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The Morning Rant: Minimalist Edition
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Hello monkey thread!
Posted by: Laughing in Texas at May 28, 2020 11:00 AM (DiT5w)
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not first
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 28, 2020 11:01 AM (LvTSG)
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Today's the day
Posted by: IrishEi at May 28, 2020 11:01 AM (sGotD)
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HQ's been weird this morning.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 28, 2020 11:01 AM (LvTSG)
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Corgis called.
Posted by: Laughing in Texas at May 28, 2020 11:01 AM (DiT5w)
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Monkey!
Posted by: BunkerInTheBurbs at May 28, 2020 11:01 AM (gfStp)
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...big news Thursday. It's a tradition.
Posted by: IrishEi at May 28, 2020 11:01 AM (sGotD)
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So Russia, Ukraine, Chinese flu weren't enough? Now we have race riots? The Libs are in ecstasy...Oh, and good morning
Posted by: It's me donna at May 28, 2020 11:01 AM (Zmnko)
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Does not help that it is nearly impossible to be fired as a police officer.
Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at May 28, 2020 11:02 AM (svbBD)
Posted by: Laughing in Texas at May 28, 2020 11:02 AM (DiT5w)
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Oh good, a new thread. I was getting lost in the last one.
Posted by: Diogenes at May 28, 2020 11:02 AM (axyOa)
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90+% of the country can discern that both resisting arrest and police brutality are bad.
I am so very tired of having the MSM and activists pounce on one of these incidents and depict it in broad terms - you must side with the black alleged criminal or the white policeman arresting him.
No, we don't have to side with either of them.
I am so very tired of having the MSM and activists pounce on one of these incidents and depict it in broad terms - you must side with the black alleged criminal or the white policeman arresting him.
No, we don't have to side with either of them.
Posted by: Lizzyi at May 28, 2020 11:03 AM (bDqIh)
Posted by: It's me donna at May 28, 2020 11:03 AM (Zmnko)
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is it safe?
Posted by: SturmToddler at May 28, 2020 11:03 AM (8D42x)
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Does not help that it is nearly impossible to be fired as a police officer.
Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at May 28, 2020 11:02 AM (svbBD)
Thanks JFK.
Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at May 28, 2020 11:02 AM (svbBD)
Thanks JFK.
Posted by: Deep State 910 at May 28, 2020 11:03 AM (qLs5f)
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I care a lot more about whether I and mine go home at the end of some donut-sucking revenuer's shift than whether the donut-sucking revenuer does.
Posted by: Still Zap Rowsdower old friend you've managed to kill just about everyone else at May 28, 2020 11:04 AM (cUpB1)
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I don't know how that cop doesn't go to jail for a long time.
Posted by: Muad'dib at May 28, 2020 11:04 AM (sjdRT)
Posted by: banned in the woods today at May 28, 2020 11:04 AM (Mg3mW)
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The militarization of civilian law enforcement was a catastrophically
bad idea, and one that had significant unintended consequences.
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Don't know if we still sell (or give) surplus military gear to the police. But would love to see Trump end the practice. If we want to sell it, then let American citizens buy it. We paid for it after all, we should have first dibs and not have to compete against our own tax dollars on the resale.
bad idea, and one that had significant unintended consequences.
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Don't know if we still sell (or give) surplus military gear to the police. But would love to see Trump end the practice. If we want to sell it, then let American citizens buy it. We paid for it after all, we should have first dibs and not have to compete against our own tax dollars on the resale.
Posted by: SH at May 28, 2020 11:04 AM (sX1BW)
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Very well said. Thank you.
Posted by: MJ at May 28, 2020 11:04 AM (gAMkn)
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How does a monkey police a mob?
Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid, banana baton in paw at May 28, 2020 11:05 AM (Vy7tf)
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No, we don't have to side with either of them.
Posted by: Lizzyi at May 28, 2020 11:03 AM (bDqIh)
Bingo!
Posted by: Lizzyi at May 28, 2020 11:03 AM (bDqIh)
Bingo!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 28, 2020 11:05 AM (dLLD6)
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I just got back. Where's the comments from JJ's morning report?
Posted by: Captain Hate at May 28, 2020 11:05 AM (y7DUB)
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Love the morning report!!! Thanks JJ.
Posted by: Max Power at May 28, 2020 11:05 AM (QCc6B)
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The militarization of civilian law enforcement was a catastrophically bad idea
As is the civilianization of the military.
The militarization of civilian law enforcement was a catastrophically bad idea
As is the civilianization of the military.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 28, 2020 11:05 AM (aKsyK)
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23 - yeah, where are the comments from the morning report? last I saw it looked like a flame war was starting.
Posted by: vivi at May 28, 2020 11:06 AM (11H2y)
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As is the civilianization of the military.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 28, 2020 11:05 AM (aKsyK)
A very good point!
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 28, 2020 11:05 AM (aKsyK)
A very good point!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 28, 2020 11:06 AM (dLLD6)
Posted by: m at May 28, 2020 11:06 AM (Iqg+g)
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Good said CBD.
Posted by: eleven at May 28, 2020 11:07 AM (QLPEO)
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I was wondering when BLM would show up again. I guess it was hard to get people to protest when they had jobs that would pay them better instead.
Posted by: Flyguy at May 28, 2020 11:07 AM (3sOO0)
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LEOs from J. Edgar to Barney Fife are by their own hands quickly losing (or have completely lost) the respect and support of conservatives. . .and with no one supporting them from either side conditions are just getting more ripe for spicy time.
Posted by: Bert G at May 28, 2020 11:08 AM (OMsf+)
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CBD:
We touched on this in our offline communication. I do agree with you wholeheartedly. Some folks took exception to my editorial and thought I was being to soft on the cops.
I don't think I was. My point still is that if you are being arrested, your first obligation is to not do anything that gets you killed and worry about the aftermath and the cause of the arrest later.
Yes it does not give the cops the right to either kill you or arrest you willy nilly. The fact that we have a rouge DoJ and politicians does not build confidence either.
That said, I find it difficult to be on the same side of an issue as the BLM/Antifa crowd. I think they are being used as pawns by the Left who continue to foment discord and America hatred. But your points, CBD, are valid. We are in a pickle.
CBD:
We touched on this in our offline communication. I do agree with you wholeheartedly. Some folks took exception to my editorial and thought I was being to soft on the cops.
I don't think I was. My point still is that if you are being arrested, your first obligation is to not do anything that gets you killed and worry about the aftermath and the cause of the arrest later.
Yes it does not give the cops the right to either kill you or arrest you willy nilly. The fact that we have a rouge DoJ and politicians does not build confidence either.
That said, I find it difficult to be on the same side of an issue as the BLM/Antifa crowd. I think they are being used as pawns by the Left who continue to foment discord and America hatred. But your points, CBD, are valid. We are in a pickle.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 28, 2020 11:08 AM (s2VJv)
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The militarization of civilian law enforcement was a catastrophically bad idea
As is the civilianization of the military.
This is about me, isn't it?
As is the civilianization of the military.
This is about me, isn't it?
Posted by: Chealsea Manning, in a mask at May 28, 2020 11:08 AM (Mg3mW)
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I'm not gonna side with the cops in this instance , but I'm definitely not gonna side with those who are rioting and looting... Everyone gets hurt here.
Posted by: It's me donna at May 28, 2020 11:08 AM (Zmnko)
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It's weird to me that after the uproar decades ago about police using a choke hold to subdue suspects, that somehow we are back to police finding new ways to place pressure on people's breathing abilities and it's resulted in more deaths.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at May 28, 2020 11:08 AM (+b1ew)
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Serious question:
I have read that the four policemen involved with this incident have been fired.
Before all of the facts are in, why weren't they just put on leave?
I have read that the four policemen involved with this incident have been fired.
Before all of the facts are in, why weren't they just put on leave?
Posted by: m at May 28, 2020 11:08 AM (Iqg+g)
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The cop always gets to come home..
They justify anything and everything they do with that...
and its getting worse..
They justify anything and everything they do with that...
and its getting worse..
Posted by: McCool at May 28, 2020 11:08 AM (+Lg8f)
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Everything changed when "Peace Officers" became "Law Enforcement."
To a "law enforcement" officer, *everyone* is a law breaker.
To a "law enforcement" officer, *everyone* is a law breaker.
Posted by: Dan at May 28, 2020 11:08 AM (+NG5U)
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I just got back. Where's the comments from JJ's morning report?
Posted by: Captain Hate
A troll shit the bed.
Posted by: Captain Hate
A troll shit the bed.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 28, 2020 11:08 AM (GvEen)
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Just got here? Poll trolls?
Posted by: It's me donna at May 28, 2020 11:03 AM (Zmnko)
Mostly seems to be people telling us that we all either side with the cops and are, therefore, racist, or need to start standing up to The Man at the worst possible time to do so.
Posted by: It's me donna at May 28, 2020 11:03 AM (Zmnko)
Mostly seems to be people telling us that we all either side with the cops and are, therefore, racist, or need to start standing up to The Man at the worst possible time to do so.
Posted by: Laughing in Texas at May 28, 2020 11:08 AM (DiT5w)
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> Now we have race riots? The Libs are in ecstasy...
They were in ecstasy in 1968, too, until the election returns started coming in.
Turns out that John and Jane Q. Voter aren't really down with the freelance income equalization thing.
They were in ecstasy in 1968, too, until the election returns started coming in.
Turns out that John and Jane Q. Voter aren't really down with the freelance income equalization thing.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 28, 2020 11:09 AM (hKLpI)
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>>>The penalty for resisting arrest should not be death.
Nicely put.
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Too simple as it has too many variables.
In MN, we simply have a case where almost all of Americans are on the same side - regardless of the racial aspect (if any) of it.
Clear evidence of a guy killed (not beaten) by excessive and unnecessary force.
Nicely put.
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Too simple as it has too many variables.
In MN, we simply have a case where almost all of Americans are on the same side - regardless of the racial aspect (if any) of it.
Clear evidence of a guy killed (not beaten) by excessive and unnecessary force.
Posted by: SH at May 28, 2020 11:09 AM (sX1BW)
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>>Before all of the facts are in, why weren't they just put on leave?
It was the Pols hope that it would keep Looting and Rioting to a Minimum.
It was the Pols hope that it would keep Looting and Rioting to a Minimum.
Posted by: garrett at May 28, 2020 11:09 AM (J3k9x)
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36. Because the mayor of Mpls. decided to take a side.
Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at May 28, 2020 11:09 AM (svbBD)
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No, we don't have to side with either of them.
Posted by: Lizzyi at May 28, 2020 11:03 AM (bDqIh)
Amen, although I'm really not a fan of excessive police force. These particular times show us why it is a clear and present danger to all of us.
Posted by: Lizzyi at May 28, 2020 11:03 AM (bDqIh)
Amen, although I'm really not a fan of excessive police force. These particular times show us why it is a clear and present danger to all of us.
Posted by: ... at May 28, 2020 11:09 AM (uEbPt)
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Police lives matter no more or no less than lives in the societies they protect. Police are civilians like the rest of us they should have no special rights. I spit in the face of any law enforcement officer that thinks they are not a civilian.
Posted by: USNtakim profoundly deplorable. at May 28, 2020 11:09 AM (0OmEj)
Posted by: It's me donna at May 28, 2020 11:09 AM (Zmnko)
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Remember when the MN Somali cop shot a nice white lady in her pajamas ?
All those Skandi riots ?
must have been a local news story..
All those Skandi riots ?
must have been a local news story..
Posted by: McCool at May 28, 2020 11:10 AM (+Lg8f)
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36 Serious question:
I have read that the four policemen involved with this incident have been fired.
Before all of the facts are in, why weren't they just put on leave?
Posted by: m at May 28, 2020 11:08 AM (Iqg+g)
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Probably political reasons. The leadership is probably really scared of looking weak against the specific cops in this instance.
They're going to throw the book at the cops. There may be railroading, but I have a feeling it reflects the political situation of deep blue areas right now.
I have read that the four policemen involved with this incident have been fired.
Before all of the facts are in, why weren't they just put on leave?
Posted by: m at May 28, 2020 11:08 AM (Iqg+g)
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Probably political reasons. The leadership is probably really scared of looking weak against the specific cops in this instance.
They're going to throw the book at the cops. There may be railroading, but I have a feeling it reflects the political situation of deep blue areas right now.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 28, 2020 11:10 AM (LvTSG)
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>>Now we have race riots?
It's too early. You can't get good race riots going unti August Temps hit.
It's too early. You can't get good race riots going unti August Temps hit.
Posted by: garrett at May 28, 2020 11:10 AM (J3k9x)
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The media is stoking the race fires. When this happened, all sides of the political spectrum condemned it immediately.
But the media doesn't want unity.
But the media doesn't want unity.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at May 28, 2020 11:10 AM (+b1ew)
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A cop gets up in the morning and gets ready for work.
He puts on his Kevlar vest.
He puts on his combat styled steel-toed boots.
He puts on his BDU-styled uniform.
His rank insignia mirrors the military.
He has a Kevlar helmet.
He checks his application for the sniper squad.
In the police garage are the Command Post vehicles and the MRAPs.
The bad guys are the enemy.
He is trained to take immediate control of a situation, using what ever force is necessary.
If he has to shoot his weapon, most procedures call for five shots and then asses.
And now he heads for the streets to "Protect and Serve" with the last admonition from the sergeant still ringing in his ears "Be safe out there."
He puts on his Kevlar vest.
He puts on his combat styled steel-toed boots.
He puts on his BDU-styled uniform.
His rank insignia mirrors the military.
He has a Kevlar helmet.
He checks his application for the sniper squad.
In the police garage are the Command Post vehicles and the MRAPs.
The bad guys are the enemy.
He is trained to take immediate control of a situation, using what ever force is necessary.
If he has to shoot his weapon, most procedures call for five shots and then asses.
And now he heads for the streets to "Protect and Serve" with the last admonition from the sergeant still ringing in his ears "Be safe out there."
Posted by: Diogenes at May 28, 2020 11:10 AM (axyOa)
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41 > Now we have race riots? The Libs are in ecstasy...
They were in ecstasy in 1968, too, until the election returns started coming in.
Turns out that John and Jane Q. Voter aren't really down with the freelance income equalization thing.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 28, 2020 11:09 AM (hKLpI)
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And...Republicans owned the White House for almost the entirety of the next 24 years.
They were in ecstasy in 1968, too, until the election returns started coming in.
Turns out that John and Jane Q. Voter aren't really down with the freelance income equalization thing.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 28, 2020 11:09 AM (hKLpI)
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And...Republicans owned the White House for almost the entirety of the next 24 years.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 28, 2020 11:10 AM (LvTSG)
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Its an horrendous situation that we are sort of forced to be on the same side as BLM/Antifa and all the other race baiters.
That said, it's for entirely different reasons.
Its an horrendous situation that we are sort of forced to be on the same side as BLM/Antifa and all the other race baiters.
That said, it's for entirely different reasons.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 28, 2020 11:10 AM (s2VJv)
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50 >>Now we have race riots?
It's too early. You can't get good race riots going unti August Temps hit.
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They need more cow bell.
It's too early. You can't get good race riots going unti August Temps hit.
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They need more cow bell.
Posted by: Puddin Head at May 28, 2020 11:10 AM (hxWDw)
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Sorry, but for many law enforcement officers, "protect and serve" really just means "keep from getting injured and collect a pension when I retire."
Posted by: shibumi, unemployed in covid 1984 at May 28, 2020 11:11 AM (ZCiJZ)
Posted by: garrett at May 28, 2020 11:11 AM (J3k9x)
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Illin' (the MOST!) brother-f'er Omer weighing in on the riots: "Our anger is just. Our anger is warranted." I'd love to see her get popped for inciting.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at May 28, 2020 11:11 AM (7Fj9P)
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For all its flaws (and they are many), the 2008 Battlestar Galactica reboot has a GOAT quote about this very issue:
"The police's job is to serve and protect the people. The military's job is to fight and kill the enemies of the state. When you turn the military into the police, the enemies of the state tend to become the people."
"The police's job is to serve and protect the people. The military's job is to fight and kill the enemies of the state. When you turn the military into the police, the enemies of the state tend to become the people."
Posted by: MrUNIVAC at May 28, 2020 11:11 AM (man7Q)
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You know Corona is losing traction when the race baiting starts up as the primary news story.
100k deaths was nice for them
but they need to get the spotlight off of Cuomo, Murphy and all those nursing home deaths
100k deaths was nice for them
but they need to get the spotlight off of Cuomo, Murphy and all those nursing home deaths
Posted by: McCool at May 28, 2020 11:11 AM (+Lg8f)
Posted by: creeper at May 28, 2020 11:12 AM (XxJt1)
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How did I end up being on the side of police brutality? I signed up for being on the side of freedom from an overbearing State. I clearly remember the promise of President Reagan.
Posted by: HughDePayens at May 28, 2020 11:12 AM (IEwU8)
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. Our anger is warranted.
"Anger" means picking up a couple of big screens and destroying peoples property?
"Anger" means picking up a couple of big screens and destroying peoples property?
Posted by: It's me donna at May 28, 2020 11:12 AM (Zmnko)
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43 >>Before all of the facts are in, why weren't they just put on leave?
It was the Pols hope that it would keep Looting and Rioting to a Minimum.
Posted by: garrett at May 28, 2020 11:09 AM (J3k9x)
49 Probably political reasons. The leadership is probably really scared of looking weak against the specific cops in this instance.
They're going to throw the book at the cops. There may be railroading, but I have a feeling it reflects the political situation of deep blue areas right now.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 28, 2020 11:10 AM (LvTSG)
Thanks, guys.
It was the Pols hope that it would keep Looting and Rioting to a Minimum.
Posted by: garrett at May 28, 2020 11:09 AM (J3k9x)
49 Probably political reasons. The leadership is probably really scared of looking weak against the specific cops in this instance.
They're going to throw the book at the cops. There may be railroading, but I have a feeling it reflects the political situation of deep blue areas right now.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 28, 2020 11:10 AM (LvTSG)
Thanks, guys.
Posted by: m at May 28, 2020 11:13 AM (Iqg+g)
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Now we have race riots?
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"All Koreans report to the nearest roof tops. You are weapons free on my mark"
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"All Koreans report to the nearest roof tops. You are weapons free on my mark"
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at May 28, 2020 11:13 AM (7Fj9P)
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A troll shit the bed.
Holy shit...they nuked the comments! Things must have gotten bad(er) after the art went up.
Holy shit...they nuked the comments! Things must have gotten bad(er) after the art went up.
Posted by: Laughing in Texas at May 28, 2020 11:13 AM (DiT5w)
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Today's law enforcement has more accountability and less malfeasance than law enforcement 40-50 years ago. It will always require oversight and checks and balances. It's the nature of the beast. The danger is disparaging law enforcement so much that no good people will want to enter into the profession.
I laugh when the same people who talk about police overstepping their authority also comment that Antifa needs to have wood shampoos like in the 60's.
I say this as someone with 95% negative interaction with law enforcement .
I laugh when the same people who talk about police overstepping their authority also comment that Antifa needs to have wood shampoos like in the 60's.
I say this as someone with 95% negative interaction with law enforcement .
Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 28, 2020 11:13 AM (2DOZq)
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All we want is a little respect.
Posted by: The Mob at May 28, 2020 11:13 AM (Tnijr)
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>>brother-f'er Omer weighing in on the riots: "Our anger is just. Our anger is warranted."
Shut your fuckin hole and put that Hefty Bag back on, Harlot!
Shut your fuckin hole and put that Hefty Bag back on, Harlot!
Posted by: garrett at May 28, 2020 11:13 AM (J3k9x)
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But the media doesn't want unity.
Unity and good news don't generate high ratings. Ratings equal ad buys. So the higher the ratings, the higher their ad prices are and the higher their profits.
Unity and good news don't generate high ratings. Ratings equal ad buys. So the higher the ratings, the higher their ad prices are and the higher their profits.
Posted by: shibumi, unemployed in covid 1984 at May 28, 2020 11:13 AM (ZCiJZ)
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Actually, I'm pretty sure if a soldier got caught kneeling on someone's neck until they died, there would be some actual accountability.
Posted by: perilisk at May 28, 2020 11:13 AM (9p+wn)
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I find it difficult to be on the same side of an
issue as the BLM/Antifa crowd. I think they are being used as pawns by
the Left who continue to foment discord and America hatred.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 28, 2020 11:08 AM (s2VJv)
Exactly. The question is: How do we navigate between support for lawlessness on one side and an out-of-control government (cops) on the other?
issue as the BLM/Antifa crowd. I think they are being used as pawns by
the Left who continue to foment discord and America hatred.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 28, 2020 11:08 AM (s2VJv)
Exactly. The question is: How do we navigate between support for lawlessness on one side and an out-of-control government (cops) on the other?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 28, 2020 11:14 AM (dLLD6)
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They were in ecstasy in 1968, too, until the election returns started coming in.
Turns out that John and Jane Q. Voter aren't really down with the freelance income equalization thing.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia
But this isn't 1968. John has transitioned to Jane and Jane to John. Who knows how they'll vote?
They were in ecstasy in 1968, too, until the election returns started coming in.
Turns out that John and Jane Q. Voter aren't really down with the freelance income equalization thing.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia
But this isn't 1968. John has transitioned to Jane and Jane to John. Who knows how they'll vote?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 28, 2020 11:14 AM (aKsyK)
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The social compact does not not value the life of a police officer over the lives of the citizens he is sworn to protect, but the mantra has become exactly that.
Well, but in the deep blue cities where police violence happens most often, the population are not considered citizens are they? Tell me the liberal 'elites' who wind up in office don't view people as either taxpayer ATMs or pets that do that useful trick about once a year of voting for the D symbol on the ballot.
Police brutality under this demented liberal mindset is just 'being too rough while handling the livestock.' What is really needed IMO is a population that demands that everyone is treated as a citizen with the rights AND responsibilities that come with citizenship. Sadly I don't know if we'll ever get there.
Well, but in the deep blue cities where police violence happens most often, the population are not considered citizens are they? Tell me the liberal 'elites' who wind up in office don't view people as either taxpayer ATMs or pets that do that useful trick about once a year of voting for the D symbol on the ballot.
Police brutality under this demented liberal mindset is just 'being too rough while handling the livestock.' What is really needed IMO is a population that demands that everyone is treated as a citizen with the rights AND responsibilities that come with citizenship. Sadly I don't know if we'll ever get there.
Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at May 28, 2020 11:14 AM (T9Hmo)
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Dan Bongino was on F&F this morning and he is beyond outraged over the police officers behavior in the video.
He pointed out that not only was he a police officer in NYC before he entered the SS, he also was an instructor in physical tactics as it involves arresting and detaining suspects and has 17 years of martial arts training.
He said there isn't a police department in the country that teaches officers to do what this one did to Floyd. He noted that if you watch the video closely, the officer's right foot is moving around, which demonstrates that his weight was on his left knee which was on Floyds neck. He said that in the first 30 seconds to a minute after you take someone down, tunnel vision is still in effect, adrenalin is rushing and you can still be employing force. But what police training teaches emphatically is once the perp is down and cuffed , it's OVER and you have all the power on the guy.
He couldn't believe not only the officer continued to knee Floyd's neck for six minutes, but that the other officers stood around like it was no big deal, even with the crowd yelling that they were choking the guy and to get off him. Said he got a lot of calls and emails in the past few days from friends on police forces who are appalled at what happened.
So I am not thinking this is standard training for police forces derived from military influence. It was a "I wannna be a badass infront of this crowd" .
He pointed out that not only was he a police officer in NYC before he entered the SS, he also was an instructor in physical tactics as it involves arresting and detaining suspects and has 17 years of martial arts training.
He said there isn't a police department in the country that teaches officers to do what this one did to Floyd. He noted that if you watch the video closely, the officer's right foot is moving around, which demonstrates that his weight was on his left knee which was on Floyds neck. He said that in the first 30 seconds to a minute after you take someone down, tunnel vision is still in effect, adrenalin is rushing and you can still be employing force. But what police training teaches emphatically is once the perp is down and cuffed , it's OVER and you have all the power on the guy.
He couldn't believe not only the officer continued to knee Floyd's neck for six minutes, but that the other officers stood around like it was no big deal, even with the crowd yelling that they were choking the guy and to get off him. Said he got a lot of calls and emails in the past few days from friends on police forces who are appalled at what happened.
So I am not thinking this is standard training for police forces derived from military influence. It was a "I wannna be a badass infront of this crowd" .
Posted by: Jen the original at May 28, 2020 11:14 AM (lYxPX)
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New people here? Don't recognize some
Posted by: It's me donna at May 28, 2020 11:14 AM (Zmnko)
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You can't have a society that is at each other's throats every single day on almost every issue and not expect it to not infect every person and every institution.
Those cops should be arrested yesterday. We better get our shit together as a society or this kind of thing will get worse.
Those cops should be arrested yesterday. We better get our shit together as a society or this kind of thing will get worse.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 28, 2020 11:14 AM (ZLI7S)
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The militarization of civilian law enforcement was a catastrophically
bad idea, and one that had significant unintended consequences.
All of the this. Trump needs to end that if it's still going on.
bad idea, and one that had significant unintended consequences.
All of the this. Trump needs to end that if it's still going on.
Posted by: Ian S. at May 28, 2020 11:15 AM (6XLoz)
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next week in PA the county offices open up again - I think in all counties.
I know several people who have just been waiting to file lawsuits.
YES the Dems/Left are loving this race riot distraction right about now!
but they underestimate how PISSED the people who have lost their loved ones in longterm care are. SERIOUSLY UNDERESTIMATED.
I know several people who have just been waiting to file lawsuits.
YES the Dems/Left are loving this race riot distraction right about now!
but they underestimate how PISSED the people who have lost their loved ones in longterm care are. SERIOUSLY UNDERESTIMATED.
Posted by: SorryBlackOrchid at May 28, 2020 11:15 AM (j9HX3)
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73
They were in ecstasy in 1968, too, until the election returns started coming in.
Turns out that John and Jane Q. Voter aren't really down with the freelance income equalization thing.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia
But this isn't 1968. John has transitioned to Jane and Jane to John. Who knows how they'll vote?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 28, 2020 11:14 AM (aKsyK)
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The special elections over the last few weeks (which aren't predictive from a statistical point of view) seem to indicate that John and Jane aren't really enjoying this new normal and they're not blaming Republicans for it.
They were in ecstasy in 1968, too, until the election returns started coming in.
Turns out that John and Jane Q. Voter aren't really down with the freelance income equalization thing.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia
But this isn't 1968. John has transitioned to Jane and Jane to John. Who knows how they'll vote?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 28, 2020 11:14 AM (aKsyK)
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The special elections over the last few weeks (which aren't predictive from a statistical point of view) seem to indicate that John and Jane aren't really enjoying this new normal and they're not blaming Republicans for it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 28, 2020 11:15 AM (LvTSG)
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Imho..the degradation of the societal compact between the police and policed was the decision to use cops as an enforcement arm of revenue taxation in the form of traffic control. As soon as the tickets added to the bottom line of the local police and not the general state budgets, it was open season on drivers. I lost all respect for police when the fiction of "we don't have quotas" was started.
Posted by: Catman at May 28, 2020 11:15 AM (4HMlb)
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The ire of the masses needs to be focused on the politicians and bureaucrats who continuously press the Chaos Button. Perhaps the only way to achieve the justice those assholes deserve is to let them have their chaos good and hard. Pelosi dragging behind a jeep by her neck would be a good start.
Posted by: Balrog of Morgoth at May 28, 2020 11:15 AM (CLteG)
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Thought:
You know, maybe it's not such a bad idea to adopt the Donkey Chompers position of just abolishing the police. At least in Democrat controlled cities.
When the resulting hell on earth happens, they won't have us to blame.
But they will blame us anyway.
Thought:
You know, maybe it's not such a bad idea to adopt the Donkey Chompers position of just abolishing the police. At least in Democrat controlled cities.
When the resulting hell on earth happens, they won't have us to blame.
But they will blame us anyway.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 28, 2020 11:15 AM (s2VJv)
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76 New people here? Don't recognize some
Posted by: It's me donna at May 28, 2020 11:14 AM (Zmnko)
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Hello,
I'm TJM, and I love Prometheus.
Posted by: It's me donna at May 28, 2020 11:14 AM (Zmnko)
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Hello,
I'm TJM, and I love Prometheus.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 28, 2020 11:16 AM (LvTSG)
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I got to sit in on a trial, way back when, where a guy got drunk and disorderly, and took up all the cops in town (4, it wasn't a big town) and cuffed and stuffed him. During the hustling him to the squad car, the drunk kicked a dent in the squad car.
The DA was pushing for "resisting arrest" and dropped "damage of police property" and the judge stated that since it was four on one, there wasn't much resisting going on that he saw.
Ah, the old days.
The DA was pushing for "resisting arrest" and dropped "damage of police property" and the judge stated that since it was four on one, there wasn't much resisting going on that he saw.
Ah, the old days.
Posted by: Kindltot at May 28, 2020 11:16 AM (WyVLE)
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You know, maybe it's not such a bad idea to adopt the Donkey Chompers position of just abolishing the police. At least in Democrat controlled cities.
I always thought that would be the thing to do....
I always thought that would be the thing to do....
Posted by: It's me donna at May 28, 2020 11:16 AM (Zmnko)
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I haven't been following this story closely, so I don't know all the ins and outs. I did see a picture of the police officer forcefully holding down the neck of the man who died.
Government with its boot on the neck. There's a metaphor here somewhere.
My condolences to the family of the murdered man.
Government with its boot on the neck. There's a metaphor here somewhere.
My condolences to the family of the murdered man.
Posted by: grammie winger at May 28, 2020 11:16 AM (lwiT4)
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>>Exactly. The question is: How do we navigate between support for lawlessness on one side and an out-of-control government (cops) on the other?
Well, it is a tricky issue :
Do we support Liberty Violating Policies like Stop and Frisk?
Do we ignore the benefit to society of these Policies?
I know we all hate the notion of people going to jail on warrants / posession arrests. But how do we ignore the decades long crime statistics that show these policies work at reducing ALL crime?
Well, it is a tricky issue :
Do we support Liberty Violating Policies like Stop and Frisk?
Do we ignore the benefit to society of these Policies?
I know we all hate the notion of people going to jail on warrants / posession arrests. But how do we ignore the decades long crime statistics that show these policies work at reducing ALL crime?
Posted by: garrett at May 28, 2020 11:16 AM (J3k9x)
Posted by: It's me donna at May 28, 2020 11:16 AM (Zmnko)
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89
Hello,
I'm TJM, and I love Prometheus.
LOl... I won't hold that against you
Posted by: It's me donna at May 28, 2020 11:16 AM (Zmnko)
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That makes one.
Hello,
I'm TJM, and I love Prometheus.
LOl... I won't hold that against you
Posted by: It's me donna at May 28, 2020 11:16 AM (Zmnko)
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That makes one.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 28, 2020 11:17 AM (LvTSG)
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The view I offer won't be PC, but I think it's worthwhile.
There is a middle-age black radio host who has a YouTube channel. I wish I remembered his name. He did a segment about how single moms who were raised and live in the ghetto have a bad, argumentative, volatile attitude toward cops. That cops (like most American men) are hesitant to get physical with women due to the American civil culture of men not striking women. (That might not always be the case in years to come.) So the boys of these ghetto women see how their mothers disrespect cops, scream and throw a fit, and they pick up that attitude. Only when they try it with cops, they get crushed because cops have authority and the "force" of law. Sure, the cop could be suspended later, or fired, or sued, or charged with murder--but that's no consolation after you're dead.
The radio host showed clips of ghetto women's "ratchet" behaviors, then showed some clips of you men behaving the same, but getting different treatment.
On a related note, look up "ghetto lottery." When the media cries victim and the courts award damages, then that also sends a message to act up, and for young men, that's just a dangerous game to play with cops.
There are some EXCELLENT videos on how people should comply with cops without letting the cops manipulate you into giving up rights.
Here's a link EVERYONE should watch, again and again, and share with everyone you know. At the end police officer comes up to the podium and says that everything the professor says is absolutely true, then he adds more that will really open your eyes. Case in point: Pleading the 5th is essential. I always thought it meant you were automatically guilty, but there is a clear constitutional reason for pleading the 5th that I never thought about before: Regent Univ. Law Professor: Don't Talk to the Police. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE
There is a middle-age black radio host who has a YouTube channel. I wish I remembered his name. He did a segment about how single moms who were raised and live in the ghetto have a bad, argumentative, volatile attitude toward cops. That cops (like most American men) are hesitant to get physical with women due to the American civil culture of men not striking women. (That might not always be the case in years to come.) So the boys of these ghetto women see how their mothers disrespect cops, scream and throw a fit, and they pick up that attitude. Only when they try it with cops, they get crushed because cops have authority and the "force" of law. Sure, the cop could be suspended later, or fired, or sued, or charged with murder--but that's no consolation after you're dead.
The radio host showed clips of ghetto women's "ratchet" behaviors, then showed some clips of you men behaving the same, but getting different treatment.
On a related note, look up "ghetto lottery." When the media cries victim and the courts award damages, then that also sends a message to act up, and for young men, that's just a dangerous game to play with cops.
There are some EXCELLENT videos on how people should comply with cops without letting the cops manipulate you into giving up rights.
Here's a link EVERYONE should watch, again and again, and share with everyone you know. At the end police officer comes up to the podium and says that everything the professor says is absolutely true, then he adds more that will really open your eyes. Case in point: Pleading the 5th is essential. I always thought it meant you were automatically guilty, but there is a clear constitutional reason for pleading the 5th that I never thought about before: Regent Univ. Law Professor: Don't Talk to the Police. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE
Posted by: Carly at May 28, 2020 11:17 AM (Gaa5N)
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Many police have done military tours in the Middle East, often doing policing in hazardous areas. Wonder if they bring their tactics home.
What I heard was that the cop doing the kneeling had a bad record and should have been kicked out long ago
What I heard was that the cop doing the kneeling had a bad record and should have been kicked out long ago
Posted by: Ignoramus at May 28, 2020 11:17 AM (9TdxA)
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A cop gets up in the morning and gets ready for work.
He puts on his Kevlar vest.
He puts on his combat styled steel-toed boots.
He puts on his BDU-styled uniform.
His rank insignia mirrors the military.
He has a Kevlar helmet.
He checks his application for the sniper squad.
In the police garage are the Command Post vehicles and the MRAPs.
The bad guys are the enemy.
He is trained to take immediate control of a situation, using what ever force is necessary.
If he has to shoot his weapon, most procedures call for five shots and then asses.
And now he heads for the streets to "Protect and Serve" with the last admonition from the sergeant still ringing in his ears "Be safe out there."
Posted by: Diogenes at May 28, 2020 11:10 AM (axyOa)
The Milwaukee cops had on blue shirts and ties. Regular barney fife gunbelts and tasers. The were not in battle gear.
He puts on his Kevlar vest.
He puts on his combat styled steel-toed boots.
He puts on his BDU-styled uniform.
His rank insignia mirrors the military.
He has a Kevlar helmet.
He checks his application for the sniper squad.
In the police garage are the Command Post vehicles and the MRAPs.
The bad guys are the enemy.
He is trained to take immediate control of a situation, using what ever force is necessary.
If he has to shoot his weapon, most procedures call for five shots and then asses.
And now he heads for the streets to "Protect and Serve" with the last admonition from the sergeant still ringing in his ears "Be safe out there."
Posted by: Diogenes at May 28, 2020 11:10 AM (axyOa)
The Milwaukee cops had on blue shirts and ties. Regular barney fife gunbelts and tasers. The were not in battle gear.
Posted by: Jen the original at May 28, 2020 11:17 AM (lYxPX)
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hiya
Posted by: JT at May 28, 2020 11:17 AM (arJlL)
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76 New people here? Don't recognize some
Posted by: It's me donna at May 28, 2020 11:14 AM (Zmnko)
So what?
Posted by: It's me donna at May 28, 2020 11:14 AM (Zmnko)
So what?
Posted by: Balrog of Morgoth at May 28, 2020 11:17 AM (CLteG)
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72 I find it difficult to be on the same side of an
issue as the BLM/Antifa crowd. I think they are being used as pawns by
the Left who continue to foment discord and America hatred.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 28, 2020 11:08 AM (s2VJv)
Exactly. The question is: How do we navigate between support for lawlessness on one side and an out-of-control government (cops) on the other?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 28, 2020 11:14 AM (dLLD6)
This looks like a job for President Trump. Seriously, he can probably neutralize BLM/Antifa/Sharptone and get enough blacks to stop and say "maybe the OrangeManBad has a point."
issue as the BLM/Antifa crowd. I think they are being used as pawns by
the Left who continue to foment discord and America hatred.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 28, 2020 11:08 AM (s2VJv)
Exactly. The question is: How do we navigate between support for lawlessness on one side and an out-of-control government (cops) on the other?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 28, 2020 11:14 AM (dLLD6)
This looks like a job for President Trump. Seriously, he can probably neutralize BLM/Antifa/Sharptone and get enough blacks to stop and say "maybe the OrangeManBad has a point."
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 28, 2020 11:17 AM (s2VJv)
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86 You know, maybe it's not such a bad idea to adopt the Donkey Chompers position of just abolishing the police. At least in Democrat controlled cities.
a lot of the cops there would be a-ok with this
just need to set up some blockades...blow some bridges...
a lot of the cops there would be a-ok with this
just need to set up some blockades...blow some bridges...
Posted by: SorryBlackOrchid at May 28, 2020 11:17 AM (j9HX3)
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Holy shit...they nuked the comments! Things must have gotten bad(er) after the art went up.
Posted by: Laughing in Texas
This is about me isn't it?
Posted by: Laughing in Texas
This is about me isn't it?
Posted by: Vilhelm Hammershoi at May 28, 2020 11:17 AM (axyOa)
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LE has been politicized to death. First they are trained to be social workers and to "respect" all the leftist demonstrators who show up and clog the streets and destroy property. They are blamed for every ill in society, especially in minority neighborhoods. They have to deal with "leaders" from the hood constantly.
And then they give them military gear and training.
A sad day last week when the CHP, who used to keep Californians safe on the highways, showed up in SWAT gear at the state capitol to protect Newsom from some anti-lockdown peaceful protests. Now they are some politician's goon squad?
And then they give them military gear and training.
A sad day last week when the CHP, who used to keep Californians safe on the highways, showed up in SWAT gear at the state capitol to protect Newsom from some anti-lockdown peaceful protests. Now they are some politician's goon squad?
Posted by: PJ at May 28, 2020 11:18 AM (qlTN9)
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The mindset of a soldier is of necessity very different than that of a police officer, and for very good reasons. The soldier is trained to use his skills and tools with maximum violence, because the goal is simple...kill people and break things. And that is as it should be. But civilian law enforcement has a much different goal; "Protect And Serve" isn't just a throwaway slogan.
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There is another factor at play, and it is one of mission.
Soldiers are there to hunt down and kill enemies in pursuit of victory.
Police are there to keep the peace in civil society.
There is a reason that cops and soldiers aren't the same, and why you don't want soldiers to be cops. Militarizing the police has blurred these lines, to our great detriment. Soldiers subdue and kill and the enemy. When the cops are soldiers, who is the enemy to be subdued and killed? It's the citizens.
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There is another factor at play, and it is one of mission.
Soldiers are there to hunt down and kill enemies in pursuit of victory.
Police are there to keep the peace in civil society.
There is a reason that cops and soldiers aren't the same, and why you don't want soldiers to be cops. Militarizing the police has blurred these lines, to our great detriment. Soldiers subdue and kill and the enemy. When the cops are soldiers, who is the enemy to be subdued and killed? It's the citizens.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 28, 2020 11:18 AM (hYcqw)
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Not all cops are assholes, but certain professions attract certain personality types.
Rarely do you find Chris Farley in the accounting pool.
Rarely do you find Chris Farley in the accounting pool.
Posted by: MJ at May 28, 2020 11:18 AM (gAMkn)
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>>Amen, although I'm really not a fan of excessive police force. These particular times show us why it is a clear and present danger to all of us.
No one is a fan of excessive police force, except maybe wannabe bureaucrat tyrants who direct the police to enforce their laws/rules.
Let's move beyond the false choice between defending the alleged criminal's behavior or the policeman's behavior.
They both behaved badly, though what the policeman did had horrid, criminal consequences.
And to the inevitable Phase II of these things, the community has the right to be outraged by the incident and to protest -- but peacefully. I totally support their calls for police accountability, but I do not support any violence, theft, or destruction of property that was carried out as part of the protest.
No one is a fan of excessive police force, except maybe wannabe bureaucrat tyrants who direct the police to enforce their laws/rules.
Let's move beyond the false choice between defending the alleged criminal's behavior or the policeman's behavior.
They both behaved badly, though what the policeman did had horrid, criminal consequences.
And to the inevitable Phase II of these things, the community has the right to be outraged by the incident and to protest -- but peacefully. I totally support their calls for police accountability, but I do not support any violence, theft, or destruction of property that was carried out as part of the protest.
Posted by: Lizzyi at May 28, 2020 11:18 AM (bDqIh)
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Oddly, the rules of engagement in regards to both sides seem to be inverting.
Cops are told to approach every traffic stop as if the citizen that THEY stopped is a threat.
Soldiers are often handicapped with orders that they are not to open fire until fired upon.
Kinda makes me wonder just who exactly it is our government fears, it's own citizens or enemy combatants.
Cops are told to approach every traffic stop as if the citizen that THEY stopped is a threat.
Soldiers are often handicapped with orders that they are not to open fire until fired upon.
Kinda makes me wonder just who exactly it is our government fears, it's own citizens or enemy combatants.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at May 28, 2020 11:19 AM (QW9VZ)
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I find it difficult to be on the same side of an
issue as the BLM/Antifa crowd. I think they are being used as pawns by
the Left who continue to foment discord and America hatred.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 28, 2020 11:08 AM (s2VJv)
Exactly. The question is: How do we navigate between support for lawlessness on one side and an out-of-control government (cops) on the other?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
How about by arresting EVERYONE who breaks the law, or no one.
Stop the fucking picking and choosing.
issue as the BLM/Antifa crowd. I think they are being used as pawns by
the Left who continue to foment discord and America hatred.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 28, 2020 11:08 AM (s2VJv)
Exactly. The question is: How do we navigate between support for lawlessness on one side and an out-of-control government (cops) on the other?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
How about by arresting EVERYONE who breaks the law, or no one.
Stop the fucking picking and choosing.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 28, 2020 11:19 AM (GvEen)
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>>So I am not thinking this is standard training for police forces derived from military influence. It was a "I wannna be a badass infront of this crowd" .
Increasingly, these crowds are taking liberties that are going to end in a killing of one or more cops who are doing their jobs. Take a look at NYC and other Dem strongholds. They actively ignore harassment and base assault of police in these neighborhoods.
Which is why we have No Go Zones in America.
Increasingly, these crowds are taking liberties that are going to end in a killing of one or more cops who are doing their jobs. Take a look at NYC and other Dem strongholds. They actively ignore harassment and base assault of police in these neighborhoods.
Which is why we have No Go Zones in America.
Posted by: garrett at May 28, 2020 11:20 AM (J3k9x)
Posted by: JackStraw at May 28, 2020 11:20 AM (ZLI7S)
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But this isn't 1968. John has transitioned to Jane and Jane to John. Who knows how they'll vote?
There's a ton of Johns to Janes, but almost no Janes to Johns. Which is why the greatest pushback on the whole thing thus far is coming from lesbians.
There's a ton of Johns to Janes, but almost no Janes to Johns. Which is why the greatest pushback on the whole thing thus far is coming from lesbians.
Posted by: Ian S. at May 28, 2020 11:20 AM (6XLoz)
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Posted by: Lizzyi at May 28, 2020 11:20 AM (bDqIh)
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So, CDNNsports dot com has two very good 9mm pistols for sale for under $300. The S&W SDVE and the Walther Creed.
Word is, prices will be going up very, very soon.
If you don't own a pistol and you don't have $600 for a Glock, both are very good budget pistols.
Word is, prices will be going up very, very soon.
If you don't own a pistol and you don't have $600 for a Glock, both are very good budget pistols.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Free WA, Buy Ammo at May 28, 2020 11:20 AM (ifmtJ)
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I'm wondering when the local water cops will be deploying in a Patrol Boat, Riverene.
.50s and mini-guns and Kevlar deckhouse.
Piracy on Offats Bayou will soon be but a memory.
*sigh*
(not an extreme exaggeration, a lot of the local water cops operate surplus coast guard RIBs. And the pintle mounts are still on 'em.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
.50s and mini-guns and Kevlar deckhouse.
Piracy on Offats Bayou will soon be but a memory.
*sigh*
(not an extreme exaggeration, a lot of the local water cops operate surplus coast guard RIBs. And the pintle mounts are still on 'em.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at May 28, 2020 11:21 AM (QzJWU)
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88 >>Exactly. The question is: How do we navigate between support for lawlessness on one side and an out-of-control government (cops) on the other?
Well, it is a tricky issue :
Do we support Liberty Violating Policies like Stop and Frisk?
Do we ignore the benefit to society of these Policies?
I know we all hate the notion of people going to jail on warrants / posession arrests. But how do we ignore the decades long crime statistics that show these policies work at reducing ALL crime?
Posted by: garrett at May 28, 2020 11:16 AM (J3k9x)
The infamous "root cause" is the misery and genocide of Black America at the hands of Democrat Leftists.
Out of control incompetent cops and incarceration are merely symptoms.
Trump was right when he told blacks that always vote Democrat and got shit on for decades "what have you got to lose" by supporting him.
And it worked; black unemployment disappeared and many were escaping the plantation, until the Peking Pox stopped the miracle.
Well, it is a tricky issue :
Do we support Liberty Violating Policies like Stop and Frisk?
Do we ignore the benefit to society of these Policies?
I know we all hate the notion of people going to jail on warrants / posession arrests. But how do we ignore the decades long crime statistics that show these policies work at reducing ALL crime?
Posted by: garrett at May 28, 2020 11:16 AM (J3k9x)
The infamous "root cause" is the misery and genocide of Black America at the hands of Democrat Leftists.
Out of control incompetent cops and incarceration are merely symptoms.
Trump was right when he told blacks that always vote Democrat and got shit on for decades "what have you got to lose" by supporting him.
And it worked; black unemployment disappeared and many were escaping the plantation, until the Peking Pox stopped the miracle.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 28, 2020 11:21 AM (s2VJv)
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The Milwaukee cops had on blue shirts and ties. Regular barney fife gunbelts and tasers. The were not in battle gear.
Posted by: Jen the original
I saw that.
Haven't seen that in my sleepy little mostly white, mostly conservative, completely rural town in years. The force here is about a dozen officers.
Always in battle rattle, and never very friendly.
I guess I don't understand.
The Milwaukee cops had on blue shirts and ties. Regular barney fife gunbelts and tasers. The were not in battle gear.
Posted by: Jen the original
I saw that.
Haven't seen that in my sleepy little mostly white, mostly conservative, completely rural town in years. The force here is about a dozen officers.
Always in battle rattle, and never very friendly.
I guess I don't understand.
Posted by: Diogenes at May 28, 2020 11:21 AM (axyOa)
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-- They serve us, and they are the tip of the spear of government coercion, and must be carefully controlled. --
But that's the problem, isn't it? How do you control an entity which is pre-indemnified for all its uses of force? Especially in the face of a "justice" system that says that you have no right to refuse a cop's illegal order? That same system refuses to hold cops and their bosses to a standard under which they can be called to account, under a doctrine of sovereign immunity. Where, then, do we go for controls?
But that's the problem, isn't it? How do you control an entity which is pre-indemnified for all its uses of force? Especially in the face of a "justice" system that says that you have no right to refuse a cop's illegal order? That same system refuses to hold cops and their bosses to a standard under which they can be called to account, under a doctrine of sovereign immunity. Where, then, do we go for controls?
Posted by: Francis W. Porretto at May 28, 2020 11:21 AM (RmBQf)
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109 >>So what?
Typically means we're being visited by paid trolls here to stir things up.
Posted by: Lizzyi at May 28, 2020 11:20 AM (bDqIh)
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I should sign up as a troll and get paid just to post here.
Typically means we're being visited by paid trolls here to stir things up.
Posted by: Lizzyi at May 28, 2020 11:20 AM (bDqIh)
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I should sign up as a troll and get paid just to post here.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 28, 2020 11:21 AM (LvTSG)
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. "Anger" means picking up a couple of big screens and destroying peoples property?
no big screens, no peace!
. "Anger" means picking up a couple of big screens and destroying peoples property?
no big screens, no peace!
Posted by: Anachronda at May 28, 2020 11:21 AM (sGtp+)
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8 So Russia, Ukraine, Chinese flu weren't enough? Now we have race riots? The Libs are in ecstasy...Oh, and good morning
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National Omertà Radio (NPR) popping the champagne corks this morning over CoronaVirus "I Have a Grim Dream" milestone:
"100K Dead at last..., Good Lord, we're at 100K Dead at last!"
They were obviously pissed that they couldn't ruin Memorial Day for Americans everywhere, but they are going all-out to make up for it this morning!
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National Omertà Radio (NPR) popping the champagne corks this morning over CoronaVirus "I Have a Grim Dream" milestone:
"100K Dead at last..., Good Lord, we're at 100K Dead at last!"
They were obviously pissed that they couldn't ruin Memorial Day for Americans everywhere, but they are going all-out to make up for it this morning!
Posted by: Ray Van Dune at May 28, 2020 11:21 AM (Hp0GT)
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Posted by: Diogenes at May 28, 2020 11:10 AM (axyOa)
I'll take a U.S. Army soldier or Marine any day over some of these wannabe special forces tough guys who are cops.
There is something to be said for a sargent waiting to put a boot in your ass if you do anything stupid.
I'll take a U.S. Army soldier or Marine any day over some of these wannabe special forces tough guys who are cops.
There is something to be said for a sargent waiting to put a boot in your ass if you do anything stupid.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 28, 2020 11:22 AM (dLLD6)
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Watching that video, all I could think was: "You're a white cop kneeling on a black dude's neck. You don't think this is being recorded and that it will end up going viral on the Internet? You don't think it will make people angry?" It was not only wrong, but incredibly dumb. The rioting was the most predictable response ever, especially after months of lockdown.
Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V at May 28, 2020 11:22 AM (HabA/)
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Well, we are technically in an ongoing war in the US. Two sides battling for political dominance. Violence is ratcheting up.
Police are being transformed into UN peacekeepers with their many flaws.
Police are being transformed into UN peacekeepers with their many flaws.
Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at May 28, 2020 11:22 AM (e1mEI)
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101 Rarely do you find Chris Farley in the accounting pool.
Posted by: MJ at May 28, 2020 11:18 AM (gAMkn)
"I know, right?"
- - Krugman and Corzine, LLC
Posted by: MJ at May 28, 2020 11:18 AM (gAMkn)
"I know, right?"
- - Krugman and Corzine, LLC
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 28, 2020 11:22 AM (s2VJv)
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If anyone says they hate violence more than us, well they had better have a knife or something else to back it up.
Posted by: Minneapolis Rioters at May 28, 2020 11:22 AM (gJ9O0)
Posted by: Laughing in Texas at May 28, 2020 11:22 AM (DiT5w)
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Illin' (the MOST!) brother-f'er Omer weighing in on the riots: "Our
anger is just. Our anger is warranted." I'd love to see her get popped
for inciting.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin
Reminds me of the 5 dead ambushed police officers in Dallas.
Seems Omar is hoping for an eye for an eye response.
When police are specifically targeted I do think law abiding citizens do tend to value police officers lives above others, not that it is right, just that it does provoke fear in a community to lose law enforcement officers to ambushes.
>>The penalty for resisting arrest should not be death.
Yes indeed, for both the accused resisting and also, for the often well regarded police officer(s) involved.
Illin' (the MOST!) brother-f'er Omer weighing in on the riots: "Our
anger is just. Our anger is warranted." I'd love to see her get popped
for inciting.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin
Reminds me of the 5 dead ambushed police officers in Dallas.
Seems Omar is hoping for an eye for an eye response.
When police are specifically targeted I do think law abiding citizens do tend to value police officers lives above others, not that it is right, just that it does provoke fear in a community to lose law enforcement officers to ambushes.
>>The penalty for resisting arrest should not be death.
Yes indeed, for both the accused resisting and also, for the often well regarded police officer(s) involved.
Posted by: old chick at May 28, 2020 11:23 AM (sOete)
Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 28, 2020 11:23 AM (2DOZq)
Posted by: MJ at May 28, 2020 11:23 AM (gAMkn)
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Come see the violence inherent in the system.
No seriously.
A police force, any at all, is state-sanctioned violence.
Any law or regulation whatsoever has a hidden "and we can kill you if you don't comply clause."
No law or regulation is written to say "no one can be arrested for noncompliance with this or for acts related to enforcement of this"
Remember how they passed seat belt laws and they lied and said, it's just a ticket, you can't be pulled over for it?
And then they started pulling people over?
And then that lady got arrested and hauled into jail for not wearing a seat belt?
And the courts said, that's cool with us, bitch deserved it?
And had she resisted that arrest, lethal force would not only have been justified under the law, it is demanded.
No seriously.
A police force, any at all, is state-sanctioned violence.
Any law or regulation whatsoever has a hidden "and we can kill you if you don't comply clause."
No law or regulation is written to say "no one can be arrested for noncompliance with this or for acts related to enforcement of this"
Remember how they passed seat belt laws and they lied and said, it's just a ticket, you can't be pulled over for it?
And then they started pulling people over?
And then that lady got arrested and hauled into jail for not wearing a seat belt?
And the courts said, that's cool with us, bitch deserved it?
And had she resisted that arrest, lethal force would not only have been justified under the law, it is demanded.
Posted by: RoyalOil at May 28, 2020 11:23 AM (aO8Gd)
Posted by: Lizzy at May 28, 2020 11:23 AM (bDqIh)
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Well said, CBD.
Posted by: WitchDoktor, back to no one giving a damn. at May 28, 2020 11:23 AM (C+We0)
Posted by: eleven at May 28, 2020 11:23 AM (QLPEO)
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I'm wondering when the local water cops will be deploying in a Patrol Boat, Riverene.
.50s and mini-guns and Kevlar deckhouse.
Piracy on Offats Bayou will soon be but a memory.
*sigh*
(not an extreme exaggeration, a lot of the local water cops operate surplus coast guard RIBs. And the pintle mounts are still on 'em.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim
You should see the PBR DPS has. Yes.
With twin 50's.
.50s and mini-guns and Kevlar deckhouse.
Piracy on Offats Bayou will soon be but a memory.
*sigh*
(not an extreme exaggeration, a lot of the local water cops operate surplus coast guard RIBs. And the pintle mounts are still on 'em.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim
You should see the PBR DPS has. Yes.
With twin 50's.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 28, 2020 11:23 AM (GvEen)
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Shut it all down.
Posted by: MAGA at May 28, 2020 11:23 AM (bloh/)
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126 *stands up
I also loved Prometheus
Posted by: MJ at May 28, 2020 11:23 AM (gAMkn)
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And you, good sir, have discovered the way to enter Heaven.
I also loved Prometheus
Posted by: MJ at May 28, 2020 11:23 AM (gAMkn)
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And you, good sir, have discovered the way to enter Heaven.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 28, 2020 11:24 AM (LvTSG)
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the action by the cop with knee on neck of handcuffed man is inexcusable ... poor training? diversity hire? ... Given the Somali cop that murdered the white woman months back ... it may partly be a regional or Minneapolis specific problem, idk.
But if it is a white cop on black victim, the optics are worse, even if it was not race related. Was that cop a white-Hispanic? No excuse for Somali cop or this cop, in any case (judging mostly by one pic of knee on neck). And perhaps the cops standing by watching also have some legal jeopardy. This is not a "I can't breathe" situation ... (that guy had health problems, not a knee on his neck).
But if it is a white cop on black victim, the optics are worse, even if it was not race related. Was that cop a white-Hispanic? No excuse for Somali cop or this cop, in any case (judging mostly by one pic of knee on neck). And perhaps the cops standing by watching also have some legal jeopardy. This is not a "I can't breathe" situation ... (that guy had health problems, not a knee on his neck).
Posted by: illiniwek at May 28, 2020 11:24 AM (Cus5s)
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"How about by arresting EVERYONE who breaks the law, or no one.
Stop the fucking picking and choosing."
A good start would have been outside the Target and AutoZone stores. Why didn't they block the doors?
Stop the fucking picking and choosing."
A good start would have been outside the Target and AutoZone stores. Why didn't they block the doors?
Posted by: freaked at May 28, 2020 11:24 AM (Tnijr)
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>>The infamous "root cause" is the misery and genocide of Black America at the hands of Democrat Leftists.
Yes. It is a Cultural Problem. A Cuture created by the Democrat Party of America and left alone to fester out of fear of being ostracized/canceled.
Yes. It is a Cultural Problem. A Cuture created by the Democrat Party of America and left alone to fester out of fear of being ostracized/canceled.
Posted by: garrett at May 28, 2020 11:24 AM (J3k9x)
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I'm wondering when the local water cops will be deploying in a Patrol Boat, Riverene.
.50s and mini-guns and Kevlar deckhouse.
Piracy on Offats Bayou will soon be but a memory.
*sigh*
(not an extreme exaggeration, a lot of the local water cops operate surplus coast guard RIBs. And the pintle mounts are still on 'em.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim
Too late.
Go sit down on the Tacoma WA Thea Ross Waterfront any day of the week. Boston whalers cruising up and down, up and down.
.50s and mini-guns and Kevlar deckhouse.
Piracy on Offats Bayou will soon be but a memory.
*sigh*
(not an extreme exaggeration, a lot of the local water cops operate surplus coast guard RIBs. And the pintle mounts are still on 'em.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim
Too late.
Go sit down on the Tacoma WA Thea Ross Waterfront any day of the week. Boston whalers cruising up and down, up and down.
Posted by: Diogenes at May 28, 2020 11:24 AM (axyOa)
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I saw that.
Haven't seen that in my sleepy little mostly white, mostly conservative, completely rural town in years. The force here is about a dozen officers.
Always in battle rattle, and never very friendly.
I guess I don't understand.
Posted by: Diogenes at May 28, 2020 11:21 AM (axyOa)
That is bizarre. I live in a rural area , with tiny towns that have six or seven cops. None are in anything but regular police wear. Biggest change is the extra holster for a taser, and I have seen this stuff up close, as I would stand in line at the Speedway with the cop in front of me waiting to pay for his coffee. Which was gratis from the gas station, or from a patron offering to pay. And calling the cop by his first name, since they live in the area.
Haven't seen that in my sleepy little mostly white, mostly conservative, completely rural town in years. The force here is about a dozen officers.
Always in battle rattle, and never very friendly.
I guess I don't understand.
Posted by: Diogenes at May 28, 2020 11:21 AM (axyOa)
That is bizarre. I live in a rural area , with tiny towns that have six or seven cops. None are in anything but regular police wear. Biggest change is the extra holster for a taser, and I have seen this stuff up close, as I would stand in line at the Speedway with the cop in front of me waiting to pay for his coffee. Which was gratis from the gas station, or from a patron offering to pay. And calling the cop by his first name, since they live in the area.
Posted by: Jen the original at May 28, 2020 11:25 AM (lYxPX)
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The penalty for resisting arrest should not be death.
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I still haven't seen any indication he was resisting arrest, was there new video this morning?
There is another problem here that no one seems to be paying attention to. If folks see that surrendering to cops means you get killed anyway, we're going to see less folks surrendering to cops and more taking a chance on shooting their way out of the situation.
It's why the military respects a white flag.
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I still haven't seen any indication he was resisting arrest, was there new video this morning?
There is another problem here that no one seems to be paying attention to. If folks see that surrendering to cops means you get killed anyway, we're going to see less folks surrendering to cops and more taking a chance on shooting their way out of the situation.
It's why the military respects a white flag.
Posted by: Methos at May 28, 2020 11:25 AM (kOpft)
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43 >>Before all of the facts are in, why weren't they just put on leave?
It was the Pols hope that it would keep Looting and Rioting to a Minimum.
Posted by: garrett at May 28, 2020 11:09 AM (J3k9x)
Because they stupidly believe those that riot actually care about that and it's not just an excuse to get themselves a brand new 50" for free.
It was the Pols hope that it would keep Looting and Rioting to a Minimum.
Posted by: garrett at May 28, 2020 11:09 AM (J3k9x)
Because they stupidly believe those that riot actually care about that and it's not just an excuse to get themselves a brand new 50" for free.
Posted by: Buzzion at May 28, 2020 11:25 AM (H0VWd)
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How about by arresting EVERYONE who breaks the law, or no one.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 28, 2020 11:19 AM (GvEen)
Works for me. But that includes cops.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 28, 2020 11:19 AM (GvEen)
Works for me. But that includes cops.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 28, 2020 11:25 AM (dLLD6)
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I'll take a U.S. Army soldier or Marine any day over some of these wannabe special forces tough guys who are cops.
There is something to be said for a sargent waiting to put a boot in your ass if you do anything stupid.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
Agreed.
I'll take a U.S. Army soldier or Marine any day over some of these wannabe special forces tough guys who are cops.
There is something to be said for a sargent waiting to put a boot in your ass if you do anything stupid.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
Agreed.
Posted by: Diogenes at May 28, 2020 11:25 AM (axyOa)
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71 Actually, I'm pretty sure if a soldier got caught kneeling on someone's neck until they died, there would be some actual accountability.
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Depends on the circumstances. Soldiers kill people. Its what they do. If you have to use your knee, so be it. I prefer the Entrenching Tool as a last weapon.
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Depends on the circumstances. Soldiers kill people. Its what they do. If you have to use your knee, so be it. I prefer the Entrenching Tool as a last weapon.
Posted by: Puddin Head at May 28, 2020 11:25 AM (hxWDw)
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76 New people here? Don't recognize some
Posted by: It's me donna at May 28, 2020 11:14 AM (Zmnko)
I'm in disguise. Don't tell anyone.
Posted by: It's me donna at May 28, 2020 11:14 AM (Zmnko)
I'm in disguise. Don't tell anyone.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 28, 2020 11:26 AM (NWiLs)
Posted by: eleven at May 28, 2020 11:26 AM (QLPEO)
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So what?
Posted by: Balrog of Morgoth at May 28, 2020 11:17 AM (CLteG)
I believe she's trying to find out what happened in the morning thread...no be unfriendly.
Posted by: Balrog of Morgoth at May 28, 2020 11:17 AM (CLteG)
I believe she's trying to find out what happened in the morning thread...no be unfriendly.
Posted by: Laughing in Texas at May 28, 2020 11:26 AM (DiT5w)
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146 76 New people here? Don't recognize some
Posted by: It's me donna at May 28, 2020 11:14 AM (Zmnko)
I'm in disguise. Don't tell anyone.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 28, 2020 11:26 AM (NWiLs)
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It's the employment.
Posted by: It's me donna at May 28, 2020 11:14 AM (Zmnko)
I'm in disguise. Don't tell anyone.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 28, 2020 11:26 AM (NWiLs)
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It's the employment.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 28, 2020 11:26 AM (LvTSG)
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I give police a bit more leeway than ordinary folks because they are specifically putting themselves at risk trying to capture and subdue the worst sort of people usually in the worst sort of places. They have to act aggressively, forcefully, and overwhelmingly to gain control or easily lose control of a situation.
They're almost always outnumbered, often by hostile people, far away from friends and support. They're necessarily dealing with people who are violent, often crazed or intoxicated, and usually desperate. So getting immediate, overpowering control and keeping it until they can get back to base makes sense and saves lives -- not just theirs but bystanders who might get caught up in madness or stray attacks.
So I get the idea of taking total control of a situation, using whatever means they feel are necessary to protect themselves and resolve a situation. Sometimes that's going to look pretty bad or overpowering.
But this was not one of those situations. The man was not at any stage we've seen offering significant, let alone violent, resistance. He was not being troublesome or demonstrating any need for extraordinary restraining. The cop just wanted to keep him down and under control and murdered him.
For good reasons, we hold police to a standard we don't ordinary people. If you mess up, that reflects on you personally. If a cop messes up, that reflects on the entire body and police force. Because they are all trained the same, work together, and are there to control and restrain each other, not just the perpetrator.
This guy killed a man, and his fellow three officers stood around and let it happen. The rioting is at least in part on them: they caused it by their stupid, awful actions. Also, I suspect the riots were prompted by a lot of background agitation and prompting, but that's another issue.
They're almost always outnumbered, often by hostile people, far away from friends and support. They're necessarily dealing with people who are violent, often crazed or intoxicated, and usually desperate. So getting immediate, overpowering control and keeping it until they can get back to base makes sense and saves lives -- not just theirs but bystanders who might get caught up in madness or stray attacks.
So I get the idea of taking total control of a situation, using whatever means they feel are necessary to protect themselves and resolve a situation. Sometimes that's going to look pretty bad or overpowering.
But this was not one of those situations. The man was not at any stage we've seen offering significant, let alone violent, resistance. He was not being troublesome or demonstrating any need for extraordinary restraining. The cop just wanted to keep him down and under control and murdered him.
For good reasons, we hold police to a standard we don't ordinary people. If you mess up, that reflects on you personally. If a cop messes up, that reflects on the entire body and police force. Because they are all trained the same, work together, and are there to control and restrain each other, not just the perpetrator.
This guy killed a man, and his fellow three officers stood around and let it happen. The rioting is at least in part on them: they caused it by their stupid, awful actions. Also, I suspect the riots were prompted by a lot of background agitation and prompting, but that's another issue.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 28, 2020 11:26 AM (KZzsI)
Posted by: garrett at May 28, 2020 11:26 AM (J3k9x)
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How about by arresting EVERYONE who breaks the law, or no one.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 28, 2020 11:19 AM (GvEen)
Works for me. But that includes cops.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
Kinda goes with everyone.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 28, 2020 11:19 AM (GvEen)
Works for me. But that includes cops.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
Kinda goes with everyone.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 28, 2020 11:27 AM (GvEen)
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I'm in disguise. Don't tell anyone.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 28, 2020 11:26 AM (NWiLs)
That explains the purple feather on your head.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 28, 2020 11:26 AM (NWiLs)
That explains the purple feather on your head.
Posted by: grammie winger at May 28, 2020 11:27 AM (lwiT4)
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150 >> New people here? Don't recognize some
Well. I shaved and got a haircut.
Posted by: garrett at May 28, 2020 11:26 AM (J3k9x)
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Two bits?
Well. I shaved and got a haircut.
Posted by: garrett at May 28, 2020 11:26 AM (J3k9x)
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Two bits?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 28, 2020 11:27 AM (LvTSG)
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 28, 2020 11:27 AM (NWiLs)
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It's me. I just LOOK like Cousin It but it's me.
Posted by: bluebell at May 28, 2020 11:27 AM (/669Q)
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In everyday life there are bad Doctors, Bad Dentists ( is that double negative?), bad lawyers, bad soldiers sailors and marines, bad accountants, bad ditch diggers, bad nurses, bad commentators, bad senators, and yes bad cops. Don't over think this.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 28, 2020 11:28 AM (nRk/c)
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152 I'm in disguise. Don't tell anyone.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 28, 2020 11:26 AM (NWiLs)
That explains the purple feather on your head.
Posted by: grammie winger at May 28, 2020 11:27 AM (lwiT4)
Goes great with the pimp hat.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 28, 2020 11:26 AM (NWiLs)
That explains the purple feather on your head.
Posted by: grammie winger at May 28, 2020 11:27 AM (lwiT4)
Goes great with the pimp hat.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 28, 2020 11:28 AM (NWiLs)
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What the Hell is going on here!?
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Charlize Theron is pretty hot. And I love SciFi. There are such slim pickens in SciFi these days so perhaps my perception is skewed.
Nope.
LOVE THAT MOVIE, FUCKERS!
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Charlize Theron is pretty hot. And I love SciFi. There are such slim pickens in SciFi these days so perhaps my perception is skewed.
Nope.
LOVE THAT MOVIE, FUCKERS!
Posted by: MJ at May 28, 2020 11:28 AM (gAMkn)
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BUT DO THE RIOTERS HAVE MASKS ON?????????
Posted by: Karen at May 28, 2020 11:28 AM (CLteG)
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I'm in disguise. Don't tell anyone.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 28, 2020 11:26 AM (NWiLs)
That skirt looks fabulous, but really...4" heels for work?
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 28, 2020 11:26 AM (NWiLs)
That skirt looks fabulous, but really...4" heels for work?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 28, 2020 11:28 AM (dLLD6)
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Whack a troll in progress...
Posted by: Catman at May 28, 2020 11:28 AM (4HMlb)
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"Watching that video, all I could think was: "You're a white cop kneeling on a black dude's neck. You don't think this is being recorded and that it will end up going viral on the Internet? You don't think it will make people angry?" It was not only wrong, but incredibly dumb."
It makes me wonder what the cop was experiencing that trumped his reason. A dopamine rush because he was getting off on his Power? Because it doesn't follow that a cop could be that "dumb" and survive his first year on the force.
Also, what hap to all the comments from the last thread? I can't access them.
It makes me wonder what the cop was experiencing that trumped his reason. A dopamine rush because he was getting off on his Power? Because it doesn't follow that a cop could be that "dumb" and survive his first year on the force.
Also, what hap to all the comments from the last thread? I can't access them.
Posted by: Fen at May 28, 2020 11:29 AM (TNHVJ)
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It's me. I just LOOK like Cousin It but it's me.
Posted by: bluebell at May 28, 2020 11:27 AM (/669Q)
#twodays
Posted by: bluebell at May 28, 2020 11:27 AM (/669Q)
#twodays
Posted by: grammie winger at May 28, 2020 11:29 AM (lwiT4)
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Why did all the comments disappear from JJ's Morning Report? I was out doing stuff and when I came back and refreshed - all were gone. Did I miss something?
Posted by: cfo mom at May 28, 2020 11:29 AM (RfzVr)
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I'm going to Florida next week and the only thing I'm looking forward to is getting a haircut.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 28, 2020 11:29 AM (ZLI7S)
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The Antifa/BLM took advantage of the situation to create mayhem -- they don't care about George Floyd or police brutality, only destruction and violence. What's that line in The Dark Knight -- some men just want to watch the world burn? That's them.
However, that doesn't change the fact that there is no defending the cops in this situation. That video with that cop with his knee on George Floyd's neck was horrific. I have absolutely no sympathy.
In summary: I understand there needs to be a formal investigation, but I hope all 4 cops are charged and arrested quickly. Then the process can play out in the courts.
But I also have no sympathy for the rioters and looters.
However, that doesn't change the fact that there is no defending the cops in this situation. That video with that cop with his knee on George Floyd's neck was horrific. I have absolutely no sympathy.
In summary: I understand there needs to be a formal investigation, but I hope all 4 cops are charged and arrested quickly. Then the process can play out in the courts.
But I also have no sympathy for the rioters and looters.
Posted by: Venus at May 28, 2020 11:29 AM (iYXhj)
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There is something to be said for a sargent waiting to put a boot in your ass if you do anything stupid.
Well, theoretically its supposed to work the same way with the police. They are supposed to be accountable to higher office and their immediate superiors who are meant to train away and restrain stupidity, then punish if necessary.
The problem is, the entire system has shifted to being like a firebase in Vietnam: us vs them, surrounded by the enemy. The philosophy of police is the "Blue Wall" thing where they view themselves as being isolated and opposed by everyone, united as a single front against the world. So Jackson broke that guy's arm, he's one of us.
Well, theoretically its supposed to work the same way with the police. They are supposed to be accountable to higher office and their immediate superiors who are meant to train away and restrain stupidity, then punish if necessary.
The problem is, the entire system has shifted to being like a firebase in Vietnam: us vs them, surrounded by the enemy. The philosophy of police is the "Blue Wall" thing where they view themselves as being isolated and opposed by everyone, united as a single front against the world. So Jackson broke that guy's arm, he's one of us.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 28, 2020 11:29 AM (KZzsI)
Posted by: THE SUPERSUCKERS at May 28, 2020 11:29 AM (J3k9x)
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I'm in disguise. Don't tell anyone.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo
You were never in disguise when you were unemployed !
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo
You were never in disguise when you were unemployed !
Posted by: JT at May 28, 2020 11:29 AM (arJlL)
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Again, I am not anywhere near ACAB, but I do think that the whole "resisting arrest" crap is used by the less-than-honest cops to justify their abuses. I've seen several videos where a person is being beaten and the cops are yelling "STOP RESISTING" when it's clear the victim is limp as Michael Moore's belly fat.
We really need to rethink the relationship we have with law enforcement.
We really need to rethink the relationship we have with law enforcement.
Posted by: WitchDoktor, back to no one giving a damn. at May 28, 2020 11:29 AM (C+We0)
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Remember to get your looting in early, before all the good stuff is gone.
Posted by: Axeman at May 28, 2020 11:29 AM (Eicbe)
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Hallelujah, grammie.
Posted by: bluebell at May 28, 2020 11:30 AM (/669Q)
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For too many LEOs, maybe especially newer ones:
Old slogan: To Protect and Serve
New slogan: Whatever it takes to get me home tonight
Old slogan: To Protect and Serve
New slogan: Whatever it takes to get me home tonight
Posted by: FloridaMan at May 28, 2020 11:30 AM (MciqG)
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This situation is particularly upsetting to me as I lived through a similar incident in Detroit. We had an AA man killed by the police and the ensuing riots. Malice Green, the man killed, was turned into a hero-I don't even remember what he was guilty of-and Detroit was again a very dangerous place. It hurts everybody. The police involved in the incident went to prison, but damage was done all the way around. Nobody wins in these situations.
Posted by: Chillin the most at May 28, 2020 11:30 AM (lonOK)
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155 In everyday life there are bad Doctors, Bad Dentists ( is that double negative?), bad lawyers, bad soldiers sailors and marines, bad accountants, bad ditch diggers, bad nurses, bad commentators, bad senators, and yes bad cops. Don't over think this.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 28, 2020 11:28 AM (nRk/c)
Except ditch diggers, doctors, lawyers, dentists, etc aren't given badges, guns and arrest powers, indoctrinated on an "us versus them" mentality, and told the only thing that matters is that they get to go home safely at night.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 28, 2020 11:28 AM (nRk/c)
Except ditch diggers, doctors, lawyers, dentists, etc aren't given badges, guns and arrest powers, indoctrinated on an "us versus them" mentality, and told the only thing that matters is that they get to go home safely at night.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 28, 2020 11:30 AM (NWiLs)
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Last night, I found myself thinking meanly: "OK, Antifa and scumbag looters, want to make a real "protest?" Don't loot Target and the Dollar Store - head over to the homes of the Mayor and city council. In LA, start looting Beverly Hills and Malibu if you're so upset about capitalism."
Of course, they'd never do that, since it would instantly turn many limo libs into conservatives.
Of course, they'd never do that, since it would instantly turn many limo libs into conservatives.
Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V at May 28, 2020 11:30 AM (HabA/)
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I'm in disguise. Don't tell anyone.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo
You were never in disguise when you were unemployed !
Posted by: JT
It's real hard to get fired when you are unemployed.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo
You were never in disguise when you were unemployed !
Posted by: JT
It's real hard to get fired when you are unemployed.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 28, 2020 11:30 AM (GvEen)
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I hope all 4 cops are charged and arrested quickly
What are you going to charge the cops who were just watching with?
What are you going to charge the cops who were just watching with?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 28, 2020 11:30 AM (nRk/c)
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The more the morals and virtue of "the people" are lost, the more laws and force have to be applied to sustain the semblance of order.
It's really as simple as that.
It's really as simple as that.
Posted by: Sooner at May 28, 2020 11:30 AM (Fs5vw)
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We need some new lcrappy laws that we can use at our whim!
Okay, who should enforce these laws?
The police!!
Okay, who should enforce these laws?
The police!!
Posted by: Bruce at May 28, 2020 11:31 AM (ONqMO)
Posted by: Flubber at May 28, 2020 11:31 AM (PQnIX)
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... A police force, any at all, is state-sanctioned violence. ...
Posted by: RoyalOil at May 28, 2020 11:23 AM (aO8Gd)
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It is. So what is the state sanctioning? The problem is the policy. Some cop shops are just bad, but they all pursue the policies of the states for which they work. If the state sucks (and they do), the cops enforcing their edicts are going to suck. The threat of deadly force is there in *every* police interaction. So for what has the state permitted them the use of that force?
Way too many things. And then there is liability in that there is virtually no consequence for misuse of that deadly force, which leads to it being used more.
Posted by: RoyalOil at May 28, 2020 11:23 AM (aO8Gd)
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It is. So what is the state sanctioning? The problem is the policy. Some cop shops are just bad, but they all pursue the policies of the states for which they work. If the state sucks (and they do), the cops enforcing their edicts are going to suck. The threat of deadly force is there in *every* police interaction. So for what has the state permitted them the use of that force?
Way too many things. And then there is liability in that there is virtually no consequence for misuse of that deadly force, which leads to it being used more.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 28, 2020 11:31 AM (hYcqw)
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In summary: I understand there needs to be a formal investigation, but I hope all 4 cops are charged and arrested quickly. Then the process can play out in the courts.
The problem is that the DA usually goes for ridiculously overbloated charges, overreaching ridiculously, and juries will often say "look he's guilty but not of THOSE charges"
The problem is that the DA usually goes for ridiculously overbloated charges, overreaching ridiculously, and juries will often say "look he's guilty but not of THOSE charges"
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 28, 2020 11:31 AM (KZzsI)
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Well. I shaved and got a haircut.
Posted by: garrett at May 28, 2020 11:26 AM (J3k9x)
I took a shower, so there's that.
Posted by: garrett at May 28, 2020 11:26 AM (J3k9x)
I took a shower, so there's that.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at May 28, 2020 11:31 AM (ufFY8)
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I'll take a U.S. Army soldier or Marine any day over some of these wannabe special forces tough guys who are cops.
There is something to be said for a sargent waiting to put a boot in your ass if you do anything stupid.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
The brig is full of soldiers that have broken the rules. We live in an imperfect world with imperfect people. To expect even close to perfection is to set yourself up for disappointment.
There is something to be said for a sargent waiting to put a boot in your ass if you do anything stupid.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
The brig is full of soldiers that have broken the rules. We live in an imperfect world with imperfect people. To expect even close to perfection is to set yourself up for disappointment.
Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 28, 2020 11:31 AM (2DOZq)
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- be polite
- don't resist arrest
- don't commit crimes
In my college days while traveling across country many times, I would sometimes miss an exit and mistakenly exit into a neighborhood I shouldn't be in to turn around and get back on the interstate or highway. I was pulled over on 8 different occasions because of this. I was polite, explained to the officers the situation, and even allowed them to search my car if they asked. I knew I was being profiled for being white in a black or mexican neighborhood. Did I bitch or complain? Nope. Did I act violent and resist and act Ike a dick? Nope. Did I understand why the cops pulled me over? Yep. I was white with out of state plates in a gang infested neighborhood so cops justifiably assumed I was up to no good. Would I have taken to social media to complain and bitch later? Nope.
This has nothing to do with democrat policies. Places like South Africa and Europe have nothing to do with democrat policies.
Stop making excuses for different groups of people like they have no agency. Cuckservatives play identity politics like democrats do, but they leave off the white man bad part.... it's only implied while they give tongue baths to every other group for that larger tent strategy. Good luck with throwing your base and majority to the wolves, it's been working out great so far since 1965.
- be polite
- don't resist arrest
- don't commit crimes
In my college days while traveling across country many times, I would sometimes miss an exit and mistakenly exit into a neighborhood I shouldn't be in to turn around and get back on the interstate or highway. I was pulled over on 8 different occasions because of this. I was polite, explained to the officers the situation, and even allowed them to search my car if they asked. I knew I was being profiled for being white in a black or mexican neighborhood. Did I bitch or complain? Nope. Did I act violent and resist and act Ike a dick? Nope. Did I understand why the cops pulled me over? Yep. I was white with out of state plates in a gang infested neighborhood so cops justifiably assumed I was up to no good. Would I have taken to social media to complain and bitch later? Nope.
This has nothing to do with democrat policies. Places like South Africa and Europe have nothing to do with democrat policies.
Stop making excuses for different groups of people like they have no agency. Cuckservatives play identity politics like democrats do, but they leave off the white man bad part.... it's only implied while they give tongue baths to every other group for that larger tent strategy. Good luck with throwing your base and majority to the wolves, it's been working out great so far since 1965.
Posted by: Widespread Pepe at May 28, 2020 11:31 AM (p0Y1J)
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Remember to get your looting in early, before all the good stuff is gone.
Posted by: Axeman
Head to the stockroom. Not the picked over shelves.
Posted by: Axeman
Head to the stockroom. Not the picked over shelves.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 28, 2020 11:32 AM (GvEen)
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Man, Target really shouldn't have kneeled on that guy's neck.
Posted by: Axeman at May 28, 2020 11:32 AM (Eicbe)
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Kinda goes with everyone.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 28, 2020 11:27 AM (GvEen)
You and I may agree, but when deputy dog with the special forces tats gets into a fight in a bar, I want his ass in jail. No special consideration.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 28, 2020 11:27 AM (GvEen)
You and I may agree, but when deputy dog with the special forces tats gets into a fight in a bar, I want his ass in jail. No special consideration.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 28, 2020 11:32 AM (dLLD6)
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Read up yesterday on Floyd's background.
He was from Houston, where he was involved in an armed home invasion, was caught and served five years in prison. Upon release, he ended up coming to Milwaukee to search for a job and ended up working security for the Salvation Army( I'm sure he wasn't armed) since he was 6'6 and very imposing.
He then got a job as a bouncer at a restaurant(not sure what kind of restaurant needs a bouncer) but was laid off when Covid 19 hit and the restaurant closed.
His friends said he was trying to stay on the straight and narrow as a parolee. They have zero idea why he would be trying to pass a counterfeit $20 as that was not something he was into doing.
So whether he was really resisting arrest , who knows, but as Bongino said, he was down and cuffed and that was when the force needed to immediately end.
He was from Houston, where he was involved in an armed home invasion, was caught and served five years in prison. Upon release, he ended up coming to Milwaukee to search for a job and ended up working security for the Salvation Army( I'm sure he wasn't armed) since he was 6'6 and very imposing.
He then got a job as a bouncer at a restaurant(not sure what kind of restaurant needs a bouncer) but was laid off when Covid 19 hit and the restaurant closed.
His friends said he was trying to stay on the straight and narrow as a parolee. They have zero idea why he would be trying to pass a counterfeit $20 as that was not something he was into doing.
So whether he was really resisting arrest , who knows, but as Bongino said, he was down and cuffed and that was when the force needed to immediately end.
Posted by: Jen the original at May 28, 2020 11:32 AM (lYxPX)
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That was straight-up murder, and that cop knew it.... the expression on his face after they loaded the body onto the stretcher said it all...... hate to be dark, but that guy will eat his gun, he won't want to go to prison being the cop who killed the black guy, wouldn't last a day.
Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at May 28, 2020 11:32 AM (jjaLl)
Posted by: Bert G at May 28, 2020 11:32 AM (OMsf+)
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It's me. I just LOOK like Cousin It but it's me.
Posted by: bluebell
I don't believe ya.
I share a dumpster w/ another tenant and my landlord.
Yesterday, there were FIVE 1" wide rolls of pink ribbon in there.
And I thought of you.
Posted by: bluebell
I don't believe ya.
I share a dumpster w/ another tenant and my landlord.
Yesterday, there were FIVE 1" wide rolls of pink ribbon in there.
And I thought of you.
Posted by: JT at May 28, 2020 11:32 AM (arJlL)
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145
*stands up
I also loved Prometheus
What the Hell is going on here!?
it's a virus. one of the more obscure covid-19 symptoms.
*stands up
I also loved Prometheus
What the Hell is going on here!?
it's a virus. one of the more obscure covid-19 symptoms.
Posted by: Anachronda at May 28, 2020 11:32 AM (sGtp+)
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169 Again, I am not anywhere near ACAB, but I do think that the whole "resisting arrest" crap is used by the less-than-honest cops to justify their abuses. I've seen several videos where a person is being beaten and the cops are yelling "STOP RESISTING" when it's clear the victim is limp as Michael Moore's belly fat.
We really need to rethink the relationship we have with law enforcement.
Posted by: WitchDoktor, back to no one giving a damn. at May 28, 2020 11:29 AM (C+We0)
It's part of their training. They do that so if/when it goes to trial they've created witnesses who heard loudly and repeatedly that the arrestee was resisting arrest.
We really need to rethink the relationship we have with law enforcement.
Posted by: WitchDoktor, back to no one giving a damn. at May 28, 2020 11:29 AM (C+We0)
It's part of their training. They do that so if/when it goes to trial they've created witnesses who heard loudly and repeatedly that the arrestee was resisting arrest.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 28, 2020 11:32 AM (NWiLs)
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188 Kinda goes with everyone.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 28, 2020 11:27 AM (GvEen)
You and I may agree, but when deputy dog with the special forces tats gets into a fight in a bar, I want his ass in jail. No special consideration.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 28, 2020 11:32 AM (dLLD6)
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But what if it's just Danny Butterman getting a little loaded? He can just spend the night in the drunk tank and get punished with some ice cream, right?
Posted by: rickb223 at May 28, 2020 11:27 AM (GvEen)
You and I may agree, but when deputy dog with the special forces tats gets into a fight in a bar, I want his ass in jail. No special consideration.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 28, 2020 11:32 AM (dLLD6)
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But what if it's just Danny Butterman getting a little loaded? He can just spend the night in the drunk tank and get punished with some ice cream, right?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 28, 2020 11:32 AM (LvTSG)
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What are you going to charge the cops who were just watching with?
Most states have laws that give a lesser, related charge to people who contribute to but are not directly involved in a homicide, like the guy who drives the getaway car can be charged with robbery even if he wasn't in the bank stealing the money.
Most states have laws that give a lesser, related charge to people who contribute to but are not directly involved in a homicide, like the guy who drives the getaway car can be charged with robbery even if he wasn't in the bank stealing the money.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 28, 2020 11:33 AM (KZzsI)
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Now more than ever.
Posted by: National Divorce at May 28, 2020 11:33 AM (SJDa9)
Posted by: grammie winger at May 28, 2020 11:33 AM (lwiT4)
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The brig is full of soldiers that have broken the
rules. We live in an imperfect world with imperfect people. To
expect even close to perfection is to set yourself up for
disappointment.
Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 28, 2020 11:31 AM (2DOZq)
How many cops are in jail?
rules. We live in an imperfect world with imperfect people. To
expect even close to perfection is to set yourself up for
disappointment.
Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 28, 2020 11:31 AM (2DOZq)
How many cops are in jail?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 28, 2020 11:33 AM (dLLD6)
200
It makes me wonder what the cop was experiencing that trumped his
reason. A dopamine rush because he was getting off on his Power?
Because it doesn't follow that a cop could be that "dumb" and survive
his first year on the force.
It's the Cartman effect: RESPECT MAH AUTHORITAH.
reason. A dopamine rush because he was getting off on his Power?
Because it doesn't follow that a cop could be that "dumb" and survive
his first year on the force.
It's the Cartman effect: RESPECT MAH AUTHORITAH.
Posted by: Ian S. at May 28, 2020 11:33 AM (6XLoz)
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The real hoot is that Target's HQ is in the Twin Cities. Wonder what kind of choice words are being communicated between Target and the MPD today.
Posted by: Brother Cavil Tim at May 28, 2020 11:34 AM (OUMaO)
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95
76 New people here? Don't recognize some
Posted by: It's me donna at May 28, 2020 11:14 AM (Zmnko)
So what?
Posted by: Balrog of Morgoth at May 28, 2020 11:17 AM (CLteG)
====Hi, It's me donna,I visit this site many times a day because my views and humor are in sync with its creators.
However, I rarely post unless I think I have something worthwhile to say.Not every "new" commenter is a paid troll. I've been visiting this site before Little Green Footballs (LGF) went to the darkside.
This and Conservative Treehouse are my favorite sites.
76 New people here? Don't recognize some
Posted by: It's me donna at May 28, 2020 11:14 AM (Zmnko)
So what?
Posted by: Balrog of Morgoth at May 28, 2020 11:17 AM (CLteG)
====Hi, It's me donna,I visit this site many times a day because my views and humor are in sync with its creators.
However, I rarely post unless I think I have something worthwhile to say.Not every "new" commenter is a paid troll. I've been visiting this site before Little Green Footballs (LGF) went to the darkside.
This and Conservative Treehouse are my favorite sites.
Posted by: Carly at May 28, 2020 11:34 AM (Gaa5N)
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Note the verbal shift over the years from "peace officer" to "law enforcement". The change suggests a change in job description. Time to dial it back.
Posted by: Mr. Barky at May 28, 2020 11:34 AM (JI3du)
Posted by: freaked at May 28, 2020 11:34 AM (Tnijr)
205
Minimalist? You call a monkey painting himself in the reflection of a computer screen minimalist?
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 28, 2020 11:34 AM (r+sAi)
206
I hope all 4 cops are charged and arrested quickly
What are you going to charge the cops who were just watching with?
Posted by: Nevergiveup
Same as you'd charge a getaway driver outside when his accomplice INSIDE the bank kills someone.
What are you going to charge the cops who were just watching with?
Posted by: Nevergiveup
Same as you'd charge a getaway driver outside when his accomplice INSIDE the bank kills someone.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 28, 2020 11:34 AM (GvEen)
207
I'm in disguise. Don't tell anyone.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo
You were never in disguise when you were unemployed !
Posted by: JT
It's real hard to get fired when you are unemployed.
Posted by: rickb223
LOL!!!
Thread Winnah !
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo
You were never in disguise when you were unemployed !
Posted by: JT
It's real hard to get fired when you are unemployed.
Posted by: rickb223
LOL!!!
Thread Winnah !
Posted by: JT at May 28, 2020 11:34 AM (arJlL)
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"I'll take a U.S. Army soldier or Marine any day over some of these wannabe special forces tough guys who are cops."
We (Marines of 3D LAR BN) did routine road blocks and vehicles checks in Bardere Somalia for about a month without needing to kill anyone. Our ROEs were very strict, and we were at great risk, but the only casualty on both sides was one crazy witch lady who kept trying to hex the 5-ton trucks and accidentally got run over.
I have had 3 encounters with Maryland Police and their lack of trigger discipline terrifies me. It's like they just expect that if they accidentally shoot you they can throw down an unmarked firearm and claim self-defense or something
We (Marines of 3D LAR BN) did routine road blocks and vehicles checks in Bardere Somalia for about a month without needing to kill anyone. Our ROEs were very strict, and we were at great risk, but the only casualty on both sides was one crazy witch lady who kept trying to hex the 5-ton trucks and accidentally got run over.
I have had 3 encounters with Maryland Police and their lack of trigger discipline terrifies me. It's like they just expect that if they accidentally shoot you they can throw down an unmarked firearm and claim self-defense or something
Posted by: Fen at May 28, 2020 11:35 AM (TNHVJ)
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Old slogan: To Protect and Serve
New slogan: Whatever it takes to get me home tonight
Posted by: FloridaMan at May 28, 2020 11:30 AM (MciqG)
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Supreme Court: Nah, you don't have to do that, bra.
Posted by: FloridaMan at May 28, 2020 11:30 AM (MciqG)
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Supreme Court: Nah, you don't have to do that, bra.
Posted by: Axeman at May 28, 2020 11:35 AM (Eicbe)
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177 I hope all 4 cops are charged and arrested quickly
What are you going to charge the cops who were just watching with?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 28, 2020 11:30 AM (nRk/c)
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Felony murder. Aiding and abetting a felony.
I'm sure there is something on the books the DOJ can charge.
They're helped facilitate this and deserve to face some consequence.
What are you going to charge the cops who were just watching with?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 28, 2020 11:30 AM (nRk/c)
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Felony murder. Aiding and abetting a felony.
I'm sure there is something on the books the DOJ can charge.
They're helped facilitate this and deserve to face some consequence.
Posted by: Venus at May 28, 2020 11:35 AM (iYXhj)
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183 Well. I shaved and got a haircut.
Posted by: garrett at May 28, 2020 11:26 AM (J3k9x)
where's Mr. DeMille when ya need him
Posted by: garrett at May 28, 2020 11:26 AM (J3k9x)
where's Mr. DeMille when ya need him
Posted by: REDACTED at May 28, 2020 11:35 AM (JgrP5)
212
So Rosenstein testifies on June 3rd and the very next day both Graham and Johnson have scheduled votes to authorize a truckload of subpoenas.
I wonder if these things are related?
@CBS_Herridge
NEW: Business meeting scheduled
@SenRonJohnson
June 4 to authorize subpoenas "Crossfire Hurricane" and "unmasking" TIMING: One day after former Deputy AG Rosenstein scheduled to testify
@LindseyGrahamSC
Senate Judiciary committee
@CBSNews
I wonder if these things are related?
@CBS_Herridge
NEW: Business meeting scheduled
@SenRonJohnson
June 4 to authorize subpoenas "Crossfire Hurricane" and "unmasking" TIMING: One day after former Deputy AG Rosenstein scheduled to testify
@LindseyGrahamSC
Senate Judiciary committee
@CBSNews
Posted by: JackStraw at May 28, 2020 11:35 AM (ZLI7S)
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They have zero idea why he would be trying to pass a counterfeit $20 as that was not something he was into doing.
Most people who pass counterfeit money have no idea that it is in fact counterfeit. Its only really suspicious if you do it a lot or have a suitcase full of the stuff. Passing a single 20 is just bad luck most of the time: you got it from someone else, who got it from someone else, etc.
Most people who pass counterfeit money have no idea that it is in fact counterfeit. Its only really suspicious if you do it a lot or have a suitcase full of the stuff. Passing a single 20 is just bad luck most of the time: you got it from someone else, who got it from someone else, etc.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 28, 2020 11:36 AM (KZzsI)
214
212 So Rosenstein testifies on June 3rd and the very next day both Graham and Johnson have scheduled votes to authorize a truckload of subpoenas.
I wonder if these things are related?
@CBS_Herridge
NEW: Business meeting scheduled
@SenRonJohnson
June 4 to authorize subpoenas "Crossfire Hurricane" and "unmasking" TIMING: One day after former Deputy AG Rosenstein scheduled to testify
@LindseyGrahamSC
Senate Judiciary committee
@CBSNews
Posted by: JackStraw at May 28, 2020 11:35 AM (ZLI7S)
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If it's only theater, I'm okay with that.
If it leads to something the DOJ doesn't have (which I doubt), even better.
I wonder if these things are related?
@CBS_Herridge
NEW: Business meeting scheduled
@SenRonJohnson
June 4 to authorize subpoenas "Crossfire Hurricane" and "unmasking" TIMING: One day after former Deputy AG Rosenstein scheduled to testify
@LindseyGrahamSC
Senate Judiciary committee
@CBSNews
Posted by: JackStraw at May 28, 2020 11:35 AM (ZLI7S)
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If it's only theater, I'm okay with that.
If it leads to something the DOJ doesn't have (which I doubt), even better.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 28, 2020 11:36 AM (LvTSG)
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It seems to me that if we need military equipment on the streets to maintain peace and order in an emergency situation, well, that's why we have a National Guard.
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at May 28, 2020 11:36 AM (H3MF8)
216
>>Nobody wins in these situations.
The activists/race hustlers win.
So do the politicians such as Obama who use these incidents to polarize communities in order to gain votes.
The activists/race hustlers win.
So do the politicians such as Obama who use these incidents to polarize communities in order to gain votes.
Posted by: Lizzy at May 28, 2020 11:36 AM (bDqIh)
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What are you going to charge the cops who were just watching with?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 28, 2020 11:30 AM (nRk/c)
Negligent homicide maybe? Especially the short tough Asian cop with either a Kevlar or a PBR vest on...... he purposely didn't look too much at what the murderer was doing.....
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 28, 2020 11:30 AM (nRk/c)
Negligent homicide maybe? Especially the short tough Asian cop with either a Kevlar or a PBR vest on...... he purposely didn't look too much at what the murderer was doing.....
Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at May 28, 2020 11:36 AM (jjaLl)
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177 I hope all 4 cops are charged and arrested quickly
What are you going to charge the cops who were just watching with?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 28, 2020 11:30 AM (nRk/c)
Accessory to Murder, official Oppression. They witnessed a crime that they could have stopped, and did nothing about it. Also, if the Feds get involved, Civil Rights charges can be brought.
We don't know why the 4th officer was fired, I think there were only 3 on the scene. But my guess is that this is the one who put out the blatantly false press release about the cause of death, which further embarrassed the City.
What are you going to charge the cops who were just watching with?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 28, 2020 11:30 AM (nRk/c)
Accessory to Murder, official Oppression. They witnessed a crime that they could have stopped, and did nothing about it. Also, if the Feds get involved, Civil Rights charges can be brought.
We don't know why the 4th officer was fired, I think there were only 3 on the scene. But my guess is that this is the one who put out the blatantly false press release about the cause of death, which further embarrassed the City.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 28, 2020 11:36 AM (Kpl3J)
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"The fact that we have a rouge DoJ and politicians does not build confidence either."
their DoJ is tranny? like that health official tranny? yes .. that is where the diversity hires can be real trouble. (or maybe you meant rogue ... rogues with rouge are the worst.)
their DoJ is tranny? like that health official tranny? yes .. that is where the diversity hires can be real trouble. (or maybe you meant rogue ... rogues with rouge are the worst.)
Posted by: illiniwek at May 28, 2020 11:36 AM (Cus5s)
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How many cops are in jail?
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The guy that probably killed Jeffrey Epstein was a former cop.
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The guy that probably killed Jeffrey Epstein was a former cop.
Posted by: Puddin Head at May 28, 2020 11:36 AM (hxWDw)
221
Seem to recall a cali cop telling a retarded adult man "now I'm going to F*** you up" as he donned black gloves and proceded to beat him to death.
Found Not Guilty.
Found Not Guilty.
Posted by: banned has rona rage at May 28, 2020 11:37 AM (UKLnl)
222
Sen. Ron Johnson gets very little credit for what he does in my biased 'Sconnie opinion.
Posted by: grammie winger at May 28, 2020 11:37 AM (lwiT4)
223
222 Sen. Ron Johnson gets very little credit for what he does in my biased 'Sconnie opinion.
Posted by: grammie winger at May 28, 2020 11:37 AM (lwiT4)
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Well, he did win re-election completely on his own.
That get kudos at the very least.
Posted by: grammie winger at May 28, 2020 11:37 AM (lwiT4)
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Well, he did win re-election completely on his own.
That get kudos at the very least.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 28, 2020 11:38 AM (LvTSG)
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However, I rarely post unless I think I have
something worthwhile to say.
Posted by: Carly at May 28, 2020 11:34 AM (Gaa5N)
Well, you need to change that attitude or you won't fit in here!
something worthwhile to say.
Posted by: Carly at May 28, 2020 11:34 AM (Gaa5N)
Well, you need to change that attitude or you won't fit in here!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 28, 2020 11:38 AM (dLLD6)
Posted by: garrett at May 28, 2020 11:38 AM (J3k9x)
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Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 28, 2020 11:33 AM (KZzsI)
Some states have a "hand of one/hand of all" law...in SC if you're the driver and your accomplice kills someone during a robbery....you're charged w/the killing as well.
Some states have a "hand of one/hand of all" law...in SC if you're the driver and your accomplice kills someone during a robbery....you're charged w/the killing as well.
Posted by: BignJames at May 28, 2020 11:38 AM (X/Pw5)
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- be polite
- don't resist arrest
- don't commit crimes
Right, be "polite" or you might be killed.
Also, submit to unreasonable search requests, because if you've done nothing wrong then you've got nothing to worry about, right?
- don't resist arrest
- don't commit crimes
Right, be "polite" or you might be killed.
Also, submit to unreasonable search requests, because if you've done nothing wrong then you've got nothing to worry about, right?
Posted by: Fen at May 28, 2020 11:38 AM (TNHVJ)
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Hey TJM and MJ. Put me on the Prometheus list as well. Thanks
Posted by: Wyoming lurker at May 28, 2020 11:39 AM (fT38Y)
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I haven't been following this story closely, so I don't know all the ins
and outs. I did see a picture of the police officer forcefully holding
down the neck of the man who died.
Government with its boot on the neck. There's a metaphor here somewhere.
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The problem is interpreting the metaphor.
The left insists this is racism.
I see it as a microcosm of what government has done to all of us for the last several months.
and outs. I did see a picture of the police officer forcefully holding
down the neck of the man who died.
Government with its boot on the neck. There's a metaphor here somewhere.
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The problem is interpreting the metaphor.
The left insists this is racism.
I see it as a microcosm of what government has done to all of us for the last several months.
Posted by: Methos at May 28, 2020 11:39 AM (kOpft)
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The real hoot is that Target's HQ is in the Twin Cities. Wonder what
kind of choice words are being communicated between Target and the MPD
today.
And the Dayton family that owns Target directly funds (and in some cases actually *is*) the Minnesota Democrat Party. So it's hilarious to me that Target's getting looted.
kind of choice words are being communicated between Target and the MPD
today.
And the Dayton family that owns Target directly funds (and in some cases actually *is*) the Minnesota Democrat Party. So it's hilarious to me that Target's getting looted.
Posted by: Ian S. at May 28, 2020 11:39 AM (6XLoz)
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228 Hey TJM and MJ. Put me on the Prometheus list as well. Thanks
Posted by: Wyoming lurker at May 28, 2020 11:39 AM (fT38Y)
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Posted by: Wyoming lurker at May 28, 2020 11:39 AM (fT38Y)
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It's spreading...
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 28, 2020 11:39 AM (LvTSG)
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They have zero idea why he would be trying to pass a counterfeit $20 as that was not something he was into doing.
Most people who pass counterfeit money have no idea that it is in fact counterfeit. Its only really suspicious if you do it a lot or have a suitcase full of the stuff. Passing a single 20 is just bad luck most of the time: you got it from someone else, who got it from someone else, etc.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
I give the cage tellers shit at the casino when they run my hundred thru the verifier.
"It better be good. The teller at the other window gave it to me".
Most people who pass counterfeit money have no idea that it is in fact counterfeit. Its only really suspicious if you do it a lot or have a suitcase full of the stuff. Passing a single 20 is just bad luck most of the time: you got it from someone else, who got it from someone else, etc.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
I give the cage tellers shit at the casino when they run my hundred thru the verifier.
"It better be good. The teller at the other window gave it to me".
Posted by: rickb223 at May 28, 2020 11:39 AM (GvEen)
233
What are the odds that the cop who killed the guy is a big Hillary fan and a rabid Trump hater?
Posted by: Beckoningchasm Phone at May 28, 2020 11:39 AM (ZkeIl)
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213 They have zero idea why he would be trying to pass a counterfeit $20 as that was not something he was into doing.
Most people who pass counterfeit money have no idea that it is in fact counterfeit. Its only really suspicious if you do it a lot or have a suitcase full of the stuff. Passing a single 20 is just bad luck most of the time: you got it from someone else, who got it from someone else, etc.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 28, 2020 11:36 AM (KZzsI)
Background: he had lost his job due to all the Pandemic shutdowns and was scrambling to come up with money for his kids. Also, he may have passed a counterfeit $20, but that's not evidence that he knew it was bad - perhaps someone had passed it to him in turn.
No matter what, it was a non violent crime, generally not even worth a handcuffing.
Most people who pass counterfeit money have no idea that it is in fact counterfeit. Its only really suspicious if you do it a lot or have a suitcase full of the stuff. Passing a single 20 is just bad luck most of the time: you got it from someone else, who got it from someone else, etc.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 28, 2020 11:36 AM (KZzsI)
Background: he had lost his job due to all the Pandemic shutdowns and was scrambling to come up with money for his kids. Also, he may have passed a counterfeit $20, but that's not evidence that he knew it was bad - perhaps someone had passed it to him in turn.
No matter what, it was a non violent crime, generally not even worth a handcuffing.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 28, 2020 11:39 AM (Kpl3J)
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Well, you need to change that attitude or you won't fit in here!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 28, 2020 11:38 AM (dLLD6)
Wow! A response from CBD! It's like a celebrity has virtually said "hi" to me!Thanks
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 28, 2020 11:38 AM (dLLD6)
Wow! A response from CBD! It's like a celebrity has virtually said "hi" to me!Thanks
Posted by: Carly at May 28, 2020 11:39 AM (Gaa5N)
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Mark Steyn has written on this. He compared the number of civilian killings by police in 2012:
https://tinyurl.com/ya28r5rh
In the USA: 410 civilians corpses
In Germany (a country of 80 million): six killed
In England and Wales for 2012 and 2013: no fatal police shootings
In short, we are way to unconcerned about allowing police to be judge, jury, and executioner
https://tinyurl.com/ya28r5rh
Mark Steyn has written on this. He compared the number of civilian killings by police in 2012:
https://tinyurl.com/ya28r5rh
In the USA: 410 civilians corpses
In Germany (a country of 80 million): six killed
In England and Wales for 2012 and 2013: no fatal police shootings
In short, we are way to unconcerned about allowing police to be judge, jury, and executioner
https://tinyurl.com/ya28r5rh
Posted by: FloridaMan at May 28, 2020 11:39 AM (MciqG)
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Seem to recall a cali cop telling a retarded adult man "now I'm going to F*** you up" as he donned black gloves and proceded to beat him to death.
Found Not Guilty.
Again, a lot of the times the DA overcharges. They take a brutality case and try it as attempted murder and lynching. Juries go "well he was wrong but he didn't do that" and find them not guilty.
Whether its on purpose to get the cop to skate or its an overzealous attempt to punish the police, I have no idea. But it generally backfires.
Found Not Guilty.
Again, a lot of the times the DA overcharges. They take a brutality case and try it as attempted murder and lynching. Juries go "well he was wrong but he didn't do that" and find them not guilty.
Whether its on purpose to get the cop to skate or its an overzealous attempt to punish the police, I have no idea. But it generally backfires.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 28, 2020 11:39 AM (KZzsI)
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I've told it before, but this seems like a good place to tell it again.
Little Rock, 1972. My place was a dingy one-room that I think might've been a remodeled tool shed. So, I didn't spend much time there. Hot summer days especially.
One evening, I was over where the fast-food places were. Had my burger and fries, and was sitting on the hood of my car, eating and reading some paperback by the parking-lot lights.
(I probably thought, "Maybe some hot single girl will notice me and think, look, a nice-looking boy who reads - I want to do him tonight!" Instead
A LR police car pulls up, and the officer signals to me. They had had a report of "some kid acting crazy in the parking lot." Yeah, sitting on my car's hood, reading. Crazy! ("The Karens you have with you always.") Officer was amused.
So while I'm standing there chatting with the nice officer, I notice the shield painted on his door, with the slogan in Latin. My Latin is much rustier today than then, but I think it was....
"Publius Regnat," I read aloud, "The People Rule."
The officer frowned, "Is that what it means?"
"Yeah," I said, "The people rule."
He frowned more, shook his head, and growled, "Not anymore they don't." And he drove off.
Nigh on fifty years ago.
Little Rock, 1972. My place was a dingy one-room that I think might've been a remodeled tool shed. So, I didn't spend much time there. Hot summer days especially.
One evening, I was over where the fast-food places were. Had my burger and fries, and was sitting on the hood of my car, eating and reading some paperback by the parking-lot lights.
(I probably thought, "Maybe some hot single girl will notice me and think, look, a nice-looking boy who reads - I want to do him tonight!" Instead
A LR police car pulls up, and the officer signals to me. They had had a report of "some kid acting crazy in the parking lot." Yeah, sitting on my car's hood, reading. Crazy! ("The Karens you have with you always.") Officer was amused.
So while I'm standing there chatting with the nice officer, I notice the shield painted on his door, with the slogan in Latin. My Latin is much rustier today than then, but I think it was....
"Publius Regnat," I read aloud, "The People Rule."
The officer frowned, "Is that what it means?"
"Yeah," I said, "The people rule."
He frowned more, shook his head, and growled, "Not anymore they don't." And he drove off.
Nigh on fifty years ago.
Posted by: mindful webworker
link: Clear Reception
at May 28, 2020 11:39 AM (wmyHK)
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I'll try to avoid a wall o' text here:
But I've been reading a biography about Frank Hamer, the Texas Ranger legend featured in the Netflix movie 'The Highwaymen'. He's the dude killed Bonnie and Clyde. Book is written by a cop but....a San Fran cop-lite. Author wears his progressive bona fides constantly.
Anyway, back then cops dealt very harshly with bad guys. And if you know Texas Rangers, militarization is putting it mildly. Even back then, full auto weapons, grenades were standard. They were rough men policing a fairly wild part of the world.
It worked.
They were harsh with assholes and men with guns, they did not hassle civilians, by and large.
There was a clear demarkation between those in the game and the civilians.
Today, there are no civilians to be protected. We are all prey. We are all sheep. We are all Little People.
But I've been reading a biography about Frank Hamer, the Texas Ranger legend featured in the Netflix movie 'The Highwaymen'. He's the dude killed Bonnie and Clyde. Book is written by a cop but....a San Fran cop-lite. Author wears his progressive bona fides constantly.
Anyway, back then cops dealt very harshly with bad guys. And if you know Texas Rangers, militarization is putting it mildly. Even back then, full auto weapons, grenades were standard. They were rough men policing a fairly wild part of the world.
It worked.
They were harsh with assholes and men with guns, they did not hassle civilians, by and large.
There was a clear demarkation between those in the game and the civilians.
Today, there are no civilians to be protected. We are all prey. We are all sheep. We are all Little People.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Free WA, Buy Ammo at May 28, 2020 11:40 AM (ifmtJ)
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I rarely post unless I think I have
something worthwhile to say.
That is not how this works
Word !
something worthwhile to say.
That is not how this works
Word !
Posted by: runner at May 28, 2020 11:40 AM (zr5Kq)
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Why aren't you here?
Posted by: grammie winger
I'm in Waukesha right now at Hobby Lobby.
Next stop, Mukwanago
Posted by: grammie winger
I'm in Waukesha right now at Hobby Lobby.
Next stop, Mukwanago
Posted by: Bruce at May 28, 2020 11:40 AM (ONqMO)
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However, I rarely post unless I think I have
something worthwhile to say.
Posted by: Carly at May 28, 2020 11:34 AM (Gaa5N)
Those are impossible standards.
something worthwhile to say.
Posted by: Carly at May 28, 2020 11:34 AM (Gaa5N)
Those are impossible standards.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at May 28, 2020 11:40 AM (ufFY8)
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Putting that sort of stuff in the hands of civilian police just encourages those police to define the term "emergency" downward so they get to play with their cool toys more often.
Hence, Meal Team Six showing up in an APC, sporting body armor and assault rifles to shut down that bar in Texas.
Hence, Meal Team Six showing up in an APC, sporting body armor and assault rifles to shut down that bar in Texas.
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at May 28, 2020 11:40 AM (H3MF8)
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I can't say I love Prometheus, but I think Ridley Scott did good work on it.
Posted by: Axeman at May 28, 2020 11:40 AM (Eicbe)
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>>If it's only theater, I'm okay with that.
>>If it leads to something the DOJ doesn't have (which I doubt), even better.
I think you might want to listen to Rosenstein's testimony next week.
>>If it leads to something the DOJ doesn't have (which I doubt), even better.
I think you might want to listen to Rosenstein's testimony next week.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 28, 2020 11:40 AM (ZLI7S)
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In the USA: 410 civilians corpses
In Germany (a country of 80 million): six killed
In England and Wales for 2012 and 2013: no fatal police shootings
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Diversity is our STRENGTH!!! You want a high trust society - don't get stupid with diversity.
In Germany (a country of 80 million): six killed
In England and Wales for 2012 and 2013: no fatal police shootings
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Diversity is our STRENGTH!!! You want a high trust society - don't get stupid with diversity.
Posted by: Puddin Head at May 28, 2020 11:40 AM (hxWDw)
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Our ROEs were very strict, and we were at great risk, but the only casualty on both sides was one crazy witch lady who kept trying to hex the 5-ton trucks and accidentally got run over.
Oh, a disciple of the Blessed and Flattened Rachel Corrie, was she?
Our ROEs were very strict, and we were at great risk, but the only casualty on both sides was one crazy witch lady who kept trying to hex the 5-ton trucks and accidentally got run over.
Oh, a disciple of the Blessed and Flattened Rachel Corrie, was she?
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at May 28, 2020 11:41 AM (pNxlR)
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The militarization of civilian law enforcement was a catastrophically bad idea, and one that had significant unintended consequences.
No. These consequences were intended. That's why Barky McPhuckstick pushed armered vehicles and body armor to local police. The left intends for these local Barney fifes to be their stormtroopers.
No. These consequences were intended. That's why Barky McPhuckstick pushed armered vehicles and body armor to local police. The left intends for these local Barney fifes to be their stormtroopers.
Posted by: Beefy Meatball at May 28, 2020 11:41 AM (g2qGM)
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Target's SJW pimping for BLM & LGBT didn't save them.
Don't have much sympathy for them, either.
Don't have much sympathy for them, either.
Posted by: Venus at May 28, 2020 11:41 AM (iYXhj)
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230 The real hoot is that Target's HQ is in the Twin Cities. Wonder what
kind of choice words are being communicated between Target and the MPD
today.
And the Dayton family that owns Target directly funds (and in some cases actually *is*) the Minnesota Democrat Party. So it's hilarious to me that Target's getting looted.
Posted by: Ian S. at May 28, 2020 11:39 AM (6XLoz)
Saw a comment last night that this particular Target is a Store used for "Experimental Stop Loss Methods", since it's near Target HQ and it's located in a lower income neighborhood. I don't really know what that means, but apparently a lot of locals really hated that store.
I'm betting it never reopens.
kind of choice words are being communicated between Target and the MPD
today.
And the Dayton family that owns Target directly funds (and in some cases actually *is*) the Minnesota Democrat Party. So it's hilarious to me that Target's getting looted.
Posted by: Ian S. at May 28, 2020 11:39 AM (6XLoz)
Saw a comment last night that this particular Target is a Store used for "Experimental Stop Loss Methods", since it's near Target HQ and it's located in a lower income neighborhood. I don't really know what that means, but apparently a lot of locals really hated that store.
I'm betting it never reopens.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 28, 2020 11:41 AM (Kpl3J)
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...It's part of their training. They do that so if/when it goes to trial they've created witnesses who heard loudly and repeatedly that the arrestee was resisting arrest.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 28, 2020 11:32 AM (NWiLs)
That Karen in Central Park calling the police saying she was being assaulted. Same same
He who calls first takes the high ground.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 28, 2020 11:32 AM (NWiLs)
That Karen in Central Park calling the police saying she was being assaulted. Same same
He who calls first takes the high ground.
Posted by: Braenyard at May 28, 2020 11:41 AM (Xb1xU)
Posted by: WitchDoktor, back to no one giving a damn. at May 28, 2020 11:41 AM (C+We0)
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252 And we're trending toward movie talk. Again.
Posted by: WitchDoktor, back to no one giving a damn. at May 28, 2020 11:41 AM (C+We0)
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It's spreading...
Posted by: WitchDoktor, back to no one giving a damn. at May 28, 2020 11:41 AM (C+We0)
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It's spreading...
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 28, 2020 11:42 AM (LvTSG)
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Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 28, 2020 11:38 AM (dLLD6)
Wow! A response from CBD! It's like a celebrity has virtually said "hi" to me!Thanks
Posted by: Carly at May 28, 2020 11:39 AM (Gaa5N)
Just don't tell him you like chipmunks and squirrels......
Wow! A response from CBD! It's like a celebrity has virtually said "hi" to me!Thanks
Posted by: Carly at May 28, 2020 11:39 AM (Gaa5N)
Just don't tell him you like chipmunks and squirrels......
Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at May 28, 2020 11:42 AM (jjaLl)
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In the USA: 410 civilians corpses
In Germany (a country of 80 million): six killed
In England and Wales for 2012 and 2013: no fatal police shootings
In short, we are way to unconcerned about allowing police to be judge, jury, and executioner
https://tinyurl.com/ya28r5rh
Posted by: FloridaMan at May 28, 2020 11:39 AM (MciqG)
Germany also basically looked the other way when thousands of immigrants attacked women en masse. Ditto England, where gangs ran massive child prostitution rings for decades, and where police are generally disarmed.
When you don't pursue crime, it's easy to never have to shoot someone.
In Germany (a country of 80 million): six killed
In England and Wales for 2012 and 2013: no fatal police shootings
In short, we are way to unconcerned about allowing police to be judge, jury, and executioner
https://tinyurl.com/ya28r5rh
Posted by: FloridaMan at May 28, 2020 11:39 AM (MciqG)
Germany also basically looked the other way when thousands of immigrants attacked women en masse. Ditto England, where gangs ran massive child prostitution rings for decades, and where police are generally disarmed.
When you don't pursue crime, it's easy to never have to shoot someone.
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at May 28, 2020 11:42 AM (SgjGX)
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231 228 Hey TJM and MJ. Put me on the Prometheus list as well. Thanks
Posted by: Wyoming lurker at May 28, 2020 11:39 AM (fT38Y)
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It's spreading...
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 28, 2020 11:39 AM (LvTSG)
*lights new flamethrower*
We can't let this spread
Posted by: Wyoming lurker at May 28, 2020 11:39 AM (fT38Y)
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It's spreading...
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 28, 2020 11:39 AM (LvTSG)
*lights new flamethrower*
We can't let this spread
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Free WA, Buy Ammo at May 28, 2020 11:42 AM (ifmtJ)
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240 I rarely post unless I think I have
something worthwhile to say.
In lieu of something worthwhile to say fish or bird puns work.
That's one of the cardinal rules around here.
something worthwhile to say.
In lieu of something worthwhile to say fish or bird puns work.
That's one of the cardinal rules around here.
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at May 28, 2020 11:42 AM (Uu+Jp)
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Most people who pass counterfeit money have no idea that it is in fact counterfeit. Its only really suspicious if you do it a lot or have a suitcase full of the stuff. Passing a single 20 is just bad luck most of the time: you got it from someone else, who got it from someone else, etc.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 28, 2020 11:36 AM (KZzsI)
My thoughts, unless he did something really stupid, like make a copy of a $20 at Kinkos. There have been people arrested for stupid crap like that.
It''s amazing when you realize that Eric whats his name in New York was arrested and died in custody for selling single cigarettes,. This guy died for passing what the clerk at the store thought was a counterfeit $20.
Small time, petty crimes and the police try to act like they are taking down Hannibal Lechter.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 28, 2020 11:36 AM (KZzsI)
My thoughts, unless he did something really stupid, like make a copy of a $20 at Kinkos. There have been people arrested for stupid crap like that.
It''s amazing when you realize that Eric whats his name in New York was arrested and died in custody for selling single cigarettes,. This guy died for passing what the clerk at the store thought was a counterfeit $20.
Small time, petty crimes and the police try to act like they are taking down Hannibal Lechter.
Posted by: Jen the original at May 28, 2020 11:42 AM (lYxPX)
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It's like a celebrity has virtually said "hi" to me!
Posted by: Carly at May 28, 2020 11:39 AM (Gaa5N)
Check with the people who have met me...you'll change your tune.
Posted by: Carly at May 28, 2020 11:39 AM (Gaa5N)
Check with the people who have met me...you'll change your tune.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 28, 2020 11:42 AM (dLLD6)
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. The threat of deadly force is there in *every* police interaction. So for what has the state permitted them the use of that force?
Way too many things. And then there is liability in that there is virtually no consequence for misuse of that deadly force, which leads to it being used more.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 28, 2020 11:31 AM
It goes beyond this. EVERY law has a potential death sentence attached. Resist enforcement, and the resistance escalates enough, boom.
Is selling "loosies" a crime worthy of execution? No, but it turned out that way. I wish legislators would consider this.
Way too many things. And then there is liability in that there is virtually no consequence for misuse of that deadly force, which leads to it being used more.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 28, 2020 11:31 AM
It goes beyond this. EVERY law has a potential death sentence attached. Resist enforcement, and the resistance escalates enough, boom.
Is selling "loosies" a crime worthy of execution? No, but it turned out that way. I wish legislators would consider this.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 28, 2020 11:43 AM (DMUuz)
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233 What are the odds that the cop who killed the guy is a big Hillary fan and a rabid Trump hater?
Posted by: Beckoningchasm Phone at May 28, 2020 11:39 AM (ZkeIl)
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I don't know, but I can tell you this: it 100% doesn't f***ing matter one bit.
Posted by: Beckoningchasm Phone at May 28, 2020 11:39 AM (ZkeIl)
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I don't know, but I can tell you this: it 100% doesn't f***ing matter one bit.
Posted by: Venus at May 28, 2020 11:43 AM (iYXhj)
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I'm in Waukesha right now at Hobby Lobby.
Next stop, Mukwanago
Posted by: Bruce at May 28, 2020 11:40 AM (ONqMO)
Oh! Pretty! My daughter-in-law has a horse farm there. Well, it's really her parents. Next, you should drive to Oconomowac - do all the crazy Indian name towns!
Next stop, Mukwanago
Posted by: Bruce at May 28, 2020 11:40 AM (ONqMO)
Oh! Pretty! My daughter-in-law has a horse farm there. Well, it's really her parents. Next, you should drive to Oconomowac - do all the crazy Indian name towns!
Posted by: grammie winger at May 28, 2020 11:43 AM (lwiT4)
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Why is there always that Cop Bar in town for active and retired and their groupies?
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at May 28, 2020 11:43 AM (Xrf6t)
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Yesterday, there were FIVE 1" wide rolls of pink ribbon in there.
And I thought of you.
Posted by: JT at May 28, 2020 11:32 AM (arJlL)
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I finally threw away that bridesmaid dress.
And I thought of you.
Posted by: JT at May 28, 2020 11:32 AM (arJlL)
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I finally threw away that bridesmaid dress.
Posted by: bluebell at May 28, 2020 11:43 AM (/669Q)
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No matter what, it was a non violent crime, generally not even worth a handcuffing.
Yeah its the kind of crime where the cops come in and question you, perhaps a bit severely, but that's the worst unless they can find some sort of evidence that you're clearly part of a counterfeit operation.
Yes, he's a convicted felon on parole for a violent crime, so cops are a bit more careful and heavy handed than they would be for little granny who never was even pulled over once, but still, its not a "knock em down, cuff em, and lean on them" situation let alone kneel on their throat until they die.
Yeah its the kind of crime where the cops come in and question you, perhaps a bit severely, but that's the worst unless they can find some sort of evidence that you're clearly part of a counterfeit operation.
Yes, he's a convicted felon on parole for a violent crime, so cops are a bit more careful and heavy handed than they would be for little granny who never was even pulled over once, but still, its not a "knock em down, cuff em, and lean on them" situation let alone kneel on their throat until they die.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 28, 2020 11:43 AM (KZzsI)
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It's spreading...
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 28, 2020 11:39 AM (LvTSG)
*lights new flamethrower*
We can't let this spread
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Free WA, Buy Ammo at May 28, 2020 11:42 AM (ifmtJ)
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*opens mouth unnaturally wide and screams*
It's spreading...
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 28, 2020 11:39 AM (LvTSG)
*lights new flamethrower*
We can't let this spread
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Free WA, Buy Ammo at May 28, 2020 11:42 AM (ifmtJ)
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*opens mouth unnaturally wide and screams*
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 28, 2020 11:43 AM (LvTSG)
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I am watching the video again, and bystanders are all recording video and making comments. While someone is being murdered.
This will not change until the cops behaving badly are set upon by the mob. Will things change for the better in that case? I don't know.
This will not change until the cops behaving badly are set upon by the mob. Will things change for the better in that case? I don't know.
Posted by: WitchDoktor, back to no one giving a damn. at May 28, 2020 11:43 AM (C+We0)
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Well Target did name themselves correctly.
Posted by: Puddin Head at May 28, 2020 11:44 AM (hxWDw)
Posted by: Techie at May 28, 2020 11:44 AM (TnwAJ)
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I rarely post unless I think I have something worthwhile to say.
Boy are you in the wrong place.
Boy are you in the wrong place.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 28, 2020 11:44 AM (kVr0X)
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Didn't the FBI roll up on Roger Stone in some kind of a SWAT armored personnel carrier?
Posted by: FloridaMan at May 28, 2020 11:44 AM (MciqG)
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It's spreading...
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 28, 2020 11:42 AM (LvTSG)
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How Gramsciian of you.
Work within every thread to turn it into a movie thread.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 28, 2020 11:42 AM (LvTSG)
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How Gramsciian of you.
Work within every thread to turn it into a movie thread.
Posted by: Axeman at May 28, 2020 11:44 AM (Eicbe)
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Looters should be shot. Arson is not a form of protest. Riots are best put to bed by the national guard and police should not be militarized and are civilians. Police need to be accountable. I piss on both sides.
Posted by: USNtakim profoundly deplorable. at May 28, 2020 11:44 AM (0OmEj)
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Anyway, back then cops dealt very harshly with bad guys. And if you know Texas Rangers, militarization is putting it mildly. Even back then, full auto weapons, grenades were standard. They were rough men policing a fairly wild part of the world.
It worked.
They were harsh with assholes and men with guns, they did not hassle civilians, by and large.
There was a clear demarkation between those in the game and the civilians.
Today, there are no civilians to be protected. We are all prey. We are all sheep. We are all Little People.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Free WA, Buy Ammo at May 28, 2020 11:40 AM (ifmtJ)
Good points - and remember, in those days the Rangers did NOT do general police action in major cities, not unless some really bad stuff was going down there. The Bad ones would usually go try and hole up somewhere quiet, where they could do whatever they wanted, and that's where the Rangers would track them down.
It worked.
They were harsh with assholes and men with guns, they did not hassle civilians, by and large.
There was a clear demarkation between those in the game and the civilians.
Today, there are no civilians to be protected. We are all prey. We are all sheep. We are all Little People.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Free WA, Buy Ammo at May 28, 2020 11:40 AM (ifmtJ)
Good points - and remember, in those days the Rangers did NOT do general police action in major cities, not unless some really bad stuff was going down there. The Bad ones would usually go try and hole up somewhere quiet, where they could do whatever they wanted, and that's where the Rangers would track them down.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 28, 2020 11:44 AM (Kpl3J)
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at May 28, 2020 11:44 AM (ufFY8)
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*lights new flamethrower*
We can't let this spread
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Seem hot in here? Probably just me.
We can't let this spread
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Seem hot in here? Probably just me.
Posted by: MJ at May 28, 2020 11:44 AM (gAMkn)
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Check with the people who have met me...you'll change your tune.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 28, 2020 11:42 AM (dLLD6)
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Who am I to disagree? It's all downhill from here, Carly.
Welcome!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 28, 2020 11:42 AM (dLLD6)
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Who am I to disagree? It's all downhill from here, Carly.
Welcome!
Posted by: bluebell at May 28, 2020 11:45 AM (/669Q)
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Well Target did name themselves correctly.
Posted by: Puddin Head at May 28, 2020 11:44 AM (hxWDw)
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That was a LOL.
Posted by: Puddin Head at May 28, 2020 11:44 AM (hxWDw)
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That was a LOL.
Posted by: Axeman at May 28, 2020 11:45 AM (Eicbe)
Posted by: JT at May 28, 2020 11:45 AM (arJlL)
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I rarely post unless I think I have
something worthwhile to say.
That is not how this works <<<<<<<<
We start setting standards and the next thing you know the management will require pants!
something worthwhile to say.
That is not how this works <<<<<<<<
We start setting standards and the next thing you know the management will require pants!
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 28, 2020 11:45 AM (r+sAi)
Posted by: Bruce at May 28, 2020 11:45 AM (ONqMO)
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Wow! A response from CBD! It's like a celebrity has virtually said "hi" to me!Thanks
Posted by: Carly at May 28, 2020 11:39 AM (Gaa5N)
If you really want to be his friend, tell him how much you love maple syrup on french toast. It's his favorite dish ! And his favorite sports team ? Boston Red Sox.
Posted by: Carly at May 28, 2020 11:39 AM (Gaa5N)
If you really want to be his friend, tell him how much you love maple syrup on french toast. It's his favorite dish ! And his favorite sports team ? Boston Red Sox.
Posted by: runner at May 28, 2020 11:45 AM (zr5Kq)
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It's spreading...
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 28, 2020 11:42 AM (LvTSG)
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I finally tossed Prometheus into my Netflix queue after all this talk. If I don't like it, your manager is getting a call from me!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 28, 2020 11:42 AM (LvTSG)
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I finally tossed Prometheus into my Netflix queue after all this talk. If I don't like it, your manager is getting a call from me!
Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at May 28, 2020 11:46 AM (dfRN6)
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Yourwelcome Carly !
Posted by: runner at May 28, 2020 11:46 AM (zr5Kq)
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Filming would not be the first thought on my mind if I came upon someone being killed.
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at May 28, 2020 11:46 AM (Uu+Jp)
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272 It's spreading...
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 28, 2020 11:42 AM (LvTSG)
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How Gramsciian of you.
Work within every thread to turn it into a movie thread.
Posted by: Axeman at May 28, 2020 11:44 AM (Eicbe)
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To be fair, I don't expect mentions of Prometheus to turn into actual discussions of the film.
It's more meme now, than film.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 28, 2020 11:42 AM (LvTSG)
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How Gramsciian of you.
Work within every thread to turn it into a movie thread.
Posted by: Axeman at May 28, 2020 11:44 AM (Eicbe)
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To be fair, I don't expect mentions of Prometheus to turn into actual discussions of the film.
It's more meme now, than film.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 28, 2020 11:46 AM (LvTSG)
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How many cops are in jail?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 28, 2020 11:33 AM (dLLD6)
You don't think there are former cops in jail? Epstein's former cell mate was a cop.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 28, 2020 11:33 AM (dLLD6)
You don't think there are former cops in jail? Epstein's former cell mate was a cop.
Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 28, 2020 11:46 AM (2DOZq)
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284 It's spreading...
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 28, 2020 11:42 AM (LvTSG)
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I finally tossed Prometheus into my Netflix queue after all this talk. If I don't like it, your manager is getting a call from me!
Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at May 28, 2020 11:46 AM (dfRN6)
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I hope you enjoy it!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 28, 2020 11:42 AM (LvTSG)
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I finally tossed Prometheus into my Netflix queue after all this talk. If I don't like it, your manager is getting a call from me!
Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at May 28, 2020 11:46 AM (dfRN6)
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I hope you enjoy it!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 28, 2020 11:46 AM (LvTSG)
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It's sad to see the news everyday of all the police brutality and corruption around the country. With this much brutality and corruption the only response is to get rid of all law enforcement including judges, prosecutors and prison guards (since so many are illegally imprisoned). Until new and better officers can be hired let the local populace take their turn protecting the community.
Posted by: YatYas at May 28, 2020 11:46 AM (xN9Un)
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And in L.A. yesterday more "protestors" blocked the main freeway in downtown, they attacked and smashed up two patrol cars with LE inside and then jumped on the patrol car. One guy fell off and was injured.
I'm sure this was all engineered by the local BLM and other radicals. But the media of course will never question it.
I'm sure this was all engineered by the local BLM and other radicals. But the media of course will never question it.
Posted by: PJ at May 28, 2020 11:47 AM (qlTN9)
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My thoughts, unless he did something really stupid, like make a copy of a $20 at Kinkos. There have been people arrested for stupid crap like that.
It''s amazing when you realize that Eric whats his name in New York was arrested and died in custody for selling single cigarettes,. This guy died for passing what the clerk at the store thought was a counterfeit $20.
Small time, petty crimes and the police try to act like they are taking down Hannibal Lechter.
Posted by: Jen the original
Even then, counterfeiting is federal.
I seriously doubt someone from Treasury would have done what that cop did.
It''s amazing when you realize that Eric whats his name in New York was arrested and died in custody for selling single cigarettes,. This guy died for passing what the clerk at the store thought was a counterfeit $20.
Small time, petty crimes and the police try to act like they are taking down Hannibal Lechter.
Posted by: Jen the original
Even then, counterfeiting is federal.
I seriously doubt someone from Treasury would have done what that cop did.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 28, 2020 11:47 AM (GvEen)
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Is selling "loosies" a crime worthy of execution? No, but it turned out that way. I wish legislators would consider this.
Well, there was no reason to roust the guy like that, but he died from being an out of shape, unhealthy tub of goo with a bad heart, not the arrest.
But remember: the state considers justice very differently than you or I. We think in terms of absolute standards of right and wrong, protecting the innocent etc. The state thinks in terms of protecting its power and revenue.
Selling loosies is an almost victimless crime (i mean, the only real losers are cigarette companies and the tax man) but the state views it as a loss of money and rebellion against their power.
Well, there was no reason to roust the guy like that, but he died from being an out of shape, unhealthy tub of goo with a bad heart, not the arrest.
But remember: the state considers justice very differently than you or I. We think in terms of absolute standards of right and wrong, protecting the innocent etc. The state thinks in terms of protecting its power and revenue.
Selling loosies is an almost victimless crime (i mean, the only real losers are cigarette companies and the tax man) but the state views it as a loss of money and rebellion against their power.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 28, 2020 11:47 AM (KZzsI)
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Did I miss the flame war or are my comments being considered flaming. Because they weren't. It was serious discussion about the philosophies leading up to these events, not the specific occurrence.
@Bitter Clinger 1119
"Kinda makes me wonder just who exactly it is our government fears, it's own citizens or enemy combatants."
Exactly. Use of military tactics on our own citizens is beyond revolting.
@rickb223 1127
"Works for me. But that includes cops.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
Kinda goes with everyone."
Ironically enough, we are guaranteed equal protection under the law, yet police have exceptions. So...
@Bitter Clinger 1119
"Kinda makes me wonder just who exactly it is our government fears, it's own citizens or enemy combatants."
Exactly. Use of military tactics on our own citizens is beyond revolting.
@rickb223 1127
"Works for me. But that includes cops.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
Kinda goes with everyone."
Ironically enough, we are guaranteed equal protection under the law, yet police have exceptions. So...
Posted by: squid_hunt at May 28, 2020 11:47 AM (B0mGw)
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I'm not going to jump to conclusions when so little facts are known. You think people wd learn after Zimmerman & Wilson.
I'm not going to jump to conclusions when so little facts are known. You think people wd learn after Zimmerman & Wilson.
Posted by: MHK at May 28, 2020 11:47 AM (iQIUe)
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So..... What exactly was the cause of death in the man?
Posted by: Techie at May 28, 2020 11:44 AM (TnwAJ)
You'll never find out, citizen, unless and until there's a trial and the defendants can bring evidence to court.
Until then you'll get carefully edited video footage, and scary pictures of riots. None of which is designed to seek and apply justice.
Why, it's almost as if people have an agenda other than truth and justice.
Ever notice how, some of these videos, the guy appears to know there's a camera on the scene, and he seems to be playing it up?
I wonder how many of these guys were thinking about cashing in, more than they were about living through the encounter.
Posted by: Techie at May 28, 2020 11:44 AM (TnwAJ)
You'll never find out, citizen, unless and until there's a trial and the defendants can bring evidence to court.
Until then you'll get carefully edited video footage, and scary pictures of riots. None of which is designed to seek and apply justice.
Why, it's almost as if people have an agenda other than truth and justice.
Ever notice how, some of these videos, the guy appears to know there's a camera on the scene, and he seems to be playing it up?
I wonder how many of these guys were thinking about cashing in, more than they were about living through the encounter.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 28, 2020 11:47 AM (hku12)
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so is the new/old troll gone yet ?
Posted by: Ghost of Qassem Soleimani at May 28, 2020 11:47 AM (j7aNt)
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Other than Kirk Cousins playing for the Vikings I got no love for Minneapolis. Bunch of hard core NAZIs run that place. Let it burn.
Posted by: Puddin Head at May 28, 2020 11:47 AM (hxWDw)
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Is selling "loosies" a crime worthy of execution? No, but it turned out that way. I wish legislators would consider this.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 28, 2020 11:43 AM (DMUuz)
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It shouldn't be a crime at all. This is the problem with massive overhangs of law and regulation. There should be few crimes. Why do you think socialist countries always end up as totalitarian, murderous shitholes? In order for it to work, you have to have centralized wage and price controls for everything. Enforcing these becomes paramount - the system fails without it and it requires enforcement in every dimension. To do that, you can't be too bothered with protocol - you just murder whoever you think isn't complying.
Laws should be minimized. There are bad things in the world, and there should be laws for them. But philosophically there is a big conflict in that most state actors want to define as much as possible in law, rather than constrain as little as possible by law. Worse, they want it to happen centrally rather than locally.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 28, 2020 11:43 AM (DMUuz)
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It shouldn't be a crime at all. This is the problem with massive overhangs of law and regulation. There should be few crimes. Why do you think socialist countries always end up as totalitarian, murderous shitholes? In order for it to work, you have to have centralized wage and price controls for everything. Enforcing these becomes paramount - the system fails without it and it requires enforcement in every dimension. To do that, you can't be too bothered with protocol - you just murder whoever you think isn't complying.
Laws should be minimized. There are bad things in the world, and there should be laws for them. But philosophically there is a big conflict in that most state actors want to define as much as possible in law, rather than constrain as little as possible by law. Worse, they want it to happen centrally rather than locally.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 28, 2020 11:47 AM (hYcqw)
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This one gets it.
Posted by: RichieC at May 28, 2020 11:47 AM (31YF6)
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The Xi-oom meeting with the potential boss went well. He seems like a good person to work for, and with. We'll see how No. 2 comes along, and then No. 3 tomorrow. I'm worried that 2 and 3 will be SJWs in spirit or activity, based on their backgrounds; not so much the guy today.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 28, 2020 11:47 AM (rpbg1)
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>>With this much brutality and corruption the only response is to get rid of all law enforcement including judges, prosecutors and prison guards
AOC, is that you?
AOC, is that you?
Posted by: Lizzy at May 28, 2020 11:47 AM (bDqIh)
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I have two blue jays fighting a huge crow right outside my window. Neither are armed but the blue jays are assholes.
Seems like a metaphor.
Seems like a metaphor.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 28, 2020 11:48 AM (ZLI7S)
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They'll break bones and give you Tramadol. Then for a nano second they'll wonder why you distrust doctors too.
Posted by: Humphreyrobot at May 28, 2020 11:48 AM (pW/Ac)
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180 I cant believe nothing was done after the cold blooded execution of Daniel Shaver.
Posted by: Flubber
that cop was a psycho. it must have been a jury of government employees with a courtroom full of cops giving them the stinkeye to come back not guilty. and they rehired him so he could get a disability pension for life.
Posted by: Flubber
that cop was a psycho. it must have been a jury of government employees with a courtroom full of cops giving them the stinkeye to come back not guilty. and they rehired him so he could get a disability pension for life.
Posted by: x at May 28, 2020 11:48 AM (nFwvY)
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It Happened On Fifth Avenue just played on TCM.
That is a great Christmas movie.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt
I like it too. I wonder why I never saw it on TV as a kid?
It Happened On Fifth Avenue just played on TCM.
That is a great Christmas movie.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt
I like it too. I wonder why I never saw it on TV as a kid?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 28, 2020 11:48 AM (aKsyK)
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I'll classify this as a Covid-19 death.
Posted by: CDC at May 28, 2020 11:48 AM (H5knJ)
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303 I have two blue jays fighting a huge crow right outside my window. Neither are armed but the blue jays are assholes.
Seems like a metaphor.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 28, 2020 11:48 AM (ZLI7S)
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Baseball really needs to start back up. Those MLB players are getting desperate for food.
Seems like a metaphor.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 28, 2020 11:48 AM (ZLI7S)
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Baseball really needs to start back up. Those MLB players are getting desperate for food.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 28, 2020 11:48 AM (LvTSG)
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The first porn flic I ever saw was on Hennepin Avenue in Minneapolis
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at May 28, 2020 11:48 AM (Uu+Jp)
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The Morning Report comments got nuked?
Well... that saves me some reading time this morning, I guess.
Tragic, though. All those (I presume) beautiful comment babies, thrown out with the troll-spoor-tainted bathwater.
Oh, Atlantis!
((?? Who let Donovan from 200 Motels in here?))
Well... that saves me some reading time this morning, I guess.
Tragic, though. All those (I presume) beautiful comment babies, thrown out with the troll-spoor-tainted bathwater.
Oh, Atlantis!
((?? Who let Donovan from 200 Motels in here?))
Posted by: mindful webworker
link: Clear Reception
at May 28, 2020 11:48 AM (wmyHK)
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This incident is nothing more than a manifestation the moral rot that's eating this nation like a cancer.
And it is propagated and cheered by the left. They have managed to pervert every pillar this nation stands on.
Remember: The left wants chaos. The left NEEDS chaos.
And it is propagated and cheered by the left. They have managed to pervert every pillar this nation stands on.
Remember: The left wants chaos. The left NEEDS chaos.
Posted by: Sooner at May 28, 2020 11:48 AM (Fs5vw)
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No. These consequences were intended. That's why Barky McPhuckstick pushed armered vehicles and body armor to local police. The left intends for these local Barney fifes to be their stormtroopers.
Posted by: Beefy Meatball
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Oh, he had much larger plans than that:
"We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set," Obama said. "We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded." - Barack Obama
No. These consequences were intended. That's why Barky McPhuckstick pushed armered vehicles and body armor to local police. The left intends for these local Barney fifes to be their stormtroopers.
Posted by: Beefy Meatball
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Oh, he had much larger plans than that:
"We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set," Obama said. "We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded." - Barack Obama
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 28, 2020 11:49 AM (pK7cg)
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In England and Wales for 2012 and 2013: no fatal police shootings
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For context, how many armed officers in England and Wales?
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For context, how many armed officers in England and Wales?
Posted by: Hmmm at May 28, 2020 11:49 AM (SJDa9)
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You don't think there are former cops in jail? Epstein's former cell mate was a cop.
Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 28, 2020 11:46 AM (2DOZq)
Nice strawman.
I never said that there were no cops in jail.
There are far too few cops in jail.
Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 28, 2020 11:46 AM (2DOZq)
Nice strawman.
I never said that there were no cops in jail.
There are far too few cops in jail.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 28, 2020 11:49 AM (dLLD6)
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I have two blue jays fighting a huge crow right outside my window. Neither are armed but the blue jays are assholes.
Blue jays are pimps. They could never have outfought Santino.
Blue jays are pimps. They could never have outfought Santino.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 28, 2020 11:49 AM (kVr0X)
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This is favorite commercial :
Aunt Jemima's french toast
without her syrup
is like a tranny
without his balls
there's only one thing worse
in this universe
That's no Aunt Jemima at all
Uh-bubba boo
Aunt Jemima's french toast
without her syrup
is like a tranny
without his balls
there's only one thing worse
in this universe
That's no Aunt Jemima at all
Uh-bubba boo
Posted by: JT at May 28, 2020 11:49 AM (arJlL)
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Kankakee
Posted by: eleven at May 28, 2020 11:49 AM (QLPEO)
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I'm not going to jump to conclusions when so little facts are known. You think people wd learn after Zimmerman Wilson.
Posted by: MHK at May 28, 2020 11:47 AM (iQIUe)
"It's a mat, with 'conclusions' on it, that you 'jump' to...."
I'm not going to jump to conclusions when so little facts are known. You think people wd learn after Zimmerman Wilson.
Posted by: MHK at May 28, 2020 11:47 AM (iQIUe)
"It's a mat, with 'conclusions' on it, that you 'jump' to...."
Posted by: Tom Smykowski at May 28, 2020 11:49 AM (ufFY8)
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"Well, there was no reason to roust the guy like that, but he died from being an out of shape, unhealthy tub of goo with a bad heart, not the arrest."
All true. But he also died because the bureaucrats were so greedy to get their cigarette tax revenue that they decided selling single cigs for a quarter each should be an arrestable offense.
All true. But he also died because the bureaucrats were so greedy to get their cigarette tax revenue that they decided selling single cigs for a quarter each should be an arrestable offense.
Posted by: Fen at May 28, 2020 11:49 AM (TNHVJ)
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So, I can't know if this cop is racist - I do see a brutal killing here, though. Problem is, there're strong odds that this guy is just a bad cop with a sadistic streak, looking for someone to tune up on a daily basis.
Not that his motivation matters, but I think this is another practical argument for community policing. Wherever you are, there are going to be cops who enter the profession for all the wrong reasons and do this kind of shit.
So if you do that community policing thing, it'll increase the odds that it's black-on-black or white-on-white violence and reduce the potential for the race vultures to whip up a riot.
So, I can't know if this cop is racist - I do see a brutal killing here, though. Problem is, there're strong odds that this guy is just a bad cop with a sadistic streak, looking for someone to tune up on a daily basis.
Not that his motivation matters, but I think this is another practical argument for community policing. Wherever you are, there are going to be cops who enter the profession for all the wrong reasons and do this kind of shit.
So if you do that community policing thing, it'll increase the odds that it's black-on-black or white-on-white violence and reduce the potential for the race vultures to whip up a riot.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 28, 2020 11:49 AM (h6CJG)
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It's sad to see the news everyday of all the police brutality and corruption around the country. With this much brutality and corruption the only response is to get rid of all law enforcement including judges, prosecutors and prison guards (since so many are illegally imprisoned). Until new and better officers can be hired let the local populace take their turn protecting the community.
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I get the sarcasm but this is precisely what I hate about discussion today. There's no room for nuance or the ability to judge an event individually. The media is obviously guilty of creating two camps that can never be bridged - as are you.
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I get the sarcasm but this is precisely what I hate about discussion today. There's no room for nuance or the ability to judge an event individually. The media is obviously guilty of creating two camps that can never be bridged - as are you.
Posted by: MJ at May 28, 2020 11:49 AM (gAMkn)
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I am watching the video again, and bystanders are all recording video and making comments. While someone is being murdered.
That bothers me as well. I'm sick of reporters and now regular folks with a phone standing around and filming horrors without personally getting involved. What if a surly crowd had demanded that cop get his knee off the neck instead of standing around filming and taking bets? Would that have saved his life? We're all responsible for our fellow man, too.
That bothers me as well. I'm sick of reporters and now regular folks with a phone standing around and filming horrors without personally getting involved. What if a surly crowd had demanded that cop get his knee off the neck instead of standing around filming and taking bets? Would that have saved his life? We're all responsible for our fellow man, too.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 28, 2020 11:50 AM (KZzsI)
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One time while visiting San Diego, I went out one night with a group of people to Ocean Beach (?). I got black out drunk, was walking across the street and bumped into a cop car, I got the cuffs thrown on me so tight my wrists broke because I was acting like an unruly asshole and being a dick. I deserved it and the night I spent in San Diego county jail to sober up. No charges. Many lessons were learned that night, and none of them were the cops fault. Sure cops fuck up plenty of times, when they don't fuck up is when somebody is wasted off of drugs or booze acting out of control or resisting arrest or threatening their own lives or the lives of others.
If that guy had been white who died, white people and the country would have said he was fucked up, resisted arrest, and acted violently. Shit happens.
The only reason anybody is talking about this is because the guy was black. Black folks are now being allowed the hands off don't arrest cards for special boys. If you can't see this across the country, you are blind. Same thing happened in Europe and South Africa. We were warned and didn't listen.
If that guy had been white who died, white people and the country would have said he was fucked up, resisted arrest, and acted violently. Shit happens.
The only reason anybody is talking about this is because the guy was black. Black folks are now being allowed the hands off don't arrest cards for special boys. If you can't see this across the country, you are blind. Same thing happened in Europe and South Africa. We were warned and didn't listen.
Posted by: Widespread Pepe at May 28, 2020 11:50 AM (lxioR)
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They were harsh with assholes and men with guns, they did not hassle civilians, by and large.
There was a clear demarkation between those in the game and the civilians.
Today, there are no civilians to be protected. We are all prey. We are all sheep. We are all Little People.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Free WA, Buy Ammo
A lot of it is "the drug war". People may whine about this, but the fact is that a lot of people are shooting and killing (not cops) over drug selling turf. And, it generally ain't marijuana.
Cocaine and its various permutations, Meth, Heroin, etc.
A lot of people are now becoming collateral casualties of the drug war, or drug invasion. They are getting shot (by the drug gangs) because they are in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Cops know that they really don't know what is going on in the streets. Some are trying to get intelligence on the drug gangs operating all over, but not working very well.
So they police much more aggressively. That's not good, but it is a consequence of opening the border and letting cartel operatives easy access to cities all over America.
The son of a lady I used to work with was shot by a drug gang banger just because they wanted the old bike he was riding. He crawled up to someone's house and got 911 called. The police were questioning him as the ambulance drove him away, because they thought HE was a drug gang banger (he was black).
The cops know that drug gang wars are going on, but they have no idea how to stop it.
There was a clear demarkation between those in the game and the civilians.
Today, there are no civilians to be protected. We are all prey. We are all sheep. We are all Little People.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Free WA, Buy Ammo
A lot of it is "the drug war". People may whine about this, but the fact is that a lot of people are shooting and killing (not cops) over drug selling turf. And, it generally ain't marijuana.
Cocaine and its various permutations, Meth, Heroin, etc.
A lot of people are now becoming collateral casualties of the drug war, or drug invasion. They are getting shot (by the drug gangs) because they are in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Cops know that they really don't know what is going on in the streets. Some are trying to get intelligence on the drug gangs operating all over, but not working very well.
So they police much more aggressively. That's not good, but it is a consequence of opening the border and letting cartel operatives easy access to cities all over America.
The son of a lady I used to work with was shot by a drug gang banger just because they wanted the old bike he was riding. He crawled up to someone's house and got 911 called. The police were questioning him as the ambulance drove him away, because they thought HE was a drug gang banger (he was black).
The cops know that drug gang wars are going on, but they have no idea how to stop it.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....menace to society at May 28, 2020 11:50 AM (vcOmj)
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It's spreading...
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 28, 2020 11:39 AM (LvTSG)
*lights new flamethrower*
We can't let this spread
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Free WA, Buy Ammo at May 28, 2020 11:42 AM (ifmtJ)
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*opens mouth unnaturally wide and screams*
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 28, 2020 11:43 AM (LvTSG)
I blame Michael Fassbender for all this.
He has the power to cloud minds, like The Shadow
It's spreading...
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 28, 2020 11:39 AM (LvTSG)
*lights new flamethrower*
We can't let this spread
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Free WA, Buy Ammo at May 28, 2020 11:42 AM (ifmtJ)
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*opens mouth unnaturally wide and screams*
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 28, 2020 11:43 AM (LvTSG)
I blame Michael Fassbender for all this.
He has the power to cloud minds, like The Shadow
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Free WA, Buy Ammo at May 28, 2020 11:50 AM (ifmtJ)
Posted by: grammie winger at May 28, 2020 11:50 AM (lwiT4)
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>>I have two blue jays fighting a huge crow right outside my window. Neither are armed but the blue jays are assholes.
Yes, they are. Sounds like you need some magpies to get that rumble kicked up a notch. . .
Yes, they are. Sounds like you need some magpies to get that rumble kicked up a notch. . .
Posted by: Lizzy at May 28, 2020 11:50 AM (bDqIh)
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I have two blue jays fighting a huge crow right outside my window. Neither are armed but the blue jays are assholes.
Seems like a metaphor.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 28, 2020 11:48 AM (ZLI7S)
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Baseball really needs to start back up. Those MLB players are getting desperate for food.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
That would have worked better if Jack had said, "two blue jays fighting an oriole".
Seems like a metaphor.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 28, 2020 11:48 AM (ZLI7S)
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Baseball really needs to start back up. Those MLB players are getting desperate for food.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
That would have worked better if Jack had said, "two blue jays fighting an oriole".
Posted by: rickb223 at May 28, 2020 11:50 AM (GvEen)
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Target is the root of all evil. Also AutoZone.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 28, 2020 11:51 AM (+y/Ru)
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When you don't pursue crime, it's easy to never have to shoot someone.
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at May 28, 2020 11:42 AM (SgjGX)
I can give two examples of unnecessary fatal shootings in Virginia in recent years. A teenager and friends leave a restaurant without paying; cop shoots the driver dead, says he was coming at him with the car.
A Costco lady giving out food samples starts acting strangely. Cops called, lady with knife moves toward police. Taser doesn't word. So, police shoot her dead.
Courts approved; I call it trigger happy and cops get "qualified immunity"
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at May 28, 2020 11:42 AM (SgjGX)
I can give two examples of unnecessary fatal shootings in Virginia in recent years. A teenager and friends leave a restaurant without paying; cop shoots the driver dead, says he was coming at him with the car.
A Costco lady giving out food samples starts acting strangely. Cops called, lady with knife moves toward police. Taser doesn't word. So, police shoot her dead.
Courts approved; I call it trigger happy and cops get "qualified immunity"
Posted by: FloridaMan at May 28, 2020 11:51 AM (MciqG)
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Munchkins make me hot.
Posted by: Humphreyrobot at May 28, 2020 11:51 AM (pW/Ac)
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325 I blame Michael Fassbender for all this.
He has the power to cloud minds, like The Shadow
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Free WA, Buy Ammo at May 28, 2020 11:50 AM (ifmtJ)
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I don't know...I've seen him spread his poop on a prison wall.
(Hunger reference. Everyone got it, right?)
He has the power to cloud minds, like The Shadow
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Free WA, Buy Ammo at May 28, 2020 11:50 AM (ifmtJ)
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I don't know...I've seen him spread his poop on a prison wall.
(Hunger reference. Everyone got it, right?)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 28, 2020 11:51 AM (LvTSG)
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>>Even then, counterfeiting is federal.
I seriously doubt someone from Treasury would have done what that cop did.
Jack Lew, Obama's Secretary of the Treasury, unmasked General Flynn as part of a scheme to frame him as working with Russia and throw him in jail.
Fish rot from the head down.
I seriously doubt someone from Treasury would have done what that cop did.
Jack Lew, Obama's Secretary of the Treasury, unmasked General Flynn as part of a scheme to frame him as working with Russia and throw him in jail.
Fish rot from the head down.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 28, 2020 11:51 AM (ZLI7S)
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It's weird to me that after the uproar decades ago about police using a choke hold to subdue suspects, that somehow we are back to police finding new ways to place pressure on people's breathing abilities and it's resulted in more deaths.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at May 28, 2020 11:08 AM (+b1ew)
I've been a retired LEO for 12 years; kneeling with your knee on the back of an arrested person's neck wasn't an accepted technique then and I doubt it is now. For the same reason we were taught to NOT use baton strikes to a person's head/neck: the likelihood of serious/fatal injury to was too high.
The issue is that George Floyd had stopped resisting arrest; the kneeling officer should have de-escalated his Use of Force. Why he didn't just straddle Floyd's waist and drive-stun with a Taser if Floyd became combative again I'll never figure out.
The kneeling police officer is almost certainly going to get criminally charged.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at May 28, 2020 11:08 AM (+b1ew)
I've been a retired LEO for 12 years; kneeling with your knee on the back of an arrested person's neck wasn't an accepted technique then and I doubt it is now. For the same reason we were taught to NOT use baton strikes to a person's head/neck: the likelihood of serious/fatal injury to was too high.
The issue is that George Floyd had stopped resisting arrest; the kneeling officer should have de-escalated his Use of Force. Why he didn't just straddle Floyd's waist and drive-stun with a Taser if Floyd became combative again I'll never figure out.
The kneeling police officer is almost certainly going to get criminally charged.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at May 28, 2020 11:51 AM (YQ4mh)
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The cops, especially the one with the knee on the neck, were playing to the audience, trying to maintain intimidation.
Posted by: davidt at May 28, 2020 11:51 AM (l3+k2)
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Posted by: eleven at May 28, 2020 11:49 AM (QLPEO)
Place of my birth
Posted by: grammie winger at May 28, 2020 11:50 AM (lwiT4)
It was a wonderful Momence for your parents!
Kankakee
Posted by: eleven at May 28, 2020 11:49 AM (QLPEO)
Place of my birth
Posted by: grammie winger at May 28, 2020 11:50 AM (lwiT4)
It was a wonderful Momence for your parents!
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at May 28, 2020 11:51 AM (ufFY8)
Posted by: Ped Xing at May 28, 2020 11:51 AM (d6DSt)
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Baseball really needs to start back up. Those MLB players are getting desperate for food.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
That would have worked better if Jack had said, "two blue jays fighting an oriole".
Posted by: rickb223 at May 28, 2020 11:50 AM (GvEen)
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I work with what I got
Baseball really needs to start back up. Those MLB players are getting desperate for food.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
That would have worked better if Jack had said, "two blue jays fighting an oriole".
Posted by: rickb223 at May 28, 2020 11:50 AM (GvEen)
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I work with what I got
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 28, 2020 11:51 AM (LvTSG)
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"Well, there was no reason to roust the guy like
that, but he died from being an out of shape, unhealthy tub of goo with a
bad heart, not the arrest."
All true. But he also died because the bureaucrats were so greedy
to get their cigarette tax revenue that they decided selling single cigs
for a quarter each should be an arrestable offense.
Posted by: Fen at May 28, 2020 11:49 AM (TNHVJ)
That, and the choke hold he was in for 10 minutes......
that, but he died from being an out of shape, unhealthy tub of goo with a
bad heart, not the arrest."
All true. But he also died because the bureaucrats were so greedy
to get their cigarette tax revenue that they decided selling single cigs
for a quarter each should be an arrestable offense.
Posted by: Fen at May 28, 2020 11:49 AM (TNHVJ)
That, and the choke hold he was in for 10 minutes......
Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at May 28, 2020 11:52 AM (jjaLl)
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Wake me when cops start taking fire from Americans while they defend their freedom to conduct business. How is Target even open during the lockdown but I can't get a fucking haircut? Fuck the fuckers. Fuck them hard.
Posted by: Puddin Head at May 28, 2020 11:52 AM (hxWDw)
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Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 28, 2020 11:38 AM (dLLD6)
Wow! A response from CBD! It's like a celebrity has virtually said "hi" to me!Thanks
Posted by: Carly
Just wait til you've got to explain a cooking tip from CharlieBrown'sDildo to your mother.
Wow! A response from CBD! It's like a celebrity has virtually said "hi" to me!Thanks
Posted by: Carly
Just wait til you've got to explain a cooking tip from CharlieBrown'sDildo to your mother.
Posted by: DaveA at May 28, 2020 11:52 AM (FhXTo)
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To be fair, I don't expect mentions of Prometheus to turn into actual discussions of the film.
It's more meme now, than film.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 28, 2020 11:46 AM (LvTSG)
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The beginning of that film is still a bit of a puzzle to me.
Of course, I think the interesting thing is about this SF-cliche "Creator race" concept that takes a somewhat Biblical dislike to their creation. If we could take all that we enjoy in life from a Creator, then it's interesting to think about how that same technology could be used to create our biggest nightmares to eradicate us. In a perfectly naturalistic scenario, it seems justified creating a creature to kill off another creature.
It's more meme now, than film.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 28, 2020 11:46 AM (LvTSG)
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The beginning of that film is still a bit of a puzzle to me.
Of course, I think the interesting thing is about this SF-cliche "Creator race" concept that takes a somewhat Biblical dislike to their creation. If we could take all that we enjoy in life from a Creator, then it's interesting to think about how that same technology could be used to create our biggest nightmares to eradicate us. In a perfectly naturalistic scenario, it seems justified creating a creature to kill off another creature.
Posted by: Axeman at May 28, 2020 11:52 AM (Eicbe)
Posted by: Braenyard at May 28, 2020 11:52 AM (Xb1xU)
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This is the sign that the old political order between the right and the left is dead. This is the nail in the coffin as it were. It is now entirely a struggle between populists and globalists. Watch Trump (cynically but effectively) use this issue entirely to his advantage.
Posted by: Max Power at May 28, 2020 11:52 AM (QCc6B)
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a historical note about "Read them the Riot Act", an axiom now taken to mean a warning about grim consequences. There's a historical lesson there about the divide between Police Force and Military Force.
In 18th century England, political unrest had continued after the tumultuous 17th century, and as there was no general police force Riots were frequent in the larger cities, whenever some group had a grievance. Parliament passed the Riot Act in 1714, which held that any "unlawful and tumultuous gathering" of persons could be warned and ordered to disperse after being warned by a local (unarmed) Official. That Official was required to Present himself to the Rioters in Public and loudly and clearly read to them the terms of the Riot Act, giving them one hour to disperse.
At the end of the one hour period, the local militia could be called, and they were authorized to fire point blank into the crowd and kill anyone who had not left. So that's how our ancestors handled the civilian/military law enforcement divide.
In 18th century England, political unrest had continued after the tumultuous 17th century, and as there was no general police force Riots were frequent in the larger cities, whenever some group had a grievance. Parliament passed the Riot Act in 1714, which held that any "unlawful and tumultuous gathering" of persons could be warned and ordered to disperse after being warned by a local (unarmed) Official. That Official was required to Present himself to the Rioters in Public and loudly and clearly read to them the terms of the Riot Act, giving them one hour to disperse.
At the end of the one hour period, the local militia could be called, and they were authorized to fire point blank into the crowd and kill anyone who had not left. So that's how our ancestors handled the civilian/military law enforcement divide.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 28, 2020 11:52 AM (Kpl3J)
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The first porn flic I ever saw was on Hennepin Avenue in Minneapolis
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at May 28, 2020
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Never been to MN, and always wanted to see Minneapolis after watching Mary Tyler Moore's show as a kid. Probably not so much any more.
Smaller towns seem like a better bet.
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at May 28, 2020
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Never been to MN, and always wanted to see Minneapolis after watching Mary Tyler Moore's show as a kid. Probably not so much any more.
Smaller towns seem like a better bet.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 28, 2020 11:52 AM (rpbg1)
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It was a wonderful Momence for your parents!
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at May 28, 2020 11:51 AM (ufFY
Oh my gosh! I don't think I've ever known a person who knew there was a Momence!
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at May 28, 2020 11:51 AM (ufFY
Oh my gosh! I don't think I've ever known a person who knew there was a Momence!
Posted by: grammie winger at May 28, 2020 11:53 AM (lwiT4)
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Not onloy have the local police departments been militarized, but so have parts of federal agencies that have minimal police duties
Posted by: slithery dee at May 28, 2020 11:53 AM (OYSkv)
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This incident is nothing more than a manifestation the moral rot that's eating this nation like a cancer.
And it is propagated and cheered by the left. They have managed to pervert every pillar this nation stands on.
Remember: The left wants chaos. The left NEEDS chaos.
Posted by: Sooner
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In conversation with a casual acquaintance, I was lamenting the decay of society. He was visibly puzzled by what I meant. "Oh", he said, "I think things are getting better". I asked for an example. He thought for a moment, brightened, and said, "Gay marriage".
To myself, I thought, "You make my case". But I didn't, and I haven't spoken to him since.
And it is propagated and cheered by the left. They have managed to pervert every pillar this nation stands on.
Remember: The left wants chaos. The left NEEDS chaos.
Posted by: Sooner
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In conversation with a casual acquaintance, I was lamenting the decay of society. He was visibly puzzled by what I meant. "Oh", he said, "I think things are getting better". I asked for an example. He thought for a moment, brightened, and said, "Gay marriage".
To myself, I thought, "You make my case". But I didn't, and I haven't spoken to him since.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 28, 2020 11:53 AM (dP625)
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Law enforcement should follow the same laws all of the rest of us do.
If the rest of us aren't allowed to sit on a guy's head for 8 minutes to kill him, then neither should cops be.
If the rest of us can't purchase composition-4, then neither should cops.
If I can't have my M4, then neither should bubba the cop.
If the rest of us aren't allowed to sit on a guy's head for 8 minutes to kill him, then neither should cops be.
If the rest of us can't purchase composition-4, then neither should cops.
If I can't have my M4, then neither should bubba the cop.
Posted by: Jay at May 28, 2020 11:53 AM (wwKHQ)
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334. That is the best take I have read. It is not about how it started, but that last few minutes of the video are clearly more than needed at the time. Even if not criminal, that use of force later in the video was clearly uncalled for.
Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at May 28, 2020 11:53 AM (svbBD)
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Set phasers to guilt.
Posted by: Humphreyrobot at May 28, 2020 11:54 AM (pW/Ac)
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"Well, there was no reason to roust the guy like that, but he died from being an out of shape, unhealthy tub of goo with a bad heart, not the arrest."
All true. But he also died because the bureaucrats were so greedy to get their cigarette tax revenue that they decided selling single cigs for a quarter each should be an arrestable offense.
Posted by: Fen
Especially damnable because the tax had already been paid when the pack was originally bought.
All true. But he also died because the bureaucrats were so greedy to get their cigarette tax revenue that they decided selling single cigs for a quarter each should be an arrestable offense.
Posted by: Fen
Especially damnable because the tax had already been paid when the pack was originally bought.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 28, 2020 11:54 AM (GvEen)
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Target is the root of all evil. Also AutoZone.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 28, 2020 11:51 AM (+y/Ru)
By odd coincidence, Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson have announced their annual Memorial Day Sale on racial indulgences. Target had better act now if it wants to take advantage of it.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 28, 2020 11:51 AM (+y/Ru)
By odd coincidence, Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson have announced their annual Memorial Day Sale on racial indulgences. Target had better act now if it wants to take advantage of it.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 28, 2020 11:54 AM (kVr0X)
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Sheesh, I had a dentist appointment this morning and missed all the excitement.
Posted by: Jordan61 at May 28, 2020 11:54 AM (JWNIX)
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I finally threw away that bridesmaid dress.
Posted by: bluebell at May 28, 2020 11:43 AM
Couldn't you have recycled it into masks for our healthcare workers?
Posted by: bluebell at May 28, 2020 11:43 AM
Couldn't you have recycled it into masks for our healthcare workers?
Posted by: Karen at May 28, 2020 11:54 AM (DMUuz)
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I hope all 4 cops are charged and arrested quickly
What are you going to charge the cops who were just watching with?
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As long as it took Floyd to die, I'd go with premeditated murder for officer Knee, and conspiracy to commit murder for the rest (for holding back the crowd).
What are you going to charge the cops who were just watching with?
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As long as it took Floyd to die, I'd go with premeditated murder for officer Knee, and conspiracy to commit murder for the rest (for holding back the crowd).
Posted by: Methos at May 28, 2020 11:54 AM (kOpft)
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Cops should get extra respect as long as their behavior is deserving. When they break the trust of society, the book should be thrown at them twice as hard. They asked for the job and the accolades...they need to earn it.
Posted by: Tonic Dog at May 28, 2020 11:54 AM (UYvk0)
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In this day and age, I cannot imagine why anyone would want to be a cop. I sure as hell wouldn't.
I suppose, the kind of fucked up individual who would stand on a guy's neck until he was dead is the kind of individual who would want to be a cop these days.
I suppose, the kind of fucked up individual who would stand on a guy's neck until he was dead is the kind of individual who would want to be a cop these days.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at May 28, 2020 11:54 AM (o2MD2)
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Sheesh, I had a dentist appointment this morning and missed all the excitement.
Posted by: Jordan61
Any cavities ?
Posted by: Jordan61
Any cavities ?
Posted by: JT at May 28, 2020 11:54 AM (arJlL)
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When I lived in Manitoba I made annual road trips to Minneapolis to catch a baseball game and drink to excess.
And a few years later my stepson went to school outside Minneapolis.
And a few years later my stepson went to school outside Minneapolis.
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at May 28, 2020 11:55 AM (Uu+Jp)
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The number of unnecessary force settlements that NJ municipalities pay out is huge. Most cases never get public attention.
Posted by: BluesFish at May 28, 2020 11:55 AM (WQZ1O)
Posted by: Ped Xing at May 28, 2020 11:55 AM (d6DSt)
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342 To be fair, I don't expect mentions of Prometheus to turn into actual discussions of the film.
It's more meme now, than film.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 28, 2020 11:46 AM (LvTSG)
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The beginning of that film is still a bit of a puzzle to me.
Of course, I think the interesting thing is about this SF-cliche "Creator race" concept that takes a somewhat Biblical dislike to their creation. If we could take all that we enjoy in life from a Creator, then it's interesting to think about how that same technology could be used to create our biggest nightmares to eradicate us. In a perfectly naturalistic scenario, it seems justified creating a creature to kill off another creature.
Posted by: Axeman at May 28, 2020 11:52 AM (Eicbe)
The problem with Prometheus isn't the ideas. It's the execution.
And the performances.
And the editing.
And most of all, the writing.
It's more meme now, than film.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 28, 2020 11:46 AM (LvTSG)
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The beginning of that film is still a bit of a puzzle to me.
Of course, I think the interesting thing is about this SF-cliche "Creator race" concept that takes a somewhat Biblical dislike to their creation. If we could take all that we enjoy in life from a Creator, then it's interesting to think about how that same technology could be used to create our biggest nightmares to eradicate us. In a perfectly naturalistic scenario, it seems justified creating a creature to kill off another creature.
Posted by: Axeman at May 28, 2020 11:52 AM (Eicbe)
The problem with Prometheus isn't the ideas. It's the execution.
And the performances.
And the editing.
And most of all, the writing.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Free WA, Buy Ammo at May 28, 2020 11:55 AM (ifmtJ)
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That is the best take I have read. It is not about how it started, but that last few minutes of the video are clearly more than needed at the time. Even if not criminal, that use of force later in the video was clearly uncalled for.
Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at May 28, 2020 11:53 AM (svbBD)
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That's how I read the video that was posted, too. Not knowing what led up to it or the specific "acceptable" methods of subduing a suspect, the guy was subdued. No reason to continue. And there were lots of other cops, including the kneeler's partner, none of whom got directly involved except with the crowd. In my opinion - and it can be nothing more than that - this turned into a "show 'em who's boss" posturing exercise.
Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at May 28, 2020 11:53 AM (svbBD)
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That's how I read the video that was posted, too. Not knowing what led up to it or the specific "acceptable" methods of subduing a suspect, the guy was subdued. No reason to continue. And there were lots of other cops, including the kneeler's partner, none of whom got directly involved except with the crowd. In my opinion - and it can be nothing more than that - this turned into a "show 'em who's boss" posturing exercise.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 28, 2020 11:55 AM (hYcqw)
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In my world, "Prometheus" was an overpriced brand of shitty cigar lighters and accessories.
They hit the market at the peak of the "Cigar Boom" in the '90s, IIRC.
Don't even know if they're still in business anymore. But I know of at least two cigar store owners who dropped the line due to excessive returns.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
They hit the market at the peak of the "Cigar Boom" in the '90s, IIRC.
Don't even know if they're still in business anymore. But I know of at least two cigar store owners who dropped the line due to excessive returns.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at May 28, 2020 11:55 AM (QzJWU)
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Law enforcement should follow the same laws all of the rest of us do.
If the rest of us aren't allowed to sit on a guy's head for 8 minutes to kill him, then neither should cops be.
If the rest of us can't purchase composition-4, then neither should cops.
If I can't have my M4, then neither should bubba the cop.
Posted by: Jay
You can't have an M4. You can have an M4gery.
THEY get to have a select fire M4.
If the rest of us aren't allowed to sit on a guy's head for 8 minutes to kill him, then neither should cops be.
If the rest of us can't purchase composition-4, then neither should cops.
If I can't have my M4, then neither should bubba the cop.
Posted by: Jay
You can't have an M4. You can have an M4gery.
THEY get to have a select fire M4.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 28, 2020 11:55 AM (GvEen)
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However this goes down Imma predicting that Minneapolis will be hit by a Novel Blue Flu come the fall.
Posted by: Puddin Head at May 28, 2020 11:56 AM (hxWDw)
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Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at May 28, 2020 11:51 AM (YQ4mh)
You and I have disagreed in the past, but this is absolutely correct.
But...how do we fix it?
You and I have disagreed in the past, but this is absolutely correct.
But...how do we fix it?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 28, 2020 11:56 AM (dLLD6)
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Yeah its oversimple to compare raw stats between nations with fatal shootings. I bet per capita, Baltimore has many more shootings by cops than Scio, Oregon but that doesn't mean the Baltimore cops are murderous.
And if the cops are ordered by their bosses to look the other way when certain ethnic groups commit crimes (say, Boston in 1961 or Oslo today), that goes a long ways to explaining the discrepancy also. Many European areas, the police don't even CARRY guns
And if the cops are ordered by their bosses to look the other way when certain ethnic groups commit crimes (say, Boston in 1961 or Oslo today), that goes a long ways to explaining the discrepancy also. Many European areas, the police don't even CARRY guns
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 28, 2020 11:56 AM (KZzsI)
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I'm not going to jump to conclusions when so little facts are known. You think people wd learn after Zimmerman Wilson.
Posted by: MHK at May 28, 2020
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"I didn't jump to conclusions. I took a tiny step, and there conclusions were."
-- Buffy Summers
Posted by: MHK at May 28, 2020
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"I didn't jump to conclusions. I took a tiny step, and there conclusions were."
-- Buffy Summers
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 28, 2020 11:56 AM (rpbg1)
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Any cavities ?
Posted by: JT at May 28, 2020 11:54 AM (arJlL)
Nope. And the cleaning was really easy. I've been a good girl.
Posted by: JT at May 28, 2020 11:54 AM (arJlL)
Nope. And the cleaning was really easy. I've been a good girl.
Posted by: Jordan61 at May 28, 2020 11:57 AM (JWNIX)
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I think the use of intelligence apparatus to try breaking down the peaceful transfer of power from one elected regime to the next, including trying to sway that election itself, is the biggest threat from government action. The expansion of surveillance by both government and private industry with fewer and fewer legal checks on that information gathering and usage is the next most concerning element (sort of both an action and an inaction of government). But yes, the warping of police power/mission is a significant concern.
Posted by: BetaPhi at May 28, 2020 11:57 AM (hGNrS)
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Bring the methane.
Posted by: klaftern at May 28, 2020 11:57 AM (RuIsu)
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In my world, "Prometheus" was an overpriced brand of shitty cigar lighters and accessories.
They hit the market at the peak of the "Cigar Boom" in the '90s, IIRC.
Don't even know if they're still in business anymore. But I know of at least two cigar store owners who dropped the line due to excessive returns.
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I remember those! Yeah, they were junk.
They hit the market at the peak of the "Cigar Boom" in the '90s, IIRC.
Don't even know if they're still in business anymore. But I know of at least two cigar store owners who dropped the line due to excessive returns.
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I remember those! Yeah, they were junk.
Posted by: WitchDoktor, back to no one giving a damn. at May 28, 2020 11:57 AM (C+We0)
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Wake me when cops start taking fire from Americans while they defend their freedom to conduct business. How is Target even open during the lockdown but I can't get a fucking haircut? Fuck the fuckers. Fuck them hard.
Posted by: Puddin Head
Target sells food, and has been open here (Ohio) all during the "pandemic", or just "panic", whatever you call it.
Posted by: Puddin Head
Target sells food, and has been open here (Ohio) all during the "pandemic", or just "panic", whatever you call it.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....menace to society at May 28, 2020 11:57 AM (vcOmj)
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OT - The U.S. Supreme Court has given Illinois Gov. JB Pritzker until
Thursday night to respond to an appeal by two local churches for
emergency relief from his stay-at-home order over the coronavirus.
Thursday night to respond to an appeal by two local churches for
emergency relief from his stay-at-home order over the coronavirus.
Posted by: grammie winger at May 28, 2020 11:57 AM (lwiT4)
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60 seconds ago I said this to my co-worker. FYI across the river in St. Paul it's a different story. But Minneapolis cops have been sketchy at best for 50 years
Posted by: Bill Hedrick at May 28, 2020 11:57 AM (WHmC/)
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The penalty for resisting arrest should not be death.
You've exactly missed the point.
If you don't want the police to kill over it don't make it a law.
Because sure as everyone's got an opinion every law has a breaker who wont stop til he's dead.
You've exactly missed the point.
If you don't want the police to kill over it don't make it a law.
Because sure as everyone's got an opinion every law has a breaker who wont stop til he's dead.
Posted by: DaveA at May 28, 2020 11:57 AM (FhXTo)
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343 Posted by: Tom Servo at May 28, 2020 11:44 AM (Kpl3J)
Really?
Posted by: Braenyard at May 28, 2020 11:52 AM (Xb1xU)
We were grimly joking in the now-disappeared morning comments that this means that he surely should be marked down as another COVID-19 death.
What this points out, to me, is the REAL reason behind all of this unrest, the elephant in the room that everyone keeps avoiding. What did we think was going to happen when we destroy 41 million jobs, lock everyone in their houses for 2 1/2 months, have all of the Media preaching Terror and Death 24/7, driving everyone insane??? THIS is the ultimate consequence of this big covid scare! We put far too much pressure on the system than it could withstand, and now all of the weak points are starting to blow wide open.
and of course the places run by Liberal Shithead Governments are the weakest weak points of all. That's why things are blowing up there.
Really?
Posted by: Braenyard at May 28, 2020 11:52 AM (Xb1xU)
We were grimly joking in the now-disappeared morning comments that this means that he surely should be marked down as another COVID-19 death.
What this points out, to me, is the REAL reason behind all of this unrest, the elephant in the room that everyone keeps avoiding. What did we think was going to happen when we destroy 41 million jobs, lock everyone in their houses for 2 1/2 months, have all of the Media preaching Terror and Death 24/7, driving everyone insane??? THIS is the ultimate consequence of this big covid scare! We put far too much pressure on the system than it could withstand, and now all of the weak points are starting to blow wide open.
and of course the places run by Liberal Shithead Governments are the weakest weak points of all. That's why things are blowing up there.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 28, 2020 11:57 AM (Kpl3J)
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You may be right about the militarization, but mostly a mindset. The police have always had that mindset of control but in past several decades it has gotten worse. I see a readiness and willingness, even a desire to pull a weapon and kill by the police.
It seems to be us (the police) vs. them (EVERYONE not in the criminal justice system/business) all the time.
In a traffic stop I'm no longer seen as Joe Citizen. I am, by default, a PERPETRATOR and that's how I'm treated. It's exasperating.
You may be right about the militarization, but mostly a mindset. The police have always had that mindset of control but in past several decades it has gotten worse. I see a readiness and willingness, even a desire to pull a weapon and kill by the police.
It seems to be us (the police) vs. them (EVERYONE not in the criminal justice system/business) all the time.
In a traffic stop I'm no longer seen as Joe Citizen. I am, by default, a PERPETRATOR and that's how I'm treated. It's exasperating.
Posted by: Sphynx at May 28, 2020 11:57 AM (rXie1)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Free WA, Buy Ammo at May 28, 2020 11:57 AM (ifmtJ)
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The brig is full of soldiers that have broken the
rules. We live in an imperfect world with imperfect people. To
expect even close to perfection is to set yourself up for
disappointment.
Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here
Well, not really. Sure, there are guys in the brig and in Leavenworth, and with each new year of recruits, there will always be some, but the population is remarkably small. Crime within the military has always been substantially lower (post draft years) than the surrounding communities. That is why USAA charges less for insurance if you live on post.
rules. We live in an imperfect world with imperfect people. To
expect even close to perfection is to set yourself up for
disappointment.
Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here
Well, not really. Sure, there are guys in the brig and in Leavenworth, and with each new year of recruits, there will always be some, but the population is remarkably small. Crime within the military has always been substantially lower (post draft years) than the surrounding communities. That is why USAA charges less for insurance if you live on post.
Posted by: Diogenes at May 28, 2020 11:58 AM (axyOa)
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382 all right, heavy work load today.
See folks later.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Free WA, Buy Ammo at May 28, 2020 11:57 AM (ifmtJ)
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Ciao, my friend.
See folks later.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Free WA, Buy Ammo at May 28, 2020 11:57 AM (ifmtJ)
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Ciao, my friend.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 28, 2020 11:58 AM (LvTSG)
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For context, how many armed officers in England and Wales?
Posted by: Hmmm at May 28, 2020 11:49 AM (SJDa9)
Maybe they take the attitude that civilians can and should be taken alive, and that use of deadly force should be rare.
Posted by: Hmmm at May 28, 2020 11:49 AM (SJDa9)
Maybe they take the attitude that civilians can and should be taken alive, and that use of deadly force should be rare.
Posted by: FloridaMan at May 28, 2020 11:58 AM (MciqG)
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The screening and hiring of cops leaves a lot to be desired.
Posted by: mr tmz at May 28, 2020 11:58 AM (m/Gc2)
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190 That was straight-up murder, and that cop knew it.... the expression on his face after they loaded the body onto the stretcher said it all...... hate to be dark, but that guy will eat his gun, he won't want to go to prison being the cop who killed the black guy, wouldn't last a day.
Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at May 28, 2020 11:32 AM (jjaLl)
Yikes. That is dark.
Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at May 28, 2020 11:32 AM (jjaLl)
Yikes. That is dark.
Posted by: m at May 28, 2020 11:58 AM (Iqg+g)
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376 This is no PanDemic. It's a fucking DemPanic.
Posted by: ErikInTexas at May 28, 2020 11:58 AM (mIJ9W)
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I'm guessing the disappearance of comments in the Morning Report is significant.
Posted by: Weasel at May 28, 2020 11:59 AM (MVjcR)
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And has anyone noticed that once again all of this happens in a blue city?
Seems to be a consistent trend. I'm taking no sides on this because it's all baked into the same cake.
Seems to be a consistent trend. I'm taking no sides on this because it's all baked into the same cake.
Posted by: Sooner at May 28, 2020 11:59 AM (Fs5vw)
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Because sure as everyone's got an opinion every law has a breaker who wont stop til he's dead.
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Are you saying Floyd was resisting up until he was killed?
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Are you saying Floyd was resisting up until he was killed?
Posted by: WitchDoktor, back to no one giving a damn. at May 28, 2020 11:59 AM (C+We0)
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I got stopped for speeding in northern MN. The cop let me off after asking if I was going to do that again.
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at May 28, 2020 11:59 AM (Uu+Jp)
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359 In this day and age, I cannot imagine why anyone would want to be a cop.
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Not many paths available for HS grads to have a shot at the middle class these days. Cops is one of them. Maybe if we stopped importing millions of immigrants life in America would offer better prospects to our own people? Its worth trying. Yeah, a lot of slum lords might go bankrupt, but who the fuck cares about Slum Lords?
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Not many paths available for HS grads to have a shot at the middle class these days. Cops is one of them. Maybe if we stopped importing millions of immigrants life in America would offer better prospects to our own people? Its worth trying. Yeah, a lot of slum lords might go bankrupt, but who the fuck cares about Slum Lords?
Posted by: Puddin Head at May 28, 2020 11:59 AM (hxWDw)
Posted by: Diogenes at May 28, 2020 11:59 AM (axyOa)
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Big blue city laws create an environment of frustration for both the underclass and the cops.
Posted by: Braenyard at May 28, 2020 11:59 AM (Xb1xU)
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Nice strawman.
I never said that there were no cops in jail.
There are far too few cops in jail.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 28, 2020 11:49 AM (dLLD6)
Strawman? So your question was not rhetorical implying no cops in jail but rather you really wanted a number?
I never said that there were no cops in jail.
There are far too few cops in jail.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 28, 2020 11:49 AM (dLLD6)
Strawman? So your question was not rhetorical implying no cops in jail but rather you really wanted a number?
Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 28, 2020 11:59 AM (2DOZq)
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unnecessary fatal shootings
Ventura, Ca, circa 1997, SWAT confronts man outside his truck, gun on seat though. All by himself, without notice, command or pre plan, a cop decides to toss a flashbang. Boom. SWAT team opem fire on man. In front of his son.
Similar time frame, justified, was guy who shot up an unemployment office, his car looked like bonne and clyde's, and was left at the roadside for weeks as an example I suppose.
Ventura, Ca, circa 1997, SWAT confronts man outside his truck, gun on seat though. All by himself, without notice, command or pre plan, a cop decides to toss a flashbang. Boom. SWAT team opem fire on man. In front of his son.
Similar time frame, justified, was guy who shot up an unemployment office, his car looked like bonne and clyde's, and was left at the roadside for weeks as an example I suppose.
Posted by: banned at the coast at May 28, 2020 11:59 AM (UKLnl)
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I rarely comment here anymore but I think that the attention on police to some extent is misplaced.
During the era of common law including criminal law, the major task of "police" was to keep the peace (in England, the king's or queen's peace).
However, the codification of criminal laws and the cross-referencing of criminal laws with many civil statutes, has led to more or less legal anarchy. The mass of laws dictated by codification is a problem in that it gives police officers enormous discretion in "law enforcement".
The change from elected officials aka sheriffs, marshals, and constables, to a professional police force also has made police less accountable to the electorate but more accountable to local elites.
At the same time, much of the population of urban areas simply do not recognize the rule of law because the law that police are enforcing is alien to their concepts of right and wrong, what is fair and what is just.
It is not different to the Anglo-Saxons viewed Norman law. The massive corruption that exists in most balkanized urban cities does not help nor does a massive import of residents from some of the more violent of countries in the world.
Thus, the world of model codes, statutes, etc. is primarily a world of lawyers talking to other lawyers. What has been ostracized and expelled from legal practice is the older chaotic common law traditions where the legal profession and judges were constrained by local preferences and peculiarities.
Juries could and did find both fact and law in cases advised by the judge and thus could ameliorate any hardships produced by the common law. Chancery Courts were also a resource in the common law era to rectify individuals that were being treated unjustly under the Common Law.
The professionalization movement in both law and the police has led to the bureaucratization of both with both the virtues and vices that bureaucracies bestow.
So, one either allows for local variance in law enforcement and punishment based on keeping the peace, or you try to enforce a universal standard that requires a common culture, acceptance of the existing rules of law, and acceptance of individual duties to follow the law.
During the era of common law including criminal law, the major task of "police" was to keep the peace (in England, the king's or queen's peace).
However, the codification of criminal laws and the cross-referencing of criminal laws with many civil statutes, has led to more or less legal anarchy. The mass of laws dictated by codification is a problem in that it gives police officers enormous discretion in "law enforcement".
The change from elected officials aka sheriffs, marshals, and constables, to a professional police force also has made police less accountable to the electorate but more accountable to local elites.
At the same time, much of the population of urban areas simply do not recognize the rule of law because the law that police are enforcing is alien to their concepts of right and wrong, what is fair and what is just.
It is not different to the Anglo-Saxons viewed Norman law. The massive corruption that exists in most balkanized urban cities does not help nor does a massive import of residents from some of the more violent of countries in the world.
Thus, the world of model codes, statutes, etc. is primarily a world of lawyers talking to other lawyers. What has been ostracized and expelled from legal practice is the older chaotic common law traditions where the legal profession and judges were constrained by local preferences and peculiarities.
Juries could and did find both fact and law in cases advised by the judge and thus could ameliorate any hardships produced by the common law. Chancery Courts were also a resource in the common law era to rectify individuals that were being treated unjustly under the Common Law.
The professionalization movement in both law and the police has led to the bureaucratization of both with both the virtues and vices that bureaucracies bestow.
So, one either allows for local variance in law enforcement and punishment based on keeping the peace, or you try to enforce a universal standard that requires a common culture, acceptance of the existing rules of law, and acceptance of individual duties to follow the law.
Posted by: whig at May 28, 2020 11:59 AM (EUDB2)
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In a traffic stop I'm no longer seen as Joe Citizen. I am, by default, a PERPETRATOR and that's how I'm treated. It's exasperating.
Posted by: Sphynx at May 28, 2020 11:57 AM (rXie1)
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There was a language shift that corresponds with this, I think. They became "law enforcement officers" whereas they used to be "peace officers."
In terms of primary motivation, there is a wild difference between "keeping the peace" and "enforcing the law" (at least philosophically, there is). If you're keeping the peace, you'll stop suffocating a guy when he's stopped resisting. If you're enforcing the law, you might not.
Posted by: Sphynx at May 28, 2020 11:57 AM (rXie1)
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There was a language shift that corresponds with this, I think. They became "law enforcement officers" whereas they used to be "peace officers."
In terms of primary motivation, there is a wild difference between "keeping the peace" and "enforcing the law" (at least philosophically, there is). If you're keeping the peace, you'll stop suffocating a guy when he's stopped resisting. If you're enforcing the law, you might not.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 28, 2020 11:59 AM (hYcqw)
Posted by: eleven at May 28, 2020 12:00 PM (QLPEO)
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What this points out, to me, is the REAL reason behind all of this unrest, the elephant in the room that everyone keeps avoiding. What did we think was going to happen when we destroy 41 million jobs, lock everyone in their houses for 2 1/2 months, have all of the Media preaching Terror and Death 24/7, driving everyone insane??? THIS is the ultimate consequence of this big covid scare! We put far too much pressure on the system than it could withstand, and now all of the weak points are starting to blow wide open.
and of course the places run by Liberal Shithead Governments are the weakest weak points of all. That's why things are blowing up there.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 28, 2020 11:57 AM (Kpl3J)
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Is there any better example of Cloward-Pivens' full implementation.
and of course the places run by Liberal Shithead Governments are the weakest weak points of all. That's why things are blowing up there.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 28, 2020 11:57 AM (Kpl3J)
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Is there any better example of Cloward-Pivens' full implementation.
Posted by: WisRich at May 28, 2020 12:00 PM (G0vdT)
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It's spreading...
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 28, 2020 11:39 AM (LvTSG)
True, already more people than a Joe Biden rally.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 28, 2020 11:39 AM (LvTSG)
True, already more people than a Joe Biden rally.
Posted by: Laughing in Texas at May 28, 2020 12:00 PM (DiT5w)
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Any cavities ?
Posted by: JT at May 28, 2020 11:54 AM (arJlL)
Nope. And the cleaning was really easy. I've been a good girl.
Posted by: Jordan61
Nice !
Posted by: JT at May 28, 2020 11:54 AM (arJlL)
Nope. And the cleaning was really easy. I've been a good girl.
Posted by: Jordan61
Nice !
Posted by: JT at May 28, 2020 12:00 PM (arJlL)
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Last winter I live-blogged an incident whereby a citizen was extracted from his home by a SWAT team supported by an armored vehicle and two drones. This was in front of BF's house who lives on a country road. The cops' target was white. It's unfortunate 'common wisdom' maintains minority population suffers disproportionately from LE excessive force.
Posted by: kallisto at May 28, 2020 12:01 PM (axaxF)
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344 This is the sign that the old political order between the right and the left is dead. This is the nail in the coffin as it were. It is now entirely a struggle between populists and globalists. Watch Trump (cynically but effectively) use this issue entirely to his advantage.
Posted by: Max Power at May 28, 2020 11:52 AM (QCc6B)
I agree with you completely. I think Trump is smart enough to jump all over this with both feet.
Posted by: Max Power at May 28, 2020 11:52 AM (QCc6B)
I agree with you completely. I think Trump is smart enough to jump all over this with both feet.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 28, 2020 12:01 PM (Kpl3J)
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Oh my gosh! I don't think I've ever known a person who knew there was a Momence!
Posted by: grammie winger at May 28, 2020 11:53 AM (lwiT4)
LOL.
When heading south/west from Michigan, we would often head south on I-65 to Indiana 10, through Roselawn (passing the nudist colony), into Illinois to and through Momence, eventually getting on I-57 at the Kankakee exit.
We would pass a farm that had a John Deere tractor on top of a silo. Very nice. Unfortunately, that has been taken down recently.
Posted by: grammie winger at May 28, 2020 11:53 AM (lwiT4)
LOL.
When heading south/west from Michigan, we would often head south on I-65 to Indiana 10, through Roselawn (passing the nudist colony), into Illinois to and through Momence, eventually getting on I-57 at the Kankakee exit.
We would pass a farm that had a John Deere tractor on top of a silo. Very nice. Unfortunately, that has been taken down recently.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at May 28, 2020 12:01 PM (ufFY8)
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>>This incident is nothing more than a manifestation the moral rot that's eating this nation like a cancer.
And it is propagated and cheered by the left. They have managed to pervert every pillar this nation stands on
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Yup, see Heather McDonald's analysis of what's happened with crime since the #BLM riots.
Not defending these particular policemen, but in general, things have gotten a lot dicier for police working in cities where the residents have been riled up to believe that every cop wants to kill them for being [non-white race].
They fear being ambushed, they fear being mobbed by bystanders when they are responding to a 911 call, they fear that when they attempt to do their job and an activist films them they will become national news, political targets and abandoned by their own city leaders.
And it is propagated and cheered by the left. They have managed to pervert every pillar this nation stands on
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Yup, see Heather McDonald's analysis of what's happened with crime since the #BLM riots.
Not defending these particular policemen, but in general, things have gotten a lot dicier for police working in cities where the residents have been riled up to believe that every cop wants to kill them for being [non-white race].
They fear being ambushed, they fear being mobbed by bystanders when they are responding to a 911 call, they fear that when they attempt to do their job and an activist films them they will become national news, political targets and abandoned by their own city leaders.
Posted by: Lizzy at May 28, 2020 12:01 PM (bDqIh)
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Since the NeverTrumps were NeverConservatives, I think they should be referred to as Corporationists.
Posted by: Jerry at May 28, 2020 12:01 PM (fNsCe)
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I've been a retired LEO for 12 years; kneeling with your knee on the back of an arrested person's neck wasn't an accepted technique then and I doubt it is now. For the same reason we were taught to NOT use baton strikes to a person's head/neck: the likelihood of serious/fatal injury to was too high.
Yeah every cop gets trained not to do this kind of thing, and common sense tells you not to. At least, not on camera.
I don't care if this guy was a racist or not. It changes nothing. If he was a NAACP supporting donor to Jesse Jackson who voted for Obama twice, it doesn't make what he did any less awful. If he is a racist pig with a klan sheet in his closet and a frequent user of the n-word, it doesn't make what he did any more awful.
His attitude toward any ethnicity might have contributed to him choosing this person to kneel on, but it has nothing to do with the actual murder. I hate this 1984 thoughtcrime crap.
Yeah every cop gets trained not to do this kind of thing, and common sense tells you not to. At least, not on camera.
I don't care if this guy was a racist or not. It changes nothing. If he was a NAACP supporting donor to Jesse Jackson who voted for Obama twice, it doesn't make what he did any less awful. If he is a racist pig with a klan sheet in his closet and a frequent user of the n-word, it doesn't make what he did any more awful.
His attitude toward any ethnicity might have contributed to him choosing this person to kneel on, but it has nothing to do with the actual murder. I hate this 1984 thoughtcrime crap.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 28, 2020 12:01 PM (KZzsI)
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Rep. Eric Swalwell @RepSwalwell
Weaponize? History lesson: Democrats were in the minority for the Russia Investigation - it was a GOP-led investigation that allowed witnesses to not answer questions. And the Mueller investigation came from @realDonaldTrump's appointees. So, show us the Flynn tapes or buzz off.
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Richard Grenell @RichardGrenell
8m
I read the transcripts. There were lots of questions from Democrats. Lots. You just didn't find any collusion when they were under oath - so the transcripts were the only thing you didn't leak to the DC media.
Rep. Eric Swalwell @RepSwalwell
Weaponize? History lesson: Democrats were in the minority for the Russia Investigation - it was a GOP-led investigation that allowed witnesses to not answer questions. And the Mueller investigation came from @realDonaldTrump's appointees. So, show us the Flynn tapes or buzz off.
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Richard Grenell @RichardGrenell
8m
I read the transcripts. There were lots of questions from Democrats. Lots. You just didn't find any collusion when they were under oath - so the transcripts were the only thing you didn't leak to the DC media.
Posted by: Ghost of Qassem Soleimani at May 28, 2020 12:02 PM (j7aNt)
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I'm guessing the disappearance of comments in the Morning Report is significant.
Posted by: Weasel at May 28, 2020 11:59 AM (MVjcR)
Yup...it turned into a gun thread, so we had to put it out to pasture.
Posted by: Weasel at May 28, 2020 11:59 AM (MVjcR)
Yup...it turned into a gun thread, so we had to put it out to pasture.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 28, 2020 12:03 PM (dLLD6)
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That Romanian church that Lightfoot rousted filed suit and the US Supreme Court has taken it up and wants an answer from Jabba by tonight. Oh this is going to be good. Maybe we'll have church Sunday!!
Posted by: grammie winger at May 28, 2020 12:03 PM (lwiT4)
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The first porn flic I ever saw was on Hennepin Avenue in Minneapolis
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at May 28, 2020
*****
*fistbump*
I spent a lot of time downtown in the 80's. It used to be pretty great.
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at May 28, 2020
*****
*fistbump*
I spent a lot of time downtown in the 80's. It used to be pretty great.
Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at May 28, 2020 12:03 PM (flINI)
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Posted by: Diogenes at May 28, 2020 11:58 AM (axyOa)
I understand that and agree. Same can be said for law enforcement was my point.
I understand that and agree. Same can be said for law enforcement was my point.
Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 28, 2020 12:03 PM (2DOZq)
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So, one either allows for local variance in law enforcement and punishment based on keeping the peace, or you try to enforce a universal standard that requires a common culture, acceptance of the existing rules of law, and acceptance of individual duties to follow the law.
Posted by: whig at May 28, 2020 11:59 AM (EUDB2)
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Good to see you again. This is the precise point I was trying to make. The problem is "law enforcement" vs. "keeping the peace" and massive centralized legal codices vs. subsidiarity. In all cases, the state goes toward the "define more, write more laws, and do so universally/centrally, and have the cops enforce all of them" route.
Posted by: whig at May 28, 2020 11:59 AM (EUDB2)
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Good to see you again. This is the precise point I was trying to make. The problem is "law enforcement" vs. "keeping the peace" and massive centralized legal codices vs. subsidiarity. In all cases, the state goes toward the "define more, write more laws, and do so universally/centrally, and have the cops enforce all of them" route.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 28, 2020 12:03 PM (hYcqw)
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So, one either allows for local variance in law enforcement and punishment based on keeping the peace, or you try to enforce a universal standard that requires a common culture, acceptance of the existing rules of law, and acceptance of individual duties to follow the law.
Posted by: whig at May 28, 2020 11:59 AM (EUDB2)
You make a very good analysis, I wish you would come back and post more often!!
Posted by: whig at May 28, 2020 11:59 AM (EUDB2)
You make a very good analysis, I wish you would come back and post more often!!
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 28, 2020 12:03 PM (Kpl3J)
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Look out! Chris Hayes has been thinking again!
All In with Chris Hayes@allinwithchris
.@chrislhayes on wildly uneven reactions to protests against death of George Floyd vs. armed militia lockdown protests:
"Another example of how this pandemic has been a kind of blacklight, exposing all the inequalities in American life."
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Vicious right-wing militia lockdown protesters armed with.assault rifles: No deaths, no burned cars or buildings, no violence
Mostly peaceful Floyd protesters: Uhhhhhh . . .
All In with Chris Hayes@allinwithchris
.@chrislhayes on wildly uneven reactions to protests against death of George Floyd vs. armed militia lockdown protests:
"Another example of how this pandemic has been a kind of blacklight, exposing all the inequalities in American life."
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Vicious right-wing militia lockdown protesters armed with.assault rifles: No deaths, no burned cars or buildings, no violence
Mostly peaceful Floyd protesters: Uhhhhhh . . .
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 28, 2020 12:04 PM (+y/Ru)
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"I've been a retired LEO for 12 years"
Something has changed. I am told it's a new mentality that prioritizes the cop getting home alive that night over everything else.
Cop left me to die of heatstroke on the side of the road after they impounded my car. He offered a ride IF I got in the back and let him handcuff me. I decided it was a bad risk, because under the "new mentality", if I started convulsing in the back of his car he probably wouldn't be allowed to even check my pulse out of fear I *might* be playing possum or something.
"I'm not a taxi" he smugly said.
So I walked 2 miles home in the 100+ heat. 2 hours after undergoing chemo for cancer. Made it to a local McDs after a mile and begged for a cup of water.
Needlessly to say, my respect for police authority was greatly diminished. I'm a former Marine, but I guess if I see him bleeding out on the side of the road I will smugly reply: "And I'm not an EMT"
(no, OF COURSE I will render aid, but...)
If you are retired PD, I wish you could maybe speak about this new policy that prioritizes cop lives over civilian lives. Because in the Marines, we were expected to shield civilians with our bodies, and we lost some good men because we wouldn't risk civilian lives to save our own.
Something has changed. I am told it's a new mentality that prioritizes the cop getting home alive that night over everything else.
Cop left me to die of heatstroke on the side of the road after they impounded my car. He offered a ride IF I got in the back and let him handcuff me. I decided it was a bad risk, because under the "new mentality", if I started convulsing in the back of his car he probably wouldn't be allowed to even check my pulse out of fear I *might* be playing possum or something.
"I'm not a taxi" he smugly said.
So I walked 2 miles home in the 100+ heat. 2 hours after undergoing chemo for cancer. Made it to a local McDs after a mile and begged for a cup of water.
Needlessly to say, my respect for police authority was greatly diminished. I'm a former Marine, but I guess if I see him bleeding out on the side of the road I will smugly reply: "And I'm not an EMT"
(no, OF COURSE I will render aid, but...)
If you are retired PD, I wish you could maybe speak about this new policy that prioritizes cop lives over civilian lives. Because in the Marines, we were expected to shield civilians with our bodies, and we lost some good men because we wouldn't risk civilian lives to save our own.
Posted by: Fen at May 28, 2020 12:04 PM (TNHVJ)
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at May 28, 2020 12:04 PM (ufFY8)
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and of course the places run by Liberal Shithead
Governments are the weakest weak points of all. That's why things are
blowing up there.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 28, 2020 11:57 AM (Kpl3J)
Pretty sure one of the morons a couple of weeks ago was predicting this very thing was next on the plandemic roster.
Perfect, like marinating your meat first. Simmer slowly indoors for 2 months, take away everything, stirring constantly. Then light fire and put into a hot summer until election.
Governments are the weakest weak points of all. That's why things are
blowing up there.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 28, 2020 11:57 AM (Kpl3J)
Pretty sure one of the morons a couple of weeks ago was predicting this very thing was next on the plandemic roster.
Perfect, like marinating your meat first. Simmer slowly indoors for 2 months, take away everything, stirring constantly. Then light fire and put into a hot summer until election.
Posted by: clutch cargo at May 28, 2020 12:04 PM (8B6Ng)
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Posted by: Fen at May 28, 2020 11:49 AM (TNHVJ)
That, and the choke hold he was in for 10 minutes......
Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at May 28, 2020 11:52 AM (jjaLl)
The brief edited part of the video I saw, the guy was crying out, so by definition, he wasn't being choked.
That, and the choke hold he was in for 10 minutes......
Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at May 28, 2020 11:52 AM (jjaLl)
The brief edited part of the video I saw, the guy was crying out, so by definition, he wasn't being choked.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 28, 2020 12:04 PM (hku12)
422
Once the courts said the police have no duty to respond I lost interest in any defense of the "blue line".
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 28, 2020 12:04 PM (r+sAi)
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I'm here!
Put my house on the market yesterday with showings starting on Friday. Four showings already set up for Friday. Now I just have to figure out what to do with myself for four hours outside of the house when nothing is open. Luckily one in the morning and the other three in the afternoon so maybe have some time in between to stop home.Also, got a massage appointment for Monday with a therapist who won;t require me to wear a mask.I have hope.
Put my house on the market yesterday with showings starting on Friday. Four showings already set up for Friday. Now I just have to figure out what to do with myself for four hours outside of the house when nothing is open. Luckily one in the morning and the other three in the afternoon so maybe have some time in between to stop home.Also, got a massage appointment for Monday with a therapist who won;t require me to wear a mask.I have hope.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 28, 2020 12:04 PM (QzF6i)
Posted by: Legion of Boom at May 28, 2020 12:05 PM (zhVFg)
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Not defending these particular policemen, but in general, things have gotten a lot dicier for police working in cities where the residents have been riled up to believe that every cop wants to kill them for being [non-white race].
Yeah and that has to be factored in to why the other cops didn't interfere. It doesn't exonerate them but it does help explain their attitude.
And there are more than a few people who genuinely believe they are one pull over from being murdered by a cop. Thousands of people are questioned and arrested by police a day without anyone dying, but this one thing happens and they call it PROOF that the cops are just a death squad waiting to kick down their door.
I had people on Twitter telling me in no uncertain terms that the guy who filmed that stupid lunatic woman with the dog had to film it all or he'd have been murdered by the cops when they showed up. Not maybe, not was likely, but just that was the only conceivable result: cops show up and kill him.
Yeah and that has to be factored in to why the other cops didn't interfere. It doesn't exonerate them but it does help explain their attitude.
And there are more than a few people who genuinely believe they are one pull over from being murdered by a cop. Thousands of people are questioned and arrested by police a day without anyone dying, but this one thing happens and they call it PROOF that the cops are just a death squad waiting to kick down their door.
I had people on Twitter telling me in no uncertain terms that the guy who filmed that stupid lunatic woman with the dog had to film it all or he'd have been murdered by the cops when they showed up. Not maybe, not was likely, but just that was the only conceivable result: cops show up and kill him.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 28, 2020 12:05 PM (KZzsI)
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To protect and serve mankind.
To protect and serve mankind.
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at May 28, 2020 12:06 PM (t5m5e)
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The penalty for resisting arrest should not be death. If that means a few cops get a few bruises, then so be it.
Posted by: CBD at 11:00 AM
The flip side is also true. The penalty for an officer answering a call should not be death.
While I agree that the nation's police force should not be militarized, I'm not sure what world people are living in if they think police officers routinely deal with people who cooperate.
Criminals, as a rule, do not follow laws or the people who enforce those laws.
And with the message being spread nationwide to everyone over the past decade that (1) people should not respect police officers and (2) all police officers are hunting Black people, so prepare yourself accordingly, it makes the job of police officers that much more difficult.
Posted by: CBD at 11:00 AM
The flip side is also true. The penalty for an officer answering a call should not be death.
While I agree that the nation's police force should not be militarized, I'm not sure what world people are living in if they think police officers routinely deal with people who cooperate.
Criminals, as a rule, do not follow laws or the people who enforce those laws.
And with the message being spread nationwide to everyone over the past decade that (1) people should not respect police officers and (2) all police officers are hunting Black people, so prepare yourself accordingly, it makes the job of police officers that much more difficult.
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at May 28, 2020 12:06 PM (Do5/p)
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I have hope.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 28, 2020 12:04 PM (QzF6i)
That's wonderful, sharon!
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 28, 2020 12:04 PM (QzF6i)
That's wonderful, sharon!
Posted by: grammie winger at May 28, 2020 12:06 PM (lwiT4)
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Vicious right-wing militia lockdown protesters armed with.assault rifles: No deaths, no burned cars or buildings, no violence
Mostly peaceful Floyd protesters: Uhhhhhh . . .
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 28, 2020 12:04 PM (+y/Ru)
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Yeah, that's some steaming pile of take.
Mostly peaceful Floyd protesters: Uhhhhhh . . .
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 28, 2020 12:04 PM (+y/Ru)
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Yeah, that's some steaming pile of take.
Posted by: Axeman at May 28, 2020 12:06 PM (Eicbe)
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Prometheus is here!!! We're all gonna die!!! Stay safe.
Posted by: A Scold of Karens at May 28, 2020 12:07 PM (EgshT)
431
To point out an elephant in the room: Police are almost universally unionized. And we know what public sector unions bring to the table.
Posted by: Brother Tim at May 28, 2020 12:07 PM (OUMaO)
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That Romanian church that Lightfoot rousted filed suit and the US Supreme Court has taken it up and wants an answer from Jabba by tonight. Oh this is going to be good. Maybe we'll have church Sunday!!
Posted by: grammie winger at May 28, 2020 12:03 PM (lwiT4)
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Happy Dance! It shows just what a dummy Lightfoot is, of all the churches to pick on to show the brutal power of the state, she goes after a church founded by Romanian escapees from communism?!
They escape to America only to find jackbooted thugs, heavily armed, threatening them by authority of the city government?
Obviously nobody in city government is at all familiar with recent history in Romania.
Posted by: grammie winger at May 28, 2020 12:03 PM (lwiT4)
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Happy Dance! It shows just what a dummy Lightfoot is, of all the churches to pick on to show the brutal power of the state, she goes after a church founded by Romanian escapees from communism?!
They escape to America only to find jackbooted thugs, heavily armed, threatening them by authority of the city government?
Obviously nobody in city government is at all familiar with recent history in Romania.
Posted by: Boots at May 28, 2020 12:07 PM (oGBso)
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96 Nice strawman.
I never said that there were no cops in jail.
There are far too few cops in jail.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 28, 2020 11:49 AM (dLLD6)
Strawman? So your question was not rhetorical implying no cops in jail but rather you really wanted a number?
Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 28, 2020 11:59 AM (2DOZq)
His question was rhetorical because it was meant to answer what you originally wrote concerning his line about how he would prefer the military over the thugs calling themselves cops today. You pointed out bad behavior by soldiers which is why they're in the brig. Seems obvious that his rhetorical question was meant to indicate that the military does a better job handling its bad actors than the police do.
You then twisted it into asking if he thought there were no cops in jail.
I never said that there were no cops in jail.
There are far too few cops in jail.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 28, 2020 11:49 AM (dLLD6)
Strawman? So your question was not rhetorical implying no cops in jail but rather you really wanted a number?
Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 28, 2020 11:59 AM (2DOZq)
His question was rhetorical because it was meant to answer what you originally wrote concerning his line about how he would prefer the military over the thugs calling themselves cops today. You pointed out bad behavior by soldiers which is why they're in the brig. Seems obvious that his rhetorical question was meant to indicate that the military does a better job handling its bad actors than the police do.
You then twisted it into asking if he thought there were no cops in jail.
Posted by: Buzzion at May 28, 2020 12:07 PM (H0VWd)
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unfortunate 'common wisdom' maintains minority population suffers disproportionately from LE excessive force.
Larry Elder has mentioned cops more likely to shoot white people, and cites his sources.
Larry Elder has mentioned cops more likely to shoot white people, and cites his sources.
Posted by: banned glows in dark at May 28, 2020 12:07 PM (UKLnl)
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Not many paths available for HS grads to have a shot at the middle class these days. Cops is one of them. Maybe if we stopped importing millions of immigrants life in America would offer better prospects to our own people? Its worth trying. Yeah, a lot of slum lords might go bankrupt, but who the fuck cares about Slum Lords?
Posted by: Puddin Head
Not too many pd's any more that will take you without a bachelors degree or at the very least, an associates degree. Even in the Wild Wild West of Texas.
Especially in a major city.
Posted by: Puddin Head
Not too many pd's any more that will take you without a bachelors degree or at the very least, an associates degree. Even in the Wild Wild West of Texas.
Especially in a major city.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 28, 2020 12:08 PM (GvEen)
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"They fear being ambushed, they fear being mobbed by bystanders when they are responding to a 911 call"
I wonder how much of that has to do with Police becoming Revenue Agents instead of servants of the people.
As I said in the other thread, the wife and I now routinely exit off the road whenever we see a police car enter the traffic pattern. Saves money and could save my life from armed incompetence.
Does that see right to you? Law-abiding citizens who both served in the military, evading the police out of an abundance of caution?
Something has gone very wrong.
I wonder how much of that has to do with Police becoming Revenue Agents instead of servants of the people.
As I said in the other thread, the wife and I now routinely exit off the road whenever we see a police car enter the traffic pattern. Saves money and could save my life from armed incompetence.
Does that see right to you? Law-abiding citizens who both served in the military, evading the police out of an abundance of caution?
Something has gone very wrong.
Posted by: Fen at May 28, 2020 12:09 PM (TNHVJ)
437
Why can't I access the comments for the Morning Report?
Posted by: thathalfrican - Clark Kent with the glasses off at May 28, 2020 12:10 PM (UjBiW)
438
411 I'm guessing the disappearance of comments in the Morning Report is significant.
Posted by: Weasel at May 28, 2020 11:59 AM (MVjcR)
Yup...it turned into a gun thread, so we had to put it out to pasture.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 28, 2020 12:03 PM (dLLD6)
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Yikes. Guess we need common sense gun thread control.
Posted by: Weasel at May 28, 2020 11:59 AM (MVjcR)
Yup...it turned into a gun thread, so we had to put it out to pasture.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 28, 2020 12:03 PM (dLLD6)
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Yikes. Guess we need common sense gun thread control.
Posted by: Weasel at May 28, 2020 12:10 PM (MVjcR)
439
Trump is supposed to sign an EO.about social media today?
Posted by: vmom 2020 at May 28, 2020 12:10 PM (G546f)
440
Could not agree with you more, Joe Mannix. The cobwebs of laws and regs, which are multi layered and obtuse, are used as bats to subdue the populace and to enrich the favored leaders and their supporters.
The homeless situation has done more in CA to tear down respect for the rule of law than anything I have seen or read. They are out and about and stealing and drugging for the whole quarantine, and people are ticked off.
But like you say that's the way it is in the third world. Laws are there to control the people.
The homeless situation has done more in CA to tear down respect for the rule of law than anything I have seen or read. They are out and about and stealing and drugging for the whole quarantine, and people are ticked off.
But like you say that's the way it is in the third world. Laws are there to control the people.
Posted by: PJ at May 28, 2020 12:10 PM (qlTN9)
441
Again, I have had a few interactions with police, and every time they are cautious but police and decent. They aren't monsters, they aren't killers, and they aren't an armed gang of thugs. Some cops are awful, some police forces are run by awful people (Portland, for instance) but the police themselves are just guys doing a job for the most part.
This is key to remember: police aren't a saintly calling, nothing about you changes when you put on the uniform. They don't become better or worse people with the badge. They arent strapping on Superman's cape or the devil's cloak.
They clock in, do their job, clock out and go home like the TV repair guy, the widget sorter on the conveyor line, the barrista, and the stock market trader. Its a JOB. Some people at work are lousy. Some are wonderful. The bosses and the atmosphere of the job make ahuge difference.
Compare the local suburban Chick Fil-A with the KFC in a slum. The jobs are basically the same, but the work atmosphere and the bosses, the place you work and who you deal with make a big difference as to attitude and how you behave toward customers.
This is key to remember: police aren't a saintly calling, nothing about you changes when you put on the uniform. They don't become better or worse people with the badge. They arent strapping on Superman's cape or the devil's cloak.
They clock in, do their job, clock out and go home like the TV repair guy, the widget sorter on the conveyor line, the barrista, and the stock market trader. Its a JOB. Some people at work are lousy. Some are wonderful. The bosses and the atmosphere of the job make ahuge difference.
Compare the local suburban Chick Fil-A with the KFC in a slum. The jobs are basically the same, but the work atmosphere and the bosses, the place you work and who you deal with make a big difference as to attitude and how you behave toward customers.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 28, 2020 12:10 PM (KZzsI)
442
If you are retired PD, I wish you could maybe speak about this new policy that prioritizes cop lives over civilian lives. Because in the Marines, we were expected to shield civilians with our bodies, and we lost some good men because we wouldn't risk civilian lives to save our own.
Posted by: Fen at May 28, 2020 12:04 PM (TNHVJ)
How idiotic of that asshole who did that to you! There is no requirement of any kind that someone has to be handcuffed to be in the back of a patrol car, especially when they haven't been arrested. That was just another modern day cop being a dick because he gets off on being a dick, for someone like that, that's the only reason they joined the force.
A competent and well run Police Department would know to throw jackasses like that off the force, so it's guaranteed that problems go all the way to the top.
Posted by: Fen at May 28, 2020 12:04 PM (TNHVJ)
How idiotic of that asshole who did that to you! There is no requirement of any kind that someone has to be handcuffed to be in the back of a patrol car, especially when they haven't been arrested. That was just another modern day cop being a dick because he gets off on being a dick, for someone like that, that's the only reason they joined the force.
A competent and well run Police Department would know to throw jackasses like that off the force, so it's guaranteed that problems go all the way to the top.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 28, 2020 12:10 PM (Kpl3J)
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I dunno. I posit that the militarization IS needed, in some neighborhoods. Case in point, this very example. If I were a cop I'd want full powered armor, a rocket launcher and a fleet of tanks to police that s#ithole. Or just wall it off, Escape from New York style.
Posted by: Agent Cooper at May 28, 2020 12:11 PM (Dc5Qe)
Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 28, 2020 12:11 PM (2DOZq)
445
It's like a celebrity has virtually said "hi" to me!
Posted by: Carly at May 28, 2020 11:39 AM (Gaa5N)
Check with the people who have met me...you'll change your tune.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 28, 2020 11:42 AM (dLLD6)
I thought you seemed reputable. Of course, I'd been drinking.
Posted by: Carly at May 28, 2020 11:39 AM (Gaa5N)
Check with the people who have met me...you'll change your tune.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 28, 2020 11:42 AM (dLLD6)
I thought you seemed reputable. Of course, I'd been drinking.
Posted by: Laughing in Texas at May 28, 2020 12:11 PM (DiT5w)
446
Why can't I access the comments for the Morning Report?
Posted by: thathalfrican - Clark Kent with the glasses off
The password is "Lemme the FOOk in !"
Or something like that......
Posted by: thathalfrican - Clark Kent with the glasses off
The password is "Lemme the FOOk in !"
Or something like that......
Posted by: JT at May 28, 2020 12:11 PM (arJlL)
447
Not many paths available for HS grads to have a shot at the middle class these days.
Posted by: Puddin Head at May 28, 2020 11:59 AM (hxWDw)
Mike Rowe was on Fox touting his successful program to get HS kids trained in a trade.
Posted by: Puddin Head at May 28, 2020 11:59 AM (hxWDw)
Mike Rowe was on Fox touting his successful program to get HS kids trained in a trade.
Posted by: FloridaMan at May 28, 2020 12:12 PM (MciqG)
448
190. I didn't see the video, but after hearing and reading so much about this incident, I had to conclude the killer cop was a sadist. Your comment about his facial expression confirms my thought. I also figured that murder cop also had numerous complaints against him in the past.
Posted by: kallisto at May 28, 2020 12:12 PM (axaxF)
449
Joe Mannix,
I think you made your point earlier. I am just slow in typing.
I enjoy your take on issues.
The police are mainly the instrument of the state and the state/local government is increasingly wanting total compliance (except for elites) which causes civil unrest.
Tom Servo,
I miss commenting but health issues and the nastiness of the china flu between commenters is just not something I want to deal with.
I think you made your point earlier. I am just slow in typing.
I enjoy your take on issues.
The police are mainly the instrument of the state and the state/local government is increasingly wanting total compliance (except for elites) which causes civil unrest.
Tom Servo,
I miss commenting but health issues and the nastiness of the china flu between commenters is just not something I want to deal with.
Posted by: whig at May 28, 2020 12:12 PM (EUDB2)
Posted by: Just Lily at May 28, 2020 12:12 PM (yIlsy)
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Again, I have had a few interactions with police, and every time they are cautious but police and decent. They aren't monsters, they aren't killers, and they aren't an armed gang of thugs. Some cops are awful, some police forces are run by awful people (Portland, for instance) but the police themselves are just guys doing a job for the most part.
This is key to remember: police aren't a saintly calling, nothing about you changes when you put on the uniform. They don't become better or worse people with the badge. They arent strapping on Superman's cape or the devil's cloak.
They clock in, do their job, clock out and go home like the TV repair guy, the widget sorter on the conveyor line, the barrista, and the stock market trader. Its a JOB. Some people at work are lousy. Some are wonderful. The bosses and the atmosphere of the job make ahuge difference.
Compare the local suburban Chick Fil-A with the KFC in a slum. The jobs are basically the same, but the work atmosphere and the bosses, the place you work and who you deal with make a big difference as to attitude and how you behave toward customers.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 28, 2020 12:10 PM (KZzsI)
great points
This is key to remember: police aren't a saintly calling, nothing about you changes when you put on the uniform. They don't become better or worse people with the badge. They arent strapping on Superman's cape or the devil's cloak.
They clock in, do their job, clock out and go home like the TV repair guy, the widget sorter on the conveyor line, the barrista, and the stock market trader. Its a JOB. Some people at work are lousy. Some are wonderful. The bosses and the atmosphere of the job make ahuge difference.
Compare the local suburban Chick Fil-A with the KFC in a slum. The jobs are basically the same, but the work atmosphere and the bosses, the place you work and who you deal with make a big difference as to attitude and how you behave toward customers.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 28, 2020 12:10 PM (KZzsI)
great points
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 28, 2020 12:12 PM (nRk/c)
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That's wonderful, sharon!
Posted by: grammie winger at May 28, 2020 12:06 PM (lwiT4)
Thanks Grammie. I'm trying to not get ahead of myself. But, good sign that the agents wanted to get in as soon as possible.
I couldn;t wait to tell all of you. I think I woud have gone insane ifnot for the blog.
Posted by: grammie winger at May 28, 2020 12:06 PM (lwiT4)
Thanks Grammie. I'm trying to not get ahead of myself. But, good sign that the agents wanted to get in as soon as possible.
I couldn;t wait to tell all of you. I think I woud have gone insane ifnot for the blog.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 28, 2020 12:12 PM (QzF6i)
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A tale of two cops:
So I have a great context for this - because both incidents were identical. Both at my home, all the same people present. Both times the baby had severe choking episodes due to her head shape that necessitated CPR and a 911 call. Both times, the CPR worked before anyone arrived, so the baby was ok when they got there.
In Case #1, the cop who arrived with EMS was this roided up weirdo with tattoos all over, who acted like responding to an emergency call for a sick baby was like breaching a hostage situation. He seriously acted like some kind of crime was in progress.
In Case #2, the cop was a polite, clean-cut young dude. He said "Wow, good job! I'm glad she's ok. Can I please have your name and phone number in the event I need to follow up?" He never stepped more than two feet into my home, and then bid me a good day and left.
This is the two faces of policing. Now I'm not clear on why they need cops to actually come in at all, they didn't used to do that when I lived in the mountains. But I'm in the city now, so it's different I guess. Anyway, huge contrast, same department.
A tale of two cops:
So I have a great context for this - because both incidents were identical. Both at my home, all the same people present. Both times the baby had severe choking episodes due to her head shape that necessitated CPR and a 911 call. Both times, the CPR worked before anyone arrived, so the baby was ok when they got there.
In Case #1, the cop who arrived with EMS was this roided up weirdo with tattoos all over, who acted like responding to an emergency call for a sick baby was like breaching a hostage situation. He seriously acted like some kind of crime was in progress.
In Case #2, the cop was a polite, clean-cut young dude. He said "Wow, good job! I'm glad she's ok. Can I please have your name and phone number in the event I need to follow up?" He never stepped more than two feet into my home, and then bid me a good day and left.
This is the two faces of policing. Now I'm not clear on why they need cops to actually come in at all, they didn't used to do that when I lived in the mountains. But I'm in the city now, so it's different I guess. Anyway, huge contrast, same department.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 28, 2020 12:13 PM (h6CJG)
454
Trump is supposed to sign an EO.about social media today?
I think he's going to declare that they are open to lawsuits for how they moderate.
Personally I think the whole "is it a content producer, is it just a forum" thing is mistaken. Social Media sites, particularly the huge ones, are neither fish nor fowl. They are something new which new laws and approaches need to be built to address.
I think he's going to declare that they are open to lawsuits for how they moderate.
Personally I think the whole "is it a content producer, is it just a forum" thing is mistaken. Social Media sites, particularly the huge ones, are neither fish nor fowl. They are something new which new laws and approaches need to be built to address.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 28, 2020 12:13 PM (KZzsI)
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"And there are more than a few people who genuinely believe they are one pull over from being murdered by a cop. Thousands of people are questioned and arrested by police a day without anyone dying, but this one thing happens and they call it PROOF"
Shrug.
My fear is based on 3 direct experiences. 2 very close calls.
And I'm the guy the vehemently argued the shootings of Martin and Brown were justified. Freddie Gray killed himself trying to fake police brutality. Eric Garner caused his own death resisting arrest.
Shrug.
My fear is based on 3 direct experiences. 2 very close calls.
And I'm the guy the vehemently argued the shootings of Martin and Brown were justified. Freddie Gray killed himself trying to fake police brutality. Eric Garner caused his own death resisting arrest.
Posted by: Fen at May 28, 2020 12:13 PM (TNHVJ)
456
The Wisconsin State Fair has just been canceled due to Plandemic.
Posted by: grammie winger at May 28, 2020 12:13 PM (lwiT4)
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Larry Elder has mentioned cops more likely to shoot white people, and cites his sources.
Posted by: banned glows in dark at May 28, 2020 12:07 PM (UKLnl)
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I did some reading on the Oklahoma City race riot in the 1920s. Do you know what started it?
The cops killed a white boy in custody. I kid you not, the response from the black community is that if the cops would kill a white boy--then a young black man has no chance--or something along those lines.
First 24 hours, there were like 8 white guys killed by vigilantes and *NO* AA fatalities. In the end, it was a massacre, and a lot of African Americans ended up dying.
Posted by: banned glows in dark at May 28, 2020 12:07 PM (UKLnl)
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I did some reading on the Oklahoma City race riot in the 1920s. Do you know what started it?
The cops killed a white boy in custody. I kid you not, the response from the black community is that if the cops would kill a white boy--then a young black man has no chance--or something along those lines.
First 24 hours, there were like 8 white guys killed by vigilantes and *NO* AA fatalities. In the end, it was a massacre, and a lot of African Americans ended up dying.
Posted by: Axeman at May 28, 2020 12:14 PM (Eicbe)
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The issue of heavy-handed police tactics doesn't appear in a vacuum. I'd say you can't address it without dealing with the factors which play into it, including:
Mentally Ill folks turned out onto the streets
Drugs which can turn people into violent nutjobs
Increasing concentrations of people into cities and high-density neighborhoods
Increasingly "diverse" communities without any common culture
Create an environment where you often see random, brutal violence, hostility towards law enforcement, and throw in a lot of corruption by law-makers and officials and it's not surprising that the average cop is a lot more twitchy and a lot-more likely to take an aggressive attitude, and that in turn probably attracts a more sadistic personality which looks for an excuse to exercise power.
Mentally Ill folks turned out onto the streets
Drugs which can turn people into violent nutjobs
Increasing concentrations of people into cities and high-density neighborhoods
Increasingly "diverse" communities without any common culture
Create an environment where you often see random, brutal violence, hostility towards law enforcement, and throw in a lot of corruption by law-makers and officials and it's not surprising that the average cop is a lot more twitchy and a lot-more likely to take an aggressive attitude, and that in turn probably attracts a more sadistic personality which looks for an excuse to exercise power.
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at May 28, 2020 12:14 PM (SgjGX)
459
Very well thought out mini-essay. I'm stealing quite a bit of it for my next debate with my progressive friends.
Posted by: Pendejo at May 28, 2020 12:15 PM (rCeFu)
460
That was just another modern day cop being a dick because he gets off on being a dick, for someone like that, that's the only reason they joined the force.
My guess is he just didn't want to have to deal with someone in the back of his car, the paperwork involved, and driving anywhere except to the donut shop. Its almost always something really sad and pathetic, not sinister.
My guess is he just didn't want to have to deal with someone in the back of his car, the paperwork involved, and driving anywhere except to the donut shop. Its almost always something really sad and pathetic, not sinister.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 28, 2020 12:15 PM (KZzsI)
461
Judges and juries need to begin holding police accountable for the "little" things if we expect any change. We have far too much concern about people charged with crimes getting loose on "technicalities" and far too little concern about why those "technicalities" are there in the first place.
Too many judges simply defer to law enforcement when they testify that a particular individual gave consent to a search or fit a particular description and allow huge leeway based on the officer's "training and experience".
Too many juries simply accept an officer's version of events because they are officers.
And too many prosecutors leverage the inherent tendency to trust police into onerous plea agreements that serve to undermine trust in the notion that "the system" is just.
Too many judges simply defer to law enforcement when they testify that a particular individual gave consent to a search or fit a particular description and allow huge leeway based on the officer's "training and experience".
Too many juries simply accept an officer's version of events because they are officers.
And too many prosecutors leverage the inherent tendency to trust police into onerous plea agreements that serve to undermine trust in the notion that "the system" is just.
Posted by: Conservative Defender at May 28, 2020 12:15 PM (QJom8)
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Trump executive order (sorry, did a grab from CNN so it reeks, but you all are immune): "it seeks to curtail the power of large social media platforms by reinterpreting a critical 1996 law that shields websites and tech companies from lawsuits."
Posted by: runner at May 28, 2020 12:15 PM (zr5Kq)
463
Compare the local suburban Chick Fil-A with the KFC
in a slum. The jobs are basically the same, but the work atmosphere and
the bosses, the place you work and who you deal with make a big
difference as to attitude and how you behave toward customers.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 28, 2020 12:10 PM (KZzsI)
great points
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 28, 2020 12:12 PM (nRk/c)
It's hard to be a cop nowadays. If I was watching my brother and sister officers all over the country be brutally asassinated by complete randos full of "F**k the Police" leftwing BLM fervor, I'd handcuff everybody I met before asking the first question too.
in a slum. The jobs are basically the same, but the work atmosphere and
the bosses, the place you work and who you deal with make a big
difference as to attitude and how you behave toward customers.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 28, 2020 12:10 PM (KZzsI)
great points
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 28, 2020 12:12 PM (nRk/c)
It's hard to be a cop nowadays. If I was watching my brother and sister officers all over the country be brutally asassinated by complete randos full of "F**k the Police" leftwing BLM fervor, I'd handcuff everybody I met before asking the first question too.
Posted by: Agent Cooper at May 28, 2020 12:16 PM (Dc5Qe)
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Sharon - I think that's a good sign too. And I know what you mean about the blog. This is a wonderful group of people, and such a good source of information. I love this place. Best wishes for selling your house!! And enjoy your massage - I think touch is very important.
Shut up you perverts.
Shut up you perverts.
Posted by: grammie winger at May 28, 2020 12:16 PM (lwiT4)
465
were a cop I'd want full powered armor, a rocket launcher
Saw a motorcycle cop yesterday with a predator like device mounted on his right shoulder, think it was a radar gun. Nice, a radiation source constantly by your head. Seemed like a bad idea.
Saw a motorcycle cop yesterday with a predator like device mounted on his right shoulder, think it was a radar gun. Nice, a radiation source constantly by your head. Seemed like a bad idea.
Posted by: banned radar range oven at May 28, 2020 12:16 PM (1ylHU)
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It's hard to be a cop nowadays. If I was watching my brother and sister officers all over the country be brutally asassinated by complete randos full of "F**k the Police" leftwing BLM fervor, I'd handcuff everybody I met before asking the first question too.
Posted by: Agent Cooper at May 28, 2020 12:16 PM (Dc5Qe)
Yup
Posted by: Agent Cooper at May 28, 2020 12:16 PM (Dc5Qe)
Yup
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 28, 2020 12:16 PM (nRk/c)
467
The Wisconsin State Fair has just been canceled due to Plandemic.
Posted by: grammie winger at May 28, 2020 12:13 PM (lwiT4)
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Im so sick of this.
On the bright side.... nobody is dying from clogged arteries eating deep fat fried butter.
Posted by: grammie winger at May 28, 2020 12:13 PM (lwiT4)
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Im so sick of this.
On the bright side.... nobody is dying from clogged arteries eating deep fat fried butter.
Posted by: fixerupper at May 28, 2020 12:17 PM (8XRCm)
468
no mention of how and why media platforms should be immune. hint, they should not
Posted by: runner at May 28, 2020 12:17 PM (zr5Kq)
469
In a traffic stop I'm no longer seen as Joe Citizen. I am, by default, a PERPETRATOR and that's how I'm treated. It's exasperating.
Posted by: Sphynx
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Here, I have to invoke the Broad Brush exemption. A while back I was in a disabling fender-bender (the final blow for my much-beloved '95 S-10). The young LEO that handled the accident report did an excellent job. He was official, yet affable. Expressed sympathy for the circumstances.
When I finally recalled that I was probably supposed to tell him that I have a carry permit, he shrugged and said, "Yeah, I know, I saw it when I ran your license. You carrying now?" "Nope," sez I, "nothing on my person or in the vehicle."
Anyhow, he did a good and courteous job.
I wrote a letter to the Chief commending the guy. The Chief actually wrote back, commenting that it was fairly rare to receive something like that, as what they mostly get are complaints. Said that a copy of my letter went into the guy's file.
A month or so ago, a difficult circumstance (illness) with a friend of mine caused me to meet Sheriff's deputies at my friend's house for a wellness check. Three guys showed up. They were *very* polite, well-mannered, and dealt with things as if they were good neighbors.
They aren't all bad.
I've told the story before of a friend who was a SC highway patrolman. Got shot down on a routine traffic stop. Wife, two kids.
We hear a lot more about the bad ones than the good ones.
Want a treat? Go down and sign up for a ride-along, it's informative.
In a traffic stop I'm no longer seen as Joe Citizen. I am, by default, a PERPETRATOR and that's how I'm treated. It's exasperating.
Posted by: Sphynx
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Here, I have to invoke the Broad Brush exemption. A while back I was in a disabling fender-bender (the final blow for my much-beloved '95 S-10). The young LEO that handled the accident report did an excellent job. He was official, yet affable. Expressed sympathy for the circumstances.
When I finally recalled that I was probably supposed to tell him that I have a carry permit, he shrugged and said, "Yeah, I know, I saw it when I ran your license. You carrying now?" "Nope," sez I, "nothing on my person or in the vehicle."
Anyhow, he did a good and courteous job.
I wrote a letter to the Chief commending the guy. The Chief actually wrote back, commenting that it was fairly rare to receive something like that, as what they mostly get are complaints. Said that a copy of my letter went into the guy's file.
A month or so ago, a difficult circumstance (illness) with a friend of mine caused me to meet Sheriff's deputies at my friend's house for a wellness check. Three guys showed up. They were *very* polite, well-mannered, and dealt with things as if they were good neighbors.
They aren't all bad.
I've told the story before of a friend who was a SC highway patrolman. Got shot down on a routine traffic stop. Wife, two kids.
We hear a lot more about the bad ones than the good ones.
Want a treat? Go down and sign up for a ride-along, it's informative.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 28, 2020 12:17 PM (ysC0S)
470
Looks like Targets embrace of diversity and tranny friendly restrooms didn't save them from the Dem mobs. Maybe they need more traning of their employees
Posted by: Ripley at May 28, 2020 12:17 PM (MxEKc)
471
On the bright side.... nobody is dying from clogged arteries eating deep fat fried butter.
Posted by: fixerupper at May 28, 2020 12:17 PM (8XRCm)
But what about my CHEESE CURDS?!?
Posted by: fixerupper at May 28, 2020 12:17 PM (8XRCm)
But what about my CHEESE CURDS?!?
Posted by: grammie winger at May 28, 2020 12:17 PM (lwiT4)
472
Headline in the local rag today: Boeing to cut 12,000 jobs.
Thanxs Dems. This is all on you.
Posted by: Diogenes at May 28, 2020 11:59 AM (axyOa)
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I'd say Boeing Mismanagement is at least 90% at fault.
Headline in the local rag today: Boeing to cut 12,000 jobs.
Thanxs Dems. This is all on you.
Posted by: Diogenes at May 28, 2020 11:59 AM (axyOa)
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I'd say Boeing Mismanagement is at least 90% at fault.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at May 28, 2020 12:18 PM (pw+jk)
473
"The penalty for resisting arrest should not be death."
I agree. However, we must not kid ourselves. The simple fact is that every law, down to the pettiest business regulation, is enforced at the point of a gun. That is why government must be kept to a minimum. Government *is* violence. Period.
I agree. However, we must not kid ourselves. The simple fact is that every law, down to the pettiest business regulation, is enforced at the point of a gun. That is why government must be kept to a minimum. Government *is* violence. Period.
Posted by: Zaklog the Great at May 28, 2020 12:18 PM (EtXsI)
474
The issue of heavy-handed police tactics doesn't appear in a vacuum. I'd say you can't address it without dealing with the factors which play into it
Yeah its a grotesque cycle that builds on its self. Police didn't used to carry around 20-shot glocks, they had a police special 38 revolver and that was considered enough. If things got worse, they were issued a "riot gun" shotgun.
As time went on, things got worse on the streets for a wide variety of reasons (the moral rot mentioned above by Sooner, the release of insane to the streets you bring up, the crass politicians ginning up fury and frustration to gain power, etc). As the bad guys got worse, the police armored and armed up more. Now they're driving around tanks and killing people in the streets.
Yeah its a grotesque cycle that builds on its self. Police didn't used to carry around 20-shot glocks, they had a police special 38 revolver and that was considered enough. If things got worse, they were issued a "riot gun" shotgun.
As time went on, things got worse on the streets for a wide variety of reasons (the moral rot mentioned above by Sooner, the release of insane to the streets you bring up, the crass politicians ginning up fury and frustration to gain power, etc). As the bad guys got worse, the police armored and armed up more. Now they're driving around tanks and killing people in the streets.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 28, 2020 12:18 PM (KZzsI)
475
I just microwaved a chicken pot pie that the restaurant served up for dinner yesterday...
4 minutes makes the filling under the puff pastry just a few degrees less than a runaway nuclear reactor core.
I'll adjust next time.
4 minutes makes the filling under the puff pastry just a few degrees less than a runaway nuclear reactor core.
I'll adjust next time.
Posted by: jwest at May 28, 2020 12:18 PM (mrrpT)
476
Again, I have had a few interactions with police, and every time they are cautious but police and decent. They aren't monsters, they aren't killers, and they aren't an armed gang of thugs. Some cops are awful, some police forces are run by awful people (Portland, for instance) but the police themselves are just guys doing a job for the most part.
This is key to remember: police aren't a saintly calling, nothing about you changes when you put on the uniform. They don't become better or worse people with the badge. They arent strapping on Superman's cape or the devil's cloak."
I've also had multiple interactions, and they've always turned out well (for me). I know how to speak their language and not be an idiot. The first thing a cop does after he arrives is to look for the idiot who seems to be causing the most trouble, and focus his attention there.
One thing I have noticed, especially with younger cops - they are surprisingly ignorant of the actual Law on anything that isn't obvious. Most of them seem to know as much about the Law as any 20 year old who's spent a couple hours browsing facebook. It's really surprising what some thing they can or cannot do, or should or should not do. Another reason why, if you think you're in trouble, ALWAYS ask to speak to your lawyer, and don't answer any questions except for ID until you do.
This is key to remember: police aren't a saintly calling, nothing about you changes when you put on the uniform. They don't become better or worse people with the badge. They arent strapping on Superman's cape or the devil's cloak."
I've also had multiple interactions, and they've always turned out well (for me). I know how to speak their language and not be an idiot. The first thing a cop does after he arrives is to look for the idiot who seems to be causing the most trouble, and focus his attention there.
One thing I have noticed, especially with younger cops - they are surprisingly ignorant of the actual Law on anything that isn't obvious. Most of them seem to know as much about the Law as any 20 year old who's spent a couple hours browsing facebook. It's really surprising what some thing they can or cannot do, or should or should not do. Another reason why, if you think you're in trouble, ALWAYS ask to speak to your lawyer, and don't answer any questions except for ID until you do.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 28, 2020 12:18 PM (Kpl3J)
477
Well, when we decide that every single societal "ill" requires the government to declare WAR on it then cops necessary become soldiers in that WAR. And then we load them up on military hardware, point them at ourselves and pull the trigger. So it's very small surprise when law enforcement agents come to view the populace as "The Enemy".
Posted by: I Have Questions at May 28, 2020 12:18 PM (+v+zN)
478
Are you saying Floyd was resisting up until he was killed?
No just reiterating the point that all laws ultimately carry the death penalty.
No just reiterating the point that all laws ultimately carry the death penalty.
Posted by: DaveA at May 28, 2020 12:19 PM (FhXTo)
Posted by: Ghost of Qassem Soleimani at May 28, 2020 12:20 PM (j7aNt)
480
whig, get better, and comment on the gun thread (the real one, I mean .... not sure what happened today).
And what do you mean by wu flu between commenters? Robust comradely debate?
And what do you mean by wu flu between commenters? Robust comradely debate?
Posted by: rhomboid at May 28, 2020 12:20 PM (El6T/)
481
But what about my CHEESE CURDS?!?
Posted by: grammie winger at May 28, 2020 12:17 PM (lwiT4)
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mmmmm cheese curds.
THe BEST ones come from Missouri. The Osceola Cheese factory.
Dang those are good.
Posted by: grammie winger at May 28, 2020 12:17 PM (lwiT4)
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mmmmm cheese curds.
THe BEST ones come from Missouri. The Osceola Cheese factory.
Dang those are good.
Posted by: fixerupper at May 28, 2020 12:20 PM (8XRCm)
482
"How idiotic of that asshole who did that to you! There is no requirement of any kind that someone has to be handcuffed to be in the back of a patrol car, especially when they haven't been arrested. That was just another modern day cop being a dick because he gets off on being a dick"
There were 8 cops on the scene. I think it is Maryland Policy that anyone transported in PD car be handcuffed(?)
Although I don't understand why 8 police cars were needed to impound a car for expired registration. I have no criminal record and have never resisted arrest.
Maybe if they are all on scene, they all get credit for a quota or something.
It was an ironic walk home - on one hand, I was afraid if I stopped to rest they would pull up and arrest me for loitering. On the other hand, I didn't want tomorrow's headline to be "local cops let Marine die of heat stroke on side of road".
Found it very interesting too that they had no emergency water policy for "Black Flag" conditions. Or that not a single one of 8 cops thought to offer me a bottle of water.
There were 8 cops on the scene. I think it is Maryland Policy that anyone transported in PD car be handcuffed(?)
Although I don't understand why 8 police cars were needed to impound a car for expired registration. I have no criminal record and have never resisted arrest.
Maybe if they are all on scene, they all get credit for a quota or something.
It was an ironic walk home - on one hand, I was afraid if I stopped to rest they would pull up and arrest me for loitering. On the other hand, I didn't want tomorrow's headline to be "local cops let Marine die of heat stroke on side of road".
Found it very interesting too that they had no emergency water policy for "Black Flag" conditions. Or that not a single one of 8 cops thought to offer me a bottle of water.
Posted by: Fen at May 28, 2020 12:20 PM (TNHVJ)
483
Looks like Targets embrace of diversity and tranny friendly restrooms didn't save them from the Dem mobs.
Posted by: Ripley at May 28, 2020 12:17 PM (MxEKc)
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They were in the neighborhood.
Posted by: Ripley at May 28, 2020 12:17 PM (MxEKc)
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They were in the neighborhood.
Posted by: Axeman at May 28, 2020 12:20 PM (Eicbe)
484
I didn't see the video, but after hearing and reading so much about this incident, I had to conclude the killer cop was a sadist. Your comment about his facial expression confirms my thought. I also figured that murder cop also had numerous complaints against him in the past.
Posted by: kallisto at May 28, 2020 12:12 PM (axaxF)
I only saw about 20 seconds worth of video, and frankly, I don't trust any video that gets released to the public.
It serves generally whatever purpose the releasers want it to, which is primarily to sway public opinion.
As with ALL these cases, unless and until a defense is presented in court, nobody really knows exactly what happened. Often times there are little details that change the perspective entirely.
Such as a video that shows a "sadistic look on someone's face," could turn out to be the guy was about to sneeze.
I don't know. And unless the whole video is being released, and whatever other corroborating evidence there is comes out, nobody else does either.
Posted by: kallisto at May 28, 2020 12:12 PM (axaxF)
I only saw about 20 seconds worth of video, and frankly, I don't trust any video that gets released to the public.
It serves generally whatever purpose the releasers want it to, which is primarily to sway public opinion.
As with ALL these cases, unless and until a defense is presented in court, nobody really knows exactly what happened. Often times there are little details that change the perspective entirely.
Such as a video that shows a "sadistic look on someone's face," could turn out to be the guy was about to sneeze.
I don't know. And unless the whole video is being released, and whatever other corroborating evidence there is comes out, nobody else does either.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 28, 2020 12:20 PM (hku12)
485
4 minutes makes the filling under the puff pastry just a few degrees less than a runaway nuclear reactor core.
Posted by: jwest at May 28, 2020 12:18 PM (mrrpT)
LOL
Posted by: jwest at May 28, 2020 12:18 PM (mrrpT)
LOL
Posted by: Jordan61 at May 28, 2020 12:21 PM (JWNIX)
486
handcuff everybody I met before asking the first question too.
Friend's daughter got in trouble as a rookie for not covering a kid (literally a kid) with her service pistol as ordered. Turned out kid had a pistol under his shirt!
Friend's daughter got in trouble as a rookie for not covering a kid (literally a kid) with her service pistol as ordered. Turned out kid had a pistol under his shirt!
Posted by: banned shows hands at May 28, 2020 12:21 PM (1ylHU)
487
MOre about that order " The draft order, which was reviewed by CNN, targets a law known as the Communications Decency Act. Section 230 of the legislation provides broad immunity to websites that curate and moderate their own platforms, and has been described by legal experts as "the 26 words that created the internet. .(draft order) argues the protections hinge mainly on tech platforms operating in "good faith," and that social media companies have not."
Posted by: runner at May 28, 2020 12:21 PM (zr5Kq)
488
478 Are you saying Floyd was resisting up until he was killed?
No just reiterating the point that all laws ultimately carry the death penalty.
Posted by: DaveA at May 28, 2020 12:19 PM (FhXTo)
Don't you think that it's the ultimate irony that Liberals keep passing more and more laws that have an implied Death Penalty, as you say, one imposed with no trial and no jury, and then they say "Oh NO! How Dare you impose a Death Penalty on that Child Murderer, that is so uncivilized!!!"
No just reiterating the point that all laws ultimately carry the death penalty.
Posted by: DaveA at May 28, 2020 12:19 PM (FhXTo)
Don't you think that it's the ultimate irony that Liberals keep passing more and more laws that have an implied Death Penalty, as you say, one imposed with no trial and no jury, and then they say "Oh NO! How Dare you impose a Death Penalty on that Child Murderer, that is so uncivilized!!!"
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 28, 2020 12:21 PM (Kpl3J)
489
Now they're driving around tanks and killing people in the streets.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 28, 2020 12:18 PM (KZzsI)
Hyperbole much?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 28, 2020 12:18 PM (KZzsI)
Hyperbole much?
Posted by: BignJames at May 28, 2020 12:21 PM (X/Pw5)
490
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This is the two faces of policing. Now I'm not clear on why they need cops to actually come in at all, they didn't used to do that when I lived in the mountains. But I'm in the city now, so it's different I guess. Anyway, huge contrast, same department.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 28, 2020 12:13 PM (h6CJG)
Speculating that because it involved a young child it was considered a domestic situation.
This is the two faces of policing. Now I'm not clear on why they need cops to actually come in at all, they didn't used to do that when I lived in the mountains. But I'm in the city now, so it's different I guess. Anyway, huge contrast, same department.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 28, 2020 12:13 PM (h6CJG)
Speculating that because it involved a young child it was considered a domestic situation.
Posted by: Braenyard at May 28, 2020 12:21 PM (Xb1xU)
491
I just microwaved a chicken pot pie that the restaurant served up for dinner yesterday...
4 minutes makes the filling under the puff pastry just a few degrees less than a runaway nuclear reactor core.
I'll adjust next time.
Posted by: jwest
While 1 inch away is the temperature or Barrow, Alaska in February.
4 minutes makes the filling under the puff pastry just a few degrees less than a runaway nuclear reactor core.
I'll adjust next time.
Posted by: jwest
While 1 inch away is the temperature or Barrow, Alaska in February.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 28, 2020 12:21 PM (GvEen)
492
4 minutes makes the filling under the puff pastry just a few degrees less than a runaway nuclear reactor core.
I'll adjust next time.
Posted by: jwest
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You nuked a non-frozen food for...... four? minutes???
4 minutes makes the filling under the puff pastry just a few degrees less than a runaway nuclear reactor core.
I'll adjust next time.
Posted by: jwest
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You nuked a non-frozen food for...... four? minutes???
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at May 28, 2020 12:22 PM (G51Gf)
493
Obviously, tons of wonderful police out there, and they are necessary for a free society.
But, the job of police officer, with its power, prestige and platinum benefits...also has a low threshold for entry. It has become the best possible job for the lowest common denominator of society, who has not yet been convicted of a felony.
That is a problem that could be fixed, if politicians were up for it.
But, the job of police officer, with its power, prestige and platinum benefits...also has a low threshold for entry. It has become the best possible job for the lowest common denominator of society, who has not yet been convicted of a felony.
That is a problem that could be fixed, if politicians were up for it.
Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at May 28, 2020 12:23 PM (svbBD)
494
At one time, a Cop was trained for and told to walk a beat in a neighborhood where he got to know the people and the business's, and he considered that his territory, and took it badly when things went wrong.
We then put Cops in cars, and suddenly the beat Cop was no more as the Traffic Cop took over whizzing by the people and business's that he once walked by in pursuit of the traffic ticket dollar and motor vehicle problems.
The Traffic Cop was then pushed aside by the SWAT Cop who reveled in his new toys of destruction as he took on bad guys straight out of a Rambo movie. Now we have the total militarization of the police complete with a We vs. Them attitude, armored vehicles, grenades and military equipment and We the Citizens are paying for it.
The days of Protect and Serve are long gone and no wonder that Cops and LE in general are willing to be the Brownshirts for tyrannical politico's when that's the role they have been trained for. The days of the beat Cop that was a friend as well as a protector died along time ago, and we let it happen because we didn't speak up and now we have no one to blame but ourselves. I say this as a 20 year veteran of law enforcement who saw LE go from beat cop to full metal jacket.
We then put Cops in cars, and suddenly the beat Cop was no more as the Traffic Cop took over whizzing by the people and business's that he once walked by in pursuit of the traffic ticket dollar and motor vehicle problems.
The Traffic Cop was then pushed aside by the SWAT Cop who reveled in his new toys of destruction as he took on bad guys straight out of a Rambo movie. Now we have the total militarization of the police complete with a We vs. Them attitude, armored vehicles, grenades and military equipment and We the Citizens are paying for it.
The days of Protect and Serve are long gone and no wonder that Cops and LE in general are willing to be the Brownshirts for tyrannical politico's when that's the role they have been trained for. The days of the beat Cop that was a friend as well as a protector died along time ago, and we let it happen because we didn't speak up and now we have no one to blame but ourselves. I say this as a 20 year veteran of law enforcement who saw LE go from beat cop to full metal jacket.
Posted by: Tony Litwin at May 28, 2020 12:23 PM (2U5dr)
495
Looks like Targets embrace of diversity and tranny friendly restrooms didn't save them from the Dem mobs.
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There's Target. The ones you an I shop.
Then there's Targe't (Tar zey). The ones where our betters shop.
Then there are Tar-ghettos.
Im guessing the pummeled store was the latter.
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There's Target. The ones you an I shop.
Then there's Targe't (Tar zey). The ones where our betters shop.
Then there are Tar-ghettos.
Im guessing the pummeled store was the latter.
Posted by: fixerupper at May 28, 2020 12:23 PM (8XRCm)
496
To all the leftists suddenly crying about the 1st Amendment, I say:
"All Trump is doing is trying to get rid of hate speech and you all are already fine with that. "
"All Trump is doing is trying to get rid of hate speech and you all are already fine with that. "
Posted by: RoyalOil at May 28, 2020 12:23 PM (aO8Gd)
497
LOLOL - Michael Knowles finds out what happens when you say "Look, Fat" 3x in the mirror:
https://tinyurl.com/y845ljv8
https://tinyurl.com/y845ljv8
Posted by: Guy Smiley at May 28, 2020 12:23 PM (+7yf7)
498
It looks like manslaughter with a side order of depraved indifference, and negligence.
Murder, not so much.
Murder, not so much.
Posted by: dirks strewn DA 1977 at May 28, 2020 12:23 PM (LBiyC)
499
One of my few positive interactions with police is when me and a buddy ran out of gas at 2am on a stretch of 1-10 in Louisiana. A drug running stretch. As we were walking a police cruiser pulled us over , handcuffed us while they got our story . I had a NY drivers license at the time which raised suspicion. After all was said and done , they understood the situation and gave us a ride of about five miles to nearest gas station and back to our car.
Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 28, 2020 12:24 PM (2DOZq)
500
"The penalty for resisting arrest should not be death."
I agree. However, we must not kid ourselves. The simple fact is that every law, down to the pettiest business regulation, is enforced at the point of a gun. That is why government must be kept to a minimum. Government *is* violence. Period.
Posted by: Zaklog the Great at May 28, 2020 12:18 PM (EtXsI)
Frankly, I treat the argument that "he was killed for selling cigarettes," or "no one should die for resisting arrest" as on a par with "he shouldn't be impeached for getting a blowjob by someone who was not his wife."
Yeah, there was more to it than that, but the soundbite is cute.
I agree. However, we must not kid ourselves. The simple fact is that every law, down to the pettiest business regulation, is enforced at the point of a gun. That is why government must be kept to a minimum. Government *is* violence. Period.
Posted by: Zaklog the Great at May 28, 2020 12:18 PM (EtXsI)
Frankly, I treat the argument that "he was killed for selling cigarettes," or "no one should die for resisting arrest" as on a par with "he shouldn't be impeached for getting a blowjob by someone who was not his wife."
Yeah, there was more to it than that, but the soundbite is cute.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 28, 2020 12:24 PM (hku12)
501
There's a lot of intersecting problems causing this militarization, but I think the main ones are:
1) The rise of the unfit and/or undersized cop
and
2) the total lack of tolerance for, let's say, the corporal punishment aspects of law enforcement.
Ideally, a cop should be fit enough and well-trained enough to be intimidating so that his warning is enough,
and if not, and you resist arrest a short sharp beatdown is the price you will pay.
So, resisting arrest is a much less likely option than if some chubby, microcop is involved.
As an example-
When I was in the Navy in Japan, one evening I was walking back to base.
and on the main street right before the turn off to the base were two YUGE Marines acting like complete assholes. They appeared to have been drinking but not particularly drunk and were grab-asking passing Japanese women and being general nuisances.
so, I headed over thinking, "Great, now I get to try to take control of these two a-holes using all the might and majesty of my Dental Corps Lieutenancy while in civilian clothes. Cuz this sort of thing causes PR problems for everyone.
While I was approaching the fracas, the local Japanese cop stepped out of his police box and wandered over to the two Marines and politely invited them to return to the Base.
One of the Marines pushed the little police guy, who was about 5'4" tall and the other one swung a roundhouse punch at him.
After that, it was all the cop.
I've never seen such a brutal and efficient beatdown in my life. Using his baton, it was all joint strikes, nerve plexus strikes, pressure point strikes, with a couple of gratuitous head strikes as the two fell to the ground. In under a minute, these two guys who were really big and fit were reduced to piles of quivering jelly.
The cop then must've given a courtesy call to the Base MPs cuz they were suddenly there to cuff the Marines and take them back to Base.
I never saw that cop given the least bit of trouble again.
I doubt it's impossible for us as a nation to go back to the beat cop system with well-trained fit cops,
but that would be the solution.
1) The rise of the unfit and/or undersized cop
and
2) the total lack of tolerance for, let's say, the corporal punishment aspects of law enforcement.
Ideally, a cop should be fit enough and well-trained enough to be intimidating so that his warning is enough,
and if not, and you resist arrest a short sharp beatdown is the price you will pay.
So, resisting arrest is a much less likely option than if some chubby, microcop is involved.
As an example-
When I was in the Navy in Japan, one evening I was walking back to base.
and on the main street right before the turn off to the base were two YUGE Marines acting like complete assholes. They appeared to have been drinking but not particularly drunk and were grab-asking passing Japanese women and being general nuisances.
so, I headed over thinking, "Great, now I get to try to take control of these two a-holes using all the might and majesty of my Dental Corps Lieutenancy while in civilian clothes. Cuz this sort of thing causes PR problems for everyone.
While I was approaching the fracas, the local Japanese cop stepped out of his police box and wandered over to the two Marines and politely invited them to return to the Base.
One of the Marines pushed the little police guy, who was about 5'4" tall and the other one swung a roundhouse punch at him.
After that, it was all the cop.
I've never seen such a brutal and efficient beatdown in my life. Using his baton, it was all joint strikes, nerve plexus strikes, pressure point strikes, with a couple of gratuitous head strikes as the two fell to the ground. In under a minute, these two guys who were really big and fit were reduced to piles of quivering jelly.
The cop then must've given a courtesy call to the Base MPs cuz they were suddenly there to cuff the Marines and take them back to Base.
I never saw that cop given the least bit of trouble again.
I doubt it's impossible for us as a nation to go back to the beat cop system with well-trained fit cops,
but that would be the solution.
Posted by: naturalfake at May 28, 2020 12:24 PM (z0XD8)
502
Did someone say now you can't comment unless you have something intelligent and worthwhile to say?
Shucks.
***kicks rock and sulks***
Shucks.
***kicks rock and sulks***
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at May 28, 2020 12:24 PM (QW9VZ)
503
406 Oh my gosh! I don't think I've ever known a person who knew there was a Momence!
Posted by: grammie winger at May 28, 2020 11:53 AM (lwiT4)
Hello! I worked with a tie gang for Conrail back in the 80's. Along side of the track, facing the track was a huge sign that read 'absolutely NO artifact hunting allowed'. Must have been an old indian village. We worked that gang from Fort Wayne all the way to Streetor.
Posted by: grammie winger at May 28, 2020 11:53 AM (lwiT4)
Hello! I worked with a tie gang for Conrail back in the 80's. Along side of the track, facing the track was a huge sign that read 'absolutely NO artifact hunting allowed'. Must have been an old indian village. We worked that gang from Fort Wayne all the way to Streetor.
Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid, banana baton in paw at May 28, 2020 12:24 PM (Vy7tf)
504
Don't you think that it's the ultimate irony that Liberals keep passing more and more laws that have an implied Death Penalty, as you say, one imposed with no trial and no jury, and then they say "Oh NO! How Dare you impose a Death Penalty on that Child Murderer, that is so uncivilized!!!"
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 28, 2020 12:21 PM (Kpl3J)
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I wrote last night that any name they give themselves is ironic. Because they will grab the words with the best connotation to describe themselves, but they won't follow through on anything. They are mainly about messaging.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 28, 2020 12:21 PM (Kpl3J)
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I wrote last night that any name they give themselves is ironic. Because they will grab the words with the best connotation to describe themselves, but they won't follow through on anything. They are mainly about messaging.
Posted by: Axeman at May 28, 2020 12:25 PM (Eicbe)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 28, 2020 12:25 PM (+y/Ru)
506
You nuked a non-frozen food for...... four? minutes???
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at May 28, 2020 12:22 PM (G51Gf)
Seemed like a reasonable setting at the time.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at May 28, 2020 12:22 PM (G51Gf)
Seemed like a reasonable setting at the time.
Posted by: jwest at May 28, 2020 12:25 PM (mrrpT)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 28, 2020 12:25 PM (s2VJv)
508
At one time, a Cop was trained for and told to walk a beat in a neighborhood where he got to know the people and the business's, and he considered that his territory, and took it badly when things went wrong.
We then put Cops in cars, and suddenly the beat Cop was no more as the Traffic Cop took over whizzing by the people and business's that he once walked by in pursuit of the traffic ticket dollar and motor vehicle problems.
...
Posted by: Tony Litwin at May 28, 2020 12:23 PM (2U5dr)
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Putting them in cars isn't necessarily the problem. That is the transport method of the time, and it's fine. That doesn't mean they have to (like in the Denver suburbs where I live) do nothing but traffic enforcement to rake in revenue. It doesn't mean they have to be aloof. It doesn't mean they have to be aggressive.
This is one of the reasons I favor "community policing." Cops should live where they run their beat (whether on foot or on bike or in a car). They should know from real experience how things work. It doesn't have to be 100% (there is also a "good old boy" problem), but the majority of the cops in an area should live in the area.
We then put Cops in cars, and suddenly the beat Cop was no more as the Traffic Cop took over whizzing by the people and business's that he once walked by in pursuit of the traffic ticket dollar and motor vehicle problems.
...
Posted by: Tony Litwin at May 28, 2020 12:23 PM (2U5dr)
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Putting them in cars isn't necessarily the problem. That is the transport method of the time, and it's fine. That doesn't mean they have to (like in the Denver suburbs where I live) do nothing but traffic enforcement to rake in revenue. It doesn't mean they have to be aloof. It doesn't mean they have to be aggressive.
This is one of the reasons I favor "community policing." Cops should live where they run their beat (whether on foot or on bike or in a car). They should know from real experience how things work. It doesn't have to be 100% (there is also a "good old boy" problem), but the majority of the cops in an area should live in the area.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 28, 2020 12:25 PM (hYcqw)
509
Same can be said for law enforcement was my point.
Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 28, 2020 12:03 PM (2DOZq)
That's not true. Gun crime is higher among cops and ex cops than among CCL holders.
Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 28, 2020 12:03 PM (2DOZq)
That's not true. Gun crime is higher among cops and ex cops than among CCL holders.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 28, 2020 12:26 PM (dLLD6)
510
Who kneed the neck of the Morning Report?
Posted by: ... at May 28, 2020 12:26 PM (t+mAj)
511
You nuked a non-frozen food for...... four? minutes???
Posted by: Blonde Morticia
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Assuming chilled, and 16 ozs. or so, half that.
You nuked a non-frozen food for...... four? minutes???
Posted by: Blonde Morticia
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Assuming chilled, and 16 ozs. or so, half that.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 28, 2020 12:26 PM (mLizQ)
512
Karen spoke with TIME's manager.
Posted by: Guy Smiley at May 28, 2020 12:26 PM (+7yf7)
513
"I know how to speak their language and not be an idiot. The first thing a cop does after he arrives is to look for the idiot who seems to be causing the most trouble, and focus his attention there."
Agree. And at night when I am pulled over, the first thing I do is turn on the interior lights and put both hands up on the steering wheel to make the stop easier on the approaching cop.
But we shouldn't need to be "cop whisperers" to stay alive.
Agree. And at night when I am pulled over, the first thing I do is turn on the interior lights and put both hands up on the steering wheel to make the stop easier on the approaching cop.
But we shouldn't need to be "cop whisperers" to stay alive.
Posted by: Fen at May 28, 2020 12:26 PM (TNHVJ)
514
Just leaving this here. 26 years in a big city police department, zero use of force complaints.
Goes back to PS4...
Goes back to PS4...
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at May 28, 2020 12:27 PM (AFSld)
515
It has become obvious that the law isn't being applied equally in America. Law enforcement and "justice" has become just another political tool. I no longer consent to be governed this way. The law enforcement community has lost my support.
Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at May 28, 2020 12:27 PM (qu1px)
516
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 28, 2020 12:17 PM (ysC0S)
My CC instructor told me that I have a license to carry, so I should carry. I never leave the house without my piece no matter where my destination is. Ya never know when the unthinkable might happen and you being the only person that might stop it.
My CC instructor was a cop.
My CC instructor told me that I have a license to carry, so I should carry. I never leave the house without my piece no matter where my destination is. Ya never know when the unthinkable might happen and you being the only person that might stop it.
My CC instructor was a cop.
Posted by: Sooner at May 28, 2020 12:28 PM (Fs5vw)
517
What the hell is a Time Magazine?
Posted by: ... at May 28, 2020 12:28 PM (t+mAj)
518
Who kneed the neck of the Morning Report?
Posted by: ... at May 28, 2020 12:26 PM (t+mAj)
Most importantly, all Cobs will get home safely to their families tonight.
Posted by: ... at May 28, 2020 12:26 PM (t+mAj)
Most importantly, all Cobs will get home safely to their families tonight.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 28, 2020 12:28 PM (hku12)
519
nood.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 28, 2020 12:28 PM (ZxG8D)
520
What the hell is a Time Magazine?
Posted by: ... at May 28, 2020 12:28 PM (t+mAj)
+++++++++++
It's a Newsweek that managed to survive somehow. An evolutionary aberration.
Posted by: ... at May 28, 2020 12:28 PM (t+mAj)
+++++++++++
It's a Newsweek that managed to survive somehow. An evolutionary aberration.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 28, 2020 12:28 PM (hYcqw)
521
Cops as a profession is similar to teachers - MOST of them are ok enough, but it also attracts the type most likely to abuse the power in the position
for teachers - it attracts child abusers
for leos - it attracts bullies
so if you don't have a structure, a process and most of all LEADERSHIP that guards against these abusers, they will infest the system
for teachers - it attracts child abusers
for leos - it attracts bullies
so if you don't have a structure, a process and most of all LEADERSHIP that guards against these abusers, they will infest the system
Posted by: vmom 2020 at May 28, 2020 12:29 PM (G546f)
522
Frankly, I treat the argument that "he was killed for selling cigarettes," or "no one should die for resisting arrest" as on a par with "he shouldn't be impeached for getting a blowjob by someone who was not his wife."
Yeah, there was more to it than that, but the soundbite is cute.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 28, 2020 12:24 PM (hku12)
So what did you think when the Somali cop shot and killed an innocent housewife who simply walked up to his car and asked for help? Did you really think "well we need to wait and see, it's possible she really deserved it."
Frankly, I treat the argument that "he was killed for selling cigarettes," or "no one should die for resisting arrest" as on a par with "he shouldn't be impeached for getting a blowjob by someone who was not his wife."
Yeah, there was more to it than that, but the soundbite is cute.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 28, 2020 12:24 PM (hku12)
So what did you think when the Somali cop shot and killed an innocent housewife who simply walked up to his car and asked for help? Did you really think "well we need to wait and see, it's possible she really deserved it."
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 28, 2020 12:29 PM (Kpl3J)
523
What I don't understand is that Floyd was handcuffed, why wasn't he in the back of the police cruiser? Is there some police reason I don't know?
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 28, 2020 12:29 PM (r+sAi)
524
One of the main issues is everything in life is illegal.
Maybe if I could fish without permission, sell cigarettes individually, drive with a tail light out, smoke a cigarette in a park, boat on the lake without a state sticker, download an MP3, etc, etc., police could spend more time dealing with bad guys.
But that ain't changing. Shit, it's illegal to pray at the moment.
One of the main issues is everything in life is illegal.
Maybe if I could fish without permission, sell cigarettes individually, drive with a tail light out, smoke a cigarette in a park, boat on the lake without a state sticker, download an MP3, etc, etc., police could spend more time dealing with bad guys.
But that ain't changing. Shit, it's illegal to pray at the moment.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at May 28, 2020 12:29 PM (QW9VZ)
525
This is one of the reasons I favor "community policing." Cops should live where they run their beat (whether on foot or on bike or in a car). They should know from real experience how things work. It doesn't have to be 100% (there is also a "good old boy" problem), but the majority of the cops in an area should live in the area.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 28, 2020 12:25 PM (hYcqw)
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Ia gree. The problem I see is the truly destitute and crime-ridden precincts, where there will be a dearth of applicants in the first place for the obvious reasons, and a talent pool which likely can't meet basic educational requirements in many cases.
Maybe recruit in adjacent precincts, but there are cities with seriously huge blight-and-crime zones. Think about NE St. Louis. Where do you find your "community" police in that sad-ass hellhole?
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 28, 2020 12:25 PM (hYcqw)
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Ia gree. The problem I see is the truly destitute and crime-ridden precincts, where there will be a dearth of applicants in the first place for the obvious reasons, and a talent pool which likely can't meet basic educational requirements in many cases.
Maybe recruit in adjacent precincts, but there are cities with seriously huge blight-and-crime zones. Think about NE St. Louis. Where do you find your "community" police in that sad-ass hellhole?
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 28, 2020 12:30 PM (h6CJG)
526
Just leaving this here. 26 years in a big city police department, zero use of force complaints.
Goes back to PS4...
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at May 28, 2020 12:27 PM (AFSld)
PS4? You call yourself an ex-cop gamer?
REAL ex-cop gamers play on PCs. Or their phones.
Download the latest World of Warcraft today! Everyone else is!!
Goes back to PS4...
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at May 28, 2020 12:27 PM (AFSld)
PS4? You call yourself an ex-cop gamer?
REAL ex-cop gamers play on PCs. Or their phones.
Download the latest World of Warcraft today! Everyone else is!!
Posted by: BurtTC at May 28, 2020 12:30 PM (hku12)
Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 28, 2020 12:30 PM (2DOZq)
528
441
Again, I have had a few interactions with police, and every time they are cautious but police and decent. They aren't monsters, they aren't killers, and they aren't an armed gang of thugs. Some cops are awful, some police forces are run by awful people (Portland, for instance) but the police themselves are just guys doing a job for the most part.
This is key to remember: police aren't a saintly calling, nothing about you changes when you put on the uniform. They don't become better or worse people with the badge. They arent strapping on Superman's cape or the devil's cloak.
They clock in, do their job, clock out and go home like the TV repair guy, the widget sorter on the conveyor line, the barrista, and the stock market trader. Its a JOB. Some people at work are lousy. Some are wonderful. The bosses and the atmosphere of the job make ahuge difference.
Compare the local suburban Chick Fil-A with the KFC in a slum. The jobs are basically the same, but the work atmosphere and the bosses, the place you work and who you deal with make a big difference as to attitude and how you behave toward customers.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 28, 2020 12:10 PM
This.
I think it helps to keep perspective if people (1) think in terms of individuals instead of in terms of groups --- the police, law enforcement, the left, conservatives, New Yorkers, Christians, etc. --- and (2) put themselves in the shoes of the individual and think 'what would I do if I were this person in this situation'.
I think the general thought is that the Left and Democrats like to group people together, but I don't see that as the case at all. Everyone, no matter the political persuasion, likes to generalize in terms of groups. And that's not healthy, because that makes it easy to dehumanize and speak in broad brush generalities.
On the day of the incident in Minneapolis, how many calls does one think were answered by police officers among every city among every state in the country? And how many of them went badly?
Let's say 50 states, 10 cities each state, 10 calls per city. That's 5,000 calls answered that day. Saying that 1 extremely bad incident among 5,000 during that day across the country casts the entire nation's law enforcement as bad is a ridiculous generalization.
That's the kind of generalization Governors are making for their shutdown orders when there might only be 1 death among 5,000 COVID-19 cases.
Again, I have had a few interactions with police, and every time they are cautious but police and decent. They aren't monsters, they aren't killers, and they aren't an armed gang of thugs. Some cops are awful, some police forces are run by awful people (Portland, for instance) but the police themselves are just guys doing a job for the most part.
This is key to remember: police aren't a saintly calling, nothing about you changes when you put on the uniform. They don't become better or worse people with the badge. They arent strapping on Superman's cape or the devil's cloak.
They clock in, do their job, clock out and go home like the TV repair guy, the widget sorter on the conveyor line, the barrista, and the stock market trader. Its a JOB. Some people at work are lousy. Some are wonderful. The bosses and the atmosphere of the job make ahuge difference.
Compare the local suburban Chick Fil-A with the KFC in a slum. The jobs are basically the same, but the work atmosphere and the bosses, the place you work and who you deal with make a big difference as to attitude and how you behave toward customers.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 28, 2020 12:10 PM
This.
I think it helps to keep perspective if people (1) think in terms of individuals instead of in terms of groups --- the police, law enforcement, the left, conservatives, New Yorkers, Christians, etc. --- and (2) put themselves in the shoes of the individual and think 'what would I do if I were this person in this situation'.
I think the general thought is that the Left and Democrats like to group people together, but I don't see that as the case at all. Everyone, no matter the political persuasion, likes to generalize in terms of groups. And that's not healthy, because that makes it easy to dehumanize and speak in broad brush generalities.
On the day of the incident in Minneapolis, how many calls does one think were answered by police officers among every city among every state in the country? And how many of them went badly?
Let's say 50 states, 10 cities each state, 10 calls per city. That's 5,000 calls answered that day. Saying that 1 extremely bad incident among 5,000 during that day across the country casts the entire nation's law enforcement as bad is a ridiculous generalization.
That's the kind of generalization Governors are making for their shutdown orders when there might only be 1 death among 5,000 COVID-19 cases.
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at May 28, 2020 12:31 PM (Do5/p)
529
523 What I don't understand is that Floyd was handcuffed, why wasn't he in the back of the police cruiser? Is there some police reason I don't know?
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 28, 2020 12:29 PM (r+sAi)
He wasn't dead yet.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 28, 2020 12:29 PM (r+sAi)
He wasn't dead yet.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 28, 2020 12:31 PM (Kpl3J)
530
My CC instructor told me that I have a license to carry, so I should carry. I never leave the house without my piece no matter where my destination is. Ya never know when the unthinkable might happen and you being the only person that might stop it.
My CC instructor was a cop.
Posted by: Sooner
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I'm on board with that, but I've a scrawny frame, and haven't been able to narrow things down to something
(carry+holster) that I can *comfortably* carry concealed.
I've been trying to resign myself to one of the compact .380's, but it just runs against my grain. I need to get over it.
My CC instructor was a cop.
Posted by: Sooner
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I'm on board with that, but I've a scrawny frame, and haven't been able to narrow things down to something
(carry+holster) that I can *comfortably* carry concealed.
I've been trying to resign myself to one of the compact .380's, but it just runs against my grain. I need to get over it.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 28, 2020 12:32 PM (mLizQ)
531
Fort Apache, The Bronx was filmed in 1981.
Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 28, 2020 12:32 PM (2DOZq)
532
Typical conservative using someone else's well-being as salve for your conscience. Cops have been militarized because negroes do what they always do rape, rob, murder, and act like animals. Then scream and cry and loot and burn when cops try to get them to behave like human beings. And instead of calling out the jogger behavior, conservatives bitch out and join the left to escape the worst thing ever, the label racist. Every conservative who jumps on this bandwagon is a moral coward and thus cuckservative. This has been happening since Civil Rights and even before, that's exactly why was segregation a good thing.
Posted by: mGrant at May 28, 2020 12:32 PM (YgTsl)
533
The looting will continue until the neighborhoods improve.
Posted by: Axeman at May 28, 2020 12:33 PM (Eicbe)
534
OT - The U.S. Supreme Court has given Illinois Gov. JB Pritzker until
Thursday night to respond to an appeal by two local churches for
emergency relief from his stay-at-home order over the coronavirus.
link?
Thursday night to respond to an appeal by two local churches for
emergency relief from his stay-at-home order over the coronavirus.
link?
Posted by: Methos at May 28, 2020 12:33 PM (kOpft)
535
458
The issue of heavy-handed police tactics doesn't appear in a vacuum. I'd say you can't address it without dealing with the factors which play into it, including:
--- Mentally Ill folks turned out onto the streets
--- Drugs which can turn people into violent nutjobs
--- Increasing concentrations of people into cities and high-density neighborhoods
--- Increasingly "diverse" communities without any common culture
Create an environment where you often see random, brutal violence, hostility towards law enforcement, and throw in a lot of corruption by law-makers and officials and it's not surprising that the average cop is a lot more twitchy and a lot-more likely to take an aggressive attitude, and that in turn probably attracts a more sadistic personality which looks for an excuse to exercise power.
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at May 28, 2020 12:14 PM
Well said.
The issue of heavy-handed police tactics doesn't appear in a vacuum. I'd say you can't address it without dealing with the factors which play into it, including:
--- Mentally Ill folks turned out onto the streets
--- Drugs which can turn people into violent nutjobs
--- Increasing concentrations of people into cities and high-density neighborhoods
--- Increasingly "diverse" communities without any common culture
Create an environment where you often see random, brutal violence, hostility towards law enforcement, and throw in a lot of corruption by law-makers and officials and it's not surprising that the average cop is a lot more twitchy and a lot-more likely to take an aggressive attitude, and that in turn probably attracts a more sadistic personality which looks for an excuse to exercise power.
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at May 28, 2020 12:14 PM
Well said.
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at May 28, 2020 12:33 PM (Do5/p)
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Frankly, I treat the argument that "he was killed for selling cigarettes," or "no one should die for resisting arrest" as on a par with "he shouldn't be impeached for getting a blowjob by someone who was not his wife."
Yeah, there was more to it than that, but the soundbite is cute.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 28, 2020 12:24 PM (hku12)
So what did you think when the Somali cop shot and killed an innocent housewife who simply walked up to his car and asked for help? Did you really think "well we need to wait and see, it's possible she really deserved it."
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 28, 2020 12:29 PM (Kpl3J)
I'm not familiar with that case, but yes, as a hypothetical, it's certainly possible there's some other information that wouldn't have been visible on a video.
Some cases are more easily resolved than others though, with much more obvious situations, with clearer conclusions. You know that.
Yeah, there was more to it than that, but the soundbite is cute.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 28, 2020 12:24 PM (hku12)
So what did you think when the Somali cop shot and killed an innocent housewife who simply walked up to his car and asked for help? Did you really think "well we need to wait and see, it's possible she really deserved it."
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 28, 2020 12:29 PM (Kpl3J)
I'm not familiar with that case, but yes, as a hypothetical, it's certainly possible there's some other information that wouldn't have been visible on a video.
Some cases are more easily resolved than others though, with much more obvious situations, with clearer conclusions. You know that.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 28, 2020 12:33 PM (hku12)
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One of the main issues is everything in life is illegal.
Maybe if I could fish without permission, sell cigarettes individually, drive with a tail light out, smoke a cigarette in a park, boat on the lake without a state sticker, download an MP3, etc, etc., police could spend more time dealing with bad guys.
But that ain't changing. Shit, it's illegal to pray at the moment.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger
It's safer to fuck with you than a bad guy.
Maybe if I could fish without permission, sell cigarettes individually, drive with a tail light out, smoke a cigarette in a park, boat on the lake without a state sticker, download an MP3, etc, etc., police could spend more time dealing with bad guys.
But that ain't changing. Shit, it's illegal to pray at the moment.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger
It's safer to fuck with you than a bad guy.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 28, 2020 12:33 PM (GvEen)
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What I don't understand is that Floyd was handcuffed, why wasn't he in the back of the police cruiser? Is there some police reason I don't know?
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 28, 2020 12:29 PM (r+sAi)
For some reason the Police Cruiser he was suppose to be put in was on the other side of the street? He was being walked there.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 28, 2020 12:29 PM (r+sAi)
For some reason the Police Cruiser he was suppose to be put in was on the other side of the street? He was being walked there.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 28, 2020 12:34 PM (nRk/c)
Posted by: FloridaMan at May 28, 2020 12:34 PM (MciqG)
540
If you are retired PD, I wish you could maybe speak about this new policy that prioritizes cop lives over civilian lives. Because in the Marines, we were expected to shield civilians with our bodies, and we lost some good men because we wouldn't risk civilian lives to save our own.
Posted by: Fen at May 28, 2020 12:04 PM (TNHVJ)
I'm sorry you got treated that way. Like any profession, there's good ones and bad ones. I have to admit that I myself sensed something different in the attitude of some of the young officers by the time I retired. When I was a Field Training Officer, I tried to instill the concept that "You get more cooperation with a kind word and gun, than with a gun alone." Some took that advice to heart and some didn't.
When a clusterf*ck like this hits the news, a lot of folks will pontificate that they Know How It Is and Fuq da Poh-lease (tm). They usually don't have the faintest clue: they just take one or two bad police contacts and extrapolate from there. I sincerely doubt that there is more police brutality now than 50 - 60 years ago here in the U.S.
Posted by: Fen at May 28, 2020 12:04 PM (TNHVJ)
I'm sorry you got treated that way. Like any profession, there's good ones and bad ones. I have to admit that I myself sensed something different in the attitude of some of the young officers by the time I retired. When I was a Field Training Officer, I tried to instill the concept that "You get more cooperation with a kind word and gun, than with a gun alone." Some took that advice to heart and some didn't.
When a clusterf*ck like this hits the news, a lot of folks will pontificate that they Know How It Is and Fuq da Poh-lease (tm). They usually don't have the faintest clue: they just take one or two bad police contacts and extrapolate from there. I sincerely doubt that there is more police brutality now than 50 - 60 years ago here in the U.S.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at May 28, 2020 12:34 PM (YQ4mh)
Posted by: thathalfrican - Clark Kent with the glasses off at May 28, 2020 12:35 PM (crOli)
542
Cops as a profession is similar to teachers - MOST of them are ok enough, but it also attracts the type most likely to abuse the power in the position
for teachers - it attracts child abusers
for leos - it attracts bullies
Excellent point, much better than my long-winded diatribe.
for teachers - it attracts child abusers
for leos - it attracts bullies
Excellent point, much better than my long-winded diatribe.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 28, 2020 12:35 PM (KZzsI)
543
532: go get fucked.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at May 28, 2020 12:36 PM (urcTH)
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 28, 2020 12:36 PM (h6CJG)
545
I'm on board with that, but I've a scrawny frame, and haven't been able to narrow things down to something
(carry+holster) that I can *comfortably* carry concealed.
I've been trying to resign myself to one of the compact .380's, but it just runs against my grain. I need to get over it.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 28, 2020 12:32 PM (mLizQ)
9mm or .45 M&P with an inside-the-belt holster.
(carry+holster) that I can *comfortably* carry concealed.
I've been trying to resign myself to one of the compact .380's, but it just runs against my grain. I need to get over it.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 28, 2020 12:32 PM (mLizQ)
9mm or .45 M&P with an inside-the-belt holster.
Posted by: Sooner at May 28, 2020 12:36 PM (Fs5vw)
546
We have a vile troll spittin in the soup
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 28, 2020 12:37 PM (nRk/c)
547
I've been trying to resign myself to one of the compact .380's, but it just runs against my grain. I need to get over it.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 28, 2020 12:32 PM (mLizQ)
9mm or .45 M&P with an inside-the-belt holster.
Posted by: Sooner
So glad we went to concealed or open carry. I'll carry concealed, but I'm not as anal about it as before.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 28, 2020 12:32 PM (mLizQ)
9mm or .45 M&P with an inside-the-belt holster.
Posted by: Sooner
So glad we went to concealed or open carry. I'll carry concealed, but I'm not as anal about it as before.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 28, 2020 12:39 PM (GvEen)
548
rhomboid,
I mean the whole mask versus non mask, opening versus closing, etc. etc. got a bit much.
When emotions drive the debate, reason exits.
I do post now and again on the weekend firearms post but haven't had an opportunity to go out to the range recently.
I mean the whole mask versus non mask, opening versus closing, etc. etc. got a bit much.
When emotions drive the debate, reason exits.
I do post now and again on the weekend firearms post but haven't had an opportunity to go out to the range recently.
Posted by: whig at May 28, 2020 12:41 PM (EUDB2)
549
Today's law enforcement has more accountability and less malfeasance than law enforcement 40-50 years ago. It will always require oversight and checks and balances. It's the nature of the beast. The danger is disparaging law enforcement so much that no good people will want to enter into the profession.
I laugh when the same people who talk about police overstepping their authority also comment that Antifa needs to have wood shampoos like in the 60's.
I say this as someone with 95% negative interaction with law enforcement .
Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here
The one cop who killed Andrew Finch in Wichita when 15 other cops saw no reason to fire saw no consequences. And the mans' family were dragged from their homes, over his body and "interviewed" withour legal representation. The useless cowards who stood by while 17 people dies in Parkland FL are getting their jobs back.
In 1975, the police fought three rape and kidnapping victims to establish that they have no obligation to do anything.
I laugh when the same people who talk about police overstepping their authority also comment that Antifa needs to have wood shampoos like in the 60's.
I say this as someone with 95% negative interaction with law enforcement .
Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here
The one cop who killed Andrew Finch in Wichita when 15 other cops saw no reason to fire saw no consequences. And the mans' family were dragged from their homes, over his body and "interviewed" withour legal representation. The useless cowards who stood by while 17 people dies in Parkland FL are getting their jobs back.
In 1975, the police fought three rape and kidnapping victims to establish that they have no obligation to do anything.
Posted by: Blue Hen at May 28, 2020 12:44 PM (3tPHY)
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So glad we went to concealed or open carry. I'll carry concealed, but I'm not as anal about it as before.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 28, 2020 12:39 PM (GvEen)
Yup. The reason I have the license is out-of-state reciprocation laws. Most don't recognize Constitutional carry.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 28, 2020 12:39 PM (GvEen)
Yup. The reason I have the license is out-of-state reciprocation laws. Most don't recognize Constitutional carry.
Posted by: Sooner at May 28, 2020 12:44 PM (Fs5vw)
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Stormfront is thataway, cocksucker.
Stormfront is thataway, cocksucker.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 28, 2020 12:45 PM (EGyGV)
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"Except ditch diggers, doctors, lawyers, dentists, etc aren't given badges, guns and arrest powers, indoctrinated on an "us versus them" mentality, and told the only thing that matters is that they get to go home safely at night."
Except that's absolutely not true. Police are repeatedly drilled about use of force and how they're civilly and criminal liable if they do it wrong. Escalate too quickly, you're life is destroyed; escalate too slowly, you're life gets ended. It's not as cut and dry and neat as so many of the armchair crime analysts here like to opine.
Except that's absolutely not true. Police are repeatedly drilled about use of force and how they're civilly and criminal liable if they do it wrong. Escalate too quickly, you're life is destroyed; escalate too slowly, you're life gets ended. It's not as cut and dry and neat as so many of the armchair crime analysts here like to opine.
Posted by: UGAdawg at May 28, 2020 12:45 PM (tRd71)
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unfortunate 'common wisdom' maintains minority population suffers disproportionately from LE excessive force.
Larry Elder has mentioned cops more likely to shoot white people, and cites his sources.
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That blunts the racism argument. But it doesn't really mean blacks should be less afraid of cops' propensity for violence so much as that whites should be more so.
Larry Elder has mentioned cops more likely to shoot white people, and cites his sources.
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That blunts the racism argument. But it doesn't really mean blacks should be less afraid of cops' propensity for violence so much as that whites should be more so.
Posted by: Methos at May 28, 2020 12:49 PM (kOpft)
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Rush: If George Floyd had passes a fake FISA warrant, he'd still be alive today.
Does anyone know for sure what started this mess? The story is that Floyd passed a fake $20 bill at some store, the clerk of which then called the cops on him, which started this chain of events.
Rush: If George Floyd had passes a fake FISA warrant, he'd still be alive today.
Does anyone know for sure what started this mess? The story is that Floyd passed a fake $20 bill at some store, the clerk of which then called the cops on him, which started this chain of events.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at May 28, 2020 12:51 PM (rCwaK)
555
Except that's absolutely not true. Police are repeatedly drilled about use of force and how they're civilly and criminal liable if they do it wrong. Escalate too quickly, you're life is destroyed; escalate too slowly, you're life gets ended. It's not as cut and dry and neat as so many of the armchair crime analysts here like to opine.
Posted by: UGAdawg
The cop who murdered Justine Damond was being advised by cops to shut up, while ALL of them played games with the cameras. His partner lied for him. The prosecutor had to wade through layers of lying and ass covering.
And the peasants watch cops lie and get away with it. But they are told to be servile when cops show up.
We already saw what happens when crises are either manufactured or or blown out of porportion. Homes being searched and people screamed at and threatened in Boston after the bombing. Survivors of school shooting being treated like the criminals, after the cops were too cowardly to fight the real shooter, or to even stop him from escaping.
And we are surprised when four thugs, none of whom are wearing masks, arrest a man playing basketball with his daughter?
Posted by: UGAdawg
The cop who murdered Justine Damond was being advised by cops to shut up, while ALL of them played games with the cameras. His partner lied for him. The prosecutor had to wade through layers of lying and ass covering.
And the peasants watch cops lie and get away with it. But they are told to be servile when cops show up.
We already saw what happens when crises are either manufactured or or blown out of porportion. Homes being searched and people screamed at and threatened in Boston after the bombing. Survivors of school shooting being treated like the criminals, after the cops were too cowardly to fight the real shooter, or to even stop him from escaping.
And we are surprised when four thugs, none of whom are wearing masks, arrest a man playing basketball with his daughter?
Posted by: Blue Hen at May 28, 2020 12:51 PM (3tPHY)
556
"Escalate too quickly, you're life is destroyed; escalate too slowly, you're life gets ended. It's not as cut and dry and neat as so many of the armchair crime analysts here like to opine."
It's not as hard as you make it out to be either.
And some of us "armchair experts" have been there, enforcing checkpoints and policing civilians in Somalia, under a much tighter ROE and under greater threat. We know what we are talking about. Escalate too quickly - Leavenworth prison; escalate too slowly - your life gets ended. Or worse, you have to explain to your best friend's wife how you got him killed.
It's not as hard as you make it out to be either.
And some of us "armchair experts" have been there, enforcing checkpoints and policing civilians in Somalia, under a much tighter ROE and under greater threat. We know what we are talking about. Escalate too quickly - Leavenworth prison; escalate too slowly - your life gets ended. Or worse, you have to explain to your best friend's wife how you got him killed.
Posted by: Fen at May 28, 2020 12:54 PM (TNHVJ)
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It's not as hard as you make it out to be either. "
Not what I'm saying. There are poorly trained police, and there are shitty human police; just like every other profession. But the general tone here of "cops are bullies and thugs who just care about going home at night" is simplistic bullshit. There are hundreds of thousands of officers that do their job like pros in a society that increasingly devalues what they do. But when someone who shoudn't be a cop like this guy in MN gets on the news, everyone decides that American police officers are the new Stasi.
Not what I'm saying. There are poorly trained police, and there are shitty human police; just like every other profession. But the general tone here of "cops are bullies and thugs who just care about going home at night" is simplistic bullshit. There are hundreds of thousands of officers that do their job like pros in a society that increasingly devalues what they do. But when someone who shoudn't be a cop like this guy in MN gets on the news, everyone decides that American police officers are the new Stasi.
Posted by: UGAdawg at May 28, 2020 12:58 PM (tRd71)
558
Inexplicable escalations:
Two examples of unnecessary fatal shootings in Virginia in recent years.
A teenager and friends leave a restaurant without paying; cop shoots the driver dead, says he was coming at him with the car.
A Costco lady giving out food samples starts acting strangely. Cops called, lady with knife moves toward police. Taser doesn't word. So, police shoot her dead.
Tell me the police couldn't find SOMETHING in Costco to fend off a knife-wielder.
Two examples of unnecessary fatal shootings in Virginia in recent years.
A teenager and friends leave a restaurant without paying; cop shoots the driver dead, says he was coming at him with the car.
A Costco lady giving out food samples starts acting strangely. Cops called, lady with knife moves toward police. Taser doesn't word. So, police shoot her dead.
Tell me the police couldn't find SOMETHING in Costco to fend off a knife-wielder.
Posted by: FloridaMan at May 28, 2020 12:59 PM (MciqG)
Posted by: WTF is this SHIT? at May 28, 2020 01:05 PM (yD0BM)
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"The penalty for resisting arrest should not be death."
CBD oil is completely misrepresenting the issue in the Floyd case. Floyd was not resisting. He was doing his best to comply. He was completely controlled. Officers were not struggling to control him.
Meanwhile our legal system suffers from an extreme over-tolerance for resisting arrest. Running from the police is actually incentivized by policies that require police to let fleeing felons go, and blacks who are shot while trying to murder police are consistently attack by very influential race activists and our radical leftist Democrat-run press as "police shoot another unarmed black man."
Police need MORE leeway to use force against resisters. Allowing that requires police to back off of force when arrestees are trying to comply. The Floyd case is an extreme example of failure/refusal to do that.
CBD oil is completely misrepresenting the issue in the Floyd case. Floyd was not resisting. He was doing his best to comply. He was completely controlled. Officers were not struggling to control him.
Meanwhile our legal system suffers from an extreme over-tolerance for resisting arrest. Running from the police is actually incentivized by policies that require police to let fleeing felons go, and blacks who are shot while trying to murder police are consistently attack by very influential race activists and our radical leftist Democrat-run press as "police shoot another unarmed black man."
Police need MORE leeway to use force against resisters. Allowing that requires police to back off of force when arrestees are trying to comply. The Floyd case is an extreme example of failure/refusal to do that.
Posted by: Alec Rawls at May 28, 2020 01:16 PM (wh9C3)
561
How many bruises are acceptable before deadly force is authorized?
Is having both legs broken by the suspect acceptable bruises?
Maybe each policeman should endure each restraining position to understand exactly what pain they're doing to their target.
Maybe more focus on de-escalation.
Is having both legs broken by the suspect acceptable bruises?
Maybe each policeman should endure each restraining position to understand exactly what pain they're doing to their target.
Maybe more focus on de-escalation.
Posted by: Eric at May 28, 2020 01:21 PM (CcbdU)
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Take army equipment away and give them BB guns see what happens,AND weed the bad asses out from day ONE at COP SKOOL (IQ above 100 minimum..no shitty school problems or probations) before you badge them and check them often on a 2 year probation ,the BIG BRASS TOO ...........
same toughness goes for the Vibrants/Protestors who are merely thugs,crooks and arsonist writ large time to choke THEM off at the pass. PUSSY POLS disagree,they cryin crocodile tears and following the scripted Hymnal..............sadz times.
same toughness goes for the Vibrants/Protestors who are merely thugs,crooks and arsonist writ large time to choke THEM off at the pass. PUSSY POLS disagree,they cryin crocodile tears and following the scripted Hymnal..............sadz times.
Posted by: saf at May 28, 2020 01:31 PM (5IHGB)
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My father after he retired ran a vending machine business for a few years. He ended up getting quite a few counterfeit bills.
For him it was just pure loss unit a bank clerk called the police on him.
The situation was diffused quickly but my father was humiliated. He sold his business and changed banks with in a month.
For him it was just pure loss unit a bank clerk called the police on him.
The situation was diffused quickly but my father was humiliated. He sold his business and changed banks with in a month.
Posted by: Big V Caffeinated at May 28, 2020 01:35 PM (eMtQa)
564
Folks handing out Costco food samples should be shot,some are tasty and make me fat and Buy 20 lbs of Vienna Sausages..................single servings she said.
Posted by: saf at May 28, 2020 01:41 PM (5IHGB)
565
Gonna post some test comments here -- sorry!:
Turns out the at least half the country (and probably many more people) were (and remain) already immune to the new coronavirus, because it's so similar to the common cold virus that if you've ever had a cold (the old coronavirus), there's a good chance you're immune to the new coronavirus:
https://www.conservativereview.com/news/ horowitz-bombshell-study-half-uninfected-population- already-partially-immune/
Bombshell study: Could half the uninfected population already be partially immune?
Turns out the at least half the country (and probably many more people) were (and remain) already immune to the new coronavirus, because it's so similar to the common cold virus that if you've ever had a cold (the old coronavirus), there's a good chance you're immune to the new coronavirus:
https://www.conservativereview.com/news/ horowitz-bombshell-study-half-uninfected-population- already-partially-immune/
Bombshell study: Could half the uninfected population already be partially immune?
Posted by: zombie at May 28, 2020 01:59 PM (N9G0H)
566
Could nearly half the population not already infected with SARS-CoV-2 be immune to it from having already contracted other forms of coronavirus in recent years?
That is one implication of a major study conducted by over a dozen researchers from several microbiology and immunology institutions in the U.S.
...
That is one implication of a major study conducted by over a dozen researchers from several microbiology and immunology institutions in the U.S.
...
Posted by: zombie at May 28, 2020 01:59 PM (N9G0H)
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Until now, the assumption was that only those with IgG or IgM antibodies can be immune because they are the ones who have already contracted the disease. However, this study examined the cellular defenses that are created in the body and have been proven to serve as a defense against SARS-CoV-2, then discovered them among 40%-60% of their samples not infected with SARS-CoV-2.
Posted by: zombie at May 28, 2020 01:59 PM (N9G0H)
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In order to prove the efficacy of these T cells developed in the recovered population, the researchers exposed immune cells from 10 recovered patients to the virus. They found those cells effectively fight the virus. 100% of the samples of 20 donors contained "helper" T cells, known as CD4+, and 70 percent contained killer T cells, known as CD8+, which directly kill the viral cells. Then they discovered "SARS-CoV-2-reactive CD4+ T cells in ~40-60% of unexposed individuals, suggesting cross-reactive T cell recognition between circulating 'common cold' coronaviruses and SARS-CoV-2."
In order to prove the efficacy of these T cells developed in the recovered population, the researchers exposed immune cells from 10 recovered patients to the virus. They found those cells effectively fight the virus. 100% of the samples of 20 donors contained "helper" T cells, known as CD4+, and 70 percent contained killer T cells, known as CD8+, which directly kill the viral cells. Then they discovered "SARS-CoV-2-reactive CD4+ T cells in ~40-60% of unexposed individuals, suggesting cross-reactive T cell recognition between circulating 'common cold' coronaviruses and SARS-CoV-2."
Posted by: zombie at May 28, 2020 02:00 PM (N9G0H)
569
It is oftentimes impossible to be hired as a police officer without being a veteran; this is one of the issues with certain veteran's preferences, which is mandated by state law giving ex-military a near lock on police positions.
Posted by: Robert J Sabatini at May 28, 2020 05:21 PM (eA8yd)
570
This is not an attempt to excuse anything.
This is an attempt to explain something.
Why would the perpetrator keep kneeling on the victim's neck after the victim was subdued and bystanders were yelling to stop?
Because the bystanders were yelling to stop.
Doing so was saying that he was doing his "job" in an incompetent manner.
How do you feel when some bystander starts shouting at you, telling you how incompetent you are?
How do you react in such circumstances?
How does someone with low self-esteem or related issues feel and react?
How would someone with an authority complex feel and react?
Looking at the videos, there seems to be a significant element of "Why you picking on me?" from the victim, resulting in a bit of initial resistance, or at least less-than-perfect compliance, then a bunch of, "Why you not respecting mah authoritah?" from the perpetrator during the questioning. (And possibly during the application of the restraints, the video does not show that well enough.)
And then the victim is picked up, led across the street, and somewhere before he can be put in the back of a patrol car, the perpetrator loses control of the handcuffed victim? And has to put him on the ground?
I am pretty sure the perpetrator already knows how incompetent he is at that point. Having a crowd screaming at him that his incompetence is becoming lethal is going to aggravate him further, to the point that serious injury or death was rather inevitable.
Compounded if the perpetrator is truly that incompetent in controlling someone and using force to subdue them.
I repeat, this is not an attempt to excuse the behavior, but explain how and why it would occur.
Nor is this any attempt to shift blame.
It is just an answer to how that situation could get out of control like that.
This is an attempt to explain something.
Why would the perpetrator keep kneeling on the victim's neck after the victim was subdued and bystanders were yelling to stop?
Because the bystanders were yelling to stop.
Doing so was saying that he was doing his "job" in an incompetent manner.
How do you feel when some bystander starts shouting at you, telling you how incompetent you are?
How do you react in such circumstances?
How does someone with low self-esteem or related issues feel and react?
How would someone with an authority complex feel and react?
Looking at the videos, there seems to be a significant element of "Why you picking on me?" from the victim, resulting in a bit of initial resistance, or at least less-than-perfect compliance, then a bunch of, "Why you not respecting mah authoritah?" from the perpetrator during the questioning. (And possibly during the application of the restraints, the video does not show that well enough.)
And then the victim is picked up, led across the street, and somewhere before he can be put in the back of a patrol car, the perpetrator loses control of the handcuffed victim? And has to put him on the ground?
I am pretty sure the perpetrator already knows how incompetent he is at that point. Having a crowd screaming at him that his incompetence is becoming lethal is going to aggravate him further, to the point that serious injury or death was rather inevitable.
Compounded if the perpetrator is truly that incompetent in controlling someone and using force to subdue them.
I repeat, this is not an attempt to excuse the behavior, but explain how and why it would occur.
Nor is this any attempt to shift blame.
It is just an answer to how that situation could get out of control like that.
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When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool
What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means
Wonkette's Stand-Up Act
Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour
Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider
My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)
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