From Segregation to Isolation [KT]

Christopher Rufo has done some great reporting about recent events in Seattle. About the end of CHAZ, he said:

The CHAZ saga began on June 8, under the premise that capitalism, police brutality, and the "fascist regime" of Seattle mayor Jenny Durkan were upholding a social order that systemically oppressed African-Americans. Black Lives Matter and Antifa-affiliated activists hoped to create a new regime based on familiar social-justice principles of recent years: they established a social order based on a "reverse hierarchy of oppression," implemented race-based segregation in public spaces, and maintained a "police-free zone" that they believed would protect "people of color" from the depredations of the state.
As it turns out, however, maintaining public order is a complex undertaking and can't be replaced by academic symbolism. BLM activists might despise George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and James Madison, but a regime based on the principles of Nikole Hannah-Jones, Ibram X. Kendi, and Robin DiAngelo doesn't work too well. . .

That didn't prevent the City of Seattle from going with some of those principles itself, though. As reported by Rufo at the link under the photo, the City of Seattle is segregating its employees, sort of like CHAZ/CHOP segregated people:

Last month, the City of Seattle's Office of Civil Rights sent an email inviting "white City employees" to attend a training session on "Interrupting Internalized Racial Superiority and Whiteness," a program designed to help white workers examine their "complicity in the system of white supremacy" and "interrupt racism in ways that are accountable to Black, Indigenous and People of Color." Hoping to learn more, I submitted a public records request for all documentation related to the training. The results are disturbing.

A public records request. What a great idea!

At the beginning of the session, the trainers explain that white people have internalized a sense of racial superiority, which has made them unable to access their "humanity" and caused "harm and violence" to people of color. The trainers claim that "individualism," "perfectionism," "intellectualization," and "objectivity" are all vestiges of this internalized racial oppression and must be abandoned in favor of social-justice principles.

I guess this means that we can no longer expect any objectivity from the employees of the City of Seattle. What is this going to mean in practice?

You should read on. It is disturbing.

As part of this process, white employees must abandon their "white normative behavior" and learn to let go of their "comfort," "physical safety," "social status," and "relationships with some other white people." As writer James Lindsay has pointed out, this is not the language of human resources; it is the language of cult programming--persuading members they are defective in some predefined manner, exploiting their emotional vulnerabilities, and isolating them from previous relationships.

Lindsay and others at New Discourses may be able to help if you are faced with the prospect of training like this at your place of employment. FIRE is also fielding calls from panicked employees.

Rufo notes that this training is just part of an ongoing program (in Seattle and elsewhere).

The endgame is to make Seattle's municipal government the arbiter of the new orthodoxy, and then work outward. At the end of the session on "internalized racial superiority," the diversity trainers outline strategies for converting outsiders and recommend specific "practices for interrupting others' whiteness." . . .

Surprise! "Practices for interrupting others' whiteness" is gonna require some people other that white people to learn to let go of their "comfort" and "physical safety", too.

Majority of Seattle council pledges to support Police Department defunding plan laid out by advocates.

A 50% reduction in the police budget?

The segregated training story was picked up by Fox News. Tucker Carlson noted that the nation would be infuriated if similar segregated training were developed just for Black employees.

But I think the Twitter thread in which Rufo first introduced his investigation includes more valuable information than the later news reports for people who wish to really understand how these revolutionaries operate. It includes copies of handouts (YIPES) and other information from the training sessions (though he had not gotten the names of the trainers yet). From a handout:

"How do you know when you've successfully "interrupted your whiteness"?
-When you "implicate yourself" in racism.
-When "other white people may be angry."
-When you have stopped your "white normative behavior."

There were some good responses, too:

I've been fascinated by the level of atrocities of North Korea against its own people and found it very instructive to learn how human dignity can be decimated through brainwashing.
It's amazing that Americans are doing this to themselves.
Historians will be perplexed.

Also think about this training and its isolating effect on "wrong thinkers" in relationship to Cancel Culture. There has been an effort to cancel Steven Pinker recently. He doesn't look real good here as he defines the successor ideology. But what Pinker says goes a long way toward explaining Cancel Culture. It explains why those trying to cancel him seem to be on a war footing. It's short. Take a listen.

VDH suggests that segregation may become detrimental to BLM and the other "Year Zero" thinkers in the long run. We can hope.

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1 Good topic

Posted by: Skip at July 11, 2020 11:18 AM (6f16T)

2 Maybe we should have separate water fountains for blacks and whites.

Posted by: blaster at July 11, 2020 11:19 AM (Ieq1i)

3 As someone said downstairs about the Chinese cultural revolution soon whites will have to wear their crimes around their necks, not just figuratively soon.

Posted by: Skip at July 11, 2020 11:22 AM (6f16T)

4 That program is terrifying. And what could they mean when they talk about abandoning safety? Are they subject to assault?

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at July 11, 2020 11:22 AM (lgiXo)

5 >>"How do you know when you've successfully "interrupted your whiteness"?
-When you "implicate yourself" in racism.
-When "other white people may be angry."
-When you have stopped your "white normative behavior."

This is hysterical.

STOP BEING RESPONSIBLE CITIZENS -

IT OFFENDS OTHERS!

Posted by: garrett at July 11, 2020 11:22 AM (v0GvA)

6 When you have stopped your "white normative behavior."

Won't that make you a cultural appropriator though?

It's almost like the only way to win is not to play.

Posted by: blaster at July 11, 2020 11:22 AM (Ieq1i)

7 Hiya KT !

Posted by: JT at July 11, 2020 11:22 AM (arJlL)

8 Hiya Horde !

Posted by: JT at July 11, 2020 11:23 AM (arJlL)

9 Waiting rooms should have chairs labeled "whites only".

Posted by: torabora at July 11, 2020 11:23 AM (4HVmJ)

10 Hiya, JT! And Everybody!

Posted by: KT at July 11, 2020 11:23 AM (BVQ+1)

11 I wish someone would re-mix Sinatra's tunes and take out the fucking strings. Anything other than him and the Basie Band is just covered up in shitty orchestral movements.

Posted by: garrett at July 11, 2020 11:24 AM (v0GvA)

12 4 That program is terrifying. And what could they mean when they talk about abandoning safety? Are they subject to assault?
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at July 11, 2020 11:22 AM (lgiXo)

Yes. You want cops to protect your goods and your person.

If you will just give that silly notion up, we an give up on cops who will then put black men into the system and/or hurt or kill them.

In other words, lie back and think of England.

Posted by: blaster at July 11, 2020 11:24 AM (Ieq1i)

13 Parking lots should have spaces labeled "whites only".

Posted by: torabora at July 11, 2020 11:24 AM (4HVmJ)

14 Whites should be forced to use their own Drinking Fountains, too.

Posted by: garrett at July 11, 2020 11:25 AM (v0GvA)

15 ALL White Zones should have 50% of their Square Footage given to Minority Communities.

Posted by: garrett at July 11, 2020 11:26 AM (v0GvA)

16 Probably a good thing Trump didn't send the 82nd Airborne into this mess.

This is Seattle's problem, not Trump's.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 11, 2020 11:26 AM (ZLI7S)

17 It all has a rather Alice In Wonderland feel to it.

"When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less.' 'The question is,' said Alice, 'whether you can make words mean so many different things.'

Posted by: Muldoon at July 11, 2020 11:26 AM (Fc5rx)

18 Seattle short form; shoot the white people, they deserve it.

Posted by: azalea city at July 11, 2020 11:27 AM (WX+x0)

19 we are inches away from mass executions

Posted by: harley at July 11, 2020 11:27 AM (2EU+/)

20 "How do you know when you've successfully "interrupted your whiteness"?

Most people pretend not to notice, but usually someone will come up and tell me awkwardly.

Posted by: hogmartin at July 11, 2020 11:27 AM (t+qrx)

21 I wish someone would re-mix Sinatra's tunes and take out the fucking strings. Anything other than him and the Basie Band is just covered up in shitty orchestral movements.
Posted by: garrett at July 11, 2020 11:24 AM (v0GvA)

Agreed but all the fossils running the labels loved that shit overlaying everything including Charlie Parker.

Posted by: Captain Hate at July 11, 2020 11:27 AM (y7DUB)

22 White normative behavior....being on time. Im not kidding. There was a college, Duke I think, where POC students complained that getting marked down in class for being late was racist, as time itself was a white construct.

Posted by: Poster X at July 11, 2020 11:27 AM (3RtN3)

23 Comment from one of the black guys who comes into the bait shop/BS central in this little burg. "Somebody is making bank on this bullshit. Kinda wish it was me".

Posted by: bill in arkansas at July 11, 2020 11:27 AM (C1Lsn)

24 And what could they mean when they talk about abandoning safety?�

...

Welp...

Posted by: McCloskeys at July 11, 2020 11:28 AM (LRt8K)

25 Hi. My name is oldraceral. Apparently, I'm a racist. I don't care. When can we talk about bewbs?

Posted by: oldraceral at July 11, 2020 11:28 AM (9SPyJ)

26 Leftists are moving back to the segregation era, equal but seperate facilities.

Posted by: Skip at July 11, 2020 11:28 AM (6f16T)

27 26

Politics is a circle.

Posted by: Poster X at July 11, 2020 11:29 AM (3RtN3)

28 The race baiters do earn a good chunk of change.

Posted by: Skip at July 11, 2020 11:29 AM (6f16T)

29 Turkey made the Haiga Sophia a mosque again.

Posted by: TexasDan at July 11, 2020 11:30 AM (2HIdp)

30 Leftists are moving back to the segregation era, equal but seperate facilities.
Posted by: Skip at July 11, 2020 11:28 AM (6f16T)

Woodrow Wilson and Margaret Sanger would be so happy.

Posted by: Captain Hate at July 11, 2020 11:30 AM (y7DUB)

31 26 at this rate they will reinvent slavery by 2021

Posted by: vmom 2020 at July 11, 2020 11:30 AM (EGSGm)

32 Yeah, no.

LOLGF

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Who can fight the beast? Revelation 13:4 at July 11, 2020 11:30 AM (HaL55)

33 I see Mitt attacked Trump for commuting Stones sentence... POS damned turncoat... Mitt... Just change your party to Dem

Posted by: Satan at July 11, 2020 11:31 AM (Zmnko)

34 Training useful idiots, until they are no longer useful.

Posted by: jim at July 11, 2020 11:31 AM (ynpvh)

35 Mobile circa 1960 at the Woolworths downtown water fountains labeled whites only. Thanks Barack for the updated version. Oh by the way we aren't south African white farmers. We are many and well armed. Not gonna turn out the same.

Posted by: azalea city at July 11, 2020 11:31 AM (WX+x0)

36 Leftists are moving back to the segregation era, equal but seperate facilities.

I agree with the separate part, but it's far from equal... Didn't you get the message? White folks bad

Posted by: Satan at July 11, 2020 11:32 AM (Zmnko)

37 Iirc Seattle banned the term brown bag lunch a few years ago, cuz well brown, racist!! Theyve been on the cray cray train long before BLm rioting started.

Posted by: Poster X at July 11, 2020 11:32 AM (3RtN3)

38 I'm half Mexican. Does that mean I only have half the work to go, or am I like Zimmerman and the white will always subject me to the full honky self-criticism treatment?

Posted by: jim at July 11, 2020 11:33 AM (ynpvh)

39 Boycott Halsey Taylor! Do it now! They made drinking fountains with colored only signs hung over them. This shall not stand! What do you mean they're out of business? I bet there's a Halsey or a Taylor statue we can tear down! If we can't find one burn Warren, Ohio to the ground, that's where they made them. Rheeee.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at July 11, 2020 11:33 AM (C1Lsn)

40 These garbage people have taken books about the terrors of The Great Cultural Revolution, for instance Life and Death in Shanghai, as textbooks.

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at July 11, 2020 11:34 AM (lgiXo)

41 37 Iirc Seattle banned the term brown bag lunch a few years ago, cuz well brown, racist!! Theyve been on the cray cray train long before BLm rioting started.
Posted by: Poster X at July 11, 2020 11:32 AM (3RtN3)

eh portland declared peanut butter and jelly sandwiches racist

Posted by: harley at July 11, 2020 11:36 AM (2EU+/)

42 29
Turkey made the Haiga Sophia a mosque again.

Posted by: TexasDan at July 11, 2020 11:30 AM (2HIdp)

Don't you understand? Muslims are a minority (the 1.7 billion of them)! Christianity is the majority (the 2 billions+). So it's acceptable for churches to be converted to mosques, which will make them mosques in perpetuity. Never mind that in Muslim countries Christians are the minority and are second-class citizens.

Posted by: jim at July 11, 2020 11:36 AM (ynpvh)

43 last time Seattle got good publicity was "Frasier".

Posted by: Quint at July 11, 2020 11:37 AM (hHxp2)

44 Turkey made the Haiga Sophia a mosque again.
Posted by: TexasDan at July 11, 2020 11:30 AM (2HIdp)
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Gah!

Posted by: Konstantinos XI Palaeologos at July 11, 2020 11:38 AM (4zyav)

45 Mitt Romney
45s

I'm disappointed that the president has seen fit to commute the sentence of convicted liar Roger Stone.
We are a nation of laws, not men and as a Public Servant, my first job is to uphold the Constitution. That's hy I will be working with colleagues from both Chambers of Congress and from both sides of the aisles to call for an investigation into the president's handling of this matter.

Posted by: JoeF. at July 11, 2020 11:38 AM (gtdYu)

46 Life and Death in Shanghai, as textbooks.
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker

Such a great and illuminating book.

Posted by: lizabth at July 11, 2020 11:39 AM (L3Rsz)

47 As with all of this nonsense, including the extent to which there are places in this country that are completely spooked by this silly little virus, the problem is NOT that the radical insane commie fools are doing all this.

No, the problem is, there's nobody in charge trying to stop them. It's a deeper problem than having the wrong politicians in place too. I think the problem is a political system that has for decades, rewarded people with a certain set of skills that have NOTHING to do with running cities and states and... the nation.

So when a crisis comes along? They have no clue what to do. They're not trained for that.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 11, 2020 11:39 AM (hku12)

48 It'll be a cold day in hell before I ever set foot in Seattle again.

Posted by: Diogenes at July 11, 2020 11:40 AM (axyOa)

49 Mobile circa 1960 at the Woolworths downtown water fountains labeled whites only. Thanks Barack for the updated version. Oh by the way we aren't south African white farmers. We are many and well armed. Not gonna turn out the same.

Kresge's had them too, IIRC. One of my arms is longer than the other from getting my little white ass yanked away from them back then.

I wonder what would happen if somebody were to say, "I don't need to take those classes since I'm not racist." And actually refused for that reason.

That would be a lot of fun to watch.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Who can fight the beast? Revelation 13:4 at July 11, 2020 11:40 AM (HaL55)

50 Turkey made the Haiga Sophia a mosque again.

Posted by: TexasDan at July 11, 2020 11:30 AM (2HIdp)

Don't you understand? Muslims are a minority (the 1.7 billion of them)! Christianity is the majority (the 2 billions+). So it's acceptable for churches to be converted to mosques, which will make them mosques in perpetuity. Never mind that in Muslim countries Christians are the minority and are second-class citizens.
Posted by: jim at July 11, 2020 11:36 AM (ynpvh)

The muz, like the commies, never go off offense. The choice wasn't even a mosk versus a Cathedral; oh no, Christianity had already bent over enough to make it a museum versus mosk choice and the rock worshippers said fuck that.

Posted by: Captain Hate at July 11, 2020 11:40 AM (y7DUB)

51 Turkey made the Haiga Sophia a mosque again.

Posted by: TexasDan at July 11, 2020 11:30 AM (2HIdp)

Erdogan just couldn't help himself. He's at a low point in popularity and chose to play to the rubes.
Atta, Turk.

Posted by: JoeF. at July 11, 2020 11:40 AM (gtdYu)

52 lizbeth brought that up couple weeks ago, would be a great read.

Posted by: Skip at July 11, 2020 11:40 AM (6f16T)

53 46
Life and Death in Shanghai, as textbooks.

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker

Such a great and illuminating book.

Posted by: lizabth at July 11, 2020 11:39 AM (L3Rsz)

Excellent book.

Posted by: jim at July 11, 2020 11:40 AM (ynpvh)

54 29 Archie Bunker singing. "Mister we could use a man like Curt LeMay again".

Posted by: bill in arkansas at July 11, 2020 11:41 AM (C1Lsn)

55 It's only fair we have Eastern Time, Central Time, Mountain Time, and Coloured People Time.

Posted by: TalcumX at July 11, 2020 11:42 AM (iM0Se)

56 Seattle was always kind of a mean place, at least to those from the other side of the sound.

Posted by: Redenzo at July 11, 2020 11:42 AM (E7vND)

57 Archie Bunker singing. "Mister we could use a man like Curt LeMay again".
Posted by: bill in arkansas at July 11, 2020 11:41 AM (C1Lsn

Mister, Turkey could use a man like Kemal Ataturk again....

Posted by: JoeF. at July 11, 2020 11:43 AM (gtdYu)

58 I'd prefer "These boots are made for walkin'".

Posted by: andycanuck at July 11, 2020 11:43 AM (TZi47)

59 By "abandoning safety", I think it refers to *psychological / emotional* safety, not physical safetly.

The objective is to tear down the person's inner defenses, call it ego, call if self-respect or personal integrity. that's their target for destruction. It leaves the person wide open.

Posted by: Hands at July 11, 2020 11:44 AM (786Ro)

60 Stone Free to what I please
Stone Free to ride the Breeze

Posted by: Roger Stone at July 11, 2020 11:44 AM (gtdYu)

61 ""Agreed but all the fossils running the labels loved that shit overlaying everything including Charlie Parker."

Parker wanted to do those string sessions.

Posted by: mr tmz at July 11, 2020 11:44 AM (m/Gc2)

62 I know it's the wrong attitude; but I keep hearing David Allen Coe songs when I read about commie Seattle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmJbuvl1_O4

Posted by: setnaffa at July 11, 2020 11:44 AM (c4NCi)

63 Yep BackwardsBoy you and I walked the same streets.

Posted by: azalea city at July 11, 2020 11:44 AM (WX+x0)

64 Erdogan should have been dealt with years ago. Trump was wrong to be as deferential as he was at the time. No one is perfect and the president was wrong to give this guy even an inch. I know I will likely get crap but who cares. I wish the coup of a a few years ago was successful. I wish when the Turkish thugs bashed Americans in DC, they paid a real price. Sure it is complicated and the politics are dangerous. But why pretend to have a friend and ally who is not?

Posted by: Quint at July 11, 2020 11:45 AM (hHxp2)

65 Sorry, that's really Garry Lee and Showdown...

Posted by: setnaffa at July 11, 2020 11:46 AM (c4NCi)

66 By "abandoning safety", I think it refers to *psychological / emotional* safety, not physical safetly.

The objective is to tear down the person's inner defenses, call it ego, call if self-respect or personal integrity. that's their target for destruction. It leaves the person wide open.

They want to turn Seattle into a giant Room 101, looks like. I hope Nurse Ratched keeps herself safe up there.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Who can fight the beast? Revelation 13:4 at July 11, 2020 11:46 AM (HaL55)

67 "How do you know when you've successfully "interrupted your whiteness"?
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Most people pretend not to notice, but usually someone will come up and tell me awkwardly.
Posted by: hogmartin at July 11, 2020 11:27 AM (t+qrx)

Is it the smell o' the farts? Is that how one knows?

Posted by: BurtTC at July 11, 2020 11:46 AM (hku12)

68 ...but I keep hearing David Allen Coe songs...

********

I liked The Murders In The Rue Morgue but I never cared much for The Raven.

Posted by: Muldoon at July 11, 2020 11:47 AM (Fc5rx)

69 Meh. Let 'em have at it. More than 10 miles away from me. And I'm all stocked up on ammo and canned goods. So it'll never be my problem.

**fast-forward 10 years**

How the hell did everything fall apart so fast?

Posted by: Hands at July 11, 2020 11:48 AM (786Ro)

70 Mitt Romney should just STFU and let the effective people do their jobs.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 11, 2020 11:48 AM (wPVhA)

71 Human dignity wasn't just reduced by 10% in North Korea. But human dignity was destroyed, and one of the keys to doing that is the encouragement of people to self-denounce themselves publicly.

This program to be implemented by the government of Pyongyang-on-the-Puget-Sound sounds eerily similar.

And never forget that people there very cheerfully voted for this.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 11, 2020 11:49 AM (ejsiI)

72 Never Muldoon??

Posted by: andycanuck at July 11, 2020 11:49 AM (TZi47)

73 And, as always, the citizens of Seattle will pack their trash, move down the road, and continue to vote for the same idiocy.. I know it gets old, but it's the truth. Once Idaho is worn out, on to Nebraska.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at July 11, 2020 11:49 AM (C1Lsn)

74 Mid-day open thread needs. Its 8:45 am in AZ. Must not be intended for me. So alone. All alone. Just me.

Posted by: Oliver H at July 11, 2020 11:49 AM (F6gIA)

75 OK only cutting the police department budget by 50% is beyond stupid but when has the party we keep voting for ever proposed any kind of 50% government spending cut?

Demoncrats are the real fiscal conservatives.

Posted by: These fish sticks are hard as tits at July 11, 2020 11:49 AM (AgR7f)

76 I better make sure that I vote next November. That'll teach those commies a lesson.

**goes back to personal hobbies until the next election day . . . while the commies attack, erode, or take over the intstitutions every single day of the year**

Posted by: Hands at July 11, 2020 11:50 AM (786Ro)

77

From segregation to isolation to a return to segregation is actually how it is gone.

Only this time blacks are segregating themselves, aggressively excluding other ethnicities and groups, putting themselves back on the plantation.

The irony, it burns...

Posted by: Xess at July 11, 2020 11:50 AM (NrXGs)

78 And these are the good days. Still food on the shelves, gasoline, good water, nat gas. Storm's coming.

Posted by: azalea city at July 11, 2020 11:50 AM (WX+x0)

79 It'll be a cold day in hell before I ever set foot in Seattle again.
Posted by: Diogenes at July 11, 2020 11:40 AM (axyOa)

Other than changing planes at SeaTac, my last visit was 1996.

Posted by: Beartooth at July 11, 2020 11:50 AM (eBRhe)

80

*schlack-schlack*

Posted by: 12 gauge at July 11, 2020 11:50 AM (t5m5e)

81 By "abandoning safety", I think it refers to *psychological / emotional* safety, not physical safetly.

But Marvin Boggs said to make the run to emotional safety!

Posted by: Diogenes at July 11, 2020 11:51 AM (axyOa)

82 I liked The Murders In The Rue Morgue but I never cared much for The Raven.
Posted by: Muldoon at July 11, 2020 11:47 AM (Fc5rx)

Careful. If you're not familiar with D.E. Coe's music... well, let's just say it's real popular with the real racists.

And as always, be careful about replying to nics around here you don't recognize.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 11, 2020 11:51 AM (hku12)

83 >>I'm disappointed that the president has seen fit to commute the sentence of convicted liar Roger Stone.
We are a nation of laws, not men and as a Public Servant, my first job is to uphold the Constitution. That's hy I will be working with colleagues from both Chambers of Congress and from both sides of the aisles to call for an investigation into the president's handling of this matter.

Die in a Fire, Romney.

Posted by: garrett at July 11, 2020 11:51 AM (v0GvA)

84 He's a dick, but at least Putin spoke up for the Christians regarding Hagia Sophia reverting to Mosque.

Posted by: JoeF. at July 11, 2020 11:51 AM (gtdYu)

85 71
Human dignity wasn't just reduced by 10% in North Korea. But human
dignity was destroyed, and one of the keys to doing that is the
encouragement of people to self-denounce themselves publicly.

This program to be implemented by the government of Pyongyang-on-the-Puget-Sound sounds eerily similar.

And never forget that people there very cheerfully voted for this.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 11, 2020 11:49 AM (ejsiI)

Its a feature, not a bug, of autocratic (Communist) rulers. Mao did the same thing; self criticism, family members spying on other family members, no alone time when someone can share thought crimes with another.

Posted by: jim at July 11, 2020 11:51 AM (ynpvh)

86 Yep BackwardsBoy you and I walked the same streets.

"Got dragged" would be more accurate. Went to UMS back when it was an all-male military academy. Loved that school and was so sad when I had to leave when Mumsey Dearest got a job at Redstone.

Heh. We had an old surplus WWII cannon out front next to the flagpole that we climbed all over before and after the school day. We gave it a motto: "Never been to war, never fired a shot. Our old cannon sure means a lot."

Good times.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Who can fight the beast? Revelation 13:4 at July 11, 2020 11:52 AM (HaL55)

87 Mitt Romney should just STFU and let the effective people do their jobs.

Turtle should remove him from all committees... Along with Murkowski, and Collins

Posted by: It's me donna at July 11, 2020 11:52 AM (Zmnko)

88 Seattle is a lab experiment wherein one observes the results on a culture, when an ever decreasing percentage of "normal" people figure into the population.

"Normal" people are vital to stability in any society. Remove them, or decrease them to below some specific gravity, and chaos becomes inevitable.

The only possible antidote to this, is a sudden and forceful influx of sociological white blood cells, (regardless of melanin content), known in some circles as "Morons".

This is known.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at July 11, 2020 11:52 AM (QzJWU)

89 74
Mid-day open thread needs. Its 8:45 am in AZ. Must not be intended for me. So alone. All alone. Just me.

Posted by: Oliver H at July 11, 2020 11:49 AM (F6gIA)
Hey, I'm in the People's Repubic of Kalifornia. Same time zone as you (for now)

Posted by: jim at July 11, 2020 11:52 AM (ynpvh)

90 but I keep hearing David Allen Coe songs...

********

I liked The Murders In The Rue Morgue but I never cared much for The Raven.

Posted by: Muldoon at July 11, 2020 11:47 AM (Fc5rx)

The Cask of Amontillado was better than The Ride.

Posted by: Quint at July 11, 2020 11:52 AM (hHxp2)

91 Never Muldoon??
Posted by: andycanuck

Rhyming rhyming
Ever rhyming
Limericks on my bedroom door.

Posted by: Diogenes at July 11, 2020 11:53 AM (axyOa)

92 >> Mitt Romney should just STFU and let the effective people do their jobs.

I'd be fine with it IF he made a stink about ANY other Pardons/Commutations. Ever.

But he is just Butt Sore that he got punked by Trump when he was begging for a position.

Posted by: garrett at July 11, 2020 11:53 AM (v0GvA)

93 Posted by: Oliver H at July 11, 2020 11:49 AM (F6gIA)
Hey, I'm in the People's Repubic of Kalifornia. Same time zone as you (for now)
Posted by: jim at July 11, 2020 11:52 AM (ynpvh)

In in Commiefornia too

Posted by: It's me donna at July 11, 2020 11:53 AM (Zmnko)

94 69 Meh. Let 'em have at it. More than 10 miles away from me. And I'm all stocked up on ammo and canned goods. So it'll never be my problem.

**fast-forward 10 years**

How the hell did everything fall apart so fast?
Posted by: Hands at July 11, 2020 11:48 AM (786Ro)

It is shocking what bad governance can do. For one example, just look at Detroit. In 1950 it was one of the wealthiest cities in the world. Now look at it. (And it wasn't just the ructions caused in the automotive world. Detroit could have diversified its economy. The Big Three could have fought DC's need to tell the auto industry how to run. And so on. But ultimately the City of Detroit went out of its way to destroy itself.)

Seattle should take heed, but won't. Santayana's Law doesn't always work. People CAN study history and repeat it anyway just due to sheer hubris.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 11, 2020 11:54 AM (ejsiI)

95 By "abandoning safety", I think it refers to *psychological / emotional* safety, not physical safetly.

The objective is to tear down the person's inner defenses, call it
ego, call if self-respect or personal integrity. that's their target for
destruction. It leaves the person wide open.

Posted by: Hands at July 11, 2020 11:44 AM (786Ro)

It also means physical safety... if this were only about psychological "safety", they would have used psychological terms. This is them trying to get white people to think they do not deserve and should abandon the ideas of law and public order. Without that abandonment, you will not get most of the population to agree that it is totally ok to abolish the police and let criminals (who are very disproportionately black) do whatever the hell they want to us.

You already see the physical manifestation of that in the Seattle neighborhood that pledged not to call the police. They can no longer let their children play in the park because it is now a tent city for homeless people. Drug dealers have moved in and there have been three rapes already in the last couple of weeks.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at July 11, 2020 11:54 AM (nAiE/)

96 On to Nebraska?

Thanks to Ernie Chambers and his ilk, Central Omaha is as bad as ghetto as say parts of Atlanta or St Louis.

Seriously downtown Omaha is a no-go zone in every sense of the word.

if there was an interstates that could get you to the College world series and the Omaha zoo Omaha would be deader than Don LeMons sphincter tone...

Posted by: Xess at July 11, 2020 11:54 AM (NrXGs)

97 93
Posted by: Oliver H at July 11, 2020 11:49 AM (F6gIA)

Hey, I'm in the People's Repubic of Kalifornia. Same time zone as you (for now)

Posted by: jim at July 11, 2020 11:52 AM (ynpvh)

In in Commiefornia too

Posted by: It's me donna at July 11, 2020 11:53 AM (Zmnko)

Northerner or Southerner?

Posted by: jim at July 11, 2020 11:54 AM (ynpvh)

98 88 Seattle is a lab experiment wherein one observes the results on a culture, when an ever decreasing percentage of "normal" people figure into the population.

"Normal" people are vital to stability in any society. Remove them, or decrease them to below some specific gravity, and chaos becomes inevitable.

The only possible antidote to this, is a sudden and forceful influx of sociological white blood cells, (regardless of melanin content), known in some circles as "Morons".

This is known.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at July 11, 2020 11:52 AM (QzJWU)

Known, but routinely ignored.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 11, 2020 11:55 AM (ejsiI)

99 -I've been fascinated by the level of atrocities of North Korea against its own people and found it very instructive to learn how human dignity can be decimated through brainwashing.
It's amazing that Americans are doing this to themselves.

Historians will be perplexed.-

Historians will probably just say "Oh, Marxism" and not have to wonder.

Mind you, that is after another Dark Ages (Raaacist)that is inevitable should these bastards win.

Hopefully Seattle goes all in with this. There is no objectivity, so anyone who wants to can build bridges and skyscrapers and it doesn't matter-in fact is encouraged- for you to express yourself by using your own math and building standards.

Posted by: Bete at July 11, 2020 11:55 AM (Ojki1)

100 Human dignity wasn't just reduced by 10% in North Korea. But human dignity was destroyed, and one of the keys to doing that is the encouragement of people to self-denounce themselves publicly.

This program to be implemented by the government of Pyongyang-on-the-Puget-Sound sounds eerily similar.

And never forget that people there very cheerfully voted for this.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 11, 2020 11:49 AM (ejsiI)

An important difference of course, is that Nork citizens all look alike. So, it really is necessary for one to stand out some other way.

It's a poisonous system, of course, but this is more akin to nazi Germany stuff going on here. The Norks have concentration camps, yes, but they're country clubs compared to what would be implemented here, if these people are allowed to take over.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 11, 2020 11:55 AM (hku12)

101 Rhyming rhyming
Ever rhyming
Limericks on my bedroom door.
Posted by: Diogenes
LOL.

Posted by: andycanuck at July 11, 2020 11:55 AM (TZi47)

102 Northerner or Southerner?
Posted by: jim at July 11, 2020 11:54 AM (ynpvh)

Northerner

Posted by: It's me donna at July 11, 2020 11:56 AM (Zmnko)

103 How long can these clowns claim to be against "racism" when damn near everything they say/do is against white people, individuals, culture, history, you name it they hate it, even the color itself.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at July 11, 2020 11:56 AM (1g7ch)

104 OT but lulz...

Joe Biden "I Sniffed a Girl" video.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wKBUuPDIzgQ

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at July 11, 2020 11:56 AM (38/p9)

105 Mind you, that is after another Dark Ages (Raaacist)that is inevitable should these bastards win.

Posted by: Bete at July 11, 2020 11:55 AM (Ojki1)

Light is now racist, as it gets rid of darkness.

Posted by: jim at July 11, 2020 11:56 AM (ynpvh)

106 UMS boys school. Glad you liked it . I loath every inch of that place being from the wrong side of the tracks. No fond memories.

Posted by: azalea city at July 11, 2020 11:57 AM (WX+x0)

107 Mid-day open thread needs. Its 8:45 am in AZ. Must not be intended for me. So alone. All alone. Just me.

Posted by: Oliver H at July 11, 2020 11:49 AM (F6gIA)
Hey, I'm in the People's Repubic of Kalifornia. Same time zone as you (for now) Posted by: jim

Hello Jim. Apparently the "easternness" of blogging morons prevents them from understanding us westerners as equals. Time for some programming?

Posted by: Oliver H at July 11, 2020 11:57 AM (F6gIA)

108 The only possible antidote to this, is a sudden and forceful influx of sociological white blood cells, (regardless of melanin content), known in some circles as "Morons".

This is known.

Jim

***

Blow the bridges and overpassed.
Mine the port.
Barricade the side roads.
Complete isolation.

In a month drop a hundred loaves of bread from a helicopter in downtown. Then laugh at the scurrying ants.

Posted by: Diogenes at July 11, 2020 11:57 AM (axyOa)

109 I liked The Murders In The Rue Morgue but I never cared much for The Raven.

Posted by: Muldoon at July 11, 2020 11:47 AM (Fc5rx)

Careful. If you're not familiar with D.E. Coe's music... well, let's just say it's real popular with the real racists.

And as always, be careful about replying to nics around here you don't recognize.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 11, 2020 11:51 AM (hku12)

he was mainstream as well I know in my day his song "you never called me by my name" was so huge at Texas bars, they used it as the last song of the night. Sure he has done some weird stuff, and that is on him. But just mentioning DAC is not a bad thing. If he is a racist and some of his songs say he is, that is his problem. He also wrote Take This job and Shove it.

Posted by: Quint at July 11, 2020 11:58 AM (hHxp2)

110 I know I shouldn't, but beginning to hate everyone in Utah for giving us Mittens.

Posted by: Skip at July 11, 2020 11:58 AM (6f16T)

111 102
Northerner or Southerner?

Posted by: jim at July 11, 2020 11:54 AM (ynpvh)

Northerner

Posted by: It's me donna at July 11, 2020 11:56 AM (Zmnko)
I'm down near the border. Our COVID infections, for some unknown reason...are at least 2x higher in the border zip codes than anywhere else in San Diego county.

Posted by: jim at July 11, 2020 11:58 AM (ynpvh)

112 You guys *do* realize it's JoeF socking Mitt, dontcha?

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at July 11, 2020 11:58 AM (ZSK0i)

113 110 I know I shouldn't, but beginning to hate everyone in Utah for giving us Mittens.
Posted by: Skip at July 11, 2020 11:58 AM (6f16T)

He is a piece of work

Posted by: It's me donna at July 11, 2020 11:58 AM (Zmnko)

114 The White Zone is for loading and unloading only. There's no Parking in the White Zone.

Posted by: DBCooper at July 11, 2020 11:58 AM (y1Mvi)

115 People CAN study history and repeat it anyway just due to sheer hubris.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 11, 2020 11:54 AM (ejsiI)

Genocidal maniacs ALWAYS believe they're the good guys.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 11, 2020 11:58 AM (hku12)

116 You guys *do* realize it's JoeF socking Mitt, dontcha?

Yes, but he actually did attack Trump for commuting Stones sentence

Posted by: It's me donna at July 11, 2020 11:59 AM (Zmnko)

117 96 I was sorry to hear the Old Market got busted up pretty bad. Working on a restoration job, we found a lot of good restaurants downtown and in the old market. Woodman Tower fire.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at July 11, 2020 11:59 AM (C1Lsn)

118 Rhyming rhyming
Ever rhyming
Limericks on my bedroom door.
Posted by: Diogenes

*******

Fine. Perhaps I'll take up rapping

Posted by: Muldoon at July 11, 2020 11:59 AM (Fc5rx)

119 Its a feature, not a bug, of autocratic (Communist) rulers. Mao did the same thing; self criticism, family members spying on other family members, no alone time when someone can share thought crimes with another.
Posted by: jim at July 11, 2020 11:51 AM (ynpvh)

"What better way to demoralize
When your own children are your spies"

- Anthrax, "Belly of the Beast"

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 11, 2020 11:59 AM (ejsiI)

120 Individualism is a requirement in most Christian based religions for Salvation. Being a brick (man made) vs a stone (G D made) is a theme throughout the bible. Bricks commonly represent men trying to create a Kingdom here on Earth while stones represent a unique part of a building (Kingdom of G D) that treat each human as a valuable member.

Posted by: rhennigantx at July 11, 2020 11:59 AM (JFO2v)

121 Posted by: BurtTC at July 11, 2020 11:51 AM (hku12)

he was mainstream as well I know in my day his song "you never called me by my name" was so huge at Texas bars, they used it as the last song of the night. Sure he has done some weird stuff, and that is on him. But just mentioning DAC is not a bad thing. If he is a racist and some of his songs say he is, that is his problem. He also wrote Take This job and Shove it.
Posted by: Quint at July 11, 2020 11:58 AM (hHxp2)

Yeah, but the commenter here isn't talking about his mainstream songs coming to mind, in relation to the racial stuff in the news right now.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 11, 2020 12:00 PM (hku12)

122 Raven was a respiring rapper.

Posted by: andycanuck at July 11, 2020 12:00 PM (TZi47)

123 I'm down near the border. Our COVID infections, for some unknown reason...are at least 2x higher in the border zip codes than anywhere else in San Diego county.
Posted by: jim at July 11, 2020 11:58 AM (ynpvh)

4x to 5x on Texas border!

Posted by: rhennigantx at July 11, 2020 12:01 PM (JFO2v)

124 Hot damn!
The Muldoon Rap!

Oh wait?
I'm white. Does that mean I can't listen to rap?

Damn. I'm so confused.

Posted by: Diogenes at July 11, 2020 12:01 PM (axyOa)

125 One idea I've seen: given that all of these commie shitholes receive massive amounts of federal dollars for LE assistance, those funds should immediately be rescinded.

I mean, they obviously don't need or want the money, so why give it to them?

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at July 11, 2020 12:01 PM (8u1cU)

126 Christ is called the corner stone.

Posted by: azalea city at July 11, 2020 12:01 PM (WX+x0)

127 107 Hello Jim. Apparently the "easternness" of blogging morons prevents
them from understanding us westerners as equals. Time for some
programming?

Posted by: Oliver H at July 11, 2020 11:57 AM (F6gIA)
Just call me jim. Don't want folks to confuse me from Jim from Texas.

Posted by: jim at July 11, 2020 12:02 PM (ynpvh)

128 It's a poisonous system, of course, but this is more akin to nazi Germany stuff going on here. The Norks have concentration camps, yes, but they're country clubs compared to what would be implemented here, if these people are allowed to take over.

I detect Little Billy Ayers' foul stench. He wanted death camps so he could kill 125 million of us so he could take over. I'm reasonably certain he and his commie cohorts are behind a lot of this. After he walked free, his buds in academia welcomed him with open arms and helped him in the march of anti-Americanism through our skoolz. We're now reaping his rotten fruit.

How he is able to walk around unmolested remains a mystery to me.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Who can fight the beast? Revelation 13:4 at July 11, 2020 12:02 PM (HaL55)

129

The water fountains will say "Blacks Only." There will be no other water fountains.

Where you're going, you won't be needing water.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at July 11, 2020 12:02 PM (t5m5e)

130 4x to 5x on Texas border!

I'm in NorCal in a big wine producing area and Our rate has been 75% hispanic ... Surprise

Posted by: It's me donna at July 11, 2020 12:02 PM (Zmnko)

131 Turkey made the Haiga Sophia a mosque again.
Posted by: TexasDan at July 11, 2020 11:30 AM (2HIdp)

(scratches "Hagia Sophia" off the "don't blow up" list)

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 11, 2020 12:02 PM (XgCWY)

132 115 People CAN study history and repeat it anyway just due to sheer hubris.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 11, 2020 11:54 AM (ejsiI)

Genocidal maniacs ALWAYS believe they're the good guys.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 11, 2020 11:58 AM (hku12)

AND that history simply doesn't apply to them because history never accounted for a genius like them, and because of that, this time, it's different!

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 11, 2020 12:03 PM (ejsiI)

133 We are watching them attempt to tear down Western Civilization, under the guise of Racism.

I've said all along, its not RACE, its CULTURE.

So, just what Non White Culture are we now supposed to embrace? Wakanda? Mongols? Communist China? Zulu?

Oh, look, no, they are Marxists. They want to replace our successful Western Culture, with one created by another White Guy.

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 11, 2020 12:03 PM (NgKpN)

134 Rain and 'waterfalls' appearing in China's tallest building...

https://twitter.com/ChinaInFocusNTD/status/
1281762869219074048

3 Gorges Dam not doing well, still.

Posted by: andycanuck at July 11, 2020 12:03 PM (TZi47)

135 119
Its a feature, not a bug, of autocratic (Communist) rulers. Mao did the
same thing; self criticism, family members spying on other family
members, no alone time when someone can share thought crimes with
another.

Posted by: jim at July 11, 2020 11:51 AM (ynpvh)

"What better way to demoralize

When your own children are your spies"

- Anthrax, "Belly of the Beast"

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 11, 2020 11:59 AM (ejsiI)

Forgot to add forced indoctrination meetings. Sound familiar?

Posted by: jim at July 11, 2020 12:03 PM (ynpvh)

136 I know I shouldn't, but beginning to hate everyone in Utah for giving us Mittens.
Posted by: Skip at July 11, 2020 11:58 AM (6f16T)

Salt Lake City, you mean.

And what were people supposed to do? Voters as a whole, are stupid and superficial. So you had a former candidate for President, who ALMOST won the office, running in your little ol' state.

What were they supposed to do?

Especially since Mitt didn't show his true colors until he got in.

If we still have elections by then, let's see what happens when he's up for re-election. I suspect they'll Jeff Flake his sorry carcass.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 11, 2020 12:04 PM (hku12)

137 114 The White Zone is for loading and unloading only. There's no Parking in the White Zone.
Posted by: DBCooper at July 11, 2020 11:58 AM (y1Mvi)

---

Midnight Star - No Parking On The Dance Floor (Official Music Video)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gomCkCbKHA4

Posted by: SMH at July 11, 2020 12:04 PM (RU4sa)

138
Yeah, but the commenter here isn't talking about
his mainstream songs coming to mind, in relation to the racial stuff in
the news right now.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 11, 2020 12:00 PM (hku12)

I appreciate it. I still haven't seen the original post. I looked upthread but can't seem to find it. I know Muldoon is the best and is pretty scary with how good he can be with the quotes.

Again i hear ya TC. If someone is propagating racism, they can bugger off, they are not needed. Get a life asshole. Just so i am clear on the subject.

Posted by: Quint at July 11, 2020 12:04 PM (hHxp2)

139 Also think about this training and its isolating effect on "wrong thinkers" in relationship to Cancel Culture.

I saw that movie;
Two things: _it doesn't turn out they way they intend it to, and _it doesn't end well.

Posted by: Braenyard at July 11, 2020 12:05 PM (jy41H)

140 130
4x to 5x on Texas border!

I'm in NorCal in a big wine producing area and Our rate has been 75% hispanic ... Surprise

Posted by: It's me donna at July 11, 2020 12:02 PM (Zmnko)

Gee, almost as if controlling immigration can control infectious diseases from getting in. What a Novel Idea. Oh wait, I'm being racist now. Damn!

Posted by: jim at July 11, 2020 12:05 PM (ynpvh)

141 "What better way to demoralize

When your own children are your spies"

---

This is more true than most of you realize.

Posted by: SMH at July 11, 2020 12:05 PM (RU4sa)

142 26 Leftists are moving back to the segregation era, equal but seperate facilities.
Posted by: Skip at July 11, 2020 11:28 AM (6f16T)

Pretty sure the leftist are arguing whitey needs to suffer for its crimes, so not so equal, because all those it has oppressed need better facilities to lift them higher or they will never get there on there own.

I guess it isn't racist to see a group of people unable to succeed on their own without your help if you are doing it out of good intentions or something.

Posted by: Bete at July 11, 2020 12:05 PM (Ojki1)

143 Gee, almost as if controlling immigration can control infectious diseases from getting in. What a Novel Idea. Oh wait, I'm being racist now. Damn!
Posted by: jim at July 11, 2020 12:05 PM (ynpvh)

yes... The local rag had the info from the health Dept. with those numbers and then decided it was "racist" to publish that info

Posted by: It's me donna at July 11, 2020 12:06 PM (Zmnko)

144 How he is able to walk around unmolested remains a mystery to me.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Who can fight the beast? Revelation 13:4 at July 11, 2020 12:02 PM (HaL55)

Mostly because, while the marxists were at war, the rest of us thought we were having a debate.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 11, 2020 12:07 PM (hku12)

145 Other than changing planes at SeaTac, my last visit was 1996.
Posted by: Beartooth

The next time I'm forced to use seatac, I'm gonna make some stickers with my post-it notes saying Blacks Only and Whites Only and slap them on the drinking fountains. You know, cause I'm down with the struggle.

Posted by: Diogenes at July 11, 2020 12:07 PM (axyOa)

146 Posted by: BurtTC at July 11, 2020 11:51 AM (hku12)

he was mainstream as well I know in my day his song "you never
called me by my name" was so huge at Texas bars, they used it as the
last song of the night. Sure he has done some weird stuff, and that is
on him. But just mentioning DAC is not a bad thing. If he is a racist
and some of his songs say he is, that is his problem. He also wrote Take
This job and Shove it.

Posted by: Quint at July 11, 2020 11:58 AM (hHxp2)

Yeah, but the commenter here isn't talking about his mainstream
songs coming to mind, in relation to the racial stuff in the news right
now.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 11, 2020 12:00 PM (hku12)

When did racism become the worst thing ever... worse than beating your wife and kids, worse than raping someone, worse than murder? When did we give in to the idea that thought crime was crime?

Why do we need to be careful of likeing DEC's music even if he was an honest to God Grand Wizard of the actual KKK?

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at July 11, 2020 12:07 PM (nAiE/)

147 Posted by: BurtTC at July 11, 2020 12:00 PM (hku12)

I appreciate it. I still haven't seen the original post. I looked upthread but can't seem to find it. I know Muldoon is the best and is pretty scary with how good he can be with the quotes.

Again i hear ya TC. If someone is propagating racism, they can bugger off, they are not needed. Get a life asshole. Just so i am clear on the subject.
Posted by: Quint at July 11, 2020 12:04 PM (hHxp2)

Hmmm, if it's not there anymore, it's because one of the Cobs is on the job.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 11, 2020 12:08 PM (hku12)

148 I'm not 'getting' how making a riff off of David Allen Coe sounding like Edgar Allen Poe is indicating validation of some obscure racist dog whistle comment.

I guess it's just too 'meta' for my simple brain.

Posted by: Muldoon at July 11, 2020 12:08 PM (Fc5rx)

149 145
Other than changing planes at SeaTac, my last visit was 1996.

Posted by: Beartooth

The next time I'm forced to use seatac, I'm gonna make some stickers
with my post-it notes saying Blacks Only and Whites Only and slap them
on the drinking fountains. You know, cause I'm down with the struggle.

Posted by: Diogenes at July 11, 2020 12:07 PM (axyOa)

Careful, they have cameras there and may arrest you for a hate crime.

Posted by: jim at July 11, 2020 12:08 PM (ynpvh)

150 I think the people who push this Racial shit are Marxists but many of the people who buy into it seem to do so out of this weird, misplaced, twisted Christian ethic where they feel they must atone through self-flagellation for being white and middle class.

Like those Medieval cultists, you can't reason with them.

Posted by: JoeF. at July 11, 2020 12:09 PM (gtdYu)

151 Blow the bridges and overpassed.
Mine the port.
Barricade the side roads.
Complete isolation.

In a month drop a hundred loaves of bread from a helicopter in downtown. Then laugh at the scurrying ants.
Posted by: Diogenes at July 11, 2020 11:57 AM (axyOa)

Make sure Bezos is in the city, add anti-aircraft fire to keep the rich who groomed this mess from private helicoptering out and not only do I wish to subscribe to your newsletter, I'd like to request a few extra copies to distribute.

Posted by: Bete at July 11, 2020 12:09 PM (Ojki1)

152 Forgot to add forced indoctrination meetings. Sound familiar?
Posted by: jim at July 11, 2020 12:03 PM (ynpvh)

Never be the first to stop clapping.

Posted by: Diogenes at July 11, 2020 12:09 PM (axyOa)

153 It'll be a cold day in hell before I ever set foot in Seattle again.
Posted by: Diogenes at July 11, 2020 11:40 AM (axyOa)

Need to build a 30-foot high electrified fence around it.

And Interstate highways are a Federal power, right? High time to build an I-5/I-90 bypass clean around Seattle. Maybe they could eminent-domain Bill Gates' house for right of way.

The quality of the pavement through Seattle sucks big-time, anyway. It's like driving on a staircase.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 11, 2020 12:09 PM (XgCWY)

154 140 130
4x to 5x on Texas border!

I'm in NorCal in a big wine producing area and Our rate has been 75% hispanic ... Surprise

Posted by: It's me donna at July 11, 2020 12:02 PM (Zmnko)

Gee, almost as if controlling immigration can control infectious diseases from getting in. What a Novel Idea. Oh wait, I'm being racist now. Damn!
Posted by: jim at July 11, 2020 12:05 PM (ynpvh)

Confirmed COVID cases in white 25%. Therefore 75% in minority cases!

Posted by: rhennigantx at July 11, 2020 12:10 PM (JFO2v)

155 Hopefully Seattle goes all in with this. There is no objectivity, so anyone who wants to can build bridges and skyscrapers and it doesn't matter-in fact is encouraged- for you to express yourself by using your own math and building standards.

Posted by: Bete at July 11, 2020 11:55 AM (Ojki1)

The problem will be the backlash.

You know what is happening now? They are creating REAL racists. They are indoctrinating White people that they are racists. They are convincing them they ARE Racist, and there nothing they can do about it.

So, how soon until those people decide, OK, I'm a racist, may as well act like one.

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 11, 2020 12:10 PM (NgKpN)

156 152
Forgot to add forced indoctrination meetings. Sound familiar?

Posted by: jim at July 11, 2020 12:03 PM (ynpvh)

Never be the first to stop clapping.

Posted by: Diogenes at July 11, 2020 12:09 PM (axyOa)

But of course. Anyone who does is disloyal to the Party and must be purged.

Posted by: jim at July 11, 2020 12:11 PM (ynpvh)

157 I'm in NorCal in a big wine producing area and Our rate has been 75% hispanic ... Surprise
Posted by: It's me donna at July 11, 2020 12:02 PM (Zmnko)
-----
Napa?

Posted by: Captain Obvious, of the sloop John B. at July 11, 2020 12:11 PM (4zyav)

158 Why do we need to be careful...
Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at July 11, 2020 12:07 PM (nAiE/)

Because Ace asked you to, so he can actually earn money on his business here.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 11, 2020 12:11 PM (hku12)

159 110 I know I shouldn't, but beginning to hate everyone in Utah for giving us Mittens.
Posted by: Skip at July 11, 2020 11:58 AM (6f16T)

Between him and Harry Reid I'm about on board with another round of drive the Mormon's further West.

(apologies to any Mormon's on this board).

Posted by: Bete at July 11, 2020 12:11 PM (Ojki1)

160 > Never be the first to stop clapping.

Or even stop recording the clapping.

Stalin's speeches used to come on multiple LPs.

One disc with the actual speech, multiple discs of applause.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at July 11, 2020 12:11 PM (8u1cU)

161 I'm not 'getting' how making a riff off of David
Allen Coe sounding like Edgar Allen Poe is indicating validation of some
obscure racist dog whistle comment.

I guess it's just too 'meta' for my simple brain.

Posted by: Muldoon at July 11, 2020 12:08 PM (Fc5rx)

you were clever as hell as always. I envy that it comes so easy lol. I never saw the original quote and bet there was little to it. I recant my response until I see the offending quote.

Posted by: Quint at July 11, 2020 12:12 PM (hHxp2)

162 Confirmed COVID cases in white 25%. Therefore 75% in minority cases!
Posted by: rhennigantx at July 11, 2020 12:10 PM (JFO2v)

Covid 19, the other White Privilege?

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 11, 2020 12:12 PM (NgKpN)

163 >>
Gee, almost as if controlling immigration can control infectious diseases from getting in. What a Novel Idea. Oh wait, I'm being racist now. Damn!

Posted by: jim at July 11, 2020 12:05 PM (ynpvh)

It's not racist but it some kind of ism.
hmmm...Nationalism?

Posted by: Braenyard at July 11, 2020 12:12 PM (jy41H)

164 Napa?
Posted by: Captain Obvious, of the sloop John B. at July 11, 2020 12:11 PM (4zyav)

No... The real wine Country... Sonoma

Posted by: It's me donna at July 11, 2020 12:12 PM (Zmnko)

165 Where were all you people 25 years ago when I got kept after "diversity training" class simply for rolling my eyes at this sort of stuff? This shiite isn't new. Look up Jane Elliot (if it hasn't all been pulled by now). Nobody gave a f. Including my more "conservative " coworkers. See, it was all my fault. For rolling my eyes and being uncomfortable.

Posted by: WTP at July 11, 2020 12:13 PM (HA2LH)

166 159
110 I know I shouldn't, but beginning to hate everyone in Utah for giving us Mittens.

Posted by: Skip at July 11, 2020 11:58 AM (6f16T)

Between him and Harry Reid I'm about on board with another round of drive the Mormon's further West.

(apologies to any Mormon's on this board).

Posted by: Bete at July 11, 2020 12:11 PM (Ojki1)

I'm afraid it's worse out West. Trust me, I live on the Left coast. Maybe they should move East instead?

Posted by: jim at July 11, 2020 12:13 PM (ynpvh)

167 Also, see George Zimmerman. Though slightly different.

Posted by: WTP at July 11, 2020 12:14 PM (HA2LH)

168 Like those Medieval cultists, you can't reason with them.
Posted by: JoeF. at July 11, 2020 12:09 PM (gtdYu)
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I'd be amused if they went all Flagellant on themselves.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, of the sloop John B. at July 11, 2020 12:14 PM (4zyav)

169 David Allen Coe scares people.
He's from Ohio you know.

Posted by: Braenyard at July 11, 2020 12:14 PM (jy41H)

170 Forgot to add forced indoctrination meetings. Sound familiar?

Posted by: jim at July 11, 2020 12:03 PM (ynpvh)

Why, yes, Comrade! Of course!

Posted by: Stalin at July 11, 2020 12:15 PM (gtdYu)

171 I detect Little Billy Ayers' foul stench. He wanted death camps so he could kill 125 million of us so he could take over. I'm reasonably certain he and his commie cohorts are behind a lot of this. After he walked free, his buds in academia welcomed him with open arms and helped him in the march of anti-Americanism through our skoolz. We're now reaping his rotten fruit.

How he is able to walk around unmolested remains a mystery to me.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Who can fight the beast? Revelation 13:4 at July 11, 2020 12:02 PM (HaL55)

Ironically because of the very system he wants to tear down. Get rid of cops and any sense of law and order and, well, it wouldn't shock me if he weren't walking around much longer.

Posted by: Bete at July 11, 2020 12:15 PM (Ojki1)

172 163
>>

Gee, almost as if controlling immigration can control infectious
diseases from getting in. What a Novel Idea. Oh wait, I'm being racist
now. Damn!

Posted by: jim at July 11, 2020 12:05 PM (ynpvh)

It's not racist but it some kind of ism.

hmmm...Nationalism?

Posted by: Braenyard at July 11, 2020 12:12 PM (jy41H)

Well Nationist is equivalent to Racist and Nazi. I guess I must denounce myself.

Posted by: jim at July 11, 2020 12:16 PM (ynpvh)

173 David Allen Coe scares people.
He's from Ohio you know.
Posted by: Braenyard at July 11, 2020 12:14 PM (jy41H)

I hated him when I was forced to read "The Fall of the Hose of Usher', but yeah, some of his stuff IS scary!

Posted by: Millenial at July 11, 2020 12:16 PM (gtdYu)

174 After Stalin went to his well-deserved roasting in Hell, Krushchev gave a speech in which he acknowledged that Stalin was a monster.

Someone in the back yelled out "Why didn't you say something?"

K.: "Who said that?"

(silence)

K. (infuriated): "WHO. SAID. THAT?"

(silence)

K.: "And now you know why I didn't say anything."

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at July 11, 2020 12:17 PM (8u1cU)

175 Like those Medieval cultists, you can't reason with them.
Posted by: JoeF. at July 11, 2020 12:09 PM (gtdYu)
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I'd be amused if they went all Flagellant on themselves.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, of the sloop John B. at July 11, 2020 12:14 PM (4zyav)

Yes, but I should have added that they want to do that to everyone, not just themselves.

Posted by: JoeF. at July 11, 2020 12:17 PM (gtdYu)

176 I guess it's just too 'meta' for my simple brain.

Posted by: Muldoon at July 11, 2020 12:08 PM (Fc5rx)

***

I'm confused as well.
I s'pose I must go purge my nominative bad self.

Posted by: Diogenes at July 11, 2020 12:17 PM (axyOa)

177 Pure racism.
I am kind of amazed that there aren't lawsuits but I guess people are cowered in Seattle, probably don't feel like they would get a fair hearing.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 11, 2020 12:18 PM (r+sAi)

178 I wish someone would re-mix Sinatra's tunes and take out the fucking strings. Anything other than him and the Basie Band is just covered up in shitty orchestral movements.

I agree, too much of his music is over-arranged. His best stuff is much simpler or more jazzy.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 11, 2020 12:18 PM (KZzsI)

179 I live among 300,000 Chinese people who mostly think white people are dumb and black people are savages.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 11, 2020 12:18 PM (EZebt)

180 177
Pure racism.
I am kind of amazed that there aren't lawsuits but I
guess people are cowered in Seattle, probably don't feel like they would
get a fair hearing.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 11, 2020 12:18 PM (r+sAi)

And they are probably right.

Posted by: jim at July 11, 2020 12:18 PM (ynpvh)

181 I would bring out the Mother of All Lawsuits against the city for civil rights violations up the kazoo. I'm talking 8 or 9 figures, Covington kids-level money.

Posted by: Jonah Kyle at July 11, 2020 12:19 PM (SH7Tr)

182 After Stalin went to his well-deserved roasting in Hell, Krushchev gave a speech in which he acknowledged that Stalin was a monster.

Someone in the back yelled out "Why didn't you say something?"

K.: "Who said that?"

(silence)

K. (infuriated): "WHO. SAID. THAT?"

(silence)

K.: "And now you know why I didn't say anything."
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at July 11, 2020 12:17 PM (8u1cU)

Then Paul Harvey said, "And now you have The REST of the Story"

Posted by: JoeF. at July 11, 2020 12:19 PM (gtdYu)

183 1 Good topic

Posted by: Skip at July 11, 2020 11:18 AM (6f16T)

Good first, too. Ya know, I hadn't considered the cult programming aspect to these 'training sessions', but it does fit.

And as Tucker pointed out yesterday?, the Outrage Machine would be in its full venomous glory if it was POCs only forced to attend this sort of 'training'.

I hope someone files Civil Rights Act charges against the Seattle leadership. *waves at AG Barr*

Posted by: GnuBreed at July 11, 2020 12:19 PM (Z4rgH)

184 Why do we need to be careful...

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at July 11, 2020 12:07 PM (nAiE/)

Because Ace asked you to, so he can actually earn money on his business here.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 11, 2020 12:11 PM (hku12)

I do not recall Ace ever saying we need to censor our puns and singer references lest someone think one of the people we mention might be racist.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at July 11, 2020 12:19 PM (nAiE/)

185 180 177 Then file it in Federal Court and bring it all the way to the Supreme Court, where hopefully Roberts won't cuck out on this.

Posted by: Jonah Kyle at July 11, 2020 12:20 PM (SH7Tr)

186 Yes, but I should have added that they want to do that to everyone, not just themselves.
Posted by: JoeF. at July 11, 2020 12:17 PM (gtdYu)
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This is truth.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, of the sloop John B. at July 11, 2020 12:20 PM (4zyav)

187 The problem will be the backlash.

You know what is happening now? They are creating REAL racists.
They are indoctrinating White people that they are racists. They are
convincing them they ARE Racist, and there nothing they can do about it.

So, how soon until those people decide, OK, I'm a racist, may as well act like one.

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 11, 2020 12:10 PM (NgKpN)

More than anything I think they are creating Pinochets. I sense no racist anything growing in me, but damn I have a sudden urge to become a chopper pilot.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at July 11, 2020 12:20 PM (9Om/r)

188 "Tucker Carlson noted that the nation would be infuriated if similar
segregated training were developed just for Black employees."

When a chant of "black lives matter" is countered with someone saying "Liberty and Justice for ALL, equal application of law for ALL, our country is built on All Lives Mattering" ... then the BLM activist threatens to beat down and/or fire the Patriotic American.

This is happening Routinely ... which is criminal, and truly those Activist Thugs need diversity training. They are acting as the racial supremacists. But that is just my white 2+2=4 thinking at work.

Posted by: illiniwek at July 11, 2020 12:20 PM (Cus5s)

189 It's amazing that Americans are doing this to themselves.

Historians will be perplexed.

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I've always wondered how the Germans could have let it happen. I still don't know and it's happening before my eyes.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at July 11, 2020 12:20 PM (+y/Ru)

190 Can I just say, and I might be alone, but I want to wretch every time I hear the phrase, "people of color." Of course, I have color too, but it's not meant to include whites. I internally wretch because I know its only purpose is to have whites -->over hereover there<--. Thus, build a political force that is anti-white.

Posted by: Lady in Black at July 11, 2020 12:20 PM (O+I8R)

191 I would bring out the Mother of All Lawsuits against the city for civil rights violations up the kazoo. I'm talking 8 or 9 figures, Covington kids-level money.
Posted by: Jonah Kyle at July 11, 2020

*
*

If my employer tries to insist I do this "training," I'll be with you. The challenge will be finding an attorney who isn't only concerned with injury cases and who isn't a bootlicker.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 11, 2020 12:21 PM (rpbg1)

192 What amazes me about Stalin's thirst for killing is that his closest advisors, his inner circle---Molotov, Kaganovitch, Mikoyan, Malenkov, who were always paranoid about being "next"--all lived until the 1980's and 1990's.

Kaganovitch was the last to go, almost outliving the Soviet Union itself.

Posted by: JoeF. at July 11, 2020 12:22 PM (gtdYu)

193 188 They are acting as the racial
supremacists. But that is just my white 2+2=4 thinking at work.

Posted by: illiniwek at July 11, 2020 12:20 PM (Cus5s)

There is a PHD who said just that on Twatter before she went private. Keep me away from any building and bridges built by HER students.

Posted by: jim at July 11, 2020 12:22 PM (ynpvh)

194 Wow, that was a pixy fail. I meant to say...

Whites over here -- >

And People of Color over there < --

Posted by: Lady in Black at July 11, 2020 12:22 PM (O+I8R)

195 >>>

I agree, too much of his music is over-arranged. His best stuff is much simpler or more jazzy.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 11, 2020 12:18 PM (KZzsI)

Try the one's he did with Nelson Riddle.
Riddle is a superb arranger and his band is perfect.

ff: Sinatra dumped Stan Kenton for his backup in favor of Nelson Riddle.

Posted by: Braenyard at July 11, 2020 12:23 PM (jy41H)

196 jim -Canada

Posted by: Skip at July 11, 2020 12:23 PM (6f16T)

197 I just wish I could see the original post for information reasons. I am not taking anyone's side, other than Muldoon lol. I know who in this I don't side with.

Posted by: Quint at July 11, 2020 12:24 PM (hHxp2)

198 I think one of the big new things these commies are pushing is "its not enough to not be racist, you must be anti-racist" That is IKYN something being pushed at my not for profit sciencey workplace. I've been laying low instead of shouting "anti-racist, what does that mean? cuz it sounds like it means treating people differently based on race which would be you know - RACIST as fook"

Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at July 11, 2020 12:24 PM (T9Hmo)

199 So, how soon until those people decide, OK, I'm a racist, may as well act like one.

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 11, 2020 12:10 PM (NgKpN)

More than anything I think they are creating Pinochets. I sense no racist anything growing in me, but damn I have a sudden urge to become a chopper pilot.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at July 11, 2020 12:20 PM (9Om/r)

Was driving to the store yesterday and passed the School I went to Junior High at.

Was like, COOL, there were a couple of groups of High School age kids out there, playing sandlot football just like I had 50 years ago.

Then realized, there were two games going on, one mixed Hispanic and Whites.

One just Blacks.

Not a good sign.

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 11, 2020 12:25 PM (NgKpN)

200 Pure racism.
I am kind of amazed that there aren't lawsuits but I
guess people are cowered in Seattle, probably don't feel like they would
get a fair hearing.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 11, 2020 12:18 PM (r+sAi)

And they are probably right.

Posted by: jim

The city went 87% for hillary. They allowed Chaz.
There are multiple Safe Injection Sites.
No way in hell a conservative ever gets a fair trial by a jury of his peers.

Posted by: Diogenes at July 11, 2020 12:26 PM (axyOa)

201 The problem will be the backlash.

You know what is happening now? They are creating REAL racists. They are indoctrinating White people that they are racists. They are convincing them they ARE Racist, and there nothing they can do about it.

So, how soon until those people decide, OK, I'm a racist, may as well act like one.
Posted by: Romeo13 at July 11, 2020 12:10 PM (NgKpN)

Pretty sure that is the plan. Oh, not of the foot soldiers and those who think they are well meaning maybe, but the organizers and ring leaders 100%.

Look at China and its camps for Uygher Muslims. Divide and conquer and just for fun leave a group to continue to hate and blame when the system proves to be complete shit, lest people direct their rage at those at the top-which there will be as no way any of those trying to implement Marxism are going to actually give up any power they acquire.

Posted by: Bete at July 11, 2020 12:26 PM (Ojki1)

202 I guess it's just too 'meta' for my simple brain.

Posted by: Muldoon at July 11, 2020 12:08 PM (Fc5rx)

***

I'm confused as well.
I s'pose I must go purge my nominative bad self.
Posted by: Diogenes at July 11, 2020 12:17 PM (axyOa)

Good grief, if you don't understand, you don't understand.

But the commenter above said he has David Allen Coe songs going through his head, when he sees this stuff happening in Seattle.

Among Coe's repertoire, probably unknown to many, is some extraordinarily blatant and not even remotely subtle racist music.

Maybe he was a nice guy, I don't know, but that's what the commenter was referring to.

So when I say "be careful," I'm merely suggesting Ace would prefer to keep that garbage out of his comments section.

Clear?

Posted by: BurtTC at July 11, 2020 12:26 PM (hku12)

203 More than anything I think they are creating Pinochets. I sense no racist anything growing in me, but damn I have a sudden urge to become a chopper pilot.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at July 11, 2020 12:20 PM (9Om/r)

Trebuchet will due.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at July 11, 2020 12:27 PM (1g7ch)

204 I think the people who push this Racial shit are Marxists but many of the people who buy into it seem to do so out of this weird, misplaced, twisted Christian ethic where they feel they must atone through self-flagellation for being white and middle class.

Like those Medieval cultists, you can't reason with them.

I can't grok that at all. Growing up in the Buckle of the Bible Belt, I saw real live racism up close and personal.

Thankfully, I also watched it wither away and die, as it should have. We're in a far better place than we once were and everyone should know it. That we're suddenly being accused of "systematic racism" where none exists makes no sense to me. What it looks like to me is an attempt at mass brainwashing made far simpler for our enemies given the shitty state of our so-called "education system" that produces fragile little kids with outsized egos and very little in the way of common sense instead of fully formed adults.

This is some scary stuff. How can people be so intellectually weak that they'll automatically assume that they're somehow racist when they know they're not? I just don't get it at all...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Who can fight the beast? Revelation 13:4 at July 11, 2020 12:27 PM (HaL55)

205 190 Can I just say, and I might be alone, but I want to wretch every time I hear the phrase, "people of color." Of course, I have color too, but it's not meant to include whites. I internally wretch because I know its only purpose is to have whites -->over hereover there
Posted by: Lady in Black at July 11, 2020 12:20 PM (O+I8R)

Yup, its like the LGBT community who claim to be all inclusive.

Except they leave out Heterosexuals.

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 11, 2020 12:28 PM (NgKpN)

206 Posted by: BurtTC at July 11, 2020 12:11 PM (hku12)

I do not recall Ace ever saying we need to censor our puns and singer references lest someone think one of the people we mention might be racist.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at July 11, 2020 12:19 PM (nAiE/)

He didn't. It was addressed to obvious and disgusting Stormfront comments designed to
defund / deprive the site of ad revenue.

Posted by: Braenyard at July 11, 2020 12:28 PM (jy41H)

207 We're all gonna have high paying, do nothing jobs on the boards of Ukrainian corporations!

Joe Biden@JoeBiden
Here's my promise to you: If I have the honor of being elected president, I will take care of your family like I would my own.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at July 11, 2020 12:29 PM (+y/Ru)

208 207
We're all gonna have high paying, do nothing jobs on the boards of Ukrainian corporations!

Joe Biden@JoeBiden

Here's my promise to you: If I have the honor of being elected president, I will take care of your family like I would my own.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at July 11, 2020 12:29 PM (+y/Ru)

I could use some Oligarch's money right now!

Posted by: jim at July 11, 2020 12:30 PM (ynpvh)

209 Skip, re Romney -- from a Feb 7th 2020 KUTV poll report --

Romney's drop primarily comes among Republican voters. In October, 40% of "strong" Republicans said they approved of his job performance. Now, just 29% feel that way. His support among moderate Republicans dropped 18 points, 71% in October to 53% now. Even independent voters who lean toward the Republican party have softened their support for Romney from 49% in October to just 37% now.

Sounds like buyer's remorse to me.

Posted by: GnuBreed at July 11, 2020 12:30 PM (Z4rgH)

210 Maybe he was a nice guy, I don't know, but that's what the commenter was referring to.

So when I say "be careful," I'm merely suggesting Ace would prefer to keep that garbage out of his comments section.

Clear?

Posted by: BurtTC at July 11, 2020 12:26 PM (hku12)

Clearly pushing the envelope.

Posted by: Braenyard at July 11, 2020 12:30 PM (jy41H)

211 190 Can I just say, and I might be alone, but I want to wretch every time I hear the phrase, "people of color." Of course, I have color too, but it's not meant to include whites. I internally wretch because I know its only purpose is to have whites -->over hereover there
Posted by: Lady in Black at July 11, 2020 12:20 PM (O+I8R)

That's why they allow the idiocy of counting Latinos and Arabs as non-white when most of them are white

"POC" is a political category.

Posted by: JoeF. at July 11, 2020 12:30 PM (gtdYu)

212 Why do we need to be careful...

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at July 11, 2020 12:07 PM (nAiE/)

Because Ace asked you to, so he can actually earn money on his business here.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 11, 2020 12:11 PM (hku12)

I do not recall Ace ever saying we need to censor our puns and singer references lest someone think one of the people we mention might be racist.
Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at July 11, 2020 12:19 PM (nAiE/)

You and everyone else around here has been asked to NOT quote trolls and the race baiters when they show up. You've also been asked not to engage with them, but people do that anyway. So when I say "be careful," I'm not accusing anyone of being anything.

So you can continue to act ignorant, or you can stop trying to argue against what should be clear to everyone who comes here regularly to post comments.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 11, 2020 12:30 PM (hku12)

213 Police In Florida Town Will No Longer Respond To 'Non-Violent' 911 Calls

-
How about mostly peaceful 911 calls?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at July 11, 2020 12:31 PM (+y/Ru)

214 Romney's drop primarily comes among Republican voters. In October, 40% of "strong" Republicans said they approved of his job performance. Now, just 29% feel that way. His support among moderate Republicans dropped 18 points, 71% in October to 53% now. Even independent voters who lean toward the Republican party have softened their support for Romney from 49% in October to just 37% now.

Sounds like buyer's remorse to me.
Posted by: GnuBreed at July 11, 2020 12:30 PM (Z4rgH)

And apparently Romney doesn't care what they think

Posted by: JoeF. at July 11, 2020 12:31 PM (gtdYu)

215 Posted by: BurtTC at July 11, 2020 12:30 PM (hku12)

Who made you hall monitor?

Posted by: Braenyard at July 11, 2020 12:32 PM (jy41H)

216 Back in Clinton/Bush era Seattle built a huge number of high rise condos, many just north of Pikes Place Market. Great views, right in town. Beautiful places starting at about $1.5 mil and going much higher.
Now I laugh at these people. Trapped in their gilt cells as tear gas and pepper spray wafts thru the summer breezes.

Posted by: Diogenes at July 11, 2020 12:32 PM (axyOa)

217 Who has to feed these clowns?

Posted by: klaftern at July 11, 2020 12:32 PM (RuIsu)

218 213
Police In Florida Town Will No Longer Respond To 'Non-Violent' 911 Calls

-

How about mostly peaceful 911 calls?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at July 11, 2020 12:31 PM (+y/Ru)

Depends what is considered violent. Florida schools did a good job of changing felonious activities by students of color to misdemeanors to improve their arrest statistics. That's one way to reduce deaths by "violence".

Posted by: jim at July 11, 2020 12:33 PM (ynpvh)

219 Posted by: BurtTC at July 11, 2020 12:26 PM (hku12)

Clearly pushing the envelope.

Posted by: Braenyard at July 11, 2020 12:30 PM (jy41H)

Right, and I'm not even suggesting the commenter intended to start anything here, but the comment was made. And I assume (I haven't looked) has already been removed by one of the Cobs.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 11, 2020 12:33 PM (hku12)

220
Joe Biden@JoeBiden
Here's my promise to you: If I have the honor of being elected president, I will take care of your family like I would my own.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at July 11, 2020 12:29 PM (+y/Ru)

So we'd all be crackheads and whores?

Posted by: JoeF. at July 11, 2020 12:33 PM (gtdYu)

221 But the commenter above said he has David Allen Coe songs going through his head, when he sees this stuff happening in Seattle.

I am with your Burt TC in opposing racism. But if that was what was said for real, i think it was a knee jerk response. That could mean anything really. The one thing we don't do is tell people what they are thinking. Coe had some great songs, there is no doubt there. There is The Ride, You don't even call me by my name, Take this job and shove it and others.

I would just let this one go unless someone says something clear. Coe is a bit of a weirdo but he has made some good music and has been listened to by millions. If that is all the guy said, I am missing the real issue. Maybe there is a specific song he sung on those XXX cd's that relates to Seattle. Anyway. I have said my piece on this . I think we all are trying to be good Hordians and not cause Ace or anyone else any trouble.

Posted by: Quint at July 11, 2020 12:33 PM (hHxp2)

222 You know what is happening now? They are creating REAL racists. They are
indoctrinating White people that they are racists. They are convincing
them they ARE Racist, and there nothing they can do about it.

So, how soon until those people decide, OK, I'm a racist, may as well act like one.

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 11, 2020 12:10 PM (NgKpN)

This is not going to create racists of people who were not. It may push people to be much less tolerant of incipient bullshit and much more willing to do violence to end it. That is not racism though.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at July 11, 2020 12:33 PM (nAiE/)

223 Let's dust off an old Hit :

Mitt Romney will NEVER be president of the United States.

Posted by: garrett at July 11, 2020 12:34 PM (mPMq2)

224 Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Who can fight the beast? Revelation 13:4 at July 11, 2020 12:27 PM (HaL55)

They spent the last 40 years making White Males the butt of every joke on TV and Commercials.

Then in school, taught that even fighting back, was wrong and would get you suspended.

Then taught you had to parrot everything the school system said as 'truth', or you would fail.

They have spent more than a generation, teaching our Young White Males, that they are powerless, less than others, and should not fight back.

Hell, in Southern Calif you can wear a La Raza shirt to school, but can't wear an American Flag.

We've been taught to roll over, and surrender. It will be interesting to see if that teaching holds.

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 11, 2020 12:34 PM (NgKpN)

225 220

Joe Biden@JoeBiden

Here's my promise to you: If I have the honor of being elected president, I will take care of your family like I would my own.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at July 11, 2020 12:29 PM (+y/Ru)

So we'd all be crackheads and whores?

Posted by: JoeF. at July 11, 2020 12:33 PM (gtdYu)

Downside: having Joe Biden grope and sniff us. Maybe not worth the Oligarch monies.

Posted by: jim at July 11, 2020 12:34 PM (ynpvh)

226 I just don't get it at all... <<<<<<<

The fact you don't get it means you're racist. - The Leftists

See it's not ever about racism or logic, it's about power. These are the same people who say the actual ultimate racist thing that being born white means you are racist.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 11, 2020 12:34 PM (r+sAi)

227 Joe Biden@JoeBiden

Here's my promise to you: If I have the honor of being elected president, I will take care of your family like I would my own.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler

Gawd. Have you SEEN my sister-in-law???
No way I'm tapping that.

Posted by: Diogenes at July 11, 2020 12:35 PM (axyOa)

228 Posted by: BurtTC at July 11, 2020 12:33 PM (hku1

I'm sorry, you misunderstood me.

Posted by: Braenyard at July 11, 2020 12:35 PM (jy41H)

229 Oh look, Amazon just sent me a recommendation for The Dukes of Hazard.

Who do I forward this to so I can show Amazon is racist and hopefully get some sweet, sweet bank, and if not at least make Amazon uncomfortable?

Plus I don't need it, cause I already bought the series boxset, reunion movie and even cartoon in the last 3 months before it becomes blacklisted.

But still, Amazon is racist, am I right?

Posted by: Bete at July 11, 2020 12:35 PM (Ojki1)

230 Then file it in Federal Court and bring it all the way to the Supreme Court, where hopefully Roberts won't cuck out on this.

Sorta related: I hopped on the DOJ website yesterday and sent them an email.

To wit (three wit, even): "Why isn't 18 US Code 241 being used to defend our right to free speech?"

I've sent that same email question to Rush, Levin and Reynolds. Haven't received a reply and it's been a month now. I don't understand the silence.

If I'm wrong about that, I'd like to know why. I'm a big Boy and I can take it and I'll get off my soapbox about it if that law really doesn't mean what it says.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Who can fight the beast? Revelation 13:4 at July 11, 2020 12:35 PM (HaL55)

231 So when I say "be careful," I'm merely suggesting Ace would prefer to keep that garbage out of his comments section.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 11, 2020 12:26 PM (hku12)

Or you could butt out and let Ace and the cobloggers and the moderators do their jobs without your hyper-moralistic warnings.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 11, 2020 12:36 PM (dLLD6)

232 64 Erdogan should have been dealt with years ago. Trump was wrong to be as deferential as he was at the time. No one is perfect and the president was wrong to give this guy even an inch. I know I will likely get crap but who cares.....
Posted by: Quint at July 11, 2020 11:45 AM (hHxp2)
--------------------------------
No crap throwing. Trump, like Reagan, has had to pick his battles and has slipped up on a few things.
But ....
This reminds me of the whining I have heard from some glibberal friends about the refugee camps in Colombia and the horrible conditions in Venezuela. Why didn't/doesn't Trump do something?!?

There are limits to what the US can do in these cases without a massive commitment and political cost. But most of all --- if you are going to blame US policy for the situations in both Turkey and Venezuela, it's not Trump's face you put on the dart board.

Obama, who openly stated in 2008 that Erdogan was one of his favorite world leaders, coddled and promoted that POS for 8 crucial years. Likewise with Hugo Chavez. Obama positively drooled over him. By the time Trump came around, the damage in both countries was done.

Given the problems with Syria and ISIS that Trump inherited, our problem with Turkey have been put on the back-burner. (It also has not helped that the Dems have tied his hands regarding cooperation with Russia.)

If, God willing, Trump is re-elected, maybe ......
I don't know.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at July 11, 2020 12:36 PM (M/9m0)

233 Posted by: BurtTC at July 11, 2020 12:33 PM (hku1

I'm sorry, you misunderstood me.
Posted by: Braenyard at July 11, 2020 12:35 PM (jy41H)

No, I get it now.

You're one of those.

Bye.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 11, 2020 12:36 PM (hku12)

234 I've sent that same email question to Rush, Levin and Reynolds. Haven't received a reply and it's been a month now. I don't understand the silence.

If I'm wrong about that, I'd like to know why. I'm a big Boy and I can take it and I'll get off my soapbox about it if that law really doesn't mean what it says.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Who can fight the beast? Revelation 13:4 at July 11, 2020 12:35 PM (HaL55)

Yeah, I've been trying to find the 'all rights are suspended if there is a bad flu' clause in the Constitution too.

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 11, 2020 12:37 PM (NgKpN)

235 Million dollar Ukraine make-work jobs for all!

Posted by: ... at July 11, 2020 12:37 PM (uEbPt)

236 As part of this process, white employees must abandon their "white
normative behavior" and learn to let go of their "comfort," "physical
safety," "social status," and "relationships with some other white
people."

Let go of their physical safety aka we must accept and welcome Kill Whitey

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 11, 2020 12:37 PM (AilmM)

237 So you can continue to act ignorant, or you can stop trying to argue against what should be clear to everyone who comes here regularly to post comments.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 11, 2020 12:30 PM (hku12)

The point, which everyone seems to be missing, is that this BLM shit is coming perilously close to engendering the kind of bad old racism that we thought we had gotten beyond, and making it socially acceptable again.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 11, 2020 12:37 PM (YpIxn)

238 Joe Biden "I Sniffed a Girl" video.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wKBUuPDIzgQ
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at July 11, 2020 11:56 AM (38/p9)

Funny, but not as good as I was hoping. We need Paul Shanklin on the case.

Posted by: Ian S. at July 11, 2020 12:38 PM (6XLoz)

239 But the commenter above said he has David Allen Coe songs going through his head, when he sees this stuff happening in Seattle.

I
am with your Burt TC in opposing racism. But if that was what was said
for real, i think it was a knee jerk response. That could mean anything
really. The one thing we don't do is tell people what they are thinking.
Coe had some great songs, there is no doubt there. There is The Ride,
You don't even call me by my name, Take this job and shove it and
others.

I would just let this one go unless someone says
something clear. Coe is a bit of a weirdo but he has made some good
music and has been listened to by millions. If that is all the guy said,
I am missing the real issue. Maybe there is a specific song he sung on
those XXX cd's that relates to Seattle. Anyway. I have said my piece on
this . I think we all are trying to be good Hordians and not cause Ace
or anyone else any trouble.

Posted by: Quint at July 11, 2020 12:33 PM (hHxp2)

THIS. I did not see whatever comment was obviously deleted, but if it was just[?/i] someone saying they thought of David Allen Coe songs when looking at what was happening in Seattle, I think it is a ridiculous over reaction to assume that was a racist comment.

Especially since most of the rioters and insurrectionist were so white they were practically translucent.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at July 11, 2020 12:38 PM (nAiE/)

240 Posted by: BurtTC at July 11, 2020 12:26 PM (hku12)

Or you could butt out and let Ace and the cobloggers and the moderators do their jobs without your hyper-moralistic warnings.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 11, 2020 12:36 PM (dLLD6)

Saying "be careful" is hyper-moralistic?

Posted by: BurtTC at July 11, 2020 12:38 PM (hku12)

241 Joe Biden@JoeBiden

Here's my promise to you: If I have the honor of being elected president, I will take care of your family like I would my own.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler

Joe is joking, right?

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at July 11, 2020 12:38 PM (lgiXo)

242

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at July 11, 2020 12:39 PM (nAiE/)

243 Oddly enough our governor, Gretchen Witmer, recently announced a similar program for all the white medical workers in Michigan! It seems they are all racists, and as a result, more AA's died from the Chinese flu and childbirth, and she's not putting up with it. Which is amazing since just a few weeks ago they were all heroes!

Posted by: Chillin the most at July 11, 2020 12:39 PM (lonOK)

244 I just want to be loved!

Posted by: Mittens Rombley at July 11, 2020 12:39 PM (EgshT)

245 Anyone ever asked Romney what he plans to do with the roughly 1 Million dollars he will be paid while being Utah's Senator?

Because I am pretty sure he is taking that check.

Posted by: garrett at July 11, 2020 12:40 PM (HzsLa)

246
Joe Biden@JoeBiden

Here's my promise to you: If I have the honor of being elected president, I will take care of your family like I would my own.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler

Joe is joking, right?

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at July 11, 2020 12:38 PM (lgiXo)

Somehow, I do not think we all would get $50,000 per month do nothing jobs out of a Biden presidency.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at July 11, 2020 12:40 PM (nAiE/)

247 Joe Biden@JoeBiden

Here's my promise to you: If I have the honor of being elected president, I will take care of your family like I would my own.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler

Joe is joking, right?

But I don't want an Uncle Ernie...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Who can fight the beast? Revelation 13:4 at July 11, 2020 12:41 PM (HaL55)

248 So you can continue to act ignorant, or you can stop trying to argue against what should be clear to everyone who comes here regularly to post comments.
Posted by: BurtTC

*********

I've navigated this minefield for double digit years. For better or worse I have developed a style of sorts. Some people get it, and some people don't. While your concern is noted, I have to disagree with your characterization of me having "quoted" or "engaged with" a blatantly racist commenter.

If Ace or the cobs care to weigh in I'll listen.

Posted by: Muldoon at July 11, 2020 12:41 PM (Fc5rx)

249 Here's my promise to you: If I have the honor of being elected president, I will take care of your family like I would my own.

Which member of his family would that be like? Hunter? Or Hunter's stripper baby that Joe won't admit exists?

Posted by: Ian S. at July 11, 2020 12:41 PM (6XLoz)

250 223 Let's dust off an old Hit :

Mitt Romney will NEVER be president of the United States.

Posted by: garrett at July 11, 2020 12:34 PM (mPMq2)

A golden oldie.

Posted by: Braenyard at July 11, 2020 12:41 PM (jy41H)

251 So you can continue to act ignorant, or you can stop trying to argue against what should be clear to everyone who comes here regularly to post comments.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 11, 2020 12:30 PM (hku12)

The point, which everyone seems to be missing, is that this BLM shit is coming perilously close to engendering the kind of bad old racism that we thought we had gotten beyond, and making it socially acceptable again.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 11, 2020 12:37 PM (YpIxn)

Which I believe is intentional.

It seems rather obvious that George Floyd was just the excuse, not the catalyst. The marxists were ready to pounce at the first opportunity, and Floyd just happened to be it.

And if it had been a school shooting, they would have pounced on that, because they've been ready with (and using) a divide and conquer strategy all along.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 11, 2020 12:41 PM (hku12)

252 Oddly enough our governor, Gretchen Witmer, recently
announced a similar program for all the white medical workers in
Michigan! It seems they are all racists, and as a result, more AA's died
from the Chinese flu and childbirth, and she's not putting up with it.
Which is amazing since just a few weeks ago they were all heroes!

Posted by: Chillin the most at July 11, 2020 12:39 PM (lonOK)

Has anyone filed suit on account of her racism yet?

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at July 11, 2020 12:41 PM (nAiE/)

253 >>The point, which everyone seems to be missing, is that this BLM shit is coming perilously close to engendering the kind of bad old racism that we thought we had gotten beyond, and making it socially acceptable again.

Al Sharpton / Louis Farakhan, et al have been keeping it alive for decades.

Posted by: garrett at July 11, 2020 12:42 PM (j9V6d)

254 213 Police In Florida Town Will No Longer Respond To 'Non-Violent' 911 Calls

-
How about mostly peaceful 911 calls?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at July 11, 2020 12:31 PM (+y/Ru)

"Oh Ok. Give it 5 min then it will be a violent 911 call"

And then it turns into violence is the first resort since the cops aren't coming and that is what a number of conflicts devolve into, and would you rather be carried by 6 then judged by 12.

And then we have to have community discussions on how we've reached a point where minor things are getting such violent responses.

Posted by: Bete at July 11, 2020 12:42 PM (Ojki1)

255 64 Erdogan should have been dealt with years ago.
Trump was wrong to be as deferential as he was at the time. No one is
perfect and the president was wrong to give this guy even an inch. I
know I will likely get crap but who cares.....

Posted by: Quint at July 11, 2020 11:45 AM (hHxp2)

--------------------------------

No crap throwing. Trump, like Reagan, has had to pick his battles and has slipped up on a few things.

But ....

This reminds me of the whining I have heard from some glibberal
friends about the refugee camps in Colombia and the horrible conditions
in Venezuela. Why didn't/doesn't Trump do something?!?

There are limits to what the US can do in these cases without a
massive commitment and political cost. But most of all --- if you are
going to blame US policy for the situations in both Turkey and
Venezuela, it's not Trump's face you put on the dart board.

Obama, who openly stated in 2008 that Erdogan was one of his
favorite world leaders, coddled and promoted that POS for 8 crucial
years. Likewise with Hugo Chavez. Obama positively drooled over him.
By the time Trump came around, the damage in both countries was done.

Given the problems with Syria and ISIS that Trump inherited, our
problem with Turkey have been put on the back-burner. (It also has not
helped that the Dems have tied his hands regarding cooperation with
Russia.)

If, God willing, Trump is re-elected, maybe ......

I don't know.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at July 11, 2020 12:36 PM (M/9m0)

I hear ya Margatia DeVille. Turkey could really not be more important strategically and I know that. But there is is whining here. I have been against the tyrant Erdogan for ages and so have most conservatives. The time to oust the tryrant was during the coup of a few years ago. The time to call out the tyrant was when his cronies assaulted Americans in DC on our own soil. At some point you have to admit something is lost no matter how important it is. The guy is no ally, so why pretend he is?

Posted by: Quint at July 11, 2020 12:42 PM (hHxp2)

256 A "whites-only" training of any sort is illegal discrimination according to federal law. Period. There needs to be a lawsuit, targeting specific employees (and council members) who mandated this training.

I also think a successful religious discrimination lawsuit could be had (with the tight judge and jury) pointing out that all of the things in that training are a religion, and "establishing" a religion is un-Constitutional for a governmental body (since the incorporation doctrine).

Posted by: GWB at July 11, 2020 12:43 PM (zDcxE)

257 I've navigated this minefield for double digit years. For better or worse I have developed a style of sorts. Some people get it, and some people don't. While your concern is noted, I have to disagree with your characterization of me having "quoted" or "engaged with" a blatantly racist commenter.

If Ace or the cobs care to weigh in I'll listen.

Posted by: Muldoon at July 11, 2020 12:41 PM (Fc5rx)

I was trying to be helpful, not even remotely suggesting you did anything wrong.

But Charlie has now weighed in, so I'm done with this subject.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 11, 2020 12:44 PM (hku12)

258 Watched Celebrity Golf replay from Tahoe. Found out that the OK sign can't be white power, at least to Steph Curry, it's on his hat, I guess a trademark for his 3-point shooting. Also swore I heard a rap lyric with the N-word from a greenside boat (no on-course gallery) when the Currys were playing 17. Also, NBC going mega-Woke with a Monday Night Race and Sports discussion on 5-affiliated Comcast networks.

I don't need FIVE DAMN NETWORKS telling me I am a bad man solely because of the color of my skin and politics, but mostly because of the color of my skin.

Posted by: Al Unsure at July 11, 2020 12:44 PM (Jib4S)

259 Anyone ever asked Romney what he plans to do with the roughly 1 Million dollars he will be paid while being Utah's Senator?

Since that's apparently how the game is played now, Trump needs to have the FBI open a bullshit investigation to railroad Romney.

Posted by: Ian S. at July 11, 2020 12:44 PM (6XLoz)

260 254
213 Police In Florida Town Will No Longer Respond To 'Non-Violent' 911 Calls

-

How about mostly peaceful 911 calls?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at July 11, 2020 12:31 PM (+y/Ru)

"Oh Ok. Give it 5 min then it will be a violent 911 call"

And then it turns into violence is the first resort since the cops
aren't coming and that is what a number of conflicts devolve into, and
would you rather be carried by 6 then judged by 12.

And then we have to have community discussions on how we've reached a
point where minor things are getting such violent responses.

Posted by: Bete at July 11, 2020 12:42 PM (Ojki1)

Which is what the Left wants. They want violence, so they can implement gun confiscation via government mandate, the Constitution be damned. It'll be an emergency, they will HAVE to do it for the children.

Posted by: jim at July 11, 2020 12:44 PM (ynpvh)

261 Trump's style, always, is to be deferential.

He's confident in himself if the other doesn't want to play square.

Posted by: Braenyard at July 11, 2020 12:44 PM (jy41H)

262 Listening to Saturday financial show, now talking about colleges and universities which are facing a HUGE crisis. Massive drop-off in fall enrollments and revenue, state support, over 50,000 employees are being laid off or fired, programs eliminated (and its mostly not STEM) etc...

Things get much worse and they may have to eliminate VP's of diversity, stop building luxury buildings and even cut tuition

This makes my day. I can only hope its true. Let It Burn.

Posted by: Ripley at July 11, 2020 12:45 PM (MxEKc)

263 This reminds me of the whining I have heard from some glibberal friends about the refugee camps in Colombia and the horrible conditions in Venezuela. Why didn't/doesn't Trump do something?!?
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at July 11, 2020 12:36 PM (M/9m0)

Same group "Wah! America is not the world's police officers and shouldn't push its values on other countries!"

Posted by: Bete at July 11, 2020 12:45 PM (Ojki1)

264 Nothing is happening.

CHANGE MY MIND

Posted by: blaster at July 11, 2020 12:45 PM (Ieq1i)

265 Which is what the Left wants. They want violence, so
they can implement gun confiscation via government mandate, the
Constitution be damned. It'll be an emergency, they will HAVE to do it
for the children.

Posted by: jim at July 11, 2020 12:44 PM (ynpvh)

They can certainly try. That does not mean we should not be defending ourselves.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at July 11, 2020 12:45 PM (nAiE/)

266 So what Seattle is saying is that George Wallace was right?

Weird.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 11, 2020 12:46 PM (Z+IKu)

267 The time to oust the tryrant was during the coup of a
few years ago.

Posted by: Quint at July 11, 2020 12:42 PM (hHxp2)

Except there was no coup. There might have been the inklings of a conspiracy to plan a coup, but there wasn't a real coup. It was a purge by Erdogan. While it might have given a cassus belli (metaphorically, I hope) to try and oust the dude, it wouldn't have had the backing that Erdogan made it look like. IMO.

Posted by: GWB at July 11, 2020 12:47 PM (zDcxE)

268 It seems rather obvious that George Floyd was just the excuse, not the catalyst. The marxists were ready to pounce at the first opportunity, and Floyd just happened to be it.

Notice how quickly the media dropped the story with the two randos who drove after a black guy shooting when Floyd happened? It wasn't getting them the traction they wanted.

Posted by: Ian S. at July 11, 2020 12:47 PM (6XLoz)

269 I was trying to be helpful, not even remotely suggesting you did anything wrong.
Posted by: BurtTC

********

Fair enough, brother. Let's move on.

Posted by: Muldoon at July 11, 2020 12:47 PM (Fc5rx)

270 Things get much worse and they may have to eliminate VP's of diversity, stop building luxury buildings and even cut tuition

This makes my day. I can only hope its true. Let It Burn.

Golly gosh, Wally. What a shame it would be if this became a torpedo that circled back around to destroy the Indoctrination Industry.

Shucky darns...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Who can fight the beast? Revelation 13:4 at July 11, 2020 12:47 PM (HaL55)

271 265
Which is what the Left wants. They want violence, so

they can implement gun confiscation via government mandate, the

Constitution be damned. It'll be an emergency, they will HAVE to do it

for the children.

Posted by: jim at July 11, 2020 12:44 PM (ynpvh)

They can certainly try. That does not mean we should not be defending ourselves.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at July 11, 2020 12:45 PM (nAiE/)

I agree wholeheartedly. I'm merely pointing out the Left has created a damned-if-you-do-damned-if-you-don't situation intentionally. Their Orwellian "peaceful protests" and the fact they refuse to convict those of violence is all the proof I need.

Posted by: jim at July 11, 2020 12:48 PM (ynpvh)

272 it's on his hat, I guess a trademark for his 3-point shooting.

It's European and NBA for "3". (Physically easier than our Boy Scout pledge "3", too). Many celebrities like to be pictured with it over their eye, too.

Posted by: t-bird at July 11, 2020 12:48 PM (fFtVH)

273 Guess I'm a Luddite
Had to look up David Coe,
Poor Haiku subject.

Posted by: Diogenes at July 11, 2020 12:48 PM (axyOa)

274 So what Seattle is saying is that George Wallace was right?

Weird.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 11, 2020 12:46 PM (Z+IKu)

It was a subject that George Wallace and Malcolm X agreed on. Malcolm X thought it incredibly condescending and racist for the courts to say that little black children literally could not learn effectively or equally unless they were sitting next to little white children.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at July 11, 2020 12:49 PM (nAiE/)

275 <<<
Yeah, I've been trying to find the 'all rights are suspended if there is a bad flu' clause in the Constitution too.

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 11, 2020 12:37 PM (NgKpN)

It's there. Trump said it but it's been overlooked.

Many times he has said we have been attacked by China. He implied that we are at war with China and that he could make states etc. do what he wanted.

Can't site chapter and verse, but if we are under attack (which we are) by a foreign state the president has virtually unlimited powers.

Posted by: Braenyard at July 11, 2020 12:49 PM (jy41H)

276 "When you have stopped your "white normative behavior.""

Yeah, this one made me think outside the box, alright.

If present, I would have immediately stood up, thrown a chair at the presenter, and started using every filthy (racist and sexist) word I could think of. When it was demanded that I cease, I would simply reply that I decided to stop my "white normative behavior".

Posted by: GWB at July 11, 2020 12:49 PM (zDcxE)

277 >> Listening to Saturday financial show, now talking about colleges and universities which are facing a HUGE crisis. Massive drop-off in fall enrollments and revenue, state support, over 50,000 employees are being laid off or fired, programs eliminated (and its mostly not STEM) etc...

Why should they be any different than the rest of us?

Sell off some of your property, bitches.
Fire your excess Staff.
Trim the fat.

Yeah, I am looking at you lesbian profs in the humanities Department.

Posted by: garrett at July 11, 2020 12:49 PM (HzsLa)

278 Man, you should have seen them kicking David Allen Coe....

Posted by: The Beatles at July 11, 2020 12:50 PM (gtdYu)

279 So we can't use our firearms for defense or they will take away our firearms for defense.

Sounds like it has worked.

Posted by: blaster at July 11, 2020 12:50 PM (Ieq1i)

280 Except there was no coup. There might have been the
inklings of a conspiracy to plan a coup, but there wasn't a real coup.
It was a purge by Erdogan. While it might have given a cassus belli
(metaphorically, I hope) to try and oust the dude, it wouldn't have had
the backing that Erdogan made it look like. IMO.

Posted by: GWB at July 11, 2020 12:47 PM (zDcxE)

fair point. I don't know if anyone has written a good history on this but it would be interesting. I don't doubt what you are saying even a bit.

Posted by: Quint at July 11, 2020 12:50 PM (hHxp2)

281 In other words, lie back and think of [Somalia].

Posted by: blaster at July 11, 2020 11:24 AM (Ieq1i)

FIFY

Posted by: GWB at July 11, 2020 12:50 PM (zDcxE)

282 Many celebrities like to be pictured with it over their eye, too.
Posted by: t-bird at July 11, 2020 12:48 PM (fFtVH)
------
Be seeing you.

Posted by: Number Two at July 11, 2020 12:51 PM (4zyav)

283 245 Anyone ever asked Romney what he plans to do with the roughly 1 Million dollars he will be paid while being Utah's Senator?

Because I am pretty sure he is taking that check.
Posted by: garrett at July 11, 2020 12:40 PM (HzsLa)

Well, since apparently one can sue for tax returns maybe time to look at Romney's. Just in case there is some CoC cash being funneled to him.

Posted by: Bete at July 11, 2020 12:51 PM (Ojki1)

284 I agree wholeheartedly. I'm merely pointing out the
Left has created a damned-if-you-do-damned-if-you-don't situation
intentionally. Their Orwellian "peaceful protests" and the fact they
refuse to convict those of violence is all the proof I need.

Posted by: jim at July 11, 2020 12:48 PM (ynpvh)

Yes, mayors and states attorneys have shown that there are no consequences for the "peaceful protesters" but God forbid if you try to defend yourself then the full weight of their law will be dropped on you. There is no real law in many places just the whims of leftists to destroy all opposition

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 11, 2020 12:51 PM (AilmM)

285 Many times he has said we have been attacked by China. He implied that we are at war with China and that he could make states etc. do what he wanted.

Can't site chapter and verse, but if we are under attack (which we are) by a foreign state the president has virtually unlimited powers.
Posted by: Braenyard at July 11, 2020 12:49 PM (jy41H)

/Looks around for a declaration of War.

Hmmm, something seems to be missing.

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 11, 2020 12:51 PM (NgKpN)

286 Mama tried.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at July 11, 2020 12:51 PM (vuisn)

287 279
So we can't use our firearms for defense or they will take away our firearms for defense.

Sounds like it has worked.

Posted by: blaster at July 11, 2020 12:50 PM (Ieq1i)

My point exactly.

Posted by: jim at July 11, 2020 12:51 PM (ynpvh)

288 "When you have stopped your "white normative behavior.""

About the same time I stopped beating my wi..

Oh, I see what they're trying to do now.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Who can fight the beast? Revelation 13:4 at July 11, 2020 12:52 PM (HaL55)

289 I will take care of your family like I would my own. <<<<<<

But I don't want to be sniffed and felt up.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 11, 2020 12:52 PM (r+sAi)

290 283
245 Anyone ever asked Romney what he plans to do with the roughly 1 Million dollars he will be paid while being Utah's Senator?

Because I am pretty sure he is taking that check.

Posted by: garrett at July 11, 2020 12:40 PM (HzsLa)

Well, since apparently one can sue for tax returns maybe time to
look at Romney's. Just in case there is some CoC cash being funneled to
him.

Posted by: Bete at July 11, 2020 12:51 PM (Ojki1)

Please add Schiff, Pelosi, Schumer... to the list.

Posted by: jim at July 11, 2020 12:52 PM (ynpvh)

291 Fair enough, brother. Let's move on.
Posted by: Muldoon at July 11, 2020 12:47 PM (Fc5rx)

Onward and upward.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 11, 2020 12:52 PM (hku12)

292 Scalia said the way to end racism was to stop using race as a criteria ... or something like that, against the quota crap I think. But the identity politics of division is a leftist tactic ... they have now again brought out the race card, but added weaponry and WokeKorpse powers.

Posted by: illiniwek at July 11, 2020 12:53 PM (Cus5s)

293 It was a subject that George Wallace and Malcolm X agreed on. Malcolm X thought it incredibly condescending and racist for the courts to say that little black children literally could not learn effectively or equally unless they were sitting next to little white children.
Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at July 11, 2020 12:49 PM (nAiE/)

Malcolm X wasn't stupid and he knew condescending behavior when he saw it. He made some good points.

He made more sense than Talcum X does today.

Posted by: JoeF. at July 11, 2020 12:53 PM (gtdYu)

294 289 I will take care of your family like I would my own.

But I don't want to be sniffed and felt up.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 11, 2020 12:52 PM (r+sAi)

So, Cocaine sniffing and I'd have to sleep with my Brothers Ex?

Nope.

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 11, 2020 12:53 PM (NgKpN)

295 266 So what Seattle is saying is that George Wallace was right?

Weird.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 11, 2020 12:46 PM (Z+IKu)

There is tape on the presumed Democrat nominee claiming he is proud of getting an award from Wallace.

Posted by: Bete at July 11, 2020 12:53 PM (Ojki1)

296 I think the better lesson to brush up on right now is not how the Nazi rise to power was allowed to happen but rather how it was stopped.

Posted by: ... at July 11, 2020 12:54 PM (Ss1RH)

297 Posted by: Quint at July 11, 2020 12:50 PM (hHxp2)

BTW, I agree wholeheartedly about finding some way to either oust Erdogan or some way to divest ourselves of the entire country.

My answer was to build an air base in northern Iraq (Kurd country) and relocate everything from Turkey. It's nice and central to everywhere we need to strike in that area.

Posted by: GWB at July 11, 2020 12:54 PM (zDcxE)

298 I wonder if the Democrat VDH is still holding onto his magic dirt blank slate ideology? Stupid question he'll hold onto it until he dies.

Posted by: DFCtomm at July 11, 2020 12:55 PM (50gG9)

299 One of the most insightful comments I've seen anywhere I believe was deleted but to paraphrase why does the left think there has to be a hierarchy with someone always in submission and someone always on top? Can't remember who made the comment but it was better than I have written here. Zero sum is stupid. By striving for it, it has ruined what we had.

Posted by: Piratepatch from the flood zone at July 11, 2020 12:55 PM (Cbf72)

300 The DAC commenter left a youtube link. If you go to it it is the Rodeo Song aka You Piss Me Off, which is not a DAC song but Gary Lee and Showdown. A couple of posts after the link the original poster corrects the name of the artist.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos at July 11, 2020 12:55 PM (3DZIZ)

301 255---The guy is no ally, so why pretend he is?
Posted by: Quint at July 11, 2020 12:42 PM (hHxp2)
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Oh, yeah. The diplomatic kissy-face, the pretense, makes me cringe, no matter what POTUS does it.

But at least in Trump's case I'm more confident he KNOWS it's bull.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at July 11, 2020 12:55 PM (M/9m0)

302 296
I think the better lesson to brush up on right now is not how the Nazi
rise to power was allowed to happen but rather how it was stopped.

Posted by: ... at July 11, 2020 12:54 PM (Ss1RH)
My Dad remembers how it was stopped.

Posted by: jim at July 11, 2020 12:55 PM (ynpvh)

303 Playing with super glue, so if my typing gets even worse its because I'll be typing with two or three fingers at a time

Posted by: Skip at July 11, 2020 12:55 PM (6f16T)

304 My answer was to build an air base in northern Iraq (Kurd country) and relocate everything from Turkey. It's nice and central to everywhere we need to strike in that area.
Posted by: GWB at July 11, 2020 12:54 PM (zDcxE)

or how about this: we just mind our own fucking business?

Posted by: DFCtomm at July 11, 2020 12:56 PM (50gG9)

305 I think the better lesson to brush up on right now is not how the Nazi rise to power was allowed to happen but rather how it was stopped.
Posted by: ... at July 11, 2020 12:54 PM (Ss1RH)
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It was pretty drastic.

Posted by: SHAEF and the Red Army at July 11, 2020 12:56 PM (4zyav)

306 They're really just gonna have Junksatawney Joe come out of his hole every few weeks and say things like "jobs" and "family" and they think it's going to win them a presidential election.

If I didn't know any better, I'd say they were mailing the cycle in, while running around destroying as much as they can for fun and profit. It's possible I don't know any better.

Posted by: ... at July 11, 2020 12:56 PM (Ss1RH)

307 279 So we can't use our firearms for defense or they will take away our firearms for defense.

Sounds like it has worked.
Posted by: blaster at July 11, 2020 12:50 PM (Ieq1i)

Certainly in St. Louis.

Posted by: Bete at July 11, 2020 12:56 PM (Ojki1)

308 At the beginning of the session, the trainers explain that white people have internalized a sense of racial superiority, which has made them unable to access their "humanity" and caused "harm and violence" to people of color.
_______________

Bullshit.

What is the evidence that supports this? There is none. It's just made-up bullshit. It's based on nothing more than "we feel that this is true, therefore it must be true."

People need to stop accepting this crap, because that is all it is. When some leftist tool starts spouting off about "systemic racism," demand that he/she/it cite the proof of the racism in the system. And answers like "people of color feel marginalized" is not proof of anything except somebody's feelings, which are totally subjective.

If "systemic racism" exists in any system, it should be easy enough for people to point to the evidence that proves it. But they never do. They point to one or two incidents of racism, but that is not proof of "systemic" anything.

Are black people sometimes treated unfairly by cops? Yes, but so are white people and Asian people and hispanic people and all types of other people. That is not proof of systemic racism. Do black people sometimes get injured or killed unnecessarily by cops? Yes, but so do white people and hispanic people and Asian and all other types of people. The fact that some cops are sometimes racist is not proof that there is systemic racism is our policing system.

Systemic racism is racism that is built into the system, and perpetuated and protected by the system. Ask a lefty to name any current system that has racism intentionally built into it. They can't, because they don't exist anymore. They did exist once, but they have long since been outlawed. The only types of "systemic racism" that are still tolerated in the U.S. are the kinds that are going on in places like the Ivy League, where they blatantly and intentionally discriminate against qualified Asian applicants in admissions, because administrators don't want "too many" Asian students in their school populations.

The psychobabble bullshit that is being pushed down white peoples' throats by "Diversity Administrators" and "Inclusiveness Officers" and whatever other nonsensical titles these idiots give themselves must start being challenged as the garbage that it is. Call it out as the utter bullshit that it is. Refuse to be cowed. It's long past time people started standing up and saying NO to this crap.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at July 11, 2020 12:56 PM (k4dH2)

309 >>BTW, I agree wholeheartedly about finding some way to either oust Erdogan or some way to divest ourselves of the entire country.

Dissolve and reconstitute NATO without them.

Get out of Germany and into Poland and the Baltic Nations.

Move our Bases to friendlier climes and finally, start killing out enemies with impunity (and stop negotiating with them).

Posted by: garrett at July 11, 2020 12:56 PM (HzsLa)

310 303
Playing with super glue, so if my typing gets even worse its because I'll be typing with two or three fingers at a time

Posted by: Skip at July 11, 2020 12:55 PM (6f16T)

I'll be looking out for the same keys hit over and over.

Posted by: jim at July 11, 2020 12:56 PM (ynpvh)

311 Call the Federal Bureau of Intractable Situations. They'll know what to do.

Posted by: klaftern at July 11, 2020 12:56 PM (RuIsu)

312 Haven't gotten all the way through them yet, but the New Discourse articles linked in this post both are very good. Will be forwarding those.

Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at July 11, 2020 12:57 PM (oAY8z)

313 Romney thinks he's pure because he doesn't drink (although I have my doubts), smoke or cheat on his wife, so he views Trump as a man of low repute and holds himself aloft as the very model of a "Public Servant."
So any dirty dealing he engages in--politics and venture capitalism can both be dirty--is okay, because well, that's business.

He's a fraud and deep down he knows it.

Posted by: JoeF. at July 11, 2020 12:57 PM (gtdYu)

314 >>> 279 So we can't use our firearms for defense or they will take away our firearms for defense.

Sounds like it has worked.
Posted by: blaster at July 11, 2020 12:50 PM (Ieq1i)

You can say that again.

Posted by: The McClosky's and the Wuestenberg's at July 11, 2020 12:58 PM (fz0iQ)

315 One of the most insightful comments I've seen
anywhere I believe was deleted but to paraphrase why does the left think
there has to be a hierarchy with someone always in submission and
someone always on top? Can't remember who made the comment but it was
better than I have written here. Zero sum is stupid. By striving for it,
it has ruined what we had.

Posted by: Piratepatch from the flood zone at July 11, 2020 12:55 PM (Cbf72)

I was only thinking about this this morning. You know the Left had this thing in journalism about "comforting the afflicted" and "afflicting the comfortable".

And a normal human wonders, "why the need for that second thing?" Because as soon as you comfort your afflicted, you're gonna have to go right in and start afflicting them again, lest they get too comfortable.

It's related to what you're talking about.

Posted by: ... at July 11, 2020 12:59 PM (Ss1RH)

316 297---My answer was to build an air base in northern Iraq (Kurd country) and relocate everything from Turkey. It's nice and central to everywhere we need to strike in that area.
Posted by: GWB at July 11, 2020 12:54 PM (zDcxE)
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Yep.
As long as we're dreaming, I'd like an independent Kurdistan.
And an independent Euro-Turkey.
Heh.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at July 11, 2020 01:00 PM (M/9m0)

317 Any furthering tangles with Turkey would just lead to one of the Classic Blunders.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at July 11, 2020 01:00 PM (vuisn)

318
The psychobabble bullshit that is being pushed down white peoples' throats by "Diversity Administrators" and "Inclusiveness Officers" and whatever other nonsensical titles these idiots give themselves must start being challenged as the garbage that it is. Call it out as the utter bullshit that it is. Refuse to be cowed. It's long past time people started standing up and saying NO to this crap.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at July 11, 2020 12:56 PM (k4dH2)

By denying it so vehemently you have proved yourself super-racist!

Welcome to KafkaTrap(tm)

Posted by: blaster at July 11, 2020 01:00 PM (Ieq1i)

319 I think the better lesson to brush up on right now is not how the Nazi rise to power was allowed to happen but rather how it was stopped.
Posted by: ... at July 11, 2020 12:54 PM (Ss1RH)

With a world war?

I'd prefer to do it before then. 1923 was an important year for the nazis. So was 1936. The movement could have been stopped either time, and countless others in between. But once the German state and the western allies showed they were unwilling (morally weak) to try to stop them, it came to a war that cost tens of millions of lives.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 11, 2020 01:01 PM (hku12)

320
What is the evidence that supports this? There is none. It's just
made-up bullshit. It's based on nothing more than "we feel that this is
true, therefore it must be true."
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I don't even think they feel it. Saying something is not the same as feeling it.

Posted by: ... at July 11, 2020 01:01 PM (Ss1RH)

321 >>> Any furthering tangles with Turkey would just lead to one of the Classic Blunders.
Posted by: Dr. Varno at July 11, 2020 01:00 PM (vuisn)

Never go up against a Sicilian when death is on the line?

Posted by: The McClosky's and the Wuestenberg's at July 11, 2020 01:02 PM (fz0iQ)

322 Posted by: TrivialPursuer at July 11, 2020 12:56 PM (k4dH2)

Excellent points.

That's why I get sick to my stomach when people pretend that great strides haven't been made in racial justice and it's the same--or worse--than it ever was.

60 years ago lacks were prohibited--BY LAW--from living and working where they wanted, from going to the colleges they wanted, from marrying who they wanted, and they were barred from all sorts of things great and small including the right to vote in certain places.

NONE of this is true today.

Posted by: JoeF. at July 11, 2020 01:02 PM (gtdYu)

323 It's a deeper problem than having the wrong
politicians in place too.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 11, 2020 11:39 AM (hku12)

Yes, it's having an electorate that doesn't give a crap about its responsibilities under the Constitution, and has outsourced the hard work to those politicians (who naturally won't hold themselves accountable).

You want to save the Republic, change hearts and minds in the electorate.

Posted by: GWB at July 11, 2020 01:03 PM (zDcxE)

324 made-up bullshit

@@@@@

I refuse to even read it or listen to this crap. I don't want my IQ to drop from the intensity of the stupid and the resulting brain cramp.

Posted by: Piratepatch from the flood zone at July 11, 2020 01:03 PM (Cbf72)

325 With a world war?

I'd prefer to do it before then. 1923 was an important year for the
nazis. So was 1936. The movement could have been stopped either time,
and countless others in between. But once the German state and the
western allies showed they were unwilling (morally weak) to try to stop
them, it came to a war that cost tens of millions of lives.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 11, 2020 01:01 PM (hku12)

IMO the method stopping them is the same - force - and the only difference is the *scale*. Which unfortunately gets larger with the passage of time. Are you a bit ornery today? I don't think you were intentionally missing my point.

Posted by: ... at July 11, 2020 01:04 PM (Ss1RH)

326 Zero sum is stupid.

This is true.

It's also a falsity that has somehow gained ground in certain circles for reasons that remain a mystery.

That ridiculous idea has also gained some ground in economic theory, which is even more absurd. It's easily proven wrong with even a cursory examination.

Seems like so much of our modern life is recycled bullshit such as this. We truly live in the Disinformation Age.

#WASTF

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Who can fight the beast? Revelation 13:4 at July 11, 2020 01:04 PM (HaL55)

327 Romney thinks he's pure because he doesn't drink (although I have my doubts), smoke or cheat on his wife, so he views Trump as a man of low repute and holds himself aloft as the very model of a "Public Servant."
So any dirty dealing he engages in--politics and venture capitalism can both be dirty--is okay, because well, that's business.

He's a fraud and deep down he knows it.
Posted by: JoeF.
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Trump doesn't drink or smoke either. 2 out of 3 ain't bad...///

Posted by: lin-duh en fugue at July 11, 2020 01:04 PM (UUBmN)

328 Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at July 11, 2020 12:49 PM (nAiE/)

Malcolm X wasn't stupid and he knew condescending behavior when he saw it. He made some good points.

He made more sense than Talcum X does today.

Posted by: JoeF. at July 11, 2020 12:53 PM (gtdYu)

And they were learning more then than they are today.

Posted by: Braenyard at July 11, 2020 01:04 PM (jy41H)

329 Saying something is not the same as feeling it.
Posted by: ... at July 11, 2020 01:01 PM (Ss1RH)
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Polly wants a cracker!

Posted by: Parrots at July 11, 2020 01:05 PM (4zyav)

330 322
60 years ago lacks were prohibited--BY LAW--from living and working
where they wanted, from going to the colleges they wanted, from marrying
who they wanted, and they were barred from all sorts of things great
and small including the right to vote in certain places.

NONE of this is true today.

Posted by: JoeF. at July 11, 2020 01:02 PM (gtdYu)

And don't forget these political practices were brought to you by your local friendly Democratic party.

Posted by: jim at July 11, 2020 01:05 PM (ynpvh)

331 I've come to the conclusion that anarchy followed by communism is not such a bad way to go.

Posted by: Mittens Rombley at July 11, 2020 01:05 PM (EgshT)

332 Posted by: TrivialPursuer at July 11, 2020 12:56 PM (k4dH2)

But the Government / Corporate Structure of Government we currently have, will punish you is you voice your dissent.

Note how every Person who has gone after BLM, from the couple who tried to paint over the street sign, to the guy who pulled an AR to stop a mob from destroying his home, HAVE HAD THEIR JOBS THREATENED.

Hell, Football coach lost $1 MILLION for wearing an One America News T-shirt.

Corporations have chosen sides. And THEY will punish you for your dissent.

Which is a whole new dynamic to this game.

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 11, 2020 01:05 PM (NgKpN)

333 This is from last weekend, but it is a long form piece by Julie Kelly at Am Greatness, an essay derived from her new book, about how the Never Trump crowd enabled the persecution of Trump from the get go.

https://tinyurl.com/ybmh6vgp

She has lots of quotes from the likes of Tom Nichols, Frum, Goldberg, Kristol et al showing how they pushed the collusion narrative. She names and shames lots of people, and lays out a convincing argument. Worth a read.

Posted by: GnuBreed at July 11, 2020 01:05 PM (Z4rgH)

334 There is a quote by Boetcker often attributed to Lincoln of you can't strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. Also you can't further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatreds.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 11, 2020 01:06 PM (r+sAi)

335 Stupid sock

Posted by: On the screws at July 11, 2020 01:06 PM (fz0iQ)

336 ...but a regime based on the principles of Nikole Hannah-Jones, Ibram X. Kendi, and Robin DiAngelo doesn't work too well. . .

They left out that great statesmen, Idi Amin and Robert Mugabe.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 11, 2020 01:06 PM (PY3qk)

337 Trump doesn't drink or smoke either. 2 out of 3 ain't bad...///

Posted by: lin-duh en fugue at July 11, 2020 01:04 PM (UUBmN)

Neither does David Alan Coe

Posted by: BignJames at July 11, 2020 01:06 PM (X/Pw5)

338 Dissolve and reconstitute NATO without them.

Get out of Germany and into Poland and the Baltic Nations.

Move our Bases to friendlier climes and finally, start killing out enemies with impunity (and stop negotiating with them).
Posted by: garrett at July 11, 2020 12:56 PM (HzsLa)

Why is there any need for Nato at all?

Honestly, other than because no one alive can remember a world without Nato, what purpose does it serve?

Posted by: BurtTC at July 11, 2020 01:06 PM (hku12)

339
Everyone needs a GOOD SHIT 'cos they are all FULL OF IT.
especially NORM ATIVE !

Posted by: Saf at July 11, 2020 01:06 PM (5IHGB)

340 or how about this: we just mind our own fucking business?

Posted by: DFCtomm at July 11, 2020 12:56 PM (50gG9)

I'm very pro-that. My desire for a base is a purely practical one. I think we should maintain enough of a presence to reach out and touch any nasty that wants to make trouble for us. I don't give a crap whether they're nice people where we build our bases (though encouraging people who could be really good allies is a positive), so long as we can use them to go kick in the teeth of our enemies when they pop up.

(Oh, and my pro-Kurd position is primarily understanding how backing them would put a thorn in the side of every Islamist and tyrant in the region. It is not based on some ludicrous idea that, given the chance, they would be a middle-eastern America.)

Posted by: GWB at July 11, 2020 01:08 PM (zDcxE)

341 Seattle: "Segregation yesterday, segregation today, segregation forever."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 11, 2020 01:08 PM (PY3qk)

342 >>>334 There is a quote by Boetcker often attributed to Lincoln of you can't strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. Also you can't further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatreds.

"The road to truth is not paved with lies."
^
Forgot who said it, but it also applies.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at July 11, 2020 01:09 PM (vuisn)

343 As part of this process, white employees must abandon their "white normative behavior" and learn to let go of their "comfort," "physical safety," "social status," and "relationships with some other white people."

"Physical safety?" Is than an admission that the bruthas are prone to violence?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 11, 2020 01:09 PM (PY3qk)

344 Dissolve and reconstitute NATO without them.

Get out of Germany and into Poland and the Baltic Nations.

Move our Bases to friendlier climes and finally, start killing out enemies with impunity (and stop negotiating with them).
Posted by: garrett at July 11, 2020 12:56 PM (HzsLa)

EU has the money, and the manpower, to defend itself from an almost Bankrupt Russia.

Why are we there?

Especially as the EU is NOT A DEMOCRACY?

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 11, 2020 01:09 PM (NgKpN)

345
I don't Smoke or fuck other peoples wives, I just sniff and give them the old Joe Finger routine,nominate ME .

Posted by: Saf at July 11, 2020 01:10 PM (5IHGB)

346 Turkey made the Haiga Sophia a mosque again.

OK, if that's the game, it's on.
Hey, Israel! Come get your entire Temple back!

Posted by: Jenos Idanian at July 11, 2020 01:11 PM (Qf0BO)

347 off to buy some Goya. I wish they made a Tequila.

Posted by: Quint at July 11, 2020 01:11 PM (hHxp2)

348
Yes, it's having an electorate that doesn't give a crap about its responsibilities under the Constitution, and has outsourced the hard work to those politicians (who naturally won't hold themselves accountable).

You want to save the Republic, change hearts and minds in the electorate.
Posted by: GWB at July 11, 2020 01:03 PM (zDcxE)

And the politicians have outsourced it to judges so they don't have to be accountable. And once you get high enough, none of the judges can be held accountable except by the politicians who are in no way inclined to do so, though they may darkly threaten to if the judge rules in a way the politician doesn't like.

Posted by: Bete at July 11, 2020 01:12 PM (Ojki1)

349 I'm very pro-that. My desire for a base is a purely practical one. I think we should maintain enough of a presence to reach out and touch any nasty that wants to make trouble for us. I don't give a crap whether they're nice people where we build our bases (though encouraging people who could be really good allies is a positive), so long as we can use them to go kick in the teeth of our enemies when they pop up.

*inserts pocket protector*

I'd prefer a robust technology that wouldn't even need a foreign base to operate from. Something that could be launched from right here into orbit in say, 8 or 10 minutes and be able to project the same power anywhere.

*cough*spaceforce*cough*

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Who can fight the beast? Revelation 13:4 at July 11, 2020 01:12 PM (HaL55)

350 Posted by: BurtTC at July 11, 2020 01:01 PM (hku12)

IMO the method stopping them is the same - force - and the only difference is the *scale*. Which unfortunately gets larger with the passage of time. Are you a bit ornery today? I don't think you were intentionally missing my point.
Posted by: ... at July 11, 2020 01:04 PM (Ss1RH)

Not intentionally being ornery, no. I probably did miss your point.

Wholeheartedly agree, force is the only way to stop it, but that's what I fear the most. We have no one who holds the levers of power right now with the will to stop it, here and now. So it's going to take a cataclysmic event, or a slow deterioration into hell before the people themselves rise up and fight.

We will have to lose much, maybe everything, before that happens.

I'd prefer not to be governed by Chamberlain, but I think right now we have a thousand little Chamberlains pulling those levers. I don't see us stopping this anytime soon.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 11, 2020 01:12 PM (hku12)

351 Posted by: GWB at July 11, 2020 01:08 PM (zDcxE)

Any major Military presence need access to the Sea for Supply lines.

Our Air bases in Turkey have that. An Air Base in Northern Iraq, would not. Their Supply lines would be dependent on the stability and good will, of Iraq.

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 11, 2020 01:12 PM (NgKpN)

352 Haiga Sophia

That girl smells pretty good, IIRC.

Posted by: Sniffin' Uncle Joe Biden at July 11, 2020 01:13 PM (EgshT)

353 GARGEN NOOD

Posted by: Skip, the guy who says NOOD at July 11, 2020 01:13 PM (6f16T)

354 Jordan Peterson has some good lectures on YouTube dismantling the whole Zero Sum/Oppression Hierarchy

Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at July 11, 2020 01:13 PM (oAY8z)

355 Zero sum is stupid.

This is true.

It's also a falsity that has somehow gained ground in certain circles for reasons that remain a mystery.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Who can fight the beast? Revelation 13:4 at July 11, 2020 01:04 PM (HaL55)

Thank Karl Marx for that notion, which is actually widely believed in Europe, viz., that someone who becomes rich necessarily did so at the expense of others.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 11, 2020 01:13 PM (PY3qk)

356 The Left: we should have integrated neighborhoods

Also The Left: Ban Gentrification!

Posted by: blaster at July 11, 2020 01:15 PM (Ieq1i)

357 IMO the method stopping them is the same - force - and the only difference is the *scale*. Which unfortunately gets larger with the passage of time.

Management 101: personnel problems only get WORSE with time. Invariably.

Inexperienced managers typically ignore personnel problems in the hope that they'll go away. They don't. They get worse, and they spread. Best nipped in the bud, by far.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 11, 2020 01:15 PM (PY3qk)

358
I'd prefer not to be governed by Chamberlain,
but I think right now we have a thousand little Chamberlains pulling
those levers. I don't see us stopping this anytime soon.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 11, 2020 01:12 PM (hku12)

100% agreement on everything bro. It's possible I was a bit ambiguous in my initial thought, but I generally try not to be!

Posted by: ... at July 11, 2020 01:15 PM (Ss1RH)

359 332---Which is a whole new dynamic to this game.
Posted by: Romeo13 at July 11, 2020 01:05 PM (NgKpN)
-------------------------------------------
Absolutely.
The capitulation of major sectors of our ruling class --- corporations, sports, etc. --- to radical ideology is new.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at July 11, 2020 01:16 PM (M/9m0)

360 Thank Karl Marx for that notion, which is actually widely believed in Europe, viz., that someone who becomes rich necessarily did so at the expense of others.

Thanks for the info, DJG.

Why am I not at all surprised?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Who can fight the beast? Revelation 13:4 at July 11, 2020 01:16 PM (HaL55)

361 Yes, it's having an electorate that doesn't give a crap about its responsibilities under the Constitution, and has outsourced the hard work to those politicians (who naturally won't hold themselves accountable).

You want to save the Republic, change hearts and minds in the electorate.
Posted by: GWB at July 11, 2020 01:03 PM (zDcxE)

And the politicians have outsourced it to judges so they don't have to be accountable. And once you get high enough, none of the judges can be held accountable except by the politicians who are in no way inclined to do so, though they may darkly threaten to if the judge rules in a way the politician doesn't like.
Posted by: Bete at July 11, 2020 01:12 PM (Ojki1)

And forming a cloud over all of it is a hostile corporate media that will say not nice things about the politicians and judges, if they step out of line.

Think about it, the only thing MOST Americans know about Clarence Thomas, if they know anything at all, is he might have asked out a woman 40 something years ago, and commented about a hair on a Coke can.

It takes great courage and internal fortitude for someone like him to say "yeah, I'm going to try to do the right thing anyway."

How many of those do we have in positions of power?

Seems we can count them on one or two hands.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 11, 2020 01:17 PM (hku12)

362 341 Seattle: "Segregation yesterday, segregation today, segregation forever."
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 11, 2020 01:08 PM (PY3qk)

What I've found interesting, is that 60 years after the Civil Rights Acts, various ethnicities are still self segregating.

They CHOOSE to live in Black, or Hispanic, or Mong, or whatever Cultural flavor, neighborhoods.

Its almost like people want to live amongst their own Tribes, and everyone is ALLOWED to...

Except White People of course, that's Racist.

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 11, 2020 01:17 PM (NgKpN)

363 313 Romney thinks he's pure because he doesn't drink (although I have my doubts), smoke or cheat on his wife, so he views Trump as a man of low repute and holds himself aloft as the very model of a "Public Servant."
So any dirty dealing he engages in--politics and venture capitalism can both be dirty--is okay, because well, that's business.

He's a fraud and deep down he knows it.
Posted by: JoeF. at July 11, 2020 12:57 PM (gtdYu)

Don't drink, don't smoke, what do you do?

Posted by: Adam Ant at July 11, 2020 01:17 PM (Ojki1)

364 As long as we are top dog we will need overseas bases.

When we achieve the "rods from space" or the technical ability to somehow strike anywhere on a moments notice, then we may start removing bases.

Posted by: Braenyard at July 11, 2020 01:17 PM (jy41H)

365 "off to buy some Goya. I wish they made a Tequila."

I just bought $60 of Goya stuff ... free next day delivery from WalMart. Not very keto friendly ... beans will keep a long time, can be part of my prepper stash I guess. Some of the spice packets might help add variety in my meals ...

Posted by: illiniwek at July 11, 2020 01:17 PM (Cus5s)

366 For the record, I'm not racist, but I listen to David Allen Coe. Tennessee Whisky is such a good song, but there have been songs that my grandchildren are shocked by. But I don't think he's racist.

Posted by: Chillin the most at July 11, 2020 01:17 PM (lonOK)

367 I'm very pro-that. My desire for a base is a purely
practical one. I think we should maintain enough of a presence to reach
out and touch any nasty that wants to make trouble for us. I don't give a
crap whether they're nice people where we build our bases (though
encouraging people who could be really good allies is a positive), so
long as we can use them to go kick in the teeth of our enemies when they
pop up.

(Oh, and my pro-Kurd position is primarily understanding
how backing them would put a thorn in the side of every Islamist and
tyrant in the region. It is not based on some ludicrous idea that, given
the chance, they would be a middle-eastern America.)

Posted by: GWB at July 11, 2020 01:08 PM (zDcxE)

fair people on both sides disagree on the issue. Nothing you said was off base. I agree with it. We need our troops somewhere and if we are in position to smite our enemies, that only makes sense. Yeah we all want everyone home etc etc. We all want a lot of things, but your idea is pretty good as opposed to pretending with fake friends. The tip of the sword should be placed where it can do some damage. That is the point of the entire affair.

Posted by: Quint at July 11, 2020 01:18 PM (hHxp2)

368 Thank Karl Marx for that notion, which is actually widely believed in Europe, viz., that someone who becomes rich necessarily did so at the expense of others.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 11, 2020 01:13 PM (PY3qk)
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Marxists: The proletariat aren't getting a big enough piece of the pie!

Reasonable people: Why not make the pie bigger?

Marxists: Boo!

Posted by: Captain Obvious, of the sloop John B. at July 11, 2020 01:19 PM (4zyav)

369 Posted by: BurtTC at July 11, 2020 01:12 PM (hku12)

100% agreement on everything bro. It's possible I was a bit ambiguous in my initial thought, but I generally try not to be!
Posted by: ... at July 11, 2020 01:15 PM (Ss1RH)

Same here, no worries!

Posted by: BurtTC at July 11, 2020 01:19 PM (hku12)

370 #WASTF

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Who can fight the beast? Revelation 13:4 at July 11, 2020 01:04 PM (HaL55)

I just KNEW I was missing something, that the world wasn't quite right, sorta like that AllenG fella and his message of burning and salting the earth thingy.

Posted by: GnuBreed at July 11, 2020 01:19 PM (Z4rgH)

371 Seattle: "Segregation yesterday, segregation today, segregation forever."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 11, 2020 01:08 PM (PY3qk)

They are well past that and moving on to full Zimbabwe

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 11, 2020 01:20 PM (UnQ9z)

372 Which is a whole new dynamic to this game.
Posted by: Romeo13 at July 11, 2020 01:05 PM (NgKpN)
-------------------------------------------
Absolutely.
The capitulation of major sectors of our ruling class --- corporations, sports, etc. --- to radical ideology is new.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at July 11, 2020 01:16 PM (M/9m0)

if only we had some historical reference points of what this might lead to.....hmmmm

Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at July 11, 2020 01:20 PM (oAY8z)

373 As long as we are top dog we will need overseas bases.

When we achieve the "rods from space" or the technical ability to somehow strike anywhere on a moments notice, then we may start removing bases.

Agreed. I was just thinking out loud about why we would need a Space Force at all. Being a hardware geek, this makes a lot of sense to me.

With most of the world being against us (which it always has since our inception because jealous), I'd love to see us become as self-sufficient as possible. We shouldn't be dependent upon anyone else who could and probably would sabotage our efforts.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Who can fight the beast? Revelation 13:4 at July 11, 2020 01:23 PM (HaL55)

374 I'd prefer to do it before then. 1923 was an important year for the nazis. So was 1936. The movement could have been stopped either time, and countless others in between.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 11, 2020 01:01 PM (hku12)

I think the Germans were hosed either way. Their choices boiled down to the Nazis, or the Communists. Recall that in 1919 the Communists seized power in Bavaria and Berlin until the Freikorps sorted them out.

In the runup to the 1932 election the KDP and the NSDAP had running street battles (in fact, the SA was formed originally to protect NSDAP meetings from KDP adherents from breaking them up, as they did the meetings of all other parties).

By that point the Germans knew what the Commies would do, having seen the USSR's experience, and so somewhat reluctantly plumped for the NSDAP (30% of the vote, IIRC) and probably hoped that some of their rhetoric was just bluster (kind of like people now who think Iran's rhetoric is just bluster).

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 11, 2020 01:23 PM (PY3qk)

375 Any plans for another SoCal MoMee to combat the isolation?

Posted by: InCali at July 11, 2020 01:25 PM (9AFWN)

376 Marxists: The proletariat aren't getting a big enough piece of the pie!

Reasonable people: Why not make the pie bigger?

Marxists: Boo!
Posted by: Captain Obvious, of the sloop John B. at July 11, 2020 01:19 PM (4zyav)

The notion of "zero sum" is intrinsic to Marx's analysis. Without it, and the labor theory of value, the whole analysis collapses.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 11, 2020 01:25 PM (PY3qk)

377 I just KNEW I was missing something, that the world wasn't quite right, sorta like that AllenG fella and his message of burning and salting the earth thingy.

I should see if I still have his email addy. Last time I heard from him (last year), he was busy with that "working" thingy I hear so much about.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Who can fight the beast? Revelation 13:4 at July 11, 2020 01:25 PM (HaL55)

378 When we achieve the "rods from space" or the technical ability to somehow strike anywhere on a moments notice, then we may start removing bases.

I respectfully disagree. That presupposes that we can solve any problem with a technical solution. That is a fallacy, and one that would seriously constrain our freedom of action.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 11, 2020 01:27 PM (PY3qk)

379 361
Think about it, the only thing MOST Americans know about Clarence
Thomas, if they know anything at all, is he might have asked out a woman
40 something years ago, and commented about a hair on a Coke can.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 11, 2020 01:17 PM (hku12)

The PBS documentary "...In His Own Words" was actually quite good. I was surprised something like that was on PBS.

Posted by: jim at July 11, 2020 01:27 PM (ynpvh)

380 No... The real wine Country... Sonoma

Posted by: It's me donna at July 11, 2020 12:12 PM (Zmnko)

Pfft. Real wine country is Columbia River in Washington (the non-crazy side).

Posted by: GWB at July 11, 2020 01:28 PM (zDcxE)

381 So far no glue mishaps

Posted by: Skip at July 11, 2020 01:28 PM (6f16T)

382 375
Any plans for another SoCal MoMee to combat the isolation?

Posted by: InCali at July 11, 2020 01:25 PM (9AFWN)

I hosted a MoMe about two years ago, but my life has been a dumpster fire since then. Hope other folks have kept it up.

Posted by: jim at July 11, 2020 01:30 PM (ynpvh)

383 Any major Military presence need access to the Sea for Supply lines.

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 11, 2020 01:12 PM (NgKpN)

I think that's over-rated for a sustain-in-place presence. BUT, I think you're at least arguing on the correct point - logistics. Not some Foggy Bottom notion of statecraft.

Posted by: GWB at July 11, 2020 01:31 PM (zDcxE)

384 By that point the Germans knew what the Commies would do, having seen the USSR's experience, and so somewhat reluctantly plumped for the NSDAP (30% of the vote, IIRC) and probably hoped that some of their rhetoric was just bluster (kind of like people now who think Iran's rhetoric is just bluster).
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 11, 2020 01:23 PM (PY3qk)

I always have a hard time with the "what if" questions around other possible outcomes, because there are just too many variables about which I have no knowledge. So I figure whenever someone decides "if this had happened, things would have been better" are pointless. Because we just can't know.

The lesson for us today, I think, is paying attention to the tactics, and coming up with strategies to combat them, if we can.

Right now, the BEST I can hope for is a landslide electoral victory this fall, and with a mandate given, the Republican Party can start acting like they care what their voters want.

I almost envy the Euros of the first half of this century. They had clear lines, clear distinctions between the various factions. They knew whether to stand on this side or that. Or the other.

Now, we have so many snakes wearing human skin, nobody really knows what most of these creatures are up to. Other than the ones who are clear in their declarations now. The AOCs, the Illin Omars, even some of the BLMs. They're saying what they want. Louder and louder now.

But, for example, Mitt Romney? Really, does anyone know what he wants? Does he?

Posted by: BurtTC at July 11, 2020 01:31 PM (hku12)

385 Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at July 11, 2020 12:49 PM (nAiE/)

Malcolm X wasn't stupid and he knew condescending behavior when he saw it. He made some good points.

He made more sense than Talcum X does today.

Posted by: JoeF. at July 11, 2020 12:53 PM (gtdYu)

And they were learning more then than they are today.

Posted by: Braenyard at July 11, 2020 01:04 PM (jy41H)

Tom Sowell discusses this extensively... including in his now book that came out a few days ago (it was released on his 90th birthday).

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at July 11, 2020 01:32 PM (nAiE/)

386 >> When we achieve the "rods from space" or the technical ability to somehow strike anywhere on a moments notice, then we may start removing bases.

I respectfully disagree. That presupposes that we can solve any problem with a technical solution. That is a fallacy, and one that would seriously constrain our freedom of action.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 11, 2020 01:27 PM (PY3qk)

No one has yet invented a solution that doesn't involve 'boots on the ground', but, like Socialism, it just hasn't had the Right People in charge yet.

Soon...

Posted by: GnuBreed at July 11, 2020 01:33 PM (Z4rgH)

387 372 Which is a whole new dynamic to this game.
Posted by: Romeo13 at July 11, 2020 01:05 PM (NgKpN)
-------------------------------------------
Absolutely.
The capitulation of major sectors of our ruling class --- corporations, sports, etc. --- to radical ideology is new.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at July 11, 2020 01:16 PM (M/9m0)

if only we had some historical reference points of what this might lead to.....hmmmm
Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at July 11, 2020 01:20 PM (oAY8z)

This dynamic is new IMO. Corporations are siding with minorities, against a Majority. Even to the point of supporting groups who threaten their own survival.

And punishing those who go speak out against the 'new orthodoxy'.

It makes no sense.

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 11, 2020 01:33 PM (NgKpN)

388 At the beginning of the session, the trainers explain that white people have internalized a sense of racial superiority,

The Padres think the Yankees have internalized a sense of athletic superiority, as the Browns think of the Patriots.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 11, 2020 01:33 PM (PY3qk)

389 384
Right now, the BEST I can hope for is a landslide electoral victory
this fall, and with a mandate given, the Republican Party can start
acting like they care what their voters want.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 11, 2020 01:31 PM (hku12)

Sorry, I started laughing at this. You *BELIEVE* the modern Rep party will act like they care AFTER an election? I think the last few election cycles have shown us the true colors of many of these so-called Republicans.

Posted by: jim at July 11, 2020 01:34 PM (ynpvh)

390 No one has yet invented a solution that doesn't involve 'boots on the ground', but, like Socialism, it just hasn't had the Right People in charge yet.

Soon...
Posted by: GnuBreed at July 11, 2020 01:33 PM (Z4rgH)

Yep. That's where I was going with this.

Wonder weapons are great ... if you have a well-defined target, that only has miscreants around it.

But if the miscreants are in and among innocent people, you can't just blast them without getting a lot of blowback.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 11, 2020 01:35 PM (PY3qk)

391 Think about it, the only thing MOST Americans know about Clarence
Thomas, if they know anything at all, is he might have asked out a woman
40 something years ago, and commented about a hair on a Coke can.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 11, 2020 01:17 PM (hku12)

The PBS documentary "...In His Own Words" was actually quite good. I was surprised something like that was on PBS.
Posted by: jim at July 11, 2020 01:27 PM (ynpvh)

Right, the opportunity is there, but for the most part, most people aren't going to look too far beyond the narrative that is created and sustained by the Corporate Media Industrial Complex.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 11, 2020 01:35 PM (hku12)

392 Burt TC go look up Don Surber, I think he is predicting a landslide

Posted by: Skip at July 11, 2020 01:37 PM (6f16T)

393 Posted by: BurtTC at July 11, 2020 01:31 PM (hku12)

Sorry, I started laughing at this. You *BELIEVE* the modern Rep party will act like they care AFTER an election? I think the last few election cycles have shown us the true colors of many of these so-called Republicans.
Posted by: jim at July 11, 2020 01:34 PM (ynpvh)

I think the chance is not zero, but yeah, when I say that's our best hope... I'm considering all other possibilities to be worse.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 11, 2020 01:37 PM (hku12)

394 386 Further,

Trump has just reaffirmed the Missile Defense strategy, RR's doctrine that helped to collapse the Soviet Union. Star Wars, if you will.

Invulnerable America is a scary thing, if ultimately impossible for major players.

Posted by: GnuBreed at July 11, 2020 01:38 PM (Z4rgH)

395 As to Turkey having access to the sea - true, for now. If Erdogan decides to flip, our bases in Turkey are just as cut-off. So, our bases are just as dependent on the stability and good will... of Turkey.

Also, the bases in Turkey are NOT American bases. We are on Turkish bases, filled with Turkish soldiers and airmen. A purely American base would increase our security significantly.

Just points to ponder.

Posted by: GWB at July 11, 2020 01:39 PM (zDcxE)

396 Methinks the Gods of the Copybook Headings have returned.

Posted by: empire 1 at July 11, 2020 01:39 PM (AtYs7)

397 Burt TC go look up Don Surber, I think he is predicting a landslide
Posted by: Skip at July 11, 2020 01:37 PM (6f16T)

There's so much time between now and November, I don't think anyone can predict what will happen with much accuracy.

So yeah, if nothing major happens between now and then, I could easily see a landslide. And then we'd have to see if the new Speaker has some balls or not. If Mitch gets pressure from some new Senators. If new Governors are going to look at the Abbott model, and say "yeah, no. Not going that way."

Posted by: BurtTC at July 11, 2020 01:40 PM (hku12)

398 Trump has just reaffirmed the Missile Defense strategy, RR's doctrine that helped to collapse the Soviet Union. Star Wars, if you will.

Invulnerable America is a scary thing, if ultimately impossible for major players.
Posted by: GnuBreed at July 11, 2020 01:38 PM (Z4rgH)

Invulnerability is impossible to achieve. Even if we could stop any and all missiles with 100% probability, we're still vulnerable to sneaky terrorist attacks, and always will be.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 11, 2020 01:41 PM (PY3qk)

399 393
Posted by: BurtTC at July 11, 2020 01:31 PM (hku12)

Sorry, I started laughing at this. You *BELIEVE* the modern Rep
party will act like they care AFTER an election? I think the last few
election cycles have shown us the true colors of many of these so-called
Republicans.

Posted by: jim at July 11, 2020 01:34 PM (ynpvh)

I think the chance is not zero, but yeah, when I say that's our best
hope... I'm considering all other possibilities to be worse.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 11, 2020 01:37 PM (hku12)

I see a best-case scenario is Trump wins by a landslide, we get both houses, but District Attorneys across the country continue to harass Trump (thanks, SCOTUS!), and blue states continue to try to make life a living hell for the rest of us. Republicans, once again in control of two houses will sit on their hands like they did the first two years of Trump, refusing to pass legislation they swore they would if they only had more than "one half of one branch of goverment" during the Obama years. Call me a cynic, you're probably right.

Posted by: jim at July 11, 2020 01:41 PM (ynpvh)

400 383 Any major Military presence need access to the Sea for Supply lines.

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 11, 2020 01:12 PM (NgKpN)

I think that's over-rated for a sustain-in-place presence. BUT, I think you're at least arguing on the correct point - logistics. Not some Foggy Bottom notion of statecraft.
Posted by: GWB at July 11, 2020 01:31 PM (zDcxE)

the issue is, are they there for Deterence, or are they there for active military operations.

To Deter? Presence is enough, BUT you are committing American assets for a long time.

Hell, we still have 700 Troops in the Sanai. Been there since 1979 to enforce the Egypt / Israel Peace deal.

One that is currently in no need of being enforced. Egypt is no threat to Israel.

But for active Military Operations? You need secure supply lines, that are NOT at the mercy of Unstable not really friendly States.

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 11, 2020 01:43 PM (NgKpN)

401 This dynamic is new IMO. Corporations are siding with minorities, against a Majority. Even to the point of supporting groups who threaten their own survival.

And punishing those who go speak out against the 'new orthodoxy'.

It makes no sense.
Posted by: Romeo13 at July 11, 2020 01:33 PM (NgKpN)

I think it was a combination of remarkable naivete and cynicism.

They didn't see the harm in supporting the pablum messages of "we're against sexism and racism and whatever other isms you got." And then they figured, if they cowtow to the ism pushers, the rest of us rubes are too conditioned to buy their garbage that we won't stop.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 11, 2020 01:44 PM (hku12)

402 Right, the opportunity is there, but for the most part, most people aren't going to look too far beyond the narrative that is created and sustained by the Corporate Media Industrial Complex.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 11, 2020 01:35 PM (hku12)

I remember being incredulous at the time that the enemedia would go after a To Kill a Mockingbird type prosecution but party above all. In retrospect it was probably the only intelligent political thing GHWB did, and was probably by accident.

Posted by: Captain Hate at July 11, 2020 01:44 PM (y7DUB)

403 But if the miscreants are in and among innocent people, you can't just blast them without getting a lot of blowback.

Mossad seems to be adept at pinpoint strikes. Last one I saw pics of went dead square through the roof of a car and a couple of terrorists.

That right there is some pretty good shootin', parder.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Who can fight the beast? Revelation 13:4 at July 11, 2020 01:44 PM (HaL55)

404 I see a best-case scenario is Trump wins by a landslide, we get both houses, but District Attorneys across the country continue to harass Trump (thanks, SCOTUS!), and blue states continue to try to make life a living hell for the rest of us. Republicans, once again in control of two houses will sit on their hands like they did the first two years of Trump, refusing to pass legislation they swore they would if they only had more than "one half of one branch of goverment" during the Obama years. Call me a cynic, you're probably right.
Posted by: jim at July 11, 2020 01:41 PM (ynpvh)

Paul Ryan being gone is a good thing and we can only hope that a DJT landslide would force the GOP to stop being embarrassed by the base.

Posted by: Captain Hate at July 11, 2020 01:47 PM (y7DUB)

405 402
Right, the opportunity is there, but for the most part, most people
aren't going to look too far beyond the narrative that is created and
sustained by the Corporate Media Industrial Complex.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 11, 2020 01:35 PM (hku12)

I remember being incredulous at the time that the enemedia would go
after a To Kill a Mockingbird type prosecution but party above all. In
retrospect it was probably the only intelligent political thing GHWB
did, and was probably by accident.

Posted by: Captain Hate at July 11, 2020 01:44 PM (y7DUB)

I found out the other day that although GHWB publicly condemned the Chicoms over Tianamen, he privately told them it was just rhetoric and continued supporting them the 90's. Asshole. Too many presidents, both R's and D's, have bent over backwards for those commie bastards, and now we are reaping the whirlwind we sowed.

Posted by: jim at July 11, 2020 01:47 PM (ynpvh)

406 Posted by: BurtTC at July 11, 2020 01:37 PM (hku12)

I see a best-case scenario is Trump wins by a landslide, we get both houses, but District Attorneys across the country continue to harass Trump (thanks, SCOTUS!), and blue states continue to try to make life a living hell for the rest of us. Republicans, once again in control of two houses will sit on their hands like they did the first two years of Trump, refusing to pass legislation they swore they would if they only had more than "one half of one branch of goverment" during the Obama years. Call me a cynic, you're probably right.
Posted by: jim at July 11, 2020 01:41 PM (ynpvh)

I just figure voters are for the most part thinking their job is done when they vote. So if the Rs get majorities all over the place, voters will go back to sleep.

Now, we know Ryan in particular was ready to get to work as soon as Trump was inaugurated, and by getting to work, I mean undermining Trump, and serving his paymasters.

So the question is, if we give them their "mandate," do we all go back to sleep or not?

Posted by: BurtTC at July 11, 2020 01:48 PM (hku12)

407 I had a weird dream last night. The Progressives, recognizing that they cannot do humor well, hired a bunch of conservative jokesters to improve their message.

It is our canon that they can't do jokes or memes very well, because anything funny to us is verboten to the PC crowd.

And maybe it is my subconscious playing tricks on me, but I rate the actual chances of this happening as Likely.

We have seen a vast number of 'conservatives' sell their soul for some shortsighted revenue.

Posted by: GnuBreed at July 11, 2020 01:49 PM (Z4rgH)

408 404 Paul Ryan being gone is a good thing and we can only hope that a DJT
landslide would force the GOP to stop being embarrassed by the base.

Posted by: Captain Hate at July 11, 2020 01:47 PM (y7DUB)

Come 2024, They'll say their super conservative, but then will block him every way they can. Not like he can run again for President. And there's one thing you can rely on: Americans in general have a short-term memory, and you can count on the MSM to keep it that way.

Posted by: jim at July 11, 2020 01:50 PM (ynpvh)

409 They're going to look awfully stupid with a plastic bag in one hand and a sucking chest wound in the other.

Posted by: DaveA at July 11, 2020 01:50 PM (FhXTo)

410 They didn't see the harm in supporting the pablum messages of "we're against sexism and racism and whatever other isms you got." And then they figured, if they cowtow to the ism pushers, the rest of us rubes are too conditioned to buy their garbage that we won't stop.

I think Nike's big financial hit showed that we consumers can and will stop buying their products.

GWGB needs to become an thing. An extremely large thing. Like a "if you do this stoopid bullshit of supporting a Marxist group that seeks to destroy our nation, you'll go out of bidness PDQ" thing. It'll be a big pain to do, but if we take away their money, they'll get the message.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Who can fight the beast? Revelation 13:4 at July 11, 2020 01:50 PM (HaL55)

411 Well, I hate to say anything remotely nice about Hollywood types, but Tom Hanks is terrific in his new move "Greyhound". That is a solid flick. Very engaging.
WWII era anti submarine War on the Atlantic convoys.

Posted by: attilla isn't so bad, really at July 11, 2020 01:51 PM (w7KSn)

412 I think it was a combination of remarkable naivete and cynicism.

They didn't see the harm in supporting the pablum messages of "we're against sexism and racism and whatever other isms you got." And then they figured, if they cowtow to the ism pushers, the rest of us rubes are too conditioned to buy their garbage that we won't stop.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 11, 2020 01:44 PM (hku12)

But not they are not just paying lip service.

They are paying Danegeld.

And punishing their own employees, if the speak out against the BLM orthodoxy.

They went from non controversial, to active support, in about 10 minutes.

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 11, 2020 01:51 PM (NgKpN)

413 Posted by: BurtTC at July 11, 2020 01:35 PM (hku12)

I remember being incredulous at the time that the enemedia would go after a To Kill a Mockingbird type prosecution but party above all. In retrospect it was probably the only intelligent political thing GHWB did, and was probably by accident.
Posted by: Captain Hate at July 11, 2020 01:44 PM (y7DUB)

Thomas is of course, an extraordinary man, and I believe credit for his elevation to the court is almost entirely his alone.

So once Poppy Bush got done nominating him, he had nothing to do with successfully fighting off the attempted Borking.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 11, 2020 01:51 PM (hku12)

414 Super glue done, little paint touch up and another one bites the dust.

Posted by: Skip at July 11, 2020 01:52 PM (6f16T)

415 Posted by: BurtTC at July 11, 2020 01:44 PM (hku12)

But not they are not just paying lip service.

They are paying Danegeld.

And punishing their own employees, if the speak out against the BLM orthodoxy.

They went from non controversial, to active support, in about 10 minutes.
Posted by: Romeo13 at July 11, 2020 01:51 PM (NgKpN)

Right, I think that's because this thing spiraled out of their control awfully fast, and they had no idea it would go this far.

They're playing catch-up, possibly destroying so many of these entities beyond repair, but I assume the board rooms are full of simps continuing to say "but let's just ride this out, and see if we can survive this by feeding them more of what they want."

Posted by: BurtTC at July 11, 2020 01:54 PM (hku12)

416 I found out the other day that although GHWB publicly condemned the Chicoms over Tianamen, he privately told them it was just rhetoric and continued supporting them the 90's. Asshole. Too many presidents, both R's and D's, have bent over backwards for those commie bastards, and now we are reaping the whirlwind we sowed.
Posted by: jim at July 11, 2020 01:47 PM (ynpvh)

GHWB did his damn best to undo what Reagan unleashed starting with urging moderation in central and eastern Europe after RR gave them the green light to bring down the iron curtain. Fortunately there was already so much built up inertia that it came down anyway. But he surely produced feelings of WTF.

Posted by: Captain Hate at July 11, 2020 01:54 PM (y7DUB)

417
Paul Ryan being gone is a good thing and we can only hope that a DJT landslide would force the GOP to stop being embarrassed by the base.
Posted by: Captain Hate

We have to make the GOP recognize us. I've written my delegates, congressman and senator and told them bluntly to get behind Trump's leadership of face a challenge at their next election. I even quoted someone from here. 'The tea party was us asking nicely, Trump was a demand. You don't want what's next'.

The asshoe work for us, not the grift and graft.

Posted by: BifBewalski - sinis est culus at July 11, 2020 01:55 PM (VcFUs)

418
And then they figured, if they cowtow to the ism pushers, the rest of us rubes are too conditioned to buy their garbage that we won't stop.
Posted by: BurtTC

And they were right.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 11, 2020 01:57 PM (aKsyK)

419 416 GHWB did his damn best to undo what Reagan unleashed starting with
urging moderation in central and eastern Europe after RR gave them the
green light to bring down the iron curtain. Fortunately there was
already so much built up inertia that it came down anyway. But he
surely produced feelings of WTF.

Posted by: Captain Hate at July 11, 2020 01:54 PM (y7DUB)

Indeed, the credit for the fall of the Iron Curtain all goes to Reagan. Mr. "Voodoo Economics" led us into a Recession, which led is to 8 years of Horny Bill.

Posted by: jim at July 11, 2020 01:57 PM (ynpvh)

420 Posted by: Captain Hate at July 11, 2020 01:44 PM (y7DUB)

I found out the other day that although GHWB publicly condemned the Chicoms over Tianamen, he privately told them it was just rhetoric and continued supporting them the 90's. Asshole. Too many presidents, both R's and D's, have bent over backwards for those commie bastards, and now we are reaping the whirlwind we sowed.
Posted by: jim at July 11, 2020 01:47 PM (ynpvh)

The Kissinger effect remains strong, to this day, among the State Department... and DoD types.

So yeah, the rubes are too dumb to realize what we're doing, and who cares if China gets too big for us to "control," by then we'll all be dead, and will have gotten ours while we were here.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 11, 2020 01:58 PM (hku12)

421 And punishing their own employees, if the speak out against the BLM orthodoxy.

They went from non controversial, to active support, in about 10 minutes.

When I got my email from the Fender Music Corp and their BS support of Burn Loot and Murder Inc., all I saw was, "PLEASEPLEASEPLEASE don't burn our factories down!!! With sugar on top! We'll kiss your ass all you want even though we've always marketed to everyone everywhere and there are prolly just as many black guitar players as white ones.

PLEASE DON'T HURT US!"

The groveling was sad to watch.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Who can fight the beast? Revelation 13:4 at July 11, 2020 01:59 PM (HaL55)

422 420 The Kissinger effect remains strong, to this day, among the State Department... and DoD types.

So yeah, the rubes are too dumb to realize what we're doing, and who
cares if China gets too big for us to "control," by then we'll all be
dead, and will have gotten ours while we were here.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 11, 2020 01:58 PM (hku12)
How very Keynesian.

Posted by: jim at July 11, 2020 02:00 PM (ynpvh)

423 I went through the peak of cvd without a mask. Primary Abbott.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at July 11, 2020 02:00 PM (uwJz/)

424 Just got back from Trump boat parade. It was awesome. Started with couple hundred boats. Ended with closer to 600.

Favorite flag I saw was "Trrump 2020, Fuck your feelings".

Today restored my faith. It was sight to behold. Brought tears to my eyes.

Posted by: olddog in mo, on the dumb phone at July 11, 2020 02:00 PM (U/sKK)

425 418
And then they figured, if they cowtow to the ism pushers, the rest of us rubes are too conditioned to buy their garbage that we won't stop.
Posted by: BurtTC

And they were right.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 11, 2020 01:57 PM (aKsyK)

And with the Lockdown, and riots? What will be the end game?

Large corporations will mostly survive. Banks will own them. Mom and Pop shops will be gone.

Its like the Bank Consolidation stuff that happened after the 'financial crises' of 2008.

This is a business consolidation.

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 11, 2020 02:00 PM (NgKpN)

426 We have to make the GOP recognize us. I've written my delegates, congressman and senator and told them bluntly to get behind Trump's leadership of face a challenge at their next election. I even quoted someone from here. 'The tea party was us asking nicely, Trump was a demand. You don't want what's next'.

The asshoe work for us, not the grift and graft.
Posted by: BifBewalski - sinis est culus at July 11, 2020 01:55 PM (VcFUs)

This past week I contacted the state GOP for the first time to vent my frustration with DeWine and the party in general. To their credit they got back to me promptly so I didn't think it was a total waste of time. If I was to guess, I'm thinking they keep track of things like that in a happy/not happy breakdown, at least the raw numbers.

Posted by: Captain Hate at July 11, 2020 02:02 PM (y7DUB)

427 OK, B'Gal's up again. BBL

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Who can fight the beast? Revelation 13:4 at July 11, 2020 02:02 PM (HaL55)

428 Paul Ryan didn't go anywhere, he's just out of office. He is still there in the DC swamp, doing his never trumpet thing.

Posted by: attilla isn't so bad, really at July 11, 2020 02:03 PM (w7KSn)

429 428 Paul Ryan didn't go anywhere, he's just out of office. He is still there in the DC swamp, doing his never trumpet thing.
Posted by: attilla isn't so bad, really at July 11, 2020 02:03 PM (w7KSn)

Fox News Board of Directors, go figure.

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 11, 2020 02:04 PM (NgKpN)

430 We have to make the GOP recognize us. I've written my delegates, congressman and senator and told them bluntly to get behind Trump's leadership of face a challenge at their next election. I even quoted someone from here. 'The tea party was us asking nicely, Trump was a demand. You don't want what's next'.

The asshoe work for us, not the grift and graft.
Posted by: BifBewalski - sinis est culus at July 11, 2020 01:55 PM (VcFUs)

We defeated a... what, 5 term congresscritter here? Replaced his Gopey arse with a hot gun toting lady who is unabashedly pro-Trump.

Now, I haven't live here long enough to know for sure, but I think it's highly unlikely the Dem challenger will beat her in November.

I guess my point is, I expect a lot of backbencher types to come forth, if the landslide occurs, and they're going to have to more or less overthrow the Gopes who continue to occupy leadership positions in both houses. Or at LEAST put pressure on them, one way or another.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 11, 2020 02:04 PM (hku12)

431 Sadly, Bertram is correct. But that's not to condemn people in general - how in the F does one, in 2020, even begin to "boycott" businesses that have made loathsome statements, done loathsome indefensible things like openly support and give $$ to vile racist hate groups like BLM?

We have a much much more oligopolistic market structure than even 20 years ago, in most things that most people consume.

How much effort, and extra $$, would it take to cut out even a few of the basic brands that dominate? Sometimes, it's not even feasible.

Contrast with Target, and their ridiculous bathroom policy debacle a few years back. They suffered - I don't think they ever backed off, though, because there's a lot more "commitment" to idiotic hateful nonsense that most people here seem to want to believe, vs. just "cynicism" or pragmatism.

Today - it's like 150 Targets simultaneously. How is one to live while excluding all the tainted products and services? One isn't. And of course most people don't have the time or inclination to even try.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 11, 2020 02:04 PM (El6T/)

432 -------------------------------------------
Absolutely.
The capitulation of major sectors of our ruling class --- corporations, sports, etc. --- to radical ideology is new.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at July 11, 2020 01:16 PM (M/9m0)

if only we had some historical reference points of what this might lead to.....hmmmm

Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at July 11, 2020 01:20 PM (oAY8z)
------------------

Union demanded FoMoCo support BLM
FoMoCo said, pound sand.

Posted by: Braenyard at July 11, 2020 02:05 PM (jy41H)

433 Mossad seems to be adept at pinpoint strikes. Last one I saw pics of went dead square through the roof of a car and a couple of terrorists.

That right there is some pretty good shootin', parder.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Who can fight the beast? Revelation 13:4 at July 11, 2020 01:44 PM (HaL55)

Yep. That's fine for onesie twosie, but not so useful for Fallujah, or the VC.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 11, 2020 02:07 PM (PY3qk)

434 Hmmm, so Police had a search warrant for the House of the Couple who LEGALLY defended their property, and seized the AR in question for some reason.

Then publicized that fact that he is now disarmed.

Rights. Gone.

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 11, 2020 02:07 PM (NgKpN)

435 429 428 Paul Ryan didn't go anywhere, he's just out of office. He is still there in the DC swamp, doing his never trumpet thing.
Posted by: attilla isn't so bad, really at July 11, 2020 02:03 PM (w7KSn)

Fox News Board of Directors, go figure.
Posted by: Romeo13

Doe that POS still have an SS security detail?

Posted by: BifBewalski - sinis est culus at July 11, 2020 02:07 PM (VcFUs)

436 Posted by: BurtTC at July 11, 2020 01:58 PM (hku12)
How very Keynesian.
Posted by: jim at July 11, 2020 02:00 PM (ynpvh)

Yeah, I'm no Kissinger scholar, but I think that's pretty much it. The geopolitical equivalent of Keynesian theory.

I'm not Keynes expert either, so maybe that was part of his worldview as well. I don't know.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 11, 2020 02:07 PM (hku12)

437 Contrast with Target, and their ridiculous bathroom policy debacle a few years back. They suffered - I don't think they ever backed off, though, because there's a lot more "commitment" to idiotic hateful nonsense that most people here seem to want to believe, vs. just "cynicism" or pragmatism.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 11, 2020 02:04 PM (El6T/)

Consider Target has its HQ in Minneapolis (IIRC), and was one of the first stores to be looted and burned.

You've got to laugh.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 11, 2020 02:09 PM (PY3qk)

438 I guess my point is, I expect a lot of backbencher types to come forth, if the landslide occurs, and they're going to have to more or less overthrow the Gopes who continue to occupy leadership positions in both houses. Or at LEAST put pressure on them, one way or another.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 11, 2020 02:04 PM (hku12)

I like your scenario and i agree with it.
Also, if Trump get's re-elected, the GOPe HAS to reckon with him--they can longer pretend that a media-driven hoax is going to take him out.
And Trump will inspire other candidates to run as "Trumpists."

Posted by: JoeF. at July 11, 2020 02:11 PM (gtdYu)

439 Hmmm, so Police had a search warrant for the House of the Couple who LEGALLY defended their property, and seized the AR in question for some reason.

Then publicized that fact that he is now disarmed.

Rights. Gone.
Posted by: Romeo13 at July 11, 2020 02:07 PM (NgKpN)

Look at a photo of the DA and all will become clear.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 11, 2020 02:11 PM (PY3qk)

440 Today - it's like 150 Targets simultaneously. How is one to live while excluding all the tainted products and services? One isn't. And of course most people don't have the time or inclination to even try.
Posted by: rhomboid at July 11, 2020 02:04 PM (El6T/)

I wish I could say we haven't been to Target since all that started... but we have. It's damn near impossible to NOT go there, when it's things we "need."

Same with Amazon. I can go running around to five different OTHER type stores, even mom and pop shops, to find something, and chances are good we won't find it.

Or I can spend a minute and a half on Amazon.

I just don't have the time. I hate to admit it, but there it is.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 11, 2020 02:12 PM (hku12)

441 >>Just got back from Trump boat parade. It was awesome. Started with couple hundred boats. Ended with closer to 600.

>>Favorite flag I saw was "Trrump 2020, Fuck your feelings".

>>Today restored my faith. It was sight to behold. Brought tears to my eyes.

There was a boat parade on a big lake down in South Carolina over the 4th. The organizers hoped to get a couple hundred boats, they got around 3400 boats and 30,000 people from as far away as WI and PA. Biden can't fill a high school gym.

Polls don't measure this stuff and they don't measure voter intensity.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 11, 2020 02:12 PM (ZLI7S)

442 Union demanded FoMoCo support BLM
FoMoCo said, pound sand.

Posted by: Braenyard at July 11, 2020 02:05 PM (jy41H)

Maybe this will be the first crack in the wall.
Maybe not.

Posted by: JoeF. at July 11, 2020 02:13 PM (gtdYu)

443 434 Hmmm, so Police had a search warrant for the House of the Couple who LEGALLY defended their property, and seized the AR in question for some reason.

Then publicized that fact that he is now disarmed.

Rights. Gone.
Posted by: Romeo13

Very carefully not talking about the person that signed that warrant.

But the people that asked for it, the ones that executed it, and the ones that publicized the now defanged home...they need somewhere to sleep at night. Be shame if something happened to their place while they were asleep.

This is how we combat that shit. Bring it home to the flunkies and make it very personal.

Posted by: BifBewalski - sinis est culus at July 11, 2020 02:13 PM (VcFUs)

444 Paul Ryan was such a brazen tool of the Gas Chamber. Not only did he effectively keep Gaylordcare from being shitcanned but rubber stamped an ethics investigation of Devin Nunes.

Posted by: Captain Hate at July 11, 2020 02:13 PM (y7DUB)

445 Posted by: BurtTC at July 11, 2020 02:04 PM (hku12)

I like your scenario and i agree with it.
Also, if Trump get's re-elected, the GOPe HAS to reckon with him--they can longer pretend that a media-driven hoax is going to take him out.
And Trump will inspire other candidates to run as "Trumpists."
Posted by: JoeF. at July 11, 2020 02:11 PM (gtdYu)

I know hope is a silly word to some. But that's where I am. I hope.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 11, 2020 02:13 PM (hku12)

446 I whine here constantly that this WH has made zero effort to reshape a party that remains its biggest obstacle to success. Without getting into a taffy yank about all the details, bottom line is, Trump will need spectacular good luck to get a Congress that might help him accomplish serious - and "sustainable", as in written in law - good things.

Apart from Flake and Corker, unaware of any GOP/GOPe figures at congressional level who have been opposed by PDT or his WH. There have been robotic, automatic endorsements of pretty useless snakes like Tillis, and of hopeless mediocrities like McSally. There have been, so far, only a handful of incumbent GOP defeats in House primaries - against Trump endorsements.

The 60-vote problem in the Senate would likely remain, but that's just another way of saying that politics is dead. Because there no longer is any effort (at least by a McConnell-led Senate GOP) to properly politicize actual big issues and make Dem incumbents walk the plank (the main method of trying grow one's share in the Senate for generations, until about 10 years ago).

When was the last "big" vote in the Senate? Even at committee level? On any of Trump's priority items? Don't try too hard, there's nothing you're not remembering - not for years.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 11, 2020 02:14 PM (El6T/)

447 Paul Ryan was such a brazen tool of the Gas Chamber. Not only did he effectively keep Gaylordcare from being shitcanned but rubber stamped an ethics investigation of Devin Nunes.
Posted by: Captain Hate at July 11, 2020 02:13 PM (y7DUB)

In some ways it's such a small world. I fully expect Ryan's name is on the Lolita Express to Epstein Island manifests.

Or the equivalent thereof, for those who are into boys instead of girls.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 11, 2020 02:15 PM (hku12)

448
Union demanded FoMoCo support BLM
FoMoCo said, pound sand.

Posted by: Braenyard

For now...

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 11, 2020 02:16 PM (aKsyK)

449 Posted by: rhomboid at July 11, 2020 02:14 PM (El6T/)

the 60 vote crap in the Senate is because they changed the rule in 1977, so that while a filibuster was in progress, other Senate business could move forward.

It took the filibuster from a seldom used Nuc option, to a standard everyday tactic.

A simple majority could change that rule back.

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 11, 2020 02:18 PM (NgKpN)

450 I'll be in Portland for a wedding on 01 Aug. I'll have a few hours to kill before fleeing for the sunny south. Anything I should see? Cool graffiti? Rivers running with blood? Toppled elk?

Posted by: Asscheeks of Saturn at July 11, 2020 02:18 PM (Jj+59)

451 It is scary how much economic power has concentrated and centralized in the last few decades.
Well, not just economic, but also cultural power.
Our media, for example, is run by a tiny handful of yuuuuge corporations.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at July 11, 2020 02:18 PM (M/9m0)

452 Today - it's like 150 Targets simultaneously. How is one to live while excluding all the tainted products and services? One isn't. And of course most people don't have the time or inclination to even try.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 11, 2020 02:04 PM (El6T/)

One may start with Target, P&G, and Amazon.
I'd like a reference list.

Of my top three Target and P&G are total. If I shop Amazon I always check for alternatives first.

Posted by: Braenyard at July 11, 2020 02:19 PM (jy41H)

453 444 Paul Ryan was such a brazen tool of the Gas Chamber. Not only did he effectively keep Gaylordcare from being shitcanned but rubber stamped an ethics investigation of Devin Nunes.
Posted by: Captain Hate at July 11, 2020 02:13 PM (y7DUB)

And the ONLY place he could find to save the Federal Government any money?

Military retirements.

/spit

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 11, 2020 02:20 PM (NgKpN)

454 The 60-vote problem in the Senate would likely remain, but that's just another way of saying that politics is dead. Because there no longer is any effort (at least by a McConnell-led Senate GOP) to properly politicize actual big issues and make Dem incumbents walk the plank (the main method of trying grow one's share in the Senate for generations, until about 10 years ago).

When was the last "big" vote in the Senate? Even at committee level? On any of Trump's priority items? Don't try too hard, there's nothing you're not remembering - not for years.
Posted by: rhomboid at July 11, 2020 02:14 PM (El6T/)

You're right, of course.

It's frustrating to admit it, but the cliche is true, we're not going to vote our way out of this.

But it's a start.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 11, 2020 02:21 PM (hku12)

455 what's this rumor about Wayfair and child trafficking?

Posted by: vmom 2020 at July 11, 2020 02:21 PM (TOyHQ)

456 Cause and effect have no impact on a fanatic. its just because they never believed enough is why it all failed. So they will continue clapping for Tinker Bell to live.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 11, 2020 02:22 PM (IFG8u)

457 I was trying to be helpful!

Posted by: karen at July 11, 2020 02:22 PM (TZi47)

458 451 It is scary how much economic power has concentrated and centralized in the last few decades.
Well, not just economic, but also cultural power.
Our media, for example, is run by a tiny handful of yuuuuge corporations.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at July 11, 2020 02:18 PM (M/9m0)

That would be an interesting list to compile.

Who runs the Banks. Who runs Media. Who runs the Major Corporations. Who runs big Tech.

And what THEIR connections are, where do THEY intersect.

Because there are huge areas of intersection between Politicians, and Media.

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 11, 2020 02:22 PM (NgKpN)

459 Always expect less from a second term and you won't be disappointed. Lame duck and all. Then they will force Pence on us, he will do one term and then Democommies.

Posted by: Asscheeks of Saturn at July 11, 2020 02:22 PM (Jj+59)

460 60-vote barrier in the Senate for non-privileged items (and SCOTUS nominations) is not the problem, and it won't be "fixed", most likely, since it's one of the main aspects of the Senate that maintains it's constitutional role as the less agile, and action-oriented body, the "saucer" where the heat of political conflict cools. Viewed more narrowly, most of the time senators can visualize being in the minority, and like the prerogatives of the minority or even individual member.

The problem is the lack of politics, and risk. The 60-vote threshold didn't stop tons of important legislation for decades. One just had to get it done, via political pressure, strategery, bribery, etc.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 11, 2020 02:24 PM (El6T/)

461 For now...

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 11, 2020 02:16 PM (aKsyK)

FoMoCo was the last of the Big 3 to give in to Roosevelt and then it was at gunpoint.

Posted by: Braenyard at July 11, 2020 02:24 PM (jy41H)

462 what's this rumor about Wayfair and child trafficking?
Posted by: vmom 2020 at July 11, 2020 02:21 PM (TOyHQ)

Never heard of it, but when you type the words into a search engine, there are dozens of media responses telling us it's absurdly untrue.

Which... kinda makes me wonder if there might be some truth to it.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 11, 2020 02:25 PM (hku12)

463
455 what's this rumor about Wayfair and child trafficking?
Posted by: vmom 2020 at July 11, 2020 02:21 PM (TOyHQ)

This is what I got.
https://tinyurl.com/y7mvtedc

Posted by: BifBewalski - sinis est culus at July 11, 2020 02:26 PM (VcFUs)

464
Of my top three Target and P&G are total. If I shop Amazon I always check for alternatives first.
Posted by: Braenyard at July 11, 2020 02:19

I probably haven't been to target for over a decade. I use the kids amazon acct. I usually search for things I want, then see who manufactures it and try to order direct from them.

Posted by: Infidel at July 11, 2020 02:27 PM (Tt+tJ)

465 So you order a sofa from Wayfair and a child is included free?

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 11, 2020 02:27 PM (IFG8u)

466 Posted by: rhomboid at July 11, 2020 02:24 PM (El6T/)

McConnel could fix it by going back to the historical rule.

He won't because he LIKES having an excuse, for doing nothing.

It was like the stupid impeachment crap. Could have been stopped on day 1, instead they made us wade through the mud.

You remember, the impeachment trial that we were all paying attention too, while Covid was starting to spread?

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 11, 2020 02:28 PM (NgKpN)

467 So you order a sofa from Wayfair and a child is included free?
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 11, 2020 02:27 PM (IFG8u)

Over-priced cabinets, apparently. Check for air holes, that's usually the tell.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 11, 2020 02:28 PM (hku12)

468 In other news

For the fourth night, Serbian police have been dealing with people protesting how their government has handled the WuHan Flu.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 11, 2020 02:29 PM (IFG8u)

469 Then they will force Pence on us, he will do one term and then Democommies.
Posted by: Asscheeks of Saturn at July 11, 2020 02:22 PM (Jj+59)

I'm not very pleased with Pence for believing a creep like McCabe instead of Flynn. After the Golden Scalpweasel we have to hit them with another alpha not afraid to break things. Like Ric Grenell.

Posted by: Captain Hate at July 11, 2020 02:29 PM (y7DUB)

470 >>Always expect less from a second term and you won't be disappointed. Lame duck and all. Then they will force Pence on us, he will do one term and then Democommies.

Trump is obviously not like most politicians. He's got more energy than any president I can think of and he is never sitting around. I expect just the opposite, a Trump unconcerned by re-election and ready to go bigly.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 11, 2020 02:30 PM (ZLI7S)

471 Air holes?

Luxury!

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 11, 2020 02:30 PM (IFG8u)

472 469 Then they will force Pence on us, he will do one term and then Democommies.
Posted by: Asscheeks of Saturn at July 11, 2020 02:22 PM (Jj+59)

I'm not very pleased with Pence for believing a creep like McCabe instead of Flynn. After the Golden Scalpweasel we have to hit them with another alpha not afraid to break things. Like Ric Grenell.
Posted by: Captain Hate at July 11, 2020 02:29 PM (y7DUB)

More, even with everything now out, I have not heard Pence apologize to Flynn.

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 11, 2020 02:31 PM (NgKpN)

473 468 In other news

For the fourth night, Serbian police have been dealing with people protesting how their government has handled the WuHan Flu.
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 11, 2020 02:29 PM (IFG8u)

Remember Bra Burnings?
Draft Card Burnings?
Flag Burnings?

Soon to come? MASK Burnings.

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 11, 2020 02:32 PM (NgKpN)

474 458---Because there are huge areas of intersection between Politicians and Media.
Posted by: Romeo13 at July 11, 2020 02:22 PM (NgKpN)
------------------------------------
They hang together, they send their kids to the same schools, they intermarry. They are the same class.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at July 11, 2020 02:33 PM (M/9m0)

475 MASK Burnings.

With antifa thug and/or Karen still wearing it?

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 11, 2020 02:33 PM (IFG8u)

476 Air holes?

Luxury!
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 11, 2020 02:30 PM (IFG8u)

I suppose it depends on how far one must ship their child sex slave.

Or whether they want them to arrive dead or alive.

Presumably you must specify during checkout, after you've added the cabinet to your online cart.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 11, 2020 02:34 PM (hku12)

477 For the fourth night, Serbian police have been dealing with people protesting how their government has handled the WuHan Flu.
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 11, 2020 02:29 PM (IFG8u)

The enemedia hates the Serbs more than any other nationality except for the Israelis and us. I first noticed that in Bosnia and it's never eased off.

Posted by: Captain Hate at July 11, 2020 02:34 PM (y7DUB)

478 Well everyone in what was Jugoslavia has been hating each other for centuries.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 11, 2020 02:34 PM (IFG8u)

479 Well everyone in what was Jugoslavia has been hating each other for centuries.
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 11, 2020 02:34 PM (IFG8u)

I recall a window of PEACE

Posted by: Josef Broz Tito at July 11, 2020 02:36 PM (gtdYu)

480 I met a Bosnian muslim at a dog park once. She seemed very nice and absolutely hates the UN.

Posted by: Captain Hate at July 11, 2020 02:37 PM (y7DUB)

481 >>The problem is the lack of politics, and risk. The 60-vote threshold didn't stop tons of important legislation for decades. One just had to get it done, via political pressure, strategery, bribery, etc.

I don't think you are crediting the change in atmosphere as much as any perceived lack of political skill. There used to be a lot of horse trading in the Senate. There is none now.

The left has become radicalized at all levels and absolutely refuses to do anything they perceive as a win for Trump. They announced the would #Resist before Trump was even sworn in and their moronic base has rewarded them for it. The country is as dug in as the Senate and every other insistution.

Gone are the days when a Ronald Reagan would sit down with a Tip O'Neil and work through issues. They openly despise each other now and nobody is giving an inch.

When will the fever break? Who knows but it won't be today or tomorrow.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 11, 2020 02:37 PM (ZLI7S)

482 I doubt Mitch could get the 60-vote cloture rule for most legislation changed, would surprise me if a majority favored that. I doubt it would get even 40 votes.

There are many built-in governors in the Senate, including motion to proceed to a matter being debatable, and other things, but the cloture barrier is a big one, and I don't see the body giving that up.

And Mitch doesn't need any "excuses", and doesn't generally give any. There's no WH, press, or engaged electorate driving his caucus to demand any - at all. Politics is dead in many respects, unrecognizable from the prior norm.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 11, 2020 02:38 PM (El6T/)

483 Holy Name Hospital in NJ--once the epicenter of Covid 19 pandemic in the state--discharged it's LAST Covid patient yesterday.

Posted by: JoeF. at July 11, 2020 02:38 PM (gtdYu)

484 450 I'll be in Portland for a wedding on 01 Aug. I'll have a few hours to kill before fleeing for the sunny south. Anything I should see? Cool graffiti? Rivers running with blood? Toppled elk?
Posted by: Asscheeks of Saturn at July 11, 2020 02:18 PM (Jj+59)

come for tire fires stay for the riots

Posted by: harley at July 11, 2020 02:39 PM (2EU+/)

485 The left has become radicalized at all levels and absolutely refuses to do anything they perceive as a win for Trump.

THIS

Posted by: JoeF. at July 11, 2020 02:40 PM (gtdYu)

486 the 60 vote crap in the Senate is because they
changed the rule in 1977, so that while a filibuster was in progress,
other Senate business could move forward.

It took the filibuster from a seldom used Nuc option, to a standard everyday tactic.

A simple majority could change that rule back.

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 11, 2020 02:18 PM (NgKpN)

In fact, a simple majority can scrap the rule altogether. The Rs should have done this long ago since the Ds have said they will if and when they regain power.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at July 11, 2020 02:40 PM (nAiE/)

487 Posted by: rhomboid at July 11, 2020 02:38 PM (El6T/)

Senate rules only need a simple majority.

They don't need cloture at all.

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 11, 2020 02:40 PM (NgKpN)

488 When will the fever break? Who knows but it won't be today or tomorrow.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 11, 2020 02:37 PM (ZLI7S)

The donks need an Anwar Sadat type, and he eventually was assassinated.

Posted by: Captain Hate at July 11, 2020 02:42 PM (y7DUB)

489 Great news!

@realDonaldTrump has DENIED Minnesota's disaster request to repair half a billion dollars in damage from the riots. Governors and Mayors who ordered police to stand down and watch their cities burn shouldn't get a penny in taxpayer aid

Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at July 11, 2020 02:44 PM (1Dmt5)

490 59 By "abandoning safety", I think it refers to *psychological / emotional* safety, not physical safetly.

The objective is to tear down the person's inner defenses, call it ego, call if self-respect or personal integrity. that's their target for destruction. It leaves the person wide open.
Posted by: Hands at July 11, 2020 11:44 AM (786Ro)

You need to think again.

Posted by: Sooner - White Blue-eyed Debil at July 11, 2020 02:45 PM (Fs5vw)

491 Holy Name Hospital in NJ--once the epicenter of Covid 19 pandemic in the state--discharged it's LAST Covid patient yesterday.

Posted by: JoeF. at July 11, 2020 02:38 PM (gtdYu)

But but but spiking numbers!!!1!!1

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 11, 2020 02:45 PM (yISI5)

492 hen will the fever break? Who knows but it won't be today or tomorrow.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 11, 2020 02:37 PM (ZLI7S)

The donks need an Anwar Sadat type, and he eventually was assassinated.
Posted by: Captain Hate at July 11, 2020 02:42 PM (y7DUB)

We need a prominent Democrat to break ranks and call out the Far Left of the party and that won't happen because they are so disciplined.

Maybe IF Trump wins in a landslide.

Posted by: JoeF. at July 11, 2020 02:46 PM (gtdYu)

493 @realDonaldTrump has DENIED Minnesota's disaster
request to repair half a billion dollars in damage from the riots.
Governors and Mayors who ordered police to stand down and watch their
cities burn shouldn't get a penny in taxpayer aid

Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at July 11, 2020 02:44 PM (1Dmt5)

Outstanding!

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 11, 2020 02:46 PM (yISI5)

494 469 Then they will force Pence on us, he will do one term and then Democommies.
Posted by: Asscheeks of Saturn at July 11, 2020 02:22 PM (Jj+59)
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They can't really force him on us.
In any case, he's highly unlikely to win a general election.

So at best we have 4 more speed-bump years.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at July 11, 2020 02:46 PM (M/9m0)

495 realDonaldTrump has DENIED Minnesota's disaster
request to repair half a billion dollars in damage from the riots.
Governors and Mayors who ordered police to stand down and watch their
cities burn shouldn't get a penny in taxpayer aid

Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at July 11, 2020 02:44 PM (1Dmt5)

Outstanding!
Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 11, 2020 02:46 PM (yISI5)

Ok, I need an astute instant analysis

Does this increase Trump's chances of carrying the state? Or not?

Posted by: JoeF. at July 11, 2020 02:48 PM (gtdYu)

496 hen they will force Pence on us, he will do one term and then Democommies.
Posted by: Asscheeks of Saturn at July 11, 2020 02:22 PM (Jj+59)
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They can't really force him on us.
In any case, he's highly unlikely to win a general election.

So at best we have 4 more speed-bump years.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at July 11, 2020 02:46 PM (M/9m0)

Pence is a dullard. Good guy, but he'll never be elected president

Posted by: JoeF. at July 11, 2020 02:49 PM (gtdYu)

497 489 Great news!

@realDonaldTrump has DENIED Minnesota's disaster request to repair half a billion dollars in damage from the riots. Governors and Mayors who ordered police to stand down and watch their cities burn shouldn't get a penny in taxpayer aid
Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at July 11, 2020 02:44 PM (1Dmt5)

This is a mistake and will cost Trump Minnesota!

Posted by: D French at July 11, 2020 02:50 PM (Ojki1)

498 Outstanding!
Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 11, 2020 02:46 PM (yISI5)

Ok, I need an astute instant analysis

Does this increase Trump's chances of carrying the state? Or not?
Posted by: JoeF. at July 11, 2020 02:48 PM (gtdYu)

Trump's chance? Maybe, maybe not.

But it places the blame squarely on the shoulders of local Government, and the inhabitants of THOSE cities might just wake up.

We tend to think the areas are locked in Politically, but they can change pretty quickly.

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 11, 2020 02:51 PM (NgKpN)

499 494 469 Then they will force Pence on us, he will do one term and then Democommies.
Posted by: Asscheeks of Saturn at July 11, 2020 02:22 PM (Jj+59)
-------------------------------
They can't really force him on us.
In any case, he's highly unlikely to win a general election.

So at best we have 4 more speed-bump years.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at July 11, 2020 02:46 PM (M/9m0)

The party knows best! Listen to the party!

-please clap-

Posted by: Yeb! at July 11, 2020 02:52 PM (Ojki1)

500 489 @realDonaldTrump has DENIED Minnesota's disaster request to repair half a billion dollars in damage from the riots. Governors and Mayors who ordered police to stand down and watch their cities burn shouldn't get a penny in taxpayer aid

Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at July 11, 2020 02:44 PM (1Dmt5)/i]

Yeah, well, we'll see.

Posted by: Judge Humuhumunukunukuapua'a at July 11, 2020 02:52 PM (DTX3h)

501 I like our bench a hell of a lot more than what the left is producing. Their primary this year looked like the Star Wars bar scene.

DeSantis is doing a great job in Florida, if he keeps it up he will be a strong candidate to follow Trump Pompeo is solid and smart as hell. A number of potential strong candidates out there.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 11, 2020 02:52 PM (ZLI7S)

502 close!

Posted by: Judge Humuhumunukunukuapua'a at July 11, 2020 02:52 PM (DTX3h)

503 We need a prominent Democrat to break ranks and call out the Far Left of the party and that won't happen because they are so disciplined.

Maybe IF Trump wins in a landslide.
Posted by: JoeF. at July 11, 2020 02:46 PM (gtdYu)

There just aren't that many statesmen left, and the Democrats have effectively killed off any in their party.

Used to be a few... they're all gone now.

Most pols in both parties are led around by poll numbers and/or perceived winds, but the single most influential thing for them is what they hear in the media, because the media gets their marching orders from the same people who pay to keep these chuckleheads in office.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 11, 2020 02:53 PM (hku12)

504 Ok, I need an astute instant analysis

Does this increase Trump's chances of carrying the state? Or not?
Posted by: JoeF. at July 11, 2020 02:48 PM (gtdYu)

From the county map in 2016...maybe.

Posted by: BifBewalski - sinis est culus at July 11, 2020 02:54 PM (VcFUs)

505 I understand the Senate rules on rule changes, that they require a majority, not 60. So, some confusion, I'll assume I commented with insufficient precision.

And I'd be surprised if even today's incredibly degraded Senate Dem caucus would support ending a high cloture threshold for all matters, very surprised. Reid's impetuous move on judicial nominations was a disaster for them. The current minority I would not expect to be anxious to surrender one of the main institutional powers they have. And while obviously no band of all-stars, the GOP caucus is far from complacent about being in the majority, and many of them have direct experience of the benefits of Senate rules empowering individual senators and the minority.

We're unlikely to find out, which I will take as confirmation that it's a non-starter.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 11, 2020 02:56 PM (El6T/)

506 496---Pence is a dullard. Good guy, but he'll never be elected president
Posted by: JoeF. at July 11, 2020 02:49 PM (gtdYu)
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Agreed. In any case, he lacks sufficient backbone to deal with the Left.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at July 11, 2020 02:58 PM (M/9m0)

507 Posted by: JoeF. at July 11, 2020 02:48 PM (gtdYu)

Trump's chance? Maybe, maybe not.

But it places the blame squarely on the shoulders of local Government, and the inhabitants of THOSE cities might just wake up.

We tend to think the areas are locked in Politically, but they can change pretty quickly.
Posted by: Romeo13 at July 11, 2020 02:51 PM (NgKpN)

It's fascinating because I think we really have no way of knowing. Several of these states that have trended left recently, and those that have bounced back and forth, I could easily see them making a dramatic shift to the red.

I don't see any of them shifting leftward. Am I missing something? Who knows.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 11, 2020 02:58 PM (hku12)

508 Pence kind of creeps me out.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at July 11, 2020 02:59 PM (ransv)

509 Pence is a dullard. Good guy, but he'll never be elected president
Posted by: JoeF. at July 11, 2020 02:49 PM (gtdYu)
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Agreed. In any case, he lacks sufficient backbone to deal with the Left.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at July 11, 2020 02:58 PM (M/9m0)

Yeah, Pence is similar (but not the same) as Cheney in that regard. He has something the top candidate lacked, but that doesn't mean he's being groomed for the top job.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 11, 2020 03:00 PM (hku12)

510 MMA K9 @mma_k9 3h
Replying to @RealJamesWoods and @GoyaFoods

1/2 green and red pepper diced
1 small yellow onion
1 diced potato
1 garlic clove
2 bacon stripes cut in 4

Cook for 20 min.

Add 1 cup of beef broth & 1 can of any Goya black/red/pink beans.
Add 2 teaspoons Adobe Goya
Goya olives optional
Cook 20 more minutes.

Boom

Posted by: Braenyard at July 11, 2020 03:01 PM (jy41H)

511 Absolutely - denial of MN's disaster request is exactly what we want and need from Trump ("we" being the country).

I thought Trump's chances in MN were excellent already, and still do. Along with NH, one state I was expecting with some confidence would be a pick-up over '16. NV, NM, CO, VA being the rest of the list, in decreasing order of likelihood.

MN Morons to the rescue, but the facts that Trump barely lost MN in '16 (I think it was one state where 3rd/4th party votes plausibly accounted for margin of loss), that there is clearly big Trump inroads into Dem bedrock votes like the Iron Range Democrats, and that Mpls going Full Violent Retard is very likely to boost suburban GOP turnout and GOP votes by indies and some Dems - all make me still think MN is doable.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 11, 2020 03:02 PM (El6T/)

512 PET NOOD

Posted by: Skip, the guy who says NOOD at July 11, 2020 03:02 PM (6f16T)

513 Trump will work to full fill his campaign promises,
enrich the economy, correct inequities in the education system, seat more, more conservative, judges, and in his spare time settle scores.

I expect he will do more than this but the above is a certainty.

I forgot: domesticate NoKo and put Xi in the poor house

Posted by: Braenyard at July 11, 2020 03:07 PM (jy41H)

514 In Parliament in Ottawa, a hilarious and pathetic thing as a member quotes the mask directive from his local public health authority - which cites *public opinion polling" on mask usage, but cites no scientific or medical data or analysis.

It's a long sad way from the beaches of Dieppe to today's Canada, but of course much of the US suffers from the same degradation.

I think the thing about police looking for somebody who laid rubber on the rainbow crosswalk in British California may be the current "winner" in national humiliations, however. Probably Canadian police feeling a bit insecure about being seen as lazy while British police continue to plunge further into orwellian idiocy of arresting and harassing people for their speech.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 11, 2020 03:10 PM (El6T/)

515 Grenell could be our first gay president...

Posted by: lin-duh en fugue at July 11, 2020 03:16 PM (UUBmN)

516 I like Mike but don't think he is Presidential material. Long way to go until 2024.

Posted by: Skip at July 11, 2020 03:16 PM (6f16T)

517 "Grenell could be our first gay president..."

Uh, no

Posted by: Reggie the Body man at July 11, 2020 03:17 PM (w7KSn)

518 The best way to assure a good outcome after Trump is a whole hearted (pocketbook too) support of him and any individual politician who is loyal to Trump.

Fantasizing on who will follow is like predicting the weather.

Posted by: Braenyard at July 11, 2020 03:18 PM (jy41H)

519 "Grenell could be our first gay president..."

Uh, no
Posted by: Reggie the Body man at July 11, 2020 03:17 PM (w7KSn)

( shifts eyes nervously)

Posted by: James Buchanan at July 11, 2020 03:19 PM (gtdYu)

520 https://bit.ly/3j3oRAS
*******
Trump: 'Something Will Be Happening with Venezuela' and America Will 'Be Very Much Involved'

Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at July 11, 2020 03:27 PM (1Dmt5)

521 Yes, they are moving back to segregation. But it's not gonna be separate but equal (which was always a lie). They want separate and unequal, you vile deplorables.

Posted by: butch at July 11, 2020 03:27 PM (hXu8T)

522 521 Yes, they are moving back to segregation. But it's not gonna be separate but equal (which was always a lie). They want separate and unequal, you vile deplorables.
Posted by: butch at July 11, 2020 03:27 PM (hXu8T)

Whatever the left gets it will destroy.

Posted by: CN at July 11, 2020 03:29 PM (ONvIw)

523 I've got my eye on Burgess in Utah. Will be interesting to see if he's like other Republicans and says the right things only before he's elected. If not I like the cut of his jib. Bigly.

Posted by: ... at July 11, 2020 03:30 PM (uEbPt)

524 515 Grenell could be our first gay president...
Posted by: lin-duh en fugue at July 11, 2020 03:16 PM (UUBmN)

...Hi...

Posted by: Eleanor Roosevelt at July 11, 2020 03:32 PM (Ojki1)

525 515 Grenell could be our first gay president...

Posted by: lin-duh en fugue at July 11, 2020 03:16 PM (UUBmN)
----------------------

The third but who's quibbling.

He tough and smart but I'm not sure about the LGBQWERTY. He might take that way too far.

Posted by: Braenyard at July 11, 2020 03:32 PM (jy41H)

526 >>>
*******
Trump: 'Something Will Be Happening with Venezuela' and America Will 'Be Very Much Involved'

Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at July 11, 2020 03:27 PM (1Dmt5)
-------------------------------

Blockade of Russian, Iranian, and Chinese shipping?

Posted by: Braenyard at July 11, 2020 03:34 PM (jy41H)

527 It's gonna be really fucking weird when they demand 150% fealty to their next president in 2028 or whatever.

Posted by: ... at July 11, 2020 03:43 PM (lmYIz)

528 It's gonna be really fucking weird when they demand 150% fealty to their next president in 2028 or whatever.
Posted by: ... at July 11, 2020 03:43 PM (lmYIz)

They'll do it, no problem. They have no shame

Posted by: JoeF. at July 11, 2020 03:46 PM (gtdYu)

529 Objectivity is white supremacy, good to know. So clearly, the "I have a dream speech", whose basis is objectivity, is....

Posted by: Heart of Darkness at July 11, 2020 03:46 PM (VLqkb)

530 Missed the earlier thread Goya-shows how out of touch people like the Castro twins and AOC are, no way Texas Hispanics do without Goya.

Posted by: Heart of Darkness at July 11, 2020 03:48 PM (VLqkb)

531
Does Mitt Romney actually believe any of the crap he is saying? Of course not, if he actually believed anything he said, he would be too terrified of Trump to say anything. Somebody ought to point that out to him, a large brick might be a good teaching aid.

Posted by: An Observation at July 11, 2020 03:49 PM (fxOhk)

532 They'll do it, no problem. They have no shame

Posted by: JoeF. at July 11, 2020 03:46 PM (gtdYu)
Yeah but it's gonna be even weirder than it was with Obama. It's gonna be like living under Kim Jong Un where we have to constantly say he's the best golfer, singer, dancer who ever lived, etc. Anything less and you will be canceled.

Posted by: ... at July 11, 2020 03:51 PM (lmYIz)

533 Yes, they are moving back to segregation.

They were almost as pissed off when we took segregation away from them as they were when we took away their slaves. They'll be wanting those slaves back soon too. Fucking Democrats never change.

Posted by: An Observation at July 11, 2020 03:56 PM (fxOhk)

534 Fucking Utah, get it together. Mitt must believe he can be Joe's Veep- he's already a Democrat,now just to identify as Stacey Abrams

Posted by: Heart of Darkness at July 11, 2020 03:58 PM (VLqkb)

535 Does Mitt Romney actually believe any of the crap he is saying? Of course not, if he actually believed anything he said, he would be too terrified of Trump to say anything. Somebody ought to point that out to him, a large brick might be a good teaching aid.
Posted by: An Observation at July 11, 2020 03:49 PM (fxOhk)

You know what? I DO think Romney believes the crap he is saying. Indeed. That's how far up his own ass he is.
Worse, he thinks everyone else believes it.

Posted by: JoeF. at July 11, 2020 03:59 PM (gtdYu)

536 534 Fucking Utah, get it together. Mitt must believe he can be Joe's Veep- he's already a Democrat,now just to identify as Stacey Abrams
Posted by: Heart of Darkness at July 11, 2020 03:58 PM (VLqkb)

They did pass on Huntsman, so perhaps there is a glimmer of hope.

Posted by: Bete at July 11, 2020 04:07 PM (Ojki1)

537 You know what? I DO think Romney believes the crap he is saying. Indeed. That's how far up his own ass he is.
If he actually believed that Trump was so powerful that he could change things from a system of laws to a system of men, with Trump as Dominant King of the Men, Mitt would be pissing on his feet worrying about when he would be fed to the lions in the coliseum. It is only because he knows that Trump is no such thing that Mitt feels safe to virtue signal to his Democrat Butt Buddies in the press.

Posted by: An Observation at July 11, 2020 04:09 PM (fxOhk)

538 I treat every statement by every public figure as sincere and fully believed by those people. Only possible common sense basis for integrity and communication.

So yes Romney is as dumb, and ignorant, as all the airheads online and in the "press" claiming the commutation was to "protect" Trump. Stone's crime was trivial and self-promoting and if his lies were taken seriously, which would require ignorance of the issues and low intelligence, would be harmful to Trump, not helpful.

If Barr thinks he has a chance of restoring even a bit of the DOJ's integrity and reputation without a thorough investigation and punishment of the wrongdoing of the Mueller operation (of which the Stone prosecution was their 2nd most ridiculous), including its formation and "oversight", he's too far into the Legal Cult bubble to understand the score.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 11, 2020 04:09 PM (El6T/)

539 People need to understand that Mueller made The Departed a reality play - dude is bad juju

Posted by: Heart of Darkness at July 11, 2020 04:14 PM (VLqkb)

540 You know what? I DO think Romney believes the crap he is saying. Indeed. That's how far up his own ass he is.
If he actually believed that Trump was so powerful that he could change things from a system of laws to a system of men, with Trump as Dominant King of the Men, Mitt would be pissing on his feet worrying about when he would be fed to the lions in the coliseum. It is only because he knows that Trump is no such thing that Mitt feels safe to virtue signal to his Democrat Butt Buddies in the press.

Posted by: An Observation at July 11, 2020 04:09 PM (fxOhk)

We actually agree.

Of course Mitt doesn't believe Trump is going to anything to HIM personally.
But yes, Mitt believes his blather in the sense that he really does believe Trump is a threat to democracy or whatever.

It's like Brennan's deranged tweets about Trump. Brennan is so far into the Deep State that he can't see anything else but Deep State views and opinions and thus he REALLY believes that Trump is a danger to "everyone"--because Trump is a danger to the Deep State.

Posted by: JoeF. at July 11, 2020 04:16 PM (gtdYu)

541 Because Ace asked you to, so he can actually earn money on his business here.

Posted by: BurtTC

Jeezus you're a simpering asshole. You are exactly the kind of thought policing dictatorial dick you profess to hate. Maybe the problem is, they just haven't put you in charge of things yet.

Are you a COB? Are you ace? No you are not.

So how's about you not speaking for ace, Ace?

Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at July 11, 2020 04:20 PM (Lw7wn)

542 Fucking Utah, get it together. Mitt must believe he can be Joe's Veep- he's already a Democrat,now just to identify as Stacey Abrams
Posted by: Heart of Darkness at July 11, 2020 03:58 PM (VLqkb)

They did pass on Huntsman, so perhaps there is a glimmer of hope.
Posted by: Bete at July 11, 2020 04:07 PM (Ojki1)

You know what's weird?--and as far as I know--no one has ever asked this-- Trump appointed Huntsman ambassador to RUSSIA, and that's where he was stationed during the majority of the Russia Hoax. Now if a NEVER TRUMPER like Huntsman couldn't find anything --or hear anything--from Russia counterparts, there was nothing there

Posted by: JoeF. at July 11, 2020 04:21 PM (gtdYu)

543 Only possible common sense basis for integrity and communication.

Wait, you assume that Democrat are interested in either integrity or communication? Wow, they have got a bridge they desperately want to sell you.

Posted by: An Observation at July 11, 2020 04:22 PM (fxOhk)

544 Well that escalated ..... slowly.

One of the odd features of this format are commenter-on-commenter disputes that take place over the course of the thread - but unless the exchanges make the issues clear, one has to peruse the entire thread to even know what's going on.

But I still prefer this format, vastly, to those other ones, not even sure what they're called - "threaded" or something.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 11, 2020 04:23 PM (El6T/)

545 You know what's weird?--and as far as I know--no one has ever asked this-- Trump appointed Huntsman ambassador to RUSSIA, and that's where he was stationed during the majority of the Russia Hoax. Now if a NEVER TRUMPER like Huntsman couldn't find anything --or hear anything--from Russia counterparts, there was nothing there
Posted by: JoeF. at July 11, 2020 04:21 PM (gtdYu)

I just wanted to add--if Trump had anything to hide, why would he put a NeverTrumper Romney ally in Russia?

Posted by: JoeF. at July 11, 2020 04:25 PM (gtdYu)

546 An Observation, comments are easily misunderstood, often through a desire to make them brief, as in this case.

My meaning was the complete opposite - that *consumers* of statements can judge them all as completely sincere, and that that is the only basis for the *consumers* to judge integrity and clarity. If the Dems of which you speak were ever held to any, any standard of reality or accuracy or reasonableness by what used to be called the press, they'd change their blather. Consumers of same, if they have a working brain and any understanding of a topic, can/should make their own assessments of capability and integrity, currently without any help from the "press".

Posted by: rhomboid at July 11, 2020 04:27 PM (El6T/)

547 You know what's weird?--and as far as I know--no one has ever asked this-- Trump appointed Huntsman ambassador to RUSSIA, and that's where he was stationed during the majority of the Russia Hoax. Now if a NEVER TRUMPER like Huntsman couldn't find anything --or hear anything--from Russia counterparts, there was nothing there
Posted by: JoeF. at July 11, 2020 04:21 PM (gtdYu)

Huntsman probably did ask around about.
Russians probably openly mocked him too.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at July 11, 2020 04:28 PM (1g7ch)

548 But yes, Mitt believes his blather in the sense that he really does believe Trump is a threat to democracy or whatever.

It's like Brennan's deranged tweets about Trump. Brennan is so far
into the Deep State that he can't see anything else but Deep State views
and opinions and thus he REALLY believes that Trump is a danger to
"everyone"--because Trump is a danger to the Deep State.

So do you believe Lavrentiy Beria thought he was doing good when he strangled those teenage girls who fought against him raping them? How about Ted Bundy? At what point you recognize evil as evil? Or do you figure that Jeffrey Dhamer was just having some friends for dinner?

Posted by: An Observation at July 11, 2020 04:30 PM (fxOhk)

549 eople need to understand that Mueller made The Departed a reality play - dude is bad juju
Posted by: Heart of Darkness at July 11, 2020 04:14 PM (VLqkb)

All I can think of--with laughter-- is how the Left media and twitter bots kept up with the Mueller memes during the entire HOAX, showing him clench-jawed walking with a sense of purpose, brief case in tow,the very profile of a TV lawman

And then......nothing.

Posted by: JoeF. at July 11, 2020 04:32 PM (gtdYu)

550 There never was a stitch of evidence Trump was on Russian side so Trump never had a reason to hide or stop anything looking into it. So why not stick a Never right into the middle of Russia?
I like it., good post JoeF

Posted by: Skip at July 11, 2020 04:32 PM (6f16T)

551 Reminds me of a comment zombie made a while back that basically asserted that the Left is ultimately an outsider's political philosophy unsuited for practical governance.

Posted by: Saber Alter at July 11, 2020 04:33 PM (Je4FJ)

552 Might want to take a listen to Pinker's short description of the "successor ideology" linked near the end of the post. They are on a war footing. Dissent is a threat.

Posted by: KT at July 11, 2020 04:36 PM (BVQ+1)

553 I just wanted to add--if Trump had anything to hide, why would he put a NeverTrumper Romney ally in Russia?
Posted by: JoeF. at July 11, 2020 04:25 PM (gtdYu)

Trump hoped Putin would be pissed at him and poison the ambassador in return?

*sneaky eyes*

Posted by: Bete at July 11, 2020 04:38 PM (Ojki1)

554 am I the only one that hates sinatra ?

Posted by: angsterdamn at July 11, 2020 04:41 PM (uEauf)

555 There never was a stitch of evidence Trump was on Russian side so Trump never had a reason to hide or stop anything looking into it. So why not stick a Never right into the middle of Russia?
I like it., good post JoeF
Posted by: Skip at July 11, 2020 04:32 PM (6f16T)

And yet, no one in the media--so far as I know--ever pointed this fact out as a credit to Trump.

Posted by: JoeF. at July 11, 2020 04:41 PM (gtdYu)

556 Trump hoped Putin would be pissed at him and poison the ambassador in return?

*sneaky eyes*
Posted by: Bete at July 11, 2020 04:38 PM (Ojki1)

Max Boot and Ralph Peters would believe you have a point.

Posted by: JoeF. at July 11, 2020 04:42 PM (gtdYu)

557 Reminds me of a comment zombie made a while back that basically asserted that the Left is ultimately an outsider's political philosophy unsuited for practical governance.
Posted by: Saber Alter at July 11, 2020 04:33 PM (Je4FJ)

Absolutely a good point. And true.

Only one example--Look at DeBlasio in NYC--completely out of his depth, yet so sure of himself and "The Cause."

Posted by: JoeF. at July 11, 2020 04:44 PM (gtdYu)

558 You put Romney under oath, and I'll guarantee he won't say he believes what he said about Trump. All of the people who publicly claimed that they had evidence of Trumps malfeasance in the impeachment case admitted, under oath, that they had no evidence against him at all. THEY KNEW THEY WERE LYING.

Posted by: An Observation at July 11, 2020 04:49 PM (fxOhk)

559 mitt is just doing what he's being paid to do. just doing his job. doesn't matter what the subject matter is. sniping at trump is the job description.

Posted by: angsterdamn at July 11, 2020 04:50 PM (uEauf)

560 Mitt isn't getting paid. He is a bitter-ender. His opportunity to be preswent down in flames years ago, but Trump won when he got the chance. Mitt has been outfoxed by the party and nobody cares what he thinks about any subject. His one chance, his only chance, is for everything to collapse for Republicans, and for some crazy reason, we look to Mitt to right the ship. He doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell. Even if we lost it all, we would never go to him. But there is always hope. I guess.

Posted by: Quint at July 11, 2020 04:57 PM (hHxp2)

561 WILL ORANGE DONDI PROVIDE FREE IVY LEAGUE TUITION TO HIS LOVED DACA PEOPLE?

Posted by: MIRROR UNIVERSE NEIL GORSUCH at July 11, 2020 05:00 PM (Pzzpr)

562 Brennan is worried about Trump, not because he sees him as some threat to entrenched bureaucrats that make up the deep state, but because he is worried about what a threat Trump is to him personally, because of all the crimes Brennan committed as head of the CIA during the Obama years. Neither Brennan nor any other leftist agency head, gives even the briefest of farts about what happens to the entrenched bureaucrats that worked under them.

Posted by: An Observation at July 11, 2020 05:02 PM (fxOhk)

563 Romney is a lying mangash of a plastic piece of festering shit. Romney is in it for Romney, and if his bosses told him to suck off Trump tomorrow in Lafayette Park, he would do it.

Posted by: ... at July 11, 2020 05:19 PM (uEbPt)

564 Ill stab you in the back too.

Im Romney whatever and i approve of this message.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at July 11, 2020 05:26 PM (pB6Gt)

565 Where have you gone, Jeff Spicoli?
Our nation turns its MUMR eyes to you!
Ooo hooo hoooo!

Posted by: andycanuck at July 11, 2020 05:28 PM (TZi47)

566 560 Mitt isn't getting paid. He is a bitter-ender. His opportunity to be preswent down in flames years ago, but Trump won when he got the chance. Mitt has been outfoxed by the party and nobody cares what he thinks about any subject. His one chance, his only chance, is for everything to collapse for Republicans, and for some crazy reason, we look to Mitt to right the ship. He doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell. Even if we lost it all, we would never go to him. But there is always hope. I guess.
Posted by: Quint at July 11, 2020 04:57 PM (hHxp2)

And if the people don't turn to him he is willing to tear it all down out of spite.

See McCain, John

Posted by: Bete at July 11, 2020 05:30 PM (Ojki1)

567 Where have you gone, Jeff Spicoli?
Our nation turns its MUMR eyes to you!
Ooo hooo hoooo!
Posted by: andycanuck at July 11, 2020 05:28 PM (TZi47)

Romney's a DICK!!

Posted by: Jeff Spicoli at July 11, 2020 05:30 PM (gtdYu)

568 Grenell could be our first gay president...

Posted by: lin-duh en fugue at July 11, 2020 03:16 PM (UUBmN)

First, no he wouldn't be cause kids and wife or not, there is no way Gaylord was straight.

Second, he wouldn't win because he is gay.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at July 11, 2020 09:19 PM (nAiE/)

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