Historical Perspective in the Time of Autonomous Zones [KT]

Man, it is hard to keep your perspective when so much is changing every day: statues being toppled, TV shows and movies being pulled from circulation, Autonomous Zones appearing. The Left has been extraordinarily effective in the use of a simple phrase, "Black Lives Matter" (if taken by white people or cops) to agitate for a variety of unrelated changes. Any attempt to add nuance to the meaning of that phrase can send someone off to the gulags. That phrase is repeated incessantly.

Conservative ideas are generally not so easy to put into simple phrases. But before history slips away, perhaps we need to remember the value of repeating messages. And maybe we can remind people that there are historical precedents for much of what is happening today.

Before CHAZ, what was Capitol Hill in Seattle Like?

Gerard Van der Leun has posted a piece on the banality of sedition, written in what is now CHAZ, in 2006:

Capitol Hill is one of those neighborhoods in Seattle that compiles a mainstream lifestyle out of alternatives. Even though it is indeed a hill, it has suspended the normal laws of gravity and everything loose in Seattle rolls up to the top of it. That includes, on this evening, me.
I'm stepping out of your "one-every-block" Seattle espresso slop shop with my machiatto when I notice the odd couple at the table just outside the door. That's not too odd since odd couples, like spiked bright blue hair, are pretty much the norm on Capitol Hill. I notice them at first because the youngest is wearing a Motorhead t-shirt with the mantra "Everything Louder Than Everything Else" on it in that faux German Black gothic font that got old when Auschwitz was in flower, and so had to be made new again back when heavy-metal was a fresh idea.
Glancing over Motorhead's shoulder I note that the man across from him is giving him an ideological lap-dance complete with a whole raft of tracts, papers and books being brought out and waved about and placed, with a muffled thwang, one after the other on the thin black metal of the table: Trotsky's "Marxism and Terrorism," (thwang!); the ever-popular Marx and Engels "Communist Manifesto," (thwang!); Lenin's greatest hit "What Is To Be Done?," (thwang!), Gramsci's "Prison Notebooks," (thunk!), Zinn's "People's History of the United States,"(clunk!).
One by one, they come out of the worn back pack and pile up on the table. All in all, a larger pile of ideological dung would be hard to imagine, and harder to handle even with meat hooks and thick rubber gloves. . . .

Fascinating. You may want to read the whole thing.

CHAZ Now

Christopher F. Rufo, reporting on the West Coast, has a following on Facebook now. He wrote this about CHAZ for City Journal a couple of days ago. It is notable for its calm tone. Suitable for sharing with those who might not agree with your thinking about this event. Activists claim first territory in Seattle.

A couple of days later, he posted this:

Maybe Black People Can Say Some Things Better

Via Instapundit, Roger L. Simon describes some of the current madness and sees some hopeful signs of the emergence of a "new silent majority", more sophisticated than the last one, with black conservatives leading the pack.

These are the real thought leaders, folks whose courage has also "popped up" and are providing examples for those hidden in their foxholes to come out and speak up.
Among those to come to the fore in recent days are the Hodge Twins, two talented African American brothers with an antic sense of humor and the smarts to back it up. They have produced some clever videos, based on actual research, to dispel the myth that most cops are racist. Indeed, they show when it comes to those rare dirty cops, whites are just as much at risk as blacks.

Ace put up some videos by the Hodge Twins recently. Worth reviewing. Back to Roger:

Not surprisingly, black conservatives lead the pack in this emerging silent majority, none more importantly than Shelby Steele, whose aptly-titled classic White Guilt does more to explain that madness around us than any work in recent memory
Steele is suddenly "popping up" all over television. We are listening.

I don't watch TV much. Have you seen him? For sharing with friends who are not too far gone over to the dark side, and who are fairly serious about ideas, I still like Steele's submission for the 1776 Initiative. Excerpts posted May 30. I have shut down one "whitesplaining" complaint with it so far.

Back to Roger:

The redoubtable Thomas Sowell also is an inspiration. He tweeted this morsel of clarity yesterday: "Have we reached the ultimate stage of absurdity where some people are held responsible for things that happened before they were born, while other people are not held responsible for what they themselves are doing today?"

See the sidebar.

This little clip from a longer interview gets to me because of Sowell's descriptions of Harlem when it was safer than it is now, and his statistics about a time when black students did better in certain school systems than they do today. Worth remembering.

And here is his written argument against Kristof's piece, mentioned in the video above. A Legacy of Liberalism. Not a pretty legacy. Do your friends need to see this as BLM is agitating for more social programs?

I am not sure that blacks have to be entirely conservative to be effective. It helps if they are not leftists and if they will talk to conservatives and libertarians. Here, John McWhorter, who works in the Belly of the Beast, talks about how anti-racism, as currently configured, hurts black people. A white person could not say something like this. Starts out talking about police killings involving blacks and whites. At about 5:50, anti-racism as a religion.

Share away.

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1 Made it Ma1 Top of the world!

Posted by: Old Dude at June 13, 2020 11:22 AM (LGXGf)

2 Giving the devil his due, I'll say one thing about Marcuse and his ilk: they never take their eyes off the prize. Just keep chipping away.

Posted by: Old Dude at June 13, 2020 11:25 AM (LGXGf)

3 The redoubtable Thomas Sowell also is an inspiration. He tweeted this morsel of clarity yesterday: "Have we reached the ultimate stage of absurdity where some people are held responsible for things that happened before they were born, while other people are not held responsible for what they themselves are doing today?"

It's brilliant but will never see the light of day in the MFM or anywhere else because the left is too busy fawning over cretins like Charlemagne the Clod

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 13, 2020 11:25 AM (gGnzC)

4 I skimmed the content.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 13, 2020 11:25 AM (wPVhA)

5 Is PDT going to salute every graduating cadet? Awesome.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt - mask free at June 13, 2020 11:26 AM (ufFY8)

6 Hiya

Posted by: JT at June 13, 2020 11:27 AM (arJlL)

7 5 Is PDT going to salute every graduating cadet? Awesome.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt - mask free at June 13, 2020 11:26 AM (ufFY

There are over 1000. Maybe just the top of the class?

Posted by: m at June 13, 2020 11:27 AM (Ij+4T)

8 This is the Thread before the Gardening Thread.

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Now we have blog navigational aids?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 13, 2020 11:27 AM (wPVhA)

9 Let's establish a Horde Autonomous Zone, and then declare war on all the other autonomous zones and beat their asses and take their shit.

Posted by: Jordan61 at June 13, 2020 11:27 AM (qrX0b)

10 Two at a time now. So only 500 or so salutes.
I don't recall the Grifter-in-Chief doing this.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at June 13, 2020 11:28 AM (ufFY8)

11 White people patronizing black people has been toxic to black people since the War on Poverty.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 13, 2020 11:28 AM (wPVhA)

12 9 Let's establish a Horde Autonomous Zone, and then declare war on all the other autonomous zones and beat their asses and take their shit.
Posted by: Jordan61 at June 13, 2020 11:27 AM (qrX0b)

I'm so turned on right now...

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at June 13, 2020 11:28 AM (NWiLs)

13 Now they're going two at a time.

Posted by: m at June 13, 2020 11:29 AM (Ij+4T)

14 Two at a time now. So only 500 or so salutes.
I don't recall the Grifter-in-Chief doing this.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt

He was holding Mooch's shlong.......

Posted by: JT at June 13, 2020 11:29 AM (arJlL)

15 This is the Thread before the Gardening Thread.

Hiya KT !

Posted by: JT at June 13, 2020 11:30 AM (arJlL)

16 They're all so sharp-looking.

Posted by: m at June 13, 2020 11:30 AM (Ij+4T)

17 New Hordistan: Beating Peoples' Asses and Taking Peoples' Shit Since 2020

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 13, 2020 11:30 AM (wPVhA)

18 'Murca.

Posted by: m at June 13, 2020 11:31 AM (Ij+4T)

19 Hiya, JT

Posted by: KT at June 13, 2020 11:31 AM (BVQ+1)

20 I'm so turned on right now...
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at June 13, 2020 11:28 AM (NWiLs)

That's just morning wood.

Posted by: Jordan61 at June 13, 2020 11:32 AM (qrX0b)

21 13 Now they're going two at a time.
Posted by: m at June 13, 2020 11:29 AM (Ij+4T)

"Things David French's wife has said to him."

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at June 13, 2020 11:32 AM (NWiLs)

22 17 New Hordistan: Beating Peoples' Asses and Taking Peoples' Shit Since 2020
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 13, 2020 11:30 AM (wPVhA)

YES!!

Posted by: Jordan61 at June 13, 2020 11:32 AM (qrX0b)

23 Bonk bonk on the head

Posted by: Dr. Varno at June 13, 2020 11:32 AM (vuisn)

24 Gerard Van der Leun is an underappreciated treasure.

Posted by: creeper at June 13, 2020 11:32 AM (XxJt1)

25 The proper of the organization is Black Lives Matter When They Are Killed By Cops Or White People But Not When Killed By Other Black People Or Planned Parenthood. BLMWTACORWPBULNWKBOBPOPP

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at June 13, 2020 11:32 AM (Uu+Jp)

26 Let's establish a Horde Autonomous Zone, and then
declare war on all the other autonomous zones and beat their asses and
take their shit.

Posted by: Jordan61 at June 13, 2020 11:27 AM (qrX0b)

(looks at Chazistan) umm....Let's see soy, weed....

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 13, 2020 11:32 AM (gGnzC)

27 Seems like a lot of women graduating.
Does anyone know the percentage?

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at June 13, 2020 11:33 AM (ufFY8)

28 >>>Before CHAZ, what was Capitol Hill in Seattle Like?

Gerard Van der Leun has posted a piece on the banality of sedition, written in what is now CHAZ, in 2006

How wonderful! Thank you, KT!

Posted by: m at June 13, 2020 11:33 AM (Ij+4T)

29 Since this is a smart military blog. Q for a Service Academy grad: as I recall, all 3 graduated at or about the same time and all had the same date of rank as a 2LT/Ensign. This year they are spread out...Air Force was about a month or more ago. How are they doing the date of rank this year I wonder.

Posted by: dingbat at June 13, 2020 11:34 AM (PMMrm)

30 Nobody taking a knee at the West Point graduation!

Posted by: m at June 13, 2020 11:35 AM (Ij+4T)

31 (looks at Chazistan) umm....Let's see soy, weed....
Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 13, 2020 11:32 AM (gGnzC)

Well, okay. Let's just beat their asses then.

Posted by: Jordan61 at June 13, 2020 11:35 AM (qrX0b)

32

What needs to happen is to give the ultra lefty all white burbs a taste of the mayhem and destruction they are applauding from a safe distance. You love? Well now you've got it. I mean now they have. Your cars, TVs, everything and it's all in the name of removing their privilege so they can't complain

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 13, 2020 11:35 AM (gGnzC)

33 Seems like a lot of women graduating.
Does anyone know the percentage?

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt
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So Trump is sexually assaulting hundreds of women, 2 at a time now????///

Posted by: lin-duh en fugue at June 13, 2020 11:35 AM (UUBmN)

34 I had turned off the sound. What was the fun prize the graduate just got?

Posted by: m at June 13, 2020 11:36 AM (Ij+4T)

35 So Trump is sexually assaulting hundreds of women, 2 at a time now????///

Posted by: lin-duh en fugue at June 13, 2020 11:35 AM (UUBmN)

Well, he DID schlong Hilary....

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at June 13, 2020 11:36 AM (ufFY8)

36 20 I'm so turned on right now...
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at June 13, 2020 11:28 AM (NWiLs)

That's just morning wood.
Posted by: Jordan61 at June 13, 2020 11:32 AM (qrX0b)

No, this is something else. Something more purposeful, more aggressive, more...ravenous. This is WarBoner™

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at June 13, 2020 11:36 AM (NWiLs)

37 31 (looks at Chazistan) umm....Let's see soy, weed....
Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 13, 2020 11:32 AM (gGnzC)

Well, okay. Let's just beat their asses then.
Posted by: Jordan61 at June 13, 2020 11:35 AM (qrX0b)

Beat their ass and take their grass!

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at June 13, 2020 11:37 AM (NWiLs)

38 lol, there is one guy that is clapping exactly seven time for each announcement....

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at June 13, 2020 11:37 AM (ufFY8)

39 or eight times

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at June 13, 2020 11:38 AM (ufFY8)

40 39 or eight times

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at June 13, 2020 11:38 AM (ufFY

Nine is right out.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at June 13, 2020 11:39 AM (NWiLs)

41 39 or eight times

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at June 13, 2020 11:38 AM (ufFY

I was gonna say.

Posted by: m at June 13, 2020 11:39 AM (Ij+4T)

42 Where are you watching online?

Posted by: Infidel at June 13, 2020 11:39 AM (UPF6H)

43 Insom

Hope you have the four hour countdown timer running

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at June 13, 2020 11:39 AM (iXjtm)

44 PDT at the West Point graduation

Posted by: m at June 13, 2020 11:39 AM (Ij+4T)

45 https://www.whitehouse.gov/live/

Posted by: m at June 13, 2020 11:39 AM (Ij+4T)

46 And CSPAN

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at June 13, 2020 11:40 AM (ufFY8)

47 This is WarBoner

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at June 13, 2020 11:36 AM (NWiLs)

Look at you, with your fancy trademark symbol.

Posted by: Jordan61 at June 13, 2020 11:40 AM (qrX0b)

48 something something Park, from South Korea
?

Posted by: m at June 13, 2020 11:41 AM (Ij+4T)

49 Thanks.

Posted by: Infidel at June 13, 2020 11:41 AM (UPF6H)

50 Seems like a lot of women graduating.
Does anyone know the percentage?

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at June 13, 2020 11:33 AM (ufFY

Gotta get that kinder gentler Army thing going!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at June 13, 2020 11:41 AM (iXjtm)

51 I assume idiot reporters are writing glowing articles about CHAZ i.e. this is an entirely peaceful celebration of life, apart from the fact some rascally scamp just set me on fire.

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at June 13, 2020 11:41 AM (Uu+Jp)

52 Look at you, with your fancy trademark symbol.
Posted by: Jordan61 at June 13, 2020 11:40 AM (qrX0b)

I'm moving up in the world.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at June 13, 2020 11:42 AM (NWiLs)

53 Lots of tradition just in the names. I am hearing a lot of [first name] [middle initial] [surname] 'The Third' or 'The Fourth'...

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at June 13, 2020 11:42 AM (ufFY8)

54 51 I assume idiot reporters are writing glowing articles about CHAZ i.e. this is an entirely peaceful celebration of life, apart from the fact some rascally scamp just set me on fire.
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at June 13, 2020 11:41 AM (Uu+Jp)

It's a street party!
--Their Mayor (I think)

Posted by: m at June 13, 2020 11:42 AM (Ij+4T)

55 Look at all these white supremacists hijacking "peaceful protests" with their looting of a Walmart in a poor, Black neighborhood.

Oh wait...

I guess these looters were celebrating the criminal life of George Floyd 1.0, not the George Floyd 2.0 who "was turning his life around" in Minnesota...

https://bit.ly/2AmPbo5

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at June 13, 2020 11:43 AM (Do5/p)

56 Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at June 13, 2020 11:42 AM (ufFY

Do you know what that special prize was, that the guy got in a hemp bag?

Posted by: m at June 13, 2020 11:43 AM (Ij+4T)

57 It really chapped my ass the first time I heard the lyrics in Lenins Imagine.

Posted by: Fritz at June 13, 2020 11:43 AM (G65E3)

58 What will the Chazians do when they run out of weed?

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at June 13, 2020 11:44 AM (Uu+Jp)

59 Do you know what that special prize was, that the guy got in a hemp bag?
Posted by: m at June 13, 2020 11:43 AM (Ij+4T)

Mil spec weed, of course

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at June 13, 2020 11:44 AM (iXjtm)

60 "Thanks," Commissar Hrothgar.

Posted by: m at June 13, 2020 11:44 AM (Ij+4T)

61 Love the shirts with swords.

Posted by: Infidel at June 13, 2020 11:45 AM (UPF6H)

62 Those skirts and half assed pumps....ugh. Should be nice white slacks, like the guys.

Posted by: Russkilitlover at June 13, 2020 11:45 AM (99Nt9)

63 >>Do you know what that special prize was, that the guy got in a hemp bag?

Given that he "won" the Goat prize for being dead last in his class I don't think it was a promotion.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 13, 2020 11:45 AM (ZLI7S)

64 oops, skirts.

Posted by: Infidel at June 13, 2020 11:46 AM (UPF6H)

65 63 >>Do you know what that special prize was, that the guy got in a hemp bag?

Given that he "won" the Goat prize for being dead last in his class I don't think it was a promotion.
Posted by: JackStraw at June 13, 2020 11:45 AM (ZLI7S)

Thank you. I had the sound off, and didn't hear what it was about.

Posted by: m at June 13, 2020 11:46 AM (Ij+4T)

66 55
Look at all these white supremacists hijacking "peaceful protests" with
their looting of a Walmart in a poor, Black neighborhood.

I can see the pain on their faces as they try to open the locked case with the cigarettes.

Posted by: Wine Mom at June 13, 2020 11:46 AM (T6t7i)

67 I do NOT know what the special bag was.
It looked like a sack from Skyrim to me. Maybe some gold, and carrots.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at June 13, 2020 11:46 AM (ufFY8)

68 62 Those skirts and half assed pumps....ugh. Should be nice white slacks, like the guys.
Posted by: Russkilitlover at June 13, 2020 11:45 AM (99Nt9)

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Think of them as kilts.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 13, 2020 11:46 AM (wPVhA)

69 Captain Obvious could have noticed, but this goes back to exactly the moment when people stopped going to church/ when religion - REAL religion, not the new-age bs - stopped being the focal point of people's lives.

You gotta serve somebody.

Posted by: RondinellaMamma at June 13, 2020 11:47 AM (8/7u2)

70 63 >>Do you know what that special prize was, that the guy got in a hemp bag?

Given that he "won" the Goat prize for being dead last in his class I don't think it was a promotion.
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Probably since they are doing alphabetically by regiment. The first guy's diploma looks just like the last guy's.

Posted by: dingbat at June 13, 2020 11:48 AM (PMMrm)

71 I've turned the sound off again, because the speakers tripping over the names is disconcerting.

Posted by: m at June 13, 2020 11:48 AM (Ij+4T)

72 Look at all these white supremacists hijacking "peaceful protests" with their looting of a Walmart in a poor, Black neighborhood.

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At least the razor blades will remain untouched.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 13, 2020 11:48 AM (wPVhA)

73 Is there any Fed property inside the Chaz enclave? If so, why haven't they taken it back?

Posted by: BignJames at June 13, 2020 11:49 AM (X/Pw5)

74 73 Is there any Fed property inside the Chaz enclave? If so, why haven't they taken it back?
Posted by: BignJames at June 13, 2020 11:49 AM (X/Pw5)

These West Point graduates are off to do that right after the ceremony.

Posted by: m at June 13, 2020 11:51 AM (Ij+4T)

75 Trump shook the hands of every single Air Force graduate last year, so saluting 1,000 is a piece of cake in comparison.

Posted by: Two Weeks From Drinking The Perfect Covfefe at June 13, 2020 11:51 AM (+dsLj)

76 I just encountered a couple of mosquitoes in the yard. I hope these aren't African Yellow Striped Murder Mosquitoes.

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at June 13, 2020 11:52 AM (Uu+Jp)

77 Is it also vaguely racist of us to be so pleased at the existence and leadership of black conservatives? Are we not practicing the bigotry of low expectations?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 13, 2020 11:52 AM (yQpMk)

78 And of course the stands where the family would be are empty.

Fuck Coomo straight up his nipple pierced ass with a rusty spiked dildo.

Posted by: Two Weeks From Drinking The Perfect Covfefe at June 13, 2020 11:52 AM (+dsLj)

79
Do you know what that special prize was, that the guy got in a hemp bag?

Posted by: m at June 13, 2020 11:43 AM

Spencer Rapone's severed head

"You may be last in your class, but you didn't fcuk up as bad as this guy did"

Posted by: AltonJackson at June 13, 2020 11:54 AM (YgBSm)

80 77 Is it also vaguely racist of us to be so pleased at the existence and leadership of black conservatives? Are we not practicing the bigotry of low expectations?
Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 13, 2020 11:52 AM (yQpMk)

I think we often do that in response to charges that we--and the US--keep the black man down and such. We helpfully point out examples to the contrary. Like, say, the immediately prior President of the United States.

Posted by: m at June 13, 2020 11:54 AM (Ij+4T)

81 I'm already done with cosplay bartertown.

A bunch of narcissists, shouting "look at me" is not entertaining, and I have no desire to hang around just to say "see I told ya so" when it all comes crashing down.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 13, 2020 11:55 AM (hku12)

82 Posted by: AltonJackson at June 13, 2020 11:54 AM (YgBSm)

"Thanks."

Posted by: m at June 13, 2020 11:55 AM (Ij+4T)

83 You know what you call the lowest ranking graduate at the military college? Lieutenant.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 13, 2020 11:55 AM (yQpMk)

84 Morning all, thanks WD. Ill read after a coupla cups a covfefe.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 13, 2020 11:56 AM (XEfKE)

85 For 8 years I have thought this is it, peak crazy. I mean wasn't Biden a rejection by the base of all the crazy? But this? They really want Lord of the Flies. Now I'm buckling up. Will unplug every now and then because I'm not going to let them suck the joy out of life.

Posted by: Piratepatch from the flood zone at June 13, 2020 11:56 AM (h8meQ)

86 I mean OB KT, sheesh. Need cawfee.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 13, 2020 11:56 AM (XEfKE)

87 Is it also vaguely racist of us to be so pleased at the existence and leadership of black conservatives? Are we not practicing the bigotry of low expectations?
Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 13, 2020 11:52 AM (yQpMk)

I think we often do that in response to charges that we--and the US--keep the black man down and such. We helpfully point out examples to the contrary. Like, say, the immediately prior President of the United States.
Posted by: m at June 13, 2020 11:54 AM (Ij+4T)

Barak Obama was about as rayciss a thing as this country has done since... you name it.

White people who were sick and tired of being accused of being rayciss, decided to vote for a black guy so we'd stop talking about race.

Yeah, that worked.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 13, 2020 11:57 AM (hku12)

88 Look at you, with your fancy trademark symbol.
Posted by: Jordan61 at June 13, 2020 11:40 AM (qrX0b)

I'm moving up in the world.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo

Insomniac Jefferson !

Posted by: JT at June 13, 2020 11:58 AM (arJlL)

89 White people who were sick and tired of being accused of being rayciss, decided to vote for a black guy so we'd stop talking about race.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 13, 2020 11:57 AM (hku12)

twice

Posted by: BignJames at June 13, 2020 11:59 AM (X/Pw5)

90 What a lovely ceremony for those WP grads. I've been thinking that seniors around the country got royally screwed this year. Not only with their graduation ceremonies but with losing out on the 2nd half of senior year. Don't know if it's a major deal with most seniors, who tend to cruise the last few months, but I can see future job interviewer thinking, hmmm...from the dumpsh*t class of 2020....pass...

Posted by: Russkilitlover at June 13, 2020 12:00 PM (99Nt9)

91 You want soldiers loyal to the president? This is how you get soldiers loyal to the president.

Posted by: creeper at June 13, 2020 12:01 PM (XxJt1)

92 White people who were sick and tired of being accused of being rayciss, decided to vote for a black guy so we'd stop talking about race.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 13, 2020 11:57 AM (hku12)

twice
Posted by: BignJames at June 13, 2020 11:59 AM (X/Pw5)

I think of Barak Obaama's reelection like when the power goes out, and you get up, look around the neighborhood, notice everything is dark... but you go and try the light switch again anyway.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 13, 2020 12:02 PM (hku12)

93 The Goat Prize at West Point is given to the graduating cadet with the lowest GPA. George Custer was the goat of his class.

The prize is a bag full of cash to which all the cadets have contributed.

Posted by: IrishEi at June 13, 2020 12:02 PM (sGotD)

94 Giant grain of salt because Gateway Pundit but this could be something. Looking for confirmation.

https://tinyurl.com/y8zcvtty

Posted by: JackStraw at June 13, 2020 12:02 PM (ZLI7S)

95 I'm off to the range for some recoil therapy. Rock On my Brothers.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 13, 2020 12:03 PM (yQpMk)

96 93 The Goat Prize at West Point is given to the graduating cadet with the lowest GPA. George Custer was the goat of his class.

The prize is a bag full of cash to which all the cadets have contributed.
Posted by: IrishEi at June 13, 2020 12:02 PM (sGotD)

Cool. Thanks.
Your hash is nearly on-topic.

Posted by: m at June 13, 2020 12:03 PM (Ij+4T)

97
George Floyd was turning his life around. And around and around. Spinning like a drill-bit, auguring into the dirt. A cop happened to be there when his turning completed itself. Maybe the leg on the neck was an attempt to put the brakes on the spinning.

I want to see the unreleased video of narcotics-addled George freaking out and thrashing as they attempted to transport him in the squad car. And spinning, like I said.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at June 13, 2020 12:03 PM (t5m5e)

98 KT, do we have you to thank for this gem?

Posted by: creeper at June 13, 2020 12:04 PM (XxJt1)

99 Is it also vaguely racist of us to be so pleased at the existence and leadership of black conservatives?

******************

Black conservatives have to deal with being a pariah with 90% of their peers with no protection against real racism (by democrats), so the headwinds against them are brutal. Nothing but respect for them.

It's amazing that Biden can casually declare someone not black based on their politics and not have his balls cut off by the black community.

Posted by: Two Weeks From Drinking The Perfect Covfefe at June 13, 2020 12:04 PM (+dsLj)

100 99 It's amazing that Biden can casually declare someone not black based on their politics and not have his balls cut off by the black community.
Posted by: Two Weeks From Drinking The Perfect Covfefe at June 13, 2020 12:04 PM (+dsLj)

Maybe the payback will be in the ballotbox.

Posted by: m at June 13, 2020 12:05 PM (Ij+4T)

101 Here's some possibly good news: the president of Mizzou announced that a statute of Thomas Jefferson will NOT be removed from campus despite a petition from 3,000 students, etc. demanding its removal:

https://tinyurl.com/y9pthtpq

"We learn from history," Mizzou President Mun Choi said in a statement. "We contextualize historical figures with complex legacies. We don't remove history."

We'll see if he sticks to his word, but just the fact that he said these things seems encouraging to me.

Posted by: Secret Square at June 13, 2020 12:06 PM (9WuX0)

102 You want soldiers loyal to the president? This is how you get soldiers loyal to the president.
Posted by: creeper

Every soldier I knew was loyal to the Constitution, not any president.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 13, 2020 12:06 PM (axyOa)

103 hmmmm

https://tinyurl.com/yb4g8wyo

Posted by: JackStraw at June 13, 2020 12:06 PM (ZLI7S)

104 The prize is a bag full of cash to which all the cadets have contributed.

Posted by: IrishEi at June 13, 2020 12:02 PM (sGotD)

LOL!

My joke about a Skyrim bag holding gold and carrots was almost on the mark!

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at June 13, 2020 12:07 PM (ufFY8)

105 The Goat Prize at West Point is given to the graduating cadet with the lowest GPA. George Custer was the goat of his class.

The prize is a bag full of cash to which all the cadets have contributed.
Posted by: IrishEi at June 13, 2020 12:02 PM (sGotD)

To paraphrase another comment used elsewhere, what do senior NCOs call the guy who finishes last in his class at West Point?

Sir.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 13, 2020 12:07 PM (hku12)

106 I think of Barak Obaama's reelection like when the power goes out, and you get up, look around the neighborhood, notice everything is dark... but you go and try the light switch again anyway.

***********

The thing I really love and miss about the Obama years was all the racial harmony.

Posted by: Ferguson Riots, Baltimore Riots, Flatbush Riots, Occupy Wall Street Riots, Oakland Riots, Berkeley R at June 13, 2020 12:08 PM (+dsLj)

107 CHAZZ HANDS!!!!!

Posted by: Orson at June 13, 2020 12:10 PM (ZJ41M)

108 Awww. Tank abrams and "that woman" whitmer are not on joe's list for VP.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 13, 2020 12:10 PM (JUOKG)

109 It's amazing that Biden can casually declare someone not black based on their politics and not have his balls cut off by the black community.
Posted by: Two Weeks From Drinking The Perfect Covfefe at June 13, 2020 12:04 PM (+dsLj)

No one knows of course, but I'm speculating black Democrats will do reasonably well this November, and white Democrats will have their kneecaps busted by black voters.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 13, 2020 12:10 PM (hku12)

110 One female was wearing slacks.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at June 13, 2020 12:14 PM (ufFY8)

111 Awww. Tank abrams and "that woman" whitmer are not on joe's list for VP.
Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 13, 2020 12:10 PM (JUOKG)

What's the full list? I saw Squaw Warren, Cumallinmy Harris, and Sue CYA Email Rice.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 13, 2020 12:14 PM (hku12)

112 Doing some browsing and reading the Innernetz this morning, came across this actual name:

Thaviola Glymph
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thavolia_Glymph

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 13, 2020 12:15 PM (oVJmc)

113 JS, do you think Ukraine will hurt Biden in any way? I don't see it.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at June 13, 2020 12:15 PM (m3RIE)

114 Damn look at Trump making all these blacks salute him. RAAAAACISTTTTTTT

Posted by: Two Weeks From Drinking The Perfect Covfefe at June 13, 2020 12:15 PM (+dsLj)

115 Good stuff KT. Thank you.

Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at June 13, 2020 12:15 PM (d9Cw3)

116 It's Demings or Harris.

My brain says Harris as she has been "The Chosen One" since who knows when, and that's how it works with Democrats. But my heart says Demings since Harris comes with a whoooole lot of "cop baggage".

Posted by: ... at June 13, 2020 12:16 PM (iUIKZ)

117 As I go out the door, Mrs928 sent me this link to a story from the armpit of Alabama. A story of interracial violence and Good Samaritans that doesn't fit the narrative.

https://bit.ly/2BY5VSQ

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 13, 2020 12:16 PM (yQpMk)

118 Motorhead?

Did someone say MOTORHEAD?

Oblig.:

https://tinyurl.com/MHead-AoSHQ

Enjoy.

Posted by: Sharkman at June 13, 2020 12:16 PM (M2rKR)

119 My brain says Harris as she has been "The Chosen One" since who knows when, and that's how it works with Democrats. But my heart says Demings since Harris comes with a whoooole lot of "cop baggage".
Posted by: ... at June 13, 2020 12:16 PM (iUIKZ)

Demings IS cop baggage. She was Chief of Police in Orlando.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at June 13, 2020 12:17 PM (NWiLs)

120 Kid has a buddy who has been at West Point for six years. Still hasn't graduated. At what point does the military think, damn we made a mistake with this one.

Posted by: NCKate at June 13, 2020 12:17 PM (iKL4P)

121 Every soldier I knew was loyal to the Constitution, not any president.
Posted by: Diogenes at June 13, 2020 12:06 PM (axyOa)

I sense some reproof. Maybe the CiC thing is optional.

Posted by: creeper at June 13, 2020 12:18 PM (XxJt1)

122 There's a Key & Peele Substitute Teacher part 2? WHY DOESN'T ANYONE TELL ME THESE THINGS?

Posted by: Jordan61 at June 13, 2020 12:19 PM (qrX0b)

123 What's the full list? I saw Squaw Warren, Cumallinmy Harris, and Sue CYA Email Rice.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 13, 2020 12:14 PM (hku12)

Then Demings and Bottoms and some dopey white chick from New Mexico. I'm sure they're going to spin out the suspense like the choice even matters.

I honestly think it could only be Demings or Harris. I can see them doing Rice as cover since she's the link to yet more Obama Era malfeasance. I would set the odds thusly:

Harris - Even
Demings - 1.5:1
Rice - 6:1
Field (anyone else) - 10:1

Posted by: ... at June 13, 2020 12:19 PM (iUIKZ)

124 Kamala the cop?

The one who had zero support from POC and was one of the first to drop out?

Posted by: Ha at June 13, 2020 12:19 PM (55lwO)

125 They're all going to throw their caps in the air at the end of the ceremony, aren't they?

Posted by: m at June 13, 2020 12:19 PM (Ij+4T)

126 Kamala is awful.

Posted by: m at June 13, 2020 12:20 PM (Ij+4T)

127 122 There's a Key & Peele Substitute Teacher part 2? WHY DOESN'T ANYONE TELL ME THESE THINGS?
Posted by: Jordan61 at June 13, 2020 12:19 PM (qrX0b)

And why didn't you give us a link?

Posted by: m at June 13, 2020 12:20 PM (Ij+4T)

128 >>JS, do you think Ukraine will hurt Biden in any way? I don't see it.

Yes I do.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 13, 2020 12:21 PM (ZLI7S)

129 And why didn't you give us a link?
Posted by: m at June 13, 2020 12:20 PM (Ij+4T)

I watched in on my husband's phone. He's the one who found it. Hang on...

Posted by: Jordan61 at June 13, 2020 12:21 PM (qrX0b)

130 https://youtu.be/WLAq3JVJ6Ho

Posted by: Jordan61 at June 13, 2020 12:22 PM (qrX0b)

131 130 https://youtu.be/WLAq3JVJ6Ho
Posted by: Jordan61 at June 13, 2020 12:22 PM (qrX0b)

Thanks, A-aron!
; )

Posted by: m at June 13, 2020 12:23 PM (Ij+4T)

132 I hope you are correct. How is Elvis? Leroy is 4 months today, funny puppy.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at June 13, 2020 12:23 PM (m3RIE)

133 Gah! I just loaded 4 new Walther Creed mags. I need new thumbs.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 13, 2020 12:24 PM (7Fj9P)

134 133 Gah! I just loaded 4 new Walther Creed mags. I need new thumbs.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 13, 2020 12:24 PM (7Fj9P)

Nice gun.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at June 13, 2020 12:25 PM (NWiLs)

135 Has anyone pointed out that POTUS is ensuring loyalty at the platoon/fighting element today? This may offset the general officer senior leader treason we witnessed this week.

Posted by: BifBewalski - sinis est culus at June 13, 2020 12:25 PM (VcFUs)

136 Demings IS cop baggage. She was Chief of Police in Orlando.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at June 13, 2020 12:17 PM (NWiLs)

That's credibility though. In Kamala's nasty case though she laughs about putting black people away.

Posted by: ... at June 13, 2020 12:25 PM (iUIKZ)

137 >>I hope you are correct. How is Elvis? Leroy is 4 months today, funny puppy.

He's doing great. Had a nice walk this morning and now he's crashed out by my feet.

4 months is a great age. I wish they could stay puppies longer.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 13, 2020 12:26 PM (ZLI7S)

138 133
Gah! I just loaded 4 new Walther Creed mags. I need new thumbs.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 13, 2020 12:24 PM (7Fj9P)

Uplula FTW

Posted by: Jordan61 at June 13, 2020 12:27 PM (qrX0b)

139 JackStraw, at the bottom of one of the first-linked stories was a reference to someone having said in effect, "Nothing to see here...move along." But there was no context.
The fact that Ukraine is still pursuing this (and so publicly) is heartening. It can't possibly help Joe.
So they embezzled the cash, huh? More fun roads to go down.

Posted by: creeper at June 13, 2020 12:27 PM (XxJt1)

140 Nice gun.
===============
I bought 2; less than a week later the price jumped $100@. I can't wait to break them in.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 13, 2020 12:27 PM (7Fj9P)

141 131 130 https://youtu.be/WLAq3JVJ6Ho
Posted by: Jordan61 at June 13, 2020 12:22 PM (qrX0b)

Thanks, A-aron!
; )
Posted by: m at June 13, 2020 12:23 PM (Ij+4T)

hahahaha
good one

Posted by: m at June 13, 2020 12:27 PM (Ij+4T)

142 Uplula FTW
===========
Pray tell...

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 13, 2020 12:28 PM (7Fj9P)

143 What's the full list? I saw Squaw Warren, Cumallinmy Harris, and Sue CYA Email Rice.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 13, 2020 12:14 PM (hku12)

Then Demings and Bottoms and some dopey white chick from New Mexico. I'm sure they're going to spin out the suspense like the choice even matters.

I honestly think it could only be Demings or Harris. I can see them doing Rice as cover since she's the link to yet more Obama Era malfeasance. I would set the odds thusly:

Harris - Even
Demings - 1.5:1
Rice - 6:1
Field (anyone else) - 10:1
Posted by: ... at June 13, 2020 12:19 PM (iUIKZ)

Ok, I never heard of either of those two, Demings or Bottoms, so my initial reaction is, they sure do seem to be scraping the bottom of the barrel to find a black chick.

So even though Warren was on the short list, is the general belief that she's not really an option?

Posted by: BurtTC at June 13, 2020 12:29 PM (hku12)

144 Ok, I never heard of either of those two, Demings or Bottoms, so my initial reaction is, they sure do seem to be scraping the bottom of the barrel to find a black chick.

Demings was a joke as Chief of Police, but, you know, affirmative action.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at June 13, 2020 12:30 PM (NWiLs)

145 Whoa!!
https://tinyurl.com/yb4g8wyo

Posted by: LASue at June 13, 2020 12:30 PM (6h14y)

146 Families can't watch their sons and daughters graduate from West Point, but you can riot and loot.

Posted by: SMH at June 13, 2020 12:30 PM (RU4sa)

147 I do not know if its been mentioned yet, but I heard that trump received 188000 more votes in the Georgia primary than Biden (the other candidates got around 142,000 based on a quick estimate in my mind)

You cannot find the results anywhere.

Both the NYT

Not using duck duck go

Not even on Wikipedia - which is supposed to dutifully list all the results.

No, I do not believe the polling one bit. And by the lengths the enemy media has gone to hide this result, neither do they.

Posted by: Loki at June 13, 2020 12:30 PM (Uvvwn)

148 I did, Biff. Got told soldiers' loyalty was to the Constitution, not any president. Not sure how the CiC thing works in that case.

Posted by: creeper at June 13, 2020 12:31 PM (XxJt1)

149 Is Mayor Bottoms off the shortlist?

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at June 13, 2020 12:31 PM (m3RIE)

150 >>So they embezzled the cash, huh? More fun roads to go down.

Billions. US tax dollars, IMF money, all sorts of money was funneled through Ukraine.

I don't think the real story of the "revolution" in 2014 will come out for some time but Ukraine is a bi-partisan and international swamp of corruption and one of the biggest sources of interference in the 2016 election.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 13, 2020 12:31 PM (ZLI7S)

151 146 Families can't watch their sons and daughters graduate from West Point, but you can riot and loot.
Posted by: SMH at June 13, 2020 12:30 PM (RU4sa)

Can't go to church.
Can't go to a family funeral.
But you can riot and loot. And can gather en masse to worship the corpse of George Floyd.

Fuckers.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at June 13, 2020 12:31 PM (NWiLs)

152 It will be Rice for VP

She is Obolas puppet and that would give him direct control Of the White House.

Posted by: Loki at June 13, 2020 12:32 PM (Uvvwn)

153 Nearing the end of the cadets!

Posted by: m at June 13, 2020 12:34 PM (Ij+4T)

154 Attaboy, cadets!

Posted by: m at June 13, 2020 12:34 PM (Ij+4T)

155 "What needs to happen is to give the ultra lefty all
white burbs a taste of the mayhem and destruction they are applauding
from a safe distance. You love? Well now you've got it. I mean now they
have. Your cars, TVs, everything and it's all in the name of removing
their privilege so they can't complain

Posted by: TheQuietMan"

When hot young white women start to suffer directly from this insanity their enthusiasm for social justice and fighting systemic racism and white privilege will screech to a halt.

Posted by: Ripley at June 13, 2020 12:35 PM (MxEKc)

156 "And can gather en masse to worship the corpse of George Floyd. "

Shouldn't he be rising about now from his golden casket?

Posted by: Ripley at June 13, 2020 12:37 PM (MxEKc)

157 Ok, I never heard of either of those two, Demings or Bottoms, so my initial reaction is, they sure do seem to be scraping the bottom of the barrel to find a black chick.
--------------------------
Demings was a joke as Chief of Police, but, you know, affirmative action.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at June 13, 2020 12:30 PM (NWiLs)

I'm expecting the Veep pick to tell us something (not sure what) about the inside info DNC has about their chances.

Select an obscure nobody from nowhere, doing a nothing job, and make sure SHE has the right skin color, you're basically conceding the election. You're appeasing a core constituency, which, if you are pandering to a core constituency, it means you are bleeding voters.

Likewise, pick Kamala, a Californican, and you are basically giving up on swing states.

Seriously, I have no insight here at all, just my speculation, but the only one who "scares" me is Warren. If they pick her, they're basically saying "yeah, we're not pandering to the blacks, we're also picking someone who is articulate, and frankly, if/when Joe breaks down, we think she can step into the big office."

Still, in my brain, I don't see a path to victory for the Dems this year. Except possibly massive cheating, which I don't think they have the ability to pull off in big enough numbers.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 13, 2020 12:37 PM (hku12)

158 Waiting to see if I get tickets to Trump Tulsa speech. Now I'm on their mailing list and I received a bullshit text today telling me there is ONE more space left to sigh his birthday card. I thought only Dems pulled those swindles

Posted by: creeper at June 13, 2020 12:38 PM (XxJt1)

159 Maybe Barron will go to West Point.

Posted by: m at June 13, 2020 12:38 PM (Ij+4T)

160 So even though Warren was on the short list, is the general belief that she's not really an option?

Posted by: BurtTC at June 13, 2020 12:29 PM (hku12)
It's only my opinion that they have chosen a woman "of color" (we know the choice is made, the shortlist stuff is BS). They need someone who can be totally vicious and disgusting and nasty to Trump... and if Trump and his supporters disagree it's because they're "racist" *and* "sexist*.

I mean, they have telegraphed this, the way they telegraphed the Biden candidacy with shampeachment.

I might revise my Rice odds from 6:1 to 5:1. I agree with people here. It's a good way of rewarding her for being a total asshole for the cause.

Posted by: ... at June 13, 2020 12:38 PM (iUIKZ)

161 Is Mayor Bottoms off the shortlist?

You want kneeling? That guy can kneel!

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 13, 2020 12:39 PM (oVJmc)

162 156 "And can gather en masse to worship the corpse of George Floyd. "

Shouldn't he be rising about now from his golden casket?
Posted by: Ripley at June 13, 2020 12:37 PM (MxEKc)

He is not here; he has risen, just as he said. Come and see the place where he lay.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at June 13, 2020 12:39 PM (NWiLs)

163 I do not know if its been mentioned yet, but I heard
that trump received 188000 more votes in the Georgia primary than Biden
(the other candidates got around 142,000 based on a quick estimate in
my mind)

You cannot find the results anywhere.

Both the NYT

Not using duck duck go

Not even on Wikipedia - which is supposed to dutifully list all the results.

No, I do not believe the polling one bit. And by the lengths the enemy media has gone to hide this result, neither do they.

Posted by: Loki at June 13, 2020 12:30 PM

---

Yep, it's true. Someone here had the numbers the other day and Trump pulled more votes than both biden and sanders got.

Said it before but it bears repeating, Trump has broke vote total records for an incumbent President in every single primary we have had this year. In more than a few cases he doubled the vote totals that obama got in 2012 and in one case tripled them.

Republican turnout is not going to be a problem in November.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 13, 2020 12:39 PM (JUOKG)

164 For 3.5 years Democrats have run the single biggest Republican GOTV of my lifetime.

Posted by: ... at June 13, 2020 12:40 PM (iUIKZ)

165 Didja see the Jonah Goldberg (spit) piece that was linked and quoted over at Insty's? The one about Antifastan?

Key bit:

I feel bad for the businesses and homeowners in the area who are watching their property values plummet like one of those applause-o-meter dials at a focus group for Sean Spicer's new one-man song-and-dance show at Branson....

Wow. He is so far gone. Taking a swipe at Spicer, and a subtle oh ha Trumperslike the declasse entertainment venues in Branson!

I want ace to write some more really, really mean stuff about this Goldberg fatty.

Posted by: blaster at June 13, 2020 12:40 PM (ZfRYq)

166 Not a fan of McWhorter.

I've followed him for years, ever since he wrote for the late, great New York Sun. Liked some of his writings, and do admire that he does, very occasionally, stray from black liberal orthodoxy.

That said, he's argued for the validity of Ebonics, supported Barack Obama, never once voted Republican even though he's outlined some of the areas of Democratic hypocrisy on the matter of race. He's a committed Democrat who has never really full-throatedly argued for a top-to-bottom reform of how they do things, which is what is needed if they are to be a viable, pro-American opposition party to the GOP, or even the GOPe.

I put Camille Paglia in the same category, even though she's argued for reform louder than McWhorter has.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at June 13, 2020 12:41 PM (Mljx4)

167 Ugh my mom is in her room listening to Barry Manilow. Loud.

Posted by: Jordan61 at June 13, 2020 12:41 PM (qrX0b)

168 167 Ugh my mom is in her room listening to Barry Manilow. Loud.
Posted by: Jordan61 at June 13, 2020 12:41 PM (qrX0b)

COPA CABAAAAAANAAAAA!!!!

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at June 13, 2020 12:42 PM (NWiLs)

169 CHAZ will not last long and will not make much of an impression on many, and generally will be regarded as stupid (across the board).

The Barbarossa offensive of racist race-baiting Taliban nihilism, however, is vastly more important, and it's vastly more important how normal or "conservative" figures react than anything else. For the actual society and culture, that is.

From the perspective of Dem officeholders and upper ranks it is of course 100% about inflaming black voters to increase turnout. The only actual objective they've had with black voters for decades.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 13, 2020 12:42 PM (El6T/)

170 Hi creeper,

I saw what Diogenes said earlier, and I agree with loyalty to the constitution 100%. Hopefully, the loyalty to the constitution will flow through gun legal and lawful orders from the CIC, even if the GO traitors try to subvert it.

At least that's what I'm trying to say in my poor communication.

Posted by: BifBewalski - sinis est culus at June 13, 2020 12:42 PM (VcFUs)

171 152--- It will be Rice for VP
She is Obolas puppet and that would give him direct control Of the White House.
Posted by: Loki at June 13, 2020 12:32 PM (Uvvwn)
-------------------------------
That is a scary possibility.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 13, 2020 12:42 PM (M/9m0)

172 142
Uplula FTW

===========

Pray tell...

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 13, 2020 12:28 PM (7Fj9P)

https://preview.tinyurl.com/ydfj3v3c

Posted by: Jordan61 at June 13, 2020 12:42 PM (qrX0b)

173 Rice should be the obvious choice at this point but the unmasking hasn't been investigated in depth and she may be up to her neck in it. The memo-to-self is a huge red flag.

I suspect Senate Reps may be willing to let her escape but not if she shows up on the ballot.

Posted by: creeper at June 13, 2020 12:43 PM (XxJt1)

174 148
I did, Biff. Got told soldiers' loyalty was to the Constitution, not any
president. Not sure how the CiC thing works in that case.

Posted by: creeper at June 13, 2020 12:31 PM (XxJt1)

They also swear to obey the orders of President of the United States, lawful orders according to the UCMJ.

Posted by: Javems at June 13, 2020 12:43 PM (ofIwF)

175 Not sure how the CiC thing works in that case.
Posted by: creeper at June 13, 2020 12:31 PM (XxJt1)

I think you are allowed/required to disobey an illegal order that violates the Constitution even if it originates from the CiC.

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at June 13, 2020 12:44 PM (iXjtm)

176 When Biden chooses Harris, this will be awesome in 1) how wrong it is and 2) how right it is:

Predictions for someone to google and point to and say what do YOU know anyway:

Won't make it to Iowa:

Marianne Williamson (ultimate vanity candidacy, she won't be able to qualify for the ballot)
Wayne Messam (Who? Exactly)
Tulsi Gabbard (she's burned too many bridges)

Drops after Iowa:

John Delaney (self funded vanity)
Andrew Yang (self funded vanity)
Julian Castro (old, old news)
Amy Klobuchar (last finisher for the women)
Kirsten Gillibrand (next-to-last finisher for the women)
Seth Moulton (maybe - he might not get to Iowa, candidacy doesn't have any reason for being. Against the Iraq War? So was/is Trump.)
Eric Swalwell (candidacy is to troll Trump - a costly way to do it)
Jay Inslee

Drops after NH:

John Hickenlooper (honestly I just needed to put someone here)

Drops after SC:

Beto O'Rourke (he can fund himself past a poor showing in Iowa, and the big dropout after Iowa will make him look like a mover until he gets to SC)

Drops after Super Tuesday:

Elizabeth Warren (nobody really likes her anyway - Super Tuesday will demonstrate that definitively)
Cory Booker (he will already be reeling from going nowhere with the black vote in SC)

That will leave the field with this:

Joe Biden
Pete Buttigieg
Bernie Sanders
Kamala Harris

Bernie will run to the convention regardless of where he is. But he is already done.

Now here it gets tricky - Harris I don't think can win but the Dems can't let the last candidates all be white men. UNLESS - she drops out, immediately endorses Biden, and Biden says, immediately, I will be glad to have her on my ticket when we get to the convention. Despite the fact I think he won't win, this might actually make him win. If those campaigns are too bitter with each other to do that, that only leaves one candidate:

Buttigieg

Posted by: blaster at April 26, 2019 10:42 AM (ZfRYq)

Posted by: blaster at June 13, 2020 12:44 PM (ZfRYq)

177 I have seen stories denouncing the sham primary in GA, but not results

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at June 13, 2020 12:44 PM (m3RIE)

178
"We learn from history," Mizzou President Mun
Choi said in a statement. "We contextualize historical figures with
complex legacies. We don't remove history."

We'll see if he sticks to his word, but just the fact that he said these things seems encouraging to me.

Posted by: Secret Square at June 13, 2020 12:06 PM (9WuX0)

"contextualize historical figures with
complex legacies" I guess that means something to some people

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 13, 2020 12:46 PM (HKSY5)

179
"Joe? Joe? Wake up. We've picked your VP."

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 13, 2020 12:46 PM (imB07)

180
Doing some browsing and reading the Innernetz this morning, came across this actual name:

Thaviola Glymph

Sounds like one of the relatives on the Addams Family.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 13, 2020 12:47 PM (aKsyK)

181 I think you are allowed/required to disobey an illegal order that violates the Constitution even if it originates from the CiC.
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar

Yes. This is what article 138 of the ucmj does. It allows the lower ranked active duty to get redress for the illegal order.

Posted by: BifBewalski - sinis est culus at June 13, 2020 12:47 PM (VcFUs)

182 On lawful orders.

You have to be pretty sure of yourself in order to disobey.

Some guy (Pvt New?) in the 90s was popular among the antiClinton crowd because he refused to wear a blue helmet in a NATO mission.

He got court martialed.

The bright lines are easy. The fuzzy grey ones are tough.

Posted by: blaster at June 13, 2020 12:47 PM (ZfRYq)

183 Demings would actually be a much better pick than Harris, who in addition to her other issues, comes across as a bitch who laughs at inopportune times and has very thin skin.

I remember Demings from the impeachment hoax. She comes across as cool and more level-headed, serious. But I really don't know if she has baggage.

I think she's going to be the pick.
They are currently guilt-tripping white people to accept a black woman who might become next year.

Posted by: JoeF. at June 13, 2020 12:48 PM (CqE5x)

184 "We learn from history," Mizzou President Mun
Choi said in a statement. "We contextualize historical figures with
complex legacies. We don't remove history."

We'll see if he sticks to his word, but just the fact that he said these things seems encouraging to me.

Posted by: Secret Square at June 13, 2020 12:06 PM (9WuX0)[/i

That sounds like a University President who is about to be fired.

Posted by: blaster at June 13, 2020 12:48 PM (ZfRYq)

185 Republican turnout is not going to be a problem in November.
Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 13, 2020 12:39 PM (JUOKG)

But only 300,000 people have applied for seats at the first rally, gonna be an early night for Trump!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at June 13, 2020 12:48 PM (iXjtm)

186 >>>They are currently guilt-tripping white people to accept a black woman who might become next year.

?

Posted by: m at June 13, 2020 12:49 PM (Ij+4T)

187 I lived on Capitol Hill about 1-2 blocks NE of the "CHAZ" from1997 - 2007. It wasn't a "sh**hole--a mix of old houses, narrow streets, excellent bars, a bazillion coffee places and some good bookstores. There was a Ferrari dealership right in the middle of where the CHAZ is now.

Posted by: Pooklord at June 13, 2020 12:49 PM (WYLQs)

188 Families can't watch their sons and daughters graduate from West Point, but you can riot and loot.

Posted by: SMH at June 13, 2020 12:30 PM (RU4sa)

Can't go to church.

Can't go to a family funeral.

But you can riot and loot. And can gather en masse to worship the corpse of George Floyd.

Fuckers.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at June 13, 2020 12:31 PM (NWiLs)

It's science! SCIENCE!!!!

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 13, 2020 12:49 PM (HKSY5)

189 It will be Rice for VP
She is Obolas puppet and that would give him direct control Of the White House.
Posted by: Loki at June 13, 2020 12:32 PM (Uvvwn)
-------------------------------
That is a scary possibility.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 13, 2020 12:42 PM (M/9m0)

That might make sense... if Obama was the brains of the outfit, which I can't imagine anyone at this point thinking he was.

The better question is, how's Rice's relationship with the Iranian rat?

Posted by: BurtTC at June 13, 2020 12:49 PM (hku12)

190 135 Has anyone pointed out that POTUS is ensuring loyalty at the platoon/fighting element today? This may offset the general officer senior leader treason we witnessed this week.
Posted by: BifBewalski - sinis est culus at June 13, 2020 12:25 PM (VcFUs)

This class of military leaders (at the General level) is the worst I've ever seen. Obama succeeded in ridding the Service of any officer that held to the separation of military and civilian control within the Pentagon, and converted the Service to a bunch of Democratic activist SJWs.

The Left has succeeded in turning the Right against the intelligence services, then the police, and now the military.

These branches have all stayed intact largely due to their right-leaning supporters remaining on their side throughout the 70s, 80s, and 90s, even after Waco. They think that they have friends in the Left, but the Defund the Police movement should let the military know that once they're done with the police, they'll move (back) onto the Defund the Military movement that sputtered out after the Soviet Union fell.

They will then wish they stayed with the group that brought them to the dance.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at June 13, 2020 12:49 PM (Mljx4)

191 Her name was Taylor. She was a snowflake.

Posted by: Barely Manenough at June 13, 2020 12:49 PM (EgshT)

192 Not bad actually, blaster.

This one was incredibly difficult to handicap. I thought they were going to push Harris all the way but then she flamed out terribly against Gabbard. And the Bernie supporters really ran a number on her.

I did decide it was Biden when they started impeaching Trump in November based on Biden being the candidate, even though he clearly *wasn't* the candidate yet. Thought it was weird they would do that.

Then when Biden's brain really started melting down I actually reversed myself (unusual) and decided there's no way it will be Biden. That only lasted a week and I have maintained ever since that he is in it all the way to the end. Where he will get trounced by Trump. People on our side will actually wonder why they were ever worried.

Posted by: ... at June 13, 2020 12:49 PM (iUIKZ)

193 What's the full list? I saw Squaw Warren, Cumallinmy Harris, and Sue CYA Email Rice.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 13, 2020 12:14 PM (hku12)

Do any of them pass the smell test? Asking for a Biden

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 13, 2020 12:50 PM (HKSY5)

194 It will be Rice for VP
She is Obolas puppet and that would give him direct control Of the White House.
Posted by: Loki at June 13, 2020 12:32 PM (Uvvwn)
-------------------------------
That is a scary possibility.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 13, 2020 12:42 PM (M/9m0)

WAY too much baggage.

Posted by: JoeF. at June 13, 2020 12:50 PM (CqE5x)

195 The Constitution makes the President the CiC. I would assume that requires loyalty to him. Imagine if any soldier could refuse an order by saying he felt it was unconstitutional.

It would be interesting to know how the Military Code addresses this. I'm sure it must.

But no time now. I need to scrub the chalk marks off the unreplaced garage door and re-treat the hot tub cover with protectant. Back for the Pet Thread

Posted by: creeper at June 13, 2020 12:51 PM (XxJt1)

196 The Mizzou president's verbiage was too academic, but translated to English it is *exactly* what should have been said - matched with strong action - the first time this idiocy started up a few years ago.

But decades of dumbing-down and replacement of common sense and knowledge with racist-emotional garbage (this is all that "identity politics" is, in politics, education, culture) have consequences. Up to corporate CEOs etc.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 13, 2020 12:51 PM (El6T/)

197 Only reason I know about the article 138 is because I used it on one of my commanders. Not going I to details, but I won that fight, and ruined the career of my chain of command all the way up to the brigade commander for backing that rotten sob.

Anyone want his ssn, mothers middle name, and birthday? He lives in north Dallas now. Middle management in a glass factory with a top 10% of west point engineering degree.

He shouldn't have fucked with me.

Posted by: BifBewalski - sinis est culus at June 13, 2020 12:51 PM (VcFUs)

198 Rep. Val Demings
@RepValDemings
U.S. Representative Florida's 10th Congressional District. Public Servant. Former Orlando Police Chief. Christian. Wife. Mother. Grandmother. Harley Enthusiast.

Her twitter bio.

Posted by: m at June 13, 2020 12:51 PM (Ij+4T)

199 Whoever Biden picks, everyone knows they'll be just one strong hiccup away from the Presidency.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 13, 2020 12:51 PM (oVJmc)

200 Yes. This is what article 138 of the ucmj does. It allows the lower ranked active duty to get redress for the illegal order.
Posted by: BifBewalski - sinis est culus at June 13, 2020 12:47 PM (VcFUs)

The " I vas only followink orders!" Defense is disallowed!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at June 13, 2020 12:51 PM (iXjtm)

201 The redoubtable Thomas Sowell also is an inspiration. He tweeted this morsel of clarity yesterday: "Have we reached the ultimate stage of absurdity where some people are held responsible for things that happened before they were born, while other people are not held responsible for what they themselves are doing today?"

Well that's not backwards at all, is it?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - #BrainwashedLivesMatter at June 13, 2020 12:52 PM (HaL55)

202 Then when Biden's brain really started melting down I actually reversed myself (unusual) and decided there's no way it will be Biden. That only lasted a week and I have maintained ever since that he is in it all the way to the end. Where he will get trounced by Trump. People on our side will actually wonder why they were ever worried.
Posted by: ... at June 13, 2020 12:49 PM (iUIKZ)

Here is the thing - Democrats do not actually like Biden. He pretty much has to pick a WOC, and the number of them "liked" by Democrats is quite small. Really there is only Michelle Obama.

Posted by: blaster at June 13, 2020 12:52 PM (ZfRYq)

203 Uplula will save your thumbs. They make a few different models based on caliber/magazine.

Posted by: lin-duh en fugue at June 13, 2020 12:52 PM (UUBmN)

204 They are currently guilt-tripping white people to accept a black woman who might become next year.
Posted by: JoeF. at June 13, 2020 12:48 PM (CqE5x)

Guilt-tripping white people... that's so June.

Let's see how it plays in November. I suspect, not so well.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 13, 2020 12:53 PM (hku12)

205 Barak Obama was about as rayciss a thing as this country has done since... you name it.
White people who were sick and tired of being accused of being rayciss, decided to vote for a black guy so we'd stop talking about race.
Yeah, that worked.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 13, 2020 11:57 AM (hku12)

Yup.....Barack OBlaBla always reminded me of that "Living Color" skit where Farrakhan would have white folks call his hotline to assuage their Y-T-Guilt. Only cost $1.99 per minute.

Plus people are real dumb, like wanting OBlaBla to pay for their over-mortgaged property, so they vote for the fool.

Suckers.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 13, 2020 12:53 PM (Z+IKu)

206 Contextualize history = White man bad.

Posted by: klaftern at June 13, 2020 12:53 PM (RuIsu)

207 Yes, over all, the welfare state is a new plantation and has almost destroyed the poor, blacks and whites.
An uncle of mine, now in his 80s, used to go to Compton CA on Friday nights with his white pals to listen to jazz. He was always perfectly safe. Now? I wouldn't try it.

Posted by: PJ at June 13, 2020 12:54 PM (qlTN9)

208 Pink Cashmere on now

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at June 13, 2020 12:54 PM (m3RIE)

209 >>>Some guy (Pvt New?) in the 90s was popular among the antiClinton crowd because he refused to wear a blue helmet in a NATO mission.
He got court martialed.

Got the big chicken dinner.

Posted by: Seriously at June 13, 2020 12:55 PM (0TCLw)

210 that "Living Color" skit where Farrakhan would have white folks call his
hotline to assuage their Y-T-Guilt. Only cost $1.99 per minute.

I'll bet I called that number a thousand times. Sigh.

Posted by: Taylor Swift at June 13, 2020 12:55 PM (EgshT)

211 Rice is a cold fish and has never collected a single vote.

In a regular election year - in as much as they exist - she'd be an acceptable but not great choice, as she would in no way overshadow the principal.

I think the Dems need to do just that though.

The VP will be the star of the tickt.

Posted by: blaster at June 13, 2020 12:55 PM (ZfRYq)

212 Here is the thing - Democrats do not actually like
Biden. He pretty much has to pick a WOC, and the number of them "liked"
by Democrats is quite small. Really there is only Michelle Obama.

Posted by: blaster at June 13, 2020 12:52 PM (ZfRYq)

I think she's a possibility - the top possibility of the rest - but it's only a small one. I think it's way too much like hard work plus the "optics" (real optics) of the wife of his former boss now being his underling just doesn't sit well on the surface. And with Democrats it's *all* about surface.

That's why it won't be Bottoms. No one with any sense is calling their ticket Biden-Bottoms or any combination thereof. Look at how Trump-Pence looks and sounds. Trumpence. It always factors into the deal.

Posted by: ... at June 13, 2020 12:56 PM (iUIKZ)

213 The fragility of civilization and the degree to which savagery is just below the surface is the most true thing said about the interactions between humans.

Years before the Paglia quote, I saw this first hand when I, an Army veteran, volunteered for Katrina relief in New Orleans, where I saw all the third-world behavior that would put Mogidishu to shame. The corollary to the Paglia quote is that some cultures are closer to the surface than others.

It is the reason that I now have a brick house on a defensible position with all the things that my family would require in an emergency, as well as all the things that would insure that people acting like those people in New Orleans would never be able to take them from us.

Posted by: Visolatte at June 13, 2020 12:56 PM (C4g9p)

214 How was Gore on a ticket then?

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at June 13, 2020 12:57 PM (m3RIE)

215 The 5-minute video of Demings talking at the impeachment trial, now pinned at the top of her twitter page, is not bad.

Posted by: m at June 13, 2020 12:58 PM (Ij+4T)

216 Contextualize history = White man bad.
Posted by: klaftern at June 13, 2020 12:53 PM (RuIsu)

Like islam, you only need one book!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at June 13, 2020 12:58 PM (iXjtm)

217 The Mizzou president's verbiage was too academic, but translated to English it is *exactly* what should have been said - matched with strong action - the first time this idiocy started up a few years ago.

But decades of dumbing-down and replacement of common sense and knowledge with racist-emotional garbage (this is all that "identity politics" is, in politics, education, culture) have consequences. Up to corporate CEOs etc.
Posted by: rhomboid at June 13, 2020 12:51 PM (El6T/)

I know very little about how state university systems run, and to what extent they answer to state government, but Missouri is about as fully in control of Republicans as a state can get.

I wonder if the current Prez, who would have come in after the silly nonsense of a few years ago, has been given a mandate by the state to not pander to the racist crep that bubbled up last time, when somebody (a black person, it turned out) painted swastikas on the walls with poop.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 13, 2020 12:58 PM (hku12)

218 I'll bet I called that number a thousand times. Sigh.

Me too, girlfriend!

Posted by: Bubba "Karen" Wallace at June 13, 2020 12:58 PM (EgshT)

219 I might revise my Rice odds from 6:1 to 5:1. I agree with people here. It's a good way of rewarding her for being a total asshole for the cause.
Posted by: ... at June 13, 2020 12:38 PM (iUIKZ)

Susan Rice?

Even less black and more Iranian than Obama.

To verify if it is Rice check her ancestry out online.
About a year or so ago when the kerfluffle about planet of the apes came out I checked it out.
Rice had a fawning article at one of those 'discover your ancestry' webpages. They did the full breakdown because it was cool then.

If she is the pick that page will have been purged because it was written before 'planet of the apes' was.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at June 13, 2020 12:58 PM (1g7ch)

220 Demings: black and female and southern
hmm

Posted by: m at June 13, 2020 12:59 PM (Ij+4T)

221 "Oscars: Future Films Must Meet Diversity And Inclusion Rules"

"The Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences on Friday announced a new initiative to expand diversity and inclusion within the filmmaking industry, as it faces renewed criticism over a lack of diverse representation on screen and behind the scenes. The latest effort to de-white-ify the film community, called 'Academy Aperture 2025,' includes a plan to require Oscar nominees to meet certain diversity and inclusion standards."

As if they all woke up and realized the problem was, "Hey. Too *many* people are still watching our awards show."

Posted by: Dan K. at June 13, 2020 01:00 PM (jFfSK)

222 The 5-minute video of Demings talking at the impeachment trial, now pinned at the top of her twitter page, is not bad.

Didn't she still vote to impeach PDT?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - #BrainwashedLivesMatter at June 13, 2020 01:00 PM (HaL55)

223 "At least the razor blades will remain untouched."

You'd be wrong, Cicero. The expensive Gillette razors and blades are very much a high-theft item along with Tide detergent and makeup. Oddly, it's only the men's razors that get stolen, or at least stolen a lot more than women's razors.

The funny thing is, here in the Twin Cities, there were stories about all these poor folks who no longer had a store in their neighborhood. So the guilty white liberals hit all the other stores, buying out diapers, food and yes, Tide. Then they had huge giveaways, which continue. There's so much they almost beg people to take some.

One of my wife's friends is a GWL. She went out and spent a lot of money on this. She then guilted my wife into giving $25 for the fund. The wife looked sheepish, said "I donated to Amee, okay? You know how she gets...."

Posted by: Gordon at June 13, 2020 01:01 PM (NnXXy)

224 That's why it won't be Bottoms. No one with any sense is calling their ticket Biden-Bottoms or any combination thereof. Look at how Trump-Pence looks and sounds. Trumpence. It always factors into the deal.
Posted by: ... at June 13, 2020 12:56 PM (iUIKZ)

Quick, any black wimminz out there somewhere with last name Mytime?

Posted by: BurtTC at June 13, 2020 01:01 PM (hku12)

225 That $6 Million dollar bust may hurt Joe but not his candidacy. He won't be the candidate.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 13, 2020 01:02 PM (F6+/X)

226
That's why it won't be Bottoms. No one with any sense is calling their ticket Biden-Bottoms or any combination thereof.

Biden-Bottoms - Now With COVID Mask Earrings!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at June 13, 2020 01:02 PM (VyOxI)

227 How was Gore on a ticket then?

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at June 13, 2020 12:57 PM (m3RIE)

It was an appeal for the pompous ass vote

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 13, 2020 01:03 PM (HKSY5)

228 203 Uplula will save your thumbs. They make a few different models based on caliber/magazine.
Posted by: lin-duh en fugue at June 13, 2020 12:52 PM (UUBmN)

THIS

Went shooting with a friend and he had one and I was like the Joker looking at the Batman saying "where does he get such marvelous toys?!?"

Have one now.

Posted by: blaster at June 13, 2020 01:03 PM (ZfRYq)

229 Although I will note that I thought Democrats would never have the front to nominate "Obama" because it sounded so much like Osama. Nevermind Hussein. He really snuck up on me. So while I'm pretty good at this stuff, I've gotten some big things wrong.

Posted by: ... at June 13, 2020 01:04 PM (iUIKZ)

230 151 146 Families can't watch their sons and daughters graduate from West Point, but you can riot and loot.
Posted by: SMH at June 13, 2020 12:30 PM (RU4sa)

Can't go to church.
Can't go to a family funeral.
But you can riot and loot. And can gather en masse to worship the corpse of George Floyd.

Fuckers.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at June 13, 2020 12:31 PM (NWiLs)

Idol worship.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 13, 2020 01:04 PM (F6+/X)

231 >>The VP will be the star of the tickt.

Unfortunately, there isn't a single woman under consideration that has anything remotely like star power.

Enthusiasm is a huge part of any campaign and there is almost no enthusiasm for Joe, what support he is generating is almost all anti-Trump and that's not good enough.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 13, 2020 01:04 PM (ZLI7S)

232 225 That $6 Million dollar bust may hurt Joe but not his candidacy. He won't be the candidate.
Posted by: Braenyard at June 13, 2020 01:02 PM (F6+/X)

'splain yourself.

Posted by: m at June 13, 2020 01:06 PM (Ij+4T)

233 >>> 9 Let's establish a Horde Autonomous Zone, and then declare war on all the other autonomous zones and beat their asses and take their shit.
Posted by: Jordan61 at June 13, 2020 11:27 AM (qrX0b)

I want this on the sidebar.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at June 13, 2020 01:06 PM (0ReGO)

234 That's why it won't be Bottoms. No one with any sense is calling their ticket Biden-Bottoms or any combination thereof. Look at how Trump-Pence looks and sounds. Trumpence. It always factors into the deal.

But now I want her as the Veep pick for that reason alone.

Biden-Bottoms. Not to be confused with Underalls.

Or Depends. Some memes just spring forth all on their very own.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - #BrainwashedLivesMatter at June 13, 2020 01:06 PM (HaL55)

235 "The Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences on Friday announced a
new initiative to expand diversity and inclusion within the filmmaking
industry, as it faces renewed criticism over a lack of diverse
representation on screen and behind the scenes. The latest effort to
de-white-ify the film community, called 'Academy Aperture 2025,'
includes a plan to require Oscar nominees to meet certain diversity and
inclusion standards"

I'm old enough to remember when people said affirmative action would lead to quotas they were derided as paranoid.

This will be the law of the land in a year if Biden wins,.

Posted by: Ripley at June 13, 2020 01:06 PM (MxEKc)

236 Biden-Bottoms would be a great brand name for adult diapers.

Posted by: Northernlurker at June 13, 2020 01:07 PM (Uu+Jp)

237 Although I will note that I thought Democrats would never have the front to nominate "Obama" because it sounded so much like Osama. Nevermind Hussein. He really snuck up on me. So while I'm pretty good at this stuff, I've gotten some big things wrong.
Posted by: ... at June 13, 2020 01:04 PM (iUIKZ)

Terrorism works.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at June 13, 2020 01:07 PM (1g7ch)

238 The VP will be the star of the tickt.
Posted by: blaster at June 13, 2020 12:55 PM (ZfRYq)

Which is why I'm damn near sure they're F'd. Honestly, I can't think of anyone who fits the bill.

Little pieces of it here and there, but nobody, and I mean nobody, fills it fully enough.

I guess that's what happens when you are a party of graft, cheating, and identity politics. So sad. I'm almost gonna shed a tear for them.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 13, 2020 01:07 PM (hku12)

239 222 The 5-minute video of Demings talking at the impeachment trial, now pinned at the top of her twitter page, is not bad.

Didn't she still vote to impeach PDT?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy - #BrainwashedLivesMatter at June 13, 2020 01:00 PM (HaL55)

Yes. She's on the other side. But I mean, relative to other videos given by other people on that same side, hers appears to be of a sane person.

Posted by: m at June 13, 2020 01:08 PM (Ij+4T)

240 93 The Goat Prize at West Point is given to the graduating cadet with the lowest GPA. George Custer was the goat of his class.

The prize is a bag full of cash to which all the cadets have contributed.
Posted by: IrishEi at June 13, 2020 12:02 PM (sGotD)

*LT. Charles Brown looking in bag* I got a rock.

Posted by: Catwrangler at June 13, 2020 01:09 PM (dOEVH)

241 So Lady Antebellum in their rush to virtue signal for BLM ended up canceling an actual black woman performer? Geniuses.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 13, 2020 01:09 PM (KZzsI)

242 The Democrat VP candidate will be, in reality, their presidential candidate.
Despite the endorsements I can't see anybody thinking Joe will make it to the inaugural.

Posted by: Northernlurker at June 13, 2020 01:09 PM (Uu+Jp)

243 This will be the law of the land in a year if Biden wins,.
Posted by: Ripley at June 13, 2020 01:06 PM (MxEKc)

It is almost the de facto law of the land now!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at June 13, 2020 01:09 PM (iXjtm)

244 m, that was staged.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at June 13, 2020 01:09 PM (m3RIE)

245 244 m, that was staged.
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at June 13, 2020 01:09 PM (m3RIE)

What, the Demings impeachment video?

Posted by: m at June 13, 2020 01:10 PM (Ij+4T)

246 That part of it, yes.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at June 13, 2020 01:11 PM (m3RIE)

247 189---That might make sense... if Obama was the brains of the outfit, which I can't imagine anyone at this point thinking he was.

The better question is, how's Rice's relationship with the Iranian rat?
Posted by: BurtTC at June 13, 2020 12:49 PM (hku12)
-----------------------------
Yeah, by "Obama" I mean the Chicago commie machine, in which Jarrett is a major cog.

Given that Biden is brain dead, you have to figure the Chicago and Clinton machines (and perhaps others) are vying for control.
If he picks Rice, that would be a clear tell.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 13, 2020 01:11 PM (M/9m0)

248 Enthusiasm is a huge part of any campaign and there is almost no enthusiasm for Joe, what support he is generating is almost all anti-Trump and that's not good enough.
Posted by: JackStraw at June 13, 2020 01:04 PM (ZLI7S)

They need to have a VP who is at least plausible and pretend to campaign.
Too obvious for Biden to just show up on Inauguration Day but not be seen for nine months before.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at June 13, 2020 01:11 PM (1g7ch)

249 232 225 That $6 Million dollar bust may hurt Joe but not his candidacy. He won't be the candidate.
Posted by: Braenyard at June 13, 2020 01:02 PM (F6+/X)

'splain yourself.

Posted by: m at June 13, 2020 01:06 PM (Ij+4T)

I believe the Democrats will not present a man who cannot find his way to the bathroom as a candidate.

Between now and the debates there will be a replacement.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 13, 2020 01:11 PM (F6+/X)

250 I guess there's also always the DC Mayor as a possibility. I don't know much about her but she's certainly been working her anti-Trump bona fides.

Posted by: ... at June 13, 2020 01:11 PM (uEbPt)

251 If Joe wants to look vibrant he should grow out that mullet again.

Posted by: Northernlurker at June 13, 2020 01:12 PM (Uu+Jp)

252 Oh. Well, effectively, then!

Posted by: m at June 13, 2020 01:12 PM (Ij+4T)

253 Although I will note that I thought Democrats would never have the front to nominate "Obama" because it sounded so much like Osama. Nevermind Hussein. He really snuck up on me. So while I'm pretty good at this stuff, I've gotten some big things wrong.
Posted by: ... at June 13, 2020 01:04 PM (iUIKZ)

Hindsight is often quite useful for many things in life, and it prepares us for the next time, if we remember what we learned from THIS time.

However... what I've learned in my lifetime, is that Presidential races never repeat. Never. There may be small lessons one can learn from the last one, but this one won't be anything like that one.

Obama was a lucky shot. He stumbled into the nomination, for reasons having almost nothing to do with him, and for that brief period of time in our nation's history, he was the empty suit that the country (half of it at least) wanted and needed.

This year, a hollow symbol isn't going to work, but that's all the Democrats offered up.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 13, 2020 01:12 PM (hku12)

254 I played a po-po union gig down here a few years back and the Demings were both there. IIRC, he was the police chief down here at the time.

The guitarist and bassist (a dad and son) got their picture taken with them. I took it, and mostly just stayed out of the way because I knew they were both Dems.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - #BrainwashedLivesMatter at June 13, 2020 01:12 PM (HaL55)

255 Even here at patriotic AoS, imo "we" are too hesitant to ever directly claim any pride in our "white privilege" heritage (not supremacist pride, just recognition of the liberty we found, and may lose). Many of our families rose from relative obscurity to ... not nobility, but to a very satisfying Americana culture that came from opportunity and self reliance, not privilege.

The real struggle of the little guy (serf) against the owner/power class (nobility) goes back through the Old Testament ... or to Adam perhaps, defying God (and the Godly rules) in order to have some worldly thing. Satan himself ... pride was found in him, he wanted to be God. The real struggle continues for every man ... this is life.

USA is the one government that recognizes man's sovereignty before God, with those God given rights. But "Black Lives Matter" really means whites must surrender all you have, blacks are Supreme. The phrase doesn't directly say that, but in practice it is clear ... people are fired and beaten if they say All Lives Matter, or they have their business burned (with or without insurance). MLK is obsolete to these racists.

The academic arguments against this tyranny are useful I suppose, but tedious, in that such blatant anti-white, anti-Western culture tyranny has no foundation in reality, it is blind hate and raw communism, based in racism, but more deeply, bigotry against the free man and his American Liberty.

Zerohedge has a letter from a UC Berkeley history professor who writes anonymously ... delivered via tracy beanz ... allegedly his identity confirmed by Thomas Sowell and ? I forget who else. The link is zero hedge.

https://tinyurl.com/y7zdvhnj

Posted by: illiniwek at June 13, 2020 01:13 PM (Cus5s)

256 If you haven't seen the video of the young guy twirling sticks (well, trying to) in some kind of bizarre martial arts display while "defending" the "farm" at CHAZ, do so (all over the twatters).

It's so idiotic, and hilarious. And perfectly sums up how ridiculous it all is.

It's so stupid I've mostly ignored it, though I understand the shiny object value here. I think it will be gone and mostly forgotten pretty soon.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 13, 2020 01:13 PM (El6T/)

257 249 232 225 That $6 Million dollar bust may hurt Joe but not his candidacy. He won't be the candidate.
Posted by: Braenyard at June 13, 2020 01:02 PM (F6+/X)

'splain yourself.

Posted by: m at June 13, 2020 01:06 PM (Ij+4T)

I believe the Democrats will not present a man who cannot find his way to the bathroom as a candidate.

Between now and the debates there will be a replacement.
Posted by: Braenyard at June 13, 2020 01:11 PM (F6+/X)

Huh. O.k. Thanks.

Posted by: m at June 13, 2020 01:13 PM (Ij+4T)

258 Hi Jack Straw.
Pretty disheartening day (again) yesterday WRT to Flynn.

What do you suspect will be in their "opinion"?

Posted by: Getcha Pull at June 13, 2020 01:13 PM (aR6C/)

259 The donks are playing a Game of Chicken. And that's a better flick than Game of Thrones.

Posted by: klaftern at June 13, 2020 01:14 PM (RuIsu)

260 No matter how many times communism is repudiated, the precepts of Marxism are ever fresh to the minds of our idiot classes. These people have been over-educated and miseducated to the point of lunacy, and they are passionately sure that the ramblings of that dead white male Marx hold the secret to our salvation.

Posted by: RalphF at June 13, 2020 01:15 PM (B4RPl)

261 Sorry, CC, this was in reply to you, and got lost.

246 That part of it, yes.
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at June 13, 2020 01:11 PM (m3RIE)

252 Oh. Well, effectively, then!
Posted by: m at June 13, 2020 01:12 PM (Ij+4T)

Posted by: m at June 13, 2020 01:15 PM (Ij+4T)

262 The prize is a bag full of cash to which all the cadets have contributed.
Posted by: IrishEi at June 13, 2020 12:02 PM (sGotD)

*LT. Charles Brown looking in bag* I got a rock.
Posted by: Catwrangler at June 13, 2020 01:09 PM (dOEVH)

$1 per graduating cadet. Graduating class size is now around 1200 so that's not a bad haul.

Posted by: blaster at June 13, 2020 01:15 PM (ZfRYq)

263 The Democrat VP candidate will be, in reality, their presidential candidate.
Despite the endorsements I can't see anybody thinking Joe will make it to the inaugural.
Posted by: Northernlurker at June 13, 2020 01:09 PM (Uu+Jp)

While I'm surely not predicting it, killing the old coot sure does make a lot of sense for them.

And don't call me a river in Egypt.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 13, 2020 01:16 PM (hku12)

264 The Democrat VP candidate will be, in reality, their presidential candidate.
Despite the endorsements I can't see anybody thinking Joe will make it to the inaugural.
Posted by: Northernlurker at June 13, 2020 01:09 PM (Uu+Jp)

But the campaign will be run for Biden. They can't run simultaneous campaigns for two different people for president because it will undermine their message about how "tough" and "strong" Joe is. The average schmo won't vote with the VP in mind. They will be deciding on Biden vs Trump.

And I *can* see their slogan being something really out there like:

Biden-Demings
Ready on Day One

Posted by: ... at June 13, 2020 01:17 PM (uEbPt)

265 m, I saw it. She was being groomed very early

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at June 13, 2020 01:17 PM (m3RIE)

266 Excellent videos by brilliant and thoughtful men.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at June 13, 2020 01:17 PM (eJn7u)

267

While I'm surely not predicting it, killing the old coot sure does make a lot of sense for them.

And don't call me a river in Egypt.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 13, 2020 01:16 PM (hku12)

The lying at Joe's funeral will be spectacular.

Posted by: Northernlurker at June 13, 2020 01:18 PM (Uu+Jp)

268 Forget Moochelle.

The Democrats don't take a piss without taking a poll first, and if they were sure--and had the numbers to back up that Moochelle would beat Trump, Joe would have been shit canned already.

Moochelle probably doesn't want to run anyway, but she certainly ain't gonna run only to LOSE to Trump.

Posted by: JoeF. at June 13, 2020 01:18 PM (CqE5x)

269 250 I guess there's also always the DC Mayor as a possibility. I don't know much about her but she's certainly been working her anti-Trump bona fides.
Posted by: ... at June 13, 2020 01:11 PM (uEbPt)

Yeah, no.

So now you get Biden-Bowser. Biden will get 90%+ of the DC vote. No one outside of DC has heard of her, and while I know nothing other than rumors, she presents as very butch.

Posted by: blaster at June 13, 2020 01:18 PM (ZfRYq)

270 While I'm surely not predicting it, killing the old coot sure does make a lot of sense for them.

I don't think that'd be necessary. I believe he'll just wander off somewhere for a couple of days while a panicked DNC issues the nation's biggest Silver Alert evah.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - #BrainwashedLivesMatter at June 13, 2020 01:20 PM (HaL55)

271 This is a pretty good rant on the twitters.

https://mobile.twitter.com/COsweda/status
/1271672122767585281

Posted by: BifBewalski - sinis est culus at June 13, 2020 01:20 PM (VcFUs)

272 Demings might be a good pick in that (1) she can form sentences without sounding like a complete loon, (2) she looks nice, and (3) she's a former cop, which might appeal to the many independents who are turned off by the "defund-the-police" set.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 13, 2020 01:20 PM (M/9m0)

273 >>What do you suspect will be in their "opinion"?

I really don't know. We are so far outside the bounds of normal order and precedent I'm just guessing like everyone else.

It sure sounds like Wilkins wants to let Sullivan continue, Rao wants to end it and Henderson is the swing. Henderson did ask some interesting questions of Wall about the DOJ trying to correct prosecutorial issues but appellate judges are notoriously shy about criticizing other judges and Sullivan has been around a long time.

The real sick part of this is everyone knows Flynn is never going to spend a day in jail because Trump will pardon him if necessary and all of this is unnecessary and just punishing an innocent man.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 13, 2020 01:20 PM (ZLI7S)

274 Even here at patriotic AoS, imo "we" are too hesitant to ever directly claim any pride in our "white privilege" heritage ...

Posted by: illiniwek at June 13, 2020 01:13 PM (Cus5s)

I have no more pride in my skin color than I do in my spleen or my bile duct.

I didn't write the Constitution, and I didn't found Christianity.

All those things were given to me. I find it rather silly to view any of it with pride. I come to it with profound humility and gratitude. Pretty much the opposite of pride.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 13, 2020 01:20 PM (hku12)

275 So now you get Biden-Bowser

Better call the Mario Brothers.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at June 13, 2020 01:21 PM (NWiLs)

276
I guess that's what happens when you are a party of graft, cheating, and identity politics. So sad. I'm almost gonna shed a tear for them.

It also is what happens when you won't abandon entrenched seniority in leadership positions. Think about it: Biden, Pelosi, Schumer, Boyer, Clyburn ... the list goes on and on ... are all well past their expiration date.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at June 13, 2020 01:21 PM (VyOxI)

277 I stick with Yogi Berra on predictions, in general, but I'd bet $5 one of the dominant "issues" even before summer's over will be Chi-Nah. Because of their behavior in the WuFlu episode, and their losing and increasingly desperate struggle in our trade war with them. And in this like most other areas, Biden (any Dem really) has zero oxygen here, while Trump owns the landscape (yes, I'm proud of my wildly mixed metaphors).

And somewhere yesterday I saw a short clip of Tedros (WHO - though how he's still there I have no idea) that was quite disturbing. Some kind of bar. He's dressed .... well, not sure how to describe it - short shorts, open shirt, seemingly a not-that-there's-anything-wrong-with-that kind of environment. Yowzah.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 13, 2020 01:22 PM (El6T/)

278 I have no more pride in my skin color than I do in my spleen or my bile duct.

I try to glorify God, and focus on him. How I appear is kind of irrelevant.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 13, 2020 01:22 PM (KZzsI)

279 How can we blame China for anything? Geez, it's at least 15,000 miles away.

Posted by: klaftern at June 13, 2020 01:23 PM (RuIsu)

280 While I'm surely not predicting it, killing the old coot sure does make a lot of sense for them.

And don't call me a river in Egypt.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 13, 2020 01:16 PM (hku12)

They'll just leave him in a parked car with the windows up.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at June 13, 2020 01:23 PM (1g7ch)

281
I don't think that'd be necessary. I believe he'll just wander off somewhere for a couple of days while a panicked DNC issues the nation's biggest Silver Alert evah.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy - #BrainwashedLivesMatter at June 13, 2020 01:20 PM (HaL55)

He's, uh, ... hiking the Appalachian Trail. Yeah, that's the ticket!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at June 13, 2020 01:24 PM (VyOxI)

282 Obama was a lucky shot. He stumbled into the nomination, for reasons having almost nothing to do with him, and for that brief period of time in our nation's history, he was the empty suit that the country (half of it at least) wanted and needed.

This year, a hollow symbol isn't going to work, but that's all the Democrats offered up.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 13, 2020 01:12 PM (hku12)

You are 100% right. Obama really was the Perfect Storm of media influence, clever marketing, a "safe looking" black guy, white guilt, and loser opposition.

2012 he was the incumbent and got to run against one of the slimiest seeming (and slimiest in actuality) milquestoast and spineless men on the planet.

Media influence and white guilt are but a shadow of what they once were for sure. But marketing still works which is why Trump has this thing wrapped.

Posted by: ... at June 13, 2020 01:24 PM (uEbPt)

283 Demings might be a good pick in that (1) she can form sentences without sounding like a complete loon, (2) she looks nice, and (3) she's a former cop, which might appeal to the many independents who are turned off by the "defund-the-police" set.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 13, 2020 01:20 PM (M/9m0)

I agree with this. She also checks more boxes than Harris.

Posted by: JoeF. at June 13, 2020 01:24 PM (CqE5x)

284 A Biden-Bowser sounds like a device to locate a Biden.

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at June 13, 2020 01:24 PM (Uu+Jp)

285
They'll just leave him in a parked car with the windows up.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at June 13, 2020 01:23 PM (1g7ch)

LOL!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at June 13, 2020 01:24 PM (VyOxI)

286 Demings might be a good pick in that (1) she can form sentences without sounding like a complete loon, (2) she looks nice, and (3) she's a former cop, which might appeal to the many independents who are turned off by the "defund-the-police" set.

I wonder what will happen to her when the rest of RussiaGate Hoax is made public? Those campaign ads will pretty much write themselves.

And the Veep debates will be good, too. If Pence has the cojones to bring up her vote to impeach PDT when the whole thing was a Democrat psy-op.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - #BrainwashedLivesMatter at June 13, 2020 01:25 PM (HaL55)

287 Media influence and white guilt are but a shadow of what they once were for sure. But marketing still works which is why Trump has this thing wrapped.
Posted by: ... at June 13, 2020 01:24 PM (uEbPt)

You see that commercial the Trump campaign put out the other day?
Biden can't compete with THAT.

Posted by: JoeF. at June 13, 2020 01:25 PM (CqE5x)

288 I don't think that'd be necessary. I believe he'll just wander off somewhere for a couple of days while a panicked DNC issues the nation's biggest Silver Alert evah.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy - #BrainwashedLivesMatter at June 13, 2020 01:20 PM (HaL55)

His minders will accidentally leave his locater ankle bracelet disarmed.

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at June 13, 2020 01:26 PM (Uu+Jp)

289 The thing is, the VP doesn't win any elections. The only thing the Dems care about here is getting the right sort of person in the oval office, since they and we all know Biden isn't going to last long in office before stroking out or resigning (or being removed from office).

Kamala Harris was their pick. She was detonated by Tulsi Gabbard in one of the debates, and that infuriated the DNC machine, but they can back door her into the Oval Office this way, while checking off blackish and female in the process. And her negatives? Well the press is fine at making those disappear.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 13, 2020 01:27 PM (KZzsI)

290 You see that commercial the Trump campaign put out the other day?
Biden can't compete with THAT.
Posted by: JoeF. at June 13, 2020 01:25 PM (CqE5x)

I saw a good one but I don't know if it's the one you mean. I also think "the best is yet to come" is the single best political slogan - and cleverest pieces of any kind of marketing - of my lifetime.

Posted by: ... at June 13, 2020 01:28 PM (uEbPt)

291 >>>Obama really was the Perfect Storm of media influence, clever marketing, a "safe looking" black guy, white guilt, and loser opposition.

Media support and burying his past.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at June 13, 2020 01:29 PM (1g7ch)

292 I don't think that'd be necessary. I believe he'll just wander off somewhere for a couple of days while a panicked DNC issues the nation's biggest Silver Alert evah.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy - #BrainwashedLivesMatter at June 13, 2020 01:20 PM (HaL55)

If Joe is elected, our nation's economy will revolve around Nigerian princes secret holdings and reverse mortgages.

Oh, and walkin bathtubs.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 13, 2020 01:30 PM (hku12)

293 I saw a good one but I don't know if it's the one you mean. I also think "the best is yet to come" is the single best political slogan - and cleverest pieces of any kind of marketing - of my lifetime.

And a great tune, too -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ge9_5KQHRw4

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - #BrainwashedLivesMatter at June 13, 2020 01:32 PM (HaL55)

294 The Vanderleun piece is really nice. I laughed and laughed until, suddenly, the sad parts, and they are very sad. He's very good.

https://preview.tinyurl.com/y8dyparc

Posted by: m at June 13, 2020 01:33 PM (Ij+4T)

295 I wish I could afford to get my mom a walk in bathtub.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 13, 2020 01:33 PM (KZzsI)

296 The real sick part of this is everyone knows Flynn is never going to spend a day in jail because Trump will pardon him if necessary and all of this is unnecessary and just punishing an innocent man.
Posted by: JackStraw at June 13, 2020 01:20 PM (ZLI7S)

The Founders would surely be physically ill at how the law has been subverted into some retarded version of chess with obtuse lava light shifting rules understandable to no regular citizen. And in John Roberts we have the highest court in the country being led by an asshoe unwilling to do a fucking thing to rectify that.

Posted by: Captain Hate at June 13, 2020 01:33 PM (y7DUB)

297 274 I have no more pride in my skin color than I do in my spleen or my bile duct.

I didn't write the Constitution, and I didn't found Christianity.

All those things were given to me. I find it rather silly to view any of it with pride. I come to it with profound humility and gratitude. Pretty much the opposite of pride.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 13, 2020 01:20 PM (hku12)

agreed

Posted by: m at June 13, 2020 01:34 PM (Ij+4T)

298 286---I wonder what will happen to her when the rest of RussiaGate Hoax is made public? Those campaign ads will pretty much write themselves.....

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - #BrainwashedLivesMatter at June 13, 2020 01:25 PM (HaL55)
------------------------------------------------
Few people know or will know about the hoax. The media has dropped the "Trump is a Russian agent" crap but no one will been held to account.
Makes sense, given that the MSM was a major player in the deceit.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 13, 2020 01:35 PM (M/9m0)

299 "Will been."

New tense invented!

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 13, 2020 01:38 PM (M/9m0)

300 gardening thread is up

Posted by: m at June 13, 2020 01:38 PM (Ij+4T)

301 Posted by: JackStraw at June 13, 2020 01:20 PM (ZLI7S)

The Founders would surely be physically ill at how the law has been subverted into some retarded version of chess with obtuse lava light shifting rules understandable to no regular citizen. And in John Roberts we have the highest court in the country being led by an asshoe unwilling to do a fucking thing to rectify that.
Posted by: Captain Hate at June 13, 2020 01:33 PM (y7DUB)

Once upon a time, civilized society allowed for the limited use of duels to settle disputes.

We became less civilized when spineless twerps could hide behind the letter of the law, and never have to worry about suffering a scratch as a consequence of hounding better men into prison, poverty, and an early grave.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 13, 2020 01:38 PM (hku12)

302 Future past

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at June 13, 2020 01:39 PM (ek8Zc)

303 "Race is the means, socialism is the ends."

Clearly this was stolen from the DNC (c. 1960s) playbook:

"Race is the means, political power is the ends."

Just ask any conservative African-American (oops, I mean Black)

Posted by: socalcon at June 13, 2020 01:40 PM (Roy2Z)

304 Here's Biden on The View.

Can't find a utube of it, sorry, this is a twitter.

Look at the shock on their faces. They try to prop him up but it doesn't work. He does not make one complete thought much less a sentence.

https://t.co/rWZmViMSWe

Posted by: Braenyard at June 13, 2020 01:41 PM (eg2vB)

305 Heh, could've been second, but I went out to practice and then came back to watch Thomas Sowell.

Thank you for including him. He's such a giant. Calmly crushes idiocies with brutal facts. Brutal, but he's very polite about it.

Posted by: t-bird at June 13, 2020 01:50 PM (l0Lgi)

306 I come to it with profound humility and gratitude. Pretty much the opposite of pride.

I used to be proud to be an American until I lived in divided Berlin. Then I became a grateful American.

Posted by: t-bird at June 13, 2020 01:53 PM (AytXr)

307 Biden will have to be pumped full of drugs in order to get out of the basement and campaign.

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at June 13, 2020 01:54 PM (Uu+Jp)

308 Reparations now, Reparations tomorrow, Reparations forever!

Posted by: Pandering Joe Biden, Raycist at June 13, 2020 01:56 PM (Z+IKu)

309 Obama didn't have a past. Made one out of hole cloth.

Posted by: klaftern at June 13, 2020 01:57 PM (RuIsu)

310 ------------------------------------------------
Few people know or will know about the hoax. The media has dropped the "Trump is a Russian agent" crap but no one will been held to account.
Makes sense, given that the MSM was a major player in the deceit.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 13, 2020 01:35 PM (M/9m0)
------------

It's absolutely amazing, if the media doesn't print it
it doesn't exist. Stop expressing Russia for three days and then "Covid-19 Plague" and all preceding is wiped clean from memory, like with a rag.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 13, 2020 01:57 PM (eg2vB)

311 108

Awww. Tank abrams and "that woman" whitmer are not on joe's list for VP.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 13, 2020 12:10 PM

Funny... I do not see Gretchen Whitmer on the list...

Bwahahahaha!

--- Senator Elizabeth Warren (D-MA)
--- Senator Kamala Harris (D-CA)
--- Susan Rice (former President Obama's national security adviser)
--- Congresswoman Val Demings (D-FL)
--- Atlanta Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms (D)
--- New Mexico Governor Michelle Lujan Grisham (D)

4 Black women, 1 White woman and 1 White woman pretending to be an Indian woman (feathers not dots).

And only 2 with any executive experience (Atlanta Mayor and NM Governor).

Governor Grisham has been Governor since JAN 2019.

Atlanta Mayor Bottoms has been Mayor since JAN 2018. And won a runoff election in DEC 2017 by less than 1000 votes against Independent Mary Norwood. 50.4% to 49.6%.

Looking at this solely from a political perspective, Florida is a toss-up state. Donald Trump won Florida by 113,000 votes in 2016. 49% to 47.8%. Florida has 29 EV. That would be a HUGE flip for the Democrat Party.

So, strategically, choosing a Florida politician as his running mate seems to make sense.

That said, Val Demings' previous position before becoming a Congresswoman? Chief of Police of the Orlando Police Department.

Not sure how well that will go over in our current political environment...

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at June 13, 2020 02:04 PM (Do5/p)

312 300 gardening thread is up

The folks in Seattle will learn something then?

Posted by: dingbat at June 13, 2020 02:06 PM (PMMrm)

313 Yesterday was the fourth anniversary of the Pulse Night Club shooting, one of the worst massacres in our history.

Oh. Did The Narrative forget to tell you?

Posted by: ... at June 13, 2020 02:08 PM (iUIKZ)

314 163

Yep, it's true. Someone here had the numbers the other day and Trump pulled more votes than both biden and sanders got.

Said it before but it bears repeating, Trump has broke vote total records for an incumbent President in every single primary we have had this year. In more than a few cases he doubled the vote totals that obama got in 2012 and in one case tripled them.

Republican turnout is not going to be a problem in November.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 13, 2020 12:39 PM

Which is why the push for keeping lockdown an option for "second wave" and why the push for mail-in votes across the country. It seems they know they need to cheat in order to win.

And also why they are already putting the notion out there that "Trump will cheat to win". So they are calling into question the legitimacy of the election results 5 months before the election even takes place. Basically saying that if Trump wins in November, the only way he could have done it is by cheating.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at June 13, 2020 02:09 PM (Do5/p)

315 310---It's absolutely amazing, if the media doesn't print it
it doesn't exist......
Posted by: Braenyard at June 13, 2020 01:57 PM (eg2vB)
-------------------------------------
Yep.
That's why it's true that Obama had a scandal-free administration, even though the crimes were numerous and more serious than Watergate.

A "scandal" is something that shocks and appalls the public. But if the public doesn't know,..........

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 13, 2020 02:11 PM (M/9m0)

316 Hey, has been

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at June 13, 2020 02:12 PM (ek8Zc)

317 Margarita DeVille at June 13, 2020 02:11 PM
Perfectly put.

Posted by: KT at June 13, 2020 02:14 PM (BVQ+1)

318 313 Yesterday was the fourth anniversary of the Pulse Night Club shooting, one of the worst massacres in our history.

Oh. Did The Narrative forget to tell you?
Posted by: ... at June 13, 2020 02:08 PM (iUIKZ)
---------------------------
Huh? Oh, yeah. I vaguely remember that.

It was terrible what those Republican homophobes did.
Just terrible.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 13, 2020 02:15 PM (M/9m0)

319 The T.A.M.I. Show is one of the greatest filmed concerts. Wrecking Crew is the house band.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at June 13, 2020 02:22 PM (ek8Zc)

320 Huh? Oh, yeah. I vaguely remember that.

It was terrible what those Republican homophobes did.

Just terrible.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 13, 2020 02:15 PM (M/9m0)

Then his dad went to the Trump rally!

Posted by: ... at June 13, 2020 02:29 PM (iUIKZ)

321 In my nic is a link to American thinker where they printed an article about reparations. It's brilliant, and I'm amazed it never occurred to me.

Posted by: Chillin the most at June 13, 2020 02:37 PM (lonOK)

322 "I didn't write the Constitution, and I didn't found Christianity.
All those things were given to me. I find it rather silly to view
any of it with pride. I come to it with profound humility and
gratitude. Pretty much the opposite of pride" Posted by: BurtTC

well, there are different meanings of pride. Biblical "pride" is usually bad, as in the opposite of humility, sure, OK. That is not the context for my statement.

from wiki "Pride is an emotional state deriving positive affect from the perceived value of a person or thing with which the subject has an intimate connection. It may be inwardly or outwardly directed. With a negative connotation pride refers to a foolishly and irrationally corrupt sense of one's personal value, status or accomplishments, used synonymously with hubris."

Pride in our children, or our parents, our heritage, has a positive connotation. We are directly connected with that heritage, our parents fought in wars (if we didn't) and were diligent in teaching us Christian ethics. I was contrasting with the "I'm black I'm proud" thing. That is usually tied to the "up from slavery" struggle, also a positive thing, till it was confiscated by the BLM type tyranny.

"In all these things we are more than conquerors" ... imo the Christian should be proud of our beliefs and/or a well raised family and declare them boldly ... and sure, there should be humility To God for all that. Too much "humility" in the face of BLM becomes grovelling and appeasement and cowardice, as we have seen from the cucks.

Vanity vanity ... is not the same ... Merriam Webster gave me this "we might look to Jane Austen's Pride and Prejudice, in which the character Mary opines: 'Vanity and pride are different things, though the words are often used synonymously. A person may be proud without being vain. Pride relates more to our opinion of ourselves, vanity to what we would have others think of us'. "

Posted by: illiniwek at June 13, 2020 02:42 PM (Cus5s)

323 Few people know or will know about the hoax. The media has dropped the "Trump is a Russian agent" crap but no one will been held to account.
Makes sense, given that the MSM was a major player in the deceit.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 13, 2020 01:35 PM (M/9m0)
------------

It's absolutely amazing, if the media doesn't print it
it doesn't exist. Stop expressing Russia for three days and then "Covid-19 Plague" and all preceding is wiped clean from memory, like with a rag.
Posted by: Braenyard at June 13, 2020 01:57 PM (eg2vB)

This is probably a stupid idea, but maybe Trump could pull it off. He should descend in the Hell that is CNN and maybe sit for a live interview with Wolf or whoever and just filibuster about the Russian Hoax and how he was spied on and how CNN among others lied to their viewers for three years. Maybe he won't sway many (who aren't already on his side) but he could succeed in sowing the seeds of doubt in a lot of people's minds when it comes to the Deep State and the media and leave them with a nagging feeling that Trump just might be telling the truth.

I'm just spitballin'

Posted by: JoeF. at June 13, 2020 02:42 PM (CqE5x)

324 The weakness with Adams' provocative thought experiment is that it can be countered by saying the strongest black people were stolen from Africa and ended up building this country instead of that one. And it falls apart.

Posted by: ... at June 13, 2020 02:42 PM (iUIKZ)

325 I'm not saying the counter is *true* - just that it can be countered.

Posted by: ... at June 13, 2020 02:42 PM (iUIKZ)

326 It was terrible what those Republican homophobes did.

Just terrible.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 13, 2020 02:15 PM (M/9m0)

Then his dad went to the Trump rally!
Posted by: ... at June 13, 2020 02:29 PM (iUIKZ)

And sat right behind him --as though they were rubbing in Hillary's face--as he enthusiastically applauded Trump's red meat and rhetoric....

Posted by: JoeF. at June 13, 2020 02:45 PM (CqE5x)

327 The weakness with Adams' provocative thought experiment is that it can be countered by saying the strongest black people were stolen from Africa and ended up building this country instead of that one. And it falls apart.
Posted by: ... at June 13, 2020 02:42 PM (iUIKZ)

But they wouldn't have been able to build anything in Africa even if they wanted to.

It's like the story about how the Dutch "robbed" the Indians by paying them around 30 bucks for all of the island of Manhattan.
It's not like there would be skyscrapers there today if the Indians held onto it...

Posted by: JoeF. at June 13, 2020 02:48 PM (CqE5x)

328

Back in the day, when we were speed bumps to slow Ivan's march through the Fulda Gap, (and I'm not so sure he COULD have rolled us) I was a very proud American.

Getting a good look across the Berlin Wall, I became a proud and grateful American, something that has never changed.

You may wish to pause occasionally and consider just how fortunate we are, current woes notwithstanding.

And say "Thank God I am an American."

Posted by: irongrampa at June 13, 2020 02:49 PM (KATBx)

329
This is probably a stupid idea, but maybe Trump
could pull it off. He should descend in the Hell that is CNN and maybe
sit for a live interview with Wolf or whoever and just filibuster about
the Russian Hoax and how he was spied on and how CNN among others lied
to their viewers for three years. Maybe he won't sway many (who aren't
already on his side) but he could succeed in sowing the seeds of doubt
in a lot of people's minds when it comes to the Deep State and the media
and leave them with a nagging feeling that Trump just might be
telling the truth.

I'm just spitballin'

Posted by: JoeF. at June 13, 2020 02:42 PM (CqE5x)

Trump will do most of what he needs to do during the debates. And there will be debates. Even though I thought he was going to win anyway, his debate strategy last time around wiped the floor with Hillary and probably put him over the top. What he did was magnificent. I was in awe.

None of it was surface. It was all under the radar. Almost (but not quite) hypnotic. I'm not talking about his witty repartee, although those didn't hurt.

Posted by: ... at June 13, 2020 02:49 PM (iUIKZ)

330 The weakness with Adams' provocative thought experiment is that it can be countered by saying the strongest black people were stolen from Africa and ended up building this country instead of that one. And it falls apart.
Posted by: ... at June 13, 2020 02:42 P

That makes sense, but I'd be inclined to think that surely in the 400 years since other strong people would have been born in Africa. But I admit I'm coming from the position that reparations are a stupid idea.

Posted by: Chillin the most at June 13, 2020 02:51 PM (lonOK)

331 Sounds like the former police chief is his strongest pick.

Posted by: LASue at June 13, 2020 02:53 PM (pjkaY)

332 But they wouldn't have been able to build anything in Africa even if they wanted to.

It's like the story about how the Dutch "robbed" the Indians by paying them around 30 bucks for all of the island of Manhattan.

It's not like there would be skyscrapers there today if the Indians held onto it...

Posted by: JoeF. at June 13, 2020 02:48 PM (CqE5x)

I get it but once you have to make that argument, we are at *least* back to the drawing board - and what's more you end up sounding triply racist and whatever argument you initially made (Adams' argument) is now severely compromised because *I* just demonstrated that you seem to be arguing from a position of "blacks are inferior". Which only bolsters my contention that reparations are needed.

The entire "reparations" thing is based on bs. Obama's family were slave *owners* for one, but he married a slave family, so how does that get calculated, do they cancel each other out? It's twisted logic and faulty math and Adams is trying to demonstrate this by using keen logic and clever math to beat the Democrats at their shitty game.

All I'm doing is illustrating how Democrats play the game *better* because they don't need logic or math, they just need emotion and to paint "you" as the villain. You could say I have the easy part, but I think my counter is actually a very good one in the realm of "persuasion" because of where it pins you/Adams on the board.

Posted by: ... at June 13, 2020 02:59 PM (iUIKZ)

333 the "white heritage" we are condemned for is not about skin color, which is why I put "white heritage" in quotes. No, it is not about our whiteness, it IS about the WASPy heritage that gave us founders intent on empowering individual sovereignty for man before his God.

Some of that has been lost, but mostly, our WW2 era parents maintained much of it, as the leftists infiltrated and invaded, intent on breaking our families and Christian bonds. But too many bend the knee to leftist concepts ... which THEY insist on tying to our whiteness. Well, there is a link ... but it is correlation, not causation ... and the correlation is fading since white people (out of imposed White Guilt) surrender the identity of their forefathers on the altar of "progressiveness".

Guilt ... is also an opposite of (the positive kind of) Pride.

Posted by: illiniwek at June 13, 2020 03:01 PM (Cus5s)

334 That makes sense, but I'd be inclined to think that
surely in the 400 years since other strong people would have been born
in Africa. But I admit I'm coming from the position that reparations are
a stupid idea.

Posted by: Chillin the most at June 13, 2020 02:51 PM (lonOK)

You're 100% right. What I said was basically a cheap trick but it *is* the hole that Adams left in his argument. There's always a hole when you are in an unfair game. And "reparations" is just another in a very long line of unfair games from Democrats.

Their game is essentially pin the tail on the donkey. We're the donkey. We move around. They always have the pin. But DJT has pins of his own and uses those pins to pull back the curtain on who the real donkey is, which is why they hate him so much.

Posted by: ... at June 13, 2020 03:06 PM (iUIKZ)

335 Thaviola Glymph

Sounds like one of the relatives on the Addams Family.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 13, 2020 12:47 PM (aKsyK)

Sounds like something they prescribe penicillin for.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 13, 2020 03:12 PM (RLot7)

336 A Biden-Bowser sounds like a device to locate a Biden.
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at June 13, 2020 01:24 PM (Uu+Jp)

Bowsers are fuel tankers used to fill up airplanes.

And a once-popular dog name.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 13, 2020 03:23 PM (RLot7)

337 I'm procrastinating bigly here and there is no place to talk about anything because this is two threads old but hey...

Remember when "Joker" came out and the media acted all scared for three weeks that there was going to be a mass movement that might result in *violence*???? Remember...?

Posted by: ... at June 13, 2020 03:25 PM (iUIKZ)

338 The weakness with Adams' provocative thought experiment is that it can be countered by saying the strongest black people were stolen from Africa and ended up building this country instead of that one. And it falls apart.
Posted by: ... at June 13, 2020 02:42 P

So the strongest people in Africa were enslaved by the weaker people there and then sold to the Europeans?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 13, 2020 03:29 PM (2PLLn)

339 Its easier for women to kneel cause they closer to the ground.

Posted by: Federal Department of Emotional Engineering at June 13, 2020 03:36 PM (x8APX)

340 332. Actually the natives thought they were getting over on the Dutch. They had no concept of land ownership per se.

Posted by: kallisto at June 13, 2020 03:37 PM (3uHwI)

341 Yesterday was the fourth anniversary of the Pulse Night Club shooting, one of the worst massacres in our history.

Oh. Did The Narrative forget to tell you?
Posted by: ... at June 13, 2020 02:08 PM (iUIKZ)

Hey! Let's nominate the Police Chief for Vice President!

/just shooting from the hip

Posted by: Burnt Toast at June 13, 2020 03:47 PM (1g7ch)

342 Yes Camille, nature is always there waiting patiently to take us back home, to make us part of the food chain again.

Posted by: DFCtomm at June 13, 2020 03:53 PM (50gG9)

343 reprise: Biden will not be the Democrat presidential nominee at the debates.

https://t.co/rWZmViMSWe

Posted by: Braenyard at June 13, 2020 03:53 PM (eg2vB)

344 I have no more pride in my skin color than I do in my spleen or my bile duct.

I didn't write the Constitution, and I didn't found Christianity.

All those things were given to me. I find it rather silly to view
any of it with pride. I come to it with profound humility and
gratitude. Pretty much the opposite of pride.

Posted by: BurtTC

That's beautiful, Burt. And exactly right. Thanks so much for that.

Posted by: lakemonster at June 13, 2020 03:59 PM (ukhtT)

345 If you only focus on the black cases and never mention the white then it gives a distorted impression. It makes certain groups believe that the problem, and there is one, is something that it isn't. It isn't racism. It's that the police are out of control. There is a reason for that but it's a completely separate issue.

Posted by: DFCtomm at June 13, 2020 04:00 PM (50gG9)

346 The CDC is threatening to shut us down again if Kung flu cases spike. But more testing increases more positives. First, the cdc has no authority to buy me bubblegum, let alone locking me inside my house. Second, I don't think Trump will go down that path again. It's not as lethal to non-compromized people and he knows that now.

Posted by: Megthered at June 13, 2020 04:04 PM (E3Xj6)

347 All those things were given to me.

Posted by: BurtTC

pos�ter�i�ty
Learn to pronounce
noun
all future generations of people.

They weren't given to you. You were charged with protecting those things created by your fathers so that you could give them to your sons. You've failed miserably.

Posted by: DFCtomm at June 13, 2020 04:04 PM (50gG9)

348 Posted by: DFCtomm at June 13, 2020 04:00 PM (50gG9) You posted 2 completely obtuse things! Is English your first language?

Posted by: Chillin the most at June 13, 2020 04:07 PM (lonOK)

349 "They weren't given to you. You were charged with
protecting those things created by your fathers so that you could give
them to your sons. You've failed miserably." Posted by: DFCtomm

yes, a good point ... I probably stumbled in trying to say we have to fight a little harder for what we admired in our parents ... (assuming the were like most of that "greatest" generation).

Bending the knee (figuratively) before God is humility, bending the knee to the commies/pagans/etc. is submission/fear, and/or "serving other gods".

Posted by: illiniwek at June 13, 2020 04:19 PM (Cus5s)

350 Is English your first language?
Posted by: Chillin the most at June 13, 2020 04:07 PM (lonOK)

I get your point about writing, but you completely missed mine about responsibility. We are know and understand why boomercons hate the word posterity.

Posted by: DFCtomm at June 13, 2020 04:20 PM (50gG9)

351 159 Maybe Barron will go to West Point.
Posted by: m at June 13, 2020 12:38 PM (Ij+4T)

Air Force Academy, commission into the Space Force.

Posted by: Fox2! at June 13, 2020 04:34 PM (qyH+l)

352 Hey! Let's nominate the Police Chief for Vice President!
/just shooting from the hip
Posted by: Burnt Toast at June 13, 2020 03:47 PM (1g7ch)

LOL good point

Posted by: ... at June 13, 2020 04:40 PM (uEbPt)

353 So the strongest people in Africa were enslaved by the weaker people there and then sold to the Europeans?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 13, 2020 03:29 PM (2PLLn)

Yes, groups of them. Anyway don't challenge me I'm a Democrat.

Posted by: ... at June 13, 2020 04:41 PM (uEbPt)

354 I think the Democrats run Barack Obama for president, with Biden as VP. Violates the Constitution you say? They say you don't have standing to sue. Democrats don't care about laws or Constitutions - they're more than 200 years old and just paper anyway.

Roberts calls it a tax - so abra cadabra - he is in. Hey if Democratic governors can get away with murdering 13,000 elderly people with bio-weapons, Obama can run for a third term. Which is the bigger crime?

Posted by: An Observation at June 13, 2020 05:20 PM (g4xFT)

355 https://tinyurl.com/ybezcq78

Finally a company who refuses to kneel.

Posted by: idlan at June 13, 2020 06:01 PM (exEdc)

356 It is hereby decreed, henceforth and for all time, that all men now and forever shall declare all residents of alleged "autonomous zones," their sympathizers and enablers shall forever after be named as "CHAZIS." So let it be written, so let it be. Selah.

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at June 13, 2020 06:25 PM (XX9+E)

357 Ildan, thanks for sharing that. Amazing (and sad) that simply speaking such truths is so breathtakingly daring now. What a good, brave CEO.

Posted by: lakemonster at June 13, 2020 06:36 PM (ukhtT)

358 Oh rats, make that "idlan". . . sorry *insert sheepish mistakey face*

Posted by: lakemonster at June 13, 2020 06:37 PM (ukhtT)

359 Communists have openly taken control of portions of America cities.

Some of you are even laughing about it.

...while you wait for the lying Big Government you hate and distrust ...to do something about it.

#ClownWorld.

Posted by: The Knave at June 13, 2020 07:57 PM (0xRBd)

360 Locals used to call this area the "Swish Alps."

Posted by: Nan G at June 13, 2020 10:11 PM (ReJEd)

361 Move past clueless, Joe Biden is the tool to enable his vice-President to become President. First Coup attempt the President, then one anarchy move after another. Has someone patented a method to brainwash the clueless?
They out to become richer than Bill Gates !

Posted by: ron n. at June 14, 2020 05:34 PM (om5HK)

362 Conservatives for the last 70 years.

Pro-White action? Absolutely NOT!
More kneegrow worship? Yes PLEASE!!!!

Posted by: mGrant at June 15, 2020 12:38 PM (r5iyh)

363 Test

Posted by: ShainS at June 16, 2020 12:52 PM (Bo0jf)

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