EMT 7/12/20

So honest question here:

When it finally gets to the Supreme Court, is Roberts going to call the mandate for citizens to buy masks in order to exercise the first amendment a fee or a tax?

Posted by: krakatoa at 06:03 AM




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1 No chance

Posted by: weirdflunky at July 12, 2020 06:01 AM (cknjq)

2 Morning Mouth Breathers

Posted by: weirdflunky at July 12, 2020 06:02 AM (cknjq)

3 Good moring Horde

Posted by: Skip at July 12, 2020 06:02 AM (6f16T)

4 Morning!

I nooded

Posted by: Bruce at July 12, 2020 06:03 AM (vd8XM)

5 Morning, y'all. I wonder what the Founders would make of all this? *psst* *psst* (in a whisper) it's the second one in the list....

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at July 12, 2020 06:05 AM (PiwSw)

6 Our Robed Politburo has become our unelected leaders with final say how a law will be carried out and what that law really means.

Posted by: Skip at July 12, 2020 06:08 AM (6f16T)

7 G'mornin' Horde !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 at July 12, 2020 06:08 AM (0IMgo)

8 Morning all. I just had some delish leftover pot roast thanks to J. Now to nod off in a food coma, be well.

Posted by: Farmer at July 12, 2020 06:11 AM (ej32T)

9 Good morning.

Posted by: Fina at July 12, 2020 06:12 AM (7IeXI)

10 The horde needs to know

What blondes are browned. I am facing a wind

Posted by: Clarence at July 12, 2020 06:13 AM (6WyvU)

11 americanthinker.com/ghislaine maxwells secrets if revealed will be incendiary
https://tinyurl.com/y7rqp58e

IF she doesn't kill herself

Posted by: Skip at July 12, 2020 06:13 AM (6f16T)

12 My niece and her boyfriend own a place in Chicago. Talking with them at lunch yesterday and my wife brings up taking pistol lessons and going to the range and ammo running low.
Their ears perk up and want to know more about what needs to be done to own a gun in Illinois, because...well, ya know, things are getting kinda dicey.

I think some 30 somethings woke up

Posted by: Bruce at July 12, 2020 06:14 AM (vd8XM)

13 Morning, krak!

Posted by: m at July 12, 2020 06:15 AM (UcJxa)

14 is Roberts going to call the mandate for citizens to buy masks in order to exercise the first amendment a fee or a tax?
__________________

He'll call it a public health expenditure to which we all must contribute in the interests of public safety.

It's the price we must pay for the privilege of living in tyr....... er, a democratic republic!

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at July 12, 2020 06:18 AM (k4dH2)

15 >>is Roberts going to call the mandate for citizens to buy masks in order to exercise the first amendment a fee or a tax? Posted by: krakatoa at 06:03 AM

It's not going to come to that. Roberts is going to call for citizens to have masks surgically installed on all Americans.

Not necessarily beautiful, but mutated.

Posted by: Zod at July 12, 2020 06:19 AM (XzT/D)

16 Good morning. I just got back from boat ramp wat hing comet Neowise. Binoculars required and comet lost in dawn at 5:20. Had a nice talk with local police too. Just checking. Comet had a compact nucleus and pencil thin tail. I was going to write 'nice tail and good head', but phrasing, you know.

Posted by: CapeFear at July 12, 2020 06:20 AM (4PDMt)

17 I think only slingshots are legal in Chicago, but check anyway.

Posted by: Skip at July 12, 2020 06:22 AM (6f16T)

18 I hate reading the Sunday morning news..So many shootings in the nearby city and elsewhere. If we only cut the police budget 50 percent, none of this would be reported, and crime would magically go down. win, win.

Posted by: Colin at July 12, 2020 06:27 AM (bhBSF)

19 Good morning all!
Neighbors had a movie screen set up in their driveway for a movie night for the hood. It was fun being surrounded by deplorables.

Posted by: Jmel at July 12, 2020 06:27 AM (bVhJi)

20 When it finally gets to the Supreme Court, is Roberts going to call the mandate for citizens to buy masks in order to exercise the first amendment a fee or a tax?

Yes.

Posted by: jsg at July 12, 2020 06:29 AM (7Aqam)

21 I think only slingshots are legal in Chicago, but check anyway.
Posted by: Skip

Right now you need a FOID card like everyone else in Illinois. And a CCL if you remove it from your home.

Posted by: Bruce at July 12, 2020 06:29 AM (vd8XM)

22 Morning all. Happy Sunday. It is Sunday, right?

Posted by: Pete Seria at July 12, 2020 06:32 AM (7ZQe3)

23 Fox's this day in history


https://tinyurl.com/y3pn838j

Posted by: Vic at July 12, 2020 06:33 AM (mpXpK)

24 As the Court held in Jun Horde v. The Beast Master, masks can be mandated under the police powers of the states.

Posted by: Chief Justice John Roberts at July 12, 2020 06:33 AM (H5knJ)

25 Do you live in a suburban community outside of a city? Bite-Me promises to destroy your community.


https://tinyurl.com/y7zlppwg

Posted by: Vic at July 12, 2020 06:33 AM (mpXpK)

26
House communists want $305B for the teacher's unions.


https://tinyurl.com/yc8toeeb

Posted by: Vic at July 12, 2020 06:33 AM (mpXpK)

27 Trump moves to call for ending federal subsidies to the far left indoctrination business known as 'universities'. I love it.


https://tinyurl.com/y7v82j4p

Posted by: Vic at July 12, 2020 06:34 AM (mpXpK)

28 Trump wants that lying Democrat agent who wrote the infamous dossier of lies to be brought to the US and jailed.


https://tinyurl.com/yd74dwhd

Posted by: Vic at July 12, 2020 06:35 AM (mpXpK)

29 Great news. Trump told Min gov who wants $500M of your money to clean up the mess he made in Min to eat shit.


https://tinyurl.com/ybgc7vvk

Posted by: Vic at July 12, 2020 06:35 AM (mpXpK)

30 RAMIREZ


https://tinyurl.com/ybclp3jl


And that's it for today.

Posted by: Vic at July 12, 2020 06:35 AM (mpXpK)

31 House
communists want $305B for the teacher's unions.

They want it so that schools can open "safely"

WTF did the schools do with the money they didn't spend on buses, heating and cooling schools, janitorial etc while the schools were closed?
I know they paid teachers to teach from home, but there's a lot of employees of schools that are not teachers

Posted by: Bruce at July 12, 2020 06:37 AM (vd8XM)

32 30 Great news. Trump told Min gov who wants $500M of your money to clean up the mess he made in Min to eat shit.


https://tinyurl.com/ybgc7vvk
Posted by: Vic at July 12, 2020 06:35 AM (mpXpK)

My favorite story so far today.

Posted by: jsg at July 12, 2020 06:37 AM (7Aqam)

33 Fuck Hildago

Posted by: rhennigantx at July 12, 2020 06:38 AM (JFO2v)

34 WTF did the schools do with the money they didn't spend on buses, heating and cooling schools, janitorial etc while the schools were closed?
I know they paid teachers to teach from home, but there's a lot of employees of schools that are not teachers
Posted by: Bruce at July 12, 2020 06:37 AM (vd8XM)

Why do you hate the childruns !!

Posted by: jsg at July 12, 2020 06:39 AM (7Aqam)

35 Why limit him it will both a fee and a tax.

Posted by: C.S. Lewis lives at July 12, 2020 06:40 AM (aNSOb)

36 Also, they want the $305B because We're All In This Together

Posted by: jsg at July 12, 2020 06:40 AM (7Aqam)

37 Good morning!

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 12, 2020 06:44 AM (XHBUA)

38 Also, they want the $305B because We're All In This Together
Posted by: jsg

Ohhh. Now we're all in this together again...cue the new commercials

Posted by: Bruce at July 12, 2020 06:44 AM (vd8XM)

39 30 Great news. Trump told Min gov who wants $500M of your money to clean up the mess he made in Min to eat shit.


https://tinyurl.com/ybgc7vvk
Posted by: Vic at July 12, 2020 06:35 AM (mpXpK)

Take it out of welfare and medicaid!

Posted by: rhennigantx at July 12, 2020 06:45 AM (JFO2v)

40 It is the 16th Amendments birthday today.

And they have been picking our pockets ever since

Posted by: jsg at July 12, 2020 06:47 AM (7Aqam)

41 Great news. Trump told Min gov who wants $500M of your money to clean up the mess he made in Min to eat shit.

Minnesota could start a Minnesota Lives Matter mostly peaceful protest. Score some big bucks from some corporate suckers somewhere

Posted by: Bruce at July 12, 2020 06:47 AM (vd8XM)

42 Bruce- FOID means For Only Individual Democrats, right?

Posted by: Skip at July 12, 2020 06:48 AM (6f16T)

43 "Score some big bucks from some corporate suckers somewhere"

You'd think Target would step into the gap for good ol' Minneapolis, yes?

Posted by: lizabth at July 12, 2020 06:48 AM (L3Rsz)

44 Ohhh. Now we're all in this together again...cue the new commercials
Posted by: Bruce at July 12, 2020 06:44 AM (vd8XM)

Nothing says We're All In This Together more than new local administrative posititions while test scores are dropping.

Posted by: jsg at July 12, 2020 06:50 AM (7Aqam)

45 @32

As far as I can tell, no one got laid off, furloughed or had salary reductions, so I assume they got paid to do nothing.


The education rackets make the mob look like a Sunday school bridge gathering.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 12, 2020 06:51 AM (Vf4OS)

46 Filed Under Things That NEVER EVER happen!

Thomas Cooper entered the plea in federal court in Elkins to attempted election fraud and injury to the mail, U.S. Attorney Bill Powell said in a statement.

Cooper was charged in May after eight mail-in requests for absentee voter ballots had their party affiliations altered.

Posted by: rhennigantx at July 12, 2020 06:52 AM (JFO2v)

47 46 @32

As far as I can tell, no one got laid off, furloughed or had salary reductions, so I assume they got paid to do nothing.

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You would be correct in that assumption. I know of 2 who have been enjoying extremely part time work with full time pay. For the children, of course

Posted by: jsg at July 12, 2020 06:53 AM (7Aqam)

48 Ontario teachers complained about the added stress of having to prepare online lessons...poor darlings

Posted by: CanuckJack at July 12, 2020 06:56 AM (F25LM)

49 41 It is the 16th Amendments birthday today.

And they have been picking our pockets ever since
Posted by: jsg at July 12, 2020 06:47 AM (7Aqam)

2% on over $100,000 was first tax rate.

Posted by: rhennigantx at July 12, 2020 06:57 AM (JFO2v)

50 G'morning, all.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 12, 2020 06:58 AM (3D/fK)

51 hiya

Posted by: JT at July 12, 2020 06:58 AM (arJlL)

52 So if we are being told that parents can homeschool their own children, and still provide an effective education, why do teachers need a degree, and certification?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 12, 2020 06:59 AM (3D/fK)

53 libertyunyielding.com/astronomers find orcs in deep space unlike anything ever
https://tinyurl.com/y952cyqp

They don't seem concerned but if there's Orcs, Sauron can't be far away.

Posted by: Skip at July 12, 2020 06:59 AM (6f16T)

54 Looks like CA went ahead with the 10% pay cut for state workers. They will work 2 days a month without pay, but can take that time off at a later date.

Haha, suckers.

This :

While she is still losing 10 percent of her paycheck, Jeffries feels grateful to have a job and to have her voice heard.

LOL, her voice was heard, y'alls.

Trump. Do This.

Posted by: jsg at July 12, 2020 07:01 AM (7Aqam)

55 I think BLM will probably become another Rainbow Coalition, and extort big money from corporations...All they have to do is ask Jesse Jackson to be a consultant. Corporations seem to be throwing money at BLM already, why, Protection?

Posted by: Colin at July 12, 2020 07:02 AM (bhBSF)

56 2% on over $100,000 was first tax rate.
Posted by: rhennigantx at July 12, 2020 06:57 AM (JFO2v)

That's how it always starts.

Posted by: jsg at July 12, 2020 07:02 AM (7Aqam)

57 Corporations seem to be throwing money at BLM already, why, Protection?
Posted by: Colin at July 12, 2020 07:02 AM (bhBSF)

Financial Kneeling

Posted by: jsg at July 12, 2020 07:04 AM (7Aqam)

58
MAX MASK TAX FOR KRAK STAT !


you are the BOOM in my Volcano................

Posted by: Saf at July 12, 2020 07:04 AM (5IHGB)

59 Bruce- FOID means For Only Individual Democrats, right?
Posted by: Skip

I hope not. My wife and I both have one

Posted by: Bruce at July 12, 2020 07:06 AM (vd8XM)

60 Yesterday there was a demonstration in the city, BLM wants to join up with the government workers union or something.

Posted by: Colin at July 12, 2020 07:06 AM (bhBSF)

61 Link to Cali pay cut story

https://tinyurl.com/y79qtf2o

Posted by: jsg at July 12, 2020 07:07 AM (7Aqam)

62
I hope not. My wife and I both have one
Posted by: Bruce at July 12, 2020 07:06 AM (vd8XM)

Firearm Owner's ID ?

You don't need one here. Go in, find a gun, pass the background check, go home with gun.

Posted by: jsg at July 12, 2020 07:08 AM (7Aqam)

63 Who was the guy who always posted "The GOP will betray you" for years and years? A prophet, he was.

Posted by: Citizen at July 12, 2020 07:10 AM (ldmQR)

64 You don't need one here. Go in, find a gun, pass the background check, go home with gun.
Posted by: jsg

That would be nice. We've had FOID law for quite a while. More than anything it's another tax for those bastards who own firearms and want to buy pew pews

Posted by: Bruce at July 12, 2020 07:10 AM (vd8XM)

65 58

It's called Go Away money but it won't work anymore.

Posted by: Citizen at July 12, 2020 07:11 AM (ldmQR)

66 I thought that the Minneapolis burning down was no biggy because everything was insured?

Posted by: Bruce at July 12, 2020 07:11 AM (vd8XM)

67 Roberts is, most of all, naive beyond belief. As far as it can be true that a well educated and erudite man can be a simpleton, Roberts is a simpleton.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, hunker in the bunker at July 12, 2020 07:11 AM (NVYyb)

68
g'mornin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at July 12, 2020 07:12 AM (2v0aE)

69 We've had FOID law for quite a while. More than anything it's another tax for those bastards who own firearms and want to buy pew pews
Posted by: Bruce at July 12, 2020 07:10 AM (vd8XM)

Yep, another layer of moneygrab.

Posted by: jsg at July 12, 2020 07:13 AM (7Aqam)

70 67 I thought that the Minneapolis burning down was no biggy because everything was insured?
__________________

The probably figured they'd be able to get the feds to cough up Stafford Act money. They forgot that Barky isn't prezzy anymore.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at July 12, 2020 07:14 AM (k4dH2)

71 66 58

It's called Go Away money but it won't work anymore.
Posted by: Citizen at July 12, 2020 07:11 AM (ldmQR)

I'm reminded of the guy who had a brick thrown through his window, screams that he is on their side, and then another brick breaks another window.

Welcome to reality, dummy.

Posted by: jsg at July 12, 2020 07:15 AM (7Aqam)

72 I had dinner with a friend who used to be chair of the Demofascist party locally. He's leaving the state, saying the Conn-NY-NJ governor cabal is shortly going to jointly announce big tax increases and new ongoing Covid-based social contact rules. If Biden wins they want to make this effort national, so that people can't run away to Florida or Texas and escape.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, hunker in the bunker at July 12, 2020 07:16 AM (NVYyb)

73 mornin' y'all

Posted by: Big V Caffeinated at July 12, 2020 07:16 AM (eMtQa)

74 Good Sunday morning, horde.

I had hoped to sleep in for once, but, dogs. Even though my husband got up with them instead, one of them sat at my bedroom door whining until I relented and got up.

So, doggehs fed, dishes washed, covfefe made, and here I am in the best internet chat room ever.

Thanks for all the news links, Vic.

Posted by: April, Freedom Now! at July 12, 2020 07:16 AM (OX9vb)

75 The probably figured they'd be able to get the feds to cough up Stafford Act money. They forgot that Barky isn't prezzy anymore.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer

How about the Stafford and Waldorf act?

Posted by: Bruce at July 12, 2020 07:16 AM (vd8XM)

76 How about the Stafford and Waldorf act?
Posted by: Bruce at July 12, 2020 07:16 AM (vd8XM)

That's two shotgun blasts from the balcony, right ?

Posted by: Joe Biden at July 12, 2020 07:18 AM (7Aqam)

77 How about the Stafford and Waldorf act?
____________

Statler and Waldorf? The muppets? Those MN pols don't have as much sense as the cloth puppets.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at July 12, 2020 07:20 AM (k4dH2)

78 Time to do some Round-Upping while the wind is down. Later, gray box peoples.

Posted by: jsg at July 12, 2020 07:20 AM (7Aqam)

79 >>As far as I can tell, no one got laid off, furloughed or had salary reductions, so I assume they got paid to do nothing.


Here in MA. 2000 teachers/public school personnel were laid off. The teachers union prezzy was whining about this while discussing the fall school reopening. Hey, you wanted to shutdown the economy to protect teachers. . .

Posted by: Lizzy at July 12, 2020 07:21 AM (bDqIh)

80 Yahoo News:





Los Angeles County prosecutors have filed dozens of felony charges against three LAPD officers suspected of falsely labeling innocent motorists and pedestrians they stopped as gang members.
There are NO gangs in LA, don't forget that.











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Posted by: Colin at July 12, 2020 07:22 AM (bhBSF)

81 Good morning.

Posted by: irongrampa at July 12, 2020 07:23 AM (KATBx)

82 Help!

Posted by: Colin at July 12, 2020 07:23 AM (bhBSF)

83 Colin, it's not gonna be a good day, yes?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 12, 2020 07:24 AM (3D/fK)

84 The barrel beckons.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at July 12, 2020 07:24 AM (k4dH2)

85 WHAT DID YOU DO COLIN !?

Posted by: Citizen at July 12, 2020 07:24 AM (ldmQR)

86 I think I will go back and hide under the bed...

Posted by: Colin at July 12, 2020 07:24 AM (bhBSF)

87 Hey. Going to back to sleep. Bye.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at July 12, 2020 07:25 AM (NWiLs)

88 Last 7 days % new cases in Texas

4%
2%
3%
5%
5%
4%
4%
4%

Really has not changed.

Posted by: rhennigantx at July 12, 2020 07:25 AM (JFO2v)

89 83
Help!

Posted by: Colin at July 12, 2020 07:23 AM (bhBSF)


You can not copy/cut and paste directly from word to AOS

Posted by: Vic at July 12, 2020 07:26 AM (mpXpK)

90 The Left so hates and fears the gov of Florida that it turns out the numbers behind the purported mysterious corona spike are jiggered nine ways to Friday to make the numbers look far worse than they are. Surprise. It's BS all the way down.

Posted by: Citizen at July 12, 2020 07:26 AM (ldmQR)

91 I think I will go back and hide under the bed...
Posted by: Colin

That's the first place The Barrel looks

Posted by: Bruce at July 12, 2020 07:26 AM (vd8XM)

92 So which is more annoying, what happened to Colin or that bullshit about long strings of text, etc?

Posted by: irongrampa at July 12, 2020 07:27 AM (KATBx)

93 Joe Biden is still missing. Please call his house if you spot him wandering the streets, dressed in his bathrobe and challenging passers-by to a push-up contest.

Posted by: Joe Biden's Campaign Spokes Mammal at July 12, 2020 07:28 AM (NVYyb)

94 Liberals, gimmedats, and dindoos really don't care about anything more than getting that gummint cheese. They really are locusts that do nothing but consume and destroy.

I hope PDTS finds a way to defund universities and severely limit gummint cheese, but 'm afraid that there's no way congress will go along with that.


Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 12, 2020 07:28 AM (XHBUA)

95 and challenging passers-by to a push-up contest.
Posted by: Joe Biden's Campaign

Oh yeah??!!! How many Push-Ups can you eat?

Posted by: Bruce at July 12, 2020 07:29 AM (vd8XM)

96 93
So which is more annoying, what happened to Colin or that bullshit about long strings of text, etc?


Posted by: irongrampa at July 12, 2020 07:27 AM (KATBx)


The BS about long strings of text only affects one person

Posted by: Vic at July 12, 2020 07:29 AM (mpXpK)

97 >>I thought that the Minneapolis burning down was no biggy because everything was insured?


IIRC, we were told that "property is replaceable" - guess the activists and laissez-fair city/state leaders assumed the government would pay for the replacement.


Just on the local news: Study says teachers are at greater risk of dying from COVID-19/ How can that be? Because so many are over 65, obese, have heart issues and diabetes.

Oh yeah, the public school unions are pushing to not reopen in September, or go online classes only.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 12, 2020 07:29 AM (bDqIh)

98 Yikes, Collin! The Barrel beckons. . .

Posted by: Lizzy at July 12, 2020 07:30 AM (bDqIh)

99 "is Roberts going to call the mandate for citizens to buy masks in order to exercise the first amendment a fee or a tax?"

Assuming my metamorphosis into a Democrat is complete, I'll cite the "general welfare" clause like a true liberal.

Posted by: Chief Justice John "True Conservative" Roberts at July 12, 2020 07:31 AM (6K3U5)

100 >>>The BS about long strings of text only affects one person
=================
You're talking about Donald Trump, aren't you?

Posted by: Huck Follywood, hunker in the bunker at July 12, 2020 07:31 AM (NVYyb)

101 96 Oh yeah??!!! How many Push-Ups can you eat?

Posted by: Bruce at July 12, 2020 07:29 AM (vd8XM)


I can eat a pile of push-up bras if they are filled

Posted by: Vic at July 12, 2020 07:31 AM (mpXpK)

102 "Oh yeah, the public school unions are pushing to not reopen in September, or go online classes only."

Anybody else notice how this will effect financially underprivileged, minority children in single parent families hardest?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 12, 2020 07:32 AM (3D/fK)

103 Colin = New Meat

Posted by: Muad'dib at July 12, 2020 07:32 AM (MAF74)

104 Actually it was a simple copy from Yahoo News...via HTML converter.

Posted by: Colin at July 12, 2020 07:32 AM (bhBSF)

105 ESPN suspended the writer who told Josh Hawley "Fuck you", but they miss the point. Hawley is no GOPe pushover, at least so far. He wants ESPN's CEO to come in, sit down in his office, and talk about Chinese propaganda and how they will agree to fight it.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, hunker in the bunker at July 12, 2020 07:34 AM (NVYyb)

106 105
Actually it was a simple copy from Yahoo News...via HTML converter.


Posted by: Colin at July 12, 2020 07:32 AM (bhBSF)


Post in wordpad first and then copy from there.

Posted by: Vic at July 12, 2020 07:34 AM (mpXpK)

107 >>Anybody else notice how this will effect financially underprivileged, minority children in single parent families hardest?


As far as I can tell, the biggest concern is who will feed the kids lunch.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 12, 2020 07:35 AM (bDqIh)

108 if teachers can't do the job, hire new teachers
oh right, unions won't let them get fired

Posted by: vmom 2020 at July 12, 2020 07:35 AM (TOyHQ)

109 My ex is a "teacher." Actually works in the library at some inner-city school in Nashville. I asked my son if she is doing anything work related and he said no. I asked did she ever really do anything? He just sighed.

Eventually the teacher unions will have to act. They're running low on cash after paying people to protest and all.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 12, 2020 07:35 AM (3H9h1)

110 A local survey shows that inter-city children got very little if any education after the schools were closed. Single mothers are that capable of being school teachers.

Posted by: Colin at July 12, 2020 07:36 AM (bhBSF)

111 "Anybody else notice how this will effect financially underprivileged, minority children in single parent families hardest?"

psst

Doesn't matter. It's a win/win for leftist teachers, unions, and Democrats (a triple redundancy).

Here's the thing: student attendance for online school is still strictly monitored daily, by if/when a student logs in, not by how much work they get done.

That means federal funding per student will still roll in as long as the kids can be kept occupied online...the attendance is what counts.

Teachers get to keep their jobs but the workload is WAY less. Just throw links to online museums at the kids with a 10 question quiz. Day's work is done.

And the teachers don't have to bathe, get dressed, drive to work, etc.

Big thing is, the federal $$$ spigot stays on so the unions (NEA, AFT, etc) stay happy. The Left stays happy. And well fed. And powerful.

So from their PoV, compulsory online school is a dream come true.

Posted by: Citizen at July 12, 2020 07:38 AM (ldmQR)

112 Well, if anything good has come of this ChyNa flu bidness, it's some people are coming to realize how irrelevant and hypocritical pop culture and its icons really are.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 12, 2020 07:39 AM (XHBUA)

113 Looks like Minneapolis still has some issues brewing.


https://tinyurl.com/ydfpchjb

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 12, 2020 07:39 AM (3D/fK)

114 A nice day here, so I get tom mow the lawn...YAY!!

Posted by: Bruce at July 12, 2020 07:39 AM (vd8XM)

115

It's COLON to you !!!

Posted by: Saf at July 12, 2020 07:39 AM (5IHGB)

116 Interesting, but none of the Democrats I had dinner with last night mentioned Roger Stone's case. The only guy making a big deal of it nationally, so far as I can see, is Mitt Romney.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, hunker in the bunker at July 12, 2020 07:42 AM (NVYyb)

117 Funny. I guess Vic has a "get out of the barrel" card.

Posted by: JAS at July 12, 2020 07:42 AM (2BZBZ)

118 "As far as I can tell, the biggest concern is who will feed the kids lunch. "

That was absolutely the first concern raised in B'More when the school losings were being discussed.

It became quickly apparent that about 95% of the children in the city only receive their nutrition from government prepared and provided meals.

And that is a year round thing in the city.

Close schools for snow?

First thing you hear being hollered is "How my baby gonna eat?"

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 12, 2020 07:43 AM (3D/fK)

119 > There are NO gangs in LA, don't forget that.

The Internet Explorer/Microsoft Word gang is especially virulent.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia (kneels to no one on this Earth) at July 12, 2020 07:44 AM (unn44)

120 Well my day started out like crap. Messed my left knee up. Have no idea how but I can't move it without excruciating pain. Guess I'll be here al lot today.

Posted by: Jewells45 at July 12, 2020 07:45 AM (dUJdY)

121 It'll be a "Liberty levy".

Posted by: West at July 12, 2020 07:45 AM (iIW03)

122 Posted by: Jewells45 at July 12, 2020 07:45 AM (dUJdY)

:-(

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 12, 2020 07:46 AM (XHBUA)

123 Jewells45 - best of luck with that. This getting old crap ain't for pussies.

Posted by: West at July 12, 2020 07:46 AM (iIW03)

124 A local survey shows that inter-city children got very little if any education after the schools were closed. Single mothers are that capable of being school teachers.
Posted by: Colin at July 12, 2020 07:36 AM (bhBSF)

So? They weren't getting an education when the government skools were open either in the "inter" city. Same with the inner city too.

So keep the government skools closed and save the money.

More coffee.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 12, 2020 07:46 AM (Z+IKu)

125 Here in Florida, schools were open daily for parents to swing by and pick up (I'm guessing here) lunchmeat and bread for the kids. The scam got so bad a few months or so back that they arrested parents selling the foodstuffs online. You may have heard about it.

Posted by: Citizen at July 12, 2020 07:46 AM (ldmQR)

126 I just hate to see Jewells suffer.

Posted by: Muad'dib at July 12, 2020 07:47 AM (MAF74)

127 Morning, 'rons and 'ettes.

Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at July 12, 2020 07:47 AM (U/sKK)

128 What is wrong with our educational system...

The concept that you can teach someone to teach is flawed.

Just like singing, you either have the talent or you don't. You can spend a lifetime taking singing lessons, get a PhD in music, study under the best singers in the world, but if you don't have any talent, when you sing it will suck.

Teaching is like that. You can have total mastery of a subject, but if you lack the "teaching talent", that ability to connect with another person and transfer that knowledge, being able to see when you're getting through and when you're just confusing someone, you're doing more harm than good.

Teacher's unions perpetuated the myth that every idiot off the street can become an educator. This minimizes talented people and rewards people who shouldn't be within 100 feet of a student.

Bulldoze the schools and give out pure vouchers for the full amount of the education. Let the free market take care of the details. The state should just test to see if the kids are at the level they need to be for their age.

Posted by: jwest at July 12, 2020 07:47 AM (mrrpT)

129 super funny story there, VIA !

play stupid games, win stupid prizes ... or to put it a different way, lolgf, demonrats / dfl !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 at July 12, 2020 07:47 AM (0IMgo)

130 Dobroe ytro dorogiiye morons. Thanks for the VNN.

Several unusual explosions here last night, setting off car alarms and dogs barking, but not followed by any sirens or other emergency response. NextDoor is full of comments but no explanations...

Maybe they blew up the corner sushi place cuz cultural appropriaion?

Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 12, 2020 07:47 AM (EZebt)

131 As far as I can tell, the biggest concern is who will feed the kids lunch.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 12, 2020 07:35 AM (bDqIh

That is far behind making sure the paychecks keep rolling.

Then the kids can eat.

Posted by: jsg at July 12, 2020 07:48 AM (7Aqam)

132 One thing that saves Minneapolis, it gets cold and snowy in the winter...

Posted by: Colin at July 12, 2020 07:50 AM (bhBSF)

133 "125 A local survey shows that inter-city children got very little if any education after the schools were closed. Single mothers are that capable of being school teachers.
Posted by: Colin at July 12, 2020 07:36 AM (bhBSF)

So? They weren't getting an education when the government skools were open either in the "inter" city. Same with the inner city too.

So keep the government skools closed and save the money.

More coffee.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 12, 2020 07:46 AM (Z+IKu) "



This, ruthlessly and with enthusiasm !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 at July 12, 2020 07:50 AM (0IMgo)

134 Jewells, elevate it and start with the ice packs.

Posted by: Ben Had at July 12, 2020 07:50 AM (GUFMv)

135 >>So keep the government skools closed and save the money.

More coffee.
- - -
Our problem is that the governor makes his decisions about in person vs online school classes and it applies to private schools, too. It's a in-win for the teachers unions because they get to prevent my kid from attending classes AND this harms the private schools financially.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 12, 2020 07:50 AM (bDqIh)

136 113 Well, if anything good has come of this ChyNa flu bidness, it's some people are coming to realize how irrelevant and hypocritical pop culture and its icons really are.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 12, 2020 07:39 AM (XHBUA)

Crotch

Is not that with every crisis. Russia Russia Russia was no big deal when the Clinton needed a couple of hundred million. Bhussein told Romney that the Russians were no big deal.

We loved China. All was fine. We even modified our movies to sell in China. Yeah they were killing our children and dogs, but WTF, its just children and dogs.

And most TV and Movie agree with the Trademarked BLM movement but could not care less if blacks murder 6000 to 7000 of each other each year and even donate money to kill about one third of all black children before they are born.

And we now realize the entire infrastructure called K-12 ed is really just a jobs program and a way to fund Big Unions.

Posted by: rhennigantx at July 12, 2020 07:51 AM (JFO2v)

137 Mrs. Franpsycho has worked 3 gours a day in elementary school lunchrooms, basically riding herd.

After 9 years she has been informed her position, and all those similar have been eliminated from the budget.

This means there will be no large gatherings of children at lunch, and who know what else.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 12, 2020 07:53 AM (EZebt)

138 Detroit uncle says his nephew had his hands up and was executed by police. Cop's bodycam says blow me Uncle Liar.


https://tinyurl.com/ycclae56

Posted by: fly at July 12, 2020 07:54 AM (2M/TV)

139 Schools also have a large amount of employees who are not teachers. And the amount of dollars per student spent on sports is crazy. More than on, you know, actual classes like science and math.

Posted by: jsg at July 12, 2020 07:54 AM (7Aqam)

140 Chief Justice Roberts is so far out of his league, the only ruling he should be making is which one of his children, Jack or Josie, is more qualified to scoop up the dog shit in the backyard.

Posted by: Fritz at July 12, 2020 07:55 AM (95j/9)

141 yeah, rhennigantx, no joke, it's not The Great Unveiling just on an individual level at all, the hollowed-out bankruptcy of wide swathes of society and culture is right out there to be seen, too.

And the process is not near over, barely getting up to speed so far.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 at July 12, 2020 07:55 AM (0IMgo)

142 If not already mentioned; LA want's schools to remain closed for the next school year. Keeping them open won't help LA's illiteracy. So there's that.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 12, 2020 07:55 AM (3H9h1)

143 139 Detroit uncle says his nephew had his hands up and was executed by police. Cop's bodycam says blow me Uncle Liar.


https://tinyurl.com/ycclae56
Posted by: fly at July 12, 2020 07:54 AM (2M/TV)


And he'll still get at least a 6-figure settlement from the Po Po.

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at July 12, 2020 07:56 AM (PiwSw)

144 Sal has a nice Diversity Thursday post, focusing on how political out military leadership has become.

As always, his commenters bring forth some good viewpoints.


https://tinyurl.com/y8w29mng

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 12, 2020 07:56 AM (3D/fK)

145 Here ya go!

https://tinyurl.com/y94o9spd

Posted by: DB- just DB. at July 12, 2020 07:57 AM (iTXRQ)

146 "Teaching is like that. You can have total mastery of a subject, but if you lack the "teaching talent", that ability to connect with another person and transfer that knowledge, being able to see when you're getting through and when you're just confusing someone, you're doing more harm than good."

Yep.

There are truly "good teachers." Most of you had at least one way back when. They are the ones who you KNOW genuinely care about what and how kids learn, but they are also cognizant (now more than ever) that the curriculum often is skewed to the point that basic necessary knowledge is perverted or excluded. These teachers can and do try to counteract that whenever they're able; they have to be much more careful about it in blue areas for obvious reasons. It's not a coincidence that very often they came into teaching after having worked in the real world, so they have a much better sense of what's what and that influences how they interact with kids and parents. And yet, they're rarely allowed to move up to administration. You can guess why.

Anyway, believe me: such teachers do exist. Rare, but they're out there.

The rest? Young or old, they're straight out of college with zero alternate perspective on the world other that what they paid to have drilled into their skulls and has been reinforced in education's echo chamber. They're completely insular, arrogant, occasionally fanantical, and generally stupid in the strictly technical sense: they are incapable of actual thought. They are the ones to be feared for the sake of kids, not just for mere incompetence but because they invariably skew Left.

What I say here is fact; ask any teacher you trust and they'll verify most if not all of it.

There's a reason I know this first hand, but it's not what you might guess at first glance.

Posted by: Citizen at July 12, 2020 07:57 AM (ldmQR)

147 139 Detroit uncle says his nephew had his hands up and was executed by police. Cop's bodycam says blow me Uncle Liar.


https://tinyurl.com/ycclae56
Posted by: fly at July 12, 2020 07:54 AM (2M/TV)

Bodycams have really hurt the race hustlers, so they'll want to do away with them somehow.

Posted by: jsg at July 12, 2020 07:58 AM (7Aqam)

148 >>After 9 years she has been informed her position, and all those similar have been eliminated from the budget.

This means there will be no large gatherings of children at lunch, and who know what else.
- - - -

Sorry she lost her job.
Safe to assume this means CA public schools will not reopen for the fall semester?

Posted by: Lizzy at July 12, 2020 07:58 AM (bDqIh)

149 My daughter is a realtor in the Black Hills, she had a guy from Washington state drive all day on Friday to look at houses on Sat. She showed him 4 and he is driving back home today. I told her that's great but is he a liberal? She assured me he is conservative and christian. Just has had enough.
She has talked to several realtors in the area and they are flooded with calls for people looking to move here. I was in Vegas last week and talked to a couple from MI that are looking to do exactly that as well. It's crazy.

Posted by: Molly k. at July 12, 2020 07:59 AM (Zup0y)

150 129 What is wrong with our educational system...

The concept that you can teach someone to teach is flawed.

Just like singing, you either have the talent or you don't. You can spend a lifetime taking singing lessons, get a PhD in music, study under the best singers in the world, but if you don't have any talent, when you sing it will suck.

Teaching is like that. You can have total mastery of a subject, but if you lack the "teaching talent", that ability to connect with another person and transfer that knowledge, being able to see when you're getting through and when you're just confusing someone, you're doing more harm than good.

Teacher's unions perpetuated the myth that every idiot off the street can become an educator. This minimizes talented people and rewards people who shouldn't be within 100 feet of a student.

Bulldoze the schools and give out pure vouchers for the full amount of the education. Let the free market take care of the details. The state should just test to see if the kids are at the level they need to be for their age.
Posted by: jwest at July 12, 2020 07:47 AM (mrrpT)

It's not just the teacher's unions perpetuating that myth. They then cover for every teacher under their umbrella, no matter how bad they are. And they constantly assure us that teachers are absolutely indispensable. (How we got through thousands of years without government-run education is a question that will make them extremely uncomfortable. But seriously. What high school did George Washington graduate from?)

I'd rather not bulldoze perfectly good capital but privatization would be a good idea. And it would reward good teachers and send bad teachers packing. (But too many people live in abject fear of such a thing.)

Last night on the movie thread I once again caught myself musing about how amazing my fourth grade teacher was (I'm well above 29 and I can remember her extremely well. She's in her 60s now. I need to track her down just so I can thank her.) I have to look back at who did things best as I pursue a teaching certification as an insurance policy, as corporate America is simply uninterested in bringing me aboard so she comes up a great deal. I marvel at her and the few other good teachers I have but at the same time I'm sickened by the fact that they are memorable because people like my fourth grade teacher and my senior English teacher from HS were beacons in a sea of complete mediocrity and wretched incompetence. They SHOULDN'T be so remarkable as to stick out in my memory as they do, but they are, not just because they were great, but because so many other people around them sucked. And the fact is that if I had a good teacher, I ran into them by sheer, dumb, blind, completely random luck. Why should it be that way for me and for millions of others?

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 12, 2020 07:59 AM (ejsiI)

151 Kind of quiet in Chicago this week, only 23 shot and killed, total shot 125, so far, until Sat. night is added.

Posted by: Colin at July 12, 2020 08:00 AM (bhBSF)

152 Ben Had, I will do that shortly. I do have it up right now and I found my knee brace from when my right knee was giving me fits and that's helping.

Posted by: Jewells45 at July 12, 2020 08:00 AM (dUJdY)

153 Cit

The rest? Young or old, they're straight out of college with zero alternate perspective on the world other that what they paid to have drilled into their skulls and has been reinforced in education's echo chamber. They're completely insular, arrogant, occasionally fanantical, and generally stupid in the strictly technical sense: they are incapable of actual thought. They are the ones to be feared for the sake of kids, not just for mere incompetence but because they invariably skew Left.

You just described every Ed School in the country. I was at UT when the College of Liberal Arts had to divide itself from the Ed dept. why?? Most ED student could not manage the 4 years of math, English, and science along with min 2 year foreign lang.

Posted by: rhennigantx at July 12, 2020 08:01 AM (JFO2v)

154 Teachers Union,pay us or will starve the hostages.
Florida infections off by at least 30%, bet same for Texas.

Posted by: azalea city at July 12, 2020 08:01 AM (WX+x0)

155 >>Kind of quiet in Chicago this week, only 23 shot and killed, total shot 125, so far, until Sat. night is added.


Anyone doing comparisons of covid deaths vs, shooting deaths in big cities nowadays.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 12, 2020 08:02 AM (bDqIh)

156 >>>It's crazy.

Posted by: Molly k<<<

The COVID crazies from Washington state are spawning like salmon. And none of them obey traffic restrictions as they motor to their sacred destinations.

Posted by: Fritz at July 12, 2020 08:03 AM (95j/9)

157 Chief Justice Roberts, who recently had a very minor medical problem for a man his age, but required in-patient care and transfusion with the blood of virgin preschoolers sacrificed to Baal (harder to get in that market than most would think)....
...anyway. Did they ever admit to how many days he was out of work?

My bet is that SCROTUS is run to a degree by the Clerks at this point that it makes the DoJ appear to be micromanaged by Trump.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at July 12, 2020 08:04 AM (1g7ch)

158 But there is no Deep State.

It is just the way it is.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at July 12, 2020 08:04 AM (1g7ch)

159 Death by cop will become no fault.

Posted by: Jamaica NYC at July 12, 2020 08:05 AM (4vNgL)

160 "And the fact is that if I had a good teacher, I ran into them by sheer, dumb, blind, completely random luck. Why should it be that way for me and for millions of others?"

If the dis-education of entire generations has been the goal, then that's exactly what you'd expect: good teachers would be the exceedingly rare exceptions who the system cannot completely eliminate.

Posted by: Citizen at July 12, 2020 08:05 AM (ldmQR)

161 americanthinker.com/ghislaine maxwells secrets if revealed will be incendiary


Gee. Ya think?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 12, 2020 08:05 AM (oVJmc)

162 South Carolina reported the first Covid associated death of a child under age five yesterday.

'Covid-associated' is a rather wiggle-room word.

And they are providing no other medical background on the child.

So my guess unless proven otherwise is that there was significant underlying medical issues.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 12, 2020 08:05 AM (3D/fK)

163 151 129 What is wrong with our educational system...

I've been asking this question for the past 30 years: what percentage of our teachers were good? The modal response is 10%. Would it surprise you to know that education majors have the lowest SAT scores of any major? Stating this out loud makes you very unpopular at parties. Finland radically improved its educations system by, in part, closing half its teaching colleges.

Posted by: iandeal at July 12, 2020 08:06 AM (bLfy6)

164 Fort Smith board of directors (city council) kicked the can down the road on a mask ordinance. Al the little burgs in the county were playing follow the leader and had meetings scheduled. The crowd at the Fort Smith meeting didn't seem to want gubmint telling them to wear a mask. Directors are having a "learning meeting" this week and further discussion sometime in the future.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at July 12, 2020 08:06 AM (C1Lsn)

165 Well, Maxwell has lived longer than I predicted.

Posted by: Jewells45 at July 12, 2020 08:06 AM (dUJdY)

166 154

Exactly. You've seen it yourself, so I'll be you also know why "lifelong learners" has been adopted as an article of religious faith in K-12 and universities.

Posted by: Citizen at July 12, 2020 08:07 AM (ldmQR)

167 Posted by: bill in arkansas at July 12, 2020 08:06 AM (C1Lsn)

That's nice. Jackson County just extended ours. Indefinitely. Fuckers.

Posted by: Jewells45 at July 12, 2020 08:08 AM (dUJdY)

168 be = bet

Posted by: Citizen at July 12, 2020 08:08 AM (ldmQR)

169 Meanwhile on the coup.

Nothing is happening. Change my mind.

Posted by: blaster at July 12, 2020 08:08 AM (Ieq1i)

170 I remember in highschool we had good and bad teachers. I remember how sad it was to see my fellow classmates pick on some teacher who lost control of the classroom. Of course I was the sensible one../s

Posted by: Colin at July 12, 2020 08:08 AM (bhBSF)

171 >>Well, Maxwell has lived longer than I predicted.



Wonder how many more suicides and other VIP/celebrity deaths there will be, such as Steve Bing and Naya Rivera.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 12, 2020 08:09 AM (bDqIh)

172 My take on our esteemed, august Chief Justice can't be simpler.

I know lots of people here speculate on if Mr. Roberts is being blackmailed, what does the Left have on him, and so on and so forth. All fine, well and good. And you know? I might be totally wrong, and such thinking might be accurate.

But human nature is what human nature is, and Mr. Roberts is in DC and as far as I know he was a creature of DC well before his elevation to being Chief Justice. (Why couldn't Mr. Rehnquist just held on for a few more months? Remember: he was nominated to take Sandra Day O'Connor's place but then Chief Justice Rehnquist died so he was promptly nominated to be Chief Justice.)

I well and firmly believe he is out to hang out with the cool kids in DC. He is, behaviorally, less a Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court than he is the President of a HS student council. This, more than anything else, motivates his perplexing and disappointing decision making process on the Court. Mr. Roberts knows and fears that if he makes "the wrong decision", no matter how firmly aligned with the Constitution it may be, or how morally correct it is, that if he does it, or writes the majority opinion on said case, he will be doomed to perpetual expulsion from the DC cocktail circuit. That, IMHO, is what is motivating Mr. Roberts.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 12, 2020 08:10 AM (ejsiI)

173
Interesting article on how Jeffrey Immelt plundered GE -

https://nypost.com/2020/07/11/how-a-power-hungry-ceo-drained-the-light-out-of-general-electric/

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at July 12, 2020 08:10 AM (pNxlR)

174 164 I know a lawyer who maintains a lot of disciplines are over schooled and under educated at the college level. He's a big fan of law students reading the law under tutelage of a seasoned lawyer and seems to be a fan of the "normal schools" for teachers.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at July 12, 2020 08:10 AM (C1Lsn)

175 >>>Well, Maxwell has lived longer than I predicted.<<<

COVID death is now as systemic as police brutality.

Posted by: Fritz at July 12, 2020 08:11 AM (95j/9)

176 Teaching is like that. You can have total mastery of a subject, but if you lack the "teaching talent", that ability to connect with another person and transfer that knowledge, being able to see when you're getting through and when you're just confusing someone, you're doing more harm than good.

Few have even a basic knowledge of what they are trying to teach. Many do not have the language and communication skills to convey that limited knowledge. Most of them now touting masters and phd degrees in "education".

Posted by: Agitator at July 12, 2020 08:12 AM (y/e6R)

177 161 "And the fact is that if I had a good teacher, I ran into them by sheer, dumb, blind, completely random luck. Why should it be that way for me and for millions of others?"

If the dis-education of entire generations has been the goal, then that's exactly what you'd expect: good teachers would be the exceedingly rare exceptions who the system cannot completely eliminate.
Posted by: Citizen at July 12, 2020 08:05 AM (ldmQR)

Solutions provided by government:

The Poor
Cash, EBT cards, transfers to account, and vouchers to rent. The poor person has 100% control on how this is spent.

The Old
Cash transferred to the person and that person has 100% control over how it is spent.

The Sick (both old and poor)
They shop for a doctor or hospital and when they get treated the government remits dollars for that service. 99% in the sick persons control.

The Uneducated
100% of the money is transferred to an agency or semi-government system. The system build buildings, hire administrators that then hire teachers. Students are forced by law to use that system based on their street address and sometimes the color of their skin. Student (and parents) has about 1% control on how money is spent.

Posted by: rhennigantx at July 12, 2020 08:12 AM (JFO2v)

178 "Stating this out loud makes you very unpopular at parties."

If you question the doctrines of a given church, every faithful member of that church will not view what you say objectively (at leaste not at first and not without much personal struggle), but will immediately react by shunning you -- questioning the church's beliefs is to question THEIR beliefs. Their identity is threatened by what you say.

Similar thing with asking questions about public ed.

If most teachers are and were demonstrably bad, people can't help but take it personally because that's who taught most of them what they know. It's a typically human reaction.

Of course most everyone can name a FAVORITE teacher...but remembering them objectively, how many can say they had genuinely GOOD teachers? That'd be an interesting thing to ask.

Posted by: Citizen at July 12, 2020 08:13 AM (ldmQR)

179 148 139 Detroit uncle says his nephew had his hands up and was executed by police. Cop's bodycam says blow me Uncle Liar.


https://tinyurl.com/ycclae56
Posted by: fly at July 12, 2020 07:54 AM (2M/TV)

Bodycams have really hurt the race hustlers, so they'll want to do away with them somehow.
_________________

From reading the transcripts on Powerline of the cops in the George Floyd arrest, it looks like those videos are not going to help the prosecution's case against the cops either.

The Floyd case could turn out like the Freddy Grey case in Baltimore, where the videos (from bystanders) initially made it look like the cops had intentionally injured him, but then when the rest of the evidence was considered and you could see the whole context, it became clear that something very different had happened.

If these Floyd cops get acquitted, or there are hung juries (probably more likely) and no convictions, what then? More riots, or are people going to have already moved on by then to the next outrage-du-jour?

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at July 12, 2020 08:13 AM (k4dH2)

180 Doesn't matter. It's a win/win for leftist teachers, unions, and Democrats (a triple redundancy).

Here's the thing: student attendance for online school is still strictly monitored daily, by if/when a student logs in, not by how much work they get done.

That means federal funding per student will still roll in as long as the kids can be kept occupied online...the attendance is what counts.

Teachers get to keep their jobs but the workload is WAY less. Just throw links to online museums at the kids with a 10 question quiz. Day's work is done.

And the teachers don't have to bathe, get dressed, drive to work, etc.

Big thing is, the federal $$$ spigot stays on so the unions (NEA, AFT, etc) stay happy. The Left stays happy. And well fed. And powerful.

So from their PoV, compulsory online school is a dream come true.
Posted by: Citizen at July 12, 2020 07:38 AM (ldmQR)

As a brat (before the old man retired), whenever I was at a school, I was given paperwork to turn into the school that my father had to fill out, and apparently it was a way for the federal government to financially compensate the school district for having a military brat in their school.

Let me tell you, teachers that I had never even met in my life were on my ass to make sure that paperwork got turned into the school, some in a nice, yet needling way; others in a more hostile fashion (they being teachers). They were far more motivated to get that sweet federal cash than they were to, you know, earn their own pay.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 12, 2020 08:13 AM (ejsiI)

181 168 Sorry to hear that, Jewells. The sorry part of the ordinances being passed is using businesses to carry out tyranny. If a business doesn't refuse service to the unmasked, they get the fine.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at July 12, 2020 08:14 AM (C1Lsn)

182 Steve Bing and Naya Rivera.

Bing was definitely suicide. Rivera.. is that the one from Glee? They found her kid on the boat?

Posted by: Jewells45 at July 12, 2020 08:14 AM (dUJdY)

183 Military brat, survived schools in New Mexico and Alabama at junior high because of levels - woe to those in level 4, bad teachers and worse inmates

Posted by: Heart of Darkness at July 12, 2020 08:14 AM (VLqkb)

184 It's very possible that the two US politicians that Maxwell has on video having sex with underage girls could be both Bill AND Hillary.

Just saying.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 12, 2020 08:15 AM (oVJmc)

185 81 Yahoo News:

Los Angeles County prosecutors have filed dozens of felony charges against three LAPD officers suspected of falsely labeling innocent motorists and pedestrians they stopped as gang members.
There are NO gangs in LA, don't forget that.

And nobody walks in L.A. Don't forget THAT.

Posted by: Missing Persons at July 12, 2020 08:15 AM (ejsiI)

186 Traitor John Roberts is always going to be associated with epic SCOTUS failures like Taney and Holmes. There really needs to be a way to force these turds in robes off the bench.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 12, 2020 08:15 AM (XHBUA)

187 The sorry part of the ordinances being passed is using businesses to carry out tyranny. If a business doesn't refuse service to the unmasked, they get the fine.

Yep, but let me tell ya and this could just be anecdotal but I have a friend with a little boutique in our little downtown area. Went to visit her yesterday of course wearing a damn mask. I walked in and NO one was wearing one including her. She said fuck it, I'm not making people wear one if they don't want to.

Posted by: Jewells45 at July 12, 2020 08:16 AM (dUJdY)

188 And nobody walks in L.A. Don't forget THAT.

Posted by: Missing Persons at July 12, 2020 08:15 AM (ejsiI)


Except criminals being released by the DA

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar -YOU are all in this together!- at July 12, 2020 08:16 AM (eTZoJ)

189 177 yep

Posted by: CN at July 12, 2020 08:17 AM (j5am2)

190 Education went to shit when teaching colleges tried to reinvent the wheel instead of teaching the basics to elementary school kids.

Posted by: Ben Had at July 12, 2020 08:18 AM (GUFMv)

191 Roberts knows and fears that if he makes "the wrong
decision", no matter how firmly aligned with the Constitution it may be,
or how morally correct it is, that if he does it, or writes the
majority opinion on said case, he will be doomed to perpetual expulsion
from the DC cocktail circuit. That, IMHO, is what is motivating Mr.
Roberts.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 12, 2020 08:10 AM (ejsiI)

---
The Supreme Court will never give up the absolute power it now holds.

Never.

Doesn't matter who is confirmed or what they say, once they have that lifetime appointment, they are a Super Legislature beyond appeal.

Both Congress and the Executive branch want it this way, so that they can push leftist policies without having to answer for them at the ballot box.

Congress does have the authority to rein in the Court, and can do so using the formidable power of the purse, but in all the weird stunts over the past 20 years, that has never been done because it is effective and final.

So they play the game.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 12, 2020 08:18 AM (cfSRQ)

192 188 I'm driving 15 miles to get a haircut nowadays. OK barber, and reopening day was the last time the masks and lists and all the other BS happened in his shop. Business is now just the way it was before Chink flu. Top it off, the guy is really a very good barber.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at July 12, 2020 08:19 AM (C1Lsn)

193 The sorry part of the ordinances being passed is using businesses to carry out tyranny. If a business doesn't refuse service to the unmasked, they get the fine.
Posted by: bill in arkansas at July 12, 2020 08:14 AM (C1Lsn)


Once you fools elect us undt ve haff ze power, ve haff thousand vays, comrade, oh yes!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar -YOU are all in this together!- at July 12, 2020 08:19 AM (eTZoJ)

194 I've known of more than one school throwing pizza party challenges for whichever homeroom had the most students show up during Count Week, when attendance determined funding for the year.

No other occasion during the year warranted such a reward.

That tells you where the focus really is.

Posted by: Citizen at July 12, 2020 08:19 AM (ldmQR)

195 > Most ED student could not manage the 4 years of math, English, and science along with min 2 year foreign lang.

While your point is well-taken, I'm not entirely sure that a person needs to understand calculus and German to be an effective kindergarten teacher.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia (kneels to no one on this Earth) at July 12, 2020 08:20 AM (unn44)

196
Rivera.. is that the one from Glee? They found her kid on the boat?


Yes

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at July 12, 2020 08:20 AM (pNxlR)

197 192 Meant 187.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at July 12, 2020 08:20 AM (C1Lsn)

198 > While your point is well-taken, I'm not entirely sure that a person needs to understand calculus and German to be an effective kindergarten teacher.

At a somewhat higher level, some of the worst teachers I had in grad school were also the ones who were the most brilliant researchers.

As others have noted, teaching is a skill in and of itself.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia (kneels to no one on this Earth) at July 12, 2020 08:22 AM (unn44)

199 If a state or local government is "mandating" the wearing of masks why aren't they supplying them to the businesses affected? The businesses aren't mandating anything.

I know, rhetorical...

Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 12, 2020 08:22 AM (3H9h1)

200 Well, my experience at Walmart on Friday, the stifling heat etc., I told me husband I will drive over to Cass County and do my shopping. I'm done here. For real. Jackson Cty can shove it up their ass. I will also send them a strongly worded letter and tell them I have taken my business elsewhere. Enjoy the revenue you ARE NOT getting dickheads.

Posted by: Jewells45 at July 12, 2020 08:22 AM (dUJdY)

201 "Mandating" sounds kind of sexist, doesn't it?

Shouldn't it be "person-of-undetermined-gender-dating"?

I prefer womandating myself, but have nothing against those who want to date men.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia (kneels to no one on this Earth) at July 12, 2020 08:23 AM (unn44)

202 As far as I can tell, the biggest concern is who will feed the kids lunch.



Posted by: Lizzy at July 12, 2020 07:35 AM (bDqIh
And this isn't just the "underprivileged" kids either. ANY family who wants free food can get it.Family next door to my parents' house - RVs, boats, inground pool, all the toys. The local school district drops food off 2-3 times a week to them.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at July 12, 2020 08:23 AM (D3cJf)

203 154 Cit

The rest? Young or old, they're straight out of college with zero alternate perspective on the world other that what they paid to have drilled into their skulls and has been reinforced in education's echo chamber. They're completely insular, arrogant, occasionally fanantical, and generally stupid in the strictly technical sense: they are incapable of actual thought. They are the ones to be feared for the sake of kids, not just for mere incompetence but because they invariably skew Left.

You just described every Ed School in the country. I was at UT when the College of Liberal Arts had to divide itself from the Ed dept. why?? Most ED student could not manage the 4 years of math, English, and science along with min 2 year foreign lang.
Posted by: rhennigantx at July 12, 2020 08:01 AM (JFO2v)

I learned rather quickly as a college student that the education department is THE butt of jokes at universities and that they are not taken seriously.

(There have been cases in TX, possibly elsewhere, where math "teachers" cannot even pass basic math tests administered to them. To me, this explains a great deal. I was always off the charts as far as verbal skills and reading went, but I sucked at math. To this day I maintain two things: 1) I understand math best at its most concrete applications (I had a miserable time in algebra but once the lines were closed and it was time for geometry, I took off) and 2) I desperately needed a good "tour guide" through the world of math. It didn't help that just staring at pages of math problems all day wasn't my idea of a good time; I NEEDED good, quality direction in this area. But I completely lacked in math teachers (OK, one or two were decent, but the rest? I had one who was far more interested in using her students to help her land a juicy government contract than she was in, gulp, teaching her students math) that were worthy of such a title.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 12, 2020 08:24 AM (ejsiI)

204 "And this isn't just the "underprivileged" kids either. ANY family who wants free food can get it."

True

Posted by: Citizen at July 12, 2020 08:24 AM (ldmQR)

205 > The local school district drops food off 2-3 times a week to them.

Yeah, if more than a certain percentage of the student population meets the (fairly lenient) guidelines for getting free lunches, the whole school gets free lunches.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia (kneels to no one on this Earth) at July 12, 2020 08:24 AM (unn44)

206 88 Last 7 days % new cases in Texas

4%
2%
3%
5%
5%
4%
4%
4%

Really has not changed.
Posted by: rhennigantx at July 12, 2020 07:25 AM (JFO2v)

Doesn't matter. The state MUST close by my royal decree.

Posted by: King Gregory at July 12, 2020 08:25 AM (ejsiI)

207 I'm a product of rural Louisiana public education system until we moved to New Orleans for my 10-12 grades.

I'm lucky i can read, much less write. I basically self taught myself as most of what the school system pushed was liberal bullshit.

Posted by: BifBewalski - sinis est culus at July 12, 2020 08:26 AM (VcFUs)

208 205 > The local school district drops food off 2-3 times a week to them.

Yeah, if more than a certain percentage of the student population meets the (fairly lenient) guidelines for getting free lunches, the whole school gets free lunches.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia (kneels to no one on this Earth) at July 12, 2020 08:24 AM (unn44)

Except that we MUST remember a phrase I first read in a sixth grade social sciences text: "There is no such thing as a free lunch."

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 12, 2020 08:26 AM (ejsiI)

209 Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 12, 2020 08:18 AM (cfSRQ)

You have to admire Congress:
Continuing resolutions with built in inflation growth rate, but not real budgets;
Creating "Agencies/Bureaus' to establish millions of pages of arbitrary and capricious "Administrative Law";
Funding and abrogating power to an unelected tenured unaccountable Supreme Court.;
Establishing perquisites, rules, and regulations for themselves that violate the rules and regulations for mere citizens (Healthcare, Insider Trading, Sexual Harassment Slush Fund).

How do I get a job like that?

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar -YOU are all in this together!- at July 12, 2020 08:27 AM (eTZoJ)

210 'Covid-associated' is a rather wiggle-room word.


Carefully chosen phrase -
- Literally taken it is very broad
- Meant to draw a much more narrow interpretation (i.e.: caused by)
- If a sceptic takes exception to broad meaning they are easily criticized by 'the real professionals' for not having in-depth knowledge of the nuances of the medical field.

Back when neo-prohibitionists got political pull the term about 30/35 years ago was "alcohol related motor vehicle fatalities" and it was chosen for pure psyop purposes.
It was deliberate that it would include a drunk jaywalking with back to traffic and getting killed when stumbling into traffic.
It was deliberate that it would grossly over count fatalities "due to' drunk drivers.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at July 12, 2020 08:27 AM (1g7ch)

211 The answer to the question in the post is "Yes" Chief Justice Roberts will claim the mandate is magically both a fee and a tax and therefore constitutional and must be re-instated. Unless of course he falls down and hits his head again which hopefully will knock some sense into that nugget of his. Go Trump, drain the swamp, MAGA!

Posted by: Kenny The G from AZ at July 12, 2020 08:28 AM (tSosf)

212 Except that we MUST remember a phrase I first read in a sixth grade social sciences text: "There is no such thing as a free lunch."

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 12, 2020 08:26 AM (ejsiI)


Dayum, how old are you?
I thought all Heinlein books had been banned and preferably burned by now!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar -YOU are all in this together!- at July 12, 2020 08:28 AM (eTZoJ)

213 > 'Covid-associated' is a rather wiggle-room word.

If you commit suicide because the COVID panic has destroyed your business, causing you to lose your home and all of your retirement savings: "COVID-associated".

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia (kneels to no one on this Earth) at July 12, 2020 08:28 AM (unn44)

214 >>Bing was definitely suicide. Rivera.. is that the one from Glee? They found her kid on the boat?


Yup. Third cast member to die (if they fond her body), with a previous one committing suicide a few years ago after being arrested for possessing a ton of kiddie porn.
. . .

Re: Roberts - Is one of his biggest failures not his mismanagement of the FISA court?

Posted by: Lizzy at July 12, 2020 08:29 AM (bDqIh)

215 I'm not entirely sure that a person needs to understand calculus and German to be an effective kindergarten teacher.

I suppose the concept for those requirements is that it provides a well rounded foundation for logic and an appreciation for cultures beyond the realm of the immediate. I'm not suggesting that everyone who teaches needs to understand calculus, but proficiency in basic algebra and trig is only developed through practice and development of fundamental, logical thought processes. Likewise, foreign language classes teach not only the language but have some emphasis on the culture and the geography.

There has to be some minimum standard, not some sliding scale of half-assed mediocrity like we have now.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 12, 2020 08:30 AM (XHBUA)

216 203

Years ago I personally met a young black man, mid 20s, attending a Master's program for teaching. That means he already had a B.A. in education (from where, no idea).

He came in royally pissed off one day. Admin had gently informed him he was being temporarily sidelined so he could take a remedial writing course. They had no choice, they'd told him, his writing NEEDED help badly.

His complaint was, "How the hell did I get through four years of college, get my B.A., and got accepted to this program if I CAN'T WRITE?"

He was completely without self-awareness because he was convinced he could write and write well.

But I had had opportunity to read his writing. It was so borderline illegible that the quality of his written thoughts could not be guessed at.

So yeah, he'd asked the right question but for the wrong reason.

Posted by: Citizen at July 12, 2020 08:30 AM (ldmQR)

217 >>213 > 'Covid-associated' is a rather wiggle-room word.

Karenism. Statue-graffiti. Mask-shaming. Food-hoarding. Condo-fever. "Stay-Safe" simpering. Elbow-bumping.

All examples of covid-related assholery.

Posted by: Zod at July 12, 2020 08:31 AM (XzT/D)

218 The food banks are getting hit hard around here. Neighbor lady is one of the volunteers at her church, and they have been extremely busy (but with generous support from food centered companies in the area). The funny thing about it is nobody around here lost their job, with the exception of restaurant workers, and they were getting the $600 a week extra. Most are back to work, and the $600 lasts until the end of the month.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at July 12, 2020 08:31 AM (C1Lsn)

219 > I'm not suggesting that everyone who teaches needs to understand calculus, but proficiency in basic algebra and trig is only developed through practice and development of fundamental, logical thought processes.

Dude, a kindergarten teacher only needs to know the colors and the numbers from 1-10.

Empathy and enjoying working with little kids is far more important.

It's not a job I could ever do. I can barely tolerate one small child, much less 30 of them.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia (kneels to no one on this Earth) at July 12, 2020 08:31 AM (unn44)

220 Just noticed that I wrote, "personally met," a dumb redundancy. But then, I know my writing is far from perfect.

Posted by: Citizen at July 12, 2020 08:31 AM (ldmQR)

221 The Supreme Court will never give up the absolute power it now holds.

Never.

Doesn't matter who is confirmed or what they say, once they have that lifetime appointment, they are a Super Legislature beyond appeal.

Both Congress and the Executive branch want it this way, so that they can push leftist policies without having to answer for them at the ballot box.

Congress does have the authority to rein in the Court, and can do so using the formidable power of the purse, but in all the weird stunts over the past 20 years, that has never been done because it is effective and final.

So they play the game.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 12, 2020 08:18 AM (cfSRQ)

Oh, that is a given. No doubt. And Congress can and should rein in the power of the Court, if through no other way than to restructure the federal court system (show me how that cannot be done constitutionally; Article III only establishes a Supreme Court, not the other "inferior courts"). Nothing you say is wrong.

But for my purposes I was focusing more on Mr. Roberts. Though one could argue what I outlined about Mr. Roberts is more than enough reason and motivation for Congress to rein in the Courts, and if not them, then the people via the Constitutional Amendment process.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 12, 2020 08:31 AM (ejsiI)

222 Interesting, but none of the Democrats I had dinner with last night mentioned Roger Stone's case. The only DEMOCRAT guy making a big deal of it nationally, so far as I can see, is Mitt Romney.



Hahahahah!!

Posted by: runner at July 12, 2020 08:31 AM (k2yk7)

223 Direct link to the State report of that child Covid-associated death in South Carolina.

https://tinyurl.com/ya9tlnc8

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 12, 2020 08:31 AM (3D/fK)

224 Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 12, 2020 08:24 AM (ejsiI)


Your math education sounds a lot like mine. I didnt get Algebra until I went to raise my GT in Germany so I could apply for warrant officer. The German civilian teaching the rudimentary math class realized what my problem was and changed how she taught me. Math just clicked for me after that.

I loathe public school math teachers with the heat of a million suns for that.

Junior-ette gets math, she had a teacher in 6th grade that used the examples in real life for why math works and is needed. Now she's pretty advanced.

Posted by: BifBewalski - sinis est culus at July 12, 2020 08:32 AM (VcFUs)

225 >>So yeah, he'd asked the right question but for the wrong reason. Posted by: Citizen at July 12, 2020 08:30 AM (ldmQ

"You are illiterate. You should repeat sixth grade, and when you've managed that, you should use your newfound mastery of the written word to sue your elementary school. Do this now."

Posted by: Zod at July 12, 2020 08:33 AM (XzT/D)

226 Masks = national psychosis.

Posted by: runner at July 12, 2020 08:33 AM (k2yk7)

227 When I was a ute, skool lunches were nasty, vile mystery meat things served by big black wimmens who looked like they were on work release from prison.

The pizza was the worst. Square, with grey/pinkish meat and a taste all it's own.

I tried not to eat at any skool I went to.

More coffee.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 12, 2020 08:34 AM (Z+IKu)

228 Of course most everyone can name a FAVORITE teacher...but remembering them objectively, how many can say they had genuinely GOOD teachers? That'd be an interesting thing to ask.
Posted by: Citizen

---

Mrs Tonypete taught a master's level education class at The large midwestern university this past fall. After meeting for the first time, she pitched the planned syllabus and switched to demonstrating to the little darlings how to do elementary math for special ed kids so that they could impart it to their students.

When it came time for final grades, two of her worst students bitched about their grades (and lack of recommendations) because it would ruin their, up until that time, perfect 4.0.

The students in grade school are hosed.

Posted by: Tonypete at July 12, 2020 08:34 AM (Rvt88)

229 think BLM will probably become another Rainbow Coalition, and extort big money from corporations...All they have to do is ask Jesse Jackson to be a consultant. ***

Posted by: Colin at July 12, 2020 07:02 AM (bhBSF)



Become? I think its already there.

Posted by: LASue at July 12, 2020 08:35 AM (Ed8Zd)

230 Dude, a kindergarten teacher only needs to know the colors and the numbers from 1-10.

*snort*

Then why are we even paying for Kindergarten 'teachers' when their moms and dads, or Sesame Street could do that?

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 12, 2020 08:35 AM (XHBUA)

231 I don't think Roberts is mismanaging anything. He's running the FISC just the way he wants. That's the problem.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 12, 2020 08:36 AM (3H9h1)

232 215There has to be some minimum standard, not some sliding scale of half-assed mediocrity like we have now.





Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 12, 2020 08:30 AM (XHBUA)
Back when I was in a community college taking computer programming courses, one of the instructors was literally teaching out of the book. She never had any exposure to the language she was supposed to be teaching. This was back in 1985.Fast foward a few years and I was living in NC. I thought it would be a good idea to complete my bachelor's degree. Went to a local small university to start my degree. The first course I was in was taught by the Computer Science chairperson. Though she never ever worked in IT in any capacity. No, she was a Dr in Psychology but went back to school to get just enough credits so she could teach Computer Science.And this was in post-secondary education.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at July 12, 2020 08:36 AM (D3cJf)

233 72 I had dinner with a friend who used to be chair of the Demofascist party locally. He's leaving the state, saying the Conn-NY-NJ governor cabal is shortly going to jointly announce big tax increases and new ongoing Covid-based social contact rules. If Biden wins they want to make this effort national, so that people can't run away to Florida or Texas and escape.
Posted by: Huck Follywood, hunker in the bunker at July 12, 2020 07:16 AM (NVYyb)

The governor of NJ is already way ahead of the other two - Months ago, at the very beginning of the pandemic, he took away the Homestead Rebate ( where the S.O.B.s in the government use your tax money for TWO years, give you back part of it and then TAX you on it again!) and the Senior Citizens' Property Tax Abatement ..where the state kindly gives the elderly a break on your property taxes so you can still afford to live in the house you worked your ass-off to pay off decades ago...

This has resulted in many seniors being on the hook for several thousands of dollars this year that they somehow have to find in their budget and there is no end to this in sight.

Posted by: RondinellaMamma at July 12, 2020 08:36 AM (8/7u2)

234 225

The Master's program dared not tell him that. They'd already accepted him into the program so it was their fault this illiterate had gotten that far undetected.

Plus, black. Hurting his feelings is contraindicated.

Posted by: Citizen at July 12, 2020 08:36 AM (ldmQR)

235 Guess I'll be here al lot today.




Later there is a book thread, but it requires pants. There is also a food thread where CBD talks about sois videing things he finds in his back yard. Then Weasel posts videos. It's kinda fun!

Posted by: runner at July 12, 2020 08:37 AM (k2yk7)

236 Years ago I personally met a young black man, mid 20s, attending a Master's program for teaching. That means he already had a B.A. in education (from where, no idea).

He came in royally pissed off one day. Admin had gently informed him he was being temporarily sidelined so he could take a remedial writing course. They had no choice, they'd told him, his writing NEEDED help badly.

His complaint was, "How the hell did I get through four years of college, get my B.A., and got accepted to this program if I CAN'T WRITE?"

He was completely without self-awareness because he was convinced he could write and write well.

But I had had opportunity to read his writing. It was so borderline illegible that the quality of his written thoughts could not be guessed at.

So yeah, he'd asked the right question but for the wrong reason.
Posted by: Citizen at July 12, 2020 08:30 AM (ldmQR)

Completely believable. I'll demonstrate.

I was in my master's program a ways back in time and one day while heading to my office (I had one as a teaching assistant), I ran into one of my fellow T.A.s who was in the midst of what looked like an arts & crafts project from second grade. So what's this, I asked.

Turns out he was doing it for his teaching certification. The instructor wanted to grade the arts and crafts project instead because it was easier. Sure, you COULD plump for the traditional academic work if you wanted, but the instructor would retaliate by grading the test in such a way where it was nearly impossible to pass.

Hey, if all you could do was put together cutesy arts and crafts projects to get a teaching certification, or quite possibly an education degree, it would be quite easy to miss piffling things like the ability of a college student (who will soon be put in charge of teaching kids) to read and write.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 12, 2020 08:38 AM (ejsiI)

237 >>I loathe public school math teachers with the heat of a million suns for that.


My son was great with math when young, and then he had an elementary school teacher was in the process of getting an advanced degree in teaching math. Whatever she did, it totally destroyed his love of math, not to mention his joy in school (she was publicly belittling him, though he didn't tell us at the time). It was the worst school year watching our son go from curious and clever to frustrated and losing interest in it. After that year we moved him to private school, but he has yet to re-embrace math. Grrrrrr!

Posted by: Lizzy at July 12, 2020 08:38 AM (bDqIh)

238 The best teacher I had in high school was a guy with 5 o'clock shadow and the slight odor of Old Grand Dad. The guy could really teach, and seemed to enjoy it. Seemed like nobody skipped his class. He wasn't shy about discipline either, no acting out in his class or off to the assistant principal AKA "the Hammer". Actually a paddle withe holes drilled in it.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at July 12, 2020 08:39 AM (C1Lsn)

239 The ultimate carpetbagger, Willard Romney, - his next gig will be in Hell.

Posted by: Fritz at July 12, 2020 08:39 AM (95j/9)

240 221
The Supreme Court will never give up the absolute power it now holds.



Never.
..................
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 12, 2020 08:31 AM (ejsiI)

To be honest, we all put SCOTUS into that position. We made that our hill to die on. It was all about the judges.
Well, now the judges are morphing into the new ruling class. They mold their decisions to be as narrow or broad as they see fit.Meanwhile the rest of Rome continues to burn.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at July 12, 2020 08:40 AM (D3cJf)

241 This has resulted in many seniors being on the hook for several thousands of dollars this year that they somehow have to find in their budget and there is no end to this in sight.
Posted by: RondinellaMamma at July 12, 2020 08:36 AM (8/7u2)

Those senior citizens can and should do without. The government can NEVER do without.

Posted by: Government's point of view everywhere in America at July 12, 2020 08:40 AM (ejsiI)

242 > Then why are we even paying for Kindergarten 'teachers' when their moms and dads, or Sesame Street could do that?

Beats me. I didn't go to kindergarten at all, and it appears to have done me no permanent harm.

I don't think advanced math skills are really that important at ANY level of elementary school, though.

Yeah, when you get into algebra and trig, you need a teacher who can do algebra and trig. But that's junior high, at the lowest.

(speaking as a guy who was one course short of getting a dual math/CS major in undergrad, so I'm not exactly math-phobic)




Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia (kneels to no one on this Earth) at July 12, 2020 08:40 AM (unn44)

243 Actually a paddle withe holes drilled in it.
Posted by: bill in arkansas at July 12, 2020 08:39 AM (C1Lsn)


Heh. My seventh-grade math teacher had one of those. It was aluminum.

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at July 12, 2020 08:40 AM (PiwSw)

244 If the schools don't open fully, they will not open again.

Bank on it. Even in my liberal enclave the parents are saying that if they go online, they might as well home school.

BTW, this is also a function of COVID hysteria, since the good liberals believe everything being said about DEATH PLAGUE FROM STRANGE PLACE. So home schooling is also safer in their minds.

No students = no buildings, and no teachers, and since most school funding is local, federal bailout money won't help.

Same thing with universities. Kids get their parents to pony up $20,000 a semester so they can party away from home, not take lectures on Zoom.

They are destroying themselves but don't realize it.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 12, 2020 08:41 AM (cfSRQ)

245 Well...that was interesting.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 12, 2020 08:41 AM (3D/fK)

246 239 The ultimate carpetbagger, Willard Romney, - his next gig will be in Hell.
Posted by: Fritz at July 12, 2020 08:39 AM (95j/9)

And who knows? He is so shifty and spineless he'll turn his back on God for far less than, say, 30 pieces of silver. He'll probably be Satan's homie in no time.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 12, 2020 08:41 AM (ejsiI)

247 This has resulted in many seniors being on the hook for several thousands of dollars this year that they somehow have to find in their budget and there is no end to this in sight.

Posted by: RondinellaMamma at July 12, 2020 08:36 AM (8/7u2)


Darn good thing the Jeffersonian concept of "consent of the governed" is was enshrined in US Constitutional Law!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar -YOU are all in this together!- at July 12, 2020 08:42 AM (eTZoJ)

248 I never (hardly ever) ate in the school cafe. I lived within easy walking distance of school. I had to fix my own lunch because my mother worked. Campbell's soup everyday or bologna sandwich. No wonder I weighed 115 pounds in HS. Went to 155 in the military.

Posted by: Colin at July 12, 2020 08:42 AM (bhBSF)

249 243
Actually a paddle withe holes drilled in it.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at July 12, 2020 08:39 AM (C1Lsn)





Heh. My seventh-grade math teacher had one of those. It was aluminum.



Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at July 12, 2020 08:40 AM (PiwSw)

My FIL made one for my brother-in-law when he was in 3rd Grade and sent it into school. He actually wrote "P.A.D.D.L.E." on the wood. "Persuasion And Daily Doses Linger Endlessly".

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at July 12, 2020 08:42 AM (D3cJf)

250 Divide each side by 'a' to make the polynomial monic.

Math.

Posted by: Zod at July 12, 2020 08:42 AM (XzT/D)

251 216
But I had had opportunity to read his writing. It was so borderline illegible that the quality of his written thoughts could not be guessed at.

So yeah, he'd asked the right question but for the wrong reason.
Posted by: Citizen at July 12, 2020 08:30 AM (ldmQR)

Have you ever read Michelle Obama's college thesis? The one she wrote to graduate from Princeton? I had nuns for teachers in grammar school who have never let me out of fourth grade with writing like Michelle O's.

Posted by: RondinellaMamma at July 12, 2020 08:43 AM (8/7u2)

252 165 Well, Maxwell has lived longer than I predicted.
Posted by: Jewells45 at July 12, 2020 08:06 AM (dUJdY)

---------------------------

Maybe there's a deadman's switch. She dies, and the videos get released.

I'm actually kind of surprised Epstein didn't have such a setup, which makes me doubt he had any video (either that, or they waited to bust him until they could ensure that the switch wouldn't trigger).

Posted by: No One of Consequence at July 12, 2020 08:44 AM (CAJOC)

253 Speaking of IL FOID cards, I finished applying for mine yesterday. It's not that hard, you can do it online and it costs only $10 (yes, I know it should cost nothing but at least that's doable). As long as you don't have a history of felony convictions, domestic violence or stalking, or serious mental illness you shouldn't have any problem getting one.

Posted by: Secret Square at July 12, 2020 08:44 AM (9WuX0)

254 I still get scared when I think of trying to diagram a sentence, never could figure it out, and probably write badly today because of it.

Posted by: Colin at July 12, 2020 08:44 AM (bhBSF)

255 Congress has abandoned it's responsibilities to the bureaucracy and the courts. And the only duty the Senate appears to take seriously is appointing the judges.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 12, 2020 08:44 AM (oVJmc)

256 > Maybe there's a deadman's switch. She dies, and the videos get released.

I think she's already spilled her guts and made a deal.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia (kneels to no one on this Earth) at July 12, 2020 08:44 AM (unn44)

257 When it finally gets to the Supreme Court, is Roberts going to call the mandate for citizens to buy masks in order to exercise the first amendment a fee or a tax?


Neither. He'll rule a mask mandate is OK per the phrase in the Preamble, "...promote the general Welfare..."

In other words, the other two Branches can do whatever promotes the general Welfare of the People of the United States, and it's Constitutional, as long as the Supreme Court says it it OK. And how will the Supreme Court know if a mandate on the People is OK? It will become like the statement about pornography by a past Justice: I know it when I see it.

We should jump ahead to the end-game, now. Simply give the Supreme Court the powers of the other two Branches. The Democrats will be totes OK with that, when they achieve their ultimate dream of loading the Court with thought clones of RBG and Sotomayor.


Posted by: Gref at July 12, 2020 08:45 AM (AMIL/)

258 To be honest, we all put SCOTUS into that position.





There is truth to that- Congress is where the laws made. I mean , SCOTUS is important and having Rehnquist made a difference back in the day. They are too slow. By the time a case gets heard, life moved on , everyone forgot . Plus, no age limit, senile coots and corpses on it.

Posted by: runner at July 12, 2020 08:45 AM (k2yk7)

259 The Floyd case could turn out like the Freddy Grey case in Baltimore, where the videos (from bystanders) initially made it look like the cops had intentionally injured him, but then when the rest of the evidence was considered and you could see the whole context, it became clear that something very different had happened.


Saw on OAN that the cops' lawyers produced an almost literal ton of Minneapolis training documents showing exactly the hold they used on Floyd. Would be interesting if the cops walked and the city then got sued.

Posted by: Ian S. at July 12, 2020 08:45 AM (6XLoz)

260 >>256 > Maybe there's a deadman's switch. She dies, and the videos get released.

Ghislaine, or Hillary?

Posted by: Zod at July 12, 2020 08:45 AM (XzT/D)

261 The best math teachers I ever had were in a community college. They challenged you to think about the subject was and understand the process involved, not just do something by rote memory. They also stated up front that passing the class was entirely optional and entirely dependent on demonstrating command of the subject matter.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 12, 2020 08:46 AM (XHBUA)

262 Posted by: Jewells45 at July 12, 2020 07:45 AM (dUJdY)

{{{Jewells45}}}
Rest
Ice
Compression
Elevation

Hope you bounce back, from much personal experience knee problems are NO fun!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar -YOU are all in this together!- at July 12, 2020 08:46 AM (eTZoJ)

263 239 The ultimate carpetbagger, Willard Romney, - his next gig will be in Hell.
Posted by: Fritz at July 12, 2020 08:39 AM (95j/9)
And who knows? He is so shifty and spineless he'll turn his back on God for far less than, say, 30 pieces of silver. He'll probably be Satan's homie in no time.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 12, 2020 08:41 AM (ejsiI)

Yup....for his next trick he will become a muzzie and move to New Joisey or Minneesooda and become their new senator.

More coffee.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 12, 2020 08:46 AM (Z+IKu)

264 They are destroying themselves but don't realize it.




Shhhhhh!

Posted by: runner at July 12, 2020 08:46 AM (k2yk7)

265 One of my very first lessons as a Navy recruiter in the inner city of B'More was that High School counselors were telling every student that they were college level performers, and should be going to college.

We gave students the Enlisted Screening Test that were unable to perform at the Fourth Grade level of math and reading.

Yet were convinced that they were College bound.

And this was in the early 90's.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 12, 2020 08:46 AM (3D/fK)

266 I still get scared when I think of trying to diagram a sentence, never could figure it out, and probably write badly today because of it.
Posted by: Colin at July 12, 2020 08:44 AM (bhBSF)


Nothing helped me to understand English syntax half as much as learning other languages did. Looking at it from the outside, like you do when you're learning a new language, made it all click into place.

Posted by: hogmartin at July 12, 2020 08:47 AM (t+qrx)

267 But for my purposes I was focusing more on Mr.
Roberts. Though one could argue what I outlined about Mr. Roberts is
more than enough reason and motivation for Congress to rein in the
Courts, and if not them, then the people via the Constitutional
Amendment process.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 12, 2020 08:31 AM (ejsiI)

---
But it isn't about Roberts.

They all play the game. Look at the decisions in the past couple of weeks. By a 7-2 majority they completely rewrote title VII of employment law and then turned around and by the exact same margin carved out a very large religious exception to it.

They negotiate this stuff, it's not like it's a secret ballot or everything. They swap votes for things they want. You can see it right there

"Okay, if you let us rewrite the law to make gay and trans a protected class, we'll give you back churches and religious schools."

"Deal!"

The law is not even an issue any more, since they can rewrite it at will.

And Congress is fine with it because most of them are leftists, and the "conservatives" don't really care about conserving anything, just getting rich.

That's why the current disruption will be interesting because when a system collapses, ALL of it goes, not just the parts one side dislikes.

People need to brighten up because the left will suffer far more than the right. We've already lost all the institutions the left is now tearing down.


Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 12, 2020 08:47 AM (cfSRQ)

268 Last night we were talking with the mother of my half-siblings.

She was a child on Saipan in WWII.

At one point she was with her aunt and uncle, and things had become so desperate that the uncle found a gun, and said to the aunt, go take her out to the ocean and drown her, and then come back, I will shoot you and then myself.

After the aunt had let her go in the ocean, the waves washed her onto a rock and then she was crying "please don't let me die."

The aunt came back and got her.

They decided not to kill themselves.

That is hard.

Posted by: blaster at July 12, 2020 08:47 AM (Ieq1i)

269 No outcome of the cops case in Minneapolis until the first blizzard hits, please.

Posted by: Colin at July 12, 2020 08:47 AM (bhBSF)

270 Goya beens were on sale so stocked up with a few of every kind and got olives for my salads.
Paper towels were all but non existent again.

Posted by: Skip at July 12, 2020 08:48 AM (6f16T)

271 Finally, remember there's a quality Goya product for every meal. Pork medallions, rice and Goya black beans for dinner today.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at July 12, 2020 08:48 AM (C1Lsn)

272 >>Romney

Ever since I read it, I can't help but recall Julie Kelly's excellent takedown of him entitled "Everyone Knows A Mitt Romney" whenever I see his name.

Posted by: Zod at July 12, 2020 08:49 AM (XzT/D)

273 Posted by: No One of Consequence at July 12, 2020 08:44 AM (CAJOC)

She was on the loose long enough and clever enough to have a really good dead "man" switch.

But I still bet she will never sleep easy another night in her life!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar -YOU are all in this together!- at July 12, 2020 08:49 AM (eTZoJ)

274 Lloyd hadn't thought of a swap votes before but this week sure looks like it.

Posted by: Skip at July 12, 2020 08:50 AM (6f16T)

275 Mueller has an op ed in WaPo about Stone still being a convicted felon.

1 - who wrote it for him

2 - if the guy had any shred of decency, he'd apologize stating he knew he didn't have anything from the beginning

Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at July 12, 2020 08:50 AM (b8J4P)

276 Hope you bounce back, from much personal experience knee problems are NO fun!

Yeah lots of rest today. Doctor told me years ago my knees were shot.. just a matter of time before surgery is needed.

Posted by: Jewells45 at July 12, 2020 08:50 AM (dUJdY)

277 270 I happily bought Goya products. Nice bean salad side on the menu for dinner. Barbecue chicken and salads. Yum

Posted by: CN at July 12, 2020 08:51 AM (j5am2)

278 People need to brighten up because the left will suffer far more than the right. We've already lost all the institutions the left is now tearing down.

==


Good analysis.

Posted by: runner at July 12, 2020 08:51 AM (k2yk7)

279 " mandate for citizens to buy masks in order to exercise the first amendment a fee or a tax?"

he will combine it and make it a Fax ... we still have free speech, but you must submit your speech by Fax ... and wear a mask.

Posted by: illiniwek at July 12, 2020 08:51 AM (Cus5s)

280 WTF did the schools do with the money they didn't spend

@@@@@@

meals on wheels - 2X or 3X per day

Posted by: Piratepatch from the flood zone at July 12, 2020 08:51 AM (2Dig8)

281 If the schools don't open fully, they will not open again.

Bank on it. Even in my liberal enclave the parents are saying that if they go online, they might as well home school.

BTW,
this is also a function of COVID hysteria, since the good liberals
believe everything being said about DEATH PLAGUE FROM STRANGE PLACE. So
home schooling is also safer in their minds.

No students = no buildings, and no teachers, and since most school funding is local, federal bailout money won't help.

Same
thing with universities. Kids get their parents to pony up $20,000 a
semester so they can party away from home, not take lectures on Zoom.

They are destroying themselves but don't realize it.





Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 12, 2020 08:41 AM

---

This.


I think we are going to see a paradigm shift in the way education is conducted in this Country due to the Kung Flu.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at July 12, 2020 08:52 AM (JUOKG)

282 >>275 Mueller has an op ed in WaPo about Stone still being a convicted felon.

3 - Mueller has been redesignated from "cigar-store Indian" to "cigar-store Native American."

Posted by: Zod at July 12, 2020 08:52 AM (XzT/D)

283 Yet were convinced that they were College bound.
And this was in the early 90's.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 12, 2020 08:46 AM (3D/fK)


I hope you didn't use those test results to discourage people that were turning their lives around!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar -YOU are all in this together!- at July 12, 2020 08:52 AM (eTZoJ)

284 236

YEP.

Ed colleges are often diploma mills, but they're the unique kind of diploma mills that can get illiterates into well-paying public service jobs.

Posted by: Citizen at July 12, 2020 08:53 AM (ldmQR)

285 I have a serious question for the mask people. Do you plan to wear the mask forever or just until you're told you can remove it?

Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at July 12, 2020 08:53 AM (1Dmt5)

286 255 Congress has abandoned it's responsibilities to the bureaucracy and the courts. And the only duty the Senate appears to take seriously is appointing the judges.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 12, 2020 08:44 AM (oVJmc)

We have all been aggrieved by recent SCOTUS decisions (Oklahoma is really an Indian Reservation? Oh come on, Gorsuch!) but the core problem is that Court has now been granted Power that was never even imagined in the Constitution. The Court is now a true Super Legislature, making New Law and choosing which of the old laws to keep and which to revise or toss. And it's happened because Congress wants it this way - because it lets all th Congressmen and Senators out of making any hard decision, or taking any real stands. This way they can play Kabuki theater while doing nothing except raking in cash from their many donors, which is all any of them are actually interested in doing.

When you give 9 appointed men, who have never had to stand for any elective office, absolute unchecked power over the entire country, they are going to rule like Tyrants, because Power always has that effect. We now live under a Tyranny of 9.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 12, 2020 08:53 AM (V2Yro)

287 281
I think we are going to see a paradigm shift in the way education is conducted in this Country due to the Kung Flu.


Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at July 12, 2020 08:52 AM (JUOKG)

First off, parents will realize that yes -their child is a behavior problem. Next, they'll (hopefully) realize how little their child is getting from them paying $15k/year to educate their child (via state taxes)

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at July 12, 2020 08:54 AM (D3cJf)

288 There has to be some minimum standard, not some sliding scale of half-assed mediocrity like we have now.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 12, 2020 08:30 AM (XHBUA)

Currently, our education system cannot get to mediocrity. Well below that level. BA's in Education are the lowest of the lows at any university. Yet they get their diplomas because they are in a closed system in the College of Education which is made up of people just like them.

Posted by: Agitator at July 12, 2020 08:54 AM (y/e6R)

289 238 The best teacher I had in high school was a guy with 5 o'clock shadow and the slight odor of Old Grand Dad. The guy could really teach, and seemed to enjoy it. Seemed like nobody skipped his class. He wasn't shy about discipline either, no acting out in his class or off to the assistant principal AKA "the Hammer". Actually a paddle withe holes drilled in it.
Posted by: bill in arkansas at July 12, 2020 08:39 AM (C1Lsn)

I am thankful the days of corporal punishment are long gone. There are just too many teachers who get off on the power (or on the paddling; I knew an assistant principal in MS who I would swear to you got off sexually on paddling students; he was a VERY evil man).

While pursuing the teaching certification (going back at it again soon, bloody "pandemic") I ran into a video clip about "what makes a teacher great" and some comment was made about you'd know the teacher was great if the kids were making every effort to get back into school just to go to said teacher's class...

So I raided my archive and found my old medical record, starting practically from birth. It even indicates an eye exam initiated by an idiot second-grade teacher I had who insisted I get one because she didn't like the way I wrote or held a pencil (all of which was naturally caused by bad vision in her view). Throughout elementary school when I went to the doctor or the dentist it was treated, with few exceptions, as an all-day thing. I typically went in the morning and was out of school for the day.

Except, I noted, all of my medical appointments in fourth grade. Each and every one of my medical appointments in fourth grade took place in the afternoon, after school. I missed only two days of fourth grade and that was for my trip to Berlin (which my teacher enthusiastically supported; yes, I was a brat in Germany at the time). To me, that said it all.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 12, 2020 08:54 AM (ejsiI)

290 Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
Do RINO'S Pat Toomey & Mitt Romney have any problem with the fact that we caught Obama, Biden, & Company illegally spying on my campaign? Do they care if Comey, McCabe, Page & her lover, Peter S, the whole group, ran rampant, wild & unchecked - lying & leaking all the way? NO!

Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at July 12, 2020 08:54 AM (1Dmt5)

291 Just finished watching Night Train to Munich, a 1940 thriller with Rex Harrison and Margaret Lockwood. Dynamite story and with touches of humor in the right place; a Carol Reed-directed movie.

Morning, all!

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 12, 2020 08:55 AM (rpbg1)

292 Yeah lots of rest today. Doctor told me years ago my knees were shot.. just a matter of time before surgery is needed.

Posted by: Jewells45 at July 12, 2020 08:50 AM (dUJdY)


Jewells, I finally got my really bad knee replaced a few years back. I remain convinced that it was one of the best things I have ever decided to do!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar -YOU are all in this together!- at July 12, 2020 08:55 AM (eTZoJ)

293 >>285 I have a serious question for the mask people. Do you plan to wear the mask forever or just until you're told you can remove it? Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at July 12, 2020 08:53 AM (1Dmt5)

Forever. Zod's mask has been surgically installed. it will be present at my viewing, and Beyond. This is known.

Posted by: Zod at July 12, 2020 08:55 AM (XzT/D)

294 A teacher had a article read by Prager I think ( but listen to lots of shows so not positive) that right after the apocalypse and classes went on line a small percentage of students hung through the entire courses, another percentage started but dropped off and many logged in to start never to appear again.

Posted by: Skip at July 12, 2020 08:55 AM (6f16T)

295 265

Don't know if it's true but I've heard the ASVAB has been toughened up a lot over the past decade or so, making it much tougher to pass than before.

Posted by: Citizen at July 12, 2020 08:55 AM (ldmQR)

296 "I hope you didn't use those test results to discourage people that were turning their lives around!"

Heh!!!

Wanna see a side of city living that you never suspected before?

Become a military inner city Recruiter.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 12, 2020 08:56 AM (3D/fK)

297 Of course most everyone can name a FAVORITE teacher...but remembering them objectively, how many can say they had genuinely GOOD teachers? That'd be an interesting thing to ask.
Posted by: Citizen at July 12, 2020 08:13 AM (ldmQR)
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Of course I went to school riding pterosaurs, so it may not be relevant, but the vast majority of my teachers were good to great. I got a very good education.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 12, 2020 08:56 AM (Dc2NZ)

298 Single best thing that could be done to help public schools, and the country: bring back Civics (it's coming back to Florida this or next year) and real world job training courses in H.S. Get most of the kids off the dead-end college track, most of them never belonged on it.

Posted by: Citizen at July 12, 2020 08:57 AM (ldmQR)

299 >>I got a very good education. Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 12, 2020 08:56 AM (Dc2NZ)

Similarly fortunate here, and grateful for it.

Posted by: Zod at July 12, 2020 08:57 AM (XzT/D)

300 Social distancing is snake oil, not science.

Article from "American Thinker"

https://tinyurl.com/ybknju2n

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 12, 2020 08:58 AM (oDRcK)

301 Just wore my face shield again, no complaints, of course all it does is prevent direct air but thats all most masks do anyway, and having your nose exposed isn't doing anything.

Posted by: Skip at July 12, 2020 08:58 AM (6f16T)

302 Next, they'll (hopefully) realize how little their child is getting from them paying $15k/year to educate their child (via state taxes)

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at July 12, 2020 08:54 AM (D3cJf)


It's cute that you think they will ever cut taxes or disestablish the edumacational bureaucracy to save your money.

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar -YOU are all in this together!- at July 12, 2020 08:58 AM (eTZoJ)

303 237 >>I loathe public school math teachers with the heat of a million suns for that.


My son was great with math when young, and then he had an elementary school teacher was in the process of getting an advanced degree in teaching math. Whatever she did, it totally destroyed his love of math, not to mention his joy in school (she was publicly belittling him, though he didn't tell us at the time). It was the worst school year watching our son go from curious and clever to frustrated and losing interest in it. After that year we moved him to private school, but he has yet to re-embrace math. Grrrrrr!
Posted by: Lizzy at July 12, 2020 08:38 AM (bDqIh)

------------------------------

Look on Youtube for applied math videos. He might come back to math if he sees it being explained by people who truly enjoy the subject.

My son has been watching a series where the guy is doing world-building. A lot of the videos are really in-depth in discussing evolutionary forces that would drive adaptation. I've no idea how much my son is retaining, but he seems fascinated by it.

Posted by: No One of Consequence at July 12, 2020 08:59 AM (CAJOC)

304 I remain convinced that it was one of the best things I have ever decided to do!

Good!! I'm sure I will feel the same way..just hate the thought of surgery, then recovery.

Posted by: Jewells45 at July 12, 2020 08:59 AM (dUJdY)

305 Don't know if it's true but I've heard the ASVAB has been toughened up a lot over the past decade or so, making it much tougher to pass than before.

When my oldest boy decided to go into the Corps several years ago, I bought him a study guide to prep for the ASVAB. The majority of subject matter was essentially what used to be taught in 8th grade back in the day.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 12, 2020 09:00 AM (XHBUA)

306 Our local district had the policy that any of the work done during quarantine could only help your grade for the final quarter, it couldn't hurt it. So with a scheme like that, what are your mediocrities going to do? Take it and run, that's what. No sense doing work if you're already at a level you're satisfied with.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 12, 2020 09:00 AM (oVJmc)

307 Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 12, 2020 08:56 AM (3D/fK)

VIA, I do not even want to think about that! I hope you got hazardous duty pay for that time!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar -YOU are all in this together!- at July 12, 2020 09:00 AM (eTZoJ)

308 297

Yours was the generation of teachers not fully infiltrated yet.

Posted by: Citizen at July 12, 2020 09:00 AM (ldmQR)

309 288 There has to be some minimum standard, not some sliding scale of half-assed mediocrity like we have now.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 12, 2020 08:30 AM (XHBUA)

Currently, our education system cannot get to mediocrity. Well below that level. BA's in Education are the lowest of the lows at any university. Yet they get their diplomas because they are in a closed system in the College of Education which is made up of people just like them.

Posted by: Agitator at July 12, 2020 08:54 AM (y/e6R)


The "higher" education system has become a racket. Give me your money and I'll give you a diploma, sucker! Big business and the government are in on the racket.

They can't sustain the racket if they begin giving failing grades to more than a very small number of the suckers. Word gets around on the street.

Posted by: Gref at July 12, 2020 09:00 AM (AMIL/)

310 I still get scared when I think of trying to diagram a sentence, never could figure it out, and probably write badly today because of it.
Posted by: Colin at July 12, 2020 08:44 AM (bhBSF)


I don't have this, but it's on my list of things to get, and it's got good reviews:

https://tinyurl.com/y7upprge




Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at July 12, 2020 09:01 AM (PiwSw)

311 "The majority of subject matter was essentially what used to be taught in 8th grade back in the day."

Ah, so it HAS been toughened up!

I kid, I kid.

Or am I?

Posted by: Citizen at July 12, 2020 09:01 AM (ldmQR)

312 " The majority of subject matter was essentially what used to be taught in 8th grade back in the day."

Most enlisted training has always been written at the 8th Grade level.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 12, 2020 09:01 AM (3D/fK)

313 Book Noood!

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at July 12, 2020 09:01 AM (PiwSw)

314
They all play the game. Look at the decisions in the past couple of weeks. By a 7-2 majority they completely rewrote title VII of employment law and then turned around and by the exact same margin carved out a very large religious exception to it.

They negotiate this stuff, it's not like it's a secret ballot or everything. They swap votes for things they want. You can see it right there

"Okay, if you let us rewrite the law to make gay and trans a protected class, we'll give you back churches and religious schools."

"Deal!"
The law is not even an issue any more, since they can rewrite it at will.
And Congress is fine with it because most of them are leftists, and the "conservatives" don't really care about conserving anything, just getting rich.

You make very good points, I see it exactly the same way. These recent decisions were negotiated as a package, which is SUPPOSED to be done by Elected Representatives who answer to the Voters.

Instead, they're made by 9 Justices with absolute power who are shielded from public accountability completely.

Everyone today seems to have forgotten that Checks and Balances were not built into the system just to make it "better"; they were built into the system to try and keep it from becoming so non-responsive that armed insurrection was the only option left.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 12, 2020 09:01 AM (V2Yro)

315 302
Next, they'll (hopefully) realize how little their child is getting
from them paying $15k/year to educate their child (via state taxes)



Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at July 12, 2020 08:54 AM (D3cJf)



It's cute that you think they will ever cut taxes or disestablish the edumacational bureaucracy to save your money.

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar -YOU are all in this together!- at July 12, 2020 08:58 AM (
Oh, I don't think that at all. It is a given that once this huge leviathon has been grown and fed, that it will never ever go hungry.Now that we are empty nesters, Mrs. OCiS and I are starting to look to get out of this taxation hell we are in (NH believe it or not). Just don't know where (what state/area) to move to yet.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at July 12, 2020 09:01 AM (D3cJf)

316
Nothing helped me to understand English syntax half as much as learning other languages did. Looking at it from the outside, like you do when you're learning a new language, made it all click into place.
Posted by: hogmartin at July 12, 2020 08:47 AM (t+qrx)

This^^^ x 10,000. Diagramming sentences were such a waste of time. And in sophomore English, I had a pretentious, pompous ass of a teacher who swore up and down that when he showed how to diagram sentences in Cambridge (yes, THAT Cambridge), they were amazed at his system of doing so. (At my young age I was already thinking "So why the fuck aren't you there now?")

He also used to gavel his classes to order, and would gavel them like a judge if we got too loud for his tastes. (Midway through the year, someone jacked his precious gavel, and it was never seen again as far as I know, and the unknown student is forever a hero to students unfortunate enough to have his English class.)

I took a German class later and just as you said, since I could compare German and English grammar, I wound up understanding English better. (And my German teacher was amazing as well.)

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 12, 2020 09:02 AM (ejsiI)

317 I am having regular conversations with my neighbors about school (property) taxes these days. Especially glad we managed to defeat the football stadium / band hall bond issue 2 years ago.

Posted by: Heart of Darkness at July 12, 2020 09:02 AM (VLqkb)

318 Good!! I'm sure I will feel the same way..just hate the thought of surgery, then recovery.
Posted by: Jewells45 at July 12, 2020 08:59 AM (dUJdY)


You have to think long term thoughts before you do this. Short term, it is NOT fun. And you can choose to muddle through the rest of your life or...

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar -YOU are all in this together!- at July 12, 2020 09:02 AM (eTZoJ)

319 You can't send every kid to college if you don't lower standards and provide courses for idiots.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 12, 2020 09:02 AM (oVJmc)

320 Face masks pose a serious threat to healthy individuals, Dr Russell Blaylock :

https://tinyurl.com/yccd3e55

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 12, 2020 09:03 AM (oDRcK)

321 Just don't know where (what state/area) to move to yet.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at July 12, 2020 09:01 AM (D3cJf)


I think I'd love to have you as a neighbor, BUT I cannot, as an honest man, recommend Virginia!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar -YOU are all in this together!- at July 12, 2020 09:04 AM (eTZoJ)

322 317 I am having regular conversations with my neighbors about school (property) taxes these days. Especially glad we managed to defeat the football stadium / band hall bond issue 2 years ago.
Posted by: Heart of Darkness at July 12, 2020 09:02 AM (VLqkb)

But that's all school is for! You big bunch of meanies!!!

(I'm not eating Frosted Flakes anytime soon; not since Kellogg's went on a laughable crusade to "Save School Sports". Sports is THE raison d'etre of American high schools. Don't give me this crap about how school sports are endangered.)

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 12, 2020 09:05 AM (ejsiI)

323 Face masks pose a serious threat to healthy individuals, Dr Russell Blaylock :

https://tinyurl.com/yccd3e55

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 12, 2020 09:03 AM (oDRcK)


People, check the exact wording of the local Emperor's edict. I think by Federal law there has to be a medical exemption, which cannot be challenged due to HIPAA (at least until Roberts rules that is is really a tax)!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar -YOU are all in this together!- at July 12, 2020 09:07 AM (eTZoJ)

324 314
They all play the game. Look at the decisions in the past couple of weeks. By a 7-2 majority they completely rewrote title VII of employment law and then turned around and by the exact same margin carved out a very large religious exception to it.

They negotiate this stuff, it's not like it's a secret ballot or everything. They swap votes for things they want. You can see it right there

"Okay, if you let us rewrite the law to make gay and trans a protected class, we'll give you back churches and religious schools."

"Deal!"
The law is not even an issue any more, since they can rewrite it at will.
And Congress is fine with it because most of them are leftists, and the "conservatives" don't really care about conserving anything, just getting rich.

You make very good points, I see it exactly the same way. These recent decisions were negotiated as a package, which is SUPPOSED to be done by Elected Representatives who answer to the Voters.

Instead, they're made by 9 Justices with absolute power who are shielded from public accountability completely.

Everyone today seems to have forgotten that Checks and Balances were not built into the system just to make it "better"; they were built into the system to try and keep it from becoming so non-responsive that armed insurrection was the only option left.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 12, 2020 09:01 AM (V2Yro)

The founders never anticipated a Congress becoming so scared of offending voters and (GASP!) losing their jobs and those sweet pensions they get after 6 years of "work", that they would farm out decision making in such ways.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 12, 2020 09:08 AM (ejsiI)

325 First off, parents will realize that yes -their child is a behavior problem. Next, they'll (hopefully) realize how little their child is getting from them paying $15k/year to educate their child (via state taxes)
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at July 12, 2020 08:54 AM (D3cJf)

but how do we get around the issue that in many places now, Public "school" is just day care with free food for the kids of meth-heads and single parent households?

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 12, 2020 09:08 AM (V2Yro)

326 Don't know if it's true but I've heard the ASVAB has been toughened up a lot over the past decade or so, making it much tougher to pass than before.
Posted by: Citizen at July 12, 2020 08:55 AM (ldmQR)

It has. There are a few places with comparisons. A coworker and I were comparing ours to his kids when the kid joined the Marines. Evidently my 132 GT and his 134 GT were equivalent to whatever his kid got. He was pissed and told his kid that the bad grades he was getting in college meant that he was just lazy.

Kid is a Lance Corpytoday and well on the way to Sergeant later in the year. Marines are good for mental maturity, as was the Army for me.

Posted by: BifBewalski - sinis est culus at July 12, 2020 09:09 AM (VcFUs)

327 Don't know if it's true but I've heard the ASVAB has
been toughened up a lot over the past decade or so, making it much
tougher to pass than before.



Posted by: Citizen at July 12, 2020 08:55 AM

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No it has not. I was in that business for over 15 years and went through at least 5 revisions of the ASVAB. None of them got any harder.

In fact, RTC Great Lakes was forced to stand up a remedial skills unit about 1990 to teach basic English and math to Recruits who show up without those skills at a level to succeed in the Navy.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at July 12, 2020 09:22 AM (JUOKG)

328 297 Of course most everyone can name a FAVORITE teacher...but remembering them objectively, how many can say they had genuinely GOOD teachers? That'd be an interesting thing to ask.
Posted by: Citizen at July 12, 2020 08:13 AM (ldmQR)
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Of course I went to school riding pterosaurs, so it may not be relevant, but the vast majority of my teachers were good to great. I got a very good education.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 12, 2020 08:56 AM (Dc2NZ)

Define a good teacher.

Mr. Limbaugh would insist that the good teachers are the ones that force you to do better than you even thought possible. I never had a teacher remotely like that.

My senior English teacher did not suffer fools well and ran a tight ship but I learned a great deal about writing in his class. (Indeed, I had one high point in HS - I got a writing award for an essay that began as an assignment in his class. He thought so much of it that he entered it into the contest. The rest is history.)

I've rattled on enough about my fourth grade teacher here, but I'll put it the way my sister did when I told her about the things she did: "I think I know why you have degrees in history now." If you enter my home you will find various books and trinkets about, and from, Berlin. All of those, as far as I am concerned, point directly at my fourth grade teacher. I'd go on with more details of what made her great but I'd crash the server. (OK, one more thing: I NEVER had a teacher, before or after her, who was so curious about what I was checking out of the library, and why, or why I went to the sections of the library that I did. She would talk to me about what I was reading and why and encouraged me to freelance in my learning as much as possible. She was no softie, no pushover, no creampuff - you could immediately tell if you pissed her off - but her encouragement of me going in different directions will always stick out in my mind.

My German teacher made what could be an intimidating subject a little less so. I had an eighth grade English teacher who had a structure in her class that I found very easy to follow. She knew her subject, taught it well, and clearly had our respect (she decided to earn it rather than demand it; I suspect this is why there were practically zero discipline issues in her class the whole year). Running into "The Odyssey" in her class did not hurt.

There were a few others but most of the rest of my teachers were there for summers off and a paycheck.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 12, 2020 09:25 AM (ejsiI)

329 I hope PDTS finds a way to defund universities and severely limit gummint cheese, but 'm afraid that there's no way congress will go along with that.


Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 12, 2020 07:28 AM (XHBUA)

The only carrot to go with that stick is student loan reform. However, I'd much rather see a rag tag bunch of gun slinging lawyers sue the pants off of individual universities for defrauding the students by overstating the resulting earning potential of their Peace Studies degrees.

You want your student debt to go away? That's where the money went, now go claw it back.

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Low Glycemic Souls at July 12, 2020 09:28 AM (Wm5SB)

330 319 You can't send every kid to college if you don't lower standards and provide courses for idiots.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 12, 2020 09:02 AM (oVJmc)

Another issue in school is that the assumption is that every single kid WILL go to college (largely because I suspect the teachers, being products of a college education, cannot begin to imagine another path of success in life). The faster we can get away from this and the faster we can embrace "we all have our role; sometimes that means not going to college, and that's PERFECTLY OK" within the schools, the better off we will all be.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 12, 2020 09:30 AM (ejsiI)

331 265 One of my very first lessons as a Navy recruiter in the inner city of B'More was that High School counselors were telling every student that they were college level performers, and should be going to college.

We gave students the Enlisted Screening Test that were unable to perform at the Fourth Grade level of math and reading.

Yet were convinced that they were College bound.

And this was in the early 90's.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 12, 2020 08:46 AM (3D/fK)

My HS guidance counselors were just one short step above being completely worthless. The fact that they got paychecks were just sheer fraud, waste and abuse.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 12, 2020 09:32 AM (ejsiI)

332
Willowed, but why not.

You can't send every kid to college if you don't lower standards and provide courses for idiots.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 12, 2020 09:02 AM (oVJmc)

And what degree and job will you give them?

EDUCATION / TEACHER!

Posted by: Agitator at July 12, 2020 09:40 AM (y/e6R)

333 "New Math" destroyed my empathy for the mortal souls of math teachers. "Placeholders" my dyin' ***.

Posted by: klaftern at July 12, 2020 09:58 AM (RuIsu)

334 South Carolina reported the first Covid associated death of a child under age five yesterday.



'Flu associated' deaths don't count.


Why aren't we demanding shutdown until we have cure for the flu?

Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at July 12, 2020 10:52 AM (Fh/0r)

335 My body ....my choice = no masks unless I choose....say for Church.

Do admit that I am tempted to ask people....when did you last wash your hands....do you bite your fingernails....wash hands after using the bathroom...feel the need to pick up EACH apple before choosing....

As a parent of five.....I know what can be on those hands.....yuck ~~~

Posted by: bls46 at July 12, 2020 11:35 AM (dBLZb)

336 And what degree and job will you give them?



EDUCATION / TEACHER!

Posted by: Agitator at July 12, 2020 09:40 AM (y/e6R)

===
Journalist

Government bureaucrat
NGO administrator

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at July 12, 2020 11:38 AM (pw+jk)

337 Modern education is like a conveyor belt in a factory. If you move faster or slower than the belt you are a bad widget. Boys are now viewed as dysfunctional girls. But the money just keeps flowing.

Posted by: iandeal at July 12, 2020 11:40 AM (bLfy6)

338 Don't care what any (ANY) court, elected official, bureaucrat issues as an edict - under law or any other motive the latter of which is near exclusively used (wielded). Wearing a mask reduces the odds of contracting the CCP Flew. From what I observe it's the idiots essentially saying it's their Right to contract the virus. FINE, but I'm not hopping into that jackpot with these imbeciles.

Posted by: featherstone at July 12, 2020 11:47 AM (+/4Mh)

339 That, IMHO, is what is motivating Mr. Roberts.

Your opinion fails to explain the Obamacare decision. Remember, Scalia used what would have been Roberts majority decision, as the minority dissent after Roberts suddenly switched sides, days short of court releasing its verdict. The only way that sudden change of mind occurred was as the result of extortion. I think they played one of Epstein's Pedo Island tapes for him.

Posted by: An Observation at July 12, 2020 11:50 AM (xEHgU)

340 Jane Corbin
June 14 at 12:44 PM Shared with Public
THE DAY THE POLICE WERE NO LONGER NEEDED
On August 19, 1966 - Chinese students launched a fight for social justice to fight for the rights of the oppressed in China. It was widely believed that the 'patriarchal system' in China had been created by the 1% and held down women, minorities, and the working class. The students cried out for a revolution and change, and consequentially launched the infamous Chinese Cultural Revolution.
Students put a red band around their arm to stand in solidarity with the oppressed and called for a change on old ideas that they called the FOUR OLDS. The Four Olds were: Old Customs, Old Culture, Old Habits, and Old Ideas.
The movement was supported by the Chinese media.
Mass demonstrations and looting by the students ensued.
Statues were torn down.
Chinese architecture was destroyed.
Classical literature and Chinese paintings were torn apart and burned.
Temples were desecrated.
The Cemetery of Confucius was attacked.
The corpse of the 76th-generation Duke Yansheng was removed from its grave and hung from a tree.
Wealthy homes were attacked and destroyed.
Many families' long-kept genealogy books were burned to ashes.
All of history, in short, was to be removed and replaced. This was the central meaning of Cultural Revolution: That China was going to destroy every trace of its bourgeois (privileged) past and replace it with a new culture built on the principles of Maoism and Marxism.
Communist leaders like President Liu Shaoqi were taken out of power and replaced with men Mao believed were not critical of his reign.
Public leaders who were considered to be oppressive were tried by angry mobs and vigilantes.
Three days later, August 22, 1966, a central directive was issued to stop police intervention. The police were disbanded in the city and the students formed a community solution called the RED GUARD. The RED GUARDS policed the communities and punished anyone who did not agree with their ideas. Even people that supported the movement, but had bad thoughts ("wrong think") could be punished.
Though many Christians supported the movement in the beginning, they quickly became the number one target of the RED GUARDS and public trials were held to condemn them to death.
Many of those that were on board with the cause of the rebellion, in the beginning, saw that it was not really what they had signed up for, but by then it was too late. The power that the Red Guard wanted had already been given.
More people died during the cultural revolution in China than any war, famine, or natural disaster in the history of man. An estimated 20 to 30 million people were killed.
Are you listening America?

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 12, 2020 12:03 PM (NgKpN)

341 Posted by: featherstone at July 12, 2020 11:47 AM (+/4Mh)

Those who trade Freedom for momentary safety, will end up with neither.

Covid is going to run its course through the population. Its just a question of how many people get it, at any one particular time.

There is no cure.

Remember flatten the curve? Well, its flat, mission accomplished. Now let us get our lives back.

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 12, 2020 12:08 PM (NgKpN)

342 Are you listening America?
Yes, that is exactly what is going on here. However, there is one huge difference, Mao was very careful to make sure the victims were disarmed before he started that crap. Here, the potential victims are the most heavily armed people on the planet. Once the intended victims start shooting back, the plot will quickly collapse. You argue the news media will demand the prosecution of the victims who shoot back? I respond, "No, they won't". While you read about "right wing death squads" in North American media, oddly you don't read about them in South American media.

Enemy propaganda is always a legit target.

Posted by: An Observation at July 12, 2020 12:31 PM (xEHgU)

343 #340: SWEEP AWAY THE MONSTERS AND DEMONS!!!

Posted by: Communist Party of China, June 1966 at July 12, 2020 01:55 PM (ejsiI)

344 Forever. Zod's mask has been surgically installed. it will be present at my viewing, and Beyond. This is known.
Posted by: Zod at July 12, 2020 08:55 AM (XzT/D)

Zod has spoken.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 12, 2020 02:09 PM (ejsiI)

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