018 debacle that gave Harris County it's not infamous Commendante Lina Hildago.

Any "alliance" with India should also be wrapped around the idea of a major project, the goal of which is to break the U.S. Indian populations away from their present fixation with democrat party politics.

They've thrown off communism in India. They need to know to do the same thing here, now.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at July 26, 2020 12:23 PM (QzJWU)

44 Indian families run most of the hotels in the US...as a side note from someone who traveled a lot.
Posted by: Colin at July 26, 2020 12:21 PM

In an amazing coincidence, most of them are surnamed Patel.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 26, 2020 12:24 PM (DMUuz)

45 Depends. Are you talking Harris or Warren?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 26, 2020 12:21 PM (DMUuz)

Patel?

Posted by: BignJames at July 26, 2020 12:24 PM (X/Pw5)

46 FFS, by the tone of his article, Doug Bandow needs to get laid.

Posted by: socalcon at July 26, 2020 12:24 PM (Roy2Z)

47 >>>Maybe let them manufacture low tech F-22s.

And base their tech support call center in Louisiana staffed by members with heavy Creole accents.

Posted by: fly at July 26, 2020 12:24 PM (2M/TV)

48 Have spent a bit of time in both India and China. The main take-away if that China tries to impose a stunting uniformity on the people while India is crazy in its diversity. India as a military ally is great in terms of counterbalancing the billion plus Chinese, but the country is so pluralistic it is hard to imagine the alliance surviving the inevitable change of leadership.

Posted by: iandeal at July 26, 2020 12:25 PM (ohqkV)

49

Gropin' Joe: I'm not sure why we need an alliance with them. I've been to Indianapolis and it seemed pretty friendly to me

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 26, 2020 12:26 PM (yTvFw)

50 >The Indian Navy has been advancing, but they still have a ways to go to really become a truly professional force.

every time they put a cannon on a canoe, it sinks instantly

and when they call 'battle stations' everyone starts dancing in a circle and chanting

lotta work to be done

and of course I denounce myself

Posted by: DB- just DB. at July 26, 2020 12:26 PM (iTXRQ)

51 Slurpee, not tomahawk

Posted by: fly at July 26, 2020 12:26 PM (2M/TV)

52 In an amazing coincidence, most of them are surnamed Patel.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 26, 2020 12:24 PM (DMUuz)

Patel is the Indian equivalent "Smith" or "Jones."

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at July 26, 2020 12:26 PM (NWiLs)

53 I'd hardly call South Korea a helpless dependent.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at July 26, 2020 12:06 PM (SgjGX)

When the Republic of Korea has 53 times the GDP of its northern
antagonist, why is the former still reliant on America militarily?

Hard to argue the point. Sure...we use Korea as a foil against the Nork's patron, but still....

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 26, 2020 12:26 PM (dLLD6)

54 Dear India,

Please stop calling me about my vehicle's warranty. It's nowhere near its expiration date. Kthxbai.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 26, 2020 12:26 PM (ZjKyw)

55 *of "Smith"

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at July 26, 2020 12:27 PM (NWiLs)

56 A partnership with India modeled on our relationship with Israel would be beneficial to both countries. Our expertise in logistics, our military technology and information gathering systems, coupled with India's personnel might be a potent counter to China.

==

as long as we don't give every tech job to them and created a rotation of H1Bs at every tech firm and dept, I am ok with it.

Posted by: runner at July 26, 2020 12:27 PM (zr5Kq)

57 Fffffuuuuuck

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at July 26, 2020 12:27 PM (NWiLs)

58 as long as we don't give every tech job to them and created a rotation of H1Bs at every tech firm and dept, I am ok with it.
Posted by: runner at July 26, 2020 12:27 PM (zr5Kq)

I thought we were already at least halfway there.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at July 26, 2020 12:28 PM (NWiLs)

59 Patel is the Indian equivalent "Smith" or "Jones."
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at July 26, 2020 12:26 PM

A (perhaps the) dominant name in the 'merchant' caste.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 26, 2020 12:28 PM (DMUuz)

60 >>>but the country is so pluralistic it is hard to imagine the alliance surviving the inevitable change of leadership.
Posted by: iandeal at July 26, 2020 12:25 PM (ohqkV)

That will be the chink in the deal.

Posted by: Braenyard at July 26, 2020 12:28 PM (lkl+P)

61 59 Patel is the Indian equivalent "Smith" or "Jones."
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at July 26, 2020 12:26 PM

A (perhaps the) dominant name in the 'merchant' caste.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 26, 2020 12:28 PM (DMUuz)

Could be. Pretty much every Indian doctor seems to be named Patel.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at July 26, 2020 12:29 PM (NWiLs)

62 I remember when Joan Baez sang about Indira Gandhi and her forced sterilization program.

Good times, good times.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 26, 2020 12:29 PM (Z+IKu)

63 incense, not smoke signals

==

Sacred Cow, not Tatanka

Posted by: runner at July 26, 2020 12:30 PM (zr5Kq)

64 Haha Haha! Iran is the future.
/s/ the JEF

What a pathetic fag that guy is.
All the lefties still whine about how the world loved us when he was president.

Because he was a fucking loser that was losing (on purpose).

Nobody hates a loser.
But winners get lots of haters.

Compare the Patriots and the Browns.

Posted by: RoyalOil at July 26, 2020 12:30 PM (aO8Gd)

65 Trumps common sense foreign policy positions embarrass the embedded State Department Shitheads. You can only conclude that they haven't been putting US interests first for decades

Posted by: Ignoramus at July 26, 2020 12:30 PM (4t+w+)

66 Better to work with HAL than TAI when it comes to military aircraft.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 26, 2020 12:30 PM (kgUrq)

67 Could be. Pretty much every Indian doctor seems to be named Patel.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at July 26, 2020 12:29 PM (NWiLs)

My cardio doc is named Hiremath.

Posted by: BignJames at July 26, 2020 12:30 PM (X/Pw5)

68 67 Could be. Pretty much every Indian doctor seems to be named Patel.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at July 26, 2020 12:29 PM (NWiLs)

My cardio doc is named Hiremath.
Posted by: BignJames at July 26, 2020 12:30 PM (X/Pw5)

I didn't take Hiremath in college. Wish I had.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at July 26, 2020 12:31 PM (NWiLs)

69 My doc's is Chedharthramomaney.

Posted by: Braenyard at July 26, 2020 12:31 PM (lkl+P)

70 My cardio doc is named Hiremath.
Posted by: BignJames

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Mine is Cardwell. Not kidding.

Posted by: Tonypete at July 26, 2020 12:31 PM (6WCwE)

71 Olivia de Havilland, the last surviving star of Gone with the Wind, dead at 104.

Posted by: rhennigantx at July 26, 2020 12:32 PM (JFO2v)

72 You can only conclude that they haven't been putting US interests first for decades

Posted by: Ignoramus at July 26, 2020 12:30 PM (4t+w+)

Yup. When their goals aren't "America wins," then they have lost sight of the goal.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 26, 2020 12:32 PM (dLLD6)

73 69 My doc's is Chedharthramomaney.

Posted by: Braenyard at July 26, 2020 12:31 PM (lkl+P)

Momaney mo' problems, amiright?

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at July 26, 2020 12:32 PM (NWiLs)

74 Olivia de Havilland is mort.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 26, 2020 12:32 PM (DMUuz)

75 Pretty much every Indian doctor seems to be named Patel.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at July 26, 2020 12:29 PM (NWiLs)

Confusess Meidcaid Medicare and the IRS

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 26, 2020 12:33 PM (85Gof)

76 Yeah Alex touched on the historical correction. Japan was ordered to sit in the corner, geopolitically, after her crushing defeat, for good reasons, and it worked out spectacularly. Germany, not exactly the same, but similar, and though a different situation, it worked out well too (collapse of the Warsaw Pact).

South Korea spends plenty for defense, and even acts, sometimes, but is crippled by a suicidally idiotic instinct to treat the North as anything but a crazy bloodthirsty enemy, some times. But that hasn't really changed anything.

And alliances are means to an end, not an end in themselves (see NATO, today, for the latter problem). Burden-sharing is nice, if you can get it, but if vital interests aren't involved what are you doing anyway?

Trump's push for greater spending by NATO countries is harmless, but also pointless. It's not just North Macedonia (!!!) that's irrelevant, in a collective defense sense - it's all of NATO, today.

There is no external threat for NATO to address. Russia's fairly sad little predations on its periphery aren't even a minor US interest. The Visegrad countries merit US support, in that they are sincere fans of the US (yeah, they have reason to want close ties and security guarantees, too) - but kind of too bad for them.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 26, 2020 12:33 PM (OTzUX)

77 Better to work with HAL than TAI when it comes to military aircraft.
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 26, 2020 12:30 PM

I'm sorry, Anna, I can't do that.

Posted by: HAL 9000 at July 26, 2020 12:34 PM (DMUuz)

78 58 as long as we don't give every tech job to them

They have most donut and coffee making jobs, what more do they need?

Posted by: Skip at July 26, 2020 12:35 PM (6f16T)

79 "America First" is a meaningless slogan in itself, if there are disagreements about American interests, and how to secure them. Which there are.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 26, 2020 12:36 PM (OTzUX)

80 Indians wants an ally that is not in consuming it.
Selling them hardware and tech support (ironic) for the hardware would be a good place to start.

India's interest is in colonizing the former United States.

Let us not forget that many of the naturalized Indians immediately go into the voting booth and vote for Socialists.

I have worked with many who had green cards, and spouted off hard core Marxist slogans, sounding no different than that Idiot Sawant character in Seattle - and very eager to get citizenship to vote for Communism.

But if you want to send your kids to get killed to support a culture that wants you enslaved, the former United States is exactly the patsy for that operation.

Was there ever a foreign entanglement that the former United States got involved with that had a happy ending and wasn't marked by acres and acres of tombstones?

Posted by: 🐧 at July 26, 2020 12:37 PM (C+evo)

81
(Reuters) - A Rwandan refugee who volunteered as a warden at France's
15th-century Nantes cathedral has confessed to setting the blaze that
gutted its interior a week ago, his lawyer said on Sunday.

Diversity is our strength comrades.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 26, 2020 12:38 PM (yTvFw)

82 https://www.13abc.com/
changes coming to long standing general custer statue in monroe Michigan

George it was fun while it lasted, but the woke culture is getting around to you.

Posted by: Skip at July 26, 2020 12:39 PM (6f16T)

83 2 India has recently banned Tik Tok and 50 other Chinese electronic Apps as dangerous threats to it's National Security. How I wish we would emulate that move!
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 26, 2020 12:01 PM (Kpl3J)

Excellent.

Posted by: m at July 26, 2020 12:39 PM (lc3dU)

84 When the Republic of Korea has 53 times the GDP of its northern
antagonist, why is the former still reliant on America militarily?

Hard to argue the point. Sure...we use Korea as a foil against the Nork's patron, but still....
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 26, 2020 12:26 PM (dLLD6)

They are allied with us because while the South Koreans are more than capable of handling the Norks (though any such conflict would be brutally ugly), any conflict risks drawing in the Chinese, where the US is one of the few countries capable of providing the level of support necessary. That said, the South Koreans don't shirk their military responsibilities like the Germans have done.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at July 26, 2020 12:39 PM (SgjGX)

85 Fing uTube, Bartiromo had amoral money changer Ray Dalio on today and they cut that part out of her show.

As much as that cheese whiz loves China you'd think it would have been included for sure.

Posted by: Braenyard at July 26, 2020 12:39 PM (lkl+P)

86 For various reasons, India has natural common interests with the US in the last 20 years.

Jidadism, and Chi-Nah, to summarize. Modi and Trump have a good vibe with each other, too. The big turn came under Bush, driven (on the Indian side) by those two big factors noted. It went well - and like a few other things was of course pretty much abandoned under the affirmative action intern.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 26, 2020 12:40 PM (OTzUX)

87
Would be nice as the world's policeman to have a deputy.
Posted by: Skip

Bernard Fife: Look no further.
Posted by: TheQuietMan

With a nuke in the shirt pocket.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 26, 2020 12:41 PM (aKsyK)

88 81
(Reuters) - A Rwandan refugee who volunteered as a warden at France's
15th-century Nantes cathedral has confessed to setting the blaze that
gutted its interior a week ago, his lawyer said on Sunday.

Diversity is our strength comrades.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 26, 2020 12:38 PM (yTvFw)

BBC link
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53542936

Posted by: m at July 26, 2020 12:41 PM (lc3dU)

89 >>Trumps common sense foreign policy positions embarrass the embedded State Department Shitheads. You can only conclude that they haven't been putting US interests first for decades

It's becoming increasingly clear that the Brookings Institute was deeply involved with the Russia collusion hoax. For years, Brookings has operated a revolving door with the State Department both formally and informally.

And with huge investments of money from people like George Soros State Department policy has been hijacked to support far leftist positions that make no sense to American interests. Globalism vs Nationalism.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 26, 2020 12:42 PM (ZLI7S)

90 >>>But if you want to send your kids to get killed to support a culture that wants you enslaved, the former United States is exactly the patsy for that operation.

Posted by: ??? at July 26, 2020 12:37 PM (C+evo)

You didn't read what I wrote.
I wrote - sell them stuff.

Posted by: Braenyard at July 26, 2020 12:42 PM (lkl+P)

91 65 Trumps common sense foreign policy positions embarrass the embedded State Department Shitheads. You can only conclude that they haven't been putting US interests first for decades
Posted by: Ignoramus at July 26, 2020 12:30 PM (4t+w+)

I'm convinced the entrenched State Department culture is that of representing the interests of the country to which they are stationed to Washington instead of vice versa. It puts them in the position of granting favors rather than asking for them and gets their ass kissed.

Diplomacy is better than war, but the entire department seems blind to instances where negotiation is a tactic rather then a real effort to solve a dispute. Sure, Timmy Bumbershoot Van Hollens, you and your C average in Peace Studies are going to save the world.

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Low Glycemic Souls at July 26, 2020 12:43 PM (Wm5SB)

92 Could be. Pretty much every Indian doctor seems to be named Patel.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at July 26, 2020 12:29 PM

Had an absolutely stunning young lady of Indian descent in my law school section. Name if Sumathi. She went by Sumi. We all got a good chuckle out of that.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 26, 2020 12:43 PM (ZjKyw)

93 Any "alliance" with India should also be wrapped
around the idea of a major project, the goal of which is to break the
U.S. Indian populations away from their present fixation with democrat
party politics.

They've thrown off communism in India. They need to know to do the same thing here, now.

Jim

Sunk New Dawn

Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at July 26, 2020 12:23 PM (QzJWU)
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Have you not watched the *massive* rallies of Indians with Trump?

The guy filled a stadium in India and the rally last year in Texas (with Modi) was also yuge, as well as classy and luxurious.

Trump is pushing hard for the Indian expat vote and based on what the rallies show, he's getting a lot of love.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 26, 2020 12:44 PM (cfSRQ)

94 Affirmative Action Intern

nice

Posted by: Braenyard at July 26, 2020 12:44 PM (lkl+P)

95 South Korea has a lot more money than North Korea but North Korea isn't really the problem; the problem is their strategic forces are basically Chinese money and technology with a scattering of North Korean warm bodies and uniforms.

Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain, Having Marie Kondo Shorten His Alias at July 26, 2020 12:45 PM (dwojT)

96 Those Sikhs are some bad motherfuckers, have to give them that.

I do want a Nehru jacket out of the deal, at least.
Posted by: Insomniac

One of my CCP instructors was Sikh. Very nice man. Great sense of humor.

Posted by: Infidel at July 26, 2020 12:46 PM (R4aZ2)

97 #65 Ignoramus nailed it (seems funny printing that tho') Just re watch those American diplomats at Trumps scandalous impeachment..the Ukrainian ones...self serving sycophants to a T..STROZ with that fuckin shit eating maniacal grin and the rest ALL after years of swanning off the Gov Teet with easy postings..have their well padded nests ruffled "He FIRED ME!" one bellowed !!! ASS HOLES ALL. next time you intend to believe a gov flunky re play that in your head...the swamp is still deep and FETID,be sure of that my Horde.

Posted by: Saf at July 26, 2020 12:46 PM (5IHGB)

98 I have worked with many who had green cards, and spouted off hard core Marxist slogans, sounding no different than that Idiot Sawant character in Seattle - and very eager to get citizenship to vote for Communism."

See also: Pramila Jayapal, Congresswoman from WA State. One fugly, American-hating piece of work. Someone needs to fling a quarter at her, tell her to go downtown and have a rat gnaw that huge mole off her face.

Posted by: fly gal at July 26, 2020 12:47 PM (6CtMt)

99 One of my CCP instructors was Sikh.

Posted by: Infidel at July 26, 2020 12:46 PM (R4aZ2)

Heyyy...wait a minute...

Posted by: BignJames at July 26, 2020 12:47 PM (X/Pw5)

100 Has China ceased the Indian boarder incursions?

Has Three Gorges Dam seeped its last?

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 26, 2020 12:47 PM (kgUrq)

101 https://www.13abc.com/
changes coming to long standing general custer statue in monroe Michigan

George it was fun while it lasted, but the woke culture is getting around to you.

If they don't like Union generals any more can we send them one of Robert E. Lee instead?

Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain, Having Marie Kondo Shorten His Alias at July 26, 2020 12:48 PM (dwojT)

102 See also: Pramila Jayapal, Congresswoman from WA
State.

Posted by: fly gal at July 26, 2020 12:47 PM (6CtMt)

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That right there is your problem. There's a market demand in blue states for non-white agitators, so she's happy to take the gig.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 26, 2020 12:48 PM (cfSRQ)

103 Fort Bend Co. Sheriff Troy Nehls wins GOP nomination for Texas' 22nd Congressional District
By Jessica Willey

Posted by: Braenyard at July 26, 2020 12:48 PM (lkl+P)

104 Lots of Indians do seem to be hard core Leftists, but know of a few conservatives too.

Posted by: Skip at July 26, 2020 12:49 PM (6f16T)

105 Feather, or dot?

Posted by: That guy who always asks... at July 26, 2020 12:49 PM (EgshT)

106 In at least one Indian religious sect the rat is sacred.

Jayapal may take that as a compliment.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 26, 2020 12:50 PM (kgUrq)

107 Greetings:

I still get a bit of my TV from the France24 English-language broadcasts, and Indian President Modi is in the top three of their hate list along with, obviously, our President Trump, and Brazil's President Bolsinaro.

Posted by: 11B40 at July 26, 2020 12:50 PM (evgyj)

108 But if you want to send your kids to get killed to
support a culture that wants you enslaved, the former United States is
exactly the patsy for that operation.

Posted by: stupid emoji at July 26, 2020 12:37 PM (C+evo)

I guess you didn't read much of what I and others wrote.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 26, 2020 12:50 PM (dLLD6)

109 You didn't read what I wrote. I wrote - sell them stuff.

If it only stayed that way.

The MIC isn't satisfied with "selling them stuff", they want to do joint operations, cross-training, inviting them into strategery sessions, obtaining all of the hard learned tactics free.

I hope that you recall that when the Wuhan Death Miasma was in full operation, and the powers that be didn't yet condemn HCQ, India said "we make lots of that and we will gladly sell that to you if you increase your H1 visas by 500,000 people each year."

India looks at trade as a mechanism to colonize the former United States. They colonize then they exploit Equal Opportunity laws that specifically discriminate against non PoC, then they vote people sympathetic to anything Indian, and Voila! you lost your country and your sovereignty.

Posted by: 🐧 at July 26, 2020 12:50 PM (C+evo)

110 Forget the grapeshot, one Beehive round

https://valorguardians.com/blog/?p=102783

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 26, 2020 12:51 PM (kgUrq)

111 Get them to eat more meat and i'm on board. I did a house in San Clemente that was owned by the Dr's Patel, 25,000 sq ft and had 5 seperate areas. One for the parents who were drs, and 4, 2 on each side were for the dr sons and their families

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at July 26, 2020 12:51 PM (YxRHs)

112 I see no advantage in yet another ridiculous foreign entanglement with yet another country that grossly abuses our very weak and weakly enforced immigration laws, and whom is practicing colonization policy of their own...on us. We don't need to be enemies, but they are simply looking to use us as a buffer while they build up to face down the CCP and/or the Pakis. Stay the heck out of it.

Posted by: ErikInTexas at July 26, 2020 12:52 PM (swScc)

113
Posted by: stupid emoji at July 26, 2020 12:37 PM (C+evo)

I guess you didn't read much of what I and others wrote.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 26, 2020 12:50 PM (dLLD6)

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Waste no time on him. He knows as much about India as he does about Detroit, which is not much.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 26, 2020 12:53 PM (cfSRQ)

114
I see no advantage in yet another ridiculous foreign entanglement with
yet another country that grossly abuses our very weak and weakly
enforced immigration laws, and whom is practicing colonization policy
of their own...on us. We don't need to be enemies, but they are simply
looking to use us as a buffer while they build up to face down the CCP
and/or the Pakis. Stay the heck out of it.

Posted by: ErikInTexas at July 26, 2020 12:52 PM (swScc)

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What people are missing is that Modi also wants to limit immigration.

I know, crazy.

It's about the brain drain. India is losing its best and brightest. Modi needs them to build up India.

Also, there's no reason the US selling them F-16s means our GIs end up in the Himalayas.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 26, 2020 12:55 PM (cfSRQ)

115 Personally I think Indians are stubborn, arrogant SOBs and intellectually competent do defend their assholery.

Just the people well suited to give grief to the Chinese, Russians, and Paki's.

Posted by: Braenyard at July 26, 2020 12:56 PM (lkl+P)

116 Give them a whiff of the beehive, Mr. Shapiro!

Posted by: Little Admiral Kristol at July 26, 2020 12:56 PM (EgshT)

117 Hey VMom,

If you're still around...

The other Korean movie was-

"Svaha: The Sixth Finger"

and the there was a Japanese ghost anthology-

"Kidan: Pieces of Darkness"

Posted by: naturalfake at July 26, 2020 12:58 PM (dWwl8)

118 Personally I think Indians are stubborn, arrogant SOBs and intellectually competent do defend their assholery.

Just the people well suited to give grief to the Chinese, Russians, and Paki's.

Posted by: Braenyard at July 26, 2020 12:56 PM (lkl+P)

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India also has a strong military culture, which China doesn't.

China has more money, and better equipment (because India's procurement is totally corrupt), but that could easily change.

The one-child policy has really crippled China's traditional strategy of drowning their enemies in Han blood. India is rising, and China knows it.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 26, 2020 12:59 PM (cfSRQ)

119 >>>there's no reason the US selling them F-16s means our GIs end up in the Himalayas.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 26, 2020 12:55 PM (cfSRQ)

We've got a Space Force.
Why in the world would want a mountain climbing force?

Posted by: Braenyard at July 26, 2020 12:59 PM (lkl+P)

120 Why in the world would want a mountain climbing force?

Mt. Everest, the ultimate sniper lair...

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 26, 2020 01:00 PM (kgUrq)

121 "The thing is, normal white people are getting really sick of the hate whitey stuff all over the media. During the last few months, whitey has been finding refuge in watching movies and television shows. Now they are being bombarded with explicit hatred of white people. If you circulate around normal people, it comes up a lot. When it does come up, the intensity is plain as day. These are people who would be Trump voters, so it is not as if this is changing minds, but it is pissing them off."

One of the most disastrous aspects of the Trump-Russian Collusion Hoax was that it drove Russia further into the arms of the Chinese. Unfortunately, with many of the Sinophiles in the PRC's fifth column within the United States, this was seen as a feature and not a bug.

My candidate for most likely nuclear exchange is between China and India. It should give some pause to the idea of any open-ended alliance.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at July 26, 2020 01:01 PM (puu6v)

122 Weaselllllllllllllllllllllllllllll.

Posted by: Braenyard at July 26, 2020 01:01 PM (lkl+P)

123 Weaselllllllllllllllllllllllllllll.
Posted by: Braenyard at July 26, 2020 01:01 PM (lkl+P)
----
This Weasel, go ahead, over.

Posted by: Weasel at July 26, 2020 01:04 PM (MVjcR)

124 Posted by: naturalfake at July 26, 2020 12:58 PM (dWwl

thanks!!!

Posted by: vmom 2020 at July 26, 2020 01:06 PM (TOyHQ)

125
"One of my CCP instructors was Sikh"

did they get,free medical advice? "Take off your Turban
and call me in the morning when the head swelling will go down "

Posted by: Saf at July 26, 2020 01:07 PM (5IHGB)

126 Here we go, another dem politician, vying to be decrepit old man's Veep, says that Trump Is "willing to cheat to win"...the narrative for Bidet's loss is set.

Posted by: runner at July 26, 2020 01:08 PM (zr5Kq)

127 This is Weasel actual, go ahead, over.
Posted by: Weasel at July 26, 2020 01:04 PM

Suggested edit, being a Smart Military Blog 'n all.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 26, 2020 01:10 PM (DMUuz)

128 MSNBC is setting up an alternate narrative

"Safe and secure voting."

You see Trump won because his COVID-19 policies scared people from voting since he opposed mail-in voting.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 26, 2020 01:10 PM (kgUrq)

129 runner I sure would like to know who is the one that sends the talking points around.

Posted by: Skip at July 26, 2020 01:10 PM (6f16T)

130 RIP: Olivia de Havilland and Regis Philbin
Thanks for the entertainment.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 26, 2020 01:11 PM (r+sAi)

131 A little-known aspect of 20th-century international politics that has actually been the root cause of MUCH of what has gone wring, is this:

The Soviet Union courted India as an ally, and India responded positively; they never went full commie, but they formed various alliances and detentes with the Soviets, and the Soviets supplies India with military jet fighters and equipment, etc.. In response, the US made the "strategic decision" to form a military alliance with India's enemy, Pakistan, "to counter Soviet influence in the region."

While that may have seemed like a clever maneuver at the time, it ultimately proves disastrous, because Pakistan is Islamist, and Islam ultimately proved to be a greater threat than Soviet communism. So we supplied massive military and financial aid to Pakistan, who then funneled that support to propagating Islam around the world, helping the mujahideen, funding terrorism, etc. etc.

And the US taxpayer was footing the bill for all of it.

So: Now finally flipping alliances to having a US-India pact is absolutely REQUIRED, and a genius political move by Trump.

Posted by: zombie at July 26, 2020 01:12 PM (HEEq1)

132 Anyway, don't see any possibility whatever of a formal alliance with India that would obligate us in any material way, no collective security stuff, under any US president. Not the way India rolls, in any case. Triangulating and such WRT Chi-Nah will be about it. No need even for triangulation when it comes to Pakistan and jihadism.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 26, 2020 01:12 PM (OTzUX)

133 Just remember, Khan a Sikh and the most dangerous enemy the Captain ever faced....

Posted by: Archer at July 26, 2020 01:12 PM (XHxuR)

134 I will cheer when Nanzi Pelosi dyes.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at July 26, 2020 01:12 PM (pw+jk)

135 >>runner I sure would like to know who is the one that sends the talking points around.

Search George Soros color revolution.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 26, 2020 01:12 PM (ZLI7S)

136 India is a good international ally when fighting muslim terrorism. Not sure where Indians residing in the US (many of whom are muslims, India hosts 10% of world's muslim population - 200 million plus) stand on conservatism, Republicans and Trump.

Posted by: runner at July 26, 2020 01:12 PM (zr5Kq)

137 I read a book one time about Gurkhas in WWII. It included an incident in which a bullet ricocheted off a Gurkha's skull and killed an English officer.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at July 26, 2020 01:13 PM (+y/Ru)

138 runner I sure would like to know who is the one that sends the talking points around.

Search George Soros color revolution.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 26, 2020 01:12 PM (ZLI7S)

the collective...

Posted by: runner at July 26, 2020 01:13 PM (zr5Kq)

139 123 Weaselllllllllllllllllllllllllllll.
Posted by: Braenyard at July 26, 2020 01:01 PM (lkl+P)
----
This Weasel, go ahead, over.
Posted by: Weasel at July 26, 2020 01:04 PM (MVjcR)

No no no, you have to war-movie it up. Like so: "Weasel one-niner-three actual, go ahead, over."

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at July 26, 2020 01:15 PM (NWiLs)

140 Well I never been to Agra
But I've been to Oklahoma

Posted by: Three Dog Night at July 26, 2020 01:16 PM (wPVhA)

141 I remember how George Harrison's Concert for Bangladesh totally made it a modern functioning country.

I may have done a lot of drugs too, but who's keeping score?

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at July 26, 2020 01:17 PM (YxRHs)

142 >>the collective...

What's happening in the US right with groups like BLM and antifa is a classic Soros color revolution. He has been running the same script in countries around the world for years.

Serbia, Georgia, Turkey and of course Ukraine were all financed, assisted and engineered by Soros and his Open Society Foundation. He's now doing it here and it's not a conspiracy theory.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 26, 2020 01:17 PM (ZLI7S)

143 No, zombie, it wasn't disastrous, it was exactly the right thing to do, and worked out just fine.

The world changes, you adapt. At any given moment, you make your call on what serves your interests best. If things change later, you change.

India didn't need to be "courted" by the USSR, Moscow was the natural and only available counterweight to Chi-Nah in the period under discussion. India made its call, we did the obvious and logical (and successful) call in return.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 26, 2020 01:17 PM (OTzUX)

144 Not sure where Indians residing in the US (many of whom are muslims, India hosts 10% of world's muslim population - 200 million plus) stand on conservatism, Republicans and Trump.
Posted by: runner

Indians-Americans are a solid Republican voting bloc. At least here in California. Much of the Republican Party in Silicon Valley is Indian. They scoff at Political Correctness. Indians in the US are generally pro-business, and personally conservative.

Of course the younger generation sometimes gets infected with college brainwashing, but they're good at resisting it usually.

Posted by: zombie at July 26, 2020 01:18 PM (HEEq1)

145
"Safe and secure voting."^^^
1) Armed National Guard troops outside of every polling pace.2) National Voter ID card3) Dip your thumb in inedible ink upon casting your vote

Posted by: Old Dude at July 26, 2020 01:18 PM (LGXGf)

146 But even such stalwarts as Germany, Japan, and South Korea needlessly remain dependent despite decades as U.S. allies. All three believe that it is Washington's job to protect them.

I don't think it's quite fair to include Japan as a parasite here. Japan spends a hefty proportion of GDP on defense (6%, IIRC), about the same as we do. Their forces are (I understand) also well-trained and well-equipped.

Also recall that South Korea sent troops to fight with ours in Vietnam.

Now Germany is a waste of space, granted.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 26, 2020 01:18 PM (eqpxU)

147 >>>No need even for triangulation when it comes to Pakistan and jihadism.
Posted by: rhomboid at July 26, 2020 01:12 PM (OTzUX)

Yer breaking my fantasy.

Posted by: Braenyard at July 26, 2020 01:18 PM (lkl+P)

148 Man Comes Home, Finds Out Antifa Destroyed The Starbucks Under His Apartment And He's Not Allowed In Because Of "An Explosive Device"

-
All peaceful protests include explosives.

P.S. If they burn all the starbucks, where will all the philosophy and women's studies majors find employment?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at July 26, 2020 01:18 PM (+y/Ru)

149
P.S. If they burn all the starbucks, where will all the philosophy and women's studies majors find employment?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at July 26, 2020 01:18 PM (+y/Ru)

And where will homeless heroin addicts shoot up? This has far-reaching societal sequelae that cannot be ignored.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at July 26, 2020 01:19 PM (NWiLs)

150 Indian-Americans are a solid Republican voting bloc. At least here in California. Much of the Republican Party in Silicon Valley is Indian. They scoff at Political Correctness. Indians in the US are generally pro-business, and personally conservative.

Posted by: zombie at July 26, 2020 01:18 PM (HEEq1)

I wonder what they make of Seattle's commie councilman, Kshama Sawant.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 26, 2020 01:19 PM (eqpxU)

151 P.S. If they burn all the starbucks, where will all the philosophy and women's studies majors find employment?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at July 26, 2020 01:18 PM (+y/Ru)

Hot beverage engineers hardest hit.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 26, 2020 01:20 PM (eqpxU)

152 Whiskey-Echo-Alpha-Sierra-Echo-Lima!

Posted by: Little Admiral Kristol at July 26, 2020 01:20 PM (EgshT)

153 134 I will cheer when Nanzi Pelosi dyes.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at July 26, 2020 01:12 PM (pw+j

I'm pretty sure she dyes. Most people aren't naturally non-grey at her age.

Posted by: Emmie at July 26, 2020 01:20 PM (+ljgK)

154 P.S. If they burn all the starbucks, where will all the philosophy and women's studies majors find employment?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at July 26, 2020 01:18 PM

Happy Fun Camp staff, duh!

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 26, 2020 01:20 PM (DMUuz)

155 153 134 I will cheer when Nanzi Pelosi dyes.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at July 26, 2020 01:12 PM (pw+j

I'm pretty sure she dyes. Most people aren't naturally non-grey at her age.
Posted by: Emmie at July 26, 2020 01:20 PM (+ljgK)

Not really much to cheer about, in either case.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at July 26, 2020 01:21 PM (NWiLs)

156 Now Germany is a waste of space, granted.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 26, 2020 01:18 PM (eqpxU)

---------

If Germans can't take Alsace-Lorraine they lose all interest in things military.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 26, 2020 01:21 PM (wPVhA)

157 India didn't need to be "courted" by the USSR,
Moscow was the natural and only available counterweight to Chi-Nah in
the period under discussion. India made its call, we did the obvious
and logical (and successful) call in return.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 26, 2020 01:17 PM (OTzUX)

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India at independence was obsessed with Socialism and convinced Moscow had all the answers.

They also hated the West, which they identified with Britain.

India led the Non-Aligned Movement, claimed to be neutral, but hewed close to the Soviet "anti-imperialism" line.

Worth noting that India actually has combat-experienced officers, thanks to Pakistan. China's last serious fight was against Vietnam in 1979 and they got humiliated.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 26, 2020 01:21 PM (cfSRQ)

158 Also recall that South Korea sent troops to fight with ours in Vietnam.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 26, 2020 01:18 PM (eqpxU)

Everybody I've met w/any experience spoke highly of ROK troops....dedicated killers.

Posted by: BignJames at July 26, 2020 01:22 PM (X/Pw5)

159 IF the Germans can't march through Paris every hundred years, they get cranky.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 26, 2020 01:22 PM (kgUrq)

160
134 I will cheer when Nanzi Pelosi dyes.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at July 26, 2020 01:12 PM (pw+j

I'm pretty sure she dyes. Most people aren't naturally non-grey at her age.

Posted by: Emmie at July 26, 2020 01:20 PM (+ljgK)
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I knew I was not going to get away with that lapse. Proofreading is your friend. I should learn how to do that.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at July 26, 2020 01:22 PM (pw+jk)

161 Man Comes Home, Finds Out Antifa Destroyed The
Starbucks Under His Apartment And He's Not Allowed In Because Of "An
Explosive Device"

-

All peaceful protests include explosives.

P.S. If they burn all the starbucks, where will all the philosophy and women's studies majors find employment?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at July 26, 2020 01:18 PM (+y/Ru)

I saw a headline this morning: Portland Police label protests as riots. How could they call the peaceful violence and destruction a riot?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 26, 2020 01:22 PM (Xzbrz)

162 The Hotel Indians are from South Africa, according to my Indian friend.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 26, 2020 01:22 PM (yQpMk)

163 >>>I don't think it's quite fair to include Japan as a parasite here. Japan spends a hefty proportion of GDP on defense (6%, IIRC), about the same as we do. Their forces are (I understand) also well-trained and well-equipped.

Also recall that South Korea sent troops to fight with ours in Vietnam.

Now Germany is a waste of space, granted.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 26, 2020 01:18 PM (eqpxU)

They will fight at night
They don't require beer breaks
and are probably still
vicious little bastards.

Posted by: Braenyard at July 26, 2020 01:22 PM (lkl+P)

164 The Soviet Union courted India as an ally, and India responded positively; they never went full commie,

India was strongly socialist for many years, including during that period. It was only later that they became more Western- and capitalism-oriented.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 26, 2020 01:22 PM (eqpxU)

165 Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 26, 2020 01:10 PM (DMUuz)
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Yep, I noticed that right after I clicked send. I have failed.

Posted by: Weasel at July 26, 2020 01:23 PM (MVjcR)

166
F*ck H1-B!

While it lives, they can take on China alone.

Posted by: Sapwolf at July 26, 2020 01:23 PM (nuv3n)

167 IF the Germans can't march through Paris every hundred years, they get cranky.
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 26, 2020 01:22 PM (kgUrq)

hahah! how about invading Russia...we there yet ?

Posted by: runner at July 26, 2020 01:23 PM (zr5Kq)

168 I wonder what they make of Seattle's commie councilman, Kshama Sawant.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 26, 2020 01:19 PM (eqpxU)

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When you say "Indian" it's like saying "European."

Lots and lots of subgroups. Not monolithic in any way sense or form.

I surmise that lower castes like socialism while the upper castes are all about the market.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 26, 2020 01:23 PM (cfSRQ)

169 143 No, zombie, it wasn't disastrous, it was exactly the right thing to do, and worked out just fine.

The world changes, you adapt. At any given moment, you make your call on what serves your interests best. If things change later, you change.

India didn't need to be "courted" by the USSR, Moscow was the natural and only available counterweight to Chi-Nah in the period under discussion. India made its call, we did the obvious and logical (and successful) call in return.

Posted by: rhomboid

Well, it was one of those "deal with the devil" situations. As were many of our Cold War alliances, in which we sided with strongmen and warlords just so long as they promised to be anti-Soviet. It was good from a Truman Doctrine perspective, but from 30,000 feet had so many toxic side-effects that in the long run it's debatable whether or not it helped the US's international standing.

Of course, I'm saying this from the comfort of a world where the USSR no longer exists -- possibly as a partial consequence of all these "deal with the devil" alliances all adding up to topple to communist leadership. And maybe if we HADN'T hooked up with Pakistan and the mujahideen and Banana Republic dictators and so forth, the Soviets might have spread the influence worldwide and WON the Cold War.

So I admit that's an argument t be made on both sides.

Discuss.

Posted by: zombie at July 26, 2020 01:23 PM (HEEq1)

170 No no no, you have to war-movie it up. Like so: "Weasel one-niner-three actual, go ahead, over."
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at July 26, 2020 01:15 PM (NWiLs)
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I like it! It's classy!

Posted by: Weasel at July 26, 2020 01:24 PM (MVjcR)

171 I was on the phone with the complex office the other day, and realized that after being out of the Army since '85 I still use the same letter-word thing I learned so long ago.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at July 26, 2020 01:24 PM (YxRHs)

172 Yep, I noticed that right after I clicked send. I have failed.
Posted by: Weasel at July 26, 2020 01:23 PM (MVjcR)

You have brought shame to your family and disgrace upon your ancestors. Welcome to the club.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at July 26, 2020 01:24 PM (NWiLs)

173 >IF the Germans can't march through Paris every hundred years, they get cranky.

that's why the streets of Paris are lined with trees
Germans like marching in the shade

Posted by: DB- just DB. at July 26, 2020 01:24 PM (iTXRQ)

174 hahah! how about invading Russia...we there yet ?

That rest stop before Moscow is a killer.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 26, 2020 01:24 PM (kgUrq)

175 Nanzi will still be alive when Baron Trump is the 53 President

Posted by: Skip at July 26, 2020 01:24 PM (6f16T)

176 hahah! how about invading Russia...we there yet ?
Posted by: runner at July 26, 2020 01:23 PM (zr5Kq)

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They're one for two on beating Russia. They need a tie-breaker round.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 26, 2020 01:25 PM (wPVhA)

177 You have brought shame to your family and disgrace upon your ancestors. Welcome to the club.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at July 26, 2020 01:24 PM (NWiLs)
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Well, coming from a long line of Weasels, it ain't the first time!

Posted by: Weasel at July 26, 2020 01:25 PM (MVjcR)

178 Everybody I've met w/any experience spoke highly of ROK troops....dedicated killers.
Posted by: BignJames at July 26, 2020 01:22 PM (X/Pw5)

My father was an advisor to the ROK Marine Corps in 1965, a year he spent in South Korea.

They're tough little bastards, by all accounts. If a private got out of line, no Captain's Mast or any of that crap. Three tough ROK Marine NCOs would visit the malefactor in the brig and beat him to a pulp. Message delivered and received.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 26, 2020 01:25 PM (eqpxU)

179 Now Germany is a waste of space, granted.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 26, 2020 01:18 PM

When filling a dirndl nicely is an exception, of course.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 26, 2020 01:25 PM (DMUuz)

180 177 You have brought shame to your family and disgrace upon your ancestors. Welcome to the club.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at July 26, 2020 01:24 PM (NWiLs)
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Well, coming from a long line of Weasels, it ain't the first time!
Posted by: Weasel at July 26, 2020 01:25 PM (MVjcR)

Apparently I've been doing that since I was about 5 years old, and I'm not even of mustelid lineage. Guess I was born to overacheive.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at July 26, 2020 01:26 PM (NWiLs)

181 RIP: Olivia de Havilland

Aww. Apropos of nothing, I watched GWTW yesterday.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 26, 2020 01:27 PM (yQpMk)

182 Now Germany is a waste of space, granted.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 26, 2020 01:18 PM

Que?

Posted by: Manuel at July 26, 2020 01:27 PM (NWiLs)

183 ----
Yep, I noticed that right after I clicked send. I have failed.
Posted by: Weasel at July 26, 2020 01:23 PM (MVjcR)

You do have plenty of O2 canisters up there, I trust.

Posted by: Braenyard at July 26, 2020 01:27 PM (lkl+P)

184 Basil, "Don't mention the war."

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 26, 2020 01:27 PM (kgUrq)

185 10 It's not often we hear about it but India often is clashing with its neighbors, often boundary arguments.
Posted by: Skip at July 26, 2020 12:07 PM (6f16T)

Kashmir

All this fighting going on over goats that make snuggly sweaters.

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at July 26, 2020 01:28 PM (e1mEI)

186 A Sunday feel good story. Someone hired some buses to carry an antifa group to Weatherford Texas to tear down a statue of Jeff Davis. The bus was met by 600, well armed residents. The good people of Weatherford had a paddy wagon with Clinton and Obama inside and was being driven by PDT as they turned the whole thing into a parade.

Pantifa loaded themselves back on those buses and got out of town.

The good part is we are going to be able to find out who paid for the buses.

Posted by: Ben Had at July 26, 2020 01:28 PM (eBJ9w)

187 182 Now Germany is a waste of space, granted.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 26, 2020 01:18 PM

Que?
Posted by: Manuel at July 26, 2020 01:27 PM (NWiLs)

I meant, of countries that could be worth a damn, they fall short. Mexico is not in that class, unfortunately. It's been a dumpster fire forever.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 26, 2020 01:29 PM (eqpxU)

188 Baboo or the Hyakowies?

Posted by: PDT at July 26, 2020 01:29 PM (QMwOT)

189 Will the media in their obits of Ms. de Havilland even mention Gone With The Wind?

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 26, 2020 01:29 PM (kgUrq)

190 that's why the streets of Paris are lined with trees

Germans like marching in the shade

Posted by: DB- just DB. at July 26, 2020 01:24 PM (iTXRQ)

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My great-grandfather marched under the Arc de Triomphe in 1919.

Americans ftw!

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 26, 2020 01:29 PM (cfSRQ)

191 Oh, let the sun beat down upon my face.

Posted by: Little Admiral Kristol at July 26, 2020 01:29 PM (EgshT)

192 They are toting Lewis' corpse across the Pettus Bridge in Selma.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 26, 2020 01:31 PM (yQpMk)

193 Apropos of nothing, I watched GWTW yesterday.
Posted by: Grump928(C)

And what will you do for penance?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at July 26, 2020 01:31 PM (+y/Ru)

194 ...State Department policy has been hijacked to support far leftist positions that make no sense to American interests. Globalism vs Nationalism.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 26, 2020 12:42 PM (ZLI7S)
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I'm happy to see Fiona Hil's name popping up all over Twitter. She and Marie Yovanovich deserve a comeuppance.

Posted by: IrishEi at July 26, 2020 01:31 PM (sGotD)

195 >>>Pantifa loaded themselves back on those buses and got out of town.

The good part is we are going to be able to find out who paid for the buses.
Posted by: Ben Had at July 26, 2020 01:28 PM (eBJ9w)

We need glorious video.

Posted by: Braenyard at July 26, 2020 01:31 PM (lkl+P)

196 191 Oh, let the sun beat down upon my face.
Posted by: Little Admiral Kristol at July 26, 2020 01:29 PM (EgshT)

Meet my baseball bat. I named her Sun.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at July 26, 2020 01:32 PM (NWiLs)

197 What happens if they stumble and the corpse goes overboard?

What if the procession gets carjacked?

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 26, 2020 01:32 PM (kgUrq)

198 We're over 100 so I'm going OT. I learned something new yesterday. I caught part of an interview with former AG Mike Mukasey. It was such a throw away comment I almost missed it. He said that arson is a RICO predicate.

So as far as I'm concerned, I hope the Antifa kiddies set as many fires as possible and brag about it on Facebook, get caught on camera and make a big old mess.

I can't guarantee a motivation to prosecute among those that decide, but that's certainly an opportunity.

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Low Glycemic Souls at July 26, 2020 01:32 PM (Wm5SB)

199 And what will you do for penance?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at July 26, 2020 01:31 PM (+y/Ru)

My entire life is fucking penance for sins I didn't even commit

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at July 26, 2020 01:32 PM (NWiLs)

200 Selma is a shithole. My inlaws live in Dallas County so I am forced to go there several times a year. Dallas County is the fastest shrinking county in Alabama.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 26, 2020 01:32 PM (yQpMk)

201 I'll have an order of 12 curry hot wings and on a bed of naan. And a beer.

Suck it, Naany Cuomo!

Posted by: Fritz at July 26, 2020 01:32 PM (PBghA)

202 They are toting Lewis' corpse across the Pettus Bridge in Selma.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 26, 2020 01:31 PM (yQpMk)***
And how many cities are on this one's tour?

Posted by: Old Dude at July 26, 2020 01:33 PM (LGXGf)

203 P.S. If they burn all the starbucks, where will all the philosophy and women's studies majors find employment?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at July 26, 2020 01:18 PM (+y/Ru)
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I don't know about philosophy majors. There are extremely few of them in any case.

But Grievance Studies majors will find plenty of jobs in HR and PR departments. The great Diversity racket, which has infected every American institution, employs a lot of people, many of them very well paid.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at July 26, 2020 01:33 PM (M/9m0)

204 I'll have an order of 12 curry hot wings and on a bed of naan.

That is NOT food!!! Stay safe.

Posted by: A Scold of Karens at July 26, 2020 01:34 PM (EgshT)

205 Braenyard, Supposedly this is on facebook somewhere.

Posted by: Ben Had at July 26, 2020 01:34 PM (eBJ9w)

206 They are toting Lewis' corpse across the Pettus Bridge in Selma.

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Swing low, sweet Cadillac, coming for to carry me home.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at July 26, 2020 01:35 PM (+y/Ru)

207 Shockingly, Dallas County is not the poorest in Alabama, ranking 61st out of 67.

I guess the paper mills help.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 26, 2020 01:35 PM (yQpMk)

208 Yeah, I belong to the third generation club.

Posted by: Braenyard at July 26, 2020 01:36 PM (lkl+P)

209 Now Germany is a waste of space, granted.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

Sigh...well maybe except for Oktoberfest.
I was cleaning out the shed yesterday and cam across a bunch of crap from my Army days. Included was a set of pictures of the initial GDP (fighting positions) positions my unit anticipated occupying if the balloon ever when up. Assuming we made it out of the barracks.
I bought a bier mug from each village gasthaus. I have a great collection.

Posted by: Diogenes at July 26, 2020 01:37 PM (axyOa)

210 Shouldn't lefty refugees coming to your area to escape what they caused, be encouraged to keep on moving to the nearest blue state?

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at July 26, 2020 01:38 PM (YxRHs)

211 GTTW isn't long for this world thats for sure

Posted by: Skip at July 26, 2020 01:38 PM (6f16T)

212 171 I was on the phone with the complex office the other day, and realized that after being out of the Army since '85 I still use the same letter-word thing I learned so long ago.
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at July 26, 2020 01:24 PM (YxRHs)

I use NATO alphabet to spell on the phone when talking to the English challenged. It is my last ditch effort to get through to them. It usually ends up cratering any further progress but is a fun way to end the conversation.
Sierra Alfa Delta.

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at July 26, 2020 01:38 PM (e1mEI)

213 IIRC, the expected lifespan of a US tank in the Fulda Gap was 45 minutes.

Grim.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 26, 2020 01:39 PM (yQpMk)

214 Zulu or Zed?

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 26, 2020 01:39 PM (kgUrq)

215
Dip your thumb in inedible ink upon casting your vote

Do you bite your thumb at me, sir?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 26, 2020 01:39 PM (aKsyK)

216 M-60A3 or M-1?

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 26, 2020 01:40 PM (kgUrq)

217 M-60A3 or M-1?

Yeah, I think that was pre-M1.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 26, 2020 01:40 PM (yQpMk)

218 Gettin' awful damn hot in this here box.

Posted by: Zombie John Lewis at July 26, 2020 01:40 PM (EgshT)

219 Best Indian Restaurant sitcom scene ever is from the show Rules of Engagement.

Adam orders the #12 level Vindaloo.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at July 26, 2020 01:40 PM (2DOZq)

220 I'm dashing this off before heading to the park with my daughter, so forgive me if the points I'm about to make have already been made, and maybe better than I can. I've only read CBD's comments, not the linked article. Ducks well-deserved rotten fruit and ampersands.
It's important to remember that our supine allies were very much creatures of our own making. The problem with allies possessed of the strength and the independence to pull their own weight is that they can just as easily choose to pull against us when our interests conflict. We're at the opposite extreme, now, so the problems with that state of affairs seem vague and indistinct, but in 1945 it looked like, on the basis of the last 30 years (and maybe the last 300 years) of evidence, allowing Western European countries (+ Japan) to pursue their own foreign policies was... inadvisable. Unity of decision making (meaning, ideally, "we make the decisions, you carry them out") seemed more and more important as the implications of the nuclear age became apparent. We wrote pacifism directly in to Japan's constitution. We suffered mighty angst (and endured a lot of Soviet-thrown propaganda egg on our face) at the thought of re-arming Western Germany.

In light of the Soviet threat, we allowed our allies to re-grow their strength but worked hard to constrain their independence. This is party of why France was so dissatisfied with NATO. They correctly ascertained that it was meant to restrict the freedom of action of its European members.

The problem now is that what started as a conscious strategy sweetened with some feel-good internationalism-and-brotherhood pablum hardened into an unexamined assumption for the next generation of foreign-policy people. The generation(s) after them, thanks in part to their exquisite "educations," actually believed the pablum, and forgot that foreign policy must change to follow the national interest.
I also thought it was a little odd that, with the exception of Germany, the countries name-checked in the post were ones that have been exceptions to the rule. Japan is laboring mightily to rebuild its military strength given the constraints of their domestic political situation. South Korea never let its strength flag, and the problems we're having with them lately are due to policy differences with the current government (so maybe more independence than we'd like, again). France also is quite capable (the only country outside the US to have a CVN, until the Chinese get around to building one), and quite active; once again the issue there is that they have different notions of what's in their national interest.
Okay, that's long enough. The 3-year-old is rearranging the furniture. May Pixy have mercy upon my carriage returns.

Posted by: Directrix Gazer at July 26, 2020 01:40 PM (W/L2T)

221 >>>They are toting Lewis' corpse across the Pettus Bridge in Selma.<<<

Is there video of the Ghana dancing pallbearers available? This party ain't over yet!

Posted by: Fritz at July 26, 2020 01:41 PM (PBghA)

222 I see Pixy is not in a merciful mood, today.

Posted by: Directrix Gazer at July 26, 2020 01:41 PM (W/L2T)

223 USPS reports that my 1/35 scale Bandai Earth Federation Forces M61A5 MBT will arrive tomorrow.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 26, 2020 01:42 PM (kgUrq)

224 NATO exists to keep the Russians out, the Americans in, and the Germans down.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 26, 2020 01:42 PM (yQpMk)

225 223 USPS reports that my 1/35 scale Bandai Earth Federation Forces M61A5 MBT will arrive tomorrow.
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 26, 2020 01:42 PM (kgUrq)

NERRRRRD!!!

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at July 26, 2020 01:42 PM (NWiLs)

226 Indians, many of them grow up speaking English, so thier minds aren't fvcked up.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 26, 2020 01:43 PM (JvZF+)

227 It ain't a party without the Mandela funeral sign language guy and the dancing pallbearers from Ghana.

A New Orleans jazz type funeral might be too much however.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 26, 2020 01:43 PM (kgUrq)

228 Weatherford, TX,
If rough language or the sight of Confederate Flags co-mingled with American flags offends you,
Do Not Watch This.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1287397471585435649

Posted by: Braenyard at July 26, 2020 01:44 PM (lkl+P)

229
If they burn all the starbucks, where will all the philosophy and women's studies majors find employment?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at July 26, 2020 01:18 PM (+y/Ru)

Hot beverage engineers hardest hit.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 26, 2020 01:20 PM (eqpxU)

Dunkin' Donuts, but they'd have to hop to it. The upside? DD hasn't declared their restrooms as all-you-can-do shooting galleries.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at July 26, 2020 01:44 PM (pNxlR)

230 Every government or specific military project outlives it's intended purposes.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at July 26, 2020 01:45 PM (2DOZq)

231 IIRC, the expected lifespan of a US tank in the Fulda Gap was 45 minutes.

Grim.

Posted by: Grump928(C)

I think in light of Desert Storm, it may of been a bit better. DS shook the crap out of the Russian General Staff. Their tanks (and the Chinese variant) sucked. Had the Iraqis used their artillery properly, it may have made a difference of, oh say about a day, but they didn't. Russian artillery tactics weren't all that great either.
The real worry in Germany in the Cold War was getting gassed or nuked while still in garrison. That would have been bad. Very bad.

Posted by: Diogenes at July 26, 2020 01:45 PM (axyOa)

232 Vindaloo when prepared truly spicy is a GI killer.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at July 26, 2020 01:46 PM (H5knJ)

233
OK, here's a nominee for worst product concept of all time:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4yOtuqMplU

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 26, 2020 01:47 PM (g5Xlv)

234 Since we're going off-topic:

I witnessed an incident yesterday that, on the surface, might seem trivial, but to me it indicated a major development in American society -- and not in a good way.

Here's what happened:

I like going to garage sales, yard sales, estate sales, etc., and hinting for bargains. But this goddamn Covid-19 nonsense has obliterated the garage sale landscape -- there used to be hundreds of them every weekend, and nowadays there are just a handful if you're lucky -- sometimes there are none at all in my area.

So when I saw there was a big estate sale announced for yesterday nearby, I jumped at the chance.

As did everyone else -- it was packed. Masks required. And a waiting line to pay.

So I was in line, and the person in front of me went up to pay. She was a black woman. The people running the estate sale were white.

And the following conversation happened:

"How much for all this jewelry?"

"Hmmmm, well, let's see, hmmm, you're got some nice pieces. All combined, I'll let you have it for $60."

"Nuh uh. I want a 90% discount."

"Wha--?????" (Flummoxed.)

"I saw you giving discounts to all them white ladies."

"Yes, we're giving about 25% off on everything now because it's the end of the day. I already incorporated that into the $60 price I offered."

"Are you going to treat me different because of the color f my skin? Really? I want 90% discount, just like you gave discount to those white ladies."

"B-b-but..."

"Really? You really going to treat me different? Seriously?"

"Uh..... (Paralyzed by fear of being accused of racism.) OK, Six dollars total."

"I THOUGHT so." (Slaps down $6 and scoops up the jewelry. Mumbles dire accusations under her breath as she leaves.)

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This is the future. In any interpersonal encounter or conflict, the race card will ALWAYS be played, and the white person will ALWASY be forced to back down, even if the demands are outrageous. Not just in headline-worthy showdowns involving corporations or universities or large mobs, but in every minor daily one-of-one situations.

Posted by: zombie at July 26, 2020 01:47 PM (HEEq1)

235 >>I'm happy to see Fiona Hil's name popping up all over Twitter. She and Marie Yovanovich deserve a comeuppance.

And it just so happens that Igor Danchenko, the Primary Sub-Source for the Steele dossier was mentored by Fiona Hill at Brookings.

The involvement of Brookings and the State Department in both the Russia hoax and the Ukraine hoax are not a coincidence.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 26, 2020 01:47 PM (ZLI7S)

236 I think in light of Desert Storm, it may of been a bit better. DS shook the crap out of the Russian General Staff.

We had not just air superiority but air supremacy in Desert Storm. An advantage we have perhaps gotten overly used to. Along with light casualties.

I wonder how the American people would react these days if we lost five or six thousand troops in a single engagement.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 26, 2020 01:47 PM (yQpMk)

237 I witnessed an incident yesterday that, on the surface, might seem trivial, but to me it indicated a major development in American society -- and not in a good way.

==

that is not a good sell...

Posted by: runner at July 26, 2020 01:47 PM (zr5Kq)

238 hinting for bargains = hunting for bargains

Posted by: zombie at July 26, 2020 01:47 PM (HEEq1)

239 220---......In light of the Soviet threat, we allowed our allies to re-grow their strength but worked hard to constrain their independence. This is party of why France was so dissatisfied with NATO. They correctly ascertained that it was meant to restrict the freedom of action of its European members.

The problem now is that what started as a conscious strategy sweetened with some feel-good internationalism-and-brotherhood pablum hardened into an unexamined assumption for the next generation of foreign-policy people. The generation(s) after them, thanks in part to their exquisite "educations," actually believed the pablum, and forgot that foreign policy must change to follow the national interest....
Posted by: Directrix Gazer at July 26, 2020 01:40 PM (W/L2T)
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Very well put.
Great summary.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at July 26, 2020 01:48 PM (M/9m0)

240 Not watching pro sports will be . . . RACISTS! MARK MY WORDS!

Posted by: Unkaren at July 26, 2020 01:48 PM (vGJY7)

241 Zombie,

Was this SF? So white guilt lefty sheep

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 26, 2020 01:48 PM (kgUrq)

242 192
They are toting Lewis' corpse across the Pettus Bridge in Selma.

Whatever will they do when the last of their fake heroes from the Civil Rights era is finally gone?

Posted by: pep at July 26, 2020 01:49 PM (v16oJ)

243
RIP: Olivia de Havilland

That leaves the SPAD as the last capable of air combat WWI plane, am I right?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at July 26, 2020 01:49 PM (pNxlR)

244 Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 26, 2020 01:47 PM (yQpMk)

We have become so risk averse that any war casualty is one casualty too many.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at July 26, 2020 01:50 PM (2DOZq)

245 I've worked with troop from the Balkans, and while they aren't military powerhouses, I think it's still useful to have them as allies, and possibly moreso than places like Germany. Let's be honest...most Western European nations aren't military powerhouses either. The US does most of the heavy lifting, and other nations are more for political cover or support.

The difference is, Balkans nations and other, poorer nations are eager to support the US and show they have capabilites. Western European armies act like they are our equals, hold things up politically, and don't care about supporting our goals (and, in fact, score points domestically for fucking the US).

While I was in the Balkans, the US tried to steer those nations into specialty fields, like EOD, where they could deploy relatively modest force packages that had larger impact, freeing us up to focus on other areas.

Posted by: Smart Military Blogger Guy at July 26, 2020 01:50 PM (6K3U5)

246 Let's not reinvent Hurtgenwald. Once was bad enough.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 26, 2020 01:50 PM (kgUrq)

247
Not watching pro sports will be . . . RACISTS! MARK MY WORDS!
Posted by: Unkaren at July 26, 2020 01:48 PM (vGJY7)

Fine.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at July 26, 2020 01:50 PM (pNxlR)

248 Zombie,

Was this SF? So white guilt lefty sheep
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 26, 2020 01:48 PM (kgUrq)

yes. they deserve to be swindled.

Posted by: runner at July 26, 2020 01:51 PM (zr5Kq)

249 "...Trump's sensible demands for increased burden-sharing, his perspective, however maladroitly expressed, reflects the common sense of average Americans who pay the bills."

C'mon man, get over it.

Posted by: DR.WTF at July 26, 2020 12:12 PM (AiZBA)

I really hate the emphasis on "tone" over substance that Trump seems to bring out in people. Bluntness works and it really works well for the President.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at July 26, 2020 01:52 PM (nAiE/)

250 It has not rained yet here for the first time in a week.

I had to dash out and mow around the front of the house while I could.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 26, 2020 01:52 PM (yQpMk)

251
"Here's your discount, sweetie. It's a quarter. Now you can call someone who gives a shit."

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 26, 2020 01:52 PM (g5Xlv)

252 USPS reports that my 1/35 scale Bandai Earth Federation Forces M61A5 MBT will arrive tomorrow.
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 26, 2020 01:42 PM

We're ready.

Posted by: M72 LAW at July 26, 2020 01:53 PM (DMUuz)

253 I wonder how the American people would react these days if we lost five or six thousand troops in a single engagement.
Posted by: Grump928(C)

Harry Reid answered that back with the 'war is lost' comment.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at July 26, 2020 01:53 PM (crGCi)

254 241 Zombie,

Was this SF? So white guilt lefty sheep
Posted by: Anna Puma

The SF Bay Area.

The sale givers were not overt lefties -- but they obviously knew the general zeitgeist around here. They knew they couldn't get into an argument with this woman, or they'd be in the papers tomorrow as the next Racist White People and become the focus of the online mobs. Better to cave, and lose a bit of money, than get involved in the race-lunacy sweeping the nation.

Posted by: zombie at July 26, 2020 01:53 PM (HEEq1)

255 "Here's your discount, sweetie. It's a quarter. Now you can call someone who gives a shit."
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 26, 2020 01:52 PM (g5Xlv)

Pretty much what I would do.

Posted by: runner at July 26, 2020 01:54 PM (zr5Kq)

256 I wonder how the American people would react these days if we lost five or six thousand troops in a single engagement.
Posted by: Grump928(C)

It could very easily cause us to cower and withdraw from whatever action was afoot. (Not with Trump, but certainly within Congress)
I suspect many of our future enemies are planning along these lines. No 9/1, but attack The military. Say an Army base? Sink a naval ship? Yeah. The media could spin that nicely for the foes.

Posted by: Diogenes at July 26, 2020 01:55 PM (axyOa)

257 The sale givers were not overt lefties -- but they obviously knew the general zeitgeist around here. They knew they couldn't get into an argument with this woman, or they'd be in the papers tomorrow as the next Racist White People and become the focus of the online mobs. Better to cave, and lose a bit of money, than get involved in the race-lunacy sweeping the nation.
Posted by: zombie at July 26, 2020 01:53 PM (HEEq1)

*sigh

what about calling the bitch a liar and a swindler ?

Posted by: runner at July 26, 2020 01:55 PM (zr5Kq)

258 Grandma was 100% Kiowa Indian, That makes me 25% or so I guess, I haven't filled out the Census yet but I'm gonna check that box. Why not? Grandama left the Rez at 17 and never looked back. She was a rebel and a boss.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at July 26, 2020 01:55 PM (YxRHs)

259 and a racist , because that is what she is.

Posted by: runner at July 26, 2020 01:55 PM (zr5Kq)

260 Happy birthday AtC, wherever you are.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 26, 2020 01:57 PM (tBimT)

261 M72 has been phased out for years.

Now it is the AT-4 and better watch your eyes or part of the plastic cover will try to blind you when you pull the trigger.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 26, 2020 01:57 PM (kgUrq)

262 Zombie long ago, maybe 20 years at least at work of large house they had a black housekeeper. Was doing work there and she tried to tell me my job as she thought I had to do it but had another way. It didn't take long for her to to toss the race card in the discussion. Had a older guy with me went and found him and told him I'll come back the next day when she wasn't there. Will never forget that incident.

Posted by: Skip at July 26, 2020 01:58 PM (6f16T)

263 Speaking of deliveries, I have the 64oz "Pantry Size" tub of Peanut M&Ms being delivered today. They're probably going to be all soft and melty, damnit.

Posted by: Weasel at July 26, 2020 01:58 PM (MVjcR)

264 255 "Here's your discount, sweetie. It's a quarter. Now you can call someone who gives a shit."
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 26, 2020 01:52 PM (g5Xlv)

Pretty much what I would do.
Posted by: runner

In a fantasy scenario one might say such a thing, but the reality of it was VERY tense and scary. The whole room froze in fear. You could just tell that this woman was moments away from whipping out her iPhone to start recording a YouTube video accusing the sale-givers of racism, and it was on the verge of becoming very ugly.

I probably would have caved too under those circumstances, frankly. You guys might be braver than me.

But even otherwise innocuous unremarkable "incidents" like paying for stuff at a garage sale now can quickly escalate into heart-stopping rage-inducer terror episodes.

Posted by: zombie at July 26, 2020 01:59 PM (HEEq1)

265 Here's a pic of oBama n Bill in Weatherford Jail

https://preview.tinyurl.com/y3ojjl9h

yeah, it's from a blue rag but it's a good pic

Posted by: Braenyard at July 26, 2020 01:59 PM (lkl+P)

266 Fffffuuuuuck....

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at July 26, 2020 01:59 PM (NWiLs)

267 234--- ....and the white person will ALWAYS be forced to back down, even if the demands are outrageous.....

Posted by: zombie at July 26, 2020 01:47 PM (HEEq1)
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Not FORCED in most cases.
That is what is truly sick.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at July 26, 2020 02:00 PM (M/9m0)

268 USPS reports that my 1/35 scale Bandai Earth Federation Forces M61A5 MBT will arrive tomorrow.
Posted by: Anna Puma

Nice !

Have fun, Anna !

Posted by: JT at July 26, 2020 02:01 PM (arJlL)

269 I woulda gone with the 1024oz 'Garage Size' M&Ms but that's just me

sweet tooth

Posted by: DB- just DB. at July 26, 2020 02:01 PM (iTXRQ)

270 *turns on sea-otter live stream*
*feels less murderous*

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at July 26, 2020 02:02 PM (NWiLs)

271 Speaking of deliveries, I have the 64oz "Pantry Size" tub of Peanut M&Ms being delivered today. They're probably going to be all soft and melty, damnit.
Posted by: Weasel

Stick'em in the freezer for a bit.

Good as new !

Posted by: JT at July 26, 2020 02:02 PM (arJlL)

272 But Grievance Studies majors will find plenty of jobs in HR and PR departments. The great Diversity racket, which has infected every American institution, employs a lot of people, many of them very well paid.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at July 26, 2020 01:33 PM (M/9m0)
===

Someone is paying attention!

Posted by: Gilded Age II at July 26, 2020 02:02 PM (BRkq2)

273 I woulda gone with the 1024oz 'Garage Size' M&Ms but that's just me

sweet tooth
Posted by: DB- just DB

Aka, NGU's beemer payment.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 26, 2020 02:02 PM (tBimT)

274 1024oz 'Garage Size' M&Ms
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this thing.... it exists? I must have it!

Posted by: Weasel at July 26, 2020 02:03 PM (MVjcR)

275 Aka, NGU's beemer payment.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 26, 2020 02:02 PM (tBimT)
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Uh, guys... I have a confession to make...

Posted by: Weasel at July 26, 2020 02:03 PM (MVjcR)

276 Fffffuuuuuck....
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo

Didja knock on the wrong door ?

Posted by: JT at July 26, 2020 02:03 PM (arJlL)

277 Weasel toss in the refrigerator

Posted by: Skip at July 26, 2020 02:04 PM (6f16T)

278 Well time to do stuff

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 26, 2020 02:04 PM (kgUrq)

279 Lady at the yard sale should have just gone apeshit on the discount demander

it scares the hell out of people because they don't expect it

Posted by: DB- just DB. at July 26, 2020 02:04 PM (iTXRQ)

280 Nood tools.

Posted by: Baron Munchausen at July 26, 2020 02:04 PM (C1NyB)

281 I got one of those hershey bars with the peanut m&ms in it, wasn't good. I expected whole m&ms but they were broken up. I melted it and put it over some vanilla ice cream

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at July 26, 2020 02:05 PM (YxRHs)

282 President Trump was trying to leverage Russia against China for America the way Nixon played China against Russia.

But Hillary needed a Russian alibi for framing Trump and killing Seth.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at July 26, 2020 02:05 PM (Ndje9)

283 But even otherwise innocuous unremarkable
"incidents" like paying for stuff at a garage sale now can quickly
escalate into heart-stopping rage-inducer terror episodes.

Posted by: zombie at July 26, 2020 01:59 PM (HEEq1)

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Weird, I was at an estate sale yesterday as well.

Black, white all colors as you'd expect from a college town.

Masking was annoying, but no drama, black guy came up and bought something without argument.

I sense that California has created a toxic culture that has not penetrated into the Midwest. Note the lack of riots even in Detroit. We had a few days of mayhem and locals put a stop to it.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 26, 2020 02:05 PM (cfSRQ)

284
I probably would have caved too under those circumstances, frankly. You guys might be braver than me.

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Try "broker than you."

Ain't no way, no how I'm coughing up 60 for 6. The 60 bucks goes in the box, and I'll be g-ddamned monkey's uncle if I let some loudmouthed bee-yotch make off with my kids' money.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 26, 2020 02:05 PM (g5Xlv)

285 Your day could be worse Insom. I lost all my keys yesterday and fob.

Posted by: Infidel at July 26, 2020 02:06 PM (R4aZ2)

286 Sell them bear-spray to use on the Chinks on the Kashmir border!

Posted by: andycanuck at July 26, 2020 02:06 PM (an7Mv)

287 Others have noted that Korea and Japan probably don't belong on the list. Yes, Japan doesn't really do much when the US sends troops abroad. But that's the fault of the constitution that was put in place when the US occupied Japan.

Part of the problem is the disparity in power between the US and pretty much every other country on the globe. A number of countries that you ordinarily wouldn't think of sent troops to Iraq in support of the US-led occupation. But the bulk of the work was still carried out by the Americans (and to a lesser extend the British) simply because the US military is that much more effective than everyone else.

So do we give up on them as allies?

I don't know that it's necessarily such a good idea. It depends to a certain extent on the country. For instance, militarily guaranteeing Ukraine is probably a disaster in the making. But having allies in less precarious locations can be very useful depending on how events play out in the future. If a not that rich country like Romania is willing to send a military contingent to help out when we ask (and they did), then they can be our allies, imo.

Posted by: junior at July 26, 2020 02:07 PM (PTw5h)

288 Indians-Americans are a solid Republican voting bloc. At least here in California. Much of the Republican Party in Silicon Valley is Indian. They scoff at Political Correctness. Indians in the US are generally pro-business, and personally conservative.

Of course the younger generation sometimes gets infected with college brainwashing, but they're good at resisting it usually.
Posted by: zombie at July 26, 2020 01:18 PM (HEEq1)

They are very family oriented. My Indian son in law would never badmouth me even when we disagree politically. Honestly my daughter couldn't have made a better choice.

Posted by: Captain Hate at July 26, 2020 02:08 PM (y7DUB)

289 Well, I know that you guys have gone into a tool thread, but I just wanted to say thanks to the people who prayed for the baptismal service at our church. It all went well; We doubled our attendance and nobody came to arrest us.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 26, 2020 02:09 PM (oDRcK)

290 John Lewis- who is still dead- was wheeled across the Edmund Pettus Bridge on a horse-drawn caisson as part of his funeral demonstration

https://tinyurl.com/y6eotgym

Posted by: DB- just DB. at July 26, 2020 02:09 PM (iTXRQ)

291 Bless you Fenelon!

Posted by: Infidel at July 26, 2020 02:10 PM (R4aZ2)

292 Gravitas (not O'Keefe) does some India based news (in English) .. on the WION youTube channel. They go after China like CNN goes after Trump and patriots, but their attacks are much more fact based.

Some smart guy (?) suggested we need a India/Russia alliance, as opposed to Pakistan/China. It does seem part of the Nixon/China door opening was about keeping a wedge between Russia/China ... but now we (and the world) are going cold on China.

China Russia seem to be aligning a little, I don't have any knowledge on how much. But before the DeepState ran their Trump/Russia PsyOp, even Trump talked of getting along with (detente, more than alliance?) the Russkies.

Some of our other allies seem quite willing to work with Russia (Merkel for sure, Israel to some degree?, others?). idk why Clinton gladly gave/sold military tech to Russia, but the DeepState seemed intent on keeping Trump out of any Russian talks (protecting their grifter's game?, or some globalist agenda?)

Posted by: illiniwek at July 26, 2020 02:12 PM (Cus5s)

293 I lost all my keys yesterday and fob.
Posted by: Infidel at July 26, 2020 02:06 PM (R4aZ2)

Oof. That sucks big time.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at July 26, 2020 02:15 PM (NWiLs)

294
This is the future. In any interpersonal encounter or conflict, the race card will ALWAYS be played, and the white person will ALWASY be forced to back down, even if the demands are outrageous. Not just in headline-worthy showdowns involving corporations or universities or large mobs, but in every minor daily one-of-one situations.
Posted by: zombie at July 26, 2020 01:47 PM (HEEq1)

This is not new. In the eighties I was in college as a single mom working at the local hospital. I went to the public aide office. I was told I qualified for NOTHING. yet the AA person in my English class was bragging how much she made in the chancellors office, a dollar more an hour than me. Her daycare was free, she got pell grants for school, she got food stamps and her apartment was subsidized as well as her electric. She wanted all of us to know how "underprivileged" she was.
So in essence, I got to pay for myself and my son AND the Black single mom in my class and her kid.

Posted by: Cheriebebe at July 26, 2020 02:15 PM (w6A0l)

295
This is the future. In any interpersonal encounter or conflict, the race card will ALWAYS be played, and the white person will ALWASY be forced to back down, even if the demands are outrageous. Not just in headline-worthy showdowns involving corporations or universities or large mobs, but in every minor daily one-of-one situations.
Posted by: zombie at July 26, 2020 01:47 PM (HEEq1)

It will be this way until it stops working. Most estate sales have things tagged with the price. The seller should have simply said the price is $80 as marked, today is the second day of the sale so it's 25% off, and that's the end of it. And next time they likely will. I don't think that's going to be a long lived phenomenon.

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Low Glycemic Souls at July 26, 2020 02:16 PM (Wm5SB)

296 Oooo Infidel, I'm sorry to hear that, that's awful!
Say a prayer to St. Anthony that they will turn up!

Posted by: Cheriebebe at July 26, 2020 02:17 PM (w6A0l)

297 Speaking of India as a potential ally against the ChiComs, Derb in the recent Radio Derb discussed the concept of a Quadruple Entente against them consisting of Russia, Japan, the U.S. and India.

In any case, Russia is not our enemy, despite Adam Schiff's paranoid dreams. They are a potential ally and India and Japan are actual allies.

The enemy is the ChiComs.

Posted by: Steve in Greensboro at July 26, 2020 02:18 PM (Su9Le)

298 293 I lost all my keys yesterday and fob.
Posted by: Infidel at July 26, 2020 02:06 PM (R4aZ2)

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You'll need a loan application if you have to buy a new one.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 26, 2020 02:19 PM (wPVhA)

299 249 "...Trump's ... perspective, however maladroitly expressed..."
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Huge red flag.

The COC China anti-American Republicans apparently think they can turn this into a grift.

Posted by: Gilded Age II at July 26, 2020 02:27 PM (BRkq2)

300 arsenic and old lace is on. It holds up.

Posted by: vivi at July 26, 2020 02:32 PM (11H2y)

301 Whether Prime Minister Modi can drag India into the 21st century

Umm, not sure they really want to be there. Has there even been one good year in the 21st century? The three Trump years would have been great years - if it weren't for the DemonRats doing everything they could to destroy the country during them.

Posted by: An Observation at July 26, 2020 02:51 PM (HafZq)

302 Posted by: Infidel at July 26, 2020 02:10 PM (R4aZ2)

Thanks; God bless you too, Infidel.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 26, 2020 02:53 PM (oDRcK)

303 301 Whether Prime Minister Modi can drag India into the 21st century

Umm, not sure they really want to be there. Has there even been one good year in the 21st century? The three Trump years would have been great years - if it weren't for the DemonRats [and the Republican Party]doing everything they could to destroy the country during them.

Posted by: An Observation at July 26, 2020 02:51 PM (HafZq)

Posted by: Gilded Age II at July 26, 2020 03:03 PM (BRkq2)

304 #300 ^^ "Arsenic and old lace is on.It holds up"

Glad you got underwear that fits,look great on you for your Portland trip.

Posted by: Saf at July 26, 2020 03:19 PM (5IHGB)

305 "Blood and treasure" - a common phrase use by isolationists who see America's superpower status as a constant source of embarrassment and shame and desperately want America to be as weak and as whiny as possible. (And if that means, say, China taking over? The isolationists say, "So be it.")

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 26, 2020 09:21 PM (ejsiI)

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